| 00:00.05 | stew | magyar: #debian-boot |
| 00:00.11 | Rixxon | orchid no idea :) - i meant my harddrive |
| 00:00.14 | bartek | resiak I just started wondering what they (skel and resolv) have in common :-) |
| 00:00.16 | magyar | stew, thanks |
| 00:00.21 | Kovecses | LightVision, umm who is acting like an op?? ^^^^^^^ |
| 00:00.30 | RandomMann | thanks, so I don't need mysql client? |
| 00:00.34 | bartek | resiak: There are no strange lines in resolv conf |
| 00:00.38 | stew | magyar: and the mailing list is lists.debian.org/debian-boot |
| 00:00.40 | resiak | bartek: Sorry. But yeah, I had this problem because resolvconf regenerated /etc/resolv.conf all the time. Is it installed? |
| 00:00.50 | eeyore- | CobyComputers: what's the goal of the project? you do know wireless is going to have a range limitation, right? |
| 00:01.00 | jim | magyar: that channel does exist however they do not accept help traffic except by email to the mailing list |
| 00:01.10 | eeyore- | CobyComputers: esp. in urban area, it's only going to be good for a block or two. what do you hope to gain from this? |
| 00:01.31 | eeyore- | CobyComputers: aren't there a lot of access points in quebec already? |
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| 00:01.45 | orchid | Rixxon: k, well does the installer see the drive at all? |
| 00:01.57 | CobyComputers | mainley just a learning experiance plus. I have a tower that is 2000 feet above sea level |
| 00:02.04 | bartek | resiak only one search directive and two nameserver directives && no resolvconf installed |
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| 00:02.18 | resiak | bartek: Hmm, bizarre. Sorry, I have no idea. |
| 00:02.22 | nite613 | CobyComputers: how high is that above roof-level? |
| 00:02.25 | eeyore- | CobyComputers: yeah but what good is a tower if users can't get packets to you? |
| 00:02.25 | chello | Can someone tell me how do i enable sound on openoffice?!i received this pps file and it has sound,but can hear anything.Any clue? |
| 00:02.27 | Rixxon | its my first time trying to install anything non-windows... so im not sure. but what it says, is "No partitionable media were found." |
| 00:02.34 | carl | yea this is shane again and yea i tried the ubantu channel but no one knew or answered.... |
| 00:02.41 | resiak | !they don't know |
| 00:02.41 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 00:02.45 | Rixxon | @ orchid. |
| 00:02.51 | resiak | carl: Try the Ubuntu wiki. |
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| 00:02.55 | gravity | carl: #ati |
| 00:02.57 | CobyComputers | I beleave it is Wave Rider for the wireless equipment and they say should be able to get 70 miles with thier equipment.. |
| 00:03.01 | carl | i tried google dpkg |
| 00:03.03 | Kovecses | carl, i will get you set up |
| 00:03.04 | carl | but ill try wik |
| 00:03.11 | chello | Can someone tell me how do i enable sound on openoffice?!i received this pps file and it has sound,but can hear anything.Any clue? |
| 00:03.11 | carl | k |
| 00:03.16 | Kovecses | carl, send me a pm |
| 00:03.18 | jim | Rixxon: no partitionable media? that would seem to mean it can't see any of your HDs |
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| 00:03.19 | carl | k |
| 00:03.19 | CobyComputers | 15 miles non-line of site |
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| 00:03.30 | chello | Can someone tell me how do i enable sound on openoffice?!i received this pps file and it has sound,but can´t hear anything.Any clue? |
| 00:03.33 | stew | carl: /msg dpkg ati drivers ; but if that doens't work, you are out of luck here |
| 00:03.38 | eeyore- | CobyComputers: 70 miles? doubtful. 15 miles non line of sight is very doubtful :-) are they talking wifi? |
| 00:03.40 | jdhutchin1 | CobyComputers, you need line-of-sight for long-range wifi links |
| 00:03.40 | Kovecses | gravity, there are open source ati drivers |
| 00:03.48 | RandomMann | chello, spam gets you nowhere |
| 00:03.49 | gravity | Kovecses: That's not what he's asking for though, is it? |
| 00:04.01 | LightVision | what cd rippers are available for sarge besides KaudioCreator? |
| 00:04.03 | stew | chello: ask #debian-oo or #openoffice.org |
| 00:04.03 | gravity | Those should Just Work |
| 00:04.06 | Rixxon | jim: well this is how i did in partiotionmagic: http://www.rixxon.net/pmagic.png |
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| 00:04.10 | gravity | LightVision: grip |
| 00:04.11 | jdhutchin1 | LightVision, grip is one |
| 00:04.13 | chello | can someone answer my question? |
| 00:04.20 | RandomMann | www.google.com/q=openoffice+sound |
| 00:04.20 | Kovecses | gravity, naw there is a tiny bit of tweaking |
| 00:04.23 | eeyore- | CobyComputers: heck, i can barely receive signals from upstairs when i'm out in the yard .... |
| 00:04.25 | LightVision | ok thanks ill try grip :) |
| 00:04.34 | gravity | Kovecses: The ones that come with X need tweaking? |
| 00:04.38 | bartek | resiak dhcpd on my server should give me the right nameservers' but it don;t want to :-) |
| 00:04.42 | RandomMann | chello: stew chello: ask #debian-oo or #openoffice.org |
| 00:04.51 | Kovecses | gravity, no but those dont have 3daccell |
| 00:04.51 | jim | chello: maybe. (there! do you have another question you want answered?) |
| 00:04.54 | bartek | Kovecses: Why wireless is pain? |
| 00:05.03 | Kovecses | bartek, i dont know is it? |
| 00:05.06 | gravity | Kovecses: The only ones with 3d acceleration are proprietary |
| 00:05.10 | chello | jim.no thats all |
| 00:05.12 | gravity | At least, afaik |
| 00:05.15 | nite613 | eeyore-: Obviously they're talking about a tower with like a 38dB antanea and roof-top dishes for the subscribers |
| 00:05.22 | Kovecses | gravity, no they have open source ones now |
| 00:05.25 | gravity | Kovecses: Link? |
| 00:05.26 | resiak | gravity: I think X.org has accel for really old ATI cards now. |
| 00:05.33 | Kovecses | gravity, k hold one |
| 00:05.35 | Kovecses | gravity, k hold on |
| 00:05.39 | CobyComputers | thats on a regular router though I actually have to pay yearley liscence fees for this transmiter and receaver |
| 00:05.39 | gravity | resiak: It has accel for a lot of ati cards. |
| 00:05.51 | Kovecses | gravity, not mine : ( |
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| 00:05.58 | gravity | Well, it works for mine |
| 00:06.02 | Kovecses | carl, you gonna pm me or what? |
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| 00:06.07 | carl | i did |
| 00:06.09 | resiak | gravity: Really? Hmm. I thought it was just fairly old ones. |
| 00:06.15 | Kovecses | gravity, luck bastard |
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| 00:06.22 | Kovecses | gravity, lol |
| 00:06.30 | carl | did you not get it?..thought it went thru |
| 00:06.33 | bartek | Kovecses "I heard that wireless is pain" |
| 00:06.42 | gravity | resiak: Mine's about two years old now I guess, but it supports newer ones than mine |
| 00:06.46 | Rixxon | jim, orchid: any bright ideas? |
| 00:06.47 | stew | resiak: i seem to get some decent accel on a 9200se with glxgears, i dunno how valid of a case that is though |
| 00:06.48 | CobyComputers | (it had better work for $5000.00 us) |
| 00:06.49 | bartek | Kovecses I've just noticed it, thatswhy asking |
| 00:06.51 | Kovecses | bartek, yeah that is what i heard..... i never tried it |
| 00:07.04 | gravity | 9300 went in recently I believe |
| 00:07.15 | resiak | stew, gravity: I'm very surprised, and have been mis-informed. Thanks for the info. |
| 00:07.17 | smokerfat | who's bartek.. what a coincidence... that's my name too |
| 00:07.24 | carl | yea actually could you pm kovecses the thing is being strange and just yea... |
| 00:07.26 | eeyore- | nite613: definitely not something he will start for free out of the goodness of his heart |
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| 00:07.50 | stew | resiak: i've never tried a proprietary driver to compare with however |
| 00:08.08 | nite613 | eeyore-: he is talking $5000 + liscencing for the base station, maybe some people are more generous thatn you expect ;) |
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| 00:08.28 | eeyore- | CobyComputers: do you print your own money or are you looking to throw away the money? i don't get it. if you're gonna start this to make money, you should get some qualified people for this or it's just not going to work |
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| 00:08.42 | CobyComputers | i have the community helping with this project |
| 00:08.55 | Xenguy | Does anyone know why I would be getting hit a mile a minute on port 65535 tonight (just switched to a new ISP, so not sure if there is some legitimate explanation)? |
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| 00:09.03 | nite613 | eeyore-: I'm almost done copying those 20G of corrupted partitions. Seems I'monly out a few hundred kB from corruption, some of it just happened to hit my superblocks and journals :( |
| 00:09.10 | bartek | Kovecses I'll have WLAN at colledge from monday, I'll try to check if it's truth |
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| 00:09.13 | orchid | Rixxon: well, id delete the pmagic partition and let the installer do it, but its text mode so youd have to be careful, but before that, you must make sure it sees the hardrive |
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| 00:09.25 | tsuyoshi | hi. what do I do when kill -9 doesn't work? |
| 00:09.31 | nite613 | Xenguy: From different addreses? |
| 00:09.32 | jcole | i put my http_proxy variable into /etc/environment then rebooted... i thought doing this would make it system-wide... am i wrong? is there another place? |
| 00:09.33 | eeyore- | nite613: lucky :-) at least there's no mechanical failure. just had one that died and had to be sent to ontrack. $1800 |
| 00:09.39 | Xenguy | nite613: many, many, many |
| 00:09.58 | nite613 | Xenguy: Cool. Definatley not legitamite; dunno what the order of the day is with that port though |
| 00:10.28 | Xenguy | nite613: there have been sploits in the past, from what google has to say, but I don't see any recent content on that port |
| 00:10.28 | carl | dude kovecses i've sent like a bunch of messges |
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| 00:10.43 | orchid | Rixxon: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=184&slide=11 do you see similar to this? |
| 00:10.51 | Kovecses | carl, click on the window on the bottom of xchat |
| 00:10.54 | magyar | stew, where can i get build-cdrom? All i see is build-netboot, which I am assuming is net-boot.iso |
| 00:10.58 | Xenguy | nite613: I'll take it up with the ISP then - tx |
| 00:11.00 | carl | i did |
| 00:11.07 | carl | i can see your writing and im typing back |
| 00:11.14 | jcole | am i supposed to add ". /etc/environment" to the end of everyone's shell rc? |
| 00:11.17 | nite613 | eeyore-: This is just a personal server, I'd just build from scratch if I had too. As it stands I'd like to keep it though! Plus my /home partition came out unscathed. Woot! |
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| 00:11.40 | orchid | Rixxon: sry, slide 9 in that series |
| 00:11.47 | jim | jcole: you wouldn't be able to do that and still have /etc/environment be portable to all shells |
| 00:12.03 | magyar | stew, ingnore, i got it |
| 00:12.08 | nite613 | Xenguy: You'd bother your ISP with stuff like that? I see so much scanning activity that it would be ludicrous to do it. I suppose if the rate is really really high maybe |
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| 00:12.40 | CobyComputers | anyways l8r maybe i should tell the community we need to spend 100 000.00 on a isp.com server |
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| 00:12.53 | bartek | resiak Strange - there're no more files containing this reused lines in the whole /etc |
| 00:13.00 | bartek | resiak checking /var :-) |
| 00:13.01 | magyar | maybe not |
| 00:13.12 | gravity | Kovecses: The only open drivers I can find are from DRI, not ati. Those are shipped with Xorg |
| 00:13.16 | stew | magyar: what are you after exactly? |
| 00:13.22 | tsuyoshi | ugh.. I guess I have to reboot |
| 00:13.31 | tsuyoshi | the linux 2.6 cd driver really sucks |
| 00:13.41 | Kovecses | gravity, they are on this page |
| 00:13.42 | tsuyoshi | I think I'll switch back to 2.4 |
| 00:13.45 | Kovecses | gravity, hold on |
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| 00:13.49 | Kovecses | gravity, brb |
| 00:13.55 | magyar | stew, i only find a net-bbot.iso, is there any other iso images? |
| 00:14.07 | magyar | :s/bbot / boot |
| 00:14.40 | stew | magyar: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ ? |
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| 00:15.22 | jcole | jim: hmm, i think "su - {user}" screws up settings in /etc/environment.... |
| 00:15.30 | eeyore- | hey on solaris, how do i find out which of sun's many packages a particular file comes from? doesn't seem like pkgchk does what i want |
| 00:15.33 | stew | magyar: do you have hardware that wont work with 2.6.8 at least long enough to install? |
| 00:16.10 | jim | jcole: are you saying that file gets altered when you do that? |
| 00:16.23 | eeyore- | oh wait, it does. doh. |
| 00:16.40 | bartek | resiak The dhclient.eth0.leases contained an old dhcp lease, with the wrong nameserver inputs |
| 00:16.46 | jinpikdone | LightVision never be in doubt - |
| 00:16.50 | magyar | stew, yes i do, and i need amd64 |
| 00:17.02 | magyar | with atleast 2.6.12 |
| 00:17.13 | stew | magyar: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 00:17.37 | jim | magyar: i386 should work... you can install something different once installed |
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| 00:17.47 | Xenguy | nite613: I've never seen anything quite like this - I would say it is worth reporting (and I'll find out quickly whether they are interested or not :-) |
| 00:17.57 | stew | magyar: or /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 00:18.27 | nite613 | Xenguy: Something good to know about your ISP anyways I guess :) |
| 00:18.31 | stew | eeyore-: #solaris is ----> that way :) |
| 00:18.40 | eeyore- | hmm, i don't recall putting tcsh in /usr/bin manually but i must have :-) |
| 00:18.51 | resiak | bartek: Ah |
| 00:18.53 | Xenguy | nite613: yeah, some appreciate tips, some don't |
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| 00:19.01 | zinx | eeyore-: omg r00ted |
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| 00:19.26 | eeyore- | zinx: na. more like "wtf aren't my two solaris 8 machines identical?!?!?!?!?!" |
| 00:20.05 | nite613 | Xenguy: I accidentally discovered some sort of DSL monitor running on an obscure port on my default gateway that showed the name, address, loginID and session time of every DSL user. I reported it to my ISP and they thanked me and cut off access |
| 00:20.17 | phaedral | hola all; looking for a clue on how to not have my ethernet and wlan activate on boot |
| 00:20.38 | magyar | stew, got it, thanks again |
| 00:20.41 | nite613 | phaedral: Clue: /etc/network/interfaces auto |
| 00:20.49 | phaedral | nite613: you rock; thx |
| 00:20.59 | phaedral | was trying sysv-init :( |
| 00:21.08 | Xenguy | nite613: whaaa? |
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| 00:23.32 | bartek | bye |
| 00:23.56 | Overand | Alright, this is a really stupid question, but... |
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| 00:24.59 | Overand | when I'm SSHed into my debian box using PuTTY on a windows box, I can do international characters by hitting the 'other windows key' (context menu key), and for example ' then e to do: é |
| 00:25.14 | Overand | Is this a property of PuTTY, or is it actually happening on my debian box? |
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| 00:27.04 | is | hum... who knows this nickname dummy` ? |
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| 00:27.27 | caphuso | Overand: it's a putty thing |
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| 00:27.54 | xiaogil_ | what is the command to see how much space do i have on my hard drive ? |
| 00:27.59 | ScatterBrain | Anyone know why Gnome won't install from Unstable? |
| 00:28.00 | ccssnet | df -h |
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| 00:28.08 | is | dummy 50854 0.0 0.7 4736 3776 qc S+ 3Sep05 3:37.49 ../bin/bin/Bitc ... ? |
| 00:28.09 | is | :) |
| 00:28.18 | blah123 | hey is there a reason why theres not a US version of security.debain.org ? |
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| 00:28.53 | caphuso | blah123: because there is no US version at all of anything |
| 00:28.56 | LightVision | blah123: yes |
| 00:29.12 | gravity | blah123: security.debian.org isn't mirrored at all currently |
| 00:29.14 | phaedral_ | nite613: worked like a charm; thanks again |
| 00:29.32 | eeyore- | night |
| 00:29.49 | blah123 | why is that? |
| 00:30.06 | LightVision | blah123: because the moved servers |
| 00:30.14 | gravity | LightVision: No, that's not why |
| 00:30.22 | blah123 | I mean, I could understand if it was a matter of resources, but surely someone has offered to house a box in the US with a fast uplink |
| 00:30.30 | gravity | blah123: I think it has to do with security reasons and administration overhead, but to be honest I don't really remember why |
| 00:30.34 | blah123 | a college or something |
| 00:30.37 | gravity | blah123: No, there's plenty of offers for it |
| 00:30.44 | blah123 | yea they should mirror it |
| 00:30.52 | gravity | Not my decision. |
| 00:30.56 | Segers_J | I just tried to upgrade my sarge system and it died with "Perl lib version (v5.6.1) doesn't match executable version (v5.8.4)" where do I go from here? |
| 00:30.57 | blah123 | cuz I'm download mysql right now and its dog slow |
| 00:30.58 | LightVision | gravity: why then? |
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| 00:31.10 | gravity | LightVision: I just said above. It's not related to the server moves though |
| 00:31.24 | kaos | ? |
| 00:31.29 | ScatterBrain | Ok, Does anyone known when I *will* be able to install Gnome from Unstable? |
| 00:31.35 | LightVision | gravity: you admited to not even rememering why, so how can you knw i was wrong? :P lol |
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| 00:31.58 | resiak | ScatterBrain: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 00:31.59 | gravity | LightVision: Because I know that security.debian.org isn't hosted on one of those servers that was moving |
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| 00:32.08 | LightVision | gravity: ok |
| 00:32.11 | ScatterBrain | resiak, BTS? |
| 00:32.12 | gravity | LightVision: And because moving a server wouldn't affect the decision not to mirror, which was made ages ago |
| 00:32.13 | resiak | !btssmite ScatterBrain |
| 00:32.22 | LightVision | gravity: ok. thanks |
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| 00:33.05 | resiak | ScatterBrain: The reason you can't install Gnome is that you're using Unstable. You will probably be able to install Gnome at some point in the future, but when unstable breaks, you get to keep the pieces. |
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| 00:33.12 | litage | from most to least stable, it goes like this?: stable, testing, unstable |
| 00:33.13 | jim | ScatterBrain: maybe when you run unstable... but that's not recommended for people without fairly extensive unix and unix admin experience (or at least if you can back up and restore your machine, or else don't mind reinstalling when it does something weird) |
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| 00:33.46 | jim | litage: on the average, yes |
| 00:33.53 | blah123 | ZZZZZ |
| 00:33.57 | litage | jim: "on average"? |
| 00:34.07 | jim | yes |
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| 00:34.39 | blah123 | gravity, but nl? |
| 00:34.42 | blah123 | err |
| 00:34.45 | jim | stable is almost always more stable than testing, but testing is sometimes less stable than unstable |
| 00:34.45 | blah123 | ^ why |
| 00:34.47 | litage | jim: would you mind elaborating please? |
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| 00:35.00 | jinpikdone | blah123: ZZZZZZZ = kidden |
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| 00:35.08 | is | i need some help for sunos. |
| 00:35.13 | is | someone can help me ? |
| 00:35.16 | caphuso | is: not here |
| 00:35.16 | gravity | blah123: I told you. I don't remember. Google might tell you. |
| 00:35.32 | blah123 | I'm zzzzz at the time its taking security to update. I'm not even downloading at 56k speeds. |
| 00:35.34 | blah123 | sigh |
| 00:35.45 | is | caphuso: wher can i get some help ? |
| 00:36.08 | caphuso | is: www.sun.com? google? |
| 00:36.13 | nonick | solaris? |
| 00:36.27 | nonick | 8,9or 10 |
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| 00:36.35 | is | caphuso i need on irc. |
| 00:36.47 | caphuso | is: well, i don't care. you're off-topic. go away |
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| 00:37.13 | is | caphuso: i don't like your language. |
| 00:37.29 | caphuso | is: it's called "english" |
| 00:37.40 | nonick | can someone kick me? |
| 00:37.42 | is | really ? |
| 00:38.00 | jim | nonick: you have to wear a sign on your back first :) |
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| 00:38.55 | caphuso | what the fuck was wrong with my language? |
| 00:39.03 | zburns_ | need to install madwifi on a laptop with no working net connection. Is this possible using netinstall 3.1r0 |
| 00:39.13 | resiak | caphuso: You didn't give him flowers and help him with SunOS. |
| 00:39.24 | caphuso | 'kay, i've been using very short, oversimplified sentences, but i've been talking to a dumbass |
| 00:40.01 | caphuso | .oO(now he wouldd have a reason to complain) |
| 00:40.15 | jim | I'd guess he didn't like what you were saying, but didn't mind your language too much :) |
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| 00:42.19 | gravity | Heh... whatsisname never got back to me on the magical ATI open drivers |
| 00:43.13 | jim | oh right, the "pro" |
| 00:43.15 | Danar | i'm trying to watch a dvd, but after the beginning and/or scene selection it says the disc cannot be read though it's in perfect condition. any ideas as to why? |
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| 00:43.43 | jim | it's not actually in perfect condition? |
| 00:43.43 | resiak | Danar: Have you got libdvdcss? |
| 00:43.47 | Danar | yes |
| 00:43.48 | resiak | !libdvdcss |
| 00:43.48 | dpkg | To get libdvdcss, follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/; or run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread?/examples/install-css.sh |
| 00:43.50 | resiak | Okay. |
| 00:44.18 | Danar | i'd think i wouldn't be able to get to the scene selection without it.. |
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| 00:44.36 | blah123 | gravity: found the reason |
| 00:44.51 | blah123 | gravity: there slow/overworked |
| 00:45.13 | gravity | blah123: That's the reason they're slow right now, but I found out it was due to not having the archives signed |
| 00:45.25 | gravity | blah123: But that's available now in etch, so maybe for etch it can be mirrored |
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| 00:45.48 | blah123 | well it says they are "planning" for mirrors of security.debian.org |
| 00:46.01 | blah123 | I wasn't talking why security.debian.org is slow |
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| 00:46.08 | blah123 | I dont really care, it could be alot of reasons |
| 00:46.22 | JustinHH | i installed a program from a deb file. how can i start that program? |
| 00:46.30 | JustinHH | where can i find it? |
| 00:46.44 | caphuso | JustinHH: dpkg -L packagename | pager |
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| 00:46.51 | jim | JustinHH: you can get a list of all files in the deb file in a few different ways |
| 00:46.56 | blah123 | my question is why wasn't there any mirrors for it. and the awnser is they are slow or overworked, otherwise the security faq needs to be changed then. cuz it says they are planning future mirrors of security.debian.org |
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| 00:47.33 | jim | then maybe they are :P |
| 00:47.50 | Danar | justdpkg -L packagename|grep bin |
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| 00:48.07 | jinpikdone | blah123: then search for a better security for your work ... |
| 00:48.13 | RandomMan | hey, anyone know why my apache server with libapache-php or whatever isn't recognizing my php files? |
| 00:48.18 | JustinHH | dpkg -L ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb | page |
| 00:48.19 | JustinHH | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.19 | JustinHH | Package `ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb' is not installed. |
| 00:48.19 | dpkg | No packages found matching ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb |
| 00:48.20 | RandomMan | it's just downloading them |
| 00:48.23 | blah123 | understandable, but dam. I hate downloading from overseas 150+ right off the bat |
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| 00:48.27 | Danar | * JustinHH: dpkg -L packagename | grep bin |
| 00:48.42 | RandomMan | the packagename is ymessenger |
| 00:48.42 | JustinHH | i wrote : sudo dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb |
| 00:48.44 | Danar | justin: dpkg -L ymessenger |
| 00:48.47 | caphuso | JustinHH: 1) package name, not file name of the .deb and 2) pager not page |
| 00:49.05 | jim | JustinHH: didja read what he said? :) |
| 00:49.05 | blah123 | jinpikdone I wasn't complaining persay about them being slow or overworked. frankly I think they are overworked. shit happens. it just would be nice to have a US mirror. |
| 00:49.08 | JustinHH | CASP, sorry |
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| 00:49.41 | jim | JustinHH: what is the name of your deb file? `ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb'? |
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| 00:50.23 | jinpikdone | blah123: it goes on and on ... |
| 00:50.28 | JustinHH | jim ? |
| 00:50.33 | jim | JustinHH: didja know the package name is in that file name? |
| 00:51.08 | JustinHH | i guess that is ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386? |
| 00:51.12 | Danar | i'm trying to watch a dvd, but after the beginning and/or scene selection it says the disc cannot be read though it's in perfect condition. any ideas as to why? |
| 00:51.30 | jim | JustinHH: no... the package name is everything up to the first _ |
| 00:51.59 | JustinHH | jim, thnak you. i learn day by day :D |
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| 00:52.25 | jim | the version is everything between the first _ and either .deb or _<arch>.deb |
| 00:52.34 | jim | so you have... |
| 00:52.35 | Danar | JustinHH: it's in the form package_version_architecture.deb |
| 00:52.50 | JustinHH | aha |
| 00:52.57 | jim | <packagename>_<version>_<arch>.deb |
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| 00:52.59 | jim | OR |
| 00:53.04 | jim | <packagename>_<version>.deb |
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| 00:54.36 | JustinHH | jim, can you short write me the steps i have to make for installing a deb file |
| 00:54.58 | jim | dpkg -i <packagename>_<version>_<arch>.deb |
| 00:55.00 | jim | OR |
| 00:55.07 | gravity | heh |
| 00:55.09 | jim | dpkg -i <packagename>_<version>.deb |
| 00:55.24 | z1ng3r | :) |
| 00:55.27 | JustinHH | :)) |
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| 00:55.46 | jim | dpkg --purge fop |
| 00:55.50 | JustinHH | all beginners are stupid. me2 :D |
| 00:56.02 | jim | JustinHH: not necessarily |
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| 00:56.20 | jim | it's not stupidity, it's just lack of information |
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| 00:57.05 | Danar | can anyone help me with watching a dvd? it won't play much beyond 'scene selection'. says it can't read the disc |
| 00:57.15 | JustinHH | well reading " into jim's brain with a jackhammer" makes me laugh |
| 00:57.18 | JustinHH | :) |
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| 00:57.44 | jim | Danar: sure... you put on a dvd, and I'll sit there and help you watch it :) |
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| 00:57.55 | JustinHH | :)) |
| 00:58.07 | JustinHH | !tell danar about mp3 |
| 00:58.19 | litage | would changing your subnet and ip address cause iptables to take forever to stop? |
| 00:58.20 | jim | especially if Hillary Swank is involved :) |
| 00:58.24 | Danar | jim: in order to watch it, it must play first. :p |
| 00:58.31 | JustinHH | sorry danar |
| 00:58.44 | jim | doh! |
| 00:58.52 | JustinHH | danar, read about restricted formats |
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| 00:59.11 | Danar | it says it can't read the disc |
| 00:59.20 | JustinHH | or smth like that i think.... |
| 00:59.20 | Danar | yet it's in perfect condition |
| 00:59.45 | JustinHH | ask jim. he will gladely help you with that. right jim? |
| 00:59.48 | Danar | i tried selecting different scenes, but it does the same thing |
| 00:59.49 | JustinHH | :D |
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| 01:00.54 | magyar | i would like to mount a cdrom, but i have no /dev/cdrom* nor /dev/hd*. Can someone help a brother? |
| 01:00.58 | jim | Danar: mfgrs are always trying to keep the format unusable for such as linux or anything else they can't control |
| 01:01.09 | jim | I know that's not much help... |
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| 01:01.27 | Danar | well that's evil, and i'd like to do something about it ;p |
| 01:01.52 | magyar | and i know why |
| 01:01.57 | jim | it's the same like msn im clients |
| 01:02.16 | jim | and windows APIs |
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| 01:02.26 | Danar | starting with finding out how to get this dvd playing. i haven't had problems with other dvds like this |
| 01:02.30 | jim | they change them just to get people to spend more money |
| 01:02.57 | Danar | it can read it up to a point, but when i try to watch the movie it says it can't read the disc :/ |
| 01:02.58 | JustinHH | magyar, try places --> my computer |
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| 01:05.16 | Danar | :( |
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| 01:07.10 | gravity | heh |
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| 01:08.18 | c_olin | is there a way to see what version of debian you are running? |
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| 01:08.42 | zinx | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:08.51 | zinx | or browse your sources.list |
| 01:08.52 | c_olin | simple enough |
| 01:09.18 | zinx | it's possible to run more than one at once, but your system will be incredibly broken and we'll all laugh at you for doing such a stupid thing |
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| 01:09.58 | c_olin | is there a big difference between stable and sarge? are there any big problems? |
| 01:10.11 | c_olin | are there any advantages? |
| 01:10.14 | jim | no difference at all (at THIS moment) |
| 01:10.17 | zinx | sarge *is* stable |
| 01:10.35 | c_olin | do you all use sarge? |
| 01:10.36 | zinx | in a few years, sarge will become obsolete and there will be a new stable, but that time ain't now |
| 01:10.58 | jim | if sarge is in your sources.list, then you'll use sarge even when another version of debian gets released as stable |
| 01:11.01 | zinx | not all of us, but it's the best choice if you want a system that doesn't break every other day |
| 01:11.22 | zburns_ | any hints on how to install madwifi on a laptop with no working net connection. |
| 01:11.34 | jim | if stable is in your sources.list, you'll upgrade to the next version of stable when you say to |
| 01:11.43 | c_olin | so... to upgrade to sarge... i just uncomment the sarge line, and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 01:12.02 | jim | c_olin: what are you running now? |
| 01:12.09 | c_olin | 3.1 stable |
| 01:12.18 | jim | you're running sarge now |
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| 01:12.25 | c_olin | i am? |
| 01:12.28 | jim | yes |
| 01:12.29 | c_olin | :S |
| 01:12.33 | c_olin | howed that happen? |
| 01:12.37 | c_olin | lol |
| 01:12.38 | jim | if sarge is in your sources.list, then you'll use sarge even when another version of debian gets released as stable |
| 01:12.43 | jim | if stable is in your sources.list, you'll upgrade to the next version of stable when you say to |
| 01:13.01 | c_olin | sarge *isnt* in my sources list |
| 01:13.05 | jim | (could it be that stable is in your /etc/apt/sources.list? :) |
| 01:13.45 | c_olin | in my soures.list i have to laines that say "stable main" |
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| 01:13.51 | c_olin | one is src the other is deb |
| 01:13.59 | c_olin | then a security.debian one |
| 01:14.10 | c_olin | and there is one that says sarge main, but it is commented out |
| 01:14.28 | c_olin | i dont see how i could have gotten sarge... lol |
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| 01:14.35 | jim | c_olin: ok, then some time ago when you upgraded, you went from (maybe) woody to sarge |
| 01:15.01 | c_olin | how though? doesnt it rely on the sources.list? |
| 01:15.02 | Segers_J | I was less careful than I should have been while root, I hosed /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4/ with a stupid cp -a. How can I reinstall all packages that put things in there? |
| 01:15.29 | c_olin | apt-get uninstall perl && apt-get install perl |
| 01:15.29 | c_olin | ? |
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| 01:15.30 | jim | c_olin: just before sarge was released as stable, the term "stable" referred to "woody" on the mirrors (symlinked that way or somethign) |
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| 01:16.04 | c_olin | :S |
| 01:16.04 | jim | NO package will ever touch ANYTHING in /usr/local |
| 01:16.12 | c_olin | still not getting it... |
| 01:16.16 | c_olin | oh well |
| 01:16.20 | c_olin | i have sarge.... |
| 01:16.21 | c_olin | lol |
| 01:16.41 | jim | yes... |
| 01:16.49 | jim | ok, here's the deal... |
| 01:16.57 | gravity | c_olin: Your apt sources list points to "stable", right? |
| 01:17.04 | c_olin | gravity: yes |
| 01:17.12 | gravity | c_olin: So, that means that whatever Debian currently considers stable, will be what apt points to |
| 01:17.13 | c_olin | there is a woody one too |
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| 01:17.33 | c_olin | ohh |
| 01:17.33 | c_olin | ok |
| 01:17.35 | Segers_J | jim: really, ok, thanks for the info, I thought that was true, thanks for making me sure. :) |
| 01:17.36 | c_olin | i see |
| 01:17.38 | gravity | Make sense? |
| 01:17.43 | c_olin | yeah |
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| 01:17.57 | c_olin | uncommenting the sarge line wont even make a difference? |
| 01:17.59 | jim | sarge, woody, slink, bo, potato, all those names are debian version "codenames" |
| 01:18.02 | gravity | c_olin: The stable directory is really just a symlink on the Debian ftp servers. It points to whatever the stable release is, be it sarge or woody |
| 01:18.07 | gravity | c_olin: Shouldn't |
| 01:18.23 | c_olin | ok |
| 01:18.24 | c_olin | cool |
| 01:18.25 | c_olin | i get it |
| 01:18.37 | jim | there is a difference that won't matter until etch becomes stable |
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| 01:18.58 | jim | but do you understand so far? |
| 01:19.06 | c_olin | kinda |
| 01:19.10 | jim | sarge, woody, slink, bo, potato, all those names are debian version "codenames" |
| 01:19.16 | c_olin | yeah |
| 01:19.18 | jim | BUT |
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| 01:19.23 | c_olin | ive only heard sarge and woody |
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| 01:19.44 | jim | stable, testing, unstable are -POINTERS- to the codenames |
| 01:20.01 | c_olin | ok |
| 01:20.09 | jim | the whole thing is, these pointers can be changed to point to another codename |
| 01:20.20 | c_olin | and currently sarge is stable |
| 01:20.24 | jim | yes |
| 01:20.26 | inc|freaky | i have a strange problem: im using pppoe (configuring it using pppoeconf). after using pppoeconf i select trigger connection now. connection established everything working, im connected to my provider. after EVERY reboot it doesnt work anymore. i have to manualy do pppoeconf again to make it work. the error in syslog: network down. tried ifup eth0 doesnt work |
| 01:20.27 | c_olin | therefore.. woody and sarge are the same? |
| 01:20.37 | jim | no, woody is the earlier stable |
| 01:20.41 | c_olin | ok |
| 01:20.47 | c_olin | but.. they are both stable ATM |
| 01:20.51 | jim | so you are no longer running woody |
| 01:20.56 | c_olin | ok |
| 01:21.03 | jim | well, yes... I can see your point |
| 01:21.07 | gravity | c_olin: Technically, woody is oldstable |
| 01:21.13 | c_olin | ok |
| 01:21.19 | WhiteRabbit | woody is true blue |
| 01:21.28 | c_olin | but eventually sarge will be unstable? |
| 01:21.29 | c_olin | or |
| 01:21.30 | WhiteRabbit | woody is more sure than a smurf is blue |
| 01:21.30 | c_olin | no |
| 01:21.46 | gravity | c_olin: sid will always be unstable in the current development model |
| 01:21.52 | Segers_J | c_olin: unstable is always codenamed sid |
| 01:21.57 | inc|freaky | can any1 pls help me i cant figure out why this happens :( |
| 01:22.06 | gravity | c_olin: The next stable release will be called etch. That's the name of testing right now. |
| 01:22.11 | Gnea | !pls |
| 01:22.11 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
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| 01:22.25 | c_olin | ohhh |
| 01:22.25 | c_olin | ok |
| 01:22.30 | c_olin | i totally get it now |
| 01:22.36 | jim | so... |
| 01:22.42 | jim | here's what happened to you |
| 01:22.51 | jim | first, you had woody... |
| 01:22.58 | inc|freaky | can anyone please help me i cant figure out why this happens :( |
| 01:23.03 | Gnea | inc|freaky: actually i had the same problem awhile back... what happened was that the configuration settings in /etc/network/interfaces changed for pppoe |
| 01:23.10 | jim | and for a time, woody was "stable" |
| 01:23.18 | inc|freaky | or point me into any direction |
| 01:23.19 | c_olin | so the codenames are a cycle... as debian evolves |
| 01:23.26 | gravity | yes |
| 01:23.29 | Gnea | inc|freaky: and if you'd quit whining, i might even help you. |
| 01:23.37 | jim | but then there came a time when sarge was released |
| 01:23.38 | gravity | Although the codenames are always unique |
| 01:23.41 | c_olin | etch will become stable.. and something else will be the testing or unstable |
| 01:23.41 | inc|freaky | Gnea: thank you that'd be really nice of you :) |
| 01:23.45 | Segers_J | c_olin: I don't think any codenames have been re-used |
| 01:23.55 | gravity | They never will be reused. |
| 01:23.58 | Segers_J | k |
| 01:24.00 | c_olin | yeah, that isnt what i meant |
| 01:24.01 | inc|freaky | Gnea: so, what did you do to fix the problem? |
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| 01:24.09 | c_olin | anyways... i get it now :P |
| 01:24.10 | gravity | We still refer to really old releases by their codenames. |
| 01:24.32 | jim | after that, there came a time when you decided to upgrade your stable system |
| 01:24.38 | liquidangle | I installed knoppix(basically the kitchen sink) but it rocks !!!! |
| 01:24.43 | Gnea | inc|freaky: in return, please do not carry on and whine like a little bitch with negative emoticons, just wait for someone to answer, agreed? |
| 01:24.43 | jim | and (unexpectedly to you) you got woody :) |
| 01:24.52 | jim | err sorry no |
| 01:24.53 | c_olin | heh |
| 01:24.56 | inc|freaky | awkay :) |
| 01:24.57 | jim | and (unexpectedly to you) you got sarge :) |
| 01:25.00 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:25.01 | c_olin | yeah |
| 01:25.02 | c_olin | lol |
| 01:25.22 | jim | so... stable changed out from under you |
| 01:25.36 | gravity | God... it's things like that that make me still love Debian |
| 01:25.39 | Gnea | inc|freaky: ok, do you have anything established currently in your interfaces file regarding the connection? |
| 01:25.39 | jim | and then you said "give me whatever stable is" |
| 01:25.56 | c_olin | yeah, i jsut did an apt-upgrade like 20 minutes ago |
| 01:26.02 | c_olin | apt0-get upgrade* |
| 01:26.07 | c_olin | my keyboatrd sucks |
| 01:26.10 | ccssnet | lol |
| 01:26.13 | c_olin | and so do my typing skills |
| 01:26.13 | ccssnet | noticed |
| 01:26.13 | c_olin | =\ |
| 01:26.20 | jim | you might want to do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:26.25 | c_olin | yeah |
| 01:26.25 | ccssnet | hmm |
| 01:26.28 | c_olin | i tried that afterward |
| 01:26.39 | ccssnet | i treid that on thissystem didnt do anything |
| 01:26.46 | c_olin | same here |
| 01:26.46 | jim | did it do anything? |
| 01:26.48 | Gnea | inc|freaky: if you need to paste it, please use pastebin |
| 01:26.48 | simonrvn | gravity: yeh, really |
| 01:26.51 | ccssnet | jim hows that work |
| 01:26.51 | Gnea | !pastebin |
| 01:26.51 | c_olin | did nothing |
| 01:26.51 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca |
| 01:27.02 | c_olin | what is the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 01:27.11 | simonrvn | fuck this client sucks. brb |
| 01:27.16 | Gnea | c_olin: upgrade is what you want to do before dist-upgrade |
| 01:27.26 | jim | ccssnet: when new packages come in, and then you upgrade, you get the new packages :) |
| 01:27.34 | inc|freaky | Gnea: auto dsl-provider \ iface dsl-provider inet ppp \ provider dsl-provider \ auto eth0 \ iface eth0 inet manual --> and at the top of the file the the config for lo inet loopback |
| 01:27.40 | crispynix-v6 | c_olin: the essential difference seems to be that dist-upgrade will install new packages that installed stuff depends on, while upgrade won't (it'll hold them back) |
| 01:27.49 | Gnea | c_olin: dist-upgrade snags all off the lower-level packages - doing it before taking care of the rest of userland can impact the system into non-work-ness mode |
| 01:27.55 | crispynix-v6 | *new versions of installed stuff |
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| 01:28.07 | ccssnet | jim, so its just a package upgrade not a distrobution upgrade |
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| 01:28.18 | c_olin | so dist-upgrade might put my computer in non-working-ness mode? |
| 01:28.22 | c_olin | lol |
| 01:28.23 | crispynix-v6 | plus dist-ugrade is used to upgrade from e.g. woody to sid |
| 01:28.27 | crispynix-v6 | c_olin: yep |
| 01:28.35 | ccssnet | o |
| 01:28.35 | Gnea | inc|freaky: ooooooooh ok - comment out the stuff for eth0 |
| 01:28.36 | c_olin | ok |
| 01:28.57 | ccssnet | im on a knoppix box so probably wouldnt work on this one |
| 01:29.01 | jim | ccssnet: well a dist consists of lotsa packages... so it is effectively a distribution upgrade which is implemented as a lotsa-packages upgrade |
| 01:29.01 | ccssnet | well a remaster |
| 01:29.05 | ccssnet | but stil |
| 01:29.12 | ccssnet | ok |
| 01:29.17 | ccssnet | thx jim |
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| 01:29.23 | inc|freaky | Gnea: ok did that. will this fix the problem? because pppoeconf always adds these two lines |
| 01:29.23 | Gnea | c_olin: yeah, as in, inoperable. |
| 01:29.38 | jim | but upgrade does somewhat different things than dist-upgrade |
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| 01:30.03 | Gnea | inc|freaky: is there a pre-up script to the dsl-provider? |
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| 01:30.17 | inc|freaky | Gnea: i dont know ... |
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| 01:30.39 | Gnea | inc|freaky: just look at the section again REALLY carefully for the iface... look at the very bottom line |
| 01:30.43 | inc|freaky | Gnea: pon it is i think is what you asking for |
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| 01:31.03 | Gnea | inc|freaky: but nothing like this? pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf |
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| 01:31.51 | inc|freaky | no i dont need that. i tried doing manually ifup eth0 after a reboot and then executing the pon script it still doesnt dialin error in syslog network down. |
| 01:32.06 | Gnea | okay. |
| 01:32.07 | Gnea | so |
| 01:32.24 | Gnea | you're telling me that your shit doesn't work, and at the same time you're telling me that the solution isn't what you need? |
| 01:32.49 | inc|freaky | isnt ifup eth0 the same as ifconfig eth0 up? |
| 01:32.54 | Gnea | no. |
| 01:32.58 | inc|freaky | Gnea: oh ok sorry |
| 01:33.01 | Gnea | ifup is a script which references ifconfig |
| 01:33.13 | Gnea | they are 2 distinctly different commamnds |
| 01:33.16 | Gnea | -m |
| 01:33.18 | Gnea | np |
| 01:33.20 | bob2 | ifup only works if /etc/network/interfaces is setup correctly |
| 01:33.36 | Gnea | inc|freaky: so comment out auto eth0 and the iface eth0 lines |
| 01:33.43 | jim | ifup looks at /etc/network/interfaces to determine how and what to do |
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| 01:33.52 | Gnea | inc|freaky: and at the bottom of the iface dsl-provider, add a new line: pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 01:34.14 | Gnea | inc|freaky: save it and reboot, report back here with the results |
| 01:34.38 | inc|freaky | Gnea: thank you, on my way |
| 01:34.42 | jim | he won't be able to make unfavorable reports :P |
| 01:34.43 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:34.48 | Gnea | hehehe |
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| 01:36.35 | Gnea | hrm |
| 01:37.02 | Gnea | ever since i set my terminal to UTF-8, screen has been throwing a fit over ansi fonts |
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| 01:37.18 | Gnea | hrm |
| 01:37.54 | sward | Gnea. bah! |
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| 01:38.33 | bernouli | if i have 7200 rpm hdd, how much mbit/s is it equal to? |
| 01:38.44 | inc|freaky | it works, thank you very much! :) |
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| 01:38.54 | NSK | each 7200rpm HDD has different mbit/s |
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| 01:39.08 | inc|freaky | but im sure it sets up networking before ... it must be a error on there now the network becomes setup twice once the wrong way once the right way because it worked before it happened after upgrading to etch |
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| 01:39.11 | Gnea | hrm, font's okay out of screen... |
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| 01:39.21 | NSK | a 7200rpm HDD should be able to transfer 50MB of data per second |
| 01:39.36 | sward | Gnea: Do you use screen -U ? |
| 01:39.37 | Gnea | inc|freaky: you had to pppoeconf again? |
| 01:39.43 | inc|freaky | Gnea: no :)) |
| 01:39.49 | Gnea | inc|freaky: oh, it worked? :) |
| 01:39.56 | inc|freaky | yea :D |
| 01:40.04 | Gnea | sward: no |
| 01:40.08 | Gnea | hrm |
| 01:40.15 | Gnea | inc|freaky: good deal :) |
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| 01:40.43 | bernouli | usb 2.0 can support up to 480 mbit/s, can i reach its max value if i copy files from it to 7200 rpm hdd |
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| 01:42.04 | NSK | 480mbit/s is 60MB eh? |
| 01:42.23 | inc|freaky | where did Gnea go? |
| 01:42.27 | bernouli | i see |
| 01:42.31 | NSK | a byte is 8 bits |
| 01:42.37 | NSK | mbit is 1 million bits |
| 01:43.01 | bernouli | is it ? :) |
| 01:43.10 | sward | inc|freaky: To the void (I'm sure Gnea will be back) |
| 01:43.25 | inc|freaky | NSK: and why do they sometimes divide by 1024? |
| 01:44.04 | bob2 | bernouli: usb 2.0 is apparently really bad at keeping up peak performance |
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| 01:44.39 | bob2 | inc|freaky: it depends who you're talking to. some people say "megabyte" and mean 1 000 000, others mean 1024 * 1024 |
| 01:44.47 | bob2 | hard disks are almsot always in terms of 1 000 000 |
| 01:44.52 | bob2 | ram is always 1024 * 1024 |
| 01:45.07 | NSK | it depends on whether we use SI units or not. |
| 01:45.09 | inc|freaky | ic |
| 01:45.21 | inc|freaky | what are SI units? |
| 01:45.30 | sward | inc|freaky: Possible mis-interpretation, or possibly even correct: MB = 1000000 Bytes; MiB = 1048576 Bytes = 1024*1024 Bytes |
| 01:45.33 | bernouli | bob2, isnt internet connection also has term of 1024? |
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| 01:46.08 | bob2 | bernouli: good question, I don't know |
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| 01:46.35 | bernouli | i think basically 1 kbit = 1024 bit |
| 01:46.59 | bernouli | no matter is it ram or hdd or internet connection |
| 01:47.20 | sward | Take the standard prefix to mean the same as it does with any other SI unit |
| 01:47.27 | NSK | SI units are MB (megabyte), KB etc and they are based on the decimal syste. so 1MB = 1000000 bytes |
| 01:47.30 | thecoolestcow | hey, got a question. my friend runs ubuntu and i was wondering, because it's based on debian, if i could install debian packages on it |
| 01:47.38 | sward | at best you're under-estimating |
| 01:47.50 | bob2 | thecoolestcow: no |
| 01:48.06 | NSK | IEC units are MiB (mebibyte), KiB, etc and they are based on the binary system, so 1 MiB = 1024 * 1024 bytes |
| 01:48.06 | SuperNinjaKitty | the 1024 is an accuracy thing |
| 01:48.14 | sward | NSK: kilo is not capital k |
| 01:48.15 | thecoolestcow | bob2: sucks. so i would need an ubuntu specific package or something? ( i know nothing about ubuntu) |
| 01:48.38 | NSK | yes it should not be capital you are right |
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| 01:48.53 | Gnea | ugh |
| 01:48.55 | Gnea | it still does it |
| 01:49.00 | SuperNinjaKitty | thecool, you can instal debiand packages on ubuntu |
| 01:49.08 | bob2 | thecoolestcow: yes |
| 01:49.19 | Gnea | did a screen -U, still messes the font up |
| 01:49.25 | bob2 | thecoolestcow: just like you can't generally install libranet packages on debian, or even debian sid packages on woody |
| 01:49.31 | Gnea | and can't find the option for .screenrc |
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| 01:50.08 | inc|freaky | NSK: what does IEC stand for? |
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| 01:50.53 | SuperNinjaKitty | International Electrotechnical Commission |
| 01:51.10 | inc|freaky | thx :D |
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| 01:56.11 | smokerfat | Wow, what is with the horrible CSS capabilities with mozilla? |
| 01:56.23 | smokerfat | it turned my work of art into a work of ugly |
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| 01:57.13 | sward | smokerfat: Just so you know, this is #debian |
| 01:57.36 | dondelelcaro | not #geeicantwritecss |
| 01:57.38 | vipersniper | im trying to install the drivers for my video card by apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common but does not work |
| 01:58.11 | vipersniper | can someone help |
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| 01:58.18 | smokerfat | sorry guys.. that's ok, i'll be back with debian related issues.. up til then.. goodnight |
| 01:58.19 | dondelelcaro | vipersniper: you have to follow the second step, and use m-a to actually build the kernel modules |
| 01:58.24 | SuperNinjaKitty | viper do you get and error? |
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| 01:58.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell vipersniper -about nvidia |
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| 01:59.00 | dondelelcaro | vipersniper: start with those instructions; and then if you get stuck, give us the exact output of the command that you're stuck on. |
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| 02:00.59 | vipersniper | apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common |
| 02:00.59 | vipersniper | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 02:00.59 | vipersniper | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 02:00.59 | vipersniper | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 02:01.25 | dondelelcaro | !info nvidia-kernel-source |
| 02:01.26 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1362 kB, Installed size: 1404 kB |
| 02:01.30 | dondelelcaro | vipersniper: see above. |
| 02:01.38 | gratuit | I have openoffice.org2-gnome installed, and OOo 2 renders with gtk widgits when I'm in gnome, but does anyone know how to get it to use gtk widgits when I'm using another WM? |
| 02:01.40 | dondelelcaro | vipersniper: and please don't paste here ever. |
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| 02:02.49 | SammyTheSnake | can somebody who's got a working squid setup tell me what the ownership / permissions are on /var/spool/squid/swap.state ? |
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| 02:08.46 | krassy1809 | my new just instaled custom kernel won`t boot because i don`t have a initrd.img in my boot directory.What is solution of this problem ? |
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| 02:09.43 | foomonkey | hey kids... I thought my ~/.bash_profile would be executed on login. It doesn't. Why not? |
| 02:11.04 | nite613 | krassy1809: man mkinitrd |
| 02:11.29 | LinuxGold | ##Slackware |
| 02:11.31 | LinuxGold | oops |
| 02:12.10 | stew | krassy1809: you need to either create a initrs by using the --initd flag to make-kpkg or by using initrd, or you need to compile the drivers for the root filesystem and the hard disk controller directly into the kernel |
| 02:12.23 | stew | krassy1809: most people that build custom kernels don't bother with an initrd |
| 02:12.48 | stew | foomonkey: it should be if your shell is bash |
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| 02:14.16 | foomonkey | stew: it is. I checked out /etc/passwd and I'm in there with /bin/bash |
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| 02:15.24 | stew | foomonkey: then what makes you think that .bash_profile isn't being executed? |
| 02:15.27 | SammyTheSnake | stew: thanks, I thought root:proxy looked suspicious :( |
| 02:15.31 | kevix | hi folks, anyone know why keyboard works in console, in wdm but know when I log into gnome and mouse works. |
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| 02:15.52 | krassy1809 | Do my custom kernel boot if i compile it with drivers for the root filesystem and the hard disk controller directly but no using the --initd flag to make-kpkg ? |
| 02:16.11 | foomonkey | I've got export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/jdk and it doesn't get set. I can run . ~/.bash_profile and then it does get set. |
| 02:16.20 | stew | krassy1809: if you compile them in directly there is no need for initrd |
| 02:16.34 | krassy1809 | thanx |
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| 02:16.52 | foomonkey | stew: the 'export' statement is in .bash_profile I meant |
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| 02:17.50 | stew | foomonkey: and you are loggin in how? |
| 02:18.33 | guiss | i'm havin trouble trying to install debian on a sis 645l based sata chip |
| 02:18.46 | foomonkey | stew: I login through gdm. Doesn't that still run .bash_profile? |
| 02:19.05 | guiss | is there any way that i can start a fresh install with a kernel that has support for sis 645L? |
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| 02:19.55 | kevix | hi folks, anyone know why keyboard works in console and in wdm but not when I log into gnome but still mouse works. |
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| 02:20.03 | doleyb | guiss: did you try typing linux2.6 on the prompt when your install cd first boots? (the very first thing) |
| 02:20.28 | litage | what's the difference between "ln -s /foo/bar /dest" and "ln -s /foo/bar/ /dest"? |
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| 02:21.13 | guiss | doleyb, yes, i did that but still doesn't recognices me the sata driver. I've read that SiS developed a path in order to get support for 645 based chips, but i assume that driver donesn't come with 2.6.8-10 in sarge |
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| 02:21.47 | guiss | doleyb, I also tried installing amd64 port with the same results |
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| 02:21.52 | stew | foomonkey: no, i think gdm is completely different |
| 02:21.59 | stew | !wikifaq foomonkey DotFiles |
| 02:22.00 | dpkg | foomonkey: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 02:22.03 | asg | litage: is this a quiz? try them both; observe the differences if there are any. |
| 02:22.07 | stew | foomonkey: it will be in there somewhere ^^^ |
| 02:22.32 | foomonkey | thanks friends! I'll do a bit of RTFM'ing. |
| 02:22.34 | litage | asg: the only difference is that one links to /foo/bar and the other to /foo/bar/. however, i don't know if that difference matters |
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| 02:22.51 | sched | Hi panthera! |
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| 02:24.37 | poonj | hey guys |
| 02:24.51 | poonj | does the PVR-350 allow two inputs for recording? |
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| 02:24.54 | poonj | or only the PVR-500? |
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| 02:25.07 | WhiteStone | Hi everyone |
| 02:25.07 | simonrvn | try #hardware |
| 02:25.31 | stew | poonj: afaik the pvr-350 can only record one thing at a time, i'd ask #mythtv-users though |
| 02:25.44 | WhiteStone | I have a quick Q… I have a computer I'm going to be setting up and I would like to know if it would be better to put Windoze on it first, or Debian on it first |
| 02:25.51 | WhiteStone | Unfortunately Windoze is needed on the system |
| 02:26.00 | stew | WhiteStone: windows first is easier |
| 02:26.13 | magyar | i am trying to install etch, but when the installer gets to "seting-up base-config" it just sits there and nothing happens. Can someone help a brother? |
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| 02:26.46 | poonj | whoops |
| 02:26.46 | Brett | hey, i am running a dell inspiron 6000, and i installed debian base with sarge netinstaller. With some work i then got the 2.6.13 kernel compiled and running. I put Xorg on, and still working fine, but when i installed gnome and all of its dependencies using dselect, the system hangs at boot at: Starting MTA Any suggestions |
| 02:26.51 | poonj | I asked in the wrong channel |
| 02:26.51 | poonj | ;) |
| 02:26.52 | poonj | thanks |
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| 02:26.55 | tedjohntj | anyone tell me how big of a pain is it to install webcp |
| 02:27.22 | Brett | i even went into /ete/init.d and took out exim4 but then it hangs at starting print spooler: lds |
| 02:27.33 | asg | litage: actually, it's ln -s <dest> <link name>. You're issue is probably due to you having /dest at the end. |
| 02:27.34 | Brett | The 2.4 kernel that came with sarge still boots fine |
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| 02:28.01 | stew | Brett: sounds like its a DNS (maybe becuase of a networking) problem |
| 02:28.33 | vagaboignd | hhi |
| 02:28.44 | stew | Brett: make sure your machine name is in /etc/hosts |
| 02:28.46 | WhiteStone | asg: Is dest the location of the link or the location of the file being linked? |
| 02:28.49 | litage | asg: that's not the issue at all. the only difference is an extra "/" at the end of /foo/bar |
| 02:29.01 | litage | WhiteRabbit: the location of the link |
| 02:29.13 | litage | ack backwards |
| 02:29.17 | tedjohntj | anyone installed webcp before? |
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| 02:29.22 | WhiteStone | My names White *stone* but ok, lol |
| 02:29.23 | WhiteRabbit | litage, Dam auto completion! |
| 02:29.41 | litage | WhiteRabbit: ln -s <file to link to> <path to link> |
| 02:29.42 | Brett | Hmm... what would my machine name be... i have never really learnt much about networking heh |
| 02:29.57 | stew | Brett: type hostname |
| 02:29.57 | WhiteStone | Brett: Home or enterprise network? |
| 02:30.03 | litage | Brett: anything you want |
| 02:30.05 | WhiteRabbit | Brett, What's your favorite tv show or movie? |
| 02:30.08 | Brett | i am on windows right now actually |
| 02:30.09 | WhiteRabbit | Brett, or book? |
| 02:30.13 | Brett | lol |
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| 02:30.17 | WhiteStone | Are you looking to name it or find out the name |
| 02:30.30 | litage | Brett: eg: i'm naming my servers after animals (camel, elephant, mouse, rat, ...) |
| 02:30.39 | tedjohntj | anyone installed web-cp before? |
| 02:30.40 | WhiteStone | (my old laptop's name is Oiler because the windows ID for it was 01l3r) |
| 02:30.40 | Brett | i think i named it brettsbox |
| 02:30.48 | WhiteRabbit | Brett, jedininja01 etc |
| 02:30.51 | stew | Brett: its whatever is in /etc/hostname |
| 02:30.54 | vagaboignd | but for shore does australians used bongs? |
| 02:30.54 | Brett | hmm okay |
| 02:31.14 | WhiteStone | Pick something useful like Starfish or MrPenguin |
| 02:31.14 | WhiteStone | lol |
| 02:31.25 | asg | or pick your nose |
| 02:31.40 | WhiteStone | I noticed windows people give hungarian notation names for their computes |
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| 02:31.50 | WhiteStone | but the linux people just use random and weird names |
| 02:32.37 | Brett | Would a DNS problem account for it to hang at loading print spooler |
| 02:32.38 | asg | WhiteStone: random: no. wierd: it depends |
| 02:32.38 | nite613 | Anyone know where I can find a list of likely backup superblock addresses for ext2? I know 8193 since fsck told me, but I also know they're different depending on the block size |
| 02:32.38 | stew | Brett: possibly, i've definately seen that with an MTA before |
| 02:32.38 | WhiteStone | asg: I guess that's just me then |
| 02:32.38 | tedjohntj | anyone installed webcp before that could give me a hand? |
| 02:32.38 | WhiteStone | asg: As I have no clue why my desktop was named Starfish |
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| 02:32.44 | asg | WhiteStone: who named it? |
| 02:32.48 | WhiteStone | asg: I did |
| 02:33.09 | asg | WhiteStone: so you magic 2^8 balled it eh? |
| 02:33.15 | WhiteStone | After the reformat it was named StarfishReloaded.. but that was because it was "Starfish" that was reloaded on to the system |
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| 02:33.23 | WhiteStone | asg: pretty much just picked something |
| 02:33.53 | WhiteStone | Isn't there a patch for Gnome/KDE that gives it a mac-like global menu? |
| 02:34.09 | Brett | yeah i did some searching on the MTA because the first time i compiled the 2.6 kernel that happened... and i tried to do what had been suggested, but it did not work. So i then deleted the desktop install of debian and just went with a base install, which leads me to believe that it is something more than a network thing cause i only got messed up after installing gnome |
| 02:34.24 | tedjohntj | anyone installed web-cp before that could give me a hand? |
| 02:34.35 | asg | tedjohntj: wtf is web-cp |
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| 02:34.39 | gravity | WhiteStone: It used to be something you could just configure. I'm not sure if it still exists for either. Probably KDE at least. |
| 02:34.44 | WhiteStone | asg: My guess is "web control panel" |
| 02:34.47 | WhiteStone | or web copy |
| 02:34.57 | tedjohntj | yes |
| 02:35.04 | tedjohntj | control panel |
| 02:35.04 | WhiteStone | which one was it |
| 02:35.09 | tedjohntj | web |
| 02:35.27 | asg | WhiteStone: I figured that, I wanted to know if it was a Debian package or something some company produces that fails to work utterly. |
| 02:35.48 | WhiteStone | Just because a company made it doesn't mean it sucks |
| 02:36.05 | tedjohntj | lol |
| 02:36.10 | asg | WhiteStone: no, but it often means that we don't support it because there is a company that does. |
| 02:36.31 | asg | WhiteStone: hence cpanel and their ilk |
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| 02:36.47 | tedjohntj | it has a setup for debian but i really suck with linux and i just can't get it |
| 02:36.48 | Brett | It's really annoying cause i have been working at setting this baby up for like a week now.. and i had made some progress hehe ;) |
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| 02:37.04 | ufito | Un saludo estimados amigos desde WWW.SOMOSLIBRES.ORG |
| 02:37.27 | tedjohntj | if it says it needs something i load it but still something is wrong |
| 02:37.31 | feross | hey I have a power adapter for a laptop that I got from an HP and I want to use it on an Asus.. Do you guys think it won't break the lappy or anything? the output says 3.16A on the HP and 3.42A on the one from the Asus.. Also the Asus has a ground the HP one does not. Any suggestions, should I use it? |
| 02:37.33 | asg | !tell ufito about es |
| 02:37.39 | WhiteStone | Brett: It has taken you a week to set up a linux box? :o |
| 02:37.43 | Brett | haha |
| 02:37.48 | vagaboignd | !seen destiny |
| 02:37.49 | dpkg | destiny <n=lisa@229.a.001lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 41d 20h 28m 41s ago, saying: 'JimButton: you are as cute as a button, aren't you? :)'. |
| 02:37.51 | ufito | Ok... Iamspeak spanish ... |
| 02:37.55 | ufito | soo english. .. |
| 02:37.56 | gravity | !es |
| 02:37.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:38.15 | asg | ufito: yes, this is the English Channel. |
| 02:38.17 | ufito | good night ... from www.SOMOSLIBRES.ORG from Peru |
| 02:38.30 | Brett | well bear in mind that i am compiling a kernel for the first time, patching it with a few patches, trying to figure out how to get the SATA for this HD to work and it is a laptop |
| 02:38.42 | WhiteStone | Oh a laptop |
| 02:38.50 | WhiteStone | that only took me like four days but ACPI didn't work |
| 02:38.50 | WhiteStone | lol |
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| 02:39.43 | Brett | its too new heh... it would be fine with the 2.4 kernel, but the 2.4 doesnt support the ACPI stuff as well as the Broadcom ethernet card + the ipw2200 |
| 02:40.19 | WhiteStone | I'm currently debating over another Mac box or a Lin box... |
| 02:40.26 | WhiteStone | My experience with lin boxes is half t he stuff doesn't work |
| 02:40.50 | asg | WhiteStone: then buy a Mac box if that works for you |
| 02:41.05 | WhiteStone | I looked at ThinkPads... those supposedly work with linux |
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| 02:41.14 | lakcaj | Yeah, that's what I would do. Buy a mac. In fact, you can always installing linux on your mac too. |
| 02:41.19 | asg | WhiteStone: my R40 works well with Debian and OpenBSD. |
| 02:41.22 | lakcaj | s/installing/install |
| 02:41.25 | Brett | if you want easy dont go with the dell inspiron 6000 |
| 02:41.41 | vagaboignd | we are all asleep |
| 02:41.47 | WhiteStone | My only regrets and angers are at the overpricedness of Apple's |
| 02:41.49 | asg | Brett: older Dells are nice, newer ones are crap; just like Dell these days |
| 02:41.54 | Brett | yeah |
| 02:41.57 | WhiteStone | Great systems, breeze to use, cost 80% more than everything else |
| 02:42.14 | Brett | an old toshiba i had was not bad to set up |
| 02:42.24 | asg | Brett: this latitude d600 is okay (besides an utter lack of suspend/ram/disk) Other than that; quite good. |
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| 02:42.31 | WhiteStone | My old dell latitude was only hard to set up because the CD wouldn't read right |
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| 02:43.51 | Brett | hmm well i am gonna go check the hosts file.. but i am pretty sure that it will still hang.. you never know thought ;) thx for some helo |
| 02:43.53 | Brett | help* |
| 02:44.36 | nite613 | The only recommendation I've found for finding backup superblocks involves dd yourself a file the same size as the FS in question and then making a filesystem on it to see what positions it uses. Surely there is a better way? Just a table listing common default blocksizes and corresponding positions for the backup superblocks? |
| 02:44.42 | asg | WhiteStone: the interesting thing about the D600 is that Windows out of the box supports neither the gig nic nor the wireless. At least Debian and the BSDs support the nic making it a much easier install. |
| 02:45.05 | WhiteStone | Supposedly there are no Airport Extreme drivers |
| 02:45.07 | WhiteStone | for linux |
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| 02:45.22 | asg | WhiteStone: #debianppc might know |
| 02:46.27 | llama32 | whats the name of that Gnome project manager? i think it might of once been called MrProject, now something different... |
| 02:46.37 | WhiteStone | Planner |
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| 02:46.44 | llama32 | thanks WhiteStone |
| 02:46.53 | WhiteStone | :) |
| 02:48.11 | WhiteStone | blah, why does gnome not have a tour section :/ |
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| 02:48.34 | NOthsouth | Hello, HOw can I load a module for apache2?? i need load rewrite module.. |
| 02:48.43 | asg | WhiteStone: bah, the only tour you need is where to find the rxvts |
| 02:48.59 | WhiteStone | On the front page they're all like "Ooh look at the new features" |
| 02:49.05 | WhiteStone | But I cant find where i *can* look at them |
| 02:49.09 | asg | NOthsouth: a2enmod |
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| 02:50.15 | NOthsouth | asg, :D |
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| 02:54.17 | NOthsouth | asg, when I try to load a2enmod /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so, it said: This module does not exist! |
| 02:56.02 | asg | NOthsouth: type a2enmod. You will be given a list from which you can choose 'rewrite' |
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| 02:57.20 | NOthsouth | asg, hahaahuah DUH.. thx |
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| 03:00.20 | coywolf | how to allow the "[1] Done" be able to interrupt the shell? ie, it shows up without <enter> |
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| 03:02.27 | dondelelcaro | coywolf: set -b; man bash; help set. |
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| 03:03.40 | coywolf | dondelelcaro, danke |
| 03:04.03 | coywolf | dondelelcaro, how is it in tcsh? |
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| 03:04.08 | WhiteStone | apparently there is no global menu ability in gnome |
| 03:04.10 | dondelelcaro | coywolf: dunno; I don't use tcsh |
| 03:04.40 | gravity | People still use c shells? |
| 03:04.56 | coywolf | gravity, wtf |
| 03:05.29 | dondelelcaro | it is an honest question... for the most part other shells have taken over |
| 03:05.41 | dondelelcaro | it's a rare person that uses something besides bash or zsh |
| 03:06.01 | dondelelcaro | (unless they have no choice because the unix they are using is a POS) |
| 03:06.05 | gravity | coywolf: Bourne shells have come a long way since csh was way ahead of sh |
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| 03:06.30 | coywolf | gravity, but, what's wrong with tcsh |
| 03:06.48 | gravity | coywolf: Nothing really, except that you shouldn't be scripting it directly |
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| 03:07.16 | gravity | I didn't mind tcsh for the month or so I tried it a while back |
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| 03:07.55 | ecliptik | I'm transferring from an old harddrive to a new one (same size, same partitions, using cp -a * on knoppix), now how would I get grep installed on this new drive? |
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| 03:11.24 | brett | hmm |
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| 03:11.55 | brett | by puting auto eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces i was able to fix the hang when booting the 2.6.13 kernel |
| 03:12.16 | dregan_ | I am having trouble selecting a ftp/ssh version that suites my need - proftpd seems to be best ( DefaultRoot ~ ) is just what I need. Apt-get install proftpd cannot seem to source half the packages - is there some way I can download a manual install? |
| 03:12.37 | bob2 | dregan_: you need to show us the full apt error, and your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:12.59 | dregan_ | bob2: thank you - how shall I get them to you |
| 03:13.18 | bob2 | #flood is a good choice |
| 03:13.19 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 03:13.19 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
| 03:13.20 | dregan_ | is it ok to copy and past them here |
| 03:13.51 | dondelelcaro | dregan_: no, only using the paster bot or #flood. |
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| 03:14.20 | dregan_ | I don't know what flood is - there is no help on that |
| 03:14.38 | dondelelcaro | dregan_: a channel; regardless, if it's confusing, use channels.debian.net/paste |
| 03:15.29 | brett | heh, Now is anyone firmiliar with the ipw2200 drivers, i am having a real hard time compiling them, it gives me a error when i make install, and i have no idea what it is telling me |
| 03:15.48 | bob2 | and the error is ... |
| 03:15.51 | bob2 | (not in here) |
| 03:15.55 | dregan_ | channels.debian.net/paste |
| 03:15.57 | brett | it gives me storage size, defined not used errors |
| 03:16.11 | Roots | unfortunately no brett. But I need to install them myself eventually. For now I'm "borrowing" a friend's PCMCIA wireless card :) |
| 03:16.15 | brett | how do i go about pasting it into #flood |
| 03:16.20 | brett | hehehe |
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| 03:17.02 | dondelelcaro | brett: just use channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 03:17.33 | guevolt | Someone understand german here? |
| 03:17.48 | bob2 | !+german |
| 03:17.48 | dpkg | hmm... german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 03:17.49 | Roots | WUNDERBAR!!! |
| 03:17.58 | Roots | That's the only word I know >+< |
| 03:18.55 | brett | yeah, that's a cool little app, now how do i get the errors coppied is what i need to know.... |
| 03:19.20 | bob2 | not true |
| 03:19.26 | bob2 | DASBLINKENLIGHTS |
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| 03:21.16 | Grassmunk | could someone please help me, im having some dns issues |
| 03:21.18 | guevolt | root: I need a help. I'm learning german and i need do a exercise(write a letter). Someone can read it? Maybe have some errors |
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| 03:22.08 | Grassmunk | ive pasted my /etc/network/interfaces file in flood |
| 03:22.13 | guevolt | Roots: can you help me ? |
| 03:22.39 | brett | So, can anyone tell me how i can go about pasting the error output into channels.debian.org/paste |
| 03:22.40 | ^^DrAcO^^ | qual o melhor firewal pra linux ? |
| 03:22.47 | bob2 | ^^DrAcO^^: no |
| 03:22.55 | bob2 | Grassmunk: can you ping your dns servers? |
| 03:23.01 | guevolt | ^^DrAcO^^: iptables |
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| 03:23.06 | Grassmunk | yea, no problems there at all |
| 03:23.16 | ^^DrAcO^^ | valew |
| 03:23.19 | bob2 | Grassmunk: and the problem is... |
| 03:23.19 | guevolt | ^^DrAcO^^: debian-br |
| 03:23.36 | Grassmunk | when i try pinging something like google.ca it times out |
| 03:23.42 | Grassmunk | 'unknown host' |
| 03:24.09 | bob2 | can you query them manually? |
| 03:24.11 | bob2 | ie |
| 03:24.15 | bob2 | host google.com 1.2.3.4 |
| 03:24.19 | bob2 | where 1.2.3.4 is your dns server ip |
| 03:24.31 | Grassmunk | trying, dont have host installed |
| 03:24.38 | bob2 | or dig |
| 03:24.42 | Grassmunk | nope :( |
| 03:24.53 | Grassmunk | changing my sources file to ips now |
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| 03:26.59 | Grassmunk | host google.com 216.58.97.21 |
| 03:26.59 | Grassmunk | google.com A 216.239.57.99 |
| 03:26.59 | Grassmunk | google.com A 216.239.37.99 |
| 03:27.22 | Grassmunk | so host works |
| 03:28.05 | Grassmunk | and i can ping that ip |
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| 03:29.14 | Grassmunk | is it my interfaces file? |
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| 03:29.17 | bob2 | no |
| 03:29.27 | bob2 | nameservers are in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:29.28 | ^^DrAcO^^ | nossa |
| 03:29.41 | ^^DrAcO^^ | como bota o iptables pra funcionar ? |
| 03:29.49 | ilpavox | is there an easy way to convert a plane old source package into a deb file so i can uninstall the binary easily |
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| 03:30.40 | kevix | ilpavox: apt-get install alien ? |
| 03:30.45 | kevix | !alien |
| 03:30.45 | dpkg | i guess alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 03:30.47 | Grassmunk | hah |
| 03:30.49 | acad | i need to remove gimpshop but when i do dpkg -r gimpshop it depends on gimpshop-helpbrowser, unfortenitly if i try to remove that it says it depends on gimpshop. any suggestions? |
| 03:30.50 | Grassmunk | thanks bob2 |
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| 03:31.13 | ilpavox | kevin: it's not a package. its a tar.bz2 |
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| 03:31.26 | Grassmunk | my resolv.conf was all screwed up from a move from one server to another, you rock! |
| 03:31.39 | kevix | acad: you do know about apt-get ? |
| 03:31.45 | acad | kevix yes |
| 03:31.56 | Grassmunk | thanks |
| 03:32.15 | kevix | acad: so why would you want to manually remove a package with dependenceis with dpkg and not apt-get ? |
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| 03:32.26 | acad | kevix, aww good question |
| 03:32.52 | EruditeHermit | has anyone else experienced system paralysis when upgrading to libgc1c2 on testing? |
| 03:33.04 | acad | kevix when i use apt-get to remove i get unmet dependencies issues |
| 03:33.18 | bob2 | what's the replacement for "fdisk /mbr" in windows xp? |
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| 03:33.26 | acad | kevix don't even ask how i got them since i've only been using one source. |
| 03:33.27 | EruditeHermit | I was able to fix it by downgrading, but it might be an RC bug |
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| 03:34.11 | ilpavox | kevin: it's not a package it's compressed source i want to be able to controle with debian package manager |
| 03:34.20 | kevix | acad: would you want to do 'apt-get -f install' to fix the depenencies and then do apt-get remove ? |
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| 03:34.29 | brett | So, can anyone tell me how i can go about pasting the error output when trying to compile the ipw2200 driver into channels.debian.org/paste |
| 03:34.44 | ^^DrAcO^^ | Alguem poderia me ajudar a usar o iptables |
| 03:34.58 | acad | kevix when i do apt-get -f install i get trying to overwrite ... xxx is also in package libgimpshop2.0 |
| 03:35.18 | acad | kevix and then of course it fails |
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| 03:35.50 | secher | Heyas all. I went to install Evolution, just to try it out, ( in unstable ) and Evol requires libsoup2.2-7, but Sid is already up to 2.2-8. Do you think it's safe to force the install, or should I be more cautious? |
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| 03:36.44 | dregan_ | Does this link help - content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/808. |
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| 03:37.57 | secher | ok, am I *really* lagged, or is it unusually quiet this evening.... |
| 03:38.32 | secher | dpkg test |
| 03:38.32 | dpkg | Sorry, secher, I didn't get your test. |
| 03:38.41 | secher | apt test |
| 03:38.42 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 03:39.00 | secher | no lag.. whew.. is there some disaster going on that I need to know about? |
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| 03:39.11 | kevix | acad: then use dpkg --force-overwrite ? |
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| 03:40.49 | brett | dregan_: How did you get all of that output onto the page? |
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| 03:41.29 | secher | updatedb |
| 03:41.32 | secher | whoops. |
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| 03:42.11 | kevix | secher: are you running: sarge,stable,testing or sid? |
| 03:42.17 | secher | sid |
| 03:42.24 | gnu_lu | greetings, would anyone be so kind as to help me with a loop back issue on ssh |
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| 03:42.36 | gnu_lu | i want to use vnc through ssh |
| 03:42.56 | acad | kevix got it |
| 03:42.58 | acad | thanks! |
| 03:43.07 | gnu_lu | i have tried to no avail with putty, and no luck |
| 03:43.09 | kevix | secher: if you are running sid, where is the problem? |
| 03:43.25 | gnu_lu | 1 sec brb |
| 03:43.28 | kevix | acad: did you install it or uninstall? |
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| 03:44.05 | brett | So, can anyone tell me how i can go about pasting the errors i get when trying to compile the ipw2200 driver into channels.debian.org/paste |
| 03:44.16 | Kobaz | ~find libSDL_image-1.2.so.0 |
| 03:44.21 | secher | kevix: sid is up to 2.2-8, but Evo needs 2.2-7, and all I need to know is if the consensus is that it's reasonably safe to do a force of Evolution, or could that really screw some thing up? |
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| 03:45.47 | acad | kevix i installed it |
| 03:45.51 | kevix | secher: when you do apt-get install evolution, does apt want to remove lots of stuff? |
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| 03:46.12 | kevix | brett: have you tried "module-assistant" ! |
| 03:46.16 | nite613 | gnu_lu: you need to set up your ssh client to do a "local port forward" to localhost:5900. In linux that's -L5900:localhost:5900, in putty its SSH/Tunnels "Local" source port 5900, destination localhost:5900 |
| 03:46.28 | nite613 | gnu_lu: Then you tell VNC on the client machine to connect to localhost |
| 03:46.34 | kevix | acad: is it very different from gimp? |
| 03:46.49 | nite613 | That's all very confusing when using the same port numbers... |
| 03:46.59 | secher | kevix: no, it's telling me that it won't install evolution becuase there's a dependency on libsoup2.2-7 that's not being met. I don't even get to the package install/uninstall point. |
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| 03:47.31 | acad | kevix i don't know- i'm not sure why it differed to begin with |
| 03:47.38 | nite613 | -L5959:localhost:5900 or "source port" 5959 in putty would make it so vnc needs to connect to localhost:5959, that get forwarded over the SSH tunnel and when it emerges the connection goes to "localhost:5900" on the server end |
| 03:47.45 | kevix | secher: so if you did a 'apt-get update' it might fix that? |
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| 03:48.06 | secher | just did one.. not an hour ago. |
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| 03:48.11 | secher | I'll try again. |
| 03:48.12 | brett | kevix : Yeah that was the first method i tried to instal the drivers but it gave me a whole bunch of errors as well |
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| 03:48.18 | kevix | acad: the idea was to make a photoshop lookalike using gimp. |
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| 03:48.49 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I will KILL you. |
| 03:48.50 | kevix | brett: well those errors are sure should lead to the answer! |
| 03:49.24 | acad | kevix ohh you mean the difference between gimpshop & gimp- i didn't notice it but i'm looking at cosmetics. |
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| 03:50.26 | sudarat | ´Õ¤Ğè |
| 03:51.11 | acad | kevix actually the gimpshop just tweaks the menu i think |
| 03:51.14 | sudarat | ´Õ¤èĞ |
| 03:51.14 | sudarat | ª×èÍÅ |
| 03:51.17 | TwistedEmotions | kk guys I got a problem... moved out to a new place where the only net available is wireless. Anyways... I bought a PCI Wireless card 'DWL-G510' .. I have net access through windows.. which is what I am currently on... wondering where I can get the .deb package to make that card work... so I just burn it to a CD in windows then just dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 03:51.19 | dondelelcaro | sudarat: please stop that. |
| 03:51.36 | sudarat | àÃÕ¹ã˹ |
| 03:51.45 | sudarat | ÍÒÂØà·èÒäà |
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| 03:52.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Where are you? |
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| 03:52.16 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: that's a d-link, you'll need ndiswrappers |
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| 03:52.36 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: I dont know what that means.. ;( |
| 03:52.51 | Gnea | !tell TwistedEmotions about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 03:53.28 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: basically you need to get the WinXP driver for it, copy it over to your linux partition, then along with ndiswrapper, it will find and use the card |
| 03:53.46 | kevix | !ndiswrapper |
| 03:53.46 | dpkg | ndiswrapper is probably a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 03:53.59 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: Uhhh.. I am 80% sure its a prism card or whatever... |
| 03:54.17 | kevix | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 03:54.17 | dpkg | hmm... ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 03:54.25 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: did you look it up at google and are sure? |
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| 03:55.03 | TwistedEmotions | Gnea: Yeah someone told me it was okay... where is the site to see if there is support for the card again? |
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| 03:58.16 | nite613 | TwistedEmotions: That's an Atheros based card. Need NDIS or to use madwifi, which is only available in SID I think |
| 03:58.42 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: google.com |
| 03:59.00 | Gnea | !tell nite613 about backports |
| 03:59.59 | nite613 | backports doesn't have madwifi |
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| 04:00.59 | TwistedEmotions | I run sid |
| 04:01.02 | kevix | !madwifi |
| 04:01.02 | dpkg | methinks madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
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| 04:01.36 | kingsley__ | What's /sys for? |
| 04:01.41 | nite613 | TwistedEmotions: Well then that is all the help you'll get ;) |
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| 04:01.56 | kevix | kingsley__: its stuff about your system |
| 04:02.10 | kevix | kingsley__: its created dynamically |
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| 04:02.27 | TwistedEmotions | nite613: thanks... got it. Just need to find the package ;) |
| 04:02.43 | secher | kevix: nope, dep of evo on libsoup2.2-7 still a problem. |
| 04:02.55 | kingsley__ | kevix: Is my assumption correct that since /sys is created dynamically, it doesn't need to be backed up? |
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| 04:03.20 | gil2 | Alguem do Rio de Janeiro? |
| 04:03.56 | dabaR | How do I figure out whether you should have a 686 vs a 386 kernel? |
| 04:04.05 | kevix | secher: sounds like a problem with evo. that is why i guess that version is not in testing. |
| 04:04.06 | dabaR | s/you/I |
| 04:04.13 | nvz | I am having bridge issues again not sure wtf it is http://pastebin.com/378421. |
| 04:04.18 | TwistedEmotions | Can anyone please download the madwifi .deb package from http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public/ for sid please... I can figure out how to access using http |
| 04:04.21 | kevix | kingsley__: correct. just like /proc |
| 04:04.50 | nite613 | Entry '..' in ??? (98053) has deleted/unused inode 82123. Clear<y>? <----- That doesn't look good |
| 04:04.51 | TwistedEmotions | hah just kiddin |
| 04:04.54 | TwistedEmotions | I am blind |
| 04:05.03 | dabaR | tru |
| 04:05.28 | kevix | dabaR: if you have a 386, a 686 kernel will not work. but if you have a 686, you can use a 386 kernel. |
| 04:05.38 | brett | hey if anyone can help me i am about to paste the module-assistant error output into #flood |
| 04:06.07 | dabaR | Should I even run a 686 kernel if I have a 686 processor? |
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| 04:06.59 | _keroppi_ | dabaR: Works great for me |
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| 04:07.51 | dabaR | Is it better to run a a 686 kernel on a 686, as opposed to running a 386 kernel on the same computer? |
| 04:07.58 | danieldg | dabaR: the -686 kernels should be faster than the -386, but I don't know by how much... |
| 04:09.04 | dabaR | I installed Debian, and it ran a 386 kernel. does this necessartily mean I have a 386 processor? |
| 04:09.30 | nite613 | No room in lost+found directory. Expand<y>? <---- Great. Never had to see that message before :( |
| 04:09.33 | danieldg | no, iirc the 386 kernel is the default |
| 04:09.38 | maebmij | dabaR, no, you might have a 686, it just chose a 386 because that's safe. |
| 04:09.39 | nite613 | his /usr partition is so roasted |
| 04:10.42 | dabaR | maebmij: so by default, debian installs 386 kernels? |
| 04:11.17 | nvz | dabaR: everything debian installs is i386 optimised when you download the _i386_ cd |
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| 04:11.47 | bob2 | well |
| 04:11.48 | nvz | well that may not be true anymore |
| 04:11.57 | bob2 | it will only run on 486 and later |
| 04:11.59 | nvz | I dont know that debian really supports i386 anymore :P |
| 04:12.42 | NeoFax | Having a problem installing debian on my laptop. It stops everytime at configuring network |
| 04:13.01 | gravity | It doesn't |
| 04:13.03 | dabaR | nvz: I was thinking that was a possibility. |
| 04:13.06 | gravity | No one stepped up to save it |
| 04:13.32 | dabaR | How do I find out whether I have a 686? is that all p4s? |
| 04:13.50 | jdhutchin1 | dabaR, anything greater than a pentium pro (so pentium II and above) is a 686 |
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| 04:14.38 | NeoFax | cat /var/log/syslog on vt2 shows /usr/lib/base-installer.d/40netcfg |
| 04:14.56 | NeoFax | That is the last write to syslog |
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| 04:15.31 | Anjaputo | Hi! I have a question, I use Sarge and I want to see wmv videos, what should I do? |
| 04:16.01 | kevix | dabaR: type 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'? |
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| 04:17.00 | kevix | Anjaputo: do you have mplayer? |
| 04:17.00 | maebmij | Anjaputo, umm, mplayer is probably best for that. It'll be harder to get installed though. |
| 04:17.17 | kevix | !mplayer |
| 04:17.18 | dpkg | mplayer is probably not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 04:17.26 | Anjaputo | i cant find mplayer when i do apt-cache search |
| 04:17.40 | kevix | Anjaputo: see above |
| 04:17.48 | Anjaputo | ok... thanx |
| 04:17.48 | NeoFax | Anyone know how to fix my problem? |
| 04:17.55 | maebmij | Does marillat carry sarge builds of mplayer? |
| 04:18.01 | dabaR | kevix: OK to copy and paste?;) |
| 04:18.16 | Anjaputo | i found this: put deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
| 04:18.22 | Anjaputo | thank you! |
| 04:18.25 | Guerin | !mplayer =~ s/licensing issues/complicated reasons/ |
| 04:18.25 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 04:18.27 | dabaR | Pentium(R) 4 |
| 04:18.57 | Guerin | !mplayer is also see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 04:18.57 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 04:19.15 | dabaR | mplayer |
| 04:19.22 | kevix | dabaR: then you can use -686 |
| 04:19.36 | dabaR | thanks. sorry about taht msg. |
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| 04:19.50 | danieldg | dabaR: does it have hyperthreading? if it does then you probably want to go to -686-smp |
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| 04:19.59 | Guerin | xine actually plays some wmv better than mplayer for me |
| 04:20.03 | Guerin | and xine is in debian |
| 04:20.13 | xceses_ | Im a new user having a problem with startup everthing worked but when its goin through the checklist it says 'GNOME Display Manger [Fail]' everything else says [ok] it started ok the first time and now it isnt... |
| 04:20.45 | dabaR | danieldg: ok, otherwise normal? |
| 04:20.54 | xceses_ | It gives me a text login but how do i get GNOME working again |
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| 04:21.13 | dabaR | s/normal/686 |
| 04:21.15 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how I can download sharutils as a .deb package.... dpkg -i mad-wifi-source was working or whatever but then dependent error on 'sharutils' |
| 04:21.30 | danieldg | dabaR: right |
| 04:21.33 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: don't mix distributions |
| 04:21.49 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I am not.. I dont think.. |
| 04:21.51 | Whistleboy | is there a bug in kde in unstable that causes web browser component setttings to not work? I cant't get firefox to be my default browser |
| 04:22.12 | litage | how do you make a double-alias in tinydns? as in: 1.domain.com -> 2.domain.com, and 2.domain.com -> 1.2.3.4 |
| 04:22.26 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Trying to install madwifi-source on my sid boxed... it complained that I was missing sharutils... |
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| 04:22.39 | maebmij | TwistedEmotions, did you try apt-get install sharutils ? |
| 04:22.57 | TwistedEmotions | maebmij: Cant... ; ( No net access on linux.. |
| 04:23.20 | TwistedEmotions | using windows to download packages then moving them using cdr's to linux install... |
| 04:23.28 | beto_ | hi foks, someone know how may i print on firefox using gnome? on kde was just put kprinter what i put on gnome?? |
| 04:23.32 | TwistedEmotions | dumbest thing ever. |
| 04:23.48 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: you're usinf sid, which is typically worse. |
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| 04:24.21 | odb_ | Greetings from finland! |
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| 04:24.33 | NSK | hi from Greece! |
| 04:24.38 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Agreed but I made that mistake a while back and dont feel like reformating... it was working fine.. I |
| 04:24.53 | maebmij | TwistedEmotions, go to http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/sharutils |
| 04:24.53 | odb_ | Does anyone here use the Synaptics touchpad driver? I am trying to set it up correctly but it doesnät seem to want to work |
| 04:25.01 | maebmij | there's a manual download link there. |
| 04:25.07 | xceses_ | Im a new user having a problem with startup everthing worked but when its goin through the checklist it says 'GNOME Display Manger [Fail]' everything else says [ok] it started ok the first time and now it isnt... |
| 04:25.28 | NeoFax | xceses_: What does gdm.log say? |
| 04:25.47 | odb_ | xceses_ sounds like your xserver may not be working correctly |
| 04:25.49 | TwistedEmotions | Im growing to like sid... even have a wireless usb card that works on it but fucking this pci has longer range and my wireless network sucks... wont work with usb card :P |
| 04:26.07 | kevix | xceses_: try installing wdm. |
| 04:26.19 | odb_ | good idea kevix |
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| 04:26.31 | odb_ | xceses_ do you know how to do that? |
| 04:26.37 | xceses_ | nopw |
| 04:26.44 | TwistedEmotions | maebmij: I was those but no .deb package... should I use source? |
| 04:26.47 | TwistedEmotions | *saw |
| 04:26.58 | xceses_ | nope*, how do i check gdm.log |
| 04:27.01 | magyar | is there a file in debian that would tell me which packages were installed on a system? |
| 04:27.02 | odb_ | ok if I am not mistaken, in debian it is apt-get -i wdm |
| 04:27.08 | NeoFax | cat /var/log/gdm.log |
| 04:27.14 | odb_ | yes, apt-get list |
| 04:27.15 | TwistedEmotions | maebmij: or dsc? |
| 04:27.16 | odb_ | I think |
| 04:27.22 | odb_ | or use synaptics |
| 04:27.24 | odb_ | or use synaptic |
| 04:27.26 | brett | what does: initilization from incomplete pointer type mean? |
| 04:27.28 | kevix | magyar: 'dpkg --get-selections' or 'dpkg -l' |
| 04:27.40 | odb_ | -l thats it |
| 04:27.44 | maebmij | TwistedEmotions, http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sharutils/sharutils_4.2.1-15_i386.deb <-- ok? |
| 04:27.46 | TwistedEmotions | hahah dsc is signature |
| 04:27.47 | odb_ | I am too used to my old redhat |
| 04:27.56 | Whistleboy | anyone know how to make firefox the default browser in KDE? |
| 04:28.09 | TwistedEmotions | maebmij: Uhhh.. I lub you ;) |
| 04:28.19 | xceses_ | Checking both methods... brb |
| 04:28.27 | NeoFax | Whistleboy: Change the text/html pointer to firefox |
| 04:28.34 | magyar | kevix , i have my old drive that is connected as a slave, i need to know which packages were installed on that system |
| 04:28.40 | odb_ | Does anyone here no how to get the synaptics driver working... There are very vegg instructions on the site |
| 04:28.48 | Whistleboy | did that, and the component choose, and it doens't work, at least from thunderbird |
| 04:28.51 | beto_ | anyone know how may i print on firefox using gnome??? |
| 04:28.58 | kevix | magyar: you can chroot to it and then check. |
| 04:29.07 | odb_ | file... print |
| 04:29.11 | Whistleboy | it just changed recently. I am wondering if an upgrade pooched it |
| 04:29.52 | odb_ | does anyone here use a laptop? |
| 04:30.06 | magyar | kevix which command to list the installed packages, i missed it |
| 04:30.14 | kevix | magyar: 'dpkg --get-selections' or 'dpkg -l' |
| 04:30.20 | odb_ | apt-get -l |
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| 04:30.25 | magyar | kevix thx |
| 04:30.30 | kevix | odb_: just ask the question. |
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| 04:33.13 | odb_ | It doesn't seem to setup correctly, what do I do to start the synaptics driver |
| 04:33.30 | odb_ | this place is dead |
| 04:33.35 | odb_ | nothing happening |
| 04:34.27 | Kobaz | if it is set up correctly x will load the synaptics driver when it starts |
| 04:34.56 | odb_ | thats what I thought, but I get no changes, adn ltpconf tells me the driver is not loaded |
| 04:34.57 | xceses_ | Ok when I type gdm to open gnome from the command prompt i get 'gdm: error while loading shared libraries: libXdmcp.so.6: cannot open shared object file: noe such file or directory' |
| 04:35.05 | Kobaz | this is what i did: compile synaptics, make install |
| 04:35.22 | Kobaz | and then you want in you x config |
| 04:35.24 | odb_ | xceses_ have you tried starting x as root? |
| 04:35.38 | xceses_ | x? |
| 04:35.49 | NeoFax | xceses_: Unless you have the ability to connect remotely turned on that lib is not needed |
| 04:36.00 | odb_ | Kobaz did you have to change3 the settings in the xfree conf file? |
| 04:36.13 | odb_ | gdm xceses_ |
| 04:36.19 | xceses_ | i have it turned on but i dont need it is it possible to turn off |
| 04:36.37 | Kobaz | Section "InputDevice"\n Driver "synaptics"\n Option "Device" "auto-dev"\n Option "SHMConfig" "on"\n EndSection |
| 04:36.38 | kevix | odb_: are the synaptic drivers loaded at start up? in /etc/modules ? |
| 04:36.41 | xceses_ | ill try to start as root |
| 04:37.16 | Kobaz | and use that as your input device |
| 04:37.16 | kevix | Kobaz: dont you need a kernel modules for the synaptic drivers? |
| 04:37.19 | xceses_ | same error as root |
| 04:37.19 | Kobaz | nope |
| 04:37.44 | NeoFax | xceses_: You can turn it off in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 04:37.45 | Kobaz | make install and edit the x config |
| 04:37.48 | odb_ | ok, I will try it again |
| 04:37.50 | Kobaz | thats all you need |
| 04:37.58 | Kobaz | and replace \n with an actual newline |
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| 04:38.22 | xceses_ | ok trying... |
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| 04:39.10 | badcoder | where can i download free icons ? |
| 04:39.17 | Kobaz | google? |
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| 04:39.36 | NeoFax | badcoder: KDE or Gnome? |
| 04:39.43 | badcoder | any |
| 04:39.52 | NeoFax | kde-look.org for KDE and gnome-look.org for GNOME |
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| 04:40.15 | badcoder | is you an app im doing i need leave friendly |
| 04:40.20 | Kobaz | oh |
| 04:40.22 | Kobaz | one more thing |
| 04:40.38 | xceses_ | ok what do i edit i got that it says [server-chooser] and then stuff about it |
| 04:40.53 | Kobaz | odb_: make sure you have ps/2 mouse in your kernel, and EVDEV interface |
| 04:41.06 | Kobaz | you dont need any modules though |
| 04:41.18 | NeoFax | xceses_: There should be something in there about XDMCP turn it to false |
| 04:41.26 | odb_ | Kobaz how do I know if evdev is working right |
| 04:41.38 | Kobaz | you'll see it being loaded on boot |
| 04:41.42 | odb_ | I know the the modules are on my computer |
| 04:41.46 | odb_ | ok, I will look |
| 04:42.17 | Kobaz | and you should see |
| 04:42.26 | dregan_ | I am sorry for inconvienance - I was callled away from computer - I am having trouble installing proftpd on Debian - a copy of the text for installation reponses and of my sources.list is at http://rafb.net/paste/results/g2Yttb73.html |
| 04:42.28 | Kobaz | ALPS Touchpad (Glidepoint) detected |
| 04:42.28 | Kobaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.28 | Kobaz | input: AlpsPS/2 ALPS TouchPad on isa0060/serio1 |
| 04:42.30 | Kobaz | something like that |
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| 04:42.49 | Kobaz | you should see something like that |
| 04:42.52 | xceses_ | same error |
| 04:43.19 | xceses_ | I switched the true to false |
| 04:43.52 | brett | i am getting a redefinition error as well as all sorts of initilization from incomplete pointer type errors when trying to install the ipw2200 drivers using module assistant.. anyone have any ideas |
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| 04:44.09 | odb_ | Kobaz yuppers, it says the synaptics one, under serio bla bla bla |
| 04:44.14 | Kobaz | good good |
| 04:44.15 | kenboo | brett, are you using correct version of gcc? |
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| 04:44.28 | NeoFax | xceses_: Every instance of XDMCP is commented out or turned to false? |
| 04:44.41 | odb_ | I will download and compile now |
| 04:44.51 | Kobaz | odb_: and then start x, make sure that InputDevice in the ServerLayout section points to the synaptic config |
| 04:44.54 | brett | as far as i know i have the newest version of gcc |
| 04:44.57 | ifup | hi can someone help me with ndiswrapper ? I am trying to apt-get install but get .. The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 04:44.57 | ifup | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.08 | xceses_ | yea |
| 04:45.13 | kenboo | brett, that might be the problem. try gcc-3.3 if yours is gcc4 |
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| 04:45.36 | brett | how would i compile it using gcc 3.3 using the module-assistant |
| 04:45.39 | secher | why is this getting an error message: apt-get -force-yes install evolution ? apt-is telling me that a config item spec must have an =<val> Help? |
| 04:45.43 | Kobaz | odb_: all the info is in the INSTALL file that comes with synaptics, i basicly just followed that and it worked like a charm |
| 04:46.00 | xceses_ | Ok when I type gdm to open gnome from the command prompt i get 'gdm: error while loading shared libraries: libXdmcp.so.6: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory' |
| 04:46.05 | odb_ | ok |
| 04:46.13 | NeoFax | xceses_: Have you done apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 04:46.17 | kenboo | brett, i have no experience but CC=gcc-3.3 may work |
| 04:46.20 | odb_ | I will give you an update as I go, thanks Kobaz |
| 04:46.24 | NeoFax | Ifnot, try that and see if it works. |
| 04:46.25 | Kobaz | oh one more thing |
| 04:46.28 | Kobaz | in the INSTALL file |
| 04:46.29 | Kobaz | it says |
| 04:46.29 | brett | hmm i'll give it a try |
| 04:46.33 | xceses_ | i have all current updates yes |
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| 04:46.41 | Kobaz | Section "Module" add: Load "synaptics" |
| 04:47.00 | Kobaz | thats also very imporant, but look through the file it'll probably show you some stuff you may have missed in setting it up |
| 04:47.14 | NeoFax | xceses_: Can you do startx --? |
| 04:47.46 | odb_ | Kobaz file downloaded... |
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| 04:48.14 | xceses_ | i get a differant error |
| 04:48.44 | NeoFax | xceses_: What is it? |
| 04:49.17 | xceses_ | xauth: error while loading shared libraries: libXau.so.6: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory' |
| 04:49.49 | Kobaz | xceses_: apt-get install libxau6 |
| 04:49.57 | NeoFax | xceses_: Reinstall X |
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| 04:50.18 | xceses_ | it scrolled 5 of that message then one that started xinit |
| 04:50.25 | Kobaz | he doesnt need to reinstall x |
| 04:50.26 | xceses_ | k trying... |
| 04:50.30 | Kobaz | he just needs the libraries hes missing |
| 04:50.45 | brett | nope still cant install the module |
| 04:51.21 | Kobaz | xceses_: and for that other error: apt-get install libxdmcp6 |
| 04:51.46 | Daffy-PKF | hmmm, did someone here already use the neverwinter nights toolset under linux? i tried to use it with wine, but no success (it runs, but no 3d things shows up) |
| 04:52.12 | xceses_ | they both said allready newst version not upgraded |
| 04:52.26 | Kobaz | i think i compiled my ipw2200 with gcc 3.3 |
| 04:53.05 | odb_ | Kobaz I can't compile which files do I need to satify this dependency, it asks for xfree stuff, but I canät find the source files for xfree in apt's repos |
| 04:53.20 | Kobaz | are you trying to compile synaptics? |
| 04:53.21 | NeoFax | Kobaz: Why install xdmcp? If you are not running thin clients, that is a whole that can be exploited |
| 04:53.25 | odb_ | yes |
| 04:53.37 | brett | did you use the module assistant or did you use the source package from sf.net.. i have tried the sf.net package as well but i get errors, how would i do a make install but use gcc-3.3 |
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| 04:53.57 | Kobaz | NeoFax: because it's complaining about missing libraries, the simplest thing to get stuff working is usually just grab the libraries... you can disable it later |
| 04:54.10 | PinkBunny | hello guys, should I drop to single user mode when doing upgrade fetching security stuff for stable, I originaly installed from cd) |
| 04:54.20 | Kobaz | PinkBunny: dont need to |
| 04:54.23 | brett | even i just did a gcc --version and i am running 3.3.5 |
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| 04:55.00 | Kobaz | odb_: whats the error |
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| 04:55.26 | odb_ | pages of erros... let me see here if I can find something importan |
| 04:55.28 | Kobaz | heh |
| 04:55.36 | Kobaz | thats bad |
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| 04:55.49 | brett | hah pages of errors sounds firmiliar lol |
| 04:56.06 | g8se | Anyone familiar with sympa here? |
| 04:56.07 | odb_ | something about ISC C forbiding stuff |
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| 04:56.36 | Kobaz | what gcc are you using? |
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| 04:56.46 | xceses_ | xine |
| 04:56.52 | xceses_ | wrong window |
| 04:57.00 | odb_ | 3.3.5 |
| 04:57.03 | g8se | Trying to setup a robot for sympa, but the virtual web interface can't see the lists I create in it |
| 04:57.05 | Kobaz | weird |
| 04:57.24 | odb_ | am I missing some headers? |
| 04:57.32 | Kobaz | possibly |
| 04:58.25 | brett | hey, in the readme file for these ipw2200 drivers it says i must have the kernel-headers installed, i looked through apt and there are no kernel-headers for 2.6.13 , however the dir where i compiled the kernelfrom is still there... does that count |
| 04:58.31 | Kobaz | odb_: apt-get install x-dev |
| 04:58.37 | odb_ | ok |
| 04:58.43 | PinkBunny | Kobaz: and what if I decided to dist-upgrade to sid, I guess I would need single user mode then? :) |
| 04:58.59 | nite613 | PinkBunny: probbaly not, no |
| 04:59.06 | Kobaz | PinkBunny: unless you run some massive multi user system, you can fairly safely do everything from runlevel 2 or 3 |
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| 04:59.22 | odb_ | ohh, it found it! |
| 04:59.33 | PinkBunny | oki |
| 04:59.44 | odb_ | there we go |
| 04:59.52 | odb_ | nope |
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| 05:00.09 | odb_ | better though, only 2 pages of erros rather than 15 |
| 05:00.14 | Kobaz | well thats something |
| 05:00.18 | odb_ | :] |
| 05:00.19 | Kobaz | what are the errors now |
| 05:00.29 | PinkBunny | speaking of it, if I distupgrade to sid, can I expect it to actually work after that, or its pure gambling? |
| 05:00.41 | Kobaz | PinkBunny: you can expect it to work, unless something breaks |
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| 05:01.05 | valdyn | PinkBunny: gambling |
| 05:01.07 | Kobaz | 99% of the time, the worst that will happen is you'll get weird dependency problems |
| 05:01.09 | nite613 | PinkBunny: It will probably do what you need. The trick is not to update/upgrade all the time just for fun. Keep track of the packages that are important to you and upgrade when it's important to do so |
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| 05:01.36 | kevix | Pik |
| 05:01.43 | PinkBunny | frankly I just wanted Xorg and new KDE, firefox and such stuff |
| 05:01.45 | Kobaz | PinkBunny: but yeah upgrade like one package at a time to be safe, unless you want to feel some adventure in possibly having to fix a broken debian |
| 05:01.46 | odb_ | Kobaz it is trying to compile syndeamon and says, xlib.h is not there |
| 05:01.50 | kevix | PinkBunny: are you using sarge,stable,testing? |
| 05:01.55 | PinkBunny | stable |
| 05:01.56 | secher | I've read the man page, and tried several iterations, yet it's still coming up wrong. How do I get apt-get to force in install regardless of dependency breaks? Here's what I get from the man page apt-get -force-yes install <packagename> |
| 05:02.07 | Kobaz | get umm |
| 05:02.13 | Kobaz | odb_: apt-get install xlibs |
| 05:02.17 | nite613 | PinkBunny: why are you thinking of upgrading? |
| 05:02.17 | secher | however that does not work |
| 05:02.26 | kevix | PinkBunny: why did you choose stable and why do you want to use unstable ? |
| 05:02.45 | odb_ | already installed |
| 05:02.46 | Kobaz | unstable is actually quite stable for most things |
| 05:02.47 | Guerin | secher: apt can't and won't, unless you use a -o option, as detailed in man apt.conf |
| 05:02.55 | Kobaz | odb_: apt-get install xlibs-dev |
| 05:03.06 | Guerin | secher: it's an incredibly bad idea to break dependencies for any reason |
| 05:03.09 | Guerin | Kobaz: bullshit. |
| 05:03.14 | kevix | secher: dpkg --force-help |
| 05:03.16 | PinkBunny | nite613: I dont, stable does the job for me now.....but what in 12 months, lets say I want to try kde4 when it comes out |
| 05:03.19 | Kobaz | Guerin: ? |
| 05:03.23 | odb_ | oookay 15 meg later I will have it |
| 05:03.37 | secher | guerin: thanks. |
| 05:03.39 | Guerin | Kobaz: don't tell people unstable is stable unless you're prepared to personally fix their whit wehen it breaks, which it eventually will |
| 05:03.48 | Kobaz | heh |
| 05:03.53 | secher | Guerin: it's an experiment, mainly. |
| 05:03.55 | nite613 | PinkBunny: I see. Well until you're very comfortable in debian I wouldn't recommend sid. If you're still running stable in 12 months and like it, you're probably ready to move up to testing. |
| 05:04.00 | Kobaz | i've used unstable for the past umm, like 6 years |
| 05:04.07 | Guerin | Kobaz: bully for you. |
| 05:04.09 | kevix | PinkBunny: stable is meant to work 24/7. unstable is not good at the moment. |
| 05:04.14 | Kobaz | i've had to fix things manually maybe like a handful of times |
| 05:04.25 | Guerin | Kobaz: then you clearly don't do much with your machine. |
| 05:04.35 | Kobaz | i dont upgrade every day, no |
| 05:04.38 | PinkBunny | nite613: I am not linux begginer, I've used slackware for years, I am just asking around about possibilites of debian system |
| 05:04.49 | Kobaz | but when i do, things work fine 99% of the time |
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| 05:04.55 | brett | what does initilization from incompatible pointer type actually mean |
| 05:05.01 | Guerin | nite613: without security support. Very wise. |
| 05:05.18 | odb_ | ok Kobaz it worked |
| 05:05.23 | Kobaz | yay |
| 05:05.24 | Guerin | brett: it means 'this shit is fucked up' |
| 05:05.32 | brett | hah yeah i gathered that |
| 05:05.33 | Kobaz | make install |
| 05:05.35 | nite613 | Guerin: say what? |
| 05:05.44 | Kobaz | odb_: make install and then follow the directions in INSTALL |
| 05:05.45 | kevix | PinkBunny: right now sid is going thru many tricky transitions, so one bad apt-get and things get hairry! |
| 05:05.49 | odb_ | THANKS! |
| 05:05.50 | Guerin | nite613: testing gets no official security support. |
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| 05:06.01 | Guerin | nite613: please don't tell me you were unawae of this. |
| 05:06.03 | brett | but i cant get anywhere in fixing this problem if i dont know what the errors mean |
| 05:06.10 | odb_ | now, show I check if XFREE has it installed in the conf |
| 05:06.14 | Guerin | brett: what is throwing those errors? |
| 05:06.15 | nite613 | Guerin: If I'm going to be actively maintaining the server then I can take care of responding to vulns faster than they get into stable anyways |
| 05:06.19 | cheal | Guerin: what do you mean by not official :? |
| 05:06.31 | Guerin | nite613: but you just said that you installed, configured and forgot about it. |
| 05:06.33 | Kobaz | odb_: np |
| 05:06.34 | brett | i am tryin to install the ipw2200 drivers |
| 05:06.42 | PinkBunny | I of course had no desire to do upgrade every day and stay synched with sid, just to get xorg and new kde and possibly few other applications |
| 05:06.46 | Kobaz | brett: kernel 2.6? |
| 05:06.52 | brett | yep |
| 05:06.55 | nite613 | Guerin: * nite613 always runs testing UNLESS it's on a machine he is supposed to install, configure, and forget |
| 05:06.56 | Kobaz | okay thats good |
| 05:06.56 | brett | 2.6.13 |
| 05:06.58 | Guerin | cheal: i mean not @security.debian.org - and I'm aware that, in theory at least, things have changed recently |
| 05:07.13 | Guerin | nite613: doh |
| 05:07.14 | nite613 | Guerin: UNLESS. :) If I'm supposed to forget about it I install stable |
| 05:07.16 | secher | PinkBunny: then do what you feel best. if you;re comfortable with tinkering with a broken package(s), or waiting a week or two for a fix to be put in, then imho, by all means do unstable. If you're looking for a machine that'll have uptime measured in years rather than months, and you want "set it and forget it" kind of functionality, then stable is your boy. |
| 05:07.22 | Kobaz | brett: ipw version? |
| 05:07.24 | kevix | PinkBunny: you may want to get a spare partition or new HD and install sid. |
| 05:07.39 | Guerin | nite613: stupid command.com is eating lines, they get blended together some |
| 05:07.41 | cheal | Guerin: but is there more than the mirror it comes from (putting aside the current status of security.debian.org)? |
| 05:07.43 | Guerin | nite613: sorry. |
| 05:07.51 | Guerin | cheal: eh? |
| 05:07.55 | PinkBunny | no way, I need my computer up and operational all the time, thats why I asked, I knew that going full sid is very risky, just didnt know how risky ;) |
| 05:07.59 | nite613 | Guerin: On stable I feel very confident having it auto upgrade |
| 05:08.00 | odb_ | Kobaz, it looks like it is setup |
| 05:08.09 | odb_ | I will restart the system |
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| 05:08.13 | Guerin | nite613: that's still too risky for me. |
| 05:08.17 | Kobaz | odb_: k, if the xconfig is all good, just start x, dont need to reboot |
| 05:08.32 | odb_ | oh ok |
| 05:08.33 | PinkBunny | when I was using slackware I never upgraded anything but security stuff, and just reinstalled the whole thing once new release was out (so like once a year) |
| 05:08.38 | kevix | PinkBunny: using stable you can get used to all the Debian goodness. 6mo. from now I'd try sid. |
| 05:08.38 | odb_ | ctrl, backspace it is |
| 05:08.47 | brett | Kobaz: version of what my card in the laptop or of the drivers, the drivers i have tried 1.0.6 and the ipw2200-source package from contrib |
| 05:08.57 | nite613 | Guerin: Ahhh, then I guess you don't have clients who want you to install a server but neither want to learn how to operate it or pay you to do it. |
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| 05:09.08 | nite613 | neither or |
| 05:09.09 | Guerin | nite613: heh. |
| 05:09.20 | Kobaz | brett: i havent used 1.0.6, but 1.0.3 worked for me, with 2.6.11.9 and gcc 3.3.6 |
| 05:09.23 | Guerin | nite613: you're right about that. |
| 05:09.25 | odb_ | nopers, not working |
| 05:09.27 | brett | hmm |
| 05:09.30 | nite613 | you get what you pay for, and cron works for cheap! |
| 05:09.39 | brett | alright thats worth a try |
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| 05:10.37 | PinkBunny | I am just scared that debian wont get new stable for next 3 years and I really would like to think about future (for my desktop, my server will be quite fine on stable) :) |
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| 05:10.54 | Guerin | PinkBunny: so use testing on your desktop. |
| 05:10.55 | cheal | Guerin: you say that testing has no official security support because it doesn't come from security.debian.org, but how does it make it less official (and worst, considering the current issues of security.d.o)? |
| 05:10.55 | nite613 | I actually have a script that helps me administer boxes remotely that we call BUTLER. The Blatantly Underpaid Task List Execution Robot |
| 05:11.03 | eeyore- | PinkBunny: if you're serious about debian, use experimental |
| 05:11.20 | Guerin | cheal: you question answers itself. |
| 05:11.34 | Guerin | nite613: heh |
| 05:11.34 | Kobaz | brett: i've tried compiling ipw on 2.6.12 once, and i got tons of errors |
| 05:11.43 | PinkBunny | my desktop needs to be operational 100% of time, I cant tinker with it when I need it for work, uni etc |
| 05:11.43 | Kobaz | brett: i had to go back down a kernel to use wireless |
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| 05:11.46 | Guerin | nite613: "I will replace you with a very small shell script" |
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| 05:12.04 | nite613 | PinkBunny: etch (current testing) is already functional 100% of the time unless you break it. :P |
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| 05:12.20 | cheal | Guerin: I must be tired |
| 05:12.54 | brett | Kobaz : That is also something to think about didn't consider trying that |
| 05:13.01 | cheal | anyway, if it's not official, testing security isn't just theorical |
| 05:13.08 | Kobaz | brett: weird things happen with stuff like that, with things depending on the kernel |
| 05:13.13 | PinkBunny | nite613: dunno if this question is like taboo here, but isnt ubuntu(kubuntu) sid snapshot made stable, how else its different ? |
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| 05:13.27 | Kobaz | brett: kernel things change and break 3rd party modules all the time |
| 05:13.44 | PinkBunny | except the name and different repositories for its core packegaes |
| 05:14.07 | nite613 | PinkBunny: That's my understanding of it. Basically they cull packages from sid and build their system around it; I hear great things about it but have never tried it |
| 05:14.29 | nite613 | PinkBunny: and no one minds if you say "ubuntu", just don't try to get support for it here; it never ends well |
| 05:14.35 | brett | I think i am going to have to give that a try |
| 05:14.36 | PinkBunny | sure |
| 05:14.47 | brett | but that is for another day i need to go to sleep |
| 05:15.02 | brett | Kobaz : Thank you for the help, muchly appreciated |
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| 05:15.36 | PinkBunny | just thinking of it as logical choice instead of running sid on my main machine, I just dunno how much its suseified compared to default debian sid |
| 05:15.51 | PinkBunny | like I was told it has all those automounters for everything and stuff? |
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| 05:16.35 | PinkBunny | guess I will have to give it a try and see whats really inside :) |
| 05:16.42 | nite613 | that you will |
| 05:17.20 | nite613 | woah uhhh... what package handles maintenance of files under /var/backups? |
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| 05:17.36 | PinkBunny | as previous slackware user I am pretty impressed with ease of using debian, like apt-get install and its there, cwith all scripts on right places etc. |
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| 05:18.22 | nite613 | PinkBunny: I went slackware->redhat->debian over the course of about 8 years I guess. It would take something really revolutionary to steer me away from debian |
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| 05:18.30 | difeta | does anybody know of a program that will view all the pages of a website and generate a diagram or sitemap of the site? |
| 05:18.34 | nite613 | though I do prefer gentoo for certain things |
| 05:19.22 | Kobaz | nite613: i'm guessing base-files since it owns that directory, but i'm not certain |
| 05:20.01 | nite613 | Kobaz: base-files isn't really an "active" package |
| 05:20.17 | Kobaz | yeah hmm |
| 05:20.24 | nite613 | like, it's not a deamon. I found a post saying that it's just used by any package that wants to save important files |
| 05:20.40 | Kobaz | yeah sounds about right |
| 05:20.46 | PinkBunny | nite613: what are those thing you think gentoo would be good for? |
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| 05:20.49 | nite613 | seems things like passwd, adduser, and maybe package install scripts use it |
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| 05:21.28 | PinkBunny | I remember even back when I used freebsd I used to fetch premade packages when I could, to avoid compiling :) |
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| 05:22.04 | nite613 | PinkBunny: I like gentoo when I'm doing something really specialized and weird. Use it for embedded targetting, for making linux appliances, etc. Generally when you have really well defined hardware and requirements you'll need to combine very specific versions of various libraries, patch lots of source, etc. Gentoo is nice for it's source-level tools |
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| 05:22.13 | seb- | mutt-> 'set from = ..etc.' worked in fedora but in debian the From: field is blank!!! WHY?? |
| 05:22.24 | PinkBunny | oh yes, I can understand that |
| 05:22.28 | nite613 | PinkBunny: When I ran redhat I'd use RPMs as the last resort |
| 05:22.42 | nite613 | always tried pristine sources first |
| 05:22.51 | din | gn |
| 05:22.57 | Kobaz | redhat was quite annoying with its dependency system |
| 05:23.01 | nite613 | probably partly why my redhat boxes always broke, but on the other hand, they do that even when using pure RPMS, so who knows |
| 05:23.13 | PinkBunny | I am just plain IT student, I dont do any advanced stuff like that, for now :) |
| 05:23.21 | ke6isf | start an mua war |
| 05:23.27 | ke6isf | !start an mua war |
| 05:23.27 | dpkg | mutt sucks |
| 05:23.30 | PinkBunny | I just need working desktop with compilers and stuff :) |
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| 05:23.35 | ke6isf | heh, forgot the ! |
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| 05:23.56 | peterN | testing/unstable: anyone a clue why all of the sudden no '@' can be entered anymore in KDE as before? |
| 05:23.56 | peterN | Could xbase-clients influence this? |
| 05:24.15 | nkuttler | seb-: man muttrc |
| 05:24.21 | _SerhaT_ | hmm I have xdm running with fluxbox on my laptop.. it has xorg..and when I do a /etc/init.d/xdm stop it closes fluxbox and x .. and I expect the console.. but nothing happens.. same with if I do a shutdown -h now.. so I thought it might me that it is doing the stuff.. but just not showing it.. any idea's? the gfx is a sis onboard (it's a laptop nic/gfx etc are all from sis) and xorg couldn't detect it on install so I had to choose sis myself |
| 05:24.40 | nite613 | PinkBunny: You won't regret trying Debian, it blows slackware away. If you use linux on your desktop I really suggest testing for you; you'll get more fun new stuff instead of never getting a single new package or new versoin for fun :P |
| 05:24.43 | _SerhaT_ | running etch btw.. |
| 05:24.50 | jm_ | _SerhaT_: it probably means the original video mode is not restored properly |
| 05:25.03 | nite613 | Sometimes running aptitude is like christmas |
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| 05:25.17 | PinkBunny | :) |
| 05:25.23 | _SerhaT_ | jm_: was my guess also.. but any way to restore it/fix it? |
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| 05:25.43 | seb- | nkuttler: it worked in fedora!? why need to change .muttrc for debian? |
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| 05:25.49 | jm_ | _SerhaT_: well maybe check if textmode/savetextmode will help |
| 05:26.02 | jm_ | _SerhaT_: or look into FB tools if you're using that |
| 05:26.04 | nite613 | _SerhaT_: there's a program called... post_video or something that you need to add to the init script so that it runs when the X display goes away... |
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| 05:26.12 | nkuttler | seb-: why don't you just read the entry for from? |
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| 05:26.44 | _SerhaT_ | nite613: ahh okay.. I'll see if I have that.. if not will remimber it to install it later.. don't have inet on it yet.. |
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| 05:27.01 | nite613 | _SerhaT_: I can't find the name... I know it's on my system somewhere :P |
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| 05:27.20 | amahbod | i'm looking for a good mp3 tagging application for debian (that automatically tags files). any ideas? |
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| 05:27.41 | ke6isf | amahbod: How do you mean "automatically tags files"? |
| 05:27.47 | nkuttler | amahbod: easytag |
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| 05:28.03 | nite613 | _SerhaT_: it's called video_post. It seems I downloaded the .deb from somewhere other than the etch tree though.... |
| 05:28.04 | seb- | nkutt: ok, thanks |
| 05:28.20 | nite613 | video-post_0.1-1_i386.deb |
| 05:28.25 | indol | whoopie! there are so many packages in debian! |
| 05:28.28 | amahbod | ke6isf, i mean it grabs info from musicbrainz or a similar service |
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| 05:29.13 | indol | i wanted to ask: if debian is fully free, why i find some non-free packages in debian? |
| 05:29.14 | ke6isf | amahbod: Yes, but on whatcriteria does it base its decision on what to tag it with? |
| 05:29.28 | nite613 | indol: Which ones? |
| 05:29.33 | ke6isf | nite613: Ouch. |
| 05:29.39 | _SerhaT_ | nite613: ahh.. I also found something similar to svgatextmode .. so the console will support higher resolutions and stuff.. maybe that will help also? |
| 05:29.42 | amahbod | ke6isf, musicbrainz uses file hashes |
| 05:29.49 | nkuttler | n00bie: yeah, keep changing your nick and you will get a response |
| 05:29.51 | nite613 | inc|freaky: up until sarge there was the non-free tree which you could elect to use |
| 05:29.54 | amahbod | ke6isf, any ideas on what i should use |
| 05:30.11 | indol | was just experimenting:) |
| 05:30.22 | nite613 | _SerhaT_: maybe |
| 05:30.25 | indol | like phylip in science section.... |
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| 05:30.30 | nkuttler | indol: not the right channel. man sources.list, you have non-free in there |
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| 05:30.57 | ke6isf | amahbod: Like nkuttler suggests, easytag. Don't know if it sucks it down on file hashes, though, since mp3s can vary - that doesn't strike me as a clever way to get your id3 tags placed. |
| 05:31.00 | _SerhaT_ | btw when I install sarge.. and dist-uprgaded to etch.. I could only find xorg.. and I am pretty sure I am running xfree on another etch box |
| 05:31.14 | nite613 | easytag rules |
| 05:31.25 | nite613 | too bad I'm still not patient enough to go through all my sutff |
| 05:31.30 | indol | im going thru packages in debian sarge...i find phylip there...and beside it its written non-free...... |
| 05:31.36 | nkuttler | nite613: well, it could be curses based, but it's not bad |
| 05:31.40 | rob_ | Hey, I'm wondering if any one has kino working in sarge? |
| 05:32.01 | ke6isf | indol: Well, it's in the non-free repos for a reason I guess. |
| 05:32.04 | nite613 | nkuttler: Fair enough. Everything is better in curses, I agree :) |
| 05:32.13 | _SerhaT_ | nvm.. found it.. |
| 05:32.47 | indol | http://packages.debian.org/stable/science/...............the list here - does it mean these packages are on debian dvd or in repos??? im confused! |
| 05:33.05 | indol | plz clarify |
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| 05:33.20 | nkuttler | indol: that's not a line in sources.list, and please start with reading the man page |
| 05:33.43 | jm_ | indol: obviously |
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| 05:34.38 | indol | nkuttler: hey! im not talking abt man pages or sources dude.....i mean to ask: is phylip there in debian dvd or not? that list of packages what does it mean?? |
| 05:34.44 | indol | im a newbie so plz |
| 05:35.08 | indol | where can i find a full list of all stuff thats on debian dvd?? |
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| 05:35.14 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
| 05:35.22 | schorpp | aptitude |
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| 05:35.34 | simonrvn | how about you actually search for it using the provided search boxes? |
| 05:35.34 | nkuttler | indol: on the dvd? and you won't find non-free stuff on official images |
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| 05:35.54 | ke6isf | indol: Riddle me something, why do you worry about the DVD when you can apt-get from the net archives? |
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| 05:36.15 | nkuttler | indol: /msg dpkg which cd to know what is on which of the install cds |
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| 05:36.42 | H2OyJaBoN | i have a problem with apt and show this msg |
| 05:36.42 | indol | coz i have slow net connection.....so its imp for me to know whats on dvd and what i have to apt-get...... |
| 05:36.43 | nite613 | you can get debian on a DVD? That's messed up. AFAIK debian lives on an HTTP server somewhere, not on a DVD :P |
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| 05:36.58 | indol | debian sarge has no dvd!!:( |
| 05:37.13 | simonrvn | um, and how do you get security updates then? |
| 05:37.15 | nite613 | slow net connection :P Sometimes I forget about those |
| 05:37.16 | ke6isf | indol: Define slow? Dialup? ISDN? Crappy broadband? |
| 05:37.24 | schorpp | indol: use aptitude |
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| 05:37.39 | indol | crappy broadband...26kbs! |
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| 05:37.48 | H2OyJaBoN | E: This execution of the installation requires to eliminate the essential package temporarily e2fsprogs due to a curl of Conflictos/Pre-Dependencias. This is generally bad, but if really it wants to do it, it activates the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs----------- any idea? |
| 05:37.58 | nite613 | even on 56k it's not too bad to download package updates and stuff. Downloading KDE might blow though |
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| 05:38.02 | indol | i havent installed debian yet....i just wanna some things abt it first.... |
| 05:38.03 | nkuttler | H2OyJaBoN: dist-upgrade to sarge |
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| 05:38.26 | H2OyJaBoN | nksen, for what is that problem? |
| 05:38.34 | H2OyJaBoN | i use saarge |
| 05:38.44 | nkuttler | H2OyJaBoN: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:38.52 | ke6isf | indol: 26 kbs?! What in tarnations... where are you?! |
| 05:39.00 | schorpp | indol: there package lists on every media |
| 05:39.06 | zvn | indol: https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ |
| 05:39.06 | H2OyJaBoN | nkuttler, 3.1 |
| 05:39.07 | odb_ | Kobaz are you still there! |
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| 05:39.12 | indol | so plz aint there a full list of whats there on debian sarge dvd? |
| 05:39.18 | indol | india |
| 05:39.27 | ke6isf | indol: Ah, OK. |
| 05:39.45 | indol | whats this for? http://packages.debian.org/stable/ what does this list signify?? |
| 05:39.48 | nkuttler | H2OyJaBoN: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 05:40.08 | rob_ | That's where all the packages on the dvds are listed |
| 05:40.09 | ke6isf | indol: That would be the packages avaialble for Sarge, the stable version of Debian. |
| 05:40.12 | nite613 | indol: that's the entire tree. Dujnno where you find a DVD manifest |
| 05:40.12 | H2OyJaBoN | nkuttler, but... is the only soluiton?? fotr whats that problem? |
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| 05:40.36 | nkuttler | H2OyJaBoN: bugs.debian.org/e2fsprogs |
| 05:40.38 | odb_ | IF ANYONE sees Kobaz give him a big ol ehug, I got it working with his help! |
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| 05:40.50 | indol | oh i see.......i got so happy thinking all that stuff is actually on debian sarge dvd:( |
| 05:40.53 | ke6isf | indol: Note that if it's 'non-free', it's not on the image. |
| 05:41.15 | ravi_ | hi! I am installing ruby on rails following this: http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/RailsOniDebianStable |
| 05:41.18 | ke6isf | indol: For those packages, you'll have to download them. Start the apt-get before you go to bed, and you'll be ready by sunrise. =^_^= |
| 05:41.35 | ravi_ | I am getting errors while doing gem install fcgi |
| 05:41.40 | nite613 | ravi_: stable or testing? In testing you can just apt-get install rails |
| 05:41.45 | nite613 | I think it's called rails |
| 05:41.48 | ravi_ | sarge |
| 05:41.50 | indol | ke6isf: so there aint any list of pacakages that are actually on debian sarge dvd?? |
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| 05:42.09 | Ecnassianer | Hey dpkg, Who is Ecnassianer? |
| 05:42.16 | ke6isf | Ecnassianer: dpkg is a bot. |
| 05:42.29 | Ecnassianer | I know :-) |
| 05:42.37 | Ecnassianer | I'm hoping that I taught him a trick. |
| 05:42.41 | H2OyJaBoN | nkuttler, ok! so... i MUST aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade ?? |
| 05:42.43 | Ecnassianer | dpkg: Who is Ecnassianer? |
| 05:42.44 | dpkg | Ecnassianer: what are you talking about? |
| 05:42.51 | Ecnassianer | Me. |
| 05:42.51 | nite613 | ravi_: Ahhh, I see apparently they packages were in sarge as well. What's you Q? |
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| 05:43.01 | ke6isf | indol: Apparently not as such; I figure you can read the list, and mentally eliminate anything 'non-free'. |
| 05:43.04 | Ecnassianer | dpkg: Me. |
| 05:43.05 | dpkg | you are, like, awesome. |
| 05:43.10 | Ecnassianer | :-) |
| 05:43.12 | jm_ | !tell indol -about cd contents |
| 05:43.18 | Ecnassianer | dpkg thinks I'm awesome :-) |
| 05:43.19 | nkuttler | H2OyJaBoN: probably, i never had the problem |
| 05:43.22 | ke6isf | !me |
| 05:43.24 | gaspar | !xinerama |
| 05:43.24 | dpkg | from memory, xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 has it!, or http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html |
| 05:43.47 | H2OyJaBoN | nkuttler, ok! ..... |
| 05:43.54 | rob_ | Anyone out there have kino running??? |
| 05:43.55 | ke6isf | indol: Or, you can read what dpkg just privmsg'd you. |
| 05:43.56 | ravi_ | nite613: I am getting this: ERROR: While executing gem ... (RuntimeError) |
| 05:43.56 | ravi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.58 | nkuttler | Ecnassianer: please go to #debian-bots or whatever to play with the bots |
| 05:43.59 | ke6isf | !anyone |
| 05:43.59 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:44.09 | Ecnassianer | Oh, I didn't know such a place existed |
| 05:44.12 | odb_ | not me |
| 05:44.18 | Ecnassianer | I'm done anyway :-) |
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| 05:44.35 | ke6isf | Feh, garbage needs emptying. |
| 05:44.36 | nite613 | ravi_: Sorry, beats me. I just started messing with that stuff last week on testing and it didn't give me any surprises |
| 05:44.44 | ravi_ | nite613: ruby extconf.rb install fcgi\nchecking for fcgiapp.h... no |
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| 05:44.44 | ravi_ | checking for fastcgi/fcgiapp.h... no |
| 05:44.49 | rob_ | I want to know if kino works under sarge. |
| 05:44.53 | rob_ | for anyone |
| 05:45.00 | rob_ | because it doesn't work for me |
| 05:45.12 | gvrocha | I've just reinstalled apache 2 and i try http://localhost and nothing happens. Any ideas of what have gone wrong??? |
| 05:45.28 | gvrocha | any good troubleshooting guide for apache2 anywhere? |
| 05:45.31 | H2OyJaBoN | nkuttler, ok thankS! |
| 05:45.36 | ravi_ | gvrocha, has the apache been started? |
| 05:45.54 | jm_ | what a shame, someone has ruined a nice anyone factoid |
| 05:46.04 | gvrocha | yep. I've tried stopping it and restarting before reinstalling |
| 05:46.26 | Xenguy | !ne1 |
| 05:46.26 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 05:46.34 | Xenguy | heh |
| 05:46.36 | jm_ | @anyone |
| 05:46.38 | ravenbird | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:46.41 | jm_ | gah |
| 05:46.52 | gvrocha | ravi_ yep. I've tried stopping it and restarting before reinstalling. It was having this problem before... |
| 05:47.08 | indol | jm_: thanks for the list:) |
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| 05:47.15 | ravi_ | gvrocha, tried starting it after reinstallation? |
| 05:47.59 | rob_ | sorry I obviously need to brush up on my irc manners |
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| 05:48.46 | gvrocha | ravi_: I am not sure it has been started. I've tried ps -e and there are 4 different processes named apache2 running |
| 05:49.05 | gvrocha | ravi_: should there be some httpd process running too??? There is none... |
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| 05:49.27 | cheal | jm_: I think it's don's fault :) |
| 05:49.27 | xixor | hey everyone.. quick question |
| 05:49.33 | xixor | ops, wrong chan |
| 05:50.16 | gvrocha | how do i restart apache2? |
| 05:50.25 | jm_ | cheal: probably part of the "nice attitude" crap |
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| 05:51.02 | bucky | gvrocha, apache2ctl restart |
| 05:51.02 | bob2 | gvrocha: sudo invoke-rc.d apache restart |
| 05:51.13 | nite613 | Is there a performance advantage to putting swap at the very beginning or very end of the drive? |
| 05:51.24 | nite613 | the swap partition I mean |
| 05:51.29 | jm_ | nite613: there might be, but you won't notice it |
| 05:51.48 | indol | do u all guys use kde 3.3 or kde 3.4.2??? |
| 05:51.49 | nite613 | especially since I just quadrupled my ram today when I bought the replacement drive for the one that blew up... |
| 05:51.56 | nite613 | okay, hda5 it is then |
| 05:52.00 | bob2 | indol: it seems most people just don't use kde at all |
| 05:52.06 | bob2 | nite613: how much ram do you have? |
| 05:52.16 | nite613 | 512M |
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| 05:52.23 | gvrocha | how can I make sure apache2 is running fine? I've restarted it, but when I http://localhost I get timed out... |
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| 05:52.31 | nite613 | It's not much, but I've been running this 880MHZ machine with 128M forever now |
| 05:52.39 | sep | gvrocha, netstat -plont , anything listening on :80 ? |
| 05:52.39 | bob2 | gvrocha: tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 05:52.44 | bob2 | nite613: ah |
| 05:52.46 | bucky | gvrocha, ps aux |grep apache |
| 05:52.54 | indol | do u all ugrade any stuff to sid....and keep them as they are??? |
| 05:52.56 | gvrocha | I checked ps -e and there are 4 instances of apache2 running |
| 05:53.13 | indol | do u all ugrade any stuff to sid....or keep them as they are??? like gnome etc? |
| 05:53.24 | nkuttler | indol: what do you mean? |
| 05:53.32 | nite613 | indol: mixing trees is a bad idea generally |
| 05:53.34 | Segers_J | indol: stay away from sid/stable mix |
| 05:53.39 | nkuttler | indol: do not upgrade to sid |
| 05:53.50 | indol | nkuttler: do u upgrade gnome to say a higher version? |
| 05:54.00 | bucky | gvrocha, which version of debian are you using? |
| 05:54.05 | nkuttler | indol: i don't even run x |
| 05:54.28 | indol | nkuttler: then how do u surf the net! without pictures! |
| 05:54.34 | Segers_J | indol: if you absolutely must have something from sid, find or make a backport, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 05:54.47 | nkuttler | indol: just use stable |
| 05:54.55 | cheal | jm_: hehe |
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| 05:55.06 | gvrocha | sep: I'm not sure... I've netstated and there is a tcp6 with local address :::80 with LISTEN state. Is this what I am looking for? |
| 05:55.36 | cheal | jm_: looks like that. I think the revision should have applied to "anyone use", not anyone. it's not enough general now |
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| 05:56.40 | gvrocha | bucky: how can I check that? I completely forgot...:( |
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| 05:57.08 | burtonator | can anyone recommend a good/cheap/dedicated managed host for debian? |
| 05:57.26 | bucky | gvrocha, you don't know what version of debian you're running? |
| 05:57.35 | furbsd | sup newbies |
| 05:57.55 | nkuttler | gvrocha: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:58.02 | bucky | rob_, usually it's a low level driver issue.. did you google? |
| 05:58.21 | gvrocha | bucky: 3.1 |
| 05:58.25 | furbsd | burtonator: ? |
| 05:58.27 | gvrocha | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 05:59.12 | burtonator | furbsb: I'm using serverbeach for my hosting but they provide only debian 3.0 with a 2.4 kernel (ug) |
| 05:59.23 | sep | gvrocha, are you running apache from inet ? |
| 05:59.54 | gvrocha | sep: you mean, trying to access a remote site? |
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| 06:00.27 | gvrocha | sep: ultimately that's what I want, but I am trying local first... |
| 06:00.38 | bucky | gvrocha, http://localhost should work unless you messed with /etc/hosts |
| 06:00.50 | bucky | try http://127.0.0.1 |
| 06:00.51 | gvrocha | bucky: how would I know... |
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| 06:01.14 | jm_ | burtonator: upgrade it? |
| 06:01.16 | sep | gvrocha, gvrocha on the rigth hand side of your netstat -plont output there should be a pid colums showing you the name of the aplication bound to port 80 |
| 06:01.43 | rwimn | gvrocha,how to talk with others in this way "sep: you mean, trying to access a remote site?"is there a direct way? |
| 06:01.56 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.22 | gvrocha | sep: this is what I've got from netstat: |
| 06:02.22 | gvrocha | tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN - off (0.00/0/0) |
| 06:02.23 | gvrocha | t |
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| 06:02.41 | gvrocha | bucky: i am running ubuntu. does that make a difference? |
| 06:02.43 | jm_ | don't paste here, "/msg dpkg paste", "/msg dpkg paster" |
| 06:02.43 | bucky | it's pretty hard to get apache not to work when you have it in ps aux |
| 06:02.48 | jm_ | yes, go to #ubuntu |
| 06:02.59 | sep | that's nothing like i getfrom my netstat mine includes what ps/PID is bound to the port |
| 06:03.16 | bob2 | gvrocha: ubuntu questions are not approriate here, surprisingly |
| 06:03.47 | gvrocha | bucky: how should ec/host look like? |
| 06:03.51 | gvrocha | bucky: how should etc/host look like? |
| 06:04.01 | bucky | gvrocha, ask in #ubuntu |
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| 06:05.15 | philth | okay, first time here, in gnome I cannot raise my reslution to > 1024x768 I have entries in /etc/X11/XFree86-4 for it, but it dosn't give me an optiont to change it |
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| 06:06.34 | sep | philth, you will only have available the resolutions you have in XF86Config-4 that are within the range your monitor can support, rerun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and verify that your monitor settings are right |
| 06:07.23 | sep | philth, most modern monitors wont break from to high frequenzies anymore. so you can try to go overboard a bit if you fancy |
| 06:07.30 | jm_ | X logfile will show details about it |
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| 06:08.29 | Gnea | ke6isf: http://retro-negation.nillahood.net/BillCosbyTI.jpg |
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| 06:08.51 | philth | sep: I know my monitor will do 1280x1034 from windows |
| 06:09.02 | rwimn | how to print others name before what you what to speak |
| 06:09.12 | rwimn | who,can help me |
| 06:09.28 | philth | I've ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and explicetly selected 1280x1024 |
| 06:09.43 | sep | philth, tell that to dpkg-reonfigure xserver-xfree86, not to me |
| 06:09.44 | Segers_J | rwimn: I just type the first few letters and hit tab |
| 06:09.47 | justin420 | anybody able to help with getting a logitech quickcam pro 3000 to work?? ive tested it in win xp pro sp2 to make sure it works, and it does. All i get in linux is a blank picture?? |
| 06:10.20 | philth | sep, Heh, sorry shouldn't have split that responce. I have told it, it doesn't seem to care tho |
| 06:10.37 | rwimn | Segers_J, thank you,that's what i want |
| 06:10.42 | sep | philth, i am talking about the monitor settings not the resolution settins, if you define your hsync vsync to low you wont get the option to use that resolution |
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| 06:11.17 | philth | sep, OH!, Do i gotta figre what my monitor can do.. |
| 06:11.21 | philth | sep, thanks |
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| 06:11.44 | sep | philth, good luck |
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| 06:15.58 | philth | sep, Worked like a charm. horz and vert were 1/2 what the monitor was capable of. |
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| 06:17.34 | MegaHambone | hey - is there a package that will let me shutdown my xp/2000 boxes that are internal to my network? |
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| 06:18.22 | MegaHambone | i'm like 1000 miles away from my xp box and it seems to have locked up, leaving me without VNC. I would love to force it to reboot. |
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| 06:19.26 | furbsd | only if you can turn off my internal washing machine in basement |
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| 06:19.42 | edgarin | hi |
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| 06:20.07 | mozez | hi, is there a way to know somebody's IP if they send me a yahoo email? |
| 06:20.09 | MegaHambone | LOL.. |
| 06:20.24 | sep | MegaHambone, is the xp in a domain ? |
| 06:20.32 | MegaHambone | no. |
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| 06:21.11 | MegaHambone | unfortunately, this is what I have. I have a linux machine using iptables to serve internet to 4 systems in my apartment. |
| 06:21.21 | Supaplex | mortum: RFC822 etc |
| 06:21.41 | MegaHambone | all I have is telnet access to my linux machine. |
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| 06:23.23 | justin420 | Anybody help with getting a webcam to work? I've already tested it in Win XP PRO SP2 and it works just fine there, I just get a blank screen in Debian when I try to view it. |
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| 06:24.33 | scanwinder | would most pcmcia usb cards be linux compatible? |
| 06:25.24 | grendal_prime | hey i got a machine here..wound up with kde 3.4 on it...i really dont like it..there are several things that just dont work on it yet...im having a bitch of a time getting it off and the 3.3 back on..any advice? |
| 06:25.29 | chealer_ | hum, what's the use of such a card? pcmcia to USB adapter? |
| 06:25.32 | indol | how good is debain for laptops? |
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| 06:26.05 | chealer_ | grendal_prime, reinstall comes to mind |
| 06:26.16 | grendal_prime | Im using aptitude for the package management |
| 06:26.31 | grendal_prime | chealer_, you mean the kde pacakges right? |
| 06:26.31 | scanwinder | chealer: yes, pcmcia to usb adaptor |
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| 06:26.53 | streuner | indol: what laptop do you have? |
| 06:28.39 | indol | im asking in general |
| 06:28.48 | crispynix-v6 | grendal_prime: what's wrong with 3.4.2? |
| 06:28.53 | chealer_ | grendal_prime, you generally can'T downgrae |
| 06:29.04 | chealer_ | except by reinstalling |
| 06:29.09 | crispynix-v6 | it's possible to downgrade, just complicated |
| 06:29.14 | nkuttler | indol: great, as long as your hardware is supported |
| 06:29.24 | streuner | indol: ok, very good |
| 06:29.32 | crispynix-v6 | involves a lot of apt-get install package=version package=version package=version ... and apt sources with the older versions. |
| 06:29.46 | grendal_prime | hmmm crispynix-v6 well for the most part, there are a few things that just wont work. mostly the speach plugins |
| 06:30.05 | scanwinder | chealer_: soz didnt see the underscore after ur name...........yes, i mean pcmcia to usb adaptor, would most be linux compatible....coz im thinking of getting one |
| 06:30.23 | grendal_prime | my daughter loves to have it read things to her...from websites...well it festival plugin for konqurer just doesnt work |
| 06:30.53 | chealer_ | scanwinder, I have no idea |
| 06:30.58 | crispynix-v6 | grendal_prime: ah, never used those so I can't help you there... I could probably come up with a way to downgrade for you, but it's gonna be complicated. |
| 06:31.18 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
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| 06:31.38 | crispynix-v6 | grendal_prime: try #kde if you want to (hopefully) resolve the probs -- maybe they're fixed in 3.5 beta1. Otherwise, downgrading is the only option I guess. |
| 06:32.15 | grendal_prime | well...i guess i could try upgrading the rest of the packages on the machine...maybe there was just something that the older packaegs didnt like... |
| 06:32.34 | streuner | indol: keep in mind, the question is your hardware supported or not is a kernel-question... |
| 06:33.03 | crispynix-v6 | grendal_prime: might want to try a clean profile as well; create a user and login as that user, see whether or not the problems are present. |
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| 06:33.20 | streuner | indol: not a debian, ubuntu, gentoo question |
| 06:33.32 | indol | i see |
| 06:33.45 | grendal_prime | i would think i could just remove all the kde packages then remove the sourcelist entry to the unstable repositore...reinstall the older version of kde...no dice though |
| 06:33.53 | streuner | !tell indol about laptops |
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| 06:34.46 | crispynix-v6 | grendal_prime: you can try to apt-get install kde=version, and that might work. failing that, apt-get install kde-core=version, and reinstall the rest afterwards. |
| 06:35.11 | chealer_ | grendal_prime, your package manager has nothing to do with Debian's inability to downgrade |
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| 06:35.33 | grendal_prime | well i have already removed the kde packages |
| 06:36.41 | grendal_prime | is it because some of the elements requre a newer version of say gcc and whatnot? |
| 06:36.48 | afita_ | hello. i have a problem with an ospf router configured with quagga on debian stable (I use the debian stable kernel also, I didn't compile my own kernel). i see this in my ospfd.log: "sendmsg in ospf_write to 224.0.0.5 failed with Operation not permitted", and ospf routing doesn't work. any suggestions? thanks |
| 06:37.23 | crispynix-v6 | grendal_prime: apt-cache show kdebase |grep Version <--- is 3.3.x still available from your current sources? |
| 06:38.00 | grendal_prime | i cleared the cache |
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| 06:38.17 | crispynix-v6 | apt-cache has nothing to do with /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 06:38.27 | grendal_prime | hold on |
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| 06:40.47 | EdLin | do you need Windows to be installed to use ndiswrapper? |
| 06:40.57 | grendal_prime | shit...its almost 12...i have to fly at 5 am |
| 06:41.17 | grendal_prime | thanks for the help guys |
| 06:41.38 | zvn | should I use .bashrc or .bash_profile for my environment variables |
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| 06:42.21 | morky | hi |
| 06:42.52 | morky | who can send me php4 modul? exetly mod_php4.so |
| 06:43.03 | furbsd | google |
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| 06:43.43 | crispynix-v6 | zvn: bash reads .bash_profile when invoked as a login shell and .bashrc when invoked as an interactive shell. Probably you should just symlink .bashrc to .bash_profile ;) |
| 06:43.55 | EdLin | morky: try searching for what package it's in. |
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| 06:44.33 | EdLin | zvn: crispynix-v6: if you want to keep the default configuration that's a *bad* idea |
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| 06:49.10 | chealer_ | morky, many people |
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| 07:02.06 | Scalpel | On my laptop I have a wlan card. After loading the module I can see it with iwconfig. However when I do ifup eth2 (that is the wlan device iwconfig sees) it fails. Anyone got an idea ? |
| 07:02.48 | sep | have anyone knowledge of a howto or document on how to configure spf checking on postfix in debian sarge ? |
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| 07:03.14 | maurer_ | hi |
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| 07:03.53 | maurer_ | i use a debian gateway for routing.. i set about 30 static routesd with up route .. in the interfaces file. but not all routes are working what can be sthe problem ? |
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| 07:05.28 | sep | maurer_, you have a typo in your config |
| 07:05.36 | kikinovak | Hi. I have a rather puzzling problem with bridging and IP masquerading. I use dialup to connect to the internet. Up until recently I had the desktop PC connect via dialup, and my laptop could share that connection thanks to IP masquerading... |
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| 07:06.11 | kikinovak | ... but now I put a second ethernet card into my main desktop PC (because I had one left, and a crosslink cable too, and no hub...) |
| 07:06.12 | kikinovak | ... |
| 07:06.24 | chealer_ | Scalpel, what kind of failure? |
| 07:06.28 | sep | maurer_, if you want real help start by posting your interfaces file and route -n on paster |
| 07:06.52 | kikinovak | I installed bridge-utils and setup a br0 interface for both eth0 and eth1 |
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| 07:07.23 | kikinovak | .... but since I did that... well, I can ping the bridge from both laptops... but I can't share my connection anymore. |
| 07:07.24 | sep | !tell kikinovak about enter |
| 07:07.32 | theD3viL | Which programm for gift? guntella or OpenFT? |
| 07:07.42 | maurer_ | sep ok now i see the problem.. after i boot the server . i did a ifdown eth0 but i become the error: ifdown: interface eth0 not configured |
| 07:08.08 | maurer_ | the interface is up.. after i did ifconfig eth0 down; ifup eth0 the routes all here. |
| 07:08.12 | maurer_ | any idea |
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| 07:08.24 | sep | kikinovak, you have ofcouse adjusted your masquerading to work from the bridge instead of eth0 towards your ppp0 |
| 07:08.26 | kikinovak | ok sorry for the enters. anyone can take a minute so I can explain in detail? |
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| 07:09.03 | kikinovak | sep well I'm not really an iptables specialist... I copied a recipe from the web, and it worked... |
| 07:09.04 | Scalpel | chealer_: that is the problem.. I can't get to an error message... can't find anything in the logs |
| 07:09.09 | sep | kikinovak, when you configure a bridge br0, your eth0 and eth1 cease to exsist in the normal sense, so you must replace eth0 with bro in your masq / iptables setup |
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| 07:09.32 | Scalpel | chealer_: just.. "fail to bring up" |
| 07:09.41 | kikinovak | sep my iptables setup is a two-liner... here it is: |
| 07:10.07 | kikinovak | 1st line goes like this: iptables -F; iptables -t nat -F; iptables -t mangle -F |
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| 07:10.28 | kikinovak | 2nd line: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 07:10.49 | kikinovak | now which line should I alter now to configure the bridge to work? |
| 07:11.18 | kikinovak | sep btw thanks for helping |
| 07:11.21 | wireddd | !hal |
| 07:11.23 | dpkg | i heard hal is a Hardware Abstraction Layer from freedesktop.org, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine the hardware present in a system and be notified of its changes. |
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| 07:11.39 | sep | kikinovak, that sounds sane, there must be something else. i assume now that you have moved the ip config from eth0 to br0 ? |
| 07:11.47 | wireddd | do I need hal? |
| 07:11.51 | sep | ands that you have not included ppp0 in your bridge :) |
| 07:12.09 | sep | wireddd, how should we know of your needs ? |
| 07:12.12 | chealer_ | Scalpel, maybe google can help you find causes |
| 07:12.45 | kikinovak | well, ifconfig shows me 192.168.1.1 for br0, empty entries for eth0 and eth1 |
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| 07:13.43 | sep | kikinovak, this is ofcouse rather obvious, but you ahve rerun your iptables script after adding the bridge ofcourse ? |
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| 07:14.08 | sep | kikinovak, and brcrl show does not include ppp0 only eth0 and eth1 ? |
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| 07:14.53 | sep | kikinovak, also from laptop you have default route towards your 192.168.1.1, and try if you can from laptop ping the ppp0 interface ip address. |
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| 07:15.29 | kikinovak | sep ah... well I think we have the error. of course. you mean I have to run the iptables script AFTER the bridge is created? (maybe a silly question for you) |
| 07:15.57 | jm_ | that depends on your firewall rules - one can set the rules for non-existing interfaces with it |
| 07:16.14 | jm_ | then there's ebtables for bridging |
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| 07:17.04 | sep | kikinovak, well i dont know how it would react, after all your iptables have no reference to the bridge at all it only ties into the nat table. |
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| 07:17.21 | Scalpel | chealer_: I tried.. but can't really find anything... it seems to go wrong at or after pump.. but when I dop it static it comes up but no traffic.... but coffy break now. *grrr* |
| 07:17.31 | kikinovak | sep I'll try and change the order of things... be back in 2 min |
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| 07:19.21 | theD3viL | Which programm for p2p ? |
| 07:19.38 | sep | it's when you try and help someone with tricky questions on #debian you realize how limited ones knowledge realy is... |
| 07:19.51 | sep | theD3viL, i use mldonkey, but i'v heard it's scorned upon |
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| 07:20.42 | sep | s/use/ have installed, but is almost never running/ |
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| 07:23.18 | zvn | crispynix-v6, the concept of a 'login shell' is somewhat unclear to me... a vtty is creates a login shell and xterm doesn't? |
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| 07:24.05 | crispynix-v6 | zvn: it's somewhat unclear to me as well, and to make things more complicated some term emus such as Konsole and gnome-terminal don't use the same damn files. |
| 07:24.12 | JohnnyST | Is someone close to the kernel development here and knows if 2.6.13.3 is going to be out soon? |
| 07:24.25 | crispynix-v6 | zvn: which is why it's best to just merge them if necessary and symlink one to the other |
| 07:24.44 | caphuso | x terminal emulators tend to have a setting for login/non-login shells |
| 07:24.46 | pacman | "login shell" is perfectly clear to me, but I don't think I can explain it because it really isn't a well-thought-out concept to begin with |
| 07:25.10 | crispynix-v6 | well, it's somewhat unclear when it comes to the difference between interactive shell and login shell. |
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| 07:25.44 | dvsdude | hey all |
| 07:25.46 | pacman | when you log in at the "login:" prompt, that's a login shell. If you type "bash", you've started another shell that, while interactive, is not a login shell. |
| 07:25.49 | zvn | crispynix-v6, quite... non-interactive is obvious for all |
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| 07:26.10 | crispynix-v6 | pack: yes, but a login shell is interactive too, so does it source both files? |
| 07:26.13 | crispynix-v6 | er, pacman |
| 07:26.19 | cheal | JohnnyST: no. follow debian-kernel |
| 07:26.54 | pacman | the state of being a login shell (login-ness?) is given by the parent program, which sticks a dash on the beginning of the shell's argv[0], or by invoking it with an option that explicitly requests login-ness (-l) |
| 07:27.09 | pacman | all login shells are interactive, but not all interactive shells are login shells |
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| 07:27.25 | cheal | JohnnyST: oh you mean the upstream release? |
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| 07:27.31 | crispynix-v6 | I prefer to ignore the distinction and simply have all of my interactive/login shells reading the same files. |
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| 07:27.50 | zvn | pacman: "An interactive shell is one started without non-option arguments" |
| 07:27.58 | pacman | yes, I also find the distinction mostly useless. |
| 07:28.21 | zvn | pacman, but login shell *does have* an option argument |
| 07:28.34 | pacman | my .zlogin just has terminal setup stuff. |
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| 07:28.59 | zvn | oops, sorry, pacman, but login shell *does have* an non-option argument |
| 07:29.10 | zvn | namely - |
| 07:29.58 | pacman | zvn, that's not an argument, OR an option... it's part of the program name. it's generated by something like this: execlp("sh", "-sh", (char *)NULL) |
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| 07:30.50 | zvn | pacman, oh, I misinterpreted the man page... should learn to read :) |
| 07:31.08 | zvn | pacman, that's settled then |
| 07:31.17 | pacman | if you have any logins (from getty, or xterm -ls) you should see the - on the beginning of the command name in the ps listing |
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| 07:31.51 | pacman | lying to the program about its own name to get different behavior is an old unix trick, most people think it's unpleasant for some reason |
| 07:32.10 | pacman | it's sort of like gzip and gunzip, which are the same program, when you run it it looks at its own name to decide what to do |
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| 07:32.27 | zvn | pacman, yeah, testing for argv[0] for different behaviour... |
| 07:32.32 | jm_ | then there are the tricks with changing programs argument during run-time |
| 07:32.48 | shad0w1e | whats the easiest way to install KDE 3.x onto a woody system without upgrading to sarge? |
| 07:32.57 | pacman | ah, setproctitle... that _is_ unpleasant :) |
| 07:33.16 | cheal | shad0w1e: ask #debian-kde |
| 07:33.23 | shad0w1e | thanx |
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| 07:35.33 | ircdevil | how can i download this: <ref href = "mms://wms.dr.dk/storage/forbrug/Livsstil/Laegens bord_05/uds-24.wmv"/> ? |
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| 07:35.41 | liable | shad0w1e: you will have to uprgrade eventually.. |
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| 07:37.57 | dvsdude | ircdevil change the mms to http i can see it |
| 07:38.32 | dvsdude | ircdevil; sounds european |
| 07:38.41 | doleyb | ircdevil: you download that with mplayer -dumpstream |
| 07:38.45 | sep | liable, why ? i still have a potato running :) |
| 07:38.48 | dvsdude | ircdevil: danish |
| 07:38.53 | ircdevil | dvsdude: it is. |
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| 07:39.02 | ircdevil | doleyb: no mplayer here :o/ |
| 07:39.02 | dvsdude | ircdevil; watching it now |
| 07:39.09 | ircdevil | dvsdude: skip it. its not fun |
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| 07:39.46 | dvsdude | ircdevil; got anyother links to danish casts i was born denmark |
| 07:39.57 | sussudio_ | hmm danish. |
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| 07:40.38 | dvsdude | ircdevil: i found on underground sites links are done this way to help hide them |
| 07:40.39 | sussudio_ | http://www.tildas.com/images/Fruit%20Danish.JPG |
| 07:41.11 | dvsdude | sussudio_: lol |
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| 07:43.05 | Eclipser | sussudio_, grr, I'm hungry anyway |
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| 07:43.43 | JohnnyST | cheal: upsteram yes. |
| 07:44.14 | cheal | JohnnyST: nobody here has any clue. ask #kernel |
| 07:44.18 | theD3viL | which is good program for p2p in debian?? |
| 07:44.38 | Eclipser | theD3viL, depends what network you want to use :) |
| 07:44.42 | cpop | Hello. I'm connecting from a Debian box to another Debian box over ssh. Both are running testing. I can't see able to use keys such as PgUp in the console, I get ~ instead. I changed EscapeChar to "none" in ssh_config and reconnected, still nothing. |
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| 07:44.59 | dvsdude | Eclipser: the one with the most porn lol |
| 07:45.08 | dvsdude | :-) |
| 07:45.12 | Eclipser | dvsdude, I wouldn't know that >.<; |
| 07:45.14 | cpop | Any other settings I could look at? |
| 07:45.24 | dvsdude | thats what u tell us |
| 07:45.29 | Eclipser | !u |
| 07:45.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:45.32 | dvsdude | just joking |
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| 07:46.02 | dvsdude | dpkg: dont have a cow man |
| 07:46.08 | cpop | Would the keymap on the target system affect this? |
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| 07:46.49 | jason | greetings everyone |
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| 07:47.00 | dvsdude | jason: hey |
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| 07:47.27 | jason | is bitchx the best way to use irc in console? |
| 07:47.34 | alienbrain | I've just finished installing sarge from official cd-roms, everything is working fine, but when checking my apt's sources.list, I found that CD-Roms are marked as "unstable" instead of stable, anyone have an idea of that ? |
| 07:47.39 | Eclipser | jason, irssi |
| 07:47.48 | liable | !best irc client |
| 07:47.48 | dpkg | i guess irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 07:48.03 | jason | ha |
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| 07:48.12 | jason | the bots can do that! |
| 07:48.24 | liable | cpop: try screen. http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html |
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| 07:48.35 | jason | what about bitchx |
| 07:48.40 | jason | is that any good |
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| 07:49.09 | karsten | jason: No. |
| 07:49.14 | pacman | alienbrain, is that the 3.1r0a release, or the original 3.1? |
| 07:49.25 | jason | oh |
| 07:49.30 | Eclipser | bitchx is like the name implies... a bitch |
| 07:49.39 | karsten | Eclipser: ... unless it's an ex-bitch. |
| 07:49.46 | jason | so why has it been around for so long? |
| 07:49.49 | alienbrain | pacman, 3.1r0a |
| 07:50.00 | Eclipser | once a bitch, always a bitch |
| 07:50.05 | Eclipser | or something |
| 07:50.08 | pacman | 3.1r0a was released very quickly after the original 3.1, to correct a problem where someone had forgot to change "unstable" to "stable", I think. |
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| 07:51.00 | cpop | liable: I don't see what screen has to do with it... I want 8 bit keys over ssh. |
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| 07:51.23 | jason | it is called irrs? |
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| 07:51.36 | Eclipser | irssi |
| 07:51.41 | jason | ok thanks |
| 07:51.48 | alienbrain | pacman, I see, do you have any idea about how to correct this ? force apt to recognize them as stable or so |
| 07:51.49 | Eclipser | irssi-text in debian |
| 07:51.53 | liable | cpop: then i must have misunderstood.. |
| 07:51.58 | lkqw | if i cat /proc/card0/pcm0c/oss, should there be any output? |
| 07:52.11 | jason | is it in the debian lists |
| 07:52.52 | cheal | alienbrain: that's normal. all dists point to sarge on the CDs |
| 07:53.30 | pacman | alienbrain, I haven't actually used sarge CDs... I've used potato and woody CDs, and upgraded from there... haven't done any fresh installs since sarge was released |
| 07:53.48 | alienbrain | cheal, sorry I don't get it |
| 07:54.17 | cheal | alienbrain: don't care about your sources.list reading unstable for the CDs. it's equivalent to sarge |
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| 07:54.32 | pacman | cpop, 8-bit has nothing to do with it, you have a terminfo problem or wrong TERM variable or something like that |
| 07:55.24 | alienbrain | cheal, yes, but after apt installs these packages from cd-roms that were marked as unstable, in the apt database of installed packages, will these packages be marked as unstable or stable ? |
| 07:55.39 | jason | what about ircii is that anygood |
| 07:55.45 | jason | for an irc client? |
| 07:56.14 | cpop | pacman: would that be an issue on the system where I ssh, or the one where I ssh from? |
| 07:56.19 | crispynix-v6 | ircii is ancient. try irssi for console, or xchat/konversation with X. |
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| 07:56.38 | cheal | ancient seems to be the right term |
| 07:56.48 | pacman | bah, ircii is as good as it ever was, and it ever was the only true irc client! |
| 07:56.49 | cheal | konversation->KDE |
| 07:56.52 | jason | how do I improve the detail of my consel side of linux... ins't there a command you pass to the kernel for it? |
| 07:56.55 | cheal | xchat is GTK |
| 07:56.59 | crispynix-v6 | pacman: back ;) |
| 07:57.03 | crispynix-v6 | dangit |
| 07:57.05 | crispynix-v6 | bah even |
| 07:57.06 | cpop | pacman: both have TERM=vt100... I'm guessing that's not so great. |
| 07:57.26 | jason | I want to use console |
| 07:57.52 | pacman | cpop, if they're both Debian they should agree with each other by default, I would think. In any case, you should check out what escape sequence is being sent, and compare that to what infocmp things |
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| 07:58.00 | cheal | alienbrain: stable...it shouldn't cause any problem anyway |
| 07:58.06 | lkqw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:58.26 | alienbrain | cheal, great, thank you! |
| 07:58.28 | crispynix-v6 | lkqw: ask, but #alsa does exist. |
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| 07:58.52 | lkqw | yeah; they're pretty quiet right now |
| 07:59.06 | jason | what about the console detail, does anyone no the kernel command to pass so that I get better then the dos style font size? |
| 07:59.14 | liable | jason: if you mean what i think you mean, vga=foo, append to your kernel line. |
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| 07:59.29 | peterS | jason: what graphics card have you got? |
| 07:59.36 | liable | jason: not 'foo' literally.. :) |
| 07:59.42 | jason | umm, does that make my screen like 1024x768 at console level? |
| 07:59.47 | jason | vesa fb |
| 07:59.55 | peterS | jason: what graphics card have you got? |
| 08:00.11 | crispynix-v6 | jason: you might want to try a framebuffer console (fbcon), if such doesn't interfere with something else. (vesafb/rivafb/nvidiafb will interfere with nvidia's X driver) |
| 08:00.12 | pacman | jason, vga on the kernel command line is primitive. You don't have to reboot, just use SVGATextMode or fbset |
| 08:00.35 | jason | I have a cheapo card sis I think |
| 08:00.49 | crispynix-v6 | there's a framebuffer driver for SiS cards - sisfb? |
| 08:00.50 | jason | not accellerated lappy |
| 08:00.55 | peterS | jason: I think if you install 'fbset' you can change resolution that way. I'm not positive, as vesafb used to be somewhat limited |
| 08:01.17 | cpop | pacman: How do I determine what keys are sent? There was a console tool for printing out key codes, IIRC... |
| 08:01.18 | jason | fbset, what is that? |
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| 08:01.29 | nkuttler | cpop: xev? |
| 08:01.37 | peterS | jason: it's a utility to change kernel framebuffer settings. I don't know how well vesafb supports this stuff though |
| 08:01.45 | cpop | nkuttler: console tool |
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| 08:01.58 | takatumi | cpop: xmodmap |
| 08:02.05 | pacman | cpop, uh, how about you just hit ^V and then type the key at the shell, prompt? or run "cat" and type the key? maybe a good book is in order for you... |
| 08:02.19 | da_bon_bon | hi all.. is there any "debian starter kit" that installs "essential" stuff like flash, acrobat, xine, mpplayer, dvd playback et all. for me ? in one single file ? |
| 08:02.23 | peterS | jason: run this, will you? lspci -n | awk '/0300/{print $3}' |
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| 08:02.37 | nkuttler | da_bon_bon: um, how is that essential? |
| 08:02.41 | peterS | jason: that should print out some 1039:xxxx and it'll tell us whether sisfb is supposed to work on your hardware |
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| 08:02.42 | jason | umm ok |
| 08:02.50 | cpop | pacman: I should read a book for figuring out how to set my console to use PgUp? O.O |
| 08:03.01 | sep | da_bon_bon, strange you call that essential.. i call it unnessecary... |
| 08:03.04 | da_bon_bon | nkuttler: not essential.. but it will make my works easier.. want to set up debian for coupla friends |
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| 08:03.19 | da_bon_bon | sep: depends on out viewpoint :) |
| 08:03.23 | da_bon_bon | *our |
| 08:03.38 | crispynix-v6 | hm, he could probably change res with just vesafb tho ;o |
| 08:03.47 | nkuttler | da_bon_bon: put all you want in one file and apt-get install $(cat file) |
| 08:03.50 | crispynix-v6 | it's in the documentation for sure |
| 08:04.09 | cpop | pacman: anyway, the escape is ^[[5~ and infocmp says it's "kpp", now what? :) |
| 08:04.13 | jason | yes |
| 08:04.14 | peterS | crispynix-v6: see, that I'm not sure about. in the bad old days, vesafb could only talk to the vesa bios during early boot, to change things like resolution |
| 08:04.15 | jason | here it is |
| 08:04.17 | sep | da_bon_bon, your free to script your own you know |
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| 08:04.33 | jason | 5333:8c12 |
| 08:04.43 | crispynix-v6 | peterS: well, change it with a kernel boot param |
| 08:04.56 | da_bon_bon | nkuttler: "file" is a list of all the files i want to install ? |
| 08:04.57 | crispynix-v6 | or try vesafb-tng/sisfb |
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| 08:05.07 | da_bon_bon | sep: i do.. but i am lazy :( |
| 08:05.10 | peterS | crispynix-v6: that's kind of tedious, having to reboot just to try a resolution. and the syntax is really wacky |
| 08:05.15 | nkuttler | !lazy |
| 08:05.16 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 08:05.17 | sep | have anyone knowledge of a howto or document on how to configure spf checking on postfix in debian sarge ? |
| 08:05.23 | crispynix-v6 | not with vesafb-tng :) |
| 08:05.49 | jason | what does that number tell? |
| 08:05.55 | crispynix-v6 | sisfb would probably be faster than any vesa fbcon though |
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| 08:06.09 | jason | for me? |
| 08:06.14 | crispynix-v6 | yep |
| 08:06.16 | jason | ok |
| 08:06.20 | sgeigerbot | If I wanted to dd the partition table of one 25 gig drive to another identical drive, how many MB would I have to transfer? (I don't care about transferring the contents of the partitions--I'll take care of that in a separate step. I'm just trying to speed things up a bit if I can.) |
| 08:06.21 | tcsetattr | oops... |
| 08:06.23 | peterS | jason: oh, savagefb is your module, not sisfb |
| 08:06.26 | peterS | jason: you have an S3 |
| 08:06.28 | crispynix-v6 | jason: do you spend a lot of time in the console? |
| 08:06.34 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 08:06.34 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 08:06.34 | da_bon_bon | nkuttler: ok.. i take "lazy" back .. i am not good at scripting |
| 08:06.36 | nite613 | sgeigerbot: 512 bytes |
| 08:06.38 | jason | ohoh |
| 08:06.39 | jason | ok |
| 08:06.46 | jason | I due now |
| 08:06.56 | jason | I like it, nice a simple for a lowend computer |
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| 08:07.01 | sgeigerbot | nite613: I think you are talking about the mbr. |
| 08:07.13 | tcsetattr | the partition table is part of the MBR. |
| 08:07.31 | peterS | jason: you should be able to load just savagefb and *not* vesafb, at boot time. I'm not sure whether you can 'rmmod vesafb; modprobe savagefb' or whether this would require a reboot |
| 08:07.34 | jason | so how do I change that setting in the xfree86 |
| 08:07.40 | tcsetattr | people used to know how to do a lot with 512 bytes... |
| 08:08.06 | jason | well, I thought you guys were talking about my xserver, sorry about that |
| 08:08.06 | jason | haha |
| 08:08.08 | sep | da_bon_bon, make 1 box the way you want it, copy out the sources.list, and run a dpkg --get-selections >?/selections.txt, now you ahve 2 files that are what you need to install the aditional packages you want all all debians |
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| 08:08.13 | jason | back to console talk |
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| 08:08.27 | nite613 | sgeigerbot: the partition table is part of the MBR, no? |
| 08:08.34 | da_bon_bon | sep: ok.. |
| 08:08.36 | peterS | jason: for xfree86, you can do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' to set the list of resolutions you want to have available when you run. then at runtime you can use 'xrandr' or the GNOME or KDE equivalents |
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| 08:08.45 | jason | oh! |
| 08:08.49 | jason | thats how you do it |
| 08:08.50 | nite613 | sgeigerbot: wait, that's not entirely true |
| 08:08.51 | jason | gees |
| 08:08.57 | da_bon_bon | if the truth be told, i was looking for something like the ubuntu addon .. but i will use sep's idea.. |
| 08:09.07 | peterS | jason: right, both GNOME and KDE come with configuration applets that use the same mechanism as xrandr. so just look around for those. |
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| 08:09.18 | crispynix-v6 | jason: er... if you're talking about fbcon, try savagefb first and stick with it if it does everything you want. otherwise, try vesafb-tng (http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/vesafb-tng/) |
| 08:09.25 | sgeigerbot | nite613: you might be right. I was thinking of the filesystem info itself--which would be larger than 512 bytes |
| 08:09.34 | sep | da_bon_bon, have no idea what that is even, the closes i have been to ubunto was on a covercd at a magaine stand |
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| 08:09.58 | jason | ok |
| 08:10.07 | da_bon_bon | sep: hehe.. ok. |
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| 08:10.18 | nite613 | sgeigerbot: yeah, the superblocks and stuff? That's different. The MBR is actually 446bytes, the last 66 bytes do indeed contain the partition table, but I think that it doesn't hold extended partition information, just hdx0-5 |
| 08:10.19 | jason | crispynix-v6 there is no savagefb |
| 08:10.22 | jason | just savage |
| 08:10.24 | nite613 | sorry, 0-3 |
| 08:10.43 | peterS | nite613: 1-4 actually, Linux numbers them starting at 1 so that 0 represents the whole disk |
| 08:10.47 | crispynix-v6 | jason: are you talking about a X driver or a console fb driver? O_o |
| 08:10.55 | jason | x driver |
| 08:10.57 | zcat[1] | help - apt-get dist-upgrade broke my server (testing) - two problems; udev doesn't seem to like /dev/md0 which I've got around, and the boot hangs on "ipv6 over ipv4 tunneling driver" - what causes this, or at least what can I do to get past the problem for now.. |
| 08:11.00 | crispynix-v6 | bah, nevermind |
| 08:11.18 | nite613 | peterS: I should know how partitions are numbered, I've been doing disk recovery for the last six hours :P |
| 08:11.21 | peterS | jason: when you 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86', select the S3 Savage driver rather than the vesa driver. should work, and work better. |
| 08:11.31 | peterS | nite613: heh |
| 08:11.48 | hate29 | someone know how to make my sound blaster audigy platinum work? |
| 08:12.17 | sgeigerbot | nite613: good info. |
| 08:12.20 | lkqw | alsa question: if a sound card is listed under /proc/asound/devices and /proc/asound/cards, but will not respond to volume changes; specifically amixer will fail with "Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory", and setmixer vol 100 has no effect |
| 08:12.31 | crispynix-v6 | hate29: what version of debian are you using? |
| 08:12.32 | peterS | hate29: should be supported by the alsa emu10k1 driver, I believe. I'm not sure. if so, it's just a matter of installing the 'alsa-utils' package, and loading the 'snd-emu10k1' kernel module |
| 08:12.32 | lkqw | is there a mixer module that has to be loaded? |
| 08:12.36 | jason | oh ok |
| 08:12.40 | zcat[1] | anyone? |
| 08:12.43 | jason | thanks, I will right that down |
| 08:12.47 | nite613 | sgeigerbot: note that a partition table isn't necesarrily valid on a drive with diff geometry |
| 08:13.04 | sgeigerbot | nite613: it's the same drive. |
| 08:13.05 | nite613 | sgeigerbot: what you really want is sfdisk -d |
| 08:13.09 | sgeigerbot | nite613: identical drives. |
| 08:13.12 | nite613 | well in that case it's fine |
| 08:13.15 | peterS | lkqw: alsa doesn't seem to have a separate mixer module, no |
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| 08:13.22 | hate29 | crispynix-v6: I have sarge |
| 08:13.29 | nite613 | but I'm not sure how to deal with extended partitions except with sfdisk |
| 08:13.30 | jason | all right now to test everything, thanks in advance guys |
| 08:13.33 | crispynix-v6 | lkqw: nonexistent files in /dev perhaps? |
| 08:13.38 | jason | latahs |
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| 08:14.30 | hate29 | peterS: and how do I load 'snd-emu10k1' kernel module? |
| 08:14.39 | peterS | hate29: 'modprobe snd-emu10k1' |
| 08:14.52 | hate29 | ok, i try.. |
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| 08:15.03 | peterS | hate29: this is assuming you are using a 2.6 kernel. if you are using 2.4.27, you will need to install a package containing the alsa kernel modules |
| 08:15.17 | lkqw | peterS: thanks for the response! if the cards detected but doesn't seem have a functioning mixer, could there be a setup problem or is there is a hardware issue? |
| 08:15.29 | hate29 | peterS: I have 2.6 |
| 08:15.39 | zcat[1] | hello, anyone? |
| 08:15.40 | tcsetattr | when you see "No such file or directory", you need to mknod something. |
| 08:15.45 | peterS | hate29: good, good. so snd-emu10k1 will already exist, just a matter of loading it with modprobe |
| 08:16.03 | Starf^Work | lo Intel PRO/100 VE network card in a compaq d310 box i am looking at using for debian stable, will it work straight off or do i need a third party driver? |
| 08:16.13 | peterS | Starf^Work: should work with no problem |
| 08:16.21 | Starf^Work | and for zencart and phpbb should i use 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 08:16.26 | peterS | Starf^Work: it'll use the 'e100' kernel driver, which is supported in all recent kernels |
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| 08:16.50 | peterS | Starf^Work: both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels work fine. 2.6 has a few more 'modern' features like better support for some newer hardware |
| 08:16.51 | sgeigerbot | nite613: That's FUCKING smooooooth. Thanks. |
| 08:17.03 | Starf^Work | any need sgeigerbot ? |
| 08:17.09 | nite613 | sgeigerbot: what, the sfdisk? |
| 08:17.20 | sgeigerbot | nite613: % sfdisk -d /dev/hda > hda.out % sfdisk /dev/hda < hda.out |
| 08:17.23 | sgeigerbot | nite613: :-) |
| 08:17.28 | nite613 | yeah, it rules |
| 08:17.32 | hate29 | peterS: it doesn't found it 'FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1 not found.' |
| 08:17.38 | Oliver_Beograd | Is there any way to install kde 3.4.2 on Debian ? Is there any deb packages around or somethig similar ? |
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| 08:17.51 | peterS | hate29: type 'uname -r' and make sure you really are using a 2.6 kernel |
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| 08:17.55 | sandman | Anyone know of an easy way to get wireless LAN PCMCIA cards working under Debian Stable? |
| 08:17.55 | sgeigerbot | nite613: :-) |
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| 08:18.34 | sgeigerbot | nite613: Want to marry my sister? :-) |
| 08:18.36 | hate29 | peterS: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 08:18.52 | nite613 | sgeigerbot: Likely not? Why do you ask? |
| 08:19.00 | sgeigerbot | nite613: :-) |
| 08:19.03 | peterS | hate29: very odd, that kernel definitely should have snd-emu10k1 available |
| 08:19.05 | sgeigerbot | nite613: this is cool. |
| 08:19.24 | Starf^Work | is it that tool that carbon copies the HD on the fly? |
| 08:19.37 | Starf^Work | or dumps it to a file? |
| 08:19.41 | hate29 | peterS: same thing i read from google :) |
| 08:19.42 | ircdevil | dd ? |
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| 08:19.58 | peterS | now now. dd is like cp without the user friendliness |
| 08:20.00 | nite613 | Starf^Work: neither, it's a partitioning tool |
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| 08:20.34 | peterS | I should start awarding points for "useless use of dd" |
| 08:20.41 | encompass | Hey everyone! |
| 08:20.42 | tcsetattr | dpkg -L kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 | fgrep emu |
| 08:20.43 | dpkg | fgrep emu 2.5-2.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 08:20.58 | liable | hehe |
| 08:21.00 | peterS | hate29: does 'modinfo snd-emu10k1' show it? |
| 08:21.03 | nite613 | Lets you take snapshots of partition tables and restore them to a drive with a different geometry. The data is up to you, generally partimage is good to carbon copy filesystems |
| 08:21.12 | Starf^Work | nite613, meh |
| 08:21.14 | Starf^Work | foiled again |
| 08:21.36 | hate29 | peterS: no, still doesn't find |
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| 08:22.52 | tcsetattr | how many points for submitting a patch to coreutils that implements _all_ of the exotic dd features as options to cp, so dd can finally die |
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| 08:23.45 | crispynix-v6 | tcsetattr: but then soem peole might call that feature bloat in cp ;) |
| 08:23.49 | peterS | tcsetattr: I dunno if those belong in cp so much as in cat |
| 08:23.55 | crispynix-v6 | ugh, I can't type this morning |
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| 08:24.06 | peterS | tcsetattr: dd is more like cat than like cp, after all |
| 08:24.28 | peterS | hate29: well I'll be jiggered. I just checked kernel 2.6.8-2-686 and it does not have snd-emu10k1. that's the strangest thing. |
| 08:24.34 | da_bon_bon | sep: i think debianpure.com is what i need |
| 08:24.50 | tcsetattr | basically you need notrunc, seek, and EBCDIC (just to show you're serious)... |
| 08:25.09 | peterS | tcsetattr: and conv=noerror, that's important for recovering from bad CD images and such |
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| 08:25.35 | hate29 | peterS: unstable kernel or what should i do? |
| 08:25.40 | sep | da_bon_bon, sounds neat... if your into desktops |
| 08:25.45 | peterS | ibs and obs aren't needed often but I suppose you'd have to implement them |
| 08:25.58 | peterS | hate29: hmm, does the 'emu10k1' module exist? as opposed to 'snd-emu10k1' |
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| 08:26.05 | da_bon_bon | sep: i am purely into desktops .. cant run on a server on 550mhz piii can i ? :) |
| 08:26.06 | sep | da_bon_bon, and not into it enoughf to warrant a fai install :) |
| 08:26.14 | sep | da_bon_bon, sure you can |
| 08:26.22 | da_bon_bon | sep: whats a "fai install" ? |
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| 08:26.34 | da_bon_bon | sep: a production system on this box ? i wouldnt : |
| 08:26.35 | peterS | da_bon_bon: I don't see why not. 10 years ago that would have been considered the granddaddy of all servers |
| 08:26.36 | sep | da_bon_bon, i run servers on p2's been working flawlessly for 4years + |
| 08:26.47 | hate29 | peterS: yeah, that one exists |
| 08:26.47 | tcsetattr | block sizes, swab, noerror, notrunc, seek, EBCDIC, that's enough, the rest can be done with head and tail |
| 08:26.48 | da_bon_bon | sep: the uptime is 4yrs+ ?! |
| 08:27.04 | da_bon_bon | peterS: ohk.. but i dont really need server tools :) |
| 08:27.06 | peterS | hate29: it might work. your hardware is rather modern, and that driver is not, but you can try it |
| 08:27.12 | sep | da_bon_bon, no., kernel upgrade and a poweroutage, |
| 08:27.19 | crispynix-v6 | sep: I ran servers on my P2 'till it died from a power surge :-/ |
| 08:27.33 | sep | crispynix-v6, hate those power issues |
| 08:27.34 | da_bon_bon | sep: that servers run debian ? |
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| 08:27.40 | sep | crispynix-v6, have invested in a online ups so :) |
| 08:27.41 | hate29 | peterS: as long as i get 5.1 sound is enough for me |
| 08:27.47 | nite613 | is pine right out of etch now? |
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| 08:27.51 | nite613 | not even pine-tracker? |
| 08:28.10 | crispynix-v6 | sep: same here after that happened -- and I don't accept power strips from my parents any more ;o |
| 08:28.11 | peterS | nite613: still seems to exist |
| 08:28.24 | nite613 | not for me |
| 08:28.26 | tcsetattr | peterS, the kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc includes snd-emu10k1, I wonder what happened to the 686 build |
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| 08:28.35 | peterS | nite613: it's still in non-free, of course. maybe you don't have a non-free source in sources.list? |
| 08:28.36 | sep | da_bon_bon, keep in mind i dont run apache2php+java+tomcat on that you scale the hardware to the needs of the service, and when the needs are low no need for a dual xeon |
| 08:28.54 | peterS | tcsetattr: right, I have no idea |
| 08:28.59 | nite613 | peterS: You're right. Just upgraded, forgot to do that thanks |
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| 08:29.14 | da_bon_bon | sep: still .. on a p2 its great.. debian ? |
| 08:29.18 | sep | da_bon_bon, yes |
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| 08:29.34 | sep | da_bon_bon, i have atlest 3 p3's ~500 and 750 running |
| 08:29.52 | peterS | you know, pine-tracker should really be named pinf. as in, 'pine is non-free' |
| 08:29.56 | da_bon_bon | sep: one advice i want from you .. on a desktop system. would you suggest sarge or etch ? surely i dont want sid |
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| 08:30.24 | nite613 | da_bon_bon: etch, especially if you've run linux before |
| 08:30.26 | sep | da_bon_bon, use sarge for everything now, the only reason i'd consider etch was if there was a spesific need that sarge coudnt meet. |
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| 08:30.31 | peterS | da_bon_bon: they both work. etch is a bit rocky right now because sid is still undergoing library transitions, and some breakage leaks through |
| 08:30.33 | jason | crispynix-v6 I want to thank you |
| 08:30.39 | scanwinder | i just got a pcmcia to usb card and, when ive got that and my wireless card in, it wont connect to the wireless access point but, when the usb card isnt in and its just the wireless card, it works fine |
| 08:30.40 | jason | and all you guys, it works perfectly! |
| 08:30.43 | tcsetattr | peterS, actually, packages.debian.org finds snd-emu10k1.ko in the exact kernel image package you mentioned (2.6.8-2-686)... maybe you overlooked it |
| 08:30.43 | nite613 | bah, etch is more fun! You can't play with any new toys ever on sarge |
| 08:30.44 | da_bon_bon | peterS: ok.. |
| 08:30.55 | sep | nite613, we'r not talking about toys here |
| 08:30.56 | crispynix-v6 | jason: what works perfectly, the X driver or the framebuffer console!? ;^) |
| 08:31.05 | peterS | tcsetattr: I was scanning the list of files manually and didn't see it. I could've missed it, I suppose |
| 08:31.13 | da_bon_bon | nite613: i've run linux before.. but i think i want stbility too.. |
| 08:31.16 | jason | framebuffer console |
| 08:31.17 | da_bon_bon | lol, sep |
| 08:31.21 | jason | that is what I needed |
| 08:31.22 | sep | da_bon_bon, especialy if you want stability, and actualy use the conputer instead of playing with it. you want sarge |
| 08:31.29 | crispynix-v6 | jason: great :) |
| 08:31.30 | peterS | jason: heh, cool |
| 08:31.39 | jason | yeah, you guys are great |
| 08:31.45 | peterS | one does what one can |
| 08:31.51 | sep | if you want to try new stuff all the time, and just jerk off to apt-get upgrade then sid is your choise :)) |
| 08:31.51 | jason | I now have 1024x768 full color |
| 08:31.52 | da_bon_bon | sep: you use sarge on your desktops ? |
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| 08:32.06 | sep | da_bon_bon, yes |
| 08:32.12 | da_bon_bon | sep: /me is afraid of sid... |
| 08:32.13 | tcsetattr | I want the opposite of what jason wants... can vgacon work on ppc? |
| 08:32.15 | jason | anyway, I do have another question |
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| 08:32.48 | peterS | tcsetattr: are VGA cards set up for text modes on powerpc? I thought generally the ppc world resigned itself to operating them in graphics modeds |
| 08:32.58 | jason | can{t I jsut go in and change the driver in XFREE so that I don{t have to change all the other setting or even worry about them? |
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| 08:33.03 | sep | da_bon_bon, i dont need etch on my desktop, but i have etch and sid's here, but they are more for fun and testing. not for usage |
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| 08:33.21 | peterS | tcsetattr: to get text mode you'd need it initialised properly in Open Firmware, so the question is not as obvious as it sounds |
| 08:33.29 | tcsetattr | peterS, I dunno, I think it's just a different BIOS on the card, should still have the same abilities.. the problem is that vgacon expects the BIOS to have already configured text mode. |
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| 08:33.35 | da_bon_bon | ok sep |
| 08:33.36 | peterS | yeah |
| 08:33.36 | dark_ | anyone here use kde? |
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| 08:33.48 | crispynix-v6 | dark_: yeah, plus there's #kde |
| 08:33.49 | dark_ | Im lookin for a way to get my KDE menus into blackbox |
| 08:33.57 | dark_ | i asked on #KDE |
| 08:34.03 | dark_ | they wont talk to me cause im switching to blackbox |
| 08:34.03 | dark_ | :P |
| 08:34.05 | sep | da_bon_bon, if none used sid, debian development would halter, but you shoudnt run sarge and etch a while before doing sid. and never on the critical box the first 10 times :) |
| 08:34.05 | tcsetattr | I tried already asking fbcon to restrict itself to some high numbered VCs, all that happened was that the low numbered ones went black and stayed black :) |
| 08:34.15 | peterS | oh dear |
| 08:34.18 | Starf^Work | debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso is that stable release? |
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| 08:34.30 | da_bon_bon | sep: lol.. i have only one box.. so cant turn it into a toy : |
| 08:34.30 | jason | no |
| 08:34.34 | jason | not really stable |
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| 08:34.43 | jason | that is a release candidate |
| 08:34.49 | jason | see the r0a |
| 08:34.50 | dark_ | is there a config file where the menu info is kept? |
| 08:34.51 | crispynix-v6 | dark_: well, you could ask in #blackbox but there doesn't appear to be many people in there. |
| 08:34.59 | crispynix-v6 | dark_: not a single file, no |
| 08:35.00 | peterS | tcsetattr: yeah, video cards traditionally have been very black boxes as far as initialising them goes - every OS relies absolutely on the card's own firmware |
| 08:35.02 | sep | da_bon_bon, atlest 6 computers within arms reach.. 1 deskto for usage, 5 for testing/toying. |
| 08:35.12 | Starf^Work | I downloaded it from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso which is from the page http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 08:35.13 | jason | I wish I know dark_ but I don't |
| 08:35.22 | jason | I am a gnome user |
| 08:35.26 | da_bon_bon | sep: wish i had that many :) |
| 08:35.37 | sep | da_bon_bon, work for a computer shop... :) |
| 08:35.47 | tcsetattr | jason, r0a is an actual release, a tiny increment ahead of 3.1 |
| 08:35.55 | dark_ | not one file eh |
| 08:35.56 | dark_ | :( |
| 08:36.01 | jason | I think there is a menu generator in some of the other blackboxish WM but I have no idea |
| 08:36.07 | tcsetattr | a brown paper bag release |
| 08:36.11 | jason | ohhh |
| 08:36.11 | da_bon_bon | sep: i am a student only :) 16yr old :) |
| 08:36.13 | jason | so sorry |
| 08:36.15 | dark_ | hrm |
| 08:36.30 | da_bon_bon | anyway guys.. gotta go now |
| 08:36.31 | crispynix-v6 | dark_: this might be helpful if you want to read a lengthy spec: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-0.9.html |
| 08:36.37 | sep | da_bon_bon, you can still ahve work in weekends :) |
| 08:36.38 | dark_ | sweet |
| 08:36.39 | dark_ | thjanx |
| 08:36.41 | da_bon_bon | sep: thanks for the advice .. i will get debianpute |
| 08:36.43 | da_bon_bon | *pure |
| 08:36.50 | da_bon_bon | sep: hehe.. thats an idea |
| 08:36.57 | Starf^Work | ok, also whats stable called? is it woody? |
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| 08:37.03 | Starf^Work | i normally use sid lol |
| 08:37.06 | peterS | Starf^Work: stable is sarge |
| 08:37.09 | jason | sarge |
| 08:37.10 | Starf^Work | ok |
| 08:37.12 | da_bon_bon | Starf^Work: sarge |
| 08:37.16 | Starf^Work | so whats testing now? |
| 08:37.18 | tcsetattr | woody is Debian 3.0, it's so stable it's almost dead. |
| 08:37.20 | peterS | Starf^Work: testing is etch |
| 08:37.26 | peterS | Starf^Work: woody is now known as oldstable |
| 08:37.26 | Starf^Work | lol ok |
| 08:37.36 | litage | my dnscache log file shows that a single request is being repeated over and over. how can i determine who is sending the request?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/nn2Bxz68.html |
| 08:37.47 | Starf^Work | for running zencart and phpbb stable sarge should be fine? |
| 08:37.58 | jason | etherreal |
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| 08:38.01 | sep | litage, your log dosnt show that ? |
| 08:38.05 | peterS | Starf^Work: I don't know what zencart is, but phpbb is fine on sarge |
| 08:38.07 | jason | that will see the request and the ip |
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| 08:38.17 | daMaestro | hey all |
| 08:38.21 | jason | hi |
| 08:38.24 | Starf^Work | peterS, zencart is a php based ecommerce thing based on oscommerce |
| 08:38.26 | litage | sep: for some reason, no. check out the url and you can see what's logged |
| 08:38.49 | peterS | Starf^Work: doesn't seem to exist in debian. I guess you're getting it from somewhere else? |
| 08:38.50 | jason | litage did I answer your question? |
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| 08:39.12 | daMaestro | anyone have some advice on how to resuce a server that hangs at LILO (debian woody) |
| 08:39.14 | litage | jason: the machine running dnscache doesn't have X |
| 08:39.26 | Starf^Work | peterS, yeah www.zencart.com, i got it runnig on a sid setup at the moment but i want to move it ove |
| 08:39.28 | Starf^Work | r |
| 08:39.29 | peterS | Starf^Work: anyway ... check to see what version of php it needs. sarge has version 4.3.10, unstable has 4.4.0 and 5.0 I believe |
| 08:39.33 | jason | hmm, well, I would use Knoppix std with ettercap then |
| 08:39.36 | sep | litage, use tcpdump then |
| 08:39.42 | Starf^Work | 4+ i believe |
| 08:39.43 | jason | hack in and do a man in the middle attack |
| 08:39.46 | litage | k |
| 08:40.06 | jason | or just boot into knoppix and start ethereal |
| 08:40.15 | peterS | Starf^Work: well, php version would be the main reason something php-based would not work on sarge. so as long as it doesn't require anything too recent like php 4.4 or php 5, you're probably fine |
| 08:40.18 | jason | from the computer reciave the request |
| 08:40.24 | tcsetattr | thank you for speaking up, sep, I was starting to think tcpdump had been forgotten |
| 08:40.31 | sep | litage, dnscache logs IP addresses as 8 digit hexadecimal, that's actualy the ip address there |
| 08:40.32 | jason | that and ethereal is for windows too isn{t it |
| 08:40.32 | dark_ | mitm eh? |
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| 08:40.45 | dark_ | make sure you arent dumpind data in monitor mode |
| 08:40.46 | dark_ | ;) |
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| 08:40.55 | sep | tcsetattr, tcpdump beats all these new tools hands tied on the back |
| 08:41.06 | petemc | it does? |
| 08:41.11 | peterS | sep: including tethereal? |
| 08:41.18 | jason | haha |
| 08:41.22 | jason | I like um |
| 08:41.25 | daMaestro | can i rescue off a netinstall CD? |
| 08:41.35 | sep | litage, http://dqd.com/~mayoff/notes/djbdns/dnscache-log.html |
| 08:41.36 | jason | bpbp, tough luck changing my mind |
| 08:41.47 | jason | umm yes you can do that |
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| 08:41.51 | sep | peterS, actualy i havent tried thatone so i cant tell |
| 08:41.51 | jm_ | tethereal has far better filters |
| 08:42.05 | jason | I second that |
| 08:42.20 | litage | sep: ah! thanks for that |
| 08:42.23 | peterS | sep: right, tethereal has the ethereal filters and code without the ethereal gui |
| 08:42.31 | jason | anyway, I am outa herah sooah seeah yassah latahs |
| 08:42.44 | tcsetattr | the problem with tethereal is it has no verbosity levels in between "one very brief line per packet" and "HOLY SHIT THAT'S TOO MUCH SCROLLING" |
| 08:42.45 | PinkBunny | hum....have a question, I have done security updates on one of machine in my network, and then used apt-move to make a mirror on nfs partition that other machine can see ..... however it wont do upgrade from that mirror but goes to fetch them on internet |
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| 08:42.48 | sep | peterS, then one can atlest run it, it's a great improvement :) |
| 08:43.07 | jm_ | that's why I never use tethereal, I use tcpdump to write it to a file then read it in ethereal |
| 08:43.24 | PinkBunny | I added the location to apt sources and stuff |
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| 08:44.53 | umbop | hey guys, i dont suppose anyone here could explain what exactly a resource limit is, i.e. a 2gb resource limit? |
| 08:45.19 | peterS | beat google with a lead | |
| 08:45.27 | tcsetattr | ethereal for analyzing packet dump files, OK, but for making captures it steps way over the "don't run X programs as root" line, then turns around and spits in your face from the other side of the line and dares you do DO something about it. |
| 08:46.01 | xin | hi, i've somehow managed to break my php mod and apache2 configuration, can anyone help? |
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| 08:46.16 | xin | it does parse php files anymore, instead when itry view one my browser asks me to download it! |
| 08:46.20 | tcsetattr | umbop, resource limits are a way to prevent a single process (or a single user) from using up all the RAM, swap, CPU cycles, file descriptors... (etc)... of the system |
| 08:46.36 | umbop | ahh |
| 08:47.11 | umbop | because i have a system where when a log reaches 2gb, it basically goes a bit wrong, and the program logging to it doesn't work, unless i remove the log, and it starts again, and i looked it up, and it said it's due to a 2gb resource limit |
| 08:47.29 | tcsetattr | umbop, if you type "limit" or "ulimit -a" you should get a list of available limits. Each one has a soft and hard limit. The user can raise or lower the soft limit himself, but only root can raise the hard limit. |
| 08:47.36 | sep | umbop, use logrotate |
| 08:48.02 | sgeigerbot | Does someone know a command to do a multicast version of 'dd if=/dev/hda | ssh root@remote "dd of=/dev/hda"' ? |
| 08:48.08 | tcsetattr | maximum file size is one of the resource limits, but also 2G is a limit imposed by the capabilities of some older kernels and/or libcs |
| 08:48.25 | tcsetattr | and yeah, 2G log file? that's too much! |
| 08:48.27 | peterS | sgeigerbot: I don't think open source has come up with a solution to that problem yet |
| 08:48.36 | peterS | sgeigerbot: maybe just buy norton ghost? (: |
| 08:48.39 | umbop | thanks :) that makes sense |
| 08:48.48 | umbop | yeh it is too much i've already changed hte logratate now |
| 08:48.51 | tcsetattr | sgeigerbot, it's not actually multicast but look at dsh |
| 08:48.57 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I own it...but I don't really want to use ghost. |
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| 08:49.15 | tcsetattr | if it were truly multicast, that would kick ass. But reliable multicast transfer is hard, you have to reinvent TCP and it's more complicated. |
| 08:49.17 | sgeigerbot | tcsetattr: I know about dsh. I don't think that would work. |
| 08:49.34 | alkalineX | GOOGLE IS EVIL!! entering 666 pipe characters, is fine, but when you add one more (667) it throws a bad request error |
| 08:49.43 | sgeigerbot | tcsetattr: I see what you are doing. ...no it needs to be multicast or else it won't save me time. |
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| 08:49.56 | sep | sgeigerbot, replace mp3 files with dd images in a icecast server ? ;) |
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| 08:50.11 | crispynix-v6 | sgeigerbot: bash# for box in ... do ... done ;^) |
| 08:50.16 | tcsetattr | file transfers over multicast? how would you handle ACKs? |
| 08:50.26 | sgeigerbot | crispynix-v6: do you know what multicasting is? |
| 08:50.26 | peterS | crispynix-v6: he's interested in saving network bandwidth, he knows how to script this already |
| 08:50.31 | groton | i have problems wiht my application crashing, cause i remìcompiled all with gcc3.4+std6, but the gtkmm libs i still have installed were compiled with gcc3.3+stdc5. how is this handled in debian? could i find a gtkmm package compiled with stdc6? where? |
| 08:50.38 | crispynix-v6 | sgeigerbot: it was a joke, hence the winking smiley |
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| 08:51.05 | tcsetattr | sgeigerbot, "apt-cache search multicast tftp" turns up something |
| 08:51.08 | peterS | tcsetattr: norton ghost does it. I guess client each indicate to the server what bits they've got and what bits they haven't. the server sends out whatever bits the most people need, and somehow makes sure all clients get the whole image eventually |
| 08:51.14 | sgeigerbot | tcsetattr: thanks |
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| 08:52.22 | tcsetattr | atftpd... I have no idea how that can work but at least it shows someone has done something like it before |
| 08:52.49 | tcsetattr | "Atftpd also supports multicast protocol known as mtftp, defined in the PXE specification." -- OK, hard drive images are sort of like netboot images. But bigger. |
| 08:52.51 | peterS | right, since tftp uses udp, it at least has the *possibility* of using multicast |
| 08:53.19 | sgeigerbot | peterS: apt-cache show aftpd mentions multicasting. |
| 08:53.43 | sgeigerbot | peterS: actually, I think systemimager can do it, too. |
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| 08:53.59 | Capkirk | trying to compile sourcepackage downloaded with apt-get source <packagename>; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b now i want to know how to clean up configfiles and such so i can compile again? |
| 08:54.02 | crispynix-v6 | trusting data integrity to UDP ... kinda scary imo. |
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| 08:54.21 | peterS | tcsetattr: depends how often they each want an image (like how often they each boot, or whatever), on average |
| 08:54.32 | peterS | and on the size of the image, relative to that |
| 08:55.01 | sep | tcsetattr, for the occasional reinstall not very, for reimaging wour computerpark every night it's almost a must. |
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| 08:55.11 | peterS | ...hence, how much temporal overlap there is in the bits needing to be distributed |
| 08:55.59 | sgeigerbot | peterS: are you talking to me? |
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| 08:56.18 | peterS | sgeigerbot: answering tcsetattr's musing about how many clients you need for multicast to actually help |
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| 08:57.13 | peterS | the other thing I'm doing is going to bed. shoulda an hour ago. |
| 08:57.16 | dob1 | hi |
| 08:57.52 | dob1 | the daemontools can only be used for qmail or djbdns or for any program? |
| 08:57.53 | nite613 | How do I get back the dialog based configuration screns that I see when I install a package, for example exim |
| 08:58.01 | sandman | Has anyone here gotten a WPC11 v.4 card to work under linux? I've tried to follow the various instructions online, but with 0 success |
| 08:58.14 | tcsetattr | dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 08:58.22 | nite613 | tcsetattr: does nothing |
| 08:58.42 | Zugschlus | exim is not debconf driven |
| 08:58.43 | Zugschlus | exim4 is |
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| 08:58.50 | nite613 | I'm actually using exim4 |
| 08:58.53 | tcsetattr | well, not all packages use the dpkg-reconfigure framework |
| 08:58.57 | Zugschlus | dpkg-recongigure exim4-config |
| 08:58.58 | sep | nite613, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 08:58.58 | tcsetattr | dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim4 ? |
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| 09:01.07 | Guerin | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 09:01.19 | nite613 | exim4-config works, thanks |
| 09:01.30 | Morrowyn | morning |
| 09:01.49 | jm_ | it's also documented |
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| 09:02.16 | jm_ | but we know what was said about reading Exim docs on planet.debian ;) |
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| 09:02.39 | fosco | hi |
| 09:02.52 | Zugschlus | jm_: well, you might want to read the docs |
| 09:02.57 | Zugschlus | *gd&r* |
| 09:03.02 | fosco | anyone have an howto for mdadm? |
| 09:03.09 | PinkBunny | I did security upgrade on one of my computers, then exported all stuff with apt-move and made a local mirror on nfs partition of other computer, then set that one up in its apt sources but bastard wont do security upgrade from it but insists on downloading it all from internet again |
| 09:03.12 | Zugschlus | fosco: mdadm has a man page |
| 09:03.16 | PinkBunny | apparently problem is that it doesnt use normal mirrors for security upgrades |
| 09:03.20 | PinkBunny | how do I make a local security upgrade mirror then? |
| 09:03.23 | fosco | Zugschlus: and? |
| 09:03.34 | Zugschlus | fosco: did you read that? |
| 09:03.38 | Guerin | PinkBunny: fix your sources.list |
| 09:03.41 | fosco | Zugschlus: can you campares that to the raid-how-to ? |
| 09:03.41 | streuner | Zugschlus: Doesn't all packages have docs? :-) |
| 09:03.54 | PinkBunny | Guerin: fix it in what way? |
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| 09:04.03 | fosco | Zugschlus: using raidtools2, afaik the standard |
| 09:04.03 | nite613 | When in dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and tell it not to break the config up into small files it doesn't actually create a monolithic configfile :( |
| 09:04.07 | PinkBunny | I already have my local mirror in it |
| 09:04.11 | Guerin | PinkBunny: since I don't know in what way it's broken, i can't rightly answer. |
| 09:04.21 | fosco | Zugschlus: and yes I have read it |
| 09:04.26 | Zugschlus | nite613: now, you have to read the docs. |
| 09:04.32 | Zugschlus | (and _that_ is not a joke) |
| 09:04.48 | PinkBunny | its ot broken, it has my local mirror and security mirror in it |
| 09:04.52 | Guerin | PinkBunny: read man sources.list and man apt_preferences; look at the output of apt-cache policy |
| 09:05.00 | tcsetattr | PinkBunny, have you considered apt-proxy? |
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| 09:05.15 | Guerin | PinkBunny: if it weren't broken, it'd work, wouldn't it? |
| 09:05.33 | Zugschlus | fosco: with your raidtools knowledge, it should be possible to transfer your knowledge to mdadm. It's really not that much different, but less quirky |
| 09:05.47 | PinkBunny | nope it wouldnt, since it doesnt use normal mirror for security upgrade |
| 09:05.58 | PinkBunny | it uses security one |
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| 09:06.05 | fosco | Zugschlus: juste 100% different tools ;) |
| 09:06.08 | PinkBunny | and I made a normal local mirror |
| 09:06.13 | fosco | at kernel level nothing changed yes |
| 09:06.18 | Guerin | PinkBunny: in what way is s.d.o abnormal? |
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| 09:06.44 | Guerin | PinkBunny: short answer: It doesn't work how you want it to because you haven't got it set up correctly. |
| 09:06.52 | Guerin | PinkBunny: there really is only one cure for that. |
| 09:07.04 | PinkBunny | Guerin: thats universal answer to every computer related question |
| 09:07.05 | Kempston_ | what are avaliable ways to repair reiserfs superblock ? |
| 09:07.08 | Zugschlus | fosco: both are only a front-end for the same kernel functionality |
| 09:07.10 | Guerin | PinkBunny: nope. |
| 09:07.26 | Guerin | PinkBunny: you've been told where to find your answer. Go find it. |
| 09:07.34 | Zugschlus | fosco: but if you want an answer to your quest: No, I am not aware of any mdadm-specific HOWTO. |
| 09:07.41 | Zugschlus | hth, hand. |
| 09:07.58 | Guerin | Kempston_: probably restoring from backups. AIUI reiser's tools are worse than useless. |
| 09:08.02 | tcsetattr | if you use apt-proxy, you don't have to worry about keeping a mirror up to date. It just mirrors things as needed. and it comes with a sample config that includes security |
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| 09:08.14 | Shadur | Guerin: That bad? |
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| 09:08.34 | Kempston_ | Guerin what filesyst5em do you suggest to use in future? |
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| 09:08.42 | PinkBunny | tcsetattr: will check it out |
| 09:08.51 | Guerin | Shadur: so my sources tell me. I've only used reiser4, and haven't had need to fix it yet. |
| 09:08.54 | Guerin | Kempston_: ext3 |
| 09:09.10 | Guerin | if you haven't got an extremely good reason to use another filesystem, use ext3 |
| 09:09.24 | tcsetattr | in the future, Kempston? <Kempston> Yes, all the way in the year 2000! <LaBamba> IN THE YEAR TWO THOUSAANNDD... |
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| 09:09.51 | tcsetattr | oh, for future filesystems I think I will really like ext4. ext5 will probably suck though. |
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| 09:10.32 | streuner | Guerin: Past Tense? |
| 09:10.48 | streuner | Guerin: (so you don't use ReiserFS anymore) |
| 09:10.49 | Guerin | streuner: ? |
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| 09:11.05 | Guerin | streuner: oh, i use reiser4 on my work machine, which is expendable. |
| 09:11.18 | tcsetattr | then a few years later, Microsoft buys Redhat, claims the right to the "extN" naming scheme based on ext2/ext3 development having been funded through them, and ext6 is NTFS. |
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| 09:11.35 | BriajWrk | hi all |
| 09:11.35 | Guerin | tcsetattr: heh |
| 09:11.45 | Guerin | tcsetattr: which, by then, is even more obsolete than it is now |
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| 09:11.58 | tcsetattr | is this thing on? |
| 09:12.27 | EdLin | I don't think Microsoft could design a decent file system if someone gave them $30 billion dollars. (Wait a minute, they already have that.) |
| 09:12.54 | Guerin | EdLin: NTFS is supposedly really good - it's just unusable by !MS products |
| 09:13.02 | fireba11 | Guerin: don't know much about how good/bad NTFS is .. only know that is a lot better than FAT32 ^^ how good is it compared to f.ex. ext3 ? |
| 09:13.08 | Guerin | now if they'd only document it ... |
| 09:13.14 | EdLin | Guerin: NTFS needs to be defragmented. |
| 09:13.15 | kobe | hi there |
| 09:13.17 | Starf^Work | Guerin, what you got to backup the unstable comment? |
| 09:13.21 | Guerin | fireba11: i don't know, really. |
| 09:13.28 | Guerin | Starf^Work: eh? |
| 09:13.34 | Starf^Work | meh |
| 09:13.38 | Starf^Work | #unusuable even |
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| 09:13.58 | Starf^Work | or have i got the wrong of the proverbial stick here |
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| 09:14.16 | Guerin | Starf^Work: oh, ntfs? Let me know when there's functional and reliable ntfs write support in free software. |
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| 09:15.07 | Guerin | EdLin: that's pretty ugly in this D&A |
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| 09:15.45 | Kempston_ | isn't superblock backed up in many palces ofthe disk ? |
| 09:15.55 | Kempston_ | how do i restore one of this backups ? |
| 09:16.18 | sep | EdLin, actualy you can get 3rd party defragmenters that suposedly does a better job at it then m$ tools.. dont know the how valid it is tho but... |
| 09:16.19 | EdLin | Guerin: NTFS's implementation in Windows is so bad that it benchmarks slower than FAT32. |
| 09:16.28 | tcsetattr | the fsck program should have an option to read a backup superblock |
| 09:16.29 | Guerin | Kempston_: ask a reiserfs mailing list, or in some distro-channel who uses ricer by default - gentoo or suse come to mind. |
| 09:16.40 | EdLin | sep: while Linux file systems don't need defragging at all. |
| 09:16.56 | sake_ | disk1 of isos should be fine for installation? |
| 09:17.00 | jerome | good morning all. I'm using linux2.6 and used to call cdrecord with "dev=/dev/hdc". As it is not supported anymore, I'm trying to find the virtual scsi ID of my /dev/hdc with "cdrecord dev=(ATA|ATAPI): -scanbus". With ATAPI, it doesn't return anything, with ATA: it stucks to scanning /dev/hda and exit with echoing anything about /dev/hdc. I'm using ide-scsi on my DVD driver (not dvdrw) for convenience with grip. Any idea about how to guess the scsi id of hdc |
| 09:17.04 | Guerin | EdLin: well, fat32 has the advantage of not being journalled and having practically no metadata to speak of, so it's understandably not slow. |
| 09:17.05 | jm_ | Kempston_: it is if you use ext[23] |
| 09:17.07 | inc|freaky | hi all im trying to run kate it says: kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed. --> KDE: 3.4.2 --> Kate: 2.4.1 |
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| 09:17.45 | Guerin | !info kdelibs4 sid |
| 09:17.53 | jm_ | jerome: do not use ide-scsi with 2.6 kernel |
| 09:17.53 | Guerin | !info kdelibs sid |
| 09:17.56 | dpkg | kdelibs: (core libraries from the official KDE release), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
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| 09:18.03 | jerome | jm_: I don't use it for the writer |
| 09:18.04 | Guerin | huh, it's in sid already |
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| 09:18.10 | patmos | hi |
| 09:18.12 | patmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.14 | jerome | jm_: the writer is handled by ide-cd |
| 09:18.15 | jm_ | jerome: it doesn't matter, don't use it |
| 09:18.22 | Guerin | inc|freaky: you're using sid, check the BTS, ask in #debian-kde |
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| 09:18.25 | Starf^Work | can any other fs be used on windows products, as i remember with Workbench 3.1 I removed the standard amiga file system and used a third party one |
| 09:18.31 | Guerin | patmos: rename |
| 09:18.48 | jerome | jm_: ok, I'll try to unload it and check cdrecord. |
| 09:18.49 | inc|freaky | tjx |
| 09:18.50 | inc|freaky | thx |
| 09:19.03 | EdLin | Starf^Work: Windows has a program to read ext2 (and ext3) file systems. Not use them though. |
| 09:19.17 | EdLin | Starf^Work: (3rd party) |
| 09:19.26 | Guerin | EdLin: really? in windows itself, or a third-party hack-job? |
| 09:19.30 | Guerin | oh |
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| 09:19.42 | patmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.57 | sep | EdLin, i'v treid 2 of those programs it very very badly, (> 14 months ago tho) |
| 09:19.59 | Guerin | patmos: 160,000 files will take you a long time using anything |
| 09:20.04 | Starf^Work | how well (if it were possible) would windows run on ext3? |
| 09:20.11 | Guerin | Starf^Work: impossible |
| 09:20.15 | EdLin | Guerin: I think it's called "ext2 explorer" or something. I don't know more than that since I don't have Windows on this computer. |
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| 09:20.19 | Guerin | Starf^Work: and thus impossible to tell |
| 09:20.32 | jm_ | ext2ifs is pretty nice for Windows |
| 09:20.33 | sep | explore2fs ?? iirc |
| 09:21.04 | nandan | hi i hav downloaded jdk from sun how to install java now? |
| 09:21.06 | tcsetattr | renaming 160,000 files is the kind of thing that will only be fast if you're using reiserfs :) |
| 09:21.13 | Guerin | !topicbadger nandan |
| 09:21.15 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that nandan didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 09:21.26 | fireba11 | nandan: pretty easy |
| 09:21.47 | fireba11 | nandan: just unpack and set JAVA_HOME variable with path to the dir |
| 09:21.59 | EdLin | fireba11: that's not the best way to install it. |
| 09:22.03 | nandan | dpkg, i read the topic i created java-package also |
| 09:22.29 | fireba11 | EdLin: is there another ? that's what my docu for a product said that requires java ^^ |
| 09:22.32 | sep | nandan, install the created .deb |
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| 09:22.38 | sep | !tell fireball about java |
| 09:22.49 | EdLin | fireba11: use java-package and create a deb. |
| 09:22.51 | nandan | sep .deb is not yet created |
| 09:23.03 | nandan | whn i tried make=jpkg i got some warning |
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| 09:23.09 | sake_ | will only first official iso be enough for basic debian install? |
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| 09:23.13 | CanDoo | good morning |
| 09:23.16 | EdLin | sake_: yes |
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| 09:23.20 | sake_ | thanks. |
| 09:23.24 | useE1RF3QRF | E2WQTFE3 |
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| 09:23.40 | fireba11 | sake_: you should considder using netinstall CD though |
| 09:23.44 | sep | nandan, you want us to punch the error messaage out of you ?? |
| 09:23.45 | useE1RF3QRF | HYY ERA |
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| 09:23.52 | sep | nandan, your not making it easy to help you ! |
| 09:23.55 | useE1RF3QRF | U OK |
| 09:23.56 | sake_ | fireba11: where can I obtain that? |
| 09:24.03 | streuner | useE1RF3QRF: stop that |
| 09:24.06 | useE1RF3QRF | IM HERE 2 TAKE CARE U |
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| 09:24.12 | streuner | useE1RF3QRF: are you a bot? |
| 09:24.18 | CanDoo | i have a bet of a quesiton. i'm setting up tun/tap and have installed the modules for tun and netlink_dev and configured the device and set it to persistant with tunctl, the problem is even though it answers pings fro the local host any outside hosts prining the device and the local pings show as dropped packets |
| 09:24.19 | EdLin | nandan: did you execute make-jpkg with fakeroot? |
| 09:24.20 | sep | !ops useE1RF3QRF beeing an ass |
| 09:24.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: useE1RF3QRF beeing an ass |
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| 09:24.41 | fireba11 | sake_: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 09:24.48 | CanDoo | and the device does nto funciotn for passing packets from a guest os running in an emulator set to use the tap tunnel as a device |
| 09:24.48 | useE1RF3QRF | IN THIS ROOM DONT HAV GIRLS |
| 09:24.50 | sake_ | thanks fireba11. |
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| 09:25.02 | fireba11 | sake_: you're welcome |
| 09:25.05 | nandan | i got some warning tht java bin will manipulte some /etc configuration |
| 09:25.08 | tcsetattr | useE1RF3QRF, is "HYY ERA" the license plate number of the car that hit you and left you so very sadly brain damaged? |
| 09:25.15 | fireba11 | !confuse useE1RF3QRF |
| 09:25.16 | dpkg | Yes, who was your pineapple tomorrow, useE1RF3QRF? pants of the democracy of tahiti with extra ham |
| 09:25.28 | Capkirk | what is it one can write to get wider COLUM when doing dpkg -l? Export COLUMN=200 does not work? |
| 09:25.36 | tcsetattr | capkirk it's COLUMNS |
| 09:25.43 | Capkirk | tcsetattr: ah :) |
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| 09:25.51 | nandan | EdLin, no |
| 09:25.51 | streuner | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l foo |
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| 09:25.54 | CanDoo | if anything can help. thank you in advance |
| 09:25.58 | nandan | EdLin, as real root |
| 09:26.07 | EdLin | nandan: well, make-jpkg is meant to be run with fakeroot. |
| 09:26.32 | EdLin | nandan: you use root only to install the deb |
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| 09:26.58 | nandan | EdLin, so what i have to do |
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| 09:27.17 | EdLin | nandan: /msg dpkg java and follow the instructions the bot tells you. |
| 09:27.43 | cpop | solution to using pgup/pgdown in console: edit /etc/inputrc and uncomment the \e[5~ and \e[6~ keybindings |
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| 09:28.12 | get-apt | z |
| 09:28.14 | get-apt | y |
| 09:28.35 | cpop | the ones for beginning and end of history, because there's an alternate binding for search |
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| 09:29.29 | det | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/kevin27/pic4b.jpg |
| 09:29.33 | det | Does anyone know hwo this is? |
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| 09:30.17 | streuner | det: why do you ask *this* question here? |
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| 09:30.57 | nandan | EdLin, as a fake root i ran command but does sun charges for me if i install ? |
| 09:31.31 | EdLin | nandan: no. |
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| 09:34.41 | sep | is there a debian way of configuring spf checking in debian's postfix |
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| 09:35.53 | Guerin | sep: i don't believe so |
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| 09:38.28 | sep | Guerin, if a package depends on a piece of software from CPAN, would a DD usualy script the CPAN install, or make a package of the piece also? |
| 09:38.46 | Guerin | sep: usually make a package for it. |
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| 09:39.01 | sep | Guerin, thanks |
| 09:39.05 | Guerin | sep: cpan is strictly for perl modules which aren't packaged in debian already |
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| 09:39.24 | sep | and search as usual for prepacked stuff first then |
| 09:39.37 | sep | Mail::SPF::Query spesificaly |
| 09:39.57 | jm_ | you can always try using dh-make-perl |
| 09:40.02 | EdLin | sep: you can use dh-make-perl |
| 09:40.08 | sep | libmail-spf-query-perl ? sounds about sane ? |
| 09:40.10 | EdLin | jm_: GMTA |
| 09:40.20 | Guerin | you should NEVER install perl modules using naked CPAN |
| 09:40.23 | jm_ | sounds about right ;) |
| 09:40.25 | Guerin | always use dh-make-perl |
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| 09:40.42 | tcsetattr | yeah, never install things the way the author intended. It's too easy. |
| 09:40.48 | sep | thanks, i want to keep everything packaged |
| 09:40.56 | jm_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.36 | sep | there is also a package spfqtool, no mta's use this directly ? |
| 09:41.43 | Guerin | tcsetattr: fine if you're using slackware. |
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| 09:41.51 | Jacky^ | hello |
| 09:42.04 | bisquit | Is there, and if yes what it be, a way to start X on graphic card #2 without any console-interference? I'm trying to daemonize (crontab @reboot) it.. it's for my wallmounted TFT you see. |
| 09:42.04 | Jacky^ | is it possible to install skype on Sid ? |
| 09:42.10 | EdLin | tcsetattr: if you do it the Debian way, upgrades and removals should Just Work. Otherwise the "just workedness" of Debian will be reduced, whether the person who wrote it allegedly prefers naked CPAN or not. |
| 09:42.36 | Guerin | Jacky^: anything's possible |
| 09:42.40 | tcsetattr | why do Debian people like to diverge SO MUCH from upstream authors' intentions? it's like you're offended by the idea of using something the way it was meant to be used |
| 09:42.49 | Guerin | Jacky^: skype is not in debian - check skype.com |
| 09:42.50 | Jacky^ | i get dipendence problem with libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) |
| 09:42.50 | sep | i intended to make a package for the http://spf.pobox.com/postfix-policyd.txt script. but if it's already done in a saner way eg service policy check again something already in debian that would be saner |
| 09:42.51 | jm_ | bisquit: you can tell it which card to use, but you won't be able to not change console mode |
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| 09:43.05 | Jacky^ | oh ..ok thanks |
| 09:43.06 | bisquit | Manually I can start X on it no problem, but then the display on graphic card #1 goes blank.. (unless I've mapped the X to use both) ... And when I "switch back" to the login prompt on graphics #1, the #2 goes blank again, because the X there "loses focus" or something... |
| 09:43.10 | EdLin | tcsetattr: I don't think upstream authors "intend" their modules to be installed only by -m CPAN |
| 09:43.17 | bisquit | jm_, yeah, that's my dilemma :) |
| 09:43.19 | Guerin | tcsetattr: why should some software be covered by debian package management, and some not? |
| 09:43.28 | low_lo | does debian detect wireless keyboard+mouse set during installation ? |
| 09:43.34 | Jacky^ | Guerin: strangely apt show skype and skype-avatar.. |
| 09:43.37 | low_lo | on a mac mini |
| 09:43.39 | Jacky^ | i'm using Sid |
| 09:43.50 | Guerin | !info skype sid |
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| 09:44.05 | wired_ | bisquit, I have the same problem on with my multi monitor setup |
| 09:44.07 | petemc | low_lo: isnt the support for that built into firmware in the mini? |
| 09:44.09 | Guerin | Jacky^: no you aren't |
| 09:44.20 | streuner | Guerin: /msg dpkg skype |
| 09:44.26 | Guerin | !skype |
| 09:44.27 | dpkg | skype is, like, a non-free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols |
| 09:44.36 | Jacky^ | Guerin: ok, i will try the deb from skype website |
| 09:44.36 | tcsetattr | every piece of software comes with instructions for building it, and the #debian crowd is always telling people to disregard the instructions. Well I beleive in following instructions... |
| 09:44.39 | Guerin | streuner: yeah, because I don't know that. |
| 09:44.49 | Jacky^ | thanks |
| 09:45.00 | streuner | Guerin: well, eBay bought skype |
| 09:45.14 | EdLin | tcsetattr: it amazes me that a Perl user like you doesn't believe in TMDOWTDI |
| 09:45.15 | wired_ | tcsetattr, you follow instructions? |
| 09:45.17 | tcsetattr | maybe the person who wrote the software you want also has a clue about how it should be built |
| 09:45.28 | Guerin | tcsetattr: as i said: those instructions work fine if you run slackware... or something else without meaningful package management. |
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| 09:45.58 | bisquit | wired_ - I was and am totally able to put my "news chan" (brower) on the wall-mounted TFT, no problem.. while doing something on the X in display #1... but as soon as swich console again.. poof, my "news chan" goes with it. Kinda not what I was looking for :) |
| 09:46.07 | Guerin | tcsetattr: and it's not as if dh-make-perl does anything different from cpan - just wraps a .deb around it for great justice. |
| 09:46.18 | Jacky^ | Guerin: samte error:\ it seem wont install on Sid updated, skype depend on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3.2) |
| 09:46.32 | Guerin | Jacky^: tough titty, i suppose. |
| 09:46.36 | bisquit | I mean, if I had another set of keyb&mouse, I should be able to set two Xs on two cards run separately no matter what the "other" console is doing, right? :) |
| 09:46.47 | Fleck | hi all, is there some mp3 cuter app? i need to cut some peace of music out of one mp3 file |
| 09:46.51 | tcsetattr | just pointless wrapping of things, so everything can be slightly different on Debian than it is in the rest of the universe |
| 09:46.54 | Guerin | !info libqt3c102-mt sid |
| 09:47.23 | wired_ | bisquit, I don't know but i'd like to try it |
| 09:47.31 | Guerin | Jacky^: that package isn't in debian; so unsurprisingly, that package is broken. Complain to skype. |
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| 09:47.42 | tcsetattr | mpg123 -w to make it a wav and then chop that up |
| 09:47.52 | sgeigerbot | peterS: apt-cache show udpcast |
| 09:47.53 | EdLin | tcsetattr: s/different/better/ |
| 09:47.58 | Guerin | tcsetattr: and then re-encode it, for double the lossage? |
| 09:48.29 | wireddd | ok so can you run two seperate Xs on two seperate video cards at the same time on one system? |
| 09:48.31 | Guerin | Fleck: i don't know of a no-decode mp3 cutter, but something like audacity might be a start. |
| 09:48.48 | Guerin | wireddd: you can run two different X servers on ONE card on the same system. |
| 09:48.53 | Fleck | danke |
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| 09:49.11 | tcsetattr | well, you have to re-encode anyway unless by some coincidence you're cutting on the boundary between MPEG packets. |
| 09:49.19 | wireddd | so you can run two on two different cards then correct? |
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| 09:49.37 | Guerin | tcsetattr: there are some utilities which do - I don't know of any on debian, though. |
| 09:49.40 | Guerin | wireddd: sure. |
| 09:49.43 | jm_ | bisquit: you should be able to, but you can't ;) |
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| 09:50.22 | Eclipser | umhum |
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| 09:50.38 | wireddd | how would you go about configureing somehting like that? |
| 09:50.55 | Eclipser | I have backed up /etc, how would I restore a users password?-p |
| 09:50.55 | wireddd | man I can't type today |
| 09:51.33 | Guerin | Eclipser: eh? |
| 09:51.34 | bisquit | Hmm, indeed. |
| 09:51.50 | pepsi_ | hi! I have run into a problem with my system. When I am about to install a program aptitude tells me that it will remove "initrd-tools" and there for also "kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386" and "kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686" :(( I dont want to remove my kernel, but I want xfig, sendmail, and some other progs :/ what to do? |
| 09:52.04 | sep | Eclipser, hy not just set a new one |
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| 09:52.19 | Eclipser | sep, where's the fun in that |
| 09:52.34 | Fleck | Guerin woah that tool rocks :) |
| 09:52.49 | Fleck | something like WaveLab on Windooze |
| 09:53.00 | sep | Eclipser, well if you must, you can run a dictionary attach on your /etc/shadow file |
| 09:53.16 | sep | Eclipser, have fun :) |
| 09:53.36 | Eclipser | :) |
| 09:53.56 | sep | Eclipser, the crack package includes one |
| 09:54.06 | Guerin | john |
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| 09:54.28 | sep | Eclipser, but seriously ! just set a new one.. |
| 09:54.39 | tcsetattr | uh, he just asked how to restore a user from backup... copy the relevant line from the backed-up passwd and shadow files. |
| 09:54.46 | Guerin | well, yeah |
| 09:54.51 | Guerin | that'd be the simple way |
| 09:54.55 | tcsetattr | when did that become a question about cracking? |
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| 09:55.32 | The_ritz | hi |
| 09:55.41 | sep | tcsetattr, he said restore a users password, ie the user forgot his password, how would copy back the shadow line halp in that ? |
| 09:55.51 | Guerin | wtf |
| 09:55.52 | The_ritz | anyone has been using Razor with spamassassin here? |
| 09:55.55 | tcsetattr | he said he has a backup of /etc |
| 09:55.59 | Guerin | sep: how did you interpret that? |
| 09:56.06 | Guerin | !anyone use razor |
| 09:56.06 | dpkg | No, no one uses razor, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:56.07 | tcsetattr | apparently I was the only one paying attention |
| 09:56.19 | Eclipser | tcsetattr, yeah thanks |
| 09:56.35 | The_ritz | i submitted a spam using razor-report -- it submitted the signature to server successfully |
| 09:56.48 | sep | tcsetattr, i guess i just misinterpreted his request |
| 09:56.59 | tcsetattr | the second field in /etc/shadow is the encrypted password. Copy that. (everything between the first and second colons) |
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| 09:57.09 | The_ritz | how do i know when it has added that signature actually to its DB...or how do they ACTUALLY evaluate that its a spam mail- do i get a confirmation? |
| 09:57.19 | davis | i have a audio cd which I would like to rip into mp3's. which app should I use? |
| 09:57.27 | Guerin | !htfswk The_ritz |
| 09:57.27 | dpkg | The_ritz: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 09:57.32 | jm_ | davis: abcde |
| 09:57.47 | pepsi_ | Can I upgrade initrd-tools w/o touble? (aptitude tells me that kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 and kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 will be removed!) |
| 09:57.52 | davis | jm_: thanks |
| 09:58.14 | Guerin | pepsi_: you probably want to install a new kernel first |
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| 09:58.23 | Guerin | pepsi_: and make sure it works |
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| 09:58.34 | Guerin | pepsi_: and hope that apt doesn't want to remove that too |
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| 09:59.03 | pepsi_ | Guerin: okey.. and which one would I like to choose? uname -r currently gives 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 09:59.24 | Guerin | pepsi_: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 09:59.47 | pepsi_ | Guerin: ok. thx |
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| 10:00.44 | pepsi_ | Guerin: oo. remember doing this like a month ago.. Don't I have to do something with my kernel-headers? |
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| 10:00.54 | The_ritz | thanks for the co-operation |
| 10:00.55 | The_ritz | bye |
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| 10:01.18 | RoyK | i |
| 10:01.19 | Guerin | pepsi_: not unless you need to build additional modules or something |
| 10:01.21 | RoyK | hi |
| 10:01.32 | pepsi_ | Guerin: hm. okey |
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| 10:02.34 | RoyK | i have a sarge system running lots of stuff, including mantis. however, apt/dpkg beleives mantis isn't correctly configured, and keeps asking me stupid questions whenever I do an apt-get. anyone here that knows how I can remove mantis from the dpkg database while keeping the files etc? |
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| 10:04.28 | Guerin | RoyK: apt-get -f install; do anything? |
| 10:04.56 | Guerin | dpkc --configure mantis; might also be worthwhile |
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| 10:05.43 | beardy | !info mantis sarge |
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| 10:06.23 | davi__ | What apache module have I to install to enable the RewriteRule command? |
| 10:06.42 | Guerin | davi__: libapache_mod_rewrite, bizarrely |
| 10:06.44 | jm_ | it's always installed |
| 10:06.49 | Guerin | davi__: libapache-mod-rewrite, bizarrely |
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| 10:06.59 | scanwinder | is there a command to list all the modules that are loaded? |
| 10:07.05 | CAiRO | hi |
| 10:07.09 | shingouz_ | lsmod |
| 10:07.12 | beardy | scanwinder: lsmod |
| 10:07.12 | scanwinder | thanks |
| 10:07.24 | liable | dpkg: wake up! |
| 10:07.24 | dpkg | liable: I'm already awake! :) |
| 10:07.31 | davi__ | thanks |
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| 10:07.38 | jm_ | gur;bizarrely mod_rewrite is always installed ;) |
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| 10:07.41 | fireba11 | davi__: you only need to enable it |
| 10:07.42 | jm_ | can't type |
| 10:07.45 | Hagarke | hi all, if a package for debian is not compiled the way i like it to be compiled, should i recompile, repackage and keep the package, or is there a possibility to fork packages ? I had the problem with Amarok, which comes with settings opposite to what I like (mysql, sqllite). Recompiling this changes the dependencies for that package drastically |
| 10:07.47 | Guerin | jm_: it is? |
| 10:07.48 | get-apt | is there a redhat IRC channelk |
| 10:07.53 | jm_ | Guerin: yah, in -common |
| 10:07.57 | Guerin | get-apt: #redhat, bizarrely |
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| 10:08.02 | beardy | get-apt: #redhat |
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| 10:08.05 | get-apt | on what server |
| 10:08.06 | Guerin | jm_: oh, interesting. Has that always been so? |
| 10:08.12 | Guerin | get-apt: freenode |
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| 10:08.15 | beardy | get-apt: fscking try this one? |
| 10:08.19 | CAiRO | i'm trying to find out the biggest directories in my home dir, how would i do that? i've tried with du --max-depth 1 -h but then it's not sorted by size and if you have like 300 directories, it gets very mesy |
| 10:08.22 | Novalis | hi... big problem -- i did a chown -R root.root .* in /root |
| 10:08.24 | get-apt | fscking? |
| 10:08.25 | jm_ | Guerin: certainly so for Woody and Sarge |
| 10:08.33 | get-apt | man you need to start using windows |
| 10:08.38 | jm_ | CAiRO: du -sk * .*|sort -n |
| 10:08.43 | Guerin | CAiRO: du --max-depth 1 |sort -n |
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| 10:08.52 | Novalis | anybody who can tell me how to roll this back to original chown-values? |
| 10:08.54 | beardy | *plonk* |
| 10:08.57 | Ronin | too early for trolls get-apt |
| 10:08.59 | Guerin | or sort -rn if you want biggest at the top |
| 10:08.59 | sep | CAiRO, du -sh ~/* |
| 10:08.59 | shingouz_ | get-apt: fscking is kinda like fluck in doze |
| 10:09.12 | get-apt | um |
| 10:09.14 | get-apt | Ronin = Matt? |
| 10:09.18 | jm_ | -h makes it hard to sort on |
| 10:09.19 | Guerin | fsck is the stupidest cuss word there is |
| 10:09.25 | shingouz_ | true |
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| 10:09.31 | Guerin | jm_: s/hard/impossible/ |
| 10:09.37 | beardy | fuck it then |
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| 10:09.58 | Ronin | now thats how to do it beardy, dont hide it by misspellings :) |
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| 10:10.25 | freakymomma | # jnylinux |
| 10:10.26 | Guerin | tld, even |
| 10:10.28 | Novalis | please... this is important :-) |
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| 10:10.33 | CanDoo | has anyone here setup a tap tunnel? |
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| 10:10.38 | davi__ | thanks fireba11 |
| 10:10.39 | shingoki_ | Has anyone installed Zimbra on debian? |
| 10:10.40 | Guerin | Novalis: reinstall |
| 10:10.48 | Guerin | !anyone use zimbra |
| 10:10.48 | dpkg | No, no one uses zimbra, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:11.08 | berzerka | hi guys. installed cups. there is no printer model for generic postscript printers, only raw, dymo, epson, hp, okidata and zebra. is there an extra package containing ppd's or do i need to get it somewhere manually? |
| 10:11.13 | Novalis | Guerin: really :-(((( ? |
| 10:11.13 | jm_ | Guerin: it's not impossible, just that sort doesn't understand it (yet) |
| 10:11.22 | sep | jm_, true, i usualy | grep G since anything below that is not worth lookat at anyesy |
| 10:11.27 | shingoki_ | That's a great factoid :) |
| 10:11.34 | jm_ | CanDoo: yes, needed it for UML once |
| 10:11.37 | Guerin | Novalis: yes. |
| 10:11.49 | CanDoo | jm_, i'v perplexed here. my freind |
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| 10:12.27 | CanDoo | i'v installed the modules netlink_dev and tun. and i'v created the devices as none of the tap devices where created yet |
| 10:12.34 | jm_ | berzerka: there sure is Generic printer |
| 10:12.42 | CanDoo | i found out approptly that tun0 was not the device but tap0 was |
| 10:12.46 | CanDoo | so i overcame that |
| 10:12.52 | jm_ | CanDoo: don't remember the details, but it was trivial ;) |
| 10:13.01 | Novalis | Guerin: i cant do a reinstall on the whole server right now :-(((( |
| 10:13.02 | CanDoo | /dev/net/tun is there but i assuem it uses tap0....ect |
| 10:13.17 | CanDoo | jm. i feel stupid then |
| 10:13.18 | pepsi_ | Guerin: I seriously need a howto to upgrade my kernel :/ you got any? the Debian-Documentation page is huge |
| 10:13.29 | Novalis | this can't be possible to fuck up a whole server with just doing chown -R root.root .* |
| 10:13.34 | jm_ | CanDoo: maybe check UML docs, there should be examples |
| 10:13.35 | Guerin | Novalis: you're fucked, mate. |
| 10:13.38 | berzerka | jm_: it is not. i am also wondering. and neither /usr/share/cups/model nor /etc/cups/ppd contains a postscript.ppd.. |
| 10:13.41 | Guerin | Novalis: sure it can |
| 10:13.48 | Novalis | *aaaargh* |
| 10:13.55 | jm_ | berzerka: funny how I can select it then |
| 10:13.57 | Guerin | pepsi_: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 |
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| 10:14.17 | berzerka | jm_: maybe you have installed the additional package i was asking for.. |
| 10:14.28 | pepsi_ | Guerin: shouldn't I use linux-image-2.6.12-1-686? (with 686 at the end) |
| 10:14.38 | pepsi_ | Guerin: I have a p4 |
| 10:15.04 | Novalis | Guerin: no other way out ? |
| 10:15.04 | jm_ | berzerka: no, it's in the standard foomatic package |
| 10:15.09 | Novalis | fuck... |
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| 10:15.12 | Guerin | pepsi_: sure, that'd be fine. 386 is just the safe choice |
| 10:15.16 | Guerin | !reinstall |
| 10:15.16 | dpkg | well, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 10:15.18 | pabloz | msg nickserv link pabloz13 spr1nger |
| 10:15.24 | pepsi_ | Guerin: thank you.. I'll do it right away |
| 10:15.31 | Guerin | Novalis: that MIGHT work. It might not. It might just fail horribly. |
| 10:16.01 | Novalis | ok, thanks anyway |
| 10:16.06 | jm_ | pabloz: nice ;) |
| 10:16.15 | liable | pabloz: time for a new password? |
| 10:16.26 | berzerka | jm_: aha i got it. it is in the cups-pdf package. thanks for your kind help.. |
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| 10:17.12 | mgh0^ | how well supported are Canon printers under debian? |
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| 10:17.27 | pepsi_ | mgh0^: checked linuxprinting.org? |
| 10:18.00 | CanDoo | i wonder if the ethertap module is inportant |
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| 10:18.19 | berzerka | jm_: oh i just see, foomatic isnt installed at all, the model types i mentioned before are contained in the base cups package. i guess foomatic-db also contains the generic driver.. |
| 10:18.27 | jm_ | berzerka: it's a suggested package |
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| 10:19.37 | pepsi_ | Guerin: Ok, that didn't go too well: E This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Confligts/Pre-Depends loop....... E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs. |
| 10:19.53 | davi__ | Guerin, fireba11: I do not manage locate the libapache_mod_rewrite package neither at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages nor at apt-get.org ! |
| 10:20.01 | Guerin | !e2fsprogs |
| 10:20.07 | liable | pepsi_: you trying to upgrade from woody to sid/etch? |
| 10:20.11 | Guerin | BAH, why isn't there a factoid about this problem |
| 10:20.18 | Guerin | liable: sarge |
| 10:20.21 | pepsi_ | liable: I believe I currently have sarge |
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| 10:20.30 | mgh0^ | thanks for that, looks like i should be able to get mine working |
| 10:20.33 | jm_ | why isn't there a remote baseball bat to bash people running into that problem? |
| 10:20.56 | jonbchat | quick question, when doing an apt-get, how do you exclude packages automatically included by apt? |
| 10:20.57 | beardy | jm_: which problem? |
| 10:21.01 | Guerin | jm_: bat-over-ip |
| 10:21.09 | jm_ | beardy: see above (pepsi_) |
| 10:21.10 | seeeS | davi: mod_rewrite is usually with apache |
| 10:21.17 | fireba11 | davi__: why you trying that ? it should be already installed |
| 10:21.18 | pepsi_ | Guerin: ok, so have I done something really stupid? |
| 10:21.23 | Shadur | Guerin: DCC STAB protocol. :) |
| 10:21.29 | Guerin | pepsi_: no, you're just updating. |
| 10:21.45 | Guerin | pepsi_: check BTS, this is a common error in the last week or so |
| 10:21.53 | nkuttler | dpkg: e2fsprogs is http://bugs.debian.org/325834 |
| 10:21.53 | dpkg | nkuttler: okay |
| 10:21.57 | litage | if dnscache1 is in your dmz and dnscache2 is in an internal subnet, should dnscache2 query dnscache1 for external lookups (eg: google.com), or should dnscache2 go straight to the root nameservers? |
| 10:21.59 | jm_ | Guerin: btw, you can use owner match to match a process for IP accounting, but it only works in OUTPUT chain (which is OK for you I guess) |
| 10:22.15 | CanDoo | stupid bochs |
| 10:22.16 | seeeS | jonbchat, what do you mean by "exclude" |
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| 10:22.18 | liable | pepsi_: if you have sarge, why are you using apt to install 2.6.12? |
| 10:22.21 | beardy | jm_: man netkill, netkill --use-bat <adress> |
| 10:22.22 | davi__ | seeeS, fireba11: I am going to check it again |
| 10:22.37 | Guerin | jm_: that's cool. Redundant in my case, since there's only one sort of traffic going over that port. |
| 10:22.37 | CanDoo | jm_, thanks dor the help |
| 10:22.39 | CanDoo | found my issue |
| 10:22.42 | pepsi_ | liable: I bet you have a better suggestion |
| 10:22.54 | seeeS | davi__: it is in /usr/lib/apache or /usr/lib/apache2 |
| 10:22.55 | jonbchat | seeeS: apt includes udev and hal in the packages to be installed, but I dont want to install them |
| 10:23.00 | jm_ | Guerin: yeah but that won't catch everything you send out |
| 10:23.02 | Guerin | liable: HE IS |
| 10:23.05 | jm_ | CanDoo: good |
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| 10:23.16 | Guerin | jm_: i only want to catch outbound on that port |
| 10:23.16 | liable | pepsi_: um, well, that kernel *isnt* available for sarge, unless you are pinning, or not actually running sarge.. |
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| 10:23.25 | seeeS | jonbchat, ok, why not remove them then? |
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| 10:23.41 | Guerin | liable: he's UPGRADING |
| 10:23.42 | jm_ | Guerin: yeah but it also sends it out on other ports if it connects to peers on them, that's just for peers that connect to you |
| 10:23.48 | jonbchat | dpkg hangs when installint them at the end of the install |
| 10:23.59 | Guerin | jm_: oh, true. |
| 10:24.02 | jm_ | i'll look into string match and see if it can be used to match all torrent traffic |
| 10:24.02 | jonbchat | some kernel glitch |
| 10:24.04 | Guerin | jm_: DUH |
| 10:24.05 | liable | Guerin: stop yelling at me! |
| 10:24.07 | jm_ | Guerin: :) |
| 10:24.12 | Guerin | liable: it's ok, I'm yelling at me too |
| 10:24.13 | pepsi_ | liable: ok. pinning is putting evil stuff in sources.list? right? how do I confirm that I really have sarge? |
| 10:24.25 | Guerin | pepsi_: you don't. |
| 10:24.30 | pepsi_ | Guerin: ok |
| 10:24.30 | jm_ | Guerin: I noticed this this week when I was setting up IP accounting on my box |
| 10:24.34 | beardy | pepsi_: evil? |
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| 10:25.02 | seeeS | jonbchat, however i think dependencies will thwart you |
| 10:25.02 | pepsi_ | beardy: like unstable stuff etc |
| 10:25.03 | EdLin | pepsi_: if you don't even know that you're running Sarge, what makes you feel qualified to run sid? |
| 10:25.13 | beardy | pepsi_: I wouldn't call that evil. |
| 10:25.17 | pepsi_ | :) It was a long time since I installed |
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| 10:26.07 | jonbchat | seeeS: is there a switch to exclude them? I dont need them |
| 10:26.08 | Guerin | and now it's upgrading to testing |
| 10:26.09 | liable | most likely. |
| 10:26.20 | pepsi_ | Guerin: yea. |
| 10:26.28 | Guerin | he has 2.6.8-1- kernel, so i'd say it's about $1.01 odds |
| 10:26.28 | pepsi_ | Guerin: sounds really familiar |
| 10:26.46 | Guerin | pepsi_: so follow the force-loopbreak instructions there |
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| 10:27.02 | pepsi_ | Guerin: ok. hope it wont go to hell :) |
| 10:27.14 | gogu | hello, where should i read about this on apache: i want to redirect all clients that access a page that dosen't exist on the server to the main page of the server, and clients that access anything else that www.domain.tld to the main page. anyone can help ? |
| 10:27.23 | scanwinder | ive got a pcmcia to usb card and, whenever i eject it, it says usb-ohci.c: 01:00.0 device removed!...........and there's 6 messages just like that but every alternate 1 has 01:00.1....and it locks up there....i tried rmmod usb-ohci before ejecting it but didnt work |
| 10:27.25 | liable | or upgrade to proper sarge.. |
| 10:27.46 | pepsi_ | liable: that sounds good to. is it easy? |
| 10:28.10 | beardy | scanwinder: Do you have to remove it? |
| 10:28.17 | liable | pepsi_: yes, change your sources to say stable or sarge, update, dist-upgrade. |
| 10:28.19 | nkuttler | gogu: so your webserver only contains one page? |
| 10:28.22 | seeeS | gogu: thats the error pages |
| 10:28.33 | Guerin | liable: too late |
| 10:28.41 | Guerin | pepsi_: ignore liable, he's australian |
| 10:28.48 | pepsi_ | Guerin: ok |
| 10:28.50 | jonbchat | seeeS: can it be done? or not? |
| 10:28.51 | Guerin | and hence doesn't know what he's talking about |
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| 10:29.01 | seeeS | gogu, errordocument command in the apache conf |
| 10:29.05 | Guerin | i mean, he comes from a state which doesn't even know how to spell 'beer' |
| 10:29.12 | liable | Guerin: pffft |
| 10:29.16 | gogu | gogu: site has changed, and lot's of search engines, databases redirect users to pages that don't exist.. and i want to redirect them to the main page. |
| 10:29.19 | seeeS | jonbchat, possibly. although another way is to disable them in init |
| 10:29.22 | liable | wtf, what do you mean by that? |
| 10:29.32 | liable | ah, xxxx |
| 10:29.40 | Guerin | liable: gizza xxxx mate? |
| 10:29.40 | nkuttler | gogu: ErrorDocument, httpd.apache.org, read the documentation |
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| 10:29.57 | liable | well, i only live here, i dont drink the shit, just go where the work is.. |
| 10:30.00 | gogu | and for the other address ? |
| 10:30.03 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:30.14 | Guerin | liable: you lot have a team in the nrl final, too |
| 10:30.38 | liable | yeah, its a big hoohah atm. hope they loose :) |
| 10:30.55 | nkuttler | gogu: if you do what you said you want to do people will only be able to see / |
| 10:30.55 | Guerin | liable: heh. |
| 10:31.05 | nkuttler | gogu: look into mod_rewrite or ask #apache |
| 10:31.35 | seeeS | november, errordocument is probably what he is after unless it is a specific change in the directory |
| 10:31.37 | seeeS | bah |
| 10:32.08 | zumbi | what library package do i need for -lqt ? |
| 10:32.27 | beardy | what is -lqt? |
| 10:32.28 | Guerin | wtf is -lqt |
| 10:32.31 | nkuttler | zumbi: apt-cache search libqt dev |
| 10:32.44 | Guerin | oh, someone speaks the secret language |
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| 10:32.52 | beardy | heh |
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| 10:32.59 | scanwinder | beardy: i would like to be able 2 remove it |
| 10:33.04 | markl_ | any idea where to start debugging this error: sshd[1101]: fatal: PAM: pam_setcred(): Critical error - immediate abort |
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| 10:33.21 | markl_ | i can't ssh into this box, but i can log in from the console just fine |
| 10:33.21 | pepsi_ | Guerin: heh.. I did the loop-break option.. it all went through smoothly.. just to reeboot now?! |
| 10:33.36 | zumbi | Guerin: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt (qt libs) |
| 10:33.48 | scanwinder | beardy: jsut did some more testing and looks like it does something similar when i put i insert it after its booting up...before i was putting it in then booting up |
| 10:33.58 | fxser2 | how do i edit xorg config to make nvidia work ? |
| 10:34.05 | beardy | scanwinder: ok, well you should be able to.. |
| 10:34.07 | zumbi | nkuttler: i already have installed those qtlibs dev, but i might have done something wrong |
| 10:34.26 | shingouz_ | !tell fxser2 about drxx |
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| 10:34.53 | nkuttler | !wayc zumbi |
| 10:34.54 | dpkg | zumbi: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 10:35.02 | beardy | scanwinder: Are you running sarge? Which kernel? Do you have hotplug installed? |
| 10:35.28 | zumbi | nkuttler: because i need ndiswrapper |
| 10:35.58 | nkuttler | why would ndiswrapper require qt? |
| 10:36.14 | liable | and why cant you apt-get it/ |
| 10:36.17 | liable | ? |
| 10:36.38 | pepsi_ | Guerin: rebooting.. hoping to be back in short thx for your help |
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| 10:36.40 | zumbi | nkuttler: i just want make xconfig to run properly even i don't use it |
| 10:36.50 | nkuttler | doh! |
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| 10:37.06 | zumbi | liable: you need to compile ndiswrapper against your kernel sources |
| 10:37.52 | nkuttler | !tell zumbi about ndiswrapper |
| 10:37.52 | loc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:38.01 | zumbi | nkuttler: (c: |
| 10:38.30 | liable | zumbi: why do you need to even have xconfig to do that? (out of interest) |
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| 10:39.16 | zumbi | liable i don't need it, i just want it to work, i'm missing qt libs, and aptituding all the qtlibs-dev |
| 10:39.35 | nkuttler | zumbi: no. read the factoid, ask the bot about the one-liner |
| 10:39.38 | scanwinder | beardy: i have hotplug installed and im not sure bout kernel.......it was originally damnsmalllinux and i did apt-get dist-upgrade from sarge mirrors |
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| 10:42.21 | fireba11 | scanwinder: and i#m pretty sure that is not really a good idea |
| 10:42.46 | scanwinder | fireball: well everything else is working just fine........... |
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| 10:43.14 | scanwinder | fireball: i cant actually install sarge on it normally anyway, it requires more than 32mb ram |
| 10:43.38 | liable | install woody. |
| 10:43.39 | drac | Sarge requires 24mb. |
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| 10:44.17 | scanwinder | drac: really? oh wait...might have been b4 i had 32mb ram that i tried it |
| 10:44.28 | scanwinder | drac: might have been when i had 16mb:P |
| 10:44.33 | seeeS | bbl |
| 10:44.33 | drac | scanwinder: Really. |
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| 10:45.11 | mosty | when i installed courier-imap-ssl it generated an ssl certificate, but it got the hostname wrong (it used "localhost"), how can i get it to regenerate the certificate with the name i specify? |
| 10:46.02 | umbop | hmm how would a kernel in the logs report one time, and su report another time? |
| 10:46.28 | bobesponja | mosty: try dpkg-reconfigure courier-imap-ssl |
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| 10:46.58 | scanwinder | how do i forceably remove a module? |
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| 10:47.09 | scanwinder | i thought it was rmmod -f but its not working |
| 10:47.12 | mosty | bobesponja, i tried that already, it doesn't regenerate the certificate (and even if it did, it doesn't ask what hostname to use) |
| 10:47.17 | Guerin | scanwinder: fix whatever's keeping it in |
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| 10:47.27 | mosty | scanwinder, not all kernels support forced module unloading |
| 10:48.02 | umbop | http://pastebin.com/378574 how is that happening? |
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| 10:48.14 | scanwinder | well the module i want to unload is usbcore, any idea how to stop it been busy? |
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| 10:48.19 | umbop | oh it's running redhat on there, ignore me |
| 10:48.24 | jose1711 | hello, please what option to enable in menuconfig in order to have fully functional iptables firewall running? |
| 10:48.29 | mosty | umbop, timezone issues? is one of the two assuming your clock is set to GMT, and the other isn't? |
| 10:48.44 | mosty | jose: all the netfilter options |
| 10:48.58 | umbop | wouldn't they call the same time function? |
| 10:49.06 | shingouz_ | jose1711: use a debian kernel instead unless you have some real exotic hardware there |
| 10:49.07 | umbop | i thought the time would come from the system |
| 10:49.23 | umbop | i didn't realise you could tell the kernel to use one time, and su to use another :-S |
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| 10:55.07 | jose1711 | shingoki_, actually i am using gentoo but there is nobody willing to help me on #gentoo channel |
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| 10:55.37 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 10:55.37 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 10:56.40 | shingoki_ | heh |
| 10:56.47 | jose1711 | this is not gentoo related problem.. |
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| 10:57.00 | jose1711 | might be useful to know even if i am using debian, don'? troll |
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| 10:57.14 | EdLin | jose1711: well, we gave you a Debian related answer - which you say isn't good enough. Well, too bad. |
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| 10:57.28 | antgel | jose1711: but you're not using debian, so we can't support you |
| 10:57.28 | chadder | hi all, my company wants to buy Linux posters, does anyone know a good place to buy those (we don't want to print them ourselves)? |
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| 10:58.02 | Novalis | Guerin: just did chown mysql.mysql /var/lib/mysql and chowned everything in the webroot back to the apache user - and these two work again now |
| 10:58.03 | jose1711 | debian users never compile kernel.. |
| 10:58.07 | jose1711 | never use iptables.. |
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| 10:58.11 | jose1711 | too bad for 'em |
| 10:58.23 | jose1711 | oh well, and never give hints to other linux users |
| 10:58.27 | EdLin | jose1711: when we compile kernels we do it with kernel-package, which is also different than gentoo |
| 10:58.29 | Guerin | Novalis: they might work for now. Some things will probably be broken, you just won't notice yet. |
| 10:58.43 | EdLin | jose1711: go to ##linux if you need a general GNU/Linux channel. |
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| 10:59.00 | Novalis | Guerin: yes, i'm afraid it won't reboot properly ;-) |
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| 10:59.07 | jerome | jm_: cdrecord works fine once ide-scsi is not loaded for another CD device. Strange but true. |
| 10:59.11 | Guerin | Novalis: yeah. |
| 10:59.23 | jm_ | jerome: you should not load it at all |
| 10:59.23 | Guerin | Novalis: did the reinstall trick work? |
| 10:59.33 | antgel | jose1711: too bad for you that you're having issues because you're compiling stuff |
| 11:00.04 | jose1711 | no issue cept that gentoo users do not think that iptables is important to be compiled-in |
| 11:00.11 | Novalis | Guerin: no, i just noticed that is was a SuSE-Server ;-) - but because i only use debian on my own servers, i dropped in here ;-) |
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| 11:00.31 | EdLin | jose1711: what gentoo users think matters 0 here. |
| 11:00.54 | Novalis | Guerin: the consequence is, that i will reinstall this server tonigt with a clean debian-sarge installation |
| 11:01.11 | fireba11 | Novalis: heeh |
| 11:01.12 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 11:01.26 | Guerin | Novalis: wtf |
| 11:01.35 | Guerin | Novalis: oh well, good a reason as any |
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| 11:01.53 | Novalis | suse sucks... especially with PLESK on it |
| 11:02.05 | antgel | !start a distro war |
| 11:02.05 | dpkg | Fedora 0wnz! |
| 11:02.14 | jerome | jm_: I removed it. Unfortunatly some apps works better with ide-scsi (grip, cdparanoia for instance). |
| 11:02.16 | dimir | :-) |
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| 11:02.57 | antgel | jerome: no problems here ripping without scsi emluation in 2.6 |
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| 11:03.28 | jm_ | jerome: cdparaonia always worked fine for me with IDE devices |
| 11:04.04 | bisquit | Ok, this is hard. What's the two lines I need in my .xinitrc to start 1) Mozilla on secondary display and 2) my window manager (gnome) on the primary display? |
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| 11:06.04 | EdLin | bisquit: a) GNOME isn't a window manager b) what do you mean by "secondary" and "primary" displays? Virtual desktops? Monitors? |
| 11:06.57 | Fleck | i can't run konsole or aterm or whatever, xterm, error is can't open pseudo-tty |
| 11:07.24 | bisquit | Ack. Monitors. |
| 11:07.45 | Fleck | i updated debian and all problems started after... |
| 11:07.57 | beardy | Fleck: Updated to what? |
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| 11:08.03 | Fleck | sid |
| 11:08.05 | beardy | Fleck: which version of debian, and what kernel? |
| 11:08.11 | beardy | Fleck: Why? |
| 11:08.13 | liable | Fleck: you lose.. |
| 11:08.18 | jerome | antgel, jm_ : ripping is way faster with scsi emulation |
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| 11:08.31 | Fleck | i compile kernel by my self ... |
| 11:08.36 | EdLin | bisquit: maybe someone else can help you with that, I know nothing about xinarama and other aspects of multiple monitors under X. |
| 11:08.38 | jerome | antgel, jm_ : at least with my drives ... |
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| 11:08.44 | Fleck | 2.6.12.5 |
| 11:08.47 | beardy | Fleck: Now you've really done it.. |
| 11:09.00 | bisquit | Wasn't even using Xinerama. ^^ |
| 11:09.01 | Fleck | beardy ? |
| 11:09.01 | antgel | !pal beardy |
| 11:09.16 | bisquit | But yeah. |
| 11:09.28 | jerome | bisquit: try DISPLAY=:0.0 mozilla & DISPLAY=:0.1 yourwm |
| 11:09.50 | jm_ | jerome: I prefer to use "paranoia" modes with cdparaonia, i.e. it's better if it's slow than to rip low quality data |
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| 11:09.51 | antgel | Fleck: i will try to explain gently. people here frown upon those who make unnecessary problems for themselves and complain to us |
| 11:10.03 | bisquit | jerome, thanks - will try. :) |
| 11:10.31 | jerome | bisquit: if you don't use xinerama. Xinerama, or mergedFB creates one large DISPLAY :0.0. You can get mozilla stuck on first screen using your wm capacity (show on all desktop and set geometry) |
| 11:10.31 | Fleck | i repeat, all was working fine until now ... |
| 11:10.44 | pepsi_ | Guerin: hi.. I'm in 2.6.12-1-686 now! Can I safely let aptitude remove my kernel-image-2.6.8-1/2-3/686 ?? |
| 11:10.48 | Fleck | i compiled my kernel a mounth ago ... |
| 11:10.57 | jerome | jm_: I mean faster using the same modes of quality control |
| 11:10.57 | bisquit | Yeah but I'm not using Xinerama, I like them completely separate. |
| 11:11.11 | Guerin | pepsi_: yup. |
| 11:11.17 | pepsi_ | Guerin: sweet |
| 11:11.19 | beardy | Fleck: Why are you running sid? |
| 11:11.27 | beardy | !wayc Fleck |
| 11:11.28 | dpkg | Fleck: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 11:11.30 | Phr0zenKore | hi all, anybody know a better MSN client than Gaim? not Kopete please, or if there aren't any, how do i get gaim 1.5.0 on my system with apt-get? |
| 11:11.31 | Fleck | what els should i ? |
| 11:11.38 | Fleck | else |
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| 11:11.44 | beardy | Fleck: Sarge |
| 11:11.52 | antgel | Fleck: you have caused two unnecessary problems. 1. compiling your kernel. 2. running sid |
| 11:11.53 | Fleck | yeah right, old stuff |
| 11:11.58 | jerome | bisquit: then try what I told you about issuing DISPLAY=... before launching your program. However, you should launch a WM on the first head two. TO handle transient windows ... |
| 11:12.03 | jerome | popups, dialogs, etc |
| 11:12.10 | Guerin | Phr0zenKore: what feature are you lacking? |
| 11:12.14 | antgel | Fleck: what does sarge miss that you need? |
| 11:12.16 | beardy | Fleck: You are now one your own. By that statement, have a nice day and good luck. |
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| 11:12.17 | Guerin | Fleck: etch. |
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| 11:12.22 | Phr0zenKore | Guerin: some MSN features, and Gaim crashes often |
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| 11:12.31 | Phr0zenKore | and Gaim's too bloated |
| 11:12.33 | Guerin | Fleck: sid breaks. You get to keep all the bits. We get to point and laught. |
| 11:12.36 | Phr0zenKore | and no cam support.. |
| 11:12.38 | bisquit | Oh, ok. I'll explore this around a little... |
| 11:12.42 | Guerin | Phr0zenKore: all MSN clients are shit. |
| 11:12.45 | Phr0zenKore | amsn cvs is buggy and not available in debian |
| 11:12.48 | Phr0zenKore | :( |
| 11:12.55 | Phr0zenKore | MSN 7.0 is DEFINETLY shit |
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| 11:12.57 | Novalis | Guerin: thanks for your help! cu all |
| 11:12.58 | jm_ | jerome: ahh might be it's not using DMA |
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| 11:13.12 | Phr0zenKore | Guerin: aim better then? |
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| 11:13.22 | Phr0zenKore | what IM is the best for unix? |
| 11:13.25 | Phr0zenKore | ICQ? :P |
| 11:13.30 | Penix | jabber |
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| 11:13.38 | Phr0zenKore | Jabber? |
| 11:13.52 | erroneous | I use Gaim |
| 11:13.54 | Guerin | Phr0zenKore: not really. I use instant messaging for messaging, and nothing else. FOr that purpose, pointing my irc client to im.bitlbee.org is the best option. |
| 11:14.10 | Novalis | yeah, bitlbee rocks |
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| 11:14.29 | seeeS | nice too |
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| 11:14.39 | Guerin | Phr0zenKore: i suggest not bothering with cams, file transfers, announce messages, avatars, smilie packages or other such tat when it comes to free clients for proprietary protocols - it just ain't going to work. |
| 11:14.39 | Novalis | you can use it with bitlbee |
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| 11:14.52 | beardy | Phr0zenKore: irc is really the best, no need for anything else, I wonder why they exist.. |
| 11:14.53 | Guerin | if i had my way, I'd focibly make all the people I know use jabber ... but... |
| 11:14.54 | Phr0zenKore | ... bitlbee? |
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| 11:15.07 | erroneous | anybody know how I can get bootsplash, or something similar working? |
| 11:15.07 | Phr0zenKore | beardy: yea but many people i know are on MSN, not even IRC |
| 11:15.09 | Novalis | www.bitlbee.org |
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| 11:15.10 | heanol | i have a packaged i install with dpkg --force-all because it said it had a dependency that it couldnt install, but the program works fine. whenever i try to run install or upgrade now though, it wants to remove it |
| 11:15.16 | jerome | jm_: I don't konw, if you use IDE without DMA and try to rip something (DVD, CD, anything using RAW) performance might be even worse. |
| 11:15.21 | heanol | how can i make it stop caring? |
| 11:15.23 | fxser2 | isnt debian gona get back at ubuntu after they stold theyr distro ? |
| 11:15.28 | Penix | the only reason I even bothered to try Google Talk was because they're using jabber |
| 11:15.33 | sep | erroneous, /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 11:15.34 | Guerin | heanol: NEVER use --force-all |
| 11:15.38 | beardy | fxser2: Being stupid ir trolling? |
| 11:15.48 | Guerin | Penix: bah, they're half-arsedly using jabber |
| 11:15.48 | fxser2 | just making sence |
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| 11:16.05 | Penix | Guerin: not surprising |
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| 11:16.08 | liable | fxser2: put the crack pipe away! |
| 11:16.08 | shingoki_ | I don't really get google talk |
| 11:16.09 | jerome | jm_: after asking to grip devs, I've been told ide-scsi provides a better interface to access raw data on audio CD. I don't know much about that, it should be investigated further. |
| 11:16.10 | deeLer | Hey guys |
| 11:16.10 | Novalis | im out, bye! |
| 11:16.13 | Guerin | heanol: apt-get -f install; fix your sources. You can't make it not care, except by satisfying the dependency. |
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| 11:16.15 | heanol | Guerin, what should i do if i want to force install it then? |
| 11:16.19 | shingoki_ | I mean, what does it do that nay other Jabber server doesn't already do better? |
| 11:16.24 | fxser2 | crack pipe ? |
| 11:16.25 | Guerin | heanol: you shouldn't have to foce it. |
| 11:16.26 | heanol | the dependency really is broken |
| 11:16.29 | heanol | because it works without it. |
| 11:16.32 | heanol | its a 3rd party package |
| 11:16.34 | sep | heanol, you should make sure it can fulfill it's dependency ! |
| 11:16.34 | Guerin | heanol: fix it. |
| 11:16.40 | Phr0zenKore | ... |
| 11:16.40 | beardy | *plonk* |
| 11:16.41 | seeeS | jerome, the newer kernels for audio CD you use the ide drive directly |
| 11:16.47 | fxser2 | lible i dont have your habbits |
| 11:16.50 | Phr0zenKore | bitlbee is a gateway to OTHER IM'S VIA IRC?! |
| 11:16.57 | Phr0zenKore | neat!! =D |
| 11:17.04 | Guerin | heanol: you can use equivs to make a virtual package which provides: something, if that's all that's needed. |
| 11:17.05 | EdLin | !beer Phr0zenKore |
| 11:17.11 | antgel | fxser2: how about developing a spelling habit? |
| 11:17.13 | beardy | damn, my plonking ironpipe will be outworn by afternoon.. |
| 11:17.21 | Phr0zenKore | thnx :p |
| 11:17.23 | Phr0zenKore | !beer eddul d |
| 11:17.26 | Phr0zenKore | !beer EdLin |
| 11:17.30 | Phr0zenKore | stupid tabcompletion |
| 11:17.31 | Phr0zenKore | :p |
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| 11:17.36 | Guerin | heanol: out of curiosity: skype? |
| 11:17.42 | fxser2 | this irc client dosent have spelling enable |
| 11:17.45 | petemc | you would have to question the point of decanting guinness |
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| 11:17.48 | fxser2 | im working on it |
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| 11:18.05 | Guerin | petemc: heh |
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| 11:18.15 | Guerin | no beer should be decanted |
| 11:18.20 | heanol | Guerin, yes |
| 11:18.44 | Guerin | heanol: equivs |
| 11:18.47 | liable | what about a keg? or am i missing a point/ |
| 11:18.59 | heanol | Guerin, equivs? |
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| 11:19.17 | Penix | I thought it was hard switching from a normal keyboard to a notebook style mini one, but my new one is making me feel like a retard |
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| 11:19.23 | Guerin | heanol: apt-cache search equivs; you might have to uninstall skype temporarily to install it |
| 11:19.28 | Penix | http://www.elx.com.au/images/products/full/elsKB-MINIUP.jpg |
| 11:19.40 | Guerin | heanol: s/search/show/ |
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| 11:20.35 | jerome | a bit off-topic, but I'm looking for a PDA+GPS or a GPS that would work nicely with linux to do some data acquisition (spot some places) not navigation. Any advice ? |
| 11:20.37 | liable | fxser2: why, thankyou, may i have some red cordial with that? |
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| 11:20.49 | darkness | Isn't methonal found in alcohol? |
| 11:20.52 | heanol | Guerin, thank you, that was what i was looking for |
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| 11:21.28 | Guerin | darkness: methanol IS an alcohol; it's not found in the stuff you drink |
| 11:21.45 | Guerin | unless you're a crazy redneck who distills his own from wood shavings and corn husks |
| 11:21.45 | fxser2 | its kinda toxic |
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| 11:22.08 | darkness | Guerin, but an average pint of lager contains some? |
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| 11:22.14 | Phr0zenKore | .. |
| 11:22.15 | Phr0zenKore | whoa! |
| 11:22.18 | Phr0zenKore | bitlbee 0wnz! |
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| 11:22.28 | Guerin | darkness: nope. methanol is really fucking poisonous. You're thinking of ethanol. |
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| 11:22.36 | fxser2 | no metanol for you darkness |
| 11:22.39 | EdLin | methenol has interesting side effects such as blindness and brain damage. |
| 11:22.41 | Guerin | which is only mildly poisonous |
| 11:22.48 | darkness | Guerin: Ha, thought i was drinking the wrong stuff :-) |
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| 11:22.58 | Guerin | ... |
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| 11:23.17 | Guerin | so that's why your nick is 'darkness' |
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| 11:23.32 | darkness | Anyhow, my live cd is taking ages.Any quick fixes to repair my mbr? |
| 11:23.43 | liable | i got asked to buy a bottle of metho for a local once, at 7am! very sad.. |
| 11:23.56 | fxser2 | Guerin: is a parapsychologist take no notice |
| 11:23.57 | antgel | darkness: was it you who was downloading knoppix yesterday? |
| 11:24.06 | streuner | liable: lilo or grub? |
| 11:24.14 | darkness | antgel: yep. |
| 11:24.22 | streuner | darkness: ^^^ |
| 11:24.42 | Guerin | darkness: boot livecd, mount root, chroot to it, run grub-install /dev/foo && update-grub && reboot |
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| 11:25.04 | wers | rescue root=/dev/hda1 |
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| 11:26.13 | darkness | Guerin, yep thats the idea.I can't beleive cd disk 1 of woody can't be used to chroot. |
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| 11:26.34 | antgel | darkness: but it was 48% yesterday. what happened? |
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| 11:27.03 | antgel | darkness: open your hard disk casing. use a really small magnet to move the bits into the correct places. |
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| 11:27.20 | darkness | antgel: lol |
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| 11:27.40 | darkness | antgel: powercut. |
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| 11:28.03 | hackeron_ | any ldap expert can tell me how to get a hash generated by slappasswd -h '{SHA}' into openldap? |
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| 11:32.13 | raph | hallo |
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| 11:32.38 | StuckMojo | is there a debian package for DSPAM? |
| 11:33.12 | StuckMojo | apt-cache search dspam doesn't find anything, but it's a GNU licensed project... |
| 11:33.19 | seeeS | there is |
| 11:33.24 | seeeS | but not in the official repo |
| 11:33.35 | StuckMojo | how come? |
| 11:33.46 | StuckMojo | AFAIK it's usually a licensing thing |
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| 11:33.55 | StuckMojo | but since this is gnu, i was surprised not to find it |
| 11:33.56 | seeeS | nopy, it is just a matter of getting it in |
| 11:33.58 | znx | its also a space thing? |
| 11:34.06 | znx | hehe 15CDs and counting :P |
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| 11:34.20 | bisquit | Yay. Thanks jerome :) |
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| 11:34.39 | jerome | bisquit: enjoy :P |
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| 11:34.47 | raph | ow het is hier in het engels is er geen nl irc kanaal ? |
| 11:34.49 | StuckMojo | seeeS i'm googling. thx |
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| 11:34.58 | seeeS | # dspam |
| 11:34.59 | seeeS | deb http://bobosse.net/debian/ unstable main |
| 11:35.08 | seeeS | stuckmojo, thats the one i use. |
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| 11:35.21 | liable | !be |
| 11:35.21 | dpkg | i guess be is Beryllium. Belgium, or the company who made BeOS |
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| 11:35.36 | NoThing | for those who blow me off - debian - sid works GREAT with self compiled kernel ... |
| 11:35.36 | liable | !nl |
| 11:35.36 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 11:35.40 | StuckMojo | seeeS thanks |
| 11:35.54 | seeeS | raph, #debian-nl ? |
| 11:35.56 | liable | dpkg: you suck! |
| 11:35.56 | dpkg | Dream on, liable. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 11:36.07 | StuckMojo | seeeS how well has it worked for you? |
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| 11:36.12 | raph | thanks |
| 11:36.17 | StuckMojo | particularly as false positives go... |
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| 11:36.38 | seeeS | stuckm, it appeared to be about the best package out there. there was one or two funnies, like a missing chmod |
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| 11:36.54 | jm_ | bogofilter works great for me |
| 11:36.58 | seeeS | stuckmojo, im running it no my own mailserver |
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| 11:37.46 | StuckMojo | have you stopped using things like RBLs? |
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| 11:39.16 | seeeS | stuckmojo, let me check |
| 11:40.03 | seeeS | stuckmojo, on still using rbls. however they usefullness are limited because most of my spam comes via debian mailservers |
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| 11:40.44 | davis | i am trying to make an ISO of a cdrom. |
| 11:40.51 | StuckMojo | lol, really? |
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| 11:41.09 | davis | i do mkisofs -o cd.iso -R -J /mnt/cdrom but it does not do anything. |
| 11:41.14 | StuckMojo | davis dd if=/dev/hdb of=foo.iso |
| 11:41.14 | StuckMojo | adjust hdb for your cdrom |
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| 11:41.24 | davis | would this be because its a audio cd? |
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| 11:41.33 | StuckMojo | just use dd |
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| 11:41.36 | TheGame | eh. |
| 11:41.39 | StuckMojo | it's already an iso |
| 11:41.44 | davis | ok. |
| 11:41.49 | StuckMojo | no need to mount it |
| 11:41.53 | TheGame | What is this place? |
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| 11:41.57 | doleyb | davis: mkisofs would only work if the cd is already mounted, and it would be quite redundant. |
| 11:42.03 | seeeS | stuckmojo, yes. i get webmaster, list and then every package of mine has my debian email address so it is not that surprusing |
| 11:42.11 | shingouz_ | TheGame: /topic |
| 11:42.14 | davis | ok. i will dd it. i didn't know you could do that. |
| 11:42.30 | StuckMojo | yep |
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| 11:42.42 | TheGame | I came here in desperation of finding a new file sharing system that would actually move faster, and work for all things I downloaded. |
| 11:42.58 | TheGame | So, I found this website posting the name of this server. |
| 11:43.00 | StuckMojo | davis only time it won't work completely is if the cd has copy protection. you'll get a good iso, but the cd you burn from it won't pass the copy protection |
| 11:43.07 | shingouz_ | TheGame: do you run Debian? |
| 11:43.26 | davis | if I can't dd and then mount the iso, it will burn right? |
| 11:43.43 | davis | ie. if it I can mount it, its good enough to burn with. |
| 11:43.46 | StuckMojo | davis huh? rephrase please |
| 11:43.52 | StuckMojo | davis yes |
| 11:43.53 | shingouz_ | TheGame: www.debian.org |
| 11:44.04 | StuckMojo | a dd created iso can be burned |
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| 11:44.27 | seeeS | im guessing something like google has returned about the bittorrent debian torrents |
| 11:44.34 | StuckMojo | dd would fail otherwise |
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| 11:44.40 | StuckMojo | but mounting it is a good way to check |
| 11:44.43 | davis | StuckMojo: many thanks. |
| 11:44.46 | StuckMojo | davis np |
| 11:45.22 | seeeS | never tried dd that way, but i can see it should work |
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| 11:46.15 | BlueSmurf | hi all |
| 11:46.20 | tzafrir_laptop | lately quite a few kernel releases contain fixes that are labeld as "security". Any idea which of those affect Sarge's 2.6 kernel? |
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| 11:47.02 | BlueSmurf | can some one help figure out why phpMYadmin works but phpPGadmin does not. |
| 11:47.02 | nandhu | hello,i am DINESH |
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| 11:47.18 | tzafrir_laptop | ~not work |
| 11:47.20 | apt | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 11:47.22 | seeeS | tza: you would need to read the DSAs |
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| 11:47.54 | seeeS | bluesmurf, at a guess because mysql and pgsql have deifferent security setups |
| 11:48.00 | nandhu | hello I AM DINESH |
| 11:48.02 | BlueSmurf | I can not even get a phpinfo() working from the root dir. one would think php is not configured or working... but phpmyadmin works fine !, what gives ? |
| 11:48.20 | asperon | when i try to start cyrus on my newly upgraded system, i get DBERROR db3: /var/lib/cyrus/db/__db.001: Permission denied i have check, and that file belongs to cyrus.mail, this then goes on to a couple of permission denied errors, all of which are owned by cyrus. as a side note find gives me a /proc bad hard link count, can these two be related somehow? |
| 11:48.34 | seeeS | bluesmurf: on the same server? |
| 11:48.36 | liable | nandhu: yes, hello. we saw the first time. |
| 11:49.04 | BlueSmurf | seeeS, when it opens the php pg admin main page. the browser says it has a xhtml/php files and asks what to do with it. |
| 11:49.09 | davis | hmm. dd if=/dev/hdc of=cd.iso Input/Output error |
| 11:49.11 | BlueSmurf | seeeS, yes on the same server. |
| 11:49.13 | tzafrir_laptop | BlueSmurf, again: please tell what does happen and not what doesn't. What happens when you connect? to which URL? |
| 11:49.31 | seeeS | bluesmurf, then it is not interpreting the file, but serving it. it is an apache problem |
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| 11:49.48 | BlueSmurf | tzafrir_laptop, I open http://localhost/phpmyadmin and all goes fine. |
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| 11:50.04 | seeeS | phpmyadmin must have some overrides to say "make .php files interpreted not just downloaded" |
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| 11:50.26 | slimeball | i messed up silo with sarge on a sparc ultra1 upgraded to the latest 2.6.8 kernel can someone help me with the boot loader |
| 11:50.54 | BlueSmurf | seeeS, I have seen the /etc/php{my,pg}admin/apache.conf and they are exactly the same. |
| 11:50.56 | seeeS | urgh, silo problems. |
| 11:51.19 | tmyneii | (msg dpkg crypto |
| 11:51.21 | tzafrir_laptop | seeeS, nothing about "kernel" in http://www.us.debian.org/security/2005/ , right? |
| 11:51.22 | seeeS | bluesmurfg, phpmyadmin may have .htaccess files. in any case i personally enable php intepretation globally |
| 11:51.24 | tmyneii | oh |
| 11:51.41 | slimeball | ya and im semi newb but long as i can boot what ever it changed old kernel to or the new one manually im set |
| 11:51.49 | BlueSmurf | seeeS, aaaah. thats something i havnt looked for.... |
| 11:52.08 | StuckMojo | davis: 1) try it as root 2) make sure hdc is the right device file |
| 11:52.14 | nkuttler | slimeball: try #debian-sparc |
| 11:52.19 | tzafrir_laptop | slimeball, I don't know about sparcs, but on i386 even the debian installer is a resonable rescue disk |
| 11:52.21 | BlueSmurf | seeeS, ok, it baffled me. no php works, but in oho my admin it does... i'll check it out, thanks. |
| 11:52.33 | slimeball | cool thanks :) and ya tried that tzafrir_laptop |
| 11:52.42 | EdLin | tzafrir_laptop: that only lists *fixed* by Debian security problems in Sarge, not all of them - unfortunately. |
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| 11:53.10 | tzafrir_laptop | slimeball, only on i386. I never booted anything on sparc... |
| 11:53.22 | slimeball | the installer wouldnt let me access the disk to edit silo even after remounting sda2 |
| 11:53.46 | tzafrir_laptop | EdLin, but at least one (probably more) such fix was *after* the release of Sarge |
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| 11:54.04 | slimeball | tried the editing via the cd shell |
| 11:54.06 | seeeS | bluesmurf, you will need to put some addtype lines in |
| 11:54.32 | davis | StuckMojo: hmm. same thing. /dev/cdrom points to hdc. i tried /dev/hdc and /dev/cdrom |
| 11:54.36 | tzafrir_laptop | seeeS, doesn't the php package do that? |
| 11:54.41 | seeeS | bluesmurf, apache2 does it automatically. |
| 11:54.46 | StuckMojo | davis does it mount? |
| 11:54.46 | Phr0zenKore | somebody know a good irc client? the BEST? irssi doesn't feel so good for me..... and X-Chat is... kinda empty.. |
| 11:54.49 | davis | StuckMojo: i can mount it as /dev/cdrom though. |
| 11:54.51 | StuckMojo | davis the cd i mean |
| 11:55.01 | tzafrir_laptop | seeeS, maybe the missing piece is to configure the php module's configure to get loaded? |
| 11:55.06 | petemc | Phr0zenKore: what doesnt irssi do ? |
| 11:55.09 | EdLin | Phr0zenKore: what's wrong with irssi? |
| 11:55.12 | StuckMojo | davis what's the command you're using again? |
| 11:55.18 | seeeS | tza: afaik, no it doesnt. apache2 needs to be told to load the module |
| 11:55.25 | Phr0zenKore | EdLin: the window system. |
| 11:55.28 | wers | /quit |
| 11:55.32 | StuckMojo | dd if=/dev/hdc of=~/foo.iso something like that |
| 11:55.33 | Phr0zenKore | and the configs.. |
| 11:55.35 | davis | i can not mount it either. |
| 11:55.36 | seeeS | however apache had missing lines, then remember it is a conffile so probably not adjusted |
| 11:55.37 | Phr0zenKore | damn difficult to config.. |
| 11:55.46 | davis | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cd.iso |
| 11:56.09 | davis | i should check to see if I can play it. |
| 11:56.21 | Phr0zenKore | and no nicklist... |
| 11:56.25 | davis | i have mocp and xmms installed. i dont know if they will play audio cd's though. |
| 11:56.28 | tzafrir_laptop | php also needs to be configured to enable mysql for each php frontend seperately, right? |
| 11:56.28 | StuckMojo | davis well, that's the problem then. if you can't mount it, it's either a fucked up cd, or /dev/cdrom points to the wrong device |
| 11:56.45 | davis | i just ripped it using abcde though. |
| 11:56.56 | StuckMojo | davis. hmm acutally i've never tried it with an audio cd |
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| 11:57.04 | StuckMojo | davis hang on a sec |
| 11:57.12 | EdLin | Phr0zenKore: irssi's nick completion is smart enough that you rarely need to scroll back to see the nicks in a channel. |
| 11:57.12 | BlueSmurf | seeeS, ok, you were right. The php my admin had a .htacces file... |
| 11:57.29 | petemc | Phr0zenKore: /names |
| 11:57.31 | sep | Phr0zenKore, /names ? |
| 11:57.31 | cahoot | davis: audio cd's are not mountable |
| 11:57.40 | Phr0zenKore | ... |
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| 11:57.43 | davis | cahoot: ok. thanks. |
| 11:57.44 | sep | !win petemc |
| 11:57.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, petemc! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 11:57.49 | petemc | w00t |
| 11:57.58 | davis | xmms does not play audio cd's either. |
| 11:57.59 | Phr0zenKore | i just can't work well with irssi.. |
| 11:58.01 | sep | Phr0zenKore, xchat do have nicklist tho whats emty abotuu it ? |
| 11:58.09 | Phr0zenKore | and the alt keys don't work in xterm |
| 11:58.11 | EdLin | davis: xmms does play audio CDs... |
| 11:58.13 | BlueSmurf | seeeS, Ill see if I can make the settings global on the apache2 server. thanks again... it was starting to get on my nerves... I didnt even think about a .htacces file ! |
| 11:58.25 | davis | EdLin: how do you specify the audio cd? |
| 11:58.30 | petemc | Phr0zenKore: they do here, read up on how to set the meta key |
| 11:58.32 | Phr0zenKore | sep: that irssi can do much more.. |
| 11:58.38 | cahoot | davis: it does but you might have to use xmms-cdread |
| 11:58.51 | Phr0zenKore | petemc: i get weird chars. |
| 11:59.02 | davis | installing it now. thanks. |
| 11:59.03 | petemc | Phr0zenKore: then something isnt set up right |
| 11:59.06 | EdLin | davis: don't mount, but go to the cd driver's usual mountpoint and click on the "eject"-like button that manages playlists. |
| 11:59.06 | seeeS | bluesmurf: apache2 server? then /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf should have the relevant lines |
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| 11:59.42 | Phr0zenKore | petemc: but still.. poor docs.. the tutorial doesn't describe all of it.. |
| 11:59.43 | EdLin | s/and click/by clicking/ |
| 11:59.43 | davis | hmm. |
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| 12:00.14 | petemc | Phr0zenKore: the docs are prefectly adequate, if its not for you, fine, but dont knock it |
| 12:00.27 | StuckMojo | davis nm, it doesn't work with audio cds |
| 12:00.34 | Phr0zenKore | petemc: well i find irssi is a perfect client, i just can't control it well |
| 12:00.41 | davis | np |
| 12:00.42 | EdLin | StuckMojo: I've used xmms with audio CDs. |
| 12:00.55 | davis | EdLin: he is referring to dd. |
| 12:00.59 | StuckMojo | EdLin no, i mean using dd to make an iso |
| 12:01.01 | EdLin | oh, nm |
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| 12:01.21 | davis | EdLin: getting back xmms. i installed xmms-cdread and restarted xmms |
| 12:01.40 | davis | i click the eject button on the playlist and it pops up a file open dialog. |
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| 12:01.55 | darkness | phr0zenKore: I use to not get on with irssi.Now i know my way around using it if agree with others that it's probably one of the best clients around. |
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| 12:02.00 | EdLin | davis: right. You need to navigate to your CD-ROM's default mountpoint. |
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| 12:02.17 | davis | /mnt/cdrom or /cdrom, right |
| 12:02.25 | davis | but its an audio cd which I can not mount. |
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| 12:02.29 | EdLin | davis: /media/cdrom is the usual one. |
| 12:02.34 | Phr0zenKore | well i need a good tut and an alt key that will work |
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| 12:02.45 | Phr0zenKore | cuz now i see weird chars |
| 12:02.50 | Phr0zenKore | when i press ALT+Nubmer |
| 12:02.52 | Phr0zenKore | Number* |
| 12:02.54 | EdLin | davis: yes, you can't mount it, but xmms uses the directory in /etc/fstab for it. |
| 12:03.15 | EdLin | davis: it's a very user-unfriendly design |
| 12:03.22 | davis | hmm. |
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| 12:03.44 | davis | i can navigate the dialog to /cdrom but when i click play nothing hap[pens |
| 12:04.21 | EdLin | davis: you don't go to just any directory, go to the mountpoint in /etc/fstab for the CD-ROM (again) |
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| 12:04.36 | davis | /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 12:04.39 | EdLin | davis: also you need to add the tracks to the playlist before you hit play. |
| 12:04.42 | davis | from my /etc/fstab |
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| 12:05.06 | cahoot | davis: got alsaplayer installed? |
| 12:05.10 | davis | yes |
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| 12:05.23 | cahoot | davis: try it - using cdda |
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| 12:06.02 | BlueSmurf | seeeS, I do not have a php4.conf in mods-available (so none in mods-enabled either)... |
| 12:06.28 | StuckMojo | davis what are you trying to do anyway, copy an audio cd? |
| 12:06.46 | BlueSmurf | seeeS, I would of thought it was intsalled with php4. maybe I need another php4 package installed. ? |
| 12:07.22 | BlueSmurf | seeeS, I did a dpkg-reconfigure php4 as well. |
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| 12:07.28 | davis | StuckMojo: yes. i ripped it to oggs. Now I am trying to create an iso. |
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| 12:07.52 | EdLin | davis: Oh... xmms doesn't record or write cds. |
| 12:08.03 | davis | StuckMojo: maybe i dont need an iso if I can then create an audio cd from the the .ogg files. |
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| 12:08.22 | litage | what would cause an ssh client and server to take up to 30 seconds before allowing a user to type in their password? |
| 12:08.25 | cahoot | davis: abcde can be configged not to remove the wavs after ripping - burn those |
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| 12:08.46 | StuckMojo | davis you can, but they need to be wav first |
| 12:08.51 | StuckMojo | just a sec |
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| 12:10.32 | liable | litage: using wireless? |
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| 12:11.06 | litage | liable: heh no :) |
| 12:11.19 | litage | the ssh client and server connect immediately and do some talking, but wait for >10 seconds after this message: "debug1: Next authentication method: keyboard-interactive" |
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| 12:13.05 | davis | abcde -k -M ... creates .ogg files, and then keeps the .wav files, and creates a CUE sheet for recreating the cdrom. |
| 12:13.11 | cahoot | davis: abcde rips the cd to wav tracks- then encodes to ogg/mp3/flac - lastly removes the wavs if not configured otherwise |
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| 12:14.31 | cahoot | davis: just edit/create a suitable abcde.conf |
| 12:14.38 | Phr0zenKore | oh, and something i don't like either at irssi: i wanna have seperate status windows for every server, like X-Chat |
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| 12:15.12 | StuckMojo | davis ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/ProDVD/README.clone |
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| 12:16.22 | StuckMojo | davis hmm..nm, doesn't work either |
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| 12:16.44 | davis | ok. |
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| 12:18.30 | scanwinder | is it possible to turn off one pcmcia slot and leave the other on? |
| 12:18.35 | StuckMojo | davis basically you can use cdda2wav, then burn those wav files back as an audio cd |
| 12:18.44 | liable | scanwinder: bios? |
| 12:18.45 | StuckMojo | if you want to make a 100% quality cd copy |
| 12:18.54 | StuckMojo | davis the other option is nero for linux |
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| 12:19.14 | scanwinder | liable: other than bios........i mean so like cardmgr dosent use both...just uses 1 |
| 12:19.14 | davis | cdda2wav, hmmm. |
| 12:19.14 | StuckMojo | http://ww2.nero.com/enu/NeroLINUX.html |
| 12:19.28 | StuckMojo | davis grip will do it too |
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| 12:19.40 | StuckMojo | it's a front end for cdda2wav, lame, etc |
| 12:19.41 | cahoot | StuckMojo: as will abcde |
| 12:19.43 | r3tex | how can i check if i'm sucessfully runing udev? |
| 12:19.47 | cahoot | StuckMojo: as will abcde + cdrecord |
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| 12:20.06 | davis | cdda2wav goes from audio cd to wav |
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| 12:20.17 | davis | abcde is creating wav files for me already. |
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| 12:20.23 | scanwinder | liable: because im having trouble using my wireless card while my usb card is in and the usb card sits ontop of wireless, im wondering if its stuffing up the signal.............and getting into my bios isnt particularly easy on my laptop |
| 12:20.31 | davis | do I need wav2cdaudio, or should I just cdrecord? |
| 12:20.39 | liable | r3tex: dpkg -l udev |
| 12:20.41 | cahoot | davis: just burn those using cdrecord |
| 12:20.42 | StuckMojo | davis audio cd is wav |
| 12:20.47 | davis | ok. |
| 12:20.49 | StuckMojo | er...disregard that |
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| 12:21.12 | liable | scanwinder: no idea, i dont use pcmcia, but why is getting into bios hard? |
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| 12:21.29 | K_Dallas | hi guys! i have got the dvd-images and need to burn them but since i have had bad experiences burning cd-images under windows, I wanted to see if burning dvd-images with nero would cause me similar problems? thanks |
| 12:21.43 | davis | cdrecord dev=0,1 -v -dao -audio -useinfo -text *.wav? |
| 12:21.51 | scanwinder | liable: my laptop needs to boot off a floppy i dont have to do it...............i know it sounds weird...but its true.............. |
| 12:21.57 | StuckMojo | davis apt-cache show cdda2wav. it can just dump them as cdr |
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| 12:22.55 | scanwinder | liable: even then i dont think i can do it in the bios, its like you have not much control over stuff in it..........................its a really ancient laptop.,....must have been how they did stuff back then |
| 12:23.07 | dregan_ | What is the default email server installed with Debian? |
| 12:23.12 | davis | exim |
| 12:23.15 | StuckMojo | davis here's what i use to burn mp3s to cd: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Z2HCMn13.html |
| 12:23.24 | davis | looking |
| 12:23.56 | StuckMojo | i run prepdao in the folder with the mp3s, then burndao to burn it. |
| 12:24.08 | StuckMojo | that burns a disk with no 2 second gaps between files |
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| 12:24.42 | StuckMojo | you could use that to figure out how to do it if you already had cdr format (i.e. you extracted using cdda2wav) |
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| 12:25.03 | davis | cdrdao, is that similar to cdrecord? |
| 12:25.04 | StuckMojo | davis nerolinux is nice though |
| 12:25.04 | r3tex | liable: yeah it's installed and it's in the rc files, it should work if that's the case? |
| 12:25.06 | seeeS | i use abcde |
| 12:25.14 | r3tex | liable: and i saw no complaints? |
| 12:25.18 | davis | i bought nero for my windows box |
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| 12:25.27 | StuckMojo | davis yeah, but it burnd in disk at once mode. cdrecord didn't use to be able to do that (it can now) |
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| 12:26.01 | liable | r3tex: yes, but beware, there are a few issues with it.. |
| 12:26.08 | r3tex | liable: with udev? |
| 12:26.14 | davis | it looks like you are calling the mpg123 program to acgtually write to your cd a track at a time. is that right? |
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| 12:26.32 | StuckMojo | mpg123 to convert from mp3 to cdr |
| 12:26.42 | StuckMojo | aka cdda |
| 12:26.50 | StuckMojo | IIRC that's just wav |
| 12:26.57 | StuckMojo | or pretty damn close |
| 12:27.01 | Guerin | yup |
| 12:27.03 | liable | r3tex: for some background.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325484 |
| 12:27.11 | darkness | Am i right in saying using sshd set up as rsa keys then when the shell user connects and is accepted into the hosts.allow file then they can connect at any other time without a passwd? |
| 12:27.29 | Guerin | darkness: not quite. |
| 12:27.55 | seeeS | what is the best mp3 encoded btw, is it still lame? |
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| 12:28.02 | darkness | Guerin: I only ask as i changed someones passwd and yet they still had access? |
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| 12:28.33 | eolo | hi guys, i'm doing a security online test...!! it's very funny for a newbie as i am, but now idon't know how to go ahead someone can help me with command separator exploit in bash? |
| 12:28.37 | sep | darkness, check /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 12:28.51 | Guerin | darkness: if they have the keys set up properly, the password doesn't get checked. |
| 12:28.52 | sep | darkness, if there is a key there they could still have access |
| 12:28.55 | Guerin | !ssh without password |
| 12:28.56 | dpkg | well, ssh without passwd is (1) on the client: ssh-keygen -t rsa (2) append the contents of the client's ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the server's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (3) on the client: make sure 'Protocol 2' or 'Protocol 2,1' is in ~/.ssh/config or /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 12:29.43 | Guerin | just changing a passwrod is a very half-arsed way of denying someone access |
| 12:30.23 | eolo | the server is from learn security online |
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| 12:30.34 | liable | r3tex: sorry, wrong one, try this one.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317332 actually, just check bts for general udev issues, particularly supposedly resolved bugs.. |
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| 12:30.51 | Guerin | eolo: wtf? |
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| 12:31.03 | davis | cdrecord -v dev=ATA:1,0,0 -cuefile=cue.txt -text -dao |
| 12:31.05 | r3tex | liable: Linus thinks we should switch and resolve bugs now =] |
| 12:31.06 | Starf^Work | errr, runnin the netinst cdrom of debian 3.1 stable and its got to the bit where its asking me for a hostname for the system, its prompted me with the machine name it used to have when it was a windows box, how would it know this? |
| 12:31.12 | cahoot | darkness: you can use AllowUsers to explicitly list those that you want to allow access for |
| 12:31.14 | Guerin | eolo: nobody is going to help you with exploits. |
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| 12:31.30 | davis | where cue.txt is created with abced -M. think that iwll work? |
| 12:31.36 | liable | r3tex: well, thats all good, read some of those bugs. |
| 12:31.42 | cahoot | darkness: all others will be denied access |
| 12:31.52 | Guerin | Starf^Work: how was the windows name assigned? |
| 12:32.06 | Starf^Work | manually from the machine |
| 12:32.08 | Starf^Work | lol |
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| 12:32.14 | darkness | Guerin: I was just testing something.It does however work fine via ssh rsa keys authentication. I was thinking about using rssh. |
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| 12:32.20 | hackeron_ | any ideas about this ldap problem? http://rafb.net/paste/results/yKPUaL21.html |
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| 12:32.28 | Guerin | hackeron_: #ldap |
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| 12:32.56 | hackeron_ | Guerin: oh, thanks, I was trying #openldap :) |
| 12:33.02 | eolo | it's an already fixed exploit of bash and it's on a server to teach security: https://www.learnsecurityonline.com/index.php?_o=demo&_m=Challenge |
| 12:33.04 | littleball | hello, how to replace the TAB in vi? |
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| 12:33.27 | Guerin | hackeron_: that's probably a good place too. in any case, #debian is the wrong place. |
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| 12:33.28 | Starf^Work | is there also any benefits over selecting the desktop machine partitioning scheme over all files on one partition? |
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| 12:33.42 | jethro | eolo: whatever it is, it's not off topic for #debian. feel free to ask somewhere else |
| 12:33.47 | jethro | s/not off/off/ |
| 12:33.51 | Guerin | eolo: #security might help |
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| 12:34.00 | Starf^Work | eolo: #linux may help, or they may not |
| 12:34.05 | hackeron_ | Guerin: nah, that place is empty, I do agree #debian isnt the best place. Although I was recommended #ldap here, so its a dilemma :) -- thanks btw. |
| 12:34.07 | littleball | %s/TAB/xxx/gc |
| 12:34.08 | littleball | ? |
| 12:34.20 | Guerin | basically, asking about help for exploits, old or not, iss poor form |
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| 12:34.32 | Starf^Work | lol and you not learning very much if we tell you |
| 12:34.49 | Starf^Work | google/yahoo/metacrawler/msn/turbo10 are your friends |
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| 12:34.54 | jethro | eolo: but you will hardly find someone willing to help you with exploiting stuff |
| 12:35.08 | eolo | thanks Guerin |
| 12:35.10 | asperon | when i try to start cyrus on my newly upgraded system, i get DBERROR db3: /var/lib/cyrus/db/__db.001: Permission denied i have check, and that file belongs to cyrus.mail, this then goes on to a couple of permission denied errors, all of which are owned by cyrus. as a side note find gives me a /proc bad hard link count, can these two be related somehow? |
| 12:35.15 | Starf^Work | is there also any benefits over selecting the desktop machine partitioning scheme over all files on one partition? |
| 12:35.18 | r3tex | what program do you use to read PDF in debian? |
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| 12:35.26 | furbsd | i have bunch of r00, r01, r02 ... files, how to extract them |
| 12:35.32 | Starf^Work | rar |
| 12:35.40 | Starf^Work | they are rar part files |
| 12:35.41 | Guerin | !unrar] |
| 12:35.46 | Starf^Work | lol |
| 12:35.46 | Guerin | !unrar |
| 12:35.47 | dpkg | [unrar] a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
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| 12:35.49 | furbsd | unrar said no patch to find |
| 12:35.49 | Blissex | r3tex: several, usually one uses 'xpdf' |
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| 12:35.57 | furbsd | no file to extract |
| 12:36.03 | r3tex | ah ok, acroread is to "evil" i suppose ;) |
| 12:36.14 | Starf^Work | which file you try to open? |
| 12:36.15 | furbsd | unrar x file.rar |
| 12:36.20 | furbsd | thats what i type |
| 12:36.23 | Guerin | furbsd: use unrar-nonfree |
| 12:36.33 | Guerin | or whatever the non-free version is |
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| 12:36.46 | snaak | how to install apt on non debian distribution |
| 12:36.48 | Guerin | hell, there's even a statically-linked executable on the author's site |
| 12:36.49 | snaak | like centos ? |
| 12:37.00 | liable | snaak: ask in #centos? |
| 12:37.05 | jethro | snaak: ask centos support channel, not #debian |
| 12:37.14 | Guerin | snaak: no idea. Ask the makers of that distribution, or grab the source tarball and start installing. |
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| 12:37.25 | Phr0zenKore | how do i get the effect of .Xinitrc in GDM? |
| 12:37.29 | Guerin | snaak: apt4rpm should be available on centos |
| 12:37.34 | scanwinder | how do i mount a partition so that normal users can read and write to it? |
| 12:37.37 | Guerin | Phr0zenKore: /etc/gdm/* |
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| 12:37.52 | Guerin | scanwinder: filesystem? |
| 12:37.53 | snaak | i installed apt with yum |
| 12:38.06 | scanwinder | Guerin: FAT32 |
| 12:38.07 | Phr0zenKore | thankies again |
| 12:38.07 | Phr0zenKore | ^^ |
| 12:38.09 | Guerin | snaak: don't tell us, we don't care. |
| 12:38.10 | snaak | but it doesn;t work at all |
| 12:38.13 | Guerin | !vfatrw |
| 12:38.13 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 12:38.31 | Guerin | snaak: sounds pretty typical to me |
| 12:38.31 | snaak | :) but it;s related to debian as i meed it ;) |
| 12:38.31 | liable | snaak: please go elsewhere, we dont know about other distro's. |
| 12:38.43 | snaak | ok ok |
| 12:39.01 | Guerin | snaak: it's as related to debian as asking for anaconda support in #redhat is about redhat |
| 12:39.04 | Guerin | ie: it's not |
| 12:39.04 | jethro | liable: even if we did, #debian isn't the appropriate place :) |
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| 12:39.21 | jhaig | Any idea how much disk space would you need to install the entire Debian distribution (ie, everything on all 14 disks)? I'm not going to do it, just curious. |
| 12:39.28 | Guerin | jhaig: impossible. |
| 12:39.33 | sep | jhaig, impossible some things conflict |
| 12:39.38 | snaak | ok what after i install synaptic on debian , how i can mange it |
| 12:39.47 | snaak | to install new packages |
| 12:39.48 | sep | jhaig, try ? :) |
| 12:39.53 | Guerin | !dstats sarge |
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| 12:40.05 | liable | jethro: yeah, it was figuratively speaking :) |
| 12:40.10 | jethro | snaak: man synaptic? |
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| 12:40.19 | Guerin | snaak: read the documentation. And don't pretend you're using debian. |
| 12:40.19 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 12:40.24 | jethro | @annoy liable |
| 12:40.25 | ravenbird | liable: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 12:40.27 | Guerin | jhaig: ~30G |
| 12:40.33 | liable | heh |
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| 12:40.48 | furbsd | pwd |
| 12:40.57 | furbsd | oops |
| 12:41.03 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.04 | sep | !dstats sid |
| 12:41.05 | asg | furbsd: you are <---------------- here |
| 12:41.12 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17194 packages, 1593 maintainers, 34117 MB installed size, 10907 MB compressed size. |
| 12:41.17 | jhaig | Thanks. I'll probably not try it though. |
| 12:41.21 | furbsd | ahaha |
| 12:41.27 | sep | a few more packages there...:) |
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| 12:41.49 | asg | liable: pwd is print working directory |
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| 12:42.18 | snaak | Guerin: im testing all distors im runing all in a vitrual machine |
| 12:42.23 | liable | a well, it sounded funny at the time i wrote it.. |
| 12:42.28 | Bluemangroup | hi together |
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| 12:42.33 | snaak | as im new 2 linux and want to discover all |
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| 12:43.32 | Bluemangroup | got a question... whats could be the minimalest Debian Installation with X and a XManager? |
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| 12:43.34 | Starf^Work | whats the 2.6 stable kernel version atm? |
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| 12:43.51 | jm_ | Starf^Work: www.kernel.org will tell you |
| 12:43.56 | Starf^Work | ta |
| 12:43.56 | mops | I have more pkgs(in .deb) that depend on each other |
| 12:43.57 | resiak | Starf^Work: Why not look at ker... jm_ wins! |
| 12:44.01 | mops | how can I install them? |
| 12:44.05 | resiak | mops: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 12:44.09 | mops | becuase when I run dpkg -i on them |
| 12:44.15 | mops | there is error.... |
| 12:44.21 | jm_ | mops: /msg dpkg enter |
| 12:44.31 | Bluemangroup | oops... will be back later |
| 12:44.34 | jhaig | Bluemangroup: I think you always get twm when you install X. |
| 12:44.36 | resiak | mops: (assuming they're all in one directory, you're `cd`ed to that directory, and that there are no other debs in that directory.) |
| 12:44.41 | Starf^Work | so kernel version is independent of the debian stable release |
| 12:44.48 | resiak | jhaig: If you install x-window-system, yes. If you install x-window-system-core |
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| 12:45.02 | jm_ | no, Debian has its own kernel versions for stable releases |
| 12:45.04 | resiak | Starf^Work: Not in Sarge. Sarge's 2.6 is 2.6.8, and will always be.p |
| 12:45.16 | Starf^Work | resiak, thats what i wanted to know |
| 12:45.21 | ldexter_ | anybody running KDE 3.4 on debian testing? |
| 12:45.40 | Starf^Work | when i said stale version i meant debian stable version not hte stable kernel version |
| 12:45.43 | mops | resiak: but on each package, there is an error - dependencies not satisfied |
| 12:45.48 | Starf^Work | ldexter, running it on sid |
| 12:46.03 | mops | resiak: and when I run dpkg *.deb, it is w/o change |
| 12:46.05 | EdLin | Starf^Work: of course, the 2.6.8 kernel of Sarge will get backported security patches sometimes. |
| 12:46.31 | K_Dallas | hi guys! i have got the dvd-images and need to burn them but since i have had bad experiences burning cd-images under windows, I wanted to see if burning dvd-images with nero would cause me similar problems? thanks |
| 12:46.42 | resiak | mops: put all the debs in one directory, and paste the output of `ls` and `dpkg -i *.deb` onto a pasteboard. |
| 12:47.00 | eolo | jethro as i told it's an already fixed bash exploit (august 1996) so it's really harmless. and the server is a challenge server see www.learnsecurityonline.com |
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| 12:47.22 | Starf^Work | EdLin, should i add the security links to the apt sources list? |
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| 12:47.29 | ircops | yo yo yo |
| 12:47.37 | Starf^Work | oh its ok the netinst has already done that |
| 12:47.42 | xst | I have installed ntpdate and ntp-simple. If I restart ntpdate the time is syncronized OK. But after a couple of days the clock is 10-15 minutes ahead. Restarting ntpdate re-syncronizes the time to match again. But why is the time running to fast? What can I do? |
| 12:48.14 | jm_ | xst: run ntpd |
| 12:48.48 | liable | see ya's |
| 12:49.08 | mops | resiak: I'm compiling it in this moment |
| 12:49.33 | mops | resiak: that pkgs are apache2, and related |
| 12:49.59 | resiak | mops: Why not install apache2 with apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork ? |
| 12:50.37 | Guerin | bah |
| 12:50.43 | xst | jm_: But ntpd is running already |
| 12:51.07 | Guerin | if you're going to compile stuff on debian, apache is an incredibly stupid thing to compile |
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| 12:51.41 | resiak | Guerin: Hey, stop treading on my help :) |
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| 12:51.51 | mops | resiak: I'm compiling custom version |
| 12:52.04 | Guerin | resiak: i was telling people not to compile apache before you were even born! |
| 12:52.09 | resiak | mops: Why? |
| 12:52.18 | resiak | Guerin: I see. |
| 12:52.18 | mops | resiak: and I want to learn it, because I will probably will need it |
| 12:52.29 | mops | resiak: with apache2, and with sql I think |
| 12:52.40 | Guerin | bah |
| 12:52.43 | jm_ | xst: maybe its configuration is not OK then |
| 12:52.45 | Guerin | use slackware |
| 12:52.49 | mops | resiak: why not to experiment? |
| 12:52.51 | mops | guerin: me? |
| 12:52.55 | Guerin | then you get to do everything by hand |
| 12:52.58 | Guerin | mops: yeah. |
| 12:53.10 | Guerin | mops: this is not a debian problem. Go ask #apache |
| 12:53.28 | resiak | mops: Why not just install apache2, mysql, etc from apt and make life easy for yourself? |
| 12:54.23 | Starf^Work | can you do a software raid one setup with debian? |
| 12:54.32 | Starf^Work | liek windows dynamic disks |
| 12:54.57 | resiak | Yes. |
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| 12:55.15 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:55.22 | r3tex | is there a point to having gr-security patches and selinux at the same time? |
| 12:55.33 | BlueSmurf | Your PHP installation does not support PostgreSQL. You need to recompile PHP using the --with-pgsql configure option. |
| 12:55.44 | BlueSmurf | Please tell me its not true! |
| 12:55.51 | asg | r3tex: grsecurity adds some protection that selinux doesn't have. |
| 12:55.55 | js_ | BlueSmurf: install php4-pgsql |
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| 12:56.05 | BlueSmurf | i have php4-pgsql installed |
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| 12:56.21 | asg | BlueSmurf: make sure that extension=pgsql.so is in /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
| 12:56.21 | BlueSmurf | js_: maybe its just not configured. |
| 12:56.29 | BlueSmurf | asg: great, thanks. |
| 12:56.51 | BLooTze | gud evening everyone |
| 12:57.18 | BLooTze | can i ask for help in here? |
| 12:57.26 | jethro | !tell BLooTze -about ask |
| 12:57.38 | BlueSmurf | asg: yes, it is... mmm what else could it be ? |
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| 12:57.47 | mops | bllotze: not ask whether you can ask, just ask |
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| 12:58.02 | asg | BlueSmurf: did you restart apache? did you clear your browser cache? |
| 12:58.25 | asg | BlueSmurf: also, is this apache2 or apache1.3? |
| 12:58.34 | BLooTze | just that where can i get the package libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 |
| 12:58.40 | asg | BlueSmurf: if the former, verify the extentsion is in /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini, etc. |
| 12:58.46 | jm_ | !tell BLooTze -about search |
| 12:58.47 | BLooTze | its no longer in the 3.1 cds |
| 12:58.56 | asg | !redhat crap |
| 12:58.56 | dpkg | redhat crap is, like, 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid), or ** NEW redhat crap! If you're missing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3, it's in woody's libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 package (get it from oldstable/woody archives since it's obsolete) |
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| 12:59.57 | BLooTze | ..!/msg ??? find <thing> <- bot who |
| 12:59.58 | BlueSmurf | asg: it is apache2 |
| 13:00.13 | xst | Hmm, shouldn't I be able to test if an ntp-server is available by telnetting to port 123? E.g. by checking the results of "telnet my.ntp.server.com 123"? |
| 13:00.16 | asg | BlueSmurf: did you check the extension is also in /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini? |
| 13:00.17 | Starf^Work | is there a debian package for phpbb? |
| 13:00.26 | seeeS | xst: ntp is udp |
| 13:00.27 | Starf^Work | i woudl apt-cache but its running atm |
| 13:00.28 | asg | !tell BLooTze about redhat crap |
| 13:00.39 | jm_ | xst: NTP is UDP |
| 13:00.39 | Starf^Work | !tell Starf^Work about redhat crap |
| 13:00.40 | BLooTze | fuck i hate redhat... |
| 13:00.44 | jm_ | ahh :P |
| 13:00.53 | ircops | hey how do you list all processes and their processor usage without using top? |
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| 13:01.01 | Guerin | ircops: htop |
| 13:01.03 | asg | BLooTze: just the name of the factoid; what it contains, however, is useful to your problem |
| 13:01.04 | xst | Seees: Ok. How do I check that? I mean: How can I verify that it is up'n'running? |
| 13:01.08 | ircops | k |
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| 13:01.15 | lars | Hi all |
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| 13:01.18 | BlueSmurf | asg: hehe, ok, i checked and it was apache,... not apache2 ... gonna fix it, thanks again. |
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| 13:01.21 | BLooTze | dpkdg <- botname |
| 13:01.24 | ircops | Guerin: htop not found |
| 13:01.28 | asg | BLooTze: yes |
| 13:01.35 | asg | BLooTze: dpkg that is |
| 13:01.38 | seeeS | xst: you could try to run ntpdate on it |
| 13:01.39 | Guerin | !installit |
| 13:01.39 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 13:01.44 | r3tex | asg: so se-linux and gr-security are not mutually exclusive |
| 13:01.45 | lars | is there a program on linux to create website's ? |
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| 13:01.53 | seeeS | vim! |
| 13:01.56 | r3tex | asg: anything else i should patch with? |
| 13:02.00 | Guerin | lars: any text editor will do |
| 13:02.04 | asg | r3tex: no. I've never tried to use both patchsets myself so ymmv |
| 13:02.13 | ircops | Guerin: something is taking up a lot of processing power constantly... top won't open, and I don't know what the process is but I can't restart because I have daemons running that are in use |
| 13:02.14 | lars | oki doki :) |
| 13:02.15 | BLooTze | hmmm tnx for the redhat crap... |
| 13:02.22 | seeeS | nopy, only vim will do, or vi at a pinch |
| 13:02.27 | ircops | top won't open=just hangs |
| 13:02.48 | seeeS | ps can tell you load too |
| 13:03.21 | Guerin | ircops: ps aux |
| 13:03.26 | BLooTze | tnx... just a newbie with debian though... sorry! |
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| 13:04.49 | seeeS | is the redhat crap to do with installing some commercial packages? |
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| 13:05.08 | beardy | lars: many editors have html and php editing modes, such as emacs or vim, jed and so on. If you're looking for something wysiwyg-like.. have a look at quanta, bluefish, 'apt-cache search web development or something. Remember to check that what you get out of them follow standards though. |
| 13:05.08 | asg | seeeS: yes |
| 13:05.15 | seeeS | it sounded like that |
| 13:05.30 | BlueSmurf | asg: where dio I see how apache loads the php.ini file ? |
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| 13:05.49 | seeeS | bluesmurf: the apache php module does it |
| 13:06.00 | hate29 | I use modprobe emu10k1 to cfg my sound card but when i reboot i have to do it again what's wrong? |
| 13:06.14 | seeeS | some versions of apache/modules you need to explcitly stop and start apache for it to have an effect |
| 13:06.23 | Guerin | hate29: echo emu10k1 >> /etc/modules |
| 13:06.30 | BlueSmurf | seeeS, the php4.load file in mods-available ? |
| 13:06.41 | asg | BlueSmurf: php loads it. Make sure you have libapache2-mod-php4 installed and configured. |
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| 13:07.01 | hate29 | Guerin: thx |
| 13:07.15 | seeeS | nopy, php4.load loads the module. the module loads the ini |
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| 13:07.42 | BlueSmurf | asg: asg: ok, it wasnt. So im installing that now. |
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| 13:07.59 | quiet | Hey! I'm guessing the slow security speed got fixed, yes? |
| 13:08.04 | seeeS | bbl. time for a son to get to sleep |
| 13:08.12 | Guerin | quiet: does s.d.o seem slow to you? |
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| 13:08.23 | quiet | I'm not at a Deb. box right now. |
| 13:08.27 | BlueSmurf | seeeS, thanks, seeya. |
| 13:08.37 | quiet | I just wanted to update my topic if it is fixed. |
| 13:08.39 | Guerin | quiet: unnecessary |
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| 13:09.13 | johaBBa | will debian resize an ntfs partition during install and let me install in the free space? |
| 13:09.34 | nkuttler | johaBBa: no |
| 13:09.43 | johaBBa | nkuttler, thx |
| 13:09.55 | beardy | johaBBa: You have to do that yourself, before installing. |
| 13:10.24 | nkuttler | hm, afaik there are no free (beer) tools to resize ntfs, are there? |
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| 13:10.25 | quiet | johaBBa, you can boot with a SUSE install disc, resize it, then cancel the install :) |
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| 13:10.36 | johaBBa | beardy, yeah, i tried that with qparted on System Rescue CD and the grub install in the deb installer keeps failing |
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| 13:10.59 | johaBBa | nkuttler, quite a few actually |
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| 13:11.35 | johaBBa | quiet, hrm....i could try that...i think i have a 9.3 disk some where |
| 13:11.40 | quiet | :) |
| 13:11.57 | beardy | johaBBa: Hmm, qtparted should work fine, I've used it, on System Rescue CD, severeal times.. what is failing exactly? |
| 13:12.05 | beardy | nkuttler: Yes there is. |
| 13:12.18 | johaBBa | beardy, ah....well, i have an HP that comes with windows.... |
| 13:12.31 | johaBBa | beardy, popped in SRCD |
| 13:12.31 | tzafrir_laptop | Guerin, regarding the rate of security updates: I figure you've read http://lwn.net/Articles/152495/ |
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| 13:12.36 | beardy | johaBBa: Did you defrag the partition in windows first? |
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| 13:12.49 | johaBBa | beardy, before running qparted? |
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| 13:12.59 | beardy | johaBBa: And after you have resized, boot windows to let it run a fsck of the ntfs filesystem. |
| 13:13.06 | nkuttler | nice, i can throw away my last warez cd |
| 13:13.08 | beardy | johaBBa: Yes, defrag before resizing. |
| 13:13.11 | johaBBa | beardy, ah....yeah, it ran that |
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| 13:13.19 | johaBBa | beardy, but i didn't do a defrag before |
| 13:13.25 | quittt | well |
| 13:13.27 | quittt | now I am free |
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| 13:13.53 | johaBBa | beardy, now when grub tries to install on the mbr...it gives me the red screen during install and says grub installation failed |
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| 13:13.57 | beardy | johaBBa: Well, it should move stuff away, but it's good to always do a defrag anyway. |
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| 13:14.23 | quittt | what hell is /selinux ?? |
| 13:14.28 | beardy | johaBBa: Does it give any reason to why it failed? |
| 13:14.31 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: relevance? |
| 13:14.37 | Guerin | quittt: fgi |
| 13:14.37 | beardy | !selinux |
| 13:14.37 | dpkg | it has been said that selinux is the NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. |
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| 13:15.02 | johaBBa | beardy, i'll start it up again and give the exact error...but the red page wasn't descriptive |
| 13:15.07 | quittt | Guerin, hi |
| 13:15.18 | quittt | Guerin, can you have a look at my dmesg? |
| 13:15.21 | quittt | I dont know much about kernel |
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| 13:15.27 | beardy | johaBBa: And you have booted windows, and let it check the ntfs fs? And it worked fine? |
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| 13:15.30 | Guerin | quittt: no. |
| 13:15.40 | Guerin | quittt: does your machine work as expected? |
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| 13:15.47 | quittt | ok |
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| 13:15.55 | Guerin | if not, specify what's wrong and we'll look at that |
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| 13:15.59 | johaBBa | beardy, yeah, windows checked the disk after resize and i can boot and use it fine |
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| 13:16.07 | quittt | only stupid people answer questions with other questions... |
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| 13:16.14 | Guerin | if it works, don't fuck with it, and don't freak out about warnings |
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| 13:16.22 | Guerin | quittt: why do you think that? |
| 13:16.28 | beardy | johaBBa: Do as you said then, try again, and try to give us any error msg, or other helpful information. |
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| 13:16.36 | johaBBa | beardy, debian install partitioned it OK...just won't do the grub install on mbr nor first debian partition |
| 13:17.02 | johaBBa | beardy, will do...should just be a few secs |
| 13:17.41 | beardy | johaBBa: I'm in no way a grub expert, perhaps someone else knows what to do.. |
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| 13:19.29 | eguzkia | someone can say to me why i cannot use glx driver with my nvidia? |
| 13:19.47 | eguzkia | there is a reason? |
| 13:19.51 | eguzkia | someone can help me? |
| 13:19.53 | emRick | does the latest wget still have that 2G barrier problem? |
| 13:19.56 | quittt | eguzkia, what do you mean |
| 13:20.01 | jm_ | no there's no reason, it just decided not to work |
| 13:20.07 | jm_ | what kind of stupid question is that? |
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| 13:20.19 | eguzkia | quittt: i have installed nvidia driver |
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| 13:20.34 | eguzkia | quittt: but for some problem i can't use it |
| 13:20.43 | johaBBa | beardy, ok... |
| 13:20.51 | eguzkia | quittt: nvidia-glx for 3d graphics |
| 13:20.57 | beardy | johaBBa: How's it going? |
| 13:20.59 | eguzkia | quittt: do you know? |
| 13:21.00 | blank_ | is it just me or is the klibido package broken ? |
| 13:21.01 | blank_ | on sif |
| 13:21.01 | blank_ | sid* |
| 13:21.11 | johaBBa | beardy, installing debian base system |
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| 13:21.22 | johaBBa | beardy, re partitioning went OK just now |
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| 13:22.07 | Guerin | eguzkia: how did you install it? |
| 13:22.10 | eguzkia | someone have nvidia |
| 13:22.26 | eguzkia | Guerin: synaptic |
| 13:22.56 | johaBBa | eguzkia, i do on my laptop, but i made a custom kernel and used nvidia binary from nvidia.com |
| 13:22.58 | Guerin | !nvidia one-liner |
| 13:22.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 13:23.13 | Guerin | eguzkia: don't do what johaBBa says; do the one-liner |
| 13:23.47 | eguzkia | Guerin: what is one-liner |
| 13:23.48 | johaBBa | beardy, running grub-install on (hd0) |
| 13:24.06 | beardy | eguzkia: It is what dpkg told you, a few lines up. |
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| 13:24.26 | eguzkia | beardy: ok sorry i'm a newbie |
| 13:25.09 | johaBBa | beardy, it's probing bois drives..... |
| 13:25.17 | johaBBa | s/bois/bios |
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| 13:26.03 | johaBBa | beardy, error is 'cannot create temp file for here document: Read-only file system" |
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| 13:26.14 | ircops | damn...had to end up doing poweroff... ps aux was hanging even |
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| 13:26.32 | beardy | johaBBa: Which installer are you using? |
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| 13:26.48 | eguzkia | Guerin: ok i have done the "apt-..." and now can you help me just a asecond? |
| 13:26.57 | beardy | johaBBa: Sounds like something that shouldn't happen.. |
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| 13:27.16 | DrZoot | hey all, have a box with stable on it and i want to use it as a distcc client with a bunch of unstable boxes is there a backport of gcc 4 or some other way to get gcc 4 into the stable box? |
| 13:27.33 | Guerin | eguzkia: do the whole thing. If it fails at some point, do it again. |
| 13:27.34 | johaBBa | beardy, indeed. how to i find which version? it installs sarge |
| 13:27.43 | pabloz | h |
| 13:27.44 | Guerin | eguzkia: it should end with a blue configuration screen |
| 13:27.54 | beardy | johaBBa: Where did you download it? exact url if remember |
| 13:27.58 | beardy | if you |
| 13:28.25 | eguzkia | Guerin: yes but it say that i have to take root privilege... |
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| 13:28.43 | beardy | johaBBa: Or, what's the name of the iso file from which you burned it? |
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| 13:29.02 | johaBBa | beardy, debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 13:29.09 | eguzkia | Guerin: ok i have done it with root user |
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| 13:29.26 | johaBBa | beardy, d/led on Sep 13 2005 |
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| 13:29.43 | beardy | johaBBa: Should be fine then.. |
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| 13:30.02 | quittt | eguzkia, ahhh |
| 13:30.04 | quittt | !nvidia |
| 13:30.04 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 13:30.06 | quittt | yep that is it Guerin =D |
| 13:30.08 | quittt | do that and it will work perfectly |
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| 13:30.12 | johaBBa | beardy, http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 13:30.15 | ircops | DrZoot: you could try apt-pinning but that's kind of dangerous (especially with gcc) |
| 13:30.20 | eguzkia | quittt: what |
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| 13:30.42 | quittt | eguzkia, is it to play Quake? |
| 13:30.44 | quittt | hehehe great game |
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| 13:31.07 | DrZoot | ircops: i had a look at doing that but then it wanted to upgrade libc and stdlibs and i didnt think that would be good |
| 13:31.10 | S4nD3r | Hi there. Is possible to deny SSH access to a boring user ??? |
| 13:31.13 | Guerin | DrZoot: backport. |
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| 13:31.28 | Guerin | S4nD3r: you cut someone's login because they bore you? |
| 13:31.31 | ircops | DrZoot: probably not |
| 13:31.33 | Guerin | S4nD3r: man sshd_config |
| 13:31.34 | DrZoot | Guerin: any hints where i might find that? ive looked at backports.org |
| 13:31.35 | eguzkia | sorry after the "apt-.." what i have do? |
| 13:31.43 | Guerin | !simple sid backport |
| 13:31.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 13:31.52 | eguzkia | now is still working on apt-... |
| 13:32.11 | S4nD3r | Guerin, because the user is trying to hack the server |
| 13:32.11 | Guerin | eguzkia: if that finishes cleanly, you should have to restart X |
| 13:32.29 | Guerin | S4nD3r: what do you mean by 'boring' then? |
| 13:32.35 | DrZoot | Guerin: it sounds so simple when the bot says it :) |
| 13:32.45 | ircops | lol |
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| 13:33.10 | Guerin | DrZoot: it really is that simple - barring packages which simply won't build for some reason. gcc ought not be one of those. |
| 13:33.24 | DrZoot | Guerin: ill give it a try |
| 13:33.28 | beardy | johaBBa: You have the real installer then. Should work.. what kind of drive are you installing on? (not that it should matter..) |
| 13:33.44 | eguzkia | Guerin: sorry but i have to write also this: /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:33.58 | eguzkia | Guerin: is this necessary? |
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| 13:34.03 | beardy | johaBBa: If all else fails, try lilo instead perhaps? |
| 13:34.06 | johaBBa | beardy, 80GB ATA |
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| 13:34.29 | johaBBa | beardy, i think it may have something to do with the HP image...HP gives an image cd instead of an OS install cd like Dell. |
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| 13:34.44 | johaBBa | beardy, resizing an imaged disk may be what's screwing things up. |
| 13:34.59 | beardy | johaBBa: Hmm, perhaps your partition table is strange then, or something like that.. |
| 13:35.02 | S4nD3r | I guess so. I will try the DenyUsers <username> |
| 13:35.06 | S4nD3r | I hope this works |
| 13:35.11 | johaBBa | that's what i'm thinking... |
| 13:35.28 | johaBBa | damned HP. i'd like to install the OS how i want...not have to resize it. |
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| 13:35.54 | eguzkia | Guerin: hello |
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| 13:36.11 | johaBBa | beardy, i'm just going to re image and add another HD |
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| 13:36.45 | beardy | johaBBa: If you have another HD, thatäs probably the easiest way yes. But if you are going to reimage, try lilo first? |
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| 13:36.59 | johaBBa | beardy, with that i can use the winxp boot loader and install grub on the 2nd HD |
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| 13:37.04 | johaBBa | beardy, yeah, i'll do that |
| 13:37.49 | johaBBa | beardy, i've done this before...just not with an imaged disk...the othere systems i did had windoze installed manually by me. |
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| 13:38.22 | beardy | johaBBa: Ok, yeah, it probably has something to do with that.. I can't think of any other reason anyway.. |
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| 13:39.30 | S4nD3r | How do I kill all processs from a user |
| 13:39.45 | nkuttler | S4nD3r: slay |
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| 13:40.07 | beardy | johaBBa: But the error you got seemed not to imply that, it meant that it didn't have any writeable filesystem where the grub installer could store a temporary file.. oh well. |
| 13:40.18 | Guerin | eguzkia: you have to do THE WHOLE LINE |
| 13:40.19 | eguzkia | sorry doesen't work: /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:40.27 | Guerin | as one line |
| 13:40.28 | johaBBa | beardy, hrm.... |
| 13:40.30 | eguzkia | Guerin: sorry doesen't work: /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:40.40 | Guerin | !nvidia one-liner |
| 13:40.40 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 13:40.53 | eguzkia | Guerin: /etc/modules: command not found |
| 13:40.59 | trito | hola? |
| 13:41.04 | beardy | !es |
| 13:41.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:41.05 | Guerin | do the whole thing, starting from apt ... ending with reconfigure |
| 13:41.11 | Guerin | eguzkia: you're doing it wrong |
| 13:41.15 | trito | tic tac? |
| 13:41.18 | nkuttler | eguzkia: that command starts with echo nvidia |
| 13:41.28 | Guerin | bah |
| 13:41.44 | Guerin | starting from apt-get and ending with xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:41.45 | johaBBa | beardy, hrm...maybe i should use SRCD to partition and create filesystems... |
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| 13:41.56 | applecidervinega | Has anyone here ever done a remote install of Debian? I've done them successfully before, but I'm running into problems this time. |
| 13:41.56 | berzerka | hey guys, is there a way to print a lot of pdf documents in one action, like: lp pdf2ps *.pdf ? |
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| 13:42.22 | ltyphair | S4nD3r: ps -ef | grep <user> | awk '{print $2;}' | xargs -i -t sudo -u root kill -9 {} |
| 13:42.23 | eguzkia | Guerin: is ended with FATAL: Module amd_k7_agp not found. |
| 13:42.23 | eguzkia | FATAL: Module intel_agp is in use. |
| 13:42.23 | eguzkia | FATAL: Module amd_k7_agp not found. |
| 13:42.54 | beardy | johaBBa: Perhaps, since you have an image/backup of the drive, you can try that. And hope that qtparted rewrites the entire partition table, if that is what causes your problems.. |
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| 13:43.03 | Guerin | bah |
| 13:43.59 | applecidervinega | while running dpkg-reconfigure --install base-config the system says that it has run out of space while downloading the package lists. I have edited /etc/apt/apt.conf and set the APT::Cache-Limit 1000000000; |
| 13:43.59 | applecidervinega | No matter what size I set, it always dies on the same package (qt3-assistant). I have even tried changing the sources.list with teh same result. |
| 13:44.08 | furbsd | any rtorrent user |
| 13:44.29 | nkuttler | applecidervinega: you did an upgrade from woody to sarge? |
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| 13:44.47 | sgeigerbot | applecidervinega: Is your disk full? |
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| 13:45.01 | applecidervinega | I'm trying to do a remote install using a smaller base to start. I'm trying to get *to* woody. |
| 13:45.06 | ltyphair | berzerka: use xargs and pipes, like: ls *.pdf | xargs -i -t lp pdf2ps {} |
| 13:45.07 | beardy | johaBBa: But the partitioner on the netinstaller should be able to handle ntfs, not just resize it.. But it's worth a try with qtparted. |
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| 13:45.11 | applecidervinega | http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall#Credits |
| 13:45.16 | applecidervinega | the disk is not full. |
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| 13:45.24 | johaBBa | beardy, hrm....8 HP image cds. |
| 13:45.39 | S4nD3r | ltyphair, fantastic |
| 13:45.41 | beardy | johaBBa: Have you tried lilo yet? |
| 13:45.48 | S4nD3r | ltyphair, really worked... |
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| 13:46.02 | berzerka | ltyphair: thanks, ill try that. |
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| 13:46.18 | johaBBa | beardy, lilo failed right away...like it didn't even try...i'm going to re-image...re-resize...then try lilo w/out trying grub at all. |
| 13:46.28 | highvoltage | hi. someone installed shv4/5 on one of my debian servers. how do i remove it again? |
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| 13:46.43 | johaBBa | beardy, if all that doesn't work..then i'll go buy a new disk. meh. |
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| 13:47.01 | beardy | johaBBa: If you have another legal copy of windows, and wish to run it, install it yourself instead, then install debian and grub? |
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| 13:47.19 | gromf | hello everybody ! |
| 13:47.43 | johaBBa | beardy, i don't...only these 8 image cd's |
| 13:47.56 | beardy | johaBBa: Ok.. |
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| 13:48.07 | johaBBa | beardy, i wish this was a dell...they give cd's w/ real windoze installer on it not images. |
| 13:48.15 | johaBBa | but i have no control over that |
| 13:48.26 | S4nD3r | I have a keyboard that doesn work this ? ... I dont know how to solve it.... |
| 13:48.38 | beardy | johaBBa: Why do you need windows? |
| 13:48.52 | applecidervinega | nku any other suggestions for why it might be giving me that error? |
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| 13:48.57 | johaBBa | beardy, studio MX and studio MX only |
| 13:49.43 | johaBBa | beardy, i've tried winecvs, cedega, and xover....they don't run studio mx reliably for me. |
| 13:49.47 | cbr | is amd64 official already? |
| 13:49.56 | S4nD3r | Driver "keyboard" |
| 13:49.56 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.00 | antgel | johaBBa: why do you need studio mx? |
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| 13:50.16 | johaBBa | antgel, know of a linux tool that will create flash documents??? |
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| 13:50.29 | antgel | johaBBa: no |
| 13:50.34 | johaBBa | antgel, indeed. |
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| 13:50.46 | antgel | johaBBa: ok, why do you need flash? |
| 13:50.50 | johaBBa | :P |
| 13:50.55 | johaBBa | i make flash pages for $$$ |
| 13:51.02 | johaBBa | so i can eat...and drink...and be merry. |
| 13:51.09 | berzerka | ltyphair: is there a program like pdf2ps? i cant find it in the debian repository (testing).. |
| 13:51.34 | beardy | johaBBa: Ok.. an ugly way, if you don't want to re-image, or buy another drive, is to use a bootfloppy that boots debian for you, if you don't want to mess with reading in those 8 cd:s again. |
| 13:51.51 | johaBBa | hrm.... |
| 13:52.04 | brullo | It would be nice to have a mpg/avi to flash conversion tool under a GNU license (i make instructional videos) |
| 13:52.07 | antgel | johaBBa: why don't you advise your customers to want _proper_ web sites? ;) |
| 13:52.23 | ircops | Does bootsplash need anything integrated into the kernel? |
| 13:52.24 | gromf | does someone know how to move kde windows on an other screen with ati proprietary drivers ? |
| 13:52.37 | johaBBa | beardy, now i didn't think of that. |
| 13:52.40 | beardy | ircops: No, it happens before any kernel. |
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| 13:52.59 | applecidervinega | If I try doing the remote install using debootstrap I can't get the kernel image to install. It downloads the file and then fails with (2) using http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 13:52.59 | applecidervinega | In this one, all seems to be ok except when I try to install the kernel image. It refuses to make the initrd part of the of image. The failure notice reads: |
| 13:52.59 | applecidervinega | /usr/sbin//mkinitrd: Cannot determine SCSI module. |
| 13:53.18 | beardy | applecidervinega: Try a shorter nick? |
| 13:53.39 | applecidervinega | beardy: I don't think that'll solve my remote install. |
| 13:53.46 | berzerka | ltyphair: oh excuse me.... there it is.. |
| 13:53.50 | eguzkia | how can i see what video card i have' |
| 13:53.53 | eguzkia | how can i see what video card i have? |
| 13:53.56 | berzerka | lspci |
| 13:53.58 | berzerka | ask once! |
| 13:54.05 | antgel | applecidervinega: no, but it will make our lives easier |
| 13:54.12 | beardy | applecidervinega: No, but it will make what you say not to be intented so far to the right :) |
| 13:54.17 | brainz | Hi, i'm a newbie, how can i set the timezone using command line? |
| 13:54.24 | ltyphair | berzerka: it is probably part of another package. have you tried: apt-cache search pdf2ps |
| 13:54.25 | antgel | brainz: tzconfig |
| 13:54.31 | johaBBa | applecidervinega, might make it easier for you to get help...... |
| 13:54.39 | antgel | applecidervinega: are you trying to install sarge? |
| 13:54.43 | berzerka | brainz: tzselect |
| 13:54.46 | Skiver | what's the program name to use windows drivers in linux ? |
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| 13:54.56 | antgel | Skiver: google, or ndiswrapper |
| 13:55.12 | applecidervinega | antge: I'm trying to install Debian remotely over RH9, this is how I did it last time, but something has changed. |
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| 13:55.46 | brainz | thanks |
| 13:55.47 | ircops | What's the paste site for this chan? |
| 13:55.54 | antgel | ircops: topic |
| 13:55.55 | ltyphair | berzerka: have you tried it without the pdf2ps? it should work without it. |
| 13:55.57 | jluk_ | hello , i try to install debian on a acer but de partition tools is block on 38% have u some idees ? |
| 13:56.13 | antgel | applecidervinega: what version of debian are you trying to install? |
| 13:56.17 | ircops | d'oh |
| 13:56.20 | Skiver | k thanks man. |
| 13:56.34 | jluk_ | sarge |
| 13:56.45 | brainz | and how do i sync it with a time server? |
| 13:56.49 | acvinegar | antge: ultimately I want stable. |
| 13:56.56 | brullo | I am currently planning a radiolan install. Anyone using freeradius? |
| 13:56.59 | antgel | brainz: aptitude install ntpdate ntp-simple |
| 13:57.12 | antgel | acvinegar: and what are you installing over debootstrap? |
| 13:57.18 | acvinegar | antgel: my server was cracked. I'm trying to do a reinstall but the box is about an 8 hour flight away. |
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| 13:57.40 | berzerka | ltyphair: you mean to give the pdf files immediately to the printer? that works? |
| 13:57.47 | ircops | I am having a problem with apt's install of bootsplash... I have the full console output at http://channels.debian.net/paste/812 if someone would like to help me out. |
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| 13:57.54 | acvinegar | antgel stable |
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| 13:59.00 | beardy | ircops: "91 not upgraded" what are you doing? |
| 13:59.26 | ircops | beardy: ? |
| 13:59.40 | fireba11 | looks like a "apt-get dist-upgrade" should be done soon :-) |
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| 13:59.52 | johaBBa | indeed |
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| 14:00.15 | ircops | fireba11: was that directed toward moi? |
| 14:00.16 | ltyphair | berzerka: yup, so do the same command just remove the pdf2ps part. |
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| 14:00.17 | ircops | =] |
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| 14:00.53 | ltyphair | berzerka: if it don't work you do not have your printer properly installed to begin with. |
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| 14:01.21 | ircops | holy cow... okay... dist-upgrade is upgrading 90 pkgs... hold on |
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| 14:02.26 | berzerka | ltyphair: okay. thanks a lot! |
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| 14:03.32 | r3v | quick question. Sarge installer onto a SATA drive. does that work? Someone has told me no, but I havn't got my machine with sata put together yet |
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| 14:04.24 | WallyRevange | Hi! Greets everyone! |
| 14:04.28 | slimeball | herm i wonder.. when you upgrade via apt-get the kernel does it rename the old one somethiong .old ? its in /boot .. can someone plz look if so what is it? |
| 14:04.39 | S4nD3r | Where should I tell about bugs in modules, anyway in sarge |
| 14:04.42 | slimeball | meaning in x86 sence i know someone has it |
| 14:05.09 | WallyRevange | I need a hand with a parameter of Screen y couldn't find using |
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| 14:05.18 | WallyRevange | I need a hand with a parameter of Screen I couldn't find using |
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| 14:06.10 | WallyRevange | I need to execute a command and then to autodetach the screen by it's own |
| 14:07.07 | brullo | FreeRADIUS anyone? |
| 14:07.12 | berzerka | ltyphair: so in fact i dont even need xargs.. lp $(ls *.pdf) would also do the job. right? |
| 14:07.15 | WallyRevange | Anyone could give my a hand? |
| 14:07.41 | r3v | WallyRevange: screen -e command -d |
| 14:07.46 | beardy | !anyone |
| 14:07.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:07.48 | beardy | !ask |
| 14:07.48 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:07.49 | r3v | WallyRevange: you could always man screen, it's all in there |
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| 14:08.31 | mgh0^ | can anyone point me towards a full iso of etch using the 2.6.12-1-amd64-generic kernel |
| 14:08.50 | mgh0^ | I am all googled out |
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| 14:09.05 | brullo | ok ok ok...anyone using FreeRADIUS as a CA (certificate autority) ? |
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| 14:09.49 | WallyRevange | I explain it, but the man pages of screen tell around 1 million parameters and I give up looking... it was tooooo much. |
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| 14:10.03 | ircops | brullo: what the fuck is your question? |
| 14:10.07 | WallyRevange | r3v Thanks a lot! |
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| 14:10.11 | Phr0zenKore | query dpkg |
| 14:10.13 | beardy | WallyRevange: Try again later when you're up to it then. |
| 14:10.13 | Phr0zenKore | woopz |
| 14:10.17 | ircops | hehe |
| 14:10.39 | brullo | ircops, as I said...anyone uses FreeRADIUS as a CA? |
| 14:10.44 | ircops | no |
| 14:10.47 | ircops | no one uses it |
| 14:10.47 | beardy | or yes |
| 14:10.53 | ircops | sorry |
| 14:10.54 | Phr0zenKore | how do i get split-windows in screen? seems it's nowhere in the man or i'm not looking good.. |
| 14:10.55 | r3v | !anyone use |
| 14:10.56 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 14:11.00 | WallyRevange | beardy I don't understand what you said |
| 14:11.07 | brullo | ircops. interesting answer. |
| 14:11.10 | ircops | r3v: I need to remember that one hehe |
| 14:11.12 | mgh0^ | I have a netinstall and its the only kernel I have found to support my network adaptors but for some reason the install fails post apt configuration |
| 14:11.17 | johaBBa | heh |
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| 14:11.33 | brullo | ircops, have you been smoking carrots again? |
| 14:11.35 | r3v | ircops: dpkg have seemingly billions of factoids |
| 14:11.44 | ircops | !stats |
| 14:11.45 | dpkg | Since Wed Sep 28 23:09:29 2005, there have been 17 modifications, 756 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 221 commands. I have been awake for 1d 15h 2m 15s this session, and currently reference 26351 factoids. I'm using about 15672 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 295.55/13.54 child 259.16/17.89 |
| 14:11.47 | beardy | WallyRevange: If you get tired when reading the manual, and don't find what you are looking for, take a break, drink some <drink you like> and try again later. |
| 14:11.48 | berzerka | downloadmanager a la getright for linux? (not d4l..) |
| 14:11.48 | johaBBa | !crack |
| 14:11.49 | dpkg | crack: see source of spacehogs comment on apt |
| 14:11.57 | danieldg | Phr0zenKore: ^AS, look for split in the manpage |
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| 14:12.17 | Phr0zenKore | danieldg: yea, but i meant a split like in the irssi extension nicklist.pl |
| 14:12.22 | Wanderer | Anyone recomend a graphical scp client? |
| 14:12.22 | Phr0zenKore | with no borders and stuff |
| 14:12.28 | Phr0zenKore | and on the right side |
| 14:12.33 | Zap-W | if persist option in pppd is used i wonder if /etc/ppp/ip-down is executed at all before retrying ? |
| 14:12.34 | Wanderer | need to set up a moron with scp and odn't want to explain scp command line to them |
| 14:12.38 | brullo | Wanderer: WinSCP |
| 14:12.54 | WallyRevange | beardy I'll take it into account, thanks |
| 14:13.13 | beardy | Wanderer: And if the moron doesn't run windows, let him learn scp. |
| 14:13.33 | tabris|away | y'know, it might be worth finding out if KDE has any kioslaves for it |
| 14:13.36 | Wanderer | brueller: need a client for linux |
| 14:13.51 | Wanderer | part of a task they'll do occasionally is to connect to a box via putty and scp a file |
| 14:14.04 | Wanderer | if I explain it this week AGAIN I'll be explaining it again next week |
| 14:14.22 | Wanderer | there's no point in this person learning it anyway, they won't every use a linux box otherwise |
| 14:14.25 | tabris|away | Wanderer: look into a script that uses scp or rsync ? |
| 14:14.33 | beardy | Wanderer: Just tell them to read the fucking manual. |
| 14:14.36 | Wanderer | so I'm just trying to save myself a couple grey hears |
| 14:14.39 | Wanderer | hairs |
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| 14:14.45 | Wanderer | beardy: nice theory but not functional |
| 14:14.47 | brullo | Wanderer: apt-cache show secpanel |
| 14:14.49 | tabris|away | Wanderer: or if a 'user interactive' is abs req'd, once again, look into a KDE IO-slave |
| 14:14.53 | Wanderer | tabris: tried that, the name changes semi randomly |
| 14:15.03 | Wanderer | tabris: kde io-slave? |
| 14:15.05 | tabris|away | Wanderer: ok... who controls the name of the file? |
| 14:15.17 | Wanderer | client at a remote site who's actually more clueless |
| 14:15.23 | tabris|away | Wanderer: does the name fit a pattern? can you setup a script that symlinks to a static-file-name |
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| 14:15.39 | Wanderer | I tried exlaining a naming convention like year-month-date-ver.txt but that is apparantly too hard for em |
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| 14:15.44 | beardy | Wanderer: Write down some examples for them, how they do when using scp to transfer a file, they should be able to get/relearn that when they have to, otherwise, donät let them near the keyboard. |
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| 14:16.23 | Wanderer | beardy: they'd have to ssh to the first server, ssh to the second server, locate the file, exit only from the second server, scp the file then do the next part (involving samba) |
| 14:16.31 | Wanderer | easier to just give them a graphical scp client |
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| 14:16.39 | tabris|away | Wanderer: y'know, scp does wildcards. rsync does too. |
| 14:16.40 | Wanderer | tabris: what is kde ioslave? |
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| 14:16.53 | beardy | Wanderer: Probably :) Have you tried googling for one? |
| 14:16.56 | Wanderer | yeah and if it gets more than one file this guy will pop a fuse again |
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| 14:17.16 | Wanderer | beardy: yeah, found a couple but I don't like the look/feel, thus I'm asking what people like from a usability perspective |
| 14:17.20 | tabris|away | Wanderer: well, for example, in Konqueror there is a smb:// kioslave. lets me do the following. smb://hermes/tabris/ and thus browse that share |
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| 14:17.29 | theD3viL | Is any other programm for burning cds like k3b? i have gnome so i dont wanna k3b and 30mb of kde. |
| 14:17.39 | Wanderer | secpanel actually came close |
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| 14:18.04 | tabris|away | Wanderer: and yes, it allows copy and move etc. |
| 14:18.08 | Wanderer | tabris: that has good potential, they should be able to handle Konq. |
| 14:18.25 | Wanderer | is there a "scp://server" ? |
| 14:18.27 | Wanderer | (trying it) |
| 14:18.30 | tabris|away | Wanderer: istr some mention of an ssh:// slave, but that didn't make sense to me at the time. |
| 14:18.31 | Eclipser | grr |
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| 14:18.45 | tabris|away | Wanderer: if nothing else, google kde.org |
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| 14:18.53 | beardy | Wanderer: gftp? |
| 14:18.57 | r3v | Wanderer: there is sftp:// |
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| 14:19.59 | Wanderer | bingo |
| 14:20.00 | brullo | Wanderer: I use Camtasia studio 3 to make instructional videos. Great tool that saves OCEANS of time. |
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| 14:20.08 | Wanderer | sftp://server1 works perfectly |
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| 14:20.16 | saloxin | theD3viL: gcombust, cdrecord and more. apt-cache search is your friend |
| 14:20.22 | ste | hi. Is hotplug necessary when using udev? |
| 14:20.24 | Wanderer | brullo: thought of that. these morons just do not want to know though |
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| 14:20.34 | Wanderer | it's like they actively are purging the info I've taught them |
| 14:20.44 | Wanderer | so i have no patience or sympathy for them |
| 14:20.46 | beardy | Wanderer: Are you a teacher? |
| 14:20.55 | Wanderer | no, Unix/Linux Egr |
| 14:20.58 | Wanderer | Engr |
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| 14:21.03 | Wanderer | but my group has to help these idiots |
| 14:21.18 | tabris|away | beardy: horse, water, drink. |
| 14:21.26 | Wanderer | heh |
| 14:21.41 | ircops | Wanderer: so you are the tech support guy, too, eh? |
| 14:21.46 | berzerka | i am looking for a downloadmanager a la getright for linux (not d4l). any suggestions? |
| 14:21.49 | brullo | Wanderer, I advise you to take a close look at the apache webdav module... |
| 14:22.00 | Wanderer | ircops: actually I manage the Systems Engineering group. I'm doing this so my guys don't go nuts |
| 14:22.13 | brullo | Wanderer: webdav should work under apache-ssl as well |
| 14:22.13 | BlueSmurf | postgres lets me connect from a windows client, but phppgadmin, from the same host postgresql is on wont connect!, any hints ? |
| 14:22.22 | Wanderer | brullo: tried that. worked pretty well. As soon as the windows implementation is a bit more robust it'll be a good contender |
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| 14:22.30 | Wanderer | but last time I looked at it was 9-12 months ago |
| 14:22.42 | Wanderer | functional and fast feel (backgrounded transfers and cache) |
| 14:22.56 | Wanderer | that's actually on our project list to re-evaluate in 2006 |
| 14:22.59 | ircops | Wanderer: lol try working with a bunch of 30-something blondes in a doctors office that uses a menu-driven ssh system for it's point-of-sales... and I'm the answer guy -- sucks. |
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| 14:23.16 | brullo | Wanderer: ok |
| 14:23.31 | Wanderer | ircops: ouch, atleast some are likely cute right? |
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| 14:24.00 | ircops | Wanderer: *so-so* |
| 14:24.00 | Wanderer | hey, with the ioslave thing, I was actually reading up on it a couple days ago looking for a way of browsing |
| 14:24.09 | ircops | Wanderer: if I was older they would be hot |
| 14:24.11 | Wanderer | a co-worker has a mac and uses rendezvous or such |
| 14:24.13 | Wanderer | heh |
| 14:24.21 | brullo | Wanderer: what win32 client did you use for webdav? |
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| 14:24.37 | Wanderer | brullo: honestly don't remember, it's been a while. there were only 1 or 2 at the time |
| 14:24.50 | brullo | Wanderer: Ok I can google it |
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| 14:25.36 | Wanderer | brullo: it installed in the linux systems very well and it mapped on the windows side pretty well |
| 14:25.59 | brullo | Wanderer: why SCP/SSH for transfering files. Do you work at CIA? :-) |
| 14:26.00 | Wanderer | one of the big problems though was that the actual transfers were pretty show. it backgrounded the transfer though to make it seem faster. |
| 14:26.21 | Wanderer | problem then is if someone on a laptop starts a transfer then disconnects to go somewhere |
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| 14:26.55 | Wanderer | brullo: need to transfer files from customers outside when they push and we don't want the customers coming inside |
| 14:27.00 | Wanderer | CIA, no. Internap |
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| 14:27.28 | brullo | Wanderer: whatabout email for filetransfer? |
| 14:27.42 | Wanderer | files range from 2-100Meg |
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| 14:27.44 | beardy | brullo: Nooo.. |
| 14:27.45 | sward | BlueSmurf: check your pg_hba.conf, I can't remember whether phppgadmin prefers sockets, or TCP, but read the docs, check that the server phppgadmin is running on has access (if the same, localhost), and you probably want 'password' or 'md5' in the authentication method column |
| 14:28.04 | brullo | Wanderer: our standard mail inbox are 500MB |
| 14:28.18 | Wanderer | heh, the non-techies are all on Exchange. they have 75Meg limits :> |
| 14:28.31 | Wanderer | we limit emails to 20Meg or smaller |
| 14:28.47 | brullo | Wanderer: Buy more disks ;-) |
| 14:28.51 | Wanderer | the ioslave is probably a best bet, I can set them up a shortcut to click and poof |
| 14:28.58 | Wanderer | exchange is outsourced so it's not my problem :> |
| 14:29.12 | Wanderer | I'm on a Communigate Server, has plenty of space |
| 14:29.17 | Wanderer | but still has the file limit |
| 14:29.27 | kikinovak | Hi. I have a CUPS printer server running on 192.168.1.1. When I try to access the web administration interface via another machine on that network on http://192.168.1.1:631, I see the main page OK. But when I click on "Administratin tasks" to go to the admin page, I get a "Forbidden" error message. Any hint on what's wrong? BTW, cupsd.conf on the server side has 'Allow From 192.168.1' OK, and also the correct BrowseAddress. I'm puzzled |
| 14:29.31 | Wanderer | well, the message size limit because that is on our exchangers |
| 14:29.31 | sward | BlueSmurf: either "host all all 127.0.0.1/32 md5" or "local all all md5" (or both) |
| 14:29.39 | brullo | Wanderer: we run groupwise on netware |
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| 14:29.48 | Wanderer | Never used that one |
| 14:30.01 | r3v | SATA disc for /, sarge installer, gonna work? (last try at asking) |
| 14:30.03 | sward | (for phppgadmin on localhost) |
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| 14:30.18 | Wanderer | r3v: if the hardware will boot from it, there's no reason it shouldn't |
| 14:30.18 | BlueSmurf | Wanderer, host all all 192.168.2.0 255.255.255.0 password # seems to work for another host. |
| 14:30.29 | Wanderer | Blue? |
| 14:30.37 | acvinegar | I've tried running deboostrap with sid, sarge and woody. sid and sarge give me an error when I try to download gcc-3.2-base |
| 14:30.50 | BlueSmurf | Wanderer, sorry :) |
| 14:30.58 | Wanderer | no problem, confused me :> |
| 14:31.11 | sward | ah, for me :) |
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| 14:31.20 | acvinegar | blah blah findutils saved [151646/151646] I: Validating findutils E: Couldn't download gcc-3.2-base |
| 14:31.25 | BlueSmurf | sward, local all all password # does nothing for phppgadmin :( |
| 14:31.30 | wesley | people please help me |
| 14:31.42 | wesley | i've bought a notebook hp nx6125 |
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| 14:31.46 | BlueSmurf | sward, i have been trying other configs but nothing... |
| 14:31.53 | sward | BlueSmurf: Is it running on the same host? |
| 14:31.55 | wesley | and now i cant install the video |
| 14:32.01 | wesley | is not working properly |
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| 14:32.10 | wesley | :-( |
| 14:32.30 | nkuttler | wesley: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 14:32.34 | BlueSmurf | sward, yes. postgresql 7.4 with phppgadmin. |
| 14:32.37 | sward | BlueSmurf: (as postgres, that is) UNIX sockets are for local connections only |
| 14:32.46 | brullo | Wanderer: I have a small SSH/apache server for "special" file transfer from the outside. Then inside I download them via apache or samba |
| 14:32.49 | ircops | Okay, I hope this isn't too OT, but how do you import an infobot factpack into a blootbot's mysql database? |
| 14:32.49 | stew | acvinegar: check the bts, there have been lots of recent problems with debootstrap and sid |
| 14:32.51 | wesley | so, i'm reinstalling it.... |
| 14:32.57 | BlueSmurf | sward, mmm, a remote host (a windows) can connect. |
| 14:33.00 | ircops | or can you? |
| 14:33.06 | wesley | but.. the big is i dont know the settings |
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| 14:33.08 | acvinegar | stew: I've also tried sarge with the same error. |
| 14:33.09 | wesley | of this notebook |
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| 14:33.14 | nkuttler | !tell wesley about enter |
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| 14:33.22 | asg | wesley: then google and check tuxmobile.org |
| 14:33.23 | BlueSmurf | sward, but phppgadmin (on the *smae* host can not. :( |
| 14:33.31 | BlueSmurf | same, that is |
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| 14:33.41 | wesley | what is that? |
| 14:33.50 | stew | acvinegar: with the same error? did you check the bts? |
| 14:34.08 | acvinegar | stew: remind me what bts means? I've been awake for a long time trying to get this server back online. |
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| 14:34.13 | acvinegar | stew: same error, yes. |
| 14:34.15 | asg | wesley: a list of installation reports of people for various laptops. If you mean 'what is google', then I'm very worried. |
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| 14:34.33 | wesley | kkkk |
| 14:34.40 | wesley | no no about tuxmobile.org |
| 14:34.42 | wesley | hehehe |
| 14:35.05 | sward | BlueSmurf: *shrug* I think phppgadmin has a configuration option for how it connects too |
| 14:35.08 | d33p | if I'm having a hell of apt dependencies problems, what is the easiest way to reinstall the system with all new packages, without formating my hard drive or loosing my configs? |
| 14:35.12 | Starf^Work | ok i am trying to su to my root login but its not accepting my password.... does this mean a reinstall? |
| 14:35.21 | Pfated | YOUR password, or your root password? |
| 14:35.34 | Starf^Work | i just did a netinst and really dont wanna have to downlaod all the package again |
| 14:35.37 | Starf^Work | Pfated, root |
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| 14:35.51 | stew | acvinegar: it means you forgot to read the /topic, /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:35.53 | BlueSmurf | sward, ill check it out, ive been going over this for a few hours now, when it isnt one thing its another :|, thanks for your help. |
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| 14:36.55 | Pfated | Ah. |
| 14:36.55 | Pfated | Starf^Work: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 14:36.55 | asg | Starf^Work: can you login as root at the console? |
| 14:36.55 | Starf^Work | asg one sec |
| 14:37.06 | acvinegar | stew: would've killed you to say "bugs" wouldn't it? ;) |
| 14:37.14 | Starf^Work | nup |
| 14:37.24 | asg | Starf^Work: then follow Pfated's advice above |
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| 14:37.28 | Wharf | Hi there. |
| 14:37.49 | Wharf | I need some help with the sound on my debian systemn |
| 14:38.07 | Wharf | I been to many Debian help channels and all failed to find the problem. |
| 14:38.16 | beardy | Wharf: just ask. |
| 14:38.20 | brullo | Wharf: version and kernel? |
| 14:38.25 | Wharf | 2.6 |
| 14:38.37 | brullo | Wharf: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 14:38.40 | Wharf | The card is supported by alsa |
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| 14:39.12 | Barnes | how come http://security.debian.org is so increddible slow? |
| 14:39.15 | acvinegar | stew: there are no bugs for the package |
| 14:39.22 | beardy | Barnes: Many people using it. |
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| 14:39.31 | asg | Barnes: e871ff438a06d69938e97417e877ac31 |
| 14:39.35 | Barnes | its like 25kb/sec atm |
| 14:39.40 | Starf^Work | ok i am struggling with its advice, i am at a grub prompt |
| 14:39.44 | beardy | Barnes: As I said. |
| 14:39.45 | asg | Barnes: http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050920 |
| 14:39.49 | Wharf | I don't think alsa is the problem |
| 14:39.53 | stew | !dbugs 325385 |
| 14:39.57 | dpkg | #325385:I[debootstrap] debootstrap: not able to debootstrap sid; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:18:02 UTC |
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| 14:40.10 | stew | !dbugs 327712 |
| 14:40.13 | mosty | barnes, try a mirror |
| 14:40.13 | dpkg | #327712:I[debootstrap] debootstrap: Fail bootstrapping a working sarge; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:18:01 UTC |
| 14:40.14 | Wharf | Many debian channels have atempted to tell me how to configure it using alsaconf and stuff |
| 14:40.15 | nkuttler | Starf^Work: what device is / on? |
| 14:40.22 | Wharf | If finds the card |
| 14:40.29 | Wharf | configures the drivers |
| 14:40.33 | Wharf | But still nothing |
| 14:40.37 | beardy | Wharf: Turn up the volume. |
| 14:40.43 | beardy | Wharf: alsamixer? |
| 14:40.56 | Wharf | When i try alsamixer it says theres no sound card |
| 14:41.04 | Wharf | Or sound device |
| 14:41.18 | Wharf | When i do lspci i find 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controler: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio controller (rev 1) |
| 14:41.19 | Wharf | listed |
| 14:41.29 | acvinegar | ahh, I thought you meant the package it was failing to download. ta. |
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| 14:41.58 | beardy | !tell Wharf about alsa 2.6 |
| 14:42.04 | beardy | Wharf: Follow it. |
| 14:42.12 | Starf^Work | hda1 |
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| 14:42.34 | cahoot | Wharf: what's in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 14:42.39 | acvinegar | ok, so it looks like i have to go back to using the other method which avoids using deboostrap. |
| 14:42.49 | Wharf | I'll check |
| 14:42.57 | acvinegar | The error I got with that one was that there wsasn't enough room, but there was 1gig available when it said that. |
| 14:43.00 | Starf^Work | ah found somat |
| 14:43.04 | johaBBa | beardy, image finally done...going to try grub on floppy for simplicity's sake. |
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| 14:43.20 | Wharf | beardy, i have used those steps before |
| 14:43.22 | man_in_shack | is there a sarge version for amd 64 processors? |
| 14:43.23 | beardy | johaBBa: :) Yeah, do that, for now at least. |
| 14:44.25 | thingfish | man_in_shack: see #debian-amd64 |
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| 14:44.38 | acvinegar | while running dpkg-reconfigure --install base-config the system says that it has run out of space while downloading the package lists. I have edited /etc/apt/apt.conf and set the APT::Cache-Limit 1000000000; |
| 14:44.38 | acvinegar | No matter what size I set, it always dies on the same package (qt3-assistant). I have even tried changing the sources.list with teh same result. |
| 14:44.38 | acvinegar | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 14:44.46 | Wharf | cahoot, i opened it in a text editor, it says --- no soundcards --- |
| 14:44.52 | man_in_shack | ty thingfish |
| 14:44.55 | Starf^Work | how does one fsck their root file system? |
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| 14:44.57 | thingfish | np |
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| 14:45.20 | asg | Starf^Work: touch /forcefsck ; reboot |
| 14:45.28 | nvz | remount it readonly and use the fsck.. or that |
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| 14:45.40 | cahoot | Wharf: what module is for that card - snd-atiixp ? |
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| 14:45.53 | Starf^Work | ok i did the e added init=/bin/sh to the end and pressed b and it just booted as normal |
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| 14:46.40 | Starf^Work | and i notice it has install postgresql instead of mysql when i asked it to be a sql server |
| 14:46.47 | Wharf | cahoot i think thats it |
| 14:46.53 | beardy | asg: really? |
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| 14:46.57 | Starf^Work | meh fit i will reinstall it |
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| 14:47.37 | vlsoft | Hi! I'm having some trouble with iptables on my debian system. I want to drop all packets, which have only IP address, and they don't have a name in DNS. How can i do this? |
| 14:48.00 | Starf^Work | ffs |
| 14:48.02 | Starf^Work | found it |
| 14:48.06 | dipnlik | hi all. is it possible to make a network install from a single floppy (or some floppies)? i have a machine on the network that doesn't have a CD drive |
| 14:48.09 | Starf^Work | damn that caps lock key |
| 14:48.16 | Starf^Work | Password became pASSWORD |
| 14:48.17 | cahoot | Wharf: what happends if you modprobe snd-atiixp? |
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| 14:48.35 | Raven007 | dipnlik: yep , it's possible . |
| 14:48.41 | vlsoft | dipnlik: 2 floppy is sufficient for net install. I done it on my Sun Sparcs all the time... |
| 14:48.44 | Raven007 | dipnlik: 2 floppies |
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| 14:49.05 | erchache | i have a machine to make remote backups of other servers with a scsi dat and a dvdrw....any suggestions? amanda,bacula doesnt like me |
| 14:49.07 | Wharf | cahoot, how do i do a modprobe on that? |
| 14:49.12 | Wharf | I'm kinda a newbie |
| 14:49.23 | dipnlik | cool, Raven007 and vlsoft. can you help me on that? where can I find the images of the floppies? |
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| 14:49.46 | vlsoft | dipnlik: i'm searching for an url... wait... |
| 14:49.48 | Raven007 | dipnlik: debian.org , or on a debian install cd |
| 14:49.54 | SkyCamp | habla español? |
| 14:50.07 | cahoot | Wharf: (as rot) type 'modprobe snd-atiixp' in a term |
| 14:50.12 | Wharf | I typed in root, modprobe snd-atiixp and it didn't show anything and went back to prompt |
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| 14:50.18 | Raven007 | erchache: bash script in crontab ; growisofs |
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| 14:50.37 | cahoot | Wharf: that's as should be, now check /proc/asound/cards |
| 14:50.37 | shuning | what does grp commonly stand for? |
| 14:50.40 | dipnlik | http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ has some images, are these the ones I need? |
| 14:50.48 | be0wulf_ | how do i make debian believe that i've never installed a package? |
| 14:50.55 | ste | exit |
| 14:50.57 | ste | ! |
| 14:50.58 | erchache | raven007: and for scsi dat? |
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| 14:51.03 | x3me | hi |
| 14:51.06 | vlsoft | dipnlik: http://debian.inf.elte.hu/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ (i got them from there) |
| 14:51.13 | x3me | checkinstall accepts some arguments? |
| 14:51.14 | Raven007 | erchache: don't know that ... sorry |
| 14:51.21 | Wanderer | tabris|away: Know any tools for browsing services published with zeroconf? |
| 14:51.27 | x3me | example: KERNEL_DIR=/usr/src/linux checkinstall -D |
| 14:51.35 | Wharf | cahoot: --- no cards --- |
| 14:51.36 | erchache | growisofs can make incremental backups? |
| 14:51.44 | sward | BlueSmurf: Are you using the Debian phppgadmin package? I installed it (and when asked, said I wanted it configured for apache2) and it just worked (sort of). I can login, but I can't see any databases. |
| 14:51.45 | Wharf | No soundcards* |
| 14:52.27 | vlsoft | dipnlik: Although it's for woody, you can install sid with them (when selecting apt mirror, write in by hand the url for sid...) |
| 14:52.32 | Raven007 | Wharf: did you try alsaconf ? |
| 14:52.39 | Wharf | Yea |
| 14:52.40 | Raven007 | maybe it's easyer than this ... |
| 14:52.48 | dipnlik | vlsoft: problem is I don't know exactly what files I need :( |
| 14:53.02 | cahoot | Wharf: read this thread if not already done so, seems you're not alone:http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-294150.html |
| 14:53.12 | dipnlik | vlsoft: oh, there is a readme, sorry |
| 14:53.37 | BlueSmurf | sward, I have got it working now. |
| 14:53.48 | vlsoft | dipnlik: that's not a problem :) |
| 14:54.10 | sward | BlueSmurf: Cool, what was it? |
| 14:54.25 | BlueSmurf | sward, paint the wall with my brains, all I had to do was edit the phppgadmin config file ... :(, pretty dim. |
| 14:54.35 | sward | :) |
| 14:55.00 | vlsoft | dipnlik: you need the "boot" and "root" floppyes. |
| 14:55.06 | BlueSmurf | sward, iv'e been all morning setting up, subversion, mysql, postgresql, ftp, samba... i guess (or hope) it was just an overload. |
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| 14:55.37 | vlsoft | dipnlik: the boot floppy actually called "rescue" |
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| 14:56.27 | be0wulf_ | i deleted my /etc files of a package when i reinstall it i don't get them back so how do i make debian believe that a package hasn't been installed yet? |
| 14:56.44 | Wanderer | be0wulf: try to re-install the package by hand |
| 14:56.48 | Wanderer | cd /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 14:56.54 | Wanderer | dpkg --force-all <package> |
| 14:56.59 | dipnlik | vlsoft: thanks a lot, will try it |
| 14:57.32 | Raven007 | be0wulf_: do it like Wanderer says |
| 14:57.44 | vlsoft | be0wulf_: had similar with apache; i used mc (Midnight Commander) to open the .deb, and analyzed the preinstall and postinstall, what they look for, when they don't replace or install new files... |
| 14:57.55 | vlsoft | dipnlik: you're welcome |
| 14:58.08 | Raven007 | anyone from RO here ? |
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| 14:58.53 | mosty | be0wulf_, dpkg --purge the package first |
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| 14:59.16 | dipnlik | booting on DOS: |
| 14:59.19 | dipnlik | d:\ping |
| 14:59.26 | dipnlik | This program cannot be run in DOS mode |
| 14:59.30 | dipnlik | DAMN IT |
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| 14:59.50 | nvz | wtf is dos mode ? |
| 14:59.56 | vlsoft | So - after helping others... Can someone help me with my IPTables problem? Or what i wan't can't be done with iptables at all? |
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| 15:00.07 | nvz | yep I am still in #debian |
| 15:00.14 | mosty | vlsoft, what are you trying to do? |
| 15:00.14 | nvz | only dos mode here is dosbox |
| 15:00.36 | dipnlik | nvz: lucky you, i'm trying to fix a windows machine |
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| 15:00.39 | Raven007 | vlsoft: maybe ther's a module |
| 15:00.51 | Raven007 | vlsoft: but why do you wanna do that ? |
| 15:00.55 | vlsoft | dipnlik: You should check your woody rescue floppy, if there you found dos... :) |
| 15:00.56 | nvz | dipnlik: not doing a very good job at it. |
| 15:01.14 | vlsoft | Again: Hi! I'm having some trouble with iptables on my debian system. I want to drop all packets, which have only IP address, and they don't have a name in DNS. How can i do this? |
| 15:01.20 | dipnlik | vlsoft: it wasn't the rescus disk yet :) |
| 15:01.22 | Starf^Work | whats the change password command |
| 15:01.24 | asg | vlsoft: have you consulted #iptables yet? |
| 15:01.26 | nvz | there is no dos mode anymore. it boots Explorer in safemode without network or anything else and shows a cmd.exe window |
| 15:01.27 | asg | Starf^Work: passwd |
| 15:01.36 | beardy | dipnlik: Why complain about it here? |
| 15:01.45 | vlsoft | asg: btw. how to list channels in this bitchy bitchx ? :) |
| 15:01.53 | Starf^Work | hmmm said no such thing earlier |
| 15:01.56 | Starf^Work | will try again |
| 15:02.00 | Raven007 | vlsoft: so , you want to drop all IP's per port that doesn't have a dns entry ? |
| 15:02.00 | dipnlik | beardy: sorry, thought it could be fun :X |
| 15:02.02 | asg | vlsoft: /msg dpkg chanserv help |
| 15:02.12 | be0wulf_ | /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba.postinst: line 149: /etc/samba/smbpasswd: No such file or directory |
| 15:02.13 | beardy | dipnlik: It wasn't. |
| 15:02.14 | Wharf | cahoot: I been reading that post |
| 15:02.15 | vlsoft | Raven007: exactly! |
| 15:02.20 | be0wulf_ | now i've got a new problem |
| 15:02.21 | asg | vlsoft: /help list (but that is generally useless) |
| 15:02.23 | mosty | vlsoft, i think that would make your firewall very very very slow, doing a dns lookup for each packet. even if the dns results were cached it would hurt performance big time, i think |
| 15:02.31 | Wharf | cahoot: At the end it says this : Okay, I FINALLY got it. The trick was to disable the ati-ixp modem in the kernel configuration, which is listed in the sound section right under ati-ixp sound in menuconfig. So I guess this means I'll have no modem... which is okay because I'm on a DSL. If I ever really need one, I suppose I could get one for USB or PCMCIA. Or maybe by then Linux will support my hw better. |
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| 15:02.41 | dipnlik | beardy: ok, I noticed |
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| 15:02.46 | Wharf | I don't fully understand whats needed to do |
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| 15:02.54 | vlsoft | mosty: I don't really care, if it's slow... |
| 15:03.11 | stew | mmm kay |
| 15:03.18 | Raven007 | vlsoft: maybe there's better ways of doing this |
| 15:03.23 | nvz | heh |
| 15:03.26 | Raven007 | what service ? |
| 15:03.31 | mosty | vlsoft, what are you trying to achieve in the first place? there may be a better way |
| 15:03.33 | vlsoft | Reven007: I'm open to any new ideas... |
| 15:03.34 | asg | !qotd153 |
| 15:03.34 | dpkg | qotd153 is probably <asg> abrotman: yes, I'm waiting for the german scat collection myself |
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| 15:03.38 | dipnlik | nvz: better call it "dipnlik's (non-)working PC" |
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| 15:04.19 | Raven007 | vlsoft: what do you really want to do ? |
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| 15:05.04 | ircops | Okay... dist-upgrade was going fine until it got to bootsplash and tried to install it, then of course ran into the errors again and exited--how do I skip bootsplash on the dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:05.28 | cahoot | Wharf: you use a debian kernel? what version? |
| 15:05.31 | asg | stew: simonrvn was an op here at one time |
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| 15:05.36 | vlsoft | mosty: I have some hacker attacks on my linux boxes, where my users can log in (too simple passwords, or they simply evil), and these nasty hackers log in from IPs which don't resolve back to any name. I thought, it would be cool to drop these all. |
| 15:05.36 | stew | heh |
| 15:05.43 | be0wulf_ | any1 who knows what to do about ... |
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| 15:05.47 | vlsoft | Reven007: same answer to you. |
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| 15:05.54 | Wharf | cahoot: 2.6 |
| 15:06.00 | Wharf | on deiban sarge |
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| 15:06.17 | Raven007 | vlsoft: you don't wanna do that :) |
| 15:06.18 | mosty | vlsoft, what if one of your users has an ip that doesn't resolve to a hostname? |
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| 15:06.42 | vlsoft | mosty, Raven007: They don't have. If they do, i'll kill them :) |
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| 15:06.55 | Raven007 | vlsoft: maybe it's a better ideea to restrict access to that service |
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| 15:07.07 | mosty | vlsoft, how many legitemate hosts do your users connect from? |
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| 15:07.53 | vlsoft | Raven007: I have about 100 lines making IP ranges to DROP when they connect to port 22 (ssh), but it just grows... |
| 15:08.00 | Gijs` | vlsoft: Change security policy. Force stronger passwords. |
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| 15:08.19 | asg | vlsoft: better yet, stop using passwords and use private/public keys |
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| 15:08.37 | Raven007 | vlsoft: ahem . do this : allow only you ip classes , and drop anything else ? |
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| 15:08.44 | be0wulf_ | i purged the package : samba and now i've got problems with reinstalling it since smbpasswd is missing |
| 15:08.53 | Gijs` | Solve the problem, don't reduce the chance of the problem. |
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| 15:09.09 | cahoot | Wharf: looks like the poster compiled a custom kernel to get it working - wouldn't recommend you doing that |
| 15:09.12 | ircops | Where would I find the log for the pre- and post-configuration of deb packages installed using apt? |
| 15:09.17 | vlsoft | Gijs`: some of my users i think are evil hackers, but as they are students at the university where the linux boxes run, they have to get account. So i can't really help with forcing passwords to be secure. |
| 15:09.17 | Raven007 | vlsoft: or use a ssh gateway - box , and restrict all the others |
| 15:09.29 | mosty | gijs: security is always a tradeoff with ease of use, there is almost never a single solution |
| 15:09.33 | Wharf | Ouch |
| 15:09.43 | asg | vlsoft: /var/lib/dpkg/info shows the actual scripts. If you run sid, /var/log/dpkg.log shows some more info. |
| 15:09.47 | wesley | people |
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| 15:10.05 | asg | no people here |
| 15:10.09 | wesley | i can start the x server, because the setting is worong |
| 15:10.11 | Wharf | maybe i could ask that person why make the kernal for a copy |
| 15:10.15 | wesley | how can i reconfigure it? |
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| 15:10.16 | asg | !drxx wesley |
| 15:10.17 | dpkg | wesley: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:10.17 | mosty | vlsoft, what if you restrict ssh access to other machines within the university? |
| 15:10.29 | Raven007 | vlsoft: use a ssh gateway ; force password larger than 8 |
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| 15:10.54 | cahoot | Wharf: could you paste the output of 'lsmod' to a pasting site - /msg dpkg paste for instructions |
| 15:11.16 | Wharf | Well, my laptop has no internet connection |
| 15:11.19 | vlsoft | mosty: can't do that, we have users from foreign countries, and weekends they are at home, and wan't to use the university's login hosts from home. |
| 15:11.25 | Wharf | I can a part that you need though |
| 15:11.28 | wesley | pelase.. help |
| 15:11.36 | t0mas | hi |
| 15:11.45 | vlsoft | Raven007: ssh gateway is not good for us... |
| 15:11.48 | Starf^Work | if wanting to install debian packages mysql and php and apache is there any order they ahve to installed in to work together? |
| 15:11.52 | t0mas | has anybody seen a debian sarge installer hanging on "Loading /install/vmlinuz...." before? |
| 15:12.04 | antgel | Starf^Work: aptitude takes care of it |
| 15:12.10 | cahoot | Wharf: you've already made sure no OSS module is loaded for the card? |
| 15:12.30 | Wharf | Don't know what that is. |
| 15:12.32 | Starf^Work | aptitude? |
| 15:12.34 | Starf^Work | meh |
| 15:12.37 | Wharf | How would i check |
| 15:12.39 | Starf^Work | i use apt-get |
| 15:12.39 | mosty | vlsoft, can you describe the problem a bit more precisely? are you just having lots of connection attempts for particular usernames? |
| 15:12.40 | asg | Starf^Work: I generally do apache, then libapache-mod-php4, then php4-mysql but It should work if you do them all at once |
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| 15:13.20 | Starf^Work | asg and its install exim as default mail i want to remove that and install sendmail so i did apt-get install sendmail and it errored ssaying i was asking the impossible |
| 15:13.34 | vlsoft | mosty: no, they actually get in, copy some hacker stuff (exploit making programs) to the user's dir, run it, get root shell, attack other computers from our login hosts... |
| 15:13.35 | asg | Starf^Work: it was just giving your friendly advice ;) |
| 15:13.37 | Wharf | Btw, in lsmod i saw |
| 15:13.38 | Wharf | atiixp 8472 1 |
| 15:13.42 | Wharf | If that helps |
| 15:13.45 | asg | Starf^Work: what exact error did it give you btw? |
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| 15:13.58 | Starf^Work | cant paste it |
| 15:14.04 | Starf^Work | but quickly it was |
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| 15:14.23 | cahoot | Wharf: that looks like a suspect (oss module) |
| 15:14.32 | Starf^Work | some packages could not be installed, this may mean you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable BLAH |
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| 15:14.44 | asg | Starf^Work: are you using unsable? |
| 15:14.45 | Wharf | Is that easy to fix? |
| 15:14.51 | asg | *unstable |
| 15:15.01 | Starf^Work | since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely tha the package is simply not installable and a bug report igainst the package should be filed |
| 15:15.09 | stew | Starf^Work: "apt-get install sendmail exim-" will do both operations at once |
| 15:15.16 | mosty | vlsoft, is this box up to date? no security fixes to be applied? |
| 15:15.18 | vlsoft | mosty: before recommending me to find the vulnerable points "inside the system", and fix them, my work's 90% is doing that. Allways a new security hole... |
| 15:15.27 | Starf^Work | the following packages have unmet dependencies blah, this needs to be installed but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:15.35 | Starf^Work | k stew |
| 15:15.48 | Starf^Work | same error |
| 15:15.55 | cahoot | Wharf: does cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp - produce noise? |
| 15:15.56 | stew | Starf^Work: but it sounds like you might have deeper problems, you aren't trying to mix releases are you? |
| 15:16.11 | vlsoft | mosty: but if i could drop all connections which don't have dns name, that would kick most of them out (for a time...) |
| 15:16.14 | Wharf | How can i try it? |
| 15:16.16 | Starf^Work | stew |
| 15:16.17 | Starf^Work | no |
| 15:16.22 | Starf^Work | err its a stable install |
| 15:16.24 | Starf^Work | new install |
| 15:16.24 | mosty | vlsoft, this is the life of an admin, unfortunately. are they just getting in via weak passwords in the first place? or are you falling victim to remote exploits too? |
| 15:16.30 | Wharf | On start up theres some error about /dev/dsp |
| 15:16.32 | Zugschlus | Starf^Work: what does aptitude -f install say? |
| 15:16.39 | cahoot | Wharf: type ' cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'in a term |
| 15:16.43 | Starf^Work | saying it needs sendmail-bin and rmail but it wont let them install |
| 15:17.11 | Starf^Work | that alone says its gonna uninstall 5 pacjages |
| 15:17.12 | cahoot | Wharf: ctrl-C to stop it |
| 15:17.16 | Starf^Work | j-k |
| 15:17.26 | Zugschlus | Starf^Work: so your dependencies are in a bad state |
| 15:17.31 | vlsoft | mosty: there were some problems with ssh itself, that's fixed. I think, mostly weak passwords, but i can't do mutch, than disabling the stupid users. |
| 15:17.35 | Starf^Work | off a new install? |
| 15:17.37 | Wharf | cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 15:17.38 | dipnlik | booting up a rescue floppy, it hangs after the line hda:FUJITSU blah blah blah. what should come next? |
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| 15:18.06 | mosty | vlsoft, can't you require stronger passwords? |
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| 15:18.37 | antgel | what's the difference between a filtered and closed port in nmap? i know that the filtered ports are firewalled, but why does the firewall filter rather than close them to outside? |
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| 15:18.44 | Wharf | ok |
| 15:18.47 | JuanCraft | Hi, can somebody help me? |
| 15:19.02 | Starf^Work | sorted it |
| 15:19.03 | asg | stew: /msg dpkg englund (see if that works as a bobbitt replacement) |
| 15:19.06 | Starf^Work | install sendmail-bin |
| 15:19.11 | vlsoft | mosty: because they can use more than 8 char long, dictionary attackable passewords. And no, i can't require strong passwords, because they can't remember them (why not, i don't know, i don't use passwords less than 20 characters, with at least 4 numbers in it and a few big letters. But that's me) |
| 15:19.12 | Starf^Work | and that sorts a load of stuff |
| 15:19.13 | Wharf | cahoot: what else should i try? |
| 15:19.14 | mosty | antgel: closed means nothing is listening. filtered means the firewall is blocking it, there may or may not be something actually listening |
| 15:19.15 | Starf^Work | then sendmail after |
| 15:19.30 | ggl6 | dselect |
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| 15:19.31 | Zugschlus | Starf^Work: fix your deps first |
| 15:19.31 | cahoot | Wharf: what did you actually type? |
| 15:19.34 | ggl6 | oops |
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| 15:19.53 | ggl6 | any1 know what can cause a seg fault in an application? |
| 15:19.56 | JuanCraft | If i need to get an especific upgrade, how i can do tha (with debian)? |
| 15:20.06 | Wharf | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 15:20.12 | mosty | vlsoft, have them write down their passwords and keep them in their wallets. and force them to pick good passwords, not just long ones |
| 15:20.14 | antgel | mosty: aha. why would the firewall want to provide that information to the outside world (i.e. that it's blocking it)? |
| 15:20.14 | asg | ggl6: badly written application, bad memory, overheating processor, etc. |
| 15:20.19 | whp__ | 0 |
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| 15:20.25 | be0wulf_ | /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba.postinst: line 149: /etc/samba/smbpasswd: No such file or directory |
| 15:20.25 | asg | ggl6: use 'strace' to find out where and why |
| 15:20.28 | be0wulf_ | can't get rid of this |
| 15:20.32 | ggl6 | strace? |
| 15:20.33 | ggl6 | ok |
| 15:20.38 | be0wulf_ | i can't install samba anymore since i purged the samba package |
| 15:20.40 | Starf^Work | Zugschlus, i have already done that afte ryou said -f |
| 15:20.52 | mosty | antgel, the firewall doesn't explicitly say what it's filtering, i think nmap does a timing analysys |
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| 15:21.03 | antgel | mosty: wow. thanks |
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| 15:21.11 | antgel | how awesome is nmap |
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| 15:21.22 | mosty | antgel, nmap doesn't always get it correct |
| 15:21.24 | ggl6 | cuz i installed ymessenger... for people who nned it not me ok., ang it was working fine awhile ago, now it segfaults on me |
| 15:21.26 | cahoot | Wharf: *if* atiixp is an oss module that alone will make alsa unusable until it's removed |
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| 15:21.32 | vlsoft | mosty: That's simply impossible. Even some teachers are against strong passwords. |
| 15:21.45 | Wharf | How can i remove that? |
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| 15:21.51 | quiet | antgel, if you like nmap check out nessus |
| 15:21.52 | Gijs` | Is there a way to reconfigure the timezone on debian |
| 15:21.52 | asg | be0wulf_: manually download whatever package contains smbpasswd and dpkg -i it |
| 15:21.53 | Gijs` | ? |
| 15:21.54 | vlsoft | mosty: so i think what was left, is iptables... |
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| 15:22.12 | Wharf | I don't mind taking risks as this linux instalation is temporery |
| 15:22.25 | mosty | vlsoft, that makes no sense at all. why would anyone be against using strong passwords? |
| 15:22.30 | cahoot | Wharf: rmmod atiixp |
| 15:22.35 | JuanCraft | vlsoft: do you know how i can to upgrade an especific pack? |
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| 15:22.43 | brullo | vlsoft: ebtables can filter traffic based on MAC addresses |
| 15:22.43 | mosty | vlsoft, if people can't remember their passwords, have them write it down and keep it in their wallet |
| 15:22.50 | vlsoft | mosty: Don't tell me, tell them... I'm tired about my stupid users... |
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| 15:23.20 | quiet | if people need to write their PW down.. it won't go in there wallet. |
| 15:23.25 | quiet | it will go in 1 of 3 places. |
| 15:23.30 | mosty | vlsoft, you realise that you can prevent users from selecting weak passwords right? ie when they try to set a crap password, it tells them why it's crap and asks for a better one |
| 15:23.35 | vlsoft | brullo: but mac address filtering can't help me out... |
| 15:23.37 | quiet | under the keyboard, in the left-hand drawer |
| 15:23.42 | quiet | or in the center drawer. |
| 15:23.47 | vlsoft | mosty: yes, i do. |
| 15:23.48 | Wharf | ERROR: Module atiixp is in use |
| 15:23.52 | quiet | occasionally taped right to the monitor. |
| 15:23.54 | thingfish | or pasted on a stick it note to the monitor. |
| 15:23.56 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:24.07 | vlsoft | mosty: on my 'not so' public servers, it is set, and working |
| 15:24.19 | vlsoft | mosty: there is no hacker problem. |
| 15:24.20 | noble- | wow that's stupid |
| 15:24.22 | brullo | vlsoft: ok just a thought...how about freeradius and a CA (certificate authority) server that distributes certificates |
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| 15:24.28 | mosty | vlsoft, this is pretty standard at many schools |
| 15:24.29 | cahoot | Wharf: lsmo would tell what uses atiixp |
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| 15:24.37 | cahoot | Wharf: lsmod |
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| 15:24.41 | JuanCraft | ok, thanks any way.... |
| 15:24.52 | mosty | vlsoft, you might also consider using selinux to restrict what users can do |
| 15:25.01 | Starf^Work | 10.0.0.254 is a usable IP in a 255.0.0.0 subnet isnt it? |
| 15:25.05 | Wharf | atiixp 8472 1 |
| 15:25.06 | dipnlik | booting up a rescue floppy, it hangs after the line hda:FUJITSU blah blah blah. what should come next, a ram test or what? just to have an idea on what hardware i have to track down... |
| 15:25.09 | Wharf | all it says |
| 15:25.11 | Starf^Work | its 255 thats the broadcast |
| 15:25.13 | Starf^Work | isnt it? |
| 15:25.27 | wesley | i receaved the msg: no screens found.. what should i do??? |
| 15:25.33 | wesley | pelase help me people |
| 15:25.37 | mosty | starfwork: x.255.255.255 is the broadcast in a 255.0.0.0 network |
| 15:25.41 | jethro | Starf^Work: no it's 10.255.255.255 |
| 15:25.41 | Wharf | How do i know what |
| 15:25.42 | Wharf | atiixp 8472 1 |
| 15:25.45 | cahoot | Wharf: that's the only occurrence of atiixp? |
| 15:25.45 | Wharf | would be? |
| 15:26.05 | thingfish | !no screens found |
| 15:26.05 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 15:26.14 | Starf^Work | yeah my point being that the 255 address is the broadcast not hte 254 |
| 15:26.15 | antgel | is it considered insecure to have an H.323 port open to the world? on a scale of 1-10 where 1 is daytime and 10 is exim? |
| 15:26.35 | Wharf | Oh |
| 15:26.45 | vlsoft | mosty: they are already limited in many ways. I use the security and other restrictions i can compile in to the kernel, the users environment is in a jail, etc... |
| 15:26.49 | Wharf | snd_atiixp used by 0 |
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| 15:26.57 | jethro | Starf^Work: 10.0.0.255 is a host adress in 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 15:27.16 | cahoot | Wharf: that's the alsa module |
| 15:27.20 | brullo | vlsoft: where are your users connecting from? NSA? ;-) |
| 15:27.27 | Wharf | snd_ac97 used by 1 snd_atiixp |
| 15:27.30 | Wharf | No? |
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| 15:27.33 | Starf^Work | so i should be ok using 10.0.0.254 with a 255.255.0.0 subnet mask |
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| 15:27.47 | jethro | Starf^Work: #networking |
| 15:27.51 | Starf^Work | lol |
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| 15:27.52 | petemc | Starf^Work: yes |
| 15:27.55 | brullo | Starf^Work: apt.cache show etherconf |
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| 15:28.03 | Starf^Work | kkk |
| 15:28.06 | jethro | Starf^Work: or google for documentation on IP networks |
| 15:28.11 | vlsoft | brullo: turkey, russia, china - the bad ones... Rumania, Ukraine, Slovakia - the normal users who should get in |
| 15:28.11 | brullo | Starf^Work: apt-cache show eterconf (sorry) |
| 15:28.12 | petemc | its as easy to answer the question... |
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| 15:28.12 | Wharf | No others listed |
| 15:28.19 | Wharf | Showing just atiixp |
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| 15:28.27 | KrLoS | hi every body |
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| 15:28.47 | KrLoS | listen to me please |
| 15:28.48 | stew | asg: hmm thats a start maybe. however its more like a sarge fucking with you instead of you fucking with sarge |
| 15:28.51 | nvz | man you can learn some really bad networking information right now |
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| 15:28.59 | cahoot | Wharf: yes obviously the alsa module is loaded - a simultaneous loaded oss module would make both systems unusable |
| 15:29.00 | KrLoS | meybe some one hay past debian relases |
| 15:29.12 | KrLoS | or some url to find it |
| 15:29.18 | Wharf | Could that be fixed? |
| 15:29.19 | Wanderer | anyone know a good mp3/stream player that'll work with kde (in debian unstable) and arts? |
| 15:29.21 | wesley | Hi everybody |
| 15:29.24 | azeem | KrLoS: archive.debian.org |
| 15:29.26 | asg | stew: true |
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| 15:29.27 | stew | asg: one of us might just have to buy some plastic soldiers and abuse them and take pictures :) |
| 15:29.32 | wesley | i bought a notebook compaq nx6125 |
| 15:29.33 | KrLoS | azeem, thanks |
| 15:29.37 | KrLoS | i goona look there |
| 15:29.38 | asg | stew: hehe, not a bad idea at all. |
| 15:29.44 | wesley | and i can inicialize the X server, because i receave a msg |
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| 15:29.47 | petemc | nvz: if you see something incorrect, you should correct it |
| 15:29.47 | wesley | no screens found |
| 15:29.50 | nvz | Wanderer: amarok |
| 15:29.52 | vlsoft | brullo: I start thinking, that my university is a "hacker school", where everyone is trying to make my job worse and worse... And if not my users doing them, then some evil hackers... Almost the same |
| 15:29.53 | wesley | do you have idea?? |
| 15:29.53 | brullo | vlsoft: My IBM Thinkpad X41 has integrated biometric login. |
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| 15:30.16 | cahoot | Wharf: yes - normally alsaconf makes the system load only alsa modules at reboot - you could try running alsaconf again |
| 15:30.21 | azeem | wesley: 17:21 < dpkg> no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 15:30.24 | nvz | petemc: heh, yeah right. there were way too many people with different versions of wrong I feel dumber just reading it |
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| 15:30.26 | Wanderer | nvz: checking, thanks |
| 15:30.40 | wesley | the error is: |
| 15:30.41 | KrLoS | azeem, i found that i was lookin |
| 15:30.42 | vlsoft | brullo: but i can't give all 10000 of users a byometric login device, "Here, take this, connect to your home computer, you can log in with only this device...". |
| 15:30.47 | KrLoS | azeem, thanks a lot |
| 15:30.51 | brullo | vlsoft: computer science students? |
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| 15:30.55 | Wharf | cahoot: It's asking me to select a card |
| 15:31.00 | vlsoft | brullo: most of them. |
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| 15:31.16 | brullo | vlsoft: ok... |
| 15:31.25 | cahoot | Wharf: is your card listed/a choice? |
| 15:31.25 | wesley | FATAL server error: no screens found |
| 15:31.40 | Wharf | cahoot: Atiixp ATI technoligys Inc, IXP150 AC'97 Audio controler (rev01) |
| 15:31.43 | afd_ | how can I reset the soundcard? It's beeping after I've changed engines in amarok. I'm using alsa |
| 15:31.44 | asg | !no screens found |
| 15:31.44 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 15:31.45 | Wanderer | wesley: that means something is confused, can be any number of things including your resolution is too high |
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| 15:31.51 | wesley | XIO: fatal IO error 104 connection reset by peer on x server ":0.0" |
| 15:32.01 | wesley | how? |
| 15:32.02 | Wanderer | wesley: simplify your config, set the resolution to 640x480, 16colors |
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| 15:32.10 | thingfish | wesley: are you just ignoring dpkg? |
| 15:32.11 | Wanderer | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:32.12 | Wharf | and legacy probe legacy ISA (non-pnp) chips |
| 15:32.17 | brullo | vlsoft: I am designing a radiolan network now for 900 users. we have looked at a certificate server solution. very nice. |
| 15:32.18 | wesley | no devices detected |
| 15:32.26 | Wharf | Shall i select atiixp thingy |
| 15:32.32 | wesley | how?? |
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| 15:32.41 | Starf^Work | still getting hammered on port 55000/udp |
| 15:32.43 | cahoot | Wharf: seems appropriate |
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| 15:32.51 | drac | !drxx wesley |
| 15:32.51 | dpkg | wesley: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:32.53 | Starf^Work | and 46598 |
| 15:32.57 | vlsoft | Conclusion is: I should continue adding more DROP lines to my input chain in iptables... |
| 15:33.05 | Starf^Work | although mainly 55000 |
| 15:33.08 | vlsoft | brullo: we use ldap and kerberos here... |
| 15:33.15 | thingfish | wesley has been told about drxx and no screens found. he's apparently not reading. |
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| 15:33.26 | stew | asg: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/offering/list/-/B000B7TOV8/ |
| 15:33.37 | Wanderer | nvz: amarok seems interesting so far |
| 15:33.37 | nvz | wesley: no devices detected sounds like you are using the wrong driver |
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| 15:33.42 | Wharf | Configuring snd-atiixp, do you want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound (and /etc/modprobe.conf if present)? |
| 15:33.43 | wesley | humm |
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| 15:33.48 | Wharf | Yes or no? |
| 15:33.50 | nvz | Wanderer: its not bad, for a KDE app :P |
| 15:33.51 | wesley | so pleaswe help me i'm a newbe |
| 15:33.55 | Wanderer | heh |
| 15:33.57 | wesley | have a look my notebook: |
| 15:34.02 | wesley | http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/321957-64295-89315-321838-f33-471753.html |
| 15:34.06 | asg | stew: ooooh, it even comes with a map! |
| 15:34.11 | stew | :) |
| 15:34.19 | davidw | very odd thing: I hit a web server that I run with ab -c 12 -n 100, and it locks up for a few minutes, even if I kill ab |
| 15:34.22 | brullo | vlsoft: ok, what about a sec policy that locks out hackercrackers? |
| 15:34.39 | cahoot | Wharf: yes |
| 15:34.44 | Wharf | Ok |
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| 15:34.56 | Wharf | Btw, i have done this part before |
| 15:34.59 | vlsoft | brullo: what else should i try out i haven't tried? |
| 15:35.10 | Wharf | It says Have a lot of fun |
| 15:35.17 | cahoot | Wharf: do that |
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| 15:35.24 | Wharf | back to prompt |
| 15:35.30 | nvz | some day I am going to own the worlds largest fly swatter |
| 15:35.36 | nvz | man I hate fucking flies |
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| 15:35.51 | wesley | could you see it? |
| 15:35.53 | KrLoS | azeem, here there are just binaries |
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| 15:35.58 | brullo | vlsoft: i have not read your entire problemdescription but it feels like a sec policy is the way to go since your users are very advanced ones |
| 15:36.05 | thingfish | I have been killing flies like mad the past few days. They're all trying to get inside because it is getting cooler outside. |
| 15:36.06 | cahoot | Wharf: try after a reboot now |
| 15:36.11 | KrLoS | azeem, maybe yo know a place to dnownmload a iso cd |
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| 15:36.24 | KrLoS | azeem, why |
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| 15:36.30 | Wharf | Ok, rebooting.. |
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| 15:36.50 | KrLoS | azeem, in my country we are planing a developer school |
| 15:36.56 | KrLoS | azeem, volunteers |
| 15:37.08 | thingfish | !tell wesley about ati drivers |
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| 15:37.19 | KrLoS | azeem, because of it we are lookin old machinnes |
| 15:37.27 | vlsoft | brullo: I allways try to set up a strong sec policy, but i have to stop at points, because if not, then they can't do they work needed for some classes, homeworks, etc. |
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| 15:37.42 | KrLoS | azeem, because we r looking for debian 2.1 ore 2.0 or les iso cd |
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| 15:38.39 | thingfish | wesley: I'd help you but I'm an nvidia baby. |
| 15:38.40 | brullo | vlsoft: exactly, but my point is that your computers is for academic work only and NOT for evildoing hackercrackers. |
| 15:38.57 | KrLoS | hi maybe know an url to get past iso cd debian realeases as slink or potato |
| 15:38.59 | KrLoS | or less |
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| 15:39.14 | Wharf | cahoot: Failed again |
| 15:39.27 | petemc | KrLoS: archive.debian.org perhaps |
| 15:39.35 | Wharf | Got a messege from soundserver |
| 15:39.36 | thingfish | wesley: maybe someone who has successfully installed drivers for ATI Mobility Radeon X300 can help you. |
| 15:39.36 | brullo | KrLoS: why 2.0/2.1 ? |
| 15:39.48 | azeem | KrLoS: no idea, sorry |
| 15:40.04 | KrLoS | azeem, tanks a lot |
| 15:40.07 | Wharf | Device /dev/dsp can't be opened (no such file or directory) |
| 15:40.08 | vlsoft | brullo: I have to control from where they can log in, but i don't know, from where they want in the future, too many people to say, log-in from only these countries: a, b, c. |
| 15:40.36 | Wharf | and soundserver will continue using the null output device |
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| 15:40.54 | KrLoS | brullo, in my country we are getting old pcs for making a small labs for people who want to learn developping |
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| 15:41.30 | KrLoS | brullo, and we want to use debian releases |
| 15:41.48 | Wharf | Cahoot: Nothing else that can be done? |
| 15:42.05 | KrLoS | brullo, we are the debian user group from arequipa peru |
| 15:42.12 | vlsoft | brullo: And i can say, there are evil ones who hate me because they can't do this or that on these computers, and hack them by some "sport". |
| 15:42.13 | brullo | vlsoft: i think a user policy that kicks out evildoers is the way to go. destructive hackercraking is NOT academic freedom I think. |
| 15:42.31 | cahoot | Wharf: not without some googling - I'd look at alsa-user mailing list |
| 15:42.54 | Wharf | Ah |
| 15:42.54 | brullo | KrLoS: Ok! What are the specs on your PCs? MHz and RAM? |
| 15:42.57 | KrLoS | brullo, and maybe this machinnes are 486 |
| 15:42.59 | nvz | this is just stupid http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/community/legends/index_flat.html "The Legends of ThinkPad stories are dramatizations based on events reported by customers. The video and photo reenactments feature individuals who are actors and locations that are sets. The ThinkPad systems depicted in the dramatizations were not involved in those events and may include features and software that were not available on the ThinkPad models i |
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| 15:43.16 | Wharf | Is it worth looking for a alsa irc channel |
| 15:43.17 | Wharf | ? |
| 15:43.29 | KrLoS | brullo, now we have 2 in 486 and 1 - 386 |
| 15:43.37 | cahoot | Wharf: not a bad idea #alsa IIRC |
| 15:43.48 | KrLoS | because of it we r looking old releases |
| 15:44.24 | brullo | KrLoS: what kind of development you plan to do? |
| 15:44.25 | KrLoS | brullo, 66Mhz 8 Mb RAM |
| 15:44.56 | KrLoS | brullo, shell, c, and probably python or perl |
| 15:45.14 | KrLoS | brullo, console |
| 15:45.33 | KrLoS | brullo, for making debian developers |
| 15:45.46 | KrLoS | brullo, actually in my country there aren't dd |
| 15:45.47 | brullo | KrLoS: Ok ...sorry I dont know where to find 2.0/2.1 ISO releases |
| 15:45.51 | vlsoft | brullo: I'll keep trying. I think i should go now, who knows, what these evil ones do now on my servers... |
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| 15:46.11 | brullo | vlsoft: Ok good luck |
| 15:46.13 | KrLoS | brullo, thanks a lo in the same way |
| 15:46.25 | t0mas | KrLoS: where do you get these pc's? |
| 15:46.43 | t0mas | I have a pile of Pentium 1's at my office... |
| 15:46.54 | t0mas | 100 to 166 mhz afaik |
| 15:47.03 | KrLoS | t0mas, my friend and my are loking in some places ... and buying those pc |
| 15:47.04 | t0mas | and something like 64 mb or 96 mb ram |
| 15:47.15 | KrLoS | t0mas, where do u live |
| 15:47.18 | t0mas | Holland |
| 15:47.23 | brullo | KrLoS: I have about 10 HP Pentium II in the basement |
| 15:47.27 | Starf^Work | how to work out which apache is isntalled ? |
| 15:47.34 | KrLoS | I am from Peru |
| 15:47.37 | t0mas | 50 P1's here |
| 15:47.51 | t0mas | if you can pay shipping for some of em then I can ask my boss to give em away |
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| 15:48.05 | t0mas | I don't think he minds... because they're just laying around being useless... |
| 15:48.23 | thingfish | and most places, you have to pay to get rid of old pc's. |
| 15:48.32 | Wharf | cahoot: any ideas what i should ask? |
| 15:48.32 | t0mas | and you can use debian woody on em pretty good :) haven't seen sarge running, but I don't think it's a problem |
| 15:48.33 | brullo | KrLoS: same here...if you pay shipping costs (from sweden) I THINK you can have them for free |
| 15:48.39 | thingfish | so giving them away to someone who can use them is ideal. |
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| 15:49.00 | KrLoS | thanks a los |
| 15:49.07 | t0mas | KrLoS: start with getting those PII's, if you need more... just email me... |
| 15:49.12 | brullo | KrLoS: HP pentium II 128 MB RAM 4 GB HD |
| 15:49.12 | t0mas | firstname@lastname.nl |
| 15:49.22 | t0mas | my name is Tomas Salfischberger (anti spam) |
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| 15:49.57 | KrLoS | i gonna splease |
| 15:50.04 | KrLoS | coul u give your mails |
| 15:50.05 | KrLoS | please |
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| 15:50.10 | ste | hi all. anyone having troubles (Critical error - immediate abort) with cron, after today update (sid)? |
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| 15:50.21 | brullo | KrLoS: brockle@spray.se |
| 15:50.42 | KrLoS | ithabks a los |
| 15:50.47 | t0mas | KrLoS: see privmsg |
| 15:50.50 | EMH_Mark3 | hello... I did and apt-get upgrade yesterday and now I can't ssh to my server anymore... local and remote connections to the upgraded server yield 'connection closed by remote host' after I enter my password |
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| 15:51.22 | Gijs` | Anybody ever ran runit instead of plain init ? |
| 15:51.39 | EMH_Mark3 | anyone knows what causes this and how I can fix it? |
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| 15:51.54 | t0mas | EMH_Mark3: putty from windows? then disable the close on exit... |
| 15:51.59 | t0mas | and check for more error messages |
| 15:52.13 | brullo | KrLoS: I have to check with my boss, but I think you can have them since they are just collecting dust in the basement now |
| 15:52.13 | t0mas | or try an ssh client from linux with -vvv for verbose output |
| 15:52.17 | t0mas | to see debug messages |
| 15:52.38 | EMH_Mark3 | t0mas: I get that error both using putty and command line ssh |
| 15:52.46 | Wanderer | nvz: hmm, seems I can't use amarok right now. doesn't support di.fm streams |
| 15:52.50 | KrLoS | t0mas, brullo i gonna write a mail for you thanks a lot |
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| 15:53.06 | brullo | KrLoS: ok |
| 15:53.50 | t0mas | EMH_Mark3: tried the debug output? |
| 15:53.51 | t0mas | with -vvv |
| 15:53.56 | stew | EMH_Mark3: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 15:55.47 | erirlar | is debian SID very unstable? |
| 15:55.50 | grendal_prime | is it me or is debian repositorys down? |
| 15:56.13 | be0wulf_ | now it's all cracked i keep installing samba-common |
| 15:56.24 | quiet | grendal_prime, what repos? |
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| 15:56.43 | be0wulf_ | but somehow i don't get smbd and nmbd |
| 15:56.43 | quiet | grendal_prime, i always use pair.com good speed and reliability |
| 15:57.02 | be0wulf_ | mabye now |
| 15:57.08 | quiet | smbd and nmbd are samba be0wulf_ |
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| 15:57.21 | be0wulf_ | jo |
| 15:57.27 | grendal_prime | im having all sorts of problems on this damn machine now... |
| 15:57.27 | csk | i am trying to install kubuntu and i am struck at |
| 15:57.27 | csk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.35 | csk | can some one help |
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| 15:57.41 | be0wulf_ | i think i should stop dealing with it..suffer from brainloss diseas |
| 15:57.43 | quiet | csk, kubuntu is ! == Debian |
| 15:57.47 | grendal_prime | i installed 3.4 kde |
| 15:57.53 | grendal_prime | its been a headack |
| 15:58.14 | be0wulf_ | csk restart the installation;)download the cds again |
| 15:58.36 | csk | quiet: kubuntu is debian |
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| 15:58.44 | quiet | NO |
| 15:58.46 | quiet | it's not |
| 15:58.52 | bob2 | csk: wtf, no |
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| 15:58.58 | ke6isf | csk: It is not Debian. |
| 15:59.02 | bob2 | csk: #kubuntu |
| 15:59.05 | ke6isf | csk: It is kubuntu. |
| 15:59.19 | csk | yes kubuntu |
| 15:59.19 | jayeola | hey chaps. where can i get mplayer from? i'm using sarge |
| 15:59.29 | quiet | jayeola, marillat |
| 15:59.30 | csk | it is the kde version of ubuntu |
| 15:59.32 | bob2 | jayeola: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 15:59.37 | bob2 | csk: and ubuntu is also not Debian |
| 15:59.37 | Wharf | cahoot: thanbks very much for your time. |
| 15:59.39 | quiet | google debian-marillat |
| 15:59.42 | Wharf | thanks* |
| 15:59.45 | jayeola | ty guys! |
| 15:59.46 | be0wulf_ | *g* |
| 15:59.46 | bob2 | csk: this is not up for discussion, go to #ubuntu or #kubuntu |
| 15:59.47 | jayeola | :-) |
| 15:59.48 | smacnay | where can one find older versions of debian packages? |
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| 15:59.57 | bob2 | smacnay: snapshot.debian.net might have it |
| 16:00.01 | smacnay | I would like to downgrade an app. |
| 16:00.03 | smacnay | bob2: thanks |
| 16:00.08 | bob2 | smacnay: or archive.debian.org for things from previous releases |
| 16:00.09 | EMH_Mark3 | hmmm I get this error in sshd -d output: PAM: pam_setcred(): Critical error - immediate abort |
| 16:00.12 | EMH_Mark3 | what does that mean o_O |
| 16:00.14 | be0wulf_ | and i thought i'm suffering from brainloss diseas |
| 16:00.21 | bob2 | EMH_Mark3: are you using sid? |
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| 16:00.30 | EMH_Mark3 | if by sid you mean unstable then yes |
| 16:00.54 | bob2 | I think that's a known pam bug |
| 16:01.20 | EMH_Mark3 | mkay... what can I do about it |
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| 16:01.30 | bob2 | dunno |
| 16:01.38 | bob2 | find the bug in the bts and look for a workaround, I guess |
| 16:01.45 | bob2 | I'd suggest http://bugs.debian.org/src:pam |
| 16:01.49 | as13 | i upgraded my sid and x-apps ran under root cant connect to not-root x-server |
| 16:02.01 | YourNick | Dose any one know a website i can dowload debian for free all ones i can find ask for money |
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| 16:02.28 | ke6isf | Herzog: Yes, keep changing your nick and you'll get an answer. |
| 16:02.34 | bob2 | Herzog: er? www.debian.org |
| 16:02.46 | ke6isf | Herzog: You can download from... oh, wait, bob2 got it. |
| 16:02.48 | bob2 | as13: X apps runs with "su" should always have been broken |
| 16:03.01 | ke6isf | Herzog: Where are you going that asks for money?! |
| 16:03.07 | zuralin | Herzog, google download debian... first link |
| 16:03.17 | bob2 | I've never seen a site that chareged to download Debian |
| 16:03.23 | bob2 | even planetmirror only asks for a donation |
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| 16:03.39 | as13 | bob2: they havent for some time... for me.. and now again |
| 16:04.07 | Herzog | Buy finished Debian CD-ROMs. >.< |
| 16:04.19 | Herzog | i dont want buy debian |
| 16:04.25 | ke6isf | Herzog: Yes, but that's not pay for download, that's buying the CDROMs. |
| 16:04.28 | bob2 | as13: anyway, "xhost +localhost" will "fix" that, or /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 16:04.33 | ke6isf | Herzog: Where is this? |
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| 16:05.06 | jethro | as13: use sux |
| 16:05.57 | smacnay | bob2: when I find the package I am looking for, do I add the .deb sources to my apt list and go from there? |
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| 16:06.19 | bob2 | smacnay: it's probably easier to just download the .deb and install it with "dpkg -i foo.deb" |
| 16:06.31 | bob2 | smacnay: if it's more than one package, tho, then what you said would be the way to go |
| 16:06.38 | smacnay | bob2: true, I just found the .deb file now. |
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| 16:07.20 | jethro | !fr |
| 16:07.21 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 16:08.23 | Finch | ok but yeah can i get you to paste link to the full download of debian |
| 16:08.53 | mith | bleh, why didn't https://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter-devel/2005-July/020513.html get rolled into the debian version of 2.6.8? |
| 16:08.58 | as13 | oh thanks jethro bob2 |
| 16:09.06 | jethro | as13: you're welcome |
| 16:09.17 | mith | (patch to fix an easy to trigger deadlock with ip_queue |
| 16:09.27 | bob2 | Finch: cdimage.debian.org |
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| 16:10.17 | ke6isf | Finch: 1) go to http://www.debian.org 2) click on "Getting Debian" 3) Scroll down to where it says to download the CD images 4) If you drop out, use a variant on your previous nick, don't change it outright, it throws us off when you keep changing it. |
| 16:10.18 | zophyx__ | cough |
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| 16:11.09 | mith | Should I send that to debian-kernel@lists.debian.org to make sure it gets rolled in before -r1? |
| 16:11.12 | nvz | doesnt confuse Piggy |
| 16:11.36 | bob2 | mith: filing a but on the right kernel-image is probably enough |
| 16:11.45 | mith | or is there a more specific person to notify? |
| 16:11.47 | bob2 | mith: (I'd assume the bug report gets automatically forwareded to that list) |
| 16:11.55 | mith | bob2: it's all 2.6 kernel images |
| 16:12.06 | zophyx__ | does crystal reports server run on debian ? |
| 16:12.25 | mith | zophyx__: does it run on linux? |
| 16:12.25 | bob2 | mith: oh, rock |
| 16:12.33 | bob2 | yay iptables |
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| 16:13.01 | nvz | mith: you found a bug too? or just bitching about something not included? |
| 16:13.03 | mith | ya, it fucks with this mysql/apache clustering stuff we're evaluating hardcore, the machines randomly deadlock and have to be rebooted, it's great |
| 16:13.16 | zophyx__ | mith: mebbe someone here has an experience with crystal reports and debian |
| 16:13.19 | mith | nvz: I didn't find a bug, but I found a nice netfilter patch that was overlooked by the kernel team |
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| 16:13.47 | solemn-laptop | hi all |
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| 16:13.50 | mith | nvz: it's been a known issue since before may it seems and is fixed in either .10 or .12 |
| 16:14.01 | mith | i hate you 2.6 |
| 16:14.03 | nvz | ah. I found some kind of scsi bug in the sarge 2.6 |
| 16:14.15 | solemn-laptop | if i make a user and group with uid+gid below 100 will apt NOT try to use the uid i used? |
| 16:14.20 | smacnay | bob2: that got it, thanks |
| 16:14.32 | mith | guess I'll go file it as a bug |
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| 16:15.01 | bob2 | smacnay: np |
| 16:15.02 | Starf^Work | fecking hate samba |
| 16:15.12 | mith | hopefully this one wont get ignored for 9 months like my bug against john not working on mmx, by the time the maintainer responded I no longer had hardware i could test on =/ |
| 16:15.22 | mith | err not working without mmx, I mean |
| 16:15.22 | bob2 | solemn-laptop: hm, I think the base-passwd package README.Debian has the details on that |
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| 16:15.43 | Starf^Work | the only way i have got it to work seamlessly is by setting up guest account to equal root and allow guest access to everything |
| 16:15.45 | nvz | Starf^Work: join the club. send a donation and become a card-holding member of the I Hate Samba club |
| 16:15.45 | asg | mith: my cowsay luke skywalker patch was applied within weeks :p |
| 16:15.52 | mith | haha |
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| 16:16.15 | Starf^Work | well samba isnt the problem i spose, its trying to get samba to authenticate to an active directory domain controller |
| 16:16.17 | wesley | how can i reconfigure XFree? |
| 16:16.33 | ke6isf | !drxx wesley |
| 16:16.33 | dpkg | wesley: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:16.35 | eeyore- | asg: "cowsay"? |
| 16:16.37 | jethro | wesley: how many times shall we tell you about drxx? |
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| 16:16.47 | asg | eeyore-: the greatest thing since sliced bread |
| 16:16.50 | bob2 | solemn-laptop: hm, I lie |
| 16:17.00 | EMH_Mark3 | wow. this is pretty dumb. seems there's a bug in PAM that makes it fuck up when there is no /etc/environment file present... |
| 16:17.05 | EMH_Mark3 | fix: touch /etc/environment |
| 16:17.09 | bob2 | hah |
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| 16:17.31 | asg | eeyore-: 'cowsay -f stimpy Nummies' makes your Outlooks stationary using friends jealous |
| 16:17.36 | solemn-laptop | can i safely use uids and gids 499+498? |
| 16:17.45 | EMH_Mark3 | thanks for the help t0mas & brullo |
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| 16:17.50 | bob2 | haha |
| 16:18.12 | smacnay | I just marked the older package with '=' in aptitude. |
| 16:18.14 | Gijs` | Configuring the base system... |
| 16:18.14 | Gijs` | /usr/sbin/base-config: ./prep-menu: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 16:18.15 | brullo | EMH_Mark3: ? |
| 16:18.18 | Gijs` | What is the meaning of that ? |
| 16:18.24 | asg | !bad interpreter |
| 16:18.25 | dpkg | [bad-interpreter] a wrong #! line in a script, or script is in crlf - which is the case, if 'od -b filename|grep 015' returns something; ask me about crlf->unix - or script is not executable (use chmod +x on it), or script is on a partition mounted with the noexec (mounting with "user" implies that) option. |
| 16:18.26 | Gijs` | I wanted to run base-config :( |
| 16:18.34 | bob2 | Gijs`: which filesystem do you have mounted noexec? |
| 16:18.36 | bob2 | /tmp/? |
| 16:18.48 | Gijs` | bob2: Yep. |
| 16:18.57 | bob2 | /tmp/ noexec breaks things |
| 16:19.03 | bob2 | and doesn't gain any security |
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| 16:19.23 | Gijs` | Because of the /lib/whatever.so thingie ? |
| 16:19.23 | Gijs` | :) |
| 16:19.28 | bob2 | Gijs`: cp /bin/ls /tmp/ ; /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /bin/ls |
| 16:19.29 | bob2 | yeah |
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| 16:19.47 | bob2 | some packages will fail to install with it noexec, anyway, so you'll need to enable it for now |
| 16:19.50 | smacnay | hmm, can one tell apt-get to hold a package? |
| 16:19.56 | asg | smacnay: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 16:20.13 | Sam-I-Am | hey guys |
| 16:20.17 | sbk | This is more of a kernel compile question really: I was following http://tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/x181.html and have some compile errors. I'm assuming it's something to do with the fact that the kernel has been installed from a debian package, as opposed to it being done "by hand". Is this correct? Or am I just doing something strange? Errors are at: http://channels.debian.net/paste/814 |
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| 16:20.29 | bob2 | smacnay: aptitude has it's own hold system, for some reason |
| 16:20.30 | Starf^Work | there a real player for linux? |
| 16:20.34 | Sam-I-Am | having trouble building a custom kernel to support a promise tx2300 sata controller for the install |
| 16:20.40 | Starf^Work | or debian |
| 16:20.53 | Sam-I-Am | used to be able to wedge a kernel onto a boot floppy, but d-i changed the rules |
| 16:21.01 | Sam-I-Am | and the documentation is... poor.. at best |
| 16:21.06 | nkuttler | sbk: /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:21.10 | thingfish | Starf^Work: I think it's available via marillat. |
| 16:21.24 | bob2 | sbk: that looks more like your headers are broken |
| 16:21.29 | Starf^Work | ? |
| 16:21.37 | thingfish | !marillat |
| 16:21.37 | dpkg | marillat is probably an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 16:21.37 | Sam-I-Am | anyone have any prebuilt boot floppys for promise contollers or can point me to some useful documentation on how to build d-i with one? |
| 16:21.41 | grendal_prime | i cant get marillat to work righ tnow |
| 16:21.52 | smacnay | bob2: neat, a simple echo command or dselect |
| 16:21.53 | reter | marillat is down remember |
| 16:21.57 | sbk | bob2: ah, interesting. hmm. I don't believe I did anything more than just install the kernel-xxx packages |
| 16:22.11 | thingfish | ooh no, I hadn't heard that marillat is down, sorry. |
| 16:22.13 | Starf^Work | k |
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| 16:22.29 | bob2 | sbk: where xxx = ? |
| 16:22.30 | grendal_prime | i cant get a lot of things to work right now though |
| 16:22.38 | Starf^Work | so no streaming radio 1 then |
| 16:22.40 | Starf^Work | yeee |
| 16:22.43 | Starf^Work | what about winamp? |
| 16:22.49 | Starf^Work | lol |
| 16:22.52 | asg | Starf^Work: install xmms |
| 16:22.52 | Starf^Work | err linamp |
| 16:22.52 | thingfish | Starf^Work: I use totem for my streaming needs. |
| 16:23.04 | Starf^Work | i wanna stream shouting cast |
| 16:23.06 | nvz | reter: no its not, thats way old news from like 3 months ago |
| 16:23.06 | asg | Starf^Work: basically the same thing (old winamp skins even work with it iirc.) |
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| 16:23.11 | sbk | bob2: I have kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 16:23.14 | bob2 | Starf^Work: "xmms" |
| 16:23.24 | bob2 | sbk: what does "uname -r" print? |
| 16:23.26 | sbk | bob2: oops, my mistake -- one second |
| 16:23.27 | Sam-I-Am | anyone know where to find the .config for the d-i 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:23.28 | Gijs` | bob2: Seems I can't set the timezone with base-config. Perhaps know what to do to set the Timezone correctly ? |
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| 16:23.36 | reter | nvz, what is the repository? everytime i update it saids it cant get that website |
| 16:23.37 | bob2 | Starf^Work: mplayer can play realaudio fine |
| 16:23.39 | asg | Sam-I-Am: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 16:23.45 | bob2 | Gijs`: tzconfig |
| 16:23.48 | Sam-I-Am | asg: isnt that after its installed? |
| 16:23.54 | nvz | reter: 09/09/2005 : cyberspace, the host for amd64 packages is down. Should be up in october. |
| 16:24.01 | asg | Sam-I-Am: of course |
| 16:24.07 | Sam-I-Am | well, i want to get it off the CD |
| 16:24.15 | nvz | reter: the site is up. your url or key or something is wrong |
| 16:24.15 | reter | nvz, so it is down |
| 16:24.23 | reter | nvz, why are you saying that i am wrong? |
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| 16:24.26 | Sam-I-Am | so i can compile a kernel just like it... adding the promise controller driver |
| 16:24.27 | Gijs` | bob2: tzconfig shows up the correct timezone. still when I do an ntpdate it get's 2 hours earlier. :/ |
| 16:24.33 | nvz | reter: no, the host for the *AMD64 packages* is down |
| 16:24.39 | Sam-I-Am | its interesting that debian includes tons of modules but not for sata |
| 16:24.43 | reter | nvz, my url hasnt changed. i got the apps through that website |
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| 16:24.47 | nvz | reter: and you are wrong I am at the site right now |
| 16:24.53 | nvz | reter: are you using sarge? |
| 16:24.53 | bob2 | Sam-I-Am: sure they do |
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| 16:25.00 | reter | nvz, yes |
| 16:25.04 | Sam-I-Am | bob2: d-i doesnt see my tx2300 at all |
| 16:25.05 | reter | nvz, what is the website? |
| 16:25.07 | bob2 | Sam-I-Am: you chose the linux26 option, right? |
| 16:25.11 | Sam-I-Am | bob2: yes |
| 16:25.17 | bob2 | Sam-I-Am: is the driver for that in the mainline kernel? |
| 16:25.19 | nvz | reter: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 16:25.24 | Sam-I-Am | dont think so |
| 16:25.32 | Sam-I-Am | thats why i wanted to find the .config for the d-i kernel |
| 16:25.56 | Sam-I-Am | i guess i could try to pull the file out of the package on the CD |
| 16:26.01 | sbk | bob2: http://channels.debian.net/paste/815 |
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| 16:26.20 | bob2 | Sam-I-Am: right, debian kernels don't generally include random out-of-tree modules |
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| 16:26.30 | reter | nvz, that is wrhat i have in my sources.list and it doesnt work |
| 16:26.39 | Sam-I-Am | bob2: i believe the "tx2" module is in the tree |
| 16:26.41 | mgh0^ | just finishing the install of the nvidia graphics card driver, what exactly should i comment out in the xorg.conf? |
| 16:26.53 | Sam-I-Am | as i see it in my source |
| 16:27.08 | bob2 | Sam-I-Am: I don't see it in 2.6.12 |
| 16:27.16 | penguin_ | If you lose your desktop locks up, how to reboot it with rebooting the machine? |
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| 16:27.28 | bob2 | sbk: looks ok to me, but it's 0230 and time to crash, sorry |
| 16:27.30 | asg | penguin_: CTRL+ALT+F1 and kill X |
| 16:27.39 | Ronin | penguin_: can restart x, never mind :) |
| 16:27.40 | asg | penguin_: you can also ssh in and do the same. |
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| 16:27.53 | Sam-I-Am | bob2: the promise tx2 under scsi/sata stuff? |
| 16:27.57 | penguin_ | So just kill X? |
| 16:27.59 | sbk | bob2: no problem -- thanks for taking a look anyway :) |
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| 16:28.12 | asg | penguin_: kill $(pidof X) |
| 16:28.18 | josemena_14 | does anyone know how to save changes of a vim file? |
| 16:28.22 | asg | penguin_: if it's really foobed, you might need kill -9 |
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| 16:28.27 | asg | josemena_14: :w |
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| 16:28.31 | Sam-I-Am | CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_PROMISE=m |
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| 16:28.36 | reter | nvz, failed to fetch http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary=i386/packages.gz 404 not found |
| 16:28.37 | Sam-I-Am | thats in 2.6.8 |
| 16:28.41 | penguin_ | Thank you! |
| 16:28.42 | asg | josemena_14: :w /path/to/another/file (to save it to another file) |
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| 16:28.55 | nkuttler | josemena_14: and run vimtutor |
| 16:29.00 | bob2 | Sam-I-Am: that appears to be a different kernel |
| 16:29.05 | josemena_14 | asg: I am in insert mode right now, how do I get out of insert mode and save it to the same file ? |
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| 16:29.09 | asg | josemena_14: ESC |
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| 16:29.19 | Finch | so can some one give me a link to debian download |
| 16:29.19 | Starf^Work | rioghjt |
| 16:29.20 | Starf^Work | bye |
| 16:29.22 | asg | josemena_14: hit it a few times to be sure. Then :w |
| 16:29.24 | Starf^Work | thanks for all the help |
| 16:29.30 | josemena_14 | okt hank you |
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| 16:29.30 | nkuttler | Finch: debian download? |
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| 16:29.35 | resiak | !d-i Finch |
| 16:29.36 | dpkg | Finch, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 16:29.40 | Sam-I-Am | bob2: different from? its the kernel-source deb for 2.6.8 |
| 16:29.44 | asg | josemena_14: :x will write and quit, :q will quit w/o writing. |
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| 16:30.00 | reter | nvz, like i said you are wrong. marillat is down |
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| 16:30.11 | reter | actually it should be in the topic... MARILLAT IS DOWN |
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| 16:30.15 | nkuttler | reter: not for me |
| 16:30.28 | reter | then what is it? is it allergic to me? |
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| 16:30.39 | nkuttler | reter: or is nerim.net a mirror? |
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| 16:30.55 | reter | nerim.net 404 not found |
| 16:31.05 | nkuttler | reter: a 404 is definitely not down |
| 16:31.07 | reter | IP: 62.4.17.14.80 |
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| 16:31.18 | nvz | reter: it is not you moron :P |
| 16:31.19 | reter | its been like that for weeks though |
| 16:31.20 | Finch | hey they are all cd |
| 16:31.22 | jethro | reter: there's too many bytes in this IP address :) |
| 16:31.31 | Sam-I-Am | ah crap, meeting... |
| 16:31.34 | nkuttler | Finch: what do you want? |
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| 16:31.42 | josemena_14 | thank you |
| 16:31.44 | Sam-I-Am | problem will wait a little longer :) |
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| 16:32.04 | josemena_14 | asg: that helped me configure my boot config inside of of the OS of final scratch which does not have nano |
| 16:32.05 | reter | look, all i know that for a couple of weeks my update hasnt been able to get access to marillat |
| 16:32.12 | asg | josemena_14: :) |
| 16:32.18 | nvz | 64 bytes from 62.4.17.14: icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=163 ms |
| 16:32.24 | mama_pitufo | I was trying to upgrade sid and it failed while installing libpam, ldconfig segfaults. any ideas? I can ls -l /var/ (for example), but ls /usr/lib segfaults |
| 16:32.25 | nvz | its up, you are down |
| 16:32.26 | stouset | Is there a way to do simple math using bash alone? |
| 16:32.28 | resiak | reter: Replace stable/testing/unstable in your sources.list with sarge/etch/sid |
| 16:32.39 | josemena_14 | asg: :x would of been faster, I should not of ran off so quick to try :w haha |
| 16:32.48 | brullo | stouset: apt-cache show bc |
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| 16:32.57 | asg | josemena_14: in vi, there are dozens of ways to do the same thing :) |
| 16:33.00 | stouset | brullo: Won't work for what I need it for. I'm doing this in bash: |
| 16:33.18 | stouset | if [ $? -ne ($J + 3)] |
| 16:33.20 | reter | how do i do that resiak? |
| 16:33.24 | stouset | Or whatever can replace that $J + 3 inline. |
| 16:33.30 | asg | stouset: echo $(( 3 + 1 )) |
| 16:33.33 | nkuttler | reter: with an editor? |
| 16:33.35 | stouset | asg: Bingo, thanks. |
| 16:33.44 | resiak | reter: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change the entry. |
| 16:33.47 | josemena_14 | asg: the commands are a little differnet, do you know a good website what would teach all the commands because for some reason Final Scratch does not allow for a man vim :( |
| 16:33.51 | reter | erase stable main..and what do i type in its place? |
| 16:33.51 | asg | stouset: that's only integer math though, be careful. |
| 16:33.54 | resiak | josemena_14: vimtutor! |
| 16:33.55 | mama_pitufo | straceing the segfaulting ldconfig, it dies when stating /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1 |
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| 16:34.03 | asg | josemena_14: vim.org should get you going |
| 16:34.06 | brullo | stouset: ok...then I dont know. bash is bash afaik |
| 16:34.19 | resiak | reter: Which version of debian are you using? |
| 16:34.20 | smacnay | has anyone ever had luck getting midnight commander access a samba share? I have tried 'cd /#smb:SHARE/dir' and do get the login prompt. But no luck on actually logging in. |
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| 16:34.21 | jjazz | josemena_14: From in vim, do :help |
| 16:34.32 | josemena_14 | ahhh inside vim do :help |
| 16:34.34 | asg | josemena_14: if you find yourself needing to do work with vim in the future, the vim pocket guide from O'Reilly is only $10 or so and is helpful. |
| 16:34.35 | stouset | asg: That's all I need it for :) |
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| 16:34.45 | josemena_14 | Iw ill do both, thank you |
| 16:34.45 | asg | stouset: okay |
| 16:34.49 | asg | josemena_14: you're welcome |
| 16:35.02 | wesley | people i have a ati radeon x300.. |
| 16:35.13 | reter | resiak, sarge |
| 16:35.15 | wesley | i'd like to know how can i set it in my debian.. |
| 16:35.20 | nvz | reter: if you went to the damn site I gave you, you would not be spouting off like a fool. you would see all the recent news that we have all told you about, you would see that the site is up, and you would see how to properly add it to your sources list. http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ is the official site |
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| 16:35.30 | resiak | reter: In the marillat line of your sources.list, replace the release name stable with the codename sarge. |
| 16:35.33 | wesley | because when i try to startx i receave the msg no screens found |
| 16:35.34 | resiak | !tell wesley -about ati |
| 16:35.42 | resiak | !tell wesley -about noscreensfound |
| 16:35.54 | thingfish | wesley has already been told umteen times about all these. |
| 16:36.11 | nvz | 12/06/2005 : New directories names. Now stable is sarge, testing is etch and unstable is sid. Please update your sources.list |
| 16:36.23 | brullo | wesley: sudo poweroff? :-) |
| 16:36.24 | nvz | way old news |
| 16:36.46 | asg | nvz: I forgot he was French, 12/06/2005 looks an awful lot like December there for a moment. |
| 16:36.58 | nvz | heh |
| 16:37.17 | jjazz | asg: Packages... FROM THE FUTURE! |
| 16:37.22 | reter | ok thank you resiak |
| 16:37.24 | asg | jjazz: or news at least |
| 16:37.25 | resiak | Why can't people just use dd/mm/yyyy or yyyy-mm-dd as nature intended?! |
| 16:37.27 | nvz | asg: what does this look like then 26/06/2005 ? |
| 16:37.35 | asg | resiak: because usians have to be different |
| 16:37.43 | asg | nvz: ENOPARSE to me |
| 16:37.44 | resiak | asg: Right. Can we kill them all please? |
| 16:37.54 | asg | resiak: be my guest, I'll inheret the snacks |
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| 16:38.04 | jjazz | nvz: Packages from other dimensions. (Should the plural of dimension be "dementia"?) |
| 16:38.27 | thingfish | wesley: maybe try asking, "Can someone with experience installing fglrx lend me a hand getting them installed for my ATI Mobility Radeon X300?" |
| 16:38.43 | thingfish | wesley: I'd help but I only have experience with nvidia. |
| 16:38.50 | wesley | humm |
| 16:38.57 | wesley | i'm sorry my english is so so bad |
| 16:38.57 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 16:38.57 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
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| 16:39.05 | valdyn | wesley: its all there ^^ |
| 16:39.17 | boboblebob | sorry! |
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| 16:39.32 | thingfish | wesley: your english is fine. |
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| 16:39.55 | asg | !qotd114 |
| 16:39.55 | dpkg | i heard qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 16:40.13 | thingfish | wesley: ou vc pode ir a #debian-br, para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 16:40.51 | wesley | ohh god i wanna cry |
| 16:40.52 | nvz | speak of abrotman and he comes :P |
| 16:40.56 | abrotman | what? |
| 16:41.01 | abrotman | what did i do? |
| 16:41.02 | asg | abrotman: qotd114 |
| 16:41.06 | nvz | abrotman: asg called up qotd114 |
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| 16:41.07 | abrotman | !qotd114 |
| 16:41.07 | dpkg | [qotd114] <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
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| 16:41.10 | wesley | i cant set it.. i did everything and nothing.. |
| 16:41.10 | abrotman | oh .. ok |
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| 16:41.25 | abrotman | my aural receptors were burning! |
| 16:41.26 | nvz | abrotman: one minute before you arrived |
| 16:41.26 | thingfish | wesley: go to #debian-br - they can help you in your native language. |
| 16:41.35 | forca_armada | hi... how do I choose my default window manager besides in the gdm startup?! |
| 16:41.37 | asg | abrotman: thought it was your beer-sense |
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| 16:41.51 | wesley | ow.. great |
| 16:41.56 | abrotman | asg: no .. last night's beer killed my beer sense :) |
| 16:41.57 | valdyn | forca_armada: with update-alternatives or in ~/.xsession |
| 16:42.10 | asg | abrotman: heh |
| 16:42.19 | nvz | when bitter beer attacks tonight at 11 |
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| 16:42.50 | jjazz | abrotman: celebrating Ortiz, I presume? |
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| 16:43.04 | abrotman | jjazz: nah ... i didn't even know they won til this AM ... |
| 16:43.15 | abrotman | jjazz: and i'm not sure i'll get to watch any complete games this weekend :( |
| 16:43.20 | forca_armada | valdyn: how about if the ~/.xsession file is not present? |
| 16:43.24 | jjazz | abrotman: Oooh, that sucks. I'm sorry. |
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| 16:43.27 | whitehorse1 | dpkg: KDevelop? |
| 16:43.27 | dpkg | kdevelop is probably the best developing software, especially as it's KDE, or available at http://kdevelop.org |
| 16:43.40 | asg | nvz: followed closely by 'Nightime Sermons with the Porcelain God' |
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| 16:43.42 | abrotman | jjazz: i'll get to watch parts .. and obviously celebrate the sox making the playoffs :) |
| 16:43.43 | nvz | dpkg, traitor |
| 16:43.44 | whitehorse1 | dpkg: Is a Kdevelop package in Debian? |
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| 16:43.56 | resiak | whitehorse1: dpkg is a bot. |
| 16:43.57 | asg | !info kdevelop sarge |
| 16:43.57 | abrotman | kdevelop3 |
| 16:43.58 | nvz | !info kdevelop |
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| 16:44.01 | jjazz | abrotman: It all depends on Cleveland. |
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| 16:44.07 | resiak | kdevelop is not in testing iirc |
| 16:44.08 | abrotman | dpkg: you lie |
| 16:44.09 | asg | !bite whitehorse1 |
| 16:44.13 | abrotman | !info kdevelop3 sid |
| 16:44.13 | resiak | !why is kdevelop not in testing? |
| 16:44.14 | dpkg | kdevelop is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdevelop |
| 16:44.16 | dpkg | kdevelop3: (An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.2.2-0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 1071 kB, Installed size: 3524 kB |
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| 16:44.20 | mon | is there some routine i can follow to find out what HW/SW makes my computer crash? |
| 16:44.23 | abrotman | !info kdevelop3 etch |
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| 16:44.28 | resiak | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdevelop3 even. |
| 16:44.33 | resiak | whitehorse1: ^^ that one |
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| 16:44.41 | abrotman | i know why it's not in testing |
| 16:44.50 | abrotman | cause .. kde sucks |
| 16:44.52 | stew | resiak: there is no kdevelop anymore, kdevelop3 is in sid currently |
| 16:44.57 | asg | whitehorse1: #debian-kde might have an idea also |
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| 16:44.59 | resiak | stew: I just remembered after hitting enter |
| 16:45.01 | whitehorse1 | nod |
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| 16:45.38 | kamaraju | No. KDE rules. It is awesome. |
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| 16:45.44 | Ronin | heh no kidding nvz :) |
| 16:45.46 | resiak | !start a de war |
| 16:45.49 | cesar | d |
| 16:46.17 | stew | hah |
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| 16:46.50 | nvz | poland is full of watered down beer and women who don't shave from what I hear |
| 16:46.52 | whitehorse1 | Dayamm one meelion reasons why kdevelop3 isn't in testing yet. Sigh. To resolve all that stuff such as gcc versions I'd have to completely move over to Sid from Testing :( |
| 16:46.58 | jjazz | mon: I think the first step would be to figure out if you can make the box crash. Is there something you always do right before it freezes? |
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| 16:47.12 | nvz | who would want to invade such a country |
| 16:47.22 | mon | jjazz: no i just leave the pc, don't even touch it. 5 minutes later i can't do a thing |
| 16:47.27 | jjazz | nvz: I thought Poland had decent beer. I've been misinformed. :( |
| 16:47.39 | jjazz | mon: Does it happen every time you leave it? |
| 16:47.45 | mon | jjazz: it's been stable for the last year. only thing i did is remove an extra ide HD. though i think it may just be X crashing |
| 16:47.46 | scanwinder | when i have both my pcmcia wirless card and my pcmcia usb2 card in, i cannot get my wireless card to connect to the access point yet if i only have in my wireless card, it works perfectly fine....................anyone got any ideas on what might be causing it? |
| 16:47.49 | mon | jjazz: today it has... |
| 16:47.57 | thingfish | nvz: maybe a country that wants their piroshki recipes? |
| 16:47.58 | Knight_Lord | Compared to chezch beer is bad compared to US beer it's great |
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| 16:48.24 | nvz | thingfish: bah their cuisine is even less desirable than the women and beer |
| 16:48.26 | jjazz | mon: Try to ssh into the box. That will tell you whether it's truly crashed or if it's just not responding to input. |
| 16:48.29 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:48.32 | asg | scanwinder: are both cards network cards? |
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| 16:48.56 | jjazz | nvz: Pierogi are awesome, as is polish mustard and kielbasa. |
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| 16:49.11 | scanwinder | asg: no, one is a wireless network card and the other is a card with usb ports on it |
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| 16:49.20 | mon | jjazz: no wait. i'm pretty sure it's X(org) now i think of it. i can move the mouse, but that's it |
| 16:49.22 | asg | scanwinder: oh, okay. |
| 16:49.36 | jjazz | mon: If you can move the mouse, the box is definitely live. |
| 16:49.38 | nvz | you can get Pierogis right here in Da Burgh as well as a cold Irn and some sleazy women who at least take the time to shave |
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| 16:50.03 | mon | jjazz: so what can it be then? it doesn't accept any input except for mouse movement |
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| 16:50.38 | whitehorse1 | Jesus what a mess. The only docs package for Kdevelop is in old stable, ok scrub that one because Sid/Sarge has Kdev3 docs. The software itself is in Sarge/Sid but not Etch. Lost on how the version in Sarge isn't in Testing at least, since Etch became testing when Sarge was released as Stable in June to replace Woody |
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| 16:50.51 | EdibleText | dpkg, test |
| 16:50.51 | dpkg | Yes, edibletext, you're still online. |
| 16:50.57 | jjazz | mon: Will it accept cntrl-alt-bspace or ctrl-alt-F1? |
| 16:51.02 | nvz | oh, ffs can we get a +b *!*@195.242.244.147 or at least a ban on the ident that never changes? |
| 16:51.06 | mon | jjazz: nope tried that |
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| 16:51.40 | resiak | whitehorse1: Because KDE is being transitioned to a newer version, and it's got held up in Sid. |
| 16:51.56 | whitehorse1 | A pox on GCC 4.0 then. :( |
| 16:51.57 | jjazz | mon: Well, we're beyond my knowledge. At least you've narrowed the problem down. Perhaps somebody can help you figure out some specifics. |
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| 16:52.34 | nvz | okaAooPF: get a life fucktard. |
| 16:52.41 | whitehorse1 | I've been running 3.4.1 of KDE (the debian-desktop.org backport of it to Sarge) in Etch for a while without probs. Sigh. |
| 16:52.45 | mon | jjazz: k. thanks anyway |
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| 16:53.19 | nvz | that bot is staying a full minute and changing nicks over and over again |
| 16:53.22 | mon | jjazz: oh could monitor frequency stuff have something to do with it? i've been fiddling with my LCD screen. which used to work just great |
| 16:53.53 | nvz | which gets around anti-spam measures. |
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| 16:53.59 | scx_ | *scx sais: 723(hello) |
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| 16:53.59 | jjazz | mon: Anything in the X settings could have something to do with it. Go back to your old config and see if that solves your problem. |
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| 16:54.35 | Frodus | What version is patched from that nasty security flaw ? |
| 16:54.38 | whitehorse1 | I'm still lost. If KDevelop3 - the version in Sarge not Sid, will work in Sarge... then surely it'll work in Etch without causing dependency hell etc. |
| 16:54.40 | Frodus | for Firefox ? |
| 16:54.44 | mon | jjazz: my old config made my screen tell me "warning this is an overdrive mode, switch back to 1280xsomething@60hz" |
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| 16:54.56 | mon | jjazz: though you're right, it should work since it did before |
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| 16:55.03 | nvz | Frodus: upstream or in debian? |
| 16:55.07 | whitehorse1 | But Etch has nada in the way of that tool. It must've been removed @ some point. |
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| 16:55.14 | nvz | Frodus: and which nasty securiy flaw? |
| 16:55.24 | jjazz | mon: Right, but did it crash? If you change back to that and it stops crashing, you'll know that the solution to your problem is finding the right settings. |
| 16:55.27 | Frodus | nvz: http://www.frsirt.com/exploits/20050922.PwnZilla.php |
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| 16:55.39 | Frodus | nvz: That security flaw |
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| 16:55.47 | mon | jjazz: it didn't crash but my screen autoshutdown after 10 minutes as a safety measure |
| 16:55.48 | Frodus | nvz: Is 1.4 patched ? |
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| 16:56.03 | jsan | my friends is possible help me please ? |
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| 16:56.13 | jsan | i have a problem sthit postfix!!! |
| 16:56.18 | jsan | my server stoped |
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| 16:56.25 | asg | jsan: check the logs |
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| 16:56.28 | Frodus | nvz: It's not just a little one either it's freaking major |
| 16:56.28 | resiak | whitehorse1: Because a library the old one depended on had a new-ABI version put into Testing, probably. |
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| 16:56.38 | mon | jjazz: but ok, i have something to start at now. hopefully i'll figure it out. thanks |
| 16:56.39 | jjazz | mon: Hmm. You obviously need to get the correct settings for your monitor. |
| 16:56.46 | jjazz | mon: Good luck. |
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| 16:58.25 | asmodaiii | http://asmodaiii.free.fr/site/photos_001/shot0001.jpg << debian stylish :-) |
| 16:58.26 | whitehorse1 | resiak: Hmm, checked ftp-master. It has unmet dependencies on suggests packages only e.g. cpp docs. On that basis, is have no version of Kdevelop/3 in Etch whatsoever (tho Sarge/Sid have one) an error? |
| 16:58.30 | error403 | Does anyone know any good avi -> VCD converters? |
| 16:58.42 | yang | Which package can be used for uploading images from digital cameras |
| 16:58.48 | USlvlC | anyone got time/patience to help with some bios settings for installation on dual P2 mobo with 80 gig seagate hd? |
| 16:58.55 | asg | yang: gphoto perhaps |
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| 16:59.22 | asg | yang: or gphoto2 |
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| 16:59.27 | nkuttler | anybody saw the ibm commercial where they fire their linux guy "because we're buying ibm now"? wtf? |
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| 16:59.53 | EdibleText | yang, you may just need to mount the usb mass storage device. |
| 17:00.14 | resiak | whitehorse1: I don't know how it happened. |
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| 17:00.52 | whitehorse1 | nkuttler: Yep :( I particularly liked (sarcasm) the part where they say 'and he knows Linux' - like it's an impenetrable sysadmin thing...aka not suitable for desktop use |
| 17:00.53 | jjazz | nkuttler: An IBM (well, Lenovo, I guess) rep told my coworker on the phone that they couldn't send him a warranty shipping box until he reinstalled Windows. He claimed they just don't support Linux. Fortuantely, he relented after my coworker talked to his supervisor. |
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| 17:01.29 | nkuttler | how confusing... |
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| 17:01.52 | Anarion | how do i create an xp profile on samba |
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| 17:02.27 | EdibleText | Anarion, what are you trying to do? |
| 17:02.29 | jjazz | Anarion: I think you need to make that question more specific. What is an XP profile? |
| 17:02.38 | whitehorse1 | So adding stable depository lines to my (otherwise Etch) sources.list file, well, via Synaptic and update/upgrading |||where newest version is preferred||| will safely install Kdevelop3 for me; assuming it doesn't list unresolvable dependencies |
| 17:02.38 | nvz | Frodus: thats useless to me, I can not find a vulernability in my program to this damn script, and thats not an official report from either debian or mozilla, so its pretty much off-topic here |
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| 17:02.50 | themagician | Hi everyone I am having a problem I was wondering if you could help me with when I restarted my server the ProFTPD daemon gives me a error of - getaddrnfo 'server1.mike.net__bin _hostname_F' error: Name or service not know next error -warning: unable to determn IP address of ; server1.mke.net__bin_hostname_-F next error: no vald servers configured -Fatal: error processing configuraton file /etc/proftpd.conf yesterday it was workin |
| 17:02.51 | themagician | g find? can someone help please |
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| 17:03.04 | pip_ | hello |
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| 17:03.07 | EdibleText | Anarion, are you getting errors about roaming prifiles while connecting to samba domain? |
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| 17:03.17 | EdibleText | profiles even? |
| 17:03.22 | nvz | Frodus: I am going to try looking it up via the CAN |
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| 17:03.24 | Anarion | nope |
| 17:03.28 | Anarion | i-m not getting any errors |
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| 17:03.35 | foo | There was something wrong with my net install cd ... how can I run the sysconfig again? |
| 17:03.39 | simonrvn | themagician: uh, read the error messages. this isn't windoze where the error msgs don't make sense |
| 17:03.41 | Anarion | just trying to set up samba as pdc |
| 17:03.45 | ruzgar | there is anyone knows how can i connect internet with t-online dsl? |
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| 17:03.53 | Anarion | and i'd like to have my profiles on the server |
| 17:03.58 | simonrvn | ruzgar: pppoeconf |
| 17:04.01 | Anarion | so that i can login from everywhere in the house |
| 17:04.12 | pip_ | can anyone help me with the installation of debian testing netinstall? |
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| 17:04.20 | themagician | i went through the /etc/proftpd.conf and can't see anyting wrong with it |
| 17:04.32 | ruzgar | but i cant install t-online pppoeconfig |
| 17:04.33 | EdibleText | Anarion, so set up samba as a PDC. then connect from any computers around the house |
| 17:04.37 | Ronin | pip_: whats so hard? put in the cd, reboot |
| 17:04.40 | pip_ | i have an external firewire cd |
| 17:04.45 | Anarion | yes |
| 17:04.47 | simonrvn | themagician: read. the. error. message. the. whole. thing. |
| 17:04.50 | Anarion | the problem are now the profiles |
| 17:05.00 | Anarion | i copied the one i had on my xp machine |
| 17:05.12 | Anarion | but it kinda failed |
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| 17:05.19 | ruzgar | i read a german text about that but my german is not good i cant understand |
| 17:05.23 | Anarion | well for xample ive got n english keyboard |
| 17:05.25 | pip_ | and i must load it manual |
| 17:05.33 | pip_ | but i dont know how |
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| 17:05.46 | stew | oh shit, a DSA on gopher. better stay away from malicious gopher servers! |
| 17:05.49 | Anarion | ruzgar about what |
| 17:05.53 | ruzgar | the text say enter your informations like that username-0001@t-online.de |
| 17:06.03 | asg | stew: don't forget the badgers |
| 17:06.09 | nkuttler | ruzgar: don't you know the username? |
| 17:06.14 | ruzgar | yes |
| 17:06.17 | EdibleText | Anarion, my mindreading hat and farsight glasses are in the shop. could you give specifics |
| 17:06.18 | Anarion | well i mo gonna try with webmin |
| 17:06.19 | stew | heh |
| 17:06.20 | ruzgar | but ist different |
| 17:06.25 | ruzgar | it is deffernt |
| 17:06.31 | nkuttler | ruzgar: it's a long number, isn't it? |
| 17:06.37 | nvz | Frodus: its not even officially on CVE but I can at least work with the CAN number. its not mentioned in the changelog for sarge |
| 17:06.37 | ruzgar | i have 4 information |
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| 17:06.46 | asg | gopher gopher gopher gopher wais wais wais wais gopher gopher gopher gopher FTP!!! FTP!!!! |
| 17:06.47 | kaphein | My Debian install hangs at 1% "Configuring Network ..." any ideas ? |
| 17:06.48 | ruzgar | yes its a long number |
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| 17:06.50 | themagician | being new to GNU/Linux I am still learning all ths stuff so to me the error make s no sences yet |
| 17:07.18 | ruzgar | connecting number is first information than user name then usre number then usre password |
| 17:07.27 | Anarion | u know in order to login from a xp machine on samba u need to store profiles on the sambaserver |
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| 17:07.31 | Anarion | and i need to create profiles |
| 17:07.38 | ruzgar | but the program ask me two things user name and password |
| 17:07.38 | pip_ | i load sbpcd |
| 17:07.40 | nkuttler | ruzgar: what url are you reading? |
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| 17:07.51 | ruzgar | one minute |
| 17:07.51 | USlvlC | what are the DMA settings for x86 arch install i cannot seem to find the info anywhere |
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| 17:07.53 | nkuttler | ruzgar: don't you have the password? |
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| 17:08.00 | pip_ | is this right for an firewire medium? |
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| 17:08.31 | ruzgar | http://channel.debian.de/faq/ch-confignet.html |
| 17:08.38 | ruzgar | yes i have oll things password too |
| 17:08.43 | mwilson | USlvlC: What has led you to think that you need to mess with whatever your BIOS has done by default? |
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| 17:09.12 | nvz | Frodus: all I know thus far is that the exploit claims to be applicable to Firefox >= 1.0.6 IDN support |
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| 17:10.04 | USlvlC | i reset it and it keeps failing with either kernel panic no drq after issuing write |
| 17:10.11 | ruzgar | also my modem isnt an router |
| 17:10.18 | ruzgar | also my modem isnt a router |
| 17:10.23 | ralbar2 | debian testing.. latest gimp doesnt have a print option anymore...wth.. hehe did i miss the memo? |
| 17:10.32 | USlvlC | i reset the bios to its defaults |
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| 17:10.37 | AciD | hi |
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| 17:10.57 | xwolf | ruzgar: german? |
| 17:11.01 | ruzgar | no |
| 17:11.06 | ruzgar | my german is bad |
| 17:11.12 | nvz | Frodus: shortly I should be able to say what the status of debian packages are. Still working on it. |
| 17:11.13 | stew | !info gimp-print etch |
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| 17:11.25 | nkuttler | ruzgar: i haven't used t-dsl for four years, and i did use roaring penguin pppoe back then, look into http://www.datenhighway.com/adsl/linux-tdsl-v1.html |
| 17:11.27 | stew | hmm |
| 17:11.29 | ruzgar | but i live in german |
| 17:11.30 | EdibleText | Anarion, how do you know whatever you are trying to do isnt working? |
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| 17:11.49 | xwolf | nkuttler: i was about to suggest that url, too ;) |
| 17:11.51 | nkuttler | ruzgar: the user number etc. hast to be combined with one of the others iirc for the username thing |
| 17:11.54 | simonrvn | debian's pppoX stuff *is* rp-pppoe |
| 17:11.55 | EdibleText | ruzgar, sounds wet |
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| 17:12.13 | stew | ralbar2: /msg dpkg why is gimp-print not in testing |
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| 17:12.22 | nkuttler | ruzgar: you may get help at #debian.de if you ask nicely, there are people who speak english |
| 17:12.38 | karma1 | I keep getting this error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/816 in /var/log/messages, but, I already did "iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p udp --dport 67:68 --sport \ 67:68 -j ACCEPT" and it still doesnt pass through, any reason why? |
| 17:12.41 | nkuttler | simonrvn: oh |
| 17:12.51 | ralbar2 | stew: thanx |
| 17:13.12 | caphuso | what's the problem? you take the three numbers, concatenate them, append a @t-online.de and be done with it |
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| 17:13.25 | ruzgar | hııım ok ill try |
| 17:13.28 | simonrvn | nkuttler: t1 or oc3 or something? ;p |
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| 17:13.44 | caphuso | the only gotcha is that the second number needs to be padded with # to be exactly 12 characters long |
| 17:13.52 | usn | good evening |
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| 17:14.11 | nkuttler | simonrvn: no, modem :-/ |
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| 17:14.33 | ruzgar | ok thanks a lot |
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| 17:15.05 | simonrvn | oh, i take it dial-up. that sucks. it's doable if you do just e-mail and light browsing. image-heavy sites are hell on dial-up |
| 17:15.29 | kaphein | I'm installing Debian with a Netinst boot cd and install hangs at 1% "Configuring Network ..." any ideas ? |
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| 17:15.52 | nkuttler | well i work at the university and have a laptop. and now i have dsl again since 2 months. |
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| 17:17.47 | EdibleText | kaphein, everytime? |
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| 17:18.18 | nav5 | I was trying to setup thunderbird in debian to work with gmail, should me smtp outgoing server my isp's smtp server or google's smtp server? |
| 17:18.39 | xelam | nav5: ISP's |
| 17:18.39 | simonrvn | either |
| 17:18.46 | xelam | not that it should matter |
| 17:19.05 | whitehorse1 | nav5: Yeah either. Depends what you want the mail you send to go from. |
| 17:19.28 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 17:19.49 | nav5 | simonrvn: does that mean you have a smtp server running on your machine? sorry I'm new with all this |
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| 17:20.07 | stew | nav5: you also have an smtp server running on your machine |
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| 17:20.24 | danor | is there any way to read ufs2 in debian? |
| 17:20.24 | foo | During the "Debian base system configuration" I keep getting this error ... "One of more packages failed to install. This may be due to ..." - any ideas? This is my third time trying to reinstall debian.. I don't know what the problem is. hmm |
| 17:20.38 | whitehorse1 | I'm confused over how a Debian subproject e.g. Debian-Lex is a custom Debian Distribution project too e.g Debian-Lex again. Yet for example SELinux is a subproject and no mention of custom dists there |
| 17:20.38 | xelam | is there an installer for debian that will install it onto a harddisk, when booted from network and logged in remotely? |
| 17:20.49 | nav5 | stew: can you point me to a tutorial/documentation regarding using my own smtp server? |
| 17:21.00 | whitehorse1 | foo: does the package have a name? Do you have enough diskspace |
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| 17:21.24 | asg | playskool should come out with a series of books for tykes called. The first one could be 'My First SMTP Server' |
| 17:21.33 | whitehorse1 | nvz: It's me slowing them ;) trying to install kdevelop3 from sarge into my etch setup |
| 17:21.36 | foo | whitehorse1: What package have a name? It looks like e2progs or something like that is having a problem.. screen goes by too fast for me to see. Yes, I have enough disk space. |
| 17:21.40 | simonrvn | nav5: you do too. but i also manage dns and other stuff for our domains, and static IPs, which let me send mail to sites that would refuse dynamic IP mail |
| 17:21.43 | nvz | whitehorse1: you ass :P |
| 17:21.50 | karma1 | I keep getting this error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/816 in /var/log/messages, but, I already did "iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p udp --dport 67:68 --sport \ 67:68 -j ACCEPT" and it still doesnt pass through, any reason why? |
| 17:21.55 | jp6 | is etch testing and sid unstable or am i backwards? |
| 17:21.56 | asg | karma1: ask #iptables |
| 17:22.00 | foo | whitehorse1: Anymore ideas? |
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| 17:22.06 | simonrvn | jp6: that's right |
| 17:22.10 | jp6 | thanks |
| 17:22.11 | whitehorse1 | heh sorry ;p at least take solace in fact I'll pay for mixing stable and etch in tears down the line g |
| 17:22.31 | whitehorse1 | foo: sorry no (still fairly new myself) |
| 17:22.44 | nvz | I am trying to get the latest firefox packages cause I cant think of a better way to view the changelogs, and the BTS is slow as piss so I gave up on checking for bugs filed |
| 17:22.58 | nvz | maybe my connection is just slow today |
| 17:23.04 | foo | whitehorse1: ah, thanks |
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| 17:24.13 | takatumi | nvz: aptitude changelog foo |
| 17:24.35 | nvz | Frodus: well I know for sure the sid package is patched.. checking etch now |
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| 17:25.20 | nvz | og well he left |
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| 17:26.38 | jp6 | sorry if its been discussed to death, but what is the future of amd64 support in debian? |
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| 17:26.55 | cheal | !tell jp6 about amd64 |
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| 17:27.01 | nvz | for everyone else then http://bugs.debian.org/327452 is CAN-2005-2871 and is _closed_ fixes in Etch and Sid so far |
| 17:27.02 | jp6 | thanks |
| 17:27.19 | rking | i've --force-depends'd a package (thanks Skype®), and now i keep getting nagged about removing the "broken" package or "providing a solution". how do i provide a solution? bust open the package with dpkg-deb and edit the depends list? |
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| 17:28.15 | azeem | rking: well, what Depends are missing? |
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| 17:28.56 | rking | azeem: skype thinks it depends on libqt3c102-mt, but really it just depends on libqt3-mt |
| 17:29.11 | azeem | ho-hum |
| 17:29.34 | azeem | rking: well, you could extract the package, edit the control information, and repack |
| 17:29.35 | stouset | rking: Bleh, Skype is severely borked on Linux. |
| 17:29.36 | foo | This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/re-Depends loop - I get this when trying to install something. I did have a problem during install |
| 17:29.37 | azeem | or live with it |
| 17:29.38 | whitehorse1 | Where does one file a report that package$foo should be removed from Debian? (ie not a bug against the package to be proposed for removal) |
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| 17:29.46 | foo | Any ideas? |
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| 17:30.10 | azeem | whitehorse1: why do you think it should get removed? |
| 17:30.24 | rking | stouset: yep - but i can't (yet) get my cow-orkers to switch to iax. |
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| 17:31.04 | cheal | whitehorse1: one doesn't, except if one is foo's maintainer |
| 17:31.15 | whitehorse1 | azeem: It is archaic and redundant. I shan't mention the package name in main channel but type wise it was something of a 'joke' program anyway & now it's obsolete |
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| 17:31.37 | cheal | rking: equivs? |
| 17:31.40 | whitehorse1 | cheal: The maintainer has it in Unstable too. Crazily. I shouldn't think they'll remove it themselves |
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| 17:31.59 | azeem | whitehorse1: well, if the maintainer wants to maintain it, you can't do much |
| 17:32.02 | rking | dpkg: equivs? |
| 17:32.02 | dpkg | i guess equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 17:32.18 | rking | thanks cheal! |
| 17:32.27 | cheal | whitehorse1: it is part of a maintainer's job to request the removal of its packages |
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| 17:32.47 | nvz | dpkg, CAN-2005-2871 is <reply> CAN-2005-2871 is a Firefox <=1.0.6 buffer overflow vulernability. It is *resolved* with _fixes_ upstream https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&id=307259 also a known and fixed issue in Debian http://bugs.debian.org/327452 packages mozilla-firefox_1.0.6-5_i386.deb (etch) and mozilla-firefox_1.0.7-1_i386.deb (sid_ |
| 17:32.47 | dpkg | nvz: okay |
| 17:32.54 | zophyx__ | does zinc absorb or reflect microwaves ? |
| 17:33.13 | stew | whitehorse1: which package? |
| 17:33.25 | whitehorse1 | azeem: it's clutter and redundant/obsolete || cheal: If they haven't done so and "comparitively" recently threw it into unstable as well, they probably won't wanna remove it. |
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| 17:33.29 | nvz | dpkg CAN-2005-2871 =~ s/sid_/sid)/ |
| 17:33.30 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
| 17:33.32 | whitehorse1 | Should I say the packagename here? |
| 17:33.38 | rking | whitehorse1: yep! |
| 17:33.40 | whitehorse1 | in main chan I mean |
| 17:33.41 | whitehorse1 | ok |
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| 17:33.49 | stew | is it a secret? |
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| 17:34.00 | takatumi | if it's packaged how can it be? |
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| 17:34.01 | rking | stew: so exciting, isn't it? |
| 17:34.05 | stew | cliffhanger |
| 17:34.11 | nvz | dpkg CAN-2005-2871 =~ s/_i386.deb//g |
| 17:34.11 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
| 17:34.12 | cheal | whitehorse1: indeed. many Debian packages are redundant and obsolete, that doesn't constitue a problem per se. |
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| 17:34.41 | whitehorse1 | Packagename: sdate . However, the "September that never ended" (USENET afficionados will know the tale well) did end; last September. AOL ceased providing NNTP access to customers globally. Hence redundant package. |
| 17:34.58 | azeem | oh, that one |
| 17:34.59 | dipnlik | started to install debian using floppies available at http://debian.inf.elte.hu/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ . downloaded rescue, root and the 4 driver floppies and used them to install. now it asks for a "base" floppy. what is that? |
| 17:35.07 | whitehorse1 | stew : nah not a secret, just didn't want to cause any political row |
| 17:35.10 | whitehorse1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:35.20 | takatumi | nvz: s/vulernability/vulnerability |
| 17:35.26 | azeem | whitehorse1: I agree it is stupid, but we can't do much about it |
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| 17:35.54 | cheal | whitehorse1: what do you have against sdate!!! |
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| 17:36.02 | stew | whitehorse1: since the maintainer did a new upload of the package this month, he must not think its obsolete |
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| 17:36.30 | whitehorse1 | cheal: A package devoted to A September that will never ends. Oh no wait, it ended. ! |
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| 17:36.37 | whitehorse1 | ugh typing |
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| 17:36.40 | nvz | takatumi: OK. |
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| 17:36.52 | nvz | !CAN-2005-2871 |
| 17:36.52 | dpkg | CAN-2005-2871 is a Firefox <=1.0.6 buffer overflow vulnerability. It is *resolved* with _fixes_ upstream https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ bug number 307259 also a known and fixed issue in Debian http://bugs.debian.org/327452 packages mozilla-firefox_1.0.6-5 (etch) and mozilla-firefox_1.0.7-1 (sid) |
| 17:36.56 | stew | whitehorse1: but if you feel strongly about it, you should by all means file a bug or write the maintainer |
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| 17:36.59 | nvz | takatumi: looking good now? |
| 17:37.06 | cheal | whitehorse1: it will just drop in popcon and end up on etch's 20th CD then |
| 17:37.07 | rking | whitehorse1: i can imagine the package having value - just being able to goof with the date is useful for testing while developing |
| 17:37.09 | whitehorse1 | Okay. Where's the most correct and appropriate place to file a bug please? Presumably not against the package. |
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| 17:37.22 | azeem | whitehorse1: there is none |
| 17:37.25 | stew | whitehorse1: /msg dpkg reportbug ; yes, against the package |
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| 17:37.40 | whitehorse1 | rking: Ok cool. So rewrite it :) Actually I think there're other packages that do that better already tho |
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| 17:37.44 | takatumi | nvz: yeep. |
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| 17:37.58 | azeem | whitehorse1: you don't get to request package removals except if you're on the QA team or the maintainer itself |
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| 17:38.27 | azeem | (incidently, the maintainer of sdate *is* on the QA team) |
| 17:38.27 | nvz | takatumi: I didnt like the nasty long url from bugzilla so I took it out :P debian BTS are nasty too, but atleast the short method of bugs.debian.org/number works.. doesnt work on bugzilla |
| 17:38.28 | cheal | I'm not sure even the QA team does that |
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| 17:39.06 | whitehorse1 | stew: And if he say "noo" then is there a procedure to elevate the issue? || azeem: It's not the end of the world or mission-critical admittedly. But it IS obselesced by the change last year and is thus clutter; albeit once a kinda cute jab at everyone's fave (*snicker*) ISP. |
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| 17:39.18 | jrziviani79 | hi people! Does anybody could tell me where's the Kdevelop package? I looked for it in some mirrors but it appears doesn't exists anymore...or changed the name |
| 17:39.18 | whitehorse1 | azeem: Ah interesting ty |
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| 17:39.29 | whitehorse1 | jrziviani79: Are you teasing me? |
| 17:39.35 | whitehorse1 | jrziviani79: I asked that a while ago :) |
| 17:39.42 | cheal | jrziviani79: which release? |
| 17:40.06 | whitehorse1 | jrziviani79: It is **NOT** in Etch. It's in Sarge and Sid. The Sid version won't work in Etch at all due to requiring GCC4 |
| 17:40.16 | whitehorse1 | amonst others, which needs KDE3.4.2 etc etc |
| 17:40.21 | jrziviani79 | whitehorse1: sorry, I didn't see your post :-( |
| 17:40.33 | cheal | kdevelop is only in woody. look for kdevelop3 for sarge and sid |
| 17:40.37 | whitehorse1 | jrziviani79: No it's cool please don't apologise! :o) |
| 17:40.39 | jrziviani79 | I use Sarge |
| 17:40.40 | stew | whitehorse1: in the initial ITP the maintainer mentions that this is useful for testing other stuff similar to Y2K |
| 17:40.44 | whitehorse1 | j: Was a while ago |
| 17:40.48 | cheal | jrziviani79: kdevelop3 |
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| 17:41.05 | stew | whitehorse1: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/04/msg00580.html |
| 17:41.06 | asg | stew: as well as playing practical jokes |
| 17:41.25 | jrziviani79 | thank you people!!! |
| 17:41.37 | yang | When installing package usbmount, does it require any special editing in kernel? |
| 17:42.04 | whitehorse1 | jrziviani79: I have Etch installed with KDE3.4.1 from debian-desktop.org. I'm attempting to see if Kdevelop3 from Sarge'll install (I have prefer latest version set in the synaptic aptget frontend) to avoid dependencyy hell |
| 17:42.13 | yang | for using USB mass storage Devices |
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| 17:42.57 | whitehorse1 | yang: I **DID** see a really useful Debian mailing post message linked from a debian page yesterday on that exact issue. I'm v sorry but I didn't bookmark it maybe someone else here'll know tho |
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| 17:43.59 | jrziviani79 | whitehorse1: I think I go compiling the sources from the kdevelop pages...maybe it be easier |
| 17:44.00 | stouset | Hrm, what is the Debian historical package archive? |
| 17:45.12 | takatumi | stouset: snapshot.d.n? |
| 17:45.20 | stouset | Yeah, just remembered it. |
| 17:45.25 | stouset | Thanks. |
| 17:45.25 | whitehorse1 | stew: Thank you, I'm reading that thread now. From what I can determine the package maintainer seems to be obstructive/adamant when suggesting it's removal occurs |
| 17:45.44 | yang | do default linux kernels have support for USB mass storage device? |
| 17:45.57 | nvz | takatumi: so how does this aptitude changelog thing work. I can get changelogs for uninstalled packages? even in this case for etch and sid when I run sarge? |
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| 17:46.17 | EdibleText | yang, have you tried to mount the device with 'mount', yes there are modules for usb mass storage. |
| 17:46.17 | stew | yang: yes, /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 17:46.37 | whitehorse1 | jrziviani79: Hmm, I may try that route too :/ |
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| 17:47.07 | nvz | takatumi: I was using wget and dpkg -x which takes a long time |
| 17:47.16 | takatumi | nvz: works for the dist you are running, it downloads it from http://changelogs.debian.net/ |
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| 17:47.50 | dreamind | Hi folks :) |
| 17:48.01 | EdibleText | yang, plug in the device; run 'dmesg' |
| 17:48.14 | dreamind | can anybody help me with snmp and mrtg? |
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| 17:48.38 | EdibleText | dreamind, can you explain what your problem is? |
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| 17:48.46 | dreamind | I have the problem, that the number for the interface constantly changes |
| 17:48.53 | nvz | takatumi: ah, well then thats useless to me :P but the changelogs.debian.net is cool, I didnt know about that. |
| 17:48.54 | dreamind | first its 27:public@localhost: |
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| 17:49.05 | dreamind | and after a pppoe reconnect its 28:public@localhost: |
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| 17:49.14 | nvz | takatumi: seems to show the changes from unstable. but goes way back beyond current stable releases. |
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| 17:49.23 | dreamind | and after the next reconnect its 29:public@localhost: |
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| 17:49.31 | dreamind | and reconnects happen every 24h |
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| 17:49.57 | nvz | takatumi: f.e. changelogs.debian.net/mozilla-firefox goes all the way back to when phoenix 0.4.1 was in unstable |
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| 17:50.32 | nvz | takatumi: the whole page is from the point of view of unstable though it seems |
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| 17:51.29 | cheal | wow, phoenix :) what would be funny would to start calling it iceweasel now :D |
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| 17:51.37 | terminal2k | would someone mind answering a complete n00b problem? |
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| 17:52.01 | stew | !tell terminal2k about ask |
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| 17:52.19 | dreamind | EdibleText: any idea? |
| 17:52.40 | EdibleText | dreamind, no |
| 17:52.45 | dreamind | hm :( |
| 17:52.53 | takatumi | nvz: I find it very useful, read changelog prior to upgrading a package, mark for upgrade, hit 'C' from the aptitude UI to retrieve, upgrade if changes are substantial. (especially for large packages) |
| 17:53.03 | terminal2k | i have just setup a pc with debian on it, its an older pc and only supports up to 800*600 resolution, now when it boots up it must be trying to use a higher res.. how do i change this particular setting? |
| 17:53.16 | stew | !drxx terminal2k |
| 17:53.17 | dpkg | terminal2k: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 17:54.04 | whitehorse1 | I deinstalled the changelog as I'd have to scroll thru the most nitpicky minor drivel every time I installed a package not to mention its recommended cousins ;) If changing anything significant I look at the changelog on an ad-hoc basis nnow |
| 17:54.17 | nvz | takatumi: yeah but my system does that already with apt-listchanges every time I install something. what I needed it for today was to check changelogs of debian as a distro, not just debian stable |
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| 17:54.39 | mac | is there some script/utility which will auto-parse a DSA security advisory and apt-get the appropriate package if an older version already exists on the system? Doing this manually is tedious, errorprone, and annoying as hell... |
| 17:54.47 | takatumi | nvz: the difference being that, you get to read the changelog before package download. |
| 17:54.57 | caphuso | mac: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:55.36 | mac | caphuso: too risky... this will break the system too often, as I run sid... only want to upgrade packages which have actual security issues |
| 17:55.38 | nvz | takatumi: apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs run before I download as well. |
| 17:55.45 | xelam | after using debootstrap to install a basic system on /dev/hda1, what do I have to do to make it bootable? |
| 17:55.47 | nvz | takatumi: they would be useless if they didnt |
| 17:55.48 | caphuso | mac: uh, there are no security updates for sid |
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| 17:56.13 | nvz | takatumi: it happens before the confirmation that you normally get running apt-get |
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| 17:56.34 | nvz | takatumi: gives you the information, then lets you choose if you shall proceed or not |
| 17:56.35 | whitehorse1 | None automatically tracked+distributed via repositories |
| 17:56.44 | mac | caphuso: what do you mean? the DSA specifies which version of the package fixes the issue in sid as well as sarge, etc. |
| 17:56.50 | mwilson | mac: So actually managing your system is just too much trouble for you, huh? |
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| 17:57.24 | takatumi | nvz: it still downloads the package, but prior to install. |
| 17:57.39 | nvz | takatumi: only thing I am considering using aptitude for over apt-get anymore is removal of packages. |
| 17:57.42 | nvz | takatumi: right |
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| 17:58.00 | caphuso | mac: yes. along the lines of "glibc 2.3.5 has a buffer overflow. this has been fixed with the glibc 2.4 package in unstable" |
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| 17:58.04 | nvz | aptitude does a good job of cleaning up orphaned packages when you remove |
| 17:58.35 | mwilson | Actually, aptitude does a suck-ass job at that, and is prone to remove packages on a whim. |
| 17:58.54 | nvz | oh well maybe not |
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| 17:59.00 | CoryK | will xfree86 work with an xorg config file? |
| 17:59.08 | mac | mwilson: well, it's stuff that should be easily automated... doing stuff in a labour-intensive fashion is not "good system administartion"... it's just a waste of your time, when it could be done by a script |
| 17:59.16 | whitehorse1 | mac: http://lists.gllug.org.uk/pipermail/gllug/2005-July/053576.html - altho naturally there're no repository updates for Sid so read with that in mind |
| 17:59.23 | mwilson | mac: Then why haven't you written one yet? |
| 17:59.33 | nvz | I never actually use aptitude.. and I just tried to aptitude remove apt-listbugs which I just installed recently, and it did not offer to remove the unwanted dependancies of apt-listbugs I had installed with it |
| 17:59.55 | mwilson | nvz: Because aptitude didn't originally install the package. |
| 18:00.03 | n0cturnal | anyone every played with ipac-ng? trying to run the fetchipac -S command. getting a message "cannot allocate memory" |
| 18:00.04 | Segers_J | I thought deborphan did just that |
| 18:00.04 | CoryK | hmmm |
| 18:00.13 | nvz | mwilson: ah. I didnt know it only kept track if you used it all the time |
| 18:00.14 | CoryK | x keeps crashing because it can't find the mouse:| |
| 18:00.31 | nvz | I will stick to the old ways then |
| 18:00.40 | nvz | I will keep track of my own packages |
| 18:00.47 | CoryK | ooooh it worked this time:) |
| 18:01.10 | mac | whitehorse1: thx... I already have something along those lines, from another posting,... I'm concerned that this may not be as foolproof as a script actually checking each DSA individually. |
| 18:01.25 | mac | mwilson: because before I write one I'm going to see if anyone else wrote one |
| 18:01.46 | nvz | actually if Piggy were to recall I've probably been told that same factoid about aptitude more than thrice now, and still probably wont remember it |
| 18:02.01 | caphuso | mac: your whole idea is flawed. you can't rely on DSAs for stable to keep your unstable system secure |
| 18:02.06 | nvz | cause I dont much like aptitude, never have, and probably never will |
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| 18:02.13 | mwilson | IMHO, anyone who creates automation to install packages in unstable without human oversight is a fool. |
| 18:02.19 | caphuso | that too |
| 18:02.21 | whitehorse1 | mac: aye. |
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| 18:03.33 | mac | caphuso: it's an additional measure... I have other means by which I try to keep the system up to date... this method is only for plugging holes I might have missed otherwise |
| 18:03.34 | stew | wow, i managed to create files with a hard return in the name, and now rename refuses to deal with them |
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| 18:04.35 | whitehorse1 | stew: reportbug ;) |
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| 18:04.43 | mac | caphuso: still, aren't all security updates flagged first by a DSA? If I keep on top of the DSA alone, shouldn't I have a relatively up to date/secure system? |
| 18:04.57 | mwilson | Hardly. |
| 18:05.07 | mwilson | If the problem is only in unstable, there may be no DSA at all. |
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| 18:05.16 | caphuso | mac: only vulnerabilities affecting _stable_ get DSAs |
| 18:05.20 | nvz | it amuses me when people manage to create files with impossible names |
| 18:05.26 | resiak | stew: How does it fail? I just read less `which rename` and there's no reason for it to fail. |
| 18:05.28 | mac | caphuso: assuming I'm looking at DSA's ("in sid this is fixed in version so and so") |
| 18:05.41 | caphuso | if the package isn't in stable or the version in stable is too old for the flaw, then therw won't be any DSAs |
| 18:05.48 | mwilson | caphuso: You've said that three times, and he just doesn't get it. |
| 18:05.55 | caphuso | mwilson: cluebie |
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| 18:06.03 | caphuso | mwilson: (not you, of course) |
| 18:06.07 | stew | oh, nm, "s/foo.*//" failed, but "s/foo.*//m" worked, PICNIC |
| 18:06.09 | whitehorse1 | caphuso: even with advent of testing getting security updates and tracking thereof? |
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| 18:06.30 | resiak | stew: In other words, the problem was that . does not match \n by default in Perl? :) |
| 18:06.30 | whitehorse1 | stew: Still, reportbug ;p |
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| 18:06.44 | stew | whitehorse1: no, it wasn't a bug |
| 18:06.45 | resiak | whitehorse1: No, it's not a bug. the first argument to rename is a perl expression. |
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| 18:06.54 | whitehorse1 | ok |
| 18:06.54 | stew | resiak: in other words, i wrote an incorrect regex, yeah |
| 18:06.57 | LSorense | whitehorse1: I got the impression that testing will get security fixes, but preferably through unstable just getting a fix and it moving in to testing asap. I may have misunderstood the intent though. |
| 18:07.01 | resiak | stew: :) What's PICNIC? |
| 18:07.10 | stew | problem in chair, not in computer |
| 18:07.13 | resiak | Ah |
| 18:07.14 | LSorense | whitehorse1: in cases where the version in testing and usntable isn't the same, testing could get a direct fix |
| 18:07.14 | whitehorse1 | It involves ants |
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| 18:07.33 | caphuso | whitehorse1: it does? |
| 18:07.57 | whitehorse1 | cap yep |
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| 18:08.09 | whitehorse1 | check debian weekly news, a recent issue |
| 18:08.13 | rudenstam | my box changes ip all the time and I have no idea why.. dhclient binds to a new ip every now and then.. sometimes as often as twice in 1 minute |
| 18:08.24 | caphuso | whitehorse1: really? and here i was, thinking that there was just a best effort kinda unofficial testing security group... |
| 18:08.30 | rudenstam | I have no idea what so ever what's wrong.. |
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| 18:08.54 | nvz | rudenstam: run dhclient and see how long it says your lease is :P |
| 18:09.14 | stew | though actually it should have done a replacement, not "Unsuccessful stat on filename containing newline at /usr/bin/rename line 59." |
| 18:09.20 | mwilson | dhclient logs that anyway, each time it gets an IP. |
| 18:09.24 | whitehorse1 | caphuso: Well c'mon now it's hardly identical to Stable security updates as an entity. However, it's a few feet ahead of "a best effort wholly unofficial testing group" |
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| 18:09.28 | mwilson | And its lease file tells you as well. |
| 18:09.33 | caphuso | whitehorse1: it is? |
| 18:09.39 | nvz | mine are 3600seconds for dynamic and 1800seconds for static |
| 18:09.48 | nvz | I dont know why, just works that way |
| 18:10.00 | rudenstam | nvz: it sais renewal in 1800 sec in logs.. but the worst time I got a new ip after 79 seconds.. and that's not normal |
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| 18:10.10 | resiak | stew: Well then I suppose that is a bug :) |
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| 18:10.34 | n0cturnal | I have a patch for iptables which fixes a segfault in the ipac-ng package. it is in a .patch file format. how do i apply it? |
| 18:10.38 | whitehorse1 | caphuso: Go discuss it here if you want to. http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/0dbcef23577ca6a9/3991636f0ed5f7fc#3991636f0ed5f7fc |
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| 18:11.00 | whitehorse1 | n0cturnal: consider also submitting via BTS |
| 18:11.06 | n0cturnal | bts? |
| 18:11.06 | mwilson | I *so* love how much better things work when you actually buy quality equipment... |
| 18:11.08 | chealer | lsorense: no that's not the testing security idea. it's basically just the same as stable security |
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| 18:11.32 | whitehorse1 | n0cturnal: Bug Tracking System. check debian.org sitemap to find it |
| 18:11.33 | nvz | n0cturnal: Bug Tracking System, bugs.debian.org |
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| 18:11.42 | whitehorse1 | n0cturnal: See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/09/msg00337.html re patches |
| 18:11.42 | n0cturnal | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315351 |
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| 18:13.02 | rudenstam | no.. wait.. worst.. I had an ip for 8 seconds |
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| 18:14.32 | nvz | mwilson: you buy computer equipment? |
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| 18:15.11 | mwilson | nvz: Of course. How else do you get it? |
| 18:15.17 | nvz | screw quality, I'm looking for free stuff |
| 18:15.27 | nvz | mwilson: for free, like software |
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| 18:15.57 | rudenstam | nvz: option dhcp-lease-time 3600; |
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| 18:16.32 | mwilson | rudenstam: Well, yeah. |
| 18:16.39 | nvz | rudenstam: networking isnt my bag. I cant really help you. its probably something wrong with the hardware either nic, cable or dhcp server |
| 18:16.42 | mac | caphuso,mwilson: (just read more thoroughly, including the lines I missed) wow, I was under a huge misconception then; so let me get this straight, the only "reasonably secure" way of keeping a sid system secure is by a daily "apt-get upgrade"? |
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| 18:16.56 | honschu | Where to find unofficial "mplayer"-packges for sarge? |
| 18:16.58 | caphuso | mac: yes |
| 18:16.59 | CodeWarrior_ | hello folks |
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| 18:17.11 | mwilson | mac: No, the way to keep a unstable system secure is intelligent system management. |
| 18:17.17 | deja | Hi. What program do I need to install to be able to work with java type programs. Like azurues or limewire. Or to be able to work with certain types of websites. I have read the java faq But I couldn't understand it right. Can someone help me out? |
| 18:17.21 | mwilson | mac: Not blind upgrades. |
| 18:17.24 | caphuso | mac: you will obviously have to deal with all the breakage occuring that way, but that's unstable for you |
| 18:17.39 | CodeWarrior_ | is there anybody knows if Mars-Nwe package still there's on stable debian x86 (sarge) ? |
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| 18:17.45 | whitehorse1 | honschu: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 18:17.46 | rudenstam | nvz: yeah... well.. server is my bet cuz he changed isp and it started like this |
| 18:17.50 | brullo | deja: there is a torrent client available |
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| 18:18.01 | mikael_ | hello |
| 18:18.05 | Red_LAbel | VSF |
| 18:18.08 | Red_LAbel | ????????????/ |
| 18:18.10 | Red_LAbel | helper |
| 18:18.11 | Red_LAbel | staff |
| 18:18.14 | Red_LAbel | irc |
| 18:18.17 | Red_LAbel | buceta |
| 18:18.19 | Red_LAbel | xana |
| 18:18.21 | mikael_ | my system says /etc/network/options is deprecated, is there something that replaces it ? |
| 18:18.35 | crispynix-v6 | what's that oh-so-hackable wireless router that linux can be installed on? the wrt51g? |
| 18:18.40 | Red_LAbel | a soh |
| 18:18.41 | mac | mwilson: well, then my next question is, as I want to only upgrade the packages with security fixes, how can I keep informed with regards to which packages have been fixed securitywise? I was using DSAs for that, but as you point out this is incomplete |
| 18:18.43 | nvz | Red_LAbel: shut up, make sense, or be silenced |
| 18:18.43 | deja | brullo: that's bittornado, right? |
| 18:18.47 | nvz | ffs |
| 18:18.53 | Red_LAbel | nvz |
| 18:18.55 | Red_LAbel | quen ser vc |
| 18:18.58 | chealer | crispynix-v6, 54 |
| 18:19.00 | Red_LAbel | pega eu Filho da Puta |
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| 18:19.03 | zinx | crispynix-v6: 54g, but there are a lot more; see the TableOfHardware at openwrt.org |
| 18:19.04 | Red_LAbel | lazanto |
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| 18:19.07 | nvz | Red_LAbel: #debian.fr |
| 18:19.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 18:19.16 | nvz | oh well too late caphuso got tired of you :P |
| 18:19.17 | chealer | crispynix-v6, and it uses broadcom wireless chips |
| 18:19.21 | dreamind | EdibleText: problem solved :) |
| 18:19.23 | crispynix-v6 | zinx: ah, thanks :) |
| 18:19.24 | eeyore- | nvz: i got two free opteron servers, one free rack, one free ups, one free 8-port kvm and a couple other things :) |
| 18:19.29 | brullo | deja: apt-cache search bittorrent should give some options |
| 18:19.35 | zinx | crispynix-v6: some of the other brands are better.. use better radios, have more memory, usb, etc ;) |
| 18:19.37 | dreamind | EdibleText: its possible to identify the device through its name through snmp :) |
| 18:19.38 | mwilson | mac: By paying attention to the changelogs of packages you have installed. |
| 18:19.40 | abrotman | that was french? |
| 18:19.50 | dreamind | EdibleText: \ppp0:public@localhost: works for me :) |
| 18:19.52 | zinx | crispynix-v6: many have minipci radios, even, which you can replace if you want |
| 18:19.55 | CodeWarrior_ | nobody knows about Mars-Netware on Debian ? |
| 18:19.59 | eeyore- | nvz: shipper entered duplicate order for some reason. but, being nice guys, we sent them all back :-p |
| 18:20.02 | nvz | irssi says I have no ignores, yet I am not seeing debian modes. |
| 18:20.14 | whitehorse1 | deja: go download Sun Java JRE from the unofficial repository |
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| 18:20.40 | nvz | eeyore-: ah. thats not nice. nice would be having free servers and shit |
| 18:21.01 | abrotman | !tell deja about install java |
| 18:21.17 | crispynix-v6 | zinx: whoa, it's really expansive. interesting. |
| 18:21.18 | nvz | eeyore-: everything I got is free. you just got to know how to work the system. |
| 18:21.18 | mac | mwilson: (I was afraid of this answer :) But this to me seems unmanageable! (dpkg -l | wc -l : 1821) You mean one has to scan the changelogs of nearly 2000 packages on a constant basis? |
| 18:21.19 | whitehorse1 | deja: deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/ < in /apt/get/sources.list |
| 18:21.30 | mikael_ | abrotman that was portuguese not french |
| 18:21.38 | phar0z | hi |
| 18:21.40 | abrotman | mikael_: nvz said it was french |
| 18:21.51 | mwilson | mac: You're the one who thinks he needs to run unstable for some reason. |
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| 18:22.08 | nvz | eeyore-: easiest ways to get free hardware are to keep an eye on all businesses that use the stuff. and to give free helping hand whenever you can. like karma, it all comes back to you in the end |
| 18:22.21 | mikael_ | abrotman yeah but what red label said was in portuguese :) |
| 18:22.28 | deja | whitehorse1: Okay then. Thanks. |
| 18:22.32 | crispynix-v6 | zinx: hmm, is there a compatible hardware list? |
| 18:22.41 | nvz | eeyore-: last time I bought pcs I bought nearly a whole ISP for $40 they had an office going out of business and a bunch of women who knew nothing about pcs selling the stuff |
| 18:22.53 | mac | mwilson: well, a lot of packages I use are just too old in stable (ok, thinks are better with sarge, but this won't last long) |
| 18:23.01 | mac | s/thinks/things/ |
| 18:23.11 | crispynix-v6 | zinx: nevermind, found it |
| 18:23.19 | mac | I guess I'll have to take a look at testing |
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| 18:23.26 | mwilson | mac: Oh, that's right... I'd forgotten that software apparently comes with expiration dates. |
| 18:23.27 | eeyore- | nvz: i would love to have one of those nearby. might get me a sun enterprise or two :-) |
| 18:23.55 | zinx | crispynix-v6: the TableOfHardware, ja ;) |
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| 18:24.22 | nvz | eeyore-: two of the PCs I have and one of the printers came from the District Judge. but I helped him with his campaign, wrote him some software to save him man hours and give him an edge. and I cut him a break charging him less than 1/3 what I normally charge last time I fixed his pcs. |
| 18:24.27 | mac | mwilson: I mean that I need the features of the new versions for my work... sometimes the packages are new enough to not be in stable |
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| 18:25.18 | nvz | eeyore-: I passed up a Sun Sparc Ultra 5 or something like that when I was buying that stuff. I never used sparc, and I didnt see any monitor ports I recognized.. and they didnt have a screen for it.. so I didnt buy it cause I didnt think I could use it without a screen |
| 18:25.45 | mwilson | I *do* wish USB2 was faster. Perhaps I'll put this firewire card in there instead. |
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| 18:26.22 | Segers_J | mwilson: 4 conductor firewire is slower than usb2 IIRC |
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| 18:26.29 | eeyore- | nvz: now you know better :) |
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| 18:26.53 | nvz | my network bridge that supplies all my other debian boxes with network I got from the constable, he left it sitting in the rain.. the hd died on me 2 days later, but the pc runs like a top |
| 18:27.04 | nvz | eeyore-: yeah hindsight is always 20/20 |
| 18:27.05 | eeyore- | nvz: you could use a sun 13W3 (that's what the video port is called) adaptor to get vga output. besides, you can also hook up via serial port and use it that way |
| 18:27.10 | mwilson | Segers_J: In spec. Certainly not in practice. Measure it sometime. I have. |
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| 18:27.29 | eeyore- | nvz: the 13W3 looks kinda like DB25 except it's got three round holes inside |
| 18:27.29 | ictyl | how do I get '/usr/bin/time -v [command]' to actually show non-zero values for maximum RSS, average RSS, etc? |
| 18:27.31 | abrotman | eeyore-: those adapters don't always work |
| 18:27.37 | Segers_J | mwilson: ok. overhead I guess. :) |
| 18:27.41 | eeyore- | abrotman: i haven't found one that didn't ... |
| 18:27.47 | mwilson | Firewire/400 == 400mb/sec, USB2 = 480 mb/sec, but Firewire ends up far faster with less CPU. |
| 18:27.55 | abrotman | eeyore-: older sparc .. sync on green .. no workie :) |
| 18:28.02 | whitehorse1 | nvz: bought pc's where? share where the holy grails of free pcs may be found :> |
| 18:28.12 | eeyore- | abrotman: well, that's because your monitor doesn't sync on green :) |
| 18:28.25 | abrotman | eeyore-: well .. yes .. but how many modern PC monitors do? |
| 18:28.29 | mwilson | Segers_J: But USB2 is ubiquotous, Firewire isn't. These enclosures are either/or. |
| 18:28.39 | abrotman | though .. damn thing wouldn't even work with the 13W3 SGI monitor i had |
| 18:28.40 | eeyore- | abrotman: sony playstation calls for sync on green, too |
| 18:28.43 | nvz | whitehorse1: cheap and free hardware is easy for me to come by. I stay involved. |
| 18:28.48 | abrotman | eeyore-: my TV kicks ass! |
| 18:28.52 | brullo | whitehorse1: I have my work pay my PCs, right now I have a brand new IBM thinkpad x41 |
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| 18:29.34 | whitehorse1 | brullo: that'd entail me getting a job ;) |
| 18:29.54 | brullo | whitehorse1: Excellent, Sire! |
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| 18:30.30 | nvz | got several large boxes of junk from a company that was bought out not too long ago. most of it was trash or soon became trash. the large "Department Command Center" thing that had 10baseT and Optic modules crapped out on me after a few hours.. the magic smoke came out. |
| 18:30.33 | abrotman | right ... that doesn't look suspicious |
| 18:31.33 | eeyore- | nvz: that's the price you "pay" for freebies |
| 18:31.57 | nvz | oh well, I am going to get cleaned up. somehow I figure #debian will be here when I get back. |
| 18:32.09 | zinx | nvz: how can we survive without you? |
| 18:32.16 | abrotman | !yinzersmite zinx |
| 18:32.17 | Aim_Here | Actually #debian shuts down entirely when you log off |
| 18:32.32 | nvz | zinx: just be off-topic and make up for it. I'll be back in 15 minutes |
| 18:32.33 | resiak | If no-one is watching #debian, is it still Sunday? |
| 18:32.42 | nvz | !permasunday |
| 18:32.42 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 18:32.44 | Aim_Here | We all rush into the #fedora-core room until you get back on |
| 18:32.48 | resiak | !room |
| 18:32.48 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 18:33.03 | abrotman | !channel |
| 18:33.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, channel is This refers to the group of resellers that supply most companies with software, hardware, and support. The channel is a force to be reckoned with, and it competes directly against companies like Gateway 2000 and Dell. A channel can also be a content container, like a television channel. You may be watching TV channels on the Internet someday. |
| 18:33.04 | abrotman | doh |
| 18:33.12 | resiak | Hahah |
| 18:33.22 | Gnea | if your mom pops a zit, will the leaves in the forest crinkle and fall? |
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| 18:33.38 | whitehorse1 | Q) If you had a choice between two systems (not much freedom as regards supplier/setup unfortuntely) which'd you choose from these. 1) Mini system which is preferable for spacesaving purposes but different CPU: Intel Pentium M-735 1.7Ghz, 2) Bulkier regular type Desktop machine Intel Pentium 4 3.0GHz 800FSB |
| 18:34.17 | abrotman | whitehorse1: odd'y .. i've been thinking about buying many cube-esque machines |
| 18:34.20 | Gathond | whitehorse1: I would choose 1) |
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| 18:34.37 | abrotman | whitehorse1: i'd choose 1 .. and possibly even investigate a Via cpu system |
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| 18:35.02 | Gathond | whitehorse1: it would be almost as fast/as fast to many tasks (not counting 3d rendering perhaps) and would use alot less power |
| 18:35.05 | brullo | whitehorse1: since i am typing this on my ibm thinkpad x41 i think you know my choice |
| 18:35.13 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: pentium-m |
| 18:36.09 | whitehorse1 | This is really helpful btw thanx. I'm in a position to get one but was worried about the CPU as I don't know much about it |
| 18:36.09 | whitehorse1 | ty |
| 18:36.09 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: pentium-m have 2MB cache, and this will help a lot of cache-heavy applications |
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| 18:36.10 | Gnea | whitehorse1: the pentium-m would perform just fine |
| 18:36.11 | abrotman | whitehorse1: wait .. what's the purpose of the box? |
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| 18:36.13 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: we do systems simulation and we get the best performance from (a) pentium-m and (b) athlons/opterons. p-4's are down the list |
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| 18:36.27 | abrotman | eeyore-: you sohuld try ARM systems |
| 18:36.33 | eeyore- | abrotman: haha :) |
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| 18:36.40 | whitehorse1 | gfx card is described as "64Mb VGA" which is apparently an Intel built into board. I asked and they said they can ship with a standalone gfx card a "64 meg" one. Presumably codeword for generic card. Question is whether that also means sucky |
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| 18:36.57 | Gathond | p4's would excel at applications where its long pipeline can be constantly kept full though (like 3d rendering farm) |
| 18:36.58 | fando | is there a screen video recording utility? |
| 18:37.00 | whitehorse1 | abrotman: Academic (student) use. Prmarily |
| 18:37.01 | abrotman | whitehorse1: what is the machine for ? |
| 18:37.08 | fando | like to record the steps for using an app |
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| 18:37.09 | abrotman | whitehorse1: so .. compiling, etc ? |
| 18:37.36 | whitehorse1 | < pre-law |
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| 18:37.42 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: intel IGA is not bad, for 2d. it sucks for 3d. |
| 18:37.44 | abrotman | whitehorse1: so .. reading/typing .... ? |
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| 18:37.52 | abrotman | eeyore-: it's fine for 3d also |
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| 18:37.58 | [sr] | hi |
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| 18:38.01 | eeyore- | abrotman: for what kind of 3d? :-p |
| 18:38.03 | abrotman | eeyore-: doesn't suck .. but certainly isn't nvidia |
| 18:38.04 | whitehorse1 | So, office software, occasional dvd's, lil coding practice for 'fun'. some audio apps |
| 18:38.06 | Gathond | whitehorse1: unless you need to do serious 3D I would not worry |
| 18:38.08 | eeyore- | abrotman: for ut2k4 3d, it sucks |
| 18:38.11 | [sr] | can someone help me connecting to a ldap server? |
| 18:38.17 | [sr] | in #ldap nobody talks :P |
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| 18:38.29 | abrotman | eeyore-: i've done blender rendering and can play armagetron and many other 3d apps .. and they run perfectly fine .. even armagetron at 1024 runs smoothly |
| 18:38.32 | [sr] | i'm new at ldap... so i'm a little dumb with this.. |
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| 18:38.34 | eeyore- | [sr]: of course not, you didn't use the right DN |
| 18:38.38 | whitehorse1 | full spec: Intel Pentuim M-735 1.7Ghz, 512Mb DDR RAM 400Mhz, 120Gb ATA HDD, DVDRW+/-, 64Mb VGA, (exc installed software) |
| 18:38.39 | eeyore- | [sr]: what were you thinking? |
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| 18:38.47 | abrotman | whitehorse1: MORE RAM! |
| 18:38.53 | Gathond | whitehorse1: it probably sucks for playing 3d games compared to the newest generation of geforce/radeon, but I think it should get you by |
| 18:38.54 | brullo | [sr]: what kind of ldap? |
| 18:38.55 | whitehorse1 | I'll need to up the ram .,.. lol was typing already myself :) |
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| 18:39.10 | whitehorse1 | Totally agree though. 1gig from the start |
| 18:39.10 | [sr] | eeyore- what should be the right DN ? |
| 18:39.22 | abrotman | whitehorse1: though honestly .. for typing/reading .. 512MB is fine .. i have 768 in my laptop .. and most of it sits unused |
| 18:39.23 | eeyore- | [sr]: if i had to explain, it's not a joke any more |
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| 18:39.32 | gsnedders | hi |
| 18:39.33 | [sr] | bah |
| 18:39.34 | eeyore- | geez man, some people .... had a perfect one-liner |
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| 18:39.39 | [sr] | brullo the openldap |
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| 18:39.43 | whitehorse1 | Thank you very much |
| 18:39.44 | eeyore- | when you actually had to explain the joke .... |
| 18:39.48 | abrotman | openldap.org is good ... |
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| 18:39.56 | whitehorse1 | Gathond: I tend to be a multiple apps with several windows concurrently chap though ;) |
| 18:39.59 | [sr] | but hey |
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| 18:40.05 | [sr] | i use the ldapbrowser (for win) |
| 18:40.06 | Gathond | whitehorse1: so? |
| 18:40.06 | gsnedders | i'm having a problem installing debian x86 stable from the netboot CD. I'm getting a kernal panic |
| 18:40.10 | abrotman | whitehorse1: doesn't amtter .. 512MB should be enough |
| 18:40.11 | gsnedders | "Attempted to kill innit" |
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| 18:40.13 | [sr] | i put the passwd and the DN |
| 18:40.15 | [sr] | and nothing |
| 18:40.18 | eeyore- | abrotman: i can make use of your unused ram |
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| 18:40.25 | abrotman | [sr]: what distro is your linux box running ? |
| 18:40.31 | Gathond | whitehorse1: so do I and my 384 MB laptops gets by just fine with usually 100+ MB use for filecache |
| 18:40.32 | [sr] | debian of course:) |
| 18:40.35 | abrotman | eeyore-: i can too .. i have a map class that has a memory leak :) |
| 18:40.37 | darkness | Hi, i've borked my dual boot. So i'm trying to use a live cd to fix this. However i can mount /dev/hdb1 but not chroot to it? |
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| 18:40.49 | eeyore- | abrotman: swampy maps? |
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| 18:40.53 | eeyore- | abrotman: hahaha :-p |
| 18:40.59 | gsnedders | i'm having a problem installing debian x86 stable from the netboot CD. I'm getting a kernal panic - "Attempted to kill innit" |
| 18:41.00 | whitehorse1 | So in closing, definitely better or at least "as good" than the desktop w/Pf (full spec Intel Pentium 4 3.0GHz 800FSB 512K L2, 2x256Mb DDR RAM 400MHz 184pin, Nvidia GeForce 440-64Mb, HDD 120Gb SATA, DVD-RW combo, 1.44Mb 3.5" floppy disk drive, 64Mb VGA, 6 Rear + 2 Front USB 2.0, RealTecAC97v2.2 6 channels) |
| 18:41.04 | eeyore- | permabadjokeday |
| 18:41.07 | abrotman | eeyore-: it's a 3d storage class .. X,Y are fixed .. Z is pointers .. there's a leak somewhere |
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| 18:41.18 | whitehorse1 | (RAM aside.) |
| 18:41.23 | gsnedders | any ideas? |
| 18:41.24 | abrotman | whitehorse1: smaller! |
| 18:41.30 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: p4 sucks |
| 18:41.31 | whitehorse1 | Smaller is love. |
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| 18:41.37 | Gathond | whitehorse1: I would say so, unless the number of USB ports are something you need |
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| 18:41.40 | abrotman | gsnedders: did you try a 2.4 and 2.6 kernel ? |
| 18:41.48 | gsnedders | only 2.4 |
| 18:41.49 | abrotman | they sell USB hubs |
| 18:41.55 | ohad_ | how do i kick my old user/nick ? |
| 18:41.58 | gsnedders | what option do I need to pass to gt 2.6? |
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| 18:42.14 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: the only reason intel made p4 what it is is so they can clock it really high. but even intel is stepping away from high-clock now. good luck to them to re-educate users they conned into believe high clock is everything. karma! |
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| 18:42.31 | darkness | Should this work? Boot a live cd. Then mount /dev/hdb1, then chroot /dev/hdb1 ? |
| 18:42.32 | gsnedders | brb |
| 18:42.33 | whitehorse1 | eeyore-: Pentium M-735 1.7Ghz though. Heh sounds less so I wanted to ask about it |
| 18:42.36 | gsnedders | trying 2.6 |
| 18:42.39 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: look into via epia / mini-itx if you want small |
| 18:42.41 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Do they sell USB switches? Hubs are teh suck! |
| 18:42.43 | whitehorse1 | nods |
| 18:42.48 | abrotman | gsnedders: linux26 at the install |
| 18:42.51 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: hotbot! |
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| 18:43.01 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Google! |
| 18:43.05 | abrotman | so weak |
| 18:43.07 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: our P-M laptops outperform P4 Xeon, much higher clocked. think about it :-) |
| 18:43.09 | Segers_J | ohad google keyword: shadow (I don't remember how) |
| 18:43.10 | whitehorse1 | eeyore-: Little freedom as far as supplier or system goes sadly. :) |
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| 18:43.23 | Segers_J | ohad no, ghost |
| 18:43.27 | whitehorse1 | eeyore-: that deserves a slight woah at least |
| 18:43.30 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: nmap! |
| 18:43.34 | crispynix-v6 | eeyore-: damnit >_< |
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| 18:43.40 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: it depends on the applications |
| 18:43.42 | crispynix-v6 | that's gonna make upgrading a bitch :/ |
| 18:43.45 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: telnet ? |
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| 18:43.48 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: that's not a rule of thumb :-) |
| 18:43.51 | crispynix-v6 | well, nvm -- I'll probably go the amd route. |
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| 18:44.04 | eeyore- | crispynix-v6: were you sucked into P4 myth? |
| 18:44.07 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: tcpdump! |
| 18:44.10 | crispynix-v6 | eeyore-: yeah ;D |
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| 18:44.16 | eeyore- | crispynix-v6: :-) |
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| 18:44.48 | crispynix-v6 | actually replaced a tbird 1.4 with a p4 2.53 and noticed worse performance in a few things (hopefully that no longer applies now, tho) |
| 18:45.05 | eeyore- | crispynix-v6: a64 4000+ |
| 18:45.12 | eeyore- | crysp: they are getting cheap now |
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| 18:45.20 | gsnedders | abrotman: thanks. got the installer running under 2.6 |
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| 18:45.33 | crispynix-v6 | eeyore-: I know... still a bit hesitant about converting over to a cpu with 64-bit extensions tho |
| 18:45.42 | eeyore- | crispynix-v6: mate an a64 4000+ to an nvidia nforce3 (msi neo2 platinum) and you got a kick-ass machine |
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| 18:45.58 | crispynix-v6 | eeyore-: I'll think about it once I find a job ;) |
| 18:46.01 | douglas_om | anyone knows how to use the SecretSharing class at crypto++? how to get the secret parts and all |
| 18:46.02 | eeyore- | crispynix-v6: you don't have to use it in 64-bit mode. 32-bit compatible, fully |
| 18:46.28 | crispynix-v6 | eeyore-: great :) does that mean that e.g. q3 and et won't be problematic at all in 32-bit mode? |
| 18:46.40 | brullo | douglas_om: Do you work at the NSA? |
| 18:46.47 | douglas_om | no, brullo |
| 18:46.53 | eeyore- | crispynix-v6: nope |
| 18:46.58 | JoshH | brullo: i do |
| 18:47.05 | darkness | If you have an hdd mounted called hdb1. Shouldn't you be able to chroot to it? |
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| 18:47.08 | crispynix-v6 | eeyore-: they'll still be problematic? |
| 18:47.16 | brullo | JoshH: Me too. |
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| 18:47.18 | eeyore- | crispynix-v6: you can allocate extra partitions to futz around with 64-bit linux if you wanted, and keep using 32-bit for most things |
| 18:47.24 | eeyore- | crispynix-v6: no problem |
| 18:47.34 | JoshH | nice |
| 18:47.35 | whitehorse1 | Working for your uncle hmm? ; |
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| 18:47.41 | whitehorse1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:47.52 | eeyore- | whitehorse1: hmm? |
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| 18:48.00 | Sam-I-Am | hmmmmmm |
| 18:48.04 | whitehorse1 | lol |
| 18:48.11 | eeyore- | ah |
| 18:48.11 | crispynix-v6 | eeyore-: ah, k. I'll probably avoid nforce tho once I do upgrade (I'd rather not have proprietary drivers for onboard devices too) |
| 18:48.17 | Sam-I-Am | anyone here make custom d-i kernels? |
| 18:48.27 | Sam-I-Am | having tons of problems here |
| 18:48.38 | eeyore- | crispynix-v6: performance ... nvidia beats the pants off via |
| 18:48.50 | imageek | i have an nforce board and dont use anything proprietary for the mobo |
| 18:48.52 | eeyore- | crispynix-v6: plus, you get very fast SATA / USB2.0 |
| 18:48.56 | crispynix-v6 | eeyore-: I won't consider VIA. AMD (well, if they still made chipsets) or SiS. |
| 18:49.02 | imageek | the nvidia display driver is the only one i use |
| 18:49.10 | crispynix-v6 | or maybe (very strong maybe) ALi |
| 18:49.25 | eeyore- | crispynix-v6: via is fine, but you gotta wait a few generations for them to work the bugs out :-) |
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| 18:49.50 | crispynix-v6 | eeyore-: heh, no thanks. I'll skip via, even if SiS does perform worse than even via, it's still more stable IME. |
| 18:49.55 | eeyore- | crispynix-v6: if you won't consider via/amd/nvidia then you don't have a choice for amd platforms |
| 18:50.08 | crispynix-v6 | eeyore-: er, no SiS chipset boards for AMD? o_O |
| 18:50.21 | eeyore- | crispynix-v6: some, but ... |
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| 18:50.45 | eeyore- | crispynix-v6: i have a sis-based amd now, but i still want nvidia :) |
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| 18:51.16 | brullo | JoshH: Please delete the debian channel from the echelon logger ok? ;-) |
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| 18:51.31 | crispynix-v6 | eeyore-: for better performance? I can understand that, but for me stability is paramount, and SiS has that. without proprietary drivers (nforce) or bugs (via). |
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| 18:51.46 | JoshH | brullo: echelon? trust me, it doesnt exist. ;-) |
| 18:52.11 | crispynix-v6 | eeyore-: of course, if AMD starts making chipsets again, that'll be my first choice. |
| 18:52.14 | crispynix-v6 | or if they are now |
| 18:52.14 | brullo | JoshH: The EU does not think so. |
| 18:52.37 | Aim_Here | New Zealand declassified it's Echelon docs |
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| 18:52.43 | JoshH | gotta love those crazy europeans |
| 18:52.43 | whitehorse1 | Hah and the UK+US don't spy on & track commununications from the Russians anymore. Sure ;P |
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| 18:53.18 | concept10 | could someone recommend a application that I could use to compose diagrams for a application im attempting to create? |
| 18:53.29 | JoshH | Aim_Here: thats because they are using echelon2 now, which is of course classified |
| 18:53.36 | brullo | JoshH: I am a crazy European. |
| 18:53.37 | cheal | concept10: did you try dia? |
| 18:53.41 | virgomoon | Could someone point me towards a good command-line CD ripper and/or MP3 encoder? |
| 18:53.49 | Aim_Here | Ah right. Then it'll be echelon 3 |
| 18:53.52 | Uchiha | does anyone know why my sound doesn't work on my mac mini with debian sarge? |
| 18:53.53 | Aim_Here | then son of echelon |
| 18:53.54 | cheal | concept10: nothing to do with app dev, but for diagrams... |
| 18:54.02 | Aim_Here | and 'I can't believe it's not echelon' |
| 18:54.10 | JoshH | and the echelon 360 |
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| 18:54.17 | concept10 | cheal, i tried dia a while back, just wondering if there was one more tailored to programming diagrams |
| 18:54.19 | karsten | virgomoon: grip (GUI tool) uses a number of cmdline tools back-end. Look at its deps. |
| 18:54.20 | EdibleText | virgomoon, cdparanoia for ripping |
| 18:54.30 | cheal | virgomoon: lame? |
| 18:54.41 | nvz | whitehorse1: of course you know... In soviet russia, communications track _YOU_ |
| 18:54.49 | brullo | JoshH: All industrial nations have SIGINT founded by the nationalstate. |
| 18:54.51 | virgomoon | I looked at Grip, but it takes a lot of deps I don't want to install ... I'll look at the cdparanoia .. thanks |
| 18:54.52 | whitehorse1 | glasnost :p |
| 18:55.12 | EdibleText | !cdparanoia |
| 18:55.13 | dpkg | from memory, cdparanoia is an Audio Extration Tool at http://www.xiph.org, or an irrational fear of CDs, or the RIAA |
| 18:55.50 | EdibleText | virgomoon, I was just checking my spelling... apt-get install cdparanoia |
| 18:55.56 | JoshH | why do you care about the grip deps? got a tiny hard drive? |
| 18:56.12 | whitehorse1 | concept10: Visio via VMWare/Wine maybe |
| 18:56.25 | Uchiha | does anyone know why my sound doesn't work on my mac mini with debian sarge? |
| 18:56.34 | stew | JoshH: he said command line, he might not want to install X |
| 18:56.39 | virgomoon | JoshH: no, I just don't like having stuff around I don't use |
| 18:56.41 | karsten | !tell Uchiha about repeat. |
| 18:56.53 | stew | Uchiha: ask #debianppc |
| 18:56.53 | JoshH | i see |
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| 18:57.35 | Uchiha | ok |
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| 19:04.26 | broadcast | hi! |
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| 19:08.48 | Uchiha | um |
| 19:09.06 | Uchiha | do the debian binary cds have have jre 1.5? |
| 19:09.20 | Gijs` | i don´t think so |
| 19:09.24 | Uchiha | ok |
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| 19:09.26 | Caelum | !java |
| 19:09.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
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| 19:14.47 | gsnedders | sigh... next problem: for the netboot install, can I use a USB floppy drive to get the ethernet drivers from? |
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| 19:15.05 | Daveman | whee |
| 19:15.25 | Daveman | gsnedders, sure, why not? that is, if USB is bootable in your BIOS :) |
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| 19:15.35 | Daveman | otherwise, methinks it may take a bit more work :p |
| 19:16.02 | gsnedders | Daveman, not boot from the floppy, using a CD for the netboot installation, but I have the ethernet drivers for the ethernet card on a floppy |
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| 19:16.44 | gsnedders | christ there's a lot of dust on my floppy drive :) |
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| 19:17.27 | Daveman | congratulations |
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| 19:17.48 | hramrach | Hello |
| 19:17.51 | madradrone | what is the standard text width for docs? 72 chars? |
| 19:17.55 | Uchiha | is there a way to get JRE 1.5 for ppc linux? |
| 19:18.00 | Daveman | hhu? |
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| 19:18.29 | Daveman | madradrone, no idea what you're getting at, but to say the least, the std terminal is only 80 characters wide :P |
| 19:18.42 | hramrach | Uchiha: I guess not. Sun has not ported it. |
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| 19:18.54 | hramrach | At least it was so last time I looked |
| 19:19.16 | Daveman | err yes there is? |
| 19:19.30 | Uchiha | tell me daveman! |
| 19:19.51 | Daveman | look on their website? (sun) |
| 19:20.02 | Uchiha | ok |
| 19:20.05 | Uchiha | I was wondering |
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| 19:20.10 | Daveman | I don't know -- I could have sworn I saw a sun port, but it may not have been ppc :p |
| 19:20.13 | Daveman | check it out |
| 19:20.14 | hramrach | That's why I call Java software non-portable |
| 19:20.20 | Daveman | I would be surprised if they did not |
| 19:20.21 | madradrone | ah i found it: vim:tabstop=3:expandtab:shiftwidth=3:textwidth=73 some docs have it set as high as 80 yes |
| 19:20.24 | Daveman | non-portable haha |
| 19:20.24 | Uchiha | why would there be azureus for ppc linux if there was no JRE for ppc linux |
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| 19:20.39 | Daveman | what's azureus? |
| 19:20.43 | stew | java is write once debug everywhere |
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| 19:20.49 | Daveman | haha |
| 19:20.50 | Uchiha | http://java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp |
| 19:20.52 | Aim_Here | azureus is a java bt client |
| 19:20.56 | Uchiha | I don't see ppc linux |
| 19:20.57 | Daveman | EWW |
| 19:21.00 | Daveman | kill yourself now? |
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| 19:21.29 | hramrach | aybe it would run in kaffe or something? or using the emulation layer to run OS X apps? |
| 19:21.37 | Daveman | Uchiha :[ |
| 19:21.43 | Uchiha | ok then |
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| 19:22.02 | Uchiha | what do I apt-get install to get the gnome bittorrent client? |
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| 19:22.09 | hramrach | and there are IBM JVMs as well |
| 19:22.11 | Daveman | I could swear there is a ppc j2re... |
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| 19:22.14 | Daveman | eww |
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| 19:22.25 | Daveman | you people scare me :P |
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| 19:22.35 | Uchiha | ok well |
| 19:22.37 | marc7 | hey guys... question for you. we've ordered three dell poweredge 1850 rackmount servers (2x3.0GHz Xeon Processors with dual 143GB SCSI drives).... but they're a bunch of idiots who can never deliver when they say they can........ can anyone suggest another good vendor for rackmountable servers? |
| 19:22.38 | cheal | Uchiha: get the name or use apt-cache search |
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| 19:23.14 | hramrach | marc7: start one :) |
| 19:23.23 | Daveman | yep |
| 19:23.41 | marc7 | we've got enough software problems to deal with |
| 19:23.48 | thingfish | man, I love building computers, that's what I should do. |
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| 19:24.27 | thingfish | but I don't think I could compete with our local whitebox vendor. |
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| 19:24.56 | Bob332 | i currently am booting with dual boot, debian and win xp using grub |
| 19:24.56 | rwong | ahh man, I need some help; I've got an intruder that is able to execute stuff as 'www-data' |
| 19:25.05 | rwong | I've been trying to figure out how he gets in for weeks |
| 19:25.05 | Bob332 | if i remove the linux partition, what will happen? |
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| 19:25.21 | Bob332 | rwong, disable apache |
| 19:25.38 | rwong | well I shouldn't say one intruder, I've just got a hole that I can't seem to figure out the location of |
| 19:25.38 | thingfish | Bob332: you will have to fix the mbr before you can get back into windows. |
| 19:25.41 | rwong | Bob332: har har |
| 19:25.51 | Bob332 | thingfish, how would i do that sir? |
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| 19:26.16 | thingfish | Bob332: fixmbr in xp recovery console, or fdisk /mbr from a win98 boot disk. |
| 19:26.24 | priest | Bob332, are you using PHP? |
| 19:26.37 | priest | rwong, are you using Php? |
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| 19:27.11 | Bob332 | priest, i wasnt the one getting www-data problems, it was rwong |
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| 19:27.32 | Bob332 | rwong, are you using any scripting languages? PHP? JSP? |
| 19:27.50 | stew | rwong: does www-data show up in "last" ? |
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| 19:28.47 | rwong | Bob332: yes, I'm fully aware of the cause being a script being run somewhere |
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| 19:29.20 | cr3 | is there a command to determine the specifications of a jpeg file, like it's size, grayscale, etc.? I tried the file(1) command but it doesn't provide that level of details. |
| 19:29.21 | rwong | stew: no; he's able to execute sh and give it commands via crond or something |
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| 19:29.38 | debugger | hello |
| 19:29.43 | hclee | hello |
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| 19:29.55 | rwong | stuff is then run from /tmp or /var/tmp |
| 19:30.00 | Bob332 | rwong, are your httpd logs compromised? |
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| 19:30.11 | timo | cr3, identify, comes with imagemagick |
| 19:30.30 | debugger | how can I decrease the tmpfs created by the udev package? the /etc/init.d/udev script doesn't seem to let me redefine that value anywhere :| |
| 19:30.44 | rwong | Bob332: no, not at all, but there are so many of them and the perp would definitely be running shellcode; it's not as easy as you're implying to go through hundreds of logs |
| 19:30.49 | _shai_ | hey guys... how do i look for a certain text in all subdirectories that have .h? grep -R "whatever" *h ... doesn't work |
| 19:30.53 | stew | rwong: you may wanna check debsums, you may wanna install snoopy, and check everyones crontab |
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| 19:31.18 | caphuso | debugger: what makes you think you need to? |
| 19:31.27 | rwong | stew: I've checked all the sums, they're fine, he's just able to execute shit as a luser |
| 19:31.33 | wookienz | hi, how do i get a crontab to run every minute? "0 * * * * command"?? |
| 19:31.35 | rwong | the OS itself is very clean |
| 19:31.46 | rwong | wookienz: "all *s" |
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| 19:31.49 | debugger | caphuso, its using 500K, and a 10MB tmpfs is created. probably I can trim that value down, no? |
| 19:32.03 | cr3 | timo: cheers, that showed everything I needed to know. how could I list all the files contained in the imagemagick debian package? I might need other interesting files in there. |
| 19:32.07 | caphuso | debugger: why? |
| 19:32.07 | fken | well if i install a program from unstable which is asking a lot of dependancies is it dangerous ? |
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| 19:32.16 | rwong | snoopy, eh.. I'll look at it |
| 19:32.18 | thingfish | fken: most certainly. |
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| 19:32.45 | debugger | caphuso, a larger tmpfs does not comsume more memory? or it only allocs what is really needed? |
| 19:32.46 | hramrach | yes, I do it all the time :) |
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| 19:32.54 | caphuso | debugger: of course not. yes. |
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| 19:33.03 | fken | thingfish : i need an IDE but there is no IDE under linux debian amd64 |
| 19:33.10 | debugger | caphuso, ah thx. so I don't need to change anything :) |
| 19:33.15 | fken | even in testing distrib |
| 19:33.16 | stew | rwong: last time i had this happen to a client it was via awstats |
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| 19:33.22 | thingfish | fken: sid/unstable is for testers and people with advanced skills. Importing packages from it can ruin your system in extreme circumstances. |
| 19:33.24 | caphuso | it's not a ramdisk |
| 19:33.33 | wookienz | rwong: thanks |
| 19:33.35 | debugger | caphuso, oh, its not? |
| 19:33.41 | redlounge | hi. anyone can help me with rsync? i am tryign to make an exact copy of my home folder and get some errors... |
| 19:33.44 | caphuso | debugger: no |
| 19:33.47 | rwong | stew: that sounds possible. I'll take a look. |
| 19:33.58 | chippies | redlounge: are you sure it's not a permission problem? |
| 19:33.59 | debugger | caphuso, why its the size argument for then? |
| 19:34.02 | thingfish | fken: testing is somewhat safer, however it is still not a good idea to mix the others with sarge unless you really know what you're doing. |
| 19:34.08 | hramrach | thingfish: if you want stable install 32bit on the amd64 :) |
| 19:34.08 | caphuso | debugger: maximum filesystem size |
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| 19:34.14 | baikonur | hi |
| 19:34.21 | stew | rwong: awstats had a string of security bugs a few months back |
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| 19:34.29 | thingfish | hramrach: I don't want anything. |
| 19:34.33 | redlounge | chippies, it shouldnt. i run it with sudo and copy everything on an fat partition |
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| 19:34.35 | debugger | caphuso, yes, but why its needed, if its not a ram disk? |
| 19:34.37 | thingfish | I have what I need. |
| 19:34.38 | hramrach | sorry |
| 19:34.48 | thingfish | np |
| 19:34.51 | fken | thingfish: there is no nvidia driver, no amule no .......... there is almost nothing in sarge 64 lol for example my soundcard require a kernel which is only in etch |
| 19:34.59 | chippies | redlounge: what's the message that you're getting? |
| 19:35.05 | caphuso | debugger: because you really don't want someone to run "cat /dev/urandom > /path/to/tmpfs" without any kind of limit |
| 19:35.08 | thingfish | oh, you want amd64 fken. |
| 19:35.19 | caphuso | err, > /path/to/tmpfs/file |
| 19:35.20 | fken | thingfish: can you advice me an usable IDE ? |
| 19:35.29 | _shai_ | hey guys... how do i look for a certain text in all subdirectories that have .h? grep -R "whatever" *h ... doesn't work |
| 19:35.30 | rwong | stew: awstats was updated just a week ago, though; do you know if they're still existing bugs? |
| 19:35.38 | caphuso | you'd end up using all available virtual memory |
| 19:35.39 | thingfish | fken: no I can't. I am not a developer. |
| 19:35.42 | resiak | fken: Why do you _need_ an IDE? Use vim! |
| 19:35.48 | redlounge | chippies, i get a lot of 'mkstemp:... failed. invalid argument', 'stat ... failed: no such file or directory.' |
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| 19:35.58 | baikonur | I'm looking for an easy iptables script that does forwarding between to subnets (from eth0 (192.168.0.0) to wlan0 (192.168.1.0)) |
| 19:36.01 | debugger | caphuso, ok, that sounds like a ramdisk to me, why you says its not? |
| 19:36.10 | fken | resiak i am using kedit but now i need to compile my program |
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| 19:36.11 | caphuso | debugger: because it's not a ramdisk |
| 19:36.14 | hramrach | fken: you can install 32bit debian. more stable packages |
| 19:36.15 | redlounge | chippies, and it copies some files again and again and i can not find them in the target folder :( |
| 19:36.19 | debugger | caphuso, a tmpfs is not a ramdisk? |
| 19:36.23 | chippies | redlounge: is it a problem with sub-dirs? |
| 19:36.26 | caphuso | debugger: FUCK. NO! |
| 19:36.35 | caphuso | debugger: do you even listen? |
| 19:36.40 | redlounge | chippies, i do no think so |
| 19:36.43 | stew | rwong: dunno. i erradicated awstats permenantly |
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| 19:36.48 | fken | hramrach : yes... if only debian 32bit editions didnt crashed while installing |
| 19:36.52 | chippies | redlounge: Just for fun, can you check the permissions? |
| 19:36.55 | resiak | fken: Then you use, erm, a compiler |
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| 19:37.04 | debugger | caphuso, chill dude... |
| 19:37.09 | chippies | redlounge: it sounds exactly like a permission error that I had recently. |
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| 19:37.13 | redlounge | chippies, source or target? |
| 19:37.24 | chippies | redlounge: yes ;) |
| 19:37.24 | fken | resiak: make ? it will say me there is no makefile |
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| 19:37.24 | rwong | stew: eheh |
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| 19:37.33 | interbird | baikonur: Since both nets are LAN you could also change your subnet-mask -- but I guess that's not what you are lookin' for |
| 19:37.49 | resiak | fken: make is not a compiler. If you write a Makefile, then you can use make. But what language are you writing in? |
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| 19:38.19 | wookienz | rwong: runnig that all stars crontab doesnt seem to work... i am an unpriviledged user... do i need to relaod anything after writing to crontab -e? |
| 19:38.21 | fken | resiak : c and c++ : should i try something like gcc4.0 * |
| 19:38.25 | baikonur | interbird, no, I have only internet access via WLAN and I want to use my notebook as a router for my desktop pc that has no wlan device |
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| 19:38.46 | redlounge | chippies, source is my home folder... i checked one file (-rw-r--r--), same for the directory it is in |
| 19:39.05 | redlounge | chippies, hey owner is root ;) |
| 19:39.08 | chippies | redlounge: directories are +x right? |
| 19:39.23 | redlounge | chippies, yeah right |
| 19:39.29 | gsnedders | while booting the 2.6 netboot x86 installer: "Kernel panic: No init found" |
| 19:39.31 | rwong | wookienz: you shouldn't have to, I'm sorry if I may have made it sound like "all *s" -- it should really be "* * * * * /path/to/your/job" |
| 19:39.34 | chippies | redlounge: owner on both sides is root? |
| 19:39.48 | resiak | fken: C _and_ C++? Anyway, gcc -o executable_name * will probably _work_, but you should really learn a) how to invoke the compiler (man gcc), and b) how to write a makefile (http://vertigo.hsrl.rutgers.edu/ug/make_help.html) |
| 19:39.57 | interbird | baikonur: Why then not make your laptop a gateway and make your desktop-pc route trough that ? |
| 19:39.58 | redlounge | chippies, i only have this file on my source... |
| 19:39.58 | chippies | redlounge: what if you try doing a smaller sub-set of the directory? Does it make a difference? |
| 19:39.59 | rwong | wookienz: if after you make sure that it's still not working, then user crontabs may be disabled & you'll have to talk to your admin |
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| 19:40.10 | redlounge | chippies, havent tried this yet |
| 19:40.11 | baikonur | interbird, is it possible to have two NICs in one computer with the same subnet mask and do the routing on a per host base? |
| 19:40.14 | chippies | redlounge: so you're rsyncing one file, yeah? |
| 19:40.18 | fken | resiak: ok ty |
| 19:40.21 | resiak | !ty |
| 19:40.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player, or the company that creates Beanie Babies(TM) |
| 19:40.28 | redlounge | chippies, no, my whole home folder |
| 19:40.35 | fken | ;) |
| 19:40.58 | interbird | baikonur: Yes, with iptables |
| 19:41.05 | gsnedders | while booting the 2.6 netboot x86 installer: "Kernel panic: No init found" - any ideas? |
| 19:41.06 | chippies | redlounge: what's the command you're using? |
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| 19:41.12 | madradrone | !seen shingouz |
| 19:41.13 | dpkg | shingouz is currently on #debian (1d 10h 6m 11s). Has said a total of 17549 messages. Is idling for 1d 5h 46m 15s |
| 19:41.17 | redlounge | chippies, i use a lot of parameters... |
| 19:41.18 | fken | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:41.24 | wookienz | rwong: i had my user name in the command section... took it out..seemed to have fixed it. |
| 19:41.37 | madradrone | huh? |
| 19:41.54 | abrotman | what's confusing about that .. he's online |
| 19:41.54 | redlounge | chippies, i sent it to #flood |
| 19:41.55 | baikonur | interbird, ok, how does such a script look like? Do I have to use masquerading? |
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| 19:42.17 | madradrone | there was a lag |
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| 19:43.16 | interbird | baikonur: Take a look at the iptables command and google for linux ip-forwarding -- maskerading is only needed at the local-internet side, not for routing |
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| 19:43.28 | Calibra | hey hey evru1 |
| 19:43.33 | abrotman | netfilter.org , lartc.org , #iptables |
| 19:43.42 | interbird | baikonur: man iptables -- google linux ip-forwarding |
| 19:43.43 | abrotman | Calibra: english |
| 19:43.55 | hramrach | How do I check integrity of my installation? The dpkg database contains checksums, but they are in no way signed, and it is not recorded what permissions the files should have (ie suid bit) |
| 19:43.57 | Calibra | sorry typo |
| 19:43.57 | Uchiha | how do I configure apt-get to download packages from the internet instead of using the 14 cds? |
| 19:44.04 | Calibra | i ment evry1 |
| 19:44.16 | abrotman | Calibra: english |
| 19:44.21 | EdgEy_ | english please |
| 19:44.24 | Uchiha | evry1 nos wat taht meens |
| 19:44.31 | veleno | when i press CTRL+left click in firefox, a box is highlighted. what is that? and how do I access that box via javascript? |
| 19:44.33 | abrotman | Uchiha: apt-setup |
| 19:44.38 | Uchiha | Thanks. |
| 19:44.38 | madradrone | Uchiha: apt-setup |
| 19:44.43 | Uchiha | Thanks. |
| 19:44.53 | baikonur | interbird, yeah, but iptables has so many functions that I would be glad to have a draft of what I have to do with iptables. I know where to find the netfilter documention |
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| 19:45.03 | foreyez_ | hey guys... how i look in all .h files in all subdirectory for text "whatever".... grep -R "whatever" *h ... doesn't work |
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| 19:45.21 | hramrach | foreyez_: look at find |
| 19:45.33 | foreyez_ | hramrach, does find just look for a filename? |
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| 19:46.05 | foreyez_ | hramrach, i wanna look IN one |
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| 19:46.11 | hramrach | It looks for files by various criteria |
| 19:46.34 | foreyez_ | hramrach, okay i'll try it, but shouldn't grep work too? |
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| 19:47.13 | Uchiha | Hey guys, what's the best debian mirror for apt to use if I'm in california? |
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| 19:47.23 | hramrach | foreyez_: it does, you just cannot specify the files so precisely |
| 19:47.32 | ke6isf | Uchiha: Run apt-setup, pick one. |
| 19:47.42 | Uchiha | Which one? |
| 19:47.47 | cheal | Uchiha: try them |
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| 19:47.53 | Uchiha | ok |
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| 19:48.00 | interbird | baikonur: You want to connect two subnets I guess, I can't help you further because the red-line is in ip-tables -- google to get the examples you want -- I'm sure they're there |
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| 19:48.16 | stew | Uchiha: or run apt-spy, but that takes a long time to get you an answer |
| 19:48.18 | baikonur | interbird, ok, thank you |
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| 19:48.30 | stew | Uchiha: mirrors.kernel.org is fast for many people |
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| 19:48.47 | Uchiha | stew: would it take even longer on dial up? |
| 19:49.05 | hramrach | :) |
| 19:49.06 | abrotman | yes .. don't use apt-spy on dialup .. just choose any mirror |
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| 19:49.23 | stew | Uchiha: yeah if you are on dialup, any of the servers will be able to flood your bandwidth |
| 19:49.34 | abrotman | oh .. maybe he has a shotgun 56k modem! |
| 19:49.50 | resiak | Urgh, I never managed to make that work. |
| 19:49.50 | Uchiha | Thanks stew, but linux.csua.berkely.edu is maxing out my 2674bps download already :D |
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| 19:49.52 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any tool in debian which shows how much a certain device uses CPU Interrupt % in real time? |
| 19:50.10 | resiak | (I think the main reason was that I only had one phone line.) |
| 19:50.12 | Norbert | hi all; installed Debian a couple of days ago - when trying to run an audio mixer, it tells me "no mixer elements and/or devices found" - dmesg says: "Via 686a/8233/8235 audio driver 1.9.1-ac3" and "via82cxxx: Six channel audio available" - is there any way to get the mixer working without recompiling the kernel? |
| 19:50.21 | hramrach | you can even get 128k ISDN dialup :) |
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| 19:50.48 | interbird | baikonur: welcome |
| 19:50.52 | Danar | i installed gnome, but when i log in it just sits there at the debian logo. can anyone help? |
| 19:51.04 | abrotman | move .gnome2 out of the way ? |
| 19:51.20 | hramrach | Norbert: what mixewr? |
| 19:51.26 | hramrach | mixer |
| 19:51.58 | Norbert | hramrach: well, gnome-volume-control in this case |
| 19:52.20 | Norbert | hramrach: but no program allows me to change the volume the way I want it to |
| 19:52.23 | Danar | abrotman: that didn't work |
| 19:52.32 | Norbert | hramrach: flash seems to have problems with the audio device as well... |
| 19:52.39 | baikonur | interbird, hmm, could it be possible that the thing I want can be accomplished with just "route"? |
| 19:52.40 | interbird | Danar: Some more info please: ditribution (uname -a), Gnome version, GDM ? |
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| 19:53.24 | hramrach | what does "cat /proc/modules | grep snd" say? |
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| 19:53.51 | Norbert | hramrach: nothing |
| 19:53.52 | Danar | 2.6.12-1-686, gnome 2.10.2.3 |
| 19:54.13 | interbird | baikonur: I think so. |
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| 19:54.34 | hramrach | Then something is broken |
| 19:54.36 | Danar | gdm 2.6.0.8-1 |
| 19:54.52 | Norbert | hramrach: okay |
| 19:54.59 | hramrach | you should not see your soundcard detected without any sound modules |
| 19:55.03 | Norbert | I can play music though |
| 19:55.10 | resiak | Danar: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 19:55.16 | takatumi | hramrach: OSS probably |
| 19:55.18 | interbird | baikonur: I'm not quite clear on what you want to accomplish but masquerading has no meaning on an internel lan -- routing has, between subnets |
| 19:55.26 | Danar | resiak: unstable :/ |
| 19:55.34 | resiak | Danar: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 19:55.49 | Danar | no |
| 19:55.55 | resiak | Danar: Why not? |
| 19:55.58 | Norbert | hramrach: grep sound does work, by the way |
| 19:56.00 | thingfish | shamey shamey |
| 19:56.07 | Norbert | hramrach: grep snd does not work |
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| 19:56.17 | hramrach | then it's oss |
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| 19:56.23 | Norbert | sound 48872 0 [via82cxxx_audio uart401] |
| 19:56.23 | Norbert | soundcore 3268 4 [via82cxxx_audio sound] |
| 19:56.40 | chippies | While I was installing a new system I accidentally moved a partition onto /boot and now I can't find the boot.b file and lilo is complaining. The stuff I found in the archives said to try removing and then reinstalling lilo, but that hasn't helped. Any suggestions? |
| 19:57.07 | Norbert | hramrach: do you think there's any way I can fix this, without recompiling? |
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| 19:57.28 | interbird | baikonur: Also, your "per host" requirement is really an IP-address -- meaning blocking or letting through -> iptables |
| 19:57.43 | hramrach | Norbert: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 19:57.54 | Norbert | hramrach: nope |
| 19:57.58 | Norbert | hramrach: just did the install |
| 19:58.18 | hramrach | then there should be alsa modules for the codec |
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| 19:58.48 | ircops | heh |
| 19:58.54 | hramrach | try unloading sound (and the modules that use it) |
| 19:59.21 | hramrach | What version of kernel do you have? |
| 19:59.25 | Norbert | hramrach, sound: Device or resource busy |
| 19:59.36 | Norbert | hramrach, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:59.59 | hramrach | did you install the alsa modules for the kernel? |
| 20:00.06 | Norbert | ehm, nope |
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| 20:00.24 | Danar | arg, sites are difficult to navigate in text-mode. i don't see any relevant bugs on BTS |
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| 20:01.42 | Danar | anyone know why i wouldn't be able to log in to gnome? |
| 20:03.05 | hramrach | Norbert: I guess the gnome sound applet might be using alsa. But I cannot find mine and it's probably a different version anyway. |
| 20:03.18 | shay | !tell broadcast about away |
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| 20:03.40 | Norbert | hramrach, removed it, still the error |
| 20:03.42 | hramrach | But installing alsa is a good idea in any case, the drivers in there should be newer and better |
| 20:03.43 | broadcast | sorry |
| 20:03.45 | Danar | there's no critical/login-stopping bugs that i see |
| 20:03.46 | broadcast | for away... |
| 20:04.10 | hramrach | what did you remove? |
| 20:04.23 | Danar | gnome-core is enough to log in to gnome right? |
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| 20:05.01 | hramrach | Norbert: what did you remove? |
| 20:05.09 | Norbert | hramrach: ehm, the volume control on the panel; also disabled the system bell; sound server was already off |
| 20:05.18 | meff | is there anything like ivman in debian that i can make (w/out a gui) automount my iaudio usb drive? |
| 20:05.30 | Norbert | hramrach: now running apt-get install alsa |
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| 20:05.42 | Danar | :( |
| 20:06.11 | hramrach | try stopping sound: /etc/init.d/sound stop |
| 20:06.32 | Norbert | hramrach: there's no sound in init.d... |
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| 20:07.46 | Norbert | there is an alsa there, but it tells me Setting up ALSA...done (not loaded). |
| 20:07.46 | hramrach | did you unload the via82cxx thing and uart thing first? |
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| 20:08.13 | Danar | can someone please help me get logged in to gnome? |
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| 20:08.49 | hramrach | Danar: try installing gnome-session and gdm |
| 20:09.18 | Danar | hramrach: i have those |
| 20:09.35 | hramrach | Danar: did you start gdm? |
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| 20:09.48 | meff | what does debian use for automounting usb devices? |
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| 20:10.15 | Danar | hramrach: it starts automatically |
| 20:10.27 | hramrach | Danar: so what's the problem? |
| 20:10.32 | resiak | meff: Whatever you install to do it. |
| 20:10.45 | meff | resiak: yeah.. i am wondering what are my options? |
| 20:10.46 | Danar | hramrach: it just sits there at the debian logo |
| 20:10.48 | Danar | after i log in |
| 20:11.04 | resiak | meff: AFAIK only gnome-volume-manager is packaged. |
| 20:11.07 | Norbert | hramrach: when running rmmod; via82cxxx, ac97_codec, uart401; all tell me the device is busy |
| 20:11.22 | meff | resiak: argh, need something non-gui |
| 20:11.24 | ASTRX|| | hi. im kind of new to linux and i have just installed a debian base-system. now i want to install X, configure it, and the install a nice WM. but i cant find the correct package to install with apt-get? |
| 20:11.31 | resiak | meff: g-v-m is non-gui |
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| 20:11.45 | resiak | !tell ASTRX|| -about install x |
| 20:12.26 | Norbert | hramrach: wait, it works |
| 20:12.34 | interbird | Danar: Do other desktops work? -- kde, xfce4 ? |
| 20:12.35 | Norbert | hramrach: via82cxxx_audio was the one |
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| 20:13.20 | Danar | interbird: well, kde takes about 10-20 mins to finish logging in, so i started using icewm which works fine |
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| 20:13.38 | Danar | gnome won't let me log in at all though |
| 20:13.52 | Norbert | hramrach: okay, they are gone, still can't start /etc/init.d/alsa though... |
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| 20:14.31 | meff | resiak: it uses gnome-volume-properties for configuration, which is gui (and quite restrictive) and i dont see any other config options |
| 20:14.42 | Norbert | have no <alsa>.o to insmod either |
| 20:14.55 | interbird | Danar: Looks like some "probing" software get's caught in a loop -- can you tell me any version-numbers? -- kernel,kde,gome,videocard,hardware ? |
| 20:15.38 | hramrach | Norbert: try modprobe snd-via82xx |
| 20:15.44 | resiak | meff: http://ivman.sourceforge.net/ is unpackaged but is more what you want. |
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| 20:16.23 | interbird | Danar: Also, you could try to create a new user and see if this has the same effects -- rules-out local-user-misconfig |
| 20:16.33 | Norbert | hramrach: it's not there |
| 20:16.43 | resiak | meff: In fact, that reminds me. I meant to package it a while back :) |
| 20:16.53 | Danar | interbird: kernel: 2.6.12-1-686, gnome-core: 2.10.2.3, kde-core: 45, vidcard: radeon 9200se, RAM: 512MB |
| 20:17.25 | Norbert | ren:/etc/modprobe.d# ls |
| 20:17.25 | Norbert | aliases alsa-base arch arch-aliases isapnp |
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| 20:17.41 | hramrach | Norbert: not even something similar? I do not use 2.4 kernels anymore so I cannot test it |
| 20:17.42 | interbird | Danar: Seems fine... |
| 20:17.46 | interbird | Danar: Also, you could try to create a new user and see if this has the same effects -- rules-out local-user-misconfig |
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| 20:18.07 | Danar | interbird: well i tried moving ~/.gnome2/ |
| 20:18.14 | brt | hello |
| 20:18.14 | Norbert | interbird: there's via82cxxx_audio.o, but I just removed that one |
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| 20:18.37 | hramrach | Norbert: that's the oss module |
| 20:18.41 | Norbert | hramrach: okay |
| 20:18.42 | interbird | Norbert: Sorry ? |
| 20:18.47 | Norbert | interbird: nm |
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| 20:19.09 | brt | i am running sarge with a 2.4 kernel-image and i want to upgrade to 2.6 do i need special packages beside udev ? |
| 20:19.25 | interbird | Danar: Just create a new user and see if Gnome come's there -- does kde come up ? |
| 20:19.28 | resiak | brt: You don't _need_ udev |
| 20:19.30 | luite | is it possible to get a list of installed package with for each package the size of the installed files (like dpkg --list but with the sizes) |
| 20:19.40 | Norbert | hramrach: ./ide/pci/via82cxxx.o ./net/irda/via-ircc.o ./net/via-rhine.o ./scsi/sata_via.o ./sound/via82cxxx_audio.o |
| 20:19.42 | interbird | Danar: Oops, you told me -- 10-20 mins |
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| 20:19.50 | Norbert | hramrach: that's everything with via in it ;-) |
| 20:19.53 | brt | ah, i am just a bit worried because its a remote system :| |
| 20:19.57 | ASTRX|| | !ask dpkg|| -about set up x |
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| 20:20.03 | Tu1 | hello |
| 20:20.05 | nvz | brt: you need no special packages, or udev. you do however need the non-special module-init-tools package which is a dependancy of 2.6 and will be pulled in automatically when you fetch a 2.6 kernel image |
| 20:20.08 | Gnea | hey guys, what the hell, i thought samba arrived with ldap support :) |
| 20:20.10 | resiak | ASTRX||: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 20:20.10 | interbird | Danar: Just create a new user and see if Gnome come's there -- does Gnome come up -- clean local-config in this case |
| 20:20.19 | hramrach | Norbert: not an alsa directory? |
| 20:20.28 | baikonur | interbird, I can reach my wired computer and wireless lan from my notebook. How do I have to configure the wired computer that he can reach computers in the wlan? |
| 20:20.33 | Norbert | hramrach: nope |
| 20:20.35 | Danar | interbird: isn't local confic in ~/.gnome2/ ? |
| 20:20.42 | Danar | *config |
| 20:20.46 | hramrach | you need both alsa package and alsa kernel modules |
| 20:21.00 | baikonur | interbird, the ip-adress of the wired device in the notebook as default gateway? |
| 20:21.14 | brt | nvz: ah thx alot... |
| 20:21.15 | interbird | Danar: What does the ~ stand for ? |
| 20:21.23 | Tu1 | debian is a very good linux distribution |
| 20:21.30 | brt | the best :D |
| 20:21.35 | Danar | interbird: home dir... why are you asking me that? o.O |
| 20:21.46 | nvz | baikonur: infastructure has nothing to do with the tcp/ip layer all clients wired or not are treated the same by the software |
| 20:21.58 | hramrach | like alsa-modules-2.4-686-smp |
| 20:22.12 | interbird | baikonur: For your desktop, ok -- that means your laptop has to be connected for your desktop to be able to connect |
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| 20:22.41 | nvz | I would know I have 5-7 wireless clients and 3 wired, 2 bridges, and a gateway on my network |
| 20:22.44 | Danar | interbird: '~' is standard, no? |
| 20:23.03 | nvz | and I think I broke my thumb somehow |
| 20:23.06 | nvz | in other news |
| 20:23.19 | interbird | Danar: Because you have a problem with starting Gnome and I have to ask questions to try to determine the problem -- kinda like a docter :-) |
| 20:23.20 | Tu1 | why ??? |
| 20:23.23 | nvz | well not broke.. but maybe bruised or dislocated it |
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| 20:24.00 | nvz | feels actually like I bruised my palm |
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| 20:24.10 | Norbert | hramrach: okay, I'll apt-get those, thanks |
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| 20:24.20 | mixmatch | Danar: something is jacked up with your system |
| 20:24.33 | Danar | mixmatch: yeh, i kinda figured that :p |
| 20:24.34 | hramrach | The ones that |
| 20:24.50 | hramrach | Norbert: the ones that go with your kernel |
| 20:24.51 | interbird | baikonur: ~ is short for /home/<user> -- where user is the userid you are logged-in on on your computer -- -- can you create a new user on your system or not ? |
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| 20:25.16 | Norbert | hramrach: that would be alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 20:25.32 | nvz | interbird: thats wrong but we'll let you slide since you and the person you are talking to don't know any better |
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| 20:25.50 | Myon | azeem: thanks for the supporting comments :) |
| 20:25.52 | jcole | i added "deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool gdkxft" to my sources.list then tried a an "apt-get source gdkxft" but i get "404 Not Found".... it shows up on this page ---> http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi?package=gdkxft&details=details ... am i doing something wrong? |
| 20:26.19 | baikonur | nvz, hmm, what would be a correct question? Not all computers in the LAN can be reached via WLAN and I want to be able to reach computers in the WLAN from a computer without a wlan device via a notebook with a wired and a wireless device? Can this be accomplished via routing? |
| 20:26.31 | baikonur | interbird, ? |
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| 20:26.48 | interbird | nvz: Thanx almighty nvz -- sometimes you have to talk about e-mail in terms of paper envelopes -- glade to hear you can do that too |
| 20:26.49 | Norbert | hramrach: thanks for trying to help me out |
| 20:26.51 | baikonur | interbird, you meant someone else, don't you? |
| 20:26.51 | luite | is it possible to purge all configuration files for all packages that are not currently installed? |
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| 20:27.12 | hramrach | np |
| 20:27.15 | resiak | !purge them all |
| 20:27.15 | dpkg | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge, or do not complain if this deletes config files you still need |
| 20:27.23 | nvz | baikonur: yes if the clients all connect to the same default gateway like on my network its 10.0.0.1 and all clients get DHCP from there and are NAT'd they all communicate the software has no idea that some are wireless and some are wired. its one network |
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| 20:27.53 | interbird | baikonur: Still here, some god needed a reply |
| 20:28.05 | nvz | interbird: what dir do you end up in when you type "cd ~" as root? |
| 20:28.13 | nvz | interbird: /home/root? |
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| 20:28.23 | interbird | nvz: dunno, rtfm |
| 20:28.30 | Norbert | hramrach: I was wrong about the package, now installing alsa-modules-2.4-386 |
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| 20:28.37 | Rasko|nikov | hi ppl |
| 20:28.40 | hramrach | Norbert: since you said you have a -386 kernel you want modules for that |
| 20:28.46 | Norbert | hramrach: right |
| 20:28.47 | ant | what brands or specific laptop models can anyone recomend for running linux? |
| 20:28.57 | interbird | baikonur: nvz is gonna take you over |
| 20:29.02 | abrotman | woohoo! |
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| 20:29.18 | hramrach | ant: the older the better :) |
| 20:29.34 | nvz | interbird: I have users on my systems with homes in /, /srv, and /home, and cd ~ takes me to their $HOME regaurdless. you make it sound as though $HOME doesnt exist and that users always have homes in /home regaurdless of configuration or administrative preference |
| 20:29.34 | Norbert | hramrach: lots of depmo unresolved symbols errors |
| 20:29.44 | Rasko|nikov | mmm, i've got a problem which has been happening since gnome 2.10 entered sid |
| 20:29.48 | hramrach | ant: Linux thend to support new hardware poorly :) |
| 20:29.51 | ant | :), well if i want one thats pretty new whats a good brand |
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| 20:29.57 | resiak | Rasko|nikov: Have you checked the BTS? |
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| 20:30.00 | Rasko|nikov | the thing is that the entries in the "debian" menu appear duplicated |
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| 20:30.04 | Rasko|nikov | resiak, yes, i habe |
| 20:30.06 | Rasko|nikov | *have |
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| 20:30.15 | resiak | Rasko|nikov: And are we meant to guess what the problem is? |
| 20:30.17 | nvz | interbird: if you know this, its no big deal. I am just pointing it out so you know, and dont engage in disinformation to people who come seeking truth. |
| 20:30.24 | Rasko|nikov | resiak, of course not |
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| 20:30.43 | Rasko|nikov | i was just wondering if this has already happened to someone else and have been able to solve it |
| 20:30.44 | brt | nvz: i now installed the 2.6 image and udev, so i just need to reboot, or? |
| 20:30.45 | hramrach | Norbert: that should not happen, what does depmod -ea ? |
| 20:30.53 | interbird | nvz: I know, but I wonder if you know i know... |
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| 20:30.55 | te0x | can anybody tell me how debian set the partitions for a lvm install pls? |
| 20:31.11 | Norbert | hramrach: Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/updates/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o |
| 20:31.17 | resiak | Rasko|nikov: Are you ever going to say what the problem _is_? |
| 20:31.28 | be0wulf__ | how do i get administrator privileges on a windows samba(pdc) client? |
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| 20:31.34 | nvz | brt: if you want to boot 2.6 you will have to reboot yes. though I didn't tell you it would work. nobody here (I am sure) including me thinks udev is a good idea. |
| 20:31.35 | Norbert | hramrach: and updates/alsa/snd-vxp440.o and alsa/snd-vxpocket.o |
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| 20:31.53 | Norbert | hramrach: mostly pcmcia errors |
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| 20:32.10 | hramrach | ant: I remember somebody sold IBM laptops with Linux preinstallled. But the graphics card was vesafb only :/ |
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| 20:32.21 | interbird | nvz: I'm sorry, I tried to help a few people as good as I can |
| 20:32.23 | brt | nvz: oh |
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| 20:32.32 | nvz | interbird: I don't care what you know or do not know. All I care about is what you are conveying as the truth to people who don't know any better. |
| 20:32.34 | interbird | nvz: I'm sorry, I tried to help a few people as good as I can |
| 20:32.35 | hramrach | ant: so you should really check what pieces of hardware they put into particular model |
| 20:32.37 | Rasko|nikov | resiak, i have said it before |
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| 20:32.55 | ant | hramrach: ok, thanks |
| 20:32.59 | Rasko|nikov | the problem is that the entries in the "debian" menu appear duplicated |
| 20:33.11 | baikonur | nvz, well ok, but I cannot reach the router (192.168.1.1) from 192.168.1.3 (desktop). 192.168.1.3 is connected to 192.168.1.5 (notebook), the notebook has a second NIC 192.168.1.8 from which 192.168.1.1 is reachable. How can I accomplish that 192.168.1.3 can reach 192.168.1.1? |
| 20:33.12 | interbird | baikonur: moment please -- war-of-the-worlds |
| 20:33.13 | brt | nvz: why is it no good idea? |
| 20:33.22 | nvz | brt: why is it? |
| 20:33.30 | nvz | !udev |
| 20:33.30 | dpkg | i heard udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 20:33.38 | hramrach | Norbert: that should not be a problem |
| 20:33.42 | EvilSporkMan | is there any way to speed up the performance of "Run Application" (alt-F2)in GNOME? I find that there's noticeable lag when I type something like "<Alt-F2>Lyx" because it tries to look up an icon for the program |
| 20:33.54 | resiak | Rasko|nikov: I'm sorry --- I didn't see it sandwiched between two joins. You might want to rephrase your question, asking it all together. "I'm running Sid. Ever since Gnome 2.10 entered Sid, I have had duplicate entries in the Debian menu. I have checked the BTS. Has anyone encountered this?" for example.: ) |
| 20:34.07 | nvz | baikonur: so your router is not wireless capable? |
| 20:34.11 | brt | nvz: hmm i thought its good when i plug usb devices to the machine |
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| 20:34.30 | Rasko|nikov | resiak, oki, i'm sorry |
| 20:34.32 | interbird | baikonur: Sorry, where were we ? |
| 20:34.42 | nvz | brt: couldnt tell you I wouldnt touch it with a 100meter stick |
| 20:34.43 | baikonur | nvz, the router is, but 192.168.1.3 isn't |
| 20:34.46 | Rasko|nikov | i'm used to talking in less busy channels |
| 20:34.47 | Norbert | hramrach: insmod snd-via82xx.o (which is the alsa one) gives a lot of unresolved symbol errors |
| 20:34.51 | resiak | Rasko|nikov: Not a problem --- just trying to help you get an answer more quickly. I have no idea, I'm afraid. |
| 20:35.04 | brt | nvz: uh, so i will keep my fingers away from it |
| 20:35.05 | Rasko|nikov | oki, thanx |
| 20:35.08 | Danar | interbird: i can't seem to start gdm as my new user |
| 20:35.16 | Danar | interbird: startx just sits there |
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| 20:35.21 | ASTRX|| | shouldnt i install x.org and nog XFree86? |
| 20:35.26 | ASTRX|| | nog=not |
| 20:35.27 | nvz | baikonur: ok let me rephrase, why is this box hooked into the laptop instead of directly to the gateway? does the gateway not have wired ports then? |
| 20:35.27 | Rasko|nikov | mmm, brb |
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| 20:35.31 | brt | nvz: but its default here on my ubuntu box and it seems to work ok |
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| 20:35.45 | EdLin | ASTRX||: unless you have certain hardware it doesn't matter |
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| 20:36.03 | brt | nvz: i know ubuntu is not the same as debian |
| 20:36.03 | interbird | Danar: gdm is not a user -- it is the session-control-manager -- like xdm and kdm |
| 20:36.04 | nvz | brt: whatever pulls your bandwagon, all I wanted you to know is I am not making any promises |
| 20:36.06 | hramrach | Norbert: then the package is broken |
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| 20:36.21 | Norbert | hramrach: yeah, I guess so |
| 20:36.21 | ASTRX|| | what is the package name for x.org? |
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| 20:36.27 | Danar | interbird: uh, i never implied otherwise |
| 20:36.28 | baikonur | nvz, the gateway has wired ports but it is two floors above the desktop so that I want to use the notebook as gateway for the dektop computer |
| 20:36.35 | streuner | ASTRX||: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:36.38 | EdLin | ASTRX||: /topic |
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| 20:36.44 | Danar | interbird: actually, it just started |
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| 20:36.51 | nvz | brt: all I was doing is answering your questions related to Linux Kernel 2.6, and udev is a whole different story I will tell no tales of |
| 20:36.51 | brt | nvz: well i really want to go the safe way |
| 20:36.53 | interbird | Danar: Gnome ? |
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| 20:37.15 | Danar | interbird: hrm. got an error. it was trying to log into kde :/ |
| 20:37.29 | Danar | interbird: well, X. |
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| 20:37.48 | brt | nvz: all i want is easy mounting of usb devices |
| 20:37.51 | EdLin | Sunday's starting early this week |
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| 20:37.56 | Norbert | hramrach: well, thanks anyway ;-) - I'll recompile the kernel... maybe tomorrow ;-) |
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| 20:38.18 | musix | hey, i just installed debian, but i cannot see my NTFS harddisks. what can i do please? |
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| 20:38.32 | jffc | halow |
| 20:38.32 | thingfish | musix: define it in fstab, mount it. |
| 20:38.46 | thingfish | s/it/them |
| 20:38.49 | jffc | trust by dead ow banner from look my text fom desktop |
| 20:38.55 | nvz | baikonur: ah. thats making things complicated. now I see where your problem is. I got a similar setup cause I only have one wired port and I got 3 debian boxes right now. so I setup one box with 3 nics and turned it into a bridge. which is transparent to the software and makes all my debian boxes on the same network as the wireless clients. you are creating a whole new subnet. |
| 20:39.03 | dna_ | how do I copy all the contents of fs_songs to another directory and over right the other fs_songs directory I am copying over? |
| 20:39.12 | nvz | baikonur: in any case you will need a crossover cable as I did for my setup. |
| 20:39.53 | nvz | baikonur: you probably couldnt build a bridge in your case because I don't know that your wireless card will work in that way. |
| 20:39.55 | brt | nvz: i want that my mother can plug in/out the usb hard-disk on that machine without any worries :D |
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| 20:40.14 | musix | thanksç |
| 20:40.20 | nvz | brt: heh. |
| 20:40.21 | brt | nvz: i really dont know how to manage this without complications |
| 20:40.25 | thingfish | you're welcome? |
| 20:40.41 | interbird | Danar: ?? So it got worse ? |
| 20:40.52 | nvz | brt: my mother runs winxp and she still fucks up her usb flash drives.. I told her many times she has to goto the "Safely Remove Hardware" thing first |
| 20:40.56 | baikonur | nvz, they are connected via crossover cable alreay. I have to put the desktop in another subnet and then use iptables? |
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| 20:41.41 | brt | nvz: and thought 2.6 kernel with udev would help, please dont hit me for my "easy thinking" |
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| 20:41.53 | nvz | baikonur: looks that way. I am not a network guru and I have never done routing on linux so I cant really help you set that up. I've just done bridging |
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| 20:42.42 | nvz | brt: I have no idea, and I don't care. again I was just answering your Linux 2.6 questions I dont know what udev is, I don't care what udev is. |
| 20:42.52 | baikonur | nvz, bummer, do you know what I have to be looking for? routing? bridging? ip forwarding? |
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| 20:42.58 | chippies | Why would lilo ignore the image that was specified in the /etc/lilo.conf file? |
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| 20:43.12 | xelam | did you run lilo after changing it? :P |
| 20:43.20 | Danar | interbird: actually, i had problems because my user didn't own his home dir (oops). now it logs into kde up to the same point as my default user. not sure why it's using kde rather than gnome or anything else |
| 20:43.21 | chippies | yah, i'm reading hte log file.... |
| 20:43.24 | resiak | brt: The main issue is that a disk should be mounted with -o sync |
| 20:43.31 | ASTRX|| | The problem is that XFree86 doesn't support my graphic chipset. its the i915gm. |
| 20:43.53 | brt | nvz: ah, that sounds interesting |
| 20:43.57 | dna_ | !dpkg cp |
| 20:43.58 | dpkg | it has been said that cp is a command used to copy a file/folder to another destination without affecting the original file/place (basic syntax: cp /this/file.blah /here/) |
| 20:43.59 | resiak | brt: That way, there's no issue of writes being buffered. As long as she doesn't pull it out while it's being _written_ to, hal and gnome-volume-manager will take care of the rest. |
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| 20:44.06 | interbird | baikonur: forwarding using iptables |
| 20:44.10 | chippies | Would osmeone be able to help me take a look at the log file? |
| 20:44.13 | resiak | dna_: /msg dpkg msgdpkg |
| 20:44.19 | chippies | It seems like everything is backwards... |
| 20:44.22 | dna_ | is there a way to do cp /this/ /here |
| 20:44.25 | brt | nvz: anyway i will make an umount-script/link/starter or something like this |
| 20:44.28 | nvz | baikonur: I honestly dont know what you can do in that setup. most low-end wireless cards arent made to be anything but clients. so you would probably have to do some kind of IP masquerade |
| 20:44.28 | resiak | dna_: man cp |
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| 20:44.39 | interbird | Danar: But you get a desktop ? |
| 20:44.40 | dna_ | what does recursive mean? |
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| 20:44.46 | Lamer|On|Line | crash adjacent |
| 20:44.48 | ASTRX|| | xfree86 claims it cant find a screen |
| 20:44.48 | Lamer|On|Line | :D |
| 20:44.55 | resiak | dna_: /msg dpkg dict recursive |
| 20:44.58 | brt | resiak: ahh, thats sounds really great :D |
| 20:45.12 | thingfish | no way, dpkg is also a dictionary? |
| 20:45.18 | Danar | interbird: i'm sure i would if i cared to wait long enough |
| 20:45.22 | adjacent | i wont |
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| 20:45.37 | adjacent | wanna see a fake uptime string? ;) |
| 20:45.51 | resiak | !tell ASTRX|| -about noscreensfound |
| 20:46.05 | Danar | interbird: kde always stalls for a while before finishing logging in |
| 20:46.07 | baikonur | interbird, nvz thank you |
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| 20:46.12 | interbird | Danar: Well, this is my way of solving such a problem... |
| 20:46.24 | eguzkia | hello someone can help with my nvidia |
| 20:46.25 | Danar | interbird: but i don't want to use kde ATM. i want gnome |
| 20:46.32 | chippies | Where does lilo log to? |
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| 20:46.41 | interbird | Danar: Download a Knoppix bootable CD and see if the same happens there |
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| 20:47.02 | brt | resiak: ah, and for hal i need udev |
| 20:47.05 | resiak | brt: Yes. |
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| 20:47.10 | Danar | interbird: knoppix & the ubuntu livecds work fine |
| 20:47.12 | chippies | I can't figure out why it it's refusing to use a kernel that it booted earlier today. |
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| 20:47.15 | thingfish | eguzkia: what's the matter with your nvidia? |
| 20:47.18 | brt | resiak: so you think udev is no problem? |
| 20:47.36 | resiak | brt: udev isn't always as bad as it is said to be by many. I use it on both my machines with exactly no problems, fwiw. |
| 20:47.37 | eguzkia | thingfish: i haven't 3d |
| 20:47.46 | nkuttler | chippies: afaik there is no log... just the output to stdout |
| 20:47.46 | dna_ | cp -r fs_songs/ /mnt/win1/fs_songs/ |
| 20:47.46 | dna_ | cp: cannot copy a directory, `fs_songs/', into itself, `/mnt/win1/fs_songs/fs_songs' |
| 20:47.53 | eguzkia | thingfish: i'm going crazy... |
| 20:47.57 | Danar | what's the alternative to udev? |
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| 20:48.01 | brt | resiak: yes i also have no problems here... |
| 20:48.02 | chippies | nkutt: hrm. |
| 20:48.04 | eguzkia | thingfish: i can't find a solution |
| 20:48.09 | thingfish | eguzkia: which nvidia card, which version of debian? |
| 20:48.14 | nkuttler | chippies: what do you expect to find in the log? |
| 20:48.16 | interbird | Danar: I know that you want to use Gnome, but KDE also needs a long time -- I'm curious if Knoppix boot fast or not -- this way we separate hard and software |
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| 20:48.21 | cheal | Danar: not using udev? |
| 20:48.24 | brt | lets give udev a try :D |
| 20:48.48 | chippies | a reason why the reboot always ends up panicking and booting intot he wrong kernel. |
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| 20:48.51 | interbird | Danar: If Knoppix also takes 10-20 minutes to give you a desktop, then it's 99% a hardware shitty |
| 20:48.57 | Danar | cheal: i see. there's nothing else that provides it's functionality? |
| 20:49.19 | Danar | interbird: livecds boot fine. kde just finished logging in... |
| 20:49.36 | nkuttler | chippies: wrong kernel? if it boots, edit the config and run lilo |
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| 20:49.46 | interbird | Danar: Interesting... |
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| 20:50.07 | chippies | nkuttler: i've already done that half a dozen times. |
| 20:50.10 | interbird | Danar: Now, as I asked before, are you able to create a new user on your system ? |
| 20:50.13 | Danar | interbird: kde stalls around 'setting up system services' |
| 20:50.28 | interbird | Danar: Knoppix kde ? |
| 20:50.31 | eguzkia | thingfish: GeForce4 420 Go |
| 20:50.43 | Danar | interbird: you didn't ask me, and i thought you knew i just did. that's who i'm logged into kde as |
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| 20:50.50 | thingfish | eguzkia: which version of Debian? |
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| 20:51.10 | Danar | interbird: i think so... |
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| 20:51.56 | interbird | Danar: Can you create a new user on the system that has this problem ? |
| 20:52.15 | Danar | interbird: again, that's who i'm logged in as. (the new user) |
| 20:52.18 | chippies | lilo -v -R brazil; lilo -I brazil yields the right kernel, but it won't boot the kernel. |
| 20:52.32 | chippies | and then it panics and ends up loading the default (redhat) |
| 20:52.42 | interbird | Danar: Can you create a user bliep for me ? |
| 20:52.51 | interbird | Danar: (For you) |
| 20:52.59 | Danar | interbird: i DID create a new user for you already! |
| 20:53.11 | Danar | and i logged in as them, and ran startx. it started kde |
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| 20:53.42 | interbird | Danar: OK, sorry, didn't get that... |
| 20:53.53 | Danar | ok, now that we're on the same page... now what? |
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| 20:54.17 | chippies | but I booted into the kernel once, so what could be different? |
| 20:54.23 | chippies | bad /etc/fstab file? would that do it? |
| 20:54.24 | interbird | Danar: So, New users on the sys also boot kde slow and gnome hangs but booting with knoppix is normal -- correct ? |
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| 20:54.27 | eguzkia | thingfish: i have a mepis |
| 20:54.33 | Danar | interbird: right |
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| 20:54.50 | thingfish | eguzkia: then you need to ask in #mepis. |
| 20:54.51 | johaBBa | i'm looking to buy a usb wifi nic that works with debian. any suggestions? |
| 20:54.51 | interbird | Danar: Interesting again :-( |
| 20:54.55 | Danar | :/ |
| 20:55.03 | eguzkia | thingfish: but mepis is debian? |
| 20:55.14 | thingfish | eguzkia: no it is not, it is mepis. |
| 20:55.19 | eguzkia | thingfish: ? |
| 20:55.22 | thingfish | mandrake is not redhat. |
| 20:55.25 | nkuttler | chippies: not likely, but you may have more luck on #lilo, or install grub |
| 20:55.29 | eguzkia | thingfish: sorry i'm a newbie |
| 20:55.39 | Danar | interbird: how do i get startx to run gnome instead of kde? |
| 20:56.05 | thingfish | no problem, but you see, eguzkia, the two are different and our solutions will not apply in your case. |
| 20:56.06 | Danar | interbird: or at least give me the same desktop chooser my default user has |
| 20:56.26 | eguzkia | thingfish: ok |
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| 20:56.45 | interbird | Danar: Best is (my opinion) is to use GDM -- there you can choose from the installed window-managers / desktops you have |
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| 20:56.57 | Danar | interbird: that's what i want |
| 20:57.05 | thingfish | eguzkia: ask in #mepis - they're slow in there sometimes, but they will eventually help you. |
| 20:57.24 | eguzkia | thingfish: thank you |
| 20:57.33 | Danar | interbird: that's how my system starts |
| 20:57.37 | thingfish | eguzkia: my pleasure. |
| 20:57.42 | outlaw84 | Is there away to make the kernel shutdown/disable a specific IDE device without any restart? |
| 20:57.46 | Danar | interbird: but when i'm logged in as my new user and run startx, it goes into kde |
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| 20:57.56 | interbird | Danar: GDM remembers the last choosen manager, but you can change that from the gdm-menu -- startx is for starting from a console |
| 20:58.00 | Danar | interbird: how would i get into gnome instead? |
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| 20:58.11 | valdyn | outlaw84: why would someone do that? |
| 20:58.24 | outlaw84 | valdyn: because it looked up |
| 20:58.31 | interbird | Danar: Do you login text-based or graphics-based ? |
| 20:58.47 | valdyn | outlaw84: looked up? |
| 20:59.07 | Danar | interbird: when i boot, it goes to gui. right now i'm loggin into the console though |
| 20:59.16 | Danar | *logged in |
| 20:59.28 | outlaw84 | yea the cdrom drive LED keeps blinking with any data being read |
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| 20:59.40 | valdyn | outlaw84: so you really only want to reset the cd drive |
| 20:59.47 | interbird | Danar: You cannot run startx from a windowed terminal |
| 20:59.58 | Danar | interbird: x isn't running right now |
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| 21:00.12 | interbird | Danar: Why is X not running ? |
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| 21:00.19 | brt | is there a way to tell grub to boot to my new kernel-image and reboot and revert to my old kernel automatically if something goes wrong? |
| 21:00.19 | outlaw84 | valdyn: Well I keep gething "hdd: ATAPI reset complete" in the kernel log so I think that is allready done |
| 21:00.23 | Danar | interbird: 'cause i didn't want to be in kde |
| 21:00.52 | interbird | Danar: If you reboot, do you get into GDM ? |
| 21:01.01 | Danar | interbird: yes |
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| 21:01.04 | valdyn | outlaw84: try removing the module ide-cd |
| 21:01.12 | eguzkia | thingfish: no response from mepis |
| 21:01.19 | eguzkia | thingfish: they don't know |
| 21:01.27 | interbird | Danar: Let's do that, then we'll change GDM to start Gnome |
| 21:01.46 | thingfish | eguzkia: that's too bad. install Debian, and we'll be glad to help you with whatever. |
| 21:01.53 | Danar | interbird: bbiab... |
| 21:02.08 | eguzkia | thingfish: now is not possible |
| 21:02.09 | interbird | Danar: Is short for ? |
| 21:02.14 | outlaw84 | valdyn: I got that compiled in |
| 21:02.19 | thingfish | eguzkia: why not? |
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| 21:02.30 | brt | i am looking for somthing like /sbin/lilo -v -R old-kernel but for grub |
| 21:02.33 | eguzkia | thingfish: much work done |
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| 21:03.00 | ASTRX|| | how do i extract a *.tar.bz2 file? |
| 21:03.04 | beginner_20m | hello. i copied my 2.6 kernel image and the initrd from my mdv10.2 to /boot of a knoppix based distro that i instaled on harddisk ,but its not working ,gives me kernel panic,what can i do to make this image work ? |
| 21:03.13 | interbird | be back in a blop -- deduction :-) |
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| 21:03.19 | outlaw84 | ASTRX||: tar xjf <file> |
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| 21:03.28 | valdyn | outlaw84: alright.. it looks to me like either the cdrom drive has a bug, or your cdrom has a bug, more likely the 2nd i suppose, but since ide is not hotpluggable there's nothing you can really do but reset the whole box |
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| 21:03.34 | thingfish | eguzkia: I guess you'll just have to wait, then, until someone in #mepis can help you. |
| 21:03.41 | valdyn | outlaw84: s/drive/driver/ |
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| 21:03.50 | lucifer | hi; whats the proper channel for asking questions about linux kernel options/patches required for using 10k threads in a program? |
| 21:04.10 | valdyn | outlaw84: i suppose you could try pulling the power plug off your drive, but i really wouldnt even try that |
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| 21:05.02 | outlaw84 | valdyn: I think I try to use the security hole that is equpied on all cdroms |
| 21:05.08 | foo | I had a problem during install of debian sarge (net install) ... now when I try to apt-get install portmap, it dies with this: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. E: Internal Error, could not early remove e2fsprogs." And portmap isn't install ... any ideas? I've tried to reinsta |
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| 21:05.23 | Danar | interbird: same thing for new user |
| 21:05.33 | Danar | interbird: hangs at the debian logo |
| 21:05.33 | valdyn | outlaw84: isnt that just to force an eject? |
| 21:05.41 | valdyn | outlaw84: or is that all you really wanted? |
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| 21:06.15 | Danar | interbird: so these problems aren't specific to a given user then... |
| 21:06.30 | outlaw84 | valdyn: yea thats a force eject but I will make the drive stop what ever it is doing |
| 21:06.37 | interbird | Danar: Interesting... |
| 21:06.38 | foo | Err, come on ... does ANYONE have any ideas? |
| 21:06.58 | valdyn | outlaw84: did you try the command 'eject' ? |
| 21:07.01 | interbird | Danar: No they seem not to be. |
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| 21:07.11 | outlaw84 | valdyn: ofcource... it just looks up |
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| 21:07.23 | interbird | Danar: But also not to your hardware since knoppix boots fine |
| 21:07.24 | Danar | interbird: :( any ideas? |
| 21:07.28 | Danar | interbird: yeah... |
| 21:07.31 | valdyn | outlaw84: its called 'lock' ) |
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| 21:07.58 | outlaw84 | valdyn: I force ejected it now... But unfortunatlly it didn't stop blinking :/ |
| 21:08.14 | outlaw84 | valdyn: guess I have to reboot afterall |
| 21:08.15 | interbird | Danar: So it must be some global setting specific -- kernel or system -- you could try to boot with another kernel |
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| 21:08.33 | Danar | interbird: it's done it across multiple kernel versions |
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| 21:08.45 | interbird | Danar: Also, you coult try a fresh update of the system |
| 21:08.48 | outlaw84 | valdyn: well thanks anyways |
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| 21:08.53 | Danar | interbird: what do you mean? |
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| 21:09.14 | Danar | interbird: i update packages all the time... |
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| 21:09.23 | interbird | Danar: Refreshing your system -- apt-get ... |
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| 21:09.51 | interbird | Danar: Have you looked a log-files generated by X, gnome etc ? |
| 21:09.56 | Danar | interbird: i'm using a clean install of gnome, so i know it's not that |
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| 21:10.09 | ASTRX|| | i need to run a install.sh-file, how do i execute it? |
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| 21:10.21 | xelam | ./install.sh |
| 21:10.26 | foo | I had a problem during install of debian sarge (net install) ... now when I try to apt-get install portmap, it dies with this: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. E: Internal Error, could not early remove e2fsprogs." And portmap isn't install ... any ideas? I've tried to reinsta |
| 21:10.26 | ASTRX|| | ok thanks |
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| 21:10.28 | Danar | interbird: i have in the past, but i don't even remember how right now |
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| 21:10.35 | xelam | might need to chmod +x first |
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| 21:10.49 | Danar | interbird: that is, where they are, etc |
| 21:10.50 | ASTRX|| | do i have to be in a certain directory when running it if it installs a driver |
| 21:10.51 | interbird | Danar: No, it;s not Gnome, but my guess is some "system-pollig-routine" hangs on a specific piece... |
| 21:10.51 | ASTRX|| | ? |
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| 21:11.06 | ASTRX|| | i mean does it have to be in a certain directory |
| 21:11.14 | valdyn | Danar: 'hostname', ping `hostname` |
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| 21:11.18 | Danar | interbird: that might explain a lot... and fix a lot if i could track it down |
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| 21:11.33 | xelam | ASTRX||: that would depend on the script |
| 21:11.46 | Danar | valdyn: you sure that was meant for me? |
| 21:11.48 | interbird | Danar: But you get the GDM login-screen vefore you login ? |
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| 21:11.53 | valdyn | Danar: yea |
| 21:11.54 | Danar | interbird: yep |
| 21:11.55 | thingfish | ASTRX||: what are you trying to install, and have you looked for a .deb? |
| 21:11.59 | Danar | valdyn: then what are you talking about? |
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| 21:12.26 | valdyn | Danar: just run ping `hostname` |
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| 21:12.37 | Danar | valdyn: why would i do that? |
| 21:12.42 | valdyn | Danar: or 'ping $(hostname)' - that is the same |
| 21:12.44 | ASTRX|| | thinkfish: how do i check it? |
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| 21:12.52 | interbird | Danar: Install xfce4 and try to start that from GDM -- if that one also hangs or takes long I'm putting 3 more gray cells into my head :-) |
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| 21:13.13 | ASTRX|| | if it starts from the root= |
| 21:13.15 | ASTRX|| | ? |
| 21:13.16 | thingfish | ASTRX||: if you're new to linux and/or Debian, I'd use synaptic. |
| 21:13.35 | valdyn | Danar: gnome gets stuck if some part cant resolve `hostname` |
| 21:13.36 | Danar | interbird: i have it installed, but i can't remember the last time i used it... i think it works alright... |
| 21:13.48 | Danar | valdyn: oh |
| 21:14.15 | thingfish | ASTRX||: and yes, you'll need to be root to run it. Open a terminal, type su, give it root's password, then type synaptic. |
| 21:14.27 | interbird | Danar: Just reboot and start it from GDM -- you almost got me curious... |
| 21:14.35 | Danar | valdyn: i'm alive :) |
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| 21:15.07 | Danar | interbird: no need to reboot. i can kill X and it restarts |
| 21:15.15 | raskolnikov_ | lol |
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| 21:15.55 | Danar | interbird: xfce works fine |
| 21:15.59 | raskolnikov_ | a new problem ocurrs: i have removed /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu and don't know how to regenerate it |
| 21:16.00 | raskolnikov_ | lol |
| 21:16.10 | Danar | interbird: as does icewm. just gnome and kde AFAIK |
| 21:16.29 | foo | Come on... |
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| 21:16.39 | foo | I've reinstalled debian 3 times .. same problem. What is going on? |
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| 21:17.05 | valdyn | Danar: so? tried it yet? |
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| 21:17.22 | Danar | valdyn: as i said, "i'm alive:)" |
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| 21:17.34 | valdyn | Danar: whatever that means.. |
| 21:17.37 | interbird | Danar: I wish I was there; I'm a bit "out-of-options" -- shit ! |
| 21:17.46 | Danar | valdyn: says 'hostname' is alive |
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| 21:18.08 | valdyn | Danar: ok |
| 21:18.24 | valdyn | Danar: i dont know of many components common to gnome and kde, fam would be one. |
| 21:18.27 | Danar | hrm, actually, ping itself says icmp operation not permitted... i used fping... |
| 21:18.34 | grendal_prime | hey i got a werid ati accelerated video issue...some sort...torcs...locks up..cant do anything afterwards |
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| 21:18.43 | grendal_prime | is there a log that would give me what happened |
| 21:18.46 | Danar | valdyn: i had problems with fam when i first started using debian. removed it long ago |
| 21:18.52 | valdyn | Danar: you're firewalling yourself? |
| 21:19.01 | Danar | valdyn: possibly |
| 21:19.04 | valdyn | Danar: umm, kde depends on fam |
| 21:19.22 | Danar | valdyn: maybe that's why it takes so long to log in? :p |
| 21:19.38 | valdyn | Danar: dont firewall yourself |
| 21:19.58 | valdyn | Danar: both, gnome and kde depend on network transparent services.. |
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| 21:20.04 | interbird | Danar: valdyn made me think of a message I got from Gnome once: it needs a localhost defined in /etc/hosts ... |
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| 21:20.25 | booga | hi |
| 21:20.35 | booga | do people run production corporate networks on debain? |
| 21:20.37 | booga | example? |
| 21:20.48 | valdyn | booga: www.debian.org |
| 21:20.59 | mutante | german drugstore chain store |
| 21:21.04 | booga | anything like www.buy.com |
| 21:21.05 | valdyn | booga: ...has a list of examples |
| 21:21.05 | mutante | uses debian for registers |
| 21:21.16 | booga | cool |
| 21:21.18 | thingfish | booga: the city of Munich runs on it. |
| 21:21.21 | Danar | valdyn: i have icmp dropped.. |
| 21:21.22 | booga | I have redhat ent linux 4 |
| 21:21.26 | booga | and sendmail is bugered |
| 21:21.44 | valdyn | Danar: i dont know details, just dont firewall yourself against yourself at all, that is sick |
| 21:21.48 | Danar | valdyn: and the kde package may depend on fam, but i only have kde-core |
| 21:21.50 | booga | if I install sendmail from liek source |
| 21:21.55 | booga | should it kinda just work |
| 21:21.59 | valdyn | Danar: i see |
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| 21:22.17 | booga | it was working yesterday until I removed mysql rpms |
| 21:22.32 | tsuyoshi | what does it mean when I mount an nfs export and it hangs? |
| 21:22.33 | qalim | rpms ? |
| 21:22.34 | booga | now phplist wont send to my outlook from my unix box |
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| 21:22.44 | booga | rpm-s |
| 21:22.52 | xelam | anyone know why dhclient would update resolv.conf, but the machine is non-responsive on the network? (I don't have access except via SSH) |
| 21:23.01 | interbird | Danar: /etc/init.d/fam stop -- matter of elimination |
| 21:23.04 | grendal_prime | tsuyoshi, your mount didnt work? |
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| 21:23.19 | Danar | valdyn: wait, no i don't |
| 21:23.33 | valdyn | Danar: now does 'ping' work or not? |
| 21:23.37 | Danar | interbird: as i said, i don't have fam |
| 21:23.44 | Danar | valdyn: no.. |
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| 21:23.46 | interbird | Danar: sorry |
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| 21:24.07 | Danar | valdyn: it shouldn't block outgoing pings... |
| 21:24.24 | LightVision | when I run other Linux distro's, my hard drive is silent. But when I run Debian Sarge, my hard drive is loud and I hear it being accessed all the time. any ideas why? |
| 21:24.34 | tsuyoshi | oh wait.. now it's saying "portmap: server localhost not responding, timed out" |
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| 21:24.44 | tsuyoshi | do I need portmap running on the client? |
| 21:24.59 | valdyn | tsuyoshi: yea |
| 21:25.02 | tsuyoshi | ah |
| 21:25.03 | nvz | LightVision: maybe because the other linux distros you run don't use the hard drive because they are live cds |
| 21:25.08 | Danar | what exactly does this do? DROP icmp -f anywhere anywhere |
| 21:25.16 | interbird | LightVision: That's because you stay up too late -- when Debian does it's housekeepin' |
| 21:25.17 | Danar | from iptables -L output |
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| 21:25.41 | Danar | i'm not sure about the -f |
| 21:25.44 | LightVision | nvz: no, they are installed linux on hard drive |
| 21:25.51 | valdyn | tsuyoshi: nfs-common depends on 'portmap' and depends usually have a purpose |
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| 21:26.05 | LightVision | interbird: i hear the hard drive all the time, every time I load something |
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| 21:26.47 | LightVision | nvz: for example, mepis and CentOS, are both installed as well as Sarge on hard drive! I can never hear the hard drive when running either of those 2 |
| 21:26.52 | valdyn | LightVision: some drives have a silent mode that will slow them down, i cant tell you if you should hear it still then or not |
| 21:26.58 | s | Has anyone noticed that links2 segfaults a lot in Debian Sarge? |
| 21:27.26 | ASTRX|| | "the DRI drivers can not be installed without the latest kernel modules" how the hell do i update the kernel modules? |
| 21:27.43 | tsuyoshi | yeah, I started portmap and now it works, thanks |
| 21:27.51 | Mr-R | LightVision: whats the dma-parameter on the output of hdparm /dev/hda (or whatever is your drive with debian on it)? |
| 21:27.53 | zinx | LightVision: are you using the same desktop environment and such in them? |
| 21:27.56 | LightVision | valdyn: yes but I have 3 distros on same system. When I run the other 2 I never hear the hard drive. i only hear when running Sarge |
| 21:27.58 | interbird | LightVision: There could be someting wrong with timed housekeeping jobs -- building a locatedb once very 10 minutes over 10G would make a disk spin-out of the case |
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| 21:28.17 | sbk | brt: while I haven't used it, see http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-once_002donly.html |
| 21:28.20 | valdyn | LightVision: so run hdparm -M /dev/hda ( or whatever ) |
| 21:28.23 | interbird | LightVision: Check cron and at for jobs run-at... |
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| 21:28.26 | valdyn | LightVision: on each distro |
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| 21:28.40 | LightVision | Mr-R: I pasted the output for you |
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| 21:29.00 | Mr-R | LightVision: hmm. dma mode is on. |
| 21:29.05 | LightVision | zinx: yes, using KDE in all 3 |
| 21:29.05 | valdyn | LightVision: drives also tend to get more noisy if several tasks are accessing it at the same time |
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| 21:29.41 | shai | didja see that "has no reason" crap... |
| 21:29.48 | shai | thats messed up |
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| 21:30.03 | LightVision | valdyn: but why do I never ever hear the hard drive using the other 2? only in Sarge, whenever I run or load anything |
| 21:30.05 | Danar | what exactly does this do? DROP icmp -f anywhere anywhere |
| 21:30.12 | Danar | i'm not sure about the -f |
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| 21:30.21 | Mr-R | LightVision: is your computer a notebook? |
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| 21:30.53 | interbird | Mr-R: Good question |
| 21:31.08 | Danar | from iptables -L output |
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| 21:31.13 | valdyn | Danar: drops fragments that arent the first fragment of fragmented packets |
| 21:31.17 | nvz | a good question would be do you secretly hate debian or #debian and just want to troll |
| 21:31.22 | LightVision | Mr-R: a desktop |
| 21:31.27 | Danar | valdyn: oh yeah.. thx |
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| 21:32.09 | interbird | nvz: please define "troll" |
| 21:32.09 | Danar | valdyn: as far as i can tell, it shouldn't be blocking pings |
| 21:32.11 | nvz | I can hear many hds right now and never thought anything of it. has a lot to do with the fact one of the pcs has no case |
| 21:32.14 | valdyn | LightVision: so did you try hdarm -M yet? |
| 21:32.20 | nvz | dpkg, troll |
| 21:32.20 | dpkg | troll is, like, http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html, or "one who is gaming the social dynamics of the list in order to warm his miniscule soul at the flames, not one who believes himself to be debating a point of significance (however ham-handedly)." (Michael K. Edwards) |
| 21:32.24 | viki | I just installed debian and i-m trying to get cyrillic fonts in firefox but without success. What do i have to install to get cyrillic fonts? |
| 21:32.27 | Danar | valdyn: it blocks incoming pings, but not outgoing ones |
| 21:32.48 | sandman | Has anyone gotten a WPC11 PCMCIA card working under Sarge? |
| 21:32.54 | valdyn | Danar: im not a firewalling expert, just clear this stuff out, see if gnome works then |
| 21:33.12 | valdyn | Danar: oh, first see if piing works then |
| 21:33.18 | Danar | valdyn: wait, yes it does :/ i'll fix it. and no i won't follow that suggestion :p |
| 21:33.19 | valdyn | Danar: ping even |
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| 21:33.54 | LightVision | valdyn: yes! I typed hdarm -M, and still its noisy |
| 21:34.24 | valdyn | LightVision: why the hell do you expect that command to silence your disk? did i say that? |
| 21:34.26 | thingfish | viki: you mean View>Character Encoding>More Encodings>etc doesn't work for you? |
| 21:34.26 | LightVision | valdyn: any other ideas? And its weird, for when I run mepis which is based on Debian, the hard drive is silent. |
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| 21:34.40 | valdyn | LightVision: check your drives settings with hdarm -M /dev/hda on each distro |
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| 21:35.06 | LightVision | valdyn: ok |
| 21:35.11 | valdyn | LightVision: and read the helptext of hdparm |
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| 21:35.30 | interbird | Shit, truth is out -- I hate debian because my hd's only spin when the ought to |
| 21:35.52 | Oliver_Beograd | Somebody installed KDE-3.4.2 on Debian 3.1r0a sarge ? |
| 21:36.07 | viki | thingfish, the enconding is fine i think firefox selects cyrillic. Problem is i only see squares in my X windows |
| 21:36.14 | valdyn | LightVision: its a baseless assumption that hd noise depends on distro |
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| 21:36.23 | LightVision | Oliver_Beograd: Sarge doesnt support it |
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| 21:36.33 | Oliver_Beograd | OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LightVision |
| 21:36.33 | viki | thingfish, i think the problem is not from firefox but from my X installation |
| 21:36.36 | nvz | Oliver_Beograd: KDE 3.4.2 is not in sarge talk to #kde |
| 21:36.41 | ilpavox | what is the best dvd burning software for linux? never used a burner under linux before |
| 21:36.41 | LightVision | valdyn: well im listerning to your explanation then |
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| 21:37.01 | LightVision | ilpavox: cdrecord |
| 21:37.08 | cafuego_ | Any sarge users seen this mythical bugfixed mysql-server 4.1.11a-4sarge2 package turn up? |
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| 21:37.21 | nvz | ilpavox: best is meaningless without some sort of qualifying characteristics |
| 21:37.38 | thingfish | viki: it could be I suppose. When I go to a russian language website, it just automagically appears correctly. |
| 21:37.44 | nvz | ilpavox: what sort of user interface do you prefer? |
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| 21:38.01 | LightVision | valdyn: I have no idea why the hard drive is noisy under Sarge and never when I run other distros. So tell me then, whats the explantion if you know |
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| 21:38.25 | interbird | What is this "kde 3.4.2" you are all talking about? And what is this "Sarge" thing ? |
| 21:38.28 | ilpavox | nvz: for burning.. anything but command line. mostly for burning data and video dvds |
| 21:38.35 | viki | thingfish, i also don-t see anything on the russian websites |
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| 21:38.52 | valdyn | ilpavox: cdrecord doesnt burn dvd, growisofs does, various gui tools like gnomebaker, graveman, k3b do |
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| 21:39.07 | nvz | interbird: www.kde.org www.debian.org/releases |
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| 21:39.13 | Bluemaengrup | well..... hi together |
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| 21:39.26 | cafuego_ | what backend do you think the gui tools use? |
| 21:39.30 | ilpavox | valdyn: is there a good frontend that incorperates most of the functionality i want |
| 21:39.31 | LightVision | valdyn: cdrecord burns with my dvd drive |
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| 21:39.42 | nvz | interbird: there is K3b which is QT/KDE frontend |
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| 21:39.52 | nvz | ilpavox: ^ |
| 21:40.01 | LightVision | nvz: hehe ;) |
| 21:40.03 | ilpavox | nvz: yea, i'm blind.. thanks |
| 21:40.25 | interbird | nvz: Sorry ? -- Did a put a question about cd-burning ? |
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| 21:40.32 | nvz | ilpavox: its kind of like the nero or roxio things for windows only cooler cause it plays a tune when you finish burning. |
| 21:40.38 | valdyn | LightVision: i see, that used to be one nonfree extension by joerg schilling |
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| 21:40.41 | nvz | interbird: no I fat-fingered the tab key |
| 21:41.02 | interbird | nvz: Naughty one :-) |
| 21:41.07 | nvz | interbird: shame on you for being alphabetically before ilpavox |
| 21:41.20 | valdyn | LightVision: your drive is not in silent mode ( see hdparm -M ), or its just seeking more in debian than on your other distros, i cant know why you're making it seek. |
| 21:41.33 | interbird | nvz: before ? (yeh yeh) |
| 21:42.06 | nvz | oh yeah my tab-completion is smarter than alphabetical thats why it happened. you were the last one I completed |
| 21:42.18 | ilpavox | thanks |
| 21:42.42 | nvz | actually it seems to go on who spoke last |
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| 21:42.47 | nvz | cause now ilpavox completes first |
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| 21:42.59 | interbird | nvz: Alpha-Omega -- the one that can tell the difference is a fool |
| 21:43.10 | LightVision | valdyn: acoustic = 0 (128=quiet ... 254=fast) |
| 21:43.11 | foo | I restarted and the system went to grub instead of loading what it should have ... I just tried this AGAIN. Same problem ... 5th install. /me sighs |
| 21:43.14 | foo | oops |
| 21:43.16 | interbird | (tells a) |
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| 21:43.41 | LightVision | valdyn: how do I change it to acoustic 128=quiet? |
| 21:43.47 | foo | I had a problem during install of debian sarge (net install) ... now when I try to apt-get install portmap, it dies with this: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. E: Internal Error, could not early remove e2fsprogs." And portmap isn't install ... any ideas? I've tried to reinsta |
| 21:43.48 | steig | should one install mldonkey as deb package and upgrade the binary or is it for a newcomer managable to compile mldonkey? |
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| 21:43.58 | valdyn | LightVision: hdparm -M 128 /dev/hda |
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| 21:44.20 | _skal_ | howdy |
| 21:44.46 | valdyn | steig: is sarge's mldonkey to old for you? is sids? |
| 21:44.48 | interbird | foo: One step at-the-time ? |
| 21:45.03 | LightVision | valdyn: hard drive is still noisy after that command |
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| 21:45.15 | steig | valdyn: the deb package is quite old |
| 21:45.17 | _skal_ | what is the utility (on a Sarge CD) to configure the ethernet card? |
| 21:45.19 | valdyn | LightVision: so its seeking, see above |
| 21:45.20 | nvz | howdy, you're french you shouldn't say howdy. That's how Texans talk, boy I'll tell you whut. |
| 21:45.25 | valdyn | steig: sarge's? |
| 21:45.30 | valdyn | !info mldonkey sarge |
| 21:45.34 | valdyn | !info mldonkey sid |
| 21:45.44 | valdyn | !info mldonkey-server sid |
| 21:45.46 | nvz | _skal_: ifconfig |
| 21:45.49 | dpkg | mldonkey-server: (Door to the 'donkey' network), section net, is optional. Version: 2.5.28.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2314 kB, Installed size: 6084 kB |
| 21:45.54 | valdyn | !info mldonkey-server sarge |
| 21:45.56 | _skal_ | texan say it: "haawdy" ;) |
| 21:46.02 | _skal_ | nvz: thanks |
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| 21:46.09 | valdyn | steig: sid's good for you? |
| 21:46.09 | Bluemaengrup | re |
| 21:46.11 | LightVision | valdyn: see what above? |
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| 21:46.23 | ilpavox | nvz: none of those do video dvd recording. |
| 21:46.27 | multi_io | during package updates, those "config file <blah> modified by you and updated by pkg maintainer -- what do you want to do?" messages appear all the time, although I never ever touched that file. |
| 21:46.29 | interbird | nvz: If somebody places a fence and tells you not to cross it, do you obey ? |
| 21:46.33 | nvz | _skal_: I've been to texas more than once. spent a few years of my childhood there.. what would you know, you're in france |
| 21:46.41 | Danar | valdyn: it's not my firewall preventing me from pinging |
| 21:46.44 | _skal_ | nvz: any chance the build-in ethernet card in K8B-Neo4 will be recognized? |
| 21:46.51 | steig | valdyn: i have got sarge |
| 21:46.52 | multi_io | could it be that this feature just doesn't work properly? |
| 21:46.55 | valdyn | LightVision: your drive is seeking, i CANNOT guess why you are running whatever you are running |
| 21:46.57 | multi_io | and never did? |
| 21:47.08 | Danar | i should have realized that since i can still use fping |
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| 21:47.12 | valdyn | steig: is sid's mldonkey-server new enough for you was my question |
| 21:47.13 | nvz | interbird: if someone tells you to shut up ... never mind thats all I got. I can't waste anymore brain power than that. |
| 21:47.17 | Danar | i can only use ping as root |
| 21:47.17 | steig | and the mldonkey package is sid and to old |
| 21:47.23 | _skal_ | nvz: yeah, french never get out of Paris, that's a known fact ;) |
| 21:47.33 | steig | its 2.5. |
| 21:47.41 | steig | and the recent is 2.6.4 |
| 21:47.41 | valdyn | steig: alright, cant help you then =/ |
| 21:47.51 | steig | you still have the sid? |
| 21:47.52 | nvz | ilpavox: what do you mean "video dvd recording"? |
| 21:47.55 | interbird | nvz uses xp :-) |
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| 21:48.36 | nvz | yeah I use xp when I say /me wires interbird with explosives |
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| 21:48.38 | System- | is it possible to install debian over windows? like when installing debian, it gets rid of windows at the same time? |
| 21:48.51 | cafuego_ | nvz doesn't use XP. he's always used win95 with ms bob. |
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| 21:49.00 | valdyn | !wayttd ilpavox |
| 21:49.00 | steig | are there problems to install a sid package on sarge? |
| 21:49.00 | interbird | eXPlosive ! |
| 21:49.02 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ilpavox? |
| 21:49.03 | nvz | heh, whats an ms bob? |
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| 21:49.05 | Danar | interbird: any ideas about my login problem? |
| 21:49.06 | cafuego_ | System-: Yes, tell the installer to use the entire hard disk. |
| 21:49.20 | nvz | ask dpkg what nvz says about windows and gates |
| 21:49.22 | valdyn | !tell steig -about simple sid backport |
| 21:49.22 | System- | u can do that with the netinstall? |
| 21:49.23 | nvz | dpkg, windows |
| 21:49.23 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows they don't work. |
| 21:49.24 | valdyn | steig: yea |
| 21:49.29 | nvz | dpkg, gates |
| 21:49.29 | dpkg | i guess gates is In a world of free software, there are no fences or walls. So who needs Gates and Windows? |
| 21:49.29 | cafuego_ | System-: Yes. |
| 21:49.34 | sayonara | hi folks |
| 21:49.34 | System- | cool thanks |
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| 21:49.52 | daMaestro | hey all |
| 21:49.54 | System- | thats gd dpkg |
| 21:49.56 | interbird | Danar: Not yet, I'm relaxing now -- but I'll come back to you, ok ? |
| 21:49.57 | Fluten | sometimes my screen on my laptop will split, could this be a hardware or software problem? The image on the screen would be moved over, with the left border in the center. |
| 21:50.03 | sayonara | how can i find out how much memory a certain programm uses? |
| 21:50.07 | ilpavox | burn a video_ts folder! |
| 21:50.12 | Danar | interbird: :( |
| 21:50.13 | valdyn | Danar: what would it be then if not your firewall? |
| 21:50.14 | Fluten | and when i restart x, it goes away, but it has happened 3 times so far |
| 21:50.16 | zinx | Fluten: it could be either |
| 21:50.19 | System- | thanks, laters |
| 21:50.22 | daMaestro | i need to recover a debian woody 3.0 box... any ideas/FAQs/comments? |
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| 21:50.40 | Danar | valdyn: not sure, but i removed the potentially offending rule, and it had no effect |
| 21:50.42 | daMaestro | do i just need http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/i386/debian-30r6-i386-binary-1.iso to do the recover? |
| 21:50.42 | Fluten | if i click on the new "image" where a workspace button would be, it won't switch |
| 21:50.52 | Fluten | and when i click on where it's supposed to be, the workspace switches |
| 21:51.09 | valdyn | Danar: maybe that box you're trying to ping isnt really localhost |
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| 21:51.37 | Danar | valdyn: i can't ping at all with 'ping' as non-root |
| 21:51.51 | Fluten | ill get a pic next time, since its a little hard to explain |
| 21:52.21 | valdyn | Danar: that's very fucked up |
| 21:53.01 | cafuego_ | Is the 'lo' interface up? Is your ping binary setuid root? |
| 21:53.06 | nvz | I need to clean up my hard drives. I got shit strewn across the network, multiple backups in recursive form. I cant find anything anymore |
| 21:53.13 | valdyn | Danar: no idea if extended capabilities could do that, your firewall could |
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| 21:53.19 | cafuego_ | nvz: beagle is your friend |
| 21:53.34 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 21:53.41 | cafuego_ | Danar: is the disk with 'ping' on it mounted with the 'nosuid' option? |
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| 21:53.46 | interbird | try a recursive cleanup instead of a backup |
| 21:53.48 | sandman | Okay so I loaded the module for my NIC using ndiswrapper, and it says hardware present driver present.. Now what? |
| 21:53.57 | cafuego_ | interbird: Like 'rm -rf /' ? |
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| 21:53.59 | nvz | I don't like dogs no matter if they are friendly they still drool and don't clean up after themself.. well except when they puke.. and thats just nasty |
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| 21:54.07 | interbird | good idea |
| 21:54.10 | valdyn | ah, caguego_'s hint sound more likely |
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| 21:54.31 | sandman | nvz: Mine eats her own poop |
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| 21:54.50 | sandman | nvz: Otherwise she just runs around with it in her mouth, proud-like. Yes, I know it's sick, but that's my dog. |
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| 21:55.07 | sandman | nvz: I've tried to get rid of it, "accidentally" let it run away, etc. But it always ends up back here somehow |
| 21:55.13 | x11r6 | hye all ! |
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| 21:55.39 | nvz | sandman: oh god, I believe it.. I was walking home one day and seen the neighbors dogs out in the yard and one is bent over pinching a loaf and the other is eating the steaming loaf right out of his ass. |
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| 21:55.56 | pandrew | hello. if i set the suid bit of an executable owned by root, shouldn't it run with root permissions for every user? |
| 21:56.06 | qor | Hiyas everyone. I seem to be having issues with Grub: I just completed the install (from a netinst iso), and rebooted without the CD. It doesn't boot into Debian; all I see is 'GRUB Hard Disk Error' |
| 21:56.07 | tarzeau | braindead |
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| 21:56.15 | nvz | sandman: them dogs are gross, then they want to lick your face |
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| 21:56.33 | tarzeau | i have to create an executable /usr/sbin/update-rc.d with #!/bin/sh to fix dpkg/apt-get upgrades in sid... |
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| 21:56.39 | _skal_ | does someone knows about ethernet card named Mervell 88E1111? which driver is likely to support it? (yes, i'm a clueless n00b) |
| 21:56.43 | interbird | qor: do you have large hd's ? -- > 60G ? |
| 21:56.53 | qor | interbird: not at all, it's a small 5gb |
| 21:56.53 | tarzeau | _skal_: hehe, the new yukon driver (sk98lin) |
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| 21:56.58 | x11r6 | can someone help me for registeer a nickserv ! |
| 21:56.58 | tarzeau | _skal_: what kernel do you have? |
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| 21:57.06 | Bluemaengrup | whats grub loader error 18? |
| 21:57.08 | interbird | qor: do you get a grub menu ? |
| 21:57.11 | valdyn | _skal_: that card is really called something else, try a 2.6.x kernel and sk98lin |
| 21:57.16 | cafuego_ | x11r6: /msg nickserv register <password> |
| 21:57.17 | _skal_ | 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 21:57.22 | cheal | !tell Bluemaengrup about grub errors |
| 21:57.24 | _skal_ | valdyn: 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 21:57.26 | tarzeau | valdyn: you can run it fine with 2.4.x |
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| 21:57.30 | x11r6 | cafuego, thanks ! |
| 21:57.35 | qor | interbird: nope. Only thing I see is that error message. GRUB Hard Disk Error... |
| 21:57.38 | Bluemaengrup | thx cheal |
| 21:57.41 | paxl | Is there a compiled package for transset and xcompmgr ? |
| 21:57.43 | valdyn | tarzeau: oh, i seemed to recall that that driver was new in 2.6 |
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| 21:57.57 | tarzeau | valdyn: yes it is, of course you need to get the driver separate for 2.4.x |
| 21:57.57 | cheal | paxl: no |
| 21:57.59 | nvz | "Some dogs eat cat turds, some of you should know this. Well you got to have a cat, you can't be buying cat turds at the supermarket" -- George Carlin. |
| 21:58.00 | _skal_ | valdyn: thanks! i'll try the sk98lin |
| 21:58.00 | valdyn | _skal_: there's skge and some yukon2 driver in newer kernels |
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| 21:58.27 | paxl | cheal: is there a way to compile them.. since I get No package 'xcomposite' found << and it is installed |
| 21:58.29 | interbird | qor: must be more in the message -- it is a grub message? -- grub is activated on boot ? |
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| 21:58.32 | _skal_ | valdyn: it's just that Sarge's installer was unable to detect the driver, so i left it blank |
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| 21:58.54 | mischko | If I run apt-get upgrade, will it tell me all that it will install first or will it go ahead and install? |
| 21:58.54 | pandrew | hello. if i set the "set user id on execution" bit of an executable file owned by root, shouldn't it run with root permissions for every user? |
| 21:58.54 | valdyn | _skal_: i'd doubt your card is supported then by 2.6.8, but try anyway |
| 21:58.55 | _skal_ | valdyn: but i'll re-install now, picking the sk98lin or skge or yukon2 even |
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| 21:59.07 | cheal | paxl: most likely, if you fetch sources |
| 21:59.11 | _skal_ | valdyn: well at least, that's a start |
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| 21:59.19 | qor | interbird: nope. No menu, no error number... Computer boots, press DEL to enter Bios, change screen: only message, first line 'GRUB Hard Disk Error' |
| 21:59.19 | Bluemaengrup | Why does Lilo work and Grub doesnt??? Error 18 means (Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS) |
| 21:59.23 | valdyn | _skal_: the other 2 and newer sk98lin are only in newer kernels than 2.6.8 |
| 21:59.27 | x11r6 | test |
| 21:59.44 | concept10 | Is there a application similar to textmate for linux? |
| 22:00.02 | Bluemaengrup | x11r6: test? |
| 22:00.07 | interbird | qor: What install did you follow ? |
| 22:00.19 | qor | interbird: regular with 2.6 kernel |
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| 22:00.30 | x11r6 | Bluemaengrup, yes just for me sorry ! |
| 22:00.38 | Danar | cafuego_: sorry, just got back from running through bastille. i suspected it may have been caused by something in there. how do i check that? |
| 22:00.40 | CoryK | where does apt-get store the package files it downloads? |
| 22:00.45 | Bluemaengrup | x11r6, no problem |
| 22:00.46 | nkuttler | concept10: try "what application can i use to do x?" |
| 22:00.49 | qor | interbird: that's what I had -- just switched from mandriva 10.2 |
| 22:01.11 | valdyn | CoryK: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 22:01.12 | nvz | hmm I tried that hdparm -M on two of my drives and it says "setting acoustic management to 128" then just says "acoustic = 0 (128=quiet ... 254=fast)" neither one of them seems to take the setting |
| 22:01.36 | Danar | cafuego_: 'that' being if / is mounted with 'nosuid' |
| 22:01.37 | CoryK | so then i have 1.4 gigs of software filling up my /usr partition:| |
| 22:01.44 | x11r6 | bye gurus ! |
| 22:01.51 | mischko | If I run apt-get upgrade, will it tell me all that it will install first or will it go ahead and install? |
| 22:01.55 | nkuttler | CoryK: apt-get clean/autoclean, man apt-get |
| 22:02.15 | confrey | CoryK, it's not very much |
| 22:02.16 | Danar | cafuego_: /etc/fstab right? uses defaults... |
| 22:02.31 | Gathond | mischko: it will list it and then ask (at least in the default configuration) |
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| 22:02.32 | CoryK | confrey what's not very much? |
| 22:02.32 | qor | interbird: I'd give you more if I had more info... but I don't. You know as much as I do |
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| 22:02.37 | concept10 | nkuttler, Im looking for an application that automate some of the development process simliar to textmate :http://macromates.com/ |
| 22:02.42 | mischko | Gathond, Thanks! |
| 22:02.48 | confrey | 1,4 Gb |
| 22:02.57 | CoryK | confrey it's a 1.4 Gb partition... |
| 22:03.06 | CoryK | of a 4.1 Gb drive... |
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| 22:03.17 | Gathond | CoryK: so you filled it up:) its still not that much for at desktop system :) |
| 22:03.30 | CoryK | i just installed it yesterday... |
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| 22:03.51 | interbird | qor: You can't give more than you have or would be steeling :-) |
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| 22:03.58 | qor | Hehe |
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| 22:04.17 | nvz | Steeling is what Picksburgers do, ya yinzer :P |
| 22:04.19 | interbird | qor: Grub resides somewhere -- nomally the mba |
| 22:04.19 | Danar | anyone know why ping would give: "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted"? |
| 22:04.23 | Gathond | CoryK: and apparently you installed more software than you had room for :) |
| 22:04.25 | qor | interbird: So, any ideas? I do have a Damn Small Linux CD - I can boot it up, edit grub if needed, or switch to lilo... lilo worked :) |
| 22:04.41 | Danar | yet fping works fine |
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| 22:05.34 | _skal_ | valdyn: amongst Sage's choice, i've got the 'amd8111e' driver proposed. Would this one do ?? |
| 22:05.38 | valdyn | Danar: its not running as root, as it should? |
| 22:05.39 | interbird | qor: Problem with booting such stuff is that you have to have the Grub-stuff present and things are relative -- I;m willing to give it a trie |
| 22:05.48 | jjazz | mischko: If you do apt-get -s install foo, it will do a simulation of what it would do, so you can see if there will be any surprises. |
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| 22:06.08 | mischko | jjazz, thanks for the tip. That should work with apt-get -s upgrade then also? |
| 22:06.09 | qor | interbird: I mean, I opened menu.lst earlier, to make sure it was all right: everything looked nice. |
| 22:06.14 | valdyn | _skal_: no idea, from marvell i know only the yukon and yukon2 types |
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| 22:06.23 | Danar | valdyn: how do i fix it? |
| 22:06.24 | nvz | dpkg, mba |
| 22:06.25 | dpkg | i heard mba is Master of Business Admin...perhaps you meant MBR...and have been in school too long |
| 22:06.25 | jjazz | mischko: I believe so. You can check the man page to be sure. |
| 22:06.36 | mischko | jjazz, will do. Tnx. |
| 22:06.42 | _skal_ | valdyn: sk98lin didn't work |
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| 22:06.52 | valdyn | Danar: guess you checked if that partion is mounted nosuid, 'ls -l /bin/ping' |
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| 22:07.26 | Danar | valdyn: says root... |
| 22:07.28 | Tortel | hello |
| 22:07.30 | Bluemaengrup | dpkg, mbr |
| 22:07.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, mbr is the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda" |
| 22:07.40 | interbird | qor: You used Madriva which installed Grub (I guess), Now you installed Debian and made it install Grub in the same place ? |
| 22:07.53 | Tortel | how can i get debain with gnome to run 1024x768? |
| 22:08.00 | qor | interbird: Mandriva used lilo -- never had any problems with it |
| 22:08.03 | valdyn | _skal_: i googled, try forcedeth |
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| 22:08.13 | Danar | valdyn: but that doesn't tell if it's suid though.. |
| 22:08.19 | qor | hmm... install-mbr /dev/hda |
| 22:08.22 | valdyn | Danar: it does |
| 22:08.26 | Danar | it does? |
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| 22:08.38 | valdyn | Danar: -rwsr-xr-x |
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| 22:08.50 | nvz | Tortel: Xfree or Xorg? and did you choose that mode in the config? |
| 22:09.02 | Tortel | xfree, i think |
| 22:09.03 | Danar | valdyn: -rwxr-xr-x |
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| 22:09.06 | Tortel | yea |
| 22:09.10 | Tortel | Xfree86 |
| 22:09.21 | valdyn | Danar: truely your ping has fucked permissions |
| 22:09.29 | _skal_ | valdyn: worked!! thanks thanks thanks |
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| 22:09.49 | Bluemaengrup | before my install of debian I had M$ XP installed on the 2nd HD(b) after the install (installed lilo from net installer) it straight boots hda (linux debian) how can I change the bootloader that it asks me which OS or did I destroy my xp install? |
| 22:09.58 | interbird | qor: Lilo is a different bootloader |
| 22:10.01 | Tortel | nvs: I know the configure command, but cant get it to select 1024x768 |
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| 22:10.09 | interbird | qor: Mandriva uses lilo ? |
| 22:10.36 | nvz | Tortel: then for some reason the mode is not usable /var/log/XFree86.0.log would tell you why. its usually due to out of available video memory, sync out of range (monitor and adapter cant negotiate a mode), or driver |
| 22:10.39 | _skal_ | valdyn: (amd88e1111 failed for the record) |
| 22:10.51 | Danar | valdyn: thanks. fixed it |
| 22:10.59 | qor | interbird: yup |
| 22:11.04 | j4cbo | anyone know what package has libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3? |
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| 22:11.10 | Danar | valdyn: though i don't remember how it might have gotten that way |
| 22:11.16 | nvz | Tortel: what is your display adapter and monitor? |
| 22:11.18 | Tortel | nvs: I have an fx5200, a moniter that runs 1024x768 in ubuntu and window |
| 22:11.21 | j4cbo | the dpkg bot can't find it, eagle needs it though |
| 22:11.28 | valdyn | Danar: no idea, i'd blame bastille |
| 22:11.30 | qor | Hrm. I tried 'install-mbr /dev/hda' from ASH. didn't work. |
| 22:11.33 | Tortel | nvs: its a compaq MV540 |
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| 22:12.00 | pandrew | is there some kind of safeguard in bash, so it doesn't work with root proveliges when the suid bit is set? or why doesn't it work? |
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| 22:12.10 | Danar | valdyn: whaddaya know... gnome works now! :D |
| 22:12.14 | nvz | Tortel: what ubuntu does is reguardless of your misconfiguration of debian, and I am not nvs and nvs is not even here right now |
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| 22:12.19 | nvz | dpkg, seen nvs |
| 22:12.20 | dpkg | nvs <~colin@cwv.tor.istop.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 325d 23h 46m 53s ago, saying: 't_aquinas: If you're using a router, they can be configured separately.'. |
| 22:12.24 | Danar | valdyn: thanks very much :) |
| 22:12.24 | valdyn | Danar: nice, didnt know it needed /bin/ping |
| 22:12.33 | Tortel | nvz: oops, sorry |
| 22:12.51 | Danar | valdyn: now we both learned something. i wonder if that fixes kde too |
| 22:13.01 | interbird | qor: I do not believe. You say Mandriva wich is Mandrake 10+ uses lilo instead of grub ? -- or was it your choise to use lilo ? |
| 22:13.01 | _skal_ | valdyn & nvz: thanks... need to unplug my ethernet cable and put it on the other AMD64 to setup DHCP, now |
| 22:13.09 | _skal_ | valdyn & nvz: bye! |
| 22:13.14 | nvz | Tortel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:13.17 | valdyn | !bye |
| 22:13.17 | dpkg | Cya, valdyn |
| 22:13.22 | nvz | Tortel: what driver are you using right now? |
| 22:13.22 | valdyn | ops |
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| 22:13.31 | confrey | anybody using avidemux? |
| 22:13.44 | qor | interbird: only time I installed Mandriva 10.2, was my first time touching Linux. I don't remember specifying Lilo... but I know it used it. |
| 22:14.03 | confrey | I ofen |
| 22:14.04 | Danar | valdyn: woohoo! kde is fixed too... lol, it's been that way for months |
| 22:14.04 | Tortel | nvz: not too sure |
| 22:14.09 | nvz | Tortel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:14.19 | nvz | Tortel: its like the first question |
| 22:14.19 | interbird | qor: kee, lemme think for a while |
| 22:14.24 | Danar | valdyn: i had no idea something so simple would be the cause. and you're right, it probably was bastille :/ |
| 22:14.31 | nvz | Tortel: I am going to walk you through configuing the server properly |
| 22:15.09 | uruguaian | hi |
| 22:15.11 | Danar | valdyn: guess i was a little too zealous in my choices |
| 22:15.29 | confrey | I often use avidemux to make xvid avi; how much can I increase encoding speed compiling it? have I to compile avidemux only, or other libraries? |
| 22:15.30 | Tortel | nvz: ok |
| 22:15.35 | Danar | valdyn: thanks a lot. have a good night :) |
| 22:15.55 | Bluemaengrup | dpkg, tell me about lilo |
| 22:15.57 | interbird | qor: Can you boot with a system from a live-cd or so ? -- you could so i thought |
| 22:16.08 | qor | interbird: yeah, Damn Small Linux |
| 22:16.12 | nvz | Tortel: if tou have not installed the nvidia drivers you would want to use "nv" for now if you have a GeForce 5200FX this driver does not provide and 2d or 3d hardware accelleration |
| 22:16.13 | Tortel | nvz: Ive been using the nv driver |
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| 22:16.42 | nvz | Tortel: all other questions that I dont specify can stay the same use WIDHE (When In Doubt Hit Enter) |
| 22:16.55 | Tortel | nvz: ok |
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| 22:17.03 | interbird | qor: Is that big enough to have Grub onboard ? |
| 22:17.12 | nvz | Tortel: next question of interest will be the monitor config, you will have choice of Simple, Medium, Advanced you will need to choose advanced |
| 22:17.31 | tamarco | hi, is there any known problem with the amd64 installer? it stops etting the base system |
| 22:17.47 | qor | interbird: y |
| 22:17.56 | nvz | Tortel: I will give you the correct values for the Hsync and Vrefresh for the Compaq MV540 to enter |
| 22:17.58 | qor | interbird: Yes. |
| 22:18.00 | valdyn | tamarco: its trying to download stuff via network and cant? |
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| 22:18.09 | interbird | qor: Do you have a seperate boot partition ? |
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| 22:18.21 | qor | interbird: actually... I think it uses lilo as well. And no, I only have 1 boot part |
| 22:18.42 | interbird | qor: Or is /boot part of the same filesystem as the rest (/) ? |
| 22:18.43 | tamarco | valdyn, it keeps tryng to configure the network |
| 22:18.48 | valdyn | tamarco: if that is the case, i'd grab CD1 and install with that, does not immediately require network |
| 22:19.07 | qor | interbird: it is, it's loaded off the cdrom into ramdisk |
| 22:19.19 | Tortel | nvz: ok |
| 22:19.25 | qor | interbird: but if you do a hard-drive install, it runs mkliloboot |
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| 22:20.01 | interbird | qor: We are talking about a misinstalled debian-grub ? |
| 22:20.05 | valdyn | tamarco: automatically configuring your network requires a dhcp server 'nearby', before that it needs an active network device, and the appropriate driver for your interface.. |
| 22:20.14 | tamarco | valdyn, but at first dhcp worked ok |
| 22:20.31 | qor | interbird: the mkliloboot thing is from DSL. My problem, at this moment, is a very geriatric debian-grub. |
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| 22:20.44 | tamarco | valdyn, and it took ip ok |
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| 22:21.16 | uruguaian | i've a parport cam.. and de kernel know it.. but i can make it work... exist support for parport webcams? |
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| 22:21.22 | tamarco | valdyn, but then it doesnt when setting base system |
| 22:21.27 | nvz | Tortel: Compaq MV540 is a Multisync monitor capable of up to 1024x768 with a tube size of 15 invhes on the diagonal and a HD-15 VGA connector. its Horizontal Sync Frequency range is 31.5-54 khz and its Vertical Refresh Range is 50-120 hz. |
| 22:21.31 | Bluemaengrup | cya all |
| 22:21.31 | valdyn | tamarco: alt-f2, try 'ping www.google.com', if that does not work, try ping 66.249.93.99 |
| 22:21.36 | Bluemaengrup | !bze |
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| 22:21.38 | Bluemaengrup | !bye |
| 22:21.38 | dpkg | Cya, bluemaengrup |
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| 22:21.55 | interbird | qor: Grub and Lilo are two different boot-loaders -- they cannot be both present in the MBA -- one can chain the other however |
| 22:22.15 | interbird | qor: As a master boot-loader I advice Grub |
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| 22:22.22 | qor | interbird: then, any way I can completely dump grub? |
| 22:22.23 | qor | aah |
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| 22:22.39 | nvz | interbird: MBR! |
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| 22:23.01 | qor | GRUB is EVIL |
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| 22:23.09 | interbird | nvz: sorry, did I misname something ? |
| 22:23.11 | tamarco | valdyn, there is no ping available yet |
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| 22:23.37 | tarzeau | qor: no it's not |
| 22:23.40 | Tortel | nvz: ok, should i select all the numbers of resolutions above 1024x768? |
| 22:23.42 | tarzeau | qor: but really update-grub is |
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| 22:24.16 | qor | tarzeau: don't know if you read so far, but after completion of the debian install, rebooting only shows 'GRUB Hard Disk Error' and stops there |
| 22:24.17 | Tortel | nvz: or select all compatible? |
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| 22:24.34 | tamarco | valdyn, it must be something with the network, I rather take disc 1. Thanks |
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| 22:24.52 | qor | tarzeau: used netinst iso |
| 22:24.53 | interbird | qor: I advice grub and you ask if you can dump it -- did i miss something ? |
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| 22:25.07 | qor | interbird: yes, dump grub -- to use lilo instead. |
| 22:25.17 | valdyn | tamarco: busybox should have ping |
| 22:25.23 | nvz | interbird: you keep calling something an MBA, do you mean Master of Business Administration, Main Battle Area, Major Bonehead Association, Managed Boot Agent, Managment By Accident, Massive Bank Account, Me Before Anyone, Mentally Below Average, Microsoft Business Associate, Mind Body Attitude.. ? |
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| 22:25.26 | valdyn | tamarco: that's what the installer uses iirc |
| 22:25.44 | nvz | interbird: because I think you mean Master Boot Record. which is MBR |
| 22:26.00 | interbird | qor: Yes, you can, but then you have to tirn to someone who advices lilo -- try nvz |
| 22:26.08 | Mindlight | Hi yall. Got an easy one. If got a handheld Ipaq with familiar which I i connected to my Ubuntu (yeah yeah ... almost Debian :) ) and I want to bridge my eth0 with my usb0 (the network interfaces). But I also want to be able to surf normally with my workstation. So I figure that I will wipe IPs from eth0 and usb0 and then set up br0 with brctl. connect eth0 and usb0 to br0 and viola...we got bridge....and then set dhcp IP to br0. |
| 22:26.11 | Mindlight | My problem is that I have a hard time to understand syntax in /etc/network/interfaces to really be sure that both usb0 & eth0 is up and bridged. I get it to work now and then but I never get really sure why it works etc. Anyone got a suggestion for what to write in interfaces to start with? |
| 22:26.22 | qor | nvz: my friend! |
| 22:26.25 | valdyn | Mindlight: /join #ubuntu |
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| 22:26.38 | tarzeau | qor: i don't think that's a problem of grub |
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| 22:26.43 | interbird | qor: No, I mean "Mean Binairy Area" |
| 22:26.47 | tarzeau | qor: did you check grub manual or google for the error msg? |
| 22:26.50 | nvz | Tortel: just the ones you want to use. your monitor is not capable of above 1024x768 |
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| 22:26.51 | Mindlight | valdyn, I can reboot into Debian Sarge if you want too... would you prefer that? |
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| 22:26.59 | Tortel | nvz: ok |
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| 22:26.59 | nvz | Tortel: it will use the highest one by default |
| 22:27.12 | qor | tarzeau: I did... I saw 'fdisk /mbr', or other bios-related issues. |
| 22:27.29 | qor | tarzeau: but they all relate to dual-boot problems... which is not my case |
| 22:27.32 | tarzeau | qor: you know what sucks, ibm x86 computers. but not grub |
| 22:27.40 | qor | :D |
| 22:27.44 | tarzeau | qor: i'm serious |
| 22:28.11 | j4cbo | tarzeau: how's that? |
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| 22:28.27 | tamarco | valdyn: base system is not installed yet. There is no ping |
| 22:28.38 | valdyn | tamarco: hit ALT-F2 |
| 22:28.43 | nvz | interbird: that makes no sense at all -- but whatever pulls your bandwagon |
| 22:29.55 | uruguaian | i've a parport cam.. and de kernel know it.. but i can make it work... exist support for parport webcams? |
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| 22:30.22 | sly007 | I'm running minicom, I'm getting output from the device I'm connected to, but I cannot type anything. Where can the problem come from? |
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| 22:30.37 | valdyn | sly007: what device? |
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| 22:30.48 | interbird | nvz: My bandwagon is not that different from yours -- besides the fact you are slaying me for reasons I don't know. |
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| 22:31.10 | sly007 | valdyn, a development board |
| 22:31.19 | tamarco | valdyn: Ive done it. ping: not found |
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| 22:31.29 | interbird | nvz: I just guess you are the kind of person who advises "apt-get" to suse-users... |
| 22:31.35 | tamarco | valdyb: There is no /sbin/ping |
| 22:31.37 | sandman | Anyone have experience with setting up wireless networks with Debian? |
| 22:31.46 | joloc | is there a debian package for a kernel module for atmel wlan cards? compiled atmelwlandriver (sourceforge), but having troubles integrating it |
| 22:31.53 | Mindlight | sly007, I had the same 1 hour ago...my problem was that Minicom hade hardware flow control turned on and my Ipaq with Familiar Linux did not have that turned on. |
| 22:31.54 | valdyn | tamarco: hmm, surprisese me, guess you could try 'help' to see commands available then. |
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| 22:32.14 | cheal | sandman: anyone tends to be inexperimented |
| 22:32.59 | sly007 | Mindlight, it is supposed to work with hardware flow control |
| 22:32.59 | valdyn | tamarco: no idea how to troubleshoot your network then |
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| 22:33.01 | Mindlight | sly, ok. Then Im clueless :) |
| 22:33.01 | groober | My gcc seems to be broken, even compiling a hello world gives me this:/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__libc_stack_end@GLIBC_2.1' |
| 22:33.01 | groober | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 22:33.01 | sly007 | Mindlight, I remove it it worked |
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| 22:33.01 | sly007 | Mindlight, thanks |
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| 22:33.01 | Mindlight | sly. OK ;) |
| 22:33.02 | nvz | interbird: I am not "slaying" you I am once again correcting you both FYI and so that you don't convey misinformation in #debian. the area of a hard drive which a boot loader is commonly installed to is the Master Boot Record or MBR. "Mean Binairy Area" doesn't even make sense. |
| 22:33.02 | groober | anyone have any suggestions? |
| 22:33.02 | Mindlight | :) |
| 22:33.02 | ruzgar | there is anyway to share my dsl connection for microsoft networks |
| 22:33.08 | interbird | qor: Sorry, I'm changing focus. Good luck ! |
| 22:33.08 | qor | Hmm. Still don't work, though. I *really* want to try debian, but I'll go back to mdk if I can't get it to work :\ |
| 22:33.16 | qor | interbird: thanks anyways |
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| 22:33.44 | valdyn | ruzgar: what do your really want to access from that 'microsoft network' ? |
| 22:33.45 | Mindlight | ruzgar, ipmasquerade? |
| 22:33.55 | tamarco | valdyn: ok. Thanks |
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| 22:34.00 | ruzgar | i dont know ipmasq.. |
| 22:34.02 | LightVision | any1 know of any free hosting websites? |
| 22:34.05 | ruzgar | i have a dsl connection |
| 22:34.17 | ruzgar | and i have a network |
| 22:34.20 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 22:34.20 | dpkg | IP masquerading allows several machines to share one Internet connection. Learn about it at http://jgo.local.net/LinuxGuide/linux-ip-masq.html or don't mix the slink ipmasq deb and a 2.2.x kernel, or available at ipmasq.cjb.net, or ipmasq package is evil, before coming here to ask help with unexpected network problems, first remove it! See also: masq |
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| 22:34.37 | ruzgar | but the other comp. is windows |
| 22:34.43 | ruzgar | i can sphare it with windows |
| 22:34.43 | valdyn | !masq |
| 22:34.43 | dpkg | hmm... masq is See: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L, or >> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html << url has changed |
| 22:34.45 | ruzgar | ? |
| 22:34.46 | Tortel | nvz: Thanks, that worked |
| 22:34.54 | groober | so if gcc seems to be broken, is it hard to fix? |
| 22:35.06 | ruzgar | ok thanks |
| 22:35.19 | interbird | nvz: Well, then why do you question my abbrivation of MBR? -- Like, and I quote: "nterbird: MBR!" -- Or does it have an exclamation mark behind it? |
| 22:35.20 | valdyn | ruzgar: read what dpkg said, if that is to touch, 'apt-cache show firestarter' might give you ways to do what you want. |
| 22:35.20 | stew | groober: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:35.27 | groober | probably some kind of library mismatch |
| 22:35.33 | valdyn | ruzgar: s/touch/much/ |
| 22:35.37 | interbird | nvz: What did you mean by this (your) comment ? |
| 22:35.45 | groober | I'm running testing |
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| 22:35.58 | ruzgar | umm ok |
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| 22:37.01 | curt | im using unstable 2.6.12 and my cdrom doesn't work at all |
| 22:37.01 | groober | I'm guessing something isn't connecting properly with libc6 |
| 22:37.22 | curt | I can read or write a thing, not even the cd I used to install (testing) |
| 22:37.25 | valdyn | curt: what kind of cdrom, what exactly does not work |
| 22:37.49 | Mindlight | Hi yall. Got an easy one. If got a handheld Ipaq with familiar which I i connected to my SARGE and I want to bridge my eth0 with my usb0 (the network interfaces). But I also want to be able to surf normally with my workstation. So I figure that I will wipe IPs from eth0 and usb0 and then set up br0 with brctl. connect eth0 and usb0 to br0 and viola...we got bridge....and then set dhcp IP to br0. |
| 22:37.50 | groober | libc6 is 2.3.5-6, gcc is 4.0.1-3. |
| 22:37.52 | curt | cdrecord - xcdroast, reading cd's i know have stuff on them |
| 22:37.54 | Mindlight | My problem is that I have a hard time to understand syntax in /etc/network/interfaces to really be sure that both usb0 & eth0 is up and bridged. I get it to work now and then but I never get really sure why it works etc. Anyone got a suggestion for what to write in interfaces to start with? |
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| 22:38.13 | curt | it is like a generic cd/dvd r/rw |
| 22:38.17 | interbird | nvz: In my experience you are interfering my help to others on this channel by annoying me by trying to correct my syntax while being blind to my symantics. |
| 22:38.18 | curt | cmc magnetics |
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| 22:38.38 | valdyn | curt: 'lsmod | grep ide' |
| 22:38.46 | ke6isf | !tell Mindlight -about repeat |
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| 22:39.01 | nvz | interbird: we don't slay people for being wrong here. But as part of working together to provide the most correct and sufficient help we can, we will correct one another. We get used to learning from each other. |
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| 22:39.33 | groober | curt: is there a cdrom device in /dev? |
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| 22:39.38 | interbird | nvz: Slay is past nvz -- keep up will you ? |
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| 22:39.53 | interbird | nvz: And I also disagree with you. |
| 22:40.09 | curt | yes there is a cdrom in /dev |
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| 22:40.19 | curt | and the lsmod returned some stuff about it |
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| 22:40.29 | valdyn | curt: what stuff? |
| 22:40.31 | interbird | nvz:I think people can understand eachother without using clear and defined syntax. |
| 22:40.40 | curt | how does that paste thing go in here again? |
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| 22:40.45 | groober | curt: what kernel are you running? |
| 22:40.47 | ke6isf | 1pastebin |
| 22:40.49 | ke6isf | erm... |
| 22:40.51 | curt | 2.6.12 |
| 22:40.51 | ke6isf | !astebin |
| 22:40.52 | valdyn | curt: ide_cd or ide_scsi ? |
| 22:40.56 | ke6isf | !pastebin |
| 22:40.56 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the chatroom to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca |
| 22:40.59 | interbird | nvz:It's the Symantecs that matter. |
| 22:41.01 | ke6isf | oy gevalt... |
| 22:41.01 | curt | ide_cd |
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| 22:41.20 | interbird | nvz: And I still find that if you disagree with me... |
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| 22:41.41 | valdyn | curt: ok, now have one disk in your drive, and as root read from it with 'cat /dev/cdrom > test.iso' |
| 22:41.57 | interbird | nvz: You have no right to publicly try to correct me on something you find is of essence. |
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| 22:42.27 | interbird | nvz: That way you harm your own laws -- grasp me a bit ? |
| 22:42.29 | ruzgar | is there any other channels on this server for other languages? |
| 22:42.40 | ke6isf | ruzgar: Sure, name the language. |
| 22:42.47 | nvz | interbird: its possible. but people who don't know better come in here expecting information that is correct. I am trying to help you evolve with the rest of the human race, and you are just refusing to take the information and correct your misinformation. again, whatever pulls your bandwagon I am not going to argue this with you here or anywhere else. |
| 22:42.56 | valdyn | curt: now after you tried that command, let me know what output you are getting or if its just keeping on reading |
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| 22:43.02 | ruzgar | turkish |
| 22:43.06 | ke6isf | !tr |
| 22:43.06 | dpkg | trke yardm iin #debian.tr -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
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| 22:43.13 | ke6isf | ruzgar: There you go. =^_^= |
| 22:43.14 | curt | cat /dev/cdrom > test.iso gives input/output error |
| 22:43.20 | planadecU | hello |
| 22:43.23 | tyranix | Is there a better channel for debian packaging questions? I'm wondering what's the best way to say you build-depend on a LaTeX2e installation for a *-doc package. |
| 22:43.24 | ruzgar | thanks |
| 22:43.25 | valdyn | curt: as root? |
| 22:43.28 | curt | yes |
| 22:43.31 | curt | as root |
| 22:43.40 | valdyn | curt: try again with a different disk |
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| 22:43.46 | curt | i made a bunch of coasters last night |
| 22:43.53 | planadecU | where can i find the kernel development headers for the 2.6.12-2 version ? i need it for compiling a wifi driver |
| 22:43.59 | curt | rtying to make the ia64 cd for my dad's new system |
| 22:44.20 | curt | then made it at work today on another system and it wouldn't boot |
| 22:44.48 | interbird | nvz: Please, was I the one who started this conversation between you and me ? -- So do try to suggest to me that you are truthfull, I started the conversation and I am also wrong. |
| 22:45.06 | interbird | nvz: Again, I grasp you a bit, but... |
| 22:45.06 | valdyn | curt: also, ls -l /dev/cdrom and tell me what its linking to |
| 22:45.39 | interbird | nvz: If i'm not mistaken you are calling me a lier -- untruthful |
| 22:46.13 | planadecU | where can i find the kernel development headers for the 2.6.12-2 version ? i need it for compiling a wifi driver |
| 22:46.29 | antgel | !tell planadecU about repeat |
| 22:46.33 | valdyn | planadecU: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:46.34 | planadecU | tell me |
| 22:46.35 | curt | cat /dev/cdrom > test.iso ~ same thing with a brand new blank disk ~ ls -l /dev/cdrom/ gives ~ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Sep 30 01:25 /dev/cdrom -> hdd |
| 22:46.47 | planadecU | valdyn i need the development ones |
| 22:47.09 | drac | planadecU: and those are. |
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| 22:47.13 | valdyn | curt: do it with a disk that has data on it, a blank disk sure will give input/output error |
| 22:47.25 | valdyn | planadecU: i gave you that |
| 22:47.39 | curt | closed cd-r gave cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 22:47.55 | valdyn | curt: so your disk is full |
| 22:47.59 | valdyn | curt: your harddisk |
| 22:48.52 | valdyn | planadecU: fyi, any header is for development, there's no 'special' development header |
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| 22:49.03 | curt | harddisk? system moniter shows im still pretty clean |
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| 22:49.18 | antgel | i'm about to start writing a white paper using latex (topic: free software advocacy). should i investigate docbook for this, or is it the wrong tool? |
| 22:49.19 | ke6isf | curt: What's df say? |
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| 22:49.57 | curt | nothing is jammed up... |
| 22:50.23 | curt | i got 115mb left on / and 2.7g on /usr |
| 22:50.29 | curt | the rest are like 5 or 10% |
| 22:50.54 | ke6isf | antgel: Hearing about people preferring docbook to LaTeX. Can't say anything further, no experience - though looks like LaTeX is kinda hirsute. |
| 22:51.00 | valdyn | curt: did you try to run cat in some silly location like /dev/ ? or /proc ? |
| 22:51.25 | curt | you might have to explain that one more. please. |
| 22:51.25 | antgel | doh |
| 22:51.29 | interbird | nvz: Silance makes your arguments weak -- Next time, think before you hit enter |
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| 22:51.37 | antgel | ke6isf: latex is hirsute? |
| 22:51.50 | ke6isf | interbird: "Just because you've silenced a man doesn't mean you've changed him." -Mark Twain |
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| 22:51.55 | antgel | interbird: he's probably /ig'd you |
| 22:51.59 | valdyn | curt: if you 'cd /dev', then cat /dev/cdrom > test.iso, then /dev will be filled, parallel for /proc |
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| 22:52.01 | ke6isf | And with that... *plonk* |
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| 22:52.14 | nvz | interbird: I was not calling you anything I corrected you twice on clear counts of disinformation that there is a variable $HOME and there is a MBR, there is no place /home/$USER is explicitly implied by ~ and there is no place where grub or any other place is installed to any such thing as an MBA. I've already told you I am not going to argue with you here or anywhere else. The only thing I am going to call you if you refuse to grasp the conce |
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| 22:52.27 | interbird | ke6isf: I want to wake-up man :-) |
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| 22:53.19 | ke6isf | antgel: Seems that way to me. |
| 22:53.33 | nvz | antgel: no I've never ignored anyone in 5 years.. I am not going to let this one get to me. he's pushing himself to being silenced and what happens is entirely up to him. He can learn to participate in the group or sit silently and watch the rest of us. |
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| 22:53.45 | Esp1 | what was the command to link a script in init.d to the rc.* dir? |
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| 22:53.53 | valdyn | Esp1: ln |
| 22:54.03 | valdyn | Esp1: or update-rc.d |
| 22:54.22 | Esp1 | thanx.... |
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| 22:54.50 | interbird | nvz: Please state the two clear accounts -- or are they only clear to you -- or do you suppose they are clear to everybody on this channel ? |
| 22:54.53 | Novalis | hi, i'm trying to install a sarge-system with apache2 and PHP as a FCGI... but when trying to "aptitude -s install apache2-threaded-dev" i get a "apache2-threaded-dev: Depends: libapr0-dev (= 2.0.54-5) but it is not installable" --- any ideas? |
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| 22:55.08 | interbird | nvz: Or should I scroll back ? |
| 22:55.13 | curt | i am root, in /dev and ,cat /dev/cdrom > test.iso, gives Input/output error on blank disk and no space on a use done |
| 22:55.24 | valdyn | Novalis: you're using sarge? |
| 22:55.28 | curt | but if I cd /media/cdrom and ls nothing is there |
| 22:55.28 | Gnea | interbird: hey do you know anything about samba? |
| 22:55.35 | Novalis | valdyn: yes |
| 22:55.45 | interbird | Gnea: A bit, yes |
| 22:55.47 | Novalis | valdyn: sources.list is ok i think |
| 22:55.50 | ke6isf | Novalis: Is this a new install? Have you selected mirrors yet using apt-setup? |
| 22:55.51 | Gnea | interbird: how about samba+ldap? |
| 22:55.54 | valdyn | Novalis: ops, you said that, nm, you're not using 'just' sarge, what else is in your sourcves.list? |
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| 22:56.02 | interbird | Gnea: Same bit |
| 22:56.03 | doleyb | curt: that's natural. /dev has little space, and just because /dev/cdrom contains data doesn't mean /media/cdrom is mounted. |
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| 22:56.12 | valdyn | !depends apache2-threaded-dev sarge |
| 22:56.14 | dpkg | apache2-threaded-dev: depends on apache2-common (= 2.0.54-4), libapr0-dev (= 2.0.54-4), libssl-dev, openssl, bzip2, autoconf, autotools-dev, libtool, libdb4.2-dev, zlib1g-dev, libpcre3-dev |
| 22:56.15 | ke6isf | valdyn: the package in question is in main. |
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| 22:56.21 | Gnea | interbird: alright, have you ever gotten samba to authenticate with a remote ldap sever in debian? |
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| 22:56.34 | curt | how do i get it mounted then? |
| 22:56.36 | interbird | Gnea: Yes |
| 22:56.44 | valdyn | ke6isf: dpkg gave me a different version |
| 22:56.53 | ke6isf | valdyn: What's policy say? |
| 22:56.54 | Novalis | valdyn: deb ftp://update.pureserver.info/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 22:57.05 | Novalis | this should do it |
| 22:57.11 | Gnea | interbird: oh yeah? i'm having an issue and google isn't finding the solution - i found one step but beyond that, nada.. and i'm thinking it has to do with the ldap libraries that the compiled smbd is against |
| 22:57.15 | Novalis | valdyn: yeah, it's a fresh install |
| 22:57.38 | antgel | ke6isf: i don't quite get it. how can an application be hirsute? |
| 22:57.45 | Novalis | valdyn: did update & upgrade & dist-upgrade to be sure, everything works fine so far |
| 22:57.50 | Gnea | interbird: they're on the same lan 'n all, but it's not getting the secrets.tdb properly |
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| 22:58.08 | doclolo | hi |
| 22:58.09 | valdyn | !depends apache2-threaded-dev etch |
| 22:58.11 | dpkg | apache2-threaded-dev: depends on apache2-common (= 2.0.54-5), libapr0-dev (= 2.0.54-5), libssl-dev, openssl, bzip2, autoconf, autotools-dev, libtool, libdb4.2-dev, zlib1g-dev, libpcre3-dev |
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| 22:58.21 | ke6isf | antgel: Hirsute, being a humorous usage of hairy, in the colloquial sense (i.e., a pain in the arse). |
| 22:58.22 | valdyn | Novalis: you must be using etch |
| 22:58.36 | valdyn | Novalis: probably even sid, didnt check that yet.. |
| 22:58.43 | EvilSporkMan | are there any HTTP servers out there that can just serve a single file that's passed as a command line argument? |
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| 22:59.00 | Gnea | interbird: for instance, if i set the suffix and admin dn along with the type of password database to -> passdb backend = ldapsam:ldap://192.168.1.1:389 |
| 22:59.01 | ke6isf | Novalis: Paste your sources.list into #flood |
| 22:59.11 | Novalis | valdyn: debian 3.1 is sarge, isn't it? |
| 22:59.21 | antgel | ke6isf: i don't quite get it. how can an application be hirsute? |
| 22:59.25 | antgel | doh, sorry |
| 22:59.31 | Novalis | ok, one moment |
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| 22:59.38 | valdyn | Novalis: yea, but your apache2-threaded-dev is not from sarge |
| 22:59.39 | Gnea | interbird: i get the following error: [2005/09/30 15:54:30, 0] lib/smbldap.c:smbldap_search_suffix(1176) |
| 22:59.50 | Gnea | ldap_connect_system: Failed to retrieve password from secrets.tdb |
| 23:00.07 | ke6isf | antgel: was that "doh, sorry" at me? =o.O= |
| 23:00.08 | Gnea | and the secrets.tdb *does* exist |
| 23:00.11 | valdyn | Novalis: apt-cache policy apache2-threaded-dev might tell you |
| 23:00.38 | interbird | Gnea: You have the wrong ldap settings in amb.conf -- can u access the ldap server using the ldap-tools ? |
| 23:00.50 | antgel | ke6isf: the doh was because i repeated myself without meaning to |
| 23:00.52 | Gnea | interbird: i do? what are the 'right' ldap settings then? |
| 23:01.17 | Novalis | grml... maybe the guys from the ISP didn't update their packages yet... |
| 23:01.23 | ke6isf | antgel: Ah, OK. =^^= |
| 23:01.32 | Gnea | interbird: i mean, it's samba 3.0.14a, they changed the whole scheme around abwhile ago, it's no longer ldap server = hostname |
| 23:01.40 | Novalis | ke6isf: done pasting sources.list |
| 23:01.41 | valdyn | Novalis: that wouldnt make sense as your package seems to be a *newer* version |
| 23:01.42 | ke6isf | Novalis: When did you last do an 'apt-get update'? |
| 23:01.44 | Gnea | interbird: i know cuz i tried and read |
| 23:01.46 | interbird | Gnea: That depends on how you polulated your ldap-server -- one good way for samba might be IDEALX |
| 23:01.57 | Novalis | just a minute ago |
| 23:02.08 | ke6isf | Novalis: Hmm... |
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| 23:02.22 | Gnea | interbird: i'm going to need something a bit more concrete to go on than that... |
| 23:02.23 | Novalis | ke6isf: i did aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade with the current sources.list |
| 23:02.43 | valdyn | Novalis: paste your sources.list... |
| 23:03.09 | interbird | Gnea: Well, first thing about LDAP is to get it to work and to have a good scheme -- did you include the samba3 schemes into your ldap-configuration ? |
| 23:03.13 | Novalis | valdyn: i did in #flood |
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| 23:03.33 | ke6isf | Novalis: Why in tarnations did you do a dist-upgrade on a fresh install?! |
| 23:03.40 | curt | how do i know if my cdrom is mounted or not |
| 23:03.49 | curt | i think it is a kernel issue |
| 23:03.51 | ke6isf | curt: Type 'mount'. If it's there it is, if it's not, it's not. |
| 23:03.51 | interbird | Gnea: Ldap is not samba -- samba is can be a client of ldap |
| 23:03.58 | Gnea | interbird: yeah they're already on that server - it's working locally there as a groupware server, so i know the ldap server is right |
| 23:04.11 | ke6isf | valdyn: Check his response to me. dist-upgrade. |
| 23:04.12 | interbird | Gnea: Ok |
| 23:04.15 | Gnea | interbird: thank you for pointing out the obvious. |
| 23:04.25 | Novalis | ke6isf: because the "fresh" install wasn't fresh at all ;) |
| 23:04.32 | omry | how do I determine if a package is installed (from a script) ? |
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| 23:04.36 | Novalis | valdyn: http://rafb.net/paste/results/HnY5oY32.html |
| 23:04.40 | curt | it's not ~be right back... |
| 23:04.44 | interbird | Gnea: But, did you integrate the Samba3 ldap-schemes ? |
| 23:04.59 | ke6isf | Novalis: The dist-upgrade was unnecessary though. Stable won't give the most recent versions. |
| 23:04.59 | Novalis | ke6isf: the install was from a prepacked package from my ISP |
| 23:05.22 | Gnea | interbird: again, yes, it's already setup on the ldap end of things |
| 23:05.27 | Novalis | ke6isf: is it ok to use testing on a productive server? |
| 23:05.38 | ke6isf | Novalis: I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 23:05.47 | Gnea | interbird: i know it works fine on that system locally - and yes, the firewall settings are right |
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| 23:05.53 | interbird | Gnea: Did you create a domain-SID ? |
| 23:05.56 | Novalis | well, that's why i wanted to use stable ;) |
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| 23:06.06 | SaLcHo | hi |
| 23:06.19 | interbird | Gnea: Firewall-settings -- id I mention that ? |
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| 23:06.29 | ke6isf | Novalis: You would have been fine doing without the 'apt-get dist-upgrade' portion. |
| 23:06.30 | valdyn | Novalis: ok, your sources are fine, that newer package is from security.debian.org |
| 23:06.32 | Novalis | ke6isf: actually i think the ISP did setup a sources.list with "testing" in it, and i did a dist-upgrade... |
| 23:06.32 | Gnea | interbird: hold on, i have ldaptools installed so what command should i be using for it? |
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| 23:06.38 | SaLcHo | sorry to bother..i'm havin a little problem with my Debian Testing |
| 23:06.47 | Gnea | interbird: naw, it was just another obvious thing to be pointed out so it wouldn't be a problem later |
| 23:06.58 | Tanelorn | Can I update a "stable" Sarge to "testing" using mounted snapshot ISOs ? I Cannot burn them right now... |
| 23:07.00 | valdyn | Novalis: run apt-get update followed by apt-get install libapr0-dev |
| 23:07.18 | Novalis | valdyn: i will try, just a moment |
| 23:07.26 | valdyn | Novalis: ops, just libapr0 |
| 23:07.28 | interbird | Gnea: Some things can be quite obvious |
| 23:07.40 | SaLcHo | its runing since yesterday but just with console, i haven't configured X, someone now how? |
| 23:07.48 | valdyn | Novalis: ops, just libapr0-dev ( got me confused ) =/ |
| 23:08.00 | Gnea | interbird: again, ldaptools - what command should i be on? |
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| 23:08.06 | ke6isf | !drxx SaLcHo |
| 23:08.09 | dpkg | SaLcHo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:08.41 | Novalis | valdyn: libapr0-dev: Depends: libldap2-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:08.43 | SaLcHo | i already did it |
| 23:08.59 | interbird | Gnea: man ldapsearch |
| 23:09.02 | valdyn | Novalis: apt-get install libldap2-dev |
| 23:09.20 | valdyn | Novalis: you have one package somewhere from wherever that seems to hold up things |
| 23:10.05 | madradrone | are there hyperthreading celerons? |
| 23:10.13 | interbird | Gnea: slapcat accesses through the backdoor -- ldapsearch uses the ldap-protocol -- want some links ? |
| 23:10.24 | Novalis | valdyn: ok, i think it was this way - i re-installed the server from my ISP, using "3.1" -- then did an aptitude update && upgrade && dist-upgrade, thinking it was sarge |
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| 23:10.49 | valdyn | Novalis: you used an old installer that put testing in your sources.list? |
| 23:10.49 | mith | is there a way to tell make-kpkg to use make -j6 ? |
| 23:10.54 | Novalis | but actually they've put "testing" into their sources.list |
| 23:11.00 | madradrone | i guess if /proc/cpuinfo says ht then there are... |
| 23:11.17 | valdyn | Novalis: guess reinstalling with a new installer is easiest then |
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| 23:11.29 | Novalis | valdyn: yeah, i think so... these guys just haven't updated their ready-made-packages yet :-/ |
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| 23:11.44 | Gnea | interbird: sec |
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| 23:11.59 | tga | howdy.. can anyone recommend a nice trouble ticket system? |
| 23:12.12 | MrBallZ | sup every1 |
| 23:12.18 | Novalis | valdyn: maybe i should remove apache2 again and try to install with the current sources.list? |
| 23:12.19 | MrBallZ | I just did a apt-get update |
| 23:12.22 | Thanatermesis | not exist a fucking decent CD recorder in GUI in debian ? (no k3b), I need to record a audio CD |
| 23:12.23 | uruguaian | i've a parport cam.. and de kernel know it.. but i can make it work... exist support for parport webcams? |
| 23:12.27 | interbird | Gnea: No, seriously, I'v googled quit a bit for ldap |
| 23:12.36 | ke6isf | !sup |
| 23:12.36 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades work now that sarge has stabilised: If your sources.list says "woody", you'll stay with woody. If it says "sarge", you'll upgrade to sarge. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to sarge, the new stable. If it says "testing", your sarge box will upgrade to etch, the new testing. Any questions? |
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| 23:12.49 | MrBallZ | and then I typed apt-get upgrade, and there are a lot of packages that " need to be upgraded" is this correct .... around 140MB... |
| 23:13.07 | sandman | Anyone have experience with setting up wireless networks under Sarge distro? |
| 23:13.16 | valdyn | MrBallZ: you're running sid? |
| 23:13.24 | MrBallZ | sandman: what could be the problem ? |
| 23:13.24 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Possibly. What version of Debian are you running? |
| 23:13.29 | MrBallZ | valdyn: sarge ... |
| 23:13.39 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Is this a fresh install? |
| 23:13.45 | cheal | sandman: anyone tends to be inexperimented in most things |
| 23:13.55 | MrBallZ | ke6isf: nope, not fresh, couple of months ago ... |
| 23:13.55 | valdyn | MrBallZ: possible with the last security updates to X and more |
| 23:13.58 | jbroome | dpkg: tell sandman about polls |
| 23:14.03 | eeyore- | that's one reason i stick with sid. it's easier to remember and sid will always be sid. |
| 23:14.04 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: And have you ever upgraded before |
| 23:14.05 | ke6isf | ? |
| 23:14.16 | MrBallZ | valdyn: so if i do a apt-get upgrade , there wouldn't be any problems right ? |
| 23:14.35 | valdyn | MrBallZ: as long as you stick to using sarge and nothing else |
| 23:14.39 | Gnea | interbird: sure, what did you come up with? |
| 23:14.45 | Gnea | cuz all i get is |
| 23:14.46 | Gnea | ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: No such attribute (16) |
| 23:14.59 | valdyn | MrBallZ: and if that is the case you should update, since its just security upgrades |
| 23:15.00 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: That's the general idea. |
| 23:15.00 | Thanatermesis | aparently not exist... |
| 23:15.00 | MrBallZ | ke6isf: mmmm , cant' remember last time I did and upgrade, I just switched back to my laptop (from daily desktop ) to a laptop I only used once In a while |
| 23:15.13 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Then 140mb might be about right. |
| 23:15.29 | MrBallZ | ok, Ill do the upgrade =) |
| 23:15.36 | interbird | Gnea: The same stuff you will come up with if you have a problem with ldap |
| 23:15.39 | ke6isf | MrBallZ: Go get yourself a cup of coffee while you wait. =^_^= |
| 23:16.05 | MrBallZ | ke6isf: yup, just had one :P , anyways , I'll leave it on overnight :P |
| 23:16.07 | valdyn | Novalis: i'd reinstall, downgrading is just not supported by apt-get, might just run in more trouble than reinstall can be |
| 23:16.10 | MrBallZ | thnx every1 |
| 23:16.19 | Gnea | ok, this isn't helping |
| 23:16.28 | curt | that took a little while, but cdrom is now mounted ~ thanks doleyb and valdyn |
| 23:16.29 | ke6isf | !every1 |
| 23:16.48 | Novalis | valdyn: ok, maybe this is the best way to do it... hmpf |
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| 23:17.05 | interbird | Gnea: Ok, I was going down, but... |
| 23:17.09 | Novalis | i will write to them that they should update their packages |
| 23:17.20 | interbird | Gnea: What does not work ? |
| 23:17.21 | Gnea | interbird: but? |
| 23:17.34 | Gnea | interbird: it makes the tcp connection, but beyond that nada |
| 23:17.47 | Gnea | connect/disconnect |
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| 23:17.51 | Gnea | doesn't wanna stay |
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| 23:18.50 | interbird | Gnea: Does ldapsearch show anything ? |
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| 23:19.07 | Gnea | i already pasted what it said |
| 23:19.24 | Gnea | ok, i'm done, illiterate people hold no water |
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| 23:19.29 | interbird | Gnea: Did you reference the Samba3 documentation on the Samba site about ldap ? |
| 23:19.44 | eeyore- | people hold 90% water |
| 23:19.53 | coffeecomet | cool i just installed the debian dvd from linux magazine :D |
| 23:19.57 | eeyore- | unless they're dead and dried up mummies |
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| 23:20.05 | boxerboy | debian sarge has 14 isos to burn are 6-14 needed or can i pick those packages up after installing the first 5 |
| 23:20.08 | ke6isf | eeyore-: 70, actually. 90% is much produce. =^^= |
| 23:20.12 | Novalis | valdyn: thanks anyway :-) now i have to wait another hour to start over again thanks to the ISP :-/ -- it is 01:30 AM here, and the server has to be ready again at 06:00 AM *argh* |
| 23:20.22 | ke6isf | boxerboy: You could do netinstall. |
| 23:20.26 | Gathond | boxerboy: strictly only about 15 MB on the first CD is needed :) |
| 23:20.39 | Thanatermesis | only k3b ? not exist another similar and good ? |
| 23:20.47 | cheal | boxerboy: you can get them later |
| 23:20.48 | interbird | Gnea: Do you yourself have any suggestions where things go wrong ? |
| 23:21.09 | Gnea | interbird: yeah, when you failed to provide what you said you'd produce from google. |
| 23:21.23 | boxerboy | ok thank you im gonna try to install this |
| 23:21.33 | interbird | Gnea: Sorry; diggin' |
| 23:21.55 | curt | what is needed for the netinstall |
| 23:22.00 | curt | just the .iso |
| 23:22.03 | MrBallZ | internet |
| 23:22.04 | MrBallZ | :P |
| 23:22.05 | interbird | Gnea: http://www.openldap.org/ |
| 23:22.32 | Mxyzpltk | Thanatermesis: if you would've ask nicely the firs time someone would've probably tell you about gnomebaker... there are smart questios faqs around in the internet, check one out |
| 23:22.37 | ke6isf | !tell curt -about netinst |
| 23:22.38 | interbird | Gnea: http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin23/ |
| 23:22.41 | Gathond | curt: a netinstall iso and an internet connection supported by said iso |
| 23:22.56 | Gnea | yeah i'm already there now wtf |
| 23:23.08 | interbird | Gnea: http://www.openldap.org/jldap/ |
| 23:23.12 | Gathond | curt: CD 1 of the complete set is good as well, but a dedicated netinstall one is smaller |
| 23:23.20 | Thanatermesis | yes Mxyzpltk .. I have looked gnomebaker... but not have for record audio CDs :/ |
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| 23:23.26 | Thanatermesis | its crazy... |
| 23:23.33 | Thanatermesis | K3b has the monopol xD |
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| 23:23.41 | interbird | http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin23/schema.html |
| 23:23.50 | ke6isf | Thanatermesis: Well, what's wrong with it? |
| 23:23.50 | r3tex | where can i put in startup commands? |
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| 23:24.04 | r3tex | like /etc/init.d/local or something |
| 23:24.12 | Thanatermesis | ke6isf simple.... Im not use gnome/k3b libs... |
| 23:24.19 | NOthsouth | what is the command for see my kernel version? |
| 23:24.25 | Thanatermesis | if install, its 70 Mb in my little hard disk :( |
| 23:24.32 | Sadus_ | NOthsouth: uname -a |
| 23:24.34 | Thanatermesis | NOthsouth cat /proc/version |
| 23:24.34 | Gnea | the schemas are there, they pass user info back and forth on that system *no problem* |
| 23:24.45 | NOthsouth | thx guys |
| 23:24.49 | Mxyzpltk | Thanatermesis: it does audio cds... |
| 23:24.55 | interbird | Gnea: http://www.zytrax.com/books/ldap/apa/types.html |
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| 23:25.16 | NOthsouth | Thanatermesis, there is any site , where can I see anothers commands about proc ? |
| 23:25.19 | Thanatermesis | Mxyzpltk in any case i dont look this option :/ |
| 23:25.31 | Thanatermesis | aparently understand all with "data cd" |
| 23:25.33 | curt | i want the ia64 unstable then all i need is? /debian/dists/stable/main/installer-ia64/current/images/netboot/mimi.iso |
| 23:25.34 | Mxyzpltk | you can always build one then... |
| 23:25.43 | interbird | Gnea: I hope this will be helpfull |
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| 23:25.58 | Thanatermesis | NOthsouth proc gives you very information... only look the contents ;) |
| 23:26.39 | MrBallZ | question: If I were to change the laptop I'm currently using, what would be the best aproach or method of t akin ( or using ) the same instalation I have now, I can use the same HDD , or what is the best option in a complete Hardware upgrade ? |
| 23:27.04 | eeyore- | NoThing: "uname -a" is more portable |
| 23:27.09 | steig | would you suggest amule or mldonkey on a debianserver without xserver? i wanna control it from my ubuntudesktopmachine via web.. it should be easy to manage for a (next to) newcomer.. |
| 23:27.11 | eeyore- | NOthsouth: ^^^ |
| 23:27.12 | tga | MrBallZ, you can just stick your current hard drive in your new lapp |
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| 23:27.30 | NOthsouth | eeyore-, :D |
| 23:27.44 | MrBallZ | tga: and what about the specifically compiled programs / stuff , |
| 23:27.51 | r3tex | anyone know what file to put in bootup commands in? |
| 23:28.02 | tga | MrBallZ, they should be ok if you didn't use any funny optimizations |
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| 23:28.08 | eeyore- | MrBallZ: for the most part a hard drive transplant will be fine under linux, some devices might not work at first but you can always load the appropriate modules later. if you use hotplug you might not even have to do anything. |
| 23:28.29 | nolasco | anyone knows what software is good one for use in mixers |
| 23:28.40 | eeyore- | MrBallZ: going from "worse" to "better" cpu will work :) |
| 23:28.54 | interbird | nvz: Please say I'm out-of-bounds |
| 23:29.02 | tga | -funroll-loops will fix everything |
| 23:29.06 | tga | oops, wrong channel |
| 23:29.18 | jvives_ | hey guys, quick question.... what command was used to see who/what was using a dev (I'm trying to umount sth) |
| 23:29.24 | tga | jvives_, lsof |
| 23:29.33 | tga | jvives_, lsof |grep blah |
| 23:29.36 | eeyore- | jvives_: fuser |
| 23:29.36 | MrBallZ | I'm thinking on getting a better laptop, current one is P4-M @1800Mhz , I would like an ASUS with Turion CPU |
| 23:29.37 | jvives_ | thx |
| 23:29.45 | eeyore- | jvives_: you probably have a shell open in that directory |
| 23:29.48 | interbird | jvives: lsof ? |
| 23:30.04 | interbird | jvives: lsof /dev/hda |
| 23:30.18 | MrBallZ | so ...., hdd transplants are safe to do in *nix, that is sooo comfortable =D |
| 23:30.20 | eeyore- | interbird: uh, no |
| 23:30.28 | tga | that won't help you interbird |
| 23:30.38 | interbird | eeyore: oops... |
| 23:30.43 | curt | why are all the downloads in the ia64 working directories from 11-Aug-2005 09:47 |
| 23:30.54 | interbird | tga: no, i know, i'm fucked |
| 23:31.04 | tga | good for you |
| 23:31.16 | curt | looks like all the ia64 stuff is two months old |
| 23:31.17 | interbird | hmm |
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| 23:32.43 | valdyn | curt: and? why is that suprising? |
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| 23:33.39 | coffeecomet | nice quit message jvives lol |
| 23:33.54 | curt | well i downloaded it last night the .ios's wouldn't boot |
| 23:33.57 | coffeecomet | it'd be LAX on xmas eve LOL |
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| 23:34.09 | coffeecomet | espcially on efnet |
| 23:34.21 | coffeecomet | ewww that place gives me the willies |
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| 23:35.02 | valdyn | curt: what directory? its not like sarge is changing, so directories on a mirror can be old. |
| 23:35.11 | coffeecomet | i have a winmodem and i'd like to run it on debian any deb packages for ltmodem.* |
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| 23:35.24 | curt | http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
| 23:35.27 | coffeecomet | hi thingfish :) |
| 23:35.35 | steig | would you suggest amule or mldonkey on a debianserver without xserver? i wanna control it from my ubuntudesktopmachine via web.. it should be easy to manage for a (next to) newcomer.. |
| 23:35.50 | thingfish | hi coffeecomet |
| 23:36.20 | coffeecomet | heya is lucent winmodem supported in sarge or where could i find out? |
| 23:36.57 | valdyn | curt: date is obviously wrong |
| 23:37.01 | valdyn | curt: not like that matters |
| 23:37.06 | FM4 | Hey there, unfortunately I can't remember who helped me yesterday - does anybody here remember me and my opposite yesterday? |
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| 23:37.38 | coffeecomet | hmmm i gotta beat feet laterz deblepeople :) |
| 23:37.45 | FM4 | I used to ask about the "stdin: is not a valid tty" problem |
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| 23:38.41 | eeyore- | FM4: "man isatty" |
| 23:39.05 | interbird | nvz: Sorry for being so obnoxtious -- I like what you said -- no harm no offence I hope, bye |
| 23:39.21 | FM4 | eeyore: I found what the problem was :) but it happened to be more complicated :) |
| 23:39.33 | resiak | FM4: stew |
| 23:39.34 | FM4 | stew: was it YOU I talked to? |
| 23:39.36 | eeyore- | FM4: yeah? sounds like the program was expecting a tty |
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| 23:39.44 | FM4 | resiak: Yeah! thanks! :) |
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| 23:40.14 | FM4 | eeyore: yeah - the problem was that I could not log in through SSH - it threw this error message and the communication dropped |
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| 23:40.40 | FM4 | oops.. |
| 23:40.46 | FM4 | wrong button ;) |
| 23:40.47 | eeyore- | FM4: you don't have master/slave pty setup then, maybe? |
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| 23:41.37 | FM4 | eeyore: it's a preconfigured multihost-system (Virtuozzo) - I never had to deal with m/s pty configuration |
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| 23:41.42 | aarkerio | Hi, I wanna mount a partition over internet but I don't have any experience: samba, NFS, CODA ? |
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| 23:41.50 | FM4 | eeyore but I fixed it THIS way: cd /dev; /sbin/MAKEDEV -v generic |
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| 23:42.04 | FM4 | eeyore: this is what I wanted to tell stew ;) |
| 23:42.09 | eeyore- | FM4: yeah, that'll make a bunch of standard devices :-) |
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| 23:42.26 | FM4 | eeyore: man that rescued my ass... |
| 23:42.28 | eeyore- | FM4: which will fix the problem of not having device nodes for it :) |
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| 23:43.15 | FM4 | eeyore: when I only knew about that yesterday, I would not have reinstalled the machine ;) |
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| 23:44.28 | eeyore- | aarke: coda = experimental, nfs-over-internet = stupid, samba-over-internet = stupid |
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| 23:44.42 | eeyore- | oh well |
| 23:44.45 | grendal_prime | can someone please tell me what the hell this means |
| 23:44.46 | s | can someone tell me what package i need to install to have my wireless card look for what networks are available. |
| 23:44.48 | grendal_prime | ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) |
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| 23:45.07 | bob2 | there's SFS too |
| 23:45.08 | eeyore- | s: as in ... wardriving? kismet |
| 23:45.10 | FM4 | eeyore: the funny thing was that after the reinstall I got stuck on the same problem after installing Qmail |
| 23:45.11 | bob2 | but it's just as evil |
| 23:45.37 | eeyore- | bob2: i'd probably do webdav for things i don't care much and can host out on the dmz |
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| 23:46.13 | ogum | s: what card do u have? |
| 23:46.32 | eeyore- | bob2: at least webdav is one port and i could lock it down via iptables or htaccess |
| 23:46.42 | Shadda | Hey, I'm having some trouble getting a drive to mount...It's kinda bizarre |
| 23:47.00 | Shadda | It's a slave drive that I've deleted the partition to, and added a new one (type 83, i assume ext3) |
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| 23:47.10 | ruzgar | how can i run .sh .run files? |
| 23:47.18 | Shadda | I've added it in fstab, /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 23:47.26 | grendal_prime | ./shfile |
| 23:47.26 | Shadda | when I run mount /dev/hdb1 |
| 23:47.32 | Shadda | mount: /dev/hdb1 already mounted or /mnt/hdb busy |
| 23:47.36 | dondelelcaro | or 'sh shfile'.. |
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| 23:47.43 | Shadda | But If you look at mtab, or if I type 'mount' |
| 23:47.45 | Shadda | It's not mounted |
| 23:47.45 | bob2 | eeyore-: hm, yeah |
| 23:47.48 | ruzgar | .run? |
| 23:47.52 | Shadda | nothing is mounted on /mnt/hdb either |
| 23:48.03 | eeyore- | Shadda: it's probably not a valid ext3 filesystem |
| 23:48.04 | grendal_prime | ./run |
| 23:48.07 | grendal_prime | i would think |
| 23:48.11 | ruzgar | hıım |
| 23:48.12 | Shadda | eeyore-: any idea how I could fix it? |
| 23:48.16 | grendal_prime | dont know never actually seen a .run rile |
| 23:48.23 | ruzgar | i download ati drivers |
| 23:48.24 | eeyore- | Shadda: take several steps back, take a deep breath |
| 23:48.32 | eeyore- | Shadda: why did you have this problem to begin with? |
| 23:48.33 | Shadda | I've deleted and remade the partition twice now |
| 23:48.44 | eeyore- | Shadda: if i tell you how to "fix" it, you might actually be blowing away your data |
| 23:48.45 | ruzgar | their extension is .run |
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| 23:48.54 | Shadda | eeyore-: I don't care about the data :) |
| 23:48.57 | eeyore- | Shadda: you are not making sense |
| 23:48.57 | Shadda | I want it wiped clean |
| 23:49.18 | eeyore- | Shadda: in THAT case, if you just want a new partition, "mke2fs -j -m0 -c0 /dev/hdb1" |
| 23:49.19 | ruzgar | it is give an error |
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| 23:49.26 | eeyore- | Shadda: uh, -c, not -c0 |
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| 23:49.42 | Shadda | It's giving me problems on -j actually |
| 23:49.46 | ruzgar | it say you are not allowed |
| 23:49.52 | foreyez_ | hello... how do i add to my path what is already in the path....? |
| 23:49.53 | Shadda | E: Command line option 'j' [from -j] is not known. |
| 23:49.57 | eeyore- | Shadda: what are you talking about? |
| 23:50.04 | dvs | foreyez_: ${PATH} |
| 23:50.04 | grendal_prime | can anyone tel me what this means |
| 23:50.05 | eeyore- | Shadda: "mke2fs -j -m0 -c /dev/hdb1"? |
| 23:50.06 | grendal_prime | ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) |
| 23:50.09 | Shadda | err my mistake |
| 23:50.12 | Shadda | I hit up by accident |
| 23:50.18 | Shadda | didn't even notice when I was typing |
| 23:50.47 | Shadda | /dev/hdb1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! |
| 23:50.57 | foreyez_ | dvs, not just $PATH ? |
| 23:50.59 | Shadda | It's not mounted :P |
| 23:51.08 | dvs | foreyez_: That will work too |
| 23:51.09 | *** part/#debian ruzgar (i=ruzgar@p50914DD4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
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| 23:51.40 | m2 | what's that url where you can search the contents of the Sarge isos? |
| 23:51.53 | valdyn | !cd contents |
| 23:51.54 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 23:52.01 | m2 | valdyn: thanks! |
| 23:52.25 | foreyez_ | tnx |
| 23:53.16 | eeyore- | Shadda: it's probably mounted somewhere. look harder :-) |
| 23:53.23 | eeyore- | Shadda: (or reboot) |
| 23:53.43 | dvs | no prob |
| 23:53.54 | Shadda | eeyore-: well this is why I came in here...I've done every possible thing I can and it's _not_ mounted... |
| 23:53.56 | Shadda | not in mtab |
| 23:54.16 | Shadda | I doubt you want me pasting it here though |
| 23:54.23 | Shadda | and yes, I've rebooted |
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| 23:56.21 | ogum | hi everyone. my eth0 connection to external router is up. router is working fine (using xp on this pc) but my debian pc has no access to internet. tried ping to router and responds fine. |
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| 23:56.54 | Wyzard | ogum: Default gateway? |
| 23:56.58 | dvs | ogum: Can you ping a internet site name? |
| 23:57.00 | Shadda | ogum: try route add default gw 192.168.1.1 (or whatever your gateway is) |
| 23:57.56 | Wyzard | though if your router has DHCP, that should've been set up automatically |
| 23:57.59 | curt | unmount |
| 23:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 681] by debhelper |
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| 23:59.06 | sake | i've done netinst, got xfce with apt-get but still missing xserver how do i apt-get it? |
| 23:59.10 | *** part/#debian jimmy_ (n=jimmy@host167-162.pool8257.interbusiness.it) |
| 23:59.29 | ogum | dvs: no. |
| 23:59.38 | cheal | sake: install x-window-system-core |
