| 00:00.15 | Burandiro | hi |
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| 00:00.24 | abrotman | xnix: that will be fantastic if they know about r128 :) |
| 00:00.29 | jlil | hi |
| 00:00.34 | xnix | hehe abrotman yeah |
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| 00:01.12 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 00:01.36 | nullvoid | how do I set apt-cron to download upgrade, it doesn't by default |
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| 00:02.38 | abrotman | read the ... man page ? |
| 00:03.01 | vagabund | why do something nothing by default? |
| 00:03.32 | abrotman | vagabund: are you always so non-sensical ? |
| 00:04.31 | interbird | Ahh, pizza has arrived :-) |
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| 00:05.07 | Azar | !alsa |
| 00:05.07 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 00:06.22 | abrotman | resiak: come over here and play! |
| 00:06.28 | resiak | abrotman: No! |
| 00:06.32 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:06.42 | nullvoid | abrotman: do you use cron-apt? |
| 00:06.54 | abrotman | no .. it's not a very good idea |
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| 00:07.02 | abrotman | at least not to install like that |
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| 00:07.26 | nullvoid | abrotman: yes not to install but download it only, I can't locate the config file of that |
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| 00:07.32 | joesboxd3b | wow that is a lot of users |
| 00:07.36 | abrotman | !cron-apt |
| 00:07.41 | stew | !apt-cron |
| 00:07.41 | abrotman | !apt-cron |
| 00:07.43 | kelmo_lap | mzilikazi64: hey, sup |
| 00:07.45 | abrotman | !apt cron |
| 00:07.48 | abrotman | !cron apt |
| 00:07.51 | abrotman | bah .. ffs .. |
| 00:07.55 | nullvoid | nope |
| 00:08.07 | abrotman | !apt-get cron |
| 00:08.07 | dpkg | Don't do it! If your unattended apt-get upgrade blows up, your system could be unusable, and you won't even have a prompt on the console to answer. |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | !win me! |
| 00:08.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, me!! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 00:08.46 | abrotman | nullman: i htink it downloads only by default .. and if it's really that big .. `apt-get update;apt-get -d upgrade` |
| 00:08.49 | nullvoid | abrotman: like I said, not to upgrade but dowbload only |
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| 00:09.05 | joesboxd3b | can someone help be with some output of dpkg-deb --build |
| 00:09.18 | Guerin | joesboxd3b: what's not working? |
| 00:09.21 | abrotman | joesboxd3b: just start blabbing away :) |
| 00:09.25 | nullvoid | abrotman: but it doesn't run according to it's cron time |
| 00:09.30 | joesboxd3b | i am attempting to package a copy of jwm |
| 00:09.35 | abrotman | nullman: explain further |
| 00:09.37 | Aim_Here | Is it okay if I ask someone if it's okay for me to ask a question? |
| 00:09.37 | joesboxd3b | here is the output i can't figure out |
| 00:09.39 | joesboxd3b | jwm: syntax-error-in-debian-changelog line 1 "badly formatted heading line" |
| 00:09.39 | joesboxd3b | W: jwm: syntax-error-in-debian-changelog line 2 "badly formatted heading line" |
| 00:09.40 | joesboxd3b | W: jwm: syntax-error-in-debian-changelog line 2 "found eof where expected first heading" |
| 00:09.43 | abrotman | joesboxd3b: NO |
| 00:09.52 | abrotman | joesboxd3b: you'll get kicked if you paste too much |
| 00:09.55 | Guerin | joesboxd3b: don't paste |
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| 00:10.06 | joesboxd3b | only three lines... i now i was kicked before |
| 00:10.12 | Guerin | joesboxd3b: and don't edit the changelog manually, unless you know just what you're doing, which you don't |
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| 00:10.20 | abrotman | only three lines is three too many :) |
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| 00:10.49 | Guerin | joesboxd3b: i'd sinmply run debian/rules binary in this case |
| 00:10.53 | joesboxd3b | Guerin: right... so how does the changelog get changed? |
| 00:11.04 | Guerin | joesboxd3b: if you want to fuck with the changelog, read the ... |
| 00:11.06 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 00:11.07 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 00:11.13 | joesboxd3b | i am still learning from a tldp.org howto |
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| 00:11.31 | pierreact | i everyone ! I got an issue here: "$ whois ibm.com" and i get "getaddrinfo: Name or service not known" Any idea ? |
| 00:12.03 | abrotman | !mg |
| 00:12.03 | joesboxd3b | Guerin: i tried to read that but i lost my way... the tldp.org how to is more to the point but i think it takes shortcuts here and there |
| 00:12.03 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar |
| 00:12.25 | abrotman | wait .. why does nm guide point at mg .. instead of nm ? |
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| 00:13.05 | Guerin | joesboxd3b: are you just building a debian source package? Or are you doing the whole conversion from upstream to proper debian source? |
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| 00:13.09 | stew | abrotman: becuase they are both the same thing? |
| 00:13.13 | abrotman | !nm |
| 00:13.13 | dpkg | methinks nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
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| 00:13.22 | joesboxd3b | i am making a binary package |
| 00:13.37 | Guerin | joesboxd3b: from what source? |
| 00:13.47 | abrotman | stew: maybe .. it's been a long day :) |
| 00:13.51 | buu | I don't suppose anyone knows how to make a portmaster3 do dialup to say, telnet? |
| 00:14.00 | joesboxd3b | http://www.joewing.net/programs/jwm/jwm-0.24.tar.bz2 |
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| 00:14.04 | joesboxd3b | is that what you mean? |
| 00:14.06 | abrotman | buu: you have all the weird questions! |
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| 00:14.14 | brlancer | I ran 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' but it didn't write an XF86Config-4 anywhere I can find; when I run it again, it has the values I entered so it is writing somewhere--where does write the file? |
| 00:14.17 | bitey | My debian box wont reboot - it just blanks the screen, however it will shut down correctly... anyone know of any fixes? |
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| 00:14.22 | joesboxd3b | Guerin: please forgive my ignorance |
| 00:14.26 | Guerin | joesboxd3b: ok, so you're building form an upstream source. Does the source tree contain a debian/ dir? |
| 00:14.39 | abrotman | !tell brlancer about xmd5 |
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| 00:15.03 | joesboxd3b | Guerin: no it doesn't |
| 00:15.40 | brlancer | abrotman: that's it, much thanks |
| 00:15.40 | stew | i knew a bu in college too |
| 00:15.47 | abrotman | np |
| 00:16.01 | abrotman | stew: i bet my bu was better looking :) |
| 00:16.15 | Guerin | joesboxd3b: ok. Unless you're packaging it for some official project, in this case I'd simply roll back to a clean source, run ./configure && sudo checkinstall |
| 00:16.16 | kelmo_lap | joesboxd3b: isn't jwm in debian now? |
| 00:16.17 | joesboxd3b | Guerin: it does contain a irix/ and a slack/ and a solaris |
| 00:16.27 | stew | abrotman: well, i dunno, the guy i knew named bu was kinda cute i guess |
| 00:16.28 | abrotman | it does ? |
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| 00:16.31 | joesboxd3b | yeah i tis |
| 00:16.33 | Guerin | joesboxd3b: unless it's in debian, in which case you should use the debian package |
| 00:16.33 | joesboxd3b | it is* |
| 00:16.35 | abrotman | stew: mine was a turkish girl :) |
| 00:16.45 | bitey | Would i have a ACPI Problem? |
| 00:16.47 | joesboxd3b | Guerin: i am the original packager |
| 00:16.51 | Guerin | oh |
| 00:16.54 | Guerin | i see |
| 00:17.04 | abrotman | bitey: it's possible |
| 00:17.05 | vagabund | hum - the "american" society laggs |
| 00:17.14 | abrotman | vagabund: cows are blue |
| 00:17.19 | joesboxd3b | but then i was just googling and found the deb archive with it in there |
| 00:17.24 | Guerin | joesboxd3b: then you do need to learn how to make a debian source tree, most probably. |
| 00:17.28 | joesboxd3b | i was completely suprised |
| 00:17.45 | joesboxd3b | i am not the originator of the project |
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| 00:17.46 | pierreact | i everyone ! I got an issue here: "$ whois ibm.com" and i get "getaddrinfo: Name or service not known" Any idea ? |
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| 00:18.03 | Guerin | pierreact: whois ibm.com works for me. |
| 00:18.07 | joesboxd3b | Guerin: i just happen to have the same name as the author |
| 00:18.15 | joesboxd3b | Guerin: funny how that happend |
| 00:18.18 | Guerin | man, my brain hurts |
| 00:18.19 | joesboxd3b | happened* |
| 00:18.20 | abrotman | pierreact: does your DNS work ? |
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| 00:18.29 | pierreact | Guerin, yes, i know _I_ have an issue, would like to know what |
| 00:18.29 | vagabund | *rofl* |
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| 00:18.32 | joesboxd3b | Guerin: thanks for the help. |
| 00:18.34 | pierreact | abrotman, it does |
| 00:18.44 | abrotman | joesboxd3b: you might like #debian-mentor{s} .. whatever the channel is |
| 00:18.46 | mylanta | Hi |
| 00:18.54 | Guerin | abrotman: i was just typing that |
| 00:18.58 | Guerin | abrotman: DAMN YOU |
| 00:19.03 | pierreact | with the browser i can go to ibm.com |
| 00:19.19 | litage_ | how do you ask netstat if there are incoming or outgoing udp packets? |
| 00:19.22 | joesboxd3b | Guerin: i am going to go back to trying to follow the howto from scratch... completely. and i will check out the #deb* you suggested |
| 00:19.23 | dondelelcaro | ugly: ah... |
| 00:19.32 | pierreact | humm |
| 00:19.36 | pierreact | as root it work... |
| 00:19.37 | abrotman | Guerin: you can give me a beer now! |
| 00:19.44 | Guerin | !tea abrotman |
| 00:19.49 | pierreact | so, it's a rights problem... just dono where |
| 00:19.53 | abrotman | yay ? |
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| 00:20.02 | Guerin | abrotman: bad abrotman! No beer! |
| 00:20.27 | pierreact | humm |
| 00:20.28 | pierreact | no |
| 00:20.31 | mylanta | I screwed the executable file permissions up in /dev /etc and /boot |
| 00:20.32 | pierreact | works sometimes |
| 00:20.36 | pierreact | sh*t |
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| 00:20.53 | nite613_ | pierreact: Your DNS server is flaky, use a different one |
| 00:20.53 | Guerin | pierreact: flakey dns? |
| 00:20.59 | cio | Hi all, where does debian keep the user's fullname, phone, etc, as entered by it's adduser program? |
| 00:20.59 | pierreact | hum |
| 00:21.01 | pierreact | ok... |
| 00:21.12 | pierreact | i'll use an l3 |
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| 00:21.23 | nite613 | Your browser is smarter about DNS than whois; it does caching, retries, etc |
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| 00:21.29 | pierreact | ah, of course, it's comcast's |
| 00:21.42 | Guerin | haha |
| 00:21.50 | abrotman | !tell solemnwarning about away |
| 00:22.03 | abrotman | pierreact: comcast dns sucks |
| 00:22.04 | abrotman | badly |
| 00:22.28 | Guerin | why do y'all use it then? |
| 00:22.36 | Guerin | there's a zillion free dns servers out ther |
| 00:22.38 | Guerin | e |
| 00:22.40 | mylanta | I have another system up and running is the a way of finding a list of files in these directories which have executable bits set? |
| 00:22.46 | pierreact | abrotman, anything that doesn't sucks about comcast ? |
| 00:22.51 | pierreact | not their modem for sure... |
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| 00:23.02 | nite613 | mylanta: man find |
| 00:23.02 | Guerin | mylanta: man find |
| 00:23.05 | nite613 | heh |
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| 00:23.13 | pierreact | thanks guys, has set to a level3 now... |
| 00:23.27 | nite613 | pierreact: Did it fix the problem? |
| 00:23.27 | abrotman | pierreact: the speed .. that's it |
| 00:23.42 | pierreact | btw if this can help someone, they are freely opened... 4.2.2.1 to 4.2.2.6 |
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| 00:24.33 | mylanta | did that, I am assumeing that the -perm mode thing is the key, what man page would octal modes be in? |
| 00:24.35 | CosmoDad | is there a way to re-create those example debian/ files that dh_make creates without re-calling dh_make? |
| 00:24.45 | CosmoDad | like README.Debian, etc. |
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| 00:26.55 | JediMaster | I really could do with a hand fixing postfix/ldap since the upgrade.. =( |
| 00:27.08 | netcat | bitey: Define "wont reboot" and "blanks the screen". Does it do nothing? Does it go to halt mode? |
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| 00:28.32 | abrotman | JediMaster: need more details |
| 00:28.36 | CasaNova_ | does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg replace dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 00:28.48 | abrotman | CasaNova_: if you have xorg installed .. yes |
| 00:28.48 | JediMaster | abrotman: sorry, been repeating this for the last 14-15 hours |
| 00:28.50 | nite613 | mylanta: google would tell you. the modes are: read=4 write=2 execute=1, so 644 is u+rw g+r g+r |
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| 00:29.00 | abrotman | JediMaster: and you haven't made any progress ? |
| 00:29.03 | [Nukem] | good night |
| 00:29.03 | JediMaster | abrotman: since an upgrade postfix no longer sees any of the ldap users on teh system |
| 00:29.06 | nite613 | mylanta: sorry, u+rw g+r o+r |
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| 00:29.07 | CasaNova_ | abrotman - thanks just trying to redo my nvidia setup.... |
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| 00:29.21 | abrotman | JediMaster: since upgrade of what to what ? |
| 00:29.23 | [Nukem] | how can i change the smtp port of sendmail ? |
| 00:29.24 | JediMaster | abrotman: after 14-15 hours talking in #postfix, #ldap and here, I'm exactly where I was |
| 00:29.41 | JediMaster | abrotman: not a clue someone did an apt-get upgrade fairly blindly on the server |
| 00:29.44 | abrotman | [Nukem]: look in the conf file ... read the man page |
| 00:29.50 | abrotman | JediMaster: was it sarge already? |
| 00:29.55 | JediMaster | yes |
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| 00:30.02 | abrotman | JediMaster: and it's still sarge? |
| 00:30.04 | nite613 | mylanta: I think you want -perm +111 but I'm not sure exactly what you did to mess it up, so it's hard to know exactly what you're looking for |
| 00:30.11 | abrotman | bah .. play boston play! |
| 00:30.30 | vagabund | hes drunk |
| 00:30.31 | JediMaster | abrotman: yeah |
| 00:30.42 | pierreact | abrotman, you're around boston ? |
| 00:30.43 | drp | I want to send an email using mail with only a subject(no message body, cc addresses, etc) but whenever I use somethign like: "mail -s testing testing@testing.com" it prompts me for a message body and cc address |
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| 00:30.48 | abrotman | JediMaster: the only thing updated in the last few days was .. python iirc |
| 00:30.53 | abrotman | pierreact: no .. but i'm a sox fan :) |
| 00:30.54 | JediMaster | abrotman: they just did apt-get update/upgrade, they wouldn't know to change anything else |
| 00:30.59 | drp | do I need to configure somethign differently |
| 00:30.59 | pierreact | :) |
| 00:31.03 | [Nukem] | in /etc/mail/sendmail.conf don't have any config of port |
| 00:31.03 | abrotman | pierreact: sadly .. i didn't make it to fenway this year |
| 00:31.08 | JediMaster | abrotman: saying that, this machine is probably sid |
| 00:31.17 | abrotman | JediMaster: i just asked you if it was sarge :) |
| 00:31.22 | abrotman | JediMaster: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:31.27 | pierreact | I'm pretty often at the front of fenway |
| 00:31.40 | JediMaster | 2.3.5-6 |
| 00:31.45 | marculix | drp: less <file> | mail -s "subject" user@domain.com |
| 00:31.48 | abrotman | !info libc6 sarge |
| 00:31.51 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 00:31.52 | abrotman | pierreact: drunk? :) |
| 00:31.58 | abrotman | JediMaster: not sarge any more ... |
| 00:32.04 | abrotman | JediMaster: you have obviously checked the BTS ? |
| 00:32.11 | pierreact | heh, no, for work, at time i go close to there |
| 00:32.13 | marculix | drp: less <file> | mailto -s "subject" user@domain.com |
| 00:32.15 | pierreact | i live in boston |
| 00:32.21 | JediMaster | abrotman: BTS? |
| 00:32.24 | abrotman | pierreact: i figured .. |
| 00:32.25 | abrotman | !bts |
| 00:32.25 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 00:32.36 | JediMaster | no, not yet |
| 00:32.41 | abrotman | pierreact: boston is a great city .. my sister still lives near it |
| 00:32.47 | JediMaster | I presumed it was a config file change |
| 00:32.48 | abrotman | JediMaster: not yet? .. that's where you should have started :) |
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| 00:33.05 | pierreact | yes, it's pretty nice around :) |
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| 00:33.26 | abrotman | but i did buy my NLDS Game 4 tix today for philly :) |
| 00:33.32 | vagabund | hehe explode - |
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| 00:33.41 | abrotman | vagabund: my cat barks |
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| 00:33.54 | interbird | Ahh, that was a nice pizza |
| 00:33.59 | drp | marculix: thanks |
| 00:34.04 | mylanta | nite613: thanks, I will play with that a bit, (my stuffup was /home/share#> chmod -R a-x . / ) followed by a rapid CTRL-C |
| 00:35.26 | vagabund | oh he has a cat - |
| 00:35.40 | mylanta | nite613: i was on the floor looking up at the monitor and could not see the dot or <space> |
| 00:36.04 | JediMaster | abrotman: can't see anything hugely relevant so far |
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| 00:36.27 | koringaX | help me |
| 00:36.31 | abrotman | JediMaster: if a config file changed .. the old one would be there in the /etc/postfix dir |
| 00:36.34 | abrotman | or /etc/ldap |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | koringaX: help us help you |
| 00:36.59 | koringaX | I don 't configuration vacation on my debian |
| 00:37.07 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:37.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:37.33 | interbird | You go on vacation without debian ??? |
| 00:37.35 | koringaX | Mta - PostFix , no Mysql instaler in my system |
| 00:37.53 | abrotman | wtf does mysql have to do with vacation ? |
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| 00:38.29 | mcgrof | anyone in Los Angeles, CA? |
| 00:38.36 | jcurry | how do i downgrade from an experimental xorg to the unstable version? is it possible, without simply downloading the debs and manually installing them? i can hardly remove xserver-xorg, since so much depends on it :) |
| 00:38.42 | abrotman | mcgrof: aren't you in jersey? |
| 00:39.08 | abrotman | jcurry: remove the experimental line from your sources .. apt-get update .. and wait :) |
| 00:39.54 | jcurry | abrotman, duh. i feel stupid now :( |
| 00:39.55 | gravity | jcurry: If you use aptitude in interactive mode, you can manually select the version for each package |
| 00:40.09 | gravity | jcurry: Did the experimental packages not work for you? |
| 00:40.16 | abrotman | gravity: should r128 exist in xorg ? |
| 00:40.20 | gravity | abrotman: Yes |
| 00:40.30 | abrotman | gravity: someone here earlier couldn't select it |
| 00:40.33 | gravity | Or rather, the card support. Not the driver, iirc |
| 00:40.37 | abrotman | gravity: and the time is STILL updating :) |
| 00:40.38 | koringaX | i like running vacation , and no install the mysql |
| 00:40.40 | bitey | mmm |
| 00:40.41 | jcurry | gravity, isn't aptitude that horrible command-line program with all the arcane shortcuts? |
| 00:40.54 | interbird | jcurry: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:40.56 | abrotman | jcurry: i think that's dselect :) |
| 00:40.59 | gravity | jcurry: I happen to like it quite a bit. It's very powerful. |
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| 00:41.06 | koringaX | exist two arq. for config, in ~/homedir |
| 00:41.14 | jcurry | gravity, nope, i have tried to get dri working, but it is stubborn...my xorg freezes the system completely if i load the dri module :( |
| 00:41.14 | koringaX | names .forward |
| 00:41.21 | koringaX | and .vacation.msg |
| 00:41.29 | jcurry | gravity, i guess i can give it another try :) |
| 00:41.32 | gravity | abrotman: Actually, r128 does exist. |
| 00:41.40 | gravity | jcurry: What card? |
| 00:41.45 | roby | To pass a kernel argument from grub, do i simply press 'e' to go to edit mode on particular kernel selection, then go to entry marked 'kernel /vmlinuz....' and add the option there? i.e. mem=768 ? |
| 00:41.47 | abrotman | gravity: hrm .. they guy couldn't select it . had all kinds of glx errors too |
| 00:41.49 | jcurry | gravity, radeon 9200se |
| 00:41.53 | interbird | jcurry: or use synaptic and: settings->sources or so from the menu |
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| 00:41.59 | jcurry | roby, yep |
| 00:42.05 | roby | jcurry: thanks |
| 00:42.08 | gravity | jcurry: Hrm. Hopefully the bug will be fixed before release then. |
| 00:42.11 | abrotman | jcurry: i used to have that problem because of a shitty Mobo(though it was SMP) |
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| 00:42.21 | abrotman | and it wasn't actually shitty ... just not made for AGP :) |
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| 00:42.23 | jcurry | gravity, i hope so too |
| 00:42.36 | gravity | jcurry: Did you submit a bug report to Debian or Xorg? |
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| 00:42.40 | JediMaster | abrotman: I can't see anything there about it |
| 00:42.50 | gravity | Well, I didn't see a Debian one, so I doubt you sent one to us :-) |
| 00:42.54 | abrotman | JediMaster: you checked bugs for ldap and postfix ? |
| 00:42.55 | jcurry | abrotman, no, i am sticking with this mobo, because i recently spent a whole bunch of money on it...i have had dri working on this mobo, however |
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| 00:43.09 | abrotman | ok |
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| 00:43.17 | abrotman | jcurry: mine was an HP netserver board :) |
| 00:43.24 | JediMaster | abrotman: just postfix, ldap is working fine, ftp, pop3, ssh etc all authenticate fine through pam_ldap |
| 00:43.26 | jcurry | gravity, i think it is already there, but i'm not sure it is the same bug....the symptoms are the same, but the fix seems completely unrelated |
| 00:43.29 | gravity | Ok |
| 00:43.39 | jcurry | so i'll try downgrading :) |
| 00:43.50 | abrotman | JediMaster: and you have the postfix-ldap package installed ? |
| 00:43.59 | gravity | Well, when RC1 gets released, I'm hoping it'll be in experimental quickly, if all goes according to plan |
| 00:44.03 | JediMaster | I didn't until earlier |
| 00:44.09 | abrotman | gravity: straight to sid! |
| 00:44.10 | JediMaster | abrotman: I wasn't using it |
| 00:44.25 | abrotman | JediMaster: how do you know the ldap isn't working ? |
| 00:44.26 | gravity | abrotman: vorlon would kill me. We're going to do some heavy damage to the archive with 6.9 |
| 00:44.41 | gravity | Again :-) |
| 00:44.46 | Guerin | yay! |
| 00:44.48 | abrotman | gravity: oh .. bah .. he won't mind ... |
| 00:44.50 | JediMaster | abrotman: ldap is, postfix however is sayign the users don't exist, EVERYTHING else says they do lol |
| 00:44.59 | abrotman | gravity: quick .. do it now .. while he isn't around :) |
| 00:45.00 | jcurry | gravity, thanks for all your work, btw |
| 00:45.03 | gravity | heh |
| 00:45.07 | jcurry | gravity, i *do* appreciate it |
| 00:45.08 | gravity | jcurry: You're welcome. |
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| 00:45.50 | koringaX | please |
| 00:45.54 | abrotman | JediMaster: and you of course read all the docs at www.postfix.org ? |
| 00:45.56 | JediMaster | abrotman: I'm using just standard virtual maps to map aliases to users, and the users happen to only exist in the ldap server, which works for everything else |
| 00:45.58 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:45.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:46.04 | JediMaster | abrotman: yes, hundereds of times over |
| 00:46.04 | koringaX | help me with vacation |
| 00:46.27 | abrotman | gravity: because you helped someone ? :) |
| 00:46.47 | gravity | abrotman: It's nice to be recognized for the work I've put in :-) |
| 00:46.48 | abrotman | JediMaster: so you read the postfix/ldap howto ? |
| 00:46.57 | scarynetworkguy | gravity: A little penecillian will clear that right up. |
| 00:47.01 | gravity | Ha!@ |
| 00:47.05 | abrotman | gravity: i know someone else here with an xorg issue :) |
| 00:47.30 | jcurry | ooh, lemme guess who! |
| 00:47.33 | abrotman | not you |
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| 00:47.37 | abrotman | not me either |
| 00:47.47 | jcurry | oh :( |
| 00:47.49 | gravity | I've got tons of Xorg issues. The BTS is full of 'em |
| 00:47.50 | JediMaster | abrotman: yes, but that's not how it's configured, the aliases are in the virtual file, not in the ldap server |
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| 00:48.44 | JediMaster | hehe, it can be a pain from time to time |
| 00:48.58 | abrotman | ldap is totoally confused by ldap |
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| 00:49.10 | interbird | ldap ? |
| 00:49.12 | jcurry | it sure sounds like it :) |
| 00:49.18 | JediMaster | everything has been working perfectly this way for months, and suddenly all emails die on the server as postfix thinks none of the ldap users exist, while every other service can see them |
| 00:49.31 | jcurry | interbird, lightweight (ha |
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| 00:49.42 | jcurry | ...directoy access protocol |
| 00:49.51 | abrotman | JediMaster: did you look for the old config files ? |
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| 00:49.56 | abrotman | !ldap |
| 00:49.57 | dpkg | ldap is probably Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, see http://www.openldap.org for more information. a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. http://howto.aphroland.org/, or openldap's server is available in the slapd package |
| 00:50.02 | mankeletor | hi all, im downloading a netinstall from debian.org |
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| 00:50.15 | JediMaster | abrotman: yes, there weren't any that have been changed as far as I can see |
| 00:50.37 | abrotman | JediMaster: you checked thier modification times ? |
| 00:50.41 | JediMaster | yes |
| 00:50.51 | abrotman | JediMaster: was postfix updated? |
| 00:50.53 | interbird | mankeletor: good thinkin' |
| 00:51.11 | CasaNova_ | I just finished a testing upgrade (kernel 2.6.12 etc) and I had a bunch of shortcuts on my Gnome desktop and they are still there but don't appear on my desktop - did the default gnome desktop location change? |
| 00:51.20 | mankeletor | how must i do for install the another part (packages) of the distro? |
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| 00:51.31 | JediMaster | abrotman: I'm not sure, but from what I can see from the dpkg cache that the last update to postfix was over a month ago |
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| 00:51.37 | abrotman | mankeletor: it will download them from the intarweb |
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| 00:51.52 | abrotman | JediMaster: so what changed in the last 24 hours ? |
| 00:52.15 | interbird | CasaNove: Also Gnome 2.8 to 2.10 i'd guess |
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| 00:52.24 | JediMaster | abrotman: well there was one thing, but I had ruled it out |
| 00:52.33 | interbird | CasaNove: Gnome vfs ? |
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| 00:52.45 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:53.09 | CasaNova_ | interbird: Not 100% sure - just know I had to do a lot of manual install due to held bak packages, everythgin runnign OK now just cant seem to locate the desktop... |
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| 00:53.17 | JediMaster | abrotman: there was a (paid) php program (latest version) that was hacked and files had been uploaded as www-data, but apart from running an irc server as www-data I can't see anything else |
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| 00:54.10 | JediMaster | abrotman: I just can't see how anything that could have been done by www-data could have affected postfix/ldap |
| 00:54.10 | abrotman | Piggy: you left? |
| 00:54.14 | interbird | CasaNova: Should stll be in /home/user/Desktop -- try to create a new user to see if Gnome works there |
| 00:54.34 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: pretty much any file that www-data can write to is suspect; it's quite possible if you're running an outdated kernel that there could have been a local root exploit. |
| 00:54.53 | CasaNova_ | interbird: Yeah I still have the /home/user/Desktop with *.desktop files in it, but I can't seea ny icons on my desktop- I'll try a new user though |
| 00:54.54 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: you should probalby start by backing up the data, wiping the machine, and starting over. |
| 00:54.55 | abrotman | among other htings |
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| 00:55.45 | interbird | CasaNova_: Sounds ok... |
| 00:56.09 | JediMaster | dondelelcaro: that's what I thought to start with, but I can't see anything wrong apart from this, and chkrootkit looks clean and it looks like a script kiddie hack (no attempt to clean up the trail) and no evidence that anything was done past www-data user |
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| 00:57.13 | JediMaster | also md5 sums of everything important check out |
| 00:57.29 | mcgrof | abrotman: my irc client is, but today I am physically in LA |
| 00:57.41 | abrotman | mcgrof: your cross-country lag is horrible :) |
| 00:58.05 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: yes, but it's quite a bit more work than that to clear everything; you've got to check md5sums with a known good md5sum implementation, then start going back through and checking all of the init.d files, all of the conf files, all of the user . files; and anything else that is +x or read by something that could possibly be run by anything on the system. |
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| 00:58.44 | abrotman | all the web files .. since you could be runing a PHP script that attacks cia.gov everytime it's executed :) |
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| 00:59.31 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: chkrootkit is a start, but it's not the end-all-be-all. |
| 00:59.37 | JediMaster | dondelelcaro: md5's check out |
| 00:59.56 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: with what md5sum? If you're using the md5sum on the compromised system, you lose. |
| 01:00.29 | buu | dondelelcaro: You ever used a portmaster3? |
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| 01:00.37 | dondelelcaro | buu: no... |
| 01:00.42 | buu | dondelelcaro: Shux and darn. |
| 01:00.43 | CasaNova_ | When I click on Places/Desktop in newly upgraded testing Gnome I get an error box " Cannot display location 'file:///home/user/Desktop' Details: There is no default action associated with this location |
| 01:00.50 | abrotman | gatekeeper! |
| 01:01.02 | adrakoa | Hi, i'm a problem, i have gnome, but i cannot change to ttyxx, i probe to change the keyboard.. but nothing, with /etc/X11/xorg.conf, i don't know ... |
| 01:01.09 | JediMaster | dondelelcaro: lol no, first thing I did was get clean ps, ls, ifconfig, md5sum etc |
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| 01:01.42 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: and a clean libc6 and a clean ld-linux.so and a clean ld.conf, etc? |
| 01:02.00 | CasaNova_ | DArn even clickin the icon for file browser fails due to no nautilus,,, |
| 01:02.01 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: and no, you can't get clean ones by installing them using any binary on the system... |
| 01:02.01 | abrotman | clean sh/bash/csh ? |
| 01:02.03 | interbird | CasaNova_: Did you reboot after the upgrade ? |
| 01:02.12 | CasaNova_ | Seems like I got a funky gnoem install. |
| 01:02.17 | CasaNova_ | interbird: Yes I did... |
| 01:02.20 | JediMaster | dondelelcaro: no, that I haven;t done |
| 01:02.32 | bartek_ | Hello... Is there any package in Debian that finds the possibly longest text patterns and changes them to e.g. A (in a textfile) |
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| 01:02.38 | interbird | CasaNova_: Does it work on a fresh user ? |
| 01:02.46 | CasaNova_ | interbird one sec |
| 01:03.05 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: of course, I'm not saying that your exploiter was talented enough to exploit the machine in that manner, but that's all part and parcel of a complete job of reseting the machine. |
| 01:03.16 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: this is why it is so much easier to save the drive, wipe, and restart. |
| 01:03.34 | abrotman | bartek: you mean .. a compression algorthm? |
| 01:03.41 | JediMaster | ok, I've now been working 15 hours straight on this, and I'm fed up, I'm going to back up and restore it when people are actually awake |
| 01:04.19 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: yeah; that's the best idea. |
| 01:04.22 | JediMaster | dondelelcaro: I completely agree, it's normally my first action |
| 01:04.42 | bartek_ | abrotman: well... partly :-) I've got a file, where a word was encrypted |
| 01:05.02 | JediMaster | dondelelcaro: I did think they hadn't done anything, but I can't find any explanation why postfix died, and it seems to be more than a coincidence that it happeend at the same time a php script was expoited |
| 01:05.18 | bartek_ | abrotman: in the way: each A was changed to 76327282736178, each B to 2372382732798e9898729 and so on |
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| 01:06.08 | JediMaster | all running scripts have been killed, cron checked, chkrookit'ed and offending scripts removed, so I'm going to get some sleep and do this tomorrow |
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| 01:06.31 | Guerin | JediMaster: it it plugged out? |
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| 01:07.12 | JediMaster | Guerin: no, and I'm not paranoid or awake enough to do anything about it |
| 01:07.22 | Guerin | heh |
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| 01:07.53 | JediMaster | it's more important that there is some sort of site up (even defaced) than nothing at all |
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| 01:08.06 | roby | package to extract files from an rpm? |
| 01:08.08 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:08.10 | fraafjo | What is the best CD / DVD burning software for Linux? |
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| 01:08.13 | Guerin | roby: rpm |
| 01:08.21 | interbird | roby: alien |
| 01:08.21 | dvs | fraafjo: k3b |
| 01:08.23 | Guerin | fraafjo: most people like k3b |
| 01:08.24 | CasaNova_ | I;m guessing the large # of held back packages may be why my gnome desktop is failing so bad. Is evolution deprecated ? or does it need to manually installed after upgrade in testing? |
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| 01:08.35 | mankeletor | k3b rocks! |
| 01:08.50 | fluor- | fraafjo: cdrecord for power users, k3b for an easy to use GUI |
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| 01:09.10 | JediMaster | anyhow, thanks for the help and advice abrotman and dondelelcaro |
| 01:09.37 | fraafjo | OK, thank you guys. : ) |
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| 01:10.24 | error403 | Is there a way to do this? |
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| 01:11.50 | dondelelcaro | JediMaster: np; good luck with that |
| 01:11.52 | roby | interbird: thanks, Guerin: ?!? |
| 01:12.05 | interbird | error403: Look at other /etc/init.d scripts -- postgres |
| 01:12.41 | error403 | interbird, thats what im doing at the moment... i was jus wondering if someone happened to know |
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| 01:13.08 | CasaNova_ | Ok I finally just ran install against all hed-back packages 0 not as many as I thougt. Most needed updated libs and evolution required an uninstall of server hopefully gnome runs correctly now:-) |
| 01:14.00 | roler | when I ugpraded to kernel 2.6.13, it says unable to mount /selinux/ on startup... is this a kernel thing or a debian thing? I have found out that I have package libselinux1 installed which I can't remove because of package udev and cron it says |
| 01:14.01 | SupIAmMike | thank you dpkg - whoever wrote this bot is a genious |
| 01:14.19 | roler | genius ? :) |
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| 01:14.48 | error403 | Am I right in saying the correct procedure for adding something to auto-start is to add it in /etc/init.d/ and then symlink it in /etc/rc<num>.d/ ? |
| 01:14.56 | SupIAmMike | genius |
| 01:14.58 | SupIAmMike | sorry |
| 01:15.17 | SupIAmMike | obviously i did not the write the bot - i = dumb |
| 01:15.17 | roler | why does gdm require libselinux1? |
| 01:15.18 | abrotman | bartek_: they make maps for that .. many algorthms on the intarweb |
| 01:15.31 | dvs | roler: I get that and I'm running 2.6.12.5 so I'm guessing it's a Debian thing |
| 01:15.52 | Guerin | roby: rpm opens rpms. It's in debian. |
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| 01:16.05 | roler | dvs; sigh |
| 01:16.57 | By-Tor | Well, I for one am not too "keen" on the current state of the SID kernel. |
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| 01:17.07 | mylanta | about my /boot /etc /dev mode stuffup. I can get a lists of files with a particular modes set from an unbroken system. what I want to do is feed that list of filenames to chmod. do I need to use xargs to do this or is there a simpler way? |
| 01:17.09 | roby | Guerin: k, but alien is nicer |
| 01:17.24 | Guerin | roby: not if all you want to do is extract the files. |
| 01:17.49 | interbird | error403: Yes, but with Knn or Snn prefix -- Kill or Start |
| 01:17.56 | By-Tor | tee list.txt |
| 01:18.09 | By-Tor | whops, sorry |
| 01:19.29 | NyteRukh | ok this is odd |
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| 01:21.43 | NyteRukh | going nuts on this |
| 01:21.45 | CasaNova_ | I updated every held back package and am up to date on all testing apps, Gnome will display no desktop icons (tehre is no Home, or other icons) for new users as well as old... When I click file browser icon in systray I get an error about no file found |
| 01:21.58 | mylanta | what would read one line of a file and output it for xargs use? |
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| 01:22.28 | stew | CasaNova_: sounds like nautilus isn't running |
| 01:22.37 | stew | mylanta: cat |
| 01:22.43 | mylanta | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.45 | stew | mylanta: or xargs cmd < file |
| 01:22.48 | CasaNova_ | It's almost as if nautilus is totally gone? How could I have killed nautilus? I see nautilus in the start up after logging in.... |
| 01:22.54 | pijn | i just ran an apt-get install eggdrop.. but how can a user install/use the eggdrop now? |
| 01:23.05 | stew | mylanta: or cat file | xargs cmd |
| 01:23.21 | CasaNova_ | stew: What start nautilus(user log in no?) |
| 01:23.52 | interbird | CasaNova_: Maybe nautilus deamon does not work -- is not present |
| 01:24.02 | stew | CasaNova_: i dont know. maybe try just typing "nautilus" in a shell |
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| 01:24.22 | CasaNova_ | interbird: The only nautilus in a bin is /usr/bin/nautilus-cd-burner |
| 01:24.37 | CasaNova_ | bash: nautilus: command not found |
| 01:24.37 | stew | CasaNova_: apt-get install nautilus |
| 01:25.04 | interbird | CasaNova_: Does dpkg --list | grep nautilus does not show nautilus on it's own ? |
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| 01:25.29 | CasaNova_ | WOW I ran an aptitude install nautilus and sure enough it's installing - How could it NOT be a gnome dependency :-) |
| 01:25.35 | mylanta | stew: thanks, I can't think for panicing |
| 01:25.35 | NyteRukh | cant figure out why the comp keeps rebooting during format |
| 01:25.57 | systempilot | ne1 here have exp. with mondo? |
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| 01:26.02 | stew | !rdepends nautilus etch |
| 01:26.25 | interbird | CasaNova_: Mucho Strango... |
| 01:26.30 | stew | !test |
| 01:26.31 | dpkg | Yes, stew, you're still online. |
| 01:26.49 | CasaNova_ | Sure enough once the nautilus was done installing I coudl hit desktopa nd I could browse Amazing,,, Inever woudl have guessed that I coudl have gnome installed but not nautilus after upgrading a working testing system! |
| 01:26.51 | vagabund | !aids |
| 01:26.51 | dpkg | aids are what ody has from having so much gay sex |
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| 01:27.04 | stew | !forget aids |
| 01:27.04 | dpkg | i forgot aids, stew |
| 01:27.21 | interbird | CasaNova_: Mixin' distro settings ? |
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| 01:28.05 | CasaNova_ | interbird: I did't think I was - I better check my apt sources - I had tried to use an unstable package months ago - maybe I have some vestiges laying around.... |
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| 01:28.44 | CasaNova_ | I have all testing in sources and etch in merrilat apps |
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| 01:28.45 | CasaNova_ | seems OK. |
| 01:28.49 | CasaNova_ | Very weird... |
| 01:29.05 | stew | CasaNova_: you might run "apt-get -f install" and see if you have any other unsatisfied dependencies |
| 01:29.29 | stew | CasaNova_: "apt-cache show rdepends" says that you should have had nautilus if you had gnome-session |
| 01:29.32 | CasaNova_ | wonder if that was why I had SO many held back packges.... |
| 01:29.48 | CasaNova_ | stew: apt-get -f install showed 0 |
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| 01:32.12 | NyteRukh | ok this is ticking me off |
| 01:32.31 | NyteRukh | does the debian installer have problems with 10gig or 20 gig hd? |
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| 01:32.37 | Guerin | NyteRukh: no. |
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| 01:33.10 | NyteRukh | ok then why cant i partition the hds |
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| 01:34.29 | Guerin | NyteRukh: dunno. |
| 01:35.02 | interbird | NyteRukh: You could try formatting with a live-boot cd ? |
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| 01:35.19 | Muk7059 | and i'm back.. |
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| 01:35.26 | Muk7059 | kekekeke |
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| 01:35.50 | jxpx | alguien |
| 01:35.57 | cddesjar | i have a question about gpg keys |
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| 01:36.04 | CasaNova_ | I was mentioning VMware earlier and someone here mentioned that they had some trouble with etch and VMware - anyone working OK and how did you compile kernel modules? |
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| 01:36.28 | By-Tor | CasaNova_: I would use qemu instead. Its free, and seems pretty nice. |
| 01:36.36 | NyteRukh | is there another way i can create and mount the partitions? |
| 01:36.53 | interbird | CasaNova_: Grabbed a module from 5.5 beta -- vmnet -- merged that with 5.0 |
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| 01:37.01 | Guerin | !vmware |
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| 01:37.02 | dpkg | somebody said vmware was for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware, or vmware 5.0 supports 2.6 kernels happily, or offtopic for #debian, being as it is proprietary. You paid for it; get support from the vendor. You DID pay for it, right? |
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| 01:37.23 | NyteRukh | !partitions |
| 01:37.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, partitions is Only use multiple partitions unless you have a good reason to do so and understand the ramifications! The Sarge installer recommends only a swap partition and a root (/) partition, this is perfectly fine for just about everybody. |
| 01:37.31 | CasaNova_ | Darn I still have version 4.... Aww heck... |
| 01:37.54 | Guerin | dpkg, partitions =~ s/Only/Don't/ |
| 01:37.54 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 01:37.54 | interbird | CasaNova_: Nothing said :-) |
| 01:38.00 | Muk7059 | alright, so i have been trying to install debian for some time now, and i can't. after i do "apt-get install xdm" and then "xf86config", i try to do "startx", but i keep getting an error saying it cannot find the file/directory usr/x11r/lib/x11/ximit/xserverrc usr/bin/x11/x, does anyone know how i can get past this thing, and start linux with an actual GUI? |
| 01:38.25 | Guerin | Muk7059: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 01:38.32 | Muk7059 | i've tried apt-get x-window-system-core, but that doesn't do anything |
| 01:38.35 | Muk7059 | tried that too |
| 01:38.46 | Guerin | Muk7059: is it installed? |
| 01:38.58 | Muk7059 | i have also tried apt-get install x-window-system xdm gnome, but it says something about not finding gnome or w/e |
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| 01:39.07 | Crak_otak | Muk7059: xinit? |
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| 01:39.17 | Muk7059 | xinit |
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| 01:39.37 | Muk7059 | and then i was told to do dpkb-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but it said i don't have xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:39.45 | Muk7059 | wrd |
| 01:39.48 | vagabund | Muk7059: dont give up trying |
| 01:39.57 | Muk7059 | i have been trying for a pretty long time already :/ |
| 01:40.00 | moya | do exist any firefox extension that recognizes "closes: #<bug_id>" and make it a url to BTS ? |
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| 01:40.01 | dvs | Muk7059: You're using sarge? |
| 01:40.08 | Muk7059 | no |
| 01:40.10 | mcgrof | abrotman: yeah -- I know :) |
| 01:40.13 | interbird | Muk7059: base-config |
| 01:40.16 | Muk7059 | ? |
| 01:40.21 | Muk7059 | ok.. |
| 01:40.23 | abrotman | mcgrof: your cross-country lag is horrible :) |
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| 01:40.26 | Muk7059 | so let me run through this.. |
| 01:40.27 | chealer | hi...what's a field (for cut)? |
| 01:40.41 | mcgrof | abrotman: tell me about it |
| 01:40.45 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:40.46 | dondelelcaro | chealer: a field is something separated by a field separator; |
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| 01:40.48 | cddesjar | i have a question about gpg keys...i am trying to download some deb packages from unofficial repositories and i get an error that The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available |
| 01:40.51 | Muk7059 | first i install debian through the CD, blah blah blah.. then it restarts and i get to the login/pass with with root/rootpassword |
| 01:40.54 | cddesjar | how do i fix this? |
| 01:40.57 | dondelelcaro | chealer: so echo 1 2 3 |cut -f2 would print 2 |
| 01:40.58 | Muk7059 | and which point i do this.. |
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| 01:41.01 | Muk7059 | apt-get install xdm |
| 01:41.07 | Muk7059 | xf86config |
| 01:41.10 | Guerin | Muk7059: ok, wait. |
| 01:41.12 | cddesjar | how do i get around this |
| 01:41.14 | Guerin | !set up x |
| 01:41.14 | dpkg | i guess set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge, etch or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. in sid, choose ... |
| 01:41.18 | Guerin | Muk7059: do that |
| 01:41.25 | dondelelcaro | err... cut -c ' ' -f2 |
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| 01:41.35 | Muk7059 | what dpkg said? |
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| 01:41.48 | dondelelcaro | s/c/d/ |
| 01:42.09 | chealer | dondelelcaro, hum...I'll try that |
| 01:42.12 | interbird | mcgrof has it's irc-server at alpha-centauri and is on holliday in andromeda |
| 01:42.17 | Muk7059 | wrd....... |
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| 01:42.37 | litage_ | cddesjar: go to the website of the packages that you're downloading, download the gpg keys, and then import them into your key ring (man gpg for how to do that) |
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| 01:42.53 | cddesjar | ok |
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| 01:42.59 | Lenolium | How do I change the default locale? Someone installed what is supposed to be a en_US with an en_GB locale. |
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| 01:43.15 | dvs | Lenolium: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:43.29 | interbird | Lenolium: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:43.53 | Lenolium | dvs/interbird: Thanks. |
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| 01:44.06 | moya | do exist any firefox extension that recognizes "closes: #<bug_id>" and make it a url to BTS ? |
| 01:45.39 | cddesjar | when i use apt-key add, can i use a url? |
| 01:46.21 | chealer | dondelelcaro, $ echo 1 2 3 |cut -f2 |
| 01:46.21 | chealer | 1 2 3 |
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| 01:47.12 | dondelelcaro | chealer: cut -d ' ' -f2 |
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| 01:47.17 | dondelelcaro | chealer: man cut |
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| 01:48.24 | chealer | dondelelcaro, ah, OK...your IRC tabs didn't go through intact |
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| 01:48.57 | cddesjar | now it says no valied OpenGPG found |
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| 01:49.02 | cddesjar | i d/l the key |
| 01:49.06 | dondelelcaro | chealer: they weren't tabs, I had just forgotten that the default delimiter was a tab, not a space. |
| 01:49.11 | cddesjar | and then did "apt-key add Release.gpg" |
| 01:49.47 | chealer | dondelelcaro, ok, I'll try to understand what's -f about with your example |
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| 01:50.58 | dondelelcaro | chealer: it's simple; cut splits the input line based on the delimiter, in my example ' ', by default tab. -f selects the Nth field that the delimiter separates. |
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| 01:51.04 | SupIAmMike | after doing m-a a-i ipw2200-source i get eth2: unknown hardware address type 24 during boot and then the boot freezes |
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| 01:51.26 | chealer | dondelelcaro, thanks I understood now. hehe, I was looking for something to count the number of a specific character in a string |
| 01:52.05 | chealer | info coreutils cut was painful, I wonder if I'd survive man sed or something :) |
| 01:52.06 | dondelelcaro | chealer: echo foostring|sed s/[^o]//|wc -c |
| 01:52.24 | dondelelcaro | chealer: echo foostring|sed s/[^o]//g|wc -c; rather |
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| 01:53.05 | dondelelcaro | (although, in this case, you'll have to subtract wc -l... but you'll figure that out.) |
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| 01:53.11 | nvz | what is the proper way to untar /home/nvz/gdm-themes/*.tar.gz to /usr/share/gdm/themes/ ? I cant figure out the right way to untar things from one dir to another |
| 01:53.32 | nvz | should I cd to the destination or is there another way? |
| 01:53.50 | dondelelcaro | nvz: -C |
| 01:54.03 | cddesjar | is there a different way to add the gpg keys then just apt-key add? |
| 01:54.13 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: that's the easy way |
| 01:54.22 | nvz | dondelelcaro: ah, I stopped reading the manpage way too early :P |
| 01:54.29 | shay | nvz, |
| 01:54.31 | shay | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.31 | shay | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:54.34 | shay | (from tar(1)) |
| 01:54.47 | shay | oh too late :P |
| 01:54.47 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I was expecting it in the synopsis |
| 01:54.49 | cddesjar | what does it mean when it says no valid OpenGPG found |
| 01:54.58 | cddesjar | i mean OpenPGP |
| 01:54.59 | nvz | to be obviously there anyhow |
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| 01:55.14 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: give us the exact error message |
| 01:55.22 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, tar has too many options for it to have them all in the synopsis |
| 01:55.23 | cddesjar | gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found |
| 01:55.44 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: then you haven't run apt-key update; yet. |
| 01:55.46 | chealer | dondelelcaro, ok, maybe I'll dig |
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| 01:56.12 | cddesjar | ok i didn't have debian keyring installed |
| 01:56.24 | litage_ | cddesjar: so it works now? |
| 01:56.51 | cddesjar | not sure yet |
| 01:56.58 | cddesjar | i am d/l it and i'll let you'll konw |
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| 01:57.20 | cddesjar | nope |
| 01:57.23 | cddesjar | it doesn't work |
| 01:57.26 | ahammond | looking for pointer to openssl discussion forum |
| 01:57.47 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: oh, you mean you're just running apt-key add somefile; and it's returning that? |
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| 01:57.53 | cddesjar | yup |
| 01:57.57 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: that means that the file you're giving isn't a valid keyring |
| 01:58.13 | cddesjar | http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/dists/stable/ |
| 01:58.13 | turing | anyone here running non-GTK nessus? is it possible? |
| 01:58.14 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 01:58.21 | cddesjar | and i am d/l the Release.gpg file |
| 01:58.25 | turing | apt-get install nessus askes for an insane set of dependencies |
| 01:58.25 | cddesjar | to /home/user/ |
| 01:58.38 | cddesjar | then i am doing apt-key add Release.gpg |
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| 01:59.06 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: yes, so figure out what key is signing those packages; then gpg --recv-keys fookey; gpg --export fookey|apt-key add -; |
| 01:59.12 | CasaNova_ | interbird: I had to leave keyboard - sorry |
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| 01:59.57 | pliskin | test |
| 02:00.00 | dondelelcaro | fail |
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| 02:00.43 | Guerin | huzzah |
| 02:00.55 | Guerin | i appear to have found a mms client which isn't horribly broken! |
| 02:01.38 | pliskin | yo is it a problem to remove grub and install lilo ? |
| 02:01.49 | Guerin | no, but why would you? |
| 02:01.53 | pliskin | because i want to |
| 02:01.55 | pliskin | thanks |
| 02:02.28 | vagabund | so now the bar opened - |
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| 02:02.50 | NyteRukh | wahoo...figured out the problem |
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| 02:03.15 | NyteRukh | which leaves me another one :P |
| 02:03.21 | cddesjar | it still doesn't work |
| 02:03.28 | cddesjar | it tells me Release.gpg is not a valid key |
| 02:03.32 | Guerin | NyteRukh: there's always one more |
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| 02:03.53 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: because Release.gpg *isnt* a key. It's a signature for the releases file. |
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| 02:04.11 | cddesjar | how do i get the key then...using that url i provided? |
| 02:04.14 | NyteRukh | lol yep. my set up is this dsl modem-->router-->this comp--> the new debian comp.... |
| 02:04.33 | NyteRukh | what do i need to do to enable the second debian comp to access the net thru this one |
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| 02:04.41 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: gpg --verify-files Release.gpg Release; then just gpg --recv-keys fookey; gpg --export fookey|apt-key add -; |
| 02:04.48 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: exactly in the manner that I have shown above. |
| 02:04.58 | Guerin | NyteRukh: apt-get install ipmasq; on the one connected to the internet |
| 02:05.16 | NyteRukh | ok..that thatwill do it? |
| 02:05.39 | Guerin | NyteRukh: tell the client the server's internal ip as a gateway, and you should be golden |
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| 02:06.20 | cddesjar | it tells me can't open Release |
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| 02:06.33 | NyteRukh | yea this comps ip is the gateway right |
| 02:06.44 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: wget http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/dists/stable/Release{,.gpg}; gpg --verify Release.gpg Release; see the key? --recv-key it. |
| 02:06.50 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: then do the rest of the stuff I said. |
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| 02:07.12 | idealbsd | how can i define emacs default open dir, not current dir? |
| 02:07.14 | roler | when trying to use wireless tools, I get this message: Warning: Driver for device ath0 has been compiled with version 18 of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 17. What can I do? |
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| 02:07.35 | vagabund | we look at the big easy - |
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| 02:07.50 | dondelelcaro | idealbsd: it defaults to curdir, after that, C-c-f uses the last directory you were in |
| 02:08.29 | cafuego_ | Anyone here have apache 1.3 and mod_dav running OK? I get error 403's on PUT and am pretty sure the cfg file is correct. |
| 02:08.51 | dondelelcaro | cafuego_: I didn't realize that 1.3 and mod_dav actually worked together |
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| 02:09.01 | Xenguy | Is there a simple script in Debian (or elsewhere) that can watch my IP (non-static) and email me at a remote (static IP) location when it changes (I'd like to try this method before I investigate dyndns further) ? |
| 02:09.23 | roler | so how can I upgrade my wireless-tools package? |
| 02:09.29 | Guerin | !dyndns |
| 02:09.29 | dpkg | dyndns provides hostnames for dynamic/static ips for free: http://www.dyndns.org/ |
| 02:09.35 | idealbsd | dondelelcaro, thanks a lot :) |
| 02:09.36 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 02:09.46 | Guerin | there's a dyndns client in debian - ddclient, i think |
| 02:09.47 | cafuego_ | dondelelcaro: PROPFIND works okay, I was hoping the rest worked too. |
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| 02:09.57 | cheal | Xenguy: dyndns is pretty easy |
| 02:10.04 | cheal | yeah, ddclient |
| 02:10.09 | dondelelcaro | cafuego_: ah... |
| 02:10.18 | Guerin | !dyndns is also apt-get install ddclient |
| 02:10.19 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 02:11.07 | Xenguy | Guerin cheal So if dyndys didn't exist, would there be a simple script that could email IP changes to a given email address? :-) |
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| 02:13.12 | Guerin | Xenguy: lynx -dump http://iplookup.flashfxp.com | mailx -s "Your new ip at $(date)" xenguy@is.lazy.net |
| 02:13.23 | Elly | debian's mascot |
| 02:13.31 | Elly | should be tux firing a chaingun into the windows logo |
| 02:13.34 | Xenguy | Guerin: heh |
| 02:13.42 | Guerin | tux is not debian's mascot |
| 02:13.52 | Guerin | and debian is not opposed to windows, it's an alternative to it |
| 02:14.06 | abrotman | can i stop reading the DPL report yet? :) |
| 02:14.13 | gravity | abrotman: Sorta |
| 02:14.23 | gravity | It's hopefully been dealt with |
| 02:14.26 | abrotman | will the time stop changing though ? |
| 02:14.33 | By-Tor | I don't think any Linux distro is really out to "crush" Windows, cause it ain't gonna happen. |
| 02:14.35 | Guerin | Xenguy: untested, but should work |
| 02:14.36 | gravity | abrotman: I don't know, but planet has been fixed |
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| 02:14.41 | abrotman | it was broken ? |
| 02:14.51 | fox-boy | hello...anyone know what source gives me mjpegtools.... apt source? |
| 02:14.57 | Sarge | has anyone heard about all the bugs in microsoft vista? |
| 02:15.11 | cddesjar | i'm sorry it's still not working |
| 02:15.13 | cddesjar | i must be an idiot |
| 02:15.15 | abrotman | Sarge: wrong channel |
| 02:15.21 | Sarge | k |
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| 02:15.31 | apz | im trying to build mplayer on a up-to-date debian x86_64 unstable system and i am getting this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++ |
| 02:15.40 | gravity | abrotman: No, but it'll deal with the DPL's broken blog now I guess :-) |
| 02:15.45 | cheal | apz: ask #mplayer |
| 02:15.49 | apz | g++ shows as installed and version 4.0.1-3 in dpkg -l g++ |
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| 02:15.53 | abrotman | gravity: not if he keeps changing the time! :) |
| 02:15.58 | dondelelcaro | apz: you haven't listalled libstdc++6-dev |
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| 02:16.22 | CasaNova_ | interbird: Thanks for the tips, I was able to get VM runnign just fine (thanks to any-any updates! whoohoo) |
| 02:16.28 | apz | dondelelcaro thx |
| 02:16.31 | cddesjar | i figured it out! |
| 02:17.23 | Xenguy | Guerin: well maybe so, but then maybe I'll just write my own script too :-) I'd be very surprised if this bridge hasn't been crossed before tho -- it's just a matter of finding a suitable script. Oh well |
| 02:17.24 | By-Tor | apz: Do you want an apt source for apt-getting mplayer? |
| 02:17.31 | apz | well i have the installation almost done so i dont think i need one but thx :) |
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| 02:17.58 | Agrajag- | g'day. what might be stopping this working: "xhost +; DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 xterm" - i get "xterm Xt error: Can't open display: localhost:0.0". doing just DISPLAY=:0.0 xterm works though |
| 02:18.01 | By-Tor | apz: Okay. If you need help, hollar. |
| 02:18.08 | apz | ty |
| 02:18.10 | dondelelcaro | apz: you probably are better off using the debian packages in the long run... but it's your choice. |
| 02:18.20 | By-Tor | apz: Been using mplayer on dev for as long as I've been using Debian it seems. |
| 02:18.32 | ifup | Hello, Can someone tell me where /how I can find or build a good list for my sources.list for unstable? |
| 02:18.39 | cddesjar | argh...i am having a problem now with the last part |
| 02:18.42 | dondelelcaro | ifup: just run apt-setup; and s/stable/unstable; |
| 02:18.58 | dondelelcaro | ifup: of course, you probably shouldn't be running unstable if you need to ask how to do that... |
| 02:18.58 | cddesjar | i can't seem to run gpg --export KEY|apt-key add |
| 02:19.00 | cheal | !tell ifup about iyhtays |
| 02:19.03 | apz | By-Tor, if i apt-get mplayer will it still be able to use all the codecs without fiddling with it |
| 02:19.08 | ifup | dondelelcaro, Thanks I did not know it was so simple |
| 02:19.16 | cddesjar | it's telling me no such file or directory |
| 02:19.28 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: the - at the end wasn't superfluous |
| 02:19.36 | cddesjar | oh |
| 02:19.49 | cddesjar | that was problem it then |
| 02:19.59 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: it should be gpg --export 4b2b2b9e |apt-key add -; |
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| 02:20.45 | cddesjar | ok that worked |
| 02:20.47 | cddesjar | thanks! |
| 02:20.53 | cddesjar | i really appreciate your patience! |
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| 02:21.04 | dondelelcaro | cddesjar: you need to spend some time reading the gpg howto before you get too much farther along. |
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| 02:21.12 | NyteRukh | brb |
| 02:21.29 | By-Tor | apz: Well, all the dependencies are at the apt-source. |
| 02:21.45 | By-Tor | apz: Why don't you try it. Lemme get you the source. |
| 02:21.48 | apz | By-Tor, yea thanks |
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| 02:22.10 | apz | By-Tor, because i installed that package and im still getting /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++ |
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| 02:22.27 | cheal | abrotman: do you see a fresh DPL report somewhere? I was looking for one yesterday. |
| 02:22.46 | By-Tor | apz: Did you run "ldconfig -v" |
| 02:22.57 | apz | By-Tor, no hehe sec |
| 02:23.02 | Flimqy | I'm trying to use saned to scan remotely. 'scanimage -T -d umax:libusb:001:005' works fine, as does 'scanimage -d localhost:umax:libusb:001:005 -T' on the server. On the client, scanimage -L shows the remote scanner, and 'scanimage -T -d net:10.0.2.10:umax:libusb:001:005' acts like it's working, but freezes at 'reading one scanline, 2550 bytes...' What am I overlooking? |
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| 02:23.18 | apz | i just did and it gives the same error |
| 02:23.26 | Guerin | Flimqy: #sane |
| 02:23.35 | Elly | goody, the OO package doesn't install the help |
| 02:23.41 | Flimqy | Guerin: Thanks, but there's nobody there at the moment. |
| 02:23.46 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 02:23.47 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 02:24.07 | abrotman | cheal: uhm .. no |
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| 02:24.52 | Flimqy | Guerin: Thank you. Your opinion has been duely noted. |
| 02:25.18 | ecliptik | how do I connect a client to an XDCMP session on a server?///// |
| 02:25.24 | fevel | can someone help me configure my network, is there a gui tool that i coukd install with apt?? |
| 02:25.34 | Guerin | ecliptik: X -query servername |
| 02:25.35 | liable | hrm, well, mplayer wouldnt play a dumped stream for long, but xmms has been playing it for about 4 hours now.. |
| 02:25.39 | Guerin | Flimqy: etherconf |
| 02:25.41 | ecliptik | Guerin, thank you |
| 02:25.41 | Guerin | BAH |
| 02:25.49 | Guerin | fevel: etherconf |
| 02:25.54 | fevel | thanks |
| 02:25.57 | Guerin | Flimqy: sorry |
| 02:26.05 | cddesjar | hmm...it's not working with this other one |
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| 02:26.16 | By-Tor | apz: http://channels.debian.net/paste/788 |
| 02:26.18 | Guerin | liable: what format? |
| 02:26.29 | trollboy | what's the program that generates user passwords? |
| 02:26.34 | Guerin | trollboy: passwd |
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| 02:26.36 | cddesjar | passwd |
| 02:26.42 | ecliptik | Guerin, oh wow, that's awesome |
| 02:26.48 | cddesjar | it says file open error |
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| 02:26.58 | Guerin | ecliptik: when xdmcp works, it's a beautiful thing |
| 02:27.04 | By-Tor | apz: It cleanly installed mplayer in my custom Knoppix remaster. |
| 02:27.17 | trollboy | found it |
| 02:27.19 | trollboy | it was pwgen |
| 02:27.19 | apz | By-Tor, will that work with my system even tho it's an amd64 |
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| 02:27.31 | reticent | trollboy: makepasswd is also good |
| 02:27.31 | By-Tor | apz: That I don't know. |
| 02:27.35 | ecliptik | Guerin, yeah, especially when it's an old PII connected to a 3ghz server, :) |
| 02:27.57 | Guerin | ecliptik: i have the same dealie at home |
| 02:28.17 | Guerin | celery with 64MB ram running an x server for a p4 2.4 |
| 02:28.24 | vagabund | alcohol is a clean solution - for this damnd planet - so drink and feel fine! |
| 02:28.32 | apz | By-Tor, actually i looked on the main website for those packages and i think i found an amd 64 mirror thx for your help |
| 02:28.37 | Guerin | vagabund: so that's why you're so fucking random. |
| 02:28.43 | ecliptik | Guerin, nice, I just figured I'd give it a go instead of trying to tweak windowmaker, damn girlfriend taking the main laptop.... |
| 02:28.45 | By-Tor | apz: Good luck. |
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| 02:29.10 | jinks_ | is there an issue with stable and SATA hdd? |
| 02:29.12 | ecliptik | vagabund, I agree |
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| 02:29.18 | liable | Guerin: mp3, i could dump it, wait for a bit, then get mplayer to start playing it, but it would always error after a while with end of file, xmms keeps playing, dunno why mplayer stops.. |
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| 02:30.19 | By-Tor | liable: I've found xmms to be more tolerant of mp3s with errors. mpg123 and mplayer like to bomb when they run into bad stuff in an mp3. |
| 02:30.31 | Guerin | liable: maybe better caching or something. you can tweak the caching with mplayer easily enough |
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| 02:30.39 | jinks_ | i am having problems booting into a custom kernel in debian stable, i am using the config i found in /boot. i am using a SATA hdd, with a via chipset(sata_via and libata), when i try to boot into the new kernel i get a kernel panic |
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| 02:30.57 | liable | By-Tor: ah, that sucks cause i wanna normally do this on a headless box.. |
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| 02:31.39 | liable | Guerin: tried playing with the cache, didnt make any difference. i think maybe if the stream stops temporarily, mplayer thinks its eof. |
| 02:31.40 | By-Tor | liable: If you know what mp3 is causing the problems, use mpg123 to output it to wave, the bladeenc to re-encode it. Should kill the error. |
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| 02:32.05 | By-Tor | liable: I believe xmms allows dumping of audio to wav as well. |
| 02:32.17 | fevel | buy everyone |
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| 02:32.22 | liable | By-Tor: its just a stream from a station, ideally i would like to listen to it and dump it at the same time, but that doesnnt seem possible. |
| 02:32.23 | fevel | oops |
| 02:32.27 | fevel | i mean by |
| 02:32.46 | fevel | dont buy anyting...its debian |
| 02:32.47 | liable | By-Tor: xmms without x? |
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| 02:32.56 | By-Tor | liable: Yes, in fact |
| 02:33.05 | By-Tor | liable: There is a curses interface to xmms. |
| 02:33.19 | kelmo_lap | hi, is it possible to track the status of a package between upload and incoming? |
| 02:33.21 | ws18 | hai |
| 02:33.31 | liable | By-Tor: oh, didnt know that, been using mpg123 and cplay |
| 02:33.42 | Daveman | any idea why, in booting the 2.6 kernel after upgrading from 2.4, it hangs up on init, when loading USB... :\ |
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| 02:34.02 | cafuego_ | dondelelcaro: yay, it works :-) |
| 02:34.05 | By-Tor | liable: I don't think its apt-gettable. There is xmms-shell that "controls" an xmms remotely. |
| 02:34.24 | interalia | hi. I'm trying to deb'ify some software for local use, and using dpatch to apply some patches. however when I try to build the package, the dpatching is failing, patch saying that it can't find file to patch ... |
| 02:34.37 | interalia | seems to be skipping right past the --- and +++ lines which tell it what file to patch! |
| 02:34.46 | interalia | I'm sure I'm just making some dumb error. |
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| 02:35.32 | By-Tor | liable: http://freshmeat.net/projects/xcplay/ |
| 02:35.32 | ws18 | asl pls |
| 02:35.40 | liable | By-Tor: thanks |
| 02:36.13 | By-Tor | liable: I can't speak for its quality, but I saw it on fm once. |
| 02:36.14 | cheal | !tell kelmo_lap about new |
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| 02:36.40 | Daveman | any ideas? |
| 02:37.44 | liable | just trying cplay now on the stream to see how it behaves.. |
| 02:38.12 | Morydd | is this an appropriate place to seek help with my X config? |
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| 02:38.35 | sandman | Sometimes I think computer hardware should be torqued |
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| 02:38.52 | sandman | I mean, the screws. Like, each case should have a torque rating |
| 02:38.53 | eean | Morydd: yes |
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| 02:39.16 | Morydd | eean: Thank you. |
| 02:39.53 | Morydd | I've got a SiS card, and I've recently gotten a new monitor. Since that time, I've been having trouble with X locking up on my on a regular basis. |
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| 02:40.00 | jxpx | anyone have the package of java runtime in the her/his sources list? |
| 02:40.01 | interalia | aha, problem solved |
| 02:40.04 | interalia | wham bam thankyou maam |
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| 02:40.06 | By-Tor | sandman: Thats assuming that you use screws in your case, at least on the outside ;) |
| 02:40.32 | NyteRukh | k i installed ipmasq on this system..but still cant get the second sys to initiallize the nic card |
| 02:40.43 | jxpx | anyone have the package of java runtime in the her/his sources list? |
| 02:40.47 | Morydd | the refresh rates in XF86Config-4 seem to be correct for the new monitor. |
| 02:40.52 | abrotman | !tell jxpx about install java |
| 02:40.58 | abrotman | !tell jxpx about repeat |
| 02:41.06 | Morydd | If I start x with the second monitor disabled, it seems to start and run find? |
| 02:41.09 | jxpx | .. |
| 02:41.11 | liable | hrm cplay doesnt seem to know the file is still growing.. |
| 02:41.12 | Morydd | find = fine |
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| 02:43.00 | NyteRukh | anyone |
| 02:43.03 | kelmo_lap | thanks cheal |
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| 02:44.34 | vagabund | I hope in the future - debian fixes a kernel that stops polution - uha |
| 02:44.44 | scanwinder | im having trouble with my sound... it works when it plays the test file for sndconfig but xmms wont work with it |
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| 02:45.52 | scanwinder | dont worry, got it to work |
| 02:46.34 | NyteRukh | what shouldi set the second comps ip as |
| 02:47.18 | Jurples | hi, im having trouble with my WLAN adapter, i can ping all outside IP addresses fine, but i cannot access them in the browser (timeout) |
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| 02:47.56 | By-Tor | Try "ping yahoo.com" |
| 02:48.13 | By-Tor | Jurples: If it times out, then you have a problem with your resolver. |
| 02:48.29 | Jurples | it resolves to 216.109.112.135 and average time of 269ms |
| 02:49.10 | By-Tor | Jurples: Does your browser have any proxy settings configured? |
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| 02:49.32 | Jurples | no |
| 02:49.56 | Daveman | any idea what could be causing this kernel to hangup on usb in init? |
| 02:50.08 | jroes | I read something somewhere mentioning debian "sid", is that a nickname for another release? |
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| 02:50.14 | abrotman | !sid |
| 02:50.14 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 02:50.17 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 02:50.17 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 02:50.22 | john | jroes: yes, it's Unstable. |
| 02:50.25 | NyteRukh | this comps ip is 192.168.0.2 and im trying to get teh second comp to access teh net thru it..should i set that comps ip as 192.168.0.3 |
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| 02:50.33 | jroes | oh, I thought unstable was "etch" |
| 02:50.39 | abrotman | etch is currently testing |
| 02:50.58 | jroes | I want to try that cool wobbly windows luminocity stuff |
| 02:51.05 | Daveman | -_- |
| 02:51.06 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 02:51.06 | Morydd | I think unstable is always "sid" |
| 02:51.18 | jroes | it's stuff from cairo |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | jroes: just kick your monitor! :) |
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| 02:51.43 | jroes | it looks really cool, let me find some movies for you :) |
| 02:51.49 | Jurples | dns resolves ok, /etc/resolv.conf has the right DNS servers, it just refuses to open the page |
| 02:51.50 | NyteRukh | or to the broadcast ip |
| 02:52.12 | jroes | manos |
| 02:52.14 | jroes | ergh |
| 02:52.19 | jroes | http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots |
| 02:52.27 | By-Tor | Jurples: Do you have a way to try another browser? |
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| 02:53.38 | Jurples | im on konqueror, i suppose i could download another browser on this com and copy it to my linux box |
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| 02:54.19 | abrotman | or use wget .. or apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 02:54.25 | By-Tor | Jurples: Try firefox. |
| 02:54.35 | By-Tor | Jurples: Like abrotman said |
| 02:56.12 | Jurples | well, the internet is broken, so i have to download it here and copy |
| 02:56.29 | By-Tor | Jurples: apt-get isn't working? |
| 02:56.44 | Jurples | coudln't find package |
| 02:57.05 | By-Tor | Jurples: What version of debian are you running? |
| 02:57.20 | Jurples | woody with kernel 2.6.13.2 |
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| 02:57.59 | abrotman | Jurples: you said konqeror is broken .. which sounds about par for KDE software :) |
| 02:57.59 | Jurples | its just that it has internet problems (which im trying to resolve here) and im not using the 14(or 7?)-cd set |
| 02:58.07 | tobobo | how would a debian noob like myself find out the internal IP address of his system? |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
| 02:58.35 | By-Tor | Jurples: try just mozilla |
| 02:58.37 | Jurples | wait, actually google.com works in konqueror for some reason |
| 02:58.43 | tobobo | abrotman: thank you |
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| 02:59.04 | Jurples | searching, images, caches all work fine, but every other link doesnt |
| 02:59.26 | Jurples | ok i'll try mozilla, but im thinking i have to resolve a lot of dependencies |
| 02:59.32 | Jurples | since im downloading here and copying |
| 02:59.45 | jroes | wow |
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| 02:59.50 | abrotman | since you're what? |
| 02:59.51 | jroes | I wonder if you guys are giong to hate me for this question |
| 03:00.01 | abrotman | jroes: we already do! :) |
| 03:00.14 | jroes | there's no amd64 debian sarge? |
| 03:00.14 | Jurples | im on my windows box, and im trying to fix my linux box |
| 03:00.23 | abrotman | jroes: unofficially there is |
| 03:00.24 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 03:00.24 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 03:00.30 | jroes | ah |
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| 03:00.48 | abrotman | jroes: the RM(i guess) made a putz decision not to include it |
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| 03:01.12 | dooglus | how do I compile a package using a "-dbg" version of a shared library? |
| 03:01.14 | jroes | yeah, that's kind of crazy considering how even debian-based distributions have amd64 support :) |
| 03:01.23 | dooglus | is it a ./configure option? or what? |
| 03:01.35 | gravity | abrotman: Not the RM. The archive wasn't ready for it |
| 03:01.55 | gravity | abrotman: There simply wasn't hard drive space around for it, and the re-organization that'll make space for it is coming |
| 03:01.58 | abrotman | oh yeah .. i forgot that |
| 03:02.03 | jroes | ohh |
| 03:02.07 | abrotman | someone decided! |
| 03:02.14 | gravity | It turns out it was a lot of work to do the re-org |
| 03:02.16 | abrotman | they oculd have postponed sarge's release for .. 6 months :) |
| 03:02.19 | gravity | So it would have delayed sarge even more |
| 03:02.30 | abrotman | yay .. fix more bugs! |
| 03:02.31 | NyteRukh | think i got it |
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| 03:03.00 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:03.00 | coywolf | what tool can flash a window? |
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| 03:03.25 | abrotman | your zipper? |
| 03:03.29 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 03:04.12 | dondelelcaro | gah... the version of tar in sarge doesn't have strip components |
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| 03:04.19 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:04.27 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you should have voted to postpone sarge! :) |
| 03:04.29 | Daveman | hi dondelelcaro |
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| 03:04.56 | abrotman | then there could ahve been amd64 sarge and tar with strip components! |
| 03:04.57 | keko_silver | hello |
| 03:05.04 | dondelelcaro | ah... it was called strip-tar |
| 03:05.07 | dondelelcaro | s/tar/path/ |
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| 03:05.09 | abrotman | darn |
| 03:05.14 | keko_silver | helo abrotman u re still alive men :) |
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| 03:05.22 | dondelelcaro | gotta love changing the names of arguments for purely asthetic reasons |
| 03:05.23 | abrotman | uhm .. yes? |
| 03:05.26 | EdLin | !u |
| 03:05.26 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:05.27 | coywolf | what tool can flash a window in X? |
| 03:05.34 | abrotman | coywolf: depends on your toolkit |
| 03:05.40 | abrotman | i think |
| 03:05.46 | NyteRukh | lol |
| 03:05.51 | coywolf | abrotman, tell more |
| 03:05.52 | abrotman | EdLin: i couldn't .. there were so many errors :) |
| 03:05.56 | abrotman | coywolf: you tell me more ... |
| 03:05.58 | Daveman | dondelelcaro, but of course ;) |
| 03:06.05 | EdLin | abrotman: I missed that one. |
| 03:06.09 | mhall | How do I get vsftpd to recognize and use the SSL certificate I've generated for it. I restarted the daemon but it still won't notice the certificate, nor will it print an error or acknowledgement of its very existence! |
| 03:06.18 | coywolf | abrotman, i need to flash a window to draw the operator’s attention |
| 03:06.31 | abrotman | coywolf: depends on your toolkit .. i think |
| 03:06.39 | coywolf | abrotman, xfsdump has an option |
| 03:06.52 | abrotman | an option for what? |
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| 03:06.55 | coywolf | abrotman, Use the specified program to alert the operator when a media change is |
| 03:06.55 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.55 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.58 | abrotman | coywolf: details are yummy |
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| 03:07.16 | coywolf | abrotman, xfsdump -c progname |
| 03:07.30 | vagabund | hm - I remember edlin - |
| 03:07.30 | abrotman | coywolf: uhm .. why not just draw a new window? or some stupid silly thing like that ? |
| 03:07.32 | mhall | coywolf: xmessage might be what you need |
| 03:07.35 | abrotman | why flash a current window ? |
| 03:07.52 | coywolf | mhall, can it flash? |
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| 03:08.02 | abrotman | why does it need to flash ... it will pop up! |
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| 03:08.38 | northbayrep | hey folks. does debian come with a program that burns audio cds? |
| 03:08.39 | mhall | coywolf: i'm not sure; i believe this might depend on whether your window manager supports this |
| 03:08.46 | abrotman | northbayrep: numerous |
| 03:08.56 | mhall | northbayrep: GUI or text? |
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| 03:09.02 | northbayrep | gui |
| 03:09.04 | coywolf | abrotman, to draw the operator’s attention |
| 03:09.05 | abrotman | and if GUI .. which desktop ? |
| 03:09.07 | Kachingo | howdy |
| 03:09.10 | abrotman | coywolf: a popup won't do that ? |
| 03:09.12 | northbayrep | gnome |
| 03:09.13 | vagabund | was edlin a memory manager for DOS? |
| 03:09.17 | coywolf | mhall, the wm supports |
| 03:09.23 | abrotman | northbayrep: gnomebaker or uhm .. |
| 03:09.23 | northbayrep | what do you recommend? |
| 03:09.25 | mhall | northbayrep: I'd say K3b for KDE. I'm not sure what for GNOME. |
| 03:09.27 | EdLin | vagabund: a line editor |
| 03:09.40 | abrotman | graveman ? |
| 03:10.01 | abrotman | northbayrep: gnomebaker,graveman, or nautilus(the filemanager thingie) |
| 03:10.01 | EdLin | vagabund: sort of like ed(1) without any of it's useful features |
| 03:10.03 | mhall | coywolf: Not what I mean. I mean, the WM usually decides itself whether to let something flash or not. I'm not so sure you yourself would have control. |
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| 03:10.13 | NyteRukh | lol abrotman |
| 03:10.14 | abrotman | northbayrep: eroaster is another |
| 03:10.15 | By-Tor | northbayrep: http://www.xcdroast.org/ |
| 03:10.20 | mhall | EdLin: I used to be the god of edlin. |
| 03:10.26 | northbayrep | abr |
| 03:10.31 | abrotman | mhall: noone ever was that thing's master :) |
| 03:10.34 | northbayrep | abrotman, which do you use? |
| 03:10.38 | mhall | EdLin: But I've fallen in love with a hacked up copy of nano. |
| 03:10.43 | coywolf | mhall, xchat here flashses |
| 03:10.44 | abrotman | northbayrep: i've used eroaster and gnomebaker |
| 03:10.49 | EdLin | mhall: I prefer vi myself. |
| 03:10.52 | mhall | abrotman: I had the sonofabitch well enough memorized i could have used it in a screen reader. |
| 03:10.56 | northbayrep | abrotman, i knew that nautilus could burn data, but i didn't know about audio. |
| 03:11.02 | mhall | coywolf: Grep the source code of it for flash, then. |
| 03:11.16 | abrotman | northbayrep: i think it can .. but eroaster and gnomebaker should be able to |
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| 03:11.25 | northbayrep | i just installed gnomebaker. |
| 03:11.28 | vagabund | yo EDLIN - waaaaaaaaaaa 1000 jears aho |
| 03:11.44 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 03:12.35 | EdLin | edlin was good as a poor man's patch utility, that's about all it was good for. |
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| 03:12.59 | zinx | edlin used to be the only editor i had..... |
| 03:13.00 | vagabund | and what comes after edlin ? |
| 03:13.15 | abrotman | sed |
| 03:13.20 | vagabund | no! |
| 03:13.24 | EdLin | vagabund: notepad. (shudder) |
| 03:13.27 | abrotman | edit |
| 03:13.29 | abrotman | dos edit |
| 03:13.43 | EdLin | abrotman: yeah, the qbasic editor in DOS 5 and later |
| 03:13.45 | vagabund | yo of course EDIT |
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| 03:14.19 | abrotman | EdLin: i think before dos5 .. but i'm unsure .. been a while since i've used anything older than dos6 |
| 03:14.23 | By-Tor | zinx: edlin ownz |
| 03:14.27 | csheppard | im new to linux how do u turn off system sound |
| 03:14.33 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:14.33 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:14.40 | abrotman | which system sound ... the beep ? |
| 03:14.42 | EdLin | abrotman: no, I distinctly remember it wasn't in DOS 4.01 |
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| 03:14.45 | EvilBastard | lol |
| 03:14.54 | abrotman | EdLin: but wasn't there a dos4.2 ? |
| 03:15.00 | vagabund | hm dos 3.3 works with edlin |
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| 03:15.17 | mhall | abrotman: No you had to have DOS 5. |
| 03:15.21 | EdLin | abrotman: not that I know of, or at least in the US. (Japan had some extra DOS versions.) |
| 03:15.32 | abrotman | mhall: i had many .. i just don't remember when edit got introduced ... |
| 03:15.33 | mhall | csheppard: what kernel version do you have |
| 03:15.39 | csheppard | some told me to disable system sound because some programs i have that play sound the sound wont work |
| 03:16.07 | vagabund | po its a long time ago ;) |
| 03:16.09 | csheppard | so they said disable the system sound and it should fix the problem |
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| 03:16.26 | mhall | csheppard: what kernel version do you have |
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| 03:16.47 | karma1 | quick and stupid question: I accidently unclicked "visible" on the toolbar, how would I get it back? ( I know, this is a ridicliously dumb question :| ) |
| 03:16.47 | EdLin | mhall: I think he's talking about disabling a sound daemon. |
| 03:16.55 | NyteRukh | ok got something to figure out tomorrw after work |
| 03:17.05 | Kachingo | I'm having some trouble installing x-window-system, i went through the configuration, but when i type startx the screen goes blank, then goes back to the command line. I get an error saying fatal server error. no screens detected (or something like that) |
| 03:17.14 | csheppard | dont know think 2.6 |
| 03:17.22 | csheppard | im new to it |
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| 03:17.28 | EdLin | !drxx Kachingo |
| 03:17.29 | dpkg | Kachingo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:17.29 | Kachingo | can anyone help ^ |
| 03:17.30 | Daveman | hmm |
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| 03:17.50 | EdLin | !anyone |
| 03:17.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 03:17.52 | Daveman | hey tonsofpcs :) |
| 03:18.11 | EdLin | brr, wrong factoid |
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| 03:18.31 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:18.36 | EvilBastard | are factiods from this planet? |
| 03:18.42 | Daveman | haha, lame. |
| 03:19.00 | tonsofpcs | hi Daveman |
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| 03:19.03 | Daveman | hey :) |
| 03:19.19 | Kachingo | iv done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 heaps of times, with different settings, but I keep getting this error. (originally i was getting different errors, but i fixed them. Now Im stuck with this one, and i dont think its a problem with my configuration) |
| 03:19.20 | Daveman | anyhoo, any idea why init would hangup on loading usb, in 2.6? :| |
| 03:19.27 | csheppard | the person that told me to do that just said to and didnt say how |
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| 03:19.54 | csheppard | they said to do that then test my sound card |
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| 03:20.17 | vagabund | I dont remember any edlin commands - |
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| 03:20.27 | gravity | Kachingo: Did you check your /var/log/XFree86.0.log? |
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| 03:20.56 | nullvoid | Kachingo: maybe you can ask google |
| 03:20.58 | Kachingo | no, i havent checked it. Its just what was displayed on the screen isnt it? |
| 03:20.59 | EdLin | bbiab |
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| 03:21.41 | mhall | csheppard: alright; probably what you need is to use the alsamixer program to unmute the mixer channels and crank up the volume |
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| 03:22.43 | Kachingo | I'll go have a look at the log. Dammit, if only i didnt have 2 exit windows 2 boot linux :P |
| 03:23.15 | tonsofpcs | Kachingo - get vmware for linux and run windows on linux :-p |
| 03:23.26 | jbroome | Kachingo: i think you might have two many other problems too worry about |
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| 03:23.58 | csheppard | has anyone used nerolinux |
| 03:23.58 | czarnoff | gravity: i got my x windows working. I needed to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:24.08 | gravity | czarnoff: Glad to hear it |
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| 03:24.37 | nullvoid | Kachingo: your machine have dual screen? |
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| 03:24.50 | gravity | czarnoff: Is it all working well for you now? |
| 03:25.03 | hanasaki | debian i am using smbpasswd is saying "Failed to find entry for user hanasaki" how do i make an entry? i thoght it woudl use /etcpass |
| 03:25.22 | vagabund | there was a dos memory manager - can you remember? |
| 03:25.23 | nullvoid | hanasaki: samba 3? |
| 03:25.24 | czarnoff | gravity: yes and with fglrx. running coh right now :) |
| 03:25.29 | gravity | Ok |
| 03:25.37 | gravity | Well that's good I guess |
| 03:25.37 | hanasaki | nullvoid: how do i check |
| 03:26.03 | nullvoid | many ways, I use dpkg -l | grep samba |
| 03:26.23 | hanasaki | 3.0.14a-6 |
| 03:26.44 | vagabund | not emm |
| 03:27.12 | nullvoid | it might use tdbsam |
| 03:27.19 | hanasaki | hmmm |
| 03:27.24 | nullvoid | hanasaki: check what the backend param says |
| 03:27.48 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:28.03 | hanasaki | but.. tdbsam doesnt exist |
| 03:28.03 | nullvoid | yeap it use tdbsam |
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| 03:28.31 | nullvoid | hanasaki: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/ |
| 03:28.35 | nullvoid | heh |
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| 03:30.15 | vagabund | expandet and extendet memory po - |
| 03:30.30 | nullvoid | hanasaki: http://www.mrp3.com/windows-to-unix-samba.html |
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| 03:30.55 | Kachingo | hello |
| 03:30.59 | nullvoid | yo |
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| 03:31.07 | nullvoid | Kachingo: anyluck? |
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| 03:31.23 | Kachingo | im too retarded. How do you view the log exactly |
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| 03:31.35 | Kachingo | ? |
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| 03:31.57 | nullvoid | tail /var/log/<log file> |
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| 03:32.06 | Kachingo | what does tail do? |
| 03:32.14 | hanasaki | nullvoid: hmm i am still lost |
| 03:32.16 | dumezil | watches the end of a file |
| 03:32.17 | hanasaki | what is tdsam? |
| 03:32.17 | nullvoid | show last few lines |
| 03:32.34 | Kachingo | dammit, i need to print a list of commands :P |
| 03:32.37 | nullvoid | hanasaki: is a form of database |
| 03:32.45 | dumezil | tail -f shows stuff that is added while you are watching. just tail shows the last 10 lines of a file |
| 03:32.45 | vagabund | Edlin: thanks |
| 03:33.03 | dumezil | Kachingo: list of commands for what? |
| 03:33.08 | vagabund | you reminded me |
| 03:33.15 | Kachingo | for everythign |
| 03:33.28 | dumezil | good luck |
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| 03:33.33 | Kachingo | haha |
| 03:33.36 | dumezil | ls /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin |
| 03:33.37 | nullvoid | Kachingo: apropos may help you then |
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| 03:33.49 | Kachingo | whats that? |
| 03:34.08 | nullvoid | just type apropos windows |
| 03:34.12 | nullvoid | and see what you get |
| 03:34.28 | dumezil | what are your load averages? |
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| 03:35.19 | Kachingo | If only i had a second computer. I'll be back. Bye. |
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| 03:35.41 | vagabund | edit config.sys u autoexec.bat hrhrhr |
| 03:36.01 | Guerin | vagabund: please to not be such a fucktard |
| 03:36.28 | nullvoid | heh |
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| 03:36.33 | EvilBastard | My wife calls me a fucktard |
| 03:36.42 | vagabund | Guerin: thats history - so shut up! |
| 03:36.46 | nullvoid | what's Fucktard? |
| 03:36.51 | ke6isf | EvilBastard: So don't do that then. |
| 03:36.57 | gravity | EvilBastard: You have a very special wife. |
| 03:36.59 | EvilBastard | fuckin retard I do believe |
| 03:37.07 | nullvoid | heh |
| 03:37.14 | hanasaki | nullvoid: hmm still no go.. any specific help you can give |
| 03:37.32 | nullvoid | just gave you the second url |
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| 03:37.49 | hanasaki | read it |
| 03:37.56 | nullvoid | hanasaki: you run samba for? |
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| 03:38.10 | hanasaki | to share to windows |
| 03:38.20 | hanasaki | also need to moutn a win box on my linux |
| 03:38.20 | Xenguy | .oO(I thought all wives were like that :p ) |
| 03:38.37 | dumezil | whats a good audio player? (don't hate me) but like iTunes for example |
| 03:38.40 | nullvoid | hanasaki: do you want to run pdc? |
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| 03:39.02 | zinx | dumezil: where's the debian package for that? |
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| 03:39.10 | dumezil | lol |
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| 03:39.35 | hanasaki | pdc? |
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| 03:39.47 | nullvoid | primary domain controler |
| 03:40.06 | hanasaki | hmm dont know.. |
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| 03:40.11 | hanasaki | i am not good w/ that stuff yet |
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| 03:40.24 | nullvoid | hanasaki: for security reason, you may want to have samba running as pdc as well, so that you can have better security control on sharing |
| 03:40.32 | hanasaki | k |
| 03:40.35 | hanasaki | what setting is that |
| 03:40.37 | hanasaki | dam.. BRB |
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| 03:40.45 | nullvoid | hanasaki: just asking are you from japan ? |
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| 03:40.51 | hanasaki | nope..... |
| 03:40.53 | hanasaki | Kansas |
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| 03:41.02 | nullvoid | you nick is like japanise |
| 03:41.14 | nullvoid | sorry heh |
| 03:41.19 | Guerin | nullvoid: you brain is like stupid |
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| 03:41.26 | Guerin | sorry |
| 03:41.28 | Guerin | stuped |
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| 03:41.34 | EvilBastard | from KansASS? |
| 03:41.34 | jbroome | Guerin: nice. :) |
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| 03:41.46 | Gandalf_the_grey | Evilbastard |
| 03:41.50 | Gandalf_the_grey | Your an evilbastard |
| 03:41.56 | zinx | You're |
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| 03:41.58 | EvilBastard | why thankyou |
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| 03:42.54 | SerajewelKS | what does it mean when a quick packet sniff of an IRC session yields about 1 TCP retransmit request for every 2 sucessfully delivered packets, sprinkled with a nice helping of duplicate ACKs? |
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| 03:43.36 | nullvoid | Guerin: what I did wrong? |
| 03:43.44 | Gandalf_the_grey | mainly "It means nobody likes you" |
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| 03:44.48 | Jurples | hi, im having trouble with my WLAN adapter, i can ping all outside IP addresses fine, but i cannot access them in the browser (timeout) |
| 03:45.02 | EvilBastard | If nobody liked me Id eat worms |
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| 03:45.22 | ke6isf | EvilBastard: Well, we like you. We have no taste, but we like you. =^_^= |
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| 03:45.41 | EvilBastard | I feel all warm and fuzzy now thx |
| 03:46.10 | EvilBastard | and the space bar on this keyboard is worn out |
| 03:46.25 | hanasaki | i am bck |
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| 03:46.45 | nvz | CuelbEat2.Tatghe |
| 03:47.14 | nullvoid | Jurples: do you have firewall or what so ever in between/. |
| 03:47.51 | Jurples | im using a router |
| 03:48.20 | hanasaki | nullvoid: hmm dam.. cant get the home directories open |
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| 03:48.24 | nullvoid | can you access the page if you use cable? |
| 03:48.55 | nullvoid | hanasaki: check the permission, both the smb.conf param and the physical folder |
| 03:49.01 | nvz | I guess you can imagine that was a focus accident and my password on this machine expired about 2 minutes ago :) |
| 03:49.04 | hanasaki | hmm |
| 03:49.05 | hanasaki | brb |
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| 03:49.25 | nvz | thats pretty cool ssh logged me out too when that happend :) |
| 03:49.32 | jinks_ | whats the correct way to creat an initrd image |
| 03:49.33 | EvilBastard | lol hanasaki has to rebbot everytime he gets new info |
| 03:49.36 | jinks_ | for a custom kernel |
| 03:49.39 | EvilBastard | reboot |
| 03:49.39 | nvz | I didnt even know it was setup to do that |
| 03:49.41 | Guerin | nullvoid: no, that was me |
| 03:49.42 | nullvoid | nvz: is't? |
| 03:49.44 | Guerin | nvz: |
| 03:49.45 | hanasaki | EvilBastard: i am running lin not win heeh |
| 03:50.03 | hanasaki | nullvoid: there is no "folder" since it should mount the home dir as the user I am .. irght? |
| 03:50.39 | nvz | nullvoid: what? |
| 03:50.44 | nullvoid | hanasaki: you need to spesify |
| 03:50.53 | EvilBastard | mabey something went over my head |
| 03:51.02 | nullvoid | nvz: I mean when your passwd changed, it logs you out |
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| 03:51.16 | nvz | nullvoid: yeah I noticed that |
| 03:51.23 | hanasaki | The file or folder smb://fred/homes does not exist. <= yet is shown in the konqueror |
| 03:51.23 | Kachingo | Hello again. |
| 03:51.28 | Daveman | hi nvz |
| 03:51.39 | nullvoid | nvz: well mine don't - hmmm |
| 03:51.43 | nvz | nullvoid: typing my user password in cleartext just caused it to expire :P |
| 03:51.56 | nullvoid | oic |
| 03:51.59 | Kachingo | yay, i got it working. Turns out i had told it that the video card has 256kb of ram |
| 03:52.11 | nvz | I wasnt paying attention when I accidentally typed it in here because of a focus problem |
| 03:52.16 | jinks_ | WOOT |
| 03:52.32 | hanasaki | nullvoid: how do i make a new user that smb knows about |
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| 03:52.38 | nvz | got idiots trying to use it now |
| 03:52.40 | nullvoid | Kachingo: you mean the auto detection doesn't get your RAM size? |
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| 03:52.54 | nvz | its been changed thank you very much ;) |
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| 03:53.01 | EvilBastard | I shall return try not to miss me too much |
| 03:53.01 | nullvoid | hanasaki: http://www.mrp3.com/windows-to-unix-samba.html |
| 03:53.19 | Kachingo | i over wrote it, thinking that it wasn't detecting it, because of the errors I was getting. |
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| 03:53.27 | Daveman | so anyone have a clue about this silly kernel problem :\ |
| 03:53.28 | nullvoid | hanasaki: check the script |
| 03:53.45 | nullvoid | hanasaki: you can use domain manager to create user for samba |
| 03:53.53 | vagabund | think about dos ... |
| 03:53.54 | nullvoid | ops if you run pdc heh |
| 03:54.22 | hanasaki | i have no program in the path that is called domainmanager |
| 03:54.35 | nullvoid | it's windows app |
| 03:54.37 | nullvoid | heh |
| 03:54.41 | nullvoid | never mind |
| 03:54.42 | hanasaki | oh |
| 03:54.47 | hanasaki | i need to do this all from linux |
| 03:54.52 | nullvoid | just use the script in the url I gave |
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| 03:55.25 | Kachingo | what desktop environment would you recommend? |
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| 03:55.37 | hanasaki | nullvoid: umm it dont work out of the obx? |
| 03:55.38 | hanasaki | box |
| 03:55.46 | hanasaki | woody was fine! |
| 03:55.49 | hanasaki | now ewww |
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| 03:56.24 | vagabund | emm386 |
| 03:57.09 | Kachingo | kde? gnome? |
| 03:57.15 | nullvoid | hanasaki: there are some changes from samba 2.x to 3.x |
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| 03:57.41 | nullvoid | !tell Kachingo about poll |
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| 03:57.47 | Varanger | hello! |
| 03:57.54 | hanasaki | nullvoid: ya :( and htose scripts use pw wich is bsd only |
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| 03:58.06 | nullvoid | is't heh |
| 03:58.06 | Varanger | I want to watch DVD's and divX files on Debian... how can I do? |
| 03:58.08 | nullvoid | sec |
| 03:58.22 | cafuego_ | !w32codecs |
| 03:58.23 | dpkg | [w32codecs] a package not in Debian (or non-free or contrib) due to legal issues that provides numerous multimedia codecs normally found on win32 systems for popular but usually proprietary formats. ask me about <marillat> to get it anyway |
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| 03:58.37 | Varanger | !marillat |
| 03:58.37 | dpkg | i heard marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 03:58.40 | nullvoid | hanasaki: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6684 |
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| 03:59.11 | Varanger | I hope someday there will be somethin like LSB for Debian packages |
| 03:59.16 | nullvoid | hanasaki: use google - like I always do |
| 03:59.28 | dondelelcaro | Varanger: in what way? Debian complies with most of the LSB already |
| 03:59.31 | nullvoid | Varanger: what is LSB? |
| 03:59.33 | hanasaki | nullvoid: i did |
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| 03:59.40 | Varanger | Imagine having only a .deb file that can be installed in every Debian-based distro |
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| 03:59.49 | hanasaki | umm the pages you gave me were 1. for bsd 2. nothing about the making a user |
| 04:00.00 | user12 | hello |
| 04:00.05 | hanasaki | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/smb.conf.5.html |
| 04:00.09 | Kachingo | hah. Sorry, no polls eh? |
| 04:00.30 | dondelelcaro | Varanger: that's just wasted energy for the most part, since Debian based distros are constantly changing things, often in useless ways |
| 04:00.30 | Varanger | nullvoid: LSB is an acronym for : Linux Standard Base |
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| 04:00.44 | nullvoid | oic |
| 04:00.48 | vagabund | hm win3.0 14 disketten - think |
| 04:00.53 | ke6isf | !tell nullvoid -about lsb |
| 04:01.25 | nullvoid | Varanger: so debian don't have it? |
| 04:01.51 | Varanger | dondelelcaro: I have used Debian since potato, but I bought a new PC in March. This pc has so updated hw that I couldn't use it on Debian so I moved to Ubuntu. |
| 04:02.19 | Varanger | However, Ubuntu has issues with my distro |
| 04:02.19 | dumezil | so updated that you can't use debian? such as what? |
| 04:02.40 | Varanger | s/distro/sound card |
| 04:02.45 | nullvoid | Varanger: so you have latest hardware that debian don't recognize? |
| 04:03.00 | Varanger | Last week, I installed Debian and saw that direct rendering was working, my soundcard too |
| 04:03.04 | vagabund | or 7 disks - think |
| 04:03.17 | Varanger | nullvoid: Debian used to have old Xfree 4.3.0 |
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| 04:03.28 | Varanger | no Debian uses xorg 6.8.2 |
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| 04:03.33 | Varanger | lastest alsa |
| 04:03.37 | nullvoid | Varanger: did you tried sid? |
| 04:03.41 | Varanger | and kernel 2.6.12 |
| 04:03.47 | Kachingo | bye |
| 04:03.50 | Varanger | nullvoid: I tried sid but no good |
| 04:03.52 | nullvoid | bye |
| 04:04.01 | debian_newbie88 | hello all. |
| 04:04.06 | nullvoid | Varanger: I run sid in production servers ;) |
| 04:04.20 | Varanger | now, Debian rocks... gcc 4.0.0, xorg 6.8.2 , kernel 2.6.12, alsa 1.0.9b |
| 04:04.27 | nullvoid | Varanger: I can say it's good |
| 04:04.37 | dondelelcaro | Varanger: Debian has little to do with the hardware; that's a function of the kernel that you're running. |
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| 04:05.16 | dondelelcaro | Varanger: since unstable has 2.6.12 and you can easily run the development kernels, I really don't understand why you couldn't just run Debian. |
| 04:05.18 | Varanger | dondelelcaro: direct rendering support was supported in March's sarge (testing) kernel |
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| 04:05.34 | debian_newbie88 | How to check my system IMAP server? |
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| 04:05.46 | Varanger | however, my problem was with xFree 4.3.0 |
| 04:06.02 | Varanger | that came with sid |
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| 04:06.13 | Varanger | now my PC rocks again with Debian |
| 04:06.14 | nullvoid | hanasaki: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/Samba3-ByExample.pdf |
| 04:06.53 | dondelelcaro | Varanger: yes, but sid has x.org now anyway. |
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| 04:07.12 | dondelelcaro | (and it's not like you couldn't get the unofficial x.org packages before then if you had one of the few cards that wasn't supported) |
| 04:07.12 | ke6isf | debian_newbie88: Check for what? |
| 04:07.17 | gravity | So does etch |
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| 04:07.39 | debian_newbie88 | I check for config squirrelmail. |
| 04:07.59 | predius_ | can anyone help me setting up a dual head on xorg? |
| 04:08.02 | ke6isf | debian_newbie88: I'm not sure I understand. What exactly are you checking for, to see if imapd is running? |
| 04:08.06 | Varanger | dondelelcaro:that's why I returned to Debian ;) |
| 04:08.09 | Varanger | !mplayer |
| 04:08.09 | dpkg | from memory, mplayer is not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 04:08.51 | Varanger | !tell Varanger -about mplayer faq |
| 04:08.55 | SupIAmMike | i have the ipw2200 - when the firmware is in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware my computer freezes at boot |
| 04:08.59 | ke6isf | !tell Varanger -about ask the bot |
| 04:09.05 | SupIAmMike | any ideas? |
| 04:09.12 | debian_newbie88 | I use #ps ax | grep imapd. Not see process. |
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| 04:09.24 | nullvoid | ok guys |
| 04:09.28 | ke6isf | debian_newbie88: Try 'nmap localhost' instead. |
| 04:09.29 | nullvoid | got work to do |
| 04:09.30 | nullvoid | bye |
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| 04:09.42 | stew | SupIAmMike: are you sure you used the correct firmware version for the version of the driver you installed? |
| 04:09.48 | Gandalf_the_grey | K-lined? |
| 04:09.53 | Gandalf_the_grey | What happened to glines? |
| 04:09.55 | ke6isf | debian_newbie88: It could also be an xinetd process. |
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| 04:10.33 | stew | debian_newbie88: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 04:10.42 | SupIAmMike | stew - positive |
| 04:11.37 | SupIAmMike | version 2.2 because ipw2200-source that comes with debian stable is 1.0.3 |
| 04:12.11 | debian_newbie88 | Not IMAP and What is better package IMAP for use with squirrelmail? |
| 04:12.45 | yoo | courier-imap |
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| 04:13.05 | debian_newbie88 | ok thanks, |
| 04:13.21 | SupIAmMike | how do i check the version of "hotplug" |
| 04:13.38 | SupIAmMike | or any installed .deb file for that matter |
| 04:13.43 | inkypinky | I just patch my 2.6.13.1 source tree with fbsplash patch but I cant see anywhere where to select the option to enable it during the config phase |
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| 04:13.58 | donw_ | Is there any decent way to get up usb-storage so that different devices map to a specific /dev/sdXX device? So that my USB key maps to /dev/sda, the iPod /dev/sdb, my Weapons of Mass Destrution /dev/sdc, etc...? |
| 04:14.22 | ke6isf | yoo: That might be better, but it's going to be complex for a newbie, methinks. |
| 04:14.27 | dumezil | upgrade to 2.6 and use udev and hotplug |
| 04:14.40 | Varanger | dondelelcaro: why does dpkg advise me to install mplayer-386 and not mplayer-586 ?? |
| 04:15.05 | dumezil | cause thats the kernel you have installed |
| 04:15.12 | donw_ | dumezil: Is that for me? |
| 04:15.14 | dumezil | a 386 kernel, not a 586 kernel |
| 04:15.21 | dumezil | donw_: yeah |
| 04:15.25 | stew | donw_: that is one of the problems that udev attempts to solve |
| 04:15.38 | vagabund | dpkg advice you that not - |
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| 04:15.51 | dumezil | donw_: i don't know exactly how to do it, but that'll get you on the right track |
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| 04:16.13 | mankeletor | hi all |
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| 04:16.31 | donw_ | dumezil: I've been a sysadmin for like six years. If I can't get it working on my own, I'm a bloody idiot. *grin* |
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| 04:17.34 | debian_newbie88 | when I try #apt-get install courier-imap I see error : Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main courier-base 0.47-4sarge2 |
| 04:17.34 | debian_newbie88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.34 | vagabund | Varanger: it maybee that YOU advice dpkg to do thomething .... |
| 04:17.49 | dumezil | donw_: i feel you there |
| 04:18.10 | ke6isf | Unbelievable, there's intercal for Debian. Who in their right mind.... |
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| 04:18.20 | stew | donw_: install udev and read /usr/share/doc/udev/* you can create rules in /etc/udev/rules.d that matches the dmesg string when you attach the devce to create specific /dev/ entries |
| 04:18.24 | mankeletor | i had installed debian sarge with netinstall, so base is installed... now what must do i do for install rest of sarge? |
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| 04:18.49 | ke6isf | mankeletor: 'base-install' if memory serves. What exactly is happening right now? |
| 04:18.55 | dumezil | debian_newbie88: apt-get update |
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| 04:19.02 | dumezil | then apt-get install courier-imap |
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| 04:19.35 | maher | ke6isf: is it as good as whitespace? |
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| 04:19.50 | ke6isf | maher: What, intercal? Dunno, I dare not touch it. |
| 04:19.56 | debian_newbie88 | update for ? |
| 04:20.16 | buu | MALBOLGE to the rescue! |
| 04:20.18 | debian_newbie88 | ok It's working. |
| 04:20.25 | cafuego_ | Varanger: intercal is satan |
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| 04:21.37 | ke6isf | buu: MALBOLGE? |
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| 04:22.10 | dumezil | what is intercal? |
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| 04:22.18 | ke6isf | dumezil: You had to ask. |
| 04:22.19 | ke6isf | !intercal |
| 04:22.20 | dpkg | [intercal] the Compiler Language With No Pronounceable Acronym or available in Debian or your worst nightmare, or <http://www.catb.org/~esr/intercal/>, or http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~usac/jintercal.html |
| 04:22.31 | buu | !malbolge |
| 04:22.33 | buu | Damn. |
| 04:22.42 | mankeletor | ke6isf, i wanna install another distro's packages |
| 04:22.54 | vladuz976 | can anybody tell me how i can use gdb to run Xnest? i wanna try to figure out what crashes my other wm? |
| 04:23.07 | ke6isf | mankeletor: What, you mean like an RPM? alien does that, but, well, why?! |
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| 04:23.26 | buu | ke6isf: Malbolbe is a programming language. It's basically impossible to actually use it. To get a "hello world" type program, someone had to write a random program generator and run it for 12 hours. |
| 04:23.43 | vagabund | ah intercal and tabcompletition - |
| 04:23.45 | ke6isf | buu: It sounds like the outdoing of even intercal. |
| 04:23.59 | buu | Oh it's way beyond intercal. |
| 04:24.21 | donw_ | buu: So it's like Ada, then, only easier to use and faster? |
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| 04:24.46 | ke6isf | donw_: I bet it doesn't even require a committee, like Ada does. =^_^= |
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| 04:25.18 | inkypinky | what qt4 dev packages does xconfig need? I always use menuconfig but its been some time since I used xconfig |
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| 04:25.47 | vagabund | buu: just cry |
| 04:25.50 | mankeletor | ke6isf, my sarge was rencently installed |
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| 04:26.16 | donw_ | ke6isf: Programing without a committee? Why, that's...that's...communism! |
| 04:26.38 | mankeletor | ke6isf, i want to install kde, xfce, alsa, apache... |
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| 04:27.02 | vagabund | hihi - |
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| 04:27.16 | ke6isf | mankeletor: OK, that's fine. Now then, you've finished iwth the base syste - has aptitude been run? Have you gone through base-config? What's happened since you rebooted after the netinst disk told you to reboot? |
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| 04:27.31 | vagabund | i think I have now 2.3 promille - |
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| 04:28.25 | mankeletor | ke6isf, kk i must reboot |
| 04:28.47 | ke6isf | Oy... =O.o= |
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| 04:28.59 | inkypinky | what qt dev packages does the kernel make xconfig need? |
| 04:29.00 | pablo_ | hola buenos dias |
| 04:29.10 | ke6isf | !es |
| 04:29.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 04:30.57 | vagabund | is here a live supporter - well hes missing - |
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| 04:31.31 | dondelelcaro | ? |
| 04:31.55 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you know if its ok to make the apple touch pad middle/right click with 2/3 fingers? |
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| 04:32.15 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I've no idea; mine isn't smart enough to do that |
| 04:32.29 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh... i thought its just software (= |
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| 04:33.44 | vagabund | hm a touch pad is often ""hardware" |
| 04:33.57 | darkcmd | I know BASIC is crap, but what was the best pure oldschool BASIC program you could get? |
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| 04:34.13 | dondelelcaro | basic isn't all that oldschool |
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| 04:34.53 | Jurples | hi, im having trouble with my WLAN adapter, i can ping all outside IP addresses fine, but i cannot access them in the browser (timeout) |
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| 04:35.09 | zinx | darkcmd: there are BASIC interpreters in debian, you know |
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| 04:35.45 | darkcmd | dondelelcaro, we are doing stuff with GWBASIC in school and I'd like to get something close to that in debian |
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| 04:36.01 | zinx | darkcmd: the basic interpreters will probably handle everything GWBASIC can |
| 04:36.30 | vagabund | darkcmd: go to school! |
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| 04:36.37 | stew | darkcmd: 10 dim x=rnd : dim y=rnd : poke x,y : goto 10 : REM or something like that, is the best BASIC program |
| 04:36.49 | darkcmd | hehe |
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| 04:37.01 | darkcmd | so will the basic interpreters in debian do the graphics side of things |
| 04:37.07 | rking | stew: what's "poke"? |
| 04:37.22 | zinx | darkcmd: Why don't you try them? |
| 04:37.27 | stew | rking: put y at memory location x, or vice versa |
| 04:37.32 | Skywind | hi, all |
| 04:37.32 | zinx | rking: writes directly to memory |
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| 04:38.02 | SupIAmMike | to go from stable to testing i just change "stable" to "testing" in my apt-get sources.list file? |
| 04:38.05 | darkcmd | ok |
| 04:38.09 | Skywind | anyone know How to check the video card RAM size under Linux? |
| 04:38.21 | darkcmd | SupIAmMike, why are you switching to testing? |
| 04:38.38 | SupIAmMike | because no one in this channel can get my ipw2200 to install and not freeze my boot |
| 04:38.49 | SupIAmMike | and no one on google seems to have this problem |
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| 04:38.55 | SupIAmMike | not sure whats up |
| 04:39.00 | cafuego_ | Skywind; Any reason you can't just ignore that input file, like the previous config page said? |
| 04:39.05 | huhlig | anyone know why sound wouldnt work till I run alsaconf, then it works till reboot |
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| 04:39.36 | huhlig | cant even find a mixer |
| 04:39.38 | darkcmd | I wonder if one could write a BBS in BASIC |
| 04:39.40 | SupIAmMike | darkcmd - please answer my question i answered yours |
| 04:39.53 | zinx | SupIAmMike: that's a kernel issue, not a debian issue |
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| 04:39.57 | co-cool | 17 kak |
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| 04:40.09 | darkcmd | SupIAmMike, maybe the modules for that device aren't included in the debian kernel? |
| 04:40.33 | SupIAmMike | darkcmd type /msg dkpg !ipw2200 |
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| 04:41.11 | darkcmd | what is m-a prepare |
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| 04:41.15 | SupIAmMike | zinx - if debians current kernel doesnt work with my hardware i would say that is a debian problem |
| 04:41.23 | SupIAmMike | module-assistant |
| 04:41.37 | Skywind | cafuego, I am writting a tool that need determine video ram size :) |
| 04:41.50 | SupIAmMike | prepare grabs the kernel headers |
| 04:42.08 | SupIAmMike | its quite a cute command |
| 04:42.15 | huhlig | SupIAmMike, you could just *gasp* compile it yourself |
| 04:42.44 | Jurples | hi, im having trouble with my WLAN adapter, i can ping all outside IP addresses fine, but i cannot access them in the browser (timeout) |
| 04:42.50 | SupIAmMike | huhlig - I will never compile a kernel - if a distro cant work without having to recompile the kernel there is a problem |
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| 04:43.23 | huhlig | SupIAmMike, and why would you want 50 billion things your system will never have compiled in? |
| 04:44.09 | dumezil | thats what modules are for! |
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| 04:44.23 | huhlig | SupIAmMike, what driver are you looking for? |
| 04:44.31 | SupIAmMike | looking for? |
| 04:44.32 | HankH | anyone in here tried xorg in testing yet? |
| 04:44.51 | SupIAmMike | my wireless ipw2200 driver wont work on the stable debian |
| 04:44.55 | huhlig | HankH, yea works well |
| 04:45.11 | HankH | I just installed xserver-xorg |
| 04:45.21 | HankH | and it's complaining about missing font directories |
| 04:45.28 | HankH | any ideas? |
| 04:45.33 | vagabund | no |
| 04:45.36 | darkcmd | I usually do this setup with my installs, install Stable, and Update to the next Stable when it releases |
| 04:45.43 | darkcmd | it has always worked great for me |
| 04:45.53 | darkcmd | I haven't had to reinstall a box for about 6 years now |
| 04:45.54 | huhlig | SupIAmMike, have you installed rfswitch software |
| 04:45.56 | darkcmd | it's great :D |
| 04:46.07 | HankH | I usually do stable too, bt for the moment I need gcc 4.0 and 2.6.12 kernel |
| 04:46.14 | SupIAmMike | huhlig - what is rfswitch? |
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| 04:46.37 | huhlig | google is your friend |
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| 04:46.40 | huhlig | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=364134 |
| 04:46.41 | darkcmd | HankH, why do you need gcc 4.0? |
| 04:46.52 | HankH | for mythtv |
| 04:47.02 | SupIAmMike | huhlig - you dont ask someone if they use something then tell them to use google |
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| 04:47.08 | SupIAmMike | its not like i didnt do my research |
| 04:47.08 | darkcmd | mythtv requires a specific gcc? |
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| 04:47.21 | HankH | yes |
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| 04:47.47 | huhlig | SupIAmMike, so you looked that article over already? |
| 04:47.57 | SupIAmMike | what article? |
| 04:48.19 | darkcmd | hmm |
| 04:48.23 | huhlig | the article at the address I just posted |
| 04:48.24 | darkcmd | HankH, thats crap :( |
| 04:48.35 | HankH | I don't really NEED xorg, I just thought I'd try it |
| 04:48.36 | huhlig | also, what kernel are you running |
| 04:48.39 | dumezil | im freaking my gf out... haha its hilarious |
| 04:48.58 | SupIAmMike | that article is not applicable |
| 04:49.04 | dumezil | whats the advantage of xorg? |
| 04:49.04 | SupIAmMike | because he is using firmware 2.3 |
| 04:49.05 | HankH | <---2.6.12-k7 now... |
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| 04:49.07 | SupIAmMike | and i am using firmware 2.2 |
| 04:49.09 | tony_wt | Jurples: are there dns servers listed i /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 04:49.10 | huhlig | if its 2.6.9 then it has a known bug acording to the people who write ipw2200 |
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| 04:49.22 | Jurples | yes |
| 04:49.23 | huhlig | SupIAmMike, what is the exact problem |
| 04:49.27 | Jurples | the dns is ok |
| 04:49.27 | HankH | I don;t know what the advantage of xorg is I just wanted to try it |
| 04:49.28 | huhlig | I came in just after you mentioned it |
| 04:49.28 | SupIAmMike | because i am using debian stable (driver 1.0.3) and he is using testing (1.0.6) |
| 04:49.33 | dumezil | Jurples: you can ping www.google.com? |
| 04:49.36 | Jurples | yes |
| 04:49.42 | huhlig | SupIAmMike, that doesent mean its not applicable |
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| 04:50.03 | dumezil | Jurples: does your web browser have any proxies configured or anything? |
| 04:50.16 | nvz | dpkg, sns syndrome |
| 04:50.16 | dpkg | i guess sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 04:50.30 | SupIAmMike | huhlig - my kernel is 2.6.8-2 |
| 04:50.31 | Jurples | no proxies |
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| 04:50.37 | SupIAmMike | not 2.6.9 |
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| 04:50.45 | HankH | OMG the default x-window-system in testing is xorg now |
| 04:50.46 | Jurples | apt-get update doesn't work either, its stuck at 0% |
| 04:50.47 | dumezil | Jurples: can you ftp to say ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 04:50.49 | HankH | I didn;t even realize that |
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| 04:51.22 | huhlig | SupIAmMike, ok, what is the symptom and any error messages you receive |
| 04:51.23 | dumezil | Jurples: is there anything odd or non standard to your networking setup? |
| 04:51.26 | darkcmd | hmm |
| 04:51.28 | HankH | well that worked :) |
| 04:51.33 | Jurples | as a matter of fact, i can access the ftp |
| 04:51.33 | darkcmd | I wonder if xorg is going to be backported to sarge |
| 04:51.38 | darkcmd | and actually work |
| 04:51.49 | HankH | I was trying to figure out how to install xorg without using x-window-system |
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| 04:51.51 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: it already has been backported |
| 04:51.54 | huhlig | darkcmd I think someone packaged it for sarge |
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| 04:51.58 | darkcmd | cool |
| 04:52.05 | dondelelcaro | HankH: install the packages that you need then; x-window-system is just a meta package. |
| 04:52.06 | darkcmd | you guys wouldn't recommend using it would you |
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| 04:52.20 | HankH | yeah I know |
| 04:52.22 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: if you don't have a compelling reason to, there's really no point yet. |
| 04:52.25 | huhlig | darkcmd, Ive had no problems yet |
| 04:52.27 | SupIAmMike | huhlig - well after i installed it and restarted my computer it would freeze at MTA (one time i configured MTA to not stop and it froze at the thing before MTA) so its not MTA - its the thing after it what i dont know |
| 04:52.30 | Jurples | •dumezil• i dont think so, im using a normal WLAN in mode managed with WEP |
| 04:52.45 | HankH | I just figured any x stuff without xorg in the name was gonna be fore xfree86 |
| 04:52.48 | Jurples | •REds• the ftp, i can access, when i download it says Login OK but is stuck at 0% |
| 04:52.55 | SupIAmMike | huhlig - so then i noticed that if i add the firmware to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware it doesnt boot and then when i remove it it does |
| 04:52.57 | Jurples | *regarding |
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| 04:53.09 | dondelelcaro | Jurples: can you plesae fix your client not to send ^U when it nick completes? |
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| 04:53.15 | SupIAmMike | but then i tried to use /lib/firmware since thats another firmware directory still no dice |
| 04:53.17 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever the hell that is) |
| 04:53.29 | Jurples | kk |
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| 04:53.41 | darkcmd | I think I'm going to run my own BBS |
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| 04:54.04 | dumezil | Jurples: does it work if you plug it into an ethernet port? im willing to bet its a problem with wireless and i don't know much about linux wireless... |
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| 04:54.11 | darkcmd | Jurples, you using I-N-V-I-S-I-O-N? |
| 04:54.18 | Jurples | yes |
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| 04:54.31 | nephlim | this is a bit off topic, but, does anyone know where i can find fonts for physics |
| 04:54.35 | darkcmd | :( |
| 04:54.41 | nephlim | i figured at least one of you would know |
| 04:54.53 | huhlig | have you tried asking in #ipw2100? |
| 04:55.07 | huhlig | and have you downloaded a new firmware |
| 04:55.15 | nephlim | no, what channel? |
| 04:55.22 | nephlim | is that* |
| 04:55.29 | dumezil | nephlim: not for you |
| 04:55.33 | Jurples | i have no ethernet port |
| 04:55.41 | nephlim | oh, sorry |
| 04:55.51 | huhlig | nephlim, sorry, should be more clear |
| 04:55.56 | HankH | hey and also mysql-server is broken in testing |
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| 04:55.58 | dumezil | Jurples: try asking in #ipw2100 |
| 04:56.01 | Jurples | but shouldn't really be a wireless port if i can ping my AP, other computers, outside addresses |
| 04:56.06 | Jurples | k i'll try |
| 04:56.20 | huhlig | anyone have a clue on my problem |
| 04:56.23 | HankH | anyone ese get this ? |
| 04:56.24 | huhlig | with alsa |
| 04:56.52 | HankH | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 04:56.52 | HankH | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.52 | HankH | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 04:56.52 | HankH | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 04:56.52 | HankH | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
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| 04:57.00 | dumezil | Jurples: i know it shouldn't be, but icmp and tcp are different protocol families and the AP might handle them differently... i don't know. |
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| 04:57.13 | HankH | anyone see that? |
| 04:57.23 | huhlig | HankH, first 4 lines |
| 04:57.34 | huhlig | dont flood |
| 04:57.35 | dondelelcaro | HankH: first off, don't paste here. Secondly, check /var/log/syslog to see exactly what has happened to mysqld. |
| 04:57.37 | dumezil | HankH: ls -l /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock returns what? |
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| 04:58.24 | HankH | ls: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock: No such file or directory |
| 04:58.36 | dumezil | ah ha!! |
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| 04:58.43 | HankH | I ran into this before but never figured out how to fixit |
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| 04:59.02 | dumezil | find where your mysql socket is and change your config to reflect that |
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| 04:59.10 | dondelelcaro | HankH: right, so /etc/init.d/mysql start; then check syslog and give us the relevant information regarding it. |
| 04:59.15 | huhlig | anyone? |
| 04:59.22 | nvz | they should color code errors or something maybe the error should have read ***PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THE SYSLOG*** instead |
| 04:59.25 | dondelelcaro | HankH: if you've modified your /etc/mysql/my.conf, then all bets are off. |
| 04:59.36 | HankH | didn;t touch it |
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| 04:59.47 | dumezil | unfortunately i don't know exactly where your mysql socket or mysql config would/should be |
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| 05:00.07 | dondelelcaro | it should be in /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock by default |
| 05:00.25 | dondelelcaro | but if you've touched your my.conf, $DEITY knows where it is now |
| 05:00.25 | mankeletord | cd /boot/ |
| 05:00.25 | mankeletord | d |
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| 05:02.37 | tobobo_ | any way i could set all files of certain types (.jpg, .png, .gif) to open in qiv? |
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| 05:03.02 | nvz | tobobo_: from? |
| 05:03.15 | tobobo_ | well they currently open in firefox |
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| 05:03.41 | nvz | tobobo_: you are missing the important information of where you are opening them FROM |
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| 05:03.53 | nvz | if you open them FROM firefox, then thats normal |
| 05:03.57 | tobobo_ | like, when double clicking them in nautilus |
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| 05:04.39 | pacman | if you'd mentioned nautilus in the first place, you could have already been dismissed with "nobody uses nautilus" by now |
| 05:04.48 | huhlig | ... |
| 05:05.03 | tobobo_ | i was afraid of that |
| 05:05.30 | tobobo | well then, what do you reccomend i use? |
| 05:05.30 | nvz | tobobo: right click the file and goto properties. |
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| 05:05.47 | nvz | tobobo: how about you use that thing on your neck ... |
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| 05:05.52 | nvz | ... for something other than a hatrack |
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| 05:07.23 | nvz | tobobo: you will notice in the Properties dailog there is a tab called "Open With" that says 'Select an application to open foo.ext and others of type "Foo Extension"' |
| 05:07.33 | tobobo | okay |
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| 05:07.37 | tobobo | ah, you are correct |
| 05:07.38 | tobobo | thanks |
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| 05:09.46 | HankH | I think I figured it out |
| 05:09.57 | HankH | I found this on a website |
| 05:10.07 | HankH | all you have to do is edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf and comment out the line 'old_passwords = 1'. |
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| 05:11.07 | debian_newbie88 | what is apt-get moo? |
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| 05:11.44 | nvz | apt, moo |
| 05:11.45 | apt | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
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| 05:11.57 | liable | debian_newbie88: type it in a shell |
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| 05:12.54 | nvz | I am cow and you are too. join us all type apt-get moo |
| 05:13.12 | debian_newbie88 | 5555+ |
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| 05:13.38 | nvz | have you mooed today? |
| 05:13.40 | flankk | I just bought a fancy USB flash drive. I was thinking of using it for security, on a keyring, storing hashes and such. Has anyone tried this, or anything else interesting with their USB drive? |
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| 05:15.03 | darkcmd | so apt-get moo is some easter egg in apt |
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| 05:15.22 | nvz | no dummy, apt has super cow powers |
| 05:15.26 | darkcmd | installing cowsay |
| 05:15.29 | nvz | apt, cow |
| 05:15.31 | apt | I am a cow, hear me moo. I eat grass and weigh twice as much as you. |
| 05:15.32 | darkcmd | hehe |
| 05:15.41 | dumezil | only twice? |
| 05:15.45 | darkcmd | why did the developers decide to add the cow stuff into it |
| 05:15.59 | nvz | because APT HAS SUPER COW POWERS!! ffs |
| 05:16.10 | darkcmd | heh |
| 05:16.15 | ke6isf | And debian_newbie88 discovers the super cow powers. =^_^= |
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| 05:16.23 | debian_newbie88 | ^-^ |
| 05:16.28 | dondelelcaro | !moo |
| 05:16.28 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 05:17.00 | dumezil | any reason top would take 15% of my cpu time? |
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| 05:17.11 | dondelelcaro | dumezil: because you're holding space down? |
| 05:17.20 | dumezil | no |
| 05:17.22 | dumezil | lol |
| 05:17.34 | nvz | ~apt-get |
| 05:17.36 | apt | methinks apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or ... |
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| 05:17.58 | dumezil | dondelelcaro: it jumps to 35% if i do that |
| 05:18.06 | dondelelcaro | well, then your computer is just slow |
| 05:18.16 | eerr | i am having the same problem as here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=210767 but apt-get install fileutils is failing. |
| 05:18.20 | darkcmd | hmm... when was apt introduced into debian? |
| 05:18.29 | flankk | "overrated and overused" ... probably. |
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| 05:19.09 | eerr | i'll post the apt-get error in #flood |
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| 05:19.23 | xuniluser | How do i get the driver of a printer from a different distro? |
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| 05:19.51 | mylanta_ | I want to turn on a bootlog, I tried /etc/default/bootlogd set to Yes but no log got wrote :( |
| 05:20.29 | eerr | the jist of it is, apt-get install fileutils is failing... |
| 05:20.44 | liable | eerr: how do you not have core-utils? |
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| 05:21.25 | kenboo | can i unmount /boot ? |
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| 05:21.40 | kenboo | i haven't been able to unmount it, so fa |
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| 05:21.47 | dondelelcaro | eerr: so install coreutils |
| 05:22.17 | dondelelcaro | eerr: but you realize that you should *NEVER* have gotten into that situtation in the first place, right? coreutils is Essential: Yes |
| 05:22.26 | dumezil | kenboo: why would you want to? |
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| 05:22.55 | kenboo | i need to get rid of extremely small /boot (7M) |
| 05:23.02 | kenboo | and the machine is remote. |
| 05:23.04 | eerr | dondelelcaro: i don't know whats going on, or why coreutils would not be there. the output of apt-get install coreutils is in #flood |
| 05:23.15 | AM|R | how i can upgrade kernel with apt-get? |
| 05:23.40 | nvz | AM|R: what kernel do you have now and why do you need to upgrade? |
| 05:23.55 | dumezil | apt-cache search kernel-image; apt-get install kernel-image-whatever |
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| 05:24.12 | AM|R | i want to upgrade to 2.6.8 |
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| 05:24.20 | nvz | dumezil: thats not a good answer |
| 05:24.21 | eerr | dondelelcaro: that warning looks very scary. what next? |
| 05:24.25 | nvz | AM|R: from? |
| 05:24.49 | dumezil | nvz: i know its not... im sorry |
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| 05:25.18 | nvz | dumezil: newer images are now called linux-image and you really need more information from them in such a vague question. |
| 05:25.23 | AM|R | 2.4 |
| 05:25.41 | nvz | AM|R: so you are using sarge? what specifically does uname -r say? |
| 05:25.47 | archie | to all chatterz! i wana girl talk plzzzz... |
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| 05:25.58 | AM|R | sarge yess |
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| 05:26.56 | liable | eerr: what are you doing exactly? how did you get into this mess? are you trying to go from woody to sid? |
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| 05:27.28 | eerr | : i am having the same problem as here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=210767 |
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| 05:27.53 | nvz | AM|R: if you mind telling me your current kernel version or your cpu arch we can get on with answering your question |
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| 05:28.13 | dumezil | nvz: why'd it change from kernel-image to linux-image with 2.6.8 to 2.6.12? |
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| 05:28.21 | nvz | that would be the 4th time asking what kernl you have now |
| 05:28.25 | babyrobbe | reeeeeeeeee |
| 05:28.27 | liable | eerr: so, try upgrading to sarge first.. |
| 05:28.30 | babyrobbe | ^^ *jumpz* got unstable up and running |
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| 05:28.34 | jcdubacq | hello |
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| 05:28.46 | nvz | dumezil: I dont know. havent looked into it |
| 05:29.02 | jcdubacq | has anybody setup NIS (ypcat, etc.) with non-ascii chars ? |
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| 05:29.27 | babyrobbe | how can i configure packages that are already configured like dpkg --configure <packet> |
| 05:29.31 | nvz | dumezil: makes more sense anyhow. debian runs on things other than linux and kernel-image implies that there is only one type of kernel |
| 05:29.32 | dumezil | jcdubacq: just curious, why would you want to do that? |
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| 05:29.36 | dondelelcaro | babyrobbe: dpkg-reconfigure foopkg |
| 05:29.39 | babyrobbe | s/packet/package/ :D |
| 05:29.41 | babyrobbe | thx :) |
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| 05:29.52 | destroier_nst | yeah |
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| 05:30.03 | AM|R | kernel 2.4.27-* |
| 05:30.09 | jcdubacq | I have a NIS server (redhat) and several nis clients; as soon as a name contains accents, such as the NAME field of passwd, the line is not received by ypcat |
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| 05:30.19 | AM|R | i want to upgrade to 2.6.8* |
| 05:30.22 | nvz | AM|R: you keep leaving out the significant part, why cant you just tell me what I ask |
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| 05:30.34 | jcdubacq | dumezil: some of our people have accented chars in their names |
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| 05:31.07 | dumezil | jcdubacq: accented chars aren't ascii? sorry if im stupid... i don't really know an answer, i was just curious as to wy |
| 05:31.15 | dumezil | s/wy/why/g |
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| 05:31.23 | nvz | AM|R: there are about 10 different 2.6.8 images in sarge just for the x86 pased systems |
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| 05:31.33 | nvz | s/pased/based/ |
| 05:31.34 | jm_ | dumezil: of course they aren't - man ascii |
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| 05:31.49 | dumezil | what is the difference between a 686 kernel and a 386 kernel? |
| 05:31.51 | jcdubacq | dumezil: no they aren't. |
| 05:32.04 | jim | dumezil: 300 |
| 05:32.12 | nvz | :) |
| 05:32.13 | jcdubacq | they are either iso-8859-something or unicode |
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| 05:32.15 | ke6isf | dumezil: The former is optimized for the Pentium 2 or later. 386 will work on any Intel or Intel-like processor. |
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| 05:32.32 | jim | almost all, but yeah |
| 05:32.54 | babyrobbe | during bootup i get a lot of garbage and (usbcore already loaded) etc. messages ... after compileing a new kernel i get an error message (that scrolls away too fast) and the usb modules are not loaded ... :) |
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| 05:33.00 | vagabund | *rofl* |
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| 05:33.14 | eerr | liable: so, my /etc/apt/sources.list is pointing to testing, but i havent upgraded in a long time. can i change that to stable and then do an apt-get update, apt-get -u dist-upgrade ? |
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| 05:33.27 | kreg_ | hi |
| 05:33.29 | jim | for example if you had a lab full of computers of different intels that you wanted to have the same debian installation on them, a 386 kernel would be a good bet |
| 05:33.41 | nvz | AM|R: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 and hope it works I guess. since you cant tell me your kernel version or cpu type. |
| 05:33.45 | dumezil | jcdubacq: does nis use ascii or iso-8859-1? cause iso-8859-1 has all the accented chars |
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| 05:33.53 | dondelelcaro | although, you may as well stick different kernels on them and still use the same Debian install... |
| 05:33.55 | co-cool | mbi ya |
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| 05:34.21 | liable | eerr: yeah, change it to sarge, then dist-upgrade, what version do you actually have now? testing sarge, or woody? |
| 05:34.24 | babyrobbe | jim: i686 ;) ... on anything below you just could use gentoo because the unpacking of the .debs takes the same amount of time ;)) |
| 05:34.30 | eerr | liable: testing |
| 05:34.45 | eerr | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 05:34.47 | jim | jen too? |
| 05:34.49 | ke6isf | !gentoosmite babyrobbe |
| 05:34.51 | liable | eerr: change to sarge, then dist-upgrade, see how you go |
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| 05:35.29 | nvz | just because you have a 386 doesnt mean you have to install the system on it you can strap it on the hd from a faster box |
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| 05:35.39 | liable | eerr: dont forget to update.. |
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| 05:35.54 | bob2 | note that Debian doesn't run on i386 anymore |
| 05:36.02 | bob2 | only 486 and later |
| 05:36.04 | dondelelcaro | yerp |
| 05:36.06 | dumezil | really? damn |
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| 05:36.20 | cafuego_ | if you're insane enough to run a 2.6 kernel ona 386... |
| 05:36.21 | ke6isf | bob2: Then again, what can you do with a 386 these days anyway? |
| 05:36.23 | latea | of caurse |
| 05:36.23 | dondelelcaro | pretty much because no one wanted to bother to fix the code to support a i386 |
| 05:36.25 | dumezil | gotta throw out tha batch of 30 386s i just bought |
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| 05:36.42 | dondelelcaro | since they're basically totally useless |
| 05:36.44 | cafuego_ | ke6isf: doorstop |
| 05:36.46 | ke6isf | dumezil: Welp, there goes US$20 down the drain. =^_^= |
| 05:36.52 | bob2 | 2.4 doesn't work on it, either |
| 05:37.02 | dondelelcaro | $20? If you paid to get an i386, you got ripped off |
| 05:37.05 | bob2 | it's libstdc++ that doesn't support 386 anymore |
| 05:37.05 | ke6isf | cafuego: Kinda bulky, but 'k. |
| 05:37.12 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: No, $20 for thirty of 'em. |
| 05:37.14 | dumezil | dondelelcaro: but for 30 of them... |
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| 05:37.18 | mr_kreg | are there any channels that focus more on linux as a router? |
| 05:37.18 | Arkainium | only way to use xorg in sarge is to use a backport? |
| 05:37.22 | dondelelcaro | you still got ripped off |
| 05:37.26 | cafuego_ | ke6isf: No, the *cpu*, not the mobo/hdd/case ;-) |
| 05:37.30 | dondelelcaro | it'll cost you more to dispose of the damn things |
| 05:37.34 | nvz | dondelelcaro: how dare you! they were used to write the &$*@! kernel you use :P |
| 05:37.45 | bob2 | mr_kreg: how complicated a router? |
| 05:37.54 | jim | babyrobbe: could... but the difference would be that the debian system would be ready the second you install... gentoo, what, 2-3 days of compile time? |
| 05:37.56 | nvz | dondelelcaro: ... about 15 years ago |
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| 05:38.30 | mr_kreg | bob2 i do all the basics, firewall, snat, dnat, but i need more bandwidth control to discipline internal ip's. |
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| 05:38.39 | dumezil | g'nite alll |
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| 05:38.46 | dumezil | s/alll/all/g |
| 05:38.48 | dondelelcaro | (the A/D card attached to it is too slow for anything faster) |
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| 05:38.51 | bob2 | mr_kreg: #lartc on irc.oftc.net might be useful, then |
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| 05:39.07 | babyrobbe | jim: /me just switched from gentoo to debian :) |
| 05:39.17 | mr_kreg | bob2 i'll stop by there. thank you |
| 05:39.28 | babyrobbe | *cries* my hp deskjet 3940 is not detected in /proc/bus/usb/devices :( |
| 05:39.33 | latea | I am quit from them |
| 05:39.34 | roler | i'm using iwlist device scan to see my surrounding wireless networks... However, my network doesn't always show when I run the scan. It seems to show about 50% of the time. I live in an apartment and just noticed there are a lot of wireless signals here now... Could it just be they are interfering? Or is it my wirelss card is going out? |
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| 05:39.40 | bob2 | mr_kreg: (also www.lartc.net) |
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| 05:41.08 | jim | babyrobbe: is that what you remember as far as initial-install compile time? |
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| 05:41.42 | din | gn |
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| 05:41.57 | ke6isf | If I, for instance, do 'PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin' in my .bashrc, will I need to follow that with an export, or is such a thing forgone in .bashrc? |
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| 05:42.08 | dondelelcaro | ke6isf: yes |
| 05:42.12 | mr_kreg | bob2 thanks |
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| 05:42.17 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: Which one? |
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| 05:43.39 | pacman | if a shell variable is already exported, modifying it will not unexport it. |
| 05:44.10 | pacman | the modification goes directly in the environment |
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| 05:44.33 | jim | meaning that changing the value of that variable will change the "global" value? |
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| 05:45.16 | babyrobbe | jim: the sysem takes ... hmm 2hrs ... kde 3.4 + koffice takes 1 1/2 days *g* |
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| 05:45.28 | babyrobbe | !tell me about hotplug |
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| 05:46.29 | jim | s#!tell me about#/msg dpkg# |
| 05:46.40 | babyrobbe | ^^ *ashamed* |
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| 05:47.47 | pacman | sometimes people who use the word "global" to describe environment variables are thinking that they're more "global" than they really are... environment variables are not shared between processes; only passed from a process to its child when the child is created. After that the copies are independent. Changes don't propagate between processes. |
| 05:48.09 | jm_ | and even then you can start a process with customized environment |
| 05:48.39 | darkcmd | ok I have a text based game, how can I set it up so people can telnet to a box I have dedicated for this, and when they telnet in they get the game |
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| 05:49.30 | ke6isf | darkcmd: You don't. Set up ssh. |
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| 05:49.50 | jim | I guess you'd write a server that, when telnetted to, spawms a copy of the client |
| 05:49.51 | karma1 | I think I bugged firefox out somehow -- I accidently doubleclicked the titlebar a few too many times and it crashed, now whenever I run it or thunderbird, I get this error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/790 -- any suggestions? |
| 05:50.04 | eeyore- | darkcmd: does it have to be via telnet? |
| 05:50.19 | jim | right, telnet isn't such a good idea |
| 05:50.20 | pacman | darkcmd, pretty much any program can be used as a login shell... |
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| 05:50.32 | ke6isf | darkcmd: What game is this, btw? |
| 05:50.35 | eeyore- | darkcmd: i suppose you could use inetd to handle it |
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| 05:50.41 | kshdk | anyone could help me to download msn messenger.. |
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| 05:50.52 | eeyore- | darkcmd: yeah, inetd can wrap things that aren't supposed to read/write from sockets :) |
| 05:50.53 | ke6isf | kshdk: Use gaim. |
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| 05:53.37 | darkcmd | I want to use the game Crawl |
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| 05:54.14 | greyson | What is the appropriate way to version the kernel when only small changes are made without having to do a full 'make-kpkg clean'? |
| 05:54.40 | dondelelcaro | greyson: you generally just do a full make-kpkg clean; then rebuild everythign |
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| 05:54.53 | greyson | dondelelcaro: That's what I was afraid of... |
| 05:54.54 | bob2 | using ccache is a good idea, in that case |
| 05:54.57 | bob2 | like most others |
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| 05:55.44 | dondelelcaro | greyson: if you know exactly what you're doing, you can set CLEAN_SOURCE=no; but you'd already know that. |
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| 05:55.52 | greyson | dondelelcaro: I'm just fine-tuning, and making small alterations between boots... |
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| 05:56.08 | babyrobbe | o.O usb device file system is enabled in the kernel ... but i don't have /dev/usb ?! |
| 05:56.18 | babyrobbe | udev is running :/ |
| 05:56.47 | greyson | dondelelcaro: Is that a make-kpkg thing? I've never had to use it for kernel compiles before... |
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| 05:57.41 | pacman | hmm... I never had any trouble with unwanted recompiling of unchanged files in the kernel... but then I do it the way Linus intended, not the Debian-complicated way |
| 05:58.03 | pacman | the "USB Device Filesystem" goes at /proc/bus/usb |
| 05:58.31 | greyson | pacman: Yeah, that's how I usually do it too... I'm trying to keep this system debian-clean though. |
| 05:58.55 | dondelelcaro | greyson: yes, it's a make-kpkg thing |
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| 05:59.25 | greyson | dondelelcaro: Ah... but it's not in the man pages? |
| 05:59.30 | dondelelcaro | it's not terribly complicated; it's just set up for the case where you know exactly what configuration you want to run |
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| 05:59.39 | dondelelcaro | greyson: no, it's in the manpages; man 5 kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 05:59.54 | karma1 | I think I bugged firefox out somehow -- I accidently doubleclicked the titlebar a few too many times and it crashed, now whenever I run it or thunderbird, I get this error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/790 -- any suggestions? |
| 06:00.02 | dondelelcaro | greyson: the SEE ALSO section of the make-kpkg manpage is quite important |
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| 06:00.56 | ilpavox | its been 2 days since i stopped smoking and i actually feal really good. wtf?! |
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| 06:01.23 | greyson | dondelelcaro: gotcha. Found it. |
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| 06:02.17 | liable | karma1: file a bug. |
| 06:02.30 | Neobeo | can anyone help me with a wireless problem (maybe the problem isn't with the wireless, i'm not sure)? |
| 06:02.30 | servus | I thought he told ilpavox to file a bug :) |
| 06:03.13 | eobanb | neobeo, what's the problem |
| 06:03.15 | liable | Neobeo: just ask. (the channel) |
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| 06:03.34 | Neobeo | i can ping network and internet, and resolve dns |
| 06:03.40 | dondelelcaro | karma1: you might also try moving away your .mozilla and trying again. |
| 06:03.42 | Neobeo | but i can't visit websites or download from FTP or apt-get |
| 06:03.56 | dondelelcaro | Neobeo: can you telnet www.google.com 80; |
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| 06:04.02 | dondelelcaro | Neobeo: if not, then your routing is screwed. |
| 06:04.02 | Neobeo | i can access/browse FTP, but the download stays at 0% (same with apt-get) |
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| 06:04.13 | Neobeo | but the ping works ok |
| 06:04.45 | pacman | PMTU problem maybe? |
| 06:04.47 | roler | i'm using iwlist device scan to see my surrounding wireless networks... However, my network doesn't always show when I run the scan. It seems to show about 50% of the time. I live in an apartment and just noticed there are a lot of wireless signals here now... Could it just be they are interfering? Or is it my wirelss card is going out? |
| 06:04.58 | Neobeo | what's PMTU? |
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| 06:06.07 | pacman | Path MTU is the maximum packet size for the path between 2 endpoints, and its detection can be screwed up sometimes by braindead routers (or more to the point, braindead sysadmins) |
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| 06:06.23 | xerophyte | my linux box only takes 8 char for the password hwo can i change that into unlimited length |
| 06:06.33 | pacman | when the PMTU detection is messed up, you get connections that succeed but then don't transfer any data |
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| 06:06.43 | greyson | dondelelcaro: Since I find myself asking a lot of "what's the debian way to do X" questions... is there anyplace that's a nice central repository for "The debian way to do X"s? |
| 06:06.48 | pacman | xerophyte, enable md5 passwords |
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| 06:07.01 | xerophyte | pacman, how can i enable it |
| 06:07.29 | dondelelcaro | greyson: the Debian quick reference has most of it |
| 06:07.32 | dondelelcaro | !quick reference |
| 06:07.32 | dpkg | from memory, reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 06:08.10 | alex_ez | guys. help me please, my apache2+ssl chain told me: [Tue Sep 27 13:38:35 2005] [error] Illegal attempt to re-initialise SSL for server (theoretically shouldn't happen!) |
| 06:08.24 | alex_ez | what i can do with it ??? |
| 06:08.31 | pacman | xerophyte, it's in the PAM configuration somewhere |
| 06:08.42 | bob2 | alex_ez: wha tdid google say about it? |
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| 06:09.02 | hmms | heu |
| 06:09.04 | hmms | hey* |
| 06:09.26 | hmms | how can i fix this newaliases: fatal: myorigin parameter setting must not contain multiple values: domain.org |
| 06:09.32 | wireddd | you have to love linux error messages |
| 06:10.00 | bob2 | hmms: you forgot to mention that you're using postfix |
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| 06:10.08 | bob2 | hmms: and you forgot to put your main.cf online somewhere |
| 06:10.10 | hmms | im using postfix :) |
| 06:10.21 | greyson | dondelelcaro: Cool -- perhaps I won't be bugging people as much now ;) |
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| 06:10.32 | greyson | (perhaps) |
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| 06:11.14 | hmms | http://pastebin.com/375435 |
| 06:11.16 | hmms | :) |
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| 06:11.35 | alex_ez | bob2: many links, but... no good answer... |
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| 06:11.42 | Pita | How would I upgrade my system to support NPTL? |
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| 06:12.00 | alex_ez | bob2: deutch sites... |
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| 06:12.21 | EdLin | Pita: apt-get install libc6-686 |
| 06:12.22 | alex_ez | Pita: what is the ? |
| 06:12.30 | EdLin | Pita: apt-get install libc6-i686 |
| 06:12.33 | EdLin | Pita: sorry |
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| 06:13.10 | Pita | EdLin: and If I swap on Kernel 2.6, it will be using NPTL automagically? |
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| 06:13.11 | greyson | Ahah! How to make .debs awesome! |
| 06:13.18 | EdLin | Pita: I don't think so. |
| 06:13.31 | EdLin | Pita: you need the libc version too. |
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| 06:13.46 | Pita | After I do the apt-get and swap on Kernel 2.6 am I done? |
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| 06:13.55 | EdLin | Pita: yes |
| 06:14.11 | Pita | Thanks :) |
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| 06:14.15 | EdLin | Pita: simple, isn't it. :-) |
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| 06:14.45 | Pita | I hope so. truly hope so |
| 06:14.49 | Pita | don't want no crashes |
| 06:15.07 | EdLin | Pita: you may have problems running a few programs that aren't compatible with NPTL. |
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| 06:15.30 | maguyver | is there a X11 installer for debian.. So I can tell newbies to use it ? |
| 06:15.31 | hmms | im stupid :/ |
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| 06:16.25 | EdLin | maguyver: no |
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| 06:16.26 | EdLin | maguyver: Progeny and others make one, but they're technically not Debian. |
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| 06:16.26 | maguyver | true |
| 06:16.26 | alex_ez | help |
| 06:16.28 | maguyver | crap I can't use that as and excuse why debian roxs fedora |
| 06:16.29 | maguyver | :P |
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| 06:16.29 | wireddd | is there a way to get something besides jibberish to show up on my second monitor when x isn't running |
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| 06:16.53 | hmms | how can i send a mail from shell |
| 06:17.08 | EdLin | maguyver: Sarge's d-i is rather simple and more friendly than many eye-candy installers. |
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| 06:17.21 | drp | hmms: using mail |
| 06:17.39 | kshdk | kdk |
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| 06:17.48 | foo | Err, I am getting this with skype. /dev/dsp-1: Device or resource busy ... it was working fine. |
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| 06:17.51 | EdLin | hmms: "mutt" and "mail" are two console mail clients included in Debian, there are others too. |
| 06:17.51 | foo | debian:/# lsof | grep /dev/dsp |
| 06:17.54 | foo | debian:/# |
| 06:17.56 | foo | Any ideas? |
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| 06:18.18 | Gnea | lsof | grep |
| 06:18.23 | EdLin | hmms: you'll also need fetchmail and configure exim4 or another MTA to send the mail. |
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| 06:18.26 | Gnea | lsof | grep \/dev\/dsp |
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| 06:18.38 | maguyver | word |
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| 06:18.48 | pacman | Gnea, the shell eats your backslashes and grep didn't need them anyway (slash isn't special) |
| 06:18.52 | foo | debian:/# lsof | grep \/dev\/dsp |
| 06:18.52 | foo | debian:/# |
| 06:18.54 | foo | Gnea: ^ |
| 06:18.57 | foo | I don't get it .. |
| 06:18.57 | FabParma | how upgrade a testing serge to stable serge? |
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| 06:19.06 | foo | notix@debian:/public/music$ skype & |
| 06:19.06 | foo | [1] 6791 |
| 06:19.06 | foo | notix@debian:/public/music$ /dev/dsp-1: Device or resource busy |
| 06:19.08 | Gnea | pacman: bite me. |
| 06:19.09 | foo | Gnea: hmm. |
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| 06:19.11 | Gnea | lsof | grep dsp |
| 06:19.14 | EdLin | foo: a lot of people are having problems with skype. It's closed source, beg skype to fix it. |
| 06:19.27 | foo | EdLin: eh, it was working fine for weeks. |
| 06:19.29 | Gnea | teamspeak > skype |
| 06:19.30 | eobanb | fabparma, set your repository in /etc/apt/sources.list and then do a dist-upgrade |
| 06:19.45 | eobanb | i think that's what you're asking, anyway |
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| 06:19.46 | hmms | EdLin, isent postfix sending the mail |
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| 06:20.04 | EdLin | hmms: you can use postfix but it's not Debian's default, FWIW. |
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| 06:20.35 | EdLin | hmms: if you're familiar with postfix by all means use it. |
| 06:20.54 | hmms | k |
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| 06:21.36 | overnout | fooz: why dont you run something like "fuser /dev/dsp-1" |
| 06:21.46 | overnout | to see what proces is blocking it |
| 06:22.04 | alex_ez | guys. I try to configure ssl with apache2 on my debian sarge. He told me: "Illegal attempt to re-initialise SSL for server (theoretically shouldn't happen!)", and going down. wtf error? |
| 06:22.15 | alex_ez | help! |
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| 06:25.41 | mattfury | happy birthday google. |
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| 06:28.01 | alex_ez | GUYS!!! |
| 06:28.11 | alex_ez | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:28.30 | marcel__ | just try google with that error |
| 06:28.54 | bob2 | dude |
| 06:28.55 | darkcmd | what language is apt written in |
| 06:29.02 | bob2 | getting all annoying is not going to encourgae people to help |
| 06:29.09 | bob2 | what did #apache say? |
| 06:29.10 | bob2 | darkcmd: C++ |
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| 06:29.18 | darkcmd | bob2, not C? |
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| 06:29.39 | bob2 | correct |
| 06:30.08 | alex_ez | bob2: Illegal attempt to re-initialise SSL for server (theoretically shouldn't happen!); |
| 06:30.41 | alex_ez | marcel__: google is not wellcome to me with my problem |
| 06:31.14 | darkcmd | I figured either perl or c |
| 06:31.16 | darkcmd | wierd |
| 06:31.16 | darkcmd | :) |
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| 06:31.55 | marcel__ | you didn't even try |
| 06:31.57 | alex_ez | try python ; |
| 06:31.58 | alex_ez | ;) |
| 06:32.06 | marcel__ | I got lot's of hits on that error |
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| 06:32.28 | bob2 | alex_ez: yes, I saw your error |
| 06:32.32 | bob2 | alex_ez: what did #apache say? |
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| 06:32.49 | seb- | how cleanly replace exim with postfix? |
| 06:33.04 | seb- | i get warnings of conflicts when i try |
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| 06:35.42 | darkcmd | seb-, what branch of debian? |
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| 06:36.51 | seb- | darkcmd: how find out? i just got latest stable cd about 2 weeks ago |
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| 06:37.18 | darkcmd | seb-, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 06:37.36 | seb- | darkcmd: 3.1 |
| 06:37.48 | seb- | darkcmd: i hope that is latest |
| 06:37.49 | darkcmd | wierd |
| 06:38.00 | darkcmd | its stable |
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| 06:38.06 | darkcmd | hmm it never gave me errors like that |
| 06:38.09 | darkcmd | when I got postfix |
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| 06:38.27 | seb- | darkcmd: wait! it makes sense that you can't just rip out a running exim process/setup and add postfix right? |
| 06:38.47 | darkcmd | apt should shut down exim |
| 06:38.48 | seb- | is there a way to 'undo' your email setup? |
| 06:39.07 | seb- | darkcmd: if i try to delete exim it will tell me 3333 packages depend on it prolly |
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| 06:39.25 | Zugschlus | seb-: install your new MTA. it will automatically remove the old one |
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| 06:39.39 | darkcmd | yeah |
| 06:39.41 | Zugschlus | (being exim maintainer, I need to say that it is not a wise move to move away from exim) |
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| 06:39.53 | darkcmd | Zugschlus, yeah? |
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| 06:40.25 | seb- | Zugsch: i just did 'aptitude install postfix' and yer right!...it says exim* will automagically be deleted |
| 06:40.30 | Zugschlus | [but otoh, I have stopped argueing with postfix evangelists - every user moving away from exim is one less not reading docs and asking dumb exim questions] |
| 06:40.41 | jm_ | heh |
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| 06:41.01 | streuner | !start a MTA war |
| 06:41.01 | dpkg | postfix has shitty documentation |
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| 06:41.03 | liable | seb-: you can actually delete in anyway, no depends iirc |
| 06:41.05 | streuner | haha |
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| 06:41.12 | vinland | OT: whats a good place to register domains? |
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| 06:41.22 | liable | s/delete/remove |
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| 06:41.30 | ke6isf | vinland: godaddy. |
| 06:41.34 | jm_ | Zugschlus: I had some stupid issues with exim3, and haven't figured out how to do it, care to read about it and tell if it's doable with exim4? |
| 06:41.45 | jm_ | mind you, I'm still using exim3 |
| 06:41.50 | streuner | vinland: try joker.com |
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| 06:41.59 | mwilson | jm_: So are lots of people. |
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| 06:42.07 | mwilson | jm_: I did, until I went to postfix. |
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| 06:42.30 | jm_ | mwilson: I moved to exim4 at home, but my needs are pretty minimalistic anyway |
| 06:42.54 | mwilson | I took one look at the disaster that the Debian exim4 packages are and ran like hell. |
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| 06:43.03 | Zugschlus | jm_: I haven't used exim 3 in years |
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| 06:43.20 | Zugschlus | mwilson: thanks for your support |
| 06:43.21 | jm_ | Zugschlus: doesn't matter I guess |
| 06:43.37 | Zugschlus | mwilson: bet you did spend like 20 seconds with the docs |
| 06:43.50 | darkcmd | what about sendmail |
| 06:43.52 | darkcmd | lol |
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| 06:44.07 | mwilson | Zugschlus: I read them. I even have the exim4 ORA book. |
| 06:44.08 | hmms | any one know the postfix php wapper? |
| 06:44.09 | streuner | dpkg literal start an MTA war |
| 06:44.09 | dpkg | start an mta war is <REPLY> (sendmail|qmail|courier|exim|postfix|smail) (is a spam magnet|systems are liable to be r00ted|rulez|sucks|owns|loses mail|is hard to configure|has shitty documentation|has an evil license) |
| 06:44.14 | hmms | i need a wapper :/ |
| 06:44.16 | Zugschlus | mwilson: there is no exim4 ORA book |
| 06:44.18 | alex_ez | bob2: [Tue Sep 27 13:38:35 2005] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName (CN) `Alex' does NOT match server name!? |
| 06:44.18 | alex_ez | [Tue Sep 27 13:38:35 2005] [error] Illegal attempt to re-initialise SSL for server (theoretically shouldn't happen!) |
| 06:44.31 | mwilson | Zugschlus: Isn't there? I know I have some Exim4 book. |
| 06:44.36 | Zugschlus | mwilson: UIT. |
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| 06:44.42 | mwilson | !uit |
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| 06:45.01 | mwilson | UIT stands for...? |
| 06:45.05 | Zugschlus | http://www.uit.co.uk/ |
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| 06:45.39 | streuner | Zugschlus: well, time to write one? |
| 06:45.46 | bob2 | alex_ez: that's pretty clear |
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| 06:45.57 | bob2 | alex_ez: the CN should match the hostname of the machine |
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| 06:46.46 | alex_ez | bob2: have you the answer on my question ? |
| 06:46.53 | mwilson | Zugschlus: You're the maintainer? I'm sorry you're offended but I'm not sorry for my opinion. Exim4's configuration is brittle and hard to understand, while exim3 was a model of simplicity. |
| 06:47.07 | Zugschlus | streuner: there is an exim 4 book. ORA didn't want it, so philip found another publisher |
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| 06:47.20 | bob2 | alex_ez: what? |
| 06:47.23 | bob2 | alex_ez: I told oyu how to fix that |
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| 06:47.26 | Zugschlus | mwilson: exim3 was also a nightmare updating, and is still is not policy compliant |
| 06:47.34 | alex_ez | bob2: that`s all ? |
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| 06:47.56 | bob2 | alex_ez: the last thing you pasted gave a warning because your certificate is crap |
| 06:47.57 | alex_ez | bob2: thanks! i try it! thanks!!! |
| 06:48.02 | jm_ | Zugschlus: the deal is that we have a stupid setup at work. We're using a relay server, but it keeps all the headers, so if I send mail to people, they see my FQDN, and then I started receiving spam targeted directly at my hostname (of course our stupid server accepts those) and they usually sent it to invalid usernames - I was looking for a way to simply discard such mails and not send an error back |
| 06:48.02 | mwilson | Zugschlus: e4's maze of twisty little config files is no better. |
| 06:48.02 | alex_ez | ok |
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| 06:48.06 | bob2 | alex_ez: have you asked #apache about the other error yet? |
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| 06:48.26 | Zugschlus | mwilson: it updates nicely, and it is policy compliant. |
| 06:48.30 | talofa | how do i save my iwconfig settings? when i enable wep i have to set it manually every boot. |
| 06:48.37 | mwilson | And is completely unintelligible. |
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| 06:48.53 | bob2 | talofa: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:48.57 | liable | talofa: man interfaces |
| 06:49.13 | talofa | cool thanks much |
| 06:49.26 | alex_ez | bob2: it`s one error... |
| 06:49.36 | alex_ez | bob2: alone error... ;) |
| 06:49.40 | darkcmd | I feel a flame war coming on |
| 06:49.40 | mwilson | I *did* read the docs, noted the gazillion ways things could be done, realized how silly that was, and went in another direction. |
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| 06:50.06 | mwilson | That's why there's this thing called "choice". |
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| 06:50.51 | maher | Zugschlus: can i bore you with a random exim question - under what conditions do vars set in update-exim4.conf.conf propogate to the config? i.e. CFILEMODE='644' does but MAIN_TLS_ENABLE='true' doesn't seem to |
| 06:51.00 | mwilson | heh |
| 06:51.07 | Zugschlus | maher: see man update-exim4.conf |
| 06:51.17 | mwilson | A file named *.conf.conf... no, that's not brittle at all. :) |
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| 06:51.30 | Zugschlus | mwilson: that's a historic legacy |
| 06:51.41 | fireba11 | good morning everyone |
| 06:51.55 | mwilson | Anyway, that was how *I* found it. Others obviously don't think so, because it's still the default MTA. |
| 06:52.18 | mwilson | That's fine. After all, we could still be using sendmail like the oBSD box I put together today. |
| 06:52.21 | darkcmd | exim is right? |
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| 06:52.44 | fireba11 | exim is pretty good .. postfix is another serious option though |
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| 06:53.32 | fireba11 | sendmail is just a nightmare to configure |
| 06:53.37 | fireba11 | ^^ |
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| 06:54.21 | mwilson | Nah, sendmail isn't all that hard. But it ruins you for anything else. :) |
| 06:54.31 | jm_ | depends on what you have to do, I found it pretty easy to configure for my needs when I used it on RH 5.1 |
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| 06:55.14 | streuner | dpkg, start an MTA war |
| 06:55.14 | dpkg | sendmail owns |
| 06:55.15 | jordo23 | Anyone here familar with Kontact? |
| 06:55.28 | fireba11 | still on debian exim is pretty well preconfigured :-) |
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| 06:55.49 | fireba11 | streuner: need to improve that one :-) |
| 06:55.55 | streuner | hm |
| 06:55.55 | bob2 | jordo23: might have more luck in #debian-kde |
| 06:56.08 | jordo23 | bob2: I tried....no one listening there. |
| 06:56.27 | streuner | fireba11: well, you unterstood was dpkg said... |
| 06:56.40 | jordo23 | I am just wondering if there is a good way to sink Outlook and kontact through some kind of groupware method. |
| 06:56.55 | fireba11 | streuner: i mean it's a pretty lame try to start a MTA war :-) |
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| 06:57.51 | fireba11 | whoops .. latest news says webmin got a security problem allowing root access ^^ |
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| 06:58.05 | Chrysalid | fireba11 where? |
| 06:58.15 | streuner | s/was/what/ |
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| 06:58.30 | deeler | who knows module-assistant ? |
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| 06:58.45 | fireba11 | Chrysalid: webmin page providing a fix already |
| 06:58.56 | deeLer | who knows module-assistant ? |
| 06:59.02 | darkcmd | good night everyone |
| 06:59.07 | Chrysalid | argh... I gotta update rite now |
| 06:59.07 | deeLer | bbye |
| 06:59.24 | deadcat | deeLer: just ask your q. |
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| 06:59.31 | deadcat | deeLer: nevermind. bye |
| 06:59.33 | user12 | is there a place to get a .deb of cedega? |
| 06:59.43 | fireba11 | http://www.lac.co.jp/business/sns/intelligence/SNSadvisory_e/83_e.html |
| 06:59.44 | deadcat | user12: have you tried search? |
| 06:59.44 | user12 | preconfigured .deb |
| 06:59.45 | user12 | ? |
| 06:59.48 | fireba11 | http://www.gentoo.org/security/en/glsa/glsa-200509-17.xml |
| 07:00.07 | user12 | deadcat? searching the web? yes |
| 07:00.07 | fireba11 | Chrysalid: you can read up those two links about details |
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| 07:00.27 | deadcat | user12: probably not available then. |
| 07:00.30 | Chrysalid | but that's only for 1.220 |
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| 07:00.36 | Chrysalid | I have 1.230 :> |
| 07:00.36 | deeLer | okay: i've installed module assistant to compile a module for adaptec aic79xx .. i can download the source code for aic79xx, but how do i add it to the list of moduleassistant? |
| 07:01.10 | deadcat | deeLer: have you man m-a lately? lets do that |
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| 07:01.22 | bob2 | user12: www.transgaming.com |
| 07:01.25 | deeLer | okay |
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| 07:02.51 | deeLer | i've tried the -k arg in m-a ... |
| 07:02.57 | deeLer | no good |
| 07:03.05 | deeLer | any ideas ? |
| 07:03.51 | deadcat | deeLer: m-a -k /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` -t build module-source |
| 07:03.59 | fireba11 | Chrysalid: oh, okay .. message sounded liek it was a problem with the newsest version |
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| 07:05.17 | Chrysalid | I installed MySQL, but I can't find the config file to setup users and passwords for it. Anyone know where it is? |
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| 07:05.44 | jerome | hum, I can't remember the apt / dpkg option to issue to renew to default the config of some package. |
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| 07:05.46 | deeLer | deadcat, the source code for the module is in /root/scsi/aic79xx/ |
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| 07:05.59 | jerome | dpkg --force-confnew maybe |
| 07:06.09 | jerome | Chrysalid: it's a table within mysql :) |
| 07:06.25 | deeLer | is that okay ? |
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| 07:06.38 | deadcat | deeLer: you didnt get it via apt-get install aic79xx-source ? |
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| 07:06.57 | rjalex | is there an irc channel devoted to debian on laptops ? |
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| 07:07.05 | deeLer | can't find a package like that |
| 07:07.13 | deeLer | i got the source from the adaptec site |
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| 07:07.51 | liable | rjalex: dont think so, whats wrong. |
| 07:08.11 | rjalex | liable: thank you, can anyone help me understanding why tpb+xosd does not show anything ? nvram device ok, bob in nvram group |
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| 07:08.42 | liable | rjalex: tpb? thinkpad buttons? |
| 07:09.01 | rjalex | liable: yup tpb |
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| 07:09.20 | rjalex | liable tpb 0.6.4 |
| 07:09.30 | liable | rjalex: which buttons you trying to get working? |
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| 07:09.59 | rjalex | liable: just wanted to see the volume level for now |
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| 07:11.04 | rjalex | liable: also tried to use the xosd_cat command but nothing appears on the screen |
| 07:11.05 | liable | rjalex: hrm, i got a tp, but never bothered with tpb. dont know anything about it. try the linux-thinkpad mailing list |
| 07:11.16 | rjalex | liable: thank you |
| 07:11.37 | rjalex | liable: what model do you own ? I have a T40 |
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| 07:11.45 | liable | rjalex: r40 |
| 07:11.51 | deadcat | deeLer: then you dont compile it with m-a, do it the old fashion way |
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| 07:12.51 | trollboy | is there a way to list installed packages? |
| 07:13.00 | rjalex | trollboy: dpkg -l |
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| 07:14.23 | Guerin | rjalex: |grep ^ii |
| 07:14.49 | tkooda | has anyone implimented some sort of Release.gpg verification with apt < 0.6? (i.e. in sarge) |
| 07:14.49 | rjalex | guerin: correct |
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| 07:15.03 | deadcat | why not just dpkg --get-selections |
| 07:15.10 | Guerin | rjalex: i know |
| 07:15.13 | Guerin | deadcat: no reason |
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| 07:15.21 | deadcat | shame on you |
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| 07:18.16 | deeLer | how do i compile a module ? i get /Rules.make no such file |
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| 07:19.36 | liable | deeLer: you read the readme, in the source.. |
| 07:19.44 | vagabund | po i drink too mutch - think about Hurricans - |
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| 07:20.04 | deeLer | there isn't any |
| 07:20.04 | Guerin | deadcat: man make-kpkg |
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| 07:20.09 | Guerin | deeLer: ^^ |
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| 07:20.30 | deeLer | ? |
| 07:20.36 | Guerin | vagabund: just step away from the computer. Go and pass out in a corner or something. |
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| 07:20.42 | Guerin | deeLer: man make-kpkg |
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| 07:21.01 | Guerin | deeLer: it tells you how to build additional modules. Also look into module-assistant. |
| 07:21.01 | liable | deeLer: there are no instructions in the source dir? |
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| 07:21.27 | vagabund | Guerin: if I step away from the computer I die -;) |
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| 07:21.54 | deeLer | no , i've downloaded the module source code from the adaptec site .. tried m-a, but i can't get it in the list of available modules ... |
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| 07:22.03 | vagabund | Guerin: thanks for kidden! |
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| 07:22.43 | Guerin | vagabund: ok, if you must remain at your computer, go and troll on /. or something. |
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| 07:23.31 | vagabund | oh shes interrestet in me - |
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| 07:23.43 | son | asl |
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| 07:24.30 | Guerin | son: ask vagabund |
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| 07:25.25 | kshdk | pd |
| 07:25.30 | kshdk | hey |
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| 07:25.34 | kshdk | master |
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| 07:25.39 | kshdk | are u a girl |
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| 07:25.56 | Anders | what |
| 07:26.22 | kshdk | i wanna talk to you anders |
| 07:26.30 | Anders | why |
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| 07:26.50 | deadcat | Anders: he thinks you're a chick and hes fucking horny and lonely |
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| 07:26.57 | Anders | ahaha |
| 07:27.34 | kshdk | lol! asl? |
| 07:27.40 | kshdk | hehehehe |
| 07:27.53 | deadcat | kshdk: take that to a private channel please |
| 07:28.09 | kshdk | ok |
| 07:28.36 | kshdk | i wanna talk! asl? |
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| 07:29.17 | Anders | you are already talking |
| 07:29.21 | kshdk | hey |
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| 07:29.42 | vineet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:30.09 | fireba11 | for even |
| 07:30.10 | kshdk | 20,male phil |
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| 07:30.20 | Anders | .. |
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| 07:30.28 | liable | kshdk: how about you /part |
| 07:30.30 | Anders | 90,gurl,phil |
| 07:30.58 | kshdk | wow im in phil tooo |
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| 07:31.59 | coywolf | how to delete a word backward in tcsh? |
| 07:32.00 | Guerin | kshdk: we don't what to know about your boyfriend |
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| 07:32.06 | deadcat | why dont you two just meet each other and get a motel and fuck all night... |
| 07:32.09 | vagabund | what a nice place to join - |
| 07:32.10 | bob2 | haha tcsh |
| 07:32.13 | deeLer | [sigh] - is it anyway possible to boot debian from a 39320 scsi controller... i'm out of ideas |
| 07:32.17 | peterS | coywolf: probably alt-backspace like other shells |
| 07:32.18 | Guerin | actually, just fucking off would be fine |
| 07:32.27 | Guerin | I don't much care what they do |
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| 07:32.36 | deeLer | dag slurper |
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| 07:32.37 | bob2 | deeLer: it's not fixed yet? |
| 07:32.56 | deeLer | man man bob2 ... i'm getting nerveous ... :) |
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| 07:33.20 | coywolf | peterS, i like the ctrl-w in bash, anything similar in tcsh? |
| 07:33.28 | peterS | coywolf: why are you using tcsh? |
| 07:33.35 | deeLer | i must say, i'm not quite experienced with all the modules/compiling thing ... |
| 07:33.38 | deadcat | coywolf: man tcsh |
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| 07:34.02 | coywolf | peterS, small mem |
| 07:34.07 | Guerin | ... |
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| 07:34.08 | coywolf | deadcat, what to grep? |
| 07:34.17 | deadcat | coywolf: no clue. |
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| 07:34.19 | Guerin | how small? |
| 07:34.26 | Guerin | really |
| 07:34.30 | bob2 | deeLer: didn't you have this problem yesterday? |
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| 07:34.38 | deadcat | coywolf: tcsh vs bash? small mem? can you really tell the diff? |
| 07:34.39 | Guerin | is a shell going to make that much memory difference? |
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| 07:34.50 | pacman | what? tcsh, the shell that invented programmable completion and the "DING!" in the prompt, being used as a _small_ shell? |
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| 07:35.11 | peterS | pacman: behold the power of bash bloat |
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| 07:35.28 | pacman | anyway, bindkey '^w' backward-delete-word |
| 07:35.43 | pacman | or bindkey -v and use the proper vi command db/dB |
| 07:35.44 | deeLer | bob2 , yep, now entering day 2 :) |
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| 07:35.57 | jm_ | Guerin: it can, I've had zsh use 60M |
| 07:36.19 | bob2 | deeLer: did you find the bug report yet? |
| 07:36.20 | pacman | well, you can make zsh eat infinite memory if you want. |
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| 07:36.54 | Guerin | jm_: eep |
| 07:37.10 | nimak | is qmail good if i want to run a mailserver for multiple users, with pop3 support? |
| 07:37.16 | Guerin | nimak: no. |
| 07:37.23 | deeLer | bob2, no ... that would probably take a couple weeks until that bug is resolved ... i'm now trying to manually compile a module from the adaptec site |
| 07:37.28 | bob2 | nimak: no |
| 07:37.29 | Guerin | nimak: exim4 and postfix are good. |
| 07:37.36 | Guerin | qmail is never good. |
| 07:37.39 | peterS | nimak: you won't get a lot of qmail fans in here. it's not free software so it's not in debian. |
| 07:37.41 | bob2 | deeLer: that's pretty unlikely to be the case |
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| 07:38.07 | pacman | qmail's only problem is a slightly outside-the-norm license, which isn't even as bad as some of the stuff that's in Debian main |
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| 07:38.16 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:38.30 | nimak | is there any way to not use system accounts? |
| 07:38.33 | bob2 | pacman: and things defaulting to boucning mail sent to non-existing users |
| 07:38.35 | Guerin | qmail's license necessitates that it be distributed with a broken default config |
| 07:38.44 | Guerin | the triple-spam issue |
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| 07:38.53 | Guerin | !postfix howto |
| 07:38.54 | dpkg | well, postfix howto is see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
| 07:39.02 | pacman | OK, it does too much accepting-and-bouncing. |
| 07:39.10 | bob2 | nimak: http://kirb.insanegenius.net/postfix.html |
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| 07:39.40 | deeLer | i'm gonna try knoppix now ... if it detects the scsi card, ill do a hd drive install .. it's basically the same as debian right ? |
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| 07:40.00 | deadcat | deeLer: sure |
| 07:40.03 | bob2 | deeLer: not if youre planning to run a server |
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| 07:40.15 | Guerin | deeLer: no. if you want to use debian, i suggest you use debootstrap to install it from within knoppix. You can use the knoppix kernel to boot off, if you need to. |
| 07:40.18 | bob2 | deeLer: you can run debootstrap off knoppix to install Debian |
| 07:40.35 | nimak | thanks |
| 07:40.41 | Guerin | deeLer: once you have a working kernel source, it should be trivial to build your own. |
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| 07:41.16 | Guerin | deadcat: step away from the crack pipe. |
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| 07:41.31 | litage_ | when setting up vlans, if i want ports 1-4 in vlan1, would i set ports 1-4 as "untagged", and ports 5+ as "forbid"? |
| 07:41.34 | deeLer | okay ... this points out a new solution for me ... never did a bootstrap install ... got some more info on that ? |
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| 07:42.07 | deeLer | now dling the latest knoppix , i sure hope it detects the scsi, this is my last resort |
| 07:42.15 | bob2 | deeLer: "sudo debootstrap woody ./woody http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/" |
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| 07:42.41 | deeLer | bob2, /woody ? i guess i need sarge amd64 |
| 07:42.45 | helpme | can i ask a newbie question? |
| 07:42.47 | deeLer | it's on a Xeon |
| 07:42.50 | AM|R | hi .. how can i monitor any log by display on my screen in every log errors.. eg the auth.log is appear on my screen when every log appear |
| 07:42.51 | deeLer | sure helpme |
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| 07:43.05 | bob2 | deeLer: you'll need to change as appririate |
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| 07:43.14 | deadcat | sure we might not answer it |
| 07:43.18 | bob2 | AM|R: tail -f /var/log/auth.log |
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| 07:43.27 | EdLin | !tell helpme about ask |
| 07:43.28 | litage_ | helpme: just ask. you don't need to ask for permission to ask. we're all friendly in here |
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| 07:43.31 | AM|R | thanks |
| 07:43.35 | pacman | put your username in /etc/syslog.conf as a destination, and it'll be written to your terminal where you're logged in |
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| 07:43.44 | deeLer | what's appririate ? (sorry, english 2nd language) |
| 07:43.53 | helpme | why do u all use debain?:) |
| 07:43.57 | EdLin | !u |
| 07:43.58 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:44.01 | Guerin | !why debian |
| 07:44.01 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 07:44.05 | Guerin | !debain |
| 07:44.05 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 07:44.10 | deeLer | helpme, ease of admin |
| 07:44.11 | Guerin | helpme: :) |
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| 07:44.25 | Guerin | helpme: it's the only distro I've found that's not crap. |
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| 07:44.39 | bob2 | deeLer: "appropriate", my speling is horrendous |
| 07:44.44 | helpme | but its got old kde & gnome....not so excititng is it? |
| 07:44.51 | deadcat | helpme: www.debian.org and read the stuff there. |
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| 07:45.09 | trollboy | helpme, you can install newer stuff if you want |
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| 07:45.19 | Guerin | helpme: but it doesn't break, and you don't have to reinstall it when the main version changes ... or ever. |
| 07:45.22 | trollboy | no one ever said you couldn't |
| 07:45.23 | EdLin | helpme: software doesn't stop working just because it has a somewhat lower version number. |
| 07:45.33 | streuner | helpme: Do you really think we want use _OLD_ software? ;-) |
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| 07:45.40 | deeLer | okay bob2 ... will you be here in a couple of hours .. after i've got a change to burn the damn slow downloading knoppix iso |
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| 07:45.47 | bob2 | don't know |
| 07:45.50 | helpme | can i upgrade to kde 3.4.2 if i want? and install newer stuff from say sid without breaking my system? |
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| 07:45.55 | deeLer | bob2, ill try the bootstrap then |
| 07:46.01 | Guerin | helpme: depends how good you are. |
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| 07:46.09 | bob2 | helpme: if you have no idea what you're doing, that is not a good idea |
| 07:46.09 | Guerin | helpme: i'd hazard a guess not. |
| 07:46.12 | trollboy | helpme, there's also installing from source as well |
| 07:46.14 | streuner | helpme: no |
| 07:46.21 | streuner | helpme: look at the /topic |
| 07:46.30 | Guerin | I have kde 3.4 working from sid; no issues. |
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| 07:46.42 | Guerin | then again, i can fix things when they break. |
| 07:46.50 | Guerin | usually |
| 07:46.54 | helpme | right now im on kanotix (dont mind plz) and its mostly debain sid....its 99% pure debian......or correct me if im wrong? |
| 07:46.58 | streuner | helpme: its bad now to switch to unstable even for people with experience |
| 07:47.08 | Guerin | helpme: the devil is in the details. |
| 07:47.10 | EdLin | !kanotix |
| 07:47.10 | dpkg | methinks kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) |
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| 07:47.32 | deeLer | helpme, why not go for the real thing ? |
| 07:47.38 | Guerin | kanotix is fine if you never upgrade it. |
| 07:47.49 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: or look at it funny |
| 07:47.54 | Guerin | when you try to actually USE it like a real OS that it fucks up |
| 07:47.59 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:48.06 | deeLer | helpme, you're level of support will be much higher if you go for pure debian |
| 07:48.16 | helpme | deeLer: I'd love to.....but ive to upgrade kde...and my connection is a bit slow |
| 07:48.16 | Guerin | or install any packages which haven't been given the explicit go-ahead |
| 07:48.21 | helpme | and expensive too |
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| 07:48.32 | Guerin | helpme: nobody NEEDS to upgrade kde. |
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| 07:48.51 | helpme | kde 3.3 is much slower than 3.4 |
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| 07:48.56 | deadcat | just shutup and install it. if you dont like it. remove it |
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| 07:49.02 | helpme | thats the only complaint i have with debian] |
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| 07:49.27 | helpme | i thought this was a friendly channel! |
| 07:49.34 | EdLin | helpme: if KDE is too slow for you may I suggest running something besides KDE/GNOME? |
| 07:49.34 | Guerin | helpme: consider this: if you download and reinstall kanotix every time a new version of kde is released, you're burning a lot more bandwidth than if you simply upgrade it from plain debian. |
| 07:49.39 | Guerin | helpme: this IS friendly. |
| 07:49.54 | Guerin | helpme: edlin is right. most everything is slower than kde. |
| 07:49.57 | Guerin | err |
| 07:49.58 | Guerin | faster |
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| 07:50.06 | EdLin | Guerin: that's not what I said. ;-) |
| 07:50.07 | deadcat | helpme: i am just telling you how things work. we are not here to kiss your ass. |
| 07:50.16 | daxxar | hm. Where can I find msgtool? (System V IPC Message Queue manipulation tool) |
| 07:50.17 | deadcat | !beer Guerin |
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| 07:50.29 | daxxar | I tried searching on debian.org, couldn't find jack. |
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| 07:50.48 | liable | deeLer: the modules for that card arent in newer kernels? |
| 07:50.56 | deadcat | jack - Rip and encode CDs with one command |
| 07:51.33 | deeLer | liable, well ... i thought so, lsmod even tells me they are loaded (aic79xx) ... but no entry or whatsoever in /proc/scsi .. no busscan either ... |
| 07:51.37 | vagabund | who was friendly? I take hims in my arms! |
| 07:51.45 | pablob | deadcat: is it better than abcde ? |
| 07:51.54 | helpme | a good book on debian....recommend plz? |
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| 07:52.08 | deadcat | pablob: dont know. never used abcde before. |
| 07:52.10 | deeLer | the card is a bit strange, on the chip it says "Adaptec 39320/Dell" |
| 07:52.15 | liable | deeLer: ah. |
| 07:52.17 | deadcat | helpme: linux cookbook |
| 07:52.18 | deeLer | maybe it's a special firmware |
| 07:52.27 | coywolf | !zsh |
| 07:52.27 | dpkg | zsh is probably at http://www.zsh.org (Powerful UNIX shell), usage tips at http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/zsh/tips.html, or good article here: http://www.daemonnews.org/199910/zsh.html, or much more powerful than bash, or going from bash to zsh is like switching from redhat to debian, or #zsh, or postpone questions until finishing http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Guide/ |
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| 07:52.40 | liable | deeLer: whats lspci say? |
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| 07:53.33 | deeLer | liable, RAID bus controller: Adpatec ASC39320(B) U320 w/HostRAID (rev 10) |
| 07:53.50 | deeLer | liable, i don't use raid , only one disk |
| 07:54.03 | liable | deeLer: it has a bios? |
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| 07:54.09 | deeLer | liable, yes |
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| 07:54.28 | liable | deeLer: you played around in there? set it to on? |
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| 07:55.04 | Guerin | helpme: the Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible was written by some DDs - available on amazon etc. |
| 07:55.16 | deeLer | liable, not much to change in the bios, cache, device id, cdromboot support, interrup 13 on/off .. and raid creation |
| 07:55.19 | helpme | Guerin: thx |
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| 07:55.25 | euler | Hi |
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| 07:55.38 | deeLer | liable, hold on i'll reboot and check for a bios setting |
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| 07:55.49 | liable | deeLer: i can set my bios to off on mine, and then no disks show up.. dunno if yours does the same |
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| 07:56.09 | deeLer | liable, the bios finds my disk |
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| 07:56.58 | deeLer | liable, no "enable bios" setting, i guess it's default enabeld |
| 07:57.12 | liable | deeLer: your sure the card works? |
| 07:57.39 | deeLer | yes, 100% windows runs on a disk connected to it |
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| 08:00.33 | liable | deeLer: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/05/msg00519.html |
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| 08:01.04 | Carlosmaug | doen anybody know how to use ACL's over NFS? |
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| 08:01.33 | Carlosmaug | I've compiles Kernel to have NFSv4 support |
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| 08:01.53 | deeLer | liable, i read that before, they say: "marked as done" !? what's the solution ? |
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| 08:02.23 | deeLer | "i felt quite desperate" , hehe , i know exactly what this guy means |
| 08:02.52 | liable | deeLer: did you try the iso? have you actually got anything installed on it? |
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| 08:03.49 | deeLer | liable, i did try the iso , did'nt work for me |
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| 08:04.37 | liable | deeLer: bugger. |
| 08:04.40 | deeLer | liable, i've only got windows on it (as a test) maybe i should try CentOS so i can use the RedHat AS server drivers ... but that would be so un-debian |
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| 08:06.03 | Dewi | coywolf: the first 2 urls in that factoid are 404's |
| 08:06.18 | coywolf | Dewi, indeed |
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| 08:06.53 | jm_ | no they aren't - www.zsh.org works just fine |
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| 08:07.30 | Dewi | jm_: oops. 2-3 then. |
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| 08:08.27 | jm_ | I think caphuso had some interesting session in #zsh, maybe that's logged somewhere |
| 08:08.30 | dimir | Morning. |
| 08:08.31 | jm_ | sort of on-line tutorial |
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| 08:18.02 | hcy | anyone know of a good 'dj' app, that will allow selecting a song from a list and fading into it live? |
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| 08:18.24 | tengulre | hcy: xmms! |
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| 08:18.57 | hcy | tengulre: yes? |
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| 08:19.06 | hcy | tengulre: xmms can do that? |
| 08:19.52 | tengulre | hcy: It can do I think !! :) |
| 08:20.18 | hcy | tengulre: ok i'll look into it thanks |
| 08:20.28 | jm_ | xmms-crossfade - XMMS Plugin for Crossfading / Continuous Output |
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| 08:20.36 | jm_ | took about 0.53s |
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| 08:21.00 | hcy | jm_: thanks |
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| 08:21.17 | Skywind | Does anyone know how to modify the color of screen that displayed before gnome-splash(after gdm login)? thx~ |
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| 08:21.44 | fireba11 | Skywind: you tried #gnome ? |
| 08:21.53 | hcy | Skywind: a magic marker always works for me |
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| 08:22.06 | fireba11 | !smite hcy |
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| 08:22.23 | hcy | mmmmm Turkey |
| 08:22.27 | hcy | :) |
| 08:22.31 | Skywind | fireba11, yes, but no answer :) |
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| 08:22.50 | Skywind | hcy ? which? |
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| 08:22.54 | fireba11 | Skywind: ah well .. its gnome ;-) |
| 08:22.58 | sanxiyn | "Anyway in absolute desperation I tried (after searching for crack, warez) $ apt-cache search" -- planet.debian.org |
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| 08:23.20 | Skywind | fireba11, ;-)))) |
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| 08:23.44 | liable | Skywind: time for a diet? four chins! |
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| 08:24.18 | fireba11 | ^^! |
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| 08:25.56 | pem3v78 | I change an initrd image mounted via loopback. I can see all files, but after reboot when a kernel uses the image some files are missing. what could be the reason ? |
| 08:26.04 | kreg | the ssh key pair i made works fine for linux boxes. however the private key doesn't work in putty for windows. any suggestions? |
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| 08:26.33 | M23 | on an apt source, what can I do if the Packages.gz is not a gziped file? |
| 08:26.35 | liable | kreg: you converted it with the putty tool for doing such? |
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| 08:26.38 | pem3v78 | kreg: have you converted the key ? |
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| 08:26.44 | M23 | it's plain text |
| 08:26.49 | kreg | no, didn't know it was different |
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| 08:27.06 | kreg | puttygen can read the priv and turn it into a ppk? |
| 08:27.22 | liable | kreg: yeah, i think thats the tool for it. |
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| 08:27.33 | jm_ | read putty docs, it's no Debian related |
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| 08:27.38 | kreg | thank you |
| 08:27.39 | jm_ | not* |
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| 08:33.55 | pem3v78 | is there a need to fsck an initrd image ? |
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| 08:35.25 | EdLin | pem3v78: no |
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| 08:37.11 | pem3v78 | how can I check if initrd breaks the rules of proper image ? |
| 08:37.36 | stew | pem3v78: what rules? |
| 08:37.39 | tengulre | hi,all , anybody use Debian under larger machine? like IBM/S390x. |
| 08:38.06 | tengulre | or develpot application under Debian? |
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| 08:38.19 | tengulre | like C/C++,Java, and so on. |
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| 08:39.04 | tengulre | I have a IBM/S390, I don't know which linux is best? |
| 08:39.12 | jm_ | we have ported our software to run on Linux for S390 |
| 08:39.14 | tengulre | Debian,Redhat,Gentoo? |
| 08:39.33 | M23 | I've got an apt-get update that fails because the Packages.gz is not gziped. Can I change apt to use the plain Packages file, not Packages.gz |
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| 08:39.38 | stew | tengulre: do Redhat and Gentoo have s390 ports? |
| 08:39.41 | pem3v78 | it's not broken, I don't know what's going on. When I mount the initrd the files are there. When kernel uses it during boot process files which are inside are missing |
| 08:39.55 | tengulre | stew, I don't know? |
| 08:39.56 | jm_ | pem3v78: then it's not using the same initrd image |
| 08:40.10 | stew | tengulre: i really doubt gentoo does |
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| 08:40.11 | Norbert | question: is there a way to make X usable by root (if I su root using an xterm)? I used to use xhost+, but that seems to no longer work on new installations |
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| 08:40.29 | jm_ | Norbert: /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot |
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| 08:40.35 | jm_ | sp yes, there are many ways |
| 08:40.38 | jm_ | sudo too |
| 08:40.41 | liable | M23: try another mirror and see what happens. |
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| 08:40.54 | Norbert | jm_: thanks |
| 08:40.54 | stew | tengulre: and for that matter, redhat doens't even support ppc does it? |
| 08:40.58 | pem3v78 | it is I dbl checked with md5sum |
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| 08:41.10 | M23 | liable: there isn't one. It's for gambas, not in the normal tree. |
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| 08:41.22 | jm_ | I doubt you can check with md5sum which image kernel uses |
| 08:41.23 | tengulre | stew: redhat can support IBM/S390! I think! |
| 08:41.39 | liable | M23: ah, then i guess you're screwed.. :P mail the admin.. |
| 08:41.41 | jm_ | or rather, which image your bootloader loads and passes to the kernel |
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| 08:42.06 | M23 | liable: looks like I'll be downloading and installing by hand then... |
| 08:42.32 | r3tex | where do i change my default keyboard layout? |
| 08:42.33 | stew | tengulre: yes, actually looks like they do |
| 08:42.35 | tengulre | jm_, what kind of application are your system? Game,Mail,Web.... |
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| 08:43.05 | jm_ | tengulre: no, it's a monitoring application for enterprise use |
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| 08:43.14 | tengulre | stew, my mean is which Linux is best for developt under IBM/S390? |
| 08:43.16 | stew | tengulre: but not gentoo: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/support.xml#requirements |
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| 08:43.23 | tengulre | jm_,Cool! |
| 08:44.13 | tengulre | stew, does the Debian GNU/Linux can do it? |
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| 08:44.20 | pem3v78 | this is what I got: EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended and then 'attempt to access beyond end of device' ? |
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| 08:44.38 | jm_ | your initrd image is ext2fs? |
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| 08:45.20 | pem3v78 | yes |
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| 08:45.25 | stew | tengulre: debian definately supports s390 |
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| 08:45.58 | stew | tengulre: http://www.us.debian.org/ports/s390/ |
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| 08:46.16 | tengulre | stew, thanks! :) |
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| 08:46.27 | jm_ | why is it using ext2? that can't be done the Debian way |
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| 08:47.06 | pem3v78 | it's a debian netinstall image |
| 08:47.27 | pem3v78 | I need to put some more things into it |
| 08:47.49 | vird | hello all ... I am trying to forward x to my laptop with ssh -X login@192.168.x.x and i can login to debian box ... when i try xclock i get Error:can't open display: the environment variable display is not set ... how do i sort this out ? |
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| 08:48.09 | jm_ | !tell vird -about sshx |
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| 08:48.11 | dondelelcaro | vird: do you have xauth on both machines? |
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| 08:48.30 | vird | dondelelcaro: yes |
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| 08:48.47 | dondelelcaro | vird: well, follow the other instructions in the sshx factoid for starters |
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| 08:49.07 | ndee | where does exim normally store it's log files? |
| 08:49.18 | ndee | found it |
| 08:49.19 | ndee | sorry |
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| 08:49.45 | Eclipser | ndee, next time try to do it the other way around :) |
| 08:50.28 | Trox | hello everyone! i'm looking for some help with apt-get. i'm trying to install unstable version of subversion (1.2.3), but "apt-get install -t unstable libapache2-svn subversion subversion-tools" installs the stable one (ver 1.1.4). can you help me resolve this? |
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| 08:50.44 | jm_ | pem3v78: which file is this? |
| 08:50.48 | litage_ | /etc/hosts contains only "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost". when i changed /etc/resolv.conf to use my new nameservers, running `sudo CMD` takes several seconds. how can i fix this? |
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| 08:51.02 | kreg | grr |
| 08:51.02 | ndee | Eclipser: I know ;) I just looked in the /var/log directory and all mail.log were empty. So I started to check which MTA I have installed and then found exim4 in /var/log :) |
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| 08:51.19 | r3tex | what is a transition package? |
| 08:51.19 | dondelelcaro | litage_: what does hostname; and hostname --fqdn return? |
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| 08:51.34 | dondelelcaro | litage_: how long does it take ping $(hostname) to start pinging? |
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| 08:51.43 | kreg | putty opens the open rsa formated key, loads it, and saves me a new private key. when i attempt to use the new privat key it doesn't work with the public key on the remote host. |
| 08:52.00 | dondelelcaro | r3tex: a package that depends on the new name of a package for the purpose of transitioning for users who already had the old package installed. |
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| 08:52.39 | r3tex | dondelelcaro: =/ there are no regular packages for sources higher than 2.6.8? |
| 08:52.47 | r3tex | my wifi likes kernels 2.6.11 and up |
| 08:52.50 | litage_ | dondelelcaro: `hostname` is instantaneous. `hostname --fqdn` fails with "hostname: Unknown host" |
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| 08:53.15 | dondelelcaro | !+info linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 08:53.20 | dpkg | linux-source-2.6.12: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.12 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.12-8 (sid), Packaged size: 35673 kB, Installed size: 35764 kB |
| 08:53.22 | dondelelcaro | r3tex: see above. |
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| 08:53.56 | vird | dondelelcaro, jm_ hmmz i have x11 forwarding enabled and xauth on both machines ... |
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| 08:54.11 | dondelelcaro | vird: have you restarted sshd on both machines since you enabled it? |
| 08:54.17 | jm_ | vird: obviously you don't - Debian disables it for clients too by default |
| 08:54.35 | zeng | hello, how can I remote login an X server? I can't remember the command |
| 08:54.51 | dondelelcaro | litage_: right; you need an entry for your hostname and your hostname's fqdn in /etc/hosts |
| 08:54.51 | vird | dondelelcaro: yes i rebooted a couple of times ... |
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| 08:55.03 | jm_ | zeng: via XDMCP |
| 08:55.18 | tengulre | zeng: VNC |
| 08:55.20 | zeng | jm_: yes |
| 08:55.20 | litage_ | dondelelcaro: `ping -c 1 $(hostname)` takes 4+ seconds to starting pinging |
| 08:55.24 | vird | jm_: i did go through a ton of howto's and so rest assured its enabled in /etc/ssh/* :) |
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| 08:55.31 | vird | on both the machines .. |
| 08:55.38 | dondelelcaro | litage_: yeah, your DNS servers suck; add an entry for your hostname |
| 08:55.40 | r3tex | dondelelcaro: =P where do i pick that up? |
| 08:55.46 | zeng | jm_: which command to use for XDMCP? |
| 08:55.49 | r3tex | i can't find it on packages.debian.org |
| 08:55.50 | dondelelcaro | r3tex: it's in unstable; probably also in testing by now |
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| 08:55.56 | jm_ | zeng: Xnest, startx, ... |
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| 08:56.09 | mhall | Hello, how do I set a hold on a package using the CLI? When I do this using aptitude, it just gets ignored, and so therefore the only tool that seems to work (no luck in synaptic either) is dselect. |
| 08:56.09 | dondelelcaro | r3tex: uh... packages.debian.org/linux-source-2.6.12 should have it... |
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| 08:56.10 | litage_ | dondelelcaro: why would my dns servers be so slow though? i'm running 2 dnscache and 2 tinydns servers |
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| 08:56.38 | dondelelcaro | litage_: dunno; try dig $(hostname); and see what they're doing. |
| 08:56.44 | liable | mhall: aptiitude works for me.. |
| 08:56.55 | jm_ | yeah it looks like netboot initrd image is using ext2 |
| 08:56.58 | mhall | liable: aptitude hold foobar flags a hold? |
| 08:57.06 | liable | mhall: yes |
| 08:57.16 | mhall | liable: Or am I missing something. Because when I do it aptitude and apt still try to mess with the package. |
| 08:57.25 | jm_ | vird: then use ssh debugging options to try and figure it out, but my bet is still on your setup |
| 08:57.26 | mhall | liable: But nothing tries to mess with it if I use = from dselect. |
| 08:57.42 | dondelelcaro | vird: grep X11Forward /etc/ssh/sshd_config; for us. |
| 08:58.04 | jm_ | and ssh_config too |
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| 08:59.06 | litage_ | dondelelcaro: what should be looking for within dig's output? |
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| 08:59.11 | liable | mhall: etch? |
| 08:59.18 | vird | debian# grep X11Forward /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 08:59.20 | vird | X11Forwarding yes |
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| 08:59.26 | mhall | liable: unstable |
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| 08:59.57 | mhall | liable: the feature is least likely to work in the place where it's most likely to need to work :-D |
| 09:00.18 | dondelelcaro | vird: and you're just using the original shell, right? ssh -X foohost env|grep DISPLAY doesn't return anything? |
| 09:00.24 | debian_newbie88 | how to re-configure postfix? |
| 09:00.32 | litage_ | debian_newbie88: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 09:00.37 | debian_newbie88 | thanks |
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| 09:00.44 | vird | |dennis|: yes |
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| 09:00.54 | liable | mhall: works on my sid box, but now you mention it, my etch box did ignore a hold, trying an upgrade now. |
| 09:01.15 | vird | dondelelcaro: i can login but no x application runs ... |
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| 09:01.25 | dondelelcaro | vird: that's not what I asked... |
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| 09:01.49 | liable | hrm, now i try, and my etch box *is* ignoring a hold... |
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| 09:01.58 | dondelelcaro | litage_: 1) did the name resolve; 2) where did it have to go to resolve the name 3) how long did it take to resolve the name 4) did the name resolve to your ip |
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| 09:03.25 | litage_ | thanks dondelelcaro. checking |
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| 09:04.56 | litage_ | dondelelcaro: stupid q, but which pkg does dig belong to? i can't find it in my apt-cache searches |
| 09:05.07 | jm_ | !tell litage_ -about search |
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| 09:06.36 | zeng | jm_: startx /quit |
| 09:06.40 | litage_ | nice. didn't know of apt-fie. thanks jm_ |
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| 09:07.16 | dondelelcaro | litage_: dnsutils iirc |
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| 09:07.37 | litage_ | thanks |
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| 09:09.04 | vagabund_ | who is vagabund? oh shit I need a new cherry - |
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| 09:09.19 | Carlosmaug | doen anybody know how to use ACL's over NFS? |
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| 09:10.06 | Carlosmaug | I've compiles Kernel to have NFSv4 support but I cant use ACL's when I mount the share resource |
| 09:10.06 | tengulre | hi,all |
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| 09:10.43 | tengulre | My Friend who are SOHO user ? my mean working at home! :) |
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| 09:12.55 | vagabund_ | a new cherry keyboard - because its all swimming here - |
| 09:13.12 | golly | I have a general Linux shell q. I'ce written a rsync script and tiggering it hourly with cron. How do I (a) open a shell with this script and (b) dump the output to a file AND the shell.... so I can monitor progress visually. |
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| 09:14.30 | jm_ | golly: man tee |
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| 09:15.30 | dondelelcaro | vagabund_: uh... none of that has anything whatsoever to do with #debian. |
| 09:16.03 | deeLer | okay, knoppix recognizes my scsi card just fine, now how do i do this bootstrapinstall prodcedure ? |
| 09:16.05 | fbi | dondelelcaro, that same user is always in here babbling nonsense |
| 09:16.26 | liable | unusual. i put udev on hold months back on my sid box, and it is the only thing that gets held back. i do it to my etch install, and it holds back lots of deps, like alsa, hal some x stuff etc. then i do a dist-upgrade, and udev gets installed, but other shit gets held back... |
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| 09:16.36 | fbi | i already ignored the other nick they use |
| 09:16.39 | golly | jm__ cool, will do |
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| 09:16.58 | fbi | at fist i thought it was some kind of lame bot |
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| 09:17.05 | fbi | s/fist/first/ |
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| 09:17.22 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: vagabund* |
| 09:17.27 | r3tex | what is the ati driver called in apt? |
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| 09:18.25 | EfaistOs | do you know what this error is about : hdd: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 09:18.25 | EfaistOs | hdd: packet command error: error=0x54 I cant mount cd anymore ? is my player dying |
| 09:18.28 | litage_ | dondelelcaro: dig returned results immediately: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jgHF4E29.html |
| 09:18.57 | dondelelcaro | litage_: yeah, it returned NXDOMAIN... |
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| 09:19.07 | litage_ | dondelelcaro: what does that mean? |
| 09:19.14 | dondelelcaro | litage_: not existant domain |
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| 09:19.34 | litage_ | ah |
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| 09:19.50 | dondelelcaro | litage_: anyway, the solution is to add an entry for your hostname (and fqdn) to /etc/hosts |
| 09:20.14 | dondelelcaro | something possibly like so: 127.0.0.1 archimedes.ucr.edu archimedes localhost localhost. ct.archimedes.ucr.edu |
| 09:20.25 | dondelelcaro | well, minus the last bit |
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| 09:21.25 | litage_ | dondelelcaro: oh wait a sec. `dig $(hostname)` failed because `hostname` returns "dingo" but my dns knows it as "dingo.internal.domain.com |
| 09:21.43 | jm_ | ad search to resolv.conf |
| 09:21.46 | jm_ | add* |
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| 09:22.46 | litage_ | jm_: it's already in there: search internal.domain.com |
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| 09:23.18 | jm_ | litage_: then it should work just fine |
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| 09:23.58 | [ws] | I can change mount the share, edit files, but not create or remove files. |
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| 09:24.03 | litage_ | thanks for your help, dondelelcaro and jm_ |
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| 09:27.49 | BriajWrk | hi all |
| 09:28.19 | litage_ | howdy BriajWrk |
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| 09:30.15 | K1 | hi, how do i match all messages from a remote host in the syslog.conf-File and save them in a file? |
| 09:30.31 | jm_ | K1: syslog-ng |
| 09:30.57 | K1 | jm_: Not possible with the standard syslog? Ok. |
| 09:31.01 | jm_ | K1: no |
| 09:31.19 | K1 | thanks! |
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| 09:33.51 | liable | hrm, what file is the hold for dpkg in? |
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| 09:34.13 | jm_ | why does it matter? you don't have to edit the files by hand |
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| 09:34.24 | jm_ | and aptitude's hold is not quite the same I think |
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| 09:40.28 | cyberdrek | anybody know where I could find the config file that was used to compile the kernel for etch(testing)? |
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| 09:40.52 | dondelelcaro | cyberdrek: install the kernel you are using, and the configuration file is in /boot |
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| 09:41.00 | Heimidal | does anyone have any idea why http://www.heimidal.net would display "Did you mean: www.heimidal.net" when there is a CNAME setup for www.heimidal.net. -> heimidal.net. and http://heimidal.net works? |
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| 09:41.30 | Deek | /proc/config.gz |
| 09:41.39 | cyberdrek | Deek: thanks. |
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| 09:41.58 | dondelelcaro | Heimidal: works fine here |
| 09:42.05 | Heimidal | dondelelcaro: hrm... |
| 09:42.08 | Heimidal | that's odd |
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| 09:42.46 | row2 | when I try to install php4 in unstable apt-get forces me to install apache2 even tho I have apache1.3 install is there a way to force the package to not install or say its installed when its not or something? |
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| 09:43.46 | sandman | So one has to compile their own kernel to use the driver .bin downloaded from nvidia.com? I apt-get install'd the kernel-headers for my kernel, but it says that the module was compiled for a different kernel |
| 09:43.55 | sandman | Even though it wasn't. |
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| 09:44.32 | cahoot | sandman: module-assistant took care of it all for me |
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| 09:45.16 | jedd | sandman: apparently there are ways around this, but i've always ended up having to compile the kernel. maybe the kernel-image src deb might help you. |
| 09:45.51 | EdLin | sandman: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 09:45.52 | cyberdrek | dondelelcaro thanks man. I thanked the wrong guy. |
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| 09:48.39 | sandman | module-assistant is really easy |
| 09:48.46 | possie | is there a tool that can monitor my processes on my box? and draw a nice graph ? |
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| 09:49.33 | liable | jm_: i am not wanting to edit them, merely just trying to work out where the hold is actually documented, and compare two systems. |
| 09:49.38 | jm_ | graphs of what? |
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| 09:49.46 | jm_ | liable: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 09:50.56 | liable | jm_: and doing that edits what file? |
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| 09:51.40 | jm_ | liable: /msg doesn't edit any files ;) |
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| 09:52.45 | sandman | Okay, module-assistant appeared to work, except that it doesn't. |
| 09:52.47 | jm_ | but dpkg edits the status file |
| 09:52.47 | liable | jm_: hehe, well you know what i mean. |
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| 09:53.45 | rjalex | two aptitude questions. (1) how to use aptitude to install a locally downloaded file (so it recalls the manual install) ? (2) How to obtain a clean, readable list of packages which have been explicitely installed (like debfoster keepers) ? Thank you in advance. Bob |
| 09:54.03 | liable | jm_: where does it say about holding, i must need spectacles.. :) |
| 09:54.33 | seeeS | well, you can use dpkg for local installs |
| 09:55.03 | seeeS | for a list dpkg -l can help, or dpkg --get-selections |
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| 09:55.10 | jerome | hum, I'm still working on horde from debian. I can't login no matter what auth backend I use. Just like http://mail.google.com/mail/?&ik=6c0e897b2a&search=spam&view=tl&start=0 . Any idea ? |
| 09:55.13 | rjalex | seeeS: thanks that I know. Was asking if aptitude could keep track of manually explicitely installed also for local packages |
| 09:55.44 | liable | jm_: not meaning to bug you, but i am damned if i can find what file actually does it. aptitude pkgstatus does have status levels, but its not really documented as to what the levels are (or i cant find it0 |
| 09:55.52 | seeeS | hmm, horde just asks the pop server iirc |
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| 09:56.10 | Cope | Hmm, scim-chinese has no installation candidate in testing, but is present in stable and in unstable! What's the best way to get this installed? |
| 09:56.17 | Cope | (In that I am running testing) |
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| 09:56.35 | liable | dondelelcaro: you awake? |
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| 09:57.02 | seeeS | cope: look at the dependencies and choose which one |
| 09:57.02 | dondelelcaro | liable: ? |
| 09:57.15 | Cope | seeeS: /me looks at packages.debian... |
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| 09:57.43 | liable | dondelelcaro: sorry to bother you, but if i put a package on hold with either apt or aptitude, where is that hold info actually kept? |
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| 09:58.31 | dondelelcaro | liable: apt obeys /var/lib/dpkg/status; aptitude obeys both it and /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates |
| 09:58.34 | jm_ | liable: I told you that I believe aptitude's hold is not the same |
| 09:58.38 | dondelelcaro | liable: aptitude only stores information in the latter. |
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| 09:59.12 | rjalex | how to obtain a readable list of packages I manually selected to be installed with aptitude ? |
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| 10:00.22 | liable | dondelelcaro: dont know where the package level numbers are documented for aptitude? |
| 10:00.22 | jimmyxx | Hi, i've just installed debian sarg - stable, It came with apache2 installed, i've just run apt-get install php4, for some reason when I try to load a php file it offers me to download it. Ive greped "php" in the etc/apache2/ files and uncommented out the two mentions of it. can anyone help me? |
| 10:01.08 | liable | jm_: sorry, i got udev on hold, and always use aptitude, looking at dpkg status didnt enlighten me, try apt-get update tries to install udev.. |
| 10:01.40 | liable | err, upgrade.. |
| 10:01.50 | pablob | jimmyxx: a2enmod php4 ? |
| 10:02.05 | jimmyxx | whats a2enmod? |
| 10:02.15 | liable | dondelelcaro: sorry, meant package state numbers.. |
| 10:02.24 | pablob | a2 enable module |
| 10:02.29 | jimmyxx | i actually want apache1 installed |
| 10:02.45 | jimmyxx | where should i run that command? |
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| 10:02.52 | pablob | aptitude install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 10:03.19 | jimmyxx | will aptitude only pull from stable sources? |
| 10:03.34 | jimmyxx | and how do I update it? ie apt-get i update like apt-get update |
| 10:03.43 | fireba11 | ?? |
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| 10:04.02 | pablob | depends on your sources.list |
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| 10:04.39 | pablob | I dont understand... you mean aptitude update |
| 10:04.45 | jimmyxx | wicked:/home/jimmy# a2enmod php4 |
| 10:04.45 | jimmyxx | This module does not exist! |
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| 10:05.00 | Heimidal | jimmyxx: wicked? |
| 10:05.06 | jimmyxx | wicked:/home/jimmy# apt-get install php4 |
| 10:05.06 | jimmyxx | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 10:05.06 | jimmyxx | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 10:05.06 | jimmyxx | php4 is already the newest version. |
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| 10:05.13 | fireba11 | can you guys stop making no sense at all please ? |
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| 10:05.26 | Heimidal | again, wicked? |
| 10:05.32 | shay | fireba11, ? |
| 10:05.55 | pablob | jimmyxx: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 10:05.55 | jimmyxx | wicked is my computers name? |
| 10:06.05 | Heimidal | wondering if it was a reference to anything |
| 10:06.18 | Heimidal | I am always curious about how people name their computers :P |
| 10:06.26 | jimmyxx | nah guy at work just choose it last night when he installed it for me |
| 10:06.30 | jimmyxx | coz i say wicked a lot |
| 10:06.36 | liable | ok, two boxes, pkgstate for aptitude is the same status numbers for udev on both boxes, one holds udev, one upgrades it. why? |
| 10:06.48 | Heimidal | ah |
| 10:06.54 | fbi | Heimidal: i named mine 'sarge' and 'etch' because i'm crazy like that |
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| 10:07.02 | Heimidal | fbi: :P |
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| 10:07.28 | fireba11 | liable: dependencies ? |
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| 10:07.51 | liable | fireba11: its on hold, both boxes. |
| 10:07.59 | fireba11 | liable: ^^ |
| 10:08.02 | liable | fireba11: or supposed to be. |
| 10:08.18 | jimmyxx | i don't get it - now the test.php file works, it just prints hello, but one of my old larger projects still trys to make me download the files?! |
| 10:08.34 | fireba11 | jimmyxx: clear browser cache |
| 10:09.13 | fireba11 | jimmyxx: if php is not run but just delivered in source code it gets stuck in the cache usually ^^ |
| 10:09.40 | liable | fireba11: can you explain why if its on hold, and all packages that depend on it, are also subsequently on hold, why it wants to upgrade? |
| 10:09.44 | fireba11 | jimmyxx: so empty it and refresh |
| 10:09.52 | jimmyxx | Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() |
| 10:10.03 | fireba11 | liable: sorry, got no clue either |
| 10:10.18 | liable | bugger |
| 10:10.29 | fireba11 | jimmyxx: sounds like mysql module is missing .. |
| 10:10.36 | jimmyxx | fireba11: that worked but now it doesn't know what the mysql functions are |
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| 10:11.07 | fireba11 | jimmyxx: what php version did you install ? also do a phpinfo() to check if mysql-support is compiled in |
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| 10:12.05 | jimmyxx | just php4 |
| 10:12.35 | jimmyxx | i just did apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 10:12.53 | fireba11 | okay .. then check what ppinfo(); says |
| 10:12.57 | fireba11 | phpinfo even |
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| 10:13.39 | liable | funnily its the etch box, not the sid box thats giving the problem.. |
| 10:14.00 | jimmyxx | supported databases MySQL ODBC PostgreSQL Microsoft SQL Server FrontBase Oracle 8 (oci8) Sybase-CT |
| 10:14.15 | jimmyxx | thats from phpinfo within the dbx section |
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| 10:15.20 | fireba11 | hum |
| 10:15.33 | fireba11 | you messed with php configuration ? |
| 10:16.33 | jimmyxx | no ? |
| 10:16.49 | jimmyxx | haven't touched anything outside the default options :( |
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| 10:18.03 | fireba11 | weird |
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| 10:18.27 | jimmyxx | i dont think i have mysql installed does that matter? |
| 10:18.36 | jimmyxx | im trying to connect to a remote database |
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| 10:20.47 | possie | anyone know a good ipsec vpn utility for linux? |
| 10:20.48 | jm_ | possie: /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 10:22.01 | cafuego_ | apt-cache search ipsec |
| 10:22.03 | pablob | jimmyxx: aptitude install php4-mysql ? |
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| 10:22.34 | stig_ | Hello sirs, how do I set my ip static to gateway? (to avoid arp spoofing). I cannot finid the right syntax to use |
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| 10:22.45 | stig_ | to gateway MAC |
| 10:22.57 | honschu | Hi, is it possible to start xterm with a "xft" font like TimesNewRoman? |
| 10:23.05 | EdLin | honschu: yes. |
| 10:23.48 | EdLin | honschu: use either a resources file or command line parameters. |
| 10:23.58 | honschu | xterm -fn "xft:Kochi Gothic:size=14" |
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| 10:24.01 | honschu | doesn't work |
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| 10:24.11 | pego | 9~~9~9~ls |
| 10:24.13 | jm_ | man xterm will be of some help |
| 10:24.17 | pego | oops |
| 10:24.24 | jm_ | stig_: man interfaces ; read stuff in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown |
| 10:24.26 | cafuego_ | stig_: add a 'gateway ip.add.rre.ss' line in interfaces |
| 10:24.29 | EdLin | honschu: I do this, |
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| 10:24.43 | cafuego_ | stig_: If it's static, it should already be there. |
| 10:24.54 | pablob | honschu: maybe try with uxterm ... if it has to do with utf8 |
| 10:24.55 | honschu | EDLin: How does your line in resource looks like? |
| 10:25.00 | stig_ | ok great guys |
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| 10:25.11 | EdLin | honschu: like this |
| 10:25.20 | EdLin | XTerm*faceName: monospace |
| 10:25.39 | honschu | EdLin: Is monospace a TTF or XFT Font? |
| 10:25.56 | EdLin | honschu: xft fonts *are* ttf fonts |
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| 10:26.18 | EdLin | honschu: monospace points to Vera Sans Mono on my system |
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| 10:26.28 | honschu | xterm -fa "Kochi Gothic" works |
| 10:26.29 | drac | yeah, monospace is fallbacking alias |
| 10:26.30 | honschu | thx a lot! |
| 10:26.44 | jimmyxx | how do I find my IP address out please? |
| 10:26.49 | honschu | ifconfig |
| 10:26.50 | honschu | -a |
| 10:26.53 | jimmyxx | thanx |
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| 10:27.03 | yel | hello everyone |
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| 10:27.49 | yel | i dont know how to decompress a zip file i have tried gunzip -d file.zip but this is not working any idea what iam doig wrong ? |
| 10:28.00 | dondelelcaro | yel: use unzip |
| 10:28.02 | Guerin | yel: unzip |
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| 10:28.06 | buzz_ | yelyel: unzip |
| 10:28.16 | dondelelcaro | yel: gzip is for gzip files, not zip archives. |
| 10:28.17 | Guerin | anyone else care to comment? |
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| 10:28.24 | iostream | yel: Have a look at the package unp |
| 10:28.24 | EdLin | !beer #debian |
| 10:28.25 | yel | dondelelcaro, i have no unzip on my debian system |
| 10:28.30 | JosephSpiros | hmm, what package has manpages for libc6 functions? |
| 10:28.30 | buzz_ | i can say it again |
| 10:28.31 | dondelelcaro | !installit |
| 10:28.31 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 10:28.33 | iostream | yel: apt-get install unp |
| 10:28.41 | Guerin | unp is overkill |
| 10:28.41 | yel | okay thanks iostream |
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| 10:28.51 | yel | Guerin, why ? |
| 10:28.55 | dondelelcaro | JosephSpiros: |
| 10:28.56 | cyberdrek | It's a Maudite, not La Maudite... crisse. |
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| 10:29.10 | Guerin | yel: it's every decompressor in debian, I think. |
| 10:29.19 | resiak | cyberdrek: Fix the factoid? |
| 10:29.19 | Guerin | and a shell script to wrap around them |
| 10:29.22 | JosephSpiros | dondelelcaro: ? |
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| 10:29.25 | dondelelcaro | JosephSpiros: manpages-dev has most of them |
| 10:29.25 | stig_ | cafuego_: i got spoofed earlier, so its not static |
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| 10:29.32 | cyberdrek | resiak: How? |
| 10:29.34 | JosephSpiros | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 10:29.35 | dondelelcaro | JosephSpiros: sorry, spurious enter there... |
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| 10:30.05 | resiak | dpkg: cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/La Maudite/Maudite/ |
| 10:30.05 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, resiak |
| 10:30.10 | resiak | Bah. dondelelcaro? |
| 10:30.30 | JosephSpiros | dondelelcaro: I think manpages-posix-dev |
| 10:30.32 | Guerin | heh, that'd be fieldysnuts' doing |
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| 10:30.46 | JosephSpiros | dondelelcaro: + will be sufficient :) |
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| 10:31.05 | JosephSpiros | dondelelcaro: didn't even know there were manpages- packages, though, thanks :) |
| 10:31.19 | latee | I prefer info |
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| 10:31.34 | zvn | what is this!? mount doesn't recognize uid=... dmesg: EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "uid=500" or missing value |
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| 10:31.53 | jm_ | zvn: exactly what it tells you |
| 10:32.02 | JosephSpiros | latee: info has always confused me |
| 10:32.17 | zvn | jm_: do you mean that ext3 doesn't have uid=xxx mount option!? |
| 10:32.27 | resiak | zvn: Yes!!!! |
| 10:32.27 | zvn | jm_, read the man, man |
| 10:32.44 | latee | man,info,readme,online resources... of caurse the fsck sources and your banana |
| 10:33.06 | latee | luke, use your banana |
| 10:33.09 | resiak | zvn: Why would ext3 need a uid=xxx mount option? chmod works on ext3. |
| 10:33.15 | jm_ | zvn: yes |
| 10:33.16 | resiak | s/mod/own/ |
| 10:33.37 | jm_ | zvn: maybe it's you who should read it |
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| 10:34.06 | dondelelcaro | especially since said manpage doesn't list uid under the options for ext2 or 3. |
| 10:34.20 | zvn | hm, indeed, my mistake |
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| 10:34.35 | chk | Hi i want to make my debian machine a router. can someone please help me do that |
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| 10:34.44 | latee | a lite-man? |
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| 10:34.56 | jm_ | zvn: I know this because someone was asking about umask option for ext2 lately ;) |
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| 10:35.16 | latee | someone=bot |
| 10:35.31 | latee | snaky bot |
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| 10:36.30 | zvn | I can see the reason for ignoring the option (it will mess up the privilege system), but it seems to actually --work-- with one filesystem: |
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| 10:36.37 | zvn | mount: /dev/hda3 on /media/oldusr type ext3 (rw,uid=500) |
| 10:37.08 | poncha|work | chk: http://www.touset.org/projects/howtos/fwhowto/fwhowto.html might be helpful |
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| 10:37.22 | ice_1963 | what is a good web Browser for xfce4 to use? |
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| 10:37.33 | zvn | I guess I should file a bug against mount... |
| 10:37.33 | cyberdrek | ice_1963 Firefox |
| 10:37.46 | chk | poncha|work: thank you i am checking it |
| 10:38.01 | ice_1963 | i'm useing sid |
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| 10:38.35 | EdLin | ice_1963: the name of the package is mozilla-firefox |
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| 10:39.18 | ice_1963 | firefox work's good in sarge not sid |
| 10:39.27 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 10:40.03 | cyberdrek | ice_1963 just get a stable version off the firefox website. |
| 10:40.08 | poncha|work | ice_1963, ff wfm on sid |
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| 10:40.23 | cafuego_ | Or don't use sid, if you can't fix problems with it. |
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| 10:40.41 | EdLin | ice_1963: well, if you don't mind closed source there's opera - it no longer is adware. |
| 10:40.42 | liable | hrm, ok, udev is on hold, (aptitude) a dist-upgrade will upgrade it, but an upgrade wont. can anyone explain that? (i do understand the whole upgrade/dist-upgrade bit, but not this..) |
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| 10:41.23 | poncha|work | liable, probably the new version requires installation of additional packages |
| 10:41.40 | liable | poncha|work: its on hold. |
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| 10:42.54 | fireba11 | liable: looks like dist-upgrade overrides hold |
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| 10:43.22 | liable | fireba11: doesnt on my other box though. |
| 10:43.30 | dawg | it doesn't for me either. |
| 10:43.34 | fireba11 | liable: same apt-get version ? |
| 10:43.40 | liable | fireba11: and shouldnt either. |
| 10:43.54 | liable | fireba11: older than the box that obeys the hold.. |
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| 10:44.09 | fireba11 | hm .. maybe you got a buggy version there |
| 10:44.12 | liable | fireba11: its aptitude. |
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| 10:44.27 | liable | fireba11: no bugs, as yet.. |
| 10:44.54 | poncha|work | liable, however version differ which means there were some changes made to it no ? :) |
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| 10:45.10 | poncha|work | maybe a missing feature and not a bug ?:) |
| 10:46.02 | liable | poncha|work: this is a sid box, thats works, and an etch box, thats doesnt. (well, doesnt make sense) |
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| 10:48.44 | liable | the etch box is being upgraded through a chroot, anyone think that could effect it? (running kernel is 2.6.12) shouldnt make a difference should it? |
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| 10:50.09 | dawg | liable, when you go into aptitude and press U does that try to upgrade it? |
| 10:50.27 | liable | dawg: doing it on command line, not ui |
| 10:50.52 | dawg | liable, i realise, but i'm just wondering if it ignores the hold there also |
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| 10:52.27 | dawg | liable, and you're holding with aptitude correct? not dpkg, since (whether by design or flaw i'm not sure) aptitude ignores dpkg holds for me and only honours it's own |
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| 10:58.04 | liable | hrm, i cant even find udev in the ui, its not in the admin section.. weird. |
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| 10:58.50 | dawg | liable, /udev and n until you find it |
| 10:58.51 | EdLin | liable: apt-cache search udev |
| 10:59.15 | EdLin | liable: or what dawg says |
| 10:59.20 | fireba11 | EdLin: he's trying to find it in aptitude :-) |
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| 11:00.17 | liable | hah, guess i need to get aquanted with the ui. :) anyway shows ih |
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| 11:00.23 | liable | so its on hold.. |
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| 11:01.31 | jason_ukfsn | is there anyone here who has experience installing stable onto a Dell SC1425> |
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| 11:01.42 | braineater | qualcuno parla italiano? |
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| 11:01.47 | astronut | !#debian-it |
| 11:01.48 | dpkg | #debian-it is, like, Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:01.54 | braineater | grazie =) |
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| 11:02.11 | braineater | !#debian-it |
| 11:02.11 | dpkg | i heard #debian-it is Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:02.25 | astronut | (i don't know "you're welcome in italian) |
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| 11:02.29 | braineater | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.35 | astronut | braineater: no space |
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| 11:02.58 | braineater | yes sorry ehehe |
| 11:03.06 | astronut | no problem |
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| 11:04.02 | Bisfox | hello |
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| 11:04.15 | Bisfox | i'm having problems with alsa |
| 11:04.21 | zvn | !#ask Bisfox |
| 11:04.35 | zvn | !ask zvn |
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| 11:04.49 | dawg | liable, so when you press U and then g to see what it's going to do.. does it try to upgrade udev? pressing U seems to be as aggressive in upgrading as dist-upgrade so i tend to think it's the same thing but from the UI (could be wrong) |
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| 11:04.51 | Eclipser | !ask |
| 11:04.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:05.01 | zvn | apt, tell zvn about ask |
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| 11:05.08 | dondelelcaro | zvn: you can /msg the bot |
| 11:05.11 | rement | !seen vagabund |
| 11:05.12 | dpkg | vagabund <i=me@p508BFA35.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3h 13m 35s ago, saying: 'who was friendly? I take hims in my arms!'. |
| 11:05.14 | dondelelcaro | zvn: aka /msg dpkg ask |
| 11:05.20 | dawg | liable, but either way, even if it does you can (in the screen after you press g) force it to keep the current version of udev |
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| 11:05.47 | Bisfox | alsa doesn't recognize my sound card on isa busa |
| 11:05.47 | zvn | "apt, tell zvn about ask" works fine |
| 11:05.53 | Bisfox | *bus sorry |
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| 11:06.07 | resiak | zvn: Yes, but it causes additional channel spam |
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| 11:08.47 | liable | dawg: just been playing with it, and it still wants to upgrade the bugger. |
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| 11:10.44 | dawg | liable, sounds like a bug to me, try keeping udev by pressing : or = to hold again in that screen and see if that forces it |
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| 11:11.00 | rement | what ? fbi go home! |
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| 11:11.06 | cyberdrek | help NOPS |
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| 11:11.38 | cyberdrek | wrong windows. |
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| 11:12.09 | fbi | uh |
| 11:12.19 | dachary | Is someone here maintaining packages for both Debian unstable and ubuntu hoary ? |
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| 11:12.26 | fbi | rement, or vagabund, whoever or whatever the hell you are, don't say my name in here. |
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| 11:12.50 | dachary | I'm maintaining packages for both distributions and I'd like to figure out the best strategy to avoid duplicating control files. |
| 11:13.05 | rement | shes kidden |
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| 11:17.33 | hcy | hi, anyone here know xmms? i upgraded it with apt-get, and now it's playing everything double-speed. I don't see any options in it for controlling playback speed. |
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| 11:17.54 | fireba11 | haha |
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| 11:18.11 | fireba11 | why you want to change ? it's neat and saves a lot of time :-d |
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| 11:18.34 | liable | fuck it, its on hold, in the ui, it doesnt want to upgrade it, on cli upgrade wont, dist-upgrade will, in between two sytems with udev both on hold, the aptitude pkgstate file is identical. |
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| 11:19.12 | hcy | fireba11: please |
| 11:19.38 | fireba11 | hcy: would have told you what to do if i knew :-) |
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| 11:20.02 | hcy | fireba11: ok :) |
| 11:20.06 | fbi | hcy: i had several problems with the xmms package, once i downloaded the source and compiled it myself, i never had any issues again |
| 11:20.22 | hcy | do you know how i can make my gnome-terminal use utf8 encoding? |
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| 11:22.23 | resiak | !tell hcy -about UTF-8 |
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| 11:30.07 | fireba11 | everyone asleed ? |
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| 11:30.13 | fireba11 | asleep damnit |
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| 11:31.30 | dimir | no |
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| 11:32.40 | hcy | ok i got this DJ software thing called pytone... works rather nicely except that it doesn't display filenames in utf8 despite the gnome terminal being set to utf8 (it's a curses app). Any idea how to get a curses app that switches to a different 'screen' to use utf8 too? |
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| 11:34.43 | cyberdrek | in BitchX, if I'm on multiple channels, how do I switch between them without parting from them? |
| 11:35.05 | jm_ | with the join command or with the key bound to switch channel function |
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| 11:35.34 | cyberdrek | jm_ I know that, I was wondering if anybody knows the actual command. |
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| 11:35.40 | casualtie | What's the difference between the Java I can get from java.com and the one from blackdown.org? |
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| 11:36.20 | jm_ | cyberdrek: what you just said makes no sense at all - why are you asking if you know it? |
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| 11:36.58 | cyberdrek | jm_ I want to know the command in bitchX to switch channel. I know that I can do it with a join! |
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| 11:37.44 | jm_ | cyberdrek: you mean you want to know the key binding? |
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| 11:38.03 | latee | jm_, because he wants to get the snake out from the hole |
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| 11:38.37 | cyberdrek | jm_ do you know it? |
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| 11:38.46 | jm_ | cyberdrek: yes, I believe I do |
| 11:39.09 | latee | ? |
| 11:39.15 | cyberdrek | jm_ would you mind telling me? |
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| 11:39.46 | jm_ | cyberdrek: try ctrl-x, otherwise use /bind to enlighten you |
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| 11:39.56 | cyberdrek | jm_ thank you. |
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| 11:41.14 | jm_ | join should part other channels unless you have novice mode enabled |
| 11:41.31 | jm_ | shouldn't* |
| 11:41.43 | cyberdrek | jm_ that'sgood to know. |
| 11:41.46 | liable | hrm, after upgrading udev to .6, it obeys the hold... |
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| 11:42.29 | tarzeau_ | !drx |
| 11:42.29 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 11:42.41 | tarzeau_ | !xmd5 |
| 11:42.41 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 11:42.56 | fireba11 | liable: maybe there is a important security fix in the update that overrides hold for some reason ? |
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| 11:44.16 | etatoby | Hi. I have a problem with fontconfig: four different fonts are given the same exact name and attributes. How can I select either one of them without having to edit fonts.cache-1 by hand? |
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| 11:44.32 | liable | fireba11: hrm, i dunno wtf is the go with that. after removing it completely, i dist-upgraded, then installed the same version i am holding on my sid box, and all is ok. still dont understand why the hold doesnt work for a dist-upgrade though.. |
| 11:44.34 | etatoby | or better: whom should I report this to? |
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| 11:45.02 | tarzeau_ | damn i've done what's in xmd5 and it doesn't change my XF86Config-4 |
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| 11:46.10 | liable | udev should be removed from the package tree imho.. |
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| 11:46.30 | jm_ | why are you installing it if you want it removed? |
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| 11:47.07 | deeLer | hi |
| 11:47.12 | deeLer | back once more |
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| 11:47.35 | deeLer | i dl'd knoppix , tried to do the debootstrapinstall |
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| 11:47.57 | deeLer | but 'im stuck since i can't access /dev/sda1 in my chroot |
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| 11:48.14 | deeLer | i'm following these directions : http://www.inittab.de/manuals/debootstrap.html |
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| 11:48.23 | deeLer | can someone help me out ?µ |
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| 11:48.49 | Ronin | deeLer: try #knoppix |
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| 11:48.56 | liable | jm_: does it really matter why i install it, but there have been lots of people here lately with udev problems, that basically render systems unusable. |
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| 11:49.32 | deeLer | Ronin, it's actually more a debian based problem i think |
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| 11:49.34 | jm_ | liable: no, but saying something should be removed and installing it at the very same time sounds very contradictory to me |
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| 11:49.41 | Ronin | what distro did you install deeLer ? |
| 11:49.49 | Jurples | hi can anyone help, my WLAN adapter can resolve DNS and ping IP addresses, but it cannot visit websites or download (apt-get update) |
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| 11:50.15 | liable | jm_: yes, it does, i agree. |
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| 11:50.35 | yoo | Hi ! |
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| 11:50.52 | yoo | i have a problem with my tape |
| 11:50.59 | yoo | tar: /dev/st0: Wrote only 8192 of 10240 bytes |
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| 11:51.05 | yoo | Total bytes written: 0 (0B, 0B/s) |
| 11:51.16 | fireba11 | Jurples: you did set a route ? |
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| 11:51.22 | deeLer | Ronin, i'm trying to install debian from out of knoppix |
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| 11:51.31 | etatoby | Jurples: does "telnet www.debian.org 80" says Connected? |
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| 11:51.38 | Jurples | a route? |
| 11:51.40 | deeLer | Ronin, using debootstrap |
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| 11:51.57 | liable | jm_: glutten for punishment? ;0 |
| 11:51.59 | Ronin | deeLer: exactly a knoppix problem i see, why not just get debian |
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| 11:52.00 | yoo | my st0 work since 2 hours but at the end say me this message above ! |
| 11:52.03 | Jurples | etatoby- yes "connected to gluck.debian.org" |
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| 11:52.21 | deeLer | Ronin, because debian doesn't detect my scsi card |
| 11:52.30 | etatoby | Jurples: check that you don't have Proxy enabled in your browser |
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| 11:52.36 | Jurples | no proxy |
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| 11:52.57 | etatoby | ..and yet www.debian.org doesn't show up? |
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| 11:53.22 | Jurples | no |
| 11:53.25 | ircops | morning |
| 11:53.26 | etatoby | this might be a MTU problem |
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| 11:53.44 | Jurples | but i can, access and browse ftp.us.debian.org, but cannot download (stuck at 0%) |
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| 11:54.21 | cyberdrek | Jurples did you play with the configs of your router? Or set up a firewall on your machine? |
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| 11:55.00 | etatoby | Jurples: what networking interfaces do you have? (ifconfig -a, tell me the names on the left) |
| 11:55.06 | etatoby | Jurples: sounds very much like a MTU poblem |
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| 11:55.14 | Jurples | its newly installed, i set up hotplug and the atmel wlan drivers, configured /etc/resolv.conf and the DNS configured itself through the AP |
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| 11:55.56 | Jurples | ifconfig -a gives dummy0, eth0, sit0, wlan0 |
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| 11:56.26 | etatoby | ok, under wlan0 what's the MTU: value? |
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| 11:56.32 | Jurples | 1500 |
| 11:56.33 | rosco | hi |
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| 11:57.27 | etatoby | try (as root) ifconfig wlan0 mtu 1400 |
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| 11:58.10 | Jurples | hey it works! ur a genius |
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| 11:58.33 | Jurples | what does mtu do anyway |
| 11:58.42 | etatoby | I know :-P |
| 11:58.46 | fireba11 | Jurples: limit TCP/IP package size |
| 11:58.52 | etatoby | it's the max size of an etnernet frame |
| 11:59.14 | fireba11 | 1492 would have probably done .. but no harm to set it a bit smaller |
| 11:59.19 | etatoby | your router is probably connected via cable or DLS and encapsulates ethernet frames in another ehternet protocol |
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| 11:59.38 | etatoby | fireba11: yeah I just wanted to see if that was the problem |
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| 12:00.04 | fireba11 | etatoby: i know .. also settign a bit lower should make no real difference anyway |
| 12:00.19 | Jurples | does it affect the speed or something if set too low? |
| 12:00.37 | etatoby | Jurples: you need to put the biggest mtu value that works (probably 1492) into /etc/network/interfaces for it to survive a reboot |
| 12:00.50 | fireba11 | Jurples: yes ... but you most likely won't notice untill you set 100 or soemthing |
| 12:01.04 | etatoby | Jurples: well it adds overhead and somwehat reduces the usable network bandwidth |
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| 12:01.32 | ircops | would there be any point to setting MTU higher than 1500? |
| 12:01.37 | ircops | or can you? |
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| 12:01.44 | etatoby | yuo cant |
| 12:01.44 | rosco | Do I need to compile the scsi module in the kernel to use a raid 1 mirrored array made of scsi disks ? |
| 12:01.47 | ircops | okay |
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| 12:01.59 | etatoby | it's one of the limits of current ethernet protocol |
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| 12:02.15 | Jurples | so how do i add it in /etc/network/interfaces? i'm guessing wireless_mtu 1492 |
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| 12:02.30 | fireba11 | Jurples: not quite |
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| 12:03.01 | etatoby | ircops: I think it's becoming a problem with very fast and reliable ethernet media such as gigabit |
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| 12:03.18 | ircops | Jurples: 'man interfaces' |
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| 12:03.39 | bcc | hey guys, check this out. any feedback is welcome: http://www.goudkov.com/public/articles/changing_distro.jsp |
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| 12:04.13 | Golfgeo | Hi all |
| 12:04.18 | fireba11 | bcc: cool :-) |
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| 12:04.46 | ndee | hi there, our server crashed and the hoster rebooted the machine. I would like to find out WHAT caused the server to crash. For which log files am I looking for? It's a web server with apache and mysql running. |
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| 12:05.17 | etatoby | so I have this problem with fontconfig: four different fonts are given the same exact name and attributes. I can't select them apart without editing fonts.cache-1 by hand. What can I do? Whom should I tell? |
| 12:05.23 | delire | ndee less /var/log/syslog |
| 12:05.40 | Anthro | rosco: to use scsi you need the scsi module loaded (or compiled into the kernel). The RAID part is irrelevant. |
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| 12:05.45 | fireba11 | ndee /var/log/syslog is the first adress |
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| 12:05.54 | delire | ndee less /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 12:06.00 | liable | ndee: ask your admin. |
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| 12:06.08 | ndee | liable: I am the admin ;) |
| 12:06.09 | delire | ndee: probably in that order.. |
| 12:06.13 | ndee | ok, thanks guys. |
| 12:06.27 | delire | bcc: nice ;) |
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| 12:06.55 | delire | bcc: but when will i have an opportunity to test it? my boxes are all already debian ;) |
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| 12:07.25 | etatoby | bcc: this will come handy, thanks |
| 12:07.25 | rosco | anthro: ok, thanks |
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| 12:08.39 | bcc | delire: hehe, you can convert debian to debian :) |
| 12:08.48 | whirm | hi |
| 12:08.52 | delire | bcc: now that's one for a rainy day :) |
| 12:08.53 | bcc | delire: as a matter of fact, that's what i did when i was trying it on my desktop before trying it on a production box |
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| 12:09.28 | fireba11 | delire: still dead usefull .. if a box got compromised for example |
| 12:09.30 | delire | bcc: ok you're on, i'll make time to give it a go - though by looking at your page it looks like it should work. |
| 12:09.39 | delire | fireba11: yes, it is. bookmarked. |
| 12:09.41 | ndee | hm, the date changed to Sep 8 |
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| 12:10.01 | whirm | i'm searching for the name of the file I must put in a chrooted environemet so when I enter in it with chroot the prompt shows a diferent hostname than the host one, somebody knows it? ^_^ |
| 12:10.05 | bcc | delire: the only problem are the moduels for network and the drive |
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| 12:10.11 | bcc | that's where it can fail |
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| 12:10.17 | delire | bcc: yes, i can imagine. |
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| 12:10.53 | GEAN | olá galera |
| 12:11.00 | cmdKeen | how can i mount drives without su rights ? |
| 12:11.16 | delire | cmdKeen: add the user option to /etc/fstab entry |
| 12:12.06 | delire | whirm: /etc/hostname holds the system hostname. you want to fake a hostname? |
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| 12:12.28 | cmdKeen | delire: mm and what about usb flash disks ? |
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| 12:12.59 | delire | cmdKeen: the same "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0" |
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| 12:13.08 | whirm | delire: is not thas, it was something like /etc/deb-chroot or some name like that.... |
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| 12:13.23 | cmdKeen | delire: oh, thanks. |
| 12:13.23 | delire | whirm: oh, no idea. |
| 12:13.32 | deeLer | can someone give his/her opinion about kanotix ? ? |
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| 12:14.13 | KernelPanique | deeLer: in what issues? for me it worked perfectly and it detected all my hardware easily, and it worked out the wireless configuration also |
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| 12:14.36 | bcc | delire: how would i add tmpfs to fstab in order to give it the user option? |
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| 12:16.00 | deeLer | KernelPanique, about compatibility to debian ... i like to be able to use about EVERY package when i move over to Debian |
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| 12:16.07 | delire | bcc: hmm |
| 12:16.08 | deeLer | i mean Kanotix |
| 12:16.11 | EdLin | deeLer: knotiz isn't Debian |
| 12:16.20 | EdLin | s/knotiz/Kanotix |
| 12:16.24 | EdLin | !kanotix |
| 12:16.24 | dpkg | i heard kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) |
| 12:16.57 | delire | bcc: i'm not sure whether "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,user,noauto 0 0" would work. |
| 12:17.07 | bcc | yeah, like proc |
| 12:17.08 | bcc | but |
| 12:17.12 | delire | bcc: no harm in trying.. |
| 12:17.12 | bcc | only with a fixed location |
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| 12:17.22 | delire | bcc: well /tmp is ok for that. |
| 12:17.39 | berzerka | hello guys. which is the program of choice to burn dvds? (command line) |
| 12:17.43 | delire | bcc: or any arbitray static mountpoint. |
| 12:17.46 | bcc | yeah |
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| 12:17.52 | delire | berzerka: growisofs |
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| 12:18.13 | bcc | umount: it seems tmpfs is mounted multiple times |
| 12:18.15 | bcc | ouch |
| 12:18.19 | bcc | is there something against that? |
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| 12:18.29 | bcc | i mounted the same spot several times |
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| 12:18.35 | GEAN | some body can help me? |
| 12:18.40 | delire | bcc: hmm.. strange. never encountered this.. |
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| 12:18.50 | deeLer | it's turns out it's my only option to go for kanotix; only debian 64 bit based distro that detects my scsi |
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| 12:19.09 | EdLin | berzerka: dvd+rw-tools (warning: I haven't used it.) |
| 12:19.29 | berzerka | EdLin, delire: thanks. |
| 12:19.32 | cmdKeen | 'block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only' means linux is unable to write to flashdisk ? |
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| 12:19.47 | bcc | tmpfs does not take up and memory when it's empty, right? |
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| 12:19.53 | bcc | and -> any |
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| 12:20.13 | delire | bcc: that's the idea, yes |
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| 12:20.28 | bcc | even if i put stuff in it and the remove it? the memory is released? |
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| 12:21.21 | delire | cmdKeen: as it says, it's write protected.. |
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| 12:21.29 | delire | bcc: yes, also the idea behind tmpfs |
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| 12:21.33 | pigor | how to burn without root-previlges? |
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| 12:21.42 | delire | pigor: man visudo |
| 12:21.48 | bcc | delire: cool, i guess i'll just use /dev/shm then |
| 12:21.56 | delire | bcc: ;) |
| 12:22.06 | delire | pigor: eg, using sudo. |
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| 12:22.27 | EdLin | pigor: create a group and make that group have rw permissions on the devices needed. |
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| 12:22.47 | pigor | EdLin: i will try |
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| 12:23.02 | rjalex | anyone knows of a good source for ibm-acpi scripts ? would like screen brightness to respond to AC or battery power. thank-you |
| 12:23.02 | EdLin | pigor: then dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord and tell it to run suid root |
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| 12:23.48 | delire | pigor: yes, or as EdLin suggests, though you won't have the benefit of real time scheduling. |
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| 12:24.25 | dfd | hello |
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| 12:24.32 | hansi_xp | hello |
| 12:24.41 | delire | EdLin: yeah i guess setuid root on cdrecord will give you the realtime scheduling.. |
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| 12:24.47 | cmdKeen | delire: well, and in case it's not ? |
| 12:25.34 | dfd | since my last x server update it continuosly uses 50% of my cpu.. I used to run some games, as enemy territory, at 140 fps, now it can't get more than 30 fps.. |
| 12:25.37 | delire | cmdKeen: why not see if you can format it and kill any silly write protection shipped by the manufacturer? |
| 12:25.52 | dfd | have somebody this same problem? Can I come back to the old version? |
| 12:26.15 | cmdKeen | dfd: what drivr di you use ? |
| 12:26.22 | dfd | nvidia driver |
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| 12:27.17 | cmdKeen | delire: oh, I guess that's it. I can't actually do that by one day... thanks for your thoughts. |
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| 12:27.31 | cmdKeen | *s/by/but/ |
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| 12:28.37 | delire | cmdKeen: i've come across a few weird windoze only sticks. NTFS is one such file system that you won't be able to write to easily. |
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| 12:31.17 | cmdKeen | delire: Yes, it's exactly one of them. Well, 'easily' really isn't right word. Current ntfs driver max write capability is afaik saving files with same length witout destruction of filesystem;) |
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| 12:32.44 | pigor | delire: what is "real time scheduling" ? |
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| 12:35.21 | delire | pigor: it's a feature provided my modern kernels allowing processes to be used with lower latency. |
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| 12:35.26 | jan_ | I'd like to configure my kernel, apt-get kernel-tree-2.6.11 and unziped it in de /usr/src folder. but when I do make menuconfig I get errors. What am I doing wrong? |
| 12:35.51 | delire | pigor: there are several different 'sheduling' modes provided by the linux kernel. |
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| 12:36.57 | pigor | delire: when i am burning without root .. is it bad - in practice? |
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| 12:37.26 | delire | pigor: not if you follow EdLin's suggestion of setuid root cdredord. |
| 12:37.30 | sobersabre | guys... any www info points for blade servers ? ( not ibm specifically... would like to see also HP's ) |
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| 12:37.43 | jan_ | root@lenaeja:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11# make menuconfig |
| 12:37.43 | jan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.43 | jan_ | scripts/basic/fixdep.c:105:23: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 12:37.43 | jan_ | scripts/basic/fixdep.c:106:22: error: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory |
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| 12:37.46 | sobersabre | especially comparisons ( prices etc ) |
| 12:37.58 | Golfgeo | exit |
| 12:38.02 | Golfgeo | argh |
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| 12:38.11 | sobersabre | slash :/ |
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| 12:38.41 | delire | sobersabre: i've never worked with blade servers so cannot provide comment. |
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| 12:39.10 | sobersabre | i have only tried ibm's |
| 12:39.19 | sobersabre | :-/ |
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| 12:39.38 | delire | jan_: do you have the linux-kernel-headers? |
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| 12:40.10 | delire | jan_: actually your problem is you're missing libc6-dev i think. |
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| 12:40.30 | jan_ | I'll try to get them |
| 12:40.31 | pigor | delire: ok, i have done - thank you very much! |
| 12:40.54 | Guerin | !b-e jan_ |
| 12:40.55 | dpkg | jan_: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 12:41.00 | delire | sobersabre: i would stop buy a little later on. i know there are a few folk here that will have comments/advice on blade. |
| 12:41.09 | delire | pigor: np |
| 12:41.15 | cmdKeen | is there some nice system-cleaning utility ? |
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| 12:41.31 | Golfgeo | Cam anyone point me to beter documentation about user-mode USB programming than the one given on: http://www.linux-usb.org/ |
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| 12:41.41 | nkuttler | cmdKeen: to clean what? |
| 12:41.52 | delire | cmdKeen: deborphan? |
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| 12:42.18 | cmdKeen | nkuttler: mess. No, I don't think packages... I think duplicate files, old configurations etc... |
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| 12:43.10 | delire | nkuttler: on a dynamically linked system there won't be many duplicate files. |
| 12:43.11 | cmdKeen | nkuttler: something like Winblows Regleaner or something like that... |
| 12:43.13 | Guerin | cmdKeen: no. |
| 12:43.16 | nkuttler | cmdKeen: just leave them where they are... after all config files don't use much space |
| 12:43.16 | Guerin | oh |
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| 12:43.22 | Guerin | cruft might be what you're looking for |
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| 12:43.31 | Guerin | but it's pretty risky |
| 12:43.39 | nkuttler | cmdKeen: or use find + rm |
| 12:43.41 | CoBoLt | hi everyone |
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| 12:43.45 | Guerin | cmdKeen: unix systems don't NEED cleaning. Files tend to replace old versions. |
| 12:43.49 | delire | cmdKeen: if you remove packages with dpkg -P <packagename> you will remove everything that is considered safely removeable. |
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| 12:43.59 | Guerin | delire: um, no. |
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| 12:44.06 | Guerin | delire: that will remove all traces of the package. |
| 12:44.07 | CoBoLt | is there a way to use apt-get but to disable the post installation scripts? |
| 12:44.14 | cmdKeen | nkuttler: yep, i love those two:) |
| 12:44.18 | Guerin | delire: including the important bits. |
| 12:44.19 | delire | Guerin: yes, that is exactly what is meant. |
| 12:44.27 | zms | any ideas why apt-get update would fail to resolve ftp.debian.org while ftp to ftp.oreilly.com succeeds from the same terminal? |
| 12:44.29 | nkuttler | CoBoLt: why would you want to do that? |
| 12:44.30 | Guerin | delire: what part of that is 'safe'? |
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| 12:44.44 | CoBoLt | because I want to :) |
| 12:44.50 | Golfgeo | Never mind, got around the problem :-) |
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| 12:44.59 | Guerin | zms: might be flakey dns, or the debian.org roundrobin might have a broken entry |
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| 12:45.02 | delire | Guerin: yes, so should you want to remove that package entirely it is perfect for the job. what are you talking about? |
| 12:45.03 | cmdKeen | Guerin: yes, that's probably true. it's an old-windows-user complex;) |
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| 12:45.20 | zms | Guerin: been trying for last 18 hrs. |
| 12:45.21 | CoBoLt | nkuttler I need to install some packages have some basic settings which I simply copy |
| 12:45.31 | CoBoLt | but don't want the endusers to answer questions |
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| 12:45.32 | CoBoLt | :) |
| 12:45.33 | Guerin | delire: but bthat's manifestly not what he wants to do. |
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| 12:45.45 | CoBoLt | so again, can one disable the post installation scripts in apt-get? |
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| 12:45.50 | nvz | cmdKeen: the package system keeps track of that stuff for the most part and you dont add anything to most those dirs that isnt in a package, when you purge a package it takes care of cleanup |
| 12:45.51 | CoBoLt | or a workaround? |
| 12:46.03 | delire | cmdKeen: if you want to remove a program entirely, then use 'dpkg -P <packageName>'. '-P' == purge. is that the kind of thing you mean? |
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| 12:46.19 | nvz | cmdKeen: if you use aptitude, its already thinking way ahead of you |
| 12:46.20 | nkuttler | CoBoLt: copy the config files after the install is done |
| 12:46.28 | Guerin | dpkg is wrong for this job, too |
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| 12:46.33 | CoBoLt | yeah, but then the questions do pop up |
| 12:46.37 | Guerin | apt-get remove --purge is bettwe |
| 12:46.41 | CoBoLt | and that's what I need to disable |
| 12:47.02 | delire | cmdKeen: to find and remove packages that are not depended upon by other packages, use deborphan. |
| 12:47.17 | nkuttler | CoBoLt: maybe you can configure debconf not to ask at all, not sure though |
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| 12:47.42 | nkuttler | CoBoLt: and if you let users install software they should be able to handle one or two questions... |
| 12:47.42 | infested_maggot | guys, i have a problem with my pppeo connection. after i set up the connection and i run the script, it connects for about 30 seconds and then disconects me from the server. any sugestions? |
| 12:47.53 | delire | cmdKeen: to find packages that you may find to be unneccessary, ue debfoster. |
| 12:47.55 | CoBoLt | I don't let em install it :) |
| 12:47.56 | infested_maggot | *pppoe |
| 12:48.05 | CoBoLt | nkuttler, everything is done by a script |
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| 12:48.20 | CoBoLt | so endusers will never have to see the questions :) |
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| 12:49.24 | nvz | then they complain to support that they werent given a choice |
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| 12:49.44 | CoBoLt | nvz not my problem :) |
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| 12:50.00 | nvz | @annoy CoBoLt |
| 12:50.01 | ravenbird | CoBoLt: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 12:50.36 | cmdKeen | delire: I use debfoster and deborphan, but that's not exactly what I meant... I just have feeling my system is going smoothly too long wihout problems. To be exact from time i switched from winblows to linux(3 months ?). In windows it'd be about time to reinstall so I am a bit nervous :) |
| 12:50.37 | nkuttler | CoBoLt: look into debconf, repackage the stuff |
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| 12:51.25 | CoBoLt | hmm, so the only things one can do to disable post installation scripts is to rebuild the package? |
| 12:51.28 | cmdKeen | delire: but there really isn't need for that kind of tools I have in mind. Long live the Linux;) |
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| 12:51.33 | delire | cmdKeen: hehe, the nervousness will subside. you'll learn to handle the "must-admin" compulsion ;) |
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| 12:51.42 | delire | cmdKeen: here here ;) |
| 12:52.01 | jan_ | witch reposetory do I have to have to install ncurses-devel? I can't find it |
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| 12:52.19 | delire | jan_ you probably want libncurses5-dev |
| 12:52.23 | nvz | libncurses5-dev |
| 12:52.32 | jan_ | ok |
| 12:52.52 | hutgyrr | whats out there thats similair to mkisofs except for burning dvds? |
| 12:53.01 | delire | hutgyrr: growisofs |
| 12:53.09 | hutgyrr | thanks |
| 12:53.11 | hansi_xp | really? |
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| 12:53.33 | hansi_xp | that's funny |
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| 12:54.18 | hutgyrr | mmmm, not available with apt-get |
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| 12:54.36 | infested_maggot | guys, i have a problem with my pppoe connection. after i set up the connection and i run the script, it connects for about 30 seconds and then disconects me from the server. any sugestions? |
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| 12:54.59 | fireba11 | loads ^^ |
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| 12:55.13 | delire | hutgyrr: it's provided by dvd+rw-tools |
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| 12:55.25 | fireba11 | infested_maggot: is the connection usable during that 30 secs ? |
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| 12:55.50 | delire | hutgyrr: and yes, it is annoying you can't apt-cache search on this given it becomes such a prominent utility. |
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| 12:57.48 | cmdKeen | whats the name of that advanced glxgears app ? |
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| 12:58.01 | infested_maggot | fireba11: yes |
| 12:58.01 | infested_maggot | fireba11: then it says something about not beeing able to increase MTU and MRU and hangs up |
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| 12:58.18 | delire | cmdKeen: well ati ships one for their cards. |
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| 12:58.35 | delire | cmdKeen: fgl_glxgears |
| 12:59.00 | delire | cmdKeen: nvidia probably has it's own. |
| 12:59.11 | fireba11 | infested_maggot: set MTU to 1492 ? |
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| 12:59.39 | delire | it's raining bots |
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| 13:00.03 | Ronin | delire: /ignore is a wonderful thing lately :) |
| 13:00.12 | delire | Ronin: ;) |
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| 13:00.24 | infested_maggot | fireba11: look on #flood. i`ll paste there some stuff |
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| 13:00.54 | jcdubacq | good something everybody |
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| 13:01.05 | zms | Is http://www.debian.org/ down? |
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| 13:01.22 | zms | can someone please try? |
| 13:01.26 | jcdubacq | I would like to have all my usb-storage automatically mounted (it works fine with hal+udev+gnome-volume-manager) |
| 13:01.30 | jcdubacq | but with option noexec |
| 13:01.35 | nvz | zms: just use a mirror if you suspect it to be down, ffs |
| 13:01.46 | nvz | zms: or use samspade.org to check |
| 13:01.48 | jcdubacq | somehow, editing /usr/share/hal/fdi/* did not succeed |
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| 13:02.00 | delire | zms: it redirects to us.debian.org for me. |
| 13:02.01 | zms | nvz: ok. lemme try |
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| 13:02.37 | nvz | do or do not, there is no try |
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| 13:02.49 | nvz | </yoda> |
| 13:03.08 | delire | lol |
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| 13:03.50 | infested_maggot | fireba11: do you have any sugestions ? |
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| 13:04.08 | zms | nvz: hehe |
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| 13:04.54 | nvz | use the schwartz duke |
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| 13:05.13 | asg | nvz: liquid schwartz! |
| 13:05.13 | fireba11 | infested_maggot: sounds like MTU to me ... check if it is set to 1500 and if yes change to 1492 |
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| 13:05.45 | fireba11 | !MTU |
| 13:05.45 | dpkg | i guess mtu is Maximum Transferrable Unit.. Maximum Transmission Unit, or what tracepath (package iputils-tracepath) can find about, or can be configured in interfaces - see <interfaces> |
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| 13:09.31 | lestest | hi there, is it possible to change a file change date? |
| 13:09.42 | asg | lestest: man touch |
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| 13:14.51 | peppo | how can I make DHCP not force its DNS into resolv.conf? I need to use static DNSs but not static IP/gw/etc. |
| 13:15.05 | asg | peppo: edit your dhcp client's config |
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| 13:15.30 | peppo | asg, prepend? |
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| 13:16.14 | By-Tor | peppo: What I did was edit /etc/dhclient-script |
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| 13:16.24 | asg | peppo: man 5 dhclient.conf |
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| 13:16.36 | By-Tor | peppo: There is a make_resolv_conf() function |
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| 13:16.56 | By-Tor | asg: No, dhclient.conf doesn't control resolv.conf creation |
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| 13:17.35 | By-Tor | peppo: I'll pastebin what to change |
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| 13:17.50 | Blissex | lestest: or 'ustat' |
| 13:17.52 | Blissex | oops |
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| 13:17.58 | peppo | By-Tor, domain-name-servers DNSSERVERS; seems more elegant |
| 13:17.59 | mwilson | By-Tor: Except that it does, of course. |
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| 13:18.50 | By-Tor | peppo: http://pastebin.com/375657 |
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| 13:18.59 | nvz | Shit. I hate it when I get my Schwartz twisted. Okay, maybe if my put leg up on yours we can split apart. |
| 13:19.19 | By-Tor | mwilson: Why have it edit the resolv.conf at all? |
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| 13:21.53 | peppo | By-Tor, there's also "prepend domain-name-server DNS1, DNS1;" in dhclient.conf, which doesn't require any editing of the script |
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| 13:22.30 | mwilson | peppo: You wouldn't use 'supersede' because...? |
| 13:22.44 | By-Tor | peppo: 6 and 1/2 dozen. I'd rather NOT have the resolv.conf file changed at all. Your choice thou. |
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| 13:23.02 | peppo | mwilson, no idea. |
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| 13:23.19 | mwilson | No, he'd rather have some random file created that won't get used for anything. |
| 13:23.32 | Golfgeo | Got a couple of questions about USB and the libusb... Anyone here that could awnser them? |
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| 13:23.43 | mwilson | peppo: Since, after all, 'prepend' doesn't do what you asked for. |
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| 13:24.08 | peppo | mwilson, prepend adds my own DNS IPs before 192.168.1.1 into resolv.conf |
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| 13:24.14 | peppo | (by all appearances) |
| 13:24.16 | hutgyrr | im trying to umount a dvd and im getting an error saying it seems to be mounted multiple times |
| 13:24.18 | By-Tor | mwilson: don't be a troll dude. |
| 13:24.19 | hutgyrr | whats wrong |
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| 13:25.10 | ucutetibo | any 1 girl nataga dasma bayan mesage me |
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| 13:25.44 | lunaphyte_ | why would find not find anything at all? |
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| 13:26.05 | mwilson | By-Tor: Learn what a troll actually is sometime. |
| 13:26.11 | abrotman | bob2: i needed a date! :) |
| 13:26.31 | Gh0sty | anyone have a intel pro 1000MT running? |
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| 13:26.41 | abrotman | mine just kind of sits in the case |
| 13:26.42 | bob2 | abrotman: are you a "girl nataga dasma bayan"? |
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| 13:26.52 | Golfgeo | oke, going to check out a dev chanel... |
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| 13:26.59 | Gh0sty | seems mine always breaks connection after a few minutes, even tough it says the link is still up, i can't ping nothing |
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| 13:27.05 | abrotman | bob2: for all i know .. that means "girl needing boy" |
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| 13:28.16 | cahoot | abrotman: you pipe irssi through babelfish? |
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| 13:28.36 | lunaphyte_ | both whereis and locate know where files are, but find returns empty results regardless |
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| 13:28.49 | abrotman | cahoot: that wouldn't help me with what is said in here :) |
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| 13:29.00 | jm_ | locate has a datasbe of files which may be out of date ... |
| 13:29.04 | bob2 | lunaphyte_: the find command line you used is... and the naoe of the file it should have found is...? |
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| 13:29.27 | abrotman | bob2: wrong? |
| 13:29.34 | lunaphyte_ | for example: find / -iname "apt-get" |
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| 13:29.54 | abrotman | did you lose apt-get ? |
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| 13:30.05 | lunaphyte_ | 09:29:45(root@aphelion)/etc/cron.daily>ls -al /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 13:30.05 | lunaphyte_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 117544 2005-03-22 02:18 /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 13:30.19 | lunaphyte_ | thank god no - just as a test |
| 13:30.27 | Althaser | i'm using testing but I want to install the sid kernel, how can I do ? please |
| 13:30.40 | abrotman | are " wrong ? |
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| 13:31.06 | lunaphyte_ | i have another testing machine i'm comparing to - seems to work on that one. |
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| 13:31.30 | abrotman | lunaphyte_: works fine here .. |
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| 13:32.09 | abrotman | what if his shell were not bash ? |
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| 13:32.22 | delire | lunaphyte_ also fine here. |
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| 13:33.26 | lunaphyte_ | the most significant difference between my two machines is that one is using raid, one is not - but i can't imagine how that would be related. |
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| 13:38.07 | lunaphyte_ | man this is weird - it just started working. |
| 13:38.43 | lunaphyte_ | hm. it's also complaining though - find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc/1/task: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver. Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option. Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have been searched. |
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| 13:39.04 | delire | lunaphyte_ what fs? |
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| 13:39.27 | lunaphyte_ | all of the partitions are ext3 on top of raid devices |
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| 13:40.06 | lunaphyte_ | delire: http://pastebin.com/375681 |
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| 13:40.45 | delire | lunaphyte_ lol, an interesting parition table |
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| 13:40.48 | Anthro | lunaphyte: Anything in /proc is procfs. That's... a very weird error. |
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| 13:41.02 | lunaphyte_ | thanks... :) |
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| 13:41.12 | Anthro | !lol |
| 13:41.13 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 13:42.03 | delire | lunaphyte_ why are you mounting /dev/md3 to /usr? |
| 13:42.04 | stouset | Hm, is there a way to specify multiple "preferred" WAPs in /etc/network/interfaces for a wireless card? I have a wireless interface being brought up automatically by waproamd, but where I work, all of the WAPs are protected by a key (not to mention, I need a *specific* one). However, if I put this in /etc/network/interfaces, I can't then later bind to other WAPs like at home or my university. |
| 13:42.20 | Dewi | dpkg: what if I want to look like an AOL user? |
| 13:42.23 | delire | lol dpkg |
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| 13:42.43 | stouset | Dewi: Even worse, what if you ARE an AOL user? |
| 13:42.48 | lunaphyte_ | delire: no specific reason. |
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| 13:42.55 | seuun | *specific* one |
| 13:43.06 | seuun | hello |
| 13:43.11 | seuun | *specific* |
| 13:43.14 | delire | lunaphyte_ apt-get is in /usr/bin/ |
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| 13:43.49 | delire | lunaphyte_ what happens if you find /bin/ -iname "ls" |
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| 13:44.12 | lunaphyte_ | delire: i was just using apt-get for the purpose of testing find. |
| 13:44.24 | delire | lunaphyte_ i realise |
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| 13:45.02 | lunaphyte_ | delire: find /bin/ -iname "ls" - returns no results |
| 13:45.12 | molsen | Hi, all! When i start Konsole my ~/.bash_profile does not get executed! How can that be? |
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| 13:45.42 | battlecat | I have a HP Laserjet 4L and I am using Sarge. I cannot seem to get the printer to work with Sarge. The printer works fine with Mandrake or WinXP. Any ideas? |
| 13:45.44 | infested_maggot | guys, how do i make a masquarading from eth1 to eth0 ? |
| 13:45.57 | lunaphyte_ | delire: oh - i think it doesn't like the trailing slash: |
| 13:45.58 | lunaphyte_ | 09:46:44(root@aphelion)/>find /bin -iname "ls" |
| 13:45.58 | delire | lunaphyte_ this is strange. |
| 13:46.00 | Anthro | battlecat: Have you configured the printer in any way? |
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| 13:46.16 | Dewi | dpkg, tell battlecat about printer |
| 13:46.18 | syntaxx | i formatted my xp. and my boot loader is gone.. is there a way that i can boot my linux or is there any smaller files that i need to download if i loss my netinst cd? |
| 13:46.41 | battlecat | I went into the printer settings and added it. The program even detected it correctly |
| 13:46.41 | bob2 | syntaxx: get a live cd like knoppix or ubuntu |
| 13:46.51 | delire | lunaphyte_ so "/bin/ls" is returned without the trailing slash on that system? |
| 13:47.05 | syntaxx | bob2: ok thanks |
| 13:47.18 | lunaphyte_ | delire: yes - that works. |
| 13:47.26 | Anthro | battlecat: Which printer settings? Could you be more specific? |
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| 13:47.42 | battlecat | There is one under the GNOME desktop |
| 13:47.45 | battlecat | I used that one. |
| 13:47.46 | delire | lunaphyte_ well in that case i'd be *ver* suspicious of using /usr as a mountpoint. |
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| 13:47.55 | delire | s/*ver*/*very* |
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| 13:48.18 | lunaphyte_ | delire: really? why? |
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| 13:48.52 | delire | lunaphyte_ i bet you can't find anything in /usr |
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| 13:49.08 | Anthro | battlecat: Okay. I'm pretty sure that means you are using CUPS. I sure hope so. Use a web browser to go to http://localhost:631/printers |
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| 13:49.12 | syntaxx | bob2: ubuntu live cd is 663mb? |
| 13:49.18 | delire | lunaphyte_ i bet you can find anything outside of /usr. if i'm wrong, i have no idea what is up with your system. |
| 13:49.37 | bob2 | syntaxx: sounds about right |
| 13:49.41 | Cyano-Mobile | is it necesary to defragment a linux partition? if so how can it be done. |
| 13:49.47 | Anthro | Cyano-Mobile: No. |
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| 13:49.52 | battlecat | Ok what will that take me to Anthro? |
| 13:49.53 | delire | Cyano-Mobile: no such need/problem |
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| 13:50.18 | nvz | bob2: did you even read his question? he lost his netinst wanted to know if there was something *smaller* to fix his bootloader |
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| 13:50.56 | Anthro | battlecat: That will bring up the CUPS web interface, and should show you the printer you configured. |
| 13:50.57 | battlecat | I see. |
| 13:50.57 | syntaxx | bob2: im looking for a smaller file that can boot my debian so that i dont need to download large file or even the netinst.. |
| 13:50.57 | battlecat | Ok |
| 13:50.57 | battlecat | I will try that out. |
| 13:50.58 | battlecat | Thank you. |
| 13:50.58 | bob2 | syntaxx: oh |
| 13:51.01 | delire | Cyano-Mobile: 'fragmentation' is something that M$ introduced to boost hard disk and system memory sales. |
| 13:51.01 | bob2 | nvz: no, I just type randomly in the channel |
| 13:51.02 | fbi | haha |
| 13:51.05 | nvz | bob2: really? me too. |
| 13:51.09 | fbi | syntaxx: the business card iso is only around 40mb |
| 13:51.16 | delire | "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean it's not happening." |
| 13:51.29 | lunaphyte_ | delire: items in /usr seem to be returned: http://pastebin.com/375685 |
| 13:51.36 | syntaxx | fbi: where can i find those? |
| 13:51.41 | fbi | syntaxx: debian.org ? |
| 13:51.53 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
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| 13:52.26 | xKintaro | I just installed Debian (sarge) and xfs is using shitloads of CPU, any ideas? |
| 13:52.26 | delire | lunaphyte_ in that case i have absolutely no idea what is up with your system. the only thing you did differently in that find command was to remove quotes. |
| 13:52.26 | lunaphyte_ | delire: but i'm out of ideas too. i'm reading find's man page to see if i can just exclude /proc |
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| 13:53.10 | delire | lunaphyte_ might we wise yep. |
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| 13:53.13 | delire | s/we/be |
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| 13:53.32 | zms | could someone please suggest a good sid mirror? |
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| 13:53.48 | nvz | zms: I suggest apt-setup |
| 13:53.55 | nvz | zms: or installing apt-spy |
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| 13:54.52 | Anthro | lunaphyte_: Well, I think find -x will avoid crossing mountpoints, and /proc is a mountpoint. |
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| 13:55.18 | nvz | zms: good is a loose definition depending largly on the opinion of what it good. which may vary depending on local indepenant environment variables |
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| 13:56.35 | m4lu7 | hmm. w/grub, how would i go about loading a kernel module? i've got i810fb module, and want it to load veryquickly during boot process. |
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| 13:56.44 | m4lu7 | is this in grub, or am i looking in wrong place? |
| 13:56.48 | zms | nvz: heh. :) thanks. apt-setup is the right solution. thank you. |
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| 13:56.55 | lunaphyte_ | Anthro: proc is a mountpoint? why doesn't it show up in df ? |
| 13:56.55 | syntaxx | fbi: cant seem to find that business card =/ |
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| 13:57.09 | Supaplex | m4lu7: either compile your kernel static, or use initrd |
| 13:57.14 | peej | my mail problem turned out to be inetd default. My rate of making and tearing down connections was too high. So I redid it so that the mail went in one connection. |
| 13:57.35 | m4lu7 | Supaplex, i can't have it in kernel, as it collides with x drm for i810; i do use initrd |
| 13:57.41 | Anthro | lunaphyte: It's a special filesystem. Look at the output from mount. |
| 13:58.01 | m4lu7 | the module is loading, just late (rather) in the boot process |
| 13:58.04 | Supaplex | m4lu7: you'll need the module on your initrd image |
| 13:58.06 | wang | hehe I love when i'm browsing the web and i get popups saying "Your Windows OS is infected with spyware and virii, click here to clean it!" I'm like, OMG I'M INFESTED WITH WINDOWS! |
| 13:58.11 | Anthro | lunaphyte_: It's a special filesystem. Look at the output from mount. |
| 13:58.18 | Supaplex | m4lu7: is it causing any issues loading that late? |
| 13:58.20 | lunaphyte_ | Anthro: oh, right. ok. |
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| 13:58.35 | m4lu7 | Supaplex, little bit, yeah. no bootsplash. |
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| 13:58.44 | fbi | syntaxx: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 13:58.49 | fbi | (bottom of page) |
| 13:58.55 | m4lu7 | Supaplex, you say, "need module on initrd image"... that is accomplished how, exactly? |
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| 13:59.27 | Supaplex | m4lu7: uncompress your initrd, mount it locally, go from there |
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| 13:59.56 | m4lu7 | Supaplex, i thought make-kpkg squared that away for me, though |
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| 14:00.33 | syntaxx | fbi: the floopyinst? |
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| 14:00.51 | fbi | syntaxx: Official businesscard images for the "stable" release |
| 14:00.53 | fbi | (bottom of page) |
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| 14:01.17 | Supaplex | m4lu7: i'm a bit fuzzy in that dept. try google *shrug* |
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| 14:01.38 | m4lu7 | yeah. man page gives up little |
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| 14:02.26 | syntaxx | fbi: thanks |
| 14:02.33 | fbi | no problem |
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| 14:03.16 | fken | hello : what could happen when you plug dvi and svga together under linux? is it possible that the nv cannot load itself when xserver boot ? |
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| 14:03.42 | locloc | Hello. My crontab under root wasn't empty by default. Can someone send me the content which is in this crontab at the beginning? |
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| 14:04.17 | fbi | locloc: crontab isn't supposed to be empty. |
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| 14:04.25 | fireba11 | fken plug dvi and svga together ? how would you do that ? |
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| 14:04.31 | tmccrary | hey, i am trying to apt-get install mysql-server and it wants to install exim4 also for some reason. Why, and how do I NOT do that? |
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| 14:05.03 | stew | locloc: do you mean "crontab -l"? or /etc/crontab or /etc/cron.* or what? |
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| 14:06.36 | Anthro | tmccrary: Many packages want some MTA installed. You don't have to install exim4, but you need something. |
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| 14:07.25 | tmccrary | Thanks Anthro, I see now, Unfortunately, that is very, very stupid. Why would the maintainers do this |
| 14:07.31 | stew | tmccrary: it wants an mta so that it can email you if any of your tables become corrupted. |
| 14:07.37 | Zugschlus | running Debian without an MTA is next to impossible in these days |
| 14:07.37 | fken | fireba11: i didnt know that i didnt require both of them to be plugged and i plugged them... |
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| 14:07.55 | tmccrary | I bet I can't tell it to ignore a dependency, either, right? |
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| 14:08.07 | fireba11 | fken: ouch ... shouldn't do any harm though |
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| 14:08.18 | stew | tmccrary: look at ssmtp and nullmailer |
| 14:08.28 | tmccrary | okay, thanks |
| 14:08.34 | Anthro | tmccrary: It isn't so much the maintainers as the fact that an awful lot of packages expect some ability to communicate asynchronously with local users. Generally this means sending email advisories to root. |
| 14:08.34 | fken | fireba11: debian used the svga |
| 14:08.56 | Anthro | tmccrary: You may want to set up exim4 for local delivery only. |
| 14:08.57 | fireba11 | fken: obviously .. what about it ? |
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| 14:09.13 | tmccrary | the weird thing is that I have postfix installed (but I can't remember if I did that manually or used apt) |
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| 14:09.28 | Zugschlus | tmccrary: dpkg --list postfix* |
| 14:09.32 | stew | tmccrary: dpkg -l postfix ; does the line start with ii? |
| 14:09.33 | Anthro | tmccrary: If it isn't satisfying the dependency, you must have done it manually. |
| 14:09.33 | fireba11 | tmccrary: looks like you did it manually |
| 14:09.36 | fireba11 | hi Zugschlus |
| 14:09.43 | Zugschlus | hi fireba11 |
| 14:09.45 | stew | tmccrary: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 14:09.48 | fken | fireball i am wondering if it's what makes me have some troubles to install linux |
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| 14:10.08 | tmccrary | Thanks everyone |
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| 14:10.12 | fken | i have trouble to compile something with jam : crystal space |
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| 14:10.30 | fireba11 | fken: can't see a connection there |
| 14:10.34 | fken | http://rafb.net/paste/results/DSWvDu64.html |
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| 14:11.00 | locloc | stew: crontab -l |
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| 14:11.19 | stew | locloc: that is empty when you first install debian |
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| 14:12.16 | fireba11 | locloc: just some comments there |
| 14:12.26 | locloc | stew: i remember that under debian 3.1 it wasn't empty. Something like ..=bin... was in there. |
| 14:12.29 | fken | fireba11: i dunno but i thought it was strange to see that linux was unable to have any display with a geforce 6600 |
| 14:12.50 | locloc | fireball: and these comments aren't necessary? |
| 14:13.00 | fireba11 | fken: you know you need to install nVidia driver manually ? |
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| 14:13.06 | locloc | fireball: and these comments aren't necessary? |
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| 14:13.12 | locloc | fireba11: and these comments aren't necessary? |
| 14:13.20 | fireba11 | locloc: correct |
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| 14:13.51 | tmccrary | hey, what command do I use to select a new apt mirror (with the dpkg-configure interface) |
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| 14:14.08 | fbi | tmccrary: apt-setup |
| 14:14.12 | fken | fireba11: i finally fund the way : vesa first and nvidia-onliner then |
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| 14:14.20 | tmccrary | thank you, fbi |
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| 14:14.25 | fireba11 | locloc: wait .. i'm taking that back |
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| 14:14.33 | fken | fireball: now my opengl is workin |
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| 14:14.58 | fireba11 | locloc: i'll paste in #flood |
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| 14:16.20 | fireba11 | locloc: err .. sorry .. messed that up .. |
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| 14:17.43 | locloc | fireba11: me2... :) |
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| 14:23.06 | deepz | i had downloaded kernel 2.6.13 on my sarge |
| 14:23.16 | deepz | everything went perfevt |
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| 14:23.57 | darkcmd | hi |
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| 14:25.04 | deepz | when i did reboot it is not finding the boot |
| 14:25.15 | deepz | drive had1 |
| 14:25.19 | m4lu7 | Supaplex, seems it's a function of /etc/mkinitrd/modules ... so, added my module & opts there, made a test initrd, and bam. it works. |
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| 14:25.25 | fireba11 | downlaoded or installed ? :-D |
| 14:25.26 | deepz | it is giving kernel panic error |
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| 14:25.32 | deepz | vfs not syncing |
| 14:25.37 | tmccrary | Does anyone know if emdebian is dead? |
| 14:25.50 | clusty | how can i blacklist a module so it does not get automatically loaded? |
| 14:25.55 | fireba11 | deepz did you apt-get the kernel ? |
| 14:25.57 | asg | clusty: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 14:26.14 | deepz | firebal11:no from kernel.org |
| 14:26.21 | fbi | fireba11: there is no apt-gettable 2.6.13 kernel image in the stable branch |
| 14:26.25 | stew | deepz: when you compile your kernel you need to include everything necessary to mount your root fs including the fs driver and the hard disk controller directly in the kernel, not as modules, or you need to use a initrd |
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| 14:26.44 | stew | fbi: s/the stable/any/ |
| 14:26.49 | fbi | word |
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| 14:27.00 | deepz | i still have both kernels the 2.4 kernel and 2.6 both |
| 14:27.07 | deepz | i did see the grub entries |
| 14:27.27 | deepz | in the last step dpkg -i kernel-inage.deb |
| 14:27.37 | deepz | it made entries in grub |
| 14:27.40 | clusty | thanx |
| 14:27.51 | deepz | where it has not put initrd image path |
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| 14:28.05 | stew | deepz: did you compile with --initrd? |
| 14:28.06 | deepz | is this the problem |
| 14:28.08 | guevolt | i'm recompilling the kernel here. but i receiving a error of driver mtd. What is this drivers/mtd/chips ? Can i remove this support? |
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| 14:28.49 | deepz | stew:do i need to give this paramater while i am going for make-kpkg |
| 14:29.07 | stew | deepz: either that or you compile the drivers directly into the kernel |
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| 14:29.26 | deepz | stew: can i do that separately now |
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| 14:30.20 | stew | guevolt: if you don't know what mtd is you almost definately don't need it |
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| 14:30.58 | ubuntu_ | hi |
| 14:31.07 | stew | deepz: you can make the initrd after the fact but it won't be managed by dpkg like the rest of your kernel-image, you should be running make-kpkg again probably |
| 14:31.22 | stew | deepz: why are you compiling a kernel in the first place, what is wrong with the debian compiled kernel? |
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| 14:31.37 | guevolt | stew: but maybe i need use and don't know know this. |
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| 14:32.00 | deepz | stew:it is not identifying my usb wireless nic which is of 3com |
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| 14:32.06 | stew | guevolt: make menuconfig, go to the MTD section and go to help |
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| 14:32.34 | guevolt | stew: do you know here i find this mtd on menuconfig ? |
| 14:32.37 | stew | deepz: what driver in 2.6.13 supports your nic? |
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| 14:33.10 | stew | guevolt: right at the top level, the 4th or 5th one down? |
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| 14:33.33 | deepz | what i have been told is due to extensive support of EHCI usb in 2.6.10 and above it may identify |
| 14:33.51 | stew | deepz: what version of debian are you running |
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| 14:34.58 | deepz | sarge 2.4.27 |
| 14:35.04 | MrNikel | How I need to build an Xorg module to have my wacom tablet working propertly. The points is that it needs the Xorg-sdk to be built. Does debian has such package. I cant find anyone suitable, |
| 14:35.08 | guevolt | stew:humm. i think i need use this module "Memory Technology Devices are flash, RAM and similar chips, often used for solid state file systems on embedded devices." |
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| 14:35.36 | deepz | stew:also i have a driver from prism54usb with .arm extension which requires 2.6.10 and above kernel |
| 14:35.36 | stew | !wayc guevolt |
| 14:35.38 | dpkg | guevolt: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 14:37.15 | peppo | erm. amsynth, qjackctl et all are compiled to use libjack.0 |
| 14:37.22 | peppo | er, libjack-0.100.0.so.0 |
| 14:37.30 | deepz | stew:?????? any other soln |
| 14:37.33 | stew | MrNikel: what version of debian? |
| 14:37.34 | peppo | but libjack0... only gives libjack.so! |
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| 14:37.43 | MrNikel | sid stew |
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| 14:38.09 | stew | MrNikel: it would be part of the xorg source package: http://packages.debian.org/testing/source/xorg-x11 |
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| 14:40.09 | guevolt | stew: do you tell me to use a kernel repository apt ? (kernel image) |
| 14:40.11 | darkcmd | anyone in here ever use alian |
| 14:40.22 | Anthro | !anyone |
| 14:40.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:40.24 | Jurples | hi mozilla-firefox gives me 2 xlib errors and Gtk-warning: cannot open display |
| 14:40.29 | stew | guevolt: yes, is there a reason not to use a debian compiled kernel |
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| 14:40.56 | deeLer | okay, my |
| 14:40.58 | deeLer | oops |
| 14:40.59 | deeLer | :) |
| 14:41.13 | cahoot | Jurples: a guess: trying as root in users X? |
| 14:41.29 | deeLer | is there an netistall image available for amd64 that supports the aic79xx controller ? |
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| 14:41.36 | Jurples | in users X? |
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| 14:41.54 | Jurples | im in KDE logged in as root |
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| 14:42.18 | cahoot | Jurples: did you start kde as root? |
| 14:42.30 | Jurples | yes |
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| 14:42.52 | Ronin | Jurples: why? its not necessary |
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| 14:43.01 | deepz_ | stew:????any other option instead of kernel compil |
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| 14:43.15 | Jurples | i'm new and don't know how to give permissions yet |
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| 14:43.19 | stew | deepz_: not on sarge, on etch and sid there are newer precompiled kernels available |
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| 14:43.38 | nkuttler | Jurples: don't run x or kde as root |
| 14:43.39 | deepz_ | how can i download sid or etch |
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| 14:43.47 | Ronin | deepz_: www.debian.org |
| 14:43.49 | deepz_ | i had asked that previously |
| 14:43.56 | nkuttler | deepz_: you should not |
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| 14:44.09 | Ronin | or you can upgrade from stable, but if you have to ask etc... |
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| 14:44.14 | guevolt | stew: well. i'm installed a sarge here on my company. Kernel 2.4.27 from apt(kernel image). But i'm have many problems like error when the kernel access a address of stack. |
| 14:44.16 | Jurples | kk brb then |
| 14:44.21 | brendan_ | i have installed openoffice 1.9 by converting there binary rpms to deb, however the fonts are unreadable. When i run oo as root, the fonts look fine. I have installed this on another computer and everything works fine. Both computer are running sarge. Any ideas? |
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| 14:44.46 | stew | guevolt: what are you changing in the kenrel config that you think might fix that? |
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| 14:44.51 | stew | kernel* |
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| 14:45.09 | lestest | hi there, is it possible to change a file 'change' date? |
| 14:45.18 | nkuttler | lestest: man touch |
| 14:45.34 | lestest | no mention about the change date in the man page |
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| 14:46.10 | guevolt | stew: yes. this is the last thing that i will try to do. I think was the RAM but is not. I think was the cpu temperature but is not. |
| 14:46.14 | stew | lestest: in the man page its "modification" not "change" |
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| 14:46.36 | stew | guevolt: what are you changing in the kenrel config that you think might fix that? |
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| 14:47.16 | lestest | stew: nkuttler: stat file : Access: Mon Sep 15 14:00:00 2003 Modify: Mon Sep 15 14:00:00 2003 Change: Tue Sep 27 15:03:45 2005 how can I change this last value? |
| 14:47.34 | guevolt | stew: i remove acpi, isdn, usb and other supports |
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| 14:48.30 | DotHack | anyone uses mondo in here? |
| 14:48.38 | deeLer | DotHack, yep |
| 14:48.49 | DotHack | deeLer, is it broken? |
| 14:49.04 | deeLer | what do you mean ? |
| 14:49.13 | nkuttler | lestest: dunno, but are you sure you don't want modification time? |
| 14:49.17 | stew | guevolt: you could use a precompiled kernel and just blacklist the modules or remove hotplug / discover; /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 14:49.32 | DotHack | i'm getting errors when i try to restore from cd about init: grep: not found |
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| 14:49.46 | lestest | no I already did it |
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| 14:52.20 | guevolt | AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2700+ = K7 ? |
| 14:52.40 | deeLer | guevolt, K8 |
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| 14:53.48 | linnuxxy | is there any problem with MySQL Cluster with debian 3.1? |
| 14:54.05 | Jurples | im in kde and my mouse is offset to the right |
| 14:54.08 | Frostilicus | I recently ran into a probelm with large file support with apache on sarge, I searched google and found some bug reports about it, but they were all from like 2 years ago, does anyone know the status of LSF with apache and debian? |
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| 14:54.30 | guevolt | Which version of kernel(2.4) imagem from apt i could use? kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 ? |
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| 14:54.57 | Supaplex | m4lu7: cool. glad to hear it works. =) |
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| 14:55.13 | stew | guevolt: yes |
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| 14:55.18 | stew | deeLer: that is not k8 |
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| 14:56.40 | guevolt | stew: what is not k8? AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2700+ ? |
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| 14:57.01 | stew | guevolt: correct, k7 == athlon, k8 == opteron |
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| 14:57.37 | guevolt | stew: humm. k8 == opteton == 64 bits . right ? |
| 14:57.41 | stew | right |
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| 14:58.15 | Robin_ | msg hallo |
| 14:58.36 | guevolt | stew: i'm instalingl the kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 now.. |
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| 14:59.03 | MikkelK | What's your favorite web-based calendar? |
| 14:59.20 | Robin_ | Is debian een betrouwbaar besturingssysteem? |
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| 14:59.35 | nkuttler | Robin_: ? |
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| 15:00.00 | elkid | why not debian has a main forum like gentoo does? |
| 15:00.15 | Robin_ | zonder dat het veel virussen doorlaat enzo |
| 15:00.18 | r3v | is there are easy way to get the count of .deb's in sarge or etch? |
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| 15:00.36 | stew | r3v: /msg dpkg dstats sarge |
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| 15:00.40 | Ronin | Robin_: try in english |
| 15:00.44 | nkuttler | Robin_: dutch? |
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| 15:00.55 | stew | r3v: although i believe that includes contrib and non-free as well |
| 15:00.59 | stew | r3v: but i'm not sure |
| 15:01.01 | deeLer | Ronin, ja |
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| 15:01.07 | syntaxx | how to boot existing linux using netinst? |
| 15:01.07 | Robin_ | yes i am dutch but i shall type in english ;) |
| 15:01.07 | guevolt | stew: pray for me.hehe |
| 15:01.11 | r3v | stew: awesome, thanks. I just need more ammo for arguments :) |
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| 15:01.14 | nkuttler | !dutch |
| 15:01.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dutch is soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
| 15:01.22 | Robin_ | thought it was a dutch server but no prob |
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| 15:02.17 | Ronin | Robin_: server may be dutch but that doesnt mean the channels are |
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| 15:02.21 | guevolt | stew: let me reboot the system. bye |
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| 15:02.38 | Robin_ | can i use debian also for other application then only write messages and such stuff or do i need windows on my comp too? |
| 15:02.40 | r3tex | where do i get the make-kpkg program? |
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| 15:02.55 | Ronin | elkid: forums.debian.org perhaps? |
| 15:02.55 | r3v | r3tex: kernel-package |
| 15:03.13 | nkuttler | Robin_: well what kind of applications do you need? |
| 15:03.13 | Robin_ | I saw dutch words or commands in this channel so |
| 15:03.15 | vca | r3tex: kernel-package, but install apt-file and you can search for what pkg provides $filename |
| 15:03.27 | syntaxx | how to boot existing linux using netinst? or what is the command at boot? |
| 15:03.28 | r3tex | vca cool |
| 15:03.32 | ptlis | Hi, i'm installing Samba and as part of it's configuration script it's promping to whether or not I want it to run as a deamon or inetd saying deamon is advised. What's the difference between the two? |
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| 15:03.42 | Robin_ | application more like games and such |
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| 15:04.04 | nkuttler | Robin_: there are a lot of games in debian... but for gaming i guess windows is still better |
| 15:04.15 | vca | ptlis: it's asking if you want to use the built in fork()ing mechanism of the daemon, or if you want to use the inetd superserver. |
| 15:04.26 | jtza8 | Is there an iptables boot script in init.d by default? |
| 15:04.26 | r3v | ptlis: I always run it as a daemon so I can start/stop just it as needed |
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| 15:04.39 | delire | Robin_: linuxgames.com or to run your windows games in debian, transgaming.com |
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| 15:05.04 | Konky | hi |
| 15:05.08 | Konky | i try for 3 hours now to get a pppd dialin server running |
| 15:05.14 | ptlis | vca, r3v thanks - i'll run it as a deamon. |
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| 15:05.29 | Konky | this great peace of software does not report ANY error but "lcp timeout" |
| 15:05.29 | elkid | Robin_, that 1 doesnt seem to be up |
| 15:05.36 | Robin_ | and is it easy to use for someone of a age of 14 ? and not good knowledge of computers |
| 15:05.50 | vca | Konky: do you have debug in your ppp config files? |
| 15:05.59 | nkuttler | Robin_: define use |
| 15:06.03 | Konky | yep |
| 15:06.21 | r3v | stew: I dpkg is having some issues with dstats, is there another way? |
| 15:06.27 | syntaxx | i have problems in booting my existing linux using netinst what is the boot line that i needed to type to be able to load my old linux |
| 15:06.37 | nkuttler | Robin_: if there's an admin, yes, if the 14 year old is smart and willing to learn, yes |
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| 15:06.55 | delire | Robin_: this may also be of use: http://www.phoronix.com/ |
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| 15:06.57 | Robin_ | can you use a other word of discribe, i dont know the word discribe:S |
| 15:07.18 | Konky | you only see this crap "send lcp confreq" in rows |
| 15:07.20 | Konky | and then it times out |
| 15:07.23 | Konky | not any reason why |
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| 15:07.32 | maebmij | syntaxx: total guess: "linux root=/dev/hda1" (or whatever your root partition is) |
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| 15:07.44 | syntaxx | ok maebmij thanks |
| 15:07.51 | r3v | syntaxx: look through the F keys on the loader that comes up. it used to be 'rescue somthing something...' |
| 15:07.59 | nkuttler | Robin_: try #debian.nl for dutch chat, type "/join #debian.nl" |
| 15:08.18 | Robin_ | keej i shall do that |
| 15:08.26 | Konky | LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests |
| 15:08.26 | Konky | Connection terminated. |
| 15:08.28 | Robin_ | thanx anyway |
| 15:08.35 | Konky | same shit on both sides (client and server) |
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| 15:11.48 | stew | r3v: packages.debian.org would tell you |
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| 15:12.24 | stew | r3v: wget -O - http://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages.en.txt.gz | zcat | wc -l |
| 15:12.25 | FlimFlamMan | i don't suppose there is html layout for courier's sqwebmail that isn't as ass-disgustingly hideous as the default? |
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| 15:13.34 | jtza8 | Which package do I have to re-configure to get my locale set up correctly? |
| 15:13.46 | delire | jtza8: locale? |
| 15:13.50 | nkuttler | FlimFlamMan: you can still install some other webmailer |
| 15:13.55 | delire | jtza8: dpkg-reconfigure locale |
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| 15:14.09 | Kvant | jtza8, locales ? |
| 15:14.09 | delire | jtza8: dpkg-reconfigure locales* |
| 15:14.24 | jtza8 | delire, then it must have been a typo on my part :) |
| 15:14.34 | delire | jtza8: ;) |
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| 15:15.14 | r3v | stew: thanks, 16,851 |
| 15:15.21 | delire | i try to stay on testing, for years i've done this dance from testing, to testing/unstable and back to unstable. here i go again. |
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| 15:19.10 | cmdKeen | what is correct usage of 'at' command ? for example I wanna run firefox at 17:20. I type 'at 17:20 today' and ? |
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| 15:19.28 | cmdKeen | I read man but I can't figure out |
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| 15:20.59 | bwana147 | cmdKeen: "at and batch read commands from standard input" |
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| 15:21.24 | Muk2341 | :o |
| 15:21.37 | bwana147 | should be more something like: echo firefox | at 17:20 today |
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| 15:23.45 | cmdKeen | bwana147: I thought so, but... well, I try... |
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| 15:26.02 | Muk2341 | ok, so i just put Linux on my computer, and it brings me to a grey login screen. with an X as a cursor. so i login with my info and i get message saying no "/home/username/xsession" file, no "home/username/.Xsession" fle,no session/window, managers, and terminal emulators found; aborting |
| 15:26.02 | DotHack | why isnt mkcdrec in the apt repositories? |
| 15:26.06 | Muk2341 | any clue on what to do? |
| 15:26.30 | abrotman | install something besides just X ? |
| 15:26.40 | Muk2341 | such as? |
| 15:26.52 | maebmij | Muk2341, it sounds like you didn't pick "desktop environment" at the install stage. try installing "gnome-desktop-environment" for example. |
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| 15:27.18 | Muk2341 | so, after, in the setup,. i do apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment? |
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| 15:27.29 | maebmij | Muk2341, yeah. |
| 15:27.34 | Muk2341 | btw, i did pick desktop environment at teh install stage, but nothing happened... |
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| 15:27.41 | Muk2341 | hmm |
| 15:27.47 | Muk2341 | i think i know what i did wrong |
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| 15:28.03 | cmdKeen | bwana147: nope, nothing. |
| 15:28.07 | Muk2341 | when i got to the stage that asked what i want installed, the only thing that had a * was Mail server or w/e |
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| 15:28.40 | ptlis | Okay, so samba is running fine but one of my Windows workstations requires a username/password to access it's smb shares. Can someone link me to a page or quickly tell me how I tell samba to use this username/password combination? |
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| 15:29.09 | petemc | ptlis: you can put them as options to the mount command |
| 15:29.13 | ptlis | When I Google it I mostly get pages telling me how to configure printer sharing. |
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| 15:29.29 | nkuttler | Muk2341: so... now you want to install gnome? or kde? or something else? |
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| 15:29.47 | ptlis | petemc, the only way to do this is by mounting the directorys? |
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| 15:29.58 | Muk2341 | i guess |
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| 15:30.00 | petemc | ptlis: what way are you doing it now? |
| 15:30.08 | concept10 | How do I uninstall Enemy Territory? |
| 15:30.14 | nkuttler | Muk2341: /msg dpkg install gnome or /msg dpkg install kde |
| 15:30.20 | beardy | concept10: Is that in debian? |
| 15:30.23 | Muk2341 | ty |
| 15:30.28 | nkuttler | Muk2341: you can run tastsel again if you like |
| 15:30.32 | syntaxx | maebmij: im getting kernel panic when typing my device linux root=/dev/hda3 already tried all my device |
| 15:30.34 | nkuttler | Muk2341: tasksel even |
| 15:30.38 | concept10 | beardy, on Sarge. |
| 15:30.42 | Muk2341 | okey dokey |
| 15:30.44 | Muk2341 | i think i will |
| 15:30.50 | ptlis | petemc, using nautilous to browse to that computer. |
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| 15:31.05 | petemc | ptlis: so use smb://username:password@host |
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| 15:31.20 | ptlis | petemc, thanks :) I wish i'd thought to try that before. |
| 15:31.23 | beardy | concept10: apt-get remove --purge packagename then. |
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| 15:31.55 | syntaxx | im getting kernel panic when typing my device at boot using netinst just to load my old linux at these line linux root=/dev/hda3 already tried all my device |
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| 15:32.05 | cmdKeen | concept10: he meant if it's deb package ? |
| 15:32.07 | siegie | what do you guys think of the ipod nano |
| 15:32.08 | concept10 | beardy, i didnt install with a .deb, it uses some kind of installer, thats why I asked. |
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| 15:32.46 | coltrane | hi all |
| 15:33.11 | beardy | concept10: I suspected that, that's why I asked if it was in debian ('s repositories) |
| 15:33.14 | syntaxx | im getting kernel panic when typing my device at boot using netinst just to load my old linux at these line linux root=/dev/hda3 already tried all my device anybody knows how to fix it? |
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| 15:33.31 | coltrane | can someone help me with this : i've installed cupsys and configure my printer, and when i want to print a test page from the cups web interface, it works, but i can't print anything else |
| 15:33.35 | maebmij | syntaxx, what are you trying to do? repair your system so it will boot from the hard disk again? |
| 15:33.46 | beardy | concept10: Check if there is an uninstall option. 'program -h' |
| 15:33.51 | concept10 | beardy, im thinking maybe i could just delete the directories |
| 15:33.58 | coltrane | the question is how can i know which command cups do to print test page |
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| 15:34.25 | syntaxx | maebmij: i format my win xp and bootloader is gone .. now i want to put bootloader again so i needed to run my linux for me to load the bootloader |
| 15:34.26 | cievo | all: hello...anyone knows any channel about coding in CPP ? |
| 15:34.31 | beardy | concept10: If it keeps all it's things in one directory, you probably could do that yes. |
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| 15:34.52 | Anthro | cievo: ##C++ |
| 15:35.00 | cievo | Anthro: thankx :) |
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| 15:35.53 | ptlis | petemc, that still doesn't seem to work - I know i've specified the correct credentials though. |
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| 15:35.58 | syntaxx | maebmij: but when i input linux root=/dev/hda3 which is my ext2 it says kernel panic.. i already tried loading al my /dev/hda but it also says kernel panic |
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| 15:36.30 | beardy | syntaxx: Have you compiled your own kernel? |
| 15:36.31 | resiak | syntaxx: You need to feed it an initrd! |
| 15:36.43 | syntaxx | beardy: yeah |
| 15:36.48 | grimzy | err, is it possible to install debian remotely using only ssh - with no physical access to the box? |
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| 15:36.59 | syntaxx | resiak: how? |
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| 15:37.21 | nkuttler | grimzy: afaik you can do a chroot install |
| 15:37.24 | beardy | grimzy: With some luck yes. |
| 15:37.25 | nakeee | is there nice interface to control which services load on boot? |
| 15:37.31 | resiak | syntaxx: With grub? |
| 15:37.32 | nakeee | something like chkconfig on redhat systems |
| 15:37.35 | bwana147 | grimzy: I guess you will at need a physical access to boot the machine |
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| 15:37.39 | nkuttler | nakeee: rcconf |
| 15:37.40 | syntaxx | resiak: lilo |
| 15:37.40 | resiak | syntaxx: initrd /path/to/it I _think_ |
| 15:37.43 | resiak | syntaxx: Oh, NFI :) |
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| 15:38.09 | syntaxx | ok ill give it a try |
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| 15:38.30 | smacnay | Is there a debian command for enabling and disabling startup scripts like xdm? |
| 15:38.37 | smacnay | update-? |
| 15:38.37 | cmdKeen | !tell syntaxx about initrd ??? |
| 15:38.43 | nkuttler | smacnay: rcconf |
| 15:38.51 | beardy | !tell nakeee about update-rc.d |
| 15:38.52 | Anthro | smacnay: I'm fond of sysv-rc-conf |
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| 15:38.56 | smacnay | rcconf? wow, never seen that one before. |
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| 15:39.05 | r3tex | i've uninstalled kernel headers |
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| 15:39.11 | smacnay | update-rc.d is the one I remember now. |
| 15:39.12 | r3tex | how come theyre left in /usr/src? |
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| 15:39.26 | nkuttler | smacnay: rcconf is just a frontend to that |
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| 15:39.40 | syntaxx | resiak: now looking for ramdisk image |
| 15:39.52 | smacnay | nkuttler: I might just try it, then. Thanks |
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| 15:41.05 | takatumi | speaking of never heard anyone recommending 'bum'. ;-/ |
| 15:41.10 | ptlis | Huzzah, got it working. |
| 15:41.18 | takatumi | *services |
| 15:41.26 | smacnay | nkuttler: when run for the first time, do all the astericks indicate what is starting up or what can start up?? |
| 15:41.41 | smacnay | nkuttler: I am seeing stuff that I am sure doesn't start and it is selected. |
| 15:41.58 | nkuttler | smacnay: why are you sure it doesn't start? |
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| 15:42.30 | syntaxx | resiak: any way? |
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| 15:42.33 | smacnay | nkuttler: I have never seen output for some of these things during start... I had better look more closely. |
| 15:42.41 | resiak | syntaxx: Does your kernel not have one in /boot ? |
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| 15:42.50 | smacnay | nkuttler: timidity has a start script? Wow. |
| 15:42.53 | syntaxx | resiak: there is |
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| 15:43.18 | nkuttler | smacnay: yeah, it's amazing how many packages want an init script |
| 15:43.20 | pabs3 | is there such a thing as a debian livecd, or is that the territory of knoppix/etc? |
| 15:43.21 | resiak | syntaxx: So you tell lilo to use it. I don't know how: I've never used lilo. |
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| 15:43.50 | smacnay | nkuttler: nfs and nfs-kernel-server are listed but I don't have nfs set up at all. |
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| 15:44.07 | syntaxx | resiak: yeah i know.. but the problem is i cant boot to my old box because i formatted my xp an boot loader is gone |
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| 15:44.16 | fmarostica | hello all |
| 15:44.17 | nkuttler | smacnay: are the packages installed? |
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| 15:44.31 | nkuttler | erm |
| 15:44.33 | fbi | syntaxx: add an entry to lilo for your XP partition, and run lilo |
| 15:44.34 | fmarostica | Why this pdbedit -r --Fullname="Foobar" -u myuser |
| 15:44.39 | fmarostica | doesn't work? |
| 15:45.07 | maebmij | syntaxx: so it'll probably be something like "linux root=/dev/hda1 initrd=/boot/whatever"... |
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| 15:45.09 | smacnay | nkuttler: let me see - I see lpd, cupsys, and lprng all selected. I know I use cups so there are some things that might need to be cleaned up. |
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| 15:45.14 | resiak | syntaxx: Get a grub boot disk. Grub makes this stuff easy. Alternatively, get a tomsrtbt or livecd, boot that, chroot into your system, re-run lilo. |
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| 15:45.29 | Iv_19 | fgfgfg |
| 15:45.31 | Iv_19 | ffffffffffffffffff |
| 15:45.35 | syntaxx | fbi: yeah i cant run lilo on my linux because i cant run linux at all.. need to boot it first |
| 15:45.37 | nkuttler | smacnay: afaik the asterisks only mean that the links in /etc/rc are set, see man update-rc.d |
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| 15:45.48 | syntaxx | ok maebmij ill try that out |
| 15:45.52 | fbi | syntaxx: you can if you do what resiak just said |
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| 15:46.18 | delire | syntaxx: grab a live cd, chroot into your Linux partition and run lilo. |
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| 15:46.26 | resiak | Do I hear an echo? ;) |
| 15:46.27 | nkuttler | smacnay: though postrm should remove those i guess |
| 15:46.29 | fbi | he's been told that, twice. |
| 15:46.37 | maebmij | syntaxx, otherwise as resiak said, boot from a bootable something, mount your root, say "chroot /mnt/wherever-you-mounted", and run lilo from there. |
| 15:46.51 | delire | resiak: heh, sorry ;) |
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| 15:46.57 | smacnay | nkuttler: thanks |
| 15:46.58 | resiak | delire: Kidding :) |
| 15:47.15 | nkuttler | smacnay: np |
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| 15:47.41 | fbi | syntaxx: i can show you what you need to add to lilo in #flood when you get to that point, i still use lilo on my notebook to dual boot win2k |
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| 15:48.55 | delire | anyone know of published statistics as to how traffic is proportionally distributed across the stable/testing and unstable directories of all debian repo's (incl. mirrors)? is that stuff even collated? |
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| 15:49.31 | takatumi | bum won't load. |
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| 15:50.05 | antgel | takatumi: have something to eat. :P |
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| 15:50.38 | takatumi | antgel: bum needs some newer gtkpie. |
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| 15:51.47 | manuk | I've a problem with ps2 mouse that doesn't work. Anyone can help me? |
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| 15:52.16 | antgel | !tell manuk about ask |
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| 15:52.55 | nkuttler | antgel: ... |
| 15:52.56 | takatumi | try reading this error message with a straight face. http://gpoppy.org/2005-09-27-185156_1024x768_scrot.png |
| 15:53.10 | nkuttler | manuk: how does it not work? does it move at all? |
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| 15:54.05 | antgel | !topicsmite manuk |
| 15:54.06 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon manuk. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 15:54.58 | manuk | I've a laptop and the touchpad works but the ps2 no |
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| 15:55.41 | antgel | manuk: fix your X config file |
| 15:55.45 | nkuttler | manuk: you will probably need to hand-edit your XF86Config-4 and add a second mouse section |
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| 15:56.35 | ircops | Hey what packages do I need to start with to put gnome on my box? dpkg doesn't say |
| 15:56.39 | manuk | I've tried all the possible solution with the config file, but it doesn't work |
| 15:56.43 | resiak | !install gnome |
| 15:56.43 | dpkg | [install gnome] to install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 15:56.45 | ircops | I have Xfree already |
| 15:56.47 | resiak | ircops: ^^ yes he does |
| 15:56.50 | ircops | thanks lol |
| 15:56.53 | stouset | Hm, is there a way to specify multiple "preferred" WAPs in /etc/network/interfaces for a wireless card? I have a wireless interface being brought up automatically by waproamd, but where I work, all of the WAPs are protected by a key (not to mention, I need a *specific* one). However, if I put this in /etc/network/interfaces, I can't then later bind to other WAPs like at home or my university. |
| 15:56.57 | Bac9 | ircops: gnome-fifth-toe should get you everything |
| 15:57.04 | ptlis | In gconf i've set the URL-handler for http to "firefox -remote 'openURL(%s,new-tab)'" - testing this in the commandline replacing %s with a URL works fine, but if I make a Link Launcher with a http URL it doesn't work as expected. |
| 15:57.05 | resiak | stouset: Something like wpasupplicant |
| 15:57.07 | ptlis | Any idea why? |
| 15:57.12 | Bac9 | ircops: just gnome should get you most things |
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| 15:57.42 | ircops | dpkg: gnome is also - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome> |
| 15:57.43 | dpkg | ircops: okay |
| 15:57.48 | stouset | resiak: Well, except using WEP :\ |
| 15:57.57 | resiak | stouset: wpasupplicant deals with that too |
| 15:58.06 | resiak | stouset: s/Something like // |
| 15:58.23 | stouset | resiak: Ah, great. I'll take a peek at it. |
| 15:58.38 | manuk | I've downloaded gpm and tpconfig, but when I use tpconfig it said me that it can open the dev/psaux port |
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| 16:00.04 | maebmij | nkuttler, manuk: that's an interesting question... if your trackpad presents as a ps2 mouse and you plug in an external ps2 mouse, are they two separate devices? what would their device names be? |
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| 16:00.41 | fbi | maebmij: i've done that before using /dev/psaux for the touchpad and /dev/input/mice for the actual mouse |
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| 16:02.02 | manuk | synaptics is the name of the touchpad and mouse1 the name of the other mouse |
| 16:02.21 | carrasco | ola |
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| 16:02.39 | carrasco | ola |
| 16:02.43 | ircops | hello |
| 16:02.53 | biblio | hola carrasco |
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| 16:04.00 | dmacks | Does the order of fields in a .deb control file matter? |
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| 16:04.09 | carrasco | alguien halba |
| 16:04.13 | fbi | !es |
| 16:04.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:04.19 | carrasco | habla español |
| 16:04.19 | dbron | Hi all, I managed to get bluetooth working for my mouse and keyboard using bluez, but if the mouse or keyboard are idle for a few minutes, I must completely reconnect. Anyone have experience with this behavior? I have googled but haven't found any help. |
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| 16:06.13 | carrasco | speak spanhis |
| 16:06.25 | ircops | !es |
| 16:06.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:06.42 | fbi | carrasco: no hablamos espanol aqui. /j #debian-es |
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| 16:11.04 | darkhmet | Somebody can help me please??? I Want to close a port, how i can do it?? |
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| 16:11.14 | resiak | darkhmet: Turn off the daemon using it. |
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| 16:12.07 | darkhmet | how i turn off these daemon??? |
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| 16:12.14 | darkhmet | im new in debian |
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| 16:12.19 | darkhmet | and linux |
| 16:12.41 | antgel | !tell darkhmet about grounding |
| 16:12.47 | antgel | darkhmet: what port? |
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| 16:13.17 | dbron | darkhmet: this link would be helpful to you also: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 16:15.11 | darkhmet | thanx |
| 16:15.17 | hutgyrr | im looking around for a backup solution to backup my macs. so far my best match is dar ( dar.sourceforge.net ) However, I need to be able to browse the archive index from the macs to find out what disk a specific archive is stored on. Anybody able to help out? |
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| 16:15.53 | hutgyrr | I think if I could browse the index through a web browser that would be the best bet |
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| 16:16.24 | Gob | hello guys! i need some help please.. i try to install php for use it on shell scripting.. how can i get the php executable ? is there a apt package for that ? |
| 16:17.01 | kombi | would anyone know of hand a command to rename everything .html into .php? |
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| 16:17.25 | pabs3 | Gob: aptitude install php4-cli ; echo <?="php4 cli!"?> | php4 |
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| 16:17.31 | carrasco | ola |
| 16:17.37 | hutgyrr | backupPC seems to have a great web interface but no mac support. |
| 16:17.39 | carrasco | hello |
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| 16:18.15 | hutgyrr | there must be something out there with the kind of functionality I need |
| 16:18.24 | carrasco | ola |
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| 16:18.30 | jim | !ask |
| 16:18.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 16:19.08 | antgel | hutgyrr: i was recommended rsnapshot the other day, which is superb |
| 16:19.16 | kombi | i ask: how do you rename a large number of files elegantly? |
| 16:19.36 | Gathond | kombi: if there is any system in the renaming then rename |
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| 16:19.40 | carrasco | final fantasy |
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| 16:19.47 | Gob | pabs3: can i use this on a shell script with #!../../php header ? |
| 16:19.50 | jim | kombi: you must dress in a $4000 armani suit first... |
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| 16:20.01 | jim | only THEN can you do it elegantly! |
| 16:20.04 | kombi | Gathond: just changing the ending from .html to .php |
| 16:20.06 | J_P | hi all |
| 16:20.11 | Gathond | kombi: in that case rename :) |
| 16:20.23 | Pfated | jim: Hate to break the news, but Gucci is the in-thing now. |
| 16:20.25 | kombi | jim: funny, I am dressed in it already.. |
| 16:20.30 | Gathond | kombi: I think its part of debians defeault perl install |
| 16:20.41 | rjalex | can anyone remember the repository to DL openoffice2 working for sarge/etch ?? the one from experimental has lotsa bugs. thank you |
| 16:20.44 | J_P | anyone know where I find last versio nof zoneminder packaged for debian ? i try in google and not find.. |
| 16:20.47 | jim | kombi: in that case anything you do will be elegant... |
| 16:20.51 | Pfated | kombi: man rename. Useful little thing. |
| 16:20.59 | kombi | jim: lol.. |
| 16:21.01 | hutgyrr | antgel: How do users view the archives? |
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| 16:21.06 | pabs3 | Gob: #!/usr/bin/php4 and then on the next line <?php |
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| 16:21.16 | kombi | I remember using that thing before even.. |
| 16:21.31 | rjalex | openoffice2 for testing ? |
| 16:21.41 | antgel | hutgyrr: www.rsnapshot.org - the archives are in .snapshot dirs. it uses hard links to save space |
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| 16:22.26 | Soophiya | can some one tell me whats the alternative of chkconfig in debian |
| 16:22.29 | hutgyrr | and can it handle splitting files for DVD and tracking them? |
| 16:22.49 | jim | Soophiya: chkconfig? for rc.d stuff? update-rc.d |
| 16:22.55 | nakeee | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.03 | FarrisG | ANyone know of a good tool for organizing and archiving large directories of data to DVD, spanning multiple discs, and allowing for easy reference/retrieval? |
| 16:23.15 | Bac9 | nakeee: you need udev to boot, so Ima guessing udev |
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| 16:23.34 | dbron | FarrisG: I think Mondo will do DVD |
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| 16:23.44 | rjalex | openoffice2 in that repository in .cz for etch ? |
| 16:23.51 | rjalex | dbron: mondo will do dvd |
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| 16:24.13 | rjalex | mondo/mindi does wonders :) |
| 16:24.33 | dbron | FarrisG: Disk spanning is a snap also for Mondo |
| 16:24.38 | Soophiya | jim apparently it gives only adding and removing option... is there any way to list of processes ON at certain run level |
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| 16:24.59 | FarrisG | dbron: I'll heck out Mondo, thanks |
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| 16:25.05 | ttyS1 | what packages do I need so I can run X windows system ? |
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| 16:25.20 | jim | Soophiya: ls /etc/rc<runlevel>.d |
| 16:25.23 | Bac9 | ttyS1: x-window-system-core is the basic one |
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| 16:25.42 | Bac9 | ttyS1: don't forget xfonts-base iirc |
| 16:26.02 | Gob | pabs3: thanks man ! |
| 16:26.03 | Gob | lol |
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| 16:26.27 | abacha | im using bash, i wrote a script to export some env vars. i source this script from bash and now execute another script that uses /bin/csh. the second script doesn't see the env vars i just sourced even though they show up in my shell, whats wrong? |
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| 16:27.12 | jim | ttyS1: do you understand the client/server nature of X? |
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| 16:28.08 | Gnea | abacha: C shell != Bourne Shell |
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| 16:28.35 | Bac9 | Gnea: don't env variables propogate? |
| 16:28.39 | abacha | Gnea: i know that, but the script im trying to use uses cshell, cant change it. and i use bash as my shell. what can i do? |
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| 16:29.24 | Gnea | Bac9: take a unix beginners class sometime, the difference will become blatantly obvious :) |
| 16:29.25 | Bac9 | abacha: you can try using `env` |
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| 16:29.40 | Bac9 | Gnea: you could just explain calmly |
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| 16:29.48 | Gnea | abacha: it's been years, but i know that csh has a completely different way of assigning env variables |
| 16:29.53 | jim | abacha: you must use C shell on a C shell script, and the env vars will -not- get to a bourne shell process unless you make arrangements (SMOP) to transfer them yourself. |
| 16:29.55 | Gnea | Bac9: i'm not being balm? |
| 16:29.57 | Gnea | er, calm |
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| 16:30.24 | Gnea | abacha: it's possible that there's a script which translates them |
| 16:30.28 | Bac9 | Gnea: didn't sound like it |
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| 16:30.41 | jim | and it's also possible to write one |
| 16:30.43 | Gnea | Bac9: perception is relative. |
| 16:30.52 | Bac9 | Gnea: true |
| 16:30.52 | abacha | Gnea: this all sounds needlessly complicated... :) |
| 16:30.55 | Gnea | :) |
| 16:30.58 | fmarostica | Anyone here use pdbedit for setting samba policy? |
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| 16:31.11 | Gnea | abacha: right, that's why i don't use csh :) |
| 16:31.14 | jim | abacha: then switch to all C shell or all bourne shell |
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| 16:31.36 | abacha | im al for swithcing everything to bash, but my prof uses csh and i must use her script... |
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| 16:32.08 | grendal_prime | is there a quick and dirty way to install an rpm via dpkg? |
| 16:32.16 | Gnea | grendal_prime: alien |
| 16:32.18 | jjazz | grendal_prime: alien |
| 16:32.18 | jim | or rewrite your original script in csh and call this csh script from whatever shell |
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| 16:32.21 | grendal_prime | its a noarch rpm |
| 16:32.26 | newcomer | ive some very newbie questions abt debian.....hope they get answered politely:) |
| 16:32.27 | jim | anyways, I'm afk |
| 16:32.28 | grendal_prime | should work on everything it says |
| 16:32.34 | jim | !ask |
| 16:32.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:32.44 | jjazz | grendal_prime: then alien should do just fine |
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| 16:32.48 | Gnea | newcomer: expect nothing, ask away. |
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| 16:33.40 | newcomer | what is the system of debian repos? |
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| 16:33.45 | cmdKeen | how can I specify more file types as parameter... like ls all *jpg AND *gif etc... |
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| 16:33.55 | Gnea | newcomer: have you ever used apt-get? |
| 16:34.05 | newcomer | like when any new stuff comes, what happens in debian world? |
| 16:34.07 | antgel | newcomer: your question doesn't make much sense. /msg dpkg grounding, please |
| 16:34.08 | Nasty | no |
| 16:34.16 | cmdKeen | newcomer: apt-get. don't heard "Debian - apt-get into it !" ? |
| 16:34.20 | newcomer | oh yes i have......i dont mean that |
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| 16:34.42 | Gnea | newcomer: then you need to articulate and reform your question. |
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| 16:34.48 | newcomer | like when any new stuff comes, what happens in debian world? what are sarge & sid? |
| 16:34.49 | antgel | newcomer: if you don't understand about debian releases, /msg dpkg releases |
| 16:34.58 | antgel | newcomer: http://www.debian.org/releases |
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| 16:35.22 | Gnea | !tell newcomer about sarge |
| 16:35.29 | Gnea | !tell newcomer about sid |
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| 16:36.27 | cmdKeen | newcomer: shortly new packages goes to sid(unstable). after while of testing they go to testing and after they are fully tested they move to stable. or at least I think so:) |
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| 16:37.00 | antgel | cmdKeen: that's the worst explanation ever. please don't spread this stuff :) |
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| 16:37.06 | Pfated | Nothing, NOTHING moves into stable. |
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| 16:37.16 | newcomer | when any new package is released, how soon it turns into a deb package in repos? |
| 16:37.19 | Pfated | At least, not the current stable. |
| 16:37.23 | cmdKeen | !dgiydk cmdKeen |
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| 16:37.39 | newcomer | but i found cmdkeen's explanation very explanatory:) |
| 16:37.44 | antgel | newcomer: you really need to go and read the documentation which you seem unwilling to do |
| 16:37.53 | antgel | newcomer: but it's incorrect |
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| 16:38.10 | newcomer | i couldnt find all this in docs....only how to install stuff etc |
| 16:38.16 | cmdKeen | newcomer: lo, sorry, i affraid antgel is right:) |
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| 16:38.25 | Bac9 | antgel: cmdKeen's explanation is basically correct if you think of "moves to stable" as a next stable release |
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| 16:38.46 | antgel | newcomer: did you read the debian reference? install guide? releases page? |
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| 16:39.04 | resiak | !releases |
| 16:39.04 | dpkg | releases is probably see http://debian.org/releases/ |
| 16:39.10 | cmdKeen | newcomer: and for this chanell smart question faq is also quite useful :-P |
| 16:39.11 | pabs3 | Pfated: stable gets updated. (generally) just not with new upstream versions |
| 16:39.11 | antgel | Bac9: i think an unconditional explanation is preferable |
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| 16:39.26 | Bac9 | antgel: it is unconditional, just up to interpretation |
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| 16:39.45 | antgel | Bac9: *nod* |
| 16:39.47 | Bac9 | antgel: just depends how precise you are |
| 16:39.59 | Pfated | pabs3: Only security. |
| 16:40.01 | Gnea | newcomer: it's up to the package maintainer (whoever takes care of generating the piece of software into a package) when it gets taken care of |
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| 16:40.56 | resiak | Pfated: Or for Firebadger :)( |
| 16:41.05 | Pfated | resiak: Wot? |
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| 16:41.37 | newcomer | i see....still a rough estimate of when new stuff get packaged? things like kde etc? |
| 16:41.42 | resiak | Pfated: Security updates for Firebadger etc are now just the new releases with the version number changed. |
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| 16:42.00 | Pfated | resiak: That's firebadger's thing. Still security. :) |
| 16:42.05 | Gnea | newcomer: yeah, basically "when they're ready" |
| 16:42.19 | resiak | newcomer: Small things, within a week or so. Large things like KDE, much longer. But now is a bad example. |
| 16:42.28 | resiak | Pfated: It's new features too! Argh! |
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| 16:42.57 | antgel | resiak: i can't believe they made that decision |
| 16:43.00 | Pfated | Heh. Sneak attack! |
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| 16:43.50 | cmdKeen | antgel: what's wrong with that ? |
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| 16:43.53 | resiak | antgel: They made it because it was less bad than leaving unfixed security holes. Unless _you_ want to diff entire Mozilla source trees and pick out the security fixes? |
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| 16:44.13 | resiak | antgel: (or indeed persuade the Mozilla people to be more sane) |
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| 16:44.25 | antgel | cmdKeen: resiak: more precisely, i can't believe they made _any_ decision, after all the "column inches" devoted to the matter |
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| 16:44.49 | antgel | to be honest, i think it should be kicked out. my heart says no, but my head says yes |
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| 16:44.51 | resiak | Heh, well, Debian does actually change occasionally. |
| 16:44.56 | pabs3 | Phated: other fixes get into stable too http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/09/msg00132.html |
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| 16:45.29 | Pfated | Bah, CBA. :) |
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| 16:45.45 | Gnea | newcomer: for instance, if someone's having deadlines shoved down their throat and other orafices, then it causes them stress - that stress leads to mistakes being made and when the result is accomplished, there are many bugs to be taken care of. with debian, packages are not set to any set deadline (unless they're grave, which means they get taken care of right away) so there is less pressure from another source, directly, and so bug |
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| 16:46.16 | newcomer | Gnea: thanx for that |
| 16:46.23 | Gnea | newcomer: you're welcome |
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| 16:46.27 | Gnea | :) |
| 16:46.36 | resiak | Gnea: It was truncated at "directly, and so bug" |
| 16:46.47 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.49 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:47.03 | newcomer | if sid is unstable, im using a distro which is running a lot on sid.......and its running fine! how? |
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| 16:47.15 | Gnea | i realize that's a broad statement, i don't like to make those very often :) |
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| 16:47.21 | resiak | newcomer: You got lucky. |
| 16:47.22 | antgel | newcomer: ask your distro's support :) |
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| 16:47.29 | Pfated | Unstable means everchanging. Not necessarily everfucked. :) But oftenfucked. |
| 16:47.29 | Gnea | newcomer: luck |
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| 16:47.34 | bush | im actually afraid to restart my sid desktop |
| 16:47.37 | bush | for fear that it won't boot |
| 16:47.42 | Gnea | Pfated: hehehe |
| 16:47.47 | jjazz | bush: ha! |
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| 16:47.58 | Pfated | Think of it as a reverse incentive for uptime. :) |
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| 16:48.03 | bush | indeed |
| 16:48.09 | bush | until the power at my house goes out again |
| 16:48.16 | bush | at which point im SOL |
| 16:48.24 | Gnea | apt-get install APC |
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| 16:49.47 | newcomer | hmmm...but ive never had problems.....its not that my distro is based on sid.....but ive installed lots of sid stuff i guess |
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| 16:50.04 | bush | before sarge became stable, i never really had problems with sid |
| 16:50.12 | bush | other than the occasional broken package |
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| 16:51.08 | newcomer | thats more like it:) |
| 16:51.08 | jjazz | newcomer: You obviously weren't here yesterday when some guy came in after spending 14 hours trying to get his ldap server back up. He updated and... it broke. It was very sad, as his boss was really unhappy with him. |
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| 16:51.42 | bush | thats what he gets for running sid on an ldap server... |
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| 16:51.51 | antgel | jjazz: he should have been using stable |
| 16:51.54 | bush | i'm not that stupid |
| 16:52.00 | Bac9 | jjazz: yeah woody->sarge ldap upgrade was apinfull |
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| 16:52.17 | jjazz | bush: Yes, I mentioned that to him. Apparently he didn't install the OS. It had Sid on it when he was hired. |
| 16:52.18 | newcomer | not for server stuff...but for desktop users i guess its pretty ok....or am i wrong? |
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| 16:52.32 | bush | then its not his fault |
| 16:52.48 | bush | at least he won't ever make that mistake ;) |
| 16:52.51 | By-Tor | newcomer: It can be. Don't expect it to not break on you thou. Issues will pop up. |
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| 16:53.18 | jjazz | newcomer: It's possible you'll have unpredictable problems that might or might not get resolved by subsequent updates in an unspecified period of time. |
| 16:53.25 | bush | issues like not being able to install ANYTHING because one of your base packages got broken in an upgrade |
| 16:53.37 | jjazz | newcomer: If the work you do is low priority enough that you can tolerate that risk, go for it. |
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| 16:53.57 | jjazz | newcomer: Otherwise, run testing or, better yet, stable. |
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| 16:54.46 | newcomer | thanx for all ur kind help & answers:) |
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| 16:55.04 | [bugi] | hello, how can i change time under gnome? |
| 16:55.07 | jjazz | newcomer: You're welcome. And doomed. But you're welcome. |
| 16:55.09 | bush | sid is like windows with a linux kernel right now ;) |
| 16:55.10 | cmdKeen | jjazz, newcomer, mmm, better yet stable ? I am running etch on desktop and i haven't ever had any broken-package problem... |
| 16:55.34 | Ronin | bush: heh interesting comparison |
| 16:55.43 | jjazz | [bugi]: Did you try right-clicking on the clock on the panel? |
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| 16:56.03 | newcomer | uhh one more thing....my time keeps going back in the past......how to fix this? |
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| 16:56.18 | [bugi] | jjazz, yes i did but there are not this optin like adjust time and date |
| 16:56.18 | bush | newcomer: apt-get install ntpdate |
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| 16:56.22 | By-Tor | bush: Other than the 2.6.12 kernel, its running pretty good for me right now. |
| 16:56.22 | jjazz | newcomer: What distro are you on? |
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| 16:57.05 | cmdKeen | By-Tor: what's wrong with 2.6.12 :-? |
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| 16:57.22 | Stabi | can i hide the mouse pointer with a parameter in the .xinitrc file? |
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| 16:57.35 | By-Tor | cmdKeen: Not much, except that its burning coasters with my burner. |
| 16:57.35 | jjazz | [bugi]: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
| 16:57.44 | newcomer | jjazz: i wont tell u....bcoz then u'll say go to that channel! |
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| 16:57.59 | jjazz | newcomer: Go to that channel. |
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| 16:58.00 | bush | newcomer: slackware |
| 16:58.02 | bush | ? |
| 16:58.17 | By-Tor | cmdKeen: no errors, no indicators that theres a problem, just burns away, fixates, however the cd can't be mounted or read under windows. |
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| 16:58.33 | [bugi] | jjazz, thank you, this is just what i needed :) |
| 16:58.44 | newcomer | slackware? hehe i dont use slackware |
| 16:58.55 | cmdKeen | By-Tor: oh, I have exactly same problem but I didn't think it's because of kernel... |
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| 16:58.56 | bush | thank god |
| 16:58.58 | jjazz | [bugi]: Perhaps next time, you could just google 'debian time', which is how I found that page. |
| 16:58.58 | Ronin | newcomer: tough to help when you dont run debian |
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| 16:59.14 | By-Tor | cmdKeen: If you can, drop back to the 2.6.6 kernel, and you'll be fine. |
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| 16:59.39 | By-Tor | cmdKeen: Well, the lastest cdrecord and 2.6.6 burns my isos just fine. |
| 16:59.48 | [bugi] | jjazz, ok |
| 16:59.54 | newcomer | oh i see |
| 16:59.55 | cmdKeen | By-Tor: oh, I have already upgraded udev and related packages.... grrrr |
| 17:00.00 | Soophiya | where is document root of apache defined in debian |
| 17:00.01 | Soophiya | ? |
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| 17:00.12 | Ronin | Soophiya: /var/www |
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| 17:00.14 | bush | /var/www/ |
| 17:00.24 | Soophiya | no no.. where it is defined? |
| 17:00.26 | bush | a |
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| 17:00.29 | jjazz | Soophiya: /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 17:00.32 | By-Tor | cmdKeen: oooh, that hurts. I never allow the kernel-images to be removed untill they are about four versions back. |
| 17:00.32 | Soophiya | i don't see its entry in apache2.conf |
| 17:00.33 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:00.39 | cmdKeen | Soophiya: /etc/apache/httpd.conf ? |
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| 17:00.45 | jjazz | Soophiya: (I think) |
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| 17:00.51 | By-Tor | cmdKeen: My kernel-images are always put in a hold state. |
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| 17:00.55 | Soophiya | httpd.conf is empty |
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| 17:01.05 | Ronin | Soophiya: do an updatedb |
| 17:01.08 | madclicker | where do i get akregator for etch? It seems to be in sid but notch etch. |
| 17:01.14 | Ronin | hech search for it too |
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| 17:01.19 | jjazz | Soophiya: Then I guess I'm wrong. ;) |
| 17:01.27 | bush | madclicker: should be in etch, i can get it in stable |
| 17:01.34 | By-Tor | cmdKeen: I just recently removed the 2.2 kernel that was installed with Woody ;) |
| 17:01.38 | Soophiya | hmm |
| 17:01.56 | xevox | . |
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| 17:01.59 | By-Tor | cmdKeen: that is, when woody was the unstable branch. |
| 17:02.15 | bush | back before moving pictures? |
| 17:02.18 | bush | and sliced bread |
| 17:02.20 | Pfated | Soophiya: It does nothing to it. It just lets you be able to find it. |
| 17:02.21 | cmdKeen | By-Tor: hehe, I have only my first successfuly compiled 2.8 kernel left:) |
| 17:02.22 | fbi | By-Tor: you mean back in Nam? |
| 17:02.32 | Soophiya | :) |
| 17:02.32 | madclicker | bush: it's not in etch. I just did a search |
| 17:02.35 | Ronin | nothing Soophiya but then locate httpd.conf etc. |
| 17:02.39 | bush | odd. |
| 17:02.44 | Soophiya | I See |
| 17:02.46 | jjazz | Soophiya: grep -r www /etc/apache/* |
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| 17:02.47 | abrotman | madclicker: i think kde is all messed up in etch currently .. |
| 17:02.51 | resiak | !why is akregator not in testing |
| 17:02.52 | dpkg | akregator is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=akregator |
| 17:02.54 | abrotman | !why is akregator |
| 17:02.54 | dpkg | abrotman: what are you talking about? |
| 17:02.54 | abrotman | bah |
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| 17:02.55 | By-Tor | fbi: Seems that way. Cygnus, my primary computer, had Debian installed once back in '01. |
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| 17:03.00 | jjazz | Soophiya: One of those lines should tell you |
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| 17:03.04 | By-Tor | fbi: From a floppy. |
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| 17:03.13 | fbi | By-Tor: that's leet. |
| 17:03.21 | resiak | madclicker: IOW, KDE is _fucked_ :) |
| 17:03.36 | abrotman | as always |
| 17:03.37 | By-Tor | fbi: I've also upgraded the hard drive twice. Tar is a hellova program ;) |
| 17:03.41 | madclicker | resiak: gnome aint better |
| 17:03.48 | fbi | indeed |
| 17:03.49 | abrotman | in etch? |
| 17:03.52 | resiak | madclicker: Did I say anything about Gnome in Etch? |
| 17:03.53 | ke6isf | !start a wm war |
| 17:03.53 | dpkg | enlightenment sucks! |
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| 17:03.56 | Soophiya | ok its present in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default: DocumentRoot /var/www/ |
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| 17:03.58 | Soophiya | strange! |
| 17:04.00 | resiak | abrotman: Bit buggered for my dad, at least. |
| 17:04.08 | abrotman | madclicker: admit it .. KDE is a big pile of donkey doodoo |
| 17:04.09 | eeyore- | morning |
| 17:04.10 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:04.13 | madclicker | resiak, than there is nothing left |
| 17:04.15 | fbi | evening |
| 17:04.20 | eeyore- | localtime() |
| 17:04.21 | abrotman | eeyore-: sorry .. didn't mean to bring your feces into the conversation |
| 17:04.39 | madclicker | abrotman, nahh, i used gnome before |
| 17:04.42 | abrotman | madclicker: *box/xfce/fvwm ... look around |
| 17:04.48 | abrotman | lazy clicker! |
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| 17:04.54 | madclicker | eheehh |
| 17:04.57 | bush | i used gnome once |
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| 17:05.10 | shingouz | bush: but you came to your senses |
| 17:05.12 | bush | then i realized id rather stick sewing needles through my manhood |
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| 17:05.14 | shingouz | ;) |
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| 17:05.22 | fbi | ehm. |
| 17:05.29 | fbi | thanks for the visual. |
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| 17:05.31 | madclicker | bush, :) |
| 17:05.34 | madclicker | ouch |
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| 17:05.47 | eeyore- | bush: ogrish.com! |
| 17:05.48 | abrotman | and instead of that pain .. he just used KDE .. same results .. less metal |
| 17:05.51 | jason^ | what's that stupid program to make big letters made out of ascii characters? |
| 17:05.51 | resiak | madclicker: XFce4 works like a charm. HTH HAND |
| 17:05.53 | ke6isf | bush: So what do you use now? |
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| 17:05.58 | By-Tor | fbi: Check this out: http://pastebin.com/375920 |
| 17:05.58 | bush | kde/windowmaker |
| 17:06.02 | fbi | jason^: figlet ? |
| 17:06.03 | abrotman | see |
| 17:06.04 | bush | depending on my mood |
| 17:06.06 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 17:06.06 | jason^ | fbi: ah thanks |
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| 17:06.24 | bush | i just remove everything in kde and just use small icons |
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| 17:06.31 | madclicker | resiak, am willing to give it a try, how hard can it be. It's not M$ after all :) |
| 17:06.32 | bush | looks more like osx than kde |
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| 17:06.51 | abrotman | crap? |
| 17:07.01 | fbi | kde isn't all that bad if you strip it down and play around with tranparency |
| 17:07.11 | abrotman | so .. it's not kde anymore :) |
| 17:07.14 | fbi | s/tranparency/transparency/ |
| 17:07.29 | ke6isf | Feh. All WMs suck. |
| 17:07.36 | bush | except for screen |
| 17:07.37 | fbi | i still prefer the openbox derivatives |
| 17:07.38 | By-Tor | Blasphemy! |
| 17:07.41 | resiak | We're not discussing WMs. |
| 17:07.45 | resiak | </pedant> |
| 17:07.46 | By-Tor | Window Maker! |
| 17:07.48 | cmdKeen | ke6isf: hehe, terminal-maniac ? |
| 17:07.49 | Flendor | When I check KDE version in aptitude, I see 5.44 - shouldn't it be 3.3.2 or whatever? |
| 17:07.56 | abrotman | !info kde sid |
| 17:07.58 | ke6isf | cmdKeen: Nah, I use Gnome. =^_^= |
| 17:07.59 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:45 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 17:08.03 | jjazz | abrotman: I'm headed to lunch, but before I go, I just want to note that the Yanks are carrying a lot of momentum down the stretch. :P |
| 17:08.11 | abrotman | Flendor: it's a metapackage |
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| 17:08.27 | abrotman | jjazz: yeah .. so are the redsox .. but the wrong kind :) |
| 17:08.31 | cmdKeen | Enlightenment, *box, Gnome, WM... all have something good about them. |
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| 17:08.39 | Flendor | Oh, I see - Containing many packages. I will check version of kdebase. |
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| 17:08.44 | abrotman | jjazz_lunching: but i bought my phillies playoff tix :) |
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| 17:08.50 | Jurples | how do i set "ifconfig wlan0 mtu 1492" on boot without having to type it every time? i tried adding it to /etc/network/interfaces but not sure i did it right |
| 17:08.51 | ke6isf | I figure I can learn a new WM after I wash my dog. For now, I'm familiar (enough) with Gnome. |
| 17:08.56 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 17:08.56 | dpkg | from memory, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 17:09.03 | By-Tor | I'm with cmdKeen actually. My whole family uses Window Maker thou. That and ROX-Filer. |
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| 17:09.13 | abrotman | By-Tor: tried xfe ? |
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| 17:09.28 | By-Tor | abrotman: I build linux.tucows.com, I tried them all. |
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| 17:09.41 | abrotman | By-Tor: that used to be such a nice site |
| 17:09.46 | abrotman | well .. just tucows |
| 17:09.50 | By-Tor | Used to be, untill I left. |
| 17:10.01 | abrotman | the win32 portion of it |
| 17:10.08 | cmdKeen | By-Tor: I would probably used it too(I am in Fluxbox) but my LCD hasn't got enough resolution. default icons(64x64) on 1024/786... bah. |
| 17:10.14 | newcomer | i had a very very very very important & long question! |
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| 17:10.31 | ke6isf | newcomer: ...so where'd it go, if you had it? |
| 17:10.34 | By-Tor | abrotman: I worked there from 98 to 01. Back when it was linuxburg. |
| 17:10.46 | newcomer | ke6isf: lol....here it goes |
| 17:10.55 | cheal | madclicker, try getting stable's |
| 17:11.10 | abrotman | By-Tor: i mean before that .. like 96-ish :) |
| 17:11.22 | pabl0 | hiya |
| 17:11.33 | madclicker | cheal: would hate to see kdepim get fscked over |
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| 17:11.38 | By-Tor | abrotman: Oh yeah. They owned in 96. |
| 17:11.41 | abrotman | newcomer: take a deep breath .. spit it out :) |
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| 17:11.47 | Stabi | hmm know anyone a methode to hide the mouse for an app. I started a slideshow (feh) but the mouse pointer is in the middle of the screen |
| 17:11.52 | abrotman | By-Tor: then they chnaged the search engine or something .. |
| 17:11.55 | Gnea | newcomer: just come out and ask it :) |
| 17:11.58 | newcomer | i installed lots of stuff with synaptic....now i'll be doing reinstall and losing my internet connection......ive heard there is a way to get back all those stuff i had installed...how plz explain? |
| 17:12.06 | By-Tor | abrotman: Thats why I quit. They kept ruining the good Linuxberg and the win32 sites. |
| 17:12.07 | abrotman | that's a long question ? |
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| 17:12.15 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 17:12.16 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 17:12.24 | Gnea | newcomer: you'll just have to reinstall it all, use synaptic again |
| 17:12.29 | ke6isf | newcomer: Why are you doing a reinstall? |
| 17:12.37 | madclicker | cheal, it looks like the agregator should be bundeled in etch with 4:3.4.2-2 |
| 17:12.45 | newcomer | but no internet connection i will have then....then how? |
| 17:12.51 | madclicker | 4:3.3.2-3 this one is current |
| 17:12.51 | pabl0 | mm my video card blew yesterday (an ATI card, iirc). I'm planning in buying a new video card, so I'd like to hear for suggestions and want to have a linux-compatible video card.. any ideas? |
| 17:13.04 | Gnea | newcomer: it will be a remote computer? |
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| 17:13.17 | By-Tor | pabl0: I use a Radeon 7000. I like it. |
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| 17:13.23 | newcomer | ke6isf: sorry not reinstall....fresh install |
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| 17:13.28 | pabl0 | thanks :) |
| 17:13.34 | cheal | madclicker, what? "bundeled in etch with 4:3.4.2-2"? |
| 17:13.38 | By-Tor | pabl0: I think they are up to 9000 now thou. |
| 17:13.41 | newcomer | no no single computer home pc |
| 17:13.41 | ke6isf | newcomer: And this machine will not be networked? |
| 17:13.42 | madclicker | abrotman, when is 2.6.13 due for sid? |
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| 17:13.49 | newcomer | not at all |
| 17:13.52 | cheal | madclicker, stable's akregator is not related to kdepim |
| 17:13.54 | Gnea | newcomer: home pc has no internet? |
| 17:13.56 | madclicker | cheal, agregator |
| 17:13.56 | pabl0 | By-Tor, yeah I was running a mobility 9000 |
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| 17:13.59 | newcomer | dad will be cutting off net connection |
| 17:14.06 | abrotman | madclicker: google "debian kernel 2.6.13 problem" .. should be the first hit or two |
| 17:14.07 | cheal | madclicker, ?? |
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| 17:14.16 | ke6isf | newcomer: Dialup or broadband? |
| 17:14.17 | Gnea | newcomer: when? |
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| 17:14.20 | yalu | I finished installing nvidia drivers on a machine. what is the cleanest way to make them load on startup? I am not sure if putting 'nvidia' in /etc/modules will load the module (I had stuff complain about driver licenses in the past) |
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| 17:14.26 | madclicker | cheal, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=akregator |
| 17:14.28 | abrotman | madclicker: er .. no .. let me try again |
| 17:14.30 | newcomer | 26kps..they call it broadband! |
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| 17:14.37 | yalu | this is for my girlfriend and I want to save her from typing too many commands ;) |
| 17:14.38 | cheal | yalu, /etc/modules |
| 17:14.45 | By-Tor | pabl0: Truth be told I usually run whatever. Its usually onboard. But at home I installed a 7000 for the "composite" out port so I can watch divx and stuff recorded with streamer. |
| 17:14.48 | yalu | cheal: sure about it? |
| 17:14.53 | newcomer | within this month i think |
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| 17:14.58 | win | hi |
| 17:14.58 | fbi | pabl0: it would behoove you to check the xfree86/xorg websites for video card compatibility before you buy something that there is no driver for (yet) |
| 17:14.59 | abrotman | madclicker: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/09/msg00217.html |
| 17:15.09 | DeepB | hi, may i ask for a nice non-linear video edit/transcoding program? i need it to import AVI/Theora/OGM/QT containers and use either Gstreamer Xine or ffdmpeg/libavcodec for encoding/decoding. I need very basic features like resizing/cropping and normalize. Any pointers? thanks in advance |
| 17:15.11 | cheal | madclicker, what do you mean by "the agregator should be bundeled in etch with 4:3.4.2-2"? |
| 17:15.22 | Gnea | newcomer: then the sooner you install it, the more likely you'll be able to do it with a net connection and get it all setup |
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| 17:15.25 | ke6isf | newcomer: Get going. Now. |
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| 17:16.02 | abrotman | ravenbird: wb |
| 17:16.03 | ravenbird | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 17:16.03 | pabl0 | fbi, right, thanks! |
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| 17:16.08 | ke6isf | newcomer: You'll have to generate a list of packages like the above clone method mentions. Get through base install, work on other computer, and just 'apt-get install < list'. |
| 17:16.16 | newcomer | no guys....there wont be internet...i cant rely on fate.......i have many important bioinformatics stuff i need for my course |
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| 17:16.38 | Gnea | newcomer: sometimes you won't have a choice. |
| 17:16.48 | madclicker | cheal, did you read the link? |
| 17:16.55 | Gnea | newcomer: do you have a cdwriter? |
| 17:17.01 | cheal | yalu, unless you have another proposition |
| 17:17.11 | ke6isf | newcomer: This is why I said hurry - this is with the assumption that your net connection will not be deactivated in the next few minutes. |
| 17:17.12 | Gnea | cmdKeen: rofl |
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| 17:17.23 | yalu | cheal: more ugly stuff like messing with init scripts etc |
| 17:17.26 | abrotman | cheal: i did that once with my PS2 .. thought i broke the damn thing |
| 17:17.29 | newcomer | but someone told me to copy etc/apt/archives folder on a cd, then put it back on fresh install, then use synaptic again without internet it will install everything!! |
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| 17:17.41 | ke6isf | newcomer: The alternative is to buy CDs. See http://www.debian.org for details. |
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| 17:17.50 | madclicker | abrotman, thanks |
| 17:17.50 | Anthro | cmdKeen: Britney *and* Hilary Duff? Horrors! |
| 17:17.59 | asg | newcomer: or build a quick live-cd of your currently running system with 'bootcd' |
| 17:18.04 | ke6isf | newcomer: That's the wrong directory. |
| 17:18.04 | Gnea | newcomer: it will only install those packages if the base system itself is up to date to it |
| 17:18.08 | N1tr0 | . |
| 17:18.09 | cmdKeen | Gnea: If you heard it you wouldn't rofled too much :) |
| 17:18.09 | cheal | abrotman, using /etc/modules ? |
| 17:18.11 | allyn | Is there an IRC for debian kernel developers? |
| 17:18.14 | abrotman | cheal: say what? |
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| 17:18.21 | Gnea | cmdKeen: oh i've heard it ;) |
| 17:18.24 | abrotman | cheal: no .. my PS2 .. you know .. Playstation2 |
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| 17:18.33 | asg | allyn: #debian-devel (if you can get in) or #debian-tech on oftc.net |
| 17:18.47 | asg | allyn: there is also the mailing list |
| 17:18.47 | abrotman | cheal: that was for cmdKeen .. ignore me |
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| 17:18.59 | cheal | abrotman, ah, few :) |
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| 17:19.04 | newcomer | i mean /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 17:19.14 | asg | abrotman: OS/2 on your PS/2? |
| 17:19.20 | cmdKeen | Gnea: lol, I thought only I can do SUCH stupid things:) |
| 17:19.21 | allyn | Thank you; I am already on the debian-kernel email list. I'll try debian devel and debian-tech. Thanks. |
| 17:19.28 | abrotman | asg: no .. my damn playstation! |
| 17:19.35 | ke6isf | newcomer: You can 'dpkg -i' that, but it assumes you haven't done 'apt-get clean'. |
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| 17:19.44 | By-Tor | asg: That would rule! |
| 17:19.47 | Gnea | cmdKeen: you thought wrong :) |
| 17:19.50 | ke6isf | newcomer: It's also not for the faint of heart, as I understand it. |
| 17:19.53 | asg | By-Tor: it would be interesting, that's for sure. |
| 17:19.58 | cmdKeen | !pal me |
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| 17:20.02 | abrotman | cmdKeen: done it with my PS2 |
| 17:20.16 | Carlosmaug | doen anybody know how to use ACL's over NFS? |
| 17:20.32 | ke6isf | !beer By-Tor |
| 17:20.47 | cmdKeen | abrotman: world is full of surprise and stupid people in it:) |
| 17:20.59 | abrotman | cmdKeen: hey .. it had been quite osme time since i had used the damn thing |
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| 17:21.29 | By-Tor | I liked OS/2, hated IBMs support for it, but OS/2 had promise. |
| 17:21.42 | newcomer | if i copy /var/cache/apt/archives to a cd.....then do a fresh install...put the archives folder back in place....do apt-get <name of packages in folder>.....will it all get installed without internet? plz answer |
| 17:21.48 | cmdKeen | abrotman: no, I didn;t meant it THAT way;) sry, my english sometimes meets its top;) |
| 17:21.58 | abrotman | no kidding |
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| 17:21.58 | pixelmonkey | does anyone here know an application I can use to statically index text files for quick searching? I'm looking for something that will let me do similar things to grep -R 'bla' *, but will return results much quicker since it is statically indexed. |
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| 17:22.16 | ke6isf | By-Tor: As I understand it, there are now people clamoring for IBM to open its source. I don't really see why, as Linux distros fo all flavors have surpassed it by leaps and bounds since Warp 4 came out. |
| 17:22.19 | pabs3 | pixelmonkey: beagle or kat (for kde) |
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| 17:22.37 | pabs3 | pixelmonkey: those are gui however |
| 17:22.46 | pixelmonkey | yea, I was looking for something more lightweight |
| 17:22.50 | pixelmonkey | although Beagle is wonderful :) |
| 17:22.51 | Gnea | cmdKeen: hey, if people weren't stupid it wouldn't be worth it ;) |
| 17:22.54 | By-Tor | ke6isf: Yes, pointless now. It was a pretty decent os for us Winhaterz. |
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| 17:23.09 | cmdKeen | Gnea: exactly, that's how I see it:) |
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| 17:23.30 | priest | Is there any backport for beagle+mono to Sarge? |
| 17:23.30 | madclicker | abrotman, any clue as to why are they dropping devfs? |
| 17:23.39 | cmdKeen | Gnea: and I wouldn't be here if people weren't stupid;) |
| 17:23.47 | ke6isf | By-Tor: I ran it because the Windows variants of BBS software int he 1990s tended to bomb Windows. I could start a xmodem transfer off of one machine and BSOD the sysop's box. |
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| 17:23.50 | pigor | is it undangerous to delete swap-partition (for short)? |
| 17:23.58 | Gnea | cmdKeen: lol true |
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| 17:24.00 | abrotman | madclicker: because it's "worse" than udev .. dunno .. ask #kernel |
| 17:24.03 | pabs3 | priest: backports.org isn't ready for sarge yet :( |
| 17:24.12 | cheal | madclicker, I don't see what the link explains. are you trying to get akregator now, or know when in transitions to etch? |
| 17:24.16 | Gnea | pigor: only if it's currently in use |
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| 17:24.25 | pixelmonkey | pabs3: sigh, I guess I could download lucene ;-) |
| 17:24.26 | ke6isf | By-Tor: (they didn't offer zmodem for some reason, and ymodem* Just Didn't Work. |
| 17:24.33 | newcomer | plz answer me....have mercy on the newbie & the helpless! |
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| 17:24.54 | By-Tor | ke6isf: Ah yes. BBSes. I failed many o exams to Tradewars ;) |
| 17:24.55 | pabs3 | pixelmonkey: that is in sarge I think |
| 17:24.59 | abrotman | newcomer: sohuld work .. but why not just download the 14 CDs fro sarge :) |
| 17:25.00 | ke6isf | newcomer: We have. Buy CDs later, or get started on a netinst right now. |
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| 17:25.20 | pixelmonkey | pabs3: I think maybe I could pull off what I'm looking for with ctags |
| 17:25.25 | ke6isf | newcomer: Or what abrotman said, download the 14 CD images for Sarge right now. |
| 17:25.26 | asg | By-Tor: we ran a 2-node WWIV board on OS/2 for a bit |
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| 17:25.44 | pabs3 | pixelmonkey: cool |
| 17:25.45 | By-Tor | asg: Nice. |
| 17:25.52 | pigor | Gnea: how can i be sure, that swap is not in use? |
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| 17:26.10 | By-Tor | asg: I sortof miss the old BBSes. Connecting with my Tandy COCO 3. |
| 17:26.12 | pabs3 | ahh, fatalerror's xchat patches are niice |
| 17:26.16 | By-Tor | asg: Good times. |
| 17:26.21 | newcomer | phew.......guys i stay in india....slow & expensive connection..plus i cant buy anything from international sites...im a student....and dad wont agree....and he'll kill me if i download 14 cds! |
| 17:26.24 | asg | By-Tor: indeed, great times. |
| 17:26.32 | By-Tor | asg: Back when 1200 baud meant somthing. |
| 17:26.36 | asg | By-Tor: yep |
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| 17:26.56 | By-Tor | asg: When email took 2 days to make it four states. |
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| 17:27.08 | madclicker | cheal, i have not a clue, it just says there that akgregator is a part of kdepim, as to why it works in sid and not in etch.... i have no clue. I never heard about akgregator before i discovered the wonderful feature on sid |
| 17:27.08 | ke6isf | By-Tor: I think we all do. There was a certain flavor lost. Many of them still exist, but when you telnet to one and you realize that you're screaming across (and Fight-O-Net is much more sparse than it was), there's just a certain something missing. |
| 17:27.15 | Gnea | pigor: check /etc/fstab |
| 17:27.15 | asg | newcomer: we can't magically send you bandwidth. You've been given a number of solutions. You'll have to pick one and deal. |
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| 17:27.25 | asg | By-Tor: hehe, like UUCP for that matter. |
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| 17:27.42 | ke6isf | asg: Woo, UUCP! =^_^= |
| 17:28.00 | ke6isf | UUBP? |
| 17:28.02 | asg | !uubp |
| 17:28.03 | dpkg | from memory, uubp is Unix-to-Unix beer protocol |
| 17:28.09 | Gnea | ahaha |
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| 17:28.14 | newcomer | so will my method work? any other way? |
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| 17:28.32 | beardy | newcomer: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/index.en.html#in |
| 17:28.33 | Flendor | Oooh, I need to apt-get that. |
| 17:28.35 | newcomer | other than download from internet or buy |
| 17:28.46 | ke6isf | newcomer: Given circumstances, nope. |
| 17:28.52 | Gnea | newcomer: sheesh, you call that a democracy? |
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| 17:29.06 | ke6isf | asg: Now they just need UUMDP. |
| 17:29.23 | By-Tor | Here's a quick offtopic poll. What was everyones first computer? |
| 17:29.30 | beardy | !poll |
| 17:29.30 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 17:29.31 | ke6isf | TI 99/4A. |
| 17:29.34 | beardy | !bad polls |
| 17:29.34 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
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| 17:29.39 | Gnea | By-Tor: TI994/A |
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| 17:29.46 | Gnea | ke6isf: :) |
| 17:29.52 | ke6isf | Gnea: Dude! |
| 17:30.01 | Gnea | munchman! |
| 17:30.09 | By-Tor | By-Tor: Tandy CoCo 2, upgraded to CoCo 3 the following christmas. |
| 17:30.17 | ke6isf | Parsec rocked. =^_^= |
| 17:30.22 | Gnea | dude. |
| 17:30.27 | cheal | madclicker, agregator is only part of kdepim in unstable. |
| 17:30.31 | Gnea | ke6isf: i've got it again. |
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| 17:30.36 | elbixio | hi everyone. i just installed debian testing (etch) and the Applications menu i can't find the old Debian SubMenu. should i install another package in order to get it? thanks |
| 17:30.47 | pixelmonkey | One more question, I saw a tool mentioned somewhere awhile back that could take big chunks of C code and "visualize" it through flow charts, graphs and such. Anyone know what it's called? I saw it being used on the Linux kernel source. |
| 17:30.52 | Gnea | ke6isf: but the joystick's messed up, gotta find working ones again |
| 17:30.55 | By-Tor | elbixio: Try "update-menus" |
| 17:30.59 | Source4 | in starting x I'm getting an error "Internal error - sisfb memory layout corrupt" |
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| 17:31.10 | Gnea | ke6isf: i've got a spare unit, and i might even have a spare parsec cart - still got yours? |
| 17:31.12 | pabs3 | newcomer: ubuntu ships cds for free to anywhere, perhaps you could use that? |
| 17:31.13 | ke6isf | Gnea: Makes me wonder if there's either a TI emulator for Linux, or the source for Parsec. |
| 17:31.16 | Source4 | google only returns one result, which is a log dump. |
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| 17:31.31 | ke6isf | Gnea: I think all that stuff's in my dad's closet. =^^= |
| 17:31.32 | elbixio | By-Tor: trying :) |
| 17:31.36 | Gnea | ke6isf: actually there *IS* a TI emu for linux, but i haven't gotten it to work right |
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| 17:31.50 | zinx | pixelmonkey: cflow, amazingly enough |
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| 17:31.58 | Gnea | ke6isf: xmess i think it's part of |
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| 17:32.05 | elbixio | By-Tor: should i log off to see it? |
| 17:32.07 | pixelmonkey | zinx, hah, thanks. |
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| 17:32.17 | By-Tor | elbixio: What wm are you running? |
| 17:32.18 | zinx | pixelmonkey: there may be others, though |
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| 17:32.32 | elbixio | By-Tor: gnome with metacity i think |
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| 17:32.57 | By-Tor | elbixio: Ick. I don't know. WindowMaker always just detects the menu changing and reloads it. |
| 17:33.10 | By-Tor | elbixio: You could try exiting and logging back in. |
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| 17:33.29 | elbixio | By-Tor: will do right now, thanks |
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| 17:33.55 | vorbisgain | I have some ogg files with vorbisgain tags, but my player can't undersstand them, how can I apply gain to the data? any help? |
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| 17:35.18 | resiak | vorbisgain: Get a player that understands vorbisgain tags then! |
| 17:35.21 | Iconsumed | what application do I use to resize a partition? |
| 17:35.38 | vorbisgain | resiak: it is my iRiver H340 player that can't do, in linux no prob! |
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| 17:35.47 | asg | Iconsumed: parted |
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| 17:35.59 | Iconsumed | asg, CLI? |
| 17:36.04 | cmdKeen | Is there someone who can burn cd's in 2.6.12 kernel and read them in Winblows ? |
| 17:36.17 | asg | Iconsumed: yes but there is kparted and gparted iirc. |
| 17:36.31 | Iconsumed | asg, ok, thx |
| 17:36.33 | elbixio | By-Tor: didn't work :( |
| 17:36.34 | resiak | vorbisgain: Right. So what you need is a program to (go through all your oggs and adjust the volumes accordingly and then kill the vorbisgain tags), right? |
| 17:36.46 | caphuso | qtparted, not kparted |
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| 17:36.55 | asg | ah, that's it. He left anyway. |
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| 17:37.13 | ke6isf | asg: He'll be back. |
| 17:37.16 | vorbisgain | resiak: yes! that is, I know of normalize-ogg, but doesn't seem to work how I expected and there is no help file |
| 17:37.18 | By-Tor | Can you run parted on the partition your currently occupying? |
| 17:37.32 | scx | scx sais "hello" trought the 100th window |
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| 17:38.15 | pixelmonkey | zinx, do you by chance know what program is good for reading cflow's chart data? |
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| 17:38.25 | resiak | vorbisgain: So you'll probably want to google around a bit then :) Either that or get iRiver to implement vorbisgain support. Or you _could_ listen to your music at the intended relative volumes, but that isn't the solution that you want, is it? |
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| 17:38.46 | Flendor | Could you tell me a few files/scripts that run everytime I boot my PC? I need to put some commands to dump some keycodes.. |
| 17:38.48 | win | i have a user who vnc into his own machine via other machine; i have upgraded him a new PC and move him to linux gentoo from netbsd, kde3.4 from kde3.1, now mozilla and firefox are crashing in the vnc session, what might be the source of problem? |
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| 17:39.17 | vorbisgain | resiak: there is the normalize program, with a gain parameter, but works strangely |
| 17:39.23 | ke6isf | win: Have you thought about asking in #gentoo instead? |
| 17:39.28 | cmdKeen | Flendor: befor or after X starts ? |
| 17:39.33 | Flendor | Like, initrd-something that I can add two lines: setkeycodes e001 (and eo59) 254 |
| 17:39.38 | win | ke6isf: i did |
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| 17:39.50 | ke6isf | win: So why are you asking here? |
| 17:39.51 | win | but not much help |
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| 17:39.55 | Flendor | cmdKeen - Before, please - Those keys cause KDE to switch desktops |
| 17:39.59 | resiak | !they don't know |
| 17:39.59 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 17:40.22 | win | lol |
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| 17:40.28 | By-Tor | win: Switch to Debian and we'll help you ;) |
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| 17:40.31 | Flendor | It's a m$ wireless desktop set |
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| 17:40.43 | win | well my preference system is debian |
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| 17:40.52 | hackeron | hey, trying to get ldap account manager working, but I get your php has no ldap support even though php4-ldap is installed. Any ideas? |
| 17:41.00 | win | but at work they have gentoo, can't help about it |
| 17:41.13 | ke6isf | win: So install Debian on the user's box and we'll be more than happy to help. |
| 17:41.17 | win | i have gentoo set up for myself tho |
| 17:41.19 | asg | hackeron: verify that extension=ldap.so exists in /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
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| 17:41.25 | By-Tor | win: Tell them Gentoo sucks. |
| 17:41.30 | ke6isf | win: This is #debian, not #gentoo. If you're using Debian, you should know better. |
| 17:41.35 | asg | hackeron: if it does, fully restart apache (and also clear your browser cache.) |
| 17:41.37 | win | ke6isf: i wish i could :D |
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| 17:42.09 | Morydd | bah... I'd love to have gentoo at work |
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| 17:42.14 | win | shouldn't put gentoo in the question in the first place , heh :D |
| 17:42.40 | ke6isf | win: We would have figured it out that it wasn't Debian when it didn't behave as expected, though. |
| 17:42.53 | Flendor | cmdKeen - Don't worry.. BTW I loved Commander Keen.. |
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| 17:43.02 | Flendor | So, any start-up scripts come to your mind? |
| 17:43.06 | asg | ke6isf: or even worse, we would have spent 30 minutes fucking around only to find it was Debian in the first place. |
| 17:43.10 | hackeron | asg: no it didnt, I added it and it sprang to life, thanks |
| 17:43.14 | asg | s/was/wasn't/ |
| 17:43.18 | asg | hackeron: you're welcome |
| 17:43.26 | ke6isf | asg: Indeed. |
| 17:43.30 | Morydd | but we have XP |
| 17:43.32 | Morydd | mostly |
| 17:43.38 | asg | sucks to be you |
| 17:43.38 | cmdKeen | Flendor: Oh, finally someone who know what 'great game |
| 17:43.50 | cmdKeen | Flendor: ' is :) |
| 17:43.55 | win | anyway, could u please advice? |
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| 17:44.08 | cmdKeen | Flendor: what episode ? |
| 17:44.12 | ke6isf | win: I told you, it's not Debian. No. |
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| 17:44.23 | win | hmmm...:) |
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| 17:44.37 | ke6isf | win: Somebody else summoned 'they won't help; from the bot. |
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| 17:44.48 | win | how about ubuntu? :) |
| 17:44.50 | ke6isf | Or they don't know rather. |
| 17:44.53 | asg | win: recompile your code with more conservative settings, check gentoo's bug tracker. |
| 17:44.57 | ke6isf | win: That's #ubuntu. |
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| 17:45.24 | win | asg: it is working for other user |
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| 17:45.43 | asg | win: then use 'strace' to find out why it is dying for that user. |
| 17:45.50 | win | ke6isf: ubuntu is debian derivative |
| 17:45.56 | ke6isf | !debian based |
| 17:45.57 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
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| 17:46.28 | win | asg: thx, i'll try that u r the true open source user! :D |
| 17:46.43 | abrotman | asg: u r the bestest! |
| 17:46.49 | ke6isf | !u |
| 17:46.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:47.02 | Stabi | between my problem and hide the the mouse pointer. Uncutter works great |
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| 17:47.03 | ke6isf | !always sunday |
| 17:47.03 | dpkg | It's always Sunday here in #debian. |
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| 17:47.13 | win | dpkg is a bot right? |
| 17:47.20 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 17:47.20 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 17:47.26 | win | dang he is smart! |
| 17:47.37 | rss | win, not is the packaging system of debian. ;) |
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| 17:48.09 | win | i like debian packaging system! |
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| 17:48.27 | ke6isf | win: So remove Gentoo at work and install Debian. |
| 17:48.30 | tarzeau | win: that's nice |
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| 17:48.47 | rss | win: follow what ke6isf said! |
| 17:48.49 | win | well i m just an assistant, so can't do that |
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| 17:49.05 | rss | win, rebel! |
| 17:49.06 | win | i wish i could tho |
| 17:49.09 | win | lol |
| 17:49.12 | rss | !lol |
| 17:49.12 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:49.16 | ke6isf | win: What kind of company do you work for anyway, that puts Gentoo on the desktop?! |
| 17:49.17 | win | then sacked! |
| 17:49.25 | win | afrais ! :D |
| 17:49.32 | win | s/s /d |
| 17:49.39 | rss | ke6isf, where else would they put it? |
| 17:49.51 | rss | ke6isf, it is too risky to be on a server. |
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| 17:49.54 | ke6isf | rss: In a drawer, best left alone? =^^= |
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| 17:49.59 | win | lol |
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| 17:50.11 | rss | !lol |
| 17:50.11 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 17:50.14 | win | ok, need to go, i'll come back later |
| 17:50.14 | rss | :( |
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| 17:50.41 | rss | win, thanks for the warning. |
| 17:50.50 | Morydd | in starting x I'm getting an error "Internal error - sisfb memory layout corrupt" |
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| 17:51.16 | Zapelius | Where do I tweak X server to allow me starting X remotely? The machine I need to test has a tiny screen (7"), horrible keyboard and is 10m away... :) |
| 17:51.20 | ke6isf | Man, it's supposed to be Tuesday, not Sunday. |
| 17:51.31 | ansong | i just got a usb->ethernet nic, which appears to be supported & all, but i don't know how to add the interface to let me start using it. any pointers? |
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| 17:52.18 | rss | ansong, mine worked out of box |
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| 17:52.40 | rss | ansong, I just plugged it in and it was detected. |
| 17:52.48 | beardy | Zapelius: Start it on the tiny screen machine, locally? |
| 17:52.49 | rss | ansong, do lsusb |
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| 17:53.08 | rss | ansong, lsusb |
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| 17:53.28 | beardy | Zapelius: ssh in, /etc/init.d/?dm start |
| 17:53.44 | pabs3 | Zapelius: ask dpkg about remote x |
| 17:53.49 | rss | ansong, what does lsusb say? |
| 17:54.02 | ansong | rss, it shows up on Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0bda:8150 Realtek, yadda, etc |
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| 17:54.06 | Zapelius | beardy, I could, but it has a horrible rubber keyboard that is for typoing... |
| 17:54.14 | Flendor | Could you point me to a script that goes off at startup, before X starts? I have to add some "setkeycodes".. |
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| 17:54.41 | Zapelius | beardy, and It doesnt have ?dm, just X and the X libs. nothing more. I need to run an app that I wrote and need to test |
| 17:54.45 | asg | Flendor: ~/.xsession |
| 17:54.58 | stew | Flendor: or /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 17:55.01 | Zapelius | msg dpkg remote x |
| 17:55.01 | beardy | Zapelius: Do what pabs3 told you. |
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| 17:55.05 | xdr | anyone feeling to help me? |
| 17:55.09 | Zapelius | msg dpkg remote x? |
| 17:55.25 | xdr | my vserver can't connect to the internet though it can connect to the other compus in the network |
| 17:55.27 | beardy | Zapelius: Yes, with a / in front of msg.. :) /msg |
| 17:55.35 | Flendor | Thank you! |
| 17:55.37 | asg | abrotman: haha |
| 17:55.43 | abrotman | what? |
| 17:55.43 | Zapelius | :) |
| 17:55.45 | rss | ansong, do modprobe usb-uhci |
| 17:55.51 | abrotman | oh |
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| 17:56.10 | rss | ansong, what did you get? |
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| 17:56.26 | ansong | rss, FATAL: Module usb_uhci not found |
| 17:56.26 | Zapelius | beardy, I'm workint too long already ;) |
| 17:56.39 | rss | ansong, modprobe usbcore |
| 17:56.52 | rss | ansong, which kernel? |
| 17:57.17 | rss | ansong, do uname -r |
| 17:57.40 | rss | ansong, are you on sarge? |
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| 17:57.57 | rss | ansong, what did modprobing usbcore get you? |
| 17:58.20 | ansong | rss, usbcore not found either. kernel 2.6.12 (custom), testing with a few apps pinned. |
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| 17:58.26 | Zapelius | pabs3, xhost is cool, but I don't have it (/usr/X11R6/bin/xhost) :( |
| 17:58.49 | cmdKeen | asg: but ~/.xsession don't execute when you use gdm, do it ? |
| 17:58.50 | Zapelius | the thing runs on 512M Flash, with nothing but needed installed |
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| 17:59.01 | pabs3 | fun :/ |
| 17:59.03 | Zapelius | there is an another way? |
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| 17:59.13 | rss | ansong, connect the adapter and boot the machine... it should be detected and modprobed |
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| 18:00.53 | asg | cmdKeen: probably not, startx, xdm, and xinit use it. stew had the other answer though. |
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| 18:01.34 | ansong | rss, usb flash drive works fine (i believe i compiled usb support into the kernel. just checked, i did). lsmod lists: rtl8150, 11200, 0 |
| 18:01.39 | cmdKeen | stew: /etc/X11/Xsession.d execute even when using gdm ? |
| 18:01.59 | abrotman | what does usbstorage have to do with rtl8150 ? |
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| 18:03.16 | topa_ | how does one install azureus, it complains about java-sdk missing ? |
| 18:03.20 | ansong | rss, rebooting... |
| 18:03.38 | cmdKeen | !tell topa_ about azureus |
| 18:03.42 | stew | cmdKeen: yes, man Xsession |
| 18:03.51 | cmdKeen | bah |
| 18:04.00 | topa_ | cmdKeen I already checked with dpkg :) |
| 18:04.13 | asg | !tell Soophiya about away |
| 18:04.19 | cmdKeen | topa_: I know dpkg know the way... |
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| 18:04.34 | danieldg | !install java |
| 18:04.34 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
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| 18:04.46 | cmdKeen | that's it;) |
| 18:04.49 | rossi | hi |
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| 18:05.24 | rossi | anyone can help me I wanna install wlan driver I think they are combo driver realtek 8180 |
| 18:05.34 | rossi | is there a module or something? |
| 18:05.51 | oding | Hi, I'm new to linux and debian, I download Nvidia drivers, how can i install them with my console? Thx |
| 18:06.06 | wang | oding : is it a .deb package? |
| 18:06.07 | oding | *downloaded |
| 18:06.11 | oding | .run package |
| 18:06.16 | oding | wang |
| 18:06.19 | wang | ./sh filename |
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| 18:07.25 | By-Tor | rossi: Well, the 8180 driver for realtek is the 8139too driver |
| 18:07.35 | resiak | !tell oding -about nvidia howto |
| 18:07.39 | cmdKeen | stew: hmmm, but gdm don't execute ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc.. how can user set startup programs (I am doing it through fluxbox start script but...) |
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| 18:07.44 | By-Tor | rossi: As root, try: modprobe 8139too |
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| 18:08.01 | resiak | cmdKeen: GDM can be made to, but i forget how |
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| 18:08.34 | stew | cmdKeen: i think it should be ~/.Xsession not ~/.xsession |
| 18:08.39 | resiak | stew: Lies! :) |
| 18:08.46 | caphuso | both works |
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| 18:08.53 | By-Tor | cmdKeen: I know how to do it in wdm |
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| 18:09.05 | stew | ok, i got that from the Xsession(5) manpage |
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| 18:09.09 | Morydd | in starting x I'm getting an error "Internal error - sisfb memory layout corrupt" |
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| 18:09.11 | caphuso | USERXSESSION=$HOME/.xsession |
| 18:09.11 | caphuso | ALTUSERXSESSION=$HOME/.Xsession |
| 18:09.15 | Loof | Heya, is there an effective way to route/load balance between two totally seperate non-cooperating networks. Specifically, having cable AND DSL access at the same time. |
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| 18:09.36 | cmdKeen | By-Tor: I wan to use gdm... |
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| 18:09.41 | asg | Loof: if anyone would know, lartc.org would |
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| 18:09.46 | resiak | cmdKeen: choose Default System Session, counterintuitively enough. |
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| 18:09.48 | Loof | I've seen/done setups where there are two WAN connections... but it's /w cooperation on the ISP side and routing was set up there |
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| 18:10.04 | By-Tor | cmdKeen: I know. Just teasing you with a solution, albiet not what you want ;) |
| 18:10.09 | kavorka | Loof: you need iproute |
| 18:10.12 | stew | cmdKeen: make sure you have allow-user-xsession in /etc/X11/Xsession.options |
| 18:10.33 | rss | hi A. fooL |
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| 18:11.10 | cmdKeen | stew: hoho! that's most probably it. |
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| 18:11.18 | ptlis | Where, in Gnome, would I go to change/specify default file handlers for files with certain extensions and/or mime-types? |
| 18:11.20 | pumpkin0 | Hello. Is it possible to rebuild the installed package-list ? I think i killed something in apt and want to start over ... |
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| 18:11.47 | cmdKeen | stew: nope, it's already here:-/ |
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| 18:12.22 | Loof | kavorka: As opposed to 'ip' and the 'route' subcommand? |
| 18:12.45 | oding | Anyone, If i ctrl.alt.F2 how do i stop this X? |
| 18:12.51 | kavorka | Loof: read the Advanced Routing How to |
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| 18:13.08 | fbi | ptlis: not sure what browser you are using, but you can usually do that in the browser preferences |
| 18:13.08 | Mxyzpltk | Loof: www.lartc.org |
| 18:13.21 | pumpkin0 | oding: kill xdm or kdm, depening on what you are using. |
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| 18:13.35 | resiak | cmdKeen: choose Default System Session, counterintuitively enough. |
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| 18:14.45 | Loof | I'm looking at the howto at the moment |
| 18:14.53 | cmdKeen | resiak: where should I choose it ? i don't have english locales so I don't know what you mean(and I don't use gnome if you speak about gnome sessions) |
| 18:15.17 | Loof | I'm still not all that clear how load balancing even works... i.e. a connection is made from a source IP to a dest. IP |
| 18:15.38 | valdyn_ | pumpkin0: did you look into /var/backups/ ? |
| 18:15.39 | Loof | if you have a TCP connection open...then I don't see how it would be load balanced |
| 18:15.40 | ptlis | fbi, actually it's when browsing through the directory structure with nautilous. |
| 18:15.48 | Loof | if I understand this right, it's on a per route basis |
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| 18:15.55 | resiak | cmdKeen: oh, sorry. In the gdm Session menu when you log in, choose the option labelled (translated, obviously) "Default system session", which is numbered 1 for me. |
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| 18:16.08 | Loof | so like cnn.com might go through the cable modem... and google.com goes through the dsl line |
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| 18:16.14 | kavorka | Loof: there is a diagram and example there for load balancing beteween two interfaces |
| 18:16.14 | Loof | (well, per host, etc.) |
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| 18:16.28 | Loof | kavorka: I saw that. |
| 18:16.29 | cmdKeen | resiak: oh, I am going to try... |
| 18:16.32 | [AD]Ska | yo |
| 18:16.44 | Loof | What I'm hoping to be able to do is combine the upload capacity of both. |
| 18:17.46 | Loof | so I can send client files up 2x as fast (or so) |
| 18:17.47 | Loof | it SEEMS like I'd be able to use both... but only one at a time for any particular connection |
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| 18:17.48 | kavorka | Loof: something like: ip route add default equalize nexthop via a.b.c.d dev eth0 weight 1 |
| 18:17.48 | [AD]Ska | anyone interested in vector graphics development ? |
| 18:17.48 | Loof | so I could upload to one client via cable and to another client via DSL...thus keeping both going at 'full speed' |
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| 18:17.59 | kavorka | Loof: nexthop via e.f.g.h dev eth1 weight 1 |
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| 18:18.05 | pumpkin0 | valdyn_: no chance, nothing left. |
| 18:18.09 | Loof | but not use the cable capacity AND the DSL capacity at the same time. |
| 18:18.10 | rossi | how to install my wlan card which integrated in my notebook? |
| 18:18.15 | rossi | any hints? |
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| 18:18.28 | oding | Anyone, If i ctrl.alt.F2 how do i kill x? |
| 18:18.31 | Loof | kavoraka: But for this to work...wouldn't 'next hop' have to be a router in the 'internet cloud' side? |
| 18:18.33 | kavorka | Loof: it babances both at the same time |
| 18:18.36 | pumpkin0 | rossi: what laptop-model ? |
| 18:18.42 | rossi | elitegroup |
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| 18:18.49 | rossi | 11 mbits wlan |
| 18:18.52 | rossi | should it be |
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| 18:19.02 | rossi | do not know model name |
| 18:19.02 | pumpkin0 | oding: "killall -9 kdm" and killall -9 gdm should help |
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| 18:19.11 | valdyn_ | rossi: lspci |
| 18:19.12 | rossi | 3 ghz 1 gig ram radeon9000 |
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| 18:19.36 | rossi | lspci ? is it small pci or something? |
| 18:19.48 | valdyn_ | rossi: its a tool, run it |
| 18:19.52 | rossi | kk |
| 18:20.01 | rossi | and then? |
| 18:20.08 | rossi | I am not at home |
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| 18:20.14 | rossi | have no internet at home |
| 18:20.23 | rossi | and my laptop is at home |
| 18:20.37 | valdyn_ | rossi: read what your wireless adapter is, when you know that *precisely*, then come back and ask how to get it to run |
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| 18:20.54 | pumpkin0 | rossi: save the output und post it here. lspci > save.txt |
| 18:20.58 | rossi | I know realtek I think 8180 |
| 18:21.08 | valdyn_ | rossi: guessing doesnt help |
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| 18:21.15 | rossi | combo card |
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| 18:21.30 | resiak | cmdKeen: Joy?L |
| 18:21.34 | rossi | the other company name is somethin with a... |
| 18:21.56 | cmdKeen | resiak: nope. it ignores my ~/.xsession. Without Flux's startup file I wouldn't know howto... but forget about that I don't need it at the moment. |
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| 18:22.26 | elkid | x11-common xserver-xorg is enought for making my os with the Xs? |
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| 18:22.33 | resiak | cmdKeen: Bizarre. WORKSFORME here |
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| 18:22.48 | crashbg | can someone give me advice about installing HP color laserjet(USB) and Cups: i am in the web interface localhost:631 and adding the printer; but there are 2 choises: 1st is hp:/usb/hp_color... and the 2nd is USB Printer #1: (HP color...) |
| 18:22.50 | valdyn_ | !confuse elkid |
| 18:22.51 | dpkg | Yes, how was their mushroom tomorrow, elkid? lederhosen of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra cheese |
| 18:22.54 | crashbg | which one to choose? |
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| 18:23.25 | valdyn_ | crashbg: looks like both lead to the same result, why dont you try which works? |
| 18:23.39 | cmdKeen | resiak: Does it ?! Why does thing always doesn't work for me only... Such a wonderful gift:-/ |
| 18:23.51 | resiak | cmdKeen: heh |
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| 18:23.54 | crashbg | valdyn_: the problem is after this when is start the hp-toolbox - it doesn't detect the printer |
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| 18:24.14 | valdyn_ | crashbg: ah, sorry, i know nothing about this toolbox |
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| 18:24.37 | fbi | ptlis: i don't have a lot of experience with nautilus, i know in konqueror you can change the file associations with whatever application you need |
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| 18:24.43 | fbi | (sorry on the phone) |
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| 18:25.07 | valdyn_ | crashbg: that toolbox is from where? debian? |
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| 18:25.26 | ptlis | fbi, it's okay, thanks for the help anywa.y |
| 18:25.34 | fbi | no problem |
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| 18:25.47 | dli | any solution to use the imapd server also as my smtp server? it saves the trouble of finding local smtp when changing networks |
| 18:25.57 | valdyn_ | crashbg: if you mean hplip, i'd not use it before my printer works at all |
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| 18:26.40 | Shucknet | Is there a planned fix for the megaraid driver problem in the 2.6.x kernels? |
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| 18:27.06 | valdyn_ | Shucknet: /msg dpkg lkml, and look into the kernel bugzilla |
| 18:27.10 | petemc | dli: huh? |
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| 18:27.58 | [AD]Ska | anyone needs a good vector graphics library in c++ ? try to look at www.amanith.org |
| 18:28.03 | Shucknet | I have been fighting with my server for 3 days to try to find a good configuration and have yet to find one that will get everything working. I've dug through pretty much everything google can provide regarding smp, 2.6.x, and RAID. |
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| 18:28.30 | pumpkin0 | Kernel 2.6.11, 2 LANs (e1000 and ipw2XXX). with initrd e1000 is eth0, w/o initrd e1000 becomes eth1 (i _need_ both configs). Any easy way to fix this ? |
| 18:28.44 | valdyn_ | Shucknet: you tried both megaraid drivers? |
| 18:28.48 | petemc | pumpkin0: ifrename |
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| 18:29.07 | dli | petemc, since the imapd server can also do smtp, it saves me the trouble to set up smtp |
| 18:29.10 | pumpkin0 | petemc: thx, i will try it. |
| 18:29.11 | green_earz | Shucknet: is it software raid ? |
| 18:29.11 | Shucknet | I have two problems that I haven't been able to solve, one of them more important than the other. Whenever I boot to an smp enabled kernel, I get periodic negative CPU% in top and 100% spikes in the Xmonitor. |
| 18:29.22 | valdyn_ | pumpkin0: put those modules into /etc/modules in your preferred order |
| 18:29.23 | Shucknet | valdyn_: sorry, I tackled the wrong problem first. |
| 18:29.25 | petemc | dli: that didnt clear anything up, but ok |
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| 18:29.44 | System- | hey, i want to download debian, but i cant do the net install thing because i dont have a connection to the net on the computer i want to install it on, but i also dont want to have to download 14 iso images, what should i do? |
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| 18:29.47 | oding | pumpkin0, your commands don't seam to work ... |
| 18:29.59 | pumpkin0 | valdyn_: both are compiled into the kernel. |
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| 18:30.09 | petemc | System-: the first one or two should have most of what you need |
| 18:30.12 | pumpkin0 | oding: what login-manager do you use ? |
| 18:30.14 | valdyn_ | pumpkin0: in both kernels? |
| 18:30.16 | saloxin | System-: use cd 1 - has the most important stuff |
| 18:30.40 | Shucknet | My configuration is as follows: Tyan Tiger 100 with 2x P3-450 CPUs. I have an IBM ServeRAID 3h controller that I tried (using hardware RAID10 on 4 hard drives) and also tried an LSI MegaRAID Express 500. |
| 18:30.40 | oding | pumpkin0, Don't really know .. I'm new ;) |
| 18:30.49 | System- | ah ok, can the first 2 iso images be put on 1 disk, or do they have to b seperate? |
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| 18:30.57 | pumpkin0 | it's the same kernel, just once booting with intrd, once without. It's a special setup ... |
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| 18:31.00 | oding | I just installed debian and It booted .. and here I am now :) |
| 18:31.02 | saloxin | System-: separate |
| 18:31.06 | valdyn_ | Shucknet: there's 2 megaraid drivers.. |
| 18:31.09 | Shucknet | In my research, I have discovered that a number of people have had problems with the MegaRAID driver when upgrading from 2.4.27xxx to 2.6.x (myself included) |
| 18:31.11 | valdyn_ | Shucknet: ( IIRC ) |
| 18:31.21 | pumpkin0 | oding: does is say KDE or something else ? |
| 18:31.22 | elkid | somebody can tell me the deb line for the backport xorg i m in text mode need add it to my source.list |
| 18:31.25 | System- | damn ok, what will i miss out on on the others? |
| 18:31.42 | Shucknet | valdyn_: there is a megaraid and megaraid2 avaiable as choices in the config file when I go to compile the kernel |
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| 18:31.51 | Shucknet | both are selected as m |
| 18:31.51 | valdyn_ | Shucknet: right.. |
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| 18:31.58 | valdyn_ | Shucknet: so you tried both? |
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| 18:32.04 | fbi | elkid: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 18:32.08 | oding | gnome :) |
| 18:32.16 | Shucknet | yes, there is some sort of bug where it misdetects the IRQ of the card and kernel panics with 2.6.x |
| 18:32.17 | oding | pumpkin0, |
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| 18:32.19 | oding | gnome |
| 18:32.28 | Shucknet | I'm booting from the RAID, BTW |
| 18:32.39 | nickhutton | Can anyone help me mount some directories onto some partitions? |
| 18:32.41 | Fox_1_ | i have indtalled apache 1.3 with mod_security, and now i don't remember the SQL injection SecFilter? |
| 18:32.55 | pumpkin0 | oding: try this: "ps aux | grep kdm" and post the result here |
| 18:32.55 | valdyn_ | Shucknet: so you havent tried both |
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| 18:33.04 | cmdKeen | !anyone |
| 18:33.04 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:33.05 | elkid | fbi: deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main ? i did and i think i m missing xorgs packages |
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| 18:33.20 | error403 | I was wondering... I just created a 'cvs' group (for people with read/write to cvs repos), how do i actually add users to the group? |
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| 18:33.39 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 18:33.40 | valdyn_ | error403: adduser <user> <group> |
| 18:33.43 | nickhutton | I have tried mount -t ext2 /dev/sda3 /home but its giving errors |
| 18:33.47 | Gijs` | Is there any command for `screen` to reload the config file while still active ? |
| 18:33.51 | Shucknet | valdyn_: Unfortunately, I'm not a kernel expert so I can't vouch for sure. What I can tell you is that when I install the 2.7.24 image from aptitude, it works. When I install any 2.6 based kernel image from aptitude, I get a kernel panic |
| 18:33.52 | Fox_1_ | i have indtalled apache 1.3 with mod_security, and now i don't remember the SQL injection SecFilter? |
| 18:34.11 | nickhutton | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda3 |
| 18:34.13 | error403 | valdyn_, so that will add <group> to the list of groups <user> is a member of? |
| 18:34.15 | valdyn_ | Shucknet: 2.4.x doesnt even have 2 drivers iirc |
| 18:34.15 | oding | pumpkin0, I did what you said and it doesn't say or do a thing |
| 18:34.25 | Gijs` | Fox_1_: There is an example on modsecurity.org in the manuals. |
| 18:34.30 | Shucknet | valdyn_: I believe you are correct. |
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| 18:34.36 | saloxin | Shucknet: stick to 2.4? |
| 18:34.37 | valdyn_ | error403: you think the wrong way: it adds <user> to <group> |
| 18:34.38 | pumpkin0 | oding: OK, try "ps aux | grep gdm" |
| 18:34.40 | Gijs` | Fox_1_: http://www.modsecurity.org/documentation/quick-examples.html |
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| 18:34.47 | abrotman | Fox_1_: #apache ? |
| 18:34.50 | Gijs` | Fox_1_: But you should ask in #apache. |
| 18:34.56 | Gijs` | hehe abrotman |
| 18:34.57 | Shucknet | saloxin: I have thought about that and that would be ok. |
| 18:34.59 | error403 | valdyn_, but users can be members of multiple groups... |
| 18:35.03 | saloxin | Shucknet: ehe |
| 18:35.06 | jjazz | oding: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 18:35.10 | Fox_1_ | thanks a lot |
| 18:35.11 | Shucknet | But I also have another problem that is actually bigger |
| 18:35.14 | error403 | valdyn_, i see what you mean |
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| 18:35.15 | valdyn_ | error403: yes, users can be added to multiple groups |
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| 18:35.28 | fbi | elkid: i've never actually used those backports, i just upgraded to testing when xorg moved into etch |
| 18:35.28 | cmdKeen | nickhutton: what about just mount /dev/sda3 /wherever ? |
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| 18:35.29 | oding | pumpkin0, he said some lines .. |
| 18:35.33 | fbi | you might want to ask someone else |
| 18:35.35 | error403 | valdyn_, so i wont lose any previous groups, and ill get that new group on that user? |
| 18:35.35 | oding | can i copy it? |
| 18:35.36 | valdyn_ | error403: you weren't wrong, just thinking to complicated ;) |
| 18:35.37 | Shucknet | anytime I install an smp enabled kernel, I get a ton of keyboard repeating characters in gdm |
| 18:35.57 | Shucknet | my research has led me to believe it has something to do with CPU interrupts or usage |
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| 18:36.08 | oding | pumpkin0, is that the number that I have to kill? |
| 18:36.10 | nickhutton | cmdKeen: same error bo matter what directory or partition |
| 18:36.17 | pumpkin0 | oding: as root: "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" or "killall gdm" or "killall -9 gdm" |
| 18:36.20 | Shucknet | the Xmonitor shows spikes to 100% CPU usage on both CPUs intermittently |
| 18:36.25 | error403 | valdyn_, i know, not enough sleep... |
| 18:36.28 | nickhutton | I think its because the partition is the wrong file system |
| 18:36.28 | valdyn_ | error403: right, just read the file /etc/group before and after adding users to groups, maybe that clears it up for you |
| 18:36.28 | grendal_prime | ok i need to rip and encode some tracks off of a cd and as much as i would love to use ogg...i need something less complicated this needs to go to windows users...what would you guys suggest? |
| 18:36.33 | abrotman | Shucknet: so don't use one ? |
| 18:36.35 | pumpkin0 | oding: or "kill <number in ps-output" |
| 18:36.41 | abrotman | grendal_prime: grip ? |
| 18:36.47 | error403 | valdyn_, meant to go to bed at midnight, then my firewall crapped all over itself... |
| 18:36.47 | abrotman | grendal_prime: sound juicer ? |
| 18:36.49 | Shucknet | they seem to coincide with the repeating characters which appears to be due to X waiting for a response |
| 18:36.55 | Shucknet | abrotman: and waste a CPU? |
| 18:36.57 | grendal_prime | ya go that....i need the encoder portion |
| 18:37.03 | abrotman | Shucknet: not a whole CPU |
| 18:37.16 | fken | if you use the dvi port of your screen instead of your svga one, do you need to configure something with debian ? |
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| 18:37.26 | beardy | grendal_prime: windows users can play ogg. |
| 18:37.28 | abrotman | grendal_prime: uhm .. grip or sound juicer |
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| 18:37.35 | valdyn_ | fken: depends |
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| 18:37.37 | Shucknet | so when I run top from a console, I get intermittien negative CPU% on all processes |
| 18:37.39 | mendieta48 | hi |
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| 18:37.55 | mendieta48 | where I can list of mirrors for /etc/apt/source.list |
| 18:37.57 | mendieta48 | ? |
| 18:38.00 | mendieta48 | thanks |
| 18:38.00 | Shucknet | and so far I have been unable to track down anything regarding that problem |
| 18:38.03 | grendal_prime | i use ogg encoder for myself..but...well...the windows machines i try these on it complains about a codec |
| 18:38.04 | valdyn_ | fken: modern graphic cards and nice drivers will use whichever device is plugged in, if only one is plugged in |
| 18:38.05 | fken | valdyn_: on what ? |
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| 18:38.10 | abrotman | grendal_prime: http://nostatic.org/grip/ http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/sound-juicer |
| 18:38.22 | Shucknet | google doesn't give any results where anyone has negative CPU% values |
| 18:38.34 | green_earz | mendieta48: apt-setup and pick one |
| 18:38.39 | valdyn_ | fken: some cards or drivers wont 'detect' displays like that |
| 18:38.41 | abrotman | nothing like giving back to the grid! |
| 18:38.47 | fken | valdyn_: ok geforce 6600 neovo tft19" r12 and k8n amd64 nforce4 |
| 18:38.47 | mendieta48 | green_earz, in Internet? |
| 18:38.50 | mendieta48 | in Web |
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| 18:38.51 | abrotman | grendal_prime: the codec is free for win32 |
| 18:38.52 | CosmoDad | hi! How'd I start packaging a script I've created on my own which is not included in a tarball that dh_make needs? |
| 18:39.00 | error403 | valdyn_, thanks for your help... everything i could find on google for some reason said about editing /etc/groups manually, and that wasnt working... |
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| 18:39.02 | valdyn_ | fken: why dont you try, im not an encyclopedia |
| 18:39.04 | Shucknet | and I'm pretty afraid to continue installing on a system with that sort of behavior, especially when I really need it to be stable |
| 18:39.05 | abrotman | grendal_prime: http://vorbis.com/ |
| 18:39.05 | fken | valdyn_: drivers nvidia 7174 |
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| 18:39.09 | NP_complete | hi all |
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| 18:39.15 | ankon | hi. |
| 18:39.21 | mendieta48 | green_earz, apt-setup don't work --> --output-fd: unknown option |
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| 18:39.27 | fken | valdyn_: i tried it and now i find my display more light |
| 18:39.29 | valdyn_ | fken: my gforce always has the dvi port as primary |
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| 18:39.35 | abrotman | NP_incomplete ? |
| 18:39.40 | Shucknet | has anyone ever seen negative CPU% values in top before? |
| 18:39.46 | fken | valdyn_: my one had svga lol |
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| 18:39.52 | valdyn_ | fken: ( even if only the other port has a display plugged in ) |
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| 18:40.01 | green_earz | mendieta48: login as su and then apt-setup |
| 18:40.02 | cmdKeen | nickhutton: have you tried -t vfat ? |
| 18:40.06 | NP_complete | last day i told my dpkg to hold some packages, but i was wrong in fact i need to upgrade that packages, how to tell apt NOT TO HOLD? |
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| 18:40.16 | fken | valdyn_: both of the port have been plugged |
| 18:40.24 | ankon | anyone of you familiar with the design behind 3.1's installer? WHY does it imply that I want a non-root user, and why does it require me to provide a non-empty root password? Is that a funny policy, or was the option not to do that forgotten? |
| 18:40.24 | abrotman | NP_complete: dist-upgrade ? |
| 18:40.25 | fken | valdyn_: oups |
| 18:40.27 | fken | lol |
| 18:40.30 | asg | NP_complete: /msg dpkg hold |
| 18:40.31 | abrotman | !tell NP_complete about held back |
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| 18:40.47 | Shucknet | I'm not running a 2.6.8-2-686 kernel image and it's working fine, but my second CPU is only serving as a heater |
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| 18:40.51 | Shucknet | not = now |
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| 18:41.04 | nickhutton | cmdKeen: same error :'( |
| 18:41.15 | pumpkin0 | Sucknet: which CPU ? athlon 64 X2 ? |
| 18:41.19 | abrotman | Shucknet: try a 2.4.x .. see if the same happens ? |
| 18:41.27 | Shucknet | pumpkin0: P3-450 |
| 18:41.30 | nickhutton | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.30 | nickhutton | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda4, |
| 18:41.30 | nickhutton | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.31 | Shucknet | On a Tyan Tiger 100 |
| 18:41.32 | valdyn_ | ankon: its so stupid people dont flood the internet with the hacked bot boxes |
| 18:41.40 | abrotman | Shucknet: another option could be to look for a bios update |
| 18:41.41 | Shucknet | abrotman: I have - same results |
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| 18:41.57 | pumpkin0 | Sucknet: really try 2.4 and a BIOS update. |
| 18:42.02 | ankon | valdyn_, is there any "I WANT" button somewhere hidden? |
| 18:42.09 | Shucknet | abrotman: hmm.... I am pretty sure the BIOS is the latest, but I'll investigate that |
| 18:42.16 | valdyn_ | ankon: you're free to change anything after installing |
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| 18:42.21 | abrotman | Shucknet: strange option to try .. another keyboard |
| 18:42.22 | ankon | hmpf. |
| 18:42.25 | Shucknet | that's not a bad idea. |
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| 18:42.27 | thefillm | hi all |
| 18:42.33 | Shucknet | abrotman: believe it or not, I already did =) |
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| 18:42.36 | ankon | okay, if it has to be that way. thanks valdyn_ |
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| 18:42.56 | valdyn_ | ankon: let me know when you're done with it though, so i can run rm -rf / ) |
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| 18:43.03 | thefillm | can someone tell me where to find a log after an unsuccessfull kernel compilation? |
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| 18:43.06 | cmdKeen | nickhutton: don't know... try asking later:-/ |
| 18:43.14 | nickhutton | lol, ok |
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| 18:43.39 | ankon | valdyn_, sure. do you have one of those special devices to switch machines on without network connection? |
| 18:43.43 | sandman | Why does my apt think there is a nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2 package, when there is not? |
| 18:43.48 | ankon | if so, let me know where to get one :D |
| 18:43.50 | Shucknet | I don't suppose there's any tool to pull the BIOS version from a shell prompt, is there? I'm on the machine remotely right now |
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| 18:44.10 | valdyn_ | thefillm: its not logged to a file |
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| 18:44.37 | valdyn_ | thefillm: and btw, you shouldnt compile a kernel probably if you cant log it |
| 18:44.43 | Shucknet | I originally thought that irqbalance was causing the problem because everytime it went to the top of top was when I would get negative CPU%. But I disabled that and it still seems to be happening with 2.4 and 2.6 smp kernels |
| 18:45.10 | valdyn_ | Shucknet: tool is called dmidecode |
| 18:45.22 | thefillm | valdyn_: ouch, well actually i left it running on a machine which i am accessing remotely now so is there a way how to retreive the remote machines display? |
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| 18:45.58 | NP_complete | i love debian |
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| 18:46.06 | error403 | dont we all |
| 18:46.11 | error403 | thats why this is #debian |
| 18:46.13 | valdyn_ | thefillm: not really, unless you are explicitely running a vnc server or similar, or using 'screen' |
| 18:46.14 | NP_complete | lol |
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| 18:46.21 | error403 | we either love it, or have broken ir |
| 18:46.25 | error403 | s/ir/it |
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| 18:46.34 | thefillm | valdyn_: i c, thanx anyways |
| 18:46.41 | jjazz | (or been broken by it) |
| 18:46.48 | error403 | jjazz, that too |
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| 18:46.57 | Shucknet | hmm... I do have an old BIOS |
| 18:47.06 | Shucknet | too bad I can't update that remotely =) |
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| 18:47.07 | error403 | Like losing 4 hours sleep coz your firewall crapped all over itself... |
| 18:47.07 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 18:47.10 | Shucknet | I'll have to do that from home |
| 18:47.13 | abrotman | woohoo .. beer! |
| 18:47.15 | error403 | !beer |
| 18:47.15 | dpkg | beer is probably liquid gold mate |
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| 18:47.31 | error403 | !pal |
| 18:47.31 | dpkg | well, pal is a video format where NTSC isn't used |
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| 18:47.35 | error403 | erm |
| 18:47.37 | error403 | yeah |
| 18:47.47 | asg | abrotman: only 10 minutes till beer |
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| 18:47.57 | thefillm | see ya guys soon again :) |
| 18:47.58 | abrotman | asg: i need a haircut .. or i'd find someone to go :) |
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| 18:48.11 | asg | abrotman: your barber doesn't provide beer like mine? |
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| 18:48.18 | abrotman | asg: it's in the mall :) |
| 18:48.19 | shingouz | abrotman: what has a haircut to do with beer? |
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| 18:48.25 | grendal_prime | im not understanding something here.... i have the w32 codecs installed but how do i get grep to use them when compressing? |
| 18:48.27 | asg | abrotman: malls sell beer? |
| 18:48.33 | abrotman | shingouz: i dn't have wife2.0 cut my hair like you do :) |
| 18:48.34 | Gijs` | shingouz: some people put beer into their hair. |
| 18:48.38 | grendal_prime | not gret grip sorry |
| 18:48.39 | Shucknet | ha! The release date on my BIOS is 1995 |
| 18:48.39 | shingouz | abrotman: :p |
| 18:48.40 | abrotman | asg: not the mall i go to .. |
| 18:48.42 | Shucknet | they have a 2001 one |
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| 18:48.56 | Shucknet | sheesh, I can't believe I didn't think to try that on my own |
| 18:49.00 | abrotman | grendal_prime: use OGG |
| 18:49.00 | asg | abrotman: that's shitty. Oh well. |
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| 18:49.15 | abrotman | asg: it's near my house .. if i want a drunken mall expereience .. i go to the KoP mall |
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| 18:49.32 | sandman | Can I use 2.4 kernel modules with a 2.6 kernel somehow? |
| 18:49.38 | System- | can u use the netinst to setup debian, then copy files u want to the computer by cd instead of by using the net? |
| 18:49.38 | asg | !pal sandman |
| 18:49.39 | abrotman | asg: never ever send your wife to http://kingofprussiamall.com/ with a blank check :) |
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| 18:49.46 | valdyn_ | sandman: no |
| 18:49.51 | abrotman | !tell System- about u |
| 18:50.01 | Shucknet | thanks for the help guys. Let's hope the BIOS fixes the problem |
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| 18:50.03 | abrotman | System-: you could download whole isos |
| 18:50.06 | CosmoDad | how'd I start packaging a script I've created on my own which is not included in a tarball that dh_make needs? |
| 18:50.17 | valdyn_ | System-: there's a tool for doing this: 'apt-zip' |
| 18:50.21 | shingouz | fsck...i really should take time to update;upgrade a bit more frequently... this is going to take the whole frigging night |
| 18:50.24 | asg | abrotman: mrs asg doesn't like to spend money funnily enough. |
| 18:50.29 | System- | that would take forever to download all the iso files |
| 18:50.38 | abrotman | asg: they have an .. apple store! |
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| 18:50.50 | valdyn_ | System-: but you probably just want to download the first CD image and use that |
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| 18:50.53 | abrotman | asg: i find that there's a store in that mall for everyone |
| 18:51.04 | valdyn_ | System-: it has almost all you want |
| 18:51.05 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 18:51.20 | System- | can i transfer other stuff onto it after i used the first cd? |
| 18:51.21 | asg | abrotman: probably. |
| 18:51.29 | abrotman | asg: there's a comic book store even :) |
| 18:51.38 | abrotman | asg: and a frederick's of hollywood :) |
| 18:51.42 | asg | abrotman: heh |
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| 18:51.48 | valdyn_ | System-: sure |
| 18:51.54 | System- | cool thanks |
| 18:51.54 | mhall | What is the canonical Linux equivalent to the Virtualdub video editing application? |
| 18:52.03 | abrotman | the who to what? |
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| 18:52.18 | asg | mhall: audacity? |
| 18:52.24 | asg | oh, wait. |
| 18:52.24 | abrotman | video .. not audio |
| 18:52.33 | abrotman | wtf is virtualdub ? |
| 18:52.35 | thrice` | anyone have a good tutorial on creating .deb's ? |
| 18:52.36 | asg | abrotman: I thought of rastas when I saw 'dub' |
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| 18:52.40 | thrice` | other than checkinstall |
| 18:52.41 | asg | thrice`: /msg dpkg mg |
| 18:52.44 | abrotman | asg: but audacity is nice :) |
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| 18:53.15 | asg | abrotman: never used it myself. I can't think I'd ever want to record the chicken scratch I play and distribute it to the world. |
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| 18:53.34 | thrice` | asg, thanks |
| 18:53.40 | abrotman | asg: why not? ... it could be good! |
| 18:53.41 | klync | anyone using apt-proxy v2, who could help me add a deb-src tree to my list? and for bonus, a local source? |
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| 18:54.08 | mhall | abrotman: Virtualdub is a real simple freeware Windows video editing and conversion tool |
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| 18:54.24 | abrotman | klync: normally the deb-src is the same as your normal with deb-src instead of deb at the front |
| 18:54.33 | cheal | is it normal that #debian is still in overflow mode? |
| 18:54.35 | abrotman | mhall: oh .. uhm .. |
| 18:54.39 | abrotman | cheal: happens sometimes |
| 18:54.42 | asg | mhall: kino maybe |
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| 18:54.49 | klync | abrotman: yeah, I'm just a bit confused about apt-proxy-v2.conf syntax, I suppose I can tinker with it, tho |
| 18:54.53 | marienz | cheal: I'd blame the spambots |
| 18:54.56 | abrotman | oh .. that i don't know |
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| 18:55.04 | cheal | abrotman: but that it's still like that since...5 hours? |
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| 18:55.10 | abrotman | cheal: happens |
| 18:55.27 | klync | abrotman: well, how about the bonus question? setting up a local distro for my own backports? |
| 18:55.27 | abrotman | mhall: i've seen one .. but i think it's not in debian ... |
| 18:55.37 | abrotman | !repository |
| 18:55.37 | dpkg | it has been said that debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
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| 18:55.45 | cheal | ok, then is it normal that to join the real channel you have to wait to be kicked by debhelper? |
| 18:55.45 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 18:55.46 | klync | sweet |
| 18:55.49 | Gijs` | mhall: dvd::rip for ripping stuff |
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| 18:55.56 | asg | abrotman: nothingness beer, wtf? |
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| 18:56.06 | abrotman | asg: i was robbed! |
| 18:56.14 | asg | !rob abrotman |
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| 18:56.20 | fken | see ya |
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| 18:56.30 | moa3333 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.31 | asg | !literal cmd: beer (.*?) |
| 18:56.32 | dpkg | CMD: beer (.*?) is ($1): <action> (pulls out a (fine|excellent|exquisite|tasty)|pours a (pint|litre|quart) of|deftly decants a fine) (Guinness|Spaten (Optimater|Pils)|Jever||Yuengling Lager|Dogfishhead 90min IPA|Piraat|Franziskaner Hefeweizen) for $1 |
| 18:56.32 | abrotman | !tell me about literal cmd: beer (.*?) |
| 18:56.33 | cheal | or what does "practical" mean in "Please /join #debian; and /part #debian-overflow; as soon as is practical"? |
| 18:56.46 | abrotman | nice .. big .. blank |
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| 18:56.53 | asg | cheal: when you get around to it |
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| 18:57.08 | abrotman | and afaik .. it's still locked |
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| 18:57.16 | asg | cheal: s/practical/convenient/ is the sense I get from that expression. |
| 18:57.29 | mhall | abrotman: what is it called |
| 18:57.40 | mhall | asg kino? thanks |
| 18:57.43 | r3tex | where do i change the default keyboardlayout at boot? |
| 18:57.45 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/Jever||Yuengling/Jever|Yuengling/ |
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| 18:57.58 | abrotman | mhall: no .. it's not in debian .. Kino is in debian |
| 18:58.00 | ezerhoden | anyone switch to new opera release from firefox? I am finding it to be quite nice and responsive |
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| 18:58.17 | klync | one more q. ... is it reasonable to expect my homegrown debs will work on any i386 system as long as the dependencies are met? |
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| 18:58.41 | abrotman | klync: that's the idea |
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| 18:58.56 | shingouz | klync: they should unless you have managed to do something strange with them |
| 18:58.57 | abrotman | mhall: your google-fu is .. non-existant http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5335 |
| 18:58.58 | cheal | !tell ezerhoden about polls |
| 18:58.58 | r3tex | er, what is the debian equivalent of gentoo's /etc/rc.conf |
| 18:59.11 | klync | abrotman: ty... just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a gotcha... setting cflags or who knows what |
| 18:59.13 | cheal | r3tex: what's its use? |
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| 18:59.22 | Aim_Here | r3tex: /etc/rc*.d |
| 18:59.29 | Punko | i have a question for streamcast. can i ask ? |
| 18:59.36 | klync | shingouz: ty to you as well... I just might do strange things with them, but not til after it's all up and running |
| 18:59.45 | mhall | asg: is it for DV format only or are AVI + MPEG etc. supported? |
| 18:59.47 | r3tex | Aim_Here: where do i change the keyboard layout in it :P |
| 18:59.51 | Aim_Here | cheal, it's where the init scripts are |
| 18:59.54 | abrotman | r3tex: /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:00.05 | shingouz | klync: have you heard about a nice word? it is called "backup" ;) |
| 19:00.12 | cheal | Aim_Here: ok, I guess you have to right answer then |
| 19:00.22 | klync | shingouz: lol ... one of my favourite words |
| 19:00.25 | mhall | abrotman: the one _not_ in Debian? what is its name? |
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| 19:00.49 | Dantix | Hi all, anyone knows the way to get courier-pop looking for the users mailboxes files in other place than /home/user_name_folder? |
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| 19:01.25 | nullvoid | Dantix /etc/default/? |
| 19:01.38 | cheal | asg: I don't want to be completely annoying, but how could it not be convenient to /join #debian if you...already tried to join it? |
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| 19:02.09 | abrotman | mhall: i can't find it .. but here's a list on SF http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat=256 |
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| 19:03.23 | Dantix | nullvoid: I see only one parameter: MAILDIR, should be there where I need to specify the path to user_mailboxes? |
| 19:03.41 | abrotman | mhall: i was thinking of http://diva.mdk.org.pl/ .. and i don't think it's ready yet .. sorry |
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| 19:04.17 | mhall | abrotman: thanks |
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| 19:04.31 | abrotman | mhall: sorry for the run around :) |
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| 19:05.06 | mhall | abrotman: I've been searching for years. |
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| 19:05.22 | mhall | abrotman: This is just a bump along the road. |
| 19:05.35 | abrotman | mhall: i think that the cinnerla or whatever it is .. is probably the closest to a real solution |
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| 19:06.40 | musashi | tarde |
| 19:06.53 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 19:07.00 | _SerhaT_ | !br |
| 19:07.00 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 19:07.37 | musashi | ok |
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| 19:08.52 | musashi | assim#debia |
| 19:09.46 | nullvoid | !my |
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| 19:10.00 | nullvoid | gee dpkg can't speak malay |
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| 19:10.48 | Morydd | mozilla-enigmail is uninstallable in unstable. should I file a bug? |
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| 19:11.05 | abrotman | why is it uninstallable ? |
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| 19:11.49 | Aim_Here | Does uninstallable mean you can get rid of it, or you can't install it? |
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| 19:12.17 | Aim_Here | If the former, it's not a bug |
| 19:12.18 | Morydd | can't install: mozilla-mailnews (<2:1.7.10.0) but 2:1.7.11-1 is to be installed |
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| 19:12.27 | cheal | hehe, it usually means it can't be installed |
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| 19:13.18 | sTone_heAd | Aim_Here, it should be a version dependency, probably enigmail needs to update |
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| 19:14.05 | abrotman | Morydd: check incomong |
| 19:14.09 | abrotman | incoming |
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| 19:14.43 | Punko | hi |
| 19:14.44 | cheal | Morydd: don't file a bug |
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| 19:15.07 | Punko | i have a problem with my mic. when i want to stream to my shoutcast audio server it streams on 16kbps but it must be on 96kbps |
| 19:15.11 | Punko | someone help ? |
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| 19:16.01 | Morydd | abrotman: how do I check incoming? |
| 19:16.08 | abrotman | !incoming |
| 19:16.08 | dpkg | incoming is probably to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp), or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources#s-incoming-system |
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| 19:16.26 | EdgEy | !unstable |
| 19:16.26 | dpkg | somebody said unstable was the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid |
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| 19:17.19 | jc_ | good afternoon |
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| 19:18.14 | Morydd | no mozilla-enigmail in incoming |
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| 19:18.27 | allefant | is there an apt command to install tetex-bin from unstable? |
| 19:18.37 | jc_ | I create a shell under chroot, but the command ping dont work, return error: unknown icmp protocol ????? |
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| 19:19.08 | morkagain | Hi, any swedish people here ? |
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| 19:19.24 | tarzeau | !se |
| 19:19.25 | dpkg | methinks se is Social Engineering |
| 19:19.30 | tarzeau | !sweden |
| 19:19.30 | dpkg | i guess sweden is europe's canada, see kroner |
| 19:19.30 | simonrvn | eh |
| 19:19.31 | nkuttler | !swedish |
| 19:19.31 | dpkg | i heard swedish is Det finns en svenskspråkig kanal där du kan ställa dina frågor på svenska. #debian.se (There is a channel with swedish as its main language, there you can ask questions in swedish. #debian.se) |
| 19:19.37 | simonrvn | ah, better |
| 19:19.41 | moZer | is there a way other than dpkg -S /path/to/file to find out what package a certain file belongs to? |
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| 19:19.59 | morkagain | thanks dpkg |
| 19:20.01 | nkuttler | moZer: what's wrong with dpkg -S? |
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| 19:20.07 | moZer | it's slow |
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| 19:20.16 | nkuttler | moZer: /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:20.53 | moZer | thanks, but that doesn't work |
| 19:21.00 | moZer | i guess i'll just have to wait :-) |
| 19:21.06 | lordnazgul | so im having a minor issue in X i just got a machine up. im using fluxbox. and when i open emacs, the window is larger than the screen, but still centered. there isnt any point on it i can grab with a mouse that will move it and let me size it, is there a keystroke or something i can use to manually move the window? |
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| 19:22.00 | nkuttler | lordnazgul: iirc you can configure the keys to do anything you want in fluxbox, check the fluxbox homepage |
| 19:22.04 | brick | i need some advice on resolving a packaging system problem. i had some disk issues recently and i suspect some libs were corrupted. running apt-get -f install, i get a lot of "error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libxslt.so.1: invalid ELF header" and so many post-processing scripts fail. but forcing dpkg to replace libxslt from the archives gives me the same errors. any clues? |
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| 19:22.26 | mxn | Hi. I'm shamefully triyng to get my iPod to work under Debian Linux 2.6.12.3. My old SCSI scanning script doesn't seem to work. And I can't just rmmod sbp2 to remove it. Any ideas? |
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| 19:22.57 | nkuttler | brick: you could try to get the deb, ar x it and put the files in place |
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| 19:24.04 | brick | thanks nkuttler, i'll give it a shot |
| 19:24.22 | Aim_Here | lordnazgul, fluxbox lets you right click on the toolbar for your app and you can set it to remember various settings |
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| 19:24.33 | Devil_Kin | hey ppl.. any idea after my reinstallation of debian sid my touchpad doesn't register any clicks anymore when tapping, it's setup correctly as far as i can see |
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| 19:24.53 | Schiz0 | I'm looking into installing a desktop, before I was running fluxbox on a 550mhz processer, and I'm wondering what some opinions are between fluxbox and kde...I used kde a while ago, but a new version came out and I haven't seen it yet. |
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| 19:25.48 | bobesponja | I have a laptop with the touchpad mouse and I can't use it to click on Xorg, how can I turn the clicking on? |
| 19:26.09 | morkagain | well no suppert on the swedish channel :( |
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| 19:26.25 | nkuttler | morkagain: just ask in english here |
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| 19:26.39 | jbroome | morkagain: did your system go BORK BORK BORK? :) |
| 19:26.47 | abrotman | my sister does that |
| 19:26.58 | Devil_Kin | abrotman: my condolenses ;p |
| 19:27.09 | morkagain | well I just wanna compile a driver for my D-link dge-530T |
| 19:27.14 | brick | bobesponja: there are plenty of x config files on the net with examples of working touchpads |
| 19:27.18 | abrotman | morkagain: which chipset? |
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| 19:27.25 | Daveman | abrotman ;p |
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| 19:27.42 | Devil_Kin | brick: i seem to be having the same problem.. weird thing is, it's my old X config (before reinstall) where all worked fine |
| 19:27.44 | morkagain | hmm ... gonna check .. |
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| 19:29.15 | abrotman | why woudl you compile your driver .. before knowing which driver you need? |
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| 19:30.38 | morkagain | well the source is included in the package .. |
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| 19:31.45 | morkagain | it's a dlink dge-530t .. and the chipset is "a big" M ;) |
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| 19:33.09 | morkagain | <abrotman> the source is made for RH .. so I bet I just have to change some path's in the Make file |
| 19:33.47 | morkagain | <abrotman> but I havent used Linux for 3-4 years and feels very rusty |
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| 19:34.01 | abrotman | ok |
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| 19:34.30 | abrotman | morkagain: i doubt you have to .. but go ahead and muck with it :) |
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| 19:35.30 | morkagain | hehe .. will but just hate to fiddle in the dark |
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| 19:36.28 | yang | Is there a package to maintain GPRS connections? |
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| 19:38.26 | By-Tor | Hm. |
| 19:38.49 | Ezther | what do I add to Synaptic's Repository Listing so that I can search and add unstable packages? I think I just have the links to main/stable ones at the moment. |
| 19:39.38 | jim | solemnwarning: an autoaway?? |
| 19:39.45 | ircops | How do I overclock my processor using xterm? |
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| 19:39.53 | Gijs` | ircops: heheh |
| 19:39.57 | ircops | hehehe :D |
| 19:40.25 | dondelelcaro | !tell solemnwarning -about away |
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| 19:40.37 | samuel | what is a "System V style print client programs"? |
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| 19:41.09 | samuel | do i need it to print too? or just cupsys? |
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| 19:42.00 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he was told .. when he did it .. last night |
| 19:42.16 | abrotman | (and a few times before that) |
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| 19:43.00 | jim | ircops: you need to learn the system of how clocking works and what's involved... generally, that's a hardware question that would emanate from your motherboard and cpu... once you can deal with the overclocking from there, THEN there MIGHT be some way that some linux command that interfaces to a SPECIFIC kind of clocking/overclocking interface that might exist on your motherboard. |
| 19:43.12 | abrotman | eminate ? |
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| 19:43.25 | jim | I guess ;) |
| 19:43.34 | abrotman | it was a question .. |
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| 19:43.56 | jim | about spelling or content? :) |
| 19:44.05 | abrotman | spelling |
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| 19:44.18 | brick | what is the permission i need to set on /tmp? it got corrupted when i was messing with ar. |
| 19:44.27 | jim | oh, evidently I don't know the answer, but your version does look right |
| 19:44.28 | abrotman | how did you do that? |
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| 19:44.47 | abrotman | 1766 iirc |
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| 19:45.07 | jim | rwxrwxrwt? |
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| 19:45.29 | abrotman | 1777 ? |
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| 19:45.43 | brick | yeah, 1776 did it for me :) |
| 19:45.49 | brick | thanks for that abrotman |
| 19:46.01 | abrotman | you might want 1777 .. depends .. debian default is 1777 |
| 19:46.38 | kir_home | any debian developer interested in virtualization? |
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| 19:47.09 | dondelelcaro | kir_home: just ask your actual question... |
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| 19:47.52 | lemur | If a project is built and there is no one around to watch it, is a program produced? |
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| 19:48.05 | abrotman | say what? |
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| 19:48.18 | ircops | jim: I hope you didn't think that I was serious about that overclocking and xterm question hehehe |
| 19:48.19 | stew | go sox |
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| 19:48.26 | kir_home | dondelelcaro, I'm openvz project leader (http://openvz.org/) and am looking for debian people that might be interested in having openvz supported by debian distro |
| 19:48.28 | abrotman | stew: oh .. i forgot tthey were playing today |
| 19:48.37 | stew | abrotman: they won the first one today in 2.5 hours |
| 19:48.37 | abrotman | stew: did i tell you i bought playoff tix for phillies ? |
| 19:48.40 | junix|work | anyone know the kernel module for a Intel Ethernet card in 2.6.12? |
| 19:48.44 | seanr | Is there a problem with ftp.us.debian.org? I'm having a hell of a time with apt-get right now, because every fourth or fifth package stalls and eventually times out. One did it at 100% which makes no sense to me. |
| 19:48.44 | stew | abrotman: no, cool |
| 19:48.49 | bhanu | Hi can someone please tell me how paging works in windows? can we change the paging policy kinda things and make a fool of windows to make it think that i have more RAM then what i actually have |
| 19:49.05 | kir_home | junix|work, e100? |
| 19:49.10 | jim | ircops: I certainly was wondering about that :) |
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| 19:49.17 | junix|work | kir_home: it didn't work |
| 19:49.17 | kir_home | junix|work, or ee100? |
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| 19:49.37 | kir_home | junix|work, what was the diagnostics? |
| 19:49.42 | abrotman | stew: of course .. they have to make the palyoffs .. and there has to be a game4 of the NLDS |
| 19:49.49 | kir_home | or what lspci shows about your card? |
| 19:49.53 | Anthro | bhanu: Why would you imagine that anyone here would know or care about the answer to your question? |
| 19:50.00 | abrotman | bhanu: wrong channel .. we don't support win32 here |
| 19:50.18 | seanr | I'm getting lots of connection timeouts and at least one data socket time out. |
| 19:50.20 | kir_home | :) |
| 19:50.23 | bhanu | :) i know i am myself one who loathes blue |
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| 19:50.30 | bhanu | but i just wanted to know |
| 19:50.40 | bhanu | and for that i had to ask ppl who would tell |
| 19:50.44 | junix|work | kir_home: what do you mean? |
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| 19:50.47 | abrotman | there's an awful lot of people from PA here :) |
| 19:50.48 | bhanu | which is the linux guys not windows |
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| 19:50.54 | dondelelcaro | !info openvpn |
| 19:50.55 | beardy | bhanu: But they didn't. |
| 19:50.56 | bhanu | they don't say anything ;) |
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| 19:51.00 | dpkg | openvpn: (Virtual Private Network daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 309 kB, Installed size: 848 kB |
| 19:51.04 | dondelelcaro | kir_home: ^^^ |
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| 19:51.09 | abrotman | bhanu: still the wrong channel |
| 19:51.13 | Anthro | bhanu: Yeah, you be sure to let us know when you find someone who cares, okay? Have a nice day. Get out. |
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| 19:51.19 | dondelelcaro | kir_home: err... my bad... just a second |
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| 19:51.29 | yang | Is there a package to maintain GPRS connections? |
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| 19:51.42 | mick | hello |
| 19:51.48 | dondelelcaro | kir_home: unfortunatly, the QPL is likely not DFSG Free; regardless, if you want the software packaged, you can file an RFP on the wnpp pseudo package using reportbug. |
| 19:51.52 | mick | has anyone used interchange of debian? |
| 19:52.06 | kir_home | oops didn't know that |
| 19:52.07 | abrotman | i know of someone who has .. why? |
| 19:52.16 | Anthro | !polls |
| 19:52.16 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 19:52.26 | kir_home | is there a list of licenses that are DFSG-compatible? |
| 19:52.27 | mick | i'm using testing - and i downloaded the .deb from the interchange website |
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| 19:52.42 | dondelelcaro | kir_home: if you guys were to dual license the stuff that was under QPL under the GPL as well, that would probably suffice |
| 19:52.46 | mick | i've tried to set it up, but it refuses to create any content in /var/www |
| 19:53.10 | kir_home | dondelelcaro, we might consider that. our kernel is GPL though...as it should be |
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| 19:53.22 | dondelelcaro | kir_home: we don't really have such a list; I personally make it a habit of only recommending two licenses: 1) GPL 2) MIT |
| 19:53.23 | abrotman | mick: i've not used it .. and the guy i know woh has is not online currently |
| 19:53.38 | mick | ah ok |
| 19:53.42 | abrotman | mick: i'd think it was a config setting .. where is it putting the files ? |
| 19:54.10 | kir_home | I see. well MIT is not an option... :) GPL probably is. |
| 19:54.11 | mick | it puts files in /etc/interchange the config file tells it to use /var/www/ |
| 19:54.18 | mxn | Hi. I'm trying to rmmod something, but it says the module's in use. Doesn't say by what. Can I identify what's using it and kill it? |
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| 19:54.28 | simonrvn | !rmmod |
| 19:54.34 | simonrvn | !insmod |
| 19:54.34 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
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| 19:54.45 | simonrvn | same goes for rmmod |
| 19:54.58 | mxn | Groovy. |
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| 19:56.02 | mick | also, there was a setting: You can choose different sets of server parameters. Any store based on . |
| 19:56.02 | mick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.04 | mick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.09 | kir_home | dondelelcaro, the other thing I'm looking at is apt support for openvz's vzpkg tools. vzpkg is kinda meta package manager used to create VPS images, install/update existing VPSs etc. |
| 19:56.15 | mick | what does that mean |
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| 19:56.23 | mick | - my options are low/high/rpc |
| 19:56.33 | mick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.38 | kir_home | but i suppose before it will be gpled debian ppl would not be interested... |
| 19:57.10 | dondelelcaro | kir_home: well, if it's going to be Debian, you'd use cdebootstrap or similar to create the VPS images, etc. |
| 19:57.18 | mxn | simonrvn: OK, thanks. Now, modprobe -r sbp2 says "FATAL: Module sbp2 is in use". Any suggestions to removing it? |
| 19:57.27 | dondelelcaro | kir_home: with the addition of whatever packages you need for the non-root VPS images to function |
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| 19:57.37 | mick | i tried with low... um that didn't work |
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| 19:57.46 | mick | so i tried high... same thing |
| 19:57.46 | kir_home | dondelelcaro, thanks a lot, i will take a look |
| 19:58.04 | simonrvn | mxn: stop the device that's using it |
| 19:58.10 | mick | rpc - remote procedure calls... eh i'm not trying that |
| 19:58.38 | mick | (i assume thats what rpc means) |
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| 19:59.04 | mxn | simonrvn: The hardware device I've got plugged in, or the device under Linux? |
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| 19:59.19 | mxn | (I'd assume the latter.) |
| 19:59.20 | simonrvn | the h/w |
| 19:59.24 | mxn | Goodness! |
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| 19:59.43 | simonrvn | as in, nothing should be hooked up to box |
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| 20:00.07 | mxn | I'll level with you: it's an iPod, and it *really* doesn't want me to disconnect it. It's got a flashing symbol, and everything. |
| 20:00.09 | simonrvn | otherwise the module/kernel will see something still connected, and won't let the resource go |
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| 20:00.26 | simonrvn | good kick in the shins should help ;) |
| 20:00.33 | mick | i've searched for interchange (debian specific docs) - rtfm site on interchange is useless |
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| 20:00.51 | halibut | I have some trial software which has expired (30 day trial), called Transcribe!, I remove the software and put it back, and it still remembers it has expired, turning the date back makes it work, but where is it storing the date it was first installed? |
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| 20:01.07 | jim | mick: useless? why? (guess: you lack background?) |
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| 20:01.28 | mick | jim: useless for my problem |
| 20:01.36 | simonrvn | halibut: my guess in your $HOME dir |
| 20:01.36 | mick | i've read through the docs |
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| 20:01.48 | mick | jim: background in... what? |
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| 20:01.48 | simonrvn | or some file in /var |
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| 20:01.56 | kir_home | dondelelcaro, one more q... is there any bootstrapped debian images available for download...in the form of tarball or something? similar to gentoo stage3 if you know what |
| 20:02.00 | simonrvn | background in fartfishism |
| 20:02.25 | seanr | Just had another package stall at 100% what the hell is up with that? Why does it say 100% if it's not actually done downloading??? |
| 20:02.27 | simonrvn | kir_home: debootstrap, others |
| 20:03.11 | jim | why is the docs useless? maybe it would be useful to start there... it seems as though you're complaining about something, but there's not enough data on the table to determine exactly what you're complaining about and why |
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| 20:04.24 | mick | ah i found my problem... the interchange deb only works for apache1 |
| 20:04.27 | mick | not 2 |
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| 20:05.25 | kir_home | simonrvn, well looks like debootstrap is a script to produce what i want. basically i want a result of debootstrap |
| 20:05.36 | mxn | simonrvn: Sorry, are you saying I should disconnect my iPod, even though it says "Do not disconnect"? |
| 20:05.52 | jim | mick, also, when you said "these docs are useless", you matched a pattern which may or may not represent the reality of the situation... most matches indicate the person needs to learn some stuff that's more basic and that's supportive of the thing they're trying to use |
| 20:06.04 | kir_home | in the form of one big (~40-100M) tarball (or cpio archive, or smth) |
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| 20:06.12 | Squarepants | who can send me a sources.list file for apt? |
| 20:06.18 | SuperSox | I've got a laptop on my desk playing some tunes in xmms, I'm currently sitting on another laptop in bed, both machines have X and SSH running... how could I control xmms without leaving my bed? :D |
| 20:06.21 | tarzeau | Squarepants: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 20:06.28 | jim | Squarepants: you can make it yourself :) |
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| 20:06.52 | Squarepants | no i cant :) |
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| 20:07.06 | simonrvn | mxn: no. was just kidding. wait till it gives the ok i guess. i don't own one, so dunno how they work. |
| 20:07.09 | jim | what OS are you running? |
| 20:07.15 | jim | why not? |
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| 20:07.32 | kir_home | ssh to your 'desk laptop' and do xmms --help and you will find out |
| 20:07.36 | Squarepants | i am a newbie |
| 20:07.43 | SuperSox | kir_home: ahah, good thinking :) |
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| 20:07.54 | jim | we all were at one time or another |
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| 20:08.07 | mick | jim: while many people may say that - "these docs are useles"... some docs are infact useless and need to be revised (i work on plenty of projects to know this for myself) |
| 20:08.08 | kir_home | SuperSox, this is how to do it from cmdline |
| 20:08.23 | beardy | SuperSox: ssh to the machine, 'man xmms' (xmms -n, next song and so on) |
| 20:08.29 | Squarepants | then someone tell me what to put there :) |
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| 20:08.54 | SuperSox | kir_home: :D didn't realise xmms supported such commandline activity, I thought I'd have to do something clever with X |
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| 20:09.13 | LuPuZ | Hey i need some help here :S ... I need to know if there is any command to check the hardware specifications |
| 20:09.18 | LuPuZ | like systeminfo or something |
| 20:09.19 | asuffield | SuperSox: but you may want to look at mpd. it's just better |
| 20:09.19 | jim | mick: like I say, occasionally the pattern will match but the statistically significant conclusion is incorrect/inappropriate/inwhatever :) |
| 20:09.21 | kir_home | SuperSox, i guess you just want to shut it up :) |
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| 20:09.30 | pumpkin0 | LuPuZ: lspci -v -v |
| 20:09.35 | LuPuZ | thx |
| 20:09.39 | concept10 | anyone heard of this site called allofmp3.com? |
| 20:09.44 | SuperSox | kir_home: hell no, I want to control it and add more tracks to it without leaving my bed haha |
| 20:09.47 | jjazz | LuPuZ: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:10.18 | jim | allofy0u.com? |
| 20:10.19 | kir_home | SuperSox, adding more tracks is just xmms -e file1.mp3 file2.mp3 ... |
| 20:10.23 | halibut | simonrvn, I removed the exe, then deleted the .transcribe7 config file from home dir, then unzipped the program again, and it still remembers! :( |
| 20:10.41 | SuperSox | kir_home: awesome - thank you :) |
| 20:10.49 | kir_home | SuperSox, but if you want to see xmms gui on you 'bed laptop' you have two options. |
| 20:11.01 | LuPuZ | thx aot for the helå pumpkin0 and jjazz |
| 20:11.06 | LuPuZ | help* |
| 20:11.06 | crashbg | can someone help me to set gdm and xdmcp for remote login? |
| 20:11.15 | simonrvn | halibut: could be also a file elsewhere in the fs, or you missed something |
| 20:11.22 | jjazz | crashbg: google freenx |
| 20:11.35 | concept10 | I was wondering about this site, never used it myself, netcraft toolbar tells me that its russian owned, my sister buys mp3s fromt there. i think i should warn her |
| 20:11.48 | SuperSox | kir_home: which would be? ;) |
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| 20:12.01 | kir_home | SuperSox, (1) run xmms as 'ssh -X desktop_laptop_address xmms' -- that way it will be executed on desktop but display its interface on 'bedtop' :) |
| 20:12.05 | jim | crashbg: it's that xdm in debian is configured (by default anyway) to not listen to tcp |
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| 20:12.17 | beardy | concept10: warn her of what? |
| 20:12.18 | SuperSox | ohhh |
| 20:12.21 | kir_home | SuperSox, (2) use VNC |
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| 20:12.34 | SuperSox | I'm going to try 1 |
| 20:12.34 | pumpkin0 | concept10: wrong channel to discuss that site. But it's legaly and virus-wise OK |
| 20:12.35 | jjazz | concept10: You are ridiculously offtopic, and being this far offtopic in this forum and in #ubuntu at the same time, really makes me think you're a troll |
| 20:12.44 | kir_home | OK it should work :) |
| 20:12.51 | jim | crashbg: if you can change that, you should be able to log in remotely |
| 20:13.06 | crashbg | jim: i've edited /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc and removed --nolisten tcp |
| 20:13.09 | asuffield | concept10: I think you should give us your sister's telephone number |
| 20:13.16 | beardy | jjazz: A lot of people are also just stupid. |
| 20:13.23 | jim | crashbg: ok, stop and restart xdm |
| 20:13.23 | crashbg | then fixedalso gdm.conf |
| 20:13.31 | concept10 | jjazz, off topic maybe, troll not... |
| 20:13.37 | kir_home | no, give RIAA your sister's telephone number :) |
| 20:13.49 | SuperSox | kir_home: unable to open display :( |
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| 20:13.52 | crashbg | jim: i don't have xdm; i have gdm wich is based on xdm |
| 20:14.04 | jim | oh, then stop/start gdm :) |
| 20:14.06 | jjazz | beardy: Sure, but to start the same exact convo in both places at once? I say troll, you say stupid. Maybe the answer is both. |
| 20:14.09 | concept10 | jjazz, furthermore, what does it matter what channels im in? thats the dumbest argument ever |
| 20:14.13 | crashbg | i've tried but when i try to login remotely it kickes me out |
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| 20:14.26 | jim | why? |
| 20:14.34 | kir_home | SuperSox hmm and you have used -X switch to ssh? |
| 20:14.35 | beardy | jjazz: I'm not in #ubuntu. |
| 20:14.40 | crashbg | i've even set up xhost + :) |
| 20:14.42 | SuperSox | yip |
| 20:14.47 | SuperSox | kir_home: yip |
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| 20:14.57 | crashbg | i don't know...ji |
| 20:14.59 | crashbg | jim |
| 20:15.00 | crashbg | :) |
| 20:15.02 | jim | do you have xauth? |
| 20:15.07 | concept10 | jjazz, say what you fucking like, I was trying to get some insight and protect my sister. Just as if you were bothering her, i would kick your ass |
| 20:15.16 | jim | -maybe- you need xbase-clients package |
| 20:15.18 | jjazz | crashbg: The thing you are trying to accomplish is often difficult to setup. The simpler way is to do freenx. It's actually pretty painless and has the benefit of encrypting the traffic (ssh) as well as allowing you to suspend and resume sessions. |
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| 20:15.28 | jim | but that's a blind shot in the dark |
| 20:15.58 | crashbg | it's the newest version (sarge) |
| 20:16.12 | crashbg | jjazz: well...i guess i will have to try it |
| 20:16.14 | jim | so you have xbase-clients |
| 20:16.29 | jim | ok, so you'll have to find out why is the server kicking you out |
| 20:16.49 | kir_home | SuperSox, hmm. another way of doing it is xhost +bedtop_ip; ssh bedtop_ip <Enter> export DISPLAY=bedtop_ip:0.0<Enter>xmms &<Enter> |
| 20:16.50 | jjazz | crashbg: I'm a satisfied user. :) |
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| 20:16.57 | jim | (ok, so it's not a "server"... but...) |
| 20:17.08 | crashbg | any ideas? |
| 20:17.13 | kir_home | SuperSox, oops sorry |
| 20:17.13 | SuperSox | kir_home: humm yes I suppose that would work too |
| 20:17.25 | jim | crashbg, ok, so you'll have to find out why is the server kicking you out |
| 20:17.51 | kir_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.15 | pirre | kir_home: ssh -X ? |
| 20:18.28 | crashbg | well i am looking at the gdm log files |
| 20:18.48 | jim | that is a very good place to start of finding out why |
| 20:18.55 | crashbg | there is something about Speedo and removing from list but nothing else |
| 20:18.56 | SuperSox | kir_home: that would export xmms from the bedtop to the desktop? |
| 20:19.24 | jim | is there another log? |
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| 20:19.53 | jim | is there a way to try connecting and have it log detailed messages while you try? |
| 20:20.00 | crashbg | no, i mean this is the most rescent one |
| 20:20.08 | concept10 | i have to stop letting this crap piss me off |
| 20:20.26 | kir_home | SuperSox, no that would tell xmms to display itself on your bedtop X server. |
| 20:20.35 | SuperSox | ok :D |
| 20:20.39 | kir_home | pirre, ssh -X doesn't work for SuperSox for some reason |
| 20:20.56 | pirre | kir_home: ah, sorry, I jumped into the conversation :) |
| 20:21.09 | wang | is it possible to have the motd displayed to users logging into a samba shared directory? |
| 20:21.28 | kir_home | pirre, do you know why this could happen (ssh -X doesn't work)? I have noticed this sometimes but don't remember it now |
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| 20:22.00 | jjazz | kir_home: It's case-sensitive. |
| 20:22.12 | jjazz | kir_home: (just a suggestion) |
| 20:22.13 | pirre | kir_home: no, but I would guess the problem lies somewhere else |
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| 20:22.35 | robin_sz | evenin' |
| 20:22.36 | kir_home | yup. SuperSox are you sure you used capital X? :) |
| 20:22.46 | kir_home | ssh -X not ssh -x :) |
| 20:22.50 | jjazz | (I've made that mistake before) |
| 20:22.59 | robin_sz | so, debian on a slaptop .. is there support fro encrypted file systems? |
| 20:23.07 | SuperSox | I used a capital X :) |
| 20:23.15 | kir_home | :-\ |
| 20:23.31 | pirre | robin_sz: google.co |
| 20:23.35 | pirre | s/co/com/ |
| 20:23.42 | pirre | SuperSox: what happens when you try with -X ? |
| 20:23.54 | SuperSox | pirre: it says it cannot open display |
| 20:24.06 | pirre | what does "echo $DISPLAY" say? |
| 20:24.14 | pirre | ...on the remote computer |
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| 20:24.49 | SuperSox | nothing |
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| 20:25.06 | SuperSox | should I set it to :0.0 ? |
| 20:25.23 | robin_sz | SuperSox: you do know tha X forwardign ver SSH has to be explicitly enabled on debian usually, check the sshd on the remote machine |
| 20:25.47 | pirre | no, it should be 10.0.0.1:0.0, if 10.0.0.1 is the ip of the machine you want to display on |
| 20:25.53 | SuperSox | robin_sz: ah, I wasn't aware of that... how would I go about enabling it? |
| 20:25.58 | pirre | "export DISPLAY=10.0.0.1:0.0" |
| 20:26.10 | robin_sz | look in /etc/sshd/sshd.conf |
| 20:26.44 | SuperSox | hummm, I only have /etc/ssh/ |
| 20:27.04 | pirre | SuperSox: that's the correct directory |
| 20:27.17 | robin_sz | sshd_config |
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| 20:27.31 | robin_sz | look for X11Forwarding, set it to yes |
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| 20:27.40 | SuperSox | then restart sshd |
| 20:27.44 | robin_sz | yep |
| 20:27.57 | robin_sz | log out and then log in again with -X |
| 20:28.31 | elephant | Hi all |
| 20:28.34 | kir_home | whohoo it works for me |
| 20:28.42 | kir_home | I mean I tried that on a local machine |
| 20:28.42 | robin_sz | great |
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| 20:29.06 | kir_home | set X11Forwarding yes, restart sshd, ssh -X localhost and voila |
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| 20:29.23 | robin_sz | right, now where was I .. Oh yes, pirre, you were telling me somehting useful about google if I remember? |
| 20:29.33 | SuperSox | it kinda works here... |
| 20:29.43 | elephant | What is the good politic to add user/group ? I have only one group called "root" and to user "root" & "joe". Should i make a "User Group" with "joe, mike..etc" and a "Root Group" with "root" ? |
| 20:29.58 | robin_sz | kinda?> |
| 20:30.07 | SuperSox | ahh there we go - it was just being sluggish :) |
| 20:30.16 | kir_home | SuperSox, the thing is you have to kill your existing xmms and run a new one |
| 20:30.24 | SuperSox | wooo, that's cool as <explitive> |
| 20:30.38 | robin_sz | yeah, its a bit network heavy opening the gui, but quick enough once its up |
| 20:30.46 | kir_home | SuperSox, with VNC you don't have to kill xmms, you'll see your existing desktop instead. |
| 20:30.49 | SuperSox | try that windows :D |
| 20:31.01 | SuperSox | kir_home: yeah... I've used VNC for various things |
| 20:31.07 | robin_sz | SuperSox: oh, you can do that in doze ... |
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| 20:31.22 | SuperSox | but... the resolution on the other laptop is about twice the size it'd just get messy |
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| 20:31.23 | kir_home | ok then :) |
| 20:31.28 | SuperSox | robin_sz: really? :S |
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| 20:31.38 | kir_home | ooh it will :-\ |
| 20:31.39 | robin_sz | SuperSox: infact, in dozem the trick is finding ways to stop people doing that when you dotn expect it |
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| 20:32.00 | SuperSox | robin_sz: without cygwin? |
| 20:32.03 | pumpkin0 | supersox: the key is a windows server and remote desktop. they have copied VNC |
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| 20:32.26 | robin_sz | SuperSox: its also the reason Windows is cheaper to admin than linux ... |
| 20:32.27 | SuperSox | pumpkin0: hahah... I'd just run VNC, I trust it more than that remote desktop guff in XP ;) |
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| 20:32.59 | stylesen | hmmm VNC is similar to Net meeting but needs to improve |
| 20:33.05 | robin_sz | SuperSox: you just connect your Windows box to the network and .. bling, 10 minutes later you have half a dozen volunteer sysadmins logged in to help for free ... |
| 20:33.06 | pirre | vnc over ssh is preferable |
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| 20:33.34 | SuperSox | it's funny, I've used things like NetOp and various other comercial remote desktop tools... VNC still seems the most stable |
| 20:33.51 | SuperSox | robin_sz: hehe, I see what your getting at ;) |
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| 20:34.03 | robin_sz | SuperSox: phew, at last ;) |
| 20:34.04 | stylesen | vnc is nice but still its needs to improve.. |
| 20:34.27 | robin_sz | oh pissing arse, these spambots are beginning to annoy me |
| 20:34.30 | Shucknet | My question is marginally Debian related... If I have the full courier-mta installed, so I still have to install courier-IMAP separately to get IMAP? |
| 20:34.38 | Shucknet | so = do |
| 20:34.45 | stew | Shucknet: yes |
| 20:34.50 | stylesen | do anyone have any idea of afs |
| 20:34.51 | Shucknet | ok, thanks! |
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| 20:35.15 | robin_sz | courier ... somehow thst always ends up scaring me |
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| 20:35.24 | stew | Shucknet: you might also want courier-maildrop |
| 20:35.33 | stylesen | coz the script comes along with debian for configuring afs is not working |
| 20:35.37 | stylesen | any idea |
| 20:35.40 | stylesen | ??? |
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| 20:36.01 | Shucknet | stwe: what does maildrop do? |
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| 20:36.06 | Supaplex | !any ideas |
| 20:36.06 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and a handful of starving kittens. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 20:36.10 | SuperSox | running things remotely should also take a little strain off this poor laptop |
| 20:36.22 | nkuttler | stylesen: check /usr/share/doc/whateverpackage |
| 20:36.32 | stew | Shucknet: its an mda like procmail, but if you would rather use procmail, don't worry about it |
| 20:37.05 | Shucknet | stew: I was kind of under the impression that was included in the full courier-mta package |
| 20:37.22 | stylesen | hmmm i ve seen enough of that... but the script has some problem.. which i couldn figure out |
| 20:37.37 | kir_home | gottago |
| 20:37.53 | stew | Shucknet: nope, its all modularized in debian. apt-cache search --names-only courier |
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| 20:38.33 | Shucknet | cool. thanks |
| 20:38.34 | pumpkin0 | what happens if i delete by hand /usr/shared/local ? What will crash first ? |
| 20:38.56 | r_marvin | let's all make bets |
| 20:39.00 | MacNamera | hi, what is a good channel about laptop hardware questions? |
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| 20:39.29 | Aim_Here | pumpkin0, only apps you've installed yourself will be in /usr/share/local |
| 20:39.39 | nkuttler | pumpkin0: dpkg -S /path/foo/bar |
| 20:39.42 | Aim_Here | So I reckon nowt will break |
| 20:39.48 | robin_sz | I presume that qmail only builds from source still? |
| 20:39.55 | nkuttler | Aim_Here: that should be /usr/local/, shoudn't it? |
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| 20:40.09 | pumpkin0 | wait a sec... |
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| 20:40.12 | DireFog | there's /usr/share/locales |
| 20:40.13 | Aim_Here | erm, d'oh |
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| 20:40.16 | Kachingo | hola! |
| 20:40.17 | Shucknet | stew: I thought the webadmin part looked a little thin with just the base mta installed |
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| 20:40.42 | stew | Shucknet: i've never looked at the webadmin part |
| 20:40.49 | robin_sz | sigh, now if robomail was available as a debian package ... |
| 20:40.50 | stylesen | afs any buddy there to answer |
| 20:40.50 | Shucknet | it's pretty durn handy |
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| 20:41.14 | pumpkin0 | /usr/local has 125MB, /usr/shared/local 85MB. i need to save diskspace and i don't plan using japanese or something like that... |
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| 20:41.29 | Kachingo | does anyone know how to stop XFree86 automatically, and for KDE to do it instead? |
| 20:41.41 | Kachingo | *booting automaticallu |
| 20:41.42 | nkuttler | Kachingo: ? |
| 20:41.53 | nkuttler | Kachingo: kde runs inside x |
| 20:41.54 | Kachingo | **automatically |
| 20:41.59 | Kachingo | really. |
| 20:42.05 | robin_sz | Kachingo: disable gsm in rc.d ? |
| 20:42.08 | Shucknet | so does Debian not have the webmail portion of Courier available? |
| 20:42.09 | robin_sz | gdm |
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| 20:42.21 | robin_sz | Shucknet: yes, its call sqwebmail |
| 20:42.24 | bayab00m | hi folks |
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| 20:42.30 | nkuttler | Shucknet: apt-cache search webmail courier |
| 20:42.46 | By-Tor | Man. Everyone uses gdm. Doesn't anyone use xdm anymore? |
| 20:42.59 | nkuttler | xdm rocks |
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| 20:43.06 | Kachingo | i use xdm :P |
| 20:43.13 | pumpkin0 | By-Tor: HERE |
| 20:43.16 | SuperSox | I use xdm on one of my laptops |
| 20:43.17 | robin_sz | I fscking hate greaphical logins |
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| 20:43.23 | Shucknet | thanks for all the help guys |
| 20:43.27 | Shucknet | I really appreciate it |
| 20:43.29 | robin_sz | np |
| 20:43.42 | Shucknet | (and gals, of course) |
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| 20:43.54 | elkdid | xdm does not have any reboot or shutdown bottom |
| 20:43.55 | robin_sz | where? |
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| 20:44.03 | elkdid | buttom |
| 20:44.09 | SuperSox | then again, the laptop that runs xdm also runs IceWM |
| 20:44.13 | DireFog | almost there... |
| 20:44.13 | Kachingo | so, X should start first? Then KDE run inside it? |
| 20:44.28 | SuperSox | elkdid: I read an article that told you how to get those buttons :) |
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| 20:44.39 | pumpkin0 | Kachingo: X => kdm/gdm/xdm => KDE |
| 20:44.46 | Shucknet | what is groupware calendaring? |
| 20:44.49 | elkdid | SuperSox: really |
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| 20:45.05 | Shucknet | is that like a giant corporate calendar that we can all view from each other? |
| 20:45.08 | elkdid | m-a rocks |
| 20:45.11 | SuperSox | elkdid: yeah, sorry I don't know the link, but if you google for xdm customization or similar you may find it |
| 20:45.11 | robin_sz | Shucknet: a shared calendar, sou your mates can cancle your meetings for you |
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| 20:45.34 | Shucknet | robin_sz: heh. not sure that's worth it =) |
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| 20:45.41 | SuperSox | robin_sz: haha shared calanders are a total pain in the arse - especially when they are tied in with outlook :) |
| 20:45.48 | robin_sz | heh |
| 20:46.05 | pumpkin0 | Kachingo: X makes the hardware work, kdm/gdm/xdm enables you to log in, kde & co manages the windows/dialogs you are using. |
| 20:46.10 | jjazz | Shucknet: they're good for offices where people have interdependant scheduling needs. I have yet to see it done well, though. |
| 20:46.11 | Kachingo | hmm... I have 2 log in in X, then it goes into KDE. THat normal? Also, it won't let me have a screen resolution over something retarded like 640x400 or something like that |
| 20:46.12 | robin_sz | with CRM, you dont need shared calndards anyway :) |
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| 20:46.40 | nkuttler | Kachingo: install a dm, like xdm |
| 20:46.45 | robin_sz | its time debian got a best-of-breed CRM tool |
| 20:46.49 | SuperSox | actually it's ok with outlook, but only because I think I could sync the calender on my Xda with it... |
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| 20:47.00 | simonrvn | 'calendar' |
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| 20:47.07 | Kachingo | I thought i had. It says starting xdm when it runs the start-up blurb. |
| 20:47.08 | nkuttler | Kachingo: or kdm |
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| 20:47.20 | nkuttler | Kachingo: install kdm, it's easier to use |
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| 20:47.23 | Kachingo | kdm eh? How would I get this? |
| 20:47.25 | elkdid | gdm is prettier |
| 20:47.28 | jjazz | robin_sz: Which is Best of breed, in your opinion? |
| 20:47.29 | SuperSox | my xda is about the only box I don't mind windows running on :) |
| 20:47.37 | nkuttler | Kachingo: man apt-get |
| 20:47.37 | DireFog | gdm needs gnome, gnome is evil. |
| 20:47.44 | robin_sz | jjazz: tricky, either xrms or SugarCRM |
| 20:47.46 | nkuttler | DireFog: how is gnome evil? |
| 20:47.47 | Bac9 | nkuttler: gdm is much faster then kdm, and arguably nicer looking |
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| 20:47.57 | elkdid | agreed |
| 20:47.59 | jjazz | robin_sz: I'll look into those. Thanks. |
| 20:48.01 | Bac9 | Kachingo: try gdm unless you really like kde |
| 20:48.01 | nkuttler | Bac9: that could be, i don't use them |
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| 20:48.13 | SuperSox | even although I had to install a third party task switcher because Pocket Windows 2003 decided not to come with it |
| 20:48.16 | DireFog | nkuttler: it's a bit possessive. I could never keep it from ruining my keyboard layout |
| 20:48.23 | Bac9 | nkuttler: yeah the new graphical greeter is real slick, and almost as fast as xdm |
| 20:48.32 | robin_sz | jjazz: sugar is the "all singing all dancing" one, very flash, but huge .. vast. |
| 20:48.36 | Bac9 | nkuttler: and about 10x (at least) faster then kdm |
| 20:48.43 | nkuttler | DireFog: so gnome is evil because you're not competent enough to fix your keymap? i see. |
| 20:48.43 | Kachingo | i still dont get how apt-get works. It just pulls the programs out of thin air. The magic of linux I guess. |
| 20:48.44 | elkdid | is there another diferent than xdm, gdm, kdm for these tasks |
| 20:48.47 | DireFog | which made the AltGr key inoperable, which kinda sucks with german layout. |
| 20:48.50 | nkuttler | Bac9: good to know, thanks |
| 20:48.52 | jjazz | robin_sz: I want simple. Guess I'll try xrms first. |
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| 20:49.00 | robin_sz | jjazz: xrms is small and friendly, does most tings, but it really isnt obvious that it does until you pla with it ... |
| 20:49.01 | Bac9 | nkuttler: yeah I was surprised myself |
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| 20:49.22 | Bac9 | nkuttler: the gnome people seem to be advancing real fast |
| 20:49.22 | jjazz | robin_sz: Is it designed for collaboration with a group? |
| 20:49.23 | Kachingo | I |
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| 20:49.38 | Kachingo | I'll be back! THanks & bye |
| 20:49.47 | DireFog | nkuttler: After some 10 or so hours total time, it got ridiculous. In KDE it's just uncheckuing averything in the keyboard setup. in gnome, it's something debian-user didn't know. |
| 20:49.49 | SuperSox | for heavy-weight stuff like that I much prefer KDE, it's very userfriendly imo |
| 20:50.10 | Bac9 | SuperSox: kde is a hog, so is gnome an E, but kde is a hog |
| 20:50.15 | DireFog | (wow, that tuirned into a kde-vs-gnome pretty quickly ;-) ) |
| 20:50.17 | robin_sz | jjazz: yeah, you can have "roles" .. so anyone who is sales role can be scheduled to follow up, passing it on to anyone in technical role for quoting for isntance |
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| 20:50.22 | nkuttler | DireFog: /msg dpkg keymap if you're interested... xmodmap should be able to fix it |
| 20:50.30 | SuperSox | Bac9: agreed totally, personally I run xfce4 and IceWM |
| 20:50.38 | jjazz | robin_sz: Interesting. |
| 20:50.41 | Bac9 | SuperSox: I just run pwm |
| 20:50.50 | SuperSox | but I'm doing a debian install for one of my friends I'm going to go for KDE |
| 20:50.58 | Bac9 | SuperSox: but definitly xfce4 is much nicer then xfce3 |
| 20:51.00 | SuperSox | Bac9: humm, not looked at/heard of that |
| 20:51.01 | robin_sz | so, anyway, encrypted filesystems for my slaptop ... |
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| 20:51.10 | robin_sz | does debian suppprt that? |
| 20:51.11 | DireFog | nkuttler: been there, done that. after starting anything gnome, my settings were overwritten |
| 20:51.11 | Bac9 | SuperSox: have you heard of ion? |
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| 20:51.23 | valdyn_ | !cyptfs |
| 20:51.27 | valdyn_ | !cryptfs |
| 20:51.28 | robin_sz | ah ha! |
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| 20:51.32 | nkuttler | DireFog: well, you can configure startup scripts in gnome |
| 20:51.33 | SuperSox | Bac9: nope, the only window managers I really know are *box IceWM and xfce |
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| 20:51.37 | Bac9 | SuperSox: go for gnome for newbies, unless he has a top of the line box, then go with what ever he likes |
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| 20:51.43 | SuperSox | Bac9: and of course stuff like windowmaker |
| 20:51.59 | SuperSox | Bac9: nah, her box should cope with KDE |
| 20:52.05 | Bac9 | SuperSox: fluxbox has tabs, pwm had tabs before fluxbox, it was the first to get tabs |
| 20:52.18 | NyteRukh | hello |
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| 20:52.30 | SuperSox | Bac9: humm, don't think i used tabs... explain? |
| 20:52.33 | DireFog | nkuttler: that wouldn't help, everytime a gnome application started, it reset the map to unuseable. very strange thing |
| 20:52.46 | nkuttler | DireFog: uh, that's ugly |
| 20:52.54 | Bac9 | SuperSox: those litle tab thingies on top of windows so you can group several windows into same frame |
| 20:52.57 | madclicker | is there a edonkey client on sarge/ |
| 20:52.57 | valdyn_ | DireFog: why dont you use the gnome keymap applet? |
| 20:52.59 | madclicker | ? |
| 20:53.06 | SuperSox | Bac9: ohhhh right |
| 20:53.13 | SuperSox | that's what they are for :D |
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| 20:53.17 | Bac9 | madclicker: amule |
| 20:53.23 | jjazz | valdyn_: xmodmap is probably easier and more reliable, IMHO |
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| 20:53.33 | DireFog | valdyn_: you mean the thing in gconf or whatever it's called? I did. |
| 20:53.45 | Bac9 | madclicker: actually it might not be in sarge, fetch if from etch |
| 20:53.49 | jjazz | DireFog: I ignored the gnome stuff and just used xmodmap. It worked fine. |
| 20:53.51 | madclicker | Bac9, amule sucks, it keeps crashing |
| 20:53.52 | Shucknet | thanks again for the help guys |
| 20:53.58 | valdyn_ | DireFog: nah, an applet, clicky gui thing, for the gnome panel |
| 20:54.00 | Bac9 | madclicker: donno then |
| 20:54.01 | Shucknet | time for me to make like a baby and head out |
| 20:54.17 | robin_sz | valdyn_: apt-cache search cryptfs == null |
| 20:54.36 | SuperSox | hummmm.... do I want to try and get Sarge running on my ultra sparc tonight or not... |
| 20:54.38 | valdyn_ | robin_sz: yea, well, i was jsut testing dpkg, i dont know much about it. |
| 20:54.51 | jjazz | robin_sz: google 'debian encrypted filesystem' Some stuff will come up, but I don't know anything about how easy/secure/reliable it is. |
| 20:55.04 | SuperSox | or have they kained sparc support in Sarge, I remember reading something about it being dropped |
| 20:55.09 | Aim_Here | !tell Aim_Here about debian encrypted filesystem |
| 20:55.09 | nkuttler | robin_sz: apt-cache search encrypted filesystem? |
| 20:55.18 | DireFog | valdyn_: if you're talking about that controlcenter kind of application, I had that. and jjazz: some part of gnome decided that it'd ignore the modmap settings and force X to use its own, which I found no way to change into something useable. |
| 20:55.19 | Aim_Here | Just a thought |
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| 20:56.16 | NyteRukh | anyone up for helpiin me i installed ip masq but still cant get the second comp on the net...the setup is this dsl-->router--->this debian-->new debian...what ip should i put as the ip of the new debain, and what do i need to do to this debian to get it on the net |
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| 20:56.34 | jjazz | DireFog: Interesting. When I did it, gnome just got out of the way. Gnome is a little inscrutable sometimes. |
| 20:56.40 | DireFog | it was like: staring an X session, keyboard is fine. starting grip, keyboard is broken. running xmodmap: no change. |
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| 20:57.17 | SuperSox | why not just plug the new debian box into the router? :S |
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| 20:57.28 | DireFog | of course, seeing how much diskspace got free by purging gnome did help the decision :-) |
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| 20:57.56 | NyteRukh | not enough cable |
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| 20:58.08 | NyteRukh | err the cable isnt long enough |
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| 20:58.18 | MacNamera | no one an idea? |
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| 20:59.10 | SuperSox | NyteRukh: hummm... been years since I've done something like that, but should just be a case of letting the router assign debian1 an ip then tell debian2 that the gateway is at debian1s ip |
| 20:59.51 | Aim_Here | MacNamera, there is a #hardware channel |
| 21:00.06 | Aim_Here | If it's any good, I know not |
| 21:00.09 | questi | hi.. when i try to run nexuiz game on debian sid i've a problem. http://pastebin.com/376182 can you check url please.. |
| 21:00.13 | NyteRukh | ok i think i got it say the assigned ip is 192.168.0.1 then the gate way ip is that..so whats the second comps ip |
| 21:00.16 | MacNamera | Aim_Here: Oh thanks for your help! I will try it |
| 21:00.39 | NyteRukh | not a hardware prob...network software setup prob |
| 21:01.58 | NyteRukh | keep getting error |
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| 21:02.48 | questi | anyone help me please ? |
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| 21:03.22 | pusling | is there a simple command to rename a homebuilt debian package ? |
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| 21:03.38 | oding | hi, how can i close my x? |
| 21:03.49 | nkuttler | oding: exit your window manager? |
| 21:03.58 | oding | I'm new, how? |
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| 21:04.01 | nvz | !find games/nexuiz$ |
| 21:04.08 | valdyn_ | NyteRukh: youre trying to run a glx application while your system obviously does not support glx |
| 21:04.14 | nkuttler | oding: depends on your wm... ctrl+alt+backspace to kill x |
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| 21:04.17 | simonrvn | take an eraser and erase it. your x will be gone |
| 21:04.22 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'games/nexuiz' returned no results. |
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| 21:04.34 | DireFog | questi: do you have a line like 'Load "glx"' in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 21:04.41 | questi | DireFog: yes |
| 21:04.43 | oding | nkuttler, if i ctrl alt backspace it kills x, but it restarts immediately to the login screen |
| 21:04.44 | nvz | !find bin/nexuiz$ |
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| 21:04.55 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/nexuiz' returned no results. |
| 21:04.55 | nkuttler | oding: it's supposed to do that |
| 21:05.04 | NyteRukh | glx? |
| 21:05.07 | nkuttler | oding: you probably want to /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 21:05.28 | nvz | questi: there doesnt seem to be anything called "nexuiz" you are going to have to make sense to get help |
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| 21:06.17 | questi | nvz: but my problem is not nexuiz packages.. my problem is glx support |
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| 21:06.51 | DireFog | questi: does "grep -i GLX /var/log/XFree86.0.log" show any errors or warnings? if not, look for lines starting with (EE) or (WW)... |
| 21:06.52 | swatikiss | how can i specify my dns server for my network settings? |
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| 21:06.55 | nvz | questi: as far as I am concerned there is no nexuiz, and you have no problem. |
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| 21:07.15 | valdyn_ | swatikiss: dpkg -l resolvconf |
| 21:07.21 | nvz | questi: you've not clued anyone in on wtf you are talking about as of yet. |
| 21:07.21 | jjazz | nvz: I think nexuiz is an ancient egyptomexican word for 'spoon'. |
| 21:07.23 | DireFog | nvz: there's a glxinfo output in that pastebin entry, which also shows the missing glx... that better? |
| 21:07.34 | questi | DireFog: http://pastebin.com/376208 |
| 21:07.45 | streuner | hm |
| 21:08.00 | nvz | DireFog: wtf are you talking about now? |
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| 21:08.22 | DireFog | nvz: did you look at the pastebin URL? |
| 21:08.22 | swatikiss | valdyn_, is resolvconf a package that i can specify the dns with? |
| 21:08.28 | nvz | oh I get it, I am playing that new online game... confuse nvz |
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| 21:08.42 | DireFog | anyway, that looks like a problem with nvidia drivers, which means that I'm out. |
| 21:08.44 | jjazz | !confuse nvz |
| 21:08.44 | oding | hi, I am trying to install nvidia drivers, i run them, but the installation fails, can somebody help me plz? |
| 21:08.44 | gan|y|med | hallo |
| 21:08.46 | dpkg | No, how is our pants yesterday, nvz? shirts of the republic of liechtenstein with extra herring |
| 21:08.52 | gan|y|med | how do i activate ip forwarding in iptables? |
| 21:08.56 | valdyn_ | swatikiss: no, but *how* you set your dns depends on you having installed that package or not. |
| 21:09.09 | questi | oding: :) |
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| 21:09.10 | swatikiss | valdyn_, i do not have it installed... |
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| 21:09.34 | valdyn_ | swatikiss: then edit /etc/resolv.conf ( man resolv.conf for docs ) |
| 21:09.36 | oding | questi, can you help me? |
| 21:09.42 | seb- | how give root perms to run X apps on debian? |
| 21:09.44 | nvz | oding: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 21:09.52 | seb- | Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 21:09.59 | abrotman | !sux |
| 21:09.59 | dpkg | [sux] su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 21:10.00 | nvz | seb-: use sudo |
| 21:10.00 | nkuttler | seb-: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 21:10.02 | questi | oding: i've a problem like you about nvidia driver :s |
| 21:10.05 | valdyn_ | seb-: use 'sux' or 'sudo' |
| 21:10.22 | j4cbo | is it possible to get a dual-boot system, installing windows after linux? |
| 21:10.23 | jjazz | seb-: there are people who think running x apps as root is a bad idea |
| 21:10.28 | stew | seb-: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 21:10.31 | seb- | nkuttler: what's that magic cookie thingee? |
| 21:10.38 | valdyn_ | questi: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 21:10.50 | seb- | jjazz: xcdroast insists on it but yes i would agree with that |
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| 21:11.03 | swatikiss | Valandil, k, thanks |
| 21:11.06 | gan|y|med | j4cbo: i wouldn't recommend that at all... |
| 21:11.07 | nvz | j4cbo: its possible though its not at all easy. most versions of windows wont install when they see a foreign partition |
| 21:11.17 | valdyn_ | j4cbo: yes, but you need some bootdisk to get back to linux and reinstall its bootmanager |
| 21:11.21 | jjazz | seb-: can you run it under sudo from within your normal user account? |
| 21:12.03 | seb- | jjazz: must i first set up sudo for my app? |
| 21:12.06 | gan|y|med | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.18 | valdyn_ | !rtfm |
| 21:12.18 | dpkg | it has been said that rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 21:12.21 | jjazz | seb-: You need to set up sudo for your user. man sudoers |
| 21:12.22 | valdyn_ | seb-: ^^^ |
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| 21:12.26 | nvz | hello, j4cbo is gone! |
| 21:12.40 | nvz | was gone before _I_ responded |
| 21:12.40 | elkdid | |vi |
| 21:12.48 | NyteRukh | mm |
| 21:12.54 | dli | seb- : sux is the easiest |
| 21:13.08 | gan|y|med | how do i activate ip forwarding in iptables? |
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| 21:13.21 | gan|y|med | or is it enough to just disable it? |
| 21:13.22 | valdyn_ | !iptables |
| 21:13.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.samba.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 21:13.30 | simonrvn | with sysctl or echo |
| 21:13.47 | simonrvn | iptables doesn't actually activate it |
| 21:13.47 | EdgEy | !foo |
| 21:13.47 | tuv | how do i unlock (esdctl unlock) esd permenantly? |
| 21:13.48 | dpkg | i guess foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/foo.html> and <bar> |
| 21:13.52 | EdgEy | lol |
| 21:13.59 | gan|y|med | well, i did that... it is an efficiency prob, i would say... |
| 21:14.04 | seb- | gan|y|med: echo $FORWARD > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 21:14.12 | stew | gan|y|med: edit /etc/network/options ; then restart networking |
| 21:14.13 | nvz | ~lol |
| 21:14.15 | apt | somebody said lol was stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 21:14.21 | seb- | gan|y|med: where $FORWARD is 0 or 1 |
| 21:14.21 | jjazz | metasyntactic... my new favorite word |
| 21:15.10 | gan|y|med | i have done that. network is set up properly, too. but i cannot use this pc as a gateway. a routing problem? |
| 21:15.47 | seb- | gan|y|med: i'd need to know about your error than ' i cannot use this pc ' to diagnose it |
| 21:15.48 | valdyn_ | gan|y|med: you probably dont want just forwarding, unless each of your clients has its own internet ip address |
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| 21:16.23 | simonrvn | set up SNAT / MASQ properly? your default routes are set properly? not blocking stuff you want to allow? |
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| 21:16.33 | seb- | gan|y|med: are you trying to do NAT? |
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| 21:16.54 | Seb | what tool do I use if I wanna search packages with a query involving that new Tag: attribute ? |
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| 21:17.13 | valdyn_ | seb-: apt-cache search debtag |
| 21:17.23 | valdyn_ | Seb: ^^^ |
| 21:17.26 | simonrvn | debtags innit? |
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| 21:18.00 | r3tex | how do i knowwhat runtime to add sshd and things like this to? |
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| 21:18.08 | r3tex | like if i don't want sshd to start automatically |
| 21:18.14 | r3tex | and then after a week i change my mind |
| 21:18.15 | Seb | r3tex: man update-rc.d |
| 21:18.36 | r3tex | kay |
| 21:18.43 | stew | relaxed: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 21:18.51 | oding | Can anyone help me to get my nvidia drivers installed? |
| 21:18.57 | stew | err r3tex ^^^ |
| 21:19.00 | valdyn_ | r3tex: update-rc.d does the wrong thing each time the package gets updated =/ |
| 21:19.03 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:19.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 21:19.16 | r3tex | stew: what about all other packages like apache? |
| 21:19.19 | gan|y|med | seb: yep. pc A is in the net, public ip. number B is behind the A = gateway, DNS is the provider... the usual stuff. it worked the other way around |
| 21:19.26 | r3tex | stew: do they gave dpkg-reconfigure things? |
| 21:19.27 | tuv | if i want two users to use esd, i use esdctl unlock. how do i make it unlocked by default? |
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| 21:19.31 | stew | r3tex: some do, apache doens't |
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| 21:19.39 | Seb | valdyn_, simonrvn: hrm I'm confused... I guess I want do do apt-cache search calendar, but restrict it on the debtags "interface::commandline"... |
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| 21:19.42 | myren | my system isnt waking up from yesterday. all i had was an aterm and openbox open, but i tried running kate after letting it sit overnight and its just sitting their doing hard drive access. i gave it 30 minutes but its still just accessing the hard drive. |
| 21:19.43 | Seb | gan|y|med: not me |
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| 21:19.54 | myren | what can i do? how do i at least get a diagnosis on whats going wrong? |
| 21:20.02 | r3tex | stew: i handle them with update-rc.d then? |
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| 21:20.15 | valdyn_ | Seb: i see, idont know then, debtags isnt integrated yet nor are all packages even tagged |
| 21:20.17 | stew | r3tex: yeah, update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 21:20.25 | r3tex | stew: also.. =) what is the ati driver called? it's so hard to find these things with apt imo ;P |
| 21:20.33 | jjazz | myren: Open an xterm and run 'top'. See what process is eating all the cpu/mem. |
| 21:20.33 | Seb | valdyn_: i see, so I should probably wait a bit for more integration |
| 21:20.35 | Seb | valdyn_: thx |
| 21:20.41 | myren | No one is eating CPU or mem. |
| 21:20.49 | myren | CPU is at like 40% |
| 21:20.52 | jjazz | myren: It's just drive access, then? |
| 21:21.20 | jjazz | myren: Do you know about lsof? |
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| 21:21.51 | r3tex | jjazz: lsof is kickass |
| 21:21.53 | valdyn_ | myren: what is eating your cpu ? |
| 21:21.54 | myren | i use lsof to see what files are open, but will it show me activity on those files? |
| 21:22.20 | jjazz | r3tex: It takes some getting used to... lots of info. But it's definitely a useful tool. |
| 21:22.27 | simonrvn | valdyn_: the CPU monster |
| 21:22.29 | myren | xorg is 11% -- not unnormal for this slow thing -- opera is 10% and the other misc stuff is ~10% |
| 21:22.59 | gan|y|med | Seb: sry |
| 21:23.02 | myren | is there any way to track what files are the active ones? |
| 21:23.02 | Seb | i cannot for the life of me remember that package name, soe msort of annotable calendar, with a command-line only interface |
| 21:23.03 | stew | r3tex: there are two ati drivers, "ati" and "radeon" |
| 21:23.06 | Seb | gan|y|med: np :) |
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| 21:23.16 | gan|y|med | seb-: yep. pc A is in the net, public ip. number B is behind the A = gateway, DNS is the provider... the usual stuff. it worked the other way around |
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| 21:23.45 | valdyn_ | r3tex: you can use 'ati' ( the driver ), for anything, even for 'radeon' cards that will use the radeon driver |
| 21:24.15 | sandman | How to stop all services runnin in a chroot? |
| 21:24.36 | nvz | sandman: kill the shell |
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| 21:25.03 | scx | N00b Quote: I use top to see the cpu usage, but I have a lot of memory used, how can I see the "top" of memory ? |
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| 21:25.04 | sandman | nvz: What if something is run via this?: dchroot -c /etc/init.d/something start ?? |
| 21:25.30 | nvz | wtf |
| 21:25.35 | myren | theres no way to profile actual file usage? :( :( :'( |
| 21:25.35 | valdyn_ | scx: shift-M in top |
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| 21:25.46 | J_P | hey all, in debian I install mysql via APT, so where --with-mysql identifies the root directory where you have installed MySQL ? what dir ? |
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| 21:25.49 | nvz | why is everyone asking questions then leaving today? |
| 21:26.16 | scx | ooohhh, I see... tnkz |
| 21:26.18 | streuner | nvz: don't ask questions! |
| 21:26.21 | valdyn_ | myren: can you try to explain your problem differently? that waking up metaphor of yours didnt quite make this clear.. |
| 21:26.22 | streuner | :-) |
| 21:26.37 | J_P | anyone can help me ? |
| 21:26.40 | scx | I just leave when sleep |
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| 21:26.51 | nvz | I should have parted after I said that |
| 21:27.02 | streuner | heh |
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| 21:28.25 | myren | valdyn_: it just happened after leaving the system completely idle overnight, thats alli meant by that |
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| 21:28.49 | myren | its like it paged everything to swap and somehow ran out of swap when tryingto page it back in |
| 21:28.57 | myren | not that that makes any sense at all, i know, but tahts what it feels like |
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| 21:29.17 | valdyn_ | myren: reboot, this is a bug in your kernel afaict |
| 21:29.26 | J_P | In debian I install mysql via APT, so where --with-mysql identifies the root directory where you have installed MySQL ? what dir ? |
| 21:30.02 | J_P | in /usr/what ? |
| 21:30.14 | valdyn_ | myren: probably instal a different / newer kernel. |
| 21:30.15 | myren | certainly feels it. i really wish i could debug WTF its doing. :/ |
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| 21:30.31 | questi | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed |
| 21:30.37 | questi | umm what should i do ? |
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| 21:30.53 | questi | i installed xserver-xorg but i've this error already |
| 21:30.53 | fken | oh god |
| 21:31.32 | valdyn_ | myren: search your /var/log/syslog for 'oom' if apps were getting killed for lack of memory. That would probably be that known bug then ( dont ask me for details .. ) |
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| 21:31.38 | fken | apt-get install reinstall xserver-xfree86 maybe |
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| 21:31.53 | fken | * --reinstall |
| 21:32.09 | nvz | he's in sid and probably doesnt have that option |
| 21:32.13 | fken | and moreover if there is a problem with xorg too i dont think it would help |
| 21:32.20 | nkuttler | J_P: sounds like you want to install some libmysql-dev. apt-cache search mysql dev |
| 21:32.22 | nvz | !info xserver-xfree86 |
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| 21:32.41 | nkuttler | J_P: dpkg -L package to see a package's files |
| 21:32.46 | nvz | !+info xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:32.48 | dpkg | Package 'xserver-xfree86' does not exist. |
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| 21:35.00 | CrippsFX | can anyone help me, or point me to the right document, to install the NVidia drivers under debian? |
| 21:35.11 | nvz | CrippsFX: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 21:35.19 | CrippsFX | kk. thnx |
| 21:36.09 | nvz | we don't charge by the letter |
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| 21:36.42 | CrippsFX | nvz, woah, dpkg's nvidia msg is messed up. somone seriously messed up syntactically ;) |
| 21:36.47 | nvz | and even if we did an X would cost more than an A a K and an S |
| 21:37.02 | CrippsFX | lol. |
| 21:37.09 | nvz | !nvidia |
| 21:37.09 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 21:37.17 | seb- | why debian still on 2.4 kernel and XFree86? |
| 21:37.17 | CrippsFX | sorry, just typing the easy way. |
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| 21:37.27 | seb- | when is 2.6 kernel expected? |
| 21:37.50 | valdyn_ | seb-: debian supports and supplies both |
| 21:37.50 | r_marvin | seb-: read the help when booting |
| 21:37.54 | r3tex | how do i change that disclaimer message that is displayed on login? |
| 21:37.55 | nvz | CrippsFX: yeah someone fucked with the factoid a little, but whats the problem? |
| 21:37.56 | stew | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 stable |
| 21:37.59 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 13722 kB, Installed size: 41240 kB |
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| 21:38.02 | J_P | nkuttler: thank you! |
| 21:38.07 | thingfish | you guys, it's easy, once, of course, you know what to install. |
| 21:38.10 | seb- | r_marvin: it default to 2.4? |
| 21:38.15 | r_marvin | yes, so? |
| 21:38.19 | r3tex | !info ati |
| 21:38.23 | r3tex | =/ |
| 21:38.32 | CrippsFX | nvz, it just took me a minute to decipher where the screwing up ended, and the information started ;) |
| 21:38.32 | seb- | valdyn, r_marvin: how install a nice shiny 2.6 kernel edition then? |
| 21:38.36 | valdyn_ | !ati drivers |
| 21:38.37 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 21:38.48 | r_marvin | seb- read what you have on screen |
| 21:38.51 | oding | Can anyone help me to get my nvidia drivers installed? |
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| 21:38.57 | r_marvin | then push F1, F2, F3, F$ |
| 21:39.01 | scx | so... if I can controlate the cpu usage with: "nice" and "renice", what do I use to moderate memory ? |
| 21:39.01 | valdyn_ | seb-: best to choose it when installing debian already, so hit F1 when booting the installer and read |
| 21:39.02 | r_marvin | and read more |
| 21:39.08 | seb- | r_marvin: X.org an option too in place of XFree86? |
| 21:39.10 | nvz | CrippsFX: theres nothing wrong with it. says not to use nvidia.com drivers and then tells you where to get help |
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| 21:39.16 | Seb | seb-: and pick a different nick too :. |
| 21:39.17 | Seb | :> |
| 21:39.25 | r_marvin | seb-: not in stable |
| 21:39.26 | thingfish | CrippsFX: you'll need non-free in your sources.list. |
| 21:39.34 | thingfish | CrippsFX: it's easy - I'll help. |
| 21:39.36 | seb- | r_marvin: awwww |
| 21:39.40 | r3tex | valdyn_: do you know how i remove that disclaimer message you get when you login? |
| 21:39.42 | valdyn_ | seb-: xorg has about no advantage for most people, why would you need it? |
| 21:39.57 | nvz | dpkg, sns syndrome |
| 21:39.57 | dpkg | it has been said that sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 21:39.57 | seb- | valdyn_: shorter name :) and GPL compatible |
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| 21:40.02 | CrippsFX | thingfish, thank ya, I was having trouble with that earlier today ... I was looking at this very same document ;) |
| 21:40.03 | r_marvin | valdyn_: because it's cool and sh!t |
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| 21:40.11 | valdyn_ | r3tex: cat /etc/motd and read ) |
| 21:40.40 | r3tex | valdyn_ oki doki |
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| 21:40.50 | CrippsFX | thingfish, awesome, thnx. I'll start by asking for the line to add to my sources.list for non-free |
| 21:40.58 | michaelooo | i have new system on Debian Sid .. when i try to do apt-get install gnome, the complains about dependencies ... how could resolv that ? |
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| 21:41.04 | oding | Can anyone give me some personall help to install my nvidia drivers. . ? |
| 21:41.14 | seb- | not if you don't ask a question :) |
| 21:41.15 | nkuttler | michaelooo: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 21:41.19 | valdyn_ | oding: what's hard about cut and paste ? |
| 21:41.32 | thingfish | CrippsFX: just add it after where you see main and contrib, on the same line. |
| 21:41.33 | valdyn_ | !tell oding -about nvidia one-liner |
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| 21:41.40 | scx | I have this mlnet using 60% of my memory and it's anoying |
| 21:41.45 | oding | valdyn_, I'm to dumb to understand it :) |
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| 21:41.54 | JustinHH | hello |
| 21:41.56 | thingfish | CrippsFX: this might help too: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 21:41.57 | valdyn_ | oding: you dont need to understand it completely |
| 21:42.08 | nipra | i got following error while installing helix player using "apt-get install helix-player" : |
| 21:42.13 | nipra | ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/nphelix.xpt' to`/usr/lib/helix/player/mozilla/nphelix.xpt': No such file or directory |
| 21:42.31 | nkuttler | nipra: is that sarge? |
| 21:42.31 | valdyn_ | scx: mlnet is from mldonkey i think, it sucks up memory and cpu, not surprisig i guess |
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| 21:42.38 | JustinHH | during a configure an error acuerd: ### Can not find the X libraries. |
| 21:42.54 | oding | valdyn_, idia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:42.54 | oding | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 21:42.54 | JustinHH | what are thes x libraryes? |
| 21:42.58 | CrippsFX | thingfish, yeah, I've got that site up right now, I was looking at it earlier today too, but I wasn't able to find very many of the packages I needed using apt |
| 21:43.09 | Zomb | oding: do so |
| 21:43.14 | thingfish | CrippsFX: aren't you on sid? or etch? |
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| 21:43.45 | JustinHH | i am a nuw linux user si i need some help pls... |
| 21:43.47 | CrippsFX | thingfish, etch |
| 21:43.53 | nkuttler | !wayc JustinHH |
| 21:43.53 | oding | ow :) |
| 21:43.54 | dpkg | JustinHH: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 21:44.00 | thingfish | ok |
| 21:44.05 | valdyn_ | oding: 1 by 1: echo nvidia >> /etc/modules adds 'nvidia' to /etc/modules, and so to the drivers that are automatically loaded when booting, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 lets you reconfigure your X, so pick 'nvidia' as driver when doing that |
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| 21:44.08 | thingfish | CrippsFX: did you add non-free? |
| 21:44.10 | scx | Yes mlnet in mldonkey... I can make it not to suck cpu with "renice 20" but how do I reduce it's % of memory ? |
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| 21:44.18 | kdu | tem alguem do brasil? |
| 21:44.23 | thingfish | !br |
| 21:44.23 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:44.32 | JustinHH | can we speak dpkg on private pls? |
| 21:44.35 | nkuttler | scx: there has to be some config file somewhere, find it and read it |
| 21:44.42 | CrippsFX | thingfish, sorry,I'm finding your instructions for adding non-free a bit vague :| |
| 21:44.47 | nkuttler | JustinHH: ask in the channel |
| 21:44.55 | oding | valdyn_, can you give me the contrib and non free thing that I have to put into my sourcelist? |
| 21:45.02 | kdu | tem? |
| 21:45.20 | nkuttler | oding: just add contrib non-free behind main |
| 21:45.22 | nipra | nkuttler: yeah i have sarge 3.1 |
| 21:45.23 | thingfish | thusly, CrippsFX: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 21:45.23 | scx | somewhere.... yes I know... I just have to look for about thousansd of files... |
| 21:45.33 | valdyn_ | scx: I suppose reducing the supported protocols does some improvement there, but filesharing tools are bound to use alot of memory , no way around that, but not sharing large ( amount of ) files |
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| 21:45.38 | nkuttler | nipra: check bugs.debian.org if it's a known issue |
| 21:45.39 | kdu | brasil tem alguem? |
| 21:45.47 | nkuttler | !pt |
| 21:45.48 | CrippsFX | thingfish, ach so. danke. |
| 21:45.48 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:45.50 | oding | nkuttler, behind main .. doesn't it matter behind which line? |
| 21:45.52 | nipra | nkuttler: ok |
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| 21:46.03 | Kachingo | Hola |
| 21:46.05 | JustinHH | ok |
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| 21:46.14 | valdyn_ | !non-free sources |
| 21:46.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 21:46.19 | thingfish | CrippsFX: next, apt-get update. |
| 21:46.24 | nkuttler | oding: hm, it should not |
| 21:46.28 | valdyn_ | oding: read ^^^ |
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| 21:46.43 | JustinHH | can somebody explain what is an upt get and what does it do |
| 21:46.44 | CrippsFX | thingfish, should I be using the testing sources though, since I'm running etch? |
| 21:46.44 | scx | <valdyn_> ok. I see as the only way out: share few files at time... tnkz |
| 21:46.51 | sandman | How to make a PowerPC (G3 cpu) boot from CD-ROM? |
| 21:46.54 | sandman | I want to install Debian on it |
| 21:46.55 | thingfish | CrippsFX: most certainly. |
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| 21:46.58 | CrippsFX | kk. |
| 21:46.59 | JustinHH | and what does it do |
| 21:47.02 | nvz | JustinHH: man apt-get |
| 21:47.02 | nkuttler | JustinHH: man apt-get, apt-get install foo to install package foo |
| 21:47.03 | JustinHH | i am using ubuntu |
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| 21:47.11 | nkuttler | JustinHH: #ubuntu then |
| 21:47.14 | nvz | JustinHH: goto #ubuntu |
| 21:47.28 | JustinHH | ok |
| 21:47.29 | JustinHH | thx |
| 21:47.40 | valdyn_ | scx: skip the < > around my name please, confuses nick higlighting |
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| 21:48.00 | nkuttler | how nice, he didn't argue :) |
| 21:48.04 | Kachingo | Does anyone have an idea why my max screen resolution is 640x480? |
| 21:48.08 | scx | valdyn_ : ok |
| 21:48.14 | sandman | Kachingo: Because your X isn't configured proper |
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| 21:48.28 | nvz | nkuttler: was obviously too stupid for that |
| 21:48.39 | nkuttler | nvz: heh |
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| 21:48.43 | kdu | como entro em salas em portugues? |
| 21:48.44 | jbroome | jesus hates you. |
| 21:48.49 | nvz | !br |
| 21:48.49 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:48.57 | oding | If i open something with vim, how do i save it? |
| 21:49.02 | jjazz | oding: :w |
| 21:49.03 | Kachingo | Hmmm. I'll try run the configuration again. But I'm sure i made it bigger |
| 21:49.13 | valdyn_ | oding: <Esc>:x |
| 21:49.30 | valdyn_ | oding: <Esc>:w ( ops, the x will exit and save ) |
| 21:49.32 | thingfish | CrippsFX: after you apt-get update, do apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-source and kernel headers matching your desired kernel. btw you'll get deps, be sure and install them too. |
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| 21:50.39 | SexyKen | apt-search muahhaha |
| 21:50.40 | thingfish | CrippsFX: and I think in order for this to work, if you're running 2.6.12, you'll need gcc 4. |
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| 21:50.47 | SexyKen | apt-cache search mauhhahha |
| 21:50.50 | CrippsFX | thingfish, Alright. heh, I duplicated my source by mistake, fixed it, and I'm apt-get update now. |
| 21:50.53 | helker | hi |
| 21:50.59 | thingfish | ok |
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| 21:51.06 | CrippsFX | thingfish, alright. that may require a restart then, won't it? |
| 21:51.09 | SexyKen | •apt• Muahah |
| 21:51.14 | asg | SexyKen: knock it off |
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| 21:51.24 | SexyKen | asg Oh yes, definately. |
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| 21:51.33 | thingfish | CrippsFX: do you have your linux-source-2.6.12? |
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| 21:51.46 | thingfish | I'm not clear if you need that; I always have it, so not sure. |
| 21:52.00 | Kachingo | How do u exit KDE back to the command line? |
| 21:52.00 | jjazz | CrippsFX: When I have used module-assistant, I have not needed to restart, but I've not done specifically what you're attempting. |
| 21:52.04 | valdyn_ | thingfish: no, he needs the headers, *not* the source |
| 21:52.13 | jjazz | Kachingo: /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
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| 21:52.16 | nkuttler | Kachingo: you don't need to exit kde to do that |
| 21:52.18 | thingfish | valdyn_: thanks for confirming that. |
| 21:52.26 | thingfish | that's what I had been thinking. |
| 21:52.27 | CrippsFX | thingfish, no, I don't yet, but I can use apt to get that too. |
| 21:52.27 | SexyKen | Does the bot search packages or no |
| 21:52.28 | oding | valdyn_, what exactly do i have to do, cuz if i 'w' it just types a "w" |
| 21:52.29 | valdyn_ | thingfish: source could be used but had to be configured first ( = more work ) |
| 21:52.37 | nkuttler | SexyKen: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:52.38 | thingfish | CrippsFX: you don't need it, just the headers. |
| 21:52.42 | CrippsFX | kk. |
| 21:52.45 | valdyn_ | oding: you type <Esc>:w |
| 21:52.50 | valdyn_ | oding: you type <Esc>:w<enter> |
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| 21:53.25 | Kachingo | nkuttler: its not letting me do dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:53.32 | valdyn_ | oding: why dont you just use your favourite editor though? |
| 21:53.39 | nkuttler | Kachingo: reconfigure what? |
| 21:53.49 | nkuttler | Kachingo: and why not? |
| 21:53.52 | Kachingo | nkuttler: X |
| 21:53.54 | jjazz | valdyn_: Everybody has to start learning vi eventually ;) |
| 21:54.00 | nkuttler | oh, really? |
| 21:54.03 | thingfish | CrippsFX: have you edited xorg.conf by hand? |
| 21:54.08 | oding | valdyn_, and what's my favourite editor? :) |
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| 21:54.14 | aparrish | hey all |
| 21:54.16 | nkuttler | Kachingo: why not, what error do you get? |
| 21:54.21 | jjazz | valdyn_: It's vim, of course! |
| 21:54.24 | valdyn_ | oding: oh nm, its vi then |
| 21:54.29 | Kachingo | nkuttler: Says dpkg-reconfigure is not a command or somethign |
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| 21:54.40 | nkuttler | !tell Kachingo about errors |
| 21:54.50 | valdyn_ | !vi |
| 21:54.50 | dpkg | [vi] said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
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| 21:54.56 | aparrish | I am trying to execute a command to start a appserver from the command prompt that launches a new terminal - does anyone know what the flag is to change the base directory to say /home/somewhere before executing the --exec command |
| 21:55.12 | valdyn_ | oding: consider reading some of what dpkg said, vi is THE editor ) |
| 21:55.20 | oding | k :) |
| 21:55.24 | oding | anyway |
| 21:55.25 | oding | I did |
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| 21:55.29 | oding | esc , w |
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| 21:55.38 | oding | so if i close it now, it's saved? :x |
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| 21:55.50 | Kachingo | nkuttler: it sez dpkg-reconfigure: Command not found |
| 21:55.53 | valdyn_ | oding: escape followed by ':' followed by <enter> |
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| 21:55.59 | jjazz | oding: :q quits. :x saves and quites (as does :wq) |
| 21:56.03 | valdyn_ | oding: :q is quit :x is save and quit |
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| 21:56.06 | nkuttler | Kachingo: try /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 21:56.25 | Kachingo | nkuttler: Mkay. |
| 21:56.35 | CrippsFX | thingfish, I have edited xorg.conf by hand in fedora, but not in debian. |
| 21:56.42 | thingfish | CrippsFX: substitute xorg.conf as appropriate in what dpkg told you. |
| 21:56.45 | thingfish | excellent |
| 21:56.48 | questi | hi. i reconfigured xserver-xorg and X window don't open now :s after some notices i see only black screen |
| 21:57.01 | thingfish | CrippsFX: have you installed everything yet? |
| 21:57.07 | questi | i looked xorg log file but there isn't any error.. |
| 21:57.15 | gan|y|med | ciao |
| 21:57.18 | valdyn_ | questi: read the log, there has to be an error |
| 21:57.21 | citral | questi: doubtful |
| 21:57.35 | streuner | questi: what videocard do you have? |
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| 21:57.38 | CrippsFX | thingfish, yeah, I just installed everything, now I gotta follow dpkg's instructions |
| 21:57.38 | valdyn_ | questi: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:57.45 | questi | streuner: nvidia fx5200 |
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| 21:58.07 | oding | valdyn_, I've put contrib non-free behind it but it still errors |
| 21:58.15 | Kachingo | nkuttler: Dammit, I think its because I'm not in the root account. It said I couldn't log in to the root when i tried |
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| 21:58.29 | oding | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.29 | oding | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.29 | oding | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.31 | nkuttler | Kachingo: use su |
| 21:58.31 | oding | ow |
| 21:58.32 | oding | sorry :s |
| 21:58.35 | thingfish | CrippsFX: that's ok, then, I hope it goes well. |
| 21:58.36 | valdyn_ | oding: it matters alot what the error is, so paste it here if its one line, '/msg dpkg paste' if its several |
| 21:58.42 | Kachingo | nkuttler: ? |
| 21:58.46 | xzu | dudes, i run sarge on my laptop, but want to install firefox 1.0.7... is there a nice way to do that (downloading and doing dpkg -i mozilla-firefox_1.0.7-1_i386.deb gives a lot of dependency warnings). what is the neatest way to do this? |
| 21:58.49 | streuner | !tell questi about nvidia one liner |
| 21:58.53 | nkuttler | Kachingo: type "su" in a terminal |
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| 21:59.03 | xzu | just say fuck it and go for testing? |
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| 21:59.05 | Kachingo | nkuttler: ok |
| 21:59.06 | valdyn_ | oding: run 'apt-get update' first |
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| 21:59.12 | questi | valdyn_: i can't use mouse now but there isn't any error |
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| 21:59.27 | jjazz | xzu: It needs the deps, so either you install those or go full on for testing. |
| 21:59.38 | citral | I'm very disapointed with the kernel irq assignment, it's just weird. For one time and only one, I'll give a point to windows(tm) |
| 21:59.43 | omar | how do i add a script to startup ? |
| 21:59.45 | CrippsFX | thingfish, and then it's all up to the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to set up my nvidia card from there? |
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| 21:59.51 | nkuttler | omar: man update-rc.d |
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| 22:00.01 | xzu | jjazz: lots of libs, i guess testing will be cleaner |
| 22:00.04 | jjazz | xzu: If you want to just use testing for firefox and its deps, you should google debian pinning |
| 22:00.07 | thingfish | CrippsFX: what have you done so far beyond install all that? |
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| 22:00.13 | xzu | jjazz: ah cheers |
| 22:00.16 | jjazz | xzu: or 'debian apt pinning' |
| 22:00.25 | xzu | cool, pinning that app will fix deps too? sweet |
| 22:00.32 | xzu | thanks jjazz |
| 22:00.36 | CrippsFX | I just installed that and ran dpkg-reconfigure <stuff> |
| 22:00.40 | jjazz | xzu: Yes. Some people would recommend against mixing stable and testing, btw. |
| 22:00.41 | oding | valdyn_, It was setting up and i maximised the window and it's gone .. what to do? |
| 22:00.42 | omar | nkuttler, ty |
| 22:00.50 | thingfish | CrippsFX: you haven't built a kernel module yet. |
| 22:00.56 | xzu | jjazz: its just a laptop |
| 22:00.57 | stew | xzu: etch's firefox is not likely to run on sarge becuase its c++ |
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| 22:01.01 | valdyn_ | questi: if X doesnt find a mouse it doesnt start ( by default ), if your problem is getting a black screen, what has that to do with your mouse? |
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| 22:01.14 | CrippsFX | thingfish, well ... I'm still in the middle of configuring that ..... it gives me "nvidia" as one of the options (as opposed to "nv") |
| 22:01.14 | stew | xzu: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:01.14 | nvz | I am debating if I should try not to unplug this box when cleaning.. last time I had to turn it off to replace the hd was like almost 2 weeks ago.. I got a decent uptime going :P |
| 22:01.15 | valdyn_ | oding: what is gone? |
| 22:01.16 | xzu | stew: ai.. i noticed libstdc |
| 22:01.21 | oding | the setup screen |
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| 22:01.24 | oding | it's just console again |
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| 22:01.32 | xzu | stew: will do that |
| 22:01.34 | valdyn_ | oding: start that thing again |
| 22:01.38 | thingfish | ok, CrippsFX, you must've done more than you said. carry on. |
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| 22:01.45 | CrippsFX | :) |
| 22:01.51 | stew | xzu: i'm not even sure that etch's firefox is newer than sarges, etch's isn't 1.0.7 |
| 22:01.53 | Kachingo | nkuttler: hah, I hadn't selected any resolutions :P I thought I had to select my prefered one from the list, not tick which ones to enable |
| 22:02.03 | oding | oke |
| 22:02.04 | xzu | ai, its unstable |
| 22:02.15 | oding | I guess the 'big command' is done .. |
| 22:02.16 | oding | ? |
| 22:02.20 | questi | valdyn_: i can't see mouse pointer on black screen.. and i can't use mouse on console now.. |
| 22:02.44 | valdyn_ | xzu: sarge's firefox is basically 1.0.6 or higher, BUT sarge cannot change version numbers so its still called 1.0.4 |
| 22:03.05 | CrippsFX | thingfish, and from there, just restart my xserver to see if it works? |
| 22:03.09 | thingfish | yep |
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| 22:03.21 | valdyn_ | questi: gpm and X mouse often dont interact well, you might want to try usind /dev/gpmdata as you mouse device |
| 22:03.23 | CrippsFX | awesome ... be back in a few minutes then :) |
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| 22:03.27 | thingfish | ok |
| 22:03.31 | Kachingo | nkuttler: What is meant to happen when I select "logout" in the start menu thing, coz all i get is a black screen with a cursor frozen in the middle |
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| 22:03.54 | oding | valdyn_, I did the 'big command' about nvidia had a setup screen didn't have to do anything. So I guess it's done? What now? |
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| 22:04.03 | omega4728 | hi - i have a slight problem using bittorrent under debian - error is btdownloadheadless.py: command not found - I'm quite new to linux :-| |
| 22:04.08 | valdyn_ | oding: what 'big command' ? |
| 22:04.19 | oding | about the nvidia drivers install |
| 22:04.20 | nkuttler | Kachingo: usually, your dm should show up again |
| 22:04.23 | r_marvin | omega4728: apt-get install bittorrent |
| 22:04.26 | valdyn_ | oding: dont assume we can mindread ;) |
| 22:04.29 | omega4728 | already did |
| 22:04.31 | oding | I know |
| 22:04.35 | nkuttler | Kachingo: ctrl-alt-backspace to kill x |
| 22:04.39 | omega4728 | that worked fine sofar |
| 22:04.45 | jdhutchin1 | omega4728, it's just btdownloadheadless, no .py |
| 22:05.05 | omega4728 | ah sweet thanks! |
| 22:05.13 | oding | valdyn_, the command pdkg tells about nvidia .. the real large one :D |
| 22:05.19 | oding | apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 22:05.31 | asg | oding: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 22:05.50 | valdyn_ | oding: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 should give you 'something to do', the other commands not. |
| 22:05.57 | citral | omega4728: or type bt <TAB> <TAB> and you'll see what's available |
| 22:06.12 | valdyn_ | oding: one of these might have failed, run them 1 by 1 |
| 22:06.23 | omega4728 | citral: thx already worked |
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| 22:06.32 | omega4728 | will try to run it now to see if it really works :P |
| 22:06.43 | jjazz | How do I find out if I have an onboard wireless nic? |
| 22:06.56 | citral | jjazz: try lspci -v |
| 22:06.57 | valdyn_ | jjazz: run lspci |
| 22:06.58 | stew | jjazz: lspci ; lsusb |
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| 22:07.57 | jjazz | Yeah, I did that, and don't see one. I just got this laptop back from warranty servive. They replaced the mobo. I think they gypped me out of a wireless nic! |
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| 22:09.16 | oding | valdyn_, Please enter the video card's bus identifier. |
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| 22:09.24 | oding | what do I HAve to put there? |
| 22:09.29 | CrippsFX | thingfish, okay, so I restarted my xserver, and it told me that the nvidia module did not exist, even though it appeared there. |
| 22:09.35 | valdyn_ | oding: leave that empty |
| 22:09.38 | CrippsFX | thingfish, so, it looks like I'll have to build it ;) |
| 22:09.41 | citral | apropos pci, is there a way to force a device to use an irq? |
| 22:09.51 | phreak | What's the name of the initrd on the install-cd's (To go with linux26)? |
| 22:09.52 | oding | valdyn_, Enter the amount of memory (in kB) to be used by your video card. |
| 22:09.55 | valdyn_ | citral: your bios |
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| 22:10.02 | phreak | Need to boot the system and write the bootloader on the right device. |
| 22:10.02 | thingfish | CrippsFX: m-a a-i nvidia |
| 22:10.04 | pabloso | Hi all. I need to cut/join multiple mpeg files, apply some fades in/out and other filters, any recommendations? |
| 22:10.11 | oding | valdyn_, Enter the amount of memory (in kB) to be used by your video card. what should I put there? |
| 22:10.17 | valdyn_ | oding: leave empty |
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| 22:10.28 | nkuttler | oding: do you read the descriptions debconf shows you? |
| 22:10.34 | stew | phreak: /dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/cdrom/2.6/initrd.gz |
| 22:10.48 | citral | valdyn_: the thing is, my bios doesn't assign any irq to my pcmcia controller. The kernel does, and wrong. |
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| 22:11.05 | phreak | stew: So just append initrd=<that>, right? |
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| 22:11.24 | valdyn_ | citral: so make it assign one if your bios supports that |
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| 22:11.28 | stew | phreak: i guess. what are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 22:11.36 | CrippsFX | thingfish, anything else before I try dpkg-reconfigure again? |
| 22:11.43 | phreak | stew: Just boot my newly installed system. |
| 22:11.46 | thingfish | nope |
| 22:11.50 | CrippsFX | aiight. |
| 22:11.52 | stew | phreak: oh no then |
| 22:12.03 | demetrius | Anyone running linux on a HP laptop, with a widescreen? |
| 22:12.15 | valdyn_ | citral: what's wrong with what the kernel *seems* to be doing though? |
| 22:12.23 | stew | phreak: it should have installed as /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 22:12.54 | phreak | stew: Okey, I'll try that. |
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| 22:13.09 | stew | phreak: if you are in grub, it has tab completion |
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| 22:13.23 | questi | hi again :( |
| 22:13.29 | questi | i couldn't fix already |
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| 22:13.41 | questi | i can't use mouse already too.. |
| 22:13.44 | phreak | stew: I'm using the install-cd, haven't got anything other then isolinux with the predefined stufff. |
| 22:13.47 | questi | how can i fix mouse on console ? |
| 22:13.53 | Peacemaker | Hi. I got the debian images for ia64 with jigdo and burned them on DVD with nero, but altough I can boot from any other disk, it doesn't boot from the DVD, what can I do? |
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| 22:14.02 | citral | valdyn_: you bet I tried everything with the bios... no way (laptop limited bios settings...) The kernel assigns an irq to the the pcmcia controller, that is already used by the sound card so it will never work. Windows 2000 however, assigns a _free_ irq to the controller. |
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| 22:14.09 | valdyn_ | Peacemaker: what is your cpu? |
| 22:14.17 | questi | i've a basic mouse.. two buttons and pci.. i selected psaux and ps/2 |
| 22:14.24 | Peacemaker | amd64 3200+ |
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| 22:14.36 | oding | valdyn_, I have an logitech mx510 .. what should I choose for mouse port? |
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| 22:14.40 | valdyn_ | citral: you using isa? interrupt sharing is nothing bad really.. |
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| 22:14.41 | CrippsFX | thingfish, aliright, the module loaded, and I got the nvidia splashscreen when my xserver restarted ... but I can't run glxgears ... it tells me: "glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual." |
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| 22:15.06 | valdyn_ | oding: where is it plugged in? |
| 22:15.11 | citral | valdyn_: cardbus aka pci interrupts routing... the driver is yenta_socket |
| 22:15.13 | oding | usb port |
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| 22:16.12 | valdyn_ | citral: i would let it share that interrupt, its probably not the source of error, interrupts being unique per device is from isa times.. |
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| 22:16.19 | oding | valdyn_, in a usb port |
| 22:16.25 | secret_eating | hello all |
| 22:16.31 | [orp | i people i need help |
| 22:16.32 | valdyn_ | !usbmouse |
| 22:16.32 | dpkg | from memory, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
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| 22:16.46 | [orp | some one help me |
| 22:16.48 | nkuttler | !tell [orp about ask |
| 22:16.49 | valdyn_ | oding: /dev/input/mice |
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| 22:17.12 | citral | no matter... It's been months that I'm trying and it will probably never work. Tried everything. It just hangs when I insert a card. Lives again when I remove it. |
| 22:17.13 | [orp | i need to start some services i install on boot |
| 22:17.32 | [orp | how do i |
| 22:17.34 | phreak | Well that worked like shit. God I hate initrd and everything that uses it :[ |
| 22:17.44 | nkuttler | [orp: they should start automatically at boot time |
| 22:17.45 | asg | [orp: man update-rc.d ; pager /etc/init.d/README |
| 22:18.35 | oding | valdyn_, what should I do with /dev/input/mice? |
| 22:18.35 | valdyn_ | oding: you select it |
| 22:18.35 | [orp | ok |
| 22:18.35 | questi | valdyn_: i edited xorg.conf .. should i something to activate it before startx ? |
| 22:18.36 | valdyn_ | questi: nope |
| 22:18.36 | dli | questi, I remember you should "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 22:18.57 | dli | questi, to start x, better use gdm/kdm/xdm |
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| 22:19.27 | questi | dli: yes but i used it many times and i couldn't fix X already.. i'm checking my old xf86config-4 file and transfer infos to xorg.conf |
| 22:19.27 | [orp | i have the services on init.d |
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| 22:19.48 | [orp | i make /etc/init.d/service start |
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| 22:20.05 | [orp | but wen i reboot it dont start auto |
| 22:20.09 | fluor- | bioanarchism: nice nick |
| 22:20.18 | valdyn_ | [orp: man update-rc.d |
| 22:20.23 | nkuttler | [orp: or use rcconf |
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| 22:20.29 | stew | phreak: why didn't the install cd setup the bootloader for you? did you have an error during the install? |
| 22:20.37 | asg | [orp: create a symlink from /etc/rc2.d/S99foo to /etc/init.d/foo or see what I said above. |
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| 22:20.59 | dli | questi, you'd better find out why X fails, and use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:21.39 | CrippsFX | so, uhh ... I just installed the nvidia drivers the debian way, and when my X starts, I get the nvidia splash screen, but when I try to run glxgears or glxinfo, I get errors something among the lines of: "Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual" |
| 22:21.46 | CrippsFX | any ideas? |
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| 22:21.47 | phreak | stew: No, I can't get this PowerEdge 2400 to understand what harddriv is to be booted off. It insists trying the ones on the add-in IDE-controller-card. |
| 22:21.58 | wishkah | I've got a running gnu/linux distribution running and want to install debian on another partition. laptop without cd rom drive. is there a image of the basic installation that I could just add to grub.conf and then apt-get everything else? |
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| 22:22.19 | asg | wishkah: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 22:22.30 | questi | hi again :( it didn't work |
| 22:22.48 | questi | what can i do to use mouse on console ? |
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| 22:23.13 | jjazz | questi: Why would you want to use the mouse at the console? |
| 22:23.17 | asg | !factinfo debootstrap |
| 22:23.17 | dpkg | debootstrap -- last modified at Mon Aug 22 13:19:56 2005 by streuner!i=foobar@p54A5D908.dip.t-dialin.net; it has been requested 19 times, last by CrippsFX, 40s ago. |
| 22:23.38 | questi | jjazz: for copy & paste :s |
| 22:23.38 | Aim_Here | Isn't gpm the doohicky you install for mousing your console? |
| 22:23.44 | CrippsFX | wasn't me ... I swear .... *runs awaY* |
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| 22:23.56 | wishkah | asg: the installed Linux is gentoo |
| 22:23.58 | questi | jjazz: also my xwindow don't work :( |
| 22:23.58 | thingfish | CrippsFX: sorry, wish I could help. I run a couple of things from etch, but otherwise I'm sarge. I had troubles with nvidia and gcc4 and 2.6.12. |
| 22:24.11 | questi | i'm getting only black screen when i startx |
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| 22:24.30 | CrippsFX | thingfish, hmm. would disabling "dri" have anything to do with this trouble? |
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| 22:24.37 | jjazz | questi: AFAIK there's no mouse support at the console. In some terminal windows, yes, but not at the console. |
| 22:24.50 | thingfish | CrippsFX: you needed to have disabled Glcore and dri. |
| 22:25.04 | asg | !dpkg no debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 22:25.04 | dpkg | okay, asg |
| 22:25.10 | valdyn_ | wishkah: download debootstrap, unpack it, maybe it'll run, its just a script i guess |
| 22:25.21 | questi | jjazz: on linux term ? |
| 22:25.25 | asg | wishkah: /msg dpkg debootstrap (someone fucked up the previous factoid) |
| 22:25.33 | valdyn_ | asg: nice! |
| 22:25.33 | CrippsFX | thingfish, ah. I didn't disable glcore. I'll go do that and try again. |
| 22:25.46 | thingfish | ok |
| 22:25.49 | oding | valdyn_, the setup is finished |
| 22:25.50 | Aim_Here | jjazz, questi *cough*gpm*cough* |
| 22:25.59 | oding | what else should I do now? |
| 22:26.03 | valdyn_ | oding: startx |
| 22:26.07 | oding | k :) |
| 22:26.08 | oding | reboot? |
| 22:26.09 | jjazz | Aim_Here: gpm, eh? Never used it. But thanks. |
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| 22:26.55 | asg | valdyn_: whoever changed it should be shot ;) |
| 22:26.57 | questi | there arent kdm and gpm commands on my system :s |
| 22:27.15 | kadigibox | Does anyone know if there is any modem problems on IBM laptops? |
| 22:27.26 | CrippsFX | thingfish, hm ... glcore isn't an option to load :| |
| 22:27.31 | nkuttler | questi: /etc/init.d/kdm etc... |
| 22:27.31 | valdyn_ | kadigibox: that's a winmodem... |
| 22:27.34 | asg | kadigibox: tuxmobile.org should list any issues running your laptop |
| 22:27.38 | questi | hm |
| 22:27.42 | CrippsFX | thingfish, totally weird. oh well. I'll look at it again tomorrow |
| 22:27.50 | Azar | I am not able to understand what info the access.log gives me, I see some IP numbers fowllowed by commands like GET /comersus/backoffice+/comersus_backoffice_menu.asp Mozilla/5.0... I have no mozilla installed, nor I have or need backoffice... ? |
| 22:27.58 | LightVision | how can I upgrade to latest Firefox 1.0.7 if Im using Sarge? |
| 22:28.00 | valdyn_ | kadigibox: you need the 'souddriver' for it and sl-modem-daemon |
| 22:28.04 | Aim_Here | You sure, valdyn? some IBM thinkpads have an open source kernel driver supplied by IBM called mwave |
| 22:28.07 | asg | Azar: #apache is the place to be |
| 22:28.20 | nkuttler | LightVision: do you have security lines in sources.list? |
| 22:28.20 | valdyn_ | kadigibox: well, for one of them anyway, http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 22:28.28 | thingfish | CrippsFX: did you run through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again? |
| 22:28.30 | LightVision | nkuttler: I think so, why? |
| 22:28.37 | kadigibox | is that apt-getable? |
| 22:28.38 | Azar | thanks asg |
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| 22:28.44 | valdyn_ | Aim_Here: a real modem needs no driver at all |
| 22:28.47 | nkuttler | LightVision: then you have 1.0.6 at least |
| 22:28.55 | valdyn_ | Aim_Here: mwave is a sound driver.. |
| 22:28.59 | LightVision | nkuttler: I have: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:29.07 | wishkah | asg: I uncompressed the bootstrap tgz file, but that hardly is a chroot-able environment, is it? make fails with something about permissions to dev... |
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| 22:29.19 | valdyn_ | Aim_Here: alsa has one too |
| 22:29.22 | LightVision | nksen: how can I upgrade from my current firefox 1.0.6 to latest Firefox 1.0.7 if Im using Sarge? |
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| 22:29.28 | nkuttler | LightVision: you're ok then, then version string just didn't get changed because of debians policy |
| 22:29.35 | questi | nkuttler: there isn't in init.d dir. too |
| 22:29.41 | Aim_Here | Fair enough, valdyn. I've never used it on this machine I'm using, but I just knew it was there |
| 22:29.42 | asg | wishkah: check the README first. |
| 22:29.48 | nkuttler | questi: then you need to install it (if you really want to) |
| 22:29.53 | LightVision | nkuttler: any idea how to upgrade to the latest 1.0.7? |
| 22:29.58 | wishkah | asg: well, rtfm I guess ;) |
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| 22:30.15 | nkuttler | LightVision: _what_ is wrong with securitys version? |
| 22:30.17 | LightVision | is anyone using Firefox 1.0.7 on Sarge? |
| 22:30.19 | asg | wishkah: if that doesn't help, you can probably get a loop mountable image from user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net that should get you started. |
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| 22:30.37 | stew | LightVision: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 22:30.48 | valdyn_ | LightVision: the major difference between sarge's firefox and mozilla.org's is *only* the version number |
| 22:30.55 | asg | LightVision: you could always just grab their binaries and install in /usr/local |
| 22:30.58 | wishkah | asg: I do have the net-install CD mounted with loop... |
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| 22:30.59 | LightVision | nkuttler: the 1.0.7 has pop up windows blocking for the "NEW" popups out! the 1.0.6 doesnt block ALL popus |
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| 22:31.23 | LightVision | valdyn_: the sarge 1.0.4 is 1.0.06! but I want the latest, 1.0.7 |
| 22:31.34 | wishkah | asg: but I cannot chroot into that, obviously... :( |
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| 22:31.50 | LightVision | asg: how do I compile in /usr/local? |
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| 22:32.18 | jjazz | wishkah: If I might suggest another method: pop the drive into a laptop with a cdrom and just do netinst. Yes, it's not as cool as debootstrap, but it might be easier. |
| 22:32.24 | Kacingo | nkuttler: I fixed the problem with resolution, but for some reason it won't let me have a refresh rate higher than 60Hz at this resolution. Any ideas why? |
| 22:32.26 | asg | LightVision: just download their binary, when it asks you where to install, tell it /usr/local. If you are compiling, --prefix=/usr/local to their ./configure script should do the trick. |
| 22:32.32 | stew | LightVision: why not backport the sid version? |
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| 22:32.49 | asg | wishkah: no, that won't work :( |
| 22:32.54 | LightVision | stew: that sounds promising! how do I do that? |
| 22:33.00 | ciaron | why does the php version in debian stable use pre 4.1 myslq libs? |
| 22:33.05 | stew | 18:30 < stew> LightVision: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:33.06 | ciaron | and mysql has upgraded to 4.1 |
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| 22:33.24 | LightVision | SteveLab: I have deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable all |
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| 22:33.59 | LightVision | stew: I alreeady have deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable all in my sources. but when I "apt-get install mozilla-firefox", it says up todate version |
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| 22:34.13 | stew | LightVision: its probably correct |
| 22:34.20 | LightVision | stew: whats correct? |
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| 22:34.26 | questi | its |
| 22:34.28 | stew | LightVision: that you have the latest version from backports.org |
| 22:34.35 | omega4728 | another question regarding btdownloadcurses: I'm running one torrent now. is it possible to put it in the background so i can use the console and then just bring it up again or do i have to open another console? |
| 22:34.49 | LightVision | stew: no! because foirefox didnt upgrade after I placed backports in sources |
| 22:34.58 | asg | omega4728: Ctrl + z ; bg |
| 22:35.11 | asg | omega4728: to bring it up again, type 'fg' |
| 22:35.36 | stew | LightVision: then they either provide an older one than stable does or none at all; "apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox" will confirm this |
| 22:35.41 | asg | omega4728: search for 'JOB CONTROL' in the manpage for whatever shell you are using (probably bash) |
| 22:36.02 | omega4728 | thx |
| 22:36.07 | Kacingo | anyone have an idea why my max refresh rate at 1280x1024 is 60Hz? |
| 22:36.10 | omega4728 | using putty on a remote server :-) |
| 22:36.15 | jjazz | asg: if you have multiple backgrounded jobs, you can get to them with fg %1, fg %2, etc. |
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| 22:36.31 | jjazz | omega4728: that last thing I said was meant for you |
| 22:36.37 | asg | jjazz: yes, that's why I advised him to consult the 'JOB CONTROL' section of the manpage for the shell he is using. |
| 22:36.43 | LightVision | stew: apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox only told me im using firefox 1.0.4-2sarge3 |
| 22:36.47 | rudenstam | how do I know what network card is eth0 and what is eth1 (different types of cards, remote box) |
| 22:36.51 | wishkah | jjazz: yeah, that's how I got gentoo on the machine. to be honest, that's too much of a hassle right now, just wanted to give debian a fair chance (have seen enough 20-minute package-installs) |
| 22:36.51 | jjazz | asg: sorry, I typed the wrong nick. |
| 22:36.54 | asg | rudenstam: dmesg |
| 22:36.55 | valdyn_ | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 22:36.57 | asg | jjazz: :) no worries |
| 22:36.59 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
| 22:37.09 | rudenstam | asg: of course... dunno why I asked :) |
| 22:37.18 | stew | looks like dpkg doesn't indesx security |
| 22:37.19 | omega4728 | thx guys |
| 22:37.41 | stew | LightVision: then that backports line doesn't provide a mozilla-firefox, you'd have to backport it yourself |
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| 22:38.39 | LightVision | stew: how? :) |
| 22:38.44 | peppo | "debmake" should supply "deb-make", right? |
| 22:38.48 | asg | stew: 1.0.4-2 is the latest my sarge machine shows version-wise |
| 22:38.57 | stew | LightVision: i've told you twice now |
| 22:39.05 | questi | help help help |
| 22:39.07 | peppo | I'm trying to follow http://people.debian.org/~jaldhar/make_package1.html to make a Debian package for something long neglected in unstable. |
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| 22:39.14 | stew | asg: http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/mozilla-firefox |
| 22:39.32 | Syph0n | evening, question: networking is ok, can't set routes though: RTNETLINK answers: Network is unreachable |
| 22:39.35 | LightVision | stew: telling is one thing, for another to understand is another. sometimes a different way or method of saying same thing, using different terminology can help. |
| 22:39.51 | asg | stew: how old is that? |
| 22:39.55 | asg | or new rather |
| 22:39.59 | stew | LightVision: if you didn't understand anything about the factoid, please ask |
| 22:40.06 | kadigibox | hmmm I wonder what debian install I should use. Sarge, Etch, or Sid |
| 22:40.14 | valdyn_ | kadigibox: sarge |
| 22:40.24 | asg | stew: ah, okay. |
| 22:40.26 | LightVision | stew: using empathy, using language that a newbie understands! its hard for a beginner to understand an expert, unless the expert empathises and using beginner terminology! :) |
| 22:40.31 | stew | asg: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 ; dsa [DSA 779-2] |
| 22:40.38 | thingfish | kadigibox: you're going to be chasing bugs with anything other than sarge. |
| 22:40.38 | valdyn_ | !simple sid backport |
| 22:40.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
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| 22:40.47 | stew | LightVision: did you read the factoid at all? |
| 22:40.48 | valdyn_ | LightVision: what do you not understand ? ^^^ ? |
| 22:41.05 | LightVision | stew: if an expert talks to a beginner from an "expert" mindset and terminology, then it may be difficult :) |
| 22:41.17 | stew | LightVision: when i said "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" did you not understand what I meant for you to do with that? |
| 22:41.18 | asg | stew: *nod* |
| 22:41.18 | LightVision | valdyn_: the part about doing it myself :) |
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| 22:41.42 | LightVision | stew: I did that, and it said if its too hard to understand, pay someone to do it for me :) |
| 22:41.54 | LightVision | stew: this is what it said: dpkg well, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 22:41.54 | jjazz | LightVision: And what about that didn't you understand? |
| 22:42.10 | Syph0n | anyone seen this: can't set routes with ip r a, get the message "RTNETLINK answers: Network is unreachable" |
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| 22:42.16 | LightVision | I didnt understand 2) and 3) :P |
| 22:42.16 | hensari | hey |
| 22:42.17 | kadigibox | I wish I could find my sarge CD |
| 22:42.22 | myren | there'ssome command line tool which accesses various web sites and web services to dig up info, anyone rembmer what it is? |
| 22:42.27 | stew | ok, my work is done here |
| 22:42.33 | LightVision | sorry I meant to say |
| 22:42.38 | hensari | is there anyone using amd 64 with linux? |
| 22:42.39 | LightVision | I didnt understand 3) and 4) |
| 22:42.39 | jjazz | myren: lynx? |
| 22:42.54 | grelli | are there any dev's about? |
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| 22:43.04 | dondelelcaro | grelli: just ask your question |
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| 22:43.12 | valdyn_ | !anyone |
| 22:43.12 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:43.17 | myren | no its actually frakking useful |
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| 22:43.27 | grelli | well, yesterday I was setting up nuvexport, and I realised that I had to recompile ffmpeg with divx support |
| 22:43.31 | LightVision | valdyn_: I want to install latest firefox on sarge. thats all :) |
| 22:43.43 | Aim_Here | myren: wget? |
| 22:44.11 | grelli | this really isn't a question. It's that after being able to grab the source, modify the rules, and create a new package in under 5 minutes, I just wanted to say thanks for all the work the debian team puts in |
| 22:44.11 | myren | its a command line client built for specific web sites & web services |
| 22:44.17 | myren | its not a frakking http/html client |
| 22:44.20 | valdyn_ | LightVision: and you're not telling us which of the steps given by dpkg you do not understand |
| 22:44.29 | grelli | cause that was just damned cool, and it's things like that, that remind me why I use debian |
| 22:44.31 | thingfish | Sarge will probably get 1.0.7, although it'll still be called 1.0.4. Why not just wait. |
| 22:44.39 | LightVision | valdyn_: I did tell you, scroll up |
| 22:44.45 | LightVision | valdyn_: I didnt understand 3) and 4) |
| 22:44.55 | nkuttler | myren: learn perl+libwww and write it yourself |
| 22:44.56 | LightVision | valdyn_: this is what it said: dpkg well, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 22:45.03 | CosmoDad | is there a way to use a local file as if it were used on a remote machine via ssh? Like "echo foo > bar | ssh remote" where foo should be contained in the file bar on remote |
| 22:45.05 | jjazz | stew, valdyn_: The interaction with LightVision might go better if you keep in mind that he's 14 years old. |
| 22:45.06 | stew | LightVision: the apt-get manpage describe what the "buid-dep" and "-b source" commands do, can you read that first please? |
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| 22:45.14 | LightVision | jjazz: thanks :P |
| 22:45.26 | boyRJ-QUERDOTADO | OI |
| 22:45.33 | myren | someones already written it and it rocks. this is the first time i've had to ask in #debian and someone hasnt immediately followed with the app>>> its fscking gorgeous |
| 22:45.34 | LightVision | stew: i read it and still dont understand, sorry., |
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| 22:45.46 | citral | !nickometer boyRJ-QUERDOTADO |
| 22:45.46 | dpkg | 'boyRJ-QUERDOTADO' is 99.9363% lame, citral |
| 22:45.50 | LightVision | stew: pls realise I am only 5 weeks experienced with linux |
| 22:45.50 | nkuttler | myren: man apt-cache |
| 22:45.55 | matiu | How can I tell apt to install a specific version of a package please? |
| 22:45.55 | ttyS1 | I' trying to configure XFree86. what should I put on XF86Config for the mouse port ? I have a PS/2 mouse. |
| 22:45.57 | grendal_prime | is it me...or is there no nfs damen anymore? |
| 22:46.04 | Aim_Here | CosmoDad, why not run sshd on your local machine? |
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| 22:46.16 | Syph0n | ok, I've got 5 years experience with Debian, still nobody answers here |
| 22:46.16 | LightVision | stew: you speak from an experienced mindset, yet please remember, I am new to linux. |
| 22:46.26 | myren | yeah, i was just skipipng over it. its surfraw. |
| 22:46.26 | LightVision | stew: what is easy for you, is not for beginners |
| 22:46.29 | grelli | dondelelcaro: I really have no idea where else to express this, so I figured I'd try here first |
| 22:46.53 | LightVision | valdyn_: any advice? |
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| 22:47.04 | CosmoDad | Aim_Here: I think my example is too lousy to make clear what I want.. |
| 22:47.12 | peppo | anyone here experienced with making .debs when the source is SConstruct? |
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| 22:47.22 | stew | LightVision: a bulid dependency is a package that you need to have install in order to build a package. apt-get -b source pkgname will fetch and compile a package. is that clear? |
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| 22:47.29 | grendal_prime | is there a package you can install for nfs ? |
| 22:47.30 | stew | s/install/installed/ |
| 22:47.31 | dondelelcaro | grelli: ah; no worries... the best thanks you can give is to jump in and help out |
| 22:47.36 | grendal_prime | cause i sure as hell cant find it |
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| 22:47.40 | CosmoDad | Aim_Here: let's say what I really want: I want to add a key to ssh's authorized_keys on a remote machine with some parameters before that key |
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| 22:47.42 | dondelelcaro | grelli: but I'm glad that it worked for you |
| 22:47.48 | Kacingo | ttyS1: I think its the first one on the list. /dev/psaux |
| 22:47.50 | nkuttler | grendal_prime: apt-cache search nfs |
| 22:47.52 | questi | hi. when i try to run kdm i'm getting only black screen.. what should i do :( |
| 22:47.56 | mernil | why should i let of my windows installation? |
| 22:47.58 | LightVision | stew: not really, im confused! But its ok, dont worry. I will try to figure this out myself! thanks anyway for trying to help |
| 22:47.59 | LightVision | brb |
| 22:48.10 | ttyS1 | Kacingo: thanks let me try that |
| 22:48.18 | mernil | why is debian better than windows? |
| 22:48.26 | stew | LightVision: sounds like the answer here is, "no, you cannot get the latest mozilla-firefox on your sarge installation" |
| 22:48.27 | billions | WHY hahah |
| 22:48.28 | nkuttler | mernil: who said so? |
| 22:48.29 | grendal_prime | nkuttler, i did that..thats why im asking...it came up with a bunch of stuf...that is not nfsd |
| 22:48.33 | mernil | a simpel question :P |
| 22:48.34 | grelli | dondelelcaro: between that and checkinstall for installing nuvexport, I was able to add an awesome feature to mythtv with no worry that future upgrades will break anything |
| 22:48.38 | CosmoDad | Aim_Here: so it should be like "parameters <public key>" on remote's authorized keys where public key and parameter are given from local |
| 22:48.38 | mernil | nkuttler: :) |
| 22:48.42 | Kacingo | ttyS1: I just spent ages trying to work that out myself :P |
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| 22:48.44 | citral | mernil: because it's FREE |
| 22:48.57 | nkuttler | grendal_prime: apt-cache search nfs server |
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| 22:49.03 | mernil | citral: well you have a point there ;) |
| 22:49.12 | Aim_Here | Hmmm, you mean you want to pipe something local across the network? |
| 22:49.12 | CosmoDad | Aim_Here: I know you can tarball on the local side and pipe an untar on the remote, but that's not very elegant |
| 22:49.18 | Aim_Here | That might be a job for netcat |
| 22:49.19 | valdyn_ | LightVision: apt-get build-dep mozilla-firefox will install whatever is required to compile mozilla-firefox and apt-get -b source mozilla-firefox will download source, compile it and create mozilla-firefox debian packages |
| 22:49.21 | CosmoDad | Aim_Here: yeah something like that |
| 22:49.27 | Kachingo | blah |
| 22:49.29 | LightVision | stew: I tried your command "apt-get -b mozilla-firefox", but it doesnt work |
| 22:49.53 | LightVision | valdyn_: ok ill try that, ty |
| 22:50.03 | valdyn_ | LightVision: READ: it said apt-get -b source mozilla-firefox |
| 22:50.04 | grelli | dondelelcaro: where would be a good place to start reading on volunteering within the debian community? |
| 22:50.07 | mernil | but i'm a n00b.. debian seems like a good OS.. where can i find god docs? |
| 22:50.15 | valdyn_ | !docs |
| 22:50.15 | dpkg | docs is probably before asking in here, *please* read the available documentation in /usr/share/doc/packagename, man packagename, and http://linuxdoc.org/, or some packages have separat doc packages (e.g. bash-doc), or try the 'info' system |
| 22:50.16 | Saafirosz | how can i view more info about a package ...using apt-get |
| 22:50.17 | Saafirosz | ? |
| 22:50.20 | CosmoDad | Aim_Here: netcat hmm.. |
| 22:50.24 | grelli | dondelelcaro: is there a central page where projects post listings, or anything like that? |
| 22:50.29 | valdyn_ | !debian reference |
| 22:50.29 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 22:50.32 | ttyS1 | Kacingo: lol, what program should I run to help me configure X. Every time I try to install Debian I always get stuck in the same part :/ |
| 22:50.41 | grendal_prime | well i found the kernel server...and it recommends the user level version of nfs...is that a wise idea? |
| 22:50.41 | LightVision | valdyn_: ok , thanks |
| 22:50.48 | valdyn_ | !tell mernil -about ig |
| 22:50.55 | grendal_prime | seems like it would be slow as hell |
| 22:51.01 | mernil | i thinks debian can learn a lot from gentoos documentation |
| 22:51.10 | Aim_Here | It might be what you#re after, you'd probably have to set it up as both server and client |
| 22:51.25 | CosmoDad | Aim_Here: I'd need to make netcat listen on remote and have it send over from the local machine afterwards right? |
| 22:51.34 | Aim_Here | Yep. |
| 22:51.36 | LightVision | valdyn_: apt-get build-dep mozilla-firefox is now downaloading 20mb of stuff |
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| 22:52.03 | eeyore- | hmm, nifty. just got a shipment of new sun fire today and it has a "system configuration card". neat idea. that would be cool for linux/debian to support something similar, putting all configuration-related stuff in a usb keychain of some sort (and assuming you can locate another equivalent machine, migrate system configs by plugging it in) |
| 22:52.18 | valdyn_ | mernil: so you read the debian reference and think it sucks? |
| 22:52.22 | Kachingo | ttyS1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 <---- unless ur using X.org, in which case replace 'xfree86' with 'xorg' |
| 22:52.31 | valdyn_ | LightVision: yea, its large |
| 22:52.43 | valdyn_ | LightVision: and you will have to wait a while for that to compile... |
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| 22:52.44 | grendal_prime | mernil, that is the best part about gentoo....the documentation |
| 22:52.45 | LightVision | valdyn_: once the Debian firefox package is created, do I then just type "dpkg -i /path/to/deb" ? |
| 22:52.55 | valdyn_ | LightVision: yea |
| 22:53.07 | northbayrep | hi, in a terminal, how do i check what my ip is? |
| 22:53.08 | LightVision | valdyn_: ok ty :) |
| 22:53.13 | grendal_prime | that and the speed...its one fast distro..but the whole damn thing is compiled |
| 22:53.13 | dondelelcaro | grelli: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ has some information on it; the rest just depends on what you are interested in... pretty much any area to do with Debian can use assistance |
| 22:53.13 | stew | LightVision: the .deb will be in .. |
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| 22:53.16 | Aim_Here | northbayrep, netstat -i -e |
| 22:53.17 | nkuttler | northbayrep: man ifconfig |
| 22:53.26 | stew | LightVision: actuall no, nm it will be in . |
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| 22:53.36 | guk | How do I see what file "cat * | grep "somthing"" the somthing is in ? |
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| 22:53.39 | LightVision | stew: what? |
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| 22:53.43 | stew | LightVision: nevermind |
| 22:53.45 | LightVision | stew: nm? |
| 22:53.53 | grelli | dondelelcaro: thanks, I'll deffinately take a look |
| 22:53.54 | Aim_Here | guk you don't. It's a useless use of cat |
| 22:54.01 | nkuttler | guk: use grep "foo" * |
| 22:54.02 | eeyore- | grendal_prime: what? gentoo? best part = documentation? ahem. |
| 22:54.02 | Aim_Here | guk, try grep something * instead |
| 22:54.09 | LightVision | stew: where is . ? |
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| 22:54.15 | guk | oh ? cool ... |
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| 22:54.34 | stew | LightVision: the current directory |
| 22:54.38 | hi675 | can anyone help me w/ the CD version of Tiger? |
| 22:54.46 | LightVision | valdyn_: but what version is it downloading of firefox? I already have Firefox 1.0.4-2sarge3 installed |
| 22:54.51 | LightVision | stew: ok |
| 22:54.53 | stew | hi675: tiger as in OSX? |
| 22:55.03 | hi675 | yes. |
| 22:55.06 | jim | tigger? |
| 22:55.08 | stew | hi675: wrong channel |
| 22:55.20 | hi675 | oh....sorry.. |
| 22:55.41 | stew | LightVision: did you add an unstable deb-src line to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 22:55.52 | lenux-box | y does firefox and gaim totally get rid of webroswers and other programs thru aptget |
| 22:56.11 | LightVision | stew: no :P what unstable line can I use? |
| 22:56.28 | stew | lenux-box: what do you mean? are you trying to mix distros? |
| 22:56.44 | LightVision | stew: can I use: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 22:56.56 | stew | LightVision: yes, except change deb to deb-src |
| 22:57.03 | stew | solemnwarning: please turn that off in here, thanks |
| 22:57.07 | LightVision | stew: ok thanks |
| 22:57.16 | stew | LightVision: and apt-get update |
| 22:57.29 | lenux-box | upgradeing gaim gets rid of like 3 webrowsers is what i mean moz eph |
| 22:57.42 | stew | lenux-box: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:57.45 | Kachingo | hmmm, I just downloaded the firefox installer off their website. What directory should I install it in? I still haven't grasped the layout of linux |
| 22:57.45 | lenux-box | among other programs |
| 22:57.47 | LightVision | stew: ok, great. :) |
| 22:58.07 | jjazz | Kachingo: Why not just do apt-get install mozilla-firefox? |
| 22:58.16 | LightVision | stew: and then I type "apt-get build-dep mozilla-firefox" |
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| 22:58.52 | stew | LightVision: if you haven't already, yes. you don't need to run that again just becuase you added that deb-src line, that line is only for apt-get -b source |
| 22:58.53 | lenux-box | im using libranet whiches uses aptget from debian .....b4 you say it i know this is debian but apt get is debian s baby...lol |
| 22:58.55 | ttyS1 | Kacingo: well dpkg-reconfigure didn't work but I edited the config file to /dev/psaux and it works now. thanks |
| 22:58.56 | Kachingo | jjazz: why didn't you say that before I downloaded it off their website? :P |
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| 22:59.10 | jjazz | Kachingo: I like to see you sweat. |
| 22:59.22 | stew | lenux-box: sorry, we can't help you with libranet problems here, try #libranet |
| 22:59.28 | Kachingo | jjazz: Just as I suspected |
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| 22:59.35 | jjazz | Kachingo: You'll need root permission, btw. |
| 23:00.12 | Azar | python got a new package .. just upgrading now |
| 23:00.15 | ttyS1 | Kacingo: the only problem is that the mouse seems to have a mind of its own now |
| 23:00.23 | lenux-box | yea no1s is ever in there thought it was an aptget thing saying those things need to be removed but thanks anyway |
| 23:00.24 | LightVision | stew: ok, so i now type "apt-get -b source mozilla-firefox" , yes? |
| 23:00.32 | stew | yes |
| 23:00.34 | Kachingo | ttyS1: ? What do you mean? |
| 23:01.03 | Azar | where can I look to see if there was any successfull intrusion in my machine? |
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| 23:01.39 | LightVision | stew: ty :) |
| 23:01.45 | ttyS1 | Kacingo: it moves way too fast and doesn't respond well |
| 23:01.57 | Azar | how can I find who rooted my system? |
| 23:02.05 | Aim_Here | Azar, there are rootkit detectors available via apt. And /var/log may help too |
| 23:02.35 | Azar | Aim_Here, I looked in var/log and I see someone doing shopping online from my machine |
| 23:02.44 | *** part/#debian hi675 (n=hi675@dial-69-67-236-106.usadatanet.net) |
| 23:02.44 | Azar | however, I have no browser installed |
| 23:02.46 | stew | Azar: you can run debsums, but debsums not finding anything does not authoritatively mean that you were not intruded. other things to check are for suspicous things in "last". |
| 23:03.04 | Aim_Here | shopping online? |
| 23:03.15 | Azar | stew, last shows no activity but only from my user ... |
| 23:03.17 | LightVision | stew: when I typed: "apt-get build-dep mozilla-firefox", i get this message... Build-Depends dependency for mozilla-firefox cannot be satisfied because the package libxinerama-dev cannot be found. |
| 23:03.18 | Aim_Here | I hope it's not your credit card they've used |
| 23:03.25 | valdyn_ | Azar: which logfile are you looking at? |
| 23:03.29 | Aim_Here | I really hope it's not mine |
| 23:03.54 | Kachingo | ttyS1: how odd. My ones annoyingly slow. Its probibly just set to a high speed? I'm not sure how to change it though, this is my first time using debian :P |
| 23:04.02 | LightVision | stew: and if I try to install, it says: Couldn't find package libxinerama-dev |
| 23:04.07 | Azar | Aim_Here yes :) /var/log/apache2/error.log shows the IP (from korea) and sites he has been |
| 23:04.10 | LightVision | stew: whats the problem? |
| 23:04.26 | stew | LightVision: libxinerama-dev doesn't exist in sarge, and that means you are stuck |
| 23:04.44 | Azar | however is :error.log I assume unsuccessful, or the log can't find the file |
| 23:04.55 | LightVision | stew: hmm, so does this mean I can never ever upgrade my firefox? |
| 23:04.58 | ttyS1 | Kacingo: I know there is a tool to configure the mouse. I think it was XF86config |
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| 23:05.11 | valdyn_ | Azar: sure it cannot be the someone is trying to access known broken php scripts belonging to some shopping software that you just dont have on your computer? |
| 23:05.25 | valdyn_ | Azar: and that has nothing at all to do with your being rooted |
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| 23:05.41 | LightVision | stew: does this mean I can never ever upgrade my firefox by using Sarge? |
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| 23:06.00 | valdyn_ | Azar: and that 'someone' is just a stupid bot anyhow |
| 23:06.13 | stew | LightVision: correct, unless you install firefox in /usr/local/ directly from mozilla.org |
| 23:06.14 | ttyS1 | anyone knows how I can configure the mouse, speed clicks etc ? |
| 23:06.40 | Kachingo | ttyS1: Possibly. btw, its Kachingo, Kacingo was a typo :) |
| 23:06.41 | LightVision | stew: I wouldnt know how to do that :( |
| 23:06.49 | Aim_Here | I want an excuse to install apache, just so I can open up port 80, read the logs and watch the windows worms sail by |
| 23:07.00 | Azar | valdyn_ this debian box does not have a browser installed. nor X |
| 23:07.02 | valdyn_ | Azar: now why you'd think you were rooted from looking at that.. no idea |
| 23:07.15 | LightVision | stew: that sucks :( if a person uses Sarge, they can never, ever upgrade Firfox! So that would mean, in 3-6months, Im still using an OLD firefox :( |
| 23:07.18 | valdyn_ | Azar: but obviously an apache webserver, duh |
| 23:07.20 | stew | LightVision: if you download the .tar.gz from mozilla it will have a README and probably an INSTALL which would describe how |
| 23:07.31 | LightVision | stew: ok |
| 23:07.51 | stew | LightVision: correct, that's how debian works, once a version is released it never gets new versions only security patches |
| 23:07.57 | ttyS1 | Kachingo: ok Kacingo ;) |
| 23:08.01 | Azar | Tue Sep 27 03:20:34 2005 [error] client 211.173.97.152 File does not exist: /var/www/BackOfficeGold |
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| 23:08.18 | valdyn_ | Azar: yea, so? |
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| 23:08.34 | Azar | what is BackOfficeGold? some program? |
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| 23:08.52 | valdyn_ | Azar: some bot from 211.173.97.152 tried to load /var/www/BackOfficeGold and you dont offer that. |
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| 23:09.10 | Azar | oh thanks a lot valdyn_ so they are just trivial scans, thanks |
| 23:09.39 | valdyn_ | Azar: if you really had those files, then you had reason to be worried i suppose |
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| 23:10.08 | Azar | valdyn_ indeed, my thought was that someone took over my machine and goes shopping online with it, or at least tries |
| 23:10.29 | Azar | there are a lot of /var/www/cart in there |
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| 23:10.53 | zepeuga | whats the command to epiphany ? |
| 23:11.06 | valdyn_ | Azar: he's trying to exploit shopping servers. Accidentaly your box just isnt a shopping server.. |
| 23:11.10 | Azar | Aim_Here only if you can reach through the screen at my wallet |
| 23:11.13 | LightVision | stew: hmm, i will have to re-evalute my options here! what do I need to do to be able to always be able to install latest firfox etc? upgrade to Unstable? |
| 23:11.20 | Kachingo | ttyS1: You can change the mouse speed in the control center in KDE. Are you in KDE? |
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| 23:11.26 | eurleif | Why would pressing Ctrl+Alt+F# make the screen go off (not just black, but off) after installing the NVidia drivers on a laptop? I can't even press Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back into X. |
| 23:11.32 | jjazz | Azar: According to google, backofficegold appears to be a 'web admin utility'. So it's a script that is looking for vulnerabilities in web sites. Your site is not vulnerable in this way, so you're ok. |
| 23:11.57 | valdyn_ | LightVision: 1.0.7 should be in sarge soon, just labeled 1.0.4 as 1.0.6 is atm |
| 23:12.02 | stew | LightVision: no way. you should not be considering using unstable. your option is to install it from mozilla.org or wait for someone else to backport it |
| 23:12.04 | eeyore- | Azar: from glancing at what's being discussed, sounds to me like someone is trying to (randomly) access left-around shopping carts hoping to find things like credit card numbers |
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| 23:12.25 | Azar | jjazz, :) I do not even have a server, site or something, just a basic installation so far |
| 23:12.38 | LightVision | valdyn_: what you mean? stew just told me that Firefox is NEVER upgraded in Sarge |
| 23:12.39 | eeyore- | eurleif: because nvidia driver and your framebuffer console don't like each other |
| 23:12.55 | Azar | eeyore- yes indeed, the number is from korea |
| 23:13.02 | Aim_Here | Azar, when you get a site, try to make sure that whatever these worms are doing won't work |
| 23:13.14 | ttyS1 | Kachingo: I'm not even sure, If I could only get the mouse to the Applications menu :\ |
| 23:13.17 | valdyn_ | LightVision: 1.0.x are only security upgrades, debian offers only security upgrades, therefore 1.0.7 could enter sarge, just not labeled as 1.0.7 |
| 23:13.33 | Azar | it goes on and on with : /var/www/cart /var/www/shop /var/www/comersus /var/www/backofficeplus.. and so on |
| 23:13.37 | valdyn_ | LightVision: should have said debian/stable instead of debian above |
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| 23:13.42 | tdk650m | hello all |
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| 23:13.57 | valdyn_ | Azar: its knocking here too, and everywhere i guess |
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| 23:14.01 | LightVision | valdyn_: ok |
| 23:14.10 | tdk650m | i am trying to delete all the files in a particular directory ($1), that do not have an extension .txt |
| 23:14.19 | Azar | valdyn_ on my other machine, I get around 80 scans/hour |
| 23:14.29 | Kovecses | how do i auto start apps in fluxbox? |
| 23:14.30 | tdk650m | rm $(ls -1 $1 | grep -v "\.txt$") |
| 23:14.31 | Azar | but I am ok |
| 23:14.33 | LightVision | valdyn_: so firefox would be avaiulable for upgrades IF there is a security risk? |
| 23:14.38 | eurleif | eeyore: Thanks, I see. Any idea what I can do besides disabling FB (without it, the screen flickers in text mode) or the NVidia drivers? |
| 23:14.40 | tdk650m | is deleting the files from the current directory from where the rm command is run |
| 23:14.58 | valdyn_ | LightVision: yea, just as 1.0.6 is in sarge now, as you know |
| 23:15.02 | Kachingo | ttyS1: Bummer. There's probibly some magical way to change the speed in the command line |
| 23:15.02 | tdk650m | i need to make it so that the command deletes the files from any other directory, |
| 23:15.07 | caphuso | tdk650m: what shell? |
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| 23:15.12 | stew | LightVision: if there is a security risk and they cannot patch the current version with just the security fixes |
| 23:15.17 | valdyn_ | LightVision: they are just a little slow usually |
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| 23:15.44 | stew | LightVision: the only reason 1.0.6 is in sarge is that it was not possible to patch 1.0.4 with the security fixes, normally this is not the case |
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| 23:16.02 | ttyS1 | Kachingo: I think so let me see what I can find |
| 23:16.13 | eeyore- | Azar: either ignore it, or blacklist his/her IP address |
| 23:16.18 | eeyore- | Azar: and leave it at that |
| 23:16.37 | eeyore- | eurleif: what framebuffer are you using? vesafb + nvidia = compatible, mostly |
| 23:16.45 | Kachingo | Are you able to view the other partitions/harddrives on your system that are for windows? |
| 23:16.50 | eeyore- | eurleif: nvidia + rivafb = instant lock, if you're unlucky |
| 23:17.44 | LightVision | stew: i understand, ty for explaining |
| 23:17.48 | LightVision | valdyn_: thanks |
| 23:18.16 | tdk650m | caphuso: when I do an echo $SHELL, I get /usr/bin/sh |
| 23:18.16 | elephant | To install a key on the remote server using ssh : i need to "scp site-key.pub user@server:.ssh/authorized_key" ? Is this right ? |
| 23:18.22 | tdk650m | so I am not sure what shell that is |
| 23:18.23 | elephant | Why its not working ? |
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| 23:19.11 | caphuso | tdk650m: something like find . -name \*.txt -prune -o -type f -print0 | xargs -0 echo rm |
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| 23:19.37 | grendal_prime | mount /hom/user/remotefile remoteserverip:/remote_exported_dir |
| 23:19.42 | grendal_prime | home that is |
| 23:19.49 | grendal_prime | what is wrong with that line? |
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| 23:20.00 | tdk650m | caphuso: wow, that command is huge |
| 23:20.06 | abrotman | grendal_prime: FS type ? |
| 23:20.08 | caphuso | tdk650m: it's not |
| 23:20.08 | tdk650m | cant I achieve the same using rm |
| 23:20.15 | POSESO | HOLA |
| 23:20.28 | grendal_prime | mount /home/user/remotefile -nfs remoteserverip:/remote_exported_dir |
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| 23:20.48 | grendal_prime | or is it ext3 ? |
| 23:21.31 | Kachingo | does anyone know why my max refresh rate is 60Hz at 1280x1024 resolution????? |
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| 23:21.34 | caphuso | tdk650m: certainly not |
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| 23:22.03 | tdk650m | hmm., |
| 23:22.11 | debiannoobie | Greetings all.... can anyone help me with a mounting problem? |
| 23:22.14 | caphuso | tdk650m: rm can't do anything besides deleting files it's being told to delete, so somehow you have to create that list of files |
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| 23:22.44 | tdk650m | rm $(ls -1 $1 | grep -v "\.txt$") |
| 23:22.52 | tdk650m | does delete all the files in the current directory |
| 23:23.08 | caphuso | tdk650m: by using 1) your shell, 2) ls and 3) grep |
| 23:23.12 | paolovas | Hi. I was setting mi gkrellm volume plugin, but I need to know in wich /dev/ does my sound is. Can anyone help me with this |
| 23:23.14 | tdk650m | but the directory location from where I need to delete the files is not configurable via an argument |
| 23:23.31 | caphuso | tdk650m: which is why you use find |
| 23:23.38 | tdk650m | ok |
| 23:23.42 | stew | tdk650m: you dont need a -1 to ls in a pipeline btw |
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| 23:24.06 | caphuso | stew: the whole thing is way too flawed |
| 23:24.20 | caphuso | fixing the most harmless mistake doesn't really matter :) |
| 23:24.30 | stew | :) |
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| 23:25.07 | tdk650m | caphuso: when I tried this command: |
| 23:25.14 | debiannoobie | After 2 days I still can't mount my raid... Anyone... HELP!!! Before I break down and go back to winblows |
| 23:25.20 | tdk650m | find /develop/tibdevnfs1/Extracts/Inbound -name \*.lst -prune -o -type f -print0 |
| 23:25.25 | tdk650m | i get the following error: |
| 23:25.28 | tdk650m | find: bad option -print0 |
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| 23:26.51 | caphuso | tdk650m: you're not using debian, are you? |
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| 23:27.33 | tdk650m | caphuso: nope |
| 23:27.36 | tdk650m | i am on HP UX |
| 23:27.42 | caphuso | tdk650m: then go the fuck away |
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| 23:27.56 | tdk650m | :( |
| 23:28.09 | jcurry | i get a black screen with some colored garbage on the top when starting an xorg session and loading the dri module, but it is fine if i comment out the dri part...can anyone *please* help me troubleshoot this? i have been trying for days! |
| 23:28.15 | jeanmi__ | I have a WAV file with N messages (prompts) separated by a 2 second mute. How would you proceed to split that file into as many messages it contains ? (which tool, programming langiuage...) ? |
| 23:28.21 | abrotman | hahah |
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| 23:28.58 | abrotman | tdk650m: if you're using gnu tools on hp-ux ... ask #gnu |
| 23:29.08 | Aim_Here | jeanmi audacity would do that |
| 23:29.10 | r0uter_ | please, boot debian cd, init=/bin/bash right? |
| 23:29.19 | tdk650m | sure, |
| 23:29.23 | tdk650m | sorry for the bother |
| 23:29.23 | stew | SHELL=/usr/bin/sh should have been our first clue that it wasn't debian... |
| 23:30.10 | caphuso | stew: i claimed it on cluelessness and an inability to copy&paste |
| 23:30.17 | eurleif | eeyore-: I just switched it to vesafb, but Ctrl+Alt+F# still isn't working. |
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| 23:31.09 | _keroppi_ | I'm making ttyUSB0 and 1 for my Sony Clie with mknod, but I'm running hotplug, so these devices go away later on. How do you make them permanent with udev and hotplug running? |
| 23:31.15 | caphuso | you know, "never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity" |
| 23:32.02 | stew | caphuso: and asking hp-ux questions in #debian isn't stupid? :) |
| 23:32.08 | caphuso | stew: no, that's malice |
| 23:32.35 | ttyS1 | Kachingo: I switched the Aopen mouse I had for a Microsoft mouse and it works real good now. |
| 23:33.04 | caphuso | "oh, i know i'm off topic, but you suckers' time is worth less than mine, so i'm going to trick you into wasting it anyway. thank god that i'm a son of a bitch who doesn't care about other people" |
| 23:33.10 | dvs | _keroppi_: Change the files in /etc/udev |
| 23:33.26 | stew | caphuso: well when you state it that way... |
| 23:33.46 | Kachingo | ttyS1: Woot! Hey, what screen resolution are you on? And, whats the max refresh rate? |
| 23:33.56 | caphuso | 'kay, off for something mollifying... killing a couple of grass hoppers |
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| 23:34.27 | ttyS1 | Kachingo: hum let me see but that depends on your hardware I'm sure |
| 23:34.34 | stew | ttyS1: did you try the Explorer protocol or whatever its called with the MS mouse? |
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| 23:35.44 | ttyS1 | stew: no I don't know how to do that. Is that on the XF86config file ? |
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| 23:35.57 | jcurry | i get a black screen with some colored garbage on the top when starting an xorg session and loading the dri module, but it is fine if i comment out the dri part...can anyone *please* help me troubleshoot this? i have been trying for days! |
| 23:36.02 | jair_11 | hello guys I need a little bit of networking advice |
| 23:36.29 | jair_11 | I am converting a dsl router with 4 ports into a "switch only" |
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| 23:36.52 | jair_11 | I disable the DHCP server and add an static ip to it. |
| 23:37.00 | stew | ttyS1: yes, its an option in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as well |
| 23:37.03 | jair_11 | I can ping from my network with no problem |
| 23:37.24 | Kachingo | ttyS1: Arghj, its so annoying, in windows my max refresh rate was 85Hz, but now its 60Hz in Debian, and the flickeryness is so evil. |
| 23:37.30 | jair_11 | the router on my main network have an IP address 192.168.168.1 |
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| 23:38.02 | jair_11 | and then I add to the switch an ip address 192.168.168.107 |
| 23:38.13 | mfrisch | Could turning on DMA cause a harddisk to sputter i/o errors and wipe my MBR? |
| 23:38.22 | jair_11 | so the machine from where i am trying to connect have an static IP address too "fixed" |
| 23:39.06 | abrotman | !hdparm |
| 23:39.06 | dpkg | hdparm is probably the HD tuning tool. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html, or apt-get install hdparm and RTFM :) |
| 23:39.08 | jair_11 | do I need to leave the machine in a dhcp and just plug it into the "switch" that was before a router? |
| 23:39.20 | abrotman | mfrisch: and .. it could .. anything can happen |
| 23:39.36 | jair_11 | but I should be able of have it in static IP if i want though |
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| 23:40.06 | mfrisch | abrotman it's is the only thing left I can think that is different on my box |
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| 23:42.50 | bsims | I got a quick question, I have made folders in Kmail and the folder is a maildir how do I convert it to maildir mb2md simply does the toplevel |
| 23:43.49 | Guerin | bsims: um, mbox doesn't support filders, or a directory structure of any kind. |
| 23:43.50 | abrotman | no -R ? |
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| 23:44.38 | bsims | Guerin: then Kmail must be doing it logicaly as I have folders under them |
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| 23:45.04 | Guerin | bsims: probably there's one mbox for each folder. Look in your .kmail dir |
| 23:45.11 | Guerin | or whatever it uses |
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| 23:47.20 | Flimzy | I'm having trouble getting sane to work over a network. Has anyone here experienced freezing issues with this before? |
| 23:47.36 | abrotman | i don't think sane is supposed to work over the network |
| 23:48.03 | Flimzy | abrotman: Ahh... well you would be incorrect. :) |
| 23:48.08 | Flimzy | It is supposed to |
| 23:48.15 | Flimzy | now whether it does or not... that may be another issue |
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| 23:48.36 | Guerin | Flimzy: ask #sane, ffs. Or a sane mailing list. This isn't even remotely a debian question. |
| 23:48.52 | Flimzy | Guerin: Thank you. I appreciated your input yesterday, too. |
| 23:49.06 | Guerin | Flimzy: But I note you didn't actually TAKE my advice. |
| 23:49.16 | Flimzy | abrotman: hehe. man saned "saned - SANE network daemon" |
| 23:49.17 | Guerin | and hence you're still whining to the wrong bunch of people. |
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| 23:49.27 | abrotman | Flimzy: i don't own a scanner |
| 23:49.28 | Flimzy | Guerin: Yes, that's because your advice is absurd. |
| 23:49.33 | Flimzy | Guerin: 99% of what goes on here is not explicitly "Debian related" and you know that. |
| 23:49.45 | abrotman | Flimzy: he just told you the *best* place to ask |
| 23:49.56 | jcurry | i get a black screen with some colored garbage on the top when starting an xorg session and loading the dri module, but it is fine if i comment out the dri part...can anyone *please* help me troubleshoot this? i have been trying for days! I have a radeon 9200se |
| 23:50.03 | Flimzy | abrotman: Yes, I've already explored (and continue to) those avenues. They're really not great places to ask. |
| 23:50.10 | abrotman | i think maybe #debian gets .. 1 or 2 scanner questions a day . unlike #sane or hte mailing list |
| 23:50.19 | abrotman | ask #linux ? |
| 23:50.21 | Flimzy | abrotman: 1) there's never anyone on #sane, 2) lists and usenet thus far have been dead ends, too |
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| 23:50.34 | abrotman | this is why scanners suck |
| 23:50.37 | Flimzy | abrotman: Perhaps. That doesn't mean this is a useless place to ask, though. |
| 23:50.40 | Guerin | Flimzy: bullshit. You're asking about how to use a little-known feature of a relatively rarely-used piece of software ... are you asking ##linux too? #fedora? #gentoo? |
| 23:50.56 | Flimzy | Guerin: If I had Fedora or Gentoo installed, I would be asking them. |
| 23:51.05 | Guerin | Flimzy: how is that relevant? |
| 23:51.16 | Flimzy | Guerin: For all I know, this *is* a Debian related issue. Perhaps the Debian maintainer foobarred the package. |
| 23:51.22 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: if you're seeing freezing issues, then you've found a bug in the kernel or the sane driver; we can't really help you with them much. |
| 23:51.42 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: the system doesn't freeze, just sane/saned |
| 23:51.48 | abrotman | debian maintainers never fubar a package .. never/ever! |
| 23:51.54 | Guerin | Flimzy: you can test this hypothesis yourself, without involving us. |
| 23:52.05 | Flimzy | Guerin: And you can be less of an ass, too. |
| 23:52.17 | abrotman | oh ffs .. both of you /ignore each other :) |
| 23:52.18 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: then build a debugging version and gdb it |
| 23:52.20 | Flimzy | Guerin: Asking here does you ABSOLUTELY NO personal harm. So don't act like I'm attacking your family. |
| 23:52.26 | Guerin | hah |
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| 23:52.40 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: That is one thing I may do if I get that far. |
| 23:52.59 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: But I'm sure you'll agree that's not a first-step approach... and rarely even a 10th-step |
| 23:53.09 | Guerin | !order |
| 23:53.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, order is if you're having trouble with something: 0) read the manpages 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule. |
| 23:53.16 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/Jever||Yuengling/Jever|Yuengling/ |
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| 23:53.30 | Flimzy | Asking on a reasonably knowledgable channel is a reasonable step to take before doing custom debug compiles, or running strace on obscure things |
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| 23:53.53 | Flimzy | Guerin: THank you. I'll have you know, I have actually followed steps 1-7 *before* asking here. |
| 23:54.12 | Flimzy | Guerin: You need to not assume that because someone is asking here that they have ignored that advice. |
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| 23:54.18 | stew | if we are fixing the beer factoid, s/Optimater/Optimator/ |
| 23:54.20 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: that's generally one of the early steps in figuring out the problem, actually... it'd be about the second thing I'd ask for if I were the sane maintainer. |
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| 23:54.28 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: hello |
| 23:54.34 | daniminas | hi |
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| 23:54.52 | abrotman | dri is lovely! :) |
| 23:54.53 | Flimzy | Guerin: Now, if you had said "Did you RTFM/STFW/ask on #sane", that *would* have been reasonable. But rather, you started jumping down my throat. |
| 23:55.00 | abrotman | jcurry: did you ask #dri or check dri.sf.net ? |
| 23:55.11 | daniminas | somebody know if webcams in parports have support? |
| 23:55.13 | Guerin | Flimzy: except that this is clearly and explicitly the wrong place for the question ... as evidenced by the fact that your queries here came to naught yesterday, as well. |
| 23:55.24 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: I think it's reasonable to first try to find out if it's a known issue with a known solution. |
| 23:55.30 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: we were talking about using latest version of Firefox in Sarge. in your opinion, what is the easiest and best way to always upgrade firefox to be hsing the latest version available from mozilla.org ? |
| 23:55.42 | Flimzy | Guerin: I whole-heartedly disagree with you on that point, and nothing you say will ever convince me otherwise. |
| 23:55.46 | abrotman | LightVision: the one in sarge is 1.0.6 |
| 23:55.54 | LightVision | abrotman: we know lol |
| 23:55.56 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:56.02 | LightVision | abrotman: notice the question :) |
| 23:56.02 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: the general advice is not to. |
| 23:56.13 | abrotman | LightVision: i know .. of course .. you could use another browser :) |
| 23:56.14 | Flimzy | Guerin: If you're prepared to admit that asking a network question, or how to make a printer work, etc, is OT here, then I will admit that your logic is at least coherant, however. I will still disagree with your logic, though. |
| 23:56.21 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: otherwise, find someone who is reputable who is backporting the package, and use the backport. |
| 23:56.27 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: but isnt it inportant to always be using latest version firefox due to security reasons? |
| 23:56.34 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: stable gets security fixes |
| 23:56.34 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 23:56.45 | Guerin | Flimzy: not necessarily, since those things are often debian-specific. |
| 23:56.47 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: yes ok, thak you for your time |
| 23:56.50 | LightVision | :) |
| 23:56.52 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: well, no one here seems to know; so that's where I would start. If it were a known issue, there would be a bug filed against the package in the BTS> |
| 23:56.58 | Flimzy | Guerin: But regardless of your logic, you still _act_ like an ass. |
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| 23:57.08 | abrotman | it owuld be nice if backports would move the woody packages aside |
| 23:57.16 | LightVision | abrotman: ;) |
| 23:57.28 | Guerin | Flimzy: and there's a difference between asking generic, simple questions and asking vague, obscure questions like "doesn't work" |
| 23:57.30 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy, Guerin: use /ignore please, or I will have you ignore eachother for you. |
| 23:57.42 | Flimzy | Gueren: And SANE issues may be as well... But even if _my_ issue isn't... YOU have absolutely NO WAY of knowing that before you investigate it at least _a little bit_. |
| 23:57.46 | dondelelcaro | or take it elsewhere. |
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| 23:58.12 | Flimzy | Guerin: I've been on this channel for enough years to know how to ask a question, and to know what is and is not OT... I don't need you to tutor me. |
| 23:58.14 | abrotman | LightVision: i meant backports.org |
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| 23:58.30 | LightVision | abrotman: ok ty |
| 23:58.40 | Azar | that is something new to me: since when a user gets a /bin directory ? in woody I would not have such |
| 23:58.44 | abrotman | LightVision: there are no new packages there afaict .. |
| 23:58.56 | abrotman | Azar: by default .. they don't |
| 23:58.57 | Guerin | Azar: you can make one |
| 23:58.57 | LightVision | abrotman: yeah, im there now |
| 23:59.01 | dondelelcaro | Azar: lots of users have them... if you've got a /etc/skel/bin you'll get one |
| 23:59.13 | abrotman | LightVision: afaik .. all that stuff is for woody tough |
| 23:59.15 | abrotman | though |
| 23:59.25 | Azar | abrotman, Guerin I clearly remember not creating any directory in my user.. I have no idea how it showed up there |
| 23:59.45 | Guerin | Azar: ask your admin |
| 23:59.46 | dondelelcaro | Azar: stat ~/bin; and check it out |
| 23:59.49 | Azar | I guess Sarge assigns one |
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| 23:59.55 | manbox | how do i change letter-encoding on ntfs-drive in fstab? |
| 23:59.56 | Guerin | not by default |
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