| 00:00.03 | valdyn | confuzed_newb: that has nothing to do with 'mpeg accel' and its supported by the radeon driver |
| 00:00.04 | eeyore- | confuzed_newb: let me see |
| 00:00.17 | eeyore- | confuzed_newb: i got "the grudge" dvd here, let me play it in mplayer and tell you the cpu load :) |
| 00:00.25 | confuzed_newb | thanks |
| 00:00.33 | p8m | xiph is a project |
| 00:00.39 | DeVeRaS | cof cof... i manage to make the digital camara to talk to the pc. I can get the pictures. i just can't manage the web cam. Ideas? |
| 00:01.23 | cheal | hum... "A market-speak summary of the Xiph.Org Foundation might read something like: "Xiph.Org is a collection of open source, multimedia-related projects." but ogg is not *only* a project...like debian |
| 00:01.44 | amphi | confuzed_newb: IIRC mplayer fullscreen on my laptop with xorg radeon driver is < 5% cpu |
| 00:01.58 | cheal | dpkg: xiph is also #xiph |
| 00:01.58 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
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| 00:02.36 | azeem | w 23 |
| 00:02.39 | azeem | bah, sorry |
| 00:02.53 | confuzed_newb | sounds accelerated to me |
| 00:03.11 | confuzed_newb | I'll try the xorg driver |
| 00:03.24 | amphi | confuzed_newb: yeah - 3d accel works too - celestia runs pretty well |
| 00:03.25 | eeyore- | confuzed_newb: mplayer playing the movie takes around 10% or so, load is below 1 |
| 00:03.39 | eeyore- | confuzed_newb: it's a pentium m with 512mb ram |
| 00:04.27 | eeyore- | confuzed_newb: 1400x1050-24@60 |
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| 00:05.09 | valdyn | its ~50% if you dont use xv |
| 00:05.20 | valdyn | maybe more at that resolution fs |
| 00:06.10 | confuzed_newb | ok... so it looks like it's accelerated with the xorg driver then... perhaps that's the answer |
| 00:06.17 | amphi | valdyn: yeah, sw scaling is heavy work ;) |
| 00:06.34 | confuzed_newb | what's the route to take to switch away from fglrx |
| 00:06.44 | valdyn | !drxx confuzed_newb |
| 00:06.44 | dpkg | confuzed_newb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:07.02 | eeyore- | confuzed_newb: using x11 output, it's creeping up to > 36% |
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| 00:07.52 | confuzed_newb | should I just change the xorg.conf... or do I need to remove the module too? |
| 00:08.06 | amphi | valdyn: I think flgrx installs its own mesa libs or summat as well |
| 00:08.09 | eeyore- | have a good weekend everyone |
| 00:08.18 | confuzed_newb | thanks eeyore.. you too |
| 00:08.36 | amphi | confuzed_newb: did you make a deb from fglrx and install it? |
| 00:08.41 | confuzed_newb | yep |
| 00:08.43 | valdyn | amphi: its own libGL yea |
| 00:08.44 | confuzed_newb | forgot about that |
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| 00:08.59 | confuzed_newb | I can just remove them and update my xorg.conf |
| 00:09.08 | valdyn | confuzed_newb: modprobe -r the module, remove the fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel package |
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| 00:09.39 | basti_ | uhm... is anything wrong with unstable? I keep getting security warnings, something about the authorisation not being right |
| 00:09.56 | valdyn | basti_: when doing what? |
| 00:10.03 | amphi | confuzed_newb: you might want to reinstall the xorg gl libs afterwards |
| 00:10.08 | thingfish | what? anything wrong with unstable? |
| 00:10.16 | thingfish | lord |
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| 00:10.28 | cheal | hah |
| 00:10.29 | basti_ | valdyn: during apt-get or aptitude installings |
| 00:10.44 | thingfish | I mean, come on. |
| 00:10.52 | valdyn | basti_: paste the error somewhere ( not right here ) |
| 00:10.56 | basti_ | k |
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| 00:12.25 | SupIAmMike | apt-get install emacs and apt-get install xemacs doesnt work |
| 00:12.29 | SupIAmMike | how do you install packages? |
| 00:12.33 | basti_ | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/372473 |
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| 00:12.52 | basti_ | SupIAmMike: try emacs21 as a package name? |
| 00:12.54 | valdyn | SupIAmMike: 'doesnt work' is about the worst possible info you could give us |
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| 00:13.27 | SupIAmMike | well it says its an old name or something |
| 00:13.31 | SupIAmMike | basti - thanks that worked |
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| 00:13.39 | basti_ | SupIAmMike: no prob mate... |
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| 00:15.05 | valdyn | basti_: its new that apt-get tries to verify the correctness of packages, this might fix itself if you jsut apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, ( for *official* sources ), no idea how to directly fix it |
| 00:15.26 | basti_ | its not a problem of "i got a problem please fix" anyway |
| 00:15.36 | basti_ | its rather a problem of "hey guys, this might disturb people" |
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| 00:16.20 | basti_ | i can override it manually, opposed to the numerous versioning conflicts which seem to happen all the time and about which noone really cares about. |
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| 00:16.53 | valdyn | basti_: /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg contains the trusted keys.. ( or should contain even ) |
| 00:17.04 | jcurry | i am trying to compile beagle 0.1.0 under debian sid, but i get this error: "checking for gtk-sharp-2.0 glade-sharp-2.0 gecko-sharp-2.0 gnome-sharp-2.0 gconf-sharp-2.0 gmime-sharp >= 2.1.16... Package gecko-sharp-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path"...i followed all the directions in the wiki under debian, except for gmime...it looks like that last update is not true, since sid's gmime *is* 2.6.16, as required for beagle 0.1.0...i have i |
| 00:17.04 | jcurry | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:18.20 | basti_ | valdyn: apparently, it does. the problem is that mine and the servers' don't match |
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| 00:18.52 | valdyn | basti_: so it would be just your mirror that is broken? mine works.. |
| 00:18.58 | basti_ | prolly |
| 00:19.00 | basti_ | thought so to |
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| 00:19.01 | basti_ | o |
| 00:19.03 | basti_ | but wtf? |
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| 00:22.04 | valdyn | jcurry: why are you trying to compile it yourself? |
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| 00:25.56 | sward | jcurry: There are reasons packages are not yet available for Debian, one is that they don't work without excessive modification, thanks for the proof! :) |
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| 00:26.57 | LightVision | i created a bootable CD with grub menu. But what do I need to add to my bootable CD to also have an option to jump into CLI? |
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| 00:27.48 | valdyn | LightVision: download and burn knoppix? |
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| 00:29.25 | LightVision | valdyn: cant, usong modem, and besides, I wanted to create my own with my current grub menu |
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| 00:29.46 | pmcdonnell | Is there a way to see all of the commands that have been run in the past few days by a given user? |
| 00:29.51 | Xenguy | Hi - I want to run a 1-line command after every time this laptop boots. Is /etc/init.d/skeleton the best place to start? |
| 00:30.14 | valdyn | !rclocal |
| 00:30.14 | welson | pmcdonnell, depending on the shell |
| 00:30.29 | valdyn | Xenguy: yea |
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| 00:31.03 | welson | pmcdonnell, and isn't that unethical? |
| 00:31.04 | pmcdonnell | welson, I checked .bash_history, but it only shows commands run from a certain tty/virtual console |
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| 00:31.12 | pmcdonnell | welson, not when I'm the user in question |
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| 00:31.30 | Xenguy | valdyn: I notice that 'skeleton' assumes the commands are 'daemon' oriented, so I guess I should just ignore that, drop in my line, then use update-rc.d ? |
| 00:31.41 | SuperNinjaKitty | Hello everyone |
| 00:32.16 | sward | valdyn: !rc.local :) |
| 00:32.17 | valdyn | Xenguy: if with daemon oriented you mean that there is a lot of stuff that you dont need, yea, right |
| 00:32.28 | Xenguy | valdyn: OK |
| 00:32.49 | welson | pmcdonnell, if you grep <usrname> /etc/passwd, it'll say the default shell for that usr |
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| 00:33.01 | pmcdonnell | welson, its bash |
| 00:33.13 | welson | pmcdonnell, if you ps, it should list bash |
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| 00:34.16 | Xenguy | valdyn: thanks, I'll give that a shot (never needed to do it before) |
| 00:34.23 | pmcdonnell | welson, I know - I am wanting to know if I can find a list of commands that that user had run from the past day or so. .bash_history seems to only give commands from a single virtual console (not the one I need0 |
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| 00:36.31 | SuperNinjaKitty | hsa anyone seen a difference running xorg vs xfree? |
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| 00:37.20 | welson | pmcdonnell, you can chat with #bash, you can also try other things like what args were passed and what's switches are on.. |
| 00:37.31 | pmcdonnell | ok, thanks |
| 00:37.39 | sward | SuperNinjaKitty: Except for a (crashing) experiment with the composite extension, no, and do you really want 690+ people to answer your poll? |
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| 00:38.21 | SuperNinjaKitty | sward i would like just one informed opinion thanks |
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| 00:39.15 | valdyn | SuperNinjaKitty: if you have one working, keep it, there's no different for most users |
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| 00:42.12 | thingfish | ooh, now *that* language, I don't recognize. |
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| 00:42.48 | thingfish | god I love trance... |
| 00:43.05 | thingfish | and pot, and Debian... |
| 00:43.05 | mikael_ | hello |
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| 00:47.36 | thingfish | hello, mikael_, I hope you're not looking for serious help here tonight, as it's Friday night and we're all pretty fucked up. |
| 00:48.54 | delirium | hello, I have a problem with my touchpad. You see, I switched from Xfree86 to Xorg, having to remove the synaptics driver (xfree86-driver-synaptics). My touchpad works fine in Xorg, except it taps double. I have already looked at the touchpad configuration in the KDE Control Center, but there's nothing there about double tapping |
| 00:50.15 | sward | thingfish: It is true, but are you trying to scare people? :) |
| 00:50.22 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:50.40 | thingfish | no, certainly not. I want a big love-in. |
| 00:51.05 | sward | Awww, group hug everyone! |
| 00:51.19 | thingfish | <blushes> |
| 00:51.45 | delirium | man, #debian is weird friday nights |
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| 00:52.19 | thingfish | it's only weird when I've had plenty to drink. or at least, that's when I best contribute to it. |
| 00:52.24 | sward | delirium: How long did it take you to work that one out? |
| 00:52.31 | Mxyzpltk | delirium: see if you have two or more "mouse" definitions in your config, leave just one if you find more than one |
| 00:52.38 | delirium | sward : about 2 minutes :p |
| 00:52.45 | SuperNinjaKitty | can i use synaptic to install the 2.6.12 kernel? |
| 00:53.02 | sward | I think we need to try harder! |
| 00:53.04 | thingfish | yes, but there are caveats. |
| 00:53.11 | delirium | 2.6.12, is it out already ? |
| 00:53.18 | thingfish | yay-es |
| 00:53.20 | sward | thingfish: There are? |
| 00:53.20 | SuperNinjaKitty | i heard it was |
| 00:53.29 | thingfish | there's a name change |
| 00:53.34 | delirium | great, I'm still stuck on 2.6.11 |
| 00:53.36 | sward | delirium: In testing and up |
| 00:53.51 | thingfish | it's not called kernel-image anymore, it's called linux-image. |
| 00:54.06 | SuperNinjaKitty | i am using etch but cant seem to find it in synaptic |
| 00:54.06 | thingfish | higher than 2.6.11 |
| 00:54.23 | SuperNinjaKitty | that would explain alot |
| 00:54.25 | delirium | linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 00:54.27 | thingfish | I don't know if there's anything higher than 2.6.11 in etch. |
| 00:54.30 | thingfish | lemme look |
| 00:54.52 | delirium | it's there, must be quite recent, I checked for 2.6.12 not so long ago |
| 00:54.57 | delirium | wasn't there |
| 00:55.45 | thingfish | maybe it's in unstable, then, kernels higher than 2.6.11. |
| 00:55.52 | delirium | Mxyzpltk : I only have one mouse definition left, I had 2 before, but because I deleted the synaptics driver, it could't X anyw |
| 00:56.00 | thingfish | someone on broadband will have to check; I can't. |
| 00:56.14 | delirium | it's there in testing |
| 00:57.11 | SuperNinjaKitty | thingfish 2.6.12 is there for etch |
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| 00:57.39 | thingfish | ok, well good to know, thanks, SuperNinjaKitty |
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| 00:58.09 | thingfish | SuperNinjaKitty: but what's it called? |
| 00:58.19 | delirium | ah screw it, I don't know why I should upgrade to 2.6.12, my 2.6.11 works just fine, so not in the mood for it |
| 00:58.24 | thingfish | kernel-image, or linux-image? |
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| 00:58.33 | delirium | linux-image |
| 00:58.37 | SuperNinjaKitty | yep |
| 00:58.43 | sward | Yep, definitely there, but I obviously don't know enough about dpkg (bot) to ask him the right questions |
| 00:58.56 | sward | thingfish: linux-image in etch |
| 00:58.57 | thingfish | thank you, delirium. |
| 00:59.12 | thingfish | I thought it started to mix in etch. |
| 00:59.20 | swatikiss | sward: has kernel-image "moved" to linux-image ? |
| 00:59.24 | delirium | thingfish : you're welcome :p |
| 00:59.38 | sward | swatikiss: In Etch and Sid, yes |
| 01:00.01 | swatikiss | sward: btw, do you know what happened with the nvidia kernel driver with those images? |
| 01:00.13 | SuperNinjaKitty | now all i need is openoffice2 |
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| 01:00.26 | sward | swatikiss: No, because mine works |
| 01:00.41 | delirium | OoO 2.0 is taking so fucking long, what the hell are they doing ? still bugfixing ? |
| 01:00.59 | swatikiss | sward: you mean you have the nvidia drivers from debian? |
| 01:01.07 | sward | swatikiss: The kernel-image packages should still be available |
| 01:01.11 | swatikiss | ...the debs |
| 01:01.14 | sward | swatikiss: Yes |
| 01:01.24 | SuperNinjaKitty | delirium i used it in that quirky OS from Redmond and it seemed very nice |
| 01:01.31 | thingfish | gosh, I'm doing good tonight. I've managed to drive away one suicidal person, and one fundamentalist born again former alcoholic christian. |
| 01:01.36 | swatikiss | yes - so the nvidia debs work with the kernel-image and not the linux-image? |
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| 01:02.15 | thingfish | and all just by being me. :) |
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| 01:02.50 | sward | swatikiss: I'm using them with linux-image-2.6.12-k7-<something> |
| 01:02.56 | delirium | SuperNinjaKitty : I heard the 2.0 beta was already quite stable, should be fine, but I rather wait till it comes out of beta, there might still be quite some bugs |
| 01:03.25 | sward | ii linux-image-2. 2.6.12-7 Linux kernel 2.6 image on AMD K7 machines |
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| 01:03.33 | swatikiss | sward: and the nvidia debs work with that image? |
| 01:03.34 | SuperNinjaKitty | delirium i will wait till it is available in a repository |
| 01:04.13 | sward | swatikiss: I have seen no problems, I don't exactly push it, but I play Enemy Territory some times |
| 01:05.06 | delirium | SuperNinjaKitty : yeah me too, I'm not going to mess around, well maybe try it in VMware, but I takes so long to download, I'm on smallband for 2 weeks already |
| 01:05.14 | sward | $ lspci | grep VGA\n0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 200] (rev a3) # that is Asus V8200-T2 (GeForce3 Ti200) |
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| 01:06.42 | SuperNinjaKitty | ahhh |
| 01:06.47 | swatikiss | sward: heh, i should try to install that linux-image.... right now my system is broken - udev wants to install but requires a higher kernel version |
| 01:06.57 | SuperNinjaKitty | i downloaded the kernel as we were chatting |
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| 01:07.15 | sward | swatikiss: If you don't fancy upgrading, hold udev |
| 01:07.44 | swatikiss | sward: can i tell my system to hold it back? |
| 01:07.59 | sward | swatikiss: In aptitude (and IIRC dselect) press = on the highlighted package |
| 01:08.57 | swatikiss | sward i've never used either.. i just do apt-get,etc.. but i believe there is an option there.. |
| 01:09.05 | SuperNinjaKitty | delirium what window manager do you use? |
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| 01:09.40 | delirium | SuperNinjaKitty : KDE |
| 01:10.18 | SuperNinjaKitty | i se KDE and XFCE |
| 01:10.23 | SuperNinjaKitty | use too |
| 01:10.32 | sward | swatikiss: You _could_ pin it, but I'm sure there's a nicer way, I just don't know what it is (other than using aptitude) |
| 01:10.49 | delirium | SuperNinjaKitty : I hardly ever use Gnome, I usely just stick to KDE, I like it |
| 01:10.59 | sward | swatikiss: Let me know about it :) |
| 01:11.17 | resiak | SuperNinjaKitty, delirium: Neither of you have mentioned any window managers yet.</pedant> |
| 01:11.33 | SuperNinjaKitty | i like KDE just fine, i like xfce amybe a little more |
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| 01:11.40 | sward | resiak: \o/ |
| 01:11.44 | delirium | resiak : and what are window managers then according to you ? |
| 01:11.45 | sward | pedant! |
| 01:11.45 | resiak | sward: :) |
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| 01:11.53 | resiak | delirium: kwm, metacity, xfwm4 |
| 01:11.58 | SuperNinjaKitty | resiak yeah but we know what we are talking about :) |
| 01:12.09 | resiak | delirium: (for kde, gnome and xfce4 respectively.) |
| 01:12.44 | delirium | resiak : smartass |
| 01:12.49 | sward | I have to agree though, sadly |
| 01:13.12 | deadcat | is there a way to read my SIM card from the cellphone? i bet its xml format (= |
| 01:13.44 | sward | If you can read it at all that would be a start.. |
| 01:14.13 | delirium | you can hook up your cell phone to the computer and read info off your SIM card |
| 01:14.14 | deadcat | sward: oh. damn i thought it is just xml file. since its all name and phone #.. |
| 01:14.25 | delirium | I've done it in windows once |
| 01:14.26 | deadcat | delirium: software? |
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| 01:14.36 | resiak | deadcat: Why does that imply XML?! |
| 01:15.06 | delirium | deadcat : I dont' know for linux, but if you have a Nokia there was something called gnokii or something |
| 01:15.13 | deadcat | resiak: because it wont even let me add address to a person, only phone#.. thats crappy format.. therefore XML (= |
| 01:15.18 | resiak | :/ |
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| 01:15.30 | resiak | !info gnokii |
| 01:15.36 | dpkg | gnokii: (Datasuite for the mobile phones (console & X)), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.6.8-0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 1151 kB, Installed size: 3864 kB |
| 01:15.40 | sward | Aye, you'll be needing some software. Whether it's XML or not, it doesn't matter, you just need to be able to translate it to something useful |
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| 01:16.11 | delirium | I don't know what format, but communicating with your phone goes trough simple modem commands |
| 01:16.21 | delirium | can differ depending on the brand |
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| 01:16.28 | sward | that also depends.. |
| 01:16.42 | deadcat | i see. i just cant stand pressing someone's name to the number.. |
| 01:17.15 | Idiot | I have libqt3-dev, but Fung-Calc refuses to configure. |
| 01:17.45 | Idiot | Configure terminates with "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found." |
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| 01:18.09 | delirium | Idiot : I had that error ones |
| 01:18.10 | Idiot | When I look at config.log, it complains about qglobal.h missing. But I have qglobal.h@ |
| 01:19.03 | delirium | Idiot : Are you compiling Fung-Calc yourself ? |
| 01:19.19 | Idiot | I tried adding /usr/include/qt3 to $PATH even. |
| 01:19.22 | Idiot | I am. |
| 01:19.41 | Idiot | I couldn't find a Fung-Calc package for Debian PPC> |
| 01:20.18 | sward | Idiot: I seem to recall something about a QT path.. maybe you have to set that (of course, I may be completely off) |
| 01:20.35 | sward | sorry.. |
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| 01:21.12 | delirium | Idiot : I also think it's a path issue, you sure qt is installed in /usr/include/qt3 ? |
| 01:21.28 | sward | QT path = some QT home dir |
| 01:21.37 | Idiot | Yes, I am. |
| 01:21.42 | delirium | you can also include the path for the libraries and headers as a compile argument |
| 01:21.47 | delirium | --prefix something |
| 01:21.52 | Idiot | I see the headers in /usr/include/qt3. |
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| 01:22.05 | nkuttler | Idiot: doesn't ./configure --help tell you what environment variable to set? |
| 01:22.11 | Idiot | Yeah. |
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| 01:22.19 | linuox | I am using xfree 3,3,6 it only has to driver for my plate of video sis 6215c when I try to execute XF86Setup of the this The error I program is running on different virtual Please terminal switch you the correct virtual terminal I any I help me to correct this error |
| 01:22.20 | Idiot | I tried a few things. |
| 01:22.29 | Idiot | I didn't see anything about setting the QT path. |
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| 01:23.01 | sward | try a test.. echo "#include <some-qt-header.h>" > weee && gcc weee |
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| 01:24.13 | Idiot | Ah. |
| 01:24.17 | delirium | Idiot : maybe it's /usr/share/qt3/ and /usr/share/qt3/lib |
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| 01:24.20 | Idiot | It can't ind qglobal.h then. |
| 01:24.46 | sward | Idiot: and qglobal.h existsL |
| 01:25.02 | sward | s/L/\?/ |
| 01:25.14 | Idiot | qglobal.h exists in /usr/include/qt3 |
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| 01:25.55 | delirium | Idiot : try "export QTDIR=/usr/include/qt3" |
| 01:26.20 | sward | It still suggests that /usr/include/qt3 is not in the include path.. or try what delirium said |
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| 01:26.42 | Idiot | Hmm. |
| 01:26.51 | Idiot | It took longer this time. |
| 01:27.09 | sward | That *could* be a good sigt |
| 01:27.24 | sward | s/sigt/sign/ |
| 01:27.30 | delirium | Idiot : if you don't get errors, I should have worked |
| 01:27.51 | Idiot | It still was missing something. |
| 01:28.06 | delirium | define something :p |
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| 01:28.37 | Idiot | I don't know. |
| 01:28.43 | delirium | me either :p |
| 01:28.55 | Idiot | Configure still terminates with "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found." |
| 01:28.59 | delirium | help really sucks on friday night :s |
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| 01:29.03 | Idiot | But it isn't missing the headers now. |
| 01:29.08 | vick | How can i configure gdm to allow put 'fluxbox' in those sessions it have ? |
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| 01:29.45 | sward | delirium: I thought "help really blows".. are we contradicting? :P |
| 01:30.03 | delirium | Idiot : maybe still can't find the libraries |
| 01:30.08 | delirium | sward : lol |
| 01:30.29 | SuperNinjaKitty | vick how did you install fluxbox? |
| 01:30.31 | delirium | Idiot : the libraries are not in /usr/include/qt3 |
| 01:30.44 | vick | SuperNinjaKitty, source. |
| 01:31.23 | sward | vick: WHY?! |
| 01:31.33 | SupIAmMike | what package do i need to apt-get install to get /sbin/iwconfig to work? |
| 01:31.35 | sward | !find fluxbox sarge |
| 01:31.39 | delirium | Idiot : maybe try the /usr/share/qt3 path, it has subdirs to include (headers) and lib (libraries), I think |
| 01:31.41 | SuperNinjaKitty | i installed Fluxbox using apt-get and it was auto added |
| 01:31.54 | vick | using gdm ? |
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| 01:32.42 | sward | vick: I use it with gdm, but I have a custom ~/.xsession |
| 01:32.57 | Idiot | There, I got it to configure. |
| 01:32.57 | SuperNinjaKitty | vick yeah |
| 01:33.02 | Idiot | Thanks for the help. |
| 01:33.17 | Idiot | Now I am running make. |
| 01:33.26 | vick | sward, i did that, not working. |
| 01:33.34 | sward | Idiot: What was the problem / how did you fix it? |
| 01:34.13 | Guerin | vick: install the debian packages or seek help elsewhere |
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| 01:34.36 | Guerin | vick: otherwise. look in /etc/gdm/* |
| 01:34.36 | Idiot | sward: --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3/ |
| 01:34.45 | delirium | SupIAmMike : wireless-tools I think |
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| 01:34.47 | sward | ah :) |
| 01:34.55 | vick | Guerin, and it's /usr/X11R6/etc/gdm or something |
| 01:34.58 | delirium | Idiot : well done |
| 01:35.23 | Idiot | Thank you. |
| 01:35.34 | Guerin | vick: what is? |
| 01:35.39 | vick | uh |
| 01:35.58 | vick | Guerin, the directory. |
| 01:36.10 | Guerin | vick: not in debian, it ain't. |
| 01:36.16 | vick | heh. |
| 01:36.19 | SupIAmMike | apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 01:36.36 | vick | Guerin, if you install it from source, then it is. |
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| 01:36.37 | Guerin | vick: so, feel like telling us what distro you ARE running? |
| 01:36.41 | SupIAmMike | E: Couldn't find package: linux-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 01:36.52 | Guerin | vick: if you install it from source, you get to support it yourself. Off you go. |
| 01:36.58 | sward | vick: Don't install it from source, ffs! |
| 01:37.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fluxbox' (2 of 3): (/usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions/fluxbox.desktop) in kde/kdm ;; (/usr/lib/menu/fluxbox, /etc/gdm/Sessions/fluxbox, /etc/menu-methods/fluxbox) in x11/fluxbox. |
| 01:37.13 | Guerin | sward: versions before 2.6.12 were kernel-* |
| 01:37.13 | vick | Guerin, don't tell me where to seek help too. |
| 01:37.25 | Guerin | vick: why not? |
| 01:37.29 | vick | Guerin, and now mind your own business and don't answer my questions, i don't like the way you answer. |
| 01:37.29 | sward | Guerin: ? |
| 01:37.33 | vick | Guerin, just ignore me :D |
| 01:37.41 | vick | Guerin, you're not helpfull anyway. |
| 01:37.45 | Guerin | vick: you're offtopic. We have no way of knowing how or how badly you've fucked your system up. |
| 01:37.54 | vick | i didn't fuck it up. |
| 01:38.00 | delirium | SupIAmMike : can't find the 2.6.8 headers anymore, type "apt-cache search linux-headers" |
| 01:38.08 | Guerin | !#gnome |
| 01:38.08 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 01:38.16 | sward | Guerin: I know that.. did I say something about them? |
| 01:38.28 | Guerin | sward: sorry |
| 01:38.35 | vick | heh |
| 01:38.36 | sward | :) |
| 01:38.36 | Guerin | SupIAmMike: versions before 2.6.12 were kernel-* |
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| 01:38.52 | sward | ah, now I see |
| 01:39.02 | Guerin | vick: if you didn't fuck it up, how come you need help? |
| 01:39.22 | vick | Guerin, it's not configured, it's not fucked up either. |
| 01:39.29 | delirium | Guerin : oh yeah, that's right, the headers are different now too, so it's kernel-headers :p |
| 01:39.53 | Guerin | vick: in any case, i don't believe the documentation for gdm changes all that much between distributions. |
| 01:40.22 | vick | why were you asking about what distro was i using then, it doesn't matter, does it ? |
| 01:40.48 | welson | vick, yes it does! |
| 01:40.50 | Guerin | vick: yes, it does. I don't know what version you have, or what you built it with, or any other relevant factors. |
| 01:41.07 | vick | i disagree. |
| 01:41.12 | Guerin | vick: bottom line: use the debian packages or support the thing yourself. |
| 01:41.21 | sward | vick: Shush, or leave |
| 01:41.27 | Guerin | vick: you can disagree as much as you like, but that's the deal in #debian. |
| 01:41.42 | vick | sward, Guerin are you one of the operators here ? |
| 01:41.53 | Idiot | Damn it. Fung-Calc source doesn't want to compile on PPC. |
| 01:42.00 | Guerin | vick: no, but you can summon one and argue the toss with them, if you want. |
| 01:42.01 | sward | vick: Install the package named 'fluxbox', and be happy |
| 01:42.18 | vick | Guerin, sward, don't tell me what to do then. |
| 01:42.22 | Idiot | Is there a better 2D graphing calculator? |
| 01:42.25 | vick | i like to install stuff from source. |
| 01:42.33 | vick | it am happy that way, using apt-get! |
| 01:42.41 | deadcat | vick: then dont use debian and dont use irc |
| 01:42.43 | Guerin | !ops please tell vick about using debian packages, since he doesn't believe non-ops. |
| 01:42.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please tell vick about using debian packages, since he doesn't believe non-ops. |
| 01:42.49 | welson | Idiot, D2 |
| 01:42.55 | SuperNinjaKitty | vick if i were you i would try apt-get install fluxbox |
| 01:43.06 | helix | hmm |
| 01:43.07 | sward | !beel Guerin |
| 01:43.11 | sward | !beer Guerin |
| 01:43.13 | deadcat | SuperNinjaKitty: fuck him. let me compile |
| 01:43.17 | mentor | hmmm |
| 01:43.21 | deadcat | SuperNinjaKitty: s/me/him/ |
| 01:43.22 | sward | ooh, lovely |
| 01:43.47 | helix | Guerin, vick: what is the problem? |
| 01:43.49 | SuperNinjaKitty | deadcat huh? |
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| 01:44.46 | Idiot | welson: D2? |
| 01:44.47 | Guerin | helix: too lazy to seek help for his source-built no-name no-version gnome packages in the proper places, but is happy to argue that they're no different than the debian packages. |
| 01:45.20 | helix | vick: they are different and it's unreasonable to assume we're able to help with them |
| 01:45.26 | Guerin | sorry, s/gnome/gdm and fluxbox/ |
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| 01:45.53 | deadcat | vick: have you tried gentoo? maybe thats for you |
| 01:45.58 | helix | deadcat: enough |
| 01:46.11 | vick | deadcat, don't talk to me. |
| 01:46.23 | deadcat | dude. i am just telling him... |
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| 01:46.32 | mentor | deadcat: enough, really. |
| 01:46.40 | vick | deadcat, no, you are not. |
| 01:46.41 | welson | Idiot, google it, its very popular |
| 01:46.49 | vick | "deadcat SuperNinjaKitty: fuck him. let me compile" |
| 01:46.59 | delirium | does anybody know what the effect is if you use AlwayCore instead of CorePointer for your mouse setup in xorg.conf ? |
| 01:47.00 | helix | deadcat: please /ignore vick if you cannot behave reasonably |
| 01:47.09 | deadcat | helix: i did |
| 01:47.14 | SuperNinjaKitty | vick pardon me? |
| 01:47.15 | helix | thanks |
| 01:47.43 | vick | SuperNinjaKitty, i was just pasting something |
| 01:47.56 | deadcat | helix: i got this: 18:47 <vick> YOUR MOTHER IS A SLUT |
| 01:48.02 | helix | deadcat: where? |
| 01:48.05 | helix | in /msg? |
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| 01:48.12 | deadcat | helix: ya. want me to screenshot it? |
| 01:48.20 | Guerin | hehe |
| 01:48.23 | helix | deadcat: you got that just now? |
| 01:48.29 | deadcat | helix: ya |
| 01:48.29 | Guerin | true colours at the top of the mast |
| 01:48.31 | Guerin | classy |
| 01:48.34 | vick | deadcat is lying. |
| 01:48.34 | sward | :/ |
| 01:48.35 | SuperNinjaKitty | Debian one beg happy family :) |
| 01:48.36 | mentor | deadcat: I thought you had him on ignore ... :P |
| 01:48.40 | vick | how come you ignored me then ? |
| 01:48.40 | SuperNinjaKitty | big oops |
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| 01:48.41 | vick | lol |
| 01:48.41 | deadcat | mentor: (= |
| 01:48.56 | deadcat | mentor: mentally |
| 01:49.03 | mentor | right. |
| 01:49.22 | deadcat | oh now hes on my papa.. |
| 01:49.22 | Idiot | *sigh* |
| 01:49.34 | SuperNinjaKitty | vick have you ever used DSL? |
| 01:49.38 | vick | Yes. |
| 01:49.44 | mentor | deadcat: This isn't in channel; it's between you and vick, please stop parroting it in here. |
| 01:49.45 | delirium | idiots :s (no offense Idiot) |
| 01:49.46 | vick | damn small linux ? |
| 01:49.56 | SuperNinjaKitty | i liked the fluxbox setup on dsl |
| 01:50.00 | deadcat | mentor: ok |
| 01:50.03 | Idiot | I can't find it. |
| 01:50.05 | SuperNinjaKitty | yes damn small linux |
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| 01:50.08 | Idiot | D2 must stand for something |
| 01:50.28 | mentor | Idiot: A two sided die? |
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| 01:50.39 | welson | Idiot, well then if you still can't help, um, it must be that um, your name!! |
| 01:50.40 | Guerin | mentor: we use the word "coin" these days |
| 01:50.54 | mentor | Guerin: that was tongue in cheek, yes. |
| 01:51.12 | deadcat | maybe its time for me to stop using irc... later vick i love you (= |
| 01:51.45 | SuperNinjaKitty | cant you feel the love? |
| 01:51.46 | Idiot | welson: A Google search for D2 doesn't show much. Something about Diablo 2, I don't know WTF that is. |
| 01:51.52 | delirium | Idiot : I found this : http://rpmfind.net/linux/sourceforge/d/d2/ |
| 01:51.56 | Guerin | mentor: and mine wasn't at all. |
| 01:51.59 | mentor | SuperNinjaKitty: Yes, it's hiding in the corner. |
| 01:52.13 | hyperstream | is there anyway to resize/change my NTFS filesystem into fat32? 160gig's |
| 01:52.16 | mentor | Guerin: of course not. You couldn't possibly |
| 01:52.17 | SuperNinjaKitty | mentor i think it was beaten into the corner |
| 01:52.27 | welson | Idiot, you're name is Idiot, it's what I meant :) |
| 01:52.34 | welson | Idiot, you "are" and idiot :) |
| 01:52.52 | SuperNinjaKitty | Diablo 2 is a game |
| 01:52.53 | Guerin | hyperstream: i know of no non-destructive tools which can convert between such differet filesystems. |
| 01:53.04 | Idiot | welson: Because I can't find D2? |
| 01:53.20 | Idiot | SuperNinjaKitty: Well, I want to do 2D graphinh. |
| 01:53.23 | welson | Idiot, no, because I felt like saying and actually meaning it :) |
| 01:53.31 | Guerin | hyperstream: you'd need a second buffer big enough to fit your (compressed) data, to get it out of the way while you format. |
| 01:53.43 | hyperstream | ahh |
| 01:53.44 | hyperstream | crap |
| 01:53.45 | hyperstream | yeah |
| 01:53.48 | Idiot | <- Can say 24 digits of pi |
| 01:53.49 | welson | 2D = D2 !, if it was for 3D, logically that would be um D3 :) |
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| 01:53.52 | hyperstream | you see i have a linux partition |
| 01:53.55 | hyperstream | fat32 |
| 01:54.00 | mentor | Guerin: Unless you do it block by block |
| 01:54.01 | Guerin | Idiot: i can too ... just not in the right order |
| 01:54.04 | hyperstream | but when i boot into windows it seems to wipe it |
| 01:54.05 | hyperstream | : |
| 01:54.12 | Idiot | Guerin: I can in the correct order. |
| 01:54.17 | hyperstream | only way to redo my ntfs is to loose stuff on linux part |
| 01:54.21 | Guerin | mentor: hrm, can you do that? |
| 01:54.41 | mentor | hyperstream: partition magic does this sort of thing. GNU parted does too, but doesn't have as much filesystem support, forget about using it for NTFS. |
| 01:54.45 | nvz | I can remember strings of random characters longer than 24. I still remember 25 char Win98 serials |
| 01:54.54 | mentor | poor nvz |
| 01:55.02 | welson | hyperstream, nuke FAT, that's MS |
| 01:55.14 | mentor | I can remember a character string of at least 36 characters. |
| 01:55.17 | hyperstream | parition magic is windows based ? |
| 01:55.29 | hyperstream | welson, no i tend to play games |
| 01:55.30 | hyperstream | :) |
| 01:55.49 | mentor | hyperstream: Well, yes and no. It has a version that is booted from MSDOS disks to move partitions offline |
| 01:55.49 | delirium | anybody ever had the problem of a touchpad tapping double ? |
| 01:56.15 | mentor | Someone's supposed to ask which string... |
| 01:56.36 | Idiot | Heh, gaming is overrated. |
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| 01:57.22 | delirium | Idiot : finally can game again in linux, somehow messed up OpenGL, somehow fixed it :p |
| 01:58.33 | delirium | can anybody help me with my frigging touchpad problem ? :s |
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| 01:59.34 | welson | delirium, laptop linux -- there's a site for your model |
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| 02:01.23 | delirium | welson : do I need drivers or something, because my touchpad works just fine, it's just, it tappes double, but clicking is still one-click. In Xfree86 I had to install xfree86-driver-synaptics, but in Xorg I don't seem to need it |
| 02:02.44 | welson | delirium, first if you want help, make sense--> if your touchpad works fine, then why anything should be wrong with it? |
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| 02:03.28 | welson | delirium, 2-> when you "click" you must know wtf what you're thinking, are you sticking your D on the nip or something? |
| 02:04.24 | supsup | I'm trying to install Debian, but my DVD drive is very finnicky. CD/DVD install will not work, it stays at 74% for very long time (updating package list) and then it won't let me mount the CD-ROM again, because remounting and taking out the disc usually makes it work. Can I install from my USB hard drive? |
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| 02:05.12 | welson | supsup, md5 comes to mind.. |
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| 02:05.38 | delirium | welson : 1) it just tappes double, that's all. I tap once and it does a double tap, but nowhere in the settings I can't find this double tap behaviour. 2) huh ? I don't get it |
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| 02:05.55 | welson | delirium, google it, I have no clue what you're doing |
| 02:05.58 | supsup | okay, what do I do with md5? |
| 02:06.23 | welson | delirium, unless you can start talking with "click" language and pseudo non-english language, then maybe you've passed step 1 |
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| 02:06.49 | Guerin | supsup: run the cd self-test at boot |
| 02:06.58 | welson | supsup, go to the site and see how you can make use of md5 tools |
| 02:07.36 | Guerin | supsup: if it fails, run md5sum on the CD, and compare with the md5 supplied on the web where you downloaded it from. |
| 02:07.37 | welson | supsup, also "burn" with verification |
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| 02:08.04 | delirium | welson : wtf, start talking "click" language :s I have no fucking idea what you mean, am I talking Chinese here or don't you get what my problem is ? |
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| 02:08.43 | thingfish | fedora is using sha1sum |
| 02:08.49 | rendi | can help me sir ? |
| 02:08.52 | thingfish | <ick> |
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| 02:09.36 | thingfish | not for sha1sum, but for fedora. |
| 02:09.36 | rendi | rpm -ivh privoxy-3.0.3-1.i386.rpm |
| 02:09.36 | rendi | rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian |
| 02:09.36 | supsup | Welson, Guerin, the CD is good and right. The DVD-ROM drive on the computer I'm trying to install to doesn't work long enough to install Debian. |
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| 02:09.37 | rendi | can help me about that |
| 02:09.37 | Guerin | thingfish: so, i guess the answer is "soon" |
| 02:09.37 | Guerin | supsup: use another drive. |
| 02:09.37 | thingfish | I'd guess. |
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| 02:09.40 | welson | sussudio, you need the idiot-test question, have you verified the md5, yes or no? |
| 02:09.47 | Guerin | rendi: what are you trying to install? |
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| 02:10.00 | delirium | rendi : if you install the alien package, you can convert rpm to deb |
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| 02:10.03 | welson | supsup, , you need the idiot-test question, have you verified the md5, yes or no? |
| 02:10.16 | rendi | how to conver that with alien |
| 02:10.17 | Guerin | oh, duh |
| 02:10.25 | Guerin | !info privoxy |
| 02:10.34 | dpkg | privoxy: (Privacy enhancing HTTP Proxy), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1509 kB, Installed size: 2860 kB |
| 02:10.39 | delirium | rendi : man alien |
| 02:10.48 | Guerin | rendi: apt-get install privoxy |
| 02:10.49 | welson | delirium, you're an idiot |
| 02:10.54 | ozzloy | i'm such a dooferus maximus. i have a mac mini here, haven |
| 02:10.59 | Guerin | rendi: don't use alien, just iinstall the debian package. |
| 02:11.01 | delirium | welson : wtf, what i do ? |
| 02:11.02 | ozzloy | used it in a while, forgot the root pw |
| 02:11.10 | aalex | I have an error on startup : /sbin/init : cannot open dev/console : No such file Kernel panic : Attempted to kill init ! |
| 02:11.15 | welson | delirium, you stink |
| 02:11.15 | ozzloy | and this isn't even the mac channel |
| 02:11.19 | aalex | what it this ? |
| 02:11.19 | ozzloy | woops again |
| 02:11.28 | Guerin | ozzloy: /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 02:11.32 | rendi | oh i forgot |
| 02:11.33 | rendi | done |
| 02:11.35 | rendi | Starting filtering proxy server: privoxy. |
| 02:11.40 | rendi | thankyu very much |
| 02:11.43 | delirium | welson : no I don't |
| 02:11.44 | welson | delirium, you talk "click" tooo much... "alien" is a "click" |
| 02:11.59 | delirium | welson : you're not making any sense |
| 02:12.08 | Guerin | welson: delirium: they're not clicks, they're glottal stops. |
| 02:12.13 | welson | delirium, well then you haven't passed step 1 yet |
| 02:12.50 | delirium | glottal, that's not even a word :s |
| 02:13.00 | welson | Guerin, he's brave enough to pretend he knows just a little crap about anything |
| 02:13.07 | Guerin | !dict glottal |
| 02:13.09 | dpkg | Dictionary 'glottal' Glottal \Glot"tal\, a. Of or pertaining to, or produced by, the glottis; glottic. |
| 02:13.34 | supsup | no, I have not verified the MD5 hash. I've done the check CD integrity inside the installer. I don't see md5 tools on the main page. |
| 02:13.46 | supsup | It's AMD64 Disc 1 |
| 02:13.51 | welson | supsup, then you're an idiot, check it |
| 02:14.04 | Guerin | supsup: if the cd self-test works, it signifies two things: 1) the cd is good; 2) the drive is good. |
| 02:14.07 | delirium | welson : don't use difficult words, my english is not that good |
| 02:14.15 | Guerin | welson: no, you're the idiot in this case. |
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| 02:14.55 | vagabund | delirium: please go to sleep - |
| 02:15.25 | welson | Guerin, there's truth to things that have already been done and no-truth to those who use lingo not having a clue what they're talking about, "alien" is a no-no |
| 02:15.46 | welson | Guerin, he is the one, not me.. |
| 02:15.51 | delirium | vagabund : who the fuck are you ? I'm not talking to you |
| 02:16.05 | Guerin | welson: i'm talking about supsup's md5 issues. |
| 02:16.13 | welson | I defend myself when I have to-- delirium, get out unless you pass step 1 |
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| 02:16.19 | supsup | Guerin, the DVD-ROM works for short time, but it has problems that are usually fixed by opening and closing the drive or remounting it. Linux doesn't let me use the drive button to open/close, I have to use eject or it has to unmounted to work. I can't unmount it after the 74% hang. Sometimes it lets me if I re-verify, but not after that part of the install. |
| 02:16.30 | Elly|Debian | hey guys, how do I get gdm to start instead of kdm? |
| 02:16.40 | Elly|Debian | I just did a net install |
| 02:16.45 | welson | Elly|Debian, apt-get install gdm |
| 02:16.53 | Elly|Debian | did that already |
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| 02:16.56 | supsup | Elly|Debian, dpkg reconfigure gdm |
| 02:17.02 | Elly|Debian | when I type 'startx', I still get kdm |
| 02:17.02 | welson | Elly|Debian, tkman update-rc.d |
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| 02:17.19 | Elly|Debian | so which one of those do I do? |
| 02:17.23 | delirium | welson : I must have missed a pretty big step because I still don't understand step 1, can't you explain it in plain simple english because I really don't get it |
| 02:17.37 | supsup | dpkg reconfigure gdm is easy, I've never done what welson said |
| 02:17.37 | dpkg | okay, supsup |
| 02:17.55 | Guerin | dpkg, forget reconfigure gdm |
| 02:17.55 | dpkg | i forgot reconfigure gdm, Guerin |
| 02:18.03 | welson | delirium, you're not even there, you're on step zero, unless you admit to saying using "alien" is wrong, then you passed step 1.. |
| 02:18.12 | supsup | Guerin, sorry about that. :[ |
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| 02:19.07 | welson | Guerin, true, but did he really check all his cd's ? |
| 02:19.09 | Elly|Debian | I get an error like 'needs an action verb' when I do 'dpkg reconfigure gdm' |
| 02:19.19 | Elly|Debian | and 'dpkg --reconfigure gdm' throws an error |
| 02:19.20 | vagabund | !seen LightVision |
| 02:19.20 | dpkg | lightvision is currently on #debian (2m 6s). Has said a total of 2236 messages. Is idling for 1h 49m 55s |
| 02:19.21 | Guerin | Elly|Debian: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:19.27 | delirium | welson : oh, we're talking about alien, I thought we we're still on my laptop problem. You mean alien was wrong because the package he was trying to install had a debian version ? |
| 02:19.30 | Elly|Debian | oh |
| 02:19.43 | welson | delirium, no you're attitude, you're stubborn |
| 02:19.55 | supsup | Man sorry, I'm rusty. I need to get it installed again. Can I do that from my USB HDD? ^_^ |
| 02:19.55 | LightVision | How can I add hda windows to my grub menu (menu.list) so its available for me to boot into if I want? |
| 02:20.01 | LightVision | vagabund: hello, looking for me :) |
| 02:20.07 | LightVision | !seen vagabund |
| 02:20.07 | dpkg | vagabund is currently on #debian (29m 59s). Has said a total of 142 messages. Is idling for 47s |
| 02:20.14 | delirium | welson : no, I just didn't understand you're "click" language |
| 02:20.19 | welson | LightVision, use other= |
| 02:20.30 | LightVision | welson: what you mean other=? |
| 02:21.01 | delirium | welson : see, people don't understand what you're saying :p |
| 02:21.14 | LightVision | welson: i dont understand what you say |
| 02:21.28 | LightVision | welson: we are not mind readers here, please elaborate |
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| 02:21.45 | welson | LightVision, that's for the conf file.. |
| 02:22.05 | LightVision | does anyone know how can I add hda windows xp to my grub menu (menu.list) so its available for me to boot into if I want? I want to be able to boot into Debian or Windows. |
| 02:22.12 | LightVision | welson: i dont understand what you say. what conf file? |
| 02:22.20 | LightVision | welson is a troll? |
| 02:22.34 | welson | LightVision, rtfm |
| 02:22.36 | LightVision | welson has been established as a troll |
| 02:22.40 | Guerin | LightVision: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 02:22.56 | Guerin | LightVision: you have been established as a troll as well, so I suggest you stop pointing finger. |
| 02:23.13 | LightVision | delirium: any ideas? |
| 02:23.15 | dregan_ | hi, I have been trying to set up a ftp server, I did get wu-ftp to work but it was unsatisfactory with chroot users. I tried with proftpd - but apt-get played up and wouldn't install it, so I settled on vsftpd. This appears to do what I need but users cannot get past the password - If anyone can help me, I can supply an extract of the conf file. |
| 02:23.23 | supsup | I'll just do I netinstall. I didn't see the image before, now I see it. This will work I think since it will not be using the CD so much. Thank you for helping everyone. :) |
| 02:23.29 | Guerin | LightVision: menu.lst has plenty of examples you can use. |
| 02:23.32 | LightVision | vagabund: would you know? |
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| 02:23.58 | LightVision | i wish dondelelcaro was here :) |
| 02:24.04 | welson | dregan, check out scp:// and fish:// on the client side, and sshd for the server , what client are you using? |
| 02:24.09 | delirium | LightVision : I think there's a tool for it, but Guerin is right, you can just edit the config file |
| 02:24.15 | vagabund | LightVision: no I dont |
| 02:24.31 | LightVision | delirium: what config file? the menu.lst? |
| 02:24.50 | Guerin | !say LightVision: if you just went and edited menu.lst, you'd see the examples. |
| 02:24.50 | coffeemilk | ... |
| 02:24.51 | dpkg | LightVision: if you just went and edited menu.lst, you'd see the examples. |
| 02:25.02 | welson | dregan, ssh does file transfers you know |
| 02:25.10 | LightVision | has anyone here have a menu.lst I can look at where windows is part of the grub menu? |
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| 02:25.24 | delirium | LightVision : do you use KDE, in your menu, go to System - Boot, there you should be able to change it |
| 02:25.26 | sussudio | welson: who the fuck are you and why the fuck are you msging me? |
| 02:25.29 | LightVision | i thought dpkg was a bot :P |
| 02:25.30 | vagabund | I use lilo - |
| 02:25.45 | LightVision | delirium: i use kde yes |
| 02:25.46 | welson | sussudio, that was 20 minutes ago..wtf you talking about |
| 02:25.53 | Guerin | the fucking DEFAULT menu.lst has an example of EXACTLY THIS |
| 02:25.54 | dregan_ | What is syntax to register nickname |
| 02:25.56 | sussudio | welson: die |
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| 02:26.04 | Guerin | dregan_: /msg nickserv help |
| 02:26.05 | welson | sussudio, that was an err I corrected |
| 02:26.09 | welson | sussudio, shush |
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| 02:26.10 | sward | #debian is soooooo much funn |
| 02:26.14 | LightVision | delirium: i use kde yes., but I dont have a System - Boot |
| 02:26.17 | dregan_ | Guerin: thanxs |
| 02:26.31 | vagabund | LightVision: I use kde instead |
| 02:26.37 | Guerin | can someone tell LightVision to just go and read the fucking config file already? |
| 02:26.49 | serfurj | what does "C compiler cannot create executables" mean and how can i fix it? |
| 02:26.49 | LightVision | vagabund: me too |
| 02:26.50 | sward | That was so sarcastic the sarcasm god gave it another 'n' |
| 02:26.54 | Guerin | !b-e |
| 02:26.55 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 02:27.08 | LightVision | has anyone here have a menu.lst I can look at where windows is part of the grub menu? |
| 02:27.20 | Guerin | !say LightVision: No. read the file. |
| 02:27.21 | dpkg | LightVision: No. read the file. |
| 02:27.49 | LightVision | read what file? :P |
| 02:27.55 | Guerin | ... |
| 02:27.57 | snookmz | does anyone know how to get the config of the currently running 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:28.17 | LightVision | i got it |
| 02:28.22 | delirium | LightVision : command is boot-admin, don't know from which package, and read the top of you menu.lst file, there's a windows example |
| 02:28.26 | welson | dregan_, install sshd, its better |
| 02:28.26 | LightVision | it has examples in the sources.list |
| 02:28.28 | Guerin | snookmz: /boot/config-(uname -r) if it's a debian kernel |
| 02:28.33 | LightVision | delirium: thank you :) |
| 02:28.35 | Guerin | snookmz: /boot/config-$(uname -r) if it's a debian kernel |
| 02:28.41 | snookmz | Guerin: thanks :) |
| 02:28.49 | dregan_ | welson, thanks |
| 02:29.03 | LightVision | dpkg: thank you :) but I would like to know. are you a bot, or a bot/person? :) |
| 02:29.06 | welson | dregan_, what are you using as the client , X apps? |
| 02:29.23 | sward | dpkg: what are you? |
| 02:29.23 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 02:29.25 | LightVision | delirium: bash: boot-admin: command not found |
| 02:29.38 | Guerin | !installit |
| 02:29.38 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 02:29.48 | elly | alright, at least it's using the proper resolution now |
| 02:29.54 | elly | but it still persists in booting to KDE |
| 02:29.56 | welson | LightVision, lynx /usr/share/doc/<packaganame> |
| 02:29.57 | elly | I want to use gnome :( |
| 02:29.58 | LightVision | delirium: E: Couldn't find package boot-admin |
| 02:30.03 | dregan_ | welson: fyi - II used ftpExporer from windows, dos ftp access etc. They all fail, I tried a number with pasv mode |
| 02:30.08 | delirium | LightVision : I don't know from what package it is, I don't know how it got on my system |
| 02:30.10 | Guerin | !tell LightVision about search |
| 02:30.15 | sward | LightVision: It's even better if you ask it who he is, /msg him |
| 02:30.15 | welson | elly, are you the same guy that still is stuck without gdm? |
| 02:30.22 | dregan_ | I get to enter name and that is accepted and password is rejected |
| 02:30.32 | LightVision | delirium: I cant run boot-admin here on Sarge |
| 02:30.34 | dregan_ | nope: vftp logins |
| 02:30.35 | elly | oh, apt-get install gnome good idea |
| 02:30.40 | LightVision | !boot-admin |
| 02:30.41 | welson | dregan_, winscp |
| 02:31.02 | dregan_ | That has to use secure access - does not allow passive! |
| 02:31.07 | welson | dregan, I shouldn't say it, but on the debian side, install sshd, ^%#$ ftp |
| 02:31.16 | dregan_ | fwiw: I like winscp |
| 02:31.38 | welson | dregan_, hey, so are you on sshd or not? |
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| 02:32.25 | welson | dregan_, so once you pass that, install winscp and forget about ftp, ok? |
| 02:32.48 | LightVision | delirium: Ithats odd that you have boot-admin |
| 02:32.57 | dregan_ | welson: No - I just installed a ftp server - I will take your advise and look at sshd - does it allow chrooted access for users |
| 02:33.12 | Guerin | !find boot-admin |
| 02:33.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'boot-admin' (1): (/usr/bin/boot-admin, /usr/share/gnome/help/boot-admin/C/boot-admin.xml, /usr/share/omf/gnome-system-tools/boot-admin-C.omf) in gnome/gnome-system-tools. |
| 02:33.51 | welson | dregan_, there's a problem with ftp and vsftp about jailing user accounts to their home directories-- |
| 02:33.52 | dregan_ | welson: could pam be knocking me back in some way? |
| 02:33.53 | Guerin | !ssh chroot |
| 02:33.53 | dpkg | from memory, ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 02:34.20 | welson | dregan_, well it supports pam, but I think its off by default |
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| 02:34.36 | Guerin | vsftpd DOES jail users in their homedirs, and it DOES work. I know this because I use it. |
| 02:35.10 | delirium | LightVision : It's called the Bootloader Administration Tool, no idea how it got on my computer, don't know the name of the debian package :p |
| 02:35.47 | welson | dregan_, I don't think ssh uses two ports one for data and the other for control like ftp does, which is what you're thinking... |
| 02:36.01 | asmodaiii | good night everybody |
| 02:36.24 | welson | dregan_, if you want to be cool you can also opensshd with cygwin and use a client up against the win machine issuing /cygdrive (for c d e f ) |
| 02:36.26 | dregan_ | welson: I want users to be able to upload files incl their own http stuff |
| 02:36.42 | welson | dregan_, and transfer all your windows work files to your debian machine :) |
| 02:36.50 | dregan_ | yup |
| 02:36.50 | Guerin | dregan_: tell them to use scp or winscp |
| 02:37.05 | Guerin | dregan_: no need for ftp at all, as long as they have a user account |
| 02:37.11 | LightVision | delirium: :P |
| 02:37.15 | dregan_ | How difficult is sshd to install and get to run |
| 02:37.36 | Guerin | dregan_: apt-get install ssh -> done |
| 02:37.40 | welson | dregan_, apt-get install ssh |
| 02:37.49 | LightVision | delirium: Bootloader Administration Tool appears only ONCE in google |
| 02:37.52 | welson | but not sure if ssh2 is stable.. |
| 02:38.03 | Guerin | !search |
| 02:38.03 | dpkg | it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache ... |
| 02:38.12 | dregan_ | ok - I will get started on killing vsftpd |
| 02:38.22 | LightVision | delirium: and its in Romanian |
| 02:38.30 | LightVision | delirium: what are you running exactly??? |
| 02:38.31 | Guerin | !say LightVision: use the above methods to search, rather than asking inane pointless questions in-channel. Thanks. |
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| 02:38.32 | dpkg | LightVision: use the above methods to search, rather than asking inane pointless questions in-channel. Thanks. |
| 02:38.34 | phorce1 | OK, fresh tar.bz2 backup done of primary machines, copied to one server (using winscp and the sh filesystem in Midnight commander for the debian boxes), server disconnected and moved to inner room. Sounds like the wind has reached 30 or 40 mph. Time to take a nap until it sounds like the roof is coming off. |
| 02:38.40 | delirium | LightVision : I'm trying to find it, but I think it is part of a larger administration package :p |
| 02:38.41 | romulo | hwo i can verify the memory usage of processes? |
| 02:38.42 | romulo | top? |
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| 02:38.48 | LightVision | delirium: yeah :) |
| 02:38.51 | welson | dregan_, if you're using konqueror, use fish:// :) |
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| 02:39.07 | LightVision | welson is a troll |
| 02:39.34 | delirium | LightVision : It's not Romanian here, the title is in dutch, the same language as my KDE, the program itself is in english |
| 02:39.37 | welson | LightVision = Dark Vision --> worse than the dark side |
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| 02:39.59 | phorce1 | mc uses fish for it's sh/ssh connection to another machine. I didn't know that until I saw it moving the files |
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| 02:40.38 | welson | phorce1, not many people know about though its much better than gftp and other file transfer methods.. so I'm breaking the ice :) |
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| 02:40.59 | Elly | hey guys, what package is smbfs in? |
| 02:41.03 | welson | phorce1, mc has given me trouble for this though, what version are you using for sshd 1/2 ? |
| 02:41.09 | Elly | I want to mount a windows shared drive over the network with mount -t smbfs ... |
| 02:41.18 | phorce1 | I'll have to investigate it further after the hurricane |
| 02:42.15 | Elly | anyone? |
| 02:42.16 | welson | Elly, samba |
| 02:42.31 | Elly | thanks |
| 02:42.48 | phorce1 | welson: whatever the latest sarge install was -- I'm off the machines now and have "shutdown -h now" queued up on the command line of all the nonessentials so I just need to switch through the KVM hitting enter |
| 02:43.06 | welson | Elly, I think its a mod though.. |
| 02:43.08 | delirium | LightVision : I'm not imagening it, it's mentioned here : http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-52480.html It appears to come with Gnome, if you don't have it installed then that might be the reason |
| 02:43.36 | Elly | so how do I install/use it then? |
| 02:43.50 | welson | delirium, you're still talking like everything about linux refers to debian, debian != ubuntu, though its debian based.. |
| 02:44.22 | Elly | how does one go about installing a kernel module? |
| 02:44.46 | delirium | welson : I know, but there must be a debian package for it, otherwise it wouldn't have landed on my system |
| 02:44.53 | welson | phorce1, kvm killed me when I kept getting stalls with the dam keyboard-- |
| 02:44.57 | Guerin | Elly: depends on the kernel module. Read man make-kpkg and consider using module-assistant |
| 02:45.06 | Elly | aha, apt-get install smbfs |
| 02:45.15 | Elly | and there we go |
| 02:45.23 | Elly | now, brb |
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| 02:46.11 | welson | delirium, if you don't know, then don't give the wrong impression, there's a reason why distros say to go to their #channels, if he's on ubuntu, you say #ubuntu.. because there are differences.. |
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| 02:47.14 | delirium | welson : It's definetly debian and for Gnome (Gnome boot-admin 1.2.0) |
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| 02:47.45 | welson | delirium, you're the first one I ever heard say that, geez you really are stubborn aren't you? |
| 02:48.07 | welson | delirium, you must be a dependent :) |
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| 02:48.29 | gobeavs | is Debian "testing" stable enough to use as a Desktop PC, or should I use "stable"? I like my software to be recent, so that is why I would want testing. |
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| 02:48.56 | whitehorse1 | I use testing on my desktop. It's er stable to a degree. |
| 02:49.11 | Guerin | gobeavs: it doesn't break THAT often. |
| 02:49.18 | welson | gobeavs, try the stable first, then try upgrading it later |
| 02:49.18 | Guerin | gobeavs: but it MIGHT break. |
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| 02:49.22 | delirium | welson : aha, I found it, boot-admin is included in the repository, the package is called gnome-system-tools, a collection of system tools for Gnome (including boot-admin) :D |
| 02:49.26 | secher | gob: is windows stable enough to use for a desktop? If you say yes, then *unstable* is stable enough. |
| 02:49.32 | gobeavs | haha |
| 02:49.38 | welson | delirium, #ubuntu |
| 02:49.39 | gobeavs | well, as long as I don't lose any files or anything |
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| 02:49.54 | welson | delirium, you're not on #debian aren't you.. |
| 02:49.57 | secher | gob: hence the term backup. |
| 02:50.15 | gobeavs | secher: I use linux so I don't have to backup ;-P |
| 02:50.17 | Guerin | delirium: as I said about an hour ago |
| 02:50.22 | gobeavs | but am I correct in thinking that stable won't be too up-to-date? |
| 02:50.24 | Guerin | !backups |
| 02:50.24 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
| 02:50.51 | Guerin | gobeavs: what do you mean by up-to-date? It was released in June. |
| 02:51.02 | delirium | Guerin : ah crap, must have missed that |
| 02:51.05 | gobeavs | Guerin: but if I have it for a year, it will be out of date |
| 02:51.13 | secher | gob: imho, get stable, move to testing, and then if comfy, move to unstable. |
| 02:51.13 | gobeavs | can I use testing packages with the stable distro? |
| 02:51.19 | whitehorse1 | I do |
| 02:51.27 | whitehorse1 | Oh no wait, other way around |
| 02:51.32 | peterS | gobeavs: does software have an expiration date, after which it stops being useful? like milk? |
| 02:51.32 | Guerin | gobeavs: but it will still be just as cool as it was when you installed it. |
| 02:51.35 | gobeavs | it won't cause problems? I used to use Ubuntu, and you weren't supposed to there |
| 02:51.35 | delirium | it's too late, I'm going to bed, I'm annoyed, my touchpad problem still isn't solved and everybody thinks I'm stupid |
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| 02:51.54 | dregan_ | welson, I am sorry, I am having trouble finding a ssh howto to set it up |
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| 02:52.10 | gobeavs | peterS: no, it doesn't have an expiration date. But new and better milk is released that I want. |
| 02:52.23 | Guerin | dregan_: you don't need a howto to set ssh up. Just install it and mash "yes" when it asks if you want to run the server |
| 02:52.27 | welson | dregan_, so you're not on debian aren't you? geez another ...*sigh.. |
| 02:52.47 | peterS | gobeavs: it's a shame none of us could use our computers 5 years ago, before GNOME 2.10 and x.org 6.8.2 were released. our machines were useless. I wonder why I even owned one. |
| 02:52.47 | Guerin | !sns syndrome |
| 02:52.47 | dpkg | [sns syndrome] a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 02:52.51 | dregan_ | welson, yup I am on debian |
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| 02:52.55 | whitehorse1 | drega: there's an SSH Howto linked from here: http://tinyurl.com/89teq |
| 02:53.00 | dregan_ | ssh was already installed!!! |
| 02:53.01 | welson | dregan_, so why can't you listen? |
| 02:53.03 | whitehorse1 | dregan I mean |
| 02:53.11 | Guerin | dregan_: OMFGLOL |
| 02:53.12 | gobeavs | Will it break Debian to use testing packages on a stable install? |
| 02:53.17 | Guerin | gobeavs: yes. |
| 02:53.24 | gobeavs | dang |
| 02:53.31 | Guerin | gobeavs: if you must have shinies, use testing. |
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| 02:53.53 | Guerin | using testing won't impregnate your cat, like sid might |
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| 02:53.57 | welson | gobeavs, yes at some point you will get problems unless you know how to tackle them |
| 02:53.58 | whitehorse1 | And use the Sarge backport from debian-desktop.org of KDE 3.41 with it 8) |
| 02:54.00 | peterS | gobeavs: there's little point. while the dependency system is supposed to ensure that everything that a package needs upgraded *gets* upgraded, the scenario you describe is never terribly well tested. it's simpler and safer to just upgrade your whole machine to testing |
| 02:54.06 | dregan_ | whitehorse1, thanxs |
| 02:54.07 | secher | Guerin: LOL |
| 02:54.21 | gobeavs | ok, thanks guys |
| 02:54.25 | gobeavs | I think I'll just go with testing |
| 02:54.42 | gobeavs | I live on the wild side and use OO.org2 beta anyway ;-P |
| 02:54.43 | secher | Guerin: the damn cat'll bang everything else, why not Sid? He Heh. |
| 02:54.48 | welson | gobeavs, then get ready to tackle problems :) |
| 02:55.03 | gobeavs | lol....thanks for reassuring me welson :D |
| 02:55.06 | peterS | heh |
| 02:55.25 | Guerin | those oo.o packages from upstream aren';t too bad - they live entirely in /opt and are easy to delete if they molest any of your pets |
| 02:55.38 | vagabund | why does LightVision leave so badly? |
| 02:55.47 | gobeavs | ok...new scenario: If I go with stable now, and in 6 months when it is really old and crusty...I just switch to testing repo's, do an "apt-get upgrade" and I will be in testing? |
| 02:56.05 | secher | !upgrade |
| 02:56.05 | dpkg | [upgrade] what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 02:56.09 | vagabund | !seen LightVision |
| 02:56.09 | dpkg | lightvision <n=lisa@177.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 17m 2s ago, saying: 'welson is a troll'. |
| 02:56.11 | whitehorse1 | apt-get dist-upgrade'd be closer |
| 02:56.22 | gobeavs | ok |
| 02:56.22 | peterS | vagabund: dude, can you quit your obsession with lightvision already? |
| 02:56.25 | gobeavs | well, something like that :D |
| 02:56.27 | gobeavs | thanks |
| 02:56.29 | welson | he wasn't even on debian |
| 02:56.30 | gobeavs | I think I'll go with that |
| 02:56.30 | secher | gob: after update, then upgrade then dist-upgrade |
| 02:56.37 | gobeavs | and hope my stinking Canon printer will work :D |
| 02:56.50 | Elly | hmm, I would've sworn debian had an angband package |
| 02:56.58 | Guerin | vagabund: i don't know, but I have discovered after careful observation that LightVision is a fucking imbecile who not only refuses to do anything for herself, but actually avoids doing anything, at all, ever, to help herself, and plays the "i'm so happy and smiley, can someone please help me" card instead. |
| 02:57.02 | peterS | Elly: it's non-free |
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| 02:57.15 | Elly | angband is non-free? |
| 02:57.26 | secher | Guerin: don't pull punches. <grin> |
| 02:57.27 | Elly | it's open-source and freely modifiable |
| 02:57.40 | vagabund | hihi afterworks - |
| 02:58.00 | Guerin | Elly: so is djbware, but that's all still non-free. |
| 02:58.01 | vagabund | !seen LightVision |
| 02:58.01 | dpkg | lightvision <n=lisa@177.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 18m 54s ago, saying: 'welson is a troll'. |
| 02:58.01 | peterS | Elly: I forget the details but I think some of its ancestor code is licensed kind of unclearly |
| 02:58.09 | Elly | moria is, I think |
| 02:58.13 | peterS | vagabund: stop it |
| 02:58.25 | Elly | but why can't you have a build that just gets the tarball, untars it, and installs it? |
| 02:58.26 | vagabund | peterS: shut up! |
| 02:58.48 | Guerin | Elly: file a RFP |
| 02:58.57 | peterS | Guerin: no, it *is* in non-free already |
| 02:59.03 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
| 02:59.09 | Elly | so how do I get it then? |
| 02:59.41 | peterS | Guerin,Elly: "This software may be copied and distributed for educational, research and not for profit purposes provided that this copyright and statement are included in all such copies. Other copyrights may also apply." |
| 02:59.48 | peterS | ^^^ non-profit-only is not free software |
| 03:00.06 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 03:00.17 | peterS | Elly: you can add "non-free" to the line in /etc/apt/sources.list that ends with "main" |
| 03:00.22 | vagabund | !seen LightVision |
| 03:00.22 | dpkg | lightvision <n=lisa@177.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 21m 15s ago, saying: 'welson is a troll'. |
| 03:00.27 | peterS | Elly: then 'apt-get update' and it'll be available |
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| 03:00.40 | peterS | vagabund: please take your obsession with lightvision somewhere else |
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| 03:01.03 | vagabund | peterS: shutup! |
| 03:01.12 | Guerin | vagabund: if you could take LightVision with you, that would be ideal |
| 03:01.13 | secher | Grin-- giFTcurs stats show 66 Petabytes of shares. Right. |
| 03:01.21 | peterS | !Guerin++ |
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| 03:02.13 | vagabund | yust kidden strangers - |
| 03:02.14 | mlots | I have two ssh sessions open, but one doesn't seem to be accepting keyboard input. Is there any way I can diagnose this? |
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| 03:02.59 | mlots | I'm writing an e-mail in vim and I'd rather not kill it. Perhaps there's someway I can take over the virtual term or force vim to write the temp buffer to disk? |
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| 03:03.23 | llama32 | anyone know of some source code for apt replacements? like anyone know if the FreeBSD ports/any other system is available w/o downloading the whole OS source? |
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| 03:03.53 | llama32 | or anyone know of technical/design information on apt or similar? |
| 03:03.55 | Guerin | mlots: this is why you should always use screen :) |
| 03:04.08 | peterS | mlots: not really, not that I know of. what you *can* do is, in the future, run stuff inside a 'screen' session. then you can attach and detach at will. this is particularly useful for keeping long-running stuff like a mail reader |
| 03:04.32 | whitehorse1 | why won't KDE let me login as root or start a new session & login as root anymore, what have I done. [ie to install/unpack new software before logging back in as a normal user] |
| 03:04.46 | peterS | mlots: if you kill vim, you can probably recover the message later with 'vi -r' |
| 03:05.10 | Guerin | whitehorse1: you have no legitimate reason to log into kde as root, and kdm won't allow you to. |
| 03:05.32 | Guerin | whitehorse1: log in as a user and run your package management tool of choice using sudo or su or sux |
| 03:06.20 | peterS | so I haven't been watching the news yet, have any of the talking heads used the obvious joke yet, "houston, we have a problem"? |
| 03:06.43 | llama32 | heh |
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| 03:06.59 | whitehorse1 | Hmm the GKsu thang opens file roller now. (post reboot) It didn't do anything before 8~ |
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| 03:07.32 | secher | !texas |
| 03:07.32 | dpkg | methinks texas is a fine place for y'all to have a big ol' time |
| 03:07.40 | secher | Bah. |
| 03:07.53 | mlots | Thanks for the tips! |
| 03:08.04 | mlots | vi -r worked, and screen sounds great. |
| 03:08.05 | secher | No fun. |
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| 03:08.44 | mlots | How can I change my address nicly for all the bugs that I own? |
| 03:08.55 | vagabund | !seen LightVision |
| 03:08.55 | dpkg | lightvision <n=lisa@177.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 29m 48s ago, saying: 'welson is a troll'. |
| 03:09.13 | bob2 | mlots: in the debian bts? there's a "submitter" command which changes that |
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| 03:09.19 | bob2 | or you can just subscribe to them |
| 03:09.21 | peterS | !ops lastlog vagabund, he seems kind of disturbed/obsessed |
| 03:09.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: lastlog vagabund, he seems kind of disturbed/obsessed |
| 03:09.34 | Guerin | peterS: haha |
| 03:09.52 | bob2 | vagabund: please stop it |
| 03:10.03 | eck | how do i load iptables rules on startup? |
| 03:10.14 | peterS | bob2: I can't *prove* this is because LightVision is female, but... |
| 03:10.22 | secher | use the backhoe. <grin> |
| 03:10.38 | bob2 | eck: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
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| 03:10.59 | secher | sry, a dittle lrunk. |
| 03:12.40 | eck | bob2: thanks, i'll read through it |
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| 03:13.41 | secher | vagabund: look who joined. <grin> |
| 03:13.49 | peterS | secher: you're not helping |
| 03:14.00 | LightVision | peterS: hello |
| 03:14.02 | secher | Sorry, I couldn't stop myself. LOL |
| 03:14.17 | peterS | LightVision: hey |
| 03:14.27 | LightVision | peterS: because im using Sarge, does that mean I can never upgrade new software, eg, cfdisk, firefox, etc etc? |
| 03:14.52 | Guerin | !tell LightVision about releases |
| 03:14.55 | peterS | LightVision: there are options. you can upgrade to testing if you don't mind running a bit more risk of breakage |
| 03:14.55 | vagabund | ah she! adore! |
| 03:15.11 | Guerin | !tell LightVision about release |
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| 03:15.24 | peterS | LightVision: or you can pull in newer versions of specific software via backports that people have done - see www.apt-get.org or www.backports.org, I'm not sure which is better maintained |
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| 03:15.40 | bob2 | vagabund: please stop it |
| 03:15.47 | Guerin | dpkg, releases is see http://debian.org/releases/ |
| 03:15.47 | dpkg | ...but releases is already something else... |
| 03:15.48 | LightVision | peterS: ok thanks |
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| 03:16.08 | Guerin | dpkg: you just told me that you didn't know about releases ... |
| 03:16.13 | vagabund | bob2: I do nothing - |
| 03:16.24 | Guerin | vagabund: that would be nice. |
| 03:16.29 | bob2 | vagabund: you're being quite annoying, and potentially harassassing |
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| 03:16.59 | vagabund | am I crazy ? |
| 03:17.00 | secher | apt seen ElectricElf |
| 03:17.04 | apt | electricelf is currently on #bzflag (1h 41m 5s) |
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| 03:17.10 | LightVision | peterS: backports.org is great! thanks :) |
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| 03:17.14 | peterS | np |
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| 03:17.51 | aum | hi - weird thing - with workstation on 10.0.0.100 and server on 10.0.0.101 - ssh, ping, tcp conns from w/s to server connected back to workstation - problem went away after i rebooted both - any ideas on possible cause? |
| 03:18.10 | LightVision | peterS: backports.org is exactly what I was seeking ;) |
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| 03:18.34 | LightVision | peterS: once again, you have proven yourself to be a helpful person. |
| 03:18.40 | peterS | LightVision: good deal then. as I recall it's even maintained by a debian developer, so packages are *probably* not too bad quality. one can never be sure though, it's like third-party software anywhere in the world |
| 03:19.23 | LightVision | peterS: i understand |
| 03:19.25 | Guerin | ooh, peterS is Officially Considered Helpful By LightVision! |
| 03:19.31 | vagabund | a because shes a girly - assholes!!!! |
| 03:19.32 | Guerin | peterS: you are truly blessed! |
| 03:19.39 | peterS | Guerin: oh, I know |
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| 03:20.50 | c_olin | What is a good video editing program for linux? |
| 03:20.57 | peterS | Xenguy: bah, Real Men, when they don't want to deal with symlinks, just blow packages away that they don't want starting up |
| 03:21.00 | c_olin | needs to have some descent features |
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| 03:21.07 | L|NUX | c_olin : mplayer |
| 03:21.12 | c_olin | it edits? |
| 03:21.13 | L|NUX | c_olin : xine, xmms |
| 03:21.16 | Guerin | c_olin: what video editing features did descent have? |
| 03:21.18 | L|NUX | awww |
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| 03:21.23 | Guerin | L|NUX: they're not editors |
| 03:21.24 | Xenguy | peterS: heh, in this case I wanted a command to run on boot |
| 03:21.24 | peterS | c_olin: options are pretty limited, use 'apt-cache search' to find them |
| 03:21.25 | L|NUX | for editor have ti think :) |
| 03:21.26 | L|NUX | yeah |
| 03:21.31 | L|NUX | he did not mention this :) |
| 03:21.36 | c_olin | i apt-cache searched |
| 03:21.38 | Guerin | Xenguy: bootmisc might be appropriate |
| 03:21.39 | c_olin | and found nothing :( |
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| 03:21.57 | peterS | L|NUX: eh? which part of "What is a good video editing program" didn't you catch? |
| 03:22.02 | c_olin | lol |
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| 03:22.06 | L|NUX | sorry |
| 03:22.12 | vagabund | assholes!!!! |
| 03:22.12 | L|NUX | i did not read that :) |
| 03:22.16 | Xenguy | Guerin: I'll check that out, thanks. I just used skeleton in this case (tho I deleted most of that) |
| 03:22.23 | Guerin | Xenguy: yup. |
| 03:22.23 | tina_m | hi guys, im trying to change the version of my debian box from stable to testing. What are the repositories that I need to change? |
| 03:22.25 | L|NUX | http://lives.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:22.27 | peterS | vagabund: you've been warned |
| 03:22.31 | c_olin | but nothing comes to minf to anyone? |
| 03:22.49 | c_olin | ohhh |
| 03:22.49 | peterS | c_olin: kino is the best known |
| 03:22.56 | peterS | c_olin: I don't know anything about it, but it's the name that always comes up |
| 03:22.56 | c_olin | ok... |
| 03:22.57 | Guerin | i recently avoided making a proper init script by making my iptables.sh run as an up command out of ifupdown |
| 03:22.58 | Xenguy | vagabund: I detected no emoticon with that last comment |
| 03:23.15 | L|NUX | c_olin : http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Video_editor |
| 03:23.17 | peterS | Guerin: that makes sense anyway, I think |
| 03:23.18 | L|NUX | good for you :) |
| 03:23.21 | vagabund | thanks Xenguy |
| 03:23.22 | c_olin | thanks |
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| 03:23.27 | Guerin | peterS: no use if the eth ain't up. |
| 03:23.31 | peterS | yeah |
| 03:23.32 | Xenguy | vagabund: plonk |
| 03:23.34 | L|NUX | Welcome :) |
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| 03:24.15 | vagabund | hihi they wanna kidden me - well done volks!!! |
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| 03:24.42 | Guerin | hrm, latest rtorrent in sid has a bug in it, which incorrectly reports how much you have completed. |
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| 03:24.58 | tina_m | can anyone tell me what the repositories should be for TESTING? |
| 03:24.59 | lofdev | anyone know why i'm getting an ndiswrapper install (using module-assistant) failure due to IoFreeWorkItem undeclared??? |
| 03:25.17 | Guerin | tina_m: apt-setup tells you |
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| 03:25.57 | tina_m | Guerin thank you very much |
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| 03:26.18 | ulitz | I keep getting this error.. any idea on what I need? /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmysqlclient |
| 03:26.27 | whitehorse1 | tina_m: what repositories? security? |
| 03:26.48 | L|NUX | ulitz : edit your Makefile and in CPPFLAGS= -lmysqlclient |
| 03:26.48 | L|NUX | :) |
| 03:26.53 | L|NUX | and then try to compile |
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| 03:27.04 | Elly | how do I install ncurses? |
| 03:27.10 | peterS | L|NUX: if you don't know, don't guess |
| 03:27.25 | peterS | ulitz: install libmysqlclient14-dev or similar, whatever that package is called |
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| 03:27.34 | L|NUX | peterS : what ? |
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| 03:27.55 | ulitz | thanks peterS |
| 03:27.58 | peterS | L|NUX: it's not a CPPFLAGS issue and it's not a lack of the -l flag anyway |
| 03:28.06 | L|NUX | awww |
| 03:28.07 | L|NUX | argh |
| 03:28.14 | L|NUX | today is my bad luck |
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| 03:28.39 | peterS | ulitz: I note that unstable has libmysqlclient10-dev, libmysqlclient12-dev, libmysqlclient14-dev, and libmysqlclient15-dev. your guess is as good as mine, which one you actually want |
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| 03:29.16 | vagabund | is she goes gentoo anyway |
| 03:29.21 | ulitz | yeah.. probably only one works |
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| 03:29.46 | peterS | ulitz: it surprises me that your program got compiled far enough to throw that particular error. I would have expected that without the -dev package it would have failed earlier |
| 03:29.48 | Elly | how do I install ncurses? :( |
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| 03:29.54 | ulitz | peterS: so I definately need the development files |
| 03:29.56 | peterS | Elly: aptitude install libncurses5-dev |
| 03:30.00 | whitehorse1 | tina_m: I use testing, my sources.list files @ http://pastebin.ca/23757 if you want to use any of it. Incidentally, a # before a line means it's commented out and unused until the hash is removed. The last lines in it are for unofficial stuff like sun java binaries, audio tools etc. An either/or thing. |
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| 03:30.12 | peterS | ulitz: as I said, I'm surprised you got that far without them. this makes me wonder. |
| 03:30.19 | Elly | alright, what's the difference between apt-get, aptitude, and dpkg? |
| 03:30.21 | ulitz | peterS: seems like it is a basic program.. commercial cut and it has no configure |
| 03:30.29 | ultraviolet16 | hey everyone, i installed samba on my system but can't get the client to log in |
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| 03:30.37 | ultraviolet16 | doesn't wanna recognize the user and pass, any ideas? |
| 03:30.48 | peterS | ulitz: quite possibly, any of those packages would work, so long as the same dev package is used for its header files. but it seems your program didn't need those somehow, so hmm. |
| 03:30.49 | Xenguy | Guerin: hrm, I think bootmisc.sh works nicely :-) |
| 03:30.56 | whitehorse1 | apt-get = underlying tool. aptitude & others = nicer front end |
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| 03:31.22 | Guerin | actually, libapt is the underlying tool |
| 03:31.23 | peterS | whitehorse1: more accurately: apt-get = simple proof-of-concept tool. aptitude & others = better tools |
| 03:31.26 | Guerin | apt-get is a frontend to it |
| 03:31.30 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:31.45 | whitehorse1 | bah :~) |
| 03:31.53 | tina_m | thanks whitehorse |
| 03:31.55 | Legind_ | Elly, apt-get downloads and installs packages from remote sources, dpkg installs from your own local source... from what i understand |
| 03:32.14 | Elly | :| |
| 03:32.18 | Elly | okay, last one |
| 03:32.20 | peterS | Legind_: apt-get downloads stuff then calls dpkg. if you don't need to download stuff you just call dpkg yourself |
| 03:32.22 | Elly | how do I install xaw? |
| 03:32.35 | peterS | Elly: libxaw7-dev is probably what you want |
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| 03:32.40 | whitehorse1 | I use kpackage sometimes to install from a local source conveniently; it employs apt-get to do so, or apt-get methods at least. |
| 03:32.42 | peterS | Elly: but there's also libxaw6-dev (: |
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| 03:33.10 | ultraviolet16 | any ideas with that smbd issue guys? ;) |
| 03:33.11 | peterS | Elly: you could have answered that yourself, btw, with 'apt-cache search xaw dev' |
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| 03:33.31 | xsquared | hi fellas... has anyone successfully compiled MUTE in debian? i am having so much trouble with it |
| 03:33.44 | peterS | Elly: for that matter in unstable there is also libxaw8-dev. that's an xorg-ism, I don't know how xaw8 differs from xaw7 |
| 03:33.48 | whitehorse1 | I have xaw 7&8 installed, they seem happy enough co-existing |
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| 03:33.59 | peterS | right |
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| 03:34.25 | whitehorse1 | v8 is in both testing and debian-desktop.org 's repositories |
| 03:34.40 | vagabund | hihi thats gentoo - |
| 03:34.44 | peterS | right, it's an xorg-ism, so since xorg is in testing, xaw v8 is |
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| 03:35.03 | peterS | vagabund: you're contributing very little to the usefulness of this channel. think about it a bit, will you? |
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| 03:35.46 | Davey | Does Exim do IMAP by default? |
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| 03:35.51 | peterS | Davey: nope |
| 03:35.56 | Davey | Is there any way to see if I have an IMAP daemon installed? |
| 03:36.02 | jarango | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.04 | Davey | I know there isn't one running if I do |
| 03:36.18 | robert__ | does anybody know a spanish debian channel-? |
| 03:36.21 | vagabund | peterS: shut up! |
| 03:36.23 | peterS | Davey: well, you can try 'telnet localhost 143' |
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| 03:36.31 | peterS | Davey: if it says connection refused, you don't have one installed |
| 03:36.32 | whitehorse1 | jarango: different codecs, used to compress movies. made by different groups/org's. |
| 03:36.43 | Davey | peterS, like I said, its not running if there is one. But that doesn't mean there isn't one |
| 03:36.55 | whitehorse1 | jarango: xvid's less common afaik |
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| 03:37.11 | peterS | Davey: if you don't know whether you have one, chances are you do not. the ones packaged for debian set themselves up to start automatically unless you configure them otherwise |
| 03:37.25 | Davey | peterS, I didn't set up this server |
| 03:37.33 | peterS | Davey: but you can look for a commented-out 'imap' entry in /etc/inetd.conf if you want |
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| 03:37.39 | Davey | OK, thanks |
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| 03:37.57 | Davey | nope, not there, thanks peterS :) |
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| 03:38.13 | Davey | Now, next question, I have Exim installed, whats the sanest way to install IMAP? :) |
| 03:38.53 | peterS | Davey: I forget which imapd is considered best these days, but you can comparison-shop with 'apt-cache search imap server' |
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| 03:39.04 | peterS | yes, I know, the list is a bit overwhelming and contains more than a few false positives |
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| 03:39.21 | Davey | well, I want to just apt-get and forget ;) |
| 03:39.25 | xsquared | Courier IMAPD works great for me |
| 03:39.42 | peterS | Davey: I think dovecot-imapd is an apt-get-and-forget one |
| 03:40.05 | robert__ | rober__: |
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| 03:40.40 | Davey | xsquared, how hard is that to get running? |
| 03:40.41 | peterS | Davey: as is uw-imapd, but I *think* dovecot is considered better |
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| 03:41.47 | ducky_ | I just upgraded my cygwin packages and now when I open the cygwin bash shell I get bash-3.00$ for a prompt instead of a traditional prompt. I tried running mkpasswd -l > /etc/passwd but that didn't work. Any other ideas? |
| 03:41.51 | Guerin | uw-* == evil |
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| 03:42.16 | Xenguy | cygwin? |
| 03:42.16 | Guerin | ducky_: bash prompt howto on tldp.org. |
| 03:42.19 | ducky_ | I know this isn't #cygwin but I asked on there and got no answer |
| 03:42.47 | peterS | ducky_: to set your prompt, edit ~/.bash_profile and set the PS1 variable |
| 03:42.47 | Xenguy | ducky_: that is unlikely to fly here :-) |
| 03:43.10 | Guerin | heh ... ducky ... fly |
| 03:43.16 | ducky_ | It's not even reading my home dir |
| 03:43.29 | ducky_ | it goes to /bin/bash |
| 03:43.31 | Guerin | ducky_: that'd be a cygwin problem, i reckon. |
| 03:43.32 | Xenguy | Guerin: ;-) |
| 03:43.32 | peterS | ducky_: it's cygwin, make sure it has the same concept of home dir you think it does |
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| 03:43.58 | peterS | ducky_: anyway, .bashrc is only read for non-login shells, .bash_profile is only read for login shells, I'm not sure which kind cygwin starts by default |
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| 03:45.38 | Guerin | peterS: starts non-login by default. You can make it do login with a cli switch. |
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| 03:48.04 | vagabund | !gentoo |
| 03:48.04 | dpkg | gentoo is, like, a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
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| 03:50.08 | whitehorse1 | vagabund msg dpkg in private please - courtesy costs nothing |
| 03:51.36 | Guerin | ok, how to make a binary in /usr/local look for libs in /usr/local, rather than in /usr ? |
| 03:51.42 | peterS | whitehorse1: awww, you ruined his soliloquy |
| 03:52.07 | peterS | Guerin: you can have *everyone* look first in /usr/local by putting /usr/local in /etc/ld.so.conf and re-running 'ldconfig' |
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| 03:52.25 | Guerin | peterS: ok. |
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| 03:52.42 | peterS | Guerin: or you can compile the binary with -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib or similar. or you can create a wrapper script that does 'export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib' before running the real thing |
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| 03:52.47 | kram_gniretar | anyone know when KDE 3.4 is gonna ship with testing? |
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| 03:53.13 | whitehorse1 | kram_gniretar:3.4.1 is already available for testing, from debian-desktop.org |
| 03:53.18 | peterS | kram_gniretar: they're still trying to get KDE 3.3.2 back in shape. KDE 3.4 is a bit further out |
| 03:53.26 | whitehorse1 | kram_gniretar: 'course, it mentions sarge there, ignore that. |
| 03:53.49 | kram_gniretar | -.- I totally love the Debian package manager but this is reidiculous. |
| 03:53.53 | whitehorse1 | kram_gniretar: I've been using debian for oh, weeks ;p |
| 03:53.55 | kram_gniretar | 3.5 is in beta |
| 03:53.59 | kram_gniretar | and they are still at 3.3 |
| 03:54.26 | whitehorse1 | kram_gniretar: It's only at 3.5beta1 as of the 20th September and it's only the early hours of sept 24th now |
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| 03:54.57 | whitehorse1 | kram_gniretar: that's the whole alleged legendary stability and archaism of debian thing I suppose |
| 03:55.03 | peterS | kram_gniretar: actually I was mistaken, 3.4 is in unstable |
| 03:55.16 | whitehorse1 | peters is correct |
| 03:55.37 | Guerin | peterS: cheers :) |
| 03:55.41 | beinsane | kram_gniretar: Sarge had XFree86 4.3, even though XOrg 6.8 was out... |
| 03:56.07 | kram_gniretar | well, i just left Sid cuz it was so horribly f**ked up |
| 03:56.08 | Guerin | kde 3.4 installs cleanly and appears to run stably in sid, as well |
| 03:56.11 | beinsane | it's that kind of distribution. |
| 03:56.11 | whitehorse1 | the debian-desktop backport of 3.4.1 seems more complete than the unstable 3.4.2, probably without the gcc dependency problems there're meant to be |
| 03:56.22 | Guerin | i upgraded my wife's box last night, and she hasn't complained at me yet :) |
| 03:56.27 | kram_gniretar | meh, i wanna use the correct mirrors |
| 03:56.27 | peterS | heh |
| 03:56.46 | peterS | kram_gniretar: /msg dpkg why is kdelibs not in testing |
| 03:56.50 | peterS | kram_gniretar: that should answer it for you |
| 03:57.09 | whitehorse1 | Allegedly, Sid cannot run stably though. Then again, Guerin is [robably a pretty experienced administrator of Linux systems & configurations. Jo(e) average user would not be. |
| 03:57.18 | happy_broccoli | ping |
| 03:57.26 | sward | The TOPIC would have taken you there, eventually |
| 03:57.33 | secher | Hail Eris, all hail discordia. Sleep well. |
| 03:57.51 | sward | So useful is the topic of an IRC channel |
| 03:57.59 | peterS | kram_gniretar: seems we can blame JACK this time around |
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| 03:58.34 | Guerin | sid is unstable in the sense that it changes DAILY, sometimes in profound ways. If you know debian's package management well, if you can debug and fix packaging errors and library mismatches, and if you can manually resolve and fix dependencies, you can successfully run sid. |
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| 03:58.46 | kl0ck | i love irc |
| 03:59.07 | Guerin | I fancy myself as passably good at all those things :) |
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| 03:59.10 | whitehorse1 | Guerin: Yep that's what I said ;~> |
| 03:59.14 | sward | kl0ck: I'm sure IRC loves you |
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| 03:59.31 | kl0ck | indeed |
| 03:59.38 | Elly | hey, does debian have a banshee package? |
| 03:59.57 | Guerin | !info banshee |
| 04:00.11 | sward | !tell Elly -about search |
| 04:00.12 | Guerin | apparently not |
| 04:00.32 | sward | Nope :( |
| 04:00.33 | whitehorse1 | banshee as in graphics cards? xserver-xorg if so. no idea if not |
| 04:00.45 | Guerin | whitehorse1: it's YAFMP |
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| 04:00.54 | Elly | no |
| 04:00.58 | Elly | banshee as in media players |
| 04:01.00 | Elly | it's an iTunes clone |
| 04:01.07 | Elly | apt-cache search shows nothing :( |
| 04:01.09 | whitehorse1 | ohh. |
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| 04:01.15 | cheal | peterS: jack doesn't stop kde 3.4's transition particularly. the official modules didn't even build on all arches yet |
| 04:01.16 | whitehorse1 | How about the "other places"? |
| 04:01.36 | cheal | kram_gniretar: for a better idea of when kde 3.4 goes to testing see #debian-kde |
| 04:01.37 | sward | Guerin: I can only guess.. Yet Another Fsckin' Media Player? |
| 04:01.40 | peterS | cheal: jack on its own doesn't. but the jack mess has been going on for a good couple of months so it's a nice scapegoat |
| 04:01.49 | Guerin | !win sward |
| 04:01.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, sward! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 04:01.59 | sward | Woo! |
| 04:02.20 | Guerin | why anyone would want an itunes clone I still have no idea |
| 04:02.31 | cheal | peterS: hum, is this the problem about two different versions? |
| 04:02.48 | beinsane | my noob question du jour: is there any way to send a bug report without displaying my address on a publically accessible website for all the spambots of the world to harvest? |
| 04:02.57 | Elly | Guerin, it plays .m4a files |
| 04:03.05 | peterS | cheal: well, it's probably related to that, since that caused kind of a jam-up of everything around it |
| 04:03.11 | Guerin | Elly: so does cplay or xmms |
| 04:03.13 | beinsane | (email address, of course) |
| 04:03.17 | whitehorse1 | Elly Nope, not in either of the two unofficial places... though there're plenty of media players with other names. I'm sure some of them play m4a things |
| 04:04.00 | sward | beinsane: Change your From address, don't hope to receive any email if you don't receive mail sent to that address though |
| 04:04.13 | whitehorse1 | beinsane: gmail/yahoo temporary address? yahoo mail plus ($£ service) allows you to attach temp addresses to your primary account, but you'd have to have that premium service |
| 04:04.28 | sward | unless you set a reply to address |
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| 04:04.59 | Guerin | beinsane: use a disposable address |
| 04:05.08 | whitehorse1 | Why Debian thinks desktop users will want 5million pdf reader programs installed, is anyone's guess :/ |
| 04:05.10 | beinsane | Okay, gotcha. |
| 04:05.28 | Guerin | whitehorse1: most of them are probably just alternate fronts to the same lib |
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| 04:05.51 | yoyo | hi, how do I unload a kernel while it's running? |
| 04:06.01 | whitehorse1 | Guerin Yep, the gnome one is to xpdf I've found. But then there's kde's ... then ad ... |
| 04:06.25 | peterS | whitehorse1: it's one of those things - the canonical pdf reader is xpdf but since it's Motif-based, people think it's ugly. so everyone thinks the thing to do is rewrite it, but that turns out to be harder than it looks, thus you get 5 million programs that all suck in different ways. and xpdf which works quite well despite its relative ugliness |
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| 04:07.18 | xsquared | hi fellas... has anyone successfully compiled MUTE in debian successfully? |
| 04:07.30 | rares000 | linux is working the way I want it to but I forgot how I got it to do so |
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| 04:08.05 | Guerin | whitehorse1: well, why anyone would want both gnome and kde is beyond me... |
| 04:08.18 | rares000 | when I create users via virtualmin it creates /home/group/user but I don't remember how I told it to do that |
| 04:08.23 | Guerin | xsquared: is it not in debian? |
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| 04:08.31 | xsquared | Guerin: no it isn't :'-( |
| 04:08.49 | whitehorse1 | peters: ah makes sense |
| 04:08.54 | xsquared | and i agree.. Open/Flux Box's > all |
| 04:08.54 | Guerin | xsquared: i built it from source ages ago, but not recently, and I've not used it. |
| 04:09.09 | xsquared | Guerin: do you use something else? |
| 04:09.18 | Guerin | xsquared: for what? |
| 04:09.23 | whitehorse1 | Mute=? |
| 04:09.26 | xsquared | Guerin: p2p |
| 04:09.36 | xsquared | Mute-net.sf.net |
| 04:09.38 | Guerin | !fgi whitehorse1 mute+linux |
| 04:09.39 | dpkg | whitehorse1: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=mute+linux |
| 04:09.46 | Guerin | xsquared: bittorrent |
| 04:09.49 | xsquared | thats awesome |
| 04:10.14 | Elly | no azureus? :O |
| 04:10.18 | xsquared | Guerin: bittorrent is good.. what client do you use? |
| 04:10.29 | Guerin | xsquared: rtorrent |
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| 04:10.38 | Guerin | azureus is nasty |
| 04:10.48 | Elly | I love azureus |
| 04:10.49 | whitehorse1 | I don't really care what it is, someone else asked about it. I'm not so keen to know all about some program I've never heard of before or likely need, that I'll wade through search results and search engine spam. If you've nothing nice to say...? |
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| 04:11.22 | Guerin | whitehorse1: but you were happy to spend a minute or two typing up a whine about it. |
| 04:11.46 | whitehorse1 | Guerin Let's hope you're a better man for it then shall we. |
| 04:12.02 | Guerin | ... |
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| 04:12.29 | whitehorse1 | There's a mutella p2p package in testing anyway, xsquared |
| 04:12.37 | xsquared | Guerin: is rtorrent in the debian repositories? or did you build it yourself? |
| 04:12.44 | Guerin | xsquared: both. |
| 04:12.55 | xsquared | whitehorse1: i don't want to touch gnutella |
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| 04:13.22 | Elly | no java?? |
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| 04:13.48 | xsquared | Guerin: i have been using bittornado recently and it uses python |
| 04:14.01 | xsquared | its been chewing through memory and cpu time like its going out of fashion |
| 04:14.23 | Guerin | xsquared: yeah. bittornado burns far too much ram and cpu, and is much too flakey, and has an utterly worthless curses ui, for my use. |
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| 04:16.55 | xsquared | Guerin: damn.. rTorrent is not in testing |
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| 04:17.56 | Guerin | xsquared: upstream builds cleanly using checkinstall; the sid sources should be fine. |
| 04:18.04 | whitehorse1 | xsqaured might be deb binaries elsewhere thoiugh. appreciate that's not same thing tho |
| 04:18.19 | xsquared | yeah |
| 04:18.25 | whitehorse1 | oh, didnt realise it was in sid. ignore that then |
| 04:18.26 | xsquared | thanx |
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| 04:19.46 | xsquared | Guerin: do you mind if i pm'd you? |
| 04:19.52 | Guerin | xsquared: proceed |
| 04:20.02 | Elly | sigh |
| 04:20.20 | whitehorse1 | Elly: sup? |
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| 04:20.34 | whitehorse1 | Or was that a general sigh |
| 04:21.50 | Elly | that was a 'azureus is not compatible with JamVM' sigh |
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| 04:22.19 | whitehorse1 | Elly You could always use Sun's Java implementation, if you are okay with doing that? |
| 04:22.32 | xsquared | Elly: there is an azureus deb file in contrib |
| 04:22.34 | xsquared | in testing |
| 04:22.36 | whitehorse1 | Elly I installed the deb binary for it today, took two mins |
| 04:22.50 | xsquared | apt-get install azureus |
| 04:22.58 | whitehorse1 | xsquared: It requires Java though, is her point |
| 04:22.58 | Guerin | actually |
| 04:23.07 | cj | I'm going to be in Seattle this weekend. Anyone feel like signing my gpg key? |
| 04:23.09 | Elly | I'm not a her |
| 04:23.11 | Guerin | azureus is supposed to work with gcj |
| 04:23.17 | whitehorse1 | And there's the whole licensing thang. |
| 04:23.20 | xsquared | whitehorse1: LOL. |
| 04:23.31 | Elly | and azureus does not work without the actual sun JVM |
| 04:23.32 | xsquared | you got told. |
| 04:23.42 | Guerin | gcj obviated the java licensing issue, if your chosen app works with it |
| 04:23.53 | Elly | whatever |
| 04:23.53 | whitehorse1 | The version I've always used required **a** Java runtime env |
| 04:23.56 | Elly | I'll sort this out tomorrow |
| 04:24.03 | xsquared | Elly: it doesn't take much to install the Sun JRE |
| 04:24.09 | whitehorse1 | Elly 1 sec and I can give you the repositroy for the sun jre deb |
| 04:24.45 | whitehorse1 | elly http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 04:24.53 | whitehorse1 | elly bye then |
| 04:25.21 | whitehorse1 | elly anyway, it has a sun jre debian binary on it you can install tomorrow if you want. :shrugL |
| 04:25.44 | kram_gniretar | anyone know wher ei can find a "whats new in KDE 3.4.x" and a "Whats new in 3.5B1" |
| 04:25.45 | kram_gniretar | ? |
| 04:26.01 | xsquared | pfft. KDE. |
| 04:26.02 | Guerin | kram_gniretar: kde.org, or #kde |
| 04:26.02 | whitehorse1 | kram_gniretar: www.kde.org |
| 04:26.16 | kram_gniretar | lol |
| 04:26.19 | kram_gniretar | i'm at kde.org |
| 04:26.21 | kram_gniretar | i cant find it |
| 04:26.25 | Guerin | kram_gniretar: oh well. |
| 04:26.39 | whitehorse1 | kram_gniretar: pfft. google.com and site:kde.org searchterm |
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| 04:27.34 | xsquared | or even better |
| 04:27.39 | xsquared | http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=site:kde.org searchterm |
| 04:28.04 | whitehorse1 | xsquared "No need for potty mouth" |
| 04:28.25 | xsquared | meh. |
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| 04:32.37 | cj | Anyone feel like meeting in Seattle to sign my pgp key? |
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| 04:35.40 | peterS | cj: give me $400 or so and I'll fly there and do it (: |
| 04:35.51 | cj | peterS: you're a sweetheart :) |
| 04:36.06 | peterS | cj: my signature is of little value, I'm not connected to the main web of trust at all |
| 04:36.17 | peterS | i.e., my signature is worth considerably less than $400 |
| 04:36.25 | cj | peterS: I'll give you $2.50 for your trouble, then if you decide to do it. |
| 04:36.52 | peterS | cj: hmmm. a bit less than a gallon of gas. I'll have to think about whether I can travel 3500 miles round trip for that much |
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| 04:37.32 | whitehorse1 | Maybe the map of debian developers lists someone in seattle? |
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| 04:38.31 | Guerin | cj: ask on debian-devel mailing list, maybe |
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| 04:38.56 | peterS | debian-project would be more appropriate |
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| 04:38.59 | cj | Guerin: thanks. My mail server is b0rked as of right now, so I can't really manage a mailing list subscription. |
| 04:39.08 | peterS | but there's some kind of keysigning request page out there somewhere that tracks these things |
| 04:39.15 | peterS | not the one at biglumber.com though that exists too |
| 04:39.17 | cj | Guerin: don't suppose your last name is Austin... |
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| 04:39.18 | Guerin | cj: no gmail!!?!?1 |
| 04:39.25 | Guerin | cj: nope. |
| 04:39.27 | delcides | hi everyone |
| 04:39.33 | peterS | cj: his last name is guerin (: |
| 04:39.42 | Guerin | bizarrely |
| 04:39.46 | BlueLotus | Hey, anyone know how to configure an xterm in debian/KDE like you would an ETerm in enlightenment? I know it's been done before... |
| 04:39.46 | cj | Guerin: bah. I don't want to manage two subscriptions to the list, either. Plus, this gives me incentive to un-b0rk my server |
| 04:39.49 | peterS | yeah, I never figured that one out |
| 04:40.02 | tereais | can someone help me out with this compile error that i'm having? i know that i have libpng and the dev installed but the autogen script doesn't seem to find it. |
| 04:40.08 | Guerin | BlueLotus: man xresources |
| 04:40.11 | delcides | is there anybody who could help me with an alsa problem ? |
| 04:40.27 | Guerin | tereais: tell the configure script precisely where to look |
| 04:40.29 | ulme | how do you nicely go from 2.4 to 2.6 on sarge? |
| 04:40.33 | Guerin | delcides: depends ont eh problem |
| 04:40.34 | xsquared | delcides: don't ask, just ask the question |
| 04:40.36 | peterS | delcides: probably but not until you say what the problem is |
| 04:40.42 | BlueLotus | Oh... Thankyou Guerin |
| 04:40.44 | ulme | just install the 2.6 kernel package as on redhat? |
| 04:40.45 | cj | Guerin: there was a girl in junior high school named Guerin Austin (I hear she's a big-time ice skater these days) who had a crush on me. I was so ineptly stunned that I offended her, and she decided not to talk to me any more. |
| 04:40.48 | Guerin | ulme: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386; done |
| 04:40.53 | cj | Guerin: I thought this might be my chance to make it up :) |
| 04:40.55 | ulme | ok |
| 04:40.55 | delcides | ok peterS :-) |
| 04:41.01 | Guerin | cj: ha! |
| 04:41.13 | peterS | haha |
| 04:41.20 | tereais | should i use --with-libpng? |
| 04:41.31 | cj | tereais: why not?! I love png! |
| 04:41.35 | Guerin | cj: for the $400 peterS mentioned, I can pretend ... |
| 04:41.40 | tereais | i'll give it a shot |
| 04:41.59 | cj | Guerin: Hmm... you're on... but I'm $2.50 short if peterS shows up. |
| 04:42.13 | delcides | I'm trying to use gkrellmss to monitor the card - but CPU just shots to 100% till I kill gkrellm |
| 04:42.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:42.16 | peterS | cj: oh, this would be entertaining enough, I'd refund your $2.50 |
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| 04:42.40 | delcides | xmms works fine with it |
| 04:42.43 | c_olin | how would i go about mounting a USB flash drive on debian |
| 04:42.54 | Guerin | unfortunately, the cost of me getting to seattle would be rather more than $400 |
| 04:42.57 | cj | c_olin: plug it in? :) |
| 04:43.02 | Guerin | !tell colin about usb storage |
| 04:43.02 | c_olin | yeah |
| 04:43.07 | c_olin | the first step |
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| 04:43.16 | c_olin | how do i mount it? |
| 04:43.25 | Guerin | c_olin: read your messages |
| 04:43.28 | delcides | mount /dev/sda /mnt/somewhere |
| 04:43.33 | c_olin | didnt get a msg |
| 04:43.39 | cj | Guerin: let's call it off, then. I rather like being able to feed my family, and would not likely be able to do so if I spent that money... : |
| 04:43.42 | cj | ) |
| 04:43.46 | zorba64 | c_olin: #dmesg |
| 04:43.49 | whitehorse1 | ulme: And after you've found it boots okay perhaps # dpkg --purge --force-remove-essential kernel-image-NNN |
| 04:43.56 | tereais | still no luck here's the error: ./configure: line 21586: syntax error near unexpected token `PNG,' |
| 04:43.56 | tereais | ./configure: line 21586: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(PNG, libpng12 >= 1.2.0,' |
| 04:43.57 | delcides | usually appears as a /dev/sd* |
| 04:43.57 | xsquared | !tell c_olin about usb storage |
| 04:43.57 | swappa | hey guys, can some one help me to configure lilo/grub? |
| 04:44.08 | Guerin | cj: feeding families is cool... my wife might have a few words to say about it, too. |
| 04:44.11 | cj | tereais: don't forget the -dev package |
| 04:44.11 | zorba64 | swappa: which one? |
| 04:44.13 | c_olin | thank you :) |
| 04:44.39 | Guerin | tereais: what version of libpng*-dev do you have? |
| 04:44.40 | cj | tereais: -dev packages usually include the .pc file (which PKG_CHECK_MODULES is likely complaining about) |
| 04:45.18 | tereais | pkg-config returns 1.2.8 |
| 04:45.34 | swappa | i "don't even know yet" lame huh? |
| 04:45.53 | cj | Ha! Not only an ice skater, but also a model! |
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| 04:45.56 | cj | http://www.celebritybattles.com/celeb/Guerin+Austin |
| 04:46.06 | swappa | ...but i've still gota do it.. so |
| 04:46.17 | zorba64 | swappa: grub is the default...what needs configuring? |
| 04:46.44 | c_olin | do i have to restart after changing my fstab? |
| 04:46.49 | tereais | i ran apt-get and got libpng12-dev but still nothing |
| 04:46.54 | swappa | grub the blue screen with 5 or so options? |
| 04:46.54 | zorba64 | c_olin: nope |
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| 04:47.16 | Guerin | cj: "But it ain't mee, babe / Naw, naw, naw, it ain't meeeee, babe ..." |
| 04:47.17 | zorba64 | swappa: sounds right...what do you want to do to it? |
| 04:47.19 | whitehorse1 | Guerin Austin ~ Miss Nebraska USA 2004 |
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| 04:47.37 | delcides | anybody using gkrellmss+alsa ? |
| 04:47.59 | tereais | any other ideas? |
| 04:48.01 | c_olin | bluebox:/home/colin# mount /dev/sda /mnt/usb |
| 04:48.01 | c_olin | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 04:48.09 | c_olin | what filesystem? |
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| 04:48.37 | swappa | it's set to go to 4windows @~7seconds -I want it to go to 1linux @3seconds |
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| 04:48.47 | peterS | cj: heh, not bad. I've seen a picture of the Guerin you're talking to, I think I could tell them apart pretty easily |
| 04:49.11 | delcides | c_olin: did it come from Windows ? Try vfat |
| 04:49.13 | llama32 | anyone know of a small, open source (or at least flexible license), scripting library for C applications? any language for scripts really, preferably C-ish |
| 04:49.26 | c_olin | vfat is an unknown filesystem |
| 04:49.43 | zorba64 | swappa: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst as root and change the default # to what you want to boot first |
| 04:50.11 | c_olin | bluebox:/home/colin/projects/fourteen/src# mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 /mnt/usb |
| 04:50.12 | c_olin | mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat' |
| 04:50.14 | zorba64 | c_olin: u sure it is /dev/sda |
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| 04:50.24 | c_olin | i tried /dev/sda1-4 |
| 04:50.42 | c_olin | but no, im not sure it is sda |
| 04:50.46 | c_olin | how can i be sure? |
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| 04:50.56 | peterS | c_olin: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 04:51.03 | swappa | ok, and is the timer easy to spot also? |
| 04:51.16 | c_olin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.16 | c_olin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.16 | c_olin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.16 | c_olin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.16 | c_olin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:51.26 | swappa | (same file?) |
| 04:51.32 | peterS | c_olin: if it doesn't show sda at all, you probably still need to load the 'sd_mod' module |
| 04:51.32 | c_olin | says nothing about sda |
| 04:51.40 | c_olin | i modprobed it |
| 04:51.41 | peterS | c_olin: along with usb-storage which I suppose you've got already |
| 04:51.55 | peterS | c_olin: does the drive show up in /proc/scsi/scsi? don't paste here please (: |
| 04:52.02 | concept10 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:52.10 | peterS | concept10: load average |
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| 04:52.19 | c_olin | peterS: nope.... |
| 04:52.20 | peterS | concept10: how many processes, on average, are in line for CPU time |
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| 04:52.36 | concept10 | hmmm... |
| 04:52.38 | c_olin | hmm.... how can i makesure i have the usb-storage and sd_mod modules loaded? |
| 04:52.41 | zeeble | heyas. |
| 04:52.44 | delcides | lsmod |
| 04:52.44 | peterS | c_olin: 'lsmod' |
| 04:53.05 | peterS | c_olin: also, you need the USB host controller driver(s). do you have *those* loaded? names vary depending on hardware and kernel version |
| 04:53.06 | c_olin | they are both there |
| 04:53.19 | c_olin | host controller drivers? |
| 04:53.26 | peterS | c_olin: what kernel version have you got? then do this: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
| 04:53.32 | Guerin | isn't the vfat stuff in dosfs-utils or something |
| 04:53.35 | swappa | okeydoke thanx zorba, peace"" |
| 04:53.45 | peterS | c_olin: the latter command will tell you about UHCI, OHCI and/or EHCI |
| 04:54.02 | c_olin | kernel version is... |
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| 04:54.15 | c_olin | 2.6.12.5 |
| 04:54.23 | c_olin | [OHCI]) |
| 04:54.23 | c_olin | [EHCI]) |
| 04:54.32 | c_olin | is that the info you needed? |
| 04:54.38 | peterS | c_olin: ok so you need the modules 'ohci_hcd' and 'ehci_hcd' |
| 04:54.41 | peterS | yes |
| 04:54.48 | c_olin | erg |
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| 04:55.19 | c_olin | i hate messing with kernel/modules :( |
| 04:56.02 | peterS | c_olin: you really shouldn't have to, this stuff should've been loaded automatically for you. for some reason perhaps it was not. so we're working through that |
| 04:56.26 | c_olin | 'ehci_hcd' exists |
| 04:56.38 | c_olin | and is loaded |
| 04:56.38 | Guerin | c_olin: why are you not using a debian kernel? |
| 04:56.41 | c_olin | but ohci_hcd does not |
| 04:56.57 | c_olin | needed a newer one? |
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| 04:57.03 | peterS | c_olin: you need both. ehci_hcd only works with USB 2.0 devices. your drive might be USB 1.1 |
| 04:57.11 | Guerin | c_olin: not newer; any debian kernel would do. |
| 04:57.12 | c_olin | ughhh |
| 04:57.54 | peterS | c_olin: basically your hardware will talk USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 both, but in order to do that you need both ohci_hcd and ehci_hcd. |
| 04:58.11 | c_olin | ok, ill just try to get ohci_hdc |
| 04:58.14 | c_olin | hcd* |
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| 04:59.14 | peterS | c_olin: if you are sure your USB drive is, in fact, USB 2.0, then the problem might be something else. but yeah, you'll want ohci_hcd anyway, in case you get other USB devices like a mouse (mice aren't USB 2.0 as a rule, there's no need - they need very little data bandwidth anyway) |
| 04:59.14 | diswill1 | need Help with debain sarge that is not booting |
| 04:59.18 | jeff_ | What's the best FTP program to use with Debian? Something that supports drag and drop. |
| 04:59.41 | diswill1 | I use Kbear for ftp |
| 04:59.42 | c_olin | im pretty sure it is 1.1 actually |
| 04:59.47 | peterS | c_olin: *nod* |
| 05:00.05 | jeff_ | I used to use kbear but it seems pretty bloated... is there something lighter? |
| 05:00.12 | c_olin | where is ohci_hcd located in the kernel config? |
| 05:00.46 | peterS | c_olin: device drivers -> usb -> host controllers, or something |
| 05:01.00 | diswill1 | jeff: I have not found any other I like at this time. |
| 05:01.13 | Guerin | jeff_: the best ftp client doesn't support drag and drop |
| 05:01.29 | Guerin | jeff_: gftp is another gui one, but the best one is lftp |
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| 05:01.41 | peterS | c_olin: ahh, device drivers -> usb support -> "OHCI HCD support" |
| 05:02.37 | c_olin | yeah |
| 05:02.38 | c_olin | i found it :) |
| 05:02.45 | c_olin | i can just do a make modules_install |
| 05:02.46 | c_olin | right? |
| 05:02.50 | c_olin | without compiling a new kernel |
| 05:03.02 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 05:03.02 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who ask about compiling their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 05:03.05 | peterS | c_olin: well, run 'make modules' first, I don't know if modules_install implies that |
| 05:03.10 | diswill1 | Can some one help me with a LILO problem on Debain Sarge. I can only acces the system with a knoppix live cd. |
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| 05:03.29 | c_olin | yeah... ok |
| 05:03.31 | c_olin | i get it |
| 05:03.37 | Guerin | diswill1: details |
| 05:03.43 | peterS | c_olin: but yeah, if that's the only thing you change (*and*, for example, you didn't switch between gcc 3.3 and gcc 4.0 since you last compiled) you shouldn't need to reboot or anything |
| 05:03.44 | cafuego_ | !info user-mode-linux |
| 05:03.50 | diswill1 | LILO Stops at LI |
| 05:03.53 | dpkg | user-mode-linux: (User-mode Linux (kernel)), section misc, is extra. Version: 2.4.26-3um-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2886 kB, Installed size: 7396 kB |
| 05:03.54 | c_olin | ok sweet |
| 05:04.00 | diswill1 | I think the boot.b file is bad |
| 05:04.08 | cafuego_ | grt^%@!$& |
| 05:04.11 | c_olin | its not as time consuming as i thought it was |
| 05:04.12 | c_olin | lol |
| 05:04.23 | diswill1 | file structure is etx2 on hdb |
| 05:04.41 | diswill1 | Partition in 3 parts root var home |
| 05:04.52 | diswill1 | umm 4 parts swap |
| 05:04.55 | Guerin | !li |
| 05:04.55 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 05:05.02 | Guerin | diswill1: there's your answer |
| 05:05.04 | cafuego_ | How come sarge has uml-utilites but not user-mode-linux? |
| 05:05.28 | diswill1 | system ran fine for 6 months before failing |
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| 05:06.15 | diswill1 | No rescue disk available. can only access file via knoppix at this time |
| 05:06.25 | peterS | knoppix works |
| 05:06.39 | diswill1 | a live cd dist... yes |
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| 05:06.54 | peterS | you can mount the root filesystem then do 'chroot /mnt bash' then get your work done, including rerunning lilo or what have you |
| 05:07.13 | diswill1 | I will do that and be back soon |
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| 05:09.28 | inkypinky | guys if I have some hardware that I want to donate to debian then how can I do that?? |
| 05:09.44 | diswill1 | I have dependancy problems trying /mnt/hdb1/sbin/lilo -r /mnt/hdb1. I will have the problem file soon. |
| 05:09.48 | john | you send it to me, and i'll make sure it goes to the right place (my systems) |
| 05:09.52 | john | lol j/p, unsure |
| 05:10.03 | Dewi | what's the best filesystem for accessibility to both windows and linux? |
| 05:10.04 | peterS | inkypinky: email leader@debian.org with your offer. that'll get to branden robinson. or you can talk to him on irc if you can catch him, /msg overfiend |
| 05:10.38 | bob2 | Dewi: vfat aka fat32 |
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| 05:10.52 | bob2 | there's a specific person for hardware donations |
| 05:10.58 | Dewi | bob2: I feared that might be the answer. What's it's real maximum disk size? |
| 05:11.02 | Dewi | s/it's/its/ |
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| 05:11.08 | peterS | bob2: oh, is there? I thought the offers all seemed to funnel through the dpl |
| 05:11.35 | bob2 | Dewi: I don't know, but windows seems to artificially limit it |
| 05:11.53 | Dewi | bob2: yeah, to 50gb iirc |
| 05:11.54 | Dewi | er 40 |
| 05:12.06 | Dewi | but I think if you give it bigger it handles it |
| 05:12.20 | bob2 | inkypinky: http://www.us.debian.org/donations |
| 05:13.12 | bob2 | peterS: well, robster is nominally in charge of it |
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| 05:13.21 | bob2 | maybe that changed |
| 05:13.36 | peterS | *nod*, it does seem like the sort of position that would be delegated |
| 05:13.47 | fjkadfooo | what repositories should I use to apt-get mplayer/kplayer and vlc? |
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| 05:14.07 | bob2 | fjkadfooo: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 05:14.20 | Guerin | fjkadfooo: vlc is in debian. marillat has mplayer and gmplayer, but not kplayer. |
| 05:14.44 | fjkadfooo | Guerin, where can I get kplayer? |
| 05:15.08 | Guerin | fjkadfooo: no idea. |
| 05:15.49 | bob2 | the kde people *really* made an mplayer frontend called "kplayer"? |
| 05:15.56 | diswill1 | HMMM it did something different Or I did. Let me test. I think it is fixed |
| 05:16.01 | Guerin | bob2: yup. |
| 05:16.29 | Guerin | bob2: and what's more, it adds NOTHING to gmplayer, which itself is WORSE than the cli frontend. |
| 05:16.50 | bob2 | haha |
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| 05:16.56 | inkypinky | the list of wanted hardware is kinda scary and I am just and individual with a dual P3 workstation that I want to donate u think there is any need for that kind of hardware or it will just collect dust :( |
| 05:17.02 | foo | What could I do to watch windows media player streams in firefox? |
| 05:17.07 | diswill1 | It worked I learned somethin' finnally |
| 05:17.13 | peterS | someone, somewhere, has an automated Gtk2 <-> Qt4 API translator, don't they? |
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| 05:17.18 | peterS | I wonder if it renames your package automatically too |
| 05:17.19 | Guerin | foo: why would you use a web browser to watch video? |
| 05:17.27 | mypapit | foo, install mplayer-firefox plugin |
| 05:17.32 | foo | Guerin: CNN stream about the Rita sitation |
| 05:17.35 | foo | situation |
| 05:17.41 | mypapit | foo, you need to install w32codec too |
| 05:17.59 | foo | E: Couldn't find package mplayer-firefox |
| 05:18.00 | Guerin | foo: grab the url using view source and play it in mplayer. You'll need w32codecs from marillat or elsewhere. |
| 05:18.13 | Guerin | mozilla-mplayer, i think |
| 05:18.14 | foo | Guerin: Hmm, good idea. |
| 05:18.14 | bob2 | inkypinky: I'm sure it would be appreciated :) |
| 05:18.17 | foo | w32codecs is already the newest version. |
| 05:18.29 | Guerin | foo: but my way is better, and less liable to break horribly. |
| 05:18.38 | foo | Guerin: mplayer urlhere ? |
| 05:19.19 | c_olin | Linux hates me.... |
| 05:19.21 | c_olin | bluebox:/usr/src/linux# locate ohci-hcd |grep lib |
| 05:19.21 | c_olin | /lib/modules/2.6.12.5/kernel/drivers/usb/host/ohci-hcd.ko |
| 05:19.21 | c_olin | bluebox:/usr/src/linux# modprobe ohci-hcd |
| 05:19.21 | c_olin | FATAL: Module ohci_hcd not found. |
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| 05:19.25 | Guerin | foo: yup. or, if the connection is slow, you can use mimms to dump the stream to disk, wait a few minutes to let it get ahead, and then play the file in mplayer. |
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| 05:19.40 | c_olin | any ideas on that? |
| 05:19.41 | c_olin | lol |
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| 05:19.51 | Guerin | c_olin: use a debian kernel. |
| 05:20.03 | foo | eHmm, I see |
| 05:20.06 | c_olin | I shouldnt have to |
| 05:20.13 | Guerin | c_olin: you apparently DO have to. |
| 05:20.28 | Guerin | foo: hint: select the link, and view selection source |
| 05:20.29 | FluFlo | c_olin, do modprobe -l|grep ohci |
| 05:20.37 | Guerin | foo: probably an asx with some urls in it |
| 05:20.40 | c_olin | bluebox:/usr/src/linux# modprobe -l|grep ohci |
| 05:20.40 | c_olin | /lib/modules/2.6.12.5/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/ohci1394.ko |
| 05:20.50 | FluFlo | c_olin, got it |
| 05:20.55 | FluFlo | c_olin, uname -a |
| 05:20.57 | peterS | c_olin: what you want is to run 'depmod -a' |
| 05:21.06 | FluFlo | wich kernel are you using? |
| 05:21.13 | c_olin | bluebox:/usr/src/linux# uname -a |
| 05:21.13 | c_olin | Linux bluebox 2.6.12.5 #1 Thu Aug 18 15:25:40 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 05:21.21 | peterS | c_olin: running a debian kernel really *is* a lot less painful, though, just so you know |
| 05:21.33 | FluFlo | c_olin, yeah, run depmod -a |
| 05:21.34 | foo | Guerin: It's here somewhere.. http://i.cnn.net/cnn/.element/ssi/js/1.3/videoplayer.js .. eek. Hmm, any ideas? |
| 05:21.39 | foo | mozilla-mplayer didn't solve the problem |
| 05:21.39 | c_olin | ok, i ran depmod -a |
| 05:21.40 | foo | hmm |
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| 05:21.42 | c_olin | now what? |
| 05:21.45 | peterS | now what? |
| 05:21.47 | peterS | now try it |
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| 05:21.57 | c_olin | try what, mounting my usb device? |
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| 05:22.01 | peterS | try loading the module |
| 05:22.10 | peterS | you know ... |
| 05:22.16 | peterS | the thing you said failed a moment ago so you had to get help |
| 05:22.18 | c_olin | sweet |
| 05:22.19 | c_olin | it loaded |
| 05:22.37 | peterS | now 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' should list your usb drive |
| 05:22.47 | peterS | with any luck. and so will 'cat /proc/partitions' |
| 05:22.48 | foo | Guerin: http://www.cnn.com/ - just click "Latest on Rita" |
| 05:22.48 | foo | hmm |
| 05:23.15 | c_olin | shows something.... scsi0 blah blah |
| 05:23.38 | c_olin | now what? |
| 05:24.02 | peterS | /proc/partitions will not show scsi0 blah blah |
| 05:24.13 | peterS | it'll show the drives and partitions the kernel knows about |
| 05:24.17 | c_olin | ok |
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| 05:24.28 | c_olin | it shows sda |
| 05:24.29 | c_olin | :D |
| 05:24.34 | inkypinky | does the amd64 debian 2.6.12 kernel have the fbsplash patches ?? |
| 05:24.37 | c_olin | in /pro/partitions |
| 05:24.39 | peterS | if it also shows sda1, use that. if it doesn't, don't |
| 05:24.46 | c_olin | it doesnt |
| 05:24.46 | c_olin | lol |
| 05:25.07 | peterS | some usb-storage devices come with partition tables, some don't. if yours doesn't, you just use the whole disk, which is sda. |
| 05:25.13 | c_olin | crap... |
| 05:25.18 | c_olin | still get... |
| 05:25.19 | c_olin | bluebox:/usr/src/linux# mount /dev/sda /mnt/usb |
| 05:25.19 | c_olin | mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat' |
| 05:25.26 | peterS | blah |
| 05:25.33 | c_olin | dont tell me have to compile built in vfat support |
| 05:25.33 | c_olin | lol |
| 05:25.36 | peterS | don't tell me you forgot to compile in support for MS-DOS filesystems |
| 05:25.49 | peterS | specifically the vfat module, which handles long filenames (new to windows 95) |
| 05:25.55 | fjkadfooo | Guerin, I have that marillat in my sources list and I just added the new one, but mplayer still won't apt-get :(, |
| 05:26.04 | c_olin | meh |
| 05:26.07 | peterS | vfat is another kernel module. since you asked for the vfat filesystem, it should have tried to load it |
| 05:26.15 | peterS | since it failed, I guess you don't have it available |
| 05:26.26 | peterS | if you're happy with 8.3 names, maybe you remembered to compile in the 'msdos' filesystem module |
| 05:26.31 | nvz | c_olin: try fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 05:27.02 | c_olin | it outputs a bunch of crap |
| 05:27.12 | c_olin | meh, ill forget about this tonight... and ill installa debian kernel tomorow |
| 05:27.13 | Guerin | fjkadfooo: aptitude search mplayer |
| 05:27.14 | nvz | c_olin: what kernel version are you using also? |
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| 05:27.19 | c_olin | what is the newest debian kernel? |
| 05:27.25 | Guerin | foo: i'm getting timeouts on cnn.com anyway |
| 05:27.25 | c_olin | im using 2.6.12.5 |
| 05:27.31 | peterS | c_olin: in unstable? 2.6.12-8 |
| 05:27.38 | fjkadfooo | Guerin, only mplayer-doc comes up |
| 05:27.41 | c_olin | and in stable? |
| 05:27.45 | nvz | c_olin: seems you left out vfat support |
| 05:27.47 | foo | Guerin: Uh ... www.cnn.com ? There is something wrong on your side if it isn't working. |
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| 05:27.53 | peterS | in stable, 2.6.8-something |
| 05:27.58 | c_olin | and how do i install it? |
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| 05:28.14 | peterS | c_olin: if you're already using unstable, 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-686' or similar |
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| 05:28.29 | peterS | you can get a list of eligible kernels with 'apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.12' |
| 05:28.40 | c_olin | ok |
| 05:28.45 | c_olin | thanks a bunch |
| 05:28.49 | c_olin | and it is precompiled? |
| 05:28.50 | foo | Guerin: Got it |
| 05:28.51 | foo | Thanks |
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| 05:29.08 | c_olin | with a bunch of modules? lol |
| 05:29.09 | peterS | c_olin: there *is* an alternative, btw....... |
| 05:29.20 | phantomcircuit | hello c_olin |
| 05:29.21 | phantomcircuit | :P |
| 05:29.22 | peterS | c_olin: well, the modules are for things that don't ship with the base kernel tree, external stuff |
| 05:29.33 | c_olin | phantomcircuit: rotfl hey |
| 05:29.33 | peterS | c_olin: the alternative is to install and use the 'mtools' package |
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| 05:29.53 | peterS | c_olin: it provides ms-dos-like commands for FAT removable media, without need for kernel vfat support |
| 05:29.53 | Guerin | fjkadfooo: mplayer-386 |
| 05:30.07 | c_olin | meh i dont think i need the alternative... ill just install the newest debian kernel tomorow |
| 05:30.21 | c_olin | and see what happends... and then come here and ask more questions when everthing fails :P |
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| 05:30.23 | inkypinky | I have found module-assistant to be pretty good for external module and proprietary drivers |
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| 05:30.27 | peterS | c_olin: install mtools then edit /etc/mtools.conf like so: drive u: file="/dev/sda" |
| 05:30.30 | Guerin | !kill phantomcircuit |
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| 05:30.36 | nvz | phantomcircuit: that was dumb |
| 05:30.43 | peterS | c_olin: also you'll probably want a line mtools_lower_case=1 |
| 05:30.50 | peterS | c_olin: and possibly mtools_skip_check=1 |
| 05:31.04 | phantomcircuit | yeah |
| 05:31.07 | peterS | c_olin: when you've done that, you can do "mdir u:" and friends, like mcopy |
| 05:31.08 | phantomcircuit | it probably was |
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| 05:31.49 | nvz | phantomcircuit: yeah 100% probability |
| 05:32.02 | peterS | c_olin: anyway, mtools isn't quite a substitute for being able to mount your drive directly, but it gets the job done if you don't want to mess with compiling kernel modules or installing another kernel tonight |
| 05:32.16 | c_olin | ill just try the debian kernel |
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| 05:32.19 | peterS | and to be honest I use both |
| 05:32.30 | peterS | like sometimes I mount my usb drive, sometimes I just use mtools |
| 05:32.35 | peterS | depends on my mood |
| 05:32.36 | c_olin | hmm |
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| 05:32.38 | c_olin | yeah |
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| 05:32.51 | c_olin | ill just install the debian kernel, since it will probably simplify other thingst oo |
| 05:32.57 | phantomcircuit | $str($chr(7),300) |
| 05:32.57 | foo | Guerin: I spoke too soon. It starts buffering ... stays at 0%, then goes to "Stopped." Hmm, I wish I could grab the URL like you are talking about |
| 05:32.57 | peterS | nice thing about mtools, you don't have to explicitly unmount when you're done, you just yank it out |
| 05:33.02 | phantomcircuit | ah |
| 05:33.06 | phantomcircuit | shit run away |
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| 05:33.14 | Guerin | foo: yeah, i've looked, and it's more obfuscated than usual |
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| 05:33.24 | Guerin | foo: try another network, maybe. |
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| 05:33.54 | Guerin | motherfuckers and their windows media obsession |
| 05:34.03 | foo | Guerin: err, I know. |
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| 05:34.13 | dfgesgw | Hi how can I fix this? an't locate Xmms/Remote.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 2) line 1. |
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| 05:34.34 | peterS | dfgesgw: apt-cache search xmms perl |
| 05:34.41 | peterS | dfgesgw: it'll tell you what you need to install |
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| 05:34.59 | foo | Guerin: Anyway I could check the logs and find out why it isn't working ? Or something? Is there logs for this? |
| 05:35.06 | Guerin | foo: no idea. |
| 05:35.32 | kataklysm | does anyone know what i can do to solve this problem when doing updates in synaptic: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base |
| 05:35.32 | kataklysm | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.53 | Guerin | kataklysm: don't mix sources. |
| 05:36.05 | kataklysm | Guerin: i didnt |
| 05:36.06 | nvz | hmm that was better than my response |
| 05:36.10 | Guerin | kataklysm: that package isn't in any debian version I'm aware of. |
| 05:36.16 | kataklysm | im not in debian |
| 05:36.19 | kataklysm | im in ubuntu |
| 05:36.19 | peterS | kataklysm: where on earth did you get a package named 'x-common' then? |
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| 05:36.22 | kataklysm | i asked in that room |
| 05:36.24 | kataklysm | but they didnt know |
| 05:36.25 | Guerin | kataklysm: then why are you asking in here? |
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| 05:36.29 | peterS | kataklysm: ok, go bug #ubuntu, it's not our problem and we can't help you |
| 05:36.31 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 05:36.31 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 05:36.50 | nvz | !they don't know |
| 05:36.50 | nvz | thats a jon b song, but apperently not a factoid |
| 05:36.50 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 05:36.54 | kataklysm | haha |
| 05:36.56 | dfgesgw | still got the same error |
| 05:37.03 | dfgesgw | I got the libxmms it wanted |
| 05:37.06 | kataklysm | you all gotta be dickheads??? |
| 05:37.12 | peterS | kataklysm: it's not about being dickheads |
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| 05:37.21 | nvz | kataklysm: you are the one being a unreasonable |
| 05:37.25 | peterS | kataklysm: it's about not being able to help you with a problem because it does not occur on debian |
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| 05:37.29 | nvz | kataklysm: we would _never_ have that problem |
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| 05:37.33 | Guerin | kataklysm: how should we know what ubuntu broke? |
| 05:37.36 | peterS | kataklysm: you're using ubuntu, and this is one of the things that would not have happened if you were using debian |
| 05:37.41 | kataklysm | ubuntu is a debian based distro, and if they dont know, then why not ask here? is there a problem with asking in here?? wtf is ur alls god damn problem?? |
| 05:37.51 | peterS | kataklysm: we're telling you why we can't help you. accept this. |
| 05:38.21 | Guerin | kataklysm: do you go to a porsche garage to get your VW fixed? |
| 05:38.21 | peterS | kataklysm: if it were a problem that occurs in both debian and ubuntu, we could probably help you. but it isn't. |
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| 05:38.31 | dfgesgw | I still got this error, Error loading '/home/electron/xcxm.pl': |
| 05:38.31 | dfgesgw | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.31 | dfgesgw | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.43 | peterS | dfgesgw: that's not the same error. try reading it. |
| 05:38.43 | kataklysm | yea i understand that you have outdated software and it dont get updated very often, but what the hell would be the cause of one package containing the same thing as another one?? |
| 05:38.54 | nvz | !+find Info.pm |
| 05:38.56 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:38.57 | peterS | kataklysm: because someone in ubuntu screwed up. it wasn't us. |
| 05:39.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Info.pm' (6 of 24): (/usr/share/perl5/cs/GNUInfo.pm) in doc/info2man ;; (/usr/share/perl5/Scoop/Ads/Info.pm) in web/scoop ;; (/usr/share/perl5/SVK/Command/Info.pm) in perl/svk ;; (/usr/share/spong/Spong/Info.pm) in net/spong-common ;; (/usr/share/otrs/Kernel/Modules/AgentInfo.pm) in web/otrs ;; (/usr/share/perl5/Irssi/XMMSInfo.pm) in net/irssi-scripts. |
| 05:39.09 | dfgesgw | mp3/info.pl ? |
| 05:39.17 | dfgesgw | do I need to put it in a mp3 dir? |
| 05:39.19 | peterS | kataklysm: don't blame your broken system on debian's outdated software. that's a really really bad tactic. |
| 05:39.20 | dfgesgw | wtf |
| 05:39.23 | kataklysm | peterS: but you cant be kind enough as to give a legitmate response, other than saying go there, go to google, blah |
| 05:39.24 | dfgesgw | ????????????????? |
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| 05:39.49 | peterS | kataklysm: our response is, this bug does not occur in debian. this is something we are sure of. as such, we have no idea how to fix it. |
| 05:39.56 | kataklysm | peterS: my system isnt broken! i just have one package that wont update and thats it, i really dont care if it gets updated or not... |
| 05:40.06 | kataklysm | i just wanted to have 0 updates left... |
| 05:40.22 | kataklysm | petreS that was a bettre response |
| 05:40.24 | peterS | kataklysm: as far as how to get back to a sane system, given the broken package, you can try 'dpkg --pending --configure --force-overwrite' |
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| 05:40.33 | kataklysm | peterS rather |
| 05:40.40 | dfgesgw | tell me |
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| 05:40.52 | foo | Guerin: Ah, it wasn't working because I had skype open. Just did a little test. Is there anyway to be able to use skype and chat while watching this? |
| 05:40.52 | peterS | kataklysm: --force-overwrite might help, might not. I'm not certain |
| 05:41.01 | kataklysm | thanks |
| 05:41.06 | kataklysm | thats what i was wanting to know |
| 05:41.17 | kataklysm | cuz i know that some people have had similar problems in debian |
| 05:41.23 | kataklysm | cuz they mix sources like somoene mentioned |
| 05:41.25 | peterS | kataklysm: come to think of it, that command probably won't do it. but try dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_*.deb |
| 05:41.29 | kataklysm | but that isnt my case |
| 05:41.57 | peterS | kataklysm: well, or replace x-common_*.deb with x-common_1.08_all.deb or whatever, in case you have more than one in there |
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| 05:42.15 | dfgesgw | HOW DO I FIX THIS ERROR!!!!!!!!!??????????!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:42.31 | dfgesgw | Error loading '/home/electron/xcxm.pl': |
| 05:42.35 | dfgesgw | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.35 | dfgesgw | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.37 | streuner | *plonk* |
| 05:42.38 | possie_ | when i run php from the command line, it doesn't understand mysql_connect() function, it says no-existing, but i have php4-mysql installed, anyone have an idea? |
| 05:42.42 | nvz | dfgesgw: shut up, ffs. mp3/info.pl and MP3/Info.pm are completly different things and reguardless your 3rd party perl scripts are off-topic here. Quit being a fucktard and pasting our you will be banned |
| 05:42.45 | dfgesgw | :) |
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| 05:43.03 | peterS | dfgesgw: apt-cache search mp3 info perl |
| 05:43.10 | dfgesgw | tell me how to fix it then |
| 05:43.20 | kataklysm | peterS: that worked!! see debian can help us ubuntu suers |
| 05:43.20 | dfgesgw | thanks |
| 05:43.21 | kataklysm | users* |
| 05:43.24 | peterS | dfgesgw: it gives the right answer and one false positive. you figure out which is which, it's not that hard |
| 05:43.25 | kataklysm | i appreciate it |
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| 05:43.28 | syli725 | I tried to use vncviewer -fullscreen to connect shared desktop server. basically, I just want to vncviewer my current desktop. But whatever the sharing desktop program I use (eg, x11vnc, krfb etc..). I always meet the same situation. after I run vncviewer -fullscreen, It seems that I can only view a screenshot picture. mouse can move, can't do anything else. computer response really slow(mouse slow movement). All i can do is to press F8 and exit |
| 05:43.53 | peterS | kataklysm: the thing is, that's not a *fix*, just a *workaround*. whatever caused the bug in the first place might cause other minor problems. it's probably harmless but not always. |
| 05:44.08 | nvz | kataklysm: you can help us too, use debian. |
| 05:44.19 | scarynetworkguy | kataklysm: Whoever maintains that package for Ubuntu fucked up. Report the bug to them via whatever bts they use. |
| 05:44.29 | bucky | possie_, uncomment php4 in /etc/mysql/my.cnf and restart it |
| 05:44.29 | nvz | kataklysm: you should file a bug against those conflicting packages too |
| 05:44.43 | streuner | nvz: no, in his own words its 'outdated' software.... |
| 05:44.51 | peterS | that would be Daniel Stone, I guess. ircs as 'daniels' |
| 05:45.03 | streuner | nvz: but our help is good enough |
| 05:45.11 | possie_ | bucky: hmm i have got a line containing php4 in /etc/mysq/my.cnf |
| 05:45.22 | kataklysm | i actually was going to use debian on my other machine but it has a generic nic card, and for some reason other distros would autodetect the nic, yet debian wouldnt, neither did it have a loabable module for it, so i dindt put debian on there |
| 05:45.22 | bucky | uncomment it |
| 05:45.34 | peterS | kataklysm: strange, do you know what NIC? |
| 05:45.35 | possie_ | bucky: sorry i mean i have not got a line.. |
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| 05:45.49 | kataklysm | peterS: i dont know right off |
| 05:46.03 | kataklysm | its on a diff pc |
| 05:46.34 | nvz | streuner: personally IMHO kataklysm and dfgesgw can go shoot each other in the head. I dont go for people who come in here ignorantly demanding support and not having the common courtesy following standard protocol. |
| 05:46.37 | kataklysm | does the repsositories for deb have mldonkey/mlnet on it? |
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| 05:46.52 | kataklysm | nvz: i didnt demand anything |
| 05:46.55 | kataklysm | dumbfuck |
| 05:47.09 | kataklysm | i asked, and peterS gave me the help i needed |
| 05:47.31 | peterS | kataklysm: also, if you're wondering why you got such a hostile reaction for trying to get help with an ubuntu bug in here, it's because sometimes we get tired of being asked to support people who think debian is not good enough for them. coupled with the fact that ubuntu *does* have different packages and different bugs, and so do knoppix, libranet, etc., so often it's a waste of time to try to help someone because we'll ... |
| 05:47.37 | peterS | ... give an answer that doesn't necessarily work |
| 05:47.47 | bucky | possie_, see if you have something like mysql.default_host = localhost in php.ini |
| 05:48.19 | kataklysm | well i just think different distros suit different desires |
| 05:48.26 | kataklysm | and people shouldnt have opinions on what is best |
| 05:48.32 | kataklysm | some are best for other people |
| 05:48.44 | peterS | kataklysm: that's fine, but Ford dealers probably won't give you warranty service on your Dodge. same concept here. we'll do it sometimes but we aren't always thrilled |
| 05:48.49 | dawg | kataklysm, that's very well but this is a Debian channel.. |
| 05:49.11 | peterS | I mean, they probably won't give you *free* warranty service on your dodge. that's the real issue here (: |
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| 05:49.30 | kataklysm | but a Ford dealer would probably give you advise on what a solution to a problem might be, yet they wouldnt do it for me, thats all i ask for here.. i dont want u all to do it for me, just some advise |
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| 05:50.09 | peterS | they might or they might not |
| 05:50.11 | kataklysm | people in a lot of rooms think they can be a dickhead to people all the time, i dont see it makes them any more superior, as a matter of fact i find it very humerous |
| 05:50.43 | kataklysm | well peterS: i do appreciate your voluntary effort to help me even though you wasn't required to do it :D |
| 05:50.57 | peterS | the fact of the matter is, our support might be free but it's not valueless, and it's not something we owe anyone, so people who openly proclaim that our distribution isn't good enough for them aren't always the people we're happy to help out |
| 05:51.23 | kataklysm | i will be considering using debian sarge on my other pc |
| 05:51.30 | kataklysm | if that helps ya all to feel better |
| 05:51.32 | peterS | heh |
| 05:51.50 | kataklysm | oh yeah |
| 05:51.53 | peterS | use what you want. but of course you might consider the quality of the help channels as a factor in which distribution is best for you |
| 05:51.54 | kataklysm | how do i query rpms |
| 05:51.55 | kataklysm | hahaha |
| 05:51.59 | kataklysm | im joking |
| 05:52.08 | peterS | i.e., if ubuntu help channels aren't as helpful, that's something to think about |
| 05:52.38 | kataklysm | the people in irc are users |
| 05:52.41 | foo | Turns out I can only watch windows media play stuff from CNN if skype is not in a call ... how can I get two programs to use the same sound device? This is kind of stupid .. |
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| 05:52.57 | kataklysm | and most irc channels on freenode have the same attitude as the people had in here when i asked tha q |
| 05:53.00 | kataklysm | that* |
| 05:53.00 | dawg | kataklysm, you aren't the first one to ask for help with other distros here and you won't be the last, eventually it gets to be irritating when people believe that this channel should support every distro out there |
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| 05:53.35 | kataklysm | dawg: the only reason i asked here is because you all use the same packaging sytsem and i figured you all could offer me a solution to resolve the problem |
| 05:53.37 | kataklysm | and that you did |
| 05:53.38 | nvz | foo: if your sound card and driver doesnt support hardware mixing you will need some sort of software mixer arts, esound, dmix..etc |
| 05:53.44 | peterS | kataklysm: couple years back we had one guy in here who was a red hat user. he thought he got better help in here. I was happy enough to work with him because he was a pleasant fellow and it was just kind of funny that we had in his opinion the best help |
| 05:53.46 | foo | nvz: How can I tell? |
| 05:54.04 | nvz | foo: you can tell because you cant use two programs at the same time, so you do not have hardware mixing |
| 05:54.25 | foo | nvz: I see. Ok, I've tried esd .. how do I use it? |
| 05:54.25 | dawg | kataklysm, same packaging system != same packages, and that's where your problem was |
| 05:54.39 | peterS | dawg: enough, we've beaten the subject into the ground |
| 05:54.42 | kataklysm | i know not the same packages |
| 05:54.48 | peterS | dawg: he knows why we reacted as we did, we can move on now |
| 05:54.49 | kataklysm | yea no shit |
| 05:55.10 | kataklysm | its not like i didnt expect to catch hell from someone who thought they ran the show anyway |
| 05:55.16 | nvz | foo: artsd and esd require output plugins for the programs that want to use them. I.e. apps must send their sounds to the sound daemon to be mixed, because they cannot access the sound device directly when they are running because its in use by the sound daemon. |
| 05:55.18 | kataklysm | every room on the net is like that |
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| 05:55.21 | kataklysm | so fuck it |
| 05:55.24 | kataklysm | its not a big deal |
| 05:55.32 | dawg | he still thinks he's completely in the right though *sighs* |
| 05:55.39 | nvz | foo: dmix is alsa's built in software mixer. may be more flexible, I have never used it |
| 05:55.46 | kataklysm | so what does it matter what i think |
| 05:55.59 | peterS | dawg: doesn't matter. he knows the rules, he knows why he annoyed us, and I think he knows what it'll take to get useful answers out of us in the future |
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| 05:56.14 | kataklysm | opinions is what people has problems with and i dont get it.. ur entitled to beleive what you want, just dont try to convince me to beleive it... ok? |
| 05:56.17 | nvz | dawg: he's more right than most. relax and stop trolling him :P |
| 05:56.29 | dawg | peters, and I imagine they'll still be about ubuntu, anyway |
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| 05:56.39 | peterS | dawg: maybe and maybe not. leave him alone though |
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| 05:57.15 | kataklysm | peterS: he isnt bothering me at all, its funny to see him so irritated about nothing... |
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| 05:57.41 | larry | hey |
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| 05:58.04 | peterS | kataklysm: while I'm generally on the side of the people complaining about non-debian questions here, there *is* such a thing as realising you've made your point and then shutting up. that's something we're not too good at around here (: |
| 05:58.11 | nvz | kataklysm: that goes for you as well. Please drop it, and find something on-topic to discuss or you will be considered trolling #debian as well. |
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| 05:59.20 | nvz | peterS: I need some of what you are on. I just woke up and I am not that mellow |
| 05:59.33 | peterS | nvz: sure, man, have a toke |
| 06:00.25 | kataklysm | no prob |
| 06:00.51 | wasabi | So I'm looking for an interesting solution to a, some might say, non existing problem. I have a lot of hosts, some are on public IPs, assigned by DHCP. Some are on private IPs assigned by DHCP, or static. Either way, for all of my hosts, I know their subnet or dns name. I'd like all of these hosts to be able to talk to each other directly. This means a public box, any of them, should be able to ping one of my private hosts. THe idea |
| 06:00.51 | wasabi | is that a tunnel would be created on the fly to the right place, or something. And vica versa, those hosts should be able to reach any public, and a tunnel should be created to the proper place. I don't want NAT. Does such a solution exist in any form? |
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| 06:00.57 | kataklysm | this isnt a distrobased question at all, so can i ask it here, or am i gonna get bashed and get told to google and go to #linux?? |
| 06:00.59 | nvz | I had sleep last night. all my 'homies' were out getting drunk for friday night. I am not much of a drunken lush I need some sort of social occation to get drunk or to be heavily frusterated and have money to blow |
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| 06:01.29 | nvz | kataklysm: just ask, and don't take it personally if people don't know and direct you to a more appropriate audience. |
| 06:01.33 | cahoot | nvz: funny you should tell people getting on topic |
| 06:01.40 | nvz | cahoot: heh |
| 06:01.42 | peterS | wasabi: how much stuff are you willing to install on each machine? are they all debian? |
| 06:02.01 | bucky | kataklysm, who cares.. you're using ubuntu and you're in the wrong channel |
| 06:02.03 | wasabi | They are all debian derived. I am willing to install anything. |
| 06:02.10 | wasabi | They are all under my direct control. ALl on the same Kerberos REALM even. |
| 06:02.12 | nvz | cahoot: do my off-topic rants hurt anyone's feelings and get people calling names? |
| 06:02.35 | peterS | wasabi: you might have some luck with 'vde' or 'vtun' |
| 06:02.45 | c_olin | what is the command to see how much space is free on a partition? |
| 06:02.49 | wasabi | df |
| 06:02.52 | ke6isf | c_olin: df |
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| 06:03.16 | kataklysm | here it is: x-fonts and x-common.. is it a possibility that xfonts has been replaced by x-common causing an issue like i had, it seems that x-common now provides the fonts that are in /usr/lib/X11/fonts am i wrong? |
| 06:03.20 | cahoot | nvz: just noting a certain lack of reciprocity |
| 06:03.37 | c_olin | thanks |
| 06:03.43 | wasabi | peterS, interesting. |
| 06:04.03 | peterS | kataklysm: that's another ubuntu question, it relates to how daniel stone arranged the x.org packages and stuff, so again, most likely, we have no idea |
| 06:04.10 | bucky | kataklysm, it is entirely possible that Ubuntu fucked that up |
| 06:04.11 | peterS | kataklysm: but it's certainly possible that some stuff has moved from the one package to the other |
| 06:04.13 | nvz | kataklysm: who knows. not us. in debian if any two packages contain the same files its against policy, you file a bug. thats a distro-specific question for the maintainer in question. |
| 06:04.33 | dawg | dawg: 1 peters: 0, ;) |
| 06:04.44 | kataklysm | well i did not know that beforehand |
| 06:04.50 | kataklysm | thanks |
| 06:04.50 | nvz | dawg: heh, stfu :) |
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| 06:05.02 | dawg | hehe |
| 06:05.34 | wasabi | petemS, this looks interesting. One of my goals is for no box to have two IPs (unless it has two actual interfaces). Kerberos stuff. |
| 06:05.53 | streuner | kataklysm: well, we told you that before, but you didn't listen... |
| 06:06.35 | peterS | wasabi: ahh. and here I was about to suggest that each box could have 2 IPs, one on a separate private range, and that could all be done without vde or anything |
| 06:06.35 | wasabi | like, if my laptop on a public pings 10.0.0.4, a tunnel should be created on the fly to the gateway that I set up for that network, and packets should go thru, unmodified. |
| 06:06.36 | nvz | dawg: keep rocking the boat and you might fall off. there are rabit kawfees in the water too. |
| 06:06.36 | x2 | hi guys, my harddrive fucked itself and was outputting all this shit to the screen: end_request dev (4:3) sector [a bunch of numbers] or something. does this mean the drive is on its last legs? |
| 06:06.36 | wasabi | public->private, private->public |
| 06:06.36 | wasabi | No translation. |
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| 06:06.36 | kataklysm | what kind of install options does sarge give you after the base install gets done? if i want to install from a network, what type of selections do i have as far as the packages i retrieve, such as custom, server, desktop etc?? |
| 06:06.36 | wasabi | Obviously it only works within my controlled hosts. |
| 06:06.38 | peterS | wasabi: you can set up a route for 10.0.0.0/8 or 10.0.0.0/24 or whatever that goes to your gateway, which can then route packets directly in |
| 06:06.49 | peterS | wasabi: that route will have to exist on each of the public machines |
| 06:07.02 | nvz | kataklysm: debian provides options to install from net long before base install |
| 06:07.10 | wasabi | So I'll need a tunnel to the public gateway of each of those routes. |
| 06:07.13 | peterS | wasabi: and the gateway will have to be set up to pass those packets right through... |
| 06:07.22 | kataklysm | nvz: im just sayin i would be doing a net install instead of CD |
| 06:07.24 | wasabi | But I need to put in packets into the tunnel with the same src as the actual real packet heh |
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| 06:07.34 | kataklysm | it was kind of irrelevant to mention anything about the network |
| 06:07.41 | x2 | Can anyone please help me |
| 06:07.45 | peterS | wasabi: hmmm, how far away from that gateway are these boxes? same subnet, or not? |
| 06:07.48 | kataklysm | but what kind of packages gets installed by default |
| 06:07.54 | kataklysm | and are there different types of installs |
| 06:07.59 | nvz | kataklysm: right well debian netinstalls in debian are just that. everything including base it fetched from the net and you get whatever you select |
| 06:07.59 | kataklysm | is that a better way to put it? |
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| 06:08.28 | peterS | wasabi: I mean the ones outside your private address range - are they on the same subnet as the gateway? |
| 06:08.43 | wasabi | No. |
| 06:08.49 | wasabi | A tunnel has to be made *if they aren't* |
| 06:08.58 | wasabi | if they *are* it needs to send out directly. |
| 06:09.01 | kataklysm | nvz: is it a package list and u go through it and pick what all you want, or does it have it predefined? if its predefined installation, where can i go to see the package list of the diff types of installs? |
| 06:09.05 | wasabi | So I'm suspecting I need some routing protocol. |
| 06:09.11 | wasabi | But I am not familiar with those enough to know that. |
| 06:09.11 | nvz | kataklysm: after stage 1 which is base install you boot into your debian system, and it runs a script called base-config that guides you through setting up the timezone, passwords, users, configuring apt, and then you have options to use tasksel, aptitude, or dselect to select packages or not to select any and to proceed to login and do it yourself. |
| 06:09.12 | dawg | nvz, I have no idea what that means, specially the kawfees. not sure if you're making a joke or a threat or god knows.. |
| 06:09.14 | peterS | wasabi: in that case they'll need some form of tunnel, yeah |
| 06:09.42 | nvz | kataklysm: tasksel provides you with predefined collections of software for Web Servers, Desktop Systems..etc aptitude and dselect are for fine tuning. |
| 06:09.45 | peterS | wasabi: I'm not certain how vde works, but I think you can manage all of that without assigning 2 IPs per machine |
| 06:09.58 | nvz | dawg: you havent been around long enough then.. and you are lucky. |
| 06:10.12 | wasabi | Another interesting idea was that I would establish tunnels between every network all the time. |
| 06:10.17 | kataklysm | nvz: i remember when me and a friend used debian back in like 96 or 97, we had to get everything we wanted from the command line, but we had like 20 cds it seemed like |
| 06:10.26 | wasabi | So no matter where my laptop went, a tunnel would be made to each of my private subnets, or something |
| 06:10.34 | wasabi | Yeah, VDE still looks interesting. Trying to find some info. |
| 06:10.36 | wasabi | Not coming up with much. |
| 06:10.43 | peterS | wasabi: well, the public machines don't need to tunnel to each other. so basically you want point-to-point tunnels between all the outside machines and the gateway, I figure |
| 06:10.54 | wasabi | Yeah. |
| 06:11.04 | peterS | wasabi: this can be done with VPN software as well, such as 'tinc' or 'openvpn' |
| 06:11.25 | peterS | wasabi: I'm not familiar with openvpn configuration, but tinc can do what you want, either with or without IP numbers. i.e., either "switched" or "routed" |
| 06:11.26 | wasabi | btw, I am doing this all, without translation, so I can IPSEC it. |
| 06:11.31 | nvz | kataklysm: na it was only about 3 at most back then. and it still had net capabilites.. there is a brand new installer that is more intuitive with hardware detection nicer partitioner that supports lvm and raid. its called Debian-Installer and is standard in sarge |
| 06:11.32 | peterS | ahhh |
| 06:11.42 | wasabi | And it's an interesting experiment. |
| 06:12.14 | peterS | wasabi: using openvpn *instead of* ipsec might be an interesting idea. then you can use its facilities for tunneling as well as its link encryption |
| 06:12.29 | wasabi | Yeah, I wanted to use IPSEC at the application layer, though. |
| 06:12.31 | peterS | wasabi: besides which, ipsec is an absolute bear to configure and manage. I understand openvpn is a lot simpler, not that I've tried it |
| 06:12.56 | peterS | wasabi: as a reference point, it took me about 30 minutes to set up my first 'tinc' tunnel, and that included reading the docs |
| 06:12.57 | dawg | nvz, probably more that I don't read irc frequently. I thought you meant rabbit kawfees but it seems rabid kawfees makes more sense heh but we're going off on a tangent now |
| 06:13.03 | wasabi | reading them now |
| 06:13.22 | peterS | wasabi: but tinc has fallen out of favor as its encryption is believed to be a lot weaker in practice than either openvpn or the usual ipsec implementations |
| 06:13.33 | wasabi | That's fine. |
| 06:13.36 | wasabi | IPSEC shores that up. |
| 06:13.41 | wasabi | I'll just turn it's encryption off. |
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| 06:13.48 | wasabi | All the traffic on it will be IPSEC. |
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| 06:14.09 | nvz | kataklysm: actually back in '96-'97 was longer ago than I thought.. those were rex and bo days there probably wasnt even 3cds. potato came out in 2000 and it was only 3 |
| 06:14.09 | peterS | hmmm so you mean use tinc as *just* a tunnel router, without the crypto |
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| 06:14.12 | peterS | not sure if you can do that or not |
| 06:14.12 | kataklysm | nvz: i exagerated with the 20 cds, but it seemed like 20, i know net install was an option but as i recall we had a winmodem in that box, and there definately wasnt any highspeed internet around here, so that kind of scratched that option |
| 06:14.18 | wasabi | Well, even if I can't, it's just overhead. |
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| 06:14.32 | kataklysm | nvz: i actually think it was 3 cds |
| 06:14.39 | peterS | wasabi: true, true. vde does seem as though it's intended to do pretty much exactly what you're asking for, so I'd look into that a bit further |
| 06:14.39 | kataklysm | it might have been 2 |
| 06:14.41 | kataklysm | but i think it was 3 |
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| 06:14.46 | wasabi | ok |
| 06:14.48 | kataklysm | but i think the 3rd was just sources |
| 06:15.23 | peterS | wasabi: actually looking at vtun, it looks like that's probably not a bad thing to check out either |
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| 06:15.34 | peterS | wasabi: note I've not tried either vde or vtun, though |
| 06:15.41 | tcsetattr | I've tried vtun |
| 06:15.46 | tcsetattr | what's the question? |
| 06:15.47 | wasabi | my one hang up I'm not understanding with a generic tunnel is how to do it without another numbered interface |
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| 06:16.03 | peterS | tcsetattr: the guy wants to do IPsec between machines inside and outside a NAT gateway with a private IP block inside |
| 06:16.05 | tcsetattr | vtun was surprisingly simple |
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| 06:16.15 | nvz | dawg: kawfee was our resident troll for quite sometime. you couldnt have missed him if you were around at all in the days before he was permabanned. he still finds ways in here from time to time to show that he still loves us. Especially his favorite people like teh h3lix0r :P |
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| 06:16.26 | wasabi | Actually, there is no NAT gateway. |
| 06:16.29 | peterS | tcsetattr: he doesn't want to configure additional IP addresses for anybody, and doesn't particularly want encryption in the tunnel since he wants IPsec to handle that |
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| 06:16.37 | wasabi | No NAT is happening anywhere. |
| 06:16.45 | tcsetattr | I don't know jack about ipsec. |
| 06:16.48 | wasabi | Hosts in private ranges can't access the internet. |
| 06:16.57 | wasabi | Just only my boxes on the internet. ;) |
| 06:17.02 | peterS | wasabi: but you need them to talk to your public machines, and only those. |
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| 06:17.32 | wasabi | Well, my personal private hosts would send packets to their gateway, and that would establish thte tunnel |
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| 06:17.44 | wasabi | They wouldn't get NATted though. |
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| 06:18.01 | peterS | wasabi: right, that's the easy part actually. *those* hosts won't need any configuration at all, except a 'default gateway'. |
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| 06:18.06 | wasabi | Yup |
| 06:18.16 | Bubbletea | ? |
| 06:18.22 | wasabi | Good thing too, because they're stupid crap that you can't configure, like IP cams. ;) |
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| 06:18.31 | peterS | wasabi: what happens between the gateway and the public hosts, both directions, is the interesting part |
| 06:18.36 | wasabi | yeah. |
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| 06:18.52 | tcsetattr | so let's see, there's ethernet tunnels, ppp tunnels, and plain IP tunnels... |
| 06:18.57 | wasabi | I'm also wondering how I'm going to handle dynamic private addresses, on the laptop for instance. |
| 06:19.02 | wasabi | The laptop, goes to starbucks. |
| 06:19.07 | wasabi | And gets... 192.168.foo.bar |
| 06:19.14 | wasabi | Now suddenly all my hosts need to be able to reach it there. |
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| 06:19.22 | peterS | tcsetattr: the only reason for tunneling at all is that public internet routers won't know what to do with his 10.0.0.whatever addresses, either as sources or as destinations |
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| 06:19.23 | wasabi | So, I need to at least put all my hosts on very unused private ranges. |
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| 06:19.32 | wasabi | So there's low chance of collision |
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| 06:19.51 | wasabi | When the laptop, on private, pings the stuff at home, ALSO ON PRIVATE. |
| 06:19.58 | peterS | wasabi: oh, that could be a problem. the gateway will have to be told about your new private address, I think. and the other public boxes too, if you need NAT-less communication to them |
| 06:20.06 | wasabi | The laptop establishes a tunnel to the gateway at home, the tunnel goes over NAT. |
| 06:20.13 | wasabi | Then sends thru the private->private packages thru the tunnel. |
| 06:20.17 | peterS | wasabi: you mitigate collisions by not using 10.0.0.x but instead 10.10.220.x or something, at home |
| 06:20.18 | wasabi | packets. |
| 06:20.23 | wasabi | And at the other end, everybody has to know how to get back. ;) |
| 06:20.24 | tcsetattr | if the client initiates a new vtun connection, only the vtun server needs to have a known static address (or dyndns) |
| 06:20.40 | Liquid_Tension | any ideas why mysql server would tell me that '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' doesn't exist? |
| 06:20.44 | Liquid_Tension | and what to do to fix it? |
| 06:20.56 | wasabi | Liquid_Tension, heh, because it's segfaulting, like mine? |
| 06:21.11 | Liquid_Tension | wasabi: now on how to fix it? ;) |
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| 06:21.17 | wasabi | Dunno, haven't gotten to it yet. |
| 06:21.21 | wasabi | Mine has something to do with libnss-db |
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| 06:21.27 | wasabi | And my wacky nss configuration |
| 06:21.34 | Liquid_Tension | na, no wacky configs here |
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| 06:22.34 | peterS | wasabi: so. the gateway needs to be able to handle a client a starbucks whose public IP is different from its private IP, and know to send packets destined for the private IP, to the public IP. that's one problem. |
| 06:23.04 | wasabi | Yeah, well, it's a single socket opened from private->public (or from the point of view of my gateway, starbucks public to it's public) |
| 06:23.07 | peterS | wasabi: problem two, the starbucks NAT server will be impatient and will purge routes for UDP packets with a pretty quick timeout, like 60 seconds, so you'll need the laptop to send keepalives every 30 seconds or so |
| 06:23.08 | tcsetattr | vtun works over TCP, so once you've established the connection, what's the problem? you don't have to keep "finding" the client. It's _connected_. |
| 06:23.11 | wasabi | And the socket stays up for the duration of the tunnel. |
| 06:23.21 | peterS | tcsetattr: ahh, ok, scratch problem two. |
| 06:23.24 | wasabi | The socket's lifetime defining a route to the private IP on the gateway side. |
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| 06:24.20 | peterS | I hope vtun has authentication, otherwise the starbucks laptop has no way of convincing the gateway that some IP the gateway has never heard of is actually a valid candidate for allocating resources for a tunnel |
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| 06:24.38 | wasabi | Yeah, that's anothe rissue. |
| 06:24.54 | tcsetattr | yeah, it has a simple shared-password scheme, which is why you usually want SSL... |
| 06:24.57 | peterS | for external static IPs this is less of a problem. |
| 06:25.04 | wasabi | Want another twist? |
| 06:25.07 | peterS | sure! |
| 06:25.09 | wasabi | At home I have 3 public IP boxes. |
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| 06:25.12 | wasabi | 1 is the gateway. |
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| 06:25.18 | wasabi | The other 3 use their own default gateways to get out. |
| 06:25.23 | wasabi | EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF A TRANSIATE VPN |
| 06:25.49 | wasabi | So the existance of the tunnel not only defines a route thru the tunnel on the gateway, but on all my other hosts. |
| 06:25.51 | peterS | wasabi: btw. please tell me your static IP boxes are not expected to communicate with starbucks |
| 06:26.34 | wasabi | Oh, everything has to talk to everything else (with the obvious caveat that tunnels can only actually be opened in one direction, but that's okay, they can be brought up and kept up all the time) |
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| 06:27.19 | peterS | wasabi: those other 3 machines, they can be told that 10.10.220.0/24 is a special case. they can't necessarily be told that the 192.168.15.0/24 you're using at starbucks is another special case....unless.... |
| 06:27.31 | wasabi | That's where a routing protocol comes in. |
| 06:27.33 | peterS | wasabi: unless they are told that *any* private IP range is the same special case, going through the same gateway |
| 06:27.44 | wasabi | Tunnel opens on gateway, gateway knows how to get to starbucks host, gateway knows starbucks hosts IP. |
| 06:27.48 | peterS | like, 10.0.0.0/8, 192.168.0.0/16, 172.16.0.0/12 |
| 06:27.48 | tcsetattr | I don't think I could follow this with a diagram and a pair of 3D glasses. |
| 06:27.53 | wasabi | gateway uses routing protocol to notify other hosts that is is a route to that host. |
| 06:28.03 | wasabi | tcsetattr, haha |
| 06:28.06 | peterS | come on, tcsetattr, you're a smart guy |
| 06:28.15 | wasabi | I try not to come up with easy things. |
| 06:28.22 | nvz | heh |
| 06:28.24 | wasabi | Actually this is my compaign to remove private IPs |
| 06:28.29 | peterS | wasabi: I think three static routes, for 10.* 192.168.* and 172.16.*, should do the trick |
| 06:28.35 | wasabi | All of my IPs are public, at least to me. ;) |
| 06:28.40 | wasabi | peterS, oh that's true. |
| 06:28.53 | peterS | wasabi: if the gateway doesn't know about anyone on those other ranges ... it returns an ICMP Destination Unreachable or something |
| 06:28.57 | wasabi | We can guarentee those. |
| 06:28.59 | nvz | thats a good one I am gonna have to say that sometime. |
| 06:30.00 | peterS | wasabi: so there you have it. the private machines just have one default gateway, end of story. the gateway machine has to forward packets between 10.10.220.0/24 and its various tunnels, as needed. the tunnels will get their own interface names |
| 06:30.39 | peterS | wasabi: everyone else has to have a way to set up vtun to contact the gateway, and then make the gateway IP a gateway for 10.0.0.0/8, 192.168.0.0/16 and 172.16.0.0/12 |
| 06:30.52 | wasabi | yeah I see. |
| 06:30.55 | peterS | i.e., three static routes that get added when you run the connect script |
| 06:31.16 | tcsetattr | if you want to feel like you're _in_ the private network while you're on the road, make an ethernet tunnel and do bridging on top of it... just like being plugged into your switch at home |
| 06:31.26 | wasabi | That gives me two IPs. |
| 06:31.30 | peterS | the gateway, when it accepts or tears down a tunnel, has to modify its own routing table to take into account the machine at the other end |
| 06:31.58 | peterS | tcsetattr: I told him about vde but we're thinking vtun is simpler |
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| 06:32.05 | wasabi | Yeah I'm thinking that too. |
| 06:32.15 | wasabi | Now I need to get a grasp on vtun. |
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| 06:32.45 | tcsetattr | vtund.conf has convenient options for running route commands on interface up/down |
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| 06:32.52 | peterS | good, good |
| 06:33.01 | saerdna_ | whats the commando to list all partitions? i totally lost it |
| 06:33.09 | peterS | saerdna_: cat /proc/partitoins |
| 06:33.12 | peterS | errr, /proc/partitions |
| 06:33.16 | tcsetattr | I'm not sure it'll like dynamic client addresses, but you should be able to convince it... |
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| 06:33.24 | xsquared | bbl fellas |
| 06:33.25 | xsquared | chow |
| 06:33.37 | wasabi | Well, to be honest, I don't even care about auth on vtun. |
| 06:33.41 | saerdna_ | peterS: hmm theres some 2 char commando too, where you can see diskspace etc |
| 06:33.45 | nvz | peterS: thats Sgt. /proc/partitions of the 111st |
| 06:33.48 | wasabi | Let people connect randomlly. That would give me a lot of entertainment. |
| 06:33.51 | saerdna_ | damn how could i forgett this |
| 06:33.58 | nvz | saerdna_: df |
| 06:34.00 | saerdna_ | im getting upset at my self |
| 06:34.01 | saerdna_ | thx! |
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| 06:34.18 | nvz | damn it |
| 06:34.22 | peterS | nvz: I just call him parti in private though |
| 06:34.23 | nvz | left too quick |
| 06:34.33 | tcsetattr | that's df |
| 06:34.51 | nvz | I felt obligated to point out that all partitions and mounted partitions were 3 different things :P |
| 06:35.00 | peterS | wasabi: I guess the only real problem with lack of auth on vtun is vandals wasting the resources of your gateway and creating hundreds of phantom routes |
| 06:35.06 | wasabi | Cool. |
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| 06:35.17 | wasabi | I'd leave them messages and invite them over for beer. |
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| 06:35.39 | peterS | wasabi: well, and having access to your private net. but if you have IPsec key management and kerberos and all that sort of thing, it might be that you can block unauthorized packets anyway |
| 06:35.51 | wasabi | Yeha, see, that would be a great test too |
| 06:35.59 | wasabi | To have unauthorized hosts in my lan, and see how they behave. |
| 06:36.00 | peterS | I know very little about ipsec implementation |
| 06:36.08 | peterS | I know some of the theory but I've always been scared away from actually trying to implement |
| 06:36.13 | wasabi | Yeah. |
| 06:36.18 | wasabi | Basically NAT just fucks it up. |
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| 06:36.21 | wasabi | So I'm killing NAT. ;) |
| 06:36.24 | peterS | since the management tools are so horrible it's almost impossible on linux |
| 06:37.33 | wasabi | Hmm. |
| 06:37.37 | wasabi | So this vtun... |
| 06:37.40 | wasabi | lessie. |
| 06:37.56 | peterS | have you considered ipv6? you can use 6to4 instead of NAT, to get 64 bits of internal address for each public IPv4 address. the downside is that everyone has to support ipv6 |
| 06:38.12 | peterS | and I guess that also fails the starbucks use case |
| 06:38.16 | wasabi | Yeah, I have, most of my devices don't support it. |
| 06:38.34 | wasabi | The comps are fine, obviously. |
| 06:38.37 | wasabi | The IP cams, no. |
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| 06:39.07 | nvz | 6to4? |
| 06:39.11 | peterS | so hmmm. if tcsetattr is right about vtun using TCP, performance will be very unpredictable if you have any network conditions other than "send all packets through posthaste" |
| 06:39.27 | wasabi | Looks like it can use both. |
| 06:39.40 | peterS | nvz: an IPv6 address range that corresponds exactly to one IPv4 address and is routed accordingly |
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| 06:40.09 | peterS | wasabi: reason being, TCP over TCP runs the congestion control / retransmission things twice instead of once. TCP stacks weren't designed for that. |
| 06:40.09 | nvz | peterS: its miles over my head |
| 06:40.15 | wasabi | yeah, i know. |
| 06:40.37 | peterS | this is basically "why ppp over ssh sounds clever but doesn't work all that well" |
| 06:41.02 | wasabi | pretty much why they invented pptp |
| 06:41.05 | wasabi | "they" |
| 06:41.08 | peterS | heh |
| 06:41.36 | Gnea | hrm |
| 06:41.41 | tcsetattr | vtun can do TCP or UDP; TCP avoids some of the stupid NAT problems |
| 06:41.46 | Gnea | i'd like to invent a beer to my mouth |
| 06:41.56 | peterS | so anyway, if you *do* use it in UDP mode, you'll have to hope it has a 'send keepalive packet every 30 seconds' mode, to thwart NAT boxes that love to garbage-collect unused routes |
| 06:42.00 | peterS | rightr |
| 06:42.01 | wasabi | well, udp should work fine on any nat I can think of, with akeepalive. |
| 06:42.02 | Gnea | vtun fucking sucks |
| 06:42.11 | Gnea | it's been dead in development for years now |
| 06:42.33 | Gnea | plus there's an exploit for it |
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| 06:42.56 | tcsetattr | "keepalive yes|no" is in there... |
| 06:43.08 | peterS | right, right |
| 06:43.10 | wasabi | tcsetattr, mind helping me with this vtun config? |
| 06:43.16 | wasabi | or at least pointing me to the right direction |
| 06:43.50 | nvz | I could have gotten drunk just about anywhere last night, but went to sleep instead |
| 06:44.00 | Gnea | wasabi: why are you using vtun? |
| 06:44.07 | peterS | Gnea: what would you suggest? |
| 06:44.11 | wasabi | Name another alternative. |
| 06:44.12 | Gnea | peterS: openvpn. |
| 06:44.16 | Gnea | openvpn. |
| 06:44.20 | peterS | Gnea: he wants to run ipsec on top of this thing |
| 06:44.24 | wasabi | What does openvpn do better? |
| 06:44.34 | peterS | and ipsec over openvpn doesn't sound all that intelligent |
| 06:44.44 | Gnea | openvpn does not implement ipsec. but it does have a windows client. |
| 06:44.44 | wasabi | carpaltunnel - Configuration helper for OpenVPN |
| 06:44.45 | wasabi | hhaha |
| 06:45.03 | gentoothreefour | hi |
| 06:45.08 | Gnea | wasabi: it implements a secure tunnel securely. |
| 06:45.14 | peterS | he's got only debian-derived boxes, it seems, so windows support isn't really a necessity |
| 06:45.14 | wasabi | Gnea, I want no security. |
| 06:45.16 | gentoothreefour | anyone here knows the history of the debian? |
| 06:45.16 | wasabi | I want unencrypted. |
| 06:45.27 | gentoothreefour | higho wasabi |
| 06:45.29 | Guerin | !history |
| 06:45.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, history is old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 06:45.37 | Gnea | wasabi: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/3845/info |
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| 06:45.42 | Gnea | wasabi: then why use vtun? |
| 06:45.45 | nvz | gentoothreefour: what are you looking for specifically? |
| 06:46.01 | gentoothreefour | i dont get the codenaming of debian releases |
| 06:46.04 | Gnea | wasabi: vtun encrypts it too |
| 06:46.06 | Guerin | !literal famous last words |
| 06:46.06 | dpkg | famous last words is <reply> see flw(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20|21|22|23|24|25|26|27|28|29|30|31|32|33|34|35|36|37|38|39|40) |
| 06:46.09 | wasabi | Um. Because you haven't taught me how to set up openvpn how I want. |
| 06:46.14 | peterS | Gnea: he wants to tie his private IP block(s) to his public machines, as though all the addresses were equally routable between those machines |
| 06:46.15 | Gnea | the only difference is that vtun is able to break the encryption |
| 06:46.29 | Guerin | !flw41 is <wasabi> Gnea, I want no security. |
| 06:46.29 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 06:46.45 | Guerin | !famous last words =~ s/40/40|41/ |
| 06:46.45 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 06:46.46 | nvz | gentoothreefour: its named after toy story characters, because the former leader of the project worked for pixar during the making of the movie. |
| 06:46.51 | Gnea | wasabi: pay me and i would be glad to. |
| 06:47.01 | gentoothreefour | former leader? |
| 06:47.02 | wasabi | Gnea, sure, fitty cents? |
| 06:47.08 | gentoothreefour | who is your leader |
| 06:47.12 | gentoothreefour | is debian a cult? |
| 06:47.14 | Guerin | gentoothreefour: read the links you've been given |
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| 06:47.16 | peterS | gentoothreefour: yes |
| 06:47.20 | peterS | gentoothreefour: debian is a cult |
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| 06:47.26 | peterS | gentoothreefour: if you don't leave soon you'll be sucked in |
| 06:47.32 | nvz | gentoothreefour: not really a leader per-se but whatever. |
| 06:47.35 | Gnea | gentoothreefour: if you need to ask, then you don't need to know. |
| 06:47.35 | Guerin | and then chewed up and spat out |
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| 06:48.02 | gentoothreefour | no seriously i am going to install debian on my intel machine its got intel d |
| 06:48.10 | peterS | that's lovely |
| 06:48.12 | Guerin | !ig |
| 06:48.12 | dpkg | i guess ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 06:48.13 | Gnea | gentoothreefour: so what? |
| 06:48.17 | Guerin | gentoothreefour: you can read, right? |
| 06:48.18 | wasabi | so I suspect I can create a vtun interface with no IPs? |
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| 06:48.23 | wasabi | And stuff specific routes down it |
| 06:48.24 | gentoothreefour | i just dont get the codename |
| 06:48.32 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:48.34 | peterS | gentoothreefour: we told you what to read. now go do it |
| 06:48.46 | gentoothreefour | ah so debian is not pixar distro? |
| 06:48.50 | peterS | no, it's not |
| 06:48.52 | nvz | gentoothreefour: the issue I believe in my half-assed historian view it was a because he found it ammusing that people would ask him all star-stuck like "aren't you proud to be working for pixar?" and he of course had to laugh and tell them he was just a geek fixing their pcs, and his hobby project debian was running space shuttles and stuff. |
| 06:49.20 | gentoothreefour | wow |
| 06:49.24 | Gnea | wasabi: i suppose you could, but it wouldn't play as nicely as openvpn would - i'm not sure if you could actually turn off encryption with that - because openvpn supports bridging, which sounds like it'd be more what you need |
| 06:49.32 | gentoothreefour | so he fix pixar pcs? |
| 06:49.33 | peterS | gentoothreefour: an influential guy in the early history of debian was a pixar employee. Bruce Perens by name. that's the only reason for the toy story characters. |
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| 06:49.45 | gentoothreefour | oh |
| 06:49.52 | gentoothreefour | so its the big bruce perens |
| 06:49.53 | gentoothreefour | wow |
| 06:49.54 | Gnea | gentoothreefour: pixar? disney? |
| 06:50.00 | nvz | peterS: see nvz's half-assed histroical view :P |
| 06:50.02 | gentoothreefour | i really got to get debian |
| 06:50.09 | gentoothreefour | bruce preens rocks |
| 06:50.11 | gentoothreefour | perens |
| 06:50.12 | peterS | gentoothreefour: yes, the same bruce perens you might have heard of in the Open Source Initiative and elsewhere. |
| 06:50.20 | gentoothreefour | wow |
| 06:50.26 | gentoothreefour | yes he is a leader |
| 06:50.36 | gentoothreefour | sorry to joke about him awhile back |
| 06:50.44 | peterS | he used to be Debian Project Leader, many years ago. he's no longer involved direclty in the Project at all, but he used to be. |
| 06:50.45 | Gnea | everyone jokes about everyone |
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| 06:51.44 | gentoothreefour | wow man debian rucks |
| 06:52.01 | peterS | don't assume debian rocks based merely on the former involvement of one guy |
| 06:52.01 | gentoothreefour | hey plus did you guys know gentoo used to idealize debian |
| 06:52.09 | peterS | we've got a lot to be proud of, bruce isn't the only thing (: |
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| 06:52.17 | gentoothreefour | who else? |
| 06:52.26 | gentoothreefour | pls im very much interested |
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| 06:52.30 | peterS | we do know gentoo got its Social Contract pretty much wholesale from http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 06:52.33 | Gnea | gentoothreefour: are you gonna install debian or are you gonna kiss our asses? |
| 06:52.36 | nvz | yeah like, this is a picture of gnea in concert http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/LewisAndClark/images/gerbil.jpg |
| 06:52.53 | Gnea | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 06:52.55 | Gnea | dude |
| 06:52.57 | nvz | heh |
| 06:52.57 | Gnea | that rocks |
| 06:52.58 | Lumination | holy shit I'm drunk as fuck... 3am EST and I've had I can't count how many vodka-and-sprite-with-lemons.... I can hardly even type this sentence *SOS8 |
| 06:53.10 | Lumination | *SOS8=*SOS* |
| 06:53.29 | Lumination | but debian still rocks |
| 06:53.38 | Lumination | there's one for the survey records |
| 06:54.01 | peterS | debian already does quite well on the sucks-rules-o-meter, but thanks |
| 06:54.11 | Lumination | sweet |
| 06:54.28 | Lumination | I can see you still care about your image... good luck |
| 06:54.46 | gentoothreefour | why did they choose the logo though and my red in color is debian == communism? |
| 06:54.52 | peterS | (for those unacquainted with the sucks-rules-o-meter, it's a web search hit count comparison of '____ sucks/blows' vs. '_____ rules/rocks') |
| 06:55.04 | peterS | gentoothreefour: BECAUSE WE ARE MARXISTS |
| 06:55.32 | gentoothreefour | really? |
| 06:55.36 | wasabi | Gnea, so seriously, how much would it cost for you to describe to me how to configure openvpn how I want it? |
| 06:55.46 | peterS | gentoothreefour: the logo was arrived at by a public contest. developers voted between about 6 of the best submissions. |
| 06:55.56 | Gnea | wasabi: you want a step-by-step description of non-encryption? |
| 06:55.57 | Lumination | peterS: gee, thanks |
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| 06:56.00 | nvz | hehe.. this is even better gnea at home http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/pics11/FILTH-2004/images/Jerry-the-Gerbil-ellis-dee.jpg |
| 06:56.08 | wasabi | Nope. Non-encryption is not the important part. |
| 06:56.09 | Lumination | peterS: I wouldn't have been cool without that meter |
| 06:56.19 | Gnea | ok. |
| 06:56.29 | wasabi | The important part is setting up the tunnel server properly so it accepts client connections and without assigning an IP to the client. |
| 06:56.36 | nvz | the other one was cute, thats just wrong |
| 06:56.40 | peterS | nvz styles himself the new sussudio, I see |
| 06:56.45 | wasabi | Just isn't something I've ever seen done. |
| 06:56.55 | Gnea | nvz: good thing i'm not at work |
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| 06:57.00 | nvz | Lumination: sleep |
| 06:57.01 | gentoothreefour | peterS: it looks like a candy cane lollipop |
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| 06:57.06 | nvz | Gnea: yeah |
| 06:57.08 | Lumination | nvz: zZZZZZzzZZzZzzz |
| 06:57.10 | peterS | gentoothreefour: it's whatever you want it to be |
| 06:57.20 | gentoothreefour | wow |
| 06:57.23 | peterS | gentoothreefour: I agree with the developer vote. it was the best of the 6 or so |
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| 06:57.29 | Lumination | nvz: unfortunately I'm at work because everybody else is too much of an ass |
| 06:57.32 | gentoothreefour | who else are the big people that contributed to debian |
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| 06:57.41 | nvz | Lumination: you work at a bar? |
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| 06:57.49 | Gnea | wasabi: actually that's easy - the only drawback is that openvpn is going to require a shared-key algorithm |
| 06:57.52 | Lumination | nvz: I wish... I just know the alarm code lol |
| 06:58.13 | wasabi | Well, that is okay. I don't mind creating keys for each of my clients. |
| 06:58.21 | Gnea | nod |
| 06:58.25 | Gnea | but thing is |
| 06:58.32 | Gnea | and i'm reading this right |
| 06:58.33 | nvz | Lumination: so you broke into the office all smashed and sitting on the pc when nobody is around? |
| 06:58.36 | Gnea | it's going to be encrypted |
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| 06:58.48 | wasabi | Will the add any data overhead to it? |
| 06:58.48 | Lumination | nvz: yeah... proud? |
| 06:59.01 | wasabi | I guess I'd only be concerneed about it if it made the packets bigger and screwed with MTU |
| 06:59.02 | Gnea | not a whole lot, actually |
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| 06:59.13 | wasabi | Otherwise it's just burning CPU. |
| 06:59.13 | peterS | gentoothreefour: maybe you've heard of Ted Ts'o, linux kernel and ext2fs developer? he's a debian developer |
| 06:59.14 | Gnea | if you have lzo compression turned on it doesn't add too much at all |
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| 06:59.36 | nvz | I hate flies by far the most annoying creature |
| 06:59.47 | ircops | hehe |
| 06:59.52 | nvz | now I got fly guts on one of my monitors |
| 06:59.54 | ircops | surprise... oops.. forgot my nick |
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| 06:59.58 | peterS | gentoothreefour: miguel van smoorenburg, author of sysvinit which is used in red hat and most (but certainly not all) other linux distributions? he wrote that for debian |
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| 07:00.00 | Gnea | wasabi: well that all depends - this lan is just that, a lan? |
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| 07:00.09 | wasabi | Not really. :0 |
| 07:00.10 | wasabi | Did you read up? |
| 07:00.15 | Gnea | apparantly not |
| 07:00.21 | wasabi | Oh boy. ;) |
| 07:00.22 | Gnea | but you want to do this over the internet? |
| 07:00.25 | wasabi | Yes. |
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| 07:00.32 | Gnea | and you want it unencrypted?! |
| 07:00.40 | wasabi | I'll reexplain, one sec. |
| 07:00.45 | Gnea | just stop and don't even bother. |
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| 07:00.51 | wasabi | eh? |
| 07:00.54 | ircops | booga |
| 07:01.00 | Gnea | you want to push private address space onto the internet - BAD IDEA |
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| 07:01.14 | wasabi | No, I want to eliminate the idea of private address space between my hosts. |
| 07:01.16 | ircops | if (vodka && sprite' == true |
| 07:01.23 | Gnea | wasabi: then use ipv6 |
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| 07:01.29 | wasabi | Good solution, or it would be. |
| 07:01.35 | wasabi | If even a portion of my devices supported it. |
| 07:01.39 | ircops | nevermind lol |
| 07:01.56 | ircops | I meant to hit ' but hit enter heheh... DON'T DRINK KIDS... THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS |
| 07:02.05 | Gnea | breaking it down like that just isn't a good idea |
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| 07:02.21 | wasabi | It's nothing different than a normal VPN. |
| 07:02.25 | peterS | ircops: I've never drunk kids. but thanks for the warning. do they taste good? |
| 07:02.28 | wasabi | Just without translation or two interfaces. |
| 07:02.40 | peterS | tcsetattr: ha |
| 07:02.41 | Gnea | a 'normal' VPN is encrypted and unbreakable (iow, it can't be sniffed) |
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| 07:02.47 | wasabi | This will be. |
| 07:02.52 | gentoothreefour2 | e |
| 07:02.53 | wasabi | By virtue of all of the real traffic being IPSEC |
| 07:02.54 | gentoothreefour2 | hey i saw a pixar demo in siggraph i think it was renderman and they are using a linux distro do you know if pixar uses linux? |
| 07:02.57 | gentoothreefour2 | anyone |
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| 07:03.03 | Gnea | ok ok |
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| 07:03.06 | Gnea | hold on |
| 07:03.06 | wasabi | The tunnel doesn't matter, if only IPSEC packets run over it |
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| 07:03.14 | Gnea | what difference does ipsec make? |
| 07:03.14 | ircops | peterS: not as good as you would think... tougher than I though they would be.. .I thought tender.. NOPE! |
| 07:03.19 | peterS | gentoothreefour: they use linux all over the place. this isn't where to answer that question though |
| 07:03.22 | nvz | its a drink we call the jeffery d. two kids in a blender with some vodka |
| 07:03.24 | liable | work is so overated.. |
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| 07:03.38 | gentoothreefour2 | anyone |
| 07:03.44 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 07:03.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 07:03.44 | gentoothreefour2 | pls |
| 07:03.44 | wasabi | OKay, so I have an unencrypted tunnel over the internet. So somebody can look at the tunnel headers. |
| 07:03.45 | wasabi | Great. |
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| 07:03.49 | Gnea | !pls |
| 07:03.49 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 07:04.00 | gentoothreefour2 | hi ircops |
| 07:04.01 | peterS | gentoothreefour2: please to return to your nick |
| 07:04.05 | wasabi | All the data on it, all communication between hosts, will be IPSEC. All data on the VPN will be IPSEC. Signed src and dst. |
| 07:04.12 | Gnea | wasabi: is this a honeypot? |
| 07:04.18 | wasabi | This is a grand experiment. ;) |
| 07:04.19 | ircops | gentoothreefour: NO COMPILING!! AGGGGHHHHGHGHHGHHHH! |
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| 07:04.23 | gentoothreefour2 | i cant i was pinged out in irc |
| 07:04.28 | Gnea | heh |
| 07:04.28 | wasabi | Mostly to make my Kerberos happy. |
| 07:04.30 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 07:04.32 | peterS | kill the other one then |
| 07:04.37 | ircops | lol bitch |
| 07:05.05 | wasabi | I have all these hosts, on all these disparet networks, some even roaming... yet they are all members of my Kerberos realm. Because of that all hosts much be able to reach each other without translation. |
| 07:05.06 | Gnea | gentoothreefour2: you don't know how to use services? |
| 07:05.22 | Syed | I have the 2.6 kernel of a Dell Latitude 600m laptop. I would like to manually start and stop Xserver. I tried the procedure on the Debian web site but it is not work for me any suggestions? |
| 07:05.29 | nvz | ok got a few, here is ircops on the right http://www.umluex.de/arschiv/umluex604/mojinosescozios.jpg and of course gentoothreefour2 also on the right thinking about debian http://www.umluex.de/arschiv/umluex604/dog_humping_leg-chim.jpg |
| 07:05.37 | Gnea | wasabi: and they will be sending unimportant information over them? |
| 07:05.43 | vineet | Syed: just remove the gdm package |
| 07:05.45 | wasabi | Oh yeah. |
| 07:05.48 | wasabi | This isn't fora job or anything. |
| 07:05.49 | peterS | Syed: you can manually start and stop the server by removing the 'xdm' package and using 'startx' instead |
| 07:05.54 | wasabi | This is for my house and my laptop. |
| 07:06.03 | concept10 | these people on CNN are idiots |
| 07:06.08 | wasabi | But it's more of a test to satisfy my curiousity if it's doable, reasonably. |
| 07:06.12 | vineet | s/on CNN // |
| 07:06.17 | Gnea | concept10: you're only figuring this out now? |
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| 07:07.11 | concept10 | Gnea: not really, just an observation at the moment, I hope that hurricane blows his ass away trying to get ratings reporting from the storm |
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| 07:07.34 | peterS | nvz: got one of a dog humping the stocking leg lamp from 'a christmas story'? |
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| 07:07.51 | Gnea | concept10: heh, i haven't watched tv at home in over a couple months |
| 07:08.03 | Gnea | i catch bits and pieces at a bar now and then |
| 07:08.07 | Gnea | but, tv suck |
| 07:08.08 | Gnea | s |
| 07:08.08 | nvz | peterS: no forgot about that |
| 07:08.12 | nvz | ircops: heh |
| 07:08.23 | wasabi | I have a TV... no cable or anything. Just for movies. :0 |
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| 07:08.34 | Gnea | well, i do have a tv |
| 07:08.36 | Gnea | it's very small |
| 07:08.37 | Gnea | and b&w |
| 07:08.47 | Gnea | with an antenna |
| 07:08.48 | peterS | ircops: if you really want it, http://p12n.org/tmp/mojinosescozios.jpg http://p12n.org/tmp/dog_humping_leg-chim.jpg |
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| 07:08.55 | Gnea | i paid $5 for it |
| 07:08.58 | nvz | here is Gnea about to kick nvz's ass for picking on him http://www.photopost.com/photopost/data/500/medium/107698Gerbil_Stomper.JPG |
| 07:09.26 | ircops | peterS: I'm not THAT lucid, mofo.. lol |
| 07:09.34 | Gnea | !helixsmite nvz |
| 07:09.50 | zeeble | hm. latex thongs. |
| 07:10.06 | gentoothreefour2 | ok guys brb |
| 07:10.08 | gentoothreefour2 | praying |
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| 07:10.29 | ircops | gentoothreefour2: pray for me to wake up tomorrow morning |
| 07:10.31 | peterS | zeeble: wow, haven't seen you in awhile. year and a half? |
| 07:10.32 | nvz | hmm. gonna have to get that girl some clear heels too. |
| 07:10.49 | zeeble | peterS: i drop in once in a while.. work :\ |
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| 07:11.06 | Gnea | nvz: i'm guessing helix is riding the storm out alright |
| 07:11.07 | zeeble | peterS: using winXP on the laptop right now, so gives you an idea ;D |
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| 07:11.21 | peterS | heh |
| 07:11.24 | nvz | Gnea: apperently. she's still here |
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| 07:11.31 | peterS | that means little |
| 07:11.36 | Gnea | right |
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| 07:11.41 | nvz | well if it was bad the power would go out |
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| 07:11.47 | nvz | is my view on it |
| 07:11.55 | peterS | nvz: last I knew she tunneled through some hosted server, so one can't be sure |
| 07:11.56 | Gnea | vodka sounds good |
| 07:12.13 | nvz | oh well hopefully all is well. |
| 07:12.32 | Gnea | now that would be nice |
| 07:12.41 | ircops | zeeble: ain't no kool aid in my cup |
| 07:13.04 | zeeble | ircops: no. you get a small bottle of green absinthe. |
| 07:13.10 | peterS | well, by 'tunneled' I mean ssh to a screen session, but I suppose you figured that out anyway |
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| 07:13.17 | tcsetattr | heh. I just envisioned an advertisement... "I was on IRC when my house was destroyed... nobody noticed because I use screen(1)" |
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| 07:13.39 | ircops | oOoOOooOoOoooooOoOoOo ABSINTHE!!!! :D |
| 07:13.43 | peterS | tcsetattr: ha. "my window screens were all blown down, but my irc screen is still running" |
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| 07:14.12 | ircops | starkle starkle little twink |
| 07:14.33 | Gnea | i do minor drugs |
| 07:14.39 | Gnea | like ibuprofin |
| 07:14.46 | peterS | ah but do you do minors? |
| 07:14.51 | wasabi | Cool. |
| 07:14.52 | zeeble | heh |
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| 07:14.54 | Gnea | uh, no |
| 07:14.56 | wasabi | OpenVPN supports PAM auth. |
| 07:15.02 | zeeble | is'nt gnea minor? |
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| 07:15.15 | tcsetattr | I heard a legend once about some guy who had a login session running 2 years after he died... I don't know if it was screen or just a long-uptime workstation left running in his office... |
| 07:15.16 | xixor | Hey everyone, anyone familliar with setting up wpa_supplicant? |
| 07:15.22 | peterS | this shredded cheddar cheese is evil. it forces me to eat it, just by sitting here. |
| 07:15.24 | ircops | who the hell you are I think, I'm not under what you call, the alcofluence of incohol |
| 07:15.32 | zeeble | damn. older than me. |
| 07:15.40 | Guerin | peterS: cheese that can be bought pre-shredded is always evil |
| 07:15.44 | Gnea | ircops: ha |
| 07:15.50 | zeeble | tcsetattr: i am sure it was a legend. |
| 07:15.58 | ircops | I'm just a little slort of sheep, I'm not drunk like tinkle peep, I don't know who is me yet |
| 07:15.59 | peterS | tcsetattr: whoa. I know joel klecker was still on irc a couple months after he died |
| 07:16.00 | metaperl | My external USB hard drive is not mounting. I have done modprobe usb_storage an\ |
| 07:16.00 | metaperl | d modprobe sd_mod with no errors. lsusb shows it here: Bus 002 Device 005: ID 1\ |
| 07:16.00 | metaperl | 058:0400 Western Digital Technologies, Inc. and here: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 1\ |
| 07:16.00 | metaperl | 058:0500 Western Digital Technologies, Inc. but I dont know how to mount it. An\ |
| 07:16.00 | metaperl | y suggests? |
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| 07:16.13 | tcsetattr | woo! |
| 07:16.18 | Gnea | Guerin: but cleaning cheese graters is a PITA |
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| 07:16.26 | ircops | I don't know who is me yet, but the drunker I stand here, the longer I get |
| 07:16.26 | Guerin | ircops: there's a good ad in NZ where a cop stops a car full of rugby hoons, and one of the passengers says "Good aftable constanoon" |
| 07:16.52 | nvz | gnea after cleaning the cheese grater http://www.catbox.com/firestorm/general_art/gerbil.jpg |
| 07:16.56 | ircops | Just give me one more drink, to fill me cup, 'cuz I got all day sober to Sunday up. |
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| 07:17.16 | nvz | the gerbil's are just too easy too many cool pics |
| 07:17.18 | metaperl | sorry about that. I typed up a single line and Konsole sent it as multiple lines |
| 07:17.48 | tcsetattr | metaperl, after loading usb-storage and sd_mod, cat /proc/partitions |
| 07:17.48 | ircops | Guerin: lol |
| 07:17.49 | metaperl | My external USB hard drive is not mounting. I have done modprobe usb_storage and modprobe sd_mod with no errors. lsusb shows it here: Bus 002 Device 005: ID 1058:0400 Western Digital Technologies, Inc. and here: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 1058:0500 Western Digital Technologies, Inc. but I dont know how to mount it. Any suggests? |
| 07:17.52 | Gnea | nvz: if i didn't know any better, i'd guess you have a gerbil crawling around your anal cavity right now :P |
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| 07:18.05 | ircops | http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=22684&messageid=1022007258 |
| 07:18.08 | metaperl | tcsetattr: I think its usb_storage, not usb-storage |
| 07:18.10 | peterS | Gnea: try talking to it |
| 07:18.12 | nvz | Gnea: I've never seen a gerbil that I can recall |
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| 07:18.13 | ircops | WOOO HOOO I PASTED AND IT WORKED |
| 07:18.15 | ircops | lol |
| 07:18.20 | Gnea | metaperl: you need scsi modules |
| 07:18.20 | nano_sor | is there a way to tar a direcotry without tar the files and subdirectory inside? i need to transfer a direcotry throught sftp. |
| 07:18.22 | peterS | metaperl: both incarnations will work in kernel 2.6 actually |
| 07:18.29 | ircops | that website is starkle starkle little twink |
| 07:18.29 | peterS | metaperl: so it's an easy mistake to make, which is "correct" |
| 07:18.34 | Guerin | !tell metaperl about usb sorage |
| 07:18.36 | Guerin | !tell metaperl about usb storage |
| 07:18.37 | tcsetattr | kernel 2.6 mangles hyphens into underscores, or vice versa... and I think it smashes uppercase letters to lowercase too, it's getting damn windoze-like. |
| 07:18.45 | Gnea | peterS: the gerbil? |
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| 07:18.59 | peterS | Gnea: the one you believe to be in nvz's cavity |
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| 07:19.06 | wasabi | Gnea, okay, I found this option: |
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| 07:19.10 | wasabi | server 10.221.114.0 255.255.255.0 |
| 07:19.21 | wasabi | That'll, from my understanding, assign that range to the clients. |
| 07:19.31 | ircops | damn there's no #drunk and my bugles are stale |
| 07:19.33 | ircops | lol |
| 07:19.34 | rokstar | is it possible to tell agpgart to use the option agpgart agp=try_unsupported if it is compiled into the kernel and not as module? |
| 07:19.35 | Gnea | peterS: leave the donkey alone |
| 07:19.43 | nano_sor | is there a way to tar a direcotry without tar the files and subdirectory inside? i need to transfer a direcotry throught sftp. |
| 07:19.54 | wasabi | So I should be able to, on the client, create a route that directs packets to 192.168.*.* to 10.224.114.1, and it should head over the tunnel. |
| 07:20.07 | peterS | rokstar: in 2.6 kernels there's a syntax for doing that stuff at the boot command line, but I forget quite what it is |
| 07:20.08 | wasabi | But right after that it says this: |
| 07:20.13 | wasabi | # Push routes to the client to allow it |
| 07:20.17 | Gnea | wasabi: see, openvpn can operate in several different ways - what you're refering to is a push |
| 07:20.20 | wasabi | blah, and shows the push option. |
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| 07:20.23 | wasabi | yeah. |
| 07:20.30 | peterS | rokstar: something like agpgart:agp=try_supported, but that's probably not right |
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| 07:20.32 | rokstar | peterS: i use kernel 2.4.30 |
| 07:20.36 | wasabi | The tunnel, I think, Will need to two IPs |
| 07:20.39 | peterS | rokstar: not sure then |
| 07:20.39 | wasabi | simply for routing purposes. |
| 07:20.41 | wasabi | Right? |
| 07:20.50 | wasabi | The packets should go in one side and come otu the other untranslated? |
| 07:21.14 | nvz | yeah if I ever get my fileserver cleaned up I need to update my images section definatly need a gerbils folder. I like the one with the mic stand that was cool. |
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| 07:21.19 | tcsetattr | rokstar, it is something like modulename.var=value |
| 07:21.27 | peterS | nvz: the one with the mic stand *is* pretty cool, yeah |
| 07:21.49 | rokstar | tcsetattr: in /etc/modules.conf? |
| 07:21.58 | Gnea | wasabi: but you can also set it up to use bridging on every endpoint - say every endpoint has at least 2 nics in it with multiple hosts attached to all those lans, you could put them all in the same namespace by assigning static ip's to each on each one's end, then running a script at runtime to enable a bridged connection - then run your ipsec and kerberos over those |
| 07:22.11 | peterS | rokstar: in /etc/lilo.conf append="" or /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:22.23 | ircops | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.28 | ircops | oops |
| 07:22.31 | Gnea | wasabi: it's possible and it works. |
| 07:22.45 | Gnea | wasabi: even windows networking operates with it |
| 07:22.47 | wasabi | Is that waht I really want? |
| 07:22.49 | rokstar | so i have to add append="agpgart.try_unsupported=1"? |
| 07:22.52 | wasabi | Doesn't sound right to me. |
| 07:22.59 | wasabi | I don't want to bridge all traffic, I just want to route specific subnets. |
| 07:23.02 | peterS | rokstar: if you use lilo. but we aren't sure of this anyway. |
| 07:23.04 | ircops | wasabi: your peas rule |
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| 07:23.09 | wasabi | ircops, so i hear |
| 07:23.21 | Gnea | wasabi: you can create the bridges, then route whatever subnets you want over them |
| 07:23.21 | rokstar | anyway it worth a try |
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| 07:23.46 | tcsetattr | according to Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt, the dot is correct |
| 07:23.50 | wasabi | i jsut realized im super tired, im going to bed |
| 07:23.52 | wasabi | bb tomorrow |
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| 07:23.55 | wasabi | thx. ;) |
| 07:23.57 | peterS | see ya, wasabi |
| 07:24.06 | Gnea | wasabi: heh, later |
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| 07:24.41 | nvz | peterS: I got a kittens folder already with some cute pics .. and I just found the funniest thing I've seen in awhile... looking for the kitten stickup picture. this site has some good ones. but this drunk pumpkin is funny: http://harry.ulyssis.org/pics/drunk_pumpkin.jpg |
| 07:25.01 | peterS | ha |
| 07:25.13 | Gnea | hehe |
| 07:25.25 | nvz | thats ircops right there |
| 07:25.40 | ircops | hehehe |
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| 07:27.34 | Punko | hi everybody :) |
| 07:27.36 | tcsetattr | usbcore.blinkenlights is a real option. |
| 07:27.38 | ircops | whatup |
| 07:27.41 | gentoothreefour2 | hi puff |
| 07:27.42 | freeneutron | B-) |
| 07:27.43 | gentoothreefour2 | hi Punko |
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| 07:27.49 | nvz | oh boy I really got to update my image gallery.. there are so many funny pics out there I dont have |
| 07:27.50 | gentoothreefour2 | hi ircops whattup |
| 07:27.51 | Punko | :) |
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| 07:28.07 | Gnea | gentoothreefour2: are you downloading debian then? |
| 07:28.08 | Punko | :D |
| 07:28.14 | peterS | tcsetattr: this I must see for myself |
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| 07:28.29 | ircops | gentoothreefour2: where have you been? DID YOU SNEAK IN?!?!?! *hiccup* |
| 07:29.15 | Gnea | man i fucking hate this town, i don't know anyone good enough to hang out with |
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| 07:29.31 | Gnea | just a bunch of thieves and miscreants |
| 07:29.41 | Punko | Gnea which is this town ? |
| 07:29.43 | Gnea | they all think that people not from the area are fucking gullible |
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| 07:29.51 | Gnea | Punko: phoenix |
| 07:29.57 | ircops | gnea: if you have google earth I will show you how desolate my hometown is... I am drunk ALMOST by myself |
| 07:30.07 | Punko | aha |
| 07:30.22 | Gnea | ircops: beingi drunk would actually be a good thing right now |
| 07:30.23 | nvz | gmaps has satellite too |
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| 07:30.46 | Gnea | i just lack the motivation to go to the store at the moment |
| 07:30.54 | Punko | hey I have a question about my debian |
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| 07:31.00 | ircops | Gnea: actually it is for me, just don't get me in contact with any human being for a little while or I'm liable to go AWOL on their ass |
| 07:31.01 | Punko | I installed the cyrillic environment |
| 07:31.02 | Gnea | ask it |
| 07:31.10 | Punko | and now i have a problem with some applications |
| 07:31.13 | peterS | tcsetattr: that's awesome |
| 07:31.14 | Punko | can i paste the err ? |
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| 07:31.26 | Gnea | ircops: yeah i hear that |
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| 07:31.41 | Gnea | people are fucking stupid |
| 07:31.49 | ircops | hehehe |
| 07:31.51 | ircops | always |
| 07:31.55 | Punko | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 07:31.55 | Punko | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 07:31.55 | Punko | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.55 | Punko | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.55 | Punko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:32.04 | Punko | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.05 | Punko | perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 07:32.07 | Gnea | doesn't matter if i'm living in the country or in a city |
| 07:32.07 | Punko | sorry :) |
| 07:32.09 | ircops | (at this drunken moment) |
| 07:32.10 | Punko | that was the err |
| 07:32.11 | Gnea | dumbasses everywhere |
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| 07:32.26 | Gnea | Punko: try a . /etc/environment |
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| 07:32.30 | Gnea | Punko: then try again |
| 07:32.51 | nvz | don't just love when they keep on pasting when they rejoin knowing that they shouldnt have done it in the first place |
| 07:32.57 | Punko | should i replace everything there Gnea or ? |
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| 07:33.13 | ircops | 'perl: warning: Falling back to the standard human behavior ("dumbass").' |
| 07:33.18 | Gnea | Punko: . /etc/environment <-- just type that, hit enter |
| 07:33.25 | ircops | that's most people |
| 07:33.27 | ircops | hehehe |
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| 07:33.28 | Gnea | Punko: then re-run your perl command |
| 07:33.30 | Gnea | hahah |
| 07:34.04 | Gnea | !dumbass |
| 07:34.04 | dpkg | 'perl: warning: Falling back to the standard human behavior ("dumbass").' |
| 07:34.12 | ircops | "Punko:: no such command." |
| 07:34.33 | Punko | :) |
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| 07:34.58 | ircops | damn... a fuckin' dollar |
| 07:35.14 | peterS | try tipping it over a bit |
| 07:35.16 | peterS | and shaking it |
| 07:35.23 | gentoothreefour2 | here is this debian?????????? http://graphics.cs.ucdavis.edu/~lefohn/work/lpics/lpics_siggraph.mp4 |
| 07:35.26 | ircops | that results in flat soda |
| 07:35.29 | peterS | if we don't hear from you in an hour or so we'll call an ambulance |
| 07:35.35 | gentoothreefour2 | hi ircops whattup |
| 07:35.38 | Guerin | gentoothreefour2: no, that's an mp4 file |
| 07:35.50 | Gnea | gentoothreefour2: no, that is what's left of your brain |
| 07:35.54 | gentoothreefour2 | Guerin: on the video if the os is debian |
| 07:36.05 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:36.09 | Guerin | gentoothreefour2: impossible to tell from a screenshot or video. |
| 07:36.10 | tarzeau | in 9 hours, 20 minutes, there'll be an emacs introduction by Ryan in #emacs, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ |
| 07:36.14 | gentoothreefour2 | is this debian on the video http://graphics.cs.ucdavis.edu/~lefohn/work/lpics/lpics_siggraph.mp4 |
| 07:36.16 | ircops | gentoothreefour2: whatup.. I always remember lame emerge-lick nicks and when they contact me... lol... *catches gentoothreefour2 pulling a fast one* |
| 07:36.17 | Gnea | Guerin: actually.... |
| 07:36.21 | sanxiyn_ | tarzeau: Oh. |
| 07:36.21 | Guerin | tarzeau: ah, awesome |
| 07:36.27 | Guerin | tarzeau: i wanted to not miss that |
| 07:36.27 | ircops | lick=like |
| 07:36.28 | ircops | lol |
| 07:36.31 | Punko | Gnea I didnt solve the problem :) |
| 07:36.34 | tcsetattr | ooh ooh can vi users heckle the emacs meeting? |
| 07:36.34 | ircops | I should sleep hehe |
| 07:36.34 | gentoothreefour2 | whatch it pls |
| 07:36.36 | tarzeau | oh i forgot to mention, emacs is the best editor ;) |
| 07:36.43 | sanxiyn_ | No! =3 |
| 07:36.55 | Punko | also when i start gdesklets and a plugin with cyrillic font and it begins to take 100% of my CPU |
| 07:37.00 | Punko | and i must kill it |
| 07:37.09 | Punko | and thats with xmms too .. |
| 07:37.12 | Punko | and other apps |
| 07:37.13 | Gnea | Punko: ok, try apt-get install util-linux-locales |
| 07:37.18 | ircops | noooo |
| 07:37.22 | ircops | don't kill xmms... |
| 07:37.25 | ircops | sublime rox |
| 07:37.29 | Punko | ahha |
| 07:37.31 | tcsetattr | In Soviet Union, CPU consumes _you_! |
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| 07:37.33 | gentoothreefour2 | sublime? |
| 07:37.36 | Guerin | eech, sublime |
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| 07:37.42 | gentoothreefour2 | yucky |
| 07:37.43 | gentoothreefour2 | lol |
| 07:37.45 | gentoothreefour2 | hi Guerin |
| 07:37.45 | Gnea | tcsetattr: NOOOOOO |
| 07:37.52 | nano_sor | is there a way to tar a direcotry without tar the files and subdirectory inside? i need to transfer a direcotry throught sftp. |
| 07:37.52 | Gnea | tcsetattr: Soviet *RUSSIA* |
| 07:38.09 | Guerin | ircops: heh. That IS a good song. pity about the rest. |
| 07:38.29 | tcsetattr | nano_sor, you are not being clear... you want a tar that contains no files, just directory? |
| 07:38.56 | sanxiyn_ | DCC kernel and win4lin patch, fun fun. |
| 07:38.58 | Punko | Gnea there is another err.... |
| 07:39.01 | peterS | nano_sor: scp -Cpr is quite good, but it does recurse. why don't you want that? |
| 07:39.04 | Punko | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 07:39.04 | Punko | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 07:39.04 | Punko | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 07:39.16 | sanxiyn_ | Punko: Generate locale. |
| 07:39.17 | djp | trying to install, however i get a message saying isolinux... disc error 80 and the boot fails. however it works fine with another cd-rom drive. what causes the disc error 80 message? the cd-rom that isn't booting works fine with other self-boot cds... |
| 07:39.26 | Punko | sanxiyn_ how ? |
| 07:39.34 | Punko | i`m sorry i`m new with debian ... |
| 07:39.46 | peterS | djp: guessing it's marginal hardware. the drive is in the process of failing |
| 07:39.57 | sanxiyn_ | Punko: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 07:39.58 | ircops | tar xjf canabbis_smoke.marijuana.i386.deb |
| 07:40.00 | peterS | djp: this other drive, did you try it in the *same machine*, or a different machine? |
| 07:40.02 | sanxiyn_ | Punko: Choose your locale. |
| 07:40.06 | Gnea | !tell Punko about locales |
| 07:40.10 | ircops | errr |
| 07:40.11 | ircops | lol |
| 07:40.15 | gentoothreefour2 | is this debian on the video http://graphics.cs.ucdavis.edu/~lefohn/work/lpics/lpics_siggraph.mp4 |
| 07:40.17 | ircops | tar xjf canabbis_smoke.marijuana.i386.tar.bz2 |
| 07:40.18 | ircops | lol |
| 07:40.20 | ircops | nm |
| 07:40.21 | djp | peterS, same machine |
| 07:40.28 | gentoothreefour2 | they have gnome bar there |
| 07:40.29 | ircops | hehe |
| 07:40.30 | nano_sor | tcsetattr: i want to tar a directory, but when i use this command tar cvzf foo.tgz, then extract it, everything insde the directory ahs a .gz |
| 07:40.31 | gentoothreefour2 | is that debian |
| 07:40.44 | peterS | djp: probably the cdrom drive is not very good, and has intermittent errors |
| 07:40.46 | ircops | !tell me -about lol |
| 07:40.48 | djp | peterS, the cd-rw drive that burned the iso works fine. my dvd drive on the other hand is the drive that fails |
| 07:41.17 | gentoothreefour2 | anyone |
| 07:41.18 | djp | peterS, hmm... you could be right... |
| 07:41.22 | sanxiyn_ | gentoothreefour2: Well, how can we know? |
| 07:41.26 | peterS | ircops: "lol" doesn't seem nearly as clever or original or cute when you're sober. that's apparently the problem |
| 07:41.32 | Gnea | gentoothreefour2: no, that's redhat |
| 07:41.50 | ircops | hmmmm... right.. clever? what's that? |
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| 07:41.58 | Guerin | doesn't seem original or cute when your age starts with >1 either |
| 07:42.09 | gentoothreefour2 | they should add some distro signature in the desktop bar |
| 07:42.16 | sanxiyn_ | gentoothreefour2: Why o why? |
| 07:42.17 | Gnea | gentoothreefour2: they already have. |
| 07:42.24 | peterS | djp: slim possibility that the bios isn't handling the dvdrom drive correctly. but I find that improbable |
| 07:42.26 | gentoothreefour2 | its not copyright but atleast you know what distro it is running |
| 07:42.33 | gentoothreefour2 | Gnea: what |
| 07:42.36 | Gnea | gentoothreefour2: look to the right of the gnome foot, there is a red hat |
| 07:42.39 | sanxiyn_ | gentoothreefour2: And why should one know it? |
| 07:42.49 | gentoothreefour2 | Gnea: gnome is redhat? |
| 07:43.03 | Gnea | gentoothreefour2: no, gnome is a desktop environment |
| 07:43.16 | djp | peterS, strange thing is it works with other burnt iso cds. i just wonder if the drive is slightly flaky, whether certain burns may have an issue with it? |
| 07:43.21 | ircops | !drunken decision |
| 07:43.22 | dpkg | Less Sid more Vodka. Take two blowjobs and call me in the morning (to tell me their numbers). |
| 07:43.28 | ircops | dpkg: good bot |
| 07:43.28 | dpkg | Thank You! |
| 07:43.43 | peterS | djp: quite possible. not all CDR media is created equal. some media is easier for drives to read than other |
| 07:43.50 | gentoothreefour2 | Gnea gentoothreefour2: look to the right of the gnome foot, there is a red hat? |
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| 07:44.13 | sanxiyn_ | gentoothreefour2: Why is it important to know which distribution it is running? I can't understand a bit. |
| 07:44.14 | Gnea | gentoothreefour2: are you fucking blind? |
| 07:44.28 | ircops | sanxiyn_: release. |
| 07:44.32 | sanxiyn_ | Gnea: Eh, I don't see red hat either... |
| 07:44.41 | gentoothreefour2 | Gnea: what do you mean there is a redhat |
| 07:44.47 | peterS | Gnea: maybe he just doesn't know what significance a red hat logo has in terms of linux distribution identification |
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| 07:44.52 | ircops | lol |
| 07:44.54 | sanxiyn_ | Gnea: Which timeframe? |
| 07:45.00 | gentoothreefour2 | is gnome created by redhat? |
| 07:45.01 | djp | peterS, nothing in my burn command that would cause an issue is there? sudo cdrecord -v -eject -speed=2 driveropts=burnfree dev=ATAPI:0,1,0 -data -pad foo.iso |
| 07:45.06 | sanxiyn_ | gentoothreefour2: No. |
| 07:45.07 | gentoothreefour2 | im linux newbie |
| 07:45.14 | sanxiyn_ | Guerin: Of course. |
| 07:45.15 | Gnea | sanxiyn_: it's at the beginnig, after the words and after the first scene - when the desktop 'lights' in and the lighting position is being swiveled around |
| 07:45.25 | peterS | djp: looks fine to me. I have no idea if burnfree causes a CD to look any different to a reader |
| 07:45.28 | Guerin | gentoothreefour2: your problem isn't that you're a newbie, your problem is that you're fucking stupid. |
| 07:45.35 | Gnea | sanxiyn_: look at the bottom-left of the desktop, just next to the foot in the gnome panel |
| 07:45.56 | ircops | "Look in the bottom left hand corner of your screen, and you should see a red hat on a gray background. This is your menu to get to your "Program Files" so-to-speak. Explore this. This is your friend." |
| 07:45.58 | peterS | djp: also, I think -data is simply redundant, but it might put the drive into a different mode than it would otherwise be |
| 07:45.59 | ircops | hehehehehe |
| 07:46.00 | sanxiyn_ | Gnea: Looks like Firefox logo to me. |
| 07:46.13 | gentoothreefour2 | it looks like firefox yes |
| 07:46.19 | peterS | djp: there are several data writing modes, and I don't know which one cdrecord picks as a default, with or without -data |
| 07:46.26 | sanxiyn_ | Gnea: I know what red hat logo is... |
| 07:46.28 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:46.33 | djp | ok cheers peterS. i may try one more burn (third time lucky) and see if it is the burn process |
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| 07:46.40 | Gnea | sanxiyn_: shit, you're right... |
| 07:46.47 | peterS | djp: if you have multiple stacks of CDR media, you might try a CD from a different stack |
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| 07:47.06 | sanxiyn_ | gentoothreefour2: In general, Linux distros can be customized heavily, and it's hard to tell which is which. |
| 07:47.07 | peterS | I mean if you have different brands, or they're bought at different times, type of thing |
| 07:47.20 | peterS | gentoothreefour2: you still haven't answered WHY THIS MATTERS AT ALL |
| 07:47.25 | djp | peterS, sure. thanks again. |
| 07:47.39 | peterS | gentoothreefour2: maybe it is red hat. maybe it is mac os x. WHO CARES? |
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| 07:47.49 | sanxiyn_ | Maybe it is Windows. |
| 07:47.58 | Guerin | BadgerOS |
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| 07:48.02 | sanxiyn_ | (With, say, CyGNOME) |
| 07:48.06 | peterS | could be BadgerOS. |
| 07:48.07 | gentoothreefour2 | oh yes peterS maybe its mac |
| 07:48.09 | Gnea | gentoothreefour2: yeah, it doesn't really matter |
| 07:48.19 | Guerin | kde runs on osx. Maybe gnome could too. |
| 07:48.25 | peterS | badgers do wear red hats sometimes, yes? |
| 07:48.33 | sanxiyn_ | gentoothreefour2: As it has "GNOME foot", it's probably GNOME. |
| 07:48.39 | gentoothreefour2 | there is no debian for mac but there is gentoo for ppc ;p |
| 07:48.39 | nvz | hah this is great I may set this as my root window decor http://harry.ulyssis.org/pics/wallpaper_i_made_today.jpg |
| 07:48.47 | Guerin | peterS: only when they've been into the mushrooms |
| 07:48.48 | sanxiyn_ | gentoothreefour2: No, there IS debian for PPC. |
| 07:48.53 | sanxiyn_ | gentoothreefour2: What are you smoking. |
| 07:48.54 | gentoothreefour2 | really |
| 07:48.57 | gentoothreefour2 | lmao |
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| 07:49.08 | xixor | nvz: that is great |
| 07:49.12 | Gnea | nvz: ha |
| 07:49.13 | gentoothreefour2 | im so stupid |
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| 07:49.20 | nkuttler | Guerin: of course it does |
| 07:49.32 | gentoothreefour2 | is it true mac will use intel cpus? |
| 07:49.42 | peterS | gentoothreefour2: dude, have you got anything to contribute to this channel? |
| 07:49.47 | peterS | gentoothreefour2: anything at all that has to do with debian? |
| 07:49.54 | nvz | only thing I dont like is the kde cog in the background |
| 07:50.02 | sanxiyn_ | gentoothreefour2: Yes. |
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| 07:50.14 | ircops | damn I don't want to stay at work all night fuckin' long, especially since people are working starting at 9:00am |
| 07:50.22 | nova | hi, what must i do to activate artwiz-fonts |
| 07:50.46 | gentoothreefour2 | wow u guys are buncha commies |
| 07:50.52 | peterS | Punko's quit message is wrong. Often they just ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they go back to ignoring you. |
| 07:50.57 | peterS | gentoothreefour2: yes, yes we are. |
| 07:51.00 | gentoothreefour2 | no freedom of speech here |
| 07:51.06 | sanxiyn_ | gentoothreefour2: Debian had PowerPC port since 1999 or so. |
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| 07:51.25 | nova | hi, what must i do to activate artwiz-fonts |
| 07:51.33 | TovarischGuerin | nova: no idea. |
| 07:51.33 | nkuttler | nova: install them? |
| 07:51.48 | sanxiyn_ | gentoothreefour2: Eh, actually, 1997. |
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| 07:51.54 | nova | nkuttler: after apt-get install artwiz-fonts it doesn't work |
| 07:51.55 | peterS | nova: right, there's a debian package called xfonts-artwiz. install that. |
| 07:51.57 | sanxiyn_ | gentoothreefour2: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/history |
| 07:52.01 | nkuttler | nova: restart x |
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| 07:52.08 | nkuttler | nova: man xset even |
| 07:52.10 | nova | nkuttler: already done |
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| 07:52.20 | ircops | lol |
| 07:52.21 | ircops | j/k |
| 07:52.25 | main | can someone help me out with a regexp for "find -regex" to match everything except dotfiles? |
| 07:52.29 | nkuttler | nova: xlsfonts, grep for them, if it's not there check your font path |
| 07:52.44 | xspy | Hi |
| 07:52.53 | gentoothreefour2 | sanxiyn_: thanks |
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| 07:53.07 | nova | nkuttler: they are there |
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| 07:53.30 | nova | nkuttler: i can remember that i must enable something but i forget what :) |
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| 07:53.41 | pacman | well, "main", you could just use find ! -name '.*' |
| 07:53.45 | nkuttler | nova: what application doesn't show them? |
| 07:53.51 | nova | nkuttler: aterm |
| 07:53.58 | nkuttler | nova: is xlsfonts show them they are there |
| 07:54.17 | nkuttler | nova: of course, you start aterm with the correct path option? |
| 07:54.19 | main | cheers pacman! |
| 07:54.21 | peterS | who are you and what have you done with tcsetattr? |
| 07:54.31 | nova | nkuttler: yup :) |
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| 07:54.56 | nova | nkuttler: i remember my last install that i had to enable some font setting to enable that kind of fonts |
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| 07:55.19 | arma | when i reboot after the first half of a sarge install, it runs a curses program to guide me through the second half. what is this program called? can i simply run it again? |
| 07:55.24 | peterS | nova: if you're talking about xft stuff, aterm doesn't support xft, I believe |
| 07:55.27 | blkrose | Ok, I'm having a brain cramp.. can someone please tell me how to change default application settings in KDE |
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| 07:55.34 | peterS | arma: probably base-config? |
| 07:55.43 | TovarischGuerin | arma: dpkg-reconfigure base-config might do it |
| 07:55.55 | peterS | or that |
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| 07:56.13 | ircops | blkrose: go to friggin' control center |
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| 07:56.16 | Zap-W | hi |
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| 07:56.23 | xspy | Zap-W hi |
| 07:56.25 | pacman | I dropped a connection, tcsetattr is a ghost. |
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| 07:56.37 | blkrose | control center does not have application options.. at least not that I saw |
| 07:56.46 | pacman | must be some long ping timeouts on this network. |
| 07:56.49 | nkuttler | pacman: /msg nickserv help |
| 07:56.49 | arma | yes. base-config is it. thanks. |
| 07:56.54 | sanxiyn_ | arma: Yes, it's base-config. |
| 07:57.05 | peterS | pacman: it's just that when you typed your response to 'main', I thought "hmmm that sounds like tcse-- oh yeah, pacman is his other name" |
| 07:57.09 | sanxiyn_ | You can set timezone later, for example. |
| 07:57.09 | ircops | !tell blkrose -about debian-kde |
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| 07:57.26 | peterS | apparently your typing style is distinctive enough... |
| 07:57.27 | pacman | NickServ? a silly fad. Didn't dalnet die already? |
| 07:57.29 | sanxiyn_ | Okay, DCC 3.0 pre 2 is out... |
| 07:57.38 | arma | i accidentally asked to manually select packages, and then it stuck me in aptitude, with no (clear) way to get back. i imagine i'm not the first one. :) |
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| 07:58.05 | peterS | arma: aptitude has excellent help, if you're into keystroke-based apps |
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| 07:58.29 | pacman | pacman was my original nick on efnet, long before dalnet or NickServ existed. People would actually fight over this nick, and flood me out to get it. So I switched to something nobody else would ever want: tcsetattr |
| 07:58.36 | peterS | arma: but I guess you're wondering how to restart the whole process. you *can* just run 'tasksel', which is an alternative (simpler) package selection interface. |
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| 07:58.48 | blkrose | ircops, what exactly is that suposed to tell me? |
| 07:58.53 | arma | peters: base-config started me back up just fine. |
| 07:58.54 | ircops | pacman: *claps for you* |
| 07:58.57 | peterS | arma: ah, good |
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| 07:59.07 | ircops | blkrose: go to fuckin' #debian-kde |
| 07:59.15 | TovarischGuerin | ircops: you might consider passing out in a corner someplace, instead of wasting time on irc |
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| 07:59.30 | blkrose | nice language! |
| 07:59.34 | ircops | TovarischGuerin: good call |
| 07:59.41 | bluelotus | Is there a command to find a file anywhere in your computer? Find doesn't seem to search everywhere... |
| 07:59.45 | ircops | blkrose: my apologies... TovarischGuerin is right... I am drunk lol |
| 07:59.51 | ircops | blkrose: sorry about that |
| 07:59.52 | sanxiyn_ | bluelotus: find does. |
| 07:59.55 | pacman | why, back then you could nick-collide people... |
| 07:59.58 | TovarischGuerin | bluelotus: find searches everywhere you tell it |
| 07:59.59 | sanxiyn_ | bluelotus: You can use locate, which is a bit faster. |
| 07:59.59 | ircops | TovarischGuerin: goodnight. |
| 08:00.03 | ircops | see you guys later |
| 08:00.09 | bluelotus | How do I tell it to search everywhere? |
| 08:00.14 | nvz | heh that is just wrong "The next time you're having a bad day, imagine this: You're a Siamese Twin. Your brother, attached at your shoulder, is gay. You're not. He has a date coming over tonight. You only have one ass." |
| 08:00.15 | sanxiyn_ | bluelotus: find / |
| 08:00.16 | peterS | pacman: what, you cause a netsplit then get on the other side of it and wait for the rejoin? |
| 08:00.18 | TovarischGuerin | bluelotus: find / foo |
| 08:00.24 | bluelotus | ... oh... ^^ |
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| 08:00.44 | bluelotus | wow... I tried like everything but that |
| 08:00.45 | bluelotus | Thankyou. |
| 08:00.53 | sanxiyn_ | ... |
| 08:00.53 | pacman | peterS, that was the idea, although splits were happening all the time anyway, some people would try to ping-flood the weakest irc server to cause one... |
| 08:01.11 | peterS | ahh. so you didn't always have to cause a netsplit, just wait for someone else to do so (: |
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| 08:01.42 | pacman | there were no timestamps, so on a nick-collide _both_ people got kicked off and whoever could reconnect faster would win the nick |
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| 08:02.11 | gentoothreefour2 | how do i free my memory |
| 08:02.20 | gentoothreefour2 | except kill all apps |
| 08:02.21 | peterS | pacman: right, gotcha |
| 08:02.21 | TovarischGuerin | holy crap ... hell has 10-15% cpu idle and 26MB ram free after installing the new rtorrent |
| 08:02.27 | pacman | and the favorite personal attack tool was "flash.c", which sent VT100 codes to flash and screw up the screen, delivered to your tty through talkd |
| 08:02.28 | TovarischGuerin | gentoothreefour2: you don't. |
| 08:02.44 | gentoothreefour2 | huh |
| 08:02.52 | gentoothreefour2 | ok |
| 08:02.52 | TovarischGuerin | !tell gentoothreefour2 about free ram |
| 08:03.02 | gentoothreefour2 | i see your point ok |
| 08:03.06 | pacman | the one constant is that IRC attracts abuse... |
| 08:03.08 | peterS | pacman: I once put vt100 font change codes in my .plan. that was kind of fun in an 18-year-old way |
| 08:03.10 | bluelotus | TovarischGuerin, I typed find / mysql*config.default.inc and it showed me everything on my filesystem... |
| 08:03.11 | Zap-W | has anyone succesfully managed to get samba+vscan+clamav working? |
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| 08:03.22 | bluelotus | TovarischGuerin, did I do something wrong? |
| 08:03.27 | TovarischGuerin | bluelotus: that's because you didn't construct your find line correctly |
| 08:03.29 | blkrose | I think I ask too easy of questions.. noone seems to know the answers heh |
| 08:03.49 | TovarischGuerin | Zap-W: wtf does samba have to do with virus scanning? |
| 08:03.49 | peterS | pacman: then I got tired of that and put a fake talk request, complete with beep, in ~/.plan |
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| 08:04.02 | sanxiyn_ | bluelotus: man find |
| 08:04.12 | pacman | peterS, I saw animated ASCII art in a plan before... but all the systems I used had fingerd that would remove control characters so I couldn't do it myself. |
| 08:04.15 | TovarischGuerin | so, we have a black rose and a blue lotus |
| 08:04.17 | Zap-W | TovarischGuerin: scan on share access .. |
| 08:04.18 | peterS | ahh |
| 08:04.19 | pacman | does freenode ever ping_timeout people? that's like a 20-minute ghost |
| 08:04.28 | sanxiyn_ | bluelotus: You do, find <place to find> -name <expression to match file name> |
| 08:04.28 | TovarischGuerin | anyone feel like being a yellow pansy? |
| 08:04.30 | bluelotus | sanxiyn_, I've tried that allready. I get lost in that file ^^; Or else I wouldn't be here sounding like a fool. |
| 08:04.38 | TovarischGuerin | Zap-W: why would you bother? |
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| 08:04.45 | sanxiyn_ | bluelotus: For example, "find / -name 'mysql*config'" |
| 08:04.48 | TovarischGuerin | Zap-W: run av on host machines. |
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| 08:04.53 | peterS | pacman: not sure what it does for disconnecting people. it does happen eventually. I just pinged tcsetattr so we'll see if it notices *that* |
| 08:04.57 | bluelotus | sanxiyn_, so I'd type find / -name mysql*config.default.inc ? |
| 08:05.03 | sanxiyn_ | bluelotus: Yes. |
| 08:05.12 | pacman | bluelotus, find is not a simple user tool, it's more like an advanced programming language that happens to be good for finding files. |
| 08:05.17 | Zap-W | TovarischGuerin: all files from gIft are saved in a shared folder so it must have virus protection |
| 08:05.37 | bluelotus | ahh. Thankyou very much. I apprecaite you're feedback all of you |
| 08:05.38 | TovarischGuerin | Zap-W: hahaha, you use gift. |
| 08:05.50 | TovarischGuerin | Zap-W: again: run the av on the host on which that directory resides. |
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| 08:06.08 | sanxiyn_ | bluelotus: You could try locate '*mysql*config*' too. |
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| 08:06.11 | Zap-W | TovarischGuerin: why would i want to do that? that's stupid |
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| 08:06.22 | gentoothreefour2 | you guys know good music |
| 08:06.23 | TovarischGuerin | Zap-W: not as stupid as av-over-samba |
| 08:06.28 | peterS | Zap-W: why would you want to run gift? that is a good question |
| 08:06.28 | Zap-W | TovarischGuerin: i dont need to scan the whole host machine just the share |
| 08:06.29 | TovarischGuerin | gentoothreefour2: yes. |
| 08:06.33 | gentoothreefour2 | some secret you wanna share |
| 08:06.35 | bluelotus | sanxiyn_, you mentioned before it was a bit faster... what does it lack? |
| 08:06.38 | gentoothreefour2 | its our secret |
| 08:06.42 | Zap-W | what's wrong with gift??? |
| 08:06.43 | TovarischGuerin | Zap-W: so just set the av program to scan the one dir. |
| 08:06.46 | gentoothreefour2 | TovarischGuerin: what do you listen too? |
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| 08:06.53 | sanxiyn_ | bluelotus: It searches files only after "updatedb" run. |
| 08:06.53 | TovarischGuerin | Zap-W: it gives you viruses *duh* |
| 08:06.59 | TovarischGuerin | gentoothreefour2: music, mostly. |
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| 08:07.05 | sanxiyn_ | bluelotus: That is, it needs index built to find files, so it can miss some. |
| 08:07.11 | Zap-W | TovarischGuerin: what would you use insted? |
| 08:07.21 | Zap-W | TovarischGuerin: do you know any p2p that dosent distribute viruses? |
| 08:07.28 | sanxiyn_ | bluelotus: Normally, "updatedb" is run daily. |
| 08:07.31 | gentoothreefour2 | anyone listen to bithoven on bit torrent |
| 08:07.34 | gentoothreefour2 | lmao |
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| 08:07.46 | bluelotus | sanxiyn_, oh. Is it a daemon or...? |
| 08:08.11 | sanxiyn_ | bluelotus: It is a cron job. Located at /etc/cron.daily/find in Debian systems. |
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| 08:08.26 | sanxiyn_ | bluelotus: So, locate wouldn't find files created today (for example) |
| 08:08.27 | TovarischGuerin | Zap-W: i almost certainly don't want the same kind of warez, gamez and kiddy porn that you do, but bittorrent, and I don't have any windows machines to worry about, but bittorrent works fine for me. |
| 08:08.43 | pacman | what are the odds I will download a virus that not only exploits an unpatched buffer overflow in mpg123, but also happens to work on PowerPC Linux? |
| 08:08.46 | TovarischGuerin | Zap-W: it's more about WHAT you download - and gift gives you much less control over that. |
| 08:08.48 | mwilson | Is there any other use for p2p? |
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| 08:08.56 | Zap-W | bittorents sucks , too slow |
| 08:08.58 | Syed | peterS: how would I remove the 'xdm' package? sorry I am new to Linux |
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| 08:09.06 | peterS | Syed: apt-get remove xdm |
| 08:09.08 | sanxiyn_ | Zap-W: BitTorrent is very fast if there are many peers. |
| 08:09.10 | bluelotus | sanxiyn_, oh. ^^ Cool. Thankyo. |
| 08:09.15 | TovarischGuerin | Zap-W: Rate: 865.3 # not slow for me |
| 08:09.20 | bluelotus | sanxiyn_, thankyou* |
| 08:09.22 | peterS | haha. the latest debian security advisory is pretty funny |
| 08:09.23 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 08:09.24 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 08:09.25 | Syed | peterS: thanks |
| 08:09.29 | TovarischGuerin | Zap-W: that's what I'm seeding at the moment. |
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| 08:09.36 | Zap-W | what are you d/l ? |
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| 08:09.48 | TovarischGuerin | Zap-W: i'm not downloading anything at the moment. |
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| 08:09.59 | Punko | re |
| 08:10.01 | gentoothreefour2 | TovarischGuerin: what client of bittorrent you using |
| 08:10.02 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: Which one? |
| 08:10.08 | Zap-W | anyway vscan was working fine til the last samba upgrade , |
| 08:10.09 | peterS | sanxiyn_: whereby debian fixes a bug in a webmail package that would have allowed exploit code to be passed on to Internet Explorer |
| 08:10.09 | aum | hi - apt (on sarge) wants to remove e2fsprogs to 'fix a conflicts/depends' loop!! trying to upgrade python2.3 - how do i 'activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option'? |
| 08:10.09 | TovarischGuerin | gentoothreefour2: rtorrent. |
| 08:10.10 | sanxiyn_ | gentoothreefour2: Official one, for me. |
| 08:10.19 | TovarischGuerin | peterS: hah |
| 08:10.19 | pacman | I've been using mutella... it's kind of buggy. Maybe I'll give gIft a try |
| 08:10.28 | gentoothreefour2 | oh ok |
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| 08:10.35 | Punko | I solve my problem.thanks sanxiyn_ :) |
| 08:10.36 | peterS | TovarischGuerin: that's right, it only affects webmail users who use MSIE |
| 08:10.37 | dregan_ | \help |
| 08:10.44 | gentoothreefour2 | when i use the official one it wont download the torrent |
| 08:10.51 | gentoothreefour2 | whats a good movie to watch or rent |
| 08:11.01 | TovarischGuerin | gentoothreefour2: apocalypse now redux |
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| 08:11.03 | gentoothreefour2 | something not new but unheard of im really bored |
| 08:11.11 | Zap-W | TovarischGuerin: i am connected to 4 networks at once , bittorent just dosent work for some things |
| 08:11.12 | gentoothreefour2 | ive seen apocalypse now |
| 08:11.15 | hyperstream | yay for partition magic 8! , umm i have a dual boot winxp, so im using partition magic on that os, now when i installed debian i chose a default way of setting up the partitions(i think it was desktop) now for a good decent like how it should be, how would i want my partitions? like one for / and one for /home ? or how does it work, and what would be good sizes for each (perhaps someone has an example of there setup?) |
| 08:11.26 | TovarischGuerin | Zap-W: it's all about what you download. I have great success with it. |
| 08:11.43 | gentoothreefour2 | TovarischGuerin: anything else |
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| 08:12.24 | gentoothreefour2 | later guys |
| 08:12.35 | gentoothreefour2 | i feel so lame |
| 08:12.37 | gentoothreefour2 | later |
| 08:12.56 | hyperstream | because i allowed 10gig for my / i think and it always gets fulled etc |
| 08:13.08 | hyperstream | and someone told me it nots a nice way to have you debian setup |
| 08:13.09 | peterS | we'll miss you. really. no kidding. you add so much value to our support channel. |
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| 08:13.44 | pacman | nicks longer than 9 characters are another dalnet innovation I didn't enjoy... |
| 08:14.12 | peterS | ha. freenode enforces usernames of 8 chars. that's annoying, especially now that they use 2 characters themselves |
| 08:14.15 | aum | hi - running a sarge server - apt broke after 'apt-get install python2.3' - all this crap about needing to temporarily remove e2fsprogs, but can't 'early remove' it even when i enable APT::Force-LoopBreak - any ideas? |
| 08:14.26 | pacman | hyperstream, 10 gigs root partition is huge, how could you fill it? |
| 08:14.37 | sanxiyn_ | !loopbreak |
| 08:14.37 | dpkg | 'apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade'. Fix suggested by xk. Then you can remove or purge outdated packages after the upgrade. |
| 08:14.49 | pacman | there he goes... |
| 08:14.53 | aum | sanxiyn_: thx, will try |
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| 08:14.54 | peterS | pacman: you finally ghosted |
| 08:14.56 | hyperstream | pack, im not sure |
| 08:15.00 | bob2 | aum: then you're not running sarge |
| 08:15.02 | hyperstream | because i have /home in there |
| 08:15.06 | hyperstream | and my /home is huge |
| 08:15.08 | bob2 | aum: actualy dist-upgrade to sarge and it will be fixed |
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| 08:15.16 | hyperstream | thats why i need to figure out the correct way to partition a linux box. |
| 08:15.21 | hyperstream | like whats most common ? |
| 08:15.26 | beppo | nobody has solved a problem with sound in sid's gnome 2.10 ? a problem with dsp probably ? |
| 08:15.33 | bob2 | aum: you're not running sarge, is my point |
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| 08:15.38 | beppo | I am searching a solution |
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| 08:15.52 | hyperstream | beppo, what issue is it ? |
| 08:15.59 | zapu | hi all |
| 08:15.59 | hyperstream | crackly / staticy sound ? |
| 08:16.11 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: Oh. |
| 08:16.19 | beppo | sounds an mixer are in kde , but in gnome no means to get it hyperstream |
| 08:16.27 | pacman | hyperstream, one big partition for everything isn't really a bad setup... separating /home is nice because you can then erase everything but /home for a reinstall later and still have your personal stuff. separating /usr, /var, and /tmp is also possible... |
| 08:16.28 | aum | i installed off sarge netinst cd |
| 08:16.55 | bob2 | aum: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood |
| 08:16.55 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: If you're referring to DSA 820, I wonder whether similar problems exist in bunch of other softwares too... |
| 08:16.56 | beppo | at the gnome session starting, gnome does not find the devel |
| 08:17.00 | zapu | Can someone help me? I don't know howto turn off starting in x. |
| 08:17.13 | hyperstream | pacman, ahh yep well, what is a Extended partition in linux |
| 08:17.16 | nkuttler | zapu: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 08:17.16 | peterS | sanxiyn_: yes, DSA 820 |
| 08:17.22 | Evangel | zapu: simplest to me seems apt-get install rcconf, then remove your display manager |
| 08:17.22 | sanxiyn_ | Conditional comments is explained here: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/condcom.html |
| 08:17.24 | hyperstream | like i just used partition magic to extend it thinking it was / |
| 08:17.26 | hyperstream | but its not |
| 08:17.28 | hyperstream | :/ |
| 08:17.31 | sanxiyn_ | Actually, it's very handy tool to workaround IE bugs. |
| 08:17.36 | aum | oh, i'm actually running 'testing' |
| 08:17.42 | TovarischGuerin | bah, fucking imbeciles at hanmail still reject my legitimate mail, on the grounds that forward and reverse dns don't match |
| 08:17.46 | nkuttler | aum: of course you are |
| 08:17.49 | TovarischGuerin | which in fact they DO |
| 08:17.58 | sanxiyn_ | TovarischGuerin: Yes, I HATE hanmail too. |
| 08:17.59 | peterS | sanxiyn_: the point is, I guess, that sqwebmail tries to remove all javascript from incoming email, but MSIE catches the stuff in comments so. |
| 08:18.05 | sanxiyn_ | TovarischGuerin: You will hate it more if you live in Korea. |
| 08:18.06 | beppo | hyperstream, the solution is un partition magic ? |
| 08:18.15 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: Yes. |
| 08:18.17 | hyperstream | beppo, what ? |
| 08:18.28 | aum | the dist-upgrade is now downloading 140MB of packages :| |
| 08:18.29 | hyperstream | i dont think so. i think partition magic is good :) |
| 08:18.33 | TovarischGuerin | sanxiyn_: but i DO live in korea ... and ALL the koreans I have to deal with ONLY have hanmail addresses |
| 08:18.34 | bob2 | aum: right, and you haven't run dist-upgrade since you switched |
| 08:18.37 | hyperstream | it converted my ntfs (160)gig to vfat |
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| 08:18.45 | hyperstream | now its totaly linux writable :D |
| 08:18.52 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: IE interprets Javascript if comment is surrounded by <!--[if IE]> <![endif]-->. |
| 08:18.55 | TovarischGuerin | hyperstream: that's a result. |
| 08:19.08 | sanxiyn_ | TovarischGuerin: I live in Korea too. Bad bad bad. |
| 08:19.11 | hyperstream | Guerin result of which? |
| 08:19.12 | beppo | nobody here had a problem with sound and mixer in the gnome 2.10 of sid ? |
| 08:19.16 | peterS | sanxiyn_: "if IE"? interesting |
| 08:19.23 | zapu | ok i have Rcconf, but what is the name of this login utility? |
| 08:19.25 | pacman | isn't that a bad precedent though? Can I write client software with whatever dumb security holes I want, then insist that web service providers filter out the stuf that causes harm to the users because of my stupidity? Why does Micros~1 get to do that? |
| 08:19.29 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: More here: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/condcom.html |
| 08:19.31 | TovarischGuerin | hyperstream: it's a result. A good one, in your case. |
| 08:19.31 | peterS | TovarischGuerin: that's the most ridiculous policy I ever heard of |
| 08:19.31 | Evangel | zapu: gdm, wdm, kdm, xdm |
| 08:19.37 | bob2 | beppo: you don't seem to have explained the issue very well |
| 08:19.37 | zapu | ah |
| 08:19.39 | hyperstream | oo |
| 08:19.39 | hyperstream | hehe |
| 08:19.40 | hyperstream | :) |
| 08:19.41 | zapu | thank you, i will try it |
| 08:19.43 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: It's actually a great tool to workaround browser bugs. You can do version test too. |
| 08:20.03 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: It's also documented, unlike (say) CSS hacks. |
| 08:20.03 | hyperstream | so is there no way to extend my / partition ? i have 25 gigs of unallocated space |
| 08:20.06 | Evangel | zapu: you can also just uninstall the display manager; rcconf comes in handy to restore it later |
| 08:20.08 | TovarischGuerin | peterS: the irony is that, as of last time i checked and sent an email to postmaster@hanmail.net, THEIR fucking front and back dns didn't match. |
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| 08:20.20 | peterS | TovarischGuerin: ha! go figure. |
| 08:20.24 | TovarischGuerin | peterS: no reply to the email, of course. |
| 08:20.34 | beppo | bob2, |
| 08:20.45 | pacman | hyperstream, if the unallocated space is contiguous with the end of the filesystem, you can extend it very easily... just change the ending pointer in the partition table and run resize2fs |
| 08:20.49 | peterS | so I guess hanmail is some large ISP or webmail provides in .kr? |
| 08:20.54 | bob2 | yes |
| 08:20.57 | TovarischGuerin | pthe biggest, by far |
| 08:20.58 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: Largest one in Korea. |
| 08:21.00 | beppo | okay, but the message error is in French when gnome starts |
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| 08:21.08 | hyperstream | its not :/ |
| 08:21.09 | Punko | does someone knows an console player to stream to a shoutcasta radio, but which has controls such prev/next song, search in playlist and so... |
| 08:21.10 | hyperstream | bugger |
| 08:21.13 | beppo | bob2, "aucun périphérique trouvé" |
| 08:21.14 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: Claimed to have 1/4 of all South Korean people as its member. |
| 08:21.21 | peterS | sanxiyn_: impressive |
| 08:21.24 | TovarischGuerin | peterS: hanmail addresses are more random and full of numbers than hotmail addresses |
| 08:21.37 | peterS | neat |
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| 08:21.44 | beppo | this problem of sound does not exist in KDE 3.4 |
| 08:21.52 | peterS | so it's like having your own personal md5sum |
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| 08:22.05 | hyperstream | or how about this, how can i move my /home to a new partition ? do i just cp -R /home /path/to/new/partition/ |
| 08:22.05 | TovarischGuerin | Punko: i think mpd has a shout/icecast output plugin |
| 08:22.06 | cat | hey i'm back |
| 08:22.09 | bob2 | beppo: what does that have to do with gnome? |
| 08:22.13 | hyperstream | but then how do i make debian use that new partition |
| 08:22.13 | TovarischGuerin | hyperstream: cp -a |
| 08:22.14 | cat | hyperstream: nope |
| 08:22.16 | cat | cp -a |
| 08:22.21 | peterS | "you can reach me at 401b30e3b8b5d629635a5c613cdb7919@hanmail.com" |
| 08:22.21 | pacman | hyperstream, GNU parted can do a lot of fancy stuff. maybe it can do some things that partition magic doesn't |
| 08:22.32 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: Daum also has "Cafe" service, a screwy community service providing some bad-ass bulletin board |
| 08:22.33 | Punko | TovarischGuerin thanks i`ll search it :) |
| 08:22.38 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: Numbering... 5 million. |
| 08:22.48 | peterS | that's kind of large |
| 08:22.57 | hyperstream | well i'll just create a linux partition with the 25gig's unallocated space, but how do i go about making debian use it as /home ? |
| 08:23.05 | beppo | bob2, if this problem of sound exists in gnome 2.10, but not in KDE, and not in windowmaker, I suppose that there is some links with gnome |
| 08:23.07 | pacman | do people really use internet mail in Korea, other than to spam the rest of us? |
| 08:23.13 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: You can find a cafe for any kind of interest, I think. |
| 08:23.25 | hyperstream | fstab? |
| 08:23.26 | sanxiyn_ | pacman: Sure. |
| 08:23.27 | TovarischGuerin | peterS: syn910825@hanmail.net gjrjr1103@hanmail.net rrwoo0601@hanmail.net |
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| 08:23.35 | peterS | TovarischGuerin: right, right |
| 08:23.39 | TovarischGuerin | for a random but unbiased sample |
| 08:23.46 | sanxiyn_ | TovarischGuerin: That's to avoid duplicates... and people like to put their birthday in mail address, etc. |
| 08:23.50 | hyperstream | ? |
| 08:23.57 | TovarischGuerin | sanxiyn_: yeah. |
| 08:24.06 | TovarischGuerin | sanxiyn_: is it enforced randomness? or what? |
| 08:24.07 | pacman | hyperstream, you could make a partition out of it, then mke2fs -j and cp -r and then edit fstab... then you can rm -rf the old one to free the space on the root partition, and mount the new /home and you're done |
| 08:24.15 | sanxiyn_ | TovarischGuerin: Not enforced. |
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| 08:25.33 | pacman | you don't have to jiggle the mouse and run your palms across the keyboard to generate entropy for your mail address? :) |
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| 08:25.43 | TovarischGuerin | pacman: not yet. |
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| 08:26.21 | TovarischGuerin | pacman: but a certain amount of collision is to be expected in a country of 45 million people where there are less than 300 surnames ... |
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| 08:26.35 | sanxiyn_ | Daum (which is same thing as Hanmail) is global #23 in Alexa traffic analysis. |
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| 08:26.59 | dpblnt | is there a way to ask the master STP about the current topology? |
| 08:27.01 | cat | !tell coolball about root |
| 08:27.05 | sanxiyn_ | It once was within global top 10. |
| 08:27.24 | sanxiyn_ | http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=2y&size=medium&compare_sites=&y=t&url=http://www.daum.net#top |
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| 08:27.44 | zapu | thanks, gdm is not starting now :) |
| 08:27.49 | cat | !info xserver-xorg sarge |
| 08:27.52 | Evangel | zapu: np :-) |
| 08:27.53 | bob2 | STP? |
| 08:27.54 | cat | alright |
| 08:27.59 | TovarischGuerin | cat: dream on. |
| 08:28.02 | cat | damn |
| 08:28.05 | hyperstream | how can i find out what /dev/hda* is my unallocated space? |
| 08:28.09 | cat | !info xserver-xorg sid |
| 08:28.12 | TovarischGuerin | bob2: stone temple pilots? |
| 08:28.12 | peterS | bob2: routing protocol for smart switches |
| 08:28.18 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 5571 kB, Installed size: 15736 kB |
| 08:28.19 | zapu | in which config i can make KDE running default (when i type startx?) |
| 08:28.19 | cat | is it on sid |
| 08:28.20 | cat | ? |
| 08:28.22 | cat | yes it is |
| 08:28.25 | TovarischGuerin | hyperstream: cfdisk |
| 08:28.30 | peterS | bob2: supported by linux bridging code |
| 08:28.32 | pacman | Standard Temperature and Pressure, as I recall |
| 08:28.34 | TovarischGuerin | cat: sid and etch |
| 08:28.37 | bob2 | wow |
| 08:28.37 | sanxiyn_ | zapu: .xsession |
| 08:28.43 | dpblnt | bob2: spanning tree protocoll |
| 08:28.44 | bob2 | that seems like a pointless mixing of layers |
| 08:28.52 | nvz | zapu: echo "startkde" > .xsession |
| 08:29.00 | nvz | er is it start-kde |
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| 08:29.01 | cat | what the heck is etch? |
| 08:29.01 | peterS | bob2: well, it's all layer 2, "routing" was my inaccurate description of it |
| 08:29.03 | zapu | ill try |
| 08:29.07 | sanxiyn_ | nvz: It's startkde. |
| 08:29.09 | pacman | isn't there some brctl command that prints the spanning tree? |
| 08:29.09 | cat | oh testing |
| 08:29.18 | sanxiyn_ | nvz: Perhaps "exec startkde"... |
| 08:29.33 | nvz | sanxiyn_: what for ? |
| 08:29.39 | sanxiyn_ | nvz: Save a process. |
| 08:29.44 | TovarischGuerin | nvz: man exec |
| 08:30.04 | nvz | sanxiyn_: are you some kind of environmentalist? |
| 08:30.07 | sanxiyn_ | You have one less shell process... Perhaps it doesn't matter. |
| 08:30.24 | cat | what was Unix shell back in the day zsh ? |
| 08:30.26 | cat | !zsh |
| 08:30.26 | dpkg | [zsh] at http://www.zsh.org (Powerful UNIX shell), usage tips at http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/zsh/tips.html, or good article here: http://www.daemonnews.org/199910/zsh.html, or much more powerful than bash, or going from bash to zsh is like switching from redhat to debian, or #zsh, or postpone questions until finishing http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Guide/ |
| 08:30.30 | cat | oh |
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| 08:30.35 | nvz | TovarischGuerin: No manual entry for exec |
| 08:30.35 | sanxiyn_ | nvz: Yes, but not in way "let's kill all Gentoo users to save Earth". |
| 08:30.37 | TovarischGuerin | cat: no. |
| 08:30.42 | cat | it was |
| 08:30.47 | TovarischGuerin | nvz: oh. Must be a shell thing, then. |
| 08:30.53 | pacman | exec is a shell builtin (it HAS to be) |
| 08:30.54 | sanxiyn_ | nvz: help exec.. |
| 08:30.55 | coolball | hi |
| 08:30.58 | cat | hi |
| 08:31.46 | pacman | zsh is the ultra-modern bloat shell... |
| 08:31.54 | cat | so what shell was it back in the days? |
| 08:31.56 | hyperstream | Guerin i just made this: hda7 Logical Linux 26213.97 |
| 08:31.56 | coolball | I can't add java capability to firefox... is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins the right dir to make a symbolic link? |
| 08:32.09 | peterS | cat: what days? |
| 08:32.10 | TovarischGuerin | !tell coolball about install java |
| 08:32.13 | cat | peterS: unix days |
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| 08:32.18 | pacman | how far back? in the beginning there was Thompson's shell |
| 08:32.20 | TovarischGuerin | cat: today? |
| 08:32.22 | hyperstream | Guerin: mke2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005) |
| 08:32.22 | hyperstream | Could not stat /dev/hda7 --- No such file or directory |
| 08:32.24 | peterS | cat: lots of shells go back to "unix days" |
| 08:32.24 | sanxiyn_ | cat: Bourne shell |
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| 08:32.34 | peterS | cat: there's Bourne, Korn, C shell, those are the important ones |
| 08:32.34 | cat | well i'm asking |
| 08:32.35 | pacman | then Bourne shell, then csh became popular for a while but never fully took over. |
| 08:32.44 | cat | oh |
| 08:32.46 | cat | !csh |
| 08:32.46 | dpkg | csh is, like, http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ or BSD's standard shell, and very useful, or perverse, or considered harmful |
| 08:32.53 | cat | oh ok great, |
| 08:33.08 | peterS | csh isn't considered harmful. csh *programming* is considered harmful |
| 08:33.13 | nkuttler | cat: you can /msg the bot |
| 08:33.16 | cat | oh is it |
| 08:33.17 | peterS | that's like when people say money is the root of all evil |
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| 08:33.25 | cat | oh damn |
| 08:33.26 | peterS | it's the *love* of money that's the root of all evil |
| 08:33.37 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: Aha. |
| 08:33.39 | pacman | oh and you might find in the old literature some references to "jsh", that's just Bourne shell with job control. |
| 08:33.46 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: That's called "raising" in linguistics. |
| 08:33.50 | coolball | !tell coolball about java licensing |
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| 08:33.52 | peterS | sanxiyn_: no kidding? |
| 08:33.55 | cat | oh jsh |
| 08:34.02 | peterS | pacman: ha, I totally forgot about jsh |
| 08:34.03 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: No kidding. |
| 08:34.21 | cat | can i apt-get install jsh? |
| 08:34.21 | peterS | sanxiyn_: it's a great technique for proving a fallacy |
| 08:34.23 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: "Money" is "raised" to mean "Love of money". It's common shorthand universal in human languages. |
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| 08:34.26 | cat | !info jsh |
| 08:34.29 | hyperstream | i just made this: hda7 Logical Linux 26213.97 then i did the following: mke2fs -j /dev/hda7 <--- the output of this was: Could not stat /dev/hda7 --- No such file or directory |
| 08:34.35 | cat | guess not |
| 08:34.44 | coolball | !tell coolball about contrib source |
| 08:35.08 | peterS | cat: chances are you wouldn't understand the difference between sh, jsh and ksh. so it hardly matters |
| 08:35.09 | sanxiyn_ | peterS: Some languages explicitly mark such raising. Many does away with null mark. |
| 08:35.09 | pacman | cat, if you want an old-fashioned shell that's included in Debian, go ahead and apt-get install dash, it's pretty bare. |
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| 08:35.59 | cat | oh yes i will, |
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| 08:36.11 | pacman | cat, the true old shells (Thompson's original /bin/sh and the true original Bourne) were not freely licensed... although you can get them now, I suppose, as part of the V7 UNIX archaeology project... |
| 08:36.13 | coolball | !tell coolball about contrib |
| 08:36.28 | cat | pacman: where? |
| 08:36.31 | hyperstream | pacman, anyideas/? |
| 08:36.49 | pacman | cat, I dunno, I heard you can get V7 for free, but I've never gone looking. YOu need a PDP-11 emulator to run it on. |
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| 08:37.00 | cat | pdp what the heck is that |
| 08:37.02 | cat | !Pdp |
| 08:37.04 | pacman | hyperstream, try a MAKEDEV? |
| 08:37.15 | peterS | cat: dude. google is your friend. pdp-11 is a machine architecture |
| 08:37.18 | sanxiyn_ | cat: An old machine. |
| 08:37.19 | pacman | cat, PDP are the machines that UNIX originally ran on back in the 1970's. |
| 08:37.25 | cat | oh |
| 08:37.45 | cat | peterS: i'm just installing Debian |
| 08:37.48 | cat | so that's why |
| 08:37.48 | TovarischGuerin | or a real pdp-11 |
| 08:37.53 | TovarischGuerin | toresbe has one |
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| 08:37.59 | zapu | why i cant install emacs? |
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| 08:38.08 | cat | zapu: because emacs isn't free |
| 08:38.11 | TovarischGuerin | !htfswk zapu |
| 08:38.12 | dpkg | zapu: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 08:38.12 | peterS | cat: debian doesn't ship any of the old shells. dash is as quaint as it gets |
| 08:38.18 | TovarischGuerin | cat: ha. |
| 08:38.18 | hyperstream | pacman, /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "hda7" |
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| 08:38.29 | cat | oh dash |
| 08:38.55 | pacman | dash is pretty luxurious. It has job control and aliases! |
| 08:38.55 | peterS | cat: you'll like it for 30 seconds then you'll get frustrated and never run it again |
| 08:39.02 | zapu | lol, but if i post error message you probably won't understand it too ;p |
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| 08:39.16 | hyperstream | hey Guerin: i just made this: hda7 Logical Linux 26213.97 then i did the following: mke2fs -j /dev/hda7 <--- the output of this was: Could not stat /dev/hda7 --- No such file or directory |
| 08:39.19 | zapu | (or maybe sum1 know Polish :P) |
| 08:39.24 | zapu | ill try to search the internet... |
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| 08:39.27 | hyperstream | i noticed you was afk :) |
| 08:39.31 | TovarischGuerin | hyperstream: no idea. |
| 08:39.39 | hyperstream | :/ |
| 08:39.43 | larrikin | can someone tell me where make-kpkg gets it's list of modules to package? I'm finding that a stock 2.6.13 build is missing modules built in arch/i386/ .. |
| 08:39.47 | hyperstream | back to partition magic heh |
| 08:39.49 | hyperstream | thanks guys |
| 08:39.53 | zeeble | zapu how were you trying to install emacs? as in what command did you issue? and what version/etc of debian are you running? |
| 08:39.58 | nkuttler | zapu: LANG=C command |
| 08:40.00 | pacman | hyperstream, first check /proc/partitions to make sure it's in there. Then do a MAKEDEV, or mknod it manually, or kick udev/devfs in the head until it gets made. |
| 08:40.08 | cat | !info emacs sid |
| 08:40.15 | peterS | hyperstream: don't try to MAKEDEV hda7, just MAKEDEV hda |
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| 08:40.17 | hyperstream | okes |
| 08:40.21 | peterS | hyperstream: but I'm guessing that's not your problem anyway |
| 08:40.23 | TovarischGuerin | !acs emacs |
| 08:40.24 | dpkg | apt-cache search emacs |
| 08:40.36 | pacman | this could be an instance of the "must reboot to reread partition table" problem. |
| 08:40.36 | hyperstream | no its not in proc/partitions |
| 08:40.37 | zapu | zeeble: tried apt-get |
| 08:40.46 | TovarischGuerin | pacman: ah, sounds right. |
| 08:40.48 | rokstar | something still wrong, the kernel start but i get a completely black screen (the hard disk seems to work) here my lilo conf: vga=0x318 (i think the problem should be this) |
| 08:40.54 | pacman | if you change the partition table while you have _any_ partition on that disk mounted, the cahnge will not be seen by the kernel. |
| 08:41.02 | TovarischGuerin | larrikin: i've never had any such problem. |
| 08:41.03 | hyperstream | pp |
| 08:41.05 | hyperstream | ahh |
| 08:41.08 | hyperstream | ok i'll reboot |
| 08:41.10 | hyperstream | thanks man |
| 08:41.10 | hyperstream | bbs |
| 08:41.36 | cat | what does bbs meens |
| 08:41.45 | TovarischGuerin | bulletin board service |
| 08:41.45 | rokstar | bebacksoon? |
| 08:41.47 | hyperstream | be back soon |
| 08:41.48 | cat | oh |
| 08:42.06 | zeeble | zapu try apt-get update && apt-get install emacs21 |
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| 08:42.25 | zeeble | zapu then say what error you get. |
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| 08:42.42 | coolball | !tell coolball about contrib |
| 08:43.17 | rokstar | nobody knows why do i get the black screen during the boot? (and so i'm totally blind about the kernel loading, it could even go in kernel panic as far as i know) |
| 08:43.28 | cat | . |
| 08:43.33 | pacman | speaking of shells, what does everyone think of this: for sh in ash bash zsh;do $sh -c 'echo "foo\nbar"';done |
| 08:43.36 | cat | coolball: just msg the Bot /msg dpkgggg |
| 08:43.37 | larrikin | TovarischGuerin: I'm missing at least arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq |
| 08:44.02 | SuperSox | rokstar: you probably have append=quiet in your grub or lilo config (at least I think that's the line) |
| 08:44.30 | rokstar | the only append i have is: append="hdc=ide-scsi" |
| 08:44.50 | peterS | pacman: what I find more interesting is that the more portable method, echo -e, fails on dash |
| 08:44.55 | TovarischGuerin | !vga16 |
| 08:45.20 | TovarischGuerin | bah ... i forget exactly which append line, but it's something like vga=16 |
| 08:45.21 | larrikin | TovarischGuerin: I take that back, the modules are installed.. modprobe is confused |
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| 08:45.27 | TovarischGuerin | larrikin: aha. |
| 08:45.32 | peterS | video=vga16:off |
| 08:45.35 | peterS | with woody kernels |
| 08:45.44 | peterS | not sure about sarge kernels as they generally use vesa rather than vga16 |
| 08:45.49 | pacman | peterS, I don't mind the absence of echo -e, but have observed some breakage due to the unwanted interpretation of \\n (I can't remember what broke right now...) |
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| 08:46.19 | peterS | pacman: well, with zsh all bets are off. they do whatever they think is cool and never mind what posix says or what generic scripts will expect |
| 08:46.44 | coolball | i get errors when I add contrib to the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:46.56 | pacman | peterS, I think the [d]ash behavior is wrong, but I don't have the POSIX standard around... |
| 08:47.11 | valdyn | coolball: contrib lines sounds like bs, what are you adding? |
| 08:47.13 | peterS | you are probably right. the behavior does surprise me. |
| 08:47.20 | coolball | java |
| 08:47.42 | larrikin | TovarischGuerin: bah.. okay.. so the acpi-cpufreq P-States driver isn't recognising my processor/bios/whatever .. well thats a long way from modules not being included.. |
| 08:47.45 | coolball | valdyn: or jre |
| 08:47.45 | peterS | though the fact that zsh does it doesn't really surprise me. it's something they *would* do |
| 08:48.08 | pacman | peterS, oh I see zsh's behavior depends on the BSD_ECHO option. With BSD_ECHO it does what I want it to do. |
| 08:48.09 | valdyn | coolball: you're talking about syntax errors, so what are you adding literally |
| 08:48.09 | TovarischGuerin | larrikin: heh. I love a{CPI,PM} |
| 08:48.25 | pacman | peterS, when I ran the commands, zsh behaved like bash, because I setopt BSD_ECHO in my .zshenv :) |
| 08:48.31 | peterS | ahhh |
| 08:48.49 | coolball | valdyn: java runtime environment |
| 08:48.57 | pacman | peterS, should have done $sh -cf |
| 08:49.13 | peterS | heh. is sh -f portable? I thought that was a cshism |
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| 08:49.37 | peterS | ah, looks like it is |
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| 08:49.43 | pacman | oh I see ash -f means something different. |
| 08:49.47 | valdyn | coolball: just paste your sources.list somewhere. ( not here ) |
| 08:49.59 | peterS | debian specifies for posix shells that they have to support echo -n |
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| 08:50.03 | pacman | zsh took the -f option from csh (it stole basically all the good features of tcsh) |
| 08:50.04 | peterS | as opposed to, you know, echo ...\c |
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| 08:50.13 | coolball | valdyn: ok... |
| 08:50.23 | valdyn | coolball: and the error too |
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| 08:50.29 | peterS | that way debian scripts don't have to do that "-n or \c?" dance |
| 08:50.29 | pacman | what about echo "foo\nbar" though... ugh, I miss the good old days when "echo -e" would just echo a damn "-e". |
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| 08:50.52 | peterS | right, "\n" seems like a bug to me, but perhaps it's one of those things that's just left unspecified |
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| 08:50.59 | peterS | I mean interpreting the \n as newline |
| 08:51.13 | pacman | wish I could remember what I was doing when I first noticed this ash \n thing |
| 08:52.00 | peterS | maybe it was some tr "$(echo ... | ...)" thing |
| 08:52.09 | peterS | where you wanted a literal "\n" to go to tr |
| 08:52.32 | peterS | or sed or whoever |
| 08:52.50 | pacman | yeah, seems like it could be, I wanted to run it by someone who has POSIX on his bookshelf |
| 08:53.01 | pacman | printf(1) is the standard escape hatch |
| 08:53.08 | peterS | heh, sorry. I've got APUE but that doesn't deal in shell features much |
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| 08:53.25 | pacman | everybody else got quiet too. |
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| 08:53.28 | peterS | it's a nice portability reference for the Unix C API though |
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| 08:53.51 | coolball | valdyn will you join #valdyn please? |
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| 08:54.03 | valdyn | !paste |
| 08:54.03 | dpkg | paste is probably Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 08:54.10 | valdyn | coolball: use that URL |
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| 08:55.02 | pacman | at least dash's man page matches its actual behavior. -n is recognized, as are \n \r etc. and \c |
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| 08:55.27 | valdyn | wasnt there a bot linked to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ ? |
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| 08:55.46 | Phated | paster, yeah. |
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| 08:55.55 | TPC | hey |
| 08:55.59 | Phated | He might be +q, though. Someone kept using him to flood. :) |
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| 08:56.01 | TPC | where have all my man pages gone off to? |
| 08:56.05 | valdyn | I see |
| 08:56.15 | TPC | the normal ones are there, like for ls |
| 08:56.15 | peterS | pacman: that's always nice, when behavior is documented even if it isn't what you think is right |
| 08:56.21 | TPC | but the ones for systems calls are not there |
| 08:56.36 | peterS | TPC: install 'manpages-dev' |
| 08:56.43 | TPC | peterS, ok |
| 08:57.06 | coolball | is there a preferred sources.list i can dl somewhere? |
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| 08:57.38 | TPC | peterS, that worked, thanks :) |
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| 08:57.41 | pacman | you can run apt-setup |
| 08:57.45 | valdyn | coolball: you can generate one with apt-setup, though it shouldnt be to hard to paste yours and fix that error |
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| 08:57.59 | peterS | coolball: for stable? there is http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.sarge |
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| 08:58.28 | Quibus | hi all... There was a way to find out what packages aren't used by any other. Can someone tell me how to do that? I'd like to clean up some obsoleted packages from my system. |
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| 08:58.47 | coolball | valdyn ok maybe apt-setup is easiest though? |
| 08:59.00 | valdyn | coolball: maybe, just wont cover java for you |
| 08:59.07 | pacman | Quibus, deborphan |
| 08:59.15 | valdyn | coolball: or whatever it is you're trying to add |
| 08:59.42 | Quibus | pacman: thanks! |
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| 09:00.05 | peterS | Quibus: if you run aptitude and go through and mark all the packages you don't want installed explicitly, using the 'M' key, it will remove whichever ones aren't required |
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| 09:00.30 | Quibus | I wonder why I would like to remove libcairo1 though |
| 09:00.36 | hyperstream | pacman, that worked :) |
| 09:00.48 | coolball | well I installed java the hard way... I was hoping i just used the wrong directory for the symbolic link... /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins |
| 09:00.49 | Quibus | peterS: thanks |
| 09:01.30 | coolball | are broken links a different color? |
| 09:01.53 | pacman | if deborphan says something is unused, that means there are no other packages that require it (if you apt-get remove it, it won't take anything else along with it). that doesn't mean you aren't using it... but if it's a library and you haven't compiled anything against it, it can go. |
| 09:01.58 | hyperstream | pacman, so now that its a linux ext3 i want to say mount it at a temporary place? then cp /home to hda7 then i remount the ext3 partition at /home ???? or no ? |
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| 09:03.13 | pacman | hyperstream, that sounds about right. mkdir /mnt/newhome ; mount /dev/hda7 /mnt/newhome ; cp -a /home/* /mnt/newhome ; rm -rf /home/* ; umount /dev/hda7 ; mount /dev/hda7 /home ; vi /etc/fstab |
| 09:03.24 | pacman | be careful though :) |
| 09:03.34 | hyperstream | whys that? |
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| 09:03.43 | pacman | because rm is forever |
| 09:03.47 | Phated | Yeh. |
| 09:03.54 | Quibus | peterS: Hmm, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. HOw can I just let it remove all stuff that deborphan reports? I want to let all those libs go |
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| 09:04.07 | hyperstream | i mean im using gnome which means im using a x session management system can i actually rm /home ? without issues? |
| 09:04.11 | pacman | just run it like this: apt-get remove `deborphan` |
| 09:04.25 | Quibus | good idea ;) |
| 09:04.26 | valdyn | hyperstream: you shouldnt, log out first |
| 09:04.45 | Quibus | pacman: why didn't I think of that!? |
| 09:04.45 | valdyn | hyperstream: and log in only as root in a console, do you stuff, log back in as user in X |
| 09:04.45 | pacman | hyperstream, you'll have to log all non-root users out of the system at smoe point, in order to get them out of the old /home |
| 09:04.48 | pacman | you could delay that until your next reboot. |
| 09:04.52 | peterS | Quibus: run aptitude interactively. hit [ on the 'installed packages' line to expand it to show all your installed packages. for each package that you don't explicitly want, hit A and the "A" flag will be enabled. if the package is not used by other packages, it will be marked for removal. if it *is* used by other packages, it won't |
| 09:05.04 | pacman | but if you mount the new partition on top of the old /home directory, you will have no way to remove the files that are underneath. |
| 09:05.12 | peterS | Quibus: you only have to do this once - aptitude remembers this state later, and will maintain it for other packages you install using aptitude |
| 09:05.18 | hyperstream | shit |
| 09:05.20 | hyperstream | this sounds dodgy |
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| 09:05.35 | hyperstream | well ill just drop to raw console and kill gmd (x) |
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| 09:05.42 | hyperstream | then do as you guys said |
| 09:05.43 | peterS | hyperstream: easier to 'mv /home /home.old; mkdir /home' and go from there |
| 09:05.58 | pacman | hyperstream, sorry I don't have a perfectly smooth method... maybe using mount --bind it could be done without disrupting existing sessions. |
| 09:06.01 | valdyn | hyperstream: dont forget: gnome runs processes even if you log out, kill those |
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| 09:06.12 | Quibus | thanks folks! Just cleaned up 45MB :) |
| 09:06.13 | peterS | hyperstream: later you can blow it away, after nobody's using the old copy. that's slightly less dodgy, though it carries the risk of some users losing their work that they tried to save after you copied it over |
| 09:06.25 | hyperstream | hmm |
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| 09:06.31 | valdyn | Quibus: you sound like localepurge is what you need ;) |
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| 09:06.44 | hyperstream | petes so your saying to make a backup first ? then copy /home to /new/home |
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| 09:06.52 | peterS | hyperstream: I'd do what pacman suggested as far as 'cp -a /home /mnt/home' but then you can 'mv /home /home.old' and mkdir /home and remount the other thing as /home |
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| 09:07.21 | peterS | hyperstream: at that point you'll have /home.old on the root partition, and /home on a new partition, and they'll have identical contents |
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| 09:07.38 | hyperstream | ahh yesi see |
| 09:07.39 | pacman | we're saying if this is just your personal workstation, ffs just shutdown to single user mode! if it's a server with hundreds of logged-in users so you can't shut it down, my rate is $80/hr... |
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| 09:07.42 | peterS | hyperstream: existing logged-in processes will still be referencing things in /home.old but as new things are started up, they'll use /home |
| 09:07.57 | hyperstream | i can do what you just said in gnome right? like back up files etc to new partition |
| 09:08.04 | hyperstream | just when i go to remount i should do it in console |
| 09:08.28 | peterS | hyperstream: why would you do that? 'cp -a' is extremely simple. I wouldn't trust the gui tools to get this stuff right, but maybe they do |
| 09:08.48 | hyperstream | ahh yep okies ill drop to console |
| 09:08.51 | hyperstream | thanks alot |
| 09:09.03 | hyperstream | one thing is there a way to kill x + gnome with a command |
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| 09:09.10 | hyperstream | instead of finding proc's and killing |
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| 09:09.17 | peterS | hyperstream: just log out of gnome, is the easy way |
| 09:09.17 | valdyn | hyperstream: who said you needed to kill X ? |
| 09:09.25 | pacman | think about it. If you copy all the data then exit gnome, gnome is going to save a bunch of crap on exit, and it's going to be saving to the dead area that you're about to delete. |
| 09:09.35 | hyperstream | no worries ill give it a shot |
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| 09:09.49 | peterS | pacman: OTOH, the crap gnome wants to save is probably expendable anyway (: |
| 09:09.57 | pacman | true |
| 09:10.24 | ajie | hallo |
| 09:10.41 | ajie | hallo |
| 09:10.45 | ajie | kenalan dong |
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| 09:10.52 | hyperstream | well is it possible to cp -a from a terminal in gnome, or does gnome lock some files therefore it cannot be copyed etc |
| 09:11.00 | hyperstream | thats a question that is like windows vs linux |
| 09:11.01 | hyperstream | :) |
| 09:11.04 | pacman | ideally you want to remount /home readonly while transferring stuff off of it... or at least lock out the users so they can't log in and do any writes. I did this once with a script that did the lockout, kill all processes, copy the user dir, symlink it, unlock... one user at a time, so each user was only unable to access his home dir for a few seconds, I don't think anyone noticed. |
| 09:11.04 | hyperstream | windows locks |
| 09:11.05 | hyperstream | :/ |
| 09:11.19 | hyperstream | im the only user |
| 09:11.34 | peterS | hyperstream: right, you can do it and it'll probably work fine. linux apps generally don't lock the heck out of their files like windows apps typically do |
| 09:11.35 | ajie | kamu oreang mana |
| 09:11.47 | hyperstream | k |
| 09:11.48 | hyperstream | brb |
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| 09:11.56 | peterS | hyperstream: the sticking point is that since you have a session open, gnome *might* be tryihng to save stuff as you're copying it over |
| 09:12.06 | hyperstream | oo |
| 09:12.07 | hyperstream | i see |
| 09:12.10 | peterS | it's not that the files will be locked |
| 09:12.17 | peterS | they just might get copied in some half-saved state |
| 09:12.26 | peterS | which is unlikely, but gnome is gnome and we don't trust it fully |
| 09:13.17 | peterS | this *is* one of those things I hate about windows |
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| 09:13.31 | peterS | the culture of "lock every single file you ever touch, in such a way that nobody else can even *read* it while you're running" |
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| 09:13.48 | pacman | Linux does support mandatory locks... or it used to. But nobody in their right mind uses them. |
| 09:13.49 | hyperstream | yeah |
| 09:13.54 | hyperstream | okies |
| 09:13.55 | peterS | not entirely windows's fault, but they apparently encouraged this culture, so we can blame them anyway |
| 09:13.57 | hyperstream | byes |
| 09:13.59 | hyperstream | thanks! |
| 09:14.19 | pacman | the thing I notice most is "you can't unlink a file that's open"... hell, I _need_ to do that. |
| 09:14.26 | peterS | pacman: right, or rename |
| 09:14.32 | peterS | that bugs me too, for the same reasons |
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| 09:16.03 | pacman | you always have to find the virus process and kill it before you can rm the exe file... (and they don't have fuser -k either, the savages) |
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| 09:18.57 | pacman | I gotta figure out this zsh completion stuff, a couple of them are bothering me |
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| 09:19.18 | Eiscreme | hi |
| 09:19.37 | pacman | hi eiscreme |
| 09:19.43 | Eiscreme | hi pacman |
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| 09:20.07 | pacman | it's quiet, entertain us |
| 09:20.18 | Eiscreme | pacman: hum |
| 09:20.34 | Eiscreme | I am just trying around with my sound device |
| 09:20.40 | Eiscreme | and I begin hating it |
| 09:20.46 | Eiscreme | thats it ... I am not funny |
| 09:20.48 | Eiscreme | :) |
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| 09:22.40 | Eiscreme | what device is used, when I record stuff with a microphone? |
| 09:23.30 | pacman | it comes through /dev/dsp or /dev/audio - the same device you use to output to the speakers. read from /dev/dsp is mic, write to /dev/dsp is speakers. You have to select the mic as the active input device using a mixer |
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| 09:23.51 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 09:24.26 | amorphix | does anyone know if the light should come on, on a Wacom serial pad as soon as it's plugged in, or only after the driver has been initialised |
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| 09:24.51 | Zap-W | semicolon is this ; ? |
| 09:24.55 | bartden | hi, how can i set-UID root some file |
| 09:24.57 | amorphix | yes |
| 09:25.02 | amorphix | thats a semi-colon |
| 09:25.31 | peterS | bartden: dude, if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
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| 09:26.25 | bartden | ha |
| 09:26.26 | peterS | bartden: that's like "I want to figure out how to drive a car, where do I put the key in?" |
| 09:26.42 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 09:27.55 | peterS | under the "enough rope to hang yourself" theory, though, I offer 'chmod u+s' |
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| 09:28.28 | meredydd | That was a touch uncharitable, peterS... |
| 09:28.40 | meredydd | I learnt what suid was before how to do it. |
| 09:29.04 | peterS | as may be, meredydd, as may be |
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| 09:31.21 | trueno | !qt |
| 09:31.21 | dpkg | i heard qt is a cross-platform toolkit developed by TrollTech Inc, that works across UNIX (X11), Windows, and Mac (http://www.trolltech.com). To compile packages (mainly KDE) using it on Debian, try: --prefix=/usr --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 |
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| 09:31.45 | trueno | !install qt |
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| 09:31.53 | peterS | trueno: apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev |
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| 09:32.01 | trueno | thanks :-) |
| 09:32.08 | peterS | (: |
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| 09:33.10 | peterS | trueno: also read the description, 'apt-cache show libqt3-mt-dev' - the second paragraph contains useful information for what to do if your program still fails to compile |
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| 09:33.18 | el | hola |
| 09:33.53 | peterS | el:s:es:en: # please |
| 09:34.00 | el | quetal a todos?? |
| 09:34.03 | el | como |
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| 09:34.27 | trueno | peterS: Well, I think I just need it to run other people's programs -at least by now..- |
| 09:34.27 | derobert | OK, before I start a flamewar on -devel, can someone tell me a good reason why /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults is in /etc ? |
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| 09:34.52 | peterS | trueno: to *run* other people's programs, generally you just install the debian package of a program and it pulls in the right qt packages as dependencies |
| 09:35.07 | el | alguien sabe español? |
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| 09:35.38 | peterS | derobert: the horror |
| 09:35.39 | meredydd | el: #debian-es, I believe |
| 09:35.47 | pacman | because FHS and/or FSSTND is stupid and omits /usr/etc, so all configuration files no matter how huge and irrelevent to the boot process end up in /etc, bloating the root partition |
| 09:35.54 | trueno | peterS: It is just about tarballs and third-party not-so-well-formed .debs |
| 09:35.54 | el | alguien sabe español |
| 09:35.58 | trueno | el si |
| 09:36.13 | derobert | peterS: Well, considering I'm trying to compare /etc on two machines, and that directory gives me 70,000 lines of diff, yes, it's a fucking horror. |
| 09:36.22 | el | quien sabe español? |
| 09:36.32 | derobert | peterS: And all that diff is change of a "mtime" field. |
| 09:36.38 | nkuttler | !es |
| 09:36.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:36.39 | peterS | trueno: well, libqt3-mt-dev is for compiling stuff. if you have binaries, they'll want libqt3-mt itself |
| 09:36.43 | derobert | peters: At least, I think, I only read a few lines of it. |
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| 09:37.03 | peterS | derobert: yeah really. none of that stuff looks user-modifiable, should be in /usr/share |
| 09:37.27 | pacman | campaign for /usr/etc to be included in Debian... it's sane, BSD has it, autoconf uses it by default if --prefix=/usr (and /usr/local/etc is just fine if --prefix=/usr/local) |
| 09:37.37 | peterS | trueno: libqt3-mt-dev will pull in a lot of other packages that are useful only for compiling programs, so if you don't need that, libqt3-mt is simpler |
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| 09:37.45 | derobert | pacman: what goes in /usr/etc ? |
| 09:38.00 | peterS | derobert: /usr/etc is to /usr/bin as /etc is to /bin. I'm not in favor of it. |
| 09:38.18 | pacman | everything that is a configuration file used by programs that are not in /bin or /sbin |
| 09:38.35 | derobert | Ok.... why would you want that? /etc should not be big. |
| 09:38.36 | pacman | well, invert that. everything that is a configuration file NOT used by anything in /bin or /sbin. |
| 09:38.45 | pacman | well, /etc/gconf sure is big! |
| 09:38.59 | derobert | pacman: That's because /etc/gconf is in the wrong place AFAICT |
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| 09:39.14 | trueno | peterS -- Yes, I just installed libqt-mt and libxinerama (don't know why libxinerama should be installed, but whatever) |
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| 09:39.38 | peterS | pacman: the point he's making is that /etc/gconf shouldn't be in any /etc. it's not something an admin will want to change, it's stuff that should be updated only by package updates themselves. thus, /usr/share |
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| 09:40.22 | pacman | ok then, /var or /usr, still, I agree it shouldn't be where it is. And I don't think /etc/X11 is such a fine idea either. |
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| 09:40.47 | opqdonut | what's the statr of ntfs writing support? |
| 09:40.48 | opqdonut | *status |
| 09:41.07 | meredydd | Up shit creek, paddle due fall 2007 |
| 09:41.09 | peterS | I rather liked the CDE approach to config files. not perfect, but there was a sensibility to them. it shipped full copies of configs in /usr/dt/* and if you wanted to modify them you copied a file from /usr/dt/ to /etc/dt/ and edited it there. both locations worked, /etc had precedence |
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| 09:41.25 | meredydd | opqdonut: Just Don't Do It(tm) with the stock drivers |
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| 09:41.35 | opqdonut | meredydd: k |
| 09:41.46 | meredydd | There's something called Captive NTFS, which is a wrapper for the Windows DLLs, which seems to work quite reliably |
| 09:41.49 | peterS | opqdonut: see http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ for up-to-the-minute status |
| 09:41.53 | Zap-W | what's the name of the script that find dangling links |
| 09:41.54 | meredydd | but it's slow as poo. |
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| 09:42.11 | groton | is it possible to add a module to a existant kernel, compiling it from the original kernel source package? i cant find any informations about it on inet :\ |
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| 09:42.17 | derobert | pacman: Well, at least there is a concievable reason to edit stuff in /etc/X11 |
| 09:42.35 | derobert | pacman: and it didn't give me 70,000 lines of diff, so I'm not pissed at it :-D |
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| 09:42.51 | pacman | Zap-W, find / -xtype l -print perhaps? |
| 09:42.56 | trueno | groton: Compile it, module-install it, insmod it then done :-) |
| 09:43.05 | pacman | derobert, diff has a --exclude flag. |
| 09:43.14 | groton | trueno, but the old modules will get overwritten? |
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| 09:43.45 | derobert | pacman: Yeah, I know that... but the problem is, if there *is* config in there, I miss it. |
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| 09:44.00 | derobert | pacman: diff has no --exclude-brainded option, unfortunately |
| 09:44.06 | derobert | ... braindead |
| 09:44.14 | peterS | braneded |
| 09:44.21 | trueno | groton, yes. However, you may copy only the one you want to add and then update modules.conf |
| 09:44.24 | trueno | by hand |
| 09:44.45 | groton | trueno, for example, i just run again "make menuconfig", and then i issued "make modules". it has not finished yet. what to do if i only want to install the alsa module? |
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| 09:44.56 | pacman | derobert, if the differences are mostly whitespace, try diff -b |
| 09:45.07 | trueno | Any good tutorial on mobility in ipv4-6 and about ipv4-6 themselves? |
| 09:45.10 | Shadowcat | the alsa module? |
| 09:45.15 | derobert | pacman: No, the differences are that it stores a "mtime" on everything |
| 09:45.17 | Shadowcat | there is no single alsa module |
| 09:45.24 | Shadowcat | alsa consists of a shitload of modules |
| 09:45.47 | pacman | oh that is horrible. |
| 09:45.50 | groton | Shadowcat, yes, indeed. i selected some option in the menuconfig to add support for alsa, which i forgot to do |
| 09:45.52 | derobert | pacman: And I'm guessing that is actually when the pacakge was built. |
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| 09:46.03 | peterS | most likely. |
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| 09:46.10 | Shadowcat | groton: so remake your kernel then |
| 09:46.11 | pacman | reinventing the filesystem inside of XML. |
| 09:46.14 | Shadowcat | yes that's from scratch |
| 09:46.15 | trueno | groton: make modules-install. It's no problem to overwrite old modules if you are using the same source, and you don't have to do anything by hand |
| 09:46.27 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 09:46.33 | Shadowcat | why are you even using make |
| 09:46.35 | EmleyMoor | Are IDE DVD writers generally compatible with Linux? (Debian is what I'm using) |
| 09:46.38 | derobert | Well, sent the message to -devel. Flamewar should commence soon. |
| 09:46.40 | Shadowcat | !kernel-package |
| 09:46.40 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (use zless or lynx), or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 09:46.50 | groton | trueno, i did something by hand, to support my connexant usb adsl modem |
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| 09:47.04 | peterS | EmleyMoor: sure, though DVD authoring tools aren't terribly advanced in linux |
| 09:47.23 | derobert | groton, trueno: There is also module-assistant.... |
| 09:47.28 | EmleyMoor | peterS: Good for backups, though? |
| 09:47.30 | peterS | EmleyMoor: ("authoring" in this context means creating DVD content other than data filesystems) |
| 09:47.34 | peterS | should be fine |
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| 09:47.42 | groton | well, i wont install nothing then, i cant get an unstable system after i try it. i give up |
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| 09:48.06 | trueno | groton: ok, then you will have to think what's easier for you: bak your modifications and then include them or do by hand the alsa part... |
| 09:48.08 | iostream | Hi.. Does anyone know a brand who produces long-lasting CD-R's? |
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| 09:48.31 | peterS | iostream: my understanding is that such things haven't really been demonstrated to exist |
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| 09:48.38 | trueno | groton: listen to derobert, maybe it's easier I haven't done it that way myself |
| 09:48.46 | trueno | groton: might be easier |
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| 09:49.26 | derobert | trueno, groton: I've used module-assistant once. Basically, if the module is packaged for debian, you just need the appropriate kernel-headers package. Then you invoke module-assistant. And it does the rest. |
| 09:49.30 | trueno | iostream: long-lasting? You mean, 5-years or maybe even ten? ;-) |
| 09:49.46 | derobert | Of course, if the module isn't packaged, not sure how well it does |
| 09:49.51 | iostream | peterS: Hmm, thought some gold-plated CD-R's existed.. |
| 09:50.06 | iostream | trueno: 10+ would be good :) |
| 09:50.07 | EmleyMoor | Any makes of DVD drive to avoid? |
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| 09:50.20 | derobert | iostream: I think there are gold cd-r's, for archival |
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| 09:50.35 | peterS | iostream: I'm sure you know better than I do. I wouldn't use a CD-R as my *only* backup of critical data, not if it had to last 10+ years. |
| 09:50.36 | iostream | derobert: Okay, any specific brand? |
| 09:51.03 | iostream | peterS: Well, a couple of harddisk too, but I would be nice with some other physical media.. |
| 09:51.10 | derobert | iostream: Not sure, I've never bought them. Just saw them in a NIST report on preserving CDs |
| 09:51.11 | peterS | not that other media are that much better |
| 09:51.26 | trueno | iostream: I would not take the cheapest ones. Then, I think the best thing you can do is to take care of the storage conditions, specially take care of temp&humidity |
| 09:51.37 | derobert | peterS: Properly stored CD-R should last longer than 10 years. |
| 09:51.59 | peterS | you'd think so. but you know what yeats said about CD-R backups: "things fall apart; the substrate does not hold" |
| 09:52.04 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... cheap Panasonic triple standard DL drive! |
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| 09:52.10 | iostream | I'm will be storing them in controlled conditions... |
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| 09:52.19 | derobert | peterS: That implies improper handling.... |
| 09:52.24 | derobert | peterS: http://www.itl.nist.gov/div895/carefordisc/CDandDVDCareandHandlingGuide.pdf |
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| 09:52.41 | peterS | derobert: oh a nist report on the subject? interesting, I'll read it some time when I'm less tired |
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| 09:53.11 | derobert | peterS: Yep. 40 pages on storing CDs and DVDs |
| 09:53.14 | sedeki | what do you run to get that program that adds mirrors to sources.list ? |
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| 09:53.22 | peterS | sedeki: apt-setup |
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| 09:54.31 | amorphix | is there a definitive way to check a ps2 port? |
| 09:54.35 | bit0 | hello, gnome2.10 (sid) seems broken, there's no /usr/lib/gconf2/gconfd-2 |
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| 09:54.50 | trueno | iostream: Nice read, I guess |
| 09:55.09 | peterS | bit0: ask derobert about that, it's his favorite subject at the moment |
| 09:55.11 | amorphix | is it possible for a ps2 port on a laptop which powers both mouse+kb to only work with kb? |
| 09:55.16 | derobert | amorphix: Probably with expensive enough test gear. |
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| 09:55.46 | bit0 | derobert, hello, i've problems with gconf2 |
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| 09:56.01 | amorphix | I suspect the ps2 port on my laptop is not working with mice anymore, so I'm about to sell it.. just wondered if theres any tests I could carry out |
| 09:56.03 | bit0 | peterS, thanks :) |
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| 09:56.03 | derobert | bit0: lol, I was just complaining about gconf's polluting /etc |
| 09:56.34 | derobert | amorphix: Well, other than plugging in a mouse, I can't think of a good one... |
| 09:56.46 | amorphix | ive tried 2 mice and a wacom pad |
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| 09:56.53 | hyperstream | pacman, omg |
| 09:57.04 | pacman | I'm tired. |
| 09:57.11 | hyperstream | pacman, i have a 10gig / right ... then i just made this 25gig partition. i ran outta room |
| 09:57.14 | amorphix | pity I dont have a docking station |
| 09:57.20 | hyperstream | trying to cp -a /home/* /mnt/newhome |
| 09:57.21 | iostream | What about solid-state, as long-lasting storage? |
| 09:57.23 | hyperstream | this is wierd |
| 09:57.35 | pacman | that's not making much sense to me. |
| 09:57.41 | hyperstream | . /home has 3 user accounts. gaming/hyperstream/mythtv |
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| 09:57.46 | hyperstream | let me show you my df |
| 09:58.03 | hyperstream | /dev/hda5 9234688 8271868 493724 95% / |
| 09:58.07 | derobert | iostream: I don't know how long, e.g., CompactFlash holds up for.... |
| 09:58.08 | trueno | Any good tutorial on mobility in ipv4-6 and on ipv4-6 themselves? |
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| 09:58.11 | hyperstream | /dev/hda7 25197220 25197220 0 100% /mnt/newhome |
| 09:58.19 | pacman | you have something else mounted under /home? you have major big sparse files? |
| 09:58.33 | hyperstream | omg yes |
| 09:58.38 | hyperstream | i have a 160gig hdd mounted |
| 09:58.40 | hyperstream | :X |
| 09:58.52 | pacman | under /home/you/something ... and it recursed to that |
| 09:58.53 | peterS | hyperstream: so, 'cd /home; cp -ax . /mnt/newhome' |
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| 09:58.59 | pacman | try using tar --one-file-system |
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| 09:59.04 | peterS | hyperstream: the -x will prevent cp from descending into other filesystems |
| 09:59.14 | pacman | oh, cp -x? I guess that's good enough |
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| 09:59.27 | peterS | right, cp -ax is a favorite idiom of mine |
| 09:59.29 | hyperstream | thanks alot pacman and peterS |
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| 09:59.40 | hyperstream | so should i rm -rf /mnt/newhome first ? |
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| 09:59.43 | peterS | 'cp -ax / /mnt/newroot' for example manages not to duplicate /proc (: |
| 09:59.45 | hyperstream | like delete it all |
| 09:59.52 | peterS | hyperstream: right |
| 10:00.00 | derobert | iostream: I think, in general, most digital media will find the hardware (and sometimes software) to read it unobtainable before the media degrades, if stored properly. |
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| 10:00.00 | peterS | well, rm -rf /mnt/newhome/* |
| 10:00.05 | pacman | peterS, if you tell people about the cp -x how will they ever learn to (cd ...;tar cf -)|(cd ...;tar xvf -) |
| 10:00.09 | hyperstream | cd /mnt/newhome; rm -rf * |
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| 10:00.20 | iostream | derobert: Could be true.. |
| 10:00.22 | derobert | iostream: And, of course, using something like par2 to add some redundancy to your archive isn't a bad idea. |
| 10:00.22 | cat | back to sid |
| 10:00.22 | hyperstream | okies thanks alot guys |
| 10:00.25 | peterS | pacman: I was so glad to leave the double tar method of copying filesystems behind |
| 10:00.32 | peterS | yes, I've done my share of it in the past |
| 10:00.38 | pacman | I could have had him using cpio! |
| 10:00.56 | peterS | now that's a great idea |
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| 10:01.23 | hyperstream | oo and after this complets i just mount -t ext3 /dev/hda7 /home |
| 10:01.27 | derobert | iostream: I mean, I still have floppy disks which are perfectly readable. Just been sitting in a case, not stored specially at all, since '94... Now, soon enough, floppy drives will be unobtainable (at least new ones). My last three computers don't even have floppys |
| 10:01.28 | hyperstream | which ever way the folders go |
| 10:01.31 | hyperstream | that correct? |
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| 10:01.34 | peterS | hyperstream: on the cp -ax note that I said '.' not '*'. if you say *, it'll descend into each filesystem represented as a subdir of home, which kind of defeats the purpose |
| 10:01.52 | hyperstream | ahh so cd /home first |
| 10:02.02 | peterS | hyperstream: if you have stuff mounted recursively under /home you will want to unmount those things first, of course |
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| 10:02.19 | hyperstream | then cp -ax . /mnt/newhome |
| 10:02.20 | iostream | derobert: True.. But i'm only going for 10 years max.. So I think CD's should be sufficient. |
| 10:02.21 | peterS | hyperstream: I mean before mounting /dev/hda7 or whatever |
| 10:02.21 | hyperstream | okies thanks alot |
| 10:02.26 | hyperstream | yeah |
| 10:02.29 | hyperstream | hmm wait |
| 10:02.36 | derobert | iostream: CDs stored properly should be sufficient for longer than that.... |
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| 10:02.56 | hyperstream | rm -rf /home to clean it all out |
| 10:02.57 | hyperstream | then |
| 10:03.03 | hyperstream | mount hda7 /home |
| 10:03.03 | peterS | hyperstream: wait! |
| 10:03.17 | peterS | hyperstream: if you rm -rf /home and you have other filesystems mounted inside there, you'll blow those away too |
| 10:03.23 | pacman | heh |
| 10:03.27 | hyperstream | oh shit |
| 10:03.30 | hyperstream | close one :P |
| 10:03.31 | pacman | rm -rfx? :) |
| 10:03.32 | derobert | iostream: NIST says ~30yrs in their report |
| 10:03.38 | explore2 | dnsnc |
| 10:03.38 | hyperstream | ok ill unmount |
| 10:03.41 | hyperstream | everything else |
| 10:03.41 | peterS | I hate to say "been there done that" because I'm not sure that exact thing has happened to me |
| 10:03.44 | hyperstream | that isnt require |
| 10:03.47 | peterS | but I know I've done similarly unfortunate things |
| 10:03.49 | iostream | derobert: Okay, thanks for finding it.. |
| 10:03.49 | hyperstream | then rm -rg |
| 10:04.06 | cat | dash it's alsome |
| 10:04.07 | hyperstream | rf * then remount hda7 to /home then mount the other filesystems into home again . correct? |
| 10:04.13 | derobert | iostream: of course, if you store it in a hot, humid environment, it'll last a lot less |
| 10:04.18 | hyperstream | fstab wont try to remount once i umount right ? |
| 10:04.24 | iostream | derobert: Directly exposed to sunlight :P |
| 10:04.29 | derobert | iostream: or if you use crappier media, etc. |
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| 10:04.45 | trueno | iostream: maybe you'll have to ensure that you'll have a CD capable drive in ten years' time... |
| 10:04.47 | derobert | iostream: http://www.itl.nist.gov/div895/carefordisc/CDandDVDCareandHandlingGuide.pdf if you care to read the whole thing (~40pgs) |
| 10:04.50 | pacman | do a bind mount... mount --bind /home /mnt/oldhome ; mount --bind /mnt/newhome /home ; cd /mnt/oldhome ... and then rm at your leisure... but I may be hallucinating. time to sleep |
| 10:04.54 | peterS | hyperstream: stop asking questions. start thinking. think through where your data is, where it will be, where different copies will be, which ones you can rename or remove |
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| 10:05.06 | iostream | derobert: Yep, I'm going for some high quality CD-R's, burned a low speed and kept in black-box in my closet. |
| 10:05.16 | trueno | iostream: derobert: seems to be a good doc, I am already reading it |
| 10:05.17 | iostream | trueno: I could do that ;) |
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| 10:05.42 | peterS | hyperstream: I think trying to give you exact command line recipes for what to do in what order is counterproductive here. it encourages you to take our word for everything and not think through any consequences |
| 10:05.42 | hyperstream | lol pacman hope that works :D |
| 10:05.46 | iostream | derobert: Yep, I have it opened, but just skimmed it.. |
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| 10:06.01 | hyperstream | peterS, yes that is true |
| 10:06.39 | trueno | iostream: I already moved my CDs to DVDs... |
| 10:06.39 | hyperstream | but i really dont wanna mess this one up :P |
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| 10:06.40 | peterS | hyperstream: rather than 'rm -rf /home', anyway, I would encourage 'mv /home /home.old; mkdir /home' |
| 10:06.40 | xophEr | how do I create a swap file thats 1GB large? |
| 10:06.40 | xophEr | with dd.. |
| 10:06.40 | hyperstream | im gonna stick with what you said earlyer. mv it then mkdir |
| 10:06.41 | hyperstream | yeah thats it :) |
| 10:06.45 | iostream | trueno: Yep, I think I should do that too, but currently I don't have a DVD burner |
| 10:06.47 | peterS | xophEr: dd bs=1m count=1024 < /dev/zero > /swap |
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| 10:06.53 | derobert | xophEr: ummm.... read the dd manpage? |
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| 10:07.05 | hyperstream | alrighty |
| 10:07.09 | hyperstream | wish me luck . :) byes |
| 10:07.14 | xophEr | peterS, thanks |
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| 10:07.30 | peterS | xophEr: properly 1M not 1m but I don't think dd cares |
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| 10:07.46 | wolf__ | what is the name of openssl-dev package in debian ? |
| 10:07.58 | peterS | wolf__: libssl0.9.7-dev, or libssl-dev, I believe |
| 10:07.59 | cat | is dd a debian developer? |
| 10:08.04 | peterS | cat: sometimes |
| 10:08.04 | amorphix | peterS: i think my ps2 port might be screwed, it cannot power a mouse, but kb works fine. what do you think? |
| 10:08.07 | cat | oh ok |
| 10:08.13 | liable | openssl-dev??? |
| 10:08.30 | peterS | liable: no |
| 10:08.34 | liable | amorphix: still going! |
| 10:08.38 | derobert | liable: openssl-dev is what redhat calls it, I suspect |
| 10:08.40 | liable | peterS: damn.. |
| 10:08.57 | peterS | amorphix: possible. can you correlate it not working with a kernel upgrade. could be something broken in the kernel input layer, if so |
| 10:09.31 | peterS | wolf__: you'll discover that only one of the packages I mentioned exists. so it's that one. |
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| 10:10.11 | Sunainaa | debian ISO is on 14 CDs? :O |
| 10:10.22 | wolf__ | peterS: actualy lots are exists :D but libssl-dev is the fine.... |
| 10:10.27 | derobert | Sunainaa: You don't need all of those. |
| 10:10.28 | peterS | Sunainaa: about 1000 packages per CD, then, I guess |
| 10:10.32 | valdyn | Sunainaa: if you dont grab the source CDs |
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| 10:10.48 | Sunainaa | which CDs i will need then? |
| 10:10.52 | liable | Sunainaa: yes, if you think you need them all, then download them, or just use 1 or netinstall... |
| 10:11.07 | peterS | Sunainaa: the netinst CD is all most people use. then you just download packages on demand |
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| 10:11.23 | derobert | Sunainaa: Depends on what you want to install. Unless you have no internet connection, you really shouldn't need more than disc 1, or even the smaller netinst cd |
| 10:11.26 | peterS | Sunainaa: but if you want to download more stuff at the beginning, you can get CD number 1. that'll have most of what you want. |
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| 10:11.47 | Sunainaa | I have internet |
| 10:11.56 | liable | !d-i Sunainaa |
| 10:12.01 | dpkg | Sunainaa, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:12.11 | Sunainaa | can u tell me whats r01a? |
| 10:12.21 | Sunainaa | its appended after version 3.1 |
| 10:12.27 | peterS | Sunainaa: you mean 3.1r0a? |
| 10:12.48 | valdyn | Sunainaa: original 3.1 plus a small bugfix |
| 10:13.02 | peterS | Sunainaa: r0 is the first release of sarge. r0a is a very minor update to r0 to fix a small bug nobody noticed until just after r0 was released. |
| 10:13.15 | Sunainaa | ahan OK |
| 10:13.36 | Sunainaa | 14s CDs are too Muhc :( |
| 10:13.45 | peterS | yes |
| 10:13.52 | peterS | almost nobody needs to download more than 1 or 2 CDs |
| 10:14.03 | peterS | beyond that it is just not worth the trouble |
| 10:14.15 | peterS | the few packages you might use from those other CDs, it is much easier to just download on demand |
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| 10:14.48 | Sunainaa | but how can i know which cds i need?? I need things like gnome, httpd, mysql only |
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| 10:14.52 | liable | Sunainaa: please visit debian.org and read some docs, its actually all explained.. |
| 10:14.57 | derobert | Sunainaa: The only reason you'd want to grab all 14 CDs is if you're installing on a machine with no internet access. |
| 10:15.09 | liable | !tell Sunainaa about ig |
| 10:15.13 | derobert | Sunainaa: Otherwise, you just grab the packages as you need them from the internet. |
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| 10:15.27 | Sunainaa | i have extremely fast internet |
| 10:15.35 | derobert | Sunainaa: Then just grab the netinst cd. |
| 10:15.38 | Sunainaa | 150 mbps STM-1 |
| 10:15.38 | peterS | Sunainaa: do. not. bother. downloading. those. CDs. You. can. install. any. software. you. need. via. the. Internet. later. |
| 10:15.41 | sedeki | has anyone tried wc3 under wine? |
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| 10:15.57 | sedeki | wc3 = warcraft 3. |
| 10:16.16 | Sunainaa | ahan :O |
| 10:16.25 | Sunainaa | thats only 100 mb .. netinst |
| 10:16.29 | peterS | Pfated: who are you and what have you done with P we hated? |
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| 10:16.41 | derobert | Sunainaa: Yep. Its small. |
| 10:17.05 | derobert | Sunainaa: Once you've installed your system with that, you'll be given the option of downloading your packages from the internet. |
| 10:17.16 | Sunainaa | I See |
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| 10:18.05 | Sunainaa | does debain has any issues?? bcos i m 've observed problem with two OSes (mandrake, centos) that on reboot.. it stucks on either starting cups deamno, or starting system bus |
| 10:18.16 | Sunainaa | and then only way i left to access is via sshd |
| 10:18.29 | peterS | Sunainaa: try it and see |
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| 10:18.38 | peterS | Sunainaa: most of us don't have those problems |
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| 10:18.48 | Sunainaa | and i m really pissed off at this problem.. |
| 10:18.51 | derobert | Sunainaa: Every distro has some problems... |
| 10:18.55 | swappa | so guys |
| 10:19.15 | derobert | Sunainaa: That said, I've never seen that. And, unless you need printing support you could just ... not install cups. |
| 10:19.31 | liable | Sunainaa: and you actually tried to diagnose the problem? or you are just blindly trying another distro in the hope it will work? |
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| 10:20.32 | Sunainaa | i asked in many forums and channels |
| 10:20.37 | Sunainaa | but no body came up with answer |
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| 10:21.42 | swappa | ouch |
| 10:22.11 | babyrobbe | i got a stable system but stable amarok keeps crashing ... how can i install just amarok unstable? |
| 10:22.34 | valdyn | babyrobbe: doubt you can |
| 10:22.38 | babyrobbe | :'( |
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| 10:22.57 | valdyn | babyrobbe: sicne its a kde application it probably depends on whole kde 3.4 |
| 10:23.08 | valdyn | babyrobbe: but feel free to try /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 10:23.13 | derobert | babyrobbe: apt-src might be able to help |
| 10:23.18 | peterS | babyrobbe: a KDE program? ouch. valdyn is right, it'll pull in all of KDE and that'll pull in half the rest of the world, from unstable |
| 10:23.19 | babyrobbe | :D |
| 10:23.24 | liable | babyrobbe: did you check the bug tracking sytem, or file a bug? |
| 10:23.27 | derobert | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.36 | derobert | dang it |
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| 10:24.04 | babyrobbe | hmmm ... kde 3.4 is unstable i guess ... i got 3.3.2 afaik |
| 10:24.08 | Nurbs_ | unstable is even worse with its g++ 4 ABI |
| 10:24.17 | valdyn | babyrobbe: more likely however there's is a relatively easy workaround for your crashing issue(s) |
| 10:24.51 | babyrobbe | Nurbs_: :D |
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| 10:24.58 | hyperstream | well that was much better |
| 10:25.11 | hyperstream | /dev/hda7 /home ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 10:25.19 | hyperstream | does that look like what i would use for fstab? |
| 10:25.39 | valdyn | hyperstream: yea |
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| 10:26.22 | peterS | hyperstream: I don't know if mount sorts /etc/fstab topologically. if not, you'll need to make sure the /home entry comes *before* the /home/foo entries you already have in there |
| 10:26.31 | Arezhazeit | hello, I currently have debian installed but want to re-install windows on my windows partition, ive done this before but had problems with windows overwriting the mbr, is there a way to get grub back iof wins does this again? |
| 10:26.35 | liable | home doesnt really need the errors bit. |
| 10:26.42 | hyperstream | omg okies |
| 10:26.54 | hyperstream | omg * umm i have one issue |
| 10:26.54 | sema4 | anyone know how to stop apt-get from naging about GPG issues? |
| 10:26.58 | valdyn | Arezhazeit: make a boot disk |
| 10:27.07 | hyperstream | you know the 4 workspaces in the top right hand corner |
| 10:27.13 | Arezhazeit | will that fix grub to go back to normal though? |
| 10:27.18 | valdyn | Arezhazeit: floppy or cdrom, both is possible |
| 10:27.26 | hyperstream | they seem to be taking up like 90% of the task bar leaving enuff room for like the icons of the apps im running |
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| 10:27.37 | valdyn | Arezhazeit: no, 'fixing' grub is 'grub-install /dev/hda' |
| 10:27.38 | hyperstream | let me take a screenie and up it |
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| 10:27.41 | peterS | Arezhazeit: no, the idea is to have a boot floppy which you can then boot debian from, so that you can then reinstall the grub mbr |
| 10:27.42 | rpm-e | is it safe to run 'rm -rf /' ? |
| 10:27.43 | amorphix | PeterS: sorry, i didnt see your reply and had to reboot |
| 10:27.49 | liable | sema4: dont use sid? |
| 10:27.50 | derobert | sema4: gpg issues? |
| 10:28.00 | peterS | rpm-e: it's kind of inconvenient for the logged-in user |
| 10:28.01 | Arezhazeit | but dont I have limited commands if I boot from floppy? |
| 10:28.08 | peterS | rpm-e: because you'll probably lose your home directory |
| 10:28.19 | peterS | rpm-e: but it won't particularly hurt the system otherwise, unless you run it as root |
| 10:28.29 | valdyn | Arezhazeit: if you boot your debian system from a floppy, then you wont know what you booted from after that is done |
| 10:28.35 | rpm-e | ok |
| 10:28.47 | rpm-e | is there anything I can put in place to stop damage from accidental rm -rf / |
| 10:28.49 | rpm-e | as root |
| 10:28.50 | Arezhazeit | how do I boot? just put the disk in and go from there yeah? |
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| 10:29.02 | peterS | rpm-e: your usual backups, maybe? |
| 10:29.03 | rpm-e | because I often have to use rm -rf ./ |
| 10:29.05 | resiak | rpm-e: alias rm='rm --preserve-root' |
| 10:29.11 | sema4 | W: GPG error: http://www.stanchina.net ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 3DCCCCACE46F104F |
| 10:29.12 | sema4 | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 10:29.12 | valdyn | Arezhazeit: well, your bios wants to be set to boot from floppy too |
| 10:29.17 | sw | users 710! |
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| 10:29.24 | sema4 | derobert: that was ment for you |
| 10:29.26 | rpm-e | resiak: what does that do? |
| 10:29.29 | derobert | rpm-e: Ummm, you could create an alias so you don't have to type rm -Rf ./ |
| 10:29.30 | valdyn | Arezhazeit: but if you're not familiar with that you really ought to try things out before installing windows |
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| 10:29.40 | liable | !tell sema4 about apt secure |
| 10:29.42 | resiak | rpm-e: man rm |
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| 10:29.49 | liable | sema4: and dont use sid.... |
| 10:29.50 | derobert | sema4: To stop that one... you could install the public key. |
| 10:29.51 | sema4 | liable: thanks |
| 10:29.56 | rpm-e | resiak: what does man rm do? |
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| 10:30.03 | resiak | rpm-e: Shows you the rm manual |
| 10:30.12 | Arezhazeit | okay ill give it a try, should I however create the boot disk from in linux or can I use my debian CD that I use to install? |
| 10:30.13 | resiak | rpm-e: Which you should be reading. |
| 10:30.14 | sema4 | liable: oh fuck |
| 10:30.20 | rpm-e | how do I read it? |
| 10:30.22 | liable | sema4: ?? |
| 10:30.25 | amorphix | hi |
| 10:30.27 | resiak | rpm-e: You type man rm |
| 10:30.28 | peterS | rpm-e: with your reading glasses |
| 10:30.31 | valdyn | Arezhazeit: both is possible |
| 10:30.31 | derobert | Arezhazeit: you can use the debian CD as a boot disk. |
| 10:30.33 | rpm-e | man rm |
| 10:30.35 | liable | !tell sema4 about sid faq |
| 10:30.37 | amorphix | peterS: can you paste me |
| 10:30.40 | Arezhazeit | okay ill give it a try |
| 10:30.43 | peterS | amorphix: what? |
| 10:30.46 | amorphix | sorry im havin big probs here |
| 10:30.50 | sema4 | liable: I totally forgot ... i was suppose to only use unstable for 1 package ... and I forgot to put it back to etch |
| 10:30.57 | resiak | rpm-e: In a terminal... |
| 10:31.02 | rpm-e | I was just kidding |
| 10:31.03 | rpm-e | take it easy |
| 10:31.08 | amorphix | I think my laptop is on its way out |
| 10:31.09 | hyperstream | peterS, http://www.lives-here.org/Screenshot.png <--- look at the taskbar up the top. the 4 grey things should be like tiny squares at the far end top right corner |
| 10:31.09 | rpm-e | it's all good |
| 10:31.23 | liable | sema4: doh! |
| 10:31.35 | peterS | amorphix: ahh. <peterS> amorphix: possible. can you correlate it not working with a kernel upgrade. could be something broken in the kernel input layer, if so |
| 10:31.40 | amorphix | thanks |
| 10:31.49 | sema4 | liable: very ... ive prob upgraded packages that I shouldn't have |
| 10:31.51 | amorphix | oh thats interesting |
| 10:32.09 | amorphix | I may try a reinstallation of Debian I think |
| 10:32.10 | valdyn | hyperstream: so move the applet |
| 10:32.11 | liable | sema4: and you are fucked, unless you want to live with sid.. |
| 10:32.17 | amorphix | else I will have to sell and replace this laptop |
| 10:32.24 | amorphix | on Monday prolly |
| 10:32.43 | amorphix | I can hear the 'pulse' |
| 10:32.48 | hyperstream | valdyn, what do you mean? drag and drop ? that doesnt resize the huge workspace areas tho |
| 10:32.52 | peterS | hyperstream: yay! one more for my cameo collection. (I collect screenshots where I appear in an irc window.) |
| 10:33.02 | valdyn | hyperstream: rightclick on it, select 'move' move it |
| 10:33.04 | hyperstream | peterS, glad i could help :) |
| 10:33.05 | sema4 | liable: I should have realized ... I thought all my xmases had come when all those kde pkgs were updated |
| 10:33.09 | peterS | hyperstream: but I can't help you with your problem |
| 10:33.10 | sema4 | liable: and xorg |
| 10:33.19 | hyperstream | valdyn, i dont need to move it. see how long the workspaces are? |
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| 10:33.26 | hyperstream | the width of them that is |
| 10:33.28 | derobert | sema4: xorg is in testing now |
| 10:33.44 | derobert | sema4: If you wait long enough, you *might* be able to switch back to testing. |
| 10:33.52 | valdyn | hyperstream: yes, i see how big they are, why dont you try moving it? |
| 10:33.53 | hyperstream | they should be squares for example they look like: 180 width by 40 height, they should be 40 x 40 |
| 10:33.58 | hyperstream | hmm |
| 10:34.04 | liable | !downgrade |
| 10:34.04 | dpkg | downgrade is, like, not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 10:34.13 | hyperstream | they move fine. but stay the same size |
| 10:34.23 | hyperstream | there is no resize mouse icon that appares around any of it |
| 10:34.29 | derobert | liable: Hence, wait long enough. As in, wait long enough for the software he's running to make it to testing. |
| 10:34.34 | sema4 | derobert: yeah ... ill just put sources.lst back to testing ... eventually theyll get back in sync |
| 10:34.54 | valdyn | hyperstream: they get smaller the less room you give them, move them to the right and they will get small |
| 10:35.06 | derobert | sema4: and some of the stuff might work if you downgrade it. Though, with the C++ transition, a lot will break horribly. |
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| 10:35.51 | hyperstream | they dont move. |
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| 10:36.11 | hyperstream | the applications move to the end workspace. then im left with blank dark grey workspaces on 1 2 and 3 |
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| 10:36.15 | derobert | hyperstream: does right click, select unlock help? |
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| 10:36.53 | hyperstream | derobert, no, there is lock to panel which unticked didnt work either |
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| 10:37.18 | derobert | hyperstream: maybe your best bet is to kill the panel and create a new one.... |
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| 10:37.26 | valdyn | hyperstream: did you select to display names in properties? |
| 10:37.55 | valdyn | hyperstream: "Display names in switcher" or somesuch |
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| 10:38.17 | hyperstream | no but that works but it takes up too much space as well. before changing the locating of /home to /dev/hda7 it was fine, small squares no names |
| 10:38.49 | hyperstream | im wondering if there was something in /home that controls the config of this? |
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| 10:39.27 | spdf | Hey fellas. I seem to have a problem with a newly installed system. Gnome seems to be hanging on start, is there a way to trouble shoot this, and see how far it's getting, if at all? |
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| 10:39.52 | hyperstream | cd /home; cp -ax . /mnt/newhome; umount /dev/hda7; (<--- mnt/newhome) mount -t ext3 /home /dev/hda7 |
| 10:39.56 | spdf | Nothing is showing up in the splash screen. It once got as far as loading the window manager, but not anymore.. |
| 10:39.58 | hyperstream | that is all ive done |
| 10:40.12 | hyperstream | oo and before the umount was mv /home /home.old |
| 10:40.58 | spdf | This is an Etch install.. |
| 10:41.30 | hyperstream | i will try a reboot |
| 10:41.31 | hyperstream | bbs guys |
| 10:41.32 | hyperstream | thanks alot |
| 10:41.49 | derobert | spdf: Switch back to text mode, run 'ps' to see whats running |
| 10:41.55 | derobert | or ps x |
| 10:42.04 | groton | people, the 2.6.10 package is no mor epresent in any debian, nor stable, not unstable, nor testing). where could i get that package now? |
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| 10:42.32 | derobert | groton: snapshot.debian.net, possibly |
| 10:42.46 | groton | derobert, im going crazy :) |
| 10:43.09 | sw | -I've got unlimited bandwith at my house, how would i share it with my friend on the other side of town?? |
| 10:43.40 | spdf | derobert: gconf2, bonobo, metacity, gnome-settings-deamon |
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| 10:43.47 | vorsprung | sw, wireless? |
| 10:43.49 | resiak | sw: A very, very large length of cat5? |
| 10:43.52 | sema4 | sw: give the other dude access for him to remotely leach stuff ...then he can go over with a HD |
| 10:43.54 | noble- | lol |
| 10:43.56 | noble- | no shit |
| 10:43.59 | ivorw | pair of tin cans and a long length of string :) |
| 10:44.56 | shingouz_ | a station wagon loaded with cd's? |
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| 10:46.29 | sw | could he dial my box with his adsl modem? (like virtual-wan-type thing?) |
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| 10:46.57 | vorsprung | sw, you'd need a modem at your end too |
| 10:47.20 | EdgEy | sw, yes |
| 10:47.31 | EdgEy | and then it'd be limited to the speed of his adsl modem :p |
| 10:47.34 | vorsprung | sw, a lot of dsl devices have facilities for point to point connections like that |
| 10:47.49 | shingouz_ | sw: adsl is not strictly speaking a modem... a virtual lan would be useable but actually using it as a dial-up is not really doable |
| 10:48.00 | sw | leach" as in bittorent type-connection ? (yup, I got the router there) |
| 10:48.04 | vorsprung | sw, if you have line of sight you can use wireless |
| 10:48.07 | shingouz_ | vorsprung: you sure? as in a dial-up thinigie? i doubt it |
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| 10:48.48 | vorsprung | shingouz_, :) I mean a dsl device not a v90 modem :) |
| 10:48.50 | ivorw | sw, V32 bis modem would probably work over the phone line. Tie up your voice phone tho' |
| 10:49.58 | shingouz_ | vorsprung: that is what i am talking about too. they do not have a phone number so using it as a dial-up is not really doable. using the *dsl for vpn connections is very feasible though but that is a completely different thing |
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| 10:50.03 | amorphix | hi |
| 10:50.13 | vorsprung | mornin' |
| 10:50.37 | sw | i thought ,i'd connect to the net,.. then make an i.s.p of sorts,.. then kind of 'invite' him to join me (maybe with a username/ph#/password type-account) yaknow? |
| 10:50.37 | amorphix | i need some help guys..whats the best way to test a mouse from shell? I cant get my mouse to work |
| 10:50.49 | shingouz_ | amorphix: install gpm |
| 10:51.15 | amorphix | i have gpm installed and ive issued the command gpm -t ps2 but nothing happens |
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| 10:51.21 | goron | Is it possible to get an overview of all the slides in a side pane in Openoffice impress? |
| 10:51.35 | amorphix | am i missing something? |
| 10:51.39 | shingouz_ | amorphix: dpkg-resconfigure gpm |
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| 10:51.45 | amorphix | ok |
| 10:51.46 | shingouz_ | reconfigure even |
| 10:52.31 | shingouz_ | !tell MrSlade about irc as root |
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| 10:53.48 | MrSlade | okey then!! |
| 10:53.55 | shingouz_ | MrSlade: now it is better :) |
| 10:53.57 | MrSlade | Now please help me!! |
| 10:54.00 | MrSlade | tnx.. |
| 10:54.12 | shingouz_ | !ask |
| 10:54.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:54.15 | MrSlade | i'm a newbie!! |
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| 10:57.25 | sw | shingouz_ "vpn connections"? |
| 10:57.39 | shingouz_ | !vpn |
| 10:57.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/ |
| 10:57.58 | spdf | derobert |
| 10:57.58 | honschu | My motherboard has SerialATA 2, but I'm not sure if I should buy a SATA2-Harddrive |
| 10:58.11 | derobert | spdf: ? |
| 10:58.21 | spdf | derobert, KDE fails on "initializing system devices" |
| 10:58.33 | derobert | ok.... |
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| 10:58.56 | sw | rad! |
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| 10:59.07 | spdf | derobert, I just heard the kde startup sound, but the screen is blank.. |
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| 10:59.12 | derobert | spdf: Check for a ~/.xsession-errors file |
| 10:59.28 | derobert | spdf: It might say something... about all I can suggest, don't use KDE personally |
| 11:00.07 | Erpo | Hi all. Every time I log in, I get the error message "No volume control elements and/or devices found." -- My user is in the audio group in /etc/group and all of the files in /dev/snd are readable and writable by the audio group. What gives? |
| 11:00.12 | Zap-W | i dont understand this , i created a new group named "trusted" added clamav user to the group then set permissions rwxrwx--- zapw,trusted to directory Downloads , still i get access denied when trying to read a file |
| 11:00.12 | shingouz_ | sw: very but the speed of the vpn is obviously dependent on the connectins on both ends. if you are just looking to share your connection with your friend across town you will really have to look at physical wiring or a long range wireless. that is a serious hack fyi |
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| 11:00.53 | spdf | derobert, a lot of 'undefined mimetype/servicetype' in there.. |
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| 11:01.22 | Shadur | Damn, what was the name of the tool to "securely" erase a partition again? wipe only works on files. |
| 11:01.29 | EdgEy | where does apache store logs by default? -.- |
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| 11:01.39 | derobert | Shadur: wipe does partitions, too |
| 11:01.44 | asuffield | Shadur: a blowtorch? |
| 11:01.52 | liable | Shadur: magnet? :P |
| 11:02.00 | Shadur | EdgEy: On debian, in /var/log/apache unless you changed the settings in /etc/apache/apache.conf |
| 11:02.07 | asuffield | liable: unreliable. only heat really works |
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| 11:02.10 | sw | thanx y'all"" |
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| 11:02.22 | liable | asuffield: semtex! |
| 11:02.28 | EdgEy | thankyou. was looking in the /etc/apache2 folder (it's 2 forgot to mention that but yeah it's the same folder) |
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| 11:02.50 | asuffield | impact damage is recoverable. heating it, either to the curie point, or just melting the platters completely, is not |
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| 11:03.24 | amorphix | grrrrr |
| 11:04.12 | spdf | derobert, this laptop just doesn't seem to like linux at all.. |
| 11:04.16 | liable | asuffield: you burn it, i will give a bit of plastique, lets see what s works, and who has more fun.. :) |
| 11:04.53 | shingouz_ | spdf: you have alsera |
| 11:04.57 | derobert | I donno. Thermiting a HDD could be fun. |
| 11:05.14 | shingouz_ | spdf: you have already checked /msg dpkg laptop, haven't you? |
| 11:05.20 | derobert | ... asumming done from appropriate distance, of course |
| 11:05.24 | amorphix | shingouz: i reconfigured gpm with /dev/psaux for my ps2 and started it with ps2 as type but it doesnt work still. i also tried to reconfigure my X for both /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice and neither works for my ps2 mouse.. any ideas? |
| 11:05.41 | amorphix | i seriously think my ps2 port is not working |
| 11:05.47 | shingouz_ | amorphix: what kind of a mouse do you have then? |
| 11:06.10 | spdf | shingouz, Yah, I'm working through that stuff now. |
| 11:06.10 | amorphix | shingouz: its a Microsoft 6-pin round connector ps2 (two button mouse) |
| 11:06.18 | spdf | shingouz, Alsera? |
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| 11:06.26 | shingouz_ | amorphix: you could try to boot the thing into kn*ppix or something and see if it works... |
| 11:06.26 | resiak | amorphix: modprobe mousedev ? |
| 11:06.29 | shingouz_ | spdf: typo |
| 11:06.40 | amorphix | ok |
| 11:07.03 | amorphix | i tried to boot knoppix from the only cd i have but it wasnt successful unfortunately and didnt get far |
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| 11:07.13 | sw | hey sema4 -what apps would i use use for the vpn/SWan? (Oh and ,cool!, it's looking 'kinda' possible) |
| 11:07.26 | shingouz_ | amorphix: 2.6 kernel? /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 11:07.37 | amorphix | yes |
| 11:07.46 | shay | does alioth has an IRC channel? |
| 11:07.52 | amorphix | resiak: modprobe mousedev returns nothing |
| 11:07.53 | sema4 | sw: how would I know ... but at uni they use cisco vpn (thereis a linux client) |
| 11:08.03 | resiak | amorphix: But now try restarting gpm ? |
| 11:08.08 | amorphix | ok |
| 11:08.11 | sw | nice thanx |
| 11:08.14 | resiak | amorphix: (with /dev/psaux chosen) |
| 11:08.15 | shingouz_ | sw: what kind of a connection does your friend have? |
| 11:08.24 | amorphix | right i will try it |
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| 11:09.05 | liable | amorphix: you have tripple checked your x conf? the keyboard worked in the port dinnit? |
| 11:09.17 | sw | a d-link single-modem, and I've a d-link router |
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| 11:09.43 | anibal | shay, #alioth at irc.oftc.net |
| 11:09.47 | amorphix | liable: yeah the keyboard works fine, but no pointing device will, i tried 3 now.. I plugged in my wacom pad earlier and it didnt even light up |
| 11:09.50 | shingouz_ | sw: what is his speed is the question. cable, *dsl? |
| 11:10.06 | shay | anibal, thanks |
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| 11:10.21 | liable | amorphix: stock kernel? tried another? |
| 11:10.28 | amorphix | my X conf looks ok, i have kept it unchanged since it worked up until 2 days ago with ps2 mouse |
| 11:10.43 | liable | amorphix: so what changed? |
| 11:10.54 | amorphix | i have the latest stock kernel and 3 other working stock kernels on history, tried em all |
| 11:11.08 | shingouz_ | amorphix: cat /dev/psaux and move the rat a bit |
| 11:11.17 | sw | (the whole idea was that the i.s.p needn't know about the 2 households using the same yaknow) um 10/100? dial-up broadband... |
| 11:11.21 | amorphix | i dunno, the mouse began to get erractic over the last week or so and would move randomly very quickly and mess up my desktop |
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| 11:11.37 | amorphix | so i began unplugging and plugging back to fix it, maybe that caused it |
| 11:11.47 | shingouz_ | sw: you still have not answered the question about your friends speed.... |
| 11:11.48 | cahoot | amorphix: mouse sick/dying? |
| 11:11.56 | liable | amorphix: new mobo.. |
| 11:11.58 | amorphix | no, ive tried 3 pointing devices |
| 11:12.17 | sw | sorry, it's 256k |
| 11:12.20 | amorphix | liable: do you think it is the mb? |
| 11:12.34 | liable | amorphix: well, what else? |
| 11:12.44 | amorphix | also, ive noticed that at times the mb seems to make noises, you can hear the pulse and also functions being carried out |
| 11:12.46 | sw | mine too |
| 11:12.54 | amorphix | like you can hear the puter thinking heh |
| 11:12.59 | shingouz_ | sw: in that case the absolutel maximium your friend will get is the 256 and if he has some download caps in effect, they will still apply even with a vpn |
| 11:13.14 | amorphix | maybe its on its way out? |
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| 11:13.46 | amorphix | i will try to install Windows XP I think to rule out a hardware problem |
| 11:13.49 | sw | ok, that's cool 'cos they're on 56k dial-up right now |
| 11:14.05 | EmleyMoor | Why is it, when compiling a patched version of obexftp, I get an error when loading the shared library libobexftp.0, when the self-same compile/install method worked on another machine also running sarge? |
| 11:14.08 | amorphix | and if its not right I will sell this on Monday and buy a new laptop |
| 11:14.10 | shingouz_ | sw: so they will have the same 56k dial-up then even with the vpn |
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| 11:14.33 | atom-z | amorphix: isnt that abit extreme? |
| 11:14.45 | amorphix | it seems extreme yes, but im out of options |
| 11:14.53 | amorphix | unless i could get a ps2 to serial adaptor maybe |
| 11:14.56 | atom-z | what is your hardware problem btw? |
| 11:14.59 | sw | I'm not looking forward to the slowdown, but 'unlimited' yaknow (no shingouz, i'd like to give them a little more -<hmm Maybe>) |
| 11:15.14 | amorphix | atom-z: ps2 port not working with pointing devices |
| 11:15.16 | liable | atom-z: /lastlog.. |
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| 11:15.52 | shingouz_ | sw: how should i put this so that you understand. if they have a d56k dial-up there it does not matter *what* kind of a vpn you set up. their speed will still be 56k |
| 11:15.53 | amorphix | this is a HP Omnibook 6000 |
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| 11:16.07 | atom-z | amorphix: thats quite unusual. sounds like a hardware problem |
| 11:16.12 | amorphix | its hard a fair bit of use and i got it 2nd hand, so i dunno..maybe its had its day |
| 11:16.20 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 11:16.25 | amorphix | *had |
| 11:16.29 | atom-z | its always possible |
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| 11:16.37 | atom-z | although it is a wierd error |
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| 11:16.51 | shingouz_ | sw: the only way you can share your connection is to either hardwire it physically to your computer or use a wireless between the two locations |
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| 11:17.17 | amorphix | one thing also, theres a possible issue with regards to NFS and streaming mp3/vids over my 10/100 ethernet to this laptop, it just cannot handle it and NFS connection goes down and a network collision error comes |
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| 11:17.22 | sw | yup gotit, ouch shingouz! u sure??? |
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| 11:17.44 | atom-z | amorphix: what version of debian are you running? |
| 11:18.03 | amorphix | i dont know if thats the soft, the nic, or just inadequate hardware of laptop |
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| 11:18.12 | amorphix | but my workstations can do it fine and they're similiar spec |
| 11:18.13 | shingouz_ | sw: yes i am. and you will have the same thoughts as soon as you start to think about it. the vpn just encrypts the transmissions over the internet, it has nothing to do with the speed, it is all about security |
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| 11:18.39 | amorphix | atom-z: I'm running sid with 2.8.11 stock kernel |
| 11:18.42 | valdyn | amorphix: to exclude everything but kernel and hardware you can always 'cat /dev/psaux' and move your mouse around |
| 11:18.50 | sw | i'm bummed, think I'll sleep on it, thanx for the brain-storm, "peace" |
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| 11:19.02 | shingouz_ | 2.8.11? what planet you on amorphix :p |
| 11:19.03 | amorphix | valdyn: i did try that earlier but nothing :-/ |
| 11:19.11 | atom-z | amorphix: have you tried sarge? |
| 11:19.19 | atom-z | amorphix: sid is unstable |
| 11:19.23 | shingouz_ | sw: hardwire or a high-speed wireless but that is a serious hack |
| 11:19.27 | amorphix | i have to use unstable |
| 11:19.32 | atom-z | why? |
| 11:19.34 | amorphix | for development purposes |
| 11:19.36 | valdyn | amorphix: so either the driver isnt loaded or your port is broken or your mouse is broken, have you yet tried a different mouse? |
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| 11:19.46 | sw | i'm newb 2! ouch"" |
| 11:19.58 | amorphix | i tried 3 pointing devices now |
| 11:20.04 | valdyn | s/loaded/loaded but having problems/ |
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| 11:20.08 | sw | see ya all soon-ish |
| 11:20.11 | shingouz_ | sw: you really have no other options to do what you want to do, sorry |
| 11:20.15 | atom-z | amorphix: you shouldnt have to use sid for developing software |
| 11:20.15 | shingouz_ | take care, man |
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| 11:20.37 | amorphix | well i need to use packaged software thats only available in unstable |
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| 11:20.49 | atom-z | amorphix: like? |
| 11:20.55 | liable | !simple sid backport |
| 11:20.55 | amorphix | couldnt use it outside of unstable due to dependencies |
| 11:20.55 | dpkg | [simple sid backport] 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 11:21.02 | amorphix | interchange |
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| 11:21.23 | atom-z | amorphix: you can run sarge but install sid deb's y'know |
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| 11:21.35 | atom-z | (see what dpkg said) |
| 11:21.40 | valdyn | atom-z: that's a horrible idea to apply generally |
| 11:21.42 | amorphix | ok |
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| 11:22.02 | amorphix | i dont really have a problem with running unstable |
| 11:22.08 | liable | i doubt sid is the problem of a mouse problem.. |
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| 11:22.18 | atom-z | valdyn: depends on what you're running |
| 11:22.20 | liable | um, |
| 11:22.29 | shingouz_ | no, that is not sid really, the mouse is out of cheese |
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| 11:22.38 | atom-z | amorphix: ok |
| 11:22.39 | liable | hah |
| 11:22.49 | amorphix | even my wacom pad cant function now |
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| 11:22.54 | atom-z | amorphix: does it detect the mouse? |
| 11:22.56 | fbi | amorphix: try a PS/2 -> USB adaptor on your pointing device, if it works, your PS/2 port is borked. |
| 11:23.00 | amorphix | so im really suspecting the ps2 port is duff |
| 11:23.02 | valdyn | amorphix: to further comfirm that its hardware, dmesg should have info about your ps2 port and if a mouse is found even info about its type |
| 11:23.11 | amorphix | because i know the wacom pad works, i got a driver loaded for it |
| 11:23.12 | valdyn | amorphix: like: 'dmesg | grep input' |
| 11:23.15 | shingouz_ | ps/2... grrrr..... |
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| 11:23.39 | amorphix | ahh yes |
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| 11:23.49 | atom-z | it does detect it? |
| 11:23.50 | amorphix | i should get some errors |
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| 11:23.57 | atom-z | oh |
| 11:24.03 | amorphix | it does detect the mouse it seems |
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| 11:24.10 | atom-z | what's the line? |
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| 11:24.16 | amorphix | sheesh |
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| 11:24.29 | amorphix | my touchpad and pointer stick have gone down again |
| 11:24.36 | amorphix | this keeps happening now |
| 11:24.36 | atom-z | :\ |
| 11:24.44 | amorphix | i reckon this system is screwed |
| 11:24.52 | atom-z | it sounds like your hardware is knackered |
| 11:24.59 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 11:25.01 | valdyn | i rockon your kernel cant cope with your hardwre |
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| 11:25.18 | amorphix | i must of burnt it out, i keep running it for ages and it gets very hot heh |
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| 11:25.41 | amorphix | i could fall back to an earlier kernel |
| 11:26.02 | liable | thought you said you tried that? |
| 11:26.10 | atom-z | valdyn: a newer kernel should cope with older hardware, shouldnt it? |
| 11:26.15 | amorphix | i tried it but it made no difference to the mouse not working |
| 11:26.23 | sema4 | what's so special about 2.6.12 that udev refuses to install without it? |
| 11:26.41 | valdyn | atom-z: yea, but new kernels have new bugs too, so trying several makes sense |
| 11:26.51 | atom-z | i see your point |
| 11:27.04 | Guerin | sema4: udev, despite the name, needs some kernel stuff. |
| 11:27.06 | liable | udev... should be a link to the old bug in topic i reckon.. |
| 11:27.22 | valdyn | !2.6.12 |
| 11:27.22 | dpkg | well, 2.6.12 is Kernel 2.6.12 has changes which require looking at.udev users need to use 0.58. VMware is known to have patches. Virtual midi alsa is also not included would appear, alsa 1.0.9 modules from alsa-source fixes. the kernel in which the new kernel packaging was introduced. see http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html for the list of new binary packages built |
| 11:27.30 | amorphix | well maybe its time to replace this laptop, if a replacement can solve the NFS issue at same time, might not be a bad thing |
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| 11:28.02 | atom-z | amorphix: how old is it? |
| 11:28.21 | amorphix | i would probably get something lighter this time and more compact, maybe a Compaq M300 or a Toshiba Portege 3440 |
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| 11:28.32 | liable | thinkpad! |
| 11:28.39 | amorphix | phew it must be quite old now..its a p3-600, prolly 1999/2000 |
| 11:28.44 | Guerin | lonovopad, you mean |
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| 11:29.00 | EmleyMoor | Why has openobex-over-usb stopped working under kernel 2.6.13.*? |
| 11:29.00 | liable | eh? |
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| 11:29.04 | Guerin | amorphix: p3-600 would be more like 2001 |
| 11:29.11 | amorphix | this is a HP Omnibook 6000 with a nice 14" screen |
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| 11:29.15 | amorphix | oh |
| 11:29.25 | Guerin | liable: lenovo, i mean |
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| 11:29.33 | liable | oh , the new makers.. |
| 11:29.58 | amorphix | all my hardware is HP i like it because it runs quiet and lasts along time |
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| 11:30.17 | Guerin | hp are a printer manufacturer |
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| 11:30.28 | amorphix | i have a HP workstation |
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| 11:30.43 | amorphix | and 2 HP brio systems |
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| 11:31.13 | amorphix | also have a hp laserjet 4 which i had since 1999 |
| 11:31.25 | amorphix | never even needed a service and runs smooth still |
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| 11:31.35 | liable | yes, i have a 91 commodore... |
| 11:31.44 | liable | car.. |
| 11:32.10 | amorphix | i would like to get one of those hp jornada palms |
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| 11:32.18 | amorphix | anyone ever tried one? |
| 11:32.27 | timgoh0 | amorphix: The 56x series? |
| 11:32.30 | amorphix | yes |
| 11:32.43 | timgoh0 | amorphix: They develop dust under the touchscreen. |
| 11:32.47 | timgoh0 | Shitty design |
| 11:33.00 | amorphix | ive got thru several casio cassiopeia palms but they always die |
| 11:33.08 | amorphix | ahh |
| 11:33.41 | timgoh0 | amorphix: If you want PPC gear, go for the iPaqs. They are reasonably hardy. And they take PCMCIA cards through a sleeve. |
| 11:34.06 | amorphix | i will check those out because im looking for a new palm device |
| 11:34.13 | shingouz_ | amorphix: ericsson mc16 (hp 320 iirc) can be yours cheap... well.. decent price... ;) |
| 11:34.19 | amorphix | hehe |
| 11:34.34 | groton | eh, is there a way to switch back to testing (or stable!) when i cant compile again (i get strange linking errors) an app it compiled always properly? |
| 11:34.35 | Guerin | if I could buy a palmish computer which could take a standard 2.5" HDD, i'd be stoked |
| 11:34.41 | amorphix | i have an ancient Palm IIIx which should be in a muesum or something |
| 11:34.54 | mrjazzman | anyone have any exp with compiling transcode on amd64? |
| 11:34.59 | Guerin | wouldn't have to be much, powerwise - just want storage. |
| 11:35.05 | amorphix | but on the plus side it works perfectly with Linux |
| 11:35.38 | shingouz_ | amorphix: the reason i am getting rid of the hp rebadge is that i got an IBM pc110 just before debconf. and it even runs linux |
| 11:35.40 | liable | !amd-64 |
| 11:35.52 | amorphix | cool |
| 11:35.58 | amorphix | how much are you asking for it? |
| 11:36.01 | liable | bah, my dpkg foo is weah tonight.. |
| 11:36.11 | liable | and my typing |
| 11:36.17 | mrjazzman | heh |
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| 11:36.47 | amorphix | cassiopeia's just seem to die for no apparant reason, working fine then one day no longer powers up |
| 11:36.55 | amorphix | ive had this fault happen on 3 now |
| 11:37.05 | timgoh0 | Guerin: The toshiba libretto? Or the Sony VGN-U70? Not sure about drivers for the latter though. |
| 11:37.15 | Guerin | eew, sony |
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| 11:37.46 | timgoh0 | Guerin: The libretto then. |
| 11:37.51 | alrs | The only good thing about sony are the picturebooks |
| 11:37.56 | mbcudny | apt-geg |
| 11:37.59 | alrs | and I can only assume they're half-crippled |
| 11:38.01 | mbcudny | apt-get |
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| 11:38.09 | mbcudny | critical problem |
| 11:38.16 | mbcudny | what's the matter? |
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| 11:38.23 | Guerin | timgoh0: i have looked at them. I recall them being bloody expensive, though. |
| 11:38.29 | alrs | I was at Computer Store last week and I was surprised to see librettos on the shelf again |
| 11:39.00 | shingouz_ | alrs: how many did you buy? :p |
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| 11:39.18 | amorphix | i gotta restart and check out this hardware...back laterz |
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| 11:39.18 | alrs | Librettos? None at 2k |
| 11:39.23 | shingouz_ | ouch |
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| 11:40.32 | Guerin | alrs: yeah. |
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| 11:40.52 | djp | where does sudo keep its log file? |
| 11:41.05 | shingouz_ | grrrr... i am stuck doing recoveries on 90 used netvistas, after F11 the damn thing install w2k... i seriously need caffeine |
| 11:41.12 | Guerin | djp: /var/log/auth.log |
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| 11:42.21 | djp | thanks Guerin |
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| 11:47.24 | azeem | wow, somebody uses crosshurd to install GNU/Linux on hppa |
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| 11:49.58 | Im_me_lyka | hi guys.. anyone has great knowledge in wine? |
| 11:50.01 | Im_me_lyka | here! |
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| 11:50.36 | baz | mmm, wine |
| 11:50.45 | EmleyMoor | Well, I know some stuff - but even I've stalled on it at present |
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| 11:51.05 | shingouz_ | !ask |
| 11:51.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:51.35 | Im_me_lyka | is it possible " if i click the application it automatically runs tru wine |
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| 11:52.42 | Im_me_lyka | ?? |
| 11:53.09 | _tobias | hey guys, i have a problem with making a softlink. actually not with making him, but with keeping him alive after restarting my system. everytim i restart, the softlink does not exist anymore. i do the softlink with: ln -s /opt/lampp/var/mysql/mysql.sock /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock, any idea? |
| 11:53.41 | asg | _tobias: have mysql create the socket |
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| 11:54.07 | amorphix | i just grepped my dmesg, does this look normal: input: PS/2 Generic Mouse on synaptics-pt/serio0 |
| 11:54.07 | Im_me_lyka | asg: is i possible? |
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| 11:54.24 | amorphix | wtf is synaptics-pt |
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| 11:54.37 | asg | amorphix: laptop mouse touchpad |
| 11:54.41 | amorphix | oh |
| 11:54.42 | Whitman | I'm trying to do an apt-get upgrade on etch, all of the packages listed installed fine except for dash which I get a connect error to my apt-proxy machine. Any ideas why this package is failing when the others installed during the upgrade worked? |
| 11:54.50 | asg | Im_me_lyka: or just have them recreated at boot using a custom /etc/init.d/ script. |
| 11:54.51 | Guerin | amorphix: like regular synaptics, but now with extra pt! |
| 11:54.56 | amorphix | why is it assigning ps2 to that i wonder |
| 11:55.01 | asg | Guerin: extra poot! |
| 11:55.02 | amorphix | that explains why mouse isnt working |
| 11:55.09 | amorphix | hehe |
| 11:55.14 | Guerin | asg: pootilicious! |
| 11:55.20 | asg | :) |
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| 11:55.29 | _tobias | asg: the mysql socket is located at /opt/lampp/...., but amarok is trying to get the socket from the stadard location. so i thought i could just create a softlink. it works perfectly fine untill i restart. the i have to create the link again, wich is pretty annoying |
| 11:55.43 | amorphix | also the reason my touchpad fails: psmouse.c: Touchpad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1 |
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| 11:56.00 | amorphix | could be hardware failure? |
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| 11:56.35 | amorphix | i dropped back to 2.6.8 and seems stable now, also theres no pulse noise |
| 11:56.40 | asg | _tobias: oh, Debian cleans /var/run at boot time (/etc/init.d/bootclean.sh) |
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| 11:57.16 | war- | how come I can no longer print from the gimp? I used to be able to before apt-get dist-upgrade? the print option is not there? |
| 11:57.18 | ma3x | this is bloody hell. as soon as i start playing something I get a minimal scratch error in background sound |
| 11:57.22 | ma3x | how come? |
| 11:57.30 | ma3x | when i unload all the snd drivers, it's gone |
| 11:57.37 | valdyn | _tobias: why dont you link the whole directory? |
| 11:57.37 | ma3x | then i load them back and it's still gone |
| 11:57.43 | asg | _tobias: that's why the symlink is deleted. Just create a custom init.d script (see /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example) to create the symlink at boottime (after /var/run is cleaned) |
| 11:57.43 | ma3x | and when i start playing something it appears |
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| 11:57.50 | asg | !tell ma3x about enter |
| 11:57.50 | war- | anyone? |
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| 11:57.58 | asg | war-: are you using sid? |
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| 11:58.03 | war- | asg, etch |
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| 11:58.16 | asg | war-: well, checking the bts would be a good idea |
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| 11:58.20 | ma3x | asg, ok |
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| 11:58.31 | _tobias | asg: oh thanks, i didtn know that. il try that |
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| 11:58.34 | ma3x | anyone who'll gladly help me? |
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| 11:58.37 | asg | _tobias: you're welcome |
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| 11:59.02 | asg | ma3x: if someone knows how to help, they will. |
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| 12:00.20 | albertino_ | hello, "I am new to Linux Debian and i have just installed the programm on my PC.. the installation was successful but i couldnt download the packages directly due to the connection..was not able to connect.. id like to know where and how i can download them all in one step and install them |
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| 12:00.37 | ma3x | asg, I mean no, I was wrong. As soon as I load the card driver `snd_ali5451' I get this scratching sound in the background |
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| 12:00.59 | valdyn | albertino_: what's "all" ? all 14 cd? |
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| 12:02.00 | ma3x | asg, is there a global driver for all cards? |
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| 12:02.19 | albertino_ | valdyn the basics.. graphic interface for exple |
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| 12:02.44 | albertino_ | and once there i dont know how to switch to root! |
| 12:02.50 | valdyn | albertino_: that's on the first CD, maybe you need the 2nd |
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| 12:02.57 | yalu | hello folks... can anyone recommend me good peer to peer filesharing networks/programs I can use under Debian? I am not too confident in the world of file sharing |
| 12:02.59 | albertino_ | i connect as a normal user automatically |
| 12:03.18 | valdyn | albertino_: debian doesnt "connect as a normal user automatically" |
| 12:03.18 | shay | guys, let's say that I have my own version of /bin/cp in my system, how can I avoid from the coreutils package to override my version with aot-get upgrade? |
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| 12:03.41 | albertino_ | there's the $ sign |
| 12:03.49 | albertino_ | i didn t see the # |
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| 12:03.56 | darkness1 | yalu: I am very good with file sharing.Well NOT exactly sharing as i read your files :-) |
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| 12:04.30 | yalu | darkness1: uh, what do you mean? |
| 12:04.36 | Im_me_lyka | in running other games.. it laggss wats the solution for this? do i have to install my VC? |
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| 12:04.59 | valdyn | albertino_: so are you logging in as a normal user or is this happening "automatically" ? |
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| 12:05.15 | valdyn | !unix basics |
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| 12:05.30 | valdyn | !unix |
| 12:05.31 | dpkg | i guess unix is a broad definition for a very popular kind of OS or is what the Internet was built on, or sexy, or http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/otherunix.html, or http://www.unix-systems.org/, or a gift from the gods, or http://www.scarynetworkguy.net, or http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/login.html |
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| 12:05.47 | albertino_ | valdyn automatically... it says username: then password |
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| 12:06.01 | ttl | hi |
| 12:06.17 | valdyn | albertino_: umm, so you enter your name and password *manually* |
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| 12:06.31 | albertino_ | yeah i dont have another choice |
| 12:06.39 | Coweater | shay: equivs might be useful |
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| 12:06.47 | valdyn | albertino_: suprisingly, if you enter 'root' and the proper password, you will log in as root |
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| 12:07.06 | ttl | is there a audio tool that can split up .wav files in to multiple tracks where there is silence in the .wav |
| 12:07.09 | albertino_ | ah ok i'll try this ! |
| 12:07.15 | Guerin | !sox |
| 12:07.15 | dpkg | [sox] imagemagick for audio |
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| 12:07.21 | _tobias | asg: i dont understand the skeleton script. cant i just make a script which has #!/bin/sh and the ln command in it? how do i tell the OS to run this script at startup? |
| 12:07.29 | valdyn | albertino_: if you log in as user and enter 'su' <enter> you can 'switch' to root |
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| 12:07.37 | ttl | can sox do that ? |
| 12:07.40 | shay | Coweater, give me another hint :) |
| 12:07.46 | Guerin | _tobias: put your line in bootmisc |
| 12:07.50 | Guerin | ttl: i believe so. |
| 12:07.52 | Coweater | shay: /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 12:08.04 | shay | Coweater, thanks |
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| 12:08.31 | Coweater | pretty much have to maintain your own coreutils somehow though, no utility for replacing a single item from the package |
| 12:08.38 | albertino_ | valdyn i'll try it right away.. Do you have any idea where i can get all the rest of the cds? |
| 12:08.40 | Ale_Ryu | hi everyone |
| 12:08.51 | Ale_Ryu | I need help installing java |
| 12:08.58 | Guerin | Ale_Ryu: /topic |
| 12:08.59 | valdyn | !d-i |
| 12:08.59 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 12:09.04 | valdyn | !release notes |
| 12:09.04 | dpkg | from memory, release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
| 12:09.04 | _tobias | asg: just at the end before : exit 0 ? |
| 12:09.14 | valdyn | !ig |
| 12:09.14 | dpkg | methinks ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 12:09.19 | shay | Coweater, I can try that out, but what if /bin/ls (wich is in the same package as /bin/cp) needs upgrading? |
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| 12:09.22 | valdyn | albertino_: read the install guide ^^ |
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| 12:09.51 | valdyn | albertino_: a) set up your network b) fix your apt sources ( they are probably ok already ) c) apt-get install <somepackage> |
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| 12:10.05 | Whitman | Is it safe to delete /var/cache/apt-proxy/* to clear my apt-proxy cache? |
| 12:10.18 | Im_me_lyka | in running other games.. it laggss wats the solution for this? do i have to install my VC? |
| 12:10.19 | Coweater | shay: you'll be the one managing it, you can decide |
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| 12:10.43 | valdyn | Whitman: sounds like overkill |
| 12:10.48 | ttl | i don't find anything in the man pag of sow saying it can split files basic on silence |
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| 12:10.56 | ttl | based* |
| 12:10.57 | valdyn | Whitman: have you tried just restarting apt-proxy ? |
| 12:11.09 | Whitman | valdyn, yea, a few times. |
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| 12:11.19 | albertino_ | valdyn, ok thank you for info.. ill be back later |
| 12:11.25 | valdyn | Whitman: removing just only the file that 'doesnt work' ? |
| 12:11.36 | fbi | ttl: apt-get install audacity |
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| 12:11.44 | Whitman | valdyn, yep, removed the dash deb. |
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| 12:12.50 | Whitman | It's odd as I can install new packages, and the other packages during the upgrade worked, it's just dash that gives a connection error. |
| 12:12.51 | valdyn | Whitman: and reading the logfile? |
| 12:13.00 | ttl | fbi: thnx |
| 12:13.09 | Malkie^ | I need a (hopefully) quick question... is there any way I can use an external smtp relay server with my configured qmail server? My qmail server is working all right, but I want to use my ISP's smtp host without having to change all smtp addresses in the local machines. |
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| 12:13.27 | Whitman | valdyn, where is the log? |
| 12:13.38 | valdyn | Whitman: /var/log/apt-proxy.log |
| 12:13.56 | valdyn | Whitman: you can remove anything in /var/cache/apt-build/, though i doubt its the source of your error |
| 12:14.08 | valdyn | Whitman: you can remove anything in /var/cache/apt-proxy/, though i doubt its the source of your error |
| 12:14.17 | Phr0zenKore_ | how do i get framebuffer (or something better like that), to work? |
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| 12:16.10 | Whitman | valdyn, the error log definately has errors related to dash |
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| 12:18.27 | error403 | I was wondering - could someone tell me what form of encryption Linux uses in the /etc/shadow file (for passwords) ? |
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| 12:19.29 | ttl | fbi: thanks for the tip but i'm rather looking for a command line tool |
| 12:19.37 | Oliver-Beograd | Is there any way to start some program on booting in debian ? I tried some script to make bot it wont work |
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| 12:20.14 | ttl | anybody else knows a command line tool to split .wav in seperate files where there is silence in the .wav |
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| 12:20.47 | ttl | i'm seaching with google but did not find anything so far |
| 12:20.54 | ttl | searching* |
| 12:21.26 | fbi | ttl: i don't know why you wouldn't use audacity for that, you can visually look at the beatgraph for a much better result |
| 12:21.36 | the1_ts | ttl: mp3splt does mp3's |
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| 12:21.45 | Malkie^ | Oliver-Beograd: You could check /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
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| 12:22.44 | cahoot | ttl: gramofile can do that |
| 12:22.57 | fbi | ttl: i use audacity to cut up entire albums that i rip from vinyl, that sounds like what you want to do |
| 12:23.10 | the1_ts | ttl: wavsplit is in unstable |
| 12:23.16 | simonrvn | audacity nice for that |
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| 12:23.25 | ryanakca | While following this HOWTO http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Cyrus-IMAP-7.html I edited the sendmail.mc configuration file accordingly. The error and the config is available at http://channels.debian.net/paste/768 |
| 12:23.39 | KingChango | hi all, anyone can help me with a vgetty problem? |
| 12:23.58 | ttl | fbi: no i want to split up instrument libs into separate instruments |
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| 12:24.21 | fbi | ttl: that is entirely different from what you originally asked |
| 12:24.21 | ttl | fbi: and the silence is perfect silence in the .wav files |
| 12:24.51 | KingChango | I have an answering machine with a us robotics ext but I can't hear any message during the call... I must wait until the message is finished and delivered to my email to hear it... maybe it is an issue with the volume settings but I'm lost |
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| 12:25.34 | ttl | fbi: sorry for the misunderstanding |
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| 12:25.48 | fbi | ttl: it's all good |
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| 12:26.06 | ttl | cahoot: i'll try gramofile |
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| 12:26.42 | ttl | the1_ts: wavsplit does not recognize silence it splits on given times |
| 12:26.44 | simonrvn | except i used it on cds, heh, not records |
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| 12:28.13 | albertino_ | how can i get reach the base configuration window after installation of linux debian? |
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| 12:28.32 | simonrvn | base-config |
| 12:28.34 | fbi | albertino_: base-config |
| 12:28.38 | xinming_Beijing | anyone here can tell me why If I will get dependency problem while I instsall kde? |
| 12:28.40 | xinming_Beijing | use `apt-get install kde` |
| 12:28.42 | xinming_Beijing | kde: Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed |
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| 12:29.20 | albertino_ | ok thx guys |
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| 12:29.27 | Guerin | xinming_Beijing: kde-core |
| 12:29.32 | asg | xinming_Beijing: you aren't using stable, you mixed stable with testing/unstable (i.e. bobbitted yourself), you added sources to non-official packages, etc. |
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| 12:29.36 | Guerin | xinming_Beijing: what branch of debian? |
| 12:29.46 | xinming_Beijing | testing |
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| 12:30.01 | xinming_Beijing | maybe mixed some unstable softwares. |
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| 12:30.04 | Guerin | xinming_Beijing: does kde-core work? |
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| 12:30.09 | whaq | hi mr debian user @ beijing, china |
| 12:30.13 | xinming_Beijing | But I've tried not to mix it... |
| 12:30.24 | xinming_Beijing | whaq: Hi. :-) |
| 12:30.25 | Malkie^ | xinming_Beijing: for more information, try to run "apt-get install kdegraphics" and post the result error |
| 12:30.28 | simonrvn | you can't stop it |
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| 12:31.02 | Guerin | and fall off the Wall again |
| 12:31.04 | xinming_Beijing | Malkie^: In fact, It've tried... and at last... I got not installable package... |
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| 12:31.12 | simonrvn | (well, yo can in a very limited way, with the equivalent of dancing with the package manger) |
| 12:31.31 | simonrvn | Guerin: :) |
| 12:31.32 | xinming_Beijing | kamera: Depends: libexif10 but it is not installable |
| 12:31.40 | Guerin | !why is kdegraphics not in testing |
| 12:31.41 | dpkg | kdegraphics is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdegraphics |
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| 12:32.16 | xinming_Beijing | Guerin: well, I am in BeiJing. But soon will be back to WenZhou. |
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| 12:32.38 | xinming_Beijing | Why I use xinming_Beijing is because sometimes, I will ssh to my home pc, and use erc to stick here. :-) |
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| 12:32.48 | Guerin | xinming_Beijing: i only visited Beijing while I was there |
| 12:34.30 | xinming_Beijing | Guerin: What do you come China for? For tasting the different culture or some work? :-) |
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| 12:35.12 | Whitman | Well, manually installing dash with dpkg worked, no idea why it wouldn't get it through apt-proxy though. |
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| 12:35.24 | Guerin | xinming_Beijing: preparation for a roat trip from korea to the UK next year |
| 12:35.50 | Guerin | a road trip, i mean |
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| 12:36.32 | xinming_Beijing | Guerin: apt-get install kde-core works |
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| 12:36.47 | Guerin | xinming_Beijing: chances are you don't need much more than that anyway. |
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| 12:38.26 | xinming_Beijing | hmm, I have a question. Why not make debian a distribution which we can do daily upgrades weekly upgrades and month upgrades and years upgrades? I ever typed this opinion here. But I didn't watch for the answer, causes need to go sleep. So, Anyone here would give me the answer? :-) |
| 12:39.13 | Guerin | xinming_Beijing: it is, usually. Testing breaks rarely. |
| 12:39.25 | xinming_Beijing | It's ok for years upgrades to delay for months... |
| 12:40.03 | Guerin | it's possible to do upgrades years apart. I've upgraded from woody directly to sid. |
| 12:40.39 | xinming_Beijing | Guerin: hmm, Yes, I know, But testing sometimes doesn't stand on its role sometimes. |
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| 12:41.16 | Guerin | xinming_Beijing: rarely. |
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| 12:42.06 | xinming_Beijing | I remember that that the problem lasted over 5 days while I do upgrade on gnome 2.6 -> 2.8. |
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| 12:42.15 | xinming_Beijing | maybe not right, but more or less. :-) |
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| 12:43.13 | xinming_Beijing | and at that period. some package in testing is about 10 days later than unstable... :-) |
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| 12:44.25 | xinming_Beijing | that's why I thought split the upgrades into daily weekly monthly and yearly is better than stable testing unstable. |
| 12:44.52 | Guerin | xinming_Beijing: time-based deadlines don't work quite that way. |
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| 12:46.24 | xinming_Beijing | Guerin: hmm, weekly and daily upgrade makes people more understandable to many people... :-) |
| 12:46.51 | Ircownik | could you help me with my problem. i've made upgrade and now my eth is dead. i have acpi disebled beacouse my bios is to old. where can i manualy set acpi to on? |
| 12:47.20 | Guerin | xinming_Beijing: well, currently, it IS a daily upgrade. What are you proposing? That the repository be verified to work every week? Do you realise there are 16,000 packages in debian? |
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| 12:48.53 | Im_me_lyka | hey guys "wrong surface drive" what does this means? |
| 12:49.10 | xinming_Beijing | Guerin: hmm, What I think is, daily(unstable) -> weekly(testing) -> monthly... |
| 12:49.29 | xinming_Beijing | Guerin: Oh, Ok, I think I understand why time deadline doesn't work... |
| 12:49.38 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:49.55 | Im_me_lyka | please help me |
| 12:50.17 | Coweater | Im_me_lyka: give us context |
| 12:50.23 | EmleyMoor | Im_me_lyka: What are you trying to do? |
| 12:50.40 | Im_me_lyka | context? |
| 12:50.46 | xinming_Beijing | Guerin: Because it's not windows. :-) |
| 12:50.48 | Im_me_lyka | running a game using wine |
| 12:51.11 | Guerin | xinming_Beijing: um... nope. |
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| 12:51.18 | Guerin | Im_me_lyka: #winehq |
| 12:51.25 | Im_me_lyka | but when i run it smthin says it about direct draw or 3d |
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| 12:52.17 | Coweater | Im_me_lyka: look at cedega |
| 12:53.08 | Im_me_lyka | cant use cedega |
| 12:53.15 | Im_me_lyka | coz cedega is not free |
| 12:53.29 | xinming_Beijing | Guerin: I know, In fact, there is a "yearly" release in Debian release which is stable. And It's no need to make a monthly release as testing can be stood for weekly and monthly. |
| 12:53.31 | Coweater | and 3d windows games are? |
| 12:53.34 | Im_me_lyka | it says err:ddraw and err:DDSOUND |
| 12:53.39 | Guerin | Im_me_lyka: neither is this windows game you're playing. |
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| 12:53.56 | Guerin | Im_me_lyka: or failing to play, atcmb. |
| 12:54.11 | Coweater | well not necessarily 3d, but using directx |
| 12:54.19 | Im_me_lyka | failing to run the game... the game cd is free |
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| 12:54.24 | Im_me_lyka | its an online game |
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| 12:54.45 | xinming_Beijing | If we make the "release" time-line based. then, we need more work to do. But won't benefit much... |
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| 12:55.05 | Guerin | xinming_Beijing: pretty much. |
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| 12:55.48 | Im_me_lyka | where can i get a direct draw for linux? |
| 12:56.01 | Ircownik | you have any advice about disable acpi and dead ethernet? |
| 12:56.21 | Coweater | Im_me_lyka: there is none, it's a microsoft api, the only somewhat complete implimentation is in cedega |
| 12:56.26 | Guerin | Im_me_lyka: ask microsoft. |
| 12:56.28 | asg | Ircownik: boot with noacpi or acpi=off |
| 12:56.39 | Im_me_lyka | cedega is not free right? |
| 12:56.45 | Eclipser | Im_me_lyka, cedega CVS is free |
| 12:56.52 | Im_me_lyka | how to get it then? |
| 12:56.59 | Eclipser | google |
| 12:57.00 | Im_me_lyka | thus CVS has direct draw? |
| 12:57.03 | Ircownik | where can i change it to boot whit acpi or set it on? |
| 12:57.05 | Guerin | Im_me_lyka: #winehq goddamnit |
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| 12:57.16 | Eclipser | #cedega more likely :) |
| 12:57.30 | asg | Ircownik: edit your lilo.conf or grub menu.lst (it depends on which bootloader you use) |
| 12:58.07 | Ircownik | thanks asg, i try it |
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| 12:58.57 | Im_me_lyka | wa... ive been there for an hour. they wont answer :( |
| 12:59.06 | Squarepants | i am through knoppix, and try to chroot my installed linux partition |
| 12:59.20 | DeIjssel | hmm I got exim running and it is forwarded.. locally I can telnet to it without problems.. remotely it connects.. but starts to give me a response after like 20 seconds? .. nothing special in the logs either.. I wanted to ask it at #exim but I am not sure if it is exim's fault in the first place.. and even then it's exim 3.36 which is the newest in etch.. should I try exim 4 or? |
| 12:59.26 | asg | Squarepants: mount your partition, chroot /mnt/point |
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| 12:59.46 | asg | DeIjssel: it's either doing a reverse dns lookup or an ident check |
| 12:59.46 | Squarepants | but it sez access denied and returns me to a prmpts bash-2.05b |
| 12:59.54 | asg | DeIjssel: probably the latter in this case. |
| 13:00.01 | asg | Squarepants: are you doing it as root? |
| 13:00.02 | xinming_Beijing | hmm, Ok, So, Is there way to use newest kde in testing? |
| 13:00.06 | Squarepants | yup |
| 13:00.12 | asg | xinming_Beijing: try #debian-kde |
| 13:00.15 | DeIjssel | asg: I've done both.. lemme check though |
| 13:00.36 | asg | Squarepants: what exact command did you type, what exact error did you get? |
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| 13:00.52 | Squarepants | chroot /dev/hdc1 |
| 13:01.05 | valdyn | Squarepants: what the hell |
| 13:01.16 | Squarepants | then the shell is filled with lines bash: /dev/null: access denied |
| 13:01.27 | Squarepants | and returns me to a prmpt bash-2.05b# |
| 13:01.35 | asg | Squarepants: mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt ; chroot /mnt |
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| 13:02.48 | DeIjssel | asg: same happens if I do it with root.. |
| 13:03.15 | asg | DeIjssel: did you disable ident lookups in your exim config? |
| 13:03.38 | Squarepants | asg it worked.. do you know why? :P |
| 13:03.54 | DeIjssel | asg: hmm not yet.. lemme try that one |
| 13:04.40 | asg | Squarepants: because you can't chroot directly to a device, only a mounted filesystem or directory |
| 13:05.09 | Squarepants | but what i did was chroot /mnt/hdc1 |
| 13:05.13 | Squarepants | which is a directory |
| 13:05.39 | asg | Squarepants: you said 'chroot /dev/hdc1' above, not 'chroot /mnt/hdc1' |
| 13:06.08 | Squarepants | my wong.. actually i used /mnt/hdc1 |
| 13:06.21 | fbi | sumting wong |
| 13:06.34 | Squarepants | when i used /dev/hdc1 it returned me the error screen, but when i used the /mnt/hdc1, it returned me the weird stuff i told you |
| 13:06.35 | asg | wong chung? |
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| 13:06.48 | fbi | </random> Tesco now sells baguettes with cheddar cheese baked on top, they make excellent garlic bread. |
| 13:07.17 | asg | fbi: I'd murder a pork pie and HP right now. |
| 13:07.25 | fbi | hah! |
| 13:07.41 | Pfated | Think pork pies are already dead. |
| 13:07.58 | quatell | what would be the crontab syntax to run a task each minute? i read the man but i'm too stupid to understand |
| 13:07.59 | asg | Pfated: you can never be sure |
| 13:08.05 | cahoot | only nominally |
| 13:08.06 | asg | quatell: * * * * * |
| 13:08.08 | Pfated | asg: Half an hour in the oven does it. |
| 13:08.14 | fbi | Pfated: not if you make a large pie, and use a small, potbellied pig. |
| 13:08.18 | asg | Pfated: yes |
| 13:08.43 | Pfated | fbi: I enjoy small pies with minced meat. |
| 13:09.03 | fbi | ditto |
| 13:09.16 | fbi | actually steak + kidney pies aren't bad |
| 13:09.26 | fbi | that's the first kind of pie i tried when i got here |
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| 13:10.36 | quatell | asg: thanks, that looks funny. i'll reread the man to understand somehow |
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| 13:11.08 | asg | quatell: man 5 crontab (plenty of examples) |
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| 13:11.10 | quatell | asg: the syntax indicates that this is the smallest intervall which is choosable, right? |
| 13:11.22 | asg | quatell: right |
| 13:11.24 | fbi | quatell: correct |
| 13:11.40 | quatell | ok, i'll have a look, or too |
| 13:11.53 | quatell | two i meant |
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| 13:12.11 | ales | somebody boots single from grub ? |
| 13:12.24 | asg | ales: boot to single user mode? |
| 13:12.28 | ales | yes |
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| 13:12.34 | By-Tor | This is interesting. |
| 13:12.45 | ales | and doinf e2fsck |
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| 13:13.02 | By-Tor | Woke up and looked at my nightlyapt script. It seems that ethereal wants to be removed. |
| 13:13.05 | asg | ales: when you get to the grub prompt, stop the countdown (hit shift). Then, type 'e' on the kernel you want to boot and add 'single' to the end of the line |
| 13:13.11 | Nonomero | hello everyone |
| 13:13.12 | asg | ales: when you've done that, type 'b' to boot it. |
| 13:13.25 | asg | By-Tor: yes, gnome 2.10 is going into sid |
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| 13:13.51 | By-Tor | asg: So should I let ethereal be removed and install it later? Or should I put the package in hold status. |
| 13:13.55 | ales | asg: yes, that sound like what i do, but i repiar with e2fsck, reboot and have "typectrl-d or give root" again |
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| 13:14.11 | S3v3N | hi |
| 13:14.24 | Nonomero | could everybody help me with debconf (devel) ? |
| 13:14.30 | asg | By-Tor: put it on hold, it was removed and isn't installable afterwards. |
| 13:14.30 | DoppelGanger | he he |
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| 13:14.47 | S3v3N | can you tell me how to add repository? |
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| 13:14.56 | asg | ales: then it didn't get fixed correctly, check you fixed all your filesystems. |
| 13:15.03 | By-Tor | asg: Thats what I thought. I saw on bugs.debian.org that the new ethereal in Sid depends on the stuff in experimental. |
| 13:15.04 | asg | S3v3N: apt-setup |
| 13:15.04 | ales | asg: so not sure if i actualy booted single. when single, how it ends up ? also with ctrl-d prompt ? |
| 13:15.11 | lord_rob | S3v3N: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:15.12 | asg | ales: yes |
| 13:15.20 | S3v3N | thanks |
| 13:15.25 | asg | By-Tor: yes, in a few days, it will be fine |
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| 13:15.46 | By-Tor | asg: Cool. I'll keep my eye on it. |
| 13:16.02 | jsk | hi i am using ubuntu 5.04 |
| 13:16.09 | fbi | jsk: #ubuntu |
| 13:16.11 | ales | asg: mhm, strange. after boot single, i remount rw, e2fsck, remount ro, and reboot |
| 13:16.12 | jsk | can any one help me |
| 13:16.18 | jsk | ok |
| 13:16.22 | S3v3N | asg thanks its working now ;) |
| 13:16.23 | Nonomero | here is my pb : I would like debconf to ask the user a question *only* on the first install... on when it reconfigures |
| 13:16.26 | asg | S3v3N: cool |
| 13:16.43 | Nonomero | does anybody know how to do that ? i find nothing in the manual :-/ |
| 13:16.45 | asg | ales: and it still comes back to single? what error does it tell you before stopping there? |
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| 13:17.12 | ales | asg: nono, then i boot normaly, but get ctrl-d again |
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| 13:17.29 | asg | ales: verify you don't have a /forcefsck file. If so, remove it. |
| 13:17.33 | Loevborg | Is there an easy way to import a large number (>1000) of messages into an imap account? |
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| 13:18.06 | asg | Loevborg: just open the message in mutt, open a connection to the imap server, tag the messages and copy |
| 13:18.07 | ales | asg: wow whats that ? in / dir ? no. |
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| 13:18.36 | prock | does sshd use the auth port (113)? |
| 13:18.40 | Loevborg | asg, I can open multiple mailboxes at the same time in mutt? |
| 13:18.50 | ales | mr. dpkg does not know it |
| 13:18.53 | asg | ales: you can force a fsck on reboot by simply 'touch /forcefsck'. It's usually cleaned up at boot but might not have been |
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| 13:19.06 | asg | ales: otherwise, verify that your bootloader config isn't sending you into single. |
| 13:19.24 | asg | Loevborg: you should be able to iirc. |
| 13:19.44 | ales | asg: ok, i try, thanks, forcefsck is where ? |
| 13:19.50 | asg | ales: / |
| 13:19.57 | ales | hm |
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| 13:20.01 | S3v3N | asg: and ssh still not working i used apt-setup than apt-get update than apt-get upgrade what can i do now for ssh? |
| 13:20.09 | asg | ales: if you don't have one, there is some other issue. |
| 13:20.13 | Squarepants | i try to grub-install but i get Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 13:20.22 | asg | S3v3N: what is wrong with you ssh? |
| 13:20.27 | S3v3N | its not working... |
| 13:20.43 | asg | S3v3N: what would fooling with your sources fix a broken ssh? |
| 13:20.49 | asg | S3v3N: in what way is it 'not working'? |
| 13:20.49 | S3v3N | no |
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| 13:21.19 | S3v3N | i reinstalled debian than i didn't have internet for update sources ftp , http , cdrom etc... and i did this now.. soo ssh is not installed |
| 13:21.25 | S3v3N | apt-get install ssh or? |
| 13:21.39 | asg | S3v3N: are you using stable or etch/unstable? |
| 13:21.53 | S3v3N | stable |
| 13:21.54 | Loevborg | asg, I'll give it a try, thanks. |
| 13:22.03 | asg | S3v3N: then it should be 'apt-get install ssh' |
| 13:22.10 | S3v3N | ok thanks |
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| 13:23.58 | S3v3N | asg: really really thanks now its working all ;) |
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| 13:24.26 | whitehorse1 | Q) Hi. A film called Renaissance Man is on TV in about an hour - I'm not sure who's in it. Is it worth watching? |
| 13:24.58 | whitehorse1 | Semi off-topic perhaps. |
| 13:25.26 | henke | Perhaps entirely off topic ;) |
| 13:25.49 | whitehorse1 | Ah, but is it watchable! ;> |
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| 13:26.08 | By-Tor | whitehorse1: I don't know, looks watchable. What channel is it on? |
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| 13:26.27 | whitehorse1 | Channel five @ 3:50pm (UK) |
| 13:26.45 | By-Tor | whitehorse1: Got one of the Cusacks in it, albeit a small role. |
| 13:26.56 | whitehorse1 | Hmm, the writeup looks okay. Stars Danny DeVito. Which could be bad, could be good. |
| 13:27.15 | whitehorse1 | By-Tor: Cool. I can appreciate the Cusacks works |
| 13:27.21 | asg | whitehorse1: he's a Harvard English Teacher or somesuch iirc |
| 13:27.45 | By-Tor | whitehorse1: John rules. I've seen just about ever one of his movies. |
| 13:27.53 | asg | whitehorse1: if you want a good Cusack film, High Fidelity is the best |
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| 13:28.31 | whitehorse1 | asg: Ohhh is it that one? I saw that once before. He's unemployed and the laborexchange place finds out he has a masters degree therefore he has to be a teacher. It was okay; might be worth relaxing in front of for a bit |
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| 13:28.48 | By-Tor | asg: Gross Point Blank ownz |
| 13:28.51 | asg | whitehorse1: I think so |
| 13:29.04 | asg | By-Tor: yes, another good one. |
| 13:29.08 | darkness1 | Yeah gpb ownz. |
| 13:29.34 | whitehorse1 | I was just gonna say GPB ! g my fave |
| 13:29.40 | By-Tor | asg: Any of his 80's movies is thuroughly watchable. "I want my two dollars!" |
| 13:29.52 | asg | By-Tor: two dollars |
| 13:30.00 | whitehorse1 | The Sure Thing. Ah, memories |
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| 13:30.26 | By-Tor | asg: We can't let all those cute and fuzzy bunnies win!!! |
| 13:30.26 | asg | By-Tor: don't forget the Stork Twins in 'One Crazy Summer' |
| 13:30.42 | darkness1 | Which is the one with him as an assasin? |
| 13:30.44 | asg | !kill the cute and fuzzy bunnies |
| 13:30.53 | asg | darkness1: Gross Pointe Blank |
| 13:31.06 | By-Tor | I like better off dead better than one crazy summer, but they are both quite classic. |
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| 13:31.18 | darkness1 | With the guy from Sneakers. |
| 13:31.25 | asg | By-Tor: yeah, I prefer BOD. |
| 13:31.29 | asg | darkness1: Dan Ackroyd |
| 13:31.30 | By-Tor | As a child of the 80's thou, GPB has to be my favorite Cusack movie. |
| 13:31.37 | whitehorse1 | co-sign |
| 13:31.50 | asg | whitehorse1: why grab an imaginary one when you can grab a real one? |
| 13:31.55 | darkness1 | Thats him. Those were the days :-P |
| 13:31.59 | By-Tor | asg: Spies Like Us ;) |
| 13:32.03 | asg | By-Tor: hah |
| 13:32.13 | darkness1 | Doctor, doctor :-) |
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| 13:32.14 | asg | By-Tor: doctor, doctor. Doctor, doctor. ... |
| 13:32.22 | whitehorse1 | asg: Just in case the trick in the Sure Thing doesn't work! ;p |
| 13:32.30 | asg | whitehorse1: heh |
| 13:33.30 | whitehorse1 | Class wasn't such a good Cusack film; still, it was early days for him & it's shortcoming were probably more down to the script. |
| 13:33.42 | asg | whitehorse1: he was in 16 Candles as well |
| 13:34.05 | fbi | asg: so was his sister |
| 13:34.12 | By-Tor | Hollywood needs Savage Steve Holland. Thats all I'm gonna say ;) |
| 13:34.17 | asg | fbi: yes, they pair up in a lot of films. |
| 13:34.19 | fbi | she's the chick who gets busy with long-duck-dong |
| 13:34.34 | whitehorse1 | Haven't seen that one, might have to catch it some time on a nostalgia-fest |
| 13:34.37 | By-Tor | "Dong, where is my automobile?" |
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| 13:34.56 | asg | actually, I have to say that PCU was the best film. No Cusack but it does have Jeremy Piven from the Sure Thing. |
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| 13:35.16 | whitehorse1 | asg: ooh yeah protests! |
| 13:35.35 | asg | ..."Free Mandella". Dude, they freed him already. |
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| 13:36.14 | whitehorse1 | asg: that reminds me I should watch my dvd of animal house sometime. |
| 13:36.37 | darkness1 | That film with Matt Dammon as a card shark was a great movie. |
| 13:36.39 | By-Tor | whitehorse1: My fav scene is the guitar. |
| 13:37.00 | Slaytanic | Hello. I have a brand new HP Proliant server with a SATA drive that I'm trying to install Debian onto... The problem is that it won't boot when the CDROM is unplugged, seems it can't mount the file system. Any suggestions how to solve this? |
| 13:37.16 | whitehorse1 | darkness1: I actually remember that one - it was really good; don't remember the time |
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| 13:37.33 | By-Tor | Slaytanic: Make sure the hard drive is set to book in the BIOS |
| 13:37.42 | whitehorse1 | darkness1: was that the one with the line "...I'm an arm" as in excellent dice craps player? |
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| 13:37.46 | Ircownik | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.15 | whitehorse1 | time=name |
| 13:38.25 | asg | Ircownik: oh, I thought you said you wanted to disable it. It should be enabled by default on a standard Debian kernel. |
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| 13:38.32 | Slaytanic | It boots from the HD all right, but the kernel panics pretty quickly due to missing pivot_root. Guess it only reads the /boot partition and doesn't find the / partition or something. |
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| 13:38.37 | boguh | i get this error: Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages |
| 13:38.38 | asg | Ircownik: check the output of dmesg |
| 13:38.39 | darkness1 | whitehorse1: No he was a law student and played big money poker games in his spare time. |
| 13:38.47 | asg | !wb paulswm |
| 13:38.48 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! paulswm has returned! |
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| 13:38.57 | whitehorse1 | boguh that's not an error |
| 13:38.59 | Ircownik | output is acpi is disable beacouse old bios |
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| 13:39.13 | asg | Ircownik: then your BIOS may not support it. Try using apm instead. |
| 13:39.16 | boguh | rr ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages |
| 13:39.16 | boguh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.18 | Ircownik | thats happened after upgrade |
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| 13:39.33 | fbi | boguh: replace 'testing' with 'etch'. marillat now uses code-names only. |
| 13:39.43 | paulswm | Hi, asg, hope that you are well, etc. :) |
| 13:39.46 | asg | Ircownik: upgrade from what to what. |
| 13:39.51 | asg | paulswm: pretty good, yourself? |
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| 13:40.04 | darkness1 | whitehorse1: It was rounders.Btw good will hunting was good too :-) |
| 13:40.18 | boguh | fbi works, thx |
| 13:40.29 | fbi | no worries |
| 13:40.42 | swatikiss | what is/does "grml" mean? |
| 13:40.45 | Ircownik | only packages to new versions, and after that eth had not stand up |
| 13:40.50 | asg | swatikiss: in what context? |
| 13:41.01 | whitehorse1 | boguh: The nerim.net line for etch/testing is: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main He recently removed the "stable", "testing", and "unstable" directories so you need to use the Toy Story name of your distro. Also, he signs his packages and apt pays attention to that now. You have to add his key to your trusted keyring, like so: # gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --no-default-keyring --recv-key 07DC563D1F41B907 (or search for |
| 13:41.01 | whitehorse1 | marillat or nerim-net in your GPGP utility thang I suppose |
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| 13:41.06 | asg | Ircownik: what debian version? |
| 13:41.08 | ircops | damn you wanna talk about hangover? |
| 13:41.12 | ircops | hehe |
| 13:41.29 | asg | ircops: if you never stop drinking, you won't get a hangover |
| 13:41.30 | whitehorse1 | darkness1: agreed |
| 13:41.50 | ircops | asg: actually, my BAC is probably still up there... I feel a little bit tipsy hehe |
| 13:42.07 | asg | ircops: a little HOD helps. |
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| 13:42.14 | ircops | eh? |
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| 13:42.23 | asg | Hair o' the Dog |
| 13:42.40 | swatikiss | asg: well, i am trying to find a .deb for my acx100 wireless card with my 2.6.12 kernel... and i found a deb for acx100-2.6.12-grml.deb or something like that...(im on a k6 laptop - i have been using a 386 kernel image and acx100 deb) |
| 13:42.43 | ircops | I don't even want to get anywhere NEAR the damn dog right now heh |
| 13:43.02 | By-Tor | This is an embarrasing mistake: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=329889 |
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| 13:44.09 | whitehorse1 | By-Tor: ouch @ last part 'or only upload source packages' heh |
| 13:44.14 | asg | By-Tor: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=155873 (that is an embarrasing mistake) |
| 13:44.46 | asg | swatikiss: you can try it. Dunno if it will work though. |
| 13:45.16 | darkness1 | Whitehorse1: A decent film you may have not seen is Finding Forrester? |
| 13:45.16 | Ircownik | asd: sarge 2.4.27-2 |
| 13:45.16 | Ircownik | asg: sarge 2.4.27-2 |
| 13:45.18 | paulswm | asg: Pretty good, had another two stents put in my cororanry arteries for a total of three, now awaiting bypass surgery on my right leg behind the knee. :) |
| 13:45.32 | darkness1 | Damn wonder if this is a social engineering ploy :-) |
| 13:45.40 | asg | paulswm: :) |
| 13:45.42 | pharm | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.43 | pharm | mutt |
| 13:45.47 | pharm | bother |
| 13:45.53 | asg | Ircownik: debian version, not kernel version. |
| 13:46.00 | ircops | hehehe social engineering is a joke |
| 13:46.04 | whitehorse1 | darkness1: Nope, actually havent heard of it? |
| 13:46.23 | By-Tor | asg: Thats one for the ages ;) |
| 13:46.25 | paulswm | asg: At least my cardiologist has kept me on the sunny side of the grass. :) |
| 13:46.30 | asg | paulswm: that's good |
| 13:46.38 | darkness1 | ircops: Yep, unless you arn't computer minded? |
| 13:46.47 | asg | By-Tor: there have been some fun ones in sid over the years. |
| 13:46.57 | Ircownik | asg: 3.1 r0a sarge |
| 13:47.04 | darkness1 | ircop: Like schools for instance, there security is a joke. |
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| 13:47.13 | swatikiss | asg: what is "grml" though? |
| 13:47.13 | ircops | darkness1: that's the only type of mind I have, seemingly hehe |
| 13:47.37 | asg | swatikiss: the name of the guy who compiled it, the name of the machine on which it was compiled, grsecurity patches + wtf 'ml' is. |
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| 13:47.57 | nvz | whitehorse1: why do you keep comming in here spreading this B.S. ? |
| 13:48.14 | asg | Ircownik: sarge doesn't get updated packages, only security patches to existing packages. Have you got some testing or unstable in your sources? |
| 13:48.18 | whitehorse1 | darkness1 is a kevin mitnick wannabe?? doo-dah-de || nvz: I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about |
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| 13:48.50 | swatikiss | asg: heh, thanks |
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| 13:49.04 | nvz | whitehorse1: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ is where people learn to add his repo not where you get your information. there is no such hokus pokus required. |
| 13:49.07 | whitehorse1 | nvz: Ohh you're referring to different apt versions. I don't have time to explain it to you. Read the security update bulletins |
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| 13:49.45 | By-Tor | asg: I don't fear running sid, not as long as I have my trusty apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs |
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| 13:49.58 | darkness1 | whitehorse1: Nah, Dave Aitel actually :-P |
| 13:50.02 | Ircownik | asg:no, i dont thinks so. only stable ver |
| 13:50.25 | By-Tor | asg: Every night I do a apt-get -d -y dist-upgrade and I have another script that retrieves the bugs in mbox format and puts them in my mail folder ;) |
| 13:50.25 | toptommie | hi i still have a server running sarge when it was testing. Can I do a dist-upgrade so it will become sarge stable or will this break things? |
| 13:50.29 | asg | By-Tor: no, others, however, should thing long and hard before running it. |
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| 13:50.53 | asg | Ircownik: when you updated, what actually got updated? |
| 13:51.00 | By-Tor | asg: Oh, I don't recommend it for everyone, but Sid does rule. Best distro ever ;) |
| 13:51.10 | asg | toptommie: you can; it probably won't. |
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| 13:51.19 | darkness1 | Is sid stable? |
| 13:51.22 | asg | darkness1: hahahah |
| 13:51.24 | darkness1 | I thought not? |
| 13:51.41 | toptommie | asg, this is our primary server at our radiostation. So if things break I have a very serious problem |
| 13:51.46 | By-Tor | darkness1: Its stable for me, but only because I know how to fix things when they go gravely wrong. |
| 13:51.47 | Slaytanic | Sid is always unstable |
| 13:51.50 | asg | By-Tor: I prefer stable for all things but run sid since I am in a position to help the project. |
| 13:51.51 | resiak | darkness1: Please ,tell me you're joking. |
| 13:51.53 | Ircownik | asg: i updated today, lot of packages - 80mb |
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| 13:52.10 | asg | Ircownik: when was the last time you updated? |
| 13:52.21 | By-Tor | asg: I use Stable on my production servers, about 30 now. |
| 13:52.21 | toptommie | asg, so have you ever tested this? |
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| 13:52.27 | asg | By-Tor: same here. |
| 13:52.28 | darkness1 | resiak.Of course.Unless sarge isn't the latest stable.Then i shall hold my head in shame? |
| 13:52.29 | By-Tor | asg: But I use Sid on my desktops. |
| 13:52.44 | resiak | darkness1: Yes, Sarge is stable :) |
| 13:52.47 | nvz | my updates are all X related and only like 30mb |
| 13:52.50 | asg | toptommie: I have tested it. However, certain software configurations might have problems. |
| 13:52.59 | asg | toptommie: do apt-get -u dist-upgrade (see what is to be installed, removed, etc.) |
| 13:53.33 | toptommie | asg, very important is samba,ssh, unison, apache,mysql and rsync will one this fail after an upgrade? |
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| 13:53.50 | asg | Ircownik: also, paste your sources.list in a paster bot (/msg dpkg paster) |
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| 13:54.43 | asg | toptommie: I'd worry about mysql since early versions wanted to remove /var/lib/mysql if it was a symlink to some other place. Otherwise, you should be fine. Again, I can't guarantee anything but I haven't had issues with apache, ssh, and mysql. |
| 13:54.53 | takatumi | nvz: I needed to import the keys from nerim to get rid of the untrusted source message. (about a month back iirc) instructions were on his site as well. |
| 13:55.17 | asg | toptommie: if you are really worried, bring up an identical config on a test machine and try that first. |
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| 13:56.16 | toptommie | asg, our radiostation has a very small budget so i don't have any spare machine over there... I will try it at night then I have a few hours to fix it :P |
| 13:56.24 | caphuso | ITP: powersave -- backend for kpowersave and ITP: kpowersave -- frontend for powersave |
| 13:56.25 | asg | toptommie: good idea. |
| 13:56.34 | caphuso | now if that isn't descriptive, then i don't know what is |
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| 13:56.43 | asg | caphuso: :) |
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| 13:58.16 | nvz | takatumi: its a new security feature apperently and doesnt apply to stable. |
| 13:58.36 | nvz | my testing box is having what seems to be hardware problems so I seen no such thing |
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| 13:59.52 | takatumi | nvz: it depends on your apt version. |
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| 14:00.49 | Danar | usb devices appear in /dev/sda right? |
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| 14:01.11 | keithalexander | can anyone recommend a tutorial for building/customising a livecd ? |
| 14:01.20 | Juanjo-ar | HI people! |
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| 14:01.46 | Juanjo-ar | I'd like some help installing an epson c63 printer at a debian sarge pc |
| 14:01.51 | asg | keithalexander: install bootcd, create a custom chroot, voila! |
| 14:01.56 | drac | Danar: usb mass-storage devices appear as one of /dev/sdXX |
| 14:02.52 | Danar | do you have to plug it in before you have /dev/sda? or will it appear after a device is plugged in? |
| 14:02.52 | Danar | drac: talking about an mp3 player actually |
| 14:02.52 | Danar | with a usb port |
| 14:02.53 | asg | keithalexander: also, www.debian-administration.org has two tutorials. |
| 14:02.53 | Juanjo-ar | yes, usb port |
| 14:02.58 | Juanjo-ar | my printer is usb port |
| 14:03.00 | Danar | cause i don't have /dev/sdXX... |
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| 14:03.09 | Danar | but i have usb ports |
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| 14:03.24 | drac | eh, fill XX with your info :> |
| 14:03.40 | Danar | drac: i mean, no sd(anything) |
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| 14:03.59 | Juanjo-ar | people, can anyone help? |
| 14:04.06 | ircops | !anyone |
| 14:04.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:04.06 | drac | well you need usb-storage, sd-mod and other modules loaded for kernel support |
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| 14:04.37 | keithalexander | thanks asg |
| 14:04.44 | Danar | drac: will installing those create the files in /dev? |
| 14:04.45 | thingfish | ircops: 7-Up is good, too. |
| 14:04.48 | Juanjo-ar | drac: are you talking to me-? |
| 14:04.54 | drac | Juanjo-ar: no |
| 14:04.59 | nvz | takatumi: well doesnt effect these two boxes. he may have been partially right this time, but he was in here confusing someone not using any such thing before. all I know is the news on http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ says no such thing and it works for me. |
| 14:05.00 | ircops | true... I'm at work, tho... no 7-up, sprite, or sierra mist |
| 14:05.00 | Juanjo-ar | drac: ho! |
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| 14:05.15 | fbi | ircops: do the dew |
| 14:05.18 | ircops | but VEGETABLE BROTH... magine that |
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| 14:05.25 | drac | Danar: it's a start, you need those at least. /msg dpkg usb-storage (or was that usb storage) |
| 14:05.31 | ircops | fbi: I am also doing the dew as we speak ;) |
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| 14:05.39 | thingfish | ircops: and just a little later, when you feel like you might be able to eat, try to eat some rather fatty meats (BBQ ribs are the best) - the fat has ingredients that help soothe the nerves. |
| 14:05.42 | Toastie_ | How can I get cron-based automatic updates only from a certain security APT repository? |
| 14:05.57 | nvz | takatumi: I am thinking about possibly upgrading more boxes so I may figure out what the deal is and make a proper factiod to the bullitin so I dont have to hear or say it again. |
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| 14:06.04 | ircops | thingfish: really? that's sweeeeet cuz I love meat hehehe |
| 14:06.09 | thingfish | ircops: it may sound counter-intuitive, but believe me, it works. |
| 14:06.14 | azeem | Toastie_: you could munge an apt.conf and call apt-get with -c your_apt_conf |
| 14:06.14 | Guerin | Toastie_: cron-apt; unwise. |
| 14:06.24 | Toastie_ | Guerin: unwise? |
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| 14:06.35 | ircops | cron-apt == windows update for linux |
| 14:06.36 | Guerin | Toastie_: any unattended updates are unwise. |
| 14:06.46 | Danar | drac: there's no usb-storage. there's: usbmgr usbmount usb-perms usbutils usbview |
| 14:07.15 | Guerin | Toastie_: it's not outside the real mof possibilities that a dd puts the wrong version of some critical package in the depends: or conflicts: line, and breaks things horribly. |
| 14:07.23 | drac | Danar: those are kernel modules, not commands. |
| 14:07.27 | Toastie_ | Guerin: ok |
| 14:07.28 | Guerin | ircops: how's the hangover? |
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| 14:07.39 | markuman | i´ve found some how tos how to make my own live cd. but are there any how tos how to make your own install cd? |
| 14:07.41 | Danar | oh |
| 14:07.42 | tarzeau | in 2 hours, 45 minutes, there'll be an emacs introduction by Ryan in #emacs, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ |
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| 14:07.44 | takatumi | nvz: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 14:07.49 | nvz | ircops: it installs Serious Problem packs |
| 14:07.52 | ircops | Guerin: getting better... actually i think I'm in purgatory between still drunk and hangover lol |
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| 14:08.04 | Guerin | ircops: hah. |
| 14:08.07 | nvz | ircops: http://harry.ulyssis.org/pics/xpsp2.jpg |
| 14:08.07 | paulswm | Toastie_: I agree with Guerin, always a good idea to watch updates and decide if you want them. For instance, aptitude, in the past, decided that half my system was "unused" and could be removed. |
| 14:08.13 | takatumi | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 14:08.20 | Toastie_ | paulswm: ok :) |
| 14:08.22 | Toastie_ | thanks guys. |
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| 14:08.36 | azeem | paulswm: that's not "upgrade" though |
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| 14:08.46 | ircops | nvz: hahaha... I know some people around here that love that program |
| 14:08.47 | asg | markuman: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 14:08.53 | paulswm | aptitude gets a bit over entusiastic sometimes. |
| 14:08.57 | azeem | yeah |
| 14:09.00 | markuman | asg: thx |
| 14:09.04 | Ircownik | asg: upgrade about month ago. dpkg -l wanna see? |
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| 14:09.17 | ircops | nvz: and I have to do technical support every time they start it up... I had to delete the "Serious Problems" from the Run key in the registry.... |
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| 14:09.21 | asg | Ircownik: just paste your sources in paster (/msg dpkg paster) |
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| 14:09.33 | nvz | takatumi: apt secure is what I was thinking of |
| 14:09.35 | paulswm | azeem: actually, it happened twice on dist-upgrades |
| 14:09.40 | Danar | usb should be vfat? |
| 14:10.05 | asg | Danar: usually unless you created another filesystem type on it. |
| 14:10.09 | gnrfan | hi everyone for anyone who speaks spanish DD Anibal Monsalve is giving an irc talk on "pBuilder" the tool to build debian packages in a chroot environment in channel #debian-peru |
| 14:10.10 | paulswm | azeem: Anyway the point was an example of why unattended automated system changes are unwise |
| 14:10.12 | Danar | k |
| 14:10.15 | Nurbs_ | Danar: doesn't matter |
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| 14:10.27 | Danar | Nurbs_: for /etc/fstab |
| 14:10.31 | Guerin | Danar: depends where you want to use it. Should be a non-journalling filesystem |
| 14:10.59 | Nurbs_ | Danar: you could use "auto", too, but most usb devices are formatted with vfat, yeah. |
| 14:11.02 | Guerin | Danar: if you'll only be using it with machines which can read real filesystems, use a real filesystem. i recommend ext2. |
| 14:11.08 | Danar | dpkg says put a line 'like': /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0 |
| 14:11.09 | Nurbs_ | Guerin: why? |
| 14:11.13 | Danar | auto sounds good |
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| 14:11.35 | Guerin | Nurbs_: solid-state media's lifetime is write-limited |
| 14:11.42 | pink1 | I'm trying to mount my floppy o my laptop running sarge. dmesg tells meit's fd0, but fd0 is not recognised as a valid device by mount - Help please |
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| 14:11.43 | Guerin | if you get my marketingspeak |
| 14:11.46 | Danar | change vfat to auto and it'll detect it right? |
| 14:11.51 | albertino_ | hello again, what package should i install to have the graphic interface? |
| 14:11.53 | Guerin | Danar: suck and see. |
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| 14:12.08 | Nurbs_ | Guerin: ah. well, I was thinking USB sticks and such, too. |
| 14:12.09 | Guerin | albertino_: x-window-system and your windowmanager of choice |
| 14:12.10 | Danar | 'suck'? |
| 14:12.18 | Guerin | Nurbs_: that's what I'm talking about. |
| 14:12.20 | Nurbs_ | Guerin: eh, USB disks |
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| 14:12.28 | Guerin | Danar: try |
| 14:12.33 | Guerin | Nurbs_: oh, fair. |
| 14:12.44 | fbi | pink1: did you try /dev/fd0 or just fd0 ? |
| 14:12.44 | Nurbs_ | <= confused person ;) |
| 14:12.50 | Danar | well, can't right now. i'll be doing it tomorrow. just wanted to make sure it was set up for it in advance |
| 14:12.53 | albertino_ | <Guerin>where can i find it? |
| 14:12.54 | nvz | its also way past breakfast time |
| 14:13.01 | ircops | !tell albertino_ -about xfree |
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| 14:13.05 | Danar | but auto should be fine right? |
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| 14:13.18 | Guerin | albertino_: which windowmanager do you want to use? If you don't know, look at xwinman.org |
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| 14:13.35 | joaquin_ | alguien habla español) |
| 14:13.38 | asg | !es |
| 14:13.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:13.42 | pink1 | Danar thanks |
| 14:13.50 | Danar | pink1: ? for what? |
| 14:13.55 | toptommie | asg, have you ever tried uml on a debian box? |
| 14:14.12 | asg | toptommie: I currently run 10 uml instances on a single HS20 Blade server for our developers. |
| 14:14.31 | toptommie | asg, nice :-) |
| 14:14.55 | asg | toptommie: it's handy, that's for sure. |
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| 14:15.34 | ircops | damn I shot a bird at my brother last night and he damn near broke my finger lol... 'k,' 'i,' and ',' are going a little bit slow today |
| 14:15.41 | pink1 | Danar: I got the floppy mounted - ta :-) |
| 14:16.01 | nvz | takatumi: anyhow the point I am making is that was confusing. he doesnt even see if the person is using that version of apt or getting such an error before confusing them with that. scrolling back the earlier issue was not such a case. was a malformed sources line |
| 14:16.02 | toptommie | asg, i want to use zimbra collab suite on debian. but there are only rpms and they need to much modification... so i am going to run a fedcore 4 under deb |
| 14:16.04 | doublehp | I am used with ALSA+oss emulation on via82cxxx since 5 years (2.4 and 2.6), but today I am stuck : I have an OPL3SA2 (ISA card) and an es1370 compatible card (PCI 32b); that es1370 is dual channel, and used to have two dsp under 2.4; is there a way using ALSA+2.6.12 to let some applications access some /dev/dsp<n> using OSS emulation, when other channel is manage by true ALSA ? |
| 14:16.05 | asg | ircops: don't forget '8' as well |
| 14:16.06 | Danar | pink1: i don't know what you're talking about... but glad you got your problem solved |
| 14:16.07 | albertino_ | actually i am on windows xp but made a partition for linux so i dont know which interface should i be installed |
| 14:16.13 | ircops | asg: true |
| 14:16.33 | Danar | pink1: but i had nothing to do with it... :/ |
| 14:16.34 | pink1 | Anyone able to help me connect 2 laptops - one running Sarge and the other XP |
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| 14:16.45 | asg | toptommie: I've only run deb-on-deb but fc should work too. Good idea if you have no other option. |
| 14:17.06 | asg | pink1: it depends on how you want to connect them and what they should do together. |
| 14:17.07 | pink1 | Danar - something you said prompted me correctly - that was enough :-) |
| 14:17.12 | takatumi | nvz: well, he did explain the name change as well, either way EOD. ;) |
| 14:17.16 | Danar | oh. k then. :) |
| 14:17.24 | pink1 | asg just for file exchanging |
| 14:17.25 | nvz | if I had seen evidence otherwise than a malformed source or reference to an official bullitin or one of those two factiods the last 3 times he brought the issue up I would not have said anything about it :P |
| 14:17.28 | penguin42 | doublehp: There seems to be an alsa major device number - I'm not sure what devices get it however |
| 14:17.45 | ircops | pink1: /msg dpkg samba |
| 14:17.56 | nvz | I've just seen the same person adressing the same non-issue too many times |
| 14:17.58 | penguin42 | doublehp: Ah, the stuff in /dev/snd |
| 14:18.03 | asg | pink1: well, you could run samba on the debian box. Or, if you are only working from the Debian box, use smbfs to mount Windows shares to your Debian box. |
| 14:18.13 | asg | pink1: you could also just use ssh |
| 14:18.27 | toptommie | asg, if i nstall user-mode-linux package is it placing already a kernel somewhere... or what does this package install? |
| 14:18.27 | ircops | mmmmm ssh |
| 14:18.30 | doublehp | penguin42: OSS apps can not enter snd, they need dsp* |
| 14:18.49 | pink1 | asg ssh would be fine - how do I get the 2 laptops to talk to each other? |
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| 14:19.03 | asg | toptommie: it installs the kernel (dpkg -L <pkg> will show you where it is installed.) |
| 14:19.15 | penguin42 | doublehp: Nod, on my machine /dev/sound is one major and /dev/snd/... is another, so I'm wondering if you just tell the OSS stuff to use /dev/audio and the Alsa stuff to use whatever is in /dev/snd/? |
| 14:19.20 | doublehp | penguin42: when using some 2.2 (5 years ago), that es1370 used to provide dsp0 + dsp1 .... what is what i want again .... |
| 14:19.40 | asg | pink1: plug them both into a switch/hub, use a crossover cable, use null modem cable (there are a number of ways.) |
| 14:19.55 | doublehp | penguin42: when using ALSA, dsp* are now simlinkks to snd/something else |
| 14:19.57 | Ircownik | asg: i paste dpkg packages - (/msg dpkg paster 'url') and now what? |
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| 14:20.15 | asg | Ircownik: tell us what the url to the paster bot is for your paste. |
| 14:20.30 | doublehp | penguin42: but still, I need that something-else to exists ... I need to activate oss emu for es1370, and cant find the right module |
| 14:20.31 | penguin42 | doublehp: not sure, what does your /proc/asound/devices show? |
| 14:20.35 | pink1 | asg it'll have to be a cable |
| 14:20.45 | Ircownik | asg: http://channels.debian.net/paste/769 |
| 14:20.57 | toptommie | asg, so there is no need to patch a kernel and make a kernel yourself? |
| 14:21.13 | xophEr | What could be the problem, I compiled a kernel (2.6.13.2) but it cant mount my local filesystems at boot? Ive got the filesystems as modules in the kernel config and initrd= binary.. |
| 14:21.30 | doublehp | penguin42: I have 3 playbacks ... and I know from XP that 2 are from PCI (es 1370), and one from the ISA card .... |
| 14:21.37 | pink1 | asg I have a selection but don;t know which one will work - so if I start plugging them in to see - how do I know when I have a connection? |
| 14:21.46 | asg | Ircownik: well, since sarge doesn't have gcc-4.0, you aren't using it. Paste your sources.list |
| 14:22.02 | asg | toptommie: not unless you want the skas patch on the host (better performance but not necessary) |
| 14:22.23 | asg | pink1: ethernet cables, null modem cables. Which do you have? |
| 14:22.34 | penguin42 | doublehp: so do you can get to them via your /dev/snd/? entries? |
| 14:22.38 | pink1 | serial cables |
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| 14:23.10 | penguin42 | doublehp: What does /proc/asound/oss/devices say? |
| 14:23.14 | doublehp | penguin42: pastbin ? or #flood ? |
| 14:23.22 | asg | pink1: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Serial-Laplink-HOWTO.html (should get you started) |
| 14:23.41 | penguin42 | doublehp: I haven't used either before - so if pastbin is a url thing I'll take that |
| 14:23.58 | ircops | I know you guys like it when I log everything I do to the channel hehehe... dunno why I do that |
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| 14:24.12 | penguin42 | hmm somehow this seems relevant: http://www3.tky.3web.ne.jp/~edjacob/vending.html |
| 14:24.17 | pink1 | asg ta :-) |
| 14:24.21 | asg | pink1: you're welcome |
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| 14:24.23 | toptommie | asg, and how do you prepare eg the fedoracore4 root system? Install it temporary on another box or something? |
| 14:24.25 | mernil | greetings fellow friends of free and open software |
| 14:24.32 | pink1 | asg have another beer on me |
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| 14:25.12 | asg | toptommie: the user mode linux site probably has usuable FC images for use, check there first. |
| 14:25.30 | toptommie | asg, you didn't make your own? |
| 14:25.37 | doublehp | pe |
| 14:25.48 | asg | toptommie: I use deb on deb. I just built a loopback mounted image with debootstrap. |
| 14:25.50 | doublehp | penguin42: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/teFViC33.html why doesnt udev create simlinks ? |
| 14:26.28 | toptommie | asg, thanks for the info ... going to check the uml site |
| 14:26.31 | penguin42 | doublehp: Don't even ask me to understand the madness of udev..... |
| 14:26.34 | asg | toptommie: you're welcome |
| 14:27.36 | penguin42 | doublehp: can you add /proc/asound/oss/devices to that paste? |
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| 14:28.31 | Ircownik | asg: source.list - http://channels.debian.net/paste/770 |
| 14:29.02 | asg | Ircownik: so, you're running etch, not sarge. |
| 14:29.22 | doublehp | penguin42: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/PfMGxp28.html |
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| 14:29.29 | Ircownik | asg: etch? |
| 14:29.34 | asg | Ircownik: testing |
| 14:29.45 | asg | Ircownik: what will become the next debian stable |
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| 14:30.08 | penguin42 | talking of which - is it my imagination or do the installers leave the sources.list pointing to 'stable' or 'testing' rather than woody/sarge etc - so that a machine might suddenly move versions under your feet when the next release happens |
| 14:30.21 | Ircownik | asg: ok, but what can i do to run my eth card? |
| 14:30.29 | Nonomero | does anyone know if it is possible to use variables in debconf "templates" files ? |
| 14:30.46 | penguin42 | doublehp: interesting: my /proc/asound/oss/devices contains two 'digital audio' lines |
| 14:30.46 | Ircownik | asg: before upgrade it was working |
| 14:30.55 | asg | Ircownik: well, you need to find out which updated package broke it and why. Check the bts first. |
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| 14:31.16 | asg | Ircownik: also, look for errors in dmesg and /var/log/syslog to see if there is something obvious. |
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| 14:32.58 | doublehp | penguin42: depends on hardware ... |
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| 14:33.02 | kps | how do i change it so that my machine gets IP with dhcp ? |
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| 14:33.11 | asg | Nonomero: you might ask on the debian-devel mailing list and perhaps #debian-tech on oftc.net |
| 14:33.11 | kps | previously it had a static ip |
| 14:33.15 | asg | kps: man 5 interfaces |
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| 14:33.19 | kps | apparently i should use pump |
| 14:33.37 | Nonomero | asg: hum... ok, i'll try that |
| 14:33.39 | Nonomero | thx |
| 14:34.05 | asg | Nonomero: dunno about the last one. It is supposed to be a place for DDs to get together without flaming each other. Might be worth a try though. |
| 14:34.13 | penguin42 | kps: There is also a dhcp-client - imho it works better than pump |
| 14:34.37 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 14:34.46 | tengulre | how to install gcc manual?? |
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| 14:34.54 | tengulre | like 'man select '? |
| 14:34.57 | Nonomero | asg: ? are you sure your last answer was for me ? |
| 14:35.05 | Ircownik | asg: dmsg -> shpchp:acpi_shpchprm: get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001 , pciehp: acpi_pciehprm: get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001 and acpi disabled beacouse old bios |
| 14:35.06 | Nonomero | oh |
| 14:35.06 | Nonomero | ok |
| 14:35.08 | Nonomero | sorry |
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| 14:35.21 | asg | Nonomero: yes |
| 14:35.31 | Nonomero | yeah, sorry, I read too quickly ! |
| 14:35.34 | asg | Ircownik: that has nothing to do with your ethernet card though |
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| 14:36.11 | kps | is there any program i can use to update the /etc/network/interfaces file (i don't mean a text editor) |
| 14:36.18 | resiak | kps: vim. |
| 14:36.19 | asg | kps: etherconf |
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| 14:37.00 | kps | resiak, vim is a text editor afaik ? |
| 14:37.06 | EmleyMoor | I've got a new DVD writer coming next week - triple standard - any worthwhile reading while I wait? |
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| 14:37.09 | resiak | tengulre: Might have been moved to non-free. apt-cache search gcc doc ? |
| 14:37.17 | resiak | kps: vim is a way of life. |
| 14:37.20 | Guerin | kps: and only barely even one of those. |
| 14:37.20 | penguin42 | EmleyMoor: Triple? |
| 14:37.28 | EmleyMoor | RAM, - and + |
| 14:37.37 | Ircownik | asg: i paste dpkg packages - (/msg dpkg paster 'url') and now what? /p |
| 14:37.39 | resiak | !start an editor war |
| 14:37.39 | dpkg | emacs doesn't deserve to be in linux |
| 14:37.41 | penguin42 | kps: The suggestion I guess is you just go and edit a config file or 3 |
| 14:37.42 | resiak | Guerin: ^^ |
| 14:37.44 | Guerin | haha |
| 14:37.50 | Guerin | dpkg: i agree. |
| 14:37.58 | Guerin | no kernel should contain an editor |
| 14:38.11 | kps | penguin42, ok there seems to be an example file, i can try to edit it by hand then |
| 14:38.12 | asg | when I first started using Linux, my hard disk wasn't big enough to have both X and emacs at the same time (that's why I always use vi) |
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| 14:38.46 | penguin42 | asg: Really? Even as a vi bigot I've never had that much of a space problem except perhaps on flash! |
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| 14:38.58 | Guerin | penguin42: you're not ancient like asg |
| 14:39.04 | ircops | wtf?!? there's a dildo in my ear!!! |
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| 14:39.07 | penguin42 | Guerin: Hey I'm pretty ancient |
| 14:39.09 | Guerin | ... |
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| 14:39.16 | resiak | Guerin: dpkg needs Eliza. Should I give unscramble( acddeellnoor ) the patch? ;) |
| 14:39.29 | Guerin | resiak: he'll never allow it. |
| 14:39.32 | ramah | I'm getting an error /dev/dsp is busy whenever I try to play anything with audio though kde sounds work.. anyone know what the problem might be? (i'm using an onboard ac97 audio driver) |
| 14:39.43 | doublehp | penguin42: works again ,.... but I still need 2 snd cards :( |
| 14:39.50 | penguin42 | ramah: Something else is probably using it - typically the KDE art demon |
| 14:39.54 | resiak | Guerin: I know :) |
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| 14:40.34 | ramah | art 'demon' ? |
| 14:40.40 | azeem | ircops: ? |
| 14:40.59 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... DVD-RAM sounds interesting, to say the least! |
| 14:41.03 | penguin42 | ramah: So part fo KDE handles all the kde sound and it keeps your sound device open a lot of the time I think |
| 14:41.04 | ircops | azeem: resiak put a dildo in my ear... |
| 14:41.11 | Guerin | no, qotd34 is <ircops> wtf?!? there's a dildo in my ear!!! |
| 14:41.17 | resiak | Guerin++ |
| 14:41.18 | penguin42 | EmleyMoor: I thought it was mostly a dead standard with +-/RW having won? |
| 14:41.21 | Guerin | !no, qotd34 is <ircops> wtf?!? there's a dildo in my ear!!! |
| 14:41.24 | doublehp | penguin42: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/zKrUT781.html did it ... from memory, the main ines are the two last ones ... |
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| 14:41.47 | ramah | thx |
| 14:42.05 | penguin42 | doublehp: Ah yes pcm-oss |
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| 14:42.26 | EmleyMoor | penguin42: Happen so - reading about DVD+RW now |
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| 14:42.34 | ircops | hehe |
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| 14:42.41 | EmleyMoor | (still, it was the cheapest available DL drive) |
| 14:42.41 | simplicity1 | hi |
| 14:42.47 | ircops | simplicity1: hello |
| 14:42.48 | swatikiss | i am trying to install a linux-image package but i have a broken package - i want to ignore the upgrading of udev at the moment - how can i do that? |
| 14:42.51 | doublehp | penguin42: but I wonder why that dual DSP card cant do hardware mixing beteween ALSA and DSP ... |
| 14:42.57 | azeem | sigh |
| 14:43.03 | Guerin | simplicity1: dpkg -i |
| 14:43.08 | Guerin | swatikiss: dpkg -i |
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| 14:43.27 | simplicity1 | i want to remove a package but there is an error, how can i force the package to be removed? |
| 14:43.30 | doublehp | penguin42: lets share social emulation, to solve ALSA-oss emulation :) |
| 14:43.38 | simplicity1 | it is not a dependency error, its a sed error |
| 14:43.43 | asg | penguin42: my first hard drive was 40M |
| 14:43.52 | swatikiss | Guerin, yes, but then do i have have to d/l the .deb first? |
| 14:44.24 | Guerin | swatikiss: obviously |
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| 14:44.38 | simplicity1 | 'sed: -e expression #1, char 34: invalid reference \1 on `s' command's RHS' |
| 14:44.41 | penguin42 | asg: Ah I never tried to run a full Linux install on something that small; my smallest was 20M; I think my smallest Linux install was a router on a 30MB but that was hacked to bits to make it fit |
| 14:44.47 | Guerin | actually, that's one niggle i had with dpkg ... can't dpkg -i a http or ftp url |
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| 14:44.55 | Guerin | rmpm could, so I just figured ... |
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| 14:45.01 | Guerin | rpm, even |
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| 14:45.28 | ircops | niggle... hehe cool |
| 14:45.28 | asg | penguin42: right, at the time I could have either X or emacs. That's why I never bothered with emacs. Even to this day, since I'm very comfortable with vi. :) |
| 14:45.30 | swatikiss | Guerin, yes, but where can i d/l the debs? |
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| 14:46.00 | Ircownik | asg: dmesg, i can enable acpi whit acpi=force. but where to add it? |
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| 14:46.12 | asg | Ircownik: to your bootloader's kernel line |
| 14:46.15 | Guerin | !pdo |
| 14:46.15 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 14:46.26 | asg | Ircownik: /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 14:46.57 | ircops | freakin' join/part flood still freakin' goin' on? |
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| 14:47.04 | ircops | freakin' freak man |
| 14:47.20 | asg | ircops: /help ignore |
| 14:47.20 | Guerin | !nospambot |
| 14:47.20 | dpkg | i guess nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
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| 14:47.32 | jhaig | Am I right in thinking that there is no longer a 'non-US' section in the apt sources? I ask because the man page of apt-proxy refers to such, and I'm just checking that it is just that it is out of date. |
| 14:47.39 | Guerin | jhaig: topic |
| 14:47.43 | asg | Guerin: cool, who wrote it? |
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| 14:48.02 | Guerin | asg: peterS |
| 14:48.05 | krassy1809 | How i can add more fonts in terminal program |
| 14:48.39 | asg | Guerin: ah, yes. His name figures prominently in the comments :) |
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| 14:48.56 | jhaig | Guerin: In /etc/apt/sources.list, I thought there was no longer a need to have a line referring to non-US. |
| 14:49.15 | azeem | jhaig: the /topic agrees with you |
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| 14:49.27 | Guerin | jhaig: that's what the topic says too! |
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| 14:49.35 | azeem | | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main |
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| 14:49.48 | Guerin | huzzah for the topic! |
| 14:49.51 | jhaig | Ah, sorry. I misunderstood your comment. |
| 14:50.10 | asg | Guerin: huzzah for the renfests that are about to begin in the U.S. in a month's time. |
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| 14:50.15 | krassy1809 | How i can add more fonts in terminal program ? |
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| 14:50.20 | Guerin | asg: eh? |
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| 14:50.29 | Guerin | krassy1809: depends on the terminal. |
| 14:50.37 | ircops | !repeat |
| 14:50.37 | asg | Guerin: Renaissance Festivals |
| 14:50.37 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:50.44 | Guerin | asg: oh ... |
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| 14:50.56 | asg | Guerin: where we drink ale and oggle the pretties |
| 14:51.14 | Guerin | asg: ale! |
| 14:51.16 | ircops | asg: please God not beer |
| 14:51.23 | ircops | NoOoOOOoOooO! |
| 14:51.23 | Guerin | ircops: no. Ale. |
| 14:51.28 | ircops | Guerin: that either |
| 14:51.31 | krassy1809 | x-terminal for use with KDE |
| 14:51.31 | vahvarh | Can anyone help with oracle10.2 installing on debian? |
| 14:51.53 | jhaig | So who should I email about the man page of apt-proxy being out of date? |
| 14:52.06 | azeem | jhaig: file a bug if none has been filed already |
| 14:52.10 | penguin42 | jhaig: check for a bug report and report a bug using report-bug |
| 14:52.12 | azeem | severity minor |
| 14:52.19 | jhaig | OK, thanks. |
| 14:52.26 | fbi | The program 'gDesklets' received an X Window System error. The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. |
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| 14:52.31 | ircops | krassy1809: "apt-cache search xfonts-" |
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| 14:52.39 | fbi | i'm getting this from _several_ apps now, not just gecko-engined browsers |
| 14:52.47 | fbi | any ideas why? |
| 14:52.47 | asg | ircops: it will help with your hangover. |
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| 14:52.53 | nvz | this is what ircops looked like last night http://harry.ulyssis.org/pics/drunk_pumpkin.jpg |
| 14:52.53 | ircops | geiko browsers? |
| 14:52.54 | Rhinoz | hello I get an error when I do an apt-get install php4-gd2 that says its the latest version but it depends on phpapi-20020918 I have checked the net but can't figure out what to install to get that dependency met |
| 14:53.04 | penguin42 | fbi: What colour depth are you in? |
| 14:53.07 | azeem | fbi: glibc-2.3.5's stricter malloc checking, perhaps |
| 14:53.09 | ircops | nvz: hehe I saw that last night... |
| 14:53.10 | fbi | this all started after the last two batches of security updates |
| 14:53.15 | asg | Rhinoz: you have mixed your sources |
| 14:53.15 | azeem | hrm |
| 14:53.39 | Quibus | how does one get the kernel source nowadays? |
| 14:53.43 | Quibus | or kernel headers? |
| 14:53.56 | resiak | Quibus: apt-cache search linux-source/linux-headers |
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| 14:54.01 | fbi | azeem: is there anything i can do about that? |
| 14:54.05 | Rhinoz | asg that sounds right is there any way to force something to get it to work |
| 14:54.22 | azeem | fbi: well, are you running testing at all? |
| 14:54.24 | Quibus | thanks |
| 14:54.28 | ircops | hehehe... if it don't fit, force it... s'what I always say |
| 14:54.32 | asg | Rhinoz: apt-get install -t <distro> <pkg> |
| 14:54.36 | linuxg0d | hmmm |
| 14:54.39 | fbi | azeem: strictly sarge, my friend. |
| 14:54.39 | krassy1809 | and then |
| 14:54.47 | resiak | AND THEN! |
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| 14:54.51 | ircops | NO AND THEN! |
| 14:54.55 | azeem | fbi: so my comment does not apply, sarge has an older glibc |
| 14:55.14 | nvz | AND THEN... |
| 14:55.24 | fbi | well, i _never_ had any issues with anything crashing until the x-window updates like a week ago, but that only seemed to affect my browsers |
| 14:55.30 | krassy1809 | and then what ? |
| 14:55.35 | ircops | krassy1809: install them... if you don't know how see 'man apt-get' |
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| 14:55.48 | fbi | and the updates from a couple of days are making more apps crash |
| 14:55.49 | SuperNinjaKitty | is it good bad or niether to have more than one deb-repositories? |
| 14:56.17 | nvz | krassy1809: you apperently don't understand that which you have started |
| 14:56.19 | fbi | i'm going to strace gdesklets |
| 14:56.21 | ircops | SuperNinjaKitty: depends on the repositories |
| 14:56.37 | asg | Rhinoz: you are much better off fully upgrading though, things will only get worse. |
| 14:56.56 | ircops | SuperNinjaKitty: one official repository should do fine, and maybe marillat for things that aren't in official. |
| 14:57.33 | SuperNinjaKitty | ircops i must have added marillat wrong, it wont work |
| 14:57.34 | ircops | hehehe |
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| 14:57.50 | resiak | SuperNinjaKitty: You must now use sarge/etch/sid rather than stable/testing/unstable. |
| 14:57.51 | ircops | !marillat |
| 14:57.51 | dpkg | marillat is probably an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
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| 14:58.11 | asg | resiak: oh, haven't heard a reference to DOT in a long time. |
| 14:58.23 | ircops | department of transportation |
| 14:58.25 | resiak | asg: And then what? |
| 14:58.34 | asg | ;) |
| 14:58.44 | asg | !lart ircops |
| 14:58.54 | ircops | resiak: DUDE! But what does MINE say?! |
| 14:59.18 | Marcum18D | Sweet |
| 14:59.21 | krassy1809 | i have installed xfonts-konsole , but these fonts is not in settings-fonts-custom menu in x-konsole |
| 14:59.21 | Marcum18D | What's mine say. |
| 14:59.31 | stew | time to finally dist-upgrade my etch installs to get xorg |
| 14:59.39 | asg | !bless stew |
| 14:59.39 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child stew, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 14:59.44 | stew | i've been putting it off becuase i couldn't afford downtime |
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| 14:59.54 | nvz | dpkg, marillat =~ s#.fr/#.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key># |
| 14:59.54 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
| 15:01.04 | krassy1809 | Why i can`t add allredy instaled fonts in x-konsole |
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| 15:01.29 | asg | krassy1809: consult #debian-kde |
| 15:01.42 | Quibus | great: |
| 15:01.56 | Quibus | > du -khs linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 15:01.56 | Quibus | 230M linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 15:02.10 | asg | teh bloat |
| 15:02.21 | ircops | yeesh |
| 15:02.33 | stew | isn't -kh redundant? |
| 15:02.34 | azeem | <mdz> l-r-m is larger than the kernel itself |
| 15:02.46 | Quibus | stew: possibly, it's a habit |
| 15:02.51 | nvz | I am also leaning toward changing or removing that long Czech url any comments on that? |
| 15:03.03 | asg | nvz: is it useful still? |
| 15:03.27 | Guerin | redundancy is good |
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| 15:03.45 | nvz | asg: yeah, but why we need a long mirror url from .cz in there when it represents a very small number of users who come here and the other url contains the mirrors |
| 15:03.50 | Ircownik | asg: i add acpi=force to menu.lst to default option list part and after reboot no change. any idea? |
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| 15:04.13 | Guerin | nvz: but what if the mirror which has the mirrors is unavailable? |
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| 15:04.23 | nvz | Guerin: heh, ok. |
| 15:04.38 | SuperNinjaKitty | ircops thanks, that got marillat working |
| 15:04.42 | stew | Ircownik: "default option list part" == ##kopt= ? |
| 15:04.45 | nvz | redundancy is good then I guess :P |
| 15:04.54 | nazgul | after upgrading xfree86->Xorg gdm does not come up any more. all I see is ugly grey X default screen. known problem? |
| 15:04.58 | nazgul | debian testing |
| 15:04.59 | Mariele | sorry |
| 15:05.03 | asg | Ircownik: cat /proc/cmdline (does it show that you actually have acpi=force) |
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| 15:05.41 | nvz | Mariele: around here we just say *plonk* uses less words/chars and means the same thing |
| 15:05.45 | stew | Ircownik: if you are talking about kopt, you need to run update-grub after editing it |
| 15:05.55 | Mariele | :) |
| 15:05.57 | Coweater | nazgul: try reinstalling gdm |
| 15:06.02 | nvz | dpkg, plonk |
| 15:06.02 | dpkg | hmm... plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. |
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| 15:06.27 | nazgul | Coweater, have already tried that. also tried reinstalling xorg. |
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| 15:06.49 | Guerin | nazgul: startx? |
| 15:06.59 | Guerin | nazgul: and what does your x log say? |
| 15:07.23 | Guerin | !plonk is also "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 15:07.23 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 15:07.26 | ircops | hahaha http://www.foxnews.com/photo_essay/photoessay_627_images/092305_rita2.jpg |
| 15:07.47 | nazgul | Guerin, startx boots me into Gnome after I created .xsession which executes gnome-session |
| 15:07.52 | sts | hello folks |
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| 15:08.07 | Guerin | nazgul: so it's just gdm. Check the BTS. |
| 15:08.17 | nvz | dpkg plonk =~ s/ Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine./. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine./ |
| 15:08.17 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
| 15:08.43 | nazgul | Guerin, probably the sessin management is broken |
| 15:08.58 | nvz | dpkg, plonk is =~ s/is/is also/ |
| 15:08.58 | dpkg | nvz: i didn't have anything called 'plonk is' to modify |
| 15:09.02 | sts | i'm trying to run sieve but i keep getting the following error in my mail logfile: |
| 15:09.06 | sts | Sep 24 17:06:00 hermes cyrus/master[11010]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/notifyd |
| 15:09.09 | sts | Sep 24 17:06:00 hermes cyrus/master[11043]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/timsieved |
| 15:09.12 | sts | Sep 24 17:06:00 hermes cyrus/notify[11010]: Fatal error: invalid option name on line 20 of configuration file |
| 15:09.15 | sts | Sep 24 17:06:00 hermes cyrus/master[12832]: process 11010 exited, status 75 |
| 15:09.17 | nvz | dpkg, plonk =~ s/is/is also/ |
| 15:09.18 | sts | any ideas? |
| 15:09.18 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
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| 15:09.19 | asg | ffs |
| 15:09.41 | asg | sts: check line 20 of the configuration file |
| 15:09.46 | Guerin | sts: i suggest you check line 20 |
| 15:09.46 | asg | sts: paste that error into google |
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| 15:09.52 | Guerin | and NOT PASTE |
| 15:10.01 | asg | sts: also, consult #cyrus |
| 15:10.11 | sts | asg: # this is recommended if using duplicate delivery suppression |
| 15:10.11 | nvz | sts: I have an idea, but luckily for you chanserv wont let me quiet you for not following the channels guidelines |
| 15:10.37 | krassy1809 | i have lots instaled fonts but can`t use them in x-terminal |
| 15:10.44 | asg | sts: then look earlier, you've probably got a runon string. |
| 15:10.48 | sts | nvz: comeon that where 4 lines i've pasted... |
| 15:11.18 | krassy1809 | i have lots instaled fonts but can`t use them in x-terminal.why ? |
| 15:11.18 | asg | sts: 4 lines gets you kicked; you pasted slowly so you weren't. However, that doesn't alter the fact that >3 lines pasted is verboten here |
| 15:11.20 | sts | asg: i didnt modify anything above line 20 |
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| 15:12.02 | sts | oh! sorry, didn't knew about the 3 line limit. won't happen again |
| 15:12.45 | sts | asg: whatsoever; the lines above line 20 came with the official cyrus21 stable package |
| 15:13.25 | beardy | sts: The (first) error is at line 20, fix it. |
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| 15:13.35 | asg | sts: well, I've never seen that error with the woody stable packages (can't say so for sarge). Check the bts perhaps (/msg dpkg bts) and /usr/share/doc/<pkg> to see if there is any mention. |
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| 15:13.47 | sts | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.48 | asg | beardy: it's a comment apparently |
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| 15:14.33 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 15:14.36 | beardy | Buy a new linecounter then.. |
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| 15:14.45 | tengulre | how to install gcc manual?? |
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| 15:14.53 | tengulre | I need help! |
| 15:14.58 | asg | tengulre: apt-cache search gcc doc |
| 15:15.02 | ircops | I believe you! |
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| 15:15.22 | sts | beardy: i even counted it on my own ;) |
| 15:15.36 | tengulre | asg, yes I installed gcc-doc! but I can't still use 'man select'! |
| 15:15.54 | tengulre | asg: is it need reboot? |
| 15:16.05 | beardy | tengulre: NO |
| 15:16.05 | ircops | reboot is for windows |
| 15:16.06 | azeem | tengulre: select sounds like a glibc thingy |
| 15:16.07 | asg | tengulre: install manpages-dev |
| 15:16.22 | ircops | uptime is for debian |
| 15:16.23 | ircops | heh |
| 15:16.32 | asg | tengulre: and no, rebooting is not a requirement unless you get a new kernel or need to install new hardware. |
| 15:16.59 | asg | tengulre: gcc-doc is the compiler docs, the c lib manpages are in manpages-dev |
| 15:17.15 | tengulre | asg: yes1 |
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| 15:17.23 | asg | tengulre: yes(1) rather |
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| 15:17.47 | tengulre | asg: s/yes1/yes!/ |
| 15:17.48 | tengulre | :) |
| 15:18.05 | asg | ircops: 11:17:14 up 397 days, 3:27, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
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| 15:18.18 | tengulre | asg: it's OK when I installed manpages-dev! thanks! |
| 15:18.20 | ircops | holy crap |
| 15:18.23 | asg | tengulre: you're welcome |
| 15:18.26 | ircops | nice |
| 15:18.34 | beardy | asg: What does it do? |
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| 15:18.44 | asg | beardy: our primary nameserver (running woody) |
| 15:18.45 | SeiTaN | hi |
| 15:18.58 | moyix | anyone know why "tail -f $logfile > output.txt" works, but "tail -f $logfile | grep $pattern > output.txt" never produces any output? |
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| 15:19.08 | asg | beardy: 11:18:53 up 397 days, 3:32, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 (secondary - also woody) |
| 15:19.31 | Guilo | Fievet.net - Vider une poubelle qui ne le veut pas |
| 15:19.31 | Guilo | ... à des trucs et des astuces, à Unix, à linux, et des liens utiles. ... puis dans |
| 15:19.31 | Guilo | le menu 'BatCmod' choisissez 'Forcer la corbeille à se vider'. Voilà. ... |
| 15:19.31 | Guilo | www.fievet.net/ modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=10 - 16k - En cache - Pages similaires |
| 15:19.31 | Guilo | Probleme d'effacement de fichier - XPerience-Fr (Communauté ... |
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| 15:19.36 | asg | !fr |
| 15:19.36 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:19.42 | ircops | moyix: because grep can't find a match |
| 15:19.58 | moyix | ircops: no, these are for patterns that definitely exist in the file |
| 15:19.59 | beardy | damn, did he write that fast? |
| 15:20.13 | hogmeat | how can i have my routing table adjusted during boot up? |
| 15:20.21 | asg | moyix: you are buffering data. |
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| 15:20.51 | moyix | asg: the file is still empty after a "sync" |
| 15:21.02 | moyix | asg: (and waiting half an hour) |
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| 15:21.32 | asg | moyix: try using '--line-buffered' with grep |
| 15:23.11 | moyix | asg: awesome :) works great. thanks |
| 15:23.16 | asg | moyix: you're welcome |
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| 15:23.44 | nvz | I wonder if I could start a program like a browser or messenger or something on here and intercept the traffic over here on my bridge to spy on myself since the nics are in promisc mode and the traffic is passing through |
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| 15:24.18 | nvz | trying to figure out the logistics of a simpler alternative to packet sniffing when on the same network |
| 15:24.31 | hogmeat | how can i view boot log error messages? |
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| 15:24.59 | hogmeat | some errors weren't recorded to /var/log/messages |
| 15:25.13 | ma3x | Why when I load my audio driver, the sound begins to scratch (about 3% of the max volume) although I have nothing playing. |
| 15:25.18 | moyix | hogmeat: /var/log/dmesg should have it |
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| 15:26.18 | Rhinoz | i am posting my problem in flood |
| 15:26.23 | nvz | ma3x: I would ignore that max volume and concern myself first with the other mixer controls. its remotely possible that another line like cd, line in, or mic is generating the static |
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| 15:27.03 | littleball | hello, i can use mgp321 to play mp3 songs but when i use "play" to play some wav file, the system said that "/dev/audio" is busy. how? |
| 15:27.05 | azeem | Rhinoz: rather use a paster instead and post the URL here, /msg dpkg paster |
| 15:27.50 | nvz | ma3x: other than that I have no other ideas with the information provided aside from checking cpu usage and such.. could be static from the system being overloaded in some way. usually sounds of such type are only heard when the volume on the speakers is high.. f.e. I can hear even mouse movement and hdd access through my speakers if its loud enough |
| 15:27.54 | ma3x | nvz, It's not another line, because even when I have nothing plugged in, the laptop speakers produce this sound too |
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| 15:28.13 | nvz | ma3x: that has nothing to do with it at all. you should try turning down the other channels |
| 15:28.21 | Rhinoz | http://pastebin.com/372859 |
| 15:28.26 | nvz | ma3x: you dont have to have anything plugged in to have a grounding or other problem |
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| 15:28.45 | ma3x | nvz, which channels for example? I did not understand your question |
| 15:29.03 | Rhinoz | my problem is getting everything updated so that I can get gd2 to work |
| 15:29.13 | nvz | ma3x: when troubleshooting you rule things out. turn them all down one at a time or all at once until it goes away. |
| 15:29.15 | ma3x | nvz, I have wireless, but I doubt it could be from that |
| 15:29.46 | nvz | ma3x: I would leave pcm and master up a little and turn everything else down to 0 and see if it still happens, then check the systems vitals |
| 15:30.21 | ma3x | nvz, It goes away only if I 'rmmod snd_ali5451'. I will try to turn down the other voluems now |
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| 15:31.26 | ma3x | nvz, I found it. It's from the PCM. I always had it at %80 which is fair. I have to diminish it to 50% not to hear it |
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| 15:31.43 | nvz | ma3x: well your pcm should not be doing that. |
| 15:31.44 | toptommie | asg, are you still here? |
| 15:31.48 | ma3x | nvz, but if I do that (put PCM to 50%) the sound is gonna be so low |
| 15:31.58 | nvz | ma3x: see if something is using the sound device node. |
| 15:32.06 | ma3x | nvz, The master does that too. |
| 15:32.28 | ma3x | nvz, How could I check that? |
| 15:32.32 | nvz | ma3x: this is uncommon and unacceptable. something software related may be the problem |
| 15:33.14 | nvz | ma3x: I have no idea. /dev/dsp is the OSS device which can be emulated with ALSA using emulation drivers.. I dont know alsa well enough to know what its device nodes are. |
| 15:33.25 | nvz | ma3x: you would use lsof or fuser if you knew the device node |
| 15:33.43 | hogmeat | my auth.log shows a bunch of ips trying to login randomly to my host.. any way to automatically block such attempts for ssh? |
| 15:33.44 | ma3x | what does a device node look like? /dev/dsp-1 ? |
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| 15:33.57 | markuman | what are you preffer for building deb packages? dh_make, pbuild or CDBS |
| 15:34.01 | nvz | ma3x: device nodes are the files in /dev/ yes |
| 15:34.02 | By-Tor | ma3x: I'm by all means no expert, but I've found that using OSS emulation with Alsa caused me nothing but probs. |
| 15:34.10 | airox | Is there some debian way of making a iptables script ? Like where to put a shell script with the commands ? |
| 15:34.23 | Ircownik | asg: i dont have line acpi=force(cat /proc/cmdline) . after add line to menu.lst i do update-grub or reboot and line is deleted from menu.lst |
| 15:34.26 | jhaig | I have just set up apt-proxy and done an "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" on a couple of clients. I am surprised to see that the cache directory on the server is empty. Is there some setting I need to change to make it cache? |
| 15:34.35 | azeem | airox: there was a thread on debian-devel some days ago about this, I think |
| 15:34.37 | ma3x | By-Tor, what do you suggest. If I remove alsa, will my sound continue to work? |
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| 15:34.50 | nvz | By-Tor: works fine for me. and he's not even indicated he's using it. just that he has static problems unless you have advice on how to troubleshoot the issue you are just further confusing the problem |
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| 15:35.03 | airox | Some file where I can place the iptables rules myself would be nice. |
| 15:35.17 | By-Tor | nvz: I'll shut up now then ;) |
| 15:35.31 | toptommie | should /dev/udba exists on a debian sid system? or is it created by uml? |
| 15:35.33 | ma3x | nvz, I am using alsa. Can I remove it and then un/load the snd_ali driver again? |
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| 15:35.49 | swatikiss | is there a nvidia-kernel-2.6.12 -k7 deb available somewhere - i can only find one for 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 -k7 kernels |
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| 15:36.01 | nvz | oh well. someone else want to take a whack at that one? I am not real alsa experienced myself, and I am leaving |
| 15:36.02 | ma3x | toptommie, normally this exists on freebsd |
| 15:36.03 | Rhinoz | http://pastebin.com/372859 can anyone point me in the right direction thanks |
| 15:36.15 | ma3x | ok nvz thanks |
| 15:37.27 | nvz | ma3x: I would recompile the problem and ask again. what we know so far is that you are using alsa with a laptop ali5451 ac97 codec and the pcm/master is generating a "static" at or above 50% include any other info you can muster up like kernel and debian version and try asking again. |
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| 15:38.42 | denn__ | hihi |
| 15:38.54 | ma3x | nvz, I don't know if I'm using alsa. I have alsaconf and alsactl installed, but not alsa-oss or any other. Does that mean I am using alsa? |
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| 15:39.17 | denn__ | i just installed debian and everything works good. I have a windows network through which I share a printer. How do i access it with debian? |
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| 15:39.26 | nvz | ma3x: snd_ali5451 is an alsa module. alsa is mostly kernel-space. has little to do with the user-space packages |
| 15:39.36 | Oliver-Beograd | Dose somebody know hot to start some scrip on boot but with root privilage ? |
| 15:40.22 | nvz | I am going out for some exercize and to get some fresh air. |
| 15:40.22 | thingfish | denn__: you use gnome, or kde? |
| 15:40.25 | ma3x | nvz, OK, now I want to remove alsa and try another way. Is there another way to enable sound? |
| 15:40.49 | mixmatch | in init.d with all the other boot scripts? |
| 15:40.58 | nvz | ma3x: first you would have to remove _all_ alsa modules from memory lsmod to see the loaded modules and remove all that say "snd" |
| 15:41.05 | denn__ | thingfish, gnome |
| 15:41.06 | nvz | ma3x: then load the correct oss driver |
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| 15:41.12 | littleball | hello, how can i know which program is using /dev/audio device? |
| 15:41.27 | nvz | littleball: lsof /dev/audio |
| 15:41.28 | dvs | lsof /dev/audio ? |
| 15:41.36 | littleball | thx.nvz |
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| 15:41.50 | ma3x | nvz, OK I got you. but How do I know what is the oss driver? |
| 15:41.56 | meredydd | What's the difference between lsof and fuser? |
| 15:42.00 | thingfish | denn__: ok, open a terminal, su to root, then do gnome-cups-manager and add a printer. Choose Windows/SMB printer when asked, give it the info it asks, voila. |
| 15:42.37 | thingfish | denn__: you might also need gs-esp (I did) so check to make sure you have it installed. |
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| 15:42.45 | ma3x | meredydd, me for eg. I don't know fuser and it's more complicated for me |
| 15:43.05 | denn__ | k lemme try this |
| 15:43.20 | littleball | nvz, when i play a file,(play 1.wav), the system always display "sox: Can't open output file '/dev/audio': Device or resource busy |
| 15:43.20 | littleball | " |
| 15:43.31 | nvz | ma3x: the OSS driver is soundcore, but you need the module for your card too. I am not sure which OSS module is for the ALI5451 I was looking on opensound.com and they dont seem to have a useful card database anymore. it lists that its supported doesnt seem to say which module |
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| 15:43.55 | nvz | littleball: who cares |
| 15:44.03 | nvz | littleball: what does lsof /dev/audio say? |
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| 15:44.27 | littleball | nvz, lsof has no output |
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| 15:44.40 | nvz | littleball: do you have alsa modules loaded? |
| 15:44.41 | ma3x | nvz, I had already loaded soundcore, and I did rmmod soundcore and also rmmod for all the other snd_modules. Were they all from alsa, even the soundcore? |
| 15:44.43 | dvs | littleball: Is the kernel audio driver loaded? |
| 15:45.03 | littleball | dvs, nvz. i can use mpg321 to play mp3 songs. |
| 15:45.07 | nvz | dvs: is there an echo in here :P |
| 15:45.16 | dvs | is there an echo in here? ;-) |
| 15:45.20 | nvz | littleball: again, who cares. do you have alsa drivers loaded? |
| 15:45.30 | littleball | i810_audio 27720 0 (autoclean) |
| 15:45.30 | littleball | ac97_codec 13640 0 (autoclean) [i810_audio] |
| 15:45.30 | littleball | soundcore 6404 2 (autoclean) [i810_audio] |
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| 15:45.38 | denn__ | thingfish, i got authentication failure |
| 15:45.41 | nvz | littleball: you should be writing to /dev/dsp not /dev/audio |
| 15:45.47 | nvz | littleball: thats OSS |
| 15:46.04 | dvs | littleball: Do you have snd_pcm_oss loaded? |
| 15:46.05 | littleball | why? how do i know it is OSS? |
| 15:46.14 | thingfish | denn__: ignore that, you can even close the authentication dialog that pops up. just fill in the info. |
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| 15:46.26 | littleball | no snd_pcm_oss loaded |
| 15:46.32 | thingfish | denn__: just fill in the info, I mean, in the main window dialog. |
| 15:46.32 | ttl_ | i just installed audacity and when i move my mouse pointer over the sample display window it turns into a big black square |
| 15:46.33 | nvz | littleball: you know its OSS because soundcore is oss |
| 15:46.41 | denn__ | thingfish, it doesnt open anything :( |
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| 15:46.53 | nvz | littleball: and snd_pcm_oss would conflict with your drivers and you should _NOT_ have it loaded |
| 15:46.55 | thingfish | denn__: what doesn't open anything? |
| 15:47.07 | ttl_ | i'm using sarge |
| 15:47.11 | littleball | nvz, let me try to using play -d /dev/dsp .. |
| 15:47.13 | nvz | littleball: dvs is hitting the bong and should pay attention apperntly |
| 15:47.18 | denn__ | thingfish, it opens a small dialog saying CUPS server could not be contactd |
| 15:47.24 | thingfish | ah |
| 15:47.39 | littleball | nvz, the result is the same "ox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy" |
| 15:47.48 | thingfish | sounds like you don't have much printing support installed, denn__. |
| 15:47.51 | nvz | littleball: what says lsof /dev/dsp? |
| 15:48.04 | dvs | nvz: He said nothing |
| 15:48.08 | littleball | artsd 5698 jboss 10w CHR 14,3 65660 /dev/dsp |
| 15:48.12 | denn__ | thingfish, i just did netinstall with desktop. that's about it |
| 15:48.13 | littleball | nvz |
| 15:48.19 | littleball | artsd is using |
| 15:48.21 | nvz | littleball: then you have to use an arts output plugin or kill artsd |
| 15:48.36 | thingfish | denn__: in terminal, do base-config and choose Print Server. |
| 15:48.40 | denn__ | thingfish, there's a printer on my windows pc that's being shared on the network |
| 15:48.45 | ma3x | nvz, What is regparm and no regparm? |
| 15:48.50 | littleball | if i kill artsd, does it mean mp3 cannot play anymore? |
| 15:48.55 | nvz | ma3x: I havent a clue |
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| 15:49.00 | ma3x | nvz, I am right now at http://www.opensound.com/download.cgi |
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| 15:49.26 | nvz | ma3x: oss is part of your kernel you dont need to dowload anything |
| 15:49.28 | thingfish | denn__: my setup exactly. |
| 15:50.01 | dvs | nvs: OSS ain't supported in 2.6 though |
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| 15:50.41 | nvz | ma3x: did you make _sure_ you unloded *ALL* snd drivers |
| 15:50.47 | swatikiss | is there a nvidia-kernel-2.6.12 deb available somewhere? |
| 15:50.48 | nvz | dvs: b.s. |
| 15:51.00 | nvz | dvs: take your lips off that bong |
| 15:51.10 | nvz | you are too high |
| 15:51.15 | dvs | nvz: It is in the 2.6 kernel but it isn't being updated. |
| 15:51.17 | ma3x | nvz, yes there are all unloaded, but what now? We seem to be out of options |
| 15:51.38 | nvz | dvs: who cares?! whats that got to do with clear heels? |
| 15:51.47 | ma3x | nvz, when all snd modules are unloaded, that scratchy sound is gone, and I feel much better |
| 15:51.51 | nvz | ma3x: try modprobe ali5451 |
| 15:51.56 | cheal | swatikiss: possibly, but finding a trustable one looks more long than compiling one |
| 15:52.12 | littleball | nvz, after killing artsd, everything works. why artsd is used? |
| 15:53.15 | swatikiss | cheal, you mean compiling my own .deb from the binary? |
| 15:53.21 | Eclipser | littleball, the question is, why is artsd even installed |
| 15:53.30 | ma3x | nvz, FATAL: Module ali5451 not found. |
| 15:53.56 | littleball | Eclipser, nvz, i try to cancel artsd. how to? should i remove the artsd from disk? |
| 15:54.02 | cheal | swatikiss: from...binary packages, yes. if you need info to do that, ask dpkg |
| 15:54.10 | nvz | littleball: arts is the Analog Real-Time Sound daemon and its used (like most sound daemons) to mix sounds at a software level. for example if you have a card that doesnt support hardware mixing and you are listening to that new Barbara Strisand record on mp3, then your application wants to play a sound to notify you that something happened. it cannot because the sound is in use. in this case the applications can all send their sounds to artsd |
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| 15:54.18 | nvz | ma3x: try the trident module then |
| 15:54.39 | Eclipser | jackd would be better, in my opinion :) |
| 15:54.50 | ma3x | nvz, I get the same noise |
| 15:54.59 | swatikiss | cheal, ok, what do i ask him? |
| 15:55.02 | asuffield | it's spelled "Barbra Streisand", geez |
| 15:55.11 | nvz | ma3x: well then its not subsystem specific, occurs on both OSS and ALSA |
| 15:55.12 | asuffield | and yes, only two 'a's in 'Barbra' |
| 15:55.17 | _abdala | /join #Debian-BR |
| 15:55.21 | cheal | swatikiss: /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 15:55.27 | littleball | nvz, it seems artsd provide concurrent usage of sound card. it is good feature. |
| 15:55.30 | nvz | asuffield: I hate her, I just said that cause I seen she has a new cd on tv the other day |
| 15:55.40 | nvz | asuffield: who cares how its spelled :P |
| 15:55.42 | asuffield | you could at least hate the right person |
| 15:55.46 | dvs | littleball: So does ALSA |
| 15:55.48 | nvz | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 15:55.55 | ma3x | nvz, should I boot to windows and see if it makes the same noise? |
| 15:56.15 | littleball | nvz, what plugin can be used with artsd to make play etc command work? |
| 15:56.18 | nvz | ma3x: if you want, but all that rules out is a hardware problem. be sure if you do to max out the volume |
| 15:56.46 | cjstone | hey there. how do i tell apt to keep a package? |
| 15:56.50 | nvz | littleball: I have no idea, its entirely possible play doesnt have an arts output plugin |
| 15:56.52 | dvs | cjstone: hold it |
| 15:56.58 | cjstone | i wanna do apt-get dist-upgrade, but it wants to delete some packages |
| 15:57.02 | cjstone | how do i? |
| 15:57.02 | ma3x | ok nvz if you are here in 10 minutes I will let you know the report |
| 15:57.02 | ma3x | thanks |
| 15:57.08 | cjstone | /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 15:57.08 | nvz | littleball: I am not a wizard when it comes to software mixing |
| 15:57.18 | ma3x | oh |
| 15:57.19 | littleball | nvz, thans |
| 15:57.20 | ma3x | ok then |
| 15:57.23 | ma3x | thanks nvz |
| 15:57.26 | cheal | !tell cjstone about hold |
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| 15:57.31 | ma3x | hey nvz |
| 15:57.37 | ma3x | if it's not subsystem |
| 15:57.42 | ma3x | then what is it? hardware? |
| 15:57.48 | Analyser | hi, how can i configure the tv-out output from my nvidia card? |
| 15:57.50 | ma3x | can it be defective sound card? |
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| 15:58.02 | cheal | cjstone: hum, perhaps this isn't the answer you're looking for, after all |
| 15:58.04 | ma3x | Analyser, there is a tool for that |
| 15:58.04 | wersh | how do i get kde 3.5 beta? |
| 15:58.11 | cheal | wersh: ask #kde |
| 15:58.16 | ma3x | Analyser, install nvtv |
| 15:58.33 | wersh | isnt there a package on debian for 3.5? |
| 15:58.42 | cheal | wersh: no |
| 15:58.43 | Analyser | ma3x: ok, thank you :) |
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| 15:58.46 | ma3x | wersh, I think it's 3.4 |
| 15:58.48 | wersh | ah, k. |
| 15:58.48 | ma3x | Analyser, np |
| 15:58.56 | nvz | ma3x: could still be software.. like the discussion going on with littleball. you may have a sound daemon that is going wonky and making static. or your kernel cpu usage could be at 100% and fucking stuff up. may be any kind of software issue including kernel bug. might also be that you have a hardware bug that is patched in windows and need be patched or worked around with module params in linux |
| 15:59.04 | cjstone | i don't want to keep an old version, but prevent a package from being removed |
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| 15:59.20 | cheal | cjstone: there's a reason APT wants to remove the package. perhaps if you tell us which one it is we can help you figure out |
| 15:59.26 | ma3x | nvz, ok thanks a lot again! |
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| 16:00.15 | cjstone | it is opera |
| 16:00.21 | cjstone | i installed it by hand some time ago |
| 16:00.26 | cjstone | like ages ago |
| 16:00.36 | nvz | I just had a friend call and tell me she has something to tell me, but cant tell me over the phone because she wants to see my face when I hear it. :P |
| 16:00.41 | cjstone | i did apt-get update / apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade serveral times |
| 16:00.43 | cjstone | no problem |
| 16:00.50 | cjstone | now it suggest opera for deletion |
| 16:01.01 | hogmeat | when my cpu boots, i get error messages about kernel modules already added, or some incompatible with my hardware. when i look at the /var/log/messages or /var/log/dmesg, these messages were not recorded. how can i log these boot error messages to log? |
| 16:01.31 | cheal | cjstone: there must be an explanation, but it's tough to help you with third-party package. try apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes dist-upgrade |
| 16:01.37 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 16:01.37 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 16:01.50 | takatumi | hogmeat: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 16:01.58 | hogmeat | takatumi, thanks |
| 16:02.07 | nvz | heh, thats a good factoid |
| 16:02.13 | cjstone | holding seams to work |
| 16:02.19 | nvz | anyhow. I am going out before I sit here all day saying it |
| 16:02.28 | Guerin | nvz: she's pregnant, and it's not yours, but she's going to tell you it is. |
| 16:02.28 | cjstone | i put it on hold and now it's not suggested for deleting anymore |
| 16:02.30 | cjstone | good one |
| 16:02.37 | nvz | Guerin: haha |
| 16:02.47 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 16:02.49 | nvz | that wouldnt even be funny |
| 16:03.18 | krassy1809 | Why i don`t have dpgk-reconfigure ? |
| 16:03.33 | cheal | cjstone: most likely APT won't do tha same with the rest of packages if you put it on hold though |
| 16:03.40 | cheal | krassy1809: are you root? |
| 16:03.43 | takatumi | krassy1809: dpkg not dpgk? |
| 16:03.43 | nvz | she's married and I've never slept with her.. so I don't think thats happening |
| 16:04.00 | tengulre | I instal a new usb device, a camera. os 's messages: usb 1-2 : new full speed USB device using address 4? what's mean? |
| 16:04.01 | nvz | if she's pregnant its definatly not mine |
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| 16:04.08 | takatumi | nvz: yeah right. |
| 16:04.10 | nvz | heh |
| 16:04.12 | krassy1809 | Why i don`t have dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 16:04.19 | tengulre | how to know which device to use? |
| 16:04.36 | cheal | krassy1809: $ ls -l /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:04.37 | dvs | tengulre: look at /var/log/messages (as root) |
| 16:04.48 | nvz | oh well I'll be back later, or maybe sooner than that :P |
| 16:04.56 | Analyser | im trying to use the nvtv to enable my tv out of my nvidia card, but when i execute it it returns: Fatal: No supported video card found. |
| 16:05.06 | Analyser | someone know what can i do? |
| 16:05.06 | cjstone | cheal: i don't see the problem?! |
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| 16:05.46 | cheal | cjstone: well, you'll probably keep outdated packages. hopefully these aren't important |
| 16:05.51 | denn__ | thingfish, it asks for Hostname, printer, user and password when i try to add new network printer |
| 16:05.52 | SupIAmMike | rc.local equivilant in debian? |
| 16:06.12 | cheal | !tell SupIAmMike about rc.local |
| 16:06.17 | denn__ | thingfish, by hostname they want the machine's ip? it's on router 192.168.0.100.. is that right? |
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| 16:06.24 | tengulre | dvs: Sep 24 21:24:45 debian kernel: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 4! |
| 16:06.30 | cjstone | well yeah, i'll do a fresh install sooner or later |
| 16:06.34 | tengulre | dvs: the last line! |
| 16:06.45 | Guerin | cheal: nvz: http://www.tui.co.nz/yeahrightintro.asp # refresh for a new one |
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| 16:08.05 | tengulre | anybody help me? |
| 16:08.10 | tengulre | SOS!! |
| 16:08.15 | m77 | tengulre, think i can |
| 16:08.23 | thingfish | denn__: no, just put in the first part of its name, like winbox out of winbox.workgroup |
| 16:08.28 | dvs | tengulre: Why is that a problem? |
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| 16:08.45 | thingfish | denn__: or the IP would work there too, I guess. |
| 16:08.58 | cheal | Guerin: do you think I'm particularly concerned by that? :) |
| 16:08.59 | dvs | tengulre: That has nothing to do what /dev entry the camera picks. |
| 16:09.07 | thingfish | I don't go through a router, just a simple hub. |
| 16:09.07 | m77 | tengulre, first your cam most have a switch like mem device/raw cam |
| 16:09.07 | Ircownik | asg: finaly i add acpi=force but still i dont see my eht thru ifconfig. dmesg send me message that APIC could not be enable now |
| 16:09.07 | tengulre | dvs: I want to use this camera! but I don't know which device to use! |
| 16:09.10 | Guerin | cheal: oh, it was takatumi |
| 16:09.12 | Guerin | my bad |
| 16:09.17 | Guerin | takatumi: see above |
| 16:09.18 | tengulre | /dev/video? |
| 16:09.22 | Coke | Hey all. dvdbackup just exists with "Mirror of DVD failed" even though I have libdvdcss installed. How the heck can I backup the DVD using tools available for Debian? |
| 16:09.26 | takatumi | Guerin: refreshed a few already. :) |
| 16:09.33 | dvs | tengulre: No, it will probably be a /dev/sd* device |
| 16:10.00 | tengulre | dvs: how to got the messages in /proc? |
| 16:10.13 | m77 | tengulre, is it a web camera, video camera or a digital camera? |
| 16:10.14 | SupIAmMike | you guys say that rc.local is a hack for lazy people? its a script file - editing a script file in linux is the definition of not lazy |
| 16:10.27 | Guerin | SupIAmMike: bullshit. |
| 16:10.28 | SupIAmMike | if we were lazy we would be using windows |
| 16:10.32 | SupIAmMike | its called smart |
| 16:10.48 | beardy | SupIAmMike: no |
| 16:10.49 | Guerin | SupIAmMike: no, windows is far more effort than debian. |
| 16:10.54 | SupIAmMike | ha |
| 16:11.01 | tengulre | m77: video camera! I think! |
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| 16:11.19 | SupIAmMike | debian is like 30 times harder than redhat which is harder than windows |
| 16:11.23 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 16:11.27 | SupIAmMike | far more effort |
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| 16:11.31 | beardy | SupIAmMike: Run Redhat then. |
| 16:11.36 | takatumi | SupIAmMike: install rcconf, you'll begin to see the sarcasm. |
| 16:11.36 | SupIAmMike | no redhat sucks |
| 16:11.45 | SupIAmMike | i do a yum update in redhat and then restart my computer and it wont boot |
| 16:11.48 | ptlis | Is there somewhere in Nautilous I can specify my preference of list view for all directorys I view. |
| 16:11.49 | m77 | tengulre, and the usb is for video stream or to get photos from the cam? |
| 16:11.55 | Guerin | i haven't had 1/10th of the problems on debian that I had on redhat, and using windows is like losing a limb. |
| 16:12.02 | Coke | Hm. vobcopy does not yield the same error as dvdbackup. is that a possible bug in dvdbackup? |
| 16:12.07 | Coke | they both use libdvdread3 |
| 16:12.09 | thegeekdom | I have an install question. I have an IBM laptop that is running slackware but I want to run the new ubuntu instead. The trick is that it has a boot floppy and an nick. There is not a CD rom on this unit. I do have the ubuntu cd here |
| 16:12.16 | beardy | SupIAmMike: How nice, now why are you here? |
| 16:12.33 | Guerin | thegeekdom: ask #ubuntu |
| 16:12.36 | caphuso | thegeekdom: this doesn't look like #ubuntu to me... |
| 16:12.39 | tengulre | m77: I got some messags in /proc/bus/usb/devices like Product: PC Camera |
| 16:12.48 | SupIAmMike | beardy - because i am trying debian |
| 16:12.50 | otroean | Hi. My Cfdisk says this. FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap |
| 16:12.50 | otroean | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.04 | thegeekdom | Oh, I did not know there was a #ubuntu. Thanks much. |
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| 16:13.20 | m77 | tengulre, tell me camera's brand/model |
| 16:13.28 | SupIAmMike | rcconf - that doesnt let me add my 855resolution script at boot |
| 16:13.31 | tengulre | m77: Manufacuturer: Z-Star Corp. |
| 16:13.43 | Guerin | SupIAmMike: update-rc.d does |
| 16:14.02 | Guerin | why do you need a script to set resolution, anyway? |
| 16:14.15 | Guerin | should all be configured with the x server |
| 16:14.22 | m77 | and the model? |
| 16:14.27 | m77 | tengulre, model? |
| 16:14.53 | tengulre | m77: I don't know how to got it? :( |
| 16:15.06 | kingsley__ | otroean: Have you searched google's web and usenet archives for the error message? |
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| 16:15.46 | tengulre | m77: ProdID=301b Rcv=1.00 |
| 16:15.55 | masterra_ | can anyone help me with sound in Gnome? my sound card is working fine.. writing to /dev/dsp works, but Gnome doesn't think so.. (gnome 2.12) |
| 16:16.02 | djp | is there a mod player installed by default (desktop install) under debian 3.1 sarge? |
| 16:16.15 | otroean | kingsley__, just tried google. benn searching all others sites remembered. but with google i found it... |
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| 16:16.31 | tengulre | g77: I use 'grep model /proc/bus/usb/devices', but I can't got anything! :( |
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| 16:16.39 | denn__ | thingfish, i'm getting this error: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds... |
| 16:16.47 | otroean | kingsley__, thnx. snyway. sorry for asking. to bad research... |
| 16:16.56 | m77 | tengulre, which kernel are you using? |
| 16:17.23 | tengulre | m77: 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 16:17.44 | thingfish | denn__: if you filled in the info correctly, it should work. also, did you install gs-esp? |
| 16:17.53 | denn__ | yeah i installed it |
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| 16:18.08 | tango_ | hi all, it seems my installation is convinced that my hw clock is in UTC mode, despite the rcS setting of the contrary |
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| 16:18.11 | SupIAmMike | ok i guess update-rc.d is not hard |
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| 16:18.21 | tango_ | so date returns a time which is two hours in advance |
| 16:18.26 | tango_ | any idea of what the problem might be? |
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| 16:18.37 | SupIAmMike | someone should make a better interface for it |
| 16:18.40 | SupIAmMike | but whatever |
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| 16:18.47 | tengulre | m77: do you have idea? |
| 16:19.01 | Skid | hi, I've an issue which where im trying to upgrade / install a package but it (apt) wants to remove e2fsprogs before it can install it or update, it says if i really want to do it, active APT::Force-LoopBreak option |
| 16:19.06 | Skid | where's this located please? |
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| 16:19.24 | Ircownik | i have problem with ethernet after upgrade. first it was problem with acpi=force. i add it to menu.lst but i dont see my eht still. now there is 'ACPI could not be enable'. anyone help? |
| 16:19.24 | the1_ts | masterra_, are you running esd ? |
| 16:19.25 | Zomb | Skid: you have a very old unstable installation, right? |
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| 16:19.31 | Skid | its testig |
| 16:19.32 | Skid | testing |
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| 16:19.48 | Skid | lemem see |
| 16:20.16 | Skid | Zomb, yeah correct :) |
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| 16:20.27 | tengulre | m77: are you here?:) |
| 16:20.32 | Zomb | Skid: upgrade apt first |
| 16:20.44 | Skid | ok, how can i soley do that? |
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| 16:20.52 | Zomb | Skid: ?? |
| 16:20.57 | Skid | as in just upgrade apt |
| 16:21.09 | Zomb | Skid: why t.f. do you use Unstable if you don't know how to do such basics? |
| 16:21.10 | Skid | as if i apt-get dist-upgrade, it tries to do a shed laod of packages |
| 16:21.12 | m77 | tengulre, it's a webcam i guess |
| 16:21.18 | magyar | need help installing themes on firefox |
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| 16:21.22 | Skid | I didn't put it to unstable :) |
| 16:21.28 | Skid | some other dope did heh |
| 16:21.31 | tengulre | m77: do you know vgrabbj app? |
| 16:21.42 | Zomb | Skid: ask that dude for support |
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| 16:22.05 | Skid | I would, but he's not around heh so that's why I thought here may offer some help with it |
| 16:22.05 | masterra_ | the1_ts: yes, though i could change that if it would make my sound work.. i'm not sure how to configure ESD.. |
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| 16:22.38 | the1_ts | masterra_, try running gstreamer-properties and setting there |
| 16:22.39 | m77 | tengulre, no, search for zc0302 |
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| 16:22.52 | m77 | tengulre, it should do the trick |
| 16:23.22 | masterra_ | the1_ts: i did find that, however.. if i put it on ESD in there, and hit test, i get "Failed to construct test pipieline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon' |
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| 16:23.54 | sartan | hi folks. how can i change/prevent a process from showing any command arguments in the process list? |
| 16:24.01 | masterra_ | the1_ts: if i put it on OSS, it claims it's working, but i hear no sound :D Also, part of the problem is possibly that i have two sound cards.. an onboard and a pci card.. and i want to use the pci (it's a soundblaster) |
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| 16:24.26 | SupIAmMike | !topic |
| 16:24.30 | SupIAmMike | \topic |
| 16:24.32 | sartan | I'm using expect to execute su -, (ie: /tmp/suwrap.exp ROOTPWD), and 'expect /tmp/suwrap.exp ROOTPWD' shows up in the command line. |
| 16:24.34 | streuner | Skid: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 16:24.44 | SupIAmMike | i thought there was a topic command |
| 16:24.50 | dvs | Supaplex: /topic |
| 16:24.57 | Skid | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 16:25.05 | cahoot | masterra_: if you don't plan to use the onboard you'll have less problems if you disable it in bios |
| 16:25.05 | SupIAmMike | TOPIC Not enough parameters |
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| 16:25.29 | tengulre | m77: trick? what's that? |
| 16:25.29 | Coke | Is there a way to successfully backup a DVD using Debian utilities? |
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| 16:25.38 | the1_ts | masterra_, try setting the device you want used in /etc/esound/esd.conf spawn options -d |
| 16:25.46 | Whitman | SupIAmMike, try /topic #debian |
| 16:25.49 | cahoot | masterra_: the pci is most probsbly /dev/dsp1 |
| 16:25.50 | dvs | Supaplex: /topic with a parameter tries to set the topic, which you cannot do |
| 16:25.54 | streuner | Skid: change everything in sources.list to 'sarge' |
| 16:26.03 | Skid | alright thanks |
| 16:26.03 | dvs | Supaplex: at least in XChat |
| 16:26.07 | masterra_ | cahoot: yeah, it is |
| 16:26.07 | doublehp | how to tell dhcpd (server) NOT TO LISTEN on a particular interface: it complains I did not write a section for eth0, but I do NOT WANT to do so ... how to ? |
| 16:26.13 | masterra_ | the1_ts: alright, let me take a look |
| 16:26.15 | lamp_ | does anyone know how i can speed up my boot speed a HOWTO or somthing |
| 16:26.19 | SupIAmMike | who picks the names of apt-get packages? |
| 16:26.21 | tengulre | anybody can help me!! I need help!!! |
| 16:26.27 | SupIAmMike | mozilla-firefox instead of firefox |
| 16:26.28 | doublehp | tengulre: no |
| 16:26.34 | tengulre | about USB camera!! |
| 16:26.51 | fbi | Coke: i use dvdbackup |
| 16:26.59 | masterra_ | the1_ts: how do i restart the esd deamon/ |
| 16:27.13 | dvs | tengulre: How can we help you if you don't know what type of camera we're dealing with (digital, web cam, DV...) |
| 16:27.19 | fbi | what do i do about udev needing a 2.6.12 kernel when upgrading from sarge to testing, i'm still on the sarge 2.6.8 kernel |
| 16:27.28 | m77 | tengulre, mmm ok, zc030* like zc0302 or zc0301 are the kernel drivers for z-star cameras... without them, your pc doesn't know how to work with them |
| 16:27.31 | the1_ts | masterra_, Desktop/preferences/sound |
| 16:27.41 | doublehp | fbi: apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 16:27.45 | streuner | fbi: heh? |
| 16:27.47 | stew | doublehp: you can write an empty subnet entry for the unused interface, like just subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 { } |
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| 16:28.03 | fbi | doublehp: i can't, apt won't let me until i resolve this issue |
| 16:28.11 | tengulre | m77: thank you! please detail! |
| 16:28.11 | m77 | tengulre, err, kernel modules not kernel drivers |
| 16:28.11 | masterra_ | the1_ts: i don't see a restart option there. Also, might be worth noting, that in the "Default sound card:" dropdown, there is nothing listed.. |
| 16:28.12 | streuner | fbi: what does the line about dpkg -l udev say? (dont flood) |
| 16:28.21 | doublehp | stew: that one is dhcped ... so that ... I cant foresee the network my provider will put me in ... |
| 16:28.21 | tengulre | m77: oh! |
| 16:28.45 | m77 | tengulre, so, before trying any app, you sould load the kernel module |
| 16:28.51 | doublehp | fbi: udev has never been a blocking issue |
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| 16:29.10 | fbi | doublehp: well i don't know what to tell you, i'm looking right at it. |
| 16:29.11 | tengulre | m77: can you entry my machine? I give you account! |
| 16:29.15 | doublehp | fbi: exept if you are too lame to configure devices manually |
| 16:29.21 | fbi | i have never had this happen when upgrading |
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| 16:29.30 | fbi | what the fuck does too lame have to do with anything? |
| 16:29.32 | fbi | jesus |
| 16:29.35 | the1_ts | masterra_, just kill esd and start in a terminal do you hear the beeps? |
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| 16:29.46 | beardy | tengulre: Don't do that. |
| 16:29.50 | doublehp | tengulre: if you give me a valid credit card, I do anything for you. |
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| 16:29.56 | m77 | tengulre, search for the module in google, and download it |
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| 16:30.03 | stew | fbi: /msg dpkg udev 2.6.12 |
| 16:30.05 | takatumi | fbi: try dwonloading and installing the .12 image with dpkg |
| 16:30.08 | fbi | thanks stew |
| 16:30.11 | m77 | tengulre, then i'll tell you how to load the modules |
| 16:30.24 | streuner | dpkg, udev 2.6.12 |
| 16:30.24 | dpkg | if you tried to upgrade udev and now get the message "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted.", you must install a 2.6.12 kernel before proceding. The recommended way to do this is to download a linux-image-2.6.12-1 .deb for your arch from packages.debian.org and installing it with dpkg -i |
| 16:30.30 | fbi | i'll try that takatumi |
| 16:30.33 | tengulre | m77: how to do? |
| 16:30.42 | Skid | streuner, thank you so much that's got it |
| 16:30.52 | masterra_ | the1_ts: no.. when i start in temrinal and supply -d /dev/dsp, i get ALSA lib pcm.c:2090:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp |
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| 16:31.00 | doublehp | how to tell dhcpd (server) NOT TO LISTEN on a particular interface: it complains I did not write a section for eth0, but I do NOT WANT to do so ... how to ? I cant set up a section since that eth0 gets IP using dhcp, and I cant foresee in which network my provider will put me ... |
| 16:31.15 | streuner | Skid: you're welcome. |
| 16:31.16 | sartan | put a subnet declaration for it, but make it empty inside, doublehp |
| 16:31.16 | the1_ts | masterra_, and with /dev/dsp1 ? |
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| 16:31.49 | doublehp | sartan: I cant write a subnet declaration when I dont know the IP range my provider will put me in .... |
| 16:31.53 | masterra_ | the1_ts: same thing |
| 16:32.04 | doublehp | sartan: and, I dont feel like upgrading that bit of conf every morning |
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| 16:32.13 | streuner | well, there is an easier way, apt-get remove udev? ;-) |
| 16:32.17 | kaengu | hi ... i want to know how to flush ip_conntrack ... do somebody have any idea? |
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| 16:32.20 | the1_ts | doublehp, have you tried putting the interface you want in /etc/default/dhcp in the interfaces line ? |
| 16:32.29 | doublehp | tengulre: I help you for free if you fix my dhcp |
| 16:32.44 | doublehp | the1_ts: y |
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| 16:33.13 | cahoot | masterra_: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 16:33.28 | masterra_ | the1_ts: might be worth noting that alsamixer (with -c 1 to switch to the SB card) shows the card and volume levels.. |
| 16:33.44 | Rogue` | hey, following a guide on how to setup multimedia keys, and it says: If you want these commands executed at system startup (you want it), add all those setkeycodes statements at the end of the file /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh <----does that mean before or after ": exit 0" ? |
| 16:33.48 | m77 | tengulre, how to search in google? |
| 16:33.52 | masterra_ | cahoot: yep |
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| 16:34.50 | cahoot | masterra_: if you cat anything to /dev/dsp|dsp1 - you hear noise? |
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| 16:35.22 | masterra_ | cahoot: yes, if i cat something to /dev/dsp i hear sound. also, if while catting something large into /dev/dsp, i fire up alsamixer, the volume controls work |
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| 16:35.58 | masterra_ | cahoot: master volume and pcm volume control the static i hear |
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| 16:36.15 | cahoot | masterra_: so basically sound works - but not in gnome? |
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| 16:36.50 | masterra_ | cahoot: yep, pretty much. |
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| 16:37.24 | fbi | no dice, i can't install the 2.6.12 kernel because initrd-tools (>= 0.1.78); however: |
| 16:37.31 | cahoot | masterra_: this being your inital statement? sorry jumped in in the middle |
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| 16:37.45 | cjstone | i am confused: What's the difference between kernel-image and linux-image ??? |
| 16:37.48 | fbi | there are still packages that haven't finished from the upgrade |
| 16:37.54 | dvs | cjstone: in name only |
| 16:37.56 | masterra_ | cahoot: the Sound Prefs dialog shows no sound cards.. and Gstreamer-properties play no sound no matter which output i select (ESD, OSS, ALSA) |
| 16:38.02 | dvs | cjstone: making room for hurd |
| 16:38.06 | masterra_ | cahoot: yes, that was my initial statement :) it's ok, i'm just glad to get help |
| 16:38.06 | cjstone | wierd |
| 16:38.10 | tengulre | m77: I m downloading the zc030x_new.tar.gz |
| 16:38.31 | cjstone | linux-image is the new name, and kernel-image the old one? |
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| 16:38.44 | dvs | cjstone: yup |
| 16:38.44 | SupIAmMike | i did apt-get install mozilla-firefox it has the wrong icon |
| 16:38.48 | SupIAmMike | any idea how to fix |
| 16:38.50 | kaengu | hi ... i want to know how to flush ip_conntrack ... can somebody help me? |
| 16:38.55 | masterra_ | cahoot: hey, all of the suddent using gstreamer-properties and setting it to OSS made it play sound.. not sure why.. though i'd still like to get ESD working |
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| 16:39.06 | cjstone | good. and once again, i learned something in this chat :D |
| 16:39.16 | denn__ | thingfish, i got it working. i tried every possible combination of settings and finally one worked :) |
| 16:39.29 | cjstone | why does apt-get dist-upgrade REMOVE licq ? |
| 16:39.40 | Flammifer | um, where could I tell my system I want gdm and not xdm at startup ? |
| 16:39.58 | cahoot | masterra_: esd being essential for you? |
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| 16:40.23 | streuner | cjstone: just ignore it and install it later |
| 16:40.24 | fbi | Flammifer: update-rc.d -f xdm remove && dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 16:40.29 | streuner | cjstone: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 16:40.30 | cjstone | mkay |
| 16:40.36 | masterra_ | cahoot: well, not really. I'd be happy with sound of any type, but.. sound still doesn't seem to be working in any gnome apps.. and my sound control on the panel still says there is no sound |
| 16:40.43 | denn__ | thingfish, thx for help |
| 16:40.46 | Flammifer | fbi : thanks, I'll try that :) |
| 16:40.48 | cjstone | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 |
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| 16:41.02 | masterra_ | cahoot: owe.. i think i got it working |
| 16:41.07 | masterra_ | cahoot: volume is a bit high though |
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| 16:41.09 | cjstone | should i upgrade that first? |
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| 16:41.34 | streuner | cjstone: no, finish the dist-upgrade process and run apt-get install licq then |
| 16:41.39 | masterra_ | cahoot: well, now i have ESD working as well, but STILL my volume control is broke.. let me try restarging gnome.. i'll bbl. Thanks for the help so far! |
| 16:41.43 | cjstone | OK. |
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| 16:45.17 | helpme | where can i find freerock gnome? |
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| 16:45.32 | tengulre | I have not file build in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/? |
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| 16:45.35 | Miesco | How do I find out what sound card I have? |
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| 16:45.52 | dvs | Miesco: lspci | grep audio |
| 16:46.12 | tengulre | I have not directory build in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/? |
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| 16:46.24 | airox | I am looking at some post at debian-firewall mailing list. Somebody uses this: /etc/init.d/iptables save active. Anybody knows which package delivers this functionality ? |
| 16:46.57 | tarzeau | ok the #emacs talk will start in a few minutes. join the fun, there will be life emacs session broadcast that you can watch using telnet(or netcat) |
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| 16:47.57 | Miesco | How do I get alsa to work? |
| 16:48.05 | dvs | Miesco: What kernel do you have? |
| 16:48.08 | streuner | Miesco: /msg dpkg alsa |
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| 16:51.17 | SupIAmMike | gnome-keybindings-properties - i set my mute, volume down, volume up but they dont work |
| 16:51.19 | SupIAmMike | any ideas? |
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| 16:54.05 | Fritol | hi |
| 16:54.52 | Fritol | plz,which installation i need for 64bit celeron? i thought it's ia64 but i have read it's for itanium :-\ |
| 16:55.11 | dvs | Fritol: amd64 |
| 16:55.34 | A-N | intel have 64bit Procesor ? |
| 16:55.35 | Fritol | dvs: thnx |
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| 16:55.47 | Fritol | A-N: yep |
| 16:55.49 | dvs | A-N: Two main ones in fact |
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| 16:57.01 | Fritol | dvs: http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/index_view_celeron_d.htm |
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| 16:57.03 | krassy1809 | Which program i should use to write sell script ? |
| 16:57.13 | Flammifer | emacs |
| 16:57.16 | dvs | vi |
| 16:57.24 | Flammifer | ! |
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| 16:58.19 | krassy1809 | emacs ? |
| 16:58.25 | serfurj | i'm using menuconfig to configure kernel-source-2.6, and it will only allow me to build most drivers as modules and not as built-in. any idea why? |
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| 16:59.04 | Flammifer | krassy1809, oh, just use anything, really :) whatever's convenient |
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| 16:59.17 | dvs | Flammifer: Hey! I use xemacs most of the time |
| 16:59.31 | resiak | krassy1809: Any text editor that you like. Look at vim, emacs, joe, nano, gedit, kedit, nedit ... |
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| 17:00.44 | ryanakca | While following this HOWTO http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Cyrus-IMAP-7.html I edited the sendmail.mc configuration file accordingly. The error and the config is available at http://channels.debian.net/paste/768 Any idea on what I did wrong? |
| 17:01.03 | Fritol | ....am I eyeless or there is not netinstall CD download for amd64? http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 17:01.17 | krassy1809 | How i can run shell script file ? |
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| 17:01.37 | dvs | Fritol: There's isn't an official one for sarge. |
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| 17:01.51 | Fritol | ok |
| 17:01.53 | ryanakca | command promt: sh sriptname |
| 17:01.53 | Fritol | thx |
| 17:01.54 | serfurj | will i mess up something if i edit the .config and set the driver to "y"? ie. is there a reason menuconfig is keeping me from building it into the kernel? |
| 17:02.13 | Flammifer | krass : you need to define it as executable. sh filename.sh works too :) |
| 17:02.48 | Fritol | dvs: and where can i download it plz? |
| 17:03.05 | JoshH | serfurj: what driver? |
| 17:03.08 | dvs | !amd64 |
| 17:03.08 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 17:03.28 | serfurj | JoshH: atiixp |
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| 17:03.48 | JoshH | usually menuconfig will only prevent you from saying Y to something if you said M to something it depends on |
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| 17:04.19 | ryanakca | The sendmail version I used was installed by APT, a program that has supercow powers |
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| 17:04.40 | afri | hola soy natalia k tal. |
| 17:04.42 | serfurj | JoshH: ok, i'll look for its dependencies. thanks |
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| 17:04.52 | JoshH | np |
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| 17:05.21 | afri | soy españolano te entiendo |
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| 17:05.32 | stew | !es |
| 17:05.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:08.04 | ryanakca | While following this HOWTO http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Cyrus-IMAP-7.html I edited the sendmail.mc configuration file accordingly. The error and the config is available at http://channels.debian.net/paste/768 Any idea on what I did wrong? |
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| 17:09.53 | doublehp | how to tell dhcpd (server) NOT TO LISTEN on a particular interface: it complains I did not write a section for eth0, but I do NOT WANT to do so ... how to ? I cant set up a section since that eth0 gets IP using dhcp, and I cant foresee in which network my provider will put me ... |
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| 17:11.57 | the1_ts | doublehp, have you checked the interfaces line in /etc/init.d/dhcp ? |
| 17:12.22 | doublehp | (18:32:43) doublehp: the1_ts: y |
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| 17:12.42 | the1_ts | doublehp, What happens if you run it by hand ? |
| 17:13.01 | chello | where do i get mplayer? |
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| 17:13.22 | doublehp | the1_ts: same pb |
| 17:13.37 | lunaphyte | doublehp: /etc/default/dhcp3-server |
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| 17:14.12 | RoundQube | chello: apt-get install mplayer? |
| 17:14.19 | JoshH | ryanakca: you have mailer('local') twice |
| 17:14.29 | Daedalus_ | tell chello about marillat |
| 17:14.32 | JoshH | delete the first one, under mailer definitions |
| 17:14.37 | Daedalus_ | !tell chello about marillat |
| 17:15.02 | chello | RoundQube whats the internet adress ,the one i place in apt/sources.list? |
| 17:15.25 | RoundQube | chello: search google for debian mirrors and you can place any of those in there |
| 17:15.35 | RoundQube | i normally use debian.org but it seems its slow today |
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| 17:15.38 | the1_ts | doublehp, what dhcpd are you running ? |
| 17:15.52 | RoundQube | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 17:15.55 | RoundQube | thats what i normally use |
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| 17:16.45 | ales | asg: forcefsck is not there :( |
| 17:17.09 | denn_ | hey all. anyone got any problems with openoffice and printing on debian? i can print on pretty much all apps but openoffice |
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| 17:17.49 | ales | i still get into "type ctrl-d or give root pass" e2fsck does not help |
| 17:18.02 | diclophis | how do i make a tar while exlcluding a certain directory? |
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| 17:19.19 | RoundQube | diclophis: --exclude=PATTERN |
| 17:19.23 | RoundQube | its in the tar man page |
| 17:19.24 | ales | it says recovering journal, clean, but then i reboot and have "ctrl-d" message again |
| 17:19.43 | mmiikkee12 | i was getting rid of gentoo and keeping debian but right before (thank god it was before) i formatted i realized the grub files were on the gentoo partition, so i reinstalled grub from debian. but now debian hangs on boot with kernel panic: attempted to kill init. any ideas? |
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| 17:20.25 | doublehp | the1_ts: at last it works, and default.d/dhcp helped a lot ... thx |
| 17:20.58 | ales | in dmesg i have parport0: FIFO is stuck |
| 17:21.01 | the1_ts | doublehp, glad to hear it. |
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| 17:21.59 | Daedalus_ | mmiikkee12: have yo utried using the grub command-line to locate the boot image? |
| 17:22.20 | mmiikkee12 | yes, it starts booting but stops with the init error |
| 17:22.36 | mmiikkee12 | finds the kernel fine |
| 17:22.55 | Daedalus_ | mmiikkee12: did you roll your own kernel? |
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| 17:23.05 | mmiikkee12 | no |
| 17:23.13 | mmiikkee12 | it used to boot |
| 17:23.23 | mmiikkee12 | right before i reinstalled grub |
| 17:23.37 | mmiikkee12 | it's 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 17:24.03 | Py | hello! |
| 17:24.10 | Daedalus_ | mmiikkee12, how were you booting before you reinstalled grub? |
| 17:24.11 | resiak | !! |
| 17:24.12 | Py | is there a kernel option to get the IDE channels on an add-on pci board named hde-hdh instead of hda-hdd (and thus rejecting the onboard ide stuff at hde-h) ? |
| 17:24.12 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 17:24.15 | resiak | :( |
| 17:24.29 | resiak | Py: No, but why would you need that? |
| 17:24.37 | resiak | s/No/Not as far as I know/ |
| 17:24.43 | mmiikkee12 | Daedalus_: what do you mean? |
| 17:25.08 | Daedalus_ | Py: my add-ons are named hde-hdh... it was automagic |
| 17:25.12 | Py | resiak: just because I want to add a pci ide controller to my box, but I also want to keep my onboard ide stuff at hda-hdd |
| 17:25.52 | denn_ | is anyone having problems printing with OpenOffice Writer? |
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| 17:26.01 | Py | Indeed I'm asking about this option because I know that someting like this does exist, I read something about that a long long time ago, but can't find out anymore where nor if it was a boot option or kernel compile option |
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| 17:26.11 | toad_ | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 17:26.13 | resiak | Py: You'll probably want to use LABEL=blah and stuff in /etc/fstab as a workaround. man fstab. Either that or try to control the order in which your kernel loads things. I don't know how to do that. |
| 17:26.13 | toad_ | is that bad? |
| 17:26.15 | Daedalus_ | mmiikkee12: what bootstrapped your system before you ran the grub installer? |
| 17:26.20 | ales | channel: if i boot and get message : give root pass for maintenance or ctrl-d, how do i recognize if i booted single user mode ??? |
| 17:26.23 | mmiikkee12 | grub |
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| 17:26.29 | toad_ | i'm dist-upgrading a testing system due to various strange bugs appearing |
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| 17:26.48 | Py | Daedalus_, I just tried, and I get the opposite behaviour: add-on is hda... |
| 17:26.52 | mmiikkee12 | menu.lst, etc. were on the gentoo partition though |
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| 17:27.09 | mmiikkee12 | so i had to reinstall because i was formatting that |
| 17:27.12 | toad_ | how do i determine what version it was if /etc/debian_version just says "testing/unstable" ? |
| 17:27.15 | Daedalus_ | ales: if you're in maintenance mode, then it should be single-user... otherwise it wouldn't be maintenance mode ;) |
| 17:27.16 | toad_ | i can't reinstall |
| 17:27.31 | NiteOne | I'm a Linux newb, and I'm confused about GNU. Is GNU just a group who helped design a majority of the Unix-like tools in Linux? |
| 17:27.41 | toad_ | but maybe i can switch it to stable if it's old enough to be pre-stable? |
| 17:27.46 | resiak | NiteOne: gnu.org, read. |
| 17:27.46 | ales | Daedalus_ but mount shows me i have mounted everything ... is ok ? |
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| 17:28.09 | Daedalus_ | ales: is it mounted read only? |
| 17:28.18 | ales | Daedalus_ rw |
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| 17:28.47 | Daedalus_ | ales: did you hit ctrl+d or did you give root? |
| 17:28.54 | ales | root |
| 17:29.06 | shingouz | toad_: check what your sources.list points to |
| 17:29.07 | Punko | hey could u tell me a GUI mixer for the soundcard ? |
| 17:29.17 | resiak | Punko: gnome-alsamixer! |
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| 17:29.25 | denn_ | anyone know how to fix openoffice printing problem? |
| 17:29.26 | Punko | another ? |
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| 17:29.51 | Punko | denn_ what for problem ? |
| 17:29.58 | toad_ | shingouz: "testing" |
| 17:30.02 | toad_ | and stable/updates |
| 17:30.15 | ales | Daedalus_: now i booted with appending single from grub, and its rw again :( |
| 17:30.22 | Daedalus_ | ales: hmm, well you can init 1 if you really want to make sure you're at single-user mode, and to fsck, you're going to want to remount ro. |
| 17:30.30 | toad_ | shingouz: is it highly inadvisable to force the upgrade? |
| 17:30.30 | shingouz | toad_: mixing stable and testing is not usually a very good idea afaik |
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| 17:30.50 | toad_ | shingouz: well that's just the stable security update |
| 17:30.51 | toad_ | s |
| 17:30.55 | toad_ | it's only got testing really |
| 17:31.09 | toad_ | it's possible that it's so old that i can safely upgrade it to stable |
| 17:31.10 | Daedalus_ | ales: single user mode doesn't mean that your drives are automagically read-only. It means that the facilities for multiple logins are disabled (among other things). |
| 17:31.12 | shingouz | toad_: you cannot have security updates off stable on a testing system |
| 17:31.13 | toad_ | how would i determine that? |
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| 17:31.20 | the1_ts | toad_: If you really want to do it you can just do this apt-get -o "APT::Force-Loopbreak=true" upgrade |
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| 17:32.20 | denn_ | punko, openoffice doesnt print for some reason, but test page prints out and all other programs print fine |
| 17:32.20 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 17:32.28 | shingouz | toad_: when was the last time you upgraded your system? |
| 17:32.32 | Daedalus_ | Py: probably something that's dictated by your BIOS, frankly. See if there's an option on the card BIOS or in the motherboard BIOS. |
| 17:32.32 | toad_ | the1_ts: well yeah, but do i want to? |
| 17:32.41 | toad_ | it's not only adminned by me... i'll ask ian |
| 17:32.42 | tengulre | How to open the APT::Force-LookBreak option? |
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| 17:32.45 | Punko | denn_ open it in a console without to send it in background |
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| 17:32.54 | Punko | and see what for err it writes |
| 17:33.05 | ales | Daedalus_ i edit grub entry : "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12... root=/dev/hda3 ro", append single ? or you mean append init 1 ? |
| 17:33.05 | NiteOne | Ah, I think I get it now. So GNU was originally a Unix-like OS, and now it's combined with Linux? =) |
| 17:33.15 | denn_ | punko, how do you open writer in console? |
| 17:33.28 | tengulre | How to open the APT::Force-LookBreak option? |
| 17:33.39 | resiak | NiteOne: Gnu was missing a kernel. Linux is a kernel. Go figure :) |
| 17:33.43 | Daedalus_ | ales: init 1 on the command line. But appending single to the grub line will do the same thing |
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| 17:33.51 | NiteOne | Hehe, cool |
| 17:33.51 | Punko | denn_ i mean open openoffice in the X console |
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| 17:34.04 | ales | Daedalus_: dont i have to save it somehow ? |
| 17:34.05 | Punko | ;) |
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| 17:34.14 | Punko | so tell me a GUI mixer pls :) |
| 17:34.16 | toad_ | apt is 0.5.24, adduser is 3.51, base-config is 2.15... |
| 17:34.20 | toad_ | does this tell me anything? |
| 17:34.21 | Punko | other than gnome-alsamixer |
| 17:34.23 | resiak | Punko: gnome-alsamixer! |
| 17:34.24 | resiak | Punko: gnome-alsamixer! |
| 17:34.26 | tengulre | How to open the APT::Force-LookBreak option? |
| 17:34.35 | toad_ | packages.debian.org ... |
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| 17:34.40 | toad_ | tengulre: why do you need it? |
| 17:34.42 | ales | Daedalus_: i edit, and then is only b for boot |
| 17:34.47 | toad_ | i think whoever said was talking to me.. |
| 17:34.47 | resiak | !tell Punko -about search |
| 17:35.01 | the1_ts | toad_: as long as you don't need fsck till you've managed to install it after. |
| 17:35.02 | Daedalus_ | ales: ok |
| 17:35.03 | tengulre | toad_: I can't use 'apt-get install kernel-tree-2.6.8'! |
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| 17:35.13 | Punko | resiak i said gnome-alsamixer doesnt works because i dont use alsa :) |
| 17:35.15 | hogmeat | i have two nic cards, i configured two route dest default (0.0.0.0) for each eth interface, but eth0 with metric 20. it's not receiving outside traffic on eth0. is there a way to configure both so that traffic is received on both eth? |
| 17:35.21 | toad_ | the1_ts: it's a remote host... UML probably |
| 17:35.31 | resiak | Punko: Well then you clearly suck. apt-cache search mixer ! |
| 17:35.34 | resiak | Punko: :) |
| 17:35.35 | tengulre | os give me some messages: like 'This installation run will....' |
| 17:35.39 | ales | Daedalus_ and then you recomend to give root or ctrl-d ? |
| 17:35.42 | Punko | :) |
| 17:35.46 | Daedalus_ | ales: root |
| 17:36.16 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 17:36.26 | toad_ | tengulre: why not? |
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| 17:37.00 | toad_ | okay, i have base-config 2.15. oldstable is 1.33.18. stable is 2.53. logically this means the system as a whole is testing from before sarge |
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| 17:37.04 | tengulre | toad_: could not early remove e2fsprogs!! |
| 17:37.05 | the1_ts | toad_: I've done it successfully once recently but I'd do a snapshot if your uml allows that? |
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| 17:37.33 | Daedalus_ | ales: why did you remount rw? |
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| 17:38.21 | ales | Daedalus_: just tried. was rw anyway |
| 17:38.30 | the1_ts | toad_: can you do apt-get install e2fsprogs ? |
| 17:38.41 | toad_ | the versions are likewise for debconf |
| 17:38.50 | toad_ | but SOME packages have been manually apt-get install'ed |
| 17:38.58 | ales | Daedalus_ now i did e2fsck, tried toremount ro, but it is still rw |
| 17:39.00 | toad_ | is it safe to upgrade pre-sarge testing to sarge? |
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| 17:39.07 | psychonate | I'm trying to set up printing with my network HP PSC 2500 series. I have installed hpijs and have installed/configured hpoj, but I don't know how to tell CUPS to use these. Can anyone lend me a hand? |
| 17:39.25 | ales | Daedalus_: they say it in "linux server hacks" |
| 17:40.23 | shingouz | toad_: it should be safe |
| 17:40.37 | toad_ | shingouz: it may have some later packages |
| 17:40.49 | toad_ | we have occasionally apt-get install'ed things |
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| 17:40.56 | Daedalus_ | ales: dunno then. try init 1 on the command line |
| 17:41.03 | toad_ | the base system is definitely old though, by the package version numbers |
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| 17:42.50 | Daedalus_ | ales: almost nothing requires a reboot in linux. The only times I've ever had to reboot is for a total kernel hang, or when my pcmcia slot gets into a retarded state. everything else can be done with scripts and utilities. |
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| 17:45.12 | denn_ | Punko, there was no errors :( |
| 17:45.19 | ales | Daedalus_ to find out if there is that problem on boot ;) which is there ;( |
| 17:45.27 | Punko | denn_ i cant help u sorry dude :/ |
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| 17:45.35 | DynaEmu | can you install debian in another language |
| 17:46.03 | DynaEmu | i dont know how to get the desktop language in french |
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| 17:48.20 | denn_ | if i wanted to update openoffice, how would i do it? apt-get gets only 1.1.3. There's 1.1.5 available |
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| 17:50.13 | nkuttler | DynaEmu: gnome or kde? |
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| 17:50.38 | swatikiss | i'm having problems building the nvidia-kernel .deb |
| 17:50.56 | nkuttler | swatikiss: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 17:52.26 | toad_ | DynaEmu: yes |
| 17:52.33 | toad_ | DynaEmu: you can choose it in the installer |
| 17:52.38 | DynaEmu | KDE |
| 17:52.38 | toad_ | or change the locale later |
| 17:52.41 | DynaEmu | ah |
| 17:52.53 | DynaEmu | so.. do I download the NONUS iso for CD1? |
| 17:52.55 | shingouz | DynaEmu: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:52.56 | nkuttler | DynaEmu: apt-cache search kde french, install the package |
| 17:52.57 | toad_ | KDE has its own locale settings in control panel i think |
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| 17:53.16 | toad_ | yeah you need the i18n package for fr |
| 17:53.23 | swatikiss | nkuttler, yes, well i was following the instructions.. but i am getting an error when i build the .deb |
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| 17:54.10 | nkuttler | swatikiss: what error? |
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| 17:54.58 | craig | Ok, need some human help, google can't help me 8) |
| 17:55.15 | swatikiss | nkuttler, pasted in #flood |
| 17:55.22 | craig | I got a ext2 filesystem on my debian box which for some reason has decided that /usr is not writeable, even by root |
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| 17:55.27 | craig | even tho the perms are correct |
| 17:55.37 | resiak | craig: Is it mounted ro ? |
| 17:55.38 | craig | it is not mounted read-only either |
| 17:55.42 | nkuttler | swatikiss: i wasn't there |
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| 17:56.00 | swatikiss | oh |
| 17:56.05 | craig | it's only those directory too |
| 17:56.11 | swatikiss | nkuttler, im trying the nvidia one-liner now.... |
| 17:56.13 | resiak | craig: ls -ld /usr |
| 17:56.30 | craigb | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 2048 May 9 05:09 /bin |
| 17:56.39 | resiak | ... that's not /usr |
| 17:56.51 | craigb | well, /bin has the same problem |
| 17:57.13 | resiak | `mount` and paste only the appropriate line. |
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| 17:57.36 | craigb | piracy:/home# touch /bin/foo |
| 17:57.36 | craigb | touch: cannot touch `/bin/foo': Permission denied |
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| 17:57.51 | craigb | resiak, so we can skip some of this, I've been adminning unix boxes for 10+ years |
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| 17:57.57 | resiak | `mount` and paste only the appropriate line. |
| 17:58.06 | craigb | /dev/hda1 on / type unknown (rw) |
| 17:58.08 | craigb | hehe |
| 17:58.11 | craigb | the unknown! |
| 17:58.14 | craigb | should be ext2 eh |
| 17:58.21 | resiak | So ... mount it with the correct type and see if that helps? |
| 17:58.26 | craigb | sometimes experience makes you stupid |
| 17:58.35 | resiak | Heh, I know the feeling. |
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| 17:59.52 | roby | where does apt-get write log? |
| 18:00.01 | nkuttler | roby: log? |
| 18:00.01 | craigb | res: the mount -t ext2 /dev/hda1 / -o remount |
| 18:00.06 | abrotman | no log |
| 18:00.07 | craigb | and still type is marked as unknown |
| 18:00.15 | nkuttler | roby: what do you want to know? |
| 18:00.32 | roby | nkuttler: there was an error during `apt-get upgrade`, i want to show u all, should i just copy paste into paste place? |
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| 18:00.57 | nkuttler | !tell roby about paster |
| 18:01.12 | sandman | An illegitimate child is a child born out of wedlock, yes? |
| 18:01.26 | sandman | Err,wrong spot |
| 18:01.27 | nkuttler | roby: what were you trying to do? security updates? |
| 18:01.28 | craigb | resiak, is there a way to ask the partition it's filesystem? |
| 18:01.34 | craigb | maybe I'm confused about what it really is |
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| 18:01.44 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 18:01.54 | abrotman | or whatever the device is |
| 18:02.22 | jpablo | craigb: if -t ext2 worked it must be ext2, well maybe it can be ext3. |
| 18:02.38 | roby | nkuttler: i don't know, i ran 'apt-get update', 'dselect update', 'apt-get upgrade' and the last one failed when trying to install the glmesa package |
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| 18:02.41 | craigb | yah |
| 18:03.17 | jpablo | craigb: isn't the partition damaged ? dmesg shows errors or something ? |
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| 18:04.30 | resiak | craigb: I don't know of one, no. Sorry. You might want to try mount -t auto, but _don't_ quote me on that :) |
| 18:04.33 | pandrew | Hello. I Tried to configure the CanosScan FB 620P scanner i have in linux(sane, debian). it works for a moment, but then it stops, and i get this in dmesg:"parport0: FIFO is stuck;parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio". Wath can I do? |
| 18:04.37 | resiak | abrotman: That works? |
| 18:04.42 | abrotman | what works ? |
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| 18:04.53 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/hda ? |
| 18:04.55 | Squall | ellow |
| 18:04.56 | resiak | abrotman: fdisk -l doesn't show the type... |
| 18:05.00 | roby | how do i scroll up in console? shift+pkup won't work anymore if i switch to another terminal and come back |
| 18:05.57 | Squall | can somebody please tell me how i can route a connection (telnet) to another machine and port? |
| 18:05.57 | abrotman | resiak: it says Linux |
| 18:05.57 | resiak | Squall: rinetd |
| 18:05.57 | resiak | abrotman: And that's not helpful :) |
| 18:05.58 | abrotman | or NTFS .. or whatever it is |
| 18:05.58 | nkuttler | roby: just apt-get install the package again |
| 18:05.58 | abrotman | sure it is .. afaik .. Linux is ext2 or ext3 |
| 18:05.58 | Squall | resiak rinted? |
| 18:05.58 | roby | nkuttler: k |
| 18:05.58 | Pfated | nkuttler: Won't it just say 'soandospackage is already the latest version'? |
| 18:05.58 | resiak | abrotman: (because it doesn't tell you if it's ext? or XFS or ... and it isn't set by what's actually on the partition anyway) |
| 18:05.58 | resiak | Squall: rinetd |
| 18:06.01 | Squall | resiak whats that? |
| 18:06.03 | abrotman | resiak: i think it tells you xfs/jfs/reiser differently |
| 18:06.07 | resiak | Squall: apt-cache show rinetd |
| 18:06.08 | nkuttler | Pfated: it's not installed correctly |
| 18:06.09 | resiak | abrotman: You lie |
| 18:06.14 | resiak | abrotman: /j #flood |
| 18:06.15 | abrotman | resiak: if you say so |
| 18:06.18 | Pfated | nkuttler: Oh, right. Sorry then. On you go. :) |
| 18:06.25 | abrotman | then use -t auto ? |
| 18:06.37 | Squall | resiak thx |
| 18:06.48 | resiak | abrotman: Already suggested it. |
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| 18:07.01 | resiak | abrotman: /dev/hda5 on / type xfs (rw) | /dev/hda5 62 1763 13671252 83 Linux |
| 18:07.04 | DynaEmu | ok so to install debian in another language, get NONUS cd1 iso? |
| 18:07.07 | Squall | E: Couldn't find package rinted |
| 18:07.11 | Squall | :/ |
| 18:07.11 | resiak | abrotman: /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw) /dev/hda1 * 1 61 489951 83 Linux |
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| 18:07.15 | resiak | Squall: rinetd |
| 18:07.15 | abrotman | resiak: ok .. i believed you 5 minutes ago :) |
| 18:07.20 | resiak | Squall: Learn to read :) |
| 18:07.24 | Squall | sorry |
| 18:07.35 | nkuttler | DynaEmu: install the kde i18n package for french... |
| 18:07.41 | nkuttler | DynaEmu: install from network |
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| 18:07.49 | pandrew | Hello. I Tried to configure the CanosScan FB 620P scanner i have in linux(sane, debian). it works for a moment, but then it stops, and i get this in dmesg:"parport0: FIFO is stuck;parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio". I also tried to use "force_nibble", but it didn't help. Wath can I do? |
| 18:08.20 | roby | OK, I have it here: http://channels.debian.net/paste/771 |
| 18:08.38 | roby | nkuttler: the error is here http://channels.debian.net/paste/771 |
| 18:09.09 | nkuttler | roby: hm, the error is pretty obvious, isn't it? |
| 18:09.09 | shingouz | DynaEmu: the non-us was only some cryptographic stuff, it had nothing to do with the language of the desktop. install the internationalization packages like nkuttler told you, then dpkg-reconfigure locale and you shoudl be set |
| 18:09.18 | nkuttler | roby: create the directory |
| 18:09.23 | Squall | i love you guys |
| 18:09.24 | Squall | bye |
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| 18:09.37 | nkuttler | roby: are you running stable? |
| 18:09.43 | roby | nkuttler: yah |
| 18:09.48 | nvz | ma3x: oh well, that sucks. seems it may be hardware related then. though its strange it only happens when the driver is loaded |
| 18:09.53 | nkuttler | roby: that's bad, report a bug |
| 18:10.17 | craigb | resiak: both -t ext2 and -t ext3 worked 8) |
| 18:10.17 | nvz | ma3x: _And_ only when the volume is at or above 50% on the pcm or whatever |
| 18:10.31 | craigb | oh, this box is such a wreck |
| 18:10.34 | resiak | craigb: Win. And that fixes the problem? |
| 18:10.37 | craigb | years and years of entropy |
| 18:10.53 | craigb | res: nope |
| 18:11.11 | resiak | craigb: Ack. :( |
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| 18:11.51 | DynaEmu | debian is 14 cds? |
| 18:12.03 | jpablo | craigb: when did the problem started? |
| 18:12.04 | ke6isf | DynaEmu: If you opt to download them, yeah. |
| 18:12.07 | nkuttler | DynaEmu: do you have an internet connection? |
| 18:12.08 | resiak | DynaEmu: 29 including source :) |
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| 18:12.16 | Lorvija | hey.. how do i make a bootdisk in case i mess up when trying to install new kernel? |
| 18:12.19 | ke6isf | DynaEmu: There's also netinstall, saves you about 28 CDs. |
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| 18:12.22 | nkuttler | !tell DynaEmu about netinst |
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| 18:12.34 | DynaEmu | well |
| 18:12.38 | DynaEmu | I tried netinstall |
| 18:12.38 | craigb | ok, tanx for try resiak |
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| 18:12.43 | DynaEmu | but when I get to the netinstall part |
| 18:12.47 | craigb | I'm gonna just nuke the box |
| 18:12.47 | DynaEmu | it says no connection found |
| 18:12.49 | resiak | craigb: Sorry I couldn't help otherwise. |
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| 18:12.53 | craigb | I just upgraded all my hardware |
| 18:12.53 | ke6isf | !tell DynaEmu -about enter |
| 18:12.59 | resiak | craigb: Have you fscked it? |
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| 18:13.02 | nkuttler | !tell DynaEmu about ig |
| 18:13.10 | craigb | so I might as well start over, this box has gone at least three versions of debian |
| 18:13.17 | craigb | like 5+ years |
| 18:13.28 | pandrew | Hello. I Tried to configure the CanosScan FB 620P scanner i have in linux(sane, debian). it works for a moment, but then it stops, and i get this in dmesg:"parport0: FIFO is stuck;parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio". I also tried to use "force_nibble", but it didn't help. Wath can I do? |
| 18:13.32 | craigb | yah, fscked it |
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| 18:13.40 | craigb | I think I messed up at some point tyring to move to ext3 and new kernels |
| 18:13.44 | ke6isf | !tell pandrew -about repeat |
| 18:13.58 | craigb | and left that filesystem in a ext3 state, but am booting a kernel that can't do ext3, so it's mounting it ext2 or something |
| 18:13.59 | alex_calibur | Hello - somebody french to help a newbee here ? (XFree86 bug, sarge) |
| 18:14.04 | ke6isf | !fr |
| 18:14.04 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 18:14.05 | craigb | thanx |
| 18:14.52 | ke6isf | DynaEmu: Well, riddle me this, what kind of connection do you have, and what precisely is it telling you? |
| 18:15.11 | DynaEmu | I got |
| 18:15.19 | DynaEmu | RR, hooked up to a router |
| 18:15.22 | DynaEmu | Cable.. |
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| 18:15.27 | DynaEmu | and when I press enter on a mirror |
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| 18:15.40 | DynaEmu | it says *Cannot connect to FTP |
| 18:15.42 | ke6isf | DynaEmu: Please don't punctuate your lines with enter. Keep it all on one line. |
| 18:15.55 | DynaEmu | or something like that, because my internet connection isnt found at that part |
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| 18:16.19 | Eclipser | is there a way to recover rm'd files?-p |
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| 18:16.25 | ke6isf | DynaEmu: What are you selecting for your internet connection? |
| 18:16.36 | ke6isf | Eclipser: Yeah, retrieve from backup. You do keep backups, right? |
| 18:16.40 | DynaEmu | Cable |
| 18:16.49 | Eclipser | ke6isf, well I just made and accidently deleted the file >.<;; |
| 18:17.03 | ke6isf | Eclipser: What filesystem. |
| 18:17.04 | nvz | o_O |
| 18:17.06 | Eclipser | ext3 |
| 18:17.51 | ke6isf | Eclipser: Recreate the file. |
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| 18:18.17 | Eclipser | a lot of work :< |
| 18:18.20 | nvz | what sort of encantation would ressurect a file :P |
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| 18:18.56 | shingouz | nvz: do you have a dead chicken there? |
| 18:19.00 | nvz | heh |
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| 18:19.17 | nvz | shingouz: I got some frozen popcorn chicken, will that work? |
| 18:19.26 | resiak | Eclipser: There is no way to recover files on ext3 other than by applying a hex editor to the partition, or by restoring from your backup. Sorry. |
| 18:19.38 | ke6isf | nvz: Do 'apt-cache search undelete', but I don't think those work for anything but ext2. |
| 18:19.38 | Eclipser | :( |
| 18:19.59 | Anthro | How do I change the key repeat delay under X? I thought I could do it with xset r, but it doesn't seem to be working. |
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| 18:20.09 | shingouz | nvz: you will also need a full moon... and some mashed potatos and gravy |
| 18:20.13 | nvz | ke6isf: in a journalizing filesystem its usually not the case, and the probability that the last deleted node will be the next written are very high |
| 18:20.22 | nvz | shingouz: sounds like dinner to me |
| 18:20.46 | shingouz | nvz: good idea. i will go have dinner. bbiab :) |
| 18:20.49 | Bac9 | does apache support ipv6? if so how to get it to listen on ipv6 address? |
| 18:20.55 | darkcmd | I read something about the GPL3, and how Linus says he's going GPL2 only on slashdot, what if they fork the code and release a branch under the GPL3? |
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| 18:21.00 | Bac9 | the apache in debian stable |
| 18:21.10 | nvz | shingouz: I would recommend a better menu for a romantic moonlit dinner though |
| 18:21.25 | nkuttler | darkcmd: read the copyright note in the kernel source |
| 18:21.36 | nvz | and of course the location would be everything |
| 18:21.36 | Bac9 | darkcmd: they'd have to fork from the days it said "gpl2 or greater" |
| 18:21.53 | darkcmd | but they still can, and do you see it happening? |
| 18:22.00 | shingouz | nvz: i am not taking you out for a romantic moonlit dinner, my gf would kill me :p |
| 18:22.03 | nkuttler | Bac9: when did they change it? |
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| 18:22.16 | resiak | nkuttler: Because Linus doesn't trust RMS? |
| 18:22.16 | darkcmd | why would linus not support the GPL3, is it bad or something |
| 18:22.24 | nkuttler | resiak: when not why |
| 18:22.25 | Bac9 | nkuttler: if they did, I do not know if they did |
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| 18:22.36 | resiak | nkuttler: Because he's a bit of a nut? :) |
| 18:22.41 | nkuttler | Bac9: i mean when was it 2 or greater |
| 18:22.42 | nvz | it simply could not take place here.. the moment would be ruined by first a 30mile long train heading south at 70mph then another heading north at the same time. |
| 18:22.45 | Bac9 | darkcmd: because noone is quite sure what gpl3 will bring, everyone is waiting |
| 18:22.52 | nvz | shingouz: I would kill you. |
| 18:22.55 | nvz | first |
| 18:23.03 | darkcmd | RMS said its going to be pretty much the same |
| 18:23.04 | Bac9 | nkuttler: was it "v2 only" always? |
| 18:23.11 | shingouz | nvz: thank you, that would be merciful :) |
| 18:23.17 | nkuttler | Bac9: dunno, that's why i ask |
| 18:23.23 | resiak | Bac9: It has been for _ages_, if not ever since it was GPLed. |
| 18:23.26 | Bac9 | nkuttler: neither do I |
| 18:23.34 | Bac9 | resiak: o, k |
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| 18:23.50 | nvz | shingouz: yeah and an example to the rest of the gay culture that nvz doesnt swing that way |
| 18:24.14 | darkcmd | IMO whoever tries to fork the kernel, is ignorant |
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| 18:24.19 | darkcmd | it would screw the community |
| 18:24.23 | roby | nkuttler: the bug already exists, the problem is that '/usr/share/fglrx/diversions' did not exist |
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| 18:24.39 | nkuttler | roby: ok |
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| 18:24.54 | smacnay | I have installed a few of the Debian junior apps in testing but can not find them. I s Deb-Jr. still functional? |
| 18:24.54 | shingouz | nvz: :) |
| 18:24.58 | nvz | darkcmd: not really. and its pretty much been done many of times |
| 18:25.07 | darkcmd | what do you mean? |
| 18:25.08 | Bac9 | darkcmd: if it was always "v2 only" then noone can fork it to be "v2 or greater" without concent of original authors |
| 18:25.15 | nvz | darkcmd: every distro has their own kernel tree |
| 18:25.21 | nkuttler | smacnay: dpkg -L the package? |
| 18:25.33 | darkcmd | so they can't fork it? |
| 18:25.38 | darkcmd | for GPL3 |
| 18:25.48 | darkcmd | because its all V2 only |
| 18:25.54 | nvz | darkcmd: oh you are talking about forking under different lisc? |
| 18:26.04 | nvz | and when the hell did GPL3 come out |
| 18:26.10 | darkcmd | it hasn't yet |
| 18:26.17 | darkcmd | it will soon from what I've read |
| 18:26.24 | nvz | what the hell is the point |
| 18:26.26 | smacnay | nkuttler: it is installed but all links are to /usr/share/doc for the documentation. |
| 18:26.29 | darkcmd | nvz, under different lisc? |
| 18:27.00 | beardy | darkcmd: Where have you read that? |
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| 18:27.31 | darkcmd | http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/05/09/24/1325214.shtml?tid=117&tid=156 |
| 18:27.35 | nvz | ffs |
| 18:27.48 | nvz | now I have to write a new factoid |
| 18:27.55 | beardy | darkcmd: nevery trust anything with slashdot in the url. |
| 18:28.10 | darkcmd | http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/09/22/gpl3.html |
| 18:29.34 | nvz | dpkg, snl syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New License syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something changes its license terms. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition |
| 18:29.34 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
| 18:29.47 | darkcmd | http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/06/30/esr_interview.html |
| 18:30.08 | darkcmd | lol |
| 18:30.12 | darkcmd | oops.. hehe |
| 18:30.23 | shingouz | !lol |
| 18:30.23 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 18:30.41 | shingouz | wtf? where are the militant badgers? |
| 18:30.45 | nvz | dpkg, snl syndrome is also highly contagious stay away from anyone thought to have contracted this disorder. |
| 18:30.45 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
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| 18:31.32 | ma3x | hi nvz |
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| 18:31.56 | darkcmd | ok... but do you think the kernel will be forked |
| 18:32.14 | nvz | dpkg, lol =~ s/AOL/(AOL|AIM|Yahoo!)/ |
| 18:32.14 | dpkg | nvz: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 18:32.29 | nvz | oh well fuck you :) and what the hell is a locked factiod |
| 18:32.40 | ma3x | haha |
| 18:32.41 | nvz | surely lol wasnt programmed in like the "hello" |
| 18:32.53 | shingouz | it probably offended some poor soul.... |
| 18:33.18 | ma3x | there was a better definition for lol, the one with the Jesus pictures |
| 18:33.23 | nvz | I've heard of time locked factoids that cannot be removed, but they can still be altered |
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| 18:33.28 | nvz | ~lol |
| 18:33.30 | apt | from memory, lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 18:33.37 | shingouz | @lol |
| 18:33.37 | ravenbird | lol in no way resembles the sound that is produced while "Laughing Out Loud", so it looks very lame when you say it; use "heh" or "haha" instead or use an action ("/me laughs") 'lol' is also not punctuation. See also: loll, or peterS does interesting things if you do this and he's in the mood ;P |
| 18:33.48 | shingouz | jfc.. pc stuff... eugh |
| 18:33.49 | nvz | no jesus pictures anymore I guess |
| 18:34.01 | ma3x | yeah |
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| 18:34.10 | shingouz | @loll |
| 18:34.10 | ravenbird | loll, v.i. ... 3. To let the tongue hang from the mouth, as an ox, dog, or other animal, when heated by labor; as, the ox stood lolling in the furrow. ... v 2: be lazy or idle; "Her son is just bumming around all day" |
| 18:34.11 | ma3x | that one with the links is gone |
| 18:34.12 | Lorvija | hey.. i just recompiled a kernel and i enabled highmem support but still i'm seeing that ~900mb of ram used... should be 1gb. What did i do wrong? |
| 18:34.14 | ma3x | it was pretty cool |
| 18:34.15 | Trell_work | guys, i have a xandros os, that we have lost the root password, trying to boot to single user mode and can't, I have tried boot linux single, boot single, linux single, and plain single, is there anything else i'm missing? |
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| 18:34.28 | shingouz | ma3x: the one with the badgers? yes |
| 18:34.30 | resiak | !lost root password |
| 18:34.31 | ke6isf | Trell_work: #xandros is elsewhere. |
| 18:34.45 | nvz | dpkg, I forgot rahul's password |
| 18:34.45 | dpkg | it's "ilikesheep" |
| 18:34.49 | streuner | dpkg, i forgot root's passwort |
| 18:34.55 | nvz | dpkg, seen rahul? |
| 18:34.55 | dpkg | rahul <i=rahul@s28046213.temp.wsu.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 34d 18h 30m 49s ago, saying: 'cls'. |
| 18:35.05 | ma3x | shingouz, yeah, is it gone already? |
| 18:35.13 | nvz | damn he was here recently and I missed it I guess |
| 18:35.14 | ma3x | it was so far the coolest lol definition |
| 18:35.21 | shingouz | ma3x: unfortunately it seems to be gone |
| 18:35.21 | resiak | !i forgot root's password |
| 18:35.21 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 18:35.43 | ma3x | check your logs, someone probably triggered it 1 month ago |
| 18:35.57 | ma3x | nah, prolly 2 months |
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| 18:36.08 | Trell_work | ke6isf, i know #xandros is elseware, however there not talking and as xandros is debian based i figured someone woudl help |
| 18:36.14 | ke6isf | !debian based |
| 18:36.14 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 18:36.15 | hid3 | How can I check how much file descriptors are used at the moment? |
| 18:36.21 | Trell_work | and no i didn't have root on this in the first place |
| 18:36.23 | ke6isf | Trell_work: What dpkg said. |
| 18:36.23 | shingouz | !they don't know |
| 18:36.23 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 18:36.41 | ke6isf | Trell_work: In short, we dn't support Xandros in these parts. Sorry. |
| 18:37.08 | ma3x | shingouz, nvz I got it |
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| 18:37.15 | Trell_work | ty |
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| 18:37.19 | ma3x | Aug 09 17:00:09 dpkglol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
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| 18:37.55 | ma3x | well reprogram the bot |
| 18:38.00 | shingouz | hehe... |
| 18:38.07 | Eclipser | bleh |
| 18:38.21 | Eclipser | a lot of work in vain... ah well |
| 18:38.48 | nvz | ke6isf: shingouz you are not required to answer his question, please relax. its a general linux question and there is no reason it cant be answered here.. and it was. so just relax don't be trolls just because someone uses xandros |
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| 18:39.43 | shingouz | good point, i need to get my trollsnack in anycase ;) |
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| 18:39.59 | ke6isf | nvz: Sorry, kinda grouchy this morning. Point taken, thanks. |
| 18:40.27 | nvz | I have pretty large terminals and you guys sucked up 8 lines of it with irrelevant bitching about a solved issue :P |
| 18:41.02 | nvz | you are forgiven cause I will definatly make up for it as soon as I think of something stupid to tell you about |
| 18:41.10 | Pfated | Heh. |
| 18:41.18 | ke6isf | nvz: Heh =^^= |
| 18:41.57 | nvz | for now I am gonna go make some lunch I guess. still got time to kill before I get to go find out the big secret |
| 18:41.59 | beardy | Perhaps I'm tired, or a bit slow right now, but why is it necessary to fsck the root filesystem if one would forget the root password? |
| 18:43.03 | ke6isf | beardy: ...safety? Dunno. |
| 18:43.07 | cycom | could you perhaps liveCD it, chroot, and do it? or something of the sort? |
| 18:43.15 | Lorvija | hey.. i just recompiled a kernel and i enabled highmem support but still i'm seeing that ~900mb of ram used... should be 1gb. Checked with uname -a and i should be running the new kernel. What did i do wrong? |
| 18:43.36 | beardy | cycom: Yes. |
| 18:43.51 | roby | What's a really good Project Management System (PMS hahahaha), that uses PHP/MySQL and has well written code, commented, lots of configuration options and great documentation? |
| 18:43.53 | nvz | beardy: well think of it this way. if you forgot the password and have to reboot to do the other steps you may have had to do so without properly unmounting and shutting down, because you couldnt login as root to do so. so fsck would be a good idea |
| 18:43.58 | ke6isf | cycom: Last time I changed a root passwd, I just copied a line from my /etc/shadow into this other box by brute force. |
| 18:44.01 | cycom | Lorvija: shared memory video card? |
| 18:44.15 | Lorvija | cycom i doubt it.. |
| 18:44.19 | nvz | beardy: I am sure if I thought long enough I could imagine other reasons |
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| 18:44.39 | beardy | nvz: Ctrl-Alt-Del is configured to reboot by default. |
| 18:44.48 | Lorvija | cycom no, just checked.. should be some radeon with 128mb memory.. |
| 18:44.49 | beardy | cleanly reboot, I mean. |
| 18:44.55 | ke6isf | cycom: Or rephrase, last time I changed it BFI style. |
| 18:45.03 | nvz | beardy: sure if you havent modified /etc/inittab |
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| 18:45.06 | cycom | ke6isf: heh |
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| 18:45.33 | cycom | holy crap. ISO finished and I didn't notice :) |
| 18:45.39 | realtek | I downloaded a realtek wireless driver and when I run make, it's looking for a .config in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/build/.config ... this is on sarge. File is not there |
| 18:45.45 | nvz | beardy: on a production system I wouldnt want just any idiot being able to three finger salute my system |
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| 18:45.58 | nvz | server or not, I wouldnt like it |
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| 18:46.23 | lamp_ | Does anyone know what is wrong with my bootup i have runned bootchart http://users.tijd.com/~tdn60761/bootchart.png |
| 18:46.36 | Bac9 | what versions of apache support ipv6? |
| 18:46.39 | realtek | so I copied /boot/config-2.4.27-2-386 to .config in that directory, but the driver still won't make, the error is *** No rule to make target 'modules' |
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| 18:46.51 | beardy | nvz: On a production system I wouldn't want to let anyone forget the root password (or have root) that doesn't know, and have to ask how to reset it if they would forget it. |
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| 18:46.58 | realtek | just wondering what would have to be hacked to make that work, I think this driver was built for RH |
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| 18:47.52 | ke6isf | lamp_: Well, no, what exactly is it doing? |
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| 18:48.27 | nvz | beardy: yeah I would have my bootloader set to ask for a password if the user tried to pass paramaters to the kernel as well. generally I do this on any system I setup. for shitty OS's like windows I always require a password to boot them since they dont implement proper security, and for linux I only require a password if parameters are given on the command line |
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| 18:49.00 | nvz | I am a lilo person cause I have been around a long time and it was more widely used in the past. I dont know how or if grub even can do that kind of setup |
| 18:49.23 | lamp_ | ke6isf, with loading modules he says many times that a module is already loaded |
| 18:49.25 | beardy | Oh well, I guess it's a good thing to fsck it first then. But I find it strange that the factoid presumes something other (that /etc/inittab has been modified) than the default. |
| 18:49.29 | nvz | on lilo its called manditory and restricted IIRC |
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| 18:50.03 | nvz | beardy: I just gave the first half-assed example I could think of. I am sure the person who wrote it had something else in mind |
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| 18:50.20 | beardy | nvz: Probably. |
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| 18:50.36 | nvz | !factinfo i forgot root's password |
| 18:50.36 | dpkg | i forgot root's password -- last modified at Tue Dec 21 10:35:13 2004 by TimRiker!~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc; it has been requested 182 times, last by resiak, 15m 15s ago. |
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| 18:51.15 | nvz | hmm well TimRiker is probably busy, but hell you know where to find him... heh |
| 18:51.31 | ke6isf | lamp_: It looks like it's running modprobe at least twice. |
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| 18:51.36 | nvz | if you want to bug him. I am a bit curious myself if I see him not doing anything I will probably ask |
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| 18:51.56 | Iconsumed | Doessomeone know how I do to transfer video and images from my sonyericsson k500i to the computer? I have a cable... |
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| 18:52.19 | lamp_ | ke6isf, how can i change that |
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| 18:52.31 | nvz | Iconsumed: what interface is the cable? Serial, Parallel, Universal Serial? |
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| 18:52.49 | Iconsumed | nvz, it isan usb cable |
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| 18:52.57 | nvz | Iconsumed: does dmesg say anything when you plug it in? can you find it with lsusb? |
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| 18:53.11 | Iconsumed | i'll try |
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| 18:53.39 | Iconsumed | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 18:53.39 | Iconsumed | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0731:0528 Susteen, Inc. |
| 18:53.39 | nvz | Iconsumed: is it removable or internal media? any idea what type or if its a Mass-Storage compatible device |
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| 18:54.03 | DynaEmu | I tried to install debian netinstall again but |
| 18:54.04 | beardy | nvz: It would be interesting to know how he thought, if he wrote the whole one that is, perhaps he only modified it though. |
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| 18:54.18 | DynaEmu | it still doesnt find a internet connection to get from the FTPs |
| 18:54.22 | nvz | Iconsumed: try loading usb-storage and seeing if you get any partition info in dmesg |
| 18:54.35 | ke6isf | lamp_: Remove beyond the first from init, I suppose. Not knowing details about how your machine boots, I can't give you more details than that. Also, there could be a reason it's running modprobe twice. I (or the channel, for that matter) would need to see a boot log or output of dmesg for a clearer answer. |
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| 18:54.46 | Iconsumed | nvz, dmesg detectsit |
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| 18:55.04 | nvz | beardy: yeah well he hangs out in here sometimes and also in #bzflag of course among other places he also goes by multiple handles |
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| 18:55.50 | Iconsumed | nvz, how do i load usb-storage |
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| 18:55.56 | ke6isf | DynaEmu: Might be a firewall issue then. |
| 18:56.01 | beardy | nvz: I don't think I've talked with him, or seen him. |
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| 18:56.33 | kl0ck | hey, how do you set aptitude to download from a different server? |
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| 18:56.40 | ke6isf | lamp_: Does the machine operate normally aside from this issue with boot? |
| 18:56.46 | ke6isf | kl0ck: apt-setup |
| 18:56.52 | kl0ck | indeed |
| 18:56.59 | beardy | kl0ck: You modify your /etc/apt/sources.list, by hand or with apt-setup |
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| 18:57.17 | nvz | beardy: he was/is the lead developer/creator of bzflag so I know hangs out there, I've discussed features and problems with him there before. |
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| 18:57.22 | ke6isf | kl0ck: and if you modify by hand, don't forget to apt-get update. |
| 18:57.25 | lamp_ | ke6isf, dmesg > http://users.tijd.com/~tdn60761/dmesglog yes it runs normaly |
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| 18:57.35 | beardy | nvz: Ok |
| 18:57.35 | Iconsumed | nvz, I don't really know what you mean with mass-storage-compatible.... but I store my own taken photographs and videos... |
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| 18:57.44 | chealer | hi everyone |
| 18:57.44 | kl0ck | ke6isf: thanks |
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| 18:58.29 | DynaEmu | what is iso-dvd |
| 18:58.30 | ke6isf | lamp_: I wouldn't worry about it then. |
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| 18:58.50 | nvz | beardy: he last modified the factoid nearly 2 years ago.. so it hasnt been touched in a long time and he was the last one dondelelcaro probably only keeps temporary backups of dpkg's database and probably couldnt go back to see who origionally created it or what it read before modification. |
| 18:58.56 | beardy | DynaEmu: If it's a package, apt-cache show packagename |
| 18:59.14 | lamp_ | ke6isf, but a bootup speed of 2:36 is not normal for a 3.4 ghz cpu |
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| 18:59.38 | nvz | Iconsumed: mass storage is a standard for usb storage drives, capable hardware is very simple to use. if you load the mass storage driver (usb-storage) and dmesg shows you a partition then you can just mount it |
| 18:59.54 | JunK-Y | when im trying to apt-get upgrade, im still getting this: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. how can i solve that issue? |
| 19:00.19 | nvz | Iconsumed: my mp3 player has a usb cable, and internal and removable media, and they show up as two different scsi devices, with vfat partitions at /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:00.23 | pmcdonnell | JunK-Y, are you installing Sarge using an rc installer? |
| 19:00.34 | Iconsumed | nvz, it is a cellphone |
| 19:00.42 | beardy | nvz: Yeah. Well, not that it matters that much, just a thing that got me wondering. |
| 19:00.46 | Iconsumed | nvz, ok |
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| 19:00.55 | JunK-Y | pmcdonnell: via a netinstall cd. |
| 19:01.01 | nvz | Iconsumed: yeah I worked with those before. sometimes you have to specifically tell the phone to go into mass-storage mode. |
| 19:01.15 | pmcdonnell | JunK-Y, yes, but is it the current "stable" installer, or an older installer from when Sarge was still testing? |
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| 19:01.20 | Mr_Morden | are there any nicer irc clients available than ksirc? |
| 19:01.25 | nvz | Iconsumed: my mp3 player does it automatically shows a file-cabinet and says "Mass-storage" when I plug it in |
| 19:01.27 | Iconsumed | nvz, but how do i load the usb-storage driver? |
| 19:01.29 | Pfated | irssi-text. |
| 19:01.31 | beardy | Mr_Morden: irssi-text |
| 19:01.34 | Iconsumed | nvz, ok |
| 19:01.35 | nvz | Iconsumed: modprobe usb-storage |
| 19:01.36 | JunK-Y | a previous yeah. |
| 19:01.39 | Mr_Morden | thx ^^ |
| 19:01.41 | Iconsumed | nvz, ok |
| 19:01.54 | thingfish | you can use gaim for irc, Mr_Morden. |
| 19:02.01 | pmcdonnell | JunK-Y, I'd start from scratch using the new stable installer, as it sets up apt to use "testing" sources, rather than "sarge" |
| 19:02.21 | Iconsumed | nvz, USB Mass Storage support registered. |
| 19:02.24 | JunK-Y | could i just change my apt-source from now? |
| 19:02.34 | ke6isf | lamp_: Not really, but you won't notice if you don't reboot. |
| 19:02.37 | nvz | Iconsumed: check dmesg and see if it reports anything |
| 19:02.45 | Mr_Morden | @thingfish: next question would be is there a nicer multi-protocoll chat client than GAIM ^^ |
| 19:02.46 | Iconsumed | nvz, it does |
| 19:03.00 | Iconsumed | nvz, Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... |
| 19:03.09 | Iconsumed | nvz, usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage |
| 19:03.12 | thingfish | Mr_Morden: not that I know of. |
| 19:03.12 | pmcdonnell | JunK-Y, idk, you could go into sources.list and replace "testing" with sarge or stable, and then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:03.18 | Iconsumed | nvz, USB Mass Storage support registered. |
| 19:03.24 | nvz | Iconsumed: looking for a removable scsi disk |
| 19:03.25 | thingfish | some people like xchat. |
| 19:03.26 | Iconsumed | that's what it gives |
| 19:03.29 | pmcdonnell | JunK-Y, I don't know if it will work, though |
| 19:03.32 | Mr_Morden | @thingfish: then I have a look at the irc capabilities of gaim :) |
| 19:03.38 | nvz | Iconsumed: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 19:03.48 | JunK-Y | pmcdonnell: thx, i'll try that, but im now downloading a new image from http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ / |
| 19:03.49 | nvz | Iconsumed: or vendor/product information..etc |
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| 19:04.05 | pmcdonnell | JunK-Y, that's probably the safer option |
| 19:04.19 | Iconsumed | nvz, usbserial.c: PL-2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0 (or usb/tts/0 for devfs) |
| 19:04.28 | Iconsumed | nvz, is that of help? |
| 19:04.30 | nvz | Iconsumed: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices \n Vendor: SigmaTel Model: Memorex Player Rev: 0100 \n Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 19:04.35 | Iconsumed | nvz, it looks important =) |
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| 19:04.59 | lamp_ | ke6isf, lol anyway thx |
| 19:05.00 | Iconsumed | nvz, no, nothing like that |
| 19:05.11 | ke6isf | lamp_: Sorry I couldn't be of help further. |
| 19:05.15 | nvz | Iconsumed: chances are if you dont see specific information about a mass storage device detected and assigned scsi Ids you either dont have scsi support loaded, or your phone doesnt support or isnt in mass-storage mode |
| 19:05.25 | Iconsumed | nvz, can I spam the output somewhere? |
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| 19:05.43 | nvz | Iconsumed: a pastebin or #flood |
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| 19:05.53 | Iconsumed | nvz, #flood |
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| 19:06.28 | nvz | Iconsumed: usb-storage also requires sd_mod and some other scsi drivers, they should have been loded, you can check with lsmod to see if they are loaded. |
| 19:06.40 | pmcdonnell | ke6isf, you a ham radio operator by any chance? |
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| 19:06.46 | ke6isf | pmcdonnell: Of course. =^^= |
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| 19:06.54 | pmcdonnell | ke6isf de kc9ddi |
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| 19:07.01 | ke6isf | pmcdonnell: Heh, 73. =^^= |
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| 19:07.30 | Iconsumed | nvz, find no sd_mod |
| 19:08.05 | Lilldude_ | has anyone tried small floppy istall linux lately? |
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| 19:09.31 | Kraig | i have a question, if you edit the /etc/lilo.conf file and then run lilo and it says everything is ok, should i read after rebooting something like L 99 99 [and lots of 99] ? |
| 19:10.21 | Blissex | Kraig: if you wrote the wrong things in '/etc/lilo.conf', sure. :-) |
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| 19:10.57 | Blissex | Lilldude_: what kind of silly question is that? What do you really want to know? |
| 19:10.57 | Kraig | but if i run lilo after editing the file shouldn't it tell me there's something wrong? |
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| 19:11.14 | Mr_Morden | is there actually a way to install debian 3.1 with a 2.6 kernel from the netinstall-cd? |
| 19:11.19 | Blissex | Kraig: it will tell you if the _file syntax_ is wrong or there are gross errors... |
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| 19:11.35 | thingfish | Mr_Morden: do linux26 at the prompt. |
| 19:11.36 | Kraig | i'd say this is a gross error... |
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| 19:11.47 | Blissex | Kraig: you got unlucky :-) |
| 19:11.49 | Kraig | Blissex: how do you think i can fix this? |
| 19:12.00 | Blissex | Kraig: well, there are very many methods. |
| 19:12.00 | Kraig | yeah, i'm bad luck made flesh :) |
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| 19:12.21 | Mr_Morden | thingfish: hmmm, should I then install all again? running currently a 2.4 kernel and added manually the nvidia support and alsa |
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| 19:12.34 | Blissex | Kraig: ah no, I am more jinxed than you -- but this is not the channel to discuss my ex-girlfriends :-). |
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| 19:12.43 | Kraig | lol |
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| 19:13.03 | Blissex | Kraig: to recover there are several methods... The best idea is to have a copy of Knoppix around. |
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| 19:13.23 | Kraig | d'ough |
| 19:13.33 | thingfish | Mr_Morden: you can apt-get a kernel. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:13.34 | Blissex | Kraig: then you boot it, mount the root filesystem, edit the 'lilo.conf' to fix it and then run 'lilo -C' |
| 19:13.45 | Elly | what, no quake build? |
| 19:14.04 | Blissex | Kraig: it is fixable also by having around a GRUB boot floppy. Or by using the install CD in rescue mode. |
| 19:14.16 | Mr_Morden | @thingfish: is it adviced to use the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 19:14.40 | Kraig | hmm... |
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| 19:14.44 | Kraig | thanks a lot Blissex |
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| 19:14.52 | thingfish | Mr_Morden: it's a good idea if you need it for greater hardware support. |
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| 19:15.13 | Mr_Morden | can I write to ntfs partitions with the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 19:15.50 | Kraig | sounds scary |
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| 19:16.08 | Fastjack74 | hello somebody here who talk german ? |
| 19:16.13 | asg | !de |
| 19:16.13 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 19:16.32 | Fastjack74 | exit |
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| 19:16.43 | Blissex | Kraig: no, very easy, happens all the time. |
| 19:16.45 | bob2 | Mr_Morden: no |
| 19:16.52 | Blissex | Kraig: have you got a Knoppix or similar CD? |
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| 19:16.54 | bob2 | Mr_Morden: not without captive-ntfs, anyway |
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| 19:17.03 | Mr_Morden | captive-ntfs? |
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| 19:17.12 | asuffield | 'windows' |
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| 19:17.18 | thingfish | Mr_Morden: writing to ntfs partitions is still seen as quite risky. |
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| 19:17.55 | thingfish | and it only available, like bob2 said, via captive-ntfs. |
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| 19:18.13 | Mr_Morden | @thingfish: thank you... I'm still learning about Debian :) I have learnt so much during this week about Linux ^^ |
| 19:18.17 | pipeline | Mr_Morden: Don't use captive NTFS. That is all you need to know. Captive is unmaintained and horrendously broken. |
| 19:18.18 | Kraig | Blissex: i'm searching for the install CD, although i doubt i can find one around, i have no floppy unit and i think i'll end unplugging the HDD, opening my other computer, shutting it down (sad part) plug, mount as secondary, edit lilo.conf, unplug, open primary computer, plug, run, chmod a-r /etc/lilo.conf :P |
| 19:18.21 | bob2 | the in-kernel stuff can modify existing files |
| 19:18.27 | bob2 | as long as it doesn't change the file |
| 19:18.29 | bob2 | size |
| 19:18.34 | thingfish | one learns a lot in the first few weeks of linux use, definitely. |
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| 19:18.57 | asuffield | and then spends the next few years unlearning it again |
| 19:18.58 | pipeline | Mr_Morden: The only effective way to write to NTFS from linux is to run Windows inside of VMware and share the volume over the virtual network. |
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| 19:19.04 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 19:19.18 | asg | asuffield: quite right |
| 19:19.20 | pipeline | Mr_Morden: Alternatively, you can do the same thing with Qemu, but that's very, very, very slow. |
| 19:19.21 | Rubin[work] | is there a tool like tail -f that doesnt get stuck when logrotate runs? |
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| 19:19.30 | asg | Rubin[work]: use -F instead |
| 19:19.35 | Mr_Morden | well, I was asking because of writing to ntfs partitions as I still need some windows appz to run on linux through WINE |
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| 19:19.52 | Mr_Morden | and that there is some way to configure wine to use an existing windows install |
| 19:19.53 | asg | Rubin[work]: or --follow=name |
| 19:19.53 | Rubin[work] | asg: thanks |
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| 19:20.11 | Mr_Morden | so I assume writing to ntfs would be mandatory |
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| 19:20.36 | asuffield | wine just takes some libraries from the windows install, and that's optional anyway |
| 19:20.45 | asuffield | doesn't actually run the thing |
| 19:20.45 | Blissex | Kraig: that sound like trouble... |
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| 19:20.52 | Eiscreme | hi |
| 19:20.52 | Rubin[work] | Mr_Morden: plex86 or vmware would be more appropreate for what your saying |
| 19:21.03 | Eiscreme | how can I check if 2 files are absolutly equal? |
| 19:21.07 | Eiscreme | (md5sum or so) |
| 19:21.16 | asg | Eiscreme: yes |
| 19:21.17 | Blissex | Kraig: perhaps just downloading a 50MB or 125MB subset of Knoppix might be quicker (DamnSmallLinux or FeatherLinux). |
| 19:21.22 | asuffield | Eiscreme: so why are you asking? |
| 19:21.22 | Rubin[work] | Eiscreme: diff |
| 19:21.22 | Eiscreme | asg: how? |
| 19:21.33 | Eiscreme | Rubin[work]: also for binary files? |
| 19:21.38 | Blissex | Kraig: if you had a floppy drive I could have gotten you a tiny floppy image with GRUB on it. |
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| 19:21.48 | asg | Eiscreme: md5sum <file1> ; md5sum <file2> |
| 19:21.48 | Rubin[work] | Eiscreme: i think it has some features for binaries |
| 19:21.55 | ke6isf | Eiscreme: Do an md5sum on both files and check the md5sum to see if they're identical. |
| 19:21.55 | Mr_Morden | the only two apps that I need to get run is Lotus Notes and Photoshop CS2... the rest is not important at all :) |
| 19:21.57 | Rubin[work] | md5sum is nolonger safe |
| 19:22.17 | Eiscreme | asg, Rubin[work], ke6isf - Thank you |
| 19:22.17 | Rubin[work] | an attacker can make a new file with the same md5sum as the old file |
| 19:22.18 | asuffield | Mr_Morden: photoshop under wine is probably pushing it |
| 19:22.18 | ke6isf | Rubin[work]: Explain? |
| 19:22.18 | asg | Rubin[work]: for comparing files? of course it is. |
| 19:22.18 | Eiscreme | Rubin[work]: why? |
| 19:22.19 | Blissex | Rubin[work]: in extreme situations.... |
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| 19:22.28 | asuffield | notes works |
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| 19:22.37 | Eiscreme | Rubin[work]: how does this work? |
| 19:22.39 | Mr_Morden | I know that Lotus Notes works (somehow) |
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| 19:22.51 | Mr_Morden | too many students at university run linux and the can use it |
| 19:23.04 | asuffield | you just run the notes installer under wine and let it go |
| 19:23.15 | Rubin[work] | Eiscreme: how does what work? |
| 19:23.17 | Kraig | Blissex: i don't have a cd-burner neither |
| 19:23.23 | Mr_Morden | will try that :) thank you for your help :) |
| 19:23.31 | asuffield | runs like crap, but it runs like crap on windows too, so that's not really any different |
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| 19:23.51 | asg | asuffield: at least it isn't the horror that is Groupwise |
| 19:24.00 | Mr_Morden | I actually came to like Lotus notes ^^ |
| 19:24.02 | Eiscreme | does md5sum <file> check the CONTENT of the file, or also the fileNAME itself? |
| 19:24.07 | asuffield | it's still a memory-hungry hog |
| 19:24.10 | Rubin[work] | Eiscreme: content |
| 19:24.18 | Eiscreme | there are 2 files I am near sure they are identical but they have different MD5 sums |
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| 19:24.21 | asg | Eiscreme: it just does a hash of the contents |
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| 19:24.26 | Rubin[work] | Eiscreme: then they arent :) |
| 19:24.31 | Blissex | Kraig: in this time and age not having a CD burner is a bit negligent... |
| 19:24.37 | ke6isf | Rubin[work]: What you do sounds like something that requires a lot of brute force and time. |
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| 19:24.43 | magyar | anyone on sid? |
| 19:24.48 | ke6isf | Rubin[work]: Rephrase, what you *describe*, rather. |
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| 19:24.54 | Mr_Morden | just one more question: how to best convert DVDs to DivX on Linux? |
| 19:24.55 | Kraig | Blissex: yeah, that's what i say to poor people |
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| 19:25.04 | Rubin[work] | ke6isf: yes, takes some time. but its not pure brute force |
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| 19:25.10 | Rubin[work] | md5 is flawed |
| 19:25.16 | asg | magyar: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be running it |
| 19:25.18 | Blissex | Kraig: you can CD burners in rubbish bins... |
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| 19:25.27 | Blissex | Kraig: you can find CD burners in rubbish bins... |
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| 19:25.30 | SupIAmMike | what is runlevel 2? |
| 19:25.31 | asg | Rubin[work]: so are humans. It doesn't mean that md5sum isn't a useful tool. |
| 19:25.39 | Eiscreme | ok |
| 19:25.40 | SupIAmMike | why does debian start in runlevel 2 instead of 5 like redhat? |
| 19:25.41 | Eiscreme | thank you all |
| 19:25.43 | asg | SupIAmMike: Debian's default runlevel |
| 19:25.46 | Rubin[work] | asg: there are better options now |
| 19:25.51 | Rubin[work] | so its sorta useless |
| 19:25.59 | Rubin[work] | sha256 is still safe :) |
| 19:26.02 | asg | Rubin[work]: agreed, but it is still useful considering its ubiquity. |
| 19:26.07 | SupIAmMike | asg - is run level 2 terminal or graphical? |
| 19:26.09 | asuffield | there aren't really any better options |
| 19:26.12 | SupIAmMike | i thought run level 3 was terminal |
| 19:26.18 | Rubin[work] | if your comparing 2 files, theres a good chance its to detect tamering |
| 19:26.19 | asg | SupIAmMike: both, Debian doesn't play Redhat Games. |
| 19:26.20 | SupIAmMike | and run level 5 was xwindows |
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| 19:26.27 | asuffield | sha is a fairly simple variation on the theme of md5, it won't last long |
| 19:26.33 | magyar | asg: mozilla spontaneously keeps crashing |
| 19:26.34 | Kraig | Blissex: you look like living in a nice country and having a nice job |
| 19:26.38 | asg | SupIAmMike: /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 19:26.39 | ke6isf | SupIAmMike: Debian does not use the same runlevels as Redhat. Why do you ask? |
| 19:26.46 | SupIAmMike | and 6 is turn off computer and i never knew what 1,2, or 4 were |
| 19:26.52 | asg | magyar: then check the bts as you are supposed to. |
| 19:26.53 | Rubin[work] | 2 is normal |
| 19:26.58 | Rubin[work] | 1 is single user |
| 19:27.01 | Blissex | Kraig: I live in a rich country and I have been unemployed for a while... |
| 19:27.05 | Rubin[work] | the rest are for you to make however you want |
| 19:27.08 | SupIAmMike | what does signle user mean? |
| 19:27.09 | magyar | asg: roger |
| 19:27.11 | ales | sorry, how do i make kernel when i have initrd=y. make-kpkg ... -initrd .....? |
| 19:27.13 | ke6isf | SupIAmMike: Maintenance mode. |
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| 19:27.17 | Blissex | Kraig: in a rich country people throw away PCs with DVD burners in them.... |
| 19:27.27 | magyar | asg: if it wont crash :) |
| 19:27.31 | ke6isf | SupIAmMike: It's to get the users off if you have to do some heavy handed stuff to the system. |
| 19:27.38 | SupIAmMike | ah |
| 19:27.45 | Blissex | Kraig: some friends of mine have got clusters built with PCs they found in the rubbish. :-) |
| 19:27.51 | asg | magyar: well, you can use lynx in a pinch or epiphany, etc. |
| 19:27.57 | SupIAmMike | ok what is a bash if statement to check if im using debian or fedora? |
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| 19:28.17 | SupIAmMike | like i want to do x if debian and runlevel 2 and x if fedora and runlevel 5 |
| 19:28.21 | SupIAmMike | but not if its not those |
| 19:28.34 | asg | SupIAmMike: test -f /etc/debian_version && echo 'Debian' |
| 19:28.43 | Kraig | Blissex: yeah, looks nice, whoising you is a bit dangerous, i might get an overflow or something for so much chans ;P |
| 19:28.51 | Elly | hey guys, where's the 'dune' fortunes package? |
| 19:29.01 | asg | Elly: apt-cache search fortune |
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| 19:29.21 | Elly | I tried that |
| 19:29.24 | Elly | it doesn't appear to exist |
| 19:29.39 | asg | Elly: then perhaps it doesn't. Feel free to package it. |
| 19:29.43 | ke6isf | asg: There's only a few english language fortunes packages out there - at least in Sarge, anyway. |
| 19:30.02 | Elly | :( |
| 19:30.06 | Elly | gentoo had like 50 of them |
| 19:30.06 | asg | ke6isf: it's not like they are hard to make |
| 19:30.10 | Elly | I have no idea where to get them |
| 19:30.17 | ke6isf | asg: True enough. |
| 19:30.29 | asg | Elly: then get the source from gentoo, package them for Debian, and find a mentor to upload them. |
| 19:30.36 | Kraig | i didn't saw that fortunes-debian-hints |
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| 19:30.38 | Kraig | cool |
| 19:30.52 | asg | ke6isf: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc-qotd.fortune (granted the parser needs work) |
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| 19:31.28 | setog3 | I think I have a little problem , with vim I can't write é , it put me ? , how can I fix it ? |
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| 19:32.09 | ke6isf | asg: Ooh, fun. =^_^= |
| 19:32.12 | JunK-Y | pmcdonnell: i just reinstall with a new image, works now, thanks. |
| 19:32.32 | ke6isf | asg: For that matter, though, a question - is it required to have an associated .dat file for fortunes, and if so, how does one generate it? |
| 19:32.36 | beardy | setog3: Change your locale? dpkg-reconfigure locales, if that is what you need to do. |
| 19:32.39 | asg | ke6isf: the parser builds it nightly from dpkg's factoid database. There are some bugs with the greedy regexes used but it's passable. |
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| 19:32.46 | Kraig | setog3: the `vimtutor` didn't help? |
| 19:32.53 | asg | ke6isf: use strfile to create the fortune file from the source |
| 19:33.02 | ke6isf | asg: Cool, thanks. |
| 19:33.06 | asg | ke6isf: you're welcome |
| 19:33.19 | Kraig | oh, can't write , i thought it was can't write, <something else> |
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| 19:35.09 | SupIAmMike | when i type apt-get install foo - what type of file is downloaded for foo - i know in fedora i was getting *.rpm but debian doesnt use rpms... |
| 19:35.19 | ke6isf | SupIAmMike: .deb |
| 19:35.21 | asg | SupIAmMike: .deb |
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| 19:35.35 | SupIAmMike | ah ok |
| 19:35.55 | thingfish | I thought I recognized you from #fedora, SupIAmMike. I switched about 6 months ago. |
| 19:37.04 | SupIAmMike | yeah well having to reformat once a month finally got to me |
| 19:37.19 | thingfish | hehe yeah, they can have it. |
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| 19:37.41 | thingfish | I want software that actually works. |
| 19:38.12 | SupIAmMike | well sadly fedora installed my wireless driver and i cant apt-get install ieee80211 and i hate compiling stuff |
| 19:38.46 | pmcdonnell | JunK-Y, no problem - same thing happened to me |
| 19:38.50 | thingfish | that is one area where fedora and ubuntu are strong: hardware support. |
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| 19:39.22 | SJr|Tecra | !md5 |
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| 19:39.24 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 19:39.29 | thingfish | but often it's a case of "Yay! My wireless works on my otherwise buggy, crippled system!" |
| 19:39.33 | green_earz | SupIAmMike: here a handy debian reference doc > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 19:39.37 | SJr|Tecra | !md5 hnttnh |
| 19:39.38 | dpkg | cd1d735c22ed3337ed605b5df4f55e83 |
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| 19:39.43 | SJr|Tecra | hmmmm interesting |
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| 19:40.22 | SupIAmMike | well i mean fedora still doenst give me functional wireless (they arnt allowed to distribute firmware) and for some reason in fedora core 4 they muted my sound card to start and xorg/xfree86 still require the 855resolution patch on all linux distros |
| 19:40.36 | JunK-Y | pmcdonnell: im not really a deb specialist, im more a programmer then an admin, but thats great, i really appreciate ur kinds of help. |
| 19:40.52 | pmcdonnell | no problem |
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| 19:41.07 | ke6isf | asg: I just did strfile on that debian qotd database, but fortune still doesn't recognize it when both the source and .dat files are placed in /usr/share/games/fortunes/. What did I do wrong? |
| 19:41.09 | thingfish | SupIAmMike: buying the latest hardware carries its risks. |
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| 19:43.19 | djp | ALSA lib seq_hw.c:446:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory. trying to run shaketracker in debian 3.1 sarge and getting that message. i have alsa installed and working so how do i fix that message? |
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| 19:43.39 | alexweblinux | Hello! I need someone who use or used fsn.hu unofficial i386 Binary distributive |
| 19:44.05 | SupIAmMike | thingfish - this is over a year old now |
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| 19:44.49 | fbi | gotta love when marillat tells you there are too many connections from your IP (and it isn't even your IP) |
| 19:45.06 | ttl- | strange that such util is so hard to find |
| 19:45.11 | ke6isf | !tell alexweblinux -about ask |
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| 19:46.45 | ttl- | than i have no other option than split all 1500 instruments by hand i guess |
| 19:46.58 | SupIAmMike | apt-get install ipw2200-source doesnt work |
| 19:47.00 | SupIAmMike | any ideas? |
| 19:47.28 | ke6isf | !doesn't work |
| 19:47.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 19:47.40 | azeem | SupIAmMike: it's in contrib |
| 19:47.51 | azeem | SupIAmMike: you probably need to add/enable that in sources.list |
| 19:47.58 | azeem | SupIAmMike: see http://packages.debian.org/ipw2200-source |
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| 19:48.34 | alexweblinux | I have Debian GNU/Linux 20040612 "Sid" - fsn.hu unofficial on 14 cd. I don't want to install it right now, but I heard it contains books and/or linuxgazette. So I would like to know cd number where I can find these files |
| 19:48.39 | SupIAmMike | what do i add to sources.list |
| 19:49.01 | ke6isf | SupIAmMike: join #flood and paste your sources.list. |
| 19:49.06 | azeem | SupIAmMike: look for "main" and change that to "main contrib" |
| 19:49.14 | Blissex | SupIAmMike: in recent kernels the 2200 driver is a standard part of the kernel. |
| 19:49.16 | SupIAmMike | ok |
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| 19:49.35 | pem3v78 | I'm trying to install sarge from usb stick. Every time I run the install after reboot kernel crc is bad. My memory stick doesn't have write protection switch. What can be done ? |
| 19:49.37 | SupIAmMike | oh really? |
| 19:49.43 | SupIAmMike | how do i upgrade kernels? |
| 19:49.58 | azeem | SupIAmMike: what are you running? stable, testing, unstable? |
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| 19:50.16 | Cerial | Linux nothing 2.6.12-ck2-686 #1 Sun Jul 3 01:36:51 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:50.19 | Cerial | :P |
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| 19:50.35 | ke6isf | Cerial: ... |
| 19:50.39 | SupIAmMike | debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:50.43 | Cerial | xDD |
| 19:50.46 | Cerial | hello:P |
| 19:50.46 | SupIAmMike | i am using linux26 install option |
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| 19:51.08 | azeem | SupIAmMike: well, there are no official kernel updates for 3.1 except security stuff |
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| 19:51.08 | pem3v78 | I followed http://d-i.pascal.at/ it starts after reboot I start it again and have kernel crc error. md5sum shows changes. It uses syslinux. Any thoughts ? |
| 19:51.22 | azeem | SupIAmMike: so you will either have to look out for unofficial stuff or roll your own |
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| 19:51.45 | cahoot | djp: that's a midi app no? |
| 19:51.49 | ales | i have in .config initrd=y. doas make sence make-kpkg with option -initrd .....? |
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| 19:51.56 | j4cbo | why on earth is the only k8 kernel in sid 64-bit? |
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| 19:52.16 | SupIAmMike | azeem - how often do they come out with new ones if i want to wait it out? |
| 19:52.20 | j4cbo | it's messing up an awful lot of stuff |
| 19:52.34 | azeem | SupIAmMike: stable remains stable. Debian isn't known to release often |
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| 19:52.43 | azeem | SupIAmMike: current ETA is end of 2006 |
| 19:52.46 | ke6isf | SupIAmMike: You pretty much have the latest kernel for Sarge. If anything, apt-get the correct 2.6.8-2 for your current arch, reboot, and select it in grub. |
| 19:52.58 | stew | azeem: who's estimate is that? |
| 19:53.01 | azeem | ke6isf: does that include ipw2200 |
| 19:53.06 | azeem | stew: the release manager's |
| 19:53.08 | j4cbo | alsamixer is saying "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argument" |
| 19:53.11 | ke6isf | azeem: No ideas, I'm not a kernel hacker. |
| 19:53.15 | SupIAmMike | uname -r gives me 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:53.19 | Schiz0 | I just got a intel processer with 64 bit support, is there a version/kernel/whatever for debian etch that has 64 bit support? |
| 19:53.34 | j4cbo | Schiz0: DON'T |
| 19:53.42 | Schiz0 | Why's that? |
| 19:53.48 | j4cbo | i'm having a shitton of problems caused by using a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit system |
| 19:53.52 | stew | azeem: the kernel has no ipw2200 support, its a separate module |
| 19:53.56 | ke6isf | SupIAmMike: What kind of processor is this that you're running on? |
| 19:54.00 | Schiz0 | ..It's a 64 bit system.. |
| 19:54.14 | azeem | stew: cool, it's available for sarge? |
| 19:54.17 | j4cbo | a 32-bit os, that is |
| 19:54.19 | Schiz0 | I wannta run everything in 64 bits, because the processer suports it |
| 19:54.23 | stew | !info ipw2200-source sarge |
| 19:54.24 | SupIAmMike | dell 700m - athlon xp mobile |
| 19:54.27 | dpkg | ipw2200-source: (Source for the ipw2200 driver), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 134 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 19:54.28 | azeem | SupIAmMike: I suggest you add contrib and read up on module-assistant, which is a elegent way to compile kernel modules |
| 19:54.34 | SupIAmMike | dell 700m - intel centrino i mean |
| 19:54.35 | azeem | stew: I see |
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| 19:54.51 | stew | azeem: it can be installed with m-a ; /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 19:55.01 | SupIAmMike | azeem - how do i get my kernel sources or headers or whatever |
| 19:55.04 | azeem | stew: that's what I just proposed |
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| 19:55.10 | ke6isf | Will kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 work on a Centrino? |
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| 19:55.12 | azeem | SupIAmMike: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
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| 19:57.06 | stew | dpkg: ipw2200 =~ s/m-a a-i ipw2200/m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200/ |
| 19:57.06 | dpkg | OK, stew |
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| 19:57.27 | j4cbo | module-assistant is completely broken with 64-bit kernels |
| 19:57.36 | ales | dpkg: initrd |
| 19:57.37 | dpkg | methinks initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
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| 19:57.47 | Schiz0 | ok, so I should just run 32 bit everything? |
| 19:57.49 | j4cbo | it doesn't realize that it has to cross-compile stualsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argument |
| 19:57.52 | j4cbo | ack |
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| 19:58.01 | j4cbo | yes, it'll be a lot easier |
| 19:58.04 | Schiz0 | Alright |
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| 19:58.34 | j4cbo | i had to hack the header files to get the nvidia module build because none of the autoinstall scripts could understand the concept of a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit userland |
| 19:58.53 | stew | j4cbo: did you file a bug? |
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| 19:59.10 | j4cbo | not yet, should i? |
| 19:59.21 | stew | if there is a bug, you should file it |
| 19:59.46 | abrotman | or squash it |
| 19:59.52 | j4cbo | i want to know what genius decided it would be a good idea to put a 64-bit kernel in the 32-bit repository ;) |
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| 20:00.45 | abrotman | j4cbo: there is more than one |
| 20:00.54 | j4cbo | hm? |
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| 20:00.59 | myren | pardon the random question, but does anyone know a hafl decent car forum onlnie? |
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| 20:01.23 | b2bx | alguem poderia me ajudar?/ |
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| 20:01.31 | abrotman | !alguem |
| 20:01.32 | dpkg | somebody said alguem was the Portuguese word for "anyone". A definite clue that someone needs to join #debian-br.... |
| 20:01.37 | abrotman | !br |
| 20:01.37 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 20:02.17 | j4cbo | i was trying to parse that as spanish, and wasn't getting very far :/ |
| 20:02.21 | abrotman | stupid bots |
| 20:02.25 | b2bx | alguem pode me ajudar?? |
| 20:02.28 | abrotman | !br |
| 20:02.28 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:02.32 | abrotman | b2bx: ^^ |
| 20:02.46 | b2bx | pode? |
| 20:02.51 | j4cbo | no |
| 20:02.58 | ke6isf | b2bx: /join #debian-br por favor |
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| 20:03.03 | abrotman | i have no idea what he's even asking :) |
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| 20:03.14 | fbi | he's asking if anyone can help him. |
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| 20:03.23 | fbi | but obviously, he isn't reading the help. |
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| 20:03.24 | SupIAmMike | what is MTA - i installed my ipw2200 and its firmware and now i restarted and it is stuck on Starting MTA: _ |
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| 20:03.48 | ke6isf | !mta |
| 20:03.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 20:03.50 | streuner_ | SupIAmMike /msg dpkg mta |
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| 20:04.47 | XTF | Hi. What's the reason Apache keeps 52 weeks of logs by default? |
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| 20:05.18 | r0xoR | what would yall choose as a toolset to write a webforum with... i'm currently considering Python + XML + XSLT |
| 20:05.22 | JunK-Y | XTf: thats more an apache, rather then a debian question, no? |
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| 20:05.45 | r0xoR | JunK-Y, well, i'm asking around in a lot of channels... |
| 20:05.49 | XTF | JunK-Y: Well, it's Debian's Apache logrotate script. |
| 20:05.57 | ke6isf | JunK-Y: I get a feeling that's a logrotate thing. |
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| 20:06.44 | SupIAmMike | is there a reason debian would freeze on boot when starting MTA? |
| 20:06.57 | ke6isf | SupIAmMike: There could be many reasons. |
| 20:07.04 | Blissex | SupIAmMike: guessing wildly, DNS resolution issues... |
| 20:07.06 | abrotman | if it can't resolve localhost maybe ? |
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| 20:07.22 | reisio | r0xoR: I hear good things about Python, but I personally cannot stand languages where whitespace means something |
| 20:07.28 | SupIAmMike | well it even ignores power button |
| 20:07.40 | SupIAmMike | is there a way i can try to figure out whats up? or how to skip that step? |
| 20:07.58 | jdhutchin1 | reisio, you get used to it after a while, at first I thought the same thing, but I got used to it |
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| 20:08.06 | ales | i compiled 2.6.13, how do i get in ipw2200 ? |
| 20:08.14 | reisio | jdhutchin1: I'm sure I'd get used to it :) I just don't care to |
| 20:08.52 | hns | SupIAmMike, it is a known problem, there is a solution for it, however cannot remember whre i raed it |
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| 20:12.54 | SupIAmMike | hns - google doesnt seem to help - where do you suggest i start looking? |
| 20:13.16 | hns | i am looking for it, no luck yet |
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| 20:13.54 | djp | ALSA lib seq_hw.c:446:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory. can anyone help me out with this message? posted this earlier. i think i have sorted part of my problem by running sudo modprobe snd-seq-midi. should i now add snd-seq-midi to my /etc/modules.d/alsa file in order for it to work at boot time? |
| 20:14.04 | Daedalus_ | SupIAmMike: You know what your MTA is. right? |
| 20:14.29 | hns | SupIAmMike, http://linuxbasics.org/members/d._raymond/mta |
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| 20:16.25 | streuner | djb: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 20:17.50 | Elly | why does debian still have x-chat 2.4.1? |
| 20:17.57 | ttl- | sorry for repeating but is there someone who knows how to split .wav files on silences ? |
| 20:18.02 | Elly | 2.4.4 is out, why am I using the old version when there's a new, bugfixed one out? :\ |
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| 20:18.28 | xwolf | elephantman: try gramofile or glame |
| 20:18.39 | j4cbo | anyone know what could be causing "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Invalid argument" ? |
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| 20:19.13 | streuner | elephantman: apt-cache search wav editor |
| 20:19.16 | ttl- | elephantman: ? |
| 20:19.32 | streuner | j4cbo: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:19.36 | SupIAmMike | hns - that solution if if the MTA is taking a long time - mine is actually freezing my computer |
| 20:19.36 | mmiikkee12 | i tried to boot off the floppies in the install/floppy/ directory on the cd, but my ide devices (incl. hard drives) don't show up in /dev. does the cd-drivers.img floppy enable hard drives also? |
| 20:19.41 | SupIAmMike | aka - i cant get to a command prompt |
| 20:19.54 | ttl- | gramofile gives me a segfault on the wav file |
| 20:19.55 | j4cbo | streuner: 2.3.5-6 |
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| 20:20.18 | streuner | j4cbo: and 'cat /proc/version' ? |
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| 20:20.28 | Elly | how do I get it to use 2.4.4? ;\ |
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| 20:21.23 | j4cbo | streuner: 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 out of sid |
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| 20:21.41 | streuner | j4cbo: why did you cut the full messages out? |
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| 20:21.48 | hns | SupIAmMike, disable exim4, make sure the problem is exim4. then install postfix and remove exim4 and see if the problem is solved |
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| 20:22.02 | Elly | hmm, how do I change from stable to testing? |
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| 20:22.14 | Ximi_ri | google powaa |
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| 20:22.21 | j4cbo | streuner: i was assuming you didn't need the entire thing |
| 20:22.23 | streuner | Elly: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 20:22.24 | j4cbo | Linux version 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 (root@firetheft) (gcc version 3.4.4 20050314 (prerelease) (Debian 3.4.3-13)) #1 Mon May 30 22:15:15 UTC 2005 |
| 20:22.25 | mmiikkee12 | Elly: nano /etc/apt/sources.list as root |
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| 20:22.48 | Ximi_ri | fr?? |
| 20:22.52 | hns | Elly, change sarge to etch in your sources.list |
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| 20:23.04 | mmiikkee12 | does the cd-drivers.img floppy enable hard drives also? |
| 20:23.04 | streuner | j4cbo: did you check BTS? |
| 20:23.25 | streuner | j4cbo: what happen if you run 'alsaconf' as root again? |
| 20:23.35 | Ximi_ri | Bye |
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| 20:23.49 | j4cbo | streuner: same exact thing |
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| 20:23.54 | Elly | hmm |
| 20:23.55 | Elly | lots of warnings |
| 20:24.03 | Elly | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 20:24.04 | j4cbo | it's "invalid argument" not "permission denied" :) |
| 20:24.39 | Elly | that's bad, isn't it? |
| 20:24.49 | mmiikkee12 | Elly: any error is bad :P |
| 20:24.58 | Elly | so what did I do wrong? |
| 20:25.02 | abrotman | Elly: try another mirror |
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| 20:25.23 | mmiikkee12 | does the cd-drivers.img floppy enable hard drive support also? |
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| 20:25.28 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: yes .. |
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| 20:25.31 | abrotman | !tell mmiikkee12 about repeat |
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| 20:26.52 | mmiikkee12 | whatever... didn't mean to be an annoyance... just got impaient :( |
| 20:26.58 | streuner | j4cbo: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 20:26.59 | j4cbo | abrotman: does bts have a keyword search? i checked my kernel package and alsa-base but there was nothing relevant under either of them |
| 20:27.07 | abrotman | !bts |
| 20:27.07 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 20:27.07 | j4cbo | er, streuner |
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| 20:27.11 | abrotman | j4cbo: see the fabre site |
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| 20:27.20 | Elly | so...what other mirrors should I use? |
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| 20:27.25 | abrotman | Elly: apt-setup |
| 20:27.26 | streuner | j4cbo: ask in #debian-amd64 |
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| 20:27.35 | Elly | and could it be a misconfiguration instead? it seems odd that ftp.debian.org wouldn't have the testing branch |
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| 20:28.04 | j4cbo | i'm not using the amd64 version of debian though, i'm using the amd64 kernel in i386 debian |
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| 20:28.53 | streuner | j4cbo: why? what CPU do you have? |
| 20:29.01 | SupIAmMike | i booted in maintenance mode dpkg-reconfigure exim says "Package exim is not installed and no info is avaliable." |
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| 20:29.13 | abrotman | Supaplex: postfix/sendmail ? |
| 20:29.13 | SupIAmMike | is that why my MTA is freezing my computer when it tries to start |
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| 20:29.24 | j4cbo | streuner: athlon64, but the only -k8 kernel in sid is compiled for 64-bit |
| 20:29.38 | azeem | SupIAmMike: it's called exim4 or something these days |
| 20:29.39 | ke6isf | SupIAmMike: Try exim4, I think that's the name of the package. |
| 20:29.43 | azeem | SupIAmMike: dpkg -l | grep exim4 |
| 20:29.44 | SupIAmMike | abrotman those are the same error |
| 20:29.52 | abrotman | j4cbo: no . there's a -k8 kernel in sarge |
| 20:29.54 | SupIAmMike | oh that worked |
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| 20:29.54 | hns | SupIAmMike, it is dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 20:29.58 | SupIAmMike | exim4 worked |
| 20:30.03 | SupIAmMike | but it doesnt let me set options |
| 20:30.13 | ke6isf | SupIAmMike: Are you wanting to run a mail server? |
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| 20:30.34 | SupIAmMike | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config works... |
| 20:30.37 | sandman | I need to make applications spawn out of chroots into a non-chroot'd X session |
| 20:30.45 | sandman | I can't find any documentation to really help me in figuring this out |
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| 20:30.54 | j4cbo | SupIAmMike: you probably don't need exim, i've always removed it |
| 20:30.56 | SupIAmMike | no i am trying to make it so that when Starting MTA does not freeze my computer (not slow boot but freeze) |
| 20:31.07 | SupIAmMike | right now i have "no configuration at this time" |
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| 20:31.18 | SupIAmMike | should i use local delivery only (not on a network) |
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| 20:31.31 | abrotman | SupIAmMike: grep localhost /etc/hosts ... does anything show up ? |
| 20:31.31 | caphuso | it's about damn near impossible for exim to freeze your computer to the point that you can't reboot it anymore |
| 20:31.33 | azeem | exim4 should still start I guess |
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| 20:31.36 | ke6isf | SupIAmMike: Well, that's fine, but you have no plans on this computer to run mail services? If you don't, you should 'apt-get remove exim4'. |
| 20:31.46 | Elly | alright |
| 20:31.50 | Elly | testing time |
| 20:31.54 | caphuso | ke6isf: you can't do that |
| 20:31.56 | azeem | ke6isf: uhm, an MTA is more or less required, I think |
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| 20:32.00 | ke6isf | caphuso: eh? |
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| 20:32.12 | caphuso | ke6isf: you can't just remove the MTA |
| 20:32.13 | SupIAmMike | ke6isf what about system messages? |
| 20:32.20 | caphuso | you have to replace it with another one |
| 20:32.20 | SupIAmMike | i think i am supposed to leave MTA installed |
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| 20:32.50 | ke6isf | I could be wrong, but last I checked you don't need a mail daemon to deal with local only mail. |
| 20:32.54 | j4cbo | i've never had problems from removing the mta |
| 20:33.05 | azeem | well, it's not the issues anyway |
| 20:33.10 | j4cbo | it took out at, but that's not really necessary |
| 20:33.13 | azeem | s/issue/issues/ |
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| 20:33.29 | ke6isf | j4cbo: Hey, if you don't need at, you don't need at. |
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| 20:33.57 | j4cbo | abrotman: really, i don't see any |
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| 20:34.11 | j4cbo | all the k8 packages are -amd64-k8, ie 64-bit mode |
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| 20:34.26 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 sarge |
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| 20:34.32 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD64 systems), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-14 (sarge), Packaged size: 12938 kB, Installed size: 45492 kB |
| 20:34.39 | abrotman | j4cbo: and what's wrong with that? |
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| 20:34.51 | j4cbo | that's the exact one i have |
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| 20:35.01 | j4cbo | it's compiled in 64-bit mode |
| 20:35.17 | streuner | j4cbo: did you check if there is an entry in BTS? |
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| 20:35.29 | abrotman | j4cbo: so use a -k7 kernel ? |
| 20:35.36 | abrotman | a -386 kernel ? |
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| 20:35.58 | abrotman | why would you compile it for k8 and make it 32bit .. hell .. i'm not even sure you can do that |
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| 20:38.03 | dspstv | !info alsa |
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| 20:38.48 | j4cbo | abrotman: i just tested, gcc helloworld.c -march=k8 produces a 32-bit output |
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| 20:39.14 | j4cbo | -march=k8 -m64 gives a 64-bit executable though |
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| 20:39.30 | j4cbo | i dunno, i was just overambitious in my kernel choice :) |
| 20:39.32 | Slartie | Is it recommended to update to the most recent kernel as they become available or should I live by the "if it isn't broken don't fix it" philosophy when it comes to kernels? |
| 20:39.47 | abrotman | j4cbo: but why would you make it a k8 and make it 32bit? |
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| 20:39.51 | j4cbo | Slartie: depends if you've done any custom stuff |
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| 20:40.34 | j4cbo | abrotman: k8 has sse2 and sse3 , although the kernel probably doesn't use that |
| 20:40.36 | XTF | Is there an option for apt-get dist-upgrade to fully upgrade and configure a package before it touches the next package? |
| 20:40.37 | Slartie | j4cbo, no custom stuff... I haven't updated it since I installed it (using 2.6.6-1 at the moment) |
| 20:40.41 | abrotman | Slartie: as long as there aren't security issues |
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| 20:40.48 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 20:40.48 | Debianiac | Startie: The kernel you choose should contain the resources for all the toys you own! Kernel 2.6.11 can do stuff that 2.4xx (stable)cannot! |
| 20:40.52 | abrotman | Slartie: you should upgrade .. there are security issues |
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| 20:41.07 | solemnwarning | is there a package on apt for using an Orange SPV E200 smartphone? |
| 20:41.15 | abrotman | j4cbo: ok .. have fun |
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| 20:41.19 | solemnwarning | lsusb shows it as "High Tech Computer Corp. SPV C400 / T-Mobile SDA GSM/GPRS Pocket PC" btw |
| 20:41.29 | j4cbo | yeah, i'll probably just go back to the -k7 package |
| 20:41.41 | Slartie | Thanks everyone, I will go update my kernel then |
| 20:41.42 | cycom | solemnwarning: phone as a modem? |
| 20:41.46 | solemnwarning | no |
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| 20:42.13 | solemnwarning | file transfer between box and phone |
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| 20:42.46 | Debianiac | Slartie: you can always update your GRUB to boot either kernel! |
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| 20:43.08 | j4cbo | Debianiac: that happens automatically actually ;) |
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| 20:43.23 | solemnwarning | anyone? |
| 20:43.30 | solemnwarning | is there an app? |
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| 20:43.42 | abrotman | solemnwarning: apt-cache search;google ? |
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| 20:43.58 | solemnwarning | tried |
| 20:44.01 | Slartie | Debianiac, mm, I seem to recall having done that on another linux-machine with a custom kernel. I'll do some reading before updating... thanks for the top |
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| 20:44.09 | Slartie | tip |
| 20:44.28 | j4cbo | damn i love my antec p180 |
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| 20:44.43 | j4cbo | i walked into my room and said to myself "whoa who turned off my computer" |
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| 20:47.17 | Debianiac | j4cbo: Always my dread, to see the blank screen! I run 12 UPSs in this house, and really NEED 6 more... |
| 20:47.21 | KPlunk | How can I force install of a *.deb file if I don't have all the required dependencies? |
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| 20:47.57 | Julie1 | Hey all! |
| 20:48.03 | KPlunk | I want to install azureus...and I have jdk 1.5 installed, and I run java and it works fine...but it tells me I should get j2re1.5 |
| 20:48.06 | frealek | KPlunk: dpkg --force-help |
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| 20:48.16 | KPlunk | thanks frealek |
| 20:48.20 | j4cbo | Debianiac: i was referring to the noise level |
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| 20:48.42 | Debianiac | Julie1: Didja get touchscreen working? |
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| 20:49.13 | Julie1 | well the supplier of the touchscreen delivered me the source of some new drivers |
| 20:49.18 | Julie1 | and when i got those compiled |
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| 20:49.27 | Julie1 | i actually got the touchscreen working |
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| 20:49.40 | Julie1 | only thing is. thatI need to get it working under X now |
| 20:49.47 | Julie1 | lol |
| 20:49.54 | Julie1 | but it works *glee* |
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| 20:50.24 | Debianiac | What about the "how to" over to google.com/linux search for 'touch screen'? |
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| 20:50.39 | Julie1 | yea i tried all that... |
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| 20:50.55 | Debianiac | Julie1: maybe something over to X.org? |
| 20:51.05 | Julie1 | basically... right now i need to know how to get my touchkit_drv.o registered as an input driver with Xfree86 |
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| 20:51.30 | Julie1 | but i heard that maybe i need to compile X together with its modules for it to works straight.. dunno yet though |
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| 20:52.21 | Julie1 | its not why i'm here tonight though... |
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| 20:52.45 | Julie1 | weekends and evenings are my own time :P :D |
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| 20:53.02 | Debianiac | Julie1: after you do the compile, and it works, let us know... I do a lot of this to learn what I haven't done, yet, before I have to struggle on my own... |
| 20:53.26 | Julie1 | lol i'm actually not going to compile the X source i think |
| 20:53.40 | Julie1 | i'm kinda thinking about telling managment to find another solution |
| 20:53.48 | Julie1 | since i have no background with this sort of thing |
| 20:53.53 | Julie1 | and i've some good guesses |
| 20:54.02 | Julie1 | but its obviously not getting us where we need to be |
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| 20:54.13 | Julie1 | i figured out how to get it to work.. just not under X |
| 20:54.15 | Debianiac | Julie1: That's the reason I am surrounded by 30 dysfunctional systems! so I can Xperiment!... |
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| 20:54.39 | Julie1 | and darn.. management decided that embedded systems can have X on it :| |
| 20:54.44 | Julie1 | lol 30?! |
| 20:54.47 | Julie1 | :\ |
| 20:54.55 | Julie1 | sounds like a nightmare lol |
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| 20:55.19 | Debianiac | Lotsa free stuff, curbside leavings, some are AMD 2.0! |
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| 20:55.37 | Julie1 | i'm not taking much heat for this though... since i never had an education on linux or anything embedded |
| 20:55.44 | Julie1 | i'm just trying lol |
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| 20:55.53 | Julie1 | and i happen to know a bit about linux |
| 20:55.55 | Julie1 | just a bit though |
| 20:56.12 | Debianiac | Julie1: But, you could learn, and get some personal gratification knowing hat you figured it out! |
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| 20:56.15 | Julie1 | whats amd 2.0?? |
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| 20:56.40 | Barnes | processor maybe |
| 20:56.42 | Julie1 | yea i'm hoping the direction will send me away to learn |
| 20:56.44 | SupImMike | is there a way i can make MTA not start when my computer starts? |
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| 20:56.48 | Julie1 | C |
| 20:56.50 | Debianiac | AMD CPU known as the 2.0 XP chip. |
| 20:56.58 | Julie1 | learning C would be awesome for me... |
| 20:57.03 | azeem | SupImMike: update-rc.d |
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| 20:57.12 | Julie1 | if i knew C... linux would be even more fun! |
| 20:57.14 | Debianiac | I would study Perl! |
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| 20:57.35 | SupImMike | azeem what options? |
| 20:57.37 | Julie1 | ok so you can study perl... and i will study C! and together... we'll rock! :D |
| 20:57.41 | Barnes | we gonna study perl in school later |
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| 20:57.52 | Debianiac | The AMD XP 2.0 actually runs at 1667Mhz. |
| 20:57.56 | azeem | SupImMike: hmm, not sure, I don't use it often. Check the manpage |
| 20:58.00 | robin_sz | Perl is my favourite OO language ... |
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| 20:58.24 | Julie1 | i'd love to get into the embedded business though... just not if managment forces us to use X on embedded lol :P |
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| 20:58.38 | Debianiac | golug.org is sponsoring a quickie seminar overview of Perl... |
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| 20:59.04 | bucky | !seen lilo |
| 20:59.05 | dpkg | lilo <i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 15h 16m 6s ago, saying: 'they've raised the puerile to a high art'. |
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| 20:59.36 | Julie1 | ack! |
| 20:59.38 | Julie1 | that much :| |
| 20:59.45 | robin_sz | Julie1: what do you mean "no X" ? no local X display? |
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| 21:00.11 | jamey3 | Can someone tell me why many of Debian's packages have docs gzipped? |
| 21:00.15 | robin_sz | you can still run X enabled apps of course with no X on the embedded device .. |
| 21:00.28 | roby | php4 wants to install apache-common, but i have apache2-common and is that no preffered to be used? |
| 21:00.35 | robin_sz | jamey3: standard practice ... they get unzipped as you read them |
| 21:00.41 | Julie1 | robin_sz, X takes up alot of space... |
| 21:00.52 | Debianiac | I, being a hardware geek, since 1965 (Air Force for 20 years) LOVE to packrat, and have a Packard Bell 386 (AKA: Worst Piece of JUNK ever!), through several dual processor systems, from 200 Pentiu\m Pro server, to the AMD XP units. Yeah, I'm 'thrifty'! |
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| 21:01.00 | Julie1 | and its wasted space mostly |
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| 21:01.21 | robin_sz | Julie1: so, dont install it then ... but you dont need it on the embedded device .. just on the X server you use to view the application |
| 21:01.23 | Julie1 | because all you need is a click and do thing for your specific device |
| 21:01.37 | Julie1 | robin_sz using X is not my call |
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| 21:02.04 | Debianiac | Julie1: Ever try out OPIE for the handhelds/PDAs? |
| 21:02.11 | Julie1 | the embedded device has a lcd showing lots of fancy stuff |
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| 21:02.32 | Debianiac | What Processor? |
| 21:02.32 | Julie1 | Debianiac nope... but doesn't matter.. managment is bent on having X running on it |
| 21:02.36 | Julie1 | mips23 |
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| 21:02.54 | Julie1 | 32 mostly though... the 23 is only for the idiots amongst us :P |
| 21:02.57 | robin_sz | you and/or your management seem not to understand ... not my problem |
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| 21:03.31 | Julie1 | robin_sz nothing i say is your problem.. .whats your point? |
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| 21:03.57 | swatikiss | get xorg |
| 21:04.03 | robin_sz | the big bit of X is the X server, that you use to look at stuff, that sits on your desktop ... the embedded device does not have X on it .. BUT that does not mean it cant display itself on an attached X server equipped desktop ... |
| 21:04.03 | my-wife-is-18 | I have this 30G hard drive with only 3G is used. I want to backup the whole HDD image to a 8G harddrive. I am sure it can be done with combination 'dd' command and some compression prog, but dont want to create an intermediate file.... any ideas? |
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| 21:04.43 | Julie1 | the embedded device is just that... its not communicating with any other intelligent device |
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| 21:04.59 | robin_sz | no comms? |
| 21:05.01 | SupImMike | ok so i did updte-rc.d -f exim4 remove |
| 21:05.05 | SupImMike | and then restarted |
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| 21:05.07 | robin_sz | well, thats so 1970 |
| 21:05.20 | SupImMike | and now it freezes after "Starting printer spooler: lpd" |
| 21:05.22 | Julie1 | its the main bit of a modular system |
| 21:05.26 | Debianiac | Hello, my-wife...: Why not just do a DVD of lthe 3Gb of data? |
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| 21:05.39 | azeem | SupImMike: hrm, my dad had similar issues with his ipw2200 on ubuntu |
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| 21:05.52 | SupImMike | you believe its because of the ipw2200? |
| 21:05.57 | robin_sz | Debianiac: or better still .. a DVD of his wife ;) |
| 21:05.58 | swatikiss | does x.org work with nvidia drivers? |
| 21:06.01 | azeem | SupImMike: so we don't start the wlan interface on boot, but afterwards |
| 21:06.02 | SupImMike | should i remove the firmware? |
| 21:06.02 | my-wife-is-18 | Debianiac: no dvd writer.... |
| 21:06.12 | SupImMike | azeem how do i do that? |
| 21:06.15 | azeem | SupImMike: well, could be |
| 21:06.23 | azeem | SupImMike: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:06.32 | SupImMike | glorious |
| 21:06.36 | Debianiac | Not even an external, usb, DVD writer, borrowed from somebody? or, over the network, to a buddy? |
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| 21:06.47 | SupImMike | azeem - 3 gold stars for knowing whats up and being useful |
| 21:06.47 | azeem | SupImMike: and comment out the 'auto eth1' or whichever the ipw2200 is |
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| 21:07.00 | SupImMike | mine is eth0 for some strange reason |
| 21:07.06 | SupImMike | and eth2 is something eles |
| 21:07.09 | azeem | SupImMike: well, it's just a suspicion, could be something else |
| 21:07.10 | SupImMike | and eth1 is my wired |
| 21:07.21 | azeem | SupImMike: did you check what abrotman wrote earlier about /etc/hosts? |
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| 21:07.30 | SupImMike | yeah |
| 21:07.33 | metaperl | lsusb shows my external USB DVD drive as follows: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 059b:0251 Iomega Corp ... how can I mount the DVD I have in this drive? |
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| 21:07.39 | azeem | ok |
| 21:07.49 | abrotman | what! |
| 21:07.52 | abrotman | oh |
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| 21:08.10 | abrotman | SupImMike: and it was ok ? |
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| 21:08.35 | Debianiac | robin_sz: I already have 20Gb of pr0n! |
| 21:09.26 | robin_sz | package it! |
| 21:09.27 | my-wife-is-18 | Debianiac: of course I can borrow one but that takes time.... and 18 year old girl wont wait till Monday.... |
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| 21:09.48 | jamey3 | robin_sz, what causes the docs to be unzipped as you read them? |
| 21:09.52 | SupImMike | i believe so |
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| 21:10.01 | azeem | jamey3: the respective editor, usually |
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| 21:10.11 | azeem | jamey3: most pagers/editors can deal with it |
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| 21:10.25 | sandman | I'm looking for an effective way to backup an entire system, but only replacing files in teh archive that have changed |
| 21:10.36 | sandman | Such that there might be dates within the archive, you know? |
| 21:10.38 | Debianiac | Yeah, 'my-wife-...', I know! I once made the mistake of trading in my wife of 36 for two gals of 18... and it nearly killed me jsut trying to keep pace! |
| 21:10.43 | robin_sz | jamey3: man foo will unzip man.gz on the fly ... it just happens .. quit worrying about it .. use man to read amn pages and thats all you need to know |
| 21:10.43 | sandman | Incremental backups I think is what it's called |
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| 21:11.09 | jamey3 | robin_sz, oh right I completely missed the point that man would read them :) I was aimlessly browsing with vi and nano lol |
| 21:11.11 | SupImMike | so now it freezes on "Starting PCMCIA services:" |
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| 21:11.20 | Debianiac | That would prolly be about 2,345 floppis, for an incremental back-up of 3Gb! |
| 21:11.22 | jamey3 | robin_sz, I always nitpick at minor details :) |
| 21:11.28 | robin_sz | heh |
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| 21:11.54 | azeem | SupImMike: is there anything in the logs (if you start in single-user mode, e.g.) |
| 21:12.16 | SupImMike | dont know what to look for |
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| 21:14.05 | Debianiac | hey, my-wife...: what is the biggest burner, or spare partition, that you have? |
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| 21:16.16 | Debianiac | Idea for my_wife_is_18: Gmail gives 1 Gb accounts, usually 5 at a time! |
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| 21:16.17 | andy_ | Hi I need glib >= 2.5.5 for some progam I want to install are there deb packages for this glib? if so where can I fined them? Thanks! |
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| 21:16.40 | Debianiac | hello, my_wife_is_18: Get some of your friends to rec you and you would be able to stream your data to three or four email boxes! |
| 21:16.46 | Miesco | How come now, /dev/dsp cant be found? |
| 21:16.53 | Miesco | What can I do |
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| 21:17.10 | robin_sz | Miesco: buy one? |
| 21:17.34 | Miesco | It was already working |
| 21:17.44 | robin_sz | reboot? |
| 21:17.47 | my-wife-is-18 | Debianiac: I want to backup the whole image b/c it's a fresh install of XP without virues and such yet, but will be when wife gets on internet.... |
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| 21:17.52 | Miesco | I did |
| 21:17.58 | robin_sz | ok, |
| 21:18.00 | robin_sz | then ... |
| 21:18.06 | Miesco | I installed all these alsa packages... |
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| 21:18.13 | robin_sz | you will need some goats blood and chicken bones ... |
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| 21:19.44 | Debianiac | my_wife...: Why din't you say so? You make the XP RESTORE points, install DEB on an 8 Gb partition, save the very important stuff there!!! When the wifey sees how GREAT you are, she will REALLY BE IMPRESSED!!! |
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| 21:20.15 | nyterukh | mmm |
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| 21:20.54 | Miesco | bash: /dev/dsp: Permission denied Could that have something to do with it? |
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| 21:21.35 | Miesco | Or is it just saying that cause its not executable |
| 21:21.38 | fwtest | hi, i have just installed debian, on apt step, it says that it cant connect to internet |
| 21:21.41 | Debianiac | my_wife_is_18: I have two XP systems here, for games (but, the children all prefer the Deb systems!), and only had four trojans/viruses alerted to in AVG, in the past three months! |
| 21:21.48 | nyterukh | thats odd..hope it works |
| 21:22.01 | fwtest | i go to console and type ifconfig, i see only lo and no eth |
| 21:22.22 | Debianiac | The OTHER 28 systems are all Deb, and have no problems, matey! |
| 21:22.37 | fwtest | then i can see that in /etc/network/interfaces, there is a config for ip address, but i cant ifup it |
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| 21:22.56 | dspstv | !info gtk |
| 21:23.03 | my-wife-is-18 | Debianiac: I am not confident about linux handling of NTFS and I want to deal in terms of hdd images to save on support time... it requires less baby-sitting once you get the right command sequence... |
| 21:23.17 | Debianiac | Miesco: go su to view /dev/ stuff! Obviously root protected! |
| 21:23.26 | fwtest | i try to cat "alias eth0 3c509" > /etc/modutils/network |
| 21:23.45 | dspstv | i need to install gtk-devel package to get the GUI in mplayer...but im lost with more than a hundred packages that use the name gtk |
| 21:23.46 | nyterukh | should i use single user or multi user partition when setting up a new system |
| 21:23.51 | Miesco | It still says permission denied |
| 21:23.57 | streuner | !tell dspstv about help |
| 21:24.04 | fwtest | after that i do /sbin/update-modules, but i get errors |
| 21:24.14 | fwtest | what should i do? |
| 21:24.30 | Debianiac | Been doing Knoppix on NTFS systems (INSTALLS!) for almost a year. Never lost one data bit! Your mileage might vary, but, I doubt it! |
| 21:24.47 | Miesco | This is what it says when I login: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) |
| 21:24.49 | abrotman | this isn't #knoppix |
| 21:24.50 | streuner | dspstv: search for libgtk*.-dev packages |
| 21:24.54 | Miesco | Or when sound tries to play |
| 21:24.57 | my-wife-is-18 | Miesco: I think your user ID has to be in audio group.... |
| 21:25.00 | dspstv | streuner, thanks...btw. do you know the exact nake of the gtk-devel package |
| 21:25.08 | dspstv | thanks |
| 21:25.24 | streuner | dspstv: why not just install the packages of marillat's repo? |
| 21:25.27 | Miesco | It is in audio |
| 21:25.31 | streuner | !tell dspstv about marillat |
| 21:25.32 | Miesco | It just started to not work |
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| 21:25.53 | streuner | wtf |
| 21:26.06 | cahoot | Miesco: you changed from oss to alsa before it stopped 'working'? |
| 21:26.07 | streuner | somebody removed 'marillat' factoid |
| 21:26.15 | Miesco | cahoot: Yea |
| 21:26.21 | Debianiac | Yeah, Knoppix uses UnionFS since V3.6... Deb offers speed, even in installed versions, but, I love DEB, but, have to convince (advocasy), the 600 members of lthe Windows Group, so need to start gently... |
| 21:26.35 | tosh | unionfs? |
| 21:26.46 | dspstv | whats marillat? |
| 21:26.48 | Debianiac | Don't worry, they all migrate to genuine Debian, soon after they are playing wiht Knoppix... |
| 21:26.57 | streuner | dpkg, marillat is <reply> [marillat] an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ |
| 21:26.57 | dpkg | ...but marillat is already something else... |
| 21:27.26 | cahoot | Miesco: I suspect you have a mixture of oss and alsa modules loaded - hence the problem - check with lsmod |
| 21:27.44 | abrotman | !marillat |
| 21:27.48 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 21:27.48 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 21:28.04 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 21:28.04 | dpkg | it has been said that mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 21:28.37 | Miesco | soundcoure is loaded... |
| 21:28.41 | Miesco | soundcore* |
| 21:28.44 | abrotman | streuner: did you just delete it ? |
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| 21:28.55 | streuner | abrotman: nope |
| 21:28.58 | Debianiac | tosh: all I do know about UnionFS is that it is an integration program to handle filesystems in the live environment... My personal thing is to run one OS on a system, rather than trying to dual boot between systems. |
| 21:29.14 | streuner | abrotman: i just don't get any response of dpkg |
| 21:29.16 | abrotman | streuner: well .. the factoid is gone or some crap |
| 21:29.28 | abrotman | !literal marillat |
| 21:29.28 | dpkg | marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 21:29.37 | Miesco | cahoot: What should I do? |
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| 21:30.47 | cahoot | Miesco: if you can't figure out what modules you have loaded - you might paste the output on a pastesite for others too look at - /msg dpkg paste for instructions |
| 21:31.07 | cahoot | Miesco: i e the output of lsmod |
| 21:31.29 | metaperl | error when attempting to install latest udev: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Hh8Hez47.html |
| 21:31.33 | metaperl | help needed |
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| 21:31.59 | caphuso | metaperl: udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. |
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| 21:32.07 | metaperl | caphuso: how should I upgrade my kernel? |
| 21:32.14 | nyterukh_ | k that was wierd |
| 21:32.14 | streuner | !udev 2.6.12 |
| 21:32.14 | dpkg | if you tried to upgrade udev and now get the message "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted.", you must install a 2.6.12 kernel before proceding. The recommended way to do this is to download a linux-image-2.6.12-1 .deb for your arch from packages.debian.org and installing it with dpkg -i |
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| 21:32.45 | EdgEy | wow, people actually need a message for that? |
| 21:33.07 | EdgEy | metaperl, erm |
| 21:33.08 | caphuso | metaperl: i don't think there is one |
| 21:33.12 | caphuso | at least no easy one |
| 21:33.13 | EdgEy | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12 blah |
| 21:33.15 | Miesco | http://channels.debian.net/paste/772 |
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| 21:33.28 | EdgEy | sid has .12 methinks not sure about testing |
| 21:33.29 | abrotman | or linux-image-2.6-cpu |
| 21:33.43 | caphuso | EdgEy: that will still abort because of udev |
| 21:33.44 | bernouli | i just install debian and get this error eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device, what is happen? |
| 21:33.51 | streuner | testing/etch has a 2.6.12 kernel as well |
| 21:34.59 | nyterukh_ | should i user single user or multi user on a new install |
| 21:35.29 | cahoot | Miesco: no alsa modules loaded - you do run a debian kernel i e not self compiled? |
| 21:35.41 | Miesco | cahoot: Yea |
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| 21:35.59 | cahoot | Miesco: try to run alsaconf |
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| 21:36.58 | Miesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.24 | streuner | bernouli: what do you get with 'ifconfig' ? |
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| 21:38.07 | cahoot | Miesco: what soundcard do you have? |
| 21:38.10 | Miesco | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 21:38.22 | zebalin2 | I want to buy laptop to run Debian from Sid. Can you recommend a wireless pcmcia card (brand) that will work well? |
| 21:38.40 | cahoot | Miesco: try modprobe snd-intel-8x0 |
| 21:38.46 | zebalin2 | Need it for airports and other hot spots. |
| 21:38.56 | jdhutchin1 | zebalin2, you have to do your research- there is no real one brand that works well |
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| 21:39.06 | jdhutchin1 | zebalin2, each brand uses a number of different chipsets in different cards |
| 21:39.07 | Miesco | modprobe: Can't locate module snd-intel-8x0 |
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| 21:39.33 | zebalin2 | I don't know much about wireless,chipsets, etc. ( I know Atheos is good and broadcome is not so good!) |
| 21:39.51 | cahoot | Miesco: you installed alsa packages? which ones? |
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| 21:39.57 | jdhutchin1 | zebalin2, yeah, basically that, and before you buy a card, google it and find out what chipset it has |
| 21:40.02 | Miesco | alsa-base, alsa-utils |
| 21:40.13 | tarzeau | does someone also use some audio player and cron for an alarm clock? |
| 21:40.16 | Miesco | alsa hasn't worked yet though, only oss has worked |
| 21:40.16 | jaaro | Did anyone manage to set up working pubkey authentication with ssh? |
| 21:40.24 | zebalin2 | I just figured I'd get what someone else has had good luck with. Just need it for the airport. |
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| 21:40.34 | azeem | jaaro: pretty certainly, yes |
| 21:40.52 | jaaro | I carefully followed steps in some howtos but I must be missing something as it won't work for me. |
| 21:41.04 | cahoot | Miesco: this is a 2.4.xx kernel or what? |
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| 21:41.13 | Miesco | Yea |
| 21:41.23 | Miesco | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 21:41.35 | bernouli | i have "alias eth0 3c59x" in /etc/modules.conf, but my network card wont work |
| 21:41.49 | cahoot | Miesco: you need alsa-modules installed too |
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| 21:42.17 | nicooo | Helllo |
| 21:42.17 | nicooo | I need to kill all application that use the port 25 how to do that please |
| 21:42.20 | Miesco | cahoot, okay, getting them |
| 21:42.41 | bernouli | anyone can help? |
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| 21:42.51 | Miesco | When it configured the modules I got these: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/updates/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o |
| 21:42.56 | ke6isf | nicooo: Port 25 is SMTP, so it's either postfix, exim, qmail, sendmail, or something like that. Do 'lsof -i4:25'. |
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| 21:43.12 | Miesco | Wait, I think alsaconf is working now |
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| 21:43.45 | mmiikkee12 | I need a way to install Debian using only floppies and an ISO on the hard drive (not burned to a CD). |
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| 21:44.11 | metaperl | this new kernel seems lightning fast |
| 21:44.29 | mmiikkee12 | Anyone know how to do that? |
| 21:44.36 | tarzeau | nicooo: pkill -9 `lsof -i | grep smtp | awk '{print $2}'` |
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| 21:44.40 | tarzeau | nicooo: but why? |
| 21:44.54 | nicooo | ke6isf> thanks |
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| 21:44.57 | ke6isf | Time to take the recycs in... |
| 21:45.00 | Miesco | alsamixer works now |
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| 21:45.07 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: look at the debian wiki .. wiki.debian.net or something like that |
| 21:45.11 | bernouli | i get this error SIOCSIFADDR: No such device while configuring my eth, what have i done wrong? |
| 21:45.13 | tarzeau | nicooo: maybe also add another |grep LISTEN |
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| 21:45.19 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: boot off of the floppies, mount the iso through a loopback, and install. Of course, if you're asking that question, you're probably better off just using the floopies and doing a net install. |
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| 21:45.28 | tarzeau | ke6isf: not necessarily |
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| 21:45.32 | Miesco | Okay, sound works, thanks! |
| 21:45.33 | isso | hey can anybody help me configuring the X server!? PLZ |
| 21:45.33 | tarzeau | ke6isf: anything could be running on port 25 |
| 21:45.46 | tarzeau | !PLZ |
| 21:45.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 21:45.51 | isso | !PLZ |
| 21:45.56 | isso | !help |
| 21:46.02 | streuner | isso: what does 'lspci -v | grep VGA' say? |
| 21:46.02 | dondelelcaro | isso: you can /msg the bot |
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| 21:46.26 | isso | dondelelcaro how do I do that!? |
| 21:46.31 | mmiikkee12 | figures. the page i need doesn't exist. |
| 21:46.33 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.40 | Miesco | alsa is pretty |
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| 21:46.52 | xerophyte | good mp3 player for linux i mean xmms does not wanna play |
| 21:47.02 | mmiikkee12 | oh, it's wiki.debian.net |
| 21:47.15 | tarzeau | xerophyte: was that a question |
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| 21:47.16 | Miesco | alsa just changed my life |
| 21:47.22 | Mr_Morden | mmiikkee12: http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
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| 21:48.39 | nachux | there is somebody interested in a project of publicos terminals of Internet in Chile? |
| 21:48.40 | isso | algum BRASILEIRO aqui!? |
| 21:48.45 | mmiikkee12 | no net access |
| 21:48.48 | nyterukh | damn |
| 21:48.56 | streuner | !br |
| 21:48.56 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:49.00 | mmiikkee12 | >>Mr_Morden |
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| 21:50.23 | isso | Can anybody help me how to configure the X Server? It says my mother-board is not well configured, how do I change that!? |
| 21:50.36 | streuner | isso: what does 'lspci -v | grep VGA' say? |
| 21:50.54 | streuner | !tell streuner about repeat |
| 21:50.54 | dany | dpki |
| 21:50.56 | streuner | ;-) |
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| 21:51.09 | dany | commande pour le robot |
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| 21:51.39 | dany | robot commander |
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| 21:51.54 | isso | streuner what is that man? I´m sorry Im noob =(... |
| 21:52.00 | isso | Im on windows right now |
| 21:52.24 | streuner | isso: connect your debian box to internet and come back |
| 21:52.38 | streuner | isso: or does the internet doesn't work as well? |
| 21:52.52 | isso | streuner I don´t know how to do that.... |
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| 21:53.03 | mmiikkee12 | don't see anything on that in the wiki |
| 21:53.06 | isso | streuner all I have is the OS installed... |
| 21:53.06 | Mr_Morden | isso: How do you start xwindows? |
| 21:53.19 | azeem | mmiikkee12: 23:43 < Mr_Morden> mmiikkee12: http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 21:53.37 | mmiikkee12 | mmiikkee12no net access |
| 21:53.45 | fwtest | what is wrong if i get error cant'open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6...../modules.dep ? |
| 21:53.47 | azeem | mmiikkee12: so how can you look at the wiki? |
| 21:53.48 | mmiikkee12 | did you even read that page? |
| 21:53.51 | isso | streuner does this help? xf86cfg -textmode] |
| 21:53.59 | streuner | isso: no |
| 21:53.59 | mmiikkee12 | no net access in linux |
| 21:54.03 | mmiikkee12 | on windows now |
| 21:54.20 | isso | streuner so, what should I do |
| 21:54.24 | mmiikkee12 | fwtest: did you do make modules_install? |
| 21:54.26 | Mr_Morden | why not burning a bootable cd/dvd/netinstall cd then? |
| 21:54.26 | streuner | isso: How do you connected to i-net at all? via hardware-router? |
| 21:54.29 | azeem | mmiikkee12: you can at least start hte install from a USB stick after booting from floppy |
| 21:54.44 | mmiikkee12 | azeem: read the question. |
| 21:54.53 | mmiikkee12 | I need a way to install Debian using *only floppies and an ISO on the hard drive (not burned to a CD).* |
| 21:55.00 | azeem | mmiikkee12: "at least" |
| 21:55.07 | isso | streuner I have a LAN, a modem-router and a HUB |
| 21:55.09 | azeem | mmiikkee12: so read up on that, and see whether it works with CD |
| 21:55.15 | azeem | mmiikkee12: if not, you're doomed I guess |
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| 21:55.26 | mmiikkee12 | i don't have a cd burner |
| 21:55.35 | mmiikkee12 | or a usb drive |
| 21:55.48 | fwtest | miikkeel2, i install debian from cd, when should that command be executed? i skip install base system because it couldnt find my network card |
| 21:55.52 | welson | mmiikkee12, so you have no niccard or you do there? |
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| 21:55.56 | Mr_Morden | then it's bad luck I tend to think @mmiikkee |
| 21:56.12 | mmiikkee12 | welson: it's an unsupported usb modem |
| 21:56.18 | streuner | isso: and modem-router is connected to your debian-box OR do you use DUAL-Boot? |
| 21:56.28 | fwtest | how can i go back to that install menu? |
| 21:56.28 | mmiikkee12 | fwtest: then you should install the base system |
| 21:56.31 | azeem | mmiikkee12: oh, an ISO image? Then you're out of luck I guess, sorry |
| 21:56.33 | welson | mmiikkee12, then you seem unsupported, put in a functional one then |
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| 21:56.40 | mmiikkee12 | base-config new as root |
| 21:56.50 | Mr_Morden | or get a friend burning you the cd |
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| 21:57.10 | mmiikkee12 | bah... |
| 21:57.17 | isso | streuner dual boot |
| 21:57.18 | fwtest | but it cant load my nic, what should i do then, it want to connect to internet on apt step |
| 21:57.27 | isso | streuner grub |
| 21:57.38 | streuner | isso: ok, just find a driver for your modem |
| 21:57.46 | isso | but how? |
| 21:57.48 | mmiikkee12 | fwtest: select CD-ROM or local filesystem |
| 21:57.55 | isso | streuner but how? On windows ? |
| 21:58.01 | tarzeau | ahhh aumix -vNN and pkill/madplay will be my new alaramclock, in cron |
| 21:58.09 | streuner | isso: modem-router, is that a Hardware-Router? |
| 21:58.10 | mmiikkee12 | if you select local filesystem, then type in /mnt/cdrom |
| 21:58.21 | mmiikkee12 | try CD-ROM first |
| 21:58.24 | fwtest | mmiikkee2, but i have internet connection,how can i tell him to load my nic? |
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| 21:58.36 | mmiikkee12 | what nic is it? |
| 21:58.37 | tarzeau | streuner: were you able to edit? i forgot to tell you i did add you |
| 21:58.56 | fwtest | mmiikkeel2, it should be 3c95x |
| 21:59.08 | streuner | tarzeau: yes |
| 21:59.19 | isso | streuner yep |
| 21:59.20 | mmiikkee12 | try 3c509 |
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| 21:59.26 | mmiikkee12 | or 905 |
| 21:59.30 | fwtest | hw can i try that? |
| 21:59.33 | mmiikkee12 | i forget which one it is |
| 21:59.34 | fwtest | where should i type? |
| 21:59.44 | mmiikkee12 | does it give you a list of drivers? |
| 21:59.45 | streuner | isso: whats the exact name of the modem-router? |
| 21:59.52 | Deek | 59x? |
| 21:59.54 | mmiikkee12 | no, wait... |
| 21:59.56 | fwtest | mmiikkeel2, no |
| 21:59.59 | mmiikkee12 | yes, that's it |
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| 22:00.24 | mmiikkee12 | before you run base-config new, type modprobe 3c59x |
| 22:00.29 | streuner | isso: did you need any additional drivers in windows to connect via your modem-router? |
| 22:00.33 | mmiikkee12 | see what it says |
| 22:00.35 | welson | mmiikkee12, look into plip |
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| 22:00.40 | Eiscreme | hi |
| 22:00.40 | isso | streuner LAM300C by LG |
| 22:00.52 | fwtest | mmiikkeell2, i can not, it said /lib/modules/....mod.dep not found |
| 22:01.33 | Eiscreme | I have 2 directories with near the same content. How can I check recursivly what other / new files there are (so, files that exist in one of both directories which do not exist in the other one) |
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| 22:01.45 | Eiscreme | and also check for files with the same name BUT a different content |
| 22:01.49 | Eiscreme | so altered files |
| 22:02.08 | isso | streuner I got some help here, I will restart and try to do what they told me.. thanks a lot man!! |
| 22:02.37 | mmiikkee12 | welson: it's usb |
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| 22:02.48 | fwtest | ' /lib/modules/2.6...../modules.dep not found |
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| 22:03.15 | welson | mmiikkee12, what's the mobo? |
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| 22:03.21 | mmiikkee12 | fwtest: do ls /usr/src/linux |
| 22:03.34 | mmiikkee12 | not sure |
| 22:03.44 | welson | mmiikkee12, then I can't help you |
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| 22:03.47 | mmiikkee12 | what am i using plip for? |
| 22:03.57 | fwtest | miikkeel2, not found, i just have an empty /usr/src |
| 22:04.02 | welson | mmiikkee12, google it or wikipedia it |
| 22:04.02 | mmiikkee12 | ok... |
| 22:04.08 | fwtest | i suggest i reinstall that system |
| 22:04.19 | mmiikkee12 | yes, but what use would it be? it's a usb modem |
| 22:04.28 | welson | mmiikkee12, rtfm |
| 22:04.31 | mmiikkee12 | fwtest: uname -a: |
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| 22:04.38 | mmiikkee12 | without the colon |
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| 22:04.58 | fwtest | linux cactus 2.6.13-8-default #1 date time i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:05.05 | welson | mmiikkee12, you need to know your hardware, period |
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| 22:05.23 | tereais | can anyone give me a hand with an error i'm getting when comipling the epsilon lib? the autogen script doesn't see libpng, but when i run pkg-config i see it |
| 22:05.23 | mmiikkee12 | hmmm. |
| 22:05.28 | mmiikkee12 | what's the full error? |
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| 22:05.39 | tereais | ./configure: line 21586: syntax error near unexpected token `PNG,' |
| 22:05.40 | tereais | ./configure: line 21586: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(PNG, libpng12 >= 1.2.0,' |
| 22:05.42 | welson | mmiikkee12, msinfo tells you |
| 22:05.54 | mmiikkee12 | welson: plip would not be useful. i don't use my parallel port. |
| 22:05.54 | fwtest | mmiikkell2, error of whta? |
| 22:06.04 | mmiikkee12 | the modules.dep not found one |
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| 22:07.35 | mmiikkee12 | and oddly enough i don't have msinfo. |
| 22:07.35 | welson | mmiikkee12, well not bothering to find out anything about your hardware isn't helpful either |
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| 22:07.36 | mmiikkee12 | i don't have msinfo on my computer...? |
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| 22:08.05 | welson | mmiikkee12, so you have no OS? get a minimum linux-distro and find out the hardware |
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| 22:08.14 | mmiikkee12 | i have windows... |
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| 22:08.31 | fwtest | modprobe: Cant' open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6.13-8-default/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 22:08.34 | mmiikkee12 | what am i going through this trouble for, first? |
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| 22:08.39 | welson | mmiikkee12, what is windows? there's like 20 versions.. |
| 22:08.48 | mmiikkee12 | windows me |
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| 22:09.29 | mmiikkee12 | fwtest: what does ls /lib/modules say? |
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| 22:09.33 | welson | mmiikkee12, it may be the same name (start/run->msinfo) |
| 22:09.48 | mmiikkee12 | it tells me it couldn't find it |
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| 22:10.21 | mrrangerman | its msconfig |
| 22:10.23 | fwtest | i have /lib/moduleS/2.4.27.-2-386 |
| 22:10.24 | welson | mmiikkee12, or msinfo32 |
| 22:10.30 | fwtest | dont have that -default one |
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| 22:11.05 | welson | mmiikkee12, what is this a compaq? |
| 22:11.13 | mmiikkee12 | gateway |
| 22:11.16 | fwtest | why should modprobe read file from other folder? why can i tell modprobe to read file from other folder? |
| 22:11.21 | mmiikkee12 | rather onld one |
| 22:11.26 | mmiikkee12 | *old |
| 22:11.47 | mmiikkee12 | fwtest: because that's the kernel uou're running |
| 22:11.52 | mmiikkee12 | you're |
| 22:12.01 | welson | mmiikkee12, google or use the helper, the interface should show your devices somewhere--possibly control panel.. |
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| 22:12.18 | zxsykco | device manager .. |
| 22:12.22 | fwtest | mmiikkeel2, but there is no such directory where modprobe want to look the file for |
| 22:12.28 | welson | mmiikkee12, you might have to go with explorer and find msinfo* something.. |
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| 22:12.34 | mmiikkee12 | i know |
| 22:12.36 | justin | fwtest: where did you get this 2.6.13-8-default from? |
| 22:12.38 | mrrangerman | what you lookin for? |
| 22:12.39 | mmiikkee12 | msinfo32 works |
| 22:12.51 | mmiikkee12 | justin: that's his kernel |
| 22:12.56 | welson | mmiikkee12, so write down your hardware on a piece of paper..then come back here.. |
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| 22:13.40 | mmiikkee12 | any idea where motherboard is? |
| 22:13.59 | welson | mmiikkee12, write down your hardware! |
| 22:14.06 | fwtest | justin, from modprobe |
| 22:14.13 | mmiikkee12 | i am |
| 22:14.18 | welson | good |
| 22:14.20 | welson | :) |
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| 22:14.46 | justin | fwtest: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 22:15.15 | fwtest | justin, nvm i reinstall it now :) |
| 22:15.18 | silverton | hmm, okay, my ipod will detect on my debian sarge install, but not my debian etch install... |
| 22:15.35 | silverton | I get an address'ing error in dmesg when I connect it to the etch box |
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| 22:16.11 | whitehorse1 | Question re developing, under Linux. Can anyone recommend a suitable program (IDE I guess) to code in please? Perl & C++/QT3-4 I guess would be the languages if that makes any difference. To clarify - I'm looking for recommendations of programs so I can learn to code, patch open-source things etc. I've no serious programming knowledge yet. In time I'd want to use a plain ol' text editor, emacs or whatever but at this stage I'll need training |
| 22:16.12 | whitehorse1 | wheels!! :o) In WinXP I initially used the design view of Dreamweaver and its tools to help write (X)HTML; as I learnt more though I was able to just write the code myself in code view & it was cleaner. Right now though I need to start the long process of learning how to code/debug stuff. |
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| 22:16.34 | whitehorse1 | Typed more than I thought. |looks sheepish| |
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| 22:16.49 | Waro4 | hi all |
| 22:16.55 | Waro4 | whee! looks like they updated the cd vendors list with my info! :) |
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| 22:17.35 | gaasfet | alsa-probelm compiling cvs alsa modules version conflict GCC 3.3 to 4.0 |
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| 22:19.52 | mmiikkee12 | welson: what exactly do you need? |
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| 22:20.06 | mmiikkee12 | msinfo32 locks up on certain pages |
| 22:20.06 | GubbleBum | Whenever I start my debian box, inetd vsftpd thttpd and atd all start...and I don't want them to. How can I change this? |
| 22:20.50 | welson | mmiikkee12, so what is the usb modem really? |
| 22:21.03 | mmiikkee12 | westell 6100 |
| 22:21.10 | welson | mmiikkee12, and the mobo? |
| 22:21.13 | mmiikkee12 | (let me guess. get a net card.) |
| 22:21.22 | nyterukh | bbl |
| 22:21.34 | mmiikkee12 | hang on, i'll pastebin what i've beat out of msinfo32 so far |
| 22:21.44 | whitehorse1 | Nobody has any suggestions of a software package? No-one? :-< |
| 22:21.46 | welson | mmiikkee12, if there are not good details, try aida32 with a dos bootdisk |
| 22:21.58 | mmiikkee12 | http://pastebin.com/373205 |
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| 22:22.24 | Miesco | Whats CVS? |
| 22:22.35 | Miesco | I dont know what concurrent means |
| 22:22.56 | GubbleBum | The Concurrent Versions System (CVS), also known as the Concurrent Versioning System, implements a version control system: it keeps track of all work and all changes in a set of files, typically the implementation of a software project, and allows several (potentially widely separated) developers to collaborate. CVS has become popular in the open-source world. CVS is released under the GNU General Public License. |
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| 22:23.04 | mmiikkee12 | !cvs |
| 22:23.05 | dpkg | it has been said that cvs is the Concurrent Versions System -- an RCS extension. ; see(cvs-buildpackage ; cvs-pcl ; cvsweb) or a giant pharmacy corporation or developed at http://www.cyclic.com/, or has a faq at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/fom-serve/cache/1.html, or good documentation can be found at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html |
| 22:23.05 | Kraig | Blissex: you around? |
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| 22:23.16 | whitehorse1 | Miesco: Concurrent Versioning System or somesuch. Basically used for software development to upload new code to on a project to be compiled; it allows concurrent (at the same time) work to go on and not overlap messily; in theory. |
| 22:23.35 | welson | mmiikkee12, you need to see the system page or Hardware page, there's nothing about your peripherals and systemboard |
| 22:23.41 | Waro4 | question, if a client computer has an address of 27-87-98-2.kntnny.adelphia.net, what kind of address is that? |
| 22:23.52 | Kraig | DNS? |
| 22:23.53 | Waro4 | Where the IP address is 27.87.92.2 |
| 22:24.01 | welson | mmiikkee12, as I said earlier, you can try aida32 on a bootdisk and it'll tell you everything.. |
| 22:24.05 | Waro4 | Nono, there is a special name for it. |
| 22:24.06 | mmiikkee12 | Waro4: sounds like a hostmask |
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| 22:24.13 | mmiikkee12 | hold on |
| 22:24.24 | Waro4 | mmiikkee12 hostmask is something like 255.255.255.0, so that is not it. |
| 22:24.57 | silverton | this is so much bullshit >.< |
| 22:24.58 | Waro4 | at least i think :) |
| 22:24.58 | welson | mmiikkee12, systeminfo is another command if i remember well.. |
| 22:25.02 | mmiikkee12 | a hostmask is like *picks random user |
| 22:25.03 | Kraig | Waro4: i bet #tcpip or #networking knows. |
| 22:25.04 | mmiikkee12 | n=wyattgoe@dial-in-66-218-59-92.dslextreme.com |
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| 22:25.39 | mmiikkee12 | ok, can i ask what this is all for? |
| 22:25.52 | Kraig | Waro4: or you meant something like reverse ns ? |
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| 22:25.57 | Uchiha | will the modem in my mac mini work with debian? |
| 22:26.00 | mmiikkee12 | before i spend the night plucking system info from a faulty windows app |
| 22:26.09 | Waro4 | Kraig no i just need to know the name of it :) |
| 22:26.21 | welson | mmiikkee12, your system is not that bad considering celeron @ 700mhz.. |
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| 22:26.30 | whitehorse1 | Can anyone recommend a suitable program (IDE I guess) to [learn to] code in please? Perl & C++/QT3-4 languages if it makes any difference. If I was going to try Java (though I'm not) maybe Codeweaver'd be selected; well, if I could afford it. That sort've thing. I'm wanting to learn so emacs/vi/kate wouldn't work for me as I need the training wheels of an equivalent to Dreamweaver for (X)HTML I think. |
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| 22:26.41 | mmiikkee12 | wow, a complement on my computer! |
| 22:26.45 | mmiikkee12 | that's new |
| 22:26.45 | fabri918 | ola |
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| 22:26.55 | fabri918 | ALGUEM QUER TC? |
| 22:27.07 | Shadowcat | !english |
| 22:27.07 | dpkg | well, english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 22:27.08 | fabri918 | OI |
| 22:27.10 | welson | mmiikkee12, I got debian functional with a pentium 266mhz.. |
| 22:27.19 | Shadowcat | welson: that's no feat |
| 22:27.19 | mmiikkee12 | hmmm. |
| 22:27.20 | Uchiha | ha |
| 22:27.21 | azeem | whitehorse1: why wouldn't emacs work for you if you want to learn? |
| 22:27.21 | welson | p2 actually |
| 22:27.28 | fabri918 | FALA AE GENTE |
| 22:27.29 | Uchiha | I did it with a 75MHz pentium! |
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| 22:27.34 | Shadowcat | !french |
| 22:27.35 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
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| 22:27.41 | DoppelGanger | !br |
| 22:27.42 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:27.43 | welson | Shadowcat, it's not supposed to be, but this one is old |
| 22:27.49 | mmiikkee12 | anyway, what's the system info for? |
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| 22:27.58 | whitehorse1 | azeem: I'm looking for recommendations of programs so I can learn to code, patch open-source things etc. I've no serious programming knowledge yet. In time I'd want to use a plain ol' text editor, emacs or whatever but at this stage I'll need training wheels. In WinXP I initially used the design view of Dreamweaver and its tools to help write (X)HTML; as I learnt more though I was able to just write the code myself in code view & it was cleaner |
| 22:27.58 | whitehorse1 | Right now though I need to start the long process of learning how to code/debug stuff. |
| 22:27.59 | Uchiha | actually it was a 74MHz pentium. |
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| 22:28.01 | Shadowcat | DoppelGanger: ok so I was close :P |
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| 22:28.06 | DoppelGanger | ha ah |
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| 22:28.24 | welson | mmiikkee12, well it'll help alot, so you better get the basics.. |
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| 22:28.27 | Uchiha | DoppelGanger: change your name... |
| 22:28.33 | Kraig | so, if i screwed lilo and i can recover it with the install CD without screwing the current installation? |
| 22:28.38 | azeem | whitehorse1: learning how to code/debug stuff is independent from the IDE/editor you use |
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| 22:28.40 | mmiikkee12 | but what exactly are we doing...? |
| 22:28.41 | DoppelGanger | Uchiha: why? |
| 22:28.45 | azeem | IMHO |
| 22:28.46 | mmiikkee12 | i actually forgot |
| 22:28.52 | welson | mmiikkee12, the basics are- systemboard make/model, netcard type, and bios revision #.. |
| 22:28.52 | Uchiha | They're not called DoppelGangers.... |
| 22:28.58 | azeem | something with PLIP |
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| 22:29.13 | DoppelGanger | Uchiha: then what are they called then |
| 22:29.16 | zxsykco | Use pascal, delphi, kylix, freepascal or something like that whitehorse! |
| 22:29.17 | welson | mmiikkee12, if I were you, i'd first see if there's an bios revision upgrade available.. |
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| 22:29.35 | Uchiha | DoppelGanger: Kage Bunshin |
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| 22:29.47 | Kraig | no IDE, just vimtutor and that's it, for learning go pic an online tut and practice with it. |
| 22:29.49 | fabri918 | SOMEBODY SAYS PORTUGUESE? |
| 22:29.50 | mmiikkee12 | 1999, wow |
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| 22:29.58 | mmiikkee12 | !portuguese |
| 22:29.58 | dpkg | [portuguese] the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:30.09 | fabri918 | SOMEBODY SAYS PORTUGUESE? |
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| 22:30.22 | Uchiha | DoppelGanger: Tajuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu is the mass shadow clone technique |
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| 22:30.30 | DoppelGanger | fabri918: va a #debian-br para ajuda |
| 22:30.34 | Elly | hmm |
| 22:30.36 | Elly | I'm still on X-Chat 2.4.1 |
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| 22:30.38 | Elly | even though I upgraded to testing |
| 22:30.40 | Uchiha | not Doppelgangers... |
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| 22:31.44 | Uchiha | will the modem in my mac mini work with debian? |
| 22:31.44 | fabri918 | THANK YOU |
| 22:31.58 | fabri918 | SOMEBODY SAYS PORTUGUESE? |
| 22:32.00 | Kraig | i screwed lilo and when i start i only see L 99 (and a lot more 99), i found a debian install but i hope this doesn't screw up my current installation,right? |
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| 22:32.19 | azeem | fabri918: don't use CAPS |
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| 22:32.29 | fabri918 | sorry |
| 22:32.31 | Elly | there we go |
| 22:32.32 | whitehorse1 | azeem: The website for CodeWarrior for Linux explains why someone'd use that tool: "...is for programmers who want to focus on their applications, not on their tools. The project manager removes the complexity of setting up projects through configurable project creation wizards and an integrated build system, and a tightly coupled editor and debug system completes the development experience" I won't be doing anything Java-y but the points are th |
| 22:32.32 | whitehorse1 | same. |
| 22:32.33 | Elly | where did I get all these new programs? |
| 22:32.37 | Uchiha | will the modem in my mac mini work with debian? |
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| 22:32.38 | Elly | KGet, KMail, KNewsTicker, etc etc |
| 22:32.49 | mmiikkee12 | Elly: KDE |
| 22:32.50 | zxsykco | kubuntu-desktop |
| 22:32.55 | Elly | I don't want them ;\ |
| 22:33.01 | Elly | they weren't installed before I went to testing |
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| 22:33.06 | fabri918 | for what! I cannot use caps? |
| 22:33.06 | whitehorse1 | Elly: Welcome back |
| 22:33.14 | kataklysm | what is Hurd? what is the version #? 3.2 ? |
| 22:33.14 | azeem | fabri918: it's considered rude |
| 22:33.18 | Uchiha | will the modem in my mac mini work with debian? |
| 22:33.20 | azeem | kataklysm: 0.3 |
| 22:33.25 | whitehorse1 | Elly Did my advice help; you got Azareus working? :) |
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| 22:33.29 | baz | Uchiha: you have OSX and you want to use debian? |
| 22:33.37 | kataklysm | azeem: 0.3? is it a new distro? |
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| 22:33.42 | Elly | hmm |
| 22:33.47 | Elly | aptitude wants to remove 132 packages if I remove kget |
| 22:33.49 | Elly | impressive |
| 22:33.50 | azeem | kataklysm: huh? What are you talking about? |
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| 22:33.55 | Uchiha | baz: Did you just answer a question with a question? |
| 22:33.57 | Uchiha | will the modem in my mac mini work with debian? |
| 22:34.02 | whitehorse1 | zamolxes: I though Pascal was a programming language (and not used for most software) not an 'IDE' |
| 22:34.03 | mmiikkee12 | azeem, welson: what do you need the system info for? |
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| 22:34.11 | azeem | mmiikkee12: I don't need it :) |
| 22:34.11 | Elly | why the hell does it think these packages are unused?? |
| 22:34.15 | silverton | can anyone help me with my usb issue? my ipod doesn't want to get detect.. |
| 22:34.18 | mmiikkee12 | ok, welsom |
| 22:34.18 | Elly | I want xmms and vim and so on |
| 22:34.21 | mmiikkee12 | welson |
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| 22:34.22 | kataklysm | azeem: i am just looking at the deb ftp, and i see hurd, but i dont know if its newer than sarge, or what it even is.. |
| 22:34.28 | welson | mmiikkee12, you still on this crap? |
| 22:34.32 | azeem | kataklysm: uhm, where? |
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| 22:34.42 | whitehorse1 | Elly sounds like you have a mix of software from different repositories p'raps |
| 22:34.43 | welson | mmiikkee12, read above |
| 22:34.44 | azeem | welson: you told him to, without giving any rationale |
| 22:34.47 | Elly | almost definitely |
| 22:34.50 | Miesco | Elly, dont hit g |
| 22:34.53 | Elly | how do I fix that? |
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| 22:34.54 | welson | azeem, ahem i did |
| 22:34.55 | silverton | the ipod gets detected just fine with sarge, but it's not working with etch |
| 22:34.55 | mmiikkee12 | welson: why are you asking for it? |
| 22:34.55 | kataklysm | azeem: http://debian.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/hurd/ |
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| 22:35.00 | Elly | I probably installed that stuff while I was using stable |
| 22:35.06 | baz | Uchiha: did you just answer a question with a question? :) |
| 22:35.06 | Miesco | elly, I had to reinstall two times cause I hit g |
| 22:35.08 | welson | mmiikkee12, read above -->I mention why |
| 22:35.13 | Elly | but I did aptitude update-dist, I think |
| 22:35.15 | Elly | earlier |
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| 22:35.20 | Elly | so why does it want to remove all these |
| 22:35.26 | Uchiha | will the modem in my mac mini work with debian? |
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| 22:35.44 | azeem | kataklysm: those are outdated (from 2002/2003) |
| 22:35.45 | Kraig | Uchiha: lspci + google might help you. |
| 22:35.47 | Miesco | Elly: Hit g once, collapse everything and for each group hit the - key |
| 22:35.49 | Elly | whitehorse1, how do I fix this? I don't want to uninstall all my stuff |
| 22:35.51 | whitehorse1 | Elly oh. well, it'll remove xfree86 in favour of xserver-org for example etc etc |
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| 22:35.55 | mmiikkee12 | !repeat Uchiha |
| 22:35.58 | azeem | kataklysm: see http://hurd.gnu.org for information about the Hurd |
| 22:36.01 | Elly | so...this will take a while then |
| 22:36.02 | sedeki | how can i see if a network link is established? |
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| 22:36.06 | sedeki | hardwired |
| 22:36.11 | silverton | sedeki, ifconfig ethX |
| 22:36.12 | mmiikkee12 | this? welsonmmiikkee12, well it'll help alot, so you better get the basics.. |
| 22:36.17 | roby | Why PHP4 wants apache-common when apache2-common is available? |
| 22:36.17 | whitehorse1 | Nobody has any suggestions of a software package? No-one? :-< |
| 22:36.17 | zxsykco | When you remove a program I'm assuming that apt-get checks only the packages removed and not the remaining packages dependencies. |
| 22:36.27 | welson | mmiikkee12, yes, the reason why is because it'll help |
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| 22:36.35 | azeem | welson: help for what? |
| 22:36.35 | mmiikkee12 | help with what though? |
| 22:36.40 | sedeki | silverton, i mean if it has contact under IP level |
| 22:36.44 | welson | azeem, help for what he wanna do |
| 22:36.52 | Elly | that did nothing |
| 22:36.54 | mmiikkee12 | which is... |
| 22:36.58 | silverton | sedeki, ifconfig should show you |
| 22:36.59 | roby | zxsykco: i think it checks dependencies too, cus i remember i did an uninstann and it said it's removing a non-needed one too |
| 22:37.03 | welson | mmiikkee12, fine, i'm :| |
| 22:37.07 | Elly | but if I hit aptitude purge kget, then it wants to remove a ton of stuff |
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| 22:37.13 | whitehorse1 | Elly, are you wanting to carry on using KDE? |
| 22:37.16 | Elly | no |
| 22:37.18 | Elly | I hate KDE |
| 22:37.27 | Kraig | \m/ |
| 22:37.28 | whitehorse1 | Elly woah. |
| 22:37.31 | Elly | but I don't want it to remove xmms and vim and so on, those are on its hit list |
| 22:37.31 | Blissex | Kraig: still here> |
| 22:37.41 | mmiikkee12 | welson: i'd like to know how my motherboard model will help with installing from an iso. |
| 22:37.44 | welson | I guess there are those in the world who know it all and those who ask questions with sporatic anemia* |
| 22:37.45 | whitehorse1 | Elly I thought last night you wanted to use Azareus torrent software |
| 22:37.56 | Elly | whitehorse1, yeah, but that's different |
| 22:38.00 | welson | ?:/ |
| 22:38.02 | Elly | now I'm trying to get rid of KDE and free some disk up |
| 22:38.03 | mareprost | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:38.12 | Elly | so I tried removing kget and now it wants to remove 132 packages |
| 22:38.16 | kataklysm | azeem: from what i gather hurd is just a replacement for a kernel, and the actual OS is called GNU Mach. correct?? what is this 4 cds on debians mirrors though??? |
| 22:38.25 | azeem | kataklysm: wrong |
| 22:38.35 | kataklysm | azeem: ok what is it then |
| 22:38.35 | Kraig | Blissex: i found a CD, but i'm wondering what's next... i went through the main menu and end confused about if for fixing lilo i'd need to work on that partition and make some changes, am i wrong? |
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| 22:38.51 | mmiikkee12 | welson: i demand an answer :P |
| 22:38.52 | zxsykco | If you do not want kdm kde and Ketc installed try sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop! |
| 22:38.57 | Blissex | Kraig: no, thats right. |
| 22:39.01 | whitehorse1 | Elly I got rid of Gnome just fine; some Gnome packages remain though. For example, GTK (kind've a library programmers use) ties into some Gnome stuff, I kept that. The general Gnome desktop & programs though - removed. |
| 22:39.03 | Blissex | Kraig: which CD did you find? |
| 22:39.04 | welson | mmiikkee12, rtfm |
| 22:39.20 | azeem | kataklysm: the Hurd is a set of user space servers, which, together with the underlying microkernel (GNU Mach) and parts of the C library (GNU libc) provide the traditional services of a Unix kernel |
| 22:39.24 | mmiikkee12 | there's nothing in there for this that works |
| 22:39.29 | whitehorse1 | zamolxes: Try another IRC channel. Oh, and sell crazy somewhere else - we're all stocked up here |
| 22:39.37 | Kraig | Blissex: debian3.1-r0a i386 netinst |
| 22:39.38 | azeem | kataklysm: what you pointed at above is an old snapshot of Debian GNU/Hurd |
| 22:39.38 | zxsykco | That will get rid of all kde kdm related materials. |
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| 22:39.56 | zxsykco | And ubuntu-desktop has gnome and gdm in it! |
| 22:40.00 | bowman | I'm having some trouble on a laptop with synaptics touchpad, X says "Cannot open device /dev/psaux" - which device do I have to use? |
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| 22:40.17 | sether | bowman: try /dev/input/mice |
| 22:40.22 | welson | mmiikkee12, HAL |
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| 22:40.41 | azeem | zxsykco: there's no kubuntu-desktop in Debian |
| 22:40.43 | Blissex | Kraig: ah thats good. |
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| 22:40.58 | mmiikkee12 | welson: Holland-America Line? |
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| 22:41.01 | whitehorse1 | zamolxes: No it won't idiot. Ubuntu and Kubuntu its sister project have nothing to do with thios channel so cease and desist in discussing it. Try #ubuntu - clue is in the name. It matters not that ubuntu is based on Debian. So is Linspire. So was Gentoo. And THEY'RE off topic for #debian too. |
| 22:41.12 | Kraig | Blissex: but i don't wanna loose my past installation... |
| 22:41.13 | bowman | sether: same error |
| 22:41.14 | zxsykco | Oops. I thought I was on another channel. |
| 22:41.18 | zxsykco | My fault. |
| 22:41.22 | azeem | zxsykco: no problem |
| 22:41.25 | roby | Nevermind, I figured out the php4 thing |
| 22:41.28 | welson | mmiikkee12, that's an acronym, go read up about it, that's the answer to your question+stubborness to curve your head from the ms world |
| 22:41.31 | Blissex | Kraig: but you can just fix the LILO problem... |
| 22:41.38 | whitehorse1 | zxsykco: oh, I apologise for idiot comment |
| 22:41.44 | Kraig | Blissex: how? |
| 22:41.46 | welson | mmiikkee12, you might as well join #windows |
| 22:41.51 | azeem | welson: he wants to install Debian with a floppy disk and an ISO image which is on his harddisk |
| 22:41.56 | bucky | roby, what was it/ |
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| 22:42.02 | mmiikkee12 | Hardware Abstraction Layer. Used to provide a generic interface to the hardware and 'hide' hardware-specific functions. |
| 22:42.03 | welson | azeem, tell me something I don't know |
| 22:42.04 | mmiikkee12 | that? |
| 22:42.11 | Blissex | Kraig: just use the netinstall CD in resxcue mode to too boot into your root directory fix '/etc/lilo.conf' and rerun 'lilo' and reboot |
| 22:42.19 | Blissex | Kraig: I think there is a nice HOWTO. |
| 22:42.19 | zxsykco | Doesn't bother me at all. I need a very complicated hazing to really cuase a stir! |
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| 22:42.33 | whitehorse1 | zxsykco: Okey-doke fratboy ;p |
| 22:42.33 | mmiikkee12 | we've been arguing about this for about an hour... |
| 22:42.50 | Kraig | Blissex: i'll google that |
| 22:42.54 | mmiikkee12 | azeem: yes, that's correct. |
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| 22:43.25 | whitehorse1 | I don't suppose anyone who codes under Debian is in the room yet? I sought a software recommendation earlier a couple've times but no-one offered anything |
| 22:43.37 | baz | whitehorse1: I code under debian |
| 22:43.38 | Blissex | Kraig: I think it is on the Debian site... I'll try to help. |
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| 22:44.10 | bowman | sether: oops - module psmouse needed to be loaded O:-) |
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| 22:44.22 | Kraig | Blissex: i've been playing through the boot menu, but i can't find the rescue thingie... time to google |
| 22:44.57 | Kraig | darn, i've been sitting on my cigarretes... it's gonna be hard to smoke 'em... |
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| 22:45.22 | whitehorse1 | baz thanks - I'll ask... |
| 22:45.26 | whitehorse1 | baz |
| 22:45.27 | whitehorse1 | I'm looking for recommendations of programs so I can learn to code, patch open-source things etc. I've no serious programming knowledge yet. In time I'd want to use a plain ol' text editor, emacs or whatever but at this stage I'll need training wheels. In WinXP I initially used the design view of Dreamweaver and its tools to help write (X)HTML; as I learnt more though I was able to just write the code myself in code view. |
| 22:45.33 | whitehorse1 | me says bleh. sorry |
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| 22:45.45 | baz | whitehorse1: ah |
| 22:45.59 | jdhutchin1 | whitehorse1, get a good beginning programming book and use it to learn a language |
| 22:46.02 | baz | whitehorse1: I code perl. in vim. don't think I'm the best person to speak to :) |
| 22:46.04 | whitehorse1 | An IDE I think is what I'm looking for |
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| 22:46.13 | jdhutchin1 | whitehorse1, no, you don't want an ide, you want a text editor to learn programming |
| 22:46.17 | azeem | whitehorse1: maybe eclipse is what you are looking for |
| 22:46.23 | bucky | whitehorse1, anjuta is pretty nice |
| 22:46.24 | baz | whitehorse1: why do you think you need an IDE? |
| 22:46.25 | jdhutchin1 | whitehorse1, you can't really just pick up programming like you can html |
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| 22:46.39 | whitehorse1 | baz Well, perl is what I want to become competent in (one of the things). But I'm not ready for vim |
| 22:46.44 | kittenbot | a text editor, and a programming language that has an interpreter -- like python :) |
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| 22:46.52 | jdhutchin1 | whitehorse1, what do you mean, not ready for vim? |
| 22:47.08 | jdhutchin1 | vim is just a text editor |
| 22:47.13 | baz | whitehorse1: sounds like you don't actually want to learn |
| 22:47.22 | baz | whitehorse1: it's not supposed to be easy |
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| 22:47.25 | jdhutchin1 | web design is not real programming |
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| 22:47.39 | jdhutchin1 | your experience from it doesn't necessarily apply to programming |
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| 22:47.58 | Coweater | web design isn't programming, the only thing you can draw from it is some syntax at best |
| 22:48.15 | poonj | hey guys...is there some type of program that would allow me to combine the bandwidth of lets say 5 DSL connections to 5 different network cards? |
| 22:48.16 | zxsykco | coco or anjuta, maybe, whitehorse? |
| 22:48.21 | whitehorse1 | baz: I never assumed it would be easy |
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| 22:48.26 | baz | Coweater: beg to differ, I've seen javascript that terrifies me :) |
| 22:48.31 | welson | whitehorse1, ask the programming channel of your favor, you just have to see if there's "understanding" of what you're doing, IDE's don't solve everything persay.. |
| 22:48.37 | poonj | and have 1 netconnection sharing those 5 DSL lines simutaneously" |
| 22:48.54 | baz | whitehorse1: sure, but shying away from vim and looking to go down the IDE route sounds like you're looking for an easy option. if that's the case then you're not going to enjoy yourself much |
| 22:48.54 | jdhutchin1 | poonj, to really do that, you have to have support on your ISP side for it, it's usually called "bonding" |
| 22:48.56 | Coweater | js is evil that shouldn't be used for anything in the actual design anyhow |
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| 22:49.15 | jdhutchin1 | poonj, otherwise you have to get into some really really nasty routing issues and connection tracking |
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| 22:49.19 | poonj | jdhutchin1: there isn't bonding capabilities through linux as a client?: |
| 22:49.21 | baz | Coweater: js is nice as long as its not relied on. ajax rocks, for example |
| 22:49.23 | poonj | gotcha.. |
| 22:49.24 | whitehorse1 | But I was hoping there might be a program like Codewarrior for Java posited itself on their website. I was just wondering if a similar tool might be available that wasn't java specific. then I'd learn le perl, c++ etc... over months/years |
| 22:49.29 | whitehorse1 | The Java-oriented Codewarrior for Linux is explained on its site thus: "for programmers who want to focus on their apps, not on their tools. The project manager removes the complexity of setting up projects through configurable project creation wizards & an integrated build system, a tightly coupled editor & debug system completes the development experience" |
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| 22:49.40 | mmiikkee12 | I would like to install Debian, but all I can use are floppies and an ISO on the hard drive (not burned to a CD). Any idea how to do this? |
| 22:49.41 | jdhutchin1 | poonj, there probably is, but your ISP has to support it as well |
| 22:49.43 | poonj | are there solutions for something similar to what I'm describing? |
| 22:49.52 | sandman | So what exactly is the point to LVM/ |
| 22:49.55 | jdhutchin1 | poonj, yes, get a good ISP, it won't be cheap |
| 22:49.58 | whitehorse1 | baz It's not that I'm looking for an easy option. It's more not wanting to run before I can walk |
| 22:49.59 | sandman | Could someone explain the whole snapshot thing to me? |
| 22:50.00 | poonj | gotcha |
| 22:50.03 | baz | whitehorse1: translates to me as "programming is hard. let our program write crap code so that you don't have to figure it out for yourself" |
| 22:50.08 | zxsykco | In order to program you must be like the wind! You must lose yourself, then, find yourself again! |
| 22:50.16 | Elly | mmiikkee12, boot from a floppy, mount the hard drive ISO as a loopback, then use that as the install root? |
| 22:50.18 | jdhutchin1 | whitehorse1, you're not a programmer yet- and if you use an IDE to learn to program, you don't really learn to use the tools |
| 22:50.21 | baz | whitehorse1: go into #perl or #python and ask how many people use IDEs |
| 22:50.24 | welson | whitehorse1, choose 1 language and get really good at it . period, nobody knows plus-many languages-- so learn a few and get really good at them..stay simple chap..:) |
| 22:50.24 | mmiikkee12 | hmmm. |
| 22:50.26 | hackeron | sandman: LVM == raid0-6 -- question is whats the point of EVMS :) |
| 22:50.32 | Elly | is vi considered an IDE? |
| 22:50.40 | jdhutchin1 | Elly, no |
| 22:50.45 | Elly | why not? |
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| 22:50.54 | baz | Elly: because it's a text editor |
| 22:50.56 | jdhutchin1 | baz, I use an IDE for java, it makes things simpler, but that's because I learned to use the tools first |
| 22:51.02 | welson | mmiikkee12, any distro requires you know the things I told you from the start, go back to square 1 |
| 22:51.07 | david1 | hi |
| 22:51.11 | sandman | Using LVM I can resize partitions on the fly, yes? |
| 22:51.12 | baz | jdhutchin1: don't get me started on java ;) |
| 22:51.29 | welson | mmiikkee12, I've ran many distros and know you're too stubborn to listen to anybody* so what's the point? |
| 22:51.30 | mmiikkee12 | welson: stop it. my motherboard model has nothing to do with this. |
| 22:51.31 | whitehorse1 | baz For example, say I want to write a website in (X)HTML; I'd use an editor - I could use notepad/emacs (in Windows Notepad I mean) but tools like Dreamweaver colourize the text to make writing the scripting language easier. Originaly though I used the design view, the wizards etc. |
| 22:51.35 | sandman | Are there any security issues with LVM, any stability issues? |
| 22:51.42 | mmiikkee12 | semi-dumb question: after i boot from a floppy and mount the cd image, how do i start the install? |
| 22:51.55 | Elly | vim does syntax highlighting etc |
| 22:52.00 | jdhutchin1 | whitehorse1, color does not mean an ide, any good text editor does syntax highlighting |
| 22:52.02 | dondelelcaro | whitehorse1: emacs has modes for almost every (resonably) common language with hilighting. |
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| 22:52.14 | Coweater | Elly: an ide does project management, and also handles compiling. debugging etc. |
| 22:52.15 | kittenbot | whitehorse1: kwrite will colourize stuff for you. |
| 22:52.23 | mmiikkee12 | dondelelcaro: English? |
| 22:52.25 | baz | whitehorse1: I understand what you're saying, I just don't agree that it's the best way to learn |
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| 22:52.26 | mmiikkee12 | :P |
| 22:52.30 | hackeron | sandman: nope, you wont be able to resize on the fly, or otherwise. You wont be able to add disks to an array either :( -- unless I'm missing something but I cant resize my raid1 or raid5 without resizing the partition, but thats not helpful :'( |
| 22:52.44 | fwtest | mmiikkeel2, i reinstalled the system, it is fine now, but it doesnt have X, how can i install X? |
| 22:52.49 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: ? |
| 22:52.51 | baz | whitehorse1: I think you'd understand things better if you started from scratch with a plain text editor and the camel book (for perl) |
| 22:52.52 | jdhutchin1 | whitehorse1, almost every programmer who I've talked to agrees that learning to program with an IDE is a bad idea |
| 22:52.56 | hackeron | sandman: where did you read about on the fly resize? |
| 22:53.01 | sandman | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/whatisvolman.html |
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| 22:53.06 | whitehorse1 | I didn't want to start any furore over what real programmers are deemed to use. I just wanted to start the damn long process of learning to program. And at the beginning starting with a blank slate in vi/emacs would be perhaps not the most effective startpoint. Oh well. Maybe we should move on. |
| 22:53.07 | mmiikkee12 | does it have syntax highlighting for english? :P |
| 22:53.17 | zxsykco | whitehorse: any text editor can do that, I like to use nano! It gives me pretty colors and does some autoparsing autocommenting! |
| 22:53.26 | liable | fwtest: run 'tasksel' |
| 22:53.28 | jdhutchin1 | whitehorse1, starting with a good book and vi/emacs *is* the best way to start |
| 22:53.34 | sandman | Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29 |
| 22:53.43 | mmiikkee12 | Elly: semi-dumb question: after i boot from a floppy and mount the cd image, how do i start the install? |
| 22:54.02 | Elly | no clue there :D |
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| 22:54.09 | dondelelcaro | mmiikkee12: yes, that's just the defalt Text mode. |
| 22:54.10 | Elly | ask one of the debian hax0rs |
| 22:54.12 | justin | whitehorse1: if you want to learn how to program, start by reading, not by writing. |
| 22:54.14 | Elly | oh, type 'setup'? |
| 22:54.17 | Elly | that's what I did |
| 22:54.22 | mmiikkee12 | oh. |
| 22:54.24 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: the default is fundamental mode :P |
| 22:54.24 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
| 22:54.25 | zxsykco | With a few mods ofcourse! |
| 22:54.27 | Blissex | Kraig: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html section 8.1.3 |
| 22:54.36 | welson | Elly, he believes his motherboard type has nothing to do with it :) (*lol*) |
| 22:54.37 | fwtest | liable, i select desktop environtment, but it has unmet dependency: kdegraphics, depends kamera |
| 22:54.52 | Elly | welson: uhh, it doesn't, does it? I have no clue what type of motherboard I have |
| 22:54.54 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: true... |
| 22:54.59 | mmiikkee12 | Elly: any idea what disk to use? tried the ones on the CD already |
| 22:55.07 | fwtest | is it possible to select which desktop we want to use? i dont want to use kde |
| 22:55.07 | Elly | I just know I have a pentium, so I downloaded the i386 netinstall, and then it worked fine |
| 22:55.14 | asuffield | (actually I find fundamental mode works better than text mode, most of the time) |
| 22:55.15 | liable | fwtest: hmm, this is a sarge install cd? |
| 22:55.15 | Kraig | Blissex: just to ensure we talk the same lang (something obviously false), are we talking about netinstall ? |
| 22:55.18 | welson | Elly, no him, he thinks it's irrelevant in knowing his motherboard type he has to install a distro |
| 22:55.29 | Elly | it pretty much is irrelevant |
| 22:55.31 | fwtest | liable, yes |
| 22:55.33 | baz | welson: with a well-written installer, it should be |
| 22:55.37 | Elly | I couldn't tell you what type of motherboard I have |
| 22:55.38 | fwtest | sarge is bad? |
| 22:55.42 | welson | Elly, or pretty much any of the hardware he has *sigh*.. |
| 22:55.44 | Elly | and I've installed about ten different distros over the years |
| 22:55.46 | liable | fwtest: iso1 or internet? |
| 22:55.46 | baz | fwtest: sarge is good |
| 22:55.47 | Blissex | Kraig: any Debian installer CD should allow you to enter rescue mode |
| 22:55.48 | Elly | I don't know that either :P |
| 22:55.55 | Elly | I have no idea what clock speed my RAM is or my FSB |
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| 22:56.04 | hackeron | sandman: well, using LVM2 with EVMS, I just kept getting "no options for logical drive" after its been activated :( |
| 22:56.07 | fwtest | liable, internet |
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| 22:56.19 | sedeki | ah shit. it won't partition my HDD |
| 22:56.27 | welson | Elly, there's a reason why clubies exists, so there can be a lower class salary :) |
| 22:56.37 | Uchiha | How do I configure my network for DHCP after installing Debian? |
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| 22:56.53 | Elly | welson, Linux is never going to make it on the desktop if you need to know your motherboard manufacturer and model number just to install the damn thing |
| 22:56.54 | Uchiha | Is there a way? |
| 22:56.54 | baz | Uchiha: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:56.55 | sedeki | "tune2fs: bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 |
| 22:56.56 | mmiikkee12 | welson: it's completely irrelevant. |
| 22:56.59 | Uchiha | oh goodie |
| 22:57.01 | Elly | all I needed to know to install debian is my architecture, which is i386 |
| 22:57.02 | Lilldude_ | s |
| 22:57.02 | Blissex | Kraig: so at the net installer prompt do 'rescue root=/dev/hda1 2' or change 'hda1' to ahtever is your root partition. |
| 22:57.04 | Uchiha | Thanks |
| 22:57.07 | baz | Elly: linux is already on the desktop |
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| 22:57.12 | mmiikkee12 | and i know that |
| 22:57.14 | ke6isf | Is finding out what package provides aparticular file a function of apt-file? |
| 22:57.19 | fabri918 | O QUE FOI? |
| 22:57.20 | liable | fwtest: ok, try installing x-window-system and whatever desltop you want. |
| 22:57.20 | mmiikkee12 | baz: exactly! |
| 22:57.22 | willian | oi |
| 22:57.26 | willian | alguem do brasil |
| 22:57.32 | Elly | baz: I said 'make it', ie, have a >20% market share |
| 22:57.33 | Slaytanic | Hello... I'm trying to install sarge on a HP Proliant server with ATA, but the SATA drive isn't found when installing through PXE... Install through CD works though. Any way I can overcome this situation? It seems that the proper modules (piix, ata_piix) are loaded when installing through PXE, but the drive isn't recoginzed despite that. |
| 22:57.39 | GubbleBum | Whenever I start my debian box, inetd vsftpd thttpd and atd all start...and I don't want them to. How can I change this? |
| 22:57.40 | fwtest | liable, how? |
| 22:57.43 | justin | ke6isf: what does the package description for apt-file say it does? |
| 22:57.46 | fabri918 | WILLIAN, NAO SOU DO BRASIL MAISW FALA PORTUGUES |
| 22:57.56 | liable | fwtest: apt-get install foo... |
| 22:57.58 | whitehorse1 | So what are you running then Elly - Gnome? |
| 22:58.02 | Elly | yes, gnome |
| 22:58.04 | welson | mmiikkee12, you said your system is *OLD* *OLD* *OLD* YOU NEED TO KNOW YOUR HARDWARE in THIS CASE |
| 22:58.05 | Uchiha | How do I configure apt to download packages from the internet after installation? |
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| 22:58.10 | ke6isf | !br |
| 22:58.10 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:58.14 | fabri918 | NAO SOU DO BRASIL MAIS FALO PORTUGUES |
| 22:58.15 | ke6isf | justin: Indeed, thank you. |
| 22:58.16 | Uchiha | currently it uses the cds |
| 22:58.18 | Elly | how *old* are we talking here? |
| 22:58.18 | azeem | fabri918: I asked you to not use cap |
| 22:58.19 | azeem | s |
| 22:58.19 | baz | welson: why? |
| 22:58.32 | thingfish | how nice for you, fabri918. |
| 22:58.32 | mmiikkee12 | welson: i've installed a lot of distros without knowing these things. |
| 22:58.34 | fwtest | liable, if i do apt-get install enlightenment, then it will install it for me and start it automatically? |
| 22:58.36 | mmiikkee12 | same computer. |
| 22:58.37 | fabri918 | I AM USE |
| 22:58.39 | ke6isf | azeem: Me thinks he no habla ingles. |
| 22:58.39 | baz | GubbleBum: you want to remove the services, or just disable them at startup? |
| 22:58.47 | BamaBoy | Topic says security.d.o is slow, is it down completely? |
| 22:58.54 | ke6isf | fabri918: Please stop yelling in the channel, 'k? |
| 22:58.55 | GubbleBum | baz disable |
| 22:58.56 | Gathond | fwtest: it probably wont start it |
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| 22:59.00 | liable | fwtest: you need x-window-system too. |
| 22:59.01 | baz | BamaBoy: don't think so - just swamped |
| 22:59.04 | Blissex | BamaBoy: look at the news on Debian.org ... There is a bandwidth problem. |
| 22:59.05 | mmiikkee12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.10 | Uchiha | can use aptitude to configure apt to install packages by downloading them from the internet? |
| 22:59.11 | sandman | Does each Logical Volume have its own partition table? |
| 22:59.11 | mmiikkee12 | (duh) |
| 22:59.14 | welson | yah, alot of distros on newer systems.. |
| 22:59.20 | BamaBoy | k thanks |
| 22:59.22 | Uchiha | or am I stuck with the cds? |
| 22:59.28 | fwtest | liable, ok, but i suppose apt will install it for me also |
| 22:59.36 | fwtest | am i right? |
| 22:59.37 | fabri918 | HA EU NAO VOU DESLIGAR PORRA NENHUMA |
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| 22:59.51 | Gathond | fwtest: it will get it and install it |
| 22:59.51 | sedeki | debian doesn't seem to be able to handle my 200gb hdd? |
| 22:59.52 | baz | GubbleBum: man update-rc.d |
| 22:59.52 | liable | fwtest: if you tell it to, yes.. |
| 22:59.54 | fabri918 | NAO E WILLIAN |
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| 22:59.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b %fabri918!*@*] by caphuso |
| 22:59.59 | mmiikkee12 | welson: same system. mandriva, debian (have to reinstall it now), etc. |
| 23:00.01 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 23:00.03 | Uchiha | Hey, is there a way to reconfigure apt to install packaged by downloading them after installation? |
| 23:00.05 | liable | yay |
| 23:00.10 | ke6isf | !beer caphuso |
| 23:00.16 | ke6isf | And there was much rejoicing! |
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| 23:00.19 | welson | mmiikkee12, you're lying |
| 23:00.31 | baz | Uchiha: not sure what you're asking |
| 23:00.45 | hackeron | sandman: try EVMS, each logical volume becomes a partition, all be it with a fancy name like /dev/evms/hurrah on which you choose a filesystem |
| 23:00.47 | mmiikkee12 | no, i'm not. i'm only reinstalling debian because something went horribly wrong. |
| 23:01.01 | fwtest | liable, i get an error E: internal error, could not early remove e2fsprogs |
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| 23:01.05 | Uchiha | baz: Right now when I apt-get install a package, it asks me for a cd. |
| 23:01.06 | mmiikkee12 | and gentoo also, btw |
| 23:01.19 | Uchiha | baz: can I reconfigure it to use the internet instead? |
| 23:01.24 | baz | Uchiha: ah, you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list to get it to point to the net |
| 23:01.30 | welson | mmiikkee12, there, again aha, makes sense windows=linux for you, then now what do you have on the system ahem* |
| 23:01.35 | LightVision | Uchiha: sources.list |
| 23:01.36 | Uchiha | baz: in what way? |
| 23:01.44 | mmiikkee12 | welson: windows and an empty hd. |
| 23:01.47 | LightVision | Uchiha: you using Sarge? |
| 23:02.01 | mmiikkee12 | and windows != linux. |
| 23:02.02 | Uchiha | Light: yes |
| 23:02.03 | welson | mmiikkee12, what a twist, an "empty" hd...wow another fabrication.. |
| 23:02.09 | hackeron | sandman: PS, after you emerge evms, all your partitions become logical. So be careful to point fstab and grub to /dev/evms/hda1 instead of /dev/hda1 and /dev/emvs/myfunkyname after you give the partition name |
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| 23:02.18 | mmiikkee12 | where debian was/will go |
| 23:02.21 | LightVision | Uchiha: apt-setup |
| 23:02.24 | liable | fwtest: you sure this is sarge? |
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| 23:02.29 | hackeron | sandman: or apt-get, sorry, didnt use evms on my debian boxes yet :) |
| 23:02.31 | Uchiha | That's a shell command? |
| 23:02.39 | welson | cute*, now he wants to try debian after lying all this time.. |
| 23:02.46 | mmiikkee12 | welson: stop. |
| 23:02.53 | fwtest | liable, yes quite sure, |
| 23:03.00 | azeem | Uchiha: you could use synaptic for that if you want |
| 23:03.07 | mmiikkee12 | !ops kick welson |
| 23:03.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: kick welson |
| 23:03.11 | fwtest | debian 3.1 |
| 23:03.18 | ke6isf | welson: Be nice, 'k" |
| 23:03.19 | roby | bucky: I figured out why php4 was trying to install apache-common when I already had apache2-common... the reason is that it was looking for the apache php module and it by default installs for appache instaed of appache2... there is a '|' (or) for apache2 module which I installed instead |
| 23:03.22 | ke6isf | ? |
| 23:03.28 | Uchiha | ok |
| 23:03.30 | Uchiha | thanks |
| 23:03.44 | LightVision | Uchiha: type "apt-setup" |
| 23:03.57 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: try /ignore instead |
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| 23:04.07 | welson | ke6isf, I already provided steps for him, its up to him, my mouth is zipped :| |
| 23:04.10 | mmiikkee12 | why is it so hard to install debian from an iso??? |
| 23:04.13 | abrotman | it's not |
| 23:04.15 | abrotman | !ig |
| 23:04.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 23:04.16 | Uchiha | light: I got it |
| 23:04.17 | EdgEy | it's not |
| 23:04.18 | abrotman | READ |
| 23:04.18 | mmiikkee12 | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:04.25 | fwtest | how can i activate APT::Force-LoopBreak option? |
| 23:04.31 | mmiikkee12 | done :) |
| 23:04.37 | abrotman | !pizza me |
| 23:04.42 | abrotman | worth a shot ... |
| 23:04.46 | mmiikkee12 | !meow |
| 23:04.48 | dpkg | Meow! |
| 23:04.54 | mmiikkee12 | !kitty |
| 23:04.55 | dpkg | [kitty] the best kitty that soviet has |
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| 23:04.58 | mmiikkee12 | ? |
| 23:05.00 | abrotman | !msg the bot |
| 23:05.00 | dpkg | please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood |
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| 23:05.05 | mmiikkee12 | ok... |
| 23:05.09 | *** join/#debian ROBIN (n=kamitre@200.21.126.55) |
| 23:05.12 | abrotman | i mean .. if you really want to play with him |
| 23:05.13 | yyc747 | does debian start iptables by default at boot time? |
| 23:05.14 | welson | there should be a moderation on bot-abuse for abusers |
| 23:05.14 | caphuso | fwtest: with the -o option |
| 23:05.17 | EdgEy | cd drives are pretty useful |
| 23:05.18 | abrotman | why .. the floppies work fine |
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| 23:05.27 | mmiikkee12 | EdgEy: because it can't *write* cd's. |
| 23:05.31 | abrotman | yyc747: /usr/share/doc/iptables/* .. read |
| 23:05.33 | EdgEy | abrotman, if you're not mentally retarded |
| 23:05.41 | ROBIN | como estan?? |
| 23:05.42 | ROBIN | ç |
| 23:05.45 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:05.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:05.47 | mmiikkee12 | cd writers are more expensive. |
| 23:05.50 | EdgEy | mmiikkee12, and cd-rw drives are like £20? |
| 23:05.51 | abrotman | floppies are a great way to install ... |
| 23:05.52 | ROBIN | soy de colombia |
| 23:05.59 | mmiikkee12 | not in the states... |
| 23:06.00 | ke6isf | !es |
| 23:06.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:06.01 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
| 23:06.01 | abrotman | ROBIN: va a #debian-es |
| 23:06.14 | EdgEy | yeah, $20 in the states probably since we get ripped off in the uk |
| 23:06.15 | abrotman | ROBIN: /j #debian-es |
| 23:06.16 | ROBIN | no sé ingles |
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| 23:06.24 | LightVision | whats procps ? |
| 23:06.30 | ke6isf | ROBIN: no habla espanol. |
| 23:06.32 | sandman | LVM's functionality appears to pivot around the fact that there are many partition tables on the same hdd |
| 23:06.40 | abrotman | ROBIN: no habla espanol aqui .. va a #debian-es .. |
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| 23:06.44 | ROBIN | solo español |
| 23:06.49 | abrotman | my spanish sucks :) |
| 23:06.53 | ROBIN | soy de colombia |
| 23:06.56 | ke6isf | abrotman: That was pretty good. |
| 23:07.02 | liable | !es |
| 23:07.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:07.04 | ke6isf | abrotman: Of course, he's not getting the message... |
| 23:07.08 | ke6isf | liable: I've tried. =O.o= |
| 23:07.09 | EdgEy | Lite-On LTR-52246S 52x24x52 CD-RW IDE Internal (Beige) - OEM (No Software) £12, cmon you can afford that |
| 23:07.10 | baz | abrotman: it also doesn't seem to be having the desired effect :) |
| 23:07.10 | EdgEy | :P |
| 23:07.13 | Elly | why does removing mozilla-browser want to remove gnome? :| |
| 23:07.16 | sandman | One must delete a logical volume before one can resize a volume group |
| 23:07.16 | abrotman | yes ..i noticed |
| 23:07.20 | abrotman | Elly: it's a metapackage |
| 23:07.32 | mmiikkee12 | ROBIN: El canal de Debian del español es # debian-debian-es. |
| 23:07.42 | LightVision | is google down? |
| 23:07.45 | Elly | a metapackage |
| 23:07.47 | liable | ke6isf: i know, thought maybe it would see it eventually.. :) |
| 23:07.52 | abrotman | !metapackage |
| 23:07.52 | dpkg | [metapackage] a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. |
| 23:07.54 | Elly | so how do I get rid of the mozilla browser? it's totally obsoleted by firefox |
| 23:07.56 | mmiikkee12 | no, google isn't down |
| 23:08.01 | ke6isf | liable: Ah, OK. |
| 23:08.02 | abrotman | Elly: just remove it .. or ignore it |
| 23:08.04 | sandman | Elly: That's not necessarily true |
| 23:08.04 | [Cadet] | sandman: You do not have to delete a logical volume to resize a volume group |
| 23:08.05 | ke6isf | LightVision: Nope, it's alive. |
| 23:08.05 | roby | google down? LOL, yeah right! |
| 23:08.07 | caphuso | don't epiphany|galeon depend on mozilla-browser? |
| 23:08.13 | LightVision | ke6isf: weird, ok. :P |
| 23:08.21 | EdgEy | abrotman, so gnome gnome-core gnome-desktop environment etc are all meta? |
| 23:08.25 | ROBIN | no entiendo nada fue un placer, hasta pronto |
| 23:08.26 | azeem | EdgEy: yes |
| 23:08.27 | abrotman | EdgEy: yep |
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| 23:08.30 | mmiikkee12 | EdgEy: no, i'm not buying anything, this makes it more interestiong :P |
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| 23:08.36 | abrotman | !beer caphuso |
| 23:08.36 | sandman | [Cadet]: So if I have one primary partition on a 120GB hdd, one VG @ 120GB, and one LV inside it @ 120GB, I could resize that LV while the system is running? |
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| 23:08.42 | Elly | right but how do I get rid of it >_< |
| 23:08.47 | baz | mmiikkee12: $20.99 USD for a cd rewriter, he was pretty much right |
| 23:08.48 | [Cadet] | Not if you have additional space elsewhere |
| 23:08.55 | EdgEy | ok, if i remove it and it screws up ill kick your ass over the internet, :) |
| 23:08.57 | caphuso | Elly: you don't, if you want to keep those parts of gnome |
| 23:09.04 | ke6isf | caphuso: Man, at the rate you're getting !beers, you're gonna be virtually drunk in an hour. |
| 23:09.16 | mmiikkee12 | baz: i have a cd writer, but it's broke :P |
| 23:09.24 | [Cadet] | sandman: For example if you had an additional disk you could add that to the volume group |
| 23:09.31 | caphuso | ke6isf: nah, i'd be setting dpkg on +q before that happens ;) |
| 23:09.31 | mmiikkee12 | !beer caphuso |
| 23:09.36 | baz | mmiikkee12: perhaps you should replace it? |
| 23:09.44 | azeem | Spaten Pils? |
| 23:09.48 | mmiikkee12 | baz: no... |
| 23:09.49 | LightVision | ke6isf: I created a grub boot CD and it works great, and loads the grub at boot time, But how exactly do I install the grub master boot record to hda? Do I just type: setup (hd0) |
| 23:09.51 | ke6isf | caphuso: Heh =^^= |
| 23:09.54 | sandman | [Cadet]: What I mean is: On the very top I have a primary partition, under is a VG, under that an LV, under that another partition table, and then my partitions. If I wanted to resize the LV, I'd have to delete an underlying partition to make some free space first, yes? |
| 23:09.55 | mmiikkee12 | i have my reasons. |
| 23:10.11 | baz | mmiikkee12: you just seem to be jumping through hoops and making life very difficult for yourself for the sake of $20 |
| 23:10.17 | Blissex | sandman: thats not how things work... |
| 23:10.19 | ke6isf | LightVision: Not sure. Grub when installed courtesy of netinst Just Worked for me. |
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| 23:10.27 | sandman | Blissex: Could you explain? |
| 23:10.28 | LightVision | ke6isf: ok |
| 23:10.30 | EdgEy | baz, and insulting debian cause he can't get it to work lol |
| 23:10.38 | Blissex | sandman: there are lots of LVM2 explanations... |
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| 23:10.44 | [Cadet] | sandman: Not if you wanted to reduce the size of the logical volume |
| 23:10.45 | mmiikkee12 | baz: it shouldn't be this hard. just like winmodems. |
| 23:10.49 | baz | EdgEy: I wasn't going to mention that ;) |
| 23:10.54 | baz | mmiikkee12: what about winmodems? |
| 23:10.57 | sandman | [Cadet]: Well, where would the free space come from? |
| 23:11.09 | Blissex | sandman: BTW, one of the things you are sort of missing is that resizing works only as to enlarging filesystems -- shrinking them is a lot harder. |
| 23:11.10 | EdgEy | yeah it shouldn't really |
| 23:11.15 | mmiikkee12 | EdgEy: I'm not insulting Debbian. |
| 23:11.16 | EdgEy | afaik you can't do crap like netinstall windows |
| 23:11.18 | sandman | How would hte LVM know what to cut the size from in the partitions? |
| 23:11.18 | mmiikkee12 | *Debian |
| 23:11.26 | Blissex | sandman: also, there is no need to partition logical volumes. |
| 23:11.30 | mmiikkee12 | it's still my favorite distro. |
| 23:11.32 | azeem | mmiikkee12: you could buy a Sarge CD for 1$ from a website |
| 23:11.39 | sandman | Blissex: Right, instead of creating partitions, create LVs |
| 23:11.46 | mmiikkee12 | !slap azeem |
| 23:11.56 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: stop |
| 23:11.59 | mmiikkee12 | I'M NOT BUYING ANYTHING!!! |
| 23:12.04 | sandman | Blissex: Correct? |
| 23:12.06 | fwtest | i installed enlightenment, but x wont start |
| 23:12.07 | EdgEy | good |
| 23:12.19 | EdgEy | have fun with debian on your 66mhz pentium 1 with no cd drive |
| 23:12.20 | azeem | mmiikkee12: then go to shipit.ubuntu.com and order some Ubuntu CDs |
| 23:12.20 | baz | !tell mmiikkee12 about excessive punctuation |
| 23:12.26 | [Cadet] | sandman: In your setup since you have used all the space in the VG you could only reduce the size of the logical volume, which would give you some free space that you could add to a different logical volume. If you had an additional disk, or a partition that was not part of the vg already you can add that to the existing volume group to add some size |
| 23:12.53 | sandman | [Cadet]: And then enlarge LVs |
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| 23:13.00 | sandman | [Cadet]: Which would span onto the 2nd hdd |
| 23:13.08 | baz | azeem: wrong channel :P |
| 23:13.11 | Blissex | sandman: that would sort of work... |
| 23:13.37 | mmiikkee12 | azeem: debian != ubuntu. windows != linux. stop. |
| 23:13.38 | Blissex | sandman: also, while many/most filesystems support enlargment, excessive enlargement makes them inefficient, but usually works well. |
| 23:13.41 | sandman | Blissex: So, let's say I have an LV with ext3 built upon it. |
| 23:13.45 | [Cadet] | sandman: yes, you can do pvcreate /dev/new_hdd/part then use vgextend to add it to the volume group |
| 23:13.47 | GubbleBum | Whenever I start my debian box, inetd vsftpd thttpd and atd all start...and I don't want them to. How can I change this? |
| 23:13.48 | azeem | mmiikkee12: so stop trolling, please |
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| 23:14.02 | sandman | Blissex: If I wanted to shrink it, how would it know how? |
| 23:14.10 | sandman | Blissex: the LVM will handle all that complicated stuff? |
| 23:14.18 | sandman | Blissex: Shrinking a filesystem strikes me as very difficult |
| 23:14.24 | baz | GubbleBum: I told you ages ago. man update-rc.d |
| 23:14.29 | mmiikkee12 | how am i trolling? |
| 23:14.35 | caphuso | sandman: no, LVM doesn't suddenly make any random filesystem grow- or shrinkable |
| 23:14.39 | baz | mmiikkee12: by annoying the piss out of everyone |
| 23:14.46 | mmiikkee12 | read the definition. |
| 23:14.49 | mmiikkee12 | !trolling |
| 23:14.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, trolling is scorp's idea of constructive criticism, or a poor man's opium |
| 23:15.00 | EdgEy | ... |
| 23:15.02 | abrotman | mmiikkee12: stop being abusive to everyone |
| 23:15.07 | azeem | "to troll, v.: to explore, in an electronic forum, the subtle |
| 23:15.07 | azeem | distinction between being an idiot and pretending to be an idiot." |
| 23:15.08 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.11 | LightVision | anyone here expoerienced using Grub application, and using the setup (hd0) ? |
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| 23:15.18 | Blissex | sandman: as I was saying, shrinking usually is not supported. |
| 23:15.20 | abrotman | update-grub |
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| 23:15.23 | baz | azeem: I like that |
| 23:15.23 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:15.24 | [Cadet] | sandman: If you wanted to reduce the LV you would first have to resize the underlying file system |
| 23:15.30 | Kraig | Blissex: rescue "root=/dev/hda1 3" returns "Could not find kernel image: rescue" that doesn't sound nice |
| 23:15.34 | Blissex | sandman: but there are several well written LVM2 tutorrials and HOWTOs. |
| 23:15.35 | EdgEy | abrotman can i boot debian from 5 inch floppies on an amiga!? oh and i'd like to run doom 3 on it too |
| 23:15.36 | baz | about time |
| 23:15.39 | sandman | [Cadet]: So its dependent on filesystem tools |
| 23:15.45 | [Cadet] | sandman: they you would use lvreduce to reduce the size of the logical volume |
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| 23:15.51 | sandman | ext3 can shrink, yes? |
| 23:15.55 | [Cadet] | sandman: resize3fs |
| 23:15.57 | [Cadet] | oops |
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| 23:15.59 | abrotman | EdgEy: well .. i don't see why not .. it's m68k right ? |
| 23:16.02 | [Cadet] | sandman: resize2fs that is |
| 23:16.13 | EdgEy | :o |
| 23:16.16 | [Cadet] | sandman: Yes you can shrink ext3 |
| 23:16.17 | sandman | [Cadet]: Which works with ext3, as ext3 is ext3 with a journal file :) |
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| 23:16.24 | abrotman | EdgEy: no? |
| 23:16.25 | Blissex | Kraig: that indeed is rather disappointing. Note also that it should be 'rescue root=/dev/hda1 2', as 'root=/dev/hda1' and '2' are independent options. |
| 23:16.27 | sandman | [Cadet]: err, ext3 is ext2 with a jounal file |
| 23:16.28 | baz | EdgEy: depends which amiga. you need an fpu, iirc |
| 23:16.40 | abrotman | baz: see ELKS |
| 23:16.41 | [Cadet] | sandman: resize2fs will work with ext2/ext3 |
| 23:16.55 | sandman | [Cadet]: I think I understand it now. |
| 23:16.56 | EdgEy | you can't tell me doom 3 will run on an amiga though. :) |
| 23:17.01 | [Cadet] | sandman: It is actually very simple |
| 23:17.02 | abrotman | in ascii mode! |
| 23:17.04 | hyperstream | hmm im building a amd64, could i use the default sarge kernel to boot(ive compiled 2.6.12.5 for this box which only suppports this hardware, and recompile the kernel for amd64? |
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| 23:17.11 | sandman | [Cadet]: Yes it is, once I'm on top of it, which I am now |
| 23:17.13 | EdgEy | abrotman :D |
| 23:17.15 | Kraig | Blissex: i know, after the device is the debug level, iirc |
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| 23:17.17 | [Cadet] | sandman: I have to head to work, good luck |
| 23:17.23 | sandman | [Cadet]: Later, thanks for the help |
| 23:17.28 | sedeki | damnit |
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| 23:17.28 | baz | EdgEy: doom & quake certainly did, haven't been keeping up with amiga recently |
| 23:17.34 | sedeki | debian wont partition my hdd |
| 23:17.35 | Blissex | Kraig: the order does not matter, and that is the ''run level''. |
| 23:17.42 | baz | EdgEy: it would be down to the gfx drivers I guess |
| 23:17.52 | Blissex | Kraig: however I can't belies it does not have a rescue mode... |
| 23:18.54 | Kraig | Blissex: did i mention i'm bad luck made flesh? |
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| 23:19.02 | Blissex | Kraig: we both are... |
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| 23:19.53 | Blissex | Kraig: let me have a look at the web and the debian installer manual again... |
| 23:20.19 | Kraig | Blissex: thanks a lot man |
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| 23:21.05 | sedeki | why oh why doesn't debian mount my partition? |
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| 23:21.32 | Kovecses | where can i post a screenshot |
| 23:21.37 | Kraig | sedeki: you got any error msg? |
| 23:21.39 | ke6isf | Well gosh darn it, I didn't have 'fortunes' installed on my system. |
| 23:21.58 | caphuso | Kraig: plenty of places. even more if you uuencode it ;-) |
| 23:21.59 | abrotman | sedeki: that's kind of vague |
| 23:22.03 | caphuso | damn |
| 23:22.05 | caphuso | Kovecses: plenty of places. even more if you uuencode it ;-) |
| 23:22.11 | caphuso | Kraig: sorry |
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| 23:22.20 | Blissex | Kraig: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ BTW |
| 23:22.31 | Kovecses | caphuso, know of a site offhand? |
| 23:22.44 | caphuso | Kovecses: simply install apache |
| 23:22.55 | sedeki | "Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock." |
| 23:23.01 | Kovecses | caphuso, i mean like a website |
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| 23:23.27 | caphuso | Kovecses: well, now what you think that apache would allow you to do? |
| 23:23.31 | sedeki | "tune2fs: Bad magic numberi n super-block while trying to open /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1" |
| 23:23.32 | sandman | How often does LVM fsck up? |
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| 23:24.07 | Blissex | Kraig: look at question 28 in http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ |
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| 23:25.17 | sedeki | Kraig, does that tell you anything? |
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| 23:25.50 | LightVision | ke6isf: I worked it out! i can now install grub into the master boot sectors :) |
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| 23:25.57 | ke6isf | LightVision: Groovy. =^^= |
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| 23:26.25 | Blissex | Kraig: what Q28 says is that rescue mode «If you have a version of the installer that is later than that released in sarge» |
| 23:26.49 | Blissex | Kraig: however, you might be able to boot with 'root=/dev/hda1' with a non-rescue kernel... |
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| 23:27.03 | LightVision | ke6isf: :) |
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| 23:27.46 | Blissex | Kraig: as it says: «Otherwise, just boot the installation system as if you were starting a new installation,» |
| 23:27.54 | Blissex | Kraig: that should work in any case. |
| 23:28.10 | predius_ | anyone know a way to get tail to output coloured text? |
| 23:28.16 | abrotman | why would you want to? |
| 23:28.24 | simonrvn | hi |
| 23:28.32 | Blissex | predius_: there are lots and lots of log colorizers... |
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| 23:28.40 | Kraig | sedeki: tells nothing to me, but google might have an answer |
| 23:28.49 | caphuso | predius_: by not using tail but one of the hundreds of log file colourizers available |
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| 23:28.57 | predius_ | Blissex: show me where to start. |
| 23:29.06 | bowman | anyone successfully using airsnort with the "other" (means not wlan-ng) driver option? |
| 23:29.08 | Kraig | Blissex: thanks a lot |
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| 23:29.33 | hyperstream | hmm im building a amd64, could i use the default sarge kernel to boot(ive compiled 2.6.12.5 for this box which only suppports this hardware, and recompile the kernel for amd64? |
| 23:29.37 | Kraig | Blissex: support like the given by you make people be happy or using debian :) |
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| 23:30.36 | Blissex | Kraig: just Linux in general -- try /whois Blissex :-). Being unemployed I stay at home evenings and then help people is one of the best things one can do... :-) |
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| 23:30.56 | Kovecses | http://photobucket.com/albums/b217/fiercetactics/?action=view¤t=myscreenshot.jpg <----my screenie |
| 23:31.09 | Kraig | Blissex: i did it a while ago when you mentioned getting recorders from ... some place, i forgot, i should stop drinking so much |
| 23:32.07 | Blissex | predius_: SF.net, use the search box and use the keyword "colorizer" |
| 23:32.22 | Blissex | predius_: or more simply 'apt-cache search colorizer' |
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| 23:32.47 | predius_ | ok, thanks. |
| 23:32.49 | kataklysm | wow, i am installing debian 3.1 Sarge on my other pc, I like the improvements that have been made to the installer!! much better! |
| 23:32.54 | abrotman | Kovecses: we care why? |
| 23:33.08 | Kovecses | abrotman, you dont have to look at it |
| 23:33.23 | ke6isf | apt-file reports that, when it attempts to retrieve a file from security, it can't find it (read: 404). Is this a bug from security, or does it simply not exist in the security archive? |
| 23:33.39 | Blissex | predius_: actually a better list is returned with a shorter keyword: 'apt-cache search colori | sort' |
| 23:33.52 | Blissex | ke6isf: the security archives are overloaded. |
| 23:33.53 | azeem | Kovecses: you should restate your issue you wanted to demonstrate with the screenshot, if there was any |
| 23:34.19 | ke6isf | Blissex: Noted, but the security archive should merely time out rather than report a 404, yesno? |
| 23:34.34 | Blissex | ke6isf: ideally yes... |
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| 23:35.03 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: which file is it trying to retreive? |
| 23:35.05 | Kovecses | somebody asked for a screenshot a while ago...... i set up some things posted it on the web came back and told where it was |
| 23:35.09 | Kovecses | SORRY |
| 23:35.20 | Kovecses | it will never happen again |
| 23:35.33 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: http://security.debian.org//dists/stable/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
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| 23:36.05 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Note that, while it was a few hours ago (and keeping in mind that security.d.o is in yoyo mode still), I was able to apt-get update with no issues. |
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| 23:36.23 | azeem | Kovecses: no problem, was he just curious, or did he want to look at it to help you with a problem? |
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| 23:36.51 | hyperstream | ?? |
| 23:36.57 | Kovecses | azeem, he asked about idesk |
| 23:37.05 | azeem | ok |
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| 23:38.41 | caphuso | of course, my life would be a lot easier if the whole thing between '' wouldn't need to be, well, within '' |
| 23:38.48 | caphuso | bugger it |
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| 23:42.18 | Kraig | cd ,./ |
| 23:42.20 | Kraig | err... |
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| 23:43.34 | Kraig | offer me a pair of glasses rather, i have two keyboards and sometimes i write in the wrong place :P |
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| 23:44.42 | Kraig | synergy is a bad band :P |
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| 23:45.02 | Kraig | sounds like x2x |
| 23:45.09 | albertino_ | i am having a little problem .. i installed linux on my Laptop (window XP) i have access as a root and created a username.. I installed Xfree86 but still couldnt enter the graphic interface ... |
| 23:45.29 | mfrisch | what |
| 23:45.32 | cycom | albertino_, any errors? |
| 23:45.40 | albertino_ | no :S |
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| 23:45.54 | abrotman | albertino_: did you try startx or install a display manager? |
| 23:46.06 | albertino_ | but i am not able to switch when i alt shift f1 |
| 23:46.44 | albertino_ | abrotman no i didnt do that.. |
| 23:46.47 | zoin | Hey, how do I get rid of an apt conflict? |
| 23:47.24 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: you fix the conflict; exactly like we talked the last time you asked this question. |
| 23:47.40 | abrotman | and if you don't mix sources .. you shouldn't get a conflict :) |
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| 23:47.55 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, I haven't ever talked to you |
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| 23:48.38 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, well |
| 23:48.42 | MegaByte | until now at least |
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| 23:48.52 | dondelelcaro | debian-2005-09-23:16:04 <dondelelcaro> MegaByte: what new package are you upgrading? is there any reason why you're not using the Debian package? |
| 23:48.58 | dondelelcaro | want to try again? |
| 23:49.03 | mfrisch | ;-) |
| 23:49.16 | sedeki | i can't belive this s*it isn't working! |
| 23:49.31 | sedeki | i can't partition my drive! |
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| 23:49.47 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, oh |
| 23:49.48 | abrotman | why not? |
| 23:49.53 | LightVision | where is my kernel 2.6.8 located and loaded from? |
| 23:49.58 | MegaByte | you mean yesterday |
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| 23:50.14 | MegaByte | Donde, this is not my computer |
| 23:50.18 | MegaByte | It's my friend's |
| 23:50.26 | MegaByte | and he's using apt |
| 23:50.32 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 23:50.33 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 23:50.45 | LightVision | !kernel location |
| 23:50.50 | dondelelcaro | MegaByte: provide the information above, and we can help you. |
| 23:51.04 | MegaByte | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 23:51.09 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: depends on the kernel you're running and the bootloader you are using; its configuration will tell you. |
| 23:51.21 | dondelelcaro | (it doesn't even have to be on the same physical computer...) |
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| 23:52.30 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: ok ty |
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| 23:53.48 | my-wife-is-18 | I just installed new debian system and set vga=a in lilo.conf and ran lilo. it shows hi-res term screen for a second but reverts back to 80x25 screen... how do I fix this? |
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| 23:54.14 | predius_ | Debian OO.org beta packages? |
| 23:54.34 | dondelelcaro | predius_: for what? 2.0? |
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| 23:55.23 | dondelelcaro | !+info openoffice.org2 experimental |
| 23:55.25 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:55.34 | dpkg | openoffice.org2: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.9.125+2.0beta2-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 23:55.44 | predius_ | dondelelcaro: ah, ok |
| 23:56.03 | my-wife-is-18 | openoffice is a 'editor'????? |
| 23:56.09 | my-wife-is-18 | openoffice is an 'editor'????? |
| 23:56.11 | dondelelcaro | my-wife-is-18: sure |
| 23:56.21 | dondelelcaro | and lose the excess punctuation, please. |
| 23:56.44 | abrotman | a little heavy for an editor |
| 23:57.06 | CasaNova_ | feel free to point me to doc if appropriate:-) I am trying to "aptitude upgrade" and it's failing on udev _ udev saying it needs 2.6.12 kernel - I'm running 2.6.8 and only see 2.6.111 in apt-cache. I am running testing and merrilat debs |
| 23:57.10 | dondelelcaro | could be... but that's the section that it best fits into |
| 23:57.28 | predius_ | CasaNova_: get 2.6.12 kernel, then try again, |
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| 23:57.49 | CasaNova_ | predius: I don't see it as an option in apt-cache. |
| 23:57.53 | zxsykco | How old are you my-wife-is-18? Therein the real magic lies! |
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| 23:58.09 | my-wife-is-18 | zxsykco: I am 39..... |
| 23:58.17 | zxsykco | Good job! |
| 23:58.23 | zxsykco | Nice show! |
| 23:58.28 | zxsykco | And congrats! |
| 23:58.38 | my-wife-is-18 | zxsykco: thank you. |
| 23:58.47 | dondelelcaro | CasaNova_: you need to be running a 2.6.12 kernel; they're in testing and unstable. |
| 23:58.51 | CasaNova_ | I was having a problem with VMware not wating to install since the kernal was configured with a diff version of gcc then what was installed (3.3.6 vs 4.0 i believe) |
| 23:59.10 | predius_ | CasaNova_: linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 23:59.22 | albertino_ | how can i activate the vga on debian? |
| 23:59.43 | CasaNova_ | dondelalcaro: Oh so 2.6.12 is the kernel for testing- OK I'll have to figure out my gcc and vmware problems afterwards ... thansk |
| 23:59.58 | CasaNova_ | predius_: Oh I keep looking for kernel-amge packages.... |
