| 00:00.18 | jim | dregan_: what is the domain you own |
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| 00:00.40 | abrotman | www.realtek.net.au is a real host apparently |
| 00:00.48 | Thaiger | I compiled the AGP module for VIA and I did a make modules and a make modules_install, but I still don't have a via-agp module |
| 00:01.00 | debeast | anyone have a minute having a little trouble with xfree86 |
| 00:01.04 | dregan_ | jim: I get a an unknown server - from ping locally and eternally |
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| 00:01.34 | jim | so you ping locally for an eternity and still get no joy? :) |
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| 00:01.52 | jim | dregan_: what is the domain you own |
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| 00:02.16 | abrotman | Thaiger: you have an ati card .. not via |
| 00:02.24 | abrotman | Thaiger: and does your DRI work with a debian kernel ? |
| 00:02.26 | dregan_ | jim: It is my domain (realtek.net.au) If I ping www.realtek.net.au externally, no problem, locally unknown host message |
| 00:02.34 | jim | ahh, ok |
| 00:02.56 | abrotman | cat /etc/resolf.conf |
| 00:02.56 | carrett | hi guys. when i try modprobe it say "module nvidia not found." but it is in /lib/modules/2.6.13.2 (my kernel is 2.6.13.2) and i can insmod...but why can't i modprobe!? |
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| 00:03.17 | abrotman | !insmod |
| 00:03.17 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
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| 00:03.32 | jim | dregan_: right, the name server seems to work fine |
| 00:03.47 | carrett | abrotman: ok, but i can't modprobe! |
| 00:03.49 | jim | the problem must be that your machines don't use it |
| 00:03.56 | Thaiger | abrotman: I have an ATI card but my AGP bridge is VIA, the only thing on the trouble shooting that seems to apply to me at all say I need to find out what AGP chipset I have and use the module for it, except it says that for 2.6, but I don't know what else to do |
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| 00:04.01 | jim | wait, that can't be it |
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| 00:04.08 | carrett | abrotman: and i am certain i have installed the package "the debian way" so it should all be hunky dory. |
| 00:04.25 | candle | hehe |
| 00:04.30 | imageek | ok.. real noob question. and i know i have seen this before i just cant find it now. how do i reconfigure a package? |
| 00:04.33 | dregan_ | because of desperation of my local dns apparently not propergating, I set A,SOA,MX records into www.zoneedit.com |
| 00:04.51 | jim | dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
| 00:04.52 | candle | carrett: hunky dory? is that texan for "I am a farm boy" ? |
| 00:04.56 | imageek | doh.. just found it |
| 00:04.57 | imageek | ok thank |
| 00:05.27 | carrett | candle: no, it's an awesome album by david bowie. facist. |
| 00:05.44 | abrotman | Thaiger: and a deiban kernel works ? |
| 00:05.46 | candle | carrett: who is bowie? |
| 00:05.48 | debeast | has anyone setup a asterisk pbx anyone ???? |
| 00:05.54 | debeast | a /an |
| 00:05.55 | abrotman | carrett: depmod ? |
| 00:05.58 | abrotman | !asterisk |
| 00:05.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, asterisk is a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable |
| 00:06.12 | debeast | ahh joining now |
| 00:06.15 | carrett | abrotman: depmod...like, what? |
| 00:06.18 | jim | some musician that's been around a long loooonnngg time |
| 00:06.24 | abrotman | your magic nvidia stuff ? |
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| 00:06.32 | abrotman | god .. nvidia is such a pile of shit :) |
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| 00:07.37 | carrett | abrotman: yeah...but i'm stuck with it. so...you're saying i should depmod nvidia or something? |
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| 00:07.45 | candle | abrotman: did you find one? |
| 00:08.03 | jim | dregan_: the zone seems to have propigated fine and everything... check the name server the machine that's failing uses to look names up |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | depmod -a ? |
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| 00:08.12 | abrotman | candle: ? |
| 00:08.13 | Thaiger | abrotman: I'm sorry, what do you mean? |
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| 00:08.30 | candle | abrotman: did you find a nvidia in your loo? |
| 00:08.49 | abrotman | Thaiger: you rolled your own kernel .. does a debian kernel work? |
| 00:08.51 | seanr | tarzeau: FYI, I successfully downgraded GTK. Uninstalled libgtk2.0-0 and related packages, set apt to get only from testing, then reinstalled same. I now have working gnome apps. YEEEHAA!!! ;-) |
| 00:08.53 | debeast | that sux theres no one in that chat room |
| 00:08.56 | Guerin | all 3d cards are shit |
| 00:08.58 | Guerin | film at 11 |
| 00:08.58 | abrotman | candle: no .. too much crap in there :) |
| 00:09.01 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 00:09.02 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 00:09.04 | abrotman | the one true way! |
| 00:09.35 | carrett | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:09.47 | carrett | abrotman: depmod solved...i can modprobe now...but what did that do? |
| 00:09.54 | dregan_ | abrotman: line1: search realtek.net.au |
| 00:10.02 | candle | abrotman: yeah, you must speak a lot into it :) |
| 00:10.14 | Thaiger | abrotman: Like a kernel-image package? Haven't tried that |
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| 00:10.28 | dregan_ | abrotman: line1: nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:10.32 | abrotman | carrett: man depmod |
| 00:10.43 | abrotman | Thaiger: so try? |
| 00:11.15 | Thaiger | abrotman: Does it matter what version? I was going to try a 2.4.27 image |
| 00:11.19 | jim | dregan_: so are you running a name server on the box that has that file? |
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| 00:13.14 | dregan_ | jim: I am trying to ping on the box that has bind running |
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| 00:13.55 | abrotman | Thaiger: something close to what you're trying now .. either 2.4 or 2.7 |
| 00:13.56 | abrotman | err 2.6 |
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| 00:14.10 | carrett | abrotman: hey, how do i get modules loaded autmagically? used to load them in modconf and be good to go, but now i was wondering how i can avoid having to modprobe nvidia (or whatever) every time i reboot? |
| 00:14.21 | abrotman | carrett: /etc/modules or modconf |
| 00:15.05 | dregan_ | jim: I can ping everygthing listed in the local hosts file! eg: ns1, mail, localdomain, ns1.realtek.net.au etc |
| 00:15.35 | Thaiger | abrotman: OK, going to try that now, thanks |
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| 00:16.54 | carrett | dammit, i know i'm being annoying, but now that i've loaded nvidia and i try to start X, it says it can't load the nvidia module...what gives? |
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| 00:17.08 | abrotman | carrett: your computer hates you |
| 00:17.10 | jim | dregan_: is bind actually running on that machine? :) |
| 00:17.19 | carrett | abrotman: seriously! |
| 00:17.22 | EdLin | carrett: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 00:17.55 | EdLin | !sing sunday |
| 00:17.55 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 00:18.32 | EdLin | abrotman: what is the worst one, teco? |
| 00:18.43 | PrimoTurbo | does anyone know how to recover a password for a nickname |
| 00:18.46 | abrotman | EdLin: xedit on mainframe is #1 .. emacs is #2 :) |
| 00:18.47 | PrimoTurbo | I seem to forgot mine |
| 00:19.06 | Frem | what? EdLin better then xedit? |
| 00:19.12 | abrotman | worst |
| 00:19.14 | jim | PrimoTurbo: *shrug*... try joining #freenode |
| 00:19.16 | abrotman | Frem: oh .. yes |
| 00:19.26 | Daveman | haha |
| 00:19.28 | abrotman | Frem: xedit from mainframe .. not linux |
| 00:19.38 | Guerin | abrotman: just because you're too stupid to use emacs |
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| 00:19.53 | abrotman | or because i'm too smart to use it |
| 00:19.58 | ke6isf | !start an editor war |
| 00:19.58 | dpkg | joe sucks |
| 00:20.02 | Slippy^ | Is it possible to change the color of the console font? |
| 00:20.04 | Frem | emacs scares me. |
| 00:20.06 | Guerin | abrotman: hah |
| 00:20.09 | Guerin | !possible |
| 00:20.09 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 00:20.10 | jim | !stop a barbie war |
| 00:20.10 | dpkg | wars are too HARD! let's just all be friends and go shopping! |
| 00:20.35 | dregan_ | jim: yes |
| 00:20.35 | ke6isf | HAH! |
| 00:21.05 | jim | dregan_: is that dns the auth one? |
| 00:21.17 | jim | or is it just a caching-only server? |
| 00:21.37 | abrotman | jim: afaict .. he has one internal . one external |
| 00:21.39 | dregan_ | jim: I am trying to use it as the auth one |
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| 00:22.17 | jim | well, you're using it for two purposes afaict... make sure it's configured to do both |
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| 00:22.22 | Frem | I'm trying to compile a GTK2 program, but I'm getting all these errors about gtk commands. Is there a gtk development lib I need? |
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| 00:22.44 | Guerin | !wayc Frem |
| 00:22.44 | jim | Frem: ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... could be :) |
| 00:22.45 | abrotman | libgtk2.0-dev or some crap |
| 00:22.46 | dpkg | Frem: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 00:22.50 | ke6isf | Frem: Probably. Why not use pastebin to tell us what the errors are? |
| 00:23.28 | Frem | dpkg: apt-get lacks sux-panel |
| 00:23.38 | moyote | oops |
| 00:23.44 | Guerin | Frem: i bet it sux anyway |
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| 00:24.02 | ke6isf | Reminds me, I need to build latest Sylpheed. |
| 00:24.34 | AciD`` | I just finished a logo for an application, what licence fits better to release it ? creative commons ? |
| 00:24.39 | abrotman | !wayc ke6isf |
| 00:24.40 | dpkg | ke6isf: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 00:24.46 | EvilSporkMan | how do i install a single package and its dependencies from unstable? |
| 00:24.52 | ke6isf | abrotman: Because I can. =^_^= |
| 00:25.02 | abrotman | !tell EvilSporkMan about pinning |
| 00:25.15 | ke6isf | abrotman: Actually, it's because the release available is much newer than the one available in Sarge. |
| 00:25.16 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: or look for backports .. which package is it ? |
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| 00:25.22 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: taskjuggler |
| 00:25.33 | EvilSporkMan | i just found out that planner doesn't actually work |
| 00:25.52 | dregan_ | jim: how can I ensure that it is in fact authatitive |
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| 00:26.12 | EdLin | !tell EvilSporkMan about simple sid backport |
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| 00:26.33 | Frem | how do i dump all the errors from a compile to a text file? make > errors just gives me the compile command. |
| 00:26.40 | ke6isf | !info sylpheed sid |
| 00:26.41 | EvilSporkMan | EdLin: halfway through that now, but build-dep missed a dependency |
| 00:26.46 | dpkg | sylpheed: (Light weight e-mail client with GTK+), section mail, is optional. Version: 2.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 507 kB, Installed size: 1160 kB |
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| 00:27.05 | maher | Frem: use &> |
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| 00:28.21 | jim | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: |
| 00:28.27 | jim | realtek.net.au. 5715 IN NS ns8.zoneedit.com. |
| 00:28.27 | jim | realtek.net.au. 5715 IN NS ns17.zoneedit.com. |
| 00:28.36 | jim | those are your auth dnses |
| 00:28.57 | EvilSporkMan | taskjuggler is a kde package, so the root problem is probably kdelibs...is there anything i can really do about this? |
| 00:29.30 | Frem | http://pastebin.com/381180 <-- dump of my suxpanel compile errors, if anyone wants to help me. |
| 00:29.41 | jim | not sure what you want to do with the internal dns... but the external one, just configure it as a plain ol caching-only server |
| 00:30.10 | Thaiger | abrotman: Rebooted into the new kernel, direct rendering still doesn't work, but I get a different error, [drm:radeon_unlock] *ERROR* Process 1935 using kernel context 0 |
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| 00:30.46 | dregan_ | jim: I did want my own auth dns server, but I gather the entries in zoneedit are overiding my local dns entries |
| 00:31.02 | abrotman | Thaiger: uhm .. that looks bad :) |
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| 00:31.20 | maher | Frem: install either libgtk1.2-dev or libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 00:31.30 | Thaiger | abrotman: Any idea what it means? I couldn't find it in the dri trouble shooting |
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| 00:31.51 | abrotman | Thaiger: that's from dmesg .. not X logs right ? |
| 00:31.58 | Thaiger | abrotman: yes |
| 00:32.10 | abrotman | Thaiger: then the dri.sf.net wouldn't have anything .. that's a kernel error afaict |
| 00:32.37 | jim | dregan_: just a suggestion... but it's -probably- not a good idea to run your own auth dns server... it has to be up 24/7 on the same IP all the time... if you can't do that part, you probably should let the domain provider run the dns |
| 00:32.49 | abrotman | jim: i run my own |
| 00:33.01 | jim | but you have static IPs, right? |
| 00:33.04 | abrotman | oh wait . i'm the domain provider :) |
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| 00:33.09 | dregan_ | jim: It is a static ip and up 24/7 |
| 00:33.21 | jim | well then, you could do it |
| 00:33.46 | abrotman | jjazz: ready for a good off season? |
| 00:33.48 | jim | depending on the traffic you're expecting on the domain, you might need additional bandwidth |
| 00:33.51 | Thaiger | abrotman: Any idea where I would start hunting down a solution |
| 00:33.56 | Tortel | !tell me about win32 codecs |
| 00:33.59 | abrotman | Thaiger: google :) .. |
| 00:34.13 | abrotman | Thaiger: have you ever had dri working on this machine ? |
| 00:34.21 | dregan_ | jim: I am not expecting much traffic - but would increase if necessary |
| 00:34.26 | ke6isf | !tell Tortel -about msg the bot |
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| 00:34.38 | litage | once stable and the stable CD/DVD ISOs are released, is stable ever updated? |
| 00:34.45 | Thaiger | abrotman: No |
| 00:34.47 | abrotman | litage: yes |
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| 00:34.56 | abrotman | litage: notice .. woody has a 3.0r6 |
| 00:35.01 | dregan_ | jim: does my realtek.zone look ok to you? |
| 00:35.10 | Frem | thanks, maher. |
| 00:35.11 | abrotman | Thaiger: so ..it might be .. totally broken ? |
| 00:35.12 | litage | abrotman: so the ISOs are updated too? |
| 00:35.19 | abrotman | litage: on some sites .. yes |
| 00:35.22 | curt | my motherboard has 8-channel audio support but i can't get the sound to work |
| 00:35.23 | jim | dregan_: well it's responding to me, so yeah, it looks fine |
| 00:35.23 | jjazz | abrotman, yes, this should be fun. Sox v. Sox will be good games. So will Yanks v. Sox. |
| 00:35.34 | Tortel | ke6isf: I use the dialog window when its open, but when its not i use !tell |
| 00:35.35 | abrotman | jjazz: i think bosox lose to chisox |
| 00:35.39 | _fatboy | TehProx:/# chmod +s /usr/lib/pt_chown |
| 00:35.39 | _fatboy | chmod: changing permissions of `/usr/lib/pt_chown': Permission denied |
| 00:35.44 | _fatboy | suggestions anyone? |
| 00:35.44 | curt | is there some drivers that might not come on the standard distro |
| 00:35.51 | Thaiger | abrotman: I don't know, I hear the card is supported and seen explanations of how other people did it with the same card |
| 00:36.02 | dregan_ | jim: are you getting responses from realtek.net.au or from zoneedit.com |
| 00:36.10 | abrotman | Thaiger: it should be supported .. but your motherboard might be weird |
| 00:36.15 | ke6isf | _fatboy: You don't have permission to chmod. Get permissions somehow. |
| 00:36.20 | _fatboy | im root |
| 00:36.20 | abrotman | curt: yes |
| 00:36.20 | jim | but here's the thing... you have to tell your provider you want to run the dns :) I'd suggest you run primary and let them do secondary |
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| 00:36.27 | curt | abrotman |
| 00:36.28 | _fatboy | shouldnt that mean i have * permissions? |
| 00:36.32 | curt | nice to see you |
| 00:36.34 | ke6isf | Tortel: And I /msg the bot. You should too. |
| 00:36.37 | litage | abrotman: i'm setting up a debian stable mirror, but the anonftpsync script refuses to exclude oldstable, testing and unstable packages. have you heard of this happening before? |
| 00:36.41 | jjazz | abrotman, it's all about pitching, and ChiSox have it. They're going to be tough to beat, although the Yanks have been a better team than them in the last few months. |
| 00:36.45 | curt | my favorite answers person |
| 00:36.59 | curt | oooo that was a long time ago |
| 00:37.01 | Guerin | litage: yeah, it's known. This is why you're better using apt-proxy |
| 00:37.05 | curt | new machine |
| 00:37.05 | abrotman | jjazz: but chisox have been slumping badly lately |
| 00:37.06 | Guerin | litage: or squid |
| 00:37.15 | dregan_ | jim: ok, I will notify them - they currently have me as a custNo.... but will change to realtek.net.au |
| 00:37.24 | litage | Guerin: how can squid be used to mirror specific releases? |
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| 00:37.29 | abrotman | litage: nope .. i dont' mirror debian .. would apt-proxy be better than you? |
| 00:37.31 | abrotman | err for you |
| 00:37.35 | dregan_ | Jim: thank you |
| 00:37.39 | maher | _fatboy: see what lsattr says - maybe your fs is broken |
| 00:37.54 | curt | do i need something like alsa |
| 00:37.58 | _fatboy | lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on ./proc |
| 00:38.00 | jim | dregan_: welcome... how would you tell them about changes to the domain under the present situation? |
| 00:38.08 | abrotman | curt: you don't need it .. but it's the default in 2.6 |
| 00:38.09 | Thaiger | abrotman: Since the error came from the kernel on the loading of drm, I should be able to try reloading it with modprobe drm, right? |
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| 00:38.14 | Guerin | litage: it can't, it'll just proxy whatever you need the first time you get it. |
| 00:38.15 | jjazz | abrotman, yep. I hope they pick it up, finsih off Boston, then slump again. :) I didn't watch today's game because I know I'm going to watch a bunch of games in the next few weeks. I'm excited. Did the Phillies get in? |
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| 00:38.20 | curt | there is no sound at all - running unstable 2.6 - kde |
| 00:38.26 | curt | pretty basic setup |
| 00:38.28 | jim | ;; QUESTION SECTION: |
| 00:38.28 | jim | ;realtek.net.au. IN SOA |
| 00:38.31 | dregan_ | jim: by phone - they charge a one-of fee of $30 to do it |
| 00:38.34 | abrotman | Thaiger: well .. yes .. but i doubt that's the name of the kernel |
| 00:38.42 | jim | oic |
| 00:38.43 | ke6isf | Reminds me, wonder what the Angels are doing in the playoffs. |
| 00:38.47 | abrotman | curt: i dont' run kde .. might be .. arts running |
| 00:39.01 | curt | arts? |
| 00:39.03 | abrotman | jjazz: no .. houston won today .. but i got my unusable tix today :) |
| 00:39.07 | abrotman | !arts |
| 00:39.07 | dpkg | arts is probably the multimedia framework of KDE, or teh sux, or see "esound". Arts Ruins Teh Sound |
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| 00:39.15 | jim | so my question was: "what is the start-of-authority record for domain realtek.net.au" |
| 00:39.25 | jjazz | ke6isf, losing to NY. |
| 00:39.30 | jim | ;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 00:39.30 | jim | realtek.net.au. 7200 IN SOA ns8.zoneedit.com. soacontact.zoneedit.com. 1115798902 14400 7200 950400 7200 |
| 00:39.39 | abrotman | jjazz: not yet :) |
| 00:39.41 | ke6isf | jjazz: Well, there's still a chance of them making it. |
| 00:39.42 | curt | what are my choices kde - gnome ... |
| 00:39.49 | Tortel | yep |
| 00:39.57 | Tortel | kde and gdm |
| 00:39.58 | abrotman | jjazz: that first game should be damn good .. i expect mussina vs colon ? |
| 00:40.05 | jim | so ns8.zoneedit.com. is the primary dns |
| 00:40.06 | jjazz | abrotman, I was hoping for a one-game playoff. I was going to go to the stadium tomorrow for it. But it would have made me a nervous wreck, so I'm glad it worked this way. |
| 00:40.11 | abrotman | sng: you made bloated and full of shit! |
| 00:40.16 | abrotman | err made me |
| 00:40.16 | curt | how do you talk to me directly i'm using x-chat |
| 00:40.21 | curt | like the curt: |
| 00:40.32 | abrotman | curt: type part of my nick and hit tab |
| 00:40.35 | sng | abrotman: Nah. That was the 30 wings. :P |
| 00:40.38 | jjazz | abrotman, Mussina, yes. |
| 00:40.47 | jim | curt: am I actually doing this directly? |
| 00:41.01 | curt | hell i dont know |
| 00:41.07 | curt | nice to see you too though |
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| 00:41.15 | jim | :) |
| 00:41.18 | abrotman | curt: type abr<tab> |
| 00:41.24 | curt | just don't cuss me out |
| 00:41.32 | abrotman | sng: nah .. i was going to order more :) |
| 00:41.35 | jim | abr<tab>: hiya! |
| 00:41.35 | curt | abrotman, I got that |
| 00:41.39 | abrotman | curt: yay |
| 00:41.45 | sng | Heh. |
| 00:41.59 | curt | abrotman, easier to follow that way |
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| 00:42.09 | abrotman | curt: oh ok |
| 00:42.37 | ke6isf | jjazz: AAMOF, it looks like there's an incredibly good chance of them going again. |
| 00:42.45 | curt | abrotman, kde's printer setup was more straight forward and i was having troubles with that |
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| 00:43.06 | abrotman | jjazz: i'm fully expecting to see chisox and angels in the ALCS |
| 00:43.17 | ke6isf | Cubs are NL, right? |
| 00:43.19 | abrotman | curt: sorry .. i totally dont' use KDE |
| 00:43.21 | abrotman | ke6isf: yes |
| 00:43.36 | curt | abrotman, what are the options |
| 00:43.38 | litage | Guerin: about a month ago i tried to use apt-proxy, but apt-proxy-import refused to work, and the maintainers were unable to help. is there an "official" or "best" way to mirror only certain releases? |
| 00:43.55 | abrotman | curt: i use gnome or blackbox .. but use what you're comfortable with ... |
| 00:44.35 | Guerin | litage: i've only ever used squid and apt-proxy |
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| 00:44.52 | EvilSporkMan | does the simple sid backport procedure recurse well? |
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| 00:45.09 | litage | Guerin: would you mind showing me your apt-proxy config file please? |
| 00:45.14 | jim | recurse to which? |
| 00:45.19 | thecoolestcow | got a problem. my HP laserjet 6L keeps spewing out blank pages every time i start up debian, even before i log in. anyone know whats wrong? |
| 00:45.35 | Guerin | litage: i don't use it any more; I did for a while. |
| 00:46.06 | jim | thecoolestcow: the print server is starting at that point... you might check there |
| 00:46.19 | thecoolestcow | jim: ? check where? |
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| 00:46.28 | jim | how many pages per boot? |
| 00:46.33 | thecoolestcow | infinite |
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| 00:46.47 | jim | so you boot and it pushes pages |
| 00:46.50 | thecoolestcow | yeah |
| 00:47.02 | abrotman | i'd just put them back in |
| 00:47.04 | jim | try removing the print server |
| 00:47.08 | thecoolestcow | how |
| 00:47.20 | thecoolestcow | like, cupsys? |
| 00:47.24 | thecoolestcow | or, like, what |
| 00:47.24 | jim | depends what OS you're runnign I guess |
| 00:47.29 | thecoolestcow | debian.. |
| 00:47.41 | resiak | asg: Can you point me to docs on how to compile a .dat for a fortunes file? |
| 00:47.44 | jim | dpkg -r cupsys? |
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| 00:47.58 | jim | not sure, never ran cups before |
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| 00:48.15 | thecoolestcow | i don't think its cups |
| 00:48.19 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 00:48.19 | dpkg | hmm... qotd32 is <Sarvok> So i've just typed "dpkg-reconfigure kevix's" and it's the same thing : the bash have a line started with ">" and that all ! |
| 00:48.30 | atom-z | The local nameserver is well, crap. How can I install a local DNS server? |
| 00:48.45 | abrotman | apt-get install bind9 ? |
| 00:48.45 | jim | apt-get install bind9 |
| 00:48.53 | abrotman | though .. |
| 00:48.56 | jim | err, but I'm just guessing :) |
| 00:49.04 | abrotman | if the local nameserver is crap .. how will installing a local nameserver help ? |
| 00:49.11 | maher | atom-z: why not use your isps nameserver? |
| 00:49.12 | abrotman | apt-get install crap! |
| 00:49.17 | ke6isf | !info crap sarge |
| 00:49.19 | jim | it won't forward thru the local stuff |
| 00:49.22 | Frem | I have to use ndiswrapper 1.2 with my wifi card, but debian stable only provides version 1.1. Do I have to update to testing to get this newer version, or can I use the newer package with stable? |
| 00:49.28 | ke6isf | ...dpkg sees no crap here. =^^= |
| 00:49.32 | atom-z | well, the local nameserver is down half the time |
| 00:49.37 | atom-z | so If i use my own |
| 00:49.39 | figurated | oje bind9 |
| 00:49.44 | abrotman | Frem: if it works .. why would you mess with it ? |
| 00:49.51 | atom-z | i'm guessing DNS lookups will be fast? |
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| 00:50.02 | candle | anyone ever used bastille? |
| 00:50.04 | Guerin | atom-z: use 4.2.2.1 - 6 |
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| 00:50.07 | jim | if you just install it, then it does the work itself and doesn't involve the isp's dns unless you tell it to forward |
| 00:50.09 | Guerin | !anyone use bastille |
| 00:50.10 | candle | abrotman: used bastille? |
| 00:50.10 | dpkg | No, no one uses bastille, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:50.11 | maher | atom-z: if your isp can't provide you with a functioning nameserver get a new isp... |
| 00:50.18 | ke6isf | atom-z: They'll only be as fast as the resolver can deal with. |
| 00:50.28 | abrotman | candle: nope |
| 00:50.35 | atom-z | maher: at uni |
| 00:50.38 | Frem | abrotman: it *dosen't* work, that's it. It worked in ArchLinux using ndiswrapper 1.2, but I can't get it to work in Debian with ndiswrapper 1.1. |
| 00:50.53 | ke6isf | atom-z: In short, you'll get slightly faster than average lookups, but the effect is generally unnoticeable unless you otherwise have crap nameservers. Which you seem to. |
| 00:51.00 | abrotman | Frem: well then .. i guess you'll have to try it .. |
| 00:51.01 | candle | abrotman: http://www.bastille-linux.org |
| 00:51.20 | Frem | does etch use a newer kernel then sarge? |
| 00:51.25 | abrotman | candle: i'm well aware of what it is |
| 00:51.26 | Guerin | Frem: yes. |
| 00:51.26 | abrotman | Frem: yes |
| 00:51.29 | abrotman | or it can |
| 00:51.30 | resiak | asg: Igcnore that --- found it. Sorry. |
| 00:51.34 | maher | atom-z: surely your uni can keep dns up? can't you just find a "nearby" dns server |
| 00:52.01 | ke6isf | candle: Just ask your question. |
| 00:52.03 | abrotman | atom-z: look for other dns servers on campus .. |
| 00:52.21 | ke6isf | atom-z: Alternatively, you *could* just resolve off of OpenNIC or one of the other alt NICs. |
| 00:52.28 | atom-z | could try I suppose |
| 00:52.33 | atom-z | whats OpenNIC? |
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| 00:52.40 | ke6isf | atom-z: http://www.opennic.unrated.net |
| 00:52.45 | Guerin | !fgi atom-z whats+opennic |
| 00:52.46 | dpkg | atom-z: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=whats+opennic |
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| 00:53.04 | debeast | how do i get the local ip address of my box it assigned via hdcp |
| 00:53.19 | ke6isf | Guerin: You know, I wonder if there's a way to get fgi links piped through tinyurl and returned by the bot. |
| 00:53.21 | atom-z | ifconfig |
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| 00:53.29 | debeast | no args ? |
| 00:53.41 | atom-z | ok. How can I tell DHCP to NOT use local nameservers? |
| 00:53.41 | Guerin | ke6isf: anything's posssible, but what's the point? |
| 00:53.51 | Guerin | atom-z: editc /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 00:54.01 | Guerin | atom-z: or make your resolv.conf +i |
| 00:54.03 | ke6isf | Guerin: Mostly whimsey, I suppose. Meh. |
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| 00:54.13 | litage | Guerin: when initially setting up a repository from the debian DVDs, do you just concatenate DVD2's Packages.gz to DVD1's? |
| 00:54.25 | Guerin | litage: i never have. |
| 00:54.37 | thecoolestcow | jim: word. i restarted after i uninstalled cups, and its not spitting out paper |
| 00:54.38 | litage | Guerin: so apt-proxy did everything for you? |
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| 00:54.50 | Guerin | litage: i doubt that would work; you'd need to ungz them, cat them, and gz them back up |
| 00:54.53 | Azar | hi Guerin, how could we make resolv.conf +i ? |
| 00:54.54 | Guerin | litage: yeah. |
| 00:55.01 | Guerin | Azar: using chattr |
| 00:55.10 | Azar | Guerin, ah, thanks :) |
| 00:55.17 | atom-z | ok, thanks |
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| 00:56.05 | tk401 | hey everyone |
| 00:56.46 | tk401 | i'm running debian right now and I was wondering if someone could help me install a flashplayer for mozilla and a few other things? |
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| 00:57.22 | Guerin | !flash |
| 00:57.23 | dpkg | well, flash is If you want the flashplayer browser plugin, go to http://www.flash.com and follow the instructions there. Or look at the flashplugin-nonfree package, or most flash crap you see is from banner ads, and very little of it actual real and potentially interesting content. get yourself some object blocking/filtering extensions in your favourite browser, or missing fonts? install gsfonts-x11 |
| 00:57.25 | maher | tk401: flashplayer-mozilla <-- install that - you probably need non-free insources |
| 00:57.58 | candle | im running 800x600, but many apps windows are cut-off at bottom so I cant see everything! How can I fix this? |
| 00:58.19 | debeast | ok now i need to load a telnet server on this box anyone have any suggestions i have dselect open right now |
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| 00:58.23 | tk401 | what should i edit in the sources list to enable the non-free repos? |
| 00:58.33 | abrotman | !non-free |
| 00:58.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
| 00:58.44 | jim | candle: move mouse down, try to move it below screen... and see what happens... |
| 00:58.50 | Azar | candle pick 1024X768 as preferred and keep 800X600 as default |
| 00:59.12 | roby | root gets this e-mail once a day: /etc/cron.daily/man-db: mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/btcompletedir.1.gz is a dangling symlink .... what can i do to fix? |
| 00:59.27 | tk401 | ok, so just add non-free to the repos? |
| 00:59.27 | candle | i cant run at 1024X768 , montor is old, doesnt suppport it |
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| 00:59.33 | maher | roby: rm /usr/share/man/man1/btcompletedir.1.gz |
| 00:59.36 | candle | jim: what??? |
| 00:59.39 | EdLin | tk401: and contrib |
| 00:59.42 | Azar | candle, ah.. I see |
| 00:59.43 | Guerin | candle: reconfigure whatever toolkit to use smaller fonts |
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| 00:59.48 | jim | candle: move mouse down, try to move it below screen... and see what happens... |
| 00:59.55 | EdLin | tk401: then apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:59.57 | Guerin | candle: i have this problem, particularly with gnome apps |
| 01:00.11 | tk401 | thanks Edl |
| 01:00.16 | candle | jim: what you mean? |
| 01:00.16 | roby | maher: ok, thanks ... will come back here tm if i see some msg again |
| 01:00.16 | debeast | ssh server which one should i load in dselect ? |
| 01:00.17 | tk401 | err EdLin |
| 01:00.25 | ke6isf | tk401: Add 'contrib non-free', do 'apt-get update', and then install. |
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| 01:00.31 | candle | Guerin: yes me too :( whats the fix? |
| 01:00.37 | Guerin | candle: also using a windowmanager which doesn't waste screen space, such as evilwm |
| 01:00.40 | tk401 | ok, add contrib too, thank you |
| 01:00.54 | ke6isf | tk401: You might as well, since you're adding non-free. |
| 01:01.00 | candle | Guerin: how do I install evilvm? |
| 01:01.08 | tk401 | sounds like a great idea! |
| 01:01.08 | Guerin | candle: you can try running in a virtual resolution, with ctrlalt+ and ctrlalt- |
| 01:01.15 | Guerin | candle: apt-get install evilwm |
| 01:01.20 | tk401 | are there any other repos besides the debian one that would be of interest? |
| 01:01.32 | Guerin | tk401: no |
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| 01:02.03 | tk401 | thank you guerin |
| 01:02.23 | maher | tk401: ask dpkg about marillat |
| 01:03.03 | cleit0n | how i bkp dvd Encrypted |
| 01:03.08 | tk401 | maher: how do i that? |
| 01:04.17 | maher | !tell tk401 about marillat |
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| 01:04.27 | Azar | if I make a new machine with an Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego, would I go too far for Debian? |
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| 01:04.54 | Guerin | Azar: wtf? |
| 01:04.58 | figurated | 2 million people without electricity - why? |
| 01:05.14 | Azar | Guerin, I do not know how Debian handles a 64 at this time |
| 01:05.15 | candle | thats annoying! cant run something due to window tooo big for my screen |
| 01:05.15 | simonrvn | Azar: what? |
| 01:05.24 | simonrvn | !amd64 |
| 01:05.24 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 01:05.26 | candle | Guerin: ctrlalt+ and ctrlalt- didnt work |
| 01:05.32 | Guerin | !amd64 |
| 01:05.35 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:05.37 | simonrvn | candle: keypad +/- |
| 01:05.50 | Azar | thanks guys, so I can wait one more year |
| 01:06.00 | candle | -- keypad +/-? |
| 01:06.12 | ke6isf | candle: The ones on the numeric keypad |
| 01:06.21 | tk401 | !tell tk401 about marillat |
| 01:06.43 | ke6isf | !tell tk401 -about msg the bot |
| 01:07.26 | tk401 | thank you, I appreciate the help |
| 01:07.47 | tk401 | i'm moving from ubuntu to straight debian, and some sources aren't the same unfortunately |
| 01:08.06 | ke6isf | tk401: Naturally, they're not. How are you trying to go about this? |
| 01:08.44 | maher | tk401: do not just change sources from ubuntu to debian - this will definitely not work |
| 01:08.46 | candle | simonrvn: ctr+alt+- on numeric keypad only works making it bigger, not smaller! but I think i got a solution. I moved my taskbar to left of screen |
| 01:09.10 | candle | I dragged and moved my taskbar to left of screen instead and this opened the apps window |
| 01:09.21 | figurated | the staates have in hurrican arreas wood masts to transver energie - they were cracy!!! |
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| 01:09.34 | tk401 | maher: thank you, I have uninstalled ubuntu and now running sarge |
| 01:09.51 | tk401 | I didn't know which repositories to enable in debian to get flash and etc |
| 01:10.16 | tk401 | also, do you know what I need to play mp3s and windows formats? |
| 01:10.32 | ke6isf | tk401: xmms and mplayer |
| 01:10.34 | simonrvn | candle: um, + and -, not just + |
| 01:10.40 | Guerin | tk401: debian can play mp3 normally |
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| 01:10.51 | Guerin | tk401: which windows formats are you on about? |
| 01:11.05 | candle | simonrvn: you mean press ctrl+alt+-++ at same time? |
| 01:11.34 | candle | simonrvn: you mean press ctrl and alt and - and + at same time? |
| 01:11.34 | tk401 | wma, mpeg and so n |
| 01:11.55 | thecoolestcow | are there any other print system things other than cups? |
| 01:11.57 | ke6isf | tk401: mplayer or totem for those. |
| 01:11.59 | EdLin | candle: why don't you try it and see if it works |
| 01:12.15 | Guerin | tk401: mpeg is not a windows format |
| 01:12.21 | simonrvn | candle: no. or |
| 01:12.24 | ke6isf | thecoolestcow: Yeah, lpd |
| 01:12.30 | EdLin | thecoolestcow: lp, lprng |
| 01:12.32 | tk401 | right, thank you Guerin |
| 01:12.38 | Guerin | tk401: mplayer with w32codecs can play most anything - /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 01:12.50 | shimano55 | Question, What is the command to restart apache???? |
| 01:12.51 | tk401 | ke6isf: thank you |
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| 01:12.59 | ke6isf | shimano55: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 01:13.00 | EdLin | thecoolestcow: lpd can be easy to set up if you install and configure apsfilter |
| 01:13.11 | shimano55 | thx |
| 01:13.19 | thecoolestcow | apsfilter? |
| 01:13.20 | thecoolestcow | k |
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| 01:13.55 | EdLin | thecoolestcow: yeah, it allows you to basically print graphics and various files, like CUPS can. |
| 01:14.11 | thecoolestcow | EdLin: then what, from there? man apsfilter or something? |
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| 01:14.33 | cleit0n | quit |
| 01:14.35 | EdLin | thecoolestcow: if you don't know how to read documentation then maybe apsfilter is not for you. |
| 01:14.48 | litage | Guerin: you said that a problem with anonftpsync has been noted in the past. do you know what that exact problem was, or where i might be able to find out about it? |
| 01:14.56 | thecoolestcow | EdLin: uh, i dont even know what apsfilter is, you just told me to install it |
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| 01:15.28 | funkyHat | anyone here used xmove? |
| 01:15.28 | EdLin | thecoolestcow: apt-cache show apsifilter, to find out what it is. |
| 01:15.29 | Guerin | litage: AIUI it's not so much a problem as the fact that the scripts aren't set up to only sync one branch. |
| 01:15.36 | EdLin | apsfilter* |
| 01:16.03 | Guerin | litage: i don't really know much about this - you're better asking debian-user mailing list of perhaps #debian-mentors |
| 01:16.09 | candle | simonrvn: ctr+alt and + or - on numeric keypad only works making it bigger, not smaller! the "-" doesnt make it smaller for some reason |
| 01:16.12 | litage | thanks Guerin |
| 01:16.13 | EdLin | thecoolestcow: also, I didn't tell you to install it, I mentioned it as an alternative. |
| 01:17.11 | simonrvn | candle: depends on your Modes available |
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| 01:19.08 | LinuxGold | do #debian come with kernel 2.6.xx? |
| 01:19.12 | LinuxGold | just a quick yes/no will suffice. |
| 01:19.18 | daniel^_ | yes |
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| 01:19.50 | abrotman | secret .. agent lance ... |
| 01:19.55 | EdLin | LinuxGold: linux26 or expert26 at the prompt during installation, or install it later. |
| 01:19.58 | abrotman | linuxfreck: they can |
| 01:20.10 | ke6isf | LinuxGold: No, #debian doesn't come with a kernel. Debian Linux, however, *does* come with a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 01:20.33 | daniel^_ | Lol |
| 01:20.41 | daniel^_ | what a flameware ke6isf |
| 01:20.45 | EdLin | !lol |
| 01:20.45 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 01:20.51 | candle | simonrvn: well as I said, only goes to 800x600 |
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| 01:20.57 | LinuxGold | lol |
| 01:20.58 | candle | simonrvn: so it wont go higher |
| 01:21.09 | abrotman | ke6isf: debian GNU/Linux |
| 01:21.19 | ke6isf | abrotman: Yes, that tool. |
| 01:21.22 | ke6isf | s/tool/too |
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| 01:21.26 | simonrvn | candle: depends on your Modes available |
| 01:21.39 | abrotman | ke6isf: i am not a tool! |
| 01:21.53 | ke6isf | abrotman: Corrected next line... |
| 01:22.04 | abrotman | i'm not a too! |
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| 01:22.20 | ke6isf | abrotman: Bah! =^_^= |
| 01:22.40 | intmktg | is there a command on the shell to determine the size of an image? I tried the file command but it doesn't give enough details. |
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| 01:22.54 | daniel^_ | ls -h |
| 01:22.56 | abrotman | intmktg: ls ? |
| 01:22.58 | Guerin | intmktg: ls -lh? |
| 01:23.23 | intmktg | I mean, dimension of an image, like 300x300 |
| 01:23.27 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:23.32 | abrotman | intmktg: try not to be so vague |
| 01:23.35 | dondelelcaro | intmktg: identify; in imagemagick will do that. |
| 01:23.40 | daniel^_ | no intmktg |
| 01:23.45 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:23.52 | intmktg | thanks |
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| 01:24.30 | alainm | I have a harddrive that i added to my box.. now how do i add it to fstab.. ? |
| 01:24.40 | Guerin | alainm: man fstab |
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| 01:24.58 | abrotman | man mount ? |
| 01:25.07 | alainm | Guerin, how do i know what hdx it's on? |
| 01:25.11 | Guerin | wow ... my server has been down for hours now, and the host aren't responding to service tickets |
| 01:25.22 | Guerin | alainm: cat /proc/partitions |
| 01:25.36 | candle | abrotman: try woman mount |
| 01:25.52 | Frem | Is there a better man page reader avalable? I've seen ones in other distros that will let you scroll up and down, rather then just hit space to advance the text. |
| 01:25.53 | alainm | is there a GUI to do that? |
| 01:25.54 | Guerin | this is the first time in 2.5 years it's been down for more than about 10 unscheduled minutes, they must really be having problems |
| 01:25.59 | Guerin | alainm: no. |
| 01:26.03 | alainm | blah :( |
| 01:26.09 | Guerin | Frem: install 'less' |
| 01:26.37 | Elly | what's the package name for winedbg? |
| 01:26.57 | curt | abrotman, be right back ~ trying blackbox |
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| 01:27.12 | abrotman | candle: oh shit .. i almost peed my pants laughing! |
| 01:27.18 | ke6isf | Elly: 'apt-file search winedbg' |
| 01:27.34 | Elly | no such thing as apt-file |
| 01:27.40 | abrotman | !installit |
| 01:27.40 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 01:27.41 | Guerin | !installit |
| 01:27.43 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:27.44 | ke6isf | Elly: So, install apt-file. |
| 01:28.14 | Frem | apt-cache search filename |
| 01:28.26 | abrotman | Frem: that doesn't work |
| 01:28.38 | ke6isf | Frem: That's what apt-file is for. |
| 01:28.41 | ke6isf | !apt-file |
| 01:28.41 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo |
| 01:28.52 | Frem | oh. how come it works for me then? |
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| 01:29.08 | Frem | oh,i see. nvm. |
| 01:29.19 | candle | abrotman: :) |
| 01:29.44 | abrotman | candle: oh .. wait . .i lied |
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| 01:30.30 | candle | abrotman: lol |
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| 01:31.31 | shimano55 | Question, What's the command that lets you see how your partitions are layed out? |
| 01:32.05 | ke6isf | shimano55: ...eh? You mean what's mounted to what part, or how each device is partitioned? |
| 01:32.18 | EdLin | shimano55: # fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 01:32.22 | shimano55 | well it shows the device name |
| 01:32.29 | shimano55 | like hda4 |
| 01:32.29 | Frem | EdLin: I almost told him that. |
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| 01:32.34 | shimano55 | hda3 |
| 01:32.34 | shimano55 | etc |
| 01:32.47 | WALoeIII | I need some help troubleshooting a cron issue that spawns when I uninstall mailman |
| 01:33.00 | WALoeIII | I get failure of this command: test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 01:33.04 | WALoeIII | relating to logrotate |
| 01:33.08 | shimano55 | Thanks |
| 01:33.18 | ke6isf | !tell WALoeIII -about enter |
| 01:33.27 | dondelelcaro | WALoeIII: purge mailman to remove its configuration files and the problem should go away. |
| 01:33.44 | WALoeIII | ok dondelelcaro: will I have to re-install it to then purge it though? |
| 01:34.07 | WALoeIII | and ke6isf, please go fuck yourself. |
| 01:34.08 | dondelelcaro | WALoeIII: no. just dpkg --purge mailman; or whatever the package is actually called. |
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| 01:34.33 | dondelelcaro | WALoeIII: and that's not called for either. Overusing enter is very rude. |
| 01:34.34 | WALoeIII | dondelelcaro: got it, thanks |
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| 01:34.47 | ke6isf | !dondelelcaro++ |
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| 01:36.02 | alarmyst | where do i find sources extracted by apt-get source |
| 01:36.36 | dondelelcaro | alarmyst: in pwd. |
| 01:36.38 | curt | alarmyst, try locate |
| 01:37.03 | jim | alarmyst: you mean "how would I determine if a site has source-code packages and what deb-src line would refer to them"? |
| 01:37.09 | be0wulf__ | uh dirvish has a really bad documentation |
| 01:37.17 | alarmyst | ok, found it, thx |
| 01:37.40 | jim | or "So I just got some source... where the heck is it on my system??!" |
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| 01:37.55 | alarmyst | jim: the second one |
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| 01:38.25 | jim | ahh, so you cd to where you want it to go first, then do the apt-get source |
| 01:38.27 | maher | be0wulf__: there is adebian dirvish howto - probably in shipped with dirvish... |
| 01:38.37 | jim | and it will be right there (as you already found out) |
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| 01:38.55 | takahiro | hello |
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| 01:39.17 | takahiro | my hdd crashed and i plugged in a new secondary drive... how do i format the new secondary drive? |
| 01:39.38 | ke6isf | takahiro: fdisk (if you haven't already), then mkfs. |
| 01:39.45 | Shimei | I'm having some problems with make-kpkg and linux-headers-2.6.12-1. I get an error about a rule to make target 'scripts/basic/Makefile" being missing. |
| 01:39.49 | Shimei | Anyone have any idea? |
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| 01:40.12 | Shimei | I'm trying to compile a couple of modules (thinkpad-source, ipw2100) |
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| 01:40.37 | be0wulf__ | is it right that in dirvish there is no possibility of telling what to back up |
| 01:40.51 | jim | you have to be in the kernel source dir when you run the make-kpkg |
| 01:41.00 | be0wulf__ | the only way is to tell what to exculde |
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| 01:41.50 | Shimei | jim: Yeah, I'm running it in /usr/src/linux which is symlinked to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 01:41.51 | takahiro | how do i copy my old hdd to a new, blank hdd (while ignoring disk errors)? |
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| 01:41.57 | jim | if the module you want to build is supported by module-assistant, read the docs for that (guess: the source goes in /usr/src/modules?) |
| 01:42.03 | cio | Hi all. What package does mcopy live in? |
| 01:42.23 | jim | !find mcopy |
| 01:42.24 | takahiro | cp -a /old_mnt /new_mnt ? |
| 01:42.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell cio -about search |
| 01:42.27 | be0wulf__ | in a sixpac |
| 01:42.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mcopy' (1): (/usr/bin/mcopy) in otherosfs/mtools. |
| 01:42.44 | be0wulf__ | uh practical |
| 01:43.02 | cio | Thanks. |
| 01:43.04 | takahiro | can someone help me? |
| 01:43.24 | dondelelcaro | takahiro: first partition it with fdisk or similar, then format with mkfs.ext2 or similar. |
| 01:43.24 | takahiro | how do i copy my dead hard disk drive to a new one? |
| 01:43.24 | jim | takahiro: use tar, do it one partition at a time |
| 01:43.31 | alarmyst | did someone ever compiled xserver-xfree86 with apt-get source xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 01:43.35 | takahiro | jim: i only have 1 partition |
| 01:43.37 | dondelelcaro | alarmyst: yes |
| 01:43.37 | alarmyst | im kinda confused |
| 01:43.39 | maher | be0wulf__: can't you have tree: path1 \ path2? i have never done this myself |
| 01:43.43 | takahiro | jim: well, two including a swap |
| 01:43.44 | dondelelcaro | alarmyst: but why you're doing that is beyond me... |
| 01:43.47 | jim | ok, so you'll only do it once :) |
| 01:44.01 | kdomb | does anyone here have clamav running with exiscan & exim4-daemon-heavy (on stable) &, if so, does it log anything when it processes non-viral msgs? (I have added LogVerbose to clamav.conf) |
| 01:44.02 | takahiro | jim: do what? |
| 01:44.03 | Shimei | jim: Ah, module-assistant handled it nicely. Thanks. |
| 01:44.05 | jim | so you have to mount the destination partition somewhere |
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| 01:44.11 | alarmyst | dondelelcaro: im expect better performance ? isnt that a good reason ? |
| 01:44.15 | takahiro | jim: i mounted the new HDD on /mnt |
| 01:44.15 | alarmyst | im/i |
| 01:44.20 | luisillo | how can i crate a swap partition? |
| 01:44.24 | jim | ok, then do this: |
| 01:44.32 | takahiro | jim: but how do i actually copy all the data? keeping permissions and everything in tact |
| 01:44.33 | dondelelcaro | alarmyst: you almost certainly won't get it, unless you plan to benchmark it extensively. |
| 01:45.00 | jim | (cd / ; tar xfpl - .) | (cd /mnt ; tar xfp -) |
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| 01:45.15 | abrotman | luisillo: fdisk ? swapon ? |
| 01:45.17 | jim | takahiro: do that :) |
| 01:45.34 | jim | there are a few pieces to this meaningwise... |
| 01:45.47 | luisillo | and how to resize the existin lvm?? |
| 01:46.00 | alarmyst | dondelelcaro: hrm... ok, where do i begin ? |
| 01:46.09 | takahiro | jim: nothing happened |
| 01:46.09 | jim | wait, one mistake there |
| 01:46.16 | takahiro | jim: its just stuck |
| 01:46.17 | jim | (cd / ; tar cfpl - .) | (cd /mnt ; tar xfp -) |
| 01:46.25 | alarmyst | i went to that source directory it extracted, no make rules, no configure script... |
| 01:46.31 | cio | Where might I find the debian 3.1 vmlinuz and initrd.gz? I'm trying to make a bootable USB drive to install deb. |
| 01:46.31 | maher | jim: ummm what about cp -a? |
| 01:46.32 | jim | you need the c instead of x on the first tar |
| 01:46.32 | takahiro | jim: should i hit ctrl-c ? |
| 01:46.32 | abrotman | luisillo: read your .. LVM docs ? |
| 01:46.36 | jim | yes |
| 01:46.45 | cio | !find initrd.gz |
| 01:46.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'initrd.gz' (2): (/usr/share/doc/evms/INSTALL.initrd.gz) in admin/evms ;; (/usr/share/doc/lvm2/examples/lvm2create_initrd.gz) in admin/lvm2. |
| 01:47.09 | jim | maher: I've personally never used that for copying an installation |
| 01:47.13 | takahiro | jim: i tried it with c instead of x, and it's still stuck |
| 01:47.17 | jim | it might work |
| 01:47.19 | maher | jim: or rsync... |
| 01:47.22 | takahiro | jim: the cursor is just blinking |
| 01:47.33 | takahiro | jim: there is no progress bar or any files being copied or anything |
| 01:47.39 | jim | ok, let's look at it |
| 01:47.50 | simonrvn | *blink* *blink* *blink* *blink* *blink* *blink* *blink* |
| 01:47.59 | jim | progress?! |
| 01:48.12 | takahiro | how do i know if it's doing anything at all? |
| 01:48.12 | abrotman | simonrvn: something in your eye .. or are you just flirting with jim? |
| 01:48.13 | luisillo | does lvm include some type of swap in its way of workin? |
| 01:48.15 | jim | takahiro: it should be going... there's no progress bar |
| 01:48.22 | takahiro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:48.29 | Muffie | hello all. |
| 01:48.32 | simonrvn | abrotman: that'd be *wink* *wink* *wink* |
| 01:48.36 | takahiro | i don't think it's doing anything |
| 01:48.39 | takahiro | do i need to hit ENTER? |
| 01:48.44 | maher | takahiro: use df in another terminal to see if stuff is ending up on the new drive |
| 01:48.45 | abrotman | simonrvn: i'm not sure how they do it in canada |
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| 01:48.55 | Muffie | Anyone knows which functions (ANSI C), can I use to retrieve the list of files from a Directory? Maybe using wildcards... |
| 01:48.56 | simonrvn | abrotman: you just found out ;) |
| 01:48.57 | jim | you mean at the end of the line? |
| 01:49.02 | takahiro | i cant do a new terminal |
| 01:49.07 | takahiro | im running linux off the rescue CD |
| 01:49.17 | takahiro | alt-F2 doesnt do anything |
| 01:49.18 | nog | I have a few questions on installing on a sparc processor |
| 01:49.19 | maher | takahiro: try ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 01:49.26 | jim | ohh, then where is your old drive? |
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| 01:49.41 | jim | there's a rescue cd?! |
| 01:49.52 | takahiro | my old drive is mounted on /mnt_old |
| 01:49.56 | jim | ohh... |
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| 01:50.01 | jim | in THAT case... |
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| 01:50.09 | jim | hit ctrl-c again |
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| 01:50.10 | takahiro | im confused |
| 01:50.12 | takahiro | can i reboot? |
| 01:50.19 | takahiro | im totally lost right now |
| 01:50.24 | jim | you can, but it's not going to help |
| 01:50.33 | takahiro | is there a program like norton ghost for linux? |
| 01:50.33 | maher | takahiro: don't reboot - ctrl-c |
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| 01:50.47 | takahiro | sector-by-sector copy |
| 01:51.02 | jim | (cd /mnt_old ; tar cfpl - .) | (cd /mnt ; tar xfp -) |
| 01:51.14 | takahiro | i don't get it |
| 01:51.19 | jim | is it the exact same sized drive? |
| 01:51.46 | maher | takahiro: does the old drive actually work? |
| 01:51.47 | takahiro | no |
| 01:51.51 | jim | you have them mounted... so I'm assuming you want to copy the -files- |
| 01:51.59 | takahiro | yes the old drive works kind of |
| 01:52.07 | takahiro | there are a lot of errors |
| 01:52.14 | takahiro | disk read write I/O errors |
| 01:52.26 | jim | hmm, that don't sound too hot |
| 01:52.28 | takahiro | i want to copy everything in /dev |
| 01:52.35 | takahiro | and everything else |
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| 01:52.54 | maher | takahiro: its probably best to do a fresh install rather than copy a bunch of corrupt files over... |
| 01:53.12 | nog | i guess no one kas any info on the sparc install? |
| 01:53.14 | jim | I'd tend to agree with that |
| 01:53.17 | maher | takahiro: try and get /etc, /home and /var off onto the new drive while you can... |
| 01:53.19 | takahiro | maher: i want to copy everything, and run a debian file verification program that will repair any corrupt files |
| 01:53.34 | takahiro | maher: before i format the new drive, or after? |
| 01:53.35 | astronut | what's a screenshot prog (besides the gimp) |
| 01:53.37 | mwilson | What "Debian file verification rogram"? |
| 01:53.43 | mwilson | astronut: xv |
| 01:53.58 | jim | is there a debian file verification program? |
| 01:54.02 | takahiro | mwilson: like in windows, i can re-run the installer CD and it will scan the C:\WINDOWS directory for any files that don't match the default installed files |
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| 01:54.10 | maher | takahiro: have you formatted the new drive? |
| 01:54.17 | mwilson | takahiro: Except that it won't. |
| 01:54.19 | takahiro | maher: yes, many times |
| 01:54.25 | takahiro | maher: should i format it again? |
| 01:54.29 | mwilson | takahiro: I don't know where you got the idea that it did. |
| 01:54.29 | maher | takahiro: no |
| 01:54.31 | Muffie | My clock is always being desynchronized at startup. What can I do? |
| 01:54.32 | jim | not llf tho, right? |
| 01:54.50 | takahiro | maher: i don't remember all the packages i installed on the debian machine |
| 01:54.51 | jim | Muffie: are you connected to the internet most of the time? |
| 01:54.53 | alarmyst | dondelelcaro: am i dumb to compile xfree ? |
| 01:54.57 | maher | takahiro: do a fresh install onto the new drive, then try and rescue stuff off the old drive |
| 01:54.58 | takahiro | i don't want to have to select all the packages all over again |
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| 01:55.12 | EdLin | Muffie: apt-get install ntp-simple |
| 01:55.12 | takahiro | if i do a fresh install, i have to spend hours finding the packages from websites, downloading them, etc etc. etc. |
| 01:55.13 | alarmyst | seriously |
| 01:55.24 | takahiro | hours or maybe days re-building the entire system |
| 01:55.28 | jim | alarmyst: not if you want to play with xfree compiles |
| 01:55.36 | takahiro | it's going to take forever |
| 01:55.37 | mwilson | takahiro: How do you figure? How many unofficial packages can you possibly have installed? |
| 01:55.37 | maher | takahiro: if you can get /var/lib/dpkg/status off the old hd that contains a list fo what you had |
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| 01:55.42 | Frem | I installed samba, but I don't seem to have smbmount. What package is that in? |
| 01:55.43 | alarmyst | jim: if i only expect better performance ? |
| 01:55.45 | EdLin | alarmyst: yes, you are dumb. ;-) |
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| 01:55.53 | takahiro | maher: ok let me try to get that file |
| 01:56.04 | mwilson | Frem: In smbfs |
| 01:56.12 | jim | EdLin: I think he wants a second opinion... |
| 01:56.19 | maher | takahiro: if it doesn't work look in /var/backups |
| 01:56.22 | alarmyst | yes :P |
| 01:56.28 | takahiro | the status file is 364k bytes |
| 01:56.29 | takahiro | it's huge |
| 01:56.40 | dondelelcaro | alarmyst: there's almost no point to it at all, unless you plan on benchmarking it extensively and compiling it multiple times. |
| 01:56.46 | mwilson | alarmyst: Nothing you can do to X will speed it up enough to be worth the effort of breaking it. |
| 01:56.53 | takahiro | can i just run "dpkg -l" on the old box? |
| 01:56.55 | maher | takahiro: that looks good |
| 01:56.59 | EdLin | jim: second opinions are for doctors, and I don't have enough patience to be a doctor. ;-) |
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| 01:57.18 | dondelelcaro | alarmyst: and even then, it's doubtfull that you will find a measurable speed increase, let alone a perceptible one. |
| 01:57.25 | lya | hi |
| 01:57.28 | takahiro | is there a better way to recover the disk? |
| 01:57.34 | maher | takahiro: yes or better chroot in and run dpkg --list-selections > /some/useful/file/on/new/drive |
| 01:57.45 | alarmyst | ok, you convinced me, im abandoning this |
| 01:57.48 | takahiro | this is the 5th time i've had to replace the HDD on this debian box, and im getting tired of re-installing EVERYTHING just to get it onto a new system |
| 01:57.51 | alarmyst | thx a lot |
| 01:57.58 | maher | takahiro: sorry --get-selections |
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| 01:58.18 | mwilson | takahiro: If you've had to replace a HD five times, I'd think you |
| 01:58.19 | maher | takahiro: what are you doing to your hds? |
| 01:58.30 | mwilson | takahiro: If you've had to replace a HD five times, I'd think you would be looking more to your hardware. |
| 01:58.35 | maher | takahiro: maybe you should make backups |
| 01:58.39 | jim | alarmyst: I mean, you can try it... but remember that you also need the client libs and all that stuff... and the clients need to be compatible with those libs OR you have to also rebuild the clients... |
| 01:58.48 | Frem | alarmyst: if you want to see a really stripped down X server, check out http://damnsmalllinux.org - the server on that livedisk only takes up 4mb ram! |
| 01:58.58 | takahiro | maher: there's no point in a backup, if i have to reinstall everything anyways |
| 01:58.59 | EdLin | takahiro: I think you should stop getting hard drives from dumpsters |
| 01:59.07 | takahiro | EdLin: but they are cheap |
| 01:59.16 | jim | and if you're like most X users, your clients are very many :) |
| 01:59.19 | maher | takahiro: no - you just rsync the backup back, assuming you made a sensible backup |
| 01:59.22 | takahiro | EdLin: i buy a lot of used HDD from e-bay but they usually die within 2 or 3 weeks |
| 01:59.23 | tk401 | good night everyone, and thanks for the help |
| 01:59.25 | EdLin | takahiro: decent hard drives are cheap too |
| 01:59.39 | takahiro | i got an 80 gig drive for only $5 |
| 01:59.42 | maher | takahiro: does the phrase 'false economy' mean anything to you? |
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| 01:59.58 | alarmyst | jim: if it makes no difference, on responsiveness, its not worth it for me |
| 01:59.58 | jim | takahiro: and lasted as many hours? :) |
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| 02:00.06 | takahiro | lasted about a week |
| 02:00.14 | takahiro | actually when i got it, it was almost dead already |
| 02:00.16 | jim | ahh, dollar per day :) |
| 02:00.23 | alarmyst | ill just keep the preemptible kernel option |
| 02:00.26 | ke6isf | takahiro: If you got a hard disk for $5, the only thing in it that's worth it are the head control magnets. |
| 02:00.27 | curt | maher, how does one make a good backup |
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| 02:00.44 | EdLin | !pal takahiro |
| 02:00.53 | maher | curt: i use dirvish |
| 02:01.07 | jim | if you really want to do backups (and if you care about your time and your users, you DO), you need a plan |
| 02:01.09 | takahiro | i've spent over $600 in used HDD from ebay this year, because they die so quickly |
| 02:01.10 | maher | takahiro: why not buy a single new 80g drive for $50? |
| 02:01.39 | EdLin | takahiro: put down that crackpipe. |
| 02:01.51 | takahiro | can someone just help me? |
| 02:01.59 | maher | takahiro: you realise you could have bought over 1T of new disk space for that amount? |
| 02:02.02 | jim | takahiro: doesnt' that tell you something? :) you could get a new scsi drive, a BIG one, for that price |
| 02:02.21 | takahiro | i want to get the data off my old drive and onto a new drive |
| 02:02.23 | jim | and scsi is da shit too :) |
| 02:03.03 | takahiro | will scsci work on my pentium 90Mhz? |
| 02:03.04 | nog | Fast Data Access MMU Miss |
| 02:03.04 | maher | takahiro: try cp -a /olddrive/* /newdrive |
| 02:03.15 | nog | anyone seen that before? |
| 02:03.19 | takahiro | maher: will that preserve all the permissions and recreate the necessary structures in /dev |
| 02:03.30 | jim | takahiro: seriously tho, you can also keep going with buying used drives if you want to... but you'll be much happier if you have and run a backup plan if you're going to do that |
| 02:03.39 | jim | and even if you get a new drive |
| 02:03.40 | EdLin | takahiro: sure, I recall SCSI drives for 386-16s |
| 02:03.44 | takahiro | ok |
| 02:03.50 | takahiro | so i will get a new drive |
| 02:03.52 | maher | takahiro: yes |
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| 02:03.55 | takahiro | but right now, can i just copy my old files? |
| 02:04.01 | takahiro | what should i do? |
| 02:04.03 | jim | sure... |
| 02:04.11 | jim | where is your old drive mounted? |
| 02:04.42 | jim | on /mnt? |
| 02:04.44 | takahiro | jim: my old drive is on my desk |
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| 02:04.51 | takahiro | jim: and my new drive is on my desk |
| 02:05.03 | jim | ok, are they running? :P |
| 02:05.07 | takahiro | jim: and i have a pentium 90 with a cable with two IDE cables |
| 02:05.08 | ke6isf | takahiro: You mean your new drive that's going to die soon? |
| 02:05.20 | takahiro | jim: and i have a debian 3.1 installer CD |
| 02:05.26 | takahiro | jim: what should I do? |
| 02:05.30 | jim | hmm |
| 02:05.38 | takahiro | jim: boot the CD? boot the old dying drive? boot the new drive? |
| 02:05.41 | maher | takahiro: are both drives mounted and are you booted to the rescue cd? |
| 02:05.47 | jim | you have a fair amount of choices |
| 02:05.49 | takahiro | maher: the computer is off right now |
| 02:05.54 | ke6isf | takahiro: For all that money you've spent, you could have replaced that P90 of yours with something faster! What is your major malfunction?! |
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| 02:06.25 | jim | he wants to experiment... |
| 02:06.29 | takahiro | ke6isf: a P90 is already more power than i can handle |
| 02:06.31 | jim | like most hams do :P |
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| 02:06.33 | EdLin | ke6isf: he has magnetomania |
| 02:06.50 | takahiro | jim: what should I do? |
| 02:07.01 | jim | you can try copying everything on the drive |
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| 02:07.18 | takahiro | jim: assuming that some of the important operating system files on the old drive are damaged |
| 02:07.24 | jim | you can try installing onto the new drive and copying only some stuff |
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| 02:07.40 | takahiro | jim: so do a clean debian install onto the new HDD? |
| 02:07.43 | jim | takahiro: under that assumption, I'd reinstall |
| 02:07.49 | takahiro | ok |
| 02:07.55 | curt | takahiro, do like i do and just reinstall everything from scratch |
| 02:08.11 | takahiro | so plug in both the old drive and new drive into the PC? |
| 02:08.32 | jim | and if I were planning on getting a new drive later, I might even reinstall on that... but I'd also have a separate partition for /home which I would NOT erase when next I install |
| 02:08.34 | takahiro | and boot off the linux CD-ROM right? |
| 02:08.44 | curt | takahiro, throw your old drive away unless you have some personal files on it |
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| 02:08.59 | takahiro | curt: but i need the files on it |
| 02:09.06 | takahiro | curt: i need to copy the old files onto the new drive |
| 02:09.13 | takahiro | curt: at least the files in /etc and /home and /var |
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| 02:09.30 | takahiro | what should I do? |
| 02:09.32 | jim | maybe you don't need some of those, at least not immediately |
| 02:09.44 | jvframework | hello.... i wanna get Debian 3.1, from i386, but have much iso files to download |
| 02:09.51 | takahiro | aaaaahhhhh |
| 02:09.54 | liable | takahiro: i would have thought if you have had so many drives die on you recently, you might have learned how to make this as painless as possible... |
| 02:09.56 | curt | takahiro, my question is why, if they are just OS files anyway. get your personal stuff off and go from scratch |
| 02:09.57 | jim | jvframework: zero |
| 02:09.58 | jim | :) |
| 02:10.21 | EdLin | jvframework: you only need the first one, or netinst |
| 02:10.26 | EdLin | !d-i jvframework |
| 02:10.27 | dpkg | jvframework, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:10.29 | takahiro | curt: how do i get my personal stuff off the drive? |
| 02:10.32 | jim | or a few floppies |
| 02:10.46 | jim | where is your personal stuff stored? in /home? |
| 02:10.52 | takahiro | curt: do i put them onto the new drive? and if so, then how do i format the new drive and install debian on it? won't that delete the files that i had on the new drive? |
| 02:10.54 | curt | takahiro, i must haev jumped on to late |
| 02:10.59 | takahiro | jim: in /home and /var and /etc |
| 02:11.05 | liable | takahiro: install on the new one, then mount the old one, then copy over, its not rocket science.. |
| 02:11.07 | curt | takahiro, why can't you just copy them over |
| 02:11.20 | takahiro | jim: i can get the files, but the problem is, where do i put them? onto the new drive? won't installing debian onto the new drive erase everything? |
| 02:11.27 | jim | takahiro: do the install first, then copy the /home stuff across AFTER creating the user |
| 02:11.40 | takahiro | curt: i can copy them, but if i do, they will all get erased when i mkfs the new drive while i install debian |
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| 02:11.46 | curt | eureka |
| 02:11.48 | jim | as far as /etc and /var, hold off... |
| 02:12.03 | takahiro | im confused |
| 02:12.09 | takahiro | i have to do the install first, but copy the files first? |
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| 02:12.20 | jim | it's a blank drive right now, |
| 02:12.21 | jim | yes? |
| 02:12.22 | takahiro | should i create three partitions on the new drive? |
| 02:12.30 | takahiro | yes, the new one is blank |
| 02:12.36 | jim | yes, swap, / and /home |
| 02:12.42 | takahiro | what about /var and /etc |
| 02:13.00 | unique311 | what command do i input to find out what type of video card i'm using? |
| 02:13.09 | EdLin | takahiro: you don't need an /etc parition. /var mainly if you run a server. |
| 02:13.13 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.18 | jim | is this for a -server-? |
| 02:13.18 | unique311 | i think i broke debian |
| 02:13.30 | liable | unique311: lspci |
| 02:13.35 | takahiro | jim: huh??? |
| 02:13.38 | EdLin | a server using used hard drives that last a week?! |
| 02:13.41 | takahiro | jim: before doing anything, i just want to copy the files |
| 02:13.46 | unique311 | thanks liable |
| 02:13.48 | nog | unique311, dont worry, a few years back i broke the internet |
| 02:13.50 | nog | it sucked |
| 02:13.56 | takahiro | jim: is there a way to put the files somewhere reliable beforei start worrying about where to install it? |
| 02:14.00 | jim | takahiro: you don't have a system to copy to yet |
| 02:14.12 | takahiro | jim: i just want to stop having to use the old HDD because every time i read from it, it gets worse |
| 02:14.20 | takahiro | jim: every time i boot from it, i see more and more errors |
| 02:14.30 | takahiro | jim: and every time i mount it and try to copy files, its worse than the last time i did |
| 02:14.31 | jim | ok, disconnect the power on the old drive for now |
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| 02:14.56 | jim | the install won't take that long :) |
| 02:15.09 | takahiro | jim: what do i do first, though? |
| 02:15.17 | takahiro | jim: i don't understand what the #1 step is |
| 02:15.22 | takahiro | jim: do i copy the files first? |
| 02:15.25 | jim | and as part of the install process you have to reboot anyway |
| 02:15.39 | takahiro | ok so i need to reboot first? |
| 02:15.47 | jim | I'd say do it in this order: |
| 02:15.56 | jim | (1) make sure machine is off |
| 02:15.56 | takahiro | #1 plug in the hard drives |
| 02:16.06 | jim | (2) disconnect the old drive |
| 02:17.14 | takahiro | ok |
| 02:17.32 | jim | (3) install onto new drive |
| 02:17.50 | takahiro | when i do install, just do minimal? |
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| 02:18.10 | takahiro | dselect takes a long time |
| 02:18.48 | EdLin | takahiro: Sarge doesn't use dselect. Was your installation woody? |
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| 02:19.05 | takahiro | no hamm |
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| 02:19.15 | jim | phone call... |
| 02:19.26 | EdLin | takahiro: what are you trying to do, open a museum? |
| 02:19.31 | takahiro | museum? |
| 02:19.48 | takahiro | it says on this CD that hamm is stable |
| 02:19.52 | takahiro | potato is unstable |
| 02:20.03 | gsx22 | I have a computer set up as a router with iptables... im trying to get my port 80 to forward to another pc on the network...but when i try to view it from the network, it is forwarding to the routing computer |
| 02:20.06 | EdLin | takahiro: that was the case over 5 years ago. |
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| 02:20.15 | takahiro | yeah it's an old CD |
| 02:20.21 | takahiro | i haven't had time to upgrade |
| 02:20.30 | nog | well now is the perfect time to upgrade |
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| 02:20.34 | EdLin | takahiro: you won't be able to apt-get anything using that CD |
| 02:20.40 | EdLin | !d-i takahiro |
| 02:20.40 | dpkg | takahiro, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:20.59 | takahiro | well let me first install everything and get everything in order |
| 02:21.06 | takahiro | before i start wasting time with upgrading |
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| 02:21.13 | EdLin | takahiro: you'll have to reinstall again anyway. |
| 02:21.30 | takahiro | man |
| 02:21.36 | takahiro | this sucks :-( |
| 02:21.52 | takahiro | why do IDE hard drives have to die every 15 years |
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| 02:22.07 | be0wulf__ | you are lucky |
| 02:22.09 | takahiro | i want a drive that will last 3000 years |
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| 02:22.21 | be0wulf__ | if they last 15 years |
| 02:22.30 | jim | spensive!! |
| 02:22.40 | takahiro | that's why i buy used ones |
| 02:22.43 | EdLin | be0wulf__: he says his hard drives have lasted a couple of weeks sometimes, he gets used ones. |
| 02:22.50 | takahiro | because new ones don't last long |
| 02:22.54 | nog | takahiro, whats the specs of the system you are running these used hdds on? |
| 02:22.58 | EdLin | yeah, $600 worth |
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| 02:23.28 | smacnay | is there a front-end to the various tex/latex styles installed on a system? |
| 02:23.31 | unique311 | my keyboard is not functioning properly, its a internet access keyboard made by micro innovations. I'm not worried about the internet and music playback buttons, but my symbols don't work. Such as the percent, nmber, and star, the only 2 that work is the number five and 6. i tried to configure it viar xorgconf, but my keyboard was not listed. i just did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and that didn't work also. Can anyone help me wit |
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| 02:24.00 | takahiro | what should i select during installation in terms of kernel drivers and network configuration settings and all that stuff that i don't remember how i setup??? |
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| 02:24.14 | takahiro | can i recover all of this information from the old HDD? |
| 02:24.15 | groom | sktos |
| 02:24.17 | EdLin | takahiro: for one thing you don't want to install hamm |
| 02:24.29 | EdLin | takahiro: you're wasting your time |
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| 02:24.52 | takahiro | argh |
| 02:24.55 | takahiro | <-- stressed out |
| 02:24.57 | takahiro | : ( |
| 02:24.59 | debeast_ | what do i have to configure to get dropbear working ??? |
| 02:25.04 | gsx22 | I have a computer set up as a router with iptables... im trying to get my port 80 to forward to another pc on the network...but when i try to view it from the network, it is forwarding to the routing computer |
| 02:25.09 | liable | takahiro: ffs, you have been given a lot of advise, why dont you actually listen to it, and go fix the thing.. |
| 02:25.36 | stu_ | hey guys im a newbie .. and im trying to install thr .rpm for JDK on a version of knoppix that i have on an HD install |
| 02:25.49 | be0wulf__ | well u can define the address it's supposed to forward port 80 to |
| 02:25.51 | nog | takahiro, seriously, the first thing you should do is download the latest version of debian.. dont think of it as upgrading |
| 02:25.55 | EdLin | !tell stu_ about knoppix |
| 02:25.57 | takahiro | ok |
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| 02:26.02 | nog | takahiro, because you are doing a new install on this system anyway |
| 02:26.04 | takahiro | im going to download a WOODY cd-rom |
| 02:26.07 | takahiro | is that ok? |
| 02:26.19 | smacnay | takahiro: yes or Sarge would be better. |
| 02:26.23 | liable | *plonk* |
| 02:26.27 | unique311 | my keyboard is not functioning properly, its a internet access keyboard made by micro innovations. I'm not worried about the internet and music playback buttons, but my symbols don't work. Such as the percent, nmber, and star, the only 2 that work is the number five and 6. i tried to configure it viar xorgconf, but my keyboard was not listed. i just did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and that didn't work also. Can anyone help me wit |
| 02:26.28 | gsx22 | nog: I did |
| 02:26.33 | EdLin | takahiro: woody is oldstable, sarge is stable |
| 02:26.44 | gsx22 | nog: Im trying to get my domain name to forward to a certain IP |
| 02:26.49 | debeast_ | trying to run dropbear as an ssh server used dselect installed it brebooted but unbale to login what else needs to be setup |
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| 02:27.18 | EdLin | takahiro: woody will be supported only 9 months after sarge's release, you really should get sarge unless you have a good reason not to. |
| 02:27.26 | stu_ | what about knoppix? |
| 02:27.32 | takahiro | can i upgrade from woody to sarge pretty easily? |
| 02:27.34 | xeroso | how i can install a tar.gz file? |
| 02:27.39 | dondelelcaro | takahiro: yes. |
| 02:27.44 | EdLin | stu_: knoppix isn't Debian. /j #knoppix |
| 02:27.48 | dondelelcaro | xeroso: you untar it; tar zxf foo.tar.gz |
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| 02:27.58 | stu_ | thanx |
| 02:28.12 | unique311 | my keyboard is not functioning properly, its a internet access keyboard made by micro innovations. I'm not worried about the internet and music playback buttons, but my symbols don't work. Such as the percent, nmber, and star, the only 2 that work is the number five and 6. i tried to configure it viar xorgconf, but my keyboard was not listed. i just did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and that didn't work also. Can anyone help me wit |
| 02:28.12 | Catberta | Hi guys, I'm trying to install Debian 3.1 on my laptop.. It's not reconizing the partition.. How do I tell it to look in /dev/sda? |
| 02:28.36 | gsx22 | be0wulf I ment |
| 02:28.43 | debeast_ | unique311 did you bye it at walmart ?? |
| 02:28.44 | EdLin | Catberta: your laptop has a SCSI hard drive? |
| 02:28.53 | gatoradges | Edlin: more like SATA |
| 02:28.53 | be0wulf__ | wanna do sth like that... |
| 02:28.56 | be0wulf__ | # /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 4662 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.2.132:4662 |
| 02:29.01 | be0wulf__ | # /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 4662 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.2.132:4662 |
| 02:29.05 | Catberta | Edlin: No, but both Slackware and Fedora tell me it's in /dev/sda |
| 02:29.07 | EdLin | gatoradges: oh, forgot about that. |
| 02:29.10 | unique311 | i don't know where it was purchased |
| 02:29.13 | Catberta | Edlin: /dev/hda leads to my dvd-rom |
| 02:29.18 | EdLin | Catberta: nm, maybe you have SATA |
| 02:29.29 | unique311 | debeast: i don't know where it was purchase man. |
| 02:29.38 | debeast_ | hmm |
| 02:29.41 | be0wulf__ | just take port 80 and it will do |
| 02:29.44 | unique311 | but the humber pad is working |
| 02:29.52 | nog | after being in here a bit, i realize my problem is well over what most are in here.. |
| 02:30.03 | unique311 | but the numbers with the symbols above them is not, except for the 5 and 6 |
| 02:30.15 | Catberta | Edlin: How do I tell it to look in /dev/sda for the partitions? I've never installed Debian, just Slackware |
| 02:30.15 | nog | has anyone dealt with a "Sun Fire 280r" and trying to install debian? or linux in general |
| 02:30.18 | debeast_ | nog |
| 02:30.21 | EdLin | nog: there's a debian sparc channel |
| 02:31.02 | unique311 | debeast: i'm screwed on fixing that issue if its a walmart keyboard? |
| 02:31.03 | nog | whats the channel? |
| 02:31.27 | debeast_ | no thats where i got mine i havent had any issues with it |
| 02:31.55 | debeast_ | if its the black mi model with the calc mail play volume etc buttons |
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| 02:32.07 | gsx22 | i have down iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $WAN -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.101 | iptables -A FORWARD --destination 192.168.0.101 -p tcp 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 02:32.15 | unique311 | not the same model |
| 02:32.21 | Catberta | How can I tell the Debian install to look in /dev/sda instead of /dev/hda so I can install? |
| 02:32.29 | debeast_ | diffrent color |
| 02:32.38 | gatoradges | Catberta: fstabs? |
| 02:32.38 | unique311 | i have a white model, and the interent buttons are located in a blue area at the top |
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| 02:32.42 | unique311 | yeah |
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| 02:33.04 | debeast_ | same keyboard diffrent case havent had any issues are you using the usb or ps2 |
| 02:33.07 | gsx22 | be0wulf: with that everyone outside the network can see it but in the network it routes the domainname to the routing comp |
| 02:33.11 | liable | Catberta: maybe your controller isnt supported by the sarge kernel? are you using the 2.6 install kernel? |
| 02:33.21 | Catberta | 2.4 |
| 02:33.26 | liable | try 2.6 |
| 02:33.32 | EdLin | Catberta: that's your problem |
| 02:33.45 | unique311 | debeast: my model http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.staples.com/images/products/catalog/products/S0060104_std.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ishopwiz.com/4/4-0783.html&h=200&w=200&sz=9&tbnid=DtluDQ5SU_EJ:&tbnh=99&tbnw=99&hl=en&ei=aZhAQ6PnN5TUaanj8YkH&sig2=euhAZdrfxntk9iMOdG--vA&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmicro%2Binnovations%2Bkeyboards%26svnum%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26c2coff%3D1%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US: |
| 02:33.54 | jjazz | I've tagged a bunch of messages in mutt. I want to move them to another mailbox, but when I press s, it only moves one message. I've googled and read the manual, but I'm obviously missing something here. Does anybody know how to act on those tagged messages all at once to move them to another mailbox? Thanks. |
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| 02:34.00 | Catberta | Thanks, trying the 2.6 kernal now |
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| 02:34.06 | unique311 | using the ps2 port |
| 02:34.11 | be0wulf__ | gsx22 echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/forwarding |
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| 02:34.55 | unique311 | yeah, maybe i should've tried the usb before asking for help |
| 02:34.58 | Catberta | liable: After I use linux26 and choose my language, it goes to a blue screen with a white stripe on the bottom with nothing else |
| 02:35.17 | EdLin | unique311: I use a USB keyboard |
| 02:35.35 | debeast_ | not the same model a little bit diffrent |
| 02:35.45 | unique311 | yeah |
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| 02:35.52 | EdLin | unique311: I just select PC104, or whatever it is that maps to a standard keyboard with a windows key. |
| 02:35.54 | unique311 | but i'm goign to try the usb |
| 02:36.06 | liable | Catberta: eww. what is thia laptop anyway? you might have to try an etch installer.. |
| 02:36.21 | Catberta | liable: Fujitsu N3510 |
| 02:36.26 | unique311 | i picked pc104 also |
| 02:36.34 | debeast_ | sounds like you may have some of the key macros a little foosed |
| 02:36.56 | Catberta | liable: After I choose United States it goes into that screen |
| 02:37.14 | debeast_ | damnit i cant get the dropbar server running on this box |
| 02:37.32 | jim | well, my opinion is usa > usb! |
| 02:37.44 | debeast_ | funny jim |
| 02:37.46 | unique311 | might be |
| 02:37.55 | unique311 | i did open it up to clean it |
| 02:38.03 | unique311 | i'mma check that |
| 02:38.11 | unique311 | and then get back at ya. |
| 02:38.15 | debeast_ | k |
| 02:38.29 | debeast_ | err dropbear |
| 02:38.53 | liable | Catberta: have you googled or tried tuxmobil to see if its able to run linux? |
| 02:39.34 | Catberta | liable: Slackware and Fedora pick up the drive, although this is Debian and not either of those -- Also, I've read people that have Linux working fine on it |
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| 02:39.53 | curt | are there kernel-headers for this = linux-image-2.6.12-1-386 |
| 02:40.07 | liable | Catberta: ok, what kernel was in those distro's? |
| 02:40.31 | Catberta | liable 2.4.13 for slackware 10.2 |
| 02:40.41 | Catberta | liable 2.4.31 |
| 02:41.03 | liable | hrm.. |
| 02:41.44 | curt | all I can find is this = Package linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386 is not available, but is referred to by anoth er package. |
| 02:41.49 | takahiro | ok i installed debian 3.0 woody onto my new HDD... i am shutting down, plugging in my old drive, and starting up again |
| 02:42.05 | curt | takahiro, that was quick... |
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| 02:42.16 | takahiro | yup i didn't instally any extra packages |
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| 02:45.08 | ilpavox | anyone know of a tool for manipulating disk images? |
| 02:45.29 | EdLin | ilpavox: dd |
| 02:45.39 | ilpavox | dd? |
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| 02:45.51 | EdLin | ilpavox: man dd |
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| 02:46.10 | tvn | Catberta: did you try the default kernel (just press enter instead of linux26 )? |
| 02:46.40 | Catberta | tvn: Yes, and doesn't show any drives that it can be installed on, although the installation works fine up until that |
| 02:46.41 | nog | ilpavox: you can mount images, and read/write to them |
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| 02:47.30 | jimmy_ | does anyone know how to startx using a different XF86Config file? like "startx /etc/X11/XF86Config.alt" |
| 02:47.35 | ilpavox | nog: cool.. know of a good gui for it? |
| 02:47.39 | tvn | Catberta: hm ... that's bad |
| 02:47.43 | nog | uh |
| 02:47.49 | takahiro | i get an error mount -t ext2fs /dev/hdd2 /mnt.... it says "fs type ext2fs not supported by kernel" |
| 02:48.01 | nog | ilpavox: there is absolutely no reason to need a gui |
| 02:48.08 | curt | what is the safest way to install a downloaded .deb? |
| 02:48.17 | nog | dpkg? |
| 02:48.17 | Catberta | tvn: Yup, Slackware works fine, but I wanted to try Debian for apt-get |
| 02:48.22 | EdLin | takahiro: ext2 |
| 02:48.33 | curt | I found the header files ion the debian website that are missing from unstable and testing |
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| 02:48.49 | ilpavox | nog: yes, there is.. i'm lazy.. reading hurts |
| 02:48.55 | curt | like dpkg -i or is there an apt way to install it |
| 02:49.05 | nog | ilpavox: do you even know what mounting does? |
| 02:49.06 | Catberta | tvn: With slackware I use root=/dev/sda --- would that work for debain too? |
| 02:49.19 | nog | ilpavox: i guess if you have a gui file manager then there is |
| 02:49.22 | ilpavox | nog: yes.. i don't wanna mount it. i wanna shoot files back and forth |
| 02:49.34 | nog | ilpavox: mounting it is the easiest way |
| 02:49.36 | tvn | Catberta: I am not sure but you can press the F3 from the installer and there are instructions for options for passing extra parameters |
| 02:49.46 | ilpavox | nog: i guess... thanks |
| 02:50.41 | Catberta | tvn: Yeah, tried that (How I found linux26 which I also tried) Seems root=/dev/sda doesn't work, just tried |
| 02:51.00 | takahiro | cool... ok now i have my new system installed on /dev/hda and booted, with root on / (clean new system)... and i have my old system on /dev/hdd and mounted on /mnt... what should I do next? just copy over the /mnt/home, /mnt/etc, and /mnt/var to the new drive (/home, /etc, /var) ? |
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| 02:52.04 | mwilson | Catberta: I kinda doubt you've ever used sda as your root. |
| 02:53.10 | unique311 | debeast: you was right... |
| 02:53.13 | takahiro | how do i tar -cvf and gzip at the same time? |
| 02:53.23 | unique311 | it works now |
| 02:53.27 | jbroome | tar czvf |
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| 02:53.31 | bob2 | takahiro: man tar, hint: -z |
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| 02:54.40 | Catberta | brb |
| 02:55.05 | EdLin | takahiro: you really don't want to share indiscriminantly hamm with woody or sarge |
| 02:55.24 | takahiro | EdLin: i installed woody, not hamm |
| 02:55.42 | EdLin | takahiro: yes, but your old hard drive has hamm configuration files in /etc |
| 02:55.45 | takahiro | woody is backwards compatible with hamm, right? |
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| 02:56.28 | nog | takahiro: you do NOT want to just copy /mnt/etc to /etc |
| 02:56.31 | EdLin | takahiro: yes, but some configuration files will have format changes - dist-upgrade handles those for one distribution up at a time. Doing it by hand won't work. |
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| 02:56.41 | nog | takahiro: whatever you do don't do that |
| 02:56.55 | takahiro | nog: im gzipping /mnt/etc to /home/tak/recovery first |
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| 02:57.13 | nog | takahiro: gzip /etc for a backup |
| 02:57.13 | takahiro | nog: then i will worry about what kind of incompatabilities there might be |
| 02:57.19 | takahiro | nog: ok |
| 02:57.34 | gameman73 | is there a default spindown time for hard drives in debian? |
| 02:57.36 | nog | if you just overwite /etc you are screwed |
| 02:57.49 | mwilson | gameman73: No. |
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| 02:59.35 | gameman73 | well then, what else would cause dma time out errors, lost interrupt errors and I/O errors on hda (tried 3 different cables, 2 of which are known to be good, 2 Hds, 1 known to be good, the other working until this started one day) |
| 02:59.54 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 02:59.54 | dpkg | i/o error is probably if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. |
| 03:00.09 | gameman73 | tried 2 hds |
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| 03:00.15 | gameman73 | 1 known to be good |
| 03:00.19 | bob2 | spindown is never going to cause errors like that |
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| 03:00.35 | bob2 | perhaps the motherboard is screwed then |
| 03:00.42 | bob2 | if youre really sure everything else is good |
| 03:00.46 | gameman73 | yay, any good way to test it |
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| 03:01.13 | gameman73 | if its the mobo, it would in theory crash in windows too, right? |
| 03:01.25 | takahiro | you know what would be good? a program for debian that runs s.m.a.r.t. disk checks daily on your HDD and e-mails you of any warning signs |
| 03:01.41 | bob2 | no |
| 03:01.49 | bob2 | takahiro: they could call it smartd |
| 03:02.01 | gameman73 | bob2: why woulnt it crash in windows? its crashing linux |
| 03:02.01 | takahiro | smartd doesn't email you |
| 03:02.10 | bob2 | takahiro: and put it in the smartmontools package |
| 03:02.16 | bob2 | gameman73: ? |
| 03:02.25 | gameman73 | [23:01] <bob2> no |
| 03:02.31 | gameman73 | or were you talking to takahiro |
| 03:02.43 | bob2 | I was talking to you |
| 03:02.47 | bob2 | windows != linux |
| 03:02.54 | bob2 | perhaps the windows drivers don't report the issue |
| 03:02.57 | bob2 | or don't trigger it |
| 03:03.04 | bob2 | if you're forcing DMA on with hdparm, for instance |
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| 03:03.11 | gameman73 | nope, not forcing anything |
| 03:03.19 | gameman73 | ive even turned off dma |
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| 03:06.05 | jmg | hey guys |
| 03:06.15 | jmg | anyone know how i can resize my root partition? parted wont do it |
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| 03:06.46 | mwilson | jmg: Sure. Back up data, repartition, put data back. |
| 03:06.49 | jbroome | is your root partition mounted? |
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| 03:08.28 | svref | What happens if you run out of RAM and Swap? It seems like *nothing* happens, and everything magically works. That's a lot better than the Kernel Panic I was expecting. |
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| 03:09.12 | gameman73 | lol |
| 03:09.20 | jmg | mwilson: looks that way |
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| 03:09.27 | drbrown | What would cause an 80gb sata hd to come up as the full 80gb |
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| 03:10.26 | be0wulf__ | nothin |
| 03:10.34 | be0wulf__ | what they call 80 gb |
| 03:10.45 | be0wulf__ | are actually 80 * 10^9 bites |
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| 03:10.51 | be0wulf__ | and not 80 gb |
| 03:10.52 | zone17 | Hi, how many packages does debian actually contain? Both stable, unstable and so? How can I get a complete overview without searching for a specific package? |
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| 03:11.35 | be0wulf__ | 85899345920 |
| 03:11.40 | drbrown | When I try to partition the drive I get the /boot partition made, and the the rest of the drive is "unusable" |
| 03:11.53 | guat | where can i set apt to just get i686 packages? |
| 03:12.12 | debeast_ | for any idiot who doesnt relize the diffrent between binary 1000 which is 1024 and decimal and that a file system has overhead keep complaints and send to dev/null |
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| 03:12.40 | jjazz | zone17, packages.debian.org |
| 03:13.24 | drbrown | I relize that, which is why it is very strange for the drive to show up in the partition manage as 80gb even |
| 03:13.45 | drbrown | not 74.whatever |
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| 03:13.50 | drbrown | but 80gb |
| 03:13.51 | debeast_ | depends on the manufacturer |
| 03:14.15 | jjazz | drbrown, Who makes the drive? |
| 03:14.21 | drbrown | seagate |
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| 03:16.04 | svref | What happens if you run out of RAM and Swap? It seems like *nothing* happens, and everything magically works. That's a lot better than the Kernel Panic I was expecting. |
| 03:16.04 | Thaiger | I'm trying to enable direct rendering using my Radeon 9200 card, but I keep getting a drm:radeon_unlock *ERROR* Process XXXX using kernel context 0, where XXXX is whatever PID Xfree86 is |
| 03:16.51 | bob2 | svref: depends |
| 03:16.52 | be0wulf__ | what is the meaning of DOM |
| 03:16.59 | be0wulf__ | in the dirvish conf |
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| 03:17.09 | svref | bob2: on...? |
| 03:17.09 | bob2 | svref: older kernels would silently lock up, newer ones will nuke processes |
| 03:17.18 | be0wulf__ | and gsx22 i can't send pmsgs since i'm not reg |
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| 03:18.28 | svref | bob2: and it decides who to cull using randomness, I guess... |
| 03:18.42 | debeast_ | anyone work with asterisk yet |
| 03:18.43 | bob2 | svref: no |
| 03:19.04 | gsx22 | lol sry ok here is my setup be0wolf. I have a router running OpenWrt and it has iptables. I have the following lines for port 80. iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $WAN -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.101 |
| 03:19.08 | bob2 | svref: a lot of work went into making it pick things that are not essential |
| 03:19.11 | gsx22 | iptables -A forwarding_rule -i $WAN -p tcp --dport 80 -d 192.168.0.101 -j ACCEPT |
| 03:19.15 | bob2 | e.g. it shouldn't ever kill init |
| 03:19.19 | jjazz | debeast_, we use it at my job. |
| 03:19.31 | bob2 | gsx22: this doesn't appear to have anything to do with Debian |
| 03:19.38 | debeast_ | jazz any epertise in configuring it |
| 03:19.47 | debeast_ | expertise |
| 03:19.53 | gsx22 | but it is an iptable prob and should be the same |
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| 03:20.03 | bob2 | gsx22: try #iptables |
| 03:20.13 | be0wulf__ | that's no debian problem then... |
| 03:20.31 | gsx22 | thanks i didn't know there was a room for iptables |
| 03:20.42 | be0wulf__ | you are using this on wrt54g right? |
| 03:20.57 | gsx22 | yes |
| 03:20.57 | jjazz | debeast_, happily, no. It's a PITA to get it right. Lots of fiddly bits and traffic shaping to worry about. |
| 03:21.38 | be0wulf__ | well can even be a software problem |
| 03:22.11 | be0wulf__ | on my debian box what i posted before works |
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| 03:23.02 | gsx22 | well its forwording all outside traffic to the right server. but inside goes to routers port 80. that one echo command you sent me i couldn't use since there isn't much to OpenWrt and nothing wasn't returned |
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| 03:25.14 | gsx22 | i was even in openwrt room and what the few things i was told to try did nothing. and its not the software for the router because i even shutdown the routers port 80 and get no where |
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| 03:28.19 | mhall | mwilson: Did you get your TV show from the UK yet? |
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| 03:28.53 | Thaiger | If the DRM module fails to load when I start, how do I try to reload it? |
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| 03:29.35 | litage | how big is the i386 pool? |
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| 03:31.15 | Guerin | litage: each arch is about 9G each for source and binary |
| 03:31.27 | Colloid | i can't install microsoft office on debian, when i put in the cd nothing comes up |
| 03:31.35 | Colloid | it's office xp |
| 03:31.37 | Colloid | help! |
| 03:31.37 | Guerin | litage: per distro - so sarge, etch and sid would be ~27G |
| 03:31.41 | gameman73 | heh |
| 03:31.52 | Guerin | Colloid: you can't install windows software in debian. |
| 03:32.03 | Guerin | Colloid: apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 03:32.04 | OriiIchii | get open office? |
| 03:32.20 | Colloid | ok ty |
| 03:32.21 | be0wulf__ | what? |
| 03:32.27 | mhall | Colloid: Please tell me you were trolling. |
| 03:32.29 | be0wulf__ | lol |
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| 03:32.53 | be0wulf__ | jup two possibilities |
| 03:32.55 | Guerin | nothing surprises me in #debian when it's sunday in the USA |
| 03:33.03 | Colloid | i was :< |
| 03:33.29 | be0wulf__ | u actually tried to install office xp |
| 03:33.51 | Colloid | no, lol ;/ |
| 03:33.55 | nog | didnt you know office xp installs on debian? |
| 03:34.35 | be0wulf__ | whatever |
| 03:34.36 | OriiIchii | sigh |
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| 03:35.45 | nog | if i get really bored some day.. i might try to wine it |
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| 03:37.19 | OriiIchii | quiet tonite |
| 03:37.39 | Colloid | my brother is gay |
| 03:37.40 | Colloid | is that bad? |
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| 03:38.06 | dna_ | what is a good small system to help me run a router on a 600mhz comp. |
| 03:38.07 | OriiIchii | no. |
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| 03:39.04 | Guerin | dna_: debian sarge |
| 03:39.06 | jbroome | dna_: 600mhz is fast enough to run anything as a router |
| 03:39.31 | dna_ | how do you setup a router with debian sarge/? hehe |
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| 03:39.38 | OriiIchii | anyone using debian ppc? |
| 03:39.57 | Guerin | dna_: install sarge, then do apt-get install shorewall, and configure it |
| 03:39.59 | jbroome | dna_: hehehe, gtfw |
| 03:40.04 | dondelelcaro | OriiIchii: a lot of people doo |
| 03:40.08 | dondelelcaro | s/oo/o/ |
| 03:40.19 | Guerin | dna_: if you want the most basic NAT setup, just install ipmasq and be done |
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| 03:40.41 | EdLin | !anyone |
| 03:40.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 03:40.46 | be0wulf__ | dna_ jo exactly |
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| 03:41.06 | be0wulf__ | even a mobile phone could run a router |
| 03:43.23 | dna_ | woot smoothwall 2.0 |
| 03:43.24 | dna_ | :) |
| 03:43.42 | dna_ | has anyone tried that? |
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| 03:44.20 | liable | yay, new wireless router thats not a piece of shit :) |
| 03:44.45 | dna_ | what is the brand and model #? |
| 03:45.20 | liable | grrr, why did i just join again.. |
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| 03:45.39 | dna_ | what can burn a .iso? |
| 03:45.54 | dondelelcaro | dna_: cdrecord or anything that calls cdrecord. |
| 03:46.22 | be0wulf__ | jesus christ |
| 03:47.07 | be0wulf__ | pretty bad here |
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| 03:48.56 | be0wulf__ | jup and since you are looking |
| 03:48.56 | nog | gnomebaker is decent if you want a gui |
| 03:49.04 | be0wulf__ | what does DOM mean |
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| 03:49.15 | dondelelcaro | !dom |
| 03:49.16 | dpkg | from memory, dom is dim, or the Document Object Model, a w3c standard API to manipulate structured documents |
| 03:49.22 | be0wulf__ | no not this one |
| 03:49.33 | be0wulf__ | it's sth connected with dirvish |
| 03:49.58 | be0wulf__ | and min hr dom mon dow |
| 03:50.08 | dondelelcaro | be0wulf__: day of month; man 5 crontab |
| 03:50.32 | be0wulf__ | uh jo |
| 03:50.37 | be0wulf__ | sorry my brain |
| 03:50.45 | be0wulf__ | 10 to 6 monday morning in here |
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| 03:51.04 | nog | and you just compained about it being bad in here ;) |
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| 03:51.20 | be0wulf__ | have been awake for 24 hours |
| 03:51.20 | be0wulf__ | so |
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| 03:51.34 | dondelelcaro | so sleep |
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| 03:51.40 | be0wulf__ | guess should rather do that |
| 03:51.45 | nog | im close to the end of a 12 hour work shift.. |
| 03:51.56 | tjkarat | I need help with getting sound and my video card (ati x300) to work with my debian amd64 testing system. |
| 03:51.56 | nog | and i still havent gotten a damn thing to run on this sun box besides solaris |
| 03:51.59 | scanwinder | i have a problem with my wireless pcmcia card(netgear wg511t) when my usb2 pcmcia card is in - the wireless card works fine when its the only card in...........................i created a log file of the dmesg output when the error occurs, can someone please review the log for me and tell me whats happening to cause the problem there is a copy of the log at http://pastebin.com/380521 |
| 03:52.24 | dondelelcaro | nog: and you've gone through the sparc installer already? |
| 03:52.32 | dondelelcaro | nog: s/installer/install guide/ |
| 03:52.55 | nog | dondelelcaro, yea, i get some high memory error or something and cant do anything... |
| 03:53.01 | nog | the only thing i havent tried is netbooting |
| 03:53.11 | be0wulf__ | argh that was stupid |
| 03:53.12 | be0wulf__ | grml |
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| 03:53.31 | nog | which i figure would be what i have to do. but i dont have the rights to set it up to netboot.. |
| 03:53.33 | nog | its retarded |
| 03:53.39 | nog | i work in a NOC and have limited rights |
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| 03:53.54 | Varanger | hi |
| 03:54.26 | dondelelcaro | nog: do you have the exact error message? |
| 03:54.45 | dondelelcaro | nog: you know, you could just hook the box up to a laptop via a cross over cable to netboot it... |
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| 03:55.06 | Varanger | Does Debian have any download accelarator?? |
| 03:55.17 | dondelelcaro | Varanger: download accelerators are totally pointless. |
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| 03:55.39 | nog | dondelelcaro "Fast Data Access MMU Miss" |
| 03:56.08 | Varanger | dondelelcaro: that why prozilla has been removed from Sarge's branch? |
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| 03:56.15 | crispynix | Varanger: there are quite a few download managers available for Linux and the various DEs that run on it. |
| 03:56.40 | nog | dondelelcaro: even if i get that to work, i would be suprised if the kernel booted even... the gentoo installer would start loading the kernel, and then panic out |
| 03:56.41 | kithe | Hi, I'm trying to get debain running on a D400 laptop, it has the 855 chipset and there are a few things I don't really get and can't get to work... I know that I should need to run a wrapper to get more then 1meg video memory... but it doesn't help, anything think they might be able to help? |
| 03:57.08 | Varanger | crispynix: do you know anyone on Debian? |
| 03:57.20 | jjazz | kithe, Is that the Dell Latitude D400? |
| 03:57.27 | kithe | jjazz: yeah |
| 03:57.57 | jjazz | kithe, the installer booted and ran and installed the base system? |
| 03:58.09 | crispynix | Varanger: apt-cache search download manager I like KGet, but there are a few others. |
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| 03:58.26 | Varanger | crispynix: thanks! |
| 03:58.29 | kithe | jjazz: yeah, then I installed the 2.6.12-1 kernel and latest Xorg |
| 03:58.32 | Varanger | about... DM... |
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| 03:58.48 | Varanger | how can I choose between KDE or Gnome |
| 03:58.53 | Varanger | they are both installed |
| 03:59.06 | Miesco | Tortel: Are you there? |
| 03:59.10 | DeafByBeheading | hi... could anyone answer a potentially stupid question? |
| 03:59.14 | dondelelcaro | nog: well, it looks like the standard fix to your issue is to do the netboot; but if you're still having problems, ask on debian-sparc@lists.debian.org |
| 03:59.25 | Miesco | I got 6 speakers and only 1 works, what can I do |
| 03:59.25 | dondelelcaro | nog: you could also try #debian-sparc |
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| 03:59.41 | crispynix | Varanger: The desktop managers should have a menu, assuming that you're running one |
| 03:59.58 | crispynix | Varanger: just select the session type in kdm/gdm |
| 04:00.08 | jjazz | kithe, well, good for you. When I tried to get a D400 up, the installer puked and I didn't have time to muck with it. It's an Ubuntu box now. |
| 04:00.47 | Varanger | crispynix: that's the problem... I don't use neither kdm nor gdm |
| 04:01.01 | Varanger | I always start on the console and then type "startx" |
| 04:01.03 | kithe | jjazz: ubuntu works fine... and thats strange... my problem is that I have to boot the installation from a usb stick and do a ftp install... can that be done with ubuntu too? |
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| 04:01.28 | Varanger | crispynix: that's why I need the file to edit to change the WM |
| 04:01.34 | be0wulf__ | Miesco be happy about the one that works' |
| 04:01.34 | be0wulf__ | ? |
| 04:01.50 | Varanger | or maybe I could use a app to switch the WM ! |
| 04:01.58 | crispynix | Varanger: hm, I don't remember that one -- it's been years since I've used startx |
| 04:02.13 | Miesco | be0wulf__: There's nothing I can do? |
| 04:02.20 | be0wulf__ | well i don't know |
| 04:02.24 | jjazz | kithe, I don't know. I just did it off the CD. You can ask in #ubuntu, though. They would know. |
| 04:02.28 | be0wulf__ | probably there is |
| 04:02.36 | kithe | jjazz: thanks mate |
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| 04:02.59 | nog | dondelelcaro, yea, doesnt seem like anyone is alive in debian-sparc.. i will bring it up to my boss about net booting, but he will probably just go for selling the box, and buying something that is easier to do stuff with.. haha |
| 04:03.02 | be0wulf__ | i only use deb server |
| 04:03.26 | be0wulf__ | since my wlan device on my laptop had sth agains tbeing setup |
| 04:03.31 | be0wulf__ | nomatter what i tried |
| 04:04.01 | Miesco | Is there a way to set up my speakers or something |
| 04:04.42 | liable | Miesco: have you looked in alsamixer? |
| 04:05.23 | Miesco | liable: No |
| 04:05.44 | dondelelcaro | nog: which sparc box is it, anyway? |
| 04:05.48 | tjkarat | is there a way to get your sound to work when you get the message /dev/dsp doesnt exist? |
| 04:06.05 | JimButton | tjkarat: yeah, you could create it :) |
| 04:06.21 | JimButton | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Apr 15 2001 /dev/dsp |
| 04:06.23 | nog | dondelelcaro: Fire 280r |
| 04:06.27 | tjkarat | touch /dev/dsp? |
| 04:06.27 | mhall | nog: I've got Debian for SPARC working. |
| 04:06.29 | DeafByBeheading | hi |
| 04:06.42 | nog | dondelelcaro: seems like one of the worst boxes to put anything but solaris on |
| 04:06.47 | JimButton | tjkarat: no, it is a device file, not a regular file |
| 04:07.03 | nog | mhall, what model? |
| 04:07.08 | mhall | nog: Ultra 10 |
| 04:07.20 | JimButton | tjkarat: mknod /dev/dsp c 14 3 |
| 04:07.22 | dondelelcaro | nog: apparently the 3.0r2 boot floppies work |
| 04:07.28 | dondelelcaro | nog: see http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2004/04/msg00163.html |
| 04:07.46 | JimButton | tjkarat: but of course that is no guarantee that it will work, you will also need the right sound driver and stuff |
| 04:08.10 | mhall | nog: If you want the ultimate in Linux goodness, you ought to try a V20Z or V40Z Opteron box. |
| 04:08.26 | nog | dondelelcaro: hrrm.. dont have a floppy drive on it though. |
| 04:08.33 | kithe | jjazz: hehe they told me it is possible but no one knows how haha |
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| 04:08.44 | be0wulf__ | i've got another stupid question... |
| 04:08.50 | nog | mhall: yea, im sure.. but this is a box they had here and we are wanting to recycle it |
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| 04:09.02 | Miesco | Wait it does work in more speakers, just really quiet |
| 04:09.24 | be0wulf__ | why can't anything under linux be simple even the bloody backup proggie has about 20 pages manual |
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| 04:09.57 | dondelelcaro | nog: well, there are some more posts on debian-sparc about that machine; I'd suggest reading through them to see what is going on |
| 04:09.59 | jjazz | kithe, heh. I've never played with a USB stick before. If you have another laptop, pull the D400 hdd, put it in your other laptop, install on that box, then put the hdd back in the D400. |
| 04:10.08 | nullman | how do i turn off auto-play when i insert a CD? or is that a GNOME question? |
| 04:10.08 | servus | I don't think that's a simple question, be0wulf__ |
| 04:10.16 | dondelelcaro | be0wulf__: a 20 page manual is tiny for a backup program |
| 04:10.29 | servus | My backup program is called "cron". |
| 04:10.31 | nog | be0wulf__, the simple answer to that is "to weed out the stupid users" |
| 04:10.37 | Miesco | Okay I got 3 to work |
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| 04:10.58 | be0wulf__ | it just means linux is either for professionals or for people with hell a lot of time |
| 04:11.03 | kithe | jjazz: I only have one I'm afraid... debian has a really easy way to do it... zcat boot img to usb copy a mini iso done hehe |
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| 04:11.35 | Thaiger | I upgraded to a 2.6 kernel and all the errors regarding DRM and radeon driver seem to be resolved, I can't find any errors, yet glxinfo still says direct rendering: no |
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| 04:11.51 | dondelelcaro | be0wulf__: it's for who it's always been for; the people who actually use it. |
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| 04:12.07 | tq | nas |
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| 04:12.20 | Miesco | Alright, 4, 2 more to go |
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| 04:14.15 | nog | dondelelcaro: i think in all actuality, we are going to sell this box.. haha |
| 04:14.18 | DeafByBeheading | be0wulf__, i think since the core is based on unix, something that predates any notion of user-friendliness on a computer, let alone a desktop computer, it naturally caters to the people willing to devote some time to it... i think donedelelcaro is right above--20 pages isn't much. |
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| 04:14.40 | wasketbasket | ola |
| 04:14.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell wasketbasket -about away |
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| 04:15.11 | be0wulf__ | it's rather like ages than some time;)i know that 20 pages is not much have seen other manuals |
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| 04:16.38 | victor_ | hola |
| 04:16.55 | DeafByBeheading | sure... i don't know about your experience, though, but i've found that it is incrementally learnable... i mean, once you know the basic file system commands, the logic behind the file system structure, plus man, apropos, and a few others, you can really tackle a lot |
| 04:17.14 | victor_ | alguien que hable español |
| 04:17.37 | liable | victor_: #debian-es |
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| 04:17.40 | jbroome | !es |
| 04:17.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 04:18.16 | victor_ | hola necesito hayuda en ubuntu |
| 04:18.23 | be0wulf__ | actually the fact that it has only 20 pages made me print the manual *g* |
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| 04:20.03 | victor_ | nesesito ayuda con ubuntu |
| 04:20.42 | victor_ | no puedo realizar apt-get upgrade |
| 04:21.06 | be0wulf__ | victor_ this is not 4 users who speak spanish nor for ubuntu users so... |
| 04:21.25 | DeafByBeheading | okay, i'm gonna see if anyone can answer my kernel upgrade question: |
| 04:21.38 | tjkarat | my music player in gnome says /dev/dsp does not exist but when I enter the command that I got just a minute ago in here the response from the command was that /dev/dsp already existed.. bottom line.. no sound! |
| 04:22.06 | victor_ | thank |
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| 04:23.00 | victor_ | kl |
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| 04:23.31 | DeafByBeheading | i've upgraded to 2.6.12 with apt, but i need to recompile a module for my wlan card (it uses the acx111 chipset, which is unsupported natively). i've done apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6-k7, but this isn't the 2.6.12 headers... i know next to nothing about this sort of thing--could someone tell me what the problem is? |
| 04:24.43 | DeafByBeheading | i'm guessing either the headers are the same, or for some reason they're not out yet... but i'm not sure i should compile the module against the 2.6.8 headers (the newest available) |
| 04:25.16 | kikinovak | Hi. I have several machines here in my home, as well as some others, that I'd like to migrate to Debian Sarge. Unfortunately here in this remote place (Cévennes, South France) there's only dialup. Q: if I install all supplementary ( = not on CDs) packages on _one_ machine, and then copy over the content of /var/cache/apt/archive to all other machines, will this speed up the install on the other machines? (I'm a writer, not a technician, |
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| 04:25.28 | victor_ | thyt |
| 04:26.28 | be0wulf__ | so what do u write books? |
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| 04:27.13 | kikinovak | be0wulf__ you mean "you write books, so what"? or "what books do you write"? |
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| 04:27.36 | be0wulf__ | ne i mean what do u write, books? |
| 04:27.45 | be0wulf__ | and what kinda books |
| 04:28.14 | kikinovak | be0wulf__ books, mainly, yeah. In German. see http://www.kikinovak.net |
| 04:28.45 | be0wulf__ | well german is my mothertongue |
| 04:29.01 | kikinovak | be0wulf__ well, then, enjoy the books:0) |
| 04:29.22 | kikinovak | as for the answer to my technical question? |
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| 04:29.49 | be0wulf__ | well u could even run squid |
| 04:30.05 | kikinovak | that's a proxy, no? |
| 04:30.07 | be0wulf__ | jo |
| 04:30.13 | nog | possibly do a local mirror, if you have the space |
| 04:30.36 | Thaiger | I get libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_noop_enable_warnings) |
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| 04:31.12 | kikinovak | hummm... but that would only do for the local machines... but there some other machines not connected to our home LAN that I'd like to migrate too. No, the idea was: put everything 'extra' on a CD, and then simply copy over |
| 04:31.24 | kikinovak | I don't mind if it's not a very elegant solution |
| 04:31.35 | be0wulf__ | ah i c |
| 04:31.50 | VicCode | HOLA NECESITO AYUDA EN UBUNTU ALGUIEN ME PUEDE AYUDAR?? |
| 04:31.50 | be0wulf__ | well |
| 04:31.56 | kikinovak | I even thought about installing _one_ machine at a friend's home in Monptpellier, 50 km from here. He has a fast connection... |
| 04:31.56 | be0wulf__ | u can dpkg -i install the packages |
| 04:32.07 | kikinovak | ..... and then put everything extra on CD for the machines here |
| 04:32.14 | be0wulf__ | so u certainly could put the packages on a cd |
| 04:32.48 | kikinovak | the question is: as soon as I put an extra package in /var/cache/apt/archive, will it prevent it from being downloaded again? |
| 04:32.49 | Thaiger | Doing strings /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so | grep _glapi_noop_enable_warnings shows something but I still get undefined symbol _glapi_noop_enable_warnings |
| 04:33.26 | VicCode | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.32 | be0wulf__ | !es |
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| 04:33.54 | be0wulf__ | hopefully |
| 04:34.14 | be0wulf__ | kikinovak i don't know but if you try you will:) |
| 04:34.49 | kikinovak | be0wulf__ OK so I'm gonna give it a try. At least, the idea doesn't sound remote to you? |
| 04:34.56 | tjkarat | any pointers in the right direction to get my sound working would be greatly appreciated. |
| 04:35.13 | nog | kikinovak, its worth a try |
| 04:35.31 | kikinovak | ok folks... see ya. thanks. |
| 04:35.39 | be0wulf__ | but there is also a list where the names of the packages are on and whether they ... |
| 04:35.42 | be0wulf__ | blabla |
| 04:36.00 | be0wulf__ | tjkarat go through the sound demon configuration |
| 04:36.09 | be0wulf__ | it's most likely the problem |
| 04:36.21 | nog | its those demons |
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| 04:36.33 | tjkarat | esd.conf? |
| 04:36.47 | Seb | how can I convert a YUV video file to an mpeg4 one ? |
| 04:36.59 | nog | demons == bad |
| 04:37.02 | nog | daemons == good |
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| 04:37.17 | be0wulf__ | to me they are rather demons;) |
| 04:37.21 | GRANTS | Hello! |
| 04:38.04 | travers | ah! I've got it! |
| 04:38.15 | GRANTS | I'm installing Debian right now, and I don't have too much experience in the *NIX field. I was entering data for my refresh rate when I pressed the "Escape" key now there are packages being setup. |
| 04:38.21 | be0wulf__ | tjkarat i can only tell u that my sound stuff worked really nice |
| 04:38.23 | travers | debian is as slow as sucking molasses through a straw north of the arctic circle |
| 04:38.34 | GRANTS | Is there a way to go back to the refresh rate settings? |
| 04:38.51 | EdLin | !drxx GRANTS |
| 04:38.53 | dpkg | GRANTS: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:38.55 | travers | honestly, though, many fantastic distrobutions are debian based: knoppix and it's forks, etc |
| 04:39.01 | travers | I *heart* debain |
| 04:39.12 | GRANTS | Okay. Thanks! |
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| 04:39.30 | nog | travers, i like ubuntu for laptop installs |
| 04:39.44 | DeafByBeheading | *tries again* i've upgraded to 2.6.12 with apt, but i need to recompile a module for my wlan card (it uses the acx111 chipset, which is unsupported natively). i've done apt-get installkernel-headers-2. 6-k7, but this isn't the 2.6.12 headers... i know next to nothing about this sort of thing--could someone tell me what the problem is? |
| 04:39.48 | be0wulf__ | jup gonna give it a try later this week |
| 04:39.56 | tjkarat | i get this when I try running esd -d /dev/dsp "- using device /dev/dsp |
| 04:39.56 | tjkarat | ALSA lib pcm.c:2090:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM /dev/dsp |
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| 04:40.02 | GRANTS | It took a bit of time to update Debian as well. Which Debian mirror will saturate 160KBPS or so in North America? |
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| 04:40.38 | nog | tjkarat, the best way i have found to see if my sound is working "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" if you dont get a bunch of static, your sound isnt going to work at all |
| 04:40.54 | DeafByBeheading | you could try apt-spy, GRANTS. it basically finds your fastest depository connection.... |
| 04:41.07 | GRANTS | Nice. |
| 04:41.42 | DeafByBeheading | careful, though, 'cause (at least by default) it overwrites sources.list |
| 04:41.51 | Thaiger | What package do I need to get to update my libGL since I got X.Org? |
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| 04:42.35 | tjkarat | I get the message /dev/dsp: No such device |
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| 04:42.57 | nog | does debian use alsa? |
| 04:42.58 | mhall | DeafByBeheading: OK. |
| 04:43.17 | travers | nog, yes |
| 04:43.18 | mhall | DeafByBeheading: Try apt-cache search kernel-headers please. |
| 04:43.40 | mhall | DeafByBeheading: This will show you that there are more proper header packages available for your use to compile your module. |
| 04:43.43 | nog | tjkarat, try running alsaconf |
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| 04:44.17 | be0wulf__ | jo |
| 04:44.30 | mhall | DeafByBeheading: BTW how the fuck did you get ACX 111 working? The version of that driver that I found was so entirely horrifyingly ghetto, that I was completely incapable of getting it to function. |
| 04:44.44 | tjkarat | no supported cards found.. its on the motherboard |
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| 04:45.03 | mhall | GRANTS: I have found mirrors2.kernel.org to be best for me. |
| 04:45.05 | nog | tjkarat, what kind of card is it? ac97? |
| 04:45.09 | GRANTS | Thanks. |
| 04:45.14 | tjkarat | anyway I can find out? |
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| 04:45.18 | nog | dmesg |
| 04:45.20 | mhall | GRANTS: I've got a working sources.list if you like. |
| 04:45.29 | nog | that is if the kernel has support for it |
| 04:45.29 | tawfik | hi people |
| 04:45.43 | tawfik | I have an important question: |
| 04:45.45 | GRANTS | Well, I don't think I'll be updating that much, and I have to experience Debian first hand for now. |
| 04:45.49 | DeafByBeheading | mhall, i followed craig's directions... maybe i was just lucky, but it was pretty simple... |
| 04:45.55 | mhall | GRANTS: If you join #flood I will send it to you. |
| 04:46.10 | tawfik | How can I make Windows Media Files work on Linux(debian sarge), like .wmv or .wma files |
| 04:46.12 | tawfik | ? |
| 04:46.13 | GRANTS | No thanks. Perhaps later. |
| 04:46.21 | DeafByBeheading | http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php |
| 04:46.28 | mhall | GRANTS: OK then. |
| 04:46.40 | mhall | DeafByBeheading: Wow. |
| 04:46.55 | mhall | DeafByBeheading: I have the world's worst possible luck with Linux wireless. |
| 04:47.06 | mhall | DeafByBeheading: Nothing that I try works, at all, ever, for any reason. |
| 04:47.10 | tjkarat | what do I grep for in dmesg looking for my sound card? |
| 04:47.12 | travers | tawfik, you can't |
| 04:47.14 | nog | mhall, even ndiswrapper |
| 04:47.16 | nog | ? |
| 04:47.24 | be0wulf__ | DeafByBeheading: sounds so familiar to me |
| 04:47.26 | travers | tawfik, err you can't make them, but you can play them |
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| 04:47.39 | DeafByBeheading | heh... getting it to work with that is a pain enough for me. next time, i think i'm gonna buy a wlan adapter specifically for linux. |
| 04:47.40 | travers | tawfik, xine and mplayer are good choices |
| 04:47.42 | tawfik | ok, so how can I play them? |
| 04:47.47 | nullman | tawfik: you have to run Windows Media Player via Wine or Crossover |
| 04:48.01 | tawfik | xine, ok, will apt-get work for getting xine? |
| 04:48.13 | be0wulf__ | DeafByBeheading that's my plan too *g* |
| 04:48.30 | ke6isf | nullman: Why run Windows Media Player via wine, when you can play the files in mplayer? |
| 04:48.31 | EdLin | nullman: no, mplayer with w32codecs plays windows media, audio and video. |
| 04:48.49 | nog | ndiswrapper is the best idea ever |
| 04:48.55 | EdLin | !tell tawfik -about marillat |
| 04:48.58 | be0wulf__ | i don't think i can do anything about my wlan client coz it's specially designed and i unfortuantely can't write my own drivers |
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| 04:49.04 | travers | I think win32codecs only adds support for wmv9 in the windows category |
| 04:49.06 | EdLin | !tell nullman about marillat |
| 04:49.09 | nullman | ke6isf, EdLin: humm, i'll have to try that |
| 04:49.25 | GRANTS | So, I have a basic deployment of Debian up. Now what? |
| 04:49.37 | nog | GRANTS, enjoy! |
| 04:49.43 | GRANTS | With? |
| 04:49.44 | JimButton | GRANTS: what do you want to do? |
| 04:49.46 | GRANTS | Wine? Cheese? |
| 04:49.56 | GRANTS | I want go to to ZION and meet NEO. |
| 04:49.58 | GRANTS | WHOO! |
| 04:50.02 | ke6isf | GRANTS: Define 'a basic deployment of Debian'? |
| 04:50.15 | JimButton | GRANTS: that will be implemented only in the next debian release, unfortunately... |
| 04:50.17 | nog | my guess would be "workstation install" |
| 04:50.20 | GRANTS | Installed it, let it run. Is there anything I should know off the top of my head? |
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| 04:50.24 | GRANTS | Yeah. WS install. |
| 04:50.31 | DeafByBeheading | >> Try apt-cache search kernel-headers please. -- But I checked debian.org, and kernel-headers-2.6 (supposed to depend on latest headers) depends on 2.6.8-2... I'd just try it, but I'm not in Debian right now... |
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| 04:50.39 | GRANTS | I remember a bit of GNOME, but that's it. |
| 04:50.47 | tawfik | how do I add a repository? |
| 04:50.51 | tawfik | in apt-get? |
| 04:51.04 | nog | GRANTS, well use it like you would any other OS... haha... |
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| 04:51.15 | GRANTS | Awww. |
| 04:51.15 | JimButton | tawfik: add it in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:51.43 | travers | anyone know off the top of their heads how many threads debian limits a user to on a default install? |
| 04:51.49 | be0wulf__ | i was just about to give my first useful answer today |
| 04:51.50 | tjkarat | I think this is my sound card nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller |
| 04:51.51 | GRANTS | Will I have to lockdown/secure Debian extensively now? |
| 04:51.56 | nog | GRANTS, install nmap, and start scanning subnets! |
| 04:51.56 | mhall | nog: Problem is that the place where I need NDIS Wrapper is AMD64. And Broadcom is composed of such outrageous pricks that they refuse even to release a Windows 64-bit driver. |
| 04:52.10 | GRANTS | Go NMAP! |
| 04:52.28 | EdLin | GRANTS: make sure to disable root login for ssh, or disable it completely if you don't need remote log-in. |
| 04:52.29 | travers | mhall, acutally there is a universal broadcom 64 bit driver |
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| 04:52.37 | travers | mhall, want me to e-mail it to you? |
| 04:52.39 | mhall | nog: Also, my PCMCIA Atheros card that can be used with the madwifi officially supported driver, does not function as described with 802.1x authentication needed to access my .edu network. |
| 04:52.42 | GRANTS | EdLin - That's at? |
| 04:52.46 | be0wulf__ | is this guy crazy or sth |
| 04:53.06 | mhall | travers: PLEASE! |
| 04:53.15 | be0wulf__ | EdLin but u can always use the su command afterwards... |
| 04:53.18 | travers | mhall, well... address? |
| 04:53.28 | nog | well.. shifts over.. later |
| 04:53.35 | EdLin | GRANTS: to disable completely, dpkg-reconfigure ssh and tell it to not run the daemon. |
| 04:53.38 | tawfik | Will VLC do the job for playing Windows media files? |
| 04:53.43 | mhall | travers: I googled, googled, and googled! |
| 04:53.53 | be0wulf__ | grants: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 04:53.56 | EdLin | GRANTS: to disable root logins, it's in /etc/sshd_config |
| 04:54.05 | EdLin | be0wulf__: GMTA |
| 04:54.31 | mhall | Is there _anybody_ here who has gotten madwifi 802.1x to work? |
| 04:54.40 | EdLin | tawfik: mplayer is the best at that |
| 04:54.59 | mhall | I got the 802.1x driver to build with madwifi support but then it refuses to launch claiming that there is some IOCTL thing missing. |
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| 04:55.23 | tawfik | but, I cant install it, I added the repository, but when I try to update apt-get, it says something like "Too many connections from this IP" |
| 04:55.25 | be0wulf__ | argh can somebody shoot my sister? |
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| 04:55.45 | GRANTS | Which option side of SSHD_CONFIG is it? |
| 04:55.50 | GRANTS | (inside) |
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| 04:56.07 | EdLin | tawfik: are you viewing the ftp URL that the bot points you to? If so, go somewhere else or exit. |
| 04:56.14 | be0wulf__ | PermitRootLogin = no |
| 04:56.17 | be0wulf__ | @ grants |
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| 04:56.26 | be0wulf__ | and forget about the = |
| 04:56.27 | be0wulf__ | it's without |
| 04:56.27 | DeafByBeheading | okay, i'm gonna go try apt-cache search kernel-headers... brb |
| 04:56.38 | tawfik | EdLin: Ok, now it works, but which of the mplayers should I select? |
| 04:56.49 | EdLin | tawfik: that depends on your CPU |
| 04:57.04 | tawfik | EdLin: well, what is the best one? I have a 2Ghz CPU |
| 04:57.14 | EdLin | GRANTS: then after you modify ssh, /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 04:57.17 | GRANTS | I forgot how to use most of VI, any other text editor that is useful with Debian? |
| 04:57.30 | EdLin | tawfik: what kind of 2Ghz CPU? AMD or Intel? |
| 04:57.32 | mhall | GRANTS: nano |
| 04:57.35 | GRANTS | :q! |
| 04:57.36 | be0wulf__ | apt-get install mc |
| 04:57.38 | tawfik | EdLin: AMD |
| 04:57.39 | mhall | GRANTS: emacs |
| 04:57.39 | be0wulf__ | that's easiest |
| 04:57.39 | GRANTS | Ah. Thanks. |
| 04:57.54 | be0wulf__ | GRANTS: use mc |
| 04:57.56 | EdLin | tawfik: then I think it's -k(some number) |
| 04:57.58 | ke6isf | ed is the standard editor! |
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| 04:58.04 | mhall | ke6isf: </troll> |
| 04:58.15 | streuner | !start an editor war |
| 04:58.15 | dpkg | xemacs users are clueballs |
| 04:58.22 | tawfik | oh, ok, thanks |
| 04:58.23 | GRANTS | Heh. |
| 04:58.29 | GRANTS | First time in the channel, and now, this! |
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| 04:59.07 | GRANTS | How do I enforce a save over a read only file? |
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| 04:59.08 | be0wulf__ | but vi is also quite easy to use |
| 04:59.12 | GRANTS | Yes, I'm damn lazy. |
| 04:59.13 | be0wulf__ | :w save |
| 04:59.15 | be0wulf__ | :q quit |
| 04:59.24 | GRANTS | :wq! |
| 04:59.27 | GRANTS | Bleh. |
| 04:59.32 | GRANTS | I forget how to put the cursor back IN. |
| 04:59.38 | be0wulf__ | A |
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| 04:59.43 | ke6isf | or I |
| 04:59.45 | GRANTS | Ha! |
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| 04:59.48 | GRANTS | I! |
| 04:59.56 | be0wulf__ | yes or A |
| 05:00.33 | be0wulf__ | GRANTS: if you use :w u don't need to force the q! |
| 05:00.46 | EdLin | !u |
| 05:00.47 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:00.51 | be0wulf__ | anyway i'm gonna stay quiet now |
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| 05:00.56 | GRANTS | Heh. |
| 05:01.02 | GRANTS | File is still read only. |
| 05:01.07 | takahiro | how can i copy a file from one dir to another while ignoring disk i/o errors (copy as much as possible)... i tried regular copy and regular tar and even tar with --ignore-read-errors, but it still stops as soon as there is an error |
| 05:01.10 | GRANTS | Go limited VI and *NIX experience! |
| 05:01.27 | be0wulf__ | grants su |
| 05:01.32 | EdLin | GRANTS: su to root first |
| 05:01.33 | GRANTS | Ack. Thanks. |
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| 05:03.25 | rue_mohr | well, I did the dist-upgrade |
| 05:03.25 | rue_mohr | now X is all screwed up |
| 05:03.25 | rue_mohr | I want enlightenment back |
| 05:03.25 | rue_mohr | and I want gedit to go to hell :) |
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| 05:03.57 | be0wulf__ | so now i have to think that's sth really hard |
| 05:04.10 | tawfik | EdLin:I have installed mplayer, how do I use it? |
| 05:04.12 | tawfik | where is it? |
| 05:04.23 | GRANTS | I get a "Bad yes/without-password/forced-commands....." reply after sshd restart after I disallowed root SSH in access. |
| 05:04.32 | tawfik | EdLin:And how do I associate file extensions with it? |
| 05:04.37 | be0wulf__ | just enter mplayer? |
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| 05:04.52 | be0wulf__ | but not in the su window |
| 05:04.52 | liable | or gmplayer for gui |
| 05:05.01 | be0wulf__ | coz this one won't have xserver access |
| 05:05.34 | rue_mohr | and my internet is being stupidly slow |
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| 05:06.22 | rue_mohr | ah, right, I'm re-updating |
| 05:06.39 | ke6isf | !tell rue_mohr -about enter |
| 05:07.45 | be0wulf__ | i always need to reboot in order to make the kernel use the new partition table right? |
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| 05:08.41 | OriiIchii | i beleive soo |
| 05:08.50 | takahiro | any ides guys? |
| 05:09.04 | rue_mohr | and I want this panel a little taller... |
| 05:09.21 | takahiro | any idea how to copy files while ignoring errors and not bailing out? |
| 05:09.36 | EdLin | !any ideas |
| 05:09.36 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 three-legged kittens. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 05:09.59 | takahiro | how can i copy files? from a bad hdd |
| 05:10.11 | OriiIchii | recover? |
| 05:10.22 | streuner | backup! |
| 05:10.29 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 05:10.29 | dpkg | it has been said that unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 05:11.00 | mhall | streuner: I'm a sudo addict. |
| 05:11.04 | rue_mohr | ke6isf, and I dont like you using bots to tell me how to talk ;) |
| 05:11.05 | takahiro | anyone? |
| 05:11.12 | EdLin | takahiro: just try to copy over your personal data, the configuration data you mentioned from Hamm will only mess up woody or sarge unless one dist-upgraded (which you can't anymore because of no hamm repositories) |
| 05:11.16 | mhall | rue_mohr: Then don't talk wrongly! |
| 05:11.17 | streuner | mhall: haha |
| 05:11.32 | EdLin | takahiro: not to mention dynamic executables |
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| 05:11.40 | be0wulf__ | but it's practical to be root |
| 05:11.42 | be0wulf__ | *g* |
| 05:11.43 | mhall | EdLin: archive . d . o? |
| 05:11.50 | EdLin | !anyone |
| 05:11.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:12.07 | OriiIchii | i just droped a ramen noodle on my keyboard.. |
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| 05:12.12 | din | gn |
| 05:12.14 | EdLin | mhall: yes, but that doesn't give you a migration path |
| 05:12.43 | takahiro | Edlin: how do i copy files from a directory to another? |
| 05:12.50 | takahiro | Edlin: while ignoring the errors on the disk? |
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| 05:12.59 | tawfik | EdLin: How do I install the codecs I need to play Windows media files, with mplayer? |
| 05:13.00 | takahiro | Edlin: i just want to retreive as much data as possible from the bad disk |
| 05:13.12 | Matthew_I | is it best to use one ssl cert for everything (smtp, imap, http) or seperate ones? |
| 05:13.12 | rue_mohr | after the upgrade, dragging things in X sucks... |
| 05:13.18 | takahiro | does anyone know how to copy files while ignoring errors? |
| 05:13.20 | michan | can someone help me with installing nvidia drivers? i followed the howto completely, but when i reboot and x tries to load, it freezes at a black screen |
| 05:13.25 | OriiIchii | -y? |
| 05:13.27 | takahiro | i looked at the man page for cp and there is no flag to ignore errors |
| 05:13.30 | takahiro | anyone know? |
| 05:13.36 | EdLin | tawfik: apt-get install w32codecs |
| 05:13.53 | mhall | EdLin: ? I'm confused. |
| 05:14.04 | mhall | EdLin: Why does this not give you a migration path? |
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| 05:14.20 | be0wulf__ | EdLin: why does everyone ask u questions? |
| 05:14.21 | takahiro | is there any way? |
| 05:14.23 | EdLin | mhall: he is running Hamm, and wants to copy *everything* into woody or sarge |
| 05:14.29 | takahiro | EdLin: no |
| 05:14.31 | EdLin | !u |
| 05:14.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:14.37 | mhall | EdLin: dist upgrade one step at a time eh? |
| 05:14.38 | takahiro | EdLin: I reinstalled woody |
| 05:14.45 | mhall | EdLin: I still do not see why it would not work. |
| 05:14.57 | GRANTS | How can I get more information on installing software, especially with all of this "APT-GET" stuff. |
| 05:15.04 | takahiro | EdLin: and now i just want to copy a bunch of photos in /mnt/home/tak/photos into a new folder /home/tak/photos |
| 05:15.07 | EdLin | mhall: because you can't dist-upgrade through all of the steps without repositories |
| 05:15.09 | takahiro | EdLin: that's all I want to do now |
| 05:15.16 | Eclipser | GRANTS, apt-cache show softwarename |
| 05:15.19 | EdLin | takahiro: OK. |
| 05:15.22 | takahiro | EdLin: but it stops after the third photo |
| 05:15.23 | GRANTS | Thanks! |
| 05:15.29 | Eclipser | GRANTS, umh, missread your question :p |
| 05:15.37 | Eclipser | GRANTS, man apt-get, for example |
| 05:15.44 | EdLin | takahiro: then remove the files it can't remove each time, assuming that's practical. |
| 05:15.45 | michan | when i try installing nvidia drivers with the debian packages, x just freezes on bootup, and when i try using the official nvidia release, x fails to load. can anyone help? |
| 05:15.47 | GRANTS | Boo to manpages. |
| 05:15.52 | GRANTS | man mount! |
| 05:15.54 | be0wulf__ | grants man apt-get |
| 05:16.04 | takahiro | EdLin: how can I copy the fourth and beyond? if i manually type cp photo004.jpg /home/tak/photos, it works fine... but cp won't automatically ignore the disk error on photo003.jpg |
| 05:16.09 | rue_mohr | mhall, bet you wolud rtelaly htae it if I selepld eentirhyvg wnrog too |
| 05:16.12 | Eclipser | !hit GRANTS |
| 05:16.15 | takahiro | EdLin: i don't want to manually have to type cp for every single file that I have |
| 05:16.16 | be0wulf__ | and i'm late |
| 05:16.21 | GRANTS | And I LIKE it. |
| 05:16.22 | takahiro | EdLin: is there a way to just copy and ignore all the errors? |
| 05:16.23 | mhall | EdLin: But there _ARE_ repositories! |
| 05:16.33 | EdLin | michan: if you have an older or lower-end card, try nvidia kernel driver version 7174. Later nvidia drivers only support newer or more expensive cards. |
| 05:16.35 | be0wulf__ | GRANTS that's nice |
| 05:16.37 | takahiro | EdLin: without running cp eighty times? |
| 05:16.40 | be0wulf__ | !help |
| 05:16.56 | michan | EdLin: i just got a geforce 6600 with 256mb of ram |
| 05:16.57 | rue_mohr | now how do I get this panel bigger... |
| 05:17.03 | michan | it's probably considered newer |
| 05:17.10 | EdLin | takahiro: write a script with a " || fooiffail" syntax. |
| 05:17.12 | mhall | rue_mohr: wnbt |
| 05:17.15 | takahiro | that's annoying |
| 05:17.18 | takahiro | is there a flag? |
| 05:17.21 | VivekVC | On which channel(s) here on Freenode are debian bug sqashing parties held ? |
| 05:17.22 | takahiro | or can i use dd? |
| 05:17.23 | rue_mohr | ok, got that... |
| 05:17.23 | rue_mohr | fix my background image... |
| 05:17.27 | takahiro | or is there another way? |
| 05:17.56 | EdLin | michan: yes, then I don't know what the problem is. There are good docs in /usr/share/doc for nvidia drivers. Follow the instructions step by step. |
| 05:18.13 | michan | EdLin: alright, i'll try looking there. thanks |
| 05:18.17 | takahiro | can someone help me? |
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| 05:18.32 | VivekVC | I am doing a fellowship with an NGO and would like that info when i present them a monthly breakup of my fellowship. Thanks in advance. |
| 05:18.47 | mhall | EdLin: "No binaries, only source, are available for rex and buzz." -- archive.debian.org. Ergo binaries are available for bo, hamm, slink, potato, woody, sarge, and sid. |
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| 05:18.56 | streuner | takahiro: what kind of data is on the HD? |
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| 05:19.07 | EdLin | mhall: as apt-getable repositories? |
| 05:19.10 | mhall | VivekVC: _WHAT_ info? |
| 05:19.33 | takahiro | streuner: just a bunch of .jpg files |
| 05:19.42 | rue_mohr | ok, my window list used to be on a litte side thing that could be toggled back and forth... |
| 05:19.44 | mhall | EdLin: It certainly appears to to me. |
| 05:19.53 | mhall | EdLin: But maybe I'm mistaken in my analysis. |
| 05:19.54 | takahiro | streuner: if i type cp /mnt/home/tak/photos/* /home/tak/photos, i get an error on the third .jpg file with an i/o error |
| 05:20.02 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 05:20.02 | dpkg | well, i/o error is if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. |
| 05:20.05 | rue_mohr | anyone know how to put that back? |
| 05:20.07 | VivekVC | mhall: On which channel(s) here on freenode are debian bug squashing parties held ? |
| 05:20.07 | EdLin | mhall: just because it has debs there doesn't mean there's repositories older than the current oldstable |
| 05:20.13 | takahiro | what??? |
| 05:20.17 | takahiro | i already KNOW the disk is bad |
| 05:20.20 | takahiro | im trying to get the data off the disk |
| 05:20.25 | takahiro | or as much of the data as possible |
| 05:20.32 | takahiro | but the cp command refuses to ignore errors |
| 05:20.33 | mhall | VivekVC: #debian-bugs for one |
| 05:20.37 | streuner | !info recoverjpeg |
| 05:20.41 | takahiro | and i dont want to have to type cp for individual files |
| 05:20.53 | dpkg | recoverjpeg: (Recover jpeg pictures from a filesystem image), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.1.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 18 kB |
| 05:20.59 | takahiro | streuner: i dont care about the jpg files that are corrupt or unrecoverable, but i want to be able to get as much as possible |
| 05:21.04 | rue_mohr | I want enlightenment back |
| 05:21.05 | mhall | takahiro: Use a shell loop. |
| 05:21.08 | EdLin | takahiro: write a script that does an action if cp returns a failure errror level. |
| 05:21.09 | be0wulf__ | takahiro: dd? |
| 05:21.13 | takahiro | why? |
| 05:21.15 | EdLin | s/rrr/rr |
| 05:21.18 | VivekVC | mhall: I am in #debian-bugs and the channel says it is not a bug reporting channel was i was a bit confused. |
| 05:21.19 | takahiro | that makes no sense |
| 05:21.24 | takahiro | i just want to run cp and have it ignore errors |
| 05:21.30 | Guerin | takahiro: for file in *.jpg; do cp $file /badgers ; done |
| 05:21.30 | mhall | takahiro: for file in *; do cp $file <some_dir>; done; |
| 05:21.33 | EdLin | takahiro: run cp in such a script |
| 05:21.33 | Guerin | takahiro: can it? |
| 05:21.39 | VivekVC | mhall: which other channels are used for bug sqashing. |
| 05:21.40 | Guerin | mhall: heh |
| 05:21.44 | mhall | takahiro: That way it will try its best to run separately on each file. |
| 05:21.47 | takahiro | how do I make it ignore errors? |
| 05:21.51 | mhall | Guerin: :-) |
| 05:21.55 | Guerin | takahiro: rtfm |
| 05:21.55 | takahiro | without a script |
| 05:21.58 | VivekVC | mhall: Thanks for your help :) |
| 05:22.02 | mhall | takahiro: You can't just make it ignore errors. |
| 05:22.03 | takahiro | i looked at the man page for cp |
| 05:22.07 | takahiro | there is no flag to ignore errors |
| 05:22.11 | mhall | VivekVC: That's the one I know about. |
| 05:22.12 | takahiro | how do i make it ignore errors? |
| 05:22.15 | Guerin | info coreutils cp |
| 05:22.17 | EdLin | takahiro: those for loops are simple enough, use them! |
| 05:22.21 | streuner | takahiro: of course not |
| 05:22.24 | VivekVC | mhall: ok |
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| 05:22.26 | mhall | VivekVC: Perhaps google debian bug squashing irc freenode for me. |
| 05:22.28 | Guerin | takahiro: it may not be able to |
| 05:22.32 | mhall | VivekVC: more* |
| 05:22.38 | michan | EdLin: I think one of the problems might when I run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" it doesn't autodetect anything about my video card. i'm using debian 3.1 now, and when i tried this in ubuntu it did autodetect my video card (although i still couldn't get the drivers to install correctly) |
| 05:22.38 | Guerin | takahiro: you'll find out by reading the fucking documentation |
| 05:22.45 | streuner | takahiro: what kind of sense would it make copy errors? |
| 05:22.50 | mhall | VivekVC: Also I'm not the most expert at answering this question since I've not yet attended one. |
| 05:22.57 | takahiro | streuner: what? |
| 05:22.59 | GRANTS | Tut-Tut. There is no need for profanity. |
| 05:23.07 | takahiro | streuner: photo004.jpg doesn't have any errors |
| 05:23.11 | mhall | VivekVC: If you need a more comprehensive answer I would consider posting onto debian-project@lists.debian.org |
| 05:23.20 | takahiro | streuner: but since it fails on the third photo, it doesn't even TRY to copy the next file |
| 05:23.22 | EdLin | michan: unset or comment out dri and GLcore |
| 05:23.28 | VivekVC | mhall: ok |
| 05:23.31 | EdLin | michan: change "nv" to "nvidia" |
| 05:23.33 | Guerin | takahiro: ok, here's the deal. If cp can't get the data off the disk, it errors out. Simple. |
| 05:23.34 | mhall | VivekVC: Keep in mind that hackers on the list will make fun of you if the question is not phrased well. |
| 05:23.34 | takahiro | streuner: how do i make it keep going? |
| 05:23.51 | takahiro | Guerin: that's perfectly fine... i just want it to keep going and try the NEXT file |
| 05:23.52 | mhall | VivekVC: Not saying you're a bad phraser, etc. Just a fair warning / word to the wise. |
| 05:23.55 | EdLin | michan: there may be additional steps, consult the manual. |
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| 05:24.00 | streuner | takahiro: try one of those scripts already mentioned, scroll up |
| 05:24.02 | Guerin | takahiro: if you can't find an 'ignore errors' setting in TFM, then it evidently doesn't have one, so look at another method |
| 05:24.03 | takahiro | Geurin: i dont care if most of the photos are unrecoverable |
| 05:24.11 | Guerin | takahiro: so use a fucking loop like you've been told |
| 05:24.13 | VivekVC | mhall: ok |
| 05:24.15 | takahiro | Guerin: what other method? |
| 05:24.20 | takahiro | a loop won't work |
| 05:24.22 | mhall | takahiro: cp is incapable of ignoring errors |
| 05:24.24 | takahiro | there are too many variables |
| 05:24.25 | Guerin | takahiro: why not? |
| 05:24.30 | mhall | takahiro: you did not even try it |
| 05:24.32 | Guerin | takahiro: bullshit |
| 05:24.33 | takahiro | some of the jpg files are in sub directories |
| 05:24.37 | mhall | takahiro: the errors are from the kernel |
| 05:24.41 | Guerin | takahiro: use find |
| 05:24.42 | EdLin | takahiro: then use find |
| 05:24.46 | EdLin | !beer Guerin |
| 05:24.51 | Guerin | takahiro: use multiple nested for loops if you want |
| 05:24.51 | takahiro | if find fails, it will stop |
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| 05:24.59 | takahiro | the problem with any command is that it will fail |
| 05:25.08 | Guerin | this is not rocket science, this is file recovery 101 |
| 05:25.14 | takahiro | it will find photo003.jpg and stop finding, stop listing, stop copying, stop doing anything |
| 05:25.18 | EdLin | takahiro: that's where making a script that handles exceptions comes in. |
| 05:25.29 | mhall | takahiro: with a for loop this won't happen |
| 05:25.37 | mhall | takahiro: because it will move to the next command |
| 05:25.45 | Guerin | takahiro: are you saying that failure to copy a file will hang your system? |
| 05:25.45 | bob2 | wtf |
| 05:25.45 | mhall | takahiro: how many directories are we talking about |
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| 05:25.51 | michan | EdLin: i did all that. if i change it back to how it was (loading the old modules and changing nvidia back to nv) X starts at least, but i don't get openGL. it seems like the drivers are installed correctly, they just don't work. when it crashes after i try starting x, the logs don't even give an error message |
| 05:25.52 | takahiro | mhall: but the for loop operates on a list of files, and the list of files are only 001, 002, and that's it... since 003 failed |
| 05:26.04 | EdLin | takahiro: FFS, do what we are telling you to do or shut up because we are wasting your time and ours. |
| 05:26.06 | Guerin | takahiro: nope. |
| 05:26.10 | streuner | Guerin: historically who had any thought about this problem at all? backup and restore, done.... |
| 05:26.26 | takahiro | is there a command that lists all the files, even if one fails? |
| 05:26.27 | mhall | takahiro: it should not stop at 003 unless you tell it to check the return value for failure |
| 05:26.28 | Guerin | streuner: right. But even *I* don't back up ALL my shit. |
| 05:26.46 | mhall | streuner: I have hundreds of GB of data. |
| 05:26.47 | streuner | Guerin: i don't backup my pr0n too ;-) |
| 05:26.50 | takahiro | is there another way to do it? |
| 05:26.52 | takahiro | one without a script? |
| 05:27.03 | Guerin | streuner: i have all my pron backed up in meatspace |
| 05:27.03 | mhall | streuner: The only way to back it up would be a duplicate set of disks. |
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| 05:27.15 | EdLin | takahiro: if you don't like scripts you've chosen the wrong operating system |
| 05:27.17 | Guerin | takahiro: there's a million ways to do anything. |
| 05:27.22 | mhall | My backup plan for loss of pr0n is finding a real girlfriend. |
| 05:27.31 | streuner | hah |
| 05:27.32 | Guerin | takahiro: you've been told the easiest way, now go and do it. |
| 05:27.32 | takahiro | how can I copy my files from my old bad HDD to my new clean drive? |
| 05:27.45 | Guerin | mhall: that's what I mean by meatspace - i have a wife. |
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| 05:27.59 | mhall | Guerin: Good for you. |
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| 05:28.02 | Guerin | mhall: non-meatspace pr0n is a waste of time. |
| 05:28.10 | rue_mohr | takahiro, go to |
| 05:28.13 | mfrisch | A OH |
| 05:28.16 | mhall | Guerin: I'd rather like one but females do not like my personality. |
| 05:28.18 | streuner | mhall: we are talking about technical problems (not philosophical) |
| 05:28.21 | streuner | ;-) |
| 05:28.22 | Guerin | goodamn, the Farce is trong in this one. |
| 05:28.25 | da_bon_bon | how do i use dpkg to find out what version of amarok is there, in sid ? |
| 05:28.32 | mhall | streuner: Often the two spaces intersect. |
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| 05:28.43 | takahiro | is there a way to copy my files from an old bad HDD to a new clean drive, while ignoring any errors... a lost file is lost, so i'm not going to worry about it... but all the commands in linux will fail after the first error. i just want to have it automatically try to copy every single file. |
| 05:28.45 | rue_mohr | www.tldp.org and findhte harddrive upgrade howto |
| 05:28.45 | rue_mohr | it will tell you how to do it |
| 05:28.51 | mhall | streuner: We just happen to be in the middle of the great Venn diagram of culture. |
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| 05:29.09 | takahiro | rue_mohr: it doesn't explain how to ignore i/o errors |
| 05:29.10 | Guerin | !different answer |
| 05:29.11 | dpkg | You only get one answer per question. You've had yours. If you want a different answer, ask a different question. Thank you for your cooperation, HAND. |
| 05:29.12 | llama32 | what's a word meaning both move and resize? |
| 05:29.23 | takahiro | can someone help me? |
| 05:29.28 | da_bon_bon | !amarok in sid |
| 05:29.31 | EdLin | !someone |
| 05:29.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:29.35 | Guerin | takahiro: you're too fucking stupid to do this. if you pay me US$100 and give me root access on your machine, i'll fix it for you. |
| 05:29.39 | takahiro | i asked my real question all day |
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| 05:29.43 | michan | takahiro: have you tried "cp -R *"? or read the cp man files? |
| 05:29.47 | Guerin | takahiro: and you got your real answer. |
| 05:29.47 | mhall | takahiro: Can you honestly state that you really did try the for loop? |
| 05:29.59 | mhall | takahiro: Because I suspect we are being trolled or something. |
| 05:30.06 | takahiro | michan: cp FAILS on the THIRD file... and refuses to continue even though there are many more recoverable files on the disk |
| 05:30.10 | EdLin | mhall: for loops and scripts are too scary... |
| 05:30.11 | Gnea | takahiro: and all day you didn't get a single answer that you couldn't follow up on? |
| 05:30.16 | mhall | takahiro: I've used the for loop technique before and it worked. |
| 05:30.25 | takahiro | mhall: i need a method that doesn't require a script |
| 05:30.31 | Guerin | takahiro: no, you don't. |
| 05:30.34 | mhall | takahiro: I'm ignoring you unless you will state flat out whether you ACTUALLY TRIED IT. |
| 05:30.38 | Gnea | takahiro: so then the sector is bad, yer fucked |
| 05:30.38 | Guerin | takahiro: you think you do, but you don't. |
| 05:30.44 | takahiro | it's impossible to do it with a script |
| 05:30.54 | mhall | takahiro: Alright, I've had it. FUCK YOU! I'm tired of your shit. *PLONK* |
| 05:30.56 | Guerin | takahiro: NOTHING is impossible to do with a script. |
| 05:31.01 | Gnea | hey guys |
| 05:31.03 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.11 | takahiro | can someone help me? |
| 05:31.15 | maher | Guerin: can you solve the halting problem with a script? |
| 05:31.15 | bob2 | takahiro: enough |
| 05:31.19 | Guerin | takahiro: i offered you help above |
| 05:31.23 | Gnea | takahiro: no, now go away or you shall be taunted a second time. |
| 05:31.23 | bob2 | takahiro: you either be coherent, or go away |
| 05:31.30 | Guerin | takahiro: $100 is cheap for data recovery |
| 05:31.35 | takahiro | *sigh* |
| 05:31.46 | mhall | Guerin: /ignorance is bliss |
| 05:31.50 | liable | Guerin: or i will fart in your general direction :) |
| 05:31.53 | takahiro | i haven't even explained my problem fully and you guys are answering my question |
| 05:31.57 | Guerin | mhall: i don't ignore people, I make them ignore me. |
| 05:32.03 | bob2 | takahiro: so stop whinging, and explain it |
| 05:32.06 | takahiro | i am trying to copy files, but my original disk has i/o errors |
| 05:32.09 | Gnea | takahiro: you asked for help and you got it. if it wasn't what you were looking for, then it's up to you to get used to the environment, not the other way around. obviously you don't need the help that badly. |
| 05:32.10 | Guerin | WE KNOW |
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| 05:32.28 | Gnea | takahiro: YES BUT THAT'S ALL YOU SAY YOU DON'T GET TECHNICAL |
| 05:32.29 | takahiro | i have a new disk, which is fine |
| 05:32.33 | Gnea | !tell takahiro about ask |
| 05:32.43 | takahiro | so i'm trying to copy the files from the bad disk to the new disk |
| 05:32.46 | Gnea | takahiro: now shut up and quit your bitching before you get banned. |
| 05:32.49 | Guerin | mhall: which halting problem? |
| 05:32.53 | Guerin | maher: ^^ |
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| 05:32.55 | jm_ | yeah everyone, you MUST answer his questions, after all, he's paying you |
| 05:32.57 | takahiro | the bad disk is not 100% dead, it only has a few errors |
| 05:33.06 | bob2 | takahiro: explaining on a single line would be way less irritating |
| 05:33.07 | bob2 | this |
| 05:33.08 | takahiro | so i am able to mount the bad disk as /mnt |
| 05:33.10 | Guerin | takahiro: none of this is unclear. |
| 05:33.11 | EdLin | takahiro: try the foor loop with find |
| 05:33.12 | maher | Guerin: telling whether a turing machine will halt |
| 05:33.15 | EdLin | s/foor/for |
| 05:33.17 | mhall | jm_: I would except I don't seem to be seeing them. |
| 05:33.23 | mhall | jm_: Must be a connection fault. |
| 05:33.25 | Gnea | !tell takahiro about rules |
| 05:33.26 | Guerin | maher: bah. |
| 05:33.27 | jm_ | mhall: heh |
| 05:33.30 | bob2 | takahiro: none of this seems to be incompatible with cp in a for loop |
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| 05:33.51 | streuner | (Why would someone invented backup and restore? Just for fun...) |
| 05:33.55 | takahiro | im not done explaining |
| 05:34.05 | bob2 | takahiro: so, stop this crap |
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| 05:34.10 | Gnea | streuner: backup and restore works great |
| 05:34.18 | bob2 | takahiro: compose a single coherent paragraph explaining your issue, then say that |
| 05:34.29 | Guerin | Gnea: it's just that the second part fails if you don't do the first part |
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| 05:34.33 | takahiro | i need a way to copy the files from the old hard disk drive to the new one, while ignoring errors, and not having to use complex scripts and all of that |
| 05:34.52 | Guerin | takahiro: there are no complex scripts involved. Only simple ones. |
| 05:35.01 | Gnea | Guerin: that is painfully true. |
| 05:35.12 | bob2 | takahiro: cp in a for loop |
| 05:35.14 | michan | so uhh... i still can't get my nvidia drivers working. i followed the detailed howto that dpkg told me about exactly, and when i boot up it just freezes at a black screen. and when i try installing the official nvidia drivers, X gives an error and fails to start. can anyone help me troubleshoot it? |
| 05:35.18 | bob2 | takahiro: now stop being so annoying |
| 05:35.23 | mhall | michan: Hmm. |
| 05:35.27 | mhall | michan: Let's see. |
| 05:35.37 | takahiro | if i use a script, it will take me many months learning scripting and the problem is, without a linux box to even use during the time when im learning how to script the recovery, i wont be able to learn how to script the recovery until after i've recovered it |
| 05:35.46 | Gnea | michan: yeah, don't use the official .run script, that just messes it all up |
| 05:35.50 | bob2 | takahiro: no, stop talking |
| 05:35.52 | Guerin | 14:21:13 < Guerin> takahiro: for file in *.jpg; do cp $file /badgers ; done |
| 05:35.54 | mhall | michan: It's odd that it would freeze on boot because the drivers are for X only. |
| 05:35.57 | takahiro | so i need some way to copy it without scripts |
| 05:36.05 | mhall | michan: One trick that works for me 100%. |
| 05:36.05 | bob2 | takahiro: Guerin gave you the EXACT solution |
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| 05:36.10 | Guerin | takahiro: change 'badgers' to 'wherever you want your data to end up' |
| 05:36.14 | michan | mhall: it boots up but i think it freezes when it tries to load X |
| 05:36.15 | takahiro | bob2: that doesn't copy files in subdirectories |
| 05:36.18 | Guerin | takahiro: that was 15 MINUTES AGO |
| 05:36.21 | Gnea | !ops takahiro trolling for help and not following direction for a long, long time. |
| 05:36.21 | bob2 | takahiro: awwww |
| 05:36.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: takahiro trolling for help and not following direction for a long, long time. |
| 05:36.26 | mhall | michan: Ah alright. |
| 05:36.30 | mhall | Gnea: bob2 is op |
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| 05:36.36 | Gnea | mhall: oh i know. |
| 05:37.01 | mhall | michan: What I would try would be to download nvidia's run file. |
| 05:37.03 | streuner | if he want to ban him, he already did... |
| 05:37.08 | mhall | michan: One sec. |
| 05:37.11 | takahiro | how can i write a recovery script if i dont know how to write scripts? |
| 05:37.12 | streuner | would do it* |
| 05:37.15 | bob2 | takahiro: shut up |
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| 05:37.37 | michan | mhall: alright. i already tried downloading nvidia's run file, and running it. it compiled the kernel module and everything, but then when i startx it gives an error and closes x |
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| 05:38.03 | Guerin | all that for a bunch of pr0n he can just download again anyhow |
| 05:38.12 | Gnea | rofl |
| 05:38.14 | sep | michan, wrong ! you dont use the nvidia executable on linux /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 05:38.17 | streuner | jpegs? |
| 05:38.18 | michan | takahiro: i don't know how to write scripts either, but it really can't be very hard |
| 05:38.21 | Guerin | well, maybe not |
| 05:38.27 | Guerin | he might be a photographer |
| 05:38.29 | Gnea | Guerin: kinda makes ya wonder if he actually paid for it or not |
| 05:38.32 | sep | s/linux/debian/ |
| 05:38.33 | streuner | Guerin: some personal files prolly... |
| 05:38.38 | michan | sep: yeah, but i tried the other way first. i only did that because the debian package way was failing |
| 05:38.38 | mhall | michan: Not quite what you want to try. |
| 05:38.43 | Gnea | no way, photographers are more intelligent than that |
| 05:38.50 | streuner | hah |
| 05:38.52 | sep | michan, i'v never ever had the nvidia one liner fail me. |
| 05:38.53 | mhall | michan: I will mesagae you because the channel is a little busy to explain this ok. |
| 05:38.53 | bob2 | takahiro: tar --ignore-failed-read -cf /wherver/your/crap/is | (cd /wherver/your/crap/should/be ; tar -cf -) |
| 05:38.54 | Guerin | Gnea: you haven't met some of the photographers I have |
| 05:39.05 | Gnea | Guerin: they must not be from rochester :) |
| 05:39.10 | sep | michan, are you sure you havent done something wrong, or failed to met some requierments |
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| 05:39.16 | Guerin | Gnea: oddly, they're not. |
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| 05:39.47 | Mak | hello people |
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| 05:40.05 | sep | michan, read /msg dpkg nvidia installer or why you dont want to use that installer |
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| 05:40.12 | michan | mhall: alright. i can't msg you cause i'm not registered, but ok |
| 05:40.20 | Gnea | Guerin: that was sarcasm, of course - but yeah, i realize there are idiots everywhere - but your idea makes a bit of sense, in that he just kept going and going and going |
| 05:40.22 | Esp1 | what is the command for making the nic to get an ip from dhcp? |
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| 05:40.37 | streuner | Esp1: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 05:40.39 | mhall | michan: I didn't want it all to scroll off-screen before you could read. |
| 05:40.44 | Gnea | !tell Esp1 about interfaces |
| 05:41.08 | michan | sep: yeah, i did read it. the howto said that sometimes it works better for people to just use the official installer though, so i thought i'd give it a try |
| 05:41.13 | michan | mhall: alright, i'll go try doing that |
| 05:41.24 | mhall | michan: I know that there are official debian methods but this one is the one that always worked for me. |
| 05:41.54 | mhall | michan: Keep in mind that if you dist-upgrade the X core packages without re running the make install, X might not start. |
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| 05:42.10 | Guerin | what time is it in texas now? |
| 05:42.12 | da_bon_bon | hey.. anyone using mplayer-X86 have the problem that the gui osd has buttons, but no text on them ? |
| 05:42.16 | da_bon_bon | from marillat |
| 05:42.22 | mhall | michan: In general reinstalling with the Makefile will re-overwrite the upgraded files placed by the Debian package manager. |
| 05:42.22 | michan | mhall: alright. i'll try that and tell you if it works |
| 05:42.29 | mhall | Guerin: 1:42 AM I'd say. |
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| 05:42.41 | mhall | Guerin: Perhaps 12:42 AM in West area. |
| 05:42.47 | streuner | mhall: prolly 1 hour vs. CA... |
| 05:42.52 | Guerin | mhall: bah - another 7 or so hours before my server is back to full speed |
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| 05:42.56 | mhall | streuner: No. |
| 05:42.59 | da_bon_bon | also, i am on testing. why dont i have the "apt-key" program ? |
| 05:43.04 | streuner | heh |
| 05:43.17 | Guerin | one of the ram sticks in the host box went down - the colo didn't have any spares, so it's up at half ram until the morning |
| 05:43.23 | mhall | streuner: 1-2 hours ahead. Texas is on Mountain / Central zone. |
| 05:43.30 | mhall | Guerin: I'm on crack and miscalculated. |
| 05:43.43 | mhall | Guerin: I meant 11:42 PM and 12:42 AM. |
| 05:43.51 | Guerin | even better |
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| 05:44.01 | da_bon_bon | doesnt apt update itself automatically ? |
| 05:44.03 | mhall | Guerin: apologies |
| 05:44.07 | mhall | streuner: apologies to you too |
| 05:44.17 | streuner | da_bon_bon: no |
| 05:44.37 | michan | mhall: i'm gonna try launching x now. i might have to leave the channel, but i'll be back to tell you if it works |
| 05:44.38 | da_bon_bon | streuner: ok... why so ? |
| 05:44.39 | be0wulf__ | ah jep now i have an easy question |
| 05:44.39 | mhall | Guerin: That's not very good of them. |
| 05:44.42 | Esp1 | I know all the stuff dpkg told me about nics and dhcp......i need to do the commands for troubbleshootin....becouse one of my nics dont get a dhcp.... |
| 05:44.42 | mhall | Guerin: wtf? |
| 05:44.51 | mhall | michan: Alright I'll be here for a bit. |
| 05:44.52 | ke6isf | da_bon_bon: it's not in its nature. |
| 05:45.03 | da_bon_bon | hey.. i cant find apt 0.6 in the repos |
| 05:45.07 | da_bon_bon | it is not in testing ? |
| 05:45.17 | streuner | da_bon_bon: the idea is, most sysadmins wanna know whats going on... |
| 05:45.22 | be0wulf__ | i forgot again where to put the command to execute my iptablesscript during the startup |
| 05:46.04 | streuner | da_bon_bon: apt-get upgrade process starts sometimes to install NEW packages as well |
| 05:46.08 | da_bon_bon | streuner: i meant "does apt update apt when i run a dist-upgrade" .. doesi t ? |
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| 05:46.12 | da_bon_bon | *does iot |
| 05:46.52 | streuner | da_bon_bon: so you dist-upgrade from woody to sarge? |
| 05:46.53 | mhall | da_bon_bon: There is this package cron-apt |
| 05:46.57 | liable | grrr, what is it in sshd conf that disallows password auth? (and funnily enough its not passwordauthentication no :) |
| 05:47.07 | michan | mhall: when i tried to startx it just gave me the error "API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7174, but this X module is 1.0.7676. Please be sure that your kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version." maybe i should uninstall the nvidia deb packages first and try again? |
| 05:47.16 | mhall | liable: You have to disable the Keyboard Interactive mode also. |
| 05:47.30 | mhall | liable: I do not know the particulars of how but I know it must be done. |
| 05:47.43 | da_bon_bon | streuner: no, installed debian stable, and dist-upgraded to etch |
| 05:47.46 | mhall | liable: Otherwise it will allow keyboard interactive when password does not work. |
| 05:48.10 | mhall | michan: OK, you've almost got it. The key would be removing anything conflicting and trying again. |
| 05:48.14 | streuner | da_bon_bon: well, cron-apt then, but i don't recommend it. |
| 05:48.19 | liable | mhall: hrm, ok, looking |
| 05:48.20 | be0wulf__ | ou |
| 05:48.35 | michan | mhall: ok, i'll go look through the howto and figure out what i need to remove, then try again |
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| 05:48.57 | mhall | michan: My tip would be dpkg --get-selections | fgrep -i nvidia |
| 05:49.16 | mhall | michan: Then when you see familiar packages in the list, dpkg --purge them. |
| 05:49.17 | be0wulf__ | commands in which file get executed on startup? |
| 05:49.28 | mhall | michan: Or apt-get remove --purge them. |
| 05:49.33 | be0wulf__ | need to launch my iptablesscript |
| 05:50.10 | Punko | utro :) |
| 05:50.29 | be0wulf__ | any1? |
| 05:50.31 | da_bon_bon | streuner: what cron-apt ? |
| 05:50.46 | streuner | !info cron-apt |
| 05:50.48 | dpkg | cron-apt: (automatic update of packages using apt-get), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3.1 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 05:51.07 | liable | ah, disable challenge response.. |
| 05:51.21 | be0wulf__ | i'm sure there is smb who can tell me an answer to that |
| 05:51.24 | mhall | liable: Did I give you anything usefully googleable? |
| 05:51.44 | mhall | liable: I tried my best but I move around so much I'm never able to go without password authentication. |
| 05:52.00 | da_bon_bon | streuner: i dont need cron-apt.. i want to know whether apt updates apt when i do a dist-upgrade |
| 05:52.09 | da_bon_bon | i do upgrades myself |
| 05:52.31 | mhall | da_bon_bon: If a new apt package is available apt will update itself. |
| 05:52.36 | da_bon_bon | ok, mhall |
| 05:52.47 | da_bon_bon | and dpkg told me that apt 0.6 is only in unstable |
| 05:52.56 | mhall | da_bon_bon: The way your question was worded before did not make it clear to me that that was the answer you were looking for. |
| 05:53.04 | mhall | da_bon_bon: There is however something that can be done. |
| 05:53.08 | liable | mhall: i got it with the challenge response bit, i knew it was in there somewhere but couldnt remember, couldnt find anything about keyboard interactive. thanks though. |
| 05:53.13 | da_bon_bon | mhall: ok.. my bad. |
| 05:53.16 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Namely, you can build it yourself from source. |
| 05:53.28 | mhall | !tell da_bon_bon about source |
| 05:53.53 | da_bon_bon | mhall: yes. i will compile mplayer from source |
| 05:54.00 | mhall | da_bon_bon: The principle would be, add the unstable source line to sources.list |
| 05:54.02 | mhall | da_bon_bon: deb-src http://mirrors2.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 05:54.03 | be0wulf__ | thank u very much i found bootmisc.sh myself now |
| 05:54.16 | streuner | da_bon_bon: only kernel-images wouldn't upgrade in process... |
| 05:54.17 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Then apt-get source apt |
| 05:54.25 | da_bon_bon | but i want to know how to make a package. |
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| 05:54.30 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Then apt-get build-dep apt |
| 05:54.44 | da_bon_bon | mhall: if i want to compile a package not in the repos, how do i go about making a deb package ? checkinstall ? |
| 05:54.50 | da_bon_bon | streuner: why doesnt apt update kernels ? |
| 05:54.58 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Then apt-get install build-essential |
| 05:55.11 | da_bon_bon | i have build essential |
| 05:55.12 | streuner | da_bon_bon: security reasons |
| 05:55.24 | da_bon_bon | streuner: ok. i build my own kernels, anyway |
| 05:55.25 | mhall | da_bon_bon: For this you will need the build-essential stuff, then you will need a source tree with a debian directory in it. |
| 05:55.26 | da_bon_bon | :) |
| 05:55.37 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Once you have the debian directory you are nearly home free. |
| 05:55.47 | da_bon_bon | mhall: is checkinstall a good option ? |
| 05:55.59 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Use debian/rules binary inside the tree to make the deb files. |
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| 05:56.17 | VicCode | spanish |
| 05:56.32 | streuner | german |
| 05:56.37 | mhall | da_bon_bon: If you do not have a debian directory in the source, your best bet is generally to install the package using its official install system into /usr/local |
| 05:56.43 | mhall | !tell VicCode about spanish |
| 05:57.01 | da_bon_bon | mhall: :( unclean installs :( why not use checkinstall ? |
| 05:57.08 | mhall | streuner: no trolling the n00bs |
| 05:57.42 | streuner | mhall: even n00bs are able to speak a whole sentence |
| 05:57.42 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Debian leaves /usr/local empty for a reason. |
| 05:57.49 | streuner | !mhallsmite mhall |
| 05:57.50 | dpkg | Fuck mhall. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
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| 05:58.06 | da_bon_bon | mhall: ok.. thanks |
| 05:58.10 | mhall | da_bon_bon: So you can use it for these situations. |
| 05:58.13 | streuner | !tell root_ about root |
| 05:58.19 | mhall | da_bon_bon: But hey, try checkinstall and see if it works. |
| 05:58.19 | da_bon_bon | ok. |
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| 05:58.34 | mhall | da_bon_bon: If it does, let me know. I never tried it. |
| 05:58.46 | mhall | da_bon_bon: What are you trying to build from source? |
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| 05:59.11 | da_bon_bon | mhall: mplayer. i want my customized plugins and codecs, and the marillat one doesnt work for me. |
| 05:59.19 | mhall | da_bon_bon: doesn't work? |
| 05:59.41 | emm | hello |
| 05:59.47 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Get the marillat source and use their debian dir. |
| 05:59.51 | da_bon_bon | yes. the buttons have no captions. the file browser is borked. many other problems, mhall |
| 05:59.53 | liable | da_bon_bon: have you even tried a new skin for it? |
| 05:59.58 | mhall | da_bon_bon: deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main |
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| 06:00.19 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Or install into /usr/local using --prefix=/usr/local to configure. |
| 06:00.36 | da_bon_bon | liable: no. its difficult to gues the skin name when no font is used :) |
| 06:00.38 | emm | hello |
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| 06:01.38 | mhall | da_bon_bon: What special plugins and codecs are you trying to use? |
| 06:01.45 | da_bon_bon | hell! sooo many packages have no install candidate :( |
| 06:01.57 | da_bon_bon | mhall: amr. |
| 06:02.02 | mhall | My experience with mplayer is that it's so frightfully buggy I cannot even use it now matter how I compiled it. |
| 06:02.14 | da_bon_bon | but mainly i want to build from source for gtk2 menus. the cvs version. |
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| 06:02.20 | mhall | I can't believe people say it is as great as they say it is. |
| 06:02.28 | da_bon_bon | mhall: i have always used my compiled mplayer, on other distros |
| 06:02.29 | mhall | da_bon_bon: I think the CVS tree has a debian directory. |
| 06:02.42 | da_bon_bon | mhall: which media player do you use ? |
| 06:02.50 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Xine / kaffeine. |
| 06:03.07 | da_bon_bon | mhall: where did you get xine-ui from ? that package too, has no install candidate |
| 06:03.14 | emm | kuyi |
| 06:03.14 | emm | iky]= |
| 06:03.15 | emm | \ |
| 06:03.16 | mhall | People claim it's missing features that mplayer has, but I never had this problem. |
| 06:03.20 | mhall | da_bon_bon: ! odd |
| 06:03.27 | da_bon_bon | mhall: E: Package xine-ui has no installation candidate |
| 06:03.27 | mhall | da_bon_bon: What debian version are you running? |
| 06:03.27 | streuner | !info xine-ui etch |
| 06:03.35 | da_bon_bon | mhall: testing. |
| 06:03.45 | emm | nothing |
| 06:03.50 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Hmm works for me in unstable. |
| 06:03.55 | streuner | <dpkg> Package 'xine-ui' does not exist. |
| 06:04.08 | da_bon_bon | doesnt exist |
| 06:04.08 | emm | really |
| 06:04.09 | da_bon_bon | :( |
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| 06:04.24 | streuner | !info vlc etch |
| 06:04.26 | mhall | da_bon_bon: one second, am investigating my setup |
| 06:04.29 | da_bon_bon | mhall: you run an unstable system ? with kde34 and amarok 1.3 ? great! |
| 06:04.29 | emm | why |
| 06:04.30 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1.svn20050314-1 (etch), Packaged size: 5106 kB, Installed size: 12944 kB |
| 06:04.41 | emm | of course not |
| 06:05.19 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Yeah it works beautifully. |
| 06:05.24 | mwilson | People voluntarily use amarok? |
| 06:05.30 | emm | how |
| 06:05.37 | da_bon_bon | mwilson: yes. souldnt they ? |
| 06:05.47 | emm | no |
| 06:05.53 | mhall | mwilson: lol I've tested it out but it's not amenable to the way my stuff is organized |
| 06:05.53 | da_bon_bon | mhall: bleh! then why is there no such package in etch ? :( |
| 06:05.58 | mwilson | It's a KDE app. |
| 06:05.59 | emm | wat s ur name |
| 06:06.04 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Please give me a minute ok. |
| 06:06.10 | da_bon_bon | mwilson: you dont like kde ? |
| 06:06.10 | mhall | da_bon_bon: I'm trying to sort out the problem. |
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| 06:06.18 | da_bon_bon | ok, mhall |
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| 06:06.25 | emm | wat s ur problem |
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| 06:06.26 | streuner | emm: Are you a bot? |
| 06:06.26 | da_bon_bon | mhall: are you a developer ? |
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| 06:06.32 | da_bon_bon | emag: info |
| 06:06.32 | emm | no |
| 06:06.43 | emm | hey |
| 06:06.48 | mozez | hi, where can i get the source files to the linux kernel? |
| 06:06.48 | da_bon_bon | emm: help |
| 06:06.49 | streuner | emm: so use a whole sentence |
| 06:06.49 | mhall | da_bon_bon: No I'm not. |
| 06:06.51 | mwilson | da_bon_bon: Actual functionality is usually way down the list for a KDE app, if it's even on the list at all. |
| 06:07.12 | da_bon_bon | mhall: ok. then what did you mean by "I'm trying to sort out the problem." ? |
| 06:07.15 | mhall | da_bon_bon: I probably could be if I really felt like it but I've not found the proper place for me to contribute just yet. |
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| 06:07.33 | mhall | da_bon_bon: I'm poking around my own system to figure out exactly how to make yours work. |
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| 06:07.36 | Guerin | mozez: google that exact question and you'll get your answer |
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| 06:07.52 | emm | how |
| 06:07.56 | mhall | da_bon_bon: But first I had to let dist-upgrade finish so I can access my package database again. |
| 06:07.59 | mozez | guerin, i get an ass load of hits.. wonderin if anyone had a direct link |
| 06:08.02 | liable | emm: this is not a kiddie chat channel, please go elsewhere. |
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| 06:08.11 | emm | ok |
| 06:08.13 | Guerin | mozez: the first one is pretty obvious |
| 06:08.18 | da_bon_bon | mhall: i think i will get xine-ui from sarge |
| 06:08.20 | emm | ha? |
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| 06:08.45 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Or unstable. |
| 06:08.46 | da_bon_bon | mhall: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=xine-ui no entry for wtch here, either |
| 06:08.55 | torc | is VNC the best free remote desktop solution with Linux\Windows hosts? |
| 06:08.56 | emm | ho |
| 06:08.57 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Unstable and testing are pretty similar to each other usually. |
| 06:09.07 | emm | oh really |
| 06:09.21 | Guerin | mhall: come on, don't tell people to use unstable. You know better. |
| 06:09.25 | Guerin | or you should. |
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| 06:09.35 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Probably the developer did not upload it to etch yet. |
| 06:09.39 | mhall | Guerin: I wasn't. |
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| 06:09.51 | mhall | Guerin: I was telling him to use unstable's xine-ui package. |
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| 06:09.56 | streuner | dpkg, why is xine-ui not in testing? |
| 06:09.57 | dpkg | xine-ui is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xine-ui |
| 06:09.59 | da_bon_bon | mhall: but xine-ui is same version in both.. you think i should create an apt pin ? |
| 06:10.14 | streuner | da_bon_bon: no |
| 06:10.20 | da_bon_bon | streuner: ok. why ? |
| 06:10.23 | streuner | da_bon_bon: xine is broken in unstable |
| 06:10.51 | mhall | da_bon_bon: No I'd use the ghetto method: wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xine-ui/xine-ui_0.99.3-1.1_i386.deb and dpkg -i it |
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| 06:10.56 | mhall | streuner: ? it works for me |
| 06:10.59 | streuner | so just use mplayer or vlc or whatever |
| 06:11.02 | emm | but y/ |
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| 06:11.20 | streuner | mhall: good, you prolly need more investigations then... |
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| 06:11.31 | emm | hi |
| 06:11.37 | da_bon_bon | mhall: thats what i was doing, before i thought of pins :) |
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| 06:11.44 | emm | wat invistigation |
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| 06:11.48 | Breeder | how i can exclude some directories from tar? i've been trying and cant get it right :-\ help |
| 06:11.49 | da_bon_bon | emag: supybot version |
| 06:11.50 | emm | how |
| 06:11.51 | Guerin | works in unstable for me, too |
| 06:11.58 | mhall | streuner: I play a LOT of pr0n in it. |
| 06:12.01 | da_bon_bon | streuner: define broken ? |
| 06:12.03 | mhall | streuner: And never have a problem. |
| 06:12.05 | emm | what work |
| 06:12.16 | emm | a broken glass |
| 06:12.23 | jim | broken is barbie's brother |
| 06:12.25 | da_bon_bon | mhall: on an average, how frequently is sid updated ? |
| 06:12.36 | streuner | da_bon_bon: start xine-ui and click the right mouse to come into menu, it will fail |
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| 06:12.52 | mhall | da_bon_bon: There are new packages on my box daily. |
| 06:13.09 | emm | xhi |
| 06:13.10 | streuner | Dies ist xine (X11 gui) - Ein freier Video-Player v0.99.3. |
| 06:13.10 | streuner | (c) 2000-2004 Das xine Team. *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08126c89 *** |
| 06:13.25 | mhall | da_bon_bon: But for any one package, somewhere between 1 week to 1 month. |
| 06:13.36 | emm | gu |
| 06:13.40 | da_bon_bon | kinda, will sid be updated WHILE i am doing an list update , mhall ? |
| 06:13.52 | mhall | streuner: Yeah you're right. |
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| 06:14.00 | da_bon_bon | streuner: you use kde / gnome ? |
| 06:14.04 | streuner | no |
| 06:14.09 | mhall | streuner: You can get around it though. Use the kaffeine front end. |
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| 06:14.22 | mhall | da_bon_bon: No the refresh is once per day. |
| 06:14.24 | streuner | mhall: *shrug* |
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| 06:14.28 | shimano55 | Question, I just reinstalled Debian, and screwed up on the X-Window-System configuration. How can I run it again???? |
| 06:14.37 | mhall | da_bon_bon: So it's unlikely that sid would get updated on you that quickly. |
| 06:14.56 | jim | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:14.57 | streuner | shimano55: what videocard do you have? |
| 06:15.00 | jim | I guess |
| 06:15.04 | mhall | da_bon_bon: BTW it seems streuner is right about the bug, but you can probably get around it by using the kaffeine package as a front end. |
| 06:15.15 | shimano55 | streuner, its an Nvidia GeForce 2 |
| 06:15.27 | shimano55 | but I mostly screwed up on the screen resolutions |
| 06:15.29 | streuner | shimano55: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 06:15.39 | shimano55 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:15.50 | mhall | shimano55: Get it working in 2D mode first with the nv built-in driver. |
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| 06:16.02 | mhall | shimano55: Worry about 3D later once you have 2D working correctly. |
| 06:16.03 | liable | shimano55: just reconfigure it if you dont need the 3d driver. |
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| 06:16.25 | tawfik | Can you help me mounting my USB PenDrive please? |
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| 06:16.54 | mhall | tawfik: hmm usually those get put as a SCSI disk device |
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| 06:17.07 | mhall | tawfik: so i'd try, as root, mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 06:17.15 | da_bon_bon | mhall, streuner: i usually get that bug when something else is using the sound system, like arts |
| 06:17.16 | mhall | tawfik: and see if that works |
| 06:17.23 | da_bon_bon | mhall: xine-ui from sarge works |
| 06:17.25 | shimano55 | mhall,liable,streuner: All I want to do is add a larger resolution |
| 06:17.32 | mhall | da_bon_bon: sweet |
| 06:17.44 | tawfik | mhall:debian:/home/tawfik# mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 06:17.44 | tawfik | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 06:17.45 | mhall | shimano55: hand edit config file, copy and paste then |
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| 06:17.48 | liable | tawfik: /msg dpkg usbstorage |
| 06:17.51 | shimano55 | mhall, liable,streuner, the video card is working and all, im in Gnome |
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| 06:17.56 | streuner | shimano55: jim already told you, scroll up |
| 06:18.22 | shimano55 | streuner,mhall: Where is the config file? |
| 06:18.25 | jim | scroll uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup, scrollup for the mystery tour... |
| 06:18.27 | tawfik | How do I load the drivers? |
| 06:18.39 | da_bon_bon | wow! no need for mplayer now :) |
| 06:19.11 | shimano55 | o got it |
| 06:19.14 | shimano55 | didn't see that |
| 06:19.18 | shimano55 | thx |
| 06:19.25 | liable | tawfik: google debian reference, or install it, and have a quick read. |
| 06:19.33 | da_bon_bon | hmm.. the other thing is firefox icons :( |
| 06:19.35 | jim | wcm |
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| 06:20.09 | tawfik | could you please help me, because I tried to google it, and I used some instructions, but didn't actually get anywhere |
| 06:20.26 | jim | where didn't you get?? |
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| 06:20.43 | jim | what instructions did you use??! |
| 06:21.07 | jim | and what did you try to google!>?!??! |
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| 06:21.14 | da_bon_bon | why does dpkg the bot reply to me only when i am on #debian and not otherwise ? |
| 06:21.14 | Guerin | !reference |
| 06:21.14 | dpkg | it has been said that reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
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| 06:22.12 | jim | da_bon_bon: she only likes regulars? |
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| 06:22.19 | streuner | da_bon_bon: security reasons |
| 06:22.22 | da_bon_bon | jim: why she ? |
| 06:22.28 | jim | !gender |
| 06:22.28 | dpkg | I'm female |
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| 06:22.31 | da_bon_bon | streuner: security ? in what way ? |
| 06:22.33 | jim | see?! |
| 06:22.51 | streuner | da_bon_bon: someone used the bot to abuse the channel... |
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| 06:22.55 | tawfik | ok, I resolved that now, I need one more answer |
| 06:23.01 | blah123 | whats the latest stable kernel-image debian offers? |
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| 06:23.22 | lyy | hello |
| 06:23.25 | jla | I read about a program that was aiming to be more efficient than rsync by having both the client and the server do work. I don't remember the details or the name. Does anyone know what this program is? |
| 06:23.27 | tawfik | how do I 'chmod' a directory and all the files in it |
| 06:23.29 | jim | so that goofs who wanted to flood us using the bot but was banned could use the bot for their dirty deeds |
| 06:23.30 | da_bon_bon | streuner: how ? |
| 06:23.44 | da_bon_bon | http://ubuntuguide.org/#restoreoriginaliconsfirefox ---> will this work for debian ? |
| 06:23.55 | streuner | dpkg, say da_bon_bon: you unterstand now? |
| 06:23.56 | dpkg | da_bon_bon: you unterstand now |
| 06:24.08 | ApEtc | tawfik: man chmod? :) (Hint, look for -R) |
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| 06:24.14 | dorto | how to invoke reconfigure wizard for pcmcia wireless card using dpkg? |
| 06:24.17 | lyy | anyone know of a process to cut a big file into little files that could be re-arranged back together later? |
| 06:24.24 | maher | lyy: cut :) |
| 06:24.29 | da_bon_bon | oh.. ok, streuner |
| 06:24.30 | da_bon_bon | yes |
| 06:24.31 | maher | lyy: oops - i mean split |
| 06:24.38 | lyy | maher: coool :D |
| 06:24.38 | sep | tcpdump not host 217.17.211.51, should exclude anything related to 217.17.211.51 from the dump right ?? |
| 06:24.39 | liable | dorto: what distro are you using? |
| 06:24.47 | tawfik | ApEtc: already did that, I tried to do that for my usb pendrive, and it doesn't affect the files within it |
| 06:24.51 | dorto | debian sarge |
| 06:24.56 | dorto | 3.1 |
| 06:25.01 | lyy | maher: i'm got a big file i need to split up into multiple files so they will fit on a cd |
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| 06:25.05 | blah123 | whats the latest kernel image debian offers? |
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| 06:25.10 | lyy | maher: basically, my vmware OS :) |
| 06:25.17 | blah123 | 2.6.8 is the latest? seems kind of old |
| 06:25.17 | maher | lyy: split to split, cat to put them back together |
| 06:25.28 | lyy | i'll test it out |
| 06:25.30 | liable | blah123: thats for sarge, yes. |
| 06:25.30 | da_bon_bon | why do my man pages appear with strand symbols ? "File âdiversionsâ are a wa" ? "but to a âdivertedâ location" ?? that was man dpkg-divert |
| 06:25.36 | da_bon_bon | almost all man pages are screwed |
| 06:25.40 | dorto | 2.4.27-2 is the latest kernel for stable version i think |
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| 06:25.58 | ke6isf | dorto: No, that's the default 2.4 kernel. There's 2.6.8 as well. |
| 06:26.00 | blah123 | liable: no new kernel images since then? I mean the latest kernel release is 2.6.13.2 thats a big difference from 2.6.8 |
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| 06:26.00 | da_bon_bon | 2.6.12 too |
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| 06:26.13 | da_bon_bon | blah123: latest is 2.6.12 |
| 06:26.14 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Alright it appears that some moron used multiple ++'s in the same line of C code. |
| 06:26.23 | liable | blah123: for etch and sid, yes. sarge is effectively frozen. |
| 06:26.26 | dorto | we can update to 2.6 using apt-getu upgrade? |
| 06:26.28 | blah123 | da_bon_bon 2.6.12 thats offered as a debian package? |
| 06:26.31 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Which results in unspecified behavior. |
| 06:26.35 | da_bon_bon | blah123: yes. |
| 06:26.35 | tawfik | Why does it say that my usb pendrive is a read-only filesystem? |
| 06:26.41 | da_bon_bon | mhall: talking about which package ? |
| 06:26.48 | dimir | Morning. |
| 06:26.52 | blah123 | for sarge? or must I upgrade to testing to install a more useful kernel? |
| 06:26.55 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Apparently changes in GCC 4.0 lead to this behavior's changing behavior. |
| 06:27.00 | mhall | da_bon_bon: Unstable xine-ui. |
| 06:27.06 | michan | how can i get debian to recognize my geforce 6600 video card? after installing the nvidia drivers, X crashes on bootup and gives the error "(EE) No devices detected." |
| 06:27.07 | elorco | why cant i mount my pendrive? xD |
| 06:27.10 | da_bon_bon | mhall: oh. how did you know that ? |
| 06:27.13 | mhall | streuner: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=109655&aid=1223022&group_id=9655 |
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| 06:27.17 | mhall | da_bon_bon: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=109655&aid=1223022&group_id=9655 |
| 06:27.19 | EdLin | blah123: what functionality are you missing |
| 06:27.20 | ke6isf | !tell michan -about nvidia |
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| 06:27.47 | blah123 | I'm not, just 2.6.8 is old, I guess if it isn't broken why fix it but there hasn't been any security updates since 2.6.8? |
| 06:27.52 | blah123 | no exploits etc? |
| 06:27.55 | dorto | pcmcia is installed in my debian sarge but my wireless card(netgear) is not shown. what should i try? |
| 06:28.02 | sep | michan, since you claim you have tried the nvidia howto and failed. i sugest you try the nvidia one-liner, and paste the output on aster |
| 06:28.14 | sep | s/aster/paster/ |
| 06:28.16 | michan | sep: alright |
| 06:28.25 | mhall | michan: Any luck? |
| 06:28.30 | tawfik | mhall:how do I make my pendrive writeable? |
| 06:28.43 | mhall | michan: The new ones should be supported by 7676! |
| 06:28.43 | da_bon_bon | blah123: are you on sarge ? |
| 06:28.49 | mhall | michan: I'm surprised it did not work. |
| 06:28.54 | ke6isf | !tell dorto -about repeat |
| 06:28.59 | mhall | tawfik: I'm not sure on that. What FS did you format it with? |
| 06:29.06 | tawfik | mhall:vfat |
| 06:29.07 | dorto | meh |
| 06:29.08 | sep | tawfik, check for a small dip switch i have one on mine :P |
| 06:29.22 | michan | mhall: nope, still didn't work. after looking at the logs after it failed, i noticed it says "(EE) No devices detected." and "Fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 06:29.24 | mhall | tawfik: ! It should automatically be read / write unless you have got a lock switch! |
| 06:29.30 | maher | blah123: there are some security updates available but i don't think they've been uploaded to security.d.o as one of the arch's isn't ready - i may be confused |
| 06:29.34 | streuner | mhall: thanks, but vlc or mplayer works too |
| 06:29.39 | mhall | michan: Hmm, that's not quite the full error. |
| 06:29.53 | michan | mhall: where can i paste output? |
| 06:29.53 | blah123 | da_bon_bon yes I'm on sarge |
| 06:29.54 | tawfik | mhall:don't have any lock, it works perfect under win32 |
| 06:29.58 | sep | michan, that sounds almost like you didnt load the module |
| 06:30.00 | mhall | michan: #flood |
| 06:30.12 | dorto | i was trying to rephrase my question |
| 06:30.15 | mhall | tawfik: Try redoing the mount with -o rw |
| 06:30.24 | michan | mhall: alright. hang on, i'll paste the the relevant output there |
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| 06:30.35 | maher | blah123: http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianKernelSargeUpdateStatus |
| 06:30.49 | ryno | I'm having a problem loading some modules... |
| 06:30.55 | da_bon_bon | blah123: then you have two options -- use kernel-pakcage to build your own kernels, using the config from current kernel .. or use the deb from testing, which is not recomended |
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| 06:31.09 | ke6isf | dorto: A simple rephrasing isn't necessarily goign to help. Reposting your question with more information would help. |
| 06:31.14 | dorto | what is the general procedure to reconfigure any installed software in debian? its dpkg --reconfigure sth... |
| 06:31.20 | dorto | ok |
| 06:31.32 | blah123 | is there a howto on kernel-package? |
| 06:31.44 | ke6isf | dorto: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
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| 06:32.02 | streuner | blah123: /msg dpkg kp and read URL newbiedoc.sf.net KERNEL-HOWTO |
| 06:32.05 | da_bon_bon | blah123: the kernel-package install has howto in /usr/share/doc/kernel-packahe |
| 06:32.20 | dorto | ok |
| 06:32.20 | michan | mhall: hang on, i have to reload x so i can get a copy of the log output again. i'll be right back, then i'll paste it in #flood |
| 06:32.43 | ke6isf | dorto: If there's nothing interactive, you'll just get a prompt; if there is, you'll get a weird menu driven system. |
| 06:32.48 | ryno | modprobe: Can't locate module snd-usb-audio |
| 06:32.50 | ryno | :\ |
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| 06:33.09 | dorto | i c |
| 06:33.18 | ryno | am I missing something? |
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| 06:33.26 | litage | when dealing with ssl certs, what's a "pem file"? is it the file that contains the private key? |
| 06:33.36 | da_bon_bon | eek! the kp mantra is bad! |
| 06:33.48 | dorto | for 'dpkg -reconfigure pcmcia' i get this error: dpkg: conflicting actions --control and --remove |
| 06:34.01 | ryno | litage: it's just the extension for either public or private |
| 06:34.13 | jm_ | litage: there's more than one file involved |
| 06:34.13 | ke6isf | da_bon_bon: ...it is? Makes perfect sense to me. |
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| 06:34.23 | litage | ryno: pem is a particular format.. |
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| 06:34.33 | streuner | mhall: we are in a good situation, we have alternatives in debian. |
| 06:34.39 | litage | jm_: how is there more than one file involved in a pem file? |
| 06:34.41 | mhall | streuner: Quite! |
| 06:34.52 | mhall | streuner: It seems that the xine maintainer is, well, sloppy. |
| 06:34.57 | streuner | !dstats sid |
| 06:35.08 | ryno | litage: you could save it as .ssl if you really wanted |
| 06:35.13 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17201 packages, 1596 maintainers, 34157 MB installed size, 10921 MB compressed size. |
| 06:35.13 | jm_ | litage: I never mentioned pem file, did I? there's more than one file involved when delaing with certificates in general ... |
| 06:35.18 | mhall | dorto: You didn't type it right. |
| 06:35.27 | mhall | dorto: dpkg-reconfigure must be one word |
| 06:35.39 | mhall | dorto: it's not an option to dpkg, it's actually a different command altogether |
| 06:35.51 | litage | jm_: right, of course. at the very least, there are 2 files: the public cert and the private key |
| 06:36.14 | jm_ | litage: and then there's CA cert and its key |
| 06:36.18 | benkong2 | I have searched the net over and now need help on a dpkg -l |grep postfix? In the output each fille has an "ii" in the first column and one file has an "rc". What or where do I find the meaning of the symbols? |
| 06:36.32 | da_bon_bon | ke6isf: why would one need so many options ? just "make-kpgk --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d')" would do |
| 06:36.37 | benkong2 | I have done man dpkg googled till i dropped |
| 06:36.46 | jm_ | benkong2: read the top of dpkg -l output |
| 06:36.50 | jla | Ah, it was CVSup which isn't in stable (maybe not in Debian). |
| 06:36.51 | mhall | benkong2: First of all what are you trying to do? |
| 06:37.01 | mhall | benkong2: second try dpkg -l | head -20 |
| 06:37.03 | benkong2 | trying to see what's installed |
| 06:37.05 | litage | jm_: so what exactly is a pem/pem file with regards to all of that? |
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| 06:37.12 | ke6isf | da_bon_bon: Not sure, ask one of the kernel hackers in here - they would nkow why. |
| 06:37.16 | dorto | oh :P thx mhall |
| 06:37.23 | benkong2 | checking a mail server setup |
| 06:37.23 | da_bon_bon | ke6isf: ok. |
| 06:37.27 | jm_ | litage: .pem is used for the certificate itself |
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| 06:37.55 | da_bon_bon | and i did only a kernel-image --- not a modulesimage or an initrc |
| 06:37.58 | da_bon_bon | *rc |
| 06:37.59 | da_bon_bon | **rd |
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| 06:38.15 | litage | jm_: so usually the .pem only contains the public cert? |
| 06:38.19 | mhall | benkong2: dpkg --get-selections | dpkg --get-selections | awk '{ if ($2 ~ /install/) print $1; }' |
| 06:38.22 | mhall | benkong2: oops |
| 06:38.25 | mhall | benkong2: dpkg --get-selections | awk '{ if ($2 ~ /install/) print $1; }' |
| 06:38.49 | jm_ | litage: no not necessarily |
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| 06:39.05 | benkong2 | mhall; k |
| 06:40.05 | jm_ | better to use dpkg-awk for that |
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| 06:40.20 | da_bon_bon | when i installed xserver-xorg , it said it will remove xserver-xfree86 , but its still not removed, and if i remove it , it removes xorg too. |
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| 06:40.44 | mhall | jm_: :-( |
| 06:40.46 | benkong2 | ok but I still do not see what the ii and rc mean. I see the stuff at the top of dpkg -l | head -20 |
| 06:40.53 | benkong2 | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed no ==rc here |
| 06:41.00 | michan | mhall: alright. ready for me to paste some output in #flood? |
| 06:41.01 | litage | jm_: when signing a certificate request with your personal/company's root certificate, you would use -CA and -CAkey, but not -signkey, right? |
| 06:41.15 | mhall | michan: yeah BTW there is something useful you need to know about |
| 06:41.15 | benkong2 | no == rc here "Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)" |
| 06:41.19 | mhall | michan: /var/log/X*.log |
| 06:41.27 | benkong2 | so what am I missing |
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| 06:41.38 | michan | mhall: yeah, that's the output i'm gonna paste. the end of that log file. |
| 06:41.56 | benkong2 | mhall; looks like your command gives me all programs installed correct? |
| 06:42.08 | scanwinder | I've got this problem where when i have both my usb2 pcmcia card and my netgear wireless card(WG511T) in my laptop, the wireless card wont connect to the access point yet it works fine if its the only card in.......i created a log of the output of dmesg with both cards in.............can someone please review my log and tell me what the problem is? the log is located at http://pastebin.com/380521 .....it shows the wireless card |
| 06:42.09 | mhall | michan: alright cool |
| 06:42.09 | scanwinder | (ath0) resetting twice in the last few line of the log, so perhaps it shows the problem somewhere near there |
| 06:42.12 | mhall | benkong2: yeah! |
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| 06:42.14 | jm_ | litage: yup |
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| 06:42.56 | litage | thanks jm_ |
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| 06:43.07 | jm_ | litage: actually some guides use signkey too |
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| 06:43.47 | da_bon_bon | can someone help me with this ? |
| 06:43.48 | da_bon_bon | http://rafb.net/paste/results/W7EWCf67.html |
| 06:44.05 | litage | jm_: why would you use -signkey as well as -CA and -CAkey? |
| 06:44.27 | lyy | i'm knew to inetd |
| 06:44.29 | mwilson | da_bon_bon: What about that do you need help with? |
| 06:44.32 | lyy | how do i stop and start services? |
| 06:44.42 | mwilson | da_bon_bon: You *want* to remove xserver-xorg? |
| 06:44.44 | da_bon_bon | mwilson: i cant remove xserver-xfree86 without b0rking xorg. why so ? |
| 06:44.44 | dorto | pcmcia-cs, wireless-tools are installed but wlan0 is not shown in ifconfig, what could be the problem? |
| 06:44.53 | mwilson | da_bon_bon: Why not so? |
| 06:44.54 | da_bon_bon | mwilson: i want to remove xfree86 |
| 06:45.04 | da_bon_bon | mwilson: why would xorg depend on xfree86 ? |
| 06:45.04 | streuner | lyy: /etc/init.d/foo start|restart|stop ? |
| 06:45.09 | liable | lyy: you edit the config, or kill inetd. |
| 06:45.12 | mwilson | da_bon_bon: And if you look, that package is actually INSTALLED? |
| 06:45.18 | lyy | thanks liable streuner |
| 06:45.25 | da_bon_bon | mwilson: hmm.. isnt it ? |
| 06:45.34 | mwilson | da_bon_bon: How would I know? |
| 06:45.39 | da_bon_bon | mwilson: how do i check ? |
| 06:45.44 | mwilson | <sigh> |
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| 06:45.51 | mwilson | And you think you should be running unstable. |
| 06:46.03 | da_bon_bon | mwilson: i mean, of course it is install, else how would i be able to remove it ? |
| 06:46.07 | da_bon_bon | *installed |
| 06:46.24 | mwilson | You're not able to remove it, in case you hadn't noticed. |
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| 06:46.36 | streuner | !downgrade |
| 06:46.37 | dpkg | it has been said that downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 06:46.40 | mhall | liable: edit config and kill -1 inetd |
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| 06:47.09 | da_bon_bon | mwilson: when i do it without -s switch, i can remove it, but xorg gets removed in the process to.. |
| 06:47.14 | liable | mhall: i wasnt sure exactly what they wanted, so.. :) |
| 06:47.17 | da_bon_bon | is xfree86 a provide of xorg ? |
| 06:47.18 | mhall | michan: upload this to pastebin.com or something |
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| 06:47.25 | mhall | michan: this paste is way too fucking slow |
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| 06:48.02 | mwilson | da_bon_bon: I'll ask again... is the package you're trying to remove actually installed? |
| 06:48.06 | liable | da_bon_bon: you prolly dont have xfree installed.. |
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| 06:48.08 | bonez39 | any debian/apache2 pros here tonight? |
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| 06:48.29 | mhall | !tell bonez39 about ask |
| 06:48.37 | bonez39 | I can't figure out how to get cgi-bin configured correctly with my apache2.conf file..and with mm_cfg.py |
| 06:48.43 | da_bon_bon | hmm.. i dont know how to check .. and i still dont understand that how can i remove, if, as you say, its not installed, mwilson |
| 06:48.45 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone else getting this bullshit 'W: Couldn't stat source package list' error no matter what source you use? |
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| 06:48.53 | liable | well, must be beer'o'clock. :) |
| 06:48.55 | TwistedEmotions | for apt-get I mean.. |
| 06:49.18 | mhall | bonez39: Try #apache as well; seems to have some users in it. |
| 06:49.26 | benkong2 | mhall; I shall keep looking the exact file list is: "rc postfix-tls 2.1.5-9ubuntu3 TLS and SASL support for Postfix" |
| 06:49.39 | bonez39 | mhall, well, no one there seems to know..I think this is more a debian setup issue....thus my asking here |
| 06:50.10 | mhall | benkong2: bad benkong2; no ubuntu support in #debian |
| 06:50.15 | jm_ | litage: actually looking at it -signkey looks the right way |
| 06:50.18 | sep | bonez39, cgi-bin is configured from default it's in /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 06:50.20 | mhall | bonez39: ah ok |
| 06:50.34 | mhall | bonez39: did you grep /etc/apache2 for keywords |
| 06:50.43 | benkong2 | mhall; ok I thought it was just a matter of understanding the dpkg output |
| 06:50.47 | mhall | bonez39: example command fgrep -ir keyword /etc/apache2 |
| 06:50.51 | benkong2 | please excuse |
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| 06:51.04 | mhall | benkong2: problem is; how do we know they didn't modify it from the debian version |
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| 06:51.20 | mhall | benkong2: my advice to you is, try dpkg -l | head -20 and read the header of the output |
| 06:51.20 | benkong2 | true |
| 06:51.21 | da_bon_bon | liable: how do i check whether a package is really installed ? |
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| 06:51.29 | mhall | benkong2: another trick |
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| 06:51.50 | mhall | benkong2: set COLUMNS variable to be larger to get more output |
| 06:51.53 | TwistedEmotions | does dpkg -l show a list of ALL packages installed? |
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| 06:52.01 | benkong2 | mhall; yeah I did that but no reference to the rc flag unless that means half configured |
| 06:52.03 | sep | TwistedEmotions, -la |
| 06:52.14 | mhall | benkong2: let me see |
| 06:52.15 | da_bon_bon | oh. ok, mwilson, synaptic says that xfree86 is not installed |
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| 06:52.16 | benkong2 | mhall; ok I'll try |
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| 06:52.52 | maher | benkong2: the dpkg output actually tells you what the letters mean |
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| 06:52.59 | TwistedEmotions | that's cool... so theoretically... if you copy that list and apt-get install <list> then you will have duplicate computer... well.. at least if you copy config files and hime directories too.. |
| 06:53.02 | mhall | benkong2: let me see hear |
| 06:53.12 | mhall | benkong2: rc would be removed with configuration files remaining |
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| 06:53.17 | bonez39 | mhall, I didn't know to do that.....with grep |
| 06:53.29 | da_bon_bon | are there packages of openoffice.org 2 beta in any repository ? |
| 06:53.32 | TwistedEmotions | wait... if you copied over /etc/ then would you have basically exact same computer? I mean exclusing the home directories and all that? |
| 06:53.36 | benkong2 | mhall; ok where did you find that |
| 06:53.39 | dorto | for eg my wlan card is not supported by debian, how can i install the driver for it by d/l-ing it from internet? |
| 06:53.40 | liable | TwistedEmotions: thats what --set-selections, --get-selections is for. |
| 06:53.45 | maher | da_bon_bon: in experimental |
| 06:53.46 | dorto | where should i copy what etc? |
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| 06:53.48 | mhall | benkong2: so somebody apt-get or dpkg removed it then never purged it |
| 06:53.50 | dorto | any links? |
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| 06:53.57 | da_bon_bon | maher: experimental is a section in the repos ? |
| 06:53.59 | asperon-work | hi, i am trying to get my debian workstations to auth via samba against a samba pdc, are there any documents or such showing me how to do this? |
| 06:54.10 | mhall | benkong2: alright, column 1 is desired state |
| 06:54.12 | benkong2 | ok it had to be me since I am setting up the server |
| 06:54.17 | maher | da_bon_bon: yeah - maybe not all mirrors carry it |
| 06:54.19 | mhall | benkong2: set to r so desired state is remove |
| 06:54.30 | da_bon_bon | ok, maher thanks |
| 06:54.30 | mhall | benkong2: column 2 is current status |
| 06:54.32 | TwistedEmotions | liable: for copying settings or getting packages? |
| 06:54.39 | mhall | benkong2: set to config files |
| 06:54.40 | da_bon_bon | a'right then.. off now |
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| 06:54.42 | da_bon_bon | cya all |
| 06:54.46 | liable | TwistedEmotions: packages |
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| 06:55.03 | mhall | benkong2: column 3 only appears if there is some error |
| 06:55.12 | benkong2 | AHA! now it is clear as a bell I did not realize the explanation was multiple columns |
| 06:55.16 | rutski89 | If i know that there is an infected dll/exec on a windows comp |
| 06:55.33 | mhall | bonez39: yeah that grep trick is what i used when i can't find what i want to edit in a config file or config dir |
| 06:55.36 | TwistedEmotions | liable: Ahh.. but otherwise is my idea correct? I mean about installing packages and just copying over /etc directory? |
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| 06:55.45 | rutski89 | can i copy the drive to a linux computer, and do a "cat drive.img | grep 'what i think is in the dll/exe'" |
| 06:55.46 | benkong2 | mhall; thanks you very much. It all makes since now that you have given me this valuable information |
| 06:55.48 | mhall | bonez39: usually i can try a couple keywords until i find the part that i need to edit |
| 06:55.55 | mhall | benkong2: good |
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| 06:56.08 | rutski89 | **cat drive.img | strings | grep ... |
| 06:56.16 | benkong2 | off to set up my mail server. :_))) |
| 06:56.18 | liable | TwistedEmotions: if they are same versions, pretty much, and the dotfiles in home. |
| 06:56.39 | TwistedEmotions | liable: Oh yeah... forgot about those. |
| 06:56.55 | mhall | rutski89: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:57.14 | mhall | rutski89: your best best is copying the drive into binary image with dd, then mount it in loopback mode |
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| 06:57.43 | mhall | rutski89: mount -t fs_type -o loop file.img /mnt |
| 06:57.54 | mhall | rutski89: then you can look through it like a regular disk |
| 06:57.54 | litage | jm_: isn't -signkey for when you want to create a self-signed cert rather than have a CA/root cert sign the request? |
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| 07:00.17 | os-junkie | I'm trying to load debian3.1 on a sun4c box, but I'm hanging right after "freeing unused kernel memory: 128K freed".....are there any boot parms I should be looking at? |
| 07:00.29 | jm_ | litage: hmm no, self-signed means you're your own CA |
| 07:00.49 | mhall | os-junkie: yeah that's not supported |
| 07:01.09 | os-junkie | according to the website it is......maybe it's been "quietly dropped?" |
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| 07:01.26 | mhall | os-junkie: well i'm a debian-sparc list member |
| 07:01.41 | mhall | os-junkie: and i would like you to give me a link to the website claiming this to be so |
| 07:01.51 | os-junkie | just heading there.....brb |
| 07:02.12 | mhall | os-junkie: we had a huge discussion about sun4c support and in principle we are interested but we have not got anybody with the full amount of time necessary to solve the problem |
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| 07:02.38 | litage | jm_: are you sure? i was under the impression that self-signed means that the cert isn't signed by *any* CA |
| 07:02.39 | mhall | michan you shouldn't be using the vesa video driver |
| 07:02.43 | mhall | michan: change it to nvidia |
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| 07:03.25 | mhall | litage: it's signed by your own fake CA |
| 07:03.28 | prjktdtnt | What is a good "WebCast" server to make an online radio station? |
| 07:03.30 | mhall | litage: so the CA is yourself |
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| 07:03.48 | mhall | litage: CA is just certifying authority |
| 07:03.56 | mhall | litage: and it means you are the authority |
| 07:04.14 | PoPnow | I know this is not mysql channel but anyway.. is there any good way to do debug on connections to a mysql database, as I can't see that a php script is accesing the db |
| 07:04.27 | TwistedEmotions | Which doesnt fake it *FAKE*.. just not really trustworthy. |
| 07:04.51 | os-junkie | http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/ Under "Current Status" |
| 07:04.53 | mhall | TwistedEmotions: call it what you want |
| 07:04.55 | prjktdtnt | PoPnow: IS it connecting at the script level (does the SCRIPT return an error)? |
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| 07:05.46 | PoPnow | prjktdtnt: I don't get any error messages but it don't even create any tables in database |
| 07:05.50 | TwistedEmotions | mhall: well I mean... it's not considered illegal or anything right? Is it legal to sign your own certificate? |
| 07:06.02 | litage | mhall: so when would you use -signkey and when would you use -CA and -CAkey? |
| 07:06.12 | prjktdtnt | PoPnow: what language is it in? |
| 07:06.13 | os-junkie | bummer, I've got it running great on my sparc20 and wanted to get my older sparc2 fired up.....I guess it's not going to happen..... |
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| 07:07.47 | asperon-work | hi, i am trying to get my debian workstations to auth via samba against a samba pdc, are there any documents or such showing me how to do this? |
| 07:08.03 | PoPnow | prjktdtnt: oh I don't know mysql or php, so don't know. I can connect to the mysql server with remote admin and see the database, the script a webpage that's connects to the database |
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| 07:08.45 | dorto | anyone remember the port at which swat runs, if installed? |
| 07:08.48 | prjktdtnt | PoPnow: so its php...give me one sec..also what server are you using (apache or another?) |
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| 07:09.43 | liable | 901 |
| 07:09.44 | litage | dorto: something like 901 or 902 i think |
| 07:09.54 | mhall | damn that guy disappeared before i could help him |
| 07:10.03 | prjktdtnt | PoPnow: apt-get install php4-mysql or apt-get install php5-mysql (depending on your version of php) |
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| 07:10.10 | mhall | I HATE IT when people do that |
| 07:10.17 | mhall | why must they be so god damn impatient |
| 07:10.34 | PoPnow | prjktdtnt: I use apache 2.0 and mysql 4.0.24 |
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| 07:10.52 | franck1 | salut |
| 07:10.54 | franck1 | hello |
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| 07:11.12 | prjktdtnt | PoPnow: apt-get install php4-mysql |
| 07:11.12 | mhall | Why can't the PHP people get their heads out of their butts and fix the threading problem? |
| 07:11.25 | prjktdtnt | then after that is finished test the script again |
| 07:11.58 | mhall | TwistedEmotions: Of course it's legal. |
| 07:12.04 | PoPnow | prjktdtnt: the php4-mysql is already installed! |
| 07:12.12 | franck1 | X can run without mouse and keyboard ?? my debian can t this, and no find the correct configuration in google |
| 07:12.12 | mhall | TwistedEmotions: I just meant fake CA in the ersatz sense of fake. |
| 07:12.26 | jm_ | litage: you use -CA, -CAkey and -signkey in the same command |
| 07:12.27 | mhall | TwistedEmotions: A poor inadequate substitute for a genuine signed key. |
| 07:12.40 | mhall | TwistedEmotions: Part of the problem is it's such a pain in the ass to get a real one. |
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| 07:12.57 | mhall | TwistedEmotions: It costs too much and if your box name / ip change you have to pay the fee all over again, etc. |
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| 07:13.54 | mhall | franck1: How about going to #debian-fr? |
| 07:14.05 | prjktdtnt | PoPnow: "dpkg -l | grep php" should return at least "libapache2-mod-php4 php4-common php4-mysql" if all of those return check your script configuration (passwords the like in the script) and if there's still problems then sorry i'm lost |
| 07:14.20 | dorto | litage: thx, it was 901 (i was trying 701) |
| 07:14.24 | mhall | franck1: Because I'm having a hard time understanding your question. Perhaps if you can ask in French it will be easier for you to get a good answer. |
| 07:14.25 | litage | np dorto |
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| 07:15.18 | franck1 | ok mhall |
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| 07:15.37 | mhall | prjktdtnt, PoPnow : There is another problem. You must use apache2 with the prefork mpm or it will screw shit up VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY badly. |
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| 07:15.55 | litage | jm_: why would you use -signkey and -CAkey? the manpage says -signkey "causes the input file to be self signed", and -CAkey "sets the CA private key to sign a certificate with". why sign twice? |
| 07:16.09 | mhall | litage: ARGH |
| 07:16.19 | prjktdtnt | mhall: slaps prjktdtnt i knew that...forgot to bring it up though thx for mentioning that |
| 07:16.19 | mhall | litage: -signkey means you sign yourself with a 'fake' CA |
| 07:16.28 | prjktdtnt | !prjktdtnt |
| 07:16.29 | dpkg | from memory, prjktdtnt is an idiot |
| 07:16.32 | Gnea | litage: they're 2 different options |
| 07:16.36 | mhall | litage: CAkey means you sign with a legitimate external CA key |
| 07:16.40 | mhall | prjktdtnt: heh! |
| 07:16.47 | PoPnow | prjktdtnt: yes I get some libapache2 php and some other mysql and php |
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| 07:16.52 | os-junkie | franckl: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/355101 somebody else has gone down this route.. |
| 07:16.57 | mhall | prjktdtnt: I guess I don't need to mhallsmite you then :-). |
| 07:17.25 | litage | mhall: jm_ just said that you use -signkey and -CAkey simultaneously...is that incorrect then? |
| 07:17.25 | prjktdtnt | mhall: go for it anyway i'm supposed to be a sysadmin and i forget this crap lol |
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| 07:18.19 | prjktdtnt | PoPnow: ok then check your scripts config or the password for the database you're trying to use and if all else fails say WHAT SCRIPT YOU'RE USING PLEASE!! sorry forgot to bring that up but it COULD be important or utterly useless to ask |
| 07:19.26 | mhall | litage: hmm |
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| 07:19.53 | mhall | litage: I don't think it would work but try it and if it fucks up do it differently! |
| 07:20.14 | mhall | litage: I only ever used signkey because I just needed quick ghetto keys for testing. |
| 07:20.25 | mhall | litage: Never had to run a legit ssl server for anything. |
| 07:20.41 | rutski89 | maher: can a bit-for-bit copy be mounted like that? even with all the partitions and all |
| 07:20.49 | sandman | How would I have my kernel use radeonfb module instead of the vesafb module @ boot? |
| 07:20.59 | mhall | rutski89: do a bit for bit copy of the *partition* |
| 07:21.29 | prjktdtnt | ok so as I asked earlier is there a good Web Radio Server program for debian that is easily installed&configured? |
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| 07:21.30 | franck1 | i search how to X, but no mouse no keyboard it s for xdmcp and cygwin client ? mahll this english is good :| |
| 07:21.30 | prjktdtnt | err package even |
| 07:21.30 | jm_ | litage: I have only messed with this last week, and I must admit I have only found these answers using google, so don't take it for granted |
| 07:21.30 | mhall | rutski89: ex dd if=/dev/hda1 of=image.bin bs=1M |
| 07:21.34 | mhall | prjktdtnt: let me look a bit |
| 07:21.40 | litage | jm_: heh np. i appreciate your help either way |
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| 07:21.43 | prjktdtnt | mhall: thx |
| 07:21.51 | dorto | swat is not accessible from web browser in debian sarge. how to enable it? |
| 07:21.51 | netdur | what command that tells the size of hd? |
| 07:21.58 | dorto | it seems it is installed |
| 07:22.44 | mhall | prjktdtnt: try apt-cache search (mp3, ogg, radio) | fgrep -i server |
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| 07:22.51 | litage | mhall: so are you just "not supposed to" use -CA and -CAkey when signing with a fake CA/root key? |
| 07:22.54 | mhall | prjktdtnt: it seems there are a number of packages to choose from |
| 07:23.02 | mhall | litage: I don't think they would be needed. |
| 07:23.17 | mhall | litage: -signkey just lets you enter the CA data to sign with and then signs the damn thing |
| 07:23.21 | litage | mhall: or are there other/real repurcussions to using -CA and -CAkey when signing with a fake CA/root? |
| 07:23.25 | prjktdtnt | mhall: thanks trying it now |
| 07:23.31 | litage | ah |
| 07:23.38 | mhall | prjktdtnt: i should also clarify |
| 07:23.52 | mhall | prjktdtnt: run the command once with each of the keywords mp3 ogg radio |
| 07:24.03 | mhall | litage: that's my understanding of it anyways |
| 07:24.10 | mhall | litage: but i just do cheap hackjob keys |
| 07:24.24 | mhall | litage: the minimum amount needed to get them running for testing stuff |
| 07:24.32 | mhall | litage: i never used any legit ones for anything |
| 07:24.48 | prjktdtnt | mhall: thx it took me a sec but i figured that out right before reading |
| 07:25.18 | litage | mhall: heheh so if you only needed them for testing, how come you've never needed legit ones? |
| 07:25.29 | mhall | litage: well i'm still a college student |
| 07:25.38 | mhall | litage: so i goof off with random ssl debian packages |
| 07:25.54 | litage | ah :) |
| 07:25.54 | mhall | litage: and they're always wanting stupid pointless cert file this, stupid pointless cert file that |
| 07:26.03 | rutski89 | mhall: ahh, thanks. I was stuck o thinking i'd have to copy all of /dev/hda to one file. Yea, i'll copy it by partitions, thansk :) |
| 07:26.04 | rutski89 | g'night all |
| 07:26.17 | mhall | litage: so i do whatever i have to do to get it running and shutting the hell up so i don't have to screw with it any more |
| 07:26.27 | dorto | everything in my inetd.conf is in comment lines; is that OK? debian uses xinetd? |
| 07:26.30 | litage | mhall: i agree. PIA |
| 07:26.35 | dorto | i don't find xinetd |
| 07:26.41 | mhall | litage: i don't really need the full security of ssl because i'm not concerned with mitm forgery |
| 07:27.03 | mhall | litage: i'm on a trusted educational network and just trying to get something done / practice / learn something |
| 07:27.13 | bonez39 | mhall, got it all figured out.thanks for your suggestions too |
| 07:27.20 | mhall | litage: not, say, right a multi-million dollar e-commerce site etc |
| 07:27.25 | mhall | bonez39: ah sweet |
| 07:27.41 | mhall | bonez39: it's sure satisfying when you get that stuff to work |
| 07:27.53 | bonez39 | mhall, amen..it really is... |
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| 07:28.19 | mhall | bonez39: what did you have to do? |
| 07:28.38 | mhall | prjktdtnt: did you find one you like OK |
| 07:30.16 | bonez39 | mhall, well, I was confused about ScriptAlias works....once I got it through my thick skull that ScriptAlias /item/ /blah/blah/item/ then directs anything looking for /item/ to /blah/blah/item/ then it worked.... |
| 07:30.28 | mhall | bonez39: hehehe |
| 07:30.36 | mhall | bonez39: apache config files are a pain in the ass |
| 07:30.58 | mhall | bonez39: i have some magic vsftpd and apache config files i have backed up |
| 07:31.12 | mhall | bonez39: and everytime something fucks up i go get those and use them |
| 07:31.47 | franck1 | all french are sleep :| |
| 07:32.21 | bonez39 | well, I am tucking away all my notes from this evening.....I know what you are saying.... |
| 07:32.50 | prjktdtnt | mhall: trying out icecast2 right now...will let you know if it works |
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| 07:33.48 | mhall | bonez39: yeah i learned from lots of experience |
| 07:34.07 | mhall | bonez39: i always screwed stuff up and couldn't fix it |
| 07:34.09 | bonez39 | trial and painful error |
| 07:34.16 | mhall | bonez39: so now i copy my magic config files hehehe |
| 07:34.25 | bonez39 | mhall, well, I am good at that...but getting better at digging through and finding the solutions... |
| 07:34.30 | mhall | in fact i'm loli'ing as i say this |
| 07:34.42 | mhall | recalling the ugly late-night sessions |
| 07:34.42 | bonez39 | I log it all now...so I can find it again |
| 07:34.47 | mhall | bonez39: :-) |
| 07:35.11 | franck1 | have you informations on X server with xdmcp on debian sarge/stable but without keyboard and mouse ? |
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| 07:35.41 | mhall | franck1: apparently you can use the void driver for the keyboard instead of kbd |
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| 07:36.01 | mhall | franck1: and for the mouse it's not quite clear to me what you would need to do |
| 07:36.09 | mhall | franck1: somebody posted you a link earlier |
| 07:36.12 | mhall | franck1: one moment |
| 07:36.45 | mhall | franck1: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/355101 |
| 07:37.01 | prjktdtnt | mhall well thats one that doenst work...on to the next |
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| 07:37.12 | mhall | prjktdtnt: lol :-/ |
| 07:37.15 | qor | Mornin' |
| 07:37.20 | mhall | prjktdtnt: that's the good and the bad of debian |
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| 07:37.28 | mhall | prjktdtnt: many to choose from many of which don't work |
| 07:37.44 | ilpavox | is there a linux partitioning tool that is non-destructive? |
| 07:37.49 | franck1 | mhall thank it s ok |
| 07:37.55 | mhall | prjktdtnt: another choice depending on the situation is that the vlc media player has some server capabilities |
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| 07:38.10 | qor | Hey guys... I remove a bunch of packages using synaptic earlier (mostly KDE and Gnome). Of course, now the Greeter won't work... can someone point me to the file I must edit so that startx will start fluxbox as well? |
| 07:38.33 | mhall | prjktdtnt: http://www.videolan.org/streaming/ explains the methodology |
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| 07:38.47 | prjktdtnt | mhall: i'm looking for something that will stream (hopefully to 100% of clients) what i am listening to already |
| 07:39.16 | liable | qor: ~/.xsession |
| 07:39.32 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: try xmms-liveice |
| 07:39.40 | mhall | prjktdtnt: http://www.shoutcast.com/support/docs/ is another possibility |
| 07:40.00 | qor | liable: ~/.xsession doesn't exist :\ |
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| 07:40.15 | prjktdtnt | mhall: shoutcast doesnt execute properly. I set it up as I should but the server never starts |
| 07:40.25 | qor | liable: I'd check it out if I could... but I'm irssi'ing out through ssh |
| 07:40.25 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: will try next |
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| 07:40.32 | liable | qor: create it, put /usr/bin/fluxbox in it (or wherever it is) |
| 07:40.34 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: why not use icecast2 |
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| 07:40.38 | mhall | prjktdtnt: also what does your nick mean? it looks like a random arrangement of [prjktd]+ |
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| 07:40.49 | prjktdtnt | mhall: projekt dotnet |
| 07:41.09 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: wouldnt start right |
| 07:41.10 | Dewi | a microsoft spy! |
| 07:41.17 | prjktdtnt | dewi: no |
| 07:41.22 | mhall | prjktdtnt: I take it it's supposted to be auf Deutsch? |
| 07:41.38 | franck1 | bye thank |
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| 07:41.50 | mhall | franck1: good luck, try the french tomorrow |
| 07:41.51 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: what do you mean wouldn't start right? |
| 07:41.52 | qor | liable: should I also include #!/usr/... (path to bash) as well? |
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| 07:42.04 | prjktdtnt | mhall: aber Nein |
| 07:42.07 | liable | qor: no, just path to fluxbox. |
| 07:42.24 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: nothing but errors every-time i attempt to start the daemon |
| 07:42.49 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: what is the error message? |
| 07:42.55 | qor | liable: THANKS! |
| 07:43.04 | liable | np |
| 07:43.20 | mhall | prjktdtnt: Dann bin ich ein bisschen verwirrt. Warum wuerde man 'projekt' benuzted trotz der Tatsache dass das Projekt nicht etwas Deutsches ist? |
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| 07:43.29 | mhall | s/benutzed/benutzen/ |
| 07:43.33 | prjktdtnt | mhall: I dont know that much germen |
| 07:43.37 | prjktdtnt | lol |
| 07:43.42 | mhall | meh |
| 07:43.57 | Dewi | mhall: please go to #debian-de to ask your question |
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| 07:44.05 | Dewi | or whatever it is. |
| 07:44.21 | prjktdtnt | mhall: :O! BRING ME SOME!! I miss in-n-out...they dont have it in utah yet :'( |
| 07:44.22 | Dewi | !de |
| 07:44.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 07:44.23 | liable | Dewi: err, i think he knows where he is.. |
| 07:44.45 | Dewi | liable: (joking) |
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| 07:45.15 | paulliu | I just apt-get install icecast2 then edit /etc/default/icecast2 and it works well |
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| 07:45.45 | korl | I installed fvwm packages, and the default configuration is very uncomfortable. is there an easy way to make fvwm look and feel better? |
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| 07:45.50 | liable | what kind of bandwidth do you need for that sort of thing? |
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| 07:46.08 | Dewi | liable: depends how good you want it to sound |
| 07:46.19 | Dewi | liable: you can send audio over a dialup modem if you want |
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| 07:46.33 | paulliu | liable: I use 30kbps...-.- |
| 07:46.36 | liable | Dewi: yes, i mean hosting, say 128 |
| 07:46.49 | Dewi | liable: you'd need 128. :P per listener. |
| 07:46.51 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: could you by chance send me a copy of a working icecast2 config? mine doesnt seam to work when i tried |
| 07:47.16 | liable | right, which could add up to *a shitload* |
| 07:47.36 | Dewi | liable: sure could. I guess this is why nearly all the winamp radio stations don't work for me |
| 07:47.45 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: re-install it, I only change <password></password> and <hostname></hostname> |
| 07:48.27 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: I need to also change the directory by witch it finds its files |
| 07:48.54 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: no, you don't need it... |
| 07:49.31 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: ? |
| 07:49.35 | paulliu | because icecast2 is only a broadcast server... you broadcast your files with clients like ice2 or xmms-liveiec |
| 07:49.55 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: oh...ok...that now helps a lil |
| 07:50.28 | paulliu | Anyone who knows the password can use his client to broadcast his music by your icecast2 server.. |
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| 07:52.24 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: ok uhh go to #flood so I can show you my error messages |
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| 07:53.24 | paulliu | Did you modify something??? |
| 07:53.41 | simonrvn | prjktdtnt: must be some sort of debug flag you can try? |
| 07:53.48 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: passwords and hostname |
| 07:53.54 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: thats it |
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| 07:54.06 | prjktdtnt | simonrvn: doesnt appear to be unfortuneately |
| 07:54.12 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 07:54.37 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: can you send your config to grandpaul@gmail.com ? |
| 07:55.21 | prjktdtnt | one sec |
| 07:56.28 | prjktdtnt | i am gonna reinstall (after purging configs) and then run without any mods to config and see if it works anyway |
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| 07:56.58 | christianp | hi all |
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| 07:57.09 | christianp | karsten, are you online? |
| 07:58.04 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: the DEFAULT config doesnt seem to work |
| 07:58.12 | prjktdtnt | lemmie email you a few pieces |
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| 08:02.13 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: ok should be there anytime |
| 08:03.06 | paulliu | did you use root to run icecast2 -c ? |
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| 08:03.25 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: no cause it gives me this error (#flood one sec) |
| 08:04.17 | prjktdtnt | ?? |
| 08:05.08 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: you can edit /etc/default/icecast2, change ENABLE=false to ENABLE=true |
| 08:05.18 | paulliu | and use /etc/init.d/icecast2 start to start your icecast2.. |
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| 08:07.26 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: friggin nice...finally lets see if it works...brb |
| 08:07.53 | christianp | to create and verify a backup on a DAT, i used a Karsten's script that, after doing a tar cf to backup files, it does a tar tf to verify the backup. Now i obtain errors in verify: how can i find what was wrong? |
| 08:08.00 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: try http://<hostname>:8000/.... |
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| 08:09.35 | prjktdtnt | well it does display the page |
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| 08:10.00 | paulliu | And now you can broadcast your music with clients.. you can try ice2 first... |
| 08:10.44 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: ice2...will do |
| 08:10.56 | litage_ | don't you just love it when It Just Works (tm)!! |
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| 08:11.21 | mhall | Dewi: :-( |
| 08:11.50 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: what do you mean? |
| 08:11.50 | mhall | prjktdtnt: Yeah I would bring you some if I were headed to the Wasatch Front. |
| 08:12.08 | prjktdtnt | mhall: nice! |
| 08:12.36 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: the html frontend it gives...shows |
| 08:12.50 | mhall | prjktdtnt: I last went there on 14 August though unfortunately. |
| 08:13.01 | mhall | prjktdtnt: How did you end up over there? |
| 08:13.01 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: so apt-get install ices2 |
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| 08:13.19 | mhall | prjktdtnt: The freeway drivers, traffic, and air quality are really bad. |
| 08:13.29 | prjktdtnt | mhall: been stuck here for 15 years when my parents moved here (i was 3) |
| 08:13.36 | mhall | prjktdtnt: And, the geopgraphy is so narrow that everything is very constrained and foobarred. |
| 08:13.37 | prjktdtnt | mhall: oh trust me I know |
| 08:13.59 | mhall | prjktdtnt: I got stuck going through it to get from Boise to Grand Junction, CO. |
| 08:14.02 | prjktdtnt | mhall: yup...good beginner wheelin trails not more than about 10-15 miles away |
| 08:14.15 | prjktdtnt | mhall: lol going through SLC huh? |
| 08:14.18 | mhall | prjktdtnt: Speaking of which have you ever driven on US 6? |
| 08:14.25 | mhall | prjktdtnt: That's a scary road. |
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| 08:14.32 | prjktdtnt | mhall: us6...cant say I have |
| 08:14.56 | mhall | prjktdtnt: I don't recommend it at any time besides the broadest of broad daylight. |
| 08:15.16 | mhall | prjktdtnt: I got stuck going through it in a thunder storm with a huge load of uncovered cargo in my pickup truck. |
| 08:15.31 | TwistedEmotions | Uhhh.. everytime I run mozilla-firefox it seems like it loads then crashes... any ideas... consule gives... "The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error. |
| 08:15.31 | TwistedEmotions | This probably reflects a bug in the program. |
| 08:15.31 | TwistedEmotions | The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'." |
| 08:15.36 | mhall | prjktdtnt: Needless to say I wasn't real happy about it. |
| 08:15.38 | TwistedEmotions | Sorry for scroll. |
| 08:15.45 | mhall | prjktdtnt: So is your family LDS or something? |
| 08:16.20 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: I wrote a e-mail to you.... |
| 08:16.22 | mhall | The one place in Utah I like is Canyonlands National Park. |
| 08:16.27 | mhall | That's a nice place. |
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| 08:16.44 | prjktdtnt | mhall: no my dad had family up here...we WERE LDS for about 2 months untill my dad pissed off the local bishop and got us all ex-ed :D(best thing that ever happened to me) |
| 08:16.45 | mhall | And best of all it's 50 miles from the main road so hardly anybody goes to it. |
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| 08:16.57 | mhall | prjktdtnt: ! wow how did he do that? |
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| 08:17.15 | Guerin | mhall: offered him a cup o' tea |
| 08:17.43 | prjktdtnt | mhall: i dont remember but i know he told him to f*** off at one point and that was it |
| 08:17.51 | mhall | Guerin: hehe, but there are herbal kinds which are OK |
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| 08:18.04 | mhall | prjktdtnt: wow, wish that'd happen to my former best friend's family |
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| 08:18.16 | mhall | prjktdtnt: he's gotten all mormonized and won't really talk with me anymore |
| 08:18.18 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: thanks got your email |
| 08:18.36 | TML | mhall: That's just moronic |
| 08:18.41 | mhall | prjktdtnt: so which city did you end up in? |
| 08:18.49 | prjktdtnt | TML: Mor(m)monic :P |
| 08:18.53 | prjktdtnt | mhall: layton |
| 08:18.56 | mhall | TML: Agreed. We were friends since... third grade. |
| 08:18.59 | TML | Well, I've been "all mormonized" for almost 20 years, and I still talk to mhall. |
| 08:19.07 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: not only music, if you use theora to encode your video, icecast2 can broadcast it too... |
| 08:19.38 | TML | Everyone takes their religion differently, I guess, even if they're the same religion. |
| 08:19.43 | mhall | prjktdtnt: ooh right next to the lake, talk about prime real estate |
| 08:19.52 | Guerin | witness martin luther |
| 08:19.57 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: its just to have music for friends and whatnot |
| 08:20.04 | mhall | TML: I think his family had some really direct descendants that made the hand cart trip. |
| 08:20.12 | prjktdtnt | mhall: we're about 5 miles from the lake (give or take) |
| 08:20.15 | mhall | TML: So I believe they are pretty militantly LDS. |
| 08:20.33 | mhall | prjktdtnt: yeah that's some snazzy property right there </sarcasm> ;-) |
| 08:20.38 | TML | mhall: *shrug* Still, there's nothing at all in the religion that says to shun people. In fact, quite the opposite. He should be trying to share. |
| 08:20.52 | sep | militantly religious mormons ??? im glad im religiously challenged ! |
| 08:21.01 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: what's your upload bandwidth? |
| 08:21.02 | prjktdtnt | mhall: i know...good ol lake effect smell...bleh |
| 08:21.07 | TML | prjktdtnt: heh |
| 08:21.18 | prjktdtnt | prjktdtnt: uhh something like 40 or 50 |
| 08:21.46 | mhall | TML: In principle, yes. But the problem is that I think there are a certain number of behaviors I exhibit (being atheist and therefore rather blasphemous by nature) that cause political problems for him with his relatives. |
| 08:22.00 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: oops that was meant for you on the last comment |
| 08:22.42 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: how many of your friends want to listen to your broadcasting?.. |
| 08:22.44 | nvz | you people are being all off-topic without me |
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| 08:23.08 | mhall | TML: There was a point where he did share a lot of it with me, but I kind of had to stop associating with it because there was an amount of forceful persuasion I did not appreciate. Not from him but from others that were present. |
| 08:23.12 | Guerin | nvz: watch out for virtual sharks |
| 08:23.25 | TML | mhall: *shrug* As I said, everyone interprets it differently. Still, what you describe would make me MORE inclined to be around you, not less...you know, hoping to change your heathen ways, and what not. |
| 08:23.27 | nvz | Guerin: never ran into any sharks on IMDB before |
| 08:23.36 | simonrvn | not even jaws? |
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| 08:23.42 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: oh probably 1 at most lol |
| 08:23.57 | mhall | The other thing I find patently frustrating about the LDS system is that I as a non-member would not be allowed to attend a friend's wedding, etc. |
| 08:23.59 | nvz | just fat old men's over opinionated reviews |
| 08:24.15 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: even though all my friends know of it none of them visit it...kinda a waste of a server really (hence why i use it as a desktop machine) |
| 08:24.33 | mhall | nvz: When bored, I go rent a movie from their top 250. I haven't been steered astray yet. |
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| 08:24.51 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: So you can wait IceShare which is a P2P streaming... |
| 08:24.54 | Guerin | isn't titanic in their top 10? |
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| 08:25.22 | TML | Guerin: If so, I'd say that's definitely a strike against them. :) |
| 08:25.29 | mhall | TML: But I do appreciate your opinion of the situation, and while it might not seem like it, I appreciate that not all LDS members have the same outlook as my friend did. |
| 08:25.52 | Guerin | hrm, my dns lookups are taking seconds |
| 08:25.57 | Guerin | as opposed to milliseconds |
| 08:26.03 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: ? |
| 08:26.15 | mhall | Guerin: Anything statistical will have outliers. |
| 08:26.42 | mhall | Guerin: However I searched http://www.imdb.com/chart/top for this string and did not get any matches. |
| 08:26.52 | nvz | mhall: I already got movies to watch. Just looking up something I caught glimse of on tv yesturday at a friends house |
| 08:27.32 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: I'm not good at english, hard to explain IceShare... |
| 08:27.37 | mhall | nvz: Right-O. It was just that your discussion topic brought this to my memory so I figured I'd mention it just for conversation's sake. |
| 08:27.40 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: oh ok |
| 08:27.42 | nvz | realized I own more Jackie Chan movies than Jet Li or Bruce Lee...etc figured thats some kind of travesty |
| 08:27.53 | mhall | paulliu: Where are you from? |
| 08:27.57 | Guerin | mhall: you're right, it's not too bad. I must be thinking about something else. |
| 08:28.04 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: how would I "ls" my mp3 directory and pipe it into a new document (ex play.txt) |
| 08:28.08 | nvz | I am looking up a Jet Li movie right now.. never realized he had so many fucking aliases |
| 08:28.09 | paulliu | mhall: I'm from Taiwan... |
| 08:28.12 | Guerin | maybe it was the NY Times best films of all time, or somesuch |
| 08:28.26 | Guerin | prjktdtnt: ls > ls.txt |
| 08:28.27 | mhall | nvz: I watched http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368909/ the other day. That was a pretty good movie. |
| 08:28.38 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: don't use ices2, use xmms-liveice, it would be easier.. |
| 08:28.39 | mhall | nvz: In a similar topic area to the ones you mentioned. |
| 08:28.43 | prjktdtnt | Guerin: thx |
| 08:28.51 | mhall | nvz: Excellent stunt work. |
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| 08:28.57 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: so what you are listening is "live" transfered to icecast2 |
| 08:28.58 | Guerin | but honestly |
| 08:29.20 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: xmms-liveice (via apt-get or is it somewhere in www land?) |
| 08:29.30 | Guerin | there are some duds in there |
| 08:29.43 | mhall | Guerin: Anything statistical will have outliers. |
| 08:29.49 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: it is in debian contrib...-.- |
| 08:29.54 | nvz | mhall: yeah if its "Rated R for sequences of strong violence, language, some drug use and sexuality" its got to be good right? |
| 08:29.56 | mhall | Guerin: And what is good to some is terrible to others. |
| 08:30.02 | mhall | nvz: :-) |
| 08:30.14 | mhall | nvz: I like you style of thinking. |
| 08:30.18 | prjktdtnt | paulliu: ...? |
| 08:30.26 | prjktdtnt | !prjktdtnt |
| 08:30.26 | dpkg | hmm... prjktdtnt is an idiot |
| 08:30.29 | Guerin | mhall: lies. I am the supreme arbiter of taste. I didn't go to file skool for four years for no reason :) |
| 08:30.35 | Guerin | film skool |
| 08:30.40 | Guerin | not metalworking class |
| 08:30.49 | zxsykco | Any recommendations for a good debian minimal install? |
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| 08:31.13 | simonrvn | any debian starts off that way. unless you're talking embedded ;) |
| 08:31.14 | mhall | Guerin: You went to film school? Sweet. |
| 08:31.17 | Shadowpillar | sup |
| 08:31.20 | nvz | mhall: I watched Dead End last night, and in the past few days I've seen The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy, The Longest Yard, and Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story. |
| 08:31.23 | mhall | Guerin: Or did you mean </troll> |
| 08:31.29 | paulliu | prjktdtnt: Debian contrib..?? I don't know how to explain it... |
| 08:31.37 | simonrvn | !contrib |
| 08:31.37 | dpkg | contrib is, like, debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end. |
| 08:31.42 | Shadowpillar | I keep getting this damn error when I try to use crosshurd |
| 08:31.42 | mhall | nvz: I've been meaning to see some Family Guy movies. |
| 08:32.01 | Guerin | mhall: no, i really did. |
| 08:32.08 | Shadowpillar | Package slang1 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 08:32.15 | Shadowpillar | this is from debian unstable |
| 08:32.28 | Shadowpillar | some package keeps referring to slang1 |
| 08:32.29 | Guerin | Shadowpillar: welcome to Sid. |
| 08:32.30 | nvz | mhall: that movie Dead End was mildly thrilling, mostly repetitive B.S. and cheap thrills and when you finally reached the conclusion of it all you found yourself rather dissapointed |
| 08:32.40 | simonrvn | Shadda`: have you updated lately? |
| 08:32.44 | simonrvn | Shadda`: sorry |
| 08:32.50 | simonrvn | Shadowpillar: ^^^^ |
| 08:32.55 | Shadowpillar | this is for crosshurd |
| 08:33.01 | mhall | nvz: Lately I watched that warrior file, Amityvile Horror 2 (it sucks but there were hot females-- meh!), Memento, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, and Dukes of Hazzard (sucked). |
| 08:33.02 | jm_ | we should just ignore such messages, let the fuckers read some shit first |
| 08:33.03 | Shadda` | How dare you take my name in vain |
| 08:33.09 | Shadowpillar | trying to build a debian/hurd system |
| 08:33.17 | Shadda` | /k simonrvn ...oh right...this isn't my channel |
| 08:33.17 | Shadda` | fud. |
| 08:33.26 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 08:33.28 | prjktdtnt | thx again |
| 08:33.30 | mhall | nvz: Also borrowed the DVDs of BBC (UK) Coupling Seasons 1-3 from a friend. Pretty amusing. |
| 08:33.31 | simonrvn | asshole |
| 08:33.42 | Shadowpillar | simonrvn: what rep should I use to fix this? |
| 08:33.44 | zxsykco | Well, more specifically, I would like to create a linux-live cd similar to the phlak kit and wish to keep a debian base.. |
| 08:33.46 | yang | Where could I find out which graphic card uses my old dell laptop? |
| 08:33.48 | Guerin | Shadowpillar: find and install the package. |
| 08:33.52 | mhall | simonrvn: I plonked somebody earlier for refusing to use for loop cp commands to recover data from a corrupted disk. |
| 08:33.57 | Guerin | Shadowpillar: also check the BTS. |
| 08:34.06 | simonrvn | Shadowpillar: your usual one |
| 08:34.06 | Shadowpillar | BTS? |
| 08:34.07 | mhall | simonrvn: and insisting upon cp -R or find which will crash when they hit disk errors |
| 08:34.09 | simonrvn | @bts |
| 08:34.11 | ravenbird | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename . Anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
| 08:34.11 | prjktdtnt | does anyone know of an amarok script that would do the same as xmms-liveice? |
| 08:34.14 | Shadowpillar | I'm on ubuntu atm |
| 08:34.19 | simonrvn | #ubuntu |
| 08:34.23 | nvz | mhall: being a yinzer I cannot stand british people.. but my grandmother loves the BBC |
| 08:34.47 | Shadowpillar | simonrvn: but, crosshurd is the same as it is on debian, and uses debian repositories |
| 08:34.59 | nvz | mhall: you don't want to watch anything with british people around me, cause I will spend the whole movie making fun of how they talk. |
| 08:34.59 | mhall | simonrvn: 22:30 < mhall> takahiro: Alright, I've had it. FUCK YOU! I'm tired of your shit. *PLONK* |
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| 08:35.12 | simonrvn | Shadowpillar: you'll get better distro-specific help. and no buts, ands, or ifs |
| 08:35.14 | Shadowpillar | simonrvn: so, I'm wondering what's the best repository to use |
| 08:35.19 | Guerin | Shadowpillar: wtf? You're mixing debian and ubuntu? |
| 08:35.22 | Shadowpillar | simonrvn: they'll just tell me to go here |
| 08:35.24 | Shadowpillar | no I'm not |
| 08:35.27 | Shadowpillar | shit |
| 08:35.28 | sep | Shadowpillar, you are on ubunto and want to migrate to debian, read about the chroot install |
| 08:35.32 | simonrvn | Shadowpillar: um, that's why it's broken? |
| 08:35.33 | Shadowpillar | no |
| 08:35.35 | Shadowpillar | NO |
| 08:35.39 | Guerin | Shadowpillar: what do you have installed? |
| 08:35.44 | mhall | nvz: Get ouddahee, ya schmendrick! |
| 08:35.45 | mhall | nvz: ;-) |
| 08:35.49 | simonrvn | ok, so what then? get your story straight ;) |
| 08:35.52 | Shadowpillar | I'm making a jail |
| 08:35.59 | Shadowpillar | for a gnu hurd system |
| 08:36.02 | mhall | nvz: Now, yinzer, that's an everyday Philadelphian? |
| 08:36.02 | Guerin | Shadowpillar: oh, ok. You are in a chroot? |
| 08:36.02 | Shadowpillar | via crosshurd |
| 08:36.14 | Guerin | Shadowpillar: my initial advice stanbds. |
| 08:36.20 | simonrvn | mhall: heh |
| 08:36.26 | nvz | mhall: http://www.pittsburghese.com/glossary.ep.html?type=nouns |
| 08:36.28 | Shadowpillar | Guerin: no, not in a chroot |
| 08:36.43 | Shadowpillar | Guerin: basically bootstrapping a gnu/hurd debian system with crosshurd |
| 08:36.45 | mhall | nvz: I always keep looking that term up and forgetting it, hehe. |
| 08:37.01 | nvz | !yinzersmite mhall |
| 08:37.13 | Guerin | Shadowpillar: i don't know how crosshurd works, but I DO know how debian package management works. If a package doesn't exist, you need to create it, or fix the dependency which requires it. |
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| 08:37.27 | Shadowpillar | Guerin: which is? |
| 08:37.34 | mhall | nvz: lol! that's a language all of its own |
| 08:37.40 | emm | hi1 |
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| 08:37.49 | Guerin | Shadowpillar: ? |
| 08:37.56 | mhall | nvz: I'm a left coast central California ersatz redneck. |
| 08:37.59 | emm | hi! |
| 08:38.09 | zxsykco | Ahoy! |
| 08:38.30 | nvz | mhall: ever heard a true yinzer speak? like Myron Cope or someone? its hilarious |
| 08:38.33 | Shadowpillar | Guerin: how am I supposed to fix something that isnt really a system, it's downloading .deb's toa directory to create a chroot |
| 08:38.49 | mhall | nvz: Are there any yinzer comedians? I'd rather like to heard some of this. |
| 08:38.49 | Shadowpillar | and after downloading the package lists, it gives me that |
| 08:38.58 | emm | kinsa ch |
| 08:39.03 | Shadowpillar | mhall: what part of california? |
| 08:39.04 | mhall | nvz: There's got to be somebody famous who talked that way. |
| 08:39.11 | mhall | Shadowpillar: Modesto! |
| 08:39.19 | Guerin | Shadowpillar: fix the utility which is downloading it, or complain to the ubuntu maintainers about their package. |
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| 08:39.28 | nvz | mhall: not any funny ones that I know of. I've been to the funny bone in station square, and the only thing that ammused me was the prices of drinks. |
| 08:39.32 | Guerin | Shadowpillar: it's bound to have a list of packages; edit that list. |
| 08:39.38 | emm | hi! asl opls! |
| 08:39.44 | TwistedEmotions | !tes |
| 08:39.47 | TwistedEmotions | !test |
| 08:39.47 | dpkg | Sorry, twistedemotions, I didn't get your test. |
| 08:40.16 | zxsykco | !test Bong! |
| 08:40.17 | dpkg | Testing Bong!... PARITY ERROR - SYSTEM HALTED$#$ |
| 08:40.26 | nvz | mhall: Myron Cope is a pretty famous local sports announcer guy. always talks about the Stillers innat. |
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| 08:40.43 | prjktdtnt | !test wanpoofclackclackclack |
| 08:40.43 | dpkg | Testing wanpoofclackclackclack... *****$$#$ |
| 08:40.59 | yang | Where could I find out which graphic card uses my old dell laptop? to set up X |
| 08:41.09 | shingouz | !laptop |
| 08:41.10 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 08:41.18 | shingouz | yang: ^^^there |
| 08:41.19 | sep | yang, lspci |
| 08:41.29 | yang | shingouz: there is no entry for my laptop |
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| 08:41.43 | nvz | I don't think I will ever go to the comedy club again, or anywhere in station square for that matter. a shot of bacardi superior was like $5.50 |
| 08:41.50 | Katana | is there anyone that runs reiser4 with 2.6.13? |
| 08:41.58 | shingouz | yang: lspci comes to mind next.... or the dell support site and google |
| 08:42.06 | drac | Katana: yes. |
| 08:42.10 | Shadowpillar | mhall: ontario here |
| 08:42.10 | mhall | Shadowpillar: Why do you ask? |
| 08:42.19 | Shadowpillar | mhall: So Cali |
| 08:42.25 | mhall | Shadowpillar: Ah so-cal suburb pride! |
| 08:42.26 | nvz | there was some bum dude trying to sell big long cigars for $3 we tried to haggle him down to $1 but he wouldnt go any lower than $2 so we tole him to fuck off. |
| 08:42.27 | drac | Katana: http://iphitus.loudas.com/archck.php |
| 08:42.47 | mhall | Shadowpillar: What would socal be without burbs? |
| 08:42.54 | mhall | Shadowpillar: Navigable, perhaps. |
| 08:43.01 | yang | nvz: drink water next time |
| 08:43.03 | mhall | My fridge is really pissing me off right now. |
| 08:43.09 | Shadowpillar | mhall: we're a ways away from San Bernardino and LA |
| 08:43.23 | Shadowpillar | mhall: So we're more or less the big city for out here :P |
| 08:43.29 | Katana | drac: thanks, have you have encountered any kind of problems? |
| 08:43.42 | mhall | Something in it smells rotten but there are only 10 things in it, and none of them individually smells rotten. WTF, mate? |
| 08:43.53 | mhall | Shadowpillar: Yeah hence the discount airport. |
| 08:43.53 | simonrvn | and bacardi is crap... yikes, ... 5.50? |
| 08:43.57 | Shadowpillar | mhall: fontana, cucamonga, pomona, monclair, upland, chino, mira loma, are all ontario's suburbs :P |
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| 08:44.17 | drac | Katana: Nope, has worked like a charm so far. |
| 08:44.19 | nvz | yang: you can't its open during show hours, you show up and get a ticket to see their lame assed comedy show and there's a 3 drink minimum and if the shit wasnt so expensive I would probably drink about 30 because it would take at least that to find anyone funny there. |
| 08:44.34 | drac | Katana: MM kernels are broken, so I use ArchCK instead to get Reiser4. |
| 08:44.58 | simonrvn | Shadowpillar: lemme guess, T.O.? |
| 08:45.05 | nvz | we sat at one of the reserved booths in the back and never paid a sitting charge, so it wasnt all bad. we just kind of snuck in at the right time and moved the reserved sign to another table |
| 08:45.09 | yang | nvz: looks like instead paying entrance you pay your drinks |
| 08:45.14 | mhall | Shadowpillar: so-cal is weird though because everything runs together |
| 08:45.22 | yang | nvz: its not much different when you go to moulin rouge in paris |
| 08:45.27 | mhall | Shadowpillar: but the 99 corridor is getting more that way |
| 08:45.30 | Shadowpillar | mhall: yeah |
| 08:45.31 | Katana | drac: thanks a lot :) |
| 08:45.35 | nvz | yang: I' |
| 08:45.46 | Shadowpillar | mhall: I lived in Tennessee for 11 years :P |
| 08:45.57 | Shadowpillar | mhall: if you wanna talk about things being spread out |
| 08:45.58 | nvz | yang: I've never been to paris but I am sure they dont have anything as lame as the Funny Bone in station square |
| 08:46.06 | mhall | Shadowpillar: At least you guys don't have to put up with the 91! |
| 08:46.17 | mhall | Shadowpillar: I hate that road ever so incredibly much! |
| 08:46.30 | Shadowpillar | mhall: the 91? |
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| 08:46.42 | mhall | Shadowpillar: Yeah you know to Riverside. |
| 08:46.46 | Shadowpillar | mhall: that freeway that goes through anaheim? |
| 08:46.49 | Shadowpillar | yeah |
| 08:46.56 | Shadowpillar | through riverside it's decent |
| 08:46.58 | mhall | Shadowpillar: Yeah, that is an abortion that lived. |
| 08:47.21 | Shadowpillar | through the pass between the cleveland national forest and chino hills, it's hell |
| 08:47.24 | mhall | Shadowpillar: My other mortal enemy is 210 to Pasadena. I got into an ugly traffic jam on that once. AT TWO FUCKING AM! |
| 08:47.33 | Shadowpillar | we were on it for 3 hours once coming back from the beach |
| 08:47.49 | Shadowpillar | mhall: the 10 freeway is good nowadays thanks to the 210 |
| 08:48.02 | nvz | I don't really hang out in da Burg much.. I'm not really into clubbin or gettin clubbed by the PCP I find its better at the spots outside town anyhow. |
| 08:48.03 | Shadowpillar | which now goes all the way to the 15 |
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| 08:48.33 | mhall | Shadowpillar: I'll remember that if I have to go out there again. hehe |
| 08:48.34 | Shadowpillar | simonrvn: give or take 10 years, you won't be able to get it up ;) |
| 08:48.35 | Shadowpillar | bike seats make men impotent |
| 08:48.42 | yang | nvz: we dont have comedy clubs where i live, i think that must be cool sometimes to see |
| 08:48.46 | mhall | Shadowpillar: Not if you get a good one. |
| 08:48.47 | Guerin | Shadowpillar: wtf? |
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| 08:48.58 | mhall | nvz: who are the PCP |
| 08:49.00 | Shadowpillar | mhall: what fucks up the 91 in that area is the 241. that road is fucking annoying |
| 08:49.06 | mhall | nvz: and are your clubs really that violent |
| 08:49.19 | nvz | mhall: Pittsburgh City Police.. ironic that abbreviates as PCP eh? |
| 08:49.42 | simonrvn | Shadowpillar: been riding for longer, and i now have a prostate friendly seat ;) |
| 08:49.46 | mhall | nvz: yeah that's why i was confuzzled ;-) |
| 08:49.49 | nvz | they actually have PCP ball caps you can get |
| 08:49.51 | Shadowpillar | Guerin: yeah, ounless you get a good one, they damage a nerve down there that gives you that oh so wonderful sensation :P |
| 08:49.54 | simonrvn | Shadowpillar: and i can still get it up |
| 08:50.04 | mhall | nvz: yeah you can order LAPD merch from the LAPD in ca.us |
| 08:50.06 | bob2 | hah |
| 08:50.08 | Shadowpillar | simonrvn: I'm gonna get a better seat for mine |
| 08:50.24 | mhall | nvz: one guy took some to florida and got arrested for impersonating an officer |
| 08:50.30 | Shadowpillar | be right back |
| 08:50.33 | simonrvn | well worh it. it was a foundling seat. fixed it up, works fine. oh so comfy now |
| 08:50.37 | Shadowpillar | need some soda water |
| 08:50.37 | simonrvn | worth* |
| 08:50.47 | mhall | nvz: he tried to explain the magic of teh intarweb but they didn't buy it |
| 08:50.53 | Guerin | Shadowpillar: hrm, i never noticed, from 15 years of bicycling everywhere. |
| 08:51.03 | yang | lspci shows me PCI bridge Intel corp. AGP bridge ; VGA compatible controller Neomagic NM2200 , which graphic should i choose? |
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| 08:51.12 | mhall | Guerin: i don't think it happens to everybody in the same way |
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| 08:51.24 | nvz | yang: it was only interesting because I had just came back from wandering around the country trying to get myself a little oblivion and trying to keep myself away from me.. and I came back several years later and found my friends right where I left them, and we all went out and had a good time regaurdless of the circumstances |
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| 08:51.36 | mhall | Guerin: my friend's dad got a bad seat once and ended up pissing blood for days |
| 08:51.46 | simonrvn | ouch :( |
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| 08:52.24 | mhall | simonrvn: yes, he warned us in no uncertain terms never to use anything but the best in bicycle seats |
| 08:52.32 | llama32 | what is the real difference between xf86 and xorg? |
| 08:52.40 | Guerin | mhall: eep. |
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| 08:52.49 | Guerin | llama32: license. |
| 08:53.01 | mhall | simonrvn: my current one is very disappointing for a $1500 bike. i'm going to call cannondale and bitch at them |
| 08:53.13 | simonrvn | oh yeh. worth it. i try to get good used parts. keep it maintained, and rides like a dream. i'm really fussy though, i'm always tweaking some thing or another |
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| 08:53.31 | simonrvn | mhall: you have a cannondale? holy |
| 08:53.45 | nvz | license is one of them words I can never remember how to spell. its got different variations that confuse the hell out of me when I am looking for the right word |
| 08:53.50 | mhall | simonrvn: yeah; 2005 prophet 600 |
| 08:53.51 | llama32 | Geurin: is there any performance or feature difference? |
| 08:54.08 | mhall | simonrvn: i decided i'd use my internship salary to do three things |
| 08:54.13 | simonrvn | my bike is always ghetto ;) |
| 08:54.22 | mhall | simonrvn: 1) have a budget to party my way through the last year of school |
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| 08:54.36 | simonrvn | it's a norco frame though. good stuff made here |
| 08:54.44 | mhall | simonrvn: 2) buy a medium ticket item ( $500 usd dell 20" flatscreen ) |
| 08:54.55 | Guerin | llama32: yes; xorg is more feature-rich than xfree86 now (though not by a huge amount, yet), and it's much more acvtively developed. Both of these facts arise from the difference in license. |
| 08:55.06 | mhall | simonrvn: 3) buy a large ticker item (choice of dual opteron or new full suspension bike) |
| 08:55.10 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:55.16 | Shadowpillar | mhall: speaking of norco, it's another chino hills now |
| 08:55.28 | mhall | simonrvn: i picked the bike because i decided exercise was a better long term goal than a dual opteron |
| 08:55.35 | llama32 | thanks Guerin |
| 08:55.36 | Shadowpillar | mhall: all the horse people are either being harassed to leave or are leaving because of rezoning, and whatnot |
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| 08:55.46 | nvz | for me the back rim is always the first thing to go. they havent built a bike that is strong enough for me. I ride fast and hard and I live in a valley, everything is uphill both ways :P |
| 08:55.49 | TwistedEmotions | Please help... when I try and boot firefox keep getting error 'The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. |
| 08:55.49 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:56.03 | Shadowpillar | mhall: in favor of the ugly ass conformist "homes" they build |
| 08:56.05 | TwistedEmotions | I purged and reinstalled same thing... |
| 08:56.08 | Shadowpillar | that are built like shit |
| 08:56.14 | mhall | so lately i've been doing tons of push-ups and lots of biking |
| 08:56.16 | simonrvn | mhall: sure |
| 08:56.19 | TwistedEmotions | I removed .mozilla same thing |
| 08:56.22 | mhall | already my arms are much much stronger |
| 08:56.26 | TwistedEmotions | I dont know what else to do |
| 08:56.38 | mhall | push-ups are pretty damn good exercise when you weigh 250 and are 6'4" |
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| 08:56.43 | simonrvn | nvz: yeh. i ride rough too. fast, hard, just like a courier ;) |
| 08:56.44 | liable | TwistedEmotions: erm, downgrade it? |
| 08:56.47 | TwistedEmotions | also I purged mozilla-mplayer plugin |
| 08:57.05 | TwistedEmotions | liable: run testing or something? |
| 08:57.06 | mhall | nvz: you'd be hardpressed to outride a cannondale full suspension |
| 08:57.13 | mhall | nvz: and if that can't hack it get an iron horse |
| 08:57.15 | Shadowpillar | one thing I like about debian is that it's really customiseable |
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| 08:57.25 | Shadowpillar | kinda like lego blocks |
| 08:57.26 | mhall | nvz: nothing short of a run-in with a steamroller would kill an iron horse |
| 08:57.32 | liable | TwistedEmotions: no, last one before this one, dpkg it from cache.. |
| 08:57.36 | mhall | Shadowpillar: Agreed 100%. |
| 08:57.36 | simonrvn | Shadowpillar: indeed |
| 08:57.46 | mhall | Shadowpillar: The package system rocks the casbah. |
| 08:57.58 | TwistedEmotions | liable: Errr.. dont know how to do that.. |
| 08:58.01 | nvz | I had been riding a Mongoose MGX something or other.. has dual suspension and everything.. still didnt hold up very well |
| 08:58.13 | mhall | nvz: mongoose is kind of an off brand |
| 08:58.24 | mhall | nvz: you've got to go US made for what you are doing |
| 08:58.26 | nvz | those cheap bikes like the Huffys and the Murrays I can tear up in a day or two |
| 08:58.38 | mhall | nvz: ideally you want heavy duty mountain bike or freeride bike |
| 08:58.58 | mhall | nvz: your choices would be an XC bike or a Freeride bike |
| 08:59.00 | Shadowpillar | nvz: yeah, I think mine is a murray, I forget, but it's falling apart and I havent ridden it that much |
| 08:59.02 | nvz | the mongoose is a heavy duty mountain bike. |
| 08:59.08 | mhall | nvz: anything else, you'd crack the hell out of it |
| 08:59.12 | Shadowpillar | most of the damage has been from other people |
| 08:59.13 | liable | TwistedEmotions: geez dude, dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox<tab> the second hoghest number. |
| 08:59.23 | mhall | nvz: all the mongoose bikes i saw were look tough but not act tough models |
| 08:59.44 | simonrvn | nvz: i have a permanent hop i've tried to true out of existence. it's still there though, but much less. i got it when i hit sidewalk too fast... both are alu rims |
| 08:59.47 | mhall | i've crashed my cannondale all over the place missing sidewalk edges, etc |
| 08:59.47 | Shadowpillar | the sprocket's now fucked up because my friend was a dick and tried going up a small 2 foot wall with it at a fast speed |
| 08:59.53 | mhall | and i've been injured more than it |
| 09:00.04 | Shadowpillar | saw a spark and the sprocket cover fly off |
| 09:00.07 | Shadowpillar | now it's warped |
| 09:00.09 | simonrvn | eek |
| 09:00.13 | mhall | Shadowpillar: lol |
| 09:00.15 | Shadowpillar | "OOPS SORRY MAN" |
| 09:00.33 | bibe | hi all. I am looking for a Debian package to install mod_sane apache2 module. Are anyone using it, please? |
| 09:00.39 | mhall | i had to go with an XC bike because i weigh so much that i pop road bike tires |
| 09:00.43 | TwistedEmotions | liable: only the most recent version is there... |
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| 09:00.55 | mhall | road bike tires can't handle 120 psi with a 250 lb guy on them |
| 09:00.58 | Shadowpillar | he's also why the reflector in back is broken, he's why the rims are fucked, he's why there are a bunch of scratches on it |
| 09:01.01 | TwistedEmotions | liable: I think I ran apt-get clean or something... dont know |
| 09:01.04 | liable | TwistedEmotions: snapshot.debian.net |
| 09:01.05 | simonrvn | i have slick fatties. i don't weight much, but i like the fat tires |
| 09:01.06 | mhall | but if i do any less pressure they flatten onto the road |
| 09:01.10 | TML | bibe: What is mod_sane? |
| 09:01.12 | mhall | Shadowpillar: so charge his sorry ass |
| 09:01.19 | Shadowpillar | he's why the old seat is torn up (his sister actually |
| 09:01.32 | Shadowpillar | all times he just jumped on my bike and took off and wouldnt get the fuck off |
| 09:01.33 | liable | TwistedEmotions: dont clean your cache so much if you run sid :) |
| 09:01.37 | Shadowpillar | mhall: he wouldnt pay |
| 09:01.40 | mhall | simonrvn: i go for the fat tires with rain tread because one time i turned too tight in the rain with slicks and just trashed myself |
| 09:01.44 | Shadowpillar | mhall: he buys too much pot |
| 09:01.49 | Shadowpillar | and stones himself shitless |
| 09:01.54 | mhall | Shadowpillar: dude! get a crew together and kick his ass |
| 09:01.55 | bibe | TML : it's a module to log multiple virtualhosts as if they were coming from the same domain |
| 09:01.57 | Shadowpillar | so he doesn't remember doing half the shit |
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| 09:02.13 | bibe | TML : I use it for statistics purposes |
| 09:02.28 | mhall | i have this dude at my .edu here that got into a pointless argument with me and just won't shut up |
| 09:02.29 | simonrvn | mhall: yeh, i did that once. but i slipped on a man hole cover, while it was still wet (one of those slick-topped covers, for underground cabling) |
| 09:02.33 | TML | bibe: I don't see any packages that seem to be named or contain anything named like mod_sane. |
| 09:02.42 | mhall | i'm about to get some friends in a frat to help me beat him down |
| 09:02.57 | Shadowpillar | ugh |
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| 09:03.00 | Shadowpillar | I hurt a lot |
| 09:03.10 | Horde | AAAAAAAGHHHHHH |
| 09:03.14 | Horde | hi |
| 09:03.28 | bibe | TML : this is why I'm asking here... ;) |
| 09:03.33 | mhall | simonrvn: yeah i've had some run-ins with those steel temporary panels they use to cover holes in the road |
| 09:03.39 | mhall | simonrvn: those are evil |
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| 09:03.50 | simonrvn | i hate those. that's *gotta* hurt |
| 09:03.57 | TML | bibe: That's my little way of telling you "it almost certainly has not been packaged for debian" |
| 09:04.10 | simonrvn | i've slipped on my fair share in the winter... |
| 09:04.16 | Shadowpillar | prob with my friend is, he's vengeful, he carries weapons, his dad is a biker with ties to white supremist guys and people in both the hell's angels and the mongols, has a gun, and a short temper, and I'm cool with him, and my chances at getting a good paying job are with him as well |
| 09:04.29 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 09:04.35 | mhall | Shadowpillar: ok then |
| 09:04.41 | mhall | Shadowpillar: give him your bike and get a new one |
| 09:04.50 | Shadowpillar | he'd want that btw |
| 09:04.51 | liable | selling amphetamines? |
| 09:04.58 | Shadowpillar | he wants my bike |
| 09:05.06 | Shadowpillar | liable: networking |
| 09:05.12 | bibe | TML : thank you |
| 09:05.16 | mhall | Shadowpillar: just give it to him; it's messed up enough you can't benefit from it |
| 09:05.17 | liable | oh, close :P |
| 09:05.22 | Shadowpillar | his dad is starting a cabling company |
| 09:05.32 | Shadowpillar | mhall: I can fix the bike |
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| 09:05.42 | mhall | Shadowpillar: but it sounded just entirely wrecked |
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| 09:05.57 | Shadowpillar | mhall: it's just...annoying that most of the damage on that bike have been from other people |
| 09:06.00 | simonrvn | just about anything is fixable with enough creativity and spare parts ;) |
| 09:06.01 | Horde | guys, when it says "your CPU does not support long mode. Use a 32 bit distrobution" does it mean i should get a 32 bit dist? |
| 09:06.20 | mhall | Horde: first off what CPU have you got |
| 09:06.34 | Shadowpillar | mhall: the rims arent completely warped, the sprocket needs to be bent back |
| 09:06.37 | simonrvn | 'distribution', FYI |
| 09:06.38 | Horde | AMD K6-2 |
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| 09:06.53 | mhall | Horde: you need an i386 linux distro then |
| 09:07.00 | Horde | gotcha |
| 09:07.02 | Horde | cheers |
| 09:07.14 | mhall | Horde: an amd64 one wouldn't work |
| 09:07.27 | mhall | Horde: since that would mean you have to have opteron, ath 64, or turion |
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| 09:07.33 | mhall | Horde: or intel Pentium D |
| 09:07.41 | fadi | hi all |
| 09:07.54 | bibe | hi fadi |
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| 09:08.39 | mhall | speaking of which |
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| 09:08.57 | strat | anyone know the name and location of the file i need to add a library path to it...compiled wine it installed libwine.so inti /usr/local/lib...and i need to add the path anyone know?? |
| 09:08.58 | mhall | What lines of EM64T chips are available from Intel besides Pentium D? |
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| 09:09.28 | simonrvn | strat: no you don't. /usr/local/lib is built into ld |
| 09:09.38 | TML | strat: man ld.so |
| 09:09.41 | simonrvn | er, ld.so |
| 09:10.08 | TML | simonrvn: Is it? The manpage only lists /lib and /usr/lib |
| 09:10.18 | strat | when i run wine it says it cant find libwine.so1,,but its under /usr/local/lib/ |
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| 09:10.54 | simonrvn | TML: well it is in debian, AFAICR |
| 09:11.23 | TML | simonrvn: *shrug* I thought it was just that /usr/local/lib is in /etc/ld.so.conf by default on debian |
| 09:12.00 | simonrvn | cat /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 09:12.00 | simonrvn | /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 09:12.07 | simonrvn | default one |
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| 09:12.45 | simonrvn | strat: check the symlinks for it. maybe it got symlinked wrong or something |
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| 09:13.02 | mhall | nvz: I downloaded some sounds of that guy. |
| 09:13.04 | Llama | hi all |
| 09:13.17 | mhall | nvz: A fan of his had a site devoted to recordings of the weird stuff he said. |
| 09:13.18 | Llama | how could I grab el-torito boot image from iso file ? |
| 09:13.26 | mhall | nvz: It's pretty funny. |
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| 09:13.41 | TML | simonrvn: Hmm...well, not that this means anything definitive, but I don't get anything from "strings /lib/ld.so | grep '/usr/local/lib'" |
| 09:13.42 | nvz | heh. |
| 09:14.02 | PoPnow | I started to install postgres sql and my machine just hanged and now I want to remove everything that has to do with postgres, how can I remove all postgre stuff, and the components it installed |
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| 09:14.08 | strat | cat: /etc/ld.so.conf: No such file or directory |
| 09:14.17 | simonrvn | TML: yeh, i'm probably wrong as to the where that's found. could be rpath stuff too |
| 09:14.40 | mhall | nvz: Yoi and double yoi! |
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| 09:15.04 | nvz | mhall: not many people in radio and public television can proudly act like yinzers like Myron Cope did for so many years |
| 09:15.04 | tobias3 | hi all |
| 09:15.13 | simonrvn | PoPnow: 'hung'. 'hanged' would be used differently |
| 09:15.26 | simonrvn | sorry for the grammar shit... |
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| 09:15.40 | mhall | nvz: Well I imagine he got away with it because he worked for the Steelers. |
| 09:15.49 | nvz | mhall: I havent seen or heard him in a long time I almost forget what he sounds like. the only thing I can remember is "Myron Cope, on sports" |
| 09:15.57 | mhall | nvz: It'd be hard to get more quintessentially Pittsburgh than that. |
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| 09:16.13 | PoPnow | simonrvn.. haha, sorry.. hehe |
| 09:16.23 | simonrvn | :) |
| 09:16.25 | raxmox | quick question : how do I determine which debian I've installed ("woody", "sarge")? |
| 09:16.31 | mhall | nvz: And sports has always been that way. Ex. Dick Vitale and Dennis Miller, etc. |
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| 09:16.43 | nvz | mhall: he used to do the sports segment on some local news too like KDKA or WPXI or something |
| 09:16.48 | Guerin | raxmox: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:16.53 | bob2 | raxmox: look in /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/debian_version |
| 09:17.05 | keith | Hi |
| 09:17.05 | mhall | nvz: Sports is one of the most regional aspects of TV. |
| 09:17.06 | PoPnow | simonrvn: do you know how to see what package postgre package I have installed so I can remove them |
| 09:17.14 | mhall | nvz: Second only to perhaps weather. |
| 09:17.27 | keith | I have problems with my video card |
| 09:17.28 | mhall | nvz: Ex being how goofy Dave Letterman's weather broadcasts used to be. |
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| 09:17.32 | nvz | mhall: yeah thats why I mentioned Myron Cope as an example of a true yinzer |
| 09:17.32 | raxmox | bob2: thanks a lot! |
| 09:17.40 | simonrvn | PoPnow: a few ways. dpkg, apt-cache... |
| 09:17.41 | keith | Could anyone help me? |
| 09:17.47 | bob2 | PoPnow: dpkg -L packagename |
| 09:17.50 | mhall | nvz: In those areas of the media you could get away with acting that goofy and nobody would get weird about it. |
| 09:17.57 | bob2 | PoPnow: but you should never manually remove files that came from a package |
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| 09:18.10 | nvz | mhall: thats not acting goofy though what he does. thats just the way he is. |
| 09:18.16 | liable | keith: if you actually explain what is wrong, then maybe.. |
| 09:18.22 | mhall | nvz: No I know what you mean. |
| 09:18.24 | keith | ok |
| 09:18.39 | mhall | nvz: I mean acting goofy relative to what people are used to as the national average. |
| 09:18.41 | keith | Yesterday I have installed debian 31 |
| 09:18.49 | PoPnow | bob2: how whould I remove all postgre packages, something went wrong in the installation and now I want to remove and do it from start |
| 09:18.50 | bob2 | 3.1. |
| 09:18.50 | keith | during installation |
| 09:18.59 | mhall | nvz: As in, you can't get away with not acting like Tom Brokaw if you are in something regional like sports or weather. |
| 09:18.59 | keith | maybe I make a mistake |
| 09:19.02 | bob2 | PoPnow: that is normally a bad path to go down |
| 09:19.15 | liable | keith: we dont want a story, just the problem. |
| 09:19.20 | mhall | nvz: Hence why those people are likeliest to do goofy stuff when compared with the others on the news. |
| 09:19.22 | keith | k |
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| 09:19.43 | keith | how can I setup video card after installation |
| 09:19.45 | keith | ? |
| 09:19.56 | mhall | keith: What kind of card? What kind of system? |
| 09:19.56 | keith | resolution is low |
| 09:20.00 | mhall | keith: What version of Debian |
| 09:20.09 | nvz | mhall: they got a big section on wikipedia about myron cope |
| 09:20.10 | liable | keith: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:20.12 | mhall | keith: What are you trying to do with it? 2D, 3D, ? |
| 09:20.17 | keith | ati rage pro 128 |
| 09:20.17 | mhall | nvz: ah let me look |
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| 09:20.35 | PoPnow | bob2: is there any list to see what package the box have installed that contains postgre? |
| 09:20.37 | Aaron | hello all, how do you look at apt-get search? I forget the command. in gentoo linux its emerge -s "terms" |
| 09:20.51 | nvz | apperently it was WTAE he used to be on |
| 09:20.54 | keith | I think I need drivers |
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| 09:21.15 | bob2 | PoPnow: dpkg -l postgres | grep ^ii |
| 09:21.24 | bob2 | Aaron: apt-cache search whateva |
| 09:21.29 | liable | keith: use the ati one, should work on that card. |
| 09:21.31 | nvz | mhall: says he has an Autobiography called "Double Yoi" I might have to read it sometime :P |
| 09:21.33 | Aaron | thanks bob2 |
| 09:21.44 | keith | liable: I try |
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| 09:21.59 | keith | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:22.12 | drac | keith: No, you need to load kernel modules drm, r128 and your AGP bridge support (agpgart + intel_agp or via_agp and so on) and use driver "ati" in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. |
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| 09:22.16 | keith | thank you very much |
| 09:22.41 | drac | for both, 2d and 3d |
| 09:22.52 | keith | ok |
| 09:22.54 | mhall | nvz: yeah i saw that |
| 09:23.06 | mhall | nvz: apparently it's a real goofy book |
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| 09:23.18 | keith | ok |
| 09:23.19 | nvz | mhall: I didnt know he invented The Terrible Towel and the nicknames for the players |
| 09:23.34 | nvz | I am a native, and fucking wikipedia knows more than me |
| 09:23.39 | mhall | nvz: i liked the bungles |
| 09:23.43 | mhall | nvz: that's a great nickname |
| 09:23.45 | bob2 | haha |
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| 09:23.50 | keith | I'm working now this evening I try |
| 09:23.50 | bob2 | wikipedia knows all |
| 09:24.05 | mhall | bob2: it truly is $DEITY |
| 09:24.15 | bob2 | I just hope they don't let the Wikipedia article get too complicated |
| 09:24.24 | bob2 | or it will become self-aware and take control of the interweb |
| 09:24.25 | mhall | export --global DEITY='http://www.wikipedia.org/' |
| 09:24.31 | mhall | bob2: hmm |
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| 09:26.09 | Aaron | how do you pause listings when you are using apt-search? |
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| 09:26.41 | nvz | pause? heh |
| 09:26.44 | Guerin | Aaron: |less |
| 09:26.45 | nvz | you mean page |
| 09:27.13 | Aaron | yeah like in dos for just a page you would type command/p |
| 09:27.14 | mornfall | pausing can be done via scrolllock ;-) |
| 09:27.17 | nvz | and you would use pager for that |
| 09:27.22 | liable | hah, i stuffed if could actually understand what was meant by that.. |
| 09:27.45 | Aaron | mornfall, how do I do that? |
| 09:27.47 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:28.06 | mornfall | Aaron: nah, was more or less joking |
| 09:28.10 | Aaron | oh |
| 09:28.11 | mornfall | Aaron: just use command | less |
| 09:28.21 | Aaron | ok... |
| 09:28.24 | mornfall | Aaron: or command | more |
| 09:28.26 | mornfall | whatever works :) |
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| 09:28.53 | simonrvn | if it doesn't work, you make it work ;) |
| 09:28.55 | Aaron | ok screw this. what do you recommend for an MP3 player? |
| 09:29.12 | Guerin | Aaron: cplay |
| 09:29.14 | liable | Aaron: for x? |
| 09:29.32 | nvz | Aaron: mpg321, madplay. I use cplay for a frontend |
| 09:29.36 | simonrvn | i gotta sleep. g'night you #debianers |
| 09:29.55 | nvz | simonrvn: goodnight you canadianer |
| 09:29.57 | Aaron | umm how do I get out of | less? |
| 09:30.01 | nvz | q |
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| 09:30.05 | jm_ | by reading the docs |
| 09:30.07 | Aaron | thanks |
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| 09:30.15 | nvz | jm_: you're evil |
| 09:30.16 | jm_ | or built-in help |
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| 09:31.30 | strat | was in here about 10 minutes ago asking about ldconfig ..couldnt get wine to work..went back into wine source and did make uninstall then did make install again and now wine seemd to work.. |
| 09:31.32 | TwistedEmotions | Are there any decent web browsers out there expect mozilla? |
| 09:31.39 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: nope. |
| 09:31.42 | liable | while we are on the mp3 player thing, what can i use that will actually work to play a dump from a stream that doesnt eof..(while the stream is still being dumped) |
| 09:31.45 | TwistedEmotions | fuck |
| 09:31.55 | liable | TwistedEmotions: downgrade didnt work? |
| 09:32.00 | Guerin | liable: mplayer |
| 09:32.00 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: my firefox doesnt work.. console me. |
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| 09:32.15 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: lynx works in console |
| 09:32.15 | liable | Guerin: it shits itself randomly. |
| 09:32.27 | tobias3 | is there a way how I can make a backup remotely of a linux server? I am not sure if Partition Image can make bacups of mounted partitions |
| 09:32.37 | nvz | heh I never realized they painted people when they had the same actor playing multiple roles apperently they paint other actors blue or green and replace them digitally :P |
| 09:32.42 | liable | Guerin: the only one yet is xmms, and i this is a headless box. |
| 09:33.00 | Guerin | liable: madplay? mpg321? mp3 (like all mpeg data) is built for streaming, so it doesn't rely on you having the whole file. |
| 09:33.03 | TwistedEmotions | liable: dont feel like looking for a older version since I dont have a browser to go to that site with |
| 09:33.13 | Guerin | liable: xmms plays mp3 with madlib, as i understand it. |
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| 09:33.56 | Aaron | how do you run a window manager? |
| 09:34.02 | Aaron | I am using blackbox. |
| 09:34.04 | liable | Guerin: tried cplay, it seems to only take into account the size of the file at the time of start, therefore stops, doesnt keep playing a growing file. |
| 09:34.10 | jerico | hi |
| 09:34.14 | jerico | hi |
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| 09:34.27 | mr-bkov | hi all |
| 09:34.32 | Aaron | hi |
| 09:34.32 | TwistedEmotions | now why would you do something like that? |
| 09:34.39 | Aaron | me? |
| 09:34.45 | TwistedEmotions | no jerico |
| 09:34.47 | Aaron | oh |
| 09:34.48 | Aaron | lol |
| 09:34.49 | liable | TwistedEmotions: what version of firefox you have? |
| 09:34.53 | Aaron | because he is stupid? |
| 09:34.58 | Anders | TwistedEmotions, 11:34:14 <-- debhelper has kicked jerico from #debian (flood) |
| 09:34.59 | TwistedEmotions | Opera doesnt have a debian package? |
| 09:34.59 | Aaron | I've got 1.7 |
| 09:35.09 | TwistedEmotions | 1.7-1 |
| 09:35.12 | Anders | he's not even here |
| 09:35.15 | mr-bkov | i got a question, im confused about debian distro, what makes it different from other distros like slackware and redhat? |
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| 09:35.32 | TwistedEmotions | Anders: I know.. was just wondering why someone would do something like that.. |
| 09:35.36 | Aaron | ummm can someone help me with setting up a window manger? |
| 09:35.37 | lyy | what'sthe debian pack i need to install if i need to recompile the debian kernel? |
| 09:35.40 | Anders | ok |
| 09:35.56 | jm_ | opera does have .deb-s |
| 09:35.57 | sep | mr-bkov, it's consistent, stable and reliable |
| 09:35.57 | peej | mr-bkov : debian concentrates on freedom. |
| 09:36.00 | nvz | mr-bkov: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 09:36.12 | ytan | somebody try emms? |
| 09:36.13 | Guerin | lyy: kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev bzip2 |
| 09:36.19 | lyy | Guerin: thnks! |
| 09:36.24 | TwistedEmotions | liable: 1.7-1 according to dpkg -l |
| 09:36.57 | Aaron | can someone help me with setting up a window manger? |
| 09:37.14 | mr-bkov | but debian is linux right? i mean the core is just the same? |
| 09:37.20 | Aaron | can someone help me with setting up blackbox window manger? |
| 09:37.21 | drac | Aaron: What WM? Is X.org installed? |
| 09:37.35 | Aaron | blackbox drac. |
| 09:37.43 | Aaron | and I don't know what x.org is. |
| 09:37.46 | peej | mr-bkov : kernel is linux |
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| 09:37.48 | Aaron | so I'm guessing no... |
| 09:37.51 | nvz | mr-bkov: debian is debian |
| 09:37.55 | Guerin | !tell Aaron about set up x |
| 09:38.03 | nvz | peej: linux is a kernel. |
| 09:38.12 | Guerin | !set up x =~ s/sid/sid or etch/ |
| 09:38.12 | dpkg | that's too long, Guerin |
| 09:38.14 | nvz | mr-bkov: read the links I gave you |
| 09:38.16 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:38.23 | drac | Aaron: as root: apt-get install blackbox x-window-system as normal user: echo 'exec /usr/bin/blackbox' > ~/.xsession |
| 09:38.35 | lyy | where does debians kernel include usually reside? |
| 09:38.46 | lyy | /usr/src/linux/include isn't there |
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| 09:39.12 | drac | lyy: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) or apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 09:39.32 | peej | mr-bkov: yeah, nvz is right about linux being A kernel. Also have another one called hurd. But main one that most people are using is linux. |
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| 09:39.42 | lyy | drac: thanks |
| 09:39.42 | drac | lyy: they'll be in /usr/src after apt-getting. |
| 09:39.43 | nvz | lyy: /usr/src/kernel-headers-$(uname -r)/include |
| 09:40.03 | Anthro | Is there a driver for the BCM4306 wireless chipset? |
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| 09:40.06 | peej | mr-bkov: then you call it Debian GNU/Linux or Debian GNU/Hurd. |
| 09:40.23 | Aaron | drac, I just want the window manager so I can scroll stuff... |
| 09:40.27 | mhall | !comfort TwistedEmotions |
| 09:40.28 | dpkg | There, there, TwistedEmotions. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 09:40.46 | drac | Aaron: You need those, what I said or it won't run at all. |
| 09:40.47 | peej | for me the underlying principle of freedom is what is important. |
| 09:40.48 | Aaron | I don't want something big drac because I am using linux as a game server. |
| 09:41.06 | Aaron | so what do you think I should do drac? |
| 09:41.20 | Aaron | live without the window manager? |
| 09:41.21 | nvz | lyy: /usr/src/include is stupid assumes you will have only one source tree you will ever need includes for |
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| 09:41.26 | karl | I keep getting "Error reading from server Remote end closed connection" from apt-proxy The second time I apt-get update - It says hit and refreshes How can I fix that ? |
| 09:41.36 | drac | Aaron: Install X and blackbox or Not install X and blackbox, choise is yours. |
| 09:41.40 | mhall | peej: even RMS himself admits Hurd sucks |
| 09:42.45 | peej | RHat doesn't bother as much about freedom. Slack... dunno what their stand is. Gentoo does it from source (though there are binaries, but in principle it concentrates on source, using a system called portage). |
| 09:42.50 | liable | TwistedEmotions: wget ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_1.0.6-5_i386.deb |
| 09:42.54 | Aaron | how do you display the time? |
| 09:43.01 | Anthro | Aaron: date |
| 09:43.21 | Anthro | Does CUPS auto-discover SMB-shared printers? |
| 09:43.34 | nvz | peej: maybe you should see also the links i gave him that directly addressed his questions. |
| 09:43.41 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.54 | tobias3 | is there a way how I can make a backup remotely of a linux server? I am not sure if Partition Image can make bacups of mounted partitions |
| 09:43.54 | nvz | pretty much covers what debian is about and why to use it |
| 09:44.41 | Anthro | tobias3: It depends on what you are trying to do. You can ssh <server> tar czf - <stuff to backup> > backup.tgz |
| 09:44.45 | nvz | strange I just put on one deoderant over another I put on hours ago and combined they smell kind of like cinnomin rolls or something |
| 09:44.55 | Anthro | nvz: tmi |
| 09:45.26 | nvz | Anthro: plz, I can get way more informative. |
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| 09:45.49 | Anthro | nvz: Too much is merely a threshold, not a challenge. |
| 09:45.54 | ircdevil | hi |
| 09:45.55 | nvz | heh |
| 09:46.02 | nvz | Anthro: I like that one. |
| 09:46.09 | mhall | lol |
| 09:46.13 | mhall | semantics! |
| 09:46.17 | peej | nvz: he was asking about what differentiated it from Redhat etc. I know what Debian is about. The most important reason to me is freedom. |
| 09:46.17 | Anthro | !lol |
| 09:46.18 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 09:46.34 | Anthro | Okay, back when I get to work. |
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| 09:46.47 | liable | dont start with the free beer shit! |
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| 09:46.57 | ircdevil | what application (debian) is good for plotting stuff from a csv filer? i really hate excel, and i think that openoffice spreadsheet is bloated too. |
| 09:47.06 | ircdevil | !beer liable |
| 09:47.08 | nvz | peej: redhat and the comparison is off-topic here. We neither want or have to entertain that. he can take those official documents, read them, then go talk to people that use redhat or read their PR BS |
| 09:47.13 | peej | I mean, sure, apt-get is the crown jewel, but is it better than portage? |
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| 09:47.54 | TwistedEmotions | sorry I was away... thanks mhall and liable ;) |
| 09:47.55 | liable | peej: um, and what answer do you expect from #debian? |
| 09:48.07 | TwistedEmotions | liable: am going to try that package now |
| 09:48.09 | mr-bkov | peej: slackware stands for reliable and fast |
| 09:48.18 | nvz | peej: apt-get is only a frontend to dpkg, and there are many many others. |
| 09:48.27 | peej | I expect an appraisal of why the Debian way is better. |
| 09:48.32 | nvz | peej: main difference being that apt has super cow powers |
| 09:48.35 | mr-bkov | peej: and other distros are stilll linux right? and AFAIK is free |
| 09:49.16 | nvz | mr-bkov: for fucks sake, please read the damn documents on debian.org debian's definition of "free" is much different than that of other distros and dictionaries |
| 09:49.17 | Guerin | mr-bkov: linux is a kernel. |
| 09:49.35 | TwistedEmotions | liable: same shit. |
| 09:49.41 | TwistedEmotions | liable: I think it's xorg.. |
| 09:49.54 | liable | TwistedEmotions: hrm, buggerer.. |
| 09:49.55 | peej | mr-bkov: RHAT veers towards proprietary at times with some apps. Debian stays hard core with GPL or GPL-compatible stuff. |
| 09:49.57 | Guerin | mr-bkov: slackware stands for 'nothing automatic, do it all yourself, don't use this distro if you plan on being a slacker' |
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| 09:50.20 | nvz | mr-bkov: if you have questions above and beyond that answered in those preliminary documents then ask. get some basis before you ask these kinds of questions. I've pointed you in the right direction.. seek and ye shall find |
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| 09:50.31 | Guerin | nvz: apt-get is a frontend to libapt. It calls dpkg to do some work, but not most of it. |
| 09:50.31 | TwistedEmotions | liable: yeah well.. going to sleep... tommorow I will actually try to fix hardcore ;) |
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| 09:50.33 | liable | !qotd30 |
| 09:50.33 | dpkg | i heard qotd30 is <rich_> Thats really the reason you have so much trouble. Linux is just a kernel to you. Without the apps yould be lost. For me, the kernel is the os, and if thats all I had, Id write my own apps |
| 09:50.38 | TwistedEmotions | gnite ;) |
| 09:50.42 | Guerin | !liable++ |
| 09:50.55 | Guerin | ah, rich_ was the king of all trolltards |
| 09:50.56 | liable | TwistedEmotions: nite. |
| 09:51.10 | mr-bkov | Guerin: yeah slackware stands for that, is that wrong? |
| 09:51.19 | mr-bkov | i mean why not use slackware then |
| 09:51.23 | Guerin | mr-bkov: not at all. |
| 09:51.34 | Guerin | mr-bkov: why not? Because it's more work than is necessary. |
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| 09:52.18 | nvz | Guerin: what I am getting at is there are dselect, aptitude, synaptic..etc which do the same tasks most all of them depend on libapt in some form or another |
| 09:52.21 | Guerin | mr-bkov: i'm lazy, that's why i use debian. |
| 09:52.46 | Guerin | nvz: i know what you're getting at; you can get at the same thing while actually being correct just as easily. |
| 09:53.03 | nvz | I've got to go have some breakfast I am tired of telling this idiot to read the why_debian document and other intro documents |
| 09:53.06 | sussudio_ | nvz: http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity/ |
| 09:53.30 | nvz | sussudio_: ty :) |
| 09:53.33 | snail | could someone suggest a .mov player for debian? |
| 09:53.38 | mr-bkov | mmm but thats not the only reason right? if debian says its easier than to "do it ur self" than it means debian is easier.. redhat is easy to then |
| 09:53.45 | drac | snail: mplayer, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 09:53.50 | sussudio_ | snail: nein |
| 09:54.05 | Guerin | mr-bkov: debian is both easy and sane |
| 09:54.07 | sussudio_ | drac: mplayer plays mp4 now? |
| 09:54.12 | Guerin | mr-bkov: redhat is only one. |
| 09:54.15 | snail | drac sussudio_: thanks |
| 09:54.19 | Guerin | sussudio_: sure does. |
| 09:54.22 | drac | sussudio_: sure |
| 09:54.32 | drac | is there something mplayer doesn't play? |
| 09:54.32 | mr-bkov | sorry, Guerin: sane? |
| 09:54.49 | sussudio_ | Guerin: i'm not talking about mpeg4, i'm talking about apple's version |
| 09:54.52 | Guerin | mr-bkov: not broken and stupid by default. |
| 09:55.05 | Guerin | sussudio_: i know what you're talking about. |
| 09:55.06 | drac | sussudio_: i've played video files straight from apples site |
| 09:55.25 | nvz | mplayer seems to play anything. I've not found a file I cant play with it. If xine doesn't play it, mplayer will |
| 09:55.38 | Guerin | sussudio_: it plays the container format - it also plays [xh]264, which is the codec apple's videos use |
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| 09:55.53 | drac | yeah, it plays even anime .mkv's with h264 in container |
| 09:56.07 | liable | thats a good link.. |
| 09:56.13 | Guerin | nvz: i've found some mp4 video and x264 it won't play, and some wmv it plays, but xine plays substantially better |
| 09:56.16 | nvz | liable: the stupidity? |
| 09:56.25 | Guerin | drac: ooh, someone using matroska |
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| 09:56.32 | drac | Guerin: indeed |
| 09:56.46 | nvz | It plays DVD and VCD bin files without having to burn the bin/cue to cd |
| 09:56.58 | drac | .img's too |
| 09:56.59 | nvz | xine wont do it |
| 09:57.01 | liable | nvz: yeah |
| 09:57.16 | peej | mr-bkov: debian tends to play nicely with itself. It's more of a stickler for policy so less stuff tends to be broken in the stable tree. Most people who know what is smart tend to run debian stable as the server choice out of the linux distros. |
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| 09:57.39 | nvz | liable: I will read it later.. I need to make some breakfast and go exercize. :) |
| 09:57.43 | Anders | ROOT has landed |
| 09:57.46 | peej | actually, no stuff should be broken in stable. |
| 09:58.02 | nvz | I normally exercize first, but I think I am too hungry for that this morning |
| 09:58.08 | nvz | I will end up quitting too soon. |
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| 09:58.38 | lyy | anyone here installed sarge as a guest os on vmware before? |
| 09:58.51 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 09:58.51 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:58.57 | Guerin | lyy: ^ |
| 09:58.59 | sussudio_ | !anyone yuse |
| 09:58.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, capiche? You don't mess with the family. |
| 09:59.02 | nvz | I wish I had some flour tortillas and some more of the chicken fried rice.. I would make it into a breakfast burrito |
| 10:00.12 | nvz | going to have to settle for something more western and not as satisfying... but it'll make a turd I am sure whatever it is. |
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| 10:01.06 | sep | lyy, ofcouse someone have, now ask a real question, and stop polling the channel |
| 10:01.10 | golly | when I try to force a shutdown now command in a script, it just shutsdown X.......how do I force a complete machine shutdown. |
| 10:01.50 | sep | golly, the user running shutdown have authority to shutdown the machine ? |
| 10:02.04 | golly | yeah it's a script running as root. |
| 10:02.28 | golly | sep or at least I think it is. |
| 10:02.34 | golly | sep how do I tell |
| 10:02.36 | golly | ? |
| 10:02.49 | nvz | could remake that AC/DC song "bad questions, are IRC pollution, dumb people are gonna die" |
| 10:03.22 | sep | golly, /usr/bin/id > /tmp/test in your script and look at that after script execution stoped |
| 10:03.29 | lyy | i installed sarge as a guest os on vmware. i tried to install it's vmware-tools on it, but now, it seems to have configured X such that it doesn't work anymore. anyone have some suggestions? |
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| 10:03.55 | sep | lyy, sorry, never bothered with X on any vmwared os's |
| 10:04.03 | golly | sep : will do |
| 10:04.09 | lyy | ok |
| 10:04.13 | golly | sep yup it's root |
| 10:04.51 | sep | lyy, suggest you read tru the X config vmware created modifying your debian created X file whereever apropriate, and use the debian one |
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| 10:05.06 | lyy | sep: looks like that's how it's gonna be |
| 10:05.16 | lyy | sep: thanks for suggestion |
| 10:05.42 | lyy | what's the debian x conf file called nowadays? |
| 10:05.43 | sep | lyy, or even better. run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, choosing the vmware required configs. |
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| 10:05.59 | lyy | sep: oooh great idea |
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| 10:06.06 | sep | XF86Config-4? |
| 10:06.33 | sep | lyy, /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 10:08.05 | Dingy | is there a way to manually remove a package which seems to have screwed up |
| 10:08.21 | sep | Dingy, tried dpkg -P packagename ? |
| 10:08.27 | Guerin | Dingy: apt-get remove package |
| 10:08.38 | Guerin | apt-get -f remove; will do it too |
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| 10:09.23 | bob2 | if by "screwed up" you mean "the prerm script is fucked", then you need to fix it |
| 10:09.42 | Dingy | that seems to be it |
| 10:09.49 | Dingy | all those commands suggested return the same error |
| 10:10.05 | sep | dings, and we get to guess the error message? |
| 10:10.12 | Dingy | sorry |
| 10:10.13 | Guerin | !paster |
| 10:10.13 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 10:10.19 | Dingy | I was trying to figure out what was relevant |
| 10:10.24 | bob2 | that's usually a bug in the package, fwiw |
| 10:10.31 | Dingy | Removing bootsplash-theme-newlinux ... |
| 10:10.32 | Dingy | dpkg: error processing bootsplash-theme-newlinux (--purge): |
| 10:10.32 | Dingy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.32 | Dingy | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 10:10.32 | Dingy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:10.34 | bob2 | or means you manually deleted/broke something in an odd way |
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| 10:11.05 | Dingy | bob2, I think it is the package that is broken |
| 10:11.08 | sep | Guerin, your optimistic :) |
| 10:11.09 | Guerin | !paster $1 is <reply> $1: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 10:11.09 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 10:11.15 | Guerin | !paster Dingy |
| 10:11.16 | dpkg | Dingy: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 10:11.40 | Dingy | right |
| 10:11.42 | Dingy | sorry about it |
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| 10:13.27 | Dingy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/837 |
| 10:13.28 | sep | dingy i wasn't aware aof any debian package called that ? are you sure you have not installed a package from some shady source ? or a non debian package? |
| 10:13.52 | Dingy | sep, it's not an official debian package |
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| 10:14.05 | bob2 | you need to talk to whoever made it |
| 10:14.08 | bob2 | since it's broken |
| 10:14.12 | Dingy | right |
| 10:14.29 | bob2 | making the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/bootsplash-theme-newlinux.prerm be "set -x" will give you mroe debugging output, tho |
| 10:15.47 | Dingy | thanks |
| 10:17.27 | liable | is it terribly hard to get my home box to relay emails only from me, to my isp, so i can send emails as me from wherever or whatever account i am connected to? |
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| 10:18.40 | dorto | how to know what pcmcia driver the os is currently using? |
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| 10:18.54 | dorto | any file in /etc/pcmcai contains the info? |
| 10:19.14 | liable | lsmod. |
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| 10:19.20 | debugger | morning |
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| 10:19.44 | PoPnow | bob2: sorry for being anoying about packages with postgre, but how do I search for package that has been installed on the box that contains anything with postgre, apt-cache search postgre will look for all avalible postgre package i can install but how to see what's on my box? |
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| 10:21.03 | jethro | PoPnow: dpkg -l postgre* |
| 10:21.10 | dous | hi, I've got this problem regarding X. there seems to be a "ghost" duplicate of my screen, a few pixels to the right. it's like I'm seeing double/blurry. is this most likely to be a problem with my monitor settings in xorg.conf ? |
| 10:21.27 | dorto | liable: i see a long list; pcmcia_core is one among them. how do i find out which module, if any, is handling my pcmcia card? |
| 10:22.17 | dorto | cardctl ident -> product info: "Intersil", "ISL3890", "-", "-" |
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| 10:22.55 | liable | dorto: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 10:22.55 | dorto | i don't know if i need to install any(which?) driver or if a driver for this already exists on my machine |
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| 10:23.16 | dorto | my wireless card is not detected in debian 3.1 |
| 10:23.24 | dorto | pcmcia is installed |
| 10:23.37 | liable | dorto: and the card is? what chipset? |
| 10:24.08 | dorto | card is netgear wg511 |
| 10:24.28 | dorto | cardctl ident returns that it is "Intersil" based |
| 10:24.40 | dorto | i pasted above |
| 10:24.46 | nkuttler | dorto: prism54.org, install hotplug and the firmware |
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| 10:25.29 | liable | dorto: did you actually try google linux+wg511? |
| 10:25.32 | nkuttler | dorto: /msg dpkg prism54 |
| 10:26.29 | PoPnow | jethro: my computer went weird and hung when I installed postgre and now it seems like it won't work so I wonder if there's any way to remove all the components and start all over again, or do you have any good idea how to do? |
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| 10:26.57 | jethro | PoPnow: define "won't work". |
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| 10:27.46 | PoPnow | I can't create a user |
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| 10:28.34 | nvz | I've found that usually when someone says "won't work" or "doesn't work" its PICNIC |
| 10:28.37 | PoPnow | so I would like to force debian to reinstall all the postgre packages again |
| 10:28.38 | jethro | PoPnow: as far as I remember, postgres on debian defaults to using system users. |
| 10:28.47 | debugger | anyone known in wich package the man page for ptsname is? I've searched that file at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents, but no luck :| |
| 10:28.47 | dorto | yes; googling since morning |
| 10:28.52 | dorto | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.52 | jethro | PoPnow: apt-get --reinstall install postgres-foo |
| 10:29.12 | jethro | PoPnow: man apt-get , see --purge/--reinstall and also man dpkg |
| 10:29.27 | dorto | oops |
| 10:29.32 | dorto | i got it now :) |
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| 10:29.44 | Horde | FUDGE that was stupid, got the dos looking debian :( |
| 10:29.50 | nkuttler | !prism54 |
| 10:29.50 | dpkg | i heard prism54 is http://prism54.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1043 |
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| 10:30.27 | Horde | !!!!! |
| 10:30.27 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 10:30.59 | liable | hehe, didnt know that one existed.. |
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| 10:31.14 | Horde | well |
| 10:31.18 | Horde | aparently it does :) |
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| 10:31.42 | dorto | my card doesn't seem to be recognised as prism; cardctl inetd says "Intersil", is that ok? |
| 10:31.48 | Horde | + i only have 1 blank cd left, so i better make it count |
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| 10:32.00 | janimo | can i apt-pin packages using wildcards i.e Pin: openoffice2* ? |
| 10:32.04 | nvz | Horde: there's nothing wrong with your debian installation. |
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| 10:32.22 | nvz | Horde: just because it boots to a console at stage 2 doesnt mean you cant use it |
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| 10:32.29 | deby | hello, what was the command to force apt-get overwrite some file ? |
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| 10:32.37 | nvz | Horde: if you cant handle that no ammount of cds in the world will save you |
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| 10:33.07 | nvz | its absolutly routine and how every single debian install goes |
| 10:33.15 | Guerin | deby: man apt_config |
| 10:33.16 | liable | !qotd110 |
| 10:33.16 | dpkg | < cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help |
| 10:33.19 | Guerin | deby: man dpkg |
| 10:33.30 | Horde | hang on |
| 10:33.30 | Guerin | deby: short answer: you should never have to. |
| 10:33.41 | dorto | great links those :) thx nkutter liable |
| 10:33.42 | Horde | so your telling me |
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| 10:33.51 | Horde | ugh i feel stupid |
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| 10:34.17 | Horde | so someone walk me through this stage please cos i have no clue whats going on |
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| 10:34.44 | nvz | dpkg, flw44 is < Horde> FUDGE that was stupid, got the dos looking debian :( < Horde> !!!!! < dpkg> "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric < Horde> + i only have 1 blank cd left, so i better make it count |
| 10:34.44 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
| 10:34.49 | sime_ | debian doesn't have a mp3 encoder, right ? |
| 10:34.54 | liable | Horde: what have you done? just installed? |
| 10:34.59 | Horde | yeah |
| 10:35.02 | nvz | dpkg famous last words =~ s/43/43|44/ |
| 10:35.03 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
| 10:35.19 | liable | Horde: as root 'tasksel' pick desktop environment |
| 10:35.34 | Horde | pardon? |
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| 10:36.08 | Guerin | sime_: right. |
| 10:36.09 | liable | ffs log in as root, type tasksel, press space bar at the desktop bit, hit enter... |
| 10:36.11 | nvz | Horde: L O G I-i-i N a s r o o t ... run tasksel. |
| 10:36.25 | Horde | okok im totally new to linux |
| 10:36.28 | Guerin | sime_: marillat or rarewares have lame |
| 10:36.30 | Horde | be gentle plz |
| 10:36.37 | EdLin | sime_: Debian has a number of Mp3 players in its repository and does not cripple programs such as xmms to not run them out of the box. |
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| 10:36.48 | Guerin | EdLin: that wasn't the question |
| 10:36.57 | sime_ | Guerin EdLin, didn't realise.. because mp3 decoder was included, assumed encoder as well |
| 10:37.31 | Guerin | sime_: fraunhofer have demonstrated that they will enforce their encoder patents, but not their decoder patents. |
| 10:37.34 | Guerin | supposedly |
| 10:37.35 | nvz | to think I am going to go running without the police chasing me |
| 10:37.39 | laszlo_ | Hello, is it exsist a tool for checking file content against extension? something like 'file', but 'file' dosn't know the extensions.. |
| 10:37.53 | Guerin | laszlo_: extensions mean nothing. |
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| 10:37.58 | Horde | .... |
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| 10:38.12 | laszlo_ | Guerin, i know, i just want to check the files what the users upload against the extension |
| 10:38.16 | sime_ | Guerin, ic, so the supposedly is why some distro's do not include a decoder |
| 10:38.19 | Guerin | laszlo_: why? |
| 10:38.20 | laszlo_ | becouse they hide 'data' into .JPG |
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| 10:38.34 | laszlo_ | i do free web hosting, and they fill me up with 'data' |
| 10:38.38 | nvz | you mean like exif, or like steganography |
| 10:38.52 | Guerin | laszlo_: just check it with file, and if it's not of a required file type, disallow it. |
| 10:38.54 | laszlo_ | i use stegdetect btw.. but sometimes they rename a .rar to .jpg |
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| 10:39.17 | Guerin | nvz: i guess he means omg-pr0n.avi.txt |
| 10:39.20 | laszlo_ | i allow every file type, but i don't want to allow aliased file types |
| 10:39.25 | nvz | heh |
| 10:39.35 | laszlo_ | like om-pr0n.jpg |
| 10:39.40 | Guerin | laszlo_: i don't know of a way to do this. |
| 10:39.46 | nvz | windows users *sigh* |
| 10:39.49 | laszlo_ | me too :/ |
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| 10:40.15 | laszlo_ | i have written a 'warez' detection software what calculate karma points |
| 10:40.15 | Guerin | sime_: each distro has differing levels of paranoia about this issue |
| 10:40.23 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:40.23 | laszlo_ | users whit negative karma gets removed.. |
| 10:40.56 | laszlo_ | but if they rename the files the karma detection sw, thinks that's legal.. and i have too much users.. |
| 10:41.03 | nvz | If I did that I would be on one lonely network |
| 10:41.27 | laszlo_ | but, if i do not allow to upload aliased files i won.. |
| 10:41.37 | laszlo_ | hm.. but then will rename the file with php.. |
| 10:41.41 | nvz | oh well I am leaving for some excercize.. its damn near 7am already I've procratinated long enough |
| 10:41.56 | laszlo_ | :((((( |
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| 10:42.14 | groton | hello all |
| 10:42.30 | Guerin | laszlo_: yeah. Run checks with 'file' on upload, summarily delete files which aren't the right type, and penalise the user who uploaded them. |
| 10:42.45 | Guerin | laszlo_: file isn't hugely resource-intensive |
| 10:42.58 | Horde | hang on, to i logged in as root... |
| 10:43.02 | Horde | so* |
| 10:43.05 | laszlo_ | that's ok.. but i have to hand map image/jpeg to .jpg |
| 10:43.14 | EdLin | Horde: don't log in as root, su to root |
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| 10:43.20 | groton | how do i know if a package was compiled with stdc++6 or 5? i need all the gtk/gtkmm packages compiled with stdc++6, and i am not sure if the actual debian packages are |
| 10:43.23 | Guerin | laszlo_: i believe it doesn't require the whole file to work, as well - so you could do it before the bulk of the data was uploaded. |
| 10:43.24 | laszlo_ | becouse i allow to upload an image/jpeg as .jpg, but i don't allow to upload a data as .jpg |
| 10:43.39 | bob2 | groton: apt-cache show packagename | grep ^Depends |
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| 10:43.49 | Horde | then i tried 'run taskel' 'taskel' exec taskel' and they all didnt work.... |
| 10:43.49 | bob2 | groton: in sid they have been transititioned |
| 10:43.54 | bob2 | or else people would have been spanked |
| 10:44.05 | groton | the sid is "unstable" distribuition? |
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| 10:44.12 | Yoe | "A spanking, a spanking!" |
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| 10:44.15 | bob2 | groton: yes |
| 10:44.20 | groton | many thanks |
| 10:44.27 | Pixels- | does anyone know how to fix the apt-get update errors of Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) |
| 10:44.34 | laszlo_ | Guerin, i don't really understand you. :| |
| 10:44.34 | Guerin | laszlo_: allow any extension to be uploaded. Just run 'file' over them as they're being uploaded, and go from there. |
| 10:44.35 | nkuttler | Horde: apt-get install tasksel |
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| 10:44.45 | laszlo_ | Guerin, that's i want |
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| 10:44.51 | laszlo_ | but i have to hand map extensions.. |
| 10:44.57 | Guerin | laszlo_: what filetypes DO you want to allow? |
| 10:44.58 | bob2 | Pixels-: sounds like you're behind a broken http proxy |
| 10:45.05 | Guerin | laszlo_: no, extensions don't come into this. |
| 10:45.06 | bob2 | Pixels-: does changing your /etc/apt/sources.list to use ftp fix it? |
| 10:45.07 | laszlo_ | Guerin, everything |
| 10:45.10 | liable | Horde: dpkg -l tasksel |
| 10:45.10 | Pixels- | nope |
| 10:45.18 | Pixels- | ive used http and ftp |
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| 10:45.26 | Guerin | laszlo_: no, you just said you don't want to allow data files or rar archives, etc. |
| 10:45.27 | laszlo_ | Guerin, i just don't want audio/mpeg-3 as .pdf |
| 10:45.28 | Pixels- | ive googled it, and lots of people having the same problem |
| 10:45.34 | bob2 | Pixels-: how about using a different mirror? |
| 10:45.40 | Guerin | laszlo_: oh, i see. |
| 10:45.40 | bob2 | Pixels-: oh, and show us your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood |
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| 10:45.56 | Guerin | laszlo_: you don't mind what types, as long as they match the extension. |
| 10:45.56 | Pixels- | well, mine arent the same as regular debian |
| 10:45.59 | liable | Horde: errr, its 'tasksel'.... |
| 10:46.00 | Pixels- | im using Mepis right now |
| 10:46.05 | laszlo_ | Guerin, Yes |
| 10:46.10 | groton | bob2, libc6 and stdc++6 are the same thing? i.e. the second based over the first? |
| 10:46.10 | Horde | oh |
| 10:46.13 | Pixels- | and it uses etch instead of sarge |
| 10:46.20 | Guerin | laszlo_: you could rewrite the filenames based on the output of 'file' |
| 10:46.36 | bob2 | groton: no, they're different things |
| 10:46.36 | liable | Horde: whithout the ' |
| 10:46.39 | bob2 | Pixels-: awesome |
| 10:46.39 | Guerin | laszlo_: sanitise them. |
| 10:46.46 | EdLin | Pixels-: that's not the only difference between Mepis and Debian |
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| 10:47.16 | laszlo_ | that's ok Guerin, but i still have to hand map the type to the extension. My question was there is an option to skip that step ;) |
| 10:47.20 | Pixels- | well yeah :) |
| 10:47.22 | Pixels- | i pasted it in #flood |
| 10:47.23 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:47.40 | Guerin | laszlo_: no further ideas, really. |
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| 10:48.03 | laszlo_ | thank you Guerin, i have to give hand somebody... brb |
| 10:48.03 | bob2 | Pixels-: use http.us.debian.org instead of ftp.d.o |
| 10:48.14 | Pixels- | okay, let me try it |
| 10:48.51 | Pixels- | hmm |
| 10:48.54 | Pixels- | ty it worked lol |
| 10:49.13 | Horde | ok i got the tasksel bit, it gives me a choice of laptop or manual config, and when i press enter it just goes back to the cosole thing |
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| 10:49.41 | Horde | nvm |
| 10:49.43 | jemtland | Hello. I have recompiled my own kernel, and now I want to stop aptitude upgrade from installing new kernels. Anyone know how I should do this ? I have tryd with a Ignore sentens in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf, ignoring linux-image, but this doesnt work as expected. |
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| 10:50.05 | liable | Horde: oh jeez, push the up/down keys till you get to the desktop bit, hit space, then enter... |
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| 10:50.36 | Horde | there IS no desktop bit : s |
| 10:50.40 | bob2 | jemtland: eh? |
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| 10:50.55 | liable | Horde: what distro are you installing? |
| 10:51.04 | bob2 | jemtland: just remove whatever debian kernels you don't want |
| 10:51.06 | nkuttler | jemtland: if your kernel works, just remove the images. or keep and upgrade them. |
| 10:51.25 | Horde | uhhhh |
| 10:51.26 | Guerin | jemtland: /msg dpkg hold |
| 10:51.28 | jemtland | bob2: nkuttler og. |
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| 10:51.43 | jemtland | sorry :) ok |
| 10:51.46 | jemtland | thanks |
| 10:51.58 | Horde | not a clue |
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| 10:52.08 | liable | ... |
| 10:52.13 | nkuttler | Horde: apt-cache policy base-files? |
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| 10:52.27 | liable | Horde: well, why the hell are you here then? |
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| 10:53.54 | Horde | hang inim going to re-install |
| 10:53.59 | liable | Horde: no |
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| 10:54.14 | Horde | from a diff disk, cos i think that was old |
| 10:54.35 | nkuttler | Horde: no need to reinstall |
| 10:54.45 | liable | Horde: is it debian or not? |
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| 10:55.11 | Horde | yeah its debian |
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| 10:55.59 | liable | well, run tasksel, pick desktop, its at the top of the menu... |
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| 10:56.09 | Horde | hmm |
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| 10:56.34 | Horde | i got 2 options, laptop and manual install |
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| 10:56.57 | EdLin | Horde: then you're not running Debian |
| 10:57.02 | Horde | yeah i am |
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| 10:57.25 | EdLin | Horde: maybe you're running something "based on Debian" |
| 10:57.28 | dorto | what is meant by un(unknow, not unistalled) in the dpkg -l <pn> output? it means i should/can do apt-get install <pn> ? |
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| 10:57.33 | liable | Horde: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:57.43 | dorto | s/unistalled/installed |
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| 10:58.18 | liable | Horde: also 'uname -r' |
| 10:58.26 | laszlo_ | hm.. Guerin i think i can teach 'file' for the extension. I just have to run against a LOT of files, then filter out what's ok and what's not. I mean when file found for the extension 'jpeg' the image/jpeg 5000 times, and found RAR by 50 times. thats mean jpeg is for image/jpg |
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| 10:58.57 | dorto | is there a command to find the name of the distribution also? |
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| 10:59.26 | Dewi | what port would vnc display "1" run on? |
| 10:59.27 | Dewi | 4801? |
| 10:59.52 | Yoe | 5901 or 5801 |
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| 11:00.09 | Horde | look when i go to tasksel and i get a blue screen thing, 2 options laptop and manual. its headed with debian sofware selection |
| 11:00.17 | Blissex | Dewi: but if it is an X display created by VNC it will be 6001 |
| 11:00.36 | Yoe | Blissex: no, then the X display will run there, not the VNC port. |
| 11:00.40 | Blissex | Horde: you can use 'aptitude' to do tasks too. |
| 11:00.43 | Yoe | uh, s/port/server/ |
| 11:00.44 | Dewi | Blissex: that's okay, I'm trying to VNC in, not connect an X client |
| 11:00.48 | EdLin | Horde: it may say "Debian software selection" because that's the only thing that wasn't modified in whatever it is you're installing. |
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| 11:01.07 | Horde | okok |
| 11:01.12 | Horde | i did the uname -r |
| 11:01.14 | liable | Horde: uname -r paste the result |
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| 11:01.27 | Horde | 2.6.12-1-386 |
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| 11:01.52 | dorto | how to specify a debian mirror in apt source list? http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ is giving error |
| 11:02.03 | EdLin | Horde: it's not a Debian install disk then. |
| 11:02.07 | liable | Horde: thats *not* debian, prolly mepis or somesuch.. |
| 11:02.13 | bob2 | dorto: look at the other lines in there |
| 11:02.20 | Horde | i dl'd it of the debian site! |
| 11:02.32 | dorto | there is sarge///cdrom sth; that is all |
| 11:02.39 | Dewi | Horde: have a URL? |
| 11:02.42 | bob2 | dorto: apt-setup can do it for you, then |
| 11:02.54 | EdLin | !d-i Horde |
| 11:02.54 | pureone | dorto run apt-setup |
| 11:02.55 | dpkg | Horde, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:03.00 | dorto | ok |
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| 11:03.31 | Dewi | Horde: that kernel is too new to be an install disk, unless it's a non-stable one |
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| 11:03.45 | Horde | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/sarge/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:03.54 | eXa_bOy | in freeBSD they have jails. what is the equilivent in debian? |
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| 11:04.03 | dorto | i was chosing 'edit' in apt-setup; selecting 'http' did the trick. thx |
| 11:04.05 | EdLin | Horde: you don't want to install from a testing image. |
| 11:04.10 | Dewi | Horde: yeah, if you're having problems I suggest using the "stable" netinst instead |
| 11:04.21 | EdLin | Horde: try the URL dpkg told you about above |
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| 11:04.45 | Dewi | EdLin: somebody needs to file a bug for that stuff... like, I made the same mistake a number of times the other month when I installed. And I've been using earlier versions of debian for years. |
| 11:04.48 | liable | Horde: 404 on that one.. |
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| 11:05.11 | dorto | is there an easy way to install the latest kernel in debian? i use debian 3.1 and kernel 2.4 |
| 11:06.07 | bob2 | eXa_bOy: the equivalent is "using freebsd" |
| 11:06.11 | dorto | or i have to manually build and install the kernel from sources? |
| 11:06.19 | Horde | ok im reinstaling |
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| 11:06.35 | Horde | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:06.37 | Horde | that one |
| 11:06.39 | Horde | ?? |
| 11:06.40 | bob2 | dorto: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 11:06.46 | eXa_bOy | bob2, surely i will not have to goto freebsd. :| |
| 11:06.49 | Dewi | bob2: isn't that "linux-image" now? |
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| 11:07.15 | Dewi | oh, is dorto running sarge? nevermind. |
| 11:07.34 | bob2 | Dewi: heh, my forgetfulness sometimes makes me right ;) |
| 11:07.38 | linuxfan | hi. any Czech users here? i have got one short sentence to translate into Czech. |
| 11:07.40 | bob2 | eXa_bOy: linux has no equivalent |
| 11:07.48 | eXa_bOy | aw what? vserver? |
| 11:07.51 | bob2 | eXa_bOy: linux vserver, xen or user-mode-linux may be suitable |
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| 11:08.09 | liable | Horde: get the sarge net install iso. |
| 11:08.20 | bob2 | eXa_bOy: why? do you know what xen, vserver and uml actually do? |
| 11:08.22 | eXa_bOy | time to abandon debian and goto freebsd |
| 11:08.23 | Dewi | eXa_bOy: with user-mode-linux you can run a whole kernel in userland |
| 11:08.33 | bob2 | eXa_bOy: oh, wait, I remember you |
| 11:08.40 | bob2 | yes, go fanboy freebsd jails |
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| 11:08.50 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 11:08.51 | Yoe | bob2: or there's xen |
| 11:08.54 | eXa_bOy | remember me from what? |
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| 11:09.09 | Dewi | hmm. eXa_bOy has a point. I think I'll go to freebsd now. |
| 11:09.11 | Dewi | it's been fun, guys. |
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| 11:09.24 | eXa_bOy | lol |
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| 11:09.38 | dorto | i got lot of results with apt-cache search; what should i do now? apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ? |
| 11:09.38 | Horde | god this is taking longer to install.... |
| 11:09.55 | eXa_bOy | welcome back |
| 11:10.04 | Dewi | dorto: there's a lot of sub-architectures and versions :P choose carefully |
| 11:10.09 | paulliu | why FreeBSD.. I don't touch kernel.. I don't care kernel... thus Linux is easier... |
| 11:10.09 | Yoe | eXa_bOy: to stay slightly on topic, go to http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu |
| 11:10.22 | dorto | Dewi ok |
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| 11:10.28 | eXa_bOy | thanks Yoe |
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| 11:10.35 | Dewi | dorto: btw that *sounds* right to me |
| 11:10.48 | Horde | wtf its not moving from 2% |
| 11:11.09 | Dewi | dorto: but is there a 686 image? if you have a newer CPU... |
| 11:11.27 | dorto | oh yes :) |
| 11:11.36 | dorto | there is 686 and 686-smp |
| 11:11.41 | dorto | i will go with 686 |
| 11:12.05 | Dewi | dorto: only you can know which CPU you have. 686 should be pretty safe for most non-ancient hardware tho |
| 11:12.23 | dorto | installing this way will keep both old and new copies of kernel or it upgrades the previous kernel? |
| 11:12.38 | paulliu | Is there any benefits to use Debian/kFreeBSD?? |
| 11:12.45 | Dewi | dorto: I believe your old kernel will remain in your grub menu beneath the new one |
| 11:12.58 | dorto | ok, that's great |
| 11:12.58 | Mortalman | paulliu: what? |
| 11:13.06 | Horde | ok there has GOT to be something wrong |
| 11:13.12 | Dewi | dorto: but of course if you install software reliant on the new kernel... it might not work if you step back |
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| 11:13.33 | dorto | right |
| 11:13.33 | cheal | paulliu: helping its development, if you feel like it |
| 11:13.33 | paulliu | Mortalman: sorry, Debian GNU/kFreeBSD... |
| 11:13.48 | Horde | loading module 'yenta socket' for 'Toshiba Info Systems ToPic97' |
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| 11:13.57 | Mortalman | paulliu: What are you asking ? |
| 11:14.14 | Mortalman | paulliu: Are you wanting to use debian with a FreeBSd kernel? |
| 11:14.30 | paulliu | Mortalman: if it is better... |
| 11:14.47 | Mortalman | paulliu: Seriously doubt it would work at all. |
| 11:14.49 | paulliu | Mortalman: But I'm not a kernel hacker.. |
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| 11:15.14 | paulliu | Mortalman: so I don't think I really need to change kernel since everything works well under Linux.. |
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| 11:15.25 | dorto | i have a netgear wg511 card; docs say it should be detected as prism chipset; 'cardctl ident' shows its 'intersil'; should i install the drivers for prism? |
| 11:15.44 | nkuttler | dorto: i told you. yes. |
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| 11:15.50 | dorto | ok |
| 11:16.15 | dorto | thx |
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| 11:16.41 | fbi | Mortalman: i'm running debian on a freebsd kernel, right now. |
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| 11:17.10 | fbi | and i'm sure i'm not the only one in here |
| 11:17.23 | js_ | fbi: how do you do that? |
| 11:17.31 | fbi | kfreebsd |
| 11:17.50 | Horde | anyone: HELP its STILL stuck on 2% |
| 11:18.00 | Anthro | !anyone |
| 11:18.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:18.10 | Mortalman | fbi: And the fact that linux reference hard drives differently doesn't pose a problem? |
| 11:18.17 | Anthro | Whoops. Wrong one. |
| 11:18.21 | Anthro | !ne1 |
| 11:18.21 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
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| 11:18.35 | Anthro | Hrm. I guess it's gone. |
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| 11:18.56 | Horde | ? |
| 11:19.03 | fbi | Mortalman: debian userland, freebsd kernel. i have not encountered any problems with hard disks. |
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| 11:19.15 | Dazgar1 | hi |
| 11:19.21 | Mortalman | fbi: Very weird. |
| 11:19.23 | Anthro | Is there a driver for the bcm4306 802.11b/g chipset? |
| 11:19.40 | Dazgar1 | what the problem with vmware on debian ? |
| 11:19.44 | Yoe | Anthro: I find that the easiest way to find that out is to google for the USB or PCI device id |
| 11:19.49 | Dazgar1 | can't get it working |
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| 11:20.02 | Yoe | Dazgar1: it would help if you'd explain in what way, exactly, it isn't working. |
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| 11:21.01 | Anthro | Yoe: Well, the easiest way is if someone just happens to know and shouts it out here, but I did a little googling previously. I think it's the same chipset as the Airport Extreme, which has been a thorn in the side of iBook/PowerBook owners for quite a while. |
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| 11:21.25 | hutgyrr | this isnt a debian specific question, perhaps someone can point me to the best place to ask though. We have a network and are connected with broadband. However, in the last few days its been verg slow. How can I find out whats slowing it down |
| 11:21.41 | Yoe | Anthro: I've been told you can get those to work with ndiswrapper |
| 11:21.51 | Yoe | Anthro: don't ask me how, though. I dunno. |
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| 11:22.00 | Anthro | Yoe: Good to know. I'll look into it. |
| 11:22.02 | Dazgar1 | Yoe: when launching it, i never get something back |
| 11:22.07 | Horde | hutgyrr: you probably blew your bandwith |
| 11:22.17 | Yoe | Dazgar1: have you tried launching it from a terminal? |
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| 11:22.29 | Dazgar1 | Yoe, and i have to reboot, for the system to become sable |
| 11:22.39 | hutgyrr | Horde: When that happens do they not shut you off completely |
| 11:22.43 | Dazgar1 | Yoe: yes, with and without x |
| 11:22.47 | Dazgar1 | running |
| 11:22.49 | Yoe | when something goes wrong, applications usually give more explanations over there. |
| 11:22.56 | hutgyrr | whats the best way to monitor traffic going in and out |
| 11:23.02 | Yoe | Dazgar1: did you get any error message? if so, which one? |
| 11:23.12 | Yoe | (or which ones, if applicable) |
| 11:23.21 | liable | hutgyrr: iptraf, ntop |
| 11:23.38 | mtnman | hutgyrr: best? dunno. depends on your needs, but iptraf is good. |
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| 11:23.46 | Horde | hutgyrr: nope they just limit your download to about 5kbps. it should get faster at the end of the month or you could try customer suppoort |
| 11:23.46 | Dazgar1 | yoe: AFTER CALLING THE config script, the network command ifconfig get messed up |
| 11:23.48 | hutgyrr | well its goingn through a netgear firewall/router |
| 11:23.49 | kdomb | How can I find out which sound driver I am using? |
| 11:23.51 | Dazgar1 | no error |
| 11:24.55 | liable | hutgyrr: so check the upstream/downstream on the router.. |
| 11:24.56 | Dazgar1 | Yoe: eeven ruunning new app does not work |
| 11:24.56 | hutgyrr | if I want to use that will have have to route all traffic through a linux box |
| 11:24.56 | Yoe | Dazgar1: then I'm afraid I can't help, sorry. |
| 11:24.56 | Dazgar1 | :s |
| 11:24.56 | mtnman | hutgyrr: no |
| 11:24.56 | Dazgar1 | ok, nevertheless thanks |
| 11:24.57 | kdomb | I mean sound daemon |
| 11:24.57 | Horde | oh and btw guys, ITS STILL ON 2%! |
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| 11:25.58 | dorto | how to disable appletalk in my debian? |
| 11:26.13 | dorto | /etc/services contains nothing about appletalk |
| 11:26.31 | chemaja | dorto: i'm guessing `man 5 interfaces' |
| 11:26.31 | xelam | it's called netatalk |
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| 11:27.48 | hutgyrr | well its saying in the router status downstream 3072 kb/s and upstream 256 |
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| 11:28.12 | xelam | hutgyrr: that's unlikley to change... if it were a restriction it would be further upstream |
| 11:28.13 | dorto | appletalk is starting everytime at boot time; i don't use appletalk; how to disable that service? |
| 11:28.27 | xelam | dorto: apt-get remove netatalk ? |
| 11:28.34 | dorto | oh |
| 11:28.39 | xelam | I think |
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| 11:29.43 | dorto | what does iwconfig do> |
| 11:29.45 | dorto | ? |
| 11:30.09 | umbop | sets the wireless interface |
| 11:30.10 | xelam | configures wireless network cards |
| 11:30.44 | Horde | grrr |
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| 11:30.50 | Horde | this is BS |
| 11:30.53 | Horde | its not installing |
| 11:31.12 | mtnman | dorto: you may want to remove whatever module in /etc/modules which is responsible for appletalk. |
| 11:31.19 | hutgyrr | mmm, just did a test and its saying 1.1 megabits which is ok. The speed just seems to be always fluctuating, what could be causing this? I dont think its a problem on our network |
| 11:31.20 | Anthro | Horde: What is your issue? |
| 11:31.31 | Anthro | Horde: I got the 2% part. 2% of what? |
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| 11:32.00 | mtnman | hutgyrr: of course it is fluctuating |
| 11:32.11 | hutgyrr | well, i mean extremely |
| 11:32.21 | Horde | detectin hardware to find cd-rom drives |
| 11:32.27 | mtnman | hutgyrr: depends on what you are pumping through the link |
| 11:32.36 | umbop | or depends on your wireless card as well |
| 11:32.51 | mtnman | horde: discover? |
| 11:33.17 | xelam | mtnman: appletalk doesn't need a module |
| 11:33.23 | hutgyrr | it could be slower than 56k for 5mins and then lightning fast for 10mins. this evens happens when not much b/w is being used |
| 11:33.23 | Horde | discover? |
| 11:33.25 | mtnman | xelam: oh |
| 11:33.27 | Horde | what you mean |
| 11:33.32 | xelam | it's just a software thing like samba |
| 11:33.39 | hutgyrr | you could be sending one small email and it will be very slow |
| 11:33.55 | xelam | have you asked your ISP? |
| 11:34.02 | mtnman | xelam: well, a modules is a "software thing" |
| 11:34.17 | hutgyrr | no, Im going to ring them today |
| 11:34.29 | hutgyrr | what could the problem be though |
| 11:35.02 | hutgyrr | i know im being vague but what possible reasons could be causing this on their end |
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| 11:35.19 | baz | anyone recommend a decent text-based aim/msn/ym client? |
| 11:35.24 | xelam | mtnman: fine, but it doesn't use one |
| 11:35.25 | baz | centericq is broken for aim :( |
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| 11:35.49 | Horde | loading module 'yenta socket' for 'Toshiba Info Systems ToPic97' |
| 11:36.45 | Horde | got any ideas? |
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| 11:37.26 | dorto | need a reboot; brb |
| 11:37.46 | hutgyrr | just tested it again and now im getting 162.4 k/b, no bandwidth being used at the moment |
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| 11:37.59 | petemc | Horde: some cardbus/pcmcia probes cause a machine to hang, you have to specify which ports to probe, google should be able to specify the details |
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| 11:38.49 | Horde | huh? |
| 11:39.06 | Horde | in easier to understand? |
| 11:39.12 | petemc | www.google.com |
| 11:39.38 | Horde | i got THAT much |
| 11:39.44 | Horde | but what am i googling for? |
| 11:40.23 | baz | oh well, maybe it works in bsd these days :( |
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| 11:40.37 | baz | anyone read the uncyclopedia article on debian? |
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| 11:40.47 | baz | it's depressingly accurate in places :( |
| 11:41.02 | Cueball|Work | baz got the URL? |
| 11:41.05 | baz | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 11:41.08 | Cueball|Work | Cheers |
| 11:41.09 | eXa_bOy | what can i use to download a .deb file ? wget? fetch? get? |
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| 11:41.20 | Ronin | eXa_bOy: why not just apt-get install |
| 11:41.21 | baz | "Only "stable" software is included in the Debian core distribution. In Debian project parlance, the term stable means that the software is no longer under active development or widespread use" |
| 11:41.29 | Cueball|Work | wget is my fave eXa_bOy |
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| 11:41.31 | eXa_bOy | with the url? |
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| 11:41.36 | nvz | oh well I come to the realization I can't do any of that running stuff. had to walk it this morning. got about half a block and my legs were giving in. :-/ |
| 11:41.38 | Horde | petemc: so waht am i googling for? |
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| 11:41.43 | jc__ | good morning |
| 11:42.01 | mtnman | xelam: in /lib/modules there is an appletalk directory. i never use appletalk, however... |
| 11:42.03 | nvz | its foggy as hell in the valley, but a good morning none the less |
| 11:42.07 | eXa_bOy | its not a standard package. |
| 11:42.33 | Cueball|Work | aptitude install wget |
| 11:42.33 | jc__ | I have problems with police DROP in my firewall rules with transparent proxy+mac control |
| 11:42.44 | fabsmad | I'd like to install jdk-1.5 on my debian sys. After doing "fakeroot make-jdk namepackage" I get this error: "Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk-doc.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk-doc.sh sun-j2sdk.sh |
| 11:42.44 | fabsmad | No matching plugin was found." |
| 11:42.44 | fabsmad | What does this mean? |
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| 11:42.47 | eXa_bOy | you talking to me? |
| 11:43.04 | vekpos | hello! how can i copy my debian-installation 1:1 to another computer? |
| 11:43.09 | nvz | eXa_bOy: what are you, scarface or something? |
| 11:43.11 | baz | vekpos: dd or cpio |
| 11:43.17 | vekpos | ok, thx |
| 11:43.20 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 11:43.20 | Cueball|Work | eXa_bOy, aptitude install wget |
| 11:43.31 | Cueball|Work | LoL nvz |
| 11:43.32 | eXa_bOy | ive already got it :) |
| 11:43.38 | Cueball|Work | K |
| 11:43.40 | eXa_bOy | just dont know the man back to front :P |
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| 11:44.18 | Horde | petemc: WHAT AM I LOOKING FOR IN GOOGLE? |
| 11:44.34 | mtnman | vekpos: you may find the hard-disk upgrade mini howto useful. |
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| 11:44.49 | petemc | Horde: that isnt going to work, your attitude stinks |
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| 11:45.26 | Horde | nono |
| 11:46.13 | Horde | accidental caps, but i dont understand, could you explaine a little...please |
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| 11:47.02 | cheal | fabsmad: it's make-jpkg |
| 11:47.20 | dorto | do i need kernel >= 2.6 for applying prism54 firmware ? |
| 11:47.21 | petemc | Horde: sometimes the pcmcia startup script can cause a machine to hang, this is generally due to it probing ports it shouldnt be, you can configure it in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts not to probe those ports |
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| 11:47.33 | scanwinder | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.34 | scanwinder | scanwinder (ath0) resetting twice in the last few line of the log, so perhaps it shows the problem somewhere near there |
| 11:47.47 | fabsmad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:48.02 | Horde | so i do that in the boot menue? |
| 11:48.41 | petemc | Horde: you cant, you would need a rescue disk |
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| 11:49.31 | Horde | a rescue disk? what do you mean by rescue disk? |
| 11:49.36 | Horde | like another disk |
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| 11:49.47 | petemc | Horde: or you could boot into single user mode and fix it |
| 11:49.49 | dorto | scanwinder: how did you get wg511 working? i was trying for that |
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| 11:50.59 | scanwinder | dorto: worked straight away.............the prob im having is it wont work when i have my usb card in the other slot.... |
| 11:51.12 | petemc | Horde: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/07/msg00314.html |
| 11:51.14 | dorto | oh |
| 11:51.30 | umbop | least then you can use atheros |
| 11:51.42 | Cueball|Work | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Bermuda.gif <--- LoL |
| 11:52.09 | scanwinder | nvz: you helped me a bit lastnight with my problem with the wireless card when the usb card is in............tried dmesg after trying to connect and it then comes up with the error in it............the log is at http://pastebin.com/380521 .........in the last few lines of it, it shows the wireless card resetting twice due to a "hardware error".............can u please look at it and see if u can work out whats wrong? |
| 11:52.10 | Horde | tahnks |
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| 11:56.19 | bibe | ha, speaking about wireless cards... do I have any chance to make an intel card (ipw2200 driver) work in hostap mode? |
| 11:56.27 | dorto | what does this link contain? http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/ |
| 11:56.56 | nvz | scanwinder: no idea thats just a vague indication that there may have been some sort of hardware error, it however shows no indication that one actually occured or what it is. |
| 11:56.59 | Yoe | dorto: it used to contain testing images that were updated daily |
| 11:57.19 | Yoe | dorto: however, that was stopped some time before sarge was released, so it's not really useful anymore ATM |
| 11:57.30 | bibe | dorto: daily (or nightly, I guess) built iso images of debian-installer and a base system. It's a testing netinst cd |
| 11:57.33 | Yoe | I suspect they'll be put to live again in a while. Not just yet, probably. |
| 11:58.03 | scanwinder | nvz: is it possible whatever controls the pcmcia slots is faulty? |
| 11:58.40 | scanwinder | nvz: because it seems to work fine when its the only card in |
| 11:58.52 | brosio | anyone have try kde3.4 in sid ? |
| 11:59.00 | cheal | brosio: #debian-kde |
| 11:59.28 | cheal | dorto: it contains the daily testing business cards and netinsts |
| 11:59.29 | nvz | scanwinder: its probably most likely that there is a hardware conflict of some kind that is not being properly resolved by the kernel. |
| 11:59.32 | Dewi | is there a command line way to log out of gnome? |
| 11:59.34 | baz | nobody knows any alternative to centericq? |
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| 11:59.41 | Dewi | baz: micq |
| 11:59.52 | baz | Dewi: aha, taking a look |
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| 12:00.00 | Dewi | baz: only does ICQ, not MSN or anything though |
| 12:00.08 | baz | Dewi: ah, not really an alternative then |
| 12:00.12 | Dewi | it might also be a bit old, but back when I used it it was more stable than centericq |
| 12:00.16 | Dewi | it's way less pretty too |
| 12:00.18 | scanwinder | nvz: ok, thanks......so should i update the kernel or something? |
| 12:00.22 | baz | I need msn, aim and yahoo - damn my awkward friends |
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| 12:00.40 | baz | centericq only supports msn and yahoo now |
| 12:00.47 | Dewi | baz: hey, this isn't #openbsd |
| 12:00.47 | dorto | i see |
| 12:00.54 | Dewi | baz: you make me confused :) |
| 12:00.55 | nvz | scanwinder: you should consider reaching a wider audience with your problem as it is an ongoing yet to be solved issue. try forming an email containing all possible information you have including the dmesg. maybe try debian mailing lists, kernel mailing lists, and even see if you can find wireless or pcmcia specific ones. |
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| 12:01.05 | baz | Dewi: :P |
| 12:01.13 | umbop | hmm anyone here recommend a good 17" laptop? |
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| 12:01.33 | Horde | how can i stop it from loading the module yenta_socket at install? |
| 12:01.39 | nvz | scanwinder: trying different kernel source trees never hurts but its kind of like trying to find that proverbial needle in a haystack. Hunting aimlessly for that magic code. |
| 12:01.51 | Yoe | umbop: none. 17" is way too huge to be any useful as a laptop; it'll also bump against *everything*. |
| 12:02.07 | umbop | hmm, well ibooks are 17" |
| 12:02.07 | baz | Dewi: oh well, time to format I guess, sarge was fun while it lasted ;) |
| 12:02.10 | umbop | they're great! |
| 12:02.30 | umbop | but i didn't want an ibook in particular, but wanted a large screen for my laptop i find 15" too small really |
| 12:02.35 | antgel | umbop: get an ibook then |
| 12:02.35 | ircops | umbop: why ask for the recommendation then? |
| 12:02.38 | Yoe | umbop: last I checked, they had 12" ones, too. |
| 12:02.43 | scanwinder | nvz: ok, ill try 2 do some more googleing then try forums+mailing lists then ill try changing my kernel |
| 12:02.49 | scanwinder | nvz: thanks 4 all ur help |
| 12:02.56 | nvz | scanwinder: the main issue is you have been relying on #debian solely for support of the issue. and we are a large group of debian users who may not at large be at all experienced with your very specific linux hardware issue. |
| 12:03.16 | Dewi | does it seem odd to anyone else that an "inherently multi-user" operating system such as debian gives you no reliable way of running GUIs multi-user, ie, over the network? |
| 12:03.24 | scanwinder | nvz: i have tried forums and mailing lists aswell but nobody replied:P |
| 12:03.26 | Dewi | by GUIs I mean a gnome session |
| 12:03.32 | Yoe | umbop: and they don't have 17" ones. They have 17 powerbooks, but no 17" ibooks. |
| 12:03.41 | scanwinder | nvz: now i have a bit more info on the problem tho |
| 12:03.42 | nvz | scanwinder: maybe you didnt provide enough information. |
| 12:03.44 | umbop | oh |
| 12:03.50 | umbop | hmm |
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| 12:04.23 | ircops | http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P15D |
| 12:04.26 | scanwinder | nvz: can you change the kernel with binaries or do they have to be compiled? |
| 12:04.27 | ircops | sweet |
| 12:04.42 | baz | Dewi: xdmcp? |
| 12:04.50 | umbop | that is cool |
| 12:05.01 | Dewi | baz: does that let >1 user log in? |
| 12:05.01 | ircops | small tho |
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| 12:05.04 | nvz | scanwinder: try be specific. start with explaining the problem in your own words, include facts like errors and logs, and also remember to tell important details about your system make/model related hardware info (lspci output or dmesg f.e.) and what OS and kernel you are using |
| 12:05.05 | dorto | regarding info to be given in /etc/network/interfaces about essid, channel, key etc: can i use any default values? i never gave any value when setting up the access point |
| 12:05.14 | baz | Dewi: I thought it did, haven't used it for years though |
| 12:05.21 | baz | Dewi: could be completely wrong |
| 12:05.21 | jason | I am having a problem compiling, can someone help me? |
| 12:05.28 | Dewi | baz: it's pretty inefficient traffic wise from what I hear |
| 12:05.36 | baz | Dewi: oh, granted - it sucks rocks |
| 12:05.39 | nvz | scanwinder: debian offers usually about two different kernels per release. in sarge there is I believe 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 IIRC |
| 12:05.40 | umbop | dorto, iwscan , get the frequency and channel, ands et it there, dont set a key, switch it off |
| 12:05.40 | jason | it says no rule to make target, what does that mean? |
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| 12:06.07 | baz | jason: means you're trying to do something not in the Makefile (or you haven't got a Makefile) |
| 12:06.09 | nvz | scanwinder: other than that you would have to compile for the latest code. which often is the end-all solution to most hardware problems |
| 12:06.21 | Dewi | baz: it just seems bizarre to me. unix-likes are the ultimate remote-network-multiuser system, until you start up gnome or KDE and then you're just... better off in windows. By *such* a long way. |
| 12:06.32 | nvz | scanwinder: and ultimatly likly where you would be led from lkml |
| 12:06.34 | jason | so what do I do, it tells me I have to type make |
| 12:06.47 | jason | but it gives me that error |
| 12:06.52 | baz | Dewi: that's arguable. "better off in windows" doesn't parse here :) |
| 12:07.03 | ircops | haha |
| 12:07.04 | baz | Dewi: I just ssh -X most of the time |
| 12:07.12 | dorto | thx umbop |
| 12:07.15 | baz | Dewi: but then I don't need a gnome-session |
| 12:07.15 | dorto | brb |
| 12:07.17 | Dewi | baz: well for instance, 90% of the time I click "log out" when gnome is attached to a non-xfree server |
| 12:07.25 | Dewi | baz: it'll just freeze. forever. the whole session. |
| 12:07.33 | antgel | baz: can't you just email your friends? |
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| 12:07.38 | Dewi | every process needs to be HUP'd or KILL'd |
| 12:07.47 | baz | antgel: can't debian just fix my bug? |
| 12:07.59 | Dewi | baz: ssh -X doesn't let me start something downloading, disconnect and come back later. |
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| 12:08.05 | baz | Dewi: oh, nice |
| 12:08.05 | jason | it has a make file... what am I doing wrong |
| 12:08.06 | wooden | hi |
| 12:08.13 | EdLin | Dewi: use screen |
| 12:08.15 | wooden | can i create a ufs filesysten under linux?= |
| 12:08.15 | baz | Dewi: granted, but screen & wget are a powerful ally :) |
| 12:08.22 | Dewi | EdLin: I'm talking about X apps |
| 12:08.26 | fusch | hi, selected some packages in aptitude i wanted to install. now i want to deselect them at once and make aptitutde forget my upadte plans. |
| 12:08.31 | EdLin | Dewi: use screen in an xterm |
| 12:08.42 | Dewi | EdLin: screen can't run x apps in an xterm or otherwise |
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| 12:08.53 | baz | haha I think Dewi knows about screen and we've all missed the point somewhat |
| 12:08.53 | sayonara | hi folks |
| 12:08.54 | nvz | heh this stupidity thing is pretty good. I am surprised a professor of economics put this much thought into the laws of stupidity |
| 12:09.08 | baz | nvz: I read that the other day. it underestimates the problem IMHO |
| 12:09.24 | sayonara | does anybody knows a good tool to listen to .ape music files under linux? |
| 12:09.33 | jason | it has the makefile but tells me there are no rules for it.. what are my options from here? |
| 12:09.44 | Dewi | sayonara: sounds like something there would likely be an XMMS plugin for |
| 12:09.46 | EdLin | !wayc jason |
| 12:09.46 | dpkg | jason: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 12:10.04 | jason | it is a driver for my wlan card |
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| 12:10.19 | sayonara | Dewi: ok, i'll search for that |
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| 12:10.27 | scanwinder | when i do apt-cache search kernel, i see kernel-image, kernel-patch and kernel-source..............which 1 is the actual kernel?...like if i want to change my kernel |
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| 12:10.29 | Horde | gee i hope linux is worth it.... |
| 12:10.54 | cahoot | we all do |
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| 12:11.07 | Dewi | sayonara: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mac-port/ |
| 12:11.18 | jason | make: *** No rule to make target `/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build/.config'. Stop. |
| 12:11.23 | jason | that is my output |
| 12:11.29 | Dewi | sayonara: looks promising |
| 12:11.39 | sayonara | Dewi: thank you man, you are my hero :) |
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| 12:11.40 | jason | does that look right? |
| 12:11.42 | fbi | scanwinder: you most likely want kernel-image or linux-image, depending on what kernel version you want |
| 12:11.43 | nvz | baz: I dont know. I am only about half way through, I am on the Frequency Distribution. Already however I know that according to the First Law that this is always the case ;) |
| 12:12.02 | nvz | baz: you should work on your reading comprehension skills |
| 12:12.37 | nvz | baz: the beginning was all about how this will always be underestimated |
| 12:12.43 | scanwinder | fbi: by different kernel version, do u mean like later versions or do they actually do different stuff? |
| 12:13.10 | fbi | scanwinder: newer kernels will obviously support newer hardware |
| 12:13.17 | fbi | why do you think you need a new kernel anyway |
| 12:13.55 | baz | nvz: which is what I said |
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| 12:13.58 | EdLin | !u |
| 12:13.58 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:14.11 | nvz | baz: it goes without saying :) |
| 12:14.21 | baz | nvz: I didn't know you'd read that far :) |
| 12:15.12 | scanwinder | fbi: ive got a weird problem where my wireless pcmcia card will not work when my usb card is also in yet it works fine alone........ if you look in the last few lines of my dmesg log(at http://pastebin.com/380521 ), the wireless card resets due to a "hardware error" |
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| 12:15.53 | fbi | ugh, pcmcia |
| 12:15.59 | fbi | can't help ya there mate |
| 12:16.08 | fbi | i don't mess with pcmcia ever |
| 12:16.26 | scanwinder | fbi: well do you think changing my kernel to the lates version is a good idea? |
| 12:16.52 | fbi | no idea, ask the guys in #kernel mybe |
| 12:17.24 | fbi | the fews times i messed with pcmcia it was a total nightmare |
| 12:17.30 | nvz | I like it.. especially the illistrations. I like learning about fundamentals of people and society. even if its from the point of view of a nutjob. I used to read Freud and enjoyed his point of view even though its commonly understood he's fuckin nuts |
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| 12:18.36 | thor | besser ? |
| 12:18.49 | baz | nvz: Freud had nothing to work with, he had to invent everything. Yes he was nuts but he laid the groundwork for Jung & co |
| 12:19.14 | baz | nvz: and people and society ARE stupid, so this guy's less of a nutjob than Freud was :) |
| 12:19.27 | nvz | baz: yeah I read Jung's work before Freud |
| 12:20.04 | baz | nvz: ah, then Freud would seem wacko then - wrong order :) |
| 12:20.06 | nvz | I need to start reading reguarly again. I should take my ass to the library |
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| 12:20.23 | cahoot | better take the brain there |
| 12:20.28 | nvz | heh |
| 12:20.38 | [setec] | LOL |
| 12:20.40 | nvz | the ass brings the books home for the brain |
| 12:20.50 | cahoot | no comment |
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| 12:21.23 | nvz | according to Rob Reiner in his film "Story Of Us" there is no ass, its just the tops of the legs which just so happen to be butted up against on another, hence the word butt |
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| 12:22.39 | nvz | around these parts we consider our ass to be what controlls our feet and for most of us, our feet are our primary means of transportation. so this is why we talk like that. |
| 12:22.59 | wers | I need help getting a wifi-card with acx111 circuts to work, when i load the module acx_pci, dmesg tells me it cant "upload the firmware to ACXxxx" any idéas? |
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| 12:27.13 | Wille88 | any idea why data moves so slowly when I put something to my nfs-server (~200kB/s), but when I get something from there I get as fast as my network allows. |
| 12:27.17 | nvz | Speaking of that movie I need to hunt down that Melinda bitch, she has my movie :P |
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| 12:28.26 | nvz | would be easier to get a new copy, but she was hot and going to medical school or something Dahntahn.. so it would not hurt to hunt her down and use that as motivation. |
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| 12:30.12 | Capt_Argh | Now I know I might sound stupid for asking this, but I'm just about to strangle someone's cat |
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| 12:30.25 | ircops | sweet |
| 12:30.28 | ircops | videotape it |
| 12:30.35 | ircops | some people get off on that shit |
| 12:30.36 | ircops | heh |
| 12:30.39 | ircops | <--- no |
| 12:30.46 | fbi | liar! |
| 12:30.46 | nvz | she broke the rules of interpersonal relationships though.. she was kind of dating my cousin while he was living in the burg going to school when she borrowed my movies.. being that they broke up and she didnt give them back to me or him.. thats a clear violation of the "break up" protocol for interpersonal relationships :P |
| 12:30.50 | Capt_Argh | Chuckle |
| 12:31.01 | Horde | ugh |
| 12:31.26 | nvz | all my girlfriends would always come trow everything I ever gave them at me when they would have a fit and want to break up |
| 12:31.32 | ircops | fbi: got me... damn |
| 12:31.33 | ircops | :D |
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| 12:31.44 | Capt_Argh | I bought a Bootable DVD of Sarge off Linux Format Magazine, and all I want to do is extract the core debian stuff and make an iso so I can have a bo peep |
| 12:32.00 | nvz | though the throwing part makes you less likely to give them anything but stuffed toys in the future. |
| 12:32.07 | fbi | weeeee |
| 12:32.22 | fbi | Capt_Argh: define 'a bo peep' |
| 12:32.29 | nvz | remember that. stuffed toys are good presents no matter if she likes em or not.. on the brighter side, they wont hurt when she whips it at your head |
| 12:32.43 | Capt_Argh | I want to install it so I can play with it |
| 12:33.14 | fbi | Capt_Argh: so what's keeping you from just sticking the dvd in and installing |
| 12:33.16 | Horde | ok gusy |
| 12:33.20 | Horde | guys* |
| 12:33.25 | Capt_Argh | it's on an old laptop |
| 12:33.30 | Horde | what kernal should i install? |
| 12:33.30 | Shadda` | hey, guys |
| 12:33.30 | fbi | no need to 'extract' anything, just don't install any packages you don't want |
| 12:33.31 | Capt_Argh | no DVD ROM |
| 12:33.36 | fbi | ahh |
| 12:33.39 | nvz | if you got a geek girl, buy her plush microbes. they are definatly teh coolest |
| 12:33.43 | Shadda` | Any of you know how to apt-get apache2 with a preforked mpm? |
| 12:33.57 | fbi | well you obviously have a network, download the sarge business card sized iso |
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| 12:34.18 | Horde | 2.4.27-2-386 or 2.6.8-2-386? |
| 12:34.32 | Shadda` | ah, I see |
| 12:34.35 | Capt_Argh | annd then just do a netinstall |
| 12:34.35 | Shadda` | apache2-mpm-preforked |
| 12:34.36 | nvz | cute and geeky, easy on the return. best of both worlds (/me shuts up) |
| 12:34.40 | fbi | Horde: how can we possibly answer that without knowing your hardware or what you want to do with it? |
| 12:34.41 | Capt_Argh | that's what your saying |
| 12:34.51 | fbi | Capt_Argh:: exactly |
| 12:35.00 | Horde | uhm |
| 12:35.06 | Horde | you could guess :P |
| 12:35.41 | Horde | ok then, whats the difference between the two? |
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| 12:36.37 | Capt_Argh | I can do that no prob, but i would like to actually be able to do this without admitting defeat, for example. This DVD has lots of .jigdo files |
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| 12:36.47 | cheal | Horde: 2.6 has more new hardware supported, 2.4 is more stable |
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| 12:37.16 | Horde | ok |
| 12:37.17 | Capt_Argh | am I just insane, or is jigdo a waste of time?" |
| 12:37.18 | Horde | thx |
| 12:37.44 | baz | Capt_Argh: it's a collossal waste of time if you have a network connection installed in the past decade |
| 12:37.47 | Horde | by new, how new? |
| 12:37.50 | cheal | Capt_Argh: it's not a waste of time. it's a good way to download Debian ifor example if you're in Redmond |
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| 12:38.19 | baz | cheal: redmond? |
| 12:38.30 | cheal | !redmond |
| 12:38.30 | dpkg | !lart Microsoft |
| 12:38.31 | jayeholla | helo |
| 12:38.43 | Capt_Argh | so basically I should go yell at linux format for putting shit that I can't use, jigdo professes not to take the files and make iso's from the merge, but it does exactly that |
| 12:38.59 | jayeholla | hey seems like i don belong here |
| 12:39.03 | baz | cheal: I know what Redmond is, I don't understand why MS would use jigdo to make Debin IOSs |
| 12:39.15 | Dewi | what does the "save session" checkbox on the gnome logout menu mean? |
| 12:39.25 | [setec] | jayeholla : all your base are belong to us |
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| 12:39.33 | cheal | baz: how would you do it? |
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| 12:39.53 | ircops | Dewi: it remembers the programs you were running and the desktops they were on and when you log back in, starts the programs back up on the right desktops |
| 12:39.59 | cheal | Dewi: try to save the state of your desktop % |
| 12:40.01 | baz | cheal: netinst |
| 12:40.03 | silent_scream | where can I find libxslt-proc ??? |
| 12:40.05 | ircops | Dewi: to make a long story short |
| 12:40.19 | Dewi | ircops: does it save anything about the state of the programs? |
| 12:40.20 | cheal | baz: netinst is another thing |
| 12:40.40 | ircops | Dewi: not sure about that one... I believe certain browsers it will start back on the webpage you were at |
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| 12:40.59 | baz | cheal: and the reason MS use jigdo? I think I missed something :) |
| 12:41.31 | cheal | baz: to get Debian ISO-s |
| 12:41.52 | cheal | Capt_Argh: I wonder a bit why linux format puts jigdo files on the DVD :? |
| 12:42.17 | baz | cheal: you can get Debian ISOs much more quickly by just downloading the ISO images and never touching jigdo |
| 12:42.18 | Yoe | does MS use jigdo? |
| 12:42.21 | ircops | "reuhghwh8gro0u" |
| 12:42.22 | Yoe | kewl |
| 12:42.31 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:42.45 | Yoe | baz: no. Much more easily, that's right; but it sure as hell isn't faster. |
| 12:43.11 | Yoe | baz: most CD-image mirrors ratelimit .iso download speed -- and there aren't as many CD-image mirrors as there are "regular" mirrors. |
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| 12:43.53 | baz | Yoe: most != all, and I can spend half an hour with a beer instead of configuring jigdo |
| 12:43.59 | cheal | baz: I guess what you want is to read jigdo's description |
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| 12:44.10 | Yoe | baz: uh, jigdo doesn't need /any/ configuration |
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| 12:44.35 | Yoe | baz: "jigdo-lite http://cdimage.debian.org/jigdo-area/.../foo.jigdo" Just Works(TM), here. |
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| 12:44.46 | baz | cheal: it's years since I used it. You used to have to tell it at least what packages you wanted, iirc |
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| 12:44.53 | Yoe | baz: not even remotely. |
| 12:44.56 | cheal | bah, jigdo isn't entirely straightforward to use |
| 12:45.13 | cheal | baz: hum I don't think so. or maybe years ago |
| 12:45.15 | Yoe | baz: the hardest part about using jigdo is to figure out what the right URL is. Everything else works automagically. |
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| 12:45.28 | baz | anyway, ISO images are pointless, however you get them |
| 12:45.28 | cheal | yeah... |
| 12:45.37 | ircops | hehehe |
| 12:45.41 | Yoe | true :) |
| 12:46.04 | cheal | how do you install windoze? |
| 12:46.05 | ircops | I don't know about that... if you're a gentoo user you have to have ISO install CDs or your life will turn to shit... makes me glad I'm not a gentoo user hehe |
| 12:46.08 | Yoe | except, that is, if the machine you want to install Debian on doesn't have ethernet and. but then... |
| 12:46.15 | Yoe | s/ and// |
| 12:46.20 | baz | cheal: step 1, remove brain |
| 12:46.32 | eXa_bOy | what does kcontrol do? |
| 12:46.32 | baz | Yoe: mine does |
| 12:46.42 | [setec] | step 2: press random buttons and wait |
| 12:46.42 | host` | what's the command to run a security update? |
| 12:46.45 | eXa_bOy | other than slow down my aptget |
| 12:46.47 | Yoe | baz: I have several that don't. |
| 12:46.51 | ircops | eXa_bOy: changes many settings, like a control panel |
| 12:46.54 | baz | Yoe: that's unfortunate |
| 12:46.54 | fbi | eXa_bOy: it's a control panel for KDE. |
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| 12:47.07 | asg | host`: /msg dpkg security |
| 12:47.16 | host` | ty |
| 12:47.20 | eXa_bOy | kde? WTF? i dont even have KDE installed. |
| 12:47.20 | Yoe | baz: but then, most of those precede the invention of Fast Ethernet anyway, so... |
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| 12:47.35 | baz | Yoe: ooh, linux for the vic20 eh :) |
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| 12:47.47 | Yoe | baz: uh, no. That doesn't exist. |
| 12:48.03 | baz | Yoe: sounds about as useful though |
| 12:48.03 | stormshadow | Im having a problem with vsftp |
| 12:48.11 | Yoe | but for hppa or m68k, sure. |
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| 12:48.24 | baz | right, I'm off to purge sarge until bugs actually get looked at |
| 12:48.39 | baz | or ideally fixed ;) |
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| 12:49.46 | baz | ircops: I'll be back in about 4 years when etch gets released, you'll be back never :) |
| 12:49.52 | ircops | hehe |
| 12:49.54 | ircops | :D |
| 12:50.06 | ircops | baz: etch is scheduled for 4 years? |
| 12:50.13 | baz | ircops: educated guess |
| 12:50.16 | Ronin | whats the problem you have with sarge baz? i was off working |
| 12:50.22 | asg | eXa_bOy: it's your server, you should know |
| 12:50.26 | baz | Ronin: centericq is broken, has been since august |
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| 12:50.40 | ircops | baz: wow... I'm using etch now, and on i386 I don't think there's much to iron out... but then again thats only my architecture and I'm not a developer |
| 12:50.44 | baz | Ronin: it's fixed in sid, but relies on a new glibc so can't just backport it |
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| 12:51.00 | Dewi | ircops: etch has lots of current bugs |
| 12:51.02 | baz | sorry, can't just install it - it needs backporting |
| 12:51.07 | eXa_bOy | thats what scares me.. i swear i uninstlled it months ago |
| 12:51.14 | Ronin | thats the only reason your wiping sarge? whynot just use a different icq app? |
| 12:51.31 | ircops | eXa_bOy: it's like AOHell... it keeps coming back to haunt you... "1500 hours FREE!" |
| 12:51.41 | eXa_bOy | ROFL! |
| 12:51.42 | Dewi | baz: compile your own? |
| 12:51.45 | baz | Ronin: that's the only msn/aim/yahoo app for console |
| 12:51.55 | baz | Ronin: and it was the only thing keeping me on debian |
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| 12:52.00 | fbi | eXa_bOy: kcontrol i it's own package, it probably wouldn't have been removed when you removed KDE |
| 12:52.06 | fbi | s/i/is/ |
| 12:52.06 | Ronin | ahh a fairweather users then ;) |
| 12:52.13 | eXa_bOy | thanks for that. |
| 12:52.14 | baz | Ronin: not really, been here since potato |
| 12:52.22 | baz | Ronin: just sick of the glacial rate of work being done |
| 12:52.37 | asg | baz: not it isn't, you can use bitlbee to setup an IRC -> IM gateway and use irssi-text as the client. |
| 12:52.37 | baz | Ronin: final straw, or something |
| 12:52.47 | Dewi | baz: openbsd isn't exactly large like debian |
| 12:52.52 | Ronin | well so am i but as i'm not qualified to help speed it up i live with it :) |
| 12:52.54 | baz | asg: I've used bsd plenty |
| 12:53.01 | baz | sorry, that was meant for Dewi |
| 12:53.05 | Dewi | baz: oh yeah, bitlbee - give that a try |
| 12:53.05 | asg | baz: so have I |
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| 12:53.20 | Dewi | baz: it's strange in that it's an ircd, but I actually ditched centericq for it |
| 12:53.28 | Dewi | not sure if it does yahoo... but have a look |
| 12:53.34 | Dewi | it does MSN and ICQ pretty nicely |
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| 12:54.00 | baz | Dewi: it's a principle thing. even if there's a workaround this time, what happens next time something breaks |
| 12:54.00 | Dewi | baz: I have a feeling it's non-broken on obsd too ;) |
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| 12:54.14 | baz | gaim was broken for months if not years on woody |
| 12:54.24 | baz | nobody fixed it because of policy iirc |
| 12:54.26 | Dewi | baz: openbsd breaks too. 6 months, 3 years, not much difference :P |
| 12:54.53 | baz | Dewi: seems less crammed and more reliable though |
| 12:55.00 | Dewi | baz: if the slow rate of updates to stable annoys you, try testing? |
| 12:55.06 | asg | eXa_bOy: /msg dpkg remove kde (nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure) |
| 12:55.13 | baz | Dewi: and wait for the next libc update to break everything like it did with sarge? |
| 12:55.28 | Dewi | baz: it didn't break that badly |
| 12:55.36 | baz | Dewi: I beg to differ |
| 12:55.50 | baz | Dewi: half the binaries on my system wouldn't run |
| 12:55.55 | Dewi | baz: hey, if openbsd offers enough for you then that makes sense to me. |
| 12:56.01 | antgel | baz: please stop moaning already. if you don't like debian, there's a world of OSs out there |
| 12:56.07 | Dewi | baz: personally I run both; it's the only way to get the best mix of reliability and functionality |
| 12:56.11 | baz | antgel: I'm not moaning, I'm answering questions |
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| 12:56.22 | baz | Dewi: on separate machines, I hope :) |
| 12:56.25 | Dewi | baz: yeah |
| 12:56.32 | Dewi | baz: my power bill is a little excessive |
| 12:56.42 | Dewi | baz: one of these days I'll shift openbsd to some kind of little embedded thingy |
| 12:56.56 | baz | Dewi: it's not so much "OpenBSD will solve all my problems", it's more like Debian no longs seems capable of doing so, so time to see what the other options are |
| 12:57.06 | asg | Dewi: get a Soekris kit, OpenBSD works very nicely with those. |
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| 12:57.12 | Dewi | baz: I don't last 5 mins without windows,debian,openbsd running on 3 machines next to me |
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| 12:57.19 | Loevborg | is there a opengl benchmark for linux better than obnoxious glxgears? |
| 12:57.20 | baz | Dewi: that's just greedy |
| 12:57.40 | Dewi | baz: reality of the current open source universe - nothing does everything, yet |
| 12:57.55 | baz | Dewi: no mac? :) |
| 12:58.02 | Dewi | baz: I should turn one or more of them into a VPN some day too |
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| 12:58.23 | Dewi | baz: mac doesn't do anything you can't get with windows and 1 unix |
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| 12:58.33 | Dewi | hell, windows with cygwin comes close |
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| 12:58.37 | baz | Dewi: none of them run aqua :-) |
| 12:58.52 | fbi | aqua? barbie girl! |
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| 12:58.58 | asg | fbi: eye candy |
| 12:58.59 | fbi | wtf is 'aqua' |
| 12:59.01 | caphuso | baz: mac doesn't do anything you can't get with windows and 1 unix and bit of LSD |
| 12:59.01 | fbi | ah |
| 12:59.03 | iladrin | yo |
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| 12:59.06 | fbi | pointless |
| 12:59.08 | baz | caphuso: nice |
| 12:59.33 | asg | fbi: for me at any rate |
| 12:59.33 | runa_ | hey :) does anyone remembers what's the package in debian testing (amd64) that has problems with firefox? (it won't start) I remember I had this problem, I installed an old version of this lib and it started working again. |
| 12:59.45 | asg | runa_: #debian-amd64 would know |
| 12:59.51 | runa_ | asg: danke! |
| 12:59.55 | Dewi | asg: that's a lie |
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| 13:00.03 | iladrin | my debian just got bug xD keyboard was not anymore listened. |
| 13:00.05 | asg | Dewi: what is? |
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| 13:00.13 | darkness | Can someone just quickly check if port 22 is open on domain metawire.net? |
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| 13:00.17 | Dewi | asg: I just doubt you can be that confident that they know :) |
| 13:00.20 | fbi | iladrin: what is your native language |
| 13:00.37 | iladrin | mine ? lol am French |
| 13:00.38 | asg | Dewi: if anyone does, that are more likely to than #debian. |
| 13:00.43 | fbi | !fr |
| 13:00.44 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 13:01.03 | iladrin | oh, thx ^^ |
| 13:01.04 | eXa_bOy | its not looking good darkness |
| 13:01.11 | sayonara | whats the name of the tool again that tests the speed of apt-servers? |
| 13:01.18 | asg | sayonara: apt-spy |
| 13:01.24 | Loevborg | Ã propos, not a propos |
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| 13:01.50 | asg | or apropos(1) |
| 13:01.50 | sayonara | thank you asg :) |
| 13:02.08 | bcc | hi guys, what should i look for if i want to modify qos of outgoing packets? |
| 13:02.16 | asg | bcc: lartc.org |
| 13:02.31 | bcc | thanks |
| 13:02.41 | darkness | Tks eXa_b0y: How can a fresh install of sarge effect my routers ports? |
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| 13:05.14 | eXa_bOy | asg: thank you for that kde help... what a slippery little sucker it is!!! |
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| 13:06.04 | asg | eXa_bOy: you're welcome |
| 13:06.19 | look | hello, are there any safe ways to write to ntfs from linux now ? |
| 13:06.32 | antgel | look: not really |
| 13:06.50 | Loevborg | look, captiventfs is good, but painfully slow |
| 13:07.10 | antgel | my understanding is that captive ntfs is buggy as fuck |
| 13:07.16 | Loevborg | look, (=unusable for large files) |
| 13:07.18 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 13:07.21 | Loevborg | antgel, really? |
| 13:07.28 | antgel | Loevborg: really |
| 13:08.12 | eXa_bOy | asg : my upgrade has gone from 71MB to 11MB .... whoot! |
| 13:08.36 | look | or is there any way to mount ext3 under windows ? |
| 13:09.04 | antgel | look: yes but not to write |
| 13:09.14 | Loevborg | look, you can access with ext2explorer. |
| 13:09.18 | eXa_bOy | ? samba? |
| 13:09.20 | look | same problem :( |
| 13:09.45 | asg | or do what Dual Booters have done forerver; create a fat32 partition for sharing data. |
| 13:09.50 | Loevborg | look, for a mere data exchance, fat isokay |
| 13:09.53 | look | i just need to share some info like mail/logs/cache between the to os |
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| 13:10.36 | Deek | For exchange, I just use my USB key. |
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| 13:11.07 | Deek | With a cryptoloop fs for my Debian gpg key. :) |
| 13:11.33 | Dewi | can KDE and gnome happily coexist? I have gnome installed, I'd like to try KDE, but how do I avoid gnome-crushing mishaps? |
| 13:11.54 | fbi | Dewi: i have both installed, with about 14 window managers a well |
| 13:11.58 | nkuttler | look: there is a rw driver for ext2/ext3 for windows, google it |
| 13:12.03 | Dewi | for instance what will happen to gdm? |
| 13:12.17 | asg | fbi: never stuck for a choice eh? :) |
| 13:12.19 | Dewi | not that I really need gdm, I generally start X manually |
| 13:12.26 | fbi | Dewi: KDE will appear in your gdm menu |
| 13:12.31 | spoopin | asg: you are teh sux0rz ;) |
| 13:12.32 | nkuttler | look: it crashed a lot last time i checked though |
| 13:12.40 | asg | spoopin: yeah, rough night. |
| 13:12.48 | fbi | asg: i got 300 gigs, need to fill it up with as much b.s. as possible heh |
| 13:12.50 | spoopin | asg: you OK? |
| 13:12.56 | asg | spoopin: yeah, didn't sleep much |
| 13:13.02 | asg | fbi: :) |
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| 13:13.13 | spoopin | asg: quite. seems quiet around here so far... |
| 13:13.20 | hecormar | !hi |
| 13:13.20 | dpkg | hello, hecormar |
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| 13:13.26 | asg | spoopin: yeah, nothing looks broken from my vantage |
| 13:13.37 | asg | spoopin: I talked to Kev last night |
| 13:13.46 | spoopin | asg: cool. You call Ty? |
| 13:13.51 | asg | spoopin: not yet, no |
| 13:13.56 | spoopin | asg: ah. |
| 13:13.58 | neco | asg, KEV? |
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| 13:14.32 | asg | neco: no, Kev |
| 13:14.42 | neco | asg, who? |
| 13:14.44 | spoopin | asg: I think G might steal your mirrored port today.....for bb testing |
| 13:14.52 | asg | spoopin: that's fine |
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| 13:15.02 | asg | neco: nobody you know |
| 13:15.04 | neco | asg, ??? |
| 13:15.11 | spoopin | asg: cool. Later then? |
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| 13:15.14 | asg | spoopin: later |
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| 13:15.39 | kain | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317241 |
| 13:15.42 | kain | damn bug |
| 13:15.53 | TimeRider | I've marked some things in aptitude for install, don't really wanna install em, but every time I run aptitude it's remembering, how I make it forget? |
| 13:15.59 | kain | I cannot remotely log in anymore |
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| 13:17.20 | xoz | TimeRider: use apt-get ... forget about aptitude. |
| 13:17.30 | systems | have anyone checked/read "The Debian System" from no strach press |
| 13:17.34 | asg | kain: not the worse bug to bite sid over the years |
| 13:17.36 | TimeRider | Still wanna tidy up aptitude tho |
| 13:17.44 | antgel | xoz: what sort of an answer is that? |
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| 13:17.46 | asg | systems: I read the sample chapter; quite well done. |
| 13:17.50 | TimeRider | for most things I have used apt-get, just I'm leaving aptitude messy |
| 13:17.51 | hecormar | systems where is that out ? |
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| 13:17.54 | Yoe | xoz: uh, no. aptitude also considers Recommends: apt does not. Therefor, aptitude is far superiour. |
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| 13:18.05 | xoz | Yoe: use feta |
| 13:18.07 | systems | hecormar: what do you mean? |
| 13:18.15 | xoz | feta recommends or suggests |
| 13:18.18 | hecormar | systems is it in a digital format ? |
| 13:18.21 | asg | Yoe: it also installs a bunch of crap that's rarely needed. apt-get is better (with the proviso that you know what you are doing.) |
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| 13:18.29 | systems | hecormar: no |
| 13:18.38 | antgel | TimeRider: in aptitude, hit h. look at the colon key function. |
| 13:18.38 | Yoe | asg: if it does that, then that's a bug in the packaging, not in aptitude |
| 13:18.41 | hecormar | systems is that madduck's book ? |
| 13:18.46 | antgel | asg: only if you tell it to |
| 13:18.54 | asg | Yoe: possibly |
| 13:18.57 | systems | I wanted to ask if it's worth the buck |
| 13:19.10 | asg | antgel: of course |
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| 13:19.14 | antgel | xoz: your blanket statement is full of crap. it's also not a gui |
| 13:19.20 | tiziano | i guys ! |
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| 13:19.28 | hecormar | systems i think i know the writer, is a DD |
| 13:19.28 | xoz | if you'll get used to CLI, you'll be more productive instead of using mouse clickety |
| 13:19.42 | antgel | systems: read a sample chapter online, looked great |
| 13:19.48 | asg | hecormar: he is |
| 13:19.56 | antgel | xoz: please stop before you look even sillier |
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| 13:20.34 | xoz | but still apt-get and dpkg win |
| 13:20.34 | systems | hmmm |
| 13:20.50 | systems | I read the toc, seems more interesting than the newer debian bible |
| 13:20.51 | Deek | Knowing how to use apt-get and dpkg is important. :) |
| 13:21.10 | Deek | But aptitude is pretty cool. |
| 13:21.16 | antgel | xoz: you obviously haven't used aptitude. please stop. |
| 13:21.17 | asg | systems: that was also written by a DD (or DDs) |
| 13:21.26 | systems | but i still wonder if you could still get the same info from the official doc |
| 13:21.32 | Deek | I use the command-line form of aptitude a lot. |
| 13:21.34 | systems | or non official doc |
| 13:21.52 | xoz | antgel: i would rather rely on the real thing than the cool thing. |
| 13:21.53 | antgel | systems: well you could. how do you think the author got the info? |
| 13:22.18 | Deek | (when I install something that I want it to know was intentional) |
| 13:22.37 | groton | how to get rid of this warning? warning: libstdc++.so.5, needed by /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so, may conflict with libstdc++.so.6 |
| 13:22.51 | antgel | xoz: you are great. are you suggesting that aptitude is not real? you seem to have a complex about using the lowest-level tools available |
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| 13:23.01 | Deek | Installing something with "aptitude install" clears the "automatic" flag. |
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| 13:23.16 | antgel | groton: you run stable and don't install broken backports |
| 13:23.29 | antgel | groton: and don't install software outside apt |
| 13:23.40 | groton | antgel, what? could you explain me better? |
| 13:23.46 | systems | antgel: experience, trial and error, heuristics |
| 13:24.00 | xoz | antgel: well, it's a wrapper higher than apt-get. |
| 13:24.23 | antgel | xoz: fuckwit |
| 13:24.26 | antgel | *plonk* |
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| 13:24.53 | antgel | groton: i can't explain it much better |
| 13:24.56 | jethro | !pal antgel |
| 13:25.08 | xoz | what is the problem of this guy. apt-get is apt-get... you don't need aptitude |
| 13:25.19 | didar | hello all, I'm sorry to post an OT query....can I? |
| 13:25.21 | groton | antgel, i havent installed no package outside apt |
| 13:25.24 | antgel | systems: true |
| 13:25.57 | antgel | systems: it really comes down to your own level of expertise, where you want to get to, and whether you are a book-type person |
| 13:25.58 | asg | didar: you can, it doesn't mean we will be able to help or even do so in a friendly way. |
| 13:26.00 | systems | the toc does have few title that dont seem explicitly documented anywhere else |
| 13:26.01 | jethro | xoz: don't waste your time trying to understand why some people think they're superior. they don't deserve it. |
| 13:26.09 | groton | antgel, and i am running testing actually. i wonder if it is possible to get rid of the libstd+ dependancy... |
| 13:26.11 | didar | ;) |
| 13:26.30 | didar | umm this is regarding Horde |
| 13:26.37 | systems | are book-type ppl a bad thing, something i should avoid |
| 13:26.37 | xoz | jethro: i don't how long is this guy hanging around here. |
| 13:26.38 | antgel | groton: there you go. suggest you run stable if you can't fix this stuff |
| 13:26.43 | asg | didar: there is a #horde |
| 13:26.50 | didar | I di go there |
| 13:27.00 | groton | antgel, coo, thanks for the help |
| 13:27.03 | groton | coool |
| 13:27.05 | didar | everyone's on crack...and stoned out! |
| 13:27.15 | didar | heh heh he |
| 13:27.17 | didar | ;) |
| 13:27.37 | jethro | xoz: a few weeks, maybe 2 months.. I don't really care actually. ;) |
| 13:27.49 | antgel | groton: if you want to ditch the libstdc++ dependency, even more reason to run stable |
| 13:27.52 | didar | question about ports that horde connects to? |
| 13:28.01 | xoz | well, it's nice to have argument sometimes. it exercises your neurons. |
| 13:28.05 | didar | ...other than 80/443 143/993 |
| 13:28.35 | asg | didar: run tcpdump, see if it's using ports other than those. |
| 13:28.46 | eXa_bOy | when i apt-get upgrade its telling me that its holding 12 packages back... what can i do? |
| 13:28.47 | xoz | jethro: oh well. have you seen greycat lately? |
| 13:29.10 | didar | ooooh....hmmm yeah I guess |
| 13:29.13 | jethro | xoz: it requires a brain though, which some people here seem to lack. some just seem to be able to *plonk* and insult others, and feel superior.. that's their way of contibuting rto #debian |
| 13:29.16 | antgel | eXa_bOy: dist-upgrade. or run stable |
| 13:29.21 | jethro | xoz: yes, he's online at this moment |
| 13:29.35 | didar | thnks anyway...and you *were* friendly :) |
| 13:29.41 | eXa_bOy | thanks |
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| 13:30.14 | antgel | systems: um, only you know if you should avoid book-type people |
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| 13:31.43 | xoz | jethro: im surprised that i just suggested the simplest solution and he started insulting my neurons... anyway, maybe it is good to let other's fell good at your expense. it's called *understanding* |
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| 13:31.58 | xoz | *feel* |
| 13:31.59 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 13:32.08 | eXa_bOy | nice call |
| 13:32.15 | jethro | xoz: heh |
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| 13:33.04 | systems | well, software is an artificial fabrication, you dont guess what it does, books make sense, problem is such book have almost zero reread value, yet with books that discuss concepts and theory you might learn something new each time |
| 13:33.30 | antgel | systems: in the time you spent thinking about this, you could have read the book |
| 13:33.55 | systems | problem is my resources are limited, i have to think twice about which book to buy |
| 13:34.23 | hecormar | systems what do you want to know is at /usr/share/doc or man |
| 13:34.41 | eXa_bOy | E: Package vserver has no installation candidate <--- am i missing something? |
| 13:34.51 | debugger | what is the doc packahe that contains the man pages for open(2)? |
| 13:34.57 | asg | debugger: manpages-dev |
| 13:35.05 | debugger | asg, thx :) |
| 13:35.09 | antgel | eXa_bOy: why aren't you running stable? |
| 13:35.17 | eXa_bOy | whats stable? |
| 13:35.20 | eXa_bOy | sarge? |
| 13:35.25 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 13:35.28 | xoz | eXa_bOy: yep |
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| 13:35.42 | eXa_bOy | i just did an dist-upgrade :P |
| 13:35.59 | Deek | shit, I run unstable. :) |
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| 13:36.15 | Deek | 'course, I'm expected to. |
| 13:36.19 | xoz | unstable is where the action is. |
| 13:36.30 | Deek | But I would anyway. |
| 13:36.33 | eXa_bOy | so whats my problem then? |
| 13:36.35 | xoz | most of the *plonks* happening |
| 13:36.40 | antgel | i recently upgraded from unstable to stable. i hadn't upgraded the unstable box for a long time. :) |
| 13:37.12 | xoz | eXa_bOy: your sources.list is using unstable? |
| 13:37.24 | asg | eXa_bOy: vserver doesn't exist in sarge (apt-cache search vserver (for the real packages)) |
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| 13:37.50 | eXa_bOy | thank you |
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| 13:38.01 | Deek | I usually don't upgrade until night time, in case somebody humped the bunk and a package had to be pulled immediately. |
| 13:38.41 | hecormar | what is the name for the qt library package to be able to use make xconfig to configure the kernel ? |
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| 13:40.00 | Deek | libqt3-mt-dev ? |
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| 13:40.46 | xzu | i'm trying to debuild apache, but get libtool: link: `strings/*.lo' is not a valid libtool object. Any hints? ( http://pastebin.com/381538 ) |
| 13:40.58 | eXa_bOy | i found the real packages. and its giving me the same error. |
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| 13:42.19 | eXa_bOy | package vserver not available... referred to... package missing, obsoleted, or only available from another source. HOwever the dollowing packages replace it. util-vserver |
| 13:42.22 | xoz | eXa_bOy: try util-vserver |
| 13:42.25 | huston | I need some CUPS help. It shows my printer, and says I have the drivers loaded but it won't print |
| 13:43.10 | Loevborg | huston, have a look at the logs, they help occasionally. |
| 13:43.18 | xoz | eXa_bOy: and vserver-debiantools |
| 13:43.33 | eXa_bOy | im followign a tutorial. its the part where it creates the virtual server using : apt-get install -t testing vserver |
| 13:43.39 | eXa_bOy | http://lena.franken.de/linux/debian_and_vserver/vserver.html |
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| 13:44.01 | Blissex | eXa_bOy: there is also #vserver, but perhaps I saw you there already? |
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| 13:44.13 | xoz | eXa_bOy: are you using testing? |
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| 13:44.41 | fken | hello i cannot open gnumeric, openoffice is impossible to install and kspread crash when i try to open a xls file but i need to open a file how can i do ? |
| 13:44.42 | eXa_bOy | yes im using that exact line |
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| 13:45.22 | Raven007 | hello |
| 13:45.24 | xoz | eXa_bOy: vserver is replaced by util-vserver in unstable. maybe, also in testing. |
| 13:45.42 | fken | hello |
| 13:45.49 | xzu | hhmmm, it works now, forget it :\ |
| 13:45.50 | asg | xoz: and in sarge |
| 13:45.54 | lunaphyte_ | how can i get my number pad to not spit out garbage in nano? |
| 13:46.28 | Deek | hit numlock? |
| 13:46.31 | asg | lunaphyte_: use whatever key (NUMLOCK most likely) to turn it on otherwise it will generate movement control codes |
| 13:46.57 | eXa_bOy | so i try : apt-get install -t testing util-vserver and it says its already the newest version. that cant be right? |
| 13:47.08 | eXa_bOy | #vserver is unavailable |
| 13:47.23 | xoz | eXa_bOy: check dpkg -L util-vserver |
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| 13:47.30 | huston | okay what logs do I need to look at...I have never had problems with debian before and never needed logs |
| 13:47.44 | asg | eXa_bOy: it's on oftc.net according to the topic |
| 13:47.50 | lunaphyte_ | asg: i'm using a mac, which has no numlock key. |
| 13:48.03 | asg | lunaphyte_: maybe #debianppc knows then |
| 13:48.09 | eXa_bOy | ta |
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| 13:48.24 | eXa_bOy | xoz : what am i looking for in that -L? |
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| 13:48.44 | xoz | eXa_bOy: the locations of files. |
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| 13:48.58 | lunaphyte_ | asg: hm.. maybe - i'm just shelled in from the mac though - the server is on x86 |
| 13:49.06 | clusty | how can i compare 2 binary files? |
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| 13:49.15 | fsancho | hi all |
| 13:49.19 | RickTux | hi |
| 13:49.25 | Raven007 | apt-show-versions rulez over dpkg -L ;) |
| 13:49.29 | antgel | clusty: man cmp |
| 13:49.30 | fsancho | i have a problem with flashpugin, i can't see any fonts in flash applets |
| 13:49.31 | Raven007 | clusty: diff ? |
| 13:49.40 | clusty | thanx |
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| 13:49.53 | fsancho | do i have to install any special fonts package? |
| 13:50.03 | eXa_bOy | whoops |
| 13:50.24 | asg | lunaphyte_: yeah the client is likely still passing the wrong codes though. |
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| 13:50.30 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 13:50.35 | asg | abrotman: morning |
| 13:50.36 | eXa_bOy | xoz : am i looking for something particular in that -L? |
| 13:51.20 | xoz | eXa_bOy: you can check the file locations of the installed files in util-vserver... and maybe read the doc in /usr/share/doc/util-vserver |
| 13:51.29 | eXa_bOy | thansk |
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| 13:52.27 | huston | where do I find log files for cups or the printer? |
| 13:52.29 | fsancho | i have an answer from debian-es, i have installed gsfonts-x11 and it worked |
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| 13:52.37 | adamek | slackware |
| 13:52.38 | asg | huston: /var/log/cups/ |
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| 13:52.53 | huston | thanks |
| 13:52.53 | adamek | sorry |
| 13:52.55 | asg | adamek: fnord |
| 13:53.29 | adamek | Hi- I want that each client in 10.0.0.0/24 has got 50 KB in and out, is this good script in cbq: DEVICE=eth1,100Mbit,10Mbit RATE=400Kbit WEIGHT=40Kbit PRIO=5 RULE=10.0.0.0/2 |
| 13:53.31 | adamek | 24 |
| 13:53.45 | adamek | internet is eth0, local network is eth1 |
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| 13:54.29 | lunaphyte_ | asg: no question there. calling nano with -K seems to fix it for me. |
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| 13:54.45 | asg | lunaphyte_: ah, okay |
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| 13:55.42 | Cueball|Work | How can I reset the err/drop on a network interface? |
| 13:55.50 | huston | I see a lot of stopped with status 1 in my error logs |
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| 13:57.32 | quatell | how can i figure which crontab is used. i mean there is a gobal file in /etc/crontab but that doesn't work. i could use crontab -e for each user, right? but to what file does that write and how could i generally see which crontab is used? |
| 13:57.35 | asg | Cueball|Work: drop the interface and bring it back up |
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| 13:57.59 | adamek | I want that each client in 10.0.0.0/24 has got 50 KB in and out, is this good script in cbq: DEVICE=eth1,100Mbit,10Mbit RATE=400Kbit WEIGHT=40Kbit PRIO=5 RULE=10.0.0.0/24 - internet is eth0, local network is eth1 |
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| 13:58.02 | asg | quatell: user crontabs are in /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 13:58.14 | M23 | anyone know of a backup program that will read iomega 1-step backup files? |
| 13:58.14 | beardy | quatell: All crontabs are used. |
| 13:58.16 | Cueball|Work | asg I tried that using ifdown and ifup but it did not do the job |
| 13:58.32 | xelam | quatell: user crontabs are in /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 13:58.35 | xelam | at least on this box |
| 13:59.01 | quatell | beardy: so the ones in /var/spool and the global one in /etc ? |
| 13:59.15 | quatell | asg, xelam thanks |
| 13:59.21 | asg | Cueball|Work: odd. I don't know then; sorry. |
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| 13:59.33 | asg | quatell: and the per-package ones in /etc/cron.d |
| 13:59.34 | beardy | quatell: Yes. Cron checks them all, every minute. |
| 13:59.49 | scanwinder | how do i activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option? |
| 14:00.05 | antgel | scanwinder: why do you want to do this? have you even thought about it? |
| 14:00.05 | asg | scanwinder: /msg dpkg loopbreak |
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| 14:00.08 | Cueball|Work | Ok cheers asg |
| 14:00.21 | beardy | quatell: But he probably has them cached in ram. |
| 14:00.45 | scanwinder | thanks |
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| 14:08.28 | Schnitz | hi all |
| 14:08.35 | mess-mate | hi folks |
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| 14:08.48 | Schnitz | anyone here using etch and gnome and has done an apt-get upgrade / dist-upgrade ? |
| 14:08.50 | dorto | any idea roughly how much download(in MB) is required for 2.6 kernel upgrade? |
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| 14:09.08 | Deek | 30 megs? |
| 14:09.09 | Schnitz | because since that my gnome window list and workspace switcher always quit unexpectedly when starting gnome |
| 14:09.30 | dorto | that's all? then i can try even with my slow connection :) |
| 14:09.31 | Deek | That's just for the kernel, though. |
| 14:09.31 | asg | dorto: apt-cache show <pkg>. It will tell you the size |
| 14:09.37 | dorto | oh great |
| 14:09.37 | mess-mate | is there also a debian-devel channel ? |
| 14:09.54 | Deek | You also need module-init-tools at least. |
| 14:10.00 | mess-mate | or can i ask it here ? |
| 14:10.07 | groton | antgel, i resolved my problem with stdc++, i was stil using xmesg-glu-dev indeed |
| 14:10.09 | asg | dorto: or /msg dpkg <pkg> info <debian version> |
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| 14:10.35 | mess-mate | anyone compilde ever gcc ? |
| 14:10.37 | dorto | do i need to download module-init-tools too? |
| 14:10.39 | Schnitz | anyone knows how to debug that gnome window list / workspace switcher error? maybe you can tell me *g* |
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| 14:11.03 | asg | !tell KrLoS about away |
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| 14:11.10 | MaRcIo | hi |
| 14:11.17 | MaRcIo | has anybody got the psp? |
| 14:11.21 | KrLoS | hi asg |
| 14:11.25 | KrLoS | agabus, tell me |
| 14:12.10 | MaRcIo | nobody has got it? |
| 14:12.22 | mess-mate | what's psp ? |
| 14:12.23 | asg | MaRcIo: and it has what to do with #debian? |
| 14:12.25 | KrLoS | sorry people |
| 14:12.31 | dorto | apt-cache search kernel 2.6 showed a list earlier iirc, but it shows nothing now |
| 14:12.37 | KrLoS | i forgat these back message |
| 14:12.38 | Blissex | MaRcIo: nobody in the whole world, the alien stole all of them |
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| 14:13.04 | Blissex | Well, the PSP could run Debian pretty well -- isn't there Debian for Xbox for one thing? |
| 14:13.25 | mtnman | !poll |
| 14:13.25 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 14:13.37 | asg | Blissex: the question was whether anyone had one, not whether anyone was running Debian on one. |
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| 14:13.44 | dorto | how to find all the kernel versions available at mirrors in apt source list? |
| 14:13.58 | asg | dorto: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install from the list provided.) |
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| 14:14.06 | mtnman | dorto: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 14:14.07 | Blissex | asg: yes, I was trying to relate that to the channel. As in ObTopic: |
| 14:14.08 | dorto | k |
| 14:14.27 | MaRcIo | can i run debian on my printer? |
| 14:14.39 | X2 | lool |
| 14:14.43 | X2 | hi, guys |
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| 14:15.12 | Starf^Work | how do i increase the rights of a individual user |
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| 14:15.26 | asg | Starf^Work: can you be more specific |
| 14:15.27 | mtnman | starf^work: man chmod |
| 14:15.40 | Starf^Work | chmod works on users too? |
| 14:15.46 | mtnman | starf^work: sorry, no... |
| 14:15.46 | X2 | see chgrp too |
| 14:15.56 | Starf^Work | k |
| 14:16.19 | mtnman | starf^work: changing groups (actually adding your user to one) is one way. |
| 14:16.26 | X2 | ACL is the complex things.. but you may not neet it |
| 14:16.40 | huston | okay I switched the cups to debug |
| 14:16.51 | X2 | guys, how do i make (in X, KDE 3.3) my double click mouse to select & copy too like in the console with gpm ? |
| 14:16.57 | Starf^Work | installed debian and i have a folder i need to dump in /var/www and it wont let me |
| 14:17.10 | Starf^Work | logged as hte standard user |
| 14:17.19 | huston | and it tells me the render quit |
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| 14:17.30 | dorto | you need root privileges i guess |
| 14:17.32 | huston | renderer quit |
| 14:17.46 | mtnman | starf^work: add your user to www-data group |
| 14:17.48 | mtnman | dorto: no |
| 14:17.50 | cleit0n | hi, how do i mount one DVD image, i do this mount -o loop -t iso9660 -r k3b_image.img /mnt/dvd and nothing |
| 14:18.26 | Starf^Work | they can be in multiple groups? |
| 14:18.26 | quatell | asg: could i tell cron to use other crontabs as well ? like some in /home or anywhere? this is because i would like to generate crontabs from a website and let them be processed. letting apache write to /etc or /var is maybe not a good idea ... |
| 14:18.27 | Starf^Work | ok |
| 14:18.28 | dorto | is apt-get install kernel-image-xxxx all i have to do to install the new kernel? do i need to do anything more after that? (more d/l, configs etc?) |
| 14:18.30 | Starf^Work | where? |
| 14:18.52 | mtnman | dorto: depends on the old and new kernel versions |
| 14:19.10 | umbop | hmm how can i check for disk errors on an array? |
| 14:19.31 | mtnman | starf^work: full sentence please |
| 14:19.36 | dorto | my old version: 2.4.27-2-386 new i want: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 14:19.39 | X2 | Starf^Work : groupadd, usermod... |
| 14:19.48 | dorto | any help? |
| 14:20.07 | Loevborg | cleit0n, try "udf" instead of "iso9660" |
| 14:20.11 | abrotman | dorto: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 14:20.16 | mtnman | dorto: you may want to read the README files associated with the new kernel. |
| 14:20.29 | dorto | that would install, change boot loader config and all? |
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| 14:20.33 | MaRcIo | how geek are u from 9 to 10? |
| 14:20.39 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:20.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:20.41 | Starf^Work | mtnman, where do i edit the users groups? |
| 14:20.52 | MaRcIo | how geek are you from 9 to 10? |
| 14:21.03 | mtnman | starf^work: you can do it with adduser. |
| 14:21.07 | dorto | !i |
| 14:21.08 | dpkg | well, i is the imaginary unit, the square root of -1 and other nifty things, or the chemical symbol to iodine and a personal pronoun together with me, my and myself, or roman numeral for 1, or the letter between h and j, or commonly used as an iteration counter, or rapidly becomming the most tacked-on factoid. used as a block index in much of the rsync code |
| 14:21.13 | abrotman | MaRcIo: it's not debian related .. |
| 14:21.27 | cleit0n | Loevborg: nothing mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop1, |
| 14:21.31 | cleit0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.31 | dorto | 9.000001 |
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| 14:21.36 | huston | ESP Ghostscript 7.07.1 returned an unrecoverable error exit code 1 |
| 14:21.41 | fbi | dorto: install new kernel and it will be added to grub, then you reboot. i don't know why mtnman is making it sound so complicated. |
| 14:21.46 | abrotman | dorto: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 14:21.56 | dorto | ok, thx :) |
| 14:21.57 | Loevborg | cleit0n, maybe the image file is b0rked |
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| 14:22.03 | abrotman | pseubodot: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:22.05 | mtnman | fbi: sometimes modules, etc are different in a new kernel |
| 14:22.23 | pseubodot | void boing() |
| 14:22.25 | abrotman | pseubodot: HORSY!!! |
| 14:22.31 | MaRcIo | is there an off topic chan here? |
| 14:22.32 | cleit0n | Loevborg: maybe not.. i create noe i nothing error |
| 14:22.33 | huston | and then it gives an unrecognized error code 127 and then says it is an illegal seek |
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| 14:22.38 | abrotman | MaRcIo: #hottub ? |
| 14:22.43 | pseubodot | abrotman: now, now. :) |
| 14:22.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:22.49 | fbi | mtnman: that has _nothing_ to do with what he asked. he asked how to install the new kernel. |
| 14:23.01 | Loevborg | cleit0n, ?! |
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| 14:23.38 | mtnman | fbi: yes, he could install the new kernel with a simple apt-get install. however, sometimes things change from one major kernel version to the next. |
| 14:23.59 | mtnman | fbi: e.g. he could end up w/o networking after going from one major version to the next. |
| 14:24.03 | fbi | heh, whatever. he asked a simple question and you fed him a bunch of crap. |
| 14:24.10 | dorto | and if the new kernel breaks the system i can revert back to the old kernel? |
| 14:24.14 | quatell | sorry for repasting but i did not want to ask only asg: could i tell cron to use other crontabs as well ? like some in /home or anywhere? this is because i would like to generate crontabs from a website and let them be processed. letting apache write to /etc or /var is maybe not a good idea ... |
| 14:24.14 | asg | abrotman: does pseubodot have a chef(6) filter? |
| 14:24.15 | mtnman | fbi: no, i certainly did not. |
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| 14:24.16 | abrotman | mtnman: i think you're overcomplicating it .. let dorto just install it and then ask us if there are additional problems .. |
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| 14:24.28 | abrotman | asg: he's canadian .. not swedish |
| 14:24.29 | fbi | dort: you will still have the option to boot your other kernel. |
| 14:24.32 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 14:24.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iapf is It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
| 14:24.36 | fbi | s/dort/dorto/ |
| 14:24.37 | dorto | great :) |
| 14:24.39 | abrotman | which is still down :( |
| 14:24.40 | mtnman | abrotman: i guess i am somewhat proactive. |
| 14:24.43 | asg | abrotman: could be an expat, you never know (unless you do of course) |
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| 14:25.12 | abrotman | mtnman: yeah ... i know .. but somehow .. i doubt even if you explained all the pitfalls that it would even make a dent :) |
| 14:25.21 | abrotman | asg: no . he's from canada! :) |
| 14:25.29 | asg | haha |
| 14:25.35 | Starf^Work | mtnman, still wont let me copy, i assumign i dont have to log out and back in again |
| 14:25.47 | mtnman | abrotman: i said what i said, and it was not incorrect. |
| 14:25.59 | dorto | i got debian gnu/linux bible. any other debian specific books in the market? |
| 14:26.16 | asg | dorto: Martin Krafft's book from No Starch |
| 14:26.16 | mtnman | starf^work: you do. i guess you didn't read the manpage very carefully :D |
| 14:26.20 | abrotman | mtnman: i konw you weren't incorrect .. just that i don't think explaining all the possible issues will make any difference in what is about to happen :) |
| 14:26.33 | asg | dorto: there's also a very old O'Reilly book you can read for free at www.oreilly.com/openbook |
| 14:26.35 | abrotman | dorto: ask amazon .. there are two or thrree recent ones |
| 14:26.42 | mtnman | abrotman: i only explained that there could be some pitfalls. |
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| 14:26.54 | dorto | yes, i searched at amazon |
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| 14:27.06 | Starf^Work | mtnman, i didnt see anything in the man about having to log out and back in, and to be honest its not very linux spirited hvaing to log out |
| 14:27.06 | abrotman | mtnman: i know .. and like i said . you could tell him it would possibly kill his mother .. and i'm not sure it would make any difference :) |
| 14:27.06 | Starf^Work | :) |
| 14:27.08 | mtnman | abrotman: i think it is time to move onb. |
| 14:27.10 | mtnman | on |
| 14:27.16 | Starf^Work | k |
| 14:27.28 | asg | dorto: however, any good book on unix/linux never hurt (Unix or Linux Administration Handbook, Essential System Administration, etc.) |
| 14:27.30 | abrotman | mtnman: no way .. let's flog it! |
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| 14:27.44 | mtnman | starf^work: it is very unixish to have to log out/in to make changes to the shell environment. |
| 14:27.48 | dorto | yes, i have lots of other unix/gnu/linux books |
| 14:27.49 | possie | i would like to monitor the usage of all my applications running on my linux machines, is there a application that can monitor all my processes, e.g. so i can see that mysqld uses X megabytes of ram, postfix X etc |
| 14:27.52 | abrotman | have they updated ESA .. in the last .. 8 years or so ? |
| 14:27.55 | secher | anyone mind if I ask a quick printer hardware question? |
| 14:28.00 | asg | mtnman: he could always use newgrp |
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| 14:28.08 | Starf^Work | ok |
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| 14:28.11 | mtnman | asg: then tell *him* |
| 14:28.11 | dorto | but i never knew sth like apt exists before reading this debian book :) |
| 14:28.13 | Starf^Work | was in the gui env |
| 14:28.17 | Starf^Work | but yeah |
| 14:28.17 | Starf^Work | k |
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| 14:28.35 | asg | mtnman: better not to bombard him with too much info |
| 14:28.41 | takatumi | dorto: read debian-reference? |
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| 14:28.49 | dorto | nope; where is it? |
| 14:28.57 | dorto | with my installation? |
| 14:29.01 | asg | dorto: apt-cache search debian reference |
| 14:29.05 | mtnman | asg: better not to bombard me either :) |
| 14:29.09 | dorto | oh |
| 14:29.13 | asg | mtnman: bah :) |
| 14:29.19 | MegaManX | Hi there. Is there anyone here who got Apache, mysql and php working with Debian sarge? I can't get mysql to run :( |
| 14:29.23 | Blaaman1 | I am new to debian and looking for some good multimedia repositories, espcially mplayer. I found this http://debian.video.free.fr/ (Christian Marillat), does anybody know if it is a good repository ? |
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| 14:29.29 | dorto | my kernel is getting d/l-ed; will start the reference after that :) |
| 14:29.31 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 14:29.31 | dpkg | hmm... refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
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| 14:29.50 | mtnman | !tell blaaman1 about mplayer |
| 14:29.51 | asg | MegaManX: did you install php4-mysql? and libapache-mod-php4? |
| 14:29.52 | takatumi | Blaaman1: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 14:29.52 | thingfish | Blaaman1: marillat is commonly used and recommended here. |
| 14:30.06 | thingfish | or at least referred to. |
| 14:30.10 | Blaaman1 | Thanks! |
| 14:30.36 | mtnman | blaaman1: i prefer to build mplayer from source, but that is just me. |
| 14:30.53 | secher | Kk, no objections, so I'll ask. I picked up this old HP laser printer, and while it prints, the paper comes out covered to varying degrees with black streaks. Is that the drum, or is there some other problem, and how do I fix it? Can I just clean everything with denatured alcohol, or do I need to get replacement parts, in which case it may not be worth it. |
| 14:30.56 | Loevborg | Blaaman1, technically it's good |
| 14:31.04 | MegaManX | asg: thanks. Yup. I was actually following a Ubuntu tutorial and I figured it should work with Debian. The tutorial was this one: |
| 14:31.04 | MegaManX | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17876 |
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| 14:31.35 | Starf^Work | mtnman, rebooted and it still wont let me drag a folder from desktop to /var/www |
| 14:31.39 | pit_ | hello! |
| 14:31.41 | MegaManX | The error I get is actually when trying to start mysqld. I get this: sigma:~# mysql |
| 14:31.41 | MegaManX | ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111) |
| 14:31.52 | mtnman | starf^work: what user are you logged in as? |
| 14:32.22 | Starf^Work | hmmmmm |
| 14:32.34 | Starf^Work | for some reason the user:group for www is root and not www-data |
| 14:32.46 | mtnman | starf^work: chown it. |
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| 14:32.58 | Starf^Work | the whole var dir? |
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| 14:33.04 | Blaaman1 | What does see mplayer saga means ? I got it from dpkg |
| 14:33.05 | mtnman | no, /var/www |
| 14:33.06 | asg | Starf^Work: no |
| 14:33.10 | Starf^Work | k |
| 14:33.27 | mtnman | chown www-data.www-data /var/www |
| 14:33.45 | asg | MegaManX: how are you starting mysqld? |
| 14:33.56 | mtnman | blaaman1: /msg dpkg mplayer saga, i would imagine |
| 14:34.05 | MegaManX | I'm trying mysqld_safe & |
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| 14:34.11 | asg | MegaManX: try /etc/init.d/mysql start |
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| 14:34.52 | MegaManX | asg: I got this: sigma:~# /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 14:34.52 | MegaManX | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 14:34.52 | MegaManX | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.52 | MegaManX | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 14:34.52 | MegaManX | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)' |
| 14:34.52 | MegaManX | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
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| 14:34.54 | Starf^Work | i am gonna reinstall this box |
| 14:34.56 | Blaaman1 | mtnman: I tried but no reply |
| 14:35.00 | Starf^Work | too manay things going wrong |
| 14:35.01 | thirst | hey.. halt/shutdown are part of which package.. where can i get the src of that |
| 14:35.03 | asg | gah! |
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| 14:35.15 | pit_ | How can I define on wich of my 2 graphic-cards(1xagp+1xpci) the consoles 1-6 are displayed? |
| 14:35.34 | mtnman | blaaman1: i guess it was referring to the problems between the mplayer developers and the debian developers. |
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| 14:36.18 | asg | Starf^Work: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:36.26 | Blaaman1 | mtnnman: Maybe, but there should be nor problems between debian and mplayer |
| 14:36.33 | Starf^Work | too late its flat |
| 14:36.50 | takatumi | !mplayer legal saga |
| 14:36.50 | dpkg | Mplayer is currently not in Debian because the legal saga surrounding its codebase has not been concluded. Unfortunatly, upstream has not done due diligence with the licensing of their codebase, creating a need for ftpmaster or a representative to audit the codebase before inclusion in Debian. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/thread/20030125.063402.a3a08167.en.html and http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/2 |
| 14:36.52 | abrotman | Blaaman1: there are numerous .. not the least of which is the questionable legality of the w32codecs |
| 14:37.02 | mtnman | blaaman1: it is easy to say how things *should* be. however, reality sometimes has a different opinion. |
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| 14:37.22 | abrotman | i doubt mplayer will ever be in debian .. |
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| 14:37.32 | abrotman | long live gstreamer |
| 14:37.33 | abrotman | or something |
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| 14:37.39 | asg | MegaManX: Make sure you *stop* the previous version your ran with 'mysqld_safe &' |
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| 14:38.19 | MegaManX | asg: thanks. I will try :). Sorry, I've got kicked for "flooding", LOL |
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| 14:38.33 | caphuso | abrotman: the questionable legality of the w32codecs prevent the w32codecs from getting into debian. no reason why it should keep mplayer out |
| 14:38.36 | asg | MegaManX: flood here is >3 lines (use our paster in the future (/msg dpkg paster)) |
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| 14:38.51 | MegaManX | I see. thanks ;) |
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| 14:39.02 | clusty | which package contains the mapages to C keywords (such as malloc)? |
| 14:39.09 | asg | clusty: manpages-dev |
| 14:39.29 | takatumi | abrotman: doesn't gstreamer need w32codecs? |
| 14:39.29 | asg | clusty: also, glibc-doc |
| 14:39.31 | clusty | asg:thanx |
| 14:40.08 | da_bon_bon | hey.. if i have enable non-us repos now, should i remove them ? |
| 14:40.12 | dorto | how to install man pages for c++ in debian? |
| 14:40.24 | asg | da_bon_bon: yes unless you are still using woody or earlier |
| 14:40.24 | azeem | dorto: what kind of c++? |
| 14:40.26 | dorto | is there such a .deb package? |
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| 14:40.48 | dorto | standard library: algorithms, containers etc |
| 14:40.53 | da_bon_bon | asg: etch here |
| 14:41.01 | asg | da_bon_bon: then you don't need them |
| 14:41.08 | Blaaman1 | I mean that as long as companies want the public to use their codecs we should crack them, but also include them in the software we ship. Only facist countries make that illegal. |
| 14:41.09 | mtnman | da_bon_bon: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:41.21 | azeem | dorto: libstdc++6-doc perhaps |
| 14:41.23 | da_bon_bon | ok |
| 14:41.28 | dorto | ok |
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| 14:42.19 | mtnman | blaaman1: there you go again, saying how things *should* be :) |
| 14:42.32 | pit_ | is there a kernel option to define on which graphics-card the consoles1-6 are started? |
| 14:42.36 | azeem | dorto: or perhaps rather libstdc++6-4.0-doc |
| 14:42.56 | Ats | Hello! I have a problem with Canon EOS 350D. I am using Debian unstable, kernel 2.6.12.3, I have ehci, ohci, uhci & generic scsi compiled in and udevd running + some packages like gphoto, gtkam etc. I connect the camera to usb port, lsusb shows the device but there is no device /dev/sdXY. All the tutorials on the web seem to assume that if lsusb or /proc/bus/usb/devices or gphoto see the camera there is automatically a sdXX device that one can |
| 14:42.57 | Ats | mount and therefore access the pictures on the camera. Does anyone know what could be the problem? |
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| 14:43.54 | da_bon_bon | can someone point me to a guide on building debian packages ? |
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| 14:44.00 | Yoe | Ats: you sure you're using 2.6.12.3, and not 2.6.13.2? |
| 14:44.01 | asg | da_bon_bon: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 14:44.26 | Ats | 2.6.12.3 |
| 14:44.32 | mtnman | ats: /dev/sdx is usually a scsi device. on my systems, the webcam came up as /dev/video, iirc. |
| 14:44.42 | da_bon_bon | asg: i jsut wan to build one package .. mplayer .. not a full fledged maintainer guid |
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| 14:45.05 | asg | da_bon_bon: the mplayer source is already debianized iirc. Just run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in the source tree. |
| 14:45.09 | mtnman | ats: or /dev/video0 |
| 14:45.21 | Yoe | Ats: you're also aware that there's 2.6.12.6 in the mean time, which contains many bugfixes? |
| 14:45.24 | plbgnr | can anybody help with module mod_auth_ldap (Apache)? I want run this module in Apache from package is it possible? or must I install new one from sources? |
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| 14:45.36 | Yoe | (and 2.6.13.2, but that might not be what you're looking for) |
| 14:45.40 | dorto | azeem: i found the first one: 4.3MB; the second is not found |
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| 14:45.44 | thirst | can anyone tells me which .deb package is halt binary a part of |
| 14:45.49 | mtnman | da_bon_bon: if you download the mplayer tarball, there are simple instructions for building a .deb. you will need a dev envrionment. |
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| 14:46.01 | azeem | dorto: oh, then you are running stable, probably |
| 14:46.02 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! |
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| 14:46.10 | dorto | yes |
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| 14:46.11 | naraki | afternoon |
| 14:46.14 | asg | plbgnr: install libapache-mod-ldap |
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| 14:46.18 | dorto | its a server |
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| 14:46.28 | mtnman | da_bon_bon: look in the debian directory of the tarball |
| 14:46.30 | Starf^Work | is demon a full debian mirror and how uptodate si it? |
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| 14:46.38 | Ats | I am aware that there are newer kernels available, but I doubt that this is the problem. |
| 14:46.40 | samuel | whats the name of that partitioning command plz? i forgot... |
| 14:46.40 | dorto | on my personal machine i am not able to decide whether to go with debian or gentoo |
| 14:46.48 | asg | samuel: fdisk, cfdisk |
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| 14:46.52 | naraki | fdisk? |
| 14:46.52 | samuel | asg, thx |
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| 14:46.55 | da_bon_bon | asg, mtnman: thats true, but i want to add a skin to it.. i want to edit the usr/share/m,player dir in the pack.. how do i do that ? |
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| 14:46.58 | dorto | if i go with debian, i will install the latest version there |
| 14:47.03 | mtnman | dorto: try them both and see what you like. |
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| 14:47.11 | H2OyJaBoN | can i mount a "/home" partition in install process or it's auto? |
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| 14:47.17 | naraki | auto |
| 14:47.17 | Starf^Work | dorto, debian |
| 14:47.17 | mtnman | da_bon_bon: dunno. i don't waste time on skins. |
| 14:47.25 | da_bon_bon | mtnman: no gui ? gr8! |
| 14:47.27 | asg | da_bon_bon: that I don't know, I've only ever used mplayer from an rxvt |
| 14:47.33 | da_bon_bon | oh |
| 14:47.36 | dorto | i already liked debian very much!! someone told me gentoo is better for developers |
| 14:47.42 | da_bon_bon | asg: u use aalib to watch videos ? |
| 14:47.47 | da_bon_bon | dort: define a "developer" |
| 14:47.49 | mtnman | da_bon_gon: i use mplayer from command line because my machines are all fairly slow. |
| 14:47.53 | asg | da_bon_bon: no, sdl in X. I just start it via an rxvt |
| 14:47.58 | dorto | lol, i knew it was coming |
| 14:48.02 | da_bon_bon | ok, asg |
| 14:48.11 | da_bon_bon | mtnman: slower than piii 550mhz ? |
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| 14:48.17 | asg | da_bon_bon: #mplayer may know what you need to do though. |
| 14:48.24 | dorto | once when i said " it is good" someone asked me to define 'good' :P |
| 14:48.31 | da_bon_bon | oh! n00bie me! thanks, asg |
| 14:48.39 | asg | dorto: did they ask you to define 'is' also? |
| 14:48.45 | dorto | lol |
| 14:48.52 | dorto | i would have fainted |
| 14:48.56 | mtnman | da_bon_bon: no. slightly faster than that. piii 650 and 900 |
| 14:48.59 | bbrazil | ipv6 - I want packets to come in on eth0 and be routed back out eth0. I have forwarding enabled for the interface in proc but it isn't working. Any ideas? |
| 14:49.16 | petemc | bbrazil: can that work? |
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| 14:49.25 | da_bon_bon | mtnman: then mplayer gui will work. |
| 14:49.27 | bbrazil | petemc: works on ipv4 |
| 14:49.31 | mtnman | dorto: they were asking for your criteria |
| 14:49.32 | petemc | oh.. |
| 14:49.32 | dorto | any gentoo fans here can tell me about a/some killer feature(s) of it please? |
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| 14:49.42 | Raven007 | hey again |
| 14:49.45 | Starf^Work | dorto, err r #gentoo? |
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| 14:49.55 | dorto | errrr |
| 14:49.59 | dorto | k |
| 14:50.01 | mtnman | da_bon_bon: true, but performance may be slow if you run a lot of other stuff concurrently. |
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| 14:50.15 | da_bon_bon | ok, mtnman |
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| 14:50.20 | mtnman | dorto: wrong channel to ask about gentoo |
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| 14:50.28 | H2OyJaBoN | can i mount a "/home" partition in install process or it's auto? |
| 14:50.33 | pit_ | where can I define on wich graphic card the kernel boot prompt is being shown? |
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| 14:50.52 | mtnman | h20yjabon: your question is unclear, even the second time around. |
| 14:50.58 | Raven007 | H2OyJaBoN: what do you want exactly to do ? |
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| 14:51.19 | asg | pit_: try ##kernelnewbies |
| 14:51.28 | pit_ | thanx |
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| 14:51.47 | Raven007 | this is the biggest channel on freenode.net ? |
| 14:51.47 | Raven007 | :) |
| 14:52.05 | naraki | hey does anybody know if sysveditor in sarge is broken? |
| 14:52.07 | dorto | good q |
| 14:52.08 | Raven007 | it seems that anybody who has a problem comes here |
| 14:52.08 | Raven007 | :) |
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| 14:52.19 | asg | naraki: check the bts |
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| 14:52.27 | naraki | bts? |
| 14:52.35 | asg | !tell naraki about bts |
| 14:52.41 | H2OyJaBoN | Raven007 i wanna install debian sarge 3.1 , have a "/home" partition (with info) want kepp this info! can i ? |
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| 14:52.51 | naraki | TY! lol |
| 14:52.53 | Raven007 | H2OyJaBoN: ofc |
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| 14:53.00 | dorto | if debian q's should go to #debian, gentoo q's to #gentoo, then where should the q's to compare them go? |
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| 14:53.11 | da_bon_bon | how come debian has vlc but not mplayer ? |
| 14:53.13 | dorto | there is no #debianvsgentoo i guess :P |
| 14:53.14 | H2OyJaBoN | Raven007 what?? i don't understand u! |
| 14:53.17 | asg | H2OyJaBoN: you can instruct the partitioning tool to leave /home alone and not format it if that is what you are asking. |
| 14:53.19 | Raven007 | H2OyJaBoN: you souldn't format it on install |
| 14:53.22 | Raven007 | that's it |
| 14:53.22 | bob2 | dorto: /msg dpkg mplayer legal safa |
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| 14:53.31 | Raven007 | and mark it as the home partition |
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| 14:53.33 | asg | '/home alone II' heh |
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| 14:54.26 | da_bon_bon | bob2: you mean saga |
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| 14:54.37 | H2OyJaBoN | asg ok thankS! |
| 14:54.39 | Starf^Work | is demon a full debian mirror and how uptodate si it? |
| 14:54.43 | H2OyJaBoN | Raven007 ok thank=))! |
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| 14:55.07 | bob2 | da_bon_bon: probably |
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| 14:55.33 | naraki | btw i like the debian net install hehehe especially with em dutch ftp severs |
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| 14:55.42 | asg | dorto: /msg dpkg gentoo (some links re: debian vs gentoo or what debianites that created the factoid think about gentoo.) |
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| 14:55.48 | mjk64 | hiho. |
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| 14:55.54 | bbrazil | answer to my above question - you must enable forwarding for 'all' |
| 14:56.06 | H2OyJaBoN | that was my question =) |
| 14:56.07 | Raven007 | bbrazil: ? |
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| 14:56.32 | Raven007 | bbrazil: paste the Q again |
| 14:56.37 | bbrazil | ipv6 - I want packets to come in on eth0 and be routed back out eth0. I have forwarding enabled for the interface in proc but it isn't working. Any ideas? |
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| 14:57.40 | mjk64 | Anyone knows which debian pkg has the ircII help file "ircII programming"? I tried "apt-file search programming|grep irc" to no avail. |
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| 14:58.04 | dorto | dpkg seems to be the superman! 90% of my questions have answers with dpkg :P |
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| 14:58.45 | dorto | where can i find more about how to use dpkg in this channel? |
| 14:58.55 | caphuso | by watching this channel |
| 14:58.59 | dorto | oh |
| 14:58.59 | da_bon_bon | hehe |
| 14:59.05 | mjk64 | dorto: ask dpkg it/himself :-) |
| 14:59.05 | H2OyJaBoN | dorto in google =) |
| 14:59.25 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 14:59.38 | da_bon_bon | can i edit an deb after its built ? |
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| 14:59.59 | caphuso | da_bon_bon: no |
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| 15:00.05 | da_bon_bon | caphuso: ok |
| 15:00.15 | bob2 | well |
| 15:00.15 | Raven007 | mjk64: apt-cache search ... |
| 15:00.15 | bob2 | you can |
| 15:00.17 | bob2 | but not simply |
| 15:00.19 | da_bon_bon | so.. any ideas how i make an mplayer package, with skins installed ? |
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| 15:00.38 | caphuso | da_bon_bon: you don't. you make a second package full of mplayer skins |
| 15:00.39 | naraki | get rpms and convert em with alien? |
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| 15:00.56 | da_bon_bon | caphuso: i dont want it that way. i want an integrated package. |
| 15:00.56 | mjk64 | Raven007: no hit. |
| 15:01.01 | takatumi | naraki: why? |
| 15:01.07 | Raven007 | da_bon_bon: 1 - make the package , make deb ; |
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| 15:01.11 | LootBeer | why is it that i configre,make,installed xcdroast... but when i launch it it gives me error msgs? |
| 15:01.13 | naraki | becouse i dont know a other way lol |
| 15:01.14 | naraki | ? |
| 15:01.14 | caphuso | da_bon_bon: then you need to edit the debian subdirectory accordingly |
| 15:01.23 | caphuso | before building it, obviously |
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| 15:01.27 | Raven007 | 2 - make the extra package with wkins, link it to mplayer as a dependency |
| 15:01.36 | Raven007 | 2 is better :) |
| 15:01.59 | Raven007 | LootBeer: what's wrong with apt-get install xcdroast ? |
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| 15:02.03 | takatumi | naraki: iydkdg |
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| 15:02.08 | Raven007 | debian != slack , u know :) |
| 15:02.13 | asg | LootBeer: why didn't you just apt-get install it? |
| 15:02.17 | inc|freaky | i do :D |
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| 15:02.23 | da_bon_bon | on other distros i have ttf fonts in "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/" how do i get it on debian ? |
| 15:02.29 | da_bon_bon | ok, caphuso and Raven007 |
| 15:02.32 | asg | da_bon_bon: /msg dpkg font guide |
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| 15:02.51 | asg | da_bon_bon: don't forget to give bob2 a beer afterwards |
| 15:03.13 | Raven007 | beer rulez |
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| 15:03.23 | Raven007 | i will drink a beer later |
| 15:03.26 | naraki | dutch beer rules beter said |
| 15:03.27 | Raven007 | in about 10 minutes |
| 15:03.32 | Raven007 | what brand ? |
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| 15:03.52 | da_bon_bon | great work, bob2 |
| 15:03.57 | naraki | duvel |
| 15:04.00 | da_bon_bon | bob2: i owe you a beer. |
| 15:04.01 | naraki | or brand |
| 15:04.06 | Raven007 | duvel ? what's that ? |
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| 15:04.08 | naraki | or hertog jan |
| 15:04.13 | naraki | its a very heavy beer |
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| 15:04.16 | Raven007 | carlsberg or stella ... |
| 15:04.20 | naraki | 12 to 15 % |
| 15:04.28 | Deek | ln -sf /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType /usr/lib/X11/fonts/TTF |
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| 15:04.39 | naraki | carlsberg is ok |
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| 15:04.47 | da_bon_bon | what fotn backen must i use ? freetype or Xtt ? |
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| 15:04.50 | Raven007 | naraki: whare are you from ? |
| 15:04.51 | da_bon_bon | thanks, Deek |
| 15:05.02 | naraki | Rotterdam / Netherlands |
| 15:05.04 | Deek | Or just add /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType to your font path. |
| 15:05.34 | da_bon_bon | Deek: that doesnt work. |
| 15:05.38 | Starf^Work | k struggling to find a unstable netinst release cd of debian 3.1 |
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| 15:05.40 | naraki | butta im not gonne mention heiniken couse its a chemicaly brewed |
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| 15:05.44 | Starf^Work | i had one ages ago |
| 15:05.50 | Starf^Work | but cant find it again |
| 15:05.51 | asg | Starf^Work: just install sarge, then upgrade |
| 15:05.58 | Starf^Work | too much hassle |
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| 15:06.15 | Starf^Work | might as well install stable and upgrade |
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| 15:06.18 | dorto | me too struggling to find dvd iso images for etch debian version, any links? |
| 15:06.22 | asg | Starf^Work: sarge is stable |
| 15:06.29 | da_bon_bon | ok, works, now, Deek thanks |
| 15:06.36 | Deek | da_bon_bon: What do you mean it doesn't work? Of course it does. :) |
| 15:06.52 | Starf^Work | oh |
| 15:06.59 | Starf^Work | sarge used to be testing |
| 15:06.59 | da_bon_bon | i hadnt configured defoma, Deek :) |
| 15:07.13 | asg | Starf^Work: yes, Debian actually does have a release every 3 or 4 years or so |
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| 15:07.23 | Raven007 | naraki: heineken is ok . how it's chemically brewed ? |
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| 15:07.34 | Starf^Work | well wasnt that long ago when stable was potato |
| 15:07.35 | Starf^Work | :) |
| 15:07.37 | Yoe | dorto: cdimage.debian.org has links. Note that you'll only find them with jigdo. |
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| 15:07.47 | naraki | uhm whats it callen when you keep a beer to let it age? |
| 15:07.48 | asg | Starf^Work: no, it wasn't. |
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| 15:07.56 | naraki | heiniken does that process chemically |
| 15:08.07 | naraki | not naturally |
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| 15:08.08 | naraki | thats why most dutch dunt like it |
| 15:08.14 | Yoe | dorto: or perhaps through bittorrent, if your architecture is i386 or powerpc |
| 15:08.18 | Raven007 | naraki: all does that ... |
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| 15:08.29 | da_bon_bon | ok guys gotta go |
| 15:08.29 | da_bon_bon | cya |
| 15:08.30 | naraki | noe |
| 15:08.40 | fbi | naraki: hate to tell you, but most breweries use chemicals to speed up that process |
| 15:08.48 | Starf^Work | catalysts |
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| 15:08.52 | naraki | I know .... Most..... |
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| 15:08.57 | asg | better living through chemistry |
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| 15:09.13 | fbi | asg: you're not from brighton |
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| 15:09.19 | Starf^Work | I like Stella myself |
| 15:09.19 | LootBeer | hows ubuntu better than debian?? |
| 15:09.19 | naraki | butta hey thats why dutch beer is one of the best on the world eh lol |
| 15:09.22 | asg | fbi: Huddersfield actually |
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| 15:09.24 | sussudio_ | everybody needs a 303 |
| 15:09.32 | Starf^Work | LootBeer, you are asking that in a debian channel? |
| 15:09.34 | fbi | no idea where that is heh |
| 15:09.38 | asg | LootBeer: ask #ubuntu, we wouldn't know |
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| 15:09.44 | LootBeer | lol |
| 15:09.47 | asg | fbi: just outside of Leeds |
| 15:09.52 | asg | fbi: more or less |
| 15:09.57 | fbi | i've been in brighton for 5 months, and haven't ventured outsid of it |
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| 15:10.04 | asg | fbi: probably a good idea |
| 15:10.12 | Starf^Work | fbi: a friend of mine is raving about it and is moving there |
| 15:10.16 | Starf^Work | is it any good> |
| 15:10.28 | fbi | it's a fun town, in the summer |
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| 15:10.43 | fbi | even though summer only lasted about a month |
| 15:10.46 | Raven007 | romanian beer it's ok |
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| 15:10.59 | fbi | i'm not used to stones on the beach yet though |
| 15:11.02 | Raven007 | but some brands are heavy on alchool :) |
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| 15:11.14 | asg | fbi: you never get used to it. |
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| 15:11.42 | asg | fbi: that's why you go to Malaga or Nice for holidays |
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| 15:12.06 | naraki | from debian to beer |
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| 15:12.12 | Raven007 | debian and beer |
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| 15:12.16 | naraki | word |
| 15:12.17 | asg | !dnd |
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| 15:12.19 | Raven007 | there's no line between |
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| 15:12.31 | Raven007 | it can't go without :) |
| 15:12.42 | Raven007 | sorry for my english |
| 15:12.46 | naraki | hoi tombs |
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| 15:12.53 | naraki | np |
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| 15:13.11 | naraki | isnt my first language eighter |
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| 15:14.01 | Raven007 | i'll go to find some beer buddies ... |
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| 15:14.24 | Raven007 | hate drinking beer alone ... |
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| 15:15.04 | ircops | there... now you're not drinking alone |
| 15:15.07 | ircops | =D |
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| 15:15.15 | ircops | and I'm at work lol |
| 15:15.23 | naraki | lol |
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| 15:15.37 | antgel | we had a summer? |
| 15:15.45 | asg | ircops: I once did some consulting for a company that had an onsite beer fridge. Best $10k I ever had the pleasure of making. |
| 15:15.49 | naraki | summer wasnt that the hot season? |
| 15:15.55 | ircops | asg: sweeeet |
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| 15:16.25 | ircops | !beer me |
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| 15:16.50 | naraki | LOL |
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| 15:16.55 | naraki | the bot is boozing |
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| 15:16.58 | sgeigerbot | asg: Are you suggesting that some places *don't* have a beer fridge? /me is horrified |
| 15:17.05 | ircops | hehehe |
| 15:17.18 | dorto | new kernel is installed! |
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| 15:17.22 | dorto | rebooting... |
| 15:17.23 | asg | sgeigerbot: I know for a fact most places don't. Especially in the U.S. :( |
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| 15:17.28 | Yoe | Hm. Whoever told dpkg that 'Spaten Pils' can be a good beer should probably be educated a slight bit more. |
| 15:17.37 | naraki | lmao |
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| 15:18.14 | asg | Yoe: please feel free to change it :) |
| 15:18.19 | Yoe | sure |
| 15:18.25 | fbi | i would never drink a beer named 'Spaten Pils', it sounds too much like 'spit in piss' |
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| 15:18.33 | naraki | roflmao |
| 15:18.35 | naraki | omg |
| 15:18.37 | sgeigerbot | asg: Hmm. That's odd. I'm in the US. At every job I've had I have gotten a company-issued beer helmet with two beer holders and long straws. *shrugs* |
| 15:18.44 | asg | fbi: which describes most beer produced in the world. |
| 15:18.57 | simonrvn | esp. export beers |
| 15:18.59 | asg | sgeigerbot: then you have been fortunate. Are you up north? |
| 15:19.11 | sgeigerbot | fbi: You can bet your sweet ass that Spaten Pils is better than US beer. |
| 15:19.19 | azeem | dpkg, beer =~ s/Spaten Pils/Spaten Helles/ |
| 15:19.19 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'Spaten Pils', azeem |
| 15:19.25 | azeem | pfft |
| 15:19.25 | sgeigerbot | asg: :-) Ok, I'm kidding of course. I live in red Nebraska. |
| 15:19.34 | ircops | lunch time... bbiab |
| 15:19.35 | fbi | better than yuengling? |
| 15:19.42 | ircops | fbi: YUMMY! |
| 15:19.42 | asg | sgeigerbot: nice ;) |
| 15:19.50 | ircops | fbi: a real man's beer :D |
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| 15:20.06 | ircops | Killian's ain't bad either... |
| 15:20.10 | ircops | anyway... bbiab |
| 15:20.17 | naraki | jumjum |
| 15:20.18 | asg | ircops: you remember Red Oak. Haven't seen that in ages. |
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| 15:20.37 | sgeigerbot | Does anyone recall what "off topic" means? |
| 15:20.40 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 15:20.44 | naraki | uhm |
| 15:20.46 | naraki | nope |
| 15:20.56 | asg | sgeigerbot: there hasn't been a debian question in 5 minutes or so |
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| 15:20.56 | naraki | might be the beer? |
| 15:21.02 | antgel | sgeigerbot: what does that question have to do with debian? ;) |
| 15:21.09 | Yoe | sgeigerbot: is it when people calling themselves "bot" start asking questions? |
| 15:21.09 | naraki | lol |
| 15:21.36 | fbi | ok i have a debian related question, who here thinks Debian should be renamed to Iandeb? |
| 15:21.51 | naraki | lmao |
| 15:21.54 | naraki | nice |
| 15:21.54 | asg | fbi: #debian-women would be very upset and rightly so |
| 15:22.07 | fbi | hah |
| 15:22.47 | simonrvn | 'debian' is fine |
| 15:22.47 | naraki | holy shit is there a channel called debian-women? |
| 15:22.47 | Yoe | naraki: there's a whole subproject called debian-women |
| 15:22.47 | Phated | There is. |
| 15:22.47 | asg | naraki: and a sub-project to help encourage more participation. |
| 15:22.47 | bibe | naraki : it's named after a project |
| 15:22.48 | Yoe | naraki: where've you been the last few years? ;-) |
| 15:22.49 | naraki | uhm good question |
| 15:22.52 | naraki | the moon?> |
| 15:22.57 | Yoe | apparently :) |
| 15:23.07 | bibe | and I think there's a #debian-women-new channel |
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| 15:23.36 | naraki | butta seriously coolness wider spread of knowledge and opensource is allways a good thing or so i think |
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| 15:23.46 | sgeigerbot | I was wondering: Can grub use any random directory as the root? Here's something from a valid grub stanza: root (hd0,2) \n kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.12-xen0 root=/dev/hda3 ro single I was wondering if I could make that into: root (hd0,2)/debootstrap \n kernel /debootstrap/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.12-xen0 root=/dev/hda3 ro single |
| 15:23.49 | sgeigerbot | Is that possible? |
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| 15:24.09 | Phated | sgeigerbot: Seems sane. |
| 15:24.13 | asg | sgeigerbot: try it and see |
| 15:24.30 | sgeigerbot | Seriously? |
| 15:24.34 | Yoe | sgeigerbot: the "root" command requires a grub-style hard disk |
| 15:24.36 | Yoe | so no, that won't work |
| 15:24.38 | Phated | Yeah, seriously. |
| 15:24.47 | Yoe | sgeigerbot: but where your kernel is, grub couldn't care less |
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| 15:24.54 | jorge_ | hi |
| 15:24.56 | jorge_ | i need some packet generator, trying imq + esfq so i need something to generate traffic with many open connections.. |
| 15:25.11 | sgeigerbot | Yoe: That's what I was thinking...but since grub can "see into" a filesystem, it seems as if you should be able to do something along those lines. |
| 15:25.12 | Yoe | jorge_: there's a packet generator in the kernel |
| 15:25.18 | antgel | just watch the furore if you try to start a debian-men project :) |
| 15:25.25 | darkness | I have a small problem with port 22.I've opened it up at the router and installed ssh.Yet a port scan shows port22 to be closed? |
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| 15:25.50 | Yoe | sgeigerbot: sure; like I said, you can always use a kernel filename like '/debootstrap/foo/bar/whatever' |
| 15:25.59 | Yoe | grub couldn't care less where the file is actually located |
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| 15:26.26 | naraki | hey does anybody remember that hacker gigabyte ... maybe we should invite her to debian women |
| 15:27.35 | azeem | !lol |
| 15:27.35 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:27.50 | antgel | not me, i'm just wondering wtf gigabyte is |
| 15:28.01 | darkness | Me too? |
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| 15:28.22 | naraki | she was a vxer who got it on with graham cluely and was busted she was the first belgium hacker |
| 15:28.25 | Yoe | actually, 'lol' is Dutch for 'fun' |
| 15:28.26 | sgeigerbot | Yoe: what about the root of the filesystem? That's what I most concerned about. I'm thinking about the situation where I have a debootstrapped install of Debian, but it isn't on its own partition--it's in a subdirectory of the current root filesystem, and I want to, sort of, shift weight to it--that is, to start booting to the debootstrapped system, not the original one. Unless I have a free partition where I could do the deb |
| 15:28.26 | sgeigerbot | ootstrap install, I'll have to find some inventive way to start using the debootstrap install. see? |
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| 15:28.47 | Yoe | sgeigerbot: the root of the filesystem is of concern for the kernel, but not for grub |
| 15:28.59 | darkness | Yoe, No shit? |
| 15:29.01 | Yoe | grub only cares about what file it needs to load and what arguments it needs to give to that file |
| 15:29.11 | darkness | :-) |
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| 15:29.16 | Yoe | darkness: yeah, you know that. dpkg doesn't seem to. |
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| 15:29.34 | antgel | naraki: what is a vxer? what language are you talking? |
| 15:29.35 | jorge_ | Yoe, yes kernel packet generator... |
| 15:29.42 | darkness | Anyhow, wtf isn't port 22 open :-( |
| 15:29.42 | jorge_ | how to use it? |
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| 15:30.03 | naraki | antgel vxer is a virus writer thats what there called in the scene |
| 15:30.27 | darkness | heh, virus writer. |
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| 15:30.35 | sgeigerbot | Yoe: I'm a little unclear, then, on how to make the kernel use /dev/hda3/debootstrap instead of /dev/hda3 as the root of the root filesystem. |
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| 15:31.16 | Yoe | sgeigerbot: you can't. The kernel can only use the root of a filesystem; you can chroot into a directory, but you cannot boot off of it |
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| 15:31.26 | darkness | Antgel: Any ideas why port 22 is not in open state on my box even though the router is config correctly? |
| 15:31.27 | naraki | hm |
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| 15:31.53 | naraki | hmmmmmm.... |
| 15:32.04 | sep | darkness, sshd isnt running |
| 15:32.08 | antgel | darkness: no, because your description of the problem makes me feel like i'm in, er, darkness |
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| 15:32.23 | sgeigerbot | Yoe: so, how would one go about making a debootstrap install the root filesystem *if* one didn't have a free partition (and didn't resize partitions)? Is there such a way? |
| 15:32.42 | Yoe | sgeigerbot: temporarily use your swap partition |
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| 15:33.03 | darkness | antgel: I've just installed ssh. So shouldn't it work? |
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| 15:33.21 | naraki | services start sshd |
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| 15:33.44 | asg | darkness: it should ask you at install time if you want to run the daemon. Perhaps you said 'no' to that question? |
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| 15:33.59 | petemc | not hard to check.. |
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| 15:34.15 | naraki | didnt ask me if i wanted to run sshd had to start it manually to |
| 15:34.19 | petemc | naraki: what packages is this services command in? |
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| 15:34.27 | asg | petemc: a redhatism I expect |
| 15:34.32 | petemc | aye |
| 15:34.35 | naraki | beats me i type it in a tty |
| 15:34.39 | naraki | bash |
| 15:34.42 | sgeigerbot | Yoe: good thinking. I suppose you wouldn't even have to copy everything from the filesystem over there, but a debootstrap install is about 250MB anyway--small enough to fit in most swap partitions. |
| 15:34.54 | petemc | naraki: you would appear to not be running debian |
| 15:34.55 | Yoe | exactly |
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| 15:35.26 | naraki | am |
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| 15:35.59 | asg | naraki: what debian version? |
| 15:36.07 | naraki | sarge |
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| 15:36.10 | naraki | 3.1a |
| 15:36.13 | Fionn | hello. |
| 15:36.13 | asg | !find bin/services sarge |
| 15:36.15 | naraki | i think' |
| 15:36.21 | Fionn | how am I supposed to unmount a volume that is blocked by gam_server? |
| 15:36.30 | Fionn | I cant mount a single thing via USB without gamin taking a lock immediately |
| 15:36.32 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/services' returned no results. |
| 15:36.33 | pureone | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:36.33 | naraki | but now that im tryin it myself it doesnt work? |
| 15:36.35 | naraki | wtf |
| 15:36.41 | asg | Fionn: kill the process using it (fuser, lsof will help you find the pid) |
| 15:36.45 | antgel | naraki: how can you not know what OS you are running? do you know your shoe size? |
| 15:36.53 | naraki | naraki@omega-gate:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:36.53 | naraki | 3.1 |
| 15:36.53 | naraki | naraki@omega-gate:~$ |
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| 15:37.04 | azeem | naraki: it does not work because it does not exist in Debian |
| 15:37.12 | Fionn | asg: and when I do killall -9 gam_server; umount /something then often half a dozen gnome apps freak out |
| 15:37.31 | Fionn | so what is the real way to handle this? |
| 15:37.44 | Fionn | I mean, it cant be MEANT this way, can it? |
| 15:37.51 | asg | Fionn: #debian-gnome on irc.oftc.net might know if nobody here does. |
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| 15:39.15 | asg | !tell OriiIchii about away |
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| 15:39.35 | Fionn | asg: that channel is completely empty |
| 15:39.52 | naraki | guess im lossing it since i used it some time ago... maybe it was some other os |
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| 15:40.02 | asg | Fionn: maybe it was #gnome-debian then |
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| 15:40.25 | takatumi | asg: wasn't it on irc.gimp.net? |
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| 15:40.39 | takatumi | oh, debian-gnome, no. |
| 15:40.50 | asg | takatumi: thought it was oftc.net. It might changed though. |
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| 15:41.19 | Fionn | asg: that channel is completely empty, too |
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| 15:41.50 | asg | Fionn: hmmm. Then I guess you'll have to lurk here or perhaps ask the mailing lists |
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| 15:42.16 | Fionn | asg: which ML do ou recommend |
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| 15:42.32 | asg | Fionn: debian-user is the canonical one. Check if there is a gnome specific one also |
| 15:42.40 | takatumi | Fionn: irc.gimp.net, #gnome or #gnome-debian |
| 15:42.59 | takatumi | rather silent though. :) |
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| 15:44.25 | krassy1809 | how i can clone my hard disk ? In the disk i have a debian installation ,boot manager grub and microsoft windows millenium. |
| 15:44.34 | fbi | krassy1809: dd |
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| 15:45.13 | Fionn | takatumi: lets see. I am beginning to feel like I am the only one being bitched by this. |
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| 15:45.25 | asg | krassy1809: there's also g4u (Ghost for Unix) |
| 15:45.31 | petemc | and partimage can do it too |
| 15:46.27 | krassy1809 | is g4u a debian package ? |
| 15:46.37 | Anthro | Is there a way to inject data into a running process's stdin? I tried echo <data> > /proc/<pid>/fd/0 but that isn't effective. |
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| 15:46.46 | asg | krassy1809: no, it's a NetBSD based disk cloning utility. Google for it |
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| 15:47.51 | Raven007 | bye |
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| 15:48.21 | naraki | l8r |
| 15:48.52 | carrett | hi guys. just installed the nvidia driver on debian sid. it installed fine and shows up in lsmod, but when i try to startx, x complains it can't load the nvidia module...any clues? |
| 15:49.24 | mwilson | Installed it *how*? |
| 15:49.30 | naraki | edited your XF86 config to include driver" nvidia" ? |
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| 15:49.57 | antgel | naraki: of course he has, read the question |
| 15:50.18 | thb | Situation: My program runs for long hours, outputting to stdout as it goes. Problem: When stdout go to the terminal, the output appears in real time. However, when I ask bash to redirect the output to a file, the output is buffered somewhere where I cannot see it, only reaching the file when my whole long program has finished. Question: How can I disable the buffer, allowing data to proceed immediately from stdout to the file without delay? |
| 15:50.21 | naraki | antgel do u have a problem with me?> |
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| 15:50.25 | naraki | if so can it |
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| 15:50.26 | antgel | Anthro: doubt it |
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| 15:51.02 | Anthro | antgel: Ah, disappointing. |
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| 15:51.40 | antgel | Anthro: perhaps if you tell us what you're trying to do. nb the echo thing you tried is pretty daft afaics |
| 15:52.13 | antgel | thb: what's the program written in? |
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| 15:52.27 | kikinovak | Hi. I'm a Slack user currently migrating to Debian. Q: where is the Debian equivalent of /etc/rc.d/rc.local? I have two ethernet cards 'bundled' together with bridge-utils, and now I wonder where I put the bridge definition... |
| 15:52.31 | thb | antgel: Fortran 77 |
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| 15:52.33 | Anthro | antgel: It seemed like a good idea at the time? Anyway, I was just trying to quit something nicely by sending it a q instead of sending a kill signal. I sent the kill signal, though, and I'm sure all is well. |
| 15:52.33 | resiak | !rc.local |
| 15:52.34 | dpkg | rc.local is probably the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 15:52.34 | Estes2 | Hi everyone ! Anyone knows where i could find doc about the options of chmod for the 1st number: x777 (i mean for x) when setting for directories... i want everything created in this directory, no matter who did it to have the owner/rights of this directory |
| 15:52.46 | Estes2 | the man doesn't tell about this |
| 15:52.51 | resiak | Estes2: man chmod; you probably want setuid and setgid |
| 15:53.01 | antgel | Anthro: afaik kill isn't so bad, it's kill -9 etc that can be messy |
| 15:53.02 | asg | !wikifaq Estes2 Permissions |
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| 15:53.03 | dpkg | Estes2: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:53.07 | Anthro | Estes2: You can't enforce owner or rights. You can only enforce group. |
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| 15:53.38 | resiak | !tell naraki -about away |
| 15:53.40 | asg | naraki: please don't do that |
| 15:53.41 | kikinovak | !rc.local |
| 15:53.41 | dpkg | somebody said rc.local was the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 15:53.42 | Anthro | !tell naraki about away |
| 15:53.43 | antgel | thb: *shrug* |
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| 15:53.49 | naraki | ok ok |
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| 15:54.09 | Mars__^ | Hi i have question. I downloaded java and it is *.rpm.bin file. How to open it ? |
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| 15:54.16 | asg | Mars__^: /msg dpkg install java |
| 15:54.18 | antgel | Mars__^: /topic |
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| 15:54.20 | Estes2 | ok, thanks guys |
| 15:54.21 | DotHack | yo yo yo |
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| 15:54.48 | thb | antgel: how would you do it if the program were written in C? It seems to me that I read once about a way to debuffer, but even with Google, I cannot seem to find that info now. |
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| 15:55.34 | antgel | thb: need to flush buffer. no idea about fortran at all. |
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| 15:56.44 | stew | Mars__^: you should have downloaded the non-rpm version |
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| 15:57.16 | thb | antgel: If you knew of a man page, a glibc info-manual entry, or some other document I should start reading at, to learn how to flush the buffer, would you tell me where to start reading, please? |
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| 15:57.46 | Mars__^ | what ? |
| 15:57.47 | Mars__^ | I dont understand |
| 15:57.52 | asg | !tell Mars__^ about install java |
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| 15:58.33 | meursault | i messed around with chmod, now i can only acces my files as root. but how can I acces them as user? The permissions are right (or i think so) and the owners are also set right. |
| 15:58.35 | stew | Mars__^: which part don't you understand? |
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| 15:58.49 | stew | meursault: we need specifics |
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| 15:59.00 | asg | thb: if you do 'program | perl -ne 'BEGIN{$!++;}print' > foo' does foo fill up immediately? |
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| 15:59.08 | Aragorn_Guardian | hi all |
| 15:59.15 | thb | asg: stand by |
| 15:59.22 | Aragorn_Guardian | i need info about last stable postgres package |
| 15:59.25 | antgel | thb: sorry, my c is poor. |
| 15:59.27 | carrett | mwilson: installed the drivers the debian way...still having troubles. |
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| 15:59.42 | meursault | stew the permission are -or d rw-r--r-- |
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| 16:00.13 | Aragorn_Guardian | in debian stable postgres is 7.4.7, but postgres itself is in 8.0.3....i wanna know why this, end more info about this... |
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| 16:00.38 | antgel | Aragorn_Guardian: perhaps you should learn about debian releases. /msg dpkg releases |
| 16:00.44 | thb | antgel: thank you |
| 16:00.48 | asg | thb: sorry s/!/|/ |
| 16:00.49 | mwilson | Aragorn_Guardian: What's so hard to understand? |
| 16:01.00 | krassy1809 | What debian package i need to burn a cd`s or dvd`s ? |
| 16:01.05 | thb | asg: understood |
| 16:01.29 | antgel | krassy1809: cdrecord and |
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| 16:01.34 | antgel | s/and// |
| 16:01.36 | stew | meursault: is "-or d rw-r--r--" a typo? and the owner? and error you are getting? and how are you trying to access the file? |
| 16:01.40 | KiMoS | i ave keyboardproblem, keyboard showing wrong characters plz pm me if u can help |
| 16:01.51 | antgel | jesus |
| 16:02.02 | stew | KiMoS: how does your keyboard show characters? |
| 16:02.04 | Aragorn_Guardian | mwilson: i need new version of postgres, could i uninstall the stable, 7.4.7, and install another one? |
| 16:02.08 | meursault | stew, the first ist d for directories and - for normal files |
| 16:02.10 | thb | asg: no, foo does not fill |
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| 16:02.13 | mwilson | Aragorn_Guardian: If you like. |
| 16:02.21 | KiMoS | stew p0 for p |
| 16:02.22 | asg | thb: how are you reading foo? |
| 16:02.26 | meursault | the rest is like i said. i try to acces them with ls |
| 16:02.29 | KiMoS | p0 for 0 |
| 16:02.33 | snail | stew: one of those keyboards with configurable lights under each key? |
| 16:02.36 | Gathond | Aragorn_Guardian: depends on what you mean, postgres is not compatible with its on disk format between mayor versions |
| 16:02.37 | KiMoS | i8 = i |
| 16:02.43 | mwilson | meursault: Directories have to be +x if you want to be able to see what's in them. |
| 16:02.44 | thb | asg: On a separate terminal, "cat foo". |
| 16:02.54 | stew | meursault: if you cannot ls the files, how are you getting the permissions? |
| 16:02.59 | Gathond | Aragorn_Guardian: so installing a postgres 8.0 wont work directly |
| 16:03.07 | asg | thb: oh. It looks like your program is buffering output for some reason then as you said. |
| 16:03.08 | stew | meursault: directories should have a +x |
| 16:03.09 | meursault | stew as root i can |
| 16:03.14 | Aragorn_Guardian | mwilson: the versions are equivalents, i said, 7.4.7 of debian is identical of the postgres one? or there is some kind of difference? |
| 16:03.31 | snail | KiMoS: are you running X? what kind of keyboard is it (US? UK? Japanese?)? |
| 16:03.42 | meursault | stew, how can i ad a +x to all directories |
| 16:03.48 | KiMoS | UK wi8ndo9w2s |
| 16:03.53 | antgel | !monday |
| 16:03.53 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 16:03.55 | KiMoS | windows |
| 16:03.58 | Aragorn_Guardian | Gathond: you have troubles with it yet? |
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| 16:04.17 | Gathond | Aragorn_Guardian: no, but postgresql says they are not compatible |
| 16:04.25 | stew | meursault: find /path -type d -exec chmod +x {}\; |
| 16:04.26 | yang | Where can i get KDE apm applet? |
| 16:04.32 | snail | KiMoS: is it a "special" windows keyboard? or a standard one? are you running x? |
| 16:04.39 | Gathond | Aragorn_Guardian: postgresql.com that is, so I trust them to be truthfull about it |
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| 16:04.53 | KiMoS | no9r4mal ke3ybo9ar4d |
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| 16:04.59 | thb | asg: Any clues? Somehow, my program seems to know where I have redirected stdout. If directly to the terminal, output is immediate. If to a file or via shell "|" pipe, through the unwanted buffer. Odd. I cannot seem to crack this puzzle. |
| 16:05.03 | KiMoS | normal keyboard |
| 16:05.07 | Gathond | Aragorn_Guardian: a 7.4.somthing version should be fine thoug, perhaps any 7.x, but not a 6.x or 8.x |
| 16:05.14 | snail | KiMoS: are you running x? |
| 16:05.18 | KiMoS | what is x |
| 16:05.27 | azeem | KiMoS: graphical desktop |
| 16:05.33 | asg | thb: you might try piping it to 'tee' or even 'grep . --line-buffered -' to see if the same results occur |
| 16:05.34 | antgel | !troll |
| 16:05.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, troll is http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html, or "one who is gaming the social dynamics of the list in order to warm his miniscule soul at the flames, not one who believes himself to be debating a point of significance (however ham-handedly)." (Michael K. Edwards) |
| 16:05.34 | KiMoS | yes |
| 16:05.35 | Gathond | Aragorn_Guardian: you can do it, but it would involve dumping the database to sql and importing that again after |
| 16:05.44 | [orp | i people i have this |
| 16:05.45 | [orp | 111/tcp open rpcbind |
| 16:05.45 | [orp | 113/tcp open auth |
| 16:05.45 | [orp | 1005/tcp open unknown |
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| 16:05.53 | asg | O_o |
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| 16:06.03 | Mars__^ | I cant find non-rpm java |
| 16:06.10 | abrotman | [orp: /msg dpkg flood |
| 16:06.13 | asg | Mars__^: oh, come on. it's there |
| 16:06.14 | Fionn | JFYI: http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/config.html this solved my gamin problem. So if anyone asks again, you have seen this ;-) |
| 16:06.16 | abrotman | !tell Mars__^ about install java |
| 16:06.17 | snail | KiMoS: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" as root |
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| 16:06.24 | asg | abrotman: been there, done that |
| 16:06.25 | thb | asg: Good idea. Actually, tee was the first thing I tried. Tee does not receive the output in real time. It is buffered before it ever reaches tee. |
| 16:06.26 | Aragorn_Guardian | Gathond: nice...i do this, for the upgrades, thanks. |
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| 16:06.47 | abrotman | http://jdl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=10149 |
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| 16:06.51 | asg | thb: that's just odd |
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| 16:07.02 | KiMoS | i am under windows |
| 16:07.05 | [orp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:07.15 | antgel | i did warn y'all |
| 16:07.25 | asg | antgel: about KiMoS or [orp? :) |
| 16:07.33 | Aragorn_Guardian | mwilson: so, my testing packages, can "live" with the others stable, with no troubles, i mean, things like gcc, and others libs, dont conflict at all? or depends from my package? |
| 16:07.41 | antgel | asg: :) |
| 16:07.41 | [orp | how do i stop some services i have ? |
| 16:07.48 | Aragorn_Guardian | mwilson: i found new postgres in testing. |
| 16:07.58 | thb | asg: thank you. I can modify the program to work around the problem, I guess, but I wish that I understood this bufferin problem. I appreciate your help nevertheless. |
| 16:07.59 | antgel | Aragorn_Guardian: if you mix releases, you might well be in for problems. |
| 16:08.05 | mwilson | Aragorn_Guardian: Why're you asking me? |
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| 16:08.06 | Yoe | [orp: "/etc/init.d/<service> stop", usually |
| 16:08.07 | asg | [orp: update-rc.d |
| 16:08.16 | Aragorn_Guardian | mwilson: understood |
| 16:08.22 | [orp | yap i have done it |
| 16:08.24 | mwilson | Aragorn_Guardian: I didn't tell you to change the version you were running ...that was your own idea. |
| 16:08.24 | asg | thb: you're welcome. Hope you get it figured out. |
| 16:08.30 | [orp | and dont work look |
| 16:08.41 | [orp | 113/tcp open auth |
| 16:08.43 | petemc | [orp: some things may be running from inetd |
| 16:08.44 | asg | it's going to paste again methinks |
| 16:09.01 | en1gma | hey peeps im having some big probs with my pda to use as a modem. im almost there but not quite yet. can someone help me add some device IDs to the "standard Linux serial driver"? |
| 16:09.05 | asg | !peeps |
| 16:09.05 | dpkg | i heard peeps is a marshmallow chick product by Just Born, http://www.marshmallowpeeps.com There have been no confirmed sightings of these marshmallows on IRC, so anyone asking for them is being optimistic at best. stick them in the microwave for 30 seconds for a yummy treat. The Unofficial Peeps FAQ is available at (http://www.geekbabe.com/peeps/peepfaq.html) |
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| 16:09.19 | KiMoS | <fuxxy_> every time you press a key in the top row, the keyboard confuses it with the corresponding number key in the row above it. |
| 16:09.30 | KiMoS | <fuxxy_> It's a hardware problem. |
| 16:09.38 | en1gma | i cant seem to locate "standard Linux serial driver" cause i dont know exact filename |
| 16:09.46 | [orp | i have all comented on inetd |
| 16:09.47 | Yoe | en1gma: /dev/ttyS* |
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| 16:10.01 | antgel | *plonk plonk* |
| 16:10.06 | en1gma | i think mine it /dev/ttys2 |
| 16:10.08 | [orp | how do i stop it |
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| 16:10.18 | en1gma | i have to edit that driver |
| 16:10.22 | Aragorn_Guardian | since i need new postgres 8.x , and it is in a testing release, so i must do that, dont? |
| 16:10.23 | Yoe | en1gma: I don't think so, but it could be /dev/ttyS2 |
| 16:10.24 | [orp | tcp open ports |
| 16:10.36 | Yoe | [orp: use a firewall |
| 16:10.45 | [orp | iptables? |
| 16:10.49 | en1gma | thats the actual device i believe what i need to do is add some info to the standard Linux serial driver" |
| 16:10.53 | Yoe | that would be a good one, yes |
| 16:11.19 | [orp | ok |
| 16:11.23 | [orp | thanks |
| 16:11.25 | petemc | [orp: did you restart inetd? |
| 16:11.31 | [orp | yap |
| 16:11.35 | [orp | many times |
| 16:12.00 | svref | plugging in IDE drives, does it matter if the master is physically the last drive on the cable, or can it be the middle? |
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| 16:12.27 | Yoe | svref: it doesn't matter a tiny bit |
| 16:12.33 | mwilson | svref: The spec does say the master is supposed to be at the end. |
| 16:12.39 | pmitros | Is Woody still being supported by security.debian.org? |
| 16:12.49 | stew | pmitros: yes |
| 16:12.49 | Yoe | mwilson: yeah, but if your cable is good, it shouldn't matter |
| 16:13.02 | streuner | pmitros: one year after sarge is releasted |
| 16:13.14 | streuner | dpkg, sarge |
| 16:13.14 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 16:13.16 | Yoe | streuner: or until etch is released, whichever is first |
| 16:13.23 | mwilson | svref: Whether or not it matters with an 80-pin cable depends on the specific characteristics of the drive, the cable, whether you're using cable select or not, etc, etc, etc. |
| 16:13.30 | pmitros | stew, steuner: Thanks. All I needed to know. |
| 16:13.36 | streuner | Yoe: hm, its prolly one year, isn't it? ;-) |
| 16:13.44 | svref | i.e. fire it up and try it. Can do! |
| 16:13.47 | Yoe | streuner: stay optimistic :) |
| 16:13.57 | streuner | Yoe: :-) |
| 16:14.08 | mwilson | Uh, no, not "fire it up and try it". Where did you get the idea that I'd said something idiotic like that? |
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| 16:14.16 | pmitros | Yoe: So June 6, 2006, or 2010, whichever comes first? |
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| 16:14.37 | Yoe | pmitros: ha ha very funny |
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| 16:14.53 | svref | mwilson: eh? |
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| 16:16.50 | svref | mwilson: if it depends on many variables some of which are hard to test, what other way have I? (master/slave jumpers are set correctly, not sure how to test for # of pins, older drives and cables, so prolly 40) |
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| 16:17.44 | mwilson | svref: Why would you have to "test" the number of pins in the cable? You can't tell the difference between 40 and 80 wires? |
| 16:18.26 | mwilson | svref: Further, why would you need to test anything at all? Put the master at the end, where the spec says it goes, put the slave in the center, where the spec says it goes, and you have no problems. |
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| 16:18.53 | dorto | installed 2.6 kernel, now it shows eth1 also(my wg511 card) but it has no ip address :( |
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| 16:19.01 | mwilson | svref: If you only have 40-pin cables, the drive isn't going to run faster than UDMA2 in any case. |
| 16:19.14 | dorto | if i add dhcp config in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:19.16 | azeem | dorto: did you edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:19.20 | azeem | ok |
| 16:19.28 | dorto | its creating eth2 for the wireless card |
| 16:19.32 | svref | mwilson: its physically impossible to arrange these old drives correctly |
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| 16:19.52 | dorto | let me try to give it a static ip |
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| 16:20.03 | mwilson | svref: If they can be arranged incorrectly, they can be arranged correctly. QED. |
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| 16:25.51 | asg | mwilson: looks like your deft logic broke the intraweb ;) |
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| 16:27.01 | svref | mwilson: sigh. not really. To reverse it I have to twist it, and that makes the cable too short. |
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| 16:27.31 | mwilson | svref: Then make or purchase the proper cable. |
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| 16:30.59 | streuner | !nospambots |
| 16:30.59 | dpkg | nospambot is http://p12n.org/tmp/nospambot.pl - put that in ~/.irssi/scripts and do /run nospambot to ignore join and quit messages of users who stay online for 2 seconds or less, or change timeout to a higher number to ignore bots who evade the k-line for more than 2 seconds or just "/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS" |
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| 16:31.20 | streuner | in case someone didn't know... |
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| 16:31.31 | asg | streuner: I think they all just buggered off for tea |
| 16:31.39 | streuner | hehe :-) |
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| 16:32.17 | jbroome | not hehe, tea. :) |
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| 16:33.09 | asg | jbroome: or combine the two and we can play #initgame. In what Bond film was 'Tee Hee' a primary henchman? |
| 16:33.59 | sgeigerbot | Does an iptables gateway support port address translation? or just nat? |
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| 16:34.24 | asg | sgeigerbot: both I think. #iptables would know for sure though. |
| 16:34.53 | sgeigerbot | asg: thanks |
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| 16:35.05 | antgel | mwilson: make an ide cable! you really are a nutter! |
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| 16:36.50 | mwilson | antgel: Oh? How do you figure? |
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| 16:37.08 | baroni | Hi all. Does anybody knows a ffmpeg.conf that enable to streaming a webcam ? |
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| 16:38.03 | antgel | mwilson: with the price of an ide cable, one would have to be pretty crazy to make one |
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| 16:38.20 | sgeigerbot | baroni: http://www.google.com/search?q=ffmpeg+webcam&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial |
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| 16:38.28 | antgel | baroni: your question is so vague as to be meaningless |
| 16:38.45 | baroni | thanks sgeigerbot |
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| 16:39.23 | p30n | hello |
| 16:39.30 | baroni | antgel, sgeigerbot : the problem is that is needed some special config in the ffmpeg.conf to be able to streaming a webcam image in the ffserver sucessefuly |
| 16:39.45 | p30n | i need a quick answer for a simple question, fastest easiest way to unrar something in debian shell ?? |
| 16:39.45 | baroni | and i'm not finding a good configuration |
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| 16:39.48 | baroni | :( |
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| 16:39.58 | antgel | p30n: unrar |
| 16:40.06 | p30n | apt-get install unrar ? |
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| 16:40.25 | dimir | pr0n! |
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| 16:40.42 | p30n | there is no such package |
| 16:40.45 | p30n | it says |
| 16:40.53 | mwilson | p30n: Sucks to be you, then. |
| 16:40.53 | xelam | rar |
| 16:40.59 | p30n | teh crappy |
| 16:40.59 | xelam | the package is called rar |
| 16:41.10 | p30n | its not |
| 16:41.13 | mwilson | p30n: Guess you won't be undoing those warez, huh? |
| 16:41.13 | p30n | same error with that |
| 16:41.13 | xelam | lies |
| 16:41.20 | p30n | mwilson: yea yea cmon |
| 16:41.25 | cahoot | p30n: think you need non-free sources or such |
| 16:41.27 | p30n | im in a rush =) |
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| 16:41.31 | p30n | k |
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| 16:41.42 | p30n | so i need to gogle up some sources then |
| 16:41.44 | mwilson | p30n: Matters not to be that you can't be a thief. |
| 16:41.47 | ircops | grouper... yum |
| 16:41.52 | antgel | p30n: hold on while we all rush so you don't have to |
| 16:42.01 | xelam | anyway, rar is proprietary which is why it's not there :P |
| 16:42.05 | xelam | I think it's in non-free |
| 16:42.15 | xelam | rar is Teh Suck :\ |
| 16:42.15 | Gijs` | Is there any update manager for Debian ? |
| 16:42.16 | p30n | hm |
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| 16:42.27 | imageek | update manager? |
| 16:42.28 | naraki | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=rar |
| 16:42.29 | dimir | p30n: you need to add 'non-free' to your repository |
| 16:42.29 | asg | Gijs`: apt-get, aptitude, synaptic |
| 16:42.30 | naraki | there |
| 16:42.30 | p30n | yea well ppl use rar sometimes to compress shit |
| 16:42.36 | mwilson | Gijs`: Define "update manager". |
| 16:42.41 | xelam | p30n: compress shit? |
| 16:42.41 | p30n | dimir: how do i do that ? |
| 16:42.46 | Gijs` | mwilson: Like ubuntu. |
| 16:42.46 | xelam | sounds missy |
| 16:42.47 | p30n | xelam: yea ? |
| 16:42.47 | mwilson | p30n: Warez, you mean. |
| 16:42.52 | xelam | *messy |
| 16:42.52 | naraki | p30n check the link |
| 16:42.57 | antgel | p30n: did you use it to compress the word people? |
| 16:43.00 | p30n | mwilson: u can compress other stuff than warez too with rar |
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| 16:43.08 | mwilson | !u |
| 16:43.08 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:43.08 | xelam | p30n: "you" |
| 16:43.13 | asg | p30n: people used it back in the BBS days because having doors to compress thousands of formats was cool. Now, it's only used for warez and porn. |
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| 16:43.18 | naraki | hey wilson u use it for other things to so get off yer high horse |
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| 16:43.37 | dimir | p3o: open /etc/apt/sources.list and add 'non-free' to the main section, so it looks like: 'deb <url> <version> main non-free' |
| 16:43.41 | mwilson | naraki: *I* don't use it for anything at all. Don't make assumptions. |
| 16:43.47 | xelam | rar is very rarely used for anything except warez ;P |
| 16:43.49 | antgel | why is it used so much for those two things? |
| 16:43.51 | cahoot | as you do? |
| 16:43.52 | dimir | p30n too |
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| 16:44.06 | xelam | antgel: because it supports splitting |
| 16:44.08 | naraki | learn to read goof I said its used for other things than warez ] |
| 16:44.13 | antgel | xelam: aha |
| 16:44.16 | xelam | and peolpe like to split their warez downloads |
| 16:44.18 | dimir | p30n: after that save the file and run 'apt-get update' |
| 16:44.22 | p30n | k |
| 16:44.25 | mwilson | naraki: No, actually, you didn't. |
| 16:44.30 | asg | xelam: or split them to post on Usenet |
| 16:44.37 | xelam | yes |
| 16:44.41 | dimir | p30n: but I'm warning you, RMS will not be proud of you! |
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| 16:44.58 | p30n | RMS? |
| 16:44.59 | antgel | p30n: why don't you just close your eyes and think of mariah's fake tits? |
| 16:45.00 | asg | dimir: he's not proud of any of us |
| 16:45.09 | p30n | mariah who ? |
| 16:45.25 | dimir | vl@dimirs:~$ vrms |
| 16:45.27 | dimir | No non-free packages installed on dimirs! rms would be proud. |
| 16:45.27 | dimir | !!!!! |
| 16:45.27 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 16:45.39 | antgel | p30n: you don't know rms, you don't know mariah. what planet to you live on? |
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| 16:45.47 | ansong | has anyone here used ntfsclone? |
| 16:45.59 | antgel | !tell ansong about anyone |
| 16:46.01 | p30n | antgel: im not .us |
| 16:46.12 | antgel | p30n: nor am i, so what? |
| 16:46.12 | pngwn | more lb |
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| 16:46.19 | pngwn | more lb |
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| 16:46.31 | p30n | antgel: dunno, i just dont know mariah or rmw |
| 16:46.33 | p30n | rms |
| 16:46.35 | pngwn | geezus ;) |
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| 16:46.41 | naraki | rms is a band |
| 16:46.52 | antgel | mariah is a female pariah |
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| 16:46.55 | ansong | antgel, very well: what is your experience with ntfsclone? does it compare favorably with symantec's ghost? |
| 16:47.03 | p30n | rms is what band ? |
| 16:47.04 | azeem | p30n: rms is Richard M. Stallman the founder of the GNU project |
| 16:47.07 | p30n | k |
| 16:47.13 | p30n | i think it sounded familiar |
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| 16:47.19 | p30n | im no unix geek, yet |
| 16:47.35 | master_of_master | hi, what packages do I need for an ISDN "dial in" server? |
| 16:47.35 | asg | the way you're going, you'll be running Windows again within weeks |
| 16:47.42 | antgel | p30n: anyway, what pr0n you got? |
| 16:47.44 | antgel | asg: heh |
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| 16:48.14 | p30n | antgel: gh3y pr0n what do u think? |
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| 16:49.12 | xelam | p30n: cool |
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| 16:49.50 | antgel | p30n: whatever floats your boat |
| 16:50.08 | antgel | p30n: in that case, close your eyes and think of bill clinton's cock |
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| 16:50.15 | karsten | christianp |
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| 16:50.21 | karsten | feh. |
| 16:50.22 | naraki | chokes to |
| 16:50.35 | Glanzmann | Hi; When I use http://people.debian.org/~nobse/ xorg for sarge; is there a meta package which installs everything needed? |
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| 16:51.21 | sgeigerbot | Glanzmann: I believe you want: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 16:51.22 | Blaaman1 | In which package do I find the "play" command ? |
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| 16:51.45 | antgel | Blaaman1: you find the apt-file command which means that you don't ask that question :) |
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| 16:52.30 | sgeigerbot | Blaaman1: sox |
| 16:52.35 | rosco | hi |
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| 16:52.44 | seb- | hi |
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| 16:52.48 | Blaaman1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.52 | sgeigerbot | Blaaman1: packages.debian.org could tell you that sort of thing, btw. |
| 16:52.55 | poonj | hey guys |
| 16:53.02 | sgeigerbot | poon! |
| 16:53.05 | poonj | is there a version of scp that would allow me to do resume? |
| 16:53.13 | sgeigerbot | poon: sftp |
| 16:53.16 | brynjarh | Does my text show up all messed up or is it clean? |
| 16:53.20 | poonj | oaky |
| 16:53.21 | poonj | thanks |
| 16:53.29 | xelam | brynjarh: yes |
| 16:53.35 | sgeigerbot | brynjarh: clean |
| 16:53.42 | Gnea | brynjarh: looks clean here |
| 16:53.44 | asg | brynjarh: it isn't dirty at the moment |
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| 16:53.48 | naraki | clean |
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| 16:53.54 | Blaaman1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.01 | Mach | oi, estou com uma dúvida |
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| 16:54.07 | asg | !br |
| 16:54.07 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:54.09 | asg | Mach: ^^^ |
| 16:54.14 | Mach | no debian existe o ppp |
| 16:54.14 | Glanzmann | spdf: Thanks, I already did that. |
| 16:54.15 | brynjarh | xelam, sgeigerbot, Gnea, asg: okay thanks :) |
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| 16:54.18 | Gnea | sgeigerbot: hey hey |
| 16:54.19 | sgeigerbot | (sp) |
| 16:54.23 | Gnea | np |
| 16:54.29 | Mach | existe um ppp geral, de todos os linux? |
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| 16:54.38 | Mach | os cada distribuição tem seu ppp |
| 16:54.38 | sgeigerbot | geral? |
| 16:54.38 | Mach | ? |
| 16:54.40 | xelam | Mach: Speak English |
| 16:54.45 | Mach | yes |
| 16:54.46 | Gnea | !tell mach about debian-es |
| 16:54.47 | Mach | ok |
| 16:54.47 | asg | Mach: yes but we don't speak portuguese here. /join #debian-br |
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| 16:54.55 | Gnea | !tell mach about debian-br |
| 16:55.02 | xelam | surely should be #debian-pt :P |
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| 16:55.16 | Gnea | xelam: then make it so. |
| 16:55.21 | rosco | My domain is hosted by a provider and I would like to host the www of this domain myself. Would "http-equiv redirect:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" with a redirect toward my hosted www work ? without showing numerical address but dns name instead ? |
| 16:55.26 | Mach | Is there some general ppp package ? or eash distribution has your own package? |
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| 16:55.55 | Mach | For example, I have found a bug. |
| 16:56.06 | Glanzmann | sgeigerbot: Thanks, I did that, but something seems to be missing. |
| 16:56.06 | Mach | The bug is only for debian or for several distributions? |
| 16:56.09 | Gnea | Mach: it depends what you want to do - dialup has several to choose from, while pppoe for dsl |
| 16:56.18 | asg | Mach: it depends, check the bts (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 16:56.23 | Gnea | Mach: what's the bug? |
| 16:56.28 | dipnlik | whenever I run aptitude, for some reason it tries to uninstall a lot of packages it thinks are not used anymore, but it gives a lot of errors and also there are some packages i don't want it to remove. how can I fix this? |
| 16:56.53 | mwilson | Don't use aptitude. |
| 16:56.57 | sgeigerbot | Glanzmann: did what? |
| 16:56.58 | rosco | omg...wrong channel |
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| 16:57.01 | azeem | mwilson: why not? |
| 16:57.14 | Mach | The ppp expects only interfaces named eth*. So, when you use wlan0 to connect to a pppoe provider, you have problems. "pppoe plugin can't connect" |
| 16:57.29 | Mach | I don't remember the exact error. |
| 16:57.30 | mwilson | azeem: He asked how to fix it. The problem is simple, the answer equally so. |
| 16:57.37 | Gnea | rosco: heh |
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| 16:57.48 | Mach | You should use the prefix nic- to solve this problem. |
| 16:57.50 | dipnlik | mwilson: that doesn't solve my actual problems, i think |
| 16:57.57 | Mach | It was alread solved. |
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| 16:58.39 | Mach | But, I related this problem for manteiners of ppp and pppoeconf packages. |
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| 16:58.57 | mwilson | dipnlik: Aptitude has fundamental bugs that, as yet, the maintainer isn't interested in fixing. |
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| 16:59.01 | Mach | These packages has been used for others distribuions? |
| 16:59.19 | Mach | How linux system are organized? Each distribution has your own ppp package? |
| 16:59.22 | dipnlik | mwilson: hm, ok. what should I use instead of aptitude? apt-get? |
| 16:59.34 | asg | Mach: yes but the proper manner for submitting bug reports on Debian is to use the bts. The maintainer may then forward the report upstream if it is necessary. |
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| 17:00.36 | Mach | Ok. Is there some oficial site of package ppp ou pppoeconf independent of linux distribution? |
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| 17:01.07 | mwilson | dipnlik: If you like. |
| 17:01.23 | asg | Mach: /usr/share/doc/<pkg> should provide information on where upstream is located. |
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| 17:02.04 | dorto | finally connected to internet through my wireless card!! |
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| 17:03.15 | belleke | hello i installed the base of debian and i want to install icewm what is the fastest way to do this? |
| 17:03.28 | fbi | belleke: apt-get install icewm |
| 17:03.29 | asg | belleke: apt-get install icewm |
| 17:03.35 | fbi | HAH! beat you |
| 17:03.40 | fbi | you owe me a lager |
| 17:03.41 | dorto | lol |
| 17:03.44 | asg | !beer fbi |
| 17:03.51 | dorto | !lager |
| 17:04.00 | dorto | i beat pdkg |
| 17:04.03 | belleke | yes i know buth will it install xfree ass well? |
| 17:04.08 | fbi | oh |
| 17:04.12 | asg | fbi: it's probably due to the fact that I have had a few lagers that you beat me however ;P |
| 17:04.12 | fbi | yeah, you ned x windows too |
| 17:04.22 | asg | belleke: no, install x-window-system-core |
| 17:04.24 | fbi | s/ned/need/ |
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| 17:04.33 | fbi | asg: drinkinng already? |
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| 17:04.47 | asg | fbi: of course |
| 17:05.09 | dorto | which is the best mp3 player for debian? |
| 17:05.11 | belleke | so apt-get install x-windows-system-core , then apt-get install icewm |
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| 17:05.19 | antgel | !tell dorto about best |
| 17:05.26 | PerfDave | Hi, I've got a Debian box I want to use as a wireless router. I don't want to use NAT; my box listens on 192.168.20.253 (wireless) and 192.168.7.17 (wired); I want it to act as a gateway to clients on the wireless network, and push traffic to its wired gateway, 192.168.7.1. Any advice on where to start? |
| 17:05.26 | asg | belleke: or just apt-get install x-window-system-core icewem |
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| 17:05.40 | fbi | belleke: you can install more than one package at a time |
| 17:05.47 | asg | PerfDave: lartc.org is probably worth looking at. |
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| 17:05.55 | dorto | 'most popular' or 'your favourite' and then i can see votes |
| 17:06.21 | belleke | ok thanks allot! |
| 17:06.24 | args | Anyone know how I might get the trackpad on my new iBook working? (Works fine in OS X of course) |
| 17:06.29 | asg | dorto: mpg321 |
| 17:06.29 | fbi | dorto: xmms when inside X, mpg123 when not. |
| 17:06.30 | antgel | !tell dorto about polls |
| 17:06.37 | dorto | ok |
| 17:06.55 | fbi | for some reason mplayer crashes on my box when i try and play a huge directory |
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| 17:06.58 | dorto | lol, i am not polling >_> |
| 17:06.59 | fbi | but mpg123 doesn't |
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| 17:07.16 | dorto | will go withxmms |
| 17:07.17 | mwilson | args: Why wouldn't you run OS X on a Mac? |
| 17:07.26 | asg | dorto: 13:07 < dorto> which is the best mp3 player for debian? (classic poll) |
| 17:07.39 | Yoe | mwilson: because Debian has a higher coolness factor? |
| 17:07.47 | antgel | < dorto> 'most popular' or 'your favourite' and then i can see votes (poll city) |
| 17:07.54 | Daffy-PKF | what kernel-image should i use for an amd 64 bits? |
| 17:08.00 | args | mwilson: I'm running both. |
| 17:08.09 | dorto | if someone asks me such question for general gnu/linux systems, i would say xmms |
| 17:08.11 | asg | Daffy-PKF: #debian-amd64 is probably a better place to ask that question. |
| 17:08.22 | Daffy-PKF | asg> yep |
| 17:08.37 | dorto | becos i don't see much competition in mp3 players for systems like fedora/mandrake... |
| 17:08.37 | PerfDave | asg: Cheers, I forgot about lartc :) |
| 17:08.44 | asg | PerfDave: :) you're welcome |
| 17:08.45 | ykcorse | hey, i finilly got direct rendering working... what cool games are in debian repositories? |
| 17:08.48 | args | Yoe: I dunno about that :) |
| 17:08.50 | antgel | Daffy-PKF: you can use the k7 one if you're not running debian amd64 |
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| 17:09.00 | Yoe | args: I do :-P |
| 17:09.06 | antgel | ykcorse: how about you have a look using aptitude? |
| 17:09.22 | dorto | the intention was to go with the choice of the majority and not to acquire any statistical knowledge |
| 17:09.36 | args | Yoe: Did you have to do any fiddling to get the trackpad to work? |
| 17:09.38 | ykcorse | i've already done that... a lot of names |
| 17:09.47 | Yoe | args: depends on what you define as 'fiddling' |
| 17:09.48 | ykcorse | i just wanna know what you think |
| 17:09.54 | fbi | dorto it doesn't take long to try them _all_ and decide for yourself |
| 17:09.57 | Yoe | args: it mostly works out of the box, IME. |
| 17:10.14 | dorto | define 'long' :D |
| 17:10.27 | MoRLoCh | dorto: if you try some mp3 players, and if you happen to run kde, try also amarok |
| 17:10.27 | fbi | on boradband? a few minutes |
| 17:10.31 | cahoot | dort: http://popcon.debian.org/main/index.html |
| 17:10.31 | fbi | errr |
| 17:10.31 | xoz | args: google has the answer |
| 17:10.33 | fbi | broadband |
| 17:10.38 | fbi | damn non-natural keyboard |
| 17:10.45 | dorto | ok |
| 17:11.01 | dorto | is there a way to download the testing version of debian (etch) DVD iso files through http? |
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| 17:11.03 | args | xoz: Been looking. Found a few things, but nothing particularly useful. |
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| 17:11.22 | antgel | dorto: no |
| 17:11.31 | dorto | so only jigdo way? |
| 17:11.39 | dorto | or ftp or sth like that? |
| 17:11.39 | MoRLoCh | dorto: IIRC only the cds, but they are weekly snapshots (IIRC again) |
| 17:11.41 | args | xoz: One thing that's throwing me is that I'm used to the old XFree86 config file which I see has been changed |
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| 17:11.49 | antgel | dorto: torrent. /topic |
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| 17:11.58 | dorto | torrent is blocked:( |
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| 17:12.27 | antgel | dorto: if you're new to debian, you don't want testing anyway |
| 17:12.32 | zinx | do you have a fast http/ftp-capable connection on the computer you're installing it to? |
| 17:12.43 | dorto | i want to use that on my desktop machine |
| 17:12.55 | dorto | i could install the latest software then |
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| 17:13.00 | antgel | dorto: did you read what i wrote? |
| 17:13.03 | Quinn_Storm | hey, quick question, does anyone know what debian kde package I need to get kdetrayproxy working? I'm using a mix of kde and gtk apps under ion3, and using trayer (for lack of a better program) to handle systray icons, and apparently I need kdetrayproxy to fix it. |
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| 17:13.25 | dorto | about being new to debian etc? yes |
| 17:13.27 | asg | Quinn_Storm: #debian-kde might know if nobody here does |
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| 17:13.48 | antgel | Quinn_Storm: did apt-file search not tell you? |
| 17:13.55 | antgel | dorto: and are you new to debian? |
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| 17:13.59 | dorto | yes |
| 17:14.04 | Quinn_Storm | antgel: I don't think its called "kdetrayproxy" anymore...like its subsumed into something else |
| 17:14.09 | antgel | dorto: and you still think you want testing? |
| 17:14.11 | SmalleyeS | here a help about bots ? |
| 17:14.16 | dorto | yes |
| 17:14.20 | dorto | just to test it out |
| 17:14.20 | asg | SmalleyeS: /msg dpkg htlp |
| 17:14.20 | MoRLoCh | hehe |
| 17:14.24 | asg | SmalleyeS: /msg dpkg help (rather) |
| 17:14.30 | dorto | i would like to install the latest software |
| 17:14.43 | dorto | like c++ libs, docs etc |
| 17:14.46 | antgel | dorto: who told you testing contains the latest software? |
| 17:15.15 | dorto | i was told libstdc++doc6.4 is not directly installable in sarge |
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| 17:15.20 | SmalleyeS | <asg> what says |
| 17:15.24 | SmalleyeS | <asg> he is open pvt |
| 17:15.27 | dorto | i should install 6.0 or go for etch |
| 17:15.31 | antgel | dorto: you really need to do your research. testing and unstable break. if you come here moaning that you hosed your system, don't expect support |
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| 17:15.38 | dorto | nope |
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| 17:15.48 | dorto | i won't mind if it crashes 10 times a day |
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| 17:15.59 | antgel | dorto: if you really need that stuff and are new, perhaps ubuntu would be a better fit |
| 17:16.03 | dorto | i used mandrake for the same purpose |
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| 17:16.08 | antgel | dorto: *nod* |
| 17:16.10 | SmalleyeS | <dpkg> no help on (rather). Use 'help' without arguments. |
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| 17:16.18 | fbi | wtf. |
| 17:16.22 | brusso | hellao all |
| 17:16.22 | dorto | ubuntu is said to be such a small distribution |
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| 17:16.37 | brusso | M apache server don't run files .PL |
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| 17:16.39 | fbi | SmalleyeS: /msg dpkg help |
| 17:16.40 | antgel | dorto: so what? you seem to have big requirements for no reason |
| 17:16.42 | dorto | and i will miss apt-get ;) |
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| 17:16.44 | fbi | (no rather) |
| 17:16.51 | mwilson | dorto: By whom? |
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| 17:17.14 | antgel | dorto: i suggest that you get your information from project documentation, not script kiddies etc :) |
| 17:17.19 | stew | dorto: in what way is ubuntu small? |
| 17:17.20 | dorto | big requirement? i want to see how the latest version of debian looks, what soft is installed by default in that version, what's wrong in that? |
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| 17:17.35 | dorto | i am not new to gnu/linux |
| 17:17.37 | Belboz99 | hey all, I've got a software running as a dameon, what's the best method of ending that process? |
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| 17:17.45 | dorto | you make me look like a kid |
| 17:17.50 | mwilson | dorto: Of course you are. It's obvious. |
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| 17:17.57 | nkuttler | Belboz99: /etc/init.d/foo stop |
| 17:17.59 | dorto | lol, nice channel this |
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| 17:18.07 | Jimmy-HPC | does anyone here use maya 6.5 on debian |
| 17:18.09 | Belboz99 | thanks nkuttleer |
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| 17:18.15 | antgel | dorto: nothing is wrong except that you are new to debian. you think that testing contains the latest versions of software. but if you don't mind breakage, go for it |
| 17:18.18 | dorto | requests the new users to be polite and the regulars.... |
| 17:18.20 | Gnea | dorto: act like a kid, get treated like one :) |
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| 17:18.37 | dorto | you want to think that all others are kids |
| 17:18.39 | brynjarh | GNOME/Debian Stable: To use ESD I click Application>Desktop Preferences>Advanced>Multimedia System Selector and select ESD in Default Sink right? I can only choose that if I have installed gstreamer0.8-esd. But when I click "Test" I get "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'". I think that's because ESD isn't running, how to I start it and how do I configure my system so that it will start by default? (maybe it do |
| 17:18.44 | asg | dorto: the regulars are almost all gone |
| 17:18.47 | SmalleyeS | how to help in bots ? |
| 17:18.50 | user12 | what do I need compiled into the kernel to get usb-audio to work? I have a very minimal kernel setup and believe I have all of the alsa stuff OK - |
| 17:18.53 | fbi | SmalleyeS: /msg dpkg help |
| 17:19.06 | SmalleyeS | yeah |
| 17:19.06 | dorto | so its free 'mock at others' time now? ;) |
| 17:19.07 | SmalleyeS | i know |
| 17:19.10 | magnus__ | Is it possible to access a PPTP server inside NAT from outside through a Linux router/gateway? |
| 17:19.13 | SmalleyeS | <fbi> he says massage |
| 17:19.14 | antgel | dorto: get the chip off your shoulder. millions of people come in here who should be running stable, asking for help about problems that were totally avoidable. you should be grateful for the good advice you get in here. |
| 17:19.14 | user12 | have usb-audio support in there - it may just not be finding the usb jacks? |
| 17:19.15 | Gnea | JaneLame: that's nice. |
| 17:19.16 | mwilson | user12: Why did you build your own kernel? |
| 17:19.19 | fbi | SmalleyeS: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:19.19 | SmalleyeS | <fbi> bot i dont understand :( |
| 17:19.25 | fbi | you need to register first |
| 17:19.29 | JaneLame | Gnea - how is that nice |
| 17:19.35 | stew | dorto: very little is installed by debian by default. only stuff considered essential. |
| 17:19.38 | dorto | and i am more than grateful for all the help i got here |
| 17:19.40 | Gnea | JaneLame: i don't know, you tell me. |
| 17:19.42 | user12 | wilson - for finalscratch application - needs custom kernel - sarge standard loads the usb audio fine |
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| 17:19.48 | antgel | !beer JaneLame |
| 17:19.55 | dorto | but i did not ask anyone to solve my problems with the test version too |
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| 17:20.06 | mwilson | user12: Then use the normal kernel. |
| 17:20.06 | dorto | nor am i demanding any help for the stable version |
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| 17:20.13 | SmalleyeS | i dont understand any something |
| 17:20.14 | SmalleyeS | :( |
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| 17:20.18 | antgel | dorto: we don't know that. better to pre-empt problems before they turn up |
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| 17:20.26 | fbi | SmalleyeS: what is your native language |
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| 17:20.28 | dorto | i installed debian from 2 DVDs and that was loads of software |
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| 17:20.33 | Gnea | dorto: we mock each other, so it's fine. |
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| 17:20.34 | Jimmy-HPC | dpkg is a piymp |
| 17:20.36 | dorto | you may be talking about the base-system install |
| 17:20.43 | SmalleyeS | <fbi> engilsh |
| 17:20.52 | antgel | dorto: but i can see that you have read no debian documentation whatsoever |
| 17:20.52 | fbi | ehm. |
| 17:20.59 | dorto | its fine mocking with me too :) |
| 17:21.01 | SmalleyeS | <fbi> arabic |
| 17:21.05 | dorto | why? |
| 17:21.09 | SmalleyeS | <fbi> but i can talk engislh |
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| 17:21.14 | takatumi | antgel: yada yada |
| 17:21.16 | SmalleyeS | <fbi> i wanna help for bots gt |
| 17:21.20 | user12 | mwilson - this program "finalscratch" will not run on a normal kernel properly - needs a performance based minimal kernel install or will get glitchy with the audio - I am customizing my kernel to be as close to the factory "finalscratch - debian kernel" |
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| 17:21.34 | dorto | why should someone be so autoritative regarding someone's wish to check out the etch version? |
| 17:21.35 | Belboz99 | nkuttler, I'm gettting more of them, they aren't stopping |
| 17:21.39 | fbi | SmalleyeS: i have no idea what you are asking, sorry. |
| 17:21.41 | Jimmy-HPC | anyone used maya 6.5 on debian.. anyone, cus if I can't solve this Gentoo is replacing it!!! |
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| 17:21.43 | antgel | dorto: because you would know that testing doesn't contain the latest version |
| 17:21.50 | SmalleyeS | ok thanks |
| 17:21.50 | SmalleyeS | :( |
| 17:21.52 | SmalleyeS | sorry |
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| 17:21.54 | SmalleyeS | bye bye all |
| 17:22.00 | Belboz99 | it's a small script called go, I've got it in init.d |
| 17:22.01 | dipnlik | how do i make a command repeat ad infinitum? |
| 17:22.03 | xoz | dorto: because he thinks he is smart |
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| 17:22.11 | Belboz99 | I need to stop these processes |
| 17:22.21 | nkuttler | Belboz99: which ones? |
| 17:22.23 | antgel | dorto: the chip on your shoulder is heavy. i'm not being authoratitive. i gave you some good advice which you didn't like as it showed up the fact that you haven't read up on it |
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| 17:22.26 | dorto | etch does indeed contain lots of packages that are more recent than the ones that are contained in sarge. right or wrong? |
| 17:22.27 | user12 | mwilson - had this running on the 2.4.20 kernel with usb-audio modules from alsa - worked fine - not sure how to configure the 2.6 kernel to get usb-audio up the same way though |
| 17:22.31 | Gnea | dorto: not sure what your problem with someone elses perception is when you should just be concerned with your own - just state the problem with etch and if someone knows it, then they will respond |
| 17:22.34 | EdibleText | magnus__, shouldnt be a problem, unless protocol 47 (gre) is filtered |
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| 17:22.43 | bob2 | dorto: indeed |
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| 17:22.55 | Belboz99 | nkuttler, the script in init.d is called go, I need to stop all processes started by that script |
| 17:23.02 | dipnlik | like repeating a "du filename" infinitely to monitor a download? |
| 17:23.06 | Belboz99 | I've got three of them right now |
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| 17:23.14 | antgel | dipnlik: man watch |
| 17:23.15 | xoz | dorto: you can ignore him. there are other people here who can help you... |
| 17:23.22 | nkuttler | Belboz99: /etc/init.d/go stop... which package does it belong to? |
| 17:23.23 | dorto | ok thx |
| 17:23.24 | cahoot | user12: snd-usb-audio in the alsa section suffices for my usb headset |
| 17:23.46 | dorto | i will try to download it using jindo then |
| 17:23.50 | Belboz99 | it starts FAH502-Linux.exe |
| 17:23.53 | dipnlik | antgel: thanks! |
| 17:23.56 | molsen | When making a deb package, how do i avoid including "/." in the first line of /var/lib/dpkg/<package-name>.list? |
| 17:23.56 | dorto | that's tomorrow |
| 17:23.59 | magnus__ | EdibleText: does one have to do anything special other than forward port 1723 from the external interface to the server on the LAN? |
| 17:24.11 | dorto | bed time now/ bye |
| 17:24.13 | antgel | dorto: you can also install sarge and upgrade to testing or unstable |
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| 17:24.25 | Belboz99 | I've got three processes called FAH502-Linux.exe going nkuttler |
| 17:24.33 | Belboz99 | I need them all killed |
| 17:24.41 | Belboz99 | but temporarily |
| 17:24.43 | nkuttler | Belboz99: you didn't answer my question. man kill |
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| 17:24.52 | bob2 | molsen: why? |
| 17:24.55 | MoRLoCh | Belboz99: did you try something like killall -9 FAH502-Linux.exe |
| 17:25.04 | dorto | i don't install from internet; slow connection :'( |
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| 17:25.24 | Belboz99 | thanks MoRLoCh |
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| 17:25.29 | dorto | thx all |
| 17:25.30 | Glanzmann | Is there an unofficial debian package for the new and improved acroread? |
| 17:25.30 | Belboz99 | that did it :) |
| 17:25.32 | molsen | bob2, when i try to remove the package i made, i get an error saying it can't remove "/."! |
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| 17:25.55 | bob2 | molsen: head -n1 /var/lib/dpkg/info/coreutils.list |
| 17:26.01 | EdibleText | magnus__, it should work.Like I said if protocol 47 is filtered by the CPE or your equipment then pptp will not work. |
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| 17:26.05 | bob2 | molsen: most if not all packages seems to have that |
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| 17:26.29 | MoRLoCh | Glanzmann: being unofficial... :) try http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 17:26.31 | EdibleText | work/connect |
| 17:26.32 | molsen | bob2, yeah your right! but thanks anyway! |
| 17:26.35 | dipnlik | how do i enable completion in apt-get? |
| 17:26.41 | dipnlik | tab completion* |
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| 17:26.55 | antgel | dipnlik: uncomment relevant lines in ~/.bashrc |
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| 17:27.12 | be0wulf__ | any1 who uses dirvish..got the problem that dirvish uses ssh to connect to localhost |
| 17:27.14 | magnus__ | edible: I have not put any filters. If I have a default debian installation, do I have to remove any filters in place in default debian installation? |
| 17:27.20 | xoz | dipnlik: or in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 17:27.20 | magnus__ | EdibleText: ^ |
| 17:27.22 | nkuttler | dipnlik: /usr/share/doc/bash/README.bash_completion.gz |
| 17:27.25 | EdibleText | dipnlik, you could try 'dselect' |
| 17:27.25 | xoz | dipnlik: global |
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| 17:27.27 | be0wulf__ | what can i do to turn this off |
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| 17:28.09 | EdibleText | magnus__, well then you should just try it. |
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| 17:29.05 | eTazZ | hello |
| 17:29.06 | magnus__ | EdibleText: ok |
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| 17:29.15 | error403 | Before i bother to buy another monitor, i was wondering, is it relatively easy to set up a dual-monitor setup in xorg? |
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| 17:29.43 | xoz | error403: what's your card? |
| 17:30.07 | bob2 | error403: xinerama is pretty easy if you're comfortable editing your X config |
| 17:30.21 | antgel | asg: it's true, lot of people not around. where's greycat? did the profanity police send him to jail? |
| 17:30.22 | error403 | xoz, going to have a PCI-express nvidia geforce 6600GT |
| 17:30.25 | mwilson | error403: Not hard... either a second card or a card supporting dual monitors is required. |
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| 17:30.47 | asg | antgel: I don't have full logs, I don't know. He's in #debian-offtopic now |
| 17:30.51 | error403 | I know that config editing is necessary - just wondering how easy.... |
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| 17:31.24 | antgel | error403: how about looking on the world-wide web for examples? |
| 17:31.26 | error403 | because from what i have read, dual-monitors doesnt work out-the-box |
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| 17:31.54 | error403 | antgel, i have been, but i most i found werent quite what i was after |
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| 17:31.58 | error403 | but ill keep looking |
| 17:32.27 | xoz | error403: my matrox works well. just a matter of configuration... adding options for xinerama... and making sure the relevant module for your card is loaded. |
| 17:32.53 | abrotman | ow! |
| 17:32.54 | antgel | abrotman: cheese sandwich |
| 17:33.03 | abrotman | why are grown men always poking me? |
| 17:33.14 | asg | abrotman: sorry, was going back to BASIC there |
| 17:33.16 | be0wulf__ | how do i backup locally with dirvish? |
| 17:33.17 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:33.23 | antgel | !drumroll asg |
| 17:33.23 | jjazz | Is there a channel for open office calc? |
| 17:33.29 | bob2 | abrotman: they saw your sexy umbrella hat |
| 17:33.30 | asg | jjazz: #debian-oo |
| 17:33.34 | bob2 | abrotman: who could resist you? |
| 17:33.34 | jjazz | asg, That joke was so bad, it hurt. |
| 17:33.40 | abrotman | bob2: i blame damog! |
| 17:33.42 | asg | jjazz: couldn't help it |
| 17:33.58 | asg | antgel: s/drumroll/rimshot/ |
| 17:34.13 | xoz | !sing abrotman |
| 17:34.13 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 17:34.22 | abrotman | bob2: he actually had that sent to me in the mail ... i got a suspicious package in the mail from Tennessee from a man with a middle-eastern-sounding-name that i didn't know |
| 17:34.43 | antgel | did someone just trigger the drury lane factoid? |
| 17:34.49 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 17:34.49 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 17:34.56 | bob2 | abrotman: haha |
| 17:35.02 | asg | antgel: xoz, who you plonked sometime earlier |
| 17:35.06 | abrotman | bob2: he bought it off ebay or something |
| 17:35.11 | antgel | doh |
| 17:35.33 | abrotman | bob2: so i at least owed damog a picture of me wearing it |
| 17:35.44 | nono31 | is there a prevision on when 2.6.13 will be available in sid? |
| 17:35.46 | be0wulf__ | it actually works |
| 17:35.48 | be0wulf__ | can't believe |
| 17:35.49 | bob2 | should I be ashamed of actually wanting one? |
| 17:35.56 | asg | bob2: no, they are useful |
| 17:35.56 | abrotman | bob2: the umbrella? |
| 17:36.00 | be0wulf__ | yes bob2 i agree |
| 17:36.07 | Rawplayer | fs/nfs/nfs4xdr.c: In function `decode_lock_denied': |
| 17:36.07 | Rawplayer | fs/nfs/nfs4xdr.c:2884: internal compiler error: Floating point exception |
| 17:36.07 | Rawplayer | Please submit a full bug report, |
| 17:36.07 | Rawplayer | with preprocessed source if appropriate. |
| 17:36.07 | Rawplayer | See <URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions. |
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| 17:36.07 | asg | bob2: provided you don't get the frilly colored one abrotman had |
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| 17:36.17 | Rawplayer | does that look familair to anyone? |
| 17:36.19 | abrotman | asg: i didn't pick it .. he bought it and sent it to me |
| 17:36.23 | asg | hah |
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| 17:36.24 | bob2 | Rawplayer: gcc crashed, file a bug on it |
| 17:36.27 | bob2 | asg: hah |
| 17:36.32 | abrotman | Rawplayer: yeah .. i've seen you kicked about 10 times for flooding .. looks familiar |
| 17:36.52 | asg | abrotman: that's different. |
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| 17:37.12 | abrotman | bob2: you can get those hats for like < 10$ on ebay |
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| 17:39.30 | lobao | loba~o |
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| 17:39.43 | lobao | jailton |
| 17:39.48 | abrotman | xoz: did you see the picutre? |
| 17:39.50 | abrotman | picture ? |
| 17:39.50 | asg | lobao: make sense? |
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| 17:40.12 | xoz | abrotman: awful |
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| 17:42.30 | asg | ~botsnack |
| 17:42.30 | apt | asg: aw, gee |
| 17:42.40 | sgeigerbot | ^botsnack |
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| 17:42.42 | abrotman | xoz: yeah yeah .. |
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| 17:45.05 | RvGaTe | hi @ all :) |
| 17:46.11 | sgeigerbot | RvGaTe: hi@all.:-) |
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| 17:46.35 | sgeigerbot | HELO@255.255.255.255.:-) |
| 17:47.01 | Fox_1_ | anyone have googleapi.jar? |
| 17:47.05 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: you need some caffeine :) |
| 17:47.14 | sgeigerbot | shingouz: exactly. |
| 17:47.30 | shingouz | go get it, man |
| 17:47.39 | Klowner_ | silly question time, x86 debian packages are compiled for 386 are they not? |
| 17:47.39 | xoz | or battery solution |
| 17:47.48 | sgeigerbot | shingouz: I'm drinking at the very moment. |
| 17:47.55 | sgeigerbot | Klowner_: yes |
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| 17:48.11 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: should be intravenously i think |
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| 17:49.03 | Klowner_ | sgeigerbot: would i benefit much by having everything compiled for at least pentium class cpus on my frumpy old slow laptop? |
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| 17:49.13 | shingouz | Klowner_: no |
| 17:49.35 | MoRLoCh | Klowner_: maybe just the kernel |
| 17:49.41 | jim | Klowner_: mostly, except a few here and there which have been found to benefit from specific handling |
| 17:49.59 | bob2 | Klowner_: no, i486 |
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| 17:50.26 | bob2 | Klowner_: recompiling things for pentiums is not likely to help very much in the general case (most software is not cpu-bound) |
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| 17:50.52 | poncho | Hello! |
| 17:51.02 | asg | Fox_1_: try ##java |
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| 17:51.31 | Fox_1_ | asg, really?????? |
| 17:51.45 | asg | Fox_1_: yes |
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| 17:52.18 | Klowner_ | alrighty, thanks for the answers guys |
| 17:52.49 | secher | !non-us |
| 17:52.49 | dpkg | hmm... non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
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| 17:53.31 | secher | !crypto |
| 17:53.31 | dpkg | Cryptographic software is classified as munitions (military weapons) under US export laws. This has changed a bit recently, but it's still legally problematic to export cryptographic software from inside the US. That's why the non-US (cryptographic) section of Debian is hosted on machines that are NOT physically or politically inside the US. Ask me about "non-US" or "non-US mirrors". |
| 17:53.34 | user12 | I am running the sarge 2.6 kernel on my hp ze4145 laptop. It appears that the system pauses for about .5 seconds every 10 seconds or so. This did not happen with the 2.4 kernel - anyone have any ideas - I notice this when moving the mouse or typeing |
| 17:53.43 | asg | secher: you can /msg the bot |
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| 17:53.52 | secher | sorry asg. |
| 17:54.04 | tarzeau | will gtk1.2 be released with etch? |
| 17:54.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's not ? |
| 17:54.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: wait .. how will we know??? |
| 17:54.28 | secher | so I can still get strong crypto if I'm inside the US, yes? |
| 17:54.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: ask .. #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org ? |
| 17:54.33 | azeem | tarzeau: it will |
| 17:54.37 | asg | secher: yes |
| 17:54.51 | azeem | tarzeau: gnome-1 is a different matter, depending on whether gnucash will transition till then |
| 17:54.53 | secher | asg: Thanks much. |
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| 17:55.12 | tarzeau | azeem: i've got a software package that can be built with gtk1 and gtk2, should i provide just two binary packages? |
| 17:55.15 | jim | so is there a non-us or not? |
| 17:55.21 | tarzeau | jim: there isn't |
| 17:55.27 | azeem | tarzeau: no, I'd go for gtk2 |
| 17:55.36 | jim | so the factoid needs updating I guess |
| 17:55.42 | azeem | except if it is broken or unstable on gtk2 |
| 17:55.51 | tarzeau | azeem: i'll do some testing, thanks |
| 17:55.54 | tarzeau | jim: go ahead |
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| 17:56.21 | jim | what's the current situation tho? |
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| 17:56.22 | asg | jim: it still exists for woody which is still supported |
| 17:56.30 | jim | oic |
| 17:56.34 | xoz | jim: /topic |
| 17:56.54 | jim | xoz: follow the conversation :) |
| 17:57.09 | mwilson | tarzeau: As long as there is GTK1 software in the archive, they can't drop GTK1, that idiotic thread on -devel notwithstanding. |
| 17:57.26 | tarzeau | mwilson: i wasn't refering to any thread at -devel |
| 17:57.51 | mwilson | tarzeau: Oh, I thought you were referring to that moronic mass0bug-filing threat. |
| 17:57.58 | jim | are the main debian mirrors outside the us now or how does that work? |
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| 17:58.28 | bob2 | jim: dude |
| 17:58.30 | bob2 | you're a DD |
| 17:58.38 | bob2 | do you really not know anything about crypto-in-main? |
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| 17:58.45 | bob2 | this happened 3 years ago |
| 17:58.45 | secher | anyone know where I can get a really cheap barebones system in teh Philly area? I want to build a Debian box for my 7 yr old daughter ( get them while they're young. <grin> ) but can't afford to drop a load of cash. |
| 17:59.00 | jim | yes I understand all that |
| 17:59.06 | asg | secher: ask abrotman, he might know |
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| 17:59.17 | abrotman | i know? |
| 17:59.19 | secher | abrotman: ideas? |
| 17:59.22 | abrotman | secher: me? :) |
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| 17:59.32 | GutterPunk | Hi |
| 17:59.38 | asg | abrotman: you are still in Philly |
| 17:59.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:59.42 | mwilson | jim: If you "understand all that", then why the question about the mirrors? |
| 17:59.46 | anigadol | the books is on the teble!!! |
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| 17:59.48 | abrotman | my company can build whitebox systems |
| 17:59.52 | shingouz | secher: never ask if abrotman has some ideas, they are disturbing is what i hear ;) |
| 17:59.55 | anigadol | the books is on the table!!! |
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| 18:00.00 | jim | what I'm asking is whether the mirrors have been rearranged such that all of debian originates from outside us |
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| 18:00.05 | abrotman | shingouz: don't make me sic wife2.0 on you! |
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| 18:00.11 | mwilson | jim: No... why would they be? |
| 18:00.14 | GutterPunk | Why doesn't X get automatically installed when I do an "apt-get install xfce4"? |
| 18:00.14 | shingouz | abrotman: EEEEK |
| 18:00.16 | RvGaTe | anyone knows the IRC channel of Notepad++? |
| 18:00.16 | Maulkin | jim: My undertsanding is that some odd laws wree passed, and we get to ask for permission each time we get a release or a new crypto software is added or soemthing |
| 18:00.24 | GutterPunk | I don't have startx commands etc.. |
| 18:00.29 | asg | GutterPunk: because it isn't necessary, only recommended |
| 18:00.31 | cureless | GutterPunk: 'cause it's not needed. |
| 18:00.33 | mwilson | GutterPunk: Because the one does not require the other, of course. |
| 18:00.35 | asg | GutterPunk: install x-window-system |
| 18:00.38 | abrotman | secher: what town are you in again? |
| 18:00.41 | RvGaTe | abrotman ! :) |
| 18:00.44 | cureless | GutterPunk: you could run xfce4 remotely |
| 18:00.47 | abrotman | RvGaTe: ? |
| 18:00.50 | GutterPunk | Well, how do I run this then? |
| 18:00.52 | GutterPunk | Oh... |
| 18:01.01 | cureless | GutterPunk: x-window-system-core or just x-window-system |
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| 18:01.11 | jim | mwilson: in case bush or someone decides to get it changed back |
| 18:01.12 | secher | abrotman: yes, you. need a cheap barebones system for Katelyn, she saw an XP add in a rag with dragons and fairies etc, and said Daddy, see what you get with windows? I almost had an anuerism, so I need to cull something together quickly. |
| 18:01.12 | GutterPunk | Thanks! |
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| 18:01.30 | abrotman | secher: but you want a whitebox ? |
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| 18:02.07 | asg | abrotman: he can always get dragon and fairy stickers |
| 18:02.08 | secher | abrotman: I have all of the components save a mobo, box and CPU. |
| 18:02.14 | mwilson | jim: Let's see... they didn't move them before, with much more draconian restrictions... now that the restrictions are EASED, why OF COURSE we should move them! |
| 18:02.33 | abrotman | secher: well .. i know you can buy those at bestbuy,compusa,Keytron |
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| 18:02.45 | abrotman | secher: compusa as a decent enough selection ... |
| 18:02.51 | zinx | bahaha |
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| 18:02.56 | root_ | echo $ip |
| 18:03.01 | zinx | compusa here has never had anything i wanted, period |
| 18:03.15 | zinx | and they've always been way overpriced for the things i didn't want :P |
| 18:03.17 | abrotman | zinx: dunno .. they have amd/intel stuff .. lian-li cases .. |
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| 18:03.46 | abrotman | it comes int eh same box you get when you get it at cdw .. wtf is the difference? |
| 18:03.50 | abrotman | (besides price) |
| 18:03.50 | asg | secher: you can bet cheap barebones setups from tiger direct. |
| 18:03.58 | jim | mwilson: they had the non-us thing when the restrictions were tighter... what's to prevent US from bringing the restrictions back? |
| 18:04.02 | puff | Afternoon. A box has a from-source scponly build; I wish to replace it with an apt'ed scponly. |
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| 18:04.11 | mwilson | jim: Nothing. |
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| 18:04.13 | abrotman | secher: how long can you wait ? |
| 18:04.17 | mwilson | jim: Your point being? |
| 18:04.18 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.21 | GutterPunk | I'm very new to debian (used to Slackware & Gentoo mainly), and I was just wondering... Is it possible to uninstall an application & automatically uninstall it's dependencies as well? XFCE4 pulled 60 packages... How can I revert this? |
| 18:04.26 | puff | PRoblem is, we have customers using these scponly accounts to upload files to us on a regular basis. |
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| 18:04.31 | abrotman | secher: you're in n-town or p-ville ? |
| 18:04.31 | bob2 | GutterPunk: if you used aptitude, yes |
| 18:04.35 | asg | GutterPunk: it can if you use aptitude |
| 18:04.37 | secher | abrotman: Oh, yeah, Keytron is around here, I forgot, and I'm politically against CompUSA. I'll just hit the yellow pages, it doesn't have to be fast. Ok, thanks all. |
| 18:04.40 | bob2 | GutterPunk: if you used apt-get, no, use aptitude next time |
| 18:04.41 | secher | abortman: Rofo. |
| 18:04.45 | bob2 | GutterPunk: you can use debfoster either way |
| 18:04.52 | GutterPunk | So is aptitude the recommended way? |
| 18:04.55 | jim | I'm asking how the mirrors are presently set up. my point is to ask the question. |
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| 18:04.58 | asg | GutterPunk: and deborphan for that extra fresh feeling |
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| 18:05.04 | abrotman | secher: ah .. comp-show at VF-scanticon last weekend in October .. and a few in allentown over the next four weeks |
| 18:05.11 | bob2 | GutterPunk: mostly |
| 18:05.26 | secher | abrotman: Hrm. may have to take a drive. |
| 18:05.32 | abrotman | err .. nope .. schedule is screwy .. 23-24 in allentown .. 29-30 in KoP |
| 18:05.36 | nono31 | I've been reading the debian-list message about 2.6.13... devfs drop so would make 2.6.13 not bootable with initrd... My question is: How could I made 2.6.13 (from kernel.org) doing make-kpkg -initrd work??? |
| 18:05.38 | Sarah | Anyone know which debian package contains libcidn? Installing libc6 doesn't seem to give that to me :/ |
| 18:05.45 | abrotman | !tell Sarah about search |
| 18:06.05 | abrotman | secher: there is a guy in P-town that sells parts on high street .. though i've never been in it |
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| 18:06.19 | mwilson | How does dropping devfs mean you can't use an initrd? |
| 18:06.21 | asg | abrotman: body parts? |
| 18:06.29 | abrotman | asg: case is a body part? |
| 18:06.36 | abrotman | mwilson: ? |
| 18:06.42 | asg | abrotman: some of the Cthulhu mods indicated as much |
| 18:06.44 | abrotman | mwilson: the debian-kernel thread? |
| 18:06.46 | secher | abrotman: KoP sounds perfect, Oh, cool, I'm headed to the Pville vet tonight, I'll cruise down high street and see what I can see. Thanks. |
| 18:06.53 | Sarah | Oh.. Nifty... |
| 18:06.54 | jim | nono31: why go to .13? something in it you really need? |
| 18:06.59 | root_ | hi |
| 18:07.07 | nono31 | jim: alsa 1.0.9 |
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| 18:07.20 | jim | ok, and you really -need- that? |
| 18:07.26 | mwilson | abrotman: Dunno... that's why I asked. I don't read ALL the Debian ML... only the ones that're important to me. Since I'd never use a Debian kernel, I haven't up to now had a reason to read that ML. |
| 18:07.40 | abrotman | secher: it's uhm .. closer to downtown :) .. just one of the regular store front things .. but i think it's near the fire station |
| 18:07.42 | nono31 | jim: Would be nice to have repectable sound in my box! ;-) |
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| 18:07.58 | abrotman | mwilson: they said the debian kernels have been set up to use initrd/devfs .. they need to "refactor' or some crap |
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| 18:08.13 | nono31 | jim: my question was more: how I succeded to use 2.6.13 when it should not work... |
| 18:08.35 | nono31 | jim: I just build my linux-image package as I was doing with .12 and worked... |
| 18:08.50 | abrotman | mwilson: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/09/msg00217.html |
| 18:09.01 | mwilson | nono31: They're talking about *Debian* kernels. You're not running a Debian kernel. |
| 18:09.02 | jim | nono31: what in .12 was bad with sound (specifically)? |
| 18:09.24 | abrotman | secher: if you really want .. we can order from wholesalers at my company .. though i'm not sure how good the prices are |
| 18:09.25 | nono31 | mwilson: debian's kernel are not build using make-kpkg kernel-image ? |
| 18:09.38 | abrotman | secher: and honestly .. |
| 18:09.48 | abrotman | secher: it might be easier to go with something like http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/cto/computer_customize_components.do |
| 18:09.51 | abrotman | do! |
| 18:09.52 | abrotman | doh! |
| 18:10.00 | jim | a deer! |
| 18:10.00 | tarzeau | debian hurd, freebsd or linux kernels? |
| 18:10.04 | abrotman | secher: itnore that |
| 18:10.09 | abrotman | ignore! |
| 18:10.11 | nono31 | jim: had to changed some config to make sound "work"... sound device can't be used by more than 1 app... :-( |
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| 18:10.12 | mwilson | nono31: Did I say that? |
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| 18:10.21 | nono31 | mwilson: nope, i am asking |
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| 18:10.27 | abrotman | secher: but anyways .. HP/dell etc have cheap PCs that come with windows .. that way you don't have to futz with it |
| 18:10.35 | jim | I thought that changed long ago |
| 18:10.39 | eeyore- | hey abrotman |
| 18:10.47 | mwilson | abrotman: Oh, I see... the change invalidates initrd-tools. Good, I always thought that was crap, anyway. |
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| 18:11.10 | Lounis_ | hi |
| 18:11.15 | abrotman | mwilson: i don't think that means they're abandoning init-rd tools |
| 18:11.22 | abrotman | eeyore-: morning |
| 18:11.22 | Sarah | Hmm, doesn't seem like libcidn is part of any package :/ |
| 18:11.47 | EdibleText | !find libcidn |
| 18:12.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libcidn' returned no results. |
| 18:12.04 | jim | Sarah: you could package it :) |
| 18:12.12 | abrotman | Sarah: what are you trying to compile/install ? |
| 18:12.18 | Sarah | Glibc |
| 18:12.28 | abrotman | you're trying to compile glibc ? |
| 18:12.31 | nono31 | abrotman: are debian's kernel packaged using make-kpkg kernel-image ? |
| 18:12.32 | Sarah | Yes |
| 18:12.35 | EdibleText | !find libcidn-dev |
| 18:12.39 | abrotman | nono31: i'd assume so |
| 18:12.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: d-i kernels? |
| 18:12.46 | abrotman | Sarah: erm .. why? |
| 18:12.49 | jim | Sarah: on a system-wide basis? |
| 18:12.51 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libcidn-dev' returned no results. |
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| 18:13.01 | Sarah | Just because I haven't compiled it before ^.^ |
| 18:13.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: the d-i kernels .. i'd say no .. but i'd say the kernel-image kernels are |
| 18:13.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: but i have no evidence to support any claims |
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| 18:13.45 | be0wulf__ | does trying to install php5 on debian sarge coz a lot of problem..didn't find backports version of it |
| 18:13.52 | streuner | Sarah: you shouldn't run by car with 200 km/h against a wall only because you've never tried it... |
| 18:13.58 | abrotman | be0wulf__: cause |
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| 18:14.01 | takatumi | tarzeau! |
| 18:14.02 | asg | be0wulf__: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 18:14.04 | tarzeau | streuner! |
| 18:14.09 | Sarah | streuner, the difference is that this wont kill me :p |
| 18:14.09 | abrotman | ralph! |
| 18:14.13 | streuner | tarzeau: :-) |
| 18:14.30 | streuner | Sarah: hm, but it kills your system |
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| 18:14.46 | mwilson | Hm. Interesting discussion thread. |
| 18:14.53 | tarzeau | takatumi: you play any instruments? |
| 18:14.58 | mwilson | Irrelevant to anything I do, but still interesting. |
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| 18:15.03 | Sarah | streuner, it's just a test system anyway, so that's okay |
| 18:15.05 | jim | Sarah: if you install the result of glibc system-wide, be aware that if it replaces the earlier glibc, then all apps dynamically linked against it will now try using what you will have built |
| 18:15.14 | Sarah | And if it works afterwards, then that's okay too :p |
| 18:15.20 | takatumi | tarzeau: a lil guitar |
| 18:15.26 | tarzeau | a friend works at national instruments, and someone called him asking if they also have a guitar instrument, LOL |
| 18:15.27 | Sarah | jim, ya I know :) |
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| 18:15.37 | asg | takatumi: a takatumi with a Takamine? |
| 18:15.42 | underline | i need some help u guys... My MySQL isn't working... When i try to connect to it, it says that Localhost isn't allowed to connect... how could it be possible?? Any ideas how to fix it?? tkx |
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| 18:15.55 | be0wulf__ | so i should rather stay with php4? |
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| 18:16.12 | tarzeau | underline: it's not listening at all? |
| 18:16.14 | asg | underline: how are you trying to connect to it. |
| 18:16.23 | jim | Sarah: ok... also if it's a different version (or maybe the same version with different compile settings), that might hose your whole system... |
| 18:16.25 | Gathond | underline: well does it allow that user to connect from localhost? |
| 18:16.30 | takatumi | asg: nucular bong. |
| 18:16.30 | underline | trying with mysql-navigator |
| 18:16.32 | USMarine | my resolution is too low, how can i fix it? |
| 18:16.40 | underline | and mysqladmin (comand line) |
| 18:16.52 | Sarah | jim, that's fine too, really. I'm just messing around testing stuff :p |
| 18:16.59 | jim | if you already know all that, good enuf :) |
| 18:17.03 | asg | takatumi: hah |
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| 18:17.14 | underline | tarzeau, the server is up... well configured... but it does not let me connect to it |
| 18:17.20 | shingouz | !tell USMarine about drxx |
| 18:17.23 | nkuttler | !drxx USMarine |
| 18:17.25 | dpkg | USMarine: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:17.40 | underline | here's the error: Could not connect to host '127.0.0.1'. |
| 18:17.41 | underline | MySQL Error Nr. 1130 |
| 18:17.41 | underline | #HY000Host 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
| 18:17.42 | Sarah | :) |
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| 18:18.07 | underline | Gathond, im trying with root, and with debian-sys-maint |
| 18:18.11 | underline | none of them work |
| 18:18.11 | asg | underline: then you have not configured correct privileges for the user you are using to connect. Try the docs at mysql.org and #mysql |
| 18:18.32 | underline | asg, i tryied even with debian-sys-maint |
| 18:18.36 | underline | and root users |
| 18:18.37 | jim | Sarah: this lib you mention ought to exist in debian assuming debian configures glibc in such a way that glibc uses the lib |
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| 18:18.58 | MoRLoCh | underline: is it the first time? Or you used to connect and then something changed? |
| 18:18.59 | underline | i've just installed it... trying to connect to configure the privileges and the databases |
| 18:19.03 | asg | underline: did you configure a root password? |
| 18:19.04 | mwilson | I love all these people who whine about how long it takes the box to boot. Who bloody well cares whether it takes 30 sec or a minute to come up? |
| 18:19.07 | underline | MoRLoCh, 1st |
| 18:19.17 | underline | asg, it still without pass |
| 18:19.22 | abrotman | mwilson: i do cause .. it makes me warm and fuzzy! |
| 18:19.25 | MoRLoCh | underline: I have read your answer before asking my question heh |
| 18:19.26 | asg | mwilson: me neither |
| 18:19.39 | underline | MoRLoCh, :) |
| 18:19.46 | eeyore- | fast boot = initng, but, it requires custom service scripts |
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| 18:19.50 | mwilson | People who should really know better, too. |
| 18:20.07 | EdibleText | mwilson, but one might miss important AIM messages |
| 18:20.08 | MoRLoCh | underline: did you check the default my.conf ? IIRC the default one forbids networking |
| 18:20.15 | abrotman | !parallel boot |
| 18:20.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, parallel boot is http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-boot.html?ca=dnt-437 |
| 18:20.26 | mwilson | EdibleText: There are no such thing. |
| 18:20.36 | abrotman | s |
| 18:20.52 | underline | MoRLoCh, yep.. i've checked... there's about prohibition there :P |
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| 18:21.14 | mwilson | <sigh> And here I was trimming the ML I was subscribed to... now I need to add a new one, at least for the short term. |
| 18:21.15 | jim | prople who do care should reduce the number of daemons and such that are started |
| 18:21.45 | abrotman | jim: i need famd! |
| 18:21.47 | mwilson | Need to keep track of how Md is trying to break things in favor of his own personal vision |
| 18:21.51 | asg | abrotman: anything by Terry Pratchett |
| 18:21.57 | eeyore- | abrotman: instead of a runlevel.zip file why not just use the (somewhat mature) initng? |
| 18:21.58 | abrotman | asg: is she naked? |
| 18:22.11 | asg | abrotman: no, he's a bearded old guy but makes you laugh |
| 18:22.12 | abrotman | eeyore-: huh? .. it's an article from IBM |
| 18:22.16 | mwilson | eeyore-: Isn't that that parallelized init thing? |
| 18:22.17 | jim | nono, you're thinking of Vicky Pratt |
| 18:22.25 | fbi | asg: is he naked? |
| 18:22.31 | eeyore- | mwilson: yeah, it is (initng) |
| 18:22.37 | asg | fbi: this is quite possible |
| 18:22.40 | mwilson | eeyore-: I thought I'd seen in a changelog that was in the default package now, but disabled. |
| 18:22.43 | be0wulf__ | jup terry pratchett rocks |
| 18:22.46 | eeyore- | abrotman: the IBM thing is more like a paper with one plausible implementation |
| 18:23.00 | abrotman | eeyore-: so .. people can learn! |
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| 18:23.46 | asg | abrotman: Wyrd Sisters is my particular favorite of his |
| 18:23.51 | Fionn | hi. |
| 18:23.56 | eeyore- | mwilson: it looks like it should be possible for initng to not require custome service start/stop scripts ... that would be nice so you don't have to completely change the way your distro works (/etc/conf, /etc/conf.d, etc.) |
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| 18:24.25 | Fionn | did debian happen to have stopped the use of "Provides:" control lines recently?? |
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| 18:24.38 | mwilson | Fionn: Not hardly. |
| 18:24.41 | eeyore- | mwilson: as it is right now, initng ships with its own "equivalent" scripts which work more or less similar to the distro's default script, but many times they are different |
| 18:24.45 | asg | Fionn: erm, no |
| 18:25.02 | Fionn | mwilson: I created a package with a Provides: line and it is COMPLETELY ignored! |
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| 18:25.17 | mwilson | eeyore-: <shrug> Doesn't matter to me... the box is seldom rebooted, and if it were, it's not like I'm going to die or something if it takes an extra 15 sec to come up. |
| 18:25.23 | mwilson | Fionn: If you say so. |
| 18:25.37 | eeyore- | mwilson: yeah, it's more useful for laptops that get rebooted often |
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| 18:26.03 | abrotman | asg: how about .. a calendar of dogs!?!? |
| 18:26.11 | mwilson | eeyore-: The last time my laptop got rebooted was when I wasn't paying attention and it woke up in the bag and drained the battery. |
| 18:26.18 | asg | abrotman: I don't hold with dogs personally. The choice, however, is yours. |
| 18:26.35 | abrotman | asg: i could get the dangermouse box set! |
| 18:26.39 | Fionn | mwilson: Todays kde upgrade broke the whole system because half of kde seems to depend on libqt3c102-mt (3.3.4), the other half on libqt3-mt (3.3.5) |
| 18:26.47 | abrotman | kde is broken .. don't cry .. |
| 18:26.56 | asg | abrotman: ah, true. |
| 18:26.57 | zinx | Fionn: unstable? |
| 18:27.04 | mwilson | Fionn: Ask me if I give a rats a** about KDE. |
| 18:27.11 | user12 | my system appears to halt every 5 seconds or so for about .2 seconds. This did not happen with 2.4 kernel but does with 2.6.8 sarge 2.6 kernel - Is there a place I can download a later 2.6 kernel to try ? Also, does anyone have any suggestions to troubleshoot this problem? |
| 18:27.22 | asg | Fionn: #debian-kde is the swap-shop for kde info |
| 18:27.28 | zinx | user12: check dmesg, check top |
| 18:27.59 | EdibleText | mwilson, That would make a great button ;) |
| 18:28.05 | Fionn | abrotman: I do. Its the system of my brother and he needs kde tools because he is phsyically disabled and some software he need is only available for KDE. sorry. I myself use gnome but that wont help me right now |
| 18:28.15 | takatumi | Fionn: first it was gnome you were after, now kde, why not just get out of the rut and run something else? |
| 18:28.21 | zinx | Fionn: maybe you shouldn't be using unstable. |
| 18:28.29 | Fionn | takatumi: see above |
| 18:29.05 | mwilson | EdibleText: Hm? |
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| 18:29.10 | jc-denton | hi all |
| 18:29.19 | jc-denton | i have a strange problem with pam and ldap on woody |
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| 18:29.24 | mwilson | Fionn: So don't upgrade it. Wow, that was a hard decision to make. |
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| 18:29.34 | asg | jc-denton: are you going to tell us what it is? |
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| 18:29.45 | mwilson | Fionn: "If I do this, all this other stuff stops working. Gee, maybe I'd better not do this!" |
| 18:29.53 | jc-denton | sure |
| 18:29.55 | abrotman | Fionn: your kde software runs inside gnome |
| 18:29.56 | Fionn | zinx: maybe I shouldnt use debian. Either I install im stable and he cant use half of the stuff he needs (fucked) or unstable and it wont work (fucked either) |
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| 18:30.17 | jc-denton | i did the latest security upgrades on it last week |
| 18:30.17 | asg | EdibleText: better yet, print T-Shirts at cafepress |
| 18:30.21 | Fionn | abrotman: no, "my" kde software runs on the box of my brother (see explanation above) |
| 18:30.23 | zinx | Fionn: Maybe you're right. |
| 18:30.27 | jc-denton | since them it just stopped to run |
| 18:30.27 | EdibleText | its debian-gold! |
| 18:30.29 | jc-denton | very strange |
| 18:30.37 | abrotman | Fionn: i understand taht .. and kde software runs on gnome |
| 18:30.39 | jc-denton | then i tried to install a backport of sarge |
| 18:30.45 | Fionn | so what can be done wrong about a simple Provides: line? |
| 18:30.50 | asg | jc-denton: append a 'debug' keyword to the relevant pam entries, check /var/log/auth.log |
| 18:30.52 | jc-denton | but couln't use it because there was no pam support for it |
| 18:30.53 | abrotman | asg: will you be pennington!?!?! |
| 18:31.14 | asg | jc-denton: also, are you connecting to Active Directory and did it also just get upgraded to 2003? |
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| 18:31.21 | jc-denton | no |
| 18:31.30 | asg | abrotman: I'll be whatever you want big boy |
| 18:31.32 | jc-denton | well samba is running |
| 18:31.33 | jc-denton | but strange is |
| 18:31.37 | jc-denton | slapcat works |
| 18:31.40 | user12 | zinx - is there a place to get a more recent kernel for sarge?? |
| 18:31.44 | user12 | 2.6.9?? |
| 18:31.46 | abrotman | asg: you don't even know who he is :) |
| 18:31.47 | Fionn | abrotman: believe me, you dont want to explain a disabled person that he needs to adapt to a completely new desktop because of some fucked up configuration issues |
| 18:31.49 | jc-denton | but su on ldap users not anymore |
| 18:31.53 | fbi | asg: maybe you are from brighton after all... |
| 18:31.53 | zinx | user12: you can always use make-kpkg |
| 18:31.57 | inc|freaky | whats the cmd to get the info for nvidia-oneliner from dpkg? |
| 18:32.01 | asg | abrotman: the name, sadly, doesn't ring a bell |
| 18:32.03 | abrotman | asg: whoops .. i meant Penfold |
| 18:32.04 | asg | fbi: haha |
| 18:32.12 | mwilson | Fionn: You're the one who put him on unstable. |
| 18:32.19 | jc-denton | i had this problem before tought it works, then somebody rebooted the box and it does not work anymore |
| 18:32.25 | Fionn | ah yes, youre all very helpful. |
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| 18:32.30 | mwilson | Fionn: I ask you again... if the upgrade breaks things, then whyinhell did you do the upgrade? |
| 18:32.33 | asg | abrotman: I prefer 'Davy and Goliath' |
| 18:32.37 | abrotman | Penfold! |
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| 18:32.43 | jc-denton | i checked the counfig and stuff |
| 18:32.45 | mwilson | Wow... people have SUCH trouble with that simple question. |
| 18:32.45 | elorco | jurmm, i haven't got any experience mounting usb removable drives like usb sticks or usb cameras, when i try to mount my camera or my usb stick I get an error saying "wrong fs type..." |
| 18:32.53 | asg | abrotman: 'Jesus is like an air traffic controller' |
| 18:32.53 | jc-denton | and i really don't know why it does not work |
| 18:33.03 | zinx | Fionn: g++ 3.4 is incompatible with g++ 4.0, adding a 'Provides' line is not going to do anything but screw your system up even more |
| 18:33.20 | mwilson | "Wah, wah, wah... unstable removed half of KDE/Gnome/XFCE... it's SO broken!" .. "Well, whyinhell did you allow it to do it?" |
| 18:33.20 | sandman | Does X have the ability to automatically load modules it needs? For example, if synaptics driver is used in XF86Config-4, but not specified in the Modules section |
| 18:33.33 | abrotman | asg: he waves his arms around and screams ? |
| 18:33.37 | jc-denton | grepping pam in debug does not find anything |
| 18:33.45 | mwilson | sandman: Under certain circumstances. |
| 18:34.00 | asg | jc-denton: look in /var/log/auth.log, not /var/log/debug |
| 18:34.05 | ilpavox | is there a way to get debian to use fancy boot screen like knoppix? |
| 18:34.15 | jc-denton | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.16 | asg | ilpavox: /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 18:34.19 | jc-denton | i found this error msg |
| 18:34.20 | nvz | mwilson: stupid people do things without rational reason http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity/ |
| 18:34.21 | mwilson | I must TRULY be the only person that audits what apt-get-aptitude/dselect/synaptic wants to do before it actually does it. |
| 18:34.28 | jc-denton | but i don't know what it means or so |
| 18:34.43 | abrotman | mwilson: i don't have to :) |
| 18:34.46 | ilpavox | cool |
| 18:34.46 | user12 | zinx top and dmesg look OK - it's strange - jumpy mouse every 5 seconds or so jumpy typing every 5 seconds or so. FIne on 2.4 |
| 18:34.48 | asg | mwilson: not the only one. The rest of us never have to complain |
| 18:35.07 | jc-denton | pam_ldap: ldap_simple_bind Can't contact LDAP server |
| 18:35.09 | jc-denton | i found that |
| 18:35.16 | jc-denton | but that's some time after now |
| 18:35.26 | takatumi | the 'b' key after marking packages for upgrade with a 'U' is especially useful in aptitude. |
| 18:35.28 | zinx | mwilson: you use aptitude? :o |
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| 18:35.38 | user12 | where can I get the 2.6.9 kernel? |
| 18:35.40 | jc-denton | asg: what other options do i have |
| 18:35.47 | mwilson | zinx: It was supposed to be an all-inclusive statement. |
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| 18:35.50 | asg | jc-denton: can you ping it? is it in /etc/hosts. Try configuring /etc/pam_ldap.conf with ips instead of hostnames |
| 18:35.52 | jc-denton | are there problemes with the latest patches for this package? |
| 18:35.58 | zinx | mwilson: ah ;) |
| 18:36.03 | jc-denton | asg: how ping? |
| 18:36.05 | jc-denton | slapcat works |
| 18:36.07 | mwilson | zinx: No, I have no reason to use broken software such as aptitude when working alternatives exist. |
| 18:36.15 | elorco | jurmm, i haven't got any experience mounting usb removable drives like usb sticks or usb cameras, when i try to mount my camera or my usb stick I get an error saying "wrong fs type..." --D repeating: What must i do? and... Why? What am i doing wrong |
| 18:36.23 | jc-denton | yes both files are fine |
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| 18:36.59 | asg | jc-denton: hmmm. Anything at all in the ldap server's logs? |
| 18:37.10 | takatumi | what about wajig? |
| 18:37.13 | mwilson | nvz: Thank you for that link. |
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| 18:37.24 | jc-denton | asg: ? |
| 18:37.25 | jc-denton | sure |
| 18:37.34 | abrotman | !tell elorco about vfatrw |
| 18:37.34 | EdibleText | elorco, what command do you type? |
| 18:37.44 | jc-denton | asg: so u mean debug? |
| 18:37.46 | nvz | mwilson: np, sussudio_ gave it to me earlier this morning, I enjoyed it |
| 18:37.51 | abrotman | !tel jc-denton about u |
| 18:38.05 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 18:38.07 | asg | jc-denton: I mean anything related to the problem you are having (I'm sure there is something in the logs on the server.) |
| 18:38.13 | mwilson | whereinhell is my 3.8 disk set... |
| 18:38.25 | asg | mwilson: it's coming, it's coming |
| 18:38.27 | jc-denton | just the error i posted above |
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| 18:38.51 | jc-denton | this one just appeared after boot |
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| 18:39.02 | meursault | hi all! i've got a problem with grip. I can't rip cds anymore. yesterday it worked flawless. What could have changed? |
| 18:39.09 | mwilson | asg: Not FAST enough! :) |
| 18:39.19 | asg | mwilson: they *never* come fast enough |
| 18:39.20 | erol | hi all |
| 18:39.35 | mwilson | meursault: It's grip. What else do you need to know? Replace it with something that's not from the stone age. |
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| 18:40.04 | mwilson | asg: Feh... I don't want to build this box with 3.7 |
| 18:40.08 | elorco | abrotman, but i'm mounting it as vfat :( |
| 18:40.10 | jc-denton | i'm not sure |
| 18:40.21 | abrotman | elorco: error messages are good |
| 18:40.23 | jc-denton | maybe it's related to the ldap-pam package |
| 18:40.37 | elorco | mm, i'm going to check something |
| 18:40.57 | elorco | abrotman, the typical wrong filesystem error |
| 18:41.06 | meursault | mwilson, it worked well yesterday, but now when i insert a cd it gets the infos from the internet and when i press rip and encode nothings happens anymore |
| 18:41.11 | elorco | wait a moment I've an idea |
| 18:41.22 | abrotman | elorco: did you use dmesg ? |
| 18:41.33 | abrotman | meursault: seems RIAA found you |
| 18:41.40 | jc-denton | lool |
| 18:41.40 | jc-denton | libnss-ldap |
| 18:41.41 | jc-denton | was removed |
| 18:41.46 | jc-denton | now it seems to work |
| 18:41.51 | meursault | abrotman, i purchased those cds and beside i live in switzerland |
| 18:41.59 | meursault | abrotman, we dont care about RIAA |
| 18:42.17 | abrotman | they care about you |
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| 18:42.22 | bobbyje | n Sep 26 05:16:48 |
| 18:42.22 | bobbyje | <bobbyje> d |
| 18:42.24 | elorco | yes and i also have the usb stick and the camera conected to a hub, maybe this is the problem? |
| 18:42.37 | abrotman | elorco: dmesg .. which partition ? |
| 18:42.39 | bobbyje | debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso is that a guided install? |
| 18:42.50 | jc-denton | well |
| 18:42.53 | abrotman | guided ? |
| 18:42.57 | jc-denton | at least some of the services |
| 18:43.09 | bobbyje | do you have to know commands to boot up the install |
| 18:43.17 | user12 | can I get the sarge 2.6.9 kernel from testing or unstable? |
| 18:43.24 | abrotman | bobbyje: it's fairly easy |
| 18:43.25 | abrotman | !ig |
| 18:43.25 | dpkg | somebody said ig was for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
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| 18:44.12 | elorco | abrotman, :/ no, it wasnt the problem |
| 18:44.16 | streuner | user12: there is no sarge 2.6.9 kernel |
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| 18:44.29 | meursault | what other programm exist for ripping cds that are as easy to use as grip? |
| 18:44.31 | abrotman | elorco: lookin dmesg |
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| 18:44.48 | asg | mwilson: hehe |
| 18:44.51 | streuner | user12: you could try to use it, but why do you think you need that? |
| 18:44.54 | elorco | abrotman, where can i paste it? |
| 18:45.14 | jim | rafb.net/paste |
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| 18:45.16 | jim | maybe |
| 18:45.22 | mentor | meursault: Why not use grip :P There's only a few around so you could just try searching for them with apt-cache and then trying them out |
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| 18:45.43 | user12 | streuner - maybe you can help me. I am getting .2 second processor pauses every 5 seconds or so - mouse pauses, typing pauses, etc. This did not happen on 2.4 kernel - I believe I have seen this on my buddy's laptop and fixed with 2.6.9 kernel |
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| 18:46.04 | user12 | struener - this is a hp ze4145 laptop |
| 18:46.09 | asg | user12: maybe your processor is overheating |
| 18:46.09 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:46.09 | dpkg | paste is probably Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 18:46.18 | user12 | standard sarge 2.6 gives this pauses |
| 18:46.20 | abrotman | irq conflict |
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| 18:46.29 | asg | user12: use apm or acpi to see if that might not be the case |
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| 18:46.52 | user12 | asg - this is possible - laptop has shut down a couple of times - why would it overheat with 2.6 and not 2.4? |
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| 18:47.26 | asg | user12: I've seen similar things with 2.6.9 on my latitude. 2.6.8 was fine, 2.6.10 was fine and now 2.6.12 is fine. |
| 18:47.37 | takatumi | user12: acpi in both? |
| 18:47.38 | asg | user12: it may be irrelevant but worth looking at |
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| 18:47.42 | elorco | abrotman, http://rafb.net/paste/results/IgvjZ060.html |
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| 18:47.59 | user12 | asg - how do I take a look, I have acpi installed - not sure how to check if it's overheating |
| 18:47.59 | Rayen | Hi, does the stable "netinst" contain the base of X11 ? |
| 18:48.02 | mwilson | You know, it's really sad when it's faster to pop the browser, have it go to google automatically, do a search, and go to one of the results, than to have to find the bookmark you know you saved but can't remember what you titled it. |
| 18:48.04 | asg | user12: acpi -t |
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| 18:48.37 | user12 | asg - command not found - what package do I need here? |
| 18:48.38 | asg | mwilson: pretty soon, we will all be integrated into the googolplex |
| 18:48.39 | mwilson | ooooh, new links2 |
| 18:48.41 | abrotman | elorco: looks bad .. fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 18:48.43 | asg | user12: apt-get install acpi |
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| 18:49.06 | abrotman | SCSI device sda: 512000 512-byte hdwr sectors (262 MB) |
| 18:49.12 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
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| 18:49.14 | abrotman | that's an odd usb device size :) |
| 18:49.24 | abrotman | oh wait .. bad math |
| 18:49.28 | da_bon_bon | do any of debians official mirrors have OOo2.0 beta ? |
| 18:49.31 | user12 | asg - No support for device type: thermal |
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| 18:49.46 | abrotman | da_bon_bon: ask #debian-oo |
| 18:49.46 | asg | user12: sudo modprobe thermal |
| 18:49.52 | da_bon_bon | ok, abrotman |
| 18:49.54 | asg | user12: or modprobe thermal (as root) |
| 18:50.05 | mwilson | Oooh, html fixes |
| 18:50.05 | abrotman | !beer beer |
| 18:50.08 | elorco | abrotman, i'll paste the output at flood |
| 18:50.20 | user12 | asg - module thermal not found |
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| 18:50.30 | asg | user12: did you compile this kernel yourself? |
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| 18:50.41 | stew | user12: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:50.43 | user12 | asg - yes, I can boot into the standard in a sec |
| 18:50.49 | Rayen | Hello, I was wondering if the stable "netinst" contain the base of X11 ? |
| 18:50.50 | asg | user12: do that, for now. |
| 18:50.53 | user12 | both kernels give the same pause |
| 18:50.56 | user12 | asg above |
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| 18:51.02 | user12 | I'll reboot now |
| 18:51.18 | barryh | hi guys. i am looking for what mp3 encoder most people use from the debian archive. grip and sound-juicer default to ogg, and the only encoder i am seeing is mp3c |
| 18:51.24 | jim | Rayen: no. netinst ONLY has debian base |
| 18:51.45 | mwilson | barryh: There are no packaged MP3 encoders. |
| 18:51.47 | stew | barryh: there are no mp3 encoders in debian |
| 18:51.57 | stew | barryh: there cannot be because of patent restrictions |
| 18:52.02 | nkuttler | barryh: /msg dpkg lame |
| 18:52.16 | barryh | stew: crud, i was afraid of that. thanks guys |
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| 18:52.23 | Rayen | jim so what's the difference between the netinst and the businesscard? |
| 18:52.24 | da_bon_bon | barryh: you can try debian-unnoficial.org for lame. |
| 18:52.42 | stew | Rayen: businesscard doesn't contain base, you have to retrieve base from the net as well |
| 18:53.05 | da_bon_bon | Rayen: businesscard NEEDS to use net to install further packges. with netinst, you can live with the system installed. |
| 18:53.30 | stew | da_bon_bon: what is debian-unnoficial.org? |
| 18:53.34 | Rayen | Do they change the 'base' often? |
| 18:53.44 | stew | da_bon_bon: (besides an unregistered domain?) |
| 18:53.44 | jim | Rayen: x is big, netinst is small. only base of debian; everything else comes from the net. See install guide for more details |
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| 18:54.01 | user12 | ags - what was that command again |
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| 18:54.05 | asg | user12: acpi -t |
| 18:54.12 | asg | user12: after 'modprobe thermal' |
| 18:54.13 | da_bon_bon | stew: sorry. i mean, debian-unnofficial.org |
| 18:54.28 | jim | netinst probably just fits on a businesscard-sized cd |
| 18:54.30 | user12 | asg - give me 62 deg |
| 18:54.36 | asg | user12: that's pretty high |
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| 18:54.42 | Alex_BO | HELLO!Is it possible that VncViewer run speeder on Gnome that on FluxBox? |
| 18:54.45 | asg | user12: is it still halting on you? |
| 18:54.49 | user12 | yup |
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| 18:54.53 | user12 | never in 2.4 |
| 18:54.58 | asg | user12: is the laptop fan running? |
| 18:55.01 | user12 | running linux on this machine for a while |
| 18:55.02 | user12 | yes |
| 18:55.04 | user12 | fan up |
| 18:55.07 | mwilson | Alex_BO: No. |
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| 18:55.17 | jim | Rayen: there are no applications in base, there will only be enough to fix problems and install .debs |
| 18:55.21 | asg | user12: keep an eye on it for a sec and see if it increases or decreases. |
| 18:55.22 | user12 | asg - I think the 2.6.9 kernel fixed this problem on my buddy's comp |
| 18:55.25 | Alex_BO | mwilson, it seems so |
| 18:55.33 | jim | rayen: see install guide for details. |
| 18:55.34 | asg | user12: it caused the problem in mine ;) |
| 18:55.35 | mwilson | Alex_BO: I'm happy for you. |
| 18:55.41 | user12 | asg - 63 deg now |
| 18:55.47 | mwilson | Wow... LOTS of errors building with 4.x |
| 18:55.49 | da_bon_bon | stew: http://debian-unofficial.org/ |
| 18:55.51 | da_bon_bon | barryh: http://debian-unofficial.org/ |
| 18:56.01 | user12 | asg - my computer did crash a couple of times today like it was overheating while I compiled a kernel |
| 18:56.06 | user12 | never did this before |
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| 18:56.10 | user12 | with other kerenel |
| 18:56.11 | user12 | s |
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| 18:56.26 | asg | user12: turn it if it gets to 65. Try installing another 2.6 kernel |
| 18:56.30 | da_bon_bon | anyone know which debian mirror has experimental too ? i want ooo2.0 |
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| 18:56.34 | asg | s/it if/it off if/ |
| 18:56.41 | user12 | asg - went down to 57 - now |
| 18:56.43 | Alex_BO | mwilson, i am using some vm because I have to test some features.in the vm I installed debian with 2.4 with vncviewer and fluxbox and vncviewer seems slower than an other vm with ubuntu and gnome |
| 18:56.45 | barryh | da_bon_bon: thanks |
| 18:56.50 | brosio | where i must put my module to load it ? |
| 18:56.57 | brosio | with modprobe rt2500.ko |
| 18:56.59 | brosio | ? |
| 18:57.01 | da_bon_bon | no problem, barryh |
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| 18:57.10 | mwilson | Alex_BO: Ok, if you say so. I have no idea what you expect me or anyone else to do about it. |
| 18:57.17 | bob2 | brosio: that will never work, it would be modprobe rt2500 |
| 18:57.20 | asg | user12: hmmm, if it still halts in the 47 C range, there is another problem. |
| 18:57.29 | user12 | asg - anyway, where do I get the 2.6.9 kernel? Also do I have to make the deb mysef? Just use the existing 2.6.8 config? |
| 18:57.42 | user12 | asg - 57 deg right now C |
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| 18:57.45 | asg | user12: what debian version are you running? |
| 18:57.46 | mwilson | ls |
| 18:57.49 | brosio | bob2, the same |
| 18:57.49 | user12 | sarge |
| 18:57.53 | takatumi | user12: you should probably look instead at .12 or .13 |
| 18:57.53 | user12 | asg - sarge |
| 18:57.54 | Alex_BO | mwilson, i wanna an advice |
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| 18:58.01 | brosio | where i must put the module ? |
| 18:58.20 | user12 | takatumi - where do I find this unstable, testing? |
| 18:58.21 | asg | user12: well, I'd stick with 2.4.27 for now. You might try compiling a 2.6 one from kernel.org |
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| 18:58.50 | user12 | asg - compile with the existing .config file from sarge? |
| 18:58.56 | takatumi | user12: roll your own or install from unstable |
| 18:59.10 | aa | hi world (testing message) |
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| 18:59.22 | asg | user12: well, the debian kernels are patched and so don't match the vanilla ones from kernel.org. |
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| 19:00.16 | asg | user12: do you have a reason to use a 2.6 kernel instead of the 2.4.x one? |
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| 19:00.53 | user12 | asg - trying to get "finalscratch " which uses also dual usb to work on 2.6 kernel. 2.6 seems to work better with my wireless as well |
| 19:01.19 | user12 | asg - I do think that a different 2.6.x kernel may fix this as I think it fixed my buddy's lappy |
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| 19:01.31 | asg | user12: ah, okay. Well, you can take the config from debian as a base and pare down a vanilla kernel from kernel.org. |
| 19:01.42 | user12 | asg - btw temp back up to 61 C |
| 19:02.01 | asg | user12: is it an amd based laptop or intel? |
| 19:02.08 | mwilson | Ah, that's better. |
| 19:02.11 | user12 | amd |
| 19:02.14 | user12 | asg amd |
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| 19:02.32 | mwilson | Man, I love links2 |
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| 19:02.39 | quatell | how could i let vim show newlines and tabs etc? |
| 19:02.40 | asg | user12: oh, hmmm. They tend to run hotter so 61C might not be that abnormal. I don't know for sure though; perhaps someone else here does. |
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| 19:03.01 | bgat | can anyone tell me why my command-line FTP client works with a Debian server, but an ftp:// URL in my browser doesn't? |
| 19:03.02 | Diesel | ø love links too =) |
| 19:03.10 | user12 | asg - is there really no other 2.6 kernel's in testing or unstable? |
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| 19:03.24 | aa | really?! |
| 19:03.24 | stew | user12: testing and unstable both have 2.6.12-1 |
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| 19:03.28 | cio | Hi all. I'm going to use postfix as my MTA for debian. But for some reason, it doesn't install procmail as a dependency. Is there a way to add procmail without having to add exim? |
| 19:03.34 | nkuttler | bgat: your browser sucks? |
| 19:03.36 | Diesel | kernel - cool |
| 19:03.37 | asg | user12: there are quite a few. I don't know if they will work with stable at this point. You can try I suppose. |
| 19:03.39 | mwilson | Diesel: I didn't say 'links'. 'Links' is sh*t. |
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| 19:03.50 | stew | cio: apt-get install procmail |
| 19:03.55 | Diesel | ok |
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| 19:03.59 | bgat | nkuttler: that would be mozilla that you're talking about... |
| 19:04.00 | user12 | stew - I have my reposiotry set to unstable - main and don't see it? What do I need to add here |
| 19:04.09 | cio | stew: Yea, I know that part. But it wants to isntall exim4 and all the dependencies. |
| 19:04.18 | mwilson | Hm, *that's* broken. |
| 19:04.20 | stew | cio: how did you install postfix? via apt-get? |
| 19:04.21 | aa | íó âñ¸! |
| 19:04.28 | stew | user12: kernel-image was renamed linux-image |
| 19:04.35 | cio | Yep. apt-get postfix. It removed exim for me. |
| 19:04.38 | user12 | ah, that's why |
| 19:04.39 | Diesel | óðààààààà !! |
| 19:04.40 | asg | aa: care to buy a vowel? |
| 19:04.45 | mwilson | cio: procmail doesn't require exim. |
| 19:04.56 | takatumi | user12: if you are on stable, don't set the repository to unstable, you could try downloading the package and dpkg -i it. |
| 19:05.01 | stew | cio: what version of debian? |
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| 19:05.06 | aa | âñåì ïèçäåö |
| 19:05.15 | nkuttler | bgat: btw, doesn't work is not a good desciption of the error |
| 19:05.17 | aa | ÷òî òàêîå? |
| 19:05.17 | cio | Ahh.. I stand corrected.. It was saying 'recommended packages'... sorry :( |
| 19:05.21 | takatumi | user12: unless you want to switch. |
| 19:05.32 | asg | aa: speak English or Die </sod> |
| 19:05.37 | Diesel | âîò íå ðóñè |
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| 19:05.49 | aa | i wil die |
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| 19:05.51 | Zugschlus | takatumi: installing binary packages from unstable is almost always a bad idea as there might be unstable library dependencies and you might end up with a system which combines the disadvantages of stable and unstable |
| 19:05.56 | aa | so a you |
| 19:05.57 | Diesel | why |
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| 19:06.05 | bgat | nkuttler: ok, how about this: |
| 19:06.06 | aa | but not now |
| 19:06.11 | aa | òàê ÷òî |
| 19:06.19 | aa | çàòêíè õàâàëî |
| 19:06.21 | stew | aa: stop |
| 19:06.28 | Diesel | really? |
| 19:06.36 | aa | why? |
| 19:06.41 | Diesel | èíòåðåñíî òóò òåëêè åñòü? |
| 19:06.43 | aa | i like here |
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| 19:06.46 | cio | stew: 3.1(sarge-stable) |
| 19:06.50 | aa | åñòü |
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| 19:06.58 | aa | ãîòîâ ïîñïîðèòü |
| 19:07.04 | aa | âî |
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| 19:07.08 | fken | locale? |
| 19:07.09 | asg | aa: this is an English only channel. If you cannot abide by the rules, you will be ejected. |
| 19:07.14 | stew | aa: this is an english only channel, if you don't stop you will be removed |
| 19:07.16 | asg | aa: with prejudice |
| 19:07.18 | aa | áåãóò óæå |
| 19:07.24 | takatumi | Zugschlus: including linux-image? tried it a couple of times, in cases where the acpi support is crappy, there are no other options than to either take this short cut or compiling from source. |
| 19:07.24 | bgat | Using a command-line FTP client, I can log in to a Debian server as an authenticated user. The same user name/password combination doesn't work in a ftp:// URL in my mozilla browser. Any idea why? |
| 19:07.31 | asg | !ops aa being a non-english speaking moron on purpose |
| 19:07.32 | Diesel | girls where are you |
| 19:07.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: aa being a non-english speaking moron on purpose |
| 19:07.32 | user12 | asg - 2.6.12 on the way from testing, I'll see if this solves the prob |
| 19:07.33 | aa | ok |
| 19:07.38 | aa | but... |
| 19:07.38 | asg | user12: cool |
| 19:07.50 | PiCkSiE | traigo la verga bien parada |
| 19:07.52 | aa | i was speaking eng. |
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| 19:08.09 | user12 | asg - damm temp at 70 C now |
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| 19:08.43 | bgat | I'm using vsftpd on the server. |
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| 19:09.39 | cio | It's a browser issue... |
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| 19:09.52 | cio | How are you formatting the URL in the browsers address bar? |
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| 19:10.01 | cio | FireFox doesn't like the password in there. |
| 19:10.09 | fken | kernel 2.12 just updated : whats new with it ? |
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| 19:10.32 | bgat | cio: I'm not using a password in the URL. firefox asks me for it after connecting to the server... |
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| 19:10.48 | bgat | then I get a "550 failed to change directory" |
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| 19:10.53 | cio | Are you sure you're not restricting connections by subnet or IP range or something? |
| 19:10.58 | cio | vsftpd is picky. |
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| 19:11.04 | bgat | cio: not that I know of... |
| 19:11.12 | cio | Have you tried just ftpd? |
| 19:11.18 | bob2 | bgat: what do your logs say? |
| 19:11.18 | cio | (for troubleshooting purposes) |
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| 19:11.41 | PiCkSiE | traigo la verga bien parada otra vez |
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| 19:11.50 | jim | !es |
| 19:11.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:11.55 | bgat | bob2: Mon Oct 3 14:09:19 2005 [pid 16388] CONNECT: Client "72.34.6.130" |
| 19:12.04 | bgat | bob2: Mon Oct 3 14:09:22 2005 [pid 16387] [bgat] OK LOGIN: Client "72.34.6.130" |
| 19:12.12 | bgat | bob2: Mon Oct 3 14:09:22 2005 [pid 16389] [bgat] FAIL DOWNLOAD: Client "72.34.6.130", "/home/bgat/~bgat", 0.00Kbyte/sec |
| 19:12.22 | bossa | hello |
| 19:12.39 | bossa | please...there's an italian debian channel? |
| 19:12.42 | asg | !it |
| 19:12.42 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:12.45 | jim | "/home/bgat/~bgat"? |
| 19:12.45 | asg | bossa: ^^ |
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| 19:13.05 | bgat | jim: the URL is: ftp://bgat@saturn/~bgat |
| 19:13.09 | bossa | grazie :) |
| 19:13.11 | cio | der pasta alfredo #debian-it |
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| 19:13.39 | cio | Does it do the same thing if you take ~bgat out? |
| 19:13.48 | krassy1809 | i want all partitions on my hard disk to be mounted automaticaly before login including ms windows partitions .What i have to do ? |
| 19:13.49 | jim | bgat: looks like ~user is not used by the ftp server in any special way |
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| 19:14.49 | nkuttler | krassy1809: add them to /etc/fstab, man fstab |
| 19:14.54 | bgat | cio: yes, same problem if I take the ~bgat out. I'm wondering if it's a permission problem on the user's home directory (currently it's drwxr-xr-x), or something in vsftpd is just not set right (I'm using defaults as far as I can tell) |
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| 19:15.14 | user12 | asg - just wanted to say thanks for the help. the 2.6.12 kernel has stopped the pauses and fan speed seems to be changing and such as it didn't before |
| 19:15.23 | takatumi | Zugschlus: ^^ |
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| 19:15.28 | asg | user12: excellent. Glad that worked for you. |
| 19:15.29 | bgat | cio: what's wierd, is that if I turn off the server's firewall, things seem to work...... |
| 19:15.35 | jim | bgat: show the last error line from the log |
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| 19:16.04 | bgat | jim: ok, let me get it... |
| 19:16.07 | Zugschlus | takatumi: kernel images are usually painless, but I'd recommend against doing so unless one knows exactly what might be the implications. |
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| 19:16.35 | takatumi | Zugschlus: I don't recommend this for anything other than kernel-images |
| 19:16.50 | Zugschlus | takatumi: sounds good |
| 19:17.10 | Zugschlus | some time, we might have kernel images which do not work on stable any more (modutils, udev, sysfs, devfs, initrd) |
| 19:17.42 | cio | Anyone here use squirrel mail? Is it pretty easy to customize? I'm looking for a professional 'looking' webmail php package. |
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| 19:17.59 | cio | That works with maildirs. |
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| 19:18.54 | asg | cio: squirrel works with an imap server. Any imap server that works with maildirs will work |
| 19:19.00 | cio | Dovecot? |
| 19:19.12 | bgat | jim: Mon Oct 3 14:18:52 2005 [pid 16628] CONNECT: Client "72.34.6.130" |
| 19:19.13 | bgat | Mon Oct 3 14:18:55 2005 [pid 16627] [bgat] OK LOGIN: Client "72.34.6.130" |
| 19:19.13 | bgat | Mon Oct 3 14:18:56 2005 [pid 16629] [bgat] FAIL DOWNLOAD: Client "72.34.6.130", "/home/bgat/", 0.00Kbyte/sec |
| 19:19.13 | bgat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:19.21 | usn_router | hi all |
| 19:19.43 | asg | cio: yes, dovecot is an option as is binc and courier-imap |
| 19:19.52 | cio | Cool. Gonna go check it out. Thanks! |
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| 19:20.38 | asg | cio: if you are going to customize the app fully, be aware that the IMAP functions are internal and do not use the php4-imap implementation. Otherwise, it's not too bad. |
| 19:20.41 | jim | ok, so what you requested was a directory... maybe all it can transfer is a file |
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| 19:21.09 | jim | btw... try pasting those things at rafb.net/paste |
| 19:21.14 | bgat | jim: the URL was "ftp://bgat@saturn/" |
| 19:21.24 | cio | asg: I just want to change the look and feel, not the functionality. i.e., I want to change the logo, etc. |
| 19:21.26 | jim | which refers to a directory |
| 19:21.34 | asg | cio: oh, that should be easy enough. |
| 19:21.37 | jim | is there a file in your home dir? |
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| 19:22.29 | bgat | jim: yes, the home dir is fully populated with a bunch of stuff. If I turn the firewall off, I can use the FTP url and see everything fine. |
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| 19:22.29 | bgat | I just don't understand what in my firewall rule is screwing things up. |
| 19:22.38 | jim | I'm not sure how the firewall is interacting |
| 19:22.42 | stew | bgat: sounds like you are using active ftp |
| 19:22.58 | stew | bgat: look up the difference between active and passive ftp |
| 19:23.00 | mortal5 | hi all, I just installed debian (bet you hate to hear those words) |
| 19:23.15 | bgat | stew: right. cmdline works, maybe the problem is telling firefox to use passive? |
| 19:23.20 | jim | mortal5: but is that all? |
| 19:23.25 | stew | mortal5: actually we like it when people install debian |
| 19:23.39 | Elly | wow |
| 19:23.44 | Elly | xnest is the coolest thing ever invented |
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| 19:24.01 | mortal5 | heh, anyway, I'm not really familar with debian, but I installed it with the desktop option |
| 19:24.22 | bgat | stew: or, alternatively, how do I get things right for active ftp? |
| 19:24.23 | mortal5 | and the installer said some packages couldn't be installed |
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| 19:24.33 | mortal5 | such as evolution |
| 19:24.56 | nkuttler | mortal5: which installer did you use? |
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| 19:25.31 | Horde | has anyone here got a toshiba 2180 CDT laptop which they succesfuly instaled debian on? |
| 19:25.36 | mortal5 | nkuttler: the default one |
| 19:25.37 | mortal5 | net install |
| 19:25.47 | stew | bgat: modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp on the firewall if you haven't already |
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| 19:26.06 | bgat | stew: aah yes, just saw that on google... checking... |
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| 19:26.08 | nkuttler | mortal5: paste the exact error somewhere |
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| 19:26.33 | mortal5 | k |
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| 19:26.55 | bgat | stew: wasn't loaded, did the modprobe and am trying again now... |
| 19:27.04 | mortal5 | nkuttler: how do i get back into the installer again? |
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| 19:27.10 | jim | mortal5: one place you can paste is http://rafb.net/paste |
| 19:27.15 | user123 | is there a way to get security updates for testing? I am only running the 2.6.12 kernel from testing - all other packages from stable |
| 19:27.25 | mortal5 | not the initial installer, the one that runs after you boot the system for the first time |
| 19:27.50 | Mxyzpltk | user123: read the topic |
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| 19:28.36 | mortal5 | i think it's called something like "base" something |
| 19:28.38 | mjk64 | Anyone knows why this doesn't work in ircII: /on +public "* * $N" echo blah |
| 19:28.39 | nkuttler | mortal5: i guess you mean base-config |
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| 19:28.44 | mjk64 | I wanted to highlight my nickname in public messages, but $N doesn't get expanded in the pattern :-( |
| 19:28.55 | nkuttler | mortal5: base<tab><tab> |
| 19:28.55 | bgat | stew: didn't seem to help. |
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| 19:29.16 | Lee__ | do source tarballs for building a .deb have to be in gzip format? or is there a way to get debhelper to accept bzip2? |
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| 19:29.34 | bob2 | Lee__: they need to be .gz |
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| 19:29.37 | Lee__ | thanks |
| 19:29.42 | Horde | hmmmm |
| 19:29.43 | abrotman | mjk64: which client ? |
| 19:29.44 | bob2 | Lee__: things like DBS let you use .bz2 intside a .gz, tho |
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| 19:29.49 | bob2 | but that's evil, usually |
| 19:29.49 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 19:29.49 | mjk64 | abrotman: ircII |
| 19:29.58 | Lee__ | I'll just recompress it |
| 19:30.05 | mortal5 | ok I don't have my mouse working right now |
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| 19:30.06 | mjk64 | abrotman: echo $N works as expected, but $N does not work in the pattern ... |
| 19:30.09 | mortal5 | so I'll do it by hand |
| 19:30.12 | stew | bgat: is your firewall natting? if so there is another module as well, iirc |
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| 19:30.25 | bob2 | Lee__: upstream really don't provide .gz? |
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| 19:30.31 | abrotman | mjk64: sorry . i haven't used ircII since i found a sensible client ;) |
| 19:30.32 | bgat | stew: nope, no natting. |
| 19:30.34 | Thaiger | I just installed X.Org and if do an export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose then run glxinfo, I get all kinds of errors about _glapi_get_dispatch(). It seems like I need new openGL libraries but I don't know what package I should be getting |
| 19:30.35 | plbgnr_ | hello I have problems with IMT Smile - Kým stúpa dym |
| 19:30.36 | plbgnr_ | Amitak mi raz hovoCril |
| 19:30.42 | mortal5 | unmet deps: gnome-desktop-environment depends evolution |
| 19:30.42 | mjk64 | abrotman: :-) And that is? irssi? |
| 19:30.45 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:30.49 | Lee__ | bob2: nope. alsamodular.sf.net. qarecord utility. |
| 19:30.51 | snd | testing can be 'stable' enough for real use right? i know! thats why its called testing and thats why theres a stable branch, but im just wondering |
| 19:31.02 | nkuttler | mortal5: join #flood |
| 19:31.02 | korl | how could it be that even though my soundcard is proprely installed and I can hear music and see videos, when I open a mixer I don't have any things to adjust? |
| 19:31.07 | abrotman | snd: currently .. prbably not |
| 19:31.08 | mjk64 | abrotman: Hmm ... at least at first, irssi is *very* different from ircII, AFAIR ... |
| 19:31.10 | zinx | snd: that's why it's called testing, and that's why there's a stable branch. |
| 19:31.13 | abrotman | snd: tgive it a few weeks |
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| 19:31.27 | abrotman | mjk64: you could .. try it for a day and see |
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| 19:31.28 | mjk64 | abrotman: is there a kind of ircII-mode-config file for irssi? |
| 19:31.34 | abrotman | mjk64: not that i'm aware |
| 19:31.35 | Lee__ | bob2: source maintained by SuSE. everything is bz2. |
| 19:31.44 | mjk64 | abrotman: *growl* ;-) |
| 19:31.50 | bgat | stew: I'm stumped... |
| 19:31.54 | abrotman | mjk64: i just don't use ircII .. wait .. someone else might |
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| 19:32.07 | mortal5 | nkuttler: I'm there |
| 19:32.13 | mjk64 | abrotman: oki |
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| 19:32.31 | Horde | my installler seems to hang at 2% on the hardware detection |
| 19:32.31 | bob2 | Lee__: ah |
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| 19:32.56 | Horde | is there any way to stop it from detecting certain things? |
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| 19:33.04 | Lee__ | bob2: will this make submitting the package to unstable a problem? cause I'm thinking of doing that. |
| 19:33.16 | EdLin | mjk64: actually, changing its settings to ircii-like ones is in the docs somewhere. |
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| 19:33.24 | Lee__ | although I'm not yet a DD. This is my first real deb :) |
| 19:33.51 | nkuttler | mortal5: you're using unstable sources... /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 19:33.55 | bobbyje | checking lex output file root... ./configure: line 2428: lex: command not found |
| 19:33.58 | bobbyje | how can i get lex? |
| 19:34.03 | mjk64 | EdLin: Ah, good news, thanks! |
| 19:34.04 | takatumi | mjk64: read the irssi start-up howto, you can have similar behavior. http://www.irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=startup-HOWTO |
| 19:34.19 | mjk64 | takatumi: thx! |
| 19:34.24 | tvn | how do I write a quick line script to tar xf (extract) all tarsed files in a dir ? |
| 19:34.40 | nkuttler | mortal5: what version of base-files do you have? (dpkg -l base-files) |
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| 19:34.45 | spoopin | asg: nice save :) |
| 19:34.47 | mjk64 | tvn: for i in *.tar; do tar xf "$i"; done |
| 19:34.54 | asg | spoopin: dunno what happened. It seems fine |
| 19:34.56 | EdLin | mjk64: /usr/share/doc/irssi-text/startup-HOWTO.html |
| 19:35.05 | EdLin | mjk64: note the section "for all the lazy people" |
| 19:35.06 | abrotman | mjk64: are you a happy camper now ? |
| 19:35.07 | mortal5 | nkuttler: hold on |
| 19:35.10 | mjk64 | EdLin: :-) |
| 19:35.19 | tvn | mjk64: thanks , that's very neat |
| 19:35.20 | spoopin | asg: I logged in but saw you there a minute before me.. |
| 19:35.21 | mjk64 | abrotman: a happy camper? What's that? |
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| 19:35.27 | mortal5 | 3.1.9 |
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| 19:35.32 | mjk64 | tvn: Yes, UNIX/Linux rocks. :-) |
| 19:35.35 | abrotman | mjk64: aren't you british ? |
| 19:35.38 | korl | how could it be that my soundcard works, but I can't use a mixer? |
| 19:35.40 | bobbyje | how can i get lex? |
| 19:35.41 | plbgnr_ | hello, I have problems with libapache-mod-ldap ...I have correctly installed this package and loaded into apache with apache-modconf (I verified with apache-modconf apache query mod_ldap) and I added into httpd.conf some content and by starting I get "Invalid command 'LDAP_Server'" can anybody help? |
| 19:35.42 | spoopin | asg: hmmm. Chad looks guilty. Retribution? |
| 19:35.47 | mjk64 | abrotman: Alas not ;-) |
| 19:35.51 | Lee__ | !tell bobbyje about search |
| 19:35.52 | mjk64 | abrotman: I'm German |
| 19:35.55 | nkuttler | mortal5: read the sid faq |
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| 19:35.59 | abrotman | they don't have happy campers in germany? |
| 19:36.02 | abrotman | oh wait .. dumb question |
| 19:36.03 | mortal5 | rgr |
| 19:36.06 | mjk64 | abrotman: Hmm ... |
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| 19:36.09 | asg | spoopin: why would he look guilty? |
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| 19:36.17 | abrotman | mjk64: happy camper =~ satisfied customer |
| 19:36.19 | bob2 | Lee__: repacking it? no, sometimes you have no choice |
| 19:36.23 | bob2 | Lee__: and good luck! |
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| 19:36.41 | mjk64 | abrotman: Ah, interesting term ... where does it come from? An advertisement? |
| 19:37.00 | DMA_n00b | I am trying to enable DMA on Debian Sarge Unstable. |
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| 19:37.09 | abrotman | mjk64: naked people in canada .. they were not happy campers |
| 19:37.16 | DMA_n00b | hdparm does not exist. I have been looking up the internet to find some help. |
| 19:37.23 | asg | DMA_n00b: apt-get install hdparm |
| 19:37.29 | mjk64 | abrotman: errr ... u-huh ... |
| 19:37.29 | bobbyje | i tried apt-get |
| 19:37.31 | bobbyje | lex isnt there |
| 19:37.37 | EdLin | bobbyje: flex |
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| 19:37.39 | abrotman | mjk64: honestly .. no idea |
| 19:37.42 | mjk64 | abrotman: :-) |
| 19:37.45 | DMA_n00b | hehe is it that simple? |
| 19:37.48 | spoopin | asg: sabotage for the AD fiasco |
| 19:37.48 | mwilson | DMA_n00b: There is no such thing as "Debian Sarge Unstable". |
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| 19:38.00 | bobbyje | thanks! |
| 19:38.03 | mwilson | DMA_n00b: You either run Sarge, or you run Sid (unstable). Which is it? |
| 19:38.04 | abrotman | mjk64: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=happy+camper |
| 19:38.10 | DMA_n00b | mwilson, Debian Sarge is the CDs I got. |
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| 19:38.18 | Horde | Whats the difference between a GRUB boot loader and a LILO boot laoder? |
| 19:38.21 | DMA_n00b | but then I started installing Unstable packages. |
| 19:38.25 | abrotman | mjk64: ok .. that's just wrong |
| 19:38.28 | asg | spoopin: I shouldn't think so. I'll investigate though but I don't see anything wrong from a preliminary view. |
| 19:38.32 | mwilson | DMA_n00b: So you've deliberately broken your own box. |
| 19:38.35 | Isumi | Horde : grub is more powerfull |
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| 19:39.11 | DMA_n00b | :D I guess mwilson. Actually it was because I had to install some package that we in beta stage and it required some other packages that were also in unstable stage. |
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| 19:39.18 | mwilson | DMA_n00b: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 19:39.27 | EdLin | !tell DMA_n00b about simple sid backport |
| 19:39.31 | mjk64 | abrotman: Err ... it seems that my English is not good enough to understand either of the two urbandictionary entries. :-( |
| 19:39.48 | DMA_n00b | this dpkg thing... is it a bot. |
| 19:39.49 | mjk64 | abrotman: But the girl on the left is nice. :-) |
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| 19:39.52 | spoopin | asg: only joking really. I'm on plugin-writing assignment.. laters... |
| 19:39.52 | abrotman | mjk64: happy camper =~ satisfied customer |
| 19:40.00 | EdLin | !are you a bot? |
| 19:40.04 | mjk64 | abrotman: 'kay, will memorize that. :-) |
| 19:40.22 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 19:40.22 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 19:40.33 | asg | spoopin: later |
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| 19:40.48 | DMA_n00b | man. I really like this whole thing. |
| 19:40.58 | DMA_n00b | true hackers. |
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| 19:41.01 | fbi | dpkg: gender |
| 19:41.01 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 19:41.05 | DMA_n00b | :)) |
| 19:41.20 | DMA_n00b | this is hilarious. |
| 19:41.25 | mwilson | Oh, brother. |
| 19:41.26 | DMA_n00b | who write this. |
| 19:41.29 | DMA_n00b | bot |
| 19:41.48 | jim | it's a blootbot so it learns when people teach it |
| 19:41.49 | EdLin | !tell DMA_n00b -about enter |
| 19:41.57 | DMA_n00b | :)) |
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| 19:42.14 | Althaser | eheh |
| 19:42.16 | Trajan | hi all i am looking for a rescue soft like mondo, do u have some other name to recommend me ? |
| 19:42.20 | DMA_n00b | :)) EdLin this is sooo good. |
| 19:42.32 | darky_ | Does anyone know how to make a logitech quickcam work |
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| 19:42.46 | EdLin | DMA_n00b: whoopee |
| 19:42.58 | jim | darky_: put it in a texas prison and say WORK!! |
| 19:43.01 | Nwallins | darky_: did you turn it on? |
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| 19:45.03 | bobbyje | i did a apt-cache search for php5 and it found nothing, what do i have to do? |
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| 19:45.18 | mwilson | bobbyje: Why do you need PHP5? |
| 19:45.18 | bobbyje | the main FTP doesnt have it...so do i have to try and find another mirror that has it? |
| 19:45.28 | EdLin | bbrazil: search for it on apt-get.org |
| 19:45.35 | bobbyje | umm so i can get my site up |
| 19:45.38 | bobbyje | why? |
| 19:45.46 | bobbyje | i only saw php4 |
| 19:45.47 | mwilson | bobbyje: Which is a nonsense statement. |
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| 19:45.57 | jim | bobbyje: php < 4 won't work? |
| 19:46.02 | bobbyje | no |
| 19:46.02 | mwilson | bobbyje: What is "my site", and why does it require PHP5? |
| 19:46.07 | bobbyje | i use php 5 functions |
| 19:46.11 | bobbyje | soo php 4 is no help |
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| 19:46.33 | mwilson | Why did you use PHP5, then, knowing it wasn't available? |
| 19:46.46 | jim | *shrug* you will probably have to build it yourself |
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| 19:46.57 | bobbyje | because i already built the site? |
| 19:47.03 | bobbyje | before i had it running on debian |
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| 19:47.43 | mwilson | So why did you move it to a box running Debian, then, if what you needed for it wasn't available on Debian? |
| 19:47.49 | jim | bobbyje: I have a dyn website too, and I build most of it up from scratch |
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| 19:47.56 | mwilson | I'm really trying to understand this process here. |
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| 19:48.02 | EdLin | bobbyje: there is a third party repository that has php5. I don't recall the name, search for it on apt-get.org |
| 19:48.08 | bobbyje | ok thanks |
| 19:48.13 | bobbyje | why are you being like that mwilson |
| 19:48.15 | asg | EdLin: dotdeb.org but that's not the point |
| 19:48.16 | bobbyje | its not that big of a deal |
| 19:48.26 | kYuZz | hi all. i have installed an audio appl named gtick. it needs /dev/dsp device to work... but i don't have such device on my system... and the audio playback always works! what's the problem in my system? |
| 19:48.32 | bobbyje | very simple, php5 on debian wow |
| 19:48.41 | DMA_n00b | thanks everyone. |
| 19:48.44 | DMA_n00b | got things working. |
| 19:48.50 | Horde | on tasksel i only get 2 options, mailserver and manual config.....WHATS WRONG? |
| 19:48.51 | DMA_n00b | thanks to dpkg too :) |
| 19:49.03 | jim | bobbyje: debian is a linux, and if it has a compiler, you can build things. it has a compiler. |
| 19:49.12 | bobbyje | yeah i know i can compile it |
| 19:49.18 | bobbyje | but im getting an error that i dont know how to fix |
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| 19:49.21 | mwilson | bobbyje: Being like what? You develop on one platform, which presumbably had what you needed, and then for some reason you move it to another platform, that does not have what you need. Why? |
| 19:49.22 | nkuttler | Horde: are you running sarge? |
| 19:49.27 | kYuZz | hi all. i have installed an audio appl named gtick. it needs /dev/dsp device to work... but i don't have such device on my system... and the audio playback always works! what's the problem in my system? |
| 19:49.30 | bobbyje | platform? |
| 19:49.32 | bobbyje | linux is linux |
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| 19:49.41 | bobbyje | same kernel i dont care which distro it should work on any |
| 19:49.41 | Horde | yep |
| 19:49.41 | asg | bobbyje: linux is a kernel, nothing more. |
| 19:49.41 | bobbyje | configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation. |
| 19:49.49 | jim | bobbyje: what were you running before? |
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| 19:49.54 | bobbyje | gentoo |
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| 19:50.11 | jim | so you were actually used to building things :) |
| 19:50.17 | bobbyje | yeah |
| 19:50.18 | Horde | nklutter:yup |
| 19:50.24 | asg | jim: emerge foo != building things |
| 19:50.31 | mwilson | So why aren't you still running Gentoo? |
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| 19:50.39 | bobbyje | /ignore mwilson |
| 19:50.40 | bobbyje | haha |
| 19:50.43 | ircops | lol |
| 19:50.43 | bobbyje | just kidding |
| 19:50.45 | ircops | :D |
| 19:50.47 | nkuttler | bobbyje: of course googling php5+sarge is asking too much? |
| 19:50.47 | ircops | !tell me about lol |
| 19:50.53 | mwilson | Clueless. |
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| 19:51.04 | EdLin | bobbyje: use dotdeb.org as instructed |
| 19:51.04 | ircops | yes, you are. |
| 19:51.10 | bobbyje | thats what im doing EdLin |
| 19:51.10 | mwilson | bobbyje: You can't answer simple, straightforward questions? |
| 19:51.11 | nkuttler | Horde: you don't need tasksel anyways |
| 19:51.13 | bobbyje | thats simply all i wanted |
| 19:51.19 | bobbyje | i just wanted a mirror that had it |
| 19:51.29 | mwilson | There are no mirrors that have it. |
| 19:51.35 | mwilson | You were told that in the beginning. |
| 19:51.37 | asg | bobbyje: be advised that dotdeb.org is unoffical and unsupported. If it breaks, we won't be able to help you. |
| 19:51.51 | bobbyje | eh i dont care thats all i want |
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| 19:52.14 | Klowner_ | darnit, have to use the 2.4 kernel to install on my stupid old laptop |
| 19:52.21 | jim | mwilson: but that's the official stance... which seems to be "only run official debian software", which is not even true |
| 19:52.22 | Klowner_ | seems the pcmcia barfs on the 2.6 installer |
| 19:52.38 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.41 | mwilson | jim: Huh? |
| 19:52.50 | fken | i installed linux with my lcd screen on the svga port and now i am using the dvi one but sometimes its like if one image miss me |
| 19:52.54 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:53.00 | kYuZz | hi all. i have installed an audio appl named gtick. it needs /dev/dsp device to work... but i don't have such device on my system... and the audio playback always works! what's the problem in my system? |
| 19:53.02 | Horde | nklutter: hang on, i DONT need tasksel....? |
| 19:53.02 | fken | is there something to do ? |
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| 19:53.19 | mwilson | jim: Yes, so? What comment of mine are you responding to with >> [12:52] <jim> mwilson: but that's the official stance... |
| 19:53.33 | nkuttler | Horde: please use my correct name |
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| 19:53.42 | ircops | hehe |
| 19:53.44 | WiFiTux | what other webmail progream is popular aside from openwebmail? |
| 19:53.46 | Horde | nkuttler:typo |
| 19:53.50 | jim | mwilson There are no mirrors that have it. |
| 19:53.51 | jim | mwilson You were told that in the beginning. |
| 19:53.54 | ircops | Horde: nick completion |
| 19:53.54 | asg | jim: if his site gets cracked because he is using some source that isn't up to the task of securing their backports, who do you think he is going to complain to? |
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| 19:54.28 | mwilson | asg: Hm? It'll automatically be Debian's fault, of course. |
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| 19:54.40 | asg | mwilson: of course and ours in particular for suggesting it |
| 19:54.43 | fken | no way ? |
| 19:54.46 | jim | so we therefore sink to lowest-common-denominator and tell people never build, never use software we don't provide? |
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| 19:55.05 | asg | jim: no, but we try to let people know all sides of the issue and what they can expect |
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| 19:55.19 | jim | that;s not what mwilson did at all. |
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| 19:55.22 | Horde | nkuttler: if i dont need tasksel then how do i get past the console? |
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| 19:55.35 | mwilson | jim: Did I tell him not to build something? No. |
| 19:55.38 | jim | and that's what I do not see here most of the time |
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| 19:55.40 | nkuttler | Horde: apt-get install what you need |
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| 19:55.45 | asg | jim: he's of course welcome to compile, use backports, use alien to convert rpms etc. That's his business. We just don't suggest it because we can only support so much. |
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| 19:55.50 | mwilson | jim: Did I tell him there were no official packages? Yes. |
| 19:56.10 | jim | you didn't use the word "official" |
| 19:56.20 | jim | you told him there were no packages |
| 19:56.30 | mwilson | jim: You will *never* see me tell someone that they should build $RANDOM application themselves. If they're capable of it, they've already thought of it and certainly don't need me to tell them to. |
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| 19:56.53 | mwilson | jim: And if they're incapable of it, the last thing I want to do is encourage them to do it. |
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| 19:58.08 | korl | how can I make use of my mouse wheel to get up and down in a web browser(firefox for instance) ? |
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| 19:58.11 | jim | but you were trying to claim above that you gave him a choice... now you're saying you never would have |
| 19:58.14 | Horde | nkuttler: hang on, so what am i 'apt-get install'ing? |
| 19:58.25 | bobbyje | mwilson is your purpose in life to be an asshole? |
| 19:58.31 | asg | korl: /msg dpkg mouse wheel |
| 19:58.38 | ircops | wow let's not get our panties in a bunch now kiddies |
| 19:59.01 | mwilson | jim: As for my comment about mirrors, if someone asks which Debian mirrors have $X, and I reply that none do, that certainly does mean that, at least as far as I know, there are no official packages of $X, because if there were, they would be on the Debian mirrors. |
| 19:59.02 | nkuttler | Horde: well what do you want? |
| 19:59.15 | Horde | to get into the desktop |
| 19:59.18 | Horde | part |
| 19:59.20 | Horde | thing |
| 19:59.21 | ttl_ | is it possible to startx from a remote ssh connection in order to be able to use X forwarding ? |
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| 19:59.26 | nkuttler | Horde: which desktop? |
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| 19:59.44 | jim | mwilson: all I'm saying is that when you do that, you could tell them the -whole- truth |
| 19:59.55 | asg | korl: /msg dpkg mousewheel also |
| 20:00.09 | jim | in a word, you should actually say what you mean |
| 20:00.21 | Horde | nkuttler:i dont know |
| 20:00.22 | mwilson | jim: The whole truth being that I should point them toward unofficial, questionably-maintained packages? Please. |
| 20:00.23 | bobbyje | he just likes to make things complicaetd |
| 20:00.39 | nkuttler | Horde: afaik desktop means gnome in tastsel, /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 20:00.41 | mwilson | jim: Official packages in the archive have enough problems as it is. |
| 20:00.44 | Horde | nkuttler: what ones are their? |
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| 20:00.56 | bobbyje | "If, however, you wish to use an unstable release of php5, here is a site: " |
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| 20:01.00 | bobbyje | that wouldnt be so hard^ |
| 20:01.03 | jim | if you mean that there exist no official packages, you should say "there are no official packages" |
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| 20:01.12 | jim | NOT "there are no packages" |
| 20:01.14 | beardy | nkuttler: In woody it meant both gnome and kde, but perhaps it has changed.. |
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| 20:01.32 | asg | bobbyje: /msg dpkg php5 (YMMV,HTH,HAND) |
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| 20:01.32 | mwilson | bobbyje: And certainly not my problem, given that apparently you DO know what Google is. I am not your personal Google, nor is anyone else. |
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| 20:01.55 | bobbyje | ok i didnt ask you did i |
| 20:01.57 | bobbyje | i asked this room |
| 20:01.58 | mwilson | jim: The only things on Debian mirrors are official packages. |
| 20:02.03 | nkuttler | beardy: ok |
| 20:02.24 | bobbyje | what was that for asg? |
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| 20:02.32 | abrotman | !moo |
| 20:02.32 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 20:02.38 | asg | bobbyje: your php5 for debian info. |
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| 20:02.46 | bobbyje | oh |
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| 20:02.54 | Norbert | hi, does anyone here know what Evolution uses to play a sound when new mail arrives? I have alsa installed and it's not making any sounds... |
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| 20:03.03 | zorzella | Any sendmail gurus out here? I've got a sendmail working just fine on my sarge, but, somehow, it stopped accepting connections from any computer but itself... |
| 20:03.04 | kristiank | hello. I reinstalled a sarge, keeping my /home partition. What is the best way to recover all my users ? |
| 20:03.08 | Lord-Seymour | ? |
| 20:03.17 | Lord-Seymour | Bonjour je suis un putain de suisse |
| 20:03.23 | nkuttler | !fr |
| 20:03.23 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:03.23 | fbi | !fr |
| 20:03.24 | asg | zorzella: that is a feature |
| 20:03.26 | beardy | Norbert: Do you have any sound, when doing something else, that should produce sound? |
| 20:03.27 | fbi | doh! |
| 20:03.29 | Lord-Seymour | !fr |
| 20:03.32 | mwilson | Norbert: Whatever your ~/.mime.types defines, I'd imagine. |
| 20:03.37 | jim | actually I found the original question |
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| 20:03.42 | Norbert | beardy: everything else but Flash seems to work |
| 20:03.45 | zorzella | asg, how do I whitelist some IPs? |
| 20:03.47 | bobbyje | how do you install a .deb file? |
| 20:03.57 | jim | it was "what do I have to do" |
| 20:03.57 | nkuttler | bobbyje: man dpkg |
| 20:04.05 | jim | bobbyje: or dpkg --help |
| 20:04.20 | abrotman | or info dpkg |
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| 20:04.34 | asg | zorzella: you have to fool with the little bits of sendmail macros et. al. that allow that. I haven't used sendmail in years (thank $DEITY) but #sendmail will know (and maybe someone here also.) |
| 20:04.38 | nkuttler | or google "how do i install a debian package" |
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| 20:04.55 | Horde | nkuttler: i dont get it. so i type in /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 20:05.04 | zorzella | join #sendmail |
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| 20:05.06 | Norbert | bobbyje: dpkg -i <file.deb> |
| 20:05.06 | nkuttler | Horde: yes, and you get a message |
| 20:05.09 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 20:05.09 | dpkg | install gnome is probably to install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
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| 20:05.22 | beardy | Norbert: Do you mean that Evolution should play a "You have new mail in your inbox", or are you asking which program that plays something you click at, in a mail? |
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| 20:05.49 | Eracles | Hi ev'body |
| 20:05.49 | Norbert | beardy: the "You have mail" thing |
| 20:05.51 | nkuttler | Horde: hm, do you already have x installed? |
| 20:06.04 | Horde | nkuttler: x? |
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| 20:06.12 | nkuttler | Horde: please join #flood |
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| 20:06.56 | fbi | Eracles: are you dr. nick from the simpsons? |
| 20:06.59 | beardy | Norbert: Perhaps you can find out what kind of file it is by looking at Evolutions options menu/whatever, perhaps it shows the soundfiles name. |
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| 20:07.40 | Norbert | beardy: it's an mp3, I chose the file myself - the question is, what's playing it... because I have alsa installed and OSS programs won't work... ;- |
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| 20:08.07 | Eracles | Can anybobody help me with a little trouble with dselect ? |
| 20:08.08 | beardy | Norbert: They will if your alsa is configured to simulate oss. |
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| 20:08.33 | asmodaiii | Eracles: what's your problem? |
| 20:08.35 | Norbert | beardy: cool, how can I configure that... I'd love to hear Flash sounds again... |
| 20:08.48 | fbi | Norbert: try installing alsa-oss |
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| 20:09.03 | beardy | Norbert: Or, it simply wont play, because whatever is playing it, expects a wav file? |
| 20:09.33 | Norbert | fbi: thanks |
| 20:09.44 | Norbert | beardy: yeah, maybe; I'll check a .wav |
| 20:09.53 | zorzella | asg, any chance you remember the feature name, or something else that I can google for? I'm trying #sendmail, but there are only a handful of people there... |
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| 20:10.00 | Eracles | I've selected some packages and i have a bad CD-rom and the installation is aborted, and the question is, can i deselect those previous packages ? |
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| 20:10.30 | Norbert | fbi: yay, that works |
| 20:10.32 | korl | what could be the reason that I get lag after I try to move a song or a movie forward whether it's with xmms or mplayer? the lag is about a second long. |
| 20:10.34 | Eracles | (sorry for my bad english) ;op |
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| 20:10.46 | asmodaiii | Eracles: i advice you to install pkg with apt |
| 20:10.47 | Norbert | that package should be installed by default when installing alsa, if you ask me |
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| 20:11.01 | asmodaiii | dselect is useless |
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| 20:11.03 | beardy | korl: Can't you figure that out? |
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| 20:11.43 | korl | beardy, I'm trying to figure it out... I think it's the kernel that came with debian but I'm not sure |
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| 20:11.55 | Eracles | yes, i know but dselect is more "user friendly" for me cos i'm not an "advanced one" |
| 20:12.07 | nkuttler | Eracles: try aptitude |
| 20:12.18 | fbi | Norbert: that's why it's always wise to apt-cache search for any packages that pertain to what you are installing |
| 20:12.25 | Eracles | can i deselect packages , selected with "dselect" |
| 20:12.25 | korl | beardy, why, do you have an easy solution? |
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| 20:12.34 | beardy | korl: ... when you skp forward or backward, it has to wade through the data very quickly, of course it will "lag" and take a second or two to start playing at the position you wanted. |
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| 20:13.14 | beardy | skip* |
| 20:13.19 | korl | beardy, no that's not the reason... I have a much older computer (Celeron 533Hz) and it doens't have that lag. |
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| 20:13.48 | beardy | korl: What kind of file is it that you're playing? |
| 20:13.57 | beardy | korl: And where is it stored? |
| 20:14.02 | korl | beardy, mp3s and videos |
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| 20:14.38 | korl | beardy, both have the same lag. it is stored in my hard disk not on a remote computer. |
| 20:14.53 | beardy | korl: Is dma enabled for that hard disk? |
| 20:15.11 | korl | beardy, not sure, how can I check? |
| 20:15.27 | kristiank | hello. I reinstalled a sarge, keeping my /home partition. What is the best way to recover all my users ? |
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| 20:16.35 | Eracles | no one can tell me what to do or what file to purge to solve my problem and continue to use dselect ? |
| 20:17.00 | nkuttler | kristiank: adduser them? |
| 20:17.05 | flinkflonk | kristiank, copy your old passwd and shadow files back to /etc |
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| 20:17.32 | beardy | korl: 'dmesg | grep ide0:' what does that say? |
| 20:17.47 | beardy | korl: if ide0 is your drive.. |
| 20:17.53 | korl | beardy: ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA |
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| 20:19.04 | beardy | korl: And this "dmesg | grep 'Disabling (U)DMA'", do you get any output? |
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| 20:19.13 | kristiank | flinkflonk: you mean I 1/ adduser to recreate all users 2/ copy files (can you precise exactly which ones ?) |
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| 20:19.33 | korl | beardy, that command showed no output. |
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| 20:19.49 | beardy | korl: Ok, you probably have DMA on then. |
| 20:20.00 | factor | if I have a package installed how do I just download the .deb to apt/cache |
| 20:20.00 | kristiank | flinkflonk: (I also kept a copy of /etc) |
| 20:20.05 | flinkflonk | kristiank: your user accounts are stored in /etc/passwd (everything but passwords) and /etc/shadow (passwords) |
| 20:20.16 | nkuttler | Horde: does ifconfig show an interface? |
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| 20:20.53 | beardy | korl: I'm not sure what can be the cause then.. What processor, how much RAM? |
| 20:20.56 | flinkflonk | if you want to be really sure, set the root password anew after copying the files |
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| 20:21.20 | Eracles | nobody know how to install or de-selecting packages in a debian channel ? |
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| 20:21.32 | korl | beardy, Cpu: Pentium 4 3Ghz, Ram: 1GB DDR 2 533 |
| 20:21.53 | beardy | korl: Well, that should be able to skip in a mp3 :) |
| 20:22.02 | kristiank | flinkflonk: thanks |
| 20:22.03 | korl | beardy, indeed :) |
| 20:22.04 | nkuttler | Eracles: why don't you ask your real question? |
| 20:22.21 | beardy | korl: What sound card? |
| 20:22.27 | kristiank | nkuttler: thanks for answering |
| 20:22.34 | sgeigerbot | Eracles: We didn't understand you. What do you want to do? |
| 20:22.35 | korl | beardy, M-audio audiophile 2496 |
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| 20:22.59 | nkuttler | kristiank: np |
| 20:22.59 | sgeigerbot | !+srt nkuttler |
| 20:23.11 | Horde | nkuttler: nope |
| 20:23.13 | Eracles | the trouble that i don't know how deselect the packages i've selected to install in "dselect. |
| 20:23.21 | nkuttler | Horde: what card is it? |
| 20:23.27 | nkuttler | sgeigerbot: had a nice day? |
| 20:23.34 | sgeigerbot | nkuttler: :-) |
| 20:23.42 | sgeigerbot | nkuttler: you are too harsh on non-native speakers. |
| 20:23.44 | korl | beardy, hey, the problem is with the soundcard! listen to this: when I mplayer -nosound file.mpg I don't get the lag |
| 20:23.48 | nkuttler | oh |
| 20:23.49 | beardy | korl: Are you using a sound daemon, like arts, or other? |
| 20:24.11 | Horde | nkuttler: card? sound card? video card? |
| 20:24.21 | nkuttler | Horde: network |
| 20:24.45 | Horde | nkuttler: well its a laptop so ill just have a look on the toshiba website |
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| 20:24.55 | nkuttler | Horde: lspci |
| 20:25.05 | korl | beardy, not sure. I configured my soundcard with the command: sudo alsaconf |
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| 20:26.12 | mopatop | hey - I've moved this harddisk into an older machine, and moved with it the two identical D-Link network cards that used to be in it, except when I boot it up now lspci only recognises one of them, even though they both light up. Anyone have any idea what's going wrong? I'm running the correct 2.6 kernel |
| 20:26.21 | Horde | nkuttler ok what do you want to know from there? |
| 20:26.41 | Estes2 | hum... in a cluster of two servers, i'd like to have a server aware of apache sessions of the other one... Anyone knows what i could use ? |
| 20:26.41 | nkuttler | Horde: is there something like an ethernet/network controller? |
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| 20:27.08 | korl | beardy, could /dev/rtc have anything to do with the problem maybe? |
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| 20:27.39 | Eracles | oki thx, bye everyvody. |
| 20:27.39 | nkuttler | Horde: google laptop name+linux+install and see if you find useful information |
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| 20:28.27 | Horde | 0000:01:00.0 Ethernet Controller: Realtek semiconductor Co., Ltd RTL-8139/8139c/8139c+ (rev10) |
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| 20:29.02 | nkuttler | Horde: try modprobe 8139too |
| 20:29.05 | mopatop | hey - I've moved this harddisk into an older machine, and moved with it the two identical D-Link network cards that used to be in it, except when I boot it up now lspci only recognises one of them, even though they both light up. Anyone have any idea what's going wrong? I'm running the correct 2.6 kernel - anyone have any starting points? I'm quite profficient with linux |
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| 20:30.14 | beardy | korl: In what way? |
| 20:30.18 | moath | i'm having issues with unstable not finding pivot-root on boot..what package is it in? |
| 20:30.31 | ircops | unstable argh |
| 20:30.38 | nkuttler | moath: /msg dpkg search, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:30.45 | takatumi | moath: fix your initrd |
| 20:30.49 | korl | beardy, what is /dev/rtc anyway? just for general knowledge |
| 20:30.55 | beardy | !rtc |
| 20:30.55 | dpkg | methinks rtc is Real Time Clock. This is necessary for SMP machines but quite useless for UP purposes (unless you read on how to use it). Disable RTC in the kernel if you get "clock skew detected" while building the kernel or anything which uses 'make'. |
| 20:31.04 | Horde | module 8139 not found |
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| 20:31.19 | moath | Horde: try "8139too" |
| 20:31.29 | beardy | korl: /dev/rtc is the device node for the Real Time Clock. |
| 20:31.39 | korl | beardy, ok so it's not that :) |
| 20:31.52 | Horde | oh |
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| 20:32.05 | beardy | korl: Do you have a problem with your rtc? Any messages during boot, or why do you ask? |
| 20:32.09 | moath | takatumi: what's broken with the initrd? |
| 20:32.16 | FanaticGuest54 | hojee waar ben ik ? |
| 20:32.17 | Horde | well that returned nothing |
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| 20:32.26 | nkuttler | !dutch |
| 20:32.26 | dpkg | it has been said that dutch is soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
| 20:32.30 | FanaticGuest54 | yep |
| 20:32.31 | korl | beardy, the thing which is weird is that I know that the soundcard is correctly configured because when I use kmix it shows me the name of my soundcard(maudio audiophile 2496). |
| 20:32.33 | moath | dpkg: !initrd |
| 20:32.38 | moath | !initrd |
| 20:32.38 | dpkg | i guess initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 20:33.08 | ircops | moath: you can msg the bot |
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| 20:33.13 | beardy | korl: And you have sound, right? It's just that it "lags" when skipping inside a file? |
| 20:33.20 | korl | beardy, when I use mplayer it says: "Failed to open /dev/rtc: Permission denied (it should be readable by the user.)" |
| 20:33.27 | defox | I need some help debugging dri using a Matrox G450 |
| 20:33.28 | korl | beardy, yes I have sound. |
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| 20:33.46 | korl | beardy, It's just that it "lags" when skipping inside a file. |
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| 20:34.34 | atheus | i'm getting "dpkg-deb killed by signal (broken pipe)" then exit(1) |
| 20:34.42 | atheus | trying to upgrade mysql-client |
| 20:34.52 | atheus | any ideas? |
| 20:35.14 | beardy | korl: Well, mplayer works without it, I don't know why it wants to access /dev/rtc really, for some timing perhaps, but seems stupid, since it's not readable by users.. |
| 20:35.27 | flinkflonk | atheus: disk full? |
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| 20:35.44 | flinkflonk | I ask because it happened to me :) |
| 20:35.49 | defox | I'm using xorg 6.8.2 on sarge, dri not enabled - no mga_hal module it can find, and drm seems to want to open files in /dev/dri. |
| 20:35.56 | atheus | flink: nope |
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| 20:36.11 | defox | question is, who creates those files? |
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| 20:36.33 | flinkflonk | anyway, the interesting message should be the line *above* the "killed by signal"-line |
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| 20:36.47 | korl | beardy, yeah the problem is not with the /dev/rtc... maybe the driver of the soundcard isn't good enough? |
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| 20:36.54 | beardy | korl: I really can't think of anything else.. is it a big problem, does it lag much? |
| 20:37.03 | beardy | korl: Perhaps, but I don't know.. |
| 20:37.13 | defox | beardy: have you tried -ao sdl? |
| 20:37.36 | beardy | defox: I'm not the one with the problem :) |
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| 20:37.40 | korl | beardy, yes it get really annoying when you want to skip several times |
| 20:37.48 | defox | beardy: oh, sorry |
| 20:38.03 | beardy | korl: Try what defox said? |
| 20:38.08 | atheus | flink: the error above that is "error processing [path to pkg] trying to overwrite [path to library]" |
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| 20:38.26 | korl | defox, awesome! you fix the problem :) |
| 20:38.34 | beardy | korl: Did it? |
| 20:38.41 | korl | beardy, yeah! :) |
| 20:38.48 | beardy | korl: Nice :) |
| 20:38.56 | defox | korl: it's a hint that mplayer pops up (among others) when it thinks your system is too slow to play a file |
| 20:38.58 | scx | :( please help: how do I add a user in mysql ??? |
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| 20:39.11 | Horde | great now i need 14 blank CD's so i can install it properly |
| 20:39.18 | flinkflonk | atheus: well, that's your problem. Probably a collision with some other package. |
| 20:39.26 | nkuttler | scx: read the documentation at the mysql website |
| 20:39.26 | scx | Everithing I do tells me the same: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user '=caffe'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
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| 20:39.33 | stew | scx: look up the GRANT statement |
| 20:39.34 | jim | Horde: you don't even need one of those if you have a fast net connection |
| 20:39.35 | defox | horde: try the first 3 - most of the rest you don't need |
| 20:39.54 | nkuttler | Horde: hm? |
| 20:40.03 | Horde | jim: cant connect to net from the box im installing on |
| 20:40.05 | nkuttler | Horde: you said you already installed sarge?? |
| 20:40.14 | nkuttler | Horde: why not? |
| 20:40.14 | jim | why not? |
| 20:40.21 | korl | beardy, defox, OK almost 100% fixed. the only problem now is that it takes like 2 seconds before it plays a file but once played it doesn't lag. |
| 20:40.23 | Horde | yeah, bit im reading a tut and it seems pretty solid |
| 20:40.35 | scx | I would better use postgre |
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| 20:40.48 | defox | korl: that could be normal - loading up the cache |
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| 20:40.57 | jim | scx: agreed |
| 20:41.20 | Horde | oh i cant connect to the net cos when it tries to read my network card the system hangs |
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| 20:41.27 | korl | beardy, defox, Now Fixed! |
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| 20:41.31 | beardy | defox: How big is the file, if it's a big movie, I agree with defox. |
| 20:41.33 | nkuttler | read the network card? |
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| 20:41.41 | Horde | detect |
| 20:41.48 | nkuttler | Horde: what command? |
| 20:41.49 | korl | beardy, defox, instead of -ao sdl, -ao alsa and it works perfectly! :) |
| 20:41.57 | jim | Horde: what net card do you have |
| 20:41.59 | korl | beardy, thanks a lot for your help! |
| 20:42.00 | defox | i wish I could use -vo mga though |
| 20:42.11 | korl | defox, thanks a lot too! |
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| 20:42.21 | beardy | korl: You're welcome. |
| 20:42.36 | Horde | 0000:01:00.0 Ethernet Controller: Realtek semiconductor Co., Ltd RTL-8139/8139c/8139c+ (rev10) |
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| 20:42.55 | luciane | ola pessoas |
| 20:42.59 | mhall | Ah yogurt and granola. What could be tastier? |
| 20:43.02 | jim | that should be easy |
| 20:43.02 | Horde | waht do you mean by what command nkuttler? |
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| 20:43.21 | streuner | mhall: matter of taste? :-) |
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| 20:43.35 | mhall | streuner: perhaps |
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| 20:43.46 | Horde | jim: easy? |
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| 20:44.02 | jim | yes, rtl 8139 is well supported |
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| 20:44.17 | mhall | streuner: BTW what's the difference between Knusper and Muesli? |
| 20:44.20 | jim | and what do you mean "hang" |
| 20:44.41 | krassy1809 | i want my network adapters to be configured automaticaly before login . What i have do ? |
| 20:44.49 | beardy | korl: You can probably configure which -ao mplayer should use as default in your users .mplayer, or what the per user config file is called. |
| 20:44.51 | nkuttler | krassy1809: man interfaces |
| 20:45.02 | Horde | it stops when it tries to detect some hardware |
| 20:45.11 | krassy1809 | i have a static ip addreses |
| 20:45.12 | nkuttler | Horde: it? who is it? |
| 20:45.13 | jim | stops forever? |
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| 20:45.40 | Horde | it |
| 20:45.44 | Horde | installer |
| 20:46.10 | nkuttler | Horde: so what? you already installed sarge. |
| 20:46.13 | jim | ok, one way around this is to make a netinst cd |
| 20:46.19 | streuner | mhall: haha - no idea... ;-) |
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| 20:46.33 | tarzeau | nobody has got an english2engrish filter script/tool? |
| 20:46.34 | jim | wait, he has sarge already on that machine? |
| 20:46.37 | mhall | streuner: Because I heard both in Germany. |
| 20:46.40 | Horde | yes, but i did it in expert mode to stop it from trying to detect hat hardware |
| 20:46.46 | mhall | tarzeau: There's got to be something. |
| 20:47.03 | Horde | that* |
| 20:47.06 | jim | Horde: so you have debian installed on that machine now? |
| 20:47.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: apt-get install filters |
| 20:47.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'd like to hit you |
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| 20:47.36 | korl | beardy, yeah I'll do that. |
| 20:47.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: what? |
| 20:47.44 | abrotman | you asked! |
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| 20:47.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know it has a wishlist bug wanting an english to engrish filter |
| 20:47.59 | streuner | mhall: there is a 'Knusper' Yoghurt, it has some Muesli in the yoghurt ;-) |
| 20:47.59 | abrotman | no i don't |
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| 20:48.03 | mhall | tarzeau: OK the way you are supposed to do it is to use babelfish. ;-) |
| 20:48.14 | Horde | yeah |
| 20:48.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: and it has many modes |
| 20:48.15 | tarzeau | mhall: i wanted something without internet |
| 20:48.18 | beardy | tarzeau: what is engrish? |
| 20:48.20 | streuner | mhall: really good |
| 20:48.20 | abrotman | surely one must be idiot-mode |
| 20:48.21 | mhall | streuner: Yes I had it before when I was in Germany which was how I got the idea. |
| 20:48.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: i know the package very well |
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| 20:48.30 | tarzeau | !engrish |
| 20:48.30 | dpkg | i heard engrish is at http://www.engrish.com |
| 20:48.31 | mhall | streuner: That stuff is awesome. |
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| 20:48.41 | abrotman | beardy: u d0nt kn0w 3ngr1sh ? |
| 20:48.47 | streuner | mhall: yes |
| 20:48.47 | jim | Horde: ok... what is the name you gave to that machine? |
| 20:49.02 | Horde | ummm |
| 20:49.05 | Horde | camlaptop |
| 20:49.09 | abrotman | beardy: engrish is kind of like .. what americans did to british english :) |
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| 20:49.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: if ever i get a root shell on any of your computers, i'll run chmod -R 1337 / on it, i swear |
| 20:49.20 | jim | ok, what is the machine you're on now? |
| 20:49.36 | Horde | that im chatting on? |
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| 20:49.38 | Horde | uhh |
| 20:49.40 | jim | yes |
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| 20:49.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: why? |
| 20:49.55 | Horde | its windows XP |
| 20:50.07 | jim | ok, we'll call it xpbox |
| 20:50.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: for the fun of it, to give you a hard time |
| 20:50.20 | Horde | k |
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| 20:50.26 | jim | so camlaptop is NOT xpbox, right? |
| 20:50.31 | Horde | right |
| 20:50.34 | beardy | tarzeau: Oh. Someone set up us the bomb. |
| 20:50.37 | mhall | tarzeau: i think the problem is it's hard to make a trivial engrish generation algo |
| 20:50.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh ko |
| 20:50.47 | korl | beardy, btw, if you know and if it doesn't take too much time, how can I get sound when there is another file being played? |
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| 20:51.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: you did not volunteer to write an engrish filter ? |
| 20:51.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: i might, be careful |
| 20:51.27 | Tortel | !tell me about browsers |
| 20:51.31 | Horde | right |
| 20:51.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: but first i must study all www.engrish.com |
| 20:51.48 | mhall | tarzeau: It's sort of a word-order / word-based thing, as opposed to a letter based thing. |
| 20:51.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: your stuff is gone! .. no more kenny! |
| 20:52.02 | beardy | korl: If your card doesn't do hardware mixing, I guess you have to use a sound daemon. |
| 20:52.06 | mhall | tarzeau: I suppose to do it right one would have to use sime kind of neural / genetic method. |
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| 20:52.23 | mhall | tarzeau: And a HUGE test vector of valid and invalid texts meaning the same things. |
| 20:52.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: check the followup mails, it's there again |
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| 20:52.37 | jim | hmm... |
| 20:52.57 | jim | the driver should be available as a module |
| 20:52.58 | jaybuffet | i just installed debian using net inst.. it installed the 2.4.27-2.386 kernel.. does debian work well with 2.6? |
| 20:52.59 | Horde | jim: http://www.it.teithe.gr/~andspyr/ i think ill folow this later on thisevening |
| 20:53.10 | jim | !listkeys 8139 |
| 20:53.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8139' by key (2): 8139 ;; rtl8139. |
| 20:53.21 | jim | !8139 |
| 20:53.21 | dpkg | 8139 is, like, A cheap Taiwanese chipset usually found in low-end cards. |
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| 20:53.33 | Horde | thats my laptop lol |
| 20:53.34 | jim | !rtl8139 |
| 20:53.34 | dpkg | [rtl8139] a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c> |
| 20:53.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: other one gone too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:53.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: the last mail from me, works, i just checked |
| 20:53.56 | jim | Horde: try modprobe 8139too |
| 20:54.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: and nethackify > kenny |
| 20:54.03 | jim | on camlaptop |
| 20:54.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: the nethack link is gone |
| 20:54.09 | Horde | it dosent return anything |
| 20:54.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's in already, and it shouldn't be gone |
| 20:54.26 | jim | ok, now try ifconfig eth0 |
| 20:54.43 | jim | do you get a paragraph? or an error message? |
| 20:54.49 | abrotman | it's gone! |
| 20:54.52 | abrotman | why did you killl it! |
| 20:54.53 | beardy | nethackify, where's that? |
| 20:54.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not gone, it's still there |
| 20:54.59 | Horde | paragraph |
| 20:55.04 | jim | ok... |
| 20:55.08 | tarzeau | beardy: in the pkg filters (sid) |
| 20:55.18 | tarzeau | beardy: telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 for an example |
| 20:55.25 | abrotman | it's gone! |
| 20:55.31 | beardy | tarzeau: Only running sarge at the moment.. |
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| 20:55.35 | jim | now we need to make that permanent |
| 20:55.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: then do a engrish also |
| 20:55.37 | beardy | tarzeau: Thanks :) |
| 20:55.47 | Horde | how? |
| 20:55.49 | jim | run modconf and find 8139too |
| 20:55.54 | jim | and UNinstall it |
| 20:56.03 | jim | then find it again and install it |
| 20:56.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's gone . it's gone. can you say anything else? |
| 20:56.04 | BucWheat | how do i create a group called "foo" and add user1, mysql, and www-data into it? |
| 20:56.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: your mom has armpit hair! |
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| 20:56.23 | Horde | what do you mean modconf? |
| 20:56.32 | jim | run it as root. it's a progrm |
| 20:56.34 | jim | an |
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| 20:57.00 | Horde | it says modconf not found |
| 20:57.12 | nvz | BucWheat: man 8 adduser |
| 20:57.27 | jim | how would he make that permanent |
| 20:57.46 | dna_ | what can I install to have a nice gui cdburning software? |
| 20:57.54 | tarzeau | dna_: xterm |
| 20:57.57 | nvz | dna_: k3b |
| 20:57.59 | nvz | tarzeau: heh |
| 20:58.05 | nkuttler | jim: /etc/modules? |
| 20:58.22 | jim | what would he add |
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| 20:58.32 | ma3x | whats this file /tmp/ksocket-ma3x/klauncher3zExKa.slave-socket |
| 20:58.38 | jim | just "8139too\n"? |
| 20:58.39 | ma3x | it ruins my sound |
| 20:58.44 | nkuttler | Horde: as root "echo 8139too >> /etc/modules" |
| 20:58.47 | tarzeau | "I may install whatever in order to possess the splendid GUI cdburning software?" engrish, cracks me up |
| 20:58.53 | mwilson | ma3x: Unlikely. |
| 20:58.56 | ma3x | jim, nkuttler are you talking to me? |
| 20:59.00 | ma3x | mwilson, what is it for? |
| 20:59.04 | jim | I'm not :) |
| 20:59.08 | nkuttler | ma3x: no |
| 20:59.12 | mwilson | ma3x: Does it matter? |
| 20:59.24 | ma3x | mwilson, it ruins my skype sound |
| 20:59.37 | mwilson | ma3x: It's nothing you need to mess with. And no, it doesn't ruin your sound. |
| 20:59.42 | nvz | !yinzersmite tarzeau |
| 20:59.52 | ma3x | mwilson, i killed it and my sound worked again! |
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| 21:00.10 | Horde | ok nkuttler |
| 21:00.12 | Horde | done that |
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| 21:00.29 | mwilson | ma3x: If you say so. |
| 21:00.29 | jim | ok, let's test that... reboot the laptop |
| 21:00.29 | nkuttler | Horde: what is your network setup? is there some dhcp server? |
| 21:00.47 | Horde | its a LAN and ill just reboot now... |
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| 21:01.23 | user12 | can anyone tell me how to disable one of my soundcards in 2.6 kernel - I have alsa module installed in the kernel - I don't want this to load on boot or I want to be able to turn it off once booted? |
| 21:01.34 | abrotman | fieldysnuts! |
| 21:01.39 | jim | nkuttler: he's talking to you on a different box |
| 21:01.39 | abrotman | damn .. worked for apt |
| 21:01.45 | mwilson | ma3x: Because you run KDE. |
| 21:01.49 | abrotman | !tell user12 about blacklist |
| 21:01.57 | ma3x | mwilson, I know that already. WHY is that file running? |
| 21:01.58 | mhall | user12: What's the problem with it eh? |
| 21:02.02 | ma3x | mwilson, what does it do? |
| 21:02.03 | mhall | !tell me about blacklist |
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| 21:02.21 | Horde | ok its rebooting |
| 21:02.26 | mhall | abrotman: that's a pretty neat feature |
| 21:02.32 | mwilson | ma3x: What does KDE do? Not much. |
| 21:02.36 | oskilian | on sh, when I do a | b, a's output is piped to b's input, how can I also have b's output be redirected to a's input? |
| 21:02.42 | ma3x | mwilson, what does that file do? |
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| 21:02.49 | jim | Horde: when camlaptop comes back up, we want to test the permanence thing... try ifconfig eth0 as root |
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| 21:02.55 | abrotman | mhall: ? |
| 21:03.01 | jim | if you get a paragraph, the permanence succeeded |
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| 21:03.06 | mwilson | ma3x: Ask a KDE developer. |
| 21:03.06 | jim | and we can continue |
| 21:03.12 | mhall | oskilian: lol! |
| 21:03.15 | ma3x | mwilson, you're a great! |
| 21:03.23 | ma3x | mwilson, thank you! |
| 21:03.27 | Horde | yep |
| 21:03.27 | outlaw84 | how do you change the time-out time for a samba share? |
| 21:03.30 | mwilson | ma3x: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 21:03.36 | albacker | guys, i have the debian sarge 3.1 cd #1. when installing the x-window-system, i got something like some packages corrupted. has it ever happend to anyone else, and any idea on how to solve this ? thanks.. |
| 21:03.36 | Horde | it worked |
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| 21:03.42 | user12 | mhall I would like to be able to remove it with a modprobe -r command - A program I use only works if it detects the correct # of soundcards ( I have 3 installed - program needs to detect just 2 |
| 21:03.50 | albacker | x-window-system-core ** |
| 21:03.51 | oskilian | mhall lol, what lol |
| 21:04.00 | tarzeau | albacker: the cd is good? |
| 21:04.12 | jim | Horde: beautiful... now we have to configure your networking (you now have your ethernet card driver inserted every time you boot) |
| 21:04.14 | tarzeau | albacker: never installed that from cd... |
| 21:04.16 | mhall | oskilian: i was trying to imagine how it'd be handy to pipe stuff back into itself |
| 21:04.24 | Horde | ok |
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| 21:04.29 | mhall | oskilian: i thought it was a funny question because now i wish i knew how to do it |
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| 21:04.51 | jim | how do you get addresses on your lan? |
| 21:05.03 | oskilian | mhall but I'm sure you can, I saw it in an article once, however, I left it home |
| 21:05.08 | Horde | me? |
| 21:05.10 | jim | yes |
| 21:05.21 | Horde | what do you mean? |
| 21:05.21 | mhall | oskilian: I believe it's possible I'm just not sure how. |
| 21:05.22 | Horde | like |
| 21:05.29 | mhall | oskilian: What are you planning to use it for? |
| 21:05.32 | Horde | the computer connected to the network |
| 21:05.38 | nvz | tarzeau: I think apt-setup (apt-cdrom) checks the disk when adding it. |
| 21:05.38 | Horde | computers* |
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| 21:05.43 | tarzeau | jim: we use colors |
| 21:05.54 | jim | what did you have to do forexample to xpbox to get it on the net |
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| 21:05.59 | albacker | can someone help me ? |
| 21:06.02 | jim | what's a colors? |
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| 21:06.12 | Horde | clik da internet icon :P |
| 21:06.12 | tarzeau | jim: what addresses do you mean? |
| 21:06.19 | valdyn | albacker: delete the debs from /var/cache/apt/archives/ and try again |
| 21:06.46 | jim | he's on a lan... I'm trying to figure out if he hand-assigns addresses or if he has an internal dhcp or what |
| 21:06.46 | tarzeau | jim: at different addresses we have differenet lan cable colors |
| 21:06.52 | tarzeau | jim: it's really easy on our lan |
| 21:06.52 | Horde | i gota router, an Dlink Broadband VPN router |
| 21:06.56 | jim | oic |
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| 21:07.12 | jim | oh, does that router do dhcp? |
| 21:07.18 | jim | vpn? |
| 21:07.19 | Horde | lemme find out |
| 21:07.24 | Horde | i think its vpn |
| 21:07.35 | jim | do you have a vpn coming in off the net? |
| 21:07.36 | tarzeau | jim: router? lan? |
| 21:07.44 | tarzeau | jim: vpn? our lan is internet |
| 21:08.04 | jim | tarzeau: oh, sorry :) I'm talkin to horde |
| 21:08.31 | korl | which package contains "play"? |
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| 21:08.50 | nvz | !find bin/play$ |
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| 21:08.57 | mhall | oskilian: try this: http://www2.linuxjournal.com/article/2156 |
| 21:08.57 | Horde | uhm |
| 21:08.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/play' (1): (/usr/bin/play) in sound/sox. |
| 21:09.00 | Horde | what |
| 21:09.05 | korl | thanks |
| 21:09.22 | zorzella | Trying again: any sendmail gurus out here? I've got a sendmail working just fine on my sarge, but, somehow, it stopped accepting connections from any computer but itself... |
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| 21:09.43 | ircops | zorzella: #sendmail |
| 21:09.43 | jim | Horde: when you connected xpbox behind this vpn thing, how did you start the connection? how did you have to configure xp? |
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| 21:09.48 | mhall | zorzella: Do you absolutely have to use sendmail? |
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| 21:10.11 | Horde | im not sure |
| 21:10.18 | mhall | zorzella: Run netstat -an and look to see if it's bound to your IP or only to 127.0.0.1. |
| 21:10.22 | Horde | I diddnt set up this computer |
| 21:10.22 | mhall | zorzella: Did you change anything? |
| 21:10.26 | zorzella | ircops: I'm already in #sendmail. They are puzzled by debian's configs |
| 21:10.30 | tobian | I want to install debian on my Computer but the installer doesn´t find my s-ata disks ? what can i do |
| 21:10.31 | mhall | zorzella: Did you upgrade the system? |
| 21:10.34 | jim | ok, let's try dhcp |
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| 21:10.42 | user12 | is there no simple way to load / unload a soundcard in the 2.6 kernel? Similar to modprobe and modprobe -r? |
| 21:10.53 | zorzella | blue:/etc/mail# netstat -an | grep send |
| 21:10.53 | zorzella | unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 1153241 /var/run/sendmail/mta/smcontrol |
| 21:10.53 | zorzella | unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 8930 /var/run/sendmail/spamass.sock |
| 21:11.04 | jim | Horde: what editor do you have? |
| 21:11.06 | mhall | zorzella: you probably need to grep for SMTP |
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| 21:11.18 | mhall | zorzella: case insensitively |
| 21:11.19 | ircops | zorzella: lol.. |
| 21:11.33 | zorzella | mhall, I recently installed sarge fresh. I brought my woody's sendmail configs, but somehow I'm having this problem |
| 21:11.34 | Horde | editor? |
| 21:11.42 | Horde | that edits what |
| 21:11.44 | Horde | ? |
| 21:11.45 | jim | how do you change text files? |
| 21:11.53 | oskilian | mhall that would work, but I'm sure I saw it without named pipes... thanks |
| 21:11.53 | Horde | oh uhm notepad or wordpad |
| 21:12.00 | zorzella | mhall, "netstat -an | grep -i send" same output |
| 21:12.04 | Horde | on the xpcomp |
| 21:12.14 | jim | howbout on camlaptop? |
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| 21:12.27 | Horde | well i dont think i have one |
| 21:12.46 | mhall | oskilian: yeah i googled quite a bit but i didn't see much |
| 21:12.46 | jim | ok, you might have an editor called ae or another called nano |
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| 21:12.56 | jim | they're pretty easy to figure out |
| 21:12.58 | mhall | oskilian: try #bash |
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| 21:12.59 | Horde | nano |
| 21:13.25 | Horde | i got nano |
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| 21:13.38 | zorzella | mhall, and, BTW, it's not like I must use sendmail... I've just been using it for so long, I don't even think about switching... |
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| 21:14.07 | jim | ok, as root, nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:14.12 | mhall | zorzella: It's not precisely famous for readable config files. |
| 21:14.34 | mhall | zorzella: You need to look through the netstat -an output and find out what IP address it's listening on. |
| 21:14.50 | mhall | zorzella: Otherwise you will not know whether it's listening on the right port. |
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| 21:14.55 | Horde | ok |
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| 21:15.02 | seven_six_two | if i have a domain name, let's say bugs.com hosted on my own pc and i want to give out email addresses to my family like bob@bugs.com do i need a MTA or something entirely different? |
| 21:15.03 | mhall | zorzella: Also check your hosts file and dns for invalid entries. |
| 21:15.09 | zorzella | mhall, what should I grep in netstat? |
| 21:15.13 | jim | Horde: do you see anything involving eth0? |
| 21:15.23 | mhall | zorzella: one sec |
| 21:15.27 | tarzeau | seven_six_two: you need an smtp daemon |
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| 21:15.37 | tarzeau | seven_six_two: and your family needs mtas |
| 21:15.54 | tarzeau | seven_six_two: and probably also something like a pop3 or imap daemon |
| 21:15.58 | seven_six_two | i want them to connect through pop... |
| 21:15.59 | mhall | zorzella: i'd try fgrep -i ':25' |
| 21:15.59 | abrotman | !sing tarzeau |
| 21:16.00 | mwilson | tarzeau: Uh, he needs an MTA, the family needs MUA's. |
| 21:16.02 | Horde | used by ifup(8) and if down(8). see the interfaces (5) ot /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples for more information |
| 21:16.06 | user12 | is there a way to change the order in which soundcards load?? |
| 21:16.07 | tobian | i need some tips to install debian on a s-ata disk |
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| 21:16.10 | tarzeau | mwilson: ugh, right |
| 21:16.16 | seven_six_two | i want them to go to pop3.bugs.com |
| 21:16.16 | abrotman | user12: yes .. |
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| 21:16.19 | Horde | to* |
| 21:16.26 | zorzella | mhall, /etc/hosts only has an entry for 127.0.0.1, cuz I'm on PPPoE and I get a != IP every time. I do have bind running, and a script that updates my bind db files when that happens... |
| 21:16.27 | tarzeau | mwilson: why do they only call it mta and mua |
| 21:16.28 | user12 | abrotman - where do I edit this? |
| 21:16.36 | abrotman | man modules.conf iirc |
| 21:16.41 | jim | Horde: do you see anything like... |
| 21:16.42 | tarzeau | i so hate those abbreviations |
| 21:16.47 | mwilson | tarzeau: Because that's what they are. |
| 21:16.48 | jim | auto eth0 |
| 21:16.56 | Horde | nope |
| 21:17.04 | zorzella | blue:/etc/mail# netstat -an | fgrep -i ":25" |
| 21:17.04 | zorzella | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 21:17.04 | zorzella | tcp 0 0 67.122.204.151:993 216.239.45.4:25505 ESTABLISHED |
| 21:17.04 | jim | auto lo |
| 21:17.04 | jim | ? |
| 21:17.15 | abrotman | user12: see the pre-install section etc |
| 21:17.19 | Horde | there are no auto's on there |
| 21:17.19 | seven_six_two | sendmail will run a pop server> |
| 21:17.22 | mhall | zorzella: alright so it's listening on 0.0.0.0 |
| 21:17.23 | seven_six_two | ? |
| 21:17.28 | mhall | zorzella: which means on any ip address |
| 21:17.30 | Horde | what i typed up is al taht was there |
| 21:17.32 | mhall | zorzella: so that should be OK |
| 21:17.40 | jim | ok... then add this: |
| 21:17.48 | seven_six_two | or exim? |
| 21:17.50 | zorzella | mhall, so why can't I telnet to port 25 from anywhere but localhost? |
| 21:17.51 | mwilson | seven_six_two: It will? Since when? |
| 21:18.00 | seven_six_two | lol. I'm asking... |
| 21:18.02 | mhall | zorzella: hmm, firewall? |
| 21:18.03 | tarzeau | seven_six_two: and what's your domain, really? |
| 21:18.06 | user12 | abrotman - this is for the 2.6 kernel as well? |
| 21:18.06 | jim | # The loopback interface |
| 21:18.06 | jim | auto lo |
| 21:18.06 | jim | iface lo inet loopback |
| 21:18.23 | seven_six_two | tarzeau, I don't want to share yet. it's mostly a blank page |
| 21:18.31 | seven_six_two | but i have apache running |
| 21:18.37 | zorzella | mhall, well, I thought the same thing right when I hit ENTER... |
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| 21:19.02 | seven_six_two | ok...you can see it... sauve.ath.cx |
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| 21:19.06 | Horde | ok |
| 21:19.08 | mhall | zorzella: example being my mail server which is local only |
| 21:19.17 | zorzella | mhall, any way to do a "traceroute" equivalent on port 25 to see who's blocking what? |
| 21:19.26 | jim | then put a blank line (hit enter once or twice) |
| 21:19.26 | mhall | zorzella: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
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| 21:19.42 | jim | then put: |
| 21:19.52 | mhall | zorzella: problem with that is traceroute is UDP |
| 21:19.55 | jim | # try eth0 dhcp |
| 21:20.04 | mhall | zorzella: this is why i hate firewalling |
| 21:20.07 | seven_six_two | but I just started it yesterday. I'm just trying out different stuff for now. I've never done a lot of this stuff. |
| 21:20.09 | jim | auto eth0 |
| 21:20.09 | jim | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 21:20.13 | user12 | abrotman - this is for the 2.6 kernel as well? i don't see either card in /etc/modules.conf |
| 21:20.14 | mhall | zorzella: it screws everything up hopelessly badly |
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| 21:20.28 | Horde | k |
| 21:20.38 | jim | then save the file and exit nano |
| 21:20.41 | zorzella | mhall, btw, just out of cursiosity, how did you setup that to only bind to localhost. And, even more interesting, is there a way to whitelist a couple of IP addresses to accept connections from and reject the rest? iptables, maybe? |
| 21:21.02 | Horde | hang on |
| 21:21.05 | Horde | how do i save? |
| 21:21.07 | tarzeau | seven_six_two: yes google ads suck |
| 21:21.09 | oskilian | mhall Thanks. I got it working with the named pipe: a < pipe | b > pipe |
| 21:21.20 | tarzeau | seven_six_two: why do you put them on your page? do they give you anything for it? |
| 21:21.22 | seven_six_two | lol. I know. I'm just playing |
| 21:21.23 | mhall | oskilian: ah-ha |
| 21:21.24 | jim | try ctrl-x and it will ask you |
| 21:21.26 | mhall | oskilian: lol! |
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| 21:21.43 | seven_six_two | they would if ppl clicked, but i'm just trying out different things |
| 21:21.45 | abrotman | user12: you hav eto write your own rules .. ex .. pre-install thissounddriver modprobe othersounddriver |
| 21:21.49 | oskilian | mhall actually, two pipes... :) |
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| 21:21.51 | Horde | ok |
| 21:21.55 | GodKilla | lo |
| 21:21.57 | zorzella | mhall, maybe my ISP is blocking port 25 incoming. It does let port 22 (ssh) for sure come in. Any simple flag to have sendmail listen on a secondary port, so I can try it out? |
| 21:22.02 | mhall | oskilian: named + unnamed |
| 21:22.04 | GodKilla | is there a software to emulate msi files? |
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| 21:22.17 | tarzeau | zorzella: you could use simpleproxy |
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| 21:22.25 | mwilson | How would you "emulate" an .MSI? It's not an executable. |
| 21:22.26 | mhall | zorzella: hmm good question, try man sendmail then type /port<ENTER> |
| 21:22.27 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 21:22.28 | jim | Horde: now, you have two interfaces configured, hopefully they will work when you bring them up: |
| 21:22.34 | jim | ifup lo |
| 21:22.46 | tarzeau | mwilson: wine can't run it? what says file on it? |
| 21:22.49 | Horde | nope |
| 21:23.03 | Fox_1_ | can anyone in short explain me the route columns???? |
| 21:23.09 | GodKilla | mwilson: well, then jus ta software or somethign tahts bale to run the installer and install the stuff into the fake dir |
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| 21:23.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can have all my honey roasted peanuts, damn shit gives me belly ache |
| 21:23.19 | GodKilla | tarzeau: error code 1 |
| 21:23.23 | mwilson | tarzeau: Don't ask me... I'm not the one thinking he should do it. |
| 21:23.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: go take a crap |
| 21:23.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: ever heard the 'found a peanut' song ? |
| 21:23.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll get some raspberry yogurt |
| 21:23.54 | seven_six_two | tarzeau, so do you know specifically which pkgs i could use for getting mail server up and running? I'm not sure how I'd go about sending the users' outbound mail either, but I'm willing to read the docs if I can find the ones I need |
| 21:23.55 | mwilson | GodKilla: I'm sorry, but I don't speak Moron. Do you speak English? |
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| 21:24.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, but i'm sure you'll post an mp3/ogg link to one that you record right know live karaoke for me with guitar? |
| 21:24.08 | jim | Horde: not sure what you mean |
| 21:24.17 | sad | why doesn't `apt-get -t unstable install clamav` work? |
| 21:24.20 | mhall | MSI appears to be supported by WINE |
| 21:24.24 | tarzeau | seven_six_two: i got exim and teapop |
| 21:24.28 | Horde | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.34 | seven_six_two | tarzeau, thanks I'll try those |
| 21:24.47 | zorzella | mhall, sendmail is FAR too complex to have anything much useful in man pages. There are options I know, like DAEMON_OPTION to specify ports, but they mess up what's already working... Lemme see this simpleproxy thing |
| 21:24.49 | jim | oh, try this: ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:24.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: |
| 21:24.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=found+a+peanut+lyrics&btnG=Google+Search |
| 21:24.58 | tarzeau | sad: drop the -t unstable |
| 21:25.05 | sad | tarzeau: but i want unstable |
| 21:25.06 | mhall | zorzella: ? |
| 21:25.15 | tarzeau | sad: then put it in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:25.19 | mhall | zorzella: what a weird piece of software |
| 21:25.21 | Horde | ok its pinging |
| 21:25.22 | tarzeau | sad: telnet linuks.mine.nu > /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:25.22 | GodKilla | mwilson: i want to know if there is a program which is able to install software using a msi file, something liek wine, just for msi files |
| 21:25.28 | seven_six_two | tarzeau, if your user sends a mail through smtp, do you have to route it through your isp's pop server? |
| 21:25.32 | jim | ok, lo works. |
| 21:25.40 | jim | hit ctrl-c to stop the pings |
| 21:25.42 | mhall | GodKilla: I think the answer would be _no_. |
| 21:25.47 | tarzeau | seven_six_two: ? |
| 21:25.47 | seven_six_two | erm...i mean your isp's smtp server |
| 21:25.57 | jim | now try: ifup eth0 |
| 21:25.57 | GodKilla | thanks ¬¬ |
| 21:25.58 | tarzeau | seven_six_two: no, i use not my isp's smtp server |
| 21:26.04 | zorzella | mhall, tarzeau suggested it half a page above |
| 21:26.05 | seven_six_two | ok cool |
| 21:26.18 | Horde | how do i stop it pinging? |
| 21:26.22 | seven_six_two | i'm going to read those docs now. thanks |
| 21:26.24 | jim | hit ctrl-c |
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| 21:27.18 | Horde | ignoring uknown interface eth0=eth0 |
| 21:27.31 | jim | hmm... |
| 21:27.42 | jim | ok, |
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| 21:28.06 | jim | horde: nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:28.15 | zorzella | tarzeau, great. With simpleproxy it works!!!!!! |
| 21:28.26 | zorzella | mhall, thanks for all the help!!! |
| 21:28.30 | Horde | k |
| 21:28.50 | jim | make sure you have: |
| 21:29.10 | jim | auto eth0 |
| 21:29.10 | jim | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 21:29.29 | jim | make sure the eth0 is e-t-h-zero |
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| 21:29.41 | Horde | i have auto lo |
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| 21:29.51 | Horde | iface lo inet loopback |
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| 21:29.54 | Horde | blank |
| 21:30.10 | Horde | # try eth0 eth0 dhcp |
| 21:30.29 | Horde | only one eth0 |
| 21:30.29 | jim | ok |
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| 21:30.50 | arnon | my computer has apache and mysql, but only mysql is turned on, is this mean to keep my computer up to date for remote security, I just have to update mysql ? |
| 21:30.51 | FlimFlamMan | do i need sendmail if i've installed courier-mta? |
| 21:31.03 | stew | FlimFlamMan: no, in fact you cannot have both |
| 21:31.05 | jim | Horde: that's all? |
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| 21:31.23 | Horde | oh and the stuff i typed up earlier |
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| 21:31.41 | Horde | and # the loopback interfaces |
| 21:31.50 | FlimFlamMan | stew, thx - i've installed courier but i get mail from smmsp@localhost every twenty mins. i believe i've disabled it in cron but it keeps firing |
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| 21:32.16 | jim | ok, you need two more lines |
| 21:32.30 | jim | auto eth0 |
| 21:32.30 | jim | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 21:32.35 | Horde | used by ifup(8) and if down(8). see the interfaces (5) # /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples for more information those ones? |
| 21:32.39 | Horde | pl |
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| 21:32.41 | Horde | ok* |
| 21:32.51 | Horde | where do i put them? |
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| 21:33.27 | zerve_the_death | Horde: do you play WoW? |
| 21:33.28 | user12 | can someone help me to change the order that my soundcards load? |
| 21:33.33 | jim | next line after # try eth0 dhcp |
| 21:33.37 | Horde | nope |
| 21:33.40 | mhall | Why do people often mmap /dev/zero instead of using malloc to get memory? |
| 21:33.40 | zerve_the_death | ok |
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| 21:34.15 | BucWheat | can someone help me with groups and file permissions? |
| 21:34.56 | Horde | ok |
| 21:34.59 | Horde | now what jim? |
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| 21:35.08 | jim | save the file, exit the editor |
| 21:35.17 | Horde | k |
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| 21:35.26 | jim | then try: ifup eth0 |
| 21:35.35 | MrBallZ | sup |
| 21:35.38 | invalid|lappy | general linux question: How would I recursively chmod directories to 755 BUT not touch the permission of files within |
| 21:35.49 | flinkflonk | mhall: because they'd have to fill the malloced area up with zeroes, and that would be slower. |
| 21:35.51 | Horde | got a par |
| 21:35.52 | abrotman | find ? |
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| 21:36.02 | BucWheat | here is the deal i need mysql user, apache user (www-data), and my user mla to be in a group and have rwx perms on the folder foo and the files within it |
| 21:36.06 | jim | not ifconfig |
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| 21:36.08 | jim | then try: ifup eth0 |
| 21:36.19 | Horde | ok |
| 21:36.24 | BucWheat | how do i give the group that those users have been added to (mygroup) perms to folder foo ? |
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| 21:37.06 | Horde | dmcpdiscover on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval |
| 21:37.27 | flinkflonk | BucWheat: chgrp mygroup folder, then chmod 770 folder. |
| 21:37.46 | user12 | anyone know how to change the soundcard order or to load / unload in the 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:37.52 | albacker | guys i have the debian sarge 3.1 CD #1, and while i was apt-get'ing x-window-system from the CD i got an error that said that .deb packages [some of them] were corrupted.. anything i can do ? |
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| 21:38.01 | stew | BucWheat: what folder do you need the mysql user to have write access to?!? |
| 21:38.10 | versuchsanstalt | streuner: ping... |
| 21:38.24 | jim | Horde: anything else? |
| 21:38.25 | stew | user12: change the order in which they appear in /etc/modules |
| 21:39.01 | user12 | stew - neither soundcard is in /etc/modules |
| 21:39.11 | stew | user12: put them in then |
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| 21:39.52 | mhall | flinkflonk: Ah since malloc gives you whatever random crap might be in memory? |
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| 21:40.09 | mhall | flinkflonk: But how does /dev/zero speed up the process? Doesn't something have to put the zeros there? |
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| 21:40.44 | versuchsanstalt | albacker: try adding an ftp source to /etc/apt/sources.list and download clean packages from the net |
| 21:40.57 | Horde | yeah |
| 21:41.02 | ciaron | how do i set the "working" directory for a cron job? |
| 21:41.03 | albacker | versuchsanstalt, i have dialup... |
| 21:41.15 | albacker | and i cant configure wvdial.. i dont even have wvdial |
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| 21:41.21 | flinkflonk | well, the zeroes are there by definition (because /dev/zero is full of it), but nothing has to write them in the whole area. |
| 21:41.25 | mhz | hi all |
| 21:41.26 | jim | did you get a reply from the dhcpdiscover? |
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| 21:41.32 | flinkflonk | a preset, in other words |
| 21:41.35 | versuchsanstalt | albacker: :-( |
| 21:41.51 | mhall | flinkflonk: But... how does it get zeroed out if nothing (not even the kernel) writes the zeros? |
| 21:41.56 | Horde | nope |
| 21:41.59 | mhz | could anyne tell me what I am doing wrong in a local-netboot install, please??? |
| 21:42.00 | km0ti0n | What versin http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki//topic |
| 21:42.03 | km0ti0n | opps |
| 21:42.08 | Horde | it dosent look like its connecting to the right IP |
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| 21:43.12 | jim | Horde: does it keep trying to discover? |
| 21:43.15 | versuchsanstalt | albacker: maybe download only the broken packages from the net and install them using dpkg -i |
| 21:43.17 | Horde | yes |
| 21:43.20 | flinkflonk | mhall: because everytime a page from that area is paged in, the kernel will fill it with zeroes. And since it does that on demand it might be faster than zeroing out the whole area first. |
| 21:43.36 | jim | ok, so it looks like the router doesn't do dhcp |
| 21:43.45 | flinkflonk | it's unix magic :) |
| 21:43.54 | Horde | no dhcpoffers recieved no woeking leases in persistent database |
| 21:43.54 | sad | ok, so how do i do this... i want to keep my system stable, but there are a few programs that i want to be kept on testing/unstable (clamav) but now after updating my sources.list and running apt-get -t stable upgrade.. it'll trying to upgrade everything to testing or unstable.. how do i make it stay at stable only for mass upgrading? |
| 21:43.58 | Horde | k |
| 21:44.08 | km0ti0n | I want to install nxserver but there's no existance on nxserver in apt |
| 21:44.20 | km0ti0n | where should i install it from? |
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| 21:44.43 | jim | so how many machines are in your lan (add one more for the router) |
| 21:44.58 | Horde | uhhh 5 or 4 |
| 21:45.16 | jim | ok, are any of them linux boxes |
| 21:45.20 | Horde | nope |
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| 21:45.29 | user12 | ls |
| 21:45.30 | Horde | all windows xp sp2 |
| 21:45.35 | jim | hmm, ok |
| 21:45.35 | Horde | i think |
| 21:45.42 | Horde | yeah none are linux |
| 21:45.44 | mhz | Horde: could you tell me what I am doing wrong in a local-netboot install, please??? so far I successfully provide IP to the thin laptop, but TFTP times out ........ and I get back to Windows :( |
| 21:46.04 | jim | you need to find out what address one of them has, and netmask and gateway and dns |
| 21:46.11 | user12 | stew - when I add snd-usb-audio to /etc/modules it doesn't find the modules? Is this what I'm supposed to add ? Or snd_usb_audio? |
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| 21:46.23 | Horde | heh dont ask me mhz im only just getting my first linux now :P |
| 21:46.25 | Horde | uhm |
| 21:46.25 | user12 | the usb is the device I need to load first |
| 21:46.26 | Horde | ok |
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| 21:46.32 | jharrison | anyone got a sandisk 12 in 1 memory card reader that craps out when you try to transfer data to and from the device? |
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| 21:46.54 | jim | and I dunno how you'd do that since I have no XPs on any net |
| 21:47.08 | nkuttler | Horde: how do the windows boxes connect to the net? did you configure them? |
| 21:47.18 | Horde | no i diddnt |
| 21:47.23 | nkuttler | Horde: who did? |
| 21:47.24 | jim | he didn't configure them, someone else did |
| 21:47.29 | stew | user12: it should be snd-usb-audio. does "modprobe snd-usb-audio" work after booting? |
| 21:47.44 | Horde | i can give them a call if that would help |
| 21:47.58 | mhall | flinkflonk: ah, sweet |
| 21:48.05 | jim | it might; |
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| 21:48.11 | mhall | flinkflonk: mmap is such a neat system call especially when combined with madvise |
| 21:48.13 | user12 | stew - yes the modprobe works. I have compiled the kernel to have usb sound support |
| 21:48.18 | Horde | k what do i need to find out? |
| 21:48.22 | user12 | can't figure out how to change the order tho |
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| 21:48.45 | stew | user12: if modprobe snd-usb-audio works then putting it in /etc/modules really should work |
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| 21:49.05 | mhall | flinkflonk: i think i'll try rewriting operator new in c++ to mmap the zero device |
| 21:49.09 | blizzard^ | QUESTION: Is Testing and Unstable the same at the moment, or is it separate repositories? If it's separate, why does debian_version say testing/unstable? |
| 21:49.13 | mhall | flinkflonk: should be an interesting exercise |
| 21:49.14 | nkuttler | Horde: look at the system preferences -> networking (or similar) and open it# |
| 21:49.20 | nkuttler | Horde: in windows |
| 21:49.22 | mhall | blizzard^: they are separate repos |
| 21:49.22 | pshaggy | I'm trying to get cups working w/ my usb printer and in the web admin I can see the printer but it has the message: "Unable to open USB device. usb:/dev/usb/lp0: No such device. Device URI: usb:/dev/usb/lp0" when I 'ls' /dev/usb it shows lp0 there. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:49.30 | jim | what address the machines behind the router are, the netmask, gateway and dns |
| 21:49.38 | km0ti0n | Horde: run ipconfig /all on one of you XP boxes that will give you all the ipinfo |
| 21:49.39 | mhall | blizzard^: but have mostly the same stuff in them until we get near a freeze for a new rel of debian |
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| 21:49.46 | stew | user12: look at /etc/init.d/module-init-tools, all it does is call modprobe for every line in that file |
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| 21:49.53 | user12 | stew - btw I'm using 2.6.12 kernel - compiled with a min install - no hotplug, etc. gnome-alsamixer does show all soundcards working though, just in the wrong order |
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| 21:50.17 | blizzard^ | mhall: ok, thanks. But why does /etc/debian_version say testing/unstable ? and not only testing or unstable? |
| 21:50.18 | stew | user12: what makes you say that it wasn't able to find the module |
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| 21:50.44 | Fox_1_ | how can i write in route mask? |
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| 21:51.02 | Horde | hang on |
| 21:51.07 | Horde | ipconfig |
| 21:51.10 | Horde | it uhm |
| 21:51.19 | Horde | it pops up a prompt and then quits it |
| 21:51.29 | Horde | i did this once |
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| 21:51.36 | Horde | but i cant remember what to put it |
| 21:51.49 | Horde | in* |
| 21:51.51 | jaybuffet | Horde: "cmd.exe" first |
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| 21:52.07 | stew | Fox_1_: what do you mean? |
| 21:52.09 | MrBallZ | sup guys, any recomendations on a good calendar, PIM kinda program, something that I can use offline and online, any takes ? =) |
| 21:52.23 | Fox_1_ | i write route add 12.12.12.0 gw 24.24.24.24 netmask 255.255.255.224, but it doesn't work |
| 21:52.29 | Horde | k |
| 21:52.42 | km0ti0n | Horde: as jaybuffet says open a command prompt or use ipconfig /all > c:\ip.txt |
| 21:52.44 | nkuttler | Fox_1_: man route, man ifconfig, man interfaces |
| 21:52.51 | Horde | ok got all taht info, the ip, mas, and the gateway |
| 21:52.51 | jim | the gw has to be in the same net as the network |
| 21:52.52 | stew | Fox_1_: route add -net 12.12.12.0 netmask 255.255.255.224 gw 24.24.24.24 |
| 21:52.56 | km0ti0n | that will pipe the result to the file |
| 21:53.01 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 21:53.23 | stew | Fox_1_: but you should probably not be calling route directly, you should be editing /etc/network/interfaces, man interfaces |
| 21:53.26 | Horde | pardon jim? |
| 21:53.38 | jim | oh, that's not for you :) |
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| 21:53.42 | jim | so you got all that? |
| 21:53.46 | Horde | yep |
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| 21:53.59 | jim | ok, what's the ip address and net mask? |
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| 21:54.01 | Fox_1_ | ok thanks |
| 21:54.04 | Horde | =-= |
| 21:54.11 | Horde | hmm |
| 21:54.17 | Horde | id rather not say public |
| 21:54.36 | Horde | lets call the ip is 444.444.444.444 |
| 21:54.41 | Horde | say* |
| 21:54.44 | stew | 210.86.84.183? |
| 21:54.54 | km0ti0n | heh |
| 21:55.06 | Horde | no thats not my IP |
| 21:55.11 | nkuttler | Horde: just tell him the damn ip |
| 21:55.28 | km0ti0n | Horde: you're talking about LAN ip's though? |
| 21:55.29 | jim | it's safe enough... it's -inside- your net |
| 21:55.36 | Horde | 192.168.0.182 |
| 21:55.38 | Horde | ip |
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| 21:55.48 | Horde | and mask is 255.255.255.0 |
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| 21:55.56 | km0ti0n | what's the gateway? |
| 21:56.02 | jim | ok, 0.1? |
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| 21:56.09 | km0ti0n | prob |
| 21:56.11 | Horde | yeah gateway is 0.1 |
| 21:56.39 | jim | ok, in the cmd.exe window, try this... |
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| 21:56.54 | jim | ping 192.168.0.190 |
| 21:57.05 | jim | we want to find an address that's NOT taken |
| 21:57.22 | Horde | request timed out |
| 21:57.30 | jim | good, that's our address |
| 21:57.33 | Horde | ok |
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| 21:57.58 | jim | horde: nano /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:58.21 | Horde | k |
| 21:58.30 | jim | then, see that line that reads "iface eth0 inet dhcp"? |
| 21:58.46 | Horde | yep |
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| 21:58.49 | jim | you want to change it so it reads "iface eth0 inet static" |
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| 21:59.02 | Horde | k |
| 21:59.07 | jim | then you need a buncha more lines... one sec |
| 21:59.32 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:59.56 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.17 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.40 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.07 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.53 | Supaplex | ~smack jim |
| 22:01.54 | apt | ACTION smacks jim upside the head. |
| 22:01.59 | Supaplex | ~nopaste |
| 22:02.00 | apt | methinks nopaste is http://nopaste.snit.ch/ or http://pastebin.com/, or preferably http://pastebin.ca/ |
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| 22:02.49 | Horde | ? |
| 22:02.54 | stew | unless you are doing something non-standard, you can ditch the network and broadcast lines |
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| 22:03.06 | jim | got all those lines in there? |
| 22:03.12 | Horde | yep |
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| 22:03.17 | Horde | it looks like |
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| 22:03.24 | jim | ok, now save the file |
| 22:03.25 | Horde | adress ****** |
| 22:03.28 | Horde | netmask ****** |
| 22:03.34 | Horde | network ***** |
| 22:03.40 | waterski1 | hey, i upgraded to 2.6 from 2.4, and eth0 stopped loading. i booted 2.4 again, and it worked perfectly. any ideas? |
| 22:03.42 | Horde | broadcast ***** |
| 22:03.48 | Horde | gateway **** |
| 22:03.50 | Horde | right? |
| 22:03.51 | waterski1 | im kinda retarded bout this stuff |
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| 22:04.10 | stew | waterski1: which driver? |
| 22:04.15 | stew | waterski1: which nic? |
| 22:04.19 | jim | right, and those lines should be right after iface eth0 inet static |
| 22:04.27 | user12 | stew - the reason my card doesn't load from /etc/modules is that it can't find the modules until it does the detecting hardware. Adding to /etc/modules seems to load before this and doesn't find any cards? I am really confused as to how alsa loads cards via being compiled into the kernel as a modules |
| 22:04.31 | Horde | under or after? |
| 22:04.42 | jim | below :) |
| 22:04.45 | waterski1 | stew: where is the log file for booting? |
| 22:04.47 | Horde | gotcha |
| 22:04.56 | jim | ok, save the file |
| 22:04.56 | Horde | and save and ifup the eth0? |
| 22:05.07 | stew | user12: oh they are compiled in? not as modules? |
| 22:05.07 | jim | yesh |
| 22:05.27 | jim | that will work unconditionally... we have to do more testing to see if it works |
| 22:05.29 | stew | waterski1: /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 22:05.31 | Horde | dont seem to have all the variables |
| 22:05.52 | jim | how do you mean |
| 22:05.59 | user12 | stew - well, I selected them during makemenuconfig - it puts an M next to them as modules but they might be compiled in |
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| 22:06.19 | BlurredWe | how do I turn on a given service that's in /etc/init.d in debian? |
| 22:06.21 | jim | well make sure they're spelled right |
| 22:06.25 | Horde | it says 'don't seem to ba have all the variables for eth0/inet.' |
| 22:06.26 | stew | user12: no if they are compiled in they have a * not an M |
| 22:06.34 | Horde | dont seem to be* |
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| 22:06.46 | user12 | stew - right, it said M but did not give the option for *. |
| 22:07.02 | stew | user12: becuase you had M for snd |
| 22:07.02 | jim | address, netmask, network, broadcast, gateway |
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| 22:07.15 | stew | user12: but anyway, its not correct that it needs to detect hardware before it can load modules |
| 22:07.17 | user12 | stew - probably - |
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| 22:07.24 | Horde | i ALWAYS screw aup adDress |
| 22:07.37 | jim | those are the correct spellings... make sure they're correct... computers are too dumb to correct your spelling L:) |
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| 22:08.09 | stew | user12: by not correct, i mean your analysis is not correct. hardware detection is never necessary |
| 22:08.19 | user12 | stew - all I know is that putting snd-usb-audio into /etc/modules doesn't load |
| 22:08.25 | user12 | it first |
| 22:08.29 | BlurredWe | so how do I turn on/off a service from the command line? there're aren't any rc.x directories (like other distros) |
| 22:08.29 | Horde | siocsifflags: device or resource busy |
| 22:08.41 | jim | ok, |
| 22:08.58 | valdyn | user12: why do you even try putting that module there? |
| 22:08.59 | jim | try: ifconfig eth0 down |
| 22:09.00 | user12 | stew - everything still loads, just loads my internal snd-ali5451 before my usb-snd-audio |
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| 22:09.15 | user12 | valdyn - not sure what you mean |
| 22:09.16 | VAnten^ | My monitors (dual head) flashes all the time. have whate i know the right drivers (fglrx), anny does know whate it can be and where to find help if this isent the right place? |
| 22:09.28 | dondelelcaro | VAnten^: flashes how? |
| 22:09.37 | wazzles | I am at the debian install screen on sarge that asks me software I want installed on my system, i got to this screen from base-config, there is a list of items which ones do I need to select? I figure i need desktop environment |
| 22:09.37 | valdyn | user12: why are you trying to put snd-usb-audio into /etc/modules ? |
| 22:09.40 | mtnman | bkyrredwe: /etc/init.d/fooservice [start|stop|restart] |
| 22:09.43 | ncp | the tightvnc installer to windows have buildin a webclient, does tightvnc to debian also have that? |
| 22:09.45 | Horde | shit |
| 22:09.51 | valdyn | user12: that's just silly |
| 22:09.57 | BlurredWe | mtnman: yes, but set it to start on boot... |
| 22:09.58 | Horde | i accidently typed if config0 down |
| 22:10.02 | Horde | i have no idea why |
| 22:10.13 | VAnten^ | it goes black and back again, every flash take about one sec so you can clearly see it |
| 22:10.22 | user12 | valdyn - stew suggested I try it to get this soundcard to load before my other soundcard |
| 22:10.22 | mtnman | blurredwe: man update-rc.d |
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| 22:10.38 | BlurredWe | thanks |
| 22:10.42 | mtnman | welcome |
| 22:11.09 | jim | the "if" may have put you in a weird state |
| 22:11.18 | Horde | yeah |
| 22:11.22 | Horde | it did |
| 22:11.26 | VAnten^ | it isent about dual head, i have the same problem with only one monitor |
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| 22:11.56 | jim | so try again: ifconfig eth0 down |
| 22:12.20 | Horde | nothing i only have an > |
| 22:12.34 | jim | ok, try typing fi |
| 22:12.35 | valdyn | user12: you might need to put your usb interface driver above snd-usb-audio, still its a silly idea as there is the index=X option that can be passed to any alsa device driver and there's probably no good reason why your usb audio thing must have index=0 |
| 22:12.39 | eeyore- | VAnten^: what kind of "flash"? is this LCD monitor? is it "flashing" because X switches mode but dies? |
| 22:12.43 | eeyore- | VAnten^: be more specific |
| 22:12.44 | jim | (a backwards if) |
| 22:12.59 | Horde | k |
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| 22:13.24 | jim | got your old prompt back? |
| 22:13.30 | Horde | eth0down: error fetching interface information: device not found |
| 22:13.31 | sad | how do i reconfigure xfree86 with that friendly debian walkthrough? |
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| 22:13.43 | jim | so try again: ifconfig eth0 down |
| 22:13.45 | nkuttler | !drxx sad |
| 22:13.46 | dpkg | sad: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:13.48 | jim | make sure the space |
| 22:14.07 | VAnten^ | one is lcd, one is crt, it doesent matter.. ehm how to explain. i can add that sound "lagg" if it playes at the same time as the monitors flash |
| 22:14.11 | Horde | oh |
| 22:14.14 | Horde | nope |
| 22:14.23 | Horde | it dosent do anything |
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| 22:14.29 | jim | ok, good... |
| 22:14.35 | jim | now try ifup eth0 |
| 22:14.39 | bahamat | for anyone with iptables kung foo, I'm trying to use -m random but it complains "no chain/target/match by that name" |
| 22:14.40 | eeyore- | VAnten^: it's probably X trying to switch mode and dies. read /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or Xorg.0.log) |
| 22:14.47 | VAnten^ | ok |
| 22:15.03 | nkuttler | Horde: it doesn't print an error == command worked (usually) |
| 22:15.04 | Horde | nope |
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| 22:15.11 | jim | no result? |
| 22:15.11 | bahamat | but I see lots of documentation, and I appear to be using it right |
| 22:15.18 | Horde | siocsifflags: device or resource busy |
| 22:15.45 | jim | ok, reboot the laptop (this should be last resort and all... but I'm hungry :P ) |
| 22:15.50 | Horde | lol |
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| 22:16.10 | jim | we want to test the setup anyways |
| 22:16.15 | Horde | ok |
| 22:17.07 | VAnten^ | is it double W (WW) to look for in the log or what is it? |
| 22:17.28 | jim | there is a tune called double w |
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| 22:17.42 | nkuttler | VAnten^: you're probably searching for (EE)s |
| 22:17.47 | VAnten^ | ok |
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| 22:18.04 | Horde | ok do i root login |
| 22:18.05 | Horde | ? |
| 22:18.15 | jim | yes |
| 22:18.27 | Horde | k |
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| 22:19.17 | valdyn | VAnten^: how did you install fglrx ? |
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| 22:19.37 | VAnten^ | i have found the problem, its with the nummbers of multisampling. |
| 22:19.44 | jim | Horde: try: ping 192.168.0.190 |
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| 22:20.21 | VAnten^ | i install them as it stod in the debian fglrx howto, writen by some ati guy |
| 22:20.46 | ma3x | how can i view cam with somebody who has winxp? |
| 22:20.51 | ma3x | what tool should i use ? |
| 22:20.55 | ma3x | gaim doesnt have any video |
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| 22:21.11 | jharrison | VAnten^: ati in debian is not at all difficult |
| 22:21.12 | Horde | k its pinging |
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| 22:21.14 | nkuttler | ma3x: well what does _he_ use? |
| 22:21.16 | golgotha | im setting up dns to host a few domains, i am told that i need separate ip address per domain name for each entry on the dns host provider |
| 22:21.24 | jim | Horde: ok, stop it and try: |
| 22:21.24 | ma3x | nkuttler, msn, netmeeting |
| 22:21.30 | jim | Horde: try: ping 192.168.0.182 |
| 22:21.34 | nkuttler | ma3x: apt-cache search netmeeting |
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| 22:21.58 | Horde | network is unreachable |
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| 22:22.14 | jim | are the cables connected? |
| 22:22.16 | user12 | stew - Error removing snd_usb_audio (/lib/modules/2.6.12-tfs/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko): Kernel does not have module unloading support |
| 22:22.18 | Horde | yep |
| 22:22.22 | VAnten^ | (EE) fglrx(1): Failed to allocate 6 sample colorMultiSampleBuffer buffer. |
| 22:22.22 | VAnten^ | (EE) fglrx(1): Attempting to drop back to a 4 sample multisampling. |
| 22:22.22 | VAnten^ | (EE) fglrx(1): Failed to allocate 4 sample depthMultiSampleBuffer buffer. |
| 22:22.22 | VAnten^ | (EE) fglrx(1): Attempting to drop back to a 2 sample multisampling. |
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| 22:22.40 | ma3x | nkuttler, what should i put in the h323:? filed |
| 22:22.42 | user12 | stew - does this mean that I have these modules compiled into the kernel? |
| 22:22.46 | ma3x | nkuttler, i mean field |
| 22:22.53 | nkuttler | Horde: call the people that configured the network and ask them how to add a machine |
| 22:22.57 | mortal5 | would someone tell me *why* debian is invading my kernel options despite a config file being no where in sight? |
| 22:23.01 | nkuttler | ma3x: what are you talking about? |
| 22:23.15 | Horde | hanf on |
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| 22:23.21 | ma3x | nkuttler, gnomemeeting vs netmeeting |
| 22:23.26 | VAnten^ | this is the only probems i got with ati and debian |
| 22:23.26 | StrongTag | i want to remove all packages on the target system that aren't available after the last apt-get update... is there a dpkg incantation that does that? I keep seeing stuff that looks close, but not exactly that |
| 22:23.30 | VAnten^ | and thats kind of smal problems compare with other distros i have used |
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| 22:23.36 | VAnten^ | and sorry for flood |
| 22:23.40 | Horde | ok i can add a machine to the dynamic dhcp clients list |
| 22:23.41 | nkuttler | ma3x: i don't use gnomemeeting |
| 22:23.41 | jim | mortal5: the config file is a hidden file |
| 22:23.43 | mark_ | if i set up PAM's limits.conf do I have to update anything? |
| 22:23.50 | stew | user12: no it means you didn't enable CONFIG_MODULE_UNLOAD |
| 22:23.50 | ma3x | well what does that h232 mean |
| 22:23.55 | ma3x | i mean h323 |
| 22:24.01 | nkuttler | ma3x: google it |
| 22:24.17 | mortal5 | jim: heh, there is no .config file, it's supposed to be using kernel defaults but it's not |
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| 22:24.34 | nkuttler | moreon: it? |
| 22:24.37 | ma3x | nkuttler, google it |
| 22:24.38 | user12 | stew, would this allow me to auto -remove these modules? |
| 22:24.39 | jim | mortal5: did you make mrproper? |
| 22:24.42 | nkuttler | gah |
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| 22:24.43 | Fox_1_ | in route table i have 62.89.0.0 192.168.102.87 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 gre4 |
| 22:24.47 | mortal5 | jim: yeah first thing |
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| 22:24.55 | Horde | ok i can add a machine to the dynamic dhcp clients list |
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| 22:25.05 | user12 | stew - meaning on the fly via modprobe -r |
| 22:25.14 | nkuttler | Horde: if you don't know how to do that ask them |
| 22:25.19 | jim | so debian must have altered the kernel source settings... did you get these sources from debian mirror? |
| 22:25.27 | stew | user12: yes |
| 22:25.31 | Horde | no i DO know how to |
| 22:25.36 | Fox_1_ | now i writting route del -net 62.89.0.0 gw 192.168.102.87 it write SIOCDELRT: No such process. why?????????? |
| 22:25.46 | nkuttler | Horde: great... why didn't you think of that before? |
| 22:25.59 | user12 | stew - and I have to recompile with CONFIG_MODULE_UNLOAD selected? |
| 22:26.16 | stew | user12: yes. is there a reason you are compiling your own kernel in the first place? |
| 22:26.17 | Horde | lol im not sure, i onlt jsut thaught about looking at the router through firefox... |
| 22:26.32 | user12 | stew - to run custom "finalscratch" software |
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| 22:26.44 | user12 | needs small kernel to run it seems |
| 22:26.55 | Horde | but how do i get the MAC adress for camlaptop |
| 22:26.56 | user12 | run smoothly that is |
| 22:26.57 | Horde | ? |
| 22:27.01 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 22:27.03 | nkuttler | Horde: ifconfig prints it |
| 22:27.27 | Horde | no it dont... |
| 22:27.37 | peppo | after some debian upgrades, using gcc-4 and g++-4 makes it impossible for me to compile certain things. autoconf/automake fails, like this: http://pastebin.com/382115 (see bottom) |
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| 22:27.41 | jim | try ifconfig eth0 |
| 22:27.59 | jim | the mac is in the paragraph |
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| 22:28.17 | Fox_1_ | in route table i have 62.89.0.0 192.168.102.87 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 gre4 |
| 22:28.19 | Fox_1_ | now i writting route del -net 62.89.0.0 gw 192.168.102.87 it write SIOCDELRT: No such process. why?????????? |
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| 22:28.38 | Horde | ok |
| 22:28.43 | Horde | hang on |
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| 22:28.58 | Horde | its already got an IP registerd with DHCP.... |
| 22:29.15 | Horde | but the host name is oldlaptop |
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| 22:29.32 | jim | the same mac address? |
| 22:29.37 | nkuttler | Horde: what is it? where do you get the host name from? |
| 22:29.41 | Horde | yep |
| 22:29.46 | mwilson | peppo: And? |
| 22:29.51 | Horde | its in the router settings thin |
| 22:29.52 | Horde | g |
| 22:29.55 | jim | ok, see if you can edit the name to be camlaptop |
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| 22:30.14 | Horde | hmm i dont think i can edit it |
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| 22:30.27 | Horde | but i can make a new one... |
| 22:30.33 | jim | can you open up the router so that you don't have to fill a table? |
| 22:30.46 | peppo | mwilson, there's something crazy going on with autoconf... thought someone might have a clue. I'm lost |
| 22:31.03 | Horde | what do you mean fill a table? |
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| 22:31.09 | yoo | hi ! |
| 22:31.20 | mwilson | peppo: How is there something going on with autoconf? Based on what you pasted, it's a simple problem of a library being missing. |
| 22:31.27 | yoo | i have a problem with my bt 878 card TV |
| 22:31.31 | MrBallZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.36 | yoo | tuner 2-0061: tuner type not se |
| 22:31.36 | jim | you have to put the mac in a table in the router... can you set it up so it doesn't need the table? |
| 22:31.39 | gravity | remind! |
| 22:31.43 | yoo | tuner 2-0061: tuner type not set |
| 22:31.45 | gravity | + wyrd I guess |
| 22:31.49 | mwilson | tkreimind |
| 22:31.50 | Horde | i can clone with a new name... |
| 22:31.55 | Horde | i think thats what you mean |
| 22:32.02 | StrongTag | i want to remove all packages on the target system that aren't available after the last apt-get update... is there a dpkg incantation that does that? |
| 22:32.02 | yoo | i had this options tuner type=4 |
| 22:32.03 | jim | try that |
| 22:32.04 | peppo | mwilson, thing is, when I have gcc and g++ linked to their 3.3.4 versions, it works. when I link it to 4.0 this happens. I need to compile sooperlooper with 4.0, because debian's wxgtk stuff is compiled with 4.0 |
| 22:32.06 | mwilson | MrBallZ: Or cursescal, maybe. |
| 22:32.07 | yoo | but the same |
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| 22:32.35 | jim | yoo: can't follow you... don't hit enter so much |
| 22:32.36 | mwilson | peppo: Oh, you're another one of those that breaks things by messing with the symlinks? Ah, you're on your own. |
| 22:32.45 | Horde | ok do i change the ip to 192.168.190? |
| 22:32.53 | jolygod | I've just installed debian, after selecting some packages (default desktop comp) I'm getting a blank screen after boot |
| 22:33.00 | jim | yeah |
| 22:33.02 | peppo | mwilson, oddly though, it was in here I was told to do that to select compiler. obviously it was said by a nutcase |
| 22:33.03 | jim | wait |
| 22:33.04 | Horde | k |
| 22:33.04 | jim | no |
| 22:33.07 | Horde | k |
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| 22:33.23 | jim | what ip is it now? |
| 22:33.34 | edon | why eclipse is not in unstable? |
| 22:33.45 | nkuttler | edon: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:33.46 | Horde | .168 but it expired |
| 22:33.52 | jolygod | somewhere along the way I remember selecting ati as graphics card... could anyone help |
| 22:33.55 | jim | why is anything not anywahre? |
| 22:33.56 | Horde | so itl be .178 |
| 22:34.13 | jim | ok |
| 22:34.14 | Gathond | edon: it is on my unstable |
| 22:34.31 | edon | Gathond, with what name |
| 22:34.48 | nkuttler | edon: you want to read man apt-cache |
| 22:35.01 | Gathond | edon: search for eclipse, there are several packages for each language plugins and the main platform thing |
| 22:35.07 | Azar | StrongTag: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 22:35.14 | edon | I searched for it but no results |
| 22:35.29 | edon | is it in non-free or something? |
| 22:35.43 | Gathond | edon: might be |
| 22:35.52 | jim | ok, once you do that, get rid of those extra lines after iface eth0 inet static, |
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| 22:35.58 | nkuttler | edon: well it probably depends on java |
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| 22:36.09 | jim | and then change that line so it reads iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 22:36.15 | mwilson | I can't imagine that Debian would package eclipse. |
| 22:36.17 | jolygod | edon: u can always just download and untar it... works smooth |
| 22:36.23 | wazzles | what type of mouse pointer do I need to select for a touch mouse pad on a dell laptop? |
| 22:36.26 | jolygod | (from eclipse.org that is) |
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| 22:37.00 | TwistedEmotionsO | deadcat: you there? |
| 22:37.06 | liable | wazzles: ps2 and /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice |
| 22:37.08 | StrongTag | thanks Azar, but that doesn't really answer my question :( |
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| 22:37.24 | jolygod | I need help on first install of debian... |
| 22:37.29 | Azar | jim the way I read it he might use one of those D-Link routers with online interface, he needs to groom it there |
| 22:37.32 | wazzles | liable: how do I get back to that screen to choose my mouse? |
| 22:37.35 | mwilson | But lo! eclipse is actually in unstable. |
| 22:37.41 | liable | !drxx wazzles |
| 22:37.42 | dpkg | wazzles: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 22:38.06 | peppo | so, anyone have any pointers on how to _properly_ switch compiler in debian? |
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| 22:38.35 | mwilson | peppo: Your basic mistake is that you've got the idea there's some sort of "switch" that has to take place. |
| 22:38.47 | Azar | StrongTag, you have asked about apt commands, there you got them, not a bad read anyways |
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| 22:39.06 | Horde_leader | sorry |
| 22:39.06 | mwilson | peppo: If you want to use a particular compiler, then do so. They all have names, they're all independent of each other. |
| 22:39.18 | Horde_leader | what was the nano i waas meant to open? |
| 22:39.24 | peppo | mwilson, so CC=gcc-4.0 ./configure would be sufficient? |
| 22:39.29 | StrongTag | i agree Azar. I don't actually care if it's an apt command, or a dpkg command, or a deb command |
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| 22:39.44 | jolygod | I'm having a graphics driver problem I think, how do I reconfigure my graphics driver? |
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| 22:39.47 | StrongTag | i just want to purge a system of packages that no longer show up in the repository |
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| 22:39.55 | Azar | StrongTag then I am not able to tell you nothing |
| 22:39.59 | gravity | !drxx jolygod |
| 22:39.59 | dpkg | jolygod: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:40.02 | percent20 | does anyone here use xsp? |
| 22:40.05 | edon | jolygod, it's pretty huge that one ~100MB |
| 22:40.10 | StrongTag | but I thank you for trying Azar :) |
| 22:40.10 | jolygod | gravity: 10 |
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| 22:40.17 | beardy | percent20: Try a better question. |
| 22:40.17 | mwilson | peppo: If that one pays attention to CC, yes. |
| 22:40.20 | jolygod | edon: yep |
| 22:40.26 | Horde_leader | jim? |
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| 22:40.54 | jolygod | edon: but also the easiet way I think |
| 22:41.08 | nkuttler | Horde_leader: man interfaces |
| 22:41.15 | peppo | so, I'm having issues with using CC=gcc-4.0 and CPP=g++-4.0 ./configure. it gives me this: http://pastebin.com/382122 |
| 22:41.18 | jolygod | just dl and untar... and assuming you have the proper jvm you're ready to go |
| 22:41.36 | Azar | Horde_leader, what type of ethernet card are you using? |
| 22:41.39 | nkuttler | Horde_leader: wait, run dhclient |
| 22:41.42 | Horde_leader | nono i need the whole thing, my short ter memory is atroshious |
| 22:41.55 | yanger | has anyone had issues with debian (amd64) and USB conntected CyberPower UPSes? (fails on usb_hide.c - usb_submit_urb(fail)) ? |
| 22:41.55 | percent20 | um, does anyone know much about what xsp installs when doing apt-get xsp? I am curios if there is a mono-xsp file in /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:42.01 | Horde_leader | whats dhcclient? |
| 22:42.05 | nkuttler | Horde_leader: all you need to know is in man interfaces |
| 22:42.07 | nkuttler | Horde_leader: a program |
| 22:42.16 | mwilson | peppo: Yes, the same paste from before. |
| 22:42.26 | mwilson | peppo: You may have to accept that whatever you're trying to build is not 4.x compatible. |
| 22:42.28 | X2 | bye, guys |
| 22:42.34 | mwilson | peppo: Any number of sources are not. |
| 22:42.43 | peppo | mwilson, hm, not according to its author |
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| 22:43.03 | wazzles | liable: thanks, i am in windowmaker now and my mouse is really flaky |
| 22:43.06 | peppo | mwilson, and debian's wxgtk2.4 was compiled with gcc4. |
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| 22:43.28 | wazzles | liable: the mouse works however it is jumpy and all over the screen |
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| 22:43.34 | Horde_leader | interfaces? |
| 22:43.35 | peppo | is there a way to check which compiler a package was compiled with? I'd like to investigate which compiler debian's version of this package -- sooperlooper -- was compiled with. |
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| 22:43.43 | nkuttler | Horde_leader: did you run dhclient? |
| 22:43.47 | jim | Horde, what's the status |
| 22:43.57 | mwilson | peppo: <shrug> So read the log, find out the specifics of why the test fails, fix it, and move on. I have no idea why you think Debian's build of wxgtk2.4 is relevant here. |
| 22:44.02 | Horde_leader | of? |
| 22:44.09 | jim | your net :P |
| 22:44.09 | Horde_leader | the status of? |
| 22:44.10 | Servo888 | Anybody know how one would figure out what chipset their USB / Firewire enclosure uses with out taking it apart? |
| 22:44.17 | Horde_leader | oh its working |
| 22:44.26 | Horde_leader | wait on what |
| 22:44.31 | yoo | Somebody can help me to configure a bt878 tuner card ? |
| 22:44.34 | jim | good :) on the debian box |
| 22:44.34 | mwilson | Servo888: Does the kernel log it? |
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| 22:44.46 | peppo | mwilson, no idea. thanks for the help. |
| 22:44.48 | stew | Servo888: lsusb -v? |
| 22:44.50 | jim | the thing we've been trying to config for the past 3 hours |
| 22:44.50 | Horde_leader | oh no, whats the thing i need to open with nano? |
| 22:44.51 | maher | Servo888: lsusb for usb |
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| 22:45.15 | Horde_leader | nano /something/network/something |
| 22:45.15 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.22 | Horde_leader | thats the one |
| 22:45.28 | Azar | :) |
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| 22:45.31 | ilpavox | anyone have a prblem where firefox keeps crashing.. i just installed a fresh copy of debian.. never had this problem before |
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| 22:45.35 | nkuttler | Horde_leader: as the first line of the man page would have told you |
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| 22:46.19 | beardy | nkuttler: He didn't (seem) know which manpage though. |
| 22:46.20 | Servo888 | maher, yah that's about as detailed as it gets. It's a maxtor enclosure so other than "Maxtor" no other identification is given. Oh well =\ Maybe google will get me some more information |
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| 22:46.30 | peppo | mwilson, here was the issue: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314970 |
| 22:46.32 | MrBallZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.34 | maher | Servo888: why do you need to know? |
| 22:46.36 | stew | ilpavox: what version does "dpkg -l mozilla-firefox" report? |
| 22:46.49 | nkuttler | beardy: yeah i only told him twice or so, wasn't enough probably |
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| 22:47.01 | Horde_leader | so it looks like 'iface eth0 dhcp'? |
| 22:47.04 | beardy | nkuttler: Ok, then there's no excuse. |
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| 22:47.10 | ilpavox | stew: 1.0.4.2 |
| 22:47.26 | stew | 1.0.4-2 ? |
| 22:47.27 | eonbleuz | how do i go about getting Gaim installed with the current ISO for debian being used? |
| 22:47.32 | eonbleuz | it gives me a libao2 error |
| 22:47.35 | OliverSCG | hello. I have I problem that some program works only from root . For example, I installed gtkam from aptitude and I can access my Digital Camera only from root . WHen I start from user, camera cannot be detecded. Or , another example. I installed SANE and upload firmware and when I start XSANE from user it cannot detect scaner , but it detects /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 , But when I start from root I |
| 22:47.36 | OliverSCG | have : device `gt68xx:libusb:003:003' is a Mustek BearPaw 2400 CU Plus flatbed scanner. So does somebody know what to do ? |
| 22:47.38 | Servo888 | maher, seems like a kernel bug with it - after transfering a large amount of files to the USB drive it dies (unmounts) and the usb system seems to die. It seems to interfere with the 1.1 devices as they do not come back on after the 2.0 harddrive dies |
| 22:47.40 | eonbleuz | but that i cannot install it because of some other package |
| 22:47.41 | Fox_1_ | route give me SIOCDELRT: No such process message. what that mean??????????????????????????// |
| 22:47.42 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 22:47.47 | nkuttler | !tell Fox_1_ about eb |
| 22:47.49 | mwilson | peppo: Debian *packages* whatever this thing is? Then whyinhell are you trying to build it yourself? |
| 22:47.49 | nkuttler | !tell Fox_1_ about ep |
| 22:47.54 | Fox_1_ | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 22:47.57 | Servo888 | maher, so I wanted to see if the chipset has any kernel bugs reported |
| 22:48.03 | eonbleuz | !tell eonbleuz about gaim |
| 22:48.13 | Fox_1_ | please answer to my question |
| 22:48.14 | peppo | mwilson, because the debian package freezes. |
| 22:48.16 | nkuttler | eonbleuz: you can /msg the bot |
| 22:48.16 | Horde_leader | oh btw this is Horde |
| 22:48.17 | jim | Fox_1_: that there is no such route to delete |
| 22:48.20 | beardy | Fox_1_: Calm down. |
| 22:48.20 | stew | ilpavox: the current version is 1.0.4-2sarge5, if you don't have this you need to add a security line to sources.list |
| 22:48.22 | Azar | OliverSCG as root add user to that group "video", "audio", etc |
| 22:48.27 | Horde_leader | i had to restart the router |
| 22:48.32 | stew | ilpavox: /msg dpkg security |
| 22:48.33 | maher | Servo888: that's more likely to be a bug with the usb chipset, not the external device |
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| 22:48.40 | ilpavox | stew: no that is what i have..1.0.4-2sarge5 |
| 22:48.47 | Horde_leader | jim what does that line look like? |
| 22:48.47 | Fox_1_ | but in rout table i have that line |
| 22:48.48 | peppo | mwilson, the GUI freezes, to be exact. it connects to the host, but there is some wxgtk problem that causes it to freeze. |
| 22:48.53 | stew | ilpavox: this version came out yesterday, it may be buggy, check the bts |
| 22:49.03 | Servo888 | maher, you mean the onboard controller? |
| 22:49.05 | jim | we first gotta get rid of the extra lines |
| 22:49.08 | Horde_leader | iface eth0 dhcp? |
| 22:49.09 | Loof | Quick little question... when running ssh-keygen is there any way to avoid inserting/change which 'hostname' shows up in the new keys? |
| 22:49.10 | mwilson | peppo: Why would that lead you to compiling it yourself? And even if it DID lead you to compiling it yourself, why wouldn't you use the Debian sources? |
| 22:49.12 | jim | like address, netmask, etc |
| 22:49.16 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 22:49.17 | Horde_leader | yeah done taht |
| 22:49.28 | ilpavox | stew: i'm slow.. what does bts stand for? |
| 22:49.33 | stew | ilpavox: /msg dpkg bts |
| 22:49.35 | Horde_leader | now the one taht i change looks like what? |
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| 22:49.42 | peppo | mwilson, no idea. everything's fucked |
| 22:49.44 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 22:49.45 | maher | Servo888: yes - a bug in the usb code that runs the usb controller in your pc - try with some different kernels and see which ones can reproduce the bug... |
| 22:49.47 | jim | then the line has to say iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 22:49.48 | stew | ilpavox: also try moving your ~/.mozilla out of the way and restarting and see if the problem persists |
| 22:50.06 | Horde_leader | ok |
| 22:50.10 | mwilson | You have no idea why you made the decision you did. Figures. |
| 22:50.17 | ilpavox | stew: ok thanks |
| 22:50.24 | peppo | mwilson, stupidity is the answer |
| 22:50.27 | Horde_leader | now do i ifup eth0 |
| 22:50.29 | Horde_leader | ? |
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| 22:50.35 | jim | yeah, you can try that |
| 22:50.36 | Servo888 | maher, ok - that's what I'll have to do - maybe even buy a cardbus controller instead =\ |
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| 22:50.52 | maher | Servo888: what kernel? |
| 22:51.02 | Horde_leader | hmmm |
| 22:51.09 | Horde_leader | it says network is down.... |
| 22:51.18 | peppo | would anyone here, running debian unstable, mind trying something? apt-get install sooperlooper and try to run "slgui". |
| 22:51.28 | jim | weird |
| 22:51.46 | Servo888 | maher, right now 2.6.13 stable |
| 22:51.50 | Loof | Hmm |
| 22:51.52 | jim | you're going to have to get help with setting the stuff up at the router |
| 22:52.02 | Loof | Is there a better place to ask my SSH question? |
| 22:52.10 | Horde_leader | ok |
| 22:52.14 | jim | I have no idea what's up with that thing or why it's a vpn router |
| 22:52.39 | Horde_leader | thanks for your help so far |
| 22:52.40 | stew | Loof: man ssh-keygen |
| 22:52.51 | jim | np... it's food time! |
| 22:53.03 | yanger | does debian come with xorg or xfree86? |
| 22:53.09 | jim | yes |
| 22:53.10 | Loof | stew: I did! |
| 22:53.19 | maher | Servo888: i'm on 2.6.12 and my usb and fw discs work most of the time - i get occasional timeouts on fw - if you have another machine take the usb drive and plug it in to the other one after it goes down - if it still works fine then the problem is probably with the host.... |
| 22:53.25 | Loof | stew: I don't see anywhere that I can change it! |
| 22:53.31 | jim | the released debian comes with xfree |
| 22:53.35 | jim | (sarge) |
| 22:53.45 | Loof | Clearly I'm tired and missing something obvious... |
| 22:53.55 | gravity | yanger: Sarge comes with xfree86. Testing and Unstable currently have Xorg |
| 22:54.02 | gravity | yanger: Etch will ship with Xorg |
| 22:54.03 | abrotman | gravity: you're alive! |
| 22:54.08 | gravity | abrotman: From time to time :-) |
| 22:54.17 | Fox_1_ | listen. in one comp i have 2 interface. first has 62.89.11.129 real ip address, second has 62.89.11.130 real ip address. first interface connected to internet. now when i ping to second comp it's unreacheble. whay i must add in route table ? PLEASE ANSWER |
| 22:54.17 | abrotman | gravity: did you get me playoff tickets? |
| 22:54.19 | stew | Loof: i'm sorry maybe there isn't a way, i was confused |
| 22:54.20 | gravity | abrotman: I've had all of like 10 minutes to work on Debian |
| 22:54.22 | jim | gravity: we're pullin for ya! |
| 22:54.23 | Loof | I still don't see anything in there. |
| 22:54.23 | gravity | abrotman: Ha! I wish! |
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| 22:54.27 | Servo888 | maher, oh a quick question - you don't buy chance run usb 1.1 devices with your harddrive? |
| 22:54.29 | gravity | abrotman: What'd you think of the series? |
| 22:54.36 | stew | gravity: hows 6.9? |
| 22:54.37 | Loof | Basically, at the end of the key it has <user>@<localhostname> |
| 22:54.37 | gravity | abrotman: I managed to catch a game or two |
| 22:54.47 | abrotman | gravity: i was drinking .. i only saw the last half of friday and last half of sunday |
| 22:54.48 | gravity | stew: On the backburner. I'm trying to polish off 6.8 |
| 22:54.51 | Loof | What I want is to do <user>@someother.com |
| 22:54.55 | Fox_1_ | whay=what |
| 22:55.05 | gravity | stew: I have about one or two bugs left in 6.8 that I need to fix before moving to 6.9 and 7.0 |
| 22:55.07 | Loof | I don't believe I can just edit that information without breaking the key |
| 22:55.07 | abrotman | gravity: my bday was sunday ... and the celebration started atl ike ... 1030am on saturday :) |
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| 22:55.24 | gravity | abrotman: Happy birthday! |
| 22:55.28 | Fox_1_ | heiii |
| 22:55.35 | abrotman | gravity: i'm an old fart! |
| 22:55.39 | maher | Servo888: i have both usb 1 and usb 2 devices |
| 22:55.40 | gravity | abrotman: How old? |
| 22:55.47 | abrotman | gravity: you know .. for my bday .. you could get me sox playoff tix!!! |
| 22:55.56 | gravity | abrotman: With my massive student stipend! |
| 22:55.59 | abrotman | gravity: just old enough to wear an umbrella hat with no shame! |
| 22:56.07 | gravity | abrotman: I saw the pic. You looked shocked :-) |
| 22:56.20 | abrotman | gravity: i took it in a hurry before i left on friday |
| 22:56.22 | abrotman | gravity: 29 |
| 22:56.26 | gravity | Wow |
| 22:56.30 | abrotman | what? |
| 22:56.40 | gravity | Not quite 30. Live it up! |
| 22:56.44 | abrotman | oh thanks |
| 22:56.51 | abrotman | i've already picked a plot |
| 22:56.52 | stew | 29 doesn't qualify for old fart status |
| 22:56.58 | gravity | Do it! Spend this year on drugs and whores! |
| 22:57.03 | gravity | Next year will be books and stores |
| 22:57.07 | stew | heh |
| 22:57.10 | jim | you might as well since you'll never live that hat down :) |
| 22:57.15 | Servo888 | maher, yah that's interesting - when I disconnect my 1.1 devices (and reboot) I don't get the harddrive issues. *sigh* |
| 22:57.19 | abrotman | damog sent it to me! |
| 22:57.22 | Fox_1_ | ????????? |
| 22:57.27 | abrotman | it was the least i could do |
| 22:57.51 | Loof | Interesting |
| 22:57.57 | abrotman | of course .. he didn't have to blog it |
| 22:57.57 | Loof | It looks like that last part MAY be optional |
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| 22:58.07 | peppo | would anyone here, running debian unstable, mind trying something? apt-get install sooperlooper and try to run "slgui". |
| 22:58.21 | abrotman | is it a game?!?!!? |
| 22:58.31 | maher | Servo888: is everything going into the same usb hub? check the usb2 hd is actually talking to the usb2 hub not the usb1 one |
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| 22:58.31 | Fox_1_ | abyone hear me?????????? |
| 22:58.32 | Fox_1_ | asf |
| 22:58.32 | Fox_1_ | Asdf |
| 22:58.32 | Fox_1_ | a |
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| 22:58.41 | Fox_1_ | jkvh;' |
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| 22:58.46 | abrotman | !wb Fox_1_ |
| 22:58.47 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Fox_1_ has returned! |
| 22:58.50 | stew | Fox_1_: debhelper seems to hear you |
| 22:59.25 | maher | peppo: did you read the bugs for sooperlooper |
| 22:59.25 | Servo888 | maher, the harddrive is on it's own input on the laptop (which might be a hub itself). And I have my 1.1 devices on an external hub (which is 2.0 as wel) |
| 22:59.26 | abrotman | so wait .. noone likes the hat? |
| 22:59.40 | stew | nope |
| 22:59.44 | maher | Servo888: ok - i dunno - have fun debugging the usb stack |
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| 22:59.52 | peppo | maher, yes. gives no hints to me |
| 23:00.04 | ecobit | is it generally a good idea to reboot after an upgrade of libstdc++ ? |
| 23:00.12 | abrotman | sure .. why not |
| 23:00.14 | Servo888 | maher, yup - that's going to take a lot of time =\ thanks for the info though |
| 23:00.18 | abrotman | reboot whenever you want |
| 23:00.22 | abrotman | there are no rules |
| 23:00.26 | ecobit | haha |
| 23:00.44 | Fox_1_ | i don't understand you don't understand what i want? |
| 23:00.51 | ecobit | seriously, would it only matter on a major version upgrade, because the running system coudl get messed up? |
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| 23:01.47 | dondelelcaro | Fox_1_: either ask your question, or go elsewhere. |
| 23:02.20 | Fox_1_ | listen. in one comp i have 2 interface. first has 62.89.11.129 real ip address, second has 62.89.11.130 real ip address. first interface connected to internet. now when i ping to second comp it's unreacheble. whay i must add in route table ? PLEASE ANSWER |
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| 23:03.09 | simonrvn | don't demand answers. it's impolite, and unwarranted |
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| 23:03.53 | abrotman | what's the netmask/gateway on each NIC ? |
| 23:04.00 | Gnea | simonrvn: ok what the *FUCK*! i DEMAND to know WHY there is NO kernel-source-2.6.11 in unstable anymore. and i want to know NOW!! :) |
| 23:04.06 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 23:04.14 | Gnea | j/k |
| 23:04.15 | simonrvn | heh |
| 23:04.27 | Fox_1_ | abrotman 255.255.254.0 |
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| 23:04.27 | stew | 2.6.11 is for loosers |
| 23:04.33 | simonrvn | brb, need food |
| 23:04.40 | simonrvn | loosers? |
| 23:04.41 | Gnea | actually i am looking for the .deb of that and noticed it's not there anymore, along with most of the rest of the kernel-source |
| 23:04.52 | abrotman | so you're saying that your IPs are 1IP away .. and your netmask is /23 ? |
| 23:04.58 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.05 | abrotman | yeah .. /23 .. i think |
| 23:05.06 | Gnea | stew: yeah, us tight-asses run 2.6.12 mostly |
| 23:05.07 | abrotman | anyways |
| 23:05.13 | F-Lelo | Does anyone any article about intrusion toleration systems that involves debian installations? |
| 23:05.24 | scx | someone you knows how can I convert macOSX icons to... .png, .svg, or something alike ? |
| 23:05.35 | Gnea | F-Lelo: www.securityfocus.org |
| 23:05.36 | abrotman | if you knew which format they were in now maybe |
| 23:05.45 | Gnea | F-Lelo: lots of them |
| 23:05.54 | cureless | scx: I think there are some comertial programs out there that do it, but I haven't used any. |
| 23:05.56 | F-Lelo | glad to know, Thanks Gnea |
| 23:06.17 | scx | cureless: I see, tnkz |
| 23:06.18 | Fox_1_ | abrotman no sorry first 255.255.254.0, second 255.255.224.0 |
| 23:06.30 | abrotman | Fox_1_: and the gateway for each ? |
| 23:07.07 | Fox_1_ | abrotman for first 195.250.88.1 |
| 23:07.43 | Fox_1_ | abrotman second i think first comp |
| 23:08.04 | abrotman | Fox_1_: what? |
| 23:08.24 | Fox_1_ | for second comp gateway is first comp |
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| 23:09.29 | abrotman | Fox_1_: either i'm really bad at helping people .. or you're bad at explaining :) |
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| 23:10.35 | Kovecses | whats up guys? |
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| 23:10.47 | cureless | a space tourist |
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| 23:11.16 | abrotman | well .. apparently that was the correct answer |
| 23:11.34 | Tortel | oMg |
| 23:11.36 | Tortel | :P |
| 23:11.50 | Kovecses | u guys are gay |
| 23:11.52 | abrotman | Tortel: stop! |
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| 23:12.01 | abrotman | Kovecses: done? |
| 23:12.04 | abrotman | !tell Kovecses about gay |
| 23:12.12 | Kovecses | lol |
| 23:12.15 | Kovecses | oops |
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| 23:12.51 | stew | Fox_1_: you machine has two network cards, one is 62.89.11.129/23 and the other is 62.89.11.130/19? that seems odd. what ip are you trying to ping? |
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| 23:13.05 | madsquid | hello |
| 23:13.13 | Jackel | Any suggestion's for a lightweight p2p program? |
| 23:13.14 | abrotman | Kovecses: DO NOT msg people without permission |
| 23:13.22 | abrotman | gtk-gnutella is the only one i know |
| 23:13.25 | madsquid | anyone out there using the PPC port? |
| 23:13.32 | abrotman | stew: what he's suggesting .. not possible is it ? |
| 23:13.33 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 23:13.33 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 23:13.34 | Jackel | aww that's the one im currently using |
| 23:13.38 | azeem | madsquid: according to popcon.debian.org, yes |
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| 23:13.47 | stew | abrotman: possible certainly. correct, almost definately not |
| 23:13.53 | madsquid | thanks |
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| 23:14.03 | Kovecses | abrotman, i thought you were the one that advised msg???? |
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| 23:14.06 | albino | Anyone with experience locking an account so that ssh key autorization as well as password entry fail? |
| 23:14.09 | stew | abrotman: i think the cance that he actually controls a /19 is quite slim |
| 23:14.09 | azeem | but according to popcon.debian.org, people are using hurd-i386 as well, so who knows? |
| 23:14.13 | abrotman | stew: i mean .. the IPs are 1 numberal apart .. and therefore included within the other's netmask |
| 23:14.24 | abrotman | Kovecses: to the bot maybe .. not to me |
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| 23:14.34 | stew | abrotman: you can do this, but you probably don't want to |
| 23:14.35 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:14.45 | abrotman | azeem: damn lies/statistics |
| 23:14.53 | Jackel | green_earz: thank's ill check it out |
| 23:14.55 | Kovecses | abrotman, are you really gonna get that bent out of shape? |
| 23:14.59 | abrotman | stew: yeha .. i think if you do a bridge .. not as a router afaik |
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| 23:18.00 | *** topic/#debian is GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | /msg dpkg sarge firefox | X.org in sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 23:18.03 | tawfik | abrotman: I already have mplayer, do I need any other plugin? |
| 23:18.10 | abrotman | tawfik: w32codecs |
| 23:18.12 | nephlim | how would i set permission for /home/user/public_html so that all can read and exeacute? |
| 23:18.19 | abrotman | all who? |
| 23:18.22 | Kovecses | tawfik, w32codecs maybe? |
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| 23:18.27 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 23:18.28 | abrotman | all the web processes? .. all the users ? |
| 23:18.32 | nephlim | anyone who hits the site |
| 23:18.33 | doubleukay | Fox_1_, have you checked whether ip forwarding is enabled? |
| 23:18.48 | doubleukay | Fox_1_, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 23:18.48 | nephlim | sorry, it's for apache2 |
| 23:18.52 | abrotman | nephlim: 755 ? |
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| 23:19.40 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
| 23:19.41 | nephlim | chomd 755 /home/user/public_htlm would let all see the page "domain.com/~user" ? |
| 23:19.43 | abrotman | stupid PSU students |
| 23:19.46 | nog | Fox_1_: doing |
| 23:19.48 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:20.12 | abrotman | root: you cannot speak here with that username |
| 23:20.14 | Kovecses | abrotman, your mean |
| 23:20.18 | abrotman | Kovecses: you're |
| 23:20.19 | Fox_1_ | it write 0 |
| 23:20.23 | abrotman | Kovecses: and i went to PSU .. so shut it |
| 23:20.28 | nog | Fox_1_: doing "route add 62.89.11.130 255.255.255.255 62.89.11.134" on the first computer doesnt work? |
| 23:20.40 | cureless | nephlim: you need the http server user (nobody, apache, whatever) to be able to read the directory. Make sure the directory has "5" for that user. For example, if it's not in the same group, then the "other field." So 755 should work, also it should have access to the ~ directory too, so 755 there too. |
| 23:20.48 | Kovecses | abrotman, ok um no |
| 23:20.52 | nog | actually thats wrong |
| 23:20.55 | doubleukay | Fox_1_, you'll need it enabled in order to route packets from the internet to 62.89.11.130. |
| 23:21.05 | Kovecses | abrotman, who are you to tell me to shut it |
| 23:21.07 | doubleukay | Fox_1_, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 23:21.11 | nephlim | cool, thanks |
| 23:21.18 | abrotman | Kovecses: who are you to tell me i'm mean |
| 23:21.19 | nephlim | i'll tes tit out and let you know |
| 23:21.25 | stew | Fox_1_: edit /etc/network/options and set ip_forward to yes |
| 23:21.27 | Kovecses | abrotman, why dont you just act like a human being |
| 23:21.27 | Fox_1_ | nog it doesn't work |
| 23:21.29 | nog | Fox_1_: on the first computer do "route add 62.89.11.130 62.89.11.134" |
| 23:21.32 | tawfik | Kovecses: Is there a plugin so that Mozilla FireFox would be able to play .mov files too? |
| 23:21.46 | cureless | abrotman: yes, you're mean, like average, like median, but not exactly so. |
| 23:21.49 | abrotman | Kovecses: why don't you act like a normal person .. leave ma lone |
| 23:21.51 | abrotman | me alone |
| 23:21.52 | Kovecses | tawfik, mozilla-mplayer |
| 23:22.11 | Kovecses | abrotman, sure thing |
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| 23:22.13 | Fox_1_ | nog it write no such device |
| 23:22.25 | abrotman | yay .. no more Kovecses ... my life is complete! |
| 23:23.01 | Kovecses | abrotman is offended what a little bitch |
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| 23:23.20 | Kovecses | cries in a CHATROOM |
| 23:23.23 | Kovecses | no life |
| 23:23.24 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:23.26 | simonrvn | um people, /ignore |
| 23:23.50 | abrotman | simonrvn: but .. then i can't be mean .. or something |
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| 23:23.58 | nog | Fox_1_: ahh... lemme get on my debian box and see what it likes |
| 23:24.00 | Kovecses | dude ENOUGH |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:24.14 | abrotman | poor guy |
| 23:24.24 | gravity | Calm down |
| 23:24.25 | Kovecses | you gotta keepp goin |
| 23:24.31 | Fox_1_ | nog how? |
| 23:24.36 | scx | * scx: pooh pooh |
| 23:24.39 | gravity | Kovecses: Just use /ignore please |
| 23:24.39 | zinx | Kovecses: hello friend |
| 23:25.34 | nephlim | cureless: "drwxr-xr-x 2 dan dan 4096 2005-09-12 00:51 public_html |
| 23:25.49 | cureless | nephlim: looks good. |
| 23:26.01 | nephlim | and i'm getting a 403 forbidden though |
| 23:26.16 | tawfik | Ok, there isn't any mozilla-mplayer, so, how do I play .mov files in mozilla? |
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| 23:26.20 | cureless | nephlim: did you change the home directory permissions too? ls -lad ~ |
| 23:26.35 | stew | !info mozilla-mplayer sarge |
| 23:26.45 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 2.70-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
| 23:26.45 | abrotman | i think ~ has to be 711 .. not even 755 .. |
| 23:26.53 | stew | tawfik: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 23:27.09 | MrBallZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.14 | cureless | true, all it needs is execute, no need for read permissions. |
| 23:27.31 | nephlim | drwxr-xr-x 2 dan dan 4096 2005-09-12 00:51 /home/dan/public_html |
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| 23:27.39 | nephlim | that was ls -lad |
| 23:27.42 | ircops | hey how do you remove the requirement for +o for lobotomy on a blootbot? |
| 23:27.47 | Mxyzpltk | Fox_1_: what you're trying to do, with the info you're providing, makes little sense and is a bit odd, I think you need to understand how and why one routes, and what subnets are... if you want, start at http://www.firewall.cx/ip-subnetting-intro.php |
| 23:27.47 | cureless | nephlim: run this: "ls -lad ~" |
| 23:28.00 | cureless | I guess -ld would work too. |
| 23:28.02 | tawfik | stew: I know how to use apt-get and/or synaptic, what I need is a plugin that will allow mozilla firefox to play .mov files |
| 23:28.13 | stew | tawfik: mozilla-mplayer |
| 23:28.20 | stew | tawfik: and w32codecs |
| 23:28.35 | nephlim | dan@debian:~$ ls -lad ~ |
| 23:28.35 | nephlim | drwxr-x--- 36 dan dan 4096 2005-09-27 21:52 /home/dan |
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| 23:28.56 | cureless | nephlim: you need to chmod o+x /home/dan |
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| 23:29.04 | abrotman | or a+x |
| 23:29.12 | simonrvn | that's 750, you need minimum 711 |
| 23:29.17 | cureless | once again, abrotman is right |
| 23:29.24 | nephlim | BOOYAH |
| 23:29.27 | nephlim | it worked |
| 23:29.35 | nephlim | you guys rox mein sox |
| 23:29.40 | nephlim | thanks |
| 23:29.46 | tawfik | stew: E: Couldn't find package mozilla-mplayer |
| 23:29.58 | stew | tawfik: again, /msg dpkg contrib |
| 23:30.10 | nephlim | so now all users can just chmod 755 and chmod o+x their own public_html too right |
| 23:30.15 | abrotman | cureless: don't tell anyone else .. i'm mean! |
| 23:30.26 | tawfik | stew: ok, so what repository should I add? |
| 23:30.29 | nephlim | and .com/~user will work for them too right? |
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| 23:30.38 | stew | 19:29 < stew> tawfik: again, /msg dpkg contrib |
| 23:31.08 | tawfik | stew: it only explains on how to edit the repository list, that is all |
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| 23:31.18 | mikesol | tawfik: you need marillat |
| 23:31.21 | mhz | anyone Could please help me see what I am doing so wrong in my try to install via PXE??? |
| 23:31.35 | abrotman | nephlim: iirc .. the public_html dirs need to be 755 and then your own $HOME needs o+x |
| 23:31.39 | stew | mikesol: he doesn't mozilla-mplayer in the contrib repositories |
| 23:31.43 | tawfik | I already added ftp.nerim.net |
| 23:31.47 | cureless | nephlim: they need o+x on their homes (/home/user) and o+rx on their public_htmls. |
| 23:31.51 | mikesol | you need mplayer for it though. http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 23:31.55 | nephlim | abrotman: okay, got it |
| 23:31.57 | nephlim | thanks |
| 23:32.05 | stew | tawfik: add contrib after main in your debian sources |
| 23:32.08 | nog | Fox_1_: try this, "route add 62.89.11.130 eth0" |
| 23:32.20 | stew | nog: are you just randomly guessing? |
| 23:32.24 | abrotman | stew: you gave up on fox? |
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| 23:32.50 | nog | stew: haha actually yea, because im really a fbsd person and i figured the route command worked the same |
| 23:33.13 | nog | Fox_1_: reading back through your setup.. it needs to be eth1 not eth0 |
| 23:33.19 | stew | nog: that wouldnt' help him even on fbsd |
| 23:33.45 | nog | stew: then i am reading it wrong then. |
| 23:34.44 | stew | Fox_1_: when you "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" do you get 1 or 0? |
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| 23:34.52 | Fox_1_ | 0 |
| 23:35.09 | abrotman | i'm still pretty sure he can't do what he's trying to do |
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| 23:35.11 | stew | Fox_1_: edit /etc/network/options, change ip_forward to yes, and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 23:35.20 | stew | abrotman: why not? |
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| 23:35.29 | stew | abrotman: you see that he revised what ip his eth0 has |
| 23:35.29 | Fox_1_ | listen |
| 23:35.38 | abrotman | stew: nope |
| 23:35.44 | abrotman | stew: i was busy being mean :) |
| 23:35.45 | Fox_1_ | i need to delete one row from route table |
| 23:35.52 | Fox_1_ | thats my problem |
| 23:35.53 | RvGaTe | hi @ all, *waves* |
| 23:35.54 | stew | abrotman: being a whiny bitch iirc |
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| 23:36.05 | Fox_1_ | i have 62.89.0.0 192.168.102.87 255.255.224.0 UG 0 0 0 gre4 |
| 23:36.14 | Fox_1_ | how can i delete it? |
| 23:36.16 | abrotman | stew: yes .. very much so .. i cried in the CHATROOM! |
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| 23:36.28 | stew | Fox_1_: route del -net 62.89.0.0 netmask 255.255.224.0 gre4 |
| 23:36.40 | tawfik | stew: It ruined all of my packages now, it says:W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 23:36.51 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 23:36.53 | Fox_1_ | it's work |
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| 23:37.22 | stew | tawfik: man sources.list |
| 23:37.23 | moya | nog: I asked for something for automate the backup, not something to run the tool itself |
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| 23:37.37 | maher | moya: i use dirvish |
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| 23:38.16 | tawfik | stew: couldn't you please give me some more detailed explanations? |
| 23:38.18 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
| 23:38.24 | stew | tawfik: or paste your sources.list to #flood or use paster (don't paste here) |
| 23:38.27 | shimano55 | Question, How can I get apache to start-up when I boot to Debian??? |
| 23:38.28 | abrotman | root: you cannot speak in #debian when you irc as root |
| 23:38.35 | robin_sz | so .. the current batch of "iran" defacemtns infecting various Linux based boxes around the planet ... whats that exploiting then? and when/hwat should we be keeping an eye out for a patch for? |
| 23:38.38 | abrotman | shimano55: /etc/init.d/README |
| 23:38.54 | stew | shimano55: use update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 23:38.58 | abrotman | shimano55: and the debian apache package has init scripts for apache |
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| 23:39.04 | abrotman | kjk137: yay! |
| 23:39.10 | kjk137 | stupid mistake |
| 23:39.18 | kjk137 | how do I install kde? |
| 23:39.18 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: same thing as it always is, people not deploying patches when they should. |
| 23:39.21 | maher | robin_sz: they're all suse boxes - probably just unpatched |
| 23:39.32 | kjk137 | or, what is the bots name this week |
| 23:39.41 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 23:39.41 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:39.44 | thingfish | what I want to know is why these bots don't pick someone deserving to harass, like #redhat or #fedora. |
| 23:39.45 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 23:39.45 | dpkg | it has been said that install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 23:39.48 | robin_sz | maher: lot of free bsd boxen too |
| 23:40.14 | maher | robin_sz: if you don't hear otherwise assume that someone forget to do their security updates |
| 23:40.16 | tawfik | stew: I pasted it |
| 23:40.22 | shimano55 | abrotman, ya, but I installed the source package |
| 23:40.38 | abrotman | shimano55: apache-common should have it i think ... |
| 23:41.21 | abrotman | oh .. nope .. it's in apache package for apache1 and apache2-common for apache2 |
| 23:41.36 | robin_sz | maher: yep, always good to have a regular patching procedure. |
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| 23:41.41 | mikesol | i need to kill twenty minutes here before i can leave work. what's an amusing debian package that i can fuck with |
| 23:41.48 | tawfik | stew: I pasted it to #flood |
| 23:41.57 | maher | mikesol: cowsay |
| 23:41.58 | abrotman | mikesol: cowsay |
| 23:41.59 | robin_sz | maher: we patch ours every 6 months whether they need it or not |
| 23:42.10 | mikesol | oh come on |
| 23:42.18 | abrotman | mikesol: filters? |
| 23:42.21 | abrotman | mikesol: enigma ? |
| 23:42.30 | mikesol | enigma, is that that game with the black ball |
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| 23:42.35 | abrotman | !free time |
| 23:42.35 | dpkg | `apt-get install enigma` will solve that |
| 23:42.42 | abrotman | mikesol: yes |
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| 23:42.45 | mikesol | fucks yeah |
| 23:42.51 | mikesol | thanks you guys. |
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| 23:42.58 | abrotman | that was it ? |
| 23:43.03 | tauros_shell | boa noite |
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| 23:43.18 | maher | robin_sz: put security.d.o in your sources and subscribe to the security announcements list |
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| 23:43.23 | abrotman | portuguese ? |
| 23:43.31 | robin_sz | gah ... I really must upgrade this laptop to a recent debian from RH7.2 |
| 23:43.39 | unique311 | i'm having some problems with a user i just created, i can't view anything outside of its folder. and i want it to have access to root folder. Can anybody help me with this? |
| 23:43.41 | abrotman | robin_sz: oh .. that's so wrong :) |
| 23:43.57 | abrotman | unique311: normal users dont' have access to root |
| 23:43.58 | robin_sz | maher: yeah, I was joking about the 6 months thing |
| 23:43.59 | abrotman | unique311: normal users dont' have access to root's folder |
| 23:44.06 | stew | tawfik: hmm that actually looks correct to me |
| 23:44.28 | nog | moya: cron a shell script that runs the backup commands.. you cant ask for any more "configureable" tool than that |
| 23:44.34 | robin_sz | abrotman: no kidding. its just sooooo old. |
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| 23:44.48 | tawfik | stew: I pasted something else also |
| 23:44.51 | abrotman | robin_sz: i have a RH7.3 box at work .. i pray every day it will implode |
| 23:44.52 | moya | nog: i'll give irvish a try |
| 23:45.02 | abrotman | just a single one .. |
| 23:45.07 | moya | nog: s/irvish/dirvish/ |
| 23:45.09 | robin_sz | abrotman: cant even run a reasonable eclipse version on this chunk |
| 23:45.19 | tawfik | stew: I think I found the solution |
| 23:45.26 | abrotman | robin_sz: jeez .. i just can't imagine why :) |
| 23:45.26 | tawfik | I forgot to apt-get update |
| 23:45.28 | maher | abrotman: feed it some processed cheese via its ps fan |
| 23:45.29 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: FOLDER!?!?!?!? |
| 23:45.31 | scarynetworkguy | :P |
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| 23:45.47 | abrotman | maher: oh .. that would work!!! .. sometimes i'm so stupid(and mean) |
| 23:45.48 | tawfik | stew: thanks, u've been helpful, it works now |
| 23:45.50 | unique311 | so how can i make it so that he can view outside of the home folder? |
| 23:46.10 | abrotman | unique311: you mean you can't even look in /tmp/ ? |
| 23:46.25 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: ROOM! |
| 23:46.26 | sandman | Why is it that vga=791 works with kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, but not with kernel-image-2.6.8 (which I compiled out of kernel-sources-2.6.8, and used make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image to build) |
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| 23:46.37 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: YAHOO! |
| 23:46.47 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: STRIPPERS! |
| 23:46.49 | robin_sz | abrotman: its the Gtk thats to blame |
| 23:46.50 | sandman | vga=791 just blanks out the console; I can't see anything, but X still starts up and works. |
| 23:46.53 | abrotman | wait .. what was the topic again? |
| 23:47.00 | sandman | But with kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, it works |
| 23:47.01 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: BEER! |
| 23:47.03 | abrotman | robin_sz: because eclipse3 uses gtk2 ? |
| 23:47.07 | sandman | The configuration is the same |
| 23:47.10 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i like this game ..! |
| 23:47.16 | robin_sz | abrotman: yeah |
| 23:47.22 | sandman | With both kernels. Only difference is: I built one myself, and the other I downloaded directly |
| 23:47.31 | robin_sz | abrotman: and fscked If I can buld gtk2 from source |
| 23:47.33 | unique311 | abrotman: no i can't |
| 23:47.34 | abrotman | robin_sz: i bet it could be made to work .. but it's not worth the effort |
| 23:47.36 | EvilSporkMan | how does one correct a dpkg response? |
| 23:47.36 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Me too..! |
| 23:47.46 | unique311 | his limited to his folder in home |
| 23:47.49 | EvilSporkMan | "based on Debian" refers to Lindows when it should say Linspire |
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| 23:47.57 | abrotman | unique311: then something is wrong |
| 23:48.03 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 23:48.03 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 23:48.18 | robin_sz | "somthing is worng, something is terribly worng" .. famous quote |
| 23:48.22 | abrotman | dpkg: based on debian =~ s/Lindows/Linspire/ |
| 23:48.22 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 23:48.40 | abrotman | unique311: your system uses chroot/jail ? |
| 23:49.13 | sandman | I can see that nobody cares |
| 23:49.13 | hackeron_ | sandman: diff /boot/config-2.6.8-2-686 /boot/config-2.6.8 |
| 23:49.18 | hackeron_ | sandman: I care :) |
| 23:49.22 | sandman | hackeron_: Nothing |
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| 23:49.27 | sandman | There is no difference |
| 23:49.34 | abrotman | does one use initrd and the other not ? |
| 23:49.48 | sandman | I told you they're the exact same config |
| 23:49.57 | abrotman | that wasn't what i asked |
| 23:50.18 | sandman | I told you tey both use initrd I used make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 23:50.29 | abrotman | then i missed that :) |
| 23:50.30 | abrotman | sorry |
| 23:50.32 | sandman | It's okay :) |
| 23:50.38 | sandman | It's an odd problem, I know. |
| 23:50.40 | abrotman | carry on .. i'll stand out of the way and let hackeron_ fill your brain |
| 23:51.03 | sandman | No, I appreciate giving attention to it, I didn't mean to sound mad when I said "I TOLD YOU grRR" |
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| 23:51.15 | sandman | Although I'm sure that's how it sounded. Any attempt is appreciated |
| 23:51.41 | abrotman | it's ok .. i'm mean :) |
| 23:51.49 | hackeron_ | sandman: very strange indeed. Are all the modules in /lib/modules/ the same also? |
| 23:52.50 | sandman | hackeron_: No |
| 23:52.53 | sandman | They're no hte same |
| 23:52.55 | poseidon | how do i use grep properly |
| 23:53.01 | poseidon | i want to search in a dir |
| 23:53.04 | sandman | There's no initrd file in the dir I created |
| 23:53.05 | poseidon | all files containing a certain text |
| 23:53.08 | poseidon | whats teh command? |
| 23:53.13 | poseidon | recursive |
| 23:53.21 | hackeron_ | sandman: what dir? |
| 23:53.29 | abrotman | grep text * |
| 23:53.34 | poseidon | thats it? |
| 23:53.35 | abrotman | poseidon: man grep is good reading |
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| 23:54.01 | nog | poseidon: you want it to look in the files for a certain "string"? |
| 23:54.03 | abrotman | poseidon: an .. grep -R text * |
| 23:54.04 | sandman | hackeron_: The dir that was created when I installed the kernel-image deb |
| 23:54.40 | poseidon | grep: memory exhausted |
| 23:54.44 | poseidon | hrmz |
| 23:54.45 | nog | poseidon: fgrep -R "text like this" * |
| 23:54.47 | abrotman | sandman: is it possible .. one has nvidia stuff or something? |
| 23:54.51 | hackeron_ | sandman: ah, indeed, I have the same thing, the stock kernel has /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/initrd/vesafb.ko, my kernel doesnt, hmmmmmm |
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| 23:55.38 | sandman | Actually my kernel doesn't have initrd at all |
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| 23:55.42 | sandman | Even though I specified --initrd |
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| 23:55.53 | nog | poseidon: i think grep has an option -F that does the same as fgrep |
| 23:56.01 | poseidon | i get memory exhausted |
| 23:56.02 | poseidon | after 2 hits |
| 23:56.02 | hackeron_ | sandman: what about trying apt-build source linux-2.6.8-1-386? or does a kernel get built strictly with build-kpkg? -- Dont really know the debian dev policies enough yet :) |
| 23:56.32 | hackeron_ | sandman: well, how can it not? -- it would fail to mount root unless you're using ext2 |
| 23:56.53 | sandman | hackeron_: I'm using ext3, however it can be mounted as ext2 of course |
| 23:57.13 | hackeron_ | sandman: oh, yeah, thats true |
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| 23:58.57 | abrotman | poseidon: what kind of files are these? |
| 23:59.31 | hackeron_ | wow, I get a Segmentation fault when I run apt-build source linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8 - why is that? |
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