| 00:00.03 | SteveLab | yay |
| 00:00.03 | me_here | I LOVE DEBIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:00.04 | metaperl | yeah!!!!! |
| 00:00.07 | metaperl | we did it!!!! |
| 00:00.07 | LightVision | I love Debian |
| 00:00.14 | Rogue` | yay \o/ |
| 00:00.18 | streuner | haha |
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| 00:00.39 | ke6isf | Cute, we have the Debian cheer squad now. =P |
| 00:00.41 | Guerin | ... |
| 00:00.46 | me_here | lol |
| 00:00.57 | LightVision | ke6isf: :) |
| 00:00.59 | slake | Does anyone know the name of the xorg-server package is? |
| 00:01.08 | ke6isf | slake: xserver-xorg |
| 00:01.10 | Guerin | slake: xserver-xorg |
| 00:01.14 | ke6isf | slake: What version of Debian? |
| 00:01.23 | me_here | slake: xserver-xorg or xserver-xorg-dbg |
| 00:01.25 | slake | hmm.. couldn't find it |
| 00:01.39 | slake | how do I edit the list of remote sources? |
| 00:01.45 | slake | I just installed debian and I am a bit new to it |
| 00:01.46 | welson | metaperl, doesn't surprise me, he probably knows freebsd better than you , lucky you still have a job :) |
| 00:01.56 | ke6isf | slake: apt-setup. What version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:01.56 | me_here | slake: look what branch you are in, if you're not using testing add it to your sources.list |
| 00:02.01 | LightVision | slake: you used linux before? |
| 00:02.06 | ryanakca | what is the non-free repository? |
| 00:02.07 | slake | I come from FreeBSD |
| 00:02.10 | ke6isf | me_here: He may not want to do that. |
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| 00:02.17 | ke6isf | slake: Hold off on the 'testing' bit for a minute. |
| 00:02.19 | slake | I don't use linux much but I want a box for games and movies |
| 00:02.23 | LightVision | me_here: why add testing to Sarge? |
| 00:02.32 | LightVision | me_here: too risky for a newbie |
| 00:02.34 | slake | I want translucency.. |
| 00:02.35 | slake | lol |
| 00:02.51 | Lilldude_ | slack ill give you game box you give me linux box 64 one |
| 00:02.52 | azeem | slake: so you are running sarge/3.1? |
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| 00:02.59 | slake | I believe so |
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| 00:03.01 | LightVision | slake: thenb buy a ps2 or xbox :P |
| 00:03.06 | me_here | ke6isf: since he wants xserver-xorg and not xserver-xfree86? xserver-xorg is not available in sarge |
| 00:03.09 | ke6isf | !tell slake -about xorg sarge |
| 00:03.12 | LightVision | you can install Debian on the xbox if you want |
| 00:03.13 | cheal | !tell ryanakca about non-free |
| 00:03.15 | azeem | LightVision: he used FreeBSD before so shuddup |
| 00:03.16 | ke6isf | !tell me_here -about xorg sarge |
| 00:03.26 | Guerin | slake: if you're just going to us eit for games and movies, why do you care about translucency? |
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| 00:03.39 | LightVision | azeem: Hey, no need to always be rude! I was only trying to help! |
| 00:03.40 | Guerin | since you'll never see it, under the game or the movie |
| 00:03.41 | Azar | !nodm |
| 00:03.41 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 00:03.42 | ke6isf | me_here: There's the implication that xorg isn't ready for stable. |
| 00:03.54 | CrippsFX | okay, so my ifconfig -a states that eth0 has an ip, and that in RX packets it gets 9 errors, and in TX packets it gets 1 error. Strangely enough, from what I see, it *should* be working ... but it's not. |
| 00:03.55 | slake | Because I want a flashy desktop thats why |
| 00:03.59 | Guerin | LightVision: no need to always be a fucktard |
| 00:04.02 | slake | So I can show it to my friends at school :) |
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| 00:04.09 | Guerin | slake: but you won't ever see it ... |
| 00:04.12 | Guerin | oh |
| 00:04.13 | LightVision | slake: show off ;) |
| 00:04.18 | slake | And I want my desklets to be shiny and see-through |
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| 00:04.38 | me_here | ke6isf: but what means that? when i'm on sarge i cannot install xserver-xorg, so how could i get it installed in sarge despite my lack of knowledge at this point? |
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| 00:04.49 | Azar | ! nvidia one-liner |
| 00:04.49 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 00:04.59 | streuner | !sarge xorg |
| 00:05.00 | slake | Ok, I am editing my sources.list |
| 00:05.05 | ke6isf | me_here: Well, I had dpkg tell you about 'xorg sarge'. |
| 00:05.08 | streuner | !xorg sarge |
| 00:05.08 | dpkg | xorg sarge is, like, http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 00:05.10 | slake | could someone tell me exactly what I should add to get access to unstable? |
| 00:05.16 | Guerin | slake: no. |
| 00:05.21 | slake | or where I could find it? |
| 00:05.22 | streuner | slake: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 00:05.26 | Guerin | slake: you get to figure it out for yourself |
| 00:05.30 | ke6isf | slake: You need to ask dpkg about 'dist-upgrade' before you proceed. |
| 00:05.43 | metaperl | what's the best way to take linux screenshots |
| 00:05.48 | streuner | !ss |
| 00:05.48 | dpkg | from memory, ss is screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 00:05.49 | ke6isf | slake: If you have to ask (about unstable), you shouldn't. |
| 00:05.57 | Guerin | slake: also, be advised that there's not yet a transparency/composite manager in debian, because they're all utter shit. |
| 00:06.32 | me_here | ke6isf: i'm at it, wait |
| 00:06.42 | CrippsFX | ... even though my ifconfig -a looks fine, when I do a ping 192.168.1.1 (or 192.168.0.1) I get "From 192.168.1.243 icmp_seq=<number> Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 00:06.45 | slake | But programs that use it do have access to the functions, right? |
| 00:07.00 | Guerin | slake: ? |
| 00:07.13 | STK_ToNhO_ | how i can remove a package but the package needig de dependeces |
| 00:07.17 | Guerin | yeah , some programs have access to ... um, functions. And stuff. |
| 00:07.23 | CrippsFX | so ... any ideas what might be wrong here? |
| 00:07.27 | ke6isf | STK_ToNhO_: ...what? |
| 00:07.39 | STK_ToNhO_ | ke6isf: sorry ma eglish |
| 00:07.43 | slake | So I am getting the impression that transparency isn't a very hot idea |
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| 00:08.00 | slake | especaily for something trivial like showing off.. would that be a correct assumption? |
| 00:08.04 | Guerin | slake: yeah, it's like a big fin on a honda civic |
| 00:08.12 | slake | Dude! |
| 00:08.16 | cio | Does anyone know how to speed up network logons w/samba? Just the initial logon seems to take 10-15 seconds (i.e., from the time you click 'ok' or hit enter after you have type your username/password). I'm using samba as a domain controller, only one on the network. |
| 00:08.18 | STK_ToNhO_ | ke6isf: i want remove a package but it is necessary |
| 00:08.20 | slake | I have speed stripes on my camry |
| 00:08.28 | Guerin | slake: ... |
| 00:08.29 | ke6isf | STK_ToNhO_: Then don't remove it. |
| 00:08.33 | slake | but thats to be ironic.. I don't think this is the same thing |
| 00:08.45 | slake | ok, thanks for the advice. Bye. |
| 00:08.52 | STK_ToNhO_ | ke6isf: i cant remove so is that |
| 00:08.52 | carcrashnights | I want a particular command to be executed every time I boot up. Where would such a thing go? |
| 00:08.54 | ke6isf | slake: The thing about transparency is that it's little more than pretty. |
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| 00:09.03 | Guerin | !bootmisc |
| 00:09.03 | dpkg | somebody said bootmisc was where you put miscellaneous stuff you want to run at boot but can't be bothered making an init script for. |
| 00:09.17 | ke6isf | STK_ToNhO_: If you cannot remove it without gutting other programs that you want to keep, then yes, leave it alone and just don't use it directly. |
| 00:09.49 | Guerin | !bootmisc =~ s#.#. /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh# |
| 00:09.49 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 00:10.43 | CrippsFX | ls |
| 00:10.49 | CrippsFX | oops ... wrong keyboard. |
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| 00:11.44 | adrakoa | hi, i want compile the kernel with ipw2100-source inside... i want to say i choose ipw2100 in the wireless options ... how to could i do? |
| 00:11.51 | CaT[tm] | can anyone tell me how I can easily customise the syslog log rotation under debian? (hopefully without modifying the log rotation scripts) |
| 00:12.01 | CrippsFX | ke6isf, not even an alt+tab .... just using the keyboard on the desk instead of the one on my lap ;) |
| 00:12.07 | ke6isf | CrippsFX: Heh =^^= |
| 00:12.11 | CrippsFX | :) |
| 00:12.30 | CrippsFX | ... I don't suppose *you* could help me troubleshoot my network problem, could you? |
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| 00:13.00 | CrippsFX | .. it started when I upgraded to a 2.6.x kernel ..... |
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| 00:13.22 | carrett | hi. when i try to eject my ipod i get "eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument" ... what can i do to fix that? |
| 00:13.26 | ke6isf | CrippsFX: Unfortunately, no. To me it just sounds like your network is down, but I don't know why. What version of Debian are you running, btw? |
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| 00:13.33 | carrett | (it shows up as /dev/sda2) |
| 00:13.47 | cheal | adrakoa: why do you want to do that? |
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| 00:14.00 | CrippsFX | ke6isf,I'm running etch as far as I know .... when I did the install, apt-get was using "testing" sources. |
| 00:14.01 | predius_ | Is there a way to have mailing lists managed on an IMAP server? |
| 00:14.02 | ke6isf | !ipw2100 |
| 00:14.03 | dpkg | i guess ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2100-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net. |
| 00:14.11 | ke6isf | CrippsFX: Etch then. |
| 00:14.26 | CrippsFX | ke6isf, and the weird part is, in my 2.4.x kernel I can still use my network, but in the 2.6.x it's useless. |
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| 00:14.59 | ke6isf | CrippsFX: Kinda weird. I'd just say switch back to the 2.4.x kernel and ask on the debian-users ML. |
| 00:15.09 | adrakoa | cheal because i want compile the kernel 2.6.13.2, and after i don't find the kernel headers... perphaps it's possible do this in another way ... i don't i want know... |
| 00:15.21 | CrippsFX | carrett, you wouldn't "eject" your ipod, but rather, you would use umount. |
| 00:15.23 | ke6isf | !wayc adrakoa |
| 00:15.25 | dpkg | adrakoa: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 00:15.47 | carrett | CrippsFX: but, when i umount it, it still says "Do not disconnect" on the ipod...is that normal? |
| 00:15.48 | EdLin | adrakoa: even the developers specifically say the vanilla 2.6 kernel is not for end users. |
| 00:15.51 | CrippsFX | ke6isf, yeah, but unfortunately, I need my 2.6 kernel to get the hal daemon and hotswap working. |
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| 00:16.41 | cheal | adrakoa: why do you want to compile kernel 2.6.13? |
| 00:16.43 | buzzard34 | i have a question, does any one know of partition managers for windows? |
| 00:16.47 | ke6isf | CrippsFX: Still stuck. Mind you, I'm running 2.6.8.2-k7 on sarge - no problems, evidently. |
| 00:17.04 | cheal | buzzard34: I know one for chairs |
| 00:17.06 | CrippsFX | carrett, yeah, after the umount, it's continuing to clear cached items, I cant remember the command to wait for the cache to become clear ... but if you wait for a bit, then it should say that it's ready to be taken out. |
| 00:17.21 | CrippsFX | ke6isf, lucky bugger ;) |
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| 00:17.34 | adrakoa | cheal why do i have gnu/linux? why do i live? .... are there a reason for all? |
| 00:17.39 | CrippsFX | ke6isf,so, ask in #debian-users you say ...... |
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| 00:17.50 | buzzard34 | smartass i just want something to make a partition with out reformatting |
| 00:17.54 | ke6isf | CrippsFX: No, ask the mailing list debian-users. |
| 00:18.01 | CrippsFX | oh, I see. |
| 00:18.26 | ke6isf | !wayc adrakoa |
| 00:18.27 | dpkg | adrakoa: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 00:18.31 | EdLin | adrakoa: the vanilla 2.6 kernels are not ready for end users, the patched versions distributions provide are the stable ones - this according to the kernel devs on LKML. |
| 00:18.46 | CaT[tm] | ah screw this. I'm switching my servers to using logrotate for syslog stuff. |
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| 00:19.03 | CrippsFX | how do I unload a module? |
| 00:19.09 | cheal | adrakoa: there should be one, if you're asking for help. otherwise, we have no reason to volunteer to help you |
| 00:19.10 | EdLin | CrippsFX: rmmod |
| 00:19.16 | predius_ | CrippsFX: rmmod |
| 00:19.21 | CaT[tm] | modprobe -r |
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| 00:19.47 | CrippsFX | ach so. danke. |
| 00:19.49 | adrakoa | cheal ok. thanks |
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| 00:20.33 | slake | Sarge never asked me what what sources I wanted to add |
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| 00:20.44 | ke6isf | slake: Run apt-setup |
| 00:20.47 | slake | ok |
| 00:20.52 | slake | thanks.. |
| 00:21.12 | CrippsFX | EdLin, what was that you said about the 2.6.x vanilla kernels? |
| 00:21.34 | slake | It didn't ask me what sources... |
| 00:21.48 | slake | I want to add the unfree sources |
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| 00:21.59 | EdLin | CrippsFX: the devs said end users should use the 2.6 kernels as patched by their distribution, 2.6 vanilla kernels are *not* stable enough for production use. |
| 00:22.05 | ke6isf | slake: You have to do that by hand. Did you add the mirrors by way of apt-setup? |
| 00:22.11 | slake | yes |
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| 00:22.29 | ke6isf | slake: Then you need to add "contrib non-free" to the end of each line in your sources.list. |
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| 00:22.37 | EdLin | CrippsFX: needless to say someone who doesn't know how to compile a kernel should not be grabbing vanilla kernel tarballs because their version number is shiny and new. |
| 00:22.39 | CrippsFX | EdLin, ah. makes sense. |
| 00:22.45 | slake | ok, cool |
| 00:23.15 | ke6isf | slake: BTW, while you're in there, make sure the lines for security.debian.org are NOT commented. |
| 00:23.24 | madclicker | looking for a repository for win32 codec |
| 00:23.34 | EdLin | !tell madclicker -about marillat |
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| 00:23.51 | baikonur | hi |
| 00:23.53 | slake | lol ok |
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| 00:24.41 | ke6isf | slake: When you've finished doing that, do 'apt-get update', followed with 'apt-get upgrade'. |
| 00:25.14 | EdLin | !greetings baikonur |
| 00:25.29 | EdLin | phoey |
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| 00:26.28 | syscrash2k | does anyone know which packages to install to enable openoffice.org2 spell check? I've installed all sorts of l10n packages, as well as the thesaurus packages. I can't seem to find much info on openoffice.debian.net. Does anyone have any idea? |
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| 00:26.41 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 00:26.42 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and a handful of three-legged badgers. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 00:26.56 | slake | ok, thanks ke6isf |
| 00:27.04 | aum | hi - is there a free partition editor that can resize ext2/3, reiser, vfat and ntfs partitions? |
| 00:27.07 | slake | Ok, one more thing, why is mplayer not avalable? |
| 00:27.16 | buzzard34 | i was just asking that |
| 00:27.41 | cheal | !tell slake about mplayer faq |
| 00:27.44 | syscrash2k | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320831 gg. |
| 00:27.58 | baikonur | I have an old hdd that had formerly debian installed on it (ext2) and should now be used as hdd for a windows computer that I do not own. I want to format as fat32 with mkdosfs and believe I already did so, but the hdd is not recognized. Is there something else I have to consider? |
| 00:28.15 | aum | !tell me about mplayer |
| 00:28.17 | adrakoa | cheal my reason for ask, i think all people ask for this reason it's for learn... |
| 00:28.25 | cheal | !tell aum about msg the bot |
| 00:28.52 | bob2 | aum: parted can do at least some of those |
| 00:29.16 | slake | I see |
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| 00:29.28 | cheal | adrakoa: you can learn about GNU/Linux during your whole life. there's plenty of useful stuff to learn |
| 00:29.34 | aum | bob2: true, but parted can't do ntfs - crucial since i want to make my wife's xp laptop a debian/xp dualboot |
| 00:29.53 | ke6isf | !tell slake about marillat |
| 00:30.25 | cheal | !tell aum about ntfs resizing |
| 00:30.29 | rutski89_ | aum: qtparted can resize NTFS, is that what your trying to do? |
| 00:30.42 | aum | sure |
| 00:30.59 | aum | resize the ntfs, and make room for an ext3 /boot and a reiser / |
| 00:31.07 | bob2 | aum: ntfsresize can, and I'm pretty sure parted can use it |
| 00:31.20 | bob2 | aum: also, I'm pretty sure sarge's installer lets you do it, too |
| 00:31.23 | rutski89_ | aum: exactly :-) Just burn a knoppix CD and fire up qtparted with it |
| 00:31.24 | adrakoa | cheal i probe this, i think .. but was my question stupid? i don't know... |
| 00:31.34 | rutski89_ | aum: I've done it to plenty of laptops |
| 00:31.44 | aum | ahh, nice - i got a fresh knop disk lying around |
| 00:31.50 | rutski89_ | aum: :-) |
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| 00:32.21 | cheal | aum: qtparted is just a frontend |
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| 00:32.37 | aum | qt frontends tend to be really nice :) |
| 00:33.21 | cheal | adrakoa: I didn't say it was stupid, but I wonder how it's pertinent |
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| 00:34.22 | lordknow1 | hey hey all |
| 00:34.29 | Xenguy | I'm trying to add a French spell-check to the debian version of OpenOffice - does anyone know how to make this work properly? |
| 00:35.11 | lordknow1 | i have shell commands running from a kde menu but when i open then the shell opens the closes right away and it says shell exited with status 1 |
| 00:35.14 | ke6isf | Xenguy: openoffice.org-l10n-fr |
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| 00:35.35 | lordknow1 | is there a way to make shells not close when a command exits? |
| 00:35.35 | ke6isf | lordknow1: What happens if you try and run them in a terminal? |
| 00:35.42 | lordknow1 | its fine |
| 00:35.46 | welson | Xenguy, /usr/share/doc/openoffice-org.doc or there may be a separate package for it-- there's a mirror of it on the site.. |
| 00:35.47 | lordknow1 | it opens then finishes |
| 00:35.52 | lordknow1 | cause there are no arguments |
| 00:36.02 | adrakoa | cheal pertinent? i don't understand? i want teach, i don't think what all have a reason ... i don't know |
| 00:36.21 | Xenguy | ke6isf: ? |
| 00:36.44 | ke6isf | Xenguy: Do 'apt-cache show openoffice.org-l10n-fr'. That's probably what you're looking for. |
| 00:36.46 | Xenguy | welson: thanks, I'll check -- I been down a few blind alleys already tho unfortunately |
| 00:36.49 | lordknow1 | like imagine an option that just opens a shell then runs ls |
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| 00:36.54 | madclicker | how does one playback wma files wich is win32 codec on amd64 platform? |
| 00:37.00 | Xenguy | ke6isf: thanks, I'll try that |
| 00:37.00 | lordknow1 | but i dont want it to close after the command finishes |
| 00:37.11 | cheal | adrakoa: and why would kernel 2.6.13 teach you more than 2.6.12? |
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| 00:37.36 | ke6isf | lordknow1: OK, that makes more sense, but now the question remains, why? |
| 00:38.04 | lordknow1 | because i have alot of shell commands programmed into menus because i cant remember them all |
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| 00:39.38 | Xenguy | ke6isf: Hrm, I don't think so -- all I want to do is a simple spell check, and the description says that is not included in 'openoffice.org-l10n-fr' |
| 00:39.58 | ryanakca | what is the most recent mysql version available on sarge? |
| 00:40.02 | cheal | madclicker: you don't need "win32 codec" to play WMA |
| 00:40.04 | simonrvn | lordknow1: i just stick them into text files, and cat them if i need to fetch them, or shell history so i don't have to type it again, whatever |
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| 00:40.21 | cheal | !tell ryanakca about info mysql-server-4.1 |
| 00:40.28 | cheal | !tell ryanakca about info mysql-server-4.1 sarge |
| 00:40.30 | ke6isf | Xenguy: But, it does tell you that the myspell-* package will contain that information. |
| 00:40.49 | madclicker | cheal, how's that? |
| 00:40.56 | cheal | !tell madclicker about wma |
| 00:41.04 | ke6isf | Xenguy: Given that, perhaps that information will be helpful. |
| 00:41.08 | lordknow1 | yeah |
| 00:41.11 | lordknow1 | i guess that werks |
| 00:41.18 | lordknow1 | where are the kde menus kept |
| 00:41.22 | lordknow1 | so i can fetch all the commands' |
| 00:41.47 | madclicker | cheal, sid, amd64 |
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| 00:41.57 | Xenguy | ke6isf: OK, thanks again |
| 00:42.07 | welson | /dev/mapper/control: open failed: No such device , if lilo says it installed labelled entries, i did have an issue with my mass storage device /dev/sda .. i'm currently on sid.. |
| 00:42.38 | adrakoa | cheal :).... i think all are inside the same ship... the people what write the kernel 2.6.13 and i who don't know anything... perphaps i must use the kernel of the instalation ... |
| 00:43.04 | welson | brb |
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| 00:43.33 | cheal | madclicker: is there no vlc for amd64 in sid? |
| 00:44.24 | cheal | adrakoa: otherwise better use the latest kernel in debian (2.6.12) |
| 00:44.42 | kadigibox | im haveing a problem. After I mount a CD drive and then unmount it I cannot eject the CD with the button on the drive. I have to use the eject command |
| 00:44.55 | kadigibox | Is there some way I don't have to do that? |
| 00:45.27 | cheal | kadigibox: where unmounting worked, right? |
| 00:45.27 | kadigibox | never had to do that before on the old drive |
| 00:45.35 | adrakoa | cheal ok... but it 's possible compile the kernel with the driver in a kenel XXXX (>2.6.4) |
| 00:45.41 | kadigibox | it fully unmounted |
| 00:45.41 | madclicker | cheal, it's there but i belive it's still broken |
| 00:46.13 | baikonur | recently my notebook's rechargeable battery's capacity has decreased drastically. Does something like that occur suddenly or does maybe ACPI do not recognise the batterys capacity correctly and therfore powers down the notebook? Are there tools to check the battery? |
| 00:46.26 | cheal | madclicker: ah, so WMA decoding is broken in sid's amd64 vlc? |
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| 00:47.23 | cheal | adrakoa: is this a question? what's your native language? |
| 00:47.26 | kadigibox | but the funny thing is the eject command says its unable to eject but does eject anyway |
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| 00:48.26 | madclicker | cheal: from what am hearing, it is only available through chroot to 32bit compatibility |
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| 00:49.06 | adrakoa | cheal you are a hard like a rock, could i compile the kernel with the driver ( ipw2100 ) inside ? i expect this ask , it`s all right |
| 00:49.08 | cheal | madclicker: ? how come? I don't know much about amd64 though, so you'd better ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 00:49.52 | cheal | adrakoa: not without patching the kernel |
| 00:50.01 | bob2 | you can in 2.6.14 |
| 00:50.11 | bob2 | which has the ipw210 drivers integrated |
| 00:50.21 | bob2 | you still need firmware at runtime, tho |
| 00:50.27 | cheal | ugh. |
| 00:50.30 | bob2 | and being able to unload it when it explodes is handy |
| 00:50.37 | adrakoa | cheal ok, perfect. how could i make a patch with ipw2100-source? |
| 00:51.03 | cheal | adrakoa: you can't do that |
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| 00:51.16 | adrakoa | cheal why? |
| 00:51.25 | bob2 | adrakoa: 2.6.14 includes the ipw2100 driver, you can presumably compile it in there |
| 00:51.39 | bob2 | adrakoa: but as above, even if it's compiled in, it needs firmware loaded from userspace |
| 00:51.45 | cheal | adrakoa: it's not made to do that. but if you think there's a reason it should, I won't argue |
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| 00:52.40 | adrakoa | cheal ok thanks |
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| 00:54.23 | adrakoa | bob2 i use ipw2100-source, i ask for include the driver in the options, because after compile the module i must download the kernel-headers... i want use a kernel 2.6.13... |
| 00:54.41 | Berega | good morning |
| 00:54.45 | bob2 | adrakoa: ? |
| 00:54.56 | bob2 | adrakoa: if you compile your own kernel, you don't need to install any kernel headers |
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| 00:55.08 | bob2 | adrakoa: just point the module at the source tree yo ubuilt it from |
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| 00:55.47 | kadigibox | Even trying to mount a disk and not being able to mount it makes it so I cannot eject a CD with the eject button |
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| 00:56.31 | adrakoa | bob2 interesting... thanks |
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| 00:56.50 | mhall | Have the bots quit yet? |
| 00:57.36 | mhall | What is the canonical UNIX utility for word-wrapping a text file to 78 columns in a neat way? I.e. not breaking words in the middle? |
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| 00:58.29 | abrotman | why would you want to force a word wrap ? |
| 00:58.32 | bob2 | adrakoa: (as long as you keep the real tree you used) |
| 00:58.34 | Jerub | mhall: vi? |
| 00:58.35 | abrotman | err line wrap |
| 00:58.50 | ke6isf | mhall: Open up in emacs, and just go from there. |
| 00:58.50 | bob2 | mhall: fmt, I'd think |
| 00:58.56 | bob2 | tho I always use a text editor |
| 00:58.56 | mhall | abrotman: I got some text in a file with real long lines. And they are not there for syntactic reasons. |
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| 00:59.13 | mhall | bob2: yeah that looks like it; thanks |
| 01:00.30 | adrakoa | bob2 could explain this better ( i'm big newbie.. ), real tree? |
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| 01:01.02 | Rogue` | the one in ur backyard, not on the internet |
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| 01:01.14 | Rogue` | ? |
| 01:01.21 | bob2 | adrakoa: so, when you compile a kernel, you get a big kernel source tree full of .o and .h files, as well as the actual .c (and other .h) source files |
| 01:01.25 | mhall | bob2: That utility is sweet. Thanks! |
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| 01:01.36 | bob2 | adrakoa: you need to keep it around, not delete it or run "make clean" or anything on it |
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| 01:02.19 | adrakoa | bob2 ok thanks very much |
| 01:02.53 | bob2 | adrakoa: np |
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| 01:03.29 | baikonur | what is an normal value for remaining capacity of a notebook battery in mAh? |
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| 01:03.49 | orangey | hey all! |
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| 01:03.50 | mwilson | 0 mAh |
| 01:03.58 | wireddd | 0+ |
| 01:04.01 | orangey | how can I use postfix to send via ssl? |
| 01:04.03 | bob2 | present rate: 14898 mW |
| 01:04.03 | bob2 | remaining capacity: 48670 mWh |
| 01:04.06 | mhall | baikonur: That will depend on the battery's initial size. |
| 01:04.08 | mwilson | That'd be about the only possible answer to a silly question like that one. |
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| 01:04.18 | mhall | baikonur: Please read its label. |
| 01:04.26 | orangey | i.e., how can postfix send via smtps |
| 01:04.27 | orangey | ? |
| 01:04.30 | bob2 | tho, as everyone says, it's highly hardware-specific |
| 01:04.38 | bob2 | orangey: do you have a real cert? |
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| 01:04.56 | litage_ | where does ssh log to? /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages don't have any ssh output.. |
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| 01:05.21 | ke6isf | orangey: What, you mean transact mail between servers in encrypted smtp? |
| 01:05.26 | orangey | bob2: huh? |
| 01:05.30 | mwilson | litage_: What is it that you expect to be logged? |
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| 01:05.42 | welson | to change ownership of user/group for /dev/sda, (i just installed and rebooted to a new kernel -- latest stable for i386 machine), do i chmod the device or do I need to take another route considering hald is running.. (when I rebooted the devices' group ownership changed to 'hal') ? |
| 01:05.43 | orangey | ke6isf: yeah.. mainly as a way to bypass the 25 block |
| 01:05.51 | bob2 | orangey: do you have a real x509 certificate to use, or are you going to use self-signed ones? |
| 01:05.54 | bob2 | hah |
| 01:05.57 | kl0ck | yo, im having a hell of a time compiling my own kernel, look at this and tell me what you think http://phpfi.com/79858 |
| 01:06.02 | welson | blah- /chown/chmod |
| 01:06.15 | ke6isf | orangey: This assumes that other servers you plan on transacting with run smtp on other ports. Many don't. |
| 01:06.28 | bob2 | orangey: do you control the remote machine? |
| 01:06.40 | baikonur | mhall: ah okay, design capacity: 4500 mAh remaining capacity 135 mAh. Do you know how I can figure out why the battery discharges so fast or why it isn't charged up to its full capacity? |
| 01:06.43 | mwilson | kl0ck: <sigh> What kernel version, what compiler, what distribution, and why do you think you need to build your own kernel? |
| 01:06.45 | ke6isf | orangey: My advice is to set Postfix to use your ISP's smtp server as a smarthost and leave it at that. |
| 01:06.45 | litage_ | mwilson: at a minimum, basic information (user, source ip) of each successful and failed ssh connection |
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| 01:06.59 | bob2 | welson: if youre using udev, then changes to /dev will be nuked on reboot |
| 01:07.15 | bob2 | welson: you can make permanent changes in /etc/udev/ |
| 01:07.24 | ke6isf | !wayc kl0ck |
| 01:07.25 | dpkg | kl0ck: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 01:07.34 | wireddd | baikonur sounds like an old battery to me |
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| 01:07.37 | kl0ck | mwilson: 2.8.6.12, gcc 3.3, debian, and because I want to |
| 01:07.42 | welson | bob2, ok, thanks :) |
| 01:07.47 | orangey | ke6isf: my isp's server bans me if my server sends more than 25 emails an hour! |
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| 01:08.19 | orangey | ke6isf: i want to relay to another server that will let me send emails WITHOUT a limit! |
| 01:08.28 | baikonur | know it alarms but the remaining capacity is 131 mAh though the alarm should start at 89 mAh |
| 01:08.30 | ke6isf | orangey: Are you planning on sending a lot of mail? |
| 01:08.33 | orangey | so the ssl connection is only to one server |
| 01:08.33 | bob2 | orangey: another option is to use an ssh tunnel to send mail, or setup a vpn |
| 01:08.49 | wireddd | or stop sending me spam |
| 01:08.56 | litage_ | how did you configure sshd to log to /var/log/sshd/ ? |
| 01:09.13 | orangey | bob2: it seems more complex than getting a relay host set and making it send via smtps |
| 01:09.19 | kl0ck | mwilson: sorry, 2.6.8.12 |
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| 01:09.25 | bob2 | orangey: do you have root on the remote machine? |
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| 01:09.39 | orangey | bob2: no.. but it lets me relay if I login to it. |
| 01:09.39 | baikonur | wireddd: do you know how to turn off the acpi battery alarm? |
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| 01:10.06 | wireddd | no idea |
| 01:10.15 | wireddd | I bet google knows though |
| 01:10.25 | baegle | Hey, my version of firefox doesn't have the DOM inspector. How do I get it? |
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| 01:10.58 | mwilson | kl0ck: Can't say as I can help you... since you can't even get the kernel version you're building right. Your paste says you're building 2.6.10 |
| 01:10.59 | bob2 | orangey: does it have smtp/tls enabled? |
| 01:11.08 | bob2 | baegle: apt-cache search firefox dom |
| 01:11.14 | kl0ck | eh |
| 01:11.19 | mwilson | kl0ck: And don't know if you're running, stable, testing, or unstable. |
| 01:11.27 | kl0ck | forget it, ill figure it ouy |
| 01:11.30 | baikonur | baegle: apt-get install mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector |
| 01:12.43 | orangey | bob2 yes |
| 01:12.48 | welson | bob2, actually there's a nice hal-device-manager viewer, is console the only way, or are there any front-ends, I've never worked on hal policies (i always avoided udev for this reason).. is the learning curve big? |
| 01:12.50 | orangey | bob2: I tested it with a client first |
| 01:13.04 | orangey | bob2: now I have to get postfix to relay using smtps instead of smtp |
| 01:13.20 | abrotman | #postfix ? |
| 01:14.22 | orangey | abrotman: noone has said a word there for hours |
| 01:14.53 | abrotman | orangey: ok .. but they'd know better than us .. though .. i think there's a postfix-tls package |
| 01:15.07 | bob2 | hm, I should document how I did my TLs setup |
| 01:15.13 | bob2 | since all the docs google finds are crap |
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| 01:15.53 | Jerub | that's a cute divide sign ;) |
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| 01:19.05 | abrotman | Jerub: it's probably UTF |
| 01:19.21 | zdennis_ | I am running Debian sarge, and I can't install gcc-3.3, because of some weird dependencies, and it's saying that Depends: gcc-3.3-base (< 1:3.3.6) but 1:3.3.6-4 is to be installed |
| 01:19.24 | welson | anyone knows what I should do for owner,group options if I were to use udev? |
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| 01:19.35 | abrotman | zdennis_: apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:20.11 | zdennis_ | abrotman, thanks, now it says that i have unmet dependencies on gcc and g++ |
| 01:20.24 | abrotman | zdennis_: sounds like you're not running sarge |
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| 01:20.29 | adrakoa | bye.. |
| 01:20.46 | abrotman | zdennis_: cat /etc/apt/sources.list .. does it say sarge/stable/etch/testing/sid/unstable ? |
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| 01:21.25 | zdennis_ | no |
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| 01:21.34 | abrotman | no .. which of those does it say :) |
| 01:21.36 | zdennis_ | er.. stable |
| 01:21.38 | zdennis_ | crap |
| 01:21.40 | zdennis_ | i thoguht iw as sarge |
| 01:21.44 | abrotman | sarge is stable |
| 01:21.48 | ke6isf | zdennis_: If it's stable, it's sarge. |
| 01:21.50 | ke6isf | !sarge |
| 01:21.50 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 01:21.50 | zdennis_ | oh |
| 01:21.51 | zdennis_ | heh |
| 01:21.52 | zdennis_ | sweet |
| 01:21.55 | abrotman | zdennis_: apt-get update;apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:21.59 | ke6isf | !tell zdennis_ -about enter |
| 01:22.05 | dizzy | sarge is stable nowisnt it |
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| 01:22.20 | ke6isf | dizzy: Has been for over three months now. |
| 01:22.24 | zdennis_ | same problem abrotman |
| 01:22.24 | wireddd | etch is now testing |
| 01:22.31 | c_olin | ok, so I finaly got my USb flash drive to mount... I tried to put files on it, but it said it was read only! it was very frusterating. Any ideas? |
| 01:22.53 | abrotman | zdennis_: apt-cache show gcc | grep Version ... what number does it print ? |
| 01:23.08 | Phated | c_olin: In your fstab, what's the line for your drive? |
| 01:23.09 | zdennis_ | Version: 4:3.3.5-3 |
| 01:23.09 | dizzy | just checking if I got the names right |
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| 01:23.24 | abrotman | zdennis_: are you using any http/ftp sources? |
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| 01:24.01 | c_olin | Phated: /dev/sda /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0 |
| 01:24.09 | zdennis_ | abrotman, both |
| 01:24.16 | ke6isf | zdennis_: Join #flood and paste your sources.list for me, please |
| 01:24.16 | zdennis_ | wel.. |
| 01:24.23 | zdennis_ | actually... just http |
| 01:24.23 | abrotman | zdennis_: /j #flood |
| 01:24.30 | Phated | c_olin: Right after noatime, chuck in 'rw', and remount the drive. Enjoy. |
| 01:24.35 | TraceGreen | Hello, i want to edit windows registry, can any tools help me? thanks! |
| 01:24.43 | ke6isf | TraceGreen: Why are you asking us? |
| 01:24.45 | zdennis_ | how do i flood? |
| 01:24.57 | abrotman | zdennis_: /join #flood |
| 01:24.57 | ke6isf | zdennis_: In your IRC client, type '/j #flood' |
| 01:25.03 | ke6isf | There we go! |
| 01:25.04 | c_olin | Phated: thanks :) |
| 01:25.11 | Phated | c_olin: No problem. |
| 01:25.16 | TraceGreen | I am in linux, i want to know whether linux contain such tools, ke6isf |
| 01:25.42 | ke6isf | abrotman: That looks like an old woody sources.list |
| 01:25.53 | abrotman | kind of |
| 01:25.58 | servus | TraceGreen: Wine includes regedit. |
| 01:26.10 | abrotman | zdennis_: still around? |
| 01:26.20 | servus | Uh oh, a llama has been upgraded. Gotten its wings, you might say. |
| 01:26.20 | abrotman | zdennis_: comment out all lines except the first two and the last one |
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| 01:26.26 | abrotman | zdennis_: or even delete them |
| 01:26.36 | zdennis_ | ok |
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| 01:27.11 | abrotman | zdennis_: a comment is '#' |
| 01:27.33 | TraceGreen | servus, does wine work well in wine? i don't crash Windows system. thanks for answering |
| 01:27.34 | zdennis_ | yep |
| 01:27.35 | zdennis_ | did that |
| 01:27.54 | abrotman | zdennis_: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:27.55 | TraceGreen | servus, does regedit work well in wine? |
| 01:28.12 | servus | It seems to, TraceGreen. I'd certainly back up all files before editing them... |
| 01:28.33 | TraceGreen | servus, thanks, let me have a try. |
| 01:28.56 | zdennis_ | abrotman, upgrade ddidn't upgrade any packages, and i got same dependency issues |
| 01:29.06 | c_olin | Phated: I did what you told me, yet I still get an error saying it is read only.... =\ |
| 01:29.31 | scarynetworkguy | c_olin: ls -al /usb |
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| 01:29.47 | abrotman | zdennis_: what package does it say can't be installed ? |
| 01:29.51 | scarynetworkguy | c_olin: ls -al /mnt/usb |
| 01:29.55 | c_olin | scarynetworkguy: total 8 |
| 01:29.55 | c_olin | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-09-23 22:09 . |
| 01:29.55 | c_olin | drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2005-09-23 22:09 .. |
| 01:30.01 | zdennis_ | see you in flood =) |
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| 01:30.10 | Phated | c_olin: ls -al /mnt, too. |
| 01:30.24 | ke6isf | !tell c_olin -about flood |
| 01:30.34 | abrotman | zdennis_: dist-upgrade ... i'm not sure what's going on .. but dist-upgrade |
| 01:30.41 | scarynetworkguy | c_olin: See the problem? |
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| 01:30.45 | c_olin | no |
| 01:30.46 | lunaphyte | how can i control which kernel modules get loaded at boot? |
| 01:30.49 | Phated | c_olin: ls -al /mnt, too. |
| 01:30.49 | ke6isf | abrotman: It looks like the packages are held. |
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| 01:31.03 | abrotman | ke6isf: are you sure? |
| 01:31.06 | ke6isf | abrotman: Rephrase, it behaves, etc. |
| 01:31.08 | Phated | c_olin: And, if you can't do that, try writing to it as root. |
| 01:31.09 | zdennis_ | ok, i am dist upgrading |
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| 01:31.19 | c_olin | i tried it as root... |
| 01:31.20 | scarynetworkguy | c_olin: Do what Phated said, also. |
| 01:31.21 | ke6isf | abrotman: And no, I'm not sure, but that's my first guess. |
| 01:31.26 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 01:31.44 | c_olin | hmm, I did chmod +rw /mnt/usb and it worked :P |
| 01:31.51 | Phated | No kidding. |
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| 01:32.34 | scarynetworkguy | c_olin: I would really suggest that you read up on Unix perms before pressing on. :) |
| 01:32.46 | zdennis_ | ke6isf, what does that mean, the packages are being held? |
| 01:32.51 | ke6isf | abrotman: How does one tell whether the package is held or not? |
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| 01:33.01 | ke6isf | !tell zdennis_ -about hold |
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| 01:33.14 | metaperl | hello, something has happened. I did an dist-upgrade and upgrade and choose xorg.conf and now I can't start X... it says no screens found even after a dpkg-reconfigure. The entire Xorg.0.log is at http://new.hcoop.net/~terry |
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| 01:33.33 | abrotman | ke6isf: it will tell you :) |
| 01:33.43 | abrotman | ke6isf: but i don't think he did that intentionally .. |
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| 01:34.11 | ke6isf | abrotman: it=={dpkg,apt-get}? |
| 01:34.28 | abrotman | dpkg -l maybe? |
| 01:34.29 | dpkg | ii maybe 1.7-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 01:35.30 | abrotman | i'm actually more concerned that zdennis_ has some fairly base packages that were held back for some reason |
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| 01:36.15 | ke6isf | abrotman: Indeed; maybe a dist-upgrade is the Right Thing. |
| 01:36.24 | metaperl | is there anyway to downgrade my release back to something earlier? I cant google the web. I'm on a text terminal until X gets back up... and the Xorg.0.log at http://new.hcoop.net/~terry shows the X diagnostics |
| 01:36.30 | ke6isf | abrotman: Don't mind me, still learning Debian and unlearning Mandrake. =^^= |
| 01:36.41 | metaperl | I just did a dist-upgrade and I'm having xorg.conf problems |
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| 01:36.48 | ke6isf | !downgrade |
| 01:36.48 | dpkg | well, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 01:37.06 | liable | meh, my router just shat its pants.. :( |
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| 01:37.33 | mwilson | metaperl: Why do you have the framebuffer turned on? |
| 01:37.34 | eobanb | hey, question, a friend of mine has an imac dv, and netatalk is causing a kernel panic on boot. how do you get debian ppc into single-user / maint. mode |
| 01:37.42 | guevolt | apple had 1 billion of dollars in backorders . (what is backorders ?) |
| 01:37.55 | metaperl | mwilson: oh I opted for that option |
| 01:38.04 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:38.04 | dpkg | ppc is probably short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 01:38.06 | bob2 | metaperl: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, tell it to *not* us the framebuffer |
| 01:38.09 | metaperl | mwilson: maybe I will dpkg-reconfig xserver-xorg and not choose it |
| 01:38.11 | mwilson | metaperl: How is that an answer to my question? |
| 01:38.14 | metaperl | it could not open them |
| 01:38.15 | metaperl | ok |
| 01:38.18 | metaperl | I will try that |
| 01:38.19 | bob2 | guevolt: machines that have been ordered but not shipped yet |
| 01:38.22 | metaperl | bbl |
| 01:38.23 | bob2 | metaperl: (I think that will work) |
| 01:38.29 | abrotman | guevolt: stuff that is ordered .. but can't be filled because they don't have the stuff to give the buyer |
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| 01:38.38 | ke6isf | guevolt: when a company has received orders for a product beyond its supply capability, they have to 'backorder' the item - that is, they will enqueue the orders, and service them as supply allows. |
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| 01:40.15 | quad3d | fork: Resource temporarily unavailable getting this on the server. so it is one of the app maxing out the system resources or some? |
| 01:40.26 | roods | are there any chans for debian on ppc? |
| 01:40.41 | ke6isf | roods: #debian-ppc, I think. |
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| 01:41.03 | guevolt | humm. thanks! |
| 01:41.10 | abrotman | roods: #debianppc |
| 01:41.12 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:41.12 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 01:41.16 | abrotman | ke6isf: get it right :) |
| 01:41.22 | eobanb | does anyone know the answer to my question? |
| 01:41.26 | ke6isf | abrotman: Missed it by eight bits. =^_^= |
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| 01:41.54 | abrotman | eobanb: same channel .. #debianppc |
| 01:42.03 | ke6isf | eobanb: Maybe in #debianppc, like we suggested for roods. (not #debian-ppc, like I erroneously suggested) |
| 01:42.13 | eobanb | i already asked there. there are only about 50 users there |
| 01:42.22 | eobanb | and there are 678 here |
| 01:42.25 | eobanb | so i'm asking here |
| 01:42.38 | ke6isf | eobanb: Try also asking on the associated mailing list. |
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| 01:44.09 | metaperl | ok, that worked. startx brought up gnome and I kinda like it better than KDE. It's less flashy, but has less graphics overhead... but anyway, I think I will just get back to business as usual for the moment |
| 01:44.13 | metaperl | thanks for the help |
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| 01:44.35 | bob2 | metaperl: np |
| 01:45.55 | zdennis_ | abrotman, i did the dist-upgrade |
| 01:46.07 | ke6isf | zdennis_: How'd it come out? |
| 01:46.07 | abrotman | and now the machine won't boot ? |
| 01:46.20 | zdennis_ | same problem as before |
| 01:46.39 | abrotman | zdennis_: apt-get install build-essential .. and paste the whole error in #flood |
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| 01:47.57 | bob2 | zdennis_: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 01:48.06 | abrotman | bob2: he did .. farther up |
| 01:48.14 | ke6isf | bob2: He's on ftp.us |
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| 01:48.48 | zdennis_ | all but top 2 and last line are commented out |
| 01:49.21 | bob2 | ah |
| 01:49.23 | abrotman | zdennis_: error from apt-get install gcc ? |
| 01:49.24 | bob2 | sorry |
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| 01:49.34 | ke6isf | zdennis_: What happens if you do 'dpkg -l gcc'? |
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| 01:49.58 | ke6isf | zdennis_: I'm curious about the last line of this ONLY. |
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| 01:50.24 | guevolt | what is misjudging ? "misjudging the market ,(...)" |
| 01:50.30 | bob2 | zdennis_: what does "apt-cache policy gcc" print? |
| 01:50.41 | abrotman | guevolt: ask #english ? |
| 01:51.09 | ke6isf | !bh |
| 01:51.10 | dpkg | i guess bh is Bahrain |
| 01:51.29 | zdennis_ | bob2, i pasted in flood |
| 01:51.42 | ke6isf | What the hell is wrong with his apt-get... |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | zdennis_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 01:52.55 | abrotman | what the hell is wrong with dpkg ? |
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| 01:53.09 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
| 01:53.15 | ke6isf | abrotman: That 'unknown' flag in gcc bugs me. |
| 01:53.16 | abrotman | <dpkg> Package 'libc6' does not exist. |
| 01:53.26 | zdennis_ | pasted in flood |
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| 01:53.59 | EdLin | !test |
| 01:53.59 | dpkg | Sorry, edlin, I didn't get your test. |
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| 01:54.13 | EdLin | well, at least it's not totally kaput |
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| 01:54.21 | abrotman | zdennis_: can you install anything ? |
| 01:54.28 | abrotman | EdLin: he just thinks etch doesn't exist :) |
| 01:54.31 | zdennis_ | yeah, gcc is the only thing ic an't get, or anything that depends on it |
| 01:54.33 | ke6isf | zdennis_: Try 'echo gcc install|dpkg --set-selections' |
| 01:54.34 | welson | bob2, i'm going to kill myself, wtf is there documentation on udev? |
| 01:54.45 | ke6isf | zdennis_: When you do that, 'dpkg -l gcc | tail -1; |
| 01:54.46 | abrotman | !udev |
| 01:54.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 01:54.54 | welson | bob2, (i'm just kdding, i actually don't mean it:)) |
| 01:55.08 | eobanb | i don't understand this, i'm looking EVERYWHERE and i can't find any way to get debian ppc into recovery mode. how can it now have such a mode? this is just silly |
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| 01:55.14 | paolob | Hi guys! I have a zipped archive, whose content is as in http://channels.debian.net/paste/778 . How do I compile it? thank you! |
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| 01:55.30 | EdLin | udev = devfs suckage in userspace, just what the world needs. |
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| 01:55.40 | zdennis_ | ok, i pasted in flood |
| 01:55.43 | ke6isf | paolob: Read the file INSTALL. |
| 01:55.50 | useruser | i just pounded my laptop and my hard disk seems to have died - I've had to reboot into ubuntu since it won't boot. anything i can try? |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | zdennis_: can you install anything ? |
| 01:56.11 | Jerub | useruser: boot from network? |
| 01:56.16 | ke6isf | abrotman: That was interesting, setting it 'install' switches that flag. |
| 01:56.17 | Jerub | useruser: open the machine? |
| 01:56.22 | Jerub | useruser: claim on insurance? |
| 01:56.26 | EdLin | !wayc paolob |
| 01:56.27 | dpkg | paolob: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 01:56.28 | paolob | ke6isf: the file INSTALL is outdated, it says I must run an install file that doesn't exizt |
| 01:56.33 | useruser | Jerub: what should i do if i open the machine? |
| 01:56.34 | zdennis_ | abrotman, yes |
| 01:56.35 | ke6isf | useruser: Got any dead chickens? |
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| 01:56.47 | useruser | ke6isf: as a matter of fact, no |
| 01:56.47 | zdennis_ | abrotman, it appears only things that rely on gcc-3.3-base are things i can't install |
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| 01:57.03 | paolob | dpkg: it's a lexmark printer driver |
| 01:57.09 | bob2 | welson: hm, /usr/share/doc/udev? I dunno, it's always been very opaque to me |
| 01:57.09 | paolob | EdLin: ?!? |
| 01:57.12 | useruser | hm, could try to check cabling i suppose |
| 01:57.12 | ke6isf | paolob: dpkg is a bot. |
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| 01:57.25 | abrotman | zdennis_: and the error from apt-get install gcc-3.3-base ? |
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| 01:57.54 | ke6isf | zdennis_: With this in mind, try 'apt-get install build-essentials' now. |
| 01:57.59 | zdennis_ | i pasted |
| 01:58.05 | zdennis_ | it thinks it's the newest version |
| 01:58.07 | zdennis_ | but that is a lie |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | zdennis_: dpkg -l gcc-3.3-base |
| 01:58.26 | zdennis_ | it cannot find build-essentials |
| 01:58.28 | zdennis_ | it says |
| 01:58.58 | abrotman | no 's' |
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| 01:59.03 | zdennis_ | pasted in flood |
| 01:59.06 | zdennis_ | oh, iwll try without s |
| 01:59.13 | zdennis_ | abrotman, nope, same dependency issue |
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| 01:59.22 | ke6isf | oops |
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| 01:59.27 | abrotman | zdennis_: guess what |
| 01:59.29 | ke6isf | zdennis_: try build-essential then. |
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| 01:59.43 | zdennis_ | what |
| 01:59.51 | abrotman | zdennis_: <dpkg> Package 'libc6' does not exist. |
| 01:59.52 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:59.58 | abrotman | zdennis_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=gcc-3.3-base |
| 02:00.01 | zdennis_ | so instll libc6? |
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| 02:00.10 | abrotman | zdennis_: when did you switch it from stable to testing and then back ? |
| 02:00.21 | zdennis_ | never that i know of |
| 02:00.25 | abrotman | someone did |
| 02:00.47 | abrotman | gcc-3.3-base is 3.3.5-13 in sarge |
| 02:01.00 | abrotman | 3.3.6-7 currently in etch |
| 02:01.03 | zdennis_ | hrm |
| 02:01.05 | zdennis_ | ok |
| 02:01.15 | zdennis_ | can i remove 3.3.6 and reinstall 3.3..5? |
| 02:01.20 | abrotman | you can try |
| 02:01.26 | zdennis_ | how would i go about that? |
| 02:01.32 | zdennis_ | dpkg -r gcc-3.3-base ? |
| 02:01.36 | abrotman | remove gcc-3.3-base .. then try to install it again |
| 02:01.46 | ke6isf | !reinstall |
| 02:01.46 | dpkg | [reinstall] COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 02:01.51 | abrotman | no |
| 02:01.54 | abrotman | doesn't apply here |
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| 02:02.04 | ke6isf | abrotman: Good point, it's just the compiler tools |
| 02:02.13 | zdennis_ | ok, so i am going to run "dpkg remove gcc-3.3-base ; apt-get install gcc-3.3-base" |
| 02:02.16 | zdennis_ | correct? |
| 02:02.21 | abrotman | --purge remove |
| 02:02.22 | abrotman | and yes |
| 02:02.33 | abrotman | well .. try to run it .. :) |
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| 02:03.27 | EdLin | zdennis_: apt is not designed to downgrade distributions, expect breakage. |
| 02:03.41 | abrotman | EdLin: afaict .. only gcc is from etch |
| 02:03.46 | zdennis_ | ok, so i try "dpkg --purge remove gcc-3.3-base" ? |
| 02:03.51 | abrotman | sure .. why not |
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| 02:04.01 | EdLin | abrotman: really? maybe he'll be able to pull it off.... |
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| 02:04.11 | abrotman | zdennis_: the worst that happens if you have to upgrade everything to etch/testing .. which would suck :) |
| 02:04.21 | zdennis_ | it had dependency issues while uninstalling |
| 02:04.26 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 02:04.33 | EdLin | etch sucks if you want to do C++ programming. |
| 02:04.45 | EdLin | at least at present |
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| 02:04.52 | zdennis_ | i pasted in flood |
| 02:04.52 | gravity | EdLin: Why is that? |
| 02:05.01 | EdLin | gravity: the 4.0 migration |
| 02:05.03 | abrotman | zdennis_: dpkg -l libstdc++5 |
| 02:05.12 | gravity | EdLin: It's mostly finished though |
| 02:05.14 | CompWizrd | compiling 2.4 kernels in sid is sucky :) |
| 02:05.21 | CompWizrd | i gave up and used my laptop that has sarge on it |
| 02:05.24 | zdennis_ | in flood |
| 02:05.26 | EdLin | gravity: finished in testing? |
| 02:05.34 | zdennis_ | remove that to? |
| 02:05.43 | gravity | EdLin: I thought so |
| 02:05.44 | zdennis_ | EdLin, i feel sorta lucky |
| 02:05.46 | ke6isf | zdennis_: It wants to. |
| 02:06.08 | abrotman | zdennis_: try .. but what else does it want to remove ? |
| 02:06.11 | FaithX | Does anyone have 3 Netconnect card up and running in AU that could lend some help? |
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| 02:06.36 | EdLin | gravity: there was a rant on planet debian about the state of C++ development in Debian recently. |
| 02:06.45 | gravity | EdLin: Right, but it didn't make any sense to me |
| 02:06.51 | abrotman | or to me :) |
| 02:06.51 | gravity | EdLin: It was a little incoherent |
| 02:07.01 | abrotman | and i'm not much of a C++ developer |
| 02:07.12 | zdennis_ | heh, it says that apt, and telnet, and apt-utils, etc.. depends on gcc- stuff and on libstdc++5 |
| 02:07.45 | abrotman | zdennis_: well .. you can either upgrade to etch .. or reinstall the system |
| 02:08.04 | zdennis_ | can i force remove, then reinstall ? |
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| 02:08.17 | abrotman | zdennis_: i mean .. a downgrade would be possible .. but it would be *a lot* of work |
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| 02:09.15 | stew | zdennis_: instead of removing, and reinstalling, you could maybe just apt-get install --reinstall gcc-3.3-base=version |
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| 02:09.33 | abrotman | gravity: i'd actually like them to stop keeping branden's "apology" at the top :) |
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| 02:09.54 | renga | how can I stop a program? |
| 02:10.06 | abrotman | ctrl-c |
| 02:10.06 | ke6isf | renga: kill. |
| 02:10.13 | gravity | abrotman: Branden just needs to either figure out his blogging software or just get a LJ account like the rest of us :-) |
| 02:10.15 | abrotman | depending what it is |
| 02:10.22 | renga | I tried kill |
| 02:10.22 | protoss | just ctrl-c |
| 02:10.34 | abrotman | gravity: no .. i think he's intentionally updating it or something so that it stays at the top |
| 02:10.35 | renga | k3b |
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| 02:10.43 | abrotman | xkill |
| 02:10.44 | gravity | Hrm |
| 02:10.51 | protoss | kill -9 |
| 02:11.00 | ke6isf | renga: And why won't it die? What command line did you use? |
| 02:11.03 | Crak_otak | killall -9 |
| 02:11.08 | abrotman | and it will probably lock the drive :) |
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| 02:11.22 | zdennis_ | It says it can't find gcc-3.3-base |
| 02:11.25 | zdennis_ | when i try thtat stew |
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| 02:11.48 | stew | zdennis_: you tries what command, exactly? |
| 02:11.52 | abrotman | because it's not in your sources anymore .. and you got it from etch |
| 02:12.01 | gravity | stew: I finally had time to add your patch to xorg. Thanks for doing it. |
| 02:12.02 | renga | i tried kill k3b |
| 02:12.12 | renga | but it dont work |
| 02:12.14 | zdennis_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.14 | abrotman | xkill or kill -9 |
| 02:12.22 | ke6isf | renga: Try 'killall k3b' |
| 02:13.01 | Crak_otak | killall if you put the name |
| 02:13.02 | abrotman | !info gcc-3.3-base sarge |
| 02:13.02 | Crak_otak | kill for the pid |
| 02:13.02 | dpkg | gcc-3.3-base: (The GNU Compiler Collection (base package)), section devel, is required. Version: 1:3.3.5-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 145 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
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| 02:13.03 | renga | Im reding the man but I need to do this a little faster |
| 02:13.03 | abrotman | xkill |
| 02:13.16 | cunakya | on instalation, when and how do i load the second cd? |
| 02:13.22 | stew | gravity: cool, np. |
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| 02:13.27 | zdennis_ | abrotman, to downgrade, can i start with a certain package, like dpkg --force-downgrade gcc-3.3-base ? |
| 02:13.28 | abrotman | after the reboot |
| 02:13.40 | zdennis_ | or does it not take options? |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | uhm .. you have to get the package downloaded first :) |
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| 02:14.00 | cunakya | what command loads it after the reboot? |
| 02:14.03 | zdennis_ | the package i want to downgrade to? |
| 02:14.03 | abrotman | zdennis_: really .. is this a workstation or server? |
| 02:14.09 | zdennis_ | it is a development server |
| 02:14.14 | abrotman | lovely |
| 02:14.28 | renga | thanks ke6isf |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | zdennis_: did you just install it ? |
| 02:14.33 | ke6isf | renga: Gladly. |
| 02:14.38 | zdennis_ | no, it's been up for about 3 months |
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| 02:15.17 | abrotman | zdennis_: you'd have to get the sarge version of every package that is from etch .. and then try to remove it from the system then install the sarge version .. |
| 02:15.23 | akusarujin | anyone ever run into this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=329702 ? |
| 02:15.47 | zdennis_ | i think gcc-base is the only one |
| 02:16.00 | abrotman | no .. you already showed others |
| 02:16.03 | zdennis_ | looking at logs...a new version was untarred and installed with dpkg |
| 02:16.21 | zdennis_ | i dont see anything else that looks fishy |
| 02:16.21 | abrotman | zdennis_: dpkg -i --force-downgrade package.deb ? |
| 02:16.38 | abrotman | but it still might remove other stuff that you might want |
| 02:16.42 | zdennis_ | where package.deb is the one i am downgrading to? or the one i want to get rid of? |
| 02:16.58 | abrotman | anything it tries to remove .. you need to get the sarge versino .. if not also the etch version |
| 02:17.46 | abrotman | zdennis_: you should also be prepared to reinstall .. this could all go very very badly |
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| 02:18.16 | zdennis_ | would it be better to just upgrade to testing? |
| 02:18.26 | abrotman | that depends on the developers :) |
| 02:18.45 | abrotman | and also the real purpose .. i mean .. is it a staging area for deployment servers runnign sarge ? |
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| 02:19.03 | zdennis_ | no the actual testing and production servers run RHEL 4 |
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| 02:19.15 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:19.18 | bob2 | you can use pinning to force a downgrade |
| 02:19.26 | Chavonbravo | anyone running on powerpc? |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | zdennis_: i mean .. sarge would be closer to RH4 |
| 02:19.29 | zdennis_ | these boxes just house development for software which is platform independent |
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| 02:19.49 | zdennis_ | mainly running some apache stuff |
| 02:19.55 | Chavonbravo | anyone know of a channel running on power pc |
| 02:19.55 | zdennis_ | and a mysql db |
| 02:19.56 | Chavonbravo | ? |
| 02:20.08 | abrotman | zdennis_: public servers? |
| 02:20.09 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 02:20.09 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 02:20.34 | zdennis_ | abrotman, no |
| 02:20.39 | zdennis_ | abrotman, internal servers |
| 02:20.49 | abrotman | zdennis_: well . it's up to you .. but etch could get messy |
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| 02:21.00 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 02:21.00 | dpkg | downgrade is probably not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 02:21.12 | zdennis_ | where do i look to download the older gcc-3.3-base deb package? If apt wont' download it for me? |
| 02:21.25 | abrotman | zdennis_: packages.debian.org .. or bob2 suggested pinning |
| 02:21.42 | Chavonbravo | thanx |
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| 02:23.41 | toby | I |
| 02:24.19 | toby | err. I'm using samba 3.0.14a (debian testing) and whenever I try to log in to the share, it fails. I tried without 'security = user' and with it, and it didn't help. I'm on Windows XP. |
| 02:25.11 | abrotman | #samba |
| 02:25.30 | toby | :O |
| 02:25.31 | toby | k. |
| 02:25.36 | zdennis_ | ok, gcc-3.3-base 3.3.5_13 is now installed |
| 02:25.43 | abrotman | or samba.org .. but #samba is pretty good if they're awake :) |
| 02:25.52 | zdennis_ | and so is gcc-3.3 |
| 02:25.53 | zdennis_ | sweet |
| 02:25.56 | abrotman | zdennis_: ok .. can you install build-essential now ? |
| 02:25.57 | zdennis_ | thank you guys so much! |
| 02:26.17 | abrotman | zdennis_: if you're doing C/C++ .. you probably want build-essential |
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| 02:26.18 | zdennis_ | yep, it is instlling as i type |
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| 02:26.29 | abrotman | zdennis_: ok .. |
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| 02:27.07 | nvz | try being more vague so I can give you a dumb response |
| 02:27.14 | nvz | nevermind abrotman beat me to it |
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| 02:27.16 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.21 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:27.47 | loco | please, someone here knows why debian doesn't comes with 'import' command? or maybe it's just my CD? |
| 02:28.09 | zdennis_ | toby, did you add your user using smbpasswd ? |
| 02:28.12 | abrotman | import? |
| 02:28.12 | gravity | loco: 'import' command? |
| 02:28.14 | abrotman | wtf is import? |
| 02:28.14 | gravity | To do what? |
| 02:28.29 | Agrajag- | i think he wants imagemagick |
| 02:28.32 | abrotman | apt-cdrom |
| 02:28.33 | loco | import takes a snapshot from your X |
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| 02:28.39 | abrotman | !find bin/import |
| 02:28.46 | Agrajag- | yeah.. that's in imagemagick |
| 02:28.46 | gravity | !ss |
| 02:28.46 | dpkg | well, ss is screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 02:28.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/import' (3): (/usr/bin/import) in graphics/imagemagick ;; (/usr/lib/arb/bin/import_proteomdata.pl) in non-free/science/arb ;; (/usr/lib/zope3/zopeskel/bin/{importchecker.bat.in|importchecker.in}) in python/zope3. |
| 02:28.52 | loco | abrotman, I've already tried that.. |
| 02:28.54 | abrotman | yay .. import |
| 02:28.59 | abrotman | imagemagick |
| 02:29.00 | loco | Agrajag-, imagemagick ? |
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| 02:29.10 | Agrajag- | apt-get install imagemagick |
| 02:29.16 | nvz | abrotman: bin/import$ |
| 02:29.26 | abrotman | nvz: i know .. i missed the key before hitting enter :) |
| 02:29.32 | loco | Agrajag-, thanks |
| 02:29.48 | nvz | abrotman: liar. |
| 02:29.57 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 02:30.12 | nvz | abrotman: if you missed "the key" you would have hit shift+enter otherwise you missed two or more keys |
| 02:30.25 | abrotman | nvz: no way! |
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| 02:30.53 | abrotman | nvz: i'm on a lappy .. i hit the little space between the number row .. and the Fkey row |
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| 02:31.53 | abrotman | gravity: actually ..if you notice .. the time keeps changing on that blog post |
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| 02:32.02 | gravity | abrotman: Hrm |
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| 02:32.24 | abrotman | gravity: check it in .. about 6 minutes .. i suspect it will say 02:28 :) |
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| 02:32.58 | abrotman | gravity: i think he's cheating! :) |
| 02:33.02 | gravity | hehe |
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| 02:33.17 | abrotman | if we click all the links .. will he get $0.00033 ? |
| 02:33.25 | gravity | hahahaha |
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| 02:34.39 | toby | zdennis_: o that worked, thanks friend. |
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| 02:35.06 | zdennis_ | toby, np, glad to be of help |
| 02:35.18 | abrotman | it was a fair trade :) |
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| 02:35.53 | welson | anyone knows if I'm supposed to edit udev or hal files? |
| 02:36.02 | welson | or do these two things conflict with each other? |
| 02:36.07 | eidolon | hi folks. any idea when the security update for Firefox 1.0.6 will go into security.debian.org? it's a pretty critical one, and it's been over a week :( |
| 02:36.21 | BadMan | hey gents I need some help with ripperx and lame encoding to mp3(for car audio device) |
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| 02:36.38 | abrotman | eidolon: it already did .. i think .. you mean the fix that went into 1.0.7 ? |
| 02:36.44 | welson | eidolon, hey, if you want to piss off the firefox people, try opera, they've gone ad-free.. just like I did :) |
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| 02:37.06 | BadMan | I got ripperx to encode to mp3 but the resulting file was a about twice the size of various artists songs of the same length( 3.5MB vs 7MB) and a crap load of jiberrish |
| 02:37.09 | eidolon | abrotman: no, packages.debian.org/stable/web/mozilla-firefox is still showing 'mozilla-firefox (1.0.4-2sarge3) |
| 02:37.20 | eidolon | when all ff versions shy of 1.0.6 have a major security hole in 'em. |
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| 02:37.31 | abrotman | eidolon: yep .. it's 1.0.6 with the version string changed iirc .. |
| 02:37.53 | eidolon | hrm. |
| 02:37.54 | Entranced | Hey |
| 02:38.01 | eidolon | yah, i see that in the cahngelog. |
| 02:38.03 | eidolon | hrm again. |
| 02:38.04 | abrotman | eidolon: http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-779 .. read |
| 02:38.22 | welson | bob2, having udev and hald, don't they both edit the same /dev files ? -- i see this as a possible problem... |
| 02:38.42 | Entranced | When doing aptitude dist-upgrade I get a message that some packages have been kept back... how do I force the upgrade anyways ? |
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| 02:38.53 | bob2 | welson: no |
| 02:38.53 | abrotman | welson: they work together |
| 02:39.01 | dondelelcaro | Entranced: generally you don't; they're kept back because they can't actually be installed. |
| 02:39.04 | bob2 | welson: hald gets events from udev when things happen |
| 02:39.05 | Guerin | but it's not 1.07 |
| 02:39.07 | welson | aiee... I can't find a doc on the two... |
| 02:39.08 | Entranced | I see |
| 02:39.26 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.48 | Entranced | bob2, I uninstalled udev and now I'm able to boot mu machine with 2.6.12 kernel |
| 02:39.54 | bob2 | it's amazing how much of a change hotplug went through in the past year |
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| 02:40.01 | bob2 | from "shiney new" to "obsolete" |
| 02:40.07 | bob2 | like devfs but with less deadlocks |
| 02:40.15 | bob2 | Entranced: ah, cool |
| 02:40.20 | Chavonbravo | anyone in here running on a ppc? |
| 02:40.26 | abrotman | #debianppc |
| 02:40.27 | eidolon | abrotman, this is not the bugfix i'm talking about. |
| 02:40.28 | dondelelcaro | Chavonbravo: just ask your question... |
| 02:40.38 | Entranced | I actually broke my Sid and I had to do the rescue |
| 02:40.39 | abrotman | eidolon: you're talking about the new one in 1.0.7 then ? |
| 02:40.39 | eidolon | researching, the CVE reference is CAN-2005-2871 |
| 02:40.46 | eidolon | http://www.frsirt.com/exploits/20050922.PwnZilla.php |
| 02:40.46 | Azar | question : my friend said he could not enable agpgart, he got an error, is that a normal thing with some machines? |
| 02:40.48 | Guerin | bob2: i still hear nothing but "um, wtf, udev is broken AGAIN" |
| 02:40.54 | bob2 | heh |
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| 02:40.58 | Entranced | Guerin, that is correct |
| 02:41.06 | zTrope | minimizing boot time - whats the fastest you guys have yours at? |
| 02:41.15 | Entranced | udev dude is smoking some shit lately |
| 02:41.20 | welson | abrotman, i've checked that out, it doesn't tell me anything about HAL other than major distributions having had used HAL for watching devices-- I still am having trouble at the freedesktop.org site as well :( |
| 02:41.29 | Guerin | zTrope: about two seconds per day |
| 02:41.34 | bob2 | zTrope: 46 seconds or so |
| 02:41.46 | Gnea | hrm |
| 02:41.47 | bob2 | zTrope: tho I reboot about once every two months, the rest of the time I just suspend-to-disk |
| 02:41.51 | Azar | eidolon!! :) |
| 02:41.51 | abrotman | welson: ah ok |
| 02:41.54 | eidolon | abrotman: and yes, apparently i am. it's listed as "affecting 1.0.6 and prior" - so the patch from AUgust 22nd won't address this. |
| 02:41.54 | Chavonbravo | i got source for something and modded it a little, and needed to recompile it with any linux with ppc for it to work, and don't have access to any of those. wondering if i could send 3 small files, including makefile, and someone could compile it real quick and send back? |
| 02:41.54 | welson | abrotman, I'm still not sure what to edit.. |
| 02:42.00 | eidolon | yes? |
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| 02:42.07 | bob2 | welson: what specifically are you trying to do again? |
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| 02:42.13 | Guerin | i can boot my p2-233 from grub to login: in 48 seconds; i figure i reboot once every three weeks or so. |
| 02:42.13 | abrotman | eidolon: though .. maybe the patch was already available and they put it in ? |
| 02:42.23 | Azar | eidolon, sorry I took you for someone else |
| 02:42.28 | krassy1809 | do my kernel version 2.6.8.2-k7 support dead gateway detection ? |
| 02:42.33 | zTrope | hmm |
| 02:42.36 | eidolon | no, the specific CVE summary in the patch / release notes on packages.debian.org do not mention CVS-2005-2871. |
| 02:42.38 | zTrope | any tips to minimizing it? |
| 02:42.40 | Entranced | Now when I'm trying to do dist-upgrade udev is trying to install again :) |
| 02:42.42 | Guerin | wtf is dead gateway detenction? |
| 02:42.43 | eidolon | also, 2871 came out -long- after the August release. |
| 02:42.49 | eidolon | 2871 is only about a week old. |
| 02:42.56 | abrotman | eidolon: all i can say is to email the debian-security list and ask |
| 02:42.57 | eidolon | it's a hyper-critical one though. total remote sploit. |
| 02:43.03 | whitehorse1 | entranced of course it is. devfs was used...now it's not. |
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| 02:43.10 | bob2 | zTrope: suspend-to-disk is the simplest way |
| 02:43.12 | Guerin | zTrope: bootchart and initng are supposed to be cool; hotplug-perl can be good, too |
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| 02:43.16 | whitehorse1 | for hdware management I mean |
| 02:43.18 | Chavonbravo | anyone? |
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| 02:43.30 | welson | bob2, i'm trying to have /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 (mass storage device) to be mountable by a particular user (this user would be a member of his own group)-- however with hald/udev I don't know if I should just drop the extra options for ext2/ext3 in /etc/fstab (which is the options: group) |
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| 02:43.40 | Entranced | Iwhitehorse1 the thing is that udev makes my system not work |
| 02:43.41 | Guerin | eidolon: complain to debian-security@lists.d.o |
| 02:43.59 | abrotman | or if you really want to cause problems .. do leader@ :) |
| 02:44.07 | zTrope | good shizzy guys thanx |
| 02:44.19 | Guerin | eidolon: have you verified the package is even vulnerable? I was unable to get any of the recent exploits to work on mine. |
| 02:44.20 | bob2 | Chavonbravo: I guess just ask in #debianppc |
| 02:44.44 | eidolon | Guerin: when the firefox dev team says "This affects everyting in 1.0.6 down, upgrade to 1.0.7", i jump up and listen :) |
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| 02:44.53 | welson | bob2, or I can figure out the latter for now .. but at the moment am not sure what xml-cute tool will help me out on this-- hal-device-manager gave me a nice perspective, but i'm not sure about how policy-rules are written.. |
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| 02:44.59 | bob2 | welson: are you using gnome or kde or something else? |
| 02:45.07 | Guerin | eidolon: you jump and listen, instead of verifying independently? |
| 02:45.18 | eidolon | yes, because i am not the expert on the code. they are. |
| 02:45.22 | Chavonbravo | i have bob2...no help there at all |
| 02:45.25 | krassy1809 | what is wtf ? |
| 02:45.28 | eidolon | and every other security institution on the planet has pointed out this vulnerability. |
| 02:45.29 | Entranced | whitehorse1, I don't know how is this possible but I can get into gnome without udev...when I install udev my machine will get to a nice ncurses screen with some X error messages |
| 02:45.29 | welson | bob2, nah, dam you ;-)... I can edit plain text files without problem-- but the semantics for the xml-like files -- etc.. |
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| 02:45.31 | abrotman | Chavonbravo: did you wait? |
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| 02:45.45 | EdLin | eidolon: keep in mind that the Debian package may have the newer version's security fixes backported. |
| 02:45.54 | welson | bob2, actually-- i'm currently running X, but any console apps doesn't scare me 1bit.. |
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| 02:46.05 | eidolon | EdLin: i'd keep that in mind if the debian package i'm running wasn't released 3 weeks before this vulnerability was announced. |
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| 02:46.09 | Guerin | EdLin: in this case it doesn't. |
| 02:46.29 | Guerin | eidolon: backport the sid package if you care enough |
| 02:46.37 | bob2 | Chavonbravo: oh well, try asking on the debian-powerpc mailing list, or use sf.net's build machines |
| 02:46.39 | Guerin | eidolon: otherwise, you've been told where the mailing list is |
| 02:46.55 | abrotman | eidolon: just because it was released before the vuln was announced doesn't mean much .. the patch could have existed as a "security" issue |
| 02:47.00 | welson | bob2, I can't seem to find this info-- there's just a goto url in the hal doc /usr/share/doc.. which is the freedesktop site-- with little helpful rules guideline.. |
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| 02:47.06 | bob2 | welson: oh, I didn't mean it like that; gnome and kde have little automounters that listen to hal and mount things for the current user when they become available |
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| 02:47.37 | abrotman | someday i'll figure out gnome-volume-manager :) |
| 02:47.40 | eidolon | Guerin: you might want to tone down the attitude a bit. The world has advanced a tad from the days of "You don't like it? Fix it yourself and leave us alone." - debian 'stable' with security patches should track high end vulnerabilities, and i'm asking why this one isn't included. i've searched the changelogs and the security site, adn there is no mention of this, so i'm researching it. |
| 02:47.45 | whitehorse1 | Proprietary closed-source graphic drivers from the gfx card manufacturer that're freely (of charge) available; in principle is that something Debian Legal bods would allow into the non-free Debian repository? |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | eidolon: and we did tell you to contact debian-security@lists.debian.org |
| 02:48.07 | eidolon | abrotman: possibly, but the CVE is not mentioned anywhere, including ont he release notes of what vulnerabilities were fixed in the update posted in august. |
| 02:48.14 | eidolon | yup, i'm looking at that now. |
| 02:48.23 | welson | bob2, hmm.. that reminds me-- I believe I turned these off a long time ago-- i don't believe dbus would be one of them.. |
| 02:48.46 | abrotman | eidolon: that said .. apparently Mozilla does a pretty crappy job of providing patches that work on prior revisions |
| 02:48.47 | bob2 | welson: hal requires dbus to work |
| 02:48.54 | bob2 | whitehorse1: yes |
| 02:48.59 | dondelelcaro | whitehorse1: assuming we can actually distribute them, they can be made available. However, that's not often the case. |
| 02:49.07 | bob2 | whitehorse1: if something is distributable, it can normally go in non-free |
| 02:49.09 | abrotman | i like riding dbus ... they have really long ones in philly |
| 02:49.13 | whitehorse1 | I'm wondering in terms of the ATI drivers; I know about flavios site and x-org support; I was wondering about ATI's native proprietary ones they supply that aren't open source. |
| 02:49.16 | bob2 | whitehorse1: the nvidia drivers are there, for instance |
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| 02:49.30 | ke6isf | !yinzersmite abrotman |
| 02:49.33 | abrotman | whitehorse1: that's what flavios are |
| 02:49.34 | whitehorse1 | bob2 yep, that's what made me wonder |
| 02:49.41 | abrotman | :phillysmite ke6isf |
| 02:49.46 | abrotman | !phillysmite ke6isf |
| 02:49.52 | abrotman | so weak .. oh well |
| 02:50.09 | ke6isf | =^_^= |
| 02:50.22 | bob2 | whitehorse1: tho they were only added releatively recently; up unti lthen, nvidia didn't let anyone but them make the drivers available at all |
| 02:50.29 | bob2 | which always seemed remarkably pointless |
| 02:50.44 | welson | bob2, if you're fluent on this then wtf is the dam doc on this? I can't seem to find it.. |
| 02:50.55 | whitehorse1 | abrotman: Mmm, I know. But they've been in proposed packages for many months. With no sign of acceptance. I wondered if it was that they couldn't & wouldn't go in or if I could help press for them to go in (in a saying I'd like this sense in wherever forum)? |
| 02:51.16 | abrotman | whitehorse1: you mean the new.html ? |
| 02:51.18 | bob2 | welson: I don't know, sorry, I only know as much as I do (ie no details) from talking to people who develop with it |
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| 02:51.34 | Linux_whore | i was making keyboard shortcuts. now my p button does not work, and some other keys. i deleted the shortcuts already, but that did not fix it. |
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| 02:51.53 | abrotman | logout/login |
| 02:51.54 | bob2 | define "making keyboard shortcuts" |
| 02:52.16 | welson | bob2, 'cuse the maintainer guy, simply spits a 1-dirt line saying "a plenty of details" on the freedesktop.org and there ain't nothing!.. what kind of debian policy is this? |
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| 02:52.51 | bob2 | welson: thats no one's policy but the maintainer's |
| 02:53.12 | Entranced | I don't understand this...aptitude dist-upgrade wanted to keep things back... apt-get dist-upgrade installed the packages no problem..WTF ? |
| 02:53.13 | welson | bob2, well whoever maintains doesn't give a f** about it.. that's for sure.. |
| 02:53.16 | Linux_whore | i went to system>preferences>keyboard shortcuts in gnome. they are a combination of keys to do something such as logout. |
| 02:53.30 | abrotman | what putz named a java crypto lib/program Bouncy Castle ? |
| 02:53.56 | Gnea | welson: if you think you can do a better job, then do it. |
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| 02:54.32 | bob2 | Linux_whore: sure you disabled them? |
| 02:54.44 | eidolon | mail sent to security@debian.org with the CVE information. thanks. |
| 02:54.44 | Linux_whore | most of them |
| 02:55.01 | abrotman | eidolon: no .. debian-security@lists.debian.org :) |
| 02:55.19 | abrotman | eidolon: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/ |
| 02:55.25 | litage_ | if ./ is rwxr-sr-x and owned by root:root, and ./foobar is 660 and owned by root:foouser, would ./ need to be chmod'd g+w for foouser to write to ./foobar? |
| 02:55.30 | welson | Gnea, yeah, more than 1-line, I can include the date with that one too |
| 02:55.36 | whitehorse1 | abrotman: No, I meant at /devel/wnpp/prospective. But they been 801 days in preparation ie nothing's happpened in terms of their going in whatsoever |
| 02:55.40 | BadMan | are any of you using and mp3 encoder on debian sarge that outputs good mp3s for burning cds? |
| 02:55.45 | eidolon | from www.debian.org/security/faq#contact: |
| 02:55.45 | eidolon | Quink_: How can I reach the security team? |
| 02:55.46 | eidolon | apt: Security information can be sent to security@debian.org or team@security.debian.org, both of which are read by the members of the security team. |
| 02:55.47 | apt | eidolon: I think you lost me on that one |
| 02:55.47 | Gnea | welson: that's great, so go do it. |
| 02:55.52 | abrotman | whitehorse1: they're non-free |
| 02:56.00 | Linux_whore | bob2 is there a way to undo changes |
| 02:56.00 | eidolon | er, remove the auto-completion. |
| 02:56.03 | abrotman | eidolon: ok |
| 02:56.08 | welson | Gnea, see for yourself, if you can't help me, that's fine, i'll figure it out, and spit the whole thing right to you since you're crying for it |
| 02:56.20 | mwilson | BadMan: You do realize, of course, that that's an absolute contradiction in terms. There is no such thing, as you don't burn MP3's on CD's. |
| 02:56.25 | bob2 | whitehorse1: it would certainly be reasonable to follow up to it asking what's going on |
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| 02:56.36 | abrotman | mwilson: actually . i have CDs of MP3s |
| 02:56.37 | Gnea | welson: i'm not the one who has an issue with the package description. |
| 02:56.50 | Gnea | welson: you would be wise to loosen your attitude in here. |
| 02:56.50 | BadMan | mwilson: you burn a data disc containing mp3s correct? |
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| 02:57.03 | mwilson | BadMan: Other than as files, in which case the storage media is irrelevant. |
| 02:57.14 | gravity | welson: Just send a patch as a bug report |
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| 02:57.21 | mwilson | BadMan: Me, personally? No, I'd have no use for one. |
| 02:57.23 | gravity | welson: That's the easiest way to get something looked at |
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| 02:57.38 | abrotman | !tell BadMan about lame |
| 02:57.39 | welson | Gnea, well then I guess in your case your numb-null to rtfm-off me at all-- since I'm rtfming as much as I can, at least in this sense you should apprehend the case |
| 02:57.53 | BadMan | I need to rip/encode the cd to mp3s, that work so I can build customized discs for traveling however I cannot seem to get it right |
| 02:58.03 | mwilson | BadMan: As I said, the actual media (your HD, the CD, your USB flash drive) is irrelevant. |
| 02:58.19 | welson | Gnea, and report it as well-- a tight-lipped mouth trying his ass-best to finding a document about it-- thanks for your arrogance and null-to-help.. |
| 02:58.26 | mwilson | BadMan: Can't seem to get what right? It's just a file. |
| 02:58.31 | eidolon | another sunny day on #debian :-/ |
| 02:58.42 | gravity | welson: Please calm down |
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| 02:58.56 | gravity | welson: If you're going to do something, just do it. Don't waste your energy telling us about it. |
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| 02:58.59 | BadMan | twell toolame dont seem to work with ripperx is a file double the size of any song the same length, however it is just a load of jibberish and squelaing |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | grip works ok with lame .. or it used to anyways |
| 02:59.15 | Gnea | welson: apparantly, you are not wanting to be here any longer. |
| 02:59.16 | eidolon | BadMan: i've used grip with cdparanoia and/or lame. |
| 02:59.21 | eidolon | wfm. |
| 02:59.25 | beardy | "rtfming" reading the fine manualing? that's the use of that acronym/word I don't get.. |
| 02:59.29 | gravity | Nice to see other people still using grip. I thought I was the only one. |
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| 02:59.40 | BadMan | hmm dont know if i hve grip brb |
| 02:59.41 | Gnea | yeah really, when did i specifically say 'RTFM'? |
| 02:59.47 | abrotman | beardy: no .. you already added the 'ing' :) |
| 02:59.55 | welson | Gnea, I said you're not helpful, that's all-- even though I'm cool about it... I really don't like your attitude period. |
| 02:59.55 | mwilson | gravity: Did anyone ever use grip? |
| 02:59.58 | whitehorse1 | bob2: Ah, but they aren't in non-free. Hence the problem. ;) The filed bug at prospective packages for them seems to suggest distribution's allowed and already is implemented on gentoo/mandrake for instance. || bob2: I think so too. What might be the best place to follow it up on? A Debian mailing list (the debian legal one?) || Should I try and clarify with ATI Inc.'s legal dept what the restrictions if any on distribution are? |
| 03:00.04 | abrotman | i used grip for a long time |
| 03:00.04 | Entranced | grrr.... how can I fix this problem... Did any of you guys see this ? "I cannot start the X server (your grafical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?" |
| 03:00.05 | mwilson | gravity: Even among Gnome applications, it's pretty bad. |
| 03:00.07 | gravity | mwilson: It's all I've ever used. I like it. |
| 03:00.18 | abrotman | i haven't tried it since sarge was relased |
| 03:00.20 | Gnea | welson: actually, you're the one that came in here with the shitty attitude. it is you who needs to change. |
| 03:00.33 | eck | Entranced: look at the server output and it will tell you waht is going on |
| 03:00.35 | dondelelcaro | Gnea, welson: just drop it already, use /ignore if you need to. |
| 03:00.38 | gravity | Entranced: Check your /var/log/Xorg.log.0 |
| 03:00.47 | Gnea | oh it's already done |
| 03:01.01 | Entranced | eck, gravity this happens after I installed udev |
| 03:01.10 | abrotman | gravity: it's not Xorg.0.log ? |
| 03:01.12 | gravity | Entranced: Check your log and see why |
| 03:01.13 | mwilson | gravity: I always figured that the same idiot that'd designed xine's UI designed grip's. |
| 03:01.27 | gravity | mwilson: It's not the best UI, but it's worked solidly for me for years |
| 03:01.38 | gravity | abrotman: Right |
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| 03:01.40 | bob2 | whitehorse1: on follow up the bug report |
| 03:01.47 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: For ripping a CD? That must be interesting. :) |
| 03:01.52 | welson | dondelelcaro, well it doesn't drift-- there are those who help and those who don't :).. I really don't care about it nwayz.. (its over) |
| 03:01.57 | dondelelcaro | oh, sorry; I use jack there. |
| 03:02.04 | eck | Entranced: maybe the name of one of your devices changed? |
| 03:02.24 | Entranced | I haven't istalled any new hardware |
| 03:02.29 | bob2 | abcde 4 lyf |
| 03:02.32 | gravity | Entranced: Just check your log |
| 03:02.35 | beardy | welson: it's sp3lled n*e*wayz |
| 03:02.37 | gravity | Entranced: It will tell you what you need to know |
| 03:02.38 | Entranced | looking |
| 03:02.40 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it's also a music player .. but mostly an audio CD ripper/encoder |
| 03:02.57 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: ah... yeah, I usually just use jack+cplay or similar |
| 03:02.58 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: GTK 1.x app that called itself a Gnome application while doing all it could to ignore what there was of a Gnome HIG back then. |
| 03:03.18 | abrotman | there was no gnome HIG when grip first came out |
| 03:03.35 | mwilson | Not a formal one, no. |
| 03:03.42 | whitehorse1 | cool thx |
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| 03:03.50 | gravity | Heh, in the gnome1 days? There wasn't much of anything formal |
| 03:03.51 | abrotman | yeah .. the old one was "Hey .. this looks good over here" :) |
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| 03:05.21 | abrotman | gravity: see .. the time changed again! |
| 03:05.25 | gravity | heh |
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| 03:05.52 | cio | Hi all. Where do I save my iptables rules so they survive a reboot in debian (sarge)? |
| 03:06.03 | abrotman | cio: /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 03:06.04 | abrotman | read them |
| 03:06.17 | cio | I was hoping for the quick answer, which script. |
| 03:06.23 | Entranced | gravity, Cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such file or directory. |
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| 03:06.35 | gravity | Entranced: Ok. What kind of mouse do you have? |
| 03:06.39 | Entranced | generic |
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| 03:06.43 | gravity | ffs |
| 03:06.45 | gravity | Entranced: USB? |
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| 03:06.49 | Entranced | nope |
| 03:06.52 | Entranced | ps2 |
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| 03:06.57 | gravity | Entranced: Check /dev/input |
| 03:06.58 | abrotman | standard 2 button PS/2 mouse ? |
| 03:07.10 | Entranced | 3 button (wheel) |
| 03:07.14 | gravity | Entranced: See if /dev/input/mouse0 exists or something |
| 03:07.19 | Entranced | it doesn't |
| 03:07.23 | gravity | What's there? |
| 03:07.31 | Entranced | event0 1 2 |
| 03:07.35 | gravity | hrm |
| 03:07.35 | Gnea | welson: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ |
| 03:07.43 | gravity | Entranced: Do you have the psmouse module loaded? |
| 03:07.43 | vineet | eck: is that freeborn I see in your domain? |
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| 03:07.50 | Daveman | Hi I'm having trouble installing 2.6 via netinstall |
| 03:07.51 | eck | vineet: yes |
| 03:07.58 | vineet | go bears! |
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| 03:08.07 | Entranced | gravity, how would I know ? |
| 03:08.10 | eck | vineet: are you a student? |
| 03:08.12 | gravity | Entranced: lsmod | grep psmouse |
| 03:08.26 | gravity | Entranced: Or rather, '/sbin/lsmod | grep psmouse' |
| 03:08.30 | vineet | eck: alumnus, class of 2000 |
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| 03:08.38 | Entranced | it's there |
| 03:08.41 | kataklysm | when is gnome 2.12 going to be on the repos? |
| 03:08.57 | eck | vineet: awesome. yeah, go bears! |
| 03:09.14 | nvz | da bears |
| 03:09.20 | danieldg | cio: look at /etc/init.d/iptables or /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz |
| 03:09.22 | Entranced | gravity, psmouse 30980 0 |
| 03:09.30 | nav5 | hello, I'm a former-windows user. I'm trying to install firefox for debian. Which folder should I install it to? Is there an equivalent of "Progam Files" in debian? |
| 03:09.38 | gravity | Entranced: Ok... I'm trying to remember what device the psmouse is on... |
| 03:09.44 | vineet | nav5: just grab the package mozilla-firefox |
| 03:09.45 | Entranced | thnx |
| 03:09.48 | Gnea | nav5: no, forget windows |
| 03:09.49 | Daveman | anyone? :\ |
| 03:09.56 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 03:09.57 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 03:10.11 | Daveman | right |
| 03:10.15 | gravity | Entranced: You have hotplug installed, right? |
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| 03:10.25 | Entranced | I would hope so :) |
| 03:10.31 | Gnea | !tell Daveman about ask |
| 03:10.34 | nav5 | ok, so in other words there is on central location where programs are installed? I just wanted to keep everything organized |
| 03:10.37 | Daveman | nah |
| 03:10.37 | kataklysm | nav5, firefox will have diff files that goes in diff directories, if you just install the package, it will install the binary to the /usr/bin directory so you can run it by typing firefox at a command prompt |
| 03:10.38 | vineet | Daveman: what's the trouble? |
| 03:10.40 | ke6isf | Dave123: What kind of trouble are you having? You don't indicate this. |
| 03:10.41 | nvz | Gnea: he did ask, it was vague |
| 03:10.49 | nav5 | ah okay, thanks |
| 03:10.54 | vineet | nav5: that's what the package manager is for |
| 03:10.55 | Gnea | nav5: programs usually get installed to /usr/bin |
| 03:10.58 | Entranced | gravity, sure thing I have hotplug in here |
| 03:11.00 | beardy | !tell nav5 about reference |
| 03:11.04 | Gnea | !tell nav5 about newbie-guide |
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| 03:11.19 | vineet | nav5: it will keep track of what files came from what packages, and allow you to remove/upgrade them cleanly |
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| 03:11.34 | ke6isf | oops... s/Dave123/Daveman |
| 03:11.42 | Azar | has anyone experienced problems when trying to get agpgart ? |
| 03:11.44 | kataklysm | nav5, click your System menu, go to Administrative, and select Synaptic |
| 03:11.46 | Entranced | gravity, this has been happening sine I upgraded to kernel 2.6.12 and udev 0.070 |
| 03:11.47 | Daveman | on the netinstall, using the 2.4 branch has no problems loading the ethernet modules, and then getting a dhcp lease, however, when using the 2.6 branch, it loads the appropriate ethernet modules, however, the interface/device is unable to acquire a lease, at all. |
| 03:11.53 | Daveman | any ideas? |
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| 03:12.05 | kataklysm | nav5, synaptic will be your best friend while your getting use to linux :D |
| 03:12.06 | vineet | Daveman: what type of NIC? |
| 03:12.11 | nav5 | ok, letmme try that, thank you! |
| 03:12.12 | Daveman | fyi, this is for epia |
| 03:12.15 | Gnea | nav5: you might want to check out synaptic as well |
| 03:12.17 | Azar | DAveman, my friend installed Sarge 3 times and had same problem |
| 03:12.19 | Daveman | vineet: so via-rhine |
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| 03:12.24 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:12.31 | ke6isf | Dave123: My suggestion is to just install 2.4 mode, and install the 2.6 kernel later. |
| 03:12.32 | Entranced | gravity, I can boot into 2.6.11 (since it's not dependent on udev - if I understand it correctly...) |
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| 03:12.35 | ke6isf | argh! |
| 03:12.39 | ke6isf | Daveman: My suggestion is to just install 2.4 mode, and install the 2.6 kernel later. |
| 03:12.43 | gadzooks | I upgraded to 2.6 and now my cdrom burner doesn't work. Anyone know if there's a quick fix for this? |
| 03:12.44 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:12.48 | Azar | ke6isf, is a Sarge installer issue |
| 03:12.50 | vineet | Daveman: well you could always just complete the install with the 2.4 kernel and troubleshoot and update the kernel later |
| 03:12.56 | gravity | Entranced: What package version of udev do you have installed? |
| 03:13.13 | Azar | vineet, an installation with no connection is dead |
| 03:13.23 | Entranced | the newest one..I just installed it (I had it removed and my system booted into 2.6.12) weird ! |
| 03:13.23 | nvz | gadzooks: User error, replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue. |
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| 03:13.25 | Daveman | vineet, I'm more interested to know why this happens? |
| 03:13.27 | Azar | no way to get a new kernel |
| 03:13.39 | Daveman | as from what I've been able to decern, it's not a module issue... |
| 03:13.45 | vineet | Azar: I thought the 2.4 installation worked fine? |
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| 03:13.54 | Entranced | gravity, the newest one..I just installed it (I had it removed and my system booted into 2.6.12) weird ! |
| 03:13.58 | Azar | vineet, Sarge installer does not enable a connection |
| 03:14.02 | Daveman | though I'm skeptical to think it's an installer "bug" |
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| 03:14.07 | gravity | Entranced: "Newest one"? For what? Unstable? |
| 03:14.15 | Azar | vineet, I went woody in order to be able to create a connection |
| 03:14.30 | Entranced | gravity, I'm sorry...yes Sid - udev 0.070-2 |
| 03:14.31 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:14.46 | gadzooks | nvz: tried it already, didn't help the burner but I saw some neat lights :) |
| 03:14.46 | vineet | Azar: what "connection" are we talking about? I've installed sarge ~100 times on Internet-connected hosts |
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| 03:14.54 | Azar | Daveman, the dhcp is reported successful right? |
| 03:15.02 | Daveman | Azar, huh? |
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| 03:15.10 | Daveman | dhcp lease is possible under the 2.4 kernel, using netinstall |
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| 03:15.26 | Daveman | however appears just simply "not-to-work", under the 2.6 kernel... |
| 03:15.38 | gravity | Entranced: I'm afraid I don't know what to tell you. X won't load because it can't find the mouse where you tell it to find it. You have to figure out where udev is putting your mouse device and then specify that location for X. |
| 03:15.55 | vineet | Daveman: I'd guess that this is a bug in the module in that specific kernel version, which may or may not be fixed in later ones |
| 03:16.08 | Daveman | hmm :\ |
| 03:16.18 | gravity | Entranced: This is, sadly, a common problem, but I don't understand udev enough to fix it |
| 03:16.31 | Entranced | gravity, Thnx for your help... I figured that the damn udev is at fault in here... I just don't know enough about udev to tackle this issue |
| 03:16.33 | vineet | Daveman: sorry that doesn't help much, and is a total guess |
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| 03:16.40 | gravity | And X isn't in any shape to deal with it right now, although maybe in a few years |
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| 03:16.50 | gravity | Entranced: Nor I. Good luck though. |
| 03:16.54 | Entranced | hehe |
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| 03:16.56 | Entranced | thnx |
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| 03:17.00 | Daveman | vineet, yeah I know -- I've been doing likewise for the past hour or so :P |
| 03:17.03 | vineet | Daveman: but it sounds like the kernel is telling the OS and everything above that the interface is up |
| 03:17.16 | gravity | udev system break Shocker! |
| 03:17.19 | Azar | Daveman, however, few months ago while playing with a reinstall, upgrade, etc, I noticed that upgrading the kernel to 2.6.8 in Sarge I lost connection so I had to do a modconf and reinstall the ethernet module. |
| 03:17.22 | Daveman | :p |
| 03:17.30 | Entranced | gravity, maybe I should e-mail the package maintainer |
| 03:17.40 | vineet | Daveman: it's just not sending and/or receiving packets |
| 03:17.46 | Daveman | Azar: ack |
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| 03:17.50 | gravity | Entranced: He's not the nicest guy to deal with. I don't recommend it. |
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| 03:18.01 | Entranced | gravity, so I've heard |
| 03:18.04 | Daveman | vineet, hence why it cannot properly send a DHCP_DISCOVER packet, for example? |
| 03:18.12 | Daveman | despite what the dhcp client may say :\ |
| 03:18.19 | vineet | Daveman: right, or maybet it's sending out the packets but not receiving the replies |
| 03:18.19 | nvz | heh |
| 03:18.26 | Daveman | vineet, yeah |
| 03:18.27 | Entranced | gravity, do I have another choice ? What is I don't use udev at all ? |
| 03:18.35 | gravity | Entranced: Sure, you can not use udev. |
| 03:18.40 | vineet | Daveman: you may be able to tell which it is by using a sniffer on another host, but even so that probably doesn't really get you anything |
| 03:18.43 | Daveman | vineet, well, at least, according to the dhcp client it would be the latter... |
| 03:18.46 | gravity | Entranced: You give up some nice things, but you can get by without it just fine |
| 03:18.55 | Daveman | vineet, right |
| 03:18.56 | Entranced | gravity, like what ? |
| 03:19.03 | gravity | Entranced: gnome-volume-manager |
| 03:19.07 | gravity | If you use it |
| 03:19.09 | Entranced | ohh |
| 03:19.10 | vineet | Daveman: well the kernel could be failing to receive the packets and pass them up to the dhcp client process |
| 03:19.24 | vineet | Daveman: or is it saying unable to send or something? |
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| 03:19.40 | vineet | Daveman: I guessed it appears to just keep trying to send |
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| 03:20.21 | Entranced | gravity, does the package maintainer hang out on IRC anywhere ? |
| 03:20.26 | beardy | gravity: Is that the only use of udev? |
| 03:20.37 | Daveman | vineet, well the dhcp client, for example, just keeps sends out DHCP_DISCOVER packets or whatnot, and just eventually times out... |
| 03:20.38 | gravity | Entranced: Yeah he's around sometimes I guess |
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| 03:20.43 | Daveman | guess it's not receiving anything back :\ |
| 03:20.47 | gravity | Entranced: I recommend going another route though. Don't deal with him. |
| 03:20.52 | gravity | beardy: The only use I have for it |
| 03:20.53 | Entranced | hehe |
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| 03:21.06 | liable | hrm, my keyboard has mysteriously changed to gb layout.. |
| 03:21.08 | Entranced | gravity, he is Italian |
| 03:21.12 | vineet | Daveman: whether it's not sending, or not receiving, or both, it's pretty much useless either way |
| 03:21.17 | gravity | So? |
| 03:21.21 | Entranced | gravity, he can't be that bad ! |
| 03:21.21 | Daveman | yeah :( |
| 03:21.26 | gravity | uh.... |
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| 03:21.34 | gravity | Entranced: Hey dude, if you want to, just file a bug report |
| 03:21.40 | Entranced | :) |
| 03:21.44 | gravity | Entranced: Provided you've checked the current ones |
| 03:21.45 | vineet | Daveman: try to get up and running using 2.4, then install the latest 2.6 package, and it might just work |
| 03:21.48 | Entranced | I did |
| 03:21.49 | zdennis_ | is there a log to see recent apt-get calls? |
| 03:21.49 | Linux_whore | my p key does not work after i made some keyboard shortcuts. is there anyway to fix that or undo changes or set them back to default? some other keys also do not workhow can i fix ubuntu i guess i will reinstall it again noone here knows |
| 03:21.55 | Daveman | vineet: yeah |
| 03:21.57 | czarnoff | is there a way to see if Xorg module is loading? |
| 03:22.01 | Daveman | that's what I'm currently doing :P |
| 03:22.04 | vineet | Daveman: you could also try a more recent 2.6 package, e.g. from testing |
| 03:22.06 | ke6isf | Linux_whore: #ubuntu is over there ---> |
| 03:22.07 | gravity | czarnoff: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:22.12 | Daveman | yeah |
| 03:22.17 | nvz | zdennis_: ~/.bash_history |
| 03:22.20 | Entranced | Bugzilla was my first place to check |
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| 03:22.36 | czarnoff | gravity, it doesn't list any module loads |
| 03:22.36 | Gnea | !tell Linux_whore about ubuntu |
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| 03:22.40 | ke6isf | Linux_whore: And nobody can answer you if you just put everything and your "give up" on the line. |
| 03:22.43 | nvz | zdennis_: probably /root/.bash_history |
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| 03:23.18 | Linux_whore | ubuntu can not help me i am there |
| 03:23.20 | gravity | czarnoff: grep 'LoadModule' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:23.41 | Gnea | Linux_whore: well does this look like #ubuntu? |
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| 03:23.51 | gravity | Linux_whore: Not our problem. |
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| 03:24.02 | Xenguy | Hi, where do I look for Vim help with diacritics (accented characters)? Specifically I want to know how to type accented characters in Vim (#vim seems clueless tonight) |
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| 03:24.07 | Linux_whore | dpkg gnea wants you to know: See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 03:24.07 | dpkg | Linux_whore: what are you talking about? |
| 03:24.08 | czarnoff | gravity: blank |
| 03:24.09 | beardy | Linux_whore: Why do you think this channel can then? We are not running ubuntu, the people in #ubuntu are. |
| 03:24.11 | ke6isf | Linux_whore: Ubuntu is not Debian. We don't support it. |
| 03:24.12 | Linux_whore | ubuntu is based on debian |
| 03:24.20 | beardy | !debian based |
| 03:24.20 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
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| 03:24.22 | zdennis_ | nvz, nope, nothing , any other ideas? |
| 03:24.27 | Gnea | but it is NOT debian |
| 03:24.29 | Gnea | HINT HINT |
| 03:24.32 | zdennis_ | nothing that shows the recent package installation history? |
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| 03:24.42 | ke6isf | It's not Sunday until we get one of those. |
| 03:24.46 | gravity | czarnoff: Normal Xorg logs show module loads |
| 03:24.49 | nvz | zdennis_: nope |
| 03:25.12 | vineet | Daveman: maybe it's this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=311357 ? |
| 03:25.13 | nvz | zdennis_: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 03:25.13 | Azar | Daveman, like vineet said, I started with 2.4 then upgraded to a 2.6.8, the highest precompiled, and it worked |
| 03:25.14 | gravity | czarnoff: If you don't have them, then you're not loading any modules |
| 03:25.23 | gravity | Which is... odd |
| 03:25.43 | liable | where is my console keymap specified? |
| 03:26.03 | czarnoff | gravity: so it doesn't seem to be loading my modules. :| any suggestions on how to make them load? |
| 03:26.11 | Jerub | liable: I don't remember, but 'loadkeys' is for changing the keymap |
| 03:26.25 | liable | thanks |
| 03:26.27 | gravity | czarnoff: Are there no modules listed in your xorg.conf? |
| 03:26.32 | gravity | czarnoff: How did you install X? |
| 03:26.42 | Entranced | hey liable !~ |
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| 03:27.32 | Azar | Xenguy, try vimtutor |
| 03:27.33 | czarnoff | gravity: i'm using the debian packages for xorg in testing. I have a "Module" section. I have Load "xxx" lines. |
| 03:27.36 | beardy | liable: /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz ? (from the INSTALL-KEYMAP(8) manpage) |
| 03:28.12 | gravity | czarnoff: Are there any errors or warnings in your X log? |
| 03:28.20 | Entranced | liable, after fighting with udev last night I fux0red my system to a point of "not booting"... I was able to rescue my system with total uninstall of udev |
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| 03:28.33 | Daveman | hmm, maybe? |
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| 03:29.05 | liable | Entranced: ooh, nasty.. the downgrade failed eh? |
| 03:29.14 | Entranced | yup |
| 03:29.18 | vineet | zdennis_: if you use aptitude, it logs in /var/log/aptitude |
| 03:29.33 | Entranced | liable, after that was done my system just hanged there |
| 03:29.37 | vineet | as if we needed another reason to prefer aptitude =) |
| 03:29.42 | liable | beardy: cheers, i dunno how the fuck it got changed, but |
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| 03:29.46 | Entranced | liable, when trying to find devices |
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| 03:30.00 | czarnoff | gravity: no errors listed. Unless i try to use the fglrx module. Since it doesn't load it, it finds no screens. |
| 03:30.04 | servus | aptitude scares me, and I don't think I'll ever use it. |
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| 03:30.18 | vineet | it's practically a drop-in command line rpelacement for apt-get |
| 03:30.19 | nvz | servus: works the same as apt |
| 03:30.23 | liable | Entranced: hrm, dunno what went wrong, i have had to do it a couple of times.. |
| 03:30.35 | gravity | ugh |
| 03:30.38 | nvz | servus: aptitude install foo, aptitude search foo |
| 03:30.44 | gravity | czarnoff: Sorry. I can't help you with that fglrx shit. |
| 03:30.45 | Entranced | liable, where did you get your version (the working one ?) of udev |
| 03:30.50 | gravity | czarnoff: You need to ask in #ati |
| 03:30.50 | servus | Does not. I can't find out how to move the bells nor the whistles out of the way so that I can actually use it, so I figure why bother. |
| 03:31.05 | liable | Entranced: in my apt cache, i dont clean it out very often.. |
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| 03:31.12 | Entranced | liable, ahhh |
| 03:31.14 | nvz | servus: does too. man aptitude |
| 03:31.23 | servus | apt-get for me. |
| 03:31.31 | Entranced | that is why I couldn't find anything close to 0.60 |
| 03:31.58 | gravity | Because, magically, those are the cause of 99% of the problems |
| 03:32.03 | Entranced | hehe |
| 03:32.07 | liable | Entranced: i just roll it back generally to the one before the newest one.. |
| 03:32.23 | gadzooks | I'm still trying to get this cd burner working under 2.6.8...is there something else I have to do besides enabling ide-cd and disabling ide-scsi? |
| 03:32.23 | czarnoff | gravity: fair enough but it won't load any modules |
| 03:32.33 | gravity | czarnoff: I can't help you. Sorry. |
| 03:32.35 | vineet | nvz: yeah, you can tell the difference the first time it removes a no-longer-needed dependency for you automatically |
| 03:32.40 | gravity | czarnoff: It's an fglrx problem. |
| 03:32.43 | Entranced | liable, I think that I just may have to get rid of it altogether to make my system work |
| 03:32.57 | servus | Yep, I can. aptitude show bash is 1-2 seconds slower than apt-cache show bash |
| 03:33.07 | czarnoff | gravity: if i load the normal driver it won't load freetype either :/ |
| 03:33.13 | Phated | servus: It was linked to apt-get, not apt-cache. |
| 03:33.17 | servus | I'm talking about the aptitude menu system anyway, obviously. |
| 03:33.25 | vineet | servus: which in turn is slower than dpkg -p |
| 03:33.28 | liable | Entranced: not a bad idea anyway.. its a bit of a pita |
| 03:33.28 | beardy | servus: And just think about what you could have accomplished in that 1-2 seconds. |
| 03:33.40 | Phated | Could have got off IRC and shut up. :) |
| 03:33.45 | gadzooks | cdrecord -scanbus says "cannot open /dev/pg*". Am I just missing some devices? |
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| 03:33.53 | Entranced | liable, udev has been nothing BUT pain for me for past few days/nights |
| 03:34.00 | servus | beardy: I'm not complaining. I'll complain about RedHat Yum. |
| 03:34.01 | nvz | Phated: not anymore, we know you are here |
| 03:34.02 | gravity | czarnoff: It won't load freetype? |
| 03:34.05 | Phated | nvz: Bahah. |
| 03:34.16 | vineet | servus: don't get me wrong, I don't want this to turn into "you're lame if you don't use aptitude" |
| 03:34.18 | czarnoff | gravity: it doesn't load any of my modules. |
| 03:34.24 | servus | Fedora Core 4's yum takes near a minute to even search for a package, and the packages it contains are ancient, ancient, ancient. |
| 03:34.36 | Entranced | liable, hal depends on udev... |
| 03:34.39 | Azar | vineet, do you think they gonna fix that issue with the ethernet in 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 03:34.40 | gravity | czarnoff: With no errors? Probably because you broke something by installing fglrx. |
| 03:34.47 | nvz | Phated: the hypnotizing glow of me hilighting your nick will not let you leave |
| 03:34.58 | gravity | czarnoff: Anyway, again. I'm sorry. I can't help you. |
| 03:34.59 | Phated | nvz: Will too, but I don't want to lose channel order. :) |
| 03:35.08 | liable | Entranced: yeah, i think thats how most people unwittingly end up with it.. |
| 03:35.11 | gadzooks | Is there an upgrade guide for 2.6.8 for Debian somewhere? |
| 03:35.30 | servus | Upgrade of what? |
| 03:35.49 | Phated | The kernel, apparently. |
| 03:35.50 | gadzooks | upgrading to 2.6.8 kernel from 2.4.27 |
| 03:36.00 | gadzooks | it broke my cd burner. |
| 03:36.04 | vineet | Azar: I don't really know the specifics of the bug, but I've done plenty of installs that worked. I'd bet it's specific to that one driver, and I'd guess it's probably already fixed in more recent kernels |
| 03:36.08 | czarnoff | gravity: I'm going to apt-get remove x*** --purge and reinstall, any suggestions on the cleanest x*** to use? |
| 03:36.16 | Entranced | liable, BAM! just like that... unistalled udev and now I'm sitting in front of nice gdm screen :) |
| 03:36.17 | nvz | Phated: /window immortal |
| 03:36.21 | cunakya | after I install cd 1 and reboot, how do I install cd 2? |
| 03:36.30 | Phated | nvz: Heh. I'm not going to part. |
| 03:36.31 | liable | Entranced: :) |
| 03:36.39 | czarnoff | gravity: goal is to start over with x |
| 03:36.50 | liable | cunakya: it asks you if you have any more cd's.. |
| 03:36.50 | Entranced | damn udev ... |
| 03:36.52 | servus | Yeah, gadzooks, it does that. |
| 03:37.11 | cunakya | liable: when? I must have missed it |
| 03:37.19 | gadzooks | servus: is there a fix, or am I just magically screwed? |
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| 03:37.31 | servus | http://lwn.net/Articles/98379/ |
| 03:37.31 | nav5 | I installed firefox using synaptic. I can't seem to find it in any of the menus in kde |
| 03:37.41 | servus | "2.6.8 and CD recording" |
| 03:37.49 | vineet | nav5: you may have to log out and back in to see it in the menus |
| 03:37.52 | Entranced | I need to report a bug...but don't know where it belongs... "Show Dewsktop" has quit unexpectedly right after booting into Gnome... |
| 03:37.53 | liable | cunakya: well, sometime during the install, run apt-setup and you can do it there, dont you have internet? |
| 03:38.01 | vineet | nav5: you can just type 'firefox' in a konsole/xterm/etc |
| 03:38.02 | gadzooks | ok, more web searching (sigh)... |
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| 03:38.09 | J_P | hi all |
| 03:38.10 | servus | So run your CD recording program as root |
| 03:38.11 | nav5 | ah okay, thanks |
| 03:38.13 | servus | That's the solution for now. |
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| 03:38.15 | vineet | nav5: also try update-menus -- that may just work |
| 03:38.24 | servus | A sudo will work... |
| 03:38.24 | cunakya | liable: no internet on this one. I guess i'll reinstall it and try not to skip past the screens so fast |
| 03:38.26 | By-Tor | Is there something wrong with 2.6.12 and cdrecord? |
| 03:38.36 | beardy | nvz: It should be there. Have you looked under Net? (the menus may have changed since I last saw them) |
| 03:38.42 | By-Tor | I'm running Sid. |
| 03:38.50 | servus | There is with 2.6.8 at least, By-Tor. You can also set the CD recording software's binary to chown root and suid |
| 03:38.53 | Entranced | I may as well install Breezy :) |
| 03:38.54 | liable | cunakya: just run apt-setup |
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| 03:39.01 | vineet | gadzooks: what are you using to burn CDs? is it just the burning that fails, or can you also not mount/read from the drive? |
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| 03:39.12 | servus | You need to be root to burn CDs in Linux 2.6.8+ |
| 03:39.12 | gadzooks | sudo doesn't seem to work. also, cdrecord -scanbus doesn't turn up any devices |
| 03:39.13 | By-Tor | Its making coasters. |
| 03:39.17 | J_P | You know if exist anyone non oficial debian packe for zoneminder 1.21.3 ? |
| 03:39.20 | gadzooks | I don't think it's finding the device |
| 03:39.27 | beardy | nvz: sorry :) |
| 03:39.27 | servus | But as what user, gadzooks? |
| 03:39.31 | czarnoff | gravity: thanks for your help btw. |
| 03:39.35 | By-Tor | As a normal user. |
| 03:39.46 | gadzooks | I'm using sudo and it still fails |
| 03:39.54 | gravity | czarnoff: Just make sure you get rid of all the fglrx stuff. Things like that have a tendency to hang around because dpkg has no idea they exist |
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| 03:40.00 | gravity | czarnoff: I have no idea how to do that |
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| 03:40.13 | gravity | czarnoff: Anyway, I have to go. Good luck |
| 03:40.17 | czarnoff | gravity: k |
| 03:40.21 | gadzooks | I get this message like "Cannot open '/dev/pg*'" |
| 03:40.23 | liable | brb |
| 03:40.34 | Entranced | gravity, thanks for your time |
| 03:40.35 | gadzooks | is it just a missing device or something? |
| 03:40.54 | useruser | when i run ifup eth0 in single user mode, it says "failed to opn statefile /etc/network/run/ifstate: No such file or directory". And there really isn't such a file. what to do? |
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| 03:41.16 | gadzooks | looking under /dev, there are indeed no pg devices, but I thought those were scsi things and wouldn't be needed by ide-cd |
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| 03:41.29 | servus | If cdrecord -scanbus fails, remember that it can only handle SCSI CD recorders. If you have a non-SCSI device, you need to enable SCSI emulation.. |
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| 03:41.39 | useruser | in fact, /etc/network/run is a symlink do /dev/shm/network, but /dev/shm is empty |
| 03:41.42 | useruser | :S |
| 03:41.56 | useruser | s/do/to/ |
| 03:42.00 | vineet | is "dev=atapi:/dev/hdc" still OK, or is that deprecated? I don't remember precisely |
| 03:42.03 | gadzooks | do I need ide-cd if I run ide-scsi? |
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| 03:42.04 | useruser | what populates /dev/shm? |
| 03:42.06 | liable | ahh, thats betterer.. |
| 03:42.24 | servus | See if your device is scsi-emulated with something like dmesg | grep -i scsi |
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| 03:42.33 | beardy | useruser: Why are you running in single user mode? The network isn't brought up in single user mode (?) |
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| 03:43.02 | useruser | beardy: for recovery and backup purposes |
| 03:43.20 | WiFiTux | which one is a good email client, evolution looks like it puts spaces on my patches and is TOO slow. |
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| 03:43.22 | beardy | useruser: What are you recovering or backuping? |
| 03:43.22 | stew | gadzooks: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 03:43.24 | gadzooks | I get SCSI subsystem initialized |
| 03:43.27 | servus | OK looks like you can do ATAPI:/dev/hdc or whatever to use your CD writer as SCSI in 2.6 |
| 03:43.40 | nvz | servus: of course tou are wrong about the -scanbus |
| 03:43.47 | useruser | beardy: the contents of my hard disk. i want to minimize unnecessary activity, as it's already crapped out on me several times today |
| 03:43.57 | beardy | useruser: Ok |
| 03:44.00 | stew | servus: how is that using it as SCSI? |
| 03:44.01 | servus | What are you talking about, nvz? |
| 03:44.25 | useruser | beardy: do you know how to get the network going in single-user mode? |
| 03:44.25 | nvz | servus: cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus |
| 03:44.26 | gadzooks | ok...does that mean I do something like cdrecord -f ATAPI:/dev/hdc -scanbus? |
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| 03:44.34 | nvz | servus: will find IDE ATAPI drives |
| 03:44.36 | stew | gadzooks: are you on 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:44.43 | gadzooks | 2.6.8 |
| 03:44.50 | By-Tor | I think the latest cdrecord in SID is messed up. |
| 03:44.52 | stew | gadzooks: don't use ide-scsi with 2.6 |
| 03:44.53 | gadzooks | which apparently sucks |
| 03:45.02 | stew | By-Tor: checked the bts? |
| 03:45.11 | servus | man cdrecord | grep -i scanbus --after-context=3 | tr '\n' ' ': -scanbus: Scan all SCSI devices on all SCSI busses and print the inquiry strings. This option may be used to find SCSI address of the CD/DVD-Recorder on a system. The numbers printed out as labels are computed by: bus * 100 + target |
| 03:45.13 | gadzooks | yeah, already disabled ide-scsi, have ide-cd running |
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| 03:45.47 | servus | cdrecord dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc may work, substituting hdc |
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| 03:46.10 | By-Tor | stew: I'm going to try to downgrade. |
| 03:46.39 | nvz | servus: cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus: scsidev: 'ATAPI' 0,0,0 0) 'LG ' 'CD-ROM CRD-8482B' '1.05' Removable CD-ROM |
| 03:46.42 | beardy | useruser: I run single user mode so seldom.. but what happens when you run /etc/init.d/networking start ? |
| 03:46.49 | useruser | beardy: what i said before |
| 03:46.54 | useruser | beardy: never mind, i'm rebooting |
| 03:47.00 | By-Tor | stew: This burner is only 12 years old. HP 8100 |
| 03:47.08 | DifanceR | i looked for info on the internet but cant find my answer. i want to know how to make xwindows work on my debian. anyone can give me some tip ? |
| 03:47.17 | useruser | beardy: i got networking going in single user before, but this time the fsck failed and it dumped me at a shell prematurely |
| 03:47.25 | By-Tor | stew: It might be broken, but I find it suspicious that its been making coasters since going to 2.01 |
| 03:47.30 | nvz | hdc: CRD-8482B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
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| 03:47.57 | servus | Well I'm operating on a CD-less server right now, so I can't check manually, but my experience and the man file support that that should work. |
| 03:47.59 | gadzooks | now that I look at it, there isn't even a /dev/hdc |
| 03:47.59 | beardy | useruser: Well, that probably explains it then. |
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| 03:48.14 | gadzooks | just hda* and hdb* |
| 03:48.31 | stew | By-Tor: so its not just sid's version then, 2.01 is in sarge |
| 03:48.35 | gadzooks | maybe I'm just missing a bunch of devices. |
| 03:48.43 | pop0y | poipo |
| 03:48.45 | pop0y | ioo |
| 03:48.46 | pop0y | oio |
| 03:48.49 | beardy | useruser: Boot a resucefloppy/livecd and get the network up, and fsck or backup from there? |
| 03:48.56 | pop0y | oioi |
| 03:48.57 | pop0y | o0p |
| 03:49.00 | gadzooks | is there an update scrive that didn't get called somewhere in the 2.6 upgrade? |
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| 03:49.05 | gadzooks | I meant script |
| 03:49.58 | stew | gadzooks: you are running udev? |
| 03:50.13 | gadzooks | it would show up in the process list, right? |
| 03:50.25 | nvz | servus: and you can cdrecord -dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 file.iso as well. you are not suppose to use scsi emulation anymore the ATAPI support works now. |
| 03:50.26 | stew | gadzooks: udevd would |
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| 03:50.43 | useruser | beardy: ok, i'm on the home straight now. thanks for taking the time. |
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| 03:50.52 | gadzooks | doesn't seem to be there |
| 03:50.54 | By-Tor | stew: Nice. Hopefully my drive is dead, cause this could be a BIG bug. |
| 03:51.01 | gadzooks | so maybe I need to install that, huh? |
| 03:51.17 | stew | gadzooks: no |
| 03:51.29 | By-Tor | stew: I want this damn drive to DIE already so I can upgrade to a DVD+RW drive. |
| 03:51.37 | gadzooks | no... ok... |
| 03:51.39 | stew | gadzooks: it would explain why you don't have a /dev/hdc |
| 03:51.41 | beardy | useruser: No problem, good luck. |
| 03:51.55 | stew | By-Tor: why can't you upgrade even if it didn't die? |
| 03:52.08 | gadzooks | so is there another way to create the device, or do I need udev, which I don't understand too well by the way? |
| 03:52.16 | By-Tor | stew: I'm funny that way ;) |
| 03:52.21 | jackburton | hello, i'm fairly new to debian . only done a few sarge installs. |
| 03:52.52 | jackburton | how do i install unstable correctly? is it working, cuz i'm running into problems using sarge with apt-get dist-upgrade after pointing apt sources.list to unstable |
| 03:52.57 | By-Tor | stew: I've got better things to spend my 49 bucks on I guess. |
| 03:53.05 | stew | gadzooks: you don't need udev. if you were running udev and the device wasn't there, it would indicate that you didn't have a driver loaded or that there wasn't a drive attached or that udev was misconfigured. if you aren't running udev you should have that file regardless |
| 03:53.18 | By-Tor | stew: Like soccer leagues and equ, magic tg, dnd, you know. |
| 03:53.39 | stew | gadzooks: dpkg -l udev ; dpkg -l devfsd ; make sure neither or those returns a "ii" in the first 2 columns |
| 03:53.51 | stew | jackburton: iyhtays |
| 03:54.17 | mwilson | Wheeee! |
| 03:54.31 | jackburton | ?iyhtays? |
| 03:54.34 | gadzooks | nope, both give me rc in the first col |
| 03:54.56 | cheal | !tell jackburton about iyhtays |
| 03:55.01 | gadzooks | maybe I just need to create an hdc device |
| 03:55.44 | stew | gadzooks: man MAKEDEV |
| 03:55.52 | gadzooks | ok, manning... |
| 03:56.10 | stew | gadzooks: but it begs the question of, how the heck did your /dev/hdc get deleted in the first place |
| 03:56.48 | mwilson | zoom zoom zoom |
| 03:56.53 | gadzooks | I don't know, but sda and sda1 for my memory stick also went away in 2.4 -> 2.6 transition |
| 03:57.03 | DifanceR | no one can tell me how to have access to xwindow ? |
| 03:57.03 | gadzooks | I had to recreate them too |
| 03:57.26 | beardy | DifanceR: Try again, be specific. |
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| 03:57.41 | stew | DifanceR: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 03:57.47 | stew | DifanceR: or run tasksel |
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| 03:58.01 | stew | DifanceR: or run aptitude and go to tasks -> desktop (or something) |
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| 03:58.42 | stew | gadzooks: upgrading your kernel would not delete files from /dev |
| 03:58.43 | DifanceR | i got the 2 dvd package |
| 03:58.58 | csheppard | cant access windows drive from any user account other than root how do i fix this |
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| 03:59.04 | DifanceR | the apt-get will search by himself ? |
| 03:59.17 | beardy | !tell csheppard about vfatrw |
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| 03:59.35 | stew | DifanceR: yes, you may need to run apt-cdrom first if your sources.list doesn't already know about the dvds |
| 03:59.42 | gadzooks | ok, cdrecord -scanbus seems to have found it now |
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| 04:00.19 | DifanceR | ok. just something else. how do i unmont my cdrom ? |
| 04:00.21 | DifanceR | o.O |
| 04:00.22 | gadzooks | when I went to create the device, it didn't want to let me because there was a .devfsd file in the /dev directory |
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| 04:00.50 | gadzooks | I'm guessing that this was left over from some devfs thing and screwed up the install script for 2.6 |
| 04:01.06 | gadzooks | I renamed it and now it works |
| 04:01.17 | gadzooks | trying xcdroast now |
| 04:01.19 | Art | Does anyone have MPlayer working? |
| 04:01.20 | DifanceR | anyway thx il try few things |
| 04:01.31 | DifanceR | bye bye |
| 04:01.31 | Art | In Etch. |
| 04:01.40 | cheal | !tell anyone |
| 04:01.43 | cheal | ugh |
| 04:01.45 | liable | Art: you compiled it? |
| 04:01.49 | stew | Art: lots and lots of people /msg dpkg mplayer ; /msg dpkg marillat |
| 04:01.56 | beardy | Art: What's not working? Be specific? |
| 04:01.57 | cheal | !tell chealer about sleep |
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| 04:02.09 | Art | liable, No, apt-get install. |
| 04:02.14 | nvz | why does a null string take up a line :P |
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| 04:02.37 | Art | beardy, Won't play audio or video. |
| 04:02.49 | nvz | nm stupid question |
| 04:02.53 | Guerin | Art: what error? |
| 04:02.56 | foo | He (Art) installs w32codecs, mozilla-player .. and he can't watch a stream in firefox that is windows media player format |
| 04:02.57 | liable | Art: get the w32codecs if they arent already installed.. |
| 04:03.02 | foo | liable: He's got them |
| 04:03.06 | Guerin | Art: and what command do you use to set it up? |
| 04:03.09 | Art | stew, Thanks. |
| 04:03.20 | beardy | foo: Sitting beside him? |
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| 04:03.35 | foo | beardy: Nah, just a friend ...we were talking about this in another channel. |
| 04:04.01 | Art | Guerin, That's the question, I think. |
| 04:04.26 | Art | Guerin, What command should I use? |
| 04:04.30 | foo | Guerin: I did apt-get mplayer mozilla-plugin w32codecs and it worked for me. hmm |
| 04:04.52 | Art | Guerin, Same thing here. |
| 04:04.52 | Xenguy | The keyword for vim accented character help is not 'diacritic'; it is 'digraph' -- grrrr |
| 04:04.54 | liable | mozilla-mplayer.. |
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| 04:05.20 | Art | liable, Yup, tha tone. |
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| 04:05.26 | Art | that one |
| 04:05.27 | liable | Art: try about:plugins in the adress bar in firefox |
| 04:05.33 | tq | somebody speak spanisk? |
| 04:05.35 | beardy | Art: So your mplayer did work all the time.. |
| 04:05.39 | beardy | !es |
| 04:05.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:06.07 | Art | liable, Mplayer shows in about:plugins. |
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| 04:06.25 | Art | beardy, Never worked. |
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| 04:06.49 | liable | Art: it cant play an ordinary .avi? |
| 04:06.57 | beardy | Art: Yes it did. The thing you were after were mozilla-mplayer. |
| 04:06.57 | tq | dpkg, ok, but i cant resolve mi question in debian-es |
| 04:07.04 | tq | can you help me? |
| 04:07.10 | liable | Art: and whats the error? |
| 04:07.21 | beardy | tq: dpkg is a bot. Try to ask here then. |
| 04:07.23 | Art | liable, No error, just hangs. |
| 04:07.37 | tq | how can generate the menu k of my kde |
| 04:07.42 | tq | how can re generate the menu k of my kde |
| 04:08.03 | tq | thanks beardy |
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| 04:08.24 | Art | Think I'll try removong and reinstalling all mplayer prog. |
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| 04:08.47 | liable | Art: purge it.. is it 386? |
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| 04:09.03 | tq | i run apt-get and next the k menu of my kde enviroment disaparer |
| 04:09.18 | Art | liable, I believe 586 or 686. |
| 04:09.21 | liable | tq: running sid? |
| 04:09.29 | liable | Art: try the 386 one |
| 04:09.44 | Art | liable, Ah, good idea. Thanks. |
| 04:10.07 | tq | liable, no, ethc |
| 04:10.08 | Art | My CPU is a PIII, 866 MHz. |
| 04:10.09 | tq | liable, no, etch |
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| 04:10.42 | Art | foo, What version are you running? |
| 04:11.01 | foo | MPlayer 1.0pre7-3.3.5 (C) 2000-2005 MPlayer Team |
| 04:11.03 | Guerin | Art: running mplayer --help; from the cli gets you what? |
| 04:11.05 | foo | Art: ^ |
| 04:11.30 | tq | liable, ? |
| 04:11.32 | Guerin | note that the binary is mplayer, not MPlayer or mPlayer or Mplayer |
| 04:11.33 | Art | Guerin, Just a sec. |
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| 04:12.15 | nvz | I made a little one liner to tell if someone is using a regular /dev/ or if they have devfs or udev. If they have regular dev it returns nothing, if they have udev it returns "udev" and if they have devfs and no udev it returns "devfs" however if they have both it returns "udev" :P echo -n $(dpkg -l udev|grep ii;df -T|grep devfs)|cut -d " " -f 2 |
| 04:12.30 | Art | Guerin, MPlayer 1.0pre7-3.3.5 (C) 2000-2005 MPlayer Team |
| 04:12.30 | Art | CPU: Intel Celeron 2/Pentium III Coppermine,Geyserville (Family: 6, Stepping: 6) |
| 04:12.30 | Art | Detected cache-line size is 32 bytes |
| 04:12.30 | Art | CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0 |
| 04:12.30 | Art | Compiled for Debian. |
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| 04:12.48 | Guerin | quelle idiot |
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| 04:13.41 | tq | please, somebody helpme? |
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| 04:14.29 | Art | Guerin, Hehe, guess that got me in trouble. |
| 04:15.07 | liable | tq: did you just upgrade some kdelibs? |
| 04:15.17 | Guerin | Art: so what precisely doesn't work? |
| 04:15.25 | tq | mmm, maiby |
| 04:15.30 | tq | i dont know |
| 04:16.02 | Art | Guerin, Audio and video, tho I can sometimes get audio to work. |
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| 04:16.54 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:17.06 | Guerin | Art: could you be a bit vaguer? |
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| 04:17.27 | Guerin | Art: what format, what errors do you get, wtf happens or doesn't? |
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| 04:17.48 | smallfoot- | didnt freenode.info used to exist? |
| 04:17.54 | Art | Guerin, Sorry, I'm going to try your 386 idea. Thanks for the help. |
| 04:17.55 | Pfated | freenode.net, now. |
| 04:18.01 | smallfoot- | i use freenode.org |
| 04:18.07 | smallfoot- | but .info used to exist, right? |
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| 04:21.03 | Pfated | Dunno. |
| 04:21.51 | smallfoot- | ok |
| 04:21.54 | smallfoot- | you not old schooooooool |
| 04:21.57 | gadzooks | hey everyone, my cd burner works just fine now...thanks for all your help...this group is the best! |
| 04:22.04 | smallfoot- | NP |
| 04:22.04 | wireddd | I just tried to apt-get upgrade, and it won't upgrade udev because it says it requires a 2.6.12 kernel or newer, how do I need to go about fixing this? upgrade the kernel? |
| 04:22.26 | smallfoot- | YES. |
| 04:22.31 | Daveman | so I updated it to 2.6 but now it doesn't boot -- hangs up on loading usb :\ |
| 04:22.38 | smallfoot- | then you compiled it wrong |
| 04:22.49 | smallfoot- | recompile it with proper settings until it work |
| 04:22.50 | liable | NO, put stupid udev on hold.. |
| 04:22.54 | smallfoot- | or stick to 2.4 without udev |
| 04:22.55 | Daveman | haha |
| 04:23.08 | smallfoot- | daveman your name rhymes on caveman OMG LOLOLOL |
| 04:23.16 | wireddd | i'm using 2.6.8 right now |
| 04:23.18 | Daveman | smallfoot-, go back to aol? |
| 04:23.19 | Daveman | :P |
| 04:23.21 | smallfoot- | :D |
| 04:23.24 | peterS | smallfoot-: and brave man |
| 04:23.24 | Daveman | and yes, it does ;) |
| 04:23.28 | smallfoot- | yeh |
| 04:23.32 | Daveman | peterS, oh, hey peterS :) |
| 04:23.34 | Daveman | :P |
| 04:23.37 | Daveman | heh |
| 04:23.39 | peterS | hey, Daveman |
| 04:23.42 | Daveman | braveman? that just sounds lame :) |
| 04:23.47 | smallfoot- | daveman is a brave man not to be confused with a cafeman!!!!!! YEHHHHHhhhhh |
| 04:23.52 | Daveman | I don't know botje called me caveman a lot |
| 04:24.09 | Daveman | I guess he, in turn found the nickname botgee to be offensive, analogously? *rolls eyes* |
| 04:24.16 | Daveman | smallfoot-, calm down? |
| 04:24.21 | Daveman | here have some free alcohol? |
| 04:24.21 | smallfoot- | ok |
| 04:24.21 | smallfoot- | sorry |
| 04:24.21 | Daveman | :P |
| 04:24.34 | Daveman | vineet, you still around? |
| 04:24.50 | smallfoot- | pssst... psst |
| 04:24.53 | smallfoot- | ill tell you a secret |
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| 04:25.00 | smallfoot- | <whispers> i've never ever used debian |
| 04:25.08 | ke6isf | smallfoot-: Then why are you here? |
| 04:25.18 | smallfoot- | many poeple are here, and i like to talk shit :D |
| 04:25.47 | smallfoot- | but i can be cute! |
| 04:25.51 | Daveman | anyway, so how's it going peterS? |
| 04:25.59 | ke6isf | !ops smallfoot- is...well, you know. |
| 04:26.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: smallfoot- is...well, you know. |
| 04:26.15 | smallfoot- | A TROLL!! A TROLL! |
| 04:26.25 | smallfoot- | TROLL SPOTTED 5'o CLOCK!! RED ALERT!! |
| 04:26.26 | Daveman | Yes, you are, now sit down and wait your turn :P |
| 04:26.28 | smallfoot- | fire the alarm! |
| 04:26.29 | peterS | Daveman: I'm a bit tired but in a good way. 3 more or less solid hours of dancing. |
| 04:26.31 | smallfoot- | :D |
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| 04:26.33 | Pfated | Self-substantiation. Wow. |
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| 04:26.38 | wireddd | so how do I put a hold on udev? |
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| 04:26.39 | Daveman | basically |
| 04:26.40 | smallfoot- | hey |
| 04:26.42 | smallfoot- | what happend? |
| 04:26.48 | smallfoot- | did someone kick me? or did i press the wrong button? |
| 04:26.48 | ke6isf | !tell wireddd -about hold |
| 04:26.48 | Daveman | smallfoot-, you were forceably removed. |
| 04:26.52 | smallfoot- | cuz this window closed |
| 04:26.54 | smallfoot- | ok |
| 04:26.55 | Daveman | smallfoot-, please behave. |
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| 04:27.02 | Daveman | heh |
| 04:27.04 | Daveman | bye |
| 04:27.06 | peterS | smallfoot-: you got smacked down by an op. take the hint |
| 04:27.09 | Rez | he didn't seem to get the point. |
| 04:27.13 | Daveman | thanks Rez :) |
| 04:27.20 | Pfated | Go Rez, go Rez. |
| 04:27.25 | ke6isf | !beer Rez |
| 04:27.26 | Daveman | peterS, wow, that's a lot of practice :o |
| 04:27.33 | Daveman | peterS, you must be exhausted :p |
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| 04:27.43 | peterS | Daveman: not practice per se, though one could call it that. this was social |
| 04:27.54 | Daveman | oh, nice :P |
| 04:28.04 | Pfated | Hmm. I'm getting bursts of traffic. Spotty lag? |
| 04:28.09 | peterS | Daveman: exhausted was the one day a couple months ago when I did 10 hours of dancing within 15 hours of wall clock time |
| 04:28.37 | wireddd | ok so its still trying to install the new udev everytime I try and apt-get anything |
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| 04:29.09 | Daveman | peterS, yeah... wow |
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| 04:29.31 | peterS | Daveman: 3 hours isn't that bad, in comparison. besides, there are breaks, I don't dance every song |
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| 04:29.44 | Daveman | :p |
| 04:29.47 | Daveman | true |
| 04:30.02 | cheal | !w32codecs |
| 04:30.02 | dpkg | from memory, w32codecs is codecs to run numerous codecs used on win32 systems. see <marillat> for information |
| 04:30.11 | wireddd | just ignore what I just said, i'm an idiot... |
| 04:30.19 | cheal | dpkg: no, w32codecs is a package not in Debian (or non-free or contrib) due to legal issues that provides numerous multimedia codecs normally found on win32 systems for popular but usually proprietary formats. ask me about <marillat> to get it anyway |
| 04:30.19 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 04:30.29 | peterS | tonight the band played a great deal of music that would have been really good for west coast swing. unfortunately I don't know any west coast, and neither do most of the people I was with |
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| 04:30.53 | peterS | so one does lindy hop or whatever but with an unavoidable west coast feel to it |
| 04:31.12 | Daveman | O.o |
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| 04:32.45 | donw_ | Any recommendations for a good way for Linux and Windows users to be able to do video chat? I've got a camera working with V4L, but can't seem to find much in the way of clients/servers/etc... |
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| 04:33.15 | servus | donw_: Have you tried Yahoo! Java Chat? |
| 04:33.15 | peterS | donw_: gnomemeeting and windows 'netmeeting' seem to be the usual way |
| 04:33.29 | peterS | donw_: not that I've tried them |
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| 04:34.19 | donw_ | peterS: Can netmeeting run on a newer (WinXP) system? |
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| 04:34.32 | peterS | donw_: I assume it still comes with Windows XP |
| 04:34.45 | peterS | it came with windows 2000 |
| 04:34.47 | Daveman | anyway, I was curious, if anyone knew why USB was hanging up.... *rolls eyes* |
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| 04:35.38 | servus | Netmeeting comes with XP. Do a Start -> Run -> "Conf" |
| 04:35.48 | greyson | Hey all, anyone have a suggestion as to the correct debian way to add a new kernel to grub? Specifically one which is the same version as the running one, but with a couple patches and config changes. |
| 04:36.11 | servus | /usr/src/linux/make deb-pkg |
| 04:36.19 | peterS | greyson: build the kernel with make-kpkg (in the kernel-package package) and install it as a debian package |
| 04:36.24 | Daveman | heh |
| 04:36.32 | greyson | servus: hey, again. |
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| 04:36.36 | servus | kpkg? |
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| 04:36.37 | servus | Hi. |
| 04:36.40 | peterS | greyson: that's the usual way, it takes care of grub as well as the usual package management stuff (install/uninstall, dependencies) |
| 04:37.07 | servus | I've had personal success with my method, YMMV. |
| 04:37.11 | greyson | peterS: Okay. Cool, that's what I thought, but I'm always hesitant to just do a straight kpkg install of a kernel which I'm not sure will work. |
| 04:37.27 | potsmoker | hey i am having problems with my sound in mepis I use a conexant riptude sound card I got the install but get erros |
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| 04:37.37 | peterS | greyson: feel free to look at /boot/grub/menu.lst afterwards to verify that your kernel got added correctly |
| 04:37.41 | Daveman | ke6isf? |
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| 04:37.53 | mwilson | potsmoker: Ask in a Mepis channel. |
| 04:37.56 | peterS | greyson: or even edit that file by hand, but the idea here is to avoid having to |
| 04:38.25 | Daveman | meh |
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| 04:38.29 | potsmoker | how do I get there I have never use linux before |
| 04:38.32 | potsmoker | irc neither |
| 04:38.51 | mwilson | You found your way here, didn't you? |
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| 04:39.13 | Pfated | Mepis still has their IRC client doing dumb things. |
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| 04:39.28 | Pfated | potsmoker: /part #debian, then /j #mepis |
| 04:39.38 | peterS | Pfated: you sound german with that nick |
| 04:39.45 | Pfated | peterS: Yeh, well. :) |
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| 04:39.59 | peterS | Pfated: guess it's better than Pharted |
| 04:40.05 | Phated | peterS: Indeed it is. |
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| 04:40.15 | xKintaro | Hello0 |
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| 04:41.14 | potsmoker | I am having sound issues |
| 04:41.25 | Phated | potsmoker: Go to #mepis. |
| 04:41.31 | mwilson | potsmoker: But you're still not running Debian. |
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| 04:42.48 | nullvoid | hi all |
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| 04:43.55 | nullvoid | I had installed apt-cron, but it seems like it doesn't download packages at the cronjob, I don't know where to modify to get it to download all the upgrades |
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| 04:44.48 | By-Tor | This sucks. |
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| 04:45.19 | By-Tor | I don't want to switch to an older kernel just to write cds |
| 04:45.25 | Daveman | ... |
| 04:45.45 | wireddd | By-Tor what kernel is giving you trouble? |
| 04:45.54 | By-Tor | 2.6.12 |
| 04:45.54 | Daveman | By-Tor, thanks for the overwhelming description of your issue :) |
| 04:46.07 | By-Tor | okay |
| 04:46.09 | By-Tor | again |
| 04:46.27 | By-Tor | like I explained before, cdrecord is now making coasters ever since I upgraded it and the kernel. |
| 04:46.48 | wireddd | well thanks for the info I was just about to build it |
| 04:47.07 | By-Tor | Everything goes just fine, it burns, its fixates, but I can't mount it. |
| 04:47.07 | concept10 | how do I access ext3 from windows? |
| 04:47.18 | Daveman | waffle |
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| 04:47.28 | Daveman | explore2fs? |
| 04:47.36 | wireddd | it doesn't work in any other computers? |
| 04:47.56 | Daveman | By-Tor, any chance you're mounting it improperly? |
| 04:48.01 | Daveman | :\ |
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| 04:49.36 | wireddd | so dpkg is basically an irc wiki |
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| 04:50.31 | biffiford | mix in some SMS and gopher capabilities and it will destroy the Earth! |
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| 04:51.08 | wireddd | its only a matter of time before it is self aware |
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| 04:51.47 | webfreak | ... |
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| 04:52.38 | Pfated | Actually, no. The idiots who keep making dumb factoids prevent that from happening. |
| 04:53.11 | webfreak | which is why they should limit the people allowed to create new ones. |
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| 04:53.23 | webfreak | so dpkg knows who to kill first. |
| 04:53.43 | Pfated | 700-user channel. Right. |
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| 04:54.26 | asuffield | most people appear to be self-aware despite the fact that their knowledge is comprised entirely of dumb factoids |
| 04:54.30 | webfreak | have fun. |
| 04:54.36 | asuffield | I do not see why this would be a barrier |
| 04:54.46 | Pfated | Heh. |
| 04:54.51 | wireddd | thats a good point |
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| 04:56.21 | aeronadix | I have a thinkpad laptop. How do I speed up the mouse and increase the mouse's sensitivity? |
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| 04:56.39 | asuffield | Pfated: what's up with the pf? |
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| 04:57.39 | helix | she's no longer ph-balanced |
| 04:57.49 | Pfated | asuffield: It's a second nick. Let's leave it at that. |
| 04:57.58 | Pfated | I never was balanced, helix. :) |
| 04:58.22 | bob2 | you need buffer. |
| 04:58.23 | helix | I won't ask whether you're top or bottom heavy |
| 04:58.44 | asuffield | I've never got on well with pfs. they're irritating to pronounce |
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| 04:59.10 | helix | do you have problems with pns too? |
| 04:59.29 | asuffield | at least it's not pms |
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| 05:00.07 | helix | also, playing music appears to cause spontaneous reboots |
| 05:00.09 | helix | this is highly annoying |
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| 05:00.44 | peterS | play music from some source other than a .swf then |
| 05:00.57 | helix | I've long since banned flash |
| 05:01.08 | helix | this is from standard ogg files |
| 05:01.11 | asuffield | peterS: nah, this is PEBKAC. helix is a breaker |
| 05:01.20 | peterS | asuffield: I know, I know |
| 05:01.33 | helix | I keep thinking I broke something spectacularly recently, but it's hard to keep up |
| 05:01.40 | peterS | asuffield: <helix> some people tear stuff apart, it's all they're good at |
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| 05:01.49 | peterS | apropos of nothing (: |
| 05:01.54 | helix | peterS: I do not tear stuff apart :) |
| 05:02.00 | helix | it just sort of crumbles in my hands... |
| 05:02.01 | asuffield | yeah, and some people just touch things and then they fall apart |
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| 05:02.19 | asuffield | even things which are not SUPPOSED to fall apart, and in fact cannot be taken apart without an O-A torch |
| 05:02.46 | peterS | you're saying she causes things to oxidize drastically and prematurely? |
| 05:02.48 | peterS | that could be useful |
| 05:02.54 | XplOzIon | clear |
| 05:02.55 | helix | hmm |
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| 05:03.04 | mjk64 | Mornin (now it's really morning here =) |
| 05:03.05 | helix | peterS: I do have a very high electromagnetic field |
| 05:03.09 | asuffield | I'm saying she's a breaker. be a sysadmin for long enough and you'll meet one. any large organisation has one |
| 05:03.22 | helix | or like, gamma rays |
| 05:03.25 | din | gn |
| 05:03.31 | peterS | mjk64: in my TZ it's 00:03, so that is morning |
| 05:03.43 | asuffield | there's always somebody, usually up many flights of stairs, who can break anything you give them in inexplicable ways |
| 05:03.48 | mjk64 | peterS: Yippieh, I was right! ;-) |
| 05:03.53 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i have a question: i recently got a usb dvd burner but i dont know how to get debian to detect it |
| 05:03.54 | peterS | asuffield: indeed. I've seen them |
| 05:04.08 | mjk64 | peterS: When did you really get to bed yesterday? |
| 05:04.12 | wireddd | does tar have a file size limit? |
| 05:04.17 | peterS | mjk64: hmmmm. about 13 hours ago? |
| 05:04.39 | asuffield | so you get a call saying "my computer doesn't work" and you go up to find the CD tray snapped off, three keys glued down, and the CRT tube imploded |
| 05:04.42 | mjk64 | peterS: Err ... you mean ... at *noon*? |
| 05:04.44 | peterS | asuffield: so what does 'reset the breaker' or 'throw the breaker' mean, figuratively? one could have fun with this one |
| 05:05.03 | asuffield | and you only put that damn box in their office that morning |
| 05:05.05 | peterS | mjk64: I think it was about 11:00, but I can't remember for sure |
| 05:05.16 | mjk64 | peterS: shift worker? |
| 05:05.18 | helix | asuffield: I don't break hardware :P |
| 05:05.22 | asuffield | peterS: you're welcome to try to throw helix. you will need a crane. and maybe a trebuchet. |
| 05:05.33 | asuffield | I sure can't lift her |
| 05:05.39 | helix | you weigh 50 lbs |
| 05:05.42 | peterS | asuffield: I don't think I'll risk it. I think I could but she'd sue |
| 05:05.44 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ne1 know? |
| 05:05.50 | asuffield | helix: you weigh TWICE WHAT I DO |
| 05:05.52 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i could realy use the help please |
| 05:05.52 | helix | peterS, otoh, actually has muscles |
| 05:05.59 | peterS | asuffield: or bring down the wrath of some cabal or other upon my head |
| 05:06.13 | helix | asuffield: my cat weighs twice what you do |
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| 05:06.33 | asuffield | peterS: I think she *is* the wrath |
| 05:06.48 | peterS | asuffield: well, I still think I could take her in a fair fight |
| 05:06.58 | asuffield | I don't. she's mean |
| 05:06.58 | peterS | which is not to say the kind of fight women usually engage in, but anyway |
| 05:07.05 | Daveman | ;p |
| 05:07.20 | asuffield | and her idea of fair is one where you're doing all the screaming |
| 05:07.21 | peterS | I appreciate the warning from one who has met her in person though |
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| 05:08.08 | peterS | helix: I don't think I've got noticeable muscles. I can lift reasonable human beings, is all |
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| 05:08.23 | helix | peterS: I didn't say noticeable |
| 05:08.27 | Daveman | :o |
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| 05:08.30 | mhall | peterS: ? what sort of conflict is this to which we are referring |
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| 05:09.00 | peterS | mhall: conflict? there is no conflict. we are at peace with helix and at war with eurasia. we have always been at peace with helix and at war with eurasia |
| 05:09.44 | Daveman | heh |
| 05:09.51 | helix | oh god my upgrade finally finished |
| 05:10.00 | helix | will I ever learn to upgrade more often than once every 6 months? |
| 05:10.13 | Daveman | wow |
| 05:10.17 | peterS | it's not worth upgrading more often than once every 6 months |
| 05:10.20 | xerophyte | does anybody use stunnel in its configuration option TIMEOUTidle = seconds => time to keep an idle connection does that mean stunnel will die after that many seconds because i have stunnel server running to tunnel a connection to cherrypy server but it dies after certain while just wondering if that related |
| 05:10.20 | Daveman | that's pretty frequent |
| 05:10.29 | asuffield | mhall: pit. oil. two walk in. one slithers out. |
| 05:10.34 | mjk64 | What's the meaning of the "<num>:" prepending a version number in "apt-cache show <blah>" output? Like this: "apt-cache show ircd-hybrid" gives me "Version: 1:7.0.3-2" - what's the "1:"? |
| 05:10.40 | helix | peterS: if I hadn't used aptitude, I wouldn't have had enough space in /var |
| 05:10.48 | Daveman | ;p |
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| 05:10.58 | peterS | mjk64: part of the version number. you can pretty much ignore it, it's kind of an implementation detail. technically <num> is the "epoch" |
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| 05:11.03 | helix | is Daveman a bot? |
| 05:11.06 | Daveman | another win for aptitude? |
| 05:11.07 | peterS | helix: how does aptitude help that, then? |
| 05:11.10 | Daveman | helix, negative. |
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| 05:11.25 | mhall | heh; people won't usually fight me because i'm a big guy with a reputation of being pretty angry |
| 05:11.29 | mjk64 | peterS: Ah, okay! (Wow, you seem to know /everything/! :-) |
| 05:11.35 | helix | peterS: I don't know the technical details, but it seems to reduce the number of packages to upgrade by about half |
| 05:11.44 | Daveman | ;) |
| 05:11.49 | peterS | mjk64: no, I ignore the hard questions and answer the easy questions correctly, so I seem to know a lot more than I actually do |
| 05:11.54 | helix | mhall: or maybe they think you have cooties and don't want to touch you? |
| 05:11.57 | Daveman | helix, nah, it just hides them better :P |
| 05:11.59 | Daveman | hahaha |
| 05:12.00 | mjk64 | peterS: heh ;-) |
| 05:12.01 | Daveman | wtf |
| 05:12.14 | mhall | helix: not according to what people tell me |
| 05:12.29 | mhall | helix: they just tell me, matt, you're a big angry guy |
| 05:12.35 | mhall | helix: wouldn't like to fight you |
| 05:12.42 | Daveman | well, that's pretty straightforward :P |
| 05:12.55 | helix | I'm sorry to say this, but I don't believe you |
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| 05:13.25 | mhall | helix: well, roll out to ca.us and see for yourself if you'd like |
| 05:13.28 | peterS | mjk64: I do know more than a lot of people here. but OTOH I know a lot less than some others |
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| 05:13.45 | mhall | Daveman: yeah; the way i see it, rather an open and shut case |
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| 05:13.56 | mjk64 | peterS: I don't see others, I only see you. :-} |
| 05:14.00 | Daveman | heh |
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| 05:14.10 | mhall | also these days i've started exercising a lot more so my arms are stronger |
| 05:14.13 | agustin | this is not computer related question, but I need specifications for a good mobile phone |
| 05:14.22 | helix | <mhall> and the steroids help |
| 05:14.36 | peterS | is there gonna be a mhall vs. asuffield on pay per view? |
| 05:14.44 | helix | that would rule |
| 05:14.49 | Pfated | I concur. |
| 05:14.51 | mhall | helix: no my joints couldn't take steroids |
| 05:14.52 | cafebaby | agustin, debian-based? |
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| 05:15.08 | asuffield | I'd rather have helix vs Pfated |
| 05:15.08 | wireddd | I wish there was a debian based cellphone |
| 05:15.12 | Phated | Nah. |
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| 05:15.15 | peterS | asuffield: yes, we know what you want |
| 05:15.20 | helix | heh |
| 05:15.23 | bob2 | wireddd: nokia almost makes one |
| 05:15.25 | agustin | cafebaby no just a regular cellphone |
| 05:15.27 | mhall | agustin: what country / company? |
| 05:15.31 | asuffield | peterS: barely-clothed soggy girls, right |
| 05:15.34 | agustin | in US |
| 05:15.37 | cafebaby | agustin, boring |
| 05:15.43 | Phated | Soggy? |
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| 05:15.51 | mhall | agustin: ok, are you in a rural area or a city |
| 05:15.51 | agustin | :D |
| 05:15.52 | mjk64 | Mud wrestling? Where? |
| 05:15.55 | helix | he likes his women like he likes his pants |
| 05:16.01 | peterS | Phated: who are you and what have you done with Pfated? |
| 05:16.03 | mjk64 | helix: 8-)) |
| 05:16.03 | Phated | Heh. |
| 05:16.04 | agustin | mhall i'm in downtow LA |
| 05:16.07 | asuffield | yeah, cheap |
| 05:16.12 | peterS | helix: not bad, not bad |
| 05:16.15 | Phated | peterS: I'm about to overpower her and kill her session. |
| 05:16.23 | peterS | Phated: is *that* going to be on pay per view? |
| 05:16.25 | mhall | agustin: alright, in that case i'd suggest the $39.99 1000 minute plan from t-mobile |
| 05:16.39 | akusarujin | hmm.. could anyone suggest a decent term with unicode and transparency support? kindof avoiding eterm.. considering aterm... rxvt doesn't have transparency, i believe.. |
| 05:16.47 | mhall | agustin: as for phones, let me look a sec |
| 05:16.51 | Phated | peterS: Apparently not, unless someone was damn quick with the vidcam. |
| 05:16.52 | bob2 | akusarujin: none of them have real transparency |
| 05:16.54 | agustin | ok |
| 05:16.59 | peterS | Phated: don't underestimate us |
| 05:17.12 | Phated | peterS: Well, then, tune in this autumn. |
| 05:17.19 | peterS | yeah |
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| 05:17.31 | mjk64 | bob2: What's unreal transparency, then? |
| 05:17.35 | akusarujin | bob2: eh, as if i'm looking for "real" transparency in an application (isn't that up to x, anyway?) |
| 05:17.35 | helix | autumn needs to be a more popular word; fall is so boring |
| 05:17.39 | Phated | mjk64: The kind you get now. |
| 05:17.54 | peterS | mjk64: basically where a window shows the background image but does not show any other windows that are underneath it |
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| 05:17.58 | mhall | agustin: hmm i'd say motorola v188 for a regular old phone |
| 05:18.03 | peterS | mjk64: if there are no windows underneath it, it looks like real transparency |
| 05:18.06 | mhall | agustin: it's quad band so you get the best coverage |
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| 05:18.07 | mjk64 | Phated: Hm. Never tried transparency, but from the screenshots, the various terms claiming to have that look pretty ... transparent. |
| 05:18.20 | mhall | akusarujin: konsole for KDE perhaps |
| 05:18.21 | mjk64 | peterS: Oh! I see ... |
| 05:18.24 | peterS | mjk64: but if you have overlapping windows, the difference is pretty obvious |
| 05:18.26 | bob2 | akusarujin: X.org can do it with transset |
| 05:18.26 | Phated | mjk64: Real transparency shows the windows underneath, as opposed to the desktop. |
| 05:18.32 | helix | wtf, $189 one way tickets to london? |
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| 05:18.50 | peterS | you want to go to london but not return? |
| 05:18.51 | agustin | mhall thank you so much.. i'm looking not a fancy phone, but something that have great reception |
| 05:18.52 | mhall | helix: hmm blackouts, time/date limits abound on such offers |
| 05:18.53 | bob2 | that's rather good |
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| 05:19.02 | wireddd | konsole has the same transparency as everything else |
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| 05:19.10 | mjk64 | Phated: Hmm ... and that's not possible currently? Or does that need some of the stuff at freedesktop.org (vaguely seem to remember something)? |
| 05:19.10 | helix | peterS: I wouldn't be opposed to such a thing |
| 05:19.12 | mhall | agustin: yeah when you are in downtown LA you will get good signal from almost anything |
| 05:19.13 | Phated | That's... about 400 here? Decent, for London. |
| 05:19.15 | helix | but I just saw a commercial :) |
| 05:19.16 | Phated | mjk64: Dunno. |
| 05:19.22 | akusarujin | mhall: somewhat bloated |
| 05:19.28 | helix | Phated: yes, I'm wondering what the return ticket costs |
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| 05:19.32 | Phated | mjk64: AFAIK, x.org's supposed to have it, but I've not been keeping up. |
| 05:19.37 | helix | BA appear to be desperate |
| 05:19.39 | akusarujin | bob2: ? |
| 05:19.39 | mjk64 | Phated: ah, ok |
| 05:19.43 | Phated | helix: A striptease and a crossdress, no ndoubt. |
| 05:19.43 | mhall | agustin: i'd suggest t-mobile because it's 50% cheaper than other firms only offering slightly better service |
| 05:19.45 | akusarujin | "transset"? |
| 05:19.58 | helix | crossdressing wouldn't be problematic |
| 05:19.59 | mhall | agustin: plus with the quad band GSM phone you are going to have the best crack at a good signal |
| 05:20.00 | peterS | Phated: just the striptease and that's just for airport security |
| 05:20.03 | Phated | Heh. |
| 05:20.10 | agustin | i'll take your sugestion |
| 05:20.14 | peterS | Phated: the way to get a free ticket home is not to have a valid passport |
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| 05:20.23 | Phated | Oooh, good idea! :P |
| 05:20.23 | peterS | ...but somehow manage to get *out* of the country in the first place |
| 05:20.28 | peterS | then they ship you home for free |
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| 05:20.34 | agustin | allright :) |
| 05:20.36 | peterS | not that they give you a lot of choice of how long you can stay in london |
| 05:20.39 | Phated | A passport tht expires in six months, and a seven-month holiday. |
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| 05:20.50 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: Oh no. They just don't charge you till later. But they *do* charge you. |
| 05:21.04 | helix | Phated: USians are only allowed in the UK for three months sans visa, unfortunately |
| 05:21.05 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: charge you with what? |
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| 05:21.21 | wireddd | the plane ticket |
| 05:21.22 | bob2 | our enlightened .au government charges people costs for imprisoning them here |
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| 05:21.30 | helix | haha |
| 05:21.32 | mhall | agustin: another thing to consider |
| 05:21.35 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: What do you mean "with what"? |
| 05:21.38 | Phated | helix: You're already considering a striptease for a free plane ticket, I don't think you'd be overly worried about visa validity. |
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| 05:21.46 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: like with assault and battery, or aggravated burglary, or... |
| 05:21.49 | bob2 | staying in one of our quality desert internment camps costs about as much as staying in a 5-star hotel in sydney |
| 05:21.50 | helix | wait, what? I was only considering crossdressing |
| 05:21.50 | agustin | yes |
| 05:21.58 | ggl6 | hello, how do you set up Xwindows? i get the mgs when i run 'startx'... line 2: exec: /usr/bin/X11/X cannot execute: no such file or directory |
| 05:22.01 | Phated | helix: A crossdressing striptease, I think it was. |
| 05:22.05 | helix | no no |
| 05:22.07 | peterS | helix: you're so in the mood to fuel asuffield's imagination, aren't you? |
| 05:22.08 | asuffield | helix: does that mean you'd wear a skirt? |
| 05:22.08 | mhall | agustin: most cell companies have a trial period |
| 05:22.10 | helix | I thought they were separate things |
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| 05:22.15 | Phated | Well, you're going to have to pay, then. |
| 05:22.15 | helix | peterS: he likes boys? |
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| 05:22.17 | peterS | ha, did I call it? I called it. |
| 05:22.17 | mhall | agustin: so figure out how long the t-mobile trial is |
| 05:22.23 | agustin | well this is my first cell phone for that reason I have no Idea wich phone is good.. |
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| 05:22.31 | mhall | agustin: then try the phone everywhere you'd usually go and make sure that it works right |
| 05:22.33 | helix | I did wear a skirt recently |
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| 05:22.36 | helix | it was horrible |
| 05:22.41 | Phated | Shock, gasp. |
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| 05:22.42 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: For the ticket. You would end up paying for it. But I'm ruining the joke. |
| 05:22.45 | mhall | agustin: if it does not work well and you return it within the trial, then you are OK |
| 05:22.52 | mhall | helix: what was so horrible about it? |
| 05:22.56 | Phated | I haven't worn a skirt for almost ten months now. |
| 05:23.04 | asuffield | yes, helix in a dress looks like a sack of potatoes |
| 05:23.04 | akusarujin | bob2: can you suggest any with 'real' transparency? |
| 05:23.04 | helix | you have to worry about how you sit and stuff |
| 05:23.05 | agustin | ok |
| 05:23.06 | helix | + wind |
| 05:23.08 | peterS | maybe it's less horrible if you think of it as a kilt rather than a skirt |
| 05:23.09 | snd | is there a startup script to start iptables? |
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| 05:23.14 | bob2 | akusarujin: no, none of them do |
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| 05:23.24 | bob2 | akusarujin: transset lets you make arbitrary X windows transparent, tho |
| 05:23.26 | ggl6 | how do I install the X binary into /usr/bin/X11? i get the mgs when i run 'startx'... line 2: exec: /usr/bin/X11/X cannot execute: no such file or directory |
| 05:23.39 | akusarujin | bob2: i've never heard of transset.. |
| 05:23.48 | Phated | Well, now you have. |
| 05:23.55 | helix | it's how you get free plane tickets |
| 05:23.56 | bob2 | ggl6: install x-window-system |
| 05:24.05 | cafebaby | ggl6, link |
| 05:24.21 | peterS | I thought free plane tickets was mostly a matter of social engineering |
| 05:24.24 | Phated | Kilts can get you free plane tickets? |
| 05:24.31 | peterS | or, put another way, being social to engineers |
| 05:24.32 | Phated | I'm getting one. |
| 05:24.38 | jm_ | snd: /usr/share/dpc/iptables will enlighten you |
| 05:24.50 | mhall | peterS: engineer socialing, perhaps? |
| 05:25.06 | peterS | yes |
| 05:25.08 | ggl6 | ok thanks, got it |
| 05:25.10 | mhall | or engineer social engineering |
| 05:25.14 | asuffield | Phated: miniskirts can get you free plane tickets |
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| 05:25.21 | Phated | Not with my legs. |
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| 05:25.39 | peterS | oh stop trying to ruin asuffield's fantasy |
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| 05:25.49 | agustin | mhall I have to leave, thank you for the information... |
| 05:26.00 | mhall | in principle it'd be possible to find somebody willing to go for your legs |
| 05:26.04 | Phated | peterS: But it's so much fun. |
| 05:26.14 | Phated | mhall: Infinite universe theory, yeh. |
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| 05:26.18 | helix | like a german shepherd |
| 05:26.24 | Phated | Oh, those. |
| 05:26.30 | asuffield | eh, she's asian, they all look like little girls anyway |
| 05:26.32 | mhall | men are scientifically proven to be less picky than women think they are |
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| 05:26.48 | mhall | their standards are not really what they seem |
| 05:26.53 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 05:27.25 | peterS | nah I think a really hot thing is someone who can switch between Ph and Pf effortlessly |
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| 05:27.31 | peterS | that's what's really important |
| 05:27.39 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 05:27.44 | ggl6 | wierd, i thought if I install the kde, Xwindows would install automatically, since kde would depend on it |
| 05:27.59 | Phated | If you like, I can exhibit traces of MPD right away. |
| 05:28.00 | peterS | ggl6: not quite. also install x-window-system-core |
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| 05:28.04 | jm_ | KDE doesn't need X server to run |
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| 05:28.12 | jm_ | well at least not local one |
| 05:28.44 | peterS | ggl6: in a case like a terminal server, the server might not have the X window system installed, but clients (who do) can still run KDE off the server |
| 05:28.49 | peterS | ggl6: that's why it isn't a hard dependency |
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| 05:29.05 | litage_ | on tinydns, i've configured box1.domain.com -> box2.domain.com, and box2.domain.com -> 1.2.3.4. however, pinging box1.domain.com fails to resolve it to box2 or 1.2.3.4. how can i fix this? |
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| 05:29.15 | mhall | i'm having trouble understanding the line between funny and sexist |
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| 05:29.32 | mhall | i've made comments on boths sides of the line that seem to be logically equivalent in nature |
| 05:29.34 | peterS | mhall: reputation, which guides interpretation of intention, counts a great deal |
| 05:29.46 | mhall | perhaps i just use a bad vocabulary |
| 05:29.51 | peterS | litage_: use 'dig' from dnsutils to debug it |
| 05:29.53 | bob2 | litage_: does "host box1.domain.com ip.of.your.nameserver" resolve it as expected? |
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| 05:30.37 | ggl6 | whoa, slow down, i'm still grasping the concept of a client-server model of a desktop environment... i'll probablty get used to it soon enough.. thanks guys for all the pointers. |
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| 05:31.54 | zarkoth | 'lo there |
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| 05:32.35 | mr_kreg | can i build a new public key using my exsisting private key? |
| 05:32.45 | bob2 | no |
| 05:32.54 | bob2 | you can add subkeys, tho |
| 05:33.13 | zarkoth | hmm....Gnome or KDE? |
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| 05:33.28 | bob2 | whichever you prefer |
| 05:33.35 | zarkoth | Well yeah, but I'm asking for you opinion |
| 05:33.38 | zarkoth | your* |
| 05:33.44 | mhall | KDE |
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| 05:33.57 | zarkoth | any particular reasons or do you just like it better? |
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| 05:33.59 | wireddd | I prefer kde |
| 05:34.04 | wireddd | as well |
| 05:34.09 | litage_ | bob2: `host box1.domain.com DNS_IP` says box1 doesn't exist. i think tinydns doesn't like the box1 -> box2 combination |
| 05:34.13 | mhall | seems to have fewer bugs and runs quicker for me |
| 05:34.28 | bob2 | litage_: you made box1 a CNAME for box2? |
| 05:34.31 | mhall | also, it seems to have more integrated applications available |
| 05:34.39 | bob2 | also, using tinydns is a bit of an odd choice |
| 05:34.42 | quad3d | anyone here w/ smp? if yes, when you do top does top show any special field stating what process is running on what cpu? |
| 05:34.43 | zarkoth | ah, i'm running Ubuntu, so i decided to ask around 'fore embarking on a quest for KDE |
| 05:35.05 | wireddd | ubuntu isn't debian.... |
| 05:35.12 | mhall | quad3d: yeah; i got a cpu field on the solaris boxen, using the same top source code as what debian uses |
| 05:35.12 | zarkoth | It's based off of it though |
| 05:35.16 | ke6isf | !debian based |
| 05:35.16 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 05:35.17 | mhall | quad3d: had to compile it myself |
| 05:35.32 | zarkoth | and for some very odd reason I am not allowed in the ubuntu server, I can't imagine why |
| 05:35.33 | ke6isf | zarkoth: what dpkg said. |
| 05:35.42 | bob2 | perhaps you were banned |
| 05:35.47 | ke6isf | zarkoth: /join #ubuntu? |
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| 05:35.51 | zarkoth | I was, but I don't know why |
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| 05:36.17 | quad3d | alright, thx. |
| 05:36.18 | wireddd | well I think you should just dump ubuntu and use debian |
| 05:36.32 | zarkoth | lol, naw, I'm good |
| 05:36.36 | xKintaro | I second that |
| 05:36.40 | xKintaro | Ubuntu fucking sucks. |
| 05:36.44 | zarkoth | does it now |
| 05:36.46 | xKintaro | Worst distro ive ever used. |
| 05:36.49 | ke6isf | I third that. |
| 05:36.55 | mypapit | xKintaro, wtf about ubuntu? |
| 05:37.00 | dondelelcaro | who cares, it's OT here. |
| 05:37.01 | zarkoth | Well it's the first distro I've ever used...and it works great for me |
| 05:37.03 | xKintaro | simple, it sucks |
| 05:37.04 | ke6isf | Why get debian *based* when you can just install Debian? |
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| 05:37.14 | ke6isf | zarkoth: Then you'll be absolutely bamboozled by Debian. |
| 05:37.21 | xKintaro | sure, it works great if you don't mind running anique version of gaim that crash all the time |
| 05:37.22 | mwilson | xKintaro: If it's so simple, it should be easy for you to describe why. |
| 05:37.26 | xKintaro | and theres more |
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| 05:37.31 | zarkoth | Um...gaim's running just fine |
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| 05:37.37 | zarkoth | right now.... |
| 05:37.38 | bob2 | zarkoth: anyway, you can now |
| 05:37.38 | Jerub | ubuntu is like debian after a month of tweaking. |
| 05:37.44 | bob2 | someone was rather overzealous |
| 05:38.17 | xKintaro | Ubuntu is like my Debian after some fucker decided to tweak it for two months exactly how I don't want it. |
| 05:38.22 | mypapit | Jerub, i guess ubuntu *is* debian after tweaking |
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| 05:38.38 | bob2 | I think people exagerate the differences |
| 05:38.40 | zarkoth | Well I like it how it is.... |
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| 05:38.50 | dondelelcaro | mypapit, xKintaro, zarkoth, Jerub: take the ubuntu discussion elsewhere, please. |
| 05:38.56 | litage_ | bob2: why is using tinydns an odd choice? |
| 05:39.08 | zarkoth | I'll try to go back to the ubuntu channel real quick... |
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| 05:39.14 | jm_ | because it's non-free as far as Debian is concerned |
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| 05:39.38 | zarkoth | well then, I'm in ubuntu now...so I spose I'll go, wouldn't want to anger anyone |
| 05:39.38 | foo | I run "who" in debian and it doesn't show me the remote address of someone connected ... why ? |
| 05:39.52 | Jerub | foo: try 'w' |
| 05:39.53 | jm_ | I really disliked the special init stuff DJB software uses, that's why I stopped using qmail and tinydns |
| 05:39.54 | quad3d | regardless... if the kernel is compiled w/ smp it should show up in dmesg about cpu0 and cpu1 right? |
| 05:39.55 | zarkoth | anyway, see ya, I may very well check out KDE, later |
| 05:39.58 | bob2 | litage_: it's not in Debian, it's far less popular than bind, and a consequence, much harder to find support for |
| 05:40.01 | zarkoth | later as in see you guys later, btw |
| 05:40.02 | zarkoth | hehe |
| 05:40.06 | foo | Jerub: nope |
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| 05:40.15 | xKintaro | quad3d: try a |
| 05:40.21 | xKintaro | 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 05:40.31 | dondelelcaro | foo: uh, it generally does in the last field |
| 05:40.49 | foo | Jerub / dondelelcaro: who -w ? |
| 05:40.58 | Phated | No, just w. |
| 05:41.18 | foo | notix + pts/18 Sep 20 17:29 (:0.0) |
| 05:41.18 | foo | notix@debian:~$ w |
| 05:41.18 | foo | 46 column window is too narrow |
| 05:41.29 | quad3d | xKintaro: it just shows cpu0's info. so i assume that this server dont have smp enabled? |
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| 05:41.30 | jm_ | we really care |
| 05:41.32 | dondelelcaro | foo: COLUMNS=200 w; |
| 05:41.56 | dondelelcaro | foo: or resize your terminal so it can actually display the output (or pipe it to less) |
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| 05:41.59 | foo | dondelelcaro: Ah, I see it .. thanks |
| 05:42.29 | foo | dondelelcaro: Actually, no don't .. someone is connected via ssh and I don't see it |
| 05:42.39 | ke6isf | Got an issue with xmms in sarge. When attempting to save an m3u, it tells me that it can't save the file because the name must either end in .m3u or .pls - though it already does. Explicitely telling it that it is an m3u and saving as such will get the error 'error writing playlist "": no such file or directory'. What's wrong here? |
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| 05:43.08 | Phated | foo: It's fairly obviously in the column FROM. |
| 05:43.23 | foo | pts/14 :0:S.0 22:12 0.00s 3.44s 3.43s vim |
| 05:43.29 | foo | Phated: :0:S.0 is all I see ... |
| 05:43.38 | foo | We are both in vim in a screen .. but it doesn't show his ip/hostname |
| 05:43.40 | Phated | foo: X forwarding? |
| 05:43.55 | foo | Phated: No |
| 05:43.58 | Phated | Hang on. |
| 05:44.00 | foo | k |
| 05:44.06 | Phated | dwu pts/1 192.168.16.1:S.1 13:42 0.00s 0.00s 0.00s w |
| 05:44.11 | Phated | That's my w output. |
| 05:44.11 | wireddd | someone should make an opensource gta clone |
| 05:44.18 | Gnea | foo: then you need to tell him to set the terminal size equal to yours |
| 05:44.31 | Gnea | wireddd: i hope not, that's such a dumb game |
| 05:44.31 | Eclipser | wireddd, oh god no |
| 05:44.39 | ke6isf | wireddd: Get to work. |
| 05:44.48 | wireddd | lol |
| 05:44.50 | mjk64 | :-) |
| 05:44.52 | Phated | foo: And from outside screen, dwu pts/2 192.168.16.1 11:44 0.00s 0.00s 0.00s w |
| 05:45.10 | Gnea | A hand punches through the ground and pulls some entrails back into the depths. |
| 05:45.12 | foo | hmm |
| 05:45.17 | Gnea | now this is a real game. |
| 05:45.29 | foo | Gnea: Wha? How does that relate? The fact that he is connected via ssh should be enough, eh? |
| 05:45.41 | mjk64 | Someone should make an open-source StarCraft, damnit! |
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| 05:46.09 | Gnea | foo: no - the terminal settings on his end are different than yours, and screen is interpretting both, but it's only one vim process, so it takes on the form of the smaller |
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| 05:46.32 | Gnea | mjk64: cedega. |
| 05:47.17 | mjk64 | Gnea: That's some form of Wine, right? It works, but 1) the mouse movement is very laggy, and 2) it's not a native Linux-StarCraft, and 3) it's not open-source. |
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| 05:47.57 | By-Tor | Okay, solved my problem |
| 05:48.02 | WiFiTux | anyone has an idea on how to install a theme for firefox? |
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| 05:48.11 | mjk64 | By-Tor: Which one? Joining #debian? ;-) |
| 05:48.15 | Gnea | mjk64: yeah, it's wineX actually, but 1) the mouse movement is only laggy if not in fullscreen, 2) there will never be a native linux-starcraft and 3) of course it's not open source, but at $5/month, the price ain't bad |
| 05:48.22 | By-Tor | Switched from 2.6.12, back to 2.6.6, which was the last "kernel" that burned a good CD. |
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| 05:48.46 | By-Tor | mjk64: No, for the last two weeks every cd burned looked like it burned properly, but in fact was a coaster. |
| 05:48.52 | Daveman | :\ |
| 05:48.54 | Gnea | By-Tor: ide cdrom? |
| 05:49.00 | By-Tor | Gnea: yes |
| 05:49.15 | Gnea | By-Tor: you know that it's not scsi anymore, right? |
| 05:49.50 | mhall | Gnea: the way i figure, you're working in a marketplace |
| 05:50.22 | mhall | Gnea: and you have the choices of 1) paying ms, 2) paying cedega, 3) forgoing game, 4) coding new game (if possible), etc. |
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| 05:50.34 | mjk64 | Gnea: Oh, /Cedega/ is not open-source - I meant StarCraft ... ok, $5/month is okay, but I love open-source and so would prefer an OS-StarCraft. And most importantly: Never say never. For example, there is OpenTTD (openttd.org), a (better than) perfect open-source clone of Transport Tycoon Deluxe. The same is possible for StarCraft. |
| 05:51.03 | mhall | Gnea: and probably (2) is better than (1), but then there is (3), and (4) would cost more of your time than (2) would of your money |
| 05:51.07 | Gnea | mhall: well i already paid transgaming :) |
| 05:51.19 | Jerub | there's uqm, the open source revision of star control II |
| 05:51.44 | Gnea | mjk64: it's a coin-toss |
| 05:51.53 | jim | controlling stars?? hmm, that's what directors and agents do... |
| 05:52.05 | mhall | Gnea: right i was just breaking down your choice in detail |
| 05:52.12 | mjk64 | Gean: What's a "coin-toss"? |
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| 05:52.26 | mhall | Gnea: i'm a pragmatic open-sourcer so i'd probably do much what you did |
| 05:52.35 | jim | a random 50/50 percent chance? |
| 05:52.35 | xKintaro | mjk64: its when you toss off for money |
| 05:52.36 | peterS | mjk64: throwing a coin and guessing which side it will land on. a way of making arbitrary decisions |
| 05:52.45 | mhall | Gnea: i don't see anything obviously wrong with a capitalistic market place |
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| 05:52.58 | htedrom | hey all i'm trying to set up the extra keys on my logitech lx700 but setkeycodes is giving me this: |
| 05:53.16 | htedrom | KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument |
| 05:53.16 | htedrom | failed to set scancode 91 to keycode 216 |
| 05:53.30 | htedrom | any ideas? |
| 05:53.44 | jm_ | read 2.6 input FAQ |
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| 05:53.56 | mjk64 | jim/peterS/xKintaro: two ppl having three explanations, damn ... I guess I need to wait for Gnea's answer .. |
| 05:54.03 | htedrom | i'm on 2.4 |
| 05:54.22 | mhall | htedrom: i'd have to theorize it was unhappy with the scancode, the keycode, or the combo of the two |
| 05:54.22 | htedrom | i'm following a tutorial: http://linux.seindal.dk/item65.html |
| 05:54.33 | htedrom | hah yea...but i'm just cutting and pasting |
| 05:54.49 | mhall | htedrom: invalid argument means that the system function responsible for making the setting did not think your inputs were acceptable |
| 05:54.49 | htedrom | and there are debian-specific instructions on there |
| 05:54.49 | jim | but don't fool yourself into thinking you're a capitalist for that opinion... capitalists are very high-level investors, called "accredited investors" |
| 05:54.50 | peterS | mjk64: my answer and jim's answer are the same. when you guess which side a coin will land on you have a 50% chance of being right. so the expression here means that you just have to guess and there's no way to know which will be the right choice, without trying them |
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| 05:55.11 | Gnea | mjk64: uhm, what? |
| 05:55.42 | mjk64 | Gnea: What did you mean by "coin-toss" exactly? |
| 05:55.44 | htedrom | mhall: yea, but i'm just copying it right from a howto, which is for my exact keyboard, and it's supposed to work w/ debian |
| 05:55.47 | mhall | htedrom: usually i'd say go to regular console, push the mystery keys, and see if atkbd.c prints an error message to the console |
| 05:55.54 | wireddd | unless its a quarter in which case there is a higher probability that it will land heads down |
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| 05:56.11 | peterS | wireddd: no kidding? weighting? |
| 05:56.16 | wireddd | yup |
| 05:56.20 | mhall | htedrom: on my laptop the funny keys print errors saying what setkeycodes command i need to hook them up |
| 05:56.21 | jim | mjk64: consider the following choice... "will I run debian or redhat? let's see, I'll throw this coin up, and let it land on the ground... if head shows on the top (visible) side, I'll run redhat" |
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| 05:56.33 | peterS | wireddd: I said 50 percent. that's one significant figure. (: |
| 05:56.50 | wireddd | its 40/60 |
| 05:57.17 | htedrom | mhall: yea, i get the codes... |
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| 05:57.41 | htedrom | mhall: so these are the keyboard codes, and i have to hook them up with...what? |
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| 05:57.48 | mjk64 | jim: I hope head never shows on top :-) |
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| 05:58.15 | Phated | mjk64: The figurative meaning is to make a random decision. |
| 05:58.20 | mhall | Gnea: what were you saying was a coin toss |
| 05:58.29 | mhall | Gnea: i know german so i can probably explain this |
| 05:58.39 | Gnea | oh |
| 05:58.41 | mhall | Gnea: i scrolled up but no luck |
| 05:58.54 | mhall | Gnea: i never saw exactly what you said was a coin toss |
| 05:59.05 | mhall | htedrom: the setkeycodes command |
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| 05:59.19 | mhall | htedrom: also you can use showkeys -s to see what the keys emit |
| 05:59.30 | mjk64 | Pathed: But xKintaro said "if you "toss off for money", I don't know if Gnea was referring to simply a random decision or referring on the "for money" thing. |
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| 05:59.37 | htedrom | mhall: ok, i'll read some man pages and take a crack at it |
| 05:59.40 | htedrom | mhall: thanks |
| 05:59.44 | mhall | htedrom: good luck, ok |
| 05:59.53 | mhall | htedrom: i'm sorry for the confusion |
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| 05:59.54 | jim | well you could have gone the other way too... or, howbout this: "I'm wondering whether I should buy the blue case/pwr supply combo... or the green one... they both look good... the power supplies are identical... I think I'll let a coin toss make my decision for me" |
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| 06:00.08 | Phated | mjk64: Wasn't paying attention. Sorry. :) |
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| 06:00.15 | wireddd | mjk64, he ment that the outcome is uncertain |
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| 06:00.19 | mjk64 | mhall: I said to Gnea: "Oh, /Cedega/ is not open-source - I meant StarCraft ... ok, $5/month is okay, but I love open-source and so would prefer an OS-StarCraft. And most importantly: Never say never. For example, there is OpenTTD (openttd.org), a (better than) perfect open-source clone of Transport Tycoon Deluxe. The same is possible for StarCraft." - and he answered "it's a coin-toss". |
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| 06:00.37 | mhall | mjk64: alright |
| 06:00.58 | jim | Phated: stop not failing to not pay attention!!ii |
| 06:00.58 | krassy1809 | How i can install alredy compiled custom kernel ? |
| 06:01.04 | Coke | mjk64: the problem is not that it's impossible to port StarCraft, the problem is that Blizzard does not want their games run on GNU/Linux |
| 06:01.05 | mjk64 | wiredd: That it's uncertain that open-source-cloning StarCraft is possible? |
| 06:01.12 | xuniluser | How do i mount a partition with "OnTrackDM6" partition id (according to fdisk)? |
| 06:01.35 | bob2 | xuniluser: dude |
| 06:01.50 | xuniluser | bob2: hi, hehehehhe |
| 06:01.52 | mjk64 | Coke: That's not the problem. As long as you disassemble/etc. the original StarCraft outside DCMA countries, this should be not a problem. |
| 06:02.00 | jm_ | ontrack? that's so 1990 |
| 06:02.01 | mhall | mjk64: Das ist nicht so eine Situation wobei man "it's a coin-toss" benutzen wuerde. Das heisst, man soll "it's a coin-toss" sagen, nur wenn es arbitraer ist, was geschehen wird. |
| 06:02.04 | Coke | mjk64: there is also "bos" and "craft", two engines very similar to StarCraft. |
| 06:02.13 | greyson | krassy1809: All the normal ways... unless you're asking what the debian way is. |
| 06:02.41 | Coke | mjk64: why would disassemble the game help? we already have BETTER engines (free, ofcourse) that should be able to run the StarCraft game. |
| 06:02.52 | peterS | so to get back on topic, who wants to guess what substances this guy (http://p12n.org/tmp/jeremiah_christina.jpg) might be on? (: |
| 06:02.52 | mjk64 | mhall: Weiß halt nur nicht, worauf genau er sich bezieht. Wäre schön, wenn Gnea auch einmal antworten würde. :-) |
| 06:02.52 | wireddd | does blizzard still make games? |
| 06:03.04 | xuniluser | jm_: yeah, do you know how? |
| 06:03.05 | krassy1809 | what is debian way ? |
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| 06:03.35 | mhall | mjk64: Gnea meint eigentlich, dass es nicht sicher ist, ob es eines Tages eine freie Version von Starcraft geben wird, und, dass er nicht darauf warten will. |
| 06:03.49 | mjk64 | peterS: That's easy: He's on Depressix, a melancholic distribution of Debian. |
| 06:03.57 | greyson | krassy1809: apt-get install kernel-package -- this gives you 'make-kpkg' which does all sorts of nice versioning and dependency control. |
| 06:03.57 | peterS | mjk64: ha |
| 06:03.59 | mhall | mjk64: Er meint, fuer ihn ist's besser, Geld zu bezahlen, sodass er nicht warten muss. |
| 06:04.03 | jm_ | xuniluser: read ide.txt |
| 06:04.04 | Eclipser | wireddd, ever heard of world of warcraft? the latest shit from blizzard which is ridden by a programmed plague :) |
| 06:04.04 | Coke | wireddd: yes they do. they aren't as good as they used to be, but they try to stay in the business. |
| 06:04.11 | liable | !tell krassy1809 about kp mantra |
| 06:04.15 | xuniluser | jm_: where? |
| 06:04.22 | mjk64 | mhall: Okay ... I trust your interpretation. :-) |
| 06:04.25 | jim | debian way is in Los Angeles, California... turn right at Thau Way, go down four blocks, pull into the gas station, go up to the attendant and say "Where the hell am I??!" |
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| 06:04.46 | wireddd | oh yeah wow, I knew I was forgetting something |
| 06:04.52 | jm_ | xuniluser: on your monitor? |
| 06:05.00 | Phated | jim: sorry, what? |
| 06:05.17 | Eclipser | it's kind of funny that WoW GMs can't get control of the plague |
| 06:05.17 | mhall | mjk64: Besonders weill er nicht sicher ist, dass es ebenso eine bessere Version geben wird, nachdem er schon lange gewartet haette. |
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| 06:05.35 | xuniluser | jm_: i mean where can i find ide.txt? |
| 06:05.42 | jm_ | xuniluser: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:05.58 | jim | Phated: don't not fail to not pay attention! |
| 06:05.59 | mjk64 | mhall: Er soll abwarten und Tee trinken. Notfalls portiere *ich* das! ;-) |
| 06:06.02 | greyson | mhall + mjk64: warum immer auf Deutsch? Vielicht existiert 'debian-de' oder so was? |
| 06:06.08 | htedrom | anyone know what 91 is in hex, offhand? |
| 06:06.18 | jm_ | man ascii |
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| 06:06.23 | peterS | greyson: there is a #debian.de but not, I believe, #debian-de |
| 06:06.26 | Coke | htedrom: apt-get install python; python -c "print hex(91)" |
| 06:06.27 | Phated | jim: Do fail to pay attention? |
| 06:06.28 | mjk64 | greyson: Sorry, only wrote two sentences in German, it's all mhall's fault! ;-) |
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| 06:06.33 | jm_ | and yes, there are many people that know it off top of their head |
| 06:06.46 | htedrom | hahah |
| 06:06.56 | htedrom | i actually just wanted to know who was cool in here |
| 06:07.01 | greyson | mjk64: Kein Problem, I don't mind, I'm just thinking of the others in the room ;) |
| 06:07.02 | peterS | so hmmm, jm_ and jim are both here. how confusing. |
| 06:07.10 | Coke | htedrom: well, you found it it wasn't you. |
| 06:07.11 | choi | where can i find the xfree86config file? |
| 06:07.24 | mjk64 | greyson: Altruism rulez! ;-) |
| 06:07.27 | htedrom | Coke: haha tell me about it |
| 06:07.37 | xuniluser | jm_: i did /msg dpkg search ide.txt and nothing happens |
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| 06:07.58 | jm_ | xuniluser: yes, I never said to do that -- "/msg dpkg search" |
| 06:08.04 | Coke | htedrom: our motto is a lot like the give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish. |
| 06:08.37 | peterS | Coke: around here we don't see people fishing so much as trolling, which is a form of fishing |
| 06:08.45 | jm_ | heh |
| 06:08.48 | Phated | Make a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, he'll be warm the rest of his (albeit short) life. |
| 06:09.15 | greyson | mjk64: Hehe, Well, it just seemed funny commentary... yeah, I forget the name of the package that spawned wineX, but I've heard that you *can* pay money and play various Blizzardy games in X. |
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| 06:09.38 | mgoose | hey all |
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| 06:09.51 | scarynetworkguy | And it provides entertainment for the rest of us. |
| 06:09.54 | mgoose | how do I make apt ignore dependency problems for a package |
| 06:10.03 | asuffield | I was always rather more fond of "Give a man a fish, and he'll be fed for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day" |
| 06:10.06 | greyson | Okay, I'm confused.... I'm used to make-kpkg giving me a nice .deb in the /usr/src directory... but I just did a build and can't find the damn thing anywhere. |
| 06:10.28 | bob2 | greyson: it puts it in ../ |
| 06:10.43 | liable | greyson: you did include the kernel_image bit? |
| 06:11.04 | mjk64 | !tell greyson -about room |
| 06:11.05 | mgoose | I wanted to install valknut, but it kept trying to remove all of kde to resolve a dependency, so I downloaded it manually and did dpkg --force-overwrite -i , now it keeps trying to remove valknut when I try to apt-get something |
| 06:11.14 | mjk64 | greyson: ;-) |
| 06:11.16 | mgoose | anybody know how to make apt ignore that? |
| 06:11.32 | xuniluser | jm_: then? |
| 06:11.36 | greyson | *slaps forehead* yes, I feel silly... liable... that was it. |
| 06:11.52 | jm_ | xuniluser: then it tells you how to find stuff and you use one of the options |
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| 06:12.02 | peterS | mgoose: not really, I believe. you can try to fix up dependencies by hand by building dummy packages with 'equivs', but that only works for some situations and isn't much fun anyway |
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| 06:12.12 | Coke | mgoose: are you running unstable? |
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| 06:12.21 | mgoose | Coke: yep |
| 06:12.33 | Erpo | How do I find out what configuration file my X server is currently using? |
| 06:12.34 | Coke | mgoose: then get used to fixing that problem a lot. |
| 06:12.38 | slake | I manually installed the Java SDK, and set up all the paths and everything, but now how do I tell debian that the j2sdk is installed? |
| 06:12.51 | peterS | Erpo: it'll be either /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf, most likely |
| 06:12.58 | mgoose | Coke: well I've been using unstable for a while, first time I've had this sort of scenario |
| 06:12.59 | mhall | greyson: yeah; my apologies there |
| 06:13.04 | mgoose | usually I've been able to fix it |
| 06:13.05 | slake | I can't install packages that depend on java even though I have Java installed |
| 06:13.07 | Coke | Erpo: you find out how X is started and whether or not it uses the default path for it or an explicit path. |
| 06:13.22 | Coke | mgoose: ok, but get used to it, it will happen alot. |
| 06:13.22 | mhall | greyson: i was trying to explain an idiom that occurred auf Englisch |
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| 06:14.07 | Erpo | peterS: Ah, thanks. I was searching for /etc/X11/Xorg.conf |
| 06:14.07 | mhall | asuffield: Fishing is like sex. When it's good, it's really good; and, when it's bad, it's still pretty good. |
| 06:14.07 | mgoose | for the time being, right? as I understand it, the Debian team is making big changes to the KDE packages in the repos? |
| 06:14.08 | greyson | mhall: Ah... I must have vt'd back over just in time to miss it. |
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| 06:14.12 | peterS | Erpo: aha! you can tell for sure by reading /var/log/Xorg.0.log or /var/log/XFree86.0.log, whichever is more recent |
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| 06:14.21 | asuffield | mhall: I think I'm gonna need a second opinion on that |
| 06:14.22 | peterS | Erpo: there will be a line about (==) Using config file: "..." |
| 06:14.24 | asuffield | Phated: you're it |
| 06:14.25 | mhall | greyson: Gnea said something unusual that exceeded mjk64 English idiomatic capacity. ;-) |
| 06:14.32 | Erpo | slake: apt-cache show java-package |
| 06:14.33 | mhall | asuffield: ? |
| 06:14.41 | Phated | asuffield: It? |
| 06:14.45 | Coke | Erpo: those are the _default_ paths, they're used unless you've used a custom X installation. |
| 06:14.49 | asuffield | you two are useless |
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| 06:15.08 | Phated | Look, I wasn't paying attention. You have to cue me for these things. |
| 06:15.16 | asuffield | what's the point in my constructing subtle lines like that if you aren't listening? geez :P |
| 06:15.24 | Erpo | Coke: Yeah, but I'm using the default debian X packages. I just couldn't find Xorg.conf because it's really called xorg.conf |
| 06:15.25 | peterS | yeah, that was really subtle |
| 06:15.27 | Phated | Oh, not my fault! You should ahve cued. |
| 06:15.29 | Coke | asuffield: indeed. I'll just sneak up on you from behind and WEDGIE!!! |
| 06:15.43 | peterS | Erpo: ahh |
| 06:15.51 | Coke | Erpo: then /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:15.55 | Phated | But yes, I concur. Fishing is like sex. |
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| 06:16.01 | mgoose | anyway Coke, thx for the help |
| 06:16.01 | peterS | Erpo: it *is* a bit confusing that xorg.conf has no capital letters but /var/log/Xorg.0.log does |
| 06:16.02 | Erpo | Coke: I'm using X.org |
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| 06:16.24 | Coke | Erpo: you said you're using the default Debian X packages. doesn't it default ti XFree86? |
| 06:16.36 | Erpo | peterS: I think it's a bit irritating that ext3 is case sensitive, actually. ;) |
| 06:16.38 | peterS | Phated: bah, I bet you've never even tried it. fishing that is. |
| 06:16.40 | mjk64 | mhall: *RÄUSPER* |
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| 06:16.51 | Erpo | Coke: Well, the default debian x.org packages. |
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| 06:16.57 | Coke | peterS: it's nonsense to use upper case letters for any file name, IMHO |
| 06:16.59 | peterS | Erpo: not just ext3, all of unix is. a thing to get used to. I like it, myself |
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| 06:17.23 | peterS | Coke: I disagree, it's great in source trees to separate out meta-files like Makefile and README at the top of your directory listing |
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| 06:17.34 | Gnea | mjk64: sorry, i was afk |
| 06:17.35 | Erpo | peterS: What's the utility of having two files named exactly the same thing except with different capitalization? |
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| 06:18.06 | peterS | Erpo: I've done it, I called a directory BUILD so it would not conflict with an existing directory 'build'. recently. that was perhaps a bit of an abuse |
| 06:18.08 | Coke | peterS: I agree on README and INSTALL, because they need to be highlighted somehow, but a makefile with commons would be just as good. |
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| 06:18.16 | mjk64 | Gnea: afk = away for ... for ... kreakfast? kooking? |
| 06:18.23 | peterS | mjk64: ...from keyboard |
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| 06:18.29 | mjk64 | peterS: doh! =) |
| 06:18.39 | Coke | peterS: and even if they weren't upper cased you'd still know that you're looking for readme.txt and install.txt, not very difficult to find. |
| 06:18.44 | peterS | mjk64: but apparently he carries his mouse with him |
| 06:18.51 | Eclipser | :p |
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| 06:18.52 | Daveman | ack |
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| 06:18.57 | mjk64 | peterS: how can you tell? |
| 06:19.03 | Erpo | peterS: Yeah, maybe a more descriptive name would be in order. Personally, I wouldn't be able to tell you what the difference between build and BUILD would be. |
| 06:19.05 | Gnea | mjk64: what i meant, was that you can either pay a few bucks now for cedega and have it up and running just fine, or you can wait for the game to become open source, which may be never |
| 06:19.08 | peterS | mjk64: otherwise he would be afm too |
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| 06:19.24 | mjk64 | peterS: err ... of course =) |
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| 06:19.26 | Daveman | peterS, still going at it here? :) |
| 06:19.29 | Coke | peterS: he, actualy, we just disagree on this point. |
| 06:19.33 | peterS | Erpo: it was out of annoyance, actually, when I discovered that I couldn't use 'build' because it already existed for another purpose |
| 06:19.36 | Gnea | mjk64: heh, for beer |
| 06:19.44 | peterS | Daveman: yes |
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| 06:20.03 | mjk64 | Gnea: ah, okay ... hmm ... is "it's a coin-toss" really a suitable expression for that? *thinking* |
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| 06:20.31 | Gnea | mjk64: it's a figure of speech really, nothing literal to it, considering payment is made virtually :) |
| 06:20.46 | mjk64 | Gnea: Okay =) |
| 06:20.46 | llama32 | where can i find apt repository urls? |
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| 06:20.56 | Coke | llama32: apt-setup has some |
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| 06:21.08 | Gnea | !mirror |
| 06:21.08 | dpkg | from memory, mirror is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list | <reply> see mirrors |
| 06:21.12 | htedrom | ok guys, i think my setkeycodes is broken |
| 06:21.15 | Gnea | !mirrors |
| 06:21.15 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
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| 06:21.49 | peterS | Daveman: btw, what I do for fun, for 3 hours at a time: http://p12n.org/tmp/peter_maryjo.jpg |
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| 06:22.45 | Daveman | :o |
| 06:22.47 | Coke | peterS: oh, you have pretty shoes! |
| 06:22.50 | peterS | heh |
| 06:22.54 | llama32 | Coke: mine doesnt, looks like it's crippled (Ubuntu) |
| 06:22.58 | peterS | I hope you can tell which person is which, by the names |
| 06:23.02 | drac | is that a skirt ? |
| 06:23.07 | Coke | llama32: ok, this is #debian |
| 06:23.18 | Kevadu | Hey, I have a strange problem with my system clock. I was experiencing some pretty severe drift so I set up a cronjob to do ntpdate every hour, and it drifts by about 5 minutes an hour! |
| 06:23.19 | peterS | drac: me? I'm wearing shorts as I always do |
| 06:23.22 | llama32 | can someone just give me the line for a debian unstable repos.? |
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| 06:23.33 | mjk64 | peterS: Where exactly are you looking at on that picture? 8-) |
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| 06:23.42 | Daveman | peterS, you truely are, the lord of the dance? ;p |
| 06:23.42 | drac | peterS: heh 8) |
| 06:23.43 | LinuxNIT-laptop | hey guys on my deb laptop i gnome i accedentally assigned the letter "n" as a shortcut and then i cleared that assignmet but now i cant type the letter "n" while using gnomea anyone know how to fix this? |
| 06:23.49 | Daveman | haha |
| 06:23.53 | peterS | Daveman: wouldn't say that exactly, but ok |
| 06:24.06 | Coke | llama32: well, you do have a browser? you got the mirror URLs from dpkg a minute ago, use them. |
| 06:24.08 | peterS | mjk64: it's impossible to say, because of the camera flash red-eye effect |
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| 06:24.22 | Kevadu | But more than that, applications which use the clock behave somewhat erratically. Like if I watch the 'time elapsed' in bittorrent it will increase by a second per second most of the time, and then suddenly jump 3 or 4 seconds at a time |
| 06:24.26 | mjk64 | peterS: lame excuse ;-) |
| 06:24.30 | mud | where do i put script to load usb driver after laptop goes into sleep mode?i have to reload usb module manually every time |
| 06:24.34 | Daveman | LinuxNIT-laptop, just my guess, but disable the accelerator you set? :p |
| 06:24.39 | Daveman | since I think that's what you mean |
| 06:24.40 | Kevadu | This is on a stock Debian testing kernel |
| 06:24.41 | LinuxNIT-laptop | i tried |
| 06:24.49 | Daveman | also, peterS fix this kernel? |
| 06:24.49 | Gnea | LinuxNIT-laptop: have you tried the recycle bin? |
| 06:24.55 | Daveman | :P |
| 06:24.59 | mjk64 | peterS: your eyes are red from staring on the girl's <beeeep> for too long |
| 06:25.01 | Daveman | you dance master ;) |
| 06:25.04 | htedrom | hey guys...what gives. no matter what input i give to setkeycodes it tells me it's invalid |
| 06:25.11 | peterS | mjk64: it's not the *eyes* that turn red at that point |
| 06:25.17 | LinuxNIT-laptop | the accelorator is gone but i cant type n's |
| 06:25.25 | nimak | that really sucks |
| 06:25.31 | Gnea | LinuxNIT-laptop: only in gnome? |
| 06:25.35 | LinuxNIT-laptop | yeah |
| 06:25.37 | mjk64 | peterS: Oh, I forgot ... it's the shin, of course ;-) |
| 06:25.39 | Coke | Kevadu: might be a malfunction with your clock. |
| 06:25.39 | rss | LinuxNIT-laptop: Go to Applications>Desktop Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts and disable it |
| 06:25.45 | LinuxNIT-laptop | i did |
| 06:25.54 | Daveman | restart gnome? |
| 06:25.58 | Daveman | haha |
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| 06:25.59 | mhall | mjk64: what's that sound effect mean |
| 06:25.59 | rss | no |
| 06:25.59 | LinuxNIT-laptop | did that to |
| 06:26.01 | Gnea | LinuxNIT-laptop: even in a terminal, the n key doesn't work anymore? |
| 06:26.07 | rss | LinuxNIT-laptop: check again |
| 06:26.11 | mhall | mjk64: my unicode mode is not set right so i missed your umlauts |
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| 06:26.14 | LinuxNIT-laptop | right |
| 06:26.18 | nimak | Gnea: only gnome |
| 06:26.25 | mhall | mjk64: i got R?SPER |
| 06:26.26 | Gnea | nimak: yeah |
| 06:26.31 | LinuxNIT-laptop | yes cause i can still login |
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| 06:26.39 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thought gdm |
| 06:26.47 | LinuxNIT-laptop | *though gdm |
| 06:26.55 | Coke | through? |
| 06:26.58 | Gnea | LinuxNIT-laptop: have you considered a different environment, such as KDE or even something not as memory-intensive, such as fluxbox? |
| 06:27.16 | nimak | gnome is cool |
| 06:27.19 | cougar` | How do you go about contactin' an IRC OP on freenode? |
| 06:27.26 | mjk64 | mhall: it's *raeusper* and it means *clearingmythroat* |
| 06:27.30 | LinuxNIT-laptop | didt really like the othres |
| 06:27.38 | Gnea | only if you enjoy beating yourself with a redhot skillet |
| 06:27.44 | mjk64 | mhall: I would *love* to find a shorter word for that action in English! |
| 06:27.52 | Phated | "ahem"? |
| 06:27.54 | Coke | yeah, gnome is cool. All software on the verge of collapsing into a black hole are cool. |
| 06:27.58 | LinuxNIT-laptop | this is the only probelem iv had withit |
| 06:28.10 | nimak | anywho |
| 06:28.13 | nimak | reisntall? |
| 06:28.21 | LinuxNIT-laptop | gnome? |
| 06:28.21 | Gnea | LinuxNIT-laptop: you might wanna check out #gnome, they might know better than we do |
| 06:28.30 | mhall | mjk64: ahem or cough |
| 06:28.30 | LinuxNIT-laptop | tried that already |
| 06:28.38 | Gnea | and they didn't know?1 |
| 06:28.45 | LinuxNIT-laptop | they were assholes who didnt know |
| 06:28.54 | nimak | bugreport it |
| 06:28.55 | Coke | LinuxNIT-laptop: irc.gimp.org has gnome channels for users, they will know there. |
| 06:28.55 | LinuxNIT-laptop | :) |
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| 06:29.01 | Gnea | bugreport them |
| 06:29.09 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ok thaks |
| 06:29.09 | peterS | cougar`: /stats p |
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| 06:29.11 | Gnea | "gnome developers are assholes." |
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| 06:29.12 | mhall | mjk64: a classic joke is, when talking of warez in English, to say it as *co*warez*ugh* |
| 06:29.14 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ok thanks |
| 06:29.15 | Gnea | "kthx" |
| 06:29.22 | Daveman | heh |
| 06:29.23 | peterS | cougar`: unfortunately it seems not to work too well |
| 06:29.26 | mjk64 | mhall: Hmm... okay ... although coughing is not really the same, coughing comes more (or solely) from the lungs, while "raeuspering" is clearing your throat |
| 06:29.33 | LinuxNIT-laptop | i have to copy paste my n's |
| 06:29.38 | mhall | mjk64: and as far as clearing your throat to get attention or object |
| 06:29.42 | LinuxNIT-laptop | PITA |
| 06:29.44 | mhall | mjk64: that would be ahem |
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| 06:29.48 | Gnea | LinuxNIT-laptop: seriuosly, if i were you, logout of X, ctrl-alt-f1, rm -rf ~/.gnome2/ then login again |
| 06:30.03 | Gnea | LinuxNIT-laptop: make that ~/.gnome2* you'll have to recreate everything |
| 06:30.06 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ok |
| 06:30.09 | mhall | mjk64: ;-) |
| 06:30.11 | LinuxNIT-laptop | yeah i figured |
| 06:30.13 | LinuxNIT-laptop | :) |
| 06:30.13 | Gnea | but that should get the n key to work again |
| 06:30.15 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:30.25 | Daveman | mjk64, I swear it's simply an anagram for "rapeuser"ing? :P |
| 06:30.27 | LinuxNIT-laptop | ill try that if they dot kow |
| 06:30.29 | Daveman | hahha anyway |
| 06:30.30 | LinuxNIT-laptop | lol |
| 06:30.32 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 06:30.38 | LinuxNIT-laptop | *ill try that if they dont know |
| 06:30.45 | mjk64 | mhall: that's what I meant! But ... "ahem" is not really a /verb/ that you can use in *<someverb>* |
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| 06:30.55 | mjk64 | Daveman: :-) |
| 06:31.04 | Daveman | :p |
| 06:31.07 | LinuxNIT-laptop | thanks guys i appreciate the help |
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| 06:31.24 | Gnea | np |
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| 06:32.28 | htedrom | yea ok |
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| 06:32.31 | htedrom | i need some help |
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| 06:32.40 | mhall | mhall: actually; it is |
| 06:32.42 | htedrom | i'm trying to get setkeycodes to accept some keys |
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| 06:32.46 | mhall | mjk64: actually, it is |
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| 06:32.59 | htedrom | but it tells me my input is invalid |
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| 06:33.17 | htedrom | even though i'm taking the inputs either straight from the console, when i hit an unmapped button |
| 06:33.18 | htedrom | or |
| 06:33.23 | htedrom | from showkeys -s |
| 06:33.24 | mhall | mjk64: it's considered a sound effect meaning something along the lines of EXCUSE ME! |
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| 06:33.36 | htedrom | showkey -s |
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| 06:34.21 | mjk64 | mhall: Yes, it's a sound effect, but no verb, isn't it? Or can you say: "Peter, I just ahemed to tell you to go."? |
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| 06:34.32 | peterS | correct, it's not a verb |
| 06:34.42 | htedrom | anybody? |
| 06:34.56 | htedrom | i'm taking the inputs RIGHT from the console |
| 06:35.00 | htedrom | i've read all the manpages |
| 06:35.08 | htedrom | and it's still telling me the inputs are invalid |
| 06:35.17 | htedrom | KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument |
| 06:35.17 | htedrom | failed to set scancode f5 to keycode 200 |
| 06:35.25 | htedrom | KDSETKEYCODE: Invalid argument |
| 06:35.25 | htedrom | failed to set scancode 75 to keycode 200 |
| 06:35.26 | htedrom | etc etc |
| 06:35.48 | htedrom | and yes i've tried different keycodes |
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| 06:36.13 | liable | can i get mplayer to dump a stream as well as listen to it? |
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| 06:36.37 | Blackhold | hello |
| 06:36.43 | Blackhold | I have a problem |
| 06:36.48 | mjk64 | liable: That I'd like to know, too. |
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| 06:37.36 | sep | liable, yes read the manpage about -dumpfile and -dumpstream |
| 06:37.40 | Blackhold | my database has crashed |
| 06:37.55 | Blackhold | when I make a sentence with 2 tables |
| 06:37.59 | Blackhold | give me an error |
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| 06:38.13 | Blackhold | #1030 - Got error 127 from table handler |
| 06:38.25 | bob2 | "database"? |
| 06:38.37 | mjk64 | peterS: [ahem = no verb] Okay, and there's no verb for it in English? |
| 06:38.38 | peterS | Blackhold: I doubt I can help you in any case, since I don't do much DB admin, but you could start by telling us what database software you are using |
| 06:38.41 | liable | sep: ok, tried it and -playlist and dumpstream didnt want to play together, will go back to the man page |
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| 06:38.58 | peterS | mjk64: to clear one's throat, probably. /me clears his throat |
| 06:38.59 | fireba11 | morning guys |
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| 06:39.19 | mjk64 | liable: What? -playlist and -dumpstream work perfectly here! |
| 06:39.23 | peterS | mjk64: I can't think of a specific verb other than that |
| 06:39.34 | Blackhold | peterS: sorry |
| 06:39.38 | Blackhold | I'm reallly nervous |
| 06:39.42 | mjk64 | peterS: But in *<someverb>* form, this would be ridiculously long. |
| 06:39.44 | Blackhold | I use a debian |
| 06:39.49 | Blackhold | with a mysql database |
| 06:39.53 | mjk64 | peterS: ok, then I gotta live with that =) |
| 06:39.53 | Blackhold | the main problem |
| 06:39.54 | peterS | mjk64: yes |
| 06:39.56 | Blackhold | is that |
| 06:40.02 | liable | mjk64: hrm.. |
| 06:40.04 | Blackhold | when i made sentences with some tables |
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| 06:40.08 | Blackhold | give me that error |
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| 06:40.22 | EdLin | !tell Blackhold -about enter |
| 06:40.22 | Blackhold | these weekend |
| 06:40.26 | peterS | Blackhold: please, in the future, state your whole question on one line. it's easier to follow. |
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| 06:40.30 | Blackhold | were a lot of rainstorms |
| 06:40.31 | mjk64 | liable: the only effect that dumpstream has is that it dumps the stream instead of playing it |
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| 06:40.56 | htedrom | no one on my problem? |
| 06:40.58 | liable | mjk64: but i want to listen and dump it.. |
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| 06:42.08 | mjk64 | liable: That's what I also wanted a while ago ... maybe one could "tee" it somehow? |
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| 06:42.28 | liable | hmm.. |
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| 06:43.25 | Jerub | mjk64: workrave |
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| 06:44.04 | Mortalman | At videolan.org it says debian(sarge) has a current version of VLC, but I need to add a few sources to apt to get DVD support. I'm supposed to be installing libdvdcss2, but apt has no idea what this is. Any help with this would be appreciated. |
| 06:44.07 | mjk64 | Jerub: Wow! There is a program for that? This is cool. :-) |
| 06:44.33 | mwilson | Mortalman: Yes, as documented, Debian does not package libdvdcss. |
| 06:44.39 | csheppard | ur on my comp |
| 06:44.43 | peterS | Mortalman: you have to find a copy of libdvdcss2 somewhere other than debian. debian cannot ship it because of liability for lawsuits by the DVD industry, who don't want us to buy their DVDs and watch them |
| 06:45.01 | peterS | Mortalman: I think you can get a suitable libdvdcss2 .deb file from the marillat repository - /msg dpkg marillat |
| 06:45.24 | Mortalman | Well, videolan is supposed to be providing this, but apt can't find it. |
| 06:45.24 | mwilson | peterS: I buy lots of DVD's. I watch them on my nice comfortable couch where I can stretch out. |
| 06:45.42 | mwilson | Mortalman: For the second time, Debian does not package libdvdcss. |
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| 06:45.56 | peterS | Mortalman: debian cannot ship libdvdcss2, as I said. you'll have to find it from a third-party source who doesn't worry so much about lawsuits |
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| 06:46.15 | Mortalman | mwilson: I never said it did. You may want to try reading what I actualy did say. |
| 06:46.19 | xinming | hmm, anyone here can tell me how to use the switch '-t' for command shutdown? |
| 06:46.38 | htedrom | -t now |
| 06:46.41 | mwilson | xinming: You don't read the man page because...? |
| 06:46.43 | htedrom | lol |
| 06:46.45 | peterS | htedrom: no |
| 06:46.51 | xinming | `shutdown -h -t 30` won't shutdown the system in 30 seconds. |
| 06:46.56 | peterS | xinming: you almost never need to use that flag. it doesn't do what people think it does |
| 06:46.56 | xinming | mwilson: I've read it... |
| 06:46.57 | EdLin | Mortalman: /usr/share/libdvdread3/examples or somesuch has a script to install dvdcss (I'm not sure about the directory name, as I don't have libdvdread installed here currently.) |
| 06:47.00 | Jerub | the shutdown man page is hard to understand. |
| 06:47.04 | sep | htedrom, you also need to read the manpage |
| 06:47.06 | EdLin | !lol |
| 06:47.06 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 06:47.13 | peterS | xinming: you want 'shutdown -h 1' for one minute - shutdown accepts arguments in minutes, not seconds. -t is something different. |
| 06:47.14 | htedrom | lol will do |
| 06:47.34 | Phated | shutdown -h 30 isn't hard. |
| 06:47.35 | goodguy | bwahahahaha |
| 06:47.38 | htedrom | why is it when i say something wrong |
| 06:47.43 | EdLin | what happened to "Damnit Jim!" :-/ |
| 06:47.43 | xinming | peterS: hmm, In fact, That's what I wanna know... How to use that option... :-) |
| 06:47.44 | peterS | Phated: yeah but that's 30 minutes, he probably wanted 30 seconds |
| 06:47.48 | htedrom | i get a bunch of people clamouring to tell me how wrong i am |
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| 06:47.51 | goodguy | huhhehhahablah |
| 06:47.52 | htedrom | but when i ask a question |
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| 06:48.02 | htedrom | it's like a fuckin ashley simspon concert |
| 06:48.04 | mwilson | xinming: How to use that option for what? |
| 06:48.08 | sep | xinming, you never need to use the -t unless you have very spesific needs. -t say how long to wait between sending a hup and sending a kill to a pid when shutting down. |
| 06:48.15 | mwilson | xinming: It doesn't do what you think it does... get over it. |
| 06:48.17 | fireba11 | EdLin: that is still there but für "u" |
| 06:48.19 | Jerub | is it? |
| 06:48.23 | Phated | peterS: 3/60. :) |
| 06:48.24 | Jerub | I've used shutdown -t now |
| 06:48.24 | fireba11 | s/ü/u |
| 06:48.31 | htedrom | yea, -t now works |
| 06:48.33 | Jerub | or maybe I used shutdown -h now |
| 06:48.34 | bob2 | I'm glad "am I emo or not" doesn't exist |
| 06:48.38 | xinming | mwilson: hmm, well, If so, why is it there ? >_< |
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| 06:48.40 | bob2 | or this smiths song would put me in prison |
| 06:48.43 | htedrom | nah, i'm sure i've used -t now |
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| 06:48.45 | peterS | bob2: ha |
| 06:48.51 | sep | xinming, forinstance you have a wierd application that takes 2 minutes to gracefully end after a hup, you want to use -t and something longer the 2 minutes |
| 06:48.56 | peterS | htedrom: maybe you have, but it probably said "syntax error" |
| 06:48.56 | xinming | If it does nothing. why the option exists. |
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| 06:49.03 | htedrom | haha |
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| 06:49.05 | EdLin | fireba11: oh, I got them confused. I remember "!lol" being better though. |
| 06:49.09 | mwilson | xinming: It's there for the reason the man page says it is, which is also the reason peterS told you it was there. No one told you it "does nothing". |
| 06:49.11 | Phated | It DOES do something. Just not what you think it does. |
| 06:49.16 | peterS | xinming: it doesn't do *nothing*. it just does something you probably are not expecting. |
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| 06:49.26 | sep | xinming, it does something, just nothing you need to worry about, (or read the manpage if you do need to worry about it) |
| 06:49.33 | bob2 | that manpage is kinda shit |
| 06:49.39 | mwilson | sep: Oh, but he claims he's already read it. |
| 06:49.50 | xinming | peterS: Ok, tell me what it will do. hmm, I just wish to know the truth more clearly... :-) |
| 06:49.57 | htedrom | peterS: i'm sure it worked...it was on slackware...8.1? |
| 06:50.01 | sep | mwilson, repeat untill understand ? |
| 06:50.09 | peterS | xinming: it does exactly what the manpage says it does. should I cut and paste the text from the manpage so you don't have to read it directly? |
| 06:50.13 | htedrom | peterS: i even remember how the manpage phrased it |
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| 06:50.22 | mhall | mjk64: Yess, there would not be a sentence in English. |
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| 06:50.30 | Blackhold | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.30 | Blackhold | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.34 | mhall | htedrom: Are you root? |
| 06:50.35 | sep | xinming, i just told you a few lines aro. are you not paying attention either ? |
| 06:50.44 | htedrom | mhall: yep |
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| 06:50.51 | peterS | Blackhold: chmod -R a+rX . is simpler and is usually what you meant anyway |
| 06:50.54 | mjk64 | mhall: ok (pah, what a lame language without a verb for "ahem!" ;-) |
| 06:50.59 | htedrom | mhall: please tell me you're gonna help me with my setkeyxcodes problem? |
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| 06:51.18 | bob2 | Blackhold: (your suggestion would work, tho, if you replaced "a+x+r" with "a+rx") |
| 06:51.24 | peterS | mjk64: at least we have the noun "schadenfreude". wait, where did we get that noun, I wonder |
| 06:51.26 | htedrom | mhall: and not just tell me i'm full of incorrect syntax |
| 06:51.33 | xinming | sep: I've read it. And I've read the man page. But the man page doesn't give me much on the '-t' switch |
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| 06:51.54 | mjk64 | peterS: Maybe that's a Doppelganger noun? ;-) |
| 06:52.15 | xinming | and even no example. |
| 06:52.20 | mhall | mjk64: Well the same could be said with German in some cases. |
| 06:52.27 | mjk64 | mhall: Never! ;-) |
| 06:52.45 | Blackhold | no, thats no the solution of the problem :_ |
| 06:52.46 | peterS | mjk64: ha. we also have these great words zeitgeist and weltansschauung. english is such a wonderful language |
| 06:52.46 | mjk64 | mhall: But I'd be interested in examples. |
| 06:52.48 | mhall | mhall: It's tough without a progressive verb tense. |
| 06:52.53 | Blackhold | my boss will hang me :S |
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| 06:53.19 | mjk64 | peterS: Yes, Old English knows even words like "Fahrvergnügen". |
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| 06:54.01 | xKintaro | Where the hell do you configure a reply-to address in pine? |
| 06:54.04 | mhall | mjk64: It's also difficult to get around German's deliberate confusion of the past and perfect tenses. |
| 06:54.10 | EdLin | peterS: English is the Perl of human languages, it borrows a little something from everywhere and has a thousand ways to say the same thing. |
| 06:54.13 | peterS | mjk64: a favorite german-derived word is 'defenestrate', meaning to throw someone out a window |
| 06:54.35 | Guerin | xKintaro: use mutt |
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| 06:54.39 | peterS | it's a cool word because you very rarely have a use for it, but when you *do* need it it's perfect |
| 06:54.39 | mhall | mjk64: Sometimes when you really want to speak a sentence containing a perfect tense, everybody thinks you mean past. |
| 06:54.44 | mjk64 | peterS: Errrrrr ... you must be kidding. |
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| 06:55.00 | mhall | mjk64: no; defenestrate is a word |
| 06:55.06 | mhall | mjk64: we also have ersatz |
| 06:55.15 | mjk64 | peterS: That's a cool word, for which there is no shorter word or sentence in German |
| 06:55.16 | peterS | mjk64: nope, not kidding. it's a very funny word, IMO. |
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| 06:55.32 | mjk64 | mhall/peterS: This word is funny, indeed! Very cool ... |
| 06:55.42 | mhall | mjk64: but unlike in German, ersatz in English means it's a substitute / replacement, but it's an inferior one |
| 06:56.04 | mhall | mjk64: whereas in German, ersatz just would mean spare, without the implication of it being a poor quality spare |
| 06:56.18 | peterS | mjk64: it's not *really* german-derived, though. although it is obviously related to Fenster, it is also obviously related to the French word 'fenêtre' and the same in other languages |
| 06:57.02 | mjk64 | mhall: I have to admit that finding out when to use which tense in German is still on one of my many TODO lists. After 34 years. |
| 06:57.33 | mhall | mjk64: There is the occasion in English to say something like, "He's an ersatz programmer," by which you mean, "he's a poor substitute for a programmer." |
| 06:57.34 | mjk64 | peterS: fenêtre looks funny ... ah, UTF-8 probably. |
| 06:57.47 | peterS | mjk64: right, I didn't know whether to send you utf-8 or iso-8859-15 |
| 06:57.57 | peterS | but yes, it was fenêtre |
| 06:58.11 | mhall | peterS: if my locale is utf8; will irssi respect this? |
| 06:58.25 | mjk64 | mhall: Ah! I thought ersatz would just be the same as Ersatz .. (never used "ersatz" in English, though) |
| 06:58.27 | peterS | mhall: I think you might have to tell irssi specifically. I'm not sure, I haven't done it |
| 06:58.36 | EdLin | mhall: it works here in a utf8 xterm. |
| 06:58.43 | peterS | mhall: similar with 'screen', which I always use with irssi - apparently you have to tell it you want utf8, somehow |
| 06:58.48 | EdLin | (it should work in a properly configured console too) |
| 06:58.56 | drac | Even if you don't use UTF8, and you use ISO 8859-15 or something else, with Irssi 0.8.10-rc5 you can still see UTF8 properly. |
| 06:58.58 | mhall | peterS: also, when you sent fenetre, it came ok first time in default konsole encoding, but when i switched to utf8 and you resent, it did not come across |
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| 06:59.03 | peterS | like with -U or something, and there are two or three screen variables related to this |
| 06:59.09 | EdLin | I'm in screen here and the second fenetre came out with the caret. |
| 06:59.19 | peterS | mhall: odd. first time I said it in utf8, second time in iso-8859-15 |
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| 06:59.24 | mjk64 | mhall: yeah, that "ersatz programmer" seems to be hard to be expressed as short in German. Maybe in colloquial or slang German ... |
| 06:59.33 | mhall | peterS: could you send again in utf8? |
| 06:59.51 | mhall | mjk64: I'd go with Scheissprogrammierer. |
| 06:59.52 | peterS | mhall: utf8 is fenêtre |
| 07:00.03 | mhall | peterS: ah; works now |
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| 07:00.06 | mhall | peterS: now iso |
| 07:00.13 | peterS | mhall: ...and iso8859-{1,15} is fenêtre |
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| 07:00.22 | EdLin | weird, utf8 is what's not working here. |
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| 07:00.35 | EdLin | (screen in an xterm using monospace) |
| 07:00.40 | mhall | peterS: yeah broken in iso |
| 07:00.41 | mjk64 | mjk64: Errr ... that's a little ... to much of "bad" ;-) |
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| 07:01.00 | peterS | EdLin: screen has to be told to use utf8 with 'screen -U' and possibly one or two settings in ~/.screenrc. I forget the details |
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| 07:01.06 | mhall | mjk64: perhaps Schlimmprogrammierer |
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| 07:01.24 | fireba11 | got iso here it seems ^^ |
| 07:01.27 | mjk64 | mhall: *meep* No such noun "Schlimm*" |
| 07:01.36 | mhall | mjk64: tittybiscuits |
| 07:01.40 | mjk64 | mhall: (except for "(etwas) Schlimmes") |
| 07:01.45 | mhall | mjk64: i thought that was allowed |
| 07:01.52 | mhall | !mhallsmite mhall |
| 07:01.55 | dpkg | Fuck mhall. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 07:02.07 | mjk64 | mhall: tittybiscuits??? Is it that late already for the IRCers in here losing control? |
| 07:02.20 | peterS | mjk64: it's midnight where he lives |
| 07:02.37 | fireba11 | it's 9 am here though ;-) |
| 07:02.37 | mhall | peterS: hehe |
| 07:02.41 | mjk64 | peterS: =) |
| 07:02.47 | mhall | mjk64: it's a wonderful british expression |
| 07:02.55 | mhall | i wonder what the German equivalent would be |
| 07:03.03 | Daveman | wtf? |
| 07:03.06 | mjk64 | ok |
| 07:03.26 | mjk64 | mhall: German equivalent of "ersatz programmer" or "tittybiscuits"? |
| 07:03.42 | mwilson | Hm, is it safe to allow d'Itri's latest module-init-tools to install? |
| 07:03.43 | mhall | mjk64: do you of a good online german-language dictionary of german? |
| 07:03.44 | mjk64 | fireba11: But www.urbandictionary.com does: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tittybiscuits |
| 07:03.52 | peterS | I haven't heard 'tittybiscuits' either. I'm not british enough, perhaps |
| 07:03.53 | mjk64 | mhall: dict.leo.org |
| 07:03.59 | mjk64 | peterS: :-) |
| 07:04.06 | peterS | dict.leo.org is de<->en, not pure de |
| 07:04.08 | mhall | mjk64: right, but that does not seem to give full definitions |
| 07:04.30 | mjk64 | peterS: oh, sorry ... when I read "dictionary", I always think of a bilingual book ... hmm. |
| 07:04.35 | peterS | heh |
| 07:04.47 | mjk64 | mhall: Wait ... |
| 07:05.12 | mhall | i'm to the point where the de-en ones are often not precise enough |
| 07:05.24 | mhall | hey can anybody give me hints for OOo on my AMD64 laptop? |
| 07:05.40 | peterS | pain, pain. |
| 07:05.40 | mjk64 | mhall: http://www.dwds.de/?woerterbuch=1&qu= |
| 07:05.43 | peterS | that's what oo.o on amd64 is. |
| 07:06.02 | mhall | peterS: why can't they just do a buildd build and be done with it |
| 07:06.09 | peterS | mhall: apparently it's not 64-bit clean |
| 07:06.11 | mhall | peterS: wtf about the code is arch proprietary |
| 07:06.13 | mjk64 | mhall: I don't know if it's good, but it seems to be detailed - although it doesn't have a definition for "Ersatz" |
| 07:06.14 | peterS | mhall: so first someone has to fix the code |
| 07:06.16 | mhall | peterS: ! horrifying |
| 07:06.21 | fireba11 | peterS: why that ? i thought there is an amd64 package ? |
| 07:06.29 | peterS | fireba11: is there? I thought there was not |
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| 07:06.43 | mhall | mjk64: thanks! |
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| 07:07.03 | mhall | mjk64: no defn of ersatz? |
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| 07:07.09 | mhall | mjk64: i thought that was a real common word |
| 07:07.22 | mjk64 | mhall: Which word? "schlimm"? |
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| 07:08.07 | mhall | mjk64: ersatz |
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| 07:08.54 | mjk64 | mhall: Ah, "Ersatz", yeah, that's quite common - just not with that negative connotation, in that case you could say "nur ein Ersatz(blah)" |
| 07:08.58 | chx | hi. i have severe problems with skype. I even tried the static linked against qt version. I type skype, press enter and dang nothing happens . there are no 'stuck' skype processes. by 'nothing' i mean it just stands there , does not end , does not run |
| 07:09.10 | mhall | mjk64: ersatz was not in the dictionary |
| 07:09.11 | mjk64 | GRRR! mjk64 is *hungry*! |
| 07:09.16 | fireba11 | peterS: sorry, my fault .. seems no amd64 versions of it yet |
| 07:09.22 | Guerin | chx: complain to skype |
| 07:09.24 | mjk64 | mhall: I know :-( |
| 07:09.38 | Guerin | chx: we don't care, since it's not free software, and we therefore can't fix it. |
| 07:09.39 | peterS | mhall: ha. an italian woman told me recently that for the past 20 years she has been in the US she has been annoyed about people spelling that word 'lasagna' with final a |
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| 07:09.53 | chx | Guerin: well, yeah i just thought someone met this problem |
| 07:09.59 | mhall | mjk64: what is the brand of woerterbuch most germans would have at home |
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| 07:10.03 | peterS | of course 'lasagne' is correct, it's a plural noun in italian |
| 07:10.22 | Guerin | chx: if someone had, odds are they'd have complained to skype about it. |
| 07:10.27 | peterS | mjk64: thanks (: |
| 07:10.41 | mhall | peterS: what's it's literal meaning |
| 07:10.57 | mjk64 | mhall: Either "Duden" (BAH, they're responsible for the spelling reform!) or "Langescheidt". |
| 07:10.59 | peterS | mhall: well, it's that type of noodles. so the lasagne are the noodles |
| 07:11.02 | mjk64 | peterS: =) |
| 07:11.07 | mhall | peterS: s/it's/its/g |
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| 07:11.35 | chx | Guerin: and despite I am one of the lead programmers of a small OSS project (Drupal CMS, that is) I am no OSS zealot .If it's OSS, fine, if it's not , fine again :) |
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| 07:12.04 | maher | chx: well then its fine we can't fix it |
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| 07:12.37 | litage_ | what does it mean when pkgA pre-depends pkgB? |
| 07:12.48 | chx | maher: sure, I understand it |
| 07:12.55 | peterS | litage_: same as depends, except that pkgB must be *fully* installed before pkgA *starts* to install |
| 07:13.00 | mhall | peterS: so when one uses the plural form in italian is one taken to mean the dish or the noodles used to make it |
| 07:13.02 | peterS | litage_: depends is much more loose |
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| 07:13.30 | peterS | mhall: I guess the dish, same as in english, but if you wanted to refer to the noodles you'd probably use the same word. so I guess both |
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| 07:14.12 | mjk64 | mhall: Do you want a dictionary with precise definitions or just with orthographic and flexion(?) issues? For the latter, http://www.canoo.net/ might be an idea. |
| 07:14.20 | mhall | peterS: B pre-depends A: must have A for the install scripts of B to work; B depends A; must have A for the executables of B to work? |
| 07:14.30 | maher | chx: i assume you straced it to find out where it got stuck... |
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| 07:14.57 | mhall | mjk64: yeah; heard of this site; i was looking for a german language dictionary of german to be used when resolving ambiguities which arise in my studies |
| 07:15.10 | peterS | mhall: strictly speaking, installing happens in three steps. first is 'prerm' of the old version (if present) and 'preinst' of the new version. then 'unpack' of the new version, where the files are put on the disk. then 'postinst' |
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| 07:15.13 | mhall | mjk64: particularly when there are especially rare words appearing in old texts, etc. |
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| 07:15.25 | peterS | mhall: pre-depends must be satisfied before 'preinst'. depends must be satisfied before 'postinst'. |
| 07:15.30 | mhall | peterS: right this i understand |
| 07:15.36 | peterS | mhall: so that's the difference. |
| 07:15.39 | mjk64 | mhall: I see ... hey, just ask me! ;-) |
| 07:15.44 | mhall | peterS: but i'm coming from a perspective of practicality |
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| 07:15.52 | dondelelcaro | although there are some strange rules about when predepends and depends can be considered satisfied |
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| 07:16.13 | mhall | peterS: by which i mean that, i'm thinking from the perspective of the developer setting the variables |
| 07:16.20 | peterS | mhall: practically, if the 'preinst' script requires something, you need a pre-depends. otherwise if the 'postinst' script needs it, or runtime needs it, a depends is good enough |
| 07:16.24 | mhall | peterS: and why (s)he would set to one value or the other |
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| 07:16.41 | peterS | mhall: pre-depends is almost never needed, in practice |
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| 07:17.11 | peterS | mhall: preinst scripts are relatively rare in the first place, and if you do use one it generally only uses system components guaranteed to be present ("Essential: yes") |
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| 07:17.13 | mhall | peterS: it might be needed for a situation when a package's scripts do a byte-compile of its code with a byte compiler from some other package |
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| 07:17.22 | liable | mjk64: mplayer -slave http://whatever -dumpstream & sleep 5 ; ( cat stream.dump | mplayer - ) |
| 07:17.28 | peterS | mhall: the byte-compile will happen in postinst, so depends is still good enough |
| 07:17.32 | dondelelcaro | mhall: yeah, but you'd do that in postinst |
| 07:17.34 | mhall | peterS: ah |
| 07:17.35 | mjk64 | liable: Wow! You found out! |
| 07:17.38 | mhall | *doh* |
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| 07:17.45 | liable | mjk64: best i could come up with (well, best i could find on the net :) |
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| 07:17.48 | mjk64 | liable: Thx! |
| 07:17.51 | dondelelcaro | the number of things that should be done in preinst is really small |
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| 07:17.59 | peterS | indeed |
| 07:18.01 | mhall | now i want to grep for predepends and find out what packages do this |
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| 07:18.12 | mhall | where would i peek? the dpkg info file? |
| 07:18.14 | peterS | mhall: it'll all be in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.preinst |
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| 07:18.29 | aeronadix | Hey, I am trying to use the xset command. xset m 5 3. But the thing is I have a laptop with two mouse. One touchpad, and one in the middle of the keyboard. I want to run xset on the mouse on the keyboard, but it is changing the setting of the touchpad mouse. Anyone know how to specify which mouse, or both mouse? |
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| 07:18.57 | mhall | aeronadix: what setting are you trying to tweak |
| 07:19.12 | aeronadix | mhall, mouse speed |
| 07:19.15 | peterS | mhall: in that dir I have 149 packages with a preinst file, and 682 packages with a postinst file. 1160 total packages installed on my system |
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| 07:19.45 | peterS | mhall: btw when I said 'prerm' above I meant 'postrm'. but anyway, that's a very minor detail |
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| 07:19.55 | peterS | actually hmmm, which is it anyway? |
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| 07:20.02 | mhall | peterS: and then out of all of those, many with preinst files are using essential core stuff |
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| 07:20.13 | mhall | peterS: so perhaps 5% of the 149 would have a pre-depend |
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| 07:20.22 | peterS | mhall: correct. almost all of them should only use essential core stuff. even 5% is probably high |
| 07:20.42 | dondelelcaro | yeah, pretty much the most common Pre-Depends are for versioned dependencies on core stuff |
| 07:20.44 | peterS | well, maybe not. let me check.. |
| 07:20.44 | mhall | peterS: you're talking about something 3 sigma from normal then? |
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| 07:21.16 | dondelelcaro | or for debconf, which isn't Essential: yes, but is almost... |
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| 07:22.03 | peterS | mhall: dondelelcaro is right, pre-depends seem to be dominated by versioned dependencies on stuff that is already essential. so, making sure libc6 is >= 2.3.5-1 or whatever. |
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| 07:23.33 | peterS | mhall: there is some talk, btw, of making a weaker 'depends' field which would mean "this will be needed at runtime, but is not needed for the postinst script". that would solve a few problems with circular depends. but it probably won't happen |
| 07:23.49 | dondelelcaro | well, it probably will, but not for a while |
| 07:23.52 | mhall | peterS: too much work for too little reward |
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| 07:24.21 | dondelelcaro | since right now what happens is the loop is just broken randomly |
| 07:24.22 | peterS | mhall: well, circular depends *are* a bit of a problem. A depends: B, B depends: A. what order can dpkg install them in? it can't. so it cheats by breaking the loop at some random place and hoping nothing goes terribly wrong |
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| 07:24.45 | mhall | only had it occur once or twice to me; fixed it with dpkg --force-help |
| 07:25.03 | dondelelcaro | generally you can fix it by explicitely installing one first |
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| 07:25.41 | peterS | mhall: the reason the 'breaking the loop randomly' thing works is that most of the time, depends is specified much more strictly than would really be necessary. i.e., the postinst isn't going to need the other package. or, the other package is going to be functional *enough* before its own postinst runs. |
| 07:25.42 | jaymzh | There's a package that's configure script asks you whether homedirs should be world-readable by default - what package is that? |
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| 07:25.58 | dondelelcaro | jaymzh: either adduser or base-config |
| 07:26.05 | dondelelcaro | jaymzh: it's a setting for adduser in any case. |
| 07:26.10 | jaymzh | I tried base-config, I'll try that, thanks |
| 07:26.21 | jaymzh | it's adduser, sweet |
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| 07:26.35 | jm_ | easy to find out by reading debconf database |
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| 07:27.01 | jaymzh | dondelelcaro: yeah, I knew it was an option, I wasn't sure where the config lived... |
| 07:27.14 | Lorvija | hey, is there such a script/program that when i open ssh connection to my server i'd need to type specific words/sentences in x seconds or otherwise i would be banned from the server by ip.? and all the other commands would be denied before the right "password"? |
| 07:27.21 | aeronadix | so anyone know how to configure mouse speed using xset when there is two mouse on the laptop |
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| 07:27.50 | peterS | Lorvija: sounds like a job for a pam module. I don't know of one that does quite what you want, though |
| 07:27.59 | dondelelcaro | jaymzh: man adduser; will help you out with that.. |
| 07:28.09 | Lorvija | peterS okay.. where could i find some info about these pam modules? |
| 07:28.12 | dondelelcaro | jaymzh: the FILES section of the manpage is always useful |
| 07:28.22 | jaymzh | good call. |
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| 07:28.29 | peterS | Lorvija: apt-cache search libpam |
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| 07:28.38 | Lorvija | peterS okay thanks for the help |
| 07:28.40 | peterS | Lorvija: will print a nice list of these things, you can look at them individually to see what they do |
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| 07:28.52 | Lorvija | peterS okay great |
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| 07:31.01 | maher | Lorvija: people have various scripts to do things like that, i use something based on: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1157&highlight=ssh+bruteforce |
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| 07:31.05 | DjOne | Cyao a tutti! |
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| 07:31.38 | maher | Lorvija: but note it only locks you out for 5 mins - this is so I don't lock myself out permanently |
| 07:32.17 | jm_ | there's a lot of PAM modules on the Linux PAM page, not all of them are available in Debian |
| 07:32.25 | mop | giorno |
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| 07:35.28 | streuner | hm |
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| 07:36.20 | mjk64 | What's "Quarkstrudel" in English (if there is such a thing outside Germany). Looks like this: http://www.cafe-pastell.com/images/zum-mitnehmen/quark-strudel.jpg and is made of filo dough(?) and filled with curd and raisins. |
| 07:36.43 | Guerin | oh, i want strudel so much |
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| 07:37.07 | mjk64 | Guerin: Where are you located? |
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| 07:37.10 | Guerin | i have a mate who was a pastry chef ... hmm. |
| 07:37.19 | abeo | how to make oidentd answer every ident request with same answers? |
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| 07:37.36 | fireba11 | Guerin: filled with what ? my mother made about 20 different versions so far ^^ |
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| 07:37.52 | mjk64 | Guerin: Is "Quarkstrudel" simply "curd strudel" in English? |
| 07:38.06 | Guerin | abeo: don't use oidentd. Just run "echo whateveryouwant" out of inetd. |
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| 07:38.17 | Guerin | mjk64: probably, i haven't heard of that particular one |
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| 07:38.28 | Guerin | i'm fond of apple-raisin-cinnamon |
| 07:38.28 | peterS | Guerin: heh, good point about inetd being an identd |
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| 07:38.41 | mhall | abeo: there is a way to get this to occur with iptables also |
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| 07:38.55 | Gnea | COFFEE ICE CREAM |
| 07:38.55 | mhall | abeo: you can make it print a raw string onto a port everytime it's connected to |
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| 07:39.02 | Gnea | oh oops |
| 07:39.03 | mjk64 | Gnea: *salivate* |
| 07:39.07 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:39.07 | mjk64 | :-) |
| 07:39.09 | jm_ | do you seriously expect that someone who doesn't know how to configure oidentd will know what to echo to make remote end understand it? |
| 07:39.12 | abeo | well haven't used debian so long so any guide to do it? |
| 07:39.14 | maher | so in german is the fundamental stuff everything is made out curd? |
| 07:39.17 | mhall | mjk64: broetchen mit pastrami und gouda! |
| 07:39.25 | maher | s/out/out of/ |
| 07:39.33 | mjk64 | mhall: What the hell is pastrami? Lemme google ... |
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| 07:39.53 | Gnea | ... |
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| 07:39.58 | Gnea | pastrami is teh yum |
| 07:39.59 | Reilithion | Ah. Pastrami on rye. |
| 07:40.02 | mhall | mjk64: oder broetchen mit salami und gouda! |
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| 07:40.08 | mjk64 | mhall: Hell, that looks fscking good!! |
| 07:40.12 | Guerin | damn you all |
| 07:40.23 | Guerin | i want food that's not korean for a change |
| 07:40.26 | hyperstream | after opening a whole load of stuff working on stuff for a few hours. it lags my pc up and when i close everything its still laggy as, is there any reason to shit? (mainly just gedit , firefox, azureus |
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| 07:40.43 | abeo | Guerin: something like "echo stream tcp 113 nowait ANSWERS global"? |
| 07:40.43 | mjk64 | Guerin: Are you in Korea (now)? |
| 07:40.45 | Gnea | pastromi on rye with avacado, mayo, mustard, spinach, tomatoes and black olives. |
| 07:40.48 | mhall | mjk64: hehe can't you go get some broetchen right now? |
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| 07:40.50 | Guerin | hyperstream: either firefox or azureus could be to blame |
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| 07:41.01 | Guerin | abeo: i can't remember inedt syntax |
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| 07:41.07 | mjk64 | mhall: I'm exhausted somehow ... |
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| 07:41.17 | mhall | mjk64: how far do you have to go? |
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| 07:41.27 | mhall | mjk64: they were only 5 min. away when i was in .de |
| 07:41.30 | mjk64 | mhall: But I could eat a few slices of toasted err... toast. Toasted toast? |
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| 07:41.40 | mhall | mjk64: just toast ;-) |
| 07:41.45 | mjk64 | mhall: ok =) |
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| 07:41.56 | hyperstream | Guerin, ever after closing them? |
| 07:42.06 | peterS | abeo: well, not 'echo' for the first word but 'ident', since you want this on the ident port. so, ident stream tcp nowait nobody /bin/echo echo your string |
| 07:42.07 | Gnea | mjk64: blackened toast? ick.. |
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| 07:42.14 | mjk64 | mhall: For Brötchen, I'd have to go a kilometer. For *good* Brötchen, I have to go to the bakery, which is about 3 kilometers from here. |
| 07:42.19 | mjk64 | Gnea: :-) |
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| 07:42.22 | peterS | abeo: (yes, 'echo' twice there) |
| 07:42.31 | mhall | Bejahrter Kaese ist auch gut! |
| 07:42.32 | mjk64 | Gnea: Scared of acrylamide? ;-) |
| 07:42.32 | Guerin | hyperstream: if they didn't die properly, sure. |
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| 07:42.40 | Gnea | mjk64: what's that? |
| 07:42.45 | mhall | mjk64: then you need to get a huge supply so you won't run out for a week or two. |
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| 07:43.00 | mhall | Gnea: small delicious fresh baked german bread rolls |
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| 07:43.08 | hyperstream | Guerin, so what you saying is parts of it could still be stuck in the memory etc? |
| 07:43.11 | Gnea | sounds yummy |
| 07:43.13 | mhall | Gnea: you eat them with butter and jams or with meats and cheeses |
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| 07:43.18 | Gnea | mjk64: why would i be scared of those? |
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| 07:43.24 | Gnea | silly germans |
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| 07:43.27 | Gnea | :) |
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| 07:43.28 | mjk64 | Gnea: Acrylamid (German, not sure about English translation) develops when you make food very hot and is said to cause cancer. |
| 07:43.37 | EvilKid_6 | I need help please. I don't know how to fight. |
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| 07:43.46 | Guerin | hyperstream: azureus and firefox are both reknowned for not dying cleanly |
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| 07:43.48 | EvilKid_6 | And i have to fight someone tomorrow |
| 07:43.52 | mhall | Gnea: you can warm them up by putting them on top of a toaster with this little tray they give you when you buy a toaster in .de |
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| 07:43.58 | Gnea | EvilKid_6: run out into the street naked and yell "I AM GAY!!" |
| 07:44.00 | Guerin | hyperstream: use ps to check; otherwise, use top to see what IS making slow |
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| 07:44.04 | mjk64 | mhall: The next day, no Brötchen tastes like Brötchen any more. Well, the next day you can put it in the oven, but the day after, you shouldn't ... |
| 07:44.14 | Guerin | EvilKid_6: you never have to fight anyone. |
| 07:44.22 | EvilKid_6 | It is for rep |
| 07:44.22 | Gnea | EvilKid_6: fighting is for pussies |
| 07:44.32 | mhall | mjk64: ! my host family stored em in bags so they were pretty good for a week or so |
| 07:44.33 | EvilKid_6 | If i dont fight i lose everything |
| 07:44.37 | Guerin | EvilKid_6: unless they're coming right for you with a broken bottle, and that clearly ain't the case. |
| 07:44.43 | Gnea | EvilKid_6: why are you asking here? |
| 07:44.44 | EvilKid_6 | No its fist |
| 07:44.47 | Guerin | EvilKid_6: doesn't sound like you had much to begin with. |
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| 07:44.57 | Gnea | EvilKid_6: where do you live? |
| 07:45.00 | streuner | its prolly the best cake i've ever ate... |
| 07:45.03 | EvilKid_6 | canada |
| 07:45.10 | Gnea | another stupid cannuck |
| 07:45.12 | mjk64 | mhall: Hmm ... yeah, hm. Maybe possible. :_) |
| 07:45.17 | Gnea | that's at least 2 today |
| 07:45.19 | abeo | peterS: echo twice? |
| 07:45.24 | hyperstream | EvilKid_6, ahh id sugest not messing around and just go straight up into there face. for new fighters a good mixture is nuts and throat |
| 07:45.34 | peterS | abeo: the line I gave you has '/bin/echo echo' in it. I wanted you to know that wasn't a typo |
| 07:45.42 | hyperstream | gah you just need to train. get your beans then you'll wann trian. do kick boxing |
| 07:45.43 | EvilKid_6 | is that a serious answser? hyperstream |
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| 07:45.46 | hyperstream | thats boost your confidences |
| 07:45.47 | hyperstream | yes |
| 07:45.47 | Gnea | EvilKid_6: just aim low, then aim high |
| 07:45.53 | EvilKid_6 | i kant kick him in teh nut |
| 07:46.01 | EvilKid_6 | its all means wrong |
| 07:46.05 | maher | EvilKid_6: the debian geeks are awesome fighters! youcame to the right channel... |
| 07:46.05 | abeo | ok i'll test it now.. |
| 07:46.07 | mjk64 | Gnea: Funny, we use "Kanack(e)" for Turks "and the likes" ;-) |
| 07:46.08 | hyperstream | EvilKid_6, get a boxing bag and practise hitting straight and accurate |
| 07:46.18 | EvilKid_6 | I already have one |
| 07:46.20 | hyperstream | then practise speed with power |
| 07:46.23 | Guerin | oh, i know |
| 07:46.28 | Gnea | mjk64: yeah but notice the 'C' not the 'K' ;) |
| 07:46.32 | Guerin | you're all ninjas in real life |
| 07:46.33 | hyperstream | then once you know how to punch then you learn little combos |
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| 07:46.34 | Guerin | I am too |
| 07:46.34 | EvilKid_6 | I just dont know how the punching bag would help me fight |
| 07:46.36 | hyperstream | combo's are the keys |
| 07:46.37 | mjk64 | Gnea: =) |
| 07:46.38 | hyperstream | and shins |
| 07:46.49 | EvilKid_6 | I heard my opponet is fast |
| 07:46.54 | hyperstream | EvilKid_6, well put it this way you hit someone wrong and you'll break your wrist |
| 07:46.54 | maher | Guerin: riding on hippos... |
| 07:46.54 | EvilKid_6 | I nevedr really saw it myself |
| 07:46.55 | peterS | Guerin: totally |
| 07:46.55 | hyperstream | :) |
| 07:47.04 | Guerin | maher: heh |
| 07:47.06 | streuner | mjk64: that's not the same, you don't want to discuss those things in details |
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| 07:47.08 | hyperstream | EvilKid_6, is he taller than you ? (longer arms?) |
| 07:47.11 | EvilKid_6 | My fist are totaly numb |
| 07:47.18 | EvilKid_6 | from all the stuff i hit |
| 07:47.29 | EvilKid_6 | not numb completly thou |
| 07:47.31 | Guerin | EvilKid_6: where can we bet on this fight? |
| 07:47.35 | EdLin | EvilKid_6: hit the face - even if you don't win you'll at least make him look like he lost. |
| 07:47.36 | hyperstream | EvilKid_6, ? does he have longer arms? |
| 07:47.37 | maher | EvilKid_6: how about running away |
| 07:47.40 | EvilKid_6 | yes |
| 07:47.44 | EvilKid_6 | hes tallin that me a bit |
| 07:47.44 | mjk64 | streuner: Oh, so there's "Kanuck", too? Okay, okay, better no in-depth discussion about that topic =) |
| 07:47.48 | jm_ | just ban the fucker |
| 07:47.50 | Gnea | EvilKid_6: where is this kid from? new york? |
| 07:47.54 | hyperstream | then you need to be up in his face and not distance |
| 07:48.02 | EvilKid_6 | run? |
| 07:48.05 | hyperstream | long armed people cannot hit short distances |
| 07:48.11 | hyperstream | LOL jm ! |
| 07:48.11 | Guerin | EvilKid_6: baseball bat. |
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| 07:48.20 | Guerin | oh wait, he's canadian |
| 07:48.22 | hyperstream | EvilKid_6, no dont weapon |
| 07:48.24 | EvilKid_6 | lol weapon |
| 07:48.24 | Guerin | EvilKid_6: hockey stick |
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| 07:48.31 | EvilKid_6 | u i noe no weapon |
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| 07:48.35 | hyperstream | chances are he'll have boys that will ahve weapons |
| 07:48.35 | EdLin | !u |
| 07:48.35 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:48.36 | maher | EvilKid_6: weapon of mass destruction |
| 07:48.42 | hyperstream | and you'll get knifed |
| 07:48.42 | EvilKid_6 | yeh* i know no weapons. |
| 07:48.44 | hyperstream | just fist |
| 07:48.45 | Guerin | EvilKid_6: well, you're clearly going to get the hell beaten out of you otherwise, so... |
| 07:48.47 | hyperstream | straight up scrap. |
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| 07:48.55 | peterS | maybe hit him with a steaming cup of tim horton's |
| 07:48.57 | EvilKid_6 | so if he has long arms |
| 07:48.58 | mhall | EvilKid_6: well at least your competition is not likely to have firearms |
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| 07:49.05 | hyperstream | EvilKid_6, the key is not to DROP NUTS. the winner is always the one with more heart |
| 07:49.06 | Gnea | peterS: now that's a good idea. |
| 07:49.11 | Gnea | tim hortons makes some HOT coffee |
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| 07:49.15 | hyperstream | training / or not |
| 07:49.16 | Gnea | (good coffee, too) |
| 07:49.19 | Gnea | i miss it |
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| 07:49.28 | Gnea | replaced tim hortons with togo's when i moved here :/ |
| 07:49.30 | peterS | Gnea: it's what I hear. I haven't been up that way recently enough to have any idea |
| 07:49.30 | EvilKid_6 | drop nuts? more heart?? |
| 07:49.33 | jaaro | hi there. Is there any simple way how one can unpack/modify/repack deb package? |
| 07:49.33 | Guerin | hyperstream: that's the purest bullshit i've heard in 14 years of marital arts |
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| 07:49.36 | hyperstream | just cunt loose but not agro. keep your cool, and if it looks like he's gonna start it, you suprise and take first |
| 07:49.38 | mhall | mjk64: they used Yuffe where i was |
| 07:49.38 | Guerin | and martial arts, too |
| 07:49.40 | hyperstream | but dont stop throwing |
| 07:49.43 | jm_ | jaaro: yes |
| 07:49.45 | maher | jaalto: dpkg-repack |
| 07:49.53 | maher | jaaro: dpkg-repack |
| 07:49.54 | hyperstream | Guerin, i do kickboxing and shoalin :) |
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| 07:50.06 | hyperstream | jeet kun |
| 07:50.14 | Nwallins | jun fan? |
| 07:50.24 | hyperstream | brb peeps |
| 07:50.25 | Guerin | hyperstream: why do you bother training if heart is everything? |
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| 07:50.33 | Guerin | just believe in yourself |
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| 07:50.39 | EvilKid_6 | swinging punches isnt that random? |
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| 07:50.42 | maher | Guerin: why bother with logic when heart is everything? |
| 07:50.45 | hyperstream | Guerin, cause i have heart. + training good combo |
| 07:50.45 | Gnea | peterS: they started introducing tim hortons into the states in western new york a couple years ago |
| 07:50.57 | hyperstream | EvilKid_6, also learn how to hook properly :) |
| 07:50.59 | Guerin | maher: who knew that all the other power rangers were a waste of space? |
| 07:51.02 | mjk64 | mhall: What's "Yuffe"? |
| 07:51.08 | Guerin | hyperstream: but this bloke has neither. |
| 07:51.12 | Gnea | peterS: their first stores in rochester did so well they opened up some more |
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| 07:51.16 | hyperstream | lol |
| 07:51.24 | peterS | Gnea: good to hear. I'm a long way from new york though |
| 07:51.26 | hyperstream | its not hard to fight you just have to stun them (newb fights) |
| 07:51.34 | mhall | Gnea: tim hortons? |
| 07:51.35 | Gnea | peterS: so am i |
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| 07:51.38 | Gnea | mhall: yes. |
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| 07:51.46 | EvilKid_6 | well its my first fight i xagerate that ive been in some :\ |
| 07:51.49 | maher | Guerin: they had names? I thought they just had colours... |
| 07:51.51 | mhall | mjk64: the term they used for turks in ruhrgebiet |
| 07:51.53 | hyperstream | when you hit them. dont aim for the face aim for the back of there skull. as 9 out of 10 times you'll come short :) |
| 07:51.55 | EvilKid_6 | that really screwed me |
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| 07:51.56 | peterS | mhall: chain of coffee / donut shops in canada, said to be really good stuff |
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| 07:52.03 | Gnea | mhall: it's a canadian drive thru basically - but it's not crap, it's good healthy food |
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| 07:52.06 | hyperstream | and it looks so newbish |
| 07:52.08 | hyperstream | k EvilKid_6 ? |
| 07:52.13 | mjk64 | mhall: Aaah, I see! :-) That'd be "Juffe", probably ... nice. |
| 07:52.17 | EvilKid_6 | what would look newbish |
| 07:52.20 | Guerin | maher: oh wait, I'm thinking of the Planeteers |
| 07:52.24 | Guerin | maher: my bad |
| 07:52.29 | mhall | Gnea: ah; sweet, no way that'd come from the USA |
| 07:52.30 | hyperstream | dont aim for the face aim for the back of there skull. as 9 out of 10 times you'll come short :) <---- |
| 07:52.38 | Alejo | Hi. I had ubuntu. I changed the packet servers to debians's. I did apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade. It's doing that right now. When it's done, am I gonna have debian? Or am I just the king of fools ? |
| 07:52.40 | EvilKid_6 | whats the difference |
| 07:52.41 | hyperstream | when you throw a mean hook but dont fully reach face |
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| 07:52.44 | mhall | Gnea: i remember hearing of it once before now |
| 07:52.48 | hyperstream | that wont happen if you aim for the back of the head |
| 07:52.53 | mjk64 | mhall: It's not easy to learn dialect-free German in Real Life(tm). :-) |
| 07:52.55 | hyperstream | well difference is, its a knock out hit |
| 07:52.58 | hyperstream | :) |
| 07:53.01 | EvilKid_6 | oh |
| 07:53.02 | mhall | mjk64: yeah i only heard it spoken not written |
| 07:53.02 | maher | Guerin: no - google says pink was kimberly hart... |
| 07:53.04 | hyperstream | driving the punch |
| 07:53.06 | EvilKid_6 | i gotta watch myself |
| 07:53.07 | hyperstream | :) |
| 07:53.07 | EvilKid_6 | to |
| 07:53.10 | Guerin | Alejo: the latter. |
| 07:53.16 | Guerin | maher: oh, coincidence |
| 07:53.18 | EvilKid_6 | dunt wanna get hit in the back |
| 07:53.21 | mhall | mjk64: i'll just have to move to hanover |
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| 07:53.24 | Gnea | mhall: yeah man, canada's on a roll - now if these idiots that feel that they need to fight would wake the hell up and get a clue then they'd be set |
| 07:53.26 | hyperstream | yeah, since you dont know how to fight. either(if fast) dodge a bit tire him out) |
| 07:53.31 | hyperstream | or, just cut loose |
| 07:53.33 | hyperstream | and go nuts |
| 07:53.34 | Alejo | Guerin, am I just destroying my system? |
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| 07:53.42 | EvilKid_6 | hes the one that goes nuts |
| 07:53.45 | hyperstream | scare your oponent |
| 07:53.45 | EvilKid_6 | i heard |
| 07:53.48 | maher | Guerin: heh - i though you were exhibiting elite power ranger knowledge... |
| 07:53.55 | EvilKid_6 | thats why he is "fast" |
| 07:53.57 | Guerin | Alejo: possibly. It's only a matter of time before it breaks horribly. |
| 07:54.00 | mhall | Gnea: i suppose they can move up the ranks since the US is mismanaging itself so completely |
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| 07:54.22 | EvilKid_6 | well all i noe is a wieght train and he dont |
| 07:54.24 | Guerin | maher: no, fear! |
| 07:54.25 | mhall | Gnea: partner with the europeans and the asians and give the US the ass kicking it needs |
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| 07:54.26 | EvilKid_6 | I* |
| 07:54.27 | Alejo | Guerin, bah, think you're just kidding ;) |
| 07:54.38 | jaaro | I want to create very lightweight debian distro. Is it for example okay and safe to remove doc & man pages, although they are mentioned in deb packages? Is there any mechanism for customizing installed packages (to automate clearing doc/man files) |
| 07:54.44 | EvilKid_6 | is that a good |
| 07:54.44 | Blackhold | bye |
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| 07:54.47 | mhall | Gnea: no way we'd get past the bureaucratic clusterfuck we'd need to nuke any allies in time |
| 07:54.48 | jaaro | maher: thx |
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| 07:54.52 | BriajWrk | hi all |
| 07:54.57 | Guerin | Alejo: i'm not. You might get away with it for a while, but it'll break eventually. |
| 07:55.10 | maher | jaaro: udebs are kind of like that, but maybe more stripped than you'd like |
| 07:55.15 | mwilson | jaaro: Why in the world would you want to remove documentation? |
| 07:55.19 | mjk64 | mhall: It took a while until one member of my host family (business friend of my father) asked me why I would often say "Yo." - Well, "Jo." in German is slang for "Ja" = Yes, and I thought that would be internationally understood. :-} |
| 07:55.29 | Guerin | jaaro: rebuild them all from debian source, with the documentation and so on excised. |
| 07:55.44 | peterS | jaaro: see the package 'localepurge' for an example of how to delete stuff methodically as it is installed |
| 07:55.45 | Gnea | mhall: that sort of attitude won't do germany or anyone else any good. |
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| 07:55.59 | mjk64 | mhall: Moving to North Germany could help, but many of those speak Plattdeutsch. :-) |
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| 07:56.12 | mhall | Gnea: no this is the perspective of a USian |
| 07:56.15 | mwilson | peterS: Isn't localepurge a better example of how to break something? |
| 07:56.16 | Gnea | mhall: in fact, in case you haven't been paying attention (and obviously you haven't), the states are already under attack - but not by man, but from mother nature, and mother nature is winning. |
| 07:56.33 | streuner | mjk64: hardly, most young people have no idea about... |
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| 07:56.42 | Gnea | mhall: you say 'USian' instead of 'American' as if you are ashamed... |
| 07:56.43 | peterS | mwilson: I've not broken anything with it so far, though I did remove it as I was interested in getting all language localizations on my system in case I needed to refer to them |
| 07:56.43 | Alejo | Guerin, well if it breaks i'll just install debian then :) |
| 07:56.46 | EvilKid_6 | where .. |
| 07:56.48 | mhall | Gnea: not so |
| 07:56.57 | Guerin | Alejo: heh |
| 07:56.57 | mhall | Gnea: just typed it that way to be goofy |
| 07:57.10 | mhall | Gnea: i'm proud of what my country once was, but not of what it is right now |
| 07:57.18 | Gnea | mhall: same here. |
| 07:57.20 | Guerin | USian is specific. American is general, even if USians want you to think it refers only to them. |
| 07:57.29 | mhall | Gnea: we took something beautiful and screwed it all up |
| 07:57.32 | peterS | Gnea: I once saw someone, I think here in #debian, who was quite confused about the term 'American' not applying to him. he was from south america, see, and thought he was an American too |
| 07:57.38 | mjk64 | streuner: That could change. Hey, there is Wikipedia and KDE in plattdeutsch! =) |
| 07:57.38 | Gnea | mhall: it's dissolved back to north vs. south |
| 07:57.41 | Guerin | peterS: fool! |
| 07:57.49 | jm_ | Guerin: just like they have World champions in events that only take place in USA |
| 07:57.52 | jaaro | mwilson: because distro I'm working on will never be used by regular user. |
| 07:57.53 | Gnea | peterS: oooh |
| 07:57.59 | Gnea | that makes sense then |
| 07:58.09 | Gnea | USian it is then |
| 07:58.10 | EvilKid_6 | anythign else i should noe |
| 07:58.13 | mhall | Gnea: i think it's more of a battle between corporate capitalism and free market capitalism |
| 07:58.15 | peterS | EvilKid_6: yeah. call it off. |
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| 07:58.22 | Gnea | mhall: that too |
| 07:58.23 | mhall | Gnea: American is rather a bad term |
| 07:58.31 | Alejo | peterS, you can cast a SouthAmerican instance to American |
| 07:58.37 | EvilKid_6 | peterS: are you an adult |
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| 07:58.52 | peterS | EvilKid_6: I guess you could say that |
| 07:58.52 | Gnea | mhall: yeah, but saying "You-Ession"? |
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| 07:58.54 | peterS | Alejo: right |
| 07:59.06 | peterS | USians vs. THEMians |
| 07:59.07 | mhall | Gnea: and we've let our politicians sell the soul of our country |
| 07:59.13 | streuner | mjk64: die meisten Lüüt snackt nich mehr plattdütsch |
| 07:59.14 | EvilKid_6 | peterS: If you were you know why I couldn't call it off. |
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| 07:59.25 | streuner | mjk64: im Norden |
| 07:59.31 | mhall | streuner: lol |
| 07:59.33 | Dewi | EvilKid_6: is it because you're an idiot? |
| 07:59.33 | Gandalf_the_Grey | You have a bot here |
| 07:59.33 | Gnea | mhall: bah, the soul of this country was stolen to begin with |
| 07:59.42 | peterS | Gandalf_the_Grey: yes |
| 07:59.49 | mhall | Gnea: no so much |
| 07:59.49 | EvilKid_6 | Dewi: You don't know obviously. |
| 07:59.49 | mjk64 | streuner: But history repeats. :-) |
| 07:59.52 | mhall | Gnea: not* |
| 07:59.53 | Gandalf_the_Grey | Isn't one of the ops |
| 07:59.56 | Gandalf_the_Grey | Going to kill it? |
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| 08:00.02 | Gnea | Gandalf_the_Grey: pardon? |
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| 08:00.03 | jaaro | maher: I've examined dpkg-repack and it's not the thing I'm looking for. I would like to remove some files from existing package without need to install it. I expect this should be possible. |
| 08:00.11 | Dewi | EvilKid_6: let's see. You've come into #debian to ask how to fight. *hash* *debian* |
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| 08:00.12 | peterS | Gandalf_the_Grey: we have several authorized bots. are you referring to a porn spambot? if so, tell us its name |
| 08:00.12 | Gnea | silly mirc user |
| 08:00.29 | Dewi | EvilKid_6: I mean you really are totally screwed |
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| 08:00.43 | EvilKid_6 | I just don't know who to ask |
| 08:00.43 | streuner | mjk64: sächt hee |
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| 08:00.52 | mhall | peterS: hostmask of Gandalf was n=Cmaster@unaffiliated/gandalfthegrey/x-000000001/bot/X4 |
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| 08:01.01 | Alejo | lalala 51% more and my system will be destroyed |
| 08:01.02 | mhall | peterS: wtf is that |
| 08:01.04 | EvilKid_6 | I just went to a channel with alot of people who could help me out. |
| 08:01.08 | peterS | mhall: I do not know |
| 08:01.12 | maher | jaalto: well you could dl the .deb source and delete stuff from there... |
| 08:01.23 | Dewi | EvilKid_6: if the geek capital of the world was the best you could think of, I don't think you're experienced enough to go for the fight. |
| 08:01.29 | peterS | /nick StreetFighter_6 |
| 08:01.33 | Gnea | EvilKid_6: you'd probably be better off asking on efnet or undernet |
| 08:01.46 | Gnea | Dewi: lol yeah |
| 08:01.49 | EvilKid_6 | whats geek captial |
| 08:01.58 | EvilKid_6 | what is #debian anyways |
| 08:01.59 | Gnea | EvilKid_6: this network |
| 08:02.02 | streuner | mjk64: und de versteit das auch nich |
| 08:02.06 | Dewi | EvilKid_6: there are 700 geeks in this room. As far as I am aware this is the world's highest geek density. |
| 08:02.08 | Gnea | !tell EvilKid_6 about debian |
| 08:02.16 | streuner | mjk64: moin moin |
| 08:02.22 | Gnea | EvilKid_6: a computer operating system distribution |
| 08:02.30 | Guerin | !3 reasons |
| 08:02.30 | dpkg | well, 3 reasons is "There are three reasons it is better to be British than American. One: They speak English Two: When they host the World Championships, they invite other countries Three: When you visit the head of state, you only have to go down on one knee..." |
| 08:02.32 | peterS | we have pastier and more pimply faces on the average than just about any crowd you'll ever see |
| 08:02.35 | peterS | is what he's saying |
| 08:02.42 | Guerin | jm_: ^^ |
| 08:02.45 | jm_ | Guerin: haha |
| 08:02.45 | EvilKid_6 | I don't everyone here is a geek thou. |
| 08:02.54 | streuner | mjk64: mein guter Klabautermann |
| 08:02.55 | Dewi | !thou |
| 08:03.01 | maher | EvilKid_6: everyone here is a geek, except possibly you |
| 08:03.01 | EvilKid_6 | though |
| 08:03.03 | Gnea | EvilKid_6: but you are wrong. |
| 08:03.06 | Dewi | hmm. dpkg needs a factoid for that. |
| 08:03.17 | Alejo | !3 reasons |
| 08:03.17 | dpkg | well, 3 reasons is "There are three reasons it is better to be British than American. One: They speak English Two: When they host the World Championships, they invite other countries Three: When you visit the head of state, you only have to go down on one knee..." |
| 08:03.25 | mhall | maher: yes; he's not a geek, he's just dead |
| 08:03.30 | mhall | !tell Alejo about bot abuse |
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| 08:03.48 | Alejo | !tell mhall sorry i didnt know it was always the same phrase! :( |
| 08:03.59 | maher | mhall: if he thinks this is a good place to ask for fighting advice he's unlikely to be smart enough to avoid his beating |
| 08:04.09 | jm_ | Alejo: the point is not you shouldn't use it, but use it via /msg |
| 08:04.25 | Alejo | sorry |
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| 08:04.34 | abeo | peterS: does it matter to what label i add that line? |
| 08:05.06 | peterS | abeo: if you don't understand inetd, you should probably read about it. 'man inetd.conf'. what do you mean, 'label'? |
| 08:05.08 | EvilKid_6 | I thought geeks are only people who know computers. |
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| 08:05.32 | mhall | EvilKid_6: how did you get into this in the first place |
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| 08:05.40 | EvilKid_6 | chanel list |
| 08:05.42 | maher | EvilKid_6: they also bite the heads off chickens in circuses |
| 08:05.45 | EvilKid_6 | i went to the biggest one |
| 08:05.49 | abeo | well there's mail,info,boot,bsd,internal etc ;) |
| 08:06.00 | Dewi | EvilKid_6: freenode? this whole network is geek central |
| 08:06.04 | peterS | EvilKid_6: why would you do that? that's just stupid |
| 08:06.13 | maher | EvilKid_6: #gentoo is bigger for a start.. |
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| 08:06.23 | Dewi | I guess there's probably non-geek communities on here too now |
| 08:06.30 | EdLin | EvilKid_6: /join #dead-meat |
| 08:06.33 | peterS | EvilKid_6: which is completely out of character for someone wise enough to pick a fight with someone without knowing how to fight |
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| 08:07.00 | Dewi | peterS: I wish I was that wise. |
| 08:07.30 | EvilKid_6 | <peterS> EvilKid_6: why would you do that? that's just stupid |
| 08:07.35 | EvilKid_6 | Do what? pick this chanel? |
| 08:07.46 | peterS | EvilKid_6: right, pick this channel |
| 08:07.58 | peterS | Dewi: from the fact that I'm still alive at the ripe old age of whatever I am, and show no signs of a broken nose or anything ... I guess I've never been wise enough to pick dumb fights either |
| 08:08.01 | Dewi | all of it. Picking a fight without knowing how to fight, choosing the geekiest channel on the geekiest ircnet, it's all stupid. |
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| 08:08.16 | EvilKid_6 | I never new it was a "geek" channel |
| 08:08.23 | jayr | hi people |
| 08:08.23 | EvilKid_6 | I thought debian was some kind of slang |
| 08:08.29 | Dewi | EvilKid_6: what will happen if you lose your rep? |
| 08:08.30 | mhall | EvilKid_6: no; how did you get into the fight in the first place |
| 08:08.35 | Nwallins | yo holmes, pass me a debian |
| 08:08.39 | EvilKid_6 | i lose face |
| 08:08.40 | peterS | EvilKid_6: why not go to a city council meeting and ask *them* how to fight? there are lots of people at those meetings too |
| 08:08.41 | Dewi | EvilKid_6: what did you think debian was slang for? |
| 08:08.43 | jayr | how can i create a boot disk in ubuntu |
| 08:08.48 | jayr | any one can help? |
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| 08:08.53 | peterS | EvilKid_6: and it would be just as on-topic as asking here |
| 08:08.54 | maher | oh no - lose face! how could you go on living! |
| 08:08.56 | liable | jayr: yes #ubuntu |
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| 08:09.02 | EdLin | !ubuntu |
| 08:09.03 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 08:09.24 | jayr | ok |
| 08:09.27 | jayr | thank |
| 08:09.30 | EvilKid_6 | huh |
| 08:09.36 | goodguy | Is #ubuntu gone? |
| 08:09.46 | jayr | nop |
| 08:09.47 | mhall | mhall's Law: The more successful a Debian derived distribution, the more harmful it is to Debian proper. |
| 08:09.58 | maher | mhall: your law is wrong |
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| 08:10.13 | mhall | maher: and not to be taken seriously either |
| 08:10.22 | Dewi | mhall: one could argue that debian is a debian-derived distribution |
| 08:10.28 | Nwallins | what's the harm? |
| 08:10.32 | maher | mhall: maybe you need another law about pedants on irc |
| 08:10.39 | peterS | ahh but what about DCCA? |
| 08:10.39 | mhall | maher: It's a ha ha only serious law. |
| 08:10.40 | mwilson | maher: You don't think it's true? I sure do. |
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| 08:10.52 | mhall | Dewi: No; one could not argue that. |
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| 08:11.08 | Dewi | mhall: one could and one would win. |
| 08:11.25 | mhall | Dewi: Not using the definitions I'm thinking of right now. |
| 08:11.26 | Dewi | see? |
| 08:11.26 | deeler | i need aic79xx scsi support during a netinst of debian, i've logged into a second console and did a modprobe aic79xx, the module loaded, but the installer can't find a scsi disk ! any ideas |
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| 08:11.39 | jayr | does anyone here know how can i change my os from linux to microsoft windows 98 |
| 08:11.42 | peterS | Dewi: 'derive' implies a non-identity transform |
| 08:11.53 | Dewi | mhall: to phrase it another way, why would the success of a derived distro be more harmful than the success of debian proper? |
| 08:11.57 | mwilson | jayr: <shrug> Install '98. This is supposed to be hard? |
| 08:11.57 | EvilKid_6 | Now I want to think of the consequences after the fight. |
| 08:11.58 | mhall | Dewi: No I don't see. Because your argument was 1) Assume Debian is derived from Debian. 2) ? 3) (1) is true. |
| 08:12.00 | peterS | jayr: it's easy, just shove a win98 install CD in the drive and go from there |
| 08:12.09 | maher | mwilson: i don't see how ubuntu harms debian - it helps in so far as it pays people who contribute to debian - ubuntu will probably be utterly forgotten when debian is celebrating its 20th birthday... |
| 08:12.15 | EvilKid_6 | If to say my nose was broken after fight could I still be able to breath through it |
| 08:12.21 | tarzeau | mhall: can you name the ones causing harm? |
| 08:12.26 | peterS | jayr: you may have some problems with the partition table as win98 might not know what to make of the linux partitions. in that case boot up in "DOS mode with CDROM drive available" or whatever, and run 'fdisk' |
| 08:12.27 | Dewi | peterS: debian changes all the time. Debian is based on an older version... of debian. So it is a non-identity transform. |
| 08:12.39 | mwilson | maher: You don't think Crappix harms Debian? |
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| 08:12.42 | Nwallins | EvilKid_6: depends on the break. |
| 08:12.49 | jayr | yah that my problem |
| 08:12.49 | mhall | tarzeau: Well, it seems to me like the derived distributions impart a load on the main project. |
| 08:12.49 | EvilKid_6 | oh. |
| 08:12.50 | Dewi | EvilKid_6: if you get punched in the head, you could die. |
| 08:12.54 | jayr | about the partition |
| 08:13.02 | maher | mwilson: no - its a useful boot disk in certain situations... |
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| 08:13.18 | peterS | jayr: the other thing to do is call Microsoft and ask them to help you. we're not really in the business of helping people install Windows 98 |
| 08:13.21 | EvilKid_6 | he has to be pretty strong to kill someone thou |
| 08:13.22 | Dewi | EvilKid_6: if you go down and the guy keeps hitting you... you could die. |
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| 08:13.29 | mhall | tarzeau: Both in terms of support, and bad publicity when things go wrong. |
| 08:13.31 | Dewi | EvilKid_6: no, you just have to hit the right spot. |
| 08:13.32 | abeo | peterS: my ident aint working now =/ |
| 08:13.42 | EvilKid_6 | the tempel |
| 08:14.09 | mhall | EvilKid_6: or the throat |
| 08:14.11 | jayr | my problem is i cant remove the linux boot loader |
| 08:14.12 | peterS | abeo: shrug. maybe the remote end insists that you wait until it has sent the data. so a small shell script involving a 'read' and then an 'echo' might be in order |
| 08:14.15 | maher | mhall: people turning up here asking about derivatives isn't really much load on the project... |
| 08:14.22 | mhall | EvilKid_6: i got a soft hit to the windpipe once and nearly died |
| 08:14.26 | Dewi | mhall: why does an influx of ubunutu users impart more load than an influx of new debian users? |
| 08:14.29 | peterS | jayr: the win98 installer will do that for you after it has done the rest |
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| 08:14.31 | mwilson | mhall: Every time someone whines about how poor Debian is, because Knopper told him that Knoppix was Debian, and therefore he could use Debian packages at random... Debian suffers. |
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| 08:14.39 | peterS | jayr: but if it fails, run 'fdisk /mbr' from the C:\> prompt |
| 08:14.40 | Dewi | EvilKid_6: there's lots of places. |
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| 08:14.44 | EvilKid_6 | mhall: Someone hit you? |
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| 08:14.48 | peterS | jayr: that's kind of undocumented, but very well known |
| 08:14.58 | mhall | mwilson: yes; i agree |
| 08:14.59 | EvilKid_6 | EvilKid_6: You would't feel much when your fighting. |
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| 08:15.08 | EvilKid_6 | Adrienaline ? |
| 08:15.20 | mhall | mwilson: the amount of discredit we receive from derivations seems higher than the good PR |
| 08:15.21 | EvilKid_6 | Only way to feel is when you get knocked out. |
| 08:15.23 | EvilKid_6 | I gues. |
| 08:15.25 | peterS | jayr: also, you should be asking Microsoft tech support these questions |
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| 08:15.31 | mhall | mwilson: i can't quantify this, it's just a feeling i get |
| 08:15.32 | maher | mwilson: people fail to compile stuff from source and say "linux sucks!" this doesn't really affect kernel development... |
| 08:15.40 | peterS | jayr: don't they offer free support for 30 days after you buy win98, or something like that? |
| 08:15.41 | coreid | hola!, I am wondering ifit is possible to build debian packages for a ppc target on a x86 system, any thoughts? |
| 08:15.45 | Dewi | mhall: what about back-ports of code from ubuntu to debian? that's another benefit |
| 08:15.45 | EdLin | EvilKid_6: call off the fight, a couple of weeks from now nobody will remember that you avoided the fight. |
| 08:16.01 | Dewi | peterS: no. |
| 08:16.02 | maher | coreid: in theory you can cross compile |
| 08:16.03 | mwilson | maher: Ok, I've read that three times, and each time failed to see how it was relevant, or even coherent. |
| 08:16.14 | Dewi | peterS: MS support is like... you get one or two free calls |
| 08:16.17 | EvilKid_6 | <EdLin> Not if there person brags about it a million times |
| 08:16.24 | EvilKid_6 | the* |
| 08:16.25 | peterS | could we all STOP TALKING ABOUT EVILKID_6'S PROBLEMS now? it's been like an hour and he's contributed nothing of value to this channel |
| 08:16.27 | coreid | maher: how to do that, any links? |
| 08:16.28 | Dewi | peterS: and it can only be for certain issues I think |
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| 08:16.49 | maher | mwilson: misinformed people blaming the wrong thing for their troubles don't necessarily cause problems for the thing they blame |
| 08:16.53 | peterS | thanks, bob2 |
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| 08:17.25 | peterS | EvilKid_6: what do you have to contribute to the channel about debian? |
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| 08:17.37 | EvilKid_6 | give me a minute. |
| 08:17.42 | Dewi | good answer. |
| 08:17.43 | EvilKid_6 | I have to loook up debian |
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| 08:17.51 | bob2 | EvilKid_6: please just go away |
| 08:17.56 | fireba11 | argh |
| 08:18.10 | fireba11 | !smite EvilKid_6 |
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| 08:18.29 | Dewi | peterS / bob2 : sorry for feeding him. |
| 08:18.48 | mhall | fireba11: ironically when it comes to fights lawyers might be good for him |
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| 08:19.27 | fireba11 | mhall: hm-hm ... smite is a random thing so i couldn't know that one would come up |
| 08:19.44 | Gnea | EvilKid_6: do us and yourself a favor: type /server irc.efnet.net |
| 08:20.12 | mhall | RinzeWind: yes |
| 08:20.23 | peterS | penixstrike at least had personality |
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| 08:20.31 | peterS | the smites are, by and large, just boring |
| 08:20.49 | mhall | peterS: what pray tell is your definition of personality |
| 08:20.56 | mhall | peterS: i could code some dead baby smites |
| 08:21.19 | peterS | mhall: as dumb as dead baby jokes are, they'd still be funnier than most of what passes for bot commands nowadays |
| 08:21.32 | mhall | * dpkg gargles some baby guts and spits them all over peterS's shirt. |
| 08:21.45 | peterS | well, not *that*, perhaps. I thought you meant actual dead baby jokes |
| 08:21.59 | mhall | peterS: i was thinking of revising them into smites |
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| 08:22.23 | Dewi | mhall: until one minute ago I never thought dpkg could be more sexy than it is now. |
| 08:22.25 | mhall | peterS: you said that they lacked originality so i was thinking of a way to improve the entropy pool |
| 08:22.30 | mhall | Dewi: ? |
| 08:22.59 | Gnea | EvilKid_6: y'know, with your level of disrespect, i can see why you got into this fight. |
| 08:23.03 | Dewi | mhall: well, now I know dpkg can be improved |
| 08:23.36 | peterS | mhall: well, both humor and originality are like porn, I know it when I see it. humor that relies on either a gross-out factor or the utter improbability of a bot being able to accomplish something are not my idea of original or funny |
| 08:23.53 | zamolxes | i wrote a small kernel module, and i can't seem to compile it if I use a debian-kernel-image. I know i'm doing something wrong, but I don't know what that is. Make just exits without compiling anything, with no errors. With a 'no debian style' compiled kernel, i am able to compile my module. thanks |
| 08:24.13 | peterS | Gnea: bob2 already warned EvilKid_6 to go away. stop feeding him please. |
| 08:24.29 | liable | dont suppose anyone knows how to get mplayer to play *and* dump a stream at the same time? |
| 08:24.56 | dondelelcaro | liable: run two mplayer instances? |
| 08:25.04 | xuniluser | Is this a correct syntax to mount smb shared folders: "mount smb://192.168.0.1/Repository/MP3 /mnt/Repository/" ? |
| 08:25.11 | Gnea | peterS: i don't think that's possible, he's probably throwing up |
| 08:25.21 | Ether_Man | liable: You might want to ask the mplayer channel that as mplayer isnt even in the debian packages.. but use one instance to dump the stream and then another to play the dump.. |
| 08:25.24 | liable | dondelelcaro: the playing always catches up to the stream and i get an end of file. |
| 08:25.29 | peterS | xuniluser: no, //192.168.0.1/Repository is the usual format |
| 08:25.47 | xuniluser | peterS: can i mount it? |
| 08:25.52 | bob2 | liable: does combining -ao and -streamdump work? |
| 08:25.58 | xuniluser | peterS: it says wrong fs |
| 08:25.58 | liable | Ether_Man: yes, i have, not much joy there, thought i'd try my luck here. |
| 08:26.01 | bob2 | I'm sure I've listened to dnbradio while dumping it |
| 08:26.13 | peterS | xuniluser: if you have the 'smbmount' package installed. you may need to use '-t smbfs' |
| 08:26.14 | Dewi | xuniluser: -t smbfs ? |
| 08:26.17 | EvilKid_6 | I know now it was wrong. Sorry, I shouldn't be asking you guys for help with my problems. I'll just find something to contribute to your channel. |
| 08:26.17 | liable | bob2: i'll give it a go, cheers. |
| 08:26.20 | Ether_Man | liable: Then you wait.. mplayer cant be made to pause at the end of a file or stream.. if the cache goes out it stops.. |
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| 08:26.31 | peterS | xuniluser: also I'm not sure whether smbmount correctly deals with IP numbers in the service name |
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| 08:26.46 | peterS | xuniluser: there are some kind of complicated reasons it might not |
| 08:26.53 | Dewi | peterS: hmm |
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| 08:27.14 | Dewi | peterS: I thought debian couldn't cope with netbios names? |
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| 08:27.21 | Dewi | peterS: that's what I got told the last 2 times I asked in here |
| 08:27.22 | bob2 | I've yet to get mounting-as-cifs to work |
| 08:27.26 | bob2 | tho apparently it should work fine |
| 08:27.32 | Dewi | peterS: so IP numbers are usually the only option unless you set up a DNS |
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| 08:27.34 | bob2 | and hopefully be more stable |
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| 08:27.44 | peterS | Dewi: what?!? smbmount certainly ought to connect to a netbios name |
| 08:27.59 | xuniluser | peterS: ok... it seems i down't have smbmount installed |
| 08:27.59 | Dewi | peterS: oh, I guess it probably resolves differently. |
| 08:28.03 | Dewi | peterS: good point |
| 08:28.06 | Gnea | Kidd: a wise decision. :) |
| 08:28.16 | xuniluser | peterS: thanks |
| 08:28.20 | peterS | Dewi: yeah, it resolves using netbios. that's what netbios *is*, a sort of conglomeration of TCP and DNS. |
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| 08:28.57 | Dewi | peterS: but I can't for instance "ping winmachine" |
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| 08:29.04 | peterS | Kidd: a case of beer would be about right |
| 08:29.11 | deadcat | anyone read the new york times? how are they diff from local newspapers? |
| 08:29.12 | peterS | Dewi: right, ping doesn't use netbios |
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| 08:29.25 | Ether_Man | Dewi: Because ping doesnt use netbios name resolving.. |
| 08:29.26 | mhall | peterS: That last sentence was much too good in grammar and format. |
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| 08:29.35 | mhall | peterS: The entire skit must have been a troll. |
| 08:29.46 | peterS | true. |
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| 08:30.20 | Dewi | peterS / Ether_Man : can netbios be added to the system default resolution procedure? |
| 08:30.27 | bob2 | there's a NSS netbios module, iirc |
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| 08:30.51 | nomed | hi all |
| 08:30.59 | bob2 | tho I can't seem to find it |
| 08:31.06 | bob2 | does windows do mdns yet? |
| 08:31.12 | mcr | I have a question regarding installing nVidia drivers. I'm new to all this, but I downloaded and installed the source tree, etc... and it seems to install ok |
| 08:31.13 | Ether_Man | There's always WINS though :/ |
| 08:31.17 | peterS | Dewi: quite possibly if you install 'winbind' and add 'winbind' to the 'hosts' line of /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 08:31.23 | peterS | bob2: probably just winbind |
| 08:31.49 | peterS | Ether_Man: WINS is nothing but an extension of netbios. anything that'll talk netbios will talk WINS |
| 08:32.21 | liable | Ether_Man: but why does playing the dump catch up to the stream? thats what i dont understand... |
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| 08:32.24 | mcr | problem is that I cannot edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf because it doesnt' exist |
| 08:32.27 | peterS | Ether_Man: in fact WINS is a confusing term. it means both "netbios" and "netbios name server" |
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| 08:32.51 | mcr | I tried to generate one by using the command X -configure, but it doesnt' seem to work |
| 08:32.55 | Ether_Man | peterS: Yes.. But easier to get debian to read from a wins than netbios directly.. Atleast it was easier when I tried it a year or so ago ^_^ |
| 08:32.58 | mcr | sorry if I'm spamming this channel |
| 08:33.11 | mhall | mcr: what version of debian are you running |
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| 08:33.28 | jm_ | mcr: !drxx mcr |
| 08:33.31 | jm_ | gah |
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| 08:33.36 | peterS | Ether_Man: what do you mean "from a wins"? that doesn't make much sense. do you mean a local netbios name server, or *any* netbios name server? |
| 08:33.37 | jm_ | !drxx mcr |
| 08:33.38 | dpkg | mcr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:33.51 | abeo | ffs my ident is totally broken now =( |
| 08:33.53 | dondelelcaro | mcr: /msg dpkg xmd5; since you don't have one |
| 08:34.07 | peterS | abeo: then just install nullidentd and forget it |
| 08:34.34 | liable | can anyone explain that to me? wtf does playing an mplayer dump, catch up to the actuall dump process.. i dont understand how that can happen.. |
| 08:34.35 | Ether_Man | peterS: From wins server somewhere in the network.. Pref the one all the other comps in the current network are using.. |
| 08:34.48 | abeo | well i maeby because there's beginner trying to do something on linux ;) |
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| 08:35.05 | Dewi | liable: are you waiting long enough? |
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| 08:35.15 | peterS | Ether_Man: I know why pointing everyone to a wins server is better, I just don't see how it's *easier* |
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| 08:35.31 | Dewi | liable: mplayer will fetch in blocks, I mean things don't flow 1 byte at a time |
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| 08:36.00 | liable | Dewi: two cache dumps, but it still catches up. why, when the bitrate is the same? |
| 08:36.04 | wookienzn1 | hi, how do i set my debian box eth0 to look at a specific nameserver with a static ip? |
| 08:36.14 | Ether_Man | peterS: I dont know.. Perhaps I just didnt find the correct tools or something when I tries.. I just found it easier when I did it.. But that was also like over a year ago.. |
| 08:36.35 | nomed | i have a question about debconf and its db, first of all do you know a good docs ?.. man 7 debconf it's ok .. but i can't find what i need |
| 08:36.37 | mhall | wookiennz: you want /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:36.38 | bob2 | wookienz: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 08:36.46 | mhall | wookienz: man resolv.conf and man interfaces |
| 08:36.57 | Ether_Man | liable: If the dumpprocess is going slower than the speed you are playing it ofc it will catch up.. |
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| 08:37.44 | nomed | i can use debconf-set-selections to set my conf in the db ... |
| 08:37.45 | Dewi | liable: or if you don't want long enough. There's overheads. |
| 08:37.51 | Dewi | s/want/wait/ |
| 08:38.03 | liable | Ether_Man: i must be stupid, because i dont understand how it can dump at a certain bitrate, and then play it at the same bitrate, and catch up. |
| 08:38.03 | nomed | echo locales locales/default_environment_locale select $LANG | debconf-set-selections |
| 08:38.30 | nomed | and debconf-show locales .. shows the var i used .. |
| 08:38.32 | Dewi | liable: players don't use a bitrate, they are driven by frames per second |
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| 08:38.44 | liable | Dewi: this audio only |
| 08:38.54 | liable | this is.. |
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| 08:39.01 | Dewi | liable: still probably going to be driven by samples and frames per second |
| 08:39.09 | Ether_Man | liable: with 99% certainty.. it doesnt dump at a certain bitrate.. it dumps at the speed it can dump it.. Which is limited by your connection, the connection of the one streaming and a few other factors.. |
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| 08:39.45 | Dewi | liable: lots of audio streams are variable bitrate |
| 08:39.45 | nomed | the problem is that when i use DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive dpkg-reconfigure locales .. it doesn't use that var ... how can i fix this? what is the db that dpkg-reconfigure use for def values? |
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| 08:40.08 | dondelelcaro | nomed: eh? |
| 08:40.13 | liable | Ether_Man: ok, i got 1.5mb/s, the stream is 128k, thats gotta be ok? it just doesnt seem logical to me. |
| 08:40.25 | dondelelcaro | nomed: running dpkg-reconfigure with the frontend set to noninteractive is kind of pointless. |
| 08:40.25 | Dewi | liable: if you're talking about an *average* bitrate instead of a *constant* bitrate, then this is another situation where it will at times have an opportunity to run out |
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| 08:40.32 | nkuttler | nomed: what does the man page say? |
| 08:40.38 | nomed | dondelelcaro, think u dpkg-reconfigure locales an set the value to us |
| 08:40.40 | Dewi | liable: is this stream coming from the internet? |
| 08:40.46 | liable | Dewi: yes |
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| 08:40.51 | Ether_Man | liable: Also depends of the connection of the one serving it.. and if you or he/she is using the connection for other things.. |
| 08:40.58 | dondelelcaro | nomed: I have no clue what you just said. |
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| 08:41.02 | Dewi | liable: almost nothing on the internet is 1.5mb/s. Be reasonable. |
| 08:41.11 | nomed | than echo locales locales/default_environment_locale select it | debconf-set-selections |
| 08:41.18 | isam | I see /etc/apache2/mods-available/auth_msfix.load .. but it seems that /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_auth_msfix.so which it points to is unavailable.. hwo did that happen, and how can I get that msfix auth_mod ? |
| 08:41.19 | mcr | mhall: I'm running whatever the most recent version is. I believe it's sarge. I just downloaded it today |
| 08:41.25 | liable | Dewi: thats *my* connection, the stream is 128k |
| 08:41.28 | nomed | debconf-show locales show that the def value is sets to it |
| 08:41.30 | mcr | mhall: sorry about the long delay |
| 08:41.30 | dondelelcaro | nomed: if you want to reconfigure your locale; run dpkg-reconfigure locales. Using noninteractive with dpkg-reconfigure is a no-op. |
| 08:41.36 | isam | does anyone here have an idea about this ? |
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| 08:41.40 | mhall | mcr: right, sarge did not ship with X.org |
| 08:41.46 | Dewi | liable: the server and every router along the way can slow down the transmission if they are busy |
| 08:41.55 | dondelelcaro | nomed: yes, but that's generally just the locales that are built. |
| 08:42.00 | grozniy | hi all, do you know where i can get w32codecs deb's ? |
| 08:42.01 | mhall | mcr: the Great Change (TM) from XF86 to X.org happened just before time to ship |
| 08:42.06 | wookienz | bob2: i get this error after adding to resolv.conf.....wookie-debbox:/etc/network# ping www.google.co.nz |
| 08:42.07 | wookienz | PING www.l.google.com (64.233.187.104): 56 data bytes |
| 08:42.07 | wookienz | ping: sendto: Network is unreachable |
| 08:42.07 | wookienz | ping: wrote www.l.google.com 64 chars, ret=-1 |
| 08:42.07 | Ether_Man | liable: 128k is only the stream itself.. you have no idea on the actual throughput.. |
| 08:42.18 | mhall | mcr: And Debian decided it was not appropriate to upset the apple cart just yet. |
| 08:42.45 | mhall | wookienz: route add default gw <address of router> |
| 08:42.49 | bob2 | wookienz: that's not a problem with DNS |
| 08:43.05 | nomed | dondelelcaro, do you know if there is a way to use a noninteractive mode and use the var you set with debconf-set-selection ? |
| 08:43.11 | mhall | wookienz: make sure to have a default route in /etc/network/interfaces config lines for eth0 |
| 08:43.15 | dondelelcaro | nomed: that will just be the default |
| 08:43.28 | wookienz | oh ok.. yeah no route in there...added...thanks |
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| 08:43.38 | wookienz | mhall: will do thanks |
| 08:43.41 | Dewi | liable: does it work without skipping if you just play directly without a dump? |
| 08:43.45 | mhall | wookienz: add to interfaces file or it breaks on reboot, ok |
| 08:43.47 | dondelelcaro | nomed: you can probably just dpkg-reconfigure -u foopkg; |
| 08:43.54 | liable | this is just not logical to me. if i can play the damn thing, why cant i dump it, wait two minutes, play the dump, and have the dump always two minutes ahead? |
| 08:44.05 | mhall | liable: dump what |
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| 08:44.08 | liable | Dewi: yes |
| 08:44.16 | liable | mhall: audio stream |
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| 08:44.26 | mhall | liable: how are you getting to this stream |
| 08:44.29 | Dewi | liable: what kind of stream? |
| 08:44.33 | liable | mhall: mplayer |
| 08:44.43 | mhall | liable: what are you trying to do with it |
| 08:44.49 | nomed | dondelelcaro, and of is it use config.dat db by dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 08:44.54 | liable | Dewi: http://di.fm/mp3/classictechno128k.pls |
| 08:45.01 | wookienz | mhall: yup will do... will MAN it for the format |
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| 08:45.14 | liable | mhall: all i want to do, is listen to a stream, and dump it at the same time.. |
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| 08:45.26 | nomed | dondelelcaro, it would be nice if dpkg-reconfigure uses as default the values stored in config.dat file .. |
| 08:45.51 | Dewi | liable: does it start to play when you play the dump? |
| 08:45.58 | nomed | i can't figure out where are the values used by dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 08:46.07 | peterS | nomed: /var/cache/debconf/ |
| 08:46.13 | daxxar | If I use make -C in my Makefiles, how can I make it so I won't have to specify CFLAGS= in each Makefile? |
| 08:46.39 | peterS | nomed: and, depending on the package involved, configuration is also read back in from wherever the program's own configuration lives |
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| 08:46.54 | peterS | daxxar: export CFLAGS |
| 08:47.01 | liable | Dewi: yes |
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| 08:47.21 | dondelelcaro | nomed: the whole point of dpkg-reconfigure is to reconfigure the package; so no, that wouldn't make sense. The -u option to dpkg-reconfigure is probably the flag that you want. |
| 08:47.21 | Dewi | liable: maybe the media player you are using is reading the file size when it starts playing, and is stopping reading when it hits that byte offset |
| 08:47.30 | daxxar | peterS, where? In the target(s)? |
| 08:47.43 | nomed | dondelelcaro, ok .. let's try thanks |
| 08:47.45 | Jooon | anyone know what to do if a disk has crashed so that you can't even mount it. any options to recover? play with dd if=/dev/hda ... and try to mess with that somehow? |
| 08:47.54 | peterS | daxxar: use the 'export' keyword anywhere in your makefile |
| 08:47.54 | Ether_Man | Dewi: mplayer doesnt do that.. |
| 08:47.57 | jm_ | what does mount say? |
| 08:48.08 | peterS | daxxar: either 'export CFLAGS' by itself, or combine it with a definition: 'export CFLAGS := -O2' |
| 08:48.23 | mcr | mhall: this may be a pretty dumb question, but I guess in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, I would change Driver from 'vga' to 'nvidia', but what would I change my 'Identifier' to? or does it even matter? |
| 08:48.34 | liable | Dewi: it always seems to catch up.. |
| 08:48.34 | dondelelcaro | nomed: the set stuff is really for the cases where you've set the value before actually installing/configuring the package, not attempting to reconfigure it. |
| 08:48.41 | mhall | mcr: the identifier strings are just decorative |
| 08:48.42 | peterS | daxxar: alternatively you can do $(MAKE) -C my_subdir CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" some_target |
| 08:48.43 | mcr | mhall: by the way, this is under the section 'device' |
| 08:48.48 | mhall | mcr: right |
| 08:48.50 | Dewi | liable: does it catch up to a later point each time? |
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| 08:49.12 | mhall | mcr: just changing to driver nvidia should be sufficient if you have the nvidia guts installed and ready to go |
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| 08:49.29 | cat | cool |
| 08:49.39 | Jooon | jm_: I am doing second hand support, but my friend says the entire machine hangs when he issues the mount command on a partition on that disk |
| 08:49.39 | mcr | mhall: thanks a lot for all the help. It's 2am where I live, and my brain isn't working like it should :) |
| 08:49.49 | Dewi | well, better get back to work. catch you guys. |
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| 08:50.01 | Dewi | liable: sorry I couldn't be of more help. I haven't tried what you're doing. |
| 08:50.09 | liable | Dewi: thanks anyways :) |
| 08:50.55 | dacer | hi, I have a package in m y system I can not uninstall, and can not install or remove anything before uninstalling it, how can I remove it? |
| 08:51.08 | cat | dacer: rm packaged directory |
| 08:51.23 | dacer | How I do it? |
| 08:51.28 | cat | with terminal |
| 08:51.31 | liable | cat: no |
| 08:51.33 | cat | what directory is it? |
| 08:51.37 | Jackel | dacer: rm -r <directory> ? :p |
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| 08:51.50 | dacer | where are this directory? |
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| 08:52.15 | dacer | is "mozilla-firefox-locale-es-es" package |
| 08:52.16 | jm_ | Jooon: check /proc/partitions to start with, then also try using debugfs if it's ext2/3 |
| 08:52.59 | nomed | dondelelcaro, dpkg-reconfigure -u is not what i need :/ |
| 08:53.01 | mhall | Can anybody else access openoffice.org? It's down for me! |
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| 08:53.19 | Jooon | jm_: ok, thanks. will try that |
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| 08:53.52 | dacer | Jackel: I kwow to remove directories, but I don't know where are packages directories |
| 08:54.01 | liable | can anyone explain to me why my logic seems flawed with this streaming, dumping, playing thing? |
| 08:54.08 | dondelelcaro | nomed: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 08:54.13 | grozniy | can anybody help me find w32codecs packages ? |
| 08:54.14 | nomed | dondelelcaro, i need to reconfigure pkge in non-interactive mode using ansfers i want |
| 08:54.24 | liable | !tell grozniy about marillat |
| 08:54.28 | dondelelcaro | nomed: no, what is your desired outcome? |
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| 08:55.05 | nomed | automatically reconfigure locales and xserver-xorg with $LANG var reading it from cmdline |
| 08:55.14 | Jackel | dacer: try usr/bin/ |
| 08:55.28 | mhall | Can anybody else access openoffice.org? It's down for me! |
| 08:55.31 | dacer | cat, where are packages directory? |
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| 08:56.00 | cat | dacer: depends the error, that it gives you apt-get -f install |
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| 08:56.04 | daxxar | peterS, thanks a lot. (= |
| 08:56.09 | nomed | dondelelcaro, for seure i can use locale-gen and sed to change the lang in xorg.conf but it would be perfect if i can do that with debconf |
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| 08:56.11 | liable | dacer: if apt is puking on it, prolly your best bet, is to remove the offending package from dpkg's status file. |
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| 08:56.29 | dondelelcaro | nomed: just make sure lang is in /etc/locale.gen; if not add it and run locale-gen; then just set LANG properly. |
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| 08:56.43 | dondelelcaro | nomed: there's no point to changing the xorg.conf |
| 08:56.43 | nomed | yes .. |
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| 08:57.44 | peterS | KevinMitnick: you're not allowed on the internet, go away |
| 08:57.47 | nomed | dondelelcaro, so config.dat is used just by apt and not by dpkg-reconfgure .. "?" |
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| 08:58.01 | dondelelcaro | nomed: no, it's used by dpkg-reconfigure too, it just sets the current values. |
| 08:58.39 | mjk64 | mhall: openoffice.org is down for me, too. |
| 09:00.01 | liable | mjk64: did you try that dump command? |
| 09:00.07 | mjk64 | mhall: Wait ... openoffice.org is there - finally. |
| 09:00.29 | mjk64 | liable: Not yet - but have it securely logged :-) |
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| 09:01.18 | dondelelcaro | nomed: the whole purpose of dpkg-reconfigure is to change the values and rerun the config script for the package; that said, dpkg-reconfigure -f non-interactive foopkg may do what you want. |
| 09:01.27 | liable | mjk64: try it! i cant get the fucker to work, playing catches up to the dump.. :( |
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| 09:02.24 | mjk64 | liable: Oh shit ... hmm... have you tried starting the second mplayer with "-nocache"? |
| 09:02.36 | mjk64 | liable: And/or increase the sleep value. |
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| 09:03.50 | liable | mjk64: yeh, increased sleep, started a seperate process, waited, always catches up, i dont understand why. |
| 09:04.20 | mjk64 | liable: And the second MPlayer at the end of the pipe with "-nocache" didn't help? |
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| 09:05.24 | liable | mjk64: sec, havent tried that, just tried a dump at 56k and it still catches up, so its not a connection problem.. |
| 09:06.41 | liable | mjk64: nup, still eof :( |
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| 09:06.57 | mjk64 | liable: Hmf. |
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| 09:07.16 | foka | Hello! |
| 09:07.25 | jimmyli | anthony? |
| 09:07.33 | foka | Does everybody use esd with gnome? :-) |
| 09:07.38 | mjk64 | liable: Is the first MPlayer, at the start of the pipe, using any cache? It should, at least. |
| 09:07.52 | liable | mjk64: yeah only 1MB |
| 09:08.08 | liable | mjk64: tried increasing it, no joy |
| 09:08.18 | mjk64 | liable: Hm. Hm, hm. Hm. |
| 09:08.36 | cat | is this command right X -configure ? |
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| 09:09.01 | mrchicago_ | hello |
| 09:09.08 | mjk64 | liable: And everything definitely works fine when MPlayer plays the stream directly? Even with little cache and/or after a few minutes? |
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| 09:09.40 | liable | mjk64: yep runs for as long as i want, just when dumpig, the play always catches up to the dump. |
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| 09:11.31 | liable | i dont care if it doesnt work, i just dont *understand* how it can happen, if someone could explain that, i would be happy. |
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| 09:13.09 | mrchicago_ | how can i submit a couple of programs i wrote |
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| 09:13.26 | sep | mrchicago_, submit to whom ? |
| 09:13.45 | dondelelcaro | mrchicago_: put them up somewhere, and make them available; if people use them they'll eventually make their way into Debian |
| 09:13.49 | nomed^ | dondelelcaro, http://phpfi.com/79879 ... just tell me if there is a similar way to do that ? |
| 09:14.07 | mrchicago_ | heh |
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| 09:17.44 | dondelelcaro | nomed: http://channels.debian.net/paste/780 |
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| 09:20.27 | nomed | dondelelcaro, and if you "echo locales/locales_to_be_generated select en_US ISO-8859-1 | debconf-set-selections" and "dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive locales" it will regenrate all the locales .. true ? |
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| 09:27.25 | joshua32258 | Hello all |
| 09:27.32 | fireba11 | hi joshua32258 |
| 09:27.41 | joshua32258 | so what do i need to know about this broswer??? |
| 09:27.59 | joshua32258 | is this better than firefox?? |
| 09:28.34 | joshua32258 | hello??? |
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| 09:28.54 | joshua32258 | hello airox |
| 09:29.00 | airox | hi joshua32258 |
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| 09:29.15 | joshua32258 | so have you been an opera user for long??? |
| 09:29.30 | dimir | ?!?!?!??!??!??!?!??!??!?!??!?!?11111 |
| 09:29.33 | airox | i've got a little problem, make creates a LOT of errors, even with software I know it should compile OK. |
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| 09:29.38 | airox | joshua32258, i don't use opera |
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| 09:29.56 | joshua32258 | what so so are u in this char roopm?>?? |
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| 09:29.58 | joshua32258 | room* |
| 09:29.59 | airox | things like this: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of 'strcasecmp' differ in signedness |
| 09:30.10 | dawg | joshua32258, this chat room is not in any way related to opera |
| 09:30.16 | fireba11 | !typosmite joshua32258 |
| 09:30.18 | airox | hehe |
| 09:30.25 | airox | lol |
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| 09:30.43 | joshua32258 | o i see so how do u log on?? |
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| 09:30.51 | fireba11 | !u |
| 09:30.51 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:30.53 | airox | i'm using GNU Make 3.80 |
| 09:30.58 | dawg | joshua32258, using IRC clients |
| 09:31.08 | airox | !slap joshua32258 |
| 09:31.18 | airox | HA! |
| 09:31.19 | fireba11 | also, you are not making any sense joshua32258 |
| 09:31.25 | joshua32258 | ass hole o.k. i am just asking some questions |
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| 09:31.50 | joshua32258 | i came across this browser and i am trying mto get feed back |
| 09:31.52 | dimir | airox: it's probably a compiler, which is complaining, or are you saying it should compile no the same host. |
| 09:31.55 | dimir | ? |
| 09:32.14 | Guerin | joshua32258: opera is shit, don't use it. |
| 09:32.17 | airox | haha Guerin |
| 09:32.20 | Guerin | there, now you have an opinion. |
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| 09:32.25 | fireba11 | joshua32258: what browser are you taling about ? and why are you in #debian ? |
| 09:32.27 | joshua32258 | thank you that is what i am geeting right now |
| 09:32.55 | airox | dimir, it should compile on the same host. |
| 09:32.55 | joshua32258 | opera and why can't i be in debian?? |
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| 09:33.06 | airox | but as i recall i didn't do any voodoo with a compiler |
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| 09:33.31 | airox | gcc -v presents me with gcc version 4.0.1 (Debian 4.0.1-2) |
| 09:33.36 | joshua32258 | what browser would you recomened??? |
| 09:33.39 | dimir | airox: so what kind of messages are these? Can you show them? |
| 09:33.44 | Guerin | joshua32258: do you use debian? are you interested in using it? |
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| 09:33.56 | Guerin | joshua32258: i recommend mozilla firefox as the best of a bad bunch. |
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| 09:34.01 | joshua32258 | what is debian??? |
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| 09:34.18 | zxsykco | !debian |
| 09:34.18 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 09:34.20 | dimir | OMG |
| 09:34.27 | joshua32258 | i have that and i don't like how everthing i download goes to the desk top |
| 09:34.49 | Guerin | joshua32258: so change it. Control your computer, don't let it control you. |
| 09:34.50 | fireba11 | joshua32258: then configure it to do somethign else already ^^ |
| 09:35.03 | dimir | damn it. |
| 09:35.08 | Guerin | airox: you can choose any compiler you have installed. 4.01 is just the default. |
| 09:35.13 | dimir | airox: did you upgrade gcc recently? |
| 09:35.22 | airox | dimir, http://channels.debian.net/paste/781 |
| 09:35.30 | Guerin | airox: many things still won't compile with gcc4 |
| 09:35.37 | joshua32258 | what is wrong with windows??? |
| 09:35.39 | airox | dimir, i didn't do it manually... i did upgrade to testing .. |
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| 09:36.17 | Dewi | joshua32258: you can change the "Download to desktop" thing. It's a setting. |
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| 09:36.18 | Guerin | joshua32258: that question is too broad to answer in this medium. |
| 09:36.33 | airox | So I should use gcc-3.3 or something ? |
| 09:36.41 | zxsykco | Windows is SO yesterday! |
| 09:36.42 | joshua32258 | why use a linex based program?? |
| 09:36.45 | Guerin | joshua32258: briefly: it's proprietary, it's insecure, it's limiting |
| 09:37.01 | dimir | airox: what you have in 'ls /usr/bin/gcc*' ? |
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| 09:37.07 | airox | joshua32258, it depends on which situation you want to use the OS. |
| 09:37.12 | Guerin | joshua32258: gnu/linux is free, secure and you can pretty much do what you like with it |
| 09:37.21 | joshua32258 | likw ehat'>???? |
| 09:37.26 | joshua32258 | like what** |
| 09:37.34 | airox | gcc-3.3, gcc-4.0 |
| 09:37.38 | joshua32258 | mind moving to fast |
| 09:37.39 | joshua32258 | lol |
| 09:37.41 | airox | and some symlinks |
| 09:37.42 | Dewi | joshua32258: just about everything but play games |
| 09:37.50 | Dewi | (most) games |
| 09:37.50 | airox | and gcc-bug-3.3 and gccbug-4.0 |
| 09:37.52 | dimir | airox: try 'CC=gcc-3.3 make' instead of 'make' |
| 09:38.04 | airox | dimir, let me try that |
| 09:38.04 | joshua32258 | what is a good web site to reacher it>??? |
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| 09:38.23 | Guerin | joshua32258: like I can take a program, say - mplayer, the videoplayer. I can change all instances of "video" to "badger" in the source code, build it, and then it'd be a badger player. |
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| 09:38.26 | Dewi | joshua32258: you've been told already. Go away. |
| 09:38.28 | Guerin | joshua32258: sweet huh? |
| 09:38.51 | Dewi | Guerin: that's awesome. |
| 09:39.01 | Dewi | Guerin: is there a debian apt repo for that? |
| 09:39.02 | joshua32258 | how much time is all of that |
| 09:39.02 | zxsykco | Bagders!? |
| 09:39.07 | zxsykco | I love badgers! |
| 09:39.14 | Dewi | Guerin: I want precompiled badger packages |
| 09:39.24 | airox | kids. ;) |
| 09:39.42 | Guerin | Dewi: sorry, you have to learn how to download source, use sed, and build it all by yourself :) |
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| 09:40.00 | Guerin | joshua32258: depends. From minutes to hours depending on how good you are. |
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| 09:40.05 | Dewi | Guerin: debian sucks for this reason |
| 09:40.11 | joshua32258 | days what?? |
| 09:40.19 | Guerin | Dewi: eh? |
| 09:40.20 | Dewi | Guerin: I knew there was a reason gentoo was superior. You could do the whole badger thing with one perl script in gentoo. |
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| 09:40.44 | joshua32258 | whare are u all from?? |
| 09:40.47 | Guerin | Dewi: oh, I can write a SHELL script to do it all in one go, i just haven't bothered. Yet. |
| 09:40.54 | zxsykco | Everywhere!!!! |
| 09:40.59 | airox | dimir, it gives a whole less errors ;) |
| 09:41.00 | joshua32258 | thanks |
| 09:41.05 | Guerin | joshua32258: Planet Earth, Sol System, The Milky Way |
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| 09:41.07 | Dewi | Guerin: hey wait, there are source debs aren't there? |
| 09:41.09 | Dewi | Guerin: that'd work |
| 09:41.14 | Guerin | Dewi: OMGLOL |
| 09:41.21 | dimir | airox: but still, won't compile? |
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| 09:41.22 | airox | dimir, export CC=gcc-3.3 didn't work so I removed the symlink and put it to gcc-3.3 for a few moments |
| 09:41.26 | Dewi | Guerin: lolX |
| 09:41.31 | joshua32258 | the states the uk downounder?? |
| 09:41.35 | bas | msg apt help samba |
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| 09:41.39 | airox | dimir, iplog_options.c:443:19: missing terminating " character |
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| 09:41.47 | airox | i guess it's a reall error |
| 09:41.50 | zxsykco | I'm near chicago, Happy Guy! |
| 09:42.13 | dimir | airox: check the Makefile for possible other CC* variables. |
| 09:42.13 | joshua32258 | brb as if you all care |
| 09:42.16 | Dewi | joshua32258: "downounder". I hate you. |
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| 09:44.15 | airox | dimir, did a ./configure again |
| 09:44.29 | airox | it still prints an error in a file |
| 09:44.34 | airox | let me look at the code :) |
| 09:45.05 | joshua32258 | are downloads faster with debian?? |
| 09:45.15 | Ronin | downloads of what? |
| 09:45.15 | airox | joshua32258, :S |
| 09:45.30 | joshua32258 | music movies |
| 09:45.31 | Ronin | distro wouldnt really make a difference or shouldnt make a difference |
| 09:45.39 | jm_ | what, another prolonged weekend for morons? |
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| 09:45.48 | airox | jm_, :) |
| 09:45.49 | dimir | yeah. |
| 09:45.53 | dimir | Seems so. |
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| 09:46.33 | Eclipser | jm_, seems so indeed |
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| 09:46.52 | Eclipser | unbelievable really how this world has so many ... ignorant people |
| 09:47.00 | Gandalf_the_Grey | Yes |
| 09:47.02 | dimir | Like, now they join #debian and ask "what's Debian?". |
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| 09:47.27 | airox | let us pray for better times. |
| 09:48.20 | sep | what about us religiously challenged ?? |
| 09:48.53 | airox | they can slap the morons ? :) |
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| 09:49.04 | sep | hehe |
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| 09:49.29 | djp | is it possible to use gnome-bluetooth under debian 3.1 sarge? |
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| 09:49.51 | wookienz | hi, i am trying to do a dist upgrade but i get a error saying try and run apt-get -f install.... however after runnign that i get errors of unmet dependencies. however i end up in a loop and cant any where forward. |
| 09:50.50 | sep | wookienz, what debian version |
| 09:52.06 | wookienz | stable...trying tog ot otesting |
| 09:52.16 | wookienz | man typing sucks...to testing |
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| 09:54.32 | sep | wookienz, well i'd check that my sources were sane. and i'd make sure i used aptitude instead of apt-get as recomended, then i'd try breaking the loop by purging some nonessensial package, and if i had to ask for help, i'd make sure i pasted the output of my commands on paster |
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| 09:55.51 | liable | wookienz: not e2fsprogs ? |
| 09:55.53 | bwana147 | hi all. I new to this chan (though not to Debian). I hoped to learn new stuff by lurking here, not necessarily about opera or faster downloads of "music movies" |
| 09:55.57 | bwana147 | ;-) |
| 09:56.01 | bwana147 | oh well |
| 09:56.15 | airox | hahaha |
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| 09:56.26 | airox | welcome bwana147 |
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| 09:56.34 | bwana147 | thx airox |
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| 09:57.01 | bwana147 | i'll try and be more present and active, when my schedule allows |
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| 09:58.49 | bwana147 | a certain joshuafr has just joined #debianfr. i hope there's no relation |
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| 09:59.24 | incorrect | i am looking for a good call ticketing system, any suggestions? |
| 09:59.41 | incorrect | something that drives off imap would be good |
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| 10:00.20 | bwana147 | incorrect: I heard nothing but praises about rt |
| 10:00.21 | wookienz | liable: yes |
| 10:00.59 | liable | wookienz: trying to upgrade from woody to sid? |
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| 10:01.11 | bwana147 | I haven't used it much myself, but it's the one used on the CPAN |
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| 10:01.17 | incorrect | bwana147, rt ? i don't think google would find that very easily for me |
| 10:01.18 | Ronin | liable: i think its sarge to etch |
| 10:01.32 | bwana147 | incorrect: i'm looking that up for you |
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| 10:01.39 | incorrect | oh wait :) maybe it will |
| 10:02.00 | djp | XML::Parser perl module is required... what package includes this module? |
| 10:02.00 | incorrect | err no maybe not |
| 10:02.18 | bwana147 | incorrect: http://bestpractical.com/rt |
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| 10:02.37 | bwana147 | djp: libxml-parser-perl |
| 10:02.51 | djp | bwana147, thanks |
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| 10:02.58 | wookienz | liable: yes |
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| 10:03.07 | liable | wookienz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325834 |
| 10:03.22 | wookienz | well trying to download a testing package bandwidthd on a stable platofrm so i can use th binaries somewhere else |
| 10:03.35 | airox | incorrect, trac is also nice. though not only having a ticketing system. |
| 10:03.40 | airox | http://projects.edgewall.com/trac |
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| 10:05.16 | incorrect | is php help desk any good? |
| 10:05.18 | liable | man there has been a spate of those errors lately... |
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| 10:06.39 | wookienz | liable: whats the suggested way to get to sarge then sid? |
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| 10:06.56 | liable | wookienz: you are on woody now? |
| 10:07.04 | wookienz | yup |
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| 10:07.24 | liable | !tell wookienz about woody -> sarge |
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| 10:07.31 | liable | grr |
| 10:07.38 | liable | !tell wookienz about woody->sarge |
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| 10:08.16 | incorrect | are there any ticketing system that integrate with evolution? |
| 10:08.17 | wookienz | thanks |
| 10:08.42 | bwana147 | djp: btw, to get the package name of a Perl module, to turn to lowercase, change :: to hyphen, prepend with 'lib' and append '-perl': Foo::Bar -> libfoo-bar-perl |
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| 10:09.32 | bwana147 | incorrect: don't know. Have you tried to look on freshmeat.net ? |
| 10:09.55 | bwana147 | you may get more answers there |
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| 10:17.13 | joshuafr | hi all |
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| 10:19.11 | liable | RichiH: kline them! :) |
| 10:19.36 | RichiH | liable: not without proof, i think not ;) |
| 10:20.11 | liable | awww, 15 /joins, /parts from the same ip is proof enough.. :P |
| 10:20.24 | RichiH | the system where unregistered users are not allowed to /msg other users is rather effective against the actual spammage |
| 10:20.38 | RichiH | the joins.. well, you can use the irssi script |
| 10:21.02 | liable | it has worked well, its just the /joins thats annoying, which of course you can stop from seeing.. |
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| 10:21.30 | bwana147 | maybe its the wrong place to ask, but how do I register ? |
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| 10:21.39 | azeem | however, if you are not registered, you cannot use dpkg/recieve !tell, can you? |
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| 10:21.44 | nkuttler | bwana147: /msg nickserv help |
| 10:21.45 | sep | bwana147, /msg nickserv help |
| 10:21.48 | liable | bwana147: /msg nickserv help |
| 10:21.48 | bwana147 | thx |
| 10:21.54 | liable | !lose me |
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| 10:21.55 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 10:22.02 | sep | !win nkuttler |
| 10:22.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, nkuttler! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 10:22.11 | nkuttler | at last! |
| 10:22.20 | liable | :) |
| 10:22.47 | wireddd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:24.21 | liable | yay, dumping stream finally seems to work! :) |
| 10:24.28 | liable | if anyone cares... |
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| 10:25.37 | bob2 | liable: how? |
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| 10:25.49 | Dewi | liable: I need to know how. |
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| 10:27.02 | liable | bob2: i actually dont know why, but given a fairly good headstart, mplayer plays, catches up to about 49% of the file and holds.. and the fucker just stopped while i was typing this... :( |
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| 10:27.58 | liable | after about 20 mins, goddamn |
| 10:28.22 | liable | 22.5 to be exact... |
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| 10:29.23 | liable | !curse mplayer dumps |
| 10:29.24 | dpkg | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, mplayer dumps! |
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| 10:33.36 | liable | mplayer |
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| 10:34.07 | liable | i cant fucking believe it stopped on me, while i was typing that response... |
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| 10:35.33 | liable | Dewi: can you try it for me? |
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| 10:37.03 | wireddd | is digg down for everyone or is it just me? |
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| 10:38.30 | liable | Dewi: i want to see if its reproducable, etherman had the same problem, and he was on windows... but it seems somewhat random |
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| 10:38.46 | liable | wireddd: what is digg? |
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| 10:39.17 | wireddd | its kind of like slashdot |
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| 10:39.55 | airox | wireddd, works over here ... |
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| 10:40.01 | liable | wireddd: no, works here |
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| 10:40.07 | wireddd | thats odd |
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| 10:45.49 | liable | bob2: you say you have dumped and listened? |
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| 10:46.34 | liable | i'm out of diagnosing ideas... |
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| 10:49.48 | isam | the default apache2 in sarge, is it threaded or prefork ? |
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| 10:50.41 | resiak | isam: Whichever you install. |
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| 10:51.18 | liable | !find apache2 sarge |
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| 10:51.28 | avinoam | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.40 | liable | dpkg: wake up! |
| 10:51.40 | dpkg | liable: I'm already awake! :) |
| 10:51.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apache2' (5 of 20): (/usr/share/doc/onak/examples/apache2) in net/onak ;; (/etc/pam.d/apache2) in web/libapache2-mod-auth-pam ;; (/etc/apache2/conf.d/apache2-doc) in doc/apache2-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-php4) in web/libapache2-mod-php4 ;; (/usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-chroot) in web/libapache2-mod-chroot. |
| 10:51.50 | resiak | !info apache2-mpm-prefork sarge |
| 10:51.52 | dpkg | apache2-mpm-prefork: (traditional model for Apache2), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 197 kB, Installed size: 445 kB |
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| 10:52.06 | resiak | !info apache2-mpm-worker sarge |
| 10:52.08 | dpkg | apache2-mpm-worker: (high speed threaded model for Apache2), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 201 kB, Installed size: 457 kB |
| 10:52.12 | resiak | isam: ^^ See? you pick one. |
| 10:52.56 | isam | resiak, thanks.. I noticed this after asking my stupid Q :) |
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| 10:53.12 | resiak | isam: It's all good |
| 10:53.16 | incorrect | pick prefork if you want php |
| 10:53.39 | incorrect | are there any call tacking systems for evolution? |
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| 10:53.58 | liable | RACER: die! |
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| 10:54.25 | incorrect | sigh |
| 10:54.51 | liable | !comfort incorrect |
| 10:54.51 | dpkg | There, there, incorrect. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 10:54.59 | |sparr| | "sort" just started eating 50% of my cpu... im assuming a cron job just started, how might i check? |
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| 10:55.28 | resiak | |sparr|: ps |
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| 10:56.22 | resiak | |sparr|: Or look through your cronjobs. or pstree, to see what process spawned `sort`. Or indeed top. :) |
| 10:56.28 | liable | weee, up to 27mins... |
| 10:57.03 | liable | why cant i diagnose this fucking thing... |
| 10:57.46 | joshuafr | hi all |
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| 10:59.03 | joshuafr | I installed kde 3.4.2 from unstable, but now apt complaints about kdelibs4 and libqt3c102-mt for all others packages. Is there a way to fix this? |
| 11:00.03 | Dewi | liable: in windows if something is writing to a file, reading from the same file with a different process just seems... potentially problematic |
| 11:00.08 | liable | joshuafr: yes, of course... DONT USE UNSTABLE ... :P |
| 11:00.15 | resiak | joshuafr: Learn about the ABI transition, install as many of the complaining packages as you can from Unstable, and rebuild the ones which haven't been rebuilt for the new C++ ABI |
| 11:00.16 | Dewi | liable: though I guess tailing log files generally works |
| 11:00.16 | joshuafr | :-) |
| 11:00.46 | Dewi | liable: but I wouldn't expect windows to be the best comparison for dumping/streaming type operations |
| 11:00.53 | liable | Dewi: no, i dont use windows, can you try to dump the stream and then play it? |
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| 11:02.00 | Dewi | liable: winamp's "save stream" thing never worked for me |
| 11:02.14 | joshuafr | resiak:oki, I prefer come back to 3.4.1. Thanks for infos |
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| 11:02.23 | Dewi | liable: that makes me think though; that looked like a HTTP stream. Have you tried dumping with wget? |
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| 11:02.38 | Dewi | or curl or something |
| 11:02.56 | liable | Dewi: only reason i said anything about windows, was cause he had the same problem, which leads me to believe its either the stream providor, or mplayer.. |
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| 11:03.20 | liable | Dewi: use mplayer on cli |
| 11:03.38 | liable | Dewi: trying to diagnose... |
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| 11:04.00 | Dewi | I've never gotten mplayer going on linux or windows. |
| 11:04.39 | cire | is it possible, to create an alias in bashrc which consists of more than one command? (eg apt-get update + apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 11:04.43 | liable | Dewi: installit! :P |
| 11:04.50 | jm_ | cire: of course |
| 11:04.57 | cire | how do you do that? |
| 11:05.04 | Dewi | cire: bash commands can be separated by semicolon |
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| 11:05.16 | cire | ahh, okay. Thank you. |
| 11:05.17 | jm_ | the same way you separate commands on command line |
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| 11:05.23 | Dewi | cire: make sure you quote the alias body of course |
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| 11:06.06 | cire | sure |
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| 11:06.12 | cire | it works. Thank you. |
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| 11:08.41 | Dewi | christ. that hurt. |
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| 11:09.41 | liable | Dewi: /me is guessing bitrate from streaming source falls, mplayer catches up, eof? doesnt anyone do this shit? sheesh, woulda thought lots a people capture streams... |
| 11:09.50 | airox | is there way I can delete all development things (like gcc and make) on a debian system ? |
| 11:09.56 | liable | Dewi: sorry, wasnt aimed at you... |
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| 11:10.24 | sep | airox, aptitude |
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| 11:10.55 | airox | aptitude has a shortcut ? :) |
| 11:11.03 | Dewi | liable: I know what you mean. I've often wanted to do the same thing. |
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| 11:11.21 | airox | ah wait |
| 11:11.22 | Dewi | liable: but I always looked for software that split the stream specifically, rather than relying on write/read semantics on disk |
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| 11:11.27 | airox | a section with development tools ... |
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| 11:12.32 | airox | which command would show me how much memory a process uses ? |
| 11:12.39 | liable | Dewi: i am surprised at how little info there is for it.. i have never wanted to do it before, but now trying to find out whats going on, seems awfully hard.. |
| 11:12.41 | airox | something like top but then for memory |
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| 11:12.51 | bob2 | airox: top |
| 11:12.55 | airox | O_o |
| 11:13.01 | bob2 | airox: but very careful interpreting the results, it's not simple |
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| 11:13.28 | airox | bob2, it's just that i have 256mb ram and not much processes running. |
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| 11:13.38 | airox | i wonder what's eating up all the ram |
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| 11:14.24 | bob2 | airox: look at the output of "free -m" |
| 11:14.35 | gAri- | hi people |
| 11:14.42 | bob2 | airox: the difference between the 2nd and 3rd lines is important |
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| 11:15.00 | DsOft | hiya |
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| 11:15.06 | airox | Mem: 250 228 22 0 28 169 |
| 11:15.06 | airox | -/+ buffers/cache: 29 221 |
| 11:15.07 | liable | bob2: 44 minutes this time, and no real idea why, am suspecting slowdown from stream, and mplayer catching up, but cant really determine if that is the case or not.. no logs, no idea, i guess... |
| 11:15.07 | gAri- | my aacraid card says: aacraid: NMI ISR: NMI_PRIMARY_ATU_ERROR |
| 11:15.08 | airox | it tells me this |
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| 11:15.16 | DsOft | can anyone tell me the channel of gnoppix? |
| 11:15.20 | DsOft | if there is one |
| 11:15.25 | gAri- | its on 2.4.31 |
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| 11:15.58 | bob2 | liable: ah |
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| 11:16.05 | bob2 | DsOft: #gnoppix or something |
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| 11:16.13 | bob2 | DsOft: tho, the gnoppix live cd is just the ubuntu one, now |
| 11:16.17 | resiak | DsOft: If you google "gnoppix irc" it's the first bloody result... |
| 11:16.18 | bob2 | airox: there you go |
| 11:16.39 | bob2 | airox: you have 221MB of unused ram |
| 11:16.47 | airox | hmm |
| 11:16.56 | airox | i guess it has something to do about free memory not being used is bad ? |
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| 11:17.01 | airox | access times ? |
| 11:17.02 | bob2 | right |
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| 11:17.06 | airox | ahhh oke |
| 11:17.07 | bob2 | so the kernel uses it for disk cache |
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| 11:17.15 | airox | kinda logical |
| 11:17.16 | airox | :) |
| 11:17.17 | bob2 | if something else needs it, the kernel makes it available |
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| 11:18.03 | liable | jesus christ, bob2 are you dos'ing me or what? everytime i talk to you it stops! |
| 11:18.28 | bob2 | hah |
| 11:18.44 | liable | thats very fucking weird... |
| 11:19.01 | airox | lol |
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| 11:19.13 | liable | 42 minutes this time, talk to you, *bam* it stops.. |
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| 11:20.05 | airox | anybody knows of a tool that can generate hashes of the whole filesystem and put it into a file ? and that can check also again if any files changed ? |
| 11:20.15 | liable | i know thats not really a sensible explanation, but shit, its awfully spooky... |
| 11:20.27 | Dewi | hmmm. |
| 11:20.49 | Dewi | liable: overzealous QoS? |
| 11:20.50 | Dewi | :P |
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| 11:21.13 | Dewi | liable: sounds easily repeatable anyway :P |
| 11:21.17 | liable | fucked if i know wtf is going on... |
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| 11:21.49 | sep | airox, md5sum ? |
| 11:22.05 | sep | airox, or perhaps your into a compleate tool like tripwire |
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| 11:22.31 | Dewi | ooh, speaking of md5sum |
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| 11:22.45 | Dewi | I tend to use find | md5sum to hash whole directories |
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| 11:22.54 | Dewi | but the problem I run into is that the order isn't deterministic |
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| 11:23.23 | Dewi | any ideas how to do find | md5sum to produce a deterministically-ordered file? |
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| 11:23.31 | airox | sep, thanks for a few suggestions |
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| 11:23.41 | sep | Dewi, add a | sort ? |
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| 11:23.44 | Dewi | (as opposed to the whim of the filesystem) |
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| 11:23.59 | Dewi | sep: my files have spaces in them so I have to use -print0 | xargs -0 |
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| 11:24.04 | debnewbie | here again. At booting time I have noticed the following kernel message: ipw2200: no version for "ieee80211_get_crypto_ops" found: kernel tainted. What does it mean? shall I enable any kernel option and recompiling? I'm using kernel-image-2.6.8-2-636 package |
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| 11:24.11 | Dewi | sep: and afaik sort won't cope with null-terminated "lines" |
| 11:24.20 | airox | Maybe making a PHP script which uses a sqlite database would be cool |
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| 11:24.32 | airox | and using md5sum then |
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| 11:24.40 | debnewbie | hi there, |
| 11:24.46 | airox | hi debnewbie |
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| 11:25.06 | airox | or another script language offcourse |
| 11:25.10 | bayab00m | hola |
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| 11:25.20 | me_here | i cannot find a kde-3.4 backport in http://www.backports.org |
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| 11:25.41 | Dewi | does anyone know how to make "find" and "xargs" compatible for filenames containing sh-reserved-characters, without resorting to -0? |
| 11:25.46 | airox | me_here, there is something in the topic about 3.4 |
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| 11:27.02 | chemaja | Dewi: depends how you use them as input, really |
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| 11:27.16 | Dewi | chemaja: find is providing the input to xargs |
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| 11:27.28 | mixmatch | is there a good irc client that supports filters on the chat window? there are channels like this one that I really don't want to see who joins and leaves, |
| 11:27.32 | Dewi | chemaja: it doesn't put backslashes in to escape things |
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| 11:27.39 | djp | does anyone know how to get obexserver working? i can send files from my pc to my phone but not from pohne to pc... debian 3.1 sarge here. |
| 11:27.45 | aeronadix | is there a xterm, that has built in tabbed sessions, like you can do with kde or gnome, cause I am using desktop managers instead, and want to use tabbed xterm instead of open many individual windows |
| 11:27.50 | debnewbie | I have noticed the following kernel message: "no version for "ieee80211_get_crypto_ops" found: kernel tainted". Shall I enable any other kernel option and recompile? I'm using kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686.deb |
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| 11:28.23 | liable | hrm, weird, i can get mplayer to forward at 3.14 times, and it sits at the good old 49% part of the file, but still keeps playing into the file... |
| 11:28.24 | chemaja | devnull: paste the line so i can see |
| 11:28.26 | xuniluser | How do I mount a partition with an ID of "OnTrackDM6" |
| 11:28.33 | chemaja | Dewi: paste the line |
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| 11:29.20 | Dewi | chemaja: find . | xargs ls -l |
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| 11:29.59 | airox | mixmatch, irssi is able to do it |
| 11:30.10 | airox | mixmatch, /ignore #debian -JOINS |
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| 11:30.18 | Dewi | airox: ooh, handy. |
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| 11:30.51 | Dewi | airox: except "-" removes from a set |
| 11:30.57 | airox | hehe |
| 11:30.59 | airox | correct |
| 11:31.05 | aeronadix | can I open the konsole that is part of kde within say blackbox? |
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| 11:31.16 | Dewi | so it's "/ignore #debian JOINS" |
| 11:31.18 | airox | aeronadix, yes |
| 11:31.28 | Dewi | that doesn't get parts. |
| 11:31.34 | aeronadix | airox, cool |
| 11:31.37 | Dewi | so it's "/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS" |
| 11:31.45 | liable | sheesh, this is actually doing my head in.. |
| 11:31.47 | airox | nice isn't it :) |
| 11:31.56 | streuner | !nospambots |
| 11:31.56 | dpkg | from memory, nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds |
| 11:32.11 | Dewi | streuner: now *that* sounds handy |
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| 11:32.25 | airox | lots of ways to get to heaven |
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| 11:32.31 | streuner | dpkg, nospambots is also or just "/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS" |
| 11:32.32 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 11:32.35 | streuner | !nospambots |
| 11:32.57 | Ronin | you broke it streuner :) |
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| 11:33.28 | airox | Ronin, dpkg thinks streuner wants to spam |
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| 11:33.37 | Dewi | !nospambots |
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| 11:33.50 | Dewi | :{ |
| 11:33.53 | jbroome | irssi is the best |
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| 11:34.22 | liable | !factinfo nospambots |
| 11:34.22 | dpkg | nospambots -- last modified 26s ago by streuner!i=foobar@p54A5D267.dip.t-dialin.net; it has been requested 2 times, last by Noid, 14s ago. |
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| 11:34.31 | streuner | dpkg, nospambots |
| 11:34.31 | dpkg | nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds or just "/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS" |
| 11:34.40 | Noid | streuner: it's working fine |
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| 11:35.10 | streuner | good |
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| 11:36.16 | MacTen | hello. who can help me with time config in debian? |
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| 11:36.29 | liable | !set time |
| 11:36.30 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 11:36.42 | MacTen | no |
| 11:36.46 | MacTen | i have my own server |
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| 11:37.04 | MacTen | some virtual servers running on it |
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| 11:37.17 | airox | MacTen, ntpdate ip.of.your.server ? |
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| 11:38.28 | Dewi | if I have a stream of filenames 1-per-line, it will be xargs compatible only if no "unusual characters" occur. How can I either: 1) insert escapes to fix it, or 2) change newlines to nulls so that xargs -0 works? |
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| 11:39.14 | MacTen | airox, should i run this on VPS or on server? |
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| 11:39.48 | airox | MacTen, you did mean you were running a NTP server didn't you ? |
| 11:39.55 | MacTen | no |
| 11:39.58 | airox | Or did you mean you are running some other services ? |
| 11:40.03 | MacTen | i have just server |
| 11:40.07 | airox | Ok. |
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| 11:40.13 | airox | And the time on the server is incorrect ? |
| 11:40.14 | MacTen | dedicated |
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| 11:40.26 | MacTen | no. date shows me right time |
| 11:40.31 | Dewi | dedicated to being a server, eh |
| 11:40.43 | fireba11 | MacTen: the VM also shoing the righht time ? |
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| 11:40.57 | fireba11 | or whatever you use for the virtual servers |
| 11:41.01 | xirjs | whats about debian on ppc are there posivitve experiences? |
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| 11:41.25 | schnoblattila | hi all |
| 11:41.37 | MacTen | when i login to VPS - date show me right time toto |
| 11:41.38 | MacTen | too |
| 11:41.41 | MacTen | but |
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| 11:41.50 | MacTen | more of this |
| 11:42.03 | MacTen | cmd ls -la for file shows right time |
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| 11:42.22 | sep | xirjs, #debian-ppc |
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| 11:42.59 | Fluten | how can i tell debian to leave /etc/resolv.conf alone when connecting to a dhcp network? |
| 11:43.02 | Dewi | MacTen: so what's wrong? |
| 11:43.04 | MacTen | but if i will connect to ftp - my ftp shows other time (it shows UTC time. but i need GMT+2) |
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| 11:43.10 | Starfury^ | hi installing firefox via the installer which is in my home dir, its wanting to install the program into the place where the installer is located, where should i change the install path to? /usr/local/ is it? |
| 11:43.20 | Dewi | MacTen: is it showing the correct UTC time? |
| 11:43.33 | liable | Starfury^: no, use debian packages... |
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| 11:43.42 | etele | hi all |
| 11:43.52 | Starfury^ | liable: ok got the name of it so i dont have to search, firefox 1.0.7 |
| 11:44.09 | MacTen | yes, it shows correct UTC time |
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| 11:44.19 | MacTen | but i need GMT+2 |
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| 11:44.22 | liable | Starfury^: why are you using non-debian packages? |
| 11:44.29 | Dewi | MacTen: that's an FTPd configuration question then, not the system. Which ftpd? |
| 11:44.32 | MacTen | i run tzselect n select timezone |
| 11:44.39 | MacTen | pureone- ftpd |
| 11:44.44 | Starfury^ | liable, i just went to the website and clicked get |
| 11:44.45 | Starfury^ | :) |
| 11:44.45 | MacTen | pureone- ftpd |
| 11:45.01 | MacTen | ftp - pure-ftpd |
| 11:45.08 | liable | Starfury^: well, dont, use the *debian* ones... |
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| 11:45.39 | sep | Fluten, you could try installing and configuring resolvconf package.. |
| 11:45.44 | Starfury^ | are you saying not to use firefox at all or to use a debian packaged version? |
| 11:45.56 | Dewi | Starfury^: it'll be easier if you use the debian packaged one |
| 11:46.08 | liable | Starfury^: use the debian one... |
| 11:46.09 | Dewi | Starfury^: only use non-debian software as a last resort |
| 11:46.12 | etele | I have got a new monitor and I can't set X to 1280x1024, can somebody help me? |
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| 11:46.18 | Starfury^ | yeah and my question to liable was did he/she have the package name to save me having to search |
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| 11:46.30 | chemaja | etele: X="1280x1024" ;) |
| 11:46.34 | sep | !drxx |
| 11:46.34 | Starfury^ | so i can just apt-get it |
| 11:46.34 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:46.36 | Ronin | Starfury^: apt-cache search etc... |
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| 11:46.37 | Dewi | Starfury^: apt-cache search firefox |
| 11:46.41 | Starfury^ | kk |
| 11:46.41 | MacTen | Dewi, any idea? |
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| 11:46.49 | Dewi | Starfury^: the version will depend on your state of update and debian version |
| 11:46.54 | enyc | etel: erm... unless you have manual x11 config.. do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" as root, I think |
| 11:47.08 | Dewi | MacTen: well, ftpd is an internet server. |
| 11:47.14 | Dewi | MacTen: the people logging in can be from any timezone |
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| 11:47.20 | etele | re |
| 11:47.23 | etele | sorry |
| 11:47.30 | Starfury^ | ta |
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| 11:47.33 | Dewi | MacTen: there is no way for it to determine the client's timezone, so it seems natural to me that it would display UTC |
| 11:47.38 | etele | I know I set that and I got an error message |
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| 11:47.46 | Dewi | MacTen: however it is possible that ftpd will let you configure this |
| 11:47.59 | liable | Starfury^: and the answer is, wtf are you trying to download from a pop-up in firefox, when you can get a perfectly usable package from apt? |
| 11:47.59 | Dewi | MacTen: where is this UTC date? |
| 11:48.02 | Dewi | MacTen: on "dir"? |
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| 11:48.07 | MacTen | Dewi, how can i configure to display not UTC, but GMT+2 ? even if client's timezone is other |
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| 11:48.45 | Dewi | MacTen: when? is this when the user types "dir"? |
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| 11:49.09 | MacTen | Dewi, in FTP client. where running "ls -la" |
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| 11:49.41 | MacTen | i have tried at several ftp clients - it doesn't matter which one i used |
| 11:50.16 | MacTen | even if i will connect from main server to VPS (which is inside of this server) via FTP - it will show UTC time too |
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| 11:50.22 | MacTen | and i need GMT+2 |
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| 11:50.47 | pirate | list |
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| 11:51.56 | Daveman | yarr |
| 11:52.18 | Swat2[w] | apt proftpd? |
| 11:52.20 | apt | Advanced, incredibly configurable and secure FTP daemon. URL: http://www.proftpd.org/ |
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| 11:52.32 | djp | anybody have any idea of how to get mobiles working with bluetooth under debian? |
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| 11:53.13 | etele | I paested my error to #flood |
| 11:53.23 | etele | can somebody help? |
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| 11:53.42 | sceig | i've moved from sarge to testing (etch) and know after installing mysql-server (apt-get) i^ve got : [6554]: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' . mysqld isn't running. If I try to start it miwth the command 'mysqld' i've got 'Fatal error: Can't open privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist' Someone as an idea ? |
| 11:53.46 | Daveman | eww |
| 11:54.01 | bob2 | sceig: you shouldn't ever be running mysqld yourself |
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| 11:54.06 | bob2 | sceig: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql-server start |
| 11:54.09 | bob2 | or whatever it is |
| 11:54.09 | xuniluser | what happens when i change the partition ID of a partition? will i still get the files inside? |
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| 11:54.16 | Dewi | MacTen: it sounds like an FTP client problem to me |
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| 11:54.23 | Dewi | MacTen: servers should not be guessing timezones |
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| 11:55.14 | bob2 | xuniluser: changing the id of your psuedo-raid partition is only likely to result in data loss |
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| 11:56.01 | MacTen | Dewi, still here? |
| 11:56.14 | xuniluser | bob2: the guys in linux told me to use "file"? here are the results: it tells me that the partition(according to file) is /dev/hdc1: block special (22/1) |
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| 11:56.30 | Dewi | MacTen: yeah. I can't find anything relevant in the ftp spec |
| 11:56.33 | xuniluser | bob2: and then when i invoke "file -s /dev/hdc1" it reported: "/dev/hdc1: x86 boot sector" |
| 11:56.43 | me_here | does anyone of you have installed then kde3.4 ? does it run ? |
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| 11:56.52 | xuniluser | bob2: how will i know mount that using those info from "file" |
| 11:57.02 | MacTen | Dewi, do you think that it must be in pure-ftpd config? |
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| 11:57.17 | ircops | ahhhhhhh.... nothing like coffee on a Monday morning (except maybe sex on Sunday afternoon) |
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| 11:57.34 | fireba11 | ircops: ^^ |
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| 11:57.49 | luulis | can anything on debian play video files encoded with h264 codec? totem(-xine) at least couldn't :/ |
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| 11:58.37 | sceig | still have the same errors with /etc/init.d/mysql start |
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| 11:59.07 | xuniluser | bob2: sorry but i'm so stuck with this problem |
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| 11:59.25 | sep | sceig, remove all database files, restart mysql |
| 11:59.35 | DotHack | why does mount give an error code 32 when a filesystem is already mounted? |
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| 11:59.52 | sep | luulis, xine playes whatever codecs you have installed. |
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| 12:00.27 | bob2 | MacTen: please don't |
| 12:00.46 | bob2 | xuniluser: that info from file is of no use |
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| 12:00.52 | sep | DotHack, the author liked the number ? what error code would you prefer ? |
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| 12:00.57 | bob2 | luulis: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 12:01.09 | Dewi | is there a web site with debian man pages? |
| 12:01.24 | xuniluser | bob2: is there another way? sorry i'm hopeless |
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| 12:01.31 | xuniluser | bob2: and deperate.... |
| 12:02.15 | fireba11 | Dewi http://www.die.net/ |
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| 12:02.18 | sep | Dewi, aptitude install man2html then http://localhost/cgi-bin/man/man2html |
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| 12:02.35 | DotHack | sep the mountall.sh script in init.d returns a red "failed!" on booting because proc i already in mounted, and i just hate error messages! Newbie users could be scared by a red "failed!" |
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| 12:03.19 | sep | DotHack, edit the script to check if proc is mounted before trying the mount |
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| 12:04.09 | asg | test |
| 12:04.14 | asg | bah |
| 12:04.32 | DotHack | sep, yeah did that but i should work normally without giving false errors out of the box |
| 12:04.42 | bob2 | xuniluser: they really didn't tell you what on earth was on it? |
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| 12:05.31 | wersh | (firefox-bin:32669): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_property_get(): length value has wrapped in calculation (did you pass G_MAXLONG?) |
| 12:05.31 | wersh | Segmentation fault |
| 12:05.37 | deeler | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.43 | deeler | any ideas? |
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| 12:06.06 | bob2 | deeler: when using testing? |
| 12:06.10 | xuniluser | bob2: nothing... but why can i access that under windows? |
| 12:06.11 | deeler | yes |
| 12:06.13 | deeler | bob2, |
| 12:06.22 | sep | DotHack, trying to mount a mounted fs is an error imho |
| 12:06.31 | bob2 | xuniluser: becaue windows has support for whatever insane partition format it has |
| 12:06.35 | bob2 | perhaps linux does too |
| 12:06.38 | bob2 | google didn't know anything? |
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| 12:07.32 | Dewi | sep: I specifically wanted it for man pages I don't have installed |
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| 12:07.38 | Dewi | sep: so no :) |
| 12:07.49 | deeler | google didn't |
| 12:07.56 | deeler | what is bogl ? |
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| 12:08.04 | sep | Dewi, hard to smell from norway :) |
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| 12:08.23 | bob2 | deeler: a component of the installer which is was briefly broken |
| 12:08.27 | elirips | hello. i have an entry '/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 auto ro,user,auto' for my digicam in my /etc/fstab. now i would like to remount it read-write, so i can delete pictures on it. do i need to change fstab to do so, or can i also do it otherwise? |
| 12:08.34 | BiZToRo | some good tutorial for grsecurity on debian stable? |
| 12:08.43 | deeler | bob2, , any workarounds? |
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| 12:09.16 | deeler | elirips, umount it if it's temparary |
| 12:09.18 | fireba11 | elirips: if course you can just unmount and re-mount rw |
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| 12:09.51 | bob2 | deeler: use the sarge installer |
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| 12:10.11 | bob2 | elirips: sudo mount -o rw,remount /media/sda1 |
| 12:10.35 | deeler | can't bob2 ... i need aic79xx support at boot |
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| 12:10.53 | niksie | Hi guys |
| 12:11.30 | niksie | What is the release cycle of debian distro's nowadays? |
| 12:11.33 | bob2 | deeler: then wait |
| 12:11.36 | bob2 | niksie: when it's ready |
| 12:11.40 | elirips | bob2: i tried that, mount says now: '/dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)', but still if i want to delete files from it (in konqueror) i get an 'access denied'. |
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| 12:11.53 | deeler | can't wait, need to be installed by wednesday :-s |
| 12:12.06 | bob2 | elirips: does it work from the terminal |
| 12:12.47 | MacTen | Dewi, did you find something? |
| 12:12.48 | jm_ | it means your user has no write permissions |
| 12:12.50 | deeler | launch Konqueror as root elirips |
| 12:12.55 | elirips | bob2: hm, it works from the terminal as root, but not as user. |
| 12:12.59 | bob2 | deeler: what does the bts? |
| 12:13.02 | jm_ | pretty normal, especially for FAT partitions |
| 12:13.03 | bob2 | elirips: there you go |
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| 12:13.06 | deeler | bts ? |
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| 12:13.15 | elirips | deeler: thanks, but i guess i'm going to edit fstab to mount it with the right userid. |
| 12:13.15 | bob2 | elirips: sudo mount -o rw,remount,umask=000 /media/whatever |
| 12:13.22 | deeler | np |
| 12:13.27 | bob2 | deeler: bugs.debian.org |
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| 12:13.40 | elirips | bob2: thanks too for your help. guess i can fix it now. |
| 12:13.42 | deeler | hehe ... yeah |
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| 12:14.25 | Dewi | MacTen: no, sorry. Check your pureftpd and ftp client documentation. |
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| 12:15.13 | palo | hello thee |
| 12:15.17 | palo | there |
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| 12:15.36 | palo | i need help with my xorg.conf |
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| 12:16.29 | palo | specialy i need an Modeline , which allow me to talk to my Tv . |
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| 12:16.57 | palo | someone there, how knows, how to make an Modeline ? |
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| 12:17.09 | Zomb | the modeline howto knows |
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| 12:17.25 | jm_ | try /msg dpkg modeline |
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| 12:18.24 | palo | k |
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| 12:18.51 | palo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:19.13 | palo | THE howto i ' ve never found |
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| 12:20.25 | deeler | question ! how on earth do i get debian on a scsi disk on a ASC-39320 SCSIcontroller ??? machine is sc1420 debian |
| 12:20.36 | deeler | euh, i mean dell machine |
| 12:21.08 | NS-Sensenmann | Question. I have debian woody installed, and i have downloaded the gnome desktop (apt-get insatll gnome), how do i start gnome? thanks... |
| 12:21.19 | fireba11 | makes no difference if it's dell if they don't have some special thingy again .. deeler |
| 12:21.27 | sep | deeler, deeler the installer kernel dont support your controller ? |
| 12:21.31 | palo | ok i count the pixels , and use an function |
| 12:21.33 | palo | thx |
| 12:21.41 | deeler | thought that too, but it's the bloody scsicontroller that's killing me |
| 12:21.57 | bob2 | NS-Sensenmann: you know woody is really really really old, right? |
| 12:22.05 | NS-Sensenmann | yeah |
| 12:22.06 | deeler | sep, i guess not, all i get is "no partionable media foun" |
| 12:22.07 | bob2 | deeler: d-i doesn't work? |
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| 12:22.19 | bob2 | NS-Sensenmann: echo gnome-session > ~/.xsession ; startx |
| 12:22.20 | NS-Sensenmann | shuld i try the new one debian distr? |
| 12:22.31 | deeler | i got a backorder of 10 more of these machines, i need a working one by friday |
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| 12:22.37 | deeler | d-i ? |
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| 12:22.47 | deeler | what's d-i bob2 ? |
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| 12:22.59 | sep | deeler, then either, make a custom d-i or boot a livecd and use debbootstrapinstall |
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| 12:23.23 | sep | deeler, or install on a ide drive and transfer it to your scsi afterwards |
| 12:23.26 | deeler | what livecd did you have in mind? |
| 12:23.29 | deeler | knoppix or so ? |
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| 12:23.42 | sep | deeler, a good example yes |
| 12:24.13 | deeler | doesn't work sep , i've tried that with another (linux compatile) scsi card, and afterwards just switched the cable ... kernel panics |
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| 12:24.48 | sep | deeler, then you did it wrong |
| 12:24.51 | deeler | sep, is debbootstrapisntall similar to what netinstall does ? |
| 12:25.08 | deeler | sep: what did i do wrong ? |
| 12:25.16 | michal_ | i've been trying to work this out for a while now but i havn't been able to. how could i list all the directories (with full path) containing a file called marks.vdr ? |
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| 12:25.28 | sep | deeler, how should i know when you havent told us how you did it |
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| 12:26.03 | sep | deeler, point is nomatter how you install that you must make sure you have a kernel that detects your hardware ready on your scsi. |
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| 12:26.25 | deeler | well, installed debian on scsi drive with a compatible scsi card, worked fine, then switched the drive to my original scsi card , kernel panic |
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| 12:26.57 | sep | deeler, you must ofcouse make sure the driver for the card is available either compiled in kernel or in initrd |
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| 12:27.06 | deeler | i don't know how or where to get a kernel that supports this scsi card sep |
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| 12:27.46 | NS-Sensenmann | bob2 ? wich debain should i take instead of woody? |
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| 12:27.55 | deeler | NS-Sensenmann, sarge |
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| 12:28.12 | NS-Sensenmann | wehre can i get de HP-PA images? |
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| 12:29.05 | NS-Sensenmann | -> this one ? http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/current/hppa/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-hppa-binary-1.iso |
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| 12:29.27 | gonzi | hello |
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| 12:29.32 | gonzi | I need some help |
| 12:29.58 | Ronin | we all do gonzi it being a monday and all |
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| 12:30.16 | bob2 | NS-Sensenmann: yes |
| 12:30.26 | michal_ | i tried using find with the -printf "\"%h\n\"" paramater but that doesn't put quotes around the rsult properly :/ |
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| 12:30.51 | gonzi | can you help me? |
| 12:30.53 | Dewi | michal_: why do you need quotes? |
| 12:30.55 | resiak | michal_: find -foo -bar -baz -print0 | xargs -0 |
| 12:30.56 | NS-Sensenmann | thx |
| 12:31.01 | gonzi | well I'm a newbie |
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| 12:31.06 | michal_ | dewi: because there are spaces |
| 12:31.11 | fbi | gonzi: no one can help you if you don't ask a question. |
| 12:31.12 | streuner | !n00b |
| 12:31.12 | dpkg | methinks n00b is l33t jargon for newbie. |
| 12:31.19 | Dewi | michal_: use -0, or a backquote instead of xargs |
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| 12:31.40 | Ronin | gonzi: no one can help till you tell us the problem |
| 12:31.50 | michal_ | i need the directory containing the file.. not the file.. :/ |
| 12:31.50 | gonzi | ok |
| 12:32.29 | gonzi | I need to understand the process of Compiling the Kernel & Compiling modules |
| 12:32.30 | michal_ | ahh.. got it.. -printf "\"%h\"\n" |
| 12:32.31 | deeler | sep, i'd like to give that debbootstrapinstall a shot, where can i find more info on that ? |
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| 12:32.50 | hs | hello, I need some help. I tried to use the acpi/processor module of the 2.6.8 kernel, but the laptop beginns to shout a beep everytime I load the module. I'm using a Intel Centrino Procesor. |
| 12:32.52 | Ronin | gonzi: all thats available online, did you try doing a search for it? |
| 12:33.00 | gonzi | yeah |
| 12:33.13 | gonzi | but I always have a problem |
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| 12:33.30 | Dewi | gonzi: describe it |
| 12:33.37 | michal_ | xargs doesn't work in this scenario :/ |
| 12:33.41 | michal_ | i'll have to use a for loop |
| 12:33.48 | gonzi | because I dont want to understand what I'm doing |
| 12:33.50 | Dewi | michal_: why doesn't it work? |
| 12:34.02 | michal_ | dewi: i don't know.. it just doesn't |
| 12:34.08 | deeler | lol |
| 12:34.09 | fbi | gonzi: wtf kind of answer is that. |
| 12:34.18 | gonzi | omg |
| 12:34.23 | gonzi | dont yell at me |
| 12:34.27 | gonzi | :( |
| 12:34.30 | deeler | i wish i couldn't understand what i'm doing too |
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| 12:34.34 | michal_ | dewi: how do i pipe find . -name marks.vdr -printf "\"%h\"\n" via xargs into cutinplace ? |
| 12:34.36 | fireba11 | ^^ |
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| 12:34.39 | Ronin | gonzi: no ones yelling at anyone |
| 12:34.48 | resiak | michal_: I can break your find. |
| 12:34.49 | cheal | hs: no clue, but what's "the acpi/processor module"? |
| 12:35.03 | gonzi | some people just compile the kernel following steps, but they dont know why |
| 12:35.05 | Dewi | michal_: I don't know what cutinplace is |
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| 12:35.23 | michal_ | dewi: doesn't matter.. it's a command that takes a directory as an argument |
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| 12:35.29 | Ronin | gonzi: why are you compiling an kernel anyhow? apt-get doesnt have what you want/need? |
| 12:35.31 | michal_ | resiak: how? |
| 12:35.33 | resiak | michal_: mkdir baz; touch 'baz/frob"aoeu'; find ./baz -printf "\"%h\"\n" # whoops! |
| 12:35.43 | Dewi | michal_: if it only takes 1 directory as argument you will need to use xargs -n 1 |
| 12:35.57 | michal_ | resiak: that doesn't matter.. that directory doesn't contain marks.vdr :P |
| 12:36.00 | Dewi | resiak: stop being silly |
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| 12:36.13 | Dewi | resiak: -0 isn't appropriate for what he's doing |
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| 12:36.21 | hs | cheal: the module 'processor', which is described at /kernel/drivers/acpi in the modconf utility |
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| 12:36.25 | Dewi | resiak: give us some constructive advice if you want to help |
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| 12:36.39 | gonzi | for example, I read in a webpage that I need to "compile lm-sensors as a module" |
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| 12:36.55 | michal_ | dew: ahh.. thanks.. that did it |
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| 12:37.05 | deeler | gonzi; use apt-get for the lmsensors |
| 12:37.07 | sep | deeler, /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 12:37.10 | Dewi | resiak: don't get me wrong, I would *love* to use -0 |
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| 12:37.25 | Dewi | resiak: but he needs to printf it to get the pathname |
| 12:37.43 | Dewi | resiak: and quite often I want to postprocess find's output so I can't use -0 either |
| 12:37.50 | djp | why can i not manage to get my sony ericsson 700 to not send files to my pc? i can send to my phone but not from it? |
| 12:37.55 | gonzi | yes I already download the lm-sensors, actually I have the kernel 2.6.8, and configure it with sensors-detect |
| 12:38.06 | resiak | Dewi: You mean, just get the dirnames? Why not just use -type d ? |
| 12:38.27 | deeler | sep .. ? don't quite follow you |
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| 12:38.29 | Dewi | resiak: because he only wants dirs containing "marks.vdr" |
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| 12:38.39 | resiak | Dewi: Ahhhhh. My bad, sorry, ignore me. |
| 12:38.44 | Dewi | resiak: I guess there might be some complicated find logic pattern to do it properly |
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| 12:38.54 | Dewi | resiak: but complicated find patterns confuse me :) |
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| 12:39.19 | fbi | gonzi: lm-sensors run fine on my 2.6.8 kernel. you don't need to 'compile' anything. |
| 12:39.32 | Dewi | streuner: this join/part filtering works fantastically |
| 12:39.40 | gonzi | fbi: really? so whats the problem ?? |
| 12:39.45 | ralf | xargs is cool |
| 12:39.58 | ralf | echo .4 .2 .2 .4 .8 .4 0 | xargs -n1 echo 'echo -n \\a ; sleep' |sh |
| 12:40.03 | fbi | gonzi: how should i know? you haven't stated what happens when you run them. |
| 12:40.15 | gonzi | fbi: I downloades lm-sensors and sensorsd |
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| 12:41.04 | sep | !msgdpkg |
| 12:41.04 | dpkg | "/msg" is a command in most IRC clients to send a private message (PM) to a user. dpkg is a bot, who responds to certain keywords with information. If somebody tells you to "/msg dpkg something", type that into your IRC client and dpkg will tell you something in private to keep clutter off the main channel. Make sure you don't leave a space between the start of the line and the "/msg". |
| 12:41.05 | xKintaro | I just proven how much Ubuntu sucks. |
| 12:41.13 | resiak | Dewi, michal_: Maybe #bash will have the ultimate solution(TM)? :) |
| 12:41.13 | gonzi | fbi: when I run sensors I receive this message: eeprom-i2c-0-51 |
| 12:41.14 | gonzi | Adapter: SMBus I801 adapter at c800 |
| 12:41.14 | gonzi | Memory type: DDR SDRAM DIMM |
| 12:41.14 | gonzi | Memory size (MB): 512 |
| 12:41.14 | gonzi | eeprom-i2c-0-50 |
| 12:41.14 | gonzi | Adapter: SMBus I801 adapter at c800 |
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| 12:41.37 | resiak | \o/ |
| 12:41.38 | xKintaro | Fucking Windows XP works faster on my fileserver than my Ubuntu laptop, which has way better hardware |
| 12:41.42 | michal_ | resiak.. i'm reasonably happy with what i got :) |
| 12:41.47 | michal_ | goodnight |
| 12:41.47 | resiak | michal_: Okay. |
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| 12:42.23 | michal_ | dewi: thanks for your help |
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| 12:42.31 | Dewi | michal_: np |
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| 12:42.47 | gonzi | fbi: how can I paste the message that I receive when I reun sensors? |
| 12:42.53 | resiak | !paste |
| 12:42.53 | dpkg | [paste] Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 12:44.35 | hs | please, is here anyone that knows anything about making a centrino running with speedstep and acpi features on a 2.6.8 kernel? |
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| 12:45.12 | fireba11 | xKintaro: what do you mean with "works faster on my fileserver" anyway ? |
| 12:45.15 | gonzi | fbi: are you there? |
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| 12:45.34 | resiak | hs: apt-get install cpufreqd |
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| 12:45.55 | cockroach | 14:44 < hs> please, is here anyone that knows anything about making a centrino |
| 12:45.55 | cockroach | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.58 | fbi | gonzi: yes. |
| 12:46.12 | fbi | gonzi: i can join #flood if you wish. |
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| 12:46.52 | Dewi | catch you all later. |
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| 12:47.35 | gonzi | fbi: ok explain me that, its my first time usin xxhat |
| 12:47.40 | gonzi | xchat |
| 12:47.47 | fbi | gonzi: /j #flood |
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| 12:47.52 | gonzi | ok |
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| 12:48.13 | hs | resiak: yes i tried that, but then the notebook begins to shout a constant beep, and i don't think that's good... |
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| 12:48.25 | Roadrunne | Hi, how can I find out the ip-adresses for a system with 4 interfaces, if I do not have access to this machine, only to DNS servers? |
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| 12:48.42 | reddi | hi, i want to start debian from my bootdisc manually |
| 12:48.44 | resiak | hs: No, nor do I! But that's all I did... |
| 12:48.49 | reddi | but i get an kernel panic |
| 12:49.02 | Dewi | reddi: do you mean a floppy or a CD? |
| 12:49.06 | spatriciu | I am trying to set up lan at home. I have 2 computers. one running winxp and the second running linux. linux has a ppp0 connection. |
| 12:49.06 | spatriciu | linuxfreck: 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:49.06 | spatriciu | RinzeWind: 192.168.1.2 |
| 12:49.06 | spatriciu | I've executed: |
| 12:49.06 | spatriciu | ifconfig 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0 up |
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| 12:49.15 | reddi | which kernel parameters do i need? |
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| 12:49.31 | reddi | i have a floppy disc where grub is installed on it and i want to try some things with it ;-) |
| 12:50.00 | resiak | spatriciu: man interfaces |
| 12:50.04 | reddi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:50.24 | Dewi | reddi: kernel on a floppy and root on your hard drive? |
| 12:50.25 | hs | resiak: I can't understand that. I never heard about a problem like I have now! |
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| 12:50.28 | reddi | is that correct? cause debian says: cannot open root decive hda1 |
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| 12:50.42 | reddi | kernel on hd, kernel works fine without floppy |
| 12:50.55 | reddi | but i want to boot via floppy (learn and test something) |
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| 12:51.58 | fireba11 | oh when will they learn not to paste here ... ^^ |
| 12:52.00 | reddi | when i have installed a debian system without any other os on that computer, than the root must be hda1 .... |
| 12:52.15 | fireba11 | reddi: no |
| 12:52.21 | reddi | fireba11: why? |
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| 12:52.33 | fireba11 | reddi: depents on the order you create partitions |
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| 12:52.43 | reddi | ok and how do i find that out in debian? |
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| 12:52.54 | Deek | cfdisk? |
| 12:52.55 | Dewi | "mount" |
| 12:52.56 | reddi | or better in grub |
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| 12:53.19 | Deek | yeah, mount works too |
| 12:53.29 | reddi | directly in grub there is no solution? |
| 12:53.32 | fireba11 | reddi: i usually create swap first so it's at the start of the HD where it is fastest .. so my / is usually hda5 of so .. ^^ |
| 12:53.38 | reddi | what about the dimension command? |
| 12:53.54 | Dewi | reddi: maybe you should check which partition is root first |
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| 12:54.46 | Deek | I always put root in a logical partition anyway. |
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| 12:55.15 | Deek | Usually, there's a Windows of some flavor on the machine though. |
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| 12:55.19 | reddi | dewi ok when i can login (what i can do...) but: what is if i cannot login and i only have the boot disc with me? |
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| 12:55.31 | reddi | cannot i find out which is the root partion directly? |
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| 12:55.45 | fireba11 | reddi: mount |
| 12:55.45 | Dewi | no, because it's entirely up to the admin |
| 12:55.50 | jm_ | reddi: you could use ext2 labels |
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| 12:56.18 | reddi | fireba11: that works only if i already startet debian, is that correct? what is if i only have the grub commando line ? |
| 12:56.29 | Deek | oooh, a commando line. |
| 12:56.36 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 12:56.41 | reddi | command line |
| 12:56.42 | reddi | sry |
| 12:56.53 | reddi | i am austrian and not an english man sry |
| 12:56.53 | Dewi | don't apologise. we needed some excitement in here. |
| 12:57.00 | MrRei | ello all :) |
| 12:57.08 | Deek | I got it, I was just overcome by that mental image. |
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| 12:57.24 | Deek | Well, I suppose you could just stab in the dark |
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| 12:57.30 | fireba11 | reddi: what about making a 2nd floppy where you can boot from and check the partitons setup ? not that elegant but will work |
| 12:57.33 | Deek | trying hda1, hda2, etc |
| 12:57.35 | jbroome | sneaking through the woods at night, looking for GUIs to assassinate |
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| 12:57.49 | jbroome | beware the commando line! |
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| 12:58.30 | Dewi | jbroome: damn you! that shouldn't be funny |
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| 12:58.49 | Deek | commando: foo: dommand not found, drop and give me twenty! |
| 12:58.49 | sep | reddi, if you get a kernel panic from booting on your hd, what makes you think you'll not get a kernel panic when booting the same kernel from a floppy grub ? |
| 12:58.53 | Deek | command, even |
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| 12:59.26 | MacTen | !set time |
| 12:59.26 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 12:59.26 | fireba11 | sep: good point |
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| 12:59.40 | OleMoudi | I'm browsing metacity conf with gconf-tool but I don't see the option to disable applications (such as gaim) gaining automaticaclly focus when an event happens, any directions? |
| 12:59.42 | Dewi | MacTen: look, if |
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| 12:59.52 | lord_rob | hi ! I cannot compile ipw2200 module with software suspend 2 patch applied on my 2.6.13.2 kernel. any idea why ? |
| 12:59.52 | Dewi | MacTen: look, if "ls" gets the time right, why do you think debian needs setting up? |
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| 13:00.01 | Dewi | MacTen: it's your FTP server or client |
| 13:00.11 | reddi | Deek: no, i dont get kernel panic when i directly boot via hd |
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| 13:00.28 | reddi | Deek: i only whant to try out a bit |
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| 13:00.47 | Deek | that was sep |
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| 13:01.34 | fireba11 | reddi: what you want to try that needs a grub-floppy ? |
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| 13:01.50 | Dewi | OleMoudi: If nobody here knows I suggest asking #gnome |
| 13:02.06 | OleMoudi | ok, thanks |
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| 13:03.08 | spatriciu | resiak : I can set up my interface. I don't know what to do to make my Linux a gateway. the other computer sees my linux, but it cant see anything else (internet) |
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| 13:03.49 | resiak | spatriciu: Sorry, I don't know, but have you checked tldp.org for howtos on this? |
| 13:04.07 | cheal | lord_rob: which ipw2200? |
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| 13:04.28 | spatriciu | resiak: yes, but i didn't found exactly the thing i need. thx |
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| 13:04.44 | boro_O | does anyone know of an ext3-related channel, or some other channel where ext3 knowledgeable people hang out ? |
| 13:05.08 | fireba11 | boro_O: nope .. but what you want tih them ? :-) |
| 13:05.16 | fireba11 | s/tih/with |
| 13:05.25 | boro_O | hm, I messed up ... bad :) |
| 13:05.34 | fireba11 | uh-uh |
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| 13:05.37 | boro_O | and it's all debian's fault ! ;) |
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| 13:05.58 | jm_ | !laugh at boro_O |
| 13:05.59 | oigres | Is it true that one can run linux programs on a MAC? Is MAC using a linux kernel? |
| 13:05.59 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! boro_O just cracks me up! |
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| 13:06.18 | reddi | fireba11: no there is noo need of a floppy for now, but i want to get my external drives bootable on any pc so i need a bootable disc with grub on it and then start the disc from the external drives ;-) |
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| 13:06.27 | fireba11 | oigres: macos X is based on linux if that is what you mean |
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| 13:06.37 | priest | oigres, Mac OS X is built on a Darwin kernel. |
| 13:06.42 | Deek | No it isn't. |
| 13:06.44 | jim | well no, it's based on freebsd |
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| 13:06.50 | Deek | jim: Also no. |
| 13:06.56 | fireba11 | reddi: uhm .. why not just boot of USB ? |
| 13:06.57 | jim | or some *bsd |
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| 13:07.03 | oigres | Ohh! Great. I'll search for that on the web to lear more! Tx! |
| 13:07.03 | boro_O | :) |
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| 13:07.07 | Deek | jim: It's Mach |
| 13:07.13 | fireba11 | jim: err .. close enough ^^ |
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| 13:07.43 | jim | no problem :) we'll just say it's a unix-alike and leave it at that :) |
| 13:07.43 | boro_O | fireba11: I accidentally overwrote a partition, because I messed up the minor number on a block device |
| 13:07.48 | priest | boro_O, you can read about Mac OS X and Darwin at www.apple.com ;) |
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| 13:08.08 | lastdrop | whatever... non-free ~= die |
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| 13:08.20 | reddi | fireba11: cause the drive isnt bootable (maybe it is a bios problem, maybe it is a drive rpoblem, i dont know) |
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| 13:08.32 | fireba11 | boro_O: well fi you didn't USE that partition it should be recoverable |
| 13:08.57 | Deek | jim: The Unixy bits are from NeXT by way of CMU, updated using a little code from FreeBSD. The _userland_ is mostly FreeBSD. |
| 13:08.57 | fireba11 | reddi: use a knoppix CD :-D |
| 13:09.08 | reddi | fireba11: that is what i will do next ;-) |
| 13:09.09 | fireba11 | reddi: only kidding .. |
| 13:09.21 | boro_O | fireba11: I didn't, but I've tried some recovery guides + relevant tools, and none of them are finding my partitions |
| 13:09.24 | reddi | but first of all i only want to learn the command line of grub |
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| 13:09.43 | reddi | if i have found the kernel via the find command -> (hd0,0) |
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| 13:09.54 | reddi | then the root is hda1, isnt it? |
| 13:09.56 | jim | Deek: so the kernel is what, a derivitave? |
| 13:10.17 | fireba11 | boro_O: i got a (commercial) tool that just searches all of your HD and tries to fit into a filesystem .. that should work for your problem, though you need one for ext2/3 :-) |
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| 13:10.38 | jim | reddi: grub might have created a device mapping file for you... look in there |
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| 13:10.59 | ircops | Hey does anybody here have an idea what the best wireless barcode scanner is? I have no experience whatsoever with wireless barcode scanners. |
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| 13:11.17 | ircops | Sorry for the OT ? |
| 13:11.25 | boro_O | fireba11: I was trying to avoid the commercial tools there :p |
| 13:11.25 | jm_ | reddi: no, root in GRUB and rootfs for Linux are two separate things |
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| 13:11.32 | boro_O | it's some more forum time for me, I guess |
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| 13:11.34 | boro_O | thx |
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| 13:12.22 | Deek | jim: Yeah, it's basically a Frankenkernel. |
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| 13:13.21 | Deek | Not to mention a real piece of crap. :) |
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| 13:13.58 | jim | what I found annoying is you couldn't deny permission to an app using plain unix permissions |
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| 13:14.14 | Deek | jim: How so? |
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| 13:14.35 | jim | (of course... a macosx app is really a directory with all the stuff of it in there...) |
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| 13:14.48 | reddi | wherefor do i need setting up initrd ? |
| 13:14.51 | Deek | Yes, I have an OPENSTEP box. :) |
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| 13:15.13 | jm_ | your bootloader loads initrd image, so you have to configure boot loader |
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| 13:15.25 | jim | we tried chmodding the dir representing the app, and people that weren't supposed to run it were able to run it |
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| 13:15.40 | jm_ | spots |
| 13:16.02 | Deek | I got a whitebox OS4. |
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| 13:16.37 | Deek | K6-2 450 with only USB unsupported. |
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| 13:16.50 | tobobo | quick poll |
| 13:16.53 | tobobo | should i go back to sleep |
| 13:16.56 | jim | !polls |
| 13:16.56 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 13:17.02 | cheal | !sleep |
| 13:17.02 | dpkg | i heard sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... |
| 13:17.08 | Deek | (CowboyNeal) |
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| 13:17.16 | tobobo | um, okay |
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| 13:17.39 | jim | tobobo: as far as me, I don't really have that choice |
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| 13:18.18 | jim | as far as you, I don't know you at all... but do know you evidently have the choice :) |
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| 13:18.32 | pabs3 | whats that package that sniffs images off your network and displays them on-screen? |
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| 13:18.50 | jm_ | driftnet - Picks out and displays images from network traffic |
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| 13:19.00 | Deek | Supper this morning will consist of a home-made frappuccino ripoff. |
| 13:19.05 | Deek | :) |
| 13:19.06 | jm_ | took me whole second to find it |
| 13:19.15 | pabs3 | thanks :) |
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| 13:19.29 | jim | net-image-sniffer-and-screeny-displayer? |
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| 13:20.20 | poncha|work | once deteched from terminal (closed stdin/out/err) i can not freopen() them back can i? :) (i mean "get back to where i started") |
| 13:20.28 | jim | I'm curious about something... why do some people so violently dislike tcl? |
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| 13:20.38 | poncha|work | *detached |
| 13:21.06 | jim | deteched... uncomputerized? |
| 13:21.07 | reddi | ok runs.... |
| 13:21.08 | Deek | jim: My theory is that Tk is responsible for that. |
| 13:21.24 | poncha|work | jum: closed all io streams ;) |
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| 13:21.33 | poncha|work | detached |
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| 13:21.50 | cmdKeen | how to make ati radeon 9250 work in xorg without fglrx ? |
| 13:22.09 | jim | oh, I was wondering about deteched :) |
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| 13:22.18 | poncha|work | that was a typo:) |
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| 13:22.36 | jim | I know :) you may have coined a new term :) |
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| 13:22.43 | poncha|work | yeah;) |
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| 13:23.32 | poncha|work | just don't detEch me for that ;))) i am no longer capable of surviving in an uncomuterized environment :) hehe |
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| 13:24.19 | jim | oh, oops :) sorry :) some detech spray leaked out accidently.. |
| 13:24.27 | poncha|work | ouch;) |
| 13:24.52 | Zvpun | I have changed LANG to de_DE.utf8 and locale -a show de_DE.utf8 in the list. Still my console shows weird stuff instead of umlauts. What do I have to do/check next to get utf8 to work? |
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| 13:25.26 | poncha|work | how does screen restore from detached state? it does close the io streams imho when it goes to detached state |
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| 13:25.42 | jim | Deek: I mean, tcl itself is pretty stable (ok, recent versions had a nasty mem leak) |
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| 13:26.01 | poncha|work | otherwise shell would not let it go without closing the screen |
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| 13:26.29 | Deek | jim: Like I said, I'd probably blame Tk for Tcl's relative obscurity. |
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| 13:27.13 | poncha|work | i'll have to dig screen sources ;0) |
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| 13:27.43 | Deek | Tcl was pretty big in the proprietary Unix world until Perl5 came along, though. |
| 13:27.54 | Deek | So maybe that has something to do with it. |
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| 13:28.35 | SuperNinjaKitty | hi all |
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| 13:30.15 | jim | yeah, I'm sorta moderate on tcl myself... the thing I didn't like was this "conditional (and other) structures have to be one line" and the fact that in the beginning I had to solve the problem of "can't do math without expr" about 5-6 times, each time (under which I forgot about expr) took me like 2-3 hours to find... |
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| 13:30.28 | gonza | #j flood |
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| 13:31.47 | Deek | I used to play with Objective-Tcl a bit on my OS4 box. |
| 13:32.06 | jim | there's this thing called xotcl |
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| 13:32.19 | jim | extended object tcl |
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| 13:33.45 | Deek | Objective-Tcl was/is/whatever something that integrated the Objective-C runtime, so you could work with the OpenStep frameworks and use DO to talk to apps. |
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| 13:34.37 | Deek | That last part was its main selling point -- you could use it to script just about all application actions. |
| 13:35.07 | jim | what's the n= actually mean? doesn't mean "not identified to services"... |
| 13:35.27 | jim | oic |
| 13:35.28 | Deek | identd |
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| 13:35.36 | jim | oic |
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| 13:35.52 | Deek | pretty lame, I know. :) |
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| 13:37.00 | Deek | And since you could use the AppKit instead of Tk, it wasn't ugly as hell. :) |
| 13:37.05 | gAri- | hello everybody. my aacraid card says: aacraid: NMI ISR: NMI_PRIMARY_ATU_ERROR, on kernel 2.4.31. any idea what sort of error is this? |
| 13:37.13 | namenick | hi, im very newbie to linux/debian...I've installed debian woody...updated to kernal 2.6...installed package openvpn...and im trying to figure out if it is the vpn daemon that starts on boot...and if so, where do I place openvpns configuration file to affect that daemon? |
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| 13:37.22 | phyrster | which module of kernel controls the display of 'CPU freqency' ? |
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| 13:38.24 | Deek | phyrster: You mean /proc/cpuinfo ? |
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| 13:39.42 | phyrster | Deek: yes, it shows cpu frequency, but it appears static |
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| 13:39.59 | Deek | phyrster: Because it is. |
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| 13:40.21 | fireba11 | namenick: why woody ? it's pretty old .. go with sarge :-) |
| 13:40.22 | phyrster | is there a module or something that shows dynamic / subtle changes |
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| 13:40.30 | Deek | phyrster: Are you thinking of the ACPI speed scaling stuff? |
| 13:40.41 | concept10 | phyrster, do you use gnome? |
| 13:40.49 | SuperNinjaKitty | what is the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 13:41.04 | susp3ct | hi guys... ive compiled vmware from source and when ever I reboot I have to compile everytime :( is there a way to make the install stick? |
| 13:41.07 | phyrster | Deek: not sure. I am using desktop computer. Do I need scaling? will it work? |
| 13:41.11 | phyrster | concept10: e17 |
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| 13:41.43 | phyrster | susp3ct: you have vmware source?? |
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| 13:41.50 | susp3ct | ehh |
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| 13:41.52 | concept10 | phyrster, there are plenty of applets to show cpu speed |
| 13:42.00 | susp3ct | you know what I mean ;) |
| 13:42.16 | Deek | phyrster: Keep in mind that the CPU speed is locked to the AC speed. |
| 13:42.21 | jim | susp3ct: so if not vmware, what have you compiled? |
| 13:42.26 | phyrster | concept10: but all those applets are using CPU modules, right? |
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| 13:42.32 | namenick | so no body can tell me how i might go about figuring out which vpn exactly i have booting on startup? |
| 13:42.40 | susp3ct | I compiled the vmware tarball |
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| 13:42.57 | MacTen | Dewi, hi again |
| 13:43.05 | phyrster | Deek: AC speed |
| 13:43.06 | MacTen | i've found a right way |
| 13:43.08 | concept10 | phyrster, i think you mean kernel modules |
| 13:43.10 | Deek | phyrster: If the CPU isn't getting speedscaled by the kernel, it remains constant. |
| 13:43.11 | jim | hmm, that might be a linux vmware client? |
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| 13:43.19 | phyrster | Deek: what is that? AC speed. |
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| 13:43.32 | phyrster | concept10: the problem is which kernel modules |
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| 13:43.44 | thingfish | what has happened to kernel-source-2.6.11 in etch? |
| 13:43.53 | thingfish | it doesn't appear to be available. |
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| 13:44.01 | Deek | phyrster: The number of cycles per second that the AC power supplies. |
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| 13:44.27 | Deek | phyrster: AC, as in the wall plug. |
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| 13:44.54 | thingfish | !info kernel-source-2.6.11 etch |
| 13:45.14 | fireba11 | thingfish why ? |
| 13:45.15 | jim | maybe it's called linux-source-*? |
| 13:45.17 | concept10 | phyrster, im not sure what type of system that you have .. try this lsmod | grep cpu |
| 13:45.34 | ke6isf | bleah, it's early... |
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| 13:45.50 | Deek | phyrster: The processor does not go faster or slower unless it both has SpeedStep/PowerNow and the kernel tells it to change. |
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| 13:45.57 | phyrster | concept10: it shows nothing, that command |
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| 13:46.10 | thingfish | fireba11: because I would like to use that kernel. |
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| 13:46.17 | Angle | hmm totally off the subject, but what's the word for when someone works say owns their own business and dies, and you're there trying to maintain his/hers .... not heritage, or investment ther'es another word |
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| 13:46.18 | concept10 | phyrster, what type of processor do you have? |
| 13:46.26 | phyrster | Deek: I see. I am using e17 and just want its cpu frequency module work |
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| 13:46.34 | phyrster | concept10: amd tbird 1Ghz |
| 13:46.35 | thingfish | jim: I'll look, but I think it was the last with the old naming convention. |
| 13:46.36 | Deek | phyrster: For what? |
| 13:46.41 | ke6isf | Angle: legacy? |
| 13:46.41 | fireba11 | thingfish: kernel-stuff is renamed in etch .. |
| 13:46.42 | concept10 | Angle, Paris Hilton |
| 13:46.50 | Angle | lol |
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| 13:46.51 | Deek | phyrster: T-birds don't have PowerNow. |
| 13:47.00 | Deek | phyrster: The speed remains constant. |
| 13:47.08 | thingfish | fireba11: I know. |
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| 13:47.21 | Deek | Whatever you see in cpuinfo is the speed of the processor. |
| 13:47.24 | ke6isf | concept10: Yes, it's the new song by the B52s. "Maintaining your Paris Hilton". |
| 13:47.32 | cheal | thingfish: has it ever been there? |
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| 13:47.35 | Angle | not quite, there is a word for protecting a business or whatever that someone spent their lives working for. but heritage isn't the right word |
| 13:47.41 | concept10 | not legacy.... its called something else |
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| 13:47.42 | thingfish | cheal: yes |
| 13:47.46 | Deek | Stewardship? |
| 13:47.46 | fireba11 | thingfish: still .. no precise question .. you get an error trying to download the source, can't find it, can't apt-get it .. ? |
| 13:47.54 | susp3ct | jim, when compiling the vmware source, I see that it adds modules to the kernel tree. I know that have to do something, but I dont know what :(. So pretty much everything works well but when I reboot I will have to start all over again. |
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| 13:48.18 | simonrvn | b52s are still around? hm |
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| 13:48.25 | phyrster | Deek: sometimes the frequencies vaires just by 1/10 Hhz |
| 13:48.26 | thingfish | fireba11: sorry, it is not available - not there to download. never mind. |
| 13:48.27 | Angle | hmm not quite |
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| 13:48.32 | Angle | hmm ho hum.. nevermind :-S |
| 13:48.35 | concept10 | Angle, hier |
| 13:48.36 | phyrster | Deek: and some software shows it |
| 13:48.37 | thingfish | thanks anyway for the help. |
| 13:48.58 | Deek | phyrster: The software can't know that. |
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| 13:49.27 | cheal | thingfish: I don't think kernel-source-2.6.11 ever transitionned to testing |
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| 13:49.52 | Deek | phyrster: Because everything is based on the AC 50/60Hz "timer". |
| 13:49.58 | Rambo3 | my ethernet card is not supported buy net-install CD , how many CD-s do i need for base system. And is there a way to add drivers for my card to net install CD. Ethernet is built in LAN card ALi fast ethernet on ASUS motherboard |
| 13:50.21 | thingfish | cheal: I believe it did, however all 2.6.11 items are gone from etch now. |
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| 13:50.30 | cheal | Rambo3: 1 CD |
| 13:50.39 | Deek | Rambo3: You only need disc 1 for the base system. |
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| 13:50.41 | simonrvn | 2.6.11 was pretty fucked. i'm not surprised it didn't |
| 13:50.42 | thingfish | cheal: thanks, though, I guess I'll have to make do with 2.6.8. |
| 13:51.10 | cheal | thingfish: if 2.6.12 can't help you, yes. see #310244 |
| 13:51.20 | thingfish | cheal: thanks |
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| 13:51.53 | ChristianP | hi all |
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| 13:53.00 | ChristianP | how can i enable desktop sharing in a machine (i need vnc-server or other packages or i have only enable somewhere this option)? |
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| 13:53.22 | petemc | ChristianP: rfb does desktop sharing by default |
| 13:53.55 | ChristianP | petemc, sorry, i'm a newbye: what's rfb? |
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| 13:54.05 | cheal | ChristianP: if you mean having VNC access, you need specific packages |
| 13:54.06 | petemc | ChristianP: apt-cache show rfb |
| 13:54.07 | fwtest | how can i change mouse speed? |
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| 13:54.13 | buzz_ | does anyone know what is included in a monolithic build |
| 13:54.14 | buzz_ | ?? |
| 13:54.35 | cheal | buzz_: what kind of monolithic build? |
| 13:54.40 | Morti | Zombies. |
| 13:54.45 | cheal | fwtest: with cat |
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| 13:54.49 | buzz_ | http://amd64.debian.net/debian-installer/2005-09-24/monolithic/ |
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| 13:55.00 | fwtest | cheal, cat /dev/mouse ? |
| 13:55.27 | cheal | fwtest: hehe, I was just joking. thanks for handling my humor |
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| 13:56.32 | ChristianP | petemc, ok, thanks |
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| 13:56.39 | bob2 | buzz_: #debian-amd64 might know more |
| 13:56.40 | cheal | buzz_: I don't think there's a way to see what's in there from these files |
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| 13:57.06 | buzz_ | cheal: any idea what is usually in there ??? is it the complete everything kernel?? |
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| 13:57.30 | cheal | buzz_: ^^bob2 |
| 13:57.47 | buzz_ | thanks people |
| 13:57.47 | buzz_ | :> |
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| 13:59.00 | ChristianP | cheal, rfb seems doing it! |
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| 13:59.50 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 13:59.57 | cheal | ChristianP: it does for me (since I use KDE) |
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| 14:00.01 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 14:00.02 | nullvoid | how can I only allow one user to login via ssh? |
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| 14:00.21 | ChristianP | ok, cheal |
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| 14:00.31 | cahoot | nullvoid: use AllowUsers |
| 14:00.47 | nullvoid | cahoot: in sshd_config? |
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| 14:00.55 | cahoot | nullvoid: yes |
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| 14:01.27 | nullvoid | just add AllowUser nullvoid |
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| 14:01.52 | nullvoid | do I need any : sign? |
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| 14:02.36 | ChristianP | petemc, but my server seems refuse vnc connections, have i to configure it? |
| 14:02.43 | juniper05 | im trying to mount a windows share and the actual share name is //192.168.0.230/temp filesystem/ However this wont work, nor will /temp\ filesystem/ or the whole thing enclosed in quotes |
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| 14:02.48 | nullvoid | /etc/ssh/sshd_config: line 15: Bad configuration option: AllowUser |
| 14:02.48 | nullvoid | /etc/ssh/sshd_config: terminating, 1 bad configuration options |
| 14:02.57 | cahoot | nullvoid: the man page describes it well - to eliminate any insecurities |
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| 14:03.44 | nullvoid | cahoot: let me check one more time |
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| 14:04.12 | juniper05 | what could be wrong. The complete command im using is mount -t smbfs -o username=name,password=pass //192.168.0.230/temp filesystem/ /mnt/oldserverwork |
| 14:04.12 | cahoot | nullvoid: btw it's the plural form |
| 14:04.13 | cheal | !tell juniper05 about won't work |
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| 14:05.30 | priest | juniper05, are you using "space" in the share name? |
| 14:05.32 | stew | juniper05: are you trying to mount a volume named "temp filesystem"? if so, you need to escape the space |
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| 14:05.44 | stew | juniper05: temp\ filesystem |
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| 14:06.01 | juniper05 | i tried that but it didn't work |
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| 14:06.14 | ChristianP | petemc, cheal, in unstable rfb is not installable. Where can i find it? |
| 14:06.16 | nullvoid | cahoot: not sure on that AllowUser how to use it |
| 14:06.22 | vorsprung | juniper05, I seem to remember it's more complicated than that |
| 14:06.23 | stew | juniper05: try putting the whole argument in quotes, |
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| 14:06.55 | juniper05 | stew: tried |
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| 14:07.17 | cahoot | nullvoid: AllowUsers nullvoid |
| 14:07.18 | vorsprung | If |
| 14:07.19 | vorsprung | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.19 | vorsprung | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.28 | vorsprung | juniper05, see man fstab |
| 14:07.40 | vorsprung | juniper05, it's the character code in octal |
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| 14:08.21 | nullvoid | cahoot: I just put in and I got error when restarting ssh |
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| 14:08.54 | stew | nullvoid: man sshd_config, there is no AllowUser directive |
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| 14:09.04 | Zvpun | where can I tell Gnome to use ALSA instead of OSS? (testing) |
| 14:09.24 | cahoot | nullvoid: AllowUsers - note the 's' |
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| 14:09.34 | streuner | Zvpun: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 14:10.38 | jmg_ | hi, i'm trying to convert an avi file into a series of images .. can anyone point me in the right direction of a tool that can do this |
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| 14:10.38 | cheal | ChristianP: ask #debian-kde |
| 14:10.38 | peej | default exim config barfs after I send lots of mails to myself at localhost very fast. I can't telnet to port 25 at localhost after that for a while. How can I fix that? |
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| 14:10.41 | peej | connection refused message |
| 14:10.42 | EdibleText | jmg_, mplayer/mencoder |
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| 14:10.42 | jmg_ | magic cheers :) |
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| 14:10.44 | Zvpun | streuner: thanks |
| 14:10.44 | H2OyJaBoN | hi ! |
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| 14:10.45 | streuner | Zvpun: what kernel do you using actually? cat /proc/version |
| 14:10.50 | juniper05 | damn, must be something else. thanks nyway |
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| 14:11.29 | SammyTheSnake | has anyone here recently (in the last couple of days) had an error from mysqld saying "mysqld: unknown variable 'old_passwords=1'" ? |
| 14:11.33 | streuner | Zvpun: GNOME has nothing to do with your soundsystem (OSS, ALSA) |
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| 14:11.54 | fireba11 | peej: sounds more lika a feature .. to prevent spamming :-) |
| 14:11.57 | SammyTheSnake | I edited the configuration file to remove the relevant line, but I was wondering if it's a problem with the packages' scripts? |
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| 14:12.15 | juniper05 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:13.52 | nullvoid | cahoot: thanks, I miss the 's' |
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| 14:15.12 | _RaMIK_ | hello :) |
| 14:15.21 | coreyo | the 2.6.12-1 kernel images appear to be built with gcc 4.0.2, however the newest packages are 4.0.1. This presents a problem when trying to compile my vmware modules.... Anyone know of a gcc 4.0.2 package? |
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| 14:15.55 | Octalthorpe | Is it possible to configure libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap to use multiple servers? (I.e., in case the first one fails) |
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| 14:17.13 | cheal | coreyo: it's only a pre-4.0.2 |
| 14:17.15 | _RaMIK_ | i have WinXP and Linux on two antoher partition... If I work under Linux i don't see my file who have name with Language Specific Char for my language |
| 14:17.16 | _RaMIK_ | why? |
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| 14:17.21 | H2OyJaBoN | what is kernel-image (debian package) is a pre-compiled kernel standart? |
| 14:17.58 | fireba11 | H2OyJaBoN ? |
| 14:17.59 | Octalthorpe | H2OyJaBoN : kernel-image, I believe, is a metapackage, which kernel-image-2.N.NN or somesuch provides. |
| 14:18.14 | coreyo | cheal: any way to get a matching compiler so it won't complain? |
| 14:18.28 | fireba11 | coreyo: tried testing ? |
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| 14:18.56 | abrotman | _RaMIK_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:18.59 | H2OyJaBoN | Octalthorpe ok... but is a precompiled kernel? |
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| 14:19.05 | cahoot | SammyTheSnake: according the bts it should have been fixed |
| 14:19.13 | fireba11 | H2OyJaBoN: yes |
| 14:19.23 | coreyo | fireba11: I'm using testing, but it's not in any of the trees |
| 14:19.33 | _RaMIK_ | but this file is invisible under Linux! |
| 14:19.37 | fireba11 | coreyo: uh .. no good |
| 14:19.45 | _RaMIK_ | *files |
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| 14:20.23 | coreyo | I can't believe they would add a kernel image built with a higher version of gcc than was available. They're typically supposed to match within a distro |
| 14:20.34 | Zvpun | streuner: |
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| 14:20.42 | Zvpun | streuner: Linux version 2.4.27-2-686 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-8)) #1 Tue Aug 16 16:31:22 JST 2005 |
| 14:21.08 | Zvpun | streuner: xmms uses ALSA now, but in gnome i can only select oss |
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| 14:21.45 | bob2 | coreyo: the kernel and the compiler tha compiled it could propogate to testing at different times |
| 14:21.56 | Zvpun | streuner: do I need gstreamer0.8-alsa for system sound events? |
| 14:22.03 | H2OyJaBoN | fireba11 ok thank's! is recommendable to use that package? |
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| 14:22.31 | dixit | hello |
| 14:22.35 | fken | hello |
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| 14:22.46 | dixit | UTF8 is an encoding char on 8bits. Another exists please ? |
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| 14:23.05 | fireba11 | H2OyJaBoN: what package ? ther are a lot of different flavours of kernels :-) but usually the precompiled ones are all you need |
| 14:23.10 | fken | the iso one dixit |
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| 14:23.23 | dixit | ok fken thx |
| 14:23.29 | dixit | that's all ? |
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| 14:23.41 | fken | dpkg-reconfigure locales or something like that dixit will allow you to change char set |
| 14:23.42 | fireba11 | dixit: there are a lot of ISO charsets .. .^^ |
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| 14:24.01 | fken | !locales |
| 14:24.02 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
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| 14:24.23 | ke6isf | I have my $HOME/bin being appended to my $PATH in both my .profile and .bash_profile, with the associated export command, yet it doesn't seem to be putting this directory in my $PATH. Is there another file I should be looking at? Running bash in sarge. |
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| 14:24.48 | jjazz | ke6isf: No, that's where you do it. |
| 14:24.53 | dixit | ok thanks fireba11 |
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| 14:25.05 | ke6isf | jjazz: So why would it be ignoring this? =O.o= |
| 14:25.12 | casualtie | Am trying to build a modified tasksel 2.24 deb out of the source here. The readme says I should add a script to the deb so it's located in /usr/lib/tasksel/packages, but how can I do that? : ) |
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| 14:25.19 | stew | ke6isf: are you logging out and back in, or just starting a new shell? |
| 14:25.24 | dixit | i think ISo-859 are 7bits. But maybe ... :) |
| 14:25.32 | ke6isf | stew: Mu. It's always been like this. |
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| 14:25.44 | By-Tor | Well, cdrecord + linux 2.6.12 is completely hozed. |
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| 14:25.53 | ke6isf | stew: In short, I've changed nothing - I've had this setting for years. |
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| 14:26.15 | fken | dixit : are you saying there are char tye coded differently than 8bits ??? |
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| 14:26.22 | pandrew | Hello. I got a file with .jar extention to update Azureus. How can i do it? |
| 14:26.28 | By-Tor | In the case of my drive, cdrecord acted like it was burning the CDs, however neither windows or Linux could read the disk. |
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| 14:26.40 | By-Tor | I switched back to 2.6.6 and burning returned to normal. |
| 14:26.44 | fireba11 | pandrew: just put in correct folder |
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| 14:26.49 | dixit | fken: it's not for me, for a friend .. and i'm french, so :/ dont understand very well ;) |
| 14:26.54 | Octalthorpe | By-Tor : What were you burning? |
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| 14:26.59 | fken | dixit : i learnt when i programmed in c that char means 8bits / 256 char |
| 14:27.01 | pandrew | fireball: wich folder? |
| 14:27.02 | Octalthorpe | By-Tor : ISO9660 or audio? |
| 14:27.04 | By-Tor | Octalthorpe: A standard iso image. |
| 14:27.10 | Zvpun | streuner: all this is very confusing, do I need esd? |
| 14:27.17 | By-Tor | Where should I send the bug report? |
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| 14:27.31 | stew | ke6isf: i'm not sure what you mean by "Mu". but .profile / .bash_profile are only sourced on login shells. see if the PATH is altered when you "su - ke6isf" |
| 14:27.34 | dixit | ok |
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| 14:27.38 | dixit | thank you fken |
| 14:27.42 | fken | dixit : bah en fros qd tu programmes en c tu apprends qu'un caractere fait 8bits car il y a 256possibilités |
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| 14:27.49 | fken | *gros |
| 14:27.52 | fireba11 | pandrew: dunno where azureus "installs" on linux .. it usually stores different versions of the .jar in the same folder and automagically takes the newest one |
| 14:28.09 | Octalthorpe | By-Tor : http://bugs.debian.org/cdrecord |
| 14:28.11 | dixit | ok |
| 14:28.17 | fken | dixit : anyway there is a chan called debian-fr (but i dont like it...) |
| 14:28.29 | dixit | don't lilke it too ;) |
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| 14:28.40 | By-Tor | Octalthorpe: Are you sure cdrecord? Things are burning fine under 2.6.6, its 2.6.12 that has the problem. |
| 14:28.41 | pandrew | fireball: is this jar file something like an executable for java? |
| 14:28.53 | ke6isf | stew: That did it. Good point - this is from within X. Is there another file I should alter accordingly? |
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| 14:28.59 | Octalthorpe | By-Tor : If you'd rather email Linus to complain about software he has nothing to do with, go right ahead... |
| 14:29.28 | stew | ke6isf: have you logged all of the way out and back in since you altered the files? |
| 14:29.33 | By-Tor | Octalthorpe: Hm. Good point. cdrecord should catch up with the kernel, not the other way around. |
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| 14:29.36 | Octalthorpe | By-Tor : Unless you know enough to look at the source and figure out whether it's a problem with the kernel or a problem with cdrecord, start at the bottom and let other people figure it out. |
| 14:29.38 | fken | stew : do you remember my cdrom issue ? I fund the way to make it run : there must be a cdrom in the cdrom reader while computer boot or the issue will keep on happening (no iso9660 module loaded) |
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| 14:29.52 | By-Tor | Octalthorpe: Good idea. |
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| 14:30.05 | ke6isf | stew: Like I said, I've had this setting for years. There's been no change, I just noticed it wasn't picking up this alteration. |
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| 14:30.22 | fken | stew : so now i am looking for someone who know how the peripheral are set during the boot |
| 14:30.25 | By-Tor | help |
| 14:30.27 | By-Tor | er |
| 14:30.29 | By-Tor | sorry |
| 14:30.49 | stew | fken: i remembering you having trouble getting rid of ide_scsi; you shouldn't have to load iso9660 at boot, it should be loaded automatically when you try to mount a iso9660 filesystem |
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| 14:31.39 | pandrew | fireball: is this .jar file something like an executable for java? |
| 14:31.46 | fken | stew: i meant : if there is no cdrom inside during the boot, iso9660 wont be able to be automatically (or manually) run |
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| 14:32.08 | SammyTheSnake | cahoot: maybe I just need to wait for the fix to migrate from unstable to testing, but in the meantime, my little hack gets my website back up :p |
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| 14:32.28 | stew | ke6isf: you login via a dm? |
| 14:32.38 | stew | fken: i find that hard to believe |
| 14:32.38 | fken | stew: maybe i could try gnome to check if the problem comes from the kernel, the xserver or simply kde |
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| 14:32.56 | ke6isf | stew: Yep. |
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| 14:33.13 | pandrew | i found Azureus2.jar in theese : /usr/share/azureus and /usr/share/java witch one should i replace? do i need to change the name of the downloaded file to Azureus2.jar? |
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| 14:33.15 | stew | fken: you try "mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt" or something similar and it doesn't work unless you had a cd in the drive? |
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| 14:33.19 | fken | stew: i realized that everytime the cdrom worked i forgot my cd in the cdrom so it could be that in fact |
| 14:33.30 | stew | fken: and "modprobe iso9660" fails? |
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| 14:33.49 | cahoot | SammyTheSnake: was alluding to your initial question if anyone lese had noticed etc.. |
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| 14:33.55 | bob2 | pandrew: wtf |
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| 14:34.03 | bob2 | pandrew: if you installed that from a package, don't touch it |
| 14:34.04 | dixit | fken: ya quand meme l'ansi qui est sur 7bits ? US-ASCII |
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| 14:34.47 | fken | stew: modprobe fails but never said anything dmesg dont speak about cdrom when i modprobe it |
| 14:35.03 | stew | fken: what error do you get when you "modprobe iso9660" |
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| 14:35.14 | incorrect | if i restart an nfs server, will i cause issues with all my clients using the nfs shares? |
| 14:35.31 | fken | stew: and in fact the cdrom even dont try to read the cdrom when i try to mount it saying its an iso or an udf |
| 14:35.39 | fken | stew : no error |
| 14:35.52 | fken | stew: but system did nothing |
| 14:35.55 | stew | fken: it fails but gives no error? |
| 14:36.00 | stew | fken: how do you know it fails? |
| 14:36.11 | pandrew | bob2: i installed it from package. when i started azureus the first time, it wanted to update: download the Azureus2.3.0.4.jar file. Then it wanted to restart, and then nothing happened. i tought that i needed to be root, so i restarted azureus az root, but still nothing happened. |
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| 14:36.13 | priest | incorrect, no, they continue when the NFS-sever comes up again. |
| 14:36.18 | fken | stew: because lsmod dont answer iso9660 |
| 14:36.19 | morluk | lo |
| 14:36.28 | bob2 | wtf |
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| 14:36.40 | bob2 | pandrew: ignore that notice, or get the tarball and put it in your home dir |
| 14:36.42 | Kepler39 | hello |
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| 14:36.57 | pandrew | so i better don't update it? |
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| 14:36.59 | fken | dixit : in fact char set are coded in 128 visible char or something like that and 128 unvisible |
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| 14:37.20 | pandrew | bob2: so i better don't update it? |
| 14:37.21 | cmdKeen | pandrew: I have Azureus too and it won't patch for me too.... I suppose that is because of package and program version should be the same. |
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| 14:37.25 | stew | fken: do this "modprobe iso9660; echo $?" what does that print out? |
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| 14:38.03 | cmdKeen | pandrew: turn off autoupdate at start and wait for newer package;) |
| 14:38.23 | pandrew | ok, thank you all, bye |
| 14:38.27 | fken | stew: i cannot check now : cdrom is working i just boot with a cdrom inside |
| 14:38.37 | fireba11 | latest azureus updates didn't have anythign important anyway .. ^^ |
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| 14:38.54 | Shadowcat | azureus hasn't changed in ages |
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| 14:39.12 | pandrew | fireball: ok, i guess , if it is something important(security related) then debian will update it too... |
| 14:39.25 | fireba11 | Shadowcat: true, but the package doesn't include the last couple changes |
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| 14:39.35 | cmdKeen | fireba11: that's not true ! There isn't that lovely tab with graphical representation of downloading process in my version... ;) |
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| 14:40.02 | fireba11 | cmdKeen: lol... yes .. and that's about it for the changes |
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| 14:40.37 | stew | fken: so you are asking me to help you figure out a problem that you aren't having, great. |
| 14:40.56 | cmdKeen | fireba11: hehe, i guess it is;) |
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| 14:41.40 | cmdKeen | btw isn't there some non-java as-good-as-Azureus torrent client ? |
| 14:42.04 | Ronin | cmdKeen: ya cmd line torrent client |
| 14:42.06 | stew | cmdKeen: "bittorrent", "bittornado", how you define "as good as" is up to you |
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| 14:42.57 | NS-Sensenmann | question: when i execute "exec gnome-session" """ Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"" comes, what should i do? |
| 14:42.58 | Skrotto | cmdKeen: ktorrent is pretty good. Has some issues with certain sites, though :> |
| 14:43.00 | MaxPower69 | hey guys |
| 14:43.22 | bob2 | NS-Sensenmann: because you haven't started X yet |
| 14:43.25 | MaxPower69 | I got abit of a prob, if u delete a file in root, is there an undelete command please? |
| 14:43.43 | MaxPower69 | root console that is |
| 14:43.49 | fireba11 | ^^ |
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| 14:44.49 | klync | MaxPower69: no there is not |
| 14:44.53 | stew | MaxPower69: what filesystem are you using? |
| 14:44.54 | hogmeat | i have two nic cards, wanted to configure two default routes, is it possible? lots of discussion on USENET about it, basically saying that without customized programming, it could not be done (but does work on other OSes like Solaris). |
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| 14:45.03 | abrotman | !tell MaxPower69 about u |
| 14:45.05 | abrotman | MaxPower69: and no |
| 14:45.07 | NS-Sensenmann | bob2 ... now i get "Fatal server error, no screens found" |
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| 14:45.15 | casualtie | Anyone know tasksel well here? |
| 14:45.15 | casualtie | Couse I need some help adding tasks to it... |
| 14:45.16 | MaxPower69 | stew its ext3 |
| 14:45.23 | stew | MaxPower69: then definately not |
| 14:45.23 | abrotman | adding tasks? .. why? |
| 14:45.28 | MaxPower69 | damn |
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| 14:45.33 | MaxPower69 | thanks anyway |
| 14:45.35 | abrotman | afaik ..you can't just add tasks to it |
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| 14:45.43 | stew | MaxPower69: google for ext3 and undelete and you'll find out why if you care |
| 14:45.47 | cio | Hi all. I'm trying to get apache2 w/php4 support. I have all the packages installed and have uncommented the application type in apache2.conf, but for some reason when I browse a php page, it still doesn't preprocess the file, just tries to send it to the browser. Any help would be greatly apprecaited. |
| 14:46.00 | casualtie | just for testing purpose atm |
| 14:46.03 | abrotman | !undelete |
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| 14:46.07 | abrotman | see! |
| 14:46.10 | fireba11 | cio you need to enable the module |
| 14:46.30 | cio | I have it in modes-enabled ... And that dir is included in apache2.conf ... |
| 14:46.32 | abrotman | casualtie: yes .. but i'm not sure exactly what you're trying to accomplish .. but is tasksel the best way for you to do it ? |
| 14:46.34 | cio | Is there another place? |
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| 14:46.39 | fireba11 | nope |
| 14:46.49 | fireba11 | restarted apache ? (just amking sure ..) |
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| 14:47.01 | cio | Yea, even rebooted for safe measure not that that would make a difference.. |
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| 14:47.13 | klync | cio: you have "AddHandler" lines? |
| 14:47.22 | casualtie | abrotman: if you read this one: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/12/msg01010.html, I wan't to do just what he did |
| 14:47.30 | cio | hrm.. let me look, brb |
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| 14:47.46 | tech9iner | thingfish hey pal |
| 14:47.49 | fireba11 | hm .. i remember that the last time i did tset that u p it took a while foguring out where to activate it ... can't remember though |
| 14:48.01 | pandrew | cio: have you: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 14:48.04 | tech9iner | hmmm |
| 14:48.09 | thingfish | oh |
| 14:48.10 | casualtie | abrotman: But I do not know how he manage do create that onara-list program in /usr/lib/tasksel/packages |
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| 14:48.14 | thingfish | hehe tech9iner |
| 14:48.26 | abrotman | casualtie: then i would recommend /usr/share/doc/tasksel/* |
| 14:48.45 | cio | pandrew: Yep, have that. |
| 14:48.52 | abrotman | you can't be friends with people in #debian |
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| 14:49.14 | casualtie | abrotman: I've read the man, all they say is just: put your program into /usr/lib/tasksel/packages :/ |
| 14:49.19 | cio | klync: No AddHander line for php anywhere, where would it normally go? In the <directory> directive? |
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| 14:50.02 | klync | cio: actually, looking at my apache2 with php5, I see it just has AddType, not AddHandler.... did you edit /etc/conf.d/apache2 to define PHP4? |
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| 14:50.16 | fireba11 | cio i remember needing to edit phpconf though ... |
| 14:50.17 | abrotman | casualtie: i didn't say to read the man page .. look in /usr/share/doc/tasksel/ |
| 14:50.22 | casualtie | abrotman: "which I drop in /usr/lib/tasksel/packages (again in base-config/early_command)", how did he manage to do that? |
| 14:50.26 | NS-Sensenmann | when i want startX i get "Fatal server error, no screens found" how can i fix it? |
| 14:50.28 | casualtie | I do not have such folder |
| 14:50.31 | cio | Yep. |
| 14:50.34 | cio | Hrm.. |
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| 14:50.51 | pandrew | cio: i installed apache, and php4. after that it didn't work. I installed libapache2-mod-php4 , and it worked. I did not need to mess with any configuration files.... |
| 14:50.57 | fireba11 | klync: you got php5 running ? |
| 14:51.01 | abrotman | casualtie: you don't have /usr/lib/tasksel/packages ? |
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| 14:51.18 | pandrew | cio: maybe you shouldn't have modified the configuration files manually(if you did) |
| 14:51.20 | casualtie | abrotman: no |
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| 14:51.22 | klync | cio, fireba11 sorry, wrong window... my advice does not necessarily apply to debian |
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| 14:51.27 | abrotman | casualtie: are you running debian ? |
| 14:51.35 | casualtie | Ubuntu... |
| 14:51.43 | abrotman | then ask them |
| 14:51.46 | abrotman | i have no idea where they put it |
| 14:51.48 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 14:51.48 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 14:51.51 | fireba11 | klync: just want to know how your experiences with php5 so far are .. am thinking about upgrading... |
| 14:51.57 | casualtie | abrotman: heh, ok, thanx for the help anyway:) |
| 14:52.01 | abrotman | have a nice day |
| 14:52.06 | casualtie | you too |
| 14:52.21 | klync | fireba11: there were a couple apps that didn't work quite right, but the fixes were minor... so, make sure you test your apps before going over |
| 14:52.45 | fireba11 | klync: of course |
| 14:52.48 | klync | fireba11: but other than that, it's quite nice, and offers a lot more for the php developer (exception handling, SOAP) |
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| 14:53.08 | fireba11 | klync: kk, thanks for the info |
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| 14:54.59 | smacnay | Is Xorg creeping into "testing"? I am seeing xorgconfig and other such things. |
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| 14:55.12 | streuner | smacnay: /topic |
| 14:55.15 | stew | smacnay: no, it has transitioned completely into testing |
| 14:55.24 | smacnay | ah, thanks |
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| 14:56.33 | fireba11 | !xorg |
| 14:56.33 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.8.2. ask me about <get xorg> |
| 14:56.42 | fireba11 | !get xorg |
| 14:56.42 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 14:56.46 | fireba11 | hm .. |
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| 14:57.11 | smacnay | thanks |
| 14:57.39 | NS-Sensenmann | when i want startX i get "Fatal server error, no screens found" how can i fix it? |
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| 14:58.55 | cio | Ok, completely removed everything, reinstalling ... I did mess with the config .. |
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| 14:59.06 | streuner | NS-Sensenmann: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
| 14:59.28 | cmdKeen | xorg package is XFree86 4.4RC2 ?! |
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| 14:59.34 | streuner | no |
| 14:59.50 | streuner | cmdKeen: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 14:59.59 | smacnay | ah, so I still need to update both x-window-system-core and x-window-system. I see both are not installed. |
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| 15:00.27 | streuner | smacnay: wait |
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| 15:00.35 | smacnay | ok |
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| 15:00.43 | smacnay | streuner: I am waiting |
| 15:00.51 | smacnay | streuner: is it buggy or something? |
| 15:00.57 | streuner | smacnay: what does 'dpkg -l xbase-clients | tail -1' say? |
| 15:00.57 | NS-Sensenmann | streuner 1.st one : Cannot find any working access method | 2.nd i get no answer |
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| 15:01.20 | ryanakca-sick | does postfix need /etc/postfix/postfix-script/ by default? |
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| 15:01.30 | streuner | NS-Sensenmann: laptop? |
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| 15:01.35 | jc_ | good afternoon |
| 15:01.42 | smacnay | streuner: ii xbase-clients 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 miscellaneous X clients |
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| 15:01.46 | NS-Sensenmann | no... Hp 712/60 Risc Workstation ^^ |
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| 15:02.08 | streuner | smacnay: thanks |
| 15:02.28 | streuner | smacnay: x-window-system-core installs you xorg |
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| 15:02.34 | cmdKeen | streuner: how does that relate to xorg ? 'ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data' |
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| 15:02.41 | smacnay | streuner: so I can install it now? |
| 15:02.51 | streuner | smacnay: yes |
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| 15:03.21 | jc_ | I create a restricted shell with chroot, but i need ping command. What's files necessary for this operation ? |
| 15:03.40 | streuner | cmdKeen: well, in sarge you have to use a 'backport' to run xorg.... |
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| 15:03.57 | NS-Sensenmann | (streuner): its a HP 712/60 Risc Workstation ^^ -> what should i do? |
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| 15:04.49 | cmdKeen | streuner: i have etch and xorg running, I just wanted to know difference between xorg a xfree86 |
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| 15:05.11 | streuner | NS-Sensenmann: google, i doubt there are many people who have clues about pa-risc |
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| 15:05.29 | NS-Sensenmann | streuner : thx... |
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| 15:05.55 | takatumi | cmdKeen: license issues, fork, spork. |
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| 15:06.15 | ryanakca | does debian stable's postfix need /etc/postfix/postfix-script by default? |
| 15:06.16 | smacnay | streuner: well, I think my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is needing some work... no screens found. :) |
| 15:06.45 | streuner | NS-Sensenmann: take a look at www.debian.org and subsribe to a mailing-list (ML) if needed too |
| 15:07.04 | streuner | smacnay: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 15:07.37 | cmdKeen | takatumi: oh, I see... |
| 15:07.38 | resiak | debhelper: botsnack |
| 15:07.40 | resiak | :( |
| 15:07.40 | klync | can someone get the bot to tell me about backports again? |
| 15:07.52 | resiak | klync: Why don't you do that? /msg dpkg backports |
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| 15:08.03 | klync | resiak: thx... I forgot the cmd |
| 15:08.07 | klync | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.11 | NS-Sensenmann | (streuner): cant i use a other driver ... he should be able to work in 640X480 and B/W ? |
| 15:08.12 | resiak | Without the space. |
| 15:08.19 | klync | uh, yeah... |
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| 15:08.36 | streuner | smacnay: no idea about such workstations, they are tricky |
| 15:08.39 | streuner | sorry |
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| 15:09.10 | NS-Sensenmann | streuner np... but thx. |
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| 15:10.10 | Helpless | I will pay someone 20.00 bucks via Paypal if they help me setup a website server on Debian with cpanel. |
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| 15:11.04 | By-Tor | Helpless: 20 bucks? Good luck with that. |
| 15:11.20 | By-Tor | Helpless: I get 85/hour for stuff like that. |
| 15:11.31 | Helpless | Well..normally people help for free.. |
| 15:11.45 | concept10 | Helpless, what type of website? |
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| 15:11.58 | By-Tor | Helpless: help == one thing, doing it for you == $$ |
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| 15:12.40 | Helpless | Well I just brought a freakin 3000 dollar server and I want to learn how to run a linux web server with cpanel I currently pay monthly for hosting and I wanna do it myself.. but I dont know much about dns so I keep getting screwed up |
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| 15:13.00 | By-Tor | Helpless: What have you done already? |
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| 15:13.20 | Helpless | lol uninstall and reinstall a hundred times |
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| 15:13.47 | NS-Sensenmann | streuner when i've installed X i got i wizzard... how can i restart this wizzard (he asked mice, resolution....) |
| 15:13.47 | bob2 | if you're going to use cpanel, there's little reason to use Debian |
| 15:13.59 | asg | !drxx NS-Sensenmann |
| 15:14.01 | dpkg | NS-Sensenmann: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:14.01 | Deek | Ahh yes, the old "keep doing the same thing over and over and hope for the best" technique that works in Windows. :) |
| 15:14.02 | concept10 | Helpless, you have a server at home? |
| 15:14.10 | Helpless | I'm currently reinstalling again... |
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| 15:14.14 | Fab22h31 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:14.16 | Helpless | yes |
| 15:14.16 | streuner | NS-Sensenmann: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 15:14.35 | Helpless | But I have fiberconnect so my speeds are awesome |
| 15:14.46 | zepher | Greetings, |
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| 15:15.05 | cmdKeen | Deek: I was writing something like that but you made it sooner:-P |
| 15:15.11 | ryanakca | how do you upgrade from debian stable to debian testing without wiping the whole harddrive? |
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| 15:15.14 | NS-Sensenmann | (streuner): thanks... |
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| 15:15.18 | streuner | warte |
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| 15:15.23 | bob2 | ryanakca: /msg dpkg stable -> testing |
| 15:15.23 | ryanakca | I want to keep all my files, just upgrade the os |
| 15:15.24 | streuner | NS-Sensenmann: http://www.parisc-linux.org/ |
| 15:15.25 | jbroome | ryanakca: change your sources list |
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| 15:15.46 | streuner | NS-Sensenmann: look at this, there are a ML (mailing-list) as well... |
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| 15:16.04 | ircops | Hehehe... my company just purchased a workstation from dell with the Gold Support Plan, and that comes with free training courses online -- I just learned how to scan my computer for Viruses using Norton AntiVirus. lol |
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| 15:16.24 | Helpless | My problem was I installed the full package of Debian then come to find out when trying to install cpanel you cant do it with a full install of debian because guess cpanel installs most of the web services.. |
| 15:16.25 | asuffield | did they also teach you how to unbreak your computer after norton has fucked it? |
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| 15:16.44 | ircops | asuffield: yes... they said put AOL on it, then the problems from Norton would not compare |
| 15:16.45 | EmleyMoor | My printer works very well, except that from Firefox it prints much too large - about 4x normal size, therefore printing only part of the actual page. Why? What do I need to do to fix it? |
| 15:16.47 | DoppelGanger | ha ha its about time you learned how to virusscan :) |
| 15:16.50 | bob2 | Helpless: sounds like you need to talk to cpanel support |
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| 15:16.55 | ryanakca | bob2: no response |
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| 15:17.07 | Helpless | lol they are useless |
| 15:17.15 | NS-Sensenmann | danke dir streuner ... abaer ich glaub es ligr daran dass ich bei install 18 bit statt 8 angegben habe ;) |
| 15:17.25 | Deek | what's this cpanel stuff? |
| 15:17.34 | nkuttler | ryanakca: stable->testing |
| 15:17.35 | asg | Deek: webmin but worse |
| 15:17.37 | Helpless | I'm trying to setup Debian with cpanel |
| 15:17.39 | Deek | eww |
| 15:17.42 | Helpless | and I aint getting anywhere |
| 15:17.44 | bob2 | Helpless: that doesn't makes it our problem |
| 15:17.55 | Helpless | Wow you are a jerk. |
| 15:17.56 | bob2 | i's like webmin, but it takes over *everything* |
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| 15:17.59 | streuner | NS-Sensenmann: 16 bit should be in moste cases ok, only 24 bit is sometimes not supported... |
| 15:18.01 | bob2 | and it's non-free |
| 15:18.05 | bob2 | Helpless: oh, don't be a dick |
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| 15:18.10 | asuffield | and their product appears to be about as useful as their support |
| 15:18.11 | bob2 | Helpless: no one can fix cpanel but the cpanel people |
| 15:18.12 | streuner | NS-Sensenmann: s/moste/most/ |
| 15:18.14 | Deek | non-free? Screw that. |
| 15:18.19 | zepher | I`m having trouble with my ATI, the 3d acceleration in particulair, it works, but it doesnt. I tested in cedega and i passed the test for it, but when i run morrowind it renders the first frame and then my system hangs. |
| 15:18.33 | bob2 | Helpless: if you're paying money for proprietary software, I'd hope you at least get support for your money |
| 15:18.34 | resiak | Helpless: Seriously, you must ask them. Hell, you're _paying_ them. If they're useless ... well, maybe you shouldn't be paying them! |
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| 15:18.39 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 15:18.44 | Helpless | cpanel is the best control panel I have seen. That is why I'm willing to pay the 1500 bucks for it |
| 15:18.52 | gypsymauro | someone knows where gnome 2.10 stores the menu in debian? |
| 15:18.56 | resiak | i386 Supported Distributions: Debian3.0 (BETA) |
| 15:18.59 | gypsymauro | (not the debian menu :) |
| 15:19.00 | stew | god I hate cpanel |
| 15:19.00 | bob2 | holy fuck |
| 15:19.10 | asuffield | I'm rather amused that you're willing to pay $1500 for service that you admit is useless |
| 15:19.10 | bob2 | you paid $1500 and they won't even tell you how to set it up?\ |
| 15:19.12 | bob2 | you got screwed |
| 15:19.16 | Deek | $1500?!? |
| 15:19.25 | asg | Deek: maybe they were Turkish Dollars |
| 15:19.27 | streuner | wow |
| 15:19.28 | Helpless | Yeah they want you to pay for install but that doesnt teach my anything |
| 15:19.31 | resiak | i386 Supported Distributions: Debian3.0 (BETA) |
| 15:19.35 | streuner | 1500 bucks for nothing :-) |
| 15:19.40 | resiak | Ack, sorry, ECLUMSY. |
| 15:19.40 | bob2 | resiak: please stop that |
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| 15:19.59 | resiak | bob2: Sorry, misfocused. |
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| 15:20.16 | bob2 | so, you paid $1500 for something which you don't know how to install, doesn't have support and isn't actually of any use to you? |
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| 15:20.23 | EmleyMoor | What would cause a printer to work fine apart from in Firefox, from which it prints too large? |
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| 15:20.33 | asg | why not just apt-get install apache-doc, read and then configure /etc/apache/* with vi |
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| 15:20.56 | Helpless | Well, it will be of use once I figure out how to do it.. and yes there is support but not irc so it would take me 3 years to setup via a forum |
| 15:20.59 | Deek | EmleyMoor: Blame Firefox, obviously. |
| 15:21.00 | stew | i have to help a couple of our clients who run cpanel. it makes a really huge mess of the server. it installs stuff in /usr/ right overtop of package managed stuff, and all sorts of other nastiness |
| 15:21.08 | bob2 | eep |
| 15:21.38 | asuffield | "our target customer is this guy. he's the only one rich and stupid enough to buy our product" |
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| 15:21.41 | Helpless | Yeah I agree cpanel is annoying but it still is the best control panel.. feature and easy to use wise |
| 15:21.50 | asg | stew: I just turned down some side work admining it on RH for a colo here. Probably $1000 a month or more. Won't do it. |
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| 15:21.58 | grendal_prime | ok now my understanding is that trure transparency works in xserver-xorg? how would i enable this? |
| 15:22.00 | Deek | What does one need a "control panel" for, anyway? |
| 15:22.05 | asg | Helpless: obviously not |
| 15:22.08 | bob2 | Deek: to avoid having to edit config files |
| 15:22.09 | wers | i need growmkisofs, what packet do i install? |
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| 15:22.16 | stew | asg: yeah, we actually "fired" one of our clients cuz we were tired of dealing with it |
| 15:22.18 | bob2 | !+find growisofs |
| 15:22.19 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 15:22.22 | asg | stew: :) |
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| 15:22.36 | wers | bob2 w |
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| 15:22.37 | wers | ? |
| 15:22.43 | Helpless | Control panels allow for you to admin websites plus allow your clients to admin and resell your hosting |
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| 15:22.54 | abrotman | evil things ... |
| 15:22.59 | asg | abrotman: clients? |
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| 15:23.05 | abrotman | control panels |
| 15:23.11 | Deek | Web site administration has to be "allowed"? |
| 15:23.13 | abrotman | i can handle idiot clients ... not idiot admins |
| 15:23.18 | bob2 | if you're going to be selling hosting, you're going to have to learn how to work without cpanel, anyway |
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| 15:23.26 | bob2 | otherwise you're just a liability to your clients |
| 15:23.32 | Helpless | I agree.. |
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| 15:23.44 | Helpless | Hence why i'm in this room 80) |
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| 15:24.07 | wers | what packet provides the executable growisofs? anyone?' |
| 15:24.11 | asg | Helpless: but we don't support it here. |
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| 15:24.13 | concept10 | what do you guys think about the ISPconfig software? |
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| 15:24.45 | Helpless | You dont support cpanel that is fine.. cpanel is easy to install.. my problem is setting up dns ..hostname and FQDN |
| 15:24.55 | fmarostica | Anyone here known ldap tutorial for evolution (address book)? |
| 15:24.59 | asg | Helpless: /msg dpkg hostname ; apt-get install bind-doc |
| 15:25.02 | Deek | wers: dvd+rw-tools |
| 15:25.05 | EmleyMoor | wers: Um... dvd+rw-tools? |
| 15:25.09 | abrotman | fmarostica: #ldap or #openldap |
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| 15:25.17 | abrotman | whichever it is |
| 15:25.18 | wers | DeeK /EmleyMoor.. cheers! |
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| 15:25.39 | stew | Helpless: problem is that with cpanel you ahve to setup your dns in cpanel, and we cannot help you with that |
| 15:25.42 | fmarostica | abrotman, THX |
| 15:25.51 | abrotman | good movie |
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| 15:25.54 | Deek | Helpless: Another thought for your printer thing, maybe xprint |
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| 15:26.01 | Helpless | No, you must first setup your DNS before installing cpanel |
| 15:26.14 | abrotman | Helpless: are you running debian ? |
| 15:26.18 | Helpless | Yeah |
| 15:26.21 | abrotman | which version ? |
| 15:26.27 | bob2 | Helpless: the installer already setup your hostname |
| 15:26.27 | Helpless | The newest |
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| 15:26.39 | abrotman | bob2: not for remote resolution |
| 15:26.42 | Deek | d'oh |
| 15:26.46 | Helpless | yeah what he said |
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| 15:26.51 | bob2 | it did if it could |
| 15:26.51 | abrotman | Helpless: which debian ? |
| 15:26.58 | bob2 | if you're not using DHCP, YHL, HAND, HTH |
| 15:27.01 | zepher | Can anyone help my with my 3D Acceleration? I have an ATI Radeon and a 2.6 kernel. I installed the drivers and the modules, It says it it working. but 3d accelerated games lock the system. |
| 15:27.03 | bob2 | also, add it to /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 15:27.12 | Deek | EmleyMoor: Another thought for your printer thing, maybe xprint -- I have nothing else, AFAIK, that uses it. |
| 15:27.16 | abrotman | Helpless: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:27.18 | Helpless | I'm currently reinstalling with the install while you download not sure what verison it is.. but I'm assuming it is the newest |
| 15:27.28 | baz | anyone know how to recreate a directory tree without copying the files within it? |
| 15:27.36 | abrotman | how the fuck do you call yourself an admin and not know what you're installing ? |
| 15:27.39 | pipline | baz: cp -lR ? :P |
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| 15:27.51 | pipline | baz: or you could feed the output of "find" into cp. |
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| 15:28.05 | Deek | zepher: It's a feature in disguise! Work, don't play games. :) |
| 15:28.08 | baz | pipline: yeah I was thinking about find --dirs or whatever the option is and xargs or something |
| 15:28.13 | abrotman | "Durrr .. Lookie here george .. i found this CD .. let's set up an ISP .. " |
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| 15:28.22 | Deek | bwahaha |
| 15:28.24 | Helpless | I havent called my self an admin. I said that I'm trying to learn. |
| 15:28.24 | pipline | baz: sounds like the easiest way to me. |
| 15:28.26 | smacnay | streuner: Well, it seems to be working now. |
| 15:28.33 | asg | abrotman: sounds like my first ISP |
| 15:28.35 | abrotman | Helpless: it helps to know what you're installing to start with |
| 15:28.36 | zepher | Deek: :P its eerrr a test for 3d applications. yes thats it |
| 15:28.51 | abrotman | Helpless: and it makes it MUCH easier for us to help you |
| 15:28.53 | Helpless | I'm installing Debian newest verison.. that is all I need to know |
| 15:28.54 | Feyr-Wrk | baz: find stuff -type d -exec mkdir /newtree/{} \; |
| 15:28.58 | smacnay | streuner: I need to read up on nvidia and xorg so that I don't load unecessary modules. |
| 15:29.00 | abrotman | Helpless: what was the name of the ISO ? |
| 15:29.12 | bob2 | Helpless: no, that's not very useful, and doesn't indicate a specific version |
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| 15:29.25 | abrotman | i got me a sparkly! |
| 15:29.32 | bob2 | EmleyMoor: heh, I found myself just using gnome's filemanager exclusively |
| 15:29.36 | Deek | Helpless: You don't learn UNIX by screwing around with a "control panel". |
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| 15:29.44 | Danar | i have an mp3 player connected via usb, and mounted, but i don't see anything useful on it. no music, just 5 numbered dirs with empty data files... can anyone help? |
| 15:29.55 | Deek | Helpless: You dive in headfirst. |
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| 15:29.57 | Feyr-Wrk | no, you learn "unix" by writing the control panel yourself |
| 15:29.58 | Danar | and an empty file called 'devices' |
| 15:30.00 | abrotman | Helpless: what is the name of the ISO ? |
| 15:30.18 | Helpless | It is currently in my cd rom I can tell you it is installing |
| 15:30.22 | Deek | Feyr-Wrk: No, that's POSIX. :) |
| 15:30.24 | abrotman | how did you burn it? |
| 15:30.27 | abrotman | what is the name of the ISO? |
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| 15:30.35 | abrotman | where did you download it from? |
| 15:30.35 | [sr] | hi |
| 15:30.42 | Helpless | I burnt it on a laptop that is currently shutdown. |
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| 15:30.50 | Feyr-Wrk | that's a bit too low for a simple control panel IMO :) |
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| 15:30.53 | abrotman | Helpless: turn it on! |
| 15:30.55 | [sr] | i upgraded a package and i said not to overwrite the config files, how can i force it to replace them? |
| 15:30.58 | abrotman | Helpless: STOP BEING VAGUE! |
| 15:30.58 | Helpless | hold on.. I will check there website |
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| 15:31.14 | Feyr-Wrk | i have a control panel backend, written in BASH. it's absolutely ugly, but it work :) |
| 15:31.22 | abrotman | we haven't gotten a single clear answer out of you at all yet |
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| 15:31.37 | Helpless | 31roa |
| 15:31.41 | Danar | anyone know how to work with an mp3 player via usb in debian? |
| 15:31.45 | abrotman | 3.1r0a ? |
| 15:31.50 | Helpless | yeah |
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| 15:31.55 | zepher | I think my problem has something to do with the memory of the agp video card. is that possible (if yes, what is there to do about it?) |
| 15:31.56 | namenick | hi, im a total linux newbie, and im trying to figure out what sarge 2.6 kernal is talking about when it says vpn daemon initiated at startup...any tips? I swear I've searched and searched... |
| 15:32.06 | abrotman | apt-get install bind9-doc .. READ |
| 15:32.12 | bob2 | Helpless: when quoting versions (and errors and logs and ...) you need to copy things *exactly* |
| 15:32.17 | krzysiekd | hello, WHAT ports do i have to open with iptables to allow NFS mounts for other hosts ? |
| 15:32.22 | Deek | Danar: probably shows up as a block device, sda |
| 15:32.43 | bob2 | namenick: the kernel is not saying that |
| 15:33.04 | Danar | Deek: yeh, sda1. it's mounted, but there appears to be nothing useful on it. just empty data files, and numbered dirs. no music |
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| 15:33.19 | Feyr-Wrk | danar, lemme guess, you've got an ipod? |
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| 15:33.25 | Danar | Feyr-Wrk: no |
| 15:33.27 | zepher | Danar: do a ls -a maybe there is secret stuff |
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| 15:33.45 | Danar | zepher: nope |
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| 15:34.01 | nkuttler | Danar: well, what player is it? |
| 15:34.05 | Danar | there's 5 dirs (001, 002, 003, 004, and 005) |
| 15:34.13 | namenick | yeay, pardom me...sorry, i just meant how do I figure out what vpn package sarge is talking about at boot... |
| 15:34.16 | Danar | nksen: rca lyra i think |
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| 15:34.26 | Feyr-Wrk | ok, maybe something similar. some players use a database and hash names to store the music |
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| 15:34.30 | Danar | oh, and an empty file called devices |
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| 15:34.34 | resiak | namenick: It's talking about the one you installed... |
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| 15:34.39 | grendal_prime | so i need a composite manager? |
| 15:34.40 | bob2 | namenick: you need to be less vague |
| 15:34.47 | bob2 | namenick: e.g. show us the actual line you see |
| 15:34.49 | Danar | each folder has an empty file in it called 001 |
| 15:34.52 | krzysiekd | Other question - what ports, (despite 2049) do i have to open ? |
| 15:34.53 | grendal_prime | for transparency in x with xorg |
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| 15:35.00 | Danar | #3 also has a 002 |
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| 15:35.08 | Feyr-Wrk | try to google for your model and "linux", usually there's some good infos :) |
| 15:35.19 | nkuttler | Danar: google product+linux |
| 15:35.26 | Danar | Feyr-Wrk: all i found was a review on amazone that said linux can see it... |
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| 15:35.36 | nkuttler | Danar: search harder |
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| 15:35.52 | Danar | product page doesn't say anything about linux |
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| 15:36.05 | namenick | ok, then it must meen openvpn..just wanted to be able to check...but could u give me a hint about where to find or put the configuration file for this daemon? that would be really helpfull... |
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| 15:36.17 | zepher | namenick, google |
| 15:36.19 | nkuttler | Danar: look, i already found the driver, you should be able to find it too |
| 15:36.22 | zepher | :P |
| 15:36.25 | bob2 | namenick: look in /etc |
| 15:36.33 | bob2 | namenick: it's almost certainly a file or dir named openvpn.blah |
| 15:36.33 | namenick | i swear ive googled and googled... |
| 15:36.43 | namenick | thanks../etc... |
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| 15:36.53 | zepher | namenick, dmesg | grep vpn |
| 15:36.57 | namenick | great thanks... |
| 15:37.22 | Ad4m | czech mirror ? |
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| 15:37.51 | nkuttler | Ad4m: debian mirror? apt-setup |
| 15:38.11 | Danar | RCA Lyra RD1022A |
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| 15:38.32 | Smerdyakov | Are there known dependency issues with Dotdeb MySQL 5 packages now? |
| 15:38.53 | Ad4m | nkuttler: thx |
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| 15:39.29 | Danar | cnet comment says 'It plays MP3 and WMA, and you don't need any special software to load files onto it.' |
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| 15:39.58 | Danar | nkuttler: is it a driver for RCA Lyra RD1022A |
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| 15:40.25 | Deek | Danar: Maybe you can just copy the files in and it will organize it. |
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| 15:40.47 | Danar | Deek: but i should be able to see what's already on there... |
| 15:40.57 | Deek | Danar: Not necessarily. |
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| 15:41.29 | Deek | Drop in, file gets moved into database, etc. |
| 15:41.33 | Danar | well, i want to see what's on there.. and change things |
| 15:41.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'growisofs' (2): (/usr/bin/growisofs) in utils/dvd+rw-tools ;; (/usr/include/kde/k3bgrowisofswriter.h) in libdevel/k3blibs-dev. |
| 15:41.50 | Danar | fix typos, delete certain songs, etc |
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| 15:42.35 | nkuttler | Danar: hmmm... what kernel are you running? >2.6.12 |
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| 15:42.49 | Danar | yep |
| 15:43.00 | asg | damn did it just take 20 minutes for dpkg to return bob2's request for 'find growisofs'? |
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| 15:43.10 | secureboot | can anyone explain how forwardagent works in ssh? I read the man page, and may or may not have understood correctly. |
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| 15:43.20 | nkuttler | Danar: no, the driver is just for the chipset, says nothing about filesystem, http://usbat2.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:43.46 | secureboot | when Alice connects to Bob, if ForwardAgent is on, Alice (on Bob) can use Alice's credentials at another computer? |
| 15:43.47 | nkuttler | Danar: should be what you already use |
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| 15:45.29 | zepher | what file holds which kernel modules are loaded during startup? |
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| 15:45.58 | concept10 | zepher, holds? |
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| 15:46.09 | nkuttler | zepher: /etc/modules, but hotplug etc. may load more stuff |
| 15:46.13 | zepher | has information on |
| 15:46.25 | concept10 | what nkuttler said |
| 15:46.28 | zepher | thanks. i think it loads usb at least 3 different times |
| 15:46.32 | zepher | thanks both :) |
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| 15:46.37 | Feyr-Wrk | secureboot, that's right, except the "credentials" only include the public key, not the password or any special authentication you might have set up |
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| 15:46.45 | SupIAmMike | in my /etc/apt/sources.list i change "stable" to "unstable" and then did a apt-get update apt-get upgrade |
| 15:46.56 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: why did you do that? |
| 15:46.57 | Danar | nkuttler: there's music on it, but debian is saying there's no data on it |
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| 15:47.05 | SupIAmMike | because i wanted to switch |
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| 15:47.10 | SupIAmMike | so my driver would work |
| 15:47.17 | Danar | nkuttler: i'm not sure what to do |
| 15:47.18 | SupIAmMike | because it works in unstable but not stable |
| 15:47.20 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: man apt-get, upgrade is not correct |
| 15:47.26 | Unkaputtbar | could someone give me some answers about debian linux and the Siemens Gigaset USB Adapter 54? Please! |
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| 15:48.08 | nkuttler | Danar: put files on it, see if player recognizes |
| 15:48.25 | Danar | nkuttler: but i don't want to overwrite what's there or something.. |
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| 15:48.36 | SupIAmMike | nkuttler - so anyways while im doing upgrade it eventually finishes downloading and asks me questions about my packages and for one of them it tells me that i shouldnt be in gdm when installing press no to stop and do it later |
| 15:48.38 | nkuttler | Danar: how did you put the music on it? |
| 15:48.39 | SupIAmMike | so i pressed no |
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| 15:48.45 | Danar | nkuttler: in windows |
| 15:48.54 | Danar | nkuttler: it's a friends |
| 15:48.55 | SupIAmMike | do you know how to continue that process when i boot in term? |
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| 15:48.59 | Unkaputtbar | Hello please give me some help! |
| 15:49.05 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 15:49.07 | zepher | ok. where is the modprobe list? |
| 15:49.10 | Danar | nkuttler: he put it on on his computer |
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| 15:49.27 | SupIAmMike | nkuttler - i dont think it was gdm - i think it was glibc or something |
| 15:49.36 | nkuttler | Danar: go to him, save the music... then see if you get it working with linux |
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| 15:49.53 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:50.22 | Danar | nkuttler: if there's anything i can do now, i'd like to do so. but i'd prefer not to risk deleting stuff when i don't know what it might overwrite... |
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| 15:50.40 | nkuttler | Danar: ... use du or ls -a to find hidden files |
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| 15:50.47 | Danar | nkuttler: there are none |
| 15:50.54 | Danar | nkuttler: du says there's no data |
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| 15:51.14 | Danar | nkuttler: just empty files |
| 15:51.19 | nkuttler | Danar: i understand |
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| 15:51.35 | Danar | nkuttler: i don't :p |
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| 15:51.51 | nkuttler | Danar: there are many possible reasons for that. proprietary fs. encrypted/hidden files that only show if you use some windows app... etc |
| 15:52.11 | Danar | nkuttler: likely the latter. there's software that came with it... |
| 15:52.21 | nkuttler | Danar: how surprising |
| 15:52.22 | Danar | nkuttler: (for windows :/) |
| 15:52.40 | nkuttler | Danar: buy a player that you can mount properly |
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| 15:52.47 | debianised | Hey everyone :) Question : Anyone knows about a friendly sftp client ? the one (by default ?) i use on debian sucks, no completion, can't call back a line if i did a typo like in the shell |
| 15:52.52 | debianised | oops |
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| 15:53.01 | Danar | nkuttler: i was hoping i could manage it from linux though :( |
| 15:53.08 | debianised | well, anyways, that's it, even if i didn't finish my sentence |
| 15:53.10 | debianised | :) |
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| 15:53.46 | battlecat | hi I would like to install GNOME 2.12 on my debian system but It is not online. Is there a way to do this? |
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| 15:54.05 | petemc | debianised: what are you comparing it to? |
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| 15:54.28 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 15:54.39 | jjazz | debianised: Are you looking for a gui client? I think sftp is pretty much the way it goes at the commandline. |
| 15:54.45 | oddbjorn | dbus-1-dev: Depends: dbus-1 (= 0.23.4-1) but 0.23.4-3.backports.org.1 is to be installed <- what to do? :| I'm trying to get all the packages needed for apt-get build-dep vlc |
| 15:54.48 | debianised | petemc, i don't compare, i just say those features would be nice, though, if i remember well, i think i header freebsd's client got those |
| 15:54.56 | petemc | debianised: really |
| 15:55.00 | debianised | jjazz, command line one |
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| 15:55.02 | petemc | its just openssh.. |
| 15:55.13 | Feyr-Wrk | considering it's the same codebase, i doubt freebsd's is better |
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| 15:55.27 | stew | battlecat: not currently, now that 2.10 is in etch, 2.12 packages are being worked on |
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| 15:55.41 | Danar | nkuttler: well thanks anyway |
| 15:55.43 | debianised | allright, i'm not here to argue about nothing, i just ask if someone knows about a client having those features |
| 15:55.44 | petemc | debianised: you can use konqueror or nautilus and sftp://user@host |
| 15:55.47 | jjazz | debianised: Yeah, I think you're stuck. |
| 15:56.00 | nkuttler | oddbjorn: backports.org is not official debian, we can't help you if their packages break/are not complete |
| 15:56.06 | Feyr-Wrk | nop sorry, but there's scp which i find vastly superior to sftp |
| 15:56.11 | debianised | petemc, i pretty much like cli, i feel beter with it |
| 15:56.15 | nkuttler | oddbjorn: isn't vlc in debian anyways? |
| 15:56.31 | Feyr-Wrk | and if you want you can install the shfs kernel module to be able to mount an sftp dir as a filesystem |
| 15:56.34 | petemc | debianised: maybe zsh, or try source /etc/bash_completion |
| 15:56.50 | debianised | Feyr-Wrk, humm, k, will have a look at this, have heard about it... thank you |
| 15:56.59 | oddbjorn | nkuttler: well, I have not used any packages from backports.org, this is debian sarge |
| 15:57.22 | debianised | petemc, ok, thanks will try |
| 15:57.23 | nkuttler | oddbjorn: remove the backports sources in your sources.list? |
| 15:57.40 | oddbjorn | nkuttler: and yeah, vlc is in debian sarge, but I want to be able to do a few changes and recompile it |
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| 15:58.04 | Feyr-Wrk | i use scp for all of my file transfert. it lacks command completion for the remove file (that would be hard to do, or really shoddy) but otherwise... :) |
| 15:58.10 | Feyr-Wrk | remote |
| 15:58.19 | resiak | Feyr-Wrk: You lie. |
| 15:58.28 | Gathond | Feyr-Wrk: actually if one combine scp with key auth you can have tab completion |
| 15:58.35 | resiak | Feyr-Wrk: zsh does tab-completion for the remote file in scp, and it works really well. |
| 15:58.37 | oddbjorn | Feyr-Wrk: source /etc/bash_completion and use ssh-public keys |
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| 15:58.54 | Feyr-Wrk | really? that's new to me, i'll take a look :) |
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| 15:59.24 | Gathond | actually you might be able to do it with passwords as well, but kinda destroys the point if one has to login for every press on tab |
| 15:59.24 | oddbjorn | nkuttler: no backports in my sources.list, never has been |
| 15:59.51 | Feyr-Wrk | na, i wrote a couple of scripts to distribute the public keys everywhere, not going back to passwords :) |
| 15:59.56 | nkuttler | oddbjorn: 17:54 < oddbjorn> dbus-1-dev: Depends: dbus-1 (= 0.23.4-1) but 0.23.4-3.backports.org.1 is to be installed... |
| 16:00.21 | nkuttler | oddbjorn: check apt-cache policy dbus-1 |
| 16:00.38 | oddbjorn | I know what it says... my question is; is this a bug in the depedency list for dbus-1-dev? |
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| 16:00.43 | oddbjorn | ..or what? |
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| 16:01.07 | bob2 | rsync is almost always faster than scp |
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| 16:02.10 | bob2 | oddbjorn: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 16:02.46 | nkuttler | oddbjorn: well, what does it say? if an official package lists a backports.org package as a dependency it look like a bug to me |
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| 16:04.58 | bob2 | oddbjorn: and the output of "apt-cache policy dbus-1" |
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| 16:05.49 | nkuttler | bob2: he doesn't seem to want to answer that question |
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| 16:06.03 | oddbjorn | I'm on it |
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| 16:06.13 | oddbjorn | just a sec, waiting for a few things to finish here |
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| 16:07.06 | SupIAmMike | nkuttler - thanks for giving me the sid faq - this is teaching me a lot about the debian distro - there should be more references to the sid faq all over |
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| 16:07.30 | takatumi | debianised: looked at lftp? |
| 16:08.48 | usn | hi folx |
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| 16:09.01 | oddbjorn | ah, lovely! a simple apt-get remove dbus-1; apt-get clean; apt-get install dbus-1; did the trick |
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| 16:09.04 | oddbjorn | must have been my fault |
| 16:09.08 | oddbjorn | my apologies |
| 16:09.25 | SupIAmMike | nkuttler - would it be reasonable for me to use testing? (my problem was that i the order of packages were testing, unstable, stable instead of unstable, testing, stable) |
| 16:09.37 | SupIAmMike | is "testing" usable? |
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| 16:11.54 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: you said you alread did an upgrade to sid? |
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| 16:12.51 | SupIAmMike | well i am going to reformat |
| 16:12.54 | debianised | takatumi, will, thank you |
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| 16:13.00 | debianised | :) |
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| 16:13.20 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: you can run unstable, but it may break |
| 16:13.21 | SupIAmMike | nkuttler - i know i made a mistake - might as well fix it and make sure if i switch to "testing" i will be ok |
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| 16:13.34 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: and testing might break as well... |
| 16:13.46 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: though not as bad as unstable probably |
| 16:13.47 | SupIAmMike | less likely that testing would break though? |
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| 16:13.51 | SupIAmMike | ok |
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| 16:14.12 | SupIAmMike | can i install a testing package on a stable install? |
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| 16:14.19 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: honestly, i ran testing for one or two monts a few years ago and have been using unstable since on my desktop |
| 16:14.24 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: not really |
| 16:14.54 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: there are some ways though, backports.org for example |
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| 16:15.06 | SupIAmMike | nkuttler - well i tried stable but when i installed ipw2200 it broke my system |
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| 16:15.31 | SupIAmMike | so i wanted to try a version of the driver above 1.0.4 |
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| 16:15.52 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: hm... that's some kernel patch, isn't it? |
| 16:16.04 | SupIAmMike | ipw2200 is my wireless card |
| 16:16.07 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: or module source? |
| 16:16.14 | SupIAmMike | module-assistant |
| 16:16.50 | SupIAmMike | type /msg dpkg !ipw2200 |
| 16:16.50 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: you can use a more recent version of the driver in stable, it's kernel-related |
| 16:17.09 | SupIAmMike | is there a way to get a new kernel? without recompiling |
| 16:17.16 | SupIAmMike | like can i just type apt-get install newkernel |
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| 16:17.26 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: probably not, making a new kernel is not very hard |
| 16:17.28 | stew | SupIAmMike: what kernel are you running now? |
| 16:17.38 | SupIAmMike | stable default the 2.6.xxx |
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| 16:17.47 | SupIAmMike | i am reformatting right now |
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| 16:18.08 | stew | SupIAmMike: then no. you have the newest kernel for stable |
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| 16:18.37 | nkuttler | SupIAmMike: why do you think a newer version of the driver will fix your breakage? |
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| 16:18.40 | takatumi | SupIAmMike: since you are on sid now, installing a newer one is possible, linux-image-bla. |
| 16:18.48 | SupIAmMike | when installing debian - looking at a vfat drive when i click use this as it asks me which file system - why is fat32 listed twice |
| 16:18.55 | FaithX | Is there a meta package for compiling X apps? |
| 16:19.03 | takatumi | oh reinstall in process, ignore that. |
| 16:19.03 | FaithX | like build-essential? |
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| 16:22.48 | sunkan | Gnome has been acting a bit funny since a recent update to testing for me, one thing that happens is that sometimes the show desktop applet seems to crash when I log in, if I click reload it works. Is it just my install or is this a problem for all testing users? |
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| 16:25.02 | tdk650m | i need to delete all the files except the ones with .tar.gz extension in a directory |
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| 16:25.33 | tdk650m | i am using rm $(ls -1|grep -v "\.tar.gz$"), it works fine, |
| 16:25.46 | tdk650m | but when I give somethign like |
| 16:26.09 | tdk650m | i want to be able to delete files from a different locations (the above command does it from the current directory) |
| 16:26.13 | tdk650m | i am not able to do it |
| 16:26.18 | tdk650m | any help appreciated |
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| 16:26.43 | nkuttler | tdk650m: man find |
| 16:27.07 | sunkan | tdk650m: You could play with "find /location/ ! -name "*\.tar.gz" -exec rm {} \;".. |
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| 16:27.45 | caphuso | easy with zsh... rm **/^*.tar.gz |
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| 16:28.17 | RichiH | caphuso: ja ja :p |
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| 16:28.31 | darky | rm *^.tar.gz |
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| 16:29.59 | Jamie_85 | Hey all how do you allow specfic users to be able to su - to root |
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| 16:30.13 | caphuso | Jamie_85: tell them the root password |
| 16:30.37 | bob2 | Jamie_85: if you want people to be able to do things as root without giving them the root password, you want sudo |
| 16:30.41 | RichiH | Jamie_85: you need to put them into /etc/sudoers |
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| 16:31.18 | HamidNassiby | Hi All friends |
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| 16:31.32 | HamidNassiby | What does this error message mean? |
| 16:31.33 | sunkan | When we are on the topic, can someone remind me how to do things on all files including "dot-files" ex. "chmod xxx .*" is not so good if I remember sinc it will affect "." and ".." right? |
| 16:31.42 | Jamie_85 | What I meant there is a tool where you can give users permissions to su to root and others will receive permissions denied |
| 16:31.52 | bob2 | Jamie_85: dude |
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| 16:32.00 | HamidNassiby | Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing |
| 16:32.02 | bob2 | Jamie_85: only people who know the root password can use su |
| 16:32.06 | Feyr-Wrk | Jamie_85, that would be sudo |
| 16:32.17 | bob2 | Jamie_85: so you already control who can do it by controlling who you give the password to |
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| 16:32.32 | RichiH | wow, /me totally missed that he said su and not sudo |
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| 16:32.55 | HamidNassiby | This error occurs during startup and shutdown services |
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| 16:33.12 | HamidNassiby | Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing |
| 16:33.21 | resiak | Jamie_85: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-wheel |
| 16:33.21 | HamidNassiby | Can anyone please help me? |
| 16:33.21 | Feyr-Wrk | HamidNassiby, you wouldn't be using vservers by any chance? |
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| 16:33.48 | HamidNassiby | i can start and stop services manually |
| 16:33.48 | Jamie_85 | Thanks resiak :) |
| 16:34.03 | HamidNassiby | but atr boot and shut down time this error occurs |
| 16:34.10 | stew | HamidNassiby: /etc/init.d/servicename stop |
| 16:34.11 | Feyr-Wrk | yes, but some services are not supposed to start in vservers, so they call a fake start-stop-daemon |
| 16:34.11 | pem3v78 | how can I change the cdrom mount point in sources.list ? |
| 16:34.17 | HamidNassiby | even kdm doesnot starts |
| 16:34.25 | HamidNassiby | :( |
| 16:34.34 | resiak | Jamie_85: Read the Debian Reference (yes, all of it) some time. I did, and it's _really_ helpful. |
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| 16:34.37 | Feyr-Wrk | or maybe you got a misplaced script in your real server |
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| 16:34.49 | nkuttler | pem3v78: you probably need to change it in fstab? or with any editor |
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| 16:35.10 | HamidNassiby | by stopping manually the problem will be solved? |
| 16:35.22 | pem3v78 | I changed it, but dselect refuses to work now, it still uses /cdrom as mount point |
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| 16:35.32 | nkuttler | pem3v78: run apt-cdrom |
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| 16:35.38 | pem3v78 | I rerun apt-cdrom |
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| 16:36.04 | nkuttler | pem3v78: where is the cd mounted? |
| 16:36.05 | Feyr-Wrk | HamidNassiby, you'd have to replace the start-stop script with the "real" one |
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| 16:36.20 | pem3v78 | it's not mounted anywhere now |
| 16:36.34 | caphuso | sunkan: question 2.11, http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part2/ |
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| 16:36.40 | HamidNassiby | they are real one |
| 16:36.43 | nkuttler | pem3v78: what exactly is your problem? |
| 16:36.58 | HamidNassiby | for all services at boot time I have this problem |
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| 16:37.38 | Feyr-Wrk | maybe you have the fake script somewhere else in your path |
| 16:37.57 | HamidNassiby | please describe more |
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| 16:38.02 | HamidNassiby | :) |
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| 16:38.53 | sunkan | caphuso: Thanks, thats exactly the page I had seen earlier, just couldn't fint it again... Now it's bookmarked ;) |
| 16:38.56 | pem3v78 | listen. I start with clean sources.list, now I want to change default cdrom mount point from /cdrom to /mnt/cdrom. how ? |
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| 16:39.16 | nkuttler | pem3v78: read man fstab |
| 16:39.20 | pem3v78 | did that |
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| 16:39.30 | pem3v78 | dselect still uses /cdrom |
| 16:39.31 | Zomb | nkuttler: iirc apt mounts /cdrom by default |
| 16:39.38 | nkuttler | Zomb: ah |
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| 16:39.41 | Zomb | pem3v78: use google, you need an apt.conf setting |
| 16:39.42 | nkuttler | stupid apt |
| 16:39.46 | HamidNassiby | Oh i can not start kdm manually |
| 16:39.50 | HamidNassiby | :( |
| 16:40.04 | nkuttler | pem3v78: or make /cdrom a symlink to where it is |
| 16:40.13 | nkuttler | bah |
| 16:40.14 | HamidNassiby | as apache and other services |
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| 16:40.53 | stew | pem3v78: man apt-conf |
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| 16:40.57 | HamidNassiby | debian:/home/nsaba# /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 16:40.58 | stew | err apt.conf |
| 16:40.58 | HamidNassiby | Starting K Display Manager: kdm |
| 16:40.58 | HamidNassiby | Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing. |
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| 16:41.19 | HamidNassiby | Its the error just as occurs |
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| 16:41.26 | Feyr-Wrk | as i said, find the start-stop-daemon and replace it with the real one |
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| 16:41.52 | HamidNassiby | what is the start-stop-daemon? |
| 16:41.56 | Feyr-Wrk | in /sbin/start-stop-daemon usually |
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| 16:42.10 | Feyr-Wrk | it's a script that's used by debian to start and stop daemons :) |
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| 16:42.23 | HamidNassiby | yes i found it |
| 16:42.30 | HamidNassiby | thanks |
| 16:42.38 | HamidNassiby | but where do i find the real one? |
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| 16:43.02 | HamidNassiby | can it be reinstalled? |
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| 16:43.05 | Feyr-Wrk | seems like it's part of the "dpkg" package |
| 16:43.09 | Anthro | I'm looking for a view-only web calendar that can use a .ics file on a password-protected WebDAV share as its source. I did a bit of searching with apt-cache, but the only promising one I found was egroupware-calendar which seems to involve excessive overhead. Any suggestions? |
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| 16:43.32 | HamidNassiby | so I must reinstall dpkg ? |
| 16:43.52 | Feyr-Wrk | probably can't be reinstalled, but if you download the source (apt-get source dpkg) you can probably copy the script over that one |
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| 16:44.36 | HamidNassiby | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.42 | HamidNassiby | is it correct? |
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| 16:44.48 | Feyr-Wrk | i'd think so |
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| 16:44.55 | Jilo | hey |
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| 16:45.24 | sandman | Is there a program to normalize .mpg files? |
| 16:45.26 | HamidNassiby | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.31 | sandman | or video files, like mp3gain does for mp3s? |
| 16:45.32 | wang | hi how do edit file association, like where do i specifiy to have xpdf read .pdf files and have urls launch in mozilla, etc? |
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| 16:45.37 | HamidNassiby | but i can not locate it |
| 16:45.45 | HamidNassiby | it may be a symlink |
| 16:45.47 | Jilo | i just want to know how much deb support is in the 64bit version i want to run a webserver so i need apache mysql sendmail an co |
| 16:45.48 | Feyr-Wrk | locate it using which |
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| 16:45.54 | Feyr-Wrk | which start-stop-daemon.REAL |
| 16:45.58 | Feyr-Wrk | will tell you the complete path |
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| 16:46.32 | HamidNassiby | /sbin/start-stop-daemon.REAL |
| 16:46.37 | HamidNassiby | its real path |
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| 16:47.02 | Feyr-Wrk | so rename the old one and replace it with this one |
| 16:47.13 | HamidNassiby | yes |
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| 16:48.11 | scanwinder | im getting the following error when i try 2 play a mp3 file using mpg123: Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?) |
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| 16:48.19 | scanwinder | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.24 | HamidNassiby | Oh thanks alot |
| 16:48.34 | HamidNassiby | The problem is now solved |
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| 16:48.39 | HamidNassiby | :) |
| 16:48.43 | manu | hi |
| 16:48.52 | wang | hi how do edit file association, like where do i specifiy to have xpdf read .pdf files and have urls launch in mozilla, etc? |
| 16:48.59 | manu | I have a problem configuring my Netgears (ath0) on debian sid |
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| 16:49.10 | HamidNassiby | thanks Feyr-Wrk |
| 16:49.12 | Feyr-Wrk | np |
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| 16:49.27 | manu | I am getting the following message : Ath0 no ipv6 routers present |
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| 16:49.44 | HamidNassiby | it will remain in my mind "Your friendly help" |
| 16:49.54 | HamidNassiby | but another question |
| 16:50.05 | HamidNassiby | why this problem is occured? |
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| 16:50.29 | manu | is the kernel 2.6.12 coming with IPV6 support only? |
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| 16:50.34 | Feyr-Wrk | not sure honestly, i've only ever seen that script in virtual servers setup. how it got on a "real" system is a mystery |
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| 16:50.46 | stew | manu: no, it supports ipv4 |
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| 16:50.57 | krassy1809 | i use debian way to compile and install my new kernell , but i have a problem with booting and i do not have a initrd.img file in /boot/ ? |
| 16:51.07 | HamidNassiby | debian:/home/nsaba# modprobe apm |
| 16:51.08 | HamidNassiby | FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.11.2/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device |
| 16:51.15 | HamidNassiby | this is another problem |
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| 16:51.19 | resiak | krassy1809: You didn't use --initrd when you ran make_kpkg, did you? |
| 16:51.25 | HamidNassiby | how can i solve it too? |
| 16:51.29 | madclicker | what is the diff between "xserver-xorg-dbg" and "xserver-xorg" ? |
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| 16:51.42 | krassy1809 | yes |
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| 16:51.45 | stew | krassy1809: you need to include support for your root filesystem and hard disk controllers directly into the kenrel (not as modules) then, or you can create the initrd by using --initrd on the make-kpkg command line |
| 16:51.53 | DJ_bobby | j'ai besoin d'aide |
| 16:51.58 | DJ_bobby | quelqu'un peu m'aider |
| 16:51.58 | resiak | !fr |
| 16:51.58 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 16:52.04 | Feyr-Wrk | not sure, i haven't played with apm much, but possibly your motherboard doesn't support it |
| 16:52.06 | manu | <stew> so why is my wifi card compplaining that it cannot find an ipv6 router? |
| 16:52.14 | Feyr-Wrk | tried acpi? it's the "newer" version |
| 16:52.16 | resiak | madclicker: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that -dbg probably means a debugging build? :) |
| 16:52.22 | HamidNassiby | oh my board support it |
| 16:52.29 | stew | manu: because it cant. do you expect that it should be able to find a ipv6 router? |
| 16:52.33 | HamidNassiby | how can i stand by system using acpi? |
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| 16:52.48 | Feyr-Wrk | hm modprobe acpi? :) |
| 16:52.55 | HamidNassiby | and then? |
| 16:53.03 | manu | well, here is the deal: I went from comcast cable to qwest DSL. everything use to work on comcase fine for the wifi |
| 16:53.04 | Feyr-Wrk | i mostly deal with servers, so everything power management is disabled on them |
| 16:53.05 | gsnedders | anybody know where i can get a manual for a lex bn780 pro motherboard? |
| 16:53.13 | manu | now that I have a different router it does not seem to work |
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| 16:53.23 | lifeengineer | hi all |
| 16:53.24 | manu | and I get that message |
| 16:53.38 | manu | Ath0: no Ipv6 routers present |
| 16:53.41 | stew | manu: you set up ath0 to use dhcp in interfaces? |
| 16:53.41 | lifeengineer | please what's squid exactly? |
| 16:53.43 | HamidNassiby | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.43 | Feyr-Wrk | after you modprobe it i'd guess you use it pretty much like apm |
| 16:53.45 | madclicker | resiak, and you are right |
| 16:53.46 | manu | yes |
| 16:53.49 | resiak | madclicker: :) |
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| 16:53.57 | HamidNassiby | and it got my system on stand by |
| 16:53.59 | stew | manu: is it associated with the AP? |
| 16:54.00 | Feyr-Wrk | there's probably some acpi utilities too instead of apm |
| 16:54.09 | manu | I can scan it |
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| 16:54.16 | manu | and set it to my own AP |
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| 16:54.34 | stew | manu: what happens when you run "dhclient ath0"? |
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| 16:54.40 | HamidNassiby | but on debian i can not even load the module |
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| 16:54.57 | HamidNassiby | :( |
| 16:55.00 | toresbe | Anyone know or have a link to why 2.12 is so late in Sid? |
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| 16:55.18 | azeem | toresbe: late? |
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| 16:55.22 | Feyr-Wrk | hm dunno sorry, i really don't deal with power management stuff |
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| 16:55.33 | stew | toresbe: /msg dpkg gnome 2.12 |
| 16:55.39 | HamidNassiby | no problem dear friend |
| 16:55.48 | manu | it is trying to acquire but had one error message : receive_packet failed on ath0 : Network is down |
| 16:55.54 | toresbe | stew: cheers |
| 16:56.01 | stew | manu: sounds like its not associated then |
| 16:56.03 | HamidNassiby | i have replaced gdm as my boot login with kdm |
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| 16:56.20 | manu | but everytime I try to restart the neetwor it end up saying: No DHCP OFFERS |
| 16:56.29 | manu | No Working Leases in persisten databse |
| 16:56.33 | HamidNassiby | but i can not run any X -based program on terminal with root permission |
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| 16:56.53 | stew | manu: when you run "/sbin/iwconfig ath0" what do you see in Access Point:? your AP's mac address or all FF:FF.. or all OO:00:.. |
| 16:56.55 | jcdubacq | hello |
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| 16:57.01 | manu | ok |
| 16:57.21 | manu | I have ran iwconfig ath0 essid Myessid |
| 16:57.24 | jcdubacq | my /media directory is empty, so my cdrom do not mount |
| 16:57.28 | HamidNassiby | or another user |
| 16:57.36 | jcdubacq | I fixed it by hand, but anybody knows why ? |
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| 16:59.47 | manu | stew |
| 16:59.52 | manu | I can see my essid |
| 17:00.01 | manu | when I run iwconfig ath0 |
| 17:00.11 | HamidNassiby | I replaced gdm with kdm since then I can not run any x-based program like gedit on terminal |
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| 17:00.21 | HamidNassiby | can anyone help me please? |
| 17:00.23 | manu | I see 00:60:1D .... |
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| 17:02.39 | Myon | whining does not help |
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| 17:03.47 | azeem | HamidNassiby: please do not repeat questions |
| 17:04.10 | azeem | HamidNassiby: are you running the same session than before (which? GNOME or KDE or something else?) |
| 17:04.16 | HamidNassiby | as new friend join us i repeat it |
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| 17:04.44 | HamidNassiby | before it was gdm |
| 17:04.45 | manu | stew?? |
| 17:04.47 | manu | still here? |
| 17:04.50 | HamidNassiby | debian's default |
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| 17:04.53 | azeem | HamidNassiby: that's a sessin manager, not a session |
| 17:04.56 | stew | manu: do you have other machines that successfully get leases from the dhcp server? |
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| 17:05.03 | manu | yes |
| 17:05.04 | wang | what's a mime type? |
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| 17:05.10 | manu | but using ethernet |
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| 17:05.13 | manu | not wifi |
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| 17:05.18 | pem3v78 | great. now cdrom is mounted at /mnt/cdrom. thanks |
| 17:05.21 | resiak | !fgi wang mime+type |
| 17:05.23 | dpkg | wang: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=mime+type |
| 17:05.30 | stew | manu: is your wireless encrypted and you forgot to add a key? |
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| 17:05.40 | manu | I have configured all that properly |
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| 17:05.40 | HamidNassiby | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:05.46 | CrippsFX | hello folks. |
| 17:05.57 | manu | would it be possible that the router (DHCP server) causes the problem? |
| 17:06.03 | azeem | HamidNassiby: what desktop were you running? GNOME? KDE? WindowMaker? |
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| 17:06.08 | stew | manu: it's sounding like it to me |
| 17:06.15 | manu | the funny part is on windows XP the same config works |
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| 17:06.38 | HamidNassiby | i could run same program when gdm was my session manager |
| 17:06.45 | manu | and the only error message I get on linux is the fact that it does not find an IPv6 Router |
| 17:06.47 | HamidNassiby | but now at al |
| 17:06.53 | CrippsFX | I'm trying to set up debian etch (running on kernel 2.6.12 with HALd and hotswap running) so that it will automount my usb thumb drive when I insert it. I can't seem to figure out how to do this, can anyone give a hand? |
| 17:06.59 | azeem | HamidNassiby: which program? |
| 17:07.00 | HamidNassiby | Xserver connection error is what i see |
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| 17:07.24 | HamidNassiby | like gedit |
| 17:07.25 | HamidNassiby | or xine |
| 17:07.25 | HamidNassiby | by running them from terminal |
| 17:07.25 | HamidNassiby | shell |
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| 17:09.08 | EmleyMoor | I am getting "much too large" printing from Firefox - of the order of 4x the size |
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| 17:09.58 | manu | I have looked on google and madwifi and seems like some people have similar problem but without any solutions... |
| 17:10.04 | jess1423 | france |
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| 17:10.14 | Lee__ | could someone point me to documented instructions for setting up an APT repository of custom .debs? |
| 17:10.16 | kuene | krassy1809, man mkinitrd |
| 17:10.18 | jess1423 | moi france |
| 17:10.24 | resiak | krassy1809: You did _not_ supply --initrd to make_kpkg |
| 17:10.25 | resiak | !fr |
| 17:10.25 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 17:10.47 | SuperNinjaKitty | when i try to print from firefox or any other broswer my network printer is not a choice, how do i set up firefox to sent to my printer? |
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| 17:11.03 | Lee__ | !tell SuperNinjaKitty about cups |
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| 17:11.16 | HamidNassiby | azeem:Xserver connection error is what i see now |
| 17:11.25 | Lee__ | !printing |
| 17:11.25 | dpkg | printer is probably a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui |
| 17:11.28 | azeem | HamidNassiby: which terminal, which shell? |
| 17:11.29 | jess1423 | je suis bloquer |
| 17:11.40 | azeem | HamidNassiby: which other programs are running? (GNOME? KDE?) |
| 17:11.48 | lifeengineer | can someone tell me about squid? |
| 17:11.54 | Lee__ | !squid |
| 17:11.54 | dpkg | hmm... squid is the Squid Internet object Cache a fast web proxy server. Its home page is at http://squid.nlanr.net/, or easy to do transproxy with, see http://www.unxsoft.com/transproxy.html, or faster than netscape's own cache, use it!, but uses much more memory, or http://thor.prohosting.com/~nchansy/meal/squid.jpg, or tasty in battered ring form |
| 17:11.58 | HamidNassiby | does not differ konsole or xshell |
| 17:11.59 | SuperNinjaKitty | Lee i have no problem printing from an editor or oo just firefox, obviously cups is working |
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| 17:12.09 | Octavian | hi thee |
| 17:12.13 | madclicker | how do i reconfigure alsa in sarge/ |
| 17:12.15 | madclicker | ? |
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| 17:12.19 | azeem | HamidNassiby: why did you change from gdm to kdm? |
| 17:12.21 | Lee__ | madclicker: alsaconf |
| 17:12.33 | madclicker | Lee__, thanks |
| 17:12.34 | HamidNassiby | both can be run by clicking or alt+f2 then typing command |
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| 17:12.46 | Lee__ | anyone? documentation for setting up a custom APT repo? |
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| 17:12.49 | jess1423 | ya kelle k un?? |
| 17:12.51 | HamidNassiby | because i would use kde most of time |
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| 17:13.12 | Lee__ | SuperNinjaKitty: I had to remove -o raw in a program to print. It might have been FF. |
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| 17:13.54 | lifeengineer | please i need to know what's squid? |
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| 17:14.13 | HamidNassiby | azeem:and when kdm is session manager i can reboot or shut down throw the kmenu |
| 17:14.13 | azeem | lifeengineer: /msg dpkg squid |
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| 17:14.31 | SuperNinjaKitty | Lee i dont see a -o in the command |
| 17:14.32 | azeem | HamidNassiby: you can do that with gdm as well, it might be disabled by default, though |
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| 17:14.36 | Lee__ | !tell lifeengineer about squid |
| 17:15.21 | HamidNassiby | azeem:how can i? |
| 17:15.28 | sandman | How to normalize video files? |
| 17:15.45 | azeem | HamidNassiby: edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 17:15.46 | lifeengineer | thanks |
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| 17:16.46 | HamidNassiby | azeem:and then i will have these selections on kmenu? |
| 17:16.47 | streuner | sandman: normalize, cut action, sex and crime scenes? ;-) |
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| 17:16.53 | azeem | HamidNassiby: the option are SystemMenu and SecureSystemMenu |
| 17:17.01 | azeem | HamidNassiby: no, I was talking about gdm |
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| 17:17.45 | manu | oui |
| 17:17.46 | HamidNassiby | I know about gdm |
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| 17:17.55 | sandman | streuner: Huh? |
| 17:17.59 | HamidNassiby | Iwant to do this from kmenu |
| 17:18.01 | HamidNassiby | not kdm |
| 17:18.06 | sandman | streuner: normalize will work on video files? |
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| 17:18.31 | streuner | sandman: try it |
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| 17:19.21 | HamidNassiby | azeem:when i was using gdm i could do so from gnome-menu |
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| 17:19.27 | streuner | !info normalize |
| 17:19.30 | HamidNassiby | and not from kmenu |
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| 17:19.59 | HamidNassiby | azeem:when I use kdm I can do so from kmenu and not from gnome-menu |
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| 17:20.31 | azeem | HamidNassiby: well, I don't use kdm so I cannot help you with your problem, sorry |
| 17:20.39 | streuner | sandman: normalize - adjust the volume of WAV files to a standard volume level |
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| 17:21.00 | streuner | sandman: and those files aren't in wav... |
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| 17:21.38 | HamidNassiby | how can I convert mpeg2 streams into mpeg1 ? |
| 17:21.48 | Anthro | HamidNassiby: mencoder |
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| 17:22.24 | HamidNassiby | with which options or flags? |
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| 17:23.17 | Anthro | HamidNassiby: That I don't know. Check the man page. |
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| 17:23.49 | HamidNassiby | Anthro:I have used mencoder before;it can convert to avi with a low quality; |
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| 17:24.05 | HamidNassiby | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.46 | eeyore- | hey what's the name of the current stable distro? i'm trying to tell the webhosting guys |
| 17:24.51 | eeyore- | etch is it? |
| 17:24.55 | resiak | Sarge. |
| 17:24.57 | Rogue` | sarge |
| 17:25.06 | eeyore- | and it's what, 3.1? |
| 17:25.07 | Rogue` | etch is testing afaik |
| 17:25.24 | Rogue` | yea |
| 17:25.25 | Anthro | HamidNassiby: Any conversion from one lossy encoding to another will involve reduced quality. In addition, MPEG1 requires more bits for the same quality as compared to MPEG2. |
| 17:25.26 | streuner | eeyore-: sarge |
| 17:25.30 | resiak | eeyore-: Come on, man, you could just look at debian.org |
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| 17:25.34 | streuner | eeyore-: 3.1 is sarge |
| 17:25.39 | streuner | !dpkg sarge |
| 17:25.39 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 17:26.30 | HamidNassiby | Anthro:‌but on damn windows there are many converters with a high quality |
| 17:26.38 | eeyore- | thanks :) |
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| 17:26.59 | help_me | please help_me |
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| 17:27.06 | Anthro | HamidNassiby: If you use the right arguments, mencoder can do just as good a job as anything on Windows. |
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| 17:27.30 | streuner | help_me: /lastlog help_me |
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| 17:27.52 | streuner | !ask |
| 17:27.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 17:29.13 | HamidNassiby | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:30.06 | casualtie | Anyone know tasksel well here? You see I am trying to build a modified tasksel 2.24 deb out of the source here. The readme says I should add a script to the deb so it's located in /usr/lib/tasksel/packages, but how can I do that? |
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| 17:31.46 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 17:31.46 | dpkg | from memory, qotd91 is * Penix has been arsing head for ages |
| 17:31.55 | Anthro | HamidNassiby: I am not a mencoder guru. THere are those who know it deeply. I suggest you find one of them. |
| 17:32.12 | tarzeau | casualtie: in the install target or like the other scripts? |
| 17:32.21 | tarzeau | casualtie: you have the source pkg of tasksel already? |
| 17:32.26 | HamidNassiby | Thanks anthro |
| 17:32.43 | casualtie | tarzeau: yes I have the source |
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| 17:32.59 | tarzeau | casualtie: and the script also? |
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| 17:33.45 | casualtie | tarzeau: Yes I have the script too |
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| 17:33.51 | tarzeau | casualtie: is it online? |
| 17:33.54 | Reilithion | Where can I find a conversion program that can take an .spc file and change it into another type of modular or structured audio file format, like Impulse Tracker or mpeg-4? |
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| 17:34.15 | casualtie | tarzeau: This guy did exactly what I want to do |
| 17:34.26 | casualtie | tarzeau: what you meen with online? |
| 17:34.30 | tarzeau | Reilithion: can your player do write to stdout? |
| 17:34.49 | tarzeau | Reilithion: i do something like this: xmp --stereo -f 44100 -b 16 -d file -o - the.xm | lame -x -r -s 44.1 --bithwidth 16 -m s - the.mp3 |
| 17:34.56 | Reilithion | Yeah, with some concessions |
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| 17:35.06 | tarzeau | Reilithion: spc are snes music files? |
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| 17:35.32 | Reilithion | tarzeau: yes. I'd prefer them in a structured audio format. not a streamed one like mp3 or vorbis |
| 17:35.36 | tarzeau | casualtie: on http:// ? which guy ? |
| 17:35.39 | casualtie | tarzeau: But what that guy managed to do, that I can't do, is to drop that onera-list program into /usr/lib/taskse/packages inside the .deb file :/ |
| 17:35.41 | roler | I am having trouble using devilspie to disable the top bar and border on a gnome-terminal. I copied someone elses .devilspie.xml for this very purpose, but it's still not working. Can anyone shed some light on my situation? |
| 17:35.50 | tarzeau | Reilithion: aha. i don't really get it |
| 17:35.55 | casualtie | ah sry, forgot to give you the url;P |
| 17:36.04 | casualtie | tarzeau: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/12/msg01010.html |
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| 17:36.10 | Reilithion | tarzeau: Like a MIDI file with samples |
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| 17:36.27 | tarzeau | Reilithion: i guess you'll want to hack your spc player source then :) |
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| 17:36.36 | Reilithion | oy. |
| 17:36.39 | casualtie | tarzeau: the script is a simple program that just echo'es what packages you want to install, it's not online |
| 17:36.42 | fken | oyé |
| 17:36.43 | abrotman | :crabpastesmite tarzeau |
| 17:36.47 | abrotman | !crabpastesmite tarzeau |
| 17:36.49 | abrotman | ha! |
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| 17:37.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: i bet you just teached her this for me , right now |
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| 17:37.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. it's actually thomasadam's fault :) |
| 17:37.20 | abrotman | !crabpaste |
| 17:37.20 | dpkg | http://importfood.com/media/cppk0701.jpg or a sandwich spread, nice in sandwiches. thomas_adam owes abrotman a jar or three of this. See <cheesesteak> |
| 17:37.22 | abrotman | see |
| 17:37.40 | EmleyMoor | !cheesesteak |
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| 17:37.46 | dpkg | well, cheesesteak is http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak, or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
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| 17:37.58 | wang | holy crap |
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| 17:38.07 | EmleyMoor | Holy carp! |
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| 17:38.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: look what the fuck you did! |
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| 17:38.15 | freenik | wasn das? |
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| 17:38.25 | tarzeau | freenik: ENGLISH! |
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| 17:38.35 | reticent | wth |
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| 17:38.44 | By-Tor | We're all dead!!! |
| 17:38.51 | reticent | FLEE |
| 17:38.53 | freenik | tarzeau, whats that? ^^ |
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| 17:39.26 | tarzeau | freenik: heh :) i understood it anyways |
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| 17:39.55 | abrotman | omg i sorry! |
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| 17:40.28 | Reilithion | That was quite possibly the /coolest/ bot command I've ever seen! |
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| 17:41.00 | casualtie | tarzeau: do you think you can help me?: ) |
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| 17:41.52 | tarzeau | casualtie: only if you play some nethack until i finish reading your url you gave me |
| 17:42.06 | EmleyMoor | I just wish I could work out why my printer is printing much too large from Firefox |
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| 17:42.51 | tarzeau | what's wrong when my screen shakes, when the train drives by? |
| 17:42.56 | kneet | Wish I knew what the command was - my scrollbuffer's less than that ;) |
| 17:43.05 | casualtie | heh, Roger That tarzeau |
| 17:43.17 | Deek | tarzeau: lemme guess, electric train. |
| 17:43.18 | EmleyMoor | tarzeau: Whole unit or just the image? |
| 17:43.19 | Reilithion | kneet: it was !cheesesteak |
| 17:43.31 | kneet | Ah - not one I use every day then |
| 17:43.42 | tarzeau | EmleyMoor: hehe whole unit shaked on a earthquake once, and i was llike "what the fuck, i can't read the irc" |
| 17:43.47 | tarzeau | EmleyMoor: no just the picture |
| 17:44.02 | tarzeau | Deek: yeah |
| 17:44.10 | tarzeau | Deek: damn, i've never seen you speak here. EVER |
| 17:44.15 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... magnetic disturbance! Same reason they do that on my desk at work when a nearby one is degaussed! |
| 17:44.21 | Deek | tarzeau: EM interference |
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| 17:45.27 | jjazz | tarzeau: CRTs get wavy if you vibrate them. Put a fan on your desk in the summer and turn it on. Your pic will get jittery. |
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| 17:45.52 | jjazz | tarzeau: At least, that's what happens to mine. |
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| 17:46.04 | tarzeau | jjazz: you know this summer got really hot, and i hordered a fan 30 cm diameter. and two weeks later when i got it, the summer ended |
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| 17:46.30 | the1_ts | EmleyMoor: run this command dpkg-reconfigure xprt-common |
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| 17:46.46 | jjazz | tarzeau: The trick is to buy the A/C at the start of summer and return it at the end. ;) |
| 17:46.48 | the1_ts | EmleyMoor: set it to the print size of your printer probably 600dpi |
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| 17:47.02 | EmleyMoor | thel_ts: Not installed |
| 17:47.06 | Reilithion | rofl @ jjazz! |
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| 17:47.22 | the1_ts | EmleyMoor: run it as root ? |
| 17:47.23 | Deek | aaaaargh, waiting for hardware to be delivered is so annoying. |
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| 17:47.34 | EmleyMoor | NOT installed |
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| 17:48.10 | the1_ts | EmleyMoor: Have to find some other way to set the printer to 600dpi, that usually works for me. |
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| 17:48.25 | EmleyMoor | Why is only firefox affected? |
| 17:48.32 | Deek | didn't it get renamed to xprint*? |
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| 17:49.08 | tarzeau | casualtie: you know, i really hate tasksel |
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| 17:49.20 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... also got problems installing dvdbackup as it happens |
| 17:49.20 | tarzeau | casualtie: if you've got your command. why don't you just do apt-get install `yourcommand` -uy ? |
| 17:49.38 | EmleyMoor | Ah, can now see why! |
| 17:49.44 | casualtie | tarzeau: hehe |
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| 17:49.58 | tarzeau | casualtie: if you want yourcommand reachable from everywhere, do it like me: www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/ see nethackd , examples -> telnet linuks.mine.nu 23 or port 27015 or port 65535 |
| 17:50.22 | tarzeau | casualtie: and i've got my well reasons for hating it |
| 17:50.24 | mwilson | EmleyMoor: Don't waste your time with xprint... just remove it and move on. |
| 17:50.31 | Deek | EmleyMoor: Because Mozilla/Firefox are two of a very short list of programs that use xprint |
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| 17:50.51 | Deek | And they require it. |
| 17:50.54 | mwilson | No. |
| 17:50.55 | elnath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:51.08 | EmleyMoor | Ah - needs 300dpi for my printer! |
| 17:51.11 | elnath | oops sorry |
| 17:51.13 | Deek | They appear to Depend on it. :) |
| 17:51.13 | elnath | :) |
| 17:51.17 | mwilson | Mozilla does not, and I thought the crapfox maintainer had regained his sanity and stopped requiring it. |
| 17:51.19 | casualtie | tarzeau: I do not want to add a taskt to tasksel just for using it on my local system. I want to add a task, so I can put my modifed tasksel deb into my sarg.iso, and then install my task on a different computer using that modifed iso |
| 17:51.26 | mwilson | Deek: Moz does not. |
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| 17:51.50 | Deek | OK, I believe you. :) |
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| 17:52.29 | mwilson | xprint's problems start with you having to lie to it if you have anything other than a 300 dpi printer, and get worse from there. |
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| 17:53.02 | tarzeau | casualtie: manually? |
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| 17:53.16 | casualtie | tarzeau: yes |
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| 17:53.30 | outlaw84 | What partitions are recommended to create when installing debian? does any one of you know any good guide for that? |
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| 17:53.44 | roler | what program can I use to disable the border and menu on my gnome-terminal so it can be truly transparent? |
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| 17:53.46 | mwilson | EmleyMoor: Which xprint generally does not, so... |
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| 17:54.01 | FoxTrot- | im having problems with apt-get, any one can help me? i tried to download openoffice and it tries to remove sysvinit and e2fsprogs from my machine, anyone has any idea about how to solve it? |
| 17:54.05 | mwilson | roler: Gnome itself allows you to remove the menu, doesn't it? |
| 17:54.18 | empty | *wow* |
| 17:54.23 | EmleyMoor | I have made it do now - but I will try removing it if possible if it gives me any more Kingston-upon-Hull |
| 17:54.27 | roler | mwilson; the menu yes, I mean the top bar. and border too |
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| 17:54.43 | mwilson | FoxTrot-: What distribution are you running, and what distribution are you trying to fetch the packages from? |
| 17:54.51 | mwilson | roler: It doesn't. |
| 17:55.14 | FoxTrot- | mwilson its a brazilian distro called kurumin |
| 17:55.15 | roler | mwilson; there are programs that do this. such as allray (but you have to have a tray icon) and devilspie. I can't get devilspie to work though. |
| 17:55.21 | CobyComputers | can anyone help me setup mgetty to anwser the phone and pass people through to my internet connection |
| 17:55.21 | FoxTrot- | based upon debian |
| 17:55.33 | mwilson | FoxTrot-: Then why are you surprised that you can't install Debian packages? |
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| 17:56.06 | mwilson | roler: I've never heard of allray, but no, devilspie will not do what you describe. |
| 17:56.07 | FoxTrot- | 'but it never happened before |
| 17:56.31 | mwilson | FoxTrot-: And now it *has* happened. |
| 17:56.39 | roler | mwilson; yes it actually will. My buddy uses it to do just that... I have the .xml config to do so. I just can't get it to work |
| 17:56.45 | roler | mwilson; i've seen it in person on his machine working |
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| 17:56.53 | mwilson | roler: Unlikely. |
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| 17:57.39 | mwilson | roler: I really doubt that metacity understands devilspie's opebox/blackbox-specific no-decoration code. |
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| 17:57.58 | mwilson | roler: Happy to be proven wrong, though... if you can make it work, more power to you. |
| 17:58.11 | pem3v78 | what is the package name of app which shows a list of offcial debian mirrors and add selected to sources.list ? |
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| 17:58.49 | mwilson | Ah, I finally have my fileserver back. What a fsck-up. |
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| 17:59.14 | roler | mwilson; " A window-matching utility, inspired by Sawfish's "Matched Windows" option and the lack of the functionality in Metacity" |
| 17:59.57 | mwilson | roler: Obviously I know what devilspie is, so you feel the need to tell me because...? |
| 18:00.06 | outlaw84 | What partitions are recommended to create when installing debian? does any one of you know any good guide for that? |
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| 18:00.21 | roler | mwilson; that sentence states it's for metacity |
| 18:00.29 | nkuttler | outlaw84: server or desktop? |
| 18:00.37 | fbi | pem3v78: apt-setup ? |
| 18:00.45 | outlaw84 | laptop :P |
| 18:00.52 | nkuttler | outlaw84: one big / |
| 18:01.01 | pem3v78 | ofcourse :) |
| 18:01.26 | mwilson | roler: That sentence says that it was created due to a perceived lack in Metacity. It does not say that metacity supports every function devilspie makes possible. As I said... I'd be happy to be proven wrong about the functionality... feel free. |
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| 18:01.42 | mwilson | roler: But don't quote web pages at me. |
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| 18:03.09 | mwilson | roler: You'll note that way down in v0.4, back in 2004, the notation is made "add an action to set the decorate window hint in OpenBox". |
| 18:03.33 | mwilson | roler: That is an openbox/blackbox-specific atom. |
| 18:04.00 | mwilson | roler: Maybe metacity has the same skill now. I dunno. Go forth and find out. |
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| 18:05.06 | mwilson | roler: It shouldn't be too hard to look at the source and find out what devilspie does to change that property. |
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| 18:07.11 | nashirak | Does anyone know if there is a good DVD audio ripper for debian? |
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| 18:08.37 | mz_work | nashirak: you want to rip autio only from dvd? |
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| 18:09.10 | nashirak | mz_work: Yes |
| 18:09.11 | Iconsumed | It seams like I am forced to use software only avaliable on windows... So I thougth I'd install win2k now... But I wonder if there is any way to get windows to leave the MBR alone? |
| 18:09.26 | EdibleText | nashirak, vsound may work. Havnt tried it myself though |
| 18:09.28 | mz_work | nashirak: that's easy w/ mplayer |
| 18:09.34 | EdibleText | !vsound |
| 18:09.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, vsound is a program that lets you intercept audio data on its way to /dev/dsp and save it to a file |
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| 18:09.36 | eeyore- | Iconsumed: no. but it's trivial to put grub back on |
| 18:09.42 | mz_work | nashirak: is this a live concert dvd or? |
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| 18:10.02 | mwilson | even more trivial to just use NTLDR to boot Linux. |
| 18:10.04 | eeyore- | Iconsumed: just have a grub boot floppy handy, or, keep a knoppix cd around. failing that, you can still use debian install cd, but it's more work. |
| 18:10.16 | simonrvn | like my friends would say, kwe |
| 18:10.17 | nashirak | mz_work: I just want to rip dialog from a dvd and store it as whatever |
| 18:10.18 | eeyore- | mwilson: no, pain in the butt when you upgrade kernels |
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| 18:10.30 | nashirak | EdibleText: I will look at it thx |
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| 18:10.41 | mz_work | nashirak: you can rip spwecific chapters and resample at the same time like so: mplayer -vo null -vc dummy -af volume=10db -af lavcresample=44100 -ao pcm:file=<FILENAME>.wav dvd://2 -chapter 8-8 |
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| 18:10.43 | mwilson | eeyore-: Why? |
| 18:10.50 | eeyore- | mwilson: why upgrade kernels? |
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| 18:11.05 | Iconsumed | mwilson, NTLDR? |
| 18:11.14 | mwilson | No, why would using NTLDR be relevant to whether you upgrade the kernel or not? |
| 18:11.16 | eeyore- | Iconsumed: NT kernel loader |
| 18:11.20 | Iconsumed | aha |
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| 18:11.30 | simonrvn | "i'm going to go to the kernel store today and get me a new kernel. this is one is busted." |
| 18:11.32 | Gnea | eeyore-: the occasional kernel exploit? |
| 18:11.33 | eeyore- | mwilson: i'm not in the mood |
| 18:11.34 | nashirak | mz_work: Sweet thx |
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| 18:11.53 | Gnea | simonrvn: heh |
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| 18:12.18 | mwilson | eeyore-: Neither am I. You made a statement wrong on the face of it, admit it, and move on. There's no relevance. NTLDR can load grub (or lilo) just as easily as the BIOS can. |
| 18:12.18 | Gnea | simonrvn: the way things are going, that just might become a reality |
| 18:13.30 | Iconsumed | eeyore-, ok, so a grub boot floppy,isthat any different from an ordinary linux boot floppy? |
| 18:13.30 | eeyore- | mwilson: i will not be dragged into your self-absorbing discussions |
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| 18:13.31 | simonrvn | Gnea: i dread that day |
| 18:13.31 | Gnea | if a company could ship a custom kernel with its own binary-only code so that its game or whatever could work in linux natively... |
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| 18:13.31 | Iconsumed | eeyore-, and once I have booted onit,what do I do? |
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| 18:13.32 | Gnea | simonrvn: why? debian's policy would prevent the core of it from being touched :) |
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| 18:13.39 | simonrvn | Gnea: i really wouldn't want that to happen, and i'd do whatever possible it doesn't, but i have to agree that that might become reality. |
| 18:13.41 | eeyore- | Iconsumed: you can do two things ... you can make a generic grub boot floppy, or you can make one that's customized to your installation |
| 18:13.43 | pem3v78 | is there a sarge installer with dmraid ? |
| 18:14.22 | eeyore- | Iconsumed: if you make a generic grub boot floppy, once you install windows and reboot, you just insert the grub boot floppy, type a few commands in manually, and reboot into linux. once you're back into linux, you can add the windows boot target |
| 18:14.23 | Iconsumed | eeyore-, oh wait,just remembered my floppy disc drive is broken |
| 18:14.23 | pem3v78 | ls |
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| 18:14.44 | eeyore- | Iconsumed: knoppix boot cd, then |
| 18:15.05 | dupondje | hi guys, i got a weird problem, my keyboard doesn't work well :s only numbers on keypad works, letters doesn't work :s any id ? |
| 18:15.11 | Gnea | simonrvn: the desktop market is already being encroached upon with all of these sub-debian distros. you can disagree with them all you like, you'll still 'win' by keeping the base debian free of it. |
| 18:15.24 | Iconsumed | eeyore-, but you said I could do it with the debian install cd... |
| 18:15.34 | Iconsumed | eeyore-, don't have knoppix |
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| 18:15.35 | eeyore- | Iconsumed: sure, you could. if you wanted :) |
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| 18:15.54 | EdibleText | dupondje, you seem to have doen a fine job cutting and pasting your message though ;) |
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| 18:16.15 | Iconsumed | eeyore-, Do I enter the debian install and install only grub, or what? |
| 18:16.15 | dupondje | well not on this pc ofc :p |
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| 18:16.21 | pem3v78 | how to install bootable iso onto usb stick ? |
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| 18:16.38 | eean | how do you force a particular version of autoconf to be used? |
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| 18:17.08 | scx | Guys: when using OpenOffice, sometimes it changes the a for: A |
| 18:17.16 | scx | where do I fix it ? |
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| 18:17.57 | Iconsumed | eeyore-, I'll just do it and see what problems pop up and fix them asI go. thanks anyway |
| 18:17.58 | bwana147 | scx: there's an autocorrect thingy somewhere |
| 18:17.59 | eeyore- | Iconsumed: no, with the debian install cd, you'd boot it up to where you can to the second console (alt-f2) then once you have the shell, you can mount your / filesystem, chroot into it, and run grub |
| 18:18.04 | bwana147 | lemme check |
| 18:18.11 | simonrvn | Gnea: no, i mean by "market forces", as in coporatistas wanting to make money than they do already by making sure the only way you can the kernel or other software is via a company. i think debian if it is able to resist this, it can be an example of how community can potentially be, despite its warts |
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| 18:18.15 | resiak | scx: In the autocorrect settings. If you can't find it, OOo's channel is probably the right place to ask. |
| 18:18.17 | Iconsumed | eeyore-, ok |
| 18:18.21 | eeyore- | Iconsumed: you need to wait for people to type stuff in --- they're not 100% dedicated to your questions :) |
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| 18:18.43 | Iconsumed | eeyore-, haha, yea... sorry |
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| 18:18.52 | Gnea | simonrvn: hrmmmmmm, good point. ok, i'm with ya on that. |
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| 18:19.09 | simonrvn | Gnea: i had a feeling you were ;) |
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| 18:19.15 | bwana147 | scx: Tools, Autocorrect/Autoformat, then look for the checkboxes that annoy you most |
| 18:19.34 | Gnea | simonrvn: :) |
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| 18:19.55 | scx | Thank You <bwana147> |
| 18:19.56 | eeyore- | so, which one of you guys use webhosting service? and, what kind of rates are you getting? happy with them? |
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| 18:20.32 | resiak | !tell eeyore- -about polls |
| 18:20.34 | eeyore- | i'm looking into getting sitegenie to host our stuff. we used to use them before, and they were pretty good. i'm getting a quote of $330/mo for 90GB of traffic |
| 18:20.35 | abrotman | eeyore-: i pay nothing! .. and get tons of bandwidth! |
| 18:20.36 | scx | OOo's channel is #openoffice.org ? |
| 18:20.43 | resiak | scx: How should I know? |
| 18:20.48 | scx | it's empty |
| 18:20.49 | abrotman | scx: /list |
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| 18:20.59 | Deek | abrotman: Yeah, but fiber splicing equipment is expensive. |
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| 18:21.06 | scx | jeje, ok |
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| 18:21.11 | eeyore- | resiak: we're not always on topic. me doubly so. |
| 18:21.23 | Deek | topic? |
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| 18:21.41 | abrotman | Deek: no .. the electrician doesn't want me to tell his wife he's been nailing some other broad .. free work! |
| 18:21.44 | simonrvn | the thing you see when you type /topic |
| 18:21.58 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:22.00 | eeyore- | simonrvn: hey, i could change /topic, imagine that :) |
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| 18:22.08 | resiak | scx: #openoffice.org is not empty. |
| 18:22.10 | dupondje | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.12 | dupondje | plz :) |
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| 18:22.58 | eeyore- | dupondje: power off your computer and restart? (of course, assuming you didn't do something silly like pressing some FN + function keys) |
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| 18:23.09 | simonrvn | eeyore-: except there's a topic lock heh |
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| 18:23.30 | dupondje | i tryed |
| 18:23.32 | dupondje | doesn't work |
| 18:23.37 | eeyore- | Deek: does the cable have to work afterwards? |
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| 18:23.50 | EdibleText | dupondje, try your spare keyboard |
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| 18:24.01 | dupondje | tryed |
| 18:24.04 | dupondje | didn't work :p |
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| 18:24.29 | eeyore- | dupondje: it could be a number of things :-) if all your keyboards are screwed, maybe you got a problem with your keyboard controller (on the motherboard) |
| 18:24.38 | EdibleText | dupondje, both ps2? perhaps try usb |
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| 18:24.42 | eeyore- | dupondje: have you ruled out software problems first? try booting dos or something |
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| 18:25.19 | eeyore- | dupondje: or, go into the bios and try typing password (see if they show up properly, you know) |
| 18:26.23 | dupondje | hmm |
| 18:26.25 | dupondje | it does :s |
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| 18:26.36 | eeyore- | dupondje: so you got a software problem then? :) |
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| 18:26.41 | dupondje | prolly :) |
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| 18:26.46 | dupondje | but what could it be :p |
| 18:26.58 | eeyore- | dupondje: wrong keyboard model? wrong keymaps? |
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| 18:27.25 | banfs | Hi there.If I wanted to change from gnome to KDE who can I remove all the gnome files and configs at once? I tried apt-get --purge remove gnome but it only takes of gnome...(not the whole thing). |
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| 18:27.55 | CobyComputers | can anyone help me setup mgetty to anwser the phone and pass people through to my internet connection |
| 18:27.59 | dupondje | where to set keymap ? |
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| 18:28.33 | eeyore- | dupondje: /etc/console-tools/* |
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| 18:28.59 | eeyore- | dupondje: /etc/init.d/keymap.sh |
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| 18:32.06 | fbi | banfs: you do realize that you don't have to remove gnome in order to use kde, right |
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| 18:32.20 | fbi | you can have multiple window managers installed |
| 18:32.40 | stew | not that either of those is a window manager :) |
| 18:32.49 | fbi | word stew |
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| 18:34.23 | struct2 | if i have a woody install with apt pinning, and i just do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade would it install the packages for sarge then? |
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| 18:34.40 | mecca | anyone know if something special has to be done to link two cisco catalyst switches together? |
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| 18:34.55 | mecca | a straight-through cable from one to the other offers no link.. do they need xover? |
| 18:35.17 | ulme | is there a soft that i could use to determine what's the bottleneck on my system |
| 18:35.28 | stew | struct2: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
| 18:35.38 | stew | struct2: any reason you aren't upgrading to sarge completely? |
| 18:35.46 | mwilson | mecca: Usually switch-to-switch would require a crossover, yes. |
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| 18:36.03 | mwilson | mecca: Unless the specific switch is documented as supporting auto-MDX. |
| 18:36.15 | mecca | mwilson: ill try it thanks |
| 18:36.19 | ulme | eg too much swapping, too few cpu ticks per unit of time, too high memory r/w latency |
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| 18:36.41 | nvz_ | or has a "switch" to "switch" the "switch" :P |
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| 18:37.13 | stew | !am i swapping is <reply> run |
| 18:37.14 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 18:37.16 | stew | err |
| 18:37.22 | mylanta | I chmoded bin boot dev & etc to -x. the box is still running and I have a root terminal open. any ideas on optimum recovery procedure? |
| 18:37.34 | ulme | i run sarge on cele466/128MB/40GB-8MBcache |
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| 18:37.47 | stew | !no am i swapping is <reply> run "vmstat 3" and ignore the first line, if the "so" column is not 0s all the time you are swapping |
| 18:37.47 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 18:37.53 | mwilson | nvz_: This is why you actually review the documentation for the switch before you use it, if you're not specifically familiar with it. |
| 18:37.57 | ulme | fluxbox, firefox, the regular thing |
| 18:38.33 | ulme | now what i would like to know is wether adding another 128MB would help a lot or just a little |
| 18:38.57 | dannym | I forgot how the command was to update the package metadata for a local directory ... i.e. I copied some new .debs in there and now want them to be found |
| 18:39.00 | nvz | mwilson: you've got to be kidding me? you know real men never read documentation. those little things are considered "extra parts" and usually thrown away |
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| 18:39.15 | dannym | any ideas ? |
| 18:39.31 | bgat | can someone tell my why the stock kernel-image-2.6.12-1-k7 is loading i2o_core when 2.6.8-1-k7 didn't? |
| 18:39.38 | nvz | dpkg, any ideas? |
| 18:39.38 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little WD-40, and a handful of sex-crazed hamsters. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 18:40.10 | dannym | :D |
| 18:40.19 | nvz | dannym: unfortunatly thats not how it works the cache is built from package and release files |
| 18:40.30 | nvz | dannym: you have to make that dir an official repository |
| 18:40.45 | fbi | ok, what's the Cabal. |
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| 18:40.55 | nvz | dannym: maybe look at apt-move |
| 18:41.01 | nvz | dpkg, Cabal? |
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| 18:41.01 | dpkg | There is no cabal |
| 18:41.03 | dannym | nvz: hmm |
| 18:41.06 | nvz | :P |
| 18:41.09 | stew | !tinc |
| 18:41.09 | dpkg | http://www.tinc-vpn.org/ or There Is No Cabal |
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| 18:41.12 | Lee__ | MacGuyver reference perhaps? |
| 18:41.14 | Xenguy | TINC |
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| 18:42.48 | nvz | dannym: though I don't see the point really if you have some packages and know they are there you just dpkg -i them and be done with it |
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| 18:42.52 | dannym | nvz: the actual thing I want to get working is : ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/languages/pascal/fpc/dist/i386-linux-2.0.0/deb/ |
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| 18:42.58 | dannym | nvz: ah ? that works ? |
| 18:43.02 | dannym | nvz: good to know |
| 18:43.04 | nvz | dannym: of course |
| 18:43.14 | azeem | dpkg, tinc is also http://tinc.debian.net/ |
| 18:43.15 | dpkg | okay, azeem |
| 18:43.15 | nvz | dannym: what the hell do you think apt-get does |
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| 18:43.36 | nvz | dannym: apt-get is only for fetching packages it uses dpkg for everything els |
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| 18:43.47 | dannym | nvz: I see |
| 18:44.31 | nvz | I dont know why I was so tired. must have been the drugs.. heh I still cant hardly open my eyes |
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| 18:49.10 | mylanta | well, at least nobody laughed at me :( |
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| 18:50.22 | fbi | mylanta: oh i laughed, i was just too busy to type "haha" |
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| 18:52.03 | mylanta | I was begining to doubt that anyone believed me :) |
| 18:52.33 | mylanta | fbi: thanks |
| 18:52.34 | phar0z | hi |
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| 18:53.36 | eeyore- | mylanta: did you chmod -R ? |
| 18:53.59 | eeyore- | mylanta: what exactly did you do, command please |
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| 18:57.35 | mylanta | eeyore: chmod -R a-x . /* |
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| 18:57.47 | stew | doh |
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| 18:58.01 | stew | thank god for backups! |
| 18:58.03 | stew | right? |
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| 18:58.57 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:59.08 | scx | suggestions? |
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| 18:59.45 | mylanta | stew: no data at risk, I stopped it after boot bin dev etc |
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| 19:00.26 | nkuttler | mylanta: well... |
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| 19:01.24 | mylanta | scx: greg egan |
| 19:01.24 | stew | mylanta: "find /etc/ -perm +100" on a non-broken box might get you started on a list of things to fix |
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| 19:06.15 | namenick | i did rm - r apache2 on accident...is there any way i can get it back now? |
| 19:06.24 | namenick | (i realize im a amoron) |
| 19:06.36 | bucky | !seen lilo |
| 19:06.36 | dpkg | lilo <i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 13h 23m 37s ago, saying: 'they've raised the puerile to a high art'. |
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| 19:07.23 | bucky | namenick, what did it remove? /etc/apache2 ? |
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| 19:07.32 | namenick | yeah\ |
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| 19:09.16 | stew | namenick: if you are on ext3, there is no undelete, if that is what you are after |
| 19:09.21 | Helpless | Hey I just setup my webserver and I'm trying to get my dns setup.. I did dnsreport.com for mousewonders.net and everything seem to be without errors.. however when I ping mousewonders.net it says it was unable to locate the hostname can anyone help me with this? |
| 19:09.40 | namenick | yeah im on ext3 i believe... |
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| 19:09.49 | pandrew | Hello. How can i make all files(filenames) in a folder littlecase |
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| 19:10.49 | namenick | the folder was unmodified before i deleted it...how can i get a copy back in place? |
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| 19:11.05 | namenick | or something.... |
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| 19:11.24 | nkuttler | namenick: did you remove /etc/apache2 ? |
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| 19:11.33 | namenick | yeah |
| 19:11.41 | nkuttler | namenick: purge the package, reinstall |
| 19:12.04 | Stabilisator | Hi |
| 19:12.14 | stew | pandrew: rename 'y/A-Z/a-z/' folder/* |
| 19:12.16 | Stabilisator | I search a good slideshow app. Anyone know one? |
| 19:12.27 | bwana147 | Stabilisator: web based ? |
| 19:12.29 | namenick | thanks..any quick tips on how to purge a package? |
| 19:12.39 | nkuttler | namenick: yes, man apt-get :) |
| 19:12.42 | cahoot | Stabilisator: feh is usable |
| 19:12.45 | RichiH | apt-get remove --purge foo |
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| 19:13.05 | stew | namenick: you might need to --purge apache2-common as well |
| 19:13.07 | Stabilisator | hmm i don't have php installed on the laptop. html, flash or javascript are ok |
| 19:13.19 | Stabilisator | it is for an digital picture frame |
| 19:13.33 | namenick | thanks... |
| 19:13.35 | namenick | foo? |
| 19:13.39 | Phr0zenKore_ | hi all |
| 19:13.40 | CobyComputers | how do I mount the cd-rom so I can get a file off of it |
| 19:13.41 | stew | namenick: probably better than --purgin is --reinstall with confmiss /msg dpkg confmiss ; this way you don't have to remove packages depeding on a webserver |
| 19:13.47 | nkuttler | !foo |
| 19:13.47 | dpkg | from memory, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/foo.html> and <bar> |
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| 19:13.57 | Phr0zenKore_ | found a nice pic of a firefox anime girl. : http://www.thefilehut.com/userfiles/jpbardiau/mangas/mangas_ff_07.jpg |
| 19:14.18 | Phr0zenKore_ | oh sorry, wrong channel |
| 19:14.19 | Phr0zenKore_ | o_O |
| 19:14.24 | bucky | namenick, maybe you can cd into /var/cache/apt/archives/ and run dpkg -i --force-all apache2-common as root or su |
| 19:14.30 | bwana147 | Stabilisator: you want to generate HTML pages to wrap your pictures in or a standalone GUI app to run the slideshow off your computer ? |
| 19:14.33 | RichiH | Phr0zenKore_: yes, i guessed as much |
| 19:14.55 | Stabilisator | can i start fehl on command line or start with a special folder on startup? |
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| 19:15.16 | bwana147 | Stabilisator: both |
| 19:15.23 | namenick | reinstall with confmiss... |
| 19:15.25 | Stabilisator | yes gui |
| 19:15.30 | bwana147 | feh as tons of command line options |
| 19:15.35 | Stabilisator | nice |
| 19:15.37 | boil | Hi there ... I have an Abit AN8 Ultra SKT939 NF4 with gigabit lan ... and when a friend of mine (error403) tried to install debian ... it didn't recognise the onboard lan. Anyone got any sugestions? |
| 19:15.41 | Stabilisator | thank you for the tip... |
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| 19:16.07 | bwana147 | feh is also *very* fast |
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| 19:16.42 | bwana147 | I stopped using it because it would too often save the changes to the files I add looked at (and rotated) |
| 19:16.56 | bwana147 | but failed to leave the EXIF information intact while doing so |
| 19:16.56 | Gnea | Stabilisator: feh doesn't have its own gui, though, but it can be used in conjunction with some sort of file browser as a mime handler |
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| 19:17.30 | Gnea | bwana147: it doesn't save by default, it will actually ask you |
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| 19:17.48 | bwana147 | as a many-featured picture browser/viewer, gwenview is quite nice also |
| 19:17.52 | Gnea | unless you tell your ~/.fehrc differently |
| 19:18.00 | Stabilisator | puhh @Gnea.....iam a debian newbie....i only work on a simply picture frame as present for my father. |
| 19:18.33 | Gnea | Stabilisator: oh, you just need something to crop and edit? |
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| 19:18.48 | one_2_one | hi all |
| 19:18.56 | Stabilisator | i only need a simple slideshow thats starts on startup |
| 19:19.03 | Gnea | ah |
| 19:19.04 | bwana147 | Gnea: yes, but I didn't want my wife to unawarily overwrite the EXIF header, and saving was just too easy with feh |
| 19:19.12 | Gnea | yes, feh will do that quite nicely |
| 19:19.30 | Gnea | bwana147: that's what backups are for ;) |
| 19:19.43 | bwana147 | Gnea ;-) |
| 19:19.56 | bwana147 | I'm running out of disk space |
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| 19:20.16 | bwana147 | and photos are filling up most of it, so too bad for backups |
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| 19:20.30 | namenick | stew: can u help me with the specific syntax for the --reinstall with confmiss command suggestion? |
| 19:20.31 | bwana147 | anyway, feh is great, really |
| 19:20.38 | one_2_one | i have a MB asus P5DG1 and on installing debian it dont find HDs (i think is because raid...) (mandrake live recognizes well) what sollution i have to install debian ? |
| 19:20.44 | Gnea | bwana147: no cdwriter? |
| 19:20.53 | bwana147 | Gnea: sure |
| 19:20.57 | Gnea | one_2_one: hardware raid? |
| 19:21.03 | nkuttler | namenick: purge and install is easier |
| 19:21.13 | Gnea | bwana147: no, i'm asking if you have a cdwriter or not |
| 19:21.22 | bwana147 | I do, I do |
| 19:21.25 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 19:21.27 | Gnea | :) |
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| 19:21.39 | stew | namenick: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 19:21.42 | Gnea | just get some blanks and go nuts |
| 19:21.44 | bwana147 | I just don't do backups as often as I should... |
| 19:21.45 | stew | namenick: its right there in the factoid |
| 19:21.59 | Gnea | yeah, i didn't either, and i'm paying for it BIGTIME ... |
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| 19:22.10 | one_2_one | gnea motherboard has that |
| 19:22.13 | Gnea | but at work, i have a backup system that works perfectly |
| 19:22.20 | Gnea | so weird |
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| 19:22.42 | one_2_one | uhm |
| 19:22.52 | Gnea | one_2_one: are you hitting enter at the debian install prompt or are you trying linux26 (the 2.6 kernel option)? |
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| 19:23.03 | nkuttler | stew: will stuff like modules be reinstalled with that? |
| 19:23.15 | namenick | would it be ok if i used synaptic package manager to remove then reinstall apache2 since im a newbie uncomfortable using too much command line? |
| 19:23.30 | Stabi | re...timeout |
| 19:23.32 | Stabi | ok i download it and burn it on cd. On the laptop is no network adapter. |
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| 19:24.02 | By-Tor | Did the !cheescake thing get fixed/ |
| 19:24.03 | one_2_one | Gnea its on pre installation |
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| 19:24.15 | By-Tor | Did the !cheesecake thing get fixed/ |
| 19:24.19 | By-Tor | darn |
| 19:24.22 | By-Tor | No more fun ;) |
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| 19:24.26 | caranthir | What's the name of the package that has all the little sounds for gnome? Like the login sound, the clicks and beeps when you minimize, maximize, etc |
| 19:24.26 | BiZToRo | in postfix... the size limit of mail is in byts or ..? |
| 19:24.42 | BiZToRo | limit of mail box evnđ |
| 19:24.46 | Phr0zenKore_ | [AMSG] Moet gaan, doei allemaal :P // Have to go, bye all :P [/amsg] |
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| 19:25.32 | Gnea | one_2_one: what chipset is it? |
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| 19:25.38 | FoxTrot- | anyone knows the name of the package which comes nslookup? |
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| 19:25.52 | nkuttler | namenick: apt-get remove --purge apache2 apache2-common |
| 19:26.00 | nkuttler | FoxTrot-: /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:26.20 | BiZToRo | FoxTrot-, why to use nslookup if you have dig? |
| 19:26.27 | bwana147 | dpkg -S nslookup |
| 19:26.29 | dpkg | Dingos ate my nslookup! |
| 19:26.32 | FoxTrot- | whats the dig package? |
| 19:26.35 | bwana147 | dnsutils |
| 19:26.35 | FoxTrot- | i tried to download dig |
| 19:26.38 | nkuttler | bwana147: that searches installed packages |
| 19:26.51 | one_2_one | in installation cant go more then i go to an shell option.. then i mount asus MB cd... then go to linux drivers.. and have files there... and typing make it is not installed :S (debian 3.1r0a) |
| 19:26.53 | bwana147 | nkuttler: thanks |
| 19:26.55 | LSorensen | who use 'nslookup' when 'host' replaced it years ago |
| 19:26.57 | namenick | thank you everyone |
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| 19:27.09 | stew | nkuttler: --reinstall would only reinstall packges you tell it to. the confmiss option means if a conffile is gone recreate it (normally a conffile that is gone is considered a conffile that was removed on purpose and isn't recreated) |
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| 19:27.38 | Gnea | one_2_one: right, make isn't installed by default unless you tell it to install development files |
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| 19:27.51 | one_2_one | Gnea intel 915p chipset |
| 19:27.51 | one_2_one | and how ? |
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| 19:28.21 | cmdKeen | I installed xfonts-artwiz but flux themes still use default fonts... have I missed something ? |
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| 19:28.57 | cmdKeen | *default font |
| 19:29.00 | nkuttler | stew: erm, i know. you told namenick to use --force-confmiss, but he removed /etc/apache2 completely |
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| 19:29.24 | stew | nkuttler: yes, exactly, if he just --reinstalled without the confmiss, /etc/apache2 wouldn't be recreated |
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| 19:29.41 | nkuttler | stew: ok, i get it now |
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| 19:30.33 | one_2_one | Gnea do you know if exist any debian cd with that raid driver ? |
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| 19:30.43 | one_2_one | to recognize hds |
| 19:30.48 | stew | but whatever, purging and installing is fine too, i was just suggesting --reinstall just so he wouln't have to also install the packages that depend on apache2 |
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| 19:31.03 | Gnea | one_2_one: i'm not sure - you don't recall the module name in another distro? |
| 19:31.13 | fken | hmmm |
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| 19:31.45 | fken | dont laugh at me but i realize i never had to create a dir with a commandline before... whats the command ? |
| 19:31.46 | stew | one_2_one: did you try installing with the 2.6 kenrel? |
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| 19:31.54 | Anthro | fken: mkdir |
| 19:31.57 | Anthro | !pal fken |
| 19:32.05 | stew | can't believe he is on etch... |
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| 19:32.29 | one_2_one | stew that is an option off debian install cd ? |
| 19:32.37 | one_2_one | use 2.6 kernel |
| 19:32.44 | stew | one_2_one: yea, linux26 at the command prompt |
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| 19:32.50 | stew | err boot: prompt rather |
| 19:32.51 | one_2_one | k |
| 19:32.58 | mylanta | eeyore-: about that "chmod -R a-x . /*" is there anything I can do with the running box, or will I need to reboot to knoppix? |
| 19:33.00 | fken | Anthro: i knew it was makedir meaning but md nor makedir worked lol |
| 19:33.02 | one_2_one | letme try |
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| 19:33.04 | one_2_one | brb |
| 19:33.07 | scx | come on I need to read something interesting, I'm bored |
| 19:33.08 | one_2_one | and thks =) |
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| 19:33.15 | scx | recommend me a book |
| 19:33.39 | Anthro | scx: _Never_Have_Your_Dog_Stuffed_ by Alan Alda. |
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| 19:34.12 | fken | Anthro:i learnt 3 different way to know who i am on a bash but i am not able to create a dir ... pffff |
| 19:34.15 | cmdKeen | scx: The Little Prince ? |
| 19:34.18 | fken | whoiam |
| 19:34.23 | Anthro | fken: Impress me some more! |
| 19:34.28 | Anthro | !pal fken |
| 19:34.38 | Daveman | hooray |
| 19:34.45 | fken | Anthro:pffff |
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| 19:34.55 | fken | !pal Anthro too |
| 19:35.05 | simonrvn | !botabuse |
| 19:35.05 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 19:35.14 | fken | lol |
| 19:35.14 | Anthro | fken: I'll enlighten you, but don't expect me to validate your ignorance. |
| 19:35.31 | fken | Anthro:pffff |
| 19:35.31 | error403 | Does anybody know if there is a newer Debian installer that has support for nForce4 chipset motherboards, specifically in the LAN department |
| 19:36.01 | megatron | oie gente |
| 19:36.02 | fken | error403: i have nforce4 motherboard and it is working |
| 19:36.20 | stew | fken: as a homework assignment tonight, do this: "ls /bin | xargs -n1 man" |
| 19:36.21 | error403 | fken, which installer did you use? |
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| 19:36.41 | error403 | fken, Debian Disk 1, or netinstall? |
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| 19:36.47 | error403 | and what kernel? |
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| 19:36.47 | cmdKeen | lol |
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| 19:37.55 | fken | error403: i need the disk 1 but its because of my net configuration |
| 19:37.58 | Anthro | stew: Oh, that should be a factoid |
| 19:38.09 | daxxar | !unstable |
| 19:38.09 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
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| 19:38.18 | fken | stew: what ? |
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| 19:38.47 | error403 | fken, how so? |
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| 19:39.02 | cmdKeen | fken: execute that command and read;) |
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| 19:39.27 | error403 | fken, did it recognise your network interface straight away? and are you running stable? |
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| 19:40.09 | fken | error403: 1) i installed stable and then i dist-uprade to testing |
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| 19:40.19 | CobyComputers | how do a copy a file |
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| 19:40.29 | error403 | fken, so your network worked straight away then? |
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| 19:40.31 | fken | is how so a polite way to say what ? |
| 19:40.38 | fken | not really |
| 19:40.39 | nkuttler | CobyComputers: man cp |
| 19:40.48 | fken | i needed to run pppoeconf |
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| 19:41.52 | CobyComputers | sorry I am new to debian and I am being hasseled by a custermer as well.. was wondering what the command to copy a file was? |
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| 19:42.05 | stew | CobyComputers: its "cp" man cp |
| 19:42.16 | CobyComputers | thanks stew |
| 19:42.54 | namenick | before i tried to purge apache2 and apache2-common should i have made sure that the apache daemon was shut down? after i reinstalled those two things I got an error about port 80 being used already and now the default page doesnt load... |
| 19:42.58 | joergd | all: is there a way in aptitude to determine in the package's detail view which of the available versions belong to which dist (etch, sid, sarge,...) |
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| 19:43.16 | edtux | oi |
| 19:43.31 | green_earz | CobyComputers: bookmark the link it a very handy debian doc > " Debian Reference " > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
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| 19:43.59 | error403 | fken, what i meant is, did the installer have the kernel module for your network interface already? |
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| 19:44.26 | one_2_one | :s |
| 19:44.32 | error403 | fken, yours is gigabit lan yes? |
| 19:44.34 | one_2_one | same thing |
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| 19:45.11 | fken | no msi |
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| 19:45.35 | fken | why does $ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/cal3d login not work? |
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| 19:45.56 | fken | it ask me a password and when i type enter it refuses to work |
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| 19:46.31 | cmdKeen | joergd: I know many people prefer or must use terminal-based utils but I can't help it... do you know about synaptic ? |
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| 19:47.09 | namenick | how do i shutdown apache2 daemon? |
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| 19:47.36 | nkuttler | namenick: /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 19:47.36 | TKA|Lari | /etc/inint.d/apache2 stop |
| 19:47.44 | namenick | thanks |
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| 19:47.53 | TKA|Lari | nop |
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| 19:48.10 | joergd | cmdKeen: yes, but i wasn't comfortable with functionality. aptitude seems to be much better at dependency resolution (esp. in mixed-dist envs.) |
| 19:48.26 | Anthro | fken: What do you expect it to do? |
| 19:48.34 | nkuttler | nop... isn't that 65xx assembly? |
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| 19:48.35 | michan | i'm trying to install nvidia drivers for my new card, but when i install the nvidia-glx package and reboot, X just has a blank screen. can anyone help me? |
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| 19:49.18 | fken | Anthro to log me and then allow me to download a software |
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| 19:49.31 | CobyComputers | can anyone tell me how to find out if debian is seening the secound proccessor in my server? |
| 19:49.34 | cmdKeen | joergd: does it ? I thought synaptic is just graphical aptitude... thanks for info;) |
| 19:49.35 | Anthro | fken: Right. And what did it do? |
| 19:49.43 | noid_ | what is the correct way to compile a kernel with a gcc different than the symlink at /usr/bin ? |
| 19:49.47 | fken | cvs [login aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
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| 19:49.49 | bayab00m | hi |
| 19:50.06 | nkuttler | Cope: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:50.09 | nkuttler | bah |
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| 19:50.16 | nkuttler | CobyComputers: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:50.23 | akusarujin | anyone know if aterm has utf-8 support? |
| 19:50.26 | jjazz | noid_: Edit the makefile. There's a line that tells it what command to use for cc. Point it at your preferred compiler. |
| 19:50.32 | TKA|Lari | michan look here http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/index.html |
| 19:50.34 | nkuttler | akusarujin: the man page? |
| 19:50.39 | noid_ | jjazz: ok thanks |
| 19:50.41 | akusarujin | nkuttler: it doesn't mention it. |
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| 19:51.18 | fken | cvs checkout: CVS password file /root/.cvspass does not exist - creating a new file |
| 19:51.42 | stew | fken: you shouldn't be running cvs as root |
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| 19:52.00 | fken | oh ok |
| 19:52.01 | joergd | cmdKeen: maybe synaptic improved in the meantime, but I tried many deb frontends and found aptitude the most intelligent |
| 19:52.10 | CobyComputers | thank-you.. I just got a IBM netvista 5500 ML10 XEON Duel processor server. since I have been playing with debian on it I have not seen the secound processor light blink.. |
| 19:52.13 | Anthro | fken: And besides, that denotes success. |
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| 19:52.30 | joergd | unfortunately I can't find a way to show version/dist relations ;) |
| 19:52.34 | stew | CobyComputers: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:52.36 | fken | stew but i need to install the program in /usr/local |
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| 19:52.42 | fken | yeah ok ill seee |
| 19:52.44 | stew | fken: then install it as root |
| 19:52.46 | fken | thank you |
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| 19:52.57 | emRick` | how can I dump the aspell wordlist? |
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| 19:53.00 | stew | fken: or install it from an account in the staff group |
| 19:53.08 | fken | stew: ah ok but i am root |
| 19:53.11 | CobyComputers | I'll let you know in a minute i have a program installing right now. |
| 19:53.14 | stew | fken: but in either case you don't need root to check it out with cvs |
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| 19:53.37 | nkuttler | emRick`: cat? use dpkg -L package to find it |
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| 19:53.47 | drp | I've never used mail before and I was wondering if someone could point me to a decent tutorial on how to set it up, email remote hosts, etc |
| 19:53.54 | Anthro | fken: Don't be root except when you need to be. You *must* have an ordinary user account. Once you have done your configure and make you can sudo make install. |
| 19:54.02 | nkuttler | CobyComputers: do you use x? |
| 19:54.11 | CVirus | why the hell does inactive applications like firefox and wnck-applet eat memory ? |
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| 19:54.28 | torbjorn | is it possible to tell what physical volume a file resides on on a LVM system? |
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| 19:54.43 | Anthro | CVirus: Are you claiming that their memory usage is increasing? |
| 19:54.44 | fken | Anthro: i dunno how cvs works exactly but i think i know the linux root concept |
| 19:54.46 | CobyComputers | what is x |
| 19:54.50 | prodor | wala! |
| 19:54.56 | CobyComputers | nkuttler what is x? |
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| 19:54.58 | CVirus | Anthro: somehow yeah |
| 19:54.58 | nkuttler | CobyComputers: graphical interface, desktop etc |
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| 19:55.06 | fken | x is the xserver |
| 19:55.20 | emRick` | nkuttler: my aspell dictionary is /usr/lib/aspell-0.60/en_US-w_accents-only.rws which uses some kind of binary encoding ... how do I decode this "rws" file? |
| 19:55.28 | CobyComputers | no not yet I was told the best way to learn linux is to stick with the shell |
| 19:55.33 | nkuttler | emRick`: what does file say it is? |
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| 19:55.44 | azeem | CobyComputers: it's GNU/Linux, not linux |
| 19:55.46 | nkuttler | CobyComputers: then alt+rightarrow will give you a new shell |
| 19:55.49 | Anthro | fken: You may know the concept, but you don't understand the use. It should be used sparingly, only when necessary. |
| 19:56.03 | cmdKeen | joergd: well, true is when I wanted some packages from sid (I am in testing) synaptic wasn't happy with that... well i rather uninstalled them;) there are others than aptitude, synaptic and that gnome one ? |
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| 19:56.13 | Deek | azeem: heh |
| 19:56.20 | nkuttler | azeem: who knows, hey may really mean linux |
| 19:56.44 | fken | Anthro: i meant that i thought cvs require root |
| 19:56.46 | Anthro | CVirus: Sounds like a memory leak. They must be doing something, though. |
| 19:56.47 | emRick` | nkuttler: file says: |
| 19:56.52 | emRick` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:56.55 | Anthro | fken: Ah. You are wrong. |
| 19:57.04 | CVirus | Anthro: firefox cant do anything while it is inactive |
| 19:57.11 | fken | Anthro: i was i understood |
| 19:57.15 | Anthro | CVirus: What do you mean by inactive? |
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| 19:57.54 | CobyComputers | stew : uname -r says 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 19:57.59 | CVirus | Anthro: firefox is opened and running but I dont use it |
| 19:58.10 | System- | hey |
| 19:58.12 | fken | so cvs dont download anything ! |
| 19:58.16 | stew | CobyComputers: you need a -smp kernel to use the second processor, you should apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-686-smp |
| 19:58.20 | nvz | System-: hey what? |
| 19:58.34 | System- | when downloading from a bit torrent you have to download 14 parts, how do they work together? |
| 19:58.38 | Anthro | CVirus: It can still be doing something, particularly if you are at a page that has a plugin (e.g. flash) running or some JavaScript doing something. |
| 19:58.44 | System- | usually u get like one iso? |
| 19:58.44 | joergd | cmdKeen: that's what I ment. aptitude will resolv the task with ease. |
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| 19:58.59 | joergd | cmdKeen: if you're hardcore you always can use dselect ;) |
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| 19:59.06 | stew | System-: you only need the first cd or a netinst if you are installing on a computer that would be networked using the install kernel |
| 19:59.10 | tweber | fken: sourceforge is under heavy load -- I can't check out anything either |
| 19:59.13 | CosmoDad | is there a description somwhere of all the files that dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage create when building new .debs (like .diff, .dsc, etc.) ? |
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| 19:59.21 | Anthro | joergd: No one should use dselect. |
| 19:59.28 | System- | cant do net install |
| 19:59.29 | stew | CosmoDad: read the mg? |
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| 19:59.46 | CobyComputers | stew will this install by itself ? and is it safe to do while shell 1 is installing a program |
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| 19:59.53 | fken | tweber:oh ok i was scared i had some trouble with my cvs config |
| 20:00.06 | cmdKeen | joergd: true:) but I don't think mixing sid/testing/stable package can do any good :-/ long live the Synaptic ! :-P |
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| 20:00.11 | stew | CobyComputers: it is safe. you will need to reboot before the new kernel is used. |
| 20:00.19 | mango | hi every one...I am srugling to compile my kernel form 2.4 to 2.6 cananyone please tell me about a detailed web site to upgrade the kernel please? thank you |
| 20:00.23 | stew | System-: then in any case you don't need all 14 cds, /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 20:00.34 | stew | !wayc mango |
| 20:00.35 | dpkg | mango: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 20:00.41 | System- | netinst? is that like just one iso that can install debian? |
| 20:00.43 | CosmoDad | stew: couldn't find a description of the files in there |
| 20:00.47 | joergd | Anthro: ;) Fortunalely, there is no more reason to use it anymore |
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| 20:00.48 | mylanta | home/share#> chmod -R a-x . /* (stopped after boot, bin, dev, and etc) is there anything I can do with the running box, or will I need to reboot to knoppix? |
| 20:01.02 | stew | CobyComputers: you use grub and not lilo, right? |
| 20:01.03 | cmdKeen | mango: Are you sure you NEED to compile it ? |
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| 20:01.29 | mfernow | I messed up I wanted to make the server more secure by changing permissions so I ran "chmod -R o-rwx /" which removes all permissions from everyone but the user and the group |
| 20:01.47 | ttl_ | hi |
| 20:02.05 | ttl_ | how do i prevent /usr/lib/nautilus-cd-burner/mapping-daemon from starting ? |
| 20:02.19 | mfernow | obviously anyone who isn't root can no longer log in so I changed the permissions for the things I could think of that are needed for logging in |
| 20:02.20 | mango | dpkg: would apt-get uprgrade work?,, I tried it but it only upgrade programs , not the kernel |
| 20:02.28 | CobyComputers | thanks stew I'll keep you posted |
| 20:02.39 | joergd | cmdKeen: well, it may not be recomended, but (since using aptitude) I'm running fine with that. I don't want to pull my entire system to unstable when just needing a handfull packages there |
| 20:02.42 | stew | CosmoDad: .diff is a patch that takes the upstream source (orig.tar.gz) and adds the debian/ directory and makes any changes the maintainer made. the dsc is the "source control" file which should be rather self explanitory |
| 20:02.50 | mfernow | but I'm still missing something because I get "no shell" whenever I try to log in as someone other than root |
| 20:02.51 | Anthro | mango: There are kernel packages. You need to select an appropriate package. |
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| 20:03.11 | cahoot | mfernow: this is a new install? |
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| 20:03.15 | mfernow | no |
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| 20:03.36 | mfernow | its a server thats been around |
| 20:03.41 | mwilson | <sigh> Why should I have to read planet.d.o just to know what's going on? |
| 20:03.44 | stew | mfernow: you should probably just restore from a backup |
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| 20:03.59 | System- | stew that just told me what files are on the cd, not what is actually on the cd as in like apps and installer etc? |
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| 20:04.17 | mango | Anthro: would you please explain more?.... |
| 20:04.18 | CrippsFX | okay ... so I just wrote 3 short shell scripts and placed them on my desktop. I have the permissions on each set to "-r-xr-xr-x", and I'd like to be able to just run the scripts on a double click, instead of getting a dialogue box asking me if I'd like to run or display the contents. I'm using gnome. does anybody know how to do this? |
| 20:04.27 | System- | should i start with the netinst? |
| 20:04.31 | stew | System-: it tells you what pacakges are on which cd. if you need to know what packages you need use http://packages.debian.org |
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| 20:04.35 | System- | then install anything else i want after |
| 20:04.38 | tweber | fken: unless you need the absolutely latest sources, you could try the cal3d source packages from unstable |
| 20:04.44 | CosmoDad | stew: so the (internal) process of building a .deb contains of unpacking the source and applying the .diff? |
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| 20:05.01 | stew | System-: if you can, yes, use the netinst. the first cd can act as a netinst if you already have it |
| 20:05.05 | fken | tweber:boom... |
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| 20:05.22 | fken | tweber: so its in our apt source ... |
| 20:05.22 | Anthro | mango: What kernel version do you want? |
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| 20:05.28 | cmdKeen | joergd: well, I must agree. And next thing I must do is go to bed... see you |
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| 20:05.30 | mwilson | *especially* planet.d.o, with its rampant egos. |
| 20:05.33 | g0rd0n | is there a way to convert rpms into debs? |
| 20:05.39 | fken | tweber: thank you for the information |
| 20:05.45 | mango | Anthor:6.2.13uname -u |
| 20:05.48 | Anthro | !alien |
| 20:05.48 | dpkg | [alien] a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 20:05.48 | joergd | cmdKeen: thanks for your thoughts, bye |
| 20:06.00 | stew | CosmoDad: dpkg-source -x blah.dsc will unpack the orig.tar.gz and apply the diff, yeah, then dpkg-buildpackage will build the package. dpkg-buildpackage basicaly does a bunch of calls to debian/rules which is really just a makefile |
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| 20:06.19 | emRick` | nkuttler: I found an answer to getting the wordlist ... just get the Debian source package and follow the README |
| 20:06.20 | System- | ok thanks |
| 20:06.27 | g0rd0n | thanks |
| 20:06.30 | tweber | fken: look for libcal3d - the latest update to unstable was on 04 Sep 2005 |
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| 20:06.40 | mango | Anthor: sorry6.2.13 and I have 2.4 |
| 20:06.50 | Yulia | i am using:2.6.12-1-386 kernel image on a laptop. I install acpi and, when i try to load it and tells me this:FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device |
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| 20:07.08 | stew | mango: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:07.09 | fken | tweber: its in testing too |
| 20:07.22 | donw_ | Is there a way to do chroot jails with Debian a-la BSD? |
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| 20:07.36 | fken | tweber thank you for your help i still was thinking there werent other way to install it |
| 20:07.39 | simonrvn | Yulia: means there is nothing there to interface with, or something is blocking the driver from interfacing (i.e., get loaded) |
| 20:07.41 | jita | Yulia: you sure you did 'make modules install'? |
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| 20:07.43 | fken | than cvs |
| 20:08.00 | mango | Stew: I can only remeber that 2.4.... |
| 20:08.00 | CosmoDad | stew: reason I'm asking all of this is that I have a source file (dvdshrink) that comes with a bash install script.. |
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| 20:08.27 | CosmoDad | stew: since there's no makefile, I'm not sure how I'd go on to debianify this to a .deb |
| 20:08.45 | stew | mango: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:09.29 | CosmoDad | stew: I was going to just unleash dh_make on the tarball anyway and then ignore the install.sh and instead let dh_install will do the work of copying binaries to the correct place |
| 20:09.30 | stew | CosmoDad: if you know of other source pacakges that are similar you should look at those. The python packages that use a setup.py instead of a makefie might be similar |
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| 20:09.42 | Yulia | jita, i tried lsmod and fails too |
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| 20:09.51 | CosmoDad | stew: would you say that this is a correct approach? |
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| 20:09.55 | JL0gik_NS | how do you add the ndiswrapper to path??? |
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| 20:10.31 | jita | Yulia: how did you compile the kernel? |
| 20:10.31 | Anthro | mango: I'm sure you mean 2.6.13. Unfortunately, 2.6.13 hasn't made it into Debian yet, for complicated reasons (/msg dpkg 2.6.13 for more info). You can get 2.6.12 or wait a bit for 2.6.13 or try to use kernel-package on the kernel.org version (which may or may not work for the same reasons that 2.6.13 isn't in Debian yet). |
| 20:10.31 | Yulia | jita, it is kernel image precompilated |
| 20:10.34 | joeyy | is this the new one out Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a "Sarge" |
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| 20:10.46 | stew | Yulia: no such device means that it didn't find hardware to match that module, are you sure your hardware supports this module? |
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| 20:11.20 | mango | Stew:dEBIAN VERSION IS 3.1 |
| 20:11.21 | stew | joeyy: that is the most recently released version, yes |
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| 20:11.36 | stew | mango: is there a reason that the 2.6.8-2 kenrel wouldn't worn and that you need 2.6.13? |
| 20:11.41 | Yulia | stew, it is a new laptop. I read yes |
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| 20:11.49 | stew | Yulia: what cpu? |
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| 20:12.15 | Yulia | stew, model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.80GHz |
| 20:12.25 | stew | Yulia: use modprobe speedstep_centrino |
| 20:12.40 | stew | Yulia: and apt-get install cpufreqd |
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| 20:12.51 | Yulia | FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): No such device |
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| 20:13.14 | stew | hrm |
| 20:13.20 | mango | Stew: No I have not tried 2.6.8-2 ...I just went according to some notes I found on the internet... |
| 20:13.31 | Yulia | for speedtep_centrino, stew |
| 20:13.39 | stew | mango: what cpu do you have? |
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| 20:13.48 | stew | Yulia: hrm, that is definately the module you hsould be loading |
| 20:14.14 | ttl_ | i don't want /usr/lib/nautilus-cd-burner/mapping-daemon to start when i'm starting gnome |
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| 20:14.26 | stew | Yulia: (you should be using a -686 kenel, not a -386 kernel, but I don't think that is the problem) |
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| 20:14.40 | mango | Stew: A Pentium 4 Centrio , I am using debian on my IBM X31 thinkpad laptop |
| 20:14.47 | stew | mango: apt-get install kenrel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 20:14.52 | Yulia | stew, why 686?? |
| 20:14.58 | simonrvn | s/kenrel/kernel/ |
| 20:15.00 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.04 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:15.05 | stew | yeah |
| 20:15.13 | abrotman | your hands and feet are mangos , but you'll be a genius anyways ... |
| 20:15.15 | stew | Yulia: 686 supports intel chips >= pentium pro |
| 20:15.33 | stew | Yulia: 386 is for 486 / pentium also |
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| 20:15.37 | ttl_ | how can i prevent it from starting when starting gnome ? |
| 20:15.47 | RvGaTe | im looking for some dns servers... somehow my current are f**ed up :) |
| 20:15.58 | abrotman | use your ISPs |
| 20:16.07 | RvGaTe | thats the one thats fucked up |
| 20:16.13 | stew | fucked up how? |
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| 20:16.28 | Yulia | Stew: i do not what to do, cause have laptop allways with AC |
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| 20:16.42 | RvGaTe | need to enter a url 3 times, and ill get 2 times "could not find host", and the last time it will access it |
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| 20:17.15 | RvGaTe | abrotman: i know its a dns problem becouse it happened before... |
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| 20:17.26 | mango | Stew: Thank very much for your help.:) |
| 20:17.26 | abrotman | call your ISP .. tell them they suck |
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| 20:17.35 | one_2_one | sry... sarge downlod links plz... |
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| 20:17.50 | stew | Yulia: i'm not sure why you wouldn't be able to insert the centrino module, google i guess |
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| 20:17.56 | Cope | nkuttler: :) |
| 20:17.58 | abrotman | RvGaTe: DNS(espeically one that doesn't actually host local zones) is one of the easiest web services an ISP can provide |
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| 20:18.03 | Yulia | stew, perhaps i should compile my own kernel.... |
| 20:18.04 | stew | one_2_one: /topic: GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian |
| 20:18.11 | stew | Yulia: its not likely to help |
| 20:18.20 | RvGaTe | abrotman: altho its screwed atm... |
| 20:18.26 | abrotman | the phone? |
| 20:18.36 | RvGaTe | my parents are sleeping |
| 20:18.40 | stew | Yulia: when you try to modprobe it do you get any useful messages in /var/log/messages or dmesg? |
| 20:18.41 | Yulia | anyone has compag presario 2175 EA for let me see his .config to begin with? |
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| 20:19.09 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 20:19.09 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 20:19.28 | simonrvn | !abrotman |
| 20:19.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 20:19.36 | abrotman | simonrvn: and? |
| 20:19.45 | abrotman | thank god the poll is down |
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| 20:19.46 | simonrvn | jsut curious, s'ok |
| 20:19.52 | stew | !laptop =~ s#http://lists.debian.org/#http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/# |
| 20:19.52 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 20:20.04 | simonrvn | was wondering if you had one or not |
| 20:20.07 | abrotman | simonrvn: what happened to your vowels ? |
| 20:20.10 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 20:20.10 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 20:20.21 | abrotman | i think that's it |
| 20:20.27 | Yulia | stew, no messages in log |
| 20:20.34 | peterS | &abrotman is also obsessed in particular with factoids about himself |
| 20:20.37 | abrotman | oh .. there's an abrotmansmite .. who knew |
| 20:20.38 | jita | !dance abrotman |
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| 20:20.44 | abrotman | !abrotmansmite |
| 20:20.45 | dpkg | smites abrotman |
| 20:20.49 | abrotman | ok .. nice |
| 20:20.52 | Serv|nokia | hello |
| 20:20.56 | abrotman | too bad someone sucks with the bot |
| 20:21.07 | Serv|nokia | steam: steam: cannot execute binary file <-- can somebody help me whit that? |
| 20:21.15 | Yulia | stew, installing a new kernel 2.6.13 is a good choose? |
| 20:21.22 | Yulia | 2.6.13.2? |
| 20:21.33 | abrotman | furrywolf_: you did it! |
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| 20:21.46 | Serv|nokia | steam: steam: cannot execute binary file <-- can somebody help me whit that? |
| 20:21.49 | Yulia | has it module wifi integrated . stew¿ |
| 20:21.55 | peterS | I wonder if furrywolf_ will become baldwolf_ in his old age |
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| 20:22.36 | bucky | Serv|nokia, give it exec permissions? |
| 20:22.41 | abrotman | peterS: greywolf ? |
| 20:22.44 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:22.47 | peterS | ha |
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| 20:22.58 | Serv|nokia | bucky chmod a+x steam |
| 20:23.01 | Serv|nokia | i already to it |
| 20:23.08 | one_2_one | Gnea do you know any solution? |
| 20:23.09 | Serv|nokia | when i type sh steam |
| 20:23.11 | RvGaTe | abrotman: got it fixed, i changed dns servers, and things are running smooth now... (i got the ip's from someone else on another chat) |
| 20:23.12 | Serv|nokia | then it says that |
| 20:23.23 | bucky | Serv|nokia, try ./steam |
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| 20:23.45 | stew | Yulia: no, i don't believe centrino support was changed much in 2.6.12, it should be workng fine in 2.6.8 for that matter |
| 20:23.47 | jita | RvGaTe: what are the IPs? |
| 20:23.58 | Serv|nokia | bash: ./steam: No such file or directory <-- but the file exists! |
| 20:24.07 | Serv|nokia | ls -la -> -rwxr-xr-x 1 1016 users 7506846 2004-09-22 14:54 steam |
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| 20:24.17 | simonrvn | try ./st<tab> |
| 20:24.23 | nvz | what are the speed comparison on firewire vs. USB 2.0? |
| 20:24.24 | RvGaTe | jita: prim: 212.142.28.66 and sec:212.142.28.67 |
| 20:24.31 | simonrvn | fw is much faster |
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| 20:24.47 | one_2_one | stew do you know any solution 4my prob..? |
| 20:24.48 | Serv|nokia | yes but i cant get it run |
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| 20:25.37 | nvz | simonrvn: wikipedia says that firewire 400 whatever the hell that is can do 400M/sec where as USB2 claims to be capable of 480M/s |
| 20:25.46 | Yulia | stew, i need to get acpi |
| 20:26.02 | abrotman | nvz: fw800 is out and prevalanet |
| 20:26.09 | Serv|nokia | can somebody help me whit that? |
| 20:26.11 | abrotman | :kill fingers |
| 20:26.15 | Rambo3 | i cant get internet working on my dekstop. I have P4U800-X asus motherboard with ALi nuilt in LAN adapter, on debian sarge . 2.6.8.686 . What to do |
| 20:26.19 | abrotman | resiak: i do not like your bot! |
| 20:26.38 | simonrvn | nvz: there's an 800 MB/s fw |
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| 20:26.52 | nvz | abrotman: I am also reading about a IEEE 1394b which supports optical connections up to 100meters rates up to 3.2GB/s |
| 20:27.28 | CobyComputers | thanks stew both proccessors are now working |
| 20:27.34 | simonrvn | and there's much faster stuff too. military/gov't grade |
| 20:28.10 | streuner | nvz: heh? - too much pr0n :-) |
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| 20:28.33 | Anthro | nvz: IEEE 1394b is Firewire800, AFAIK. |
| 20:28.41 | CobyComputers | can anyone tell me how to delete directories includng all files and subdirs |
| 20:28.48 | Anthro | CobyComputers: rm -rf |
| 20:28.51 | peterS | nvz: 1394 has an optical transport now? wow |
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| 20:28.57 | CobyComputers | thanks anthro |
| 20:29.14 | Michal_Ka | #join debian.cz |
| 20:29.14 | Jarot | Hello people |
| 20:29.17 | Anthro | nvz: And USB 2.0 claims 480 Mb/s but tends not to actually manage it. |
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| 20:29.21 | nvz | peterS: thats what wikipedia says. seems fairly new and probably not widely available yet |
| 20:29.25 | drp | I've never used mail before and I was wondering if someone could point me to a decent tutorial on how to set it up, email remote hosts, etc |
| 20:29.27 | streuner | CVirus: turn that off, please. |
| 20:29.30 | stew | one_2_one: did you try the 2.6 install kernel yet? |
| 20:29.37 | Serv|nokia | steam: steam: cannot execute binary file <-- can somebody help me whit that? |
| 20:29.41 | drp | basically i'm just wanting to use a command line mailer for use in an application i'm writing |
| 20:29.50 | Anthro | drp: mailx |
| 20:29.54 | stew | Yulia: apt-get install acpid acpi ; but i don't know how thats going to fix your problem |
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| 20:30.05 | Anthro | drp: Oops, sorry. Try the man page. |
| 20:30.08 | one_2_one | stew i tried 2.6kernel |
| 20:30.16 | one_2_one | and the same result |
| 20:30.23 | Serv|nokia | steam: steam: cannot execute binary file <-- can somebody help me whit that? |
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| 20:30.36 | peterS | drp: there are several mail servers available for debian - exim4, sendmail, postfix, would be the popular ones. all of these come with configuration programs that run at install time and prompt you for information. (exim4 should already be on your system and should already have prompted you.) |
| 20:30.37 | drp | Anthro: you know of any other good resources to look at besides the man pages for mail |
| 20:30.39 | abrotman | not with steam .. |
| 20:31.02 | Anthro | drp: What are you trying to do? |
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| 20:31.06 | peterS | drp: once your mail server works, there are several ways to send mail - 'mail foo@example.com' or '/usr/sbin/sendmail foo@example.com' or others |
| 20:31.11 | Yulia | stew: Your current kernel does not have ACPI support enabled. In order to be able to use the Advanced Configuration and ? |
| 20:31.12 | Yulia | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.32 | one_2_one | stew its possible to get driver from mandrake cds and put it on debian installer cd ? |
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| 20:31.44 | Yulia | stew, can i compile it as a module and then load it yes? |
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| 20:34.32 | ChrisW | Hiya there, got a coupla problems with chkrootkit and a question on debian apache install, hope you guys can help :-) |
| 20:34.46 | ChrisW | firstup, I got, just once the following from the chkrootkit cron job: |
| 20:34.46 | abrotman | ChrisW: oh sorry ... that's me |
| 20:34.47 | ChrisW | warning, got bogus tcp line. |
| 20:34.47 | Anthro | !tell ChrisW about ask |
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| 20:35.04 | ChrisW | should Iwory about that |
| 20:35.33 | ChrisW | or, should I worry about that, now that I can type ;-) |
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| 20:36.01 | stew | Yulia: where are you getting that. your current kernel does support acpi |
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| 20:36.17 | stew | one_2_one: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 20:36.30 | Yulia | stew, i am on a precompiladted kernel image |
| 20:36.32 | ChrisW | abrotman: what's you? apache or chkrootkit? |
| 20:36.40 | stew | Yulia: yes, i'm on the same kernel |
| 20:36.49 | stew | one_2_one: or, if you have a working linux install already, /msg dpkg chroot install ; /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 20:36.54 | kps | if i have a firewall script, do i just add a link S41firewall into /etc/rcS.d/ using ln ? |
| 20:36.57 | Serv|nokia | stew you know something about: cannot execute binary file ? |
| 20:37.02 | abrotman | ChrisW: oh .. i got bored .. hacked you :) |
| 20:37.13 | kps | (i am assuming firewall script should be called after networking has started) |
| 20:37.13 | ChrisW | oh right, one of THOSE answers :-) |
| 20:37.16 | CobyComputers | I am tryng to install ISPConfig but it seems I have forgotten my username for mysql is there anywhere I would be able to find this? |
| 20:37.18 | abrotman | sorry |
| 20:37.26 | ChrisW | seriously though, should I worry about that message? what does it even mean? where can I find out? |
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| 20:37.56 | stew | Serv|nokia: what file? what does "file /path/to/file" say the file is? |
| 20:38.13 | Serv|nokia | /home/steam: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 20:38.39 | ladytootoo | hi everyone, i'm having a hard time getting the 2.6.12 kernel to use raid functionality with a promise fasttrack S150...any ideas? |
| 20:38.57 | stew | Serv|nokia: and when you type "/home/steam" you get "cannot execute binary file?" |
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| 20:39.10 | Serv|nokia | bash: /home/steam: No such file or directory |
| 20:39.20 | abrotman | !beer stew |
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| 20:39.36 | Serv|nokia | if i type sh /home/steam = /home/steam: /home/steam: cannot execute binary file |
| 20:39.46 | stew | wtf |
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| 20:40.10 | resiak | abrotman :( |
| 20:40.24 | Serv|nokia | stew: its on 64bit system but in 32bit system it works |
| 20:40.34 | ChrisW | seriously, no one here uses chkrootkit? |
| 20:40.42 | nvz | I need a lightweight no-nonsense address book program preferably gtk (read not KDE) cause I am not doing a good job of remembering phone numbers anymore |
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| 20:40.47 | peterS | ChrisW: why do you want to know? |
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| 20:41.00 | stew | Serv|nokia: aha! i don't know jack about mixed 64 and 32 bit systems. you might wanna ask in #debian-amd64 |
| 20:41.01 | ChrisW | well, I asked a direct quesiton about it ages ago and no-one answered :-( |
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| 20:41.15 | ChrisW | I got two messages from ti that concern me, but I've only ever got the two messages |
| 20:41.24 | ChrisW | not a daily email ahmmering if something had actually gone bad |
| 20:41.31 | ChrisW | but maybe I'm misreading how chkrootkit works? |
| 20:41.36 | Anthro | ChrisW: We all use chkrootkit, but it always comes up clean for us because we run perfect systems. |
| 20:42.01 | stew | i've run chkrootkit on rooted systems and i've never actually turn up a valid hit |
| 20:42.02 | Serv|nokia | stew: its not mixed |
| 20:42.28 | Serv|nokia | 32bit system is in my default machine and my server has 64bit |
| 20:42.29 | peterS | I've got two false positives on chkrootkit at the moment |
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| 20:42.44 | peterS | there doesn't seem to be a way to tell it to ignore specific positives. that would, I guess, rather defeat the purpose |
| 20:42.45 | ChrisW | well, the first message I got, on 31st August, was "warning, got bogus tcp line.", the 2nd was on 20th Sept, when I got "Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed" |
| 20:42.47 | CrippsFX | alright, it now appears as though sound in my new kernel (2.6.12) is busted. All the appropriate modules appear to be loaded, but there is no /dev/mixer device. |
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| 20:42.50 | resiak | nvz: dlume ? |
| 20:42.50 | peterS | not that it can't easily be defeated anyway, if anyone cared |
| 20:42.58 | ChrisW | what do either of those mean? where can I find out? hwo do I check if they're false positives or not? |
| 20:43.12 | Jondo | Hi i've got a problem: I'm running two servers on a remote machine: a proxy, and apache. If I ssh to the remote machine using "ssh -L port:remotehost:port host", and then "telnet localhost port" I can connect to apache (If I forward port 80) but when I try to forward the proxy's port, I get "channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused" in the terminal that I did "ssh -L.." in. |
| 20:43.13 | stew | Serv|nokia: what are you trying to do exactly? are you running this on the 64 bit server? |
| 20:43.15 | ChrisW | and yeah, I know all that, but it's betetr than nothing |
| 20:43.23 | ChrisW | unless anyone has any better suggestions... |
| 20:43.35 | vagabund | i never had false positves on chkrootkit - |
| 20:43.37 | Serv|nokia | stew: yes |
| 20:43.40 | peterS | "LKM trojan" is a linux kernel module messing with your system's reporting |
| 20:43.49 | Serv|nokia | stew: i whant to run the steam file |
| 20:43.54 | Serv|nokia | its very important file |
| 20:43.55 | peterS | vagabund: apparently you never ran a DHCP server |
| 20:43.57 | stew | Serv|nokia: what does "uname -r" say on the server? |
| 20:44.08 | Serv|nokia | 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic |
| 20:44.12 | abrotman | or any kind of unix box .. chkrootkit turns up false positives on DOS |
| 20:44.36 | stew | Serv|nokia: and that is a 64 bit kernel? |
| 20:44.41 | stew | Serv|nokia: is that open-steam? |
| 20:44.50 | Serv|nokia | open-steam ? |
| 20:44.52 | vagabund | hm maybee - |
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| 20:44.58 | ChrisW | peterS: okay, so that's what LKM means, but how do I find out if there's anything really wrong? |
| 20:45.04 | nvz | resiak: "handy and easy to use", sounds good |
| 20:45.08 | ChrisW | and what could cause a false positive? |
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| 20:45.26 | resiak | nvz: Not used it, though. |
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| 20:45.43 | ChrisW | and what does that "warning, got bogus tcp line" mean? |
| 20:45.45 | stew | !info steam |
| 20:45.49 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 20:45.49 | dpkg | < cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help |
| 20:45.51 | dpkg | steam: (Environment for cooperative knowledge management), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.6.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 428 kB, Installed size: 2360 kB |
| 20:45.54 | xnix | does anyone know what would be causing my audio to skip when i do things like move windows around, resize windows, switch desktops, scroll fast in my browser etc? |
| 20:45.56 | nvz | resiak: seems to be a very simple and easy to use addressbook program. |
| 20:46.00 | stew | Serv|nokia: ^^^ that steam package? |
| 20:46.06 | abrotman | xnix: your computer .. sucks ? |
| 20:46.15 | resiak | nvz: It probably works :) |
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| 20:46.24 | xnix | abrotman, heh my video card sucks but the rest of the computer doesnt |
| 20:46.29 | xnix | i was wondering if my video card would cause that |
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| 20:46.33 | abrotman | xnix: how fast is your CPU .. and how much RAM ? |
| 20:46.42 | xnix | abrotman, i have an athlon 64 3200+ with 1gb ram |
| 20:46.49 | abrotman | and what kind of video card? |
| 20:46.55 | xnix | ATI AIWP rage 128 |
| 20:47.05 | abrotman | which driver are you running ? |
| 20:47.06 | nvz | resiak: keeps Name, Nickname, Address, Birthday, and 4 Home phones, 4 work phones, 4 cell phones, 4 emails, and 4 web pages |
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| 20:47.13 | xnix | i believe i am using the DRI r128 driver |
| 20:47.14 | Rambo3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.16 | xnix | but im not positive |
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| 20:47.25 | abrotman | xnix: that doesn't sound right |
| 20:47.31 | xnix | what |
| 20:47.34 | abrotman | Rambo3: we don't know .. we wouldn't do such a thing! :) |
| 20:47.44 | abrotman | xnix: which version of debian ? |
| 20:47.49 | xnix | im using unstable |
| 20:47.53 | nvz | resiak: it will definatly work for what I want.. but something that just had and "Add" and a drop down box to choose home, work, mobile, email..etc would be more intuitive IMO |
| 20:47.57 | abrotman | xnix: and xorg ? |
| 20:48.00 | xnix | yup |
| 20:48.05 | resiak | nvz: write itt? :) |
| 20:48.13 | stew | Rambo3: possibly depends on the ubuntu version and the debian version, but why would you want to? |
| 20:48.14 | abrotman | xnix: let me look |
| 20:48.29 | Deek | firefox slurps down CPU pretty good when scrolling, too |
| 20:48.30 | xnix | ok |
| 20:48.36 | xnix | thx abrotman |
| 20:48.40 | nvz | resiak: yeah right I am trying to take the work _out_ of remembering phone numbers |
| 20:48.59 | abrotman | xnix: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 20:49.13 | xnix | 0000:00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PD/PRO TMDS |
| 20:49.17 | resiak | nvz: I just have a bunch of text files in ~/AddressBook |
| 20:49.21 | reuben2 | how do i tell whether h/w compression is enabled on my tape drive? |
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| 20:49.28 | resiak | nvz: grep and vim are my address book browser |
| 20:49.38 | Deek | A slow video card can really bog you down |
| 20:49.45 | mwilson | reuben2: I think st can ask it. |
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| 20:49.50 | Rambo3 | stew : i have ethertnet card that is suposed to be supported on later kernel, i cant get my internet working. and i got some errors compiling kernel on my own. So thrying to find easy way out |
| 20:49.58 | mwilson | reuben2: Lots of drives have a jumper for it, too. |
| 20:50.00 | stew | Rambo3: what card? |
| 20:50.05 | abrotman | xnix: says it should work .. how much other stuff are you doing ? |
| 20:50.05 | stew | Rambo3: what version of debian? |
| 20:50.10 | nvz | resiak: heh yeah I may do something like that going to enter a few contacts in here and see how it works and what format it saves in |
| 20:50.27 | reuben2 | this is an lto2 drive, the only command i know if is "mt status" and it doesn't reveal anything |
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| 20:50.40 | xnix | abrotman, not much stuff, even if i just move a window around it skips |
| 20:50.48 | xnix | with only two windows open |
| 20:50.52 | Rambo3 | stew : Ali fast ethernet , its a built in on P4U800-X ASUS motherboard |
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| 20:51.00 | xnix | im using amarok for audio, with arts |
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| 20:51.15 | stew | Rambo3: do you know the name of the kenrel module that supports it? |
| 20:51.26 | abrotman | xnix: i can't imagine your machine takes that much CPU to draw a windo |
| 20:51.27 | vagabund | search about "steam" nothing find - |
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| 20:51.28 | abrotman | window |
| 20:51.33 | resiak | nvz: A bloody great xml file in .dlume |
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| 20:51.41 | resiak | nvz: That's the main reason I'm not using it :) |
| 20:51.43 | nvz | resiak: I guess I could use ego and grep just the same |
| 20:51.47 | nvz | s/ego/echo/ |
| 20:51.52 | abrotman | my lag sucks |
| 20:51.55 | jjazz | nvz: What addressbook are you test driving? I could use one too. |
| 20:51.57 | Rambo3 | i googled and found 2.6.10 on suse forum , and nothing more |
| 20:51.59 | resiak | nvz: It's simple and doesn't crash. |
| 20:52.07 | ladytootoo | does anyone have a promise sata raid controller working with debian 2.6.12? mine works but the raid functionality isn't working |
| 20:52.08 | CrippsFX | soo ... does anyone have any idea why I would just not happen to have a "/dev/mixer" device? I'd really like to start listening to tunes while I fix other problems ..... |
| 20:52.10 | Deek | abrotman: Dragging windows can also prevent events from being delivered |
| 20:52.12 | xnix | abrotman, yeah, i dunno im trying to figure it out too, i was running gentoo on here a few days ago and switched over and i cant figure otuw hy its doing that |
| 20:52.15 | abrotman | xnix: you don't have DRI running ? |
| 20:52.16 | nvz | jjazz: Dlume. its functional and simple. but I can see many things that could improve |
| 20:52.19 | xnix | granted im not running debian-amd64 |
| 20:52.22 | xnix | im running i686 |
| 20:52.26 | Yulia | stew, i have cheked i have apm support |
| 20:52.27 | xnix | with a k8 kernel |
| 20:52.30 | Rambo3 | stew : no |
| 20:52.32 | thingfish | CrippsFX: fresh install? |
| 20:52.35 | abrotman | mwilson: you read!?!?!? |
| 20:52.37 | jjazz | nvz: Thanks. I'll look at it. |
| 20:52.40 | xnix | abrotman, im not sure, how can i check |
| 20:52.44 | mwilson | abrotman: Alla time. |
| 20:52.47 | xnix | im not into gfx stuff really, dont know much about it |
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| 20:52.53 | abrotman | xnix: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 20:52.55 | abrotman | mwilson: heh |
| 20:53.06 | xnix | but i think i may finally have to get a new graphics card with xorg now adding cool stuff like composite and stuff |
| 20:53.09 | mwilson | abrotman: You stop learning, you're dead. Which probably explains a lot of people. |
| 20:53.10 | xnix | but anyway, let me see what that gives me |
| 20:53.19 | Rydekull | is there any good way to test how a SCSI drive si feeling err, well, erm, if the disk is okay, yeah, test it :P |
| 20:53.21 | CrippsFX | thingfish, it was working off a fresh install, and then I upgraded my kernel, and replaced my network card with a dlink, and now all of a sudden, I have no /dev/mixer. |
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| 20:53.22 | nvz | resiak: I could even make a shell script with zenity if I wanted it graphical :P |
| 20:53.29 | xnix | abrotman, join #flood |
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| 20:53.32 | abrotman | mwilson: that's not nice :) |
| 20:53.38 | mwilson | xnix: So far composite isn't really worth bothering with. |
| 20:53.38 | thingfish | ah, that I can't help with. |
| 20:53.39 | abrotman | xnix: ok |
| 20:53.41 | CrippsFX | thingfish, BTW, hi ... it's been awhile ;) |
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| 20:53.51 | thingfish | hi CrippsFX |
| 20:53.59 | vagabund | but steam eventually makes sence in some machines |
| 20:54.05 | abrotman | xnix: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:54.14 | xnix | hmm ok heh |
| 20:54.18 | mwilson | abrotman: Been reading about RAID on oBSD all day, for example. Learned a lot, too. |
| 20:54.20 | abrotman | xnix: yeah .. if you would have posted that much .. you'd have gotten botted |
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| 20:54.28 | abrotman | mwilson: i'm in ldap hell :) |
| 20:54.29 | Deek | vagabund: huh? |
| 20:54.37 | abrotman | he doesn't make sense |
| 20:54.40 | ChrisW | so no-one got any clue as to what I should do with these two chkrootkit errors? |
| 20:54.51 | abrotman | xnix: make sure you pick r128 |
| 20:54.52 | ChrisW | I feel kinda bad abotu ignoring them, but I knwo of little else I can do right now :'( |
| 20:54.53 | nvz | I might as well try some others. I had origionally only wanted it for a single phone number and for that I could have used a simple file. If I am going to use a program I might as well keep more information and have birthday reminders and shit. |
| 20:54.57 | peterS | ChrisW: investigate. boot from a clean kernel, like off a CD. |
| 20:55.05 | stew | Rambo3: have you tried installing with the default 2.6 kernel? |
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| 20:55.15 | ChrisW | peterS: easier said than done when the machine is i na remote data centre that Idon't have access to ;-) |
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| 20:55.23 | mwilson | abrotman: And after much testing with bonnie, I think I have the array configured the way it'll work well, and yet not have insane block/fragment sizes. :) |
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| 20:55.37 | abrotman | mwilson: software raid ? |
| 20:55.50 | CrippsFX | hey thingfish , if we were to assume for just a moment that my problem was off a fresh install, how might I go about fixing the problem? |
| 20:55.55 | ChrisW | the one-off'ness of these errors and tgheir space abpart would suggest two false positves |
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| 20:55.59 | peterS | abrotman: whatever is wrong with software raid? |
| 20:56.02 | ChrisW | but what can I do to put my mind at rest? |
| 20:56.02 | dirk_ | hello i need help |
| 20:56.03 | resiak | nvz: Heh. |
| 20:56.06 | abrotman | peterS: i'm not a believer |
| 20:56.13 | Yulia | stew, can you help me with apm? |
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| 20:56.20 | peterS | ChrisW: not if you configured chkrootkit to only report *new* things |
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| 20:56.27 | mwilson | abrotman: Yeah, RAIDFrame. |
| 20:56.28 | thingfish | CrippsFX: well, check for the presence of alsa-base, for one. I have to do it after installing. |
| 20:56.30 | ChrisW | peterS: default config |
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| 20:56.41 | peterS | ChrisW: it should have asked you at install time |
| 20:56.45 | ChrisW | how can I force it to do a full new sweep? |
| 20:56.49 | ChrisW | peterS: it didn't |
| 20:56.52 | abrotman | mwilson: is obsd's sw raid better than the linux equivalent(though .. it'd be hard not be) |
| 20:56.56 | ChrisW | or if it did, I don't remember :-S |
| 20:56.59 | thingfish | CrippsFX: but if you previously had sound with a 2.6 kernel, you're fine. |
| 20:57.05 | babyseal | How do I get x started? |
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| 20:57.17 | abrotman | !club babyseal |
| 20:57.18 | peterS | ChrisW: 'dpkg-reconfigure chkrootkit' and it'll ask you now |
| 20:57.18 | xnix | abrotman, ok, i guess i cant do this while in X? |
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| 20:57.22 | babyseal | how mean! |
| 20:57.22 | abrotman | worth a shot |
| 20:57.28 | thingfish | hehe |
| 20:57.33 | abrotman | xnix: you can ... you'll just have to restart X to get the desired effect |
| 20:57.36 | xnix | abrotman, i dont think i got a r128 option last time, i picked ati and edited my xorg.conf, but it seemed to work |
| 20:57.42 | CrippsFX | thingfish, darn ... althogh: academy:/home/cripps# dpkg -S alsa-base dpkg: *alsa-base* not found. |
| 20:57.42 | abrotman | !xmd5 |
| 20:57.42 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 20:57.52 | nvz | not to mention I'd like to separate contacts too. and dlume doesnt have categories |
| 20:57.55 | abrotman | i guess we need an xorgmd5 factoid eh ? |
| 20:57.55 | xnix | abrotman, theres a riva128 option, no r128 |
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| 20:58.00 | thingfish | CrippsFX: apt-get install alsa-base |
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| 20:58.04 | nvz | blackbook |
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| 20:58.08 | ChrisW | peterS: just did that, still didn't ask me whether to only report new things |
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| 20:58.11 | nvz | er wrong terminal :P |
| 20:58.12 | abrotman | xnix: there should be an r128 .. it's in the xorg docs |
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| 20:58.18 | abrotman | yay |
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| 20:58.21 | nvz | eww |
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| 20:58.23 | dirk_ | I had made a postinstall and a preeinstall list and then do diff. My problem is how to remove all files in the txt file?? plz help |
| 20:58.25 | thingfish | CrippsFX: is it a 2.6 kernel you upgraded to? |
| 20:58.25 | mwilson | abrotman: <shrug> Can't say. Linux's kernel RAID does some things automatically that you have to do manually or with effort in oBSD, while oBSD makes things like root-on-RAID easier. For me, it was the rest of the OS wrapped around the RAID that made me switch the box when its system drive went FOOM. |
| 20:58.27 | xnix | hmmm ok well im not getting it :/ |
| 20:58.28 | peterS | ChrisW: maybe that feature is only in unstable. I can't recall. |
| 20:58.35 | CrippsFX | thingfish, sure is. 2.6.12 |
| 20:58.41 | CrippsFX | - i686 |
| 20:58.46 | thingfish | ok |
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| 20:58.49 | abrotman | mwilson: RAID isn't supposed to go FOOM :) |
| 20:58.53 | ChrisW | peterS: okay, well, I'm latest stable so it'd be doing a full run each time, right? |
| 20:58.59 | peterS | ChrisW: right |
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| 20:59.09 | thingfish | CrippsFX: why are you running etch or unstable? |
| 20:59.10 | nvz | blackbook supports "tabs" i.e. categories, but its fugly looks like tk or something |
| 20:59.11 | abrotman | peterS: are you running etch/sid ? |
| 20:59.15 | mwilson | abrotman: The *array* didn't go FOOM. The *system drive* went FOOM. |
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| 20:59.18 | peterS | abrotman: pretty much |
| 20:59.20 | abrotman | mwilson: ah ok |
| 20:59.29 | abrotman | herm .. i guess i can check myself :) |
| 20:59.37 | abrotman | !find r128 sid |
| 20:59.39 | ChrisW | peterS: so this is prettymuch 2 one-off incidents |
| 20:59.44 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'r128' (5 of 46): (/usr/lib/dri/r128_dri.so) in libs/libgl1-mesa-dri ;; (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r128_dri.so) in x11/xlibmesa-dri ;; (/usr/share/doc/xlife/examples/life/puffer128.l) in games/xlife ;; (/usr/share/doc/libgpib0-dev/html/r1288.html) in libdevel/libgpib0-dev ;; (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/debug/r128_dri.so) in x11/xlibmesa-dri-dbg. |
| 20:59.46 | peterS | ChrisW: seems so |
| 20:59.48 | CrippsFX | thingfish, I'm running etch ... mostly just for fun ... but I want the kernel 2.6.x so that I can use udev for usb hotplugging. |
| 20:59.53 | ChrisW | (unless it was the only spoor someone left along the way to rooting me :-S |
| 20:59.58 | thingfish | I see. |
| 21:00.05 | dirk_ | I had made a postinstall and a preeinstall list and then do diff. My problem is how to remove all files in the txt file?? plz help |
| 21:00.06 | abrotman | of 46! |
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| 21:00.13 | peterS | ChrisW: that's the problem, it's hard to know the difference |
| 21:00.24 | zms | is ftp.debian.org inaccessible? |
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| 21:00.48 | CrippsFX | thingfish, after I install alsa-base usign apt-get, how do I get alsa to start up so I can start with my listening pleasure? |
| 21:00.49 | peterS | zms: works for me |
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| 21:00.56 | ChrisW | this fair enough for the "LKM warning" http://www.hitechsavvy.com/news_index145.html? |
| 21:00.56 | abrotman | zms: fine here |
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| 21:01.13 | thingfish | CrippsFX: I reboot. |
| 21:01.18 | zms | thanks abrotman |
| 21:01.21 | mwilson | I wish there was a good way to measure SMP under oBSD, though. |
| 21:01.29 | CrippsFX | thingfish, ach so. |
| 21:01.33 | CrippsFX | be back in a minute ;) |
| 21:01.37 | thingfish | ok |
| 21:01.40 | zms | peterS: thanks |
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| 21:01.45 | CrippsFX | (would a telinit 1; telinit 5 work?) |
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| 21:02.00 | thingfish | not in Debian |
| 21:02.01 | CrippsFX | ... meh. |
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| 21:02.07 | dirk_ | Please can anybody help me? |
| 21:02.08 | CrippsFX | kk. b back in a minute |
| 21:02.17 | JtBe | i'm not happy with utf-8 settings made during base-config. how/where to reset to ISO-8859 ? |
| 21:02.21 | abrotman | god .. get him to stop hitting enter |
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| 21:02.29 | peterS | JtBe: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 21:02.35 | tarzeau | dirk_: which package? |
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| 21:02.41 | peterS | abrotman: kk. he'll b back. |
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| 21:02.52 | JtBe | peterS: thx. |
| 21:02.52 | tarzeau | !kk |
| 21:02.52 | dpkg | hmm... kk is ANAL! |
| 21:02.57 | setog3 | JtBe, set it in your /etc/environment |
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| 21:03.20 | setog3 | JtBe, and use dpkg-reconfigure locales to add iso8859-15 to you local :D |
| 21:03.23 | abrotman | peterS: yay i was worried |
| 21:03.28 | dirk_ | I had made a postinstall and a preeinstall list and then do diff. My problem is how to remove all files in the txt file?? please help |
| 21:03.34 | ChrisW | peterS? |
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| 21:03.52 | peterS | ChrisW? |
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| 21:04.04 | ChrisW | did you get that link? |
| 21:04.13 | ChrisW | http://www.hitechsavvy.com/news_index145.html |
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| 21:04.19 | ChrisW | that would seem to explain one of the errors |
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| 21:04.21 | abrotman | it was getting so lonely here without bots |
| 21:04.24 | ChrisW | sounsd goo to you? |
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| 21:04.30 | peterS | ChrisW: decide for yourself |
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| 21:05.03 | tarzeau | dirk_: can you fucking stop to repeat |
| 21:05.08 | peterS | ChrisW: you didn't get warned about the extra processes, so RTFA and make up your own mind what you need to check further |
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| 21:05.13 | vagabund | hehe - abrotman likes bots - |
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| 21:05.25 | tarzeau | dirk_: and show your post/pre install stuff with a http link, and tell what you really want to do? |
| 21:05.27 | peterS | as opposed to vagabund, who likes little boys |
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| 21:05.49 | vagabund | hell no |
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| 21:06.12 | ChrisW | peterS: well, to me that would explai nthings in my case, I have postgres, apache, etc running on the box, so it sounds plausible, but I don't know who "hitechsavvy" are so thought I'd try and get a second opinion on the theory ;-) |
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| 21:06.56 | abrotman | !peterS++ |
| 21:07.02 | peterS | ChrisW: the article is about hidden processes. you didn't report getting any hidden processes. |
| 21:07.16 | mylanta | stew: (chmod -R a-x . /*) seems that I did not install any backup program. do I have to reboot to a live disk to fix the damage? |
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| 21:07.26 | ChrisW | You have 1 process hidden for ps command, Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed |
| 21:07.35 | ChrisW | sorry, my irc client probably chewed the response! |
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| 21:07.57 | peterS | ChrisW: in that case the explanation is likely what the article says |
| 21:08.01 | CrippsFX | thingfish, excellent, my sound now worksd. beautiful |
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| 21:08.11 | CrippsFX | ...okay, it's dinner time now ... mmm .... roast beef .... |
| 21:08.12 | thingfish | CrippsFX: great |
| 21:08.13 | CrippsFX | *poof* |
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| 21:08.31 | thingfish | roast beef always sounds good. |
| 21:08.32 | qalim | ChrisW : I would try to do the same test with a live cd |
| 21:08.45 | peterS | qalim: he can't, it's a hosted box, he doesn't have physical access |
| 21:08.49 | ChrisW | peterS: cool |
| 21:08.58 | ChrisW | 1 down, 2 to go |
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| 21:09.45 | qalim | peterS: ok |
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| 21:10.03 | xnix | abrotman, i did that and restarted, and i still get the same thing when i glxinfo |
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| 21:10.29 | xnix | abrotman, if i just run glxinfo by itself, it gives those errors i pasted before, then segfaults |
| 21:10.42 | abrotman | xnix: i'd suggest checking the Xorg error logs for some sort of clue .. |
| 21:10.47 | xnix | ok |
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| 21:10.52 | abrotman | xnix: which driver did you pick ? |
| 21:10.57 | xnix | ati |
| 21:11.03 | xnix | then i switched it to r128 |
| 21:11.08 | xnix | in the xorg docs |
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| 21:11.26 | xnix | it says the rage and r128 drivers are part of the ati driver |
| 21:11.46 | ladytootoo | hi everyone...can someone help with an issue i'm having with a raid controller? |
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| 21:12.15 | priest | ladytootoo, is it S-ATA? |
| 21:12.26 | xnix | abrotman, can you join #flood again |
| 21:12.32 | abrotman | xnix: i'm still there :) |
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| 21:13.15 | ladytootoo | hi priest! yes...it's a promise fasttrack S150 SX4..i've configured the bios so the array is 499GB...my debian box (2.6.12) just sees each individual drive..not the entire array |
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| 21:13.58 | ladytootoo | i was wanting to put lvm on that 499GB array...but it just lists each 250GB drive |
| 21:14.13 | ladytootoo | maybe i'm just missing something...i'm looking into mdadm now |
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| 21:14.46 | kataklysm | does anyone know why nicotine eats up all my cpu after it has been running about 30 minutes?? even if i have no searches or downloads in progress... |
| 21:14.49 | peterS | ladytootoo: is this 3 drives in RAID-5, or 2 drives in RAID-0 or linear mode? |
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| 21:14.58 | priest | ladytootoo, that's because the kernel can't use it in raid-mode. Check the vendors homepage if they have drivers for linux. |
| 21:15.09 | cio | Hi all. I'm running postfix, anyone know how to setup email 'groups', i.e., one email address to multiple users? |
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| 21:15.19 | ladytootoo | peters-it's 3 drives in raid 5 |
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| 21:15.32 | reticent | ladytootoo, its common for linux to show only the individual drives for cheap raid controllers and do their logic in software anyways |
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| 21:16.01 | ladytootoo | reticent..ah...so if i put mdadm or something i should be ok? |
| 21:16.11 | peterS | ladytootoo: priest's explanation is reasonable - see http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html#sx4 for details of the situation |
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| 21:16.21 | ladytootoo | thanks peters and priest |
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| 21:17.09 | priest | ladytootoo, yes, you can use mdadm to make a soft-raid. But disable your hard-raid first. |
| 21:17.12 | ChrisW | oh well, anyway, that's enopugh tiem spent digging on that |
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| 21:17.14 | peterS | ladytootoo: summary: if you can't get Promise's own driver to work, you can always use mdadm to create a *software* RAID5 array. that'll not be quite as fast, but should work just fine |
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| 21:17.19 | ChrisW | next up: I currently have a source install of Apache |
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| 21:17.24 | ChrisW | I want to move to the package |
| 21:17.30 | ladytootoo | ok this makes sense now....ok, thanks! maybe i could just go get a 3ware card |
| 21:17.32 | ladytootoo | :) |
| 21:17.47 | rambo3 | how do i find out what modul / driver my ethernet card is using? |
| 21:17.49 | ChrisW | I use Apache 2.0.x with mod_ssl stuff, what package should I install and how should I install it? |
| 21:17.53 | priest | ladytootoo, yes, buy a 3ware card :) |
| 21:18.00 | ladytootoo | you guys have saved me a lot of grief! |
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| 21:18.04 | ChrisW | just aptitude install apache2, or will that trash my existing config file? |
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| 21:18.16 | enerv | somebody running 3D in AGP Radeon 320? |
| 21:18.28 | ladytootoo | thanks guys! i really appreciate the help! |
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| 21:19.31 | cio | Anyone know how to setup a postfix/debian distribution list? |
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| 21:19.55 | calljair | hello guys |
| 21:20.03 | peterS | cio: you can use /etc/aliases, but if you need anything more manageable than that, you want to install real list software |
| 21:20.16 | cio | Thanks. |
| 21:20.31 | peterS | cio: real list software would include things like smartlist and mailman |
| 21:20.40 | peterS | (those are both widely used) |
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| 21:20.52 | calljair | I have a network with all ip addresses 192.168.168.2- 254, and I want to create another network separate on this network |
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| 21:21.13 | peterS | calljair: what's the problem? |
| 21:21.24 | calljair | peterS, hello |
| 21:21.27 | cio | peterS: Would I use /etc/aliases even if I'm running virtual alias domains? |
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| 21:21.42 | peterS | cio: oh, if you're running virtual domains you'd use specific alias files for each one |
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| 21:22.01 | calljair | peterS, I have my network with this ips: 192.168.168.1 this is my firewall |
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| 21:22.17 | cio | Thanks again. |
| 21:22.31 | calljair | peterS, I want to be able of have another network separate |
| 21:22.47 | peterS | calljair: is the other network physically separate, or do they share the same switches? |
| 21:22.55 | calljair | peterS, because this current network have a windows 2003 server with active directory |
| 21:23.11 | calljair | peterS, they share the same switches |
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| 21:23.30 | calljair | but I want to use a samba server as a Primary Master Browser |
| 21:23.36 | peterS | calljair: if those switches don't support vlans (and only expensive ones do), you can't really separate them |
| 21:23.37 | calljair | in the other network |
| 21:23.50 | calljair | hmmm |
| 21:23.54 | peterS | calljair: broadcast packets will go to both networks and there isn't much you can do about that |
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| 21:24.10 | resiak | raseac: ping! |
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| 21:24.30 | calljair | peterS, what I was thinking is, hmmm have a server with three network cards |
| 21:24.35 | resiak | Sorry, typo. |
| 21:24.39 | peterS | resiak: a bilingual monarch? |
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| 21:24.55 | peterS | calljair: that, you can have. but you still need two sets of switches |
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| 21:25.13 | calljair | peterS, I have two set of switches |
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| 21:25.32 | resiak | peterS: A bot in another channel whom I was attempting to /msg to test a hilight, but as you can see, I ECHANed :) |
| 21:25.38 | peterS | heh |
| 21:25.40 | calljair | my two switches are 24 and 24 ports |
| 21:25.54 | peterS | calljair: then it's easy enough. however, you should think about whether you *really* need two separate networks. multiple windows domains, including active directory, can coexist on one network |
| 21:26.01 | calljair | peterS, in one of the networks the current i will only need couple of ports |
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| 21:26.07 | drp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.19 | drp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.23 | calljair | peterS, but I want to put a samba server |
| 21:26.23 | kania | hi |
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| 21:26.35 | marstewel | drp: www.whatismyip.com |
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| 21:26.35 | mwilson | drp: Why "obviously"? |
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| 21:26.43 | calljair | peterS, and If I put both the AD windows and the samba I think I will have problems |
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| 21:27.01 | drp | mwilson: ok not obviously but ... |
| 21:27.03 | peterS | calljair: I think you won't |
| 21:27.13 | azeem | huh, another Joey |
| 21:27.19 | drp | marstewel: I'd prefer somethign from the command line |
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| 21:27.30 | peterS | azeem: since he's on OPN I guess we know who he *isn't* |
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| 21:27.41 | drp | mwilson: can i use ifconfig to find my outside ip? |
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| 21:27.47 | calljair | peterS, are you sure that if I use windows active directory as a Master browser and I add a samba server it will not be a problem with two master browsers? |
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| 21:28.07 | mwilson | drp: I'm not specifically familiar with m0n0wall (can't say as I'd bother, with a name like that), but assuming you're on the box running it, why wouldn't you be able to see all the interfaces? |
| 21:28.15 | calljair | peterS, I will have to design this idea better |
| 21:28.21 | peterS | calljair: I don't see why it would be a problem. one or the other will win the appropriate election and they should be fine with this |
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| 21:28.32 | calljair | hhmmm |
| 21:28.34 | calljair | ok |
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| 21:28.36 | Joey | how do i see what pkgs are installed ? |
| 21:28.38 | calljair | peterS, thank you |
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| 21:28.50 | marstewel | Joey: dpkg --list or dpkg --get-selections |
| 21:28.50 | calljair | peterS, I will check and start a design |
| 21:28.54 | drp | mwilson: no I'm not on the box runnign m0n0wall |
| 21:28.57 | mwilson | peterS: Well, if you do something stupid, you could have an election storm or similar. I'd think you'd have a lot to say about Samba. |
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| 21:29.17 | peterS | calljair: a windows PDC has problems if you try to usurp its role as domain master browser. but you are talking about two separate domains. |
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| 21:29.49 | calljair | right |
| 21:30.08 | peterS | mwilson: yeah, it's not like I have any experience with w2k3 servers and their browsing habits. they could cause problems I don't foresee |
| 21:30.10 | mwilson | drp: Do you have access to that box? If so, just ask it. If not, I'd as a first attempt traceroute out through it and note the first non-local IP. |
| 21:30.12 | calljair | will be basically a workgroup "samba" and a domain "windows1" |
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| 21:30.30 | mwilson | peterS: Was that supposed to be sarcasm? :) |
| 21:30.32 | calljair | the thing is that I want to start playing with samba |
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| 21:30.35 | drp | mwilson: k, thanks |
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| 21:30.41 | peterS | mwilson: no, I'm serious, I don't use w2k3 |
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| 21:31.11 | mwilson | drp: Hm, forget that approach, it won't work. |
| 21:31.18 | mwilson | drp: The masquerade hides it. |
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| 21:31.36 | mamolo_EL | anyone could help me? i want to know if there are some linux port for a movile phone , exactly the tsm100 from telefonica |
| 21:31.40 | kataklysm | can someone here help me with wine? i keep getting that my c://windows/ and c://windows/system are not accessible, but i can cd into them. i have my config in my $HOME/.wine/ also.. anyone know what the problem might be? |
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| 21:32.24 | luis_filipe | exit |
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| 21:33.58 | thaddeusw | I am having a problem accessing a second hard disk i recently installed. It is formatted XFS and i had it in a usb box before i hooked it up internally and it worked fine. now i cannot write to the disk unless I am root. What do i do? |
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| 21:34.26 | peterS | lilo: question. someone here asked yesterday how to contact ircops. I told him "/stats p", but that doesn't seem to work very well - it shows 0 staff members. is that still the correct way to find people? |
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| 21:35.13 | nvz | thaddeusw: change the ownership of the files and directories |
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| 21:35.57 | shadowcat | what is the command to manually start gnome? |
| 21:35.58 | nvz | thaddeusw: or the permissions |
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| 21:36.07 | nvz | shadowcat: gnome-session |
| 21:36.08 | lakcaj | gnome-session? |
| 21:36.13 | shadowcat | nvz: thanks |
| 21:36.38 | vagabund | look at "lilo" - |
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| 21:37.07 | vagabund | thats boaring |
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| 21:38.17 | mwilson | Anyone know off the top of their heads whether rss2email supports RSS 2.0 or not? |
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| 21:39.09 | nvz | o_O |
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| 21:40.02 | doublehp | what does TLD stands for ? |
| 21:40.10 | streuner | !tld |
| 21:40.10 | dpkg | from memory, tld is top level domain. .com, .org, .edu, and so on; also includes the country top-level domains .au, .it, .cx and so on, or see http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm for a complete listing |
| 21:40.22 | streuner | nvz: you ever listen to 'europe'? |
| 21:40.27 | nvz | Too Little Dick |
| 21:40.39 | nvz | I couldnt hear europe from here |
| 21:40.43 | bucky | streuner, theatre rock ? |
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| 21:40.47 | nvz | theres that whole ocean between us |
| 21:40.47 | peterS | surely they're not still around |
| 21:40.55 | streuner | bucky: old rock |
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| 21:41.05 | bucky | i remember them |
| 21:41.10 | peterS | so a band called europe ... these days are they union or non-union? |
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| 21:41.41 | doublehp | nvz: lol :) |
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| 21:42.07 | chaica | hi, I'm trying to create a kernel_image with make-kpkg, but I have some issues. I'm using make-kpkg --initrd --version custom01 kernel_image Is it all what I need? |
| 21:42.10 | thaddeusw | even making a directory on the disk as root and then chmod it to allow others to write to it is not working, unless i am doing something wrong. I am very new to linux |
| 21:42.22 | Joey | how do i check if my system needs patches ? |
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| 21:42.59 | streuner | Joey: if you have to ask, you don't need any then |
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| 21:43.11 | masteraccurate | hi there, where can i get some debian bootstrap? for a root server installation? on ftp.debian.org? |
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| 21:43.19 | masteraccurate | or ftp.de.debian.org? |
| 21:43.31 | streuner | !debootstrap |
| 21:43.31 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, is used to create a Debian base system from scratch, without requiring the availability of dpkgapt. It does this by downloading .deb files from a mirror site. |
| 21:43.44 | Joey | streuner wanting to make sure its scure |
| 21:43.46 | masteraccurate | thx |
| 21:44.04 | stew | masteraccurate: you are trying to bootstrap from another linux, or install from cd? |
| 21:44.05 | streuner | masteraccurate: well, visit packages.debian.org and search for debootstrap |
| 21:44.17 | Dantix | Hi all, I have installed a Postfix and seems to be working but I received messages like "warning: /usr/lib/postfix/nqmgr: bad command startup" in mail.log, what is worng? |
| 21:44.19 | masteraccurate | from a delicated server |
| 21:44.28 | streuner | Joey: *shrug* |
| 21:44.30 | Yulia | i am compiling my kernel 2.6.13.2 With this processor, wich one should i choose in menuconfig? 386?? model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.80GHz |
| 21:44.47 | masteraccurate | i will install it in rescue mode over ssh |
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| 21:45.40 | meriad | how do I find out what brand of harddrive is in a system? |
| 21:45.44 | vagabund | but I stay for a while - |
| 21:45.50 | Yulia | or 6x86 would works? |
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| 21:46.00 | By-Tor | meriad: pop the lid and read the label ;) |
| 21:46.00 | meriad | dmesg doesnt show the manufacturer, or model number,. oddly enuf. |
| 21:46.02 | streuner | meriad: hdparm |
| 21:46.03 | stew | Yulia: you should choose Pentium M |
| 21:46.11 | meriad | hdparm eh? |
| 21:46.14 | masteraccurate | hmm cyal8r... |
| 21:46.17 | masteraccurate | :) |
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| 21:47.02 | meriad | how exactly wouold you go about getting that info with hdparm? |
| 21:47.05 | meriad | By-Tor; its a remote machine |
| 21:47.21 | streuner | meriad: hdparm -i /dev/hd(x) |
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| 21:47.36 | streuner | meriad: ssh to the remote box and execute this command |
| 21:48.02 | streuner | meriad: or install phpsysinfo |
| 21:48.05 | Kovecses | hey guys....im getting Mounting Local Filesystems.....failed.......at boot? |
| 21:48.08 | streuner | !info phpsysinfo |
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| 21:48.14 | dpkg | phpsysinfo: (PHP based host information), section web, is optional. Version: 2.3-6 (sid), Packaged size: 162 kB, Installed size: 1504 kB |
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| 21:49.37 | Kovecses | wow im only using 92 megs of ram? |
| 21:49.52 | streuner | meriad: http://weda.mine.nu/phpsysinfo/ |
| 21:49.57 | vagabund | this world is boaring - but I stay for a while - ;) |
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| 21:50.02 | meriad | streuner: and doesnt hdparm not work on scsi drives? |
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| 21:50.25 | streuner | meriad: hdparm is only for IDE |
| 21:50.51 | meriad | i thought so |
| 21:50.51 | meriad | heh |
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| 21:50.59 | meriad | I dont want to isntall PHP garbage |
| 21:51.00 | meriad | on my machine |
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| 21:51.40 | meriad | i'll just scan thru proc. |
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| 21:52.14 | debiannoobie | Hi all.... can anyone possibly help with accessing my 3ware raid in debian 3.1? |
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| 21:52.33 | r3tex | where do i get my "debian approved" kernel sources? |
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| 21:52.48 | Kovecses | r3tex, apt-get them |
| 21:52.53 | Muk9578 | :o |
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| 21:52.55 | r3tex | Kovecses: what command ;) |
| 21:53.01 | EmleyMoor | r3tex: There's nothing special about them though... |
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| 21:53.21 | HAMM3R | How can i make mbmon be able to be run by "hamm3r" insted of just root ? |
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| 21:53.26 | r3tex | EmleyMoor: no prob, just want everything debian so if something goes wrong i can shout and not feel responsible |
| 21:53.28 | Kovecses | r3tex, you only need kernel-headers if you are trying to compile something |
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| 21:53.33 | Muk9578 | i have a question about formatting in linux, i formatted to linux. and it seemed succesful. but after formatted, i did not get a visual interface, instead i got like a Dos window, asking for my login/password |
| 21:53.49 | bibe | hi, i'm installing debian on an old laptop with pcmcia network card. allthough network interface works, a msg "etho0: interrupt(s) dropped" is displayed every 10 seconds... eth0 is extreme slow. what can i do? |
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| 21:53.59 | thaddeusw | still no luck getting write access to my second hard disk. i created a directory as root and chmod it to lets others and group write to it but still no luck. |
| 21:54.04 | r3tex | Kovecses: aptitude sais i have gcc 3.3 installed but i cant use the cc command and so forth |
| 21:54.05 | Kovecses | hey guys....im getting Mounting Local Filesystems.....failed.......at boot? |
| 21:54.06 | gan|y|med | hi all. i have debian testing installed and i am using kde. however, i use some gtk progrms as well. to make it short: whem i change the themes the chages are not saved |
| 21:54.13 | NuDragon | Muk9578 its not dos, thats the linux login prompt. enter the username and password you used during configuration, then get a newbie book and learn linux use |
| 21:54.23 | EmleyMoor | r3tex: The kernel-source-* packages have the kernel sources as currently officially used, but there is no problem with rolling your own from www.kernel.org and using kernel-package to make it .deb |
| 21:54.23 | Muk9578 | :/ |
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| 21:54.32 | amahbod | how can i view how much network usage i have had on a single day? |
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| 21:54.40 | Kovecses | r3tex, what are you trying to do? |
| 21:54.41 | asv | question, when attempting to install some packages with apt-get on my sarge system, i get perl debconf errors like: Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm.. Any ideas? |
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| 21:55.13 | amahbod | how can i view how much i have uploaded or downloaded? |
| 21:55.19 | Muk9578 | well, i put my name/password in, i just didn't know what to do next |
| 21:55.24 | Muk9578 | ty for the 'help' |
| 21:55.26 | amahbod | is there a text file from which i can access that information in proc? |
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| 21:55.46 | r3tex | Kovecses: compile something, a kernel for instance |
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| 21:55.53 | NuDragon | Muk9578 were you able to log in successfully? |
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| 21:55.55 | abuntic | can someone help me? |
| 21:55.56 | Muk9578 | yes |
| 21:56.03 | Muk9578 | after that, nothing happened |
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| 21:56.08 | amahbod | how can i view how much i have uploaded or downloaded during a single day? is there a text file from which i can access that information in proc? |
| 21:56.10 | NuDragon | Muk9578 ok, did you configure the monitor during installation? |
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| 21:56.47 | Aim_Here | abuntic: We don't know. Can someone help you? |
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| 21:56.50 | Kovecses | r3tex, yeah just grab kernel headers |
| 21:56.54 | Muk9578 | err, the monitor as in the screen i am looking at? in that case, no |
| 21:57.09 | abuntic | I need a recovery distro. |
| 21:57.11 | Muk9578 | Login: w/e my login was |
| 21:57.11 | r3tex | Kovecses: whaaaaat? no compiler :P |
| 21:57.12 | NuDragon | Muk9578 did you use 'root' as your username? |
| 21:57.15 | EmleyMoor | In case I need it with my new DVD drives, is there an easy way to set the region in Debian? |
| 21:57.15 | Muk9578 | no |
| 21:57.21 | Muk9578 | Pass: w/e my pass was |
| 21:57.28 | NuDragon | Muk9578 do you know the root password? |
| 21:57.29 | Kovecses | r3tex, well i think debian comes with a compiler |
| 21:57.32 | Muk9578 | yes |
| 21:57.35 | NuDragon | good |
| 21:57.39 | r3tex | Kovecses: yes it should |
| 21:57.40 | NuDragon | then type 'exit' |
| 21:57.43 | Muk9578 | i did |
| 21:57.44 | bucky | r3tex, apt-get build-essential |
| 21:57.46 | NuDragon | then log in with root as the username |
| 21:57.48 | Muk9578 | after that, i got back into the login |
| 21:57.51 | NuDragon | and its password |
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| 21:58.25 | peterS | amahbod: you can run 'ifconfig' to see RX and TX stats, but the problem is wraparound every 4 GB |
| 21:58.28 | NuDragon | after that, type 'xf86config' to configure graphics |
| 21:58.33 | peterS | amahbod: so 4.1 GB looks like 0.1 GB |
| 21:58.33 | r3tex | bucky: what does that put in? |
| 21:58.55 | NuDragon | its self-explainatory, but you may need to look up your monitor's specifications online or in its manual |
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| 21:58.59 | Muk9578 | after i configure the graphics, will i be braugt into a GUI? |
| 21:59.01 | Kovecses | r3tex, it will tell you |
| 21:59.05 | Muk9578 | braught* |
| 21:59.06 | bucky | build tools apt-cache show build-essential |
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| 21:59.26 | NuDragon | Muk9578 to start the GUI, you type 'startx' as your normal user, once everythings configured |
| 21:59.37 | bucky | r3tex, it might be a good idea to look at the debian reference chapter 7 |
| 21:59.42 | Muk9578 | ok, ty |
| 21:59.43 | Muk9578 | i will try that |
| 21:59.43 | abuntic | Aim_Here: I am looking for a recovery distro for my debian server whos hard drive pretty much died |
| 21:59.45 | Muk9578 | :) |
| 22:00.04 | pem3v78 | where can I find a kernel 2.6 config for sarge installer ? |
| 22:00.08 | NuDragon | it is also possible to configure a graphical login by typing 'apt-get install xdm' as root, but wait until later to do that |
| 22:00.22 | Kovecses | abuntic, you can get freedos disk repair utilities |
| 22:00.26 | peterS | pem3v78: after you've installed it will be in /boot/config-2.6.8-something-or-other |
| 22:00.49 | abuntic | Aim_Here: and this can be burned to a cd? |
| 22:01.06 | pem3v78 | I need config of kernel on cd image |
| 22:01.16 | amahbod | how can i view how much i have uploaded or downloaded during a single day? is there a text file from which i can access that information in proc? |
| 22:01.23 | abuntic | Kovecses: sorry and thank you |
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| 22:01.33 | peterS | amahbod: I answered you already |
| 22:01.36 | peterS | amahbod: maybe pay attention |
| 22:01.36 | Aim_Here | abuntic: I don't know, I didn't answer you. I'm partial to the Helix: Incident Reporting and Forensics CD meself |
| 22:01.38 | Kovecses | abuntic, it fits on a floppy |
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| 22:01.45 | amahbod | peterS, thanks, sorry |
| 22:01.46 | vagabund | burn a cdimage of your live - hrhr |
| 22:02.05 | Kovecses | hey guys....im getting Mounting Local Filesystems.....failed.......at boot? |
| 22:02.18 | stew | pem3v78: /msg dpkg config-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 22:02.22 | NuDragon | does anyone know when the next debian revision will be released (ex, 3.1r1)? |
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| 22:02.27 | abuntic | Kovecses: I dont have a floppy |
| 22:02.41 | Aim_Here | NuDragon: no |
| 22:02.43 | amahbod | peterS, but is there any way to view per-day stats |
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| 22:02.49 | Kovecses | abuntic, well it can go to cd ...... or a usb drive |
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| 22:02.56 | jerome | if I install horde with debian packages, how do I set things for horde to be served AND to be updated with apt ? I usually don't use packages for web apps. |
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| 22:03.01 | Kovecses | NuDragon, just use testing |
| 22:03.04 | peterS | amahbod: why would the kernel keep per-day stats? you'd need an analysis tool to add and subtract for you |
| 22:03.13 | pem3v78 | stew: superb |
| 22:03.16 | Yulia | stew, for compile kernel for my laptop, should be enought with this information-->http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/es/es/ho/WF06b/21955-186135-179493-179493-179493-12150564-37666391.html |
| 22:03.17 | abuntic | Kovecses, Aim_Here: thank you |
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| 22:03.56 | stew | Yulia: i don't understand the question |
| 22:03.57 | amahbod | peterS, because gkrellm keeps stats for per day, per week, and per month, and i was wondering how it does it :/ |
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| 22:04.03 | NuDragon | im not looking for bleeding-edge apps, just wondering when so that i can be ready for my daily update to be larger than usual |
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| 22:04.21 | donw_ | Is there a way to force X to keep a ModeLine, even if it's not supported by the current display? It' |
| 22:04.23 | peterS | amahbod: I'm guessing it maintains all of that in memory. however, this is debian. that means you have access to all the source code. so you can find out for yourself. |
| 22:04.35 | Kovecses | NuDragon, ther is no set date |
| 22:04.42 | donw_ | It's rather a pain to restart X whenever I dock my laptop, and Xrandr by-and-large seems to allow me to resize the screen. |
| 22:04.43 | Kovecses | NuDragon, but it wont be for a while |
| 22:04.45 | amahbod | peterS, thx |
| 22:04.47 | Yulia | stew, for personalice my kernel,with that hardware information is enought? |
| 22:05.05 | NuDragon | donw_ perhaps, Option "IgnoreEDID" "True" |
| 22:05.19 | NuDragon | but that may be nvidia-specific |
| 22:05.29 | vagabund | peterS: when you sleep dream you about that ? |
| 22:05.39 | stew | Yulia: uh yeah, i guess. i'm not sure why you want to personalize your kernel |
| 22:05.40 | peterS | vagabund: sometimes |
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| 22:06.10 | Yulia | stew, by defaults all is set as module |
| 22:06.44 | Kovecses | what desktop environments do you guys use? |
| 22:06.55 | peterS | Windows 95 |
| 22:07.01 | Kovecses | oh no |
| 22:07.04 | Ronin | dos ;) |
| 22:07.12 | stew | Kovecses: i'm usually sitting on a couch, not at a desk |
| 22:07.27 | Aim_Here | I use no steenking desktop environment |
| 22:07.32 | Yulia | stew, this will do kernel too big and slow?? |
| 22:07.49 | Kovecses | EmleyMoor, icewm-gnome? do you usae both or is that an actual wm? |
| 22:07.59 | EmleyMoor | That is an actual wm |
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| 22:08.00 | stew | Yulia: it might take a few seconds extra to boot, but it will not be noticably slower after booting |
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| 22:08.17 | stew | noticeably* |
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| 22:08.24 | gravity | pornwm |
| 22:08.32 | Kovecses | EmleyMoor, you have a screenie? |
| 22:08.46 | EmleyMoor | Kovecses: Frayed knot. |
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| 22:09.45 | Kovecses | EmleyMoor, does it look just like regular icewm .... but it just has gnome support? |
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| 22:10.29 | EmleyMoor | Kovecses: Yes, it does. Nice themes though - have one that looks like Windows XP at the moment |
| 22:10.40 | Querryngton | I have an geek querry: How does the programming languages makes the comp. understand the commands ? i.e. in bash how the comp. understands what to do ? It converts that to binary, but how the machines knows waht to do with: 01110101111010100101 |
| 22:10.50 | Querryngton | something I had read ? |
| 22:10.52 | NuDragon | how would i go about having my project, antiright, added to the contrib package repository? |
| 22:10.55 | Kovecses | EmleyMoor, yeah ive always liked icewm |
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| 22:11.30 | NuDragon | Querryngton binary data triggers CPU instructions to process following data |
| 22:11.34 | Guerin | NuDragon: package it and file a rfp on the bts. |
| 22:11.41 | InsaneInside | Can anyone tell me the difference between netkit-inetd and inetutils-inetd? |
| 22:11.43 | stew | NuDragon: you need to find a sponsor for the package, once you have a package prepared, post a link to it on #debian-mentors or to the debian-mentors list |
| 22:11.48 | stew | not an rfp, an itp |
| 22:11.51 | Kovecses | EmleyMoor, but why an xp theme???? isnt the goal not to be like windows |
| 22:11.55 | NuDragon | ty |
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| 22:12.07 | Guerin | Kovecses: no. |
| 22:12.11 | donw_ | NuDragon: Yep, that's NV only. |
| 22:12.20 | EmleyMoor | Kovecses: I find the sophistication vs. the minimality is just right |
| 22:12.23 | NuDragon | ok |
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| 22:13.39 | Kovecses | Guerin, shut up |
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| 22:13.39 | aardvarq | Okay, I'm using debian AMD64. I upgraded libc6 and it hosed the box during the upgrade. |
| 22:13.39 | aardvarq | # ls |
| 22:13.39 | aardvarq | ls: relocation error: /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 with link time reference |
| 22:13.39 | Querryngton | so how the programming languages are made ? |
| 22:13.39 | aardvarq | Anyone know anything about shared libraries have any idea how I fix this? |
| 22:13.39 | stew | NuDragon: oh wait, maybe an rfp. have you pacakged it or plan to packag it yourself, if so file an itp /msg dpkg itp, if you want someone else to package it /msg dpkg rfp |
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| 22:13.46 | NuDragon | that option allows me to run dual-headed with 15 inch monitors at 1280x960 each |
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| 22:13.49 | Querryngton | is there a kind of basic language ? |
| 22:13.51 | stew | NuDragon: why contrib? does it depend on non-free software? |
| 22:14.06 | NuDragon | no |
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| 22:14.08 | Aim_Here | Querryngton, The first programming languages were made by someone writing out the strings of binary by hand. Later on, people used computer programs to do that job |
| 22:14.11 | NuDragon | its hosted on savannah |
| 22:14.38 | NuDragon | im just new to the official debian package process, so i only assumed contrib |
| 22:15.07 | EmleyMoor | Querryngton: I did the deep language of the 8085 processor at university - it began to make sense then |
| 22:15.08 | vagabund | I dont wanna hurd you peterS |
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| 22:15.22 | peterS | good, because I don't want to run the hurd either |
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| 22:15.39 | Querryngton | oohhh so processors had their own language ? |
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| 22:15.45 | NuDragon | have you experience with the hurd? whats it like? |
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| 22:15.52 | stew | NuDragon: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 22:15.53 | Aim_Here | Querryngton, yes. |
| 22:15.57 | NuDragon | Querryngton yes, called the "instruction set" |
| 22:16.00 | linuxg0d | micro kernel |
| 22:16.02 | linuxg0d | hmmm |
| 22:16.02 | Querryngton | oohhhh |
| 22:16.06 | EmleyMoor | Querryngton: Yes... the actual binary of the opcodes has pattern to it |
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| 22:16.20 | stew | NuDragon: if its free it would go in main |
| 22:16.21 | NuDragon | ty stew |
| 22:16.38 | NuDragon | ok, it is free |
| 22:16.49 | gravity | NuDragon: What license? |
| 22:16.54 | NuDragon | GPL |
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| 22:16.56 | gravity | Ok |
| 22:17.00 | Querryngton | anyway, going deeper,.. how does the instruction set works ? |
| 22:17.14 | gravity | Querryngton: You need to google "assembly language" and do some reading |
| 22:17.14 | bigl | is sarge 3.1 r0a - the current stable or unstable? Downloaded this DVD |
| 22:17.17 | Guerin | um |
| 22:17.27 | EmleyMoor | sarge is stable |
| 22:17.29 | Querryngton | ok tnkz |
| 22:17.33 | Guerin | if it's free, but depends on something in non-free or outside debian, it would go in contrib |
| 22:17.43 | donw_ | EmleyMoor: Unless you bring up 'nam. Then you'd better watch out. |
| 22:17.43 | EmleyMoor | etch is testing, and sid is and will always be unstable |
| 22:17.50 | NuDragon | its a gui interface to bash, and a sample desktop environment written as a bash script. like apps are created by command line parameters to arshell |
| 22:17.56 | Kovecses | etch is cool |
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| 22:18.16 | EmleyMoor | donw_: Sorry, I don't get the meaning of what you just said |
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| 22:18.25 | bigl | there are two different DVD binary discs though 3.1 and 3.1r0a - what is the 3.1r0a difference? |
| 22:18.26 | Guerin | Kovecses: you asked a question, i answered it. |
| 22:18.38 | thingfish | bigl: if you downloaded 3.1r0a, you have the current stable release, called sarge. |
| 22:18.46 | Kovecses | Guerin, i didnt ask you a question |
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| 22:18.54 | streuner | bigl: it fixed a bug in 3.1 |
| 22:18.58 | Guerin | Kovecses: no, you asked a question in a public channel. |
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| 22:19.01 | bigl | k - thx |
| 22:19.06 | NuDragon | my project is in the GNU free software directory, so i shouldnt have any problems requesting a package for main |
| 22:19.09 | donw_ | EmleyMoor: You said 'Sarge is stable.'. |
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| 22:19.33 | EmleyMoor | donw_: ... |
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| 22:19.39 | Kovecses | Guerin, just shut up |
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| 22:19.55 | Guerin | Kovecses: if you don't want replies, don't ask questions. |
| 22:20.09 | wookienz | hi, when i download .deb files and want to dpkg them where do they save to? |
| 22:20.13 | kataklysm | can someone here help me with wine? i keep getting that my c://windows/ and c://windows/system are not accessible, but i can cd into them. i have my config in my $HOME/.wine/ also.. anyone know what the problem might be? |
| 22:20.18 | Kovecses | Guerin, scroll up |
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| 22:20.51 | Guerin | Kovecses: thanks, I can read. |
| 22:20.51 | Kovecses | Guerin, scroll up i wasnt asking YOU anythinh |
| 22:20.53 | Kovecses | Guerin, scroll up i wasnt asking YOU anything |
| 22:21.05 | bigl | streuner - for some reason in the apt settings for the DVD under distrobution it says unstable - any idea why this would be? |
| 22:21.08 | peterS | Kovecses: plonk |
| 22:21.16 | gravity | Kovecses: Calm down. /ignore if you don't want to hear someone |
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| 22:21.19 | EmleyMoor | kataklysm: Have you checked permissions? |
| 22:21.19 | Guerin | Kovecses: no, you were asking IN CHANNEL. We've been here before, |
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| 22:21.37 | kataklysm | EmleyMoor: its in my home directory.. so thats not an issue |
| 22:21.40 | streuner | bigl: no |
| 22:21.41 | Kovecses | i hate people that come into chatrooms just to act like big guys....when i reality |
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| 22:21.48 | Guerin | wtf |
| 22:21.57 | liable | bigl: you can safely ingnore it though. |
| 22:22.10 | streuner | bigl: Don't use unstable if you a beginner in debian |
| 22:22.14 | EmleyMoor | kataklysm: You wouldn't think so but please double-check. Also, check the apps database on www.winehq.org |
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| 22:22.39 | elnath | kataklysm: permisions can be an issue even if files R in your home dir |
| 22:23.08 | kataklysm | elnath: i have proper permissions i know already |
| 22:23.11 | streuner | Kovecses: /ignore is your friend |
| 22:23.13 | Guerin | bah, nfs is being a pain in the arse |
| 22:23.18 | streuner | heh |
| 22:23.23 | Kovecses | streuner, sure is |
| 22:23.39 | Kovecses | hey guys....im getting Mounting Local Filesystems.....failed.......at boot? |
| 22:23.45 | bigl | streuner - it's not unstable - its the 3.1r0a DVD - should be sarge with the bug update - just adds the apt sources as unstable - I believe they are the stable packages tho |
| 22:23.50 | Guerin | Kovecses: check your fstab |
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| 22:24.05 | Guerin | all files I create on this filesystem are owned and 600 by a user ... i'd like them to be at least world-readable |
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| 22:24.15 | Guerin | err, group readable |
| 22:24.21 | streuner | bigl: not possible or you managed to 'alter' sources.list |
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| 22:24.42 | liable | streuner: they all say unstable i think. |
| 22:24.49 | streuner | hm |
| 22:24.51 | stew | Guerin: what is your umask? |
| 22:25.14 | kataklysm | elnath and EmleyMoor, i have RWX for my user, RX for others and group... so its not perms |
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| 22:25.36 | elnath | kataklysm: any logs ? |
| 22:25.38 | Guerin | stew: for the nfs server itself, or specifically on the nfs server machine |
| 22:25.52 | stew | Guerin: for the user creating the files |
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| 22:25.57 | elnath | kataklysm: in ~/.wine/ |
| 22:25.58 | stew | on the client |
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| 22:26.19 | kataklysm | i installed the winesetuptk program, and it configured everything. the funny thing is that when I install wine it wants to remove winesetuptk... |
| 22:26.21 | stian | !find tcl |
| 22:26.23 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'tcl' (15 of 81): cl-tclink ;; entity-tcl ;; expect-tcl8.3 ;; expect-tcl8.3-dev ;; gdtclft ;; gnustep-netclasses ;; hamlib3-tcl ;; hfsutils-tcltk ;; itcl3 ;; itcl3-dev ;; itcl3-doc ;; itcl3.0 ;; itcl3.0-dev ;; itcl3.1 ;; itcl3.1-dev. |
| 22:26.25 | Guerin | stew: 0022 |
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| 22:27.17 | kataklysm | all i have are config fake_windows system.reg userdef.reg user.reg |
| 22:27.17 | kataklysm | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.23 | stew | Guerin: wierd, they server permissions follow the umask as expected here (just double checked) |
| 22:27.56 | kataklysm | and in the config, the paths all point to the proper directories in my filesystem |
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| 22:28.03 | stew | Guerin: i'm mounting with just mount server:/share /mountpoint; no other options |
| 22:28.30 | cockroach | i'm trying to use postfix' verify service but all i get is "451 Server configuration error" - does anyone happen to know how i can enable/fix that? |
| 22:28.47 | dasunt | I'm trying to set up urxvt to use roughly the same font as the default rxvt does in Debian. Suggestions? |
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| 22:28.55 | elnath | kataklysm: try running wine from shell ,that may give you some debug info |
| 22:29.05 | kataklysm | elnath: yes it does |
| 22:29.15 | Zomb | dasunt: when you got it, send a note to blade@debian.org |
| 22:29.17 | elnath | only 'not accesible' ? |
| 22:29.30 | kataklysm | says it can not Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not accessible. |
| 22:29.30 | kataklysm | Warning: the specified System directory L"c:\\windows\\system" is not accessible |
| 22:29.33 | kataklysm | thats what i get |
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| 22:29.43 | kataklysm | but i have them set right in the config |
| 22:29.49 | dasunt | Zomb: !? |
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| 22:30.03 | Kovecses | hey guys....im getting Mounting Local Filesystems.....failed.......at boot? |
| 22:30.04 | kataklysm | unless wine is trying to read a config somewhere other than where winesetuptk put it in /home/godmachine81/.wine/ |
| 22:30.09 | Zomb | dasunt: the font setting |
| 22:30.10 | thingfish | you know they should just throw away all the other linuxes. |
| 22:30.25 | dasunt | Zomb: Can't figure it out. :( |
| 22:30.33 | dasunt | I'm taking it that you are blade@debian.org? |
| 22:30.42 | elnath | i havent got wine installed but as far as I can remember there was a --verbose option or smth like that .. |
| 22:30.59 | Zomb | dasunt: maybe, maybe not, just assume that for now |
| 22:31.18 | Wyzard | Quick question -- is there a way to check whether the current running kernel has 4k or 8k stacks? |
| 22:31.44 | kataklysm | arning: could not find DOS drive for current working directory '/home/godmachine81', starting in the Windows directory. |
| 22:31.44 | kataklysm | wine: cannot open (null) |
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| 22:32.26 | vagabund | !wine |
| 22:32.26 | dpkg | wine is probably at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 22:32.55 | stew | hard to believe that it will actually contribute much to the death of M$ |
| 22:33.02 | kataklysm | vagabund: was that necessary? |
| 22:33.04 | jjazz | stew: Why do you say that? |
| 22:33.16 | Kovecses | wine sucks |
| 22:33.17 | stian | configure: error: Unable to find Tcl directory or Tcl package is not tcl-dev..... what can i do? |
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| 22:33.35 | elnath | vagabund: it doesn't help much :( |
| 22:33.41 | streuner | stian: what app? |
| 22:33.45 | stian | amsn |
| 22:33.46 | stew | jjazz: cuz it seems like too much of a pain to actually got hordes of people off windows |
| 22:33.59 | streuner | stian: its in debian, i think |
| 22:34.03 | streuner | !info amsn |
| 22:34.05 | dpkg | amsn: (An MSN messenger written in tcl), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.94-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1945 kB, Installed size: 6976 kB |
| 22:34.30 | stian | streuner, i want to compile it my self to get the cvs version.. |
| 22:34.31 | vagabund | elnath: by what? |
| 22:34.46 | streuner | stian: get the deb and look into depends |
| 22:34.51 | Guerin | stew: i'm mounting out of fstab with rw,users,hard,intr |
| 22:34.53 | jjazz | stew: I could name a bunch of instances where Wine is eating Microsoft's lunch. It's not desktop users so much as situations where an org is rolling out 100 boxes for specific purposes. They need some Win compatibility, and they use Linux+Wine to get it w/o paying the MS license fee. |
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| 22:35.04 | Guerin | stew: oh, and using nfs-user-server, if that matters |
| 22:35.05 | dasunt | Zomb: I can't get it. :( |
| 22:35.08 | hogmeat | anyone heard of util called 'ip' ? |
| 22:35.09 | Guerin | which it potentially does |
| 22:35.10 | Joey | whats the pkg name for lighhttp |
| 22:35.15 | peterS | hogmeat: it's in the 'iproute' package |
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| 22:35.25 | hogmeat | peterS, ty |
| 22:35.41 | kataklysm | hmm could it possibly be that I am using ReiserFS, and the config file for wine has got win95 which is for ext2FS ?? |
| 22:35.52 | kataklysm | i wouldnt think that would matter actually |
| 22:36.03 | streuner | stian: /msg dpkg depends amsn |
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| 22:36.10 | Joey | !lighttpd |
| 22:36.15 | Aim_Here | wine is picky over filesystems. It certainly doesn't like being pointed at anything on an ntfs drive |
| 22:36.17 | elnath | kataklysm: nah, t doesnt matter |
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| 22:36.25 | elnath | it* |
| 22:36.40 | jjazz | stew: Columbia University, for example, put up a bunch of kiosks for their students to check email and surf the web. It runs Linux and uses Wine to provide the DLLs for plugins so the browsers run as expected with all the flash and quicktime stuff. Wine is in decent right now for certain situations. |
| 22:36.43 | kataklysm | Aim_Here, its pointed at my fake_windows directory that is in my /home/user/.wine/ directory |
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| 22:37.04 | elnath | kataklysm: have U tried to reboot computer ?? :) [kidding] |
| 22:37.07 | Zomb | dasunt: let me try |
| 22:37.09 | kataklysm | lol |
| 22:37.24 | jjazz | kataklysm: Wine works better if you have a native install of Windows on another partition. If you have one you should use it. |
| 22:37.26 | shay | ekix, that's bash.org on the way |
| 22:37.29 | shay | err |
| 22:37.32 | shay | s/ekix/elnath/ |
| 22:37.50 | elnath | jjazz: it needs only the libs |
| 22:38.00 | jjazz | elnath: Right. |
| 22:38.02 | elnath | jjazz: but good idea |
| 22:38.08 | streuner | stian: or just ask #ubuntu ;-) |
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| 22:38.20 | kataklysm | elnath, well i think its kinda crazy im in here asking something about wine... ihave set up wine several times, and this is far from being my first attempt at *nix.. i just cant figure out why it doesnt run.. the config has my filesystem all mapped out properly, plus i have the proper perms everywhere.. it dont really make much sense |
| 22:38.42 | r3tex | if i have an unstable source in my sources.list what will apt-get update to? |
| 22:38.54 | r3tex | will it update to unstable? |
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| 22:39.08 | gravity | Yes |
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| 22:39.13 | streuner | hm |
| 22:39.14 | kataklysm | r3tex: if they arent't commented out, YES |
| 22:39.31 | stew | r3tex: man apt_preferences ; /msg dpkg pinning |
| 22:39.54 | elnath | kataklysm: probably there is some coma or '/' missing in config :) |
| 22:39.55 | interbird | kataklysm: doesn't even calc run ? |
| 22:40.03 | stew | Guerin: i'm using the kernel server, i'll try those mount options in a sec, but i doubt they would make a difference |
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| 22:40.20 | Zomb | dasunt: I don't get it either, may be lucidatypewriter |
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| 22:40.27 | kataklysm | it says that it cant access my C:\ and C:\windows etc |
| 22:40.47 | kataklysm | "Path" = "/home/godmachine81/.wine/fake_windows" |
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| 22:41.05 | kataklysm | thats where its trying to see c:\ |
| 22:41.37 | kataklysm | "Windows" = "C:\\Windows" |
| 22:41.40 | elnath | it's your home dir . |
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| 22:41.50 | interbird | kataklysm: maybe try to map C: onto loop-device like a ext2 in a file. |
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| 22:42.08 | elnath | ? |
| 22:42.11 | kataklysm | "System" = "C:\\Windows\\System" |
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| 22:42.20 | kataklysm | interbird i have no idea what your talking about |
| 22:42.32 | Zomb | dasunt: it is not lucidatypewrite but quite similar to '-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-*-*-m-*-iso10646-1' |
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| 22:43.01 | vagabund | kataklysm: then run a systen you like - |
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| 22:43.07 | Guerin | stew: yeah. I'll test with kernel-server this evening |
| 22:43.19 | kataklysm | vagabund: what ? |
| 22:43.24 | gan|y|med | hi. does anybody know where gnome throws the icon themes? |
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| 22:43.41 | kataklysm | run a system i like?? would i be running debian if i didnt like it? |
| 22:43.44 | Guerin | gan|y|med: /usr/share/ |
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| 22:44.04 | Guerin | kataklysm: lots of people run systems they don't like |
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| 22:44.05 | kataklysm | i only want wine to work so i can let my little boy which is 5 play a game on here that is on a cd he got.... |
| 22:44.24 | kataklysm | Guerin: well thats not my case ;) |
| 22:44.37 | liable | gan|y|med: the actuall icons? |
| 22:44.42 | gan|y|med | thx. i wanna make a custom theme and change to the "lush" icons, but it doesn't change, only when i change the whole theme to lush... |
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| 22:44.55 | interbird | kataklysm: about wine not being able to access files -- redirect to ext2 filesystem in file -- loop-mounted -- just to make sure target-fs is not the problem. |
| 22:45.01 | Aim_Here | Windows CD games often have copy protection, and in that case, Cedega, which is proprietary, is more likely to work |
| 22:45.08 | dasunt | Zomb: How would I decrease the font size for that? |
| 22:45.13 | gan|y|med | post-installed theme (suede, e.g.) work in contrast |
| 22:45.15 | Aim_Here | But you have to pay actual money for it |
| 22:45.20 | kataklysm | ahh i know what u mean now.. |
| 22:45.22 | jordo23 | Simple newb question: What's the linux command line command to check the systems IP address? |
| 22:45.40 | pem3v78 | jordo23: ifconfig |
| 22:45.44 | Aim_Here | netstat -i -e |
| 22:45.49 | gan|y|med | how can i use the themes delivered with gnome in my own theme? |
| 22:45.53 | Aim_Here | you don't have to be root to netstat |
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| 22:46.13 | kataklysm | but the problem is i have ReiserFS all around on here... except my USB drive which is FAT32 for compatability with other OS's.. |
| 22:46.49 | jordo23 | Aim_Here: thanks |
| 22:46.55 | vagabund | kataklysm: then love your little boy and run a windows system seperately and let him play - |
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| 22:47.15 | SmallR2003 | hi |
| 22:47.22 | bibe | hi, i've a problem with my "ALL0142+" pcmcia network card. the message "eth0: interrupt(s) dropped" is displayed every 10 seconds. what can i do? |
| 22:47.43 | CasaNova_ | is x.org the standard for testing? I notice that xserver and xfree are both held back... |
| 22:47.56 | scx | Hey guys: I once try SLES 9 and there were a YaST module for configuring an LDAP Server, |
| 22:48.06 | scx | now I want it over my 9.3 |
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| 22:48.20 | scx | but I couldn't find the rpm |
| 22:48.30 | SmallR2003 | okey, i know this isnt exactly on topic, but is anyone here familiar with OO.o base? |
| 22:48.34 | liable | scx: err, wrong channel. |
| 22:48.34 | r3tex | is ncurses-devel an unstable package? |
| 22:48.35 | scx | someone you knows where to download it ? |
| 22:48.36 | Aim_Here | err scx, is that a debian q? |
| 22:48.43 | scx | oooopsss |
| 22:48.53 | scx | wrong channel |
| 22:48.58 | Azar | liable, sorry I forgot how do I check if I have oss running? |
| 22:49.22 | elnath | kataklysm: sorry, I give up |
| 22:49.23 | Azar | there is a place where I can go and disable it but I forgot.. |
| 22:49.27 | scx | srry |
| 22:49.42 | interbird | kataklysm: If you are on Reiser, try anoter fs for wine -- do you know you can create a file-system in a file and mount it ? |
| 22:49.57 | thingfish | scx: drop that rpm-based crap and come over to a real distro. |
| 22:50.00 | liable | Azar: check the output from lsmod, if the sound modules arent starting with snd-, then its oss |
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| 22:50.22 | Azar | liable, and if I have oss where I go to disable (comment) it? |
| 22:50.28 | scx | rpm-based craps are real distros |
| 22:50.45 | Kovecses | no way |
| 22:50.51 | Kovecses | rpm sucks |
| 22:50.52 | liable | Azar: just run alsaconf, it should do it for you. |
| 22:50.55 | mfrisch | sc nope ;-) |
| 22:50.56 | Zomb | dasunt: some other value instead of 120? |
| 22:51.05 | scx | I had Debian, MacOSX, SuSE, andUbuntu man |
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| 22:51.19 | SmallR2003 | scx, rpm is not very good compaired to deb |
| 22:51.25 | Azar | thank you, liable, I see I have via82xxx_audio this looks like a oss module |
| 22:51.26 | thingfish | 2 for 4, not bad. |
| 22:51.28 | CasaNova_ | scx: No Gentoo or Sorcerer? |
| 22:51.29 | scx | I don't like apt |
| 22:51.32 | SmallR2003 | ... |
| 22:51.37 | Azar | soundcore.. |
| 22:51.44 | SmallR2003 | BLASPHAMY! |
| 22:51.50 | SmallR2003 | you have to like apt |
| 22:51.51 | Kovecses | scx, why not? |
| 22:51.54 | mfrisch | scx donot understand apt... |
| 22:51.55 | SmallR2003 | ;) |
| 22:52.03 | scx | even when in Debian I prefer tarballs |
| 22:52.13 | thingfish | idiot alert |
| 22:52.18 | dasunt | Zomb: I get nasty effects, almost like scaling artifacts. |
| 22:52.19 | scx | I undersytand apt |
| 22:52.26 | SteveLab | thingfish: how'd u know I was here? :} |
| 22:52.29 | scx | but I prefer full control |
| 22:52.29 | Aim_Here | scx, don't you get a warm fuzzy glow when you apt-get upgrade and the system patches everything? |
| 22:52.31 | SmallR2003 | anyone else remeber "welcome to slashdot, if you cant think of anything to say,say how cool apt is" |
| 22:52.40 | thingfish | hehe SteveLab |
| 22:52.45 | SmallR2003 | Aim_Here, i'm not alone then? |
| 22:52.51 | dasunt | Zomb: Honestly, I'll try posting this question to the debian list, but otherwise I'm giving up. |
| 22:52.55 | SmallR2003 | scarynetworkguy, |
| 22:52.58 | SmallR2003 | ooosp |
| 22:53.07 | scx | what can .deb do that rpm does not ? |
| 22:53.10 | Zomb | dasunt: try urxvt -fn 'xft:Lucida Typewriter:size=11' |
| 22:53.14 | thingfish | you need more drugs, scx. |
| 22:53.16 | SmallR2003 | scx, seen apt-build? |
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| 22:53.24 | liable | scx: prolly a good time to leave, seeing as you arent running debian, and this is degenerating into a trollfest |
| 22:53.25 | Kovecses | scx, even rpm based distros offer apt becuase they relized how cool it is |
| 22:53.26 | scx | no thanks |
| 22:53.33 | SmallR2003 | scx, seen auto-apt? |
| 22:53.41 | Aim_Here | cough, debian offers rpm though |
| 22:53.42 | scx | Yes I try apt on my suse |
| 22:53.48 | SmallR2003 | :/ |
| 22:53.48 | dasunt | Zomb: I get a rather widely spaced font. |
| 22:53.50 | scx | but I prefer YaST |
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| 22:53.54 | xwolf | wtf |
| 22:54.00 | scx | It's just my preferences |
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| 22:54.01 | jlil | hello liable |
| 22:54.01 | thingfish | shh, Aim_Here |
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| 22:54.12 | xwolf | yast? you mean yast as in yast? |
| 22:54.18 | liable | jlil: hi |
| 22:54.18 | scx | I'm NOT telling one is better than another |
| 22:54.24 | thingfish | anyway, just having fun. |
| 22:54.31 | scx | just my likes ;) |
| 22:54.32 | Zomb | dasunt: and with: urxvt -fn 'xft:LucidaTypewriter:size=11' ? |
| 22:54.36 | Kovecses | imho debian is the absolute best there is when it comes to linux....go and use suse if you want ...but suse is for noobs |
| 22:54.44 | JediMaster | anyone know why an upgrade broke postfix? It's stopped looking up users in LDAP the way it was setup before (using pam_ldap)? |
| 22:54.54 | dasunt | Zomb: Same thing. |
| 22:54.54 | Kovecses | hey guys....im getting Mounting Local Filesystems.....failed.......at boot? |
| 22:54.56 | xwolf | Kovecses: masochists rather |
| 22:54.56 | SmallR2003 | scx, ever used auto-apt, it will fix dependancies from building |
| 22:55.09 | thingfish | you can't get any better than debian. but it's actually not bad to know your competition, too. |
| 22:55.19 | scx | exactly |
| 22:55.21 | r3tex | Kovecses: what filesystem are you using? |
| 22:55.27 | Kovecses | yeah and suse isnt all that free.....yeah you can get it for free but debian is FREE |
| 22:55.32 | scx | it resolves automatically |
| 22:55.37 | thingfish | and almost any linux is better than MS nastiness. |
| 22:55.39 | Kovecses | r3tex, ext3 |
| 22:55.42 | scx | I don't like: automatically |
| 22:55.50 | CasaNova_ | why are som many japanese packages installed when I install cupsys? |
| 22:55.59 | CasaNova_ | ie pdf-japanese |
| 22:56.01 | r3tex | Kovecses: what does it say more than that? |
| 22:56.05 | thingfish | suse is I guess more and more free, esp. with opensuse. |
| 22:56.06 | dasunt | OpenBSD is nice for security and the base release, but it doesn't do binary updates and has a severe lack of packages. :) |
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| 22:56.10 | SmallR2003 | scx, okey, well go unautomatic, build and package yourself |
| 22:56.12 | Kovecses | r3tex, the error? |
| 22:56.16 | r3tex | Kovecses: is your fstab correctly configured? |
| 22:56.17 | r3tex | Kovecses: yeah |
| 22:56.17 | xwolf | scx: and then you use yast? it does everything automatically |
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| 22:56.26 | Guerin | Kovecses: i told you to check that fstab matches reality |
| 22:56.30 | xwolf | even the things it shouldnt |
| 22:56.34 | SmallR2003 | scx,and what about apt-build? |
| 22:56.35 | dasunt | I guess linux is getting some w^x code though, right? |
| 22:56.37 | Guerin | Kovecses: or are you ignoring me because of an imagined slight? |
| 22:56.43 | Aim_Here | scx, you can always stick to bare dpkg if you don't like automaticity |
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| 22:56.56 | scx | YaST does nothing automatically if you don't want to, besides u can control what resolve and what no |
| 22:57.06 | SmallR2003 | ... |
| 22:57.10 | xwolf | sure :) |
| 22:57.26 | SmallR2003 | if you dont resolve something it should break, thats why its called a dependancy |
| 22:57.27 | Kovecses | Guerin, how do i do that......noob question |
| 22:57.36 | scx | yes, I ratter use dpkg |
| 22:57.47 | scx | or taballs |
| 22:57.48 | Guerin | scx: debian does nothing automatically more than is necessary. package dependencies only exist if one package is built against another, or uses files found in another. |
| 22:57.49 | vagabund | do you play wing commander? |
| 22:57.52 | tnks | hi all. I noticed a problem with Sid. Is there a problem with Sid that's known? I'm getting an nasty error on an apt-update, but when I remove Sid from sources.list, everything's fine. |
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| 22:58.03 | Guerin | scx: if you want no dependency management, use slackware. |
| 22:58.07 | SmallR2003 | scx, theres a reason you resolve dependancies |
| 22:58.07 | dasunt | Zomb: Thanks for the help. I'm heading back to work. |
| 22:58.15 | scx | I DO NOT criticize Dbian |
| 22:58.27 | cyberdrek | MSG dpkg crypto |
| 22:58.30 | scx | it's just I prefer rpms |
| 22:58.37 | Guerin | hahah |
| 22:58.38 | dasunt | Why rpms? |
| 22:58.38 | Aim_Here | scx did say he preferred tarballs |
| 22:58.39 | SmallR2003 | okey... |
| 22:58.39 | Kovecses | scx, what distro are you using? suse? |
| 22:58.40 | r3tex | scx: isn't it annoying when you have to upgrade a bunch of libs and stuff? |
| 22:58.44 | mwilson | tnks: Do you think you might POSSIBLY be a bit more vague? Someone in the back might have understood you. |
| 22:58.58 | scx | Debian SuSE, Ubuntu, Mac |
| 22:59.06 | thingfish | I've been using linux since 1999. I started with suse, then went to slackware, then to red hat and fedora, then switched to debian. Debian beats them all hands down, no competition. |
| 22:59.13 | SmallR2003 | tnks, error: information overload |
| 22:59.25 | interbird | tnks: Doen't Sid says it is unstable by nature ? |
| 22:59.28 | Aim_Here | tnks, yes there is a problem with Sid that's known. |
| 22:59.30 | Kovecses | yeah debian is the shizzzznat |
| 22:59.30 | scx | yes rpm is annoying when you have to upgrade a bunch of libs and stuff |
| 22:59.31 | mwilson | dasunt: Here's one... an RPM can have a file-level dependency, a DEB can't. |
| 22:59.31 | tarzeau | dasunt: ever tried dpkg -P dpkg ? |
| 22:59.42 | mwilson | scx: Why? |
| 22:59.43 | tarzeau | dasunt: the shit refuses to do what you want. rpm is nice, it just does rpm -e rpm |
| 22:59.44 | scx | but with YaST it's acake |
| 22:59.48 | SmallR2003 | tnks, there are severla problems with sid, one being that its sid... |
| 22:59.59 | dasunt | mwilson: Interesting. |
| 23:00.01 | Kovecses | something tells me scx doesnt know what is going on at all |
| 23:00.11 | Kovecses | yeah i use etch |
| 23:00.14 | scx | I udid use RedHat by a while, but I ended hatting it |
| 23:00.15 | Kovecses | and it rules |
| 23:00.16 | SmallR2003 | Kovecses, i get the samefeeling |
| 23:00.24 | SmallR2003 | LMAO |
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| 23:00.42 | SmallR2003 | <scx> I udid use RedHat by a while, but I ended hatting it |
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| 23:00.48 | dasunt | Okay, AFK. |
| 23:00.51 | Kovecses | fedora really isnt that bad of a distro.......its just that debian is better |
| 23:00.58 | SmallR2003 | i know it was a typo, but a darn perfect typo |
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| 23:01.08 | dasunt | Every distro sucks. Debian sucks less. ;) |
| 23:01.20 | scx | I believe No ONE distro is better |
| 23:01.22 | SmallR2003 | mmmmn |
| 23:01.25 | tarzeau | Kovecses: there's alot of things that could be improved |
| 23:01.28 | Aim_Here | <Your Favourite Operating System> sucks. discuss. |
| 23:01.34 | debiannoobie | Hi all... Can anyone help me with accessing my raid in debina 3.1?? |
| 23:01.37 | vagabund | Aim_here: rathat is a fine system!!! |
| 23:01.40 | dasunt | Well, the whole "pays me $1m dollar" distro is better then Debian, but I can't find it. |
| 23:01.44 | debiannoobie | *debian |
| 23:01.45 | tarzeau | Kovecses: don't get blind by the things that are really nice in debian |
| 23:01.48 | scx | AHHHH stop |
| 23:01.49 | Gnea | <WINDOWS> |
| 23:01.54 | thingfish | oh please. I put up with that collection of bugs known as fedora core for too long. ick. |
| 23:01.55 | scx | wrong cannel right ? |
| 23:01.56 | Kovecses | well ok |
| 23:01.56 | SmallR2003 | i believe that debian rules the distro world |
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| 23:02.03 | scx | wrong channel right ? |
| 23:02.03 | Phated | scx: No kidding. |
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| 23:02.20 | mwilson | debiannoobie: By your "raid", you mean...? |
| 23:02.25 | Gnea | thingfish: right now the only thing fedora can do right is operate on 64bit |
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| 23:02.34 | debiannoobie | 3ware hardware raid |
| 23:02.36 | interbird | debiannoobie: Depends on your controller. |
| 23:02.37 | aeronadix | how do you monitor ram in Linux? |
| 23:02.42 | Gnea | thingfish: especially hp's newest 64bit line of laptops |
| 23:02.48 | Kovecses | no fedora is good ill admit that |
| 23:02.50 | tarzeau | dasunt: which one 9000 or earlier? |
| 23:02.50 | debiannoobie | 3ware 7500-4lp |
| 23:02.52 | Kovecses | just a little slow |
| 23:02.54 | r3tex | aeronadix: /proc/raminfo |
| 23:02.56 | Gnea | aeronadix: top |
| 23:02.57 | jdhutchin1 | Gnea, like debian's amd64 branch? |
| 23:02.57 | r3tex | mabie? |
| 23:03.00 | tarzeau | aeronadix: free -m ? |
| 23:03.05 | aeronadix | thx |
| 23:03.05 | Kovecses | but anyway someone help me with fstab |
| 23:03.08 | thingfish | Gnea: I'll give fedora its due, and yes, it does one or two things right. |
| 23:03.09 | tnks | okay. Sorry. That evoked a the wrong response. I guess what I'm asking is does anyone know what's up with Sid *recently*. Here's the error message I get with an apt update (with the sid line in sources.list) : "Reading Package Lists... Error!" and then later it seg faults. I understand Sid is volatile by nature, but there's few packages there that I use (via pinning) so I'm wondering what's up with the package list. |
| 23:03.10 | interbird | debiannoobie: And the problem is ? |
| 23:03.11 | Gnea | jdhutchin1: it doesn't work as well. |
| 23:03.13 | Aim_Here | aeronadix, cat /proc/meminfo? top? |
| 23:03.15 | JediMaster | I've spent 14 hours straight trying to fix an upgrade that broke postfix from looking up users using ldap, and I still can't get it to work, nobody in #ldap or #postfix has been able to get it working all day =/ |
| 23:03.23 | Gnea | thingfish: but i agree, the rpm issue.. |
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| 23:03.28 | thingfish | yeah |
| 23:03.46 | thingfish | and the larger issue of committment to quality. |
| 23:03.47 | tarzeau | JediMaster: you should take a break |
| 23:04.00 | debiannoobie | Well the driver looks like it's loaded but when I go to system info and look at partitions, I don't see it and I have no idea how to access it |
| 23:04.06 | r3tex | JediMaster: you are strong with the force, but you are not a jedi yet.... |
| 23:04.10 | JediMaster | tarzeau: I can't, my boss is getting threatened to be sued if email isn't fixed |
| 23:04.10 | tarzeau | JediMaster: try to forget it all, drink a glass of water, eat something you like, sleep or go out for a walk if it's sunny |
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| 23:04.14 | Kovecses | well my fstab seems to be correct |
| 23:04.22 | jjazz | JediMaster: You're running Sid on a production box? |
| 23:04.30 | tarzeau | JediMaster: how many users? |
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| 23:04.34 | interbird | debiannoobie: What kernel do you use ? |
| 23:04.38 | debiannoobie | 2.6 |
| 23:04.42 | tarzeau | JediMaster: you can fix it up to 4 days later still |
| 23:04.44 | thingfish | people do it, I swear. |
| 23:04.52 | CobyComputers | I'm sorry for buggng but does anyone know how to setup a server that will connect people dailing into myserver and then have the server put them on the internet like an ISP |
| 23:04.53 | interbird | debiannoobie: Do you use udev ? |
| 23:04.54 | JediMaster | tarzeau:lol it's midnight, been doing this since 10am |
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| 23:05.00 | debiannoobie | udev? |
| 23:05.21 | JediMaster | jjazz: not my choice to use sid, came like that when I joined the company lol |
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| 23:05.33 | Kovecses | would i get a error if my swap has no mount point? |
| 23:05.46 | jdhutchin1 | no |
| 23:05.50 | Kovecses | didnt think so |
| 23:05.55 | JediMaster | jjazz: still sid has worked very well so far |
| 23:05.59 | interbird | debiannoobie: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/udev-guide.xml |
| 23:06.02 | thingfish | that is really often the problem, people inherit a messy situation. |
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| 23:06.04 | Kovecses | damn why am i getting that error |
| 23:06.19 | phantomits | whats good |
| 23:06.26 | interbird | debiannoobie: Does a boot from a Knoppix CD see your raid ? |
| 23:06.34 | jjazz | JediMaster: You are brave. Foolish, but brave. Sid is pretty much bound to break every once in a while and leave people without help for unpredictable time periods. It's the nature of the process. |
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| 23:06.43 | phantomits | depends on RAID card |
| 23:06.55 | Aim_Here | Time for apt-get downgrade, Jedi |
| 23:06.58 | JediMaster | thingfish: yeah same in my last job, I had to pick up the mess from my boss who setup 15 servers.... he was a doctor in a hostpital trying to run a web hosting company |
| 23:07.06 | JediMaster | Aim_Here: lol |
| 23:07.31 | Kovecses | what is the proc filesystem? |
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| 23:07.37 | liable | debiannoobie: if its a hardware raid controller (which yours prolly is, being 3ware) then you arent supposed to be able to see the raid, its transparent.. |
| 23:07.39 | thingfish | JediMaster: sounds fun. |
| 23:07.41 | stew | Guerin: changing the mount options didn't change anything, btw |
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| 23:07.54 | debiannoobie | Don't have a knoppix cd but the debian installer saw it.... |
| 23:07.59 | interbird | debiannoobie: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 23:08.13 | litage_ | what does it mean when pkgA pre-depends pkgB? |
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| 23:08.20 | Kovecses | Guerin, my fstab seems correct |
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| 23:08.41 | phantomits | help me i am falling a sleep in java class |
| 23:08.44 | interbird | debiannoobie: Does fdisk -l show anything ? |
| 23:08.50 | phantomits | yes |
| 23:08.52 | Kovecses | phantomits, ive been there |
| 23:08.52 | JediMaster | anyhow, any ideas how to get postfix looking up users in ldap anyone? I never had to do anything special at all to get postfix to look up users (no mention of ldap in any config file) and it worked as long as the OS could see it through pam_ldap |
| 23:08.56 | interbird | debiannoobie: Does lsmod show the raid driver ? |
| 23:09.03 | phantomits | It lists all partitions |
| 23:09.15 | Kovecses | phantomits, java class sucks but programming in java is pretty cool |
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| 23:09.33 | phantomits | Java is fun |
| 23:09.40 | phantomits | Logic sux :( |
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| 23:09.51 | Kovecses | brb |
| 23:09.51 | debiannoobie | interbird: lsmod does show the raid driver, fdisk -l shows command not found |
| 23:10.00 | jjazz | JediMaster: I have no wisdom for you on that question, sorry. |
| 23:10.18 | liable | debiannoobie: as root |
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| 23:10.34 | key2 | hi |
| 23:10.51 | key2 | what's the parallal port on debian ? because I don't have /dev/parport0 |
| 23:11.03 | debiannoobie | as root, I do see it as /dev/sda |
| 23:11.07 | valdyn_ | liable: that it needs B not ( only ) to run but to install |
| 23:11.29 | liable | valdyn_: wrong nick :) |
| 23:11.36 | valdyn_ | liable: ops |
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| 23:11.49 | valdyn_ | litage_: ^^^ |
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| 23:12.32 | key2 | debianised: so I should do a ln of /dev/sda to parport0 ? |
| 23:12.36 | vagabund | hm I think I install dos 6.22 and windows 3.11 and play wing commander - *rofl* |
| 23:13.05 | Azar | the /etc/modules is the module loader? |
| 23:13.09 | phantomits | Wing commander was great |
| 23:13.14 | phantomits | I loved that game |
| 23:13.18 | SteveLab | vagabund: I still have an original dos 6.22 upgrade box with floppys in it if you'd like |
| 23:13.26 | phantomits | I have 6.2 |
| 23:13.39 | phantomits | and all 3.1 Disks not 3.11 |
| 23:13.42 | valdyn_ | Azar: if you mean what i think you mean, but not what you said, yea |
| 23:13.44 | iqGeek | hey, does anyone know if it is possible to install suse9.3 to an external usb hd? |
| 23:14.05 | key2 | debiannoobie: so I should do a ln of /dev/sda to parport0 ? |
| 23:14.05 | azeem | iqGeek: please join a SuSE chan for SuSE-specific questions |
| 23:14.09 | Azar | valdyn I am tryint to detect the oss modules on a module loader and disable it |
| 23:14.21 | Azar | I am not sure that "module loader" is at /etc/modules |
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| 23:14.44 | valdyn_ | !confuse Azar |
| 23:14.45 | dpkg | No, where was your hamster today, Azar? shirts of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 23:14.50 | debiannoobie | key2: what now?? confused |
| 23:14.53 | Azar | :) |
| 23:15.07 | valdyn_ | Azar: you're trying to disable loading of oss modules? |
| 23:15.42 | iqGeek | ~[ azeem ]~ there is nobody availible to help in other channels :( |
| 23:15.43 | apt | okay, iqGeek |
| 23:15.44 | vagabund | SteveLab: I have it all here - thanks - |
| 23:15.47 | Azar | valdyn, yes that is what I wish |
| 23:16.00 | azeem | iqGeek: sorry about that, but we cannot help you |
| 23:16.03 | valdyn_ | Azar: for what purpose? |
| 23:16.12 | Azar | valdyn preparing to install alsa |
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| 23:16.16 | litage_ | valdyn_: whereas "pkgA depends pkgB" to install A, B must be installed, but can later be removed? |
| 23:16.18 | liable | ~forget [ azeem ] |
| 23:16.18 | apt | liable: i didn't have anything called '[ azeem ]' to forget |
| 23:16.20 | debiannoobie | When I look at my storage devices in infocenter it shows the mountpoint of /dev/sda as /media/usb0 that doesn't seem right? |
| 23:16.21 | valdyn_ | Azar: then just skip that |
| 23:16.37 | azeem | ~forget [ azeem ]~ |
| 23:16.37 | apt | azeem: i didn't have anything called '[ azeem ]~' to forget |
| 23:16.39 | Azar | valdyn but the alsa page said you gotta disable oss before configuring alsa |
| 23:16.41 | azeem | pfft |
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| 23:17.14 | roler | can I run Eterm in gnome without an icon in the taskbar? |
| 23:17.20 | valdyn_ | Azar: that faq entry is bullshit, alsa-base already blacklists oss drivers. as long as there are no explicit entries in /etc/modules you have nothing to do. |
| 23:17.24 | iqGeek | azeem is it possible to install linux on an external usb hdd in debian? |
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| 23:18.00 | Azar | valdyn, neat, I just commented out via82cxxx_audio in /etc/modules, I guess I am ready |
| 23:18.02 | azeem | iqGeek: you can install it, but the question is: Can you boot it? |
| 23:18.06 | debiannoobie | should the mountpoint of my raid be /media/usb0? |
| 23:18.09 | mfrisch | iqGeek dbootstrap maybe |
| 23:18.18 | azeem | iqGeek: I do not know the answer, it probably depends on your hardware |
| 23:18.24 | valdyn_ | Azar: right thing to havge done that, yea |
| 23:18.27 | iqGeek | ok thank you |
| 23:18.55 | JL0gik_NS | anyone know anything about ndiswrapper???? |
| 23:18.59 | phantomits | I booted phlak off a usb thumb drive here |
| 23:19.10 | valdyn_ | JL0gik_NS: apt-cache does |
| 23:19.19 | mfrisch | phantomits how is that |
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| 23:19.49 | tnks | Okay. I re-ran "aptitude update" and I got a different error the seond time. Same problem, more info: "Reading Package Lists... Error! E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room E: Error occured while processing kmailcvt (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened." |
| 23:20.06 | valdyn_ | litage_: i dont know if you can remove that package later, it usually does not make sense |
| 23:20.07 | phantomits | wrote ISO to thumb drive |
| 23:20.14 | key2 | debiannoobie: I don't have /dev/parport0 and I wanted to know how to set it |
| 23:20.32 | mfrisch | phantomits oh it doesn't work.. |
| 23:20.42 | valdyn_ | litage_: since what can "require" another package upon installation is the same as running "dpkg-configure <package>" |
| 23:20.50 | liable | !tell tnks about mmap |
| 23:20.54 | phantomits | it works fine |
| 23:21.00 | phantomits | its great |
| 23:21.12 | mfrisch | phantomits oh really |
| 23:21.26 | kataklysm | hey you all that were trying to help me get my wine configured.. the winesetuptk evidently was the problem. i deleted my ~/.wine/ and ran wine again.. and it autoconfigured wine.. and it worked.. evidently something in winesetuptk doesnt work right.. |
| 23:21.36 | mfrisch | phantomits security stuff right |
| 23:21.47 | debiannoobie | key2: I'm the wrong guy to ask... I'm still trying to figure out how to get access to my raid array |
| 23:21.48 | phantomits | yup |
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| 23:22.22 | mfrisch | phantomits does it have nessus? |
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| 23:22.33 | NP_complete | hi all |
| 23:22.35 | xnull- | hi could I download.. debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent with wget? |
| 23:22.36 | phantomits | Full phlak install |
| 23:22.37 | tomj | hi |
| 23:22.43 | liable | debiannoobie: look in the bios of the controller |
| 23:22.46 | valdyn_ | xnull-: yes |
| 23:22.51 | phantomits | www.phlak.org |
| 23:22.56 | phantomits | cool distro |
| 23:23.03 | mfrisch | phantomits ok |
| 23:23.06 | phantomits | has everything |
| 23:23.10 | debiannoobie | liable: what am I looking for? |
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| 23:23.17 | NP_complete | I need to upgrade and keep some packages (nvidia) how to tell this to apt?? |
| 23:23.20 | phantomits | plus its DEBIAN based :) |
| 23:23.32 | simonrvn | !tell NP_complete -about hold |
| 23:23.32 | liable | debiannoobie: too see if the array is ok. |
| 23:23.45 | stew | NP_complete: upgrade will never remove packages, if thats what you are worried about |
| 23:23.55 | phantomits | I think i am going to hang myself if this guy keeps talking about Java logic |
| 23:24.02 | Aim_Here | root_ (n=root@xia-lab1.pc.udel.edu) has joined #debian |
| 23:24.03 | stew | NP_complete: if you mean keep old versions, then yeah, you want hold |
| 23:24.08 | Aim_Here | There's always one |
| 23:24.19 | debiannoobie | liable: the array is fine, the problem I have is somehow the mountpoint for the array is /media/usb0 which doesn't seem to be right |
| 23:24.21 | phantomits | People in this class dont get the CONCEPT of programming should be in 101 |
| 23:24.24 | tnks | liable, thanks for the tip. I guess I just have one too many entries in my sources.list. |
| 23:24.25 | mfrisch | phantomits I like to scare the people I work with by showing them how insecure 'Doz is. |
| 23:24.29 | xnull- | f~valdyn_: how? |
| 23:24.43 | phantomits | They run XP here |
| 23:24.54 | phantomits | I booted off my USb drive |
| 23:24.56 | NP_complete | stew i had to hold. |
| 23:25.07 | phantomits | and only will use linux here |
| 23:25.08 | valdyn_ | xnull-: what the hell is f~ before my name? what's hard about using wget ? |
| 23:25.17 | liable | debiannoobie: strange. |
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| 23:25.23 | phantomits | i havent been on IRC in 4 years |
| 23:25.35 | vagabund | !tell root_ about root |
| 23:25.46 | xnull- | f~valdyn_: sorry my irc client suck. |
| 23:25.53 | Aim_Here | !tell Aim_Here about root |
| 23:25.54 | mfrisch | phantomits there is a tool on rescuecd that changes passwords, local. |
| 23:25.56 | valdyn_ | whats up with apt and "root has landed"? gone? |
| 23:26.06 | debiannoobie | liable: tell me about it... that just doesn't seem like it would work... How can I change the mountpoint and what would I set it to? |
| 23:26.17 | phantomits | i already mapped their whole CLASS A network 2 classes ago |
| 23:26.20 | stew | valdyn_: it broke when the ident strings chaged to i= or n= |
| 23:26.23 | litage_ | when i try to run a command via sudo, why would this error occur?: "sudo: unable to lookup tortoise via gethostbyname()" |
| 23:26.32 | bessel | No sound under debian... dmesg shows 'ALSA device list: #2: Intel ICH5 at 0xfebffa00, irq 3' |
| 23:26.33 | dondelelcaro | the bots (well dpkg, at least) tell root users about it already; they just don't bother the channel |
| 23:26.42 | phantomits | and RDP controled Professors main Client |
| 23:26.44 | bessel | but alsaconf shows no supported or legacy sound cards... |
| 23:26.45 | stew | litage_: you need to add tortoise to /etc/hots? |
| 23:27.11 | phantomits | showed him that having a BLANK admin password is the opposite of the right thing |
| 23:27.12 | mfrisch | phantomits try to stay out of trouble ;-) |
| 23:27.31 | liable | debiannoobie: i dont have a 3ware card, but thought being hardware, you would just see one drive (/dev/sda) and the raid is done in the card.. |
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| 23:27.52 | litage_ | stew: tortoise has an entry in my DNS server though, and other machines don't have any trouble referencing tortoise |
| 23:28.07 | bessel | can anybody help me with the problem aforementioned? |
| 23:28.34 | valdyn_ | litage_: tortoise.com? or just tortoise? |
| 23:29.26 | litage_ | valdyn_: my dns server has "tortoise.mydomain.com", and tortoise's resolv.conf has 3 lines: "domain mydomain.com", "nameserver 1.2.3.4", "nameserver 2.3.4.5" |
| 23:29.28 | Muk3733 | Alright, so i just tried to install linux, and after i ran xf86config, i tried to run startx. but i got a message saying usr/x11r/lib/x11/xinit/xserverrc usr/bin/x11/x cannot locate file/directory |
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| 23:30.29 | Aim_Here | do xserverrc and x exist in those directories? |
| 23:30.34 | pd_dingo | lo, any wifi guru's around ?:) |
| 23:30.38 | tnks | I noticed that the changelog for linux-source-2.6.12 notes "Added 2.6.13.2" Does this mean that linux-source-2.6.12 is effectively linux-source-2.6.13? Or is it only a smaller fraction of 2.6.13? |
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| 23:30.57 | Muk3733 | no |
| 23:30.58 | Aim_Here | Linux is going backwards in time |
| 23:31.06 | stew | litage_: does "host tortoise" resolve? |
| 23:31.09 | bessel | Question... no sound in debian dmesg shows 'ALSA device list: #2: Intel ICH5 at 0xfebffa00, irq 3' but alsaconf shows no supported card or legacy driver. |
| 23:31.19 | debiannoobie | liable: it does just show as one drive but for some reason the mountpoint is set wrong |
| 23:31.29 | Muk3733 | after i ran xf68config, and startx, i got that message |
| 23:31.35 | liable | debiannoobie: whats in fstab |
| 23:31.49 | phantomits | mfrisch : nice talking to you speak to you later |
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| 23:31.58 | debiannoobie | liable: where is that located? |
| 23:31.59 | phantomits | quit |
| 23:32.00 | mfrisch | phantomits PEACE |
| 23:32.19 | bessel | I use an INTEL integrated AC'97 sound card on a DELL machine. |
| 23:32.39 | bessel | Please somebody help me, I am going crazy without sound... |
| 23:32.45 | Aim_Here | Muk3733, you might have to apt-get your X server |
| 23:32.53 | mfrisch | bessel what kernel? |
| 23:32.53 | liable | debiannoobie: what leads you to believe the raid is mounted on the wrong mount point? |
| 23:33.03 | bessel | mfrisch: 2.6.8 |
| 23:33.12 | Muk3733 | do i do that by typing apt-get install xdm? |
| 23:33.23 | Aim_Here | That'll probably do the trick |
| 23:33.26 | mfrisch | bessel does alsa start cleanly? |
| 23:33.27 | Muk3733 | did it |
| 23:33.29 | Muk3733 | nothing happened |
| 23:33.33 | Muk3733 | same message |
| 23:33.45 | debiannoobie | liable: the fact that it's a hardware raid through a pci card and the mountpoint is /media/usb0... That just doesn't add up |
| 23:33.46 | azeem | Muk3733: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 23:33.47 | bessel | mfrisch: I don't actually know, how to check that? |
| 23:34.08 | Muk3733 | that will fix it? and i will be able to finally get into the GUI? ty :))) |
| 23:34.17 | mfrisch | bessel as root type; /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
| 23:34.25 | azeem | Muk3733: we'll see |
| 23:34.27 | liable | debiannoobie: but how do you know the mount point is /media/usb0? how are you getting that information? |
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| 23:34.42 | Aim_Here | We've got Muk3733's hopes up now |
| 23:34.49 | stew | debiannoobie: what kind of raid card? |
| 23:34.51 | Muk3733 | i know... |
| 23:34.59 | vagabund | bessel: have you activate ac97 in your kernel? |
| 23:35.00 | Muk3733 | i was thinking about getting linux for a while now |
| 23:35.02 | bessel | mfrisch: /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
| 23:35.02 | bessel | Shutting down ALSA...done. |
| 23:35.02 | bessel | Setting up ALSA...done. |
| 23:35.06 | debiannoobie | stew:3ware |
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| 23:35.27 | bessel | mfrisch: how to please? sorry I only use gcc/f77 on my computer to work on my research, no idea... :( |
| 23:35.31 | mfrisch | vagabund its shows up in dmesg... |
| 23:35.41 | Muk3733 | i have been doing something stupid, when linux didn't install right, i just installed windows to get on jIRC :/ |
| 23:35.42 | dasunt | tarzeau: What one what? (9000?) |
| 23:35.48 | stew | wow, 9 times out of 10 its not actually a hardware raid card |
| 23:35.58 | resiak | bessel: Is your sound muted? |
| 23:36.22 | debiannoobie | stew: this time it is... 3ware 7500-4lp sith a 1TB raid |
| 23:36.24 | mfrisch | bessel have you started alsamixer and changed the level and make sure you are part of audio group. |
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| 23:36.54 | stew | debiannoobie: what makes you say the mount poin tis /media/usb0? what is in fstab? |
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| 23:37.00 | Muk3733 | if that doesn't work... that i am just going to go with windows |
| 23:37.14 | bessel | mfrisch: alsaconf shows 'no supported card' and 'no legacy driver' |
| 23:37.17 | stew | debiannoobie: your raid volumes should show up as scsi disks |
| 23:37.23 | stew | debiannoobie: so /dev/sdxx |
| 23:37.28 | bessel | mfrisch: alsamixer shows dummy mixer... |
| 23:37.37 | refdoc101 | I am looking for new mol packages (o.9.71) I tried to buikd from source but failed misrably. Any idea (google did not help) |
| 23:37.44 | debiannoobie | when I look in infocenter at storage devices it shows the mountpoint as /media/usb0 (for device /dev/sda) |
| 23:37.50 | bessel | mfrisch: I believe sound is not muted. |
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| 23:38.00 | stew | debiannoobie: what is infocenter? |
| 23:38.04 | mfrisch | bessel are you in group audio |
| 23:38.12 | debiannoobie | stew: kde util |
| 23:38.16 | liable | debiannoobie: paste the result of fdisk -l to #flood or paster |
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| 23:38.46 | bessel | mfrisch: sorry what is group audio? |
| 23:38.52 | stew | debiannoobie: is /dev/sda in /etc/fstab? |
| 23:38.53 | liable | debiannoobie: you have a camera or something plugged into it? |
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| 23:39.17 | JediMaster | can anyone give me a hand with this postfix/ldap problem? |
| 23:39.18 | mfrisch | bessel adduser bessel audio will add you, as root |
| 23:39.27 | mehul | dpkg-query -l gives me the package name, but only partially. How do I get it to show the full package name ? |
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| 23:39.37 | tomj | debiannoobie: are there any sdxx devices in /dev? |
| 23:39.40 | resiak | mehul: COLUMNS=200 dpkg-query -l |
| 23:39.42 | refdoc101 | I am looking for new mol packages (o.9.71) I tried to buikd from source but failed misrably. Any idea (google did not help) |
| 23:39.43 | bessel | mfrisch: let me try, thanks. |
| 23:39.47 | popolvuh | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.58 | mfrisch | bessel then log out/in |
| 23:39.58 | Muk3733 | :o |
| 23:40.05 | mehul | resiak: thanks. |
| 23:40.09 | bessel | mfrisch: it is already a member of audio |
| 23:40.41 | mfrisch | bessel damn |
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| 23:40.58 | debiannoobie | stew: no camera..../dev/sda is in fstab with the mountpoint /media/usb0 |
| 23:41.11 | bessel | mfrisch :-( |
| 23:41.24 | stew | debiannoobie: so change the mountpoint in fstab |
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| 23:41.41 | debiannoobie | what would I cange it to? |
| 23:41.58 | stew | debiannoobie: wherever you would like to mount your raid array |
| 23:41.59 | mfrisch | bessel the module is loaded or it would not show up in dmesg... |
| 23:42.11 | stew | debiannoobie: wait, is it /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 or something? |
| 23:42.25 | versuchsanstalt | i have no clue about routing. i have a machine here, connected to the net with pppoe, and i want it to act as a gateway. where should i start reading? |
| 23:42.26 | debiannoobie | stew: /dev/sda |
| 23:42.26 | liable | debiannoobie: first can you paste fstab, and the results of fdisk -l somewhere? that is highly unusual |
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| 23:42.31 | bessel | mfrish: I see, actually it was okay before, suddenly it went wrong. |
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| 23:42.48 | debiannoobie | Liable: where would you like me to paste it? |
| 23:42.55 | litage_ | stew: `host some_box` fails for every entry in my DNS server, despite the fact that all machines except tortoise are successfully using the dns server |
| 23:42.59 | liable | !tell debiannoobie about pater |
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| 23:43.04 | liable | !tell debiannoobie about paster |
| 23:43.08 | nashirak | Is there a way to record audio in realtime coming from the soundcard, under linux? |
| 23:43.17 | bessel | mfrisch: I will try to ask the desktop support in our dept. thank you for your help. |
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| 23:43.31 | mfrisch | bessel sorry :-) |
| 23:43.39 | stew | dondelelcaro: dmesg | less ; then search for 3ware, it should tell you which /dev/sd? its attached to |
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| 23:43.44 | stew | debiannoobie: ^^^ |
| 23:43.51 | interbird | nashirak: Maybe ffmpeg |
| 23:44.06 | stew | litage_: so it sounds like you need to setup /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:44.17 | nashirak | interbird: But you dont know for sure? |
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| 23:44.31 | litage_ | stew: right, except that tortoise's resolv.conf is exactly the same as every other box's |
| 23:44.42 | debiannoobie | liable: pasted |
| 23:44.51 | abrotman | xnix: did you find anyone to help you with xorg? |
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| 23:44.57 | liable | debiannoobie: and the url is? :) |
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| 23:45.19 | stew | litage_: do you have "hosts: files dns" in /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
| 23:45.22 | xnix | abrotman, naah, havent been working on it, ive been doing some work for school |
| 23:45.45 | xnix | but its still bugging me heh |
| 23:45.47 | litage_ | stew: yes, "hosts: files dns" in that order |
| 23:45.56 | debiannoobie | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.58 | interbird | nashirak: No but I saw something of "audio-sources" when displaying it's flags |
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| 23:46.15 | stew | litage_: does dns work at all on this machine? |
| 23:46.21 | nashirak | interbird: ok thx |
| 23:46.27 | abrotman | xnix: hrm .. you might want to try asking again .. different times .. different people/helpers |
| 23:46.32 | litage_ | stew: not as far as i can tell |
| 23:46.44 | xnix | yeah |
| 23:46.58 | xnix | i guess i should just ask about my glxinfo errors |
| 23:47.02 | jlil | samba is cool |
| 23:47.23 | liable | debiannoobie: ah, so your linux root isnt on the raid? |
| 23:47.27 | xnix | does anyone know why glxinfo just gives me this: libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x24, and then segfaults |
| 23:47.37 | xnix | im not sure if i have my opengl and dri stuff set up correctly |
| 23:47.38 | debiannoobie | liable: no |
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| 23:48.01 | interbird | xnix: I had troubles with xorg, dunno if same as yours |
| 23:48.07 | abrotman | xnix: did you ever get to pick r128 for your driver? |
| 23:48.14 | liable | debiannoobie: fine, change the mount point to whatever you want. mkdir /mnt/whatever then edit fstab |
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| 23:48.47 | abrotman | gravity: the suspense .. everyone has a rain delay .. i can't take it! |
| 23:48.48 | debiannoobie | Guys.. I hate to do it but I have to go.... Have disaster relief training for next weeks trip to LA to help out... Thanks for ALL the help!! |
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| 23:49.12 | abrotman | LA sure is a disaster .. SanFran is next! |
| 23:49.23 | abrotman | wait .. he meant NOLA didn't he? |
| 23:49.31 | xnix | abrotman, its not an option, you can only pick ATI |
| 23:49.34 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:49.35 | xnix | abrotman, hang on i'll find u the page i was on |
| 23:49.35 | NuDragon | what about SF? |
| 23:49.38 | abrotman | xnix: that's really freaking odd |
| 23:49.41 | NuDragon | something happen? |
| 23:49.49 | abrotman | i'm a bad person |
| 23:49.56 | xnix | http://www.x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/RELNOTES3.html#9 |
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| 23:50.00 | xnix | abrotman, thats the only options i get ^^ |
| 23:50.22 | xnix | see what i mean that r128 is a subset of the ati driver it seems, but i do switch my xorg.conf to read r128 fo my driver like it says it should in the man page for it |
| 23:50.23 | abrotman | why is debhelper and irc.freenode.net setting channel limits ? |
| 23:50.29 | JL0gik_NS | how do you switch back to reg user? |
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| 23:50.58 | abrotman | xnix: i'm confused as all hell .. |
| 23:51.09 | xnix | abrotman, i may just look into getting a new video card, i want to try stuff out like the xcomposite stuff and such anyway |
| 23:51.28 | xnix | what would you guys recommend in the way of decent and cheap video cards....nvidia or ati seems to be the big debate |
| 23:51.30 | netcat | JL0gik_NS: Did you su to root? |
| 23:51.30 | helix | argh, what's the site with older debian packages? not archive.d.o, the other one |
| 23:51.34 | vagabund | so try and error - |
| 23:51.41 | abrotman | xnix: i think the ati driver is way way wrong |
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| 23:51.47 | abrotman | helix: snapshot.d.n ? |
| 23:51.52 | helix | ah yes, thank you |
| 23:51.56 | abrotman | no beer? :) |
| 23:52.08 | xnix | abrotman, hmmm why is that |
| 23:52.15 | JL0gik_NS | yes i did |
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| 23:52.32 | vagabund | and if it works you shout loud - hello!!! |
| 23:52.32 | xnix | abrotman, i switched my xorg.conf to say r128 though, and it loads the r128 driver, i showed you the messages earlier from my xorg.log showing successfull DRI loading and r128 loading messages |
| 23:52.36 | abrotman | xnix: the ati driver is for the mach64 cards .. i don't think ati128 is a mach64 |
| 23:52.37 | netcat | either type exit or else hit <ctrl>d |
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| 23:52.50 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone know how to disable the touchpad clicking on a laptop? |
| 23:53.02 | abrotman | xnix: did you check the BTS at all ? |
| 23:53.05 | xnix | abrotman, right, i dont have "ati" listed in my xorg.conf, i changed it |
| 23:53.07 | xnix | abrotman, BTS? |
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| 23:53.18 | abrotman | !bts |
| 23:53.18 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 23:53.27 | xnix | ahh yeah i sesarched for xorg |
| 23:53.30 | xnix | and it didnt give anything |
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| 23:53.51 | abrotman | xnix: somehow .. i'm betting there's a simple option that's missing |
| 23:53.59 | xnix | possibly so |
| 23:54.04 | xnix | an option in my xorg.conf or what |
| 23:54.05 | xnix | i added the |
| 23:54.11 | interbird | Led_Zeppelin: The touchpad or just being able to click on it ? |
| 23:54.13 | xnix | EnablePageFlip to true |
| 23:54.20 | ugly | when using lftp to automate mirroring of several directories, is there any way to exclude 0 byte files and empty directories? |
| 23:54.31 | Led_Zeppelin | interbird: just being able to click on it |
| 23:54.35 | Led_Zeppelin | its vERY annoying |
| 23:54.51 | abrotman | xnix: you could also ask in #freedesktop i think |
| 23:55.20 | xnix | ok |
| 23:55.23 | dondelelcaro | ugly: that's kind of beyond what lftp's mirror was set up to do... you're probably better using rsync instead |
| 23:55.46 | ugly | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 23:55.50 | dondelelcaro | ugly: you could always mirror first, then delete those files afterwards |
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| 23:56.16 | ugly | dondelelcaro: true, but kinda dirty :P |
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| 23:56.32 | interbird | Led_Zeppelin: I think you cannot disable part of it -- make it a 0-button mouse ? |
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| 23:57.31 | dondelelcaro | ugly: not really... it's just two additional find commands... |
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| 23:58.03 | ugly | dondelelcaro: it's a concern when you're doing a mirror between two remote sites and speed is a concern :P |
| 23:58.07 | dondelelcaro | find . -type f -size 0 -print0|xargs -0 rm -f; find . -type d |xargs rmdir -p; |
| 23:58.13 | xnix | abrotman, im asking over there |
| 23:58.31 | dondelelcaro | ugly: emtpy files and directories shouldn't contribute hardly anything to the speed |
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| 23:58.54 | dondelelcaro | ugly: and indeed, if they are, the problem is on the server end which has those pointless files |
| 23:59.01 | ugly | heh |
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| 23:59.06 | pem3v78 | when using dmraid should the drives be discovered like there was no raid array ? |
| 23:59.44 | Burandiro | oi |
| 23:59.52 | ugly | dondelelcaro: since these 0-byte files and empty dirs have similar names, it's too bad lftp's exclude commands don't work with directories, just files |
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