| 00:00.28 | ircops_home | dpkg: you know everything |
| 00:00.29 | dpkg | I try. :) |
| 00:00.38 | MustangMatt | abrotman: aye yae yae!! Just came up with a $128,200 - $317,000 USD estimate. |
| 00:00.41 | ircops_home | okay, now I'm satisfied. |
| 00:01.17 | abrotman | MustangMatt: yeah .. they go a bit high .. try something from thier lower suggestinos |
| 00:01.18 | MustangMatt | abrotman: And that's for 3 hours of backup. I must have overstated the power useage. |
| 00:01.19 | abrotman | MustangMatt: i mean .. they really try to upsell you |
| 00:01.31 | abrotman | MustangMatt: obviously .. did you tell them you had 100 servers ? :) |
| 00:02.13 | abrotman | MustangMatt: they'll tell you to get an SU1400 for a laptop .. because some people will |
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| 00:02.58 | abrotman | MustangMatt: i got better results by being realistic .. and not inlcuding monitors,etc .. and being realistic about uptime |
| 00:03.13 | abrotman | my experience with power outages .. it's either 10-15 minutes .. or hours |
| 00:03.15 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Yah I'm going through it again now for a single server to see what they recommend. |
| 00:03.30 | abrotman | heh .. ok |
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| 00:03.58 | brekehan | what does it mean when I try to install nvidia driver with deb package nvidia-kernel-common and m-a returns error from m-a auto-install after a m-a prepare that : Error unable to determine PATHLEVEL |
| 00:04.03 | brekehan | err patchlevel |
| 00:04.14 | abrotman | at least that's the power in my office :) |
| 00:05.55 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Ah much nicer results... They're recommending SU2200s now. I can handle $2,000.00 much better than $128,000+! |
| 00:06.09 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:06.09 | cheal | brekehan: hum. I guess $ m-a build nvidia; fails too? |
| 00:06.10 | abrotman | yeah |
| 00:07.25 | buu | Ok, next question. How do I extract from a .7z (Seven zip?) file? |
| 00:07.45 | abrotman | buu: install it |
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| 00:08.10 | buu | abrotman: Install.. what? |
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| 00:08.18 | abrotman | buu: something undoes it .. but i'm not sure it's in sarge |
| 00:08.27 | buu | abrotman: well, I'm in unstable |
| 00:08.44 | abrotman | 7zip.org has source .. i thought it was packaged |
| 00:08.49 | buu | p7zip ! |
| 00:09.03 | abrotman | !7-zip |
| 00:09.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, 7-zip is a LGPL file archiver with high compression ratio that only runs on Redmond. Ports to other platforms are in the version 5 roadmap. reference implementation for the 7z format, or http://7-zip.org, or ask me about p7zip |
| 00:09.12 | linucks | hey, I'm havin a problem installing php4-mysql on debian 3.1r0a .. it seems to be broken (using apt-get install php4-mysql).. could anyone help me? *please* :/ |
| 00:09.17 | abrotman | buu: and apparently not in sarge |
| 00:09.28 | abrotman | stew: this game is stressful! |
| 00:09.38 | Guerin | i'm sure there's a nix 7zip |
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| 00:10.12 | Guerin | linucks: define broken |
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| 00:10.28 | cheal | linucks: define broken |
| 00:10.30 | linucks | sec, I'll paste. |
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| 00:10.34 | Guerin | no |
| 00:10.36 | ircops_home | no |
| 00:10.38 | ircops_home | heh |
| 00:10.40 | Guerin | !paster |
| 00:10.40 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 00:10.42 | ircops_home | paste == bad |
| 00:10.51 | kane___ | I just set my friend up with debian sarge.. and I can't use apt to install daaapd |
| 00:10.58 | Rounin | Hi! I'd like to try out Debian, but I'm not a huge fan of old software packages... The "testing" release... Does that use "unstable" packages by default, or what's different about it? |
| 00:11.05 | kane___ | do I need to add more sources to apt, and if so, which ones? |
| 00:11.08 | linucks | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 00:11.09 | linucks | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.09 | linucks | E: Broken packages |
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| 00:11.14 | linucks | (sorry for the paste) |
| 00:11.26 | Guerin | Rounin: no, it uses testing packages by default - they tend to be a few weeks behind unstable, but still current. |
| 00:11.27 | cheal | kane___: what's daaapd? |
| 00:11.33 | EdLin | Rounin: Sarge isn't that old, that reputation came from when Woody was 3 years old. |
| 00:11.33 | abrotman | linucks: apt-get update .. try again |
| 00:11.37 | kane___ | excuse me. daapd |
| 00:11.53 | Guerin | linucks: we told you not to fucking paste |
| 00:11.55 | cheal | kane___: is it packaged in Debian? |
| 00:11.56 | linucks | abrotman, alright, hold on.. thanks. |
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| 00:12.00 | linucks | Guerin, er I'm sorry. |
| 00:12.03 | Rounin | Aha... |
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| 00:12.11 | kane___ | Usually, as I understand it |
| 00:12.17 | kane___ | my old install of debian picked it up |
| 00:12.21 | d0ne | same hard drive..why would i have problem with sarge and not xp? |
| 00:12.22 | Rounin | So there's experimental... and unstable... and testing... and then stable? |
| 00:12.27 | kane___ | but as I understand it, sarge doesn't have a complete package list? |
| 00:12.33 | Guerin | Rounin: experimental doesn't exist. |
| 00:12.36 | Rounin | Oh I see |
| 00:12.40 | d0ne | do i need to do something to the hard drive to install sarge? |
| 00:12.40 | kane___ | perhaps it's unstable, or contributed? |
| 00:12.41 | abrotman | Rounin: people new to debian should always start with stable .. currently sarge |
| 00:12.42 | Rounin | So unstable, testing and stable then |
| 00:12.50 | Guerin | Rounin: Rounin right |
| 00:13.09 | Rounin | Well, let's say I've used ubuntu and about a zillion other Linux distros already, so I'd like to try my luck with some cutting-edge packages |
| 00:13.13 | cheal | kane___: there's a lot of unstable stuff in Debian. that wouldn't explain |
| 00:13.23 | Rounin | Anyway, thanks for the clarification |
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| 00:13.30 | abrotman | Rounin: i'd say to install sarge .. use it for a week . then if it's really too out of date for you .. upgrade .. |
| 00:13.37 | cheal | kane___: depends what you mean by "complete package list" |
| 00:13.40 | Rounin | All I have to do is update my apt-get repositories? |
| 00:14.01 | EdLin | Rounin: iyntays |
| 00:14.03 | kane___ | What package repositories could I add to get access to daapd? |
| 00:14.09 | cheal | kane___: $ apt-cache search daapd to see if it's in Debian |
| 00:14.18 | Rounin | EdLin: I'm not sure I know what that means... |
| 00:14.21 | abrotman | Rounin: it's a bit more involved than that .. which is why we tell people to start with stable |
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| 00:14.31 | EdLin | Rounin: if you need to ask you shouldn't |
| 00:14.31 | kane___ | nope |
| 00:14.40 | ircops_home | !tell Rounin about stable->testing |
| 00:14.40 | kane___ | but, I have seen it in other debian installs |
| 00:14.47 | Rounin | In other words, I shouldn't use sarge, cos I'll be trapped with old stoftware ;) |
| 00:14.50 | abrotman | ircops_home: don't do that |
| 00:14.55 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
| 00:14.55 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 00:15.03 | cheal | kane___: nobody can help you if it's not in Debian. google is your friend |
| 00:15.06 | ircops_home | abrotman: encouraging, eh? |
| 00:15.12 | Guerin | Rounin: hence my recommending testing initially |
| 00:15.24 | EdLin | Rounin: Sarge does not have "old software", unless software that is six months old has mysteriously stopped working well. |
| 00:15.25 | kane___ | well, could someone tell me exactly how I could add access to non-free and contriubed packages for sarge? |
| 00:15.28 | abrotman | ircops_home: unless you can help him if it goes badly .. it's a better idea not to recommend it yourself :) |
| 00:15.37 | abrotman | !tell kane___ about nonfree |
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| 00:15.40 | Rounin | EdLin: It always does in my experience :P |
| 00:15.40 | abrotman | !tell kane___ about contrib |
| 00:15.45 | ircops_home | abrotman: heh good point... :) |
| 00:15.59 | Rounin | Like, mplayer will lack some feature I need, bzflag won't be able to connect to the same servers as everyone else... |
| 00:16.10 | EdLin | Rounin: works well / bleeding edge. Take your pick, you can't have both. |
| 00:16.12 | Guerin | Rounin: mplayer's not in debian anyway |
| 00:16.14 | abrotman | Rounin: mplayer isn't in debian |
| 00:16.16 | Rounin | My input methods will be 6 months behind the newest versions |
| 00:16.20 | Rounin | abrotman: Uh-oh |
| 00:16.32 | abrotman | Rounin: you can get it .. but mplayer has patent issues |
| 00:16.45 | abrotman | so debian won't distribute it officially |
| 00:16.46 | libervisco | Is there a way to dist-upgrade sarge to etch, but only the base system and not absolutely everything, like selectively? |
| 00:16.50 | EdLin | !tell Rounin -about marillat |
| 00:16.54 | Guerin | libervisco: no. |
| 00:17.00 | abrotman | !tell libervisco about pinning |
| 00:17.06 | Rounin | Thanks, but I know about marillat... I almost got it working with Ubuntu a while ago |
| 00:17.14 | Guerin | i found my second clip that mplayer played worse than another player yesterday |
| 00:17.24 | libervisco | abrotman, Guerin ok thank you.. |
| 00:17.30 | Guerin | wmv9 - xine played it fine, mplayer it was blocky and choppy as a bastard |
| 00:17.34 | Rounin | Anyway, thanks for your help, everyone |
| 00:17.36 | kane___ | Ok, thank you. |
| 00:17.54 | libervisco | maybe it'll be better to strip my current install to basics and then upgrade that so I have less to download |
| 00:18.02 | abrotman | Guerin: must have been your dial up connection :) |
| 00:18.10 | Guerin | libervisco: unlikely. |
| 00:18.13 | Guerin | abrotman: heh. |
| 00:18.24 | libervisco | Guerin, well at least no KDE and GNOME :) |
| 00:18.31 | Guerin | libervisco: right. |
| 00:18.33 | libervisco | that's about 100 megs already :) |
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| 00:18.45 | Guerin | s/100/300/ |
| 00:18.45 | libervisco | I can get that later |
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| 00:18.46 | abrotman | libervisco: if you're going to install them anyways .. doens't make a difference |
| 00:18.51 | wtfscott | Hey |
| 00:18.55 | libervisco | hm.. well.. yeah :) |
| 00:19.09 | wtfscott | I was wondering, what's the most popular distro of linux? |
| 00:19.17 | wtfscott | I'm going to be selling linux over ebay |
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| 00:19.29 | Guerin | wtfscott: nobody knows. |
| 00:19.30 | abrotman | distrowatch.com |
| 00:19.32 | libervisco | I guess that's the best way to stay updated with debian then.. just dist upgrade all to etch and keep syncing daily :) |
| 00:19.47 | wtfscott | thanks abrotman |
| 00:20.02 | Guerin | libervisco: update and upgrade when you either: need a feature, or need a security patch |
| 00:20.23 | libervisco | Guerin, right |
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| 00:20.44 | wtfscott | ahhhhh, they sell linux CDs |
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| 00:20.57 | wtfscott | perfect, I won't have to go through the trouble of putting them on ebay and all that |
| 00:21.07 | wtfscott | just link my friends to distrowatch |
| 00:21.09 | wtfscott | thanks again |
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| 00:21.25 | abrotman | because i always sell my friends stuff on ebay |
| 00:21.30 | kane___ | How can I get mplayer? |
| 00:21.37 | abrotman | !tell kane___ about mplayer |
| 00:21.40 | abrotman | !tell kane___ about marillat |
| 00:21.42 | wtfscott | abrotman; you do? |
| 00:21.54 | Guerin | wtfscott: sounds like you do. |
| 00:21.55 | abrotman | EdLin: how does that sarcasm thing go again ? |
| 00:21.56 | scx | linuxpickups.com |
| 00:22.04 | EdLin | !SDNWOTN |
| 00:22.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, sdnwotn is Sarcasm Does Not Work On The Net |
| 00:22.11 | wtfscott | Guerin: I haven't yet |
| 00:22.14 | abrotman | thanks |
| 00:22.15 | wtfscott | but I was going to |
| 00:22.38 | wtfscott | I can't just mail CDs to all the people who want them on one of the forums I go to |
| 00:22.45 | abrotman | linuxcentral.com |
| 00:22.47 | scx | ooops sorry about that |
| 00:22.48 | wtfscott | so I figured I could link them to ebay to make it more organized |
| 00:23.26 | wtfscott | Apology accepted, scx |
| 00:23.28 | EdLin | cheapbytes.com |
| 00:23.47 | abrotman | there are dozens of places to buy linux distros online |
| 00:24.04 | reticent | !tell reticent about mplayer |
| 00:24.13 | wtfscott | I'm pissed, I have to take a dump again |
| 00:24.16 | abrotman | reticent: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 00:24.26 | wtfscott | this is like the fiftieth time today |
| 00:24.28 | reticent | thanks |
| 00:24.34 | abrotman | wtfscott: really .. we don't care |
| 00:24.45 | wtfscott | wtf |
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| 00:25.03 | abrotman | linuxcentral.com has sarge dvds ... |
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| 00:25.21 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Thanks for all the help. I've decided on the adaptec. Looks like it will do the job quite well. I'm out for now. |
| 00:25.22 | EdLin | abrotman: he's gone - thankfully. |
| 00:25.23 | r3tex | is arch/i386/boot/bzImage the same as vmlinuz? |
| 00:25.30 | r3tex | where do i find vmlinuz? |
| 00:25.53 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.55 | bob2 | you can boot a bzImage, yes |
| 00:25.57 | scx | cd /vmlinuz |
| 00:26.06 | abrotman | MustangMatt: hope it works well .. don't kill me if it doesn't :) |
| 00:26.06 | r3tex | *looking* |
| 00:26.17 | abrotman | MustangMatt: do a little googling before purchasing |
| 00:26.24 | r3tex | scx: is vmlinux the same as vmlinuz? |
| 00:26.28 | abrotman | EdLin: i was waiting for bob to get him again :) |
| 00:26.38 | bob2 | r3tex: no |
| 00:26.42 | r3tex | noo =P |
| 00:26.43 | r3tex | too big |
| 00:26.45 | bob2 | r3tex: also, the filename does not matter |
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| 00:27.28 | r3tex | bob2 theres no difference then between bzImage and vmlinuz? |
| 00:27.40 | bob2 | ? |
| 00:27.45 | bob2 | the filenames do not matter |
| 00:27.48 | r3tex | ok |
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| 00:28.19 | r3tex | initng was superfast on gentoo |
| 00:28.24 | r3tex | and debian boots faster than gentoo |
| 00:28.37 | r3tex | so debian should boot in 13 seconds with initng! =P |
| 00:28.42 | bob2 | with suspend-to-disk, you rarely reboot, anyway |
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| 00:29.57 | r3tex | bob2, but can you suspend-to-disk from X/ |
| 00:29.58 | r3tex | ? |
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| 00:30.15 | bob2 | sure |
| 00:30.16 | r3tex | and everything works like USB and stuff? |
| 00:30.20 | Roxport | I'm getting blinking scroll and caps lock while netinstall of debian. install seems to have stopped. |
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| 00:31.07 | kane___ | apt-get install daapd |
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| 00:36.46 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:36.46 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:37.35 | bob2 | Roxport: kernel panic |
| 00:40.40 | Roxport | oh |
| 00:41.00 | ircops_home | internet relay fax |
| 00:41.11 | Roxport | should I just reset computer and begin install again? it was installing debian base system (libgcc1) |
| 00:41.26 | abrotman | Roxport: you can try it |
| 00:41.33 | Roxport | ok |
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| 00:42.21 | r3tex | does debian not reccomend sun jdk or it's a licence thing? |
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| 00:43.59 | ircops_home | lol... cool factoid |
| 00:44.00 | ircops_home | !sun |
| 00:44.00 | dpkg | sun is, like, a big company that is every bit as evil as Microsoft when it gets the chance, and a Great Corruptor of Free software. See also Solaris, Java, sun hardware or StarOffice. . For help with Linux on SPARC look in #thinkgeek |
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| 00:44.39 | bob2 | r3tex: the license forbids debian from including it |
| 00:46.10 | tyranix | r3tex: licensing issue. You can either use a free software one (free-java-sdk) or install the non-free sun jdk manually (java-package). |
| 00:46.46 | EdLin | r3tex: /msg dpkg java |
| 00:47.20 | abrotman | install java |
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| 00:49.04 | tyranix | Is there a factoid about setting up suspend to disk/ram with a Debian image? |
| 00:49.28 | ircops_home | hehehe |
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| 00:50.22 | abrotman | !suspend |
| 00:50.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 00:51.15 | r3tex | tyranix: just that when i ran blackdown, certain things didn't run correctly |
| 00:51.19 | zburns_ | Installing 3.1r0 netinstall and having problems detecting D-Link DWL-G650 (Atheros). Is it possible? |
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| 00:51.28 | r3tex | tyranix: are they supposed to be completely the same? |
| 00:52.49 | abrotman | zburns_: yeah . after the install |
| 00:52.50 | abrotman | !madwifi |
| 00:52.51 | dpkg | [madwifi] http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 00:52.55 | tyranix | r3tex: From what I've read: no, they aren't the same. Suspend to disk will save the context to disk and turn off power. Suspend to ram will keep an image in ram which is low power but not off (faster to recover though). I wasn't sure if they were both supported. |
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| 00:53.07 | tyranix | r3tex: or wait, were you talking about java? |
| 00:53.18 | zburns_ | abrotman: thanks |
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| 00:55.30 | tyranix | abrotman: thanks |
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| 00:56.35 | abrotman | noone is here ... |
| 00:56.38 | jcurry | my xorg with dri breaks (it freezes with a black screen on startup) unless i use bustype pci (i have an agp radeon 9200se)...are my agp drivers borken? how do i fix them? i am using kernel 2.6.13.2 . |
| 00:56.42 | abrotman | someone sing me a song! |
| 00:56.44 | jcurry | abrotman, i'm here :) |
| 00:56.54 | jcurry | !sing |
| 00:56.54 | dpkg | from memory, sing is '\o Everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around '\o |
| 00:57.01 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 00:57.02 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 00:57.14 | jcurry | lol |
| 00:57.20 | abrotman | jcurry: which xorg are you using ? |
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| 00:57.55 | jcurry | abrotman, latest in sid |
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| 00:58.02 | jcurry | abrotman, not experimental :) |
| 00:58.05 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg sid |
| 00:58.08 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg experimental |
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| 00:58.13 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 5571 kB, Installed size: 15736 kB |
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| 00:58.22 | jcurry | the 6.8.2 one |
| 00:58.36 | abrotman | jcurry: the person to ask isn't here at the moment |
| 00:59.03 | jcurry | abrotman, out of curiosity, who is the person to ask? |
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| 00:59.19 | abrotman | gravity .. or #freedesktop |
| 00:59.31 | jcurry | maybe i'll try that channel |
| 00:59.32 | Lanix | if i need to set up a new port for ssh where shud i look in to ? what file cary's it |
| 00:59.43 | abrotman | man sshd_config |
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| 01:04.31 | nvz | eating this mac & cheese with my hamburger makes it like eating a cheese burger. |
| 01:04.40 | dregan_ | hi |
| 01:04.43 | abrotman | nvz: you're a sick sick girl! |
| 01:04.44 | jcurry | that seems accurate |
| 01:04.57 | jcurry | 'lo dregan_ |
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| 01:05.22 | ircops_home | latez y'all |
| 01:05.25 | ircops_home | =D |
| 01:05.27 | nvz | abrotman: if turkey burgers are called turkey burgers and deer burgers are called deer burgers, why are beef cow burgers called hamburgers? |
| 01:05.31 | dregan_ | On advice from the group I have installed ssh - but I still need to chroot users to their home directories - can anyone suggest the best/easiest way to do this please? |
| 01:05.32 | z1ng3r | haha, spermite |
| 01:05.33 | z1ng3r | lol |
| 01:05.47 | abrotman | nvz: pigburgers ? |
| 01:05.50 | Spermite | any one have a nvidia card in here, if so how did you install ur drivers |
| 01:05.58 | Spermite | z1ng3r =0) |
| 01:06.00 | abrotman | nvz: what's the german word for cow ? |
| 01:06.06 | z1ng3r | apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 01:06.12 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:06.13 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:06.17 | z1ng3r | Spermite hehe, nice nick :) |
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| 01:06.32 | jcurry | nvz, cause of the german city hamburg, where they were invented |
| 01:06.55 | abrotman | jcurry: that's horrible |
| 01:07.04 | jcurry | nvz, hotdogs are aka frabnkfurturs, those silly germans |
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| 01:07.16 | jcurry | abrotman, why? |
| 01:07.20 | abrotman | damn you .. you're right |
| 01:07.24 | boyRJ-QUERDOTADO | oioioio |
| 01:07.26 | abrotman | jcurry: wait .. did i play #trivia with you ? |
| 01:07.26 | jcurry | :) |
| 01:07.26 | Spermite | hmm didnt work.. |
| 01:07.36 | abrotman | nvz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger |
| 01:07.41 | jcurry | abrotman, yeah :) |
| 01:07.48 | abrotman | jcurry: wait .. i won! |
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| 01:07.55 | abrotman | no .. i kicked ass |
| 01:07.57 | jcurry | abrotman, yeah :) |
| 01:07.58 | nvz | jcurry: well I got no 'beef' with the hotdogs.. but they should have made their fuckin burgers out of pigs |
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| 01:09.34 | Spermite | anyone else .. i need some help with installling nvidia drivers |
| 01:09.38 | nvz | abrotman: does it mention the mac & cheese theory? |
| 01:09.44 | abrotman | Spermite: that method works for most peole |
| 01:10.02 | abrotman | nvz: no .. becuase mac and cheese is peruvian |
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| 01:10.17 | nvz | oh well, fuck em all |
| 01:10.20 | litage | does a jabber server [need to] initiate any outbound connections, or are all connections inbound? |
| 01:10.22 | jcurry | miss* |
| 01:10.23 | jcurry | :) |
| 01:10.35 | abrotman | jcurry: just that mac and cheese is peruvian |
| 01:10.46 | bob2 | litage: it will initiate connections to other servers |
| 01:10.46 | Guerin | litage: outbound would be necessary |
| 01:10.57 | abrotman | initiate ? |
| 01:10.57 | Guerin | litage: unless it's all in-house |
| 01:11.04 | Guerin | yes |
| 01:11.09 | abrotman | for s2s .. |
| 01:11.11 | litage | what about a private jabber server? |
| 01:11.16 | adrakoa | hi, i cannot use chroot, cannot ru command: '/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 01:11.32 | jcurry | adrakoa, sounds bad :) |
| 01:11.34 | bob2 | adrakoa: does the file exist in the chroot? |
| 01:11.35 | Guerin | litage: it'll initiate connections to any servers it needs to. if it doesn't need to go out, then ... |
| 01:11.36 | abrotman | jcurry: yeah .. i know .. who knew mac and cheese was peruvian |
| 01:11.40 | jcurry | adrakoa, what did you do? |
| 01:11.41 | bob2 | litage: don't think so |
| 01:11.43 | litage | adrakoa: try /bin/sh, which should be a symlink to your default shell |
| 01:11.49 | jcurry | abrotman, not that! |
| 01:11.52 | Guerin | man |
| 01:11.53 | litage | thanks guys |
| 01:11.59 | Guerin | this teacher just fucked off and left the class |
| 01:12.05 | Guerin | I wish I could get away with that |
| 01:12.07 | nvz | Guerin: What manual page do you want? |
| 01:12.17 | Guerin | 3rd graders running riot in the computer lab again |
| 01:12.26 | jcurry | sounds baad |
| 01:12.28 | abrotman | Guerin: it's running windows .. how bad can it get |
| 01:12.38 | Guerin | abrotman: <heh> |
| 01:12.44 | nvz | they got windows pcs? |
| 01:12.52 | adrakoa | jcurry , bob2 i probe to chroot /mnt/debian2 /bin/bash,sh,zsh,csh :).... |
| 01:12.59 | Guerin | nvz: omg, |
| 01:13.02 | Spermite | hmm i did, apt-get install nvidia-glx : and got Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package. E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate |
| 01:13.15 | Guerin | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:13.15 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 01:13.16 | bob2 | adrakoa: I don't know what that means |
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| 01:13.36 | abrotman | Guerin: i tried that .. he knows better |
| 01:13.42 | nvz | our school has all macs and its a digital school |
| 01:13.43 | Guerin | Spermite: you're stupid. |
| 01:13.46 | jcurry | i remember i when i had a computer class in hs...our teacher was a nut, and we wrote vb program in word to flash shit in big red letters all over her screen randomly...she flipped put |
| 01:13.49 | jcurry | out* |
| 01:13.57 | Guerin | nvz: i suppose you think that makes your skool better |
| 01:14.04 | Spermite | Guerin i know why you think im in here |
| 01:14.22 | bob2 | Spermite: the factoid explains how to solve your problem |
| 01:14.29 | adrakoa | bob2 i cannot use chroot.. i don't know why |
| 01:14.30 | Guerin | Spermite: i know why you're here: because you're too stupid to figure it out for yourself, but too smart to take advice. |
| 01:14.41 | nvz | puts them in the produce section, not the home-improvement section |
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| 01:14.59 | Guerin | oh wait, that should be "too stupid to take advice" |
| 01:15.09 | jcurry | :) |
| 01:15.32 | adrakoa | bob2 because it says what don't find /bin/bash .. |
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| 01:15.43 | bob2 | adrakoa: er, so look in the dir you're trying to chroot to |
| 01:15.51 | Guerin | abrotman: is there a shell inside your chroot |
| 01:15.51 | Guerin | ? |
| 01:16.03 | abrotman | Guerin: no .. the TP got rid of it |
| 01:16.47 | abrotman | adrakoa: what is your chroot directory? |
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| 01:17.16 | adrakoa | bob2 is empty , drwxr-xr-x, i probe too to cp the /bin/bash to the directory but nothing ( excuse for my english ) |
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| 01:17.20 | nvz | I wonder if one could trip a light sensor with a laser beam. |
| 01:17.30 | abrotman | why not? |
| 01:17.35 | Roxport | try with laser pointer? |
| 01:17.47 | nvz | I want to shut off that damn street light that shines in my yard :P |
| 01:18.01 | abrotman | nvz: you'd have to do it for a while |
| 01:18.22 | abrotman | nvz: just get a slingshot like a normal delinquent |
| 01:18.34 | nvz | heh |
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| 01:18.43 | adrakoa | abrotman is /dev/hdax mounted in /mnt/debian |
| 01:18.56 | abrotman | so does /mnt/debian/bin/bash exist ? |
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| 01:19.25 | nvz | a slingshot draws attention to the fact that it doesnt work and makes it able to be repaired |
| 01:19.38 | Guerin | adrakoa: to chroot into a directory, you at least need a functional shell. Bash-static might do on its own. |
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| 01:19.40 | abrotman | nvz: right .. 3 months from now :) |
| 01:19.46 | nvz | if I can trip the sensor on top I can shut the fuckers off and they wond know why it doesnt work |
| 01:20.30 | adrakoa | Guerin i don't understand, you can explain more please... |
| 01:20.35 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:20.52 | adrakoa | Guerin i probe with readelf, all looks all right |
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| 01:20.55 | nvz | besides its 2005 we are crazy now.. we use pipe bombs not sling shots |
| 01:21.24 | jcurry | nvz, you could climb up the pole, and put a little device on there that you rigged up earlier, a soloarpanel plus lightbulb contraption :) |
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| 01:21.30 | nvz | don't you watch the news? you could learn something |
| 01:21.34 | jcurry | nvz, *that* would be justice |
| 01:21.53 | bob2 | adrakoa: why are you trying to chroot to an empty dir? |
| 01:21.58 | bob2 | adrakoa: do you know what chroot is for? |
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| 01:22.29 | adrakoa | bob2 to install gentoo |
| 01:22.35 | nvz | haha |
| 01:22.39 | sean | how2 find ip ?? ?/ |
| 01:22.41 | Roxport | nvz: find a friendly civil engineer who knows about how they work. :) |
| 01:22.44 | abrotman | sean: ifconfig -a |
| 01:22.51 | buu | I chroot to an empty directory! |
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| 01:23.02 | bob2 | adrakoa: then you need to go to #gentoo, because this plan is not going to work |
| 01:23.05 | abrotman | buu: that will run very well .. and fast! |
| 01:23.25 | adrakoa | bob2 from livecd i can do this |
| 01:23.27 | sean | ls |
| 01:23.28 | abrotman | buu: what game are you playing ? |
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| 01:24.01 | bob2 | adrakoa: no, what you're doing will never work |
| 01:24.27 | nvz | if only we could tell that to everyone who tries to install gentoo |
| 01:24.40 | z1ng3r | does anybody know how i could remove exim4 from debian installer and include postfix and some other stuff to default install ? |
| 01:25.04 | nvz | at least then we could laugh and tell them I told you so later. |
| 01:25.14 | abrotman | install psotfix after the install is done ? |
| 01:25.15 | z1ng3r | maybe u can tell the right keywords to search in google? :) |
| 01:25.27 | Guerin | adrakoa: you need at least a shell inside the dir. When you run chroot /foo /bin/sh; it runs /bin/sh INSIDE /foo - if it's nhot there, it won't run |
| 01:25.30 | nvz | z1ng3r: debian requires an mta if you want to use another you can, but you cant just outright remove it without a replacement |
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| 01:25.56 | abrotman | he just wants postfix installed instead of exim .. from the installer |
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| 01:26.03 | convidado | when I speak in skype I do not listen to the person when I listen I do not obtain to speak |
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| 01:26.16 | roo9 | who would use postfix instead of exim? that's like eating poo instead of caviar |
| 01:26.19 | adrakoa | bob2 ok, but chroot works? but not? because is a empty directory? i probe to mount -t proc none into the directory too, but nothing.... |
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| 01:26.22 | abrotman | roo9: i do .. |
| 01:26.22 | nvz | installing a replacement forces removal |
| 01:26.23 | Guerin | convidado: skype is not in debian. Get support from them. |
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| 01:26.36 | adrakoa | Guerin this probe before... don't works |
| 01:26.37 | buu | abrotman: Hrm? I wasn't playing a game |
| 01:26.42 | abrotman | buu: dgen! |
| 01:26.45 | bob2 | adrakoa: you're showing us that you don't know what chroot does |
| 01:26.48 | buu | abrotman: Oh, I played some gunstar hero |
| 01:26.50 | z1ng3r | Guerin why skype is not in debian ? |
| 01:26.51 | convidado | Guerin, yes |
| 01:26.53 | bob2 | adrakoa: chroot just resets what / is |
| 01:26.54 | nvz | I'd probably rather have the poo at least I would be expecting it to taste like shit. |
| 01:26.58 | Guerin | adrakoa: hey. Forget about 'probe'. Just put a damn shell inside theer. |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | buu: i was playing OOTW a few weeks ago |
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| 01:27.00 | z1ng3r | apt-get install skype-static |
| 01:27.07 | Guerin | z1ng3r: because it's proprietary? |
| 01:27.10 | bob2 | adrakoa: if you hope to chroot into a directory, that directory had better contain a basic unix system for you to run in |
| 01:27.10 | buu | abrotman: Sorry, don't recognize the acronym |
| 01:27.16 | abrotman | Out Of This World |
| 01:27.17 | nvz | wouldnt have to pay good money for an aquired taste in crap |
| 01:27.27 | abrotman | buu: one of the best games .. PC/Genesis .. evar! :) |
| 01:27.35 | abrotman | buu: MyTuba!!! |
| 01:27.47 | buu | abrotman: Really? I'm getting shining force now |
| 01:27.52 | abrotman | mytuba! |
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| 01:28.02 | Guerin | adrakoa: if you can't figure this out, you're extremely unlikely to make gentoo work. |
| 01:28.02 | z1ng3r | Guerin and that's all? |
| 01:28.14 | Guerin | z1ng3r: isn't that enough? |
| 01:28.19 | z1ng3r | for me - not |
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| 01:28.48 | adrakoa | bob2 i don't know anything because this reason i came here.. sorry if my words seem not friendly ( thanks ), i think in a root session i can to do a root directory idenpendient |
| 01:28.48 | Guerin | z1ng3r: can skype be legally redistributed by third parties, without obligation? |
| 01:28.55 | abrotman | buu: http://mytuba.ytmnd.com/ |
| 01:29.06 | z1ng3r | i don't care |
| 01:29.19 | Guerin | z1ng3r: ... |
| 01:29.21 | z1ng3r | if u need it - use it, if u don't need it ... |
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| 01:29.36 | Guerin | z1ng3r: but if debian can't legally distribute it ... then ... |
| 01:29.48 | bob2 | adrakoa: what is your native language? |
| 01:29.49 | abrotman | buu: about .. the second portion of the game .. that big polar bear looking thing stands up and says "MyTuba" .. which i actually heard a few weeks ago when i was playing GTA3 as one of the noises the pedestrians make |
| 01:29.51 | z1ng3r | then use alternati soft |
| 01:29.56 | adrakoa | bob2 spanish |
| 01:30.00 | z1ng3r | s/alternati/alternative |
| 01:30.03 | abrotman | gizmodo |
| 01:30.04 | Guerin | z1ng3r: there is no alternative skype client. |
| 01:30.06 | buu | abrotman: You are insane! |
| 01:30.08 | nvz | someone was in here talking about a free alternative to skype not long ago |
| 01:30.08 | Guerin | well |
| 01:30.11 | z1ng3r | ye, right, lol |
| 01:30.15 | z1ng3r | there is! |
| 01:30.15 | bob2 | !+es |
| 01:30.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:30.20 | z1ng3r | wait a second |
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| 01:30.27 | Guerin | there are alternative voip/sip clients, but they're not skype. |
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| 01:30.40 | wu_ | gnomemeting ? |
| 01:30.45 | adrakoa | es_ES@euro/ISO-8859-1 |
| 01:30.49 | Guerin | wu_: is it skype? No. |
| 01:30.58 | wu_ | nope |
| 01:31.00 | wu_ | voip |
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| 01:31.09 | adrakoa | bob2 the problem the another day i could do this, but now i cannot |
| 01:31.26 | abrotman | buu: i am not .. it was a fun game :) |
| 01:31.29 | Guerin | wu_: so my point stands. |
| 01:31.38 | abrotman | buu: it's a decently hard puzzle-esque game |
| 01:31.41 | z1ng3r | Guerin |
| 01:31.42 | z1ng3r | http://dev.openwengo.com/trac/openwengo/trac.cgi/wiki/WengoPhoneNG |
| 01:31.45 | z1ng3r | have a look |
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| 01:32.06 | Guerin | zinx: is it skype? |
| 01:32.16 | z1ng3r | alternative to skype |
| 01:32.33 | z1ng3r | u said that there is no alternatives... |
| 01:32.42 | wu_ | but skype does work on linux |
| 01:32.54 | EdLin | !u |
| 01:32.54 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 01:33.03 | z1ng3r | and why my skype works?!? |
| 01:33.03 | abrotman | buu: but if you do play it .. absoltely write down the =save codes |
| 01:33.04 | wu_ | i dont understand what you are looking for |
| 01:33.07 | z1ng3r | on linux ;) |
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| 01:33.23 | Guerin | z1ng3r: i said there wqere no alternative clients... not that there were no other voip/sip/h.323 clients, of which this appears to be YA |
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| 01:33.37 | golly | how do I activate NFS to share a drive to another linux machine? It's greyed out! |
| 01:33.49 | wu_ | http://skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb |
| 01:33.54 | Guerin | wu_: z1ng3r complained that skype wasn't in debian. I explained why. |
| 01:34.01 | Guerin | wu_: not IN debian. |
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| 01:34.10 | Guerin | how is any of this hard to understand? |
| 01:34.14 | wu_ | O |
| 01:34.16 | wu_ | ok |
| 01:34.31 | abrotman | gizmodo! |
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| 01:34.37 | golly | how do I activate NFS to share a drive to another linux machine? It's greyed out so I can't share drives other than with SAmba |
| 01:34.42 | abrotman | wait .. not gizmodo |
| 01:34.45 | abrotman | what is it called ? |
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| 01:35.35 | abrotman | oh .. just gizmo |
| 01:35.50 | nvz | yeah that was it |
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| 01:37.42 | golly | Anyone tell me how can I activate NFS sharing on a folder? It's greyed out so I can't share drives other than with SAmba |
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| 01:38.40 | Jurples | how do i set permissions so that i can use xmms in user? |
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| 01:38.53 | Guerin | golly: install nfs-common, nfs-kernel-server, portmap; edit /etc/exports and /etc/hosts.* if necessary |
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| 01:38.58 | Guerin | !nfs howto |
| 01:39.46 | Guerin | !nfs howto is see http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/ |
| 01:39.47 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 01:39.50 | nvz | I' |
| 01:40.03 | nvz | d say hes going for the clicky-clicky method |
| 01:40.19 | nvz | the "greyed out" was a hint |
| 01:40.20 | golly | yeah I'm GUI all the way |
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| 01:40.43 | nvz | golly: all the way to the store? buy yourself a copy of windows while you're out |
| 01:40.56 | golly | nvz : funy |
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| 01:41.11 | cheal | Jurples: permissions for using the sound devices? |
| 01:41.13 | Guerin | i don't believe there are any usable nfs setup utils in debian, but it's not hard once you have those packages installed |
| 01:41.20 | Jurples | yea, but how? |
| 01:41.27 | [Cadet] | golly: Might add a dictionary to the shopping list too |
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| 01:41.44 | mick | hi everyone- I'm curious as to how i can use a non-threaded version of perl |
| 01:41.57 | nvz | tonight, friar's club roast of golly :P |
| 01:41.58 | mick | i tried dpkg-reconfigure perl - but that does nothing |
| 01:42.08 | nvz | smart asses ;) |
| 01:42.20 | cheal | Jurples: the user needs to be in the audio group |
| 01:42.25 | khanman | is there a deb for the proxim gold ornico 11a/b/g wireless cards? |
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| 01:43.21 | Jurples | The user 'user' is already a member of audio. |
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| 01:43.48 | nvz | Jurples: which debian-based live cd are you using here? |
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| 01:44.11 | xixor | khanman : I had trouble with a proxim gold orinoco card just recently, it was just 802.11b though, so hopefull yours fares better. I think that it should use the orinoco driver, try modprobe orinoco |
| 01:44.37 | khanman | tnx xixor |
| 01:44.39 | golly | nvz, Cadet.... precisely what Debain developers despise the most.....narky responses. |
| 01:44.52 | adrakoa | bob2 a read a little more... i must install the libraries too, sorry for the ask |
| 01:44.53 | golly | turns users away |
| 01:45.10 | xixor | khanman, : also, get the wireless-tools package.. I am not sure which package specifically has the drivers though.. probably should just come with the kernel |
| 01:45.34 | xixor | khanman, : I ended up buying a new card, a linksys 54G or something, and using ndiswrapper for the drivers |
| 01:45.47 | Jurples | dunno anything about live cds, im using debian woody with kernel 2.6.13.2 |
| 01:46.06 | EdLin | Jurples: woody doesn't support 2.6 kernels |
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| 01:46.41 | EdLin | Jurples: not only that, I'm not even sure if 2.6.13.2 is a Debian kernel even in unstable |
| 01:47.24 | mick | :-/ |
| 01:47.41 | khanman | xixor, spent about 2 weeks trying to get madwifi to compile successfully on this laptop...finally got it to work...now i need a driver for the ornico card...have used ndiswraper b4....maybe ill try it for this card..tnx |
| 01:47.43 | EdLin | (stable Debian = Sarge, supports 2.6 kernels) |
| 01:47.49 | cheal | EdLin: it's not |
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| 01:48.09 | cheal | Jurples: did you say you are "using debian woody with kernel 2.6.13.2"? |
| 01:48.37 | EdLin | cheal: I think Jurples is lying about what he's running to get help on the Debian distro channel. |
| 01:48.49 | Jurples | cheal: yes |
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| 01:50.02 | reter | where is the printer option in debian? |
| 01:50.21 | khanman | funny for some reason i thought this was a widely supported chipset |
| 01:50.25 | cheal | Jurples: you realize that you should find some time to regularize that box's situation, right? |
| 01:50.42 | EdLin | reter: Debian offers BSD lp, but you can install CUPS or lprng if you prefer. |
| 01:50.43 | Jurples | hm? what does that mean |
| 01:50.45 | reter | what pkg can i get for a printer? |
| 01:50.46 | itp560 | how can I reset the root passwd if i use grub |
| 01:51.06 | cheal | Jurples: upgrade to sarge? why do you need 2.6.13 ? |
| 01:51.10 | reter | i installed footmatic-gui and the printing is inlegible |
| 01:51.15 | itp560 | when I pass single it ask for the passwd again |
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| 01:51.55 | EdLin | reter: I use apsfilter + lp here, but I've used CUPS successfully before - I use a HP inkjet so I use hpijs |
| 01:51.58 | cheal | listkeys password |
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| 01:52.02 | cevizoglu | reter, that's because footmatic takes a much smaller footprint. what you need is foomatic |
| 01:52.07 | cevizoglu | reter, j/k |
| 01:52.10 | cheal | crap |
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| 01:52.25 | EdLin | cheal: passwd: |
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| 01:53.45 | reter | lprng is a command line? |
| 01:54.02 | EdLin | reter: sure, it's like lp. |
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| 01:54.17 | EdLin | reter: but programs often use it with GUI interfaces. |
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| 01:54.43 | nvz | what is a GUI interface? |
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| 01:54.49 | EdLin | reter: CUPS has a web-based configurator - maybe you'd be more comfortable with that. |
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| 01:54.53 | mhall | Hello. How do I unpack a dpkg deb and change the version of something it depends on? |
| 01:54.57 | LinuxGold | debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso didn't work. |
| 01:55.01 | EdLin | nvz: like when firefox prints something |
| 01:55.02 | LinuxGold | Failed on "Install Base System" |
| 01:55.16 | mhall | LinuxGold: There are _a lot_ of ISOs called that. |
| 01:55.17 | reter | edlin, how can i get into cups? |
| 01:55.19 | nvz | apt, GUI |
| 01:55.21 | apt | gui is, like, (Graphical User Interface) Any system that uses graphics to represent the functions of a program. All Windows operating systems are GUI. or point-and-drool, double-click, drag-and-drop, ... or at http://pla-netx.com/linebackn/guis/index.html. Of course Real Programmers use the command line interface. See cli |
| 01:55.21 | mhall | LinuxGold: Which one have you got? |
| 01:55.36 | mhall | !tell me about cli |
| 01:55.39 | nvz | Graphical User Interface Interface? |
| 01:55.58 | LinuxGold | no GUI |
| 01:56.01 | reter | i dont see cups anywhere |
| 01:56.05 | reter | i only see cups job |
| 01:56.14 | LinuxGold | it said that it was missing some kind of scripting file. |
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| 01:56.21 | LinuxGold | it says "Install Base System" |
| 01:56.21 | EdLin | reter: localhost:631 |
| 01:56.23 | nvz | apt-get install cupsys |
| 01:56.23 | TwistedEmotions | Weeee I am back |
| 01:56.29 | reter | what? |
| 01:56.32 | LinuxGold | It got network set, formatted hard drive, mounted as / |
| 01:56.39 | LinuxGold | then failed when trying to install base files. |
| 01:56.41 | nvz | then goto http://localhost:631 |
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| 01:56.49 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: No inet for 4 days ;( |
| 01:56.52 | mhall | nvz: My ATM machine has a beautiful GUI interface. |
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| 01:57.05 | nvz | mhall: Graphical User Interface Interface? |
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| 01:57.48 | nvz | isnt a GUI interface otherwise known as a monitor? |
| 01:58.06 | EdLin | nvz: maybe he means DCOP, a cli GUI interface |
| 01:58.12 | litage | which port(s) does the host command use? only dns (53)? |
| 01:58.15 | dondelelcaro | a book could be a GUI... |
| 01:58.20 | LinuxGold | erm? |
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| 01:58.24 | LinuxGold | what can I do? |
| 01:58.28 | TwistedEmotions | true . . . |
| 01:58.30 | cheal | !tell itp560 about i forgot root's password |
| 01:58.44 | nvz | like JUGS magazine |
| 01:59.11 | mhall | nvz: YHBT |
| 01:59.23 | darkcmd | how can I see how Debian modified the GNU Emacs package? |
| 01:59.23 | nvz | bah |
| 01:59.39 | nvz | fumanchu |
| 01:59.56 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: look at the diff.gz |
| 02:00.16 | darkcmd | ok, can that be looked at on packages.d.o |
| 02:00.46 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: yes. |
| 02:00.59 | darkcmd | cool thanks :D |
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| 02:02.38 | darkcmd | ok, at least it isn't heavily modified |
| 02:03.51 | mhall | How do I check to make sure I have all of the build deps for a particular debian source package in an automatic fashion? |
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| 02:04.09 | dererk | Hi! Greetings everyone! |
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| 02:04.44 | dondelelcaro | mhall: apt-get build-dep foo; |
| 02:04.57 | dondelelcaro | mhall: or use pbuilder or sbuild or similar. |
| 02:05.10 | darkcmd | I don't really like it when the packages are massively modified |
| 02:05.35 | dondelelcaro | not much that can be done about it; sometimes upstream is dead. |
| 02:05.40 | dondelelcaro | or sometimes upstream is insane... |
| 02:05.54 | dererk | Is there any way in which I could check the status (bad blocks and that stuff) of a hdd? |
| 02:05.56 | darkcmd | dondelelcaro, is that to me? |
| 02:06.03 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: yes. |
| 02:06.18 | amphi | dererk: smartctl perhaps |
| 02:06.27 | darkcmd | what do you mean, they hack the package to work with the debian environment |
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| 02:07.10 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: no, in many cases they fix upstream insanity... often upstream developers have no clue how sonames work, or how things should behave in a POSIX fashion, etc. |
| 02:07.11 | dererk | amphi, Do you know if I have to umount the device before running smartctl? |
| 02:07.15 | cheal | dererk: # badblocks; ? |
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| 02:07.42 | amphi | dererk: no, you don't |
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| 02:08.47 | amphi | dererk: it can run some of the test while it's mounted |
| 02:08.51 | dererk | I have a Hdd which somebody labeled with a marker which says "to check", the guy borrow me for a time and I don't know if it's damaged, cheal |
| 02:08.57 | darkcmd | dondelelcaro, so the packages are sometimes edited to not behave in a posix fashion, or they don't end up behaving that way? |
| 02:09.04 | mhall | I'm having some issues with Konsole not displaying proper Unicode characters even when it's in Unicode mode and my locale is Unicode. What should I do? |
| 02:09.15 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: the other way around |
| 02:09.33 | darkcmd | oh, the packages don't behave in a POSIX fashion, and Debian makes them? |
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| 02:09.40 | darkcmd | by editing the code, and such |
| 02:09.49 | adrakoa | thx bye |
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| 02:09.57 | dererk | amphi, I going to take a look the the man page right now... thanks a lot ?=¬) |
| 02:10.04 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: yes; or they don't follow LSB, or they don't follow FHS... or any other of the myriad of things that upstreams don't necessarily think about |
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| 02:10.14 | mhall | dondelelcaro: FHS? |
| 02:10.19 | mhall | !tell me about FHS |
| 02:10.21 | amphi | dererk: pleasure |
| 02:10.23 | darkcmd | File Hierarchy Standard |
| 02:10.29 | z1ng3r | oh, 5.08 AM , good luck all |
| 02:10.30 | darkcmd | I believe |
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| 02:10.55 | mhall | dondelelcaro: Is FHS general, Debian-specific, Linux-specific or what? |
| 02:11.01 | mhall | z1ng3r: eastern europe? |
| 02:11.15 | z1ng3r | yes, Baltic Sea, Latvia |
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| 02:11.35 | persacom | Hi. I was wondering how small a linux filesystem can be. i mean without any tools just gcc,binutils,glibc(and the kernel). I mean even without any type of shell. Does someone know? |
| 02:12.25 | mhall | z1ng3r: yeah; i figured; it's 7:12 pm here in CA.US |
| 02:12.28 | darkcmd | persacom, I don't believe that is possible |
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| 02:12.53 | persacom | darkcmd:why not? |
| 02:13.01 | Coweater | you want gcc but no shell? |
| 02:13.06 | mage | (19:12:48) kyley: Firefox and webmail.shaw.ca cannot communicate securely because they have no common encryption algorithms |
| 02:13.13 | cheal | persacom: a linux filesystem doesn't need gcc |
| 02:13.16 | z1ng3r | mhall cool ;) and after some hours i'm going to wake up and go to my sysadmin's work :) |
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| 02:13.51 | mage | debian firefox doesn't do 56bit encryption these days? |
| 02:13.52 | cheal | mhall: only konsole? not your tty-s or others (xterm, etc.)? |
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| 02:14.25 | darkcmd | mage, was that feature removed? |
| 02:14.41 | mage | i dunno, maybe my firefox is screwed up |
| 02:14.52 | mhall | z1ng3r: ah, what kind of admin |
| 02:14.55 | persacom | what if I wanted to compile on this machine and nothing more than compile. and I just needed the base.(because this filesystem would be living in the RAM of the system) |
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| 02:14.59 | mhall | cheal: hmm let me try xterm -u8 |
| 02:15.30 | mage | darkcmd: firefox 1.0.4 on http://webmail.shaw.ca/ give it a whirl if you have firefox on a debian box |
| 02:15.41 | mage | also please and thanks :) |
| 02:15.53 | dvs | persacom: You still need a shell to compile |
| 02:16.30 | persacom | Do i? |
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| 02:17.28 | persacom | There must be a way..(like via network or something..) |
| 02:17.47 | darkcmd | heh |
| 02:18.08 | z1ng3r | mhall i'm admin at some big place, where people make newspapers (i don't know how it call in English ;) ) and there are servers on *nix and workstations on win,*nix and MAC, usually I'm working at servers, but sometimes not ;) and on our *nix'es there are a lot of useful daemons for work (nfs, samba, appletalk (netatalk), dns, web, mail, dhcp, fw, ids and so on) :) |
| 02:18.32 | mage | publications? like newspapers and magazines? |
| 02:18.38 | z1ng3r | yep |
| 02:18.45 | amphi | ugh, netatalk |
| 02:18.56 | mhall | z1ng3r: lots to do |
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| 02:19.36 | z1ng3r | mhall and that's not all I do, i'm administrating few hosting servers on bsd |
| 02:19.41 | z1ng3r | and so on... |
| 02:19.47 | z1ng3r | a lot to do everyday |
| 02:19.54 | dererk | Bye now |
| 02:19.57 | dererk | ?=¬) |
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| 02:20.20 | mage | hey can someone with debian stable and firefox try https://webmail.shaw.ca please? |
| 02:20.36 | phreak | Any of you guys know of a reverse proxy that has integrated features for generating graphs and makeing pretty logs, summaries etc? Opensource or not, but it has to work in Debian. I tried Sun's Web Proxy, but the setup was linked against some lib I didn't exist and tricking it didn't work. |
| 02:20.42 | z1ng3r | the last thing i did was raid5 lvm volumes identical copy to another raid5 :) |
| 02:21.34 | z1ng3r | and it work after compiling kernel few times, flashing bios and fucking up mbr ;) |
| 02:22.25 | amphi | mage: 'they have no common encryption algorithms' |
| 02:22.48 | darkcmd | it doesn't do that on windows |
| 02:22.53 | mage | yea I know |
| 02:22.55 | darkcmd | is the a bug in the debian package |
| 02:22.58 | darkcmd | there |
| 02:23.02 | darkcmd | since the code is modified under debian |
| 02:23.09 | darkcmd | and it doesn't do that with mozillas version |
| 02:23.27 | mage | darn i was hoping debian would be normal |
| 02:23.30 | bob2 | phreak: apache |
| 02:23.36 | mage | not all weirdo like gentoo :-/ |
| 02:24.25 | darkcmd | mage, well they do modify packages pretty heavily, from what I hear |
| 02:24.36 | mage | oh yay |
| 02:24.36 | darkcmd | I love debian, but tend to dislike some of the branding |
| 02:24.44 | z1ng3r | ok, bye folks |
| 02:24.51 | phreak | bob2: Well yeah, but that ain't any better then pound, I'd like to have something complete. I'm to lazy to setup webalizer or whatever. |
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| 02:25.07 | bob2 | phreak: hm? |
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| 02:25.30 | bob2 | you want a reverse proxy that ships with a graph generator? |
| 02:25.31 | Kupal[]__ | anyone ever been to costa-rica? |
| 02:25.43 | phreak | bob2: Yeah, kind of. |
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| 02:25.54 | Kupal[]__ | a reverse proxy? |
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| 02:26.20 | Kupal[]__ | sounds like iptables stuff, with hit counters... |
| 02:26.35 | bob2 | well, good luck |
| 02:26.48 | phreak | Ok ;) |
| 02:27.01 | Kupal[]__ | i have no idea what a reverse proxy is tho.. but it sounds like something like that.. |
| 02:27.02 | scarynetworkguy | Kupal[]__: Nope. Nobody it's an empty wasteland devoid of all human life. |
| 02:27.15 | Kupal[]__ | scary: I hear its nice there.. |
| 02:27.21 | Kupal[]__ | scary: wikipedia it. |
| 02:27.33 | Kupal[]__ | just looking for personal insight tho.. |
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| 02:28.14 | dondelelcaro | mage: what encryption is that site even using? |
| 02:28.26 | mage | well it was 56bit |
| 02:28.30 | jaaro | hi there. Is there anything in debian reps I can use to grab videosequence from my machine? To be exact - from a specified region/window in a certain session using certain wm (kde). |
| 02:28.33 | mage | they might have changed it |
| 02:28.50 | darkcmd | dondelelcaro, I don't get that error on other distros firefoxes |
| 02:29.06 | predius_ | Hey, I have some fonts which should work with urxvt, but they give me an error. I can see them in xfontsel. |
| 02:29.08 | Estes | Hi everyone ! i got a problem with alsa... i got my sound card module loaded, i can see it in lsmod, it is the good one. i am in the audio group and as if it wasn't enough, i try running xmms as root to get over rights problems... but still not sound :( anyone ? |
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| 02:29.39 | amphi | Estes: is the card muted? check with alsamixer perhaps |
| 02:29.58 | Estes | but to notice, xmms tells me to select the good sound driver alsa or oss but none works... |
| 02:30.14 | Estes | amphi, i think i got a deeper problem |
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| 02:30.22 | Estes | ill check though |
| 02:30.23 | mhall | cheal: I've tried Konsole, xterm -u8, and xemacs21. All are missing a great percentage of my UTF8 test file. |
| 02:30.48 | Estes | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 02:30.49 | Guerin | mhall: rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 02:30.58 | Guerin | mhall: which test file, out of interest? |
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| 02:30.59 | mhall | Guerin: ? |
| 02:31.00 | Guerin | aarg |
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| 02:31.32 | mage | RC-4 |
| 02:31.36 | mhall | Guerin: here: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt |
| 02:31.39 | cheal | mhall: you mean the same percentage, right? |
| 02:31.44 | mage | err RC4-40 |
| 02:31.46 | mhall | Guerin: Firefox is the best so far. |
| 02:31.55 | mhall | cheal: No they can't seem to agree on what percentage to butcher! |
| 02:32.12 | cheal | mhall: I see |
| 02:32.51 | cheal | heh, not really great solution to switch vterm just for UTF8 |
| 02:32.54 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: that's because they've got a different set of defaults |
| 02:33.30 | dondelelcaro | mage: visit about:config; and enable RC4-40 |
| 02:33.30 | mhall | I just wish I understood how to get Unicode working properly. |
| 02:34.11 | Estes | humm |
| 02:34.28 | Estes | but i loaded with sound driver with modprobe... should be the good one |
| 02:34.34 | cheal | mhall: I never got it working well here. I didn't read about it neither |
| 02:34.46 | mhall | I read a lot. |
| 02:34.50 | mhall | Didn't help though. |
| 02:34.52 | cheal | s/Unicode/UTF-8 |
| 02:35.24 | mage | hmm its a tad user unfriendly to disable it by default :-/ |
| 02:35.29 | mhall | I think all of these Unicode encodings are stupid. |
| 02:35.48 | mhall | They ought to just suck it up and use 32 bits for weird languages and 16 for normal languages. |
| 02:35.54 | mhall | This system is too fucking complex. |
| 02:36.01 | dondelelcaro | UTF8 isn't all that complex... |
| 02:36.16 | mhall | It sure is to me when I try to write good XML processing code. |
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| 02:36.47 | dondelelcaro | you should be using a parser that can handle parsing XML in different encodings |
| 02:36.47 | mhall | It's also impossible to use with standard string libraries because they are all based on the idea of one character memory unit representing a real character. |
| 02:36.59 | dondelelcaro | and you use ... a real string library... |
| 02:37.04 | cheal | hehe, I'm not sure They will agree with that |
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| 02:37.33 | dondelelcaro | one that understands the difference between bytes and characters |
| 02:37.34 | mhall | dondelelcaro: That's find if 1) you have time to use a parser, and 2) you can actually find documentation on how. |
| 02:37.46 | mhall | I spent months on the issue and did not have much luck. |
| 02:37.58 | mhall | Also, it's painful how much shit you've got to install to get it right. |
| 02:38.00 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* I just write the code in perl, and there's no problem, assuming perl >> 5.6 |
| 02:38.21 | mhall | Yeah, where I worked, you were not allowed to install stuff. |
| 02:38.29 | mhall | So it makes life pretty difficult. |
| 02:38.30 | dondelelcaro | where you worked is insane |
| 02:38.39 | mhall | And even now that I'm back on my own and I can install stuff, |
| 02:38.49 | mhall | I still haven't figured out what to install to get this shit to work. |
| 02:38.52 | gberardi | I recently apt-get upgraded, and days later I find that I can't build a C++ project. It says undefined reference to std::basic_string. Did something break in the last update, or should I look somewhere else? |
| 02:39.23 | debian_newbie88 | how to remove user & group? |
| 02:39.41 | mhall | debian_newbie88: userdel; groupdel |
| 02:39.46 | mhall | debian_newbie88: rm user's home |
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| 02:40.00 | debian_newbie88 | thanks. |
| 02:40.04 | mhall | gberardi: odd |
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| 02:40.55 | darkcmd | doesn't deluser, or userdel -r remove the home dir? |
| 02:41.05 | markw_ | yes |
| 02:41.34 | gberardi | mhall: Ok, so it's probably just me then, huh? B-\ |
| 02:41.37 | mhall | darkcmd: i just always used plain userdel and hand-deleted it after i noticed it didn't disappear |
| 02:41.50 | mhall | gberardi: well I code a LOT of C++ and use string for all strings |
| 02:41.56 | mhall | gberardi: and it still works |
| 02:42.07 | debian_newbie88 | If you hand-delete? |
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| 02:42.14 | mhall | gberardi: how about <string> not being included or a namespace problem |
| 02:42.29 | debian_newbie88 | can del user from passwd file? |
| 02:42.30 | gberardi | Ok. It might be something to do with the library I am using. "/usr/lib/libkyra.so: undefined reference to" |
| 02:42.37 | gberardi | But I didn't change anything |
| 02:42.45 | mhall | gberardi: odd |
| 02:42.51 | mhall | gberardi: maybe library is broken |
| 02:42.55 | mhall | gberardi: check bugs.d.o |
| 02:43.01 | gberardi | except update. B-) |
| 02:43.05 | gberardi | bugs.d.o? |
| 02:43.07 | mhall | gberardi: or better yet bugs.d.o/packagename |
| 02:43.12 | mhall | gberardi: bugs.debian.org |
| 02:43.31 | roby | Why is Gaim at 1.2 still? |
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| 02:44.02 | mhall | roby: er, hmm, try looking in BTS |
| 02:44.05 | xerophyte | how can i find the current mask |
| 02:44.07 | mhall | roby: perhaps a bug is filed |
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| 02:44.27 | xerophyte | for the user |
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| 02:44.31 | xerophyte | i mean chmod mask |
| 02:44.34 | roby | mhall: ok |
| 02:44.54 | mhall | xerophyte: umask with no mask argument |
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| 02:47.08 | cheal | roby: in which release? |
| 02:47.20 | xerophyte | mhall, thx is that direcotry or does it apply for file and direcotry |
| 02:47.36 | mhall | xerophyte: well it actually applies to everything |
| 02:47.42 | roby | cheal: doh, stable, i see the problem :) |
| 02:47.45 | mhall | xerophyte: but it's backwards of what the default chmod is |
| 02:47.55 | mhall | xerophyte: it says what bits should be disabled be default |
| 02:48.01 | mhall | xerophyte: not which ones should be enabled |
| 02:48.21 | mhall | xerophyte: the reason you have it is so stuff is not made world rwx by default |
| 02:48.34 | mhall | xerophyte: and only rx for group i believe |
| 02:48.44 | cheal | roby: :) |
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| 02:49.25 | cheal | mhall: GTK 2.7, eh? |
| 02:49.25 | mhall | bbiab must go meet with some police |
| 02:49.40 | mhall | cheal: yeah from experimental O.o |
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| 02:49.51 | cheal | mhall: isn't that 2.8 ? |
| 02:49.52 | mhall | cheal: had to have it to run beagle :-) |
| 02:50.08 | mhall | cheal: seems to be 2.7 on my box and 2.6 in unstable |
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| 02:50.15 | roby | cheal: if i wanted the testing version, should i edit my sources.list to include testing, do an apt-get update, install gaim, remove testing from sources.list and apt-get update? |
| 02:50.20 | mhall | cheal: but i'm not sure of the details, i just want some shit to build |
| 02:50.33 | cheal | mhall: ah, I wonder where you see that |
| 02:50.43 | mhall | cheal: well the versions apt-get installed |
| 02:50.58 | mhall | cheal: it said it got what's currently installed, 2.7, from experimental |
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| 02:51.13 | mhall | cheal: and 2.6 is what it would get from unstable if i did not have experimental active |
| 02:51.16 | cheal | mhall: hum, which package exactly? |
| 02:51.56 | cheal | 2.8 is in experimental since a while. and I don't remember they uploaded it before it was stable upstream |
| 02:52.07 | mhall | cheal: gtk+2.0_2.8.3-1.dsc |
| 02:52.09 | cheal | yes unstable has 2.6 |
| 02:52.12 | mhall | cheal: guess it is 2.8 |
| 02:52.21 | cheal | ok |
| 02:52.22 | mhall | cheal: but for some funny reason it installed 2.7 binaries |
| 02:52.32 | cheal | anyway |
| 02:52.39 | mhall | cheal: i can't quite imagine why, i just did dist-upgrade today anyhow |
| 02:52.53 | mhall | cheal: but when i tried to install dev headers those were 2.6 only |
| 02:53.12 | mhall | cheal: so i have to rebuild from source to get appropriate dev headers for the version that is installed on the box |
| 02:53.25 | mhall | cheal: kind of a lot of build deps but i have 50 meg fiber connection |
| 02:53.34 | mhall | cheal: and 160 gb boot disk |
| 02:53.37 | mhall | cheal: so oh well |
| 02:53.42 | cheal | roby: there's a better way to mix releases, but in gaim's (and many other apps) case you can't decently get a newer version with simple APT pinning |
| 02:53.50 | mhall | anyhow time to go meet with the police ;-) |
| 02:53.54 | cheal | roby: you'd have to recompile it |
| 02:54.05 | cheal | !tell roby about quick sarge/etch mix |
| 02:54.27 | cheal | roby: remember, the previous factoid doesn't apply to gaim's case |
| 02:54.42 | golly | I'm using rsync and am wondering what determines whether it copies or not? Mine doesn't seem to recognie that a file has changed and so it copies them all! |
| 02:54.52 | Idiot_ | Greetings sirs and maddams. |
| 02:55.00 | turulu | Hi Imade a mistake during intall confi video card and moni I could not find any button back and I finish the install but can't get to start the gui hot to reconfiguire the video card and monitor I'm newbe. Than you |
| 02:55.05 | roby | cheal: cool, no one has told me about quick sarge/etch mix yet :) |
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| 02:55.22 | roby | I'll try to build a deb from source, so that i can still manage it as a package |
| 02:55.24 | cheal | damn mix factoids |
| 02:55.38 | Idiot_ | Mine English is good than it was. |
| 02:55.43 | cheal | what's the issue with them again |
| 02:56.00 | roby | thanks cheal |
| 02:56.01 | cheal | !drxx turulu |
| 02:56.03 | dpkg | turulu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 02:56.14 | Idiot_ | Has ones compiled Fung Calc Debian in Mac PPC? |
| 02:56.23 | Idiot_ | Any ones? |
| 02:56.58 | litage | i'm trying to test whether my router's ACLs are setup correctly. which non-DNS program can i use that only speaks udp? |
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| 02:57.08 | cheal | Idiot_: what's "Fung Calc Debian"? |
| 02:57.12 | Idiot_ | Fung Calc? |
| 02:57.21 | cheal | ,aybe |
| 02:57.25 | Idiot_ | Fung Calc on Debian I try to compiled but failed |
| 02:57.32 | Idiot_ | On Power PC Macintosh |
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| 02:57.44 | Idiot_ | Debian is on Power PC. Macintosh. |
| 02:57.58 | cheal | Idiot_: what package is it? |
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| 02:58.38 | Idiot_ | I possess no package. I download source for fung calc sourceforge. |
| 02:59.07 | Idiot_ | I found none package for Fung Calc for Debian for PowerPC. |
| 02:59.10 | cheal | Idiot_: english is not your native language, right? |
| 02:59.11 | LT4life | i am trying to disable dhcp, and I believe that all i have to do is modify the /etc/network/interfaces and specify static, but is this all that I have to do? |
| 02:59.24 | Idiot_ | cheal: English get better while I practice. |
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| 02:59.55 | Pres-Gas | LT4life: yeah, that should do it, then either restart or restart the networking script in /etc/init.d |
| 03:00.08 | cheal | Idiot_: ok. if you have a problem, ask about the concrete problem, or use google |
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| 03:00.21 | LT4life | ok thnx...i'll give it a try |
| 03:00.24 | Idiot_ | cheal: Okay. |
| 03:00.51 | Idiot_ | cheal: I know Google best. |
| 03:01.01 | boxerboy29 | does anyone use librnet? |
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| 03:01.37 | Idiot_ | cheal: Possess concrete problem I do. Mine concrete problem is no Debian for PowerPC package for Fung Calc. |
| 03:01.46 | cheal | dpkg: quick sarge/etch mix is echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to etch. then apt-get update, apt-get -t testing install foo; to install foo from etch rather than sarge |
| 03:01.46 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 03:01.47 | Idiot_ | Fung Calc Debian package it is Debian only? |
| 03:01.58 | cheal | Idiot_: unlikely |
| 03:02.16 | Idiot_ | It is only Debian for x86? |
| 03:02.22 | sabin | can anyone help me, when I erase /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, I go through all the options, it does not create /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:02.23 | Idiot_ | cheal: Like? |
| 03:02.28 | sabin | any clues? |
| 03:02.28 | cheal | Idiot_: it doesn't appear to be in debian at all |
| 03:02.38 | Idiot_ | Okay. |
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| 03:02.59 | cheal | Idiot_: "unlikely" means...there are little odds |
| 03:03.04 | Idiot_ | It fail compile with all dependencies satisfied is fails. |
| 03:03.41 | cheal | sabin: that's normal. debconf or dpkg considers deleting a file a customization |
| 03:03.42 | Idiot_ | Programmers not consider PPC compatibility. |
| 03:03.55 | cheal | !tell sabin about xmd5sum |
| 03:03.58 | sabin | cheal, so i have to overwrite it instead? |
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| 03:04.30 | Idiot_ | Is there Debian for Germans speaking? |
| 03:04.43 | cheal | sabin: hum, the previous factoid explains you how to make dpkg-reconfigure effective again |
| 03:04.44 | sabin | cheal, good stuff, i'm gonna go toy with this, thanks for the prompt response |
| 03:04.58 | cheal | Idiot_: an IRC channel, or a Debian version? |
| 03:05.10 | Idiot_ | There are? |
| 03:05.13 | cheal | Idiot_: there is an IRC channel, but no Debian version. |
| 03:05.13 | Idiot_ | : ) |
| 03:05.19 | Idiot_ | No? |
| 03:05.28 | Idiot_ | IRC channel only. |
| 03:05.33 | sabin | cheal, actually it was very obviously documented at the beginning of XF86Config-4, except I didn't understand it also affected deletes |
| 03:05.40 | sabin | anyways thanks for the help |
| 03:05.45 | cheal | Idiot_: Debian is English and does its best to include the rest in a unique distribution. |
| 03:06.03 | Idiot_ | Danke Debian. |
| 03:06.23 | cheal | !de |
| 03:06.23 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 03:06.43 | Idiot_ | dpkg: Danke |
| 03:07.03 | turulu | dpkg - turulu I need your help I got debian asking resolution and vertical ........ I have and standar 17 inch emacine monitor what shoud I put |
| 03:07.06 | Idiot_ | Trigger I see. |
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| 03:07.47 | cheal | dpkg: what are you? |
| 03:07.47 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:08.11 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you good for |
| 03:08.12 | dpkg | abrotman: what are you talking about? |
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| 03:08.27 | abrotman | dpkg: what does cheal pay you for |
| 03:08.29 | dpkg | often cheal pays me for unspeakably disgusting actions, abrotman, but I've really had enough... |
| 03:08.41 | cheal | turulu: if you don't know the resolutions your screen supports, try 1024X800 |
| 03:08.51 | cheal | or 1024X768... |
| 03:09.13 | cheal | yes, 768 |
| 03:09.20 | abrotman | that's sad :) |
| 03:09.31 | turulu | what about sync |
| 03:09.35 | cheal | I'm mixed by my wide screen laptop |
| 03:09.42 | cheal | turulu: try the default |
| 03:09.48 | Idiot_ | #debian.de no speaking :( |
| 03:10.15 | turulu | how to go to default |
| 03:10.39 | cheal | dpkg: quick sarge/etch mix is echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to etch. then apt-get update, apt-get -t testing install foo; to install foo from etch rather than sarge |
| 03:10.39 | dpkg | i already had it that way, cheal |
| 03:11.14 | cheal | turulu: default as in the configuration proposed |
| 03:11.23 | cheal | before you change anything |
| 03:12.02 | cheal | !quick sarge/etch mix |
| 03:12.03 | dpkg | somebody said quick sarge/etch mix was echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to etch. then apt-get update, apt-get -t testing install foo; to install foo from etch rather than sarge |
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| 03:12.16 | cheal | !tell me about quick sarge/etch mix |
| 03:12.26 | cheal | well it seems to work now |
| 03:12.29 | cheal | great |
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| 03:14.00 | Marhack | hola |
| 03:14.08 | Marhack | a todos |
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| 03:14.42 | roby | cheal: should I just compile gaim from source and install or should i build a debian package out of the source? If I just compile myself and install then I guess I have to keep the sources around so that I can do a 'make uninstall' right? |
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| 03:14.54 | abrotman | fuser/lsof |
| 03:16.35 | meff | quick q, how do i turn off the console beep ?? |
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| 03:16.45 | turulu | thanks guys |
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| 03:22.25 | tummyacid | how can i see what process is using /dev/dsp? |
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| 03:25.42 | cheal | tummyacid: try $ fuser /dev/dsp; or $ lsof /dev/dsp; |
| 03:26.06 | cheal | (what abrotman said) |
| 03:26.09 | Guerin | !bell |
| 03:26.09 | dpkg | methinks bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. |
| 03:26.14 | tummyacid | thanx |
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| 03:27.09 | tummyacid | thank youvery much!! |
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| 03:27.36 | cheal | roby: I avoid doing that stuff myself but according to what I heard, the best way is to do a backport, so that you can avoid installing at least libc6 2.3.5 |
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| 03:32.32 | LinuxGold | how do I use bot to tell me what latest package is on Debian? |
| 03:32.38 | LinuxGold | i.e. MySQL 5.0.13 rc? |
| 03:33.03 | Varanger | how can I uninstall Grub ?? |
| 03:33.25 | cheal | !info mysql-server-5.0 |
| 03:33.30 | dpkg | mysql-server-5.0: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.13rc-1 (sid), Packaged size: 16583 kB, Installed size: 37080 kB |
| 03:33.33 | jdhutchin1 | Varanger, apt-get remove grub, although what are you trying to do? |
| 03:33.33 | litage | Varanger: if you're going to uninstall grub, you'll need to install another bootloader, for instance lilo |
| 03:33.40 | LinuxGold | yes!! |
| 03:34.14 | Varanger | litage: I want to install Grub on sdaX not in the boot sector! |
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| 03:35.43 | LinuxGold | !info pando |
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| 03:36.21 | LinuxGold | !info pango |
| 03:36.22 | Varanger | !info pando |
| 03:36.52 | LinuxGold | !info pango-1.10.0 |
| 03:36.58 | LinuxGold | hmm |
| 03:36.59 | Varanger | !info pango |
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| 03:40.40 | Varanger | litage: how cna I do? |
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| 03:41.14 | bsims | Got a new joke if anyone is interested |
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| 03:42.43 | cheal | we definitely need an anyone bot here |
| 03:42.45 | madradrone | anyone here use a personal finance application? have any preferences? |
| 03:42.50 | cheal | heh |
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| 03:43.50 | magyar | i am using sid, i have a dhcp server on lan side. For some odd reason my dhcp address keeps changing every hour or so. It is anoying when connected to several ssh clients. Can someone help a brother? |
| 03:43.54 | magyar | also messing up xchat |
| 03:43.57 | bsims | Donald Rumsfeld is giving the president his daily briefing. He concludes by saying: "Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed." "OH NO!" the President exclaims. "That's terrible!" His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching a the President sits, head in hands. Finally, the President looks up and asks, "How many is a brazillion?" |
| 03:44.08 | bsims | damn wrong window |
| 03:44.20 | madradrone | magyar: change the lease duration? |
| 03:44.21 | metaperl | I have an external dvd-rw drive that lsusb shows as this "Bus 002 Device 004: ID 059b:0251 Iomega Corp." --- but I don't know how to mount it. For starters I dont know the device name of it.. help needed |
| 03:44.49 | bsims | metaperl: check /var/log/messages |
| 03:44.59 | magyar | madradrone: how? |
| 03:45.02 | bsims | should be /dev/sd something IIRC |
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| 03:45.20 | madradrone | magyar: on the dhcp server |
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| 03:45.41 | GTswagger | Anybody around that's good with keychain? |
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| 03:46.02 | magyar | madradrone, it only happens on the debian box, i have no problems with any other pc |
| 03:46.09 | GTswagger | Anybody familiar with keychain? I'm having a problem getting it to work; namely ssh-agent not adding ~/.ssh/id_dsa ("could not open a connection to your authentication agent") |
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| 03:46.16 | litage | Varanger: this is only a guess, but try removing grub (apt-get remove grub) then downloading and compiling grub from source, giving the install path to the configure script |
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| 03:46.40 | madradrone | magyar: i would check the settings of the dhcp client then. also make sure that only one instance of it is running |
| 03:46.59 | magyar | madradrone, i also get this from dhcpd server: Abandoning IP address " my system ip address" pinged before offer |
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| 03:48.07 | madradrone | magyar: you could also configure the dhcp server to give a permanent address to that interface |
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| 03:48.14 | magyar | madradrone, than it starts a new DHCPDISCOVER and gets a new ip |
| 03:48.35 | metaperl | bsims: /var/log/messages did not update when I put in a DVD (though the drive is spinning). Anywhere is the last lines of /var/log/messages to show they are not relevant: http://rafb.net/paste/results/8IXTQK40.html |
| 03:48.48 | magyar | madradrone, i think there is a problem with dhcp client on sid |
| 03:49.02 | madradrone | magyar: i use it with no problems |
| 03:49.05 | bsims | metaperl: it should show up when you plug it in |
| 03:49.20 | madradrone | magyar: but there are different ones: dhclient(3)/pump |
| 03:49.36 | metaperl | oh ok I will unplug it from the usb hub |
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| 03:49.44 | bsims | metaperl: try /dev/sg0 |
| 03:50.01 | bsims | er no that's not it |
| 03:50.08 | bsims | but it will start with s |
| 03:50.21 | magyar | madradrone, ii dhcp-client 2.0pl5-19.1 |
| 03:50.40 | magyar | madradrone, should i try ver 3? |
| 03:50.44 | madradrone | magyar: maybe try dhclient3 i always have good luck with it |
| 03:50.50 | metaperl | bsims: it is sr0 |
| 03:51.01 | bsims | cool |
| 03:51.07 | magyar | madradrone, roger, thanks i will |
| 03:51.42 | metaperl | I wonder why Gnome still does not detect it when plugging it in. Gnome is supposed to have some sort of life drive recognizer |
| 03:51.48 | metaperl | s/life/live |
| 03:51.50 | metaperl | fam |
| 03:52.00 | bob2 | no |
| 03:52.06 | bob2 | udev does |
| 03:52.09 | bob2 | who tells hal |
| 03:52.11 | metaperl | now can I add an entry to /etc/fstab? will it always be /dev/sr0 |
| 03:52.15 | bob2 | who tells gnome-voume-manager |
| 03:52.56 | dondelelcaro | all of which assumes all of the planets are in the proper alignment and you have made your daily sacrifice to the gods of gnome |
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| 03:53.39 | bsims | metaperl: I'd add one if it changes simply re-edit |
| 03:54.03 | metaperl | bsims: thanks bob2: thanks |
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| 03:56.04 | ecliptik | is there a way to disable suspend on tv out? something in /etc/apm maybe? |
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| 03:58.04 | zdom | hi all, i just install sarge to a new server with 2G memory using 2.6 kernel, but the system can only showing 917504k memory...anyone know what's the problem of it? |
| 03:58.05 | cheal | #debian should be good enough to help align planets anyway :) |
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| 03:58.56 | ecliptik | zdom, you need to recompile your kernel with HIGHMEM |
| 03:58.58 | dondelelcaro | zdom: you don't have a kernel with high memory support enabled. |
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| 03:59.21 | zdom | ok, i need to change kernel to 686 one? |
| 03:59.34 | ecliptik | zdom, take a look at the beginning of your dmesg and you'll see it give an error |
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| 03:59.52 | cunakya | i just installed disk 1, and i need to find apt-setup.... wher is it? |
| 04:00.11 | madradrone | ecliptik: i thought up to 2GB is support without himem |
| 04:00.58 | zdom | Thank you all ! |
| 04:01.03 | madradrone | or is it only up to 1GB? |
| 04:01.17 | zdom | I will try with 686 kernel |
| 04:01.19 | ecliptik | madradrone, I have a gig of memory and it complained about not being a able to use above 917504 when I first booted, enabling high mem up to 4GB foundit all |
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| 04:02.05 | madradrone | ecliptik: hmm. i just popped in a 1GB module in addition to the 512 already there, and free only reports 905764 i thought the modules were incompatible. that's good news |
| 04:02.30 | ecliptik | madradrone, yup, take a look at the start of your dmesg, you'll see the kernel give a warning |
| 04:02.49 | madradrone | ohh |
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| 04:03.01 | ecliptik | so anyone know how to disable tv out from automatically shutting off? |
| 04:03.01 | cunakya | arg |
| 04:03.13 | ecliptik | as in power management taking over |
| 04:03.17 | cunakya | i can't get it to read the second installation cd |
| 04:04.09 | jair | guys If I have a network with most of windows xp professionals but my server will be sarge debian, do I need to install DNS? |
| 04:04.15 | jair | bind in this case |
| 04:04.36 | jair | I will be using samba server, and probably later as a domain controller |
| 04:04.38 | madradrone | ecliptik: did you enable "Allocate 3rd-level pagetables from highmem" ? |
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| 04:05.23 | zdom | can i just use stocked package of 686 to solve this problem in sarge then? |
| 04:06.17 | madradrone | zdom: i don't know how the debian kernel is compiled |
| 04:06.18 | ^J^ | :) |
| 04:06.39 | ecliptik | madradrone, no no 3rd-level, just the high mem stuff |
| 04:06.50 | ^J^ | :p |
| 04:06.57 | cunakya | can someone tell me how to read the second cd? |
| 04:07.07 | madradrone | ecliptik: why not? |
| 04:07.08 | zdom | this terms make me think of DOS 640K above usage |
| 04:07.17 | ^J^ | :( |
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| 04:08.00 | ecliptik | madradrone, I dunno, I just don't have it enabled and my 1gig works fine |
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| 04:10.14 | cunakya | can I get some installation help? I've booted off of the hard disk after installing cd 1 and i need to install disk 2 |
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| 04:10.23 | debian_newbie88 | where file startup service? |
| 04:10.45 | debian_newbie88 | If I not use rcconf. |
| 04:11.28 | cunakya | i hate to sound like an impatient spammer but i kinda want this to work |
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| 04:12.17 | servus | cunakya: Not much you need from Debian installation discs once you get it installed. Just apt-get everything you need. |
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| 04:12.43 | cunakya | no internet |
| 04:12.51 | cunakya | on that one at least |
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| 04:14.55 | debian_newbie88 | cuankya: how many debian cd you get? |
| 04:15.06 | cunakya | i dled 4 of them |
| 04:15.33 | debian_newbie88 | woody or sarge? |
| 04:15.45 | debian_newbie88 | Just edit file source for install. |
| 04:15.49 | cunakya | i386... does that help? |
| 04:17.51 | litage | when i burn /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/ to dvd, growisofs fails to properly close the session. but if i burn each vserver guest onto the same dvd 1 at a time, everything's peachy. why might this happen? |
| 04:18.28 | cheal | cunakya: use apt-cdrom/apt-setup |
| 04:18.32 | debian_newbie88 | you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:19.47 | madradrone | !seen shingouz |
| 04:19.47 | dpkg | shingouz <n=not-me@16-26.adsl.lpoy.dnainternet.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 9h 19m 42s ago, saying: 'klync: have you heard about a nice word? it is called "backup" ;)'. |
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| 04:21.01 | madradrone | cunayaka: do you have broadband access? |
| 04:21.10 | cunakya | no internet |
| 04:21.13 | cunakya | all cdrom |
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| 04:22.37 | Helpless | DNS HELP: I need to figure out how to make my server think that it has been assigned an external IP rather then the internal IP address so that Plesk will configure websites with the Static IP rather then the internal IP? Is this even possible? |
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| 04:30.36 | jbroome | Helpless: does the whole server need to be accessable from outside, or can you fwd some ports to it (80/443?) i'm not familiar with Plesk |
| 04:32.24 | Helpless | I believe I need the who server to be accessable. |
| 04:33.01 | Helpless | I mean which is easier? I just basically want to host webiste (mine and some friends using plesk) |
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| 04:33.49 | Helpless | I have the same problem with both cpanel and plesk they both configure the DNS with my router assigned IP rather then my static Ip |
| 04:34.47 | tengulre | how to install KDE enveriment? |
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| 04:35.16 | dreganAway | On advice from the group I have installed ssh - but I still need to chroot users to their home directories - can anyone suggest the best/easiest way to do this please? |
| 04:35.39 | cheal | tengulre: see #debian-kde |
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| 04:35.47 | dondelelcaro | dreganAway: you don't do that. |
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| 04:36.00 | litage_ | tengulre: try `apt-get install kde` |
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| 04:36.07 | dondelelcaro | dreganAway: users necessarily need to have access to things in /bin, /usr/bin, /usr/lib, /lib, /usr/share, etc. |
| 04:36.11 | dreganAway | don't do what! |
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| 04:36.34 | dondelelcaro | dreganAway: anything that they shouldn't have access to, the shouldn't have access to because of the permisions on the directories/files. |
| 04:36.45 | dreganAway | I would like some users to only upload files to their home dirs |
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| 04:37.01 | dondelelcaro | dreganAway: then set their shell to rssh and only allow them to use scp/sftp etc. |
| 04:37.06 | pacman | Sysadmin Barbie says: "permissions are hard. I'd rather chmod -R 777 / and hope that chroot can save my ass" |
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| 04:38.02 | madradrone | anyone use a personal finance tracker app? have any preferences? |
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| 04:39.25 | dreganAway | dondelecaro: Thank you, as I am a newbie, I will have to read some more on rssh and I gather scp = WinSCP3 for windows users |
| 04:39.47 | dondelelcaro | well, better to use pscp on windows, but whatever... |
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| 04:40.08 | dreganAway | thank you |
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| 04:43.16 | seb-- | how turn off services in debian properly? |
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| 04:43.20 | kl1 | hi |
| 04:43.31 | seb-- | rename stuff in /etc/init.d? |
| 04:43.35 | bob2 | no |
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| 04:43.51 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.56 | bob2 | or use update-rc.d or rcconf or ... |
| 04:43.57 | kl1 | any one knows any program to see who is comming in and out from the server? |
| 04:44.30 | seb-- | bob2: thanks..if you delete the symlink then hard to put it back |
| 04:45.17 | bob2 | no, it's simple |
| 04:45.44 | seb-- | bob2: you need to remember the number which ain't easy |
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| 04:46.24 | maher | seb--: update-rc.d -f service remove |
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| 04:50.47 | trym | Im having trouble compiling ktctool: http://pastebot.nd.edu/704 - Any ideas? |
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| 04:53.06 | bob2 | seb--: update-rc.d can bring it mabck for you magically |
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| 04:59.21 | dondelelcaro | trym: the error sure seems to be pretty self explanatory there... |
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| 05:00.25 | trym | dondelelcaro: ok when I remove all the unwanted ;'s: http://pastebot.nd.edu/705 |
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| 05:03.13 | northbayrep | hi, i've just noticed that firefox is closing itself about every ten minutes.. this just started tonight. |
| 05:03.26 | northbayrep | is there any way i can diagnose what's going on? |
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| 05:05.42 | ke6isf | Hmm... didn't hang out long enough to get an answer. |
| 05:05.58 | TML | I'm looking for a media player that will correctly handle eith '@' or '%40' as part of the password in HTTP basic authentication, such as: http://user:p@ssword@host/file.mp3 |
| 05:06.10 | TML | Anyone know of one? |
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| 05:07.01 | kl1 | hi |
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| 05:07.27 | meff | whick pkg can i dpkg-reconfigure to enable subpixel with fonts? just got an lcd monitor |
| 05:07.33 | kl1 | any one knows why i get this error? subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 05:07.33 | kl1 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 05:07.34 | kl1 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 05:07.34 | kl1 | pamela:/home/kl1# etc/init.d/mysql start |
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| 05:07.47 | servus | :P |
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| 05:10.14 | deadcat | what is it mean when lots of beeps coming out the speaker? its NOT on.. i think electricity running through it or something... |
| 05:10.19 | deadcat | hella annoying |
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| 05:10.40 | simonrvn | as we'd say in these parts, kwe |
| 05:10.57 | ke6isf | deadcat: electricity running through it would sound like a 60hz buzz. It's very distinct. |
| 05:10.57 | simonrvn | ('gway') |
| 05:11.18 | ryback | ? |
| 05:11.24 | deadcat | ke6isf: kinna like morse code sound. is that it? |
| 05:11.39 | ke6isf | deadcat: No, a very low buzz. |
| 05:12.03 | deadcat | deadcat: what do i do to make them go away? |
| 05:12.05 | ryback | marking..space... |
| 05:12.26 | ke6isf | deadcat: If it sounds kind of like morse code, check your other terminals for errors. I've never seen this before unless, say, my cat was leaning on the space bar. |
| 05:12.28 | pacman | your computer has evolved into an intelligent life form! it's signaling you! |
| 05:12.28 | ryback | like rs-232 |
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| 05:12.44 | simonrvn | deadcat: not talk to yourself would help ;p |
| 05:12.45 | deadcat | ke6isf: its not from the terminal. |
| 05:12.55 | deadcat | simonrvn: i aint crazy (= |
| 05:12.56 | ryback | the morsecode |
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| 05:13.13 | simonrvn | deadcat: so you say ;p |
| 05:13.20 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:13.22 | factor | does anyone else have a problem with mozilla-dev package on sarge. |
| 05:13.25 | simonrvn | hehe ;) |
| 05:13.30 | factor | I can not apt-get it |
| 05:13.38 | deadcat | simonrvn: what do i have to do to prove? kill you? hehehh |
| 05:13.56 | ryback | a virus inside? |
| 05:14.29 | ke6isf | factor: Why not? |
| 05:14.56 | factor | I am trying to compile moz plugins but I need this package. |
| 05:15.02 | simonrvn | deadcat: you know i'm just nicely teasing you ;) |
| 05:15.09 | bob2 | factor: be more specific |
| 05:15.13 | deadcat | its still beeping... from the speaker.. my speakers are off |
| 05:15.17 | factor | do I need to enble unsable? |
| 05:15.20 | factor | enable even |
| 05:15.34 | bob2 | factor: paste the error from apt to #flood |
| 05:15.39 | deadcat | maybe i shoudl record this since no one know what i am talking about. |
| 05:15.48 | factor | I am trying to compile the VLC mozilla plugin |
| 05:16.00 | factor | so I can learn how to create mozilla plugins |
| 05:16.02 | pacman | oh, you mean the soundcard speakers... with their own power supply... |
| 05:16.22 | factor | but I have been foild by evil dependancies |
| 05:16.35 | factor | k |
| 05:16.37 | factor | bob2 |
| 05:16.44 | factor | I was wondering what that channel was for |
| 05:16.46 | factor | :) |
| 05:16.57 | pacman | I've heard cordless phone traffic being unexpectedly picked up by speakers, maybe it's something like that |
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| 05:17.22 | kl1 | hi, any one knows the comand to purge? |
| 05:17.45 | simonrvn | cordless phones are worse than cell phones in terms of lack of security in broadcasting. |
| 05:18.18 | ryback | so? |
| 05:18.22 | simonrvn | kl1: usually you take mineral oil to soften your stools if you're having a problem. purge what? |
| 05:18.28 | pacman | well, if it can be picked up by speakers and played back by _accident_, that qualifies as low security |
| 05:18.36 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 05:18.36 | darkness2 | I want to start building a web page.Now i could do withsaving the placeholder page for the moment,so can i just rename the placeholder file as bac_index.html and then create a file to be used as index.html? |
| 05:18.36 | ryback | I don't use any phone |
| 05:18.59 | kl1 | simonrvn purge mysql server |
| 05:19.00 | pacman | I assume the speakers aren't supposed to do that. Something's gone wrong inside them |
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| 05:19.38 | simonrvn | kl1: take your pick, apt-get or dpkg. man apt-get man dpkg, look for purge |
| 05:20.28 | darkness2 | I use to pick up corless phones convo's just using a radio. BTW are the expensive cells that use encryption only good if your also talking to another user of such phones? |
| 05:21.03 | pacman | generally you want your encryption to be end-to-end if possible |
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| 05:21.33 | darkness2 | pacman: Otherwise someone can evesdrop on one side of the convo? |
| 05:23.00 | din | gn |
| 05:23.31 | ke6isf | darkness2: Most modern cellphones don't use the old 46/49 MHz frequencies; you shouldn't be able to hear them on the radio anymore, unless it is an old cordless. |
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| 05:24.09 | simonrvn | yeh, that's true |
| 05:24.22 | bob2 | darkness2: presumably it encrypts between the base and the handset |
| 05:24.23 | ke6isf | oops... s/cellphones/cordless phones |
| 05:24.25 | simonrvn | northbayrep: are you really in north bay, ON? |
| 05:24.34 | northbayrep | seriously, my computer is eff'd. i keep getting segmentation faults and i've had to log in at the gdm screen repeatedly, then the screen goes black. |
| 05:24.37 | northbayrep | yes, i am. |
| 05:24.40 | northbayrep | represent! |
| 05:24.56 | simonrvn | cool. i have friends from up around there, and up further north |
| 05:25.01 | ke6isf | northbayrep: You can run it from the terminal in order to determine the problem. On exit it should return the error. |
| 05:25.12 | northbayrep | run what from the terminal? |
| 05:25.13 | darkness2 | ke6isf, oops, showing my age hey :-) |
| 05:25.20 | bob2 | northbayrep: try running memtest86 for a few hours |
| 05:25.21 | coelolepi | !list |
| 05:25.21 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 05:25.26 | northbayrep | ok. |
| 05:25.39 | ke6isf | northbayrep: You asked earlier how to diagnose a problem with Firefox bombing ten minutes into execution? |
| 05:25.43 | northbayrep | says command not found |
| 05:25.53 | ke6isf | northbayrep: What command are you using? |
| 05:25.54 | simonrvn | @installit |
| 05:25.55 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 05:25.56 | bob2 | northbayrep: apt-cache show metest86 |
| 05:26.24 | ke6isf | northbayrep: And what version of Debian are you running? |
| 05:26.24 | simonrvn | doesn't come with the base install |
| 05:26.34 | jm__ | I really hate the morons who say command not found |
| 05:26.54 | simonrvn | looks like he SEGVd heh |
| 05:27.11 | ke6isf | simonrvn: Probably what's happening to firefox. |
| 05:27.29 | simonrvn | i know my perl isn't acting very normal |
| 05:29.12 | darkness2 | Anyone aware of a program that will make logs of any scans made on your box.Bit like a firewall? |
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| 05:29.23 | northbayrep | i'm in hell. |
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| 05:29.38 | ke6isf | northbayrep: What happened?! |
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| 05:30.08 | ke6isf | northbayrep: And what version of Debian are you running? |
| 05:30.21 | simonrvn | darkness2: iptables LOG/ULOG targets |
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| 05:30.40 | ke6isf | northbayBROKEN: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 05:30.43 | northbayBROKEN | first, a full crash and log into x again. |
| 05:30.49 | northbayBROKEN | now, segmentation fault. |
| 05:30.56 | northbayBROKEN | to explain the second time i left. |
| 05:31.01 | northbayBROKEN | sarge. |
| 05:31.07 | coelolepi | i am a new comer |
| 05:31.08 | simonrvn | ah |
| 05:31.39 | coelolepi | can i download with bittorrent client in the debian os? |
| 05:31.47 | ke6isf | coelolepi: Yes. |
| 05:31.48 | simonrvn | yes |
| 05:31.50 | jm_ | you have my permission |
| 05:31.58 | simonrvn | heh |
| 05:32.01 | ke6isf | coelolepi: Why would I say no? |
| 05:32.05 | deadcat | coelolepi: yes |
| 05:32.13 | streuner | he want the URL... |
| 05:32.13 | deadcat | coelolepi: nevermind. dont know |
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| 05:32.28 | northbayBROKEN | so, what should i do right now to test my hardware? |
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| 05:33.18 | simonrvn | install memtest86, run it, see what happens. |
| 05:33.39 | northbayBROKEN | dpkg install memtest86? |
| 05:33.47 | ke6isf | northbayBROKEN: apt-get, not dpkg |
| 05:33.48 | streuner | coelolepi: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
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| 05:34.50 | northbayBROKEN | ok, it's installed. |
| 05:34.55 | northbayBROKEN | how do you run it? |
| 05:35.29 | jm_ | read the docs |
| 05:35.49 | simonrvn | basically you use it like you would say, bash, at boot. use it as an init replacement. man page has details |
| 05:36.04 | streuner | !cn |
| 05:36.04 | dpkg | cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 05:36.07 | northbayBROKEN | i tried man memtest86 and there was no manual entry |
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| 05:36.19 | jm_ | no you use it like a kernel |
| 05:36.28 | jm_ | man make-memtest86+-boot-floppy |
| 05:36.43 | jm_ | or without + if you use the older one |
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| 05:36.52 | simonrvn | oh ok. that's another way :) |
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| 05:37.56 | pacman | there he goes again... at this level of brokenness, why bother with memtest86? just assume the RAM is bad and replace it |
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| 05:38.42 | coelolepi | i can understand English |
| 05:38.48 | coelolepi | thanks |
| 05:38.51 | simonrvn | cheaper to replace the ram that really is borked, than replacing all of it |
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| 05:39.06 | darkness2 | simonrvm: I've just been reading some iptables man pages and understand that iptables does not provide a firewall or any sys security and is quite capable of locking you out of your own sys.Any other routes? |
| 05:39.18 | ke6isf | simonrvn: With the price of RAM, though, it's not that much more. |
| 05:39.22 | simonrvn | !firewall |
| 05:39.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, firewall is a boundry (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on |
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| 05:40.05 | simonrvn | not all of use here run cheap x86 stuff ;) |
| 05:40.10 | pacman | "firewall" is a word that doesn't mean anything anymore because marketroids got a hold of it. |
| 05:40.13 | simonrvn | s/use/us/ |
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| 05:40.26 | rking | if i got some conference proceedings, and can't find a © anywhere on the packaging or CD contents, can i assume it'd be safe to post it on the web? |
| 05:40.44 | simonrvn | ask them first |
| 05:40.54 | ke6isf | rking: Not necessarily. |
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| 05:41.15 | sema4 | anyone here decent with iptables? ... I want to punch a nat (1:1) an internal box |
| 05:41.27 | sema4 | anyone here decent with iptables? ... I want to nat (1:1) an internal box |
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| 05:41.30 | dondelelcaro | rking: no, there's always an assumed copyright |
| 05:41.33 | simonrvn | better to ask, and not piss off someone, or worse, and besides, it's just polite |
| 05:41.34 | northbayBUSTED | ok, made the floppy |
| 05:41.36 | ke6isf | !repeat |
| 05:41.36 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:41.44 | northbayBUSTED | do i just change my bios so i boot from floppy? |
| 05:41.53 | sema4 | ke6isf: I was correcting my self |
| 05:41.59 | simonrvn | indeed. copyright in a lot of berne signatory countries is assumed |
| 05:42.23 | simonrvn | (even those who didn't sign it in some cases) |
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| 05:42.31 | ke6isf | sema4: We could determine from context, and that's not proper correction means. Read up on sed for the correct one. |
| 05:42.36 | rking | so generally assume material is unpublishable unless it explicitly says it's free to do so? |
| 05:42.40 | dondelelcaro | rking: right |
| 05:42.43 | simonrvn | bingo |
| 05:42.46 | northbayBUSTED | hello? |
| 05:42.51 | karsten | simonrvn: Less assumed than simply existing by default. With a fair argument that it can't be disclaimed. |
| 05:42.52 | dondelelcaro | rking: there are some exceptions, like government publications in the US... |
| 05:42.54 | northbayBUSTED | how do i use the memtest disk i made? |
| 05:43.04 | northbayBUSTED | just boot from it? |
| 05:43.07 | ke6isf | northbayBUSTED: It puts it in the floppy drive and boots it. |
| 05:43.08 | sema4 | ke6isf: well shit ... what's the diff if I use s/ or just re do it? |
| 05:43.09 | simonrvn | karsten: yeh |
| 05:43.18 | northbayBUSTED | ke6isf, thanks. |
| 05:43.20 | simonrvn | northbayBUSTED: sure |
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| 05:44.12 | NBSHUTDOWN | one last question, how do i shut down from the terminal? |
| 05:44.16 | karsten | rking: ... the US Gov't exemption from copyright law is written into the US copyright statute. Interestingly, state and local governments aren't bound by it. There've been some cases in which local statutes are held to be copyrighted. Frequently things like building codes, etc., which are frequently developed by third parties. |
| 05:44.17 | ke6isf | sema4: If you merely repeat the previous line with the correction, the correction is not immediately apparent, and inevitably somebody will summon !repeat. If you use s/, this doesn't happen, and we don't have conversations like this. |
| 05:44.31 | ke6isf | NBSHUTDOWN: 'halt', 'shutdown -h now', 'init 0'. Any one of those. |
| 05:44.43 | karsten | ke6isf: No, we *always* have conversations like this... |
| 05:44.53 | darkness2 | Anyone know if firestarter needs xfree86 being gui? |
| 05:44.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:45.07 | ke6isf | karsten: Yes, because people refuse to use s/. =^_^= |
| 05:45.14 | karsten | darkness2: the dependencies should show you that. |
| 05:45.14 | rking | so what is the point of Copyright symbols and notices? seems to muddy the waters if they don't make a legal difference. |
| 05:45.38 | karsten | ke6isf: Not everyone knows s/foo/bar/ syntax / symantics. It's a big world. |
| 05:45.45 | bob2 | darkness2: what else would it use? |
| 05:45.49 | simonrvn | to make it clear what you can and can't do with it |
| 05:45.57 | ke6isf | rking: It's sort of a historical holdover, I think. I know at Kinko's, we have to assume it's copyrighted if it looks like it could be. |
| 05:45.59 | dondelelcaro | rking: they used to mean something before Berne; now they're just their by habit (and to clarify who holds the copyright) |
| 05:46.04 | karsten | rking: Lawyers will give you varying arguments. Part of it's tradition. Until 1976 in the US, they were required. |
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| 05:46.27 | rking | awesome |
| 05:46.31 | karsten | rking: ... it's also very helpful in tracking down copyright owners if you want to secure permissions. |
| 05:46.34 | rking | but TM is different, right? |
| 05:46.38 | ke6isf | karsten: I know, but to repeat the bloody line? That's just insane. |
| 05:46.40 | karsten | rking: Quite different. |
| 05:46.45 | dondelelcaro | rking: yes, trademark is totally different |
| 05:46.45 | simonrvn | yup. trademark is different |
| 05:46.55 | rking | i mean, obviously it's different, but i mean in the sense that you do have to mark junk up with TM's |
| 05:46.56 | karsten | ke6isf: welcome to the real world. |
| 05:47.09 | dondelelcaro | rking: more than that, you have to actively defent your mark |
| 05:47.29 | dondelelcaro | s/defent/defend/ |
| 05:47.45 | karsten | rking: The key difference here is that failure to enforce copyright does _not_ mean your rights are lost or diluted. Failure to enforce trademark may result in loss of mark. "Dixie Cups" is the classic case. |
| 05:48.03 | dondelelcaro | or rollerblades, or kleenex, or... the list goes on |
| 05:48.06 | ke6isf | Dixie cups, Xerox, FedEx... |
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| 05:48.44 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 05:48.54 | ke6isf | Granted, the loser can just say "We were here first!" |
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| 05:50.04 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Well, rollerblades, kleenex, walkman, and google haven't be denied. They're in common usage but are also still recognizable as trademarks. Use in trade is going to get you in trouble. |
| 05:50.16 | karsten | ke6isf: Dixie Cups actually _lost_ their mark. |
| 05:50.31 | ke6isf | karsten: Indeed. |
| 05:50.37 | linucks | hey, I'm having a problem with my sshd on debian, I can't connect to it from the localhost or anywhere else, I just get the error: Permission denied (publickey) .. no one would happen to know what the problem is would they? thanks.. |
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| 05:51.01 | Pita | What's the simplest mail server to install if I just want mail forwarding |
| 05:51.11 | karsten | linucks: File permissions? Set verbose mode on client, check output. Check server logs. Run server interactively with verbose option set (as root). |
| 05:51.16 | maher | Pita: ssmtp |
| 05:51.21 | karsten | Pita: ^^ maher. |
| 05:51.22 | dondelelcaro | Pita: you mean if you just want to move mail off that machine? ssmtp or nullmailer. |
| 05:51.42 | Pita | off that machine yes |
| 05:51.44 | karsten | Pita: ... though I still like exim/exim4 for general use. Simple to configure, works. |
| 05:51.53 | ke6isf | !start an mta war |
| 05:51.54 | dpkg | exim owns |
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| 05:52.22 | simonrvn | oh here we go again... |
| 05:52.25 | linucks | karma1, hrmm alright thanks.. I'll do that. |
| 05:52.46 | darkness2 | Wierd, i've just setup firestarter and get the error "Error, your kernel doesn't support iptables"? |
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| 05:52.56 | cheal | exim sucks. emacsmtp rules |
| 05:53.00 | ke6isf | darkness2: What kernel are you running? |
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| 05:53.24 | darkness2 | ke6isf: Well i'm using the latest sarge distro. |
| 05:53.40 | linucks | hmm ;o |
| 05:53.55 | ke6isf | darkness2: 2.4.27 or 2.6.8? |
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| 05:54.31 | MrFarts | any ldap experts here ? |
| 05:54.33 | darkness2 | ke6ish: Whats the cmd to find out? version? |
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| 05:54.44 | ke6isf | darkness2: uname -r |
| 05:54.55 | linucks | karsten, debug1: No more authentication methods to try. |
| 05:54.56 | ke6isf | !polls |
| 05:54.56 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 05:55.03 | darkness2 | Mmm, 2.2.20-idepci. |
| 05:55.07 | linucks | ;/ |
| 05:55.24 | jm_ | that's not Sarge |
| 05:55.30 | ke6isf | darkness2: Um... I think you need to upgrade your kernel. |
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| 05:55.45 | ke6isf | darkness2: Post your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood for me, please. |
| 05:55.46 | darkness2 | ke6isf: apt-get upgrade? |
| 05:55.53 | darkness2 | okay |
| 05:55.56 | jm_ | ohh might be Sarge that was upgraded from Woody |
| 05:55.56 | ke6isf | darkness2: Not yet. |
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| 05:56.08 | darkness2 | It was upgraded from woody. |
| 05:56.08 | ke6isf | jm_: Yeah, thusly wanna look at his sources.list. |
| 05:56.14 | karsten | !tell linucks about paster |
| 05:56.19 | karsten | linucks: Give us the dumps. |
| 05:56.26 | ke6isf | darkness2: OK, never mind then. Are you listing woody or stable in your sources? |
| 05:56.40 | linucks | lol |
| 05:56.45 | linucks | i can't |
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| 05:56.58 | karsten | linucks: Why not? |
| 05:57.03 | linucks | I can only access the box on a tty karsten, since the problem is with ssh :P |
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| 05:57.05 | linucks | sshd even |
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| 05:57.47 | karsten | !tell linucks about netcat |
| 05:57.59 | darkness2 | ke6isf: stable. |
| 05:58.00 | linucks | there's no mouse to use links/lynx to paste with and there's no xorg installed |
| 05:58.03 | jm_ | ke6isf: still strange that someone uses idepci kernel even with Woody considering how little features it has |
| 05:58.13 | jm_ | you don't need mouse to paste |
| 05:58.16 | karsten | linucks: If you've got link between you and it, you can make it happen. Providing me / the channel with diagnostic data is _your_ problem. Interpreting it is mine. |
| 05:58.17 | ke6isf | jm_: Wouldn't know, I came in in June. |
| 05:58.31 | karsten | linucks: screen allows copy/paste w/o mouse |
| 05:58.37 | linucks | karsten, I don't :/ |
| 05:58.45 | linucks | karsten, hmm.. |
| 05:58.45 | tgkjer | elo |
| 05:58.47 | karsten | linucks: .. you don't what? |
| 05:58.49 | ke6isf | !tell darkness2 -about woody->sarge |
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| 05:58.57 | linucks | have a link between me and it |
| 05:59.00 | Supaplex | this nvidia driver blows. It's installed, but I don't believe for a moment it's accelerated. |
| 05:59.04 | darkness2 | Anyway to easily upgrade the kernel? |
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| 05:59.12 | jm_ | darkness2: read the FAQ |
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| 05:59.19 | simonrvn | !faq |
| 05:59.19 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 05:59.19 | karsten | linucks: OK. That presents a challenge. Floppy, CDR, USB storage ... |
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| 05:59.32 | ke6isf | darkness2: I just sent you instructions on a dist-upgrade from woody to sarge. Once you do that, have fun. |
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| 05:59.38 | karsten | darkness2: aptitude install <version> |
| 05:59.47 | linucks | karsten, hmm are you able to suggest some things that might fix it? |
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| 06:00.03 | karsten | linucks: If I can see data, I can give it a shot. |
| 06:00.05 | linucks | (I appreciate your help :>) |
| 06:00.09 | linucks | lol |
| 06:00.13 | ke6isf | !lol |
| 06:00.13 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 06:00.16 | karsten | linucks: I've got a suspicion about file permissions or your server keys. |
| 06:00.16 | linucks | well it's trying all authentication methods |
| 06:00.18 | linucks | and fails |
| 06:00.19 | darkness2 | Karsten: so apt-get install aptitude? |
| 06:00.32 | linucks | karsten, I had done a system wide update.. that may be why huh? |
| 06:00.37 | karsten | linucks: ... private keys need to be unreadable to anyone but owner. |
| 06:00.40 | darkness2 | nm |
| 06:00.54 | karsten | darkness2: aptitude ~= apt-get, aptitude > apt-get |
| 06:00.56 | jm_ | linucks: did you check if you have an old key in ~/.ssh/known_hosts? |
| 06:01.17 | linucks | jm_, I deleted the file, anyway, it doesn't work on any box/itself. |
| 06:01.18 | karsten | jm_: Got a good recipie for forcing a server / host key regen? Other than remove/reinstall ssh? |
| 06:01.28 | ke6isf | darkness2: Just follow the directions. If it says it's already done or nothing to be done, just keep going. |
| 06:01.30 | jm_ | karsten: run ssh-keygen manually? |
| 06:01.54 | karsten | jm_: Yeah, you can do that. If the problem is server keys you've got to provide a few arguments. |
| 06:01.56 | jm_ | linucks: what file? |
| 06:02.06 | jm_ | karsten: sure, but that's described in the man page ;) |
| 06:02.08 | karsten | jm_: ... I always end up snarfing the postinst file for the recipie. |
| 06:02.09 | ke6isf | darkness2: What processor are you running? |
| 06:02.12 | linucks | jm_: ~/.ssh/known_hosts just to be sure. |
| 06:02.18 | karsten | jm_: Hrm... Never thought to look ;-) |
| 06:02.41 | simonrvn | show you how to generate a moduli file, and other stuff |
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| 06:03.05 | jm_ | karsten: yeah, that's equally safe |
| 06:03.41 | jm_ | linucks: ok, then you have to do what karsten said (debugging switches) |
| 06:03.52 | ke6isf | jm_: Hey, isn't that idepci kernel darkness2 was talking about what they had on the old Woody netinst floppies? |
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| 06:04.02 | darkness2 | Ke6isf: can i paste in #paste my source.list for you to have a quick look at plz? |
| 06:04.08 | jm_ | ke6isf: no, it was default even on a CD |
| 06:04.17 | ke6isf | darkness2: Rather you did it in #flood. |
| 06:04.20 | darkness2 | okay |
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| 06:04.30 | jm_ | ke6isf: one of the reasons why we have "real kernel" factoid |
| 06:04.40 | ke6isf | jm_: Ah, indeed. |
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| 06:04.58 | linucks | jm_: I did ssh -v from localhost connecting to it, all authentication methods were exausted. |
| 06:05.08 | jm_ | linucks: you also need to debug sshd |
| 06:05.27 | badhotra | so i just got enlightenment, but i can't seem to get gdm to recognize it |
| 06:05.38 | ke6isf | darkness2: Uncomment the first deb-src line in the file. |
| 06:05.47 | ke6isf | darkness2: Remove all other commented lines from the file. |
| 06:06.06 | ke6isf | darkness2: Are you only interested in Free software, or do you object to weird license issues, or...? |
| 06:06.08 | badhotra | i am sure i just add it to a config file, but i can't seem to find the right one |
| 06:06.10 | linucks | jm_, ah I see.. do you know how I can do that? |
| 06:06.42 | ke6isf | darkness2: Also /msg dpkg marillat if you're into mplayer. |
| 06:06.55 | jm_ | linucks: sure |
| 06:07.10 | simonrvn | !xsession |
| 06:07.10 | dpkg | i guess xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 06:07.23 | darkness2 | Ke6isf: No i don't object.Plus i don't understand really about "uncomment the first deb-src line and remove all other commented lines? |
| 06:07.42 | ke6isf | darkness2: All lines with a # in front are commented out. To uncomment, remove the #. |
| 06:07.44 | karsten | linucks: Thats' why you _also_ want to see what the _server_ is complaining about. |
| 06:07.44 | linucks | jm_, lol how do ya do that? |
| 06:08.00 | linucks | karsten, yeah. |
| 06:08.00 | ke6isf | darkness2: In particular with that line, you might want to remove the two spaces before 'deb-src' as well. |
| 06:08.07 | jm_ | linucks: invoke-rc.d ssh stop; edit /etc/default/ssh and add -ddd to the options var |
| 06:08.16 | linucks | jm_, alrighty |
| 06:08.19 | karsten | linucks: ... you can run most daemons _interactively_, as *root*, foregrounded, with verbose output to stdout. |
| 06:08.22 | karsten | jm_: Not necessary. |
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| 06:08.42 | ke6isf | Is there a simple way to convert from grub to lilo? |
| 06:08.50 | jm_ | karsten: sure he could start sshd by hand ... |
| 06:08.53 | karsten | jm_: ... just kill the daemon, then "sshd -Dd" I think. |
| 06:08.54 | ke6isf | no, reverse that, lilo to grub. |
| 06:09.11 | karsten | jm_: Sure. Just for the one connection. Then fix the problem and restart the daemon. |
| 06:09.43 | linucks | AH! |
| 06:09.43 | jm_ | ke6isf: no, but it's pretty simple to do it by hand |
| 06:09.53 | linucks | listening on 0.0.0.0.. |
| 06:09.56 | linucks | that may be why? |
| 06:09.57 | rking | forgiveness please - but i read through HOWTO/BackspaceDelete.gz, and I still have no clue how to make my key labeled according to xev as "Backspace" send ^H, and my key labeled "Delete" send ^?. any clues? |
| 06:10.08 | linucks | hehe |
| 06:10.11 | ke6isf | jm_: I figure it's not just 'apt-get install grub && apt-get remove lilo'? |
| 06:10.27 | karsten | linucks: Specify multiple '-d' options for more verbose debugging. 1 or 2 should be sufficient. |
| 06:10.38 | jm_ | ke6isf: yes, that will add Debian kernels to menu.lst, but other entries will probably not be added (i.e. for booting DOS/Windows/...) |
| 06:10.47 | pacman | rking, you talking about in xterm? |
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| 06:10.51 | ke6isf | jm_: Noted. |
| 06:10.54 | rking | pacman: sure |
| 06:10.56 | linucks | lol |
| 06:10.58 | linucks | that wasn't the problem |
| 06:11.22 | jm_ | rking: it's explained in the README-s |
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| 06:12.11 | linucks | :< |
| 06:12.13 | darkness2 | ke6isf: i've pasted a revision if you would be so good to look at it before i save? |
| 06:12.14 | linucks | I can't check the problem |
| 06:12.17 | linucks | it goes too fast. |
| 06:12.21 | linucks | when I try to connect. |
| 06:12.27 | linucks | the text scrolls off my screen |
| 06:12.31 | karsten | linucks: Pipe to a file then. |
| 06:12.36 | linucks | I tried that |
| 06:12.42 | ke6isf | darkness2: Get rid of the non-us, you don't need those anymore. |
| 06:12.43 | liquidangle | help | more |
| 06:12.45 | liquidangle | ack |
| 06:12.49 | karsten | linucks: cmd <options> | tee /tmp/sshd.log |
| 06:12.54 | pacman | rking, one thing that's sneaky is Debian has an XTerm app-deafaults file that screws with the backspace key, so if you have everything set right in your .Xresources it still doesn't work |
| 06:12.56 | linucks | ah thanks |
| 06:12.59 | rking | ok, i think i finally get it - X itself just tells the app ~Backspace~, and it's up to the app to make that mean some series of bits |
| 06:13.19 | jm_ | rking: /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz |
| 06:13.20 | karsten | linucks: ... gives you both console output and saves to file. |
| 06:13.33 | linucks | thanks |
| 06:13.44 | pacman | so first off, edit the XTerm app-defaults and get rid of the backspace-related lines |
| 06:13.48 | linucks | karsten, it didn't work. |
| 06:13.55 | pacman | then go by the xterm man page, it tells you what's what |
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| 06:14.01 | linucks | karsten, it didn't write anything to the file. |
| 06:14.02 | simonrvn | simple comment suffices |
| 06:14.08 | jm_ | do not edit system wide resource files |
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| 06:14.30 | karsten | linucks: Try: cmd <options> 2>&1 | tee file |
| 06:14.36 | darkness2 | ke6isf: Look any better? |
| 06:14.41 | karsten | linucks: I think you might be getting stderr, not stdout. |
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| 06:15.28 | karsten | linucks: 'sshd -edD 2>&1 | tee /tmp/sshd.log' |
| 06:15.32 | karsten | linucks: ... should be getting there. |
| 06:15.36 | ke6isf | darkness2: A little better. Each of those lines should also end in 'contrib', and you need to duplicate that security line as a 'deb-src' line accordingly. |
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| 06:15.45 | Jurples | hi, i can mount /mnt/hda4 (NTFS partition) from user but cannot access it: Permission denied |
| 06:16.07 | karsten | Jurples: Set UID/GID and umask. man mount. |
| 06:16.08 | jm_ | Jurples: read about mount options for NTFS |
| 06:16.37 | Jurples | k |
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| 06:16.54 | karsten | Anyone here playing with Sun Fires? |
| 06:17.00 | vskoric | Jurples rtfm :-) |
| 06:17.16 | karsten | ... and know how to get 'em to PXE boot properly? |
| 06:17.35 | jm_ | we only have on low-end SunFire box |
| 06:17.43 | jm_ | one* |
| 06:17.50 | jm_ | boot net ... |
| 06:17.51 | karsten | jm_: Which? |
| 06:17.56 | jm_ | karsten: 280R |
| 06:17.57 | karsten | jm_: v20z here. |
| 06:18.02 | vskoric | karsten You are running debian on those fires |
| 06:18.19 | debian_newbie88 | where are font in debian? |
| 06:18.29 | karsten | vskoric: Hypothetically, yes ;-) |
| 06:18.45 | vskoric | :-) |
| 06:18.46 | linucks | ah ok |
| 06:18.51 | debian_newbie88 | "xxx/xxx/" |
| 06:19.00 | linucks | hmm |
| 06:19.02 | linucks | okay.. |
| 06:19.04 | linucks | I've got the log file.. |
| 06:19.09 | debian_newbie88 | where are directory store font in debian? |
| 06:19.19 | ke6isf | darkness2: ...erm, paste that file again. |
| 06:19.20 | karsten | vskoric: The actual answer is a tad more complicated than that. |
| 06:19.30 | jm_ | debian_newbie88: check the contents of fonts packages |
| 06:20.33 | Phr0zenKore | ... |
| 06:20.35 | Phr0zenKore | hrm |
| 06:20.59 | Phr0zenKore | i know a karsten from vacation :P |
| 06:21.05 | Phr0zenKore | but it's not him :P |
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| 06:21.36 | linucks | ok here.. |
| 06:21.48 | linucks | karsten, http://bitch.sigma.net.nz/sshlog.txt |
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| 06:23.10 | karsten | debian_newbie88: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts is a lot of 'em. |
| 06:23.23 | linucks | karsten/jm_ |
| 06:23.53 | ke6isf | darkness2: That's the complete file? |
| 06:24.23 | mhall | karsten: What's the problem? |
| 06:24.30 | ke6isf | darkness2: What's that second to last line, "in contrib"? |
| 06:24.36 | karsten | linucks: What're you seeing on the client side? Eg: ssh -v user@host |
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| 06:24.44 | karsten | mhall: ?? |
| 06:24.49 | karsten | mhall: W/ the Sun box? |
| 06:24.52 | darkness2 | ke6isf: Yes the complete file |
| 06:24.55 | linucks | I'm going to paste 2 lines.. |
| 06:25.00 | linucks | okay? |
| 06:25.03 | karsten | linucks: Sure |
| 06:25.12 | jm_ | karsten: wait, isn't v20z an Opteron box? |
| 06:25.23 | linucks | [linucks@neat0 .xchat2]$ ssh sigma@192.168.1.154 |
| 06:25.23 | linucks | Permission denied (publickey). |
| 06:25.32 | linucks | that's all. |
| 06:25.53 | karsten | linucks: ls -l ~/.ssh/id* |
| 06:25.59 | karsten | linucks: ... to #flood or paster please. |
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| 06:26.06 | linucks | kk. |
| 06:26.12 | mhall | karsten: right; the Sun box |
| 06:26.23 | karsten | mhall: A few things. |
| 06:26.30 | mhall | karsten: namely? |
| 06:26.30 | linucks | ;/ |
| 06:26.39 | karsten | mhall: PXE boot seems to get the NICs out of order. ETH1 tries before ETH0. |
| 06:26.45 | ke6isf | darkness2: Eliminate those last two lines. That second to last, I don't know what it is, but it looks like an old line. |
| 06:26.46 | linucks | karsten, see in #flood. |
| 06:26.52 | SatanGolga | can one 'undo' a "mv -r dir /path/to/new/dir"? |
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| 06:27.08 | karsten | mhall: PXE server gets the request, and sends a lease, the SunFire complains it doesn't get a boot image. |
| 06:27.13 | jm_ | SatanGolga: has it occured to you that you can mv it back? |
| 06:27.15 | mhall | karsten: did you try arranging the PCI cards oppositely? |
| 06:27.24 | darkness2 | ke6isf: I've cleaned it up a little. |
| 06:27.28 | prabhu | xmms in debian is giving error while playing a song |
| 06:27.29 | karsten | mhall: Haven't popped the top yet. |
| 06:27.38 | karsten | mhall: Just found the manuals about 30 minutes ago. |
| 06:27.45 | prabhu | saying that some thing is blocking output plugin |
| 06:27.49 | mhall | karsten: additionally, you must have TFTP configured and the kernel must be called the machine IP expressed in hex |
| 06:27.57 | mhall | karsten: uppercase hex |
| 06:27.58 | jm_ | prabhu: doesn't that tell you enough? |
| 06:28.02 | karsten | mhall: ... There's the whole management interface thing on serial console, jumper to reemove it. |
| 06:28.05 | darkness2 | ke6isf: the ftp://www.mirror line? |
| 06:28.06 | SatanGolga | jm_: its not that, everything else in that dir was lost aswell |
| 06:28.08 | prabhu | no |
| 06:28.09 | ke6isf | darkness2: Place thereiin the line "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 06:28.15 | mhall | karsten: ah, that, yes |
| 06:28.17 | ke6isf | darkness2: Yeah, strike that line. |
| 06:28.18 | jm_ | SatanGolga: nothing was lost, it was *moved* |
| 06:28.19 | linucks | karsten, it doesnt exist, but on any box i cant ssh to i t |
| 06:28.26 | karsten | mhall: TFTP/PXE are working for other systems on that vlan. |
| 06:28.28 | mhall | karsten: since that's a fire-specific feature i've not messed with it much |
| 06:28.42 | karsten | mhall: Could you clarify? |
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| 06:28.43 | mhall | karsten: perhaps try erasing the openboot and putting it back to default |
| 06:29.03 | mhall | karsten: clarify which part? |
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| 06:29.43 | SatanGolga | jm_: can u undo 'rm -r dir' ? |
| 06:29.43 | maher | SatanGolga: what do you mean lost? and does your mv have a -r option? |
| 06:29.43 | karsten | mhall: TFTP. |
| 06:29.48 | karsten | mhall: 23:27 < mhall> karsten: additionally, you must have TFTP configured and the |
| 06:30.45 | jm_ | SatanGolga: you said mv, not rm - and no, you generally can't |
| 06:30.45 | karsten | mhall: ... That's on the PXE server? |
| 06:30.45 | SatanGolga | ok XD |
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| 06:30.45 | mhall | karsten: Yeah. My understanding is that it gets the kernel via TFTP. |
| 06:30.46 | vskoric | SatanGolga: on what fs you did that |
| 06:30.46 | mhall | karsten: So you need tftpd in inetd.conf. |
| 06:30.49 | ke6isf | darkness2: That should be 'non-free', not 'non-', and you should accordingly place 'non-free' at the end of each line. |
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| 06:31.00 | mhall | karsten: Additionally the kernel must be in the root expected by tftpd, usually /boot or /tftpboot |
| 06:31.03 | ke6isf | darkness2: What editor are you using? |
| 06:31.04 | SatanGolga | vskoric; fs? |
| 06:31.15 | vskoric | SatanGolga: file ssystem |
| 06:31.16 | mhall | karsten: And the kernel's name must be the machine IP expressed as uppercase hex |
| 06:31.17 | jm_ | karsten: network-boot howto will explain it |
| 06:31.19 | darkness2 | ke6isf: nano |
| 06:31.27 | darkness2 | ke6isf: thats it now. |
| 06:31.33 | SatanGolga | vskoric: ext2? |
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| 06:31.48 | karsten | mhall: Correct WRT kernel. |
| 06:31.49 | jm_ | SatanGolga: read Ext2 undelete howto |
| 06:31.50 | ke6isf | darkness2: That line for mirror.co.uk is back. Remove it. |
| 06:31.53 | mhall | karsten: so a machine with address 10.0.0.1 would have kernel '0A000001' , I believe. |
| 06:31.59 | ke6isf | s/co/ac |
| 06:32.02 | karsten | mhall: pxelinux.0 is a standard boot image. |
| 06:32.13 | jm_ | but good luck, as it will most likely not happen |
| 06:32.25 | karsten | mhall: ... and yes, WRT hex address spec. We've got that set up. There's actually a pretty decent system for that here. |
| 06:32.26 | darkness2 | ke6isf: gone :-) |
| 06:32.40 | ke6isf | darkness2: Place 'non-free' at the end of every line that doesn't have it. |
| 06:32.47 | mhall | karsten: how about running ethereal on the server? |
| 06:32.58 | mhall | karsten: that will tell you exactly what's happening |
| 06:33.17 | vskoric | SatanGolga: you can use mc to recover files on ext2 |
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| 06:33.22 | darkness2 | ke6isf: Done. |
| 06:33.27 | ke6isf | darkness2: Paste? |
| 06:33.28 | mhall | karsten: and run the openboot diagnostic on the fire once you reset the boot rom variables to factory default |
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| 06:34.17 | ke6isf | darkness2: Only half the file got there. I presume the lines are otherwise intact? |
| 06:34.27 | SatanGolga | vskoric: mc? |
| 06:34.45 | ke6isf | darkness2: Looks good. Save it. |
| 06:34.49 | Oliver25 | hello ! I have problem with aptitude . I add some CD-drive and now , and now that CD-drive is /dev/hdb , but not DWD-drive . How to configure aptitude to get packages from /dev/hda (CD-rom) ? |
| 06:35.04 | vskoric | SatanGolga: Midnight commander |
| 06:35.08 | darkness2 | ke6isf: k |
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| 06:35.15 | maher | Oliver25: try apt-setup |
| 06:35.17 | simonrvn | @mc++ |
| 06:35.22 | ke6isf | darkness2: Did you complete the steps that dpkg sent you for doing a dist-upgrade? |
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| 06:35.46 | SatanGolga | seems pretty hard |
| 06:36.19 | darkness2 | ke6isf: I did apt-get install aptitude. |
| 06:36.21 | vskoric | SatanGolga: if you have installed mc, try man mc and then search for recover |
| 06:36.22 | streuner | hm |
| 06:36.26 | maher | SatanGolga: how did you lose the files - are you sure they aren't still there? the mv I have doesn't have a -r option, so this should have just given you an error |
| 06:36.47 | ke6isf | darkness2: OK, then, proceed with the other instructions. |
| 06:37.05 | SatanGolga | maher: yeah, but then i did rm |
| 06:37.15 | karsten | mhall: the PXE server or the starfire? |
| 06:37.33 | karsten | mhall: ... and how to set the boot rom to defaults? |
| 06:37.36 | maher | SatanGolga: oh - sorry - i missed that bit |
| 06:37.47 | darkness2 | ke6isf: obviously skipping by the edit sources list? |
| 06:37.56 | karsten | mhall: ... not to mention getting 'help' not to scroll off console? I'm serialed in and can't scroll back. |
| 06:37.59 | ke6isf | darkness2: Well, we just did that. =^^= |
| 06:38.12 | ke6isf | Hmm, python is updated. |
| 06:38.31 | vskoric | SatanGolga: Did you try with mc, |
| 06:38.38 | mhall | karsten: hmm, i think there is some screen size setting; i will look |
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| 06:39.26 | mhall | karsten: set-defaults |
| 06:39.30 | SatanGolga | vskoric: i'm trying to find out how to do it with mc |
| 06:39.35 | karsten | mhall: OK. |
| 06:39.36 | mhall | karsten: that resets to default values |
| 06:39.42 | mhall | karsten: let me get screen size |
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| 06:40.16 | mhall | karsten: http://www.adminschoice.com/docs/open_boot.htm look for rows and columns |
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| 06:40.57 | darkness2 | ke6isf: upgrade all under way.Thanks alot for your time. |
| 06:41.02 | SatanGolga | vskoric: how do u search in man? |
| 06:41.05 | morky | hi |
| 06:41.21 | mhall | karsten: generic boot issues are addressed in here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/ |
| 06:41.24 | maher | SatanGolga: apropos or man -k or man man |
| 06:41.25 | vskoric | SatanGolga: press / and enter string |
| 06:41.36 | maher | SatanGolga: or do what vskoric said |
| 06:41.48 | ke6isf | darkness2: No problem. Once you're done, you'll want to upgrade your kernel - you're probably running lilo, so it *should* work, but keep that old kernel and a boot disk around just in case. |
| 06:41.51 | karsten | mhall: Danke. |
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| 06:43.52 | mhall | Why does AMD64 Debian allow one to install the lilo boot loader when this loader is not AMD64 compatible? |
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| 06:44.37 | darkness2 | ke6isf: How do i upgrade the kernel once it's done? I'm guessing apt-get upgrade? |
| 06:44.39 | vskoric | SatanGolga: actually I never did it with mc :), but it is using undelfs,and you should be able to browse deleted files |
| 06:45.01 | maher | SatanGolga: are you definitely using ext2 and not ext3? |
| 06:45.05 | jm_ | karsten: who says it isn't? |
| 06:45.35 | jm_ | karsten: sorry that was not for you |
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| 06:45.39 | jm_ | mhall: who says it isn't? |
| 06:45.46 | ke6isf | darkness2: apt-get upgrade picks upgrades for stuff in place, but I've never seen it upgrade the *kernel*. You have to install a new kernel package (kernel-image-blablabla) by way of 'apt-get install kernel-image-version-etc'. |
| 06:45.55 | ke6isf | darkness2: What kind of processor do you have? |
| 06:46.18 | darkness2 | ke6isf: Mmmm amd. |
| 06:46.24 | SatanGolga | vskoric: ok |
| 06:46.30 | SatanGolga | maher: yes |
| 06:46.35 | ke6isf | darkness2: Athlon I presume? |
| 06:46.46 | mhall | jm_: I googled and learned that it is not compatible. |
| 06:46.54 | mhall | jm_: Also trying to use it throws errors. |
| 06:47.00 | darkness2 | Yep, an old 1ghz. It was the dogs once :-( |
| 06:47.07 | jm_ | mhall: I rather doubt it would be packaged for amd64 port if that was the case |
| 06:47.10 | mhall | jm_: I wanted to use it because I hate GRUB but it just will not work. |
| 06:47.16 | mhall | jm_: I know I was really confused. |
| 06:47.20 | ke6isf | darkness2: 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7' |
| 06:47.24 | mhall | jm_: I do not comprehend it. |
| 06:47.47 | ke6isf | darkness2: Don't feel so bad. I'm running a 400 MHz P2 on my server, and a 900 MHz Athlon on my workstation. Works pretty dang good, if you ask me. |
| 06:47.49 | mhall | jm_: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-3-Manual/x8664-multi-install-guide/s1-x86-bootloader.html |
| 06:47.51 | darkness2 | ke6isf: Nice. Looks like i need to keep reading tuts for some while yet. |
| 06:47.59 | mhall | jm_: Rootcrap confirms it. |
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| 06:48.33 | ke6isf | darkness2: I've been running Debian since Sarge went stable in June - moved in from Mandreck. Picked up a lot just watching in here, but I still have much to learn. |
| 06:48.38 | jm_ | mhall: yeah just found that, but that doesn't mean it's not compatible, just that they don't let you use it |
| 06:48.40 | darkness2 | ke6isf: Nah i shouldn't, cost me about £1600 new but still cuts it even tough it's sdram and all. |
| 06:48.56 | vskoric | SatanGolga: are you geting anywhere |
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| 06:50.47 | SatanGolga | vskoric: no, let's consider them gone forever |
| 06:50.58 | simonrvn | ke6isf: been running it since i got started in linux. potato, tail end, right before woody went stable |
| 06:50.59 | jm_ | mhall: I prefer GRUB , been using it for ages, even before it was in Debian |
| 06:51.53 | simonrvn | i'm still a newbie ;) |
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| 06:52.01 | karsten | mhall: Thanks for the info, digesting, it's about a night. |
| 06:52.10 | ke6isf | simonrvn: It's like learning a language. You don't stop learning. |
| 06:52.27 | simonrvn | ke6isf: yup |
| 06:52.38 | ke6isf | Feh, ditto here. Nearly midnight, and I'm melting down. |
| 06:52.43 | simonrvn | @bed karsten |
| 06:52.58 | vskoric | SatanGolga: considered |
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| 06:53.07 | madradrone | $ free Mem: 1554880 ahh true freedom |
| 06:53.22 | dasunt | Anyone familiar with DSL under debian? I'm trying to set up a DSL modem, and I don't know if I understand what I'm doing. |
| 06:53.24 | SatanGolga | hehe |
| 06:53.28 | karsten | simonrvn: Danke. |
| 06:53.32 | SatanGolga | thanks anyway |
| 06:53.35 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:53.45 | dasunt | pppoeconf isn't finding the modem, although the modem light seems to think the network works. Tried X-over and straight through network cables. |
| 06:54.01 | karsten | dasunt: Usually it's effectively a DHCP server. Configure Debian networking for DHCP, you should be set. |
| 06:54.04 | bob2 | dasunt: did you tell the modem it's a modem not a router? |
| 06:54.25 | dasunt | bob2: The modem is a rather simple modem, it does not appear to be able to tell its a router. |
| 06:54.37 | vskoric | SatanGolga: you are welcomed :-),if you change nick |
| 06:54.45 | karsten | dasunt: What bob2 said. "DSL modem" in common usage is almost always a router. |
| 06:54.47 | vskoric | SatanGolga: ;-) |
| 06:54.54 | dasunt | karsten: DHCP doesn't work. :( From what I can tell in the DSL howto, I need to configure pppoe. |
| 06:54.56 | karsten | dasunt: Make/model on the DSL kit? |
| 06:55.15 | SatanGolga | hah, verstanden! |
| 06:55.15 | karsten | dasunt: I'd work from the kit rather than the DSL howto. |
| 06:55.18 | dasunt | Efficient Speedstream 5262. |
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| 06:55.55 | dasunt | It seems to be a bridge, not a router. ;) |
| 06:55.55 | vskoric | vojko: debian slovenia dali se cujemo |
| 06:56.51 | Art_ | Is there anywhere a list of packages/items that are "dpkg-reconfigure"able? And the corresponding commands? |
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| 06:57.11 | jm_ | Art_: debconf DB |
| 06:57.20 | karsten | Art_: dpkg-reconfigure <package> is the command. |
| 06:57.26 | Art_ | jm_ Thanks. |
| 06:57.28 | simonrvn | apt-get install configure-debian - also using the debconf utils |
| 06:57.35 | bob2 | dasunt: bridges don't use pppoe |
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| 06:57.42 | darkness2 | I <3 my isp. Even though i've downgraded my 1Mbps adsl line to 512k becasue i get offered a cheap flexing option, but also i'm getting 82.6kb/s still :-) |
| 06:57.56 | Art_ | karsten, Gotcha. |
| 06:57.58 | Alejo | aparently my KDE came without an FTP client for X. Which one do you recommend? |
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| 06:58.12 | jm_ | lftp |
| 06:58.13 | dasunt | bob2: :( So wrong hardware then? |
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| 06:58.49 | mhall | Alejo: apt-cache search ftp | fgrep -i kde |
| 06:58.57 | mhall | Alejo: apt-cache search kde | fgrep -i ftp |
| 06:59.06 | mhall | !tell Alejo about pdo |
| 06:59.14 | karsten | dasunt: Likely. Was the Speedstream provided by your ISP or did you pick it up elsewhere? |
| 06:59.18 | dasunt | I thought that software pppoe could use a hardware DSL bridge. |
| 06:59.23 | dasunt | karsten: Picked it up somewhere else. |
| 06:59.29 | simonrvn | apt-cache search can take more than one argument ;) |
| 06:59.32 | karsten | dasunt: ... Personally I'd get a Linksys DSL router and call it a day. |
| 06:59.39 | karsten | dasunt: Wrong kit. |
| 07:00.07 | karsten | dasunt: PPOE is by all reports a bitch and a half, and unnecessary to boot. You've got better ways to spend those hours. |
| 07:00.10 | dasunt | I'd rather not do a router, if possible. I have a router, and I'd hate to try to get ftp and dcc foolishness working though a hardware router. |
| 07:00.27 | simonrvn | choice of dsl modem is dependent on what your peer (i.e., ISP) supports |
| 07:00.46 | simonrvn | some are more flexible than others |
| 07:01.11 | simonrvn | anyway, GN |
| 07:01.24 | bob2 | dasunt: presumably you checked whether your modem is compatible with your ISP? |
| 07:01.27 | dasunt | Quite honestly, I don't trust a hardware router, especially not one whose install base provides an incentive to hack it. :) Plus upnp foolishness. |
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| 07:01.47 | bob2 | dasunt: if it's a bridge, then it provides raw ethernet out one end, and you just plug in and configure your ip's statically |
| 07:02.01 | karsten | dasunt: I think you're being overly picky. Particularly if you're suggesting PPOE is a preferable alternative. |
| 07:02.03 | dasunt | bob2: Nope. My ISP is ... Well, complicated. Tried to set up an ISDN network with them last month. Its amazing how I had 7 bad ISDN modems. |
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| 07:02.17 | dasunt | karsten: Well, the router is doing PPPOE anyways, is it not? |
| 07:02.33 | karsten | dasunt: Doesn't ISDN *still* mean "I still don't need it"? |
| 07:02.45 | karsten | dasunt: Read the specs. I'm not clarvoiant. |
| 07:02.48 | dasunt | karsten: Dialup accounts at work for roaming. |
| 07:03.00 | bob2 | dasunt: you need to find out what sort of link they've given you then, I guess |
| 07:03.08 | bob2 | dasunt: pppoe and bridging are configured differently |
| 07:03.09 | jm_ | just ask them |
| 07:03.26 | dasunt | Of course, the router worked for a day. Then it "failed". Like the 7 other broken ISDN routers. But that's a different rant. |
| 07:03.34 | dasunt | Er, s/router/modems/ |
| 07:03.38 | jm_ | I've used plain static IP with my wirless internet connection at first, but then they switched to pppoe |
| 07:03.55 | jm_ | wireless* |
| 07:04.12 | dasunt | From what I can tell (and correct me if I'm wrong), DSL is either set up as bridged (DHCP should work then) or PPPoE, with PPPoE preferred by ISPs. |
| 07:04.25 | jm_ | yes, I think you got that right |
| 07:05.07 | dasunt | Supposedly, this router works under winders with its own software on a pppoe network. |
| 07:05.18 | karsten | dasunt: Sounds like you need a real ISP. |
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| 07:05.33 | jm_ | you means it requires drivers or what? |
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| 07:05.58 | sep | dasunt, you sure that the software isn't just a pppoe client ? |
| 07:06.11 | dasunt | karsten: Yes, I do. But my government is moving towards giving the owners of telecom lines more control over their own lines to force out competition. But that is another rant as well. |
| 07:06.17 | deadcat | karsten: i want my golf shirt (= |
| 07:06.28 | dasunt | sep: I'm not sure. |
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| 07:06.36 | karsten | deadcat: I want my cat. |
| 07:06.46 | karsten | dasunt: Indeed it is. |
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| 07:07.15 | deadcat | heheh.. i am taking your cat hostage. you dont call the cops, you bring the shirt next time if you want to see your cat alive.. if you call the cops, expect your cat's ear in mail |
| 07:07.33 | dasunt | karsten: Really, my ISP has to piggyback on Bellsouth's lines. Bellsouth has to sell access at cost, which seems to utterly annoy them. Which leads to bad feelings between Bellsouth and my ISP. |
| 07:07.51 | bob2 | dasunt: you're sure it works at all? ie you can ping it or access a web interface or something? |
| 07:08.25 | dasunt | Nada, zip, zilch. But the access lights seem sane. |
| 07:08.42 | dasunt | I was hoping someone would have ideas before I had to try the win32 software tomorrow. |
| 07:09.23 | tarzeau | i hate mozilla and firefox for not being able to do telnet:// links |
| 07:09.25 | dasunt | The win32 software may do scary magic over the ethernet connection. I don't know. |
| 07:09.36 | dasunt | tarzeau: Opera is free beer now. :) |
| 07:09.45 | tarzeau | dasunt: i want free software |
| 07:09.58 | Guerin | dasunt: makes it marginally less crap. |
| 07:09.59 | tarzeau | dasunt: opera uses qt, which is just ugly |
| 07:10.07 | sep | dasunt, you have ofcouse tried pppoe from linux over your modem ??? |
| 07:10.31 | dasunt | sep: Yep, on two different machines. Tried using pppoeconf to configure it, but it found nothing. |
| 07:10.33 | karsten | dasunt: same story here, s/BellSouth/SBC/ |
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| 07:11.39 | dasunt | This DSL line is technically a work line. Which also has an account which includes one of the longest T1s in Bellsouth's territory, and they aren't that happy about it. |
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| 07:12.05 | karsten | dasunt: Send flowers. |
| 07:12.16 | dasunt | 15 mile T1 line. Its impressive. Its also billed through a different telecom company even though its Bellsouth's line. |
| 07:12.28 | karsten | dasunt: ... and an rfp for alternatives. |
| 07:12.35 | dasunt | rfp? |
| 07:12.43 | karsten | dasunt: request for proposals |
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| 07:12.52 | karsten | dasunt: ... usually the first step in a bidding process. |
| 07:12.59 | mhall | deadcat: *purr* |
| 07:13.12 | jm_ | you can always configure pppoe by hand if pppoeconfig doesn't work |
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| 07:13.25 | mhall | deadcat: my cat jumped on the keyboard and taunted you |
| 07:13.30 | karsten | deadcat: If you can produce my cat alive, I'll give you a lifetime supply of golf shirts. |
| 07:13.31 | mhall | deadcat: it still has 9 lives |
| 07:13.40 | dasunt | I'll try that tomorrow, but I'll wait until I resurrect the win32 box to see what it does. |
| 07:14.32 | marcel__ | 09:13 < jm_> you can always configure pppoe by hand if pppoeconfig doesn't work |
| 07:14.40 | marcel__ | damn |
| 07:14.41 | mhall | karsten: what happened to yours |
| 07:14.44 | dasunt | If I can get it working with win32's pppoe software for the modem, I'll know that the problem is with my linux config. If I can't, then the problem is with the modem or the line. |
| 07:14.47 | marcel__ | stupid mouse :) |
| 07:14.55 | mhall | marcel__: feed it to deadcat |
| 07:15.02 | karsten | mhall: He died. Bad kidneys. |
| 07:15.09 | mhall | karsten: :-( |
| 07:15.11 | marcel__ | mhall: :P |
| 07:15.19 | karsten | mhall: January this year. Great cat. |
| 07:15.20 | mhall | karsten: wish i could let you borrow one of mine |
| 07:15.25 | mhall | karsten: how old? |
| 07:15.34 | mhall | karsten: last one lived to damn near 20 over here |
| 07:15.40 | karsten | mhall: I've got a friend's I borrow periodically. Nearly 16 years. |
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| 07:15.45 | mhall | karsten: he was part of the family since before i was |
| 07:16.02 | JohnnyST | Hi I got a problem with vnc it stopped working, I have not changed anyting it is debian sarge. |
| 07:16.03 | karsten | mhall: Ran into a 24 year old _outdoor_ cat just outside Yellowstone a few years back. |
| 07:16.15 | karsten | !tell JohnnyST about smart questions. |
| 07:16.28 | dasunt | karsten: I know of 3 really, really cute kittens that will need a home in a month or two, if you are somewhere in the south. |
| 07:16.47 | JohnnyST | It recives packages I can see that with tcpdump. |
| 07:16.49 | karsten | dasunt: I'm not. And my roommate's deathly alergic. |
| 07:16.56 | dasunt | :( |
| 07:17.02 | mhall | karsten: o.O did you cut it open and count the rings? |
| 07:17.11 | karsten | mhall: Heh. |
| 07:17.14 | JohnnyST | I have tried to restart gdm. |
| 07:17.21 | dasunt | But they are computer kittens. They are living in some abandoned computer equipment outside at work. :) |
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| 07:17.48 | karsten | mhall: ... no, but it was a cute little grey tabby, walked right up to me. I did my usual, scooped it up and petted it, and realized it *really* didn't feel like a kitten. |
| 07:17.53 | JohnnyST | Can I add loging to the vnc server in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 07:17.56 | karsten | mhall: ... still, spry and friendly though. |
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| 07:18.18 | mhall | karsten: the gray cats always seem to be very soft and fluffy, often pretty nice also |
| 07:18.25 | mhall | karsten: my calico is persnickety |
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| 07:18.33 | dasunt | My cats hate me today. |
| 07:18.39 | karsten | mhall: Yeah, I've known a few grey tabbies with great personalities. |
| 07:18.39 | mhall | karsten: apparently there are genetic connections between colors and personalities |
| 07:18.42 | mhall | deadcat: what for? |
| 07:18.43 | dasunt | They got sprayed with flea dip and dewormed. |
| 07:18.50 | karsten | mhall: Right, that's what I've noticed. |
| 07:18.54 | mhall | dasunt: lol! |
| 07:19.05 | mhall | karsten: i read a book which confirmed this also |
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| 07:19.37 | dasunt | I was going to vaccinate them today, but the local coop didn't have any good cat vaccines. |
| 07:19.37 | pablob | mmm /etc/network/options is deprecated? |
| 07:19.38 | karsten | mhall: 'night. |
| 07:19.46 | mhall | vskoric: don't do that |
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| 07:19.59 | jm_ | pablob: not in Sarge it isn't |
| 07:20.03 | mhall | !ops tell vskoric to quit spamming the channel with CTCP |
| 07:20.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: tell vskoric to quit spamming the channel with CTCP |
| 07:20.26 | mhall | karsten: cya! |
| 07:20.27 | skip | can someone please explain how to interpret the hex number in the boot loader options (ie. vga=0x317) |
| 07:20.31 | vskoric | mhall: sorry |
| 07:20.38 | Routed | can anyone remember the name of the channel for the d-i guys? |
| 07:20.46 | dondelelcaro | mhall: uh... that's the first time he's done that as far as I can tell. |
| 07:20.48 | jm_ | skip: read kernel docs |
| 07:20.50 | dondelelcaro | Routed: #debian-boot |
| 07:20.53 | vskoric | mhall: just playing |
| 07:20.58 | Routed | dondelelcaro, thanks heaps |
| 07:21.01 | vskoric | :-) |
| 07:21.05 | nvz | vskoric: playing what, stupid? |
| 07:21.08 | mhall | Routed: confirm dondelelcaro's statement |
| 07:21.29 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i'll wait next time; i was concerned it might be botlike, etc. |
| 07:21.31 | vskoric | playing what will be if i do that |
| 07:21.41 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i figured better safe than sorry |
| 07:21.43 | Routed | mhall, lots of folks in there. Looks about right. :) |
| 07:22.00 | mhall | Routed: yeah i left out *i* confirm |
| 07:22.05 | mhall | Routed: apologies |
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| 07:23.58 | Routed | mhall, no problem. :) |
| 07:24.01 | Oliver25 | what does this mean when I want to install something from dvd using apt : E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 07:24.02 | Oliver25 | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 07:24.32 | vskoric | where on irc I can talk about irc |
| 07:24.58 | dasunt | Btw, since everyone has cats here, what is a good flea treatment? |
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| 07:25.31 | mhall | dasunt: frontline |
| 07:25.36 | vskoric | frontline |
| 07:26.02 | mhall | dasunt: put it on mine once a month; they are not especially happy because it's sticky goo on the backs of their necks but it works |
| 07:26.08 | dasunt | Ugh. I suspected that the expensive solution may have been the right one. :) |
| 07:26.09 | mhall | dasunt: never a bite mark anyplace |
| 07:26.23 | mhall | dasunt: there is some place on teh intarweb, petmeds.com i think |
| 07:26.29 | mhall | dasunt: also call multiple vets |
| 07:26.38 | mhall | dasunt: it's a free market with a lot of price competition |
| 07:26.50 | mhall | dasunt: unlike, say, human stuff with FDA crap, etc in the way |
| 07:27.36 | dasunt | Its a free market for the human crap, if its expensive enough to be worth your time to fly out of the country. :) |
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| 07:28.29 | dasunt | Interesting, in my current state, its legal to give pets most vaccines, but a vet has to give a rabies vaccine. |
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| 07:29.12 | darkness2 | ke6isf: I'm just about to upgrade my kernel and being asked which one to explicitly install? |
| 07:29.23 | mhall | dasunt: i think this is because rabies vaccine is apparently dangerous or something |
| 07:29.43 | mhall | dasunt: they have a human version but they will not use it unless somebody has been bitten |
| 07:29.45 | dondelelcaro | dasunt: are you sure that's not just for registration purposes? It should also list what type of rabies vaccine too... |
| 07:30.05 | dasunt | Vet has to give it, from what I'm told. |
| 07:30.13 | dasunt | Sucks, my boss has something like 10 dogs currently. |
| 07:30.26 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 07:30.44 | mhall | ouch the Qt people are writing code with virtual methods but no virtual destructors |
| 07:30.47 | mhall | blecch |
| 07:30.55 | dasunt | C++? |
| 07:30.59 | mhall | right |
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| 07:31.23 | bob2 | they're already doomed |
| 07:31.25 | mhall | 20 warns on every qt3/... header include |
| 07:31.26 | bob2 | they have their own STL |
| 07:31.33 | mhall | lol true bob2 |
| 07:31.37 | dasunt | I don't understand C++, so I don't know what that means. |
| 07:31.58 | darkness2 | I'm about to upgrade my kernel to kernel-image 2.6.8-2-K7 but this as no installation candidate.Do i use smp 2.6.8-16, or just 2.6.8-16? I'm running an amd athelon. |
| 07:32.03 | bob2 | Oliver25: what it says; do you have another packagemanagement tool open? |
| 07:32.15 | mhall | dasunt: when you have a polymorphic class hierarchy with virtual (per-object) methods, you must make the destructor a virtual (per-object) method |
| 07:32.25 | mhall | dasunt: otherwise there will be weird memory leaks |
| 07:32.35 | pacman | I don't believe anyone understands C++ |
| 07:32.48 | mhall | dasunt: until g++ added that warning this was hard to spot |
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| 07:32.52 | mhall | pacman: I do. |
| 07:32.56 | bob2 | they should make every method virtual |
| 07:32.59 | peterrooney | pacman: about five people have in history, most dead now. |
| 07:33.00 | bob2 | take *that*, c++ |
| 07:33.07 | mhall | pacman: Almost genetically in some ways. |
| 07:33.32 | pacman | your name is really Mhall Stroustrup? |
| 07:33.32 | mhall | peterrooney: Add me to the list. |
| 07:33.56 | peterrooney | mhall: you already were :) |
| 07:34.00 | bob2 | mhall: ever overloaded the comma operator? |
| 07:34.01 | mhall | peterrooney: ;-) |
| 07:34.08 | mhall | pacman: it could be |
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| 07:34.30 | BriajWrk | hi all |
| 07:34.33 | pacman | all I know is I had to take a C++ class once, it was only a couple of years before ANSI standardization, but in that 2 years almost every thing I learned in the beginner class was made invalid :) |
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| 07:34.58 | darkness2 | Can anyone help with upgrading a kernel to 2.6.8-2 on a amd cpu? |
| 07:35.06 | metaperl | I forgot which command line tool I recently installed to scan images... any ideas? |
| 07:35.08 | jm_ | darkness2: read the FAQ |
| 07:35.27 | bob2 | darkness2: if you don't have smp, you don't need the smp version |
| 07:35.32 | bob2 | if you don't know what smp is, you don't have it |
| 07:35.33 | dasunt | pacman: Some days, I get the impression that C++ is a rather complex language, especially when compared to C (which does have a few tricks, but not that many). |
| 07:35.34 | mhall | bob2: The comma operator is called when it appears next to an object of the type the comma is defined for. However, “operator,†is not called for function argument lists, only for objects that are out in the open, separated by commas. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of practical uses for this operator; it’s in the language for consistency. The global function allows the comma to be placed before the object in question. The usage shown is fairly obscure an |
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| 07:35.52 | maarcc | hi |
| 07:35.56 | mhall | bob2: http://www.camtp.uni-mb.si/books/Thinking-in-C++/TIC2Vone-distribution/html/Chapter12.html |
| 07:36.05 | bob2 | mhall: ? |
| 07:36.12 | bob2 | that was a yes/no question |
| 07:36.20 | bob2 | and blitz++ has a nice example of it |
| 07:36.23 | mhall | bob2: I never really had a need for that. |
| 07:36.36 | maarcc | some body speacks spanish |
| 07:36.50 | pacman | operator overloading is evil in general. especially when the new definition of the operator has no resemblance to its base meaning, like when the binary shift operators somehow become I/O operators |
| 07:36.51 | mhall | bob2: I suppose you could use it for inventing some new kinds of statements. |
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| 07:37.05 | boro_O | anyone here have problems with downloads in firefox ? |
| 07:37.05 | pablob | jm_: where can I read about it ... is there any replacement (apart from sysctl.conf)? |
| 07:37.06 | mhall | pacman: That's not the fault of overloading. |
| 07:37.06 | bob2 | !+es |
| 07:37.06 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:37.14 | mhall | pacman: Anything can be misused. |
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| 07:37.28 | bob2 | mhall: they use it to make it simpler to define matrices |
| 07:37.30 | mhall | pacman: When used properly there is a certain beauty to it. |
| 07:37.34 | dasunt | So what's the benefits of overloading then? |
| 07:37.40 | bob2 | pacman: rather overloading than foo.add(bar) crap |
| 07:37.51 | mhall | bob2: I was thinking, coordinate system, etc. |
| 07:37.58 | dasunt | Makes sense. |
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| 07:38.01 | mhall | bob2: But I don't do much numerical analysis. |
| 07:38.15 | mhall | dasunt: The truth of the matter is, people are used to operators having meanings. |
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| 07:38.27 | jm_ | pablob: I forgot what your problem was - xmms? |
| 07:38.33 | cybertek | how the heck do you install transcode in debian? |
| 07:38.34 | Ce^MaNiZz | sabkjsabfjhb |
| 07:38.42 | maarcc | ok thanks dpkg |
| 07:38.46 | dasunt | But I program in C, so I'm old fashioned. ;) |
| 07:38.50 | mhall | dasunt: And while it's not perfectly logical that +='ing stuff to a string tacks it on the end, it makes some sense intuitively. |
| 07:38.57 | cybertek | I dont see any dpkg for it |
| 07:39.04 | jm_ | transcode is packaged by Marillat |
| 07:39.08 | bob2 | cybertek: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 07:39.10 | mhall | dasunt: If you knew you had working operators, you might well guess += would do it. |
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| 07:39.13 | Ce^ITS | i dont see everything |
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| 07:39.29 | mhall | dasunt: Also, the good thing in C++ is that you have choices. So if it pissed you off call a member function. |
| 07:39.41 | mhall | dasunt: And if that pisses you off, use a C approach. |
| 07:39.44 | pacman | oh yeah, that's the other thing I hate. the use of + for string concatenation. THat's not addition! If you're going to give meaning to "one" + "one", the answer better damn well be "two" because THAT is addition. perl got this right. Concatentaion is a separate operator. |
| 07:40.10 | Ce^ITS | :D |
| 07:40.11 | mhall | dasunt: Or write some magic function that does the ugly stuff only once, then call it. |
| 07:40.17 | fireba11 | does that message mean my HD is damaged ? Sep 25 21:18:11 xxx kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 07:40.17 | fireba11 | Sep 25 21:18:11 xxx kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=21311301 |
| 07:40.17 | fireba11 | 1, sector=170042744 |
| 07:40.18 | mhall | pacman: I could not disagree more. |
| 07:40.26 | mhall | pacman: + makes sense. |
| 07:40.26 | bob2 | fireba11: probably |
| 07:40.29 | jm_ | firebal;yes |
| 07:40.33 | fireba11 | bob2: crap |
| 07:40.34 | darkness2 | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 2.6.8-16, gives "couldn't find package 2.6.8-16". ? |
| 07:40.37 | Ce^ITS | how do u do |
| 07:40.46 | bob2 | fireba11: that or your cables or lose or the kernel doesn't really support DMA on your hardware |
| 07:40.50 | mhall | pacman: + also has the shortcut gramatical meaning of gluing together pieces of a sentence |
| 07:40.56 | bob2 | darkness2: yes, there is no package called 2.6.8-16 |
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| 07:41.05 | jm_ | no, DMA would be a different error/status code |
| 07:41.18 | mhall | pacman: if you name strings in ways that are sensible, it's obvious what you did |
| 07:41.28 | dasunt | mhall: I'm not dissing C++. Its just a complicated language, and I'd rather master C before moving on to C++. |
| 07:41.30 | pacman | so does "&", why not concat strings with "&" ! |
| 07:41.52 | dasunt | I'm doing some OOC in C right now, which has some nasty limitations. |
| 07:42.28 | pacman | oh, you're one of those people who embeds the type in every variable name? that is ugly |
| 07:42.53 | bob2 | pacman: & for concatonation would be even more confusing |
| 07:43.00 | pacman | nounIt verbMakes prepFor adjHard prepTo verbRead nounCode! |
| 07:43.01 | bob2 | & means something very different already in C |
| 07:43.10 | bob2 | basing it on C to begin with was the first mistake, perhaps |
| 07:43.24 | mhall | pacman: no I don't embed type |
| 07:43.37 | mhall | pacman: but there are ways to name strings that make it clear what they are doing |
| 07:43.47 | pacman | just equally confusing... |
| 07:43.51 | mhall | pacman: and if you think there's a problem, you have // |
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| 07:44.18 | vorsprun1 | pacman, it's not confusing it's a convention |
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| 07:44.41 | vorsprun1 | pacman, if you are working with other people and they also follow the convention it's quite helpful |
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| 07:45.10 | mhall | if you dislike the + operator there are other member functions to call to get the same thing |
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| 07:47.20 | pablob | jm_: no, about /etc/network/options being deprecated. there are no docs in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown |
| 07:47.21 | pacman | I like knowing what the operators mean based on what they look like, without consulting header files |
| 07:47.40 | jm_ | pablob: ahh right, check the init.d/networking script, it still uses it in Sarge |
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| 07:48.00 | mhall | i always program with one editor ssh, one compiler ssh, and firefox with a tab on SUSv3 and a tab on C++ reference and a tab on STL manual |
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| 07:48.23 | mhall | i have a photographic memory so i can usually look things up once and damn near memorize them |
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| 07:50.57 | pablob | jm_: it's still used in sid, if the file exists. only a warning is printed. what is the recommended way of seeting those options now? |
| 07:51.02 | pablob | jm_: sysctl? |
| 07:51.10 | fireba11 | bob2: since the server was running fine for 2 years or so i expect it to be a dead HD ^^ |
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| 07:51.20 | bob2 | fireba11: eep |
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| 07:51.25 | darkness2 | Mmm, if i apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 it's there.However will not install due to no such package? |
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| 07:51.36 | jm_ | pablob: I don't use sid, I have no idea - I suppose you have to use sysctl yes |
| 07:51.38 | bob2 | darkness2: that's not at all what it said |
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| 07:52.01 | bob2 | darkness2: paste the output of "apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7" to #flood |
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| 07:54.32 | fireba11 | bob2: and i don't really like HDs loosing clusters (since it still works ..) in the middle of my oracle database |
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| 07:54.49 | bob2 | hah |
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| 07:55.51 | bob2 | darkness2: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 07:56.04 | mhall | mmm zombies |
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| 07:56.06 | mhall | :-( |
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| 07:56.24 | mhall | bob2: thanks for thwacking them |
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| 07:56.58 | bob2 | they're all romanian today |
| 07:57.02 | bob2 | mhall: not that it really helps :( |
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| 07:57.13 | mhall | bob2: well thanks for the effort anyways |
| 07:57.18 | mhall | bob2: even if it doesn't help |
| 07:57.46 | jm_ | heh ignoring modes in #debian gains very little considering how little we see - joins/parts is far more useful |
| 07:58.06 | nvz | I plonked MODES, because dondelelcaro was doing a mass unbanning |
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| 07:58.09 | streuner | !nospambots |
| 07:58.09 | dpkg | nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds or just "/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS" |
| 07:58.14 | nvz | never took it off |
| 07:58.17 | mhall | jm_: but then it sux cause you can't heckle your friends / enemies on their way in |
| 07:58.29 | mhall | jm_: and you end up spouting off sentences to missing people |
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| 08:02.27 | lancelot24 | good morning |
| 08:02.29 | jm_ | mhall: sure, that's why I don't ignore anything |
| 08:02.36 | lancelot24 | everybody! |
| 08:02.42 | lancelot24 | is there anyone could help me? |
| 08:03.04 | bob2 | lancelot24: you haven't asked a question yet... |
| 08:03.06 | nkuttler | lancelot24: do we have to guess your question? |
| 08:03.12 | pepsi | hi bob2 |
| 08:03.16 | bob2 | hi |
| 08:03.17 | lancelot24 | no |
| 08:03.22 | lancelot24 | nkuttler |
| 08:03.29 | lancelot24 | i was asking for courtesy |
| 08:03.31 | lancelot24 | ! |
| 08:03.41 | lancelot24 | don't be so acid with me! |
| 08:03.50 | nkuttler | !comfort lancelot24 |
| 08:03.57 | dpkg | There, there, lancelot24. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 08:04.07 | nvz | dpkg, wb |
| 08:04.07 | dpkg | thanks, nvz. It's good to be back. |
| 08:04.07 | zdom | anyone have exprience with realtek 8169 gigabit on-board lan with sarge? |
| 08:04.10 | lancelot24 | i've re-installed the official sarge distro |
| 08:04.19 | lancelot24 | thanks dpkg |
| 08:04.23 | zdom | can it support in sarge? |
| 08:04.32 | lancelot24 | with the gnome wm running on it |
| 08:04.34 | jm_ | zdom: it's a question of kernel supporting it, not Sarge |
| 08:04.38 | lancelot24 | but |
| 08:04.49 | jm_ | !tell lancelot24 -about enter |
| 08:05.11 | jm_ | 2.6.12 support Realtek 8169 |
| 08:05.15 | nvz | lancelot24: take your time, split your question up over the course of 15 or 20 minutes, try and confuse the helpers to the point they lose interest |
| 08:05.33 | lancelot24 | gnome2 seems to not read the /etc/XF86Config-4 file |
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| 08:05.36 | zdom | well, then I better get intel lan card for my sarge box |
| 08:05.47 | nkuttler | lancelot24: hm, why should it? |
| 08:05.50 | lancelot24 | 'cause i set a resoltion that gnome does not run |
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| 08:06.13 | nvz | lancelot24: so read the X log and see why that is. |
| 08:06.27 | lancelot24 | it seems that the gnome-display-properties applet runs indipendently from the XF86Config-4 |
| 08:06.28 | jm_ | why? 2.6.8 also supports 8169 |
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| 08:06.49 | lancelot24 | i read the log but withut any issue..... |
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| 08:07.05 | lancelot24 | otr any hint... |
| 08:07.09 | zdom | really? great then |
| 08:07.19 | zdom | where can I check about this jm_ |
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| 08:08.19 | lancelot24 | for example the maximum resolution it seems to support is 1024x768,while in my config file i set 1280x1024! |
| 08:08.24 | lancelot24 | and i'm on a laptop |
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| 08:08.36 | lancelot24 | it's the first time i've a similar trouble |
| 08:09.16 | lancelot24 | is anyone reading me? |
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| 08:10.35 | cathy | hi |
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| 08:10.53 | sep | lancelot24, there are 658 people reading you and we are also ignoring you untill you come with a real spesific question that are on one line and not spead across a whole screen |
| 08:10.56 | fireba11 | hi cathy |
| 08:10.59 | pacman | read the XFree86.log file. |
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| 08:11.07 | cathy | hello |
| 08:11.23 | hackeron | hey, I'm just setting up openldap and I'm a bit confused. If using the recommended sasl authentication, I had to add every user to both the ldap database and sasl database?? |
| 08:11.24 | cathy | how are you? |
| 08:11.44 | cathy | yeah |
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| 08:12.22 | cathy | hi |
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| 08:12.35 | jm_ | zdom: kernel config? |
| 08:12.36 | ggl6 | hello |
| 08:12.38 | lancelot24 | pacman i read that log, but i did'nt have any hint! |
| 08:12.50 | jm_ | zdom: just load the module and check if it works |
| 08:12.54 | zdom | jm_ how can I know 2.6 kernel's hardware support list? |
| 08:13.06 | fireba11 | cathy: you need help with anything ? or just here to chat ? |
| 08:13.21 | cathy | just here to chat |
| 08:13.34 | cathy | fireball Why? |
| 08:13.38 | zdom | cathy here is debian irc channel, not chat channel |
| 08:13.48 | ggl6 | how do I print to a windoze printer shared on the network from a linux client? what package do I need just samba? |
| 08:13.50 | cathy | ah ok |
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| 08:14.03 | lancelot24 | in that file is written, for example, that the rresolution setting on 1024x768 comes after the int810 module loading, so i tried to shutdown that module loading!But without any solving...:-( |
| 08:14.15 | zdom | jm_ any website i can check about this? |
| 08:14.23 | fireba11 | cathy: most people are here with problems or to help others with theirs :-) |
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| 08:16.19 | darkness2 | Can someone lead me towards a beginners/inter tut on editing the bootloader lilo so i can install kernel 2.6.8-2-k7? |
| 08:16.52 | fireba11 | darkness2: if you use debian and install kernel with apt-get it will be added automagically |
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| 08:17.25 | Pfated | darkness2: manpages are lovely things. |
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| 08:18.09 | darkness2 | I know. So apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 will set up lilo for initd? |
| 08:18.13 | dimir | Morning. |
| 08:18.36 | fireba11 | yes .. also for grub if oyu use that :-) |
| 08:18.40 | Pfated | You mean initrd, but if you're not certain of it, you can always visually inspect it. |
| 08:19.13 | bob2 | darkness2: if you installed sarge, yes |
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| 08:19.40 | darkness2 | bob2: how do i double check sarge is installed? |
| 08:19.45 | zdom | hi, anyone can tell me, which website i can check for kernel supported hardware list? |
| 08:19.46 | jm_ | zdom: just check kernel config, there are sites with HW compatibility lists, but I have no idea how up to date they are |
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| 08:19.55 | fireba11 | bob2: woody doesn't add kernels to bootloader ? |
| 08:20.01 | bob2 | darkness2: wha does "uname -r" print? |
| 08:20.08 | zdom | jm_ so what way should i use to check this? |
| 08:20.18 | jm_ | zdom: make menuconfig, grep, google |
| 08:20.20 | bob2 | fireba11: it does, but the default lilo.conf doesn't have an initrd line, and all the installable kernels need it, but don't add it |
| 08:20.29 | M23 | do I have to have a 2.6 kernel to use USB memory sticks? |
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| 08:20.32 | darkness2 | bob2: i've just been upgrading so mabe i SHOULD reboot? |
| 08:20.34 | bob2 | fireba11: after yo uadd it once, it works magically |
| 08:20.37 | jm_ | M23: of course not |
| 08:20.41 | zdom | jm_ i tried google bust lost, i will try make way |
| 08:20.43 | zdom | thx |
| 08:20.47 | fireba11 | bob2: ah, okay .. |
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| 08:20.49 | M23 | okay, then the post lies..... |
| 08:21.01 | bob2 | fireba11: sarge's default kernel does use an initrd, so it's all setup already |
| 08:21.18 | darkness2 | bbiam. |
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| 08:22.23 | pacman | but this guy's upgrading from a 2.2.20-idepci |
| 08:22.32 | pacman | so he has the woody (or earlier?) lilo.conf template |
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| 08:23.12 | bob2 | ah, didn't get what kernel he/she was on |
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| 08:24.55 | rendi | Cannot load allinone.tcl: Problem loading the http package: can't find package http |
| 08:24.57 | rendi | can help me |
| 08:25.46 | rendi | hello ? |
| 08:25.48 | bob2 | yay tcl |
| 08:25.53 | bob2 | what are you trying to run? |
| 08:25.56 | fireba11 | bob2: there's always something new to learn :-) |
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| 08:26.08 | rendi | my script tcl |
| 08:26.15 | rendi | can't find http package |
| 08:26.58 | rendi | apt-get install http <== i do this but nothing found |
| 08:27.23 | jm_ | yeah, coming up with a random package names will help |
| 08:27.27 | rendi | E: Couldn't find package http |
| 08:27.37 | bob2 | shockingly, it's not in the package called http |
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| 08:27.51 | pacman | what the fsck is allinone.tcl? |
| 08:28.00 | bob2 | "my script tcl" |
| 08:28.12 | bob2 | rendi: try #tcl |
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| 08:32.28 | rendi | !ping me |
| 08:32.34 | rendi | i'm waiting ... |
| 08:32.38 | rendi | i'm lag or ? |
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| 08:33.19 | pacman | rendi, nobody has any idea what you're trying to do. |
| 08:33.26 | M23 | okay so does anyone know a good guide for setting up USB keys on 2.4 kernel in sarge? |
| 08:33.27 | rendi | hehehe |
| 08:33.29 | rendi | thanks |
| 08:33.32 | jm_ | I bet it's a script for eggdrop or bitchx |
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| 08:33.45 | jm_ | insert key, mount key |
| 08:34.02 | mutante | do you know of a "pg-mysql" (postgres to mysql) converter in a debian package? |
| 08:34.19 | rendi | i run on redhat is wel |
| 08:34.19 | rendi | but in debian dumb |
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| 08:34.45 | jm_ | mutante: yes |
| 08:35.01 | jm_ | actually no, only mysql -> pgsql |
| 08:35.22 | lancelot24 | ok...i'm running the official debian sarge distro with the gnome2 wm but it does not read the /etc/X86Config-4 file.I set a resolution of 1280x1024 but the gnome-display-properties applet seems to run indipendently with a 1024x768 resolution.How could i solve this trouble? |
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| 08:35.43 | mutante | jm_: people told me mysql would offer a pg-mysql converter,though |
| 08:35.58 | mutante | jm_: but cant find it using apt-cache |
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| 08:36.20 | jm_ | mutante: so ask those people about it |
| 08:37.00 | nkuttler | lancelot24: you sure do mean /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? are you sure your graphics card/monitor support 1280x1024? |
| 08:37.39 | lancelot24 | yeah nkuttler,/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 08:37.59 | lancelot24 | and my video card supports all the resolutions |
| 08:38.16 | lancelot24 | it's the first time i touch a similar problem! |
| 08:38.52 | nkuttler | lancelot24: i'd ask #gnome or #debian-gnome |
| 08:38.55 | lancelot24 | pacman, GNOME I ALSO A WINDOW MANAGER! |
| 08:39.04 | nkuttler | lancelot24: no, it's not |
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| 08:39.24 | lancelot24 | there's noone in #gnome that answers me..:-( |
| 08:39.46 | lancelot24 | and i didn't know about the existence of #debian-gnome |
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| 08:40.06 | nkuttler | !tell lancelot24 about gnome |
| 08:40.46 | pacman | wow, late night is Engrish time on the IRCK. |
| 08:40.49 | hutgyrr | im after coming in this morning and my box is chugging away that I cant do anything with it. The hard disk activity is through the roof. However, I just left it last night burning a DVD and theres just a terminal windows open |
| 08:40.59 | nkuttler | pacman: it's early morning |
| 08:41.05 | hutgyrr | how can I troubleshoot it |
| 08:41.08 | pacman | for some :) |
| 08:41.34 | nkuttler | time for 2nd breakfast, actually |
| 08:41.35 | toxygen | hutgyrr: ssh connect from other machine to it |
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| 08:41.53 | hutgyrr | toxygen: why? |
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| 08:42.26 | toxygen | hutgyrr: to troubleshoot it |
| 08:42.35 | pacman | if you "can't do anything with it" then you hit the power button |
| 08:43.11 | hutgyrr | well I can type stuff into the terminal, its just unbelievably slow |
| 08:43.40 | nkuttler | hutgyrr: run top or something else that's useful to see what's happening |
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| 08:43.46 | pacman | you might try running top -q |
| 08:44.08 | M23 | how can I tell what device name my USB key is? It's not mounted (yet). |
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| 08:44.22 | jm_ | kernel will write it to the logfiles |
| 08:44.22 | nkuttler | M23: try /var/log/messages |
| 08:44.56 | hutgyrr | what should I be looking for here now? |
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| 08:45.38 | nkuttler | hutgyrr: there is probably one process that consumes a lot of cpu, which one is it? |
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| 08:47.00 | hutgyrr | none of them are consuming much CPU, but nautilus is using about 90% of memory |
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| 08:47.14 | abdel | saluttttttttttttttttt |
| 08:47.14 | pacman | if it's heavy disk traffic that's killing things, the CPU might not be overloaded |
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| 08:47.20 | abdel | heheooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 08:47.41 | nkuttler | might not, but usually is |
| 08:47.52 | nkuttler | hutgyrr: kill it |
| 08:48.16 | pacman | yes, nautilus sounds very expendable |
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| 08:48.31 | Garp | Hi |
| 08:48.45 | rhalff | hi, how come a PREROUTING rule doesn't show with iptables -L, or should it ? |
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| 08:48.52 | nkuttler | hutgyrr: in top you can just type 'k' and enter the pid |
| 08:48.58 | jm_ | rhalff: read iptables man page and tutorial |
| 08:49.01 | abdel | hiiiiiiiiii |
| 08:49.04 | JoshX | heya |
| 08:49.08 | abdel | hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 08:49.09 | simonrvn | rhalff: -t nat, -t mangle, -t filter, just like with -A or -I |
| 08:49.10 | Garp | Question: when serveral apt repositories provide a given package, how does apt-get choose from where it download it? Is there a way to suggest a prefered mirror ? |
| 08:49.12 | nkuttler | abdel: do you have a debian related question? |
| 08:49.13 | JoshX | can i ask a NFS related question? |
| 08:49.28 | simonrvn | abdel: do you mind? that's rather distracting |
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| 08:49.50 | rhalff | jm_, simonrvn thanks |
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| 08:50.23 | mwilson | JoshX: Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 08:50.23 | JoshX | does anyone know why 'ls' on a mounted NFS share takes ages but once i have the list, copying files i very fast? |
| 08:50.31 | JoshX | mwilson: i just did :) |
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| 08:56.44 | Erpo | Hi all. I'm getting a weird error when I sudo ethereal. When I try to save my capture file in my (not root's) home directory, I get the error: 'You don't have permission to move the capture file to "/home/eric/test.cap"'. Shouldn't the process, which is running as root, have permission to save its capture file anywhere? |
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| 08:57.58 | hutgyrr | yep, thats fine now. What could nautilus possibly have been doing? |
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| 08:58.31 | pacman | it was having a seizure apparently |
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| 09:03.51 | JoshX | nobody knows? |
| 09:03.52 | JoshX | 10:50 < JoshX> does anyone know why 'ls' on a mounted NFS share takes ages but once i have the list, copying files i very fast? |
| 09:04.03 | zdom | ./msg nickserv identify zdom hihi |
| 09:04.29 | barat__ | great |
| 09:04.52 | zdom | lol |
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| 09:09.49 | M23 | okay, /var/log/messages does not show my usb key, and I cannot use usbmount or pmount becuase they want a 2.6 kernel. What else can I check to get my USB key working? |
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| 09:10.28 | nkuttler | M23: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 09:11.03 | M23 | not yet, but I have considered doing it.... |
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| 09:11.17 | nkuttler | M23: tail -f /var/log/messages, plug key out, plut in |
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| 09:11.30 | nkuttler | s/plut/plug/ |
| 09:11.48 | morky | hi, is there anybody who can help me in configing apache2? |
| 09:11.49 | M23 | then I guess I can use a 2.6 |
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| 09:12.30 | nkuttler | !tell morky about ask |
| 09:12.40 | sep | morky, we dont hold your hand, but if you have a problem with a spesific issue you can ask |
| 09:12.57 | morky | the matter is: it cant find users sites on the net if i type: www.server.hu/user |
| 09:12.59 | fireba11 | morky: likely .. just ask your question |
| 09:13.08 | M23 | Sep 29 10:10:28 localhost kernel: usb.c: USB disconnect on device 02:00.1-2 address 23 |
| 09:13.26 | M23 | Sep 29 10:10:31 localhost kernel: hub.c: new USB device 02:00.1-2, assigned address 24 |
| 09:13.26 | M23 | Sep 29 10:10:36 localhost kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout |
| 09:13.26 | M23 | Sep 29 10:10:37 localhost kernel: hub.c: new USB device 02:00.1-2, assigned address 25 |
| 09:13.26 | M23 | Sep 29 10:10:40 localhost usb.agent[4153]: usb-storage: already loaded |
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| 09:13.46 | sep | morky, www.server.hu/~username is the default i imagine |
| 09:13.57 | M23 | thought that was gonna happen |
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| 09:14.03 | nkuttler | !tell M23 about paste |
| 09:14.30 | nkuttler | M23: but of course you did it nonetheless |
| 09:14.41 | M23 | wasn't sure if it would be over the limit |
| 09:14.51 | morky | it doesnt work too |
| 09:15.07 | M23 | anyway..... |
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| 09:15.25 | sep | morky, and you have enabled the UserDir module ? |
| 09:15.51 | M23 | any of that message help? |
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| 09:16.09 | nkuttler | M23: well we didn't see the complete message... |
| 09:16.12 | morky | yes, i think... in apache2.conf? |
| 09:16.17 | M23 | oh. one sec. |
| 09:16.25 | sep | morky, no withe the a2enmod command |
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| 09:16.39 | M23 | it's on #flood |
| 09:16.49 | sep | a2enmod enables modules a2dismod disables moduels |
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| 09:17.12 | nkuttler | M23: hm, iirc it should display the device, try /dev/sda1 |
| 09:17.29 | morky | where can i find it? |
| 09:17.50 | morky | etc/apache2/modules_enbled? |
| 09:18.01 | M23 | iirc? |
| 09:18.10 | nkuttler | morky: /etc/apache2/mods-available, make a symlink in mods_enabled |
| 09:18.10 | sep | morky, type in shell as root a2enmod userdir |
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| 09:18.41 | r3tex_ | my .xinitrc file is not being read =( how do i load my custom keymap? |
| 09:18.51 | nkuttler | r3tex_: use ~/.xsession |
| 09:19.00 | r3tex_ | hmm ok |
| 09:19.07 | sep | morky, the a2enmod tool creates the sumlinks you need for you |
| 09:19.17 | M23 | nkuttler, oh, that works. Didn't earlier just kept saying invalid block device. weird. |
| 09:19.33 | sep | morky, you can do it manualy, remember to symlink both the .conf and the .lod files |
| 09:19.37 | sep | .load |
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| 09:19.45 | morky | im using mc |
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| 09:20.24 | M23 | nkuttler, thanks... |
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| 09:20.45 | fireba11 | sep: now that's lazy .. a command to create that symlink .. never thought of that, i always did that manually :-) |
| 09:21.34 | morky | it says The module already enabled |
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| 09:22.09 | sep | fireba11, well it also gives you a list of available modules you can enable. i guess it's easier to tell people to run a2enmod then to explain about symlinks and that you might or might not need to symlink several files |
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| 09:23.18 | fireba11 | sep: yes .. since i like good 'ol midnight commander its just two keystrokes anyway |
| 09:24.48 | sep | fireba11, havent used a commander since dopus 4.12 on amiga |
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| 09:25.34 | fireba11 | well .. it reminds of good 'ol 268-times with norton commander .. ;-) |
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| 09:26.26 | fireba11 | er .. 286 even |
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| 09:27.00 | hutgyrr | what are umasks? |
| 09:27.46 | sep | hutgyrr, man 2 umask |
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| 09:28.33 | hutgyrr | ive no man entry for it |
| 09:28.58 | sep | hutgyrr, what debian version ? i have on my sarge |
| 09:29.22 | Guerin | sep: i don't. |
| 09:29.38 | hutgyrr | its old |
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| 09:29.50 | morky | re |
| 09:30.06 | sep | Guerin, you have manpages-dev package ? |
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| 09:30.30 | Guerin | sep: nope. |
| 09:30.30 | morky | 404-es HTTP:=( |
| 09:30.39 | Guerin | sep: so that'd be why :) |
| 09:30.43 | sep | Guerin, aye. |
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| 09:31.01 | sep | Guerin, but i was of the illution that all executable commands should have manpages in debian |
| 09:31.11 | Guerin | sep: haha |
| 09:31.16 | bob2 | umask isn't an executable |
| 09:31.19 | bob2 | it's a shell built-in |
| 09:31.25 | bob2 | the manpage is for the C function of the same name |
| 09:32.42 | sep | hutgyrr, apt-get install manpages-dev && man 2 umask |
| 09:32.46 | sep | there then ! |
| 09:32.50 | sep | *grrrr* |
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| 09:33.59 | sep | how can i remove the 'there is no manpage for umask' part from dpkg's umask factoid ? |
| 09:34.04 | uira | anyone see the problem when upgrade login package? |
| 09:34.27 | uira | s/see/any/ |
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| 09:34.47 | morky | what have do? now the main page has error too, not just the users pages |
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| 09:35.15 | uira | s/"s/see/any/"/"s/the/any"/ |
| 09:35.20 | uira | hoho! |
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| 09:42.13 | fireba11 | is there even a "simple" way to do that ? |
| 09:42.40 | Ecker | i hope |
| 09:42.47 | boxerboy29 | gm everyone i have question librenet 2.8.1 i have both librenet and debian sources and i see ppl talking about upgrading to srage does that mean i already did the upgrade to sarge? |
| 09:43.11 | hutgyrr | if you have a share called C$, what exactly is this? |
| 09:43.31 | Guerin | boxerboy29: libranet is not debian; you can't upgrade from one to the other. |
| 09:43.49 | Whitman | Ecker, check an app called alien, should be able to convert rpms to debs |
| 09:43.55 | maatttt | It is usually a hidden share for C: |
| 09:44.02 | M23 | hutgyrr, standard windows hidden share |
| 09:44.12 | pablob | the $ means hidden? |
| 09:44.14 | Guerin | boxerboy29: trying to do so will make a frankenstein OS which is unsupportable by practially anyone; don't do it. |
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| 09:44.21 | boxerboy29 | oh ok ty i might have miss read it than |
| 09:44.32 | hutgyrr | oh right and whats the point in it? |
| 09:44.35 | boxerboy29 | oh ok thank you |
| 09:44.45 | Guerin | boxerboy29: yer welcome |
| 09:44.57 | Guerin | Ecker: alien |
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| 09:45.15 | maatttt | it provides remote access to the C:, permissions permitting. |
| 09:45.34 | Ecker | alien -d |
| 09:45.38 | Ecker | got it thanks |
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| 09:45.50 | fireba11 | someone remove that security.debian.org is slow message from topic, it's back to normal |
| 09:46.09 | Guerin | fireba11: tell an op next time yoou see one |
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| 09:46.20 | r3tex_ | how do i do so my alsa mixer settings are restored at boot? |
| 09:46.36 | eolo | hi guys, i'm getting crazy in having an rtl8201 working with amd64bit ubuntu...someone had the same problem?? |
| 09:46.37 | fireba11 | !ops remove the slow server message from topic, it's back to normal :-) |
| 09:46.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: remove the slow server message from topic, it's back to normal :-) |
| 09:47.17 | fireba11 | hm .. some ops here i never saw talking the last month ;-) |
| 09:47.26 | M23 | is there an FTP source for security updates? |
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| 09:48.07 | Guerin | M23: tried ftp://security.d.o? |
| 09:48.23 | M23 | not yet, but will do. |
| 09:48.35 | Guerin | fireba11: i've not seen some of those ops active in here in the past year; of course, that doesn't mean they're not here |
| 09:48.51 | fireba11 | :-) |
| 09:49.46 | antgel | eolo: please ask a sensible question if you want help. and #debian-amd64 |
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| 09:50.11 | fireba11 | antgel: ubuntu even ^^ |
| 09:50.14 | sep | eolo, use #ubuntu |
| 09:50.25 | antgel | fireba11: whatever :) |
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| 09:51.14 | eolo | i'm sorry not on an ubuntu but on a debian distro... |
| 09:51.30 | antgel | eolo: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 09:55.24 | eolo | ok, i start again, the distro i would like to use is a debian sarge 32 bit, the problem i have is that sarge doesn't recognize rtl8201cl and doesn't install the net...what shall i do? |
| 09:55.42 | antgel | eolo: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 09:57.59 | Ecker | hey whatjava do i need to apt-get |
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| 09:58.25 | nkuttler | Ecker: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 09:59.41 | antgel | Ronin: that's why i asked |
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| 10:00.35 | Guerin | Ecker: topic |
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| 10:01.24 | M23 | Guerin, I can't get anything out of ftp://security.debian.org/ It connects but fails to get anything |
| 10:02.13 | Guerin | M23: seems not, then. Why do you need ftp? It's inferior to http in almost all ways, and those ways it's not aren't of use in s.d.o's job. |
| 10:03.40 | M23 | Guerin, yeah I know, but it order to use apt at work and at home, I have to use ftp. either that or I have to change proxy settings everytime I change location. |
| 10:03.42 | mgh0^ | has anyone sucessfully installed debian onto an MSI K8N Neo 4 Platinum Nforce 4 mobo? |
| 10:03.59 | M23 | with FTP I don't have to change anything |
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| 10:04.13 | Guerin | M23: ah. |
| 10:04.26 | kombi | how do write in a file on a remote machine from script? |
| 10:04.55 | Guerin | kombi: using ssh and your choice of stream editing tool |
| 10:05.12 | kombi | ssh [remote machine]; cat [something] ? |
| 10:05.18 | Guerin | kombi: cat, echo, ed, sed, awk, perl, etc.. |
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| 10:06.14 | kombi | Guerin: thanks, I just wonder how to determine that the script is actually doing it on the remote machine? |
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| 10:07.10 | Guerin | kombi: put && echo "omgitworkedlol" |mailx -s yay kombi@badgers.com; after it and it'll send you an email |
| 10:07.27 | kombi | Guerin: thanks! |
| 10:07.39 | Guerin | kombi: or any of a zillion other ways. |
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| 10:08.06 | antgel | dilemma time. we're writing a paper for customers comparing free and commercial software. gut feeling is to use latex. is there any point in looking at docbook for this? |
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| 10:10.10 | hutgyrr | antgel: what do you work at |
| 10:10.23 | michal_ | does anyone know how to get find to return results inside quotes? |
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| 10:11.20 | jm_ | michal_: why should it? |
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| 10:11.42 | michal_ | jm: so that i can use the results |
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| 10:12.35 | michal_ | actually.. i think i know a hackish way of doing it :/ |
| 10:12.35 | jm_ | michal_: use them how? |
| 10:12.49 | michal_ | jm: pass the resutls to rm -rf |
| 10:12.56 | petemc | great idea! |
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| 10:14.43 | michal_ | worked it out |
| 10:14.45 | michal_ | -printf "\"%h%f\"\n" |
| 10:14.47 | boyd | read find(1) and xargs(1) and look for -print0 and -0 respectively |
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| 10:15.17 | michal_ | boyd: i don't see how those would have helped me get the quotes |
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| 10:15.51 | michal_ | oops |
| 10:15.53 | michal_ | missing a / |
| 10:16.09 | michal_ | -printf "\"%h/%f\"\n" |
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| 10:17.05 | antgel | hutgyrr: hmm? |
| 10:17.07 | bwana147_ | hi all |
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| 10:17.34 | bwana147_ | I f*cked up my postfix install |
| 10:17.50 | michal_ | finally this worked |
| 10:17.52 | michal_ | find . -name *.del -printf "\"%h/%f\"\n" | xargs rm -rf |
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| 10:18.33 | boyd | michal_: If what you want is a find to rm pipe the 0 options are the safest way. What happens if a file has a double-quote in it's name |
| 10:19.02 | DarkMaul | can you people tell me if debian is a good choise for a deskyop pc |
| 10:19.06 | boyd | find . -name '*.del' -print0 | xargs -0 rm -rf |
| 10:19.06 | DarkMaul | with multimedia |
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| 10:19.30 | resiak | boyd: Note the %h in his printf. |
| 10:19.34 | bwana147_ | originally, I had my_origin set to my ISP's domain. But messages from MAILER-DAEMON were suffixed with @myisp.net, and when replied to MAILER-DAEMON, her message went to my ISP and I never got it. |
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| 10:19.44 | michal_ | boyd: none of them do. but most have spaces |
| 10:19.49 | bwana147_ | I set my_origin to my hostname |
| 10:19.54 | sep | DarkMaul, debian is good at everything, you will find other distributions easier to start a desktop with, but we all use it for everything |
| 10:20.14 | DarkMaul | would the installation be hard |
| 10:20.15 | DarkMaul | ? |
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| 10:20.38 | bwana147_ | but now, the envelopes of my outgoing mails end up in @hostname, and are refused by my ISP's smarthost |
| 10:20.39 | sep | DarkMaul, not if you can read the installation guide |
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| 10:21.14 | bwana147_ | any pointer to a simple howto to do the Right Thing without first becoming a Postfix expert ? |
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| 10:22.26 | bwana147_ | or is the enveloppe something my MUA should take care of ? |
| 10:22.49 | boyd | michal_: none of the have spaces _this_ time. the 0 version is shorter and deals with all valid filenames. (needs a -- though) |
| 10:23.05 | resiak | boyd: And how do you make it just print directory names? |
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| 10:23.26 | boyd | resiak: I don't understand what you are saying the %h adds |
| 10:23.30 | michal_ | boyd: what are you talking about.. they DO have spaces.. that |
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| 10:23.45 | michal_ | boyd: that's the entire point of getting the "'s around the results |
| 10:23.52 | boyd | michal_: Sorry.. "none have quotes _this_ time" |
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| 10:24.04 | asxnot | Hi there!! I'm using Debian Sarge and I have problems with samba... Can I ask help here? |
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| 10:24.35 | michal_ | boyd: they would never have quotes but if they did the rm -rf would be non-destructive anyway. |
| 10:24.40 | antgel | !test |
| 10:24.40 | dpkg | No, antgel, you're not online any more. |
| 10:24.46 | boyd | BTW, look at find's -exec ... {} + option to eliminate the xargs |
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| 10:25.00 | antgel | !tell asxnot about ask |
| 10:25.01 | resiak | boyd: %h Leading directories of file’s name (all but the last element). |
| 10:25.14 | resiak | boyd: He wants the names of directories that contain the appropriate file. |
| 10:25.16 | michal_ | resiak: yes but i also had %f |
| 10:25.43 | antgel | !wb dpkg |
| 10:25.45 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned! |
| 10:25.52 | resiak | michal_: ... Right, but then your command won't delete the directories that contain the files in question. |
| 10:26.03 | michal_ | resiak: thought i was in a situations that i just need the %h yesterday this isn't the same :) |
| 10:26.08 | hutgyrr | anyone here use BackupPC? |
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| 10:26.23 | jm_ | michal_: never heard of -print0 and xargs -0? |
| 10:26.23 | resiak | michal_: Oh. In that case, you want find -blah -blah -print0 | xargs -0 rm -rf |
| 10:26.24 | michal_ | resiak: in this instant the directory names have the *.del |
| 10:26.36 | michal_ | jm: they don't work with spaces when i try them |
| 10:26.42 | boyd | "\"%h/%f\"res |
| 10:26.43 | jm_ | michal_: yes they do |
| 10:26.48 | hutgyrr | ive just set it up and I want to test the configuration. Is there a way to get it to instantly try and backup |
| 10:26.53 | boyd | resiak: That's what I _said_ :) |
| 10:26.54 | michal_ | jm: it just returned instantly and rm -rf failed |
| 10:27.06 | resiak | boyd: I know :) Sorry, I thought he was asking a question he asked yesterday. |
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| 10:28.55 | jm_ | michal_: honestly, it works just fine, that's the idea behind it |
| 10:29.13 | molsen | KDE RuLeZ!!! |
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| 10:30.51 | nakeee | I upgraded from xfree to xorg in etch and now I'm missing packages |
| 10:31.10 | nakeee | is there a howto or so that tells me which packages I need? |
| 10:31.22 | boyd | Anyone here using dvdauthor (specifically spumux)? |
| 10:31.29 | resiak | nakeee: Why do you think you're missing packages? |
| 10:31.37 | streuner | did you use 'apt-get install x-window-system-(core)'? |
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| 10:31.50 | antgel | !tell boyd about ask |
| 10:32.43 | r3tex | how do i make my alsa mixerlevels get remembered until next bootup? |
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| 10:33.17 | jm_ | use ALSA init script to save the values |
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| 10:33.33 | boyd | ok, ok I'm having a problem with spumux in that it won't read my valid PNG files for the menu hilights. Googling seems to say that the problem is fixed by downgrading to imagemagick 6.0.6.2-2.4, but that's the version I'm using already |
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| 10:33.59 | nakeee | resiak I get Fatal server error: could not open default cursor font 'cursor'; |
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| 10:34.08 | nakeee | resiak, and then some lines about installing more packages |
| 10:34.09 | nomed | hi all |
| 10:34.14 | resiak | nakeee: Oh. |
| 10:34.22 | resiak | n/ng/gs/ |
| 10:34.41 | nomed | can i use a vanilla kernel to generate debian kernel-headers? |
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| 10:34.47 | antgel | boyd: all i can suggest is to check the bts |
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| 10:34.59 | ptlis | Hi, when trying to install OpenOffice.org on my Sarge box I get the following message: "Package openoffice.org is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source" - I don't have to compile OpenOffice myself do I? |
| 10:35.14 | r3tex | jm_: thankx |
| 10:35.19 | jm_ | no, Sarge has open-office |
| 10:35.25 | boyd | antgel: Did, and got the same answer.. may be time to log, I think |
| 10:35.41 | nomed | " /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.12.6/scripts/gcc-version.sh: No such file or directory" <-- should this normally exists? |
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| 10:36.12 | ptlis | What's the package name - I can't see a package that deals with the base oo.o system. |
| 10:36.22 | ptlis | Only language packs, theasauruses etc |
| 10:36.31 | jm_ | !tell ptlis -about search |
| 10:36.46 | ptlis | jm_, that's what I used. |
| 10:37.11 | ptlis | Looking through the output of that, I can't find the base package. |
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| 10:37.28 | jm_ | ptlis: you didn't read through all of your results |
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| 10:38.01 | syntaxx | is there any samba doc installation for debian? |
| 10:38.27 | jm_ | install samba, edit config file |
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| 10:39.10 | syntaxx | jm_: yeah i already done that.. but the problem is i saw the shared files on winxp bat when i tried to browsed it.. it was empty |
| 10:39.55 | jm_ | syntaxx: I don't understand it - you saw them where? how couild you see them if you didn't browse for it? |
| 10:41.01 | syntaxx | jm_: i used linneighborhood.. i saw the windows and double click into it.. and saw the shared folder.. but the shared folder doesnt have any files in it |
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| 10:41.18 | ptlis | jm_, well, this is the output of "apt-cache search open office": http://ptlis.com/temp/oo.o.txt |
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| 10:41.34 | jm_ | syntaxx: you don't use samba for that, samba is used to let Windows machines browse files on Linux machines |
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| 10:41.39 | ptlis | Maybe i'm missing something, but there certainly doesn't appear to be a base open-office package. |
| 10:41.42 | jm_ | ptlis: does it include -bin? |
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| 10:42.06 | ptlis | jm_, i'm not sure what you mean. |
| 10:42.11 | jm_ | can't get to it for some stupid reason |
| 10:42.20 | jm_ | ptlis: grep -- -bin oo.o.txt |
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| 10:42.29 | syntaxx | jm_: know any good tutorial installing samba on debian? |
| 10:42.48 | ptlis | jm_, nope. |
| 10:42.58 | jm_ | syntaxx: no idea, I edited it by hand - you may need to supply a valid username/password in LNBG |
| 10:43.04 | jm_ | ptlis: are you using Sarge? |
| 10:43.08 | ptlis | jm_, I am. |
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| 10:43.21 | r3tex | anyone know a gui for wireless config? wlassistant is cool but its not in apt =/ |
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| 10:43.37 | jm_ | ptlis: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=openoffice&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 10:43.38 | ptlis | I've just thought - i'm using the unofficial AMD64 bit hosted by MIT. |
| 10:43.44 | ptlis | That would be why, I presume |
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| 10:43.47 | jm_ | ahh yes, that's important ;) |
| 10:43.54 | ptlis | >< |
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| 10:43.59 | ptlis | I'd forgotton about that. |
| 10:44.03 | karl | From docs I have figured out that postgres vars are created by bash_profile of user postgres. If I su postgres evrything is set. But if I /etc/init.d/postgres start - nothing is set. Any ideas? |
| 10:44.14 | jm_ | it doesn't exist for AMD64 |
| 10:44.19 | ptlis | :/ |
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| 10:44.31 | liable | r3tex: really, the interfaces file isnt as hard as you think, and you will learn stuff.. :) |
| 10:44.35 | jm_ | karl: what should be set? |
| 10:44.49 | karl | Postgres runs under postgres acording to ps. |
| 10:44.55 | jm_ | yes, so? |
| 10:45.12 | karl | I just want to set up a variable for a location for a database |
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| 10:45.34 | jm_ | setting it in bash_profile won't help, you need to do it in init script, but this sounds like a wrong idea |
| 10:46.03 | karl | What is the right aproach? |
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| 10:46.05 | ptlis | Oh well, I guess i'll just redesktop to a Windows machine and use it on there. Thanks jm_. |
| 10:46.23 | jm_ | to keep the databases in the dir where Debian expects them? |
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| 10:47.06 | karl | jm_: I have a crypted partition and some databases I want to keep there |
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| 10:47.38 | antgel | ptlis: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id272095 |
| 10:47.53 | boyd | remoting to windows from debian to run openoffice just smells all wrong, somehow |
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| 10:48.07 | jm_ | karl: then just do it in the init script |
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| 10:48.23 | ptlis | Thanks antgel. |
| 10:48.38 | syntaxx | jm_: in xp i saw in workgroups my debian but cant browse it yet.. does that mean the 2 pc's are connected already? |
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| 10:48.52 | bhong | ctc an1? |
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| 10:49.01 | ptlis | boyd, it feels wrong, but I need to modify my CV now so I don't have time to try to find a better solution. |
| 10:49.09 | jm_ | syntaxx: that means you already have Samba running |
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| 10:49.24 | syntaxx | jm_: ok |
| 10:49.27 | karl | jm_: Can you explain why it does not use bash_profile (It is present by default maybe there is a way to make it start using it) |
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| 10:50.43 | honschu | Are there manpages for kernel-functions like "copy_from_user" ? |
| 10:51.05 | jm_ | karl: because bash_profile is read only by interactive shells, and I doubt it actualyl calls su, it probably uses things like setuid/setgid |
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| 10:52.17 | karl | jm_: Is this the way start-stop-daemon behaves ? |
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| 10:53.04 | lordurza | anyone here familier with PA-Risc and SCSI hdd's? |
| 10:53.41 | deadlink | why tc show mi RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument on |
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| 10:55.05 | jm_ | karl: yes |
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| 10:55.09 | inc|freaky | when i do ./configure it says: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check --> what package am i missin? |
| 10:55.21 | karl | jm_:thanks |
| 10:55.21 | sussudio_ | inc|freaky: brains? |
| 10:55.35 | sussudio_ | inc|freaky on #debian #ubuntu #kubuntu |
| 10:55.38 | lordurza | jm have any info on older scsi devices? |
| 10:55.54 | jm_ | sorry I have to go now ;) |
| 10:55.54 | inc|freaky | sussudio_: im just looking for short help |
| 10:56.04 | lordurza | jm_ thanks anyways m8 |
| 10:56.16 | sussudio_ | inc|freaky: you will get no help for ubuntu here. also, the message is telling you EXACTLY what you're missing. |
| 10:56.28 | inc|freaky | i have cpp installed. thats my problem |
| 10:56.40 | inc|freaky | its no ubuntu specific help its a apt-get problem imho |
| 10:56.47 | sussudio_ | !ubuntu |
| 10:56.47 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
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| 10:57.08 | lordurza | sussudio know any info on older Scsi devices? |
| 10:57.16 | liable | !factinfo ubuntu |
| 10:57.16 | dpkg | ubuntu -- created by Shadowcat <i=shadowca@c-935f70d5.033-47-73746f7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> at Sat Aug 13 20:57:25 2005 (46 days); it has been requested 84 times, last by sussudio_, 29s ago. |
| 10:57.18 | inc|freaky | do you dont help me ? |
| 10:57.19 | sussudio_ | lordurza: what the hell? |
| 10:57.27 | inc|freaky | *so |
| 10:57.39 | lordurza | ? I need some info on Scsi-2 hdd's for a HP K class Enterprise K380 |
| 10:57.41 | inc|freaky | cant you just tell me what package im missing i was looking for a cpp-dev package but there is none |
| 10:57.48 | sussudio_ | lordurza: ask HP? |
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| 10:58.06 | sussudio_ | or, like... google? |
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| 10:58.23 | lordurza | sussudio why waist the time speaking with HP reps on that when I just wondered if any of the local debian users knew the answer to the question on Scsi-2 F/W/D |
| 10:58.28 | syntaxx | jm_: i click my debian on windows but it says no network path what do i need to check it for? =\ |
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| 10:59.12 | sussudio_ | lordurza: you didn't ask a question, you took a poll. |
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| 10:59.53 | lordurza | took a poll? no I dont think I did I wanted to know who had info so I could ask the question as to which hdd's would be best for it seeing as I plan on installing Debian on it to add to my beowulf of K8's |
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| 11:00.17 | sussudio_ | bah |
| 11:00.21 | Gnea | lordurza: then why didn't you state that in the beginning? |
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| 11:00.45 | inc|freaky | sussudio_: from ppl like you ppl dont really get helped and thats what this channel all about. there something called beeing friendly, and if you dont want to help ppl then just dont say anything |
| 11:00.45 | lordurza | well then I am sorry as to not mentioning my full intentions as to why I wanted the info Gnea |
| 11:01.06 | inc|freaky | we're all human |
| 11:01.12 | inc|freaky | having problems |
| 11:01.13 | petemc | im not |
| 11:01.16 | sussudio_ | inc|freaky: yeah.. and i already told you this isn't #ubuntu. moron. |
| 11:01.16 | Gnea | lordurza: that's fine, but technically yes, you took a poll. :) |
| 11:01.19 | Shadur | inc|freaky: If you don't like it here you're welcome to leave. |
| 11:01.39 | inc|freaky | look, i use debian on my server i often got helped here, thats why i came here to ask. |
| 11:01.43 | lordurza | I simply would love to get the big coffee table sized server up and running to play with it on my cluster see what those 6 way PA-Risc processors can do even if it is from 1998 |
| 11:01.44 | Gnea | petemc: you're not human? |
| 11:01.54 | petemc | nope |
| 11:01.55 | sussudio_ | ubuntu doesn't behave like debian, so you will not get ubuntu questions answered here. |
| 11:01.59 | Shadur | inc|freaky: And in this case you asked what we'd call a "stupid" question, or at least an incomplete one. |
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| 11:02.12 | Gnea | petemc: what are you? |
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| 11:02.17 | Shadur | I just scrolled up to your original "problem". |
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| 11:02.22 | sussudio_ | Oliver25: die? |
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| 11:02.23 | Shadur | Oliver25: English, please. |
| 11:02.27 | Gnea | !english Oliver25 |
| 11:02.28 | petemc | Gnea: toad |
| 11:02.34 | Oliver25 | sorry |
| 11:02.38 | Gnea | petemc: you get licked a lot? |
| 11:02.39 | inc|freaky | sussudio_: this is no ubuntu question. its a missing package and the package names are mostly the same as the ones from debian as ubuntu is debian based. the only thing i want to know what package im missing. its ok to ask here, imho |
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| 11:02.42 | Oliver25 | I am appologiese |
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| 11:02.56 | petemc | Gnea: im not psychotropic, unfortunately |
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| 11:02.59 | Oliver25 | It wont hapend again |
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| 11:03.11 | Shadur | inc|freaky: You don't know whether it's a missing package - the only error message you pasted was "c++ preprocessor fails sanity check". |
| 11:03.12 | resiak | inc|freaky: It _IS_ an Ubuntu question. Get into #ubuntu. The fact that the answer is probably apt-get install build-essential is neither here nor there. |
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| 11:03.13 | inc|freaky | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check <-- this is what i get and you can probably get the same error on debian. i have cpp installed |
| 11:03.15 | sussudio_ | ubuntu users are just dumb to understand. why do i bother. |
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| 11:03.41 | Shadur | Nothing indicates that you did anything intelligent like reading config.log to find the details of both the sanity check and the nature of the failure. |
| 11:03.44 | sussudio_ | i wonder if irssi has an auto-ignore script for users that are in #ubuntu |
| 11:04.13 | Shadur | sussudio_: You'd have to either /whois on every join, or periodically /names #ubuntu |
| 11:04.15 | liable | inc|freaky: but, you *dont* use debian, so go to ubuntu, ffs, do we ask i ubuntu for debian help? |
| 11:04.16 | resiak | sussudio_: It would be trivial to write. |
| 11:04.16 | lordurza | sussudio im sure you could make your own of course that would mean spending the time doing it ;p |
| 11:04.16 | inc|freaky | resiak: ill try, thx :) |
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| 11:04.32 | sussudio_ | resiak: or i could just background irssi for a couple of weeks again |
| 11:04.37 | inc|freaky | liable: im a debian user, too and i would help ubuntu ppl ;) |
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| 11:04.42 | ice_1963 | lol\ |
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| 11:04.47 | Gnea | ok kids, lemme know when you've gotten past high school, i'll be doing something constructive... |
| 11:05.02 | sussudio_ | Gnea: rebuilding new orleans? |
| 11:05.05 | lordurza | inc|freaky whats the apt-get problem? |
| 11:05.08 | inc|freaky | resiak: thank you!! :D |
| 11:05.09 | resiak | inc|freaky: Yes, do help them ... in #UBUNTU!!! |
| 11:05.15 | resiak | FFS, how hard is this? |
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| 11:05.30 | resiak | lordurza: The problem is that he's too stupid to realise that he needs a compiler to compile things. :) |
| 11:05.32 | inc|freaky | resiak: the next time ill say i have the problem with debian, the answer you give me would be the same |
| 11:05.41 | sussudio_ | "we built the first castle in the swamp, it sank." |
| 11:05.44 | ice_1963 | thst's a start lol |
| 11:05.46 | lordurza | lol |
| 11:05.50 | antgel | inc|freaky: you're fighting a losing battle |
| 11:05.52 | Pfated | Then we built a second one, and that sank too. |
| 11:06.02 | Gnea | sussudio_: i've never built a city before, though i couldn't do it on my own. |
| 11:06.05 | inc|freaky | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.12 | sussudio_ | Gnea: we built this city on rock and roll |
| 11:06.15 | lordurza | inc|freaky whats the problem with apt-get?? |
| 11:06.18 | liable | sussudio_: hah, where did i here that? i cant remember, but it rings a bell.. |
| 11:06.18 | antgel | inc|freaky: *nod* |
| 11:06.18 | Gnea | ahaha |
| 11:06.24 | sussudio_ | liable: NI |
| 11:06.36 | resiak | lordurza: There isn't a problem with apt-get, per se |
| 11:06.38 | inc|freaky | lordurza: i got it thx it was just a missing package ;) |
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| 11:06.50 | Gnea | liable: it's a song |
| 11:06.52 | honschu | Are there manpages for kernel-functions like "copy_from_user" ? |
| 11:07.13 | liable | hrm, dont remember it as a song. |
| 11:07.23 | sussudio_ | no, it's a sketch |
| 11:07.42 | lordurza | resiak perhaps you could help me with a small problem what is a fast-wide scsi-2.... is that saying either fast or wide or is fast-wide a type? I know it needs a 68pin scsi-2 but wanted to be sure on the type I needed for a device I got for free |
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| 11:07.54 | Gnea | o/~ we built this city on roooooooooock and roll! built this city! o/~ |
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| 11:08.07 | Gnea | it was quite generic |
| 11:08.15 | liable | !smack Gnea |
| 11:08.22 | liable | :) |
| 11:08.24 | sussudio_ | i have the maxi single with the extended remix. |
| 11:08.25 | Gnea | ? |
| 11:08.38 | Gnea | heh |
| 11:08.45 | liable | Gnea: no, you got the wrong idea on that one. |
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| 11:09.04 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:09.05 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> A girl has invited me to learn it with her, from a video, in her bedroom :) |
| 11:09.09 | Gnea | liable: and that idea was..? |
| 11:09.30 | ice_1963 | go man go |
| 11:09.43 | liable | Pfated: you got a url for it? |
| 11:09.50 | lordurza | nvm on the scsi device.... I feel dumb |
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| 11:09.54 | Pfated | liable: Beh? |
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| 11:10.07 | lordurza | suppose I shouldnt read manuals on things while being horribly tiered ;p |
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| 11:10.13 | lordurza | wow typo |
| 11:10.33 | liable | the damn sketch/cartoon/whatever it was that reminded me of what sussudio_ and Pfated said... |
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| 11:11.25 | Gnea | Pfated: they're talking about something in relation to a lyric that went "we built this city on rock and roll" |
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| 11:11.36 | liable | no, not that bit. |
| 11:11.41 | Gnea | oh |
| 11:11.45 | Gnea | <- dumb |
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| 11:11.52 | Pfated | liable: Monty Python and the Holy Grail. |
| 11:11.54 | sussudio_ | liable: http://www.rit.edu/~smo4215/monty.htm |
| 11:11.55 | Pfated | FGI. |
| 11:11.58 | liable | the built a castle and it sank bit.. |
| 11:12.00 | Pfated | :) |
| 11:12.00 | Gnea | hey |
| 11:12.04 | antgel | can we please stop talking about that song |
| 11:12.06 | Pfated | Yeh, it was Python. |
| 11:12.06 | Gnea | good one :) |
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| 11:12.36 | Gnea | trojan rabbits. |
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| 11:12.51 | Pfated | Heh. |
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| 11:13.08 | Gnea | and flying chickens |
| 11:13.14 | Pfated | And cows. |
| 11:13.31 | Gnea | with carts of legs |
| 11:13.41 | liable | but how much can a laden swallow carry?... |
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| 11:13.52 | Gnea | african or european? |
| 11:14.35 | Pfated | It really doesn't matter, because an African swallow would never be here. |
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| 11:14.41 | liable | better not degenerate into this any further, it could go for hours... |
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| 11:14.47 | Pfated | Heheh. |
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| 11:15.18 | Gnea | hey a swallow is a swallow, and if it's sweet, then all the better |
| 11:15.38 | Pfated | Heh. |
| 11:15.43 | Gnea | :) |
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| 11:17.09 | resiak | lordurza: No, I couldn't help you. What gave you the idea that I could? :) |
| 11:17.28 | lordurza | resiak sok m8 doesnt matter I answered my own question but thx |
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| 11:22.51 | kakalake | hello |
| 11:23.04 | kakalake | I downloaded a debian source package |
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| 11:23.21 | lordurza | kakalake and? |
| 11:23.33 | kakalake | now i want to build the binary files and create a debian package. How to do this |
| 11:23.48 | kakalake | there is a debian path with a rules file.. |
| 11:23.57 | resiak | debian/rules binary |
| 11:24.02 | kakalake | i configured my programm |
| 11:24.29 | kakalake | do i have to build the binaries or rules will do thits for me? |
| 11:24.57 | resiak | It will do it |
| 11:24.59 | kakalake | what i the order. Call configure...Call rules....call dpkg -i ...? |
| 11:25.13 | kakalake | i only have to configure my programm |
| 11:25.22 | kakalake | i only have to create a makefile |
| 11:25.23 | kakalake | thats all |
| 11:25.29 | kakalake | and then call rules |
| 11:25.39 | kakalake | debian/rules? |
| 11:26.02 | lordurza | Kakalake please put all of that on one line rather then many lines ;p makes it easier for us to read and itll do all that for you is what resiak said ;p |
| 11:26.05 | poncha|work | how can i force reinstall of the flash *plugin* not the *plugin installer* ? |
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| 11:26.23 | liable | !simple sid backpot |
| 11:26.26 | poncha|work | (installer does not find newer version and just quits) |
| 11:26.31 | liable | !simple sid backport |
| 11:26.31 | dpkg | simple sid backport is, like, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 11:26.44 | liable | kakalake: you do that ^^^ |
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| 11:27.06 | liable | kakalake: but without thew sid bit.. |
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| 11:28.15 | kakalake | i will try it |
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| 11:28.42 | darkness2 | Hi folks.I've messed up my dual boot sys.One with deb the other windows which i've restored and got working.Where can i get a bootloader from such as lilo? |
| 11:29.14 | liable | why wtf you want to build it from source anyway... |
| 11:29.24 | Zedman | hello. if there is a echo after a su in a shell-script. the echo don't have an output. is there a way to change this? |
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| 11:29.39 | antgel | darkness2: use a live cd to reinstall your bootloader |
| 11:29.42 | liable | meh, to much beer, nite.. |
| 11:29.48 | kakalake | i called debian/rules |
| 11:30.16 | kakalake | it sais: make: Nothing to be done for `configure'. |
| 11:30.16 | darkness2 | antgel: I can't find my disk 1 of deb. |
| 11:30.32 | antgel | darkness2: so> |
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| 11:31.09 | resiak | kakalake: Erm, like I told you, `debian/rules binary`. |
| 11:31.09 | antgel | kakalake: read the new maintainers guide |
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| 11:31.21 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:36.59 | hutgyrr | what could cause JPEG images to get truncated or lose data when saved over a network |
| 11:37.11 | antgel | hutgyrr: a network problem |
| 11:37.24 | hutgyrr | should tcp/ip not look after putting them back together properly |
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| 11:37.46 | hutgyrr | crc checks an all |
| 11:37.50 | fireba11 | that's why its a PROBLEM |
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| 11:38.54 | xiaogil | Is there an atlas freeware for linux ? |
| 11:39.30 | antgel | hutgyrr: it might be a problem one layer above tcp |
| 11:39.39 | fireba11 | don't think so .. maps are always commercial |
| 11:40.22 | hutgyrr | ok |
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| 11:41.29 | hutgyrr | http://maps.google.com/ |
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| 11:43.51 | mejo | unicode_start from console-tools does not work any longer (i quite believe that this is since i upgraded pam and shadow in unstable). |
| 11:44.07 | mejo | 'locale charmap' gives: ANSI_X3.4-1968 |
| 11:44.18 | mejo | that's wrong, before it gave 'UTF-8' |
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| 11:45.20 | xiaogil | is there a world map soft for linux ? |
| 11:45.32 | Shadur | xearth? |
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| 11:45.58 | Ronin | Shadur: not exactly map software |
| 11:46.13 | xiao | what can get /etc/environment lost its effect? I found that the setting in it has no effect |
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| 11:48.27 | mejo | xiao: the same here. |
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| 11:48.34 | mejo | xiao: do you use unicode locales? |
| 11:48.43 | mejo | xiao: and u use unstable? |
| 11:48.45 | Gnea | xiao: you have to add: ./etc/environment to your ~/.bashrc |
| 11:48.48 | Gnea | er |
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| 11:48.51 | Gnea | . /etc/environment |
| 11:49.10 | mejo | Gnea: current unstable ignores locales completely, i just investigated that. |
| 11:49.23 | Gnea | mejo: . /etc/environment |
| 11:49.25 | mejo | but i'm not sure what to debug next |
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| 11:49.39 | Gnea | put it in your env and see then. |
| 11:49.47 | mejo | Gnea: 13:49 < mejo> Gnea: current unstable ignores locales completely, i just investigated that. |
| 11:49.50 | Gnea | it may not be the best fix, but it works. |
| 11:50.06 | Gnea | mejo: yes, i realized that weeks ago |
| 11:50.31 | Gnea | mejo: here is a fix to get by until a proper fix is accomplished. |
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| 11:51.43 | mejo | Gnea: which fix? it doesn't work to source /etc/environment in bash! |
| 11:51.52 | xiao | mejo: i am using utf-8 locale and unstable both. |
| 11:52.08 | Gnea | mejo: it does here, at least it shuts apt and perl up |
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| 11:52.42 | kakalake | where i can get the mp3lame dev. package? |
| 11:52.43 | xiao | Gnea: in the fact, it works well before. I think maybe it just happened after last upgraduation. |
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| 11:53.24 | mejo | xiao: what does 'locale charmap' give? |
| 11:53.29 | xiao | kakalake: you should get it from sf.net and compile it yourself |
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| 11:53.39 | mejo | it should give 'UTF-8', but it gives 'ANSI_X3.4-1968' |
| 11:53.56 | Gnea | hrm, i get the same |
| 11:54.01 | mejo | i quite believe that this is since i upgraded pam and shadow from recently. |
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| 11:54.54 | mejo | my mutt depends on a working utf8 console, and i use it daily. today is the first day i recognized that the thread view is messed up. |
| 11:55.06 | xiao | mejo: yes, it is just like you said. and locale gave "POSIX" |
| 11:55.08 | mejo | and i upgraded pam and shadow yesterday. |
| 11:55.17 | mejo | xiao: exactly, see #flood |
| 11:55.31 | mejo | so now the question is, where is the bug. |
| 11:55.50 | mejo | it doesn't help to report a bug against pam when we're not sure that it is pam. |
| 11:55.53 | mejo | but i quite believe that. |
| 11:56.10 | mejo | best would be to test older pam packages from snapshot.debian.org |
| 11:56.30 | mejo | sorry, snapshot.debian.net |
| 11:56.50 | mejo | i'll do so in an hour or so, but first i have to do some other things. |
| 11:56.59 | xiao | mejo: i think it just caused by the packages that upgrade within three days. |
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| 11:57.30 | mejo | xiao: exactly, and the only two related packages i can remember are shadow and pam. |
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| 11:58.24 | mejo | but shadow 4.0.12-4 (login & passwd) was already uploaded before that bug occured, they uploaded -5 later with some minor fixes. |
| 11:58.54 | ircops | hola |
| 11:59.01 | olczyk | Hey all I got a question about installing. |
| 11:59.02 | olczyk | I just finished the base install. Now that I am installing my packages is there a nice GUI for apt-get? |
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| 11:59.19 | mejo | and pam 0.79-1 (libpam0g, libpam-modules, libpam-runtime) upgraded to a new upstream yesterday, and it is quite related to console stuff. |
| 11:59.19 | Shadur | olczyk: I like aptitude |
| 11:59.32 | olczyk | Thanks Shadur. |
| 11:59.40 | fireba11 | olczyk: i don't knwo it you think its nice but there is aptitude if you want some gui |
| 11:59.42 | mejo | olczyk: or if you need a graphical one, try synaptic. |
| 12:00.11 | mejo | xiao, Gnea: are you interested in investigating this bug? |
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| 12:00.46 | Gnea | mejo: yeah, i am - i'm trying to get utf-8 to work right now properly |
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| 12:01.04 | mejo | i think that it would at least be good to find out what caused it, and then report a appropriative bugreport. |
| 12:01.11 | Gnea | somehow this system didn't have any locales setup |
| 12:01.19 | Gnea | agreed |
| 12:01.39 | mejo | Gnea: i already tried that, and nothing worked. iÄ'll try older packages of pam as next. |
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| 12:02.12 | Gnea | mejo: what version of pam? |
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| 12:02.54 | mejo | the recent upgrade brought 0.79-1, and i guess that the one before that was 0.76-23. |
| 12:03.20 | Zvpun | what is a good starting point for utf8? I have set LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 and locales -a shows this to be valid, still the terminal (Alt-F1, ...) dont show umlauts but show two messed up characters instead |
| 12:03.31 | olczyk | Hmm. Does apt-getkeep track of upward dependencies? If A depends on B, and B is installed when A is. Now you remove A does B get removed if there are no new dependencies on it? |
| 12:04.13 | Gnea | hrm, my system has 0.76-23 |
| 12:04.20 | Gnea | probably been awhile since i upgraded |
| 12:05.02 | Gnea | Zvpun: i'm trying to read http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html but i could only get to a google cache |
| 12:05.41 | Gnea | > http://tinyurl.com/c65nx < |
| 12:05.49 | asg | olczyk: no, that's why there is 'deborphan' and 'debfoster'. aptitude apparently can do this but someone will have to verify that since I don't use it. |
| 12:05.59 | Gnea | of course, this was for woody |
| 12:06.00 | ryback | >phishing?< |
| 12:06.09 | Zvpun | Gnea: Thanks, I got to eat something and take a look later, thanks! |
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| 12:06.12 | Gnea | ryback: relative link. |
| 12:06.19 | Gnea | Zvpun: np |
| 12:06.22 | olczyk | Thanks all. |
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| 12:07.44 | xiao | mejo: i think that the following packages may cause that problem "libpam-runtime libpam0g libpam-modules login passwd" |
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| 12:08.20 | cbr | what kernel should i use on the i386 distribution with an AMD Athlon64 processor? |
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| 12:08.40 | Gnea | !tell cbr about amd64 |
| 12:08.48 | cbr | Gnea: not helpful |
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| 12:09.08 | Gnea | cbr: them's the breaks - why aren't you using a 64-bit enabled os? |
| 12:09.29 | cbr | because debian has no openoffice for amd64 (dunno why) and flash doesnt work on it |
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| 12:09.44 | Gnea | cbr: yes, it does - it's run in a special 32-bit mode |
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| 12:09.55 | Gnea | cbr: it gets chrooted |
| 12:10.10 | cbr | Gnea: you need to do various steps to achieve that, right? |
| 12:10.20 | cbr | and that's not native |
| 12:10.26 | cbr | OOo can be natively compiled for 64bit |
| 12:10.32 | xiao | Gnea: what's your pam packages' version? mine is 0.79-1 |
| 12:10.35 | Gnea | cbr: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id272095 |
| 12:10.51 | Gnea | xiao: i'll find out in a bit, updating |
| 12:11.16 | antgel | cbr: suggest you help the debian amd64 team get their act together ;) |
| 12:11.20 | Gnea | cbr: right, 64bit isn't exactly rock-stable just yet. |
| 12:11.38 | xiao | Gnea: you have found the reason that caused the problem? |
| 12:11.48 | Gnea | xiao: still searching |
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| 12:13.24 | xiao | Gnea: is it caused by the packages among " libpam-runtime libpam0g libpam-modules"? |
| 12:13.41 | Gnea | cbr: of course, if you really need something now, fc4 seems to have their act together |
| 12:14.03 | Gnea | xiao: it seems to be pointed in that direction |
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| 12:14.56 | nakeee | does anyone uses xorg 6.8 in etch? |
| 12:14.58 | johnnybezak | hey guys how do I install a .deb that I got off the web? |
| 12:15.06 | nakeee | and can tell me if they also get Symbol FontCacheChangeSettings from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a is unresolved! |
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| 12:15.22 | antgel | !tell johnnybezak about grounding |
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| 12:15.40 | Gnea | johnnybezak: dpkg -i file.deb |
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| 12:15.48 | antgel | johnnybezak: man dpkg. you should have a good reason to do this i.e. the app is not in debian |
| 12:15.52 | johnnybezak | Gnea: thnx man |
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| 12:15.58 | johnnybezak | antgel: thats the reason :) |
| 12:16.19 | xiao | Gnea: I checked dpkg.log, and found that possible packages maybe that three packages and login |
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| 12:16.54 | Gnea | xiao: looks like i'm slated for 0.79-1 next |
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| 12:17.22 | Gnea | ok, it's in place |
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| 12:18.31 | Gnea | o.O |
| 12:18.32 | s0n1 | hi |
| 12:18.35 | johnnybezak | i'm wondering if my sources.list is broken would someone be able to double check searching for a package for me? |
| 12:18.39 | s0n1 | dist-upgrade in unstable |
| 12:18.43 | s0n1 | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 13003 package `apache': |
| 12:18.43 | s0n1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.43 | s0n1 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 12:18.49 | s0n1 | what's this? |
| 12:18.59 | Gnea | s0n1: a problem. |
| 12:19.02 | TTT | hi, i want to run a process in foreground from bash, and store its pid in a pid file, is it possible to do that from bash? I was thinking maybe run the job in background, then echo $! >pid_file then switch that job to foreground, but fg/jobs doesn't seem to work from bash scripts |
| 12:19.16 | Gnea | !tell johnnybezak about pastebin |
| 12:19.21 | s0n1 | maik:~# dpkg -l |grep apache |
| 12:19.22 | s0n1 | dpkg-query: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 13003 package `apache': |
| 12:19.22 | s0n1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:19.34 | antgel | johnnybezak: you can use the bot. what package? |
| 12:19.35 | Gnea | !tell s0n1 about pastebin |
| 12:19.45 | johnnybezak | daap |
| 12:19.57 | antgel | !info daap sarge |
| 12:20.03 | TTT | s0n1: your /var/lib/dpkg/status file is broken, try opening it with a text editor and see what's wrong there |
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| 12:20.14 | antgel | !info daap sid |
| 12:20.21 | johnnybezak | sorry should be a d |
| 12:20.22 | johnnybezak | daapd |
| 12:20.28 | Gnea | s0n1: looks like a script somewhere has had 'apache' overwritten with 'an.org' |
| 12:20.44 | Gnea | debi is missing :) |
| 12:20.44 | johnnybezak | !info daapd sarge |
| 12:20.51 | johnnybezak | !info daapd sid |
| 12:20.58 | johnnybezak | !info daapd etch |
| 12:21.01 | antgel | !tell johnnybezak about msg the bot |
| 12:21.27 | antgel | johnnybezak: looks like it's not in debian |
| 12:22.16 | ice_1963 | johnny be good |
| 12:22.18 | johnnybezak | antgel: damn that's annoying LP |
| 12:22.21 | johnnybezak | antgel: damn that's annoying :P |
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| 12:24.30 | antgel | johnnybezak: it's odd, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/164 suggests that it's in debian. |
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| 12:24.49 | johnnybezak | antgel: it's wierd because there are references on the net to some of these packages, for example I want to install libhowl0 (apparently packaged by jeff waugh) but its not there |
| 12:24.55 | johnnybezak | antgel: yeah I know its wierd |
| 12:25.13 | antgel | johnnybezak: perhaps they are in non-free or contrib? |
| 12:25.17 | rope | what componets/packages do I need for NFS (kernel 2.4.31 NFS enabled) - kernel server and clients |
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| 12:25.49 | TTT | ok, is it possible to write a pid of a process you start in a foreground to some file with bash? |
| 12:25.55 | antgel | rope: what is stopping you using the provided tools to search the repo? |
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| 12:26.32 | johnnybezak | antgel: nah I've got them in my sources.list |
| 12:26.57 | rope | antgel: i can search, just i do not know what to install, did google but did not find much |
| 12:27.18 | antgel | rope: what does google have to with it? apt-cache search nfs |
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| 12:27.58 | Gnea | xiao: ah HA! |
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| 12:28.07 | Gnea | UTF-8 |
| 12:28.19 | shuning | why do some packages give "but it's not going to be installed" messages? |
| 12:28.25 | ice_1963 | must be comeing from ubuntu |
| 12:28.29 | rope | antgel: e.g. do i need nfs-kernel-server when the nfs is built into the kernel? |
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| 12:29.06 | xiao | Gnea: i deupgrade libpam* from 0.79 to 0.76, and the problem disappears |
| 12:29.08 | antgel | rope: how about apt-cache show nfs-kernel-server |
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| 12:29.31 | Gnea | xiao: and i'm on 0.79 |
| 12:29.31 | TTT | shuning: because you did not tell apt to install these packages? maybe because they cannot be installed due to some conflicts/dependencies? |
| 12:29.39 | Gnea | xiao: check it: |
| 12:29.47 | xiao | then what's the point? |
| 12:29.49 | shuning | it normally happens to depedency packages |
| 12:29.53 | mejo | Gnea: what did you do to achieve this? |
| 12:29.56 | honschu | Where is parport0 ? |
| 12:30.05 | shuning | and when i try to explicitly install those, i get more of the same messages |
| 12:30.10 | mejo | Gnea: only upgraded to 0.79? |
| 12:30.14 | shuning | i was under the impression apt would take care of them |
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| 12:30.40 | rope | antgel: thanks, did not know about "show" |
| 12:30.55 | mejo | Gnea: if you already had that problem with pam 0.76-23, the bug cannot be related to pam. |
| 12:31.00 | antgel | shuning: replace your impression with facts. man apt-get, look for the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 12:31.03 | xiao | mejo: the latest 0.76 works. |
| 12:31.25 | Gnea | a) dpkg-reconfigure locales b) set your locale to something like en_US.UTF-8 c) click 'ok' it will regenerate the locales d) if you try locale charmap, it will still think ANSI* e) export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 f) run locale charmap |
| 12:31.30 | mejo | xiao: that is the latest 0.76 release (0.76-23). |
| 12:31.41 | antgel | rope: read the debian reference. if something as basic as apt-cache show isn't there, please file a bug |
| 12:31.42 | shuning | antgel - it does not happen during upgrade or dist-upgrade, it occurs when i do something like apt-get install kde-amusement |
| 12:31.46 | Gnea | mejo: that was it :) |
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| 12:32.48 | antgel | shuning: best thing is to run aptitude interactively, mark what you want to install, hit g, and scroll through the list, looking in the bottom pane for information |
| 12:33.00 | shuning | hrm ok, rgr that |
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| 12:33.16 | xiao | Gnea: well, after reboot, what you have dons still has effece? |
| 12:33.29 | honschu | I have a 2.6 kernel, where to add "ppdev" to be loaded automatically on boot? |
| 12:33.33 | Gnea | xiao: reboot? i haven't rebooted this machine in *months* |
| 12:33.34 | xiao | Gnea: sorry, effect |
| 12:33.54 | Ronin | whos reboots anyhow? |
| 12:34.10 | mejo | Gnea: youÄ' correct, but you have to do 'export ...' on every new console to turn it into utf8 mode. |
| 12:34.31 | Gnea | xiao: well what i suggest is setting up the env variables in something like /etc/environment then just sourcing it in your ~/.bashrc |
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| 12:35.00 | xiao | Gnea: i have export that in /etc/environment, but no effect. |
| 12:35.04 | Gnea | echo "export LC_CTYPE=UTF-8" > /etc/environment |
| 12:35.08 | Gnea | errr |
| 12:35.11 | Gnea | that's wrong... |
| 12:35.15 | azeem | xiao: /etc/environment is not a shell script, AFAIK |
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| 12:35.18 | Gnea | echo "export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8" > /etc/environment |
| 12:35.19 | Schiz0 | Hey...I'm setting up xserver-xorg, and it's asking me what video drivers to use...I use the video card intergrated into my motherboard...so I dunno what to put for it...anyone know>? |
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| 12:35.46 | TTT | Schiz0: do lspci -v, then see which one is your video card |
| 12:35.53 | Schiz0 | k |
| 12:35.57 | antgel | johnnybezak: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=294934 |
| 12:36.04 | Gnea | ok, hold up |
| 12:36.05 | Gnea | i goofed |
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| 12:36.28 | xiao | well, i just write that LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8, and this works fine with libpam0.76-23 |
| 12:36.42 | Gnea | xiao: now try it with 0.79 |
| 12:36.43 | Schiz0 | TTT- it says intel corp graphics controler, VGA compatable |
| 12:36.45 | antgel | Schiz0: lspci. i hope you're not using testing or unstable |
| 12:36.53 | Schiz0 | I am using testing... |
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| 12:37.13 | xiao | after upgrade to 0.79, it doesn't works |
| 12:37.21 | TTT | Schiz0: so you have intel corp graphics controller :) there should be some intel controllers in the list that's asking you what video do you have |
| 12:37.43 | xiao | need i add export before the items in environment? |
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| 12:37.46 | antgel | Schiz0: why are you using testing when you are new enough not to know how to work this out? |
| 12:37.53 | antgel | xiao: not on my box, i don't |
| 12:37.55 | Schiz0 | I'm not new to linux or debian. |
| 12:38.06 | Schiz0 | And it doesn't say anythign about intel in the list. |
| 12:38.24 | antgel | Schiz0: then i'm surprised you are asking |
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| 12:38.32 | quittt | opera is free from ADs now |
| 12:38.34 | quittt | great@!!!! |
| 12:38.44 | Gnea | mejo: wow, :set charset="utf-8" in mutt works now |
| 12:38.46 | asg | quittt: it's still non-free |
| 12:38.51 | quittt | asg, who cares |
| 12:38.53 | quittt | it is great |
| 12:38.57 | antgel | quittt: some people |
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| 12:39.05 | hutgyrr | how does opera size up against firefox |
| 12:39.05 | asg | quittt: Debian people care |
| 12:39.09 | bibe | quittt : many people, at least here |
| 12:39.14 | Shizu-pG | jemand deutsch ? |
| 12:39.19 | cheal | it's useless to argue with quittt |
| 12:39.20 | quittt | bibe, why? it is a great browser |
| 12:39.30 | antgel | cheal: i see what you mean |
| 12:39.37 | Gnea | quittt: that bum down the street milking the bottle of gin - i bet he doesn't care! |
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| 12:39.42 | bibe | quittt : it's a non-free browser |
| 12:39.44 | azeem | Shizu-pG: #debian.de |
| 12:39.44 | mejo | Gnea: yes |
| 12:39.49 | quittt | bibe, yes it is |
| 12:39.53 | quittt | bibe, what is the problem? |
| 12:40.02 | jethro | quittt: read the dfsg |
| 12:40.03 | Gnea | !beer mejo |
| 12:40.05 | Shizu-pG | your mouther is the problem bitch |
| 12:40.05 | asg | quittt: does it come with source? |
| 12:40.05 | Gnea | !beer xiao |
| 12:40.06 | mejo | Gnea, xiao: it looks like it's a bug in pam 0.79-1 (environment/locale handling). |
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| 12:40.19 | mejo | Gnea, xiao: who writes a bugreport? |
| 12:40.25 | Gnea | mejo: anyone |
| 12:40.26 | quittt | dont you used Netscape for a long time?? Communicator... it is non-free too |
| 12:40.36 | bibe | quittt : many people won't use a non-free program, even if it's great |
| 12:40.40 | Gnea | mejo: but i'm using libpam-runtime 0.79-1 with it |
| 12:40.49 | quittt | bibe, obsession sux... |
| 12:40.50 | xiao | Gnea: you write one? |
| 12:40.50 | Guerin | communicator isn't great, though |
| 12:40.54 | mejo | Gnea: we don't need to write three bugreports... |
| 12:40.57 | quittt | Guerin, yeah it isnt |
| 12:41.02 | Gnea | xiao: but it's working for me |
| 12:41.03 | jethro | many people will also be bored by trolls on free/non free software in a support channel. mind to take it elsewhere? |
| 12:41.12 | mejo | Gnea: yes, with manual export it works, but with locales in /etc/environment, it doesn't work. |
| 12:41.30 | bibe | quittt : what can be an obsession for you can be fundamental to others, and vice versa. |
| 12:41.34 | Gnea | mejo: wait - what did you put in your /etc/environment ? |
| 12:42.12 | mejo | the 'LC_CTYPE=DE_de.UTF-8' |
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| 12:42.33 | Gnea | is that accurate? should it not be de_DE.UTF-8? |
| 12:42.34 | mejo | Gnea: it's not a shell script, 'export LC_CTYPE=...' won't work there. |
| 12:42.34 | quittt | bibe, by saying that a browser is bad because of its license is pretty stupid... I mean.. they do it for the money because they have families etc... so if you don't like close licenses dont think that will be games... |
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| 12:42.53 | jethro | *plonk* |
| 12:42.54 | Gnea | mejo: yes, i realized that - i goofed and already noted it |
| 12:43.07 | shuning | this is whacked. the depenecies go down like 6 levels |
| 12:43.08 | shuning | :/ |
| 12:43.14 | mejo | Gnea: you're correct, anyway it works with manual 'export LC_CTYPE=...' but not with the locale set in /etc/environment. |
| 12:43.21 | shuning | and all of them are "but it's not going to be installed" |
| 12:43.43 | Gnea | mejo: and you're sure ~/.bashrc is being called properly with it? |
| 12:44.08 | Gnea | if ~/.bash_profile has . ~/.bashrc commented out... |
| 12:44.10 | quittt | bibe, capitalism is great but when you start to do bad products because of it.... that's the problem |
| 12:44.15 | Zvpun | Gnea: I came in late but if you want to set LANG you should set in in .bash_profile not in .bashrc |
| 12:44.16 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.25 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 12:44.34 | mejo | Gnea: ~/.bashrc is not relevant for loading /etc/environment, that's done by pam when you login. |
| 12:44.44 | jm_ | /etc/environment is used by PAM env module |
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| 12:44.50 | jm_ | not by shells |
| 12:44.53 | Gnea | ah |
| 12:44.55 | Zvpun | you should set environment variables in .bash_profile not in .bashrc |
| 12:44.59 | Guerin | quittt: please to stop talking offtopic shit in #debian |
| 12:45.09 | mejo | /etc/environment is not sourced by bash scripts but loaded by the PAM env module at login, as jm_ said. |
| 12:45.14 | Gnea | my mistake then |
| 12:45.15 | xiao | then it should be caused by libpam-modules? |
| 12:45.21 | Gnea | forget i said anything about ~/.bashrc :) |
| 12:45.47 | mejo | xiao: yes, that's where the bugreport belongs. |
| 12:45.48 | Gnea | mejo: see, i was unaware of that |
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| 12:46.14 | quittt | Guerin, what's the problem? it is offtopic does it makes any problems?? nobody lives for Debian, man... Debian is only a great operating system... you can't do anything more... |
| 12:46.14 | xiao | if add such varies in .bashrc or .bash_profile, it should work. |
| 12:46.22 | azeem | quittt: stop it |
| 12:46.29 | quittt | ok |
| 12:46.31 | Gnea | quittt: stop. |
| 12:46.33 | neutrin0 | greetings |
| 12:46.38 | Guerin | quittt: try to be more coherent if you must troll. |
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| 12:47.03 | xiao | mejo: then write a bug report |
| 12:47.04 | neutrin0 | anyone tell me a bit about route vs iptables? |
| 12:47.23 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: What do you want to know? |
| 12:47.27 | Guerin | neutrin0: what about them? they do utterly different things. |
| 12:47.27 | quittt | Guerin, I'd like to say... what is troll for you maybe is not for me... if I try to argue with obsessive people... really... I am troll but I think this conversion is going nowhere so I will stop |
| 12:47.32 | Gnea | xiao: right, but the point that's being made is that pam has a module that looks for that file and envelopes it before ~/.bash_profile is taken care of, thus passing it on |
| 12:47.33 | neutrin0 | just got mysarge install set up to build a firewall |
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| 12:47.45 | neutrin0 | ok guys cool |
| 12:47.46 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: And what do you want to do? |
| 12:47.49 | Gnea | xiao: so the problem could possibly be with the env module |
| 12:47.55 | Guerin | quittt: three of your words made sense. I reckon you can guess which three I mean. |
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| 12:48.24 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: Firewall between two networks? NAT? Or just firewall that machine? |
| 12:48.46 | cast | right, I have the most complicated problem. is char pronounced 'char' or 'car'? |
| 12:48.53 | neutrin0 | timgoh0 I want to forward all packets from my cable router (hookedinto the firewall) to another box inside my lan |
| 12:48.59 | Guerin | cast: car |
| 12:49.01 | Zvpun | is there a UTF-8 font for the console? |
| 12:49.04 | neutrin0 | I've exaustedly read the howtos |
| 12:49.10 | mejo | Zvpun: see the fonty-rg package. |
| 12:49.15 | Guerin | Zvpun: the linux console? not really. |
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| 12:49.18 | xiao | Zvpun: you can try unifont |
| 12:49.24 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: So you will be needing NAT, and thus iptables. |
| 12:49.29 | neutrin0 | timgoh0:no nat |
| 12:49.30 | mejo | Guerin: yes, there are two. see the fonty-rg package. |
| 12:49.47 | Guerin | Zvpun: on account of the linux text console not supporting a very large number of glyphs |
| 12:49.53 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: Unless you want to set up the box to pass traffic transparently, in which case you'll still need iptables. |
| 12:49.56 | Guerin | mejo: how much utf-8 does it support, though? |
| 12:49.57 | xiao | i'll leave to do some test |
| 12:50.19 | Gnea | mejo: hrm, i wonder if it's a bash problem |
| 12:50.38 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: Or you have been assigned multiple IP addresses for use with your provided, in which case you will use route, coupled with iptables. |
| 12:50.43 | Gnea | grave bugs of bash (3.0-15 -> 3.0-16) <open> #320036 - bash exits 0 on errors reading stdin (and perhaps other scripts) #327477 - Breaks /dev/stdin, stdout, and stderr with UDEV. |
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| 12:51.03 | Gnea | mejo: or have you determined otherwise? |
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| 12:51.12 | mejo | Guerin: it supports at least the several dashes/hyphens and german umlauts. |
| 12:51.16 | Guerin | mejo: sorry, rephrase: obviously the font can include lots of stuff; but what's the use if the console only supports 512 or so glyphs? |
| 12:51.35 | Guerin | well, that's better than nothing |
| 12:52.10 | mejo | Guerin: the mutt and manpages look better now *g* |
| 12:52.15 | Guerin | heh |
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| 12:52.41 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: So exactly how is your network set up? |
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| 12:52.46 | neutrin0 | will iptablesfail if route in improperly configured? |
| 12:52.46 | neutrin0 | *is |
| 12:52.47 | Zvpun | Guerin: can the console only support 512 glyphs? |
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| 12:53.04 | mejo | Gnea: i doubt that it's a bash bug, as bash didn't change when it appeared first, and pam_env.so had problems with /etc/environment in the past. |
| 12:53.11 | Guerin | Zvpun: something like that ... i don't know the detail, but it is some sort of arbitrary limitation. |
| 12:53.20 | Gnea | mejo: ok |
| 12:53.29 | Zvpun | Guerin: why is that, that sounds rather stupid to me. |
| 12:53.30 | timgoh0 | neutrin0? |
| 12:53.42 | Guerin | Zvpun: nowhere near enough to map out even a small proportion of utf-8 |
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| 12:53.54 | Zvpun | Guerin: why do they do that? |
| 12:53.58 | mejo | Gnea, xiao: if you like a copy of the bugreport, give me your email now. |
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| 12:54.02 | neutrin0 | oops |
| 12:54.05 | Guerin | Zvpun: i don't know the whys and wherefores, i just ran into it when trying to utf-8ify everything. |
| 12:54.18 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: It might. It depends on your routing setup. |
| 12:54.24 | Sardukar | hello, i have the hard disk SCSI, and the cd-rom IDE, where is the string i get in boot: expert26 and...? |
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| 12:54.34 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: I need to know your network setut. |
| 12:54.35 | Zvpun | Guerin: i have installed fonty-gr, what do I do next? |
| 12:54.36 | Sardukar | buslogic=iobase for scsi hard disk? |
| 12:54.40 | timgoh0 | s/setut/setup/ |
| 12:54.42 | neutrin0 | ok well I'm after the simplest possible solution untill i know more |
| 12:54.43 | neutrin0 | :) |
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| 12:54.49 | neutrin0 | ok |
| 12:54.50 | Gnea | mejo: thank you :) |
| 12:54.53 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: Consult the netfilter docs. |
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| 12:54.56 | Guerin | Zvpun: read /usr/share/doc/fonty-ng/README.Debian |
| 12:55.07 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: They have examples there. |
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| 12:55.32 | Zvpun | Guerin: there is no fonty-rg/ReADME.Debian or did you mean -ng? |
| 12:55.35 | davidt | i'm running testing, how do i get jre-1.5 for tomcat5? |
| 12:55.38 | neutrin0 | cable modem->Dlink Dl-704p->pii466(firewall,gateway)->internal box |
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| 12:55.40 | davidt | i've added non-free to my sources.list |
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| 12:56.00 | neutrin0 | timoh0:I've been reading all night |
| 12:56.04 | neutrin0 | i'm foo bared |
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| 12:56.10 | Guerin | Zvpun: i meant rg, but i typed ng |
| 12:56.15 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: And what do you want to achieve with the firewall box? |
| 12:56.25 | jm_ | davidt: java-package |
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| 12:56.36 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: Simple firewalling for the internal box? |
| 12:56.44 | neutrin0 | right now all I want to to be able to see the internet from my internal box |
| 12:56.48 | neutrin0 | yes |
| 12:56.51 | davidt | jm: will that give me 1.5 runtime? |
| 12:56.57 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: Let's set up routing first. |
| 12:56.57 | neutrin0 | thankstimoh0 |
| 12:57.01 | neutrin0 | ok cool |
| 12:57.08 | jm_ | davidt: if you download JRE 1.5 from Sun and create a package from it ... |
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| 12:57.29 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: Assuming eth0 goes to your dlink box and eth1 goes to your internal box. (sub as you see fit) |
| 12:57.38 | neutrin0 | ok |
| 12:57.55 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: Set up eth0 such that you can ping from the firewall out to the rest of the internet. |
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| 12:58.00 | neutrin0 | that's acurate |
| 12:58.21 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: Then set up eth1 such that you can ping your internal box from the firewall. |
| 12:58.29 | neutrin0 | can do |
| 12:58.30 | neutrin0 | done |
| 12:59.07 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: Edit /etc/network/options to read ip_forward=yes |
| 12:59.18 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: And do /etc/init.d/networking restart. |
| 12:59.29 | Sardukar | how to installa debian witch an hard disk SCSI? |
| 12:59.29 | davidt | actually tomcat5 is asking for j2sdk1.5 |
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| 12:59.54 | xiao | Gnea, mejo: it should caused by libpam-modules |
| 13:00.15 | Zvpun | Guerin: there is no fonty-rg/ReADME.Debian |
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| 13:00.55 | Guerin | Zvpun: there is a Documentation.html, though. As it happens, I have no idea why you're asking me, since I found out about this package precisely when you did. |
| 13:00.57 | Rawplayer | how can i check if a print device is connected to my parrallel port |
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| 13:01.48 | Zvpun | Guerin: oh, I am sorry. Didn't you say that you utf-8ify everything? |
| 13:01.56 | neutrin0 | ok |
| 13:02.14 | neutrin0 | i had no is\dea that existed and I've been reading all night |
| 13:02.22 | jm_ | Rawplayer: read parport.txt |
| 13:02.23 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: Can you now ping from your internal box to the intarweb? |
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| 13:02.28 | Zvpun | Guerin: do you know if I have to run unicode_start or is that only for woody? Is there a global place for unicode_start? |
| 13:02.41 | xiao | for i upgrade libpam packages except libpam-modules, environment works. but after upgrade libpam-modules, the problem appears. |
| 13:02.41 | Rawplayer | thanks |
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| 13:03.04 | jm_ | I hate unicode_start shit, it causes boot hangs with serial console |
| 13:03.24 | neutrin0 | timgoh0 :negative |
| 13:03.25 | jm_ | I wonder if any progress has been made on this, there's a bug in BTS, but I never told them it's unicode_start that causes |
| 13:03.27 | jm_ | +it |
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| 13:03.41 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: On the firewall, what does netstat -r show? |
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| 13:04.00 | S4nD3r | Hi there. How do I setup my debian to access a DNS server ? |
| 13:04.13 | timgoh0 | S4nD3r: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:04.17 | asg | S4nD3r: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:04.30 | mejo | xiao: i reported a bug against libpam-modules. |
| 13:04.49 | Zvpun | S4nD3r: install resolvconf package and edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:04.53 | neutrin0 | timgoh0: |
| 13:05.03 | neutrin0 | Kernel IP routing table |
| 13:05.04 | neutrin0 | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface |
| 13:05.04 | neutrin0 | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 13:05.04 | neutrin0 | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 13:05.04 | neutrin0 | default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 13:05.06 | Zvpun | S4nD3r: much cleaner and nicer then editing /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:05.14 | neutrin0 | oops |
| 13:05.21 | timgoh0 | neutrin0: /msg |
| 13:05.27 | Zvpun | S4nD3r: you can use dig to test dns servers even if you haven't setup them in resolv.conf |
| 13:05.47 | mejo | Zvpun: there's a bug in console-tools, so you have to run unicode_start on a root-console other than tty1 after reboot. |
| 13:06.19 | mejo | but that may be related to framebuffer, not sure whether you use it. |
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| 13:06.59 | mejo | Zvpun: unicode_start will tell you when youÄ're already in u-8 mode, so there's no problem in running it. |
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| 13:09.40 | xiao | mejo: ok, then i can have a rest :P |
| 13:09.45 | Goofy584 | hi everybody |
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| 13:10.13 | jm_ | mejo: there is a problem running it |
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| 13:11.37 | Goofy584 | has someone a script which gives back the first value (5min) of the load average (uptime), i want to use it for mrtg? thanx for help |
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| 13:13.01 | asg | Goofy584: uptime | awk '{print $9}' |
| 13:13.20 | asg | Goofy584: for 5 min, print $8 for 1 min, and so on. |
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| 13:14.10 | Carlos_Alex | Hi there. How do I setup my debian to access a DNS server ? |
| 13:14.12 | Carlos_Alex | I just can use internet by IP number |
| 13:14.14 | Goofy584 | will try it, thanx |
| 13:14.28 | asg | Carlos_Alex: man 5 resolv.conf |
| 13:14.36 | migiel | when i try to 'mdadm --create' i get this error: opening /dev/md0: no such devices or address, what could be wrong ? |
| 13:14.51 | Guerin | migiel: there's not /dev/md0 would be my guess |
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| 13:15.12 | Carlos_Alex | Im in a network, |
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| 13:15.14 | Carlos_Alex | Im using linux, |
| 13:15.17 | migiel | Guerin: what could be the reason..? |
| 13:15.25 | Carlos_Alex | the Windows machines are using internet normally |
| 13:15.25 | Roxport | What's the difference between hostname and pointopoint? |
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| 13:16.05 | mentor | Carlos_Alex: man resolv.conf |
| 13:16.11 | Carlos_Alex | I know that |
| 13:16.17 | Carlos_Alex | the resolv.conf is ok |
| 13:16.20 | LSorense1 | Roxport: what does hostname and pointtopoint have in common at all? One is the name of the machine, the other is a type of connection |
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| 13:16.24 | berzerka | problem: trying to add network printer to cups using: lpadmin -p hp_lj8000_ps -E -m postscript -v socket://ip_address. i get: lpadmin: add-printer (set model) failed: server-error-internal-error. possible cause? |
| 13:16.25 | Guerin | Carlos_Alex: echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.2\nnameserver 168.126.63.1\n" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:16.29 | mejo | jm_: running what? |
| 13:16.43 | Roxport | oh, i see. |
| 13:16.48 | LSorense1 | berzerka: did you try using the web interface to cups? much simpler |
| 13:16.52 | Guerin | Carlos_Alex: what does 'host' say when you try to look up a name? |
| 13:16.54 | Roxport | thank-you |
| 13:17.17 | berzerka | LSorensel: yes, unsuccessfully. but i will try it again.. |
| 13:17.41 | Carlos_Alex | check the name and try agina Guerin |
| 13:18.00 | Guerin | Carlos_Alex: ? |
| 13:18.02 | LSorense1 | berzerka: generally connect to http://localhost:631/admin then login as root, and select add printer. If you have the ppd files packge installed and foomatic then it has a long list of printer models you can add easily. |
| 13:18.14 | LSorense1 | berzerka: and when using socket, I find you generally have to do socket://ip:9100 |
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| 13:18.19 | Carlos_Alex | my resolv.conf is as you asked |
| 13:18.25 | Carlos_Alex | nameserver 4.2.2.2 |
| 13:18.25 | Carlos_Alex | nameserver 168.126.63.1 |
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| 13:18.41 | neutrin0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.45 | Rawplayer | when you hook up a parralel device to a port should you see it imediatly? |
| 13:18.47 | Guerin | Carlos_Alex: and what precisely does host say? |
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| 13:18.48 | xiao | mejo, 0.79-2 has fix the bug. and can be got from incoming.debian.org |
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| 13:19.00 | berzerka | LSorensel: what is meant by "location" in the web interface. the ip? or a string like: on my desk... not very self-explanatory.. |
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| 13:19.03 | Carlos_Alex | Guerin, when ? |
| 13:19.19 | Guerin | Carlos_Alex: when you try to look up debian..org |
| 13:19.23 | Guerin | s/.././ |
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| 13:19.56 | Carlos_Alex | I get to know which is the IP of DNS server of this domain |
| 13:20.32 | Guerin | Carlos_Alex: paste the output of 'host debian.org' to... |
| 13:20.34 | Guerin | !paster |
| 13:20.34 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 13:20.38 | Guerin | ^ |
| 13:20.49 | Carlos_Alex | debian.org has address 192.25.206.10 |
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| 13:21.16 | Hagarke | Hi all ... Has anybody ever seen Apple's "Remote Desktop" in action ? They can install apps remote, based upon LDAP. I would like to do something similar in Debian. |
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| 13:21.23 | Guerin | Carlos_Alex: ok. your nameservers are working. restart whatever apps are having trouble. |
| 13:21.36 | resiak | Hagarke: Erm, we can install apps remotely, using SSH. |
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| 13:22.15 | Guerin | Hagarke: or if you want the full gui-tastic experience, xdmcp or vnc or something like |
| 13:22.36 | asg | Guerin: xterm -e ssh sudo apt-get install foo? |
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| 13:22.53 | Carlos_Alex | Im having problems in mozilla, xchat, gaim, kmail |
| 13:22.58 | Guerin | asg: yeah, I know, but he wants stuff that's mactardly. |
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| 13:23.04 | Carlos_Alex | all that needs url to access |
| 13:23.10 | Guerin | Carlos_Alex: restart your desktop environment |
| 13:23.13 | asg | Guerin: gnome-terminal with the aqua skin thingY? |
| 13:23.18 | Guerin | asg: heh. |
| 13:23.31 | Carlos_Alex | Ok Guerin |
| 13:23.31 | Hagarke | resiak: When you log in with ssh and do the install like that ? That's not how RD works from Apple. You are on your server, assign an app to an LDAP user, and the app is installed the next time the user logs in |
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| 13:23.50 | Hagarke | What is xdmcp ? VNC does not do what RDesktop does |
| 13:23.54 | Guerin | Hagarke: ssh is better. |
| 13:23.55 | resiak | Hagarke: I'm afraid that I don't see the point... |
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| 13:24.36 | Guerin | Hagarke: on a debian machine, X is superfluous for system administration, and introduces huge amounts of complication: ldap, for a start. |
| 13:24.50 | abrotman | X requires ldap ? |
| 13:24.55 | Hagarke | Well, in LDAP you can define groups of users (like secretaries, management,...) You can then say something like "Install AppX for all secretaries". Next login, it is installed on their system |
| 13:24.57 | Guerin | Hagarke: i don't actually know what this crappleware you're talking about does, but... |
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| 13:25.23 | resiak | Hagarke: Sounds vaguely useful. Go write it? |
| 13:25.28 | Guerin | Hagarke: um, debian doesn't have per-user or per-group application separation. |
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| 13:25.45 | abrotman | Hagarke: you're talking about defining the debian menu system based on thier ldap group |
| 13:25.47 | abrotman | right? |
| 13:25.51 | Guerin | Hagarke: anyone can run a given program; it just won't do anything if they don't have the requisite privileges. |
| 13:26.10 | jm_ | mejo: running unicode_start |
| 13:26.25 | resiak | Guerin, abrotman: I think he means that it installs it on their computers, which might be vaguely useful. |
| 13:26.33 | Guerin | oh |
| 13:26.34 | Hagarke | resiak: If you have seen in on an Apple server, you will no longer consider it "vaguely useful", it was extremely useful in an small business. They installed all software in a snap. |
| 13:26.39 | Guerin | from server -> desktop |
| 13:26.47 | resiak | Hagarke: Right, so write it! |
| 13:26.54 | antgel | Hagarke: clusterssh |
| 13:26.55 | abrotman | apple is vaguely useful ... and only vaguely |
| 13:27.17 | Hagarke | resiak: Well, I'm looking for a way to do it, but I would like to talk about it first |
| 13:27.25 | Hagarke | abrotman: that comes with it automatically |
| 13:27.45 | resiak | Hagarke: for i in machine1 machine2 machine 3; do ssh i apt-get install foo; done |
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| 13:27.58 | Guerin | resiak: -y |
| 13:28.01 | migiel | which module should be compiled in the kernel to be able to use /dev/sd* ? |
| 13:28.08 | antgel | abrotman: not even vaguely. i installed os x for a customer last week. the keyboard-based eject button didn't work, so i couldn't install anything else. opened box, plugged in a normal cd-rom with the disk in via a paperclip, and the button worked with the updated os. what a mare |
| 13:28.14 | antgel | abrotman: chicken tikka roll? |
| 13:28.18 | jm_ | migiel: why don't you check what /dev/sd* is? |
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| 13:28.23 | abrotman | antgel: lettuce? |
| 13:28.29 | Hagarke | guerin: not if it is hidden |
| 13:28.30 | migiel | jm_: how do you mean? |
| 13:28.31 | resiak | Guerin: Yeah, and root ssh and stuff ... but he can work out the details. |
| 13:28.39 | Hagarke | resiak: not based on machine, based upon user |
| 13:28.39 | jm_ | migiel: read devices.txt |
| 13:28.46 | antgel | abrotman: a little. yoghurt sauce. best value lunch in london |
| 13:28.49 | migiel | jm_: i know it's a scsi device.. |
| 13:28.49 | Guerin | Hagarke: eh? |
| 13:28.58 | jm_ | migiel: which SCSI device is it? |
| 13:29.01 | resiak | Hagarke: I'm sorry, I don't get what you're on about. Per-user software? |
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| 13:29.31 | migiel | jm_: im trying to create a RAID array in it... with mdadm, and it worked 30 minutes ago, but after i compiled my kernel, it suddently doesnt work anymore |
| 13:29.36 | Hagarke | resiak: yes, you install the base system (like kde without anything). Then the apps are installed based upon your LDAP login |
| 13:29.37 | Guerin | Hagarke: you need to explain your setup rather more clearly. Do you have one central app server and a bunch of terminals, or what? |
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| 13:29.50 | nomed | it seems the kernel headers i generated have some bugs .. or this is normal? trying to make a module using headers i receive an error because it can't find scripts dir in headers path? |
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| 13:30.01 | jm_ | migiel: ok, so read devices.txt to learn which SCSI device type it's used for |
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| 13:30.10 | Hagarke | guerin: one central server, yes, fat clients |
| 13:30.23 | migiel | jm_ ok |
| 13:30.35 | Guerin | Hagarke: oh. So you ARE only talking about menu items, then, since all the apps are installed on the main server. |
| 13:30.36 | resiak | Hagarke: So on any given machine, you have a different set of apps for each group of user that uses it? |
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| 13:30.42 | theD3viL | Why only in xmms i do not have iso-8895-2 encoding? |
| 13:30.50 | nomed | is there any way to include that dir while running make-kpkg ? |
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| 13:31.03 | Hagarke | guerin: No, when somebody logs in, and the app is not available, it is installed locally |
| 13:31.14 | Guerin | automatically. |
| 13:31.19 | Hagarke | resiak: yes, that's a better description |
| 13:31.20 | Guerin | I see. |
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| 13:31.41 | migiel | jm_: i meant md* :p |
| 13:31.58 | antgel | can we take the spanking and gagging to #debian-kinky? |
| 13:32.00 | Guerin | something which analyses dpkg -l or dpkg --get-selections on login could trivially do this. |
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| 13:32.08 | Hagarke | guerin: yes. And when the app is installed, but the user has no access to it, it is not accesible via the menu and not via shell |
| 13:32.11 | inc|freaky | does any1 have a link to documentation how to install the nvidia driver the debian way i found one using google but that isnt the one i was looking for with m-i m-a (or other way arround) etc. |
| 13:32.24 | resiak | Hagarke: for i in secretaries fucktards; do for j in `get_usernames_from_group $i'; do munge_menu --add appfu --user $j; done; done |
| 13:32.39 | resiak | !tell inc|freaky -about nvidia one-liner |
| 13:32.39 | Guerin | Hagarke: not accessible by the shell is goung to be tough in debian. Obscurity is not really catered for. |
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| 13:32.44 | abrotman | Guerin: as i said .. he wants to generate the "menu" based on ldap groups |
| 13:33.01 | inc|freaky | thank you :) |
| 13:33.28 | Guerin | Hagarke: you could do something with symlinks and path, but that would be teh stupidness. |
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| 13:33.29 | Hagarke | abrotman: NO. |
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| 13:34.17 | resiak | Guerin: And chrooted logins? |
| 13:34.24 | Guerin | resiak: aargh. |
| 13:34.24 | meff | how do i turn off the console bell? everytime i try to bkspace when i cant or whatever it beeps |
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| 13:34.29 | Guerin | !bell |
| 13:34.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. |
| 13:34.31 | Hagarke | Guerin: well, i was thinking about using unionfs for it. With unionfs you can mount certain directories somewhere else. |
| 13:34.42 | Guerin | Hagarke: hell to administer. |
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| 13:34.50 | Hagarke | Slax uses it too with "modules" |
| 13:34.55 | Hagarke | guerin: I know |
| 13:34.56 | neutrin0 | anyone know how to fix a fatal xserver io error 104 |
| 13:34.59 | Guerin | Hagarke: what does denying certain users access to certain apps gain you? |
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| 13:35.01 | Lumination | hey is there a way to kill a ghost nick on freenode? |
| 13:35.09 | asg | Lumination: /msg nickserv help |
| 13:35.12 | Hagarke | Less headaches |
| 13:35.13 | Lumination | thx |
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| 13:35.26 | antgel | Hagarke: what sort of people work there that they need such control (hint: www.politicalcompass.org) |
| 13:35.49 | Guerin | Hagarke: right ... using an unsupported, barely tested filesystem setup is less headaches than just giving people a menu with few entries in it. |
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| 13:36.11 | Hagarke | guerin: some users simply do not have access to some apps, plus installing on each system could be hell, especially removing apps (or upgrading) |
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| 13:36.23 | antgel | Hagarke: CLUSTERSSH |
| 13:36.46 | Hagarke | antgel: what does that do for my problem ? |
| 13:37.02 | Guerin | Hagarke: There's nothing at all complicated about installation, uninstallation or upgrade in debian - until you start to be tricksy with filesystems. |
| 13:37.07 | antgel | Hagarke: it makes it easy to manage multiple machines |
| 13:37.25 | Guerin | antgel: i think you may have missed the important part of this conversation |
| 13:37.45 | antgel | Guerin: yeah. i'm just sticking my oar in |
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| 13:38.02 | Guerin | antgel: cooks/broth |
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| 13:38.12 | Hagarke | guerin: no, it's not complicated, but time consuming and painful to keep up with all the installs |
| 13:38.23 | asg | Guerin: chef(6) |
| 13:38.30 | jm_ | migiel: found it? |
| 13:38.34 | antgel | Guerin: it's ok, i'm pretty sure he's got the sense to take no notice of me |
| 13:38.42 | Hagarke | guerin: that was exactly what Apple RD was so great about .... The ease of use. |
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| 13:39.00 | migiel | jm_: it's /dev/md*... i just typed it wrongly here.. |
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| 13:39.14 | jm_ | migiel: no, I meant kernel config entry for it |
| 13:39.33 | Guerin | Hagarke: OK. here's what I'm talking about. Install an app the first time a user needs it. Leave it installed, but it won't appear on the menus of those who aren't supposed to use it. They can still access it via a shell (no way to prevent that short of uninstalling or using ACLs), but chances are they won't know it's there. |
| 13:39.47 | migiel | jm_: no not yet.. |
| 13:39.59 | Guerin | Hagarke: why is it so vital that you have ONLY the apps accessible to a user that they NEED? |
| 13:40.02 | jm_ | migiel: ok, do you at least know what md is? it will be obvious once you know this |
| 13:40.27 | migiel | i have enabled: CONFIG_MD enabled in my kernel |
| 13:40.29 | Guerin | Hagarke: without appropriate permissions (firewall, read/write access, etc) they won't be able to do anything harmful, so ... |
| 13:40.29 | Hagarke | guerin: I could go for that 99% solution. The reason: company policy |
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| 13:40.42 | Guerin | Hagarke: oh. So out of your control. |
| 13:40.46 | migiel | jm_: yes i do, it's a device that doesnt access a real device, sort of dummy |
| 13:40.47 | Guerin | great |
| 13:40.55 | Hagarke | guerin: indeed .... |
| 13:41.12 | jm_ | migiel: yes, but you need to know more details, read devices.txt - it takes 20s to find it in there |
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| 13:41.27 | tarzeau | what version is mozilla, mozilla-firefox, mozilla-thunderbird in sarge really? |
| 13:41.44 | asg | Guerin: he could use acls and cfengine2 perhaps to ease management |
| 13:41.44 | Guerin | Hagarke: the alternative is to set up a minimal package of apps which all users have, and install those - then install extra apps per-group on login, and uninstall them on logout. But that is UGLY as hell, and time/resource intensive. |
| 13:41.46 | fireba11 | Guerin: sounds like classical oomc problem .. out of my control :-) |
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| 13:41.55 | Guerin | yeah, acls look like the other 1% here |
| 13:41.57 | antgel | tarzeau: firefox security update is 1.0.6. check the dsa archives for the others |
| 13:41.59 | Hagarke | guerin: plus: When a new machine is added in the network, all software should be installed automatically when the user logs in. This will take a lot of time, but it can be done in the lab before the user gets the machine |
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| 13:42.12 | neutrin0 | ok mission critical |
| 13:42.16 | migiel | jm_: metadisk devices: the metadisk driver is used to span a filesystem acreoss multiple physical disks. <-- exactly what i want |
| 13:42.16 | Hagarke | guerin: too time consuming |
| 13:42.19 | neutrin0 | xserver err 104 |
| 13:42.20 | Guerin | Hagarke: right. |
| 13:42.28 | neutrin0 | how do I fix this |
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| 13:42.29 | D-N-A | debian 3.1_r0a " this the last relaese for debian or what ?? |
| 13:42.30 | migiel | across* |
| 13:42.35 | Guerin | Hagarke: acls, then, for great PHB happiness. |
| 13:42.39 | antgel | D-N-A: hope not |
| 13:42.40 | tarzeau | D-N-A: no |
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| 13:42.46 | tarzeau | D-N-A: but it's the latest stable release |
| 13:42.50 | antgel | D-N-A: oops, you mean latest. sorry :) |
| 13:42.50 | Guerin | neutrin0: one line per problem |
| 13:42.54 | Hagarke | guerin: btw, it's not only based upon the user, but also on the machine. |
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| 13:42.56 | Guerin | neutrin0: /msg dpkg ask |
| 13:43.01 | D-N-A | yea |
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| 13:43.19 | Guerin | Hagarke: double the fun. The best thing about all this is that it's 100% automatable. |
| 13:43.19 | Hagarke | eg. when the machine has a scanner, sane must be installed, otherwise not ... |
| 13:43.21 | jm_ | migiel: it's even more specific than that - the word in () |
| 13:43.31 | migiel | jm_: yes RAID ;) |
| 13:43.40 | D-N-A | so , i can download and burn this release ? |
| 13:43.42 | jm_ | migiel: there you go, enable that in kernel config |
| 13:43.44 | Hagarke | guerin: in LDAP you can define machines, that's why I was thinking that way |
| 13:43.45 | migiel | jm_: u know, i have this (software) RAID controlled |
| 13:43.45 | fireba11 | antgel: why that ? |
| 13:43.49 | D-N-A | or use anthor ? |
| 13:43.56 | migiel | jm_: i have enabled RAID support as well... |
| 13:44.15 | jm_ | migiel: which config entry? |
| 13:44.18 | Hagarke | guerin: what does PHB happiness mean ? PHB ? |
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| 13:44.22 | migiel | jm_: and RAID-1 mirroring mode as well (so i can boot from for example: md0) |
| 13:44.24 | tarzeau | antgel: poor chatzilla users will be not happy |
| 13:44.25 | antgel | fireba11: security team don't have resources to support it "properly" |
| 13:44.32 | Guerin | !phb |
| 13:44.32 | dpkg | hmm... phb is pointy-haired boss (from dilbert) |
| 13:44.43 | Hagarke | ic |
| 13:44.46 | fireba11 | antgel: a shame ... firefox is my favourite browser |
| 13:44.55 | migiel | jm_: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD=y |
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| 13:44.57 | antgel | tarzeau: i like ff and tb, i like mozilla, my heart says it should stay, but my head says it should go |
| 13:45.01 | neutrin0 | Guerin my problems got merged |
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| 13:45.07 | Guerin | Hagarke: whichever clueless fool decreed the 'only apps you're allowed to run may be installed' edict |
| 13:45.08 | jm_ | migiel: ok that gives you /dev/md* devices |
| 13:45.09 | Hagarke | ACL's would help me, but can they be set based upon ldap on a remote machine ? |
| 13:45.14 | tarzeau | antgel: i don't like any of those |
| 13:45.20 | meff | anyone know if there is support for the ITE IDE chipset in the sid snapshot amd64 installer? |
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| 13:45.32 | migiel | jm_: yes but when i do: cat /dev/md0 it says: nu such device or address... |
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| 13:45.38 | migiel | nu=no |
| 13:45.38 | asg | meff: #debian-amd64 might know |
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| 13:45.46 | Hagarke | guerin: they can be installed as much as we like, but not accessible to unauthorised people |
| 13:45.47 | meff | asg: thx |
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| 13:46.21 | Hagarke | i could live with "install everything and hide what you shouldn't have", but based upon ldap so that it is changeable from server side |
| 13:46.29 | Guerin | Hagarke: i'm not sure about how you'd do acls in this case, but it should be doable |
| 13:46.42 | Guerin | Hagarke: that'd be easy. |
| 13:46.46 | jm_ | migiel: you need to configure it, that's explained in software raid howto |
| 13:47.03 | Hagarke | with ACLs it's easy: everybody denied, then per group or per user rights ... |
| 13:47.05 | neutrin0 | thanks for the help debianers |
| 13:47.05 | Guerin | Hagarke: everything would still be accessible from sshell, but I'm getting the feeling people aren't going to be working in shell a whole lot? |
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| 13:47.10 | antgel | migiel: why are you cat'ing /dev/md0? |
| 13:47.13 | neutrin0 | back later |
| 13:47.13 | neutrin0 | : |
| 13:47.13 | neutrin0 | ) |
| 13:47.15 | antgel | !tell migiel about unix lessons |
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| 13:47.21 | Guerin | Hagarke: yeah, I'm just not sure about the ldap/acl bit |
| 13:47.26 | migiel | lol please :) |
| 13:47.27 | Hagarke | guerin: no, they are not computer savvy enough for that |
| 13:47.43 | shingouz | lets see now.. when i logon to gmail or any other web based thing i can set up passwords and change them from my computers, when i make any of the email clients check the mail with pop3, i always get a barf about a wrong password. the same seems to be happening with my local ftp server; the person who is trying to connect has XP and has an account on my ftp-box as a normal user. none of the passes that we have tried works from the xp, all |
| 13:47.43 | shingouz | m work from linux. wtf is going on? hints appreciated on where to start the debugging |
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| 13:47.53 | migiel | jm_: i know, it worked before as i told you, it must be a kernel problem, but thanks anyway |
| 13:47.56 | Hagarke | guerin: actually, they should not have access to the shell at all |
| 13:48.15 | Guerin | Hagarke: that's doable. Just put all the terminal emulators in /sbin :) |
| 13:48.28 | jm_ | migiel: don't think so - it's a configuration problem as long as you're sure your kernel supports this (easy to check with 2.6 and if you enabled the option to export its config via /proc/config.gz) |
| 13:48.29 | Hagarke | yes, that's an idea |
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| 13:48.42 | Guerin | Hagarke: kde and most others have poxy alt-f2 for run-line nastiness |
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| 13:49.06 | Hagarke | guerin: too much hidden for normal users .... |
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| 13:49.43 | Hagarke | guerin: could the kiosktool from kde be of any help ? |
| 13:49.56 | Guerin | Hagarke: never seen it. |
| 13:50.33 | Hagarke | Is ldap accesible from shell script or perl script ? |
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| 13:50.50 | Guerin | everything is |
| 13:51.01 | Guerin | shell and perl can do anything on a debian box. |
| 13:51.07 | By-Tor | I'm sure there is an LDAP module in CPAN. |
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| 13:51.31 | caphuso | several |
| 13:51.32 | Guerin | of course, one would need permissions and passwords and all to do anything... |
| 13:51.37 | sewi | hello, why emacs info files are not seen after "C-h i" in emacs, whereas these info files are installed? |
| 13:52.07 | By-Tor | Emacs? What is this Emacs? I know only VIM |
| 13:52.29 | Hagarke | guerin: it could be a script in sbin that runs on startup |
| 13:52.39 | shingouz | By-Tor: it is evil..... :p |
| 13:52.54 | By-Tor | Emacs or VIM? |
| 13:53.03 | Guerin | Hagarke: yup. |
| 13:53.03 | shingouz | emacs of course |
| 13:53.48 | By-Tor | Given EMACS and death, I'd probably take the latter. |
| 13:54.02 | Hagarke | guerin: that was one of the reasons i was thinking about unionfs. Install all apps under /var/apps (700 permissions). Then, based upon the login, mount every app in their normal locations |
| 13:54.03 | sewi | By-Tor, I don't want to start a flamewar, it is a polite question for emacs users:) |
| 13:54.09 | Guerin | ah, the vidiots are trolling again |
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| 13:54.34 | Guerin | Hagarke: i bet it would introduce more bugs than it was worth |
| 13:54.36 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 13:54.43 | By-Tor | I'll shutup now ;) |
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| 13:54.57 | shingouz | i'll take off my trollsuit too |
| 13:55.12 | Hagarke | guerin: well, that opinion is one of the reasons for this chat ... first hear what other people have to say about it |
| 13:55.23 | Guerin | Hagarke: yeah. |
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| 13:56.01 | By-Tor | Indeed. I appologize. |
| 13:56.49 | Hagarke | It think it's very easy to install software with apt-get in a script (a script on a nfs server that runs once an hour and at startup, eg.) |
| 13:57.17 | fireba11 | still .. don't sound like something i would do |
| 13:57.24 | Hagarke | but then comes the user ... when new software is installed for him/her, it must be accessible, otherwise it remains hidden. |
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| 13:59.12 | Hagarke | Oh, an extra tricky thing. Some software should never be installed locally, but run from nfs. To prevent that special tools are installed on every machine |
| 13:59.22 | Guerin | Hagarke: update-menus |
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| 13:59.58 | Guerin | Hagarke: or just have a stock set of menus - secretary-menus, phb-menus, forex, in the user's homedir |
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| 14:01.17 | Knight_Lord | If i install x.org in sid will i crash and burn at the moment? |
| 14:01.21 | Hagarke | Well, I think that the menu must be kept in the homedir for each user. The basic menu is always the minimal menu, then, everything is added to the menu based upon the user. |
| 14:01.33 | stew | Knight_Lord: check the bts... |
| 14:01.43 | Knight_Lord | stew bts? |
| 14:01.45 | Hagarke | Is it possible to generate a menu based upon a new ldap login ? |
| 14:01.50 | stew | Knight_Lord: yeah |
| 14:01.57 | Knight_Lord | stew what's a bts? |
| 14:01.59 | Guerin | Hagarke: it's possible to do it based on category, sure. |
| 14:02.03 | stew | Knight_Lord: you should reinstall stable |
| 14:02.13 | Gnea | !tell Knight_Lord about bts |
| 14:02.14 | Hagarke | guerin: automated ? |
| 14:02.15 | antgel | !btssmite Knight_Lord |
| 14:02.16 | Guerin | Hagarke: it'd just be a matter of copying a stock set of files into the right place. |
| 14:02.38 | Knight_Lord | ok thanks |
| 14:02.41 | error403 | Holy crap! Why did i spend 2 days strugling with exim4 configs when postfix it 20 times better? |
| 14:02.43 | Hagarke | I would not use a stock set of file .... I'd rather have a script that adds it |
| 14:02.46 | Guerin | Hagarke: on cron, on login, wherever. It'd only ever need to be done once per user, since it'd live in the users' homedirs, which should be centrally located |
| 14:02.58 | Guerin | Hagarke: why, if all people in each group have the same set? |
| 14:03.11 | antgel | error403: cause exim is default in debian |
| 14:03.16 | Hagarke | because it could be based upon the user too. |
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| 14:03.29 | error403 | antgel, oh yeah, thats the one... why isnt postfix? |
| 14:03.30 | TML | GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | /msg dpkg sarge firefox | X.org in sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 14:03.35 | TML | oops |
| 14:03.37 | Hagarke | eg. one secretary has access to an app where other secretaries don't have access too |
| 14:03.38 | *** topic/#debian by TML -> GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | /msg dpkg sarge firefox | X.org in sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main |
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| 14:03.52 | Guerin | TML: call ops on yourself for flooding, svp |
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| 14:04.03 | TML | Missed the key part of THAT command, didn't I? |
| 14:04.07 | Hagarke | guerin: btw, the script could also be used to "uninstall" an app |
| 14:04.12 | antgel | error403: don't know. suspect there are arguments on d-d archives. i've always used exim for purely that reason |
| 14:04.41 | Guerin | Hagarke: what the script could do is limited only by your ingenuity and the inherent limitations of sane filesystem choices. |
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| 14:04.57 | Hagarke | guerin: would you put your homedirs on a nfs share ? |
| 14:05.00 | error403 | antgel, what, because it is default? well, i tried, got it working, installed postfix instead, got it working in like 2 mins (instead of 2 days) |
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| 14:05.31 | antgel | error403: thing is that i can now do what i want with it, so don't have motivation to change |
| 14:05.37 | Guerin | Hagarke: yeah. |
| 14:05.54 | Hagarke | guerin: what with portables on the road ? |
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| 14:06.18 | Guerin | Hagarke: easily synced using rsync each login/out |
| 14:06.22 | error403 | antgel, true, i guess... |
| 14:06.30 | Guerin | Hagarke: and fast, since rsync can do incremental |
| 14:06.34 | error403 | antgel, you have imap or pop3 running? |
| 14:06.40 | antgel | error403: both |
| 14:06.49 | Hagarke | guerin: ok, rsync is ok. Why not do that for each user upon login/logout ? |
| 14:06.58 | error403 | antgel, what you use for that? dovecot? |
| 14:07.06 | antgel | error403: courier |
| 14:07.08 | Hagarke | guerin; That is what Windows does (sort of) |
| 14:07.10 | Guerin | Hagarke: why do it? NFS works fine. |
| 14:07.24 | Hagarke | guerin: reduce network traffic |
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| 14:07.45 | abrotman | what else will oyu use the network for? |
| 14:07.49 | Guerin | Hagarke: increase login/logout times |
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| 14:08.20 | abrotman | and destroy the entire reason of having a centralized managemnet/storage for users :) |
| 14:08.28 | error403 | antgel, is courier easy to configure? |
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| 14:08.31 | Hagarke | guerin: that is maximum twice a day normally. And it's rsync, so it's fast |
| 14:08.41 | error403 | antgel, how easy is it to create a webmail server? |
| 14:08.58 | antgel | error403: i thought so. my requirements are minimal. i don't get involved with any of that fancy schmantzy ldap / sql stuff |
| 14:08.59 | abrotman | depends on your abilities |
| 14:09.02 | Guerin | error403: 1 install mta 2 install web server 3 install webmail package 4 beer |
| 14:09.02 | Hagarke | abrotman: see my remark on portables .... |
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| 14:09.16 | error403 | Guerin, that easy? |
| 14:09.23 | abrotman | Hagarke: i'd rather not lastlog your entire inane discussion that you've wasted Guerin's time with |
| 14:09.30 | antgel | error403: easier. step 4 is optional |
| 14:09.37 | Guerin | error403: if you don't need much, sure. |
| 14:09.51 | error403 | well, i need people to be able to sign up... |
| 14:09.53 | Guerin | antgel: optional? what sort of sysadmin are you? |
| 14:10.09 | Guerin | error403: then you need to go much more complicated than that. |
| 14:10.09 | antgel | Guerin: a sober one ;) |
| 14:10.10 | nzxt | How do I find out what resolution i'm currently running at in xorg? |
| 14:10.18 | abrotman | xdpyinfo |
| 14:10.18 | Guerin | nzxt: xrandr |
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| 14:10.41 | antgel | Guerin: i have problems with alcohol, it seems to raise my latent depression, probably brought on due to years of weed smoking |
| 14:10.54 | Hagarke | abrotman: since guerin answered everything, it must not have been so insane ... it was far better than your comments, at least |
| 14:10.55 | darkness | Hi, can anyone help.I've messed up my dual boot and can't access linux.I've tried to load a bootable deb disk and make bootable but it doesn't like it.Plus it doesn't like making a bootable floppy? |
| 14:10.56 | error403 | Guerin, i am guessing when you get into webmail services, if people can sign up, its no longer a case of system user = mail user, right? |
| 14:10.57 | nzxt | I get a error saying can't connect to server on :0.0 |
| 14:11.15 | abrotman | don't run it as root |
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| 14:11.25 | antgel | darkness: told you earlier. boot from a live cd. chroot. install boot-loader |
| 14:11.26 | abrotman | Hagarke: maybe you should ask him if it was inane |
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| 14:11.46 | abrotman | Hagarke: afaict .. everything he suggested .. you've told him wouldn't work .. so i'm not sure why you're asking his advice |
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| 14:11.59 | nzxt | k, now how do I change the resolution? heh |
| 14:12.01 | wossname | kdeprintd isn't running |
| 14:12.01 | Guerin | abrotman: that's not true recently |
| 14:12.05 | Hagarke | he can read the channel, let him answer if he wants |
| 14:12.05 | Guerin | nzxt: xrandr |
| 14:12.19 | darkness | Okay antgel.Will give it a go. |
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| 14:12.21 | wossname | how do i get it working, or some other way of printing to cups |
| 14:12.22 | Guerin | nzxt: or /msg dpkg drxx |
| 14:12.31 | antgel | darkness: you'll love it |
| 14:12.46 | ircdevil | sup suckers :o) ? |
| 14:12.55 | error403 | Guerin, i am guessing when you get into webmail services, if people can sign up, its no longer a case of system user = mail user, right? |
| 14:13.00 | abrotman | Guerin: last thing i saw was you suggesting NFS .. and he said rsync is better |
| 14:13.00 | Hagarke | abrotman: I don't say it won't work. I just put some points under consideration |
| 14:13.04 | Guerin | error403: right. |
| 14:13.18 | nzxt | do I have to stop x to reconfig it? or will it just update with whatever settings? |
| 14:13.23 | error403 | Would it be stupid of me to ask POP3 vs. IMAP ? |
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| 14:13.29 | Guerin | nzxt: you'll need to restart. |
| 14:13.31 | abrotman | nzxt: no .. but you do have to restart it after doing so |
| 14:13.32 | Hagarke | abrotman: read the complete thread or shut up. You can't use NFS on portables |
| 14:13.36 | nzxt | k, thanks |
| 14:13.43 | Guerin | error403: pop3 would be better than imap, because imap mail is permanently stored on the server. |
| 14:13.43 | abrotman | Hagarke: and rsync will work? |
| 14:13.55 | error403 | Guerin, fair enough |
| 14:13.59 | Hagarke | abrotman: when they connect again, it is synced |
| 14:14.10 | Guerin | !tell error403 about postfix tutorial |
| 14:14.24 | Hagarke | abrotman; that's the same way Windows works, but with other technology |
| 14:14.35 | abrotman | Hagarke: connect again ? it's going to sync both ways . and if the laptop dies while away .. they still lose it .. i'm not sure what you're gaining them .. but it's not my idea .. carry on :) |
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| 14:14.42 | Guerin | error403: the fact that you have to ask questions like this suggests to me that you shouldn't be running a publi mail server. |
| 14:14.49 | Hagarke | abrotman: And Windows' roaming profiles are not a bad idea |
| 14:14.51 | Guerin | !tell error403 about postfix howto |
| 14:14.58 | abrotman | Hagarke: this isn't #windows |
| 14:15.14 | wossname | howto bring up kdeprintd |
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| 14:15.49 | Guerin | wossname: #kde |
| 14:15.52 | error403 | Guerin, how am i supposed to learn if i dont ask? i'm finding Googling the stuff is coming up short.... |
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| 14:16.01 | Hagarke | abrotman: are you such a zealot too that you can't admit that some other system does have something that is a good idea ? |
| 14:16.04 | abrotman | Hagarke: one of the problems with roaming profiles(if setup badly) can be that if they are away from the PDC for too long they will no longer be able to login |
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| 14:16.08 | Guerin | error403: you've got yer howto |
| 14:16.11 | error403 | Guerin, people arent born with an innate knowledge of setting up mail servers? |
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| 14:16.24 | error403 | thanks Guerin ill take a look at that |
| 14:16.24 | abrotman | Hagarke: i didn't say roaming profiles were bad .. |
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| 14:16.58 | Hagarke | abrotman: you reminded me that this was not #windows, so you were giving indirect comment on windows |
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| 14:17.00 | abrotman | Hagarke: where did i say roaming profiles were bad? |
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| 14:17.38 | abrotman | right .. i didn't think i did ... |
| 14:17.39 | Guerin | play nice now, kids |
| 14:17.58 | patrootdebian | bonjour |
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| 14:18.08 | abrotman | !fr |
| 14:18.08 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 14:18.18 | Hagarke | abrotman: when i mentionned it, you were zealotting by referring me that this is not windows |
| 14:18.35 | antgel | please stop arguing about who has the biggest cock |
| 14:18.38 | abrotman | Hagarke: you mentioned roaming profiles .. which is a win32 term |
| 14:18.57 | abrotman | Hagarke: i don't really care .. fuck your users however you want .. don't involve me |
| 14:18.59 | Hagarke | abrotman: SO ? |
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| 14:20.09 | Hagarke | abrotman: you are a very narrow minded person |
| 14:20.24 | abrotman | Hagarke: you are a very stupid person |
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| 14:20.33 | antgel | i repeat, please stop arguing about who has the biggest cock. now. |
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| 14:20.47 | abrotman | *plonk* |
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| 14:21.04 | Ronin | cause i do,my wife says so |
| 14:21.26 | abrotman | Ronin: she's only seen one |
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| 14:21.54 | Ronin | ture but once youve seen the best why bother |
| 14:21.58 | Hagarke | abrotman: at least I react as a grown up |
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| 14:22.03 | abrotman | how would you know it's the best? |
| 14:22.11 | abrotman | with no comparison i mean |
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| 14:23.06 | ZeZwi | hey anyone here have a mobo with onboard video and use a VIA chipset? |
| 14:23.19 | antgel | !tell ZeZwi about anyone |
| 14:23.24 | abrotman | ZeZwi: which CPU ? |
| 14:23.26 | Goofy584 | hello, do someone know how to configure mrtg to show zero.something (O.XX) values? I tried with "withzereos" but no changes |
| 14:23.56 | ZeZwi | Athlon |
| 14:24.03 | ZeZwi | XP 3000 |
| 14:24.06 | Goofy584 | i get always 0.0 as output |
| 14:24.17 | Goofy584 | the script gives the right value |
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| 14:24.51 | abrotman | ZeZwi: and why? |
| 14:24.54 | ekix | hi guys. is security.debian.org mirrored around the world? |
| 14:24.59 | ZeZwi | because I cant get into X |
| 14:25.02 | abrotman | ekix: no |
| 14:25.10 | abrotman | ZeZwi: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 14:25.22 | beardy | ekix: There is some mirror I think. |
| 14:25.22 | ekix | abrotman, sad. it's quite slow sometimes |
| 14:25.30 | ekix | beardy, official, where? |
| 14:25.35 | ZeZwi | ok |
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| 14:25.43 | abrotman | ekix: it's not official .. and yes it is slow sometimes .. |
| 14:25.44 | resiak | ekix: They're working on establishing some kind of mirror network. |
| 14:26.01 | beardy | ekix: Can't remember, think I've seen someone mentioning that here, some time ago.. |
| 14:26.01 | ekix | thanks guys. that'll be enough for now :) |
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| 14:26.52 | ZeZwi | abrotman thx |
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| 14:26.59 | DeVeRaS | i did apt-get install phpbb2 but it didn't go to /var/www/ but to /usr/share ... so it's outside the webserver. How can i install it to the correct path or where do i change the webserver to make that folder also browseble? |
| 14:27.17 | darkwader | oh.. hey! |
| 14:27.32 | antgel | DeVeRaS: have you read the manual? |
| 14:27.41 | DeVeRaS | antgel of witch one? |
| 14:27.47 | apt-get | don't use phpbb |
| 14:27.54 | antgel | DeVeRaS: of the package that you just installed? |
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| 14:28.01 | ZeZwi | see I know which chipset I have etc and there are drivers but its way beyond me I was just hoping someone who had the same chipset could just push me in the right direction on basic settings for xorg |
| 14:28.03 | DeVeRaS | apt-get loved too.... but this machine is not for me... |
| 14:28.37 | DeVeRaS | antgel of phpbb ? never used it before, and i don't intend too either. i just need it on the path so my friend can then configure it |
| 14:29.04 | apt-get | why don't you just wget && untar it? |
| 14:29.10 | abrotman | ZeZwi: so .. tell us which chipset |
| 14:29.13 | antgel | DeVeRaS: so what. i suggest you read the documentation if you want it to work. /usr/share/doc |
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| 14:30.04 | ZeZwi | NB: VIA KM400A SB: VT8235CE with intergfx S3 UniChrome |
| 14:30.11 | Anthro | !test |
| 14:30.11 | dpkg | Yes, anthro, you're still online. |
| 14:30.16 | ZeZwi | when I pulled that command it says BT8378 |
| 14:30.22 | Anthro | Yay! dpkg is back! |
| 14:30.27 | ZeZwi | er VT8378* |
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| 14:33.27 | Hagarke | Is there a way to find out for a debian package, what ./configure options were used when the app for the package was compiled ? |
| 14:33.27 | error403 | thanks Guerin, this howto is great! |
| 14:33.33 | darkness | antgel: When i boot into my deb dvd disk i can access only an ash bourne again shell.Chroot isn't in there? |
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| 14:34.04 | Zvpun | Hagarke: apt-get src foobar |
| 14:34.17 | Zvpun | Hagarke: you need deb-src entries in your sources.list though |
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| 14:34.44 | antgel | darkness: for the third time, use a live cd |
| 14:34.53 | DeVeRaS | how do i restart apache2 |
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| 14:35.01 | beardy | darkness: bash is bourne again shell, ash is something else. |
| 14:35.04 | RogueDopple | dear god |
| 14:35.06 | antgel | !tell darkness about livecd |
| 14:35.13 | dimir | DeVeRaS: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 14:35.28 | antgel | DeVeRaS: without being rude, why did your friend ask you to do this? |
| 14:35.39 | stew | Hagarke: apt-get source, then look at debian/rules, or download the .diff.gz from the pdo page and look at debian/rules there |
| 14:35.59 | stew | a debian install cd with no chroot? sounds hard to believe |
| 14:36.04 | DeVeRaS | antgel he want's is forum in this old machine. |
| 14:36.11 | darkness | antgel: So download knoppix onto a floppy? |
| 14:36.30 | DeVeRaS | so i installed it for him, and configurated has far has i know... how placing the phpbb2 thing.... |
| 14:36.31 | beardy | !wayttd darkness |
| 14:36.32 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, darkness? |
| 14:36.38 | Rawplayer | how can i solve this?lpr: cannot open /var/spool/lpd/lp/.seq: Permission denied |
| 14:36.43 | antgel | darkness: maybe onto 700 floppies. it's a _cd_. hence live _CD_. |
| 14:36.55 | Hagarke | zvpun, stew: tnx |
| 14:36.56 | antgel | beardy: he's fucked his bootloader |
| 14:37.10 | antgel | Rawplayer: you can get permission |
| 14:38.20 | beardy | darkness: Do as they have already told you. Download a livecd if you haven't got one. Burn it onto a cd. Boot with it, and restore your bootloader. |
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| 14:39.07 | beardy | darkness: Examples of livecds are knoppix, systemrescuecd, and others. |
| 14:39.08 | stew | darkness: an install cd should work as well |
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| 14:39.29 | antgel | stew: true, but an install cd makes this a lot unfriendlier (at least time last time i looked) |
| 14:39.43 | pack | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.52 | stew | alt-f2, mount, chroot,... |
| 14:39.57 | stew | darkness: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 14:40.17 | Anthro | pack: Yes. mdadm is backward-compatible. |
| 14:40.20 | antgel | stew: *nod* |
| 14:41.04 | Anthro | pack: You will have to convert your /etc/raidtab to an /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf file, however. |
| 14:42.01 | pack | Anthro: do you know of any howtos? |
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| 14:42.58 | fugit | I'm trying to get a linux client to register with W2k3 AD dynamic DNS. I have tried hostname in inteface file and send host-name or send fqdn in dhclient.conf |
| 14:43.19 | Anthro | pack: It's really simple. All you need in your /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf is a DEVICES line and an ARRAY line for each md array. Read the mdadm.conf man page for an explanation. |
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| 14:43.50 | antgel | fugit: sounds like some kind of windows server auth problem? |
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| 14:44.23 | Anthro | pack: I use scsidev to give my RAID'd devices simple names. Therefore, my mdadm.conf looks like this: |
| 14:44.24 | Anthro | DEVICE /dev/scsi/rack[01234567] |
| 14:44.24 | Anthro | ARRAY /dev/md0 devices=/dev/scsi/rack0,/dev/scsi/rack1,/dev/scsi/rack2,/dev/scsi |
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| 14:44.55 | Anthro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.59 | fugit | antgel: the macs seems to be registering with out a problem, encoding is off on the w2k3 box for dhcp |
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| 14:45.33 | pack | Anthro: thanks. |
| 14:45.40 | Anthro | pack: np |
| 14:45.40 | antgel | fugit: can this linux box auth with a linux dns server? |
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| 14:46.15 | antgel | fugit: auth => register |
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| 14:47.39 | fugit | antgel: I would have to setup a test environment, don't have any linux boxes servering up DHCP |
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| 14:49.07 | antgel | fugit: do you have send fqdn.encoded on; and send fqdn.server-update on; ? |
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| 14:49.50 | fugit | I have the encoded off and the update on, but I have tried several different combos |
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| 14:50.25 | antgel | fugit: that works for me with a bind server. sorry i can't help. if you have time, set up a test enviro |
| 14:50.40 | fugit | antgel: I just found that the w2k3 server actually is getting the hsotname in the lease |
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| 14:50.56 | antgel | fugit: also, check the log in the wincock event viewer |
| 14:51.04 | fugit | antgel: thanks for trying it might be on the windows side. |
| 14:51.07 | RichiH_ | what's that fast, small, X browser called, again? |
| 14:51.16 | fugit | antgel: thanks working with the windows admin right now. |
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| 14:51.29 | antgel | when i say check the log, i don't mean use good commands like tail and grep, i mean click loads of crap |
| 14:51.33 | antgel | RichiH_: dillo? |
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| 14:51.43 | takatumi | RichiH_: links -g? |
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| 14:52.42 | takatumi | links2 rather. |
| 14:52.48 | antgel | fugit: when i mentioned auth, i mean on the windows _dns_ side, not dhcp. perhaps it only accepts updates from proprietary software unless you jump hoops |
| 14:53.01 | RichiH_ | antgel: i think yes |
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| 14:54.17 | RichiH_ | takatumi: neat, i did not know that |
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| 14:56.57 | darkness | antgel: One worry as i'm d/loading knoppix live is the file said 695mb.When i started the dl it says 710mb.Could be a problem as i have 700mb cd disks? |
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| 14:57.34 | antgel | darkness: doubt it. there isn't a reference megabyte sitting in a safe in paris :) |
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| 14:58.33 | antgel | darkness: besides, you can hack the iso by removing kde, which should remove about 500mb :P |
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| 15:01.37 | strahler | hello. Need Help, with SWAt |
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| 15:03.42 | antgel | if i download source for a gpl package but it doesn't build due to missing makefile, is that a gpl violation? code is all present afaik |
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| 15:04.14 | jjazz | antgel: What's the package? |
| 15:04.29 | antgel | jjazz: not in debian. sync4j. |
| 15:04.30 | strahler | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 15:04.33 | ke6isf | What's the latest linux-image-2.4.* in testing or sid? |
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| 15:04.51 | antgel | ke6isf: packages.debian.org |
| 15:04.56 | ke6isf | antgel: sankyu |
| 15:05.02 | dae | hallo |
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| 15:05.08 | ||Jam|| | nas |
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| 15:05.22 | ||Jam|| | alguien está en el irc-hispano? |
| 15:05.22 | ||Jam|| | xD |
| 15:05.23 | dae | is anybody ger so i can speak german |
| 15:05.28 | ke6isf | !es |
| 15:05.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:05.29 | ke6isf | !de |
| 15:05.30 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 15:05.34 | jethro | ke6isf: I don't see any linux-image-2.4, only 2.6 |
| 15:05.38 | strahler | no one here for a little help with SWAT? |
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| 15:05.51 | antgel | hmm, dpkg used to say .de was unfriendly |
| 15:05.58 | dae | i've a problem with udev |
| 15:05.59 | ke6isf | jethro: sid or etch? |
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| 15:06.07 | antgel | strahler: please read the topic |
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| 15:06.16 | strahler | oh. sec |
| 15:06.18 | jethro | ke6isf: sid but I think it'll apply to etch as well |
| 15:06.27 | jethro | ke6isf: there should be kernel-image-2.4 though |
| 15:06.31 | strahler | my faulti'm sorry! |
| 15:06.32 | ke6isf | jethro: Ah, OK. |
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| 15:06.52 | jjazz | antgel: GPL Section 3 defines the source code to include the "scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable" |
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| 15:07.15 | jethro | ke6isf: I guess they only change the name for newly created packages, and didn't do it for older ones |
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| 15:07.19 | antgel | jjazz: interesting. thanks a lot. i'm not great on legal stuff :) |
| 15:07.27 | jjazz | antgel: A polite email to the sync4j people asking them to correct what is probably an honest oversight might be in order. |
| 15:07.35 | dae | i've kernel 2.6.12 and udev doesn't build the devices for my extern hard-disc |
| 15:07.47 | jjazz | antgel: np |
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| 15:08.11 | antgel | jjazz: *nod* i have a good relationship with them and want to keep it that way |
| 15:08.16 | dae | what should i do? |
| 15:08.44 | jjazz | antgel: The vast majority of GPL violations can be solved with polite conversation and without the intervention of lawyers. |
| 15:08.46 | antgel | dae: debug it. check the logs. check the rules. |
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| 15:10.12 | dae | can you explain me how i can do that? i'm new in linux |
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| 15:10.54 | stew | dae: read /usr/share/doc/udev/* there probably are examples in there |
| 15:10.56 | mernil | Greetings and salutations fellow friends of free and open software! |
| 15:11.06 | zerotrace | mernil: hey |
| 15:11.12 | mernil | :) |
| 15:11.18 | dae | thx |
| 15:11.19 | antgel | dae: if you're new, please stick with the released kernel in stable, i.e. 2.6.8. there is a great udev howto at http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php |
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| 15:12.01 | stew | this has nothing to do with the kenrel |
| 15:12.10 | stew | kernel* damn, i keep doing that |
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| 15:12.21 | jimmyxx | hi, i've got debian sarg - stable. What should package should I apt-get to get a gui for setting up printers on my machine? |
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| 15:12.35 | FaithX | how do I get around dependencies like I am trying to install something that requires libqt3c102-mt but libqt3-mt is the latest so the package won't install and other packages need libqt3-mt? |
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| 15:12.52 | thingfish | jimmyxx: do you have gnome or kde installed? |
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| 15:12.54 | antgel | jimmyxx: cups provides a web UI which you can access from a graphical web browser :) |
| 15:13.11 | antgel | FaithX: is this in stable? |
| 15:13.16 | jimmyxx | gnome |
| 15:13.23 | FaithX | antgel, hardly |
| 15:13.25 | jjazz | jimmyxx: localhost:631 is your cups interface, I think. |
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| 15:13.39 | FaithX | antgel, a bit of this, a bit of that... |
| 15:13.42 | thingfish | jimmyxx: you can do as antgel suggested, or you can use gnome-cups-manager. |
| 15:13.49 | root | apt-get: haha! |
| 15:13.49 | jimmyxx | connection refused to localhost:631 |
| 15:14.05 | apt-get | hehe nice |
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| 15:14.15 | apt-get | userdel root |
| 15:14.19 | FaithX | jimmyxx, it only accepts 127.0.0.0 by default |
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| 15:14.42 | jjazz | jimmyxx: Do you have cups installed? |
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| 15:14.46 | FaithX | jimmyxx, you have to go in and edit the file and enter your subnet |
| 15:14.49 | antgel | FaithX: that's your problem then. |
| 15:14.50 | zerotrace | jjazz: are you thirsty? |
| 15:14.55 | jimmyxx | when I run the manager it just says cups server is not ready |
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| 15:14.59 | jjazz | zerotrace: always |
| 15:15.14 | zerotrace | jimmyxx: did you tip him? |
| 15:15.15 | darkness | Is it easy to ftp transfer a file remotly from one linux box to another? |
| 15:15.18 | FaithX | antgel, I didn't ask what my problem was? |
| 15:15.19 | apt-get | rm -f /etc/passwd |
| 15:15.26 | antgel | darkness: use scp |
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| 15:15.30 | FaithX | I know what my problem is. |
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| 15:15.51 | jjazz | darkness: Yes, but most people advise you to use sftp for security reasons. |
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| 15:15.58 | antgel | FaithX: ok. the solution is to not use a bit of this and a bit of that, rather to use things that are designed to work together |
| 15:16.17 | jjazz | darkness: Better yet, use shfsmount, if you're going to be accessing that directory often. |
| 15:16.42 | FaithX | antgel, go try to install mythtv from deb repository then tell the maintainer that not me. |
| 15:16.46 | jimmyxx | when I run "nome-cups-manager" it says service not ready and shuts down, can someone help? |
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| 15:17.13 | FaithX | jimmyxx, then cups is probably not running? |
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| 15:17.24 | antgel | FaithX: you tell him. if it's stable with the one backport, that's _usually_ ok. |
| 15:17.29 | FaithX | jimmyxx, netstat -tanp | grep 631 |
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| 15:18.00 | Spritee | Hello, how would I append the output of "ls" to a text file? |
| 15:18.11 | caphuso | Spritee: ls >> file |
| 15:18.16 | Spritee | Cheers |
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| 15:18.44 | FaithX | antgel, myth tv is not stable... it's not even experimental... |
| 15:18.52 | thingfish | jimmyxx: an easy way to add print support is to do base-config as root, and add Print Server. |
| 15:18.59 | FaithX | I could compile it and open another can of worms |
| 15:19.06 | thingfish | although there may be easier ways. |
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| 15:19.15 | antgel | FaithX: i mean, if your debian box runs stable, and the backport is designed for stable, it's usually ok. |
| 15:19.59 | FaithX | antgel, Yes I hear you loud and clear. I agree. But my TV is broke... |
| 15:20.22 | itIsThat1 | alright, I compiled a kernel, and installed it, how do I set up GRUB |
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| 15:20.53 | antgel | itIsThat1: you compile and install it the debian way and everything is automagic. or you read the grub docs |
| 15:21.10 | stew | itIsThat1: did you use make-kpkg? |
| 15:21.21 | itIsThat1 | no |
| 15:21.41 | stew | itIsThat1: /msg dpkg kp; you should have. man update-grub |
| 15:21.46 | itIsThat1 | should I do that instead of make install? |
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| 15:22.41 | FaithX | antgel, Here I am dying of thirst in the desert. And I meet and you tell me that I wouldn't be in this predicament if I didn't have a hole in my bucket. That's fine... but... there is a whole in my bucket and I need a drink... if I don't get a drink right now I will die and won't be able to fix the hole in my bucket later. |
| 15:23.07 | zerotrace | FaithX: you need CUPS |
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| 15:23.25 | jcuk | whats wider, 400:1 or 600:1 Contrast ratio? |
| 15:23.33 | FaithX | zerotrace, Will that solve my dependancies problem? |
| 15:23.34 | zerotrace | contrast ratio has nothing to do with size |
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| 15:23.41 | jcuk | hmm |
| 15:23.42 | zerotrace | FaithX: no |
| 15:23.44 | antgel | FaithX: that's very poetic. you fucked the bucket up. shit happens. :) |
| 15:23.49 | jcuk | thought it was to do with the scale width |
| 15:23.51 | FaithX | :) |
| 15:24.03 | antgel | FaithX: just reinstall stable |
| 15:24.13 | zerotrace | jcuk: no... contrast ratio is the difference between the brighest pixel setting and the darkest |
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| 15:24.41 | jcuk | higher contrast ratio is better than |
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| 15:24.44 | FaithX | antgel, but then there is not mythtv in stable... it is in unstable... well of sorts... |
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| 15:25.03 | FaithX | refresh rate is what you want |
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| 15:25.15 | jcuk | ohh |
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| 15:25.20 | jcuk | wide aspect 16:10 |
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| 15:25.33 | antgel | FaithX: install stable. then install a mythtv backport for stable. or if it's in sid, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:25.38 | Electron | how do I burn an iso?: |
| 15:25.39 | jcuk | 20.1" Dell Ultrasharp Widescreen monitor, im considering getting one |
| 15:25.42 | Electron | what should I use |
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| 15:25.54 | abrotman | Electron: do you have a GUI ? |
| 15:26.00 | Electron | yep |
| 15:26.03 | abrotman | which one? |
| 15:26.10 | Electron | Window Maker |
| 15:26.32 | abrotman | erm .. ok .. eroaster,gnomebaker,k3b,graveman .. or just use plain old cdrecord |
| 15:26.46 | thingfish | I really am starting to like gnomebaker. |
| 15:26.47 | Electron | I have k3b |
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| 15:26.58 | Electron | but I couldn't find where to burn a iso |
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| 15:27.19 | FaithX | etch is "unstable" yes? |
| 15:27.20 | antgel | Electron: man cdrecord |
| 15:27.25 | zerotrace | FaithX: yes |
| 15:27.30 | abrotman | etch is testing .. sid is ALWAYS unstable |
| 15:27.30 | antgel | !tell FaithX about releases |
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| 15:27.38 | antgel | !smite zerotrace |
| 15:27.50 | zerotrace | ouch |
| 15:27.52 | Kernel-Kris | i cant get a route to survive after a reboot......can anyone help |
| 15:27.53 | zerotrace | that itches |
| 15:27.56 | jjazz | mmm... boiled plague... |
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| 15:28.12 | caphuso | Kernel-Kris: /msg dpkg static route |
| 15:28.12 | FaithX | !tell Faithx releases |
| 15:28.12 | antgel | Kernel-Kris: man interfaces |
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| 15:28.26 | FaithX | nothing to say |
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| 15:28.51 | jjazz | faithx: http://debian.org/releases/ |
| 15:28.57 | caphuso | FaithX: /msg dpkg releases |
| 15:29.09 | Kernel-Kris | caphuso: what is /msg dpkg...... |
| 15:29.19 | Ronin | something you do Kernel-Kris |
| 15:29.21 | antgel | FaithX: did dpkg not /msg you before? |
| 15:29.36 | caphuso | Kernel-Kris: something you type in your IRC client |
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| 15:31.05 | ke6isf | Kernel-Kris: If you type, for instance, '/msg dpkg static route', dpkg will respond in a friendly-like manner by way of a private message. |
| 15:31.35 | Zvpun | from my /etc/console-tools/config file: APP_CHARSET_MAP=iso15. Do I have to change that to utf8 or utf-8? |
| 15:31.43 | thingfish | I wish dpkg could cook me some eggs and ham and toast. |
| 15:31.51 | antgel | !foot thingfish |
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| 15:31.55 | antgel | !food thingfish |
| 15:32.00 | ke6isf | !kitchen sink |
| 15:32.00 | dpkg | everything |
| 15:32.04 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:32.07 | Zvpun | what does Per-VC ACMs stand for? I guess VC stands for virtual console |
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| 15:32.16 | CosmoDad | what's that site where you can download old debian packages again? |
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| 15:32.40 | thingfish | backports.org? |
| 15:32.47 | antgel | CosmoDad: snapshot |
| 15:32.47 | FaithX | antgel, still doesn't help my problem... |
| 15:33.24 | CosmoDad | antgel: thx |
| 15:33.28 | FaithX | It is just the package metadata is wrong that's all... how do I get around it. |
| 15:33.30 | Zvpun | I find it hard to find snapshot again once I forgot the name. Google for what? No link on debian.org, ... |
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| 15:34.17 | antgel | !snapshot |
| 15:34.17 | dpkg | i heard debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 15:34.25 | Kernel-Kris | anyone ever setup a site to site vpn tunnel ? |
| 15:34.32 | antgel | Kernel-Kris: lots of people |
| 15:34.37 | stew | FaithX: /msg dpkg source |
| 15:35.04 | zerotrace | Kernel-Kris: yeah... i've done it with OpenBSD |
| 15:35.12 | Kernel-Kris | antgel: ok then what package do i need to do a pre shared key auth with a cisco pix |
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| 15:35.42 | K_Dallas | hi guys! is it easy to get debian-sarge-dvd off torrent? i tried yesterday and it was almost dead! thanks |
| 15:35.49 | antgel | Kernel-Kris: have you even looked? |
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| 15:36.11 | Kernel-Kris | antgel: yes i tried freeswan |
| 15:36.24 | antgel | K_Dallas: i'm doing it now, pretty slow, but then i refuse to port-forward to our lan |
| 15:36.35 | antgel | Kernel-Kris: freeswan is no longer developed. openswan |
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| 15:36.43 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 15:37.19 | Kernel-Kris | antgel: thanks |
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| 15:40.10 | questi | hi.. i don't want to see system messages when linux startup |
| 15:40.19 | zerotrace | questi: open your eyes |
| 15:40.24 | questi | what was the name of that application :) |
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| 15:42.32 | tech9iner | thingfish heyya pally |
| 15:42.37 | pigor | how to shutdown with "normal" user? ("shutdown -h now: you must be root to do that!") |
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| 15:43.02 | thingfish | hey tech9iner |
| 15:43.02 | antgel | pigor: you don't. think of the chaos :) |
| 15:43.04 | marculix | use sudo Piggy |
| 15:43.07 | tech9iner | thingfish can you log your chat client in right now on irc://irc.mozilla.org:6667/firefox perchance? |
| 15:43.11 | marculix | use sudo pigor |
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| 15:44.06 | pigor | marculix: wanna use a not interactive script |
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| 15:44.13 | CosmoDad | is snapshot still "down"? The package I want (ipw2200) gives me 404 |
| 15:44.16 | tech9iner | now working here atall thingfish |
| 15:45.02 | thingfish | tech9iner: trying it... |
| 15:45.55 | tech9iner | tanx mate thingfish |
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| 15:47.01 | thingfish | tech9iner: nothing here, no action. |
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| 15:47.49 | fugit | antgel: We got it working. The windows 2k3 server had to have user set for the dhcp registration creditionls. |
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| 15:48.59 | stefanomasini | it there a way I can use partman from and already installed system? |
| 15:49.34 | antgel | fugit: always something with the bloatware :P |
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| 15:50.19 | Zvpun | from my /etc/console-tools/config file: APP_CHARSET_MAP=iso15. Do I have to change that to utf8 or utf-8? |
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| 15:53.18 | Zvpun | does anyone now what acm stands for in the charset command |
| 15:54.15 | ke6isf | !acm |
| 15:54.15 | dpkg | from memory, acm is a multi-player aerial combat simulation. |
| 15:54.25 | Myon | zobel: _not_ here :-P |
| 15:54.44 | Zvpun | hm, that doesnt sound like it hase anything to do with charsets or virtual consoles |
| 15:55.07 | peterS | Zvpun,Guerin: the reason the text console only supports 512 glyphs is, this is a limitation of standard VGA hardware. the fonts are actually being drawn by the graphics card. I believe linux framebuffer mode, which uses graphics mode rather than VGA text mode, doesn't have this limitation |
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| 15:55.30 | timo | Zvpun, application-charset map |
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| 15:55.46 | thingfish | FarrisG: your last name rush? |
| 15:55.47 | timo | Zvpun, according to consolechars(8) |
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| 15:56.00 | Zvpun | timo: and is utf8 a acm_name for charset(1)? |
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| 15:56.46 | peterS | Zvpun,Guerin: at least VGA text mode *does* let you load your own font in there. the older standards CGA and MDA just had one fixed font, I think |
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| 15:57.01 | FaithX | what is really wrong is that package maintainer did not say that libqt3c102-mt and libqt3-mt are the same dependency... can i rebuilt the INFO inside the package? |
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| 15:57.37 | antgel | FaithX: what is really wrong is that you are using packages that are not even designed to work together |
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| 15:58.09 | FaithX | antgel, that is not the case... |
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| 15:58.15 | stew | FaithX: /msg dpkg source |
| 15:58.20 | timo | Zvpun, I don't know. charset(1) only defines cp437, iso01 and vt100 as the predefined ACMs |
| 15:58.24 | antgel | FaithX: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:58.25 | stew | FaithX: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:58.31 | FaithX | the packages in question come out of the same repository |
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| 15:58.42 | stew | FaithX: and what repository are you installing myth from? mdz's? |
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| 15:58.54 | valdyn | FaithX: those deps are *not* the same |
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| 15:59.26 | FaithX | valdyn apt-get says one replaces the other |
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| 15:59.46 | valdyn | FaithX: so? that still does not make it the same |
| 15:59.48 | azeem | FaithX: the C++ ABI has changed, one supersedes the other |
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| 15:59.49 | peterS | FaithX: libqt3c102-mt and libqt3-mt are the same code, but they are not compatible with each other - that's why it was necessary to replace the -c102 one |
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| 15:59.51 | Zvpun | /etc/console-tools/config sets APP_CHARSET_MAP_vc{1,2,3,4,5,6}=iso15 can i delete this statements if I want to have utf8? |
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| 16:00.10 | valdyn | FaithX: i could replace linux-kernel with freebsd-kernel, would that be the same? |
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| 16:00.11 | peterS | FaithX: if you build with g++ 3.4 or g++ 4.0, you *must* use libqt3-mt; if you build with g++ 3.3, you *must* use libqt3c102-mt |
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| 16:00.17 | antgel | stew: his system is "a bit of this, a bit of that" |
| 16:00.19 | peterS | FaithX: that's the basic difference |
| 16:00.23 | darkness | antgel: Now i know why you suggest d/loading a live-cd.To get rid of me for 5-7 hours :-P |
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| 16:00.41 | FaithX | Hmmm |
| 16:00.43 | antgel | darkness: it'll be worth it |
| 16:01.06 | darkness | antgel: 48% downloaded so far :-) |
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| 16:01.08 | valdyn | peterS: vice versa? |
| 16:01.11 | peterS | FaithX: to see what compiler you have as your default, run 'g++ -v'. if you run stable it will be 3.3, if you run unstable or testing it will be 4.0 |
| 16:01.17 | FaithX | stew, I am installing myth form mdz |
| 16:01.21 | stew | darkness: do you have a debian install cd? |
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| 16:01.28 | stew | FaithX: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:01.30 | darkness | stew: yes. |
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| 16:01.35 | darkness | stew: woody. |
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| 16:01.43 | peterS | valdyn: no |
| 16:01.45 | stew | darkness: are you installing mdz's woody packages? |
| 16:01.52 | stew | darkness: nm |
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| 16:02.01 | stew | darkness: i crossed the streams there |
| 16:02.15 | stew | darkness: you can boot that cd, and hit alt-f2 to get a shell |
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| 16:02.17 | peterS | valdyn: do 'apt-cache show libqt3c102-mt | grep Depends' and notice the libstdc++5 in there. then do 'apt-cache show libqt3-mt | grep Depends' and notice the libstdc++6 |
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| 16:02.22 | questi | is there an official document about graphical boot splash ? |
| 16:02.31 | stew | darkness: and /msg dpkg fixmbr <- should give you instructions to repair your mbr |
| 16:02.40 | darkness | stew: No i installed a new kernel without having sarge. So init.rc is it didn't have the bootloader. |
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| 16:02.56 | FaithX | stew, I don't know anymore |
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| 16:03.24 | stew | FaithX: what does apt-cache policy libc6 say for Installed and Candidate? |
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| 16:03.35 | valdyn | peterS: aye, I see |
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| 16:04.01 | bob2 | yay for a SONAME chnage that leads to MORE sane SONAMEs |
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| 16:04.14 | FaithX | stew, 2.3.5-6 |
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| 16:04.31 | stew | FaithX: paste your sources.list into #flood |
| 16:04.43 | stew | darkness: what are you going to do with the knoppix cd that you can't do with an install cd? |
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| 16:05.23 | antgel | stew: i told him to grab knoppix as he said he lost his install cd. didn't know he had a woody one |
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| 16:05.26 | antgel | oo-er |
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| 16:06.50 | pigor | i have put in my /etc/shutdown.allow the username i wanna allow to shutdown - but "shutdown -a -h now" does not work - why? |
| 16:06.56 | stew | FaithX: have you even tried just "apt-get install libqt3-mt" ? |
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| 16:07.05 | FaithX | stew, http://sial.org/pbot/13368 |
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| 16:07.23 | stew | FaithX: you need at least one debian source |
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| 16:07.25 | FaithX | stew, yes but then I get problems with libmyth |
| 16:07.34 | stew | what problems |
| 16:07.39 | stew | FaithX: uncomment the etch line |
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| 16:07.42 | OneStDaY | hello...if I place opt=arg after module name in /etc/modules is it correct? |
| 16:07.46 | stew | then apt-get update |
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| 16:08.00 | darkness | Stew: What does mount -t ext2/dev/whatever/target mean? whatever/target. |
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| 16:08.36 | stew | darkness: do you know which dev is your root partition? |
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| 16:08.47 | stew | darkness: /dev/hda1? /dev/hda3? |
| 16:08.52 | stew | or something... |
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| 16:09.11 | FaithX | stew, problem is... all of the 18.1 deps say libqt3c102-mt | libqt3-mt in INFO except libmyth 18-1 |
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| 16:09.30 | stew | FaithX: you should be running libqt3-mt |
| 16:09.40 | FaithX | but... |
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| 16:10.48 | umbop | hey guys, if i copy something, does it copy over the permissions i.e. if i di cp -R dir/ /new/dir woudl all permissions follow? |
| 16:11.17 | pem3v78 | what does 'make oldconfig' do in kernel source dir ? |
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| 16:11.20 | azeem | umbop: depends on the option, -a does that AFAIK |
| 16:11.27 | umbop | hmm |
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| 16:11.39 | umbop | if you tar something does that also keep the permissions? |
| 16:11.42 | azeem | not sure whether -R alone does it |
| 16:11.45 | azeem | yes |
| 16:11.51 | umbop | good |
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| 16:12.05 | stew | umbop: read the cp manpage, its all in there |
| 16:12.09 | olczyk | I'm having trouble with a part of the install of debian. I reboot do the basic install. Then I reboot. Start in commandline. Do an apt-get install kde. I reboot. Try startx and fail. |
| 16:12.09 | Anthro | umbop: Look into the o and p options |
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| 16:12.28 | El-Lotso | ANyone here tried out nstx?? |
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| 16:12.57 | El-Lotso | can I get a clue here?? |
| 16:13.02 | olczyk | . /usr/bin/X11/X no such file or directory. |
| 16:13.09 | antgel | FaithX: why do you persist in trying to get your hosed box to work, rather than starting again with stable, and the knowledge that fucking with different repos is a bad idea? |
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| 16:13.22 | antgel | El-Lotso: not if you don't ask a meaningful question |
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| 16:13.39 | stew | olczyk: install x-window-system |
| 16:13.49 | olczyk | Ok. Thanks |
| 16:13.49 | antgel | olczyk: no need for all that rebooting |
| 16:14.00 | antgel | !tell olczyk about grounding |
| 16:14.00 | thingfish | olczyk: I would maybe try base-config. BTW there are two parts to install: the base install, which it sounds like you've hit, and then the second part, where you install the rest of the system, which it sounds like you've missed. |
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| 16:14.06 | DeVeRaS | guys, i installed ubuntu with apt-get and i don't kow the admin password. doesn't ask for noting so i can't do anything... how do i set up it? |
| 16:14.24 | antgel | DeVeRaS: this is #debian |
| 16:14.30 | Ronin | DeVeRaS: tried #ubuntu |
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| 16:14.35 | olczyk | Should kde autmatically install x-window-system? |
| 16:14.38 | stew | DeVeRaS: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 16:14.43 | stew | olczyk: no |
| 16:14.55 | El-Lotso | antgel: NSTX, I can't figure out the nameserver part of it |
| 16:14.55 | RichiH_ | !test |
| 16:14.55 | dpkg | Sorry, richih_, I didn't get your test. |
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| 16:15.14 | FaithX | stew, http://sial.org/pbot/13369 |
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| 16:15.52 | FaithX | antgel, do you have mythtv running? |
| 16:15.59 | DeVeRaS | guys, i installed phpbb2 with apt-get and i don't kow the admin password. doesn't ask for noting so i can't do anything... how do i set up it? |
| 16:16.01 | antgel | FaithX: no |
| 16:16.08 | FaithX | enough said |
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| 16:16.18 | Ronin | DeVeRaS: i thought you installed ubuntu |
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| 16:16.45 | DeVeRaS | that was a mistake, but since it uses apt-get must be the same yes? |
| 16:17.03 | antgel | FaithX: why is that? don't avoid my question |
| 16:17.04 | Ronin | nope |
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| 16:17.13 | DeVeRaS | i don't have a login, nor i was asked for one... |
| 16:17.15 | FaithX | antgel, it is a mongrel to build on debian ... to many deps |
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| 16:17.31 | antgel | FaithX: when did i tell you to build it? |
| 16:17.42 | FaithX | antgel, the dev crew for mythtv are redcarpers |
| 16:17.48 | stew | antgel: he would have to build it |
| 16:17.54 | antgel | stew: no backport? |
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| 16:17.58 | stew | antgel: no |
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| 16:18.23 | antgel | FaithX: apologies |
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| 16:18.52 | FaithX | antgel, not a problem... I know where you are coming from.... I just want my Toys to work |
| 16:19.06 | FaithX | well that's a thought you know |
| 16:19.20 | stew | FaithX: i hadn't tried any of those: {mythdvd|weather...} looks like they are legitimately not installable, email mdz |
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| 16:19.24 | antgel | FaithX: as much as it pains me, perhaps debian isn't the best choice for a mythtv box |
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| 16:20.08 | FaithX | antgel, no I just realized what is.... ubuntu |
| 16:20.17 | FaithX | it just works |
| 16:20.24 | thingfish | ick |
| 16:20.24 | FaithX | has the latest packages |
| 16:20.35 | stew | mdz is a cannonical (read: ubuntu) employee, and maintains these packages for ubuntu |
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| 16:21.05 | El-Lotso | Has anyone played with NSTX, I can't figure out the nameserver part of it |
| 16:21.30 | FaithX | now lets really hose the box !!! |
| 16:21.49 | stew | FaithX: i'd email mdz first |
| 16:21.56 | FaithX | point my apt sources to ubuntu |
| 16:22.08 | stew | FaithX: after you do that, please don't return here for help |
| 16:22.08 | Ronin | oh ya thats a good idea FaithX, yeesshh |
| 16:22.11 | antgel | FaithX: what stew said |
| 16:22.25 | fken | hello |
| 16:22.25 | mxn | Hello. Why might Debian be telling me that packages can't be verified when I apt-get install? |
| 16:22.25 | fugit | antgel, FaithX: I originally had a debian myth box and switched to knoppmyth |
| 16:22.33 | FaithX | I won't for that |
| 16:22.35 | stew | mxn: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 16:22.38 | fken | how can i install kdevelop with apt ? |
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| 16:22.41 | stew | FaithX: for anything |
| 16:22.47 | stew | FaithX: anything related to that box |
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| 16:22.57 | mxn | stew: Thanks. |
| 16:23.03 | Thanatermesis | apt-get install --reinstall libgtk2-perl |
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| 16:23.15 | Thanatermesis | Reinstallation of libgtk2-perl is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 16:23.17 | Thanatermesis | why ¿ |
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| 16:24.17 | stew | Thanatermesis: have you run apt-get update? |
| 16:24.27 | Thanatermesis | all days :) |
| 16:24.36 | FaithX | I'm starting to think I have a network issue... everytime I try a netboot install it fails to download the installer packages from the net |
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| 16:25.06 | FaithX | do we all hate ubuntu that much? |
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| 16:25.26 | antgel | FaithX: no, we hate mongrel boxes |
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| 16:26.28 | fugit | FaithX: I happen to like Ubuntu I just preffer debian |
| 16:26.34 | FaithX | antgel, but it's a toy for TV... my real boxen are pure |
| 16:26.39 | ke6isf | FaithX: It's not a hatred of Ubuntu, it's that Ubuntu does things differently than Debian - enough so that the Debian community can't support it. |
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| 16:26.47 | antgel | FaithX: so make it a pure ubuntu box |
| 16:26.50 | FaithX | all my real boxen are debian ... |
| 16:26.54 | stew | FaithX: i think ubuntu is good. we just can't support a box that is mixing packages from two different distributions, |
| 16:27.07 | FaithX | sure I understand that. |
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| 16:27.19 | FaithX | I wouldn't ask you to. |
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| 16:27.34 | Thanatermesis | and why don't work "apt-get install -d package" if the dependencies or conflicts not are good? :'( |
| 16:28.00 | ke6isf | FaithX: With a pure Ubuntu box, #ubuntu is of course the right spot - but if you're mixing Debian and Ubuntu, I don't think anybody is gonna support that kind of a mishmosh. |
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| 16:28.41 | FaithX | In the first place... all I wanted to know really... was how to edit the deb INFO to get some packages a maintainer hasn't got quite together at this point of time... so I can watch the TV!!! |
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| 16:30.20 | SuperNinjaKitty | how bad is it to install items from sid on etch, specifically KDE 3.4 |
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| 16:30.57 | antgel | SuperNinjaKitty: if you hose your box, don't come complaining |
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| 16:31.35 | questi | hi.. |
| 16:31.40 | questi | where 's grub.conf file :s |
| 16:31.43 | questi | i couldnt find it already |
| 16:31.59 | SuperNinjaKitty | antgel tis why i am asking the question, seeing if anyone HAS hosed their system doin it and if anyone has had no problem doin it |
| 16:32.01 | stew | SuperNinjaKitty: ask #debian-kde |
| 16:32.36 | thingfish | questi: that's from some other distro. you want /boot/grub/menu.1st |
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| 16:32.47 | Emu_ | hi people |
| 16:33.00 | cheal | SuperNinjaKitty: of course anyone HAS hosed their system doin it |
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| 16:33.12 | Emu_ | i have problems trying to install fetchmail |
| 16:33.14 | sep | SuperNinjaKitty, mixing distroes are a bad thing imho, im sure proficent fellowes can do so successfully, but i woudnt recoment it |
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| 16:33.42 | antgel | SuperNinjaKitty: what if all the people who have hosed their system are not in this channel? |
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| 16:34.09 | cheal | antgel: it would still be hard to forget about their complaining |
| 16:34.12 | sep | antgel, becouse they are all busy reinstalling ? |
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| 16:34.16 | SuperNinjaKitty | antgel how would you have prefered me to phrase my question? |
| 16:34.19 | Emu_ | it says Starting mail retrieval agent: fetchmailfetchmail: no mailservers have been specified. (failed). |
| 16:34.28 | Emu_ | when i try to install it |
| 16:34.46 | antgel | SuperNinjaKitty: like this. "hi, i use debian stable and i don't need kde 3.4 because it doesn't make any difference to my life, computing or otherwise" |
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| 16:35.05 | antgel | cheal: *grin* |
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| 16:35.24 | stew | antgel: that would not be a good way of stating his question at all |
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| 16:35.30 | SuperNinjaKitty | antgel and that would have answer what i wanted to know how? |
| 16:35.31 | outlaw84 | is it posible to blacklist a certain package in apt ? |
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| 16:35.38 | stew | antgel: since he doesn't run stable |
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| 16:35.51 | sep | outlaw84, be more spesific |
| 16:35.54 | SuperNinjaKitty | antgel if you dont want to answer dont sheesh |
| 16:35.55 | stew | SuperNinjaKitty: just ask #debian-kde ; it's probably fine, but ask them first |
| 16:35.57 | beardy | outlaw84: Just don't install it? |
| 16:36.00 | cheal | outlaw84: blacklist as in keeping it from installing by dependency? |
| 16:36.02 | stew | SuperNinjaKitty: just use /ignore |
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| 16:36.37 | SuperNinjaKitty | stew ignore works only after you know you should have used it |
| 16:36.50 | outlaw84 | I wanna keep openclipart-png from reloading evertime I do a dist-upgrade |
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| 16:37.12 | sep | outlaw84, thats pinning |
| 16:37.30 | antgel | outlaw84: you need to put the package on hold, assuming you mean upgrading when you say reloading |
| 16:37.36 | outlaw84 | Its 130 Mb and I dont care that much about clipart |
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| 16:37.51 | outlaw84 | antgel: how do I do that? |
| 16:38.00 | beardy | outlaw84: Which package? |
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| 16:38.07 | outlaw84 | beardy: openclipart-png |
| 16:38.17 | cheal | heh... |
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| 16:38.27 | cheal | !tell outlaw84 about hold |
| 16:38.31 | Gnea | hrm |
| 16:38.36 | beardy | outlaw84: Ask dpkg about pinning |
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| 16:38.59 | cheal | beardy: I don't think he wants pinning |
| 16:39.16 | beardy | cheal: Ok |
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| 16:40.35 | BusMaster | has anyone managed to successfully setup a netwarok card based on the Marvel Yukon chipset? |
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| 16:41.01 | cheal | BusMaster: most likely |
| 16:41.13 | antgel | BusMaster: my money is on yes |
| 16:41.48 | BusMaster | cheal, antgel : My Toshiba Tecra A3 laptop has that network card, but kernel2.6.10 refuses to detect it :( |
| 16:41.50 | outlaw84 | lol |
| 16:42.12 | beardy | BusMaster: Have you read this? http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/01/msg00447.html |
| 16:42.21 | caphuso | [ 31.394260] eth0: Yukon Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T Adapter |
| 16:42.24 | cheal | BusMaster: kernel 2.6.10? which release do you run? |
| 16:42.44 | BusMaster | cheal, I rolled my own |
| 16:42.51 | BusMaster | beardy, checking out that link |
| 16:42.59 | cheal | BusMaster: how come? |
| 16:43.08 | beardy | BusMaster: In other words, google is your friend ;) |
| 16:43.12 | outlaw84 | caphuso: are you using a Gigabit or just having support for it? |
| 16:43.29 | BusMaster | cheal, a friend gave me the vanilla sources on a CD, I decided to compile it and see how it worked |
| 16:43.30 | sep | BusMaster, tried loading it manualy with modprobe sk98lin and look in dmesg afterwards ? |
| 16:43.56 | BusMaster | sep, yeah...it says something like, "Inernal software error" |
| 16:44.01 | BusMaster | sep, internal |
| 16:44.24 | sep | BusMaster, tried that with a kernel-image kernel also ? |
| 16:44.24 | BusMaster | caphuso, my adapter is not gigabit ethernet |
| 16:44.32 | cheal | BusMaster: feel free to compile vanilla kernels if you want, just use the stock ones |
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| 16:44.56 | caphuso | outlaw84: just having support |
| 16:44.58 | BusMaster | sep, nope...I am searching for drivers which I can compile to kernel modules |
| 16:45.37 | BusMaster | cheal, sep : will just upgrading to the latest vanilla from kernel.org help? |
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| 16:45.57 | BusMaster | cheal, sep : the logic being that later is better :) |
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| 16:46.12 | beardy | BusMaster: Not always, but in this case yes. |
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| 16:46.41 | BusMaster | beardy, then I'll download 2.6.13.2 :) |
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| 16:47.08 | BusMaster | what is the difference between a vanilla kernel from kernel.org and the debian kernels? |
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| 16:47.18 | azeem | BusMaster: the Debian diff |
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| 16:47.51 | whitehorse1 | BusMaster: Debian kernels typically contain Debian patches and/or have been used with particular modules elsewhere in the repositorie(s) |
| 16:47.52 | beardy | BusMaster: The debian kernels include some patches, but other people can probably answer this better. |
| 16:47.56 | BusMaster | azeem, you mean debian changes things inside the kernel? The linus getting started guide made me feel that linux is the kernel, and distros merely pack some nice software around it |
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| 16:48.18 | azeem | BusMaster: The kernel is changed slightly as well, if needed |
| 16:48.26 | BusMaster | azeem, oh |
| 16:48.29 | valdyn | BusMaster: every distro ( but slackware ) patches the kernel |
| 16:48.30 | pixelmonkey | anyone here have a recommendation for a no-nonsense, easy to install under Debian sarge wiki package? |
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| 16:48.33 | cheal | BusMaster: "The linus getting started guide"? what's that? |
| 16:48.36 | beardy | BusMaster: Mostly true, but almost every ditribution patches the kernel, or keeps their own kernel tree. |
| 16:48.49 | antgel | pixelmonkey: apt-cache search wiki |
| 16:48.51 | cheal | pixelmonkey: wiki engine? |
| 16:48.51 | whitehorse1 | BusMaster: A good way to get an idea is to search on packagename kernel at debian.org and chek out one of the changelogs? |
| 16:48.55 | CosmoDad | I've built my own kernel debian-like. When I boot it, however, it panics because it cannot find the root partition. If I build an initrd by hand and use it, the kernel boots. Why was this not done during kernel building? |
| 16:49.10 | pixelmonkey | cheal: that is, for having a web-based wiki. |
| 16:49.17 | fken | i wanna install kdevelop3 but its only in unstable and moreover installing it from unstable require a lot of upgrade |
| 16:49.20 | pixelmonkey | antgel, I know, there are many, I'm asking for experience here. |
| 16:49.24 | fken | should i do that ? |
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| 16:49.27 | valdyn | CosmoDad: why did you not compile your disk driver and filesystem driver in? |
| 16:49.30 | antgel | CosmoDad: could be a bug, depends which module the initrd needed |
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| 16:49.43 | cheal | fken: kdevelop3 is in stable |
| 16:49.52 | beardy | fken: Use the version available in stable? |
| 16:49.53 | fken | cheal : amd64 |
| 16:49.59 | CosmoDad | valdyn: this kernel is supposed to be very generic, like the standard debian image |
| 16:50.05 | cheal | fken: ask #debian-kde |
| 16:50.22 | beardy | CosmoDad: Just wondering, why not use the precompiled debian kernel then? |
| 16:50.25 | CosmoDad | antgel: actually it's just a standard 2.4 kernel patched with adeos and cpufreq |
| 16:50.31 | CosmoDad | beardy: due to the patches |
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| 16:50.36 | valdyn | CosmoDad: well, if those things arent compiled in and the kernel doesnt have them in an initrd, how the hell is he supposed to find what is required to mount your root filesystem? |
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| 16:50.52 | BusMaster | and what happens if I indeed roll my own kernel from a vanilla?? Does it subtly break functionality in Debian? |
| 16:51.05 | beardy | BusMaster: No. |
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| 16:51.08 | antgel | BusMaster: not if you roll it properly i.e. the debian way |
| 16:51.17 | CosmoDad | valdyn: my question was: why did the kernel not create the initrd and set it up in grub although I did use --initrd? |
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| 16:51.24 | CosmoDad | valdyn: I mean make-kpkg... |
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| 16:51.44 | valdyn | CosmoDad: alright, i see |
| 16:51.49 | whitehorse1 | pixelmonkey: Trac? [http://www.livejournal.com/community/geeks/977563.html] |
| 16:51.51 | BusMaster | antgel, and what is thedebian way? I am about to make menuconfig; make bzImage; make modules;make modules_install |
| 16:51.52 | cheal | BusMaster: not necessarily. the difference with Debian kernels is that those are "guaranteed" to work on Debian systems and not include non-free software |
| 16:51.56 | questi | i added password to menu.lst for my grub but grub don't ask password when i open my computer.. what's problem ? |
| 16:52.06 | beardy | BusMaster: You can also ask dpkg about "kp mantra" (/msg dpkg kp mantra) |
| 16:52.10 | antgel | BusMaster: please go and read the debian reference |
| 16:52.19 | BusMaster | antgel, okay |
| 16:52.27 | antgel | !tell BusMaster about reference |
| 16:52.29 | CosmoDad | would I need a make-kpkg clean for --initrd to take effect if I once compiled the very same kernel without that option? |
| 16:52.47 | antgel | CosmoDad: you always need make-kpkg clean afaik |
| 16:53.06 | BusMaster | Hmm...thanks guys |
| 16:53.11 | CosmoDad | I did it like this: make-kpkg "no --initrd", installing, failed. make-kpkg "with --initrd", removed the old kernel, installed the new, failed |
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| 16:53.31 | whitehorse1 | fken: Also perhaps consider desktop-debian.org wherein a backport of KDE3.4.1 lies. But, irrespective, ask in #debian-kde |
| 16:53.34 | cheal | pixelmonkey: I guess you mean a wiki engine, since all wikis are web-based |
| 16:53.36 | CosmoDad | antgel: even for just passing a single argument like --initrd? sucks :( |
| 16:53.47 | CosmoDad | antgel: ...in addition, that is |
| 16:53.47 | pixelmonkey | whitehorse1: hmm, that looks interesting indeed |
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| 16:53.51 | cheal | pixelmonkey: any scripting language you're more comfortable with? |
| 16:53.51 | js_ | whats the name of a command line tool i can use to merge a bunch of wavefiles into one big wave or mp3? |
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| 16:54.09 | pixelmonkey | cheal: really? I run a "desktop wiki" called "Tomboy" ;-) |
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| 16:54.12 | whitehorse1 | cheal: Even Instiki - which can run on a local host. ...rubyonrails ramble here |
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| 16:54.14 | pixelmonkey | cheal: Python is my favorite. |
| 16:54.20 | pixelmonkey | cheal, recommend moinmoin? |
| 16:54.39 | whitehorse1 | pixelmonkey: I've used Instiki/Tomboy (desktop wiki's) - what's Tomboy like? New one on me |
| 16:54.56 | cheal | pixelmonkey: Moin seems fine, at least in stable, particularly if you like Python. |
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| 16:55.08 | cheal | wiki.d.o should use moin |
| 16:55.24 | pixelmonkey | whitehorse1: it's a gnome-applet that gives you "notes", like the old "stickies" programs. Except, the notes each have titles, and any mention of a title automatically creates a wiki-link |
| 16:55.25 | abrotman | cheal: tell them |
| 16:55.28 | Rawplayer | anyone in here got netatalk working? |
| 16:55.32 | whitehorse1 | pixelmonkey: Yep, I thought it might be useful; he wanted it for tracking bugs and stuff but wiki's came up in the threads anyhow. Mediawiki is oft-overkill as you may have thought |
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| 16:55.38 | elephant | Hi all |
| 16:55.43 | Rawplayer | hi |
| 16:55.57 | ke6isf | !all |
| 16:55.59 | cheal | abrotman: I meant should as in "they are supposed to do that in the future". was that misformulated or...? |
| 16:56.00 | elephant | Is there a way to repair/identify corrupted files ? In this case its .jpeg files |
| 16:56.01 | pixelmonkey | whitehorse1: yea, I think mediawiki is awesome, but a mess to install, and I don't think sarge packages exist |
| 16:56.15 | abrotman | cheal: nfc |
| 16:56.16 | ke6isf | elephant: Define corrupted? |
| 16:56.21 | whitehorse1 | cheal: wikido will use moin though? according to what I read last night on the wiki it's done & dusted (the decision I mean) |
| 16:56.22 | cheal | abrotman: actually, they already do it, but it's not yet in production |
| 16:56.52 | cheal | whitehorse1: it looks that way indeed. I just meant it's not yet in production |
| 16:56.52 | fken | see ya |
| 16:57.00 | ke6isf | elephant: Are the files hosed or something? Are there a few bytes out of place? What's going on? |
| 16:57.02 | whitehorse1 | pixelmonkey: Ah, true that (mediawiki). Unstable only afaik. I might check out tomboy. shame a native qt3/kde version isnt around =) |
| 16:57.13 | whitehorse1 | nod |
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| 16:57.26 | elephant | ke6isf: impossible to open, missing datas during writing...those jpegs are transmitted via a network camera so sometimes network problems occurs during transfert |
| 16:57.30 | beardy | js_: The easiest way probably is to play them all in sequence with a command line player that supports output to file/disc/encoder. Another way could perhaps be to strip the headers of every file but the first and just cat then together, but you must know a bit about the waveformat of the files. |
| 16:57.56 | elephant | ke6isf: i think its about missing datas in file header |
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| 16:58.32 | elephant | beardy: that was for me ? |
| 16:58.52 | js_ | beardy: yeah, maybe i can convert them to a raw format first, then cat them together, and finally make it wave again |
| 16:58.56 | cheal | pixelmonkey: never used tomboy, but it doesn't look like a real wiki |
| 16:59.16 | beardy | elephant: no. |
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| 16:59.36 | ke6isf | elephant: Open 'em up in gimp. |
| 16:59.41 | beardy | js_: Yeah, just do a backup, and only work on copies. |
| 17:00.02 | dafen | the new ipw2200-source, when make-kpkg modules_image, it returns error like: |
| 17:00.16 | dafen | unrecognized option `-iquote/sur/include/ieee80211` |
| 17:00.34 | dafen | module /usr/src/modules/ipw2200 failed |
| 17:00.38 | pixelmonkey | cheal: well yea, it's just borrowing some concepts. It's really a desktop note manager |
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| 17:00.41 | elephant | ke6isf: in this project i use "mencoder" every day on all camera's images to create a dynamic video historic of what is being filmed. |
| 17:00.56 | whitehorse1 | dpkg trac? |
| 17:00.57 | dpkg | hmm... trac is at http://www.edgewall.com/products/trac/ and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=235058 |
| 17:01.00 | pixelmonkey | cheal: it ends up supporting the need most people have to write down ideas. |
| 17:01.04 | whitehorse1 | darn :( |
| 17:01.17 | cheal | whitehorse1: that's certainly an argument. I had started the kwiki-mediawiki comparison, I thought about doing a moin-mediawiki one but didn't start yet |
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| 17:01.36 | elephant | So i have thousands of images...impossible to open them one by one...so i need a way to identify corrupted images cause they make my video files stop |
| 17:01.41 | mith | anyone familiar with how the php packages are done? I'm trying to figure out how to rebuild just the php4-mysql packages so that it's linked against the right version of mysql |
| 17:01.50 | mith | s/packages/package/ |
| 17:02.18 | whitehorse1 | pixelmonkey: I had a bunch of code-snippet/notes-snippet knowledge-management little tools in windows but now I'm using *nix more. I've downloaded some but haven't given any a real test run yet |
| 17:02.36 | dfinn | on a default debian woody or sarge install using qmail how are the mail.log files rotated? Something is rotating them but I can't figure out what. Sure doesn't look like logrotate. |
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| 17:02.59 | nkuttler | mith: apt-get source package, usually you build it with debian/rules binary |
| 17:03.11 | cheal | pixelmonkey: FWIW, sid's mediawiki installs fine on stable |
| 17:03.21 | Anthro | dfinn: I would expect it to be logrotate. Why do you think it isn't? |
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| 17:03.44 | dfinn | there's nothing mentioning the mail log files in the logrotate config stuff |
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| 17:03.55 | mith | nkuttler: right, but it just grabs the entire php sources, do I need to rebuild all of the packages? because I don't have builddeps (and don't want them) for 95% of the php modules |
| 17:04.00 | dfinn | is it being automatically generated somehow using the syslog file? |
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| 17:04.22 | whitehorse1 | cheal: mmm, I mean I know that's a weak argument in many ways. but on the other hand documentation is so important and yet - because producing it is dull and requires technical writers (or at least those with a smidgin' of such skillsets) it's so often neglected in software let alone OSS |
| 17:04.35 | nkuttler | mith: i guess then you have to look into the rules file, dunno |
| 17:04.44 | Anthro | dfinn: Did you grep for mail in /etc/logrotate.d? |
| 17:04.46 | nkuttler | mith: install maint-guide to learn more |
| 17:04.57 | dfinn | Anthro: yes, and all of etc |
| 17:05.09 | mith | nkuttler: this would be why I asked if anyone was familiar with the php packages, not "how do I rebuild a package from source" |
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| 17:05.36 | whitehorse1 | I don't understand dpk's response re trac, the bug report's archived and says it's now in the repository from 2004 but it isn't in testing/stable at all |
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| 17:06.23 | valcker | hi. is it something like wget --limit-rate=... for apt? |
| 17:06.27 | cheal | whitehorse1: what? trac is in etch/sid |
| 17:06.59 | whitehorse1 | sorry, yeah me being an idiot. I searched and didn't read the results properly :D |
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| 17:07.37 | beardy | valcker: What do you mean? Don't you want to install packages the fastest possible way you can? |
| 17:07.40 | cheal | trac looked pretty cool. debian is a bit overkill to use trac though |
| 17:07.43 | cheal | :) |
| 17:08.03 | darkness | stew: Didn't work :-( |
| 17:08.21 | valcker | I want, but I can't. My boss doesn't allow me to do it :( |
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| 17:08.30 | whitehorse1 | Anyone here got any ~personal~ experience of 'trac' by the way? I've heard it described as: a wiki-on-steroids/useful for software dev esp. bugtracking; but only heard one view so far |
| 17:08.44 | beardy | valcker: Then let him enforce the rate limit? |
| 17:09.03 | whitehorse1 | cheal: Ah, less overkill than bugzilla though surely? (ignoring the wiki part for a mo |
| 17:09.06 | System- | hey guys got a problem, debian cd1 wont boot from my laptop, nothing happens? |
| 17:09.38 | beardy | System-: Something have to happen, be more specific, where does it stop, error messages? |
| 17:09.40 | mith | fix your laptop or fix the cd, what exactly do you want help with? |
| 17:09.46 | System- | nope nothing happens |
| 17:09.54 | beardy | System-: Then charge your battery. |
| 17:09.55 | cheal | whitehorse1: I was talking about Debian being the overkill beast to fit in Trac |
| 17:09.56 | whitehorse1 | System-: Most likely cause: You burnt a CD image FILE to the CD-ROM not burnt the image in Nero or other program of choice as an image unpacked sort've thing. |
| 17:09.58 | System- | the iso is perfect i done a checksum |
| 17:10.05 | js_ | beardy: soxmix did exactly what i wanted |
| 17:10.07 | valcker | that's the problem. well, it's a long story, but i can say that he doesn't want to do it... |
| 17:10.13 | System- | i burnt it as an iso image onto the cd |
| 17:10.13 | beardy | js_: nice :) |
| 17:10.22 | whitehorse1 | cheal: Christ yes! laughs @ thought |
| 17:10.25 | whitehorse1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:10.52 | whitehorse1 | System-: Second thing is check BIOS to ensure boot order looks to CD drive before HD |
| 17:10.57 | System- | it is set to boot from cd (in bios) cd is perfect and it is burnt as an image |
| 17:11.06 | beardy | valcker: I think you have to do it on another level, there is load balancing stuff in the kernel. |
| 17:11.11 | System- | i can boot knoppix, kanotix etc, so i know it can boot from cd |
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| 17:11.14 | mith | bleh, when's the first -r release for sarge? I'm sick of pulling these large packages from security.debian.org :P |
| 17:11.23 | whitehorse1 | System-: ok. can you read the cd contents fine ? |
| 17:11.33 | cheal | dpkg: no, trac is a Python wiki and issue tracking system for software development projects, or at http://www.edgewall.com/products/trac/ |
| 17:11.33 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
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| 17:11.40 | valcker | beardy: i know, i just wanted to know if there is a way to limit it in apt |
| 17:11.55 | beardy | valcker: The manpage or infopage will tell you. |
| 17:12.15 | System- | in this computer i can see the contents of the cd, and it tries to auto play |
| 17:12.29 | System- | is there any problems with debian and dell laptops with booting? |
| 17:12.38 | beardy | valcker: Or /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 17:12.55 | whitehorse1 | System-: I've installed from CD & recently :/ It wasn't a laptop - was a dell though ;) I haven't heard of any probs though either |
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| 17:13.08 | valcker | beardy: thank you. |
| 17:13.20 | System- | it seems strange because everything i can seem to think of is fine |
| 17:13.21 | whitehorse1 | System-: Is it a netboot install CD? Perhaps as a last resort try that? (obviously that assumes connection) |
| 17:13.26 | whitehorse1 | System-: me too |
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| 17:13.29 | System- | its the cd1 |
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| 17:13.44 | whitehorse1 | System-: cd 1 of 13 yes? |
| 17:13.52 | yalu | is anyone here using a sound card with an fm801 chip? from Forte Media |
| 17:14.08 | yalu | my computer kernel-panics when I try to play sound |
| 17:14.09 | beardy | valcker: No problem. I doubt it's possible though.. |
| 17:14.18 | System- | well i just got cd1 at the mo to try and install debian to start with, but yes it is cd1 of the many debian iso images |
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| 17:14.54 | Zvpun | what fonts can I install to see less boxes in http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt |
| 17:14.56 | Diskgrind | Hello everyone!\ |
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| 17:15.59 | whitehorse1 | Hmm trac uses sqlite not mysql. meh |
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| 17:16.09 | zinx | mm sqlosemydata |
| 17:16.11 | Chris62vw | programs are having problems setting the locale on my debian system |
| 17:16.15 | whitehorse1 | zvpun can you take a screenshot? |
| 17:16.33 | Chris62vw | I keep getting stuff like "warning: Setting locale failed.\nPlease check that your locale settings:" |
| 17:16.34 | Zvpun | sure |
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| 17:16.36 | Chris62vw | that's when I run perl |
| 17:16.37 | dafen | I am about to apt-get remove gcc-3.3, but the system warned me about libstdc++5 is essential |
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| 17:16.44 | whitehorse1 | Zvpun: and what browser are you using? sounds like a chracter encoding Not font issue unless I've misunderstoodwhat u said |
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| 17:16.45 | abrotman | Zvpun: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. pick a UTF setting ? |
| 17:16.46 | Chris62vw | other programs have problems like that too. any ideas? |
| 17:16.47 | dafen | but the point is that I have libstdc++6 installed |
| 17:16.55 | azeem | Chris62vw: did you generate the locale you set with locale-gen? |
| 17:16.55 | dafen | so shall I continue remove libstdc++5? |
| 17:16.56 | beardy | Chris62vw: Have you generated the locale you want? 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'? |
| 17:17.03 | Zvpun | whitehorse1: mozila-firefox, I do have utf8 locales |
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| 17:17.18 | whitehorse1 | dafen: Go to debian-kde channel and click the link in topic about this exact topic :) |
| 17:17.21 | Chris62vw | azeem, beardy, no, I'll have to try, thanks! my debian has been working fine, until I tried to update it a few months ago |
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| 17:17.40 | whitehorse1 | dafen: I read it last night |
| 17:17.43 | dafen | what? |
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| 17:17.44 | beardy | !tell Chris62vw about locales |
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| 17:17.49 | dafen | it's nothing to do with kde |
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| 17:17.57 | twobitsp1ite | when I run /etc/init.d/samba start, it only shows that it's starting nmbd, but I don't see it starting smbd... shouldn't it start both? |
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| 17:18.04 | N0S3 | hello! |
| 17:18.12 | mxn | Hi. How can I find out what devices are associated to a loaded module? |
| 17:18.13 | whitehorse1 | dafen: I KNOW. But the link in the channel's topic is pertinent |
| 17:18.30 | whitehorse1 | yr choice |
| 17:18.54 | lhirgi | version towbitsp1ite |
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| 17:19.04 | whitehorse1 | Zvpun: Have you tried selecting Unicode UTF-8 in the charenc menu in Firefox? |
| 17:19.05 | Chris62vw | heh, that didn't work: locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 17:19.09 | Chris62vw | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 17:19.11 | Chris62vw | thanks, let me read about that |
| 17:19.13 | whitehorse1 | Zvpun: WFM! |
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| 17:19.27 | Zvpun | whitehorse1: it is selecte, what does WFM mean? |
| 17:19.29 | beardy | azeem: Does locale-gen have the same effect as dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 17:19.46 | Chris62vw | so the locale-fixing program can't run because locales are broken. great :-) |
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| 17:19.50 | charolastra | hi everyone |
| 17:20.01 | whitehorse1 | dafen: I didn't mean to be rude I just meant that is relevant afaik despite being linked from that channel || Zvpun WFM = Works for me |
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| 17:20.40 | whitehorse1 | Zvpun: I'll view source to see if I can figure it out; that page works fine for moi :) |
| 17:20.43 | charolastra | i'm wondering why there is a "kdelibs4c2" instead of a "kdelibs4" now; it breaks alot for dependencies in other packages :( |
| 17:20.49 | dafen | I 've browsed their faq, but apparently no answer... |
| 17:20.50 | Chris62vw | aha, locale-gen looks like it fixed it |
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| 17:20.56 | Chris62vw | weird! thanks guys |
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| 17:21.04 | Chris62vw | I wonder what caused the problem in the first place. oh well |
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| 17:21.09 | Zvpun | whitehorse1: were can I upload the screenshot to? |
| 17:21.18 | cheal | charolastra: #debian-kde |
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| 17:22.09 | charolastra | cheal: AFAIK i noticed similiar things with non-kde packages too |
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| 17:22.16 | whitehorse1 | Zvpun: d'you have hosting space or photobucket? then you could paste the link in pastebin.ca - if all else fails I'll msg you an email addy |
| 17:22.20 | dafen | ok, I think I found a bug |
| 17:22.28 | dafen | first, the new ipw2200-source can't be compiled with gcc 3 |
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| 17:22.40 | dafen | that's why I constantly got errors during make-kpkg modules-image |
| 17:22.42 | Zvpun | whitehorse1: I dont have hosting space anymore |
| 17:22.43 | lhirgi | kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you kde i hate you |
| 17:22.46 | dafen | now upgraded to gcc -4.0 solved it |
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| 17:22.52 | ke6isf | lhirgi: So use gnome. |
| 17:22.56 | dafen | but it warns me endless of time that gcc 4 is not stable |
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| 17:23.21 | Ronin | then dont use it lhirgi |
| 17:23.22 | beardy | lhirgi: don't fsking install or run it then. |
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| 17:23.25 | stew | dafen: neither of those are bugs |
| 17:23.34 | dafen | really?! |
| 17:23.38 | dafen | why I can't make modules? |
| 17:23.46 | cheal | charolastra: that's entirely possible |
| 17:23.49 | dafen | stew, |
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| 17:23.50 | whitehorse1 | dafen: Did you read the link ..? :/ |
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| 17:24.03 | yalu | grmbl building alsa-modules takes a long time |
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| 17:24.10 | Chris62vw | what's an easy way to update my kernel? apt-get install (new kernel)? |
| 17:24.16 | Chris62vw | I just want the latest 2.6ish one |
| 17:24.17 | dafen | make-kpkg modules_image, the ipw2200 can't be compiled |
| 17:24.21 | dafen | by gcc -3.3 |
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| 17:24.22 | cheal | Chris62vw: yes |
| 17:24.27 | whitehorse1 | It's a link to a mailing list thread between DDs not desktopenv related |
| 17:24.29 | stew | dafen: what does uname -r say? |
| 17:24.33 | Chris62vw | cheal, thanks, will do |
| 17:24.42 | stew | Chris62vw: what cpu? |
| 17:24.43 | dafen | 2.6.12 |
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| 17:24.55 | N0S3 | help!!.....i have debian 3.1 ....i need client ddns for external ip ! no eth0 and eth1 !! helpp!! |
| 17:25.01 | pslaney | Question: how do I upgrade to ubuntu from the recent debian release? |
| 17:25.03 | dafen | whitehorse1... show me the link |
| 17:25.04 | stew | dafen: you should recompile 2.6.12 with gcc-4.0 |
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| 17:25.10 | dafen | err?!! |
| 17:25.11 | beardy | pslaney: #ubuntu |
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| 17:25.17 | dafen | you meant I have to compile kernel with 4.0? |
| 17:25.17 | stew | dafen: is there a reason you are compiling the knerel yourself instead of just apt-getting one? |
| 17:25.20 | beardy | pslaney: And you don't. |
| 17:25.21 | dafen | but compile module with 3.3? |
| 17:25.22 | pslaney | beardy, I'm upgrading from debian |
| 17:25.23 | mxn | How can I find out what devices are associated to a loaded module? |
| 17:25.23 | Zvpun | whitehorse1: okay |
| 17:25.31 | stew | dafen: compile both with gcc-4.0 |
| 17:25.33 | Chris62vw | stew, p4 2.4 ghz |
| 17:25.37 | whitehorse1 | pslaney: Completely different distros. Like saying what do I need to fit to my Vauxhall Astra to make it a Peugeot. Try #ubuntu. |
| 17:25.38 | dafen | sure hell, I need a lot's of things to doen, thus I always compile kernel myself |
| 17:25.43 | dafen | stew the point is this: |
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| 17:25.46 | stew | Chris62vw: sarge or etch/sid? |
| 17:25.50 | dafen | I compiled my kernel with 3.3 no problem |
| 17:25.53 | N0S3 | stew: help!!.....i have debian 3.1 ....i need client ddns for external ip ! no eth0 and eth1 !! helpp!! |
| 17:25.53 | stew | dafen: why? |
| 17:25.54 | Chris62vw | stew, I looked through apt-cache search "kernel" and I wonder if I want to "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686" |
| 17:25.54 | beardy | pslaney: That's downgrading. And offtopic. |
| 17:25.57 | Chris62vw | stew, one sec please |
| 17:26.05 | dafen | and before, I can tooo compile ipw2200 modules with gcc 3.3 no problem |
| 17:26.08 | dafen | untill yesterday |
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| 17:26.14 | pslaney | whitehorse1, they said it can be done with synaptic, to talk to you all. |
| 17:26.15 | dafen | the ipw2200-source is upgraded |
| 17:26.17 | Chris62vw | stew, I forgot how to tell honestly :-) unstable I thought. or testing. one of the two |
| 17:26.18 | stew | dafen: why are you compiling at all? why not apt-get and m-a? |
| 17:26.27 | dafen | I can NO longer compile ipw2200 module with my gcc 3.3 |
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| 17:26.34 | stew | Chris62vw: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:26.36 | dafen | m-a is same as make-kpkg |
| 17:26.41 | stew | dafen: incorrect |
| 17:26.49 | dafen | at most degree the same |
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| 17:26.54 | Chris62vw | stew, aha. its testing/unstable |
| 17:26.54 | stew | nope |
| 17:26.56 | ke6isf | pslaney: Why would we know? To make it simpler, it's like converting a ford to a chevrolet. |
| 17:26.56 | charolastra | cheal: so is this viewed as a bug and warent a bugreport? |
| 17:26.58 | dafen | ok, tried m-a too |
| 17:27.01 | dafen | but same error |
| 17:27.02 | stew | Chris62vw: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 17:27.07 | whitehorse1 | pslaney: They're full of crap ;) Honestly, isn't wiping and starting over an option? It's easiest probably..? |
| 17:27.11 | Chris62vw | thanks stew, that was easy :-) |
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| 17:27.16 | N0S3 | Chris62vw : help!!.....i have debian 3.1 ....i need client ddns for external ip ! no eth0 and eth1 !! helpp!! |
| 17:27.18 | cheal | charolastra: what? |
| 17:27.18 | hakim | hello all |
| 17:27.19 | N0S3 | stew: help!!.....i have debian 3.1 ....i need client ddns for external ip ! no eth0 and eth1 !! helpp!! |
| 17:27.23 | pslaney | ke6isf you think that distros are really that different? they are both based off of debian arn't they? |
| 17:27.23 | Zvpun | whitehorse1: I mailed it to you. |
| 17:27.30 | ke6isf | !debian based |
| 17:27.30 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 17:27.31 | Gnea | !troll N0S3 |
| 17:27.32 | whitehorse1 | Zvpun: cool. gimme a coupla mins |
| 17:27.33 | Chris62vw | N0S3, ask the channel, not individuals. that way, everyone can help |
| 17:27.45 | charolastra | cheal: the dependencies which are not met because of the gcc switch and other things |
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| 17:27.47 | karsten | abrotman: Been busy, in a good way. |
| 17:27.57 | ke6isf | pslaney: Much like Ford and Chevy are internal combustion engine based. |
| 17:27.58 | N0S3 | Chris62vw sory |
| 17:27.58 | abrotman | karsten: is she cute? |
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| 17:28.02 | beardy | didnät there use to be a "bad car acronums" factoid? |
| 17:28.04 | galorin | I'm trying to configure Exim4 for use as an Internet Site mailserver, but am running into trouble. It's trying to do a DNS lookup for local deliveries, and failing |
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| 17:28.09 | karsten | abrotman: Very. |
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| 17:28.15 | abrotman | karsten: heh .. ok .. carry on |
| 17:28.17 | karsten | abrotman: ... and displays impeccable judgement. |
| 17:28.19 | stew | dafen: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686 ; reboot ; m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200 |
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| 17:28.22 | beardy | not acronyms, simillies, I mean.. |
| 17:28.24 | karsten | abrotman: ... won't have the least thing to do with me. |
| 17:28.30 | abrotman | karsten: uhm .. ok |
| 17:28.30 | cheal | charolastra: only in rare cases, and when it's not already done. |
| 17:28.31 | dafen | nono, I don't like stock kernels |
| 17:28.38 | N0S3 | help!!.....i have debian 3.1 ....i need client ddns for external ip ! no eth0 and eth1 !! helpp!! |
| 17:28.44 | stew | dafen: ok, then just recompile both with gcc-4.0 |
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| 17:28.58 | ke6isf | !tell N0S3 -about repeat |
| 17:28.58 | beardy | !tell N0S3 about ask |
| 17:29.00 | karsten | abrotman: Working busy, not playing busy :-| |
| 17:29.04 | beardy | !tell N0S3 about smart questions |
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| 17:29.06 | Gnea | N0S3: bah, shut up and and restate your question intelligently |
| 17:29.06 | dafen | I wonder what caused gcc 3.3 fail to compile the new ipw2200 |
| 17:29.13 | dafen | do you have any ideas , stew? |
| 17:29.13 | karsten | !tell beardy about beating me to the punch. |
| 17:29.18 | stew | dafen: yes |
| 17:29.22 | dafen | why? |
| 17:29.25 | hakim | bye all |
| 17:29.30 | ke6isf | Gnea: How sussinct. =^^= |
| 17:29.37 | ke6isf | s/sussinct/succinct |
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| 17:29.48 | ke6isf | bah, me can't spell or talk right this AM. |
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| 17:29.51 | Gnea | ke6isf: i have no patience for spammers. :) |
| 17:29.52 | N0S3 | Gnea why? |
| 17:29.56 | stew | dafen: i've given you several. i've told you what works on my machines, thats all i can do for you, sorry |
| 17:29.57 | Chris62vw | stew, here's one for you. I try doing "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and get "The following packages have unmet dependencies: hal: Depends: udev (>= 0.063) but 0.056-3 is installed". so I run 'apt-get -f install' like it suggests. then it says I need a more modern kernel to install udev. it does that when I try to install the more modern kernel though! any ideas? |
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| 17:30.16 | abrotman | karsten: that's no good! |
| 17:30.22 | ke6isf | N0S3: Because without knowing what's going on, we can't actually help you and we will grow increasingly annoyed with you. |
| 17:30.26 | Gnea | N0S3: that's the way it is, you follow channel protocol or you get booted. if you really need the help then you'll do it, otherwise you're just looking for trouble. |
| 17:30.28 | ab- | Is there a terminal service client for linux? |
| 17:30.30 | stew | Chris62vw: yes, udev requires 2.6.12 or better, /msg dpkg udev 2.6.12 |
| 17:30.38 | stew | ab-: rdesktop |
| 17:30.59 | beardy | ab-: terminal service? |
| 17:31.00 | N0S3 | ke6isf Gnea : ok im sorry |
| 17:31.11 | beardy | ab-: define/explain please |
| 17:31.12 | ab- | services* |
| 17:31.14 | Chris62vw | stew, thanks, I got that part. but udev won't install, and when I try to install the latest kernel, it tries to install udev too, and it can't because the latest kernel isn't on my machine... know what I mean? |
| 17:31.17 | ke6isf | N0S3: All we know is that you want ddns information. Why? What is the problem? What the hell is going on under the hood? Tell us and that gives us more data to work with beyond "HELP!". |
| 17:31.20 | N0S3 | ke6isf Gnea : i logout |
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| 17:31.30 | stew | Chris62vw: yes, that's why i told you to /msg dpkg udev 2.6.12 |
| 17:31.32 | Chris62vw | stew, oh, thanks, I'll read that |
| 17:31.34 | Chris62vw | got it :-) |
| 17:31.39 | ab- | beardy: ahh google terminal services? |
| 17:31.40 | whitehorse1 | Zvpun: You don't have character encoding packages for those languages installed. Did you install the ttfmsfont stuff originally? |
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| 17:32.03 | Chris62vw | sure an annoying problem |
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| 17:32.12 | stew | Chris62vw: yes, definately |
| 17:32.12 | whitehorse1 | Chris62vw: Do what I did |
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| 17:32.21 | whitehorse1 | Chris62vw: what's your uname -r firstly? |
| 17:32.23 | Gnea | ke6isf: problem solved, next. |
| 17:32.24 | Chris62vw | whitehorse1, install FreeBSD? I was close to doing that :-) |
| 17:32.30 | Chris62vw | whitehorse1, it is... |
| 17:32.37 | Chris62vw | 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 17:32.42 | cheal | whitehorse1: mysql support is in trac's roadmap. postgresql may be in 0.9 |
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| 17:32.50 | mxn | Is it possible to find out which devices are associated to a loaded module? |
| 17:32.52 | beardy | ab-: Ok. google terminal services debian client |
| 17:32.57 | Zvpun | whitehorse1: is that in contrib? I have only main. I asked for font packages. |
| 17:33.10 | simonrvn | it's in non-free |
| 17:33.11 | ke6isf | Gnea: Indeed. Maybe I'm too persistent for helping the luser help themselves - and the canned answers should say what I'm telling the luser anyway. =^^+ |
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| 17:33.52 | dafen | shall I remove libstdc++5 if I have already had libstdc++6 installed? |
| 17:33.53 | whitehorse1 | Chris62vw: Er no pinning/holding the two packages, uploading to 2-6-12 kernel BECAUSE UDEV REQUIRES A NEWER KERNEL THEN YOU HAVE then unpinning/holding them, rebooting etc |
| 17:33.59 | dafen | apt warned me it's an essential package |
| 17:34.03 | simonrvn | ke6isf: i try to do that too, in the hopes of stimulating thought, and not just with computers ;) |
| 17:34.22 | azeem | dafen: does it want to remove any important apps along with it? |
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| 17:34.35 | whitehorse1 | cheal: ty re trac :) |
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| 17:34.47 | dafen | a lot |
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| 17:34.51 | lhirgi | i have an important question for all those who use debian glp linux and are thinking of upgrading their operating system to windows XP if you try to connect through eth0 eth1 samba, how can you consider the possibility of remaining in top of secret communications with the connection ethernet linking to router and link two or more than one computer at the self time without losing bandwidth capabilities even without matching the requir |
| 17:34.56 | whitehorse1 | Chris62vw: Sorry, I know the kernel issue sucks. I moaned about it in here :D |
| 17:35.04 | Chris62vw | whitehorse1, thanks, I'll look into that solution too! |
| 17:35.06 | dafen | so I kinda doubt about it |
| 17:35.07 | Ronin | upgrading to xp? |
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| 17:35.19 | azeem | dafen: then don't |
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| 17:35.21 | ke6isf | debian to WinXP is an upgrade? That's like upgrading from a Harley to a Yugo. |
| 17:35.26 | simonrvn | installing win xp isn't a fucking upgrade, it's a downgrade from linux, bsd, etc. |
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| 17:35.32 | Ronin | i must have read that wrong |
| 17:35.53 | ke6isf | !troll lhirgi |
| 17:35.55 | Feyr-Wrk | dont feed the troll |
| 17:36.01 | beardy | lhirgi: That story contributes to nothing. |
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| 17:36.05 | cheal | let's just adjust our /ignore lists |
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| 17:36.06 | baikonur | hi |
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| 17:36.14 | cheal | !beer Feyr-Wrk |
| 17:36.21 | simonrvn | ./ignored |
| 17:36.22 | Feyr-Wrk | thanks |
| 17:36.23 | Zvpun | whitehorse1: are there fonts in main? |
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| 17:36.43 | beardy | *plonk* |
| 17:36.43 | whitehorse1 | Zvpun: Any objection to installing extra fonts btw? It's not hard (my experience level isn't high don't worry) though not a 2min job as such. And are you only willing to consider main? |
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| 17:36.59 | Gijs` | Going to windows is a choice not an down- or upgrade. |
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| 17:37.11 | Gijs` | You all should know of when to use a certain OS. |
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| 17:37.21 | abrotman | was that even a question? |
| 17:37.29 | beardy | Gijs`: Why continue? |
| 17:37.29 | Gnea | ke6isf: he was informed of howto accomplish what he wanted to do, he could not read english very well, so instead of getting him into trouble, i made it obvious that he was on the verge of getting banned, and he went somewhere where he's more likely to understand and be understood |
| 17:37.32 | Zvpun | whitehorse1: I would prefere main much more than contrib but I am still trying to find out where to get that ttfmsfont from |
| 17:37.43 | baikonur | does the locales mechanism in sid has changed? I have still the same locales configured but they seem to have no effect!? |
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| 17:38.02 | ke6isf | Gnea: Didn't pick up on the language bits, actually. |
| 17:38.04 | whitehorse1 | Zvpun: I'll give you some links, standby (actually the stuff's in Debian, it's just the links explain...) |
| 17:38.08 | ke6isf | !Gnea++ |
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| 17:38.19 | Gnea | ke6isf: #debian-es :) |
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| 17:38.56 | Chris62vw | stew, well, I downloaded the linux-image-2.6.12-1 .deb file and tried installing it using dpkg -i and then it asked for a depdency, module-init-tools. I downloaded it and it asks me for more dependencies. I don't know about this :-( |
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| 17:39.08 | Chris62vw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:39.26 | ke6isf | !tell Chris62vw -about spambots |
| 17:39.26 | beardy | what the fuck |
| 17:39.33 | beardy | oh |
| 17:39.39 | ke6isf | beardy: He's reporting spambot in channel. Film at eleven. |
| 17:39.39 | Chris62vw | sorry, I pasted it so you guys can ban the person |
| 17:39.40 | simonrvn | Chris62vw: use apt-get, that's what it's for... |
| 17:39.47 | abrotman | Chris62vw: he's gone already |
| 17:39.58 | Chris62vw | I saw. pasted too fast. thanks |
| 17:40.02 | joojee | I've got PAM_unix writing login/logout messages to the console -- how do I turn that off? |
| 17:40.15 | ke6isf | abrotman: The IP address is persistent though. Personally I recommend +b'ing the IP. |
| 17:40.18 | abrotman | fix your syslog |
| 17:40.18 | Ronin | Chris62vw: too many bots for them to ban them all |
| 17:40.23 | Chris62vw | simonrvn, yeah but it "wont work" because udev is holding it up |
| 17:40.25 | simonrvn | take the debug statements out of the pam.d files |
| 17:40.29 | abrotman | ke6isf: call ops .. or ask staff to kline |
| 17:40.33 | joojee | abrotman: was that for me? |
| 17:40.39 | simonrvn | joojee: take the debug statements out of the pam.d files |
| 17:40.40 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:40.41 | beardy | Chris62vw: If you do what dpkg told you, it will work very well to keep them away. |
| 17:40.46 | Chris62vw | Ronin, yeah I know. I'm an op in #perl and we get them once in a while. when I see them, I join #freenode and report, and then go back to what I'm doing |
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| 17:40.56 | Chris62vw | beardy, I'm not worried about them bothering me, thanks. |
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| 17:41.05 | joojee | simonrvn: thanks -- I'll take a look |
| 17:41.10 | K_Dallas | sorry for asking it, i have kind of forgot it. if i get the stable installed, would it be easy to make it testing? thanks |
| 17:41.12 | beardy | Chris62vw: You're not? |
| 17:41.22 | ke6isf | !ops IP address 81.215.238.182 is a persistent spambot, please ban |
| 17:41.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: IP address 81.215.238.182 is a persistent spambot, please ban |
| 17:41.25 | Chris62vw | beardy, not really. I dont want everyone else to be bothered :-) |
| 17:41.28 | beardy | Chris62vw: I had 30-40 /msgs when they started some time ago. |
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| 17:41.37 | Chris62vw | god damn that's a lot of msg's |
| 17:41.43 | Chris62vw | they must like #debian or something :-) |
| 17:41.45 | abrotman | Chris62vw: it was really really bad |
| 17:41.50 | whitehorse1 | Zvpun: Links! :D 1) http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ 2) http://tinyurl.com/c2pat 3) http://www.blankslate.net/linuxtype/add.php Additionally, consider installing the following packages: icu, libicu28, libicu21c102, libotf0, xfonts-efont-unicode, and xfonts-efont-unicode-ib |
| 17:41.53 | abrotman | Chris62vw: they targeted a few of the larger channels |
| 17:41.56 | Chris62vw | yeah, that would bother me... |
| 17:41.56 | chealer | !tell K_Dallas about stable->testing |
| 17:41.57 | LoRez | Chris62vw: they're targeting large channels |
| 17:41.58 | ke6isf | Chris62vw: Recommend following the spambot instructions that dpkg sent you. |
| 17:42.04 | pumpkin0 | k_dallas: just chance /etc/pat/soucres and run apt-get update /apt-get upgrade |
| 17:42.06 | K_Dallas | hanks chealer |
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| 17:42.11 | K_Dallas | thanks chealer |
| 17:42.12 | Chris62vw | #perl is pretty large but it never gets hit like that |
| 17:42.12 | Chris62vw | ke6isf, thanks |
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| 17:42.18 | K_Dallas | ok, now i remember :) thank you pumpkin0 |
| 17:42.18 | simonrvn | i remember one time i'd tried something, and when i came back from my slep, i had like 50+ windows open from various spam bots... like wow |
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| 17:42.30 | simonrvn | s/slep/sleep/ |
| 17:42.34 | Chris62vw | unfortunately I have to leave for now, with my kernel/udev problem unsolved. thanks guys, time for class... |
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| 17:42.52 | xiaogil | Is there a soft that can tell how similar (in percentage) are two images ? |
| 17:42.58 | ke6isf | Bah, how do I hail staff? |
| 17:43.00 | Zizou | hi...i just download centericq..but it doesnt let me connect msn...why is that? |
| 17:43.03 | whitehorse1 | Chris62vw: udev takes over from devs (more or less) so it's gonna have a reasonable number of dependencies; it's a large but by now made change |
| 17:43.08 | SuperSox | humm, when I try to run cu -l /dev/ttys0 (etc...) I get the following errors: Permission denied and Line in use |
| 17:43.12 | whitehorse1 | * devfs |
| 17:43.13 | Chris62vw | whitehorse1, thanks, will remember that |
| 17:43.16 | beardy | xiaogil: Perhaps, but percentage of what? |
| 17:43.19 | whitehorse1 | Chris62vw: cool, ciao |
| 17:43.26 | Chris62vw | whitehorse1, and thanks for all the help! |
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| 17:43.36 | SuperSox | does anyone have any suggestions as to what could be causing those errors? (minicom isn't reporting them but doesn't seem to be working either) |
| 17:44.01 | xiaogil | beardy: forget the percentage... i'm just trying to find such soft, do you know any ? |
| 17:44.07 | joojee | simonrvn: doesn't look like I've got any debugs in any of my /etc/pam.d/* files -- is that where you were talking about? |
| 17:44.19 | elephant | How can i know which character encoding is used on a server ? |
| 17:44.25 | Zugschlus | SuperSox: maybe a getty listening on that interface? |
| 17:44.26 | pumpkin0 | xiaogil: images as in jpg or as in iso ? |
| 17:44.35 | xiaogil | pumpkin0: jpg |
| 17:44.36 | whitehorse1 | Zizou: No idea. Gaim works for me to connect to MSN. Not saying I like Gaim and haven't used it a great deal. But it works. ICQ & MSN are two totally different networks. AIM/AOL own ICQ by the way not Microsoft. |
| 17:44.44 | ke6isf | xiaogil: Open 'em up in gimp or something. |
| 17:44.44 | beardy | xiaogil: No, sorry. Have you tried googling? |
| 17:44.49 | whitehorse1 | Zizou: So perhaps try that insteads |
| 17:45.09 | SuperSox | Zugschlus: humm, how would I check/kill that off? |
| 17:45.22 | Caelum | xiaogil: non-trivial, but there are things like that. Probably mostly expensive commercial stuff |
| 17:45.26 | xiaogil | ke6isf: i need a command line that can compare two jpg images to tell how close/similar they are |
| 17:45.39 | Zugschlus | SuperSox: if you didn't configure that willingly, things are unlikely to be like that |
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| 17:45.49 | Caelum | xiaogil: similar as in made from the same source image? |
| 17:45.56 | Zizou | whitehorse1:i do use GAIM too...the thing is that i was looking for a text mode program that allow me to do the same |
| 17:46.10 | pumpkin0 | xiaogil: there are image dupes finder in linux. Their code should be hackable to do that... |
| 17:46.23 | SuperSox | Zugschlus: humm.... nope then... is it liable to be something kernel related? I'm just using a stock image, do they have serial support disabled by default perhaps? |
| 17:46.32 | Zugschlus | no |
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| 17:46.57 | Zizou | whitehorse1: centericq has the msn protocol...but i dont know why it doesnt connect... |
| 17:46.58 | aitor | hi |
| 17:47.03 | aitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.12 | _lo | any1 had xchat segfault after apt-get upgrade several days ago in sarge? |
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| 17:47.24 | whitehorse1 | Zizou: http://wiki.debian.net/?WinAppEquivalents < glance at msn section |
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| 17:47.41 | Zizou | whitehorse1: let me check |
| 17:47.46 | poe-t | yo |
| 17:47.56 | aitor | or to achieve same output with differente command(s)= |
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| 17:47.57 | aitor | ? |
| 17:47.57 | whitehorse1 | I installed xchat only yesterday without any probs. Though I'm using etch not Sarge so that might affect things |
| 17:47.57 | caphuso | aitor: use find for that |
| 17:48.00 | simonrvn | no, i did have it not open windows and spit out weird messages about it thinking each message was garbage, and looked like a telnetted IRC connection |
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| 17:48.03 | pumpkin0 | xiaogil: do yu speak geran: http://gilsonlaurent.tripod.com/doublefinder.html |
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| 17:48.07 | aitor | thanks caphuso |
| 17:48.11 | sami | oh no |
| 17:48.16 | sami | I have problems with locales |
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| 17:48.23 | SuperSox | humm, now it seems to be working, how rare |
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| 17:48.25 | sami | in etch |
| 17:48.33 | elephant | How can i know which character encoding is used on a server ? |
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| 17:48.38 | poe-t | sami, what kind of problems? |
| 17:48.43 | sami | every program says this: http://pastebin.ca/24209 |
| 17:48.44 | elephant | I mean fr_FR@euro-UTF-8 |
| 17:48.48 | mxn | Hi. I'm using the 2.6.13.2 kernel, and I believe there's a problem with the sbp2 module/SCSI stuff. Anyone heard of this? |
| 17:48.52 | elephant | or fr_fr-ISO.... |
| 17:48.54 | sami | And some programs doesn't work at all |
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| 17:49.14 | jethro | elephant: /etc/environment |
| 17:49.32 | Emu_ | hi everyone, how do i stop fetchmail/apt-get from complaining about 'fetchmail: no mailservers have been specified.' when I {,un}install packages? |
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| 17:49.42 | whitehorse1 | elephant: does the tcs (python package) assist at all? shouldn't the ico (unicode) stuff handle things? |
| 17:49.44 | elephant | jethro: but it just say "fr_FR@euro" not if its UTF or ISO |
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| 17:50.04 | sami | just put UTF-8 |
| 17:50.05 | _lo | whitehorse1: tks :-) |
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| 17:50.11 | lhirgi | what desktop is the best recommending "KDE" or "GNOME" |
| 17:50.15 | lhirgi | what desktop is the best recommending "KDE" or "GNOME"? |
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| 17:50.38 | SuperSox | lhirgi: that wholey depends on your needs and system spec :) |
| 17:50.40 | Emu_ | lhirgi, enlightenment |
| 17:50.41 | bisquit | lhirgi, Depends on personal preference, I think. |
| 17:51.05 | chealer | !sarge->etch |
| 17:51.05 | whitehorse1 | lhirgi: KDE in my opinion . ;D |
| 17:51.09 | Emu_ | lhirgi, dr17 of course |
| 17:51.09 | jethro | elephant: fr_FR@euro is iso8859-15 |
| 17:51.10 | whitehorse1 | lhirgi: However, |
| 17:51.21 | SuperSox | lhirgi: personally I use IceWM and XFCE4... I think KDE is very user friendly if your system will support it |
| 17:51.23 | Caelum | lhirgi: full screen rxvts |
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| 17:51.28 | chealer | dpkg: sarge->etch? |
| 17:51.28 | dpkg | Sarge too old for you ALREADY? Change 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch' or 'testing' and remove the security.debian.org line in your /etc/apt/sources.list file, then run aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade. Enjoy. |
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| 17:51.41 | chealer | dpkg: stable->testing? |
| 17:51.41 | dpkg | [stable->testing] edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'testing' (but comment out security.debian.org's line). Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Two important things: testing gets NO security updates. Deal, or go home. Secondly, you MUST subscribe to d-d-a (/msg dpkg d-d-a) or I will come and pour hot grits down your pants. |
| 17:51.43 | whitehorse1 | lhirgi: Those that come from Mac's may prefer Gnome. Those that come from MSWin based environments may prefer KDE. Tomahto Tomayto |
| 17:51.57 | blah123 | greetings, I just installed debian, I have a SMC2802W wireless card. |
| 17:51.58 | pumpkin0 | lhirgi: Dont ask this question, it usually ends in a loooonnnngggg discussion |
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| 17:52.16 | EdgEy | whitehorse id actually say that the other way around |
| 17:52.23 | sami | lhirgi: If you want a Windows-like full desktop environment with many programs and you don't need very much of speed or have a very old computer, put KDE (or gnome) |
| 17:52.24 | simonrvn | oh shush up people, stop feeding the dufus and get on with your lives |
| 17:52.29 | Caelum | you know it's out of date if it talks about hot grits down pants |
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| 17:52.33 | EdgEy | KDE is "pretty" like osx, gnome is more windowsish :) |
| 17:52.36 | bisquit | Hello everyone, again. I was wondering how I could start X in a "dumb" mode, with no keyb&mouse? (I have a wall-mounted TFT on my #2 grapic card, and I'd like it to show my browser in full-screen mode from @reboot to ad infinitum, preferredly even without a console-iniated log in..) |
| 17:52.44 | chealer | dpkg: no, stable->testing is <reply> Sarge too old for you already? Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'testing', and replace the security.debian.org line by a testing security line (ask me about testing security). Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then subscribe to d-d-a (/msg dpkg d-d-a) or I will come and pour hot grits down your pants. |
| 17:52.45 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
| 17:52.48 | xiaogil | pumpkin0: it looks to be what i need, thanx |
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| 17:53.03 | blah123 | it uses the prism duette driver. I selected it ont he list when installing, yet it fails to load firmware. I did install with the 2.6 kernel which from reading is suppose to have the firmware built in |
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| 17:53.14 | bisquit | Or well, any other reasonable solution would be welcome as well. :P (It'll be like a 24/7 news chan, directly from the web..) |
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| 17:53.18 | blah123 | but its failing to load the firmware because the directory its looking for doesn't exist |
| 17:53.19 | chealer | dpkg: no, sarge->etch is <reply> see stable->testing |
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| 17:53.20 | dpkg | okay, chealer |
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| 17:53.21 | pmoroney | does anyone know how to fix the mouse bug with sarge on a x86 box? |
| 17:53.21 | sami | Can't anyone help me with my locale problem? Programs say http://pastebin.ca/24209 |
| 17:53.23 | blah123 | can anyone help me? |
| 17:53.30 | whitehorse1 | EdgEy: Disagree having used both and preferring KDE but agrees with the tenet it's best to adopt a Monty Python voice & shout run away then deal with the desktopenv can o' worms ;) |
| 17:53.30 | Caelum | bisquit: take out the keyboard and mouse from the XF86Config-4? |
| 17:53.31 | xiaogil | is there an alternative to Google Earth on Linux ? |
| 17:53.33 | SuperSox | doesn't appear to be working though :'( |
| 17:53.38 | chealer | pmoroney, which mouse bug? |
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| 17:54.02 | blah123 | lspci does see the card |
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| 17:54.06 | bisquit | Caelum, that simple? :) The question is, it'll still start after that? |
| 17:54.11 | simonrvn | ravenbird: no stable->testing is <reply>Sarge too old for you already? Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'testing', and replace the security.debian.org line by a testing security line (ask me about testing security). Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then subscribe to d-d-a (/msg dpkg d-d-a) |
| 17:54.13 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
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| 17:54.24 | pmoroney | chealer: using kde or wmaker, the mouse just freezes |
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| 17:54.29 | simonrvn | ravenbird: no stable->testing is <reply>Sarge too old for you already? Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'testing', and replace the security.debian.org line by a testing security line (ask me about testing sei know it's not complete, gimme a min |
| 17:54.30 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
| 17:54.32 | mxn | If lsmod reports a module is being used, but doesn't say by what, how can I find out so that I can unload it? |
| 17:54.40 | simonrvn | ravenbird: no stable->testing is <reply>Sarge too old for you already? Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'testing', and replace the security.debian.org line by a testing security line (ask me about testing security). Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then subscribe to d-d-a (/msg dpkg d-d-a) |
| 17:54.40 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
| 17:54.41 | blah123 | am I wrong that the 2.6 kernel in debian sarge doesn't have the firmware built in? |
| 17:54.44 | simonrvn | sorry :( |
| 17:54.52 | TML | ke6isf: Did someone take care of that ban yet? |
| 17:55.01 | whitehorse1 | sami yep, reconfiguring for you to do - 1sec |
| 17:55.04 | pumpkin0 | pmoroney: USB-mouse ? BIOS updated ? Athlon 64 X2 ? |
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| 17:55.45 | blah123 | anyone? |
| 17:55.49 | simonrvn | ravenbird: stable->testing =~ s/dpkg d-d-a)/ravenbird d-d-a) or I will come and pour hot grits down your pants. |
| 17:55.49 | ravenbird | You are moron #1, simonrvn |
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| 17:55.55 | sami | whitehorse1: dpkg-reconfigure just prints that pastebin text and does nothing |
| 17:55.55 | simonrvn | ravenbird: stable->testing =~ s/dpkg d-d-a)/ravenbird d-d-a) or I will come and pour hot grits down your pants./ |
| 17:55.56 | ravenbird | OK, simonrvn |
| 17:55.56 | pmoroney | regular ps2 mouse, ibm PIII machine, was working fine until the latest apt-get update / upgrade |
| 17:55.58 | sami | iut doesnt work |
| 17:56.12 | pmoroney | googled the subject -seems to be a common problem |
| 17:56.26 | whitehorse1 | sami: No, I meant THIS: dpkg--reconfigure localization-config ...Have I confused the order of that? Can someone double-check my syntax there for him please? |
| 17:56.28 | pumpkin0 | pmoroney: which kernel is installed ? Does the mouse move at all ? |
| 17:56.34 | Caelum | woops, wrong button. Whoever asked the second X thing, is the second screen on the same video card or a different one? |
| 17:56.38 | stew | blah123: that is correct. no version of the linux kernel contains the firmware |
| 17:56.41 | sami | whitehorse1: Okey I try |
| 17:56.45 | blah123 | ahh |
| 17:56.47 | whitehorse1 | sami: hold on |
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| 17:56.52 | blah123 | so I have to search for the firmware |
| 17:56.55 | stew | yes |
| 17:57.09 | pmoroney | pumpkin0: 2.4 kernel, moves very briefly then freezes - have to kill x with keyboard |
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| 17:57.13 | blah123 | when I did a search for it a bunch of websites say that the 2.6 version of kernel contains the drivers |
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| 17:57.44 | masterOfData | sami: I think it's dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:58.00 | sami | dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work because of this problem |
| 17:58.10 | stew | blah123: yes the 2.6 kenrel contains the drivers (as you can tell since they are trying ot load firmware) |
| 17:58.16 | whitehorse1 | sami: check to see if anyone points out the command should be written slightly differently. Actually, better still ..(!) do you use a desktopenv like KDE? If so kdemenu>>debian>>system>>admin>>Configure Debian and then just insert the root password & choose the admin menu that appears. easyish from then on |
| 17:58.23 | blah123 | stew ahh gotcha |
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| 17:58.36 | sami | I don't have X on the box where I have the problem :/ |
| 17:58.40 | stew | blah123: the firmware is closedsource and therefore cannot be distributed with the kenrel |
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| 17:58.44 | blah123 | how do you convert arm files into the actual firmware? |
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| 17:59.02 | pmoroney | pumpkin0: kernel 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 17:59.03 | whitehorse1 | sami aH ok |
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| 17:59.31 | pumpkin0 | pmoroney: does the rest of X continue to work ? |
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| 17:59.50 | blah123 | do I just rename the arm file to the name of the firmware? |
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| 18:00.06 | masterOfData | sami: since when do you have this problem? |
| 18:00.09 | pmoroney | pumpkin0: yes - keyboard still functional - just no mouse - which kind of stinks |
| 18:00.16 | sami | masterOfData: When I updated from sarge to etch |
| 18:00.19 | sami | Today |
| 18:00.22 | sami | 30 mins ago |
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| 18:00.49 | pumpkin0 | pmoroney: strange, very very strange. wait 1 sec ... |
| 18:00.52 | masterOfData | sami: Did you reboot since then? This is a weird problem... |
| 18:01.00 | chealer | pmoroney, perhaps try 2.6 |
| 18:01.01 | sami | Yes I rebooted |
| 18:01.03 | Caelum | pmoroney: usb mouse? do you have gpm installed? |
| 18:01.10 | whitehorse1 | Sami well, it's in the debian reference (if you had x up and the dwww stuff etc was installed it'd be at file:///usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-l10n |
| 18:01.30 | pmoroney | caelum: no regular ps2 mouse - gpm running |
| 18:01.36 | stew | blah123: i believe so, yes |
| 18:01.43 | pumpkin0 | pmoroney: deinstall gpm. now |
| 18:01.52 | Caelum | pmoroney: are you using repeater mode of gpm then? (if you want to keep it) |
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| 18:02.02 | pmoroney | chealer: I thought about 2.6 - just that it used to work |
| 18:02.20 | Caelum | with a ps/2 mouse, you have to use gpm's repeater mode to have mouse both in console and X |
| 18:02.22 | mxn | If a loaded kernel module says it's being used, must it be used by another module? |
| 18:02.25 | whitehorse1 | sami have you tried dpkg-reconfigure locales ? (or apt-get install locales if not already installed) |
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| 18:02.36 | pmoroney | pumpkin0: so uninstall or not as per Caelum |
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| 18:02.58 | sami | whitehorse1: Well dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work because of this problem. |
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| 18:03.09 | sami | I uninstalled locales and installed it again with wget and dpkg |
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| 18:03.13 | Caelum | pmoroney: check /etc/gpm.conf and /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to see if repeat_type is set, and X is using /dev/gpmdata to use the repeater device, if going that route |
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| 18:03.33 | masterOfData | sami: Hmm...no clue. |
| 18:03.43 | pumpkin0 | pmoroney: gpm is a constant problem. It's not really X compatible. the repeater mode usually works, but ... |
| 18:03.58 | pmoroney | caelum: I'm pretty sure X isn't using gpmdata at the moment. |
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| 18:04.34 | pmoroney | caelum: I would suspect it'd use them in the InputDevices section when has a generic mouse at /dev/input/mouse and configured mouse at /dev/psaux |
| 18:04.39 | abrotman | sami: did you try running locale-gen ? |
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| 18:04.43 | secureboot | any good pointers out there on how to dual-boot a mac with debian? |
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| 18:04.48 | pmoroney | caelum: So /etc/gpm.conf is probably a good place to start. Let me look. |
| 18:04.53 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 18:04.53 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 18:04.53 | sami | abrotman: No i havenät |
| 18:05.00 | thingfish | secureboot: see #debian-ppc |
| 18:05.07 | stew | thingfish: s/-// |
| 18:05.14 | pmoroney | caelum: I don't have an /etc/gpm.conf? |
| 18:05.14 | videoWMV3 | do you know of any VLC .deb packaged with WMV3 viewing compiled in? |
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| 18:05.20 | thingfish | ah, thanks stew |
| 18:05.30 | abrotman | sami: and check /etc/locale.gen |
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| 18:05.46 | abrotman | !tell videoWMV3 about marillat |
| 18:05.48 | sami | there is locale.gen |
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| 18:06.03 | thingfish | secureboot: see #debianppc |
| 18:06.22 | simonrvn | see installation guide |
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| 18:06.37 | videoWMV3 | abrotman: sorry, but the standard official VLC doesn't support WMV3, that's why I am asking |
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| 18:06.52 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:06.53 | stew | abrotman: marillat doesn't supply vlc |
| 18:07.23 | pmoroney | caleun: check that no gpm running |
| 18:07.23 | Anthro | stew: But marillat does supply the win32codes. |
| 18:07.24 | abrotman | he should damn it! |
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| 18:07.38 | stew | Anthro: which has nothing to do with his question |
| 18:08.02 | Anthro | stew: Can VLC view WMV3 without the win32codecs? |
| 18:08.11 | sami | Uhmm I've got two broken packages on my system. at and hal. :F |
| 18:08.12 | stew | Anthro: well not nothing, but if he doesn't supply vlc, he certainly doens't supply vlc with [xxxx] compliled in |
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| 18:08.17 | pmoroney | pumpkin0: no gpm running - running on a different box |
| 18:08.22 | stew | Anthro: no |
| 18:08.31 | abrotman | then does it answer his question? |
| 18:08.38 | abrotman | stew: damn sox! |
| 18:08.41 | Anthro | stew: So it's one piece of the puzzle. |
| 18:08.43 | lhirgi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.49 | stew | huh? |
| 18:08.49 | Caelum | pmoroney: so you don't have gpm then. Is the mouse device you're using correct? |
| 18:08.52 | abrotman | stew: how crappy was that game? |
| 18:09.00 | Zvpun | if I install a font package, do I have to restart the application (in my case firefox) or login again? |
| 18:09.18 | simonrvn | maybe, no |
| 18:09.27 | pumpkin0 | zvpun: restart X to be sure. |
| 18:09.28 | simonrvn | s/maybe/depends/ |
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| 18:09.41 | masterOfData | sami: I also had the problem with hal...but I solved it after a few apt-get upgrade, apt-get -f install etc. |
| 18:09.50 | stew | abrotman: it was crappy |
| 18:09.57 | stew | abrotman: the really better win tonight |
| 18:09.58 | videoWMV3 | there is a WMV3 (or V9 depends on the source) decription in http://nanocrew.net/ but there is no .deb offered |
| 18:09.58 | sami | lhirgi: To know which one is better, try both! |
| 18:10.13 | Anthro | videoWMV3: Meh, use xine |
| 18:10.28 | videoWMV3 | Anthro: xine doesn't work neither with WMV3 |
| 18:10.41 | Anthro | videoWMV3: It does if you have the win32codecs installed. |
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| 18:10.59 | videoWMV3 | WMV3 is heavily patented and the guy http://nanocrew.net/ has decoded it |
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| 18:11.41 | pmoroney | Caelum: looking at the log, I get open /dev/input/mice - Generic Mouse: cannot open input device UnloadModule: "mouse" |
| 18:11.52 | masterOfData | sami: My problem with hal was connected to an issue with "udev". |
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| 18:12.08 | simonrvn | i hate this: whenever some new version of flash, wmp, or realplayer comes out, you get ever more people using those as web site gadgets, instead of sticking to open formats (yes i know flash is open-spec'ed, but the editors aren't) |
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| 18:12.18 | Caelum | pmoroney: do you have a /dev/input/mice? do you have the modules mousedev and input loaded? |
| 18:12.21 | tummyacid | can anyone here PLEASE tell me why i write to my USB memory stick and the files are all ther, but if i remove it and plug it in again the folders remain but no files are in it? im getting desperate my school project is due in a matter of hours and i cannot get all the pics ive found onto the machine with a printer |
| 18:12.31 | sami | hmm udev package doesn't install clearly |
| 18:12.39 | sami | that may be THE problem |
| 18:12.46 | pmoroney | Caelum: I've run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 several times; looked at the config file, same as a box at work that works fine - mystery |
| 18:12.47 | stew | sami: what version of udev / debian? |
| 18:12.48 | pumpkin0 | tummyacid: run sync and umount |
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| 18:12.59 | tummyacid | ok |
| 18:13.06 | chealer | videoWMV3, marillat has "non-standard" stuff |
| 18:13.10 | Gathond | tummyacid: you dont unmount the device before taking it out so the stuff are still in the kernels buffer? |
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| 18:13.20 | masterOfData | sami: Try apt-get remove udev hal gnome-volume-manager and then reinstall these packages |
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| 18:13.21 | pmoroney | Caelum: looking for mousedev & input |
| 18:13.36 | sami | masterOfData: I'm doing that ;) |
| 18:13.47 | Caelum | pmoroney: look in lsmod, load with modprobe |
| 18:13.48 | masterOfData | sami: Good luck! |
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| 18:13.56 | mcgreg | anyone here using xchat from unstable? does it work properly fo you? |
| 18:14.04 | sami | edev didn't install clearly because there was /etc/dev.d/net/hotplug.dev on way :S |
| 18:14.06 | CoryK | is it possible to drop to a shell from the install program? or should i have chosen expert installation... |
| 18:14.09 | simonrvn | FILE A BUG REPORT |
| 18:14.14 | Zvpun | if a font package (e.g. xfonts-intl-european) includes ISO 8859-X fonts is it of use if I use Unicode or can I remove it safely? |
| 18:14.15 | chealer | !tell mcgreg about bts |
| 18:14.23 | simonrvn | AN IRC CHANNEL ISN'T THE BTS |
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| 18:14.37 | Gathond | CoryK: just change to tty2 iirc |
| 18:14.40 | pumpkin0 | coryk: try ctrl-alt-F2.... |
| 18:14.46 | pmoroney | Caelum: input loaded; mousedev not loaded |
| 18:14.57 | simonrvn | alt-f2 |
| 18:15.11 | simonrvn | ctrl-alt is only relevant to x usually |
| 18:15.20 | Caelum | pmoroney: modprobe mousedev, restart X |
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| 18:15.25 | tummyacid | how do i use umount? should i umount /media/usbdisk |
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| 18:15.27 | tummyacid | ? |
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| 18:15.36 | sami | simonrvn: But ctrl-alt-fX works too in tty's! ;) |
| 18:15.39 | azeem | tummyacid: did you try that? |
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| 18:15.44 | tummyacid | yes i did |
| 18:15.45 | CoryK | hmmm |
| 18:15.48 | azeem | tummyacid: and? |
| 18:15.48 | sami | But pressing ctrl isn't needed (as you know) |
| 18:15.57 | pmoroney | Caelum: will do thanks |
| 18:15.59 | tummyacid | it said i was not root and that /media/usbdisk is not in fstab |
| 18:16.02 | simonrvn | sami; up |
| 18:16.02 | CoryK | i have a pcmcia network card, how would i get it to load... |
| 18:16.06 | simonrvn | er, yup |
| 18:16.07 | azeem | tummyacid: that's accurate |
| 18:16.12 | azeem | tummyacid: how did you mount it? |
| 18:16.25 | tummyacid | it mounts itself when i put the stick into a usb slot |
| 18:16.28 | pumpkin0 | tummyacid: become root and try again |
| 18:16.29 | CoryK | do i need the net-drivers disk? |
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| 18:16.37 | Caelum | CoryK: when you plug it in, do the lights come on? do you see it in ifconfig? |
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| 18:16.39 | azeem | tummyacid: what desktop environment are you using? |
| 18:16.50 | CoryK | neither |
| 18:16.56 | tummyacid | im in gnome |
| 18:16.59 | CoryK | actually let me try plugging it in |
| 18:17.02 | tummyacid | as root it says the device is busy |
| 18:17.04 | tarzeau | hi azeem |
| 18:17.05 | CoryK | i usually just leave it in |
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| 18:17.10 | tummyacid | also using sarge kernel 2.6 |
| 18:17.11 | simonrvn | sami: i mention it because you might encounter a *nix that isn't so forgiving with vt switching key combos ;) |
| 18:17.19 | Zvpun | if a font package (e.g. xfonts-intl-european) includes ISO 8859-X fonts is it of use if I use Unicode or can I remove it safely? |
| 18:17.20 | Caelum | CoryK: oh, on install. If it's a common chip that can use a regular net module, it might just work |
| 18:17.20 | azeem | tummyacid: the device icon should have a 'Unmount volume' entry in the pop-up menu |
| 18:17.36 | azeem | s/pop-up/context/ |
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| 18:17.39 | azeem | tarzeau: hi |
| 18:17.54 | tummyacid | checking... |
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| 18:18.04 | CoryK | it apparently uses realtek or something like that... |
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| 18:18.28 | Caelum | ehh, then modprobe rtl8139 or whatever that was |
| 18:18.40 | Caelum | might be on there |
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| 18:19.04 | baikonur | how can I set "xset b off" permanently? |
| 18:19.07 | adraigh | howdy guys |
| 18:19.18 | simonrvn | Zvpun: i'd keep some iso-8859-X fonts as you'll need a fallback for some apps |
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| 18:19.29 | adraigh | I have a little question |
| 18:19.31 | adraigh | :-) |
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| 18:19.36 | Caelum | baikonur: put it in whatever startup script your DE or WM uses |
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| 18:19.40 | marculix | baikonur: edit .xinitrc |
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| 18:19.55 | pumpkin0 | adraigh: just ask,... |
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| 18:19.59 | Zvpun | simonrvn: fair enough |
| 18:20.01 | tummyacid | when trying to 'unmount volumn' it says device busy |
| 18:20.09 | Zvpun | simonrvn: but unicode doesnt touch them? |
| 18:20.25 | abrotman | stew: agreed .. or i'll abandon the sox forever! |
| 18:20.31 | Anthro | tummyacid: You are in the mounted directory. Get out of it. |
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| 18:20.40 | stew | abrotman: fair weather fan, huh? |
| 18:20.55 | tarzeau | baikonur: in .xsession |
| 18:21.04 | abrotman | stew: no .. i'm joking .. it was supposed to be like people were saying all these years. |
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| 18:21.07 | adraigh | I get system sounds fine, but I cant listen to a CD.... any ideas? onboard Realtek audio on a Via Chipset Motherboard |
| 18:21.12 | CervAnteZ | hi all |
| 18:21.12 | Caelum | assuming you use an .xsession |
| 18:21.14 | abrotman | stew: i've been a sox fan since i was about 7 |
| 18:21.19 | stew | abrotman: yeah i know :) |
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| 18:21.28 | simonrvn | Zvpun: nah. the app might though, depending on if it finds a needed symbol |
| 18:21.30 | jjazz | abrotman: That's right, come over to the pinstripes. |
| 18:21.31 | Caelum | adjacent: check alsamixer |
| 18:21.32 | abrotman | bah .. stupid cygwin |
| 18:21.33 | tarzeau | adraigh: using what software to listen to it? |
| 18:21.38 | abrotman | jjazz: cheaters? .. no thanks |
| 18:21.42 | simonrvn | Zvpun: ...in that (set of) font |
| 18:21.44 | jjazz | abrotman: cheaters? |
| 18:21.44 | simonrvn | s |
| 18:21.45 | adjacent | hmm. what? |
| 18:21.49 | simonrvn | eh |
| 18:21.49 | adraigh | KsCD |
| 18:21.54 | simonrvn | @kill my typist |
| 18:21.57 | adjacent | alsamixer works great! |
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| 18:21.58 | CoryK | i have the net-drivers disk... |
| 18:22.02 | abrotman | jjazz: try to deny a-rod didn't swat the ball out of his hand last year .. just try it! |
| 18:22.04 | CoryK | would it possibly be on there... |
| 18:22.04 | CervAnteZ | some dot-file in my home directory seems to overrule my /etc/enviroment and /etc/profile, does anyone in here know what files i have to look for? |
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| 18:22.33 | stew | abrotman: who cares |
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| 18:22.37 | Zvpun | what does defoma do and what is the purpose of x-ttcidfont-conf? |
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| 18:22.40 | tummyacid | ok ive closed all my open shells and processes and it still says the device is busy |
| 18:22.45 | tummyacid | do i ahve to reboot or soemthing? |
| 18:22.45 | abrotman | stew: that's right .. sox don't make the playoffs .. there was no season :) |
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| 18:22.52 | jjazz | abrotman: I don't deny it. I wouldn't call it cheating. It was a stupid, classless play, but like any other play on the field, it was a rule violation that was dealt with. |
| 18:23.03 | pumpkin0 | tummyacid: close X and try from console |
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| 18:23.05 | abrotman | jjazz: rule violation = attempted cheating :) |
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| 18:23.15 | CoryK | tummyacid did you try lsof? (is lsof included in debain?) |
| 18:23.20 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:23.21 | abrotman | and is fuser |
| 18:23.22 | Caelum | adjacent: oops wrong nick sorry :) |
| 18:23.23 | stew | if you're not trying to cheat, you're not trying to win |
| 18:23.28 | jjazz | abrotman: it's against the rules to run ouside the base paths. That doesn't make running outside the paths cheating. |
| 18:23.37 | tummyacid | but the only way ive found to unmount it is to right click on the drive and go to 'unmount ' |
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| 18:23.42 | abrotman | jjazz: so .. if you don't break the rules .. you're .. a schmuck ? |
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| 18:23.50 | Caelum | CoryK: could be |
| 18:24.00 | CoryK | hmmm |
| 18:24.07 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 18:24.07 | dpkg | <morning> telnet have any recent vulns? |
| 18:24.08 | jjazz | abrotman: Well, if you never step over the line, I'd say you're not dancing close enough to it. |
| 18:24.19 | pumpkin0 | tummyacid: umount as root with umount /path-to-your-drive. And testrun lsof | grep /path-to-your-usb-stick |
| 18:24.27 | tummyacid | lsof gives a lot of info, i grepped it for 'usb' and ive got a bunch of permission errors |
| 18:24.27 | abrotman | jjazz: dunno .. i think there's playing the game .. and flat out trying to cheat |
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| 18:24.45 | CoryK | there is a pcmcia-modules-somenumbers-then.udeb file on the disk, how would i go about loading them? |
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| 18:24.48 | pumpkin0 | tummyacid: execute these things as root. |
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| 18:24.50 | Caelum | tummyacid: run lsof as root |
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| 18:25.08 | stew | abrotman: if i were a yankees fan, i think i'd be pissed if he didn't at all try to knock the ball out. but thats probably the soccer player in me. he should have just been less obvious about it |
| 18:25.20 | jjazz | abrotman: It was a boneheaded play. He reacted poorly to it. But in my mind, it didn't rise to the level of cheating. It was interference. It happens all the time, like taking out a guy at 2nd on a dp. |
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| 18:25.23 | Caelum | CoryK: ehh, nothing in the menus? |
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| 18:25.29 | Zambba | i'm sami ^^ |
| 18:25.32 | Zambba | locales work :) |
| 18:25.35 | CoryK | oh no idea |
| 18:25.37 | CoryK | heh |
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| 18:25.49 | jjazz | stew: He should have put his shoulder into it instead of slapping at the ball. It was a dumb reaction in a moment of panic. |
| 18:25.52 | CoryK | i just wanted to try getting the network up before i nuke my obsd install |
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| 18:26.03 | mtnman | coryk: tried modconf? |
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| 18:26.10 | abrotman | jjazz: but taking the guy out isn't against the rules :) |
| 18:26.19 | adraigh | I think I missed something.... can anyone help me get sound to work. I get system sound, but no CD sound using KsCD |
| 18:26.26 | abrotman | neither is taking out the catcher blocking home plaet |
| 18:26.27 | abrotman | plate |
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| 18:26.32 | rosco | hi |
| 18:26.49 | jjazz | abrotman: True, which is why JoPo doesn't block the dish. |
| 18:27.01 | mtnman | adraigh: tried setting levels with a mixer? |
| 18:27.03 | abrotman | jjazz: or because he's a wussy! :) |
| 18:27.09 | stew | abrotman: when a pitcher gets accused of a balk, was he cheating? |
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| 18:27.22 | jjazz | abrotman: Dude got his leg broke blocking the plate. I'd be gun-shy too. |
| 18:27.22 | adraigh | nope, will try now |
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| 18:27.30 | abrotman | stew: it's against the rules .. some are intentinonal .. some are not .. it's still against the rules |
| 18:27.44 | CoryK | k i have a light on my card, but it's not showing up in ifconfig |
| 18:27.45 | rosco | I would like to build a debian server but I have doubts about which MB is supported specially if the SATAport are correctly recognized (I already had bad surprises). Do you know a typical well supported MB for debian ? |
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| 18:27.48 | abrotman | jjazz: yes .. but he did cohose to be a catcher |
| 18:27.51 | jjazz | abrotman: So is intentional hbp. But intentional hbp isn't cheating. |
| 18:27.53 | mtnman | coryk: ifconfig -a |
| 18:28.08 | adraigh | mtnman: mixer is showing CD volume is up |
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| 18:28.15 | lhirgi | LINUX or MAC INTOSH: Witch operating system is the best? |
| 18:28.19 | Phr0zenKore_ | i have very low FPS :( |
| 18:28.25 | abrotman | jjazz: but the team gets penalized .. with a base on balls .. and sometimes the ejection of the pitcher .. and possible retaliation against his teammates |
| 18:28.28 | Phr0zenKore_ | DRI works, but with low FPS |
| 18:28.29 | CoryK | i just get lo |
| 18:28.35 | jjazz | lhirgi: I'd go with INTOSH. I hear it's the bestest! |
| 18:28.39 | thingfish | !torture lhirgi |
| 18:28.41 | mtnman | adraigh: how are you trying to play the cd? |
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| 18:28.52 | abrotman | isn't lhirgi the XP guy? |
| 18:28.56 | thingfish | yes |
| 18:28.56 | adraigh | with KsCD |
| 18:28.58 | jjazz | abrotman: Right. And ARod got called out and Jeter lost a base. |
| 18:28.59 | mtnman | coryk: have you loaded pcmcia-modules yet? |
| 18:29.00 | Caelum | lhirgi: macOS 6 of course |
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| 18:29.07 | adraigh | mtnman: with KsCD |
| 18:29.09 | Phr0zenKore_ | 2808 frames in 5.0 seconds = 561.600 FPS |
| 18:29.10 | Phr0zenKore_ | :( |
| 18:29.15 | mtnman | adraigh: i have ne never used that application. |
| 18:29.17 | pumpkin0 | Phr0zenKore_: run "glxinfo | grep indirect |
| 18:29.23 | abrotman | jjazz: and why is it a rule .. because it would be cheating:) |
| 18:29.24 | pumpkin0 | any output ? |
| 18:29.25 | CoryK | i believe it loaded them... |
| 18:29.31 | mtnman | coryk: lsmod |
| 18:29.37 | Phr0zenKore_ | .-(~/.xchat2/xchatlogs)----------------------------------------------------------(phr0zenkore@Q-Z0R-GAMING)- |
| 18:29.37 | Phr0zenKore_ | `--> glxinfo | grep indirect |
| 18:29.37 | Caelum | adraigh: check the cd line in alsamixer |
| 18:29.38 | adraigh | mtnman: what do you use... it wouldn't work in aLinux either |
| 18:29.45 | CoryK | pcmcia_core... |
| 18:29.48 | mtnman | xmms |
| 18:29.49 | fken | strange dependancies in apt : apt-get install kdevelop made me install kdesdk-scripts instead of kdevelop3 |
| 18:29.51 | Phr0zenKore_ | in other words: nothing |
| 18:29.54 | mtnman | or cdcd |
| 18:29.56 | adraigh | mtnman: thanks |
| 18:31.05 | jjazz | abrotman: Just because a rule is broken doesn't mean the breaker cheated. |
| 18:31.05 | fken | and a guy on the kde debian chan said it has nothing to deal with |
| 18:31.05 | chealer | fken, you have woody sources? |
| 18:31.05 | mtnman | adriagh: welcome |
| 18:31.05 | pumpkin0 | Phr0zenKore_: what driver does it list (without the grep) |
| 18:31.05 | fken | chealer : no etch ones |
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| 18:31.07 | stew | !+info kdevelop etch |
| 18:31.07 | dpkg | Package 'kdevelop' does not exist. |
| 18:31.07 | fken | chealer moreover there is no kdevelop for amd64 |
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| 18:31.07 | jjazz | stew: kdevelop3, mebbe? |
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| 18:31.09 | stew | jjazz: yeah that one exists, but he said kdevelop not kdevelop3 |
| 18:31.11 | Phr0zenKore_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/803 |
| 18:31.17 | fken | stew : it said the paquage doesnt exist but kdesdk-scripts replace it |
| 18:31.19 | Phr0zenKore_ | pumpkin0: http://channels.debian.net/paste/803 |
| 18:31.21 | abrotman | jjazz: the rules are there to make sure they don't cheat :) |
| 18:31.29 | zvn | should I use .bashrc or .bash_profile for setting my environment variables? |
| 18:31.31 | Gnea | Phr0zenKore_: it's: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 18:31.47 | Phr0zenKore_ | `--> glxinfo | grep direct |
| 18:31.47 | Phr0zenKore_ | direct rendering: Yes |
| 18:31.47 | fken | stew : try apt-get install kdevelop |
| 18:31.54 | Gnea | ;) |
| 18:32.16 | Phr0zenKore_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/803 |
| 18:32.16 | stew | fken: I correctly get "E: Package kdevelop has no installation candidate" |
| 18:32.21 | CoryK | i think i got it |
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| 18:32.34 | pumpkin0 | Phr0zenKore_: it's a R20 ... Radeon 7000 ? |
| 18:32.37 | CoryK | i was too worried about getting it to work, and not proceeding with the steps |
| 18:32.40 | jjazz | abrotman: Sure, but this was a rules thing and not a cheat thing. |
| 18:32.42 | Phr0zenKore_ | Radeon 9200 |
| 18:32.43 | Phr0zenKore_ | :o |
| 18:32.48 | CoryK | like say where the installer asks what card it is |
| 18:32.51 | stew | fken: because there is no kdevelop pacakge in etch |
| 18:32.55 | fken | stew: uh??? whats your release? unstable? |
| 18:32.57 | Gnea | ati? |
| 18:32.58 | stew | fken: etch |
| 18:33.00 | pumpkin0 | Phr0zenKore_: wait a sec... |
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| 18:33.08 | fken | stew:odd |
| 18:33.14 | stew | fken: why is that odd? |
| 18:33.16 | Phr0zenKore_ | 9250sE |
| 18:33.31 | adraigh | now I can't get the disk to eject |
| 18:33.32 | Zvpun | how can I check if a TrueType font is installed correctly? Where can I use/chose it? |
| 18:33.40 | Phr0zenKore_ | ATI Radeon 9250SE 128 MB with TV-Out |
| 18:33.53 | adraigh | nm |
| 18:33.54 | adraigh | lol |
| 18:33.56 | chealer | fken, maybe that con be considered a kdesdk-scripts bug |
| 18:33.59 | fken | stew: http://pastebin.com/377976 |
| 18:34.00 | pumpkin0 | Phr0zenKore_: why 1x agp ? why not 4x ? |
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| 18:34.11 | stew | fken: that looks correct |
| 18:34.17 | abrotman | jjazz: why do you have rules .. so people don't cheat .. or to establish guidelines .. |
| 18:34.17 | Phr0zenKore_ | 8x AGP |
| 18:34.17 | stew | fken: what is your question |
| 18:34.23 | cr3 | is there something lighter than mplayer to listen to .wma or .asf audio files? |
| 18:34.24 | Phr0zenKore_ | motherboard has 8x AGP |
| 18:34.33 | CoryK | apt-get is the debian package manager thingy right... |
| 18:34.39 | chealer | !tell cr3 about wma |
| 18:34.39 | cr3 | CoryK: yes |
| 18:34.41 | stew | fken: there is no kdevelop in etch. at all. |
| 18:34.44 | fken | stew : i have no question i wanted to warn that there is dependancy error |
| 18:34.57 | mtnman | cr3: apt-cache search is your friend |
| 18:34.58 | stew | fken: that is not a dependency error |
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| 18:35.12 | ThePiratemaster | my comp's broken, it goes on and makes a sound but the screen doesnt get on and after waiting a long time with the power unplugged it finaly boots up like it should. this hapened after the first time i restarted it |
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| 18:35.36 | fken | stew i realized that there is one in unstable release but i need to replace every kde files to install it... |
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| 18:35.41 | thegraham | how do I create a new imap-ssl certificate - my old one has expired |
| 18:35.44 | ThePiratemaster | during the install of a certain commercial OS *kuch* |
| 18:35.45 | pumpkin0 | Phr0zenKore_: look at /var/log/xorg.1.log to find out why 1x AGP |
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| 18:35.54 | abrotman | make-ssl-cert ? |
| 18:35.56 | stew | fken: there is not a kdevelop package in unstable, there is however a kdevelop3 package in unstable |
| 18:36.02 | ThePiratemaster | anyidea what could be wrong |
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| 18:36.15 | stew | fken: you should not be installing from unstable, you should be running stable |
| 18:36.20 | abrotman | ThePiratemaster: ask #hardware |
| 18:36.24 | fken | stew: i mean kdevelop3 in unstable sorry |
| 18:36.25 | ThePiratemaster | i did |
| 18:36.35 | ThePiratemaster | they told me to take it to the local computerstore |
| 18:36.35 | stew | fken: /msg dpkg why is kdevelop3 not in testing |
| 18:36.41 | Caelum | ThePiratemaster: overclocked? heating up too much? |
| 18:36.42 | jjazz | abrotman: cheating != rule breaking. Not every rule violation is cheating (i.e. intentional hbp, balk). And sometimes cheating doesn't break any rules (stealing signs). So you can't just sit there and say he cheated because he broke a rule. The two are not the same. |
| 18:36.42 | ThePiratemaster | what kind of an advice is that |
| 18:36.45 | ThePiratemaster | no |
| 18:36.52 | ThePiratemaster | not over clocked |
| 18:36.55 | ThePiratemaster | 3 fans |
| 18:36.57 | ThePiratemaster | brand new |
| 18:36.59 | lhirgi | route abrotman 30283h32fdd /n |
| 18:37.07 | adraigh | mtnman: you still there? |
| 18:37.11 | mtnman | here |
| 18:37.13 | azeem | ThePiratemaster: please try to use the enter key less often and write whole sentences |
| 18:37.19 | Phr0zenKore_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/804 |
| 18:37.24 | abrotman | jjazz: so if i make a motion towards the plate .. then decide tostop ? .. that should be ok? |
| 18:37.25 | azeem | so that the channel gets less cluttered |
| 18:37.29 | ThePiratemaster | lol, i'll try azeem :P |
| 18:37.36 | adraigh | mtnman: any ideas why a CD won't mount now? |
| 18:37.38 | abrotman | lhirgi: stop being an ass |
| 18:37.40 | thingfish | brand new computers can easily fail - it's when the computer is still new that manufacturing defects show up, ThePiratemaster. |
| 18:37.47 | mtnman | adraigh: audio or data? |
| 18:37.54 | Phr0zenKore_ | pumpkin0: http://channels.debian.net/paste/804 |
| 18:38.00 | adraigh | mtnman: audio |
| 18:38.03 | Caelum | ThePiratemaster: does this still happen? try running a burn in tool |
| 18:38.13 | ThePiratemaster | its not a dell or anything like that |
| 18:38.13 | fken | stew : only 2 days old !!! |
| 18:38.17 | mtnman | adraigh: don't mount it. audio cds are played w/o mounting. |
| 18:38.21 | ThePiratemaster | i picked the parts myself |
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| 18:38.38 | adraigh | mtnman: how do you get XMMS to play a CD? |
| 18:38.41 | jjazz | abrotman: No, it throws off the game to allow balks. So we disallow them. But balking isn't cheating. It's just something that happens, which the rules deal with. |
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| 18:38.47 | fken | stew : but i need to install a compiler environment gui |
| 18:38.47 | jjazz | adraigh: xmms foo.mp3 |
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| 18:38.53 | lhirgi | sorry i forgot the / slash before the command |
| 18:38.59 | stew | fken: you shouldn't be running testing |
| 18:39.01 | mtnman | adraigh: add it to the playlist. hit the eject button and a dialog window opens |
| 18:39.07 | jjazz | adraigh: Oh, you said CD. Sorry. Mount the cd, then point xmms at it. |
| 18:39.17 | abrotman | jjazz: it psyches out the batter no? |
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| 18:39.25 | stew | fken: you need to look for something other than kdevelop |
| 18:39.26 | abrotman | lhirgi: forgot what? |
| 18:39.34 | fken | stew: and maybe i should install windows ? |
| 18:39.34 | stew | fken: or you need to compile it yourself |
| 18:39.35 | mtnman | jjazz: wtf are you talking about. you do not mount audio cds to play them. |
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| 18:39.45 | ThePiratemaster | guys, anymore sugestions regarding the comp? |
| 18:39.46 | thingfish | yeah that's what I was thinking. |
| 18:39.54 | Phr0zenKore_ | pumpkin0: http://channels.debian.net/paste/804 |
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| 18:40.01 | fken | stew : some peripherals like sound card required kernel which arent in stable release |
| 18:40.01 | jjazz | mtnman: Don't you? It's been a while since I've seen an audui CD. |
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| 18:40.18 | thingfish | you don't mount audio cds, jjazz. |
| 18:40.18 | mtnman | adraigh: when you open the dialog by pressing the eject button, add the contents of the cd (e.g. /dev/cdrom or /dev/hda3 or whatever) |
| 18:40.20 | stew | fken: you can compile a newer knerel and run it in stable |
| 18:40.21 | abrotman | jjazz: you do not |
| 18:40.24 | jjazz | ok |
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| 18:40.32 | abrotman | and you never have :) |
| 18:40.35 | stew | audio cd's don't contain a filesystem |
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| 18:40.47 | Phr0zenKore_ | .. pumpkin0... you there? |
| 18:40.48 | mtnman | jjazz: if you'd paid attention i mentioned that fact several times in teh past minute |
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| 18:40.59 | fken | stew: surely... but i am on testing since the beginnig of the year |
| 18:41.02 | thingfish | I was amazed when the gnome cd player actually played my audio cd. It's something that's not worked on any previous distro I'd tried. |
| 18:41.08 | adraigh | mtnman: no files are showing up in the xmms dialog for me to add |
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| 18:41.27 | mtnman | adraigh: add /dev/hdn (replace n with the drive number) |
| 18:41.30 | fken | stew: i like to see i have to upgrade some files |
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| 18:41.45 | pumpkin0 | Phr0zenKore_: (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found. Your ATI-drivers are running in the VESA/VGA-Mode. It does not know your cart is a 9200 |
| 18:41.45 | pumpkin0 | Phr0zenKore_: did you load all the needed kernel-modules ? |
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| 18:41.58 | fken | stew : do you know compiler tool kit gui ? |
| 18:42.10 | stew | fken: i only suggest that stable would be better for you becuase of your lack of reading comprehension and unwillingness / inability to follow directions |
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| 18:42.26 | fken | stew: pfff |
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| 18:42.49 | Phr0zenKore_ | ... |
| 18:42.50 | randyspizer | are here guys from germany |
| 18:42.56 | fken | stew: i everytime followed your advices |
| 18:42.57 | Anthro | !de |
| 18:42.57 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 18:42.57 | Phr0zenKore_ | nice -_- |
| 18:43.00 | Phr0zenKore_ | he's gone |
| 18:43.02 | Phr0zenKore_ | :( |
| 18:43.07 | stew | fken: hah! |
| 18:43.12 | Phr0zenKore_ | can anybody else help me with my problem, then? |
| 18:43.12 | Azabeth | are the guys from ukraine? :) |
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| 18:43.32 | DoppelGanger | Azabeth: no mars |
| 18:43.34 | fken | stew : the only times i didnt it was because i didnt understood and you keep on advicing other things |
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| 18:43.40 | DoppelGanger | Phr0zenKore_: a doctor perhaps :) |
| 18:44.13 | abrotman | jjazz: honestly . if it were reversed .. i'm sure you would have called bill mueller a cheater .. but it doesn't matter .. that entire game was bizarre IIRC |
| 18:44.19 | DoppelGanger | stew: you should stop "advicing" |
| 18:44.23 | adraigh | still no sound from the CD |
| 18:44.28 | Phr0zenKore_ | DoppelGanger: i don't think a docter would cure my videocard with some medicine XDF |
| 18:44.31 | Phr0zenKore_ | XD* |
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| 18:44.42 | CoryK | is 500 MB big enough for /var? |
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| 18:44.51 | abrotman | CoryK: depends what you're doing with the machine |
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| 18:45.06 | CoryK | laptop... |
| 18:45.08 | abrotman | CoryK: that is the default locatoin for a lot of data |
| 18:45.10 | fken | stew : the latest advice someone gave to me and which i havent followed was : to install eclipse (compiling it) and i answer i would rather apt one |
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| 18:45.13 | jjazz | abrotman: I would have said he was an idiot. But not a cheater. And yes, bizarre game. Hopefully this weekend will play out better. It all comes down to the starters. |
| 18:45.15 | abrotman | logs .. databases .. mailspool |
| 18:45.34 | fken | but i dont think there is any usable gui on etch |
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| 18:45.38 | abrotman | jjazz: i have a feeling there will be a lot of people with sore spots from a 90mph fastball :) |
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| 18:45.50 | abrotman | fken: use xfce .. stop moaning |
| 18:45.59 | asg | ah, I see fken is still on the crack |
| 18:46.02 | adraigh | mtnman: plays mp3s fine, but won't play CDA from an audio CD |
| 18:46.13 | fken | pfffff |
| 18:46.23 | Pfated | He seems to be deflating. |
| 18:46.25 | cr3 | chealer: ok, so I'm now using vlc to listen to wma files. However, it keeps poping up a window even if I provide the argument --noosd on the command line. any suggestions? |
| 18:46.26 | mtnman | adraigh: you may need to add a plugin |
| 18:46.28 | thingfish | hehe Pfated |
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| 18:46.37 | fken | abrotman i surely would answer something if i knew what moaning mean |
| 18:46.37 | chealer | cr3, busym try #vlc |
| 18:46.39 | Pfated | ello, thingfish. |
| 18:46.46 | thingfish | hi, Pfated. |
| 18:46.46 | chealer | cr3, #videolan rather |
| 18:46.46 | adraigh | mtnman: any ideas? |
| 18:46.46 | Phr0zenKore_ | ... so can anybody help me with my low fps rate? |
| 18:46.51 | mtnman | adraigh: apt-get install xmms-cdread |
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| 18:46.53 | abrotman | fix DRI |
| 18:46.53 | asg | fken: apt-get install dict ; dict moan |
| 18:46.58 | abrotman | dri.sf.net or #dri |
| 18:47.01 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 18:47.01 | dpkg | methinks pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:47.08 | asg | wait for it, wait for it |
| 18:47.11 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 18:47.11 | dpkg | well, pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
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| 18:47.13 | Anthro | abrotman: You're early. |
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| 18:47.25 | humbolt | how can I download a website with wget including all the video files that are linked on this page: look at http://typo3.org/documentation/videos/wmv-format/ |
| 18:47.29 | abrotman | Anthro: not me .. i'm not til later |
| 18:47.40 | Anthro | Why are the spambots changing nicks? I mean, what's the point? |
| 18:47.42 | abrotman | humbolt: man wget |
| 18:47.47 | abrotman | Anthro: ban evasion .. they think |
| 18:47.58 | Anthro | abrotman: but... you can ban on IP |
| 18:48.03 | abrotman | Anthro: duh |
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| 18:48.18 | chealer | I red my first theora yesterday. didn't even realize it was a video |
| 18:48.18 | Caelum | Phr0zenKore_: do you have the "radeon" module loaded and stuff? |
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| 18:48.23 | LoRez | Anthro: it's to make the trivially more difficult to find |
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| 18:48.25 | chealer | (when I downloaded) |
| 18:48.28 | blastmanu | hi |
| 18:48.30 | LoRez | er, them |
| 18:48.38 | blastmanu | I'm very happy to see you |
| 18:48.49 | chealer | it was pretty great, except aba is tough to understand...as a non-native English listener |
| 18:48.50 | asg | abrotman: did you find his clitoris or something? |
| 18:48.59 | Phr0zenKore_ | yes Caelum |
| 18:49.01 | Phr0zenKore_ | i have. |
| 18:49.02 | abrotman | if i found *his* clitoris .. i should get a prize |
| 18:49.02 | thingfish | hehe |
| 18:49.06 | blastmanu | hey, come and meet Barbara |
| 18:49.09 | asg | !prize abrotman |
| 18:49.10 | Phr0zenKore_ | <Phr0zenKore_> i have an ATI Radeon 9250SE 128 MB DD with TV-out |
| 18:49.10 | Phr0zenKore_ | <Phr0zenKore_> glxgears output isL: |
| 18:49.10 | Phr0zenKore_ | <Phr0zenKore_> 2808 frames in 5.0 seconds = 561.600 FPS |
| 18:49.10 | Phr0zenKore_ | <Phr0zenKore_> log: http://channels.debian.net/paste/804 |
| 18:49.10 | Phr0zenKore_ | <Phr0zenKore_> glxinfo: http://channels.debian.net/paste/803 |
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| 18:49.10 | Anthro | chealer: Don't worry, they weren't native English speakers, either. |
| 18:49.10 | humbolt | abrotman: well, if it was that easy. I found all kinds of switches and triggers but wget does only download html files and with -p, --page-requisites get all images, etc. needed to display HTML page. |
| 18:49.11 | fken | asg: oh god |
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| 18:49.17 | Phr0zenKore_ | ... |
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| 18:49.19 | Anthro | Boom! |
| 18:49.19 | mtnman | abrotman: not the booby-prize, however... |
| 18:49.22 | chealer | Anthro, I hope so :) |
| 18:49.29 | abrotman | mtnman: no .. Phr0zenKore_ gets that |
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| 18:49.37 | blastmanu | let me introduce you to Tom |
| 18:49.44 | boocay | Hi. |
| 18:49.47 | blastmanu | He's from L.A. |
| 18:49.50 | abrotman | blastmanu: who are you |
| 18:49.56 | Anthro | blastmanu: WTF? |
| 18:49.59 | boocay | Does yesterday/today's unstable do anything to PATH? |
| 18:50.03 | chealer | Anthro, aba is particularly not native :) |
| 18:50.09 | asg | boocay: the BTS would know |
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| 18:50.27 | boocay | asg, yeah, but which package...? |
| 18:50.35 | asg | boocay: start with the ones you updated |
| 18:50.52 | Phr0zenKore_ | ... |
| 18:50.58 | Phr0zenKore_ | anyone? o_O |
| 18:51.05 | abrotman | humbolt: i know it does it ... i've done it |
| 18:51.19 | abrotman | humbolt: unless it can't follow the links for some reason |
| 18:51.30 | Anthro | Phr0zenKore_: What's your issue? You're getting 561FPS. |
| 18:51.32 | stew | boocay: PATH is defined in ~/.profile /etc/profile ~/.bash_profile, of those dpkg would only touch /etc/profile, and wouldn't do so without asking first |
| 18:51.36 | Phr0zenKore_ | yup an |
| 18:51.39 | Phr0zenKore_ | Anthro* |
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| 18:51.45 | blastmanu | I'm french and I listen CD English to suspend |
| 18:51.49 | Phr0zenKore_ | the games are slow.. |
| 18:51.53 | abrotman | !ops blastmanu nonsense bot |
| 18:51.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: blastmanu nonsense bot |
| 18:51.54 | penguin_ | What is command to get warnings at bootup? |
| 18:51.55 | Phr0zenKore_ | dAMN slow.. |
| 18:52.14 | Anthro | Phr0zenKore_: Piss off. |
| 18:52.16 | humbolt | abrotman: might a link like this introduce a problem: http://typo3.netfielders.de/gettingstarted_00_installation_[en][de][da].wmv |
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| 18:52.24 | abrotman | humbolt: good chance |
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| 18:52.35 | LoRez | sorry caphuso |
| 18:52.40 | caphuso | LoRez: no problem |
| 18:52.42 | humbolt | abrotman: how to get around that? |
| 18:52.44 | abrotman | humbolt: ca you use wget to get that from the command line like normal ? |
| 18:52.49 | TML | caphuso: Too fast for me |
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| 18:52.55 | humbolt | yes |
| 18:53.12 | abrotman | caphuso: maybe lhirgi too .. uncertain |
| 18:53.15 | Phr0zenKore_ | Anthro: i mean, i wanna play games but the FPS rate is like.. 516, and that's with glxgears, with a game at the resolution of 1280x1024 it's 3fps. |
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| 18:53.33 | abrotman | or perhaps just a general troll |
| 18:53.40 | Anthro | Phr0zenKore_: Did you get DRI working? |
| 18:53.44 | abrotman | humbolt: hrm .. it should do it |
| 18:53.45 | Phr0zenKore_ | Anthro: yup |
| 18:53.49 | Caelum | DRI is working from his log |
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| 18:54.04 | humbolt | and I see it is also getting files like this with -r mode: typo3.org/index.html?tx_newsimporter_pi1[showItem]=7&cHash=1a7c14ea9b |
| 18:54.08 | abrotman | what kind of video card does he have .. maybe that's all it does |
| 18:54.08 | Anthro | Phr0zenKore_: Hrm. I dunno, then. Wrong GLX lib? |
| 18:54.26 | Anthro | abrotman: Hercules! |
| 18:54.27 | abrotman | humbolt: it's just skipping movie files ? |
| 18:54.32 | Phr0zenKore_ | i haev an ATI RADEON 9250SE DDR WITH TV-OUT |
| 18:54.33 | Phr0zenKore_ | :p |
| 18:54.37 | stew | Phr0zenKore_: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 18:54.43 | humbolt | yes |
| 18:54.58 | Caelum | Phr0zenKore_: try adding EnablePageFlip true, AGPMode 4, AGPFastWrite on and mtrr on |
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| 18:55.14 | Phr0zenKore_ | http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 18:55.17 | Phr0zenKore_ | ... that's deprecated? |
| 18:55.20 | pem3v78 | how to ignore 'mkdir test' output (stderr too) ? |
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| 18:55.34 | Caelum | Phr0zenKore_: the fglrx stuff is fucking up your GL libs |
| 18:55.43 | Caelum | Phr0zenKore_: get rid of it |
| 18:55.55 | Phr0zenKore_ | Caelum: don't have it here? |
| 18:56.07 | stew | Phr0zenKore_: who says it's deprecated? |
| 18:56.13 | marculix | pem3v78: mkdir test >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 18:56.19 | humbolt | abrotman: that's what it does |
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| 18:56.21 | drac | Phr0zenKore_: You have OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 4.0.4, while newest version is 6.5. That version doesn't support much of radeon features. Upgrade your X.org and Mesa. |
| 18:56.26 | egil_ | how shall i configure Evolution to retrieve hotmail mails ? (if it's possible to do that) |
| 18:56.29 | [sr] | is reiserfs 4 stable ? |
| 18:56.30 | pem3v78 | marculix: what if run this as root ? |
| 18:56.38 | lhirgi | can you hack my computer? tip: my root password is n28KlSW&y |
| 18:56.41 | marculix | nothing pem3v78 |
| 18:56.52 | azeem | lhirgi: please stay on topic |
| 18:56.53 | Phr0zenKore_ | i have XFree86 |
| 18:57.13 | stew | !ops /lastlog lhirgi ; he is a troll |
| 18:57.14 | abrotman | humbolt: can you have wget logit somewhere? |
| 18:57.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: /lastlog lhirgi ; he is a troll |
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| 18:57.16 | Caelum | Phr0zenKore_: apt-get install xlibmesa-dri |
| 18:57.18 | pem3v78 | great, I misplaced '&' sign, thx |
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| 18:57.41 | Phr0zenKore_ | xlibmesa-dri is already the newest version. |
| 18:57.41 | Phr0zenKore_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 18:57.43 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
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| 18:57.50 | abrotman | stew: or not so bright :) |
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| 18:58.01 | da_bon_bon | if i use debianpure.com to install debian, can i expect support here ? |
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| 18:58.08 | chealer | stew, /lastlog is assumed :) |
| 18:58.11 | penguin_ | How come I am getting a warning on bootup that isnt logged to dmesg? |
| 18:58.18 | abrotman | helix: thank you |
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| 18:58.31 | chealer | penguin_, does it come late? perhaps you want bootlogd |
| 18:58.33 | adraigh | mtnman: do I have to restart after getting the CDREAD for xmms, or just restart xmms? |
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| 18:58.37 | asg | penguin_: dmesg only logs kernel errors/warnings |
| 18:58.38 | stew | helix: he's back |
| 18:58.46 | mtnman | adraigh: not sure. read the docs? |
| 18:58.47 | lhirgi | what happend? |
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| 18:59.06 | helix | lhirgi: I removed you for trolling. if you continue, I will ban you |
| 18:59.12 | mtnman | adriagh: i would guess, though, that you don't need to do anything but play a cd. |
| 18:59.14 | azeem | lhirgi: you were removed from this chan due to being off-topic and trollish |
| 18:59.38 | lhirgi | i am sorry |
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| 19:00.01 | penguin_ | How do you get bootlogd? |
| 19:00.15 | Caelum | Phr0zenKore_: are you using sid? |
| 19:00.20 | adraigh | mtnman: still not working... weird though... everything but CD is giving me sound. |
| 19:00.20 | azeem | penguin_: I thought that gets installed by default |
| 19:00.26 | penguin_ | Some kind of apache warning, but not in logs that I can find |
| 19:00.39 | Hohlraum | trying to get ssh to only allow public key auth (no system passwords) .. any ideas? .. yes i've been reading the man page.. I thought at first that it was the PasswordAuthentication option but its already set to 'no' by default and its still allowing them. |
| 19:00.50 | mtnman | adraigh: then try restarting xmms. |
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| 19:00.55 | boocay | ghhhh. |
| 19:00.56 | penguin_ | But how to read it? |
| 19:00.56 | stew | penguin_: /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 19:01.00 | lhirgi | whois helix |
| 19:01.02 | boocay | don't see any releveant changes :E |
| 19:01.07 | mtnman | adriagh: did you instll xmms-cdread? |
| 19:01.12 | adraigh | mtnman: did that twice already |
| 19:01.13 | abrotman | not so slick is he |
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| 19:01.26 | abrotman | stew: i think the latter applies here :) |
| 19:01.35 | Phr0zenKore_ | Caelum: sid? |
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| 19:02.00 | drac | Phr0zenKore_: Sid is Unstable. |
| 19:02.03 | penguin_ | It isnt enabled. What happens if bootlogd is enabled? |
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| 19:02.10 | mtnman | adraigh: is the user running xmms able to read cd? i think you need to add the user to either the disk group. |
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| 19:02.55 | stew | Phr0zenKore_: /topic |
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| 19:03.45 | mtnman | adraigh: also, please read /usr/share/doc/xmms-cdread/Readme.Debian |
| 19:04.12 | adraigh | mtnman: I am a noob... how do I do that? |
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| 19:04.30 | abrotman | less /usr/share/doc/xmms-cdread/Readme.Debian |
| 19:04.42 | adraigh | mtnman: I can access all data disks as well as play MP3s from a CD but it won't play audio CDs |
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| 19:04.57 | adraigh | mtnman: is there a different user setting for audio CD play |
| 19:05.15 | mtnman | adraigh: please read the instructions in the file i referenced. i will not help you anymore until you follow those instrucions. |
| 19:05.21 | mtnman | instructions, even. |
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| 19:05.44 | adraigh | mtnman: didn't see the file |
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| 19:06.10 | abrotman | !find xmms-cdread/Readme.Debian |
| 19:06.14 | mtnman | adraigh: then you did not look. cd /usr/share/doc/xmms-cdread. then do ls |
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| 19:06.19 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xmms-cdread/Readme.Debian' returned no results. |
| 19:06.26 | pumpkin0 | i have a very, very high iowait-load when running java-progs. Since i don't have a harddisk (ramfs + squashedfs + some fun with initrd) that seems strange to me. Any idea what else can show up as iowait ? |
| 19:06.26 | abrotman | mtnman: that's not good |
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| 19:06.40 | simonrvn | pumpkin0: ram |
| 19:06.47 | Gnea | what the.... |
| 19:06.50 | mtnman | excuse me, it is README.Debian, not Readme.Debian |
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| 19:07.01 | abrotman | !find xmms-cdread/README.Debian |
| 19:07.06 | mtnman | abrotman: and that's not bad! |
| 19:07.07 | Gnea | the /dev/psaux on my workstation suddenly just went dead |
| 19:07.08 | abrotman | Gnea: lots of dots |
| 19:07.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xmms-cdread/README.Debian' (1): (/usr/share/doc/xmms-cdread/README.Debian) in sound/xmms-cdread. |
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| 19:07.19 | Gnea | abrotman: yeah, this isn't good. |
| 19:07.20 | abrotman | mtnman: hard to read if it's not there :) |
| 19:07.35 | abrotman | Gnea: E17 has been abandonded ? |
| 19:07.43 | mtnman | it is there. it is a ROSE which I called a Rose. |
| 19:07.46 | Anthro | Given either an elm aliases.text or a mutt aliases file, is there a good way to load it en masse into an LDAP directory? Or convert it into something that an LDAP server will serve? |
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| 19:07.51 | pumpkin0 | simonrvn: the cpu.load is constanly > 5. No other progs cause any visible iowait ... |
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| 19:08.06 | abrotman | mtnman: i did'nt realize you misspelled it .. i was just saying that if it wasn't there .. it'd be hard to read |
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| 19:08.24 | boocay | Eh |
| 19:08.26 | Gnea | abrotman: this has nothing to do with E17, this is a base-level problem. |
| 19:08.29 | mtnman | abrotman: you said that after i mentioned my mis-spelling. |
| 19:08.30 | boocay | is it only me? |
| 19:08.38 | abrotman | mtnman: bad timing :) |
| 19:08.39 | boocay | login seems to be ignoring /etc/login.defs |
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| 19:08.51 | phaedral_ | woot! public wifi on a debian laptop! |
| 19:08.57 | simonrvn | pumpkin0: does that java stuff have gui elements? i often have more problems with applets and such than with backend stuff (that still can cause problems, but not as many) |
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| 19:09.12 | robewald | hello, regarding ethernet bridging, do i need to disable the normal network stanzas in network interfaces? |
| 19:09.16 | phaedral_ | couldn't have done it without all the hand-holding I've got in #debian over the months |
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| 19:09.24 | simonrvn | pumpkin0: btw, top can tell you what ;) |
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| 19:09.25 | Gnea | if i reload psmouse.ko is says it says it detects it, yet it fails to register the device |
| 19:09.40 | Gnea | all of a sudden... and i haven't updated a thing |
| 19:09.47 | Caelum | phaedral_: got hostap working as a hotspot? cool, prism chip? |
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| 19:10.03 | pumpkin0 | simonrvn: yes, it has a swing-gui. (the load does not show up in top, only on the icewm cpu-load-monitor) |
| 19:10.16 | Gnea | abrotman: and i know the mouse works cuz it's on a kvm and when i flip it to another system it works just fine (zonet kvm) |
| 19:10.21 | phaedral_ | Caelum: was lucky enough to find a howto that didn't require me to know the answer to that question j |
| 19:10.46 | abrotman | Gnea: mousedev ? |
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| 19:12.42 | phaedral_ | used apt-get to get module-assistant, ndiswrapper-source and -utils, wpasupplicant |
| 19:12.57 | adraigh | mtnman: done it all... have to get the tracks to show up to test it |
| 19:12.59 | abrotman | Gnea: no? |
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| 19:13.12 | adraigh | mtnman: thanks for your help so far |
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| 19:14.29 | Gnea | abrotman: no mousedev (it's 2.6.12) |
| 19:14.32 | mtnman | adraigh: you are welcome. |
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| 19:15.26 | Gnea | abrotman: i think it got compiled in - but it hasn't been a problem before, it's been running strong for months now |
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| 19:16.11 | Gnea | abrotman: doing an upgrade now |
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| 19:16.21 | pem3v78 | how can I see what processes are using my cdrom drive ? |
| 19:16.36 | Gathond | pem3v78: lsof or fuser |
| 19:16.46 | Gnea | lsof | grep hdX |
| 19:16.48 | theD3viL | Which programm in debian for p2p? |
| 19:16.56 | theD3viL | with apt sure. |
| 19:16.59 | Gnea | whatever /dev/hdX is linked to /dev/cdrom |
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| 19:17.21 | Gnea | theD3viL: apt-cache search p2p |
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| 19:17.47 | theD3viL | Gnea, nothing found. |
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| 19:18.15 | Gnea | theD3viL: try gift |
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| 19:19.06 | theD3viL | Gnea, gift or apollon? |
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| 19:19.40 | Gnea | theD3viL: wait, where did i say apollon? |
| 19:19.47 | theD3viL | kk =) |
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| 19:20.42 | boocay | can anyone check if his/hers login.defs are also ignored? |
| 19:20.50 | boocay | (ENV_PATH and ENV_SUPATH settings, that is) |
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| 19:21.17 | abrotman | depends how you login |
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| 19:21.31 | boocay | abrotman, normal getty on console |
| 19:21.35 | boocay | (text console, that is) |
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| 19:22.29 | stew | boocay: are you overriding the PATH in /etc/profile or ~/*profile ? |
| 19:22.40 | pem3v78 | hm. strange I can't umount cd drive, but no process is using it. can I force it ? |
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| 19:22.56 | boocay | stew, no, I've checked that. |
| 19:22.59 | abrotman | boocay: i thought they got set in /etc/profile |
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| 19:23.02 | stew | boocay: .bashrc? |
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| 19:23.15 | mutante | pem3v78: are you in/below the directory that you want to unmount? |
| 19:23.22 | pem3v78 | yes |
| 19:23.28 | theD3viL | Gnea, after gift-setup, do what ? |
| 19:23.31 | boocay | stew, no, zsh here. And no, path is untouched in neither of .z* files. |
| 19:23.34 | mutante | pem3v78: thats why you cant unmount, leave it first |
| 19:23.35 | pem3v78 | I go out to root dir |
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| 19:23.45 | pem3v78 | sorry I misunderstood |
| 19:23.49 | mutante | ah,ok |
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| 19:24.29 | gniretar | !puke |
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| 19:24.38 | gniretar | !windows |
| 19:24.38 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows they don't work. |
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| 19:24.44 | adraigh | mtnman: thanks for all your help, but it is still not working. checked to see if it will play the audio on a DVD and it did, but not on audio CD |
| 19:24.45 | gniretar | !windows |
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| 19:25.03 | boocay | stew, I've just set ENV_PATH and ENV_SUPATH to bogus values (/usr/local/etc and /usr/local/share) - no sign of that in echo $PATH. |
| 19:25.06 | mtnman | adraigh: have you tried more than on audio cd" |
| 19:25.06 | mtnman | ? |
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| 19:25.20 | mtnman | more than one.. |
| 19:25.21 | adraigh | mtnman: tried 3 different ones |
| 19:25.26 | pem3v78 | I opened a file in Ark from cd, maybe it didn't release sth properly |
| 19:25.31 | fken | where could i find anjuta users ? |
| 19:25.34 | mtnman | adraigh: what type of machine? |
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| 19:25.43 | boocay | stew, right now it has even /usr/ucb in it, which is NOWHERE in /etc/* :E |
| 19:25.57 | Gnea | theD3viL: just read the /usr/share/docs/gift/* |
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| 19:26.09 | mutante | pem3v78: there is "umount -f" but you could first check if there are really no files open with "lsof" |
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| 19:26.28 | adraigh | i686 celeron 2.4GHz with 512MB DDR and 60GB HD Elitegroup MB Via Chipset |
| 19:26.41 | pumpkin0 | pem3v78: and run sync before trying that. |
| 19:26.42 | mtnman | adraigh: laptop or desktop? |
| 19:26.43 | mae_ | hmm someone trying to flood debian? |
| 19:26.46 | adraigh | desktop |
| 19:26.50 | stew | boocay: it must be a dotfile then |
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| 19:27.08 | boocay | stew, I'll create a dummy user |
| 19:27.12 | mae_ | will apt ever reach version 1.0? |
| 19:27.15 | abrotman | adraigh: do you have the funny little cable ? |
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| 19:27.18 | mtnman | adraigh: not sure if it will matter, but you could check that the audio cable from the cd drive is connected to the soundcard |
| 19:27.21 | adraigh | no |
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| 19:27.27 | abrotman | adraigh: you need the funny cable :) |
| 19:27.33 | boocay | stew, but still - it COULDN't be dotfiles, because ucb is NOT in any dotfile as well |
| 19:27.38 | pem3v78 | I did 'lsof | grep cdrom' - no results. When I'm inside cd mount dir it shows results. sync doesn't help |
| 19:27.44 | abrotman | the little 4 wire cable .. required for audio CDs to be played like that |
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| 19:27.48 | adraigh | mtnman: it won't pull CDA through the Digital signal? |
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| 19:27.59 | stew | boocay: have you been messing about in /etc/pam.d? |
| 19:28.05 | mtnman | adraigh: it appears to not be doing so. |
| 19:28.05 | OleMoudi | how many mails needs a smpt server to send if the message is sent to 2 recipients with the same @host.com ? |
| 19:28.09 | abrotman | adraigh: not the way you're trying to do .. there is a way .. damned if i can remember at the moment |
| 19:28.11 | boocay | stew, no, I have not. |
| 19:28.21 | OleMoudi | *smtp |
| 19:28.27 | mutante | pem3v78: whats the error on "umount" by the way? |
| 19:28.34 | boocay | nor with /etc/security/* |
| 19:28.37 | adraigh | mtnman: don't get me wrong... I DON'T LIKE linspire, but it works in that port of debian. |
| 19:28.37 | pem3v78 | even umount -f doesn't help :( I'm stuck with the cd inside |
| 19:28.40 | smokerfat | Hi, Guys. If I installed Debian from CD, and it came with Apache2 already with the php module.... is the source for the php on my system or would I have to download it? |
| 19:28.42 | mtnman | adraigh: you may be able to find a way to do so by doing a google search. |
| 19:28.48 | stew | boocay: *shrug , you've got me then |
| 19:28.50 | pem3v78 | umount: /mnt/cdrom0: device is busy |
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| 19:29.03 | mutante | is the LED active? |
| 19:29.08 | abrotman | adraigh: you're trying to play via xmms ? |
| 19:29.09 | mtnman | adraigh: i don't get the linspire reference. |
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| 19:29.18 | stew | smokerfat: /msg dpkg source ; out of curiosity, why do you want it? |
| 19:29.18 | abrotman | mtnman: linspire is based on debian |
| 19:29.26 | mathieu | what is a good and simple file manager that uses gtk ? |
| 19:29.26 | mtnman | abrotman: no kidding. |
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| 19:29.31 | abrotman | mtnman: hey! |
| 19:29.34 | adraigh | abrotman: I was trying to get it to play on anything |
| 19:29.34 | mutante | pem3v78: is it REALLY busy? can you see LED / feel/hear the disc rotating |
| 19:29.37 | abrotman | mathieu: xfe .. i think |
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| 19:29.46 | pem3v78 | no I can't |
| 19:29.47 | smokerfat | Stew: I'm trying to recompile the php module so I have GD support.. |
| 19:29.49 | abrotman | adraigh: but is xmms one of the players you were trying ? |
| 19:29.55 | abrotman | smokerfat: apt-get install php4-gd |
| 19:29.56 | stew | smokerfat: apt-get install php4-gd |
| 19:29.58 | pem3v78 | it's free for 10 minutes now |
| 19:30.03 | adraigh | abrotman: yes |
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| 19:30.15 | pumpkin0 | pem3v78: try running lsof as root. still no result ? |
| 19:30.26 | smokerfat | that's it? but I was kind of thinking more of a customized ./configure |
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| 19:30.43 | abrotman | adraigh: go to #xmms and ask them "Is there a way i can use XMMS to play an audioCD without the audio cable from my CDROM to my sound card?" |
| 19:30.48 | pem3v78 | ah, now I got it, thx |
| 19:30.52 | mathieu | abrotman, thanks |
| 19:31.05 | Gnea | ok this is simply not cool. |
| 19:31.07 | abrotman | smokerfat: most of PHP4 is modularized in debian |
| 19:31.11 | mtnman | abrotman: i suggested he do a google search which would be a better first step. |
| 19:31.17 | pem3v78 | hate that famd process :) |
| 19:31.19 | stew | smokerfat: just install php4-gd, that's it, you might wanna apt-cache search --names-only php4- ; to see what else is available |
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| 19:31.36 | abrotman | mtnman: i suppose .. though i wouldn't know the terms to search on .. that's the problem i see |
| 19:31.41 | smokerfat | hmm, ok thanks.. I'll look into it. |
| 19:31.44 | Gnea | abrotman: yeah well X *does* and if the device isn't there then it fails to load |
| 19:31.52 | abrotman | mtnman: google "play audio CD no audio cable" ? :) |
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| 19:32.00 | mtnman | abrotman: linux cd audio "no cable" would be a good start |
| 19:32.03 | abrotman | Gnea: oh .. yeah .. punch me |
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| 19:32.40 | boocay | ok |
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| 19:32.52 | boocay | old version of login DOES take ENV_PATH into consideration |
| 19:32.54 | abrotman | mtnman: alsaplayer? |
| 19:33.06 | abrotman | mtnman: that's what i got |
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| 19:33.14 | mtnman | abrotman: full sentence please. |
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| 19:33.42 | abrotman | mtnman; http://www.cs.duke.edu/csl/faqs/linux.php#cdrom |
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| 19:33.58 | abrotman | mtnman: which of course assumes he's using alsa |
| 19:34.06 | mtnman | abrotman: what about it? |
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| 19:34.33 | abrotman | mtnman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/11/msg00842.html |
| 19:34.40 | m0rtix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.48 | abrotman | adraigh: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/11/msg00842.html |
| 19:35.00 | abrotman | and it's from none other than .. THOMAS ADAM! |
| 19:35.05 | abrotman | !sing thomasadam |
| 19:35.10 | abrotman | !sing thomas_adam |
| 19:35.10 | dpkg | thomas_adam was an IRCer, alas he is no more, for what he thought was H2O was H2SO4 |
| 19:35.24 | pem3v78 | I'm using oss in kde, but only one process can play sound. to use xmms I have to disable system sounds and vice versa. What should I do to use both at the same time ? |
| 19:35.26 | mtnman | abrotman: i really can't be bothered to read it |
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| 19:35.41 | abrotman | mtnman: says to change the prefernces to "Ensure the "digital audio extraction" box is pressed in." |
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| 19:36.19 | Mr-R | pem3v78: use the arts output plugin in xmms |
| 19:36.20 | abrotman | mtnman: your google-fu is stronger than mine :) |
| 19:36.21 | Zambba | Can I make my KDE system to use GStreamer instead of the bloody arts? |
| 19:36.31 | mtnman | abrotman: if the results of the search are a problem, refine the terms. e.g. by including "xmms" as an additional term. |
| 19:36.39 | abrotman | mtnman: i did .. that's how i got the second link |
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| 19:36.45 | m0rtix | Is it possible to post our shell use toward exit other tty (other user for example) ? |
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| 19:37.22 | mtnman | abrotman: you are really talking to the wrong person. i don't care about it, i was only helping someone. cd audio works fine here, since i bothered to connect the cable. |
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| 19:37.36 | abrotman | mtnman: i know .. i told him |
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| 19:37.42 | ntrs_ | Hi. Does anyone here know how I can exclude some packages from being installed/updated by apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:37.52 | gniretar | calm down you two |
| 19:37.55 | stew | ntrs_: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 19:38.00 | SlayerXP | evening |
| 19:38.12 | adraigh | thanks all!!! got it... just had to enable Digital Audio Extraction with the built in CD plugin |
| 19:38.19 | outlaw84 | when I run ./configure for lots of things I keep gething "Can't find X includes" I am running x.org what should I do |
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| 19:38.29 | stew | outlaw84: what are you compiling? |
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| 19:38.40 | abrotman | adraigh: did you get that link? |
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| 19:38.46 | outlaw84 | kde gui stuff |
| 19:38.54 | mtnman | adraigh: congratulations and happy listening. |
| 19:39.00 | abrotman | mtnman: i can't believe people don't use the cable :) |
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| 19:39.07 | abrotman | adraigh: ah ok .. didn't see your comment .. enjoy :) |
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| 19:39.14 | stew | outlaw84: stuff for which debian packages don't exist? |
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| 19:39.29 | outlaw84 | stew: yea |
| 19:39.30 | SlayerXP | Bob help me, but I need a clue. In the old days I used to be able to write a kernel to a floppy and boot from it. I just tried that and got a message saying this was no longer supported. How do I boot my poor linux install? |
| 19:39.39 | adraigh | abrotman: using the cable stops you from hooking up your front audo ports in tower |
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| 19:39.43 | ntrs_ | stew, so there is no configuration option or something similar for /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 19:40.01 | outlaw84 | stew: I also got it when trying to make stuff with Kdevelop3 |
| 19:40.08 | adraigh | thanks again!!! |
| 19:40.14 | abrotman | adraigh: oh .. that shouldn't be right .. there should be another jack for another input/output |
| 19:40.14 | stew | ntrs_: /msg dpkg pinning ; man apt_preferences ; but its much easier to just put it on hold /msg dpkg hold |
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| 19:40.52 | abrotman | well . on a sensible motherboard anyways :) |
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| 19:41.17 | Daffy-PKF | can dpkg shows me what dependencies a package needs? |
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| 19:41.44 | abrotman | apt-cache show <pkg> |
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| 19:41.49 | stew | outlaw84: sounds like you need some -dev pacakges from the xorg-x11 source |
| 19:41.52 | abrotman | !tell Daffy-PKF about refcard |
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| 19:42.04 | pumpkin0 | Daffy-PKF: try dpkg -i package-file |
| 19:42.17 | abrotman | pumpkin0: you're asuming he has the package locally |
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| 19:42.29 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 19:42.37 | pumpkin0 | why else should he use dpkg and not apt-get ? |
| 19:42.37 | eeyore- | does anybody know of a linux star-chart program? |
| 19:42.39 | Daffy-PKF | pumpkin0> its already installed, i just want to know the dependencies, so i can tell a friend what he needs |
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| 19:42.46 | Zvpun | what programs can I use to view fonts? |
| 19:42.52 | abrotman | Daffy-PKF: apt-cache show <pkg> |
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| 19:43.02 | beardy | eeyore-: kstars |
| 19:43.03 | eeyore- | Zvpun: xlsfonts, xfontsel, and more |
| 19:43.08 | eeyore- | beary: something non-kde? :) |
| 19:43.20 | beardy | eeyore-: No.. it's quite nice though. |
| 19:43.32 | beardy | eeyore-: You donät need kde, just the libs. |
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| 19:43.53 | abrotman | !-dev |
| 19:43.56 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 19:44.03 | Zvpun | eeyore-: I want to check if the TrueType fonts are installed correctly. |
| 19:44.07 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 19:44.08 | gromgull | so... after i apt-get update'd udev my keyboard doesnt work IFF i boot with an external monitor plugged into the laptop... |
| 19:44.12 | Daffy-PKF | abrotman> its a package build with make-jpkg |
| 19:44.17 | Zvpun | eeyore-: I dont know how to find them with xfontsel |
| 19:44.29 | abrotman | Daffy-PKF: oh .. dpkg -I <pkg> .. i think |
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| 19:44.39 | pumpkin0 | daffy-pkf: search the .deb-file and run dpkg -i |
| 19:44.53 | Daffy-PKF | abrotman> thanks |
| 19:44.54 | abrotman | Daffy-PKF: yes .. dpkg -I |
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| 19:45.14 | beardy | eeyore-: But there may be, apt-cache search stars, or starchart perhaps. |
| 19:45.15 | ntrs_ | stew, can I use wildcards like this: echo bind* hold | dpkg --set-selections ? |
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| 19:45.33 | Daffy-PKF | pumpkin0> its already installed, i just want to know the dependencies, so i can tell a friend what he needs |
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| 19:45.52 | stew | ntrs_: i don't think so, but you could do it with an awk script pretty easily |
| 19:45.59 | ntrs_ | ok |
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| 19:46.11 | Estes | Allright... after some look at the situation, i *KNOW* my soundcard driver is snd-intel8x0 if i modprobe it, it loads and it's listed everywhere as beeing the good driver for this card. so i modprobe it and i got no sound... so i start alsaconf with won't find my card.... Any idea on what's going on ? i see it in lspci... |
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| 19:46.24 | abrotman | Daffy-PKF: apt-cache show <pkg> didn't work though ? |
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| 19:46.40 | Daffy-PKF | abrotman> maybe... i try |
| 19:46.55 | gromgull | did updating udev in testing break anything for anyone lately? |
| 19:46.56 | abrotman | Daffy-PKF: i just thought that if you were to dpkg -i a package .. that it would add it to the apt-cache .. but who knows |
| 19:47.06 | Zvpun | Estes: make sure i810_audio isnt loaded |
| 19:47.06 | abrotman | s/in testing// |
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| 19:47.25 | Daffy-PKF | abrotman> you're right, it works, good to know |
| 19:47.27 | Estes | gromgull, yes, it does and the guy did it intentionnaly |
| 19:47.31 | abrotman | Daffy-PKF: yay .. carry on |
| 19:47.33 | Estes | Zvpun, lemme look |
| 19:47.36 | Zvpun | Estes: quit X if your window manager uses sound, then remove the oss driver and start alsaconf |
| 19:47.41 | wildkarde | which app is better for font management on debian? defoma or xfs? |
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| 19:47.53 | IVS | ng |
| 19:47.53 | Zvpun | Estes: I dont know the name for sure, check if soundcore is used |
| 19:48.17 | abrotman | wildkarde: i htink defoma is the way forward .. but try them both ? |
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| 19:48.47 | nvz | ah, full power :P |
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| 19:48.56 | IVS | I'm having devfs problems, where can i find docs on how it should be setup under Debian? |
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| 19:49.01 | gromgull | estes, what? he broke it on purpose? |
| 19:49.09 | nvz | went like 10 hours without power today |
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| 19:49.49 | Estes | gromgull, look at bugs.debian.org and then follow the link to his blog |
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| 19:49.55 | smokerfat | Q: I looked and there are many php module types available... Installing one after the other simply appends features without conflict?? |
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| 19:50.10 | Estes | gromgull, he considers that testing beeing "testing" it's not supposed to work... |
| 19:50.11 | abrotman | smokerfat: that's the idea |
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| 19:50.30 | smokerfat | interesting indeed |
| 19:50.36 | wildkarde | the fonts on my machine were fine. set to one of the xfonts-artwiz. after rebooting the pc, the fonts set to bitstream 12 |
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| 19:50.42 | darkcmd | hi |
| 19:50.43 | wildkarde | why? anyway to fix it back? |
| 19:50.46 | gromgull | ah, how nice of him |
| 19:50.46 | abrotman | smokerfat: it's all the different php4 modules .. all in separate packages .. makes it nice so that you don't have stuff installed that oyu don't need (and possible security vulns for stuff you don't use) |
| 19:50.57 | Zvpun | Estes: who is the guy, where is his blog? |
| 19:51.03 | Estes | gromgull, but working on a package, i was using testing for my desktop.... result, for now i give up on the package until i can work on testing again... |
| 19:51.04 | smokerfat | But, if I wanted a dirty source compile, what are the main steps? |
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| 19:51.13 | stew | smokerfat: /msg dpkg source |
| 19:51.23 | Estes | Zvpun, look at the bug list for udev package |
| 19:51.37 | abrotman | smokerfat: but unless you ahve a pretty good reason .. it's normally a waste fo time |
| 19:51.37 | smokerfat | I did that, seemed confusing. I'll look at it again... for now, thanks for the help guys. |
| 19:51.37 | Estes | somewhere in the reactions, there's his link |
| 19:51.39 | quickdone | hm electricity on wooden stocks never will work in 200km/h storms |
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| 19:51.47 | Estes | where it shows it was on purpose |
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| 19:51.55 | Estes | this guys is a damn bastard |
| 19:52.00 | Estes | guy * |
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| 19:52.20 | Estes | Zvpun, ok, will do this |
| 19:52.23 | Estes | gotta stop X |
| 19:52.24 | abrotman | wtf ? |
| 19:52.28 | Estes | bbs so |
| 19:52.29 | abrotman | S|P|i|D|e|R: say what? |
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| 19:52.32 | Estes | hi abrotman |
| 19:52.38 | abrotman | Estes: afternoon |
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| 19:52.45 | nvz | I took apart an lcd today thinking I could play with the backlight and found 6 layers of plastic I cant for the life of me get to light up :P |
| 19:52.59 | abrotman | nvz: use a lightbulb |
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| 19:53.06 | Estes | bbs, stopping X to try having alsaconf seeing my snd card |
| 19:53.08 | Zvpun | Estes: cant find the link to the blog |
| 19:53.23 | Zvpun | Estes: dont forget to remove the oss module |
| 19:53.25 | wildkarde | damn font is a pain in the ass on debian |
| 19:53.38 | abrotman | !fonts |
| 19:53.38 | dpkg | i heard fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html and http://www.justlinux.com/bin/feature/story.pl?fid=1861565 or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 19:53.52 | Gnea | abrotman: recompiling the kernel now, not holding out any hope tho |
| 19:54.07 | abrotman | Gnea: could be .. the PS/2 jack is toast on the machine ? |
| 19:54.09 | wildkarde | awesome, thx |
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| 19:54.13 | ramzez | hello people |
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| 19:54.45 | Estes | Zvpun, hold on, i'll find it for you... the guy has set a dependancy on kernel 2.6.12 |
| 19:54.48 | petekaz | Q: Is there a way to modify what a locally installed package 'Provides' without rebuilding the entire package? I built emacs-snapshot on my sarge box, and have it installed. I run into some problems when I want to install python-mode pkg as it depends on emacs21 vs emacsen. So is there some way for me to provide emacs21 with my local pkg via some config? |
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| 19:54.59 | abrotman | Estes: because the udev *requires* 2.6.12 |
| 19:55.06 | abrotman | or that version does anyways |
| 19:55.16 | Zvpun | !font guide |
| 19:55.16 | dpkg | i guess font guide is bob2's Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 19:55.23 | Gnea | abrotman: hrm, just out of the blue like that? |
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| 19:55.29 | abrotman | Gnea: it's happened to me |
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| 19:55.49 | S|P|i|D|e|R | !font root |
| 19:55.53 | stew | !fonts =~ s#and http://www.justlinux.com/bin/feature/story.pl?fid=1861565 ## |
| 19:55.54 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 19:56.00 | stew | (dead link) |
| 19:56.00 | abrotman | Gnea: you could try a liveCD ? |
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| 19:56.08 | Estes | abrotman, it does, but he made a breakage |
| 19:56.15 | Estes | Zvpun, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317332 |
| 19:56.20 | Zvpun | Estes: thanks |
| 19:56.24 | Gnea | abrotman: so, if i load psmouse.ko and udev doesn't generate a device file for it, either /dev/psaux nor /dev/input/mice.... |
| 19:56.27 | Estes | Zvpun, http://blog.bofh.it/id_91 |
| 19:56.27 | stew | Estes: what was his alternative? |
| 19:56.31 | Gnea | abrotman: but check this out |
| 19:56.38 | Gnea | abrotman: the mouse is actually a usb mouse |
| 19:56.43 | abrotman | uhoh |
| 19:56.49 | smagy2 | hello folks, i am using sarge. have nis running. there is a user id corruption that i don't know how to solve. disc (user) : uid=100(sshd) gid=101(devel) groups=65534(nogroup) |
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| 19:56.53 | gromgull | yes, reading through his replies on other bugs as well - he does seem to be a complete ass hole... |
| 19:56.54 | ramzez | I don't understand why, but it seems that my locales are not well set. I often get LANG and LC_ALL to POSIX, but I set it to ut8. What's happenning ? |
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| 19:57.04 | Gnea | abrotman: with a usb->ps2 adaptor - so if i plug it into the usb port, the usb finds it, but again, it fails to setup the device node file |
| 19:57.07 | smagy2 | and id of sshd is |
| 19:57.07 | smagy2 | u |
| 19:57.19 | abrotman | Gnea: usb mouse needs an additional module it hink |
| 19:57.19 | smagy2 | uid=100(sshd) gid=65534(nogroup) groups=65534(nogroup) |
| 19:57.20 | Rickyx | Does changing $TERM to sometging stupid cause any harm ? |
| 19:57.28 | Rickyx | s/sometging/something |
| 19:57.32 | nvz | Gnea: are you plugging in the mouse before you turn on the computer? |
| 19:57.32 | smagy2 | i would appreciate some help with this. |
| 19:57.33 | Gnea | abrotman: yes, like usbhid and hiddev - those get loaded just fine |
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| 19:57.54 | Gnea | nvz: no, i plugged usb portion in after it was booted up |
| 19:57.59 | stew | Estes: are you suggesting that debian should never get a udev newer than 0.059 ? |
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| 19:58.19 | Estes | stew, good question on this, the fact is we had a break maybe it's not *his* fault, maybe a system should hold packages that can create breakages and asks to the person upgrading if he wants or not to upgrade this knowing this will result to those definates problems |
| 19:58.21 | nvz | Gnea: ps/2 is not a hot-pluggable interface if no ps/2 mouse is present when the machine turns on, you cant just add one |
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| 19:58.22 | abrotman | Gnea: you have usbmgr or hotplug installed ? |
| 19:58.29 | Gnea | abrotman: hotplug |
| 19:58.29 | SlayerXP | udev is for idiots. |
| 19:58.39 | Gnea | SlayerXP: piss off. |
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| 19:58.44 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:58.47 | nvz | idiots are for udev |
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| 19:58.54 | drac | SlayerXP: 2.6.13 doesn't have devfs anymore *sigh* |
| 19:58.58 | SlayerXP | Gnea: my point exactly :) |
| 19:59.01 | ^J^ | :) |
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| 19:59.09 | stew | Estes: it does that, it won't install udev > 060 until you have 2.6.12 installed |
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| 19:59.16 | SlayerXP | drac: now all we need to do is kill everyone associated with udev, too |
| 19:59.23 | abrotman | Gnea: and dmesg sees it? |
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| 19:59.28 | Gnea | SlayerXP: how about a nice glass of go-fuck-yourself? :) |
| 19:59.35 | gromgull | drac: yes so did I discover... |
| 19:59.50 | Recluxus | hi i'm going to netinstall sarge |
| 19:59.54 | SlayerXP | Gnea: sure, and let me help you with a cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP |
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| 19:59.56 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 19:59.56 | Estes | stew, problem beeing the dependancies, it stuck the whole thing... not an easy thing.... |
| 19:59.59 | Recluxus | can i do it on a pcmcia network card |
| 19:59.59 | abrotman | !d-i Recluxus |
| 20:00.00 | dpkg | Recluxus, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:00.00 | Recluxus | ?? |
| 20:00.02 | Gnea | abrotman: yeah, usb 3-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 20:00.03 | ogzy | hi, is there a practical way to install debian to the pcs in a lab at the sam time? |
| 20:00.10 | abrotman | Recluxus: you can . not all of the work but you can |
| 20:00.10 | stew | Estes: he cannot make a package dependency on a 2.6.12 kernel becuase we don't require that you install a kernel from a package |
| 20:00.11 | drac | It's not that bad, hal+udev+dbus with upcoming hotpluggable input devices in X <3 |
| 20:00.13 | SlayerXP | ogzy: pxe |
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| 20:00.18 | abrotman | !tell ogzy about fai |
| 20:00.20 | abrotman | !tell ogzy about dphys |
| 20:00.21 | Estes | stew, anyhow, brb, gotta stop X to check if alsaconf will be a bit nicer to me |
| 20:00.23 | Gnea | SlayerXP: dude, don't forget about /ignore |
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| 20:00.26 | SlayerXP | ogzy: actually pxe + fai |
| 20:00.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: i used it! |
| 20:00.32 | Recluxus | i mean is it going to load the driver at installation |
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| 20:00.41 | Recluxus | or i have to do it explicitly |
| 20:00.42 | nvz | SlayerXP: http://www.photopost.com/photopost/data/500/medium/107698Gerbil_Stomper.JPG gnea, when you piss him off |
| 20:00.43 | abrotman | Recluxus: depending on the NIC .. it hsould be ok |
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| 20:00.53 | Gnea | nvz: is that work-safe? |
| 20:00.55 | Estes | stew he made a dependancy on the kernel |
| 20:01.01 | stew | Estes: right |
| 20:01.01 | Recluxus | abrotman, NIC ? |
| 20:01.05 | abrotman | Gnea: yes it is |
| 20:01.07 | abrotman | !nic |
| 20:01.07 | dpkg | from memory, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
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| 20:01.08 | Estes | maybe he could simply have suggested it ? |
| 20:01.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: you used what, it? |
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| 20:01.24 | stew | Estes: and allow a udev that won't work to be installed? |
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| 20:01.27 | Recluxus | abrotman, it is a linksys |
| 20:01.28 | abrotman | Estes: if you don't like it .. complain to him .. but quite frankly .. he'll probably just tell you to piss off |
| 20:01.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: dphys |
| 20:01.32 | Recluxus | PCMCIA ethernet |
| 20:01.36 | abrotman | PCM100 ? |
| 20:01.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: and how was it? version 3 with dphys-config? |
| 20:01.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: not me .. the factoid :) |
| 20:02.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: or just the d-i part of it for non-interactive installs? |
| 20:02.01 | SlayerXP | nvz: http://www.hinterlands.org/me.jpg |
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| 20:02.06 | SlayerXP | me, most of the time |
| 20:02.13 | abrotman | SlayerXP: you look familiar :) |
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| 20:02.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: ah nice, i've migrated like all 150 clients to sarge now |
| 20:02.23 | gromgull | !udev |
| 20:02.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 20:02.25 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 20:02.35 | abrotman | SlayerXP: you don't live around philly do you(or did at one time) |
| 20:02.35 | Estes | abrotman, i'm not looking for making a problem, i just say some people had problem from this, meaning maybe an other solution could have been used or maybe something could be added in the package system to prevent this |
| 20:02.36 | gromgull | that's the bottom line then :) |
| 20:02.36 | tenco | hi, i have problems with mingw32 and linking |
| 20:02.38 | SlayerXP | abrotman: to whom? |
| 20:02.42 | Estes | but well |
| 20:02.42 | abrotman | SlayerXP: to me |
| 20:02.42 | Recluxus | abrotman, don't have any clue about it |
| 20:02.54 | abrotman | Recluxus: flip the PCMCIA card over .. should have a model number |
| 20:02.57 | tenco | can someone please help me? |
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| 20:03.01 | stew | Estes: what could he have added to the pacakge to prevent this? |
| 20:03.03 | SlayerXP | abrotman: you poor bastard |
| 20:03.07 | abrotman | SlayerXP: no? |
| 20:03.13 | scx | * scx sais: hello |
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| 20:03.23 | Recluxus | ok then see ya |
| 20:03.26 | Estes | stew, i dono, it's something i'll think about |
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| 20:03.29 | tenco | i have problems with mingw32 and linking |
| 20:03.36 | Estes | anyhow, as i said, bbs |
| 20:03.38 | Estes | :) |
| 20:03.43 | SlayerXP | abrotman: I've never knowlingly seen a picture of you |
| 20:03.53 | abrotman | SlayerXP: i meant .. have you ever lived around philly ? |
| 20:03.58 | Gnea | abrotman: lunchtime :) |
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| 20:04.05 | abrotman | Gnea: you eat a lot |
| 20:04.10 | SlayerXP | abrotman: i've never been to the states. |
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| 20:04.13 | gromgull | question unrelated to udev: i've got a samba share I'd like to mount, Iv'e added it to /etc/fstab, with the user option, and the mount-point is writable by the user, still I get "cannot mount on /mnt/blah, operation not permitted" what else do I need? |
| 20:04.15 | abrotman | SlayerXP: nevermind then :) |
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| 20:05.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: ever used nethack? |
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| 20:05.18 | abrotman | the game? |
| 20:05.26 | abrotman | !tell m0rtix-BNC about away |
| 20:05.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah, there's more than the game? |
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| 20:05.53 | nvz | don |
| 20:05.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: the adventure! |
| 20:05.56 | nvz | 't answer that |
| 20:05.56 | Recluxus | abrotman, dunno it says only WPC54G |
| 20:06.15 | abrotman | Recluxus: oh .. it's wifi ? |
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| 20:06.17 | S|P|i|D|e|R | !commands |
| 20:06.20 | Recluxus | yep |
| 20:06.25 | abrotman | S|P|i|D|e|R: what? |
| 20:06.25 | Recluxus | wireless ethernet |
| 20:06.26 | stew | S|P|i|D|e|R: /msg dpkg help |
| 20:06.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried any of them? |
| 20:06.43 | SlayerXP | S|P|i|D|e|R: congrats, you win the Really Stupid Nickname Contest |
| 20:06.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: not in a long time |
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| 20:06.56 | abrotman | SlayerXP: and ident name too |
| 20:07.07 | SlayerXP | !nickmeter S|P|i|D|e|R |
| 20:07.08 | dpkg | S|P|i|D|e|R is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
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| 20:07.15 | SlayerXP | thought so |
| 20:07.19 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:07.24 | Recluxus | abrotman, so it seems that i cannot get IP during installation , or I |
| 20:07.29 | nvz | ~person |
| 20:07.30 | apt | well, person is like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle |
| 20:07.30 | abrotman | Recluxus: wifi ? |
| 20:07.35 | Recluxus | abauer, yep |
| 20:07.41 | Recluxus | abrotman, yep |
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| 20:08.06 | abrotman | Recluxus: hrm .. i'm going to say probably not since it's a G card |
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| 20:08.33 | abrotman | Recluxus: the majority of G cards are not supported initially but can be made to work |
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| 20:08.40 | abrotman | !punich broadcom |
| 20:08.43 | nvz | must be a bot. |
| 20:08.43 | abrotman | punish too |
| 20:08.45 | BusMaster | i just built a vanilla 2.6.13 kernel with make config;make dep clean bzImage; make modules and make modules_install. When I try to boot it, it get a message, "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" what should I do? |
| 20:08.52 | Recluxus | abrotman, sureley they will |
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| 20:09.05 | abrotman | Recluxus: do you have another wired NIC ? |
| 20:09.19 | Recluxus | abrotman, yep i'll try the cable |
| 20:09.27 | Recluxus | abrotman, thanks a lot |
| 20:09.28 | abrotman | Recluxus: good plan :) |
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| 20:09.42 | abrotman | Recluxus: sorry ..i blame broadcom :) |
| 20:09.47 | Recluxus | abrotman, ohh by the way , does sarge include the x.org ?? |
| 20:09.54 | SlayerXP | BusMaster: you forgot to include support for the device your root fs device, or root fs file system, or your compiled support as a module rather than statically in the kernel |
| 20:09.59 | abrotman | Recluxus: no .. but you can unofficially install it |
| 20:10.06 | abrotman | !tell Recluxus about xorg sarge |
| 20:10.07 | stew | Recluxus: no, but: /topic |
| 20:10.22 | abrotman | can you use regex with listkeys ? |
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| 20:10.23 | gromgull | so now i've removed udev... what will now happen when I boot my 2.6.13 kernel? |
| 20:10.34 | stew | Recluxus: in general, unless you specifically need a driver that hasn't been backported to xfree, you probably won't notice a difference switching to xorg |
| 20:10.47 | abrotman | oh .. super big bonus that i didn't know about! |
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| 20:11.01 | abrotman | gromgull: well .. with no devfs .. probably nothing exciting :) |
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| 20:11.04 | Caelum | gromgull: you'll use your normal /dev. udev makes a copy |
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| 20:11.13 | Recluxus | stew, ubuntu chose it months ago |
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| 20:11.14 | BusMaster | SlayerXP, Hmm...my root fs is ext2 and I've built in support for it, not as a module...but this hard-disk is shown on my stock kernel as /dev/sda4 (its a SATA disk). I think i might have messed up with sata support. how do I check it? |
| 20:11.17 | abrotman | Caelum: 2.6.13 dioesn't have devfs support |
| 20:11.21 | Yulia | now i am on 2.6.12-1-386 precompiled and no problem. I cp *.fw firmware to directory, module-assistant a-i ipw2200, module-assistant a-i ieee80211 and built *.deb, dpkg -i and all right. but i have a problem with ipw2200 and kernel 2.6.13.2. i am said this:http://pastebin.com/378083. Any help? |
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| 20:11.39 | Caelum | abrotman: this is probably a good thing |
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| 20:11.45 | abrotman | Caelum: debatable |
| 20:11.56 | SlayerXP | BusMaster: boot to your old kernel and then recheck the kernel config |
| 20:12.05 | stew | Recluxus: yes, most if not all distros switched long ago. its in what will be the next debian release |
| 20:12.31 | Anandamide | hello |
| 20:12.47 | BusMaster | SlayerXP, the old kernel is 2.6.10. if I do a diff in the configs, I get a _lot_ of differences...is there a keyword I should be looking for? |
| 20:12.54 | Caelum | abrotman: from what I hear, devfs has been deprecated for years now |
| 20:13.02 | Recluxus | stew, yep I prefer debian had made the first move because of the licence thing about xfree86 |
| 20:13.09 | abrotman | Caelum: but still used .. and udev isn't all that great of an alternative |
| 20:13.14 | Recluxus | stew, it will be a late move then |
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| 20:13.19 | SlayerXP | BusMaster: without specific knowledge of your hardware setup, I cannot say |
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| 20:13.25 | Anandamide | i have a USB 1GB flash pen that doesnt get detected |
| 20:13.33 | abrotman | Recluxus: debian/stable operates differently than most linux distros |
| 20:13.34 | Caelum | udev is not very easy to configure |
| 20:13.38 | abrotman | !tell Anandamide about usbstorage |
| 20:13.48 | stew | Recluxus: there is no license problems with the xfree version in debian |
| 20:13.54 | stew | s/is/are/ |
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| 20:14.10 | abrotman | Caelum: i haven't tried to configure it .. i just use it :) |
| 20:14.18 | pem3v78 | BusMaster: what does 'lspci' say about sata ? |
| 20:14.30 | FarrisG | I have about 40 users, and each user has a ~/.archive/ directory. I want to periodically burn all of the files in .archive dirs to DVD and remove them from disk. I also want to keep an east-to-reference index of what's on what disk. Is there any exisiting backup tool that will allow me to do something similar? |
| 20:14.30 | Recluxus | stew, I heard that they made a change in licence agreement but dunno the details |
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| 20:14.46 | stew | Recluxus: yes, they did, xfree 4.4 is not considered free by debian |
| 20:14.56 | stew | Recluxus: but debian has been backporting fixes into 4.3 |
| 20:14.58 | Gathond | Recluxus: they did, but that change does not affect the sarge version as that is an earlier version |
| 20:15.03 | S|P|i|D|e|R | /s -m irc.princatchat.com |
| 20:15.12 | chealer | stew, you mean non-free, right? |
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| 20:15.18 | chealer | oops |
| 20:15.23 | BusMaster | pem3v78, nothing |
| 20:15.24 | Recluxus | stew, abrotman besides the main improvement will be on x.org I guess, and debian has to catch it |
| 20:15.32 | pem3v78 | fonts in xmms options is so small, any hints ? |
| 20:15.47 | SlayerXP | pem3v78: buy a magnifying glass. |
| 20:15.53 | S|P|i|D|e|R | /s -m irc.princatchat.com |
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| 20:15.54 | pem3v78 | :) |
| 20:16.01 | chealer | I think I *just* understood why some people write "not" as "*not*" in english |
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| 20:16.12 | stew | how darwinian |
| 20:16.15 | Caelum | pem3v78: you can change the font it uses in settings |
| 20:16.21 | pem3v78 | it's something with the gth fonts |
| 20:16.30 | pem3v78 | gtk |
| 20:16.52 | BusMaster | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA is not set; CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE is not set. Could that be an issue? |
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| 20:17.13 | pem3v78 | There's no setting for this font, the other two change a font for sth else |
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| 20:17.35 | Caelum | pem3v78: if not using gnome to configure fonts, read about .gtkrc on the web |
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| 20:18.48 | Anandamide | 'dinsmod: can't read 'sd_mod': No such file or directory' what do i need to reinstall? |
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| 20:19.08 | Caelum | pem3v78: my .gtkrc-2.0 looks like: http://channels.debian.net/paste/806 (using the spherecrystal theme) |
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| 20:20.14 | cevizoglu | bob2, are you there? |
| 20:20.15 | Spermite | anyone ever have a problem with kde headers? |
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| 20:20.58 | Caelum | pem3v78: xmms uses gtk 1.2 though, so you have to write a separate .gtkrc for it, and gnome uses yet a different file if you use that... |
| 20:21.06 | Spermite | im getting. KDE... configure: error: In the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. |
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| 20:22.29 | cheal | Spermite: ask #debian-kde |
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| 20:23.03 | FM4 | Hi there, ... is a technical question about debian ok here? I've got a problem.. |
| 20:23.11 | cheal | FM4: yes |
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| 20:24.16 | FM4 | cheal: The debian system is located on a shared host system (Virtuozzo) and ran perfect up 'til now.. |
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| 20:25.12 | FM4 | cheal: since yesterday I'm not able to log in using SSH anymore - I retrieve the msg.: Server refused to allocate pty |
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| 20:25.26 | FM4 | cheal: and: "stdin: is not a tty" |
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| 20:25.47 | pem3v78 | what gtk application can I run to check this theme potential ? |
| 20:25.56 | cheal | FM4: I didn't say *I* was going to be able to help you |
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| 20:26.06 | FM4 | sorry :) |
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| 20:26.51 | FM4 | So once more and in short to all: Does anyone know about the Errormsg. "stdin: is not a tty" when trying to login through SSH? |
| 20:27.02 | FM4 | would be great :) |
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| 20:27.18 | mtnman | fm4: plug your error msg into a google search |
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| 20:27.27 | FM4 | I did |
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| 20:28.06 | FM4 | but it did not return useable answers (unfortunately) .. 'til now I could solve nearly ev'ry problem with google ;) |
| 20:28.07 | abrotman | that's a good error though :) |
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| 20:28.17 | abrotman | bah .. stupid bots! |
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| 20:28.34 | stew | FM4: what are you doing when you get that message? |
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| 20:28.46 | stew | FM4: you probably just need a -t |
| 20:28.47 | abrotman | trying to login ? |
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| 20:29.01 | FM4 | trying to login, right. |
| 20:29.05 | FM4 | through SSH |
| 20:29.21 | stew | FM4: so you are at machine A and type: "ssh machineB"? thats it? |
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| 20:29.44 | FM4 | a few days ago it worked - I'm not aware of any changes of the configuration |
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| 20:30.20 | FM4 | nearly - I use PuTTY and I'm using the port 53 instead of 22 (don't hit me - this was nessecary ;-) ) |
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| 20:30.39 | mtnman | fm4: try this link: http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2004-07/1381.shtml |
| 20:30.46 | stew | FM4: you are using PuTTY on a windows box or a debian box? |
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| 20:31.08 | FM4 | unfortunately on a windows box, but on my Mac there's not difference at all |
| 20:31.22 | FM4 | I'm reading it mtnman, just a moment :) |
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| 20:32.32 | FM4 | the problem is - it's not just an error msg for information, it prevents me from logging in because it closes the connection |
| 20:32.37 | cwood | Question: Anybody else having any trouble getting good connectivity to a Debian mirror? I'm not certain if it's just me, or if there's another problem. |
| 20:32.49 | abrotman | apt-setup |
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| 20:33.02 | mtnman | fm4: did you read that link? |
| 20:33.03 | FM4 | the second message is "Server refused to allocate pty" |
| 20:33.07 | Masonary | Hey guys, ive downloaded the debian iso, but ive never actualy created a bootable debian cd from linux. For some reason ive never gotten around to cd writing in linux. How can I make a bootable cd in linux, from command line (cdrecord?) |
| 20:33.08 | FM4 | yes, I did |
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| 20:33.26 | abrotman | Masonary: cdrecord is one way |
| 20:33.31 | mtnman | masonary: if i were you, i'd reat the howto at tldp.org |
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| 20:33.35 | mtnman | reaed |
| 20:33.37 | mtnman | read! |
| 20:33.43 | stew | FM4: if it works from your mac but not windows, i doubt its a debian problem |
| 20:33.44 | pem3v78 | how can I see contents of package ? |
| 20:33.56 | abrotman | pem3v78: dpkg -L package |
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| 20:34.04 | abrotman | pem3v78: assuming it's installed .. |
| 20:34.05 | stew | pem3v78: if its installed dpkg -L packagename, if not apt-file list pkgname |
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| 20:34.22 | FM4 | stew: Sorry if I misspelled it, but It's not working from my Mac and from Windows .. both refuse the login |
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| 20:34.36 | pem3v78 | thanks |
| 20:34.42 | stew | FM4: does ssh work from the mac? |
| 20:34.43 | Masonary | abrotman, one way? mtnman, looking now (though link might speed things up) |
| 20:34.51 | FM4 | stew: no :( |
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| 20:34.53 | mtnman | tldp.org |
| 20:34.59 | abrotman | Masonary: there are many ways to burn an iso |
| 20:35.06 | abrotman | fire is a good one! .. ahahahahahaha |
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| 20:35.27 | Masonary | abrotman, nearly laughed at that |
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| 20:35.34 | stew | FM4: does "ssh localhost" work from the ssh server? |
| 20:35.35 | Masonary | mtnman, found it, never fear |
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| 20:35.38 | abrotman | it's ok .. i wouldn't laugh either |
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| 20:35.51 | CrippsFX | sarge is the current stable branch of debian, right? |
| 20:36.00 | Masonary | abrotman, no no, its sooo, err, original...... |
| 20:36.00 | mtnman | crippsfx: correct |
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| 20:36.03 | loocek | how to check IP of local computer as normal user ? |
| 20:36.04 | CrippsFX | excellent. |
| 20:36.12 | abrotman | loocek: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
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| 20:36.18 | Masonary | loocek, what abrotman said |
| 20:36.20 | FM4 | stew: I can't do that, the server's located approx. 800 km's from me.. |
| 20:36.32 | CrippsFX | loocek, how to use proper grammar when talking to real people. |
| 20:36.36 | stew | FM4: does ssh -t work from the mac? |
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| 20:37.24 | loocek | CrippsFX: sorry for my english, correct my question ... |
| 20:37.24 | abrotman | dpkg: love cevizoglu |
| 20:37.27 | stew | cevizoglu: /msg dpkg hi |
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| 20:38.06 | Esp1 | Hi, my mouse dont work.....i do get an cursor, and have tried 2x ps2 mouse and one usb mouse, but no luck......any ideas? |
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| 20:38.23 | blah123 | hey |
| 20:38.28 | cevizoglu | stew: yes, that is indeed what I was referring to |
| 20:38.43 | blah123 | if I wanted to update to debian testing would I just change stable to testing in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 20:38.45 | stew | cevizoglu: do you have emacs installed? M-x doctor |
| 20:38.45 | abrotman | !2.6mouse |
| 20:38.48 | abrotman | !2.6 mouse |
| 20:38.49 | dpkg | methinks 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules and choose mouse device /dev/input/mice and mouse type ExplorerPS/2. See http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 20:38.54 | cevizoglu | stew: eliza sucks |
| 20:39.06 | xzu | stew++ -for hinting that debian has a weird ass versioning scheme for packages |
| 20:39.11 | stew | cevizoglu: why is it that you say eliza sucks? |
| 20:39.16 | blah123 | anyone? |
| 20:39.16 | mtnman | blah123: that is the general idea. /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 20:39.17 | Esp1 | thanx |
| 20:39.22 | blah123 | htanks |
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| 20:39.32 | cevizoglu | stew: because it does? eliza's SO 80's |
| 20:39.34 | stew | xzu: did I? |
| 20:39.42 | quickdone | blah123: yust try |
| 20:39.52 | stew | cevizoglu: is it becuase eliza's is SO 80's that you are talking to me? |
| 20:39.57 | FM4 | stew: no, sorry, .. ssh -t didn't work |
| 20:40.10 | stew | FM4: same error? |
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| 20:41.51 | xzu | stew: sort of, i was harassing you guys how i should install a firefox 1.07 pkg, ppl started hinting at pinning or backports, but when i looked closer -after you hinted at sarge not being able/allowed to bump up the version/release/watchacallit of packages i noticed the security patches i wanted to get by going to 1.0.7 were already in 1.0.4-2sarge3 :) |
| 20:42.24 | cevizoglu | stew: wow, you've passed the reverse turing test! |
| 20:42.27 | stew | xzu: 1.0.6 is in sarge3 but 1.0.7 isn't yet |
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| 20:43.19 | boxerboy29 | good evening all i have libranet2.8 i did apt-get update and all it does it update the sources i was told not to change anything to debian but sarge sources are there already is it safe to apt-get upgrade? |
| 20:43.20 | sandman | Does anyone know why for some reason alt+tab would stop working, as well as my mouse? |
| 20:43.30 | sandman | But other keyboard commands would continue to work ,like alt+F2 to run a new program? |
| 20:43.31 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 20:43.31 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 20:43.33 | Yoe | sandman: what window manager? |
| 20:43.36 | sandman | Yoe: metacity |
| 20:43.44 | xzu | stew: ha boggle, why does "apt-get update && apt-get -u upgrade" not suggest me to upgrade to 1.0.6? |
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| 20:44.28 | xzu | stew: i'm a debian/apt newbie if you had not noticed ;) |
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| 20:45.03 | asperon | are there any known problems with the latest sarge pack of cyrus? i just upgraded my system to sarge and i get a permission error when cyrus is trying to read its settings, but it has all the permissions it needs |
| 20:45.06 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
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| 20:45.23 | stew | xzu: the fact that 1.0.4-2sarge3 is really 1.0.6 is a rarity. there will be a 1.0.4-2sarge4 sometime soon, which will be either 1.0.7 or 1.0.6 with the security bits of 1.0.7 backported into 1.0.6. its just ready yet |
| 20:45.26 | sobersabre | ssh q: i use many hosts forwarded via localhost ( ssh tunnels ) |
| 20:45.39 | stew | err, just *not ready yet |
| 20:45.47 | xzu | stew: aha |
| 20:45.49 | sobersabre | if I do so, the host keys are stored into known_hosts |
| 20:46.12 | Yoe | sandman: err, not much experience with that one |
| 20:46.20 | stew | asperon: if there was a problem it would be in the bts /msg dpkg bts ; but i kinda doubt it |
| 20:46.25 | sobersabre | and if I connect once to localhost which is forward to host1 and then to host2 in the same manner i get the watning: man in the middle attack etc. |
| 20:46.27 | valdyn | asperon: did you read the bts? |
| 20:46.33 | xzu | ah sht, i glanced an thought all sec bits of 1.0.7 were in 1.0.4.2sarge3 |
| 20:46.34 | sobersabre | what can be done with this ? |
| 20:46.34 | asperon | no, whats the bts? |
| 20:46.36 | FM4 | stew: sorry for delay, I tried it again -> same message from the mac with -t: "stdin: is not a tty" |
| 20:46.44 | valdyn | !tell asperon -about bts |
| 20:47.10 | FM4 | stew: the fact that I did not chance anything the last months keeps me thinking ... |
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| 20:47.31 | Masonary | abrotman, besides fire and cdrecord, how else can I make a bootable cd. I have the debian iso, but the guide on tldp says that I have to add a bootable floppy image at the start of an iso. Easy if i was making the iso from scratch, but the iso is allready created. How do I get around this, extract the iso somehow? |
| 20:47.33 | sobersabre | I think to clear the host's entry in known_hosts is bad. is there a way not to store the host key ? to ignore it ? |
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| 20:47.45 | abrotman | Masonary: fire is not a program .. it was a joke |
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| 20:47.58 | danieldg | sobersabre: connect to 127.0.0.1 for one host, 127.0.0.2 for the next, ... |
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| 20:48.02 | abrotman | Masonary: what ISO are you burnning? |
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| 20:48.24 | sobersabre | danieldg, hm... this is idea... |
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| 20:48.27 | stew | slowone: what danieldg said, or add multiple entries into /etc/hosts if you want to use names |
| 20:48.36 | Masonary | abrotman, i know, i was joking back. And its the debian installation disk, err,debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 20:48.41 | sobersabre | any way to ignore the file ? |
| 20:48.51 | abrotman | Masonary: nope .. just burn it .. |
| 20:49.05 | abrotman | Masonary: though .. if oyu have broadband .. the net-inst is recommended |
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| 20:49.07 | sobersabre | danieldg, by "this is idea" i meant "nice idea" |
| 20:49.30 | Masonary | abrotman, the box im installing it on is a laptop thats practicaly gas powered. No network, no usb for an ethernet adapter |
| 20:49.30 | sobersabre | don't i have to configure lo1,lo2 etc ? |
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| 20:49.46 | Sebz | Hey... I was wondering if anybody know drivers for PCI Serial Ports (2x) like the VScom PCI-200LP? |
| 20:49.49 | abrotman | Masonary: oh .. lovely .. are you burning the ISO in windows or linux ?> |
| 20:49.52 | Masonary | abrotman, if I was doing it on this box, id do a network install |
| 20:49.57 | stew | FM4: could your shell on the remote host been changed? |
| 20:49.59 | Masonary | abrotman, linux (gentoo box) |
| 20:50.10 | stew | FM4: maybe try ssh -t remotehost /bin/bash |
| 20:50.16 | abrotman | Masonary: google "linux burn ISO cdrecord" .. should give you enough |
| 20:50.19 | Masonary | abrotman, all I know of is cdrecord (from command line that is) |
| 20:50.28 | Masonary | abrotman, true dat |
| 20:50.41 | abrotman | Masonary: cdrecord can certainly burn that iso |
| 20:50.42 | Masonary | abrotman, though I have been looking and keep coming up with these guides about floppy images |
| 20:50.58 | Masonary | abrotman, it did once, but not bootable, bizarely. hence me coming here in the first plae |
| 20:51.17 | sobersabre | danieldg, and if I set StrictHostKeyChecking to "no" ... is it ... DANGEROUS ? |
| 20:51.38 | abrotman | Masonary: afaik .. $ cdrecord name.iso |
| 20:51.47 | abrotman | Masonary: with some arguments for device etc |
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| 20:52.12 | asperon | ok, nothing in the bts, when i start cyrus it begins by trying to recover the cyrus db, and then it gives me DBERROR db3: /var/lib/cyrus/db/__db.001: Permission denied. then it complains about the permissions for db/skipstamp and for mailboxes.db to. I have checked, and all the files are owned by cyrus, any clues as to why this happens? |
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| 20:53.01 | Yoe | asperon: not using ACLs or something equally non-standard? |
| 20:53.05 | Masonary | abrotman, yeah, im gonna have another go, though not sure how I could have foobared first time. Maybe it errored and I missed the message |
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| 20:53.23 | asperon | Yoe: no, not that i am aware of |
| 20:53.31 | stew | asperon: make sure cyrus is actually starting as the cyrus user? |
| 20:53.35 | abrotman | Masonary: perhaps |
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| 20:53.39 | nite613 | What filesystem type is recommended for FS's that hold lots of large files? Is journaling a good thing for disks like that, or is that more useful on small files? |
| 20:53.52 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 20:53.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 20:54.00 | nite613 | thanks |
| 20:54.13 | abrotman | nite613: the first link is "benchmarks" .. second is some articles about caveats |
| 20:54.17 | asperon | stew: i checked with top, it runs as cyrus |
| 20:54.20 | abrotman | and other articles about filesystems |
| 20:54.54 | sobersabre | how do I make ssh to create a listening port for tunnel on 127.0.0.2 ? |
| 20:55.30 | Yoe | asperon: two things I can think about right now: the db3 library might be trying to create a lockfile "somewhere else", or the db3 files might be corrupt and cyrus is misinterpreting the error condition as a permission issue |
| 20:56.07 | asperon | Yoe: ok, this lockfile, where could it be located? |
| 20:56.11 | stew | asperon: you might try to strace it |
| 20:56.20 | asperon | stew: how do i do that? |
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| 20:57.06 | Yoe | asperon: you would find it in /var/lock, or something |
| 20:57.27 | stew | asperon: if you know what exact command is failing, su to the curs user and run "strace -o /tmp/cyrus.log command" |
| 20:57.38 | stew | err su to the cyrus user... |
| 20:57.38 | Yoe | asperon: but stracing is a good idea, too |
| 20:57.43 | FM4 | stew: when specifying a shell it simply does nothing after I enter the password |
| 20:57.58 | stew | FM4: even with -t? hrm |
| 20:58.03 | Yoe | asperon, stew: either that, or try "strace -ff -o" |
| 20:58.06 | FM4 | stew: but you gave me a good hint, I'll let it reboot in repair mode and check the shells |
| 20:58.34 | ircops | hehe j/k |
| 20:58.45 | asperon | stew: and by command you mean? the line in the log or? |
| 20:58.49 | FM4 | stew: this will take some time, thanks for your help :) maybe I'll be here again later if I can't find the problem :) |
| 20:58.51 | Yoe | (-ff for "follow-fork mode"; it will then create an strace output file for every fork()ed process) |
| 20:58.59 | asperon | ok |
| 20:59.30 | Yoe | asperon: for detailed information on what strace exactly does, you're probably best of reading the man page |
| 20:59.47 | stew | Yoe: oh neato, i had only used -f before which munges it all into one file |
| 21:00.22 | Spermite | maybe one of you can HelP me with this problem. take a look at this if ur running kde, : i get this trying to compile |
| 21:00.32 | Spermite | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.49 | asperon | Yoe, stew, thnx, ill give it a shot |
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| 21:01.48 | stew | Spermite: iirc kdelibs4 is not just kdelibs, double check with #debian-kde though |
| 21:02.03 | stew | err s/not/now/ |
| 21:02.03 | Yoe | stew: yeah, that one really sucks, I know :) |
| 21:02.29 | sandman | How do I install Java in debian? |
| 21:02.33 | sandman | I want to be able to use pogo.com :) |
| 21:02.37 | stew | sandman: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 21:03.44 | M0ffe | Spermite: If that is unstable you should just install kdelibs4c2 instead |
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| 21:04.23 | cmatheson | hey guys, this is a question about vim... i want to be able to do the command 'f|D' on every line of a file... is this posible? |
| 21:04.48 | abrotman | f|D ? |
| 21:05.11 | cmatheson | abrotman: er, find '|' and then delete the rest of a ine |
| 21:05.13 | cmatheson | line |
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| 21:05.26 | abrotman | cmatheson: only one | per line ? |
| 21:05.30 | cmatheson | abrotman: yes |
| 21:05.50 | abrotman | cmatheson: :1,$ s/|*$/$/g ... maybe .. try it on a small file first |
| 21:05.55 | cmatheson | abrotman: actually, there are sometimes more than one |
| 21:05.58 | abrotman | bah! |
| 21:05.59 | eeyore- | cmatheson: :1,$s/|.*$:: |
| 21:06.15 | abrotman | if there's more than one .. |
| 21:06.19 | eeyore- | ah, :1,$s:|.*$:: |
| 21:06.20 | abrotman | uhm .. write a program? :) |
| 21:06.32 | stew | and 1,$ can be replaced with % |
| 21:06.35 | cmatheson | wow that's wild, eeyore- could you explain that? |
| 21:06.35 | abrotman | eeyore-: i like mine better! .. thoughit may not work :) |
| 21:06.45 | cmatheson | abrotman: hehe, thanks |
| 21:06.52 | abrotman | cmatheson: see what eeyore- said .. |
| 21:06.58 | cmatheson | abrotman: yeah ok |
| 21:07.04 | abrotman | but if there is more than one | per line .. it will erase after the first afaict |
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| 21:07.25 | cmatheson | abrotman: that's what i want |
| 21:07.28 | eeyore- | cmatheson: 1,$ = first line to last line, "s" = substitute, |.*$ = | then any character, up to end of line character ($), replace with nothing |
| 21:07.30 | abrotman | eeyore-: mine won't work? |
| 21:07.30 | nite613 | I'm about to work on recovering a dead ext3 FS, I'm copying the entire disk with dd conv=sync,noerror before doing it in order to be careful. Is there any benefit to using a small bs= (like 1k that I saw recommended here https://listman.redhat.com/archives/ext3-users/2002-November/msg00038.html) or will bs=8M (size of my disks buffer) be faster and just as safe? |
| 21:07.51 | eeyore- | abrotman: yours look for repeated ||||||| |
| 21:07.53 | pem3v78 | kde question: can I setup a keyboard shortcut to rolldown and rollup a specific toolbar ? |
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| 21:08.03 | cmatheson | eeyore-: oooh, ok... i guess i've used the s before just not for anything that complex |
| 21:08.05 | stew | eeyore-: you don't need to specify $ there |
| 21:08.06 | abrotman | eeyore-: oh yea .... i'm a bad man |
| 21:08.09 | cmatheson | eeyore-: thanks |
| 21:08.23 | eeyore- | stew: completeness' sake :) |
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| 21:09.16 | eeyore- | nite613: "dd_rescue" |
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| 21:09.48 | pem3v78 | hm. I have setup universal toolbar (the one with dirs, links etc) on the desktop but there's no autohide function so I tough about keyboard shortcut to hide/unhide the toolbar. Is this possible ? |
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| 21:10.30 | nite613 | eeyore-: What's it do different? (no manpage in knoppix (my debian disk is the dead one)) |
| 21:10.50 | eeyore- | nite613: doesn't leave 'holes' when it can't read data (bad sectors, etc.) |
| 21:10.53 | Spermite | M0ffe no its stable, i think kde is broken or something |
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| 21:11.19 | M0ffe | Spermite: Did you use any backports, testing packages or unstable packages? |
| 21:11.25 | Spermite | i mean yes |
| 21:11.26 | eeyore- | nite613: dd will just output 'no data' if it can't read source. dd_rescue will probably just pad zero's or something and leave the e2fsck do its job |
| 21:11.30 | Spermite | yes^ |
| 21:11.32 | stew | Spermite: you are not on stable |
| 21:12.01 | Spermite | so i should install kdelibs4c2 |
| 21:12.07 | nite613 | eeyore-: even with conv=sync,noerrror? That seems to behave like you said. I do like this though: # It uses two block sizes, a large (soft) block size and a small (hard) block size. In case of errors, the size falls back to the small one and is promoted again after a while without errors. |
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| 21:12.27 | M0ffe | Spermite: If you installed anything C++ or KDE related from unstable, you'll have to uninstall it. You can't mix them as a big transition is going on in unstable |
| 21:12.39 | abrotman | enormous! |
| 21:12.40 | stew | Spermite: paste your sources.list in #flood or on a pastebin |
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| 21:12.59 | M0ffe | Spermite: Yes, uninstall kdelibs4c2 indeed. You can't use it on stable. |
| 21:13.24 | M0ffe | Spermite: And libartsc2 too. |
| 21:13.55 | Spermite | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.58 | Spermite | =0) |
| 21:14.28 | quad3datwork | the gforge-ldap-openldap in package just an enhanced openldap i presume? |
| 21:14.28 | stew | Spermite: you cannot mix testing and stable |
| 21:14.57 | stew | we really need a new !bobbitt |
| 21:15.36 | M0ffe | Spermite: Indeed. Decide whether to use testing, stable or unstable. |
| 21:15.48 | stew | Spermite: you originally installed MEPIS? |
| 21:16.06 | Spermite | the only thing i installed was superkaramab and it install a bunch of other apps, |
| 21:16.12 | asg | stew: something to do with that Abu Grahib chick perhaps? |
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| 21:16.20 | Spermite | stew no this is debian sarge |
| 21:16.22 | tyranix | Or a combination of them. I use testing with unstable at a lower priority and testing security updates. |
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| 21:16.37 | stew | Spermite: its not sarge any longer |
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| 21:17.01 | CrippsFX | I just plugged in a usb cd burner, and it's not recognized by my computer. I need to use it so that I can burn a debian iso for my laptop. could anyone help me to get it working? |
| 21:17.12 | Jason-Bourne | haha |
| 21:17.14 | Jason-Bourne | <3 |
| 21:17.16 | abrotman | eeyore-: why aren'ty you racing! |
| 21:17.43 | stew | tyranix: there are no testing security updates yet |
| 21:17.51 | Spermite | how would i remove superkaramba |
| 21:17.56 | abrotman | i thought they had some ... |
| 21:17.57 | tyranix | sheesh, if you're going to spam then at least make sure it fits in 5 lines :) |
| 21:17.59 | eeyore- | abrotman: me? |
| 21:18.04 | abrotman | why not remove all of KDE and start again ? |
| 21:18.07 | eeyore- | abrotman: where? |
| 21:18.07 | tyranix | stew: I just downloaded some yesterday |
| 21:18.08 | abrotman | eeyore-: the race! |
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| 21:18.18 | tyranix | stew: Mozilla related |
| 21:18.20 | stew | abrotman: here is a list of the testing security updates: http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 21:18.24 | eeyore- | abrotman: darpa? no sponsor :-) and i'm a klutz with welding torches |
| 21:18.30 | stew | tyranix: from where? |
| 21:18.37 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'll do the software if someone will build the rig :-) |
| 21:18.52 | eeyore- | abrotman: and no, they can't use my jeep :-) |
| 21:18.54 | tyranix | deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:18.56 | CrippsFX | soo .... anybody at all know how to get a usb cd burner working in debain? |
| 21:19.14 | Spermite | if i redo kde wont it remove all my drivers and what not? |
| 21:19.23 | nite613 | If I make an image of an entire disk instead of just a partition, is there a way to simulate a block device from it? Like I can mount a partition image via mount -o loop, but if I have an image of /dev/hda instead of /dev/hda1, can I use it somehow? It has a valid partition table |
| 21:19.24 | M0ffe | Spermite: Remove libqt3-mt. It will remove almost all KDE too and you can probably do a clean KDE install from sarge |
| 21:19.38 | M0ffe | Spermite: KDE drivers? |
| 21:19.46 | stew | hrm |
| 21:19.49 | stew | !testing security |
| 21:19.49 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
| 21:19.55 | eeyore- | nite613: no, don't do that :-) |
| 21:20.00 | stew | doh, i stand corrected |
| 21:20.06 | eeyore- | nite613: make individual partition image(s) |
| 21:20.18 | tyranix | stew: Yeah that's what I'm using. :) It's new as of this month IIRC. |
| 21:20.21 | nite613 | eeyore-: Okay, will do |
| 21:20.22 | abrotman | eeyore-: i can weld .. well .. i've never done it .. but how hard can it be! |
| 21:20.28 | abrotman | eeyore-: http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/09/29/robot.race.ap/index.html |
| 21:20.29 | Spermite | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.36 | eeyore- | nite613: and make sure you name the file logically. i use "<partition name>-<start cyl>-<end cyl>-<block count>-<fs type>-<purpose>.dd.gz |
| 21:20.46 | abrotman | eeyore-: must be nice to be able to abuse a toureg liek that :) |
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| 21:21.03 | eeyore- | abrotman: yeah. must not be a very tough terrain :-) |
| 21:21.09 | M0ffe | Spermite: But remember to remove unstable, testing or stable to only one of them remains before installing KDE again. |
| 21:21.12 | nite613 | eeyore-: Good tip, thanks |
| 21:21.32 | stew | Spermite: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 " say? |
| 21:21.32 | eeyore- | nite613: yeah, that should have enough information to recreate the partition on different drives with different geometry |
| 21:21.35 | M0ffe | Spermite: But... nvidia drivers are not part of KDE so removing KDE won't remove the nvidia drivers. |
| 21:21.38 | abrotman | eeyore-: i think it was the "skills" test |
| 21:22.09 | abrotman | eeyore-: at least that's what i grok from the article |
| 21:22.16 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'm thinking ... the rocky places we go to ... i have absolutely no confidence that any robot is going to manuever without getting high-centered |
| 21:23.30 | abrotman | eeyore-: i don't know what the course is this year |
| 21:23.36 | eeyore- | abrotman: nevada |
| 21:23.44 | Spermite | M0ffe does that mean get rid of testing too? |
| 21:23.45 | eeyore- | abrotman: maybe you get to avoid a turtle or two |
| 21:23.54 | abrotman | eeyore-: though .. i have to say .. i'd be more interested in something swampy .. you know .. to see if the robot will sink itself :) |
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| 21:24.30 | M0ffe | Spermite: Decide whether to run stable, testing or unstable. Not all three. |
| 21:24.37 | nite613 | eeyore-: dd_rescue defaults to 16k for the BS, is there anything insane about using 4M or 8M? |
| 21:24.43 | M0ffe | Spermite: Not two either. |
| 21:24.43 | nite613 | for the soft limit I mean |
| 21:24.52 | nite613 | the hard limit obviously shoudl be really small |
| 21:24.53 | stew | Spermite: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 " say? that will at least tell us which you are running now and if its possible for you to stick with stable |
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| 21:25.17 | valdyn | nite613: use any bs you like |
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| 21:25.40 | eeyore- | nite613: well, somewhat. if you hit the bad-sector area it'll slow down :) besides, 4M blocksize is insane. try 64K or something :) |
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| 21:26.18 | nite613 | what's insane about it though? The drive has 8M of cache, should I blow through sequential reads as big as possible to be efficient? |
| 21:26.28 | nite613 | s/should/shouldn't' |
| 21:26.32 | ircops | hey what do you guys prefer for a gnutella client? |
| 21:26.39 | ircops | (gui) |
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| 21:27.26 | nite613 | Disk recovery is so unsatisfying. It goes incredib,y slow and no matter how well you do it's always worse off than it was a few precious hours ago |
| 21:27.28 | Spermite | devin@debian:~$ dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:27.28 | Spermite | ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 21:27.39 | stew | !info libc6 etch |
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| 21:27.40 | tungsten | Hi , quick question for a newbie about installing KDE |
| 21:27.42 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-6 (etch), Packaged size: 4815 kB, Installed size: 16356 kB |
| 21:27.45 | valdyn | nite613: dont expect major speed differences from blocksizes, they dont matter much |
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| 21:27.50 | stew | Spermite: you are running etch aka testing, not sarge |
| 21:27.55 | tungsten | i installed debian sarge, and am logged in as root |
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| 21:28.03 | tungsten | i try to install kde and it cant find it |
| 21:28.15 | tungsten | i have a cdrom with all the packages on it, from when i installed |
| 21:28.15 | rrt | what is good software to use in sarge to make mp3's? |
| 21:28.22 | tungsten | i must be missing something simple |
| 21:28.32 | nite613 | valdyn: It pains me to hear that :( ;) |
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| 21:28.35 | tungsten | i type apt-get install kde |
| 21:28.36 | rrt | if i could find them. |
| 21:28.42 | Spermite | stew well it was a sarge iso =) |
| 21:28.50 | nite613 | Oh well, at least I still have a sense of humour about my dataloss |
| 21:28.55 | M0ffe | Spermite: But you have upgraded it to etch :) |
| 21:28.57 | stew | Spermite: yes, but you put testing in your source.list and upgraded |
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| 21:29.15 | alan | I've just moved my root partition using 'dd', and it booted fine (by editing commands before booting), however i can't work out how to make update-grub use root=/dev/sda1 instead of sda5... can anyone help? |
| 21:29.16 | tungsten | any help would be great |
| 21:29.24 | Spermite | stew is this bad? |
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| 21:29.44 | alan | aha, never mind |
| 21:29.46 | alan | i found it |
| 21:29.53 | tungsten | it says e: package kde has no installation candidate |
| 21:29.55 | alan | thanks to anyone who was about to reply though! |
| 21:30.07 | M0ffe | Spermite: Not necesarily bad, but hard to downgrade to sarge now. |
| 21:30.10 | stew | Spermite: it explains why you are having dependency problems. you must now either finish upgrading to etch, or reinstall |
| 21:30.12 | tungsten | i read something about editing the sources.list file |
| 21:30.14 | stew | M0ffe: s/hard/impossible/ |
| 21:30.47 | Spermite | "reinstall" as in everything or kde? |
| 21:30.56 | stew | Spermite: everything |
| 21:31.02 | Spermite | = 0 |
| 21:31.05 | M0ffe | stew: I never tried - but one of my friends downgraded a sarge a couple of years to woody... |
| 21:31.11 | stew | M0ffe: not possible |
| 21:31.19 | stew | M0ffe: he might have think he did |
| 21:31.28 | stew | thought rather |
| 21:31.29 | Spermite | well guess i finish with etch |
| 21:31.36 | tungsten | tungsten <-- hoping for some help :-) |
| 21:31.54 | alan | Is it safe to move my /home partition with 'dd' if i unmount it first? |
| 21:32.13 | M0ffe | stew: Ok, I didn't check that hard, but he *said* he did. Not by "apt-get downgrade" or something semiautic, rather manually :) |
| 21:32.16 | stew | tungsten: you are on sarge |
| 21:32.20 | tungsten | yep |
| 21:32.41 | stew | tungsten: you have cd2 in the drive? |
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| 21:33.27 | mustafa | how can i setup my video card again, after installing the debian once |
| 21:33.31 | tungsten | only one cd |
| 21:33.36 | tungsten | iso cd of sarge/debian |
| 21:33.43 | tungsten | be back in half a sec. will rev. |
| 21:33.45 | alan | mustafa ATI or nVidia? |
| 21:33.49 | stew | tungsten: kde is on cd2 |
| 21:33.49 | Spermite | stew so what should i have in my sources.list testing now? |
| 21:33.58 | mustafa | ATI |
| 21:33.59 | Spermite | or can i keep stable |
| 21:34.16 | stew | Spermite: you cannot keep stable. /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 21:34.16 | M0ffe | Spermite: testing. |
| 21:34.32 | tungsten | oh. i dont have cd2 |
| 21:34.35 | tungsten | ok. |
| 21:34.47 | stew | tungsten: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 21:34.57 | tungsten | is there a way to download through the web |
| 21:35.01 | tungsten | er/ command line |
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| 21:35.09 | tungsten | i am hooked into the net, on that machine |
| 21:35.10 | stew | tungsten: apt-setup; then apt-get install kde |
| 21:35.11 | tungsten | just all command line |
| 21:35.15 | karsten | tungsten: wget, curl. |
| 21:35.16 | alan | Is it safe to move my /home partition with 'dd' if i unmount it first? And is it safe to move ANY partitions around, resize, etc with parted , as long as they aren't mounted? |
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| 21:35.31 | mustafa | alan: while the intalling firstly debian it asked me about my video card chipset, i chosed wrong, i want to re chose it |
| 21:35.52 | stew | tungsten: make that apt-get install kde x-window-system |
| 21:35.55 | alan | mustafa, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 21:36.03 | alan | mustafa, try that |
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| 21:36.10 | karsten | alan: My preference is to tar or rsync. Yes, you can move / access umounted or ro mounted filesystems. |
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| 21:36.22 | tungsten | so i type apt-setup |
| 21:36.27 | tungsten | i get a list of places to look |
| 21:36.32 | tungsten | cdrom, http, ftp, filesystem |
| 21:36.36 | tungsten | should i leave it on cdrom |
| 21:36.45 | alan | tungsten ftp |
| 21:36.48 | tungsten | ok |
| 21:36.50 | r3tex | how come my ncurses look good in console but on my xterm they're all messed up? |
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| 21:37.06 | r3tex | i have ncurses-dev installed |
| 21:37.06 | tungsten | debian mirror to use |
| 21:37.11 | tungsten | ftp.debian.org? or other |
| 21:37.17 | mustafa | thanks |
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| 21:37.51 | Spermite | this cutts me deep |
| 21:37.53 | karsten | r3tex: It's a contole fonts thing. I can mess around and usually get it to what I like, but don't know the exact incantation off the top. |
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| 21:38.27 | alan | karsten you have me confused.... i dont have the space to tar stuff to, and i need to reshuffle my partitions... what i was wondering is, is parted safe to use on unmounted partitions, as long as it DOESNT touch mounted ones at all? |
| 21:38.34 | r3tex | karsten: would it help to change back to regular ncurses? |
| 21:38.37 | greenman | hola people |
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| 21:38.40 | Jason-Bourne | hi |
| 21:38.49 | Jason-Bourne | that's cool |
| 21:38.51 | karsten | alan: You don't need to save a tarfile. You can pipe it. |
| 21:39.09 | r3tex | karsten: oooh you mean depending on the console font, some ncurses symbols are missing? |
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| 21:39.18 | karsten | alan: cd olddir; tar cvf - . | ( cd newdir; tar xvf - ) |
| 21:39.28 | Spermite | stew whats sid main pitch it? |
| 21:39.32 | karsten | r3tex: Exactly. |
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| 21:39.39 | karsten | r3tex: Console fonts are under a consolefonts directory somewhere |
| 21:39.42 | stew | Spermite: you don't want sid |
| 21:39.45 | Spermite | ok |
| 21:39.47 | alan | karsten, yeah, but i would rather just move the partition than copy it... |
| 21:39.51 | karsten | r3tex: /usr/share/consolefonts |
| 21:39.59 | karsten | alan: To move is to copy. |
| 21:40.07 | karsten | alan: There is no "move". This does what you want. |
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| 21:40.36 | alan | karsten i have a 6-partition setup on a 200GB drive at the moment, and i dont have any single partition with enough space to move my /home to... |
| 21:40.48 | greenman | how can i install libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3? |
| 21:40.56 | stew | is kde even installable in etch currently? |
| 21:41.00 | karsten | alan: Where are you planning on putting it then? |
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| 21:41.22 | ezeki3l | naked pizz |
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| 21:42.12 | stew | greenman: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:42.27 | nvz | alan: so what :P count freespace (wasted) overall and emprovise |
| 21:42.30 | alan | karsten, i am planning on deleting a partition, shifting everything backwards to fill the gap, then deleting 2 partitions in from of /home, moving an fat32 partition into the gap, moving the /home back some more and then expanding it to fill the gap |
| 21:42.30 | ezeki3l | so like |
| 21:42.33 | exobyte | I want to make a script that runs a command $1 times (and not wait for one to finish before starting the next) and see how long it taks ALL the commands to complete. Ideas? |
| 21:42.40 | greenman | well dpkg didnt find anything...... |
| 21:42.41 | ezeki3l | i tried apt-get naked-gurlz |
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| 21:42.44 | ezeki3l | and it didn't work |
| 21:42.46 | ezeki3l | help plz |
| 21:42.47 | ezeki3l | kthnx |
| 21:42.53 | Jason-Bourne | hahaha |
| 21:43.03 | alan | heh |
| 21:43.06 | karsten | alan: Have fun. |
| 21:43.10 | greenman | but i need it very badly for java |
| 21:43.16 | WhiteRabbit | ezeki3l, anything to do with women will only be found in sid. |
| 21:43.16 | Spermite | stew alright dist-upgrading now. can i ask what ur using, like stable, or whatnot? |
| 21:43.27 | alan | karsten, thanks... :( is it possible with parted without data loss? |
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| 21:43.33 | Jason-Bourne | or woody |
| 21:43.33 | ezeki3l | i also don't have libpr0n.a for some reason |
| 21:43.41 | karsten | alan: sometimes. |
| 21:43.44 | Jason-Bourne | g0t woody |
| 21:43.48 | ezeki3l | why is not included? |
| 21:43.50 | ezeki3l | it's says stable |
| 21:43.52 | stew | Spermite: I use stable on server and etch on most workstations, i have one sid machine that i use for bug squashing |
| 21:43.52 | karsten | alan: I'd very strongly recommend a backup. |
| 21:43.59 | stew | greenman: you can find it with packages.debian.org or apt-file search |
| 21:44.03 | Jason-Bourne | my woody is stable |
| 21:44.06 | Jason-Bourne | heh |
| 21:44.09 | ezeki3l | lawl |
| 21:44.12 | ezeki3l | fo shoa |
| 21:44.21 | alan | karsten i think i just found my saviour... a laptop with a clean install of sarge and SFTP (and a 60GB hard drive...) |
| 21:44.24 | ezeki3l | i apt-get patches for my woody, everyday |
| 21:44.25 | greenman | ok ill try it thank you stew :) |
| 21:44.25 | Buffy-Bot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.34 | stew | greenman: what version of debian? |
| 21:44.35 | WhiteRabbit | woody got fired when sarge popped a viagra |
| 21:44.35 | karsten | exobyte: You want to grab a couple of timestamps, set a loop counter, iterate it, background processes, and use bash's "wait" function. |
| 21:44.48 | greenman | s.i.d. |
| 21:44.48 | nvz | alan: oh sure, use fat32 so everything takes up more space on disk |
| 21:44.58 | Spermite | stew so I should be good then with etch, i just dont wanna run into alot of problems |
| 21:44.59 | Jason-Bourne | lol |
| 21:44.59 | Buffy-Bot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.06 | exobyte | karsten: wait- I could NOT fork the last command |
| 21:45.21 | nvz | Buffy-Bot: go away |
| 21:45.22 | karsten | alan: That would b ehelpful. |
| 21:45.30 | WhiteRabbit | lol |
| 21:45.31 | Buffy-Bot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.32 | stew | greenman: btw its sid, not s.i.d., its not an acronym |
| 21:45.39 | ezeki3l | my woody is in my hands, it's secure fo shoa |
| 21:45.42 | Spermite | stew as u can see im a noob, and its hard for me to fix my problems on my own =0( |
| 21:45.46 | dondelelcaro | although it is a backronym... |
| 21:45.47 | Jason-Bourne | :D |
| 21:45.48 | Buffy-Bot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.51 | WhiteRabbit | nothing like being a statistic sometimes |
| 21:45.57 | greenman | is it? i always thought it means 'still in development'.... |
| 21:46.10 | nvz | !ops Buffy-Bot [n=Buffy-Bo@neilmathers.co.uk] is being a PITA |
| 21:46.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Buffy-Bot [n=Buffy-Bo@neilmathers.co.uk] is being a PITA |
| 21:46.13 | stew | greenman: its named after the kid in toy story that breaks toys |
| 21:46.14 | WhiteRabbit | ;)~ |
| 21:46.20 | Jason-Bourne | lol |
| 21:46.20 | Buffy-Bot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.25 | WhiteRabbit | lol |
| 21:46.26 | Buffy-Bot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:46.33 | ezeki3l | uh-oh |
| 21:46.40 | WhiteRabbit | rut roh |
| 21:46.41 | Spermite | i thought his name was sid? |
| 21:46.41 | greenman | ah ok, because its always broken or why? (just kidding ;)) |
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| 21:46.51 | stew | greenman: yes |
| 21:47.19 | alan | nvz, i only have one fat32 partition, which i share with windows if/when i run it |
| 21:47.32 | alan | nvz, shared torrents drive... |
| 21:47.40 | nite613 | sid if for people who like to guard their toys from the other developers and occasionally take the tradeoff risk b/w getting new toys and breaking your other toys |
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| 21:48.38 | tungsten | question: i get hdd error waiting on dma |
| 21:48.42 | tungsten | whats that about? |
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| 21:49.14 | nvz | alan: oh well, its your problem. just so you know data generally takes up more disk space on fat32 than NTFS or any other filesystem. not to mention its designed to eat hard drives in other ways. |
| 21:49.17 | pigor | how to start gnome/kde-applets under wmaker using e.g. trayer ?? |
| 21:49.27 | karsten | pigor: ?? |
| 21:49.39 | karsten | pigor: panel applets may require the panel or otherwise behave strangely. |
| 21:49.42 | alan | nvz, i do know that - will it affect my chances of moving the partition? |
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| 21:49.52 | karsten | pigor: ... otherwise, simply invoke the executable. |
| 21:50.02 | karsten | pigor: ... and NFC what "trayer" is. |
| 21:50.16 | pigor | karsten: i have "trayer" as a panel ... where are the binaries? |
| 21:50.20 | nvz | alan: probably not. just figured its rather counter productive to use a space-eating FS when you reach an out-of-space condition. |
| 21:50.32 | karsten | pigor: ps aux | grep [t]ray |
| 21:50.35 | tungsten | question: i get hdd error waiting on dma |
| 21:50.43 | karsten | pigor: ... track it down through /proc/<pid>/exe |
| 21:50.57 | pigor | karsten: ?? |
| 21:51.07 | nvz | alan: of course most people eat up more space with ext2/3 or other fs's because they forget that the mkfs defaults to reserving 5% for super user and they end up reserving (wasting) large ammounts of space on each partition |
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| 21:51.13 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:51.13 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:51.19 | abrotman | jim: sorry .. had to :) |
| 21:51.21 | jim | :P |
| 21:51.30 | pigor | karsten: what do you mean, please? |
| 21:51.41 | eeyore- | i want my buckabeer hour too |
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| 21:51.45 | karsten | abrotman: Hola. |
| 21:51.51 | abrotman | i'm leaving! :) |
| 21:51.53 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 21:51.53 | alan | nvz, i'm not in an 'out-of-space' condition - my drive is just split into too many small partitions (linux was an afterthought, fit it onto the end of the drive, now making it the ONLY OS... so moving it...) |
| 21:51.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 21:52.02 | WhiteRabbit | abrotman, I feed the same |
| 21:52.06 | karsten | abrotman: Hello, I must be going. |
| 21:52.08 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:52.20 | jim | I want to get emacsclient on a remote to connect to an emacs whose server was started on a local... how do I go about this? |
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| 21:52.56 | karsten | pigor: Use 'ps' and 'grep' to find the process name. PID is given. From the /proc iflesystem, you can find the executable. |
| 21:52.58 | inc|freaky | how to hold back packages? not even upgrading on a dist-upgrade? |
| 21:54.01 | jim | if you don't want the debian packaging system controlling a certain package, consider building it from scratch and not using the package |
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| 21:54.20 | jim | then you get to maintain it :) |
| 21:54.30 | stew | karsten: or just "pgrep" |
| 21:55.10 | inc|freaky | jim: i know this is possible ... |
| 21:55.13 | stew | inc|freaky: /msg dpkg hold |
| 21:55.45 | jim | good... so do that if you want |
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| 21:56.38 | dryerase | hello. My crontab doesn't work -- it neither does anything, nor send me an email to indicate an erro |
| 21:57.14 | jim | dryerase: more details ("doesn't work" doesn't count as useful or detail) |
| 21:57.52 | jim | how do you know it doesn't work, for example |
| 21:57.59 | jim | what did you try |
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| 21:58.05 | jim | what was the result |
| 21:58.09 | jim | what did you expect |
| 21:58.15 | jim | did you read the man page |
| 21:58.15 | dryerase | jim: 16 * * * * date /data/logs/crontab.log |
| 21:58.18 | jim | what did you learn |
| 21:58.37 | dryerase | I expected it to run every 16th minute and dump date into crontab.log |
| 21:58.40 | jim | so you want to email the date to you? |
| 21:58.45 | dryerase | 16 * * * * date > /data/logs/crontab.log (corrected) |
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| 21:58.58 | dryerase | no, I want to verify it works before changing the command to something useful. |
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| 21:59.15 | dryerase | jim I also have a MAILTO=my@email.com |
| 21:59.16 | jim | try with a smaller timeframe (like 1) |
| 21:59.31 | exobyte | how can I get a timestamp more accurate than a second? I'd also like to be able to subtract it from another in bash |
| 21:59.37 | jim | watch appropriate logs |
| 21:59.45 | dryerase | jim what are you talking about? |
| 22:00.11 | Anandamide | what can i do if i cant get sd_mod loaded? |
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| 22:00.14 | jim | you're trying with 16... isn't that a heluva long time to wait for test results? :) |
| 22:00.15 | Anandamide | i reinstalled udev |
| 22:00.21 | meriad | does anyoen know why you have to use a cross over cable to connect toa hub? |
| 22:00.22 | dryerase | jim "1" what? 16 indicates that it will execute every hour on the 16th minute. Whenever I change it is to one or two minutes after the current time. |
| 22:00.29 | meriad | and why you cant just use standard straigth thru cables? |
| 22:00.36 | dryerase | jim my server time is ~15 minutes ahead. |
| 22:00.47 | jim | server? |
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| 22:01.01 | jim | now we're getting weird :) |
| 22:01.06 | dryerase | jim .... ugh. |
| 22:01.18 | jim | try * * * * * |
| 22:01.20 | nite613 | dryerase: is crond running? |
| 22:01.25 | dryerase | jim -- 16 indicates that it will run not every 16 minutes, but every 16TH minute |
| 22:01.33 | jim | that's a good question :) |
| 22:01.41 | dryerase | nite613 yes |
| 22:01.42 | Soyrunner | Anyone, 4 Debian systems; 1) 2.4.16-k7, 2) 2.4.16-k6, 3) 2.4.27-2-386, 4) 2.4.27-2-386. 1) & 2) were upgraded from Woody. 3)&4) are Sarge. Same Lynx on all 4 and the required libraries are the same versions. Lynx on 1)&2) fail to save downloaded files; 3)&4) Lynx saves files. How to fix 1)&2)? |
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| 22:02.00 | jim | dryerase: no... it will run at h:16:00 |
| 22:02.08 | jim | where h is any hour |
| 22:02.31 | jim | or is that what you mean? |
| 22:02.41 | nite613 | jim, I don't think that's helping ;) |
| 22:02.45 | dryerase | that's what I meant, every 16th minute of the hour |
| 22:03.00 | jim | ok, why not try just date |
| 22:03.02 | nite613 | dryerase: When you do a /etc/init.d/cron restart does anything fun show up in syslog? |
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| 22:03.22 | nite613 | dryerase: also, is /data/logs/crontab.log writable by the user whose crontab you're editting? |
| 22:03.24 | jim | because: it won't email if there's no output (which there wouldn't be if you redirected it to a file) |
| 22:03.25 | dryerase | restarted successfully |
| 22:03.27 | nvz | Soyrunner: care to give any useful information related to the issue? |
| 22:03.38 | dryerase | jim fair enough, but there's nothing in a file |
| 22:03.49 | jim | did the file get created? |
| 22:04.00 | dryerase | jim and if it didn't have permissions to create/modify that file, we'd have STDERR output, which should be emailed |
| 22:04.05 | Soyrunner | Okay nvz, what's the issue if I can help? |
| 22:04.06 | dryerase | jim nope -- that's what I'm trying to say |
| 22:04.11 | jim | that sounds reasonable |
| 22:04.13 | dryerase | jim not sure if its beign run at all |
| 22:04.15 | Soyrunner | Crontab? |
| 22:04.38 | kamaraju | Very trivial question. I have two machines workA, homeB. Let's say I am sitting at workA and run an nxclient session to connect to homeB. Now on homeB, I open a konsole and download 1GB file. Will this be counted as network traffic of 1GB on homeB or network traffic of 1GB on workA? I ask because, I pay for network usage at workA but at homeB it is free. Thanks in advance. |
| 22:04.58 | dryerase | ok, * * * * * -- > works. |
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| 22:05.11 | dregan_ | does anyone know if I have to uninstall ssh to install rssh? |
| 22:05.27 | jim | dryerase: it does? ok, that's useful... it indicates that -something-'s happening :) |
| 22:05.31 | dryerase | :) |
| 22:05.38 | nvz | kamaraju: I would think it would be counted both places. Unless I am missing something |
| 22:05.57 | dryerase | jim : now suppose the date on the machine is Thu Sep 29 15:23:34 PDT 2005 |
| 22:06.10 | jim | is your server's time locked to an ntp? |
| 22:06.14 | dryerase | jim: so if I changed the first * to 24/25, in theory it should run, right? |
| 22:06.18 | dryerase | jim -- that's next step |
| 22:06.30 | Soyrunner | Okay, when I download a file with Lynx on system 1 or 2 as soon as I hit the arrow for download the download starts and finally ends but no file unless I go into /tmp and copy it out. On systems 3 & 4 with Lynx if I right arrow download I'm given the choice to Download or Cancel, I choose Download and at completion I get a filename save choice. |
| 22:07.11 | jim | it might be useful while debugging this, to lock the server and other machines being used in the test to the same timestamp... probably give you one less thing to think about |
| 22:07.17 | Soyrunner | Same version of Lynx, did an update and upgrade on all four systems |
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| 22:07.45 | nvz | Soyrunner: ok, so now you've explained the real problem. lets get some important info like what user is running lynx and what the permissions and disk usage are on the desired destination directory |
| 22:07.56 | dryerase | jim setting up ntpd |
| 22:07.56 | jim | but!! is the server serving stuff? :) |
| 22:08.08 | dryerase | jim don't worry about that |
| 22:08.16 | Soyrunner | Same user on all four, putty telnet in, su'd to root. |
| 22:08.19 | jim | see, if you move the server time, weird things could happen for awhile :) |
| 22:08.21 | nvz | Soyrunner: your 4 systems and all that is 100% irrelevant to the issue. we are only going to troubleshoot one specific instance |
| 22:08.49 | nvz | Soyrunner: if you refuse to throw away irrelevant facts an focus on a specific issue, you cannot be helped |
| 22:08.50 | Spermite | i apt-get "got" something i was to remove how do i do so |
| 22:08.51 | Spermite | ? |
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| 22:08.58 | Spermite | want^ |
| 22:09.04 | dryerase | jim heh, I realized that. How do I force ntpd to update the date? |
| 22:09.07 | Soyrunner | Okay, home directories permissions, I'll check |
| 22:09.15 | dryerase | jim without waiting for whatever the next scheduled update is |
| 22:09.28 | alan | dryerase ntpdate <server> |
| 22:09.30 | dondelelcaro | dryerase: use ntpdate to do so |
| 22:09.33 | jim | you could use ntpdate I guess; there's a newer thing that does that |
| 22:09.39 | dondelelcaro | dryerase: /etc/init.d/ntpdate start; |
| 22:09.44 | alan | ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
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| 22:09.51 | exobyte | how can I get a time more accurate than seconds in a script? |
| 22:10.00 | jim | yeah, there ya go, pool.ntp.org |
| 22:10.14 | jim | I was trying to remember that name |
| 22:10.16 | WhiteRabbit | exobyte, atomic nano's |
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| 22:10.39 | dryerase | offset 1078 secs |
| 22:10.40 | dryerase | woohoo |
| 22:10.43 | exobyte | WhiteRabbit: huh? |
| 22:10.44 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: date +%N FE. |
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| 22:11.15 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: damn solaris... |
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| 22:11.32 | jim | dryerase: are you also using a local machine to try this stuff on? (a "client" machine or just another box or something) |
| 22:11.45 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: yes, slowaris is crap |
| 22:11.53 | jim | if so, sync that/those box/es to ntp |
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| 22:12.09 | dondelelcaro | gnu userland is pretty much the only way slowaris can even approach workable |
| 22:12.18 | Soyrunner | nvz, drwxr-xr-x on all machines |
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| 22:12.31 | jim | gnuserland? |
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| 22:12.51 | dryerase | jim setup ntpd on all machines |
| 22:12.52 | RandomMan | yarr |
| 22:12.52 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: I see lots of gnu stuff here. Let's just say sun give my school $$ |
| 22:12.53 | RandomMan | @ |
| 22:13.05 | alan | How do i find the size of a file |
| 22:13.06 | alan | ? |
| 22:13.14 | RandomMan | Exo, where d'you go to school? |
| 22:13.21 | dondelelcaro | alan: stat foofile; FE. |
| 22:13.22 | jim | alan: man ls |
| 22:13.29 | nvz | Soyrunner: we arent talking about all machines, ffs lets take one issue and do whats called troubleshooting, its how we solve problems |
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| 22:13.42 | gentoothreefour | which is better intel 955 EE or intel D? |
| 22:13.52 | nvz | Soyrunner: starting with the most obvious problems |
| 22:14.11 | alan | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 22:14.12 | nvz | Soyrunner: if you want to be an know it all, you can solve the problem yourself. |
| 22:14.23 | jim | dryerase: ok, cool; verify dates match on the machines involved... and try experiments again (this time client time will be same as server time) |
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| 22:14.53 | Soyrunner | Repeatable failure of lynx saving downloaded files if the systems were upgraded from Woody. The other 2 systems native Sarge, save the files properly. |
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| 22:15.14 | jim | gentoothreefour: none of those are butter; butter is too oily. |
| 22:15.19 | RandomMan | has anyone here had any experience with f5 systems? |
| 22:15.24 | Soyrunner | An obvious thought is upgrading the kernels on the 2 machines that don't save the files |
| 22:15.24 | nvz | Soyrunner: does that information draw you a conclusion that satisfies either you or your problem? |
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| 22:16.40 | Soyrunner | A satisfactory solution would be to find what on the upgraded machines is not allowing Lynx to fuction properly. |
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| 22:16.53 | nvz | Soyrunner: if you get to a specific issue that we can troubleshoot and take the advice being given we can probably narrow it down. |
| 22:17.07 | dryerase | jim the dates match -- lets assume there is one machine and one crontab |
| 22:17.13 | jim | ok |
| 22:17.24 | Soyrunner | Is there any other user with a suggestion on this Lynx issue? |
| 22:17.31 | nvz | Soyrunner: first you check obvious reasons why the files are not being copied upon completion. then you ask the program nicely why the fuck its not doing it |
| 22:17.31 | dryerase | jim for example, now I setup * * * * * echo foobar and MAILTO=my@email.com |
| 22:17.40 | gentoothreefour | which is better intel 955 EE or intel D? |
| 22:17.41 | jim | ok |
| 22:17.50 | dryerase | however, unlike the file output, I do not receive any emails |
| 22:17.50 | gentoothreefour | butter? |
| 22:17.57 | gentoothreefour | jim what do you mean butter |
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| 22:18.07 | nvz | Anyone else want to pitch random suggestions at Soyrunner that he will ignore and not cooperate with? |
| 22:18.09 | jim | gentoothreefour: butter is better, but bob's brain beats butter badly. |
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| 22:18.18 | nvz | I didn't think so. |
| 22:18.26 | gentoothreefour | who is bob |
| 22:18.40 | jim | bob: who are you?! |
| 22:18.54 | dryerase | ?bob |
| 22:19.00 | dryerase | sorry, no bob. |
| 22:19.10 | Blissex | http://WWW.SubGenius.com/ |
| 22:19.23 | Blissex | "Bob" loves you all :-) |
| 22:19.24 | dryerase | I like the capital WWWs |
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| 22:19.32 | jim | gentoothreefour: seriously... better for what? "better" means nothing without qualification |
| 22:19.52 | jim | !better |
| 22:19.52 | dpkg | it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 22:20.23 | Soyrunner | Is nvz really a Microsoft Windows lobbyist? |
| 22:20.29 | jim | and when we get to the issue of personal taste, we're back to butter! |
| 22:20.29 | Kovecses | Im getting Mounting Local Filesystems........error at boot? |
| 22:20.56 | nvz | nvz is one of the top 20 supporters here, and you are a moron who refuses to follow standard troubleshooting protocol |
| 22:21.00 | dryerase | I bow to Eris |
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| 22:21.08 | dryerase | and don't like bob |
| 22:21.14 | Soyrunner | Nvz creating such a hostile climate would seem to indicate such |
| 22:21.48 | Soyrunner | blowing his own horn |
| 22:21.49 | nvz | I asked you to please ignore the irrelevant facts and provide relevant information according to standard troubleshooting protocol |
| 22:22.03 | nvz | and I dont have to blow my own horn, we keep statistics |
| 22:22.15 | Soyrunner | Is nvz really a Microsoft Windows lobbyist? |
| 22:22.17 | jim | where am I on that list? |
| 22:22.17 | Soyrunner | Nvz creating such a hostile climate would seem to indicate such |
| 22:22.20 | dryerase | come on now, no one knows my queen Eris? |
| 22:22.36 | nvz | but I dont care now, I am through with you and leaving. keep this up and you will be silenced. |
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| 22:23.09 | Ronin | !ops dryerase is a nonsense bot |
| 22:23.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: dryerase is a nonsense bot |
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| 22:23.26 | Ronin | and annoying too |
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| 22:23.54 | jim | we all have our own moments of nonsensebotness |
| 22:23.57 | nvz | Ronin: seems like a bot, but squishier to me.. perhaps a meat popscicle |
| 22:24.02 | dryerase | !ops Ronin is a creepy fellow |
| 22:24.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: Ronin is a creepy fellow |
| 22:24.15 | gentoothreefour | jim better in overall |
| 22:24.16 | nvz | ok people, quit abusing the bots and the operators |
| 22:24.19 | dryerase | !Ronin |
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| 22:24.39 | gentoothreefour | do you know any good benchmark page that compares dualcore intel and amd |
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| 22:25.10 | Ronin | just making them work |
| 22:25.25 | nvz | UdontKnow: hello :) |
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| 22:26.02 | killerhippy | hello |
| 22:26.20 | nvz | real hippies dont kill |
| 22:26.26 | jim | gentoothreefour: see that? now you've asked a question that might have an answer you can use :) except I'm not too familiar with that |
| 22:26.33 | nvz | they love, and usually can't help getting a little on you |
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| 22:27.05 | killerhippy | I have trouble installing the openexchange package |
| 22:27.16 | TML | dryerase / Ronin: So...we should remove both of you from the channel, is that how it works? |
| 22:27.20 | Guerin | gentoothreefour: ask #ricers or something\ |
| 22:27.30 | jim | nvz: nite/aft/$TZ |
| 22:27.58 | nvz | I just had enough.. heh bbl |
| 22:28.01 | killerhippy | do you use openexchange? |
| 22:28.12 | Guerin | !anyone use openexchange |
| 22:28.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses openexchange, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:28.27 | Guerin | killerhippy: be specific about what doesn't work as expected. |
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| 22:28.51 | myren | gentoothreefour: #2cpu on some irc serve will help, not #debian |
| 22:29.43 | killerhippy | ok, I have the Error, entries missing! entry 1: dc=juze,dc=lan error |
| 22:29.43 | myren | oh, its freenode |
| 22:29.43 | rrt | what is a recommeded app to create mp3's from CD? |
| 22:29.44 | Guerin | rrt: cdparanoia + lame; lame is not in debian |
| 22:29.51 | jim | create .wavs from the cd, convert them to mp3s |
| 22:30.02 | killerhippy | this is the ldap root dn, which is correctly configured, but the openexchange postinstall does not get it |
| 22:30.05 | Guerin | abcde is supposed to be good, too |
| 22:30.22 | Guerin | rrt: consider ogg vorbis instead of mp3; encoders for it are in debian, and it's better than mp3 anyhow |
| 22:30.31 | rrt | have lame installed with grip but it makes m3u file. I want to burn the mp3's to cd to be played in my truck player. |
| 22:30.36 | z1ng3r | why lame isn't in debian ? |
| 22:30.50 | Guerin | z1ng3r: it's patent encumbered. |
| 22:31.07 | z1ng3r | just add one line to your sources.list and install |
| 22:31.25 | jim | yes, that's probably true... |
| 22:31.29 | Guerin | z1ng3r: or jjust add no lines to your sources and use ogg vorbis |
| 22:31.38 | z1ng3r | as u wish |
| 22:31.51 | Kovecses | how do i list the fonts i have? |
| 22:31.56 | Kovecses | or just find out? |
| 22:32.04 | Guerin | Kovecses: xfontsel will show you some |
| 22:32.10 | nite613 | eeyore-: You still around? I'm getting surprising results with the dd_rescue copy |
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| 22:32.18 | Kovecses | Guerin, thanks |
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| 22:32.41 | killerhippy | I have visited the open-xchange channel, but nobody seems to be there, do you know another one? |
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| 22:32.57 | Guerin | killerhippy: try a mailing list. |
| 22:33.02 | jim | I want to get emacsclient on a remote to connect to an emacs whose server was started on a local... how do I go about this? |
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| 22:33.23 | killerhippy | I have searched the mailing list for the error, but haven't found it. |
| 22:33.24 | Guerin | jim: #emacs |
| 22:33.33 | killerhippy | Maybe joining the ml is a good idea. |
| 22:33.35 | jim | there;s one of those here? |
| 22:33.36 | Guerin | jim: i'm not sure that's possible... |
| 22:33.51 | jim | it doesn't look that way... :/ |
| 22:34.07 | killerhippy | I just wondered, if I can get instand help at the openexchange channel and then went here. |
| 22:34.30 | jim | well it's gotta be -possible-... jsut not really easy without writing new code :)] |
| 22:34.50 | bucky | !irritate me |
| 22:34.51 | dpkg | bucky: wenas how can I make my libranet werkz !!!! |
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| 22:35.10 | dbk | jim: i would imagine that there is an emacs mailing list around someplace... |
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| 22:35.27 | Guerin | jim: with emacs, anything is possible if your lisp-fu is strong |
| 22:35.34 | dondelelcaro | jim: the gnuclient manpage looks like it's got the documentation on it |
| 22:35.46 | jim | gnuclient? |
| 22:35.51 | jim | ok |
| 22:35.58 | jim | never heard of that before now |
| 22:36.07 | dondelelcaro | jim: gnuclient works with gnuserv, which is emacs equivalent... |
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| 22:36.30 | bucky | jim, #emacs has the crustiest most knowlegeble linux users in the world |
| 22:37.02 | dondelelcaro | s/emacs/xemacs/... but should work with emacs, since it's what I'm using |
| 22:37.18 | LightVision | I have another linux distro on my hda, and my Debian loads from hdb. But how can I add the hda distro to my menu.list, so it can be available to be chosen at boot? |
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| 22:37.57 | jim | !find gnuserv |
| 22:38.00 | dpkg | gnuserv: (Allows you to attach to an already running Emacs), section editors, is optional. Version: 3.12.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 248 kB |
| 22:38.20 | jim | !find gnuclient sarge |
| 22:38.28 | Guerin | LightVision: read the comments in menu.lst or the documentation in the grub-doc package |
| 22:38.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gnuclient' (3): (/usr/bin/gnuclient.emacs) in editors/gnuserv ;; (/usr/bin/gnuclient.xemacs21) in editors/xemacs21-bin ;; (/usr/share/xemacs-21.4.17/etc/gnuclient.1) in editors/xemacs21-support. |
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| 22:40.19 | dondelelcaro | jim: I must confess that I haven't used it that way, but it looks like the manpage would support it |
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| 22:40.24 | jerware | fellaz. |
| 22:40.38 | jerware | anyone use creative soundblaster? |
| 22:40.43 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 22:40.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 22:41.15 | bowman | hi... is there a shell command that shows me file access/modification times? |
| 22:41.20 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: any ideas for me please regarding adding an entry for hda distro to my menu.lst? |
| 22:41.20 | Guerin | bowman: ls -l |
| 22:41.30 | jerware | dpkg: are you being sarcastic? |
| 22:41.36 | WhiteRabbit | !42 |
| 22:41.36 | dpkg | hmm... 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
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| 22:41.43 | WhiteRabbit | hut hut |
| 22:41.52 | LightVision | !hug jerware |
| 22:41.52 | bowman | Guerin: how about "last read access" or somesuch, does that exist on ext2? |
| 22:42.02 | Guerin | jerware: ask the question you really want answered |
| 22:42.03 | dondelelcaro | LightVision: just add another entry like the one that points to hdb but with the appropriate root for that distro |
| 22:42.18 | xiaogil | what is the command line to repare all the broken packages ? |
| 22:42.26 | jerware | are there debian drivers for creative soundblaster cards? |
| 22:42.30 | eeyore- | bowman: ls --time= .... |
| 22:42.38 | LightVision | dondelelcaro: how do I find the appropriate root for the other distro? |
| 22:43.35 | eeyore- | LightVision: trial and error |
| 22:43.37 | jim | dondelelcaro, thanks; I'll look into that |
| 22:43.40 | eeyore- | LightVision: it can't be that hard |
| 22:43.48 | Guerin | bowman: man ls should tell you |
| 22:43.56 | bowman | ah, got it |
| 22:44.01 | bowman | thanks Guerin, eeyore- |
| 22:44.26 | Guerin | jerware: the drivers are provided by the linux kernel, not by debian. But yeah, most creative cards are supported. |
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| 22:44.50 | jerware | ok, fedora doesnet support creative |
| 22:45.00 | jerware | so thanx, an other reason to uninstall fedora |
| 22:45.09 | LightVision | eeyore-: :P |
| 22:45.17 | jim | absolutely true. the KERNEL would support creative. |
| 22:45.41 | jerware | jim: you mean the debian kernel? or the linux kernel in general? |
| 22:45.55 | jim | both, and the fedora kernel too |
| 22:46.02 | Guerin | jerware: all hardware support is in the kernel, with a few tangential exceptions. |
| 22:46.03 | jerware | hmm strange |
| 22:46.17 | Guerin | jerware: different distributions ship different kernels, however. |
| 22:46.22 | jerware | right |
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| 22:46.35 | jerware | i have a usb, external card |
| 22:46.35 | jim | it's just that debian/fedora/whatever decides what modules to include |
| 22:46.48 | jerware | would that explain why im not getting success with my sound? |
| 22:47.03 | jim | maybe |
| 22:47.13 | jerware | hmm |
| 22:47.22 | jim | lsusb |
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| 22:47.39 | jim | (look at it yourself tho! don't paste that here!) |
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| 22:48.16 | eeyore- | LightVision: how many partitions do you have? 3? 4? 5? 100? 1000? |
| 22:48.41 | eeyore- | LightVision: if you got a thousand, sure, something more creative is called for. but < 10? do it by hand :-p |
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| 22:49.25 | LightVision | eeyore-: is hd0,0 = hda? |
| 22:49.52 | ircops_home | first partition on first drive |
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| 22:50.27 | LightVision | ircops_home: first part on hda? |
| 22:50.41 | caphuso | LightVision: check /boot/grub/device.map |
| 22:51.01 | LightVision | ok |
| 22:52.48 | eeyore- | LightVision: possibly. but if it's scsi, then it would be sda |
| 22:53.03 | eeyore- | LightVision: hd<n> in grub = bios drives, not linux kernel's idea |
| 22:53.22 | eeyore- | LightVision: so if you change bios boot order, then the meaning of hd<n> changes, too |
| 22:54.03 | to_ | hi, i'd like to know how to choose a particular dependencie in a such list: |
| 22:54.03 | to_ | Depends: apache2-mpm-worker (= 2.0.54-5) | apache2-mpm-prefork (= 2.0.54-5) | apache2-mpm-perchild (= 2.0.54-5) |
| 22:54.03 | to_ | for example if i want to install the 'apache2-mpm-prefork' rather than the 'apache2-mpm-worker' one wich is selected by default(maybe because it's the first of the list)? |
| 22:54.12 | LightVision | eeyore-: ok thanks |
| 22:54.32 | eeyore- | ok, this is hilarious, http://ntnews.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,16745130%255E13569,00.html |
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| 22:56.30 | whitehorse1 | The sub-project called Debian-Lex, is it by any other name "dead" ? |
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| 23:00.01 | to_ | no-one? :( |
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| 23:00.27 | whitehorse1 | The sub-project called Debian-Lex, is it by any other name "dead" ? |
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| 23:01.31 | zetabug | were the kernel-source-2.6.1[0123] packages obsoleted or somethign? |
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| 23:01.50 | sun_ | hi whats the latest 2.6 kernel in testing? |
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| 23:02.00 | whitehorse1 | sun_: .12 |
| 23:02.16 | jethro | zetabug: it's called linux-source-2.6* now |
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| 23:02.32 | sun_ | whitehorse1 thanks |
| 23:02.34 | whitehorse1 | oh yep forgot that that's true |
| 23:02.38 | whitehorse1 | np |
| 23:02.50 | Gost | Salmon |
| 23:02.58 | zetabug | jethro: thanks |
| 23:03.16 | Gost | DIdi you finished compiling windows kernel 4.8 ? |
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| 23:03.21 | Gost | Salmon DIdi you finished compiling windows kernel 4.8 ? |
| 23:03.55 | zetabug | whitehorse1: are you in Whitehorse? |
| 23:04.10 | whitehorse1 | zetabug: no |
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| 23:04.37 | zetabug | ever been there? |
| 23:05.03 | whitehorse1 | zetabug: remind me? |
| 23:05.11 | Salmon | yes i have finished compiling |
| 23:05.14 | Salmon | :) |
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| 23:05.28 | Gost | Thanks God Salmon |
| 23:05.35 | Gost | after 45 days |
| 23:05.38 | Gost | huh |
| 23:05.44 | whitehorse1 | The sub-project called Debian-Lex, is it by any other name "dead" ? |
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| 23:06.04 | uince | hi |
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| 23:06.47 | whitehorse1 | Does anyone know? I looked at the debian.org pages such as they are, |
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| 23:08.55 | host` | question: if I just apt-get install lilo, will that replace grub and configure itsself correctly? |
| 23:09.18 | uince | do you know why if i unistall gnome using aptitude and i reinstall it i have always the old configuration? (I hove deleted the package (not purge)) |
| 23:09.32 | whitehorse1 | well there you go then. |
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| 23:09.51 | whitehorse1 | purge aka please delete my config files mr apt-get sir |
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| 23:10.49 | uince | mmm... maybe i did something wrong... i try again |
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| 23:12.53 | xiaogil | when status are broken, what to do to repare the system ? |
| 23:13.43 | EvilSporkMan | is there any way i can determine how much bandwidth a particular process is using? |
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| 23:15.51 | simonrvn | I HATE CARS |
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| 23:17.01 | erroneous | hey, I'm using kde, xorg, and the scroll wheel on my mouse alway acts like it did 2 scrolls instead of 1. Any idea on how to fix it? |
| 23:17.02 | eeyore- | simonrvn: gas? |
| 23:17.15 | KarMax | hi... www.debian.org its not responding? |
| 23:17.46 | whitehorse1 | KarMax: I'm browsing it. Works for me. |
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| 23:18.07 | erroneous | KarMax: www.us.debian.org works |
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| 23:18.13 | whitehorse1 | erroneous: kde control center play around with the options |
| 23:18.20 | whitehorse1 | Q) The sub-project called Debian-Lex, is it by any other name "dead" ? |
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| 23:18.27 | erroneous | whitehorse1: didn't work |
| 23:18.30 | Routed | can anyone tell me if parted can resize an ext3 filesystem on an lvm logical volume? I have used lvextend to resize the lv already. |
| 23:18.36 | KarMax | whitehorse1, thanks, i dont know why it doesnt work for me :S |
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| 23:18.56 | michal_ | does anyone know if there are tikiwiki packages for debian? ii havn't been able to find any.. i know there are no official ones but i would settle for decent unofficial ones |
| 23:19.02 | Routed | I have read the man page and it seems hopeful, but I don't want to charge in and break something. |
| 23:19.27 | KarMax | whitehorse1, whats the ip that your nameserver resolves for www.debian.org ? |
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| 23:21.13 | gentoothreefour | anyone wanna do cpu talk? |
| 23:21.23 | JJa | hello everyoane |
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| 23:21.40 | KarMax | www.debian.com ( 192.25.206.10 ) its that ok? |
| 23:21.44 | whitehorse1 | KarMax: saens.debian.org klecker.debian.org and spohr.debian.org |
| 23:21.54 | whitehorse1 | oh misread. 1 sec |
| 23:21.58 | KarMax | sorry, www.debian.org 192.25.206.10 |
| 23:22.00 | gentoothreefour | anyone |
| 23:22.10 | Kovecses | Im getting a Mounting Local Filesystems...........Error on boot> |
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| 23:22.13 | Kovecses | Im getting a Mounting Local Filesystems...........Error on boot? |
| 23:22.17 | dryerase | who is bob? |
| 23:22.40 | simonrvn | eeyore-: some fucking idiot car driver ran a red and started off into the street, i was crossing on green->yellow, and the ended up hitting the dude in the left front panel. luckily i was braking as hard as i could otherwise i would've been really hurt by his stupid red light stunt. i start yelling at him at the top of my lungs (and i can yell *loud*, i pow-wow sing) when he asked me wtf was i... |
| 23:23.05 | Gnea | Kovecses: well that sucks. |
| 23:23.12 | whitehorse1 | I'll traceroute to it |
| 23:23.37 | whitehorse1 | KarMax: Yeah anyway it's 195.25.206.10 yes |
| 23:23.37 | simonrvn | eeyore-: ... was doing there, and i yell at him, WTF are *you* doing there? it was my light FFS. he asks me if i'm ok, and i reply you're fucking lucky i'm ok (i would've been more pissed) |
| 23:23.41 | Kovecses | well it doesnt really suck because everything works great.........i just dont like the nasty red ERROR |
| 23:23.55 | whitehorse1 | Q) The sub-project called Debian-Lex, is it by any other name "dead" ? |
| 23:23.58 | doleyb | EvilSporkMan: have you tried etherape and "netstat -tnap" ? |
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| 23:24.20 | eeyore- | simonrvn: it's the driver :) my co-worker drove to lunch today, and boy, it was a trip. he made right turn on red without stopping and trucks were heading towards us :-) |
| 23:24.39 | eeyore- | simonrvn: next time, i drive :) |
| 23:24.47 | ccssnet | lol |
| 23:24.49 | Kovecses | right on red is legal here |
| 23:24.53 | whitehorse1 | KarMax: 19 gluck.debian.org (192.25.206.10) 154.717 ms 156.139 ms 155.866 ms |
| 23:25.04 | simonrvn | ffs, i can understand a bike, bbut a car that weighs in at ~2000 lbs can easily kill someone |
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| 23:25.11 | eeyore- | Kovecses: it's legal here, too, but you must come to a *complete stop*, look, then go |
| 23:25.11 | smokerfat | Anybody know why debian installed apache to have /var/www/ owned entirely by root? should it not be www-data? |
| 23:25.14 | erroneous | hey, I'm using kde, xorg, and the scroll wheel on my mouse alway acts like it did 2 scrolls instead of 1. Any idea on how to fix it? I can't find anything in KDE control center for it (not number of scroll lines, but it actually registers two scrolls for one) |
| 23:25.14 | simonrvn | people forget that |
| 23:25.25 | eeyore- | Kovecses: or maybe you didn't catch the part about not stopping? :-) |
| 23:25.26 | Kovecses | eeyore-, ahh ....yes that would be good |
| 23:25.45 | whitehorse1 | just move your hand more slowly and you won't notice it anymore |
| 23:25.47 | KarMax | whitehorse1, now it works :S... it was a problem on my gateway (thanks for your help!) |
| 23:25.50 | simonrvn | *I* sure don't, i'm reminded of it every time i weave in-between cars between 2 lanes, or whatever |
| 23:25.56 | whitehorse1 | KarMax: np |
| 23:26.05 | simonrvn | </end> |
| 23:26.14 | Kovecses | i need to get rid of that error........ |
| 23:26.34 | whitehorse1 | Q) The sub-project called Debian-Lex, is it by any other name "dead" ? |
| 23:26.45 | whitehorse1 | Does anyone know? I looked at the debian.org pages such as they are, |
| 23:27.09 | simonrvn | never heard of it |
| 23:27.51 | Kovecses | who cares |
| 23:27.53 | whitehorse1 | simonrvn: Debian subproject / custom distribution. Like Debian-Edu etc. |
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| 23:27.57 | gravity | I haven't heard anything from it since it came out |
| 23:28.07 | gravity | It'd be a shame if it died so fast |
| 23:28.20 | Kovecses | oh its a educational distro? |
| 23:28.45 | gravity | Kovecses: No, it's meant for adapting Debian to legal computing needs |
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| 23:29.01 | gravity | Not sure myself what those are beyond OO.o and a good web browser, but hey |
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| 23:29.36 | Kovecses | gravity, what like non-free software |
| 23:29.44 | whitehorse1 | gravity: I looked at the webpages. The mailing-list is 100% spam for September; why they aren't spamfiltered somewhere I'll never know. The activity though says it's looking for a new co-ordinator as of end Aug 2005 (someone was interested in it early Aug though apparently no longer). But I don't know where the discussion about that / reasons for leaving are - if there are any. |
| 23:29.46 | LightVision | rkunter reported suspiscious file called " /dev/.udevdb" any idea what this file is exactly? |
| 23:29.46 | gravity | Kovecses: I don't know in all honesty |
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| 23:29.53 | whitehorse1 | Don't even know if it's er not dead :) |
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| 23:30.11 | gravity | whitehorse1: It sounds dead, but you could potentially revive it |
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| 23:30.15 | whitehorse1 | gravity: ah y'know, case-management software etc. |
| 23:30.26 | gravity | That was fast. That thing started like less than a year ago |
| 23:30.35 | whitehorse1 | 2002/3 IIRC |
| 23:30.42 | gravity | No way. Really? |
| 23:30.54 | whitehorse1 | gravity: I've no programming skills to speak of, sadly. |
| 23:30.58 | xiaogil_ | Is there a way to repare the system when the status are broken for the updates ? |
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| 23:31.14 | gravity | xiaogil_: Downgrade to a known working version |
| 23:31.19 | gravity | xiaogil_: And wait it out |
| 23:31.26 | gravity | xiaogil_: Also, put packages on hold until they're not broken |
| 23:31.35 | xiaogil_ | gravity: i thought it was impossible to downgrade ? |
| 23:31.37 | LightVision | anyone know what is " /dev/.udevdb" ? |
| 23:31.40 | whitehorse1 | Oh yup initial proposal for Debian Lex was 19 Apr 2003 |
| 23:31.42 | bartek | Hello... Are there any problems with WiFi cards on laptops driven by Debian? |
| 23:31.59 | gravity | xiaogil_: You can downgrade individual packages |
| 23:32.03 | whitehorse1 | LightVision: It's keeping track of your installed hardware for apps to query it etc. Don't remove it ;p |
| 23:32.09 | gravity | xiaogil_: You have to manually do it, but it can be done fairly easily |
| 23:32.33 | gravity | bartek: You may have to use ndiswrapper and the windows driver for some of them. |
| 23:32.37 | LightVision | whitehorse1: ok, its just that rkhunter told me its a suspicous file |
| 23:32.42 | gravity | bartek: But that's standard for all linux distros |
| 23:32.45 | LightVision | whitehorse1: you use rkhunter? |
| 23:32.51 | whitehorse1 | gravity: rules me out of reviving it. Well, feasibly I mean |
| 23:32.59 | whitehorse1 | LightVision: nope, never used it |
| 23:33.05 | gravity | whitehorse1: Well, you could pick up coding skills but other than that, yeah... |
| 23:33.28 | Kovecses | how can i see the boot log? |
| 23:33.45 | xiaogil_ | gravity: i can't delete the status file in order to let the system create a new working one ? |
| 23:33.51 | whitehorse1 | gravity: yep I've bought some beginner books but yeah it'd be a long time before I'll have skills at the level someone at that sorta level in a project should have under their belt |
| 23:34.07 | whitehorse1 | Kovecses: in var/log somewhere |
| 23:34.12 | gravity | xiaogil_: Uh... you *don't* do that |
| 23:34.23 | LightVision | whitehorse1: rkhunter is great! |
| 23:34.25 | Kovecses | whitehorse1, yeah i tried........none are exactly what you see at boot |
| 23:34.25 | xiaogil_ | it can't even be repared ? |
| 23:34.34 | whitehorse1 | Kovecses: check out the Debian Reference too for useful advice |
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| 23:34.41 | gravity | whitehorse1: Well, I'd pick an easy language like python or ruby and start learning there if you're interested. There's plenty of free tutorials on them out there |
| 23:34.42 | LightVision | whitehorse1: http://www.rootkit.nl/articles/rootkit_hunter_faq.html |
| 23:34.55 | mxn_ | Is anyone aware of a problem with the sbp2 module in kernel 2.6.13.2 (possibly =>2.6.12) that means it can't be unloaded? |
| 23:35.04 | gravity | xiaogil_: What did you do? Define "broken" |
| 23:35.04 | whitehorse1 | LightVision: oh yeah, ran a rootkit checker the other day. not sure which tho. |
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| 23:36.14 | CobyComputers | hello how is everyone tonight |
| 23:36.24 | LightVision | whitehorse1: root kit hunter is great |
| 23:36.39 | LightVision | whitehorse1: it was just updated today |
| 23:36.47 | eeyore- | EE! |
| 23:36.54 | whitehorse1 | [RFC] Debian uses mailing-lists extensively, I mean they're really pivotal to how the Debian project works overall. Why in the name of all that is holy is nothing (nothing effective at least) to deal with spam?!? One fairly dormant list is full of spam messages for this month. |
| 23:37.05 | whitehorse1 | LightVision: Thanks I'll check it out sometime |
| 23:37.14 | CobyComputers | can anyone tell me if there is such a thng as a secure TELNET program so I can work on the server from home or something better to give me access |
| 23:37.18 | whitehorse1 | *done to deal with spam |
| 23:37.24 | gravity | whitehorse1: There's an incredible amount of spam checking on the debian lists |
| 23:37.26 | eeyore- | CobyComputers: "openssh" |
| 23:37.35 | gravity | whitehorse1: There's also an absolutely amazing amount of spam that gets sent to the list |
| 23:37.54 | gravity | whitehorse1: Short of barring people who aren't subscribed from posting (something the project as a whole is against) you can't kill them all |
| 23:38.01 | whitehorse1 | gravity: How does one explain the debian-lex list archive though for september. I mean, easier to see there purely because the volume of actual messages is really low |
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| 23:38.39 | gravity | whitehorse1: The same way you explain the rest of the spam that hits the list. If you search the list archives for discussions on spam you'll find a ton of info on how debian combats it |
| 23:38.46 | gravity | whitehorse1: Trust me, they do way more than you do |
| 23:39.05 | LightVision | whitehorse1: dont procrastinate :) |
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| 23:39.24 | bartek | gravity Tnanx, I'll google up sth about ndiswrapper and try (buying notebook with Intel 915GM chipset tomorrow) |
| 23:39.26 | LightVision | whitehorse1: procratinators say "why do today, what I can do tomorrow" :P |
| 23:39.36 | gentoothreefour | clock speeds in cpus namely intel and amd do they compare together |
| 23:39.40 | CobyComputers | I signed up the the mailing list... how do send questions just reply to someone on it or is there a certain address I am surpposed to email |
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| 23:39.45 | gentoothreefour | ie intel 2.4 dual core is the same as amd 2.4 dual core |
| 23:40.01 | whitehorse1 | CobyComputers: evidently just send them. |
| 23:40.19 | whitehorse1 | CobyComputers: oh wait. if its not a reply then send a new message |
| 23:40.35 | CobyComputers | but who do I send the message to? |
| 23:40.41 | gravity | CobyComputers: What's the list? |
| 23:40.49 | CobyComputers | for a new one.. sorry guys new to all this stuff |
| 23:40.58 | CobyComputers | the list off the debian homepage |
| 23:40.59 | whitehorse1 | CobyComputers: usage instructions : http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ |
| 23:41.10 | whitehorse1 | CobyComputers: there are many many lists there |
| 23:41.13 | gravity | CobyComputers: There's tons of Debian lists. Which one? |
| 23:41.35 | CobyComputers | I don't remember I think servers.. and newbes. I beleave |
| 23:41.40 | whitehorse1 | listname@lists.debian.org << send it there. replacing listname obviously |
| 23:41.49 | simonrvn | i bet -isp and -user |
| 23:42.01 | CobyComputers | ok thanks |
| 23:42.04 | gravity | CobyComputers: If you don't know the name of the list, you're going to have a hard time sending mail to it |
| 23:42.08 | whitehorse1 | CobyComputers: also see http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct |
| 23:42.26 | simonrvn | CobyComputers: that's debian-isp and debian-user, FYI |
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| 23:42.59 | BucWheat | anyone hae any ideas on editing PDF files with forms? |
| 23:43.10 | gravity | BucWheat: You have to use acroread |
| 23:43.15 | gravity | Sadly |
| 23:43.19 | simonrvn | good fucking luck ;) |
| 23:43.27 | BucWheat | i can use reader to fill the pdf forms and save as PDF by using cups |
| 23:43.32 | LightVision | simonrvn: is that necessary? |
| 23:43.33 | gravity | I wish I had the motivation to add the support to xpdf myself, but I just don't |
| 23:43.47 | gravity | It needs a whole javascript interpreter. I'll let the evince guys do it |
| 23:43.48 | BucWheat | i need to be able to reopen the pdf and then modify the text that was previously added |
| 23:43.55 | CobyComputers | thanks |
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| 23:44.20 | bartek | One question more - why my resolv.conf is still reusing the old nameservers (after I change the file manually and reboot)? |
| 23:44.42 | resiak | bartek: Because you're running resolvconf ? |
| 23:44.49 | CobyComputers | does anyone know of a good site on helping to set up dialin internet server to pass my custurmers to the internet? |
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| 23:45.48 | whitehorse1 | CobyComputers: AOL ? |
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| 23:46.16 | Kovecses | please dont tell me aol makes computers |
| 23:46.37 | whitehorse1 | Kovecses: nyet afaik |
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| 23:47.00 | LightVision | Kovecses: lol |
| 23:47.07 | CobyComputers | AOL??? no I'm tryng to set up a server to serve my comunity wireless highspeed and dialup service |
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| 23:47.36 | Kovecses | CobyComputers, using sarge? |
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| 23:47.52 | whitehorse1 | Hmm I've not heard of folks using wireless dialup. |
| 23:47.52 | tjpp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.53 | LightVision | Kovecses: you using Sarge?> |
| 23:48.01 | CobyComputers | yes sarge |
| 23:48.14 | LightVision | im using Sarge and Firefox 1.0.7 |
| 23:48.20 | CobyComputers | Kovecses yes I'm using sarge |
| 23:48.27 | Kovecses | LightVision, and? |
| 23:48.40 | LightVision | Kovecses: and what? |
| 23:48.41 | Kovecses | LightVision, did i miss a question? |
| 23:48.42 | magyar | dpkg netboot |
| 23:48.42 | dpkg | it has been said that netboot is put your ethernet driver in kernel (NOT as a module), turn on IP: Autoconfiguration in network section, and Root filesystem on NFS in network filesystems section, then read Documentation/nfsroot.txt |
| 23:49.12 | Kovecses | Im getting a Mounting Local Filesystems...........Error on boot? |
| 23:49.19 | LightVision | who was using Sarge and wanted to use latest Firefox? |
| 23:49.28 | LightVision | Kovecses: and? |
| 23:49.28 | Kovecses | its easy to get |
| 23:49.39 | LightVision | Kovecses: whats easy to get? |
| 23:49.47 | magyar | dpkg installer |
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| 23:50.03 | Kovecses | the newest firefox |
| 23:50.16 | LightVision | Kovecses: not easy at all for Sarge |
| 23:50.17 | magyar | am looking for the debian installer channel |
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| 23:50.25 | Kovecses | LightVision, are you kidding me? |
| 23:50.29 | LightVision | Kovecses: its not available with apt-get |
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| 23:50.38 | LightVision | Kovecses: the latest version is 1.0.7 |
| 23:50.52 | LightVision | Kovecses: you have to get it from backports.org |
| 23:50.54 | Kovecses | LightVision, whats wrong with the one on the firefox website? |
| 23:51.15 | LightVision | Kovecses: if you are asking these questions, you should not update it |
| 23:51.40 | Kovecses | LightVision, im asking you why you didnt get the ones from the update |
| 23:51.41 | LightVision | Kovecses: you are better to stick with apt-get version |
| 23:51.45 | Kovecses | LightVision, im asking you why you didnt get the ones from the website |
| 23:51.51 | LightVision | Kovecses: as I said, if you are asking these questions, you should not update it. |
| 23:52.03 | magyar | looking for 2.6.12 installer c |
| 23:52.06 | Kovecses | LightVision, i already have 1.0.7 |
| 23:52.19 | Kovecses | LightVision, are you retarded |
| 23:52.31 | Kovecses | LightVision, i was asking you why it was so herd to get |
| 23:52.31 | LightVision | Kovecses: listen Ray, your ignorance is now ignored |
| 23:52.59 | Kovecses | what a loser |
| 23:53.05 | jim | Kovecses: no, he's probably top dead center |
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| 23:53.31 | CobyComputers | maybe I was readng the wrong message but is what I am tryng to do going to be hard with sarge? |
| 23:53.40 | Kovecses | anyone that cant download something and install it |
| 23:53.50 | Kovecses | CobyComputers, ive never tried something like that |
| 23:53.53 | michal_ | god DAMN shorewall is hard to use :/ |
| 23:54.01 | Kovecses | CobyComputers, so i have no idea |
| 23:54.17 | CobyComputers | ok no prob.. what is a good GUI to put on the server? |
| 23:54.24 | Rixxon | debian install says "No partitionable media were found"... this is how my hdd looks like in partitionmagic(winxp) http://www.rixxon.net/pmagic.png |
| 23:54.26 | Kovecses | fluxbox |
| 23:54.36 | Rixxon | did i do something wrong in pmagic ? |
| 23:54.38 | jim | as compared to what? using iptables directly? |
| 23:54.41 | Kovecses | on none |
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| 23:55.01 | shane__ | can someone help me install ati drivers ? |
| 23:55.09 | Kovecses | shane__, yes i am a pro |
| 23:55.13 | stew | magyar: you are wanting to install sarge or etch? |
| 23:55.27 | shane__ | i got unbantu kovecses as long as that isnt a prob? |
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| 23:55.43 | Kovecses | shane__, ubuntu is even easier |
| 23:55.48 | resiak | shane__: #Ubuntu is that way ----> |
| 23:55.52 | magyar | stew: sid |
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| 23:56.13 | resiak | CobyComputers: GUIs on a server? |
| 23:56.15 | shane__ | lol good to hear ...so can you guys just make it make sense lol i just cant figure out what to do with the drivers i downloaded from ati today |
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| 23:56.22 | resiak | shane__: #Ubuntu is that way ----> |
| 23:56.30 | CobyComputers | take that as a no |
| 23:56.34 | stew | magyar: the daily d-i *might* have 2.6.12: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ if not, /msg dpkg custom d-i ; or else you have to bootstrap it /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 23:56.38 | resiak | CobyComputers: What do you want this GUI to do? |
| 23:56.52 | CobyComputers | just to add accounts and emails etc. |
| 23:56.55 | Kovecses | resiak, calm down |
| 23:57.09 | shane__ | ...yea |
| 23:57.18 | jim | Kovecses: support and bandwidth issue |
| 23:57.18 | Kovecses | shane__, join #ubuntu they will get you set up |
| 23:57.21 | resiak | Kovecses: No, seriously, this is not #ubuntu. If you wanna help shane__, sure, no problem, but do it in the right channel. |
| 23:57.28 | shane__ | oh okay i was just conrfused sorry bout that |
| 23:57.32 | resiak | CobyComputers: ...what's wrong with adduser ? |
| 23:57.40 | magyar | stew, i remember seing a webpage from debian where they were listing installers for every day and noting which is broken and which is working. Do you know that webpage? |
| 23:57.41 | Rixxon | please someone help me find a solution for my problem |
| 23:57.52 | LightVision | resiak: is Kovecses an OP here? |
| 23:57.55 | Kovecses | jim, huh? |
| 23:57.57 | eeyore- | CobyComputers: "community wireless high-speed and dialup service"? that's a bit ambitious esp if you don't know your way around currently |
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| 23:58.02 | CobyComputers | it tells me can only add one account for somereason |
| 23:58.06 | eeyore- | CobyComputers: is this commercial endeavor, or just to be a nice guy? |
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| 23:58.22 | nite613 | CobyComputers: The command line is your friend. You might be looking for webmin, but I'd caution against it for security concerns |
| 23:58.25 | resiak | CobyComputers: Erm, no ... man adduser |
| 23:58.29 | CobyComputers | mainly to help my communty.. |
| 23:58.41 | bartek | resiak whats resolvconf? I've got no idea how to make this damn values (in the file) to change |
| 23:58.44 | resiak | LightVision: I really hope not. |
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| 23:58.54 | Kovecses | CobyComputers, i heard wireless is a pain |
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| 23:59.12 | jdhutchin1 | Kovecses, it depends which card you have and what chipset it has |
| 23:59.18 | bartek | resiak Or where are the originals that are reused each time |
| 23:59.20 | stew | CobyComputers: you don't want a gui for adding users, just use adduser |
| 23:59.20 | RandomMann | does anyone here know the debian packages that I need to install to set up mysql? |
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| 23:59.21 | CobyComputers | Don't much have a choice up here. i'm in the sticks |
| 23:59.26 | resiak | bartek: If you run dpkg -l resolvconf, do you get a line starting ii? And does /etc/resolv.conf contain stuff about being automagically generated? |
| 23:59.29 | resiak | bartek: /etc/skel/ |
| 23:59.40 | jdhutchin1 | RandomMann, maybe mysql-server? |
| 23:59.42 | resiak | bartek: Oh, sorry, I'm confusing you with someone else. Ignore /etc/skel/ :) |
| 23:59.43 | Kovecses | jdhutchin1, yeah ive never tried...so i really have no clue....you have a wireless network? |
| 23:59.45 | stew | RandomMann: mysql-server | mysql-server-4.1 |
| 23:59.48 | LightVision | resiak: well, he is "acting" like he is an OP here. I agree with you, I certainly hope a guy like Kovecses is never an op here |
| 23:59.49 | jdhutchin1 | Kovecses, yes |
| 23:59.52 | orchid | Rixxon: you said "hdd" do you mean hda? |
| 23:59.56 | magyar | stew: btw, would you know the installer channel for debian. Some times they post in the topic onfo for installers |
