| 00:00.12 | maher | Atula: php5 is not in stable - only php4 |
| 00:00.20 | bobby | using debian as a gateway (nat routing) and for some reason we can't get active ftp to reply...the iptable rules seem to be correct. can any one assist? |
| 00:00.20 | Atula | thanks |
| 00:00.43 | Gnea | !+info gimp-print |
| 00:00.46 | dpkg | gimp-print: (print plugin for the GIMP), section graphics, is optional. Version: 4.3.99+cvs20050901-1 (sid), Packaged size: 105 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
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| 00:00.59 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.00 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.16 | maher | bobby: do you have the ftp iptables modules loaded? |
| 00:01.25 | CrocoJet | anyone can help me to find problem with nvidia drivers ? |
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| 00:01.29 | ricky_clarkson | How can I shrink a Windows XP (NTFS) partition?# |
| 00:01.36 | maher | ricky_clarkson: ntfsresize |
| 00:02.14 | interbird | Gnea: You are missing my point I think; If gutenprint is going to replace gimp-print but is not ready yet, why remove gimp-print plugin from testing ? |
| 00:02.22 | bobby | maher, unsure, give me a moment |
| 00:02.32 | CrocoJet | I make the file nvidia-kernel-2.6.12-1-k7 with "debian/rules binary_modules" |
| 00:02.33 | Gnea | interbird: because it's testing. |
| 00:02.45 | CrocoJet | but I think that get some errors |
| 00:02.55 | ricky_clarkson | maher: Cheers. |
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| 00:03.06 | xWin2 | Hello ! |
| 00:03.08 | bobby | maher, would the module look like iptables-ftp or similar... or be some thing randomish? |
| 00:03.11 | bobby | else no |
| 00:03.14 | bobby | hi xWin2 |
| 00:03.17 | bobby | ! |
| 00:03.45 | interbird | Gnea: That's an argument yes. OK. -- Thanks for your feedback Gnea. |
| 00:03.47 | xWin2 | i need help with my pcmcia wireless |
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| 00:04.30 | maher | bobby: try lsmod | grep ftp |
| 00:04.52 | bobby | maher, no I don't have it loaded |
| 00:05.04 | maher | interbird: sometimes testing breaks - maybe someone messed up |
| 00:05.08 | bobby | is it required for active ftp to pass through the gateway? |
| 00:05.26 | ricky_clarkson | Is it legal to use unsecured wireless networks everywhere, without asking the network owner?> |
| 00:05.27 | maher | bobby: umm... load it? i don't know how you're meant to enable it - try the iptables docs |
| 00:05.45 | maher | ricky_clarkson: i don't think anything is legal everywhere :) |
| 00:06.09 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, in the UK then. |
| 00:06.14 | deadcat | gravity: still 6.8.2? |
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| 00:06.27 | bobby | thanks maher |
| 00:06.56 | beardy | ricky_clarkson: Probably, but some of them can be deliberately open, so sniff for passwords and so on. |
| 00:06.58 | interbird | maher: I know that, but testing also strives to be stable; so I'm surprised that the print-plugin is not included while gutenprint is not ready -- it breaks unnessecaily i think. |
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| 00:07.26 | beardy | to* |
| 00:07.29 | maher | ricky_clarkson: probably not given the exteremly broad terms of the recent computer misuse act - but the chances of you being noticed let alone prosecuted are small i would say |
| 00:07.45 | Trebaum | what type of filesystem does linux consider ntfs? |
| 00:07.45 | ricky_clarkson | beardy: I tend to use Cisco VPN client if I'm typing passwords in the clear. |
| 00:08.10 | Trebaum | ? |
| 00:08.18 | maher | ricky_clarkson: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1990/Ukpga_19900018_en_2.htm#mdiv1 |
| 00:08.19 | ricky_clarkson | Trebaum: ntfs. |
| 00:08.27 | rando_ | lol |
| 00:08.29 | beardy | Trebaum: A filesystem, called ntfs. |
| 00:08.53 | Trebaum | lol... ok this is my problem.. it won't let me mount it |
| 00:08.55 | maher | interbird: well maybe some one made a mistake - check the bts / file a bug / get over it |
| 00:09.12 | ricky_clarkson | maher: 1.b) - guilty. |
| 00:09.15 | beardy | Trebaum: No ntfs support in your kernel? |
| 00:09.21 | Rando | damn it |
| 00:09.25 | Trebaum | i'm using sarge... |
| 00:09.56 | maher | ricky_clarkson: how do you know the access is unauthorized? maybe they left it open deliberately for other people to use |
| 00:09.58 | beardy | Trebaum: Should be mountable then, if you're using a stock kernel. |
| 00:10.03 | Rando | www.google.com/search?q=debian+ntfs |
| 00:10.17 | Trebaum | yep... well hold on i will give you the exact error it gives me |
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| 00:10.50 | interbird | maher: Thanks, I'm over it. I just put the old plugin back and it works fine. Took me some time to solve it though. Thanks. |
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| 00:11.38 | Trebaum | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblick on /dev/hda2, missing codepage or other error |
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| 00:11.54 | Trebaum | err bad superblock |
| 00:12.00 | beardy | or other error, haha.. |
| 00:12.01 | Rando | what comman? |
| 00:12.05 | Rando | *command? |
| 00:12.14 | Rando | did you use that is. |
| 00:12.22 | beardy | Trebaum: The exact command you used? |
| 00:12.31 | Trebaum | sudo mount /dev/hda2 -t ntfs /mnt/test |
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| 00:13.10 | beardy | Trebaum: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/test |
| 00:13.25 | Rando | it shouldn't matter |
| 00:13.37 | Trebaum | same error |
| 00:13.44 | Rando | are you sure that hda2 is the right drive? |
| 00:13.46 | beardy | Trebaum: Run su instead. |
| 00:14.01 | da_bon_bon | how do i get an interface to start on bootup ? |
| 00:14.04 | Rando | that shouldn't matter beardy |
| 00:14.06 | interbird | Trebaum: Maybe first chkdsk the FS from within windows and then try to mount it -- ntfs is mountable (ro) |
| 00:14.08 | caphuso | da_bon_bon: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:14.13 | Trebaum | yea... cause i have a 500Mb bootable fat partition and then my ntfs partition |
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| 00:14.14 | beardy | Rando: No, probably not. |
| 00:14.29 | dvs | Trebaum: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 00:14.30 | da_bon_bon | by default, are interfaces brought up on boot ? even eth0 ones ? |
| 00:14.31 | Rando | it's formatted NTFS, right? |
| 00:14.45 | maher | Trebaum: try file -s /dev/hda2 (as root) |
| 00:14.51 | Rando | and it is the first drive on the master on the first IDE? |
| 00:14.57 | ricky_clarkson | maher: Has ntfsresize ever been known to result in data loss? |
| 00:15.08 | caphuso | da_bon_bon: no |
| 00:15.14 | da_bon_bon | great |
| 00:15.26 | da_bon_bon | i dont want my eth0 to be brought up one boot |
| 00:15.27 | maher | da_bon_bon: if it says in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:15.28 | da_bon_bon | :) |
| 00:15.51 | da_bon_bon | maher: it says what ? the man page is not informative about bootup |
| 00:15.53 | maher | ricky_clarkson: i would assume so - it worked for me last time i used it |
| 00:15.55 | bratner | hi! i have set up a bugzilla on my Sarge-box. I have real trouble understanding the premission scheme (and logic) of this tool. The docs on the official site and the remarks in bugzilla itself don't make much sence to me (i tried reading the code too). Can anyone refer me to a better source of information? or maybe more appropriate place to ask? |
| 00:16.10 | Trebaum | dvs: I don't have fdisk |
| 00:16.17 | Rando | ricky_clarkson, http://www.google.com/search?q=ntfs-resize+data-loss |
| 00:16.17 | da_bon_bon | is it the "auto" line that decides whether or not to start the interface at bootup ? |
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| 00:16.33 | Trebaum | maher: i tried that and it says x86 boot sector, code offset 0x48 |
| 00:16.36 | caphuso | da_bon_bon: is that what man 5 interfaces says? |
| 00:16.39 | maher | da_bon_bon: if there is an auto line in interfaces it brings the interface up when /etc/init.d/networkign start is run - which happens in the boot process |
| 00:16.50 | dvs | !find util-linux sarge |
| 00:16.51 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'util-linux' (2): util-linux ;; util-linux-locales. |
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| 00:17.00 | Danar | how do you delete a line in vim? |
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| 00:17.06 | gravity | Danar: dd |
| 00:17.08 | Rando | press d twice |
| 00:17.09 | bratner | danar: dd |
| 00:17.09 | ricky_clarkson | Danar: dd |
| 00:17.12 | Rando | lol |
| 00:17.17 | Danar | heh... thanks |
| 00:17.22 | error403 | Does anybody know what gnustep_ssnd is, and why it would be running on my system>? |
| 00:17.23 | Danar | isn't there a CTRL+something? |
| 00:17.30 | interbird | Trebaum: No fdisk ? |
| 00:17.36 | Rando | cfdisk then? |
| 00:17.36 | dvs | Trebaum: util-linux is a mandatory package so you must have it |
| 00:17.38 | da_bon_bon | ok, thanks, maher |
| 00:17.58 | Rando | cfdisk /dev/hda |
| 00:17.58 | ricky_clarkson | Danar: If there is, #vim might know. |
| 00:18.01 | caphuso | Danar: ctrl-u in insert mode, IIRC |
| 00:18.02 | dvs | Trebaum: Anyways, listen to maher's suggestion it works too |
| 00:18.07 | Danar | caphuso, thanks |
| 00:18.16 | beardy | Trebaum: use the full path, /sbin/fdisk |
| 00:18.26 | Trebaum | yea beardy that was the problem... thanks |
| 00:18.33 | beardy | Trebaum: If /sbin is not in your path |
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| 00:19.03 | interbird | beardy: good troubleshootin' |
| 00:19.06 | dvs | Trebaum: is it /dev/hda2? |
| 00:19.18 | Trebaum | dvs:yes it is |
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| 00:19.30 | dvs | Trebaum: As least we know for sure ;-) |
| 00:19.35 | maher | Trebaum: do you have ntfs listed in /proc/filesystems |
| 00:20.12 | beardy | interbird: :) |
| 00:20.19 | Trebaum | and i got fdisk to work... but it comes back and says that my hda2 is a win95 ext partition and my ntfs partition is hda5 |
| 00:20.25 | Trebaum | well i have answered my own question |
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| 00:20.49 | zerve_the_death | lol |
| 00:20.50 | dvs | Trebaum: ;-) |
| 00:21.00 | beardy | Trebaum: Seems like you have yes :) |
| 00:21.21 | interbird | :-) |
| 00:21.29 | Trebaum | Its working now... gracious thank you's to all of you |
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| 00:22.17 | Danar | caphuso, ctrl+u deletes the line above. what about deleting the current line? |
| 00:22.25 | xWin2 | how to configure wireless in Elive distro? |
| 00:22.28 | caphuso | Danar: #vim |
| 00:22.30 | Danar | i've tried looking through the help, but it's a maze... :/ |
| 00:22.53 | caphuso | and ctrl-u doesn't delete the line above, it deletes to the previous line beginning |
| 00:22.58 | beardy | xWin2: Please ask in that distributions channel. |
| 00:23.31 | Danar | caphuso, oh. well i tested it on blank lines :p |
| 00:23.34 | caphuso | which is, if you're at the beginning of line 2, the one of line 1 |
| 00:24.22 | xWin2 | ok |
| 00:24.24 | Danar | #vim isn't answering |
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| 00:25.14 | beardy | Danar: It must have a help mode, and a tutorial, doesn't it? |
| 00:25.27 | Danar | beardy, as i said, it's a maze |
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| 00:25.37 | Danar | beardy, i can't find what i'm looking for :/ |
| 00:25.42 | bob2 | Danar: dd |
| 00:25.46 | caphuso | vimtutor is useless, and vim's help a bad joke :-/ |
| 00:25.49 | Danar | bob2, in insert mode |
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| 00:26.09 | beardy | caphuso: That makes and editor less good. |
| 00:26.11 | beardy | an |
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| 00:26.31 | gravity | vim's help is great |
| 00:26.37 | Xenguy | caphuso: absolutely not true |
| 00:26.42 | beardy | Which is it, good or bad? |
| 00:26.51 | ricky_clarkson | vimtutor is fine. |
| 00:26.58 | maher | Danar: try vigor |
| 00:27.05 | gravity | vimtutor is seriously limited, but it does its job |
| 00:27.10 | Xenguy | Danar: that's a jok (maher) |
| 00:27.11 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: even the nvi intro covers more stuff |
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| 00:27.34 | ricky_clarkson | vimtutor isn't really an intro into what vim is, it just gets you started. |
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| 00:27.51 | cacto | hello guys |
| 00:27.58 | Xenguy | #vim is a good place to start too |
| 00:28.07 | Danar | arg. it's a simple function. one i figured out before, but i can't remember now |
| 00:28.07 | beardy | Danar: Try google for a good reference card? |
| 00:28.11 | interbird | hi cacto |
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| 00:28.52 | cacto | Im seeking some help about managing a open source project |
| 00:29.00 | cacto | can someone help me? |
| 00:29.11 | lemur | what kind of help? |
| 00:29.11 | interbird | maybe |
| 00:29.22 | jerome | I don't really get how sync apps work with my palm. If I don't press hotsync button on the palm craddle, no device are created and the app complains about it. However it still asks me to "press hotsync button" again ... |
| 00:29.39 | Xenguy | Danar: in insert mode? Ctrl-O dd |
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| 00:29.42 | cacto | about version management |
| 00:29.51 | cacto | work division |
| 00:29.57 | cacto | this kind of stuff |
| 00:30.01 | interbird | jerome: use gnome applet -- works fine here |
| 00:30.08 | lemur | jerome: in most cases you'll have to press the hot sync button on your palm first |
| 00:30.09 | Xenguy | cool, my daughter's listening to green day :P |
| 00:30.15 | lemur | unless the program is actively waiting for a connection |
| 00:30.27 | lemur | midori no hi |
| 00:30.29 | Danar | Xenguy, that wasn't it. takes too long when deleting many lines |
| 00:30.48 | cacto | (about hotsync, does anybody knows how to connect a Windows CE 1.0 device to debian?) |
| 00:30.50 | Xenguy | Danar: let me know when you find out then :-) |
| 00:30.50 | caphuso | Danar: you know about using counts, right? |
| 00:30.54 | Danar | there was something simple, like ctrl+something |
| 00:31.07 | Danar | caphuso, no |
| 00:31.07 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 00:31.09 | karsten | Is there a shell tool to create a temporary directory similar to 'tempfile'? |
| 00:31.12 | Xenguy | Ctrl-O 5dd |
| 00:31.19 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: mktmp ? |
| 00:31.28 | ricky_clarkson | mktemp? Can't remember exactly. |
| 00:31.33 | snerfu | is there are package I need to get the ifconfig list commands to work? |
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| 00:31.50 | Danar | i did something before where i deleted everything on a line with one simple command like ctrl+something in insert mode |
| 00:31.51 | Xenguy | snerfu: example |
| 00:31.52 | Xenguy | ? |
| 00:32.05 | Danar | and remained in insert mode |
| 00:32.07 | snerfu | ifconfig ath0 list caps |
| 00:32.07 | interbird | cacto: maybe first develop and then version ? |
| 00:32.13 | Danar | allowed me to make a lot of quick edits |
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| 00:32.28 | Danar | i can't remember how i did it now :( |
| 00:32.28 | Xenguy | Danar: there is Ctrl-K and Ctrl-W and Ctrl-U too, yes |
| 00:32.30 | Xenguy | ? |
| 00:32.34 | cacto | it is halfdone |
| 00:32.37 | Danar | Xenguy, maybe one of those |
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| 00:32.38 | predius_ | can anyone recommend a good terminal font which works with utf8? |
| 00:32.40 | jahrules | does anyone happen to know where the conf file that tells X11 what bus to look for vid card is stored? |
| 00:32.46 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Thanks, checking. |
| 00:32.46 | cacto | but its just me working on it |
| 00:32.47 | Xenguy | Danar: play with those maybe |
| 00:32.50 | cacto | I want to share it |
| 00:32.59 | maher | cacto: do you have a website |
| 00:33.06 | Danar | Xenguy, heh, ctrl+k turns the cursor blue o.O |
| 00:33.15 | karsten | jahrules: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or appropriate, if I understand your question. |
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| 00:33.20 | cacto | just a forum |
| 00:33.30 | interbird | cacto: What are you working on ? (If I may ask) |
| 00:33.33 | Xenguy | Danar: whaaa? that's not right |
| 00:33.33 | cacto | and it is in brazillian portuguese |
| 00:33.36 | maher | cacto: just post the code on the web somewhere |
| 00:33.37 | karsten | jahrules: The discovery stuff may work differently. Prolly /proc/pci or /proc/bus/* |
| 00:33.39 | cacto | sure |
| 00:33.39 | Danar | ctrl+u doesn't delete the right line |
| 00:33.42 | cacto | a 3D game =-) |
| 00:33.50 | cacto | thats what Im doing |
| 00:33.59 | cacto | but I dont want to work alone |
| 00:34.02 | Xenguy | Danar: then Ctrl-KU is the best I can suggest |
| 00:34.09 | Xenguy | Danar: otherwise yer on yer own |
| 00:34.18 | beardy | Danar: Not a reference "card" exactly, but anyway http://www.cmrr.umn.edu/~strupp/vim-3.0.refcard.html |
| 00:34.26 | interbird | cacto: Act like Linus :-) |
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| 00:34.40 | Danar | Xenguy, well, i hit ctrl+k and the cursor went blue with a ?. i hit DEL and it inserted this: <DEL> |
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| 00:35.04 | Xenguy | Danar: yeah, I tried too and they don't work... |
| 00:35.08 | jahrules | well its a sarge install that im running on my buddies comp and its looking in PCI:3:0:0 i edited the XF86config-4 file and added the bus in there but its still looking in pci 3 |
| 00:35.09 | cacto | I would love to do it, but how? what exactly he did? |
| 00:35.10 | Xenguy | Danar: I'm out of ideas |
| 00:35.16 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Um. It's "mktemp", and yes, it's what I want. |
| 00:35.31 | Arsion | does anyone know which package allows me to remove usb cdroms without it throwing up an error and preventing the usb from working again with its reinserted? |
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| 00:35.42 | Xenguy | Danar: Myself, I just hit 'Esc' and do what I need to do :P |
| 00:35.44 | Danar | well thanks |
| 00:35.48 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: Sorry, I didn't mean to be helpful. I'll be careful in future. |
| 00:35.52 | jahrules | ill look in proc/bus though |
| 00:36.09 | litage | sshd is told in its conf file to listen on 10.0.0.10, which is the host's ip address. but when sshd is running, ``netstat -tlp'' says sshd is listening on 172.41.168.202.com. why would that be? |
| 00:36.10 | Xenguy | Danar: np, good luck |
| 00:36.13 | Danar | Xenguy, it's too inefficient to switch back and forth to insert mode |
| 00:36.25 | jerome | lemur, interbird : I found out that strangely, debian links /dev/pilot to /dev/ttyUSB1 (mine is ttyUSB0) no matter wgat I say in dpkg-reconfigure pilot-link |
| 00:36.26 | Danar | i did it really fast before :( |
| 00:36.29 | Xenguy | Danar: I disagree |
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| 00:36.42 | Xenguy | Danar: anyway, if there is a faster way, I'm all ears |
| 00:36.51 | mfrisch | Can anyone help me set up transparent proxy in squid, no luck so far? |
| 00:36.59 | lemur | jerome: that is unusual. when I connect my palm, it registers BOTH ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 |
| 00:37.06 | interbird | cacto: It's not clear yet but it has to do something with the open and closed paradigmas... |
| 00:37.07 | Danar | Xenguy, i can't remember, nor figure it out again it seems... but if i figure it out before i leave... :p |
| 00:37.28 | Xenguy | Danar: thanks, I'll keep my eyes open too |
| 00:37.37 | cacto | not very clear to me what that means, but thanks |
| 00:38.15 | jerome | lemur: it does the same here, however ttyUSB1 doesn't seem "functionnal" |
| 00:38.30 | lemur | my experience is that palm connectivity sucks |
| 00:38.39 | lemur | on my box, at least |
| 00:38.45 | interbird | jerome: Yeh, I know; I just put the hard-link to ttyUSBxx in my config -- also depends if you are using udev |
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| 00:39.25 | cacto | wall, thanks guys! |
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| 00:39.41 | interbird | jerome: But, once configured it works -- the Palm is also kinda strange as it is not present before you sync |
| 00:40.02 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Yeah, you should watch that. |
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| 00:40.09 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ... people might start relying on it. |
| 00:40.19 | mo1991 | does anyone know where I can find a deb of the recent source for wlan |
| 00:40.40 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: Yeah, then some DDs will come and tell me to stop helping people. |
| 00:40.44 | ricky_clarkson | Or something. Apparently. |
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| 00:41.00 | Arsion | does anyone know which package allows me to remove usb cdroms without it throwing up an error and preventing the usb from working again with its reinserted? |
| 00:41.20 | caphuso | Arsion: err, umount first? |
| 00:41.22 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ... Debian would become all popular and stuff... |
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| 00:41.31 | mo1991 | meaning a .deb of the source for wlan.ng |
| 00:41.37 | Arsion | caphuso: i do that |
| 00:41.38 | CrocoJet | how to install gcc-4.0.1 ? |
| 00:41.44 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ... and ppl wldd start sAng r u a girl on #debian and stuff. |
| 00:41.54 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: The funny thing is I don't have any Debian machines running at the minute. |
| 00:42.01 | interbird | Arsion: Check the "hotplug" scripts |
| 00:42.03 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Definitely a dangerous scene... |
| 00:42.13 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Heh. |
| 00:42.25 | Arsion | interbird: where is that at? |
| 00:42.52 | CrocoJet | anyone can help me how to install gcc-4.0 ? |
| 00:42.57 | ricky_clarkson | I'm running Windows XP and ssh'ing to a RedHat (I think) machine in a continent I've never been to. |
| 00:43.01 | karsten | CrocoJet: aptitude install ... |
| 00:43.28 | ricky_clarkson | Yeah, RedHat 7.3. |
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| 00:43.31 | interbird | Arsion: /etc.hotplug -- google for: linux hotplug |
| 00:43.40 | Arsion | CrocoJet: Have you tried using apt-get install gcc-4.0? |
| 00:43.56 | interbird | Arsion: Sorry: is /etc/hotplug |
| 00:44.11 | CrocoJet | Arsion, , but I am getting this error ... "gcc-4.0: Depend: binutils (>= 2.16.1) " |
| 00:44.23 | Danar | oh well :/ |
| 00:44.29 | lemur | there is always aptitude |
| 00:44.44 | mo1991 | can someone help me with linux-wlan-ng installation? |
| 00:44.49 | mo1991 | their site is down |
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| 00:45.12 | interbird | Arsion: Try using volume-labels for pen-drives in fstab -- i found this to work fine -- makes a pendrive independant of sdxy |
| 00:45.13 | Arsion | CrocoJet: then do apt-get install gcc-4.0 binutils |
| 00:45.19 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 00:45.21 | CrocoJet | let me see |
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| 00:45.39 | _JAMP_ | alguém do Brasil no canal??? |
| 00:45.43 | ricky_clarkson | !br |
| 00:45.43 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:45.44 | el_cubano | The BIOS on my main system died. I am waiting for the new BIOS to arrive from the motherboard manufacturer. In the meantime, I need to access some information that is on the hard drive(s). They are setup in RAID1. If I pop out a drive and place it in an external enclosure to access the information, will it cause me problems when I boot the system back up with the new BIOS? |
| 00:45.48 | CrocoJet | same error |
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| 00:45.53 | _JAMP_ | !br |
| 00:45.53 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:46.01 | interbird | JAMP: Nee, daar was ik gisteren |
| 00:46.33 | CrocoJet | !de |
| 00:46.33 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 00:46.54 | CrocoJet | interesting .. commands |
| 00:46.56 | _JAMP_ | dpkg, valeu |
| 00:47.18 | CrocoJet | dpkg eh um bot |
| 00:47.27 | karsten | For bash, trap, is there a general "trap on error" type invocation rather than listing a slew of signals? |
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| 00:47.53 | _JAMP_ | CrocoJet, ehehe blz, valeu |
| 00:47.53 | interbird | JAMP_: dpkg <br> |
| 00:48.00 | CrocoJet | i am getting problems dependencies |
| 00:48.10 | jmd | How do I get scp to read from stdin ? |
| 00:48.10 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: usa la canal #bash por favor. |
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| 00:48.51 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: thx |
| 00:49.06 | interbird | JAMP_: Look-out for dpkg! -- It's a robocop that can put you in jail if you don't behave and speak esperanto |
| 00:49.06 | ricky_clarkson | de nada. |
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| 00:49.28 | Arsion | CrocoJet: weird, normally, apt is suppose to install all dependancies as well |
| 00:51.13 | Arsion | mo1991: i would help you, but i had problems getting that myself for mine. I ended up having to go to the store and buy another pcmcia wlan card |
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| 00:51.52 | jerome | lemur, interbird : seems to work nicely now. I now need to find out how to import the GPS data that I grep with it. |
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| 00:52.19 | alienbrain | jmd, you can use back ticks |
| 00:53.59 | jmd | alienbrain, I don't see how that helps. I was hoping for something like tar -c /foo | scp - me@somemachine:/home/me |
| 00:54.47 | mo1991 | Arsion - do I need to have the wlan package and the wlan-modules package? |
| 00:54.47 | interbird | jerome: GPS data ? -- hmm, try me |
| 00:54.49 | ricky_clarkson | jmd: tar -cf somefile.tar /foo |
| 00:55.00 | astronut | man and debconf don't look so good with LANG set to en_US.UTF-8...is there some setting i need to change? |
| 00:55.06 | ricky_clarkson | jmd: scp somefile.tar me@somemachine:/home/me |
| 00:55.27 | jmd | ricky_clarkson, No good. somefile.tar is too big to fit on the disk. |
| 00:55.46 | jmd | That's why I want scp to read from a stream |
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| 00:55.57 | Gentoo_basic | ¿Soporta Linux ASP (no es que yo lo quiera, para hosting, pues muchos lo hacen en ASP, digo)? |
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| 00:56.16 | ricky_clarkson | Gentoo_basic: no usa espanol aqui, por favor. /j #debian-es |
| 00:56.23 | Arsion | mo1991: i think just the wlan package and wireless-tools |
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| 00:56.44 | Gentoo_basic | rick_clarkson: I know. |
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| 00:56.52 | mo1991 | Arsion - what are the modules for then? |
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| 00:57.20 | Arsion | mo1991: oh, and if your having trouble getting the linux-wlan driver, you might be able to get it using apt-get...i saw a mirror with it. Not sure. |
| 00:57.26 | ricky_clarkson | Gentoo_basic: y debian no es gentoo! ASP es soporta en apache en mod_asp I think. |
| 00:57.30 | Damienk | hey all, I have a .fr version of debian running here, is there a way I can type a command in console and download and install the english components? |
| 00:57.35 | cddesjar | how do i make the windows translucent in gnome 2.10? |
| 00:57.42 | Gentoo_basic | Thank you. |
| 00:57.45 | maher | Damienk: dpkg-reocnfigure locales |
| 00:57.51 | Gentoo_basic | I know Debian is not gentoo! |
| 00:57.58 | Damienk | maher thx :) |
| 00:57.58 | Gentoo_basic | I use Debian. |
| 00:58.11 | Brhatcher | I just completed an install and got to the login prompt... Got a GDB error related to the display Can anyone suggest a quick fix? |
| 00:58.13 | ricky_clarkson | su nick es muy confusionante. |
| 00:58.14 | interbird | Damienk: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:58.40 | astronut | !utf-8 |
| 00:58.41 | dpkg | it has been said that utf-8 is Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read ... |
| 00:58.58 | astronut | hmm |
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| 01:00.01 | astronut | interbird: you see my question? |
| 01:00.32 | interbird | astronut: no, sorry, lookin' |
| 01:00.45 | Arsion | i'm getting an error that kills one of the debs: trying to overwrite '/bin/chggrp', which id also in package coreutils. Subprocess paste killed by signal (broken pipe). Why am i getting that? |
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| 01:01.03 | astronut | man and debconf don't look so good with LANG set to en_US.UTF-8...is there some setting i need to change? |
| 01:01.54 | jahrules | what is the command needed to modify allowed resolutions in X11? |
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| 01:02.18 | Arsion | jahrules: i think dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 |
| 01:02.23 | jahrules | ahh yeah thats it |
| 01:02.25 | jahrules | ty |
| 01:02.28 | Arsion | yw |
| 01:02.30 | astronut | jahrules: either dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or vi /etc/xorg.conf |
| 01:02.34 | interbird | astronut: Sorry, what is: "don't look so good" ? -- Fonts, foreign chars ? |
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| 01:02.39 | astronut | or xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:02.43 | astronut | interbird: ya, for man |
| 01:02.45 | astronut | and formatting is wrong |
| 01:02.51 | astronut | for debconf, it's really weird |
| 01:02.52 | astronut | uhmm |
| 01:03.15 | astronut | borders become weird chars |
| 01:03.18 | astronut | which screws up layout |
| 01:03.23 | interbird | astronut: text-based you mean? -- non-gui? |
| 01:03.36 | interbird | astronut: charset |
| 01:03.37 | astronut | yes |
| 01:03.41 | wharf | How can i mount my ntfs partition which is windows using debian on vmware? |
| 01:03.52 | astronut | astronut@debian:~$ printenv CHARSET |
| 01:03.52 | astronut | astronut@debian:~$ |
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| 01:04.18 | whitelight | why doesnt cd work in scripts? |
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| 01:04.34 | Xenguy | whitelight: example? |
| 01:04.46 | Caelum | wharf: you can't, there's a vmware driver for smbfs though I think |
| 01:04.48 | gravity | whitelight: The shell executes cd in a subshell. The subshell then exits, and you're back in the script's shell, which never cd'd |
| 01:04.49 | whitelight | im using "cd" command in a script, but it doesnt work! how can you change directories within a script? |
| 01:04.52 | killfill | hi |
| 01:04.55 | Caelum | wharf: check the vmware docs |
| 01:04.55 | ricky_clarkson | whitelight: It does, but the environment in a script isnt given to the supershell.. |
| 01:05.00 | interbird | whitelight: use the "source" command |
| 01:05.04 | gravity | whitelight: You can do something like "cd foo ; dostuff" |
| 01:05.08 | killfill | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding thats all i need to tell my linux to forward ipv6?.. |
| 01:05.08 | whitelight | interbird: ok thanks |
| 01:05.13 | interbird | whitelight: (i think) |
| 01:05.15 | whitelight | gravity: ok |
| 01:05.22 | whitelight | interbird: what? uyou think?> :P |
| 01:05.38 | ricky_clarkson | HE THINKS. |
| 01:05.46 | Caelum | thinking is good for you |
| 01:05.49 | chealer | gravity, thanks for the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg values in the last upload :) |
| 01:05.57 | Xenguy | therefore I am |
| 01:05.57 | astronut | interbird: what should it be set to? |
| 01:06.01 | whitelight | gravity: I run the script from /home and want it to cd backup/texts |
| 01:06.06 | ricky_clarkson | I stink therefore I am. |
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| 01:06.17 | Arsion | question, i am installing like 80 packages, including linux-image-2.6.12-1-386..but i am getting a response about its directory already existing...is this normal since i have installed other programs that are meant for that kernel? |
| 01:06.22 | Caelum | ricky_clarkson: I think that's a far better definition of sentience |
| 01:06.22 | whitelight | gravity: so I type in it ""cd backup/texts; dostuff" ? |
| 01:06.23 | Xenguy | ricky_clarkson: smell ya later ;-) |
| 01:06.30 | interbird | whitelight: the current dir is local to the current interpreter -- using "source" you embed a script instead if executing it in a temporary secondary shell |
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| 01:06.34 | gravity | chealer: Huh? |
| 01:06.35 | ricky_clarkson | I am, therefore I stink. |
| 01:06.53 | gravity | whitelight: Yes. dostuff obviously being whatever you want to do in that dir. |
| 01:07.02 | gravity | whitelight: You can chain commands together just by adding semicolons. |
| 01:07.05 | mo1991 | hmm - anyone here get linux-wlan-ng working? Doesn't show modules for stock deb kernels? |
| 01:07.09 | ricky_clarkson | gravity: Or && |
| 01:07.15 | interbird | whitelight: I think means I have not verified my answer -- i think ti may help |
| 01:07.18 | whitelight | interbird: source dodnt work |
| 01:07.27 | ricky_clarkson | cd somedir && command; |
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| 01:07.38 | ricky_clarkson | only does command if cd somedir worked. |
| 01:07.56 | nullvoid | how can I get my cgi script to run, I have the couriergraph.cgi installed (debian) but when I point my browser, it shows the script file instead of executing it |
| 01:07.58 | Caelum | but is thinking the only thing required for sentience? the scheduler in my kernel is thinking all the time |
| 01:08.03 | interbird | whitelight: Okee, what do you want to accomplish in your script ? |
| 01:08.04 | gravity | If you're doing a lot of commands, the semicolon + \ method is nice |
| 01:08.08 | Caelum | nullvoid: install apache |
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| 01:08.16 | gravity | That's the most common way it's done in the Makefiles I've seen |
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| 01:08.26 | wharf | Is there a command to check all my hdd devices even hidden unmounted ones? |
| 01:08.34 | Lee__ | would one know if nvidia vanta cards can get DRM support with an open source driver? |
| 01:08.45 | Arsion | its specifically talking about /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386 |
| 01:08.48 | Lee__ | the nv driver in sarge doesn't do anything. |
| 01:08.51 | Caelum | wharf: check kern.log for detected disks, and fdisk -l /dev/hda or whatever |
| 01:08.56 | whitelight | interbird: I want to change to /backup/texts and excuse the command "grep --colour -i -w constatine *" |
| 01:09.06 | whitelight | excuse = execute |
| 01:09.08 | nullvoid | Caelum: I installed apache and my web is running well, I guess it's my vh |
| 01:09.19 | nullvoid | Caelum: since I can run it localy |
| 01:10.03 | cddesjar | is there a way to make the windows transparent in gnome? |
| 01:10.05 | Arsion | anyone know? |
| 01:10.10 | interbird | whitelight: touch whitelight-grep |
| 01:10.10 | astronut | interbird: what should CHARSET be set to? |
| 01:10.14 | whitelight | gravity: when I try ""cd backup/texts; grep --colour -i -w constatine *" ? it runs grep but it doesnt take me to the directory /backup/texts |
| 01:10.19 | Caelum | nullvoid: make sure the script is in a directory with +ExecCGI |
| 01:10.19 | interbird | whitelight: #!/bin/sh |
| 01:10.19 | chealer | gravity, "Don't reset all xserver-xorg debconf templates when "dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:10.20 | chealer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.32 | Caelum | nullvoid: check your access.log for when you go to it |
| 01:10.44 | whitelight | interbird: what? |
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| 01:11.02 | gravity | chealer: Ah, that :-) Yeah, just cleaning up the packaging. There's a bug that annoys a lot of people that I just fixed in SVN |
| 01:11.04 | whitelight | interbird: the file begins with : #!/bin/sh |
| 01:11.20 | whitelight | interbird: but when I try ""cd backup/texts; grep --colour -i -w constatine *" ? it runs grep but it doesnt take me to the directory /backup/texts |
| 01:11.20 | interbird | whitelight: grep -- colour -i -w "constatine*" > bliep |
| 01:11.22 | gravity | chealer: It shouldn't bug you now every time you install about autodetecting things |
| 01:11.35 | ricky_clarkson | whitelight: Why not #!/bin/bash > |
| 01:11.37 | whitelight | interbird: that all works, i just want to be taken to /backup/texts |
| 01:11.39 | ricky_clarkson | whitelight: Why not #!/bin/bash ? |
| 01:11.40 | interbird | whitelight: file bliep will contain the result |
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| 01:11.57 | whitelight | all i want to do is cd /backup/texts |
| 01:12.06 | sandman | Has anyone had experience with a system totally freezing up @ Debian Stable from simply inserting a PCMCIA card? |
| 01:12.08 | caphuso | whitelight: you can't do that from a script, you need a shell function |
| 01:12.15 | sandman | The PCMCIA card uses ndiswrapper |
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| 01:12.22 | whitelight | caphuso: how do I do that with a shell function? |
| 01:12.27 | sandman | But every now and then when I take it out, or put it back in, the whole system freezes and cannot be used |
| 01:12.29 | WALoeIII | anyone here running linblock on their server? |
| 01:12.43 | WALoeIII | how can I 'undo' this command: iptables -R INPUT 1 -m state --state NEW,RELATED -j antip2p |
| 01:12.51 | caphuso | whitelight: err, you use a function instead of a script |
| 01:12.54 | interbird | whitelight: cd backups/texts & cd -- & executes shell commands in succession |
| 01:12.59 | whitelight | caphuso: how? |
| 01:13.08 | Caelum | WALoeIII: iptables -D rule |
| 01:13.10 | Xenguy | whitelight: I've used a bash function and an alias together, just once - nifty once you get it |
| 01:13.13 | whitelight | interbird: what was that? |
| 01:13.16 | chealer | gravity, ah well, I guess I'll thank you for the next upload too then |
| 01:13.20 | Caelum | WALoeIII: iptables -L to list, etc. see the man page |
| 01:13.23 | gravity | heh |
| 01:13.25 | bob2 | ssh -D rules |
| 01:13.32 | caphuso | whitelight: what do you mean, how? |
| 01:13.41 | whitelight | Xenguy: what command would you use to change to /backup/texts ? |
| 01:13.41 | Atula | it's so hard to get apache2 working with php4... is it okay to just do apache 1.3 and use php4? |
| 01:13.51 | interbird | whitelight: For a command to be executed in non-parallel but after I tink it is && -- google "linux bash" for more info |
| 01:14.07 | Caelum | sandman: did you check your kern.log to see what was the last thing that happened before it froze? |
| 01:14.23 | Xenguy | whitelight: dunno off the top of my head; I'd have to look it up, and paste the syntax (will you be here for a while?) |
| 01:14.45 | astronut | interbird: the charset variable or/ |
| 01:14.48 | whitelight | Xenguy: ill be here for 10mins |
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| 01:15.02 | nullvoid | Caelum: still stuck to get my cgi to run, I am only get the script displayed instead of apache runs it |
| 01:15.05 | Xenguy | whitelight: I'll see if I can find the stuff (other boxen) |
| 01:15.11 | whitelight | Xenguy: thanks :) |
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| 01:15.20 | ricky_clarkson | whitelight: #bash |
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| 01:16.08 | cddesjar | what version of gnome is in testing? |
| 01:16.19 | caphuso | cddesjar: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 01:16.26 | interbird | astronut: character-settings for your console -- dunno what your problem is completely -- rectangels are in the 437 charset -- google "linux console characters" ? |
| 01:16.41 | astronut | oh, ok |
| 01:16.43 | astronut | it's in an aterm |
| 01:17.06 | Caelum | nullvoid: what directory did you put it in? try something like /usr/lib/cgi-bin and chmod +x it, make sure it's executable by apache, check the access.log and error.log for the request.... |
| 01:17.14 | interbird | astronut: And what is the display problem ? |
| 01:17.15 | whitelight | ricky_clarkson: whats #bash? |
| 01:17.26 | ricky_clarkson | whitelight: It's an IRC channel. |
| 01:17.34 | astronut | interbird: weird stuff when using UTF-8 with man/debconf |
| 01:17.36 | ricky_clarkson | Like #debian (here). |
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| 01:17.39 | astronut | clean when LANG=C |
| 01:17.48 | cddesjar | yeah but how can i tell what version of gnome it is from the terminal? |
| 01:17.53 | nullvoid | Caelum: I even put Alias of cgi-bin for /usr/lib/cgi/bin in apache conf |
| 01:17.59 | interbird | astronut: Like ? |
| 01:18.05 | ricky_clarkson | cddesjar: gnome-terminal --version |
| 01:18.08 | ricky_clarkson | at a guess |
| 01:18.18 | nullvoid | Caelum: I mean in one of site-enabled file |
| 01:18.21 | astronut | borders become weird chars which screws up layout in debconf |
| 01:18.27 | astronut | man has random foreign chars |
| 01:18.28 | Caelum | nullvoid: see the apache docs for configuring CGI also |
| 01:18.31 | astronut | which screw up layout |
| 01:18.32 | astronut | etc |
| 01:18.41 | Xenguy | whitelight: ~/.bashrc contains an alias that references the function (see below) -> alias fwd='slash $1' |
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| 01:18.52 | interbird | astronut: Did you run dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected the character-sets you want ? |
| 01:18.55 | nullvoid | Caelum: I did this once, but I can't figure out how I did it previously |
| 01:19.01 | Arsion | to copy everything to the apt cache, i type cp * /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 01:19.02 | whitelight | Xenguy: hmm :P |
| 01:19.10 | Caelum | nullvoid: that's why you need to check your logs |
| 01:19.12 | whitelight | Xenguy: do what? :) |
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| 01:19.15 | Xenguy | whitelight: in ~/.bash_profile I have this (you don't want to know why ;-) -> slash() { cd $(echo "$1" | cut -f '2-' -d '\' | tr '\\' '/'); } |
| 01:19.17 | cddesjar | hmm...transparency doesn't fully work on my desktop |
| 01:19.19 | killfill | hey, anyone has configure a ipv6 router with linux?.. i have troubles enabling the forwarding.. :-( |
| 01:19.21 | astronut | could have sworn i did |
| 01:19.23 | cds | I'm trying to set up natting, I'm using the command iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADEiptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE - but it's not working? |
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| 01:19.33 | schorpp | lo |
| 01:19.34 | nullvoid | Calelum: which apache log, what to look for |
| 01:19.34 | whitelight | Xenguy: I place that in my script? |
| 01:19.37 | cds | (Oops, sorry about the doublepaste of the command there) |
| 01:19.39 | nephlim | hey guys, how do you send an attachment with "mail" |
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| 01:19.47 | caphuso | nephlim: you don't. you use mutt |
| 01:19.49 | schorpp | <--- has iptables probs |
| 01:19.51 | astronut | [*] en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 01:19.57 | whitelight | Xenguy: I type "slash() { cd $(echo "$1" | cut -f '2-' -d '\' | tr '\\' '/'); }" into my script? |
| 01:19.58 | nephlim | caphuso, okay, thanks |
| 01:20.04 | Caelum | nullvoid: /var/log/apache2/access.log and error.log |
| 01:20.09 | Xenguy | whitelight: so, you should be able to use the basic syntax here to create a function, then create an alias to that function, then use the alias in your script (I think) |
| 01:20.13 | Caelum | nullvoid: tail -f those when you do the request |
| 01:20.23 | nullvoid | ok let me try |
| 01:20.23 | Xenguy | whitelight: jesus no, you have to customize it for your situation... |
| 01:20.32 | astronut | A path letter ’/’ |
| 01:20.37 | astronut | (example of man) |
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| 01:20.46 | schorpp | forwarding gnomemeeting ports to 2 hosts in different subnets |
| 01:20.55 | Xenguy | whitelight: you can use my example as a hint to syntax, and then 'man bash' for gory details on 'functions' |
| 01:21.06 | whitelight | Xenguy: well the directory I want to change to is /backup/texts. So I type "slash() { cd $(echo "/backup/texts" | cut -f '2-' -d '\' | tr '\\' '/'); }" ? |
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| 01:21.28 | Xenguy | whitelight: kill the 'cut' stuff I would think... |
| 01:22.00 | Xenguy | whitelight: you're going to have to play with this on your own for awhile, unless someone else has time to give it to you on a silver platter :-) |
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| 01:22.08 | schorpp | have setup PREROUTING and FORWARD chains with -d $in_host --to-dest $in_host x.x.255.100 |
| 01:22.16 | astronut | hmm |
| 01:22.18 | Xenguy | whitelight: anyhow, good luck, I'm off elsewhere |
| 01:22.23 | whitelight | Xenguy: hehe :P but it wont hurt my system will it |
| 01:22.35 | astronut | interbird: seems to be my terminal (aterm) |
| 01:23.08 | schorpp | doesnt forward any packets due to iptraf |
| 01:23.20 | Xenguy | whitelight: a 'cd' command/function would be pretty harmless I'd imagine, but it is your system :-) There is nothing inherently dangerous here, unless you screw up majorly ;-) |
| 01:23.33 | nullvoid | Calelum: [Fri Oct 07 09:27:03 2005] [error] [client 192.168.0.231] File does not exist: /var/www/apache2-default/cgi-bin |
| 01:23.48 | Xenguy | whitelight: I have some work to do, so good luck, and TTYL |
| 01:23.51 | schorpp | forwarding to x.x.255.255 works but insecure |
| 01:24.02 | interbird | astronut: kee, I was wondering if you had the same on a true text-based tty -- like ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 01:24.03 | nullvoid | Caleum: but locally I am able to access it with http://localhost/cgi-bin/couriergraph.cgi |
| 01:24.15 | astronut | interbird: doesn't happen in xterm |
| 01:24.17 | astronut | grrrr |
| 01:24.20 | interbird | astronut: but you are in GUI-mode, not ? |
| 01:24.22 | cddesjar | !George Bush |
| 01:24.22 | dpkg | somebody said george bush was eehhh..ehhhh...dunno, or a short-dicked, draft dodging, weed smoking, rubber bellied hillbilly |
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| 01:24.33 | sideone | hey all. |
| 01:24.46 | interbird | sideone: hi |
| 01:24.56 | Xenguy | whitelight: oh, duh, 'slash' is the actual bash function |
| 01:25.00 | sideone | i just got an office, and need some geek posters.. anyone know of a place besides thinkgeek, and despair ? |
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| 01:25.10 | Xenguy | (I hope I'm using the right term 'function') |
| 01:25.17 | caphuso | Xenguy: yes |
| 01:25.23 | Xenguy | caphuso: tx |
| 01:25.24 | sideone | 'laser' |
| 01:25.36 | schorpp | --to-dest x.x.1.100 --to-dest x.x.2.100 : target problem : DNAT: multiple targets no longer supported :( |
| 01:25.38 | astronut | interbird: yes |
| 01:25.42 | astronut | 2 different x terminals |
| 01:25.45 | astronut | one has issue |
| 01:25.46 | astronut | other doesn't |
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| 01:27.12 | interbird | astronut: Chars displayed then depend on X -- I thought you were at plain text-modus -- just see if the prob is X or v-term based by trying an other vterm |
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| 01:27.28 | thecoolestcow | hey, got a question. i have a multimedia keyboard with all those shortcut buttons. any way i can make each button execute a command? |
| 01:27.36 | astronut | interbird: it's the fact that my terminal program (aterm) apparently doesn't like UTF-8 |
| 01:27.53 | schorpp | 2 different rulesets for the 2 hosts to forward same portranges not working too |
| 01:27.56 | Vamplegends | thecoolestcow, i have the same question too |
| 01:28.09 | thecoolestcow | Vamplegends: wouldn't it be mad sweet? |
| 01:28.17 | whitelight | Xenguy: didnt work |
| 01:28.20 | schorpp | <---- has inet hell |
| 01:28.20 | interbird | astronut: Ok, dunno about aterm -- why would one use atem ? |
| 01:28.34 | astronut | interbird: over xterm? |
| 01:28.39 | whitelight | anyone else know how to "cd backup/texts" in a script? |
| 01:28.43 | astronut | transparency, light weight |
| 01:28.45 | astronut | whitelight: just like that |
| 01:28.49 | thecoolestcow | question: any way to program the buttons on a multimedia keyboard to execute different commands? |
| 01:28.54 | astronut | cd backup/texts; cat foo; blah.... |
| 01:28.56 | whitelight | astronut: just like what? |
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| 01:28.59 | astronut | thecoolestcow: yes |
| 01:29.00 | interbird | astronut: for instance, yes -- why at-all |
| 01:29.02 | astronut | whitelight: "cd" |
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| 01:29.07 | thecoolestcow | astronut: how? |
| 01:29.08 | rapsys | hy |
| 01:29.09 | astronut | interbird: transparancy |
| 01:29.14 | dregan | I am trying to figure out why I cannot ping my domain name from the domain name server without an entry to it in the hosts file - "127.0.0.1 mail.realtek.net.au ns1.realtek.net.au mail ns1 www.realtek.net.au localhost.localdomain localhost " - does it matter how long the line is - or does it reduce the efficiency of the server |
| 01:29.15 | whitelight | astronut: cd doesnt work |
| 01:29.16 | astronut | thecoolestcow: depends on your WM |
| 01:29.20 | astronut | whitelight: then you're doing it wrong |
| 01:29.26 | interbird | astronut: kee, wterm ? |
| 01:29.28 | thecoolestcow | astronut: on my what? whats wm |
| 01:29.36 | rapsys | someone know great website for learn command use in english (I am french and only know great one in french) |
| 01:29.37 | darkcmd | wterm is a fork of aterm I believe |
| 01:29.48 | astronut | interbird: may have to try them |
| 01:29.52 | rapsys | I need it to help a newbie that has a debian |
| 01:29.53 | whitelight | astronut: this is what it says: cd backup/texts/ |
| 01:29.59 | astronut | thecoolestcow: windowmanager |
| 01:29.59 | bjb_ | I'm trying to set the primary name of my exim4 server to a name, but it persists in calling itself localhost@localdomain. I've written linuxbutler.ca to /etc/mailname, I've added dc_visiblename='linuxbutler.ca' to /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf and run update-exim4.conf and restarted exim4... what have I missed? |
| 01:30.02 | whitelight | astronut: cd doesnt work in the script |
| 01:30.05 | astronut | whitelight: try #bash |
| 01:30.08 | astronut | whitelight: you're doing it wrong |
| 01:30.20 | thecoolestcow | astronut: if by that, you mean GNOME/KDE, i have KDE running |
| 01:30.35 | interbird | astronut: Yeah, "term" is the keyword -- thanx. |
| 01:30.37 | astronut | thecoolestcow: don't know how kde does kbindings |
| 01:30.42 | schorpp | regan: bjb: no networkers here tonight it seems :( |
| 01:30.48 | thecoolestcow | astronut: kbindings, eh... |
| 01:30.49 | nullvoid | why is that I can't locate the file using http://www.test.com/cgi-bin/couriergraph.cgi but locally I am able to access it with http://localhost/cgi-bin/couriergraph.cgi |
| 01:30.56 | Xenguy | whitelight: you mean you didn't have enough patience to make it work :P |
| 01:31.10 | whitelight | astronut: you mean my scripyt shnould be: "cd" backup/texts ? |
| 01:31.13 | astronut | key bindings* |
| 01:31.16 | astronut | whitelight: no |
| 01:31.19 | astronut | whitelight: go bother #bash |
| 01:31.29 | whitelight | astronut: thanks for not being helpful |
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| 01:31.37 | Xenguy | pfff |
| 01:31.44 | astronut | whitelight: like 5 people have tried helping you |
| 01:31.46 | astronut | you're doing something wrong |
| 01:31.49 | astronut | try showing us the script |
| 01:31.52 | Xenguy | whitelight: yer on yer own kid ;-) |
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| 01:32.03 | jcole | can .png do animations like a .gif can? |
| 01:32.10 | schorpp | <--- entered #iptables |
| 01:32.15 | astronut | jcole: think so |
| 01:32.20 | jahrules | how do i reconfigure apt-get to search http instead of cdrom? |
| 01:32.30 | astronut | jahrules: dpkg-reconfigure apt |
| 01:32.31 | bjb_ | whitelight, astronut was very helpful s/he told you the canonical place to get help on bash scripting (which seems to be your question) |
| 01:32.31 | interbird | jcole: mng can for sure |
| 01:32.31 | Danar | anyone know any good linux applications for RPGs (like D&D)? |
| 01:32.42 | whitelight | Xenguy: whats new? :) |
| 01:33.08 | whitelight | bjb_: her/his deliverence was not helpful! look what she/he said... go bother #bash |
| 01:33.25 | Xenguy | whitelight: learning some of this stuff requires more than spending time in IRC bugging people to give the *exact* solution to you -- you know? |
| 01:33.26 | jcole | interbird: mng? hmm i'll have to do some googling |
| 01:33.44 | jahrules | astronut: ty |
| 01:33.50 | whitelight | Xenguy: yes im in bash now |
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| 01:34.01 | whitelight | Xenguy: I underrstand, thanks |
| 01:34.02 | Danar | ok... they don't have to be great... any at all? |
| 01:34.03 | interbird | jcole: .mng is the animation equivalent of .png -- google wiil help for sure :-) |
| 01:34.05 | astronut | you're welcome |
| 01:34.06 | Xenguy | whitelight: good luck - it's just time, energy, and patience |
| 01:34.28 | whitelight | Xenguy: yes :) |
| 01:35.00 | Danar | any map/dungeon designers or the like? |
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| 01:35.29 | Huston | anyone know exactly what packages I need with a HP 4200 scanner |
| 01:35.34 | astronut | Danar: apt-cache search is your friend |
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| 01:35.37 | astronut | Huston: same answer |
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| 01:36.21 | Huston | I had mine working and I did some updates and changes and it won't work now |
| 01:36.28 | Huston | I will give that a try |
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| 01:36.50 | Danar | astronut, nothing there |
| 01:37.15 | astronut | Danar: try packages.debian.org and search on there |
| 01:38.22 | Danar | astronut, just rpg games. nothing for d&d-like games |
| 01:38.44 | Danar | astronut, oh, except for 'rolldice' |
| 01:39.27 | jcole | interbird: for some very strange reason however, gimp (debian sid) can only save .mng files but not open them |
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| 01:40.25 | nvz | I've never heard of an mng file, but what makes you think it cannot open them if you know it can save them |
| 01:40.31 | interbird | jcole: I will try the same -- one moment... |
| 01:40.56 | jcole | interbird: neither will gnome image viewer |
| 01:41.02 | Wyzard | nvz: MNG is related to PNG, but can contain multiple sub-images with compositing and potentially animation |
| 01:41.09 | Wyzard | It's not as widely-supported |
| 01:41.26 | jcole | interbird: they thumbnail fine in nautilus (which i think gstreamer does) |
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| 01:41.43 | nvz | similar in ways to gif or the gimp format which has layers and transparency |
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| 01:42.00 | whitelight | Xenguy: I havbe it woprking :) want to know the solution? |
| 01:42.08 | interbird | jcole: interbird is busy with .mng |
| 01:42.11 | Xenguy | whitelight: hah! no way :-) |
| 01:42.21 | Wyzard | I looked at a MNG compliance test in Mozilla a year or two ago, and it supported most of the basic stuff, but not everything |
| 01:42.22 | Xenguy | whitelight: qu'est-ce que c'est? |
| 01:42.46 | Danar | doesn't anyone here play rpgs and use any software to help? |
| 01:42.49 | jahrules | hrm the dpkg-reconfigure apt command pauses for a few seconds like its loading then just returns to bash prompt any clues? |
| 01:43.04 | whitelight | Xenguy: all I needed to do was type "source" before it! eg, instead of typing "./run" i now type "source ./run" |
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| 01:43.24 | whitelight | Xenguy: apparently source runs the script in the current shell instead of running it in a subshell |
| 01:43.27 | Xenguy | whitelight: interesting - somebody suggested that in this channel earlier IIRC |
| 01:43.45 | whitelight | Xenguy: hmm i missed that |
| 01:43.45 | Xenguy | whitelight: nice simple solution (save bash functions for another day :-) |
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| 01:43.54 | jcole | brb |
| 01:44.00 | whitelight | Xenguy: hehe yeah! simple as that |
| 01:44.10 | Xenguy | whitelight: nice work :-) |
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| 01:44.44 | whitelight | Xenguy: :) |
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| 01:44.59 | whitelight | Xenguy: I was told that if you run it in a subshell, when the subshell exits you lose the newly set changed directory and go back to the old one |
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| 01:45.30 | whitelight | Xenguy: a guy called bjb helped me, know him? |
| 01:45.47 | Xenguy | whitelight: erm, I know bjb, yep |
| 01:46.06 | whitelight | Xenguy: well bjb gave me this simple solutuon, great to learn :) |
| 01:46.11 | lemur | is there a command I can use to lock a console? kind of like revert to login, but within an ssh session |
| 01:46.22 | Xenguy | whitelight: bjb is very knowledgeable |
| 01:46.30 | bjb_ | Hi Xenguy, it's me :-) |
| 01:46.37 | Damienk | bit the bullet on the french installm going for a fresh install from the mini CD |
| 01:46.40 | Xenguy | bjb_: I knew that ;-) |
| 01:46.45 | whitelight | Xenguy: indeed and I just realised bjb is here too :P |
| 01:46.50 | Xenguy | heheh |
| 01:47.03 | Danar | anyone know any map editors for linux that i could use for an rpg? |
| 01:47.11 | lemur | Danar: vi |
| 01:47.12 | whitelight | Xenguy: I didnt realise he was here too :) hope he doesnt get a big head over all our compliments about him ;) |
| 01:47.14 | whitelight | bjb_: ;) |
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| 01:47.20 | zinx | Danar: what kind of RPG? |
| 01:47.21 | Damienk | does debian run well with no swap at all? |
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| 01:47.24 | Danar | lemur, uh, i said a map editor... |
| 01:47.27 | whitelight | !hug bjb_ |
| 01:47.31 | Danar | zinx, d&d style |
| 01:47.35 | Xenguy | whitelight: he definitely won't =) |
| 01:47.37 | jahrules | Damienk: : swap is generally a good idea... |
| 01:47.43 | Damienk | on a transmeta device installed on a CF card |
| 01:47.47 | lemur | Danar: vi mapedit.c |
| 01:47.47 | zinx | Danar: you may do better with a vector editor like inkscape/sodipodi/etc |
| 01:47.48 | Vyrus001 | for some reason i get a message saying Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permition Denyed anytime i run mplayer as non root, but when i sux root it works fine. how do i fix this ? |
| 01:47.56 | bjb_ | heh, thanks whitelight |
| 01:48.12 | whitelight | bjb_: I cant tell you how much I appreciate your tip about using :source: before running the script. Its been a challenge for me to work this out and I really wanted a solution, so thanks :) |
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| 01:48.33 | bjb_ | ok, whitelight, three thankyous are plenty. You can stop now :-) |
| 01:48.35 | whitelight | bjb_: my gray hair is going back to brown :) |
| 01:48.45 | whitelight | bjb_: ok :) |
| 01:48.58 | bjb_ | whitelight, keep on passing the knowledge... that's all I ask |
| 01:49.06 | Xenguy | bjb_: three's the charm, y'know :-) |
| 01:49.16 | whitelight | bjb_: indeed I will |
| 01:49.40 | Danar | zinx, looks like a bit much for what i want. i don't know much about image editing. just want a map maker. preferrably tile-based, or something like campaign cartographer |
| 01:50.26 | fbi | jahrules: apt-setup |
| 01:50.35 | fbi | i don't know why you were told to reconfigure apt |
| 01:50.41 | fbi | that isn't gonna do jack |
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| 01:51.55 | Xenguy | bjb_: I just switched to postfix ;-) |
| 01:52.07 | Xenguy | bjb_: "and luvin it!" |
| 01:52.11 | whitelight | Xenguy: do you work with linux? |
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| 01:52.22 | Xenguy | whitelight: I use linux in my work, yes |
| 01:52.24 | Danar | i'm surprised there isn't any such software for linux :( |
| 01:52.30 | whitelight | Xenguy: cool |
| 01:52.35 | bjb_ | Xenguy, I just want to do some simple stuff, no need to change MTA for this |
| 01:52.39 | gravity | Danar: There probably is, just not in Debian |
| 01:53.02 | Xenguy | bjb_: I've been wanting to for years, and just finally got an excuse with this ISP change |
| 01:53.16 | whitelight | Danar: www.twobrotherssoftware.com/pyrism/mapmaker.html |
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| 01:53.32 | nimak | i cant seem to be able to compile the alsa kernel module |
| 01:53.41 | interbird | Mr. Sandman is calling... -- cya all -- have a beautiful day :-) |
| 01:53.44 | nimak | i just get a load of errors |
| 01:53.51 | bjb_ | Danar, I don't know about a full application for cartography, but I do know there is a mapping library called grass (this is being dredged up from ancient memory, might be a bit off)... maybe this can help you find what you want |
| 01:54.02 | Danar | whitelight, whaddaya know. thanks |
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| 01:54.16 | whitelight | Danar: np :) |
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| 01:54.52 | Danar | bjb_, i imagine 'grass' wont turn up too many relevant search results ;p |
| 01:54.56 | Danar | but thanks |
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| 01:55.07 | Xenguy | hahah |
| 01:55.34 | bjb_ | Danar, try "grass cartography" into google |
| 01:56.03 | Xenguy | bjb_: searching for maps of space then, eh? ;-) |
| 01:56.17 | Danar | bjb_, hunh. |
| 01:56.20 | Xenguy | bjb_: well, it's late yknow |
| 01:56.22 | Danar | sorta 3d |
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| 01:57.03 | bjb_ | Xenguy, guess I'm slow: I don't get it |
| 01:57.14 | MichaelL | How could desactive the syncronisazion between system clock and hardware clock ? |
| 01:57.19 | Xenguy | bjb_: you didn't inhale yet, did you? ;-) |
| 01:57.41 | Xenguy | bjb_: actually, it was just poor humour <shrug> |
| 01:57.58 | fbi | nimak: why are you messing around with alsa modules when you can just install a 2.6 kernel |
| 01:58.43 | Danar | bjb_, interesting app, but a bit too powerful/complex for my needs. i think it needs map data to make renders... |
| 01:58.51 | liable | linux:/tmp/firefox# sed /tmp/firefox/content/browser/browser.xul /tmp/firefox/content/browser/browser.xul a\<key id="goBackKb"*\ <key id="goBackKb2" keycode="VK_19" command="Browser:Back"/>\ |
| 01:58.59 | liable | whats wron with this? |
| 01:59.07 | liable | wrong.. |
| 01:59.25 | nimak | fbi: why doesnt sound work? |
| 01:59.27 | bjb_ | MichaelL, remove the links to *hwclock* in /etc/rcS.d ... but _why_? |
| 01:59.39 | fbi | nimak: kernel version? |
| 01:59.50 | nimak | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 01:59.59 | fbi | nimak: what soundcard |
| 02:00.03 | Xenguy | MichaelL: yeah, I don't think you really want to do that |
| 02:00.15 | MichaelL | bjb_, i use Xen and DomU sync with hardware and is no good time :( |
| 02:00.22 | bjb_ | MichaelL, and in /etc/rc0.d and /etc/rc6.d. Heck, in /etc/rc[0-6S].d |
| 02:00.40 | Xenguy | MichaelL: update-rc.d then |
| 02:00.47 | MichaelL | Xenguy, you use Xen ? |
| 02:00.50 | nimak | snd-via82xx, AC'97 |
| 02:00.51 | cddesjar | what's the safest way to remove kde? |
| 02:01.00 | caphuso | a shotgun |
| 02:01.00 | cddesjar | just apt-get remove kde? |
| 02:01.07 | caphuso | cddesjar: no, purge kdelibs* |
| 02:01.18 | Danar | whitelight, heh, that wasn't quite what i'm looking for :p |
| 02:01.20 | fbi | nimak: that's on-board sound, yes? |
| 02:01.29 | nimak | yeah |
| 02:01.29 | Xenguy | MichaelL: no, I invented my nick before Xen created/named their product :-) |
| 02:01.30 | cddesjar | "apt-get purge kdelibe"? |
| 02:01.36 | cddesjar | "apt-get purge kdelibs"? |
| 02:01.38 | fbi | nimak: what happens when you run alsaconf |
| 02:01.39 | caphuso | cddesjar: man apt-get |
| 02:01.41 | MichaelL | bjb_, hwclock is not in rc2.d :( |
| 02:01.42 | cddesjar | ok |
| 02:01.43 | litage | when setting up a DNS server in a DMZ, should the DNS server have entries for hosts on internal, non-DMZ networks? |
| 02:01.44 | Xenguy | MichaelL: real Xen, eh ;-) |
| 02:01.53 | MichaelL | Xenguy, :) |
| 02:02.22 | Xenguy | MichaelL: actually, sounds like a very cool app |
| 02:02.39 | bjb_ | MichaelL, sorry, I meant to say /etc/rcS.d... but remove all the links with hwclock in the name in any directory matching this pattern: /etc/rc[0-6S].d |
| 02:02.53 | MichaelL | Xenguy, very cool appz ;) |
| 02:03.02 | cddesjar | i am confused caphuso...purge doesn't actual remove kde? |
| 02:03.11 | caphuso | cddesjar: huh? |
| 02:03.21 | Xenguy | MichaelL: I just wish I could dual-boot that other OS with Xen too |
| 02:03.24 | cddesjar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.30 | cddesjar | what the hell does that mean? |
| 02:03.32 | MichaelL | bjb_, but in Debian, only rc2.d is use no ? |
| 02:03.36 | nimak | fbi: probing stuff |
| 02:03.47 | cddesjar | ok apt-get remove kdelibs --purge |
| 02:04.15 | nimak | it does nothing |
| 02:04.21 | nimak | cant detect my sound card |
| 02:04.29 | bjb_ | MichaelL, rcS.d gets run before rc[1-5].d .. it contains common stuff for all the runlevels |
| 02:04.34 | cddesjar | what if i am using kaffeine and stuff in gnome? does removing kdelibs screw that up and other kde apps? |
| 02:04.48 | caphuso | of course |
| 02:04.49 | bjb_ | MichaelL, rc0.d contains stuff that runs when you shut down, and rc6.d contains stuff that runs when you reboot |
| 02:05.09 | Nurbs | cddesjar: why do you want to remove kde? |
| 02:05.22 | cddesjar | i don't use it |
| 02:05.23 | nimak | too much space? |
| 02:05.29 | cddesjar | why have it just taking up space |
| 02:05.30 | Nurbs | nimak: doubt it :) |
| 02:05.31 | cddesjar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.35 | MichaelL | bjb_, thanks ;) |
| 02:05.46 | darkcmd | when you run thunderbird, and firefox in debian does it say debian (thunderbird,firefox) |
| 02:05.51 | bjb_ | MichaelL, you're welcome |
| 02:05.57 | Nurbs | cddesjar: one can quite nicely choose what one wants and what one doesn't with for example debfoster |
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| 02:06.20 | bjb_ | except when she remembers her exim config problem :-( |
| 02:06.20 | fbi | nimak: that's odd, are you sure the on-board sound isn't disabled in the bios? |
| 02:06.29 | fbi | alsa should see that card with no problem |
| 02:06.31 | nimak | i strongly doubt it |
| 02:06.42 | nimak | im going to restart and check |
| 02:06.47 | magyar | i am running sid with KDE, when I click on "devices" an error message pops up "unknown protocol devices". Am i missing someting? |
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| 02:07.31 | VIal | spanish |
| 02:07.35 | fbi | !es |
| 02:07.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:08.02 | stew | magyar: you might try #debian-kde |
| 02:08.06 | lemur | I love how the message is also in english |
| 02:08.14 | lemur | I wonder if my spanish is good enough for me to help in that room |
| 02:08.16 | fbi | haha yeah that's is kind of useless |
| 02:08.29 | fbi | s/that's/that/ |
| 02:08.30 | lemur | my linuxese is fairly up to date |
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| 02:09.16 | darkcmd | when you run thunderbird, and firefox in debian does it say debian (thunderbird,firefox)? |
| 02:09.32 | fbi | who knows, i avoid firefox like the plague |
| 02:09.47 | stew | along those lines... has anyone other than me sometimes googled for somehting you were trying to figure out then favor the pages that would be in japanese because it lets you scan right to the ascii on the page that contains that one command that you actually need? :) |
| 02:09.54 | darkcmd | fbi, : why? |
| 02:10.11 | fbi | darkcmd: because it seg faults like crazy even on sarge? |
| 02:10.26 | darkcmd | it didn't do that in other distros |
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| 02:10.47 | fbi | i use opera pretty much full-time now that they took that stupid ad-bar out |
| 02:11.49 | darkcmd | does anyone in here have firefox problems in debian? |
| 02:11.53 | Danar | fbi, is that the deb version of firefox, or the official one? |
| 02:12.12 | fbi | Danar i've had issues with _every_ version of firefox |
| 02:12.14 | Danar | i've had probs with the deb package, but not with the official one |
| 02:12.32 | fbi | who knows, it might be better now |
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| 02:12.35 | Danar | #firefox said the debian package had a mangled extension system |
| 02:12.36 | darkcmd | so the deb package is broken? |
| 02:12.37 | fbi | i just prefer opera |
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| 02:12.59 | Danar | not broken, just slightly buggy |
| 02:13.06 | Danar | i've lost a number of profiles to it |
| 02:13.14 | darkcmd | why is it so broken? |
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| 02:13.19 | Danar | now i'm using beta, and no probs |
| 02:13.24 | fbi | Danar that was one of the things that pissed me off the most |
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| 02:13.36 | nomed | hi all |
| 02:13.36 | darkcmd | i mean.. firefox has never had problems on any other distro with the packages from mozilla |
| 02:13.53 | Danar | fbi, just make a new profile when there's a risk of losing your current one, to test things out first |
| 02:13.55 | darkcmd | wth, why didn't they make a non buggy package |
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| 02:14.19 | caphuso | because it's incredibly hard to make non buggy packages of something as broken by design as firefox? :) |
| 02:14.19 | Danar | darkcmd, well, they made it so you could install extensions right from the dep repo with apt-get |
| 02:14.22 | nomed | is it possible to set a background image using an xorg cmd or script? |
| 02:14.37 | fbi | well said caphuso |
| 02:14.39 | Danar | caphuso, how's it broken? |
| 02:14.42 | darkcmd | caphuso, uh its not broken, debian broke it |
| 02:14.49 | darkcmd | I've never had issues with packages from other places |
| 02:14.51 | fbi | haha @ 'debian broke it' |
| 02:15.15 | mosty | nomed: use xloadimage or xv |
| 02:15.16 | kittenbot | nomed: xloadimage -onroot -fullscreen -center -border black /path/to/background/image |
| 02:15.22 | darkcmd | uh, if it works before debian uses their "system" |
| 02:15.27 | Danar | fbi, 'haha'? i've had probs with the deb version, but none with even beta versions that are official |
| 02:15.30 | darkcmd | then how is it broken unless their setup made it broken |
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| 02:15.39 | caphuso | darkcmd: it's firefox. it's crap all over the place |
| 02:15.50 | Danar | caphuso, we're listening |
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| 02:15.53 | darkcmd | lol blame the app for the mistakes they made |
| 02:16.17 | kittenbot | nomed: Put it in your .xsession file. |
| 02:16.25 | darkcmd | not trying to start a flame war or anything |
| 02:16.27 | Arsion | how do you stop gdm for upgrades? |
| 02:16.36 | darkcmd | I'll just get the package from mozilla |
| 02:16.37 | kittenbot | (On debian, .xsession is used by starts, xdm, and xinit.) |
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| 02:16.42 | caphuso | let's see... slow as hell. fragile as soon as you push it over over low levels (if you happen to manage more than 20 tabs, be sure to only make very careful adjustments) |
| 02:16.43 | kittenbot | *startx |
| 02:16.51 | darkcmd | guys have any problems with the mozilla packages in debian? |
| 02:16.55 | nomed | kittenbot, thanks i try it now |
| 02:17.05 | Danar | caphuso, uh, i used it fine with many more tabs than that |
| 02:17.08 | caphuso | oh, don't forget that a single plugin doing a bit of work will make the whole thing unresponsive as hell |
| 02:17.24 | Danar | caphuso, and ff is fast for me |
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| 02:17.30 | mosty | i wish galeon could do what adblock does for firefox |
| 02:17.32 | darkcmd | anyone have any response for my mozilla inquiry |
| 02:17.38 | Arsion | how do you stop gdm for upgrades? |
| 02:17.44 | caphuso | Arsion: /msg dpkg hold |
| 02:17.47 | Arsion | thx |
| 02:17.51 | Danar | caphuso, well that's probably the plugin developer's fault |
| 02:17.56 | jim | darkcmd: see bug tracking system... if YOU are having a problem, be specific, informative, concise, complete about the issue YOU are having (rather than taking a poll in a channel with almost 800 potential respondents) |
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| 02:18.04 | darkcmd | anyone ever have problems with the mozilla packages in debian? |
| 02:18.13 | caphuso | darkcmd: not with the packaging |
| 02:18.14 | Arsion | caphuso: wrong thing |
| 02:18.15 | Danar | me |
| 02:18.17 | jim | darkcmd: see bug tracking system... if YOU are having a problem, be specific, informative, concise, complete about the issue YOU are having (rather than taking a poll in a channel with almost 800 potential respondents) |
| 02:18.21 | darkcmd | Danar, yeah? |
| 02:18.29 | caphuso | Arsion: then what do you want? |
| 02:18.32 | Danar | the kind of stuff caphuso is saying :p |
| 02:18.45 | Arsion | caphuso: i am upgrading glibc6 and its asking me to stop gdm before continuing |
| 02:18.45 | darkcmd | Danar, so the mozilla package is buggy also? |
| 02:18.46 | mosty | sid firefox packages routinely have xul stuff broken |
| 02:18.50 | nomed | kittenbot, perfect :) |
| 02:18.50 | Danar | no |
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| 02:18.56 | Danar | you asked about the deb version |
| 02:18.56 | caphuso | Arsion: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 02:18.59 | kittenbot | *mew* :) |
| 02:19.02 | Arsion | thx |
| 02:19.05 | Danar | now i use the official version, and it's great |
| 02:19.13 | darkcmd | Danar, I mean the mozilla suite deb package |
| 02:19.20 | Danar | didn't know they had one |
| 02:19.26 | darkcmd | I thought they did |
| 02:19.26 | Danar | i used the installer |
| 02:19.40 | Danar | oh |
| 02:19.45 | Danar | the mozilla suite |
| 02:19.49 | Danar | thought you meant firefox |
| 02:19.59 | Danar | mozilla is fugly |
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| 02:20.34 | caphuso | mozilla tends to work slighly better than firefox |
| 02:20.42 | Danar | for some things |
| 02:21.04 | Danar | but it's also more bloated |
| 02:21.04 | Arsion | got a problem: short read in buffer_copy (backed dpkg-deb during ('./lib/tls/libc-2.3.5.so') |
| 02:21.08 | caphuso | Danar: bullshit |
| 02:21.10 | Danar | and the prefs layout is crap |
| 02:21.14 | bob2 | Arsion: disk is broken |
| 02:21.19 | bob2 | Arsion: or at least the partition table |
| 02:21.46 | Arsion | bob2: you mean the cd its on? |
| 02:22.01 | bob2 | Arsion: guess so |
| 02:22.25 | bob2 | Arsion: I don' know if apt copies .debs off cds before installign them |
| 02:22.36 | Richard123 | I have just inadvertently installed on my debian sarge system the sysv-rc package from kanotix 2.86.dsl-4kanotix1 |
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| 02:22.55 | caphuso | that's impressive |
| 02:22.56 | Richard123 | the correct version should be sysv-rc 2.86.ds1-1 |
| 02:23.11 | jeff01 | im having trouble with my built in soundcard. its just not being recognized, and i dont know how to go about fixing it. when i run cat /dev/dsp, it says that there is no such device |
| 02:23.13 | jeff01 | any ideas |
| 02:23.14 | Richard123 | can someone help in reverting back to the correct version please ? |
| 02:23.22 | caphuso | Richard123: download it, dpkg -i |
| 02:23.39 | caphuso | or try specifying the correct version at the apt-get command line |
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| 02:24.02 | litage | how do you display a message from a makefile? putting ``echo asdf'' in a makefile prints the command to stdout and then executes it |
| 02:24.22 | Richard123 | caphusI have tried apt-get --reinstall install sysv-rc but it says reinstallation is not possible |
| 02:24.39 | bob2 | litage: -echo blah |
| 02:24.39 | fbi | jeff01: kernel version? |
| 02:24.43 | Richard123 | caphuso: thx I will try to d/l and use dpkg |
| 02:24.44 | caphuso | litage: @echo foo |
| 02:24.45 | darkcmd^ | so no one has any problems with the mozilla suite? |
| 02:25.13 | bob2 | darkcmd^: if they had, they would have filed bugs in the BTS |
| 02:25.16 | litage | thanks |
| 02:25.19 | darkcmd^ | ok |
| 02:25.22 | jeff01 | fbi 2.4 |
| 02:25.42 | fbi | jeff01: try installing a 2.6 kernel and alsa-base |
| 02:26.08 | jeff01 | fbi |
| 02:26.15 | fbi | jeff01 |
| 02:26.31 | stew | stew |
| 02:26.33 | jeff01 | fbi im holding off on 2.6 until i get some other things straight. can i install alsa-base prior to the kernel upgrade? |
| 02:26.41 | fbi | jeff01: sure |
| 02:26.47 | stew | jeff01: what exactly doesn "uname -r" say? |
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| 02:27.06 | jeff01 | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 02:27.09 | LinuxMafia | hi |
| 02:27.13 | LinuxMafia | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.13 | fbi | you can install alsa before a kernel upgrade, you'll just have to run alsaconf again |
| 02:27.34 | jeff01 | fbi i dont mind that |
| 02:27.36 | fbi | you're gonna need alsa-modules for your specific kernel |
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| 02:27.41 | caphuso | LinuxMafia: that's nice. what does it have to do with us? |
| 02:27.44 | bob2 | LinuxMafia: this sounds like a "livecd" or "gentoo" problem |
| 02:27.45 | nimak | well |
| 02:27.48 | stew | jeff01: apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 ; the /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 02:28.02 | nimak | AC'97 is active in bios |
| 02:28.14 | LinuxMafia | bob2, no it in any 64 bit linux sytsem |
| 02:28.24 | LinuxMafia | bob2, expect fedora core 4 |
| 02:28.32 | stew | LinuxMafia: i have a tendency to undercook potatoes, even when I know i'm going to do it |
| 02:28.53 | Klowner | this iis annoying, I'm attempting to install debian on this sparc box and it keeps stopping on "retreveing and installing initrd-tools" |
| 02:28.58 | bob2 | LinuxMafia: by "64 bit", you mean "amd64"? |
| 02:29.00 | maher | stew: surely with your name you would have the opposite problem? |
| 02:29.01 | fbi | nimak: don't know what to tell you, i never use non-pci sound |
| 02:29.08 | LinuxMafia | bob2, yes |
| 02:29.11 | bob2 | Klowner: from a CD? |
| 02:29.13 | stew | maher: you'd think... |
| 02:29.19 | Klowner | bob2: yeah |
| 02:29.22 | bob2 | LinuxMafia: what does this have to do with Debian? |
| 02:29.28 | bob2 | Klowner: sure the cd/drive is ok? |
| 02:29.38 | Klowner | bob2: most recent netinst |
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| 02:29.47 | Klowner | hrm.. it works all the way up until that point |
| 02:29.47 | LinuxMafia | bob2, debian does not have 64 bit system yet? |
| 02:30.00 | stew | Klowner: most recent sarge aka stable or etch aka testing? |
| 02:30.10 | Klowner | stew: etch |
| 02:30.27 | Klowner | which is probably why, I shouldn't be whining |
| 02:30.33 | Richard123 | caphuso: thanks, that worked :) phew |
| 02:30.48 | stew | Klowner: have you tried sarge? you might wanna ask in #debian-sparc if you haven't already |
| 02:30.59 | Klowner | stew: nope I haven't |
| 02:31.07 | bob2 | LinuxMafia: uh, duh |
| 02:31.08 | aurax | is there some opensource gui to manage a store |
| 02:31.15 | bob2 | LinuxMafia: Debian has had a 64-bit port since 1996 |
| 02:31.19 | stew | Klowner: and check http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer |
| 02:31.29 | bob2 | Klowner: I'd check the md5sum of the cd first |
| 02:32.01 | jahrules | how do you reconfigure apt-get? kpkg-reconfigure apt doesnt seem to work |
| 02:32.23 | stew | jahrules: apt-setup? |
| 02:32.24 | caphuso | jahrules: apt-setup |
| 02:32.31 | jahrules | ahh |
| 02:32.40 | LinuxMafia | bob2, so here we go , there is soemthing to do with debian |
| 02:33.01 | jeff01 | fbi, to double check, all i have to do to upgrade kernel is apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 02:33.10 | stew | jeff01: what cpu do you have? |
| 02:33.10 | gravity | LinuxMafia: Why don't you go somewhere else to ask you question? |
| 02:33.14 | bob2 | LinuxMafia: nothing you've said so far has anything to do with Debian |
| 02:33.20 | jeff01 | 386 architecture |
| 02:33.23 | bob2 | LinuxMafia: if you have a question about Debian, please just ask |
| 02:33.26 | jeff01 | intel |
| 02:33.36 | MichaelL | after 2 weeks of wait, i couln't install gnome :( gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.10.2.3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 02:33.36 | MichaelL | E: Broken package |
| 02:33.41 | stew | jeff01: unless you have a pentium or a 486 there is probably a better kenrel |
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| 02:33.51 | jeff01 | pentium |
| 02:33.52 | stew | jeff01: p3? p4? athlon? |
| 02:33.53 | LinuxMafia | gravity, i went to every channel now if you dont wannaa help so dont help |
| 02:33.54 | jeff01 | p4 |
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| 02:34.02 | stew | jeff01: 2.6-686 then |
| 02:34.12 | bob2 | MichaelL: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list and full apt output in #flood |
| 02:34.15 | gravity | Hey that's convenient. I didn't want to help. |
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| 02:34.38 | jeff01 | stew, right now i have 2.4 386. does that mean that kernel is wrong? |
| 02:34.52 | stew | jeff01: no, just not as optimal as possible |
| 02:35.07 | jeff01 | stew, 686 it is. thanks |
| 02:35.10 | LinuxMafia | debian user = attitude |
| 02:35.12 | LinuxMafia | bye |
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| 02:35.22 | stew | werd |
| 02:35.22 | MichaelL | bob2 : just two entry deb and deb-src , main contrib and non-free |
| 02:36.33 | bob2 | MichaelL: please? |
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| 02:40.32 | bob2 | jarjar26: #flood != /msg |
| 02:40.49 | jarjar26 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.04 | fbi | jesus. |
| 02:41.24 | jarjar26 | bob2, sorry bob i don't understand want you want i do :( |
| 02:41.25 | fbi | jehovas witnesses should be against the law |
| 02:41.31 | fbi | don't know if i spelled that right |
| 02:42.10 | jim | jarjar26: howbout... |
| 02:42.32 | jim | jarjar26: if you have a problem, why not collect information on it on a web page |
| 02:42.47 | jim | if you have an accessable web server, you could put it there |
| 02:42.49 | Ugly_Duck | what should i have my video setting set for tv out to a tv screen? |
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| 02:43.23 | bob2 | jarjar26: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318769 |
| 02:43.43 | stew | Ugly_Duck: what video card? |
| 02:44.03 | Ugly_Duck | gforce mx 100/200 32mb |
| 02:44.29 | jarjar26 | bob2, i haved already see it , check date : On Sun, Jul 17, 2005, Debian Jones wrote ... |
| 02:44.32 | jim | jarjar26: in almost all cases, irc isn't optimized for large bodies of info... so separate those off... /msging the data without asking is not smart... the person might /ignore you or not but still be mad about it :) |
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| 02:45.43 | jarjar26 | like i said, we are octobre 7th and the issue are already there |
| 02:45.45 | jarjar26 | :( |
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| 02:46.54 | bob2 | jarjar26: the point was, you're using sid |
| 02:46.54 | Adrian | jarjar26: did you take notice of this bit: This is a transitional problem, consequences of ongoing transitions in |
| 02:46.58 | Adrian | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.03 | bob2 | jarjar26: things sometimes get uninstallable |
| 02:47.03 | nimak | has anyone played with AC'97? |
| 02:47.11 | bob2 | jarjar26: you deal and wait a few days for it to be fixed |
| 02:47.18 | jarjar26 | jim : thanks , i will take note ;) |
| 02:47.44 | jarjar26 | Adrian, difficult to not use sid if i want latest packages ;) |
| 02:47.47 | jim | jarjar26: and if you're using sid and can't solve these problems yourself... you're not always going to be happy with it |
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| 02:48.11 | jim | and we know that in advance, so complaining is just repeating what we know already know. |
| 02:48.58 | jarjar26 | i would like to help to correct issue, but i am not programmer :(:( |
| 02:49.03 | bjb_ | Oh, is this channel _only_ for supporting stable then? |
| 02:49.08 | bob2 | no |
| 02:49.11 | bob2 | but sid is not for newbies |
| 02:49.15 | Ugly_Duck | is there any other xfree configuring program apart from XF86config? |
| 02:49.19 | bob2 | they'll only hurt themselves and complain when it breaks |
| 02:49.20 | fbi | !drx |
| 02:49.20 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:49.34 | gravity | The xmd5 thing is different know |
| 02:49.37 | gravity | At least with xorg |
| 02:49.58 | caphuso | gravity: substantially different or merely different file names? |
| 02:50.18 | stew | gravity: yeah someone mentioned that the md5 was no longer an issue, is that true? |
| 02:50.22 | jim | jarjar26: then you should not be running sid. because without being a programmer, you cannot solve the problems, and you would have to wait and/or go through times of brokenness and even possible corruption of anything you might have (close to worst case) |
| 02:50.25 | gravity | substantially. It will overwrite the old file if it's been altered, but if it detects customizations, it'll back up the old one. |
| 02:50.31 | nvz | I'm not sure whats more disturbing, this movie or the fact I am not bothered by it. |
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| 02:50.36 | gravity | i.e. It acts sane |
| 02:51.06 | stew | gravity: why not just back up the old one everytime them? |
| 02:51.07 | stew | then* |
| 02:51.10 | caphuso | so, how do i stop it from replacing my /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 02:51.11 | bjb_ | Can we suggest reverting to the last known working version of whatever-it-is, but leaving the rest as stable? jarjar26, jim, bob2 |
| 02:51.22 | gravity | stew: It could lead to a lot of useless backups |
| 02:51.24 | jarjar26 | jim .. i use sid from 3 years ... i am not programme but i could correct some script issue . |
| 02:51.26 | caphuso | and why hasn't it done so yet? |
| 02:51.32 | gravity | stew: Although that is a good thought. I'll have to consider that. |
| 02:52.09 | bjb_ | ach, I mean s/stable/unstable/ jarjar26, jim, bob2 |
| 02:52.50 | stew | gravity: that patch i generated for xorg would have been alot easier if it was just "axe the header for xorg.conf" :) |
| 02:52.54 | jim | jarjar26: actually that is a little strong, because there are cases where you should and cases where you should not. ok to run sid: if you DO NOT CARE if you LOSE every byte of data on your HD, and you do not care if your system broadcasts random packets to every person in the world and their brothers, sisters, cats, dogs, birds and pet smurfs. |
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| 02:53.09 | Ugly_Duck | damm screen, cannot find screen etc etc.. its been running fine for ages |
| 02:53.23 | jim | NOT ok to run sid: in any situation where you are trying to do real work. |
| 02:53.34 | fbi | Ugly_Duck: check the X log |
| 02:53.53 | Ugly_Duck | fbi: Hmm.. /var/log/xfree ? |
| 02:54.00 | fbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.12 | alchem | jarjar26, if you want the (almost) latest packages, but can't afford to run sid, you can always youse testing. |
| 02:54.14 | fbi | look for anything (EE) |
| 02:54.25 | Ugly_Duck | fbi: cheers |
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| 02:54.41 | alchem | youse? jeez... that's 'use' of course |
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| 02:54.54 | jarjar26 | jim, hum .. i use sid in production environnement ... web server, mail server, mysql server .. all working very well and yes, sometime i need to correct some error but is not dramatics ;) |
| 02:54.59 | bob2 | jarjar26: jim is somewhat overstating the issues |
| 02:55.02 | Ugly_Duck | (EE) No core pointer device specified |
| 02:55.07 | Ugly_Duck | thats the first line.. |
| 02:55.13 | stew | sid in production is insanity |
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| 02:55.30 | gravity | You'd better know it *really* well to use it in production |
| 02:55.43 | fbi | Ugly_Duck: reconfigure X and don't lie to debconf, you can't fool X |
| 02:55.53 | jim | yes, I'm pretty much describing the worst cases or almost worst |
| 02:55.57 | jarjar26 | stew, not i dont thinkg .. did you try ? |
| 02:56.14 | Guerin | jarjar26: you're supid |
| 02:56.21 | stew | i feel like i know debian really well and i'm only willing to run sid on one machine that is usually off and I only turn it on for bugsquashing |
| 02:56.25 | Ugly_Duck | fbi: it had a serial mouse on it, i couldn't get it working. i got a ps2 mouse, put it on, changed the config to what i thought it should be and it aint liking it |
| 02:56.33 | jim | but while it rarely reaches those extremes, it still can be quite annoying |
| 02:56.33 | Guerin | and i cnat tpye |
| 02:56.42 | stew | i don't run sid becuase when a machine is inoperable i lose money |
| 02:56.44 | fbi | Ugly_Duck: when you say 'change config' do you mean you edited it? |
| 02:56.56 | gravity | I've run sid for years as my one and only desktop with few serious issues, but if my actual work depended on it there's no way |
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| 02:57.13 | maher | jarjar26: you run unstable for production, but can't install gnome? do you remember the anyone can log in remotely bug? |
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| 02:57.19 | Ugly_Duck | fbi: yes, i edited it |
| 02:57.23 | jim | dna yeu tpey mxide pu oot |
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| 02:57.29 | stew | or if a machine is down myth is down and my wife is mad, which might be worse :) |
| 02:57.29 | fbi | Ugly_Duck: you need to fix your X config now |
| 02:57.35 | fbi | !xmd5 |
| 02:57.35 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 02:57.46 | jarjar26 | Guerin, no .. i trusted the Debian developer, i know the do good job and when issue appear, the issue is correct some hours or a days after |
| 02:57.50 | gravity | I'll be glad to retire that factoid in a little while |
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| 02:58.03 | gravity | I don't trust the debian developers |
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| 02:58.08 | Guerin | jarjar26: that makes you stupid |
| 02:58.10 | gravity | I know them too well :-) |
| 02:58.14 | bob2 | haha |
| 02:58.28 | bob2 | don't trust people who live near green harbours |
| 02:58.29 | Ugly_Duck | http://kodiak.nz.cx/trash/XF86config-4.txt |
| 02:58.32 | gravity | hahaha |
| 02:58.36 | jarjar26 | maher, Gnome is broken, i could,t repair that... |
| 02:58.42 | Ugly_Duck | fbi: thats how the ps2 mouse section looks |
| 02:58.50 | gravity | If you're dependant on gnome or kde, don't run sid |
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| 02:59.06 | jarjar26 | Guerin, which kind of work you do ? |
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| 02:59.25 | jim | jarjar26: you did not trust us when we say "don't run this unless you can fix problems!" |
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| 02:59.33 | Guerin | jarjar26: whatever anyone will py me to |
| 02:59.41 | fbi | Ugly_Duck: you still need to do what dpkg said, and i would try /dev/input/mice |
| 02:59.55 | Ugly_Duck | fbi: ok |
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| 03:01.07 | jarjar26 | jim, gnome is expection, like i said ... for latest issue i haved meet last 3 years, all was repair rappidely .. now for gnome, 2 monts and issue stay .. and is the reason why tonight i ask the question ... |
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| 03:02.57 | fbi | did anyone else not understand that? |
| 03:03.30 | jim | jarjar26: which is moreorless reasonable... but... it's good you are surviving thru this time, because while they don't do it often, sid is allowed to be broken like this, and much worse :) |
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| 03:04.22 | gravity | Whatever. It's his system. Let him do his thing. |
| 03:04.32 | alchem | jarjar26, do yourself a favour and use 'testing', it's not like you will be outdated or something |
| 03:04.42 | jarjar26 | i teach Linux, and i use Debian to teach linux ... in few week i will show how install minimum debian and configure Xorg and install Gnome .. if is broken, i will show kde or fluxbox ... but if one student wants install Gnome, i need to explain why gnome not working ... :( |
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| 03:05.21 | maher | jarjar26: http://www.debian.org/security/2002/dsa-177 <-- tell them how running sid is so much fun |
| 03:05.22 | stew | jarjar26: why not just use stable? |
| 03:05.30 | alchem | you teach your students to run sid? nice... |
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| 03:05.43 | fbi | oh, man |
| 03:05.43 | jarjar26 | alchem, all my server are in SID, because i want latest packages |
| 03:05.53 | Guerin | !vns |
| 03:05.54 | dpkg | Version Number Syndrome. This occurs when cluebies assume that a higher version number means the intended program/kernel, whatever, works "better". |
| 03:05.56 | beardy | jarjar26: Run stable, and especially learn your students to run stable. |
| 03:05.58 | dogmeat | jarjar26: i know you from somewhere .. (??) |
| 03:05.59 | fbi | so basically there's gonna be 60 students in here asking why sid is broken |
| 03:06.01 | mwilson | jim: Oh? How is unstable broken today? |
| 03:06.03 | Guerin | !sns syndrome |
| 03:06.03 | dpkg | well, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 03:06.08 | Thaiger | How do I enable Direct Rendering? I have load glx and load dri in my config and the agp module is loading OK, but if glxinfo says Direct Rendering: No |
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| 03:06.37 | jarjar26 | dogmeat, may be .. where ^ |
| 03:06.39 | jim | mwilson: probably still going thru the c++ thing |
| 03:06.53 | bob2 | does anything aside from old radeon and intel do DRI with Free drivers? |
| 03:06.54 | jarjar26 | maher ; sure ;) |
| 03:07.18 | jim | I dunno myself... I don't run unstable :) |
| 03:07.23 | maher | jarjar26: telling new users to run unstable is totally irresponsible |
| 03:07.51 | gravity | bob2: Xorg 6.8 or 6.9/7.0? |
| 03:07.58 | maher | jarjar26: particularly as you are unable to maintain an unstable box in a functioning state yourself |
| 03:08.25 | Thaiger | bob2: I'm sorry? |
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| 03:08.35 | bob2 | gravity: either, I guess |
| 03:08.43 | bob2 | gravity: is the r300 stuff in 6.9? |
| 03:08.59 | jarjar26 | maher, i have one box with gnome in sid working very well .. but for new station with no gnome, when i try to instal gnome, broken-dependency ... |
| 03:09.13 | Guerin | jarjar26: fix the depensdency |
| 03:09.13 | beardy | Guerin: I agree |
| 03:09.23 | Guerin | they're not hard to fix, usually. |
| 03:09.32 | bob2 | Guerin: haha |
| 03:09.34 | jarjar26 | Guerin, i will try that ! |
| 03:09.52 | gravity | bob2: Yeah, for 2d at least... |
| 03:09.55 | Guerin | of course, gnome deps are like a spiderweb |
| 03:10.02 | alchem | maybe your system is a bit unstable, god knows why.. |
| 03:10.03 | gravity | I don't know exactly where to look for dri. Let me poke around a bit. |
| 03:10.04 | Guerin | with a really mean evil spider in the middle |
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| 03:11.24 | jarjar26 | Good debate all ... now i need to go ... have good night .. and may be i will dream about Woody, Sid and Sarge ;) |
| 03:11.25 | mwilson | gravity: Hey... so is -8 a "stay away" release? |
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| 03:11.51 | beardy | :) |
| 03:12.02 | gravity | bob2: Savage, tdfx, sis, via, mga can all do DRI Freely |
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| 03:12.25 | bob2 | hah |
| 03:12.26 | gravity | mwilson: It seems to be holding up mostly. There's a minor annoyance that when you install it it'll bug you about autodetecting things even if you already answered the questions in the past |
| 03:12.40 | Guerin | even though "more apathetic than usual" is a more realistic appraisal |
| 03:12.41 | gravity | mwilson: It won't overwrite the old config though |
| 03:12.56 | gravity | mwilson: There's also a minor error that'll throw a message. That's about all that's been reported. |
| 03:13.02 | mwilson | gravity: It can't. I learned LONG ago to have my X configuration chattr'd immutable. |
| 03:13.02 | gravity | It's all packaging stuff |
| 03:13.10 | beardy | Guerin: May I ask what your job is? |
| 03:13.27 | ThunderbirdSix | Is there another room for newbie Debian questions, or is this it? |
| 03:13.32 | gravity | ThunderbirdSix: This is it |
| 03:13.43 | Guerin | beardy: i'm currently teaching english to truculent korean public school students |
| 03:13.48 | mwilson | gravity: Not to mention I always make at least one backup of it before allowing X to update. |
| 03:13.57 | mwilson | gravity: I'm not very trusting. |
| 03:14.00 | gravity | mwilson: Smart move. |
| 03:14.26 | mwilson | gravity: This box *is* running unstable, after all. |
| 03:15.56 | beardy | Guerin: Ok. (I had to look up the word "truculent", doesn't sound nice..) |
| 03:16.05 | mwilson | Someone please say they're going to ignore #332521. The last thing X needs is *more* balkanization. |
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| 03:16.16 | ThunderbirdSix | very basic question about OpenFirmware. I'm using it to install Debian dual-partition on an iBook G3. Going through the tutorials online it says to place Debian partition before OS X. I've done that. I'm' at the point of creating an 800K bootstrap partition and OF is asking me for the First Block. Where do I find that information? |
| 03:16.22 | sds | can linux-wlan-ng drivers be run on a 2.4 kernel???? |
| 03:16.23 | gravity | mwilson: I'm going to split the package somewhat, but not that much |
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| 03:16.42 | bob2 | ThunderbirdSix: you're using OF to partition it? |
| 03:16.44 | gravity | mwilson: I want to split out anything that requires dev tools to its own package so that users don't need gcc installed just to have xutils |
| 03:16.47 | bob2 | sds: old versions can |
| 03:17.52 | mwilson | gravity: How're you planning on getting around the need for cpp? |
| 03:18.10 | gravity | mwilson: Not sure. I haven't investigated yet. |
| 03:18.14 | gravity | mwilson: It's a low priority. |
| 03:18.18 | EvilSporkMan | why does my pc speaker actually beep on system beeps under kernel 2.6.12, while it didn't beep under 2.6.11? |
| 03:18.19 | gravity | But something that's on the list |
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| 03:18.40 | ThunderbirdSix | bob2: I first used OS X disk utility to create two partition blocks: Debian and OS X. Then i installed OS X. Now I'm at the point where I am repartitioning the debian partition and it's asking me for the first block to use for the 800k bootstrap partition. Yes, using OF |
| 03:18.40 | beardy | EvilSporkMan: They have choosed to compile that option in? |
| 03:18.50 | EvilSporkMan | beardy: can i shut it off? it's _really annoying_ |
| 03:19.08 | beardy | EvilSporkMan: /msg dpkg shell beep |
| 03:19.28 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: <shrug> Because it's supposed to? Your .11 kernel is borked. |
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| 03:19.38 | EvilSporkMan | beardy: will that fix gvim beeping too? |
| 03:19.39 | Guerin | !bell |
| 03:19.39 | dpkg | well, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or just remove emacs and install vim |
| 03:19.42 | beardy | EvilSporkMan: It's good to have if you need, or want it to, then it's really annoying if it isn't available.. |
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| 03:20.20 | Bogaurd | argh, i need some help configuring cups to use a networked printer with a HP jetdriect print server - i'm sure it's all working, i just can't make head or tail of the config! anyone like to help? :) |
| 03:20.28 | bob2 | ThunderbirdSix: the Debian installer walks you through all this... |
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| 03:20.42 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: No, it doesn't fix gvim beeping, because gvim beeps when it thinks it has something to tell you. All you're doing is breaking things so that the alert doesn't work, not stopping it from alerting you. |
| 03:21.04 | mwilson | EvilSporkMan: If you don't like the bell, why aren't you using visual bell? |
| 03:21.11 | EvilSporkMan | mwilson: because i don't know about visual bell |
| 03:21.15 | beardy | It's always googd with choices, but I really don't understand why they made the pc-speaker support selectable in 2.6.. |
| 03:21.19 | beardy | good |
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| 03:21.36 | sds | bob2 what do you mean old version? |
| 03:21.49 | sds | or - where do I get the old version ? |
| 03:21.58 | mwilson | beardy: Neither did I... all it does is confuse the stupid.l |
| 03:21.59 | bob2 | sds: I mean, it used to support 2.4, I don't know if modern ones do |
| 03:22.35 | sds | is there an older .deb that you know works with 2.4 kernels? |
| 03:22.37 | beardy | mwilson: Yeah. And others, not that stupid too, that aren't aware of that change from 2.4 to 2.6. |
| 03:22.55 | sds | bob2 - can't seem to find the old .deb packages from woody and stuff |
| 03:23.03 | dondelelcaro | sds: they're in oldstable |
| 03:23.12 | dondelelcaro | sds: but sarge should work fine with 2.4 too |
| 03:23.25 | Bogaurd | argh, i need some help configuring cups to use a networked printer with a HP jetdriect print server - i'm sure it's all working, i just can't make head or tail of the config! anyone like to help? :) Anyone? |
| 03:23.45 | ThunderbirdSix | bob2: My mistake. I am not in OF, I am in the Debian Installer and on the screen that says "Missing Bootstrap Partition" Not detected. Do you wish to partition the disk again? Yes or No? What I have is one partition with the 4 files in root including yaboot and am trying to do a net install. Damn. Now I'm not talking like a newbie anymore...LOL |
| 03:23.50 | sds | dondelelcaro - the linux wlan ng package is in unstable not sarge - doesn't seem to work with 2.4 kernel - can't even compile the module properly |
| 03:24.03 | mwilson | beardy: Oh, people have no idea how to problem-solve any more... The first time I built a 2.6 kernel, and the bell didn't work, I went looking for *why*. Most people, they build one, it doesn't work, and they just whine. |
| 03:24.06 | sds | can I just change my stable to old stable to see those packages? |
| 03:24.18 | bob2 | ThunderbirdSix: it's been a while since I've done an install on ppc, you might want to try #debianppc |
| 03:24.20 | mwilson | Bogaurd: Do it for you, you mean? |
| 03:24.28 | dondelelcaro | sds: uh... wlan-ng probably won't work with 2.4 at all. |
| 03:24.39 | dondelelcaro | not every package works with every ekrnel |
| 03:24.40 | maher | Bogaurd: don't you just need http://name.of.printer:631/ipp/ |
| 03:24.43 | ThunderbirdSix | k. thx. |
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| 03:25.02 | sds | dondelelcaro - there have been people who got this working with 2.4 kernel |
| 03:25.14 | mwilson | maher: For a jetdirect? How do you figure? |
| 03:25.15 | Bogaurd | maher: yup, i need to put something like that in, but i keep getting 'No pages found!' error! |
| 03:25.18 | sds | I just don't think the version in sid works |
| 03:25.50 | maher | mwilson: if the hp printer does jet direct it almost certainly listens on the netwrk too - or at least all the ones round here do... |
| 03:26.27 | maher | Bogaurd: what gives the error? |
| 03:26.34 | Bogaurd | maher: cups does. |
| 03:26.40 | beardy | mwilson: Yes, I did that too. (found out, not whined) |
| 03:26.55 | maher | Bogaurd: look in the logs - if its not informative turn on debug |
| 03:27.02 | Bogaurd | maher: ok |
| 03:27.21 | Bogaurd | maher: can i PM you with an exert? |
| 03:27.42 | maher | Bogaurd: paste in #flood |
| 03:27.48 | Bogaurd | maher: ok |
| 03:27.57 | maher | mwilson: sorry - when isaid listen i meant listen for ipp |
| 03:28.15 | mwilson | maher: I've yet to meet a jetdirect other than a VERY late-model one that does IPP. |
| 03:28.38 | maher | mwilson: oh well - maybe we have fancy printers here... |
| 03:28.43 | mwilson | maher: And never a stand-alone jd. |
| 03:28.51 | mwilson | maher: Which is what he has. |
| 03:29.19 | Bogaurd | yah... it's a standalone jetdirect 300x =\ |
| 03:29.52 | Bogaurd | should i be trying ipp:// or lpd:// or socket:// ? |
| 03:30.14 | maher | ok - we have hp 4200 i think - they are stand alone, and not small either... |
| 03:30.46 | mwilson | maher: How does a 4200 have a stand-alone JetDirect? |
| 03:30.47 | maher | Bogaurd: point your browser to the printer and see you are enlightened |
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| 03:31.06 | Bogaurd | in my jetdirect web conf, i have details for DLC/LLC, Ethertalk, Jetdirect, Netware, IPX/SPX, TCP/IP |
| 03:31.10 | Netsniper | hey everyone |
| 03:31.24 | beardy | Does lpd:// and socket:// exist? |
| 03:31.25 | Netsniper | has anyone encountered any ELF failures today? |
| 03:31.47 | Bogaurd | beardy: how can i check if they 'exist'? =\ |
| 03:32.00 | Bogaurd | you mean in the printserver conf? |
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| 03:32.43 | beardy | Bogaurd: I mean if there is such a thing? I've only seen ipp://, but I haven't dealt with printers that much though.. |
| 03:33.07 | Bogaurd | beardy: yes, they are listed as example in the printer config for cups... |
| 03:33.15 | beardy | Bogaurd: Ok. |
| 03:33.20 | Bogaurd | :) |
| 03:33.50 | maher | mwilson: umm - ok - i think i'm just confused |
| 03:34.24 | mwilson | Internal jetdirects do all sorts of wonderful things. |
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| 03:35.00 | mwilson | External jetdirects, not so much. |
| 03:35.20 | maher | mwilson: ok - it is a 4200 - it must have an internal thingy |
| 03:35.30 | Bogaurd | mwilson: okay, i have a configuration option for 'Internet Printing' - might that be IPP? |
| 03:35.45 | beardy | Bogaurd: Probably. |
| 03:35.53 | magyar | anyone has any luck with "amaroK" in sid? |
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| 03:38.53 | roler | when I run a host -t mx fordmuscle.com on my server, it says this. "!!! fordmuscle.com MX host fordmuscle.com is not canonical"... what does this mean? |
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| 03:39.38 | mwilson | That it's not canonical. |
| 03:40.00 | jmg | guys how come i cant priority: -1 exim? |
| 03:40.13 | jmg | is there no way to override its important status?> |
| 03:40.55 | mwilson | jmg: You have no reason to change exim's nice value. |
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| 03:41.19 | jmg | mwilson: /etc/apt/preferences, not renice |
| 03:41.42 | trollboy | if I log in via GDM, and have it set to autologin, what's the best way to get it to autorun a command when I log in? |
| 03:41.57 | Pryon | .login? |
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| 03:42.04 | mwilson | jmg: Oh, my bad. Incorrect asumption on my part. |
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| 03:42.40 | mfrisch | trollboy nice name |
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| 03:42.47 | trollboy | there is no such file Pryon |
| 03:42.53 | trollboy | thanks mfrisch? |
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| 03:42.57 | mwilson | jmg: But you have no reason to change it's Priority:, either. |
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| 03:43.05 | jmg | mwilson: assumption is the mother of all what? :) |
| 03:43.50 | jmg | mwilson: Pin-Priority: -1 should prevent it from ever being installed |
| 03:43.52 | mfrisch | trollboy add startup program with the gnome-session |
| 03:44.16 | mwilson | jmg: Why would you need to worry about it ever being installed? |
| 03:44.19 | maher | jmg: not installing it will also prevent it from being installed... |
| 03:44.29 | jmg | maher: except its installed by default |
| 03:44.39 | mwilson | jmg: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 03:44.41 | maher | jmg: install a different mta... |
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| 03:45.00 | maher | jmg: you can even break your system by having no mta if you like |
| 03:45.02 | mwilson | jmg: Install something else that provides mail-transfer-agent, then. |
| 03:45.11 | jmg | mwilson: to replace with a plesk .deb that looks like it was made with alien and doesnt have Provides: mail-transfer-agent |
| 03:45.45 | mwilson | jmg: Ah, so you want to deliberately break package dependencies, then. |
| 03:46.02 | maher | jmg: if plesk is really an mta you can just fix the deb |
| 03:46.02 | jmg | mwilson: i think im going to do equivs |
| 03:46.09 | mwilson | jmg: Or will you have no packages installed that depend on mail-transfer-agent? |
| 03:46.24 | jmg | mwilson: i will have a fake package after i use equivs |
| 03:46.29 | jmg | mwilson: a stub |
| 03:46.41 | jmg | maher: yes it's a qmail package |
| 03:47.07 | maher | jmg: ok - fix the deb or use equivs |
| 03:47.18 | Bogaurd | argh, i still can't get this thing to work =\ |
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| 03:48.56 | maher | Bogaurd: maybe it doesn't do ipp - maybe you need hpoj |
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| 03:49.19 | zero-1 | is there a way to get java jre and jdk trough apt ? |
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| 03:49.24 | Bogaurd | maher: hpoj? can i get that working on cups somehow? |
| 03:49.34 | beardy | zero-1: /topic |
| 03:49.36 | aurax | is there an inventory application (gui) for debian ? |
| 03:49.56 | maher | Bogaurd: install it |
| 03:50.03 | mfrisch | aurax oocal?~c |
| 03:50.07 | Bogaurd | maher: sorry, just checked. it does IPP. |
| 03:50.14 | aurax | dunno |
| 03:50.15 | aurax | ;p |
| 03:50.17 | aurax | thats why im asking |
| 03:50.21 | aurax | its on freshmeat? |
| 03:50.23 | mfrisch | aurax oocalc?~c |
| 03:50.28 | Bogaurd | maher: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06b/18972-236253-64302-34214-64302-27316-13138-13139.html |
| 03:50.42 | aurax | ~c? |
| 03:50.43 | apt | hmm... c is for maniacs C code. C code run. Run, code, run. Please? |
| 03:50.51 | Bogaurd | jeez, thank god i didnt pay that price for it! |
| 03:50.53 | aurax | ha |
| 03:51.06 | maher | Bogaurd: are you sure? when you look at the printers web page does it say it does ipp? |
| 03:51.20 | mfrisch | aurax no .debs but are actual inventory if you search freshmeat |
| 03:52.20 | Bogaurd | maher: it just says 'Internet printing - use the default internet printing URL' |
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| 03:52.41 | Bogaurd | maher: in the web config, but the HP website confirms it supports IPP |
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| 03:53.10 | maher | Bogaurd: so did you tell cups to do that? |
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| 03:53.34 | liable | hrm why in a sed /foo/a/bar/ is it including the / around bar? |
| 03:53.37 | Bogaurd | maher: yeah... i put ipp://<printserverip> |
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| 03:53.49 | maher | Bogaurd: try http://name.of.printer:631/ipp/ |
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| 03:53.57 | bob2 | liable: what do you want it to do? |
| 03:54.00 | Bogaurd | maher: ok. |
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| 03:54.21 | liable | bob2: i am trying to find a line, then append another line after it. |
| 03:55.01 | Bogaurd | maher: tried that, printer won't start now =\ |
| 03:55.22 | bob2 | liable: that's not simple with sed |
| 03:55.28 | liable | bob2: which that does, but bar is /bar/ |
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| 03:55.39 | liable | bob2: what else could i try? |
| 03:56.04 | saloxin | liable: sed parses line by line. try ssed or perl |
| 03:56.16 | liable | bob2: no shit, i been at it a few hours now.. :) |
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| 03:56.58 | liable | saloxin: ssed eh? will have a look. |
| 03:57.24 | saloxin | liable: supersed! written by same upstream, but they don't dare change sed |
| 03:57.28 | Dasnipa` | anyone have experience setting up a second monitor/vid card in deb? |
| 03:57.43 | bob2 | "xinerama" |
| 03:57.57 | liable | saloxin: dont have any howto's on hand for it? |
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| 03:58.07 | stew | liable: sed '/foo/s/\(.*\)/\1\nbar/' |
| 03:58.45 | liable | stew: that will append a new line? |
| 03:58.54 | liable | lemme try |
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| 04:04.07 | Bogaurd | hmm, windows can connect ok, but i cant get cups to do it =\ |
| 04:04.21 | saloxin | Bogaurd: nmap it? |
| 04:04.25 | maher | Bogaurd: look in the cups log |
| 04:05.03 | stew | liable: awk '{print}/foo/{print "bar"}' <- thats probably nicer |
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| 04:05.33 | stew | on the eyes at least |
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| 04:06.06 | EvilSporkMan | i'm using alsa; why can't two apps (mpg321 and gaim) play sounds at the same time? i could've sworn that worked |
| 04:06.17 | liable | stew: it worked though :) cheers, i'll give the awk one a go. |
| 04:06.31 | Bogaurd | maher: checked the log, just says 'No pages found!' |
| 04:06.45 | maher | EvilSporkMan: does your card do mixing? other mise you need a mixer |
| 04:06.50 | bob2 | EvilSporkMan: http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin |
| 04:06.50 | saloxin | EvilSporkMan: the easiest is if the hardware supports hardware mixinng like soundblaster live. |
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| 04:07.04 | maher | Bogaurd: turn on debugging in cups.conf |
| 04:07.08 | saloxin | otherwise, bob2s answer ^ |
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| 04:10.59 | liable | stew: to write that now back to the original file i do the sed bit then file >file and it empties the file. |
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| 04:12.00 | mfrisch | 70-56-89-95.tukw.qwest.net70-56-89-95.tukw.qwest.net |
| 04:12.10 | EvilSporkMan | sound chipset has a lot of features but apparently mixing is not one - it's my onboard realtek ALC658 |
| 04:12.11 | Bogaurd | maher: i'm looking at the debug log |
| 04:12.16 | germangardener10 | hey wahta is up? |
| 04:12.21 | Bogaurd | maher: it's not very explanatory... |
| 04:12.34 | maher | Bogaurd: paste it in #flood |
| 04:13.37 | Bogaurd | maher: it's over 1000 lines everytime i start the printer. |
| 04:13.53 | germangardener10 | what do you mean paste it in #flood |
| 04:14.02 | maher | Bogaurd: paste the bit from when you try and print something |
| 04:14.12 | Bogaurd | maher: ok |
| 04:15.19 | Bogaurd | maher: that's when i try to print summin |
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| 04:16.41 | jeff01 | can someone help me out? while running apt-get dist-upgrade, i aborted during the updating of glibc, and now it wont let me go back and fix it. everything is dependent on perl-base, but that wont install because of the premature abort |
| 04:17.21 | saloxin | jeff01: wget the pkgs in question and dpkg -i them? |
| 04:18.05 | jeff01 | saloxin, host not found |
| 04:18.23 | saloxin | jeff01: you offline? |
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| 04:18.34 | germangardener10 | you might be able ti type apt-get -f install |
| 04:18.56 | nvz | saloxin: thats a silly question to ask someone in IRC |
| 04:18.59 | jeff01 | germangardener10, the error message above is what i get when i try to force it |
| 04:19.19 | saloxin | nvz: true, but his error message says so |
| 04:19.28 | germangardener10 | ok i just had to do a simular thing and it worked for me |
| 04:19.42 | nvz | saloxin: its down right crazy if you expect to get an answer :P heh |
| 04:20.02 | josiasdv | hi... is there a way to run xfree86 3.3 instead of 4.x on debian? |
| 04:20.11 | jeff01 | nvz, i can see the logic in the question, cause im on a different box now, but yes the box in question is online |
| 04:20.17 | germangardener10 | hey i really want to be able to watch streaming tv like winamp's TV option, how do i do that in linux? i have mplayer |
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| 04:21.37 | mqduck | can anybody remind me what program i need to allow mouse support in the command-line? |
| 04:21.48 | jeff01 | saloxin, it tries to go to http://perl-base/ => 'index.html' |
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| 04:21.57 | jeff01 | saloxin is that right? |
| 04:22.11 | nvz | mqduck: you mean in console, and thats gpm |
| 04:22.13 | saloxin | jeff01: if you interrupted apt-get, you might still have the .debs in question in /var/cache/apt/ |
| 04:22.25 | josiasdv | is there a way to run xfree86 3.3 instead of 4.x on debian using apt-get? |
| 04:22.35 | saloxin | jeff01: nonono - you would have to find url of pkg, then wget that |
| 04:22.40 | mqduck | nvz: right. i was trying to think of that word (console) |
| 04:23.12 | saloxin | jeff01: look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 04:23.23 | nvz | josiasdv: repeating that every two minutes sure wont do it |
| 04:23.26 | k-man | im about to install debian on an older ibm netfinity server with a scsi raid array. What install should I use? |
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| 04:23.38 | jeff01 | ls: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_2.1 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 04:23.44 | josiasdv | sorry |
| 04:24.21 | saloxin | jeff01: eeww, not nice |
| 04:24.48 | jeff01 | saloxin will it fix the problem if i go back down to stable, then re-upgrade back into unstable? |
| 04:24.55 | peterrooney | josiasdv: maybe. man apt_preferences, hunt for `pinning'. |
| 04:25.09 | mwilson | How would you "go back down"? |
| 04:25.16 | saloxin | jeff01: haha, you're going to unstable? prepare to do this a lot |
| 04:25.18 | smartbhai | anyone getting 6 channel sound with alsa and vlc |
| 04:25.21 | josiasdv | thanks |
| 04:25.48 | jeff01 | saloxin, im in unstable |
| 04:26.02 | jeff01 | saloxin, it was in the move up that i ran into the problem |
| 04:26.03 | nvz | josiasdv: there were 3.3.6 packages in woody xserver-s3 for example was one of them |
| 04:26.09 | saloxin | jeff01: if you can move back i'd try it. /me thinks your system is fried, and you have to fix it by booting from a cd |
| 04:26.11 | jeff01 | just finished reinstalling debian on the machine |
| 04:26.27 | peterrooney | josiasdv: NB. the man page is `apt_preferences' but the file is called `preferences'. |
| 04:26.29 | jeff01 | nice, messed up an install within......3 hours! |
| 04:26.34 | nvz | josiasdv: they were removed in later versions because those cards in question are supported by 4.x now |
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| 04:27.49 | josiasdv | i have an s3 864 (generic) on an old ibm that's not supported by the 4.x version |
| 04:27.50 | jeff01 | saloxin, would i use dist-upgrade to move back down to sarge, or is it another command |
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| 04:28.05 | mwilson | jeff01: You wouldn't. There isn't *any* command to "move back down". |
| 04:28.08 | jeff01 | "apt-get dist-upgrade" * |
| 04:28.20 | nvz | jeff01: debian supports no such thing |
| 04:28.41 | jeff01 | apt-get sys-unfuckup |
| 04:28.42 | saloxin | jeff01: there isn't a supported way to move back down, although i have had some success with aptitude dist-upgrade with a proper sources.list |
| 04:28.47 | bob2 | jeff01: you can't, time to reinstall |
| 04:28.48 | bob2 | or deal |
| 04:28.56 | mwilson | Or fix what you've broken. |
| 04:29.04 | smartbhai | hi people is it possible to use a single machine as 2 terminals with 2 graphics cards and 2 keyboard and mouse .. and use run 2 different displays |
| 04:29.10 | mwilson | If you can't fix it, reconsider whether you should be using unstable in the first place. |
| 04:29.12 | jeff01 | mwilson is there any way to fix my problem? |
| 04:29.18 | jeff01 | ls: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_2.1 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 04:29.33 | maher | jeff01: you have hosed libc - it might be annoying to fix - see if you can use ldconfig to rebuild its little libs db |
| 04:29.59 | maher | smartbhai: yes |
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| 04:30.26 | jeff01 | maher, i get that same error mesage, sans the whole ls: relocation error |
| 04:30.30 | smartbhai | maher : can that be extended to 3 or 4 displays by using 3 /4 graphics cards |
| 04:30.31 | nvz | sounds possible I dont know how you would hook up two keyboards and send their input to different placed though.. the mouse and video is easy |
| 04:30.42 | bob2 | haha |
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| 04:30.51 | bob2 | jeff01: how on earth did you manage that? |
| 04:30.56 | maher | smartbhai: yes |
| 04:31.04 | jeff01 | ^c as it upgraded glibc6 |
| 04:31.05 | bob2 | smartbhai: possible but not simple |
| 04:31.09 | bob2 | ha ha ha |
| 04:31.10 | saloxin | afaik vanilla X only supprts one keyboard, but there is patches for this |
| 04:31.12 | smartbhai | nvz : that s what i also think .. maher what do u think bout keyboard |
| 04:31.23 | bob2 | jeff01: from what? woody to sid? |
| 04:31.29 | maher | smartbhai: some one sells boxes that do this - up to 8 iirc |
| 04:31.34 | jeff01 | sarge to unstable |
| 04:31.44 | smartbhai | maher : wow ..so that would be nice.. |
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| 04:31.45 | bob2 | haha |
| 04:31.47 | mwilson | Well, it shouldn't be all THAT hard to fix, if that's all you did. |
| 04:32.12 | smartbhai | saloxin : where can i get the patches |
| 04:32.22 | mwilson | <shrug> Boot from live CD, either put the old one back or the new one in, depending, boot back to the installed OS, redo the upgrade. |
| 04:32.27 | Pixels- | is there a jre file i can apt-get ? |
| 04:32.44 | saloxin | smartbhai: here's a 3headedmonster howto: http://www.scii.nl/projects/3hm/ |
| 04:32.45 | jeff01 | mwilson, how do i boot from cd and do that without a whole new reinstall |
| 04:32.52 | groogs | is anyone using sf.net cvs and having problems? keeps timing out or giving me weird errors during certain operations |
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| 04:33.20 | maher | smartbhai: http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/multiuser/ |
| 04:33.24 | cio | Hi all. What debian script controls the end of the bootup process right before the login prompt is displyaed? I want to do a 'clear' at the end of the script. |
| 04:33.39 | smartbhai | maher , saloxin : thanx |
| 04:33.47 | nvz | cio: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 04:34.00 | mwilson | jeff01: I said, boot from a live CD. |
| 04:34.23 | mwilson | jeff01: But as I also said, if you can't fix this yourself, reconsider whether you should be running unstable. |
| 04:34.25 | jeff01 | mwilson, forgive my ignorance, but what is that compared to the install cd |
| 04:34.26 | cio | Thanks. |
| 04:34.35 | maher | smartbhai: http://userful.com/products/1-box |
| 04:34.40 | Elirruki | buenas |
| 04:34.45 | Pixels- | a live cd, like mepis or ubuntu |
| 04:35.07 | jeff01 | ....still learning all this stuff..dont know what those are |
| 04:35.14 | saloxin | smartbhai: http://www.ltn.lv/~aivils/ <- 2+ consoles on one box |
| 04:35.16 | Pixels- | www.distrowatch.com |
| 04:36.11 | smartbhai | saloxin ,maher : thanx a lot |
| 04:36.24 | mwilson | jeff01: "still learning all this stuff"? Then why were you going to be running unstable? |
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| 04:36.45 | jeff01 | jeff01, at the insistence of my lovely friend, karrot-x |
| 04:36.51 | cio | I know how to set the kernel switch 'quiet', but is there any way to hide the output that remains? Like a 'superquiet' switch? |
| 04:36.56 | Pixels- | run stable, trust me |
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| 04:37.10 | Pixels- | dont do etch unless you have some knowledge lol |
| 04:37.28 | jeff01 | Pixels- i have some, just not as much as most ppl in here |
| 04:37.55 | Pixels- | well, if you don't know what a livecd is, then chances are you dont have enough info to work with unstable |
| 04:38.01 | Pixels- | not being insulting, just stating facts |
| 04:38.05 | jeff01 | Pixels- i ran sarge when it was unstable for a couple of months and was able to correct all the mistakes |
| 04:38.24 | jeff01 | that i ran in to |
| 04:38.26 | amphi | jeff01: what's wrong with stable? |
| 04:38.39 | saloxin | the last year og testing/unstable before sarge release were a piece of cacke. now is hell |
| 04:38.56 | jeff01 | amphi i was under the impression that alot of packages were geared toward unstable |
| 04:39.04 | amphi | jeff01: huh? |
| 04:39.10 | jeff01 | karrot-x again |
| 04:39.24 | Pixels- | jeff01: what are you using linux for? desktop, server? |
| 04:39.33 | jeff01 | Pixels- little of both |
| 04:39.40 | Pixels- | run stable then :) |
| 04:39.57 | jeff01 | Pixels- im guessing that will save me these types of headaches |
| 04:40.03 | Pixels- | yup :) |
| 04:40.25 | Pixels- | trust me, ive had to reinstall a few times, due to unstable packages |
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| 04:40.28 | jeff01 | Pixels- sweet. time to reinstal to fix the problem |
| 04:40.29 | cio | I know how to set the kernel switch 'quiet', but is there any way to hide the output that remains? Like a 'superquiet' switch? |
| 04:40.57 | mwilson | cio: Is there any reason to? |
| 04:41.15 | cio | Yea, I'm trying to make a box that comes up with no info until the login prompt hits. |
| 04:41.27 | mwilson | Because...? |
| 04:41.50 | amphi | cio: those ugly boot messages, huh? ;) |
| 04:41.55 | cio | Doesn't matter... Do you know how to hide everything? |
| 04:42.13 | Packeteer | jeff01: s'ok, i think woody was a much better release than sarge too |
| 04:42.30 | jeff01 | Packeteer well isnt sarge stable now? |
| 04:42.35 | mwilson | Send the output of all your initscripts to null, I suppose. The output isn't being generated by the kernel. |
| 04:42.36 | maher | Packeteer: not a patch on bo though |
| 04:42.50 | Packeteer | jeff01: yes it is |
| 04:43.00 | cio | Is there a global way to do it or would I have to modify a bunch of scripts? |
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| 04:43.31 | BrianAnthony | how do I find out where a package installed something |
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| 04:43.40 | Phated | mwilson: Output of boot is not sent by init. Not till much later. |
| 04:43.42 | maher | BrianAnthony: dpkg -L |
| 04:43.43 | mwilson | BrianAnthony: Uh, you look? |
| 04:43.44 | linuxg0d | good question |
| 04:43.44 | gravity | BrianAnthony: dpkg -L packagename |
| 04:43.47 | linuxg0d | keeep it up |
| 04:43.53 | linuxg0d | cya i am off |
| 04:44.04 | mwilson | Phated: He's already shut off the kernel output. |
| 04:44.11 | Bogaurd | maher: back on now, what was the name of that package? |
| 04:44.11 | mwilson | Phated: Gods only know why. |
| 04:44.12 | Guerin | cio: turn your monitor off |
| 04:44.20 | cio | heh.. |
| 04:44.27 | Guerin | !splashy |
| 04:44.27 | dpkg | hmm... splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in experimental but works in sarge all right. |
| 04:44.33 | maher | Bogaurd: foomatic-filters-ppds |
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| 04:44.36 | cio | Actually, it's for a huge 12 foot by 12 foot display in a mall... |
| 04:44.38 | Guerin | easy bootsplash system there |
| 04:44.38 | Bogaurd | maher: thanks |
| 04:44.52 | mwilson | Never could understand people who thought bootsplash was something worth bothering with. |
| 04:44.55 | Guerin | cio: boot it once and then never again |
| 04:45.14 | Bogaurd | maher: cannot be found =\ |
| 04:45.23 | cio | Guerin - that decision's out of my hands... |
| 04:45.36 | cio | Goa site for splashy? |
| 04:45.38 | mwilson | cio: So? Why would you switch video to it until you were ready to display it? It'd seem like the height of incompetence to ME if you even had the login dialog appearing on it. |
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| 04:46.01 | mwilson | cio: Something like that shouldn't be the boot display. |
| 04:46.17 | Guerin | mwilson: yeah. |
| 04:46.31 | Guerin | have the second display only run once X is started |
| 04:46.41 | maher | Bogaurd: umm... look under the bed |
| 04:46.45 | mwilson | Like when you walk through the airport and see a Windows Dr. Watson on the screen. |
| 04:46.52 | Bogaurd | maher: argh, kill me now! i'm on dialup here. 40 mins! |
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| 04:47.24 | Bogaurd | maher: there's got to be a way for it to work with the old drivers, i mean, it worked fine parallel... |
| 04:47.25 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/why_i_am_glad_i_dont_have_a_korean_bank_account.jpg |
| 04:48.00 | maher | Bogaurd: i guess you cold just dl the ppd you want... |
| 04:48.12 | Bogaurd | maher: yes, good idea. |
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| 04:48.40 | Phated | We have plasma displays that run DOS in train stations in .sg. One of them has been stuck trying to find a boot device for the last 2 days. |
| 04:48.48 | Phated | And it's still searching |
| 04:49.24 | Guerin | haha |
| 04:49.40 | BrianAnthony | meh, how do I find where the java virtual machine is |
| 04:49.44 | nvz | I would not get on a plane or a train in these kinds of places |
| 04:49.45 | BrianAnthony | I'm using the blackdown java |
| 04:49.56 | Guerin | BrianAnthony: read the docs |
| 04:50.05 | Guerin | BrianAnthony: and look at dpkg -L output |
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| 04:51.01 | Phated | nvz: The trains run fine. It's just the displays. And the fact the ENTIRE FSCKING train scheduling system runs on NT |
| 04:51.04 | Bogaurd | ok, once i have this PPD file, where do i put it? =\ |
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| 04:51.15 | amphi | Phated: heh |
| 04:51.30 | Guerin | well |
| 04:51.35 | nvz | Phated: yeah exactly. |
| 04:51.55 | Phated | nvz: Yeah, just realized that. |
| 04:52.05 | nvz | Phated: I'll be headed down a track at 60mph in a steel death car when win NT schedules another one comming right at me |
| 04:52.07 | Guerin | the timetable displays at korean train stations flick between english, korean and informational messages about once every 10 seconds |
| 04:52.33 | Guerin | which means it takes longer to figure out what train you need to catch than it does to actually ride the damn thing |
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| 04:52.39 | bob2 | I hate having slightly free time |
| 04:52.44 | bob2 | I can never pick one thing to do |
| 04:52.47 | nvz | heh |
| 04:52.54 | nvz | happens to the best of us |
| 04:53.01 | Phated | Guerin: You get informational messages? We get fscking adverts. BAD adverts. |
| 04:53.03 | Guerin | but sadly, this is by design, rather than incompetence |
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| 04:53.14 | Guerin | Phated: hell, they COULD be adverts. They're in kores. |
| 04:53.15 | nvz | I am picking going to sleep even though I am not tiredso I can try get back on a daylight schedule |
| 04:53.16 | Guerin | an |
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| 04:53.22 | bob2 | I had better get rich out of it, somehow |
| 04:53.23 | Pixels- | how do i turn a .rpm.bin into a .rpm ? |
| 04:53.24 | nevyn | bob2: that's leet.. |
| 04:53.24 | Pixels- | lol |
| 04:53.26 | bob2 | I've put too many hours into it |
| 04:53.29 | Phated | There should be a hardware failsafes that prevent the trains from going bang though. |
| 04:53.34 | Phated | SHOULD. |
| 04:53.34 | ClamIAm | hey, what's that program where you can kill processes by shooting them? |
| 04:53.37 | Guerin | Pixels-: just download the damn .bin |
| 04:53.37 | nevyn | bob2: I did stuff for the sprint in melbourne |
| 04:53.44 | nevyn | ClamIAm: doom for sysadmins |
| 04:53.48 | Guerin | you don't need a rpm |
| 04:53.57 | bob2 | nevyn: oh, cool |
| 04:54.07 | Pixels- | hmm |
| 04:54.19 | nvz | since those idiots called me tuesday to start a job yesturday at 11pm and then called me that afternoon after I had already adjusted my shedule to tell me they canceled |
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| 04:54.32 | nevyn | the fools gave me commit access MWAHAHAHA |
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| 04:54.38 | Bogaurd | god |
| 04:54.41 | Bogaurd | this is pissing me off |
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| 04:54.58 | Bogaurd | i have put the ppd in the cups ppd folder, but now cups deosnt see it |
| 04:55.01 | Bogaurd | wtf |
| 04:55.06 | Guerin | nvz: you get CALLED when a job has been cancelled? |
| 04:55.08 | Guerin | ! |
| 04:55.17 | nvz | would be nice to be in a situation to laugh at people when they give me a situation I dont like comes up |
| 04:55.22 | Guerin | i have to turn up at mine to know whether it's been cancelled or not |
| 04:55.24 | amphi | Bogaurd: if it's any consolation, esr wrote a rant about the evilness of cups |
| 04:55.32 | Guerin | happily, I get paid the same either way |
| 04:55.46 | Bogaurd | amphi: i'll write the sequel. |
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| 04:55.51 | nvz | Guerin: well it was through one of my staffing agencies. they keep you informed |
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| 04:55.59 | The_Ball | is there an application that will monitor the running processes and log if anyone is hogging the cpu? I have a box that runs as a webserver and sometimes the load is quite high and I am having difficulty locating what is using the cpu. |
| 04:56.05 | Guerin | oh ... like kelly services or manpower or such |
| 04:56.16 | nvz | Guerin: seems to me working for 3 of them, that I am better off finding my own full-time job |
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| 04:56.39 | Bogaurd | ARGH!! |
| 04:56.46 | Bogaurd | STUPID THING |
| 04:57.00 | amphi | heh |
| 04:57.24 | Bogaurd | this is a very real danger of my smashing my new printserver to bits. |
| 04:57.28 | Bogaurd | me* |
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| 04:57.49 | mwilson | Bogaurd: Uh, what's so hard? |
| 04:57.50 | nvz | Allstaff, Gregg Services, Kelly Services, LaborReady, Liken.. they are all a PITA but beats hunting jobs down when they actually do you right. |
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| 04:58.13 | Bogaurd | mwilson: i've just put the new driver on... but it still wont print the stupid thing |
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| 04:58.23 | mwilson | "new driver"? |
| 04:58.24 | Guerin | my wife worked for kelly during and after university, in banking |
| 04:58.35 | nvz | I think that one I rode out to BFE for was called ChoiceOne Staffing |
| 04:58.48 | Guerin | they did right by her, she got a cushy bank job paying $shitloads |
| 04:59.00 | mwilson | Why do you need any driver at all for a printserver? |
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| 04:59.07 | Guerin | i am currently, for the first time ever, earning more than my wife (marginally) |
| 04:59.14 | Guerin | though I have to do more hours for it |
| 04:59.17 | Bogaurd | mwilson: i'm trying to get cups to print to the printserver |
| 04:59.28 | mwilson | Bogaurd: Yes, what does that have to do with a driver? |
| 04:59.48 | Bogaurd | mwilson: don't i need to tell cups to use the hp driver? |
| 05:00.01 | mwilson | "hp driver"? What "hp driver"? |
| 05:00.19 | Bogaurd | OMG |
| 05:00.23 | Bogaurd | I TRIED IT ON RAW |
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| 05:00.26 | Bogaurd | AND IT WORKS |
| 05:00.30 | nvz | I wish I would have gotten that FedEx job through Allstaff, Liken, orone of them agencies. cause the reason I left on them was because they werent taking my pay seriously.. went too many weeks without getting the money I earned. |
| 05:00.35 | mwilson | You might conceivably need a driver for what's on the other end of the print server, but that's about all. |
| 05:00.36 | Bogaurd | goddamnit |
| 05:00.55 | Bogaurd | hooray, i have about 100 jobs spewing out now |
| 05:00.57 | Bogaurd | yay :D |
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| 05:01.26 | jmd | Anyone know of a way to get UDP forwarded over ssh? Like the -L and -R options? |
| 05:01.39 | Packeteer | Bogaurd: yeah, use raw if u use a print server :P |
| 05:01.44 | Bogaurd | mwilson: actually, it just printed a load of blank pages |
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| 05:01.53 | nvz | that shit doesnt happen with the agencies. now I have to wait for my man inside to undermind and replace the idiot who screwed up my pay before I can ever consider working there again |
| 05:02.11 | Bogaurd | mwilson: progress is being made - it starts to print. |
| 05:02.16 | mwilson | Bogaurd: Yes, as I said, you might need a driver for whatever's on the other end of the printserver, but not for the printserver itself. |
| 05:02.44 | Bogaurd | mwilson: yes. that's what i was using before... the driver for the printer, not the printerserver ;) |
| 05:02.59 | Pixels- | hmm, i need to find java-package but its not on the stable repositories? |
| 05:03.18 | mwilson | Pixels-: Of course not. |
| 05:03.34 | Pixels- | any other way to install java? |
| 05:03.35 | Pixels- | lol |
| 05:03.47 | mwilson | You find something funny? |
| 05:04.06 | mwilson | !java-package |
| 05:04.06 | dpkg | methinks java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 05:04.55 | Pixels- | i already know that |
| 05:05.00 | Bogaurd | wow, my printer just spat out a page covered in asci smileys. |
| 05:05.12 | mwilson | Pixels-: Well, then? |
| 05:05.14 | Bogaurd | who needs real printing when you can get smileys. |
| 05:05.22 | Bogaurd | black ones, and white ones. |
| 05:05.23 | amphi | Bogaurd: yeah, be happy |
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| 05:05.38 | Pixels- | there isnt a java-package when i do apt-get install |
| 05:05.57 | jmd | Anyone know how to get sftp to read from /dev/fd/0 ?? |
| 05:06.20 | Packeteer | jmd: is the fd mounted? |
| 05:06.30 | mwilson | Pixels-: So, what you're saying is that you *don't* "know that", and can't be bothered to *read* that. |
| 05:06.33 | jmd | Packeteer, ??? |
| 05:06.42 | Pixels- | im reading that now |
| 05:06.46 | Pixels- | and i have read that |
| 05:06.48 | Bogaurd | ok, can anyone shed light on the cups error 'no pages found!'? |
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| 05:06.53 | Bogaurd | please? before i go crazy? |
| 05:06.57 | jmd | Packeteer, Why should /dev/fd/0 be mounted ? |
| 05:07.07 | Pixels- | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 05:07.18 | jmd | ahh maybe you're getting confused with /dev/fd0 |
| 05:07.21 | mwilson | Pixels-: Really. And I've actually taken the time to check, and I know quite well that stable, testing, and unstable all contain that package, right where the factoid says it is. |
| 05:07.30 | Guerin | Pixels-: follow the instructions |
| 05:07.31 | Packeteer | jmd: i assume it is a floppy disk... if u want to be able to read from it it would need to be mounted |
| 05:07.57 | jmd | Packeteer, No. /dev/fd/? are not floppy disks. They're file descriptors |
| 05:08.16 | jmd | /dev/fd0 is a floppy disk |
| 05:08.31 | Packeteer | oh, nm then |
| 05:09.15 | Bogaurd | anyone? no pages found? |
| 05:09.19 | mwilson | Guerin: Think he actually will? |
| 05:09.44 | Pixels- | i am reading the instructions |
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| 05:09.49 | Guerin | mwilson: no, but we live in hope. |
| 05:09.50 | Pixels- | and like i said when i do an apt-get install |
| 05:09.59 | Pixels- | it says there is no package |
| 05:10.07 | mwilson | Pixels-: Meaning that you didn't read the instructions. |
| 05:10.18 | Pixels- | don't be a prick |
| 05:10.29 | mwilson | Don't refuse to do something for yourself. |
| 05:10.55 | doleyb | Pixels-: do you have contrib in sources.list ? |
| 05:11.06 | Pixels- | let me check doleyb |
| 05:11.27 | Pixels- | no, i dont |
| 05:11.28 | Bogaurd | mwilson: can i ask for some help again? :( |
| 05:11.35 | Pixels- | ill add that, thank you doleyb |
| 05:11.43 | jmd | Can anyone tell me how to set up a pipe between two machines? |
| 05:11.50 | mwilson | Pixels-: But of course you read the instructions. |
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| 05:11.58 | Pixels- | it doesnt say that |
| 05:12.02 | Pixels- | mwilson |
| 05:12.05 | mwilson | Oh? |
| 05:12.11 | mwilson | !java-package |
| 05:12.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 05:12.15 | Packeteer | jmd: netcat ? |
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| 05:12.57 | jmd | Packeteer, Thanks |
| 05:12.58 | Pixels- | it doesnt say that on the site |
| 05:13.02 | Pixels- | sorry, missed that |
| 05:13.07 | mwilson | On what "site"? |
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| 05:13.26 | Pixels- | http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 |
| 05:13.31 | Pixels- | the one in the instructions |
| 05:13.34 | Pixels- | or didnt you read that? |
| 05:13.55 | Pixels- | i'm really glad I dont have to ask for help in here much |
| 05:14.03 | Pixels- | people like you could drive someone away |
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| 05:14.42 | mwilson | Pixels-: Me? I don't need to read it. I have no need or use for Java. |
| 05:14.52 | Pixels- | okay, well thanks for the help |
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| 05:16.20 | Gnea | Pixels-: people are good at driving themselves away |
| 05:17.12 | mwilson | Pixels-: It may come as a shock to you, but it doesn't really matter to most people what software you use, any more than it matters to most people what kind of car you drive. |
| 05:17.48 | Pixels- | its not a shock, and I missed one detail |
| 05:18.00 | Pixels- | no reason to get snippy, and rude about "think he will follow directions?" |
| 05:18.08 | Gnea | it's all about attitude and how one responds |
| 05:18.24 | Gnea | who was getting rude and snippy? |
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| 05:18.36 | Pixels- | maybe I just misread or took it the wrong way |
| 05:18.39 | Pixels- | its the internet, and happens |
| 05:18.49 | Bogaurd | mwilson: i have it working 100% now. the problem is just it wont print test pages, no idea why! |
| 05:18.51 | Pixels- | and I'm here to learn, and have fun |
| 05:18.54 | Gnea | right, so it's better not to assume rudeness |
| 05:18.57 | Pixels- | so no reason to dwell |
| 05:19.03 | Pixels- | i apologize |
| 05:19.07 | Gnea | it's all good |
| 05:19.48 | mwilson | Bogaurd: I'm not about to try and troubleshoot why CUPS does what it does. It's an incredibly brittle piece of software. |
| 05:20.15 | Bogaurd | mwilson: i don't mind, was just letting you know its working :) |
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| 05:20.46 | mwilson | CUPS is like everything that's wrong with printing under *nix, all rolled into one box. |
| 05:20.53 | amphi | heh |
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| 05:21.19 | Packeteer | o_0 |
| 05:21.27 | Packeteer | cups rulez for printing imo |
| 05:21.59 | Kuun-Lann | hello |
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| 05:23.33 | streuner | Packeteer: if you need 2 hours to configure a printer something is wrong |
| 05:24.09 | Packeteer | streuner: takes me less than 5 mins on my box (not debian) |
| 05:24.20 | Packeteer | same on my servers |
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| 05:28.04 | streuner | Packeteer: well, i need less than 2 minutes to configure my Laser Printer .. ;-) |
| 05:28.34 | streuner | s/need/needed/ |
| 05:29.11 | streuner | debian ;-) |
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| 05:30.57 | Packeteer | streuner: each to their own, i've used cups for years and its been fine :) |
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| 05:31.01 | Nerd_Wizard | Hi, can somebody help me?... how can i see a swf (file, flash) |
| 05:31.32 | vineet | Nerd_Wizard: firefox w/ the flash plugin is probably easiest |
| 05:31.48 | da_bon_bon | Nerd_Wizard: debian-unoffical.org will help |
| 05:32.08 | Guerin | !flash |
| 05:32.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flash is If you want the flashplayer browser plugin, go to http://www.flash.com and follow the instructions there. Or look at the flashplugin-nonfree package, or most flash crap you see is from banner ads, and very little of it actual real and potentially interesting content. get yourself some object blocking/filtering extensions in your favourite browser, or missing fonts? install gsfonts-x11 |
| 05:32.30 | Nerd_Wizard | vineet: ok thanx... another site? |
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| 05:33.50 | da_bon_bon | Nerd_Wizard: its better if you let apt manage it -- the repo will be debian-unofficial.org |
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| 05:34.22 | da_bon_bon | however, the installer available on flash.com works too |
| 05:34.35 | mwilson | Everyone says that printing under *nix is hard. That's a lie... it's not. It's about the easiest thing there is. The hard thing is attempting to "support" all the brain-dead hardware that passes for "printers" in the Windows world. |
| 05:34.37 | Nerd_Wizard | da_bon_bon: apt-get somethin? |
| 05:35.00 | da_bon_bon | lol, mwilson |
| 05:35.14 | Gnea | heh |
| 05:35.20 | Nerd_Wizard | i gonna look! |
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| 05:35.31 | Nerd_Wizard | ThanX to everyone! |
| 05:35.34 | da_bon_bon | Nerd_Wizard: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:35.36 | lemur | cups made me jump for joy |
| 05:35.38 | encompass | goodmorning everyone |
| 05:35.48 | lemur | but there is still no substitute for a good line printer |
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| 05:35.57 | Nerd_Wizard | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:36.02 | Nerd_Wizard | hahahah |
| 05:36.03 | lemur | because I love piping my character streams into the printer |
| 05:36.10 | Nerd_Wizard | i'll try |
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| 05:36.31 | encompass | is there a feature in mv that can make it NOT case sensitive |
| 05:36.43 | Gnea | lemur: so you work in the legal sector? |
| 05:36.46 | da_bon_bon | Nerd_Wizard: dpkg doesnt joke often |
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| 05:36.50 | bob2 | encompass: no, that would be a bug |
| 05:36.57 | bob2 | encompass: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 05:37.10 | encompass | move all Moby music into another directory |
| 05:37.21 | lemur | Gnea: no, more like the nerd sector |
| 05:37.25 | encompass | moby MOBY Moby like that |
| 05:37.32 | Gnea | lemur: oh ok |
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| 05:37.48 | Packeteer | mv files/* destination/ |
| 05:38.03 | Packeteer | encompass: ^^ |
| 05:38.30 | encompass | yeah, like this.... mv files/*Moby* only gets the Moby not moby |
| 05:38.47 | encompass | is there a command the can go without that |
| 05:38.54 | Gnea | mv files/*[Mm]oby* |
| 05:38.58 | encompass | I mean, doesn't gnome search do that? |
| 05:39.23 | encompass | but what about MOBY or moBy something like that |
| 05:39.26 | Phated | ls | grep moby | xargs -ifoo mv foo $DEST |
| 05:39.37 | Gnea | mv files/*[Mm][Oo][Bb][Yy]* |
| 05:39.42 | amphi | encompass: or use find -iname '*moby*' ... |
| 05:39.52 | encompass | haha |
| 05:39.53 | encompass | wow |
| 05:39.53 | nkuttler | encompass: or man rename |
| 05:39.56 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:39.58 | Phated | Ignore the above. |
| 05:40.14 | encompass | I like the grep one, would it even work |
| 05:40.20 | encompass | like that one is intence |
| 05:40.20 | encompass | haha |
| 05:40.27 | Gnea | try it? |
| 05:40.29 | Phated | Or use -i with grep to make it not bother about case. |
| 05:40.34 | caphuso | find . -maxdepth 1 -iname '*moby*' -print0 | xargs -0 mv --target-dir=/new/location |
| 05:40.44 | encompass | le me try one of them |
| 05:40.58 | Gnea | caphuso: now do it in perl:) |
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| 05:41.12 | caphuso | shameless zsh plug: mv (#i)*moby* /new/location |
| 05:41.21 | Nerd_Wizard | Thanx to everyone! |
| 05:41.25 | Nerd_Wizard | bye! |
| 05:41.32 | Gnea | later |
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| 05:41.39 | bob2 | ah, I knew there'd be a zsh glob for it |
| 05:41.53 | da_bon_bon | encompass: cant you just use a gui file manager utility ? |
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| 05:42.14 | python_ | hello |
| 05:42.17 | Gnea | while you're at it, why not let emacs control your files for you? :P |
| 05:42.20 | encompass | I want to learn howto in the commandline |
| 05:42.32 | encompass | it is better for me when I start using linux in the real world |
| 05:42.49 | encompass | the [Mm] one worked perfectly |
| 05:42.50 | da_bon_bon | so you are on vmware right now, encompass ? |
| 05:42.55 | encompass | no |
| 05:42.55 | Gnea | encompass: drop your monitor on the ground, get a text-only monitor and live off of that for months. |
| 05:43.04 | encompass | I am using bitchx in the cammandline |
| 05:43.07 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:43.08 | Guerin | ooo |
| 05:43.10 | Phated | irssi. |
| 05:43.12 | Guerin | that makes u 1337 |
| 05:43.25 | encompass | irssi? is that better? |
| 05:43.34 | Guerin | !best irc client |
| 05:43.34 | dpkg | [irssi-text] probably the best IRC client |
| 05:43.34 | Gnea | !better |
| 05:43.34 | dpkg | hmm... better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 05:43.37 | Phated | ... no, I'm just saying it at random. |
| 05:43.49 | da_bon_bon | when i try to install openoffice.org2 from experimental .. i get lots of dependancy errors .. anyone else face that ? |
| 05:44.03 | Phated | !experimental |
| 05:44.04 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
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| 05:44.27 | mr_kreg | is there such a tool to scan the ioports, and look for any problems? i have 6 nics in one PC. works great with 5 nics, however with the 6th on in, i sometimes get an irq conflict. |
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| 05:44.36 | da_bon_bon | oh |
| 05:44.37 | da_bon_bon | :( |
| 05:44.43 | Gnea | cat /proc/ioports |
| 05:44.57 | mr_kreg | Gnea just look for any overlaps in the hex |
| 05:44.58 | encompass | goto openoffice.org and get it |
| 05:45.02 | mr_kreg | Gnea ? |
| 05:45.08 | da_bon_bon | encompass: why not let apt do it ? |
| 05:45.19 | Guerin | da_bon_bon: it's not the user saying "hey, let's experiment with some packages", it's the maintainer sayin "muhahaha, I need some computers for my packages to experiment on" |
| 05:45.20 | encompass | haha, because they are working on it |
| 05:45.35 | Gnea | mr_kreg: are you using up every pci slot? |
| 05:45.35 | litage | how do sata raid controllers compare to parallel raid controllers? |
| 05:45.39 | mr_kreg | Gnea is it possible for an overlap to exsist, and if does exsist, would showup in /proc/ioports ? |
| 05:45.40 | Phated | !Guerin++ |
| 05:45.44 | mr_kreg | Gnea yes, and both ISA too. |
| 05:45.48 | Guerin | da_bon_bon: the upstream packages install to /opt, which means you can delete \them trivially when they break |
| 05:45.51 | Gnea | litage: parallel raid controllers exist? |
| 05:46.00 | litage | Gnea: don't they? |
| 05:46.15 | da_bon_bon | ok, Guerin |
| 05:46.16 | encompass | mr_kreg was the last card you put in ISA? |
| 05:46.23 | mr_kreg | encompass yes |
| 05:46.26 | da_bon_bon | Guerin: meaning, i must leave it alone, till its in the main repos ? |
| 05:46.35 | Guerin | da_bon_bon: you'd be a fool not to. |
| 05:46.40 | encompass | is so, then you may have to manually set that card's irq if I am not mistaken |
| 05:46.43 | Gnea | mr_kreg: you might want to check into obtaining some pci cards with multiple nic ports on them |
| 05:46.59 | da_bon_bon | Guerin: ok. advice taken... i will try the official installer, though |
| 05:47.00 | mr_kreg | Gnea ya, i'm chearm *shrug* |
| 05:47.01 | Gnea | mr_kreg: or try changing the pci= options at boottime |
| 05:47.04 | mr_kreg | arg |
| 05:47.10 | mr_kreg | typo == cheap |
| 05:47.11 | Gnea | like pci=routeirq |
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| 05:47.32 | Gnea | litage: you can't find any? |
| 05:47.33 | tawfik | How can I view .pps files in linux? |
| 05:47.35 | mr_kreg | *shrug* not sure what that does |
| 05:47.42 | Gnea | tawfik: openoffice |
| 05:47.42 | encompass | check the ISA cards, make sure they are not set at the same DMA IRQ stuffy stuff |
| 05:47.45 | mr_kreg | tawfik power point? |
| 05:47.48 | litage | Gnea: i'm just getting into raid and have little knowledge on the subject |
| 05:47.58 | tawfik | mr_kreg: for linux? |
| 05:48.00 | Guerin | tawfik: try openoffice impress |
| 05:48.07 | tawfik | mr_kreg: i guess openoffice should do |
| 05:48.16 | mr_kreg | encompass ya they are hard set to irq 10 and the other at 15, both with different base. they are old 3com etherlink III's |
| 05:48.20 | Gnea | litage: ah, well there are scsi, ide and sata raid hardware controllers - sata and scsi tend to outperform ide by a longshot |
| 05:48.23 | Guerin | tawfik: but a better idea is to just not use them, and complain to whoever made them to use something real |
| 05:48.34 | mr_kreg | tawfik ya. openoffice is really nice these days. |
| 05:48.37 | encompass | 3com makes good cards... hmm |
| 05:48.43 | litage | Gnea: ah, that's good to know. and scsi is obviously much more expensive than sata |
| 05:48.47 | da_bon_bon | cya guys |
| 05:48.50 | encompass | pull out your pci's and see if you can get them working |
| 05:48.52 | Gnea | mr_kreg: if youre motherboard supports things like edge interrupts then you should be alright |
| 05:49.01 | Kuun-Lann | excuse me .. i'm new in linux and i'm looking for sources.list for SID |
| 05:49.02 | tawfik | Guerin: that day is coming, but it is not here yet :) |
| 05:49.13 | Gnea | litage: that's a matter of debate these days. but in general, yeah |
| 05:49.15 | valdyn_ | Kuun-Lann: if you are new in linux, dont use sid |
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| 05:49.20 | Tallia1[UbuntU] | hi |
| 05:49.27 | mr_kreg | encompass all 6 are working currently. but i've gotten a kernel panic at times while the box is running. says something about "interrupt not syncing" |
| 05:49.34 | Tallia1[UbuntU] | any idea on how to change the keystroke associated with the middle mouse button? |
| 05:49.37 | nkuttler | Tallia1[UbuntU]: hi, #ubuntu |
| 05:49.44 | Tallia1[UbuntU] | :P |
| 05:49.46 | Gnea | mr_kreg: which kernel? |
| 05:49.48 | Kuun-Lann | valdyn_: but can i have the sources.list anyway? |
| 05:49.58 | mr_kreg | Gnea 2.4.26 |
| 05:50.01 | Gnea | Tallia1[UbuntU]: nope |
| 05:50.06 | encompass | mr_kreg it could be that the card is on the fritzee I had that happen with my PCMCIA card |
| 05:50.11 | Tallia1[UbuntU] | i think that is something in X11 |
| 05:50.12 | ke6isf | Kuun-Lann: Why are you running sid if you're new to Linux? |
| 05:50.14 | Gnea | mr_kreg: what about 2.6.8 or 2.6.11? |
| 05:50.18 | mr_kreg | encompass yep, could be. |
| 05:50.29 | mr_kreg | Gnea i dunno. haven't dove into 2.6.x yet. don't even know how to use one. |
| 05:50.43 | vineet | Kuun-Lann: the lines you already have, change "sarge" or "stable" to "sid" or "unstable" |
| 05:50.45 | Gnea | mr_kreg: oh it's massively simple, and very rewarding |
| 05:50.51 | mr_kreg | like modprobe and stuff i hear are diff. |
| 05:51.00 | Gnea | !tell mr_kreg about 2.6 |
| 05:51.00 | ke6isf | Kuun-Lann: DO NOT DO THAT. |
| 05:51.00 | Kuun-Lann | vineet: ok |
| 05:51.03 | nkuttler | vineet: give him your email so that you give him more support |
| 05:51.09 | mr_kreg | Gnea ya i prolly should. but it's just a firewall/router box. |
| 05:51.16 | mr_kreg | Gnea heh heh, thanks |
| 05:51.19 | litage | Gnea: how is that a matter of debate? the average 73gb 10k scsi drive is close to $400USD |
| 05:51.19 | nkuttler | !tell Kuun-Lann about sid faq |
| 05:51.30 | Tallia1[UbuntU] | isn't there a X11 channel? |
| 05:51.32 | vineet | nkuttler: if you don't want to help, stfu |
| 05:51.39 | Gnea | mr_kreg: yeah, 2.6 has a lot of nice changes in that code as well |
| 05:51.39 | vineet | I'll be here to help when I can |
| 05:51.42 | ke6isf | Kuun-Lann: Trust us, you DO NOT WANT TO RUN SID if you are new to Linux. |
| 05:51.51 | nkuttler | vineet: you're _not_ helping, dumbass |
| 05:51.51 | mr_kreg | Gnea think my 2.4 iptables will work in 2.6? |
| 05:51.52 | tawfik | Guerin: do you think "openoffice.org-bin" will do in apt-get? |
| 05:51.57 | ke6isf | vineet: Giving a newbie hints on upgrading to sid is the exact opposite of 'help'. |
| 05:52.01 | encompass | mr_kreg it probly doesn{t cost much for a card with to nicks in it... don't drink pop for a week and you can probably buy one |
| 05:52.03 | encompass | ;P |
| 05:52.08 | Gnea | litage: it depends how far you scale and which outlet you choose to purchase from |
| 05:52.14 | Guerin | tawfik: i think you need openoffice.org - read what apt-cache show says |
| 05:52.17 | Gnea | mr_kreg: without a hitch. |
| 05:52.26 | Guerin | encompass: to nicks? |
| 05:52.27 | mr_kreg | encompass hah hah, that's exactly my problem thos (notices empty 64oz pepsi mug) |
| 05:52.31 | encompass | nics |
| 05:52.35 | encompass | sorry |
| 05:52.36 | encompass | haha |
| 05:52.41 | Kuun-Lann | ke6isf: thats horrible sid ? |
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| 05:52.56 | Guerin | !sid faq |
| 05:52.57 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 05:52.58 | ke6isf | Kuun-Lann: For the purpose, yes. Sid is the nickname to the unstable branch of Debian. |
| 05:53.00 | vineet | imo, being condescending and hostile doesn't help either. You can give advice without withholding information |
| 05:53.00 | Guerin | yes, sid is horrible |
| 05:53.01 | ke6isf | !sid |
| 05:53.01 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 05:53.09 | Gnea | mr_kreg: bbiaf |
| 05:53.10 | encompass | thats what I do when I upgrade... starve... |
| 05:53.11 | tawfik | Guerin: it was the only one, that didn't show, "language pack" or "help suite", there were some other packs, which said "debian specific files for openoffice", do you think I should install those as well? |
| 05:53.20 | valdyn_ | litage: if your raid controller is pata or sata is almost irrelevant. Sata is > pata b/c it is hotpluggable ( if the driver supports it ), and the cables are 'nicer'. |
| 05:53.24 | Kuun-Lann | ke6isf: ah ok lol |
| 05:53.26 | vineet | They can ignore your advice, and maybe cause themselves pain |
| 05:53.28 | mr_kreg | last i checked newegg.com a dual nic was about $100 |
| 05:53.29 | Guerin | vineet: people who are smart enough to run unstable will figure it out for themselves |
| 05:53.40 | Guerin | vineet: the problem is, they whine in here and cause US pain |
| 05:53.42 | stew | valdyn_: my pata raid controllers are hotpluggable |
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| 05:53.49 | nkuttler | !stupid answers |
| 05:53.49 | dpkg | Giving someone the literal answer to their stupid question, when you KNOW it will cause them to damage their system, qualifies as a stupid answer. Also, spoon-feeding someone the answer to their FAQ instead of making them read the FAQ just leads them to ask *more* stupid questions; so that's a stupid answer too. |
| 05:53.49 | ke6isf | vineet: That defeats the purpose of this channel. |
| 05:53.51 | Guerin | vineet: "but some1 in here told me 2 do it lol" |
| 05:53.53 | valdyn_ | stew: neat |
| 05:54.10 | vineet | right, I understand |
| 05:54.21 | stew | valdyn_: i'm just saying its not necessarily sata controllers that get you that |
| 05:54.21 | ke6isf | vineet: Well, if you understand, DON'T FUCKING DO THAT! |
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| 05:54.55 | valdyn_ | stew: yea, i just figure that liteage is talking about one of those cheap ~40$ fake raid things |
| 05:55.11 | vineet | I didn't tell him he should do it |
| 05:55.17 | stew | valdyn_: right. |
| 05:55.19 | encompass | anyway, thanks for the help see yas |
| 05:55.54 | stew | i just buy old 3ware cards pata cards on ebay, you can get them for < $100usd and they are great |
| 05:55.55 | ke6isf | !lart vineet |
| 05:56.28 | ke6isf | I'm done discussing it. |
| 05:56.30 | vineet | this channel has an attitude problem |
| 05:56.36 | stew | ke6isf: enough |
| 05:57.30 | Guerin | ke6isf: that was nothing like the most egregious sid evangelism i've seen here in the past week |
| 05:57.38 | smartbhai | vineet : huh |
| 05:57.50 | smartbhai | vineet : dont talk rubbish |
| 05:57.59 | justin420 | hi. anybody help with what file i should edit to specify my client hostname to my dhcp server? the problem i have is that my linksys befsr41v2 does give my computer a client hostname, it just gives it a blank hostname with a vaild ip?? |
| 05:58.19 | vineet | I'm not |
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| 05:58.28 | stew | drop it and move on... |
| 05:58.31 | ke6isf | Guerin: I get a feeling that knowing what it was would just infuriate me more. |
| 05:58.56 | streuner | use ignore |
| 05:58.58 | streuner | .. |
| 05:59.03 | Guerin | justin420: make your /etc/hostname file immutable or edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 05:59.49 | justin420 | thanks alot Guerin, thats exactly what i was looking for. :) |
| 06:00.10 | Guerin | justin420: the second idea is more work but more correct |
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| 06:00.42 | dngrval | it is also less likely to trip intrusion detection scripts and the like |
| 06:00.51 | justin420 | I would rather do something the right way even if it takes longer, than the half-assed way. :) |
| 06:01.14 | ke6isf | !justin420++ |
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| 06:01.26 | colera | anyone here familiar with evidence? |
| 06:01.40 | deadcat | colera: try #e |
| 06:01.46 | ke6isf | colera: evidence of....? |
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| 06:01.57 | deadcat | file manager right? |
| 06:02.03 | colera | deadcat: yeah |
| 06:02.11 | sussudio_ | !anyone use |
| 06:02.11 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 06:02.35 | deadcat | colera: doesnt seem fancy. i mean the themes arent that good. |
| 06:03.14 | colera | deadcat: oh it was recommended by a friend, i need a good file manager |
| 06:03.35 | smartbhai | colera : nautilus is good ... in gnome |
| 06:03.41 | colera | deadcat: i use fluxbox, i would like a file manager that is standalone |
| 06:03.41 | egon_spengler | My vote for midnight commander |
| 06:03.44 | ke6isf | colera: What wm are you running? |
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| 06:04.01 | deadcat | colera: try rox-filer |
| 06:04.05 | smartbhai | well mc is pretty good |
| 06:04.22 | Guerin | mc, or gentoo if you want a gui mc clone |
| 06:04.31 | deadcat | colera: i bet you will like rox-filer over all those |
| 06:04.37 | colera | deadcat: okay cool |
| 06:05.02 | ke6isf | Guerin: Gentoo is a file mangler as well? Dang, what isn't it? =^_^= |
| 06:05.18 | deadcat | gentoo is crap compare to rox-filer |
| 06:05.20 | Guerin | ke6isf: no relation |
| 06:05.23 | litage | valdyn_: sata HDs are hot pluggable even without a raid controller? |
| 06:05.27 | ke6isf | Guerin: Ah. |
| 06:05.29 | mplsnick | xfe is good also |
| 06:05.29 | Guerin | rox-filer was unusable last I used it |
| 06:05.42 | bjb_ | file manager? ls, find, locate |
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| 06:06.08 | deadcat | Guerin: thats like many years ago? its very usable now |
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| 06:06.21 | Guerin | deadcat: i mean that it made no sense |
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| 06:06.35 | deadcat | oh |
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| 06:06.37 | Guerin | it was like magic, instead of logic |
| 06:06.45 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:06.56 | colera | i'm sorry, a filemanager will no doubt make a person more efficient |
| 06:07.21 | deadcat | colera: that depends. |
| 06:07.37 | stew | there is no way my live would be easier using a file manager |
| 06:07.42 | deadcat | colera: you say that because maybe you are used to dragging things around. |
| 06:07.42 | stew | ^live^life |
| 06:07.43 | vineet | colera: I bet I'm more efficient with my system than you with yours |
| 06:07.52 | Guerin | colera: well, a *good* filemanager which doesn't interfere with a user's existing skills will. The trouble is that there aren't many of those |
| 06:08.09 | Guerin | mc is the closest I've found, and I still use it more rarely than plain shell |
| 06:08.18 | Guerin | and I'm not even very good in shell |
| 06:08.21 | ke6isf | colera: I live in command line for file management. If I was told to use a file manager, it would inhibit me. |
| 06:09.10 | Guerin | if a user doesn't have any existing skills beyondwhat a chosen filemanager provides, then sure, it's a fine idea |
| 06:09.21 | valdyn_ | litage: yea, sata supports hotplugging, most driver's do not though afaik |
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| 06:09.36 | mplsnick | xfe is a nice gui file manager if one prefers gui :) |
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| 06:09.55 | da_bon_bon | hi all. |
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| 06:10.03 | deadcat | mplsnick: that means he would have to install laods of xfce stuff. hes using fluxbox right now |
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| 06:10.21 | streuner | 'mc' is easy to use and has most things you need |
| 06:10.25 | da_bon_bon | my etch install tries to mount /selinux/ on every bootup -- even before init has started -- how do i stop that ? i dont use selinux. |
| 06:10.39 | deadcat | mc aint easy to use. the command line is easier than that damn thing |
| 06:11.06 | Guerin | deadcat: depends |
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| 06:11.16 | ke6isf | deadcat: it has its uses. |
| 06:11.21 | streuner | dude, iam running mc in years and in windows midnight commander clones before :-) |
| 06:11.21 | caphuso | like? |
| 06:11.22 | deadcat | whatever happened to pilot? (= is that a unix thing or what? |
| 06:11.34 | Guerin | deadcat: since mc allows you direct command line access, your point is moot |
| 06:11.40 | deadcat | streuner: pussy (= |
| 06:11.40 | bjb_ | da_bon_bon, you don't have etch. It hasn't been released yet. ... look in /etc/fstab |
| 06:11.41 | Guerin | that's what I mean about it not interfering |
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| 06:11.59 | da_bon_bon | bjb_: i meant "testing" . :) /etc/fstab has no entries, i checked. |
| 06:12.02 | deadcat | mplsnick: dont /msg me |
| 06:12.12 | dannyp | if by pussy you mean a strong, self-cleaning, and self-lubricating, then sure |
| 06:12.20 | tux | Hi, how can i to restar the audio services? |
| 06:12.23 | dannyp | s/a // |
| 06:12.25 | da_bon_bon | bjb_: anyway, mount from fstab is not done till init is started, right ? |
| 06:12.34 | streuner | midnight commander clones didn't survive the HARD live in software only because they are crap... |
| 06:12.39 | shocker | how can i install sun java? |
| 06:12.42 | valdyn_ | tux: which audio services? |
| 06:12.46 | tux | it was working fine but a restart and just dont work... |
| 06:13.05 | vineet | shocker: install the java-package package (from contrib) and download the binary installer from java.sun.com |
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| 06:13.15 | shocker | vineet: ok |
| 06:13.16 | bjb_ | I guess so da_bon_bon, well I know nothing about selinux so ... can't help you |
| 06:13.25 | deadcat | mplsnick: /topic, you can reply to me HERE! |
| 06:13.33 | tux | well, i don't know... but it was fine i mean xmms was working |
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| 06:13.40 | vineet | shocker: then use fakeroot make-jpkg and it builds a deb that you can install |
| 06:13.51 | vineet | shocker: it's pretty straightforward with java-package |
| 06:13.54 | da_bon_bon | :L( |
| 06:13.57 | da_bon_bon | selinux sux0rs |
| 06:13.58 | shocker | yep |
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| 06:14.07 | prjktdtnt | !tell prjktdtnt about marillat |
| 06:14.11 | tux | valdyn_ : are u copy me? |
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| 06:14.37 | ke6isf | !tell prjktdtnt -about msg the bot |
| 06:14.39 | valdyn_ | tux: yea, but you're being so vague i cant help you |
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| 06:14.48 | da_bon_bon | shocker: try www.debian-unofficial.org |
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| 06:15.40 | tux | valdyn_ ok... what kind of problem it could be... |
| 06:15.51 | vineet | with debian-unofficial, it makes a bunch of extra packages available as well, which may be a good thing or may not be what you want |
| 06:16.08 | vineet | but it would definitely be the easiest way to just get java installed now |
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| 06:16.12 | shocker | yea |
| 06:16.42 | shocker | i've got java-package installed and i got the bin from the sun site so i'll just try that way |
| 06:17.13 | tux | valdyn_ : but i can to restar the services, can't i? |
| 06:17.33 | mplsnick | easiest method I found for installing java on debian, is add deb http://www.tux.org/pub/java/debian/ testing non-free to sources.list then apt-get install j2re.1.4 |
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| 06:17.54 | da_bon_bon | mplsnick: why use old jre /? |
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| 06:18.05 | shocker | thats what i was goign to say |
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| 06:18.51 | da_bon_bon | :) |
| 06:19.20 | mplsnick | because it works? whats wrong with jre? :) |
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| 06:20.43 | tux | ok, thanx any way... |
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| 06:21.11 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
| 06:21.13 | da_bon_bon | back. |
| 06:21.16 | vineet | mplsnick: 1.4 is the old one ... sun has up to 1.5.0_05 by now |
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| 06:21.17 | tux | And thanx for believe on GNU!!! |
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| 06:21.23 | tux | bye!!! |
| 06:21.29 | da_bon_bon | i messed a bit in /etc/rcX.d/ and now its a fudge .. is there a way to get it to the default ? |
| 06:21.43 | da_bon_bon | vineet: wait a few days and u will have _07 :) |
| 06:21.47 | mplsnick | I didnt bother to upgrade since it still works :) |
| 06:21.48 | ke6isf | tux: Well, if you don't actually tell us the problem, we can't help now. |
| 06:21.54 | vineet | da_bon_bon: look in another rc?.d directory; they should all be the same |
| 06:22.05 | vineet | well, 2 3 4 5 anyway |
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| 06:22.37 | da_bon_bon | vineet: ok.. rc4 is the original.. i had not messed it .. how do i copy all stuff from it ? "cp" copies files, not symlinks :( |
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| 06:22.55 | vineet | da_bon_bon: cp -af |
| 06:23.10 | tux | It doesn't matter... maybe is somethin easy. i'm gonna look around. |
| 06:23.14 | da_bon_bon | thanks, vineet |
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| 06:23.18 | tux | thanx! |
| 06:23.24 | ke6isf | tux: Good luck. |
| 06:23.34 | da_bon_bon | vineet: i dont know if i remember right, but rc2 had symlink joystick which others didnt |
| 06:23.39 | jaybar | why doesnt gimp have a print option anymore? |
| 06:23.40 | da_bon_bon | not that i need a joystick |
| 06:24.12 | vineet | da_bon_bon: hmm, that shouldn't be |
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| 06:25.06 | Nurbs | jaybar: install gimp-print |
| 06:25.16 | da_bon_bon | vineet: cant i use any program to set it the way it was ? |
| 06:25.25 | shocker | is php5 in debian ? |
| 06:25.30 | da_bon_bon | gimp-print! what! debian splits packages SO much ? |
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| 06:25.36 | ke6isf | Nurbs: No such package, perhaps gimpprint-locales? |
| 06:25.36 | vineet | da_bon_bon: yeah, restore your backups =) |
| 06:25.43 | streuner | shocker: if you have to ask just use php4 |
| 06:25.43 | jaybar | Nurbs: hi ..i couldnt find it |
| 06:25.50 | da_bon_bon | vineet: dont have any :) |
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| 06:26.18 | da_bon_bon | vineet: btw, indian ? |
| 06:26.20 | ke6isf | jaybar: Hang on, I'm gonna try something. |
| 06:26.24 | Nurbs | mhm, only in unstable so far |
| 06:26.27 | ke6isf | jaybar: What version of Debian are you using? |
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| 06:26.37 | jaybar | ke6isf: testing |
| 06:26.37 | Nurbs | if you're on testing you're out of luck for now |
| 06:26.43 | shocker | streuner: then some object orientation functions won't work |
| 06:26.47 | Nurbs | or use unstables version |
| 06:26.51 | Nurbs | +' |
| 06:26.56 | streuner | for servers? |
| 06:26.56 | da_bon_bon | Nurbs: you use debian unstable / |
| 06:26.57 | da_bon_bon | ? |
| 06:27.07 | jaybar | Nurbs: why what happened |
| 06:27.11 | jaybar | ? |
| 06:27.21 | Nurbs | da_bon_bon: unstable/experimental/... |
| 06:27.26 | ke6isf | jaybar: Feh, gimpprint-locales doesn't turn it up. |
| 06:27.36 | Nurbs | jaybar: because it has been split. |
| 06:27.38 | da_bon_bon | Nurbs: whoa! you have many boxes, it seems ? |
| 06:27.57 | Nurbs | da_bon_bon: 3, all of which run unstable/experimental |
| 06:28.13 | da_bon_bon | Nurbs: are they production systems ? |
| 06:28.15 | jaybar | Nurbs: wierd.. doesnt that qualify as breakin the package |
| 06:28.26 | Nurbs | da_bon_bon: for me, yes. |
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| 06:28.51 | da_bon_bon | is it difficult to manage unstable ? |
| 06:28.58 | da_bon_bon | i want to migrate testing -> unstable |
| 06:28.59 | streuner | asking a php5 question and running windows, great :-) |
| 06:29.02 | Nurbs | da_bon_bon: depends on yourself :o) |
| 06:29.06 | da_bon_bon | for the newer packages |
| 06:29.09 | ke6isf | !iyhtays da_bon_bon |
| 06:29.11 | dpkg | da_bon_bon: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 06:29.29 | da_bon_bon | ke6isf: hadnt you given that to me before ? :) |
| 06:29.35 | da_bon_bon | Nurbs: you use kdE ? |
| 06:29.42 | Nurbs | jaybar: gimp-print will probably move from unstable to testing soon. the gimp version already has |
| 06:29.56 | Nurbs | da_bon_bon: kde? yes. why? |
| 06:29.56 | ke6isf | da_bon_bon: Likely. The issue still applies, though. |
| 06:30.08 | da_bon_bon | ke6isf: i agree. |
| 06:30.14 | Nurbs | :) |
| 06:30.15 | jaybar | Nurbs: ok ..thanx for the info.. |
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| 06:31.09 | da_bon_bon | Nurbs: when i try to dist-upgrade, it tries to remove amarok, k3b, kmoon, and a LOT of kde stuf .. but when after adding unstable repo, it manually apt-get install k3b , it updates the stuff |
| 06:31.11 | da_bon_bon | why ? |
| 06:31.17 | da_bon_bon | and what should be my plan of action ? |
| 06:31.27 | da_bon_bon | install k3b , hence update amarok and stuff |
| 06:31.31 | da_bon_bon | and then dist-upgrade ? |
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| 06:32.26 | vineet | da_bon_bon: I'd use aptitude |
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| 06:32.52 | da_bon_bon | oh.. or synaptic ? |
| 06:33.10 | da_bon_bon | vineet: but i've never used aptitude .. how will aptitude help ? |
| 06:33.13 | vineet | da_bon_bon: I've never used synaptic |
| 06:33.13 | Nurbs | da_bon_bon: uhm. do not use unstable (actually, not even testing) if you can't fix/work around such breakage. |
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| 06:33.39 | da_bon_bon | Nurbs: i can fix it. just wanted to know if you faced the same ? |
| 06:33.45 | vineet | da_bon_bon: aptitude lets you see in pretty good detail what's going on. What's being installed, removed, upgraded, and why. What depends on what, etc. |
| 06:34.25 | da_bon_bon | ok, vineet |
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| 06:34.54 | happy_broccoli | anyone cisco much ? |
| 06:34.58 | Nurbs | :) |
| 06:35.11 | Coke | happy_broccoli: yes |
| 06:35.19 | da_bon_bon | Nurbs: did you face the same problem ? are you using kde34 ? |
| 06:35.33 | happy_broccoli | Coke: may i msg? |
| 06:35.39 | Coke | happy_broccoli: no |
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| 06:35.56 | Nurbs | da_bon_bon: I don't use all of that and the kde 3.4.2 upgrade has been ages ago... *shrug* |
| 06:36.14 | happy_broccoli | Coke: why, whats your deal |
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| 06:36.16 | da_bon_bon | Nurbs: ok. |
| 06:36.28 | Coke | happy_broccoli: 1) I'm already in a public channel and 2) I don't know anything about cisci stuff |
| 06:36.38 | Nurbs | da_bon_bon: you should probably upgrade, not dist-upgrade first and then check why dist-upgrade wants to remove which packages (that is, if you're only working with apt-get) |
| 06:36.38 | happy_broccoli | Coke: whatever. wierdo |
| 06:37.13 | da_bon_bon | lol.. aptitude lets u play minesweeper |
| 06:37.22 | da_bon_bon | Nurbs: you use which frontend to apt, then ? |
| 06:38.02 | Gnea | hrm |
| 06:38.16 | Nurbs | da_bon_bon: bash in gnome-terminal, mostly |
| 06:38.22 | Nurbs | da_bon_bon: and debfoster |
| 06:38.44 | Gnea | Coke: why did you tell someone that you know how to use cisco, and then them you don't know anything about it? |
| 06:39.02 | da_bon_bon | Nurbs: ok. no gui tools. |
| 06:39.07 | Gnea | +told |
| 06:39.27 | Coke | Gnea: I didn't. |
| 06:39.46 | Gnea | Coke: 23:34 < happy_broccoli> anyone cisco much ? 23:35 < Coke> happy_broccoli: yes 23:36 < Coke> happy_broccoli: 1) I'm already in a public channel and 2) I don't know anything about cisci stuff |
| 06:39.51 | Gnea | Coke: liar. |
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| 06:40.05 | Coke | Gnea: No, I answered the question correctly. |
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| 06:40.17 | Gnea | Coke: you are wrong. |
| 06:40.32 | Nurbs | fun |
| 06:40.35 | Coke | Gnea: are you telling me nobody has cisco'ed much? |
| 06:40.36 | Gnea | very |
| 06:40.44 | pacman | stopt his bickering and get to work on Debian/kIOS. |
| 06:40.48 | amphi | Gnea: well... happy_broccoli> anyone cisco much ? Coke> happy_broccoli: yes |
| 06:41.06 | Gnea | probably the content wasn't understood |
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| 06:41.29 | Gnea | it was fairly obvious that he was looking for help with certain cisco equipment - routers, switches, etc |
| 06:41.37 | da_bon_bon | Nurbs: debfoster .. but it doesnt allow to install and upgrade packages. |
| 06:41.55 | Nurbs | da_bon_bon: but it's nice for removing packages :o) |
| 06:42.00 | da_bon_bon | yes. |
| 06:42.05 | da_bon_bon | i am running it now |
| 06:42.16 | da_bon_bon | Nurbs: then what do you use to install and upgrade packages ? |
| 06:42.39 | Nurbs | da_bon_bon: debfoster or apt-get and sometimes dpkg :o) |
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| 06:43.15 | da_bon_bon | Nurbs: dpkg * but that doesnt resolve dependencies . |
| 06:43.17 | da_bon_bon | anyway |
| 06:43.35 | Gnea | of course, #cisco would've been the better place to take it |
| 06:44.08 | da_bon_bon | lol! Keep linux-image-686? :) debfoster |
| 06:44.24 | jmd | What package provides /usr/libexec/rmt ?? |
| 06:44.26 | pacman | if you're trying to punish this guy, tell him to use dselect and get it over with |
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| 06:44.44 | pacman | since Debian doesn't believe in /usr/libexec, I'd guess none. |
| 06:44.51 | Nurbs | da_bon_bon: it's only some work the first time you go through it :) |
| 06:45.12 | jmd | pacman: Then why does the tar provided with debian depend upon it? |
| 06:45.21 | da_bon_bon | ok, Nurbs |
| 06:45.27 | pacman | huh? |
| 06:45.51 | Nurbs | jmd: how do you figure? |
| 06:45.53 | stew | jmd: what tar? |
| 06:46.02 | pacman | if you found any mention of /usr/libexec in Debian's tar package, it means the package maintainer forgot to squash one |
| 06:46.05 | jmd | /bin/tar |
| 06:46.21 | Nurbs | tar --version |
| 06:46.22 | pacman | where did you find it? in the man page? the --help? |
| 06:46.43 | jmd | strings /bin/tar | grep libexec |
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| 06:46.55 | pacman | by the way, on my system /usr/sbin/rmt is part of the tar package |
| 06:47.02 | da_bon_bon | how do i check which version of gcc is in sid ? |
| 06:47.04 | da_bon_bon | is it 4.0.2 ? |
| 06:47.17 | jmd | tar -cf remotemachine:/remotefile /tmp/foo |
| 06:47.19 | vineet | try apt-cache policy |
| 06:47.22 | Nurbs | jmd: no hits. |
| 06:47.26 | pacman | da_bon_bon, /msg dpkg info gcc sid |
| 06:47.28 | Nurbs | jmd: tar --version ? |
| 06:47.34 | jmd | 1.14 |
| 06:47.50 | pacman | I can confirm jmd's "strings" result. Looks like one slipped through. |
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| 06:47.57 | vineet | yeah, I see that too, on sarge |
| 06:48.00 | Nurbs | hmm |
| 06:48.07 | pacman | the conspiracy to prevent Debian users from learning about the existence of /usr/libexec has failed! NOOO! |
| 06:48.07 | Nurbs | probably fixed on unstable |
| 06:48.11 | Nurbs | 1.15 doesn't have it |
| 06:48.24 | jmd | Nurbs: Not on my unstable it isn't |
| 06:48.24 | vineet | is it in the changelog? |
| 06:48.26 | Nurbs | 1.15.1-2 to be exact |
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| 06:48.43 | jmd | What's libexec supposed to do anyway ?? |
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| 06:48.53 | darkness | Hi guys, i've just installed apache2 and would like to show a placeholder for thre time being at my domain.What config files do i need to change so that typing in my domain name shows the placeholder and not my router? |
| 06:49.44 | da_bon_bon | and how do i check whether 4.0.2 is in the works or no ? |
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| 06:50.14 | Nurbs | jmd: on your unstable strings brings up libexec? |
| 06:50.26 | pacman | jmd, libexec is for programs that are meant to be run by other programs and never run directly by the user. Putting them in a separate directory reduces $PATH clutter. This meaning of libexec is standard on BSD systems, and also support for it is included in GNU autoconf and is required by GNU coding standards. Unfortunately some crackheads wrote a thing called "FSSTND" and another one called "FHS" that says Linux users sh |
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| 06:50.54 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:50.59 | jmd | Nurbs: Yep |
| 06:51.05 | pacman | Debian listens to the FHS crackheads for some reason. |
| 06:51.13 | Nurbs | jmd: and what package version is that? |
| 06:51.16 | jmd | 1.14 |
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| 06:51.26 | Nurbs | jmd: then it's not unstable. |
| 06:51.32 | Nurbs | not a current one at least |
| 06:51.47 | Nurbs | besides, 1.14 is not a debian package version :) |
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| 06:52.22 | jmd | It's the latest one on my mirror |
| 06:52.46 | pacman | /usr/libexec/rmt is Bug#319635 by the way. |
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| 06:53.59 | ircdevil | i need to setup a citrix client. im i owned? |
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| 06:55.03 | sussudio_ | in soviet russia, docs find you |
| 06:55.35 | pacman | wow, I can issue a rant with the phrase "FHS crackheads" and nobody responds angrily. |
| 06:56.07 | pacman | that's how you know... when people are either asleep or /ignoring you. Based on other traffic, asleep probably. |
| 06:56.22 | egon_spengler | Or heavily sedated |
| 06:56.32 | caphuso | pacman: we don't generally approve of people stating the obvious ;-) |
| 06:56.33 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:56.35 | ircdevil | sussudio_: "i got citrix, what can you do about it doc?" |
| 06:56.37 | squareff | hey, i have a problem: my nxserver / nxclient are working just fine, but, from some computers, when i try to connect it says connection and authentication are ok, yet "x11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication". |
| 06:56.43 | Guerin | i didn't think it was remarkable |
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| 06:58.02 | caphuso | also, the FHS has lost interest, now that freedesktop has superseded LSB which has superseded the FHS in terms of being damn annoying |
| 06:58.02 | sussudio_ | ircdevil: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda |
| 06:58.10 | yodzdeaths | hi |
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| 06:58.24 | yodzdeaths | lols |
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| 06:58.46 | yodzdeaths | ew |
| 06:58.54 | mr_kreg | other than tcp 80, can you think of anything else that needs to be permitted in the output table for webserver? |
| 06:59.12 | caphuso | mr_kreg: 443 if you use https |
| 06:59.30 | Nurbs | pack, jmd: in 1.15.1-2 it works. |
| 06:59.36 | ThunderbirdSix | Anyone here who has installed PPC version of Debian? |
| 07:00.01 | Guerin | !ppc |
| 07:00.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 07:00.02 | mr_kreg | is it 80 that needs to be permited "out" from the host? i have 80 and 22 the only ports allowed in the input table |
| 07:00.11 | pacman | I bought my PPC with Debian pre-installed, so no. |
| 07:00.36 | bob2 | mr_kreg: how will the data get back to the clients? |
| 07:00.43 | bob2 | mr_kreg: the clients won't be using port 80 for their source port |
| 07:00.59 | mr_kreg | bob2 ESTABLISHED,RELATED i think resolves taht |
| 07:01.37 | ircdevil | solaris got a2ps .... i thought that was gpl |
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| 07:02.27 | ThunderbirdSix | dpkg: Been to that channel and nobody answered me. This is on an old iBook so probly not relevant that they won't be using the chipset in future models, nu? |
| 07:02.28 | dpkg | ThunderbirdSix: that's too long |
| 07:02.32 | mr_kreg | bob2 should i say something like anything out between 1024 and 65535? |
| 07:02.47 | jmd | Looks like redhat have had a similar problem with tar. |
| 07:02.51 | bob2 | ThunderbirdSix: dpkg is a robot... |
| 07:02.59 | squareff | please mention my nick whenever answering my question(s) |
| 07:03.02 | bob2 | ircdevil: solaris has lots of GPL stuff on an extra cd |
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| 07:03.18 | Guerin | mr_kreg: why not allow output? |
| 07:03.25 | Guerin | mr_kreg: all output, I mean |
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| 07:03.32 | ThunderbirdSix | LOL. Egg on newbie's face |
| 07:03.37 | mr_kreg | Guerin i dunno. mostly playing. jsut wondering what would be minimal for the output table |
| 07:03.38 | ThunderbirdSix | Where now? |
| 07:03.39 | Nurbs | jmd: you know how to fix it, though, don't you? :) |
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| 07:04.02 | Guerin | mr_kreg: my output table has -j ACCEPT and a\n accounting rule so I know how much goes out |
| 07:04.21 | bob2 | mr_kreg: you'd need related/estabslihed, or to leave everything open |
| 07:04.24 | Guerin | mr_kreg: unless you have a good reason to limit outbound, I suggest you don't |
| 07:04.51 | ircdevil | bob2: hmmm the extra "free" cd because of gpl i guess? |
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| 07:05.04 | pacman | I haven't seen Thunderbird ask his question yet |
| 07:05.15 | jmd | Nurbs, I've managed to kludge it. I wouldn't say fixed. It seems that there's an undocumented --rmt-command opt to tar. |
| 07:05.27 | pacman | and I've been on #debianppc |
| 07:06.08 | pacman | jmd, it's documented in info, unfortunately (that's a whole different set of crackheads) |
| 07:06.20 | caphuso | jmd: not undocumented. just not in the man page |
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| 07:06.51 | jmd | Maybe its only documented in 1.15 |
| 07:07.03 | maher | jmd: try pinfo if info makes you cry |
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| 07:08.02 | pacman | zcat /usr/share/info/${PROG}.info* | less # it's the only way to go |
| 07:08.08 | mr_kreg | bob2 you put a established,related rule in the output table too? |
| 07:08.18 | Nurbs | jmd: the current 1.15 deb has got it fixed anyway ;) |
| 07:08.20 | caphuso | pacman: stupid |
| 07:08.23 | jmd | maher: I'm fine with info. If only the *info* is there. Unfortunately it isn't on my machine. |
| 07:08.39 | Guerin | pacman: zless |
| 07:08.40 | caphuso | pacman: "info whatever | less" is a much better solution |
| 07:08.41 | jmd | Nurbs, When was that uploaded? It's not visible on my mirror. |
| 07:08.52 | Nurbs | jmd: don't know |
| 07:08.54 | pacman | Guerin, then you have to :n, :p through them |
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| 07:09.10 | Guerin | pacman: awww |
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| 07:09.38 | pacman | of course the glob doesn't sort the numbers properly either, you get 1 10 11 12 ... 19 2 20 ..., but I don't mind that |
| 07:09.49 | caphuso | again, pipe info output to less |
| 07:10.23 | maher | s/less/ls/ |
| 07:10.33 | pacman | yeah, I hear you. Sometimes I do things a certain way just to protest the other way. |
| 07:10.49 | jmd | What's the command to find files which don't belong to any package ?? |
| 07:10.57 | caphuso | jmd: cruft? |
| 07:11.02 | pacman | find /usr/local -print # :-) |
| 07:11.03 | maher | i mean 2 < 10 |
| 07:11.24 | maher | Guerin: but i don' wanna be shot! |
| 07:11.35 | Guerin | maher: then start prefixin' pal |
| 07:11.57 | maher | Guerin: write a ls flag for months while you're at it... |
| 07:12.05 | Guerin | maher: hah |
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| 07:12.16 | pacman | I wanna shoot the people who designed "sort -n" ... it never does what I want it to do |
| 07:12.17 | Guerin | speakign of months |
| 07:12.39 | Guerin | shooting everyone who believes mm/dd/yyyy is a sane date format would be a good start |
| 07:13.14 | sep | everyone should use unixtime. ! |
| 07:13.24 | maher | Guerin: that's so weird - who ever thought that was a good idea? |
| 07:13.36 | Guerin | yyy/mm/dd is the One True Date Format |
| 07:13.40 | Guerin | yyyy, naturally |
| 07:13.46 | Nurbs | date --iso-8601 |
| 07:13.54 | sep | maher, i dont know, but he's probably laufhing himself shitless now |
| 07:14.04 | maher | Guerin: i note that on all the us custom forms they use dd/mm/yy - how many usaians actually get it right on the form? |
| 07:14.18 | Guerin | maher: haha |
| 07:14.44 | jm_ | yyyy/mm/dd is only useful for sorting, we Europeans are happy with dd mm yyyy |
| 07:14.58 | maher | sep: maybe the same person who invented letter and legal size paper... |
| 07:15.01 | Guerin | jm_: but it's not any less useful for anything else |
| 07:15.17 | maher | sep: or who decided us pints are a different size to everyone elses pints... |
| 07:15.22 | seeeS | i prefer y-m-d, but ill go with the euro style in any case. the US format makes o sese |
| 07:15.29 | jm_ | Guerin: depends, I'm used to the euro format so it's easier to parse for me |
| 07:15.42 | seeeS | ok, a bad n key |
| 07:15.45 | Guerin | and with dd/mm/yyyy you're never sure whether they really mean mm/dd/yyyy |
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| 07:16.03 | caphuso | jm_: "we europeans except caphuso" ;-) |
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| 07:16.32 | Nurbs | caphuso: info | less is beautiful |
| 07:16.36 | jm_ | caphuso: you prefer the yyyy.mm.dd format? I don't mind it, the other one is just what I'm used to |
| 07:16.48 | sep | unixtime ! no confusion |
| 07:16.53 | jmd | maher, That's because all americans are half pints :-) |
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| 07:17.01 | caphuso | Nurbs: nah, beautiful would mean you get to use the texinfo advantages |
| 07:17.14 | caphuso | jm_: yeah |
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| 07:18.12 | darkness | I've installed Apache2.Any help on how to point metawire.net to Apache placeholder and not my router? |
| 07:18.14 | Nurbs | oh well, there's always http://localhost/dwww/ |
| 07:18.39 | caphuso | that's slightly better, but slow as hell |
| 07:19.14 | Guerin | darkness: forward the port from your router to your apache box |
| 07:19.21 | Nurbs | caphuso: on what machine? :) |
| 07:19.27 | Guerin | darkness: for instructions, consult your router's documentation |
| 07:19.33 | ricky_clarkson | I prefer the days-until-christmas date format. |
| 07:19.51 | caphuso | Nurbs: because of the UI |
| 07:19.54 | liable | haha |
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| 07:20.11 | Nurbs | caphuso: *cough* lynx? ;) |
| 07:20.13 | ricky_clarkson | It's 2005 and there are 79 days until Christmas. |
| 07:20.17 | pacman | /exec -o ddate |
| 07:20.18 | pacman | oops! |
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| 07:20.23 | caphuso | Nurbs: doesn't matter what browser you use |
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| 07:21.11 | torc | why does not my powerbook titanium with snapperd play audio cds, while 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' is working fine? |
| 07:21.58 | ircdevil | anyone with experience in citrix ? :o) -> #citrix |
| 07:22.08 | pacman | it's protesting your choice of music. N'Sync? ReEEeally!! |
| 07:22.17 | Guerin | torc: make sure your audio cd channel is unmuted |
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| 07:22.26 | dna_ | what is the best way to program flashwebsites in linux? |
| 07:22.44 | Guerin | dna_: to not program them at all. |
| 07:22.58 | Guerin | that goes for windows and macos as well |
| 07:23.12 | Nurbs | flash web sites are like war games? |
| 07:23.16 | torc | Guerin: alsamixer does not show any cd channels. but i agree it may be muted :/ |
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| 07:23.18 | sep | dna_, most filter out flash content anyway so why bother |
| 07:23.26 | pacman | the only way to win is not to play. |
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| 07:23.29 | Guerin | torc: hit f5 to show all channels |
| 07:23.31 | Noo_ | hello |
| 07:23.40 | Guerin | Nurbs: pacman: heh, right. |
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| 07:24.48 | torc | Guerin: hmm. i have master,bass,treble,pcm,pcm1,beep,drc and monitor only :/ |
| 07:25.06 | Guerin | torc: look for input. try f234 |
| 07:25.15 | dna_ | I want to have a website with neat graphics flying around |
| 07:25.22 | pacman | torc, you know it scrolls left to right... |
| 07:25.24 | Guerin | torc: or use a player which can extract and playcd audio digitally |
| 07:25.39 | Guerin | !pacman++ |
| 07:25.51 | Guerin | man |
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| 07:25.58 | Guerin | sometimes it's the simplest shit |
| 07:26.09 | sep | dna_, look out the windows... better grafhics and saves you a lot of time. and anooyes your site visitors less... |
| 07:26.28 | nkuttler | dna_: you don't need flash for that... (not that it's a good idea anyway) |
| 07:26.36 | darkness | Guerin: i've fort forwarded tcp80 to 192.168.0.2 on the router but still no dice.Do i need to edit any files? |
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| 07:26.57 | Guerin | darkness: what does 'no dice' mean? |
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| 07:27.14 | darkness | Guerin: Still not working.No good. |
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| 07:27.33 | Guerin | darkness: What behavior does it exhibit which is not good? |
| 07:27.37 | Guerin | BE SPECIFIC |
| 07:27.40 | dna_ | sep: what saves me time and gives me better graphics? |
| 07:27.40 | maher | darkness: are you recieving packets? check with ippl or netcat |
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| 07:27.52 | Guerin | dna_: looking out the window |
| 07:27.54 | ricky_clarkson | darkness: doubleplusvague |
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| 07:28.09 | dna_ | how do I record what I see visually into the computer? |
| 07:28.11 | dna_ | mhahahaha |
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| 07:28.22 | torc | pacman, Guerin: it does not show anything on F4 - capture controls. |
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| 07:28.32 | ricky_clarkson | dna_: Use an optic nerve interface. |
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| 07:28.52 | dna_ | ricky_clarkson, where can I get one? |
| 07:28.53 | Guerin | torc: use a player which can play cda back digitally |
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| 07:29.00 | Guerin | torc: xmms is such a player |
| 07:29.01 | darkness | Guerin: If i type www.metawire.net i get my router login.I've set inward port 80 on the router to 192.168.0.2 which in init is where apache2 placeholder is. |
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| 07:29.08 | torc | Guerin: ok. i will give it a try. thanks :) |
| 07:29.22 | Guerin | darkness: run your router control on a different pory? |
| 07:29.30 | maher | darkness: which side of the router are sending packets from? |
| 07:29.37 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:29.47 | Guerin | i wish *I* could get your router login |
| 07:30.02 | pacman | alsamixer has crazy keybindings. |
| 07:30.11 | Guerin | q doesn't quit |
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| 07:30.14 | Guerin | rrrrr |
| 07:30.15 | Eclipser | indeed |
| 07:30.16 | Guerin | irksome |
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| 07:30.21 | Eclipser | I always press q in alsamixer |
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| 07:30.27 | Guerin | yeah, me too |
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| 07:30.35 | pacman | exactly |
| 07:30.40 | Guerin | but I don't know the opposite key, to equalise the channels again |
| 07:30.41 | ricky_clarkson | Escape doesn't quit immediately either. |
| 07:30.46 | ricky_clarkson | So I start hammering it. |
| 07:30.51 | Guerin | ricky_clarkson: no, it writes state |
| 07:30.52 | Nurbs | hehe |
| 07:30.55 | Nurbs | I know that |
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| 07:31.14 | ricky_clarkson | Respond, you bastarder. |
| 07:31.18 | pacman | well, besides that it uses a timeout to distinguish between ESC alon and ESC as the beginning of an escape sequence like ^[[A |
| 07:31.26 | ricky_clarkson | It should say "Writing state...". |
| 07:31.31 | pacman | and the timeout is too long. |
| 07:31.36 | ricky_clarkson | No response is CACK. |
| 07:31.52 | Guerin | agreed on all counts |
| 07:32.14 | dna_ | seriously I need access to a camera that can hook up to my optic nerve |
| 07:32.19 | ricky_clarkson | Guerin: I've got a bee in my bonnet about usability, and it stings. http://rickyclarkson.blogspot.com - nothing to do with Debian though. |
| 07:32.22 | dna_ | that would be quite an invention |
| 07:32.23 | dna_ | LoL |
| 07:32.29 | dna_ | Sony's playstation 6 |
| 07:32.29 | darkness | Guerin: Looking at my router logs i show a tcp packet hitting the router a farwarded to 192.168.0.2,80? |
| 07:32.55 | Guerin | darkness: get back to me when you have a client-side error message |
| 07:33.06 | Guerin | you have about 8 minutes until I leave for work |
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| 07:33.38 | Cueball|Work | How can I extract a certain file from a tar archive on the command line? |
| 07:33.48 | ricky_clarkson | Guerin: Wow, are you in a sane timezone now? |
| 07:33.56 | caphuso | Cueball|Work: tar xf foo.tar /specific/file |
| 07:33.57 | pacman | tar xf file.tar 'your/file/here' # the full thing as it appears in the tar file, or use *file* |
| 07:34.02 | Guerin | ricky_clarkson: hell no. I just work stupid hours,. |
| 07:34.08 | ricky_clarkson | Haha. |
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| 07:34.14 | Cueball|Work | Thanx caphuso and pacman |
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| 07:34.28 | torc | Guerin: yeah, that did the trick, thanks! :) |
| 07:34.29 | Guerin | not that stupid, though |
| 07:34.34 | Guerin | torc: winnah! |
| 07:34.48 | torc | Guerin: what could be the problem with the traditional player? :) |
| 07:35.06 | Eclipser | !win Guerin |
| 07:35.07 | Guerin | torc: probably no analogue connection between the cd and sound card |
| 07:35.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 07:35.46 | Guerin | heh |
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| 07:35.54 | Guerin | the only good thing about that is diplomatic immunity |
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| 07:35.59 | Eclipser | :) |
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| 07:36.39 | octoberdan | Is there a B compiler for Debian? |
| 07:36.50 | octoberdan | Couldn't get anywhere with dselect... |
| 07:36.56 | pacman | that's the most interesting question of the day. |
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| 07:37.14 | octoberdan | :-D |
| 07:37.14 | pacman | I'm interested in both the answer and in why the hell you would ask. |
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| 07:37.22 | seeeS | yes, im not sure if B ever got to a compiler stage. |
| 07:38.23 | pacman | actually now that I think about it that feels like a project that needs to be taken on... a B frontend for GCC. |
| 07:38.46 | ricky_clarkson | GCB - codename Digger. |
| 07:38.46 | octoberdan | The story involves alcholl and a bet... but without getting into the messy details, I need to learn B |
| 07:38.53 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 07:38.55 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 07:39.04 | ricky_clarkson | octoberdan: That deserves to be in the qotds. |
| 07:39.05 | octoberdan | Awesome |
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| 07:39.58 | davis | hello |
| 07:40.07 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:40.12 | caphuso | hrm, i suppose you could use one of the pdp/11 emulators to get access to a B compiler |
| 07:40.34 | pacman | it'd be cool to write a program in a language with no types, and then compile it with -Wall |
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| 07:40.36 | bob2 | wikipedia doesn't know of any compilers |
| 07:40.37 | caphuso | assuming you can track down 30 year old software |
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| 07:41.00 | davis | believe it or not, I actuall wrote assembly code for an old PDP/1170 mini-computer when I was in college. |
| 07:41.05 | octoberdan | yeah... that's going to be tough... *gulp* ... but I'm a man of my drunken banter |
| 07:41.10 | davis | it was in octal. |
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| 07:41.21 | caphuso | bob2: some of the really old pdp tapes circling around on the internet might contain one |
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| 07:41.47 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:41.55 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd |
| 07:41.55 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 07:42.03 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd150 |
| 07:42.03 | dpkg | <octoberdan> The story involves alcholl and a bet... but without getting into the messy details, I need to learn B |
| 07:42.04 | caphuso | hehe |
| 07:42.08 | ricky_clarkson | That's more like it. |
| 07:42.11 | bob2 | also, your question means I now know why the name field in /etc/passwd is called GECOS |
| 07:42.30 | pacman | heh, you didn't know about GECOS? |
| 07:42.32 | octoberdan | haha! |
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| 07:43.12 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_the_road#Left_or_right is entertaining. |
| 07:43.21 | davis | since #mutt seems to be sleeping, maybe I can get some help here. I would like to have multiple folders in mutt mailer. One for local mail and via imap to a remote server for internet mail. Is that possible? It appears you can only setup one account at a time. |
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| 07:43.39 | bob2 | davis: 'tis simple |
| 07:43.56 | caphuso | davis: there's another way? |
| 07:43.58 | bob2 | davis: mutt -f /var/mail/whatever, mutt -f imaps://user@host/mailbox |
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| 07:44.20 | octoberdan | too bad there isn't a ##B |
| 07:44.27 | Zenox | how do i install debian on a compaq proliant 1600? thinking mostly about the compaq smart array scsi-controller. do anyone have some pointers about it? |
| 07:44.41 | pacman | octoberdan: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/bintro.html |
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| 07:45.01 | bob2 | Zenox: it's not supported out of the box? |
| 07:45.10 | octoberdan | Yes! |
| 07:45.17 | octoberdan | Pacman: Thank you |
| 07:45.34 | pacman | Zenox, I don't know compaq model numbers but they do provide good Linux support for their raid controllers. it'll be a cciss (newer model) or cpqarray (older model) |
| 07:45.48 | davis | bob2: is there a way, you can shortcut it? like say mutt -f localmail and mutt -f netmail ? |
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| 07:46.32 | Zenox | bob2: maybe, but how do i know? just checking the hardware compatibility list and those hardware listed there is included in the debian sarge install? |
| 07:46.38 | davis | caphuso: got me bro. I'm still learning the ways of mutt. |
| 07:46.39 | bob2 | davis: shell script? dunno. |
| 07:46.58 | davis | bob2: ok. i'll try that bit. thanks. |
| 07:47.02 | bob2 | davis: you can set the default in muttrc, and the list of folders |
| 07:47.20 | bob2 | Zenox: if you have the hardware, I'd just burn a sarge cd and try it |
| 07:47.44 | pacman | Zenox, I've done a Debian install on a cpqarray device, it presented no special difficulties. Initializing the array, however, is a separate step that the Debian installer can't do, so you have to do that first. |
| 07:47.56 | Zenox | pacman: ah.. it's an pretty old compaq server, i think cpqarray is the module to load.. but do the debian install sense the array and load the module automatically when installing or is there some kind of manual intervention that i need to do? |
| 07:48.20 | seeeS | some arrays are invisible, they just look like scsi devices |
| 07:48.27 | pacman | initializing the array (in which you tell the raid controller whether to use RAID0, 1, 5, or whatever, and how many distinct arrays to chop the disks into) can only be done by a compaq proprietary program |
| 07:48.31 | seeeS | some arrays just will not work when raid is turned on |
| 07:48.36 | bob2 | ricky_clarkson: hah |
| 07:48.47 | Zenox | pacman: ah yes i know.. i've done the init already with the smart start 5.5 cd |
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| 07:49.22 | pacman | Zenox, if you've done that then the Debian installer will figure things out for you pretty much. The disk names will not be /dev/sd* because cpqarray doesn't use the standard Linux scsi mid-layer. They are /dev/ida/* |
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| 07:50.00 | frevidar | how do I use diff to compare two directories and all files in their subdirectories? |
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| 07:50.12 | pacman | /dev/ida/c0d0p1 is controller 0, "disk" 0, partition 1 for example |
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| 07:50.22 | caphuso | frevidar: man diff, search for "recursive" |
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| 07:50.31 | bob2 | frevidar: hint: -ur |
| 07:50.50 | Zenox | pacman: seems straightforward enough to install very easily, great. good info there on what they are called.. think i'll handle the install from here... thanks alot |
| 07:51.16 | frevidar | bob2: thanks. I stupidly missed that. |
| 07:51.20 | seeeS | zenox: it will either be a breeze or a nightmare, there is usually no in-between with those things |
| 07:51.34 | pacman | Zenox, there might be a couple of bumps but none big enough to be memorable a year or two later :) I had the most trouble finding a copy of that stupid compaq array-configuration-utility, and getting it to run without a copy of RedHat 6 |
| 07:52.02 | davis | bob2: I did an alias for muttnet and muttlocal as you showed me. But, I am wondering about the other settings I need to specify for mutt on the remote server. I use a shell acoount there and the .muttrc file is much different than mine on my local box. Specifically I have to change the my_hdr field so I can send/receive mail ok. Can I get that change in there somehow? |
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| 07:52.05 | pacman | I never did get it to run in the full graphical/web-server mode, I had to download the PDF manual and learn to use the command line |
| 07:52.33 | bob2 | davis: mutt always sends from your local machine |
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| 07:52.46 | bob2 | well, maybe it has SMTP built in now, I dunno |
| 07:52.49 | frevidar | can I get diff to ignore files which aren't in both the source and destination directories? |
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| 07:53.11 | caphuso | bob2: only mutt-ng has |
| 07:53.15 | bob2 | davis: -F lets you specify a different config file for each case, tho |
| 07:53.17 | bob2 | caphuso: bleh |
| 07:53.19 | Zenox | pacman: ah okay, i just booted it from the cd and it showed the graphical gui.. or do you mean after booting linux? |
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| 07:53.42 | pacman | Zenox, I mean the cpqarray configurator. YOu know, the part you said you'd already DONE?! |
| 07:53.44 | octoberdan | If anyone needs me I'll be in ##b ;) |
| 07:53.50 | davis | bob2: ahh, so i could use a -f and a -F option then. cool. thanks. |
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| 07:55.10 | Zenox | pacman: yes, it was just to boot the cd and the gui showed hmm |
| 07:55.32 | pacman | Zenox, I had a CD that was for the wrong version of the controller... it was a nightmare :) |
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| 07:56.29 | Zenox | pacman: ah okay, no doubt! pretty impressive it was doable anyways :) |
| 07:57.21 | pacman | I had to download all the pieces that were supposed to be on the CD (the ACU, the matching libstdc++ from an obsolete RedHat distribution, and the PDF manual, all hard to find.) |
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| 07:57.45 | sadleder | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.25 | Zenox | pacman: woha! no wonder you know your compaq setup then :) |
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| 08:00.41 | Gnea | the bug-buddy gnome bug-reporting tool has a bug that prevents its installation in Debian Sid |
| 08:00.45 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 08:00.51 | davis | dodgyville: hi |
| 08:01.33 | dodgyville | I think my ethernet card is broken. Is there anyway to test a card to see if it actually works? |
| 08:01.46 | davis | ping? |
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| 08:02.13 | davis | lspci will at least show if its responding to pci bus. |
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| 08:02.28 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: Oh, the irony. |
| 08:02.31 | pacman | ethernet loopback plug? |
| 08:02.46 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.53 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: exactly :) |
| 08:03.02 | CrypTom | hi all |
| 08:03.04 | seeeS | tethereal/tcpdump and a windows machine tests the receive pretty quickly |
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| 08:03.19 | CrypTom | i ve unstable and experimental in my sources.list |
| 08:03.28 | pacman | mii-tool tells you if it knows when there's a cable inserted |
| 08:03.32 | CrypTom | how can i easily find packages installed from experimental? |
| 08:03.46 | octoberdan | I wonder if I could get my hands on an old pdp11... |
| 08:03.51 | Gnea | dodgyville: plug it in, see if it has a mac address, give it an ip and ping. tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
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| 08:04.26 | dodgyville | Gnea: A mac address? |
| 08:04.39 | Gnea | dodgyville: indeed, are you familiar with the ifconfig command? |
| 08:04.43 | ricky_clarkson | dodgyville: A 48 bit hardware identifier. |
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| 08:05.43 | dodgyville | Gnea: I've got a HWaddr, how do I give it an IP? |
| 08:06.04 | ricky_clarkson | dodgyville: man ifconfig or man 5 interfaces |
| 08:06.08 | Gnea | !tell dodgyville about interfaces |
| 08:06.37 | octoberdan | Ah! To buy Ersatz-11 (a pdp-11 emulator) for linux it'll cost me $3,999! |
| 08:06.42 | octoberdan | That's a crime... |
| 08:06.46 | davis | dodgyville: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:06.54 | davis | octoberdan: whoa! |
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| 08:07.18 | davis | least it does not cost $4k. lol |
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| 08:07.38 | lestest | hi there ... anybody can suggest me a good lite dns cache? |
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| 08:07.46 | bob2 | bind9 |
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| 08:07.50 | ricky_clarkson | It's ok, if the dollar keeps falling I'll be able to afford that without noticing. ;) |
| 08:07.58 | octoberdan | davis: Still have the one from college? |
| 08:07.59 | Gnea | octoberdan: patents aren't always a crime... |
| 08:08.04 | bob2 | simh - Emulators for 32 different computers |
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| 08:08.23 | orjan | Is there any tool that lets me download a webpage both text and pics to save to disk? |
| 08:08.31 | bob2 | wget does |
| 08:08.33 | Gnea | orjan: wget |
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| 08:08.47 | ricky_clarkson | And flashget apparently. |
| 08:08.50 | dodgyville | Thanks. A good address to use as test? |
| 08:08.56 | Gnea | probably curl too |
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| 08:09.08 | orjan | bob2: Gnea ok thanks, eeh is it obvious from manpage or nay hints? |
| 08:09.12 | davis | heh. the $ had its biggest one day loss yesterday, but it will pick up. I fear if it gets worse the whole global economy will tank. |
| 08:09.13 | tarzeau | debian post/pre scripts are so PITA |
| 08:09.22 | Gnea | orjan: wget --help |
| 08:09.25 | tarzeau | STILL after so many years |
| 08:09.28 | ricky_clarkson | orjan: Read the man page first. |
| 08:09.30 | octoberdan | Gnea: Didn't say they were.. |
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| 08:09.38 | davis | octoberdan: no. i used it in a lab for doing motor control classes. long time ago. |
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| 08:09.40 | nkuttler | lestest: hm, light? i use bind for that. |
| 08:09.46 | ricky_clarkson | orjan: Obvious is subjective. Obviously. |
| 08:09.58 | davis | octoberdan: have you checked ebay? |
| 08:09.59 | Gnea | octoberdan: it depends on their use |
| 08:10.01 | bob2 | orjan: --mirror or so |
| 08:10.07 | octoberdan | davis: yeah |
| 08:10.11 | sadleder | hi, anyone else problems with sftp (sitecopy) in Debian unstable? |
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| 08:10.30 | Gnea | sadleder: i have problems with Debian unstable. |
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| 08:10.53 | tarzeau | sadleder: error msg? |
| 08:11.06 | tarzeau | sadleder: use rsync -e ssh instead? |
| 08:11.22 | ricky_clarkson | I know putty's psftp randomly stops responding. |
| 08:11.22 | tarzeau | i have problems too. can you help me? |
| 08:11.35 | octoberdan | simh is worth checking out... and apt-getable |
| 08:11.50 | octoberdan | for pdp emulation... |
| 08:11.51 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: bandwidth? |
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| 08:12.04 | tarzeau | can i get dpkg more verobse about this " |
| 08:12.10 | tarzeau | rm: cannot get current directory: Permission denied" |
| 08:12.11 | orjan | bob2 thanks |
| 08:12.21 | sadleder | tarzeau: well, sitecopy is just idling after forking sftp. |
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| 08:12.30 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:12.43 | bob2 | tarzeau: does your current directory exist? |
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| 08:12.49 | Gnea | tarzeau: teh broke |
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| 08:13.05 | sadleder | ricky_clarkson: i mean openssh-client |
| 08:13.17 | Gnea | tarzeau: what package? |
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| 08:13.41 | tarzeau | Gnea: my own .. |
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| 08:13.48 | Gnea | tarzeau: oh. |
| 08:13.50 | tarzeau | bob2: which? |
| 08:13.53 | dodgyville | thanks |
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| 08:13.56 | tpr | why would fdisk say a HD partition is linux swap / solaris (type82) when in fact it's of type ext3 in reality? and mount as that it works just fine |
| 08:13.58 | bob2 | tarzeau: pwd |
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| 08:14.43 | tarzeau | bob2: yes of course |
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| 08:15.15 | bob2 | sounds like a broken postinst |
| 08:15.17 | tarzeau | tpr: partition table broken? check gpart? |
| 08:15.18 | bob2 | or whatever it is |
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| 08:15.31 | tpr | tarzeau: never heard of gpart but okey i shall look into it :> |
| 08:15.40 | bob2 | tpr: fdisk is looking at the type in the partition table |
| 08:15.42 | tarzeau | bob2: can't i make it more verbose? |
| 08:15.46 | bob2 | tpr: which doesn't matter at all |
| 08:16.05 | sadleder | Gnea: what problems do you have |
| 08:16.11 | bob2 | tarzeau: 'echo $PWD' on the line before? |
| 08:16.19 | tpr | bob2: okey I see |
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| 08:16.51 | tarzeau | bob2: i've used #! /bin/sh -x .. it suddenly worked |
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| 08:17.13 | tarzeau | bob2: oh wait, root user in nfs user directory |
| 08:17.21 | tarzeau | bob2: dpkg wants to write/read/access the pwd? |
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| 08:18.15 | bob2 | hm, that is odd |
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| 08:21.52 | usn_work | hi folx |
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| 08:24.01 | chx | I badly need a GUI HTML editor for rapid prototyping a concept. Any ideas? |
| 08:24.24 | tarzeau | chx: why must it be ONE software? |
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| 08:24.38 | tarzeau | chx: why not use a browser, and editor and plenty of reloads? |
| 08:24.48 | chx | tarzeau: I am happy with that |
| 08:24.57 | tarzeau | firefox sucks |
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| 08:25.02 | Knight_Lord | Is there an easy way to check which files are being written by NFS? |
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| 08:25.11 | chx | tarzeau: but it would last an eternity to type this source |
| 08:25.23 | Knight_Lord | I have an NFS client that is quickly filing my server but i don't know how to quickly point out who it is |
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| 08:27.24 | seeeS | hmm, i wonder if fuser would see them |
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| 08:29.57 | Gnea | sadleder: do you have anything gnome-related installed? |
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| 08:32.07 | MrGreen | Anyone got five minutes to help with a 64 bit install ? |
| 08:33.41 | bob2 | best to just ask |
| 08:33.53 | MrGreen | ok lol |
| 08:33.57 | sadleder | Gnea: yes, sure ;-) |
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| 08:40.04 | liable | what can i use in a test for a bash script for a network device? |
| 08:40.06 | concept10 | I am attempting to install a blog on ruby on rails. I just get text of the ruby code instead. Where should I start troubleshooting? |
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| 08:41.30 | bob2 | liable: ifconfig | grep $interfacename |
| 08:42.58 | liable | bob2: yep, thats what i had. (from one i found on the net) |
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| 08:46.20 | octoberdan | anyone have pdp11 emulator/simulator suggustions? |
| 08:46.39 | caphuso | simh is in debian |
| 08:47.02 | concept10 | May I run two web servers at once? i.e. apache2 and lighttpd |
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| 08:47.16 | caphuso | concept10: as long as they're not on the same port |
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| 08:47.53 | concept10 | caphuso, do you have any experience with lighttpd? |
| 08:47.59 | caphuso | concept10: nope |
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| 08:50.28 | peej | is there a tkbuilder package in debian? |
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| 08:52.16 | stjepan | hello. What Debian-derived distro do you recommend for a programmer and advanced user? |
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| 08:52.21 | bob2 | debian |
| 08:52.39 | stjepan | bob2: :D |
| 08:52.52 | stjepan | bob2: why? debian is released every few years :( |
| 08:53.36 | stjepan | I want debian-derived, for |
| 08:53.41 | stjepan | desktop, programming |
| 08:53.44 | sep | stjepan, exactly insead of messing with the latest upgrades and whatsnot you can actualy program or use your computer |
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| 08:54.17 | stjepan | sep: Debian is released every few years --> you say that this is good? |
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| 08:54.42 | bob2 | stjepan: er? |
| 08:54.43 | bob2 | use sid |
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| 08:55.33 | liable | yeah, help the dd's.. debug.. |
| 08:55.34 | stjepan | bob2: sorry, I do not understand what are you trying to say |
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| 08:55.47 | doleyb | if you are an advanced programmer, you can use any distro at all and hardly care |
| 08:56.01 | petemc | program up yer own |
| 08:56.15 | stjepan | doleyb: is good that debian is released every few years? |
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| 08:56.44 | doleyb | faster would be nicer, but for a programmer it barely matters. |
| 08:57.01 | stjepan | soo? what do you recommend? |
| 08:57.10 | bob2 | stjepan: I'm suggesting that I'm a programmer, and I have run Debian sid for 5 years |
| 08:57.22 | sep | stjepan, yes it's perfect for my needs |
| 08:57.30 | stjepan | Ubuntu is released every six month, debian every few years. What do you think, what is better? |
| 08:57.41 | gpm | stjepan: if you think ubuntu is better, try it. |
| 08:57.48 | sep | !better |
| 08:57.49 | dpkg | hmm... better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 08:57.50 | stjepan | gpm: I tried ubuntu |
| 08:58.00 | gpm | stjepan: if you didn't like it, try debian |
| 08:58.08 | gpm | stjepan: if you don't like either, try something else. |
| 08:58.14 | stjepan | well, I want to have fresh and up-to-date system |
| 08:58.14 | gpm | stjepan: we can't guess what you're looking for. |
| 08:58.20 | gpm | stjepan: then USE SID |
| 08:58.20 | bob2 | stjepan: so use sid |
| 08:58.25 | bob2 | stjepan: holy bajoly |
| 08:58.28 | frevidar | stjepan: microsoft releases service packs every sixs months. So it must be ultra good. |
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| 08:58.36 | gpm | lol |
| 08:58.37 | stjepan | what is sid? |
| 08:58.38 | liable | heh |
| 08:58.40 | gpm | !sid |
| 08:58.40 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 08:58.44 | bob2 | stjepan: debian unstable |
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| 08:59.13 | stjepan | bob2: but using unstable packages is not good, is it? |
| 08:59.20 | liable | ... |
| 08:59.21 | clavner | where can I find the text messages the kernel gives during the startup procedure |
| 08:59.25 | stjepan | IMO it is dangerous |
| 08:59.32 | caphuso | clavner: /var/log/dmesg |
| 08:59.41 | bob2 | stjepan: if you say so |
| 08:59.46 | vorsprung | stjepan, yes...and your point is....? |
| 08:59.48 | liable | clavner: or /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 08:59.56 | brullo | clavner, /var/log |
| 08:59.58 | nkuttler | stjepan: you said you are an advanced user |
| 08:59.59 | bob2 | stjepan: also, this depends on what sort of progreammer you are |
| 08:59.59 | frevidar | stjepan: unstable debian packages are more dangerous than stable debian packages, yes. |
| 09:00.17 | liable | define dangerous. |
| 09:00.20 | vorsprung | "fresh and up-to-date" is necessarily unstable |
| 09:00.33 | stjepan | I am C++, C#, PHP, Python programmer |
| 09:00.45 | octoberdan | eww, c# |
| 09:00.45 | frevidar | stjepan: but they may or may not be more dangerous than "distro that releases every few months" packages. |
| 09:00.51 | bob2 | then debian stable or unstable would be good for you |
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| 09:01.11 | bob2 | it doesn't *really* matter |
| 09:01.20 | stjepan | well "unstable packages" are unstable, so it is dangerous :( |
| 09:01.23 | bob2 | no |
| 09:01.29 | bob2 | that's not why it's called unstable |
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| 09:01.36 | frevidar | but bob2, I need that latest cutting edge version of ls! |
| 09:01.39 | stjepan | bob2: what doesn't really matter? |
| 09:01.42 | bob2 | it's unstable in the sense that it's updated daily |
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| 09:01.50 | bob2 | ie the package versions change daily |
| 09:01.56 | frevidar | if 'ls' gets more than 3 months old, I'll be lost! |
| 09:01.59 | brullo | IMO "Debian unstable" equals not "windows unstable" |
| 09:02.02 | bob2 | stjepan: it deson't matter what you use, use whatever you like |
| 09:02.08 | stjepan | ahaa |
| 09:02.10 | stjepan | I understand |
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| 09:02.15 | bob2 | stjepan: it's not called unstable because it's crashy |
| 09:02.24 | stjepan | do you use unstable packages? |
| 09:02.28 | nkuttler | stjepan: however, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 09:02.32 | bob2 | debian sid is good fun and pretty stable, tho |
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| 09:02.41 | vorsprung | stjepan, right so therefore "released every six months" is less stable than "release once every 2 years if you are lucky" |
| 09:02.44 | bob2 | stjepan: probably all the regulars in here run unstable and have for years |
| 09:02.59 | xwolf | indeed |
| 09:03.01 | brullo | stjepan, I use it, and a friend of mine uses unstable as a samba fileserver for 900 users |
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| 09:03.18 | stjepan | brullo: do you have any problems with unstable packages? |
| 09:03.31 | pacman | but does he run apt-get upgrade from a cron job and then go on a 2 week vacation? |
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| 09:03.55 | brullo | stjepan, there is always problems, but I dont know if that is because they are unstable |
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| 09:04.20 | vorsprung | pacman, heh he might do "while you were away the server crashed. we can't manage without you! I'm glad you're back!" |
| 09:04.46 | brullo | stjepan, what is YOUR purpose and what is your NEEDS? |
| 09:05.26 | stjepan | well, I want system good for programming, with many programs installed :D, and system for desktop |
| 09:05.29 | vorsprung | I think it is a "programmerish" point of view that says "i want the newest stuff" |
| 09:05.41 | deadcat | if i am running lprng on my desktop with a printer, can i share the printer to my lan machines? |
| 09:05.48 | stjepan | now I am in slackware and I hate it because there is no dependency checking >:-O |
| 09:05.54 | bob2 | hey, I'm a programmer and I manage to control my desire for new things |
| 09:05.55 | bob2 | sometimes |
| 09:05.56 | caphuso | deadcat: sure |
| 09:06.04 | vorsprung | sys admins want it stable, sod the features |
| 09:06.23 | deadcat | caphuso: what do lan machines to run to get the printing working? what does my desktop have to do to share? |
| 09:06.31 | stjepan | ok gys tnx very very much. I'll try Debian Linux 8-) |
| 09:06.34 | deadcat | caphuso: new to printer (= |
| 09:07.14 | caphuso | deadcat: depends on a couple of factors |
| 09:07.16 | ma3x | hi |
| 09:07.21 | bob2 | stjepan: remember to read the sid faq |
| 09:07.22 | brullo | deadcat, /msg dpkg cups |
| 09:07.24 | ma3x | why the german characters display not here? |
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| 09:07.33 | ma3x | something is wrong with the encoding, how do i fix it/ |
| 09:07.33 | deadcat | brullo: i want to stick with lprng |
| 09:07.34 | stjepan | bob2: don't worry |
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| 09:08.01 | brullo | ma3x, ACHTUNG! This channel is english only |
| 09:08.05 | lestest | nkuttler: isn't bind too heavy for my PC? |
| 09:08.27 | brullo | deadcat, ok man |
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| 09:08.37 | ma3x | brullo, so wtf? I didn't say anything in german! I asked how do add that encoding |
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| 09:09.45 | brullo | ma3x, ok man |
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| 09:10.22 | deadcat | caphuso: what factors? |
| 09:10.39 | caphuso | deadcat: e.g. the OS of the clients |
| 09:10.44 | nkuttler | lestest: i run it on a five year old laptop... apt-cache search dns daemon or something similar |
| 09:10.49 | deadcat | caphuso: win, linux, osx |
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| 09:11.47 | ma3x | why is debian not supporting the öäü german characters for the applications? |
| 09:11.48 | brullo | ma3x, base-config ? |
| 09:11.58 | caphuso | deadcat: well, the linux, and is suspect the osx parts too, are easy: basically set up their printing system to go to your desktop box. with windows, you might need to set up the printer via samba |
| 09:12.15 | brullo | ma3x, apt-cache search german i18n |
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| 09:12.37 | xwolf | du solltest auch das richtige db nehmen |
| 09:12.41 | caphuso | deadcat: if you were to change to cups, it probably be a bit easier, since all systems support that natively |
| 09:12.42 | xwolf | wops |
| 09:12.45 | deadcat | caphuso: ah. just allow machines from network to print on the desktop machine right? |
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| 09:12.50 | caphuso | deadcat: yeah |
| 09:12.51 | lestest | nkuttler: easy to configure with apt? |
| 09:12.53 | deadcat | k |
| 09:13.23 | fireba11 | just found out the novell web admin is stuipd .. ^^ |
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| 09:13.41 | nkuttler | lestest: what? a cache only bind? google it |
| 09:13.41 | brullo | fireba11, HEY! That might be ME ;-) |
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| 09:14.03 | Gnea | very stuipd indeed |
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| 09:14.16 | debian707 | holas |
| 09:14.35 | debian707 | some one can please tell me how to config the land card? |
| 09:14.40 | fireba11 | brullo: if it's you .. why the fuck did you put the torrents for suse 10 on the same FTP that delivers the full files ? it's almost not reacing anymore so i can't get the 270 KB torrent file ^^ |
| 09:14.43 | caphuso | debian707: man 5 interfaces |
| 09:14.45 | ma3x | brullo, do i have to restart kde after the installation of that german package? |
| 09:14.47 | streuner | ma3x: so you think its a irc-client problem? |
| 09:14.53 | Gnea | !tell debian707 about interfaces |
| 09:14.55 | debian707 | ok |
| 09:15.01 | debian707 | thank you |
| 09:15.01 | lestest | nkuttler: apt is not sufficient ? |
| 09:15.15 | streuner | ma3x: or a general problem to print german chars (Umlaute) at all? |
| 09:15.25 | brullo | ma3x, I think so...try ctrl alt backspace to kill xwindows and then startx |
| 09:15.45 | brullo | fireba11, suse? what is that? can you eat it? :-) |
| 09:15.56 | ma3x | streuner, to emulate german chars at all |
| 09:16.06 | concept10 | is dpkg-buildpackage the standard way developers build .debs? |
| 09:16.15 | octoberdan | grrr can't get simh's pdp11 emulator working... anyone ever do somthing lick this? |
| 09:16.21 | fireba11 | brullo: you know the guys that novell revently bought as they noticed they require linux know-how :-) |
| 09:16.23 | caphuso | concept10: it's one way |
| 09:16.36 | octoberdan | *like |
| 09:16.43 | concept10 | caphuso, what is the most common way, im curious |
| 09:17.06 | caphuso | concept10: "most common" is a pretty stupid classification |
| 09:17.07 | brullo | fireba11, Yes, Novells entire knowledge base is full of suse stuff nowadays. |
| 09:17.39 | streuner | ma3x: http://channel.debian.de/faq/ check out this |
| 09:17.59 | ma3x | thanks streuner |
| 09:18.16 | concept10 | caphuso, ive only heard of one more thats why im asking |
| 09:18.57 | caphuso | concept10: there's probably at least a dozen different ways |
| 09:19.54 | ma3x | streuner, I don't see any question about the encoding there |
| 09:19.54 | ma3x | do you? |
| 09:20.18 | streuner | ma3x: you just want to use 'umlaute' ? |
| 09:20.25 | concept10 | dammit... im compiling lighttpd on a 333mhz celeron, I may as well goto sleep |
| 09:21.00 | streuner | ma3x: what do you mean with 'encoding'? |
| 09:21.30 | lestest | is there a way to know glibc version without dpkg but looking into glibc files? |
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| 09:22.06 | ma3x | streuner, when there is some text in programs, like in skype or amarok, it does not display the umlauts |
| 09:22.25 | bob2 | lestest: '/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /lib/libc.so.6' |
| 09:22.38 | ma3x | streuner, for eg. if there is ä, I see ü instead |
| 09:23.11 | streuner | ma3x: well, those apps. *have* to support umlaute, if they don't support them you are fucked |
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| 09:23.26 | caphuso | ma3x: that means you're getting UTF-8 encoded stuff, but are using a single byte encoding locale |
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| 09:23.51 | ma3x | caphuso, so what should i do> |
| 09:24.00 | streuner | ma3x: i don't think skype support locales |
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| 09:25.56 | lestest | great bob |
| 09:26.47 | streuner | /usr/share/skype/lang/skype_de.qm |
| 09:26.51 | streuner | whatever that means |
| 09:26.53 | honschu | my qt-program shows different fontsizes on two linux boxes - one with x.org and one with sarge-xf86??? |
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| 09:29.44 | concept10 | how do I check the number of packages installed besides dpkg -l | wc -l ? |
| 09:30.22 | azeem | concept10: you could parse /var/lib/dpkg/status or something, I guess |
| 09:30.45 | azeem | maybe synaptic or aptitude tell you |
| 09:31.11 | debian707 | thank you averybody now my networkcard is working :D |
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| 09:31.42 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.42 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:31.57 | concept10 | azeem, cli only dont see the option in aptitude |
| 09:32.07 | ma3x | However the following packages replace it: |
| 09:32.07 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.14 | ma3x | I have that already installed, but it does NOT replace it |
| 09:32.16 | azeem | concept10: what's wrong with the approach you just pointed out yourself? |
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| 09:32.55 | ma3x | why can't i install skype from packages? |
| 09:32.58 | concept10 | azeem, nothing I guess, didnt know if it was accurate or not - its just counting words |
| 09:33.05 | ma3x | why isn't skype in the apt-cache? |
| 09:33.09 | streuner | ma3x: its NOT free source |
| 09:33.14 | azeem | ma3x: because it is not recompiled for the C++ transition, I guess |
| 09:33.16 | streuner | ma3x: /msg dpkg skype |
| 09:33.22 | streuner | uh, no |
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| 09:33.45 | streuner | skype doesn't support any free or/and open source |
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| 09:33.53 | azeem | concept10: wc -l is counting lines |
| 09:34.11 | azeem | concept10: you need to make sure to just pick the lines with 'ii' at the beginning, of course |
| 09:34.13 | concept10 | ma3x, are you running gnome? |
| 09:34.18 | ma3x | concept10, kde |
| 09:34.48 | ma3x | damn |
| 09:35.03 | ma3x | i just removed the old skype, with hope that i will install the new skype |
| 09:35.04 | ma3x | and now i fucked up |
| 09:35.10 | ma3x | i can't install it anymore |
| 09:35.10 | streuner | ma3x: try sdn (/msg dpkg sdn) and wth you are running unstable? |
| 09:35.11 | azeem | somebody claimed skype would work if you just force the installation, albeit on Ubuntu |
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| 09:35.16 | azeem | no warranty, of course |
| 09:35.22 | concept10 | I tried to install skype yesterday on ubuntu and got the same error but I went to the menu and it wsa there and it worked |
| 09:35.24 | niXnutz | does anybody now why the authentification against a ldap server don´t work anymore after upgrading the OS? |
| 09:35.28 | streuner | azeem: ubuntu isn't debian... |
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| 09:35.37 | niXnutz | wh00pz wrong chan ^^ |
| 09:35.39 | azeem | streuner: yeah, and they totally recoded libqt |
| 09:35.44 | jhaig | How do I redo the MTA configuration? I know it is "dpkg-reconfigure <package>" but I don't know what <package> is. |
| 09:35.53 | ma3x | concept10, well it doesnt work here |
| 09:36.09 | sep | jhaig, exim4 ? it's exim4-config |
| 09:36.20 | ma3x | concept10, actually it DOES! |
| 09:36.22 | ma3x | hehe |
| 09:36.28 | ma3x | you get that stupid error but it does work |
| 09:36.39 | streuner | jhaig: there are not many possibilties, in case you have to ask its exim then |
| 09:36.42 | jhaig | sep: Thanks. It is a default install, so it is probably that. I tried just 'exim' but it didn't work. |
| 09:36.43 | concept10 | ma3x, was it in the menu? |
| 09:36.54 | ma3x | concept10, no, but it was in /usr/local blabla |
| 09:37.00 | Zugschlus | jhaig: what MTA do you use? |
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| 09:37.53 | streuner | Zugschlus: exim, what else if he ask for?... |
| 09:37.54 | jhaig | Zugschlus: I have not specifically selected one, so it is the default for Sarge. |
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| 09:38.29 | concept10 | ma3x, i couldnt find that libqt crap package myself |
| 09:38.58 | niXnutz | is there anybody who knows how to install an usb wlan stick on ubuntu? |
| 09:39.05 | streuner | concept10: you surely got an error message, search at sdn (/msg dpkg sdn) |
| 09:39.06 | caphuso | niXnutz: #ubuntu is right over there |
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| 09:39.21 | niXnutz | caphuso: thx |
| 09:39.38 | streuner | And don't use unstable if you have such problems |
| 09:39.38 | Zugschlus | jhaig: was the box installed as sarge, or is it an update from woody? |
| 09:39.55 | concept10 | streuner, huh? |
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| 09:40.04 | streuner | conecpt10: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 09:40.26 | jhaig | Zugschlus: Just installed as Sarge about 30 minutes ago. Anyway, what sep told me was correct - I needed exim4-config |
| 09:40.37 | ma3x | when i set the ogg vorbis encoding quality to 3 or to 7, it always encodes the same |
| 09:40.37 | ma3x | why is that? |
| 09:40.42 | ma3x | i mean i always get the same sized files |
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| 09:40.51 | ma3x | should i restart kde after the change or what? |
| 09:40.57 | Zugschlus | jhaig: good. |
| 09:41.00 | concept10 | streuner, for what? |
| 09:41.04 | hcy | is there a way to use dpkg or apt-get to find out which package installed certain libs? |
| 09:41.09 | concept10 | streuner, why did you ask that? |
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| 09:41.19 | hcy | or, which packages depend on certain libs? |
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| 09:42.23 | streuner | hcy: /msg dpkg depends <package> |
| 09:42.30 | concept10 | streuner, this is for you smart ass : ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 09:42.31 | concept10 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:42.49 | MrGreen_ | I have a problem with debootstrap pkgdetails cannot execute binary file? |
| 09:43.02 | streuner | concept10: so why do you think you have an install problem (skype) then? |
| 09:43.20 | hcy | streuner: dpkg (the bot) says the package doesn't exist, but it does |
| 09:43.31 | concept10 | streuner, _I as in ME_ did have a problem |
| 09:43.35 | streuner | hcy: has it a name? |
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| 09:43.49 | concept10 | streuner, *didnt |
| 09:44.06 | concept10 | streuner, the other guy was having the problem |
| 09:44.27 | streuner | ok |
| 09:44.43 | hcy | streuner: i'm having trouble compiling and running the ffmpeg cvs. I found some libavcodec so's lying around in /usr/lib, and it's been suggested that they may be conflicting with the new one I'm trying to use. I'd like to know who put those there, so I can remove them cleanly. |
| 09:44.43 | M23 | does anyone know which package I need to install to get the japanese fonts to appear in Kiten? |
| 09:44.57 | caphuso | hcy: dpkg -S |
| 09:45.50 | hcy | caphuso: thanks |
| 09:46.13 | MrGreen_ | I guess I'll read the manual then ;-) |
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| 09:47.01 | [Pixels] | okay this might be a dumb question, but how can i switch from gdm as default to kdm ? |
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| 09:47.20 | bob2 | 1) remove gdm |
| 09:47.23 | bob2 | 2) install kdm |
| 09:47.26 | bob2 | 3) drink beer |
| 09:47.26 | citral | M23: apt-cache search ttf japanese would be a good start |
| 09:47.31 | bob2 | steps 1 & 2 are optional |
| 09:47.35 | [Pixels] | i have both installed lol |
| 09:47.38 | [Pixels] | mmm beer |
| 09:47.44 | MrGreen_ | bob2: could you help me with debootstrap? |
| 09:47.46 | [Pixels] | the only thing better than beer, is more beer |
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| 09:47.59 | [Pixels] | and maybe my gf |
| 09:48.01 | bob2 | or more better beer |
| 09:48.06 | [Pixels] | yes! |
| 09:48.09 | [Pixels] | :) |
| 09:48.22 | bob2 | MrGreen_: sounds like you're trying to install one arch on another |
| 09:48.31 | MrGreen_ | yup |
| 09:48.41 | brullo | bob2, Nice topic, which beer is the *best*? |
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| 09:48.48 | MrGreen_ | It not gonna work |
| 09:48.49 | MrGreen_ | lol |
| 09:48.50 | bob2 | brullo: cooper's heritage ale |
| 09:48.51 | citral | beck's of course |
| 09:49.08 | azeem | Augustiner Edelstoff |
| 09:49.26 | brullo | bob2, ahh...never tried that one. *taking notes* ;-) |
| 09:49.47 | PuGz | hey guys... i am running unstable, and i cant install gnome, and gnome needs evolution and evolution needs libsoup2.2-7 and i have libsoup2.2-8 installed... can i somehow install gnome? |
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| 09:49.58 | azeem | PuGz: known issue |
| 09:50.03 | PuGz | like, make evolution install without libsoup |
| 09:50.06 | PuGz | azeem: ok |
| 09:50.20 | PuGz | azeem: can i install evolution without libsoup in the mean time? |
| 09:50.24 | brullo | bob2, WTF! apt-get install coopers-heritage-ale does not work for me! Do I need unstable? 2.6? What??? |
| 09:50.29 | azeem | PuGz: I guess this works: install gnome-core, then check what other Depends there are on gnome-desktop-environment, and install those |
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| 09:50.36 | azeem | then, wait till evolution is fixed to install that as well |
| 09:50.42 | PuGz | azeem: cool |
| 09:50.44 | bob2 | brullo: I think it Depends: living-in-australia ;) |
| 09:50.45 | PuGz | ok |
| 09:50.53 | PuGz | i am in aus too |
| 09:50.56 | brullo | bob2, OIC ;-) |
| 09:51.18 | MrGreen_ | bob2 soooo I cannot use a 32arch to install 64arch (chroot will never work) |
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| 09:51.28 | MrGreen_ | sooo I'll have to boot into a 64bit distro |
| 09:51.43 | human_torch | hello |
| 09:51.50 | bob2 | MrGreen_: eh? |
| 09:51.59 | MrGreen_ | no worries |
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| 09:52.04 | bob2 | MrGreen_: if you mean "i386" and "amd64", you need to say so |
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| 09:52.17 | MrGreen_ | i686 |
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| 09:52.24 | human_torch | i need driver for a Compex RL2000 PNP ethernet adapter |
| 09:52.34 | r3tex | how can i check if i have nptl enabled? |
| 09:53.14 | sep | human_torch, what chipset is on it ? lspci |
| 09:53.15 | M23 | citral, will do. thanks. |
| 09:53.30 | human_torch | i dont know |
| 09:54.08 | sep | human_torch, try the ne2000 module |
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| 09:55.08 | stjepan | hello |
| 09:55.23 | stjepan | may I use rpms in debian? |
| 09:55.23 | PuGz | how long do we think until gnome 2.12 in unstable? is there a way i can find things like this out in the future without asking? |
| 09:55.30 | PuGz | stjepan: alien |
| 09:55.32 | sep | human_torch, i think the filename is ne2k-pci iirc |
| 09:55.33 | stjepan | I think, convert rpm with alien to deb |
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| 09:55.38 | azeem | PuGz: monitor the debian-gtk-gnome list |
| 09:55.38 | human_torch | thanks a lot |
| 09:55.43 | stjepan | PuGz: is that safe? |
| 09:55.44 | human_torch | cya |
| 09:55.49 | azeem | PuGz: 2.12 is being uploaded (slowly) to experimental |
| 09:55.56 | PuGz | cool |
| 09:56.03 | sep | stjepan, and you should perhaps also say why you want to use it, so we can stop you if you are about to do something stupid |
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| 09:56.18 | azeem | PuGz: however, 2.10 is still being sorted out for etch, so it might take a while (and some of the Debian GNOME team dudes are working on the Ubuntu release right now) |
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| 09:56.36 | PuGz | azeem: ahhh |
| 09:57.04 | SimonRaven | wee |
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| 09:57.33 | stjepan | SimonRaven: wee :)) |
| 09:57.48 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 09:57.55 | hcy | hi, i got a wireless network card (pcmcia) and I'd like to get it working. Trouble is I have no wireless network here (at home) where I need to set it up (with you guys' help), and when I take the laptop to a library to test it out, if it doesn't work I won't be able to contact you guys for help. Can someone help me set it up like this? |
| 09:58.07 | SimonRaven | got this box running again, which is why the "wee" |
| 09:58.50 | SimonRaven | 500+ MB to download however.... *sigh* |
| 09:59.05 | SimonRaven | (no updates for weeks; running sid) |
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| 09:59.51 | stjepan | I want to copy Debian DVD. But I have only cdrom and dvdrw. How to do that? I must copy all contents of DVD on hard disk and then burn that contents on new DVD? Is that correct way? |
| 10:00.11 | hcy | stjepan: well, dd it |
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| 10:00.48 | stjepan | hcy: ??? |
| 10:00.53 | SimonRaven | man dd |
| 10:01.00 | hcy | yeah man |
| 10:01.06 | SimonRaven | !dd |
| 10:01.06 | dpkg | i heard dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer |
| 10:01.22 | PuGz | stjepan: you could just use a burning program and do it... it'll make a temporary iso on your hard drive and burn it from that afterwards... i recommend k3b for kde |
| 10:01.29 | petemc | stjepan: i thought you were an advanced user? |
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| 10:01.39 | titoune | !dd |
| 10:01.39 | dpkg | from memory, dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer |
| 10:01.55 | blenda | hcy: maybe you got login to one of the library's computers to get help/documentation. |
| 10:02.12 | hcy | blenda: has nothing to do with a library |
| 10:02.16 | yacko | hii guys .. i am having hard time increaseing my resolution |
| 10:02.30 | stjepan | petemc: :D ok I am maybe not real advanced user... but I used Gentoo :D |
| 10:02.36 | yacko | in the resolution option there is no option above 800x600 |
| 10:02.38 | PuGz | yacko: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/XF86-Config |
| 10:02.39 | hcy | blenda: i want the card to be recognized, to pick up whatever networks are available wherever it is |
| 10:02.55 | stjepan | PuGz: tnx |
| 10:02.56 | SimonRaven | titoune: um, use /msg dpklg next time, thanks |
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| 10:02.58 | PuGz | yacko: what version of debian are you using? |
| 10:03.03 | SimonRaven | er, dpkg even |
| 10:03.09 | blenda | hcy: "when I take the laptop to a library to test it out, if it doesn't work I won't be able to contact you guys for help" |
| 10:03.16 | yacko | debian sarge iguess for amd64 |
| 10:03.29 | PuGz | ok... its XF86-Config then |
| 10:03.32 | SimonRaven | don't guess, know |
| 10:03.36 | sep | yacko, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-[xfree86|xorg] |
| 10:03.43 | hcy | blenda: library, or any place that has wireless |
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| 10:03.46 | PuGz | sep: thats probably even easier |
| 10:03.55 | yacko | PuGz i tried to configure xf86config .. but still i dont get any bigger resolution. |
| 10:03.59 | baubau | ngiorno |
| 10:04.02 | PuGz | yacko: yep, do what sep said... it'll edit that file for you |
| 10:04.06 | blenda | I've forgotten my password to Gnome's keyring. Is there a way to reset it? I don't care if my saved passwords are lost. |
| 10:04.13 | sep | yacko, since you messed with your config you also need |
| 10:04.16 | sep | !xmd5 |
| 10:04.16 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 10:04.16 | yacko | last time when i installed it had automaitcally take 1024x786 i guess |
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| 10:05.50 | yacko | thaax |
| 10:05.51 | yacko | lemme try |
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| 10:06.08 | yacko | do i need to get out of gnome to do this command |
| 10:06.28 | PuGz | yacko: no, but it will only take effect after you restart X |
| 10:06.30 | yacko | or can it be done from gnome termianal also |
| 10:06.34 | yacko | oh][ |
| 10:06.37 | yacko | ok |
| 10:06.38 | yacko | kool |
| 10:06.38 | PuGz | yacko: might be an idea to get out though |
| 10:06.45 | yacko | ok |
| 10:06.49 | PuGz | just log out and do it in a console |
| 10:06.54 | yacko | i will better get it out |
| 10:07.00 | hcy | blenda: my question is not about specific networks. |
| 10:07.16 | yacko | PuGz one thing .. it automatically gets me into the gdm .. how do i get in console |
| 10:07.27 | k | a small question: can someone say me adhoc, which rights the user debian-sys-maint on a mysql-server needs, to do his jobs like db-checking and so on? |
| 10:08.02 | sep | k just never mess with it |
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| 10:08.30 | yacko | hehe .. i try to .. but i am a newbie .. to tend to mess up while learning |
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| 10:08.55 | PuGz | yacko: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 10:09.00 | hcy | does anybody here know how to set up a wireless card in debian please? |
| 10:09.01 | yacko | ok |
| 10:09.02 | yacko | thanx |
| 10:09.05 | PuGz | yacko: to get back to graphics ctrl+alt+f7 |
| 10:09.07 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 10:09.11 | yacko | thanx |
| 10:09.16 | PuGz | yacko: once your in a console, "killall gdm" |
| 10:09.26 | yacko | ok |
| 10:09.30 | PuGz | that will stop gdm and X running |
| 10:09.33 | caphuso | /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 10:09.34 | PuGz | then your free |
| 10:09.38 | k | sep: well, I carry around a backup-db which is much older than the "debian-sys-maint invention"... so I never inserted one.. I think it's time now.. :) |
| 10:09.39 | PuGz | caphuso: true |
| 10:09.42 | yacko | kool |
| 10:09.50 | yacko | lemme try now |
| 10:09.59 | PuGz | ok |
| 10:10.09 | sep | k the default one created have all permisions |
| 10:10.10 | dodgyville | ifup eth0 gives me "no dhcpoffers received" with my adsl modem plugged in. |
| 10:10.38 | sep | dodgyville, perhaps you need pppoe ? |
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| 10:10.50 | sep | !pppoe |
| 10:10.50 | dpkg | pppoe is, like, ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
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| 10:11.27 | blenda | hcy: okey... i'm sorry, but i don't know much about wlan:s |
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| 10:11.40 | nomed | hi all |
| 10:11.47 | nomed | how can i install new fonts ? |
| 10:11.52 | k | sep: as root? |
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| 10:12.02 | lestest | hi there ... is there a way to tell dhclient not to modify resolv.conf ? |
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| 10:12.23 | hcy | blenda: ok |
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| 10:13.03 | nomed | lestest, #usepeerdns |
| 10:13.20 | lestest | nomed: thankz |
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| 10:13.58 | blenda | !last gnome |
| 10:14.22 | dodgyville | sep: It says if finds the ethernet card, but it just won't talk to the modem. |
| 10:14.23 | liable | yay, hibernate works again, not that i ever use it, but its fixed again anayway :) |
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| 10:15.02 | PuGz | anyway i can find out which package owns a certain file? |
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| 10:15.14 | NewIRC | good morning |
| 10:15.24 | liable | dpkg -S, apt-file |
| 10:15.34 | liable | !tell PuGz about search |
| 10:15.35 | sep | dodgyville, i'v never owned a adsl, i just know that some use ethernet other use pppoe |
| 10:15.52 | PuGz | liable: cheers |
| 10:15.56 | liable | np |
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| 10:16.12 | yacko | PuGz sep do i need to add -" - in the end ? |
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| 10:17.09 | PuGz | yacko: in the end of what? what you up to? |
| 10:17.17 | yacko | PuGz it says the files files are identical |
| 10:17.29 | yacko | md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum - |
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| 10:18.11 | sep | yacko, if the files are identical then it's good, you can now run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:18.39 | yacko | yes |
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| 10:20.46 | PatruzZRock | Hi everybody, I need some help on Debian... could anybody help me? |
| 10:20.59 | sep | !tell PatruzZRock abotu ask |
| 10:21.06 | sep | !tell PatruzZRock about ask |
| 10:21.41 | dodgyville | When I plug an ADSL modem in my ethernet card, should it register somewhere on the system? (ie dmesg)? |
| 10:21.47 | PatruzZRock | I need to configure X with my ati radeon x600... I don't know where to find the correct drivers |
| 10:22.36 | sep | PatruzZRock, ask dpkg in msg about ati and ati drivers |
| 10:23.46 | PatruzZRock | thanks I'll do |
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| 10:24.55 | terrencevak | Hello there |
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| 10:25.31 | lestest | nomed: usepeerdns is not a dhclient.conf parameter |
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| 10:25.54 | nomed | lestest, do you have resolvconf pkge ? |
| 10:26.12 | lestest | nomed: nope |
| 10:26.18 | terrencevak | I'm trying to get libgnomeui, since I can't get gnome-session without it, and I get the error messages I've posted at www.terrencevak.net/output.txt. Can someone tell me how to fix it? |
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| 10:26.40 | yacko | PuGz sep it worked |
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| 10:26.44 | yacko | thanks alot |
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| 10:26.56 | yacko | i got atleast 1024x768 |
| 10:27.00 | yacko | no bad tho |
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| 10:27.51 | yacko | btw how do i add my ip to config files perminantly .. at the moment i have to configure eth0 everytmime |
| 10:28.00 | caphuso | yacko: man 5 interfaces |
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| 10:29.06 | PuGz | yacko: cool |
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| 10:29.30 | SimonRaven | ugh, 796 bug reports to fetch.... |
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| 10:29.40 | yacko | aptitude dosnt resume |
| 10:29.42 | yacko | :( |
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| 10:30.22 | terrencevak | Actually, the question I should've asked is, where do I get gconftool-2? |
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| 10:31.51 | yacko | i am using laptop .. is there any way that i shows me my battery life in debian |
| 10:32.06 | PuGz | yacko: you in gnome? |
| 10:32.18 | PuGz | yacko: right click on panel and say add applet or whatever it is |
| 10:32.19 | yacko | yes |
| 10:32.24 | PuGz | yacko: select battery monitor |
| 10:32.27 | petemc | yacko: there are lots of little applets, or you can look in /proc/acpi/ yourself |
| 10:32.30 | liable | !test |
| 10:32.30 | dpkg | Yes, liable, you're still online. |
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| 10:34.20 | PatruzZRock | sep, dpkg is not answering me, maybe is afk... |
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| 10:35.27 | liable | !hi |
| 10:35.27 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 10:35.32 | yacko | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.43 | pandrew | hello. is i possible to compile centericq statically? (it needs libsigc-1.0.so.0, and i don't have it on the system where i want to run it, and i don't have root permisiions to install it). |
| 10:36.28 | PuGz | yacko: aptitude install acpid |
| 10:36.40 | yacko | ok |
| 10:37.13 | PuGz | then see what it says |
| 10:37.22 | yacko | ok |
| 10:37.23 | PuGz | if it doesnt change, try deleting that applet and then adding it again |
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| 10:37.36 | yacko | ok |
| 10:38.35 | PuGz | brb |
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| 10:39.10 | yacko | it says unknown tmie and 0% remaining |
| 10:39.19 | yacko | when i double click it gives me error |
| 10:39.55 | sep | dpkg you bad bot, dont go afk :) |
| 10:40.11 | yacko | failed to execute child process " /usr/bin/apm" no souch file or directory please try to correct the error |
| 10:40.11 | sep | wonder how polite he was trying to be when talking to the bot... |
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| 10:42.33 | grozniy | Hi all, can anybody help with evolution installation on debian sid, i can install it because always complains about " Depends: libsoup2.2-7 (>=2.2.3) but it is not installable" ? |
| 10:42.36 | lestest | nomed: I have installed resolvconf where do usepperdns should go? |
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| 10:43.45 | bibe | grozniy : what does 'apt-cache policy libsoup2.2-7' outputs? |
| 10:44.24 | grozniy | libsoup2.2-7: |
| 10:44.25 | grozniy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.25 | grozniy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.25 | grozniy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:44.32 | CrypTom | how can one determine which installed packages are from unstable and which from testing (if both are in the sources.list)? |
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| 10:45.00 | nomed | lestest, i asked because with dhclient just resolvconf could change resolv.conf file ... dh_client in my case doesn't touch resolv.conf file, the one that can change it is ppp where there is the userpeerdns option |
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| 10:45.40 | bibe | grozniy : you have to add etch (testing) repositories, that package doesn't show up in sid. Next time don't paste here (and read the topic, btw ;)) |
| 10:45.45 | Guerin | nomed: a dhcp server can attempt to update resolv.conf and other such files, too |
| 10:46.04 | Guerin | nomed: this can be disabled in your dhcp client in some, but apparently not all cases |
| 10:46.06 | lestest | nomed: well ... so I need to configure resolvconf, right? |
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| 10:46.29 | grozniy | bibe: thank |
| 10:46.49 | nomed | ok Guerin ok .. i didn't know this ... i was sure it was resolvconf pkge that could do that with dhclient |
| 10:46.52 | grozniy | bibe: you ;P |
| 10:46.54 | Baughn | It seems that a server running Debian Stable (updated) and which only has SSH open has been zombiefied. |
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| 10:46.59 | Baughn | What is going on here? |
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| 10:47.44 | ircdevil | Baughn: no login possible? |
| 10:47.46 | fireba11 | now that sounds pretty onlikely |
| 10:47.52 | fireba11 | unlikely even |
| 10:47.53 | Guerin | nomed: the file to edit client-side is /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 10:47.59 | petemc | Baughn: week password perhaps |
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| 10:48.05 | petemc | weak.. |
| 10:48.10 | ircdevil | Baughn: full disk could be |
| 10:48.21 | Baughn | petemc: S/key or key-based are the only allowed. No passwords. |
| 10:48.37 | Baughn | You're right, it sounds pretty unlikely. |
| 10:48.47 | petemc | Baughn: well, theres not much point speculating, take the machine off line and check |
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| 10:48.52 | Guerin | petemc: i dunno, i think SundayMondayTuesdayWednesdayThursdayFridaySaturday is quite a strong password |
| 10:48.57 | petemc | :) |
| 10:49.01 | Baughn | Regardless, the router logs appear fairly conclusive; it has been talking to botnets. |
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| 10:49.15 | Baughn | ircdevil: Full disk? Why? |
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| 10:49.22 | hackeron | why does oprofile depend on X11 common on Debian? |
| 10:49.31 | CrypTom | is there a command for listing all packages installed from a source other than "APT::Default-Release"? |
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| 10:49.35 | nomed | Guerin, yes .. but i didn't find any var to set the resolv.conf stuff .. anyway nice to know :) |
| 10:49.43 | Guerin | hackeron: because it's built against some X libraries |
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| 10:50.25 | Baughn | petemc: So, how do I check? Can I check md5sums of all installed files against official Debian sources somehow? |
| 10:50.34 | Guerin | Baughn: debsums |
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| 10:50.47 | hackeron | Guerin: I need to debug a problem on a server, is there a non X version? |
| 10:50.58 | Guerin | Baughn: but there's no point: nuke and reinstall |
| 10:51.09 | r3tex | i'm having trouble with my debian here |
| 10:51.11 | Baughn | Guerin: I just did. It got infected anyway. |
| 10:51.14 | petemc | Baughn: proper forensics isnt something you can pick up on irc, and tbh i dont know enough about it myself to be of much use.. |
| 10:51.15 | r3tex | something has happened |
| 10:51.16 | fireba11 | r3tex: details ? |
| 10:51.22 | Guerin | hackeron: just install x-common on the server. It's only a few libs, not a full client or server setup. |
| 10:51.23 | r3tex | my / filesystem is mounted readonly apparently |
| 10:51.25 | Baughn | There's no point unless I can figure out how it happened. |
| 10:51.31 | Guerin | Baughn: what setup? |
| 10:51.35 | r3tex | fireba11: this happened a while after startup |
| 10:51.39 | Baughn | Guerin: Standard Debian. |
| 10:51.43 | Guerin | Baughn: what release of debian, I mean. |
| 10:51.47 | Baughn | Guerin: stable. |
| 10:51.50 | r3tex | fireba11: i have like 2 days uptime now and suddenly i can't write files anymore |
| 10:51.56 | r3tex | it seems like anyways |
| 10:52.03 | Baughn | If I didn't know better, I'd suspect someone's suborned my package source. |
| 10:52.11 | hackeron | Guerin: ok, makes sense, thanks |
| 10:52.18 | fireba11 | r3tex: most likely reasons it that detected an error when writing to the HD, default is to remount read-only after that |
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| 10:52.30 | sep | r3tex, type mount verify if it's ro or rw |
| 10:52.42 | fireba11 | sep: good point |
| 10:52.46 | r3tex | sep: /dev/hda2 on / type jfs (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 10:52.56 | Guerin | Baughn: do a clean offline install from cd, install an iptables firewall with restrictive permissions, update to latest security, and enable services one by one. |
| 10:53.21 | Baughn | Guerin: Yes, I did that. |
| 10:53.36 | altobus | somebody help me ? |
| 10:53.46 | sep | r3tex, and /proc/mounts is agreeing ? |
| 10:53.49 | Guerin | Baughn: if you're owned without any services running, it's likely a vulnerability in your local network or the kernel itself. |
| 10:53.51 | nkuttler | !tell altobus about ask |
| 10:53.58 | Baughn | altobus: Did you ask a question yet? |
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| 10:54.11 | altobus | where i can found drivers for my wireless card on debian ? |
| 10:54.17 | r3tex | sep: /proc/mounts says it's mounted readonly =/ |
| 10:54.20 | Baughn | Guerin: Such as an habitually unlocked, security-less server room. Hmm.. |
| 10:54.21 | nkuttler | altobus: what chipset? |
| 10:54.25 | Guerin | Baughn: what public services were running at pwn time? |
| 10:54.28 | r3tex | sep: can i fsck it now or should i reboot? |
| 10:54.30 | Baughn | Guerin: SSH. |
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| 10:54.46 | Guerin | Baughn: only ssh? And debian's stock 2.6.8-2 kernel? |
| 10:54.48 | Baughn | altobus: What card is it? |
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| 10:55.00 | Baughn | Guerin: Whatever's in stable (w/ security updates) right now, anyway. |
| 10:55.00 | sep | r3tex, i'd say you should take your backups now |
| 10:55.19 | r3tex | i'm doing as we speak |
| 10:55.20 | sep | r3tex, then you can start worrying about fsck or replacing the disk, look in dmesg for error messages |
| 10:55.24 | Guerin | Baughn: that's quite remarkable, if true. |
| 10:55.33 | fireba11 | r3tex: don't reboot when your system is behaving susicious without a recent backup handy :-) |
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| 10:55.45 | Baughn | Guerin: It may have been 0wned on the physical level, which would be less remarkable. |
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| 10:56.10 | Baughn | altobus: (Check the output of lspci if you don't know) |
| 10:56.13 | fireba11 | Baughn: true |
| 10:56.14 | Guerin | Baughn: true. |
| 10:56.16 | berzerka | CrypTom: I have found a way. |
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| 10:56.24 | fireba11 | Guerin: lol |
| 10:56.39 | sep | Baughn, you dont have claymores tripwired to the physical keyboard ? |
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| 10:56.47 | Baughn | r3tex: Rule #1: Reboots don't fix anything. |
| 10:57.14 | r3tex | Baughn: yeah they do because you fsck before the filesystem is mounted |
| 10:57.18 | fireba11 | Baughn: i got an installation that proves you wrong .. it doesn't remove the problem but fixes it for a while ^^ |
| 10:57.34 | berzerka | CrypTom: aptitude search '!~Atesting~Aunstable~i', for example, lists all installed packages which are available in unstable but not available in testing, hope it helps.. |
| 10:57.38 | altobus | its 802.11g Wireless LAN PCI Card EDIMAX |
| 10:57.52 | Baughn | sep: Um, actually I soldered the keyboard port into oblivion. It's a Compaq, and requires a keyboard to boot.. well, it thinks it's got one. :/ |
| 10:57.55 | Guerin | i ahve occasional network failures which are only fixed by reboot - but I blame hardware for that, so it doesn't count. |
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| 10:58.34 | Baughn | altobus: With lspci -v, what subsystem does it claim to have? |
| 10:58.46 | altobus | WHAT ? |
| 10:58.53 | r3tex | A reboot fixes kernelspace memory that got messed up by a hack ;) |
| 10:59.20 | Baughn | altobus: Simple. Type lspci -v. Looks for line labeled "subsystem" in the card info. Paste copy. |
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| 11:01.21 | fireba11 | ... and then there was silence |
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| 11:01.57 | SimonRaven | caphuso++ |
| 11:02.21 | caphuso | what, for letting the spam bots back in again? >:-) |
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| 11:02.48 | Baughn | Hmm. Why would you do that? |
| 11:02.56 | dpy | hi |
| 11:03.14 | caphuso | Baughn: roboo got caught in the crossfire |
| 11:03.21 | dpy | is there a place I can still download the older kernel-source-2.6.11 debian package ? |
| 11:03.34 | dpy | I need it to rebuild the xen packages from source |
| 11:03.51 | dpy | anyone ? |
| 11:03.53 | roboo | hi.. when i try to upgrade my debian i've a problem. it downloaded all upgraded files but when installing them there's a problem -> can you check please.. http://pastebin.com/386044 |
| 11:04.24 | Guerin | dpy: no, you don't |
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| 11:04.32 | Guerin | !sdn |
| 11:04.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem. |
| 11:04.33 | zumbi | !hi |
| 11:04.33 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
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| 11:04.50 | fireba11 | roboo: you got a package neither installed nor removed, you need to fix that 1st |
| 11:05.02 | Guerin | roboo: apt-get -f install; |
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| 11:05.43 | roboo | http://pastebin.com/386053 |
| 11:05.51 | Baughn | roboo: If that doesn't work, uninstalling gpm and then reinstalling it might. |
| 11:05.51 | zumbi | do you know a nice and easy to use cdda ripper to ogg/mp3 ? |
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| 11:05.53 | caphuso | looks more like "dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/gpm*.deb" to me |
| 11:06.03 | dpy | roboo: so currently it's not possible to rebuild the xen package from source ? |
| 11:06.07 | enyc | zumb: programs like 'grip' frontend... |
| 11:06.08 | dpy | no sorry |
| 11:06.10 | Baughn | zumbi: cdparanoia? |
| 11:06.13 | yacko | how do i add my fat partition permenantly in debain |
| 11:06.14 | enyc | zumb: or 'abcde' from console |
| 11:06.15 | Guerin | dpy: of course it's possible |
| 11:06.15 | dpy | Guerin: so currently it's not possible to rebuild the xen package from source ? |
| 11:06.20 | caphuso | yacko: put it in /etc/fstab |
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| 11:06.41 | dpy | how ? it builddepends on kernel-source-2.6.11 and it has a ***load of patches |
| 11:06.42 | Guerin | dpy: how do you think debian packages come into existence? the Magic Software Fairy? |
| 11:06.56 | fireba11 | roboo: remove gpm and reinstall it, if that doesn't work du a remove --purge on it |
| 11:07.10 | yacko | caphuso can you explain me i am a newbie |
| 11:07.12 | caphuso | roboo: try "dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/gpm*.deb" first |
| 11:07.20 | dpy | Guerin: it depends strongly on that kernel because of about a zillion patches for that kernel that all have been tailor-made and/or handpicked |
| 11:07.23 | honschu | Is dpi 100 or 75 normal? And why is that different for my selfwritten qt-prgorams? |
| 11:07.27 | Guerin | dpy: it's just 1) almost certain that you don't need to do it 2) almost certain that, even if you did need to do it, you don't have the requisite expertise to do it |
| 11:07.37 | Guerin | dpy: so you need to get that kernel. |
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| 11:07.44 | Guerin | dpy: and I told you where! |
| 11:07.54 | caphuso | yacko: man 5 fstab |
| 11:07.59 | caphuso | yacko: and yes, i mind |
| 11:08.09 | roboo | i removed it and i did "apt-get upgrade" again.. i'm waiting for new downloads :( about 2xx mb and about 2 hours |
| 11:08.10 | yacko | ok sorry |
| 11:08.16 | Guerin | dpy: why do you think you need to build the source? |
| 11:08.18 | dpy | Guerin: you said: no you don't |
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| 11:08.26 | Guerin | dpy: you don't need to. |
| 11:08.28 | dpy | Guerin: I want to build it for sarge |
| 11:08.33 | fireba11 | roboo: what the fuck .. when did you upgrade the last time ? |
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| 11:08.44 | WireDDD | dpy sarge or testing? |
| 11:08.44 | Guerin | !info xen sarge |
| 11:08.49 | dpy | sarge |
| 11:08.49 | roboo | yesterday |
| 11:08.50 | dpy | stable |
| 11:08.55 | roboo | sid |
| 11:08.58 | roboo | unstable |
| 11:09.01 | Guerin | bah, it's not in sarge |
| 11:09.02 | Guerin | wtf |
| 11:09.09 | dpy | my point |
| 11:09.17 | dpy | I think it's rather easy to build for sarge |
| 11:09.19 | fireba11 | roboo .. ahh .. that explains a lot :-) |
| 11:09.24 | dpy | *if* I could get my hands on that kernel |
| 11:09.25 | Guerin | dpy: ok, you're one of the 0.01% who actually DOES need to BFS |
| 11:09.26 | sussudio_ | !why is xen not in testing |
| 11:09.27 | dpkg | xen is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xen |
| 11:09.31 | roboo | :p |
| 11:09.46 | Guerin | dpy: grab the kernel source and so on from sdn |
| 11:09.50 | dpy | one sec |
| 11:09.51 | sussudio_ | xen depends on kernel-patch-debian-2.6.11 which is not available in testing kernel-patch-debian-2.6.11 is not a debian package |
| 11:10.09 | Guerin | iow: xen is outdated |
| 11:10.11 | Guerin | err |
| 11:10.17 | Guerin | the xen package is outdated |
| 11:10.23 | WireDDD | use qemu |
| 11:10.46 | Guerin | WireDDD: that's like telling someon who wants to build their own helicopter to go and buy a used corolla |
| 11:10.48 | yacko | how do i find out whats the /dev/hda? |
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| 11:11.12 | WireDDD | I could make a helicopter out of a used corolla |
| 11:11.32 | fireba11 | yacko: ? |
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| 11:11.44 | dpy | Guerin: but as you said, I don't have the expertise to update that package, and I might have the expertise to upgrade my system to kernel-2.6.11 +source from etch and then compile/build xen for sarge |
| 11:11.48 | dpy | !sdn |
| 11:11.49 | dpkg | methinks sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem. |
| 11:11.52 | fireba11 | WireDDD: cool .. will you do that for me if i get you one ? |
| 11:12.06 | yacko | fireba11 i want to add my fat parition |
| 11:12.15 | WireDDD | if you pay me $100 an hour.... |
| 11:12.24 | fireba11 | yacko: still your question doesn't make sense to me |
| 11:12.32 | Guerin | fireba11: heh, I was about to offer him the same, and $100,000 if he could do it |
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| 11:12.46 | Guerin | WireDDD: C.O.D mate |
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| 11:12.54 | WireDDD | lol |
| 11:12.56 | berzerka | yacko: cat /proc/ide/ide0/hda/model |
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| 11:13.21 | WireDDD | yea i'll get right on that Guerin |
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| 11:13.57 | JaMaL | how can i install g++ |
| 11:14.11 | WireDDD | right after I memorize the kernel source |
| 11:14.13 | jimjam | Whats the switch to reload the network interfaces file? |
| 11:14.14 | jimjam | ifup -a? |
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| 11:14.45 | Guerin | !b-e JaMaL |
| 11:14.45 | dpkg | JaMaL: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 11:15.04 | JaMaL | i did apt-get install g++ |
| 11:15.06 | Guerin | jimjam: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:15.14 | Guerin | jimjam: do what I told you. |
| 11:15.17 | JaMaL | but it gave me error about ef2sprogs |
| 11:15.19 | Guerin | JaMaL: |
| 11:15.29 | jimjam | hmm ok |
| 11:15.32 | Guerin | JaMaL: follow the instructions |
| 11:15.35 | jimjam | i just dont want it to drop and not come back |
| 11:15.46 | Guerin | jimjam: make sure your config is valid, then |
| 11:15.52 | jimjam | iotis :) |
| 11:15.52 | JaMaL | twag Guerin |
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| 11:15.59 | Guerin | !twag |
| 11:16.06 | Guerin | that's a new one |
| 11:16.09 | JaMaL | yes Guerin i'm all ears |
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| 11:16.48 | Guerin | JaMaL: it mentioned force-loopbreak. read man apt.conf and man apt-get until you figure it out |
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| 11:16.58 | yacko | damn PuGz sep anyone of you there |
| 11:17.02 | yacko | my X is not working |
| 11:17.08 | jimjam | Reconfiguring network interfaces.../etc/network/interfaces:49: duplicate interface |
| 11:17.12 | jimjam | but there isnt |
| 11:17.14 | Guerin | !tell yacko about set up x |
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| 11:17.42 | yacko | Guerin it was working .. after a reboot it is not working |
| 11:17.57 | WireDDD | what do I need to do to get gcc setup so I can compile software for an arm processor |
| 11:17.57 | Guerin | yacko: see: rebooting bad. |
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| 11:18.11 | Guerin | WireDDD: rtfm |
| 11:18.29 | Guerin | it's called 'cross-coompiling' and it's well documented |
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| 11:19.00 | WireDDD | the only thing I could find was that sandbox app |
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| 11:21.07 | bzk | yacko: i am sorry, my connection was interrupted. did i fully answer your question? |
| 11:21.20 | RainbowW | i have a sarge box where networking isn't coming up automatically for some reason. nic is an e100. /etc/modules.conf contains alias e100 eth0. what am i missing? why is it not starting at boot? |
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| 11:22.18 | nkuttler | RainbowW: what do you do to bring it up? ifup eth0? |
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| 11:22.29 | RainbowW | yes |
| 11:22.37 | bzk | yacko: ill just tell you again: cat /proc/ide/ide0/hda/model should tell you what your primary master ide device is. if its a disk and you want to find out which partitions it contains, create new ones and such, fdisk /dev/hda, then m for help or man fdisk. |
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| 11:24.08 | nkuttler | RainbowW: hm, i don't know e100s, but i have one card that needs hotplug to upload some firmware, maybe it's something similar |
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| 11:24.35 | RainbowW | hotplug is installed |
| 11:24.45 | nkuttler | RainbowW: hotplug is started after networking |
| 11:25.28 | yacko | GDM: Xserver now found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/ :0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 11:25.36 | yacko | error: commond could not be executed! |
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| 11:25.43 | yacko | please install the Xserver or edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to point to the right place |
| 11:26.07 | bzk | yacko: well, do so... |
| 11:26.39 | yacko | what must be the problem ... it was working fine befor i restarted |
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| 11:26.56 | bzk | yacko: do you have xorg installed? |
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| 11:27.11 | yacko | nop |
| 11:27.20 | yacko | dont know |
| 11:27.35 | bzk | yacko: dpkg -l | grep xorg |
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| 11:28.08 | yacko | dosnt show anything |
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| 11:28.12 | bzk | yacko: dpkg -l | grep xfree86 ? |
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| 11:28.31 | yacko | it shows |
| 11:28.40 | bzk | xserver-xfree86? |
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| 11:29.06 | yacko | ii xfree86-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 Xwindow system infrastructure |
| 11:29.18 | bzk | thats not enough.. |
| 11:29.27 | bzk | you need an x server. are you on testing? |
| 11:29.44 | bzk | or stable? |
| 11:30.04 | yacko | stable i guess |
| 11:30.04 | yacko | i am on amd64 |
| 11:30.11 | yacko | bzk it was working fine until i restarted |
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| 11:30.37 | bzk | yacko: well, you must have changed anything, things dont 'just break'.. |
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| 11:31.04 | yacko | i guess too ... |
| 11:31.07 | yacko | how do i fix it |
| 11:31.12 | yacko | any solution ? |
| 11:31.23 | berzerka | have you uninstalled any packages before restarting? |
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| 11:32.14 | yacko | no |
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| 11:32.29 | berzerka | ... did an update/upgrade? |
| 11:32.31 | yacko | i guess i did something with acpi |
| 11:32.36 | yacko | installed it i guess |
| 11:32.55 | berzerka | hmmm... should have nothing to do with X not working.. |
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| 11:33.17 | berzerka | gdm fails to start up? |
| 11:33.29 | yacko | yes |
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| 11:33.38 | berzerka | so you are on the console? |
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| 11:34.04 | berzerka | try executing 'startx'. |
| 11:34.07 | yacko | when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it says its broken or not fully installed |
| 11:34.15 | berzerka | oha! |
| 11:34.17 | Guerin | he's bound to have installed other shit which is relevant |
| 11:34.27 | yacko | yes |
| 11:34.34 | Guerin | yacko: aptitude install x-window-system |
| 11:34.40 | yacko | startx dosnt work |
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| 11:35.11 | yacko | its asking for download |
| 11:35.32 | yacko | but dosnt it keeps the files which it has already downloaded |
| 11:35.47 | JaMaL | what is uname -p stands for |
| 11:35.56 | yacko | last night only it was downloaded |
| 11:36.00 | yacko | and now again ? |
| 11:36.02 | Guerin | yacko: only if there aren't new ones |
| 11:36.06 | Guerin | JaMaL: man uname |
| 11:36.09 | berzerka | JaMaL: man uname tells you |
| 11:36.14 | snail | JaMaL: "man uname" |
| 11:36.23 | Guerin | heh |
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| 11:36.38 | snail | yacko: if you're running unstable there are new downloads EVERY day |
| 11:36.56 | berzerka | snail: he supposes hes running stable.. |
| 11:37.07 | yacko | damn is there no way to reconfigure it |
| 11:37.08 | Guerin | !flw4 |
| 11:37.09 | dpkg | [flw4] <Phated> compubomb: If you're told something three times, it's true. |
| 11:37.17 | yacko | its just downloading it again :( |
| 11:37.18 | Guerin | haha |
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| 11:37.24 | Guerin | yacko: just let it be |
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| 11:38.35 | JaMaL | gcc hurmed |
| 11:38.41 | yacko | its pain in the ars if you are on a slow internet connection |
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| 11:40.10 | JaMaL | how to forceloop |
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| 11:40.51 | Guerin | JaMaL: i already told you; man apt.conf; man apt-get |
| 11:40.55 | RainbowW | would stuffing an ifup eth0 into my boot sequence at least temporarily fix this issue? |
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| 11:41.10 | berzerka | yacko: indeed.. but me, for some time now, i have a local (100mbit) connection to a debian mirror here at my university.. its just great. |
| 11:41.17 | JaMaL | i read them but they want me to write a script :s |
| 11:41.22 | jimjam | u can leech iso all day |
| 11:41.40 | yacko | hehe lucky uoi berzerka |
| 11:41.49 | yacko | i have to download at 4-5kbps |
| 11:41.53 | jimjam | rofl |
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| 11:41.58 | berzerka | yacko: darn.. |
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| 11:42.10 | jimjam | full cd take me like 20 minutes |
| 11:42.13 | r3tex | where can i find old dmesg files? |
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| 11:42.20 | r3tex | er old bootup logs? |
| 11:42.25 | yacko | jimjam are you tell me ? |
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| 11:43.23 | fusspils | can anyone help me with a wireless driver problem please? |
| 11:43.37 | fgeek | just ask fusspils |
| 11:43.49 | fgeek | if someone knows he will answer |
| 11:43.57 | fusspils | I changed to unstable sources and upgraded now my wireless wont work |
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| 11:44.03 | fusspils | im using hostap drivers |
| 11:44.13 | fusspils | when I run iwconfig I get this error..... |
| 11:44.14 | JaMaL | i used --force-yes << and nothing |
| 11:44.16 | yacko | i also need to get my wifi working on my laptop |
| 11:44.23 | fusspils | Driver for device wifi0 recommend version 18 of Wireless Extension, |
| 11:44.24 | fusspils | but has been compiled with version 16, therefore some driver features |
| 11:44.24 | fusspils | may not be available... |
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| 11:44.31 | fusspils | any idea's? |
| 11:44.46 | petemc | fusspils: sounds like you need version 18, whereas you're using 16... |
| 11:44.59 | fusspils | how do I upgrade? |
| 11:45.05 | fusspils | hostap drivers |
| 11:45.08 | CrocoJet | one question: I am using "gedit", and exist in menu pulldown one option "search". One window will open and exist combo with old values used. How to clean that combo box ? |
| 11:45.31 | petemc | fusspils: i was being facetious... |
| 11:45.39 | fusspils | yeah got that |
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| 11:45.58 | fusspils | still need to know how to upgrade though |
| 11:46.56 | JaMaL | how to fix my gff |
| 11:47.00 | JaMaL | how to fix my gcc |
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| 11:47.41 | JaMaL | This is Eggdrop's GNU configure script. |
| 11:47.45 | JaMaL | It's going to run a bunch of tests to hopefully make your compile |
| 11:47.45 | JaMaL | work without much twiddling. |
| 11:47.45 | JaMaL | checking for gcc... gcc |
| 11:47.45 | JaMaL | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 11:47.45 | JaMaL | See `config.log' for more details. |
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| 11:48.18 | CrocoJet | after compile nvidia-kernel, can I remove gcc ? |
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| 11:48.35 | fusspils | shouldnt apt-get upgrade update my drivers? |
| 11:48.48 | tarzeau | in zsh it's =(ls) and in bash it's? |
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| 11:49.07 | berzerka | CrocoJet: NEVER remove gcc! but you could, of course, somehow... |
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| 11:49.21 | r3tex | JaMaL: gcc can't create executables |
| 11:49.26 | r3tex | that simple =) |
| 11:49.27 | CrocoJet | berzerka, oh ok |
| 11:49.34 | r3tex | is your /etc/make.conf weird? |
| 11:49.43 | r3tex | are your system links messed up? |
| 11:49.52 | JaMaL | i did ./configure and it didn't do a thing |
| 11:49.55 | r3tex | do you have diskspace? |
| 11:50.02 | r3tex | ./configure failed |
| 11:50.09 | r3tex | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
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| 11:50.15 | CrocoJet | well that is best channel about debian ... others ... trashs |
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| 11:50.38 | JaMaL | just gave me error uname -p = unknown |
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| 11:51.00 | r3tex | JaMaL: what are you trying to compile? |
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| 11:51.08 | JaMaL | eggdrop. |
| 11:51.23 | JaMaL | i did apt-get install gcc |
| 11:51.32 | pandrew | Hello. ./centericq: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - isn't it enaugh to have that file near the executable? |
| 11:51.35 | JaMaL | it did update but when i did apt-get install g++ |
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| 11:51.39 | JaMaL | it gave massive errors |
| 11:52.00 | r3tex | you didn't preinstall gcc? |
| 11:52.54 | JaMaL | r3tex: i can't update g++ or any other software always ask to forceloop |
| 11:53.01 | r3tex | eh? |
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| 11:53.24 | syntaxx | which is better to install when updating testing/unstable? |
| 11:53.36 | JaMaL | activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 11:53.55 | JaMaL | it always import e2fsprogs in all install or upgrade |
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| 11:54.21 | bob2 | JaMaL: upgrade to sarge |
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| 11:54.34 | JaMaL | i'm on sarage |
| 11:54.35 | bob2 | pandrew: a) centericq is in Debian,you should use it |
| 11:54.39 | JaMaL | i'm on sarge* |
| 11:54.39 | bob2 | JaMaL: no, you're not |
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| 11:54.51 | JaMaL | i'm |
| 11:54.58 | cheal | syntaxx: um...which what? |
| 11:55.03 | bob2 | JaMaL: perhaps you were using sarge at the beginning of the year and didn't update since |
| 11:55.12 | webfreak | when huh? |
| 11:55.14 | syntaxx | cheal, which is better to use when updating? |
| 11:55.18 | bob2 | pandrew: b) libssl0.9.7 - SSL shared libraries |
| 11:55.37 | JaMaL | well my sarge its 2005 installed for 6 months |
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| 11:56.16 | JaMaL | can't i force update |
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| 11:56.40 | syntaxx | cheal, like when im updating my nvidia drivers the debian way.. it says choose between testing/unstable |
| 11:56.58 | cheal | syntaxx: ah... |
| 11:57.01 | bob2 | JaMaL: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood |
| 11:57.03 | cheal | syntaxx: stable |
| 11:57.06 | cheal | !nvidia-howto |
| 11:57.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the NVIDIA DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Warning : follow the instructions with some care. in particular, if you don't know better, set NVDIST=stable instead of testing or unstable |
| 11:57.17 | pandrew | bob2: yes, but i don't have root access on the system where i want to put centericq, and i cant install it.... |
| 11:57.32 | as13 | why there was kernel-source-2.6.11 and now only 8? in debian.org repo |
| 11:57.39 | syntaxx | cheal, yeah but it has no stable version to choose from |
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| 11:57.53 | bob2 | pandrew: then you need to compile libssl, too |
| 11:58.02 | bob2 | pandrew: and then build centericq against it |
| 11:58.07 | bob2 | as13: linux-source... |
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| 11:58.43 | JaMaL | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Sarge_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20050423)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 11:58.49 | JaMaL | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Sarge_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20041030)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 11:58.49 | JaMaL | r3tex: thats my cds |
| 11:59.11 | caphuso | urgh |
| 11:59.19 | cheal | as13: in which release? |
| 11:59.25 | pandrew | bob2: right now i am building centericq on my own machine without ssl, (with a parameter to configure), but i am almost sure that it will need other libraries too, that are not present... |
| 11:59.26 | bob2 | JaMaL: time to upgrade to sarge then |
| 11:59.27 | as13 | bob2 and why only one kernel version remains, thanks? |
| 11:59.39 | bob2 | as13: I don't know what you mean |
| 11:59.43 | as13 | cheal: in sid |
| 11:59.46 | cheal | syntaxx: the howto is wrong. there's a stable version |
| 11:59.49 | bob2 | as13: but the kernel team regualrily throws out old kernels from sid |
| 11:59.57 | JaMaL | bob2: u can't read wear glasses they are sarge. |
| 12:00.01 | bob2 | pandrew: then you want to compile it statically, which may or may not work |
| 12:00.07 | caphuso | JaMaL: no, you can't read |
| 12:00.08 | bob2 | JaMaL: ... |
| 12:00.11 | syntaxx | cheal, ic.. hmm ill check it |
| 12:00.13 | cheal | as13: there's not only 8 in sid. 2.6.12 is there |
| 12:00.16 | bob2 | JaMaL: did you check the dates on those? |
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| 12:00.32 | pandrew | bob2 : how can i compile it statically? |
| 12:00.36 | JaMaL | yes 2005 04 23 |
| 12:00.39 | as13 | bob2: i mean just that, before there were a bunch of kernel versions |
| 12:00.39 | bob2 | pandrew: it depends on the application |
| 12:00.39 | caphuso | JaMaL: those are broken, useless, stupid pre-release development snapshot CDs |
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| 12:01.00 | JaMaL | how to force install |
| 12:01.00 | bob2 | pandrew: \./configure CFLAGS="-static"\ may work |
| 12:01.10 | syntaxx | cheal, what if i install testing.. can i install again for stable? |
| 12:01.13 | bob2 | JaMaL: use apt-setup to point apt at an internet mirror |
| 12:01.17 | bob2 | JaMaL: then dist-upgrade to sarge |
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| 12:01.27 | as13 | bob2: say 7 till 11 |
| 12:01.44 | as13 | cheal: i understood, thanks |
| 12:01.51 | JaMaL | i don't use the cds bob2 internet update |
| 12:02.04 | pandrew | bob2: ok, i'll try |
| 12:02.04 | bob2 | 21:57:01 bob2 | JaMaL: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood |
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| 12:02.13 | bob2 | JaMaL: I want those 5 minutes of my life back |
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| 12:04.03 | pandrew | bob2: ./configure --prefix=~/usr --disable-msn --disable-aim --disable-jabber --disable-gg --disable-lj --without-curl --disable-nsl --disable-rss CFLAGS="-static" |
| 12:04.03 | pandrew | configure: warning: CFLAGS=-static: invalid host type |
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| 12:04.34 | seeeS | doesnt the cflags go in front? |
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| 12:04.41 | bob2 | pandrew: at the begginning of the configure command |
| 12:04.44 | seeeS | CFLAGS=blah ./configure ... |
| 12:05.15 | bob2 | according to keybuk, the other way |
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| 12:05.34 | bob2 | JaMaL: yay for wasting our time |
| 12:05.45 | bob2 | JaMaL: apt is pointing at testing = eatch, not sarge |
| 12:05.46 | JaMaL | why silly bob2 |
| 12:05.55 | bob2 | JaMaL: point apt at sarge, dist-upgrade, then think about etch |
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| 12:06.20 | JaMaL | i guess debian sux if it got ppl like u don;t have time for newbies :) |
| 12:06.29 | JaMaL | thanks alot going to gentoo |
| 12:06.31 | bob2 | JaMaL: no, you were being an ass |
| 12:06.32 | Rydekull | JaMaL: he's telling you what |
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| 12:06.40 | bob2 | what a moron |
| 12:06.40 | Rydekull | gosh |
| 12:06.41 | Rydekull | oh well |
| 12:06.42 | ircops | hahaha |
| 12:06.45 | Rydekull | we wont miss that one :) |
| 12:06.59 | yacko | lol |
| 12:07.23 | bob2 | so, lying, refusing to paste config files, ignoring the given answer, claiming to move to gentoo |
| 12:07.26 | bob2 | that's 4 for 4 |
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| 12:07.40 | traumator | hey .. how dow i set my keyboard to french canadian legacy i have sarge and i use windowmaker |
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| 12:07.42 | RichiH | bob2: he won't make it half-way through the install guide :) |
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| 12:07.46 | bob2 | hah |
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| 12:08.04 | seeeS | it's just part of our evil plan, send people like that to gentoo! |
| 12:08.04 | RichiH | bob2: the install guide of gentoo is scary when compared to debian |
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| 12:08.30 | pinchartl | hi |
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| 12:08.46 | yacko | you cant install gentoo in one short :P |
| 12:09.04 | pandrew | bob2: is CFLAGS a run-time parameter? (set?) |
| 12:09.37 | bob2 | pandrew: no, a compile-time one |
| 12:09.39 | bob2 | RichiH: hah |
| 12:09.52 | strat | anyone with knowledge about setting up wireless under debian?? |
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| 12:09.59 | pinchartl | is there a tool to check for security issues on an installed debian distribution ? I'd like to know for which packages a security update is available. |
| 12:10.07 | RichiH | strat: sure |
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| 12:10.19 | kurumin | are brazilian people here? |
| 12:10.31 | pandrew | bob2: should it be ok this way? : ./configure CFLAGS="-static" --prefix=~/usr --disable-msn --disable-aim --disable-jabber --disable-gg --disable-lj --without-curl --disable-nsl --disable-rss |
| 12:10.45 | bob2 | pandrew: I'd think so |
| 12:10.47 | RichiH | !br |
| 12:10.48 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:10.52 | pandrew | bob2: because it doesn't work |
| 12:10.58 | bob2 | pinchartl: hm, there is, but I forget the name |
| 12:11.05 | pandrew | bob2: the same error as before |
| 12:11.10 | pinchartl | bob: thanks :-) |
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| 12:11.33 | bob2 | pinchartl: maybe in debianutils? |
| 12:11.35 | pandrew | bob2: configure: warning: CFLAGS=-static: invalid host type |
| 12:11.37 | kurumin | dpkg, thanks |
| 12:11.37 | dpkg | kurumin: that's ok |
| 12:11.38 | ircops | what's a good audio converter from w32codec to ogg or mp3? |
| 12:11.45 | strat | when i do iwconfig eth2..it can see my router and all..but i cant get it to connect to internet..how do i get debian to use the connection..ive used the network tools but that dosent work.. |
| 12:12.02 | pinchartl | I also don't understand why, when I apt-get upgrade -s, 39 packages are "kept back". how does apt decide not to upgrade a package ? |
| 12:12.02 | traumator | oh well |
| 12:12.07 | enyc | irco: err mplayer to make a wav file then use ogg123 etc. ? |
| 12:12.20 | ircops | enyc: mplayer... icky |
| 12:12.22 | enyc | oggenc even |
| 12:12.26 | pinchartl | bob2: I'll have a look |
| 12:12.27 | enyc | irco: well xine then ;-) ? |
| 12:12.30 | ircops | xine? |
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| 12:12.32 | ircops | hmmm |
| 12:12.35 | ircops | I have xine |
| 12:12.38 | ircops | I'll have to look into that |
| 12:12.42 | enyc | Im not sure.... |
| 12:12.51 | enyc | but I know you can use mplayer for scriptable convert of audio sort-of-thing |
| 12:12.55 | bob2 | pinchartl: that means apt *couldn't* upgrade those packages |
| 12:13.04 | enyc | [if you write the necessary wrapper or manually run nececssary commands] |
| 12:13.16 | cheal | syntaxx: yes, but...just install stable's |
| 12:13.41 | pinchartl | bob2: how do I find out why it can't ? |
| 12:13.51 | bob2 | pinchartl: try to upgrade them manually |
| 12:13.56 | bob2 | pinchartl: ie apt-get install whatever |
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| 12:14.04 | bob2 | pinchartl: or use aptitude, which shows you at a glance |
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| 12:17.03 | fsancho | hi all |
| 12:17.19 | romany | Having hard time installing Debian on HP ProLiant ML110. Googled it for a while but haven't found a solution. Netinstall does not see SATA drives (RAID-1) at all. :( |
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| 12:17.51 | fsancho | somebody knows how can i change a password from a script without prompting user? |
| 12:17.54 | Overand | romany: are you using sarge or etch? |
| 12:17.54 | pinchartl | bob2: upgrading the packages manually leads to other packages being installed, but with no error or warning. is that why apt keeps them back ? because the newer versions have extended dependencies that are not met ? |
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| 12:18.39 | bob2 | pinchartl: dist-upgrade will try to install new things to enable those sorts of upgrades |
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| 12:19.14 | pinchartl | bob2: is it the only difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade ? |
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| 12:19.44 | r3tex | hmm i keep getting the same problem |
| 12:19.52 | streuner | pinchartl: man apt-get |
| 12:19.55 | r3tex | my filesystem gets remounted read-only |
| 12:19.57 | pandrew | bob2: so it thinks that CFLAGS is some kind of host name.. does this mean that i won't work? |
| 12:19.58 | romany | overand: good question :) - i don't know. The thing is I am FreeBSD believer and now I want to give Debian a try. |
| 12:20.20 | Overand | romany: yeah |
| 12:20.26 | Overand | on my laptop, there was an issue with SATA |
| 12:20.38 | Overand | it's a matter of hte 'sarge' installer using a kernel that doesn't support said drive |
| 12:20.41 | pinchartl | streuner: sorry :-) |
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| 12:20.48 | r3tex | crap =( |
| 12:20.49 | Overand | you miiiight want to try debian-testing, romany, or 'debian etch' |
| 12:20.56 | Overand | but i'm just a quasi-noob |
| 12:21.00 | Overand | so don't take my word for it |
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| 12:22.09 | romany | overand: OK, thanks. I am going to look through it now |
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| 12:23.07 | bob2 | pinchartl: yes |
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| 12:23.20 | bob2 | pandrew: perhaps CFLAGS=blah ./con... |
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| 12:24.53 | streuner | pinchartl: option dist-upgrade tries to resolve such issues, upgrading from one branch to another in debian |
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| 12:25.18 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 12:25.53 | amorphix | can i use a usb mouse with debian linux? |
| 12:25.53 | romany | overand: I am eventually after a production quality server, so etch is not something I want to use, or is it? |
| 12:25.53 | bob2 | amorphix: of course |
| 12:25.53 | amorphix | cool |
| 12:25.56 | Spliffster_eatin | is there a reason why hdd read/write activity on an IDE drive can consume 100% cpu ? |
| 12:25.58 | streuner | amorphix: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 12:25.58 | amorphix | bob2: how about a cordless one? |
| 12:26.06 | amorphix | thanks streuner |
| 12:26.19 | Overand | romany: i would not suggest anyone use anything other than stable for a production server |
| 12:26.22 | Overand | !security it etch |
| 12:26.24 | Overand | er |
| 12:26.27 | Overand | !security in etch? |
| 12:26.27 | r3tex | how do i remount a mounted filesystem? |
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| 12:26.31 | Overand | hm. |
| 12:26.33 | bob2 | amorphix: your pc doesn't care how your mouse gets from the usb port to the ball |
| 12:26.42 | stereo | Spliffster_eatin: IDE does lots of stuff on the main CPU. If that is a problem, get scsi. |
| 12:26.42 | bob2 | Splioffster: because IDE is crap |
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| 12:26.51 | bob2 | Spliffster: in particular, you may not have dma enabled |
| 12:27.00 | Overand | someone else pick it up from here, explain security updates to romany, i'm nodding off at the keyboard |
| 12:27.01 | Spliffster | than you bob2, where can i get a laptop with scsi ? |
| 12:27.05 | amorphix | i see |
| 12:27.08 | Overand | afk, romany, g'luck. i think you'll probably like debian |
| 12:27.09 | enyc | spli: you probably wont ;-) |
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| 12:27.17 | stereo | a laptop with scsi might be a bit complicated to find |
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| 12:27.20 | Spliffster | bob2 hddparm tells me dma is enabled |
| 12:27.29 | streuner | amorphix: as you can see in the factoid - it doesn't use udev... |
| 12:27.34 | romany | overend: thanks and g'look to you too |
| 12:27.44 | amorphix | i recently purchased one of these ps2 to serial adaptors (to allow you to use a ps2 mouse in a serial port) but it doesnt work in any OS I've tried. |
| 12:27.46 | bob2 | Spliffster: IBM makes ones with SATA, which alleviate the issue somewhat |
| 12:27.46 | romany | grr look=luck |
| 12:28.06 | amorphix | streuner I think usb may be the best option then |
| 12:28.07 | bob2 | Spliffster: fiddling with hdparm options will probably help |
| 12:28.09 | bob2 | e.g. -c3 |
| 12:28.12 | Spliffster | hmmm, so i gonna throw this brand new thing away and buy an ibm :P |
| 12:28.14 | Mon | anyone knows why a nfs mount won't mount through livecd but does when i boot from HD? (i started portmap already) |
| 12:28.22 | streuner | amorphix: heh? |
| 12:28.30 | Spliffster | ok bob2, will see what i can do |
| 12:28.36 | streuner | amorphix: option for what? |
| 12:28.45 | bob2 | Mon: debian doesn't have a livecd |
| 12:28.54 | bob2 | Mon: perhaps you forgot you're in #debian instead of #ubuntu? |
| 12:29.02 | amorphix | streuner: at the moment I'm trying to use my ps2 mouse in a serial port with an adaptor but its not working, so maybe just going the usb route is better |
| 12:29.19 | Mon | bob2: no i didn't forget ;) but i can't imagine ubuntu screwed up NFS and i don't get an answer there |
| 12:29.24 | streuner | amorphix: no |
| 12:29.24 | Spliffster | bob2, fact is, that when hibernating this machine, the resume takes 2 times longer that when i reboot (and cached memmory is not saved) |
| 12:29.30 | Spliffster | that's strange isn't it ? |
| 12:29.33 | streuner | amorphix: use 'mdetect' |
| 12:29.44 | bob2 | Mon: if you can reproduce it on Debian, asking here is approriate |
| 12:29.49 | amorphix | i assumed you could just plug in the ps2 mouse into the adaptor in the serial port and then specify the serial port for the pointing device and thats it |
| 12:29.54 | amorphix | ok |
| 12:30.00 | bob2 | Spliffster: that sounds like you were using suspend2 on fedora and swsusp on debian |
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| 12:30.16 | Mon | bob2: nah that's a bit bureaucratic isn't it?... still pretty much the same distro's to me |
| 12:30.22 | Spliffster | suspend2 on sarge/testing |
| 12:30.24 | pinchartl | streuner: well, it's not a brack problem here (upgrading from 3.1r0/stable to 3.1r0/stable), but upgrading python with apt-get install python will install python2.3 while 2.1 was previously installed. I suppose that apt-get dist-upgrade also handles upgrades in the same branch where a newer package version requires an unmatched dependency |
| 12:30.29 | streuner | amorphix: mdetect shows you what you need as /dev/ttyS0-1 or the protocol itself |
| 12:30.37 | amorphix | cool |
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| 12:30.41 | bob2 | Mon: ... |
| 12:30.55 | Mon | bob2: actually it's sarge recenty upgraded to ubuntu. but that won't help me will it? ;) |
| 12:30.56 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
| 12:31.08 | Mon | or downgraded if you like... |
| 12:31.15 | romany | Is there a chance for me to get stable! Debian running on HP ProLiant ML110 with two SATA disks (RAID-1) |
| 12:31.24 | romany | any one, please? |
| 12:31.34 | bob2 | romany: please stop it |
| 12:31.35 | streuner | romany: did you read ig? |
| 12:31.39 | bob2 | romany: begging is really irritating |
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| 12:31.50 | bob2 | romany: what did google say? what did the debian-user list say? |
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| 12:31.58 | sep | romany, use the chroot install method |
| 12:31.58 | bob2 | romany: what did HP say? they use Debian to certify hardware |
| 12:33.26 | romany | bob2: sorry, didn't mean to upset somebody. HP only support RedHat and SUSE, goodle and lists did not really help. |
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| 12:33.47 | bob2 | romany: what was the subject of your post to debian-user? |
| 12:34.10 | romany | bob2: didn't post, just searched |
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| 12:34.37 | streuner | !ig |
| 12:34.37 | dpkg | well, ig is the install guide for stable: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for woody (oldstable): http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual |
| 12:34.56 | romany | bob2: found somebody's else post and that didn't help |
| 12:35.01 | sep | romany, why cant you chroot install ? |
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| 12:36.21 | romany | sep: will try that right now. This is my first Debian attempt. (Considering switching from FreeBSD) |
| 12:37.00 | slept | how can I find out which firmware I can use for a bios update, quitte told me to do so to get better acpi support for my laptop |
| 12:37.33 | sep | slept, the support webpage on the homepage of your laptop manufacurer |
| 12:37.36 | streuner | romany: there are more ways to install debian (not only d-i) |
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| 12:37.50 | streuner | romany: check out di |
| 12:37.52 | streuner | !di |
| 12:37.52 | dpkg | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
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| 12:38.28 | romany | streuner: right, I just went for the 'easiest'. thanks |
| 12:38.40 | sep | romany, http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html fyi |
| 12:38.55 | romany | sep:i am there - thank you! |
| 12:39.03 | Spliffster | bob2, sry to bug again, are you a bit familliar with ide and linux ? i am workin oin this problem for some time now and i haven't found usefull ressources on the net. the problem is that when copying files, pdflush locks up my system (100%cpu usage, sometimes for minutes) |
| 12:39.30 | bob2 | pdflush? |
| 12:39.33 | bob2 | what kernel is this? |
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| 12:40.07 | Spliffster | currently kernel 2.6.12.2 |
| 12:40.23 | Spliffster | but the same prob with 2.6.11.x and 2.6.13.x |
| 12:40.38 | Spliffster | and with the debian 2.4 kernel |
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| 12:40.51 | Fackamato | hoi! |
| 12:41.00 | Spliffster | sali! |
| 12:41.04 | Fackamato | how do I prevent a module from being loaded at boot? (it's loaded automatically) |
| 12:41.43 | seeeS | first find out why it is loaded, it could be mentioned in the modules file, in initrd or hotplugged |
| 12:41.44 | Overand | blacklist |
| 12:41.54 | Spliffster | Fackamato, AFAI have alook into /etc/modules.conf |
| 12:41.56 | Fackamato | something like blacklist would be nice |
| 12:42.01 | Fackamato | okay |
| 12:42.05 | Fackamato | it's the pc speaker module I don't want |
| 12:42.11 | seeeS | there is a blacklist, used with hotplug |
| 12:42.31 | cahoot | Fackamato: try /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 12:42.45 | Spliffster | Fackamato, /etc/modules that is, sry |
| 12:42.51 | stereo | Fackamato: have you got discover or something like that installed? |
| 12:43.02 | liable | and you can skip with discover.. |
| 12:43.18 | Fackamato | stereo I don't know, it's a default ubuntu breezy install |
| 12:43.25 | Overand | Fackamato: welcome to #debian |
| 12:43.26 | liable | ... |
| 12:43.29 | Overand | this is not #ubuntu |
| 12:43.49 | Fackamato | In this case it doesn't matter |
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| 12:44.06 | azeem | Fackamato: well, it might, Ubuntu changed that part a bit, AFAIK |
| 12:44.08 | Overand | Fackamato: if you know that answer so conclusively, why do you need our help? |
| 12:44.39 | Fackamato | Overand uhm, because I wanted to know how to make a module not load on boot, and I know that ubuntu and debian handles this the same way |
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| 12:45.04 | azeem | Fackamato: look into udev/hotplug blacklisting |
| 12:45.23 | stereo | lesson 1 of running ubuntu: if it's a debian problem, pretend you're running etch in #debian |
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| 12:45.32 | da_bon_bon | lol |
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| 12:45.44 | liable | Fackamato: you *know* debian and ubuntu handle it the same way, yet you dont know you have discover installed?.. |
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| 12:46.34 | Fackamato | liable I don't know what discover is?.... |
| 12:46.50 | bob2 | Fackamato: please don't do that again |
| 12:46.53 | bob2 | it's rude and stupid |
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| 12:47.27 | stereo | Fackamato: try typing dpkg -l discover |
| 12:47.29 | Spliffster | www.google.com?search?q=discover+debian |
| 12:47.38 | stereo | and paste whatever output it gives you here |
| 12:47.44 | da_bon_bon | Fackamato: apt-cache show discover |
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| 12:49.37 | strat | finally got my wireless working on debian..not quite sure what i did fixed it..found out in /et/cnetwork/interface it had my essid as debian..changed it and did ifup eth2 and rebooted and i had wireless..guess next time i install debian ill have to stumble around until i get wireless up.. |
| 12:50.43 | Fackamato | bob2 huh, do what |
| 12:50.46 | Fackamato | What did I do? |
| 12:51.00 | Fackamato | I've added some moduels to the blacklist |
| 12:51.05 | Fackamato | rebooting now to see if it works |
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| 12:54.29 | Fackamato | it stopped _some_ modules frmo loading, I'l check out that other file in /etc |
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| 12:55.31 | Guerin | Fackamato: we don't care. |
| 12:55.38 | Guerin | sorry |
| 12:55.58 | Guerin | people were suffering from the subtlety disease again; just thought I'd make it explicit |
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| 12:56.13 | Fackamato | Guerin sorry? I was helping you guys to help me |
| 12:56.23 | Fackamato | I thought that was appreciated, instead of acting like I didn't know shit. |
| 12:56.32 | Guerin | Fackamato: you're using ubuntu, no? |
| 12:56.55 | liable | Fackamato: help #ubuntu help you, they will love you for it.. |
| 12:57.10 | Fackamato | Racists. |
| 12:57.18 | Fackamato | Oh no! He's Ubuntu! Burn him! |
| 12:57.32 | liable | whats race got to do with it? |
| 12:57.41 | Fackamato | It was a joke? |
| 12:57.41 | asuffield | "niggas use ubuntu" |
| 12:57.44 | Fackamato | .... |
| 12:57.47 | Guerin | Fackamato: don't use the term racist idly, it's insulting to those of us who actually HAVE been discriminated against on racial grounds. |
| 12:58.09 | Fackamato | Guerin it's not to me, I'm sorry if I offended you, but lighten up, no harm done |
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| 12:58.21 | azeem | Fackamato: what is the issue with asking in #ubuntu? |
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| 12:58.38 | Guerin | Fackamato: fuck off to #ubuntu, svp. Not only are you not using debian, but you're using ubuntu unstable. |
| 12:58.59 | strat | man..i thought yahoo rooms were full of stupid drama..new to irc and see its just the same as yahoo..lol.. |
| 12:59.07 | abrotman | si vous plait ? |
| 12:59.15 | Guerin | abrotman: sil |
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| 12:59.18 | azeem | s'il |
| 12:59.28 | Guerin | true |
| 12:59.31 | abrotman | my french sucks! .. i haven't done any in 10 years ... i blame jethro |
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| 13:00.03 | RichiH | let's all blame jethro |
| 13:00.05 | sep | strat, see the user counter. imagine 747 yahoo kids in the same /room/ and see how much sense youd get out of it |
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| 13:00.13 | RichiH | !say i blame $randnick |
| 13:00.14 | dpkg | i blame $randnick |
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| 13:00.17 | RichiH | pft |
| 13:00.30 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:00.34 | abrotman | !blame jethro |
| 13:00.34 | Fackamato | azeem none. I find it sad that the people in here insult you, tell you to fuck off amongst other things when you try to get help, when you know they can certainly help you, but WILL NOT, because the distro has another label, but is built off the same system. |
| 13:00.39 | Fackamato | It's ridicilous, like Guerin. |
| 13:00.48 | asuffield | yeah, but unlike yahoo, most people on IRC have seen it all before and find it about as funny as a dead cat |
| 13:00.49 | abrotman | Fackamato: you're not using Debian .. this channel is to support Debian users |
| 13:00.53 | Guerin | Fackamato: just fuck off |
| 13:01.11 | Guerin | Fackamato: someone will eventually make you fuck off if you don't, this is just a heads-up |
| 13:01.15 | azeem | Fackamato: well, we have not enough resources to help people from other Debian derived distributions which have their own support channels like #knoppix, #kanotix or #ubuntu |
| 13:01.27 | azeem | Guerin: could you leave the fuck out, please? |
| 13:01.33 | asuffield | Fackamato: how much are you going to pay us when (not if) your problem turns out to be specific to ubuntu? |
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| 13:01.51 | abrotman | azeem: it's such a colorful fucking word :) |
| 13:01.55 | peetah | where can i download the latest sarge netinstall build? :) |
| 13:01.56 | sep | Fackamato, those users in here that also support (have any knowledge about) ubuntu, will be in the ubuntu channel also. i am not in the ubuntu channel since i have zero knowledge over it. it's just to avoid clutter and wasting the time of people who just dont know.. |
| 13:01.56 | Fackamato | asuffield trick question, it's not Ubuntu specific. |
| 13:02.00 | abrotman | !d-i peetah |
| 13:02.00 | Fackamato | Right. |
| 13:02.01 | dpkg | peetah, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 13:02.06 | Guerin | abrotman: again: the problem is that people were being too subtle, and he didn't get it. |
| 13:02.08 | asuffield | Fackamato: yeah, right. that's what they *all* say |
| 13:02.11 | Guerin | azeem: ^^^ |
| 13:02.17 | azeem | abrotman: I've nothing against fuck in general, but I hate it being directed at persons in here |
| 13:02.17 | Guerin | yay |
| 13:02.33 | ircops | Fuck myself |
| 13:02.35 | ircops | heh |
| 13:02.39 | abrotman | azeem: oh .. so i can use it .. just not directed at someone .. such as "Ubuntu is fucking shit!" |
| 13:02.45 | azeem | I'm sure he did a social experiment on us or something |
| 13:02.56 | azeem | abrotman: for example :) |
| 13:03.00 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:03.01 | peetah | thanks! :) |
| 13:03.11 | abrotman | peetah: you meant the sarge netinst .. not the daily right ? |
| 13:04.10 | positrix | whats the console equivalent of xev? |
| 13:04.23 | peetah | abrotman: just the netinst yes:) |
| 13:04.25 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:04.35 | slept | how can I find out which firmware I can use for a bios update my laptop, I looked on the hompage but they don't have information on that model anymore :( |
| 13:04.37 | abrotman | is there .. just an ev ? |
| 13:04.51 | abrotman | slept: how old is your laptop ? |
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| 13:05.25 | elirips | [OT]: I have an external usb-harddisk. i partitioned it using cfdisk. i created 3 partitions: 2 ext3, and at the end a fat32. in linux everything works great. if i attach the harddisk to a win2k computer, i can 'map a drive letter' to the fat32 partition. in winxp the entry 'map drive letter' is only gray - any ideas why win doesn't recognize it? |
| 13:05.41 | positrix | abrotman: no. |
| 13:06.05 | abrotman | positrix: maybe .. uhm . tail out the device in /dev/ .. though i don't know which it would be |
| 13:06.16 | erika___ | Hi! I use gdm. Could anybody tell me how can i add a window manager to it? (to be able to choose it). |
| 13:06.18 | dpy | does anyone know why I get a 403 forbidden on SDN ? |
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| 13:06.25 | as13 | how can it be theres a package installed that depends on others package which is not, and theres no dependency problems reported? on sid |
| 13:06.29 | slept | abrotman, I don't know excactly it's PIII and was deliverd with win-me , maybe 3 years. I got it today without any manual or datasheet |
| 13:06.36 | strat | anyone installed etch and were able to get nvidia drivers working..works on sarge but on etch it errors out when trying to compile? |
| 13:06.38 | abrotman | as13: fine here |
| 13:06.43 | liable | azeem: heh, you can get banned from #ubuntu for that. :) |
| 13:06.54 | abrotman | slept: it's a brand name ? |
| 13:07.04 | slept | gericom |
| 13:07.11 | abrotman | that's a brand name ? |
| 13:07.18 | azeem | liable: I'm no regular there, and thought'd be funny |
| 13:07.22 | seeeS | elirips: quite often windows will only see one partition |
| 13:07.24 | azeem | but yeah... |
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| 13:07.38 | liable | azeem: i thought it was anyway.. :P |
| 13:07.41 | as13 | how to install all such missing dependencies then? |
| 13:07.48 | amphi_ | slept: anything on linux-laptop.net ? |
| 13:07.55 | slept | abrotman, yes |
| 13:08.05 | abrotman | slept: all i can say is to call thier support people |
| 13:08.36 | elirips | seeeS: windows disk management shows me all three partitions (win2k and xp), both recognize that the last partition is FAT32, in win2k i can click map a drive letter, in winxp this entry is just grey. and as i cannot click it i dont get any hints what might be the problem.. ah damn. :( |
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| 13:08.52 | liable | azeem: i am surprised you didnt get the coc thrown at you, i idle there and quite often swear in the wrong window, and hence get the code of conduct thrown at me.. |
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| 13:09.28 | Guerin | liable: banned from #ubuntu for what? |
| 13:09.32 | Guerin | swearing? |
| 13:09.48 | Guerin | i've been warned a few times, just because I sometimes forget myself |
| 13:10.16 | liable | Guerin: never been banned, but been told off, on nu,erous occasions, generally for using the wrong window. |
| 13:10.19 | as13 | so its because of package name change... |
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| 13:10.47 | pureone | i was banned from #ubuntu for asking for help with debian sarge :( |
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| 13:10.58 | slept | amphi_, sarge works nice , but I need a biosupdate for better acpi support |
| 13:11.03 | liable | hah, thats a nice change.. |
| 13:11.05 | Guerin | pureone: see, there's an idea |
| 13:11.16 | liable | why dont we do that? |
| 13:11.22 | abrotman | slept: you're going to have to contact them |
| 13:11.27 | abrotman | liable: because the DDs said that's rude |
| 13:11.33 | liable | meh |
| 13:11.35 | Guerin | it's not always justified |
| 13:11.47 | Guerin | most people do the right thing when told what the right thing is |
| 13:11.48 | abrotman | i can see if it's an honest mistake .. but that guy was a royal dick |
| 13:12.04 | Guerin | some people don't take hints well, and have to be brute-forced |
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| 13:12.41 | azeem | I still think people asking for help on derived distributions should get ignored, or be helped if anyone cares. When they repeat the question, tell them they'll get more help in their respective chan |
| 13:12.45 | azeem | but that's just me |
| 13:13.17 | abrotman | yes .. but then you get "HELP YOU FUXXORS .. I USE DEBIAN CALLED UBUNTU@!!!" |
| 13:13.41 | azeem | well, /kick them then |
| 13:13.45 | liable | hah |
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| 13:13.53 | abrotman | azeem: good luck finding an op to do that |
| 13:14.06 | liable | !give abrotman ops |
| 13:14.07 | dpkg | give abrotman ops |
| 13:14.10 | Guerin | yeah, kick |
| 13:14.12 | liable | meh.,,, |
| 13:14.18 | dpy | Failed to fetch http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/06/18/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.11/kernel-source-2.6.11_2.6.11-7_all.deb 403 Forbidden |
| 13:14.18 | Guerin | but we'd need twice the ops for that |
| 13:14.19 | asg | smite first, then kick |
| 13:14.22 | dpy | how do I fix this |
| 13:14.27 | Guerin | and some in timezones other than europe and US |
| 13:14.27 | abrotman | dpy: oh .. snapshot .. |
| 13:14.38 | abrotman | i thought he meant security.d.n |
| 13:14.45 | dpy | oh no |
| 13:14.47 | abrotman | Guerin: there are |
| 13:14.48 | Guerin | bob is the only one outside those timezones, aiui |
| 13:14.57 | Guerin | abrotman: oh, and tml |
| 13:15.01 | abrotman | who? :) |
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| 13:15.06 | azeem | Guerin: well, only kick them if they become rude, repeatedly restate their off-topic question or otherwise violate the netiquette (all-caps etc.) |
| 13:15.17 | Guerin | azeem: right. |
| 13:15.21 | abrotman | azeem: but noone is around to do the kicking .. you're missing the point |
| 13:15.29 | azeem | abrotman: yeah, yeah |
| 13:15.30 | dpy | Guerin: you pointed me to snapshot.d.n, how do I use it, I only get 403 errors |
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| 13:15.46 | Guerin | 403 is forbidden? |
| 13:15.50 | dpy | yep |
| 13:15.52 | Guerin | that's weird |
| 13:15.59 | azeem | dpy: parts of the archive are lost, you get 403's on those |
| 13:16.07 | Guerin | must be some fuckup at their end, or you've not set your sources up right |
| 13:16.10 | Guerin | oh |
| 13:16.11 | abrotman | azeem: that part should be there |
| 13:16.14 | azeem | or something |
| 13:16.16 | azeem | I got 403' from mid-July 2005 on |
| 13:16.20 | azeem | early July works |
| 13:16.24 | abrotman | azeem: iirc .. they lost 2002 stuff |
| 13:16.24 | Guerin | i might have 2.6.11 source around someplace |
| 13:16.26 | brosio | i've install debian |
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| 13:16.31 | azeem | abrotman: much more I thought |
| 13:16.32 | dpy | Guerin: I used the sources line from this page: http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi |
| 13:16.40 | dpy | it gave me: deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 13:16.41 | dpy | deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool kernel-source-2.6.11 |
| 13:16.49 | azeem | may lost 2004/02/27 - 2005/03/12 |
| 13:16.53 | dpy | I get 403 errors if I do apt-get update afterwards |
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| 13:17.00 | azeem | however, yeah, dunno about those 403 |
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| 13:17.24 | azeem | dpy: you have to give it a specific date I thought |
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| 13:17.35 | grr | rI'm installing som new packages, and suddenly I have to configure xserver-org, I can choose between xserver-xfree86 and xserver-xorg, any recommodations? |
| 13:17.54 | azeem | grr: try xorg first, I'd say |
| 13:17.58 | abrotman | grr: xorg is the way forward |
| 13:18.14 | liable | i thought you didnt have a choice any more? |
| 13:18.17 | nkuttler | azeem: not necessarily, package version should work too |
| 13:18.25 | abrotman | liable: maybe in etch still ? |
| 13:18.25 | azeem | nkuttler: I see, cool |
| 13:18.48 | grr | okay, I'll go for xorg then :-) thanx |
| 13:19.04 | brosio | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 13:19.04 | brosio | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 13:19.06 | brosio | i get this |
| 13:19.10 | brosio | after i had |
| 13:19.13 | brosio | add |
| 13:19.26 | brosio | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main |
| 13:19.27 | liable | !tell brosio about apt secure |
| 13:19.39 | liable | brosio: read his page and get the key |
| 13:19.40 | Guerin | dpy: ftp://hell.feayn.org/kernel/kernel-source-2.6.11.tar.bz2 |
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| 13:20.09 | Guerin | dpy: i just happened to have the original tarball sitting in /usr/src |
| 13:20.20 | Guerin | dpy: check the md5 if you don't believe me :) |
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| 13:20.24 | alchem | !tell alchem about apt secure |
| 13:20.41 | S4nD3r | Does anybody know a good project manager to recommend ?? |
| 13:20.54 | Guerin | S4nD3r: context? |
| 13:20.56 | brosio | liable, i need to install apt from experimental ? :\ |
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| 13:21.13 | liable | brosio: eh? |
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| 13:21.14 | bibe | hi all. I am looking for an howto on using transparency on x.org for etch and/or sid, I only could find something involving x.org compilation... any suggestions? |
| 13:21.18 | Guerin | S4nD3r: what does 'project manager' mean to you? I know a few, but their hourly rates are pretty high... |
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| 13:21.46 | ircops | project manager means $$$ to me |
| 13:21.46 | Guerin | bibe: you need a composite manager and transset, neither of which are in debian |
| 13:21.56 | Guerin | ircops: me too |
| 13:22.01 | Guerin | ircops: generally wasted |
| 13:22.19 | xwolf | S4nD3r: planner maybe? |
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| 13:23.11 | dpy | I get forbidden errors on: snapshot.debian.org: 2005/06/18 |
| 13:23.15 | dpy | anyone ? |
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| 13:23.30 | dpy | this is after the date range I just saw in this channel |
| 13:23.42 | bibe | Guerin : in fact, I was looking for those utilities with apt-file search, but no results. Does it mean that composite and transset support aren't compiled into debian x.org packages? |
| 13:23.59 | Guerin | dpy: if you just need the kernel source, I gave you a url above |
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| 13:24.03 | brosio | how can i use alsa modules for my audio device instead of oss ? my debian sarge load always oss modules during the boot |
| 13:24.11 | Guerin | bibe: they're separate programs |
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| 13:24.28 | S4nD3r | xwolf, thanks |
| 13:24.29 | liable | brosio: install alsa-base |
| 13:24.30 | Guerin | bibe: if you grab the source from upstream or ubuntu or somewhere, it might work |
| 13:24.46 | bibe | Guerin : thank you, I'll try. |
| 13:24.50 | Guerin | bibe: you'd have to build it yourself, and it won't be supportable by us, but them's the breaks |
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| 13:25.03 | abrotman | bibe: they are not .. and i'm not sure ubuntu has them either |
| 13:25.08 | Guerin | !blacklist |
| 13:25.08 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 13:25.12 | Guerin | brosio: ^^^ |
| 13:25.12 | brosio | liable, only install a package ? |
| 13:25.13 | abrotman | bibe: erm .. wait ... |
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| 13:25.34 | abrotman | bibe: try reading gravityboy's blog |
| 13:25.41 | brosio | ok i'll try |
| 13:25.46 | abrotman | bibe: http://www.livejournal.com/users/gravityboy/ |
| 13:25.49 | liable | brosio: it blacklists your oss modules, and you need it for alsa... |
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| 13:26.07 | bibe | abrotman : thank you |
| 13:26.11 | brosio | liable, and it do it automactly ? |
| 13:26.18 | liable | brosio: yes |
| 13:26.21 | brosio | or i need to put oss modules on my blacklist |
| 13:26.22 | brosio | ok |
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| 13:26.24 | abrotman | bibe: see Aug 3rd |
| 13:26.24 | brosio | thx |
| 13:26.26 | Mortalman | Is it possible to create a "windows domain" server in linux ? |
| 13:26.32 | Guerin | brosio: no, you need to put them in yourself |
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| 13:26.54 | brosio | eheh who have reason ? :D |
| 13:27.00 | DogWater | Uhhh, why does debian prompt you for a password for single user mode? |
| 13:27.11 | abrotman | uh .. because it's supposed to ? |
| 13:27.11 | Guerin | dpy: because it'd be insane not to? |
| 13:27.15 | Guerin | DogWater: |
| 13:27.17 | DogWater | thats kind of the point |
| 13:27.18 | DogWater | of it |
| 13:27.35 | Mortalman | DogWater: So anyone walking up to your PC doesn't have root access without the password. |
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| 13:27.37 | abrotman | no .. you're thinking init=/bin/sh iirc |
| 13:27.41 | Guerin | DogWater: do YOU want J. Random Luser to come and boot your machine into single and gain root without a password? |
| 13:27.43 | Gathond | DogWater: no its not the point of it, the point of it is to ensure only one user is logged in and no daemons are running |
| 13:27.49 | Guerin | DogWater: no, it's not. You're wrong. |
| 13:28.00 | DogWater | yeah, so every other linux distro is wrong, but debian is right.. |
| 13:28.01 | DogWater | ok i see |
| 13:28.12 | Mortalman | You leanr quickly. |
| 13:28.13 | DogWater | yea |
| 13:28.15 | Guerin | DogWater: not all other distros do it your way. |
| 13:28.17 | Mortalman | learn, even |
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| 13:28.32 | Guerin | DogWater: in fact: no SANE unices do it your way. |
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| 13:29.06 | r3tr0 | anyone else running into all sorts of X de-happification in sid? |
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| 13:29.26 | Gathond | however as for what level of protection it adds if people have physical already is another matter, it should at least signal people to go get the administrator and not just try something on their own |
| 13:29.30 | Guerin | (that said - it's not rocket science to bypass the root pass check in debian or anything else if you have local access) |
| 13:29.34 | syntaxx | im using xdm, is it possible to change the login boot or are there any theme for it? |
| 13:29.38 | Mortalman | r3tr0: Well, it's sid. It's kinda expected. |
| 13:29.57 | abrotman | syntaxx: xdm is pretty much .. xdm |
| 13:30.08 | Guerin | syntaxx: it's configurable using xresources, but you might consider gdm or kdm for great shiny justice |
| 13:30.16 | liable | syntaxx: try another ?dm |
| 13:30.39 | r3tr0 | Mortalman: i realize that... i just haven't had all of X go unusable on me... thought it might be related to the security updates a few weeks back... |
| 13:30.49 | pandrew | syntaxx : gdm, kdm, ... |
| 13:31.02 | Guerin | r3tr0: sid doesn't get security updates |
| 13:31.13 | Mortalman | syntaxx: xdm can be made to look very pleaseing with a little effort. I persoanly hate kdm and gdm. |
| 13:31.15 | syntaxx | ok.. so ill apt-get remove xdm then apt-get install gdm? or is there other way to overwrite xdm and change it to gdm? |
| 13:31.31 | r3tr0 | Guerin: i'm taking the updates from testing... |
| 13:31.49 | stew | syntaxx: "apt-get install gdm xdm-" |
| 13:31.54 | r3tr0 | or is that major boneheadery? |
| 13:32.02 | syntaxx | Mortalman, i see do u know any site to make it pleasing? |
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| 13:32.07 | abrotman | syntaxx: you can just install gdm along side xdm |
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| 13:32.21 | liable | Mortalman: you actually make an effort to make xdm nice, when you spend about 10 seconds in it? |
| 13:32.21 | syntaxx | abrotman, ok |
| 13:32.38 | syntaxx | thanks |
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| 13:33.19 | pandrew | syntaxx : /etc/x11/default-display-manager contains the name of the executable. You don't need to remove xdm. |
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| 13:33.35 | abrotman | pandrew: when he installs gdm .. it should ask him which one he'd like to use |
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| 13:34.09 | Mortalman | liable: I have machine's that sit at xdm for quite some time before anyone logs in. |
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| 13:34.27 | abrotman | and they obviously sit there and admire your XDM :) |
| 13:34.28 | r3tr0 | so, i'm getting "xinit: Server error.", on startx... i vow before you i have not changed my XF86Config |
| 13:34.41 | abrotman | that's nto much of an error |
| 13:34.49 | liable | Mortalman: oh, fair nough. |
| 13:34.56 | r3tr0 | that's what i said. |
| 13:35.07 | DogWater | Ok, so how do i change the root password via this method? |
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| 13:35.12 | mbpillai | how to change console settings (locale) |
| 13:35.16 | DogWater | it says the authentication is locked |
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| 13:35.27 | DogWater | they forgot what they changed it to |
| 13:35.28 | r3tr0 | strace isn't spitting back anything obvious, and i've tried running startx as root - same thing. |
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| 13:35.45 | Mortalman | syntaxx: There aren't many. Let me reboot and I'll tar what I have for you to use as an example. I'll even throw in comments. hehe |
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| 13:36.09 | pandrew | Mortalman: i think xdm is perfect for machines with tens of users, but sometimes on machines with only a couple of users it is easyer to have a userlist somewhere. |
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| 13:36.26 | syntaxx | ok Mortalman.. ill w8 |
| 13:36.29 | pandrew | Mortalman : i would prefer something between kdm and xdm. |
| 13:36.52 | abrotman | pdm! |
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| 13:37.01 | pandrew | something that has a list, but doesn't use too much system resources |
| 13:37.14 | abrotman | !dm |
| 13:37.14 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 13:37.23 | Mortalman | brb |
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| 13:37.46 | DogWater | I'll mark this down as "recommend upgrade to rhel4" |
| 13:37.50 | DogWater | and reformat it, lol |
| 13:37.50 | r3tr0 | okay, thanks for thi input |
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| 13:37.56 | random_user324 | is erlang not stable on debian.. because when i try to apt-get it.. its not there |
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| 13:38.10 | Guerin | DogWater: just because you're too weak to change it? |
| 13:38.32 | Guerin | and RHEL4 requires no root pass for single user?!!!?!1/11/3 |
| 13:38.36 | DogWater | Guerin: apparently you have to login to another server, and copy the root password from one box to another, or use a live cd in order to do it. |
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| 13:38.46 | DogWater | thats ridiculously inefficent |
| 13:38.47 | Guerin | DogWater: nope. |
| 13:38.48 | Gathond | DogWater: bull |
| 13:38.50 | abrotman | in order to do what ? |
| 13:38.52 | DogWater | i dont have time to mess with that |
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| 13:38.54 | Guerin | !ifrp |
| 13:38.54 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 13:38.56 | Gathond | DogWater: boot the kernel using init=/bin/bash |
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| 13:39.02 | Guerin | DogWater: you're stupid, and you lose. |
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| 13:39.26 | abrotman | didn't we already cover the init=/bin/sh thing .. |
| 13:39.26 | stew | DogWater: ineffiient? you think you should have an efficient way of replacing root's password when you don't know it? |
| 13:39.29 | abrotman | like .. 15 minutes ago |
| 13:39.45 | random_user324 | how do i search for a pckage on packages.debian.org (since it seems the search engine is down) |
| 13:39.48 | Guerin | who the FUCK forgets root's password? |
| 13:39.54 | abrotman | !tell random_user324 about search |
| 13:39.57 | r3tr0 | coffee, people |
| 13:39.59 | liable | random_user324: ask dpkg |
| 13:40.03 | abrotman | Guerin: we forgot root on an ATT UnixPC machine :) |
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| 13:40.14 | abrotman | we though it was "beer" .. but oh well |
| 13:40.14 | Guerin | abrotman: you suck. |
| 13:40.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:40.20 | stereo | Guerin: let me tell you a story |
| 13:40.28 | abrotman | Guerin: ffs .. it was monochrome .. and from .. 1988 or some crap |
| 13:40.35 | Guerin | stereo: do I get free joints and chocolate? |
| 13:40.51 | syntaxx | nice conversation |
| 13:40.54 | azeem | random_user324: it looks up to me |
| 13:40.55 | stereo | yes |
| 13:40.56 | syntaxx | hehe |
| 13:41.01 | Guerin | stereo: sweet! |
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| 13:41.11 | abrotman | dude! |
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| 13:41.17 | DogWater | And supposedly that is more secure than having no password on single user? |
| 13:41.27 | random_user324 | apt-cache search only searches my apt sources.. which are all stable.. i want to search all |
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| 13:41.32 | stereo | it was december 1999 and my friend kewl (whois kewl) and his colleagues were all called at 10 pm to make sure all the servers in the company's data centre had been upgraded to pass y2k |
| 13:41.34 | Guerin | DogWater: yes, because it stops fuckwits like you from changing it. |
| 13:41.40 | abrotman | DogWater: you can disable what we told you regarding init=/bin/sh |
| 13:41.49 | stereo | of course, my friends had already emailed the entire company back in may to make sure |
| 13:41.52 | Guerin | DogWater: it raises tha bar to "only the top 80% of unix admins can do it" |
| 13:41.55 | stew | random_user324: packages.debian.org |
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| 13:42.01 | liable | random_user324: ask dpkg, the bot... /msg dpkg foo.package... |
| 13:42.04 | stereo | and, of course, nobody had checked the main web server |
| 13:42.22 | azeem | random_user324: well, I'd be interested why you think packages.d.o does not work |
| 13:42.24 | random_user324 | ah.. i was clicking the search button in the corner |
| 13:42.25 | DogWater | Guerin: Yeah, i'm a fuckwit I only manage 2200 servers |
| 13:42.34 | abrotman | !punish random_user324 |
| 13:42.35 | Guerin | *pheeer* |
| 13:42.47 | abrotman | DogWater: that doesn't make you smart .. just lucky |
| 13:42.50 | DogWater | although admittedly almost none of them are debian, since the user gets to choose which os they want |
| 13:42.53 | stereo | and, of course, they didn't know the root password |
| 13:43.05 | DogWater | maybe 1 or 2 |
| 13:43.07 | random_user324 | you see a search button. u just have to press it if u need to do a search |
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| 13:43.24 | abrotman | DogWater: so you have .. 2198 windows boxes? |
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| 13:43.37 | azeem | random_user324: hrm, maybe that should get removed for the time being, yeah |
| 13:43.38 | abrotman | random_user324: u is not a word in the english language |
| 13:43.39 | burli | Dumb questions allowed in this channel? |
| 13:43.44 | DogWater | freebsd, gentoo, centos, fedora, rhel, suse |
| 13:43.45 | abrotman | burli: ask |
| 13:43.48 | azeem | random_user324: you could file a bug on www.debian.org about it :) (severity minor) |
| 13:43.51 | stereo | well if you're not interested in my story... *sheesh* |
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| 13:44.08 | positrix | stereo i was listening dammit |
| 13:44.14 | stereo | ok, ok |
| 13:44.26 | random_user324 | abrotman: it probably will be soon |
| 13:44.28 | stereo | now this wasn't a small web server, and it wasn't easy to mirror |
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| 13:44.33 | Turicas | hello..i want to extract audio (and save as .wav or .mp3) from a video..what program i have to use? |
| 13:44.34 | DogWater | but uh, whatever |
| 13:44.39 | colera | dpkg is very violent today |
| 13:44.44 | Pryon | xine |
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| 13:45.08 | liable | !kill colera |
| 13:45.14 | Guerin | Turicas: mplayer -dump* |
| 13:45.21 | abrotman | why didn't he just tell us he forgot root's password instead of bitching about single user mode |
| 13:45.33 | Mortalman | lol, right. |
| 13:45.33 | stereo | this was a media-over-satellite company in Luxembourg, their stuff was just becoming affordable for the masses who were buying the stuff for christmas and their website was getting hammered |
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| 13:45.54 | Guerin | stereo: heh, your story is STILL going |
| 13:45.57 | nvz | just shoot me :P |
| 13:45.57 | burli | I've installed openoffice.org 1.1.3-9 with apt. I'm missing OpenOffice.org "BASE", the "happy-fancy-gui" database editor. All other apps are available. Does this debian package really contain the database application? |
| 13:46.08 | stereo | Guerin: grab a joint and listen to the story, ok? |
| 13:46.21 | azeem | burli: hrm, maybe not |
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| 13:46.34 | azeem | burli: OOo2 supposedly has a base component, not sure about OOo1 |
| 13:46.43 | Turicas | Guerin, how i can use it? |
| 13:46.44 | azeem | burli: Did you see that in OOo or StarOffice? |
| 13:47.08 | random_user324 | ok so i found the package i want to install.. its in testing... all my sources are stable and i dont really want to add testing to my system (other than erlang).. how would i go about installing that app alone |
| 13:47.09 | Guerin | Turicas: man mplayer - look for -dumpaudio and -dumpfile and -dumpstream |
| 13:47.12 | stereo | so my friends start phoning across the country, the continent, the globe, for hours, trying to locate a web developer who'd know the password |
| 13:47.16 | bcc | hey guys, how can i switch X deisplay above :8 ? |
| 13:47.26 | azeem | random_user324: which app? |
| 13:47.30 | bcc | that's F12, but i got one running on 9 adn i can't get to it |
| 13:47.32 | random_user324 | azeem: erlang |
| 13:47.38 | azeem | ah :) |
| 13:47.41 | Turicas | Guerin, tkz :) |
| 13:47.45 | Mortalman | syntaxx: adding comments. |
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| 13:47.48 | stew | bcc: chvt number |
| 13:47.59 | syntaxx | Mortalman, sure where can i check it? |
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| 13:48.01 | azeem | random_user324: well you could see whether the testing version installs fine |
| 13:48.02 | bcc | thanks |
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| 13:48.24 | azeem | random_user324: if not, you will have to look around for backports or backport it yourself |
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| 13:48.33 | yuggly | simple question... how do I change the default session type from gnome? |
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| 13:48.42 | random_user324 | azeem: how would i install it since its in testing and all my sources are stable |
| 13:48.58 | azeem | random_user324: you could inspect its Dependencies, and install those with apt-get frst |
| 13:48.59 | burli | azeem: what's OOo? |
| 13:49.01 | azeem | first |
| 13:49.05 | nvz | yuggly: there is only one session type in gnome, gnome-session. Perhaps you mean GDM, and you would use the Session menu |
| 13:49.07 | azeem | burli: OpenOffice.org |
| 13:49.19 | stereo | one of the NOC people accidentally bumped into one of the devs in Paris or something. I can't remember. Anyway, they found a web dev after hours of searching, at 11:30 pm, by sheer luck |
| 13:49.22 | azeem | random_user324: then, download the testing .deb and install it with dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 13:49.36 | random_user324 | azeem: ok.. that sounds like a winner :-) |
| 13:49.45 | random_user324 | azeem: thank you |
| 13:49.46 | stereo | the root password turned out to be longnightinbetzdorf, betzdorf being the place where the NOC was located |
| 13:49.51 | azeem | cheers |
| 13:50.08 | stereo | that's my story. Go do your apt-get dist-upgrade now. |
| 13:50.19 | Guerin | !beer stereo |
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| 13:50.28 | yuggly | nvz let me rephrase then |
| 13:50.34 | Guerin | heh, that is a good one |
| 13:50.36 | burli | azeem: according to their webpage, it should be built in non V2 OOo |
| 13:50.47 | yuggly | I do not want default window manger to be gnome |
| 13:50.49 | azeem | burli: ok |
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| 13:51.06 | nvz | yuggly: thats not a problem there is no window manager called gnome |
| 13:51.11 | yuggly | how or where do I change this? |
| 13:51.21 | azeem | yuggly: in GDM? |
| 13:51.33 | yuggly | when xserver starts it opens gnome |
| 13:51.35 | nvz | yuggly: gnome is GNU Network Object Model Environment IIRC |
| 13:51.42 | yuggly | I do not like gnome |
| 13:52.01 | azeem | man, who maintains this !beer thing? |
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| 13:52.10 | azeem | s/Optimater/Optimator/ |
| 13:52.13 | nvz | yuggly: if you do not use a Display Manager then its probably set in ~/.xsession or such |
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| 13:52.25 | azeem | all the Starkbiers end on -itor |
| 13:52.33 | azeem | eh, or -ator :) |
| 13:52.35 | yuggly | I start x from console |
| 13:52.52 | yuggly | is there an option for the command ? |
| 13:52.55 | dorto | how to enable perl-mod support in apache(debian sarge)? |
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| 13:53.01 | tpr | where would apt-get install openssl put the freakin ssl libs?? :< |
| 13:53.08 | Guerin | dorto: install libapache-mod-perl |
| 13:53.13 | nvz | yuggly: then its reading a configuration file. |
| 13:53.15 | azeem | tpr: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 13:53.18 | Yopyop | hello, anyone knows if its possible to get the package tomcat4 working or i have to install it by hand ? |
| 13:53.22 | Guerin | tpr: in /usr/lib |
| 13:53.23 | azeem | tpr: well, the .debs |
| 13:53.32 | nvz | yuggly: you can put user configurations for the X session in ~/.xsession |
| 13:53.34 | stew | azeem: i've mentioned that misspelling a couple times to no avail |
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| 13:53.45 | stew | azeem: and the factoid is locked |
| 13:53.46 | burli | azeem: what do you suggest? I actually do hesitate to build OOo from source, as I expect trouble... (too much different stuff to compile, everything has to match). And using the OOo2 deb package I dislike too, as it is experimental... |
| 13:53.51 | azeem | stew: pfft |
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| 13:54.05 | azeem | burli: not much you can do there |
| 13:54.15 | yuggly | will look into that, thx |
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| 13:54.29 | Guerin | burli: try the upstreamm packages - they're probably more broken than the ones in exp, but they install entirely to /opt, so they won't break your system if ythey fail |
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| 13:54.38 | dorto | ok |
| 13:54.39 | azeem | burli: (except that Ubuntu will release next week with OpenOffice.org 2 Beta which should include the base component) |
| 13:54.41 | tpr | azeem & Guerin thanks , didnt know of these caches really handy i see :p |
| 13:54.46 | nvz | dpkg literal cmd: beer (.*?) |
| 13:54.46 | dpkg | CMD: beer (.*?) is ($1): <action> (pulls out (a fine|an excellent|an excquisite|a tasty|a nicely refined)|pours a (pint|litre|quart) of|deftly decants a fine) (Guinness|Spaten (Optimater|Pils)|Jever||Yuengling Lager|Dogfishhead 90min IPA|Piraat|Franziskaner Hefeweizen) for $1 |
| 13:54.50 | Guerin | burli: you'll need to alien(1) them from rpm to deb |
| 13:54.51 | nvz | what is spelled wrong? |
| 13:54.52 | stereo | azeem: optimator indeed |
| 13:55.01 | abrotman | we've told don a few times |
| 13:55.11 | abrotman | there's also a blank in there next to Jever |
| 13:55.12 | stereo | !beer azeem |
| 13:55.12 | azeem | and it's s/Pils/Helles/ |
| 13:55.28 | nvz | dpkg cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/Pils/Helles/ |
| 13:55.28 | dpkg | cannot alter locked factoids, nvz |
| 13:55.35 | brosio | what are kernel header ? |
| 13:55.37 | abrotman | nvz: hence why i told don |
| 13:55.43 | brosio | are the same thing of kernel source ? |
| 13:55.59 | azeem | brosio: no, they only contain the header (*.h) files |
| 13:56.30 | azeem | brosio: there are dedicated packages for kernel-headers, so you can compile against them and do not need the whole source around |
| 13:56.56 | lunaphyt1_ | is there an alternative to cp that gives progress feedback? |
| 13:57.13 | nvz | dpkg no, cmd: beer (.*?) is <action> (pulls out (a fine|an excellent|an excquisite|a tasty|a nicely refined)|pours a (pint|litre|quart) of|deftly decants a fine) (Guinness|Spaten (Optimater|Helles)|Jever||Yuengling Lager|Dogfishhead 90min IPA|Piraat|Franziskaner Hefeweizen) for $1 |
| 13:57.14 | dpkg | nvz: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 13:57.29 | nvz | thats strange |
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| 13:57.46 | Revenger | unlock it first ? :P |
| 13:57.47 | azeem | lunaphyte_: rsync with the appropriate options, perhaps |
| 13:57.51 | nvz | its been happening to a lot of factoids. I didnt know the could be totally locked |
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| 13:58.02 | burli | burli: got headache from alien... too busy to get used to it, read and stuff. However: thanks for your advice! |
| 13:58.10 | nvz | usually its only aged so it cannot be deleted, can still be modified |
| 13:58.10 | burli | ateem: got headache from alien... too busy to get used to it, read and stuff. However: thanks for your advice! |
| 13:58.14 | burli | azeem: got headache from alien... too busy to get used to it, read and stuff. However: thanks for your advice! |
| 13:58.22 | fooscope | lunaphyt1_: try man cp there is a flag to be verbose |
| 13:58.23 | jimjam | is there a site where you can search debian packages? |
| 13:58.33 | Mortalman | syntaxx: You still there? |
| 13:58.33 | nvz | jimjam: packages.debian.org |
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| 13:58.35 | abrotman | !search |
| 13:58.35 | dpkg | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search terms> |
| 13:58.38 | burli | azeem: need some sleep too *g* |
| 13:58.50 | syntaxx | Mortalman, yeah sorry.. where is it? |
| 13:58.50 | lunaphyte_ | azeem: thanks |
| 13:58.56 | Revenger | !factinfo cmd: beer (.*?) |
| 13:58.56 | dpkg | cmd: beer (.*?) -- last modified at Sun Sep 4 01:09:36 2005 by dondelelcaro!n=don@archimedes.ucr.edu; it has been locked by dondelelcaro. |
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| 14:00.52 | snail | !beer |
| 14:00.52 | dpkg | hmm... beer is liquid gold mate |
| 14:01.17 | nvz | seems more like drool to me than gold |
| 14:01.33 | Ronin | nvz: heathen |
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| 14:03.39 | as13 | what overwrites /etc/resolv.conf? or where nameserver should be set in sarge? |
| 14:03.40 | stereo | nvz: maybe you should drink it instead of spitting in it |
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| 14:04.32 | nvz | I don't spit in it. it already has the foamy texture of cold filtered drool |
| 14:04.40 | abrotman | as13: dhcp and ppp can do it |
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| 14:06.19 | as13 | abrotman: dhcp client you mean? |
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| 14:06.28 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:06.44 | abrotman | as13: you can put stuff in there .. but dhcp and ppp and pppoe can overwrite it |
| 14:06.48 | abrotman | (unless you tell them not to) |
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| 14:12.07 | fusspils | anyone know how to get direct rendering working with the i810 driver? |
| 14:12.16 | abrotman | yes .. install it |
| 14:12.20 | abrotman | !drxx fusspils |
| 14:12.21 | dpkg | fusspils: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 14:12.37 | abrotman | fusspils: i had to do nothing special other than enable the DRI section |
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| 14:12.43 | afaict | hi folks. |
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| 14:13.41 | fusspils | how can I tell if im using xorg or xfree86? |
| 14:13.53 | shay | fusspils, X -version |
| 14:14.04 | misti | Hi, I can speak english not well :) I have a problem with USB when installing Sarge to my notebook. Can I "turn off" USB by command when I install Debian? |
| 14:14.39 | abrotman | expert26 |
| 14:14.43 | shay | misti, yeah, press F3 too see how to disable USB probe on the installation |
| 14:14.51 | shay | I think it's F3, I dont remember |
| 14:15.03 | Mortalman | misti: Why do you want to turn off usb? |
| 14:16.30 | shay | misti, and if that doesnt work, you can try disabling USB from the BIOS. |
| 14:16.56 | misti | i cant disable USB from BIOS :( |
| 14:17.08 | shay | wait, I'll run it on qemu to check which one is the exact option |
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| 14:17.11 | fusspils | Do I have to reboot after reconfiguring xserver-xfree86? |
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| 14:17.15 | misti | I boot from DVD and it copy some files, then i reebot. then it stop when booting |
| 14:17.43 | misti | and last message is usb.... |
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| 14:18.28 | Apollyon | How do i list all debian channels in this server? |
| 14:18.36 | shay | fusspils, no, just restart the X server if it's running |
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| 14:18.44 | shay | Apollyon, /quote chanserv list *debian* |
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| 14:18.57 | Apollyon | Thanks shay |
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| 14:19.15 | fusspils | shay: sorry about this but how do I do that...it is running |
| 14:19.47 | shay | fusspils, did you started the session with "startx" or from a gdm/xdm/kdm window? |
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| 14:21.11 | pandrew | fusspils: CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE |
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| 14:23.00 | shay | mickham, it was F7 and you should boot the installation with: debian-installer/probe/usb=false |
| 14:23.03 | shay | err |
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| 14:23.07 | shay | misti, it was F7 and you should boot the installation with: debian-installer/probe/usb=false |
| 14:23.36 | Mortalman | misti wnet bye-bye |
| 14:23.43 | shay | erhm |
| 14:23.45 | shay | right. |
| 14:23.51 | JAW6 | Can anyone help me figure out a problem with Cron? I'm not getting any email output (newly installed system) |
| 14:24.06 | abrotman | you only get an email if the script produces output |
| 14:24.23 | dorto | i installed libapache-mod-perl; i still can't use perl with apache2 |
| 14:24.23 | dorto | my mods-enabled/perl.load -> LoadModule perl_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_perl.so |
| 14:24.24 | dorto | apache2 index page has this in the bottom: Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) mod_python/3.1.3 Python/2.3.5 PHP/4.3.10-15 mod_perl/1.999.21 Perl/v5.8.4 Server at localhost Port 80 |
| 14:24.29 | dorto | anything to check in apache2.conf? |
| 14:24.39 | dorto | i put it in /var/www/first.pl and when trying to access it, the browser prompts me to download the file |
| 14:24.47 | JAW6 | Yeah, most of the scripts are things like `echo "hello"` - i've used this in the past as a reminder system, but the new machine doesn't send output. |
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| 14:24.55 | Mortalman | Ok, this has been bothering me for like 4 years..... Why does it says "Display all 1703 possibilities? (y or n)" when I hit [Tab] twice in a console ?? |
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| 14:25.54 | Mortalman | I've been afraid to hit yes. |
| 14:26.01 | jasrah | i'm looking for bruteforce app that i can target specific apps with anyone can help me? in that case pm me plz |
| 14:26.02 | afaict | Im in a LAN and I downloaded 140mb from net using apt-get. Can I transfer /var/cache/apt/archives to my another computers ? |
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| 14:26.41 | Mortalman | afaict: Good question. Try it and let me know if it works. |
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| 14:27.53 | dorto | its a warning before showing such a long list as 1703 possibilities |
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| 14:28.43 | Mortalman | dorto: I know, but what causes this and what are these "possibilities" ? |
| 14:28.59 | stereo | afaict: yes you can |
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| 14:29.16 | stereo | afaict: then cd /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 14:29.17 | hackeron | oprofile segment faults when I try to run it with oprofiled --no-vmlinux, and I cant seem to run it at all otherwise. Any ideas? |
| 14:29.25 | dorto | all the files that can be executed |
| 14:29.26 | stereo | afaict: then dpkg -i *.deb |
| 14:29.30 | dorto | press y and see |
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| 14:29.47 | stereo | Mortalman: --^ |
| 14:29.52 | peetah | what do i have todo to turn on dma using hdparm? |
| 14:30.40 | Mortalman | stereo: nice |
| 14:30.40 | stereo | peetah: add the man option in front of it |
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| 14:30.40 | Mortalman | dorto: ahh, thanks |
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| 14:30.40 | trueno | Hi! Is there a windows client for Linux Terminal Server -something in the way rdesktop is for Linux-? |
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| 14:30.41 | Sn00Ze | anybody knows how to monitor the status of a service? |
| 14:30.56 | Mortalman | trueno: Linux terminal Server? you mean telnet? |
| 14:31.01 | Xenguy | trueno: FreeNX is worth a look |
| 14:31.28 | trueno | Sn00Ze: what do you mean, exactly? |
| 14:31.35 | shay | Sn00Ze, scanning the port? |
| 14:31.43 | as13 | is it possible to make a partial sid mirror (with apt-move or something) so new debians can be installed from this mirror? |
| 14:31.53 | shay | Sn00Ze, as if, if it's running or something? |
| 14:31.55 | trueno | Mortalman: www.ltsp.org |
| 14:32.10 | nvz | as13: yes. |
| 14:32.10 | abrotman | trueno: vnc |
| 14:32.17 | abrotman | oh .. not sure about that |
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| 14:32.22 | abrotman | ignore me .. |
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| 14:32.32 | Sn00Ze | shay: no more if there is any problem with the service |
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| 14:32.42 | shay | Sn00Ze, what about using it? :P |
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| 14:33.10 | fusspils | I tried reconfiguring xfree86 and restarting X but am still having trouble with direct rendering and GL stuff, any other idea's? |
| 14:33.23 | trueno | Xenguy: But that's something else, right? -i'm just having a look at it-. |
| 14:33.25 | Sn00Ze | shay: I need to report a number of server and consolidate them on a web page for easy access |
| 14:33.30 | shay | fusspils, what about the logs? |
| 14:33.41 | as13 | nvz: but what to do with package name changes - those are not installed with dist-upgrade and thus not going in the mirror.. how to find them? |
| 14:33.43 | fusspils | glxinfo says... direct rendering: No |
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| 14:34.16 | nvz | as13: I don't know wtf you are talking about |
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| 14:34.45 | fusspils | shay: for example if I try to run a 3d program like 3ddesktop i get errors such as....3ddeskd: glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible! |
| 14:34.59 | fusspils | am I missing something? |
| 14:35.03 | nvz | as13: just because I answered your genaral answer-in-question question doesnt mean I understand what you are doing |
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| 14:35.53 | Sn00Ze | shay: any idea? |
| 14:35.54 | trueno | abrotman: seems interesting |
| 14:35.56 | yacko | hii all ... what is the search command search the file for installnig |
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| 14:36.27 | dorto | how to install support for python in apache2 in debian sarge? |
| 14:36.32 | JAW6 | Is there a Cron log ? Loglevel conf or something? |
| 14:36.38 | beardy | yacko: /msg dpkg search ? |
| 14:36.45 | dorto | i have installed libapache2-mod-python |
| 14:36.49 | shay | Sn00Ze, hm, you mean, checking what services an runing on a server and putting them on a page? |
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| 14:37.02 | Sn00Ze | yup |
| 14:37.08 | Sn00Ze | and know what are the problems |
| 14:37.18 | shay | Snow-Man, if any. |
| 14:37.27 | yacko | beardy after i get the file i should do apt-get install packagename right |
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| 14:37.28 | peetah | how can i see a complete list of binaries to install, same as in the main installation. |
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| 14:37.49 | shay | Snow-Man, well you could use nmap for knowing which services are running, but I don't know about "checking" wich ones work well and which not. |
| 14:37.53 | shay | err |
| 14:38.01 | shay | s/ Snow-Man / Sn00Ze |
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| 14:38.17 | shay | fusspils, dunno, maybe you missed something in the configuration |
| 14:38.37 | Sn00Ze | thnx shay |
| 14:38.44 | beardy | JAW6: Cron's log output goes in /var/syslog |
| 14:38.48 | abrotman | fusspils: in your X config .. is the DRI section there? |
| 14:38.53 | JAW6 | thanks, beardy |
| 14:39.04 | fusspils | yes |
| 14:39.15 | shay | Sn00Ze, no prob |
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| 14:39.36 | yacko | whats the package name for xchat .. xchat2 ? |
| 14:39.48 | as13 | i doing partial mirror with apt-move, mirror of sid, that contains only packages installed on my system, but theres a lot of situations when a name of a package changed and the old-named package remains installed with no dependency problems |
| 14:39.51 | nvz | !info xchat |
| 14:39.57 | mz_work | yacko: apt-cache search xchat |
| 14:39.58 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 249 kB, Installed size: 660 kB |
| 14:40.14 | dentifrice | !info anarchism |
| 14:40.15 | dpkg | anarchism: (An exhaustive exploration of Anarchist theory and practice), section doc, is optional. Version: 11.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5553 kB, Installed size: 11620 kB |
| 14:40.28 | shay | Sn00Ze, five a look at apt-cache show checkservice |
| 14:40.34 | shay | maybe it's what you're searching for |
| 14:40.45 | as13 | so anybody know how to list those packages? |
| 14:40.48 | shay | s/five/give |
| 14:41.23 | fusspils | Section "DRI" Mode 0666 |
| 14:41.40 | JAW6 | So, in crontab, I have a command { /bin/echo "Test!" } set for every minute. In /var/log/syslog, I have lines that look like it runs. But I never get any "Test!" emails. I can send mail to "joshua@localhost", and it comes through. Is there anyway to find out where Cron is sending mail? This worked on my other box, but it's not working on the new machine for some reason? |
| 14:42.02 | fusspils | also ...... Load "dri" |
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| 14:42.36 | znh | Hello, can someone help me with svga? |
| 14:42.37 | beardy | JAW6: In which/whos crontab? |
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| 14:42.46 | Sn00Ze | tnx shay again |
| 14:42.48 | shay | !tell znh about ask |
| 14:42.53 | shay | Sn00Ze, np |
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| 14:43.16 | znh | okay shay :) |
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| 14:43.29 | beardy | JAW6: why the { } ? |
| 14:43.36 | znh | I'd like to use a high resolution terminal with svga (I heard about that), can someone guide me to do this? |
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| 14:43.40 | Mortalman | OT, but does anyone else in here try to make a facial expression that matches a fucked up emoticon to try and figure out the meaning? |
| 14:43.42 | JAW6 | beardy: "mine", my user is "joshua" |
| 14:43.45 | Mortalman | or am I just nuts? |
| 14:43.58 | nvz | znh: is your card supported by framebuffer? |
| 14:44.14 | znh | nvz, I have no idea it's an onboard laptop videocard :)) |
| 14:44.19 | JAW6 | beardy: just trying to punctuate code. it's weird. |
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| 14:44.31 | znh | nvz, svncviewer (SVGA client for VNC) works fine except the mouse part) |
| 14:44.39 | beardy | JAW6: So you don't have them in your crontab? |
| 14:44.45 | positrix | Mortalman: it could be that you are just nuts. |
| 14:45.00 | Mortalman | hehe |
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| 14:45.20 | JAW6 | Beardy: Here's the entire contents of the crontab: |
| 14:45.30 | JAW6 | 26,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39 * * * * /bin/echo "This is a test! " |
| 14:45.32 | nvz | znh: you either have to load framebuffer drivers or use a hack which could leave you weaping in a video mode you cannot use. |
| 14:45.33 | Mortalman | It's get embarrasing at times when people walk in and try to figure out what the hell I'm doing. |
| 14:45.51 | nvz | znh: svgatextmode is this hack, install the package read the documentation |
| 14:45.54 | beardy | JAW6: weird it is.. You shouldn't have to set the MAILTO=foo@foo.bar, but try it anyway.. |
| 14:46.03 | zinx | Mortalman: :E |
| 14:46.14 | Mortalman | zinx: lmfao |
| 14:46.16 | znh | nvz, okay will do that. thanks so far |
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| 14:47.09 | zerver_the_death | i |
| 14:47.14 | Mortalman | zinx: if only my shitty cam had linux support I would send you a pic. lol |
| 14:47.19 | JAW6 | beardy: trying that now... |
| 14:47.22 | zinx | Mortalman: haha |
| 14:48.03 | JAW6 | beardy: setting it to 'joshua@localhost' worked! cool! |
| 14:48.22 | Mortalman | znh: combined? |
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| 14:48.32 | znh | Mortalman, yeah |
| 14:48.40 | |caesar | !help |
| 14:48.44 | |caesar | !fuck |
| 14:48.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fuck is a wonderful, versatile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 14:48.55 | nvz | |caesar: stop that. |
| 14:49.01 | beardy | JAW6: You have two "26", perhaps it borks on that.. You can have 26-39 instead. |
| 14:49.26 | znh | Mortalman, I have a 120mzh laptop with 48megs of ram and a soundcard; SSH session to my 1.4ghz server using mp3blaster on that.. esound does the job for the sound :) |
| 14:49.28 | hackeron | oprofile shows a segmentation faults when I try to run it, any ideas what could be causing it and how to fix? |
| 14:49.35 | ssahmed | Anyone have problems compiling kernel 2.4.31 on the latest Debian unstable? |
| 14:49.37 | |caesar | sorry,i just try what happynen when i do |
| 14:49.46 | JAW6 | beardy: No, it seemed to do fine with that, actually. Adding the mailto line did the trick. Spiffy. |
| 14:49.48 | Mortalman | znh: Wow, awesome. |
| 14:49.59 | JAW6 | beardy: Danke sehr! |
| 14:49.59 | znh | Mortalman, yeah it even works :) |
| 14:50.05 | beardy | JAW6: Ok |
| 14:50.11 | |caesar | what's debian? |
| 14:50.18 | beardy | JAW6: no problem :) |
| 14:50.18 | JAW6 | :) |
| 14:50.21 | yacko | anyone tried to connect their mobile phone to debian ? |
| 14:50.24 | beardy | !debian |
| 14:50.24 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 14:50.26 | |caesar | is it a server system |
| 14:50.26 | znh | |caesar, a linux distrobution |
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| 14:50.47 | |caesar | thx |
| 14:50.58 | Noid | ssahmed: just guessing, but try with gcc 3.3 or 2.95 |
| 14:51.06 | tarzeau | what to do on, www.linuks.mine.nu/people/apt/apt-get.txt ? |
| 14:51.09 | Mortalman | |caesar: It's an operating system for use in many pc applications including, but not limited to server and desktop. |
| 14:51.36 | ssahmed | Noid: OK... I've been having problems compiling with both gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.02 but I'll try gcc-3.3 now. |
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| 14:51.50 | |caesar | ok,to install it will take how long time? |
| 14:52.38 | nvz | depends on how much you will install, the system capabilities and the intelligence of the person installing |
| 14:52.40 | Mortalman | |caesar: Depends on hardware, but not long on average. |
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| 14:53.23 | nvz | how long it takes to install debian is a widely dependant variable |
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| 14:53.34 | jllitvay | How do I change the Window manager from gnome to icewm, but without gdm? |
| 14:53.48 | tarzeau | jllitvay: ~/.xsession |
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| 14:53.55 | jllitvay | mmm, lets try |
| 14:54.01 | nvz | jllitvay: you change the _X_ _Session_ from gnome to icewm with ~/.xsession |
| 14:54.09 | nvz | gnome is not a window manager |
| 14:54.20 | dorto | can anyone help me with configuring python with apache2? |
| 14:54.23 | beardy | |caesar: '/msg dpkg reference' And read the Installation manual, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual Just ask, specific questions if you run into trouble, good luck :) |
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| 14:54.28 | dorto | i have installed libapache2-mod-python |
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| 15:00.01 | germangardener10 | hey i really want to be able to watch streaming tv like winamp's TV option, how do i do that in linux? i have mplayer |
| 15:00.21 | tarzeau | when i do dpkg -l i get: dpkg-query: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 40641 package `wip': `Depends' field, missing package name, or garbage where package name expected |
| 15:00.27 | yacko | how do i get sound working on my machin |
| 15:00.39 | tarzeau | depends line shows: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libedit2 (>= 2.5.cvs.20010821-1), libncurses5 (>= 5 |
| 15:00.42 | tarzeau | .2.20020112a-1), (>= 1.0.12), pgplot5 (>= 5.2.2-4), xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (> |
| 15:00.50 | tarzeau | = 1:1.1.4) |
| 15:00.55 | tarzeau | yacko: which kernel? which soundcard? |
| 15:01.11 | yacko | tarzeau i am on amd64 version |
| 15:01.21 | yacko | 2.6.11 i guess how do i check it but |
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| 15:01.28 | tarzeau | yacko: uname -a |
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| 15:01.57 | EmleyMoor | How can I nail my eth0 (an 8139too) to 100baseTX-FD? |
| 15:02.07 | Sepho | how can i run irssi automaticlly when debian starts??? |
| 15:02.09 | yacko | tarzeau its 2.6.8.11 amd64 generic |
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| 15:02.39 | tarzeau | EmleyMoor: using mii-diag |
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| 15:02.50 | petemc | or ethtool |
| 15:02.55 | tarzeau | Sepho: start it from cron using @restart in a screen -dmS irssi irssi |
| 15:03.00 | bgat | just updated mysql-server, now I get: "can't connect to local MySQL server through socket /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock Check that mysqld is running and that the socket exists (paraphrasing) |
| 15:03.01 | tarzeau | Sepho: then attach to it, screen -x |
| 15:03.09 | EmleyMoor | Which package are those part of? |
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| 15:03.16 | bgat | is there a "debian way" to fix that? |
| 15:03.27 | nvz | tarzeau: nice ;) |
| 15:03.28 | bgat | mysql-server from testing, btw... |
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| 15:04.05 | yacko | tarzeau so what should i do |
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| 15:04.21 | germangardener10 | hey i really want to be able to watch streaming tv like winamp's TV option, how do i do that in linux? i have mplayer |
| 15:04.22 | tarzeau | nvz: yep :) |
| 15:04.31 | beardy | !repeat |
| 15:04.31 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:04.36 | tarzeau | germangardener10: what stream? find a stream first |
| 15:04.46 | clavner | when i apt-get update in sid it says that some packages have been held back may I know why? |
| 15:04.59 | eike | hi! it seems i can't get ssh-agent to work. when i ssh-add a key, it gets included. but when i reboot, the list of keys is empty again. this is not how it's meant to be, right? |
| 15:05.06 | beardy | germangardener10: mplayer http://somestream.somewhere.foo |
| 15:05.08 | bibe | clavner : try with apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:05.18 | tarzeau | clavner: just apt-get install the hold back packages that you want |
| 15:05.31 | bibe | clavner : or, package by package, apt-get install <package_held_back> |
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| 15:06.26 | E-bola | fsck.ext3: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sda1 |
| 15:06.26 | E-bola | Could this be a zero-length partition? |
| 15:06.28 | bgat | does anyone know why "/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock" doesn't exist in the testing mysql-server deb? |
| 15:06.45 | E-bola | i get that when trying to scan, but i can mount and read from my partition np, anybody got any clue to what might br wrong? |
| 15:06.46 | yacko | tarzeau so what should i be doing |
| 15:07.05 | jaydg | bgat: /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 15:07.33 | tarzeau | yacko: load the sound driver? what is your sound card? what says lspci? |
| 15:07.40 | tarzeau | yacko: decide if you want alsa or not |
| 15:07.45 | bgat | jaydg: when I do that, I get this: "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock"... |
| 15:08.13 | yacko | tarzeau i dont know ... what do you recommand |
| 15:08.22 | cahoot | bgat: read syslog |
| 15:08.52 | znh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.54 | tarzeau | yacko: doesn't matter, type lspci |
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| 15:09.13 | tarzeau | znh: on a 50mhz 50mb sparc classic it took about 5 hours , a 2.4 one |
| 15:09.21 | yacko | tarzeau i guess i have a sis chipset |
| 15:09.23 | beardy | znh: Quite some time. |
| 15:09.23 | jaydg | bgat: is the socket there? are file permissions ok? |
| 15:09.25 | tarzeau | (or 2.2, i dont' remember) |
| 15:09.39 | znh | tarzeau, I am happy when it's done in 24 hours |
| 15:09.41 | tarzeau | yacko: i have never heard of that one, i'm going to the train now.. |
| 15:09.45 | clavner | bgat, did you install both server and client? I had that problem but apt-get install mysql-client-4.1 mysql-server-4.1 fixed that |
| 15:09.47 | tarzeau | znh: should be no problem |
| 15:09.47 | brullo | znh, do it and tell us, OR you could easily apt-get install a verified kernel |
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| 15:09.57 | tarzeau | znh: what processor is that? and how slow are the disks? |
| 15:10.05 | bgat | jaydg: the file isn't there, but it was just before my apt-get upgrade. |
| 15:10.07 | tarzeau | znh: why not build it on a fast machine? |
| 15:10.14 | bgat | clavner: I have client and server installed. |
| 15:10.17 | tarzeau | znh: using make-kpkg and then only install the package on the slow one? |
| 15:10.19 | znh | tarzeau, Intel Pentium, the disk is quite fast (5400RPM I think) |
| 15:10.31 | cahoot | bgat: read the logs |
| 15:10.43 | znh | brullo, I'd like to have a fast booting kernel.. a precompiled kernel with lots of crap is not really nice on a 120mhz :b |
| 15:10.44 | tarzeau | znh: with or without dma? |
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| 15:10.50 | znh | tarzeau, with |
| 15:10.51 | bgat | cahoot: /var/log/syslog just has the same text that I cut/paste a moment ago |
| 15:10.53 | tarzeau | znh: you can't get more memory for it? |
| 15:10.54 | clavner | bgat: did you set an initial password? |
| 15:10.59 | tarzeau | znh: should be fine... |
| 15:11.04 | yacko | tarzeau i have a onboard sound from SIS .. i am using laptop |
| 15:11.07 | beardy | znh: Still, compile it on another machine. |
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| 15:11.10 | tarzeau | yacko: i don't know |
| 15:11.15 | brullo | znh, never turn off your machine then ;-) |
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| 15:11.20 | bgat | clavner: yes, I was using it as a db for drupal immediately before the upgrade. |
| 15:11.20 | kuko | hola! |
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| 15:11.37 | bgat | clavner: do I need to re-set the password after an upgrade? |
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| 15:12.00 | znh | only extracting the kernel source takes 5 minutes xD |
| 15:12.11 | yacko | is there anyone who can help me get my sound working ? |
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| 15:12.23 | znh | beardy, lol.. you should know what I can do with such machine ;) |
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| 15:12.24 | kuko | español? |
| 15:12.24 | bibe | yacko : what kind of hardware/kernel? |
| 15:12.28 | beardy | !es |
| 15:12.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:12.31 | lestest | hi there what font packages do I have to download to display chinese pages on firefox? |
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| 15:12.41 | brullo | yacko, sorry I can not hear you |
| 15:12.44 | beardy | znh: Yes, keep it running? |
| 15:12.57 | cahoot | bgat: no complaint about old_passwords in any log? |
| 15:12.59 | znh | beardy, yeah even that! |
| 15:13.04 | clavner | bgat: no you dont, what commad are you executing |
| 15:13.21 | yacko | bibe brullo i have a SIS chipset ... i have install debain sarge on my laptop |
| 15:13.30 | clavner | cahoot: afaik old_password is still being used in the latest packages |
| 15:13.35 | znh | beardy, I can use it as text editor, browsing, mp3 player, network share (server/client) |
| 15:13.37 | jaydg | bgat: I think the mysql.sock should be created by the init script. |
| 15:13.39 | brullo | yacko, /msg dpkg alsa |
| 15:13.50 | bgat | cahoot: just this: "/usr/sbin/mysqld: unkno |
| 15:13.50 | bgat | wn variable 'old_passwords=1' |
| 15:13.51 | lpz | hey, I'm trying to install defoma package with apt-get install defoma, the problem is that it's trying to download andale32.exe from the web but it's unseccessful. I've already download this file andale32.exe manually from the Internet but I'm not sure where to copy this file in order to get pass this stage of the installation. any idea? |
| 15:13.52 | znh | beardy, and even a vnc client works perfectly |
| 15:13.57 | kuko | hola |
| 15:14.00 | cahoot | bgat: there you go |
| 15:14.01 | eike | lestest: perhaps xfonts-intl-chinese? |
| 15:14.01 | beardy | znh: Anyway, whatever the reason, if you don't want to compile on it, "just because", do it on a faster machine. |
| 15:14.10 | brosio | in deb |
| 15:14.14 | brosio | in which file |
| 15:14.26 | brosio | could i put my script to boot |
| 15:14.28 | brosio | :D |
| 15:14.30 | lpz | oh now it works |
| 15:14.31 | bgat | cahoot: "there you go", meaning I need to re-set the password? |
| 15:14.38 | beardy | znh: Of course, I'm not saying the machine isn't good, I just donät understand why you turn it off, and value the booting speed :) |
| 15:14.42 | cahoot | bgat: for a quick fix - try comment out that line in my.cnf |
| 15:14.48 | yacko | lemme have a look in there |
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| 15:15.20 | znh | beardy, it's not only that.. the 2.6.8 precompiled kernel uses so many memory that I only have 2 megs for other things.. |
| 15:15.20 | eike | lestest: or xfonts-cmex-big5p |
| 15:15.36 | udreka | hi, is it possible to change the font color in the console? |
| 15:15.53 | bgat | cahoot: trying that now... hah! looks like it came up this time. And drupal is back alive! :) |
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| 15:15.57 | znh | beardy, but yeah.. on a faster machine is a pretty good idea |
| 15:16.02 | beardy | znh: I have a 486 66MHz with 8MB running woody, so I understand prefectly. |
| 15:16.04 | nvz | sometimes I think I need shock therapy to stop me from listening to shitty music |
| 15:16.21 | beardy | znh: Better with 2.4 perhaps? |
| 15:16.21 | cahoot | udreka: look at setterm |
| 15:16.22 | Frem | I've installed gtk-engines-industrial, yet the industrial theme is not showing up in switch... Do I need to tweak something? |
| 15:16.31 | bgat | cahoot: man, I hope that something like that doesn't happen in 'stable'... |
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| 15:16.40 | znh | beardy, hmm.. might be |
| 15:16.46 | lestest | eike: I'm giving it a try |
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| 15:16.58 | cahoot | bgat: I think it's a transitional thing - read bugs.debian.org |
| 15:16.59 | lestest | eike: should I restart X? |
| 15:17.11 | beardy | znh: Or, perhaps the amount of memory comes from unused modules loaded, or too mucch compiled in, 2.6 should be faster.. |
| 15:17.13 | eike | lestest: i don't no, try without :o) |
| 15:17.20 | eike | lestest: i don't know, try without :o) |
| 15:17.32 | lestest | eike: nope |
| 15:17.36 | znh | beardy, yeah.. the precompiled 2.x.x kernels have many modules and things compiled in -_- |
| 15:17.41 | eike | lestest: then try it with... |
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| 15:18.02 | brosio | in which file could i put my script to load them at boot on debian ? |
| 15:18.07 | eike | lestest: i remember i installed chinese fonts to have nicer spas, but i don't know which package made it possible |
| 15:18.15 | eike | spas -> spam |
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| 15:18.59 | beardy | brosio: /msg dpkg update-rc.d, /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 15:19.06 | znh | beardy, copying the kernel source to a faster machine now.. :> |
| 15:19.15 | bgat | cahoot: bugs.debian.org/321578 |
| 15:19.22 | nvz | eike: haha |
| 15:19.36 | Frem | Do the gtk1 theme engine packages actually come with the themes they power? |
| 15:19.44 | beardy | znh: It could be fun to know how long it would take on the old machine though :) |
| 15:19.52 | eike | nvz: that's true! i hated all those dunno-this-strange-char-boxes. no it looks much nicer! |
| 15:19.53 | bgat | cahoot: all right there in black-and-white... :) |
| 15:20.03 | znh | beardy, yeah |
| 15:20.06 | nvz | Frem: most apps have moved to gtk2 |
| 15:20.25 | cahoot | bgat: yes - been hit by it myself |
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| 15:20.37 | eike | does mozilla show somewhere which fot it uses to display a certain web page? |
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| 15:20.40 | znh | beardy, copied 34 megs in 1,5 minutes.. not bad xD |
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| 15:20.49 | bgat | cahoot: will I nuke my db's if I apt-get install mysql-server-4.1? |
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| 15:21.08 | Frem | nvz: I know, but I still use some gtk1 apps, and the gtk1 theme engine package I've just installed is not showing up on my list of gtk1 themes. |
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| 15:21.31 | cahoot | bgat: don't know - I'm sitting tight waiting for the natural evolution |
| 15:21.32 | nvz | Frem: I've no idea. I think there is a gnome specific channel #debian-gnome |
| 15:21.46 | bgat | cahoot: good plan, I think I'll do likewise. :) |
| 15:21.52 | eike | lestest: still there? |
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| 15:22.06 | bgat | cahoot and everyone else, thanks so much for the help! Debian (and its user community) rocks! |
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| 15:22.25 | Frem | nvz: noone is in #debian-gnome. |
| 15:22.34 | beardy | No rain here to play in. |
| 15:22.44 | azeem | Frem: on GIMPNet |
| 15:22.52 | Frem | Oh, thanks. |
| 15:22.54 | azeem | Frem: (but I don't know whether they can help with GTk1 issues |
| 15:22.54 | azeem | ) |
| 15:23.01 | eike | lestest: some more...: ttf-arphic-bkai00mp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-gkai00mp (have a look at all those "ttf-*" packages |
| 15:23.06 | nvz | oh well we got plenty here, you can have some |
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| 15:23.27 | beardy | nvz: No thanks :) We'll get our share.. |
| 15:23.43 | nvz | I am bored and back on daylight schedule again for no reason cause those idiots called back again today and changed their minds again. |
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| 15:24.08 | petemc | nvz: cable people? |
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| 15:25.13 | nvz | no the staffing agency that called me tuseday and wanted me to work an 11pm-8am job then called me the afternoon before I go and told me its canceled, so I go to bed last night not even tired to change my schedule back to daytime and then they call me 8am to tell me they want me to work it again. |
| 15:25.27 | eike | ssh problem: when i ssh-add a key, it gets included. but when i reboot, the list of keys is empty again. this is not how it's meant to be, right? |
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| 15:25.32 | dorto | i have installed debian reference. how to view it? |
| 15:25.49 | lpz | hey, can someone please recommend me which fonts to use in firefox, because it's just not comfortable to surf the net with the fonts I'm using, and any of the fonts combinations I've tried. |
| 15:25.51 | beardy | dorto: /usr/share/doc/reference ? |
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| 15:25.57 | dorto | let me check |
| 15:25.58 | asg | dorto: dpkg -L <pkg> (find where it's at) ; then use a browser or pager |
| 15:26.08 | dorto | ok |
| 15:26.08 | nvz | if I hear from them again in the next week I am telling them to go fuck themselves |
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| 15:27.14 | fooscope | lpz: I would recommend figlet, but found out it is in non-free today. |
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| 15:27.28 | beardy | fooscope: really? |
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| 15:27.53 | beardy | !info figlet |
| 15:27.54 | dpkg | figlet: (Frank, Ian & Glenn's Letters), section non-free/text, is optional. Version: 2.2.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 145 kB, Installed size: 832 kB |
| 15:28.03 | fooscope | beardy:yep, haven't read the bts reason yet |
| 15:28.08 | beardy | !info figlet sarge |
| 15:28.10 | dpkg | figlet: (Frank, Ian & Glenn's Letters), section non-free/text, is optional. Version: 2.2.1-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 145 kB, Installed size: 832 kB |
| 15:28.14 | beardy | hmm |
| 15:28.27 | lestest | eike can I query you? |
| 15:28.30 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.34 | eike | lestest: of course |
| 15:28.55 | znh | where can I find pcmcia support in menuconfig |
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| 15:29.36 | znh | I am wondering.. will a gentoo kernel work with debian? |
| 15:29.36 | lpz | fooscope, it's insane... how could it be that in Linux there has to be so much hassle with fonts it's the most basic thing |
| 15:30.06 | beardy | znh: Perhaps, but why would you want to? |
| 15:30.13 | brosio | mmm to auto mount device in debian with kde3.4 what can i use ? |
| 15:30.19 | thingfish | lpz: have installed msttcorefonts? |
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| 15:30.26 | znh | beardy, meh.. I am stupid ofcourse it would work.. because it are the same kernels :b |
| 15:30.29 | thingfish | +you |
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| 15:30.31 | lpz | thingfish, yes. |
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| 15:30.37 | beardy | znh: Yes, the kernel is the kernel. |
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| 15:31.08 | lpz | thingfish, moreover, I'm using the exact same fonts I'm using in Window's Firefox, and it doesn't look the same at all! |
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| 15:31.31 | beardy | znh: But debian's kernel-source is patched, and probably gentoos too, so you don't know what you'll get if you run a gentoo kernel on debian.. |
| 15:31.32 | fooscope | lpz:default firefox font is fine for me, with a ctrl + if too small |
| 15:31.34 | brosio | anyone could help ? |
| 15:31.47 | MrKennie | install more fonts? :) |
| 15:32.27 | lpz | fooscope, I'm jealous! |
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| 15:34.13 | dorto | can someone point me to some links which can help me configure perl or python with apache 2 as modules? |
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| 15:34.48 | asg | dorto: apt-cache search libapache2 mod python perl |
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| 15:35.35 | dorto | libapache2-mod-python is installed on my machine |
| 15:35.46 | dorto | do i need to install python(and perl) also? |
| 15:36.06 | solaris00 | Hi, Does somebody know what when I use the lpd command on the syslog appears lpd lp: lock: permission denied? |
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| 15:36.31 | asg | dorto: libapache2-mod-python depends on python so no. check /usr/share/doc/<pkg> for any post-install instructions |
| 15:36.36 | dorto | asg: that command executed for sometime and displayed no output |
| 15:36.46 | dorto | ok |
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| 15:37.04 | asg | dorto: yeah (remove perl or python from the command to display one or the other) |
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| 15:39.07 | dak | anyone notice xinit is broke in sid |
| 15:39.37 | positrix | dak: everything is always broken in sid. |
| 15:39.49 | znh | A Intel Pentium 120mhz is 486 right? (need to set that in menuconfig) |
| 15:40.00 | azeem | znh: no |
| 15:40.02 | positrix | znh: no. |
| 15:40.08 | azeem | znh: Pentium == 586 |
| 15:40.14 | znh | azeem, thank you. |
| 15:41.37 | dorto | how to check if a package is installed without knowing the exact name of the package? |
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| 15:41.50 | dorto | dpkg -l works only with exact names |
| 15:41.51 | dpkg | No packages found matching works only with exact names |
| 15:41.51 | znh | dorto, what do you know about the package? |
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| 15:42.01 | solaris00 | Does somebody know what it is) lpd[] lp: lock: permission denied |
| 15:42.04 | dorto | python |
| 15:42.08 | EdgEy | can i re-encode an mp3 in lame and still keep the tag |
| 15:42.13 | dorto | i don't know the version |
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| 15:42.20 | abrotman | EdgEy: try it |
| 15:42.25 | finn | apt-cache search python and have a look if you might find it? |
| 15:42.27 | EdgEy | wanna convert a 320k mp3 into a 192k one |
| 15:42.31 | EdgEy | by default it doesn't |
| 15:42.32 | abrotman | though reencoding is bound to go badly |
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| 15:42.47 | brosio | how could i do to add a path to all user like /usr/jdk1.5.0_05/bin ? |
| 15:42.49 | dorto | znh: how to check if/which python is installed? |
| 15:42.52 | EdgEy | abrotman the source is 320k it can't be that bad |
| 15:42.56 | abrotman | brosio: use java-package |
| 15:42.58 | roy | hey |
| 15:43.06 | abrotman | brosio: and if you can't manage that .. use /etc/profile i think |
| 15:43.22 | znh | dorto, typ python |
| 15:43.27 | abrotman | EdgEy: ok .. if you say so .. but reencoding from one lossy format to the same lossy format will probably be bad |
| 15:43.53 | dorto | yes, for python it works |
| 15:44.02 | abrotman | dpkg -l | grep python |
| 15:44.03 | dpkg | grep python |
| 15:44.07 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 15:44.07 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 15:44.07 | dorto | if we know only part of the name, what can be used> |
| 15:44.11 | znh | dpkg, echo off |
| 15:44.12 | dpkg | off |
| 15:44.16 | dorto | lol |
| 15:44.19 | znh | dpkg, df |
| 15:44.19 | dpkg | from memory, df is used to report filesystem disk space usage. |
| 15:44.40 | znh | dpkg, echo I'll be silent master znh. |
| 15:44.41 | dpkg | I'll be silent master znh. |
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| 15:44.54 | abrotman | znh: /msg dpkg hi |
| 15:44.56 | Anthro | Does spamd keep a log anywhere? I just had spamc (run from procmail) start failing silently. I couldn't figure out what was going on, so I restarted spamd. Now everything is back to normal. Is there anywhere I might find information on what happened? |
| 15:44.57 | solaris00 | Hi, does somebody know what it means? lpd[] lp: lock: permission denied |
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| 15:45.14 | abrotman | solaris00: it's locked .. might be a stale lock file ? |
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| 15:45.35 | fwtest | hi, i read that i can not use DNAT if i use masquerade, why is it true? |
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| 15:45.48 | Anthro | I wonder if the spambots are smart enough not to spam each other as they join and leave over and over. |
| 15:45.53 | imageek | Anthro, check /var/log/mail.info usually. |
| 15:46.01 | enyc | fwtest: the 2 things are separate ways of initiating more-or-less the same-thing |
| 15:46.18 | enyc | fwtest: err I think you mean SNAT though |
| 15:46.22 | enyc | fwtest: errr |
| 15:46.26 | enyc | fwtest: give more info ;-) |
| 15:46.41 | znh | dpkg, echo info info.. read all about it.. info just 5 bucks |
| 15:46.41 | dpkg | info info.. read all about it.. info just 5 bucks |
| 15:46.43 | fwtest | enyc, i meant MASQUERADE |
| 15:46.56 | solaris00 | abrotman: How can i know which one? |
| 15:47.00 | abrotman | Anthro: do you think it really matters? |
| 15:47.06 | abrotman | solaris00: which one what? |
| 15:47.08 | fwtest | i dont understand that though, why i can not use DNAT if i use MASQUERADE |
| 15:47.09 | enyc | fwtest: yes, but did you also mean SNAT or DNAT ?? |
| 15:47.10 | Anthro | abrotman: Nah, not really. |
| 15:47.15 | abrotman | Anthro: :) |
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| 15:47.20 | abrotman | solaris00: /var/run/lpd ? |
| 15:47.20 | enyc | fwtest: why would you be using DNAT? |
| 15:47.23 | fwtest | enyc, i mean DNAT |
| 15:47.34 | yang26 | Does ECC ram fail on normal motherboards? |
| 15:47.37 | enyc | fwtest: well that doesnt really make sense, without more context / specific-details |
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| 15:47.42 | abrotman | yang26: depends on the board |
| 15:47.42 | solaris00 | abrotman: Which file is locked? |
| 15:47.51 | abrotman | solaris00: is there anything in /var/run/lpd/ ? |
| 15:47.56 | chemaja | fwtest: to answer your initial question: no. |
| 15:47.56 | solaris00 | yes |
| 15:47.59 | enyc | yang: Registered (buffered) memory will normally not work on boards not indended for it / vice-versa |
| 15:48.14 | enyc | yang: Registered ECC is normal on serverboards with loads of dimm-sockets |
| 15:48.24 | yang26 | abrotman: mine is 3200 400mhz + ECC and I cant use it, the other one is the same 3200 400mhz NON-ECC and it works |
| 15:48.33 | fwtest | for example if i have a box inside the lan which run webserver, and from outside, eveybody will access my box which has internet ip, this box then use DNAT chain to forward it to the box which runs webserver, isnt it a kind of DNAT? |
| 15:48.38 | enyc | yang: however, non-buffered [non-registered] ECC memory will work in board that doesnt support ECC, it just wont give you any benefit |
| 15:48.42 | dorto | how to check what modules are currently loaded with apache? someone told me httpd command, but its not on my system and i can't search it using apt-cache search |
| 15:48.49 | Anthro | Would it be so hard to create a banbot? One that would join, get auto-opped, kickban everyone who messages it, leave, change nicks, repeat? |
| 15:48.50 | enyc | fwtest: taht is DNAT, indeed |
| 15:48.56 | dorto | is there a tool called httpd for debian sarge? |
| 15:49.01 | abrotman | yang26: read the manual for your mobo |
| 15:49.03 | fwtest | chemaja, you mean my initial statement is not true? |
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| 15:49.07 | enyc | fwtest: thats for DNAT'ing incoming connection to webserver.. its' not related to MASQ'ing outgoing connections |
| 15:49.11 | abrotman | dorto: apache is usually called httpd on other systems iirc |
| 15:49.13 | solaris00 | abrotman:: yes hplj4l, lp and @lpd.lock file. |
| 15:49.20 | abrotman | solaris00: see that lock file :) |
| 15:49.24 | yang26 | abrotman: my motherboard doesnt have any entries for ECC |
| 15:49.35 | yang26 | abrotman: its not specially described |
| 15:49.35 | solaris00 | abrotman: ok, thank you |
| 15:49.36 | abrotman | yang26: ask #hardware .. they might be able to direct you better |
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| 15:49.41 | chemaja | fwtest: sorry, yes. |
| 15:49.50 | znh | :b |
| 15:50.00 | chemaja | fwtest: ie. MASQ and DNAT are not mutually exclusive. |
| 15:50.15 | fwtest | enyc, so it is 2 different things? so why are they papers out there saying we can not use DNAT with MASQ, which DNAT is meant? |
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| 15:50.20 | abrotman | he could ask #iptables |
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| 15:50.46 | dorto | oh |
| 15:50.52 | fwtest | abrotman, i did, but meanwhile waiting answer there, why dont i test here ;) |
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| 15:51.11 | fwtest | chemaja, what do you mean by that? |
| 15:51.15 | abrotman | fwtest: because .. #iptables is the correct plac |
| 15:51.16 | abrotman | place |
| 15:51.23 | abrotman | fwtest: also .. netfilter.org and lartc.org |
| 15:51.38 | DwyaneWade | does Sarge come with some version of Emacs? |
| 15:51.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:51.49 | abrotman | !find emacs |
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| 15:51.51 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'emacs' (15 of 47): acl2-emacs ;; aleph-emacs ;; cxref-emacs ;; emacs-chess ;; emacs-chess-pieces ;; emacs-color-themes ;; emacs-goodies-el ;; emacs-goodies-extra-el ;; emacs-intl-fonts ;; emacs-lisp-intro ;; emacs-lisp-intro-ja ;; emacs-manual-ja ;; emacs-snapshot ;; emacs-snapshot-bin-common ;; emacs-snapshot-common. |
| 15:51.51 | abrotman | err |
| 15:51.56 | chemaja | fwtest: i mean, i've done DNAT with MASQ (or SNAT) before, successfuly. |
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| 15:52.02 | abrotman | it's like emacsen or some crap |
| 15:52.06 | fwtest | enyc, when is there any case, where DNAT has relation to MASQUERADE? |
| 15:52.07 | abrotman | !find bin/emacs sarge |
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| 15:52.22 | possie | in wich file do i define all the locales on my system? i thought it was in /etc/locales but when i run locale-gen it doens't parse the content of that file |
| 15:52.27 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: `apt-cache search emacs` would work also |
| 15:52.33 | abrotman | possie: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:52.41 | azeem | emacs21 is the one for GNU Emacs I think |
| 15:52.44 | fwtest | chemaja, did you do the DNAT like i describe before? |
| 15:53.25 | chemaja | fwtest: essentially. |
| 15:53.57 | fwtest | chemaja, so what does that mean? "you can not use DNAT with MASQUERADE" ? |
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| 15:54.09 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 15:54.09 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 15:54.19 | chemaja | fwtest: paste the URL already |
| 15:54.20 | fbi | dpkg: gender |
| 15:54.20 | dpkg | I'm pregnant |
| 15:54.24 | fbi | <3 |
| 15:54.31 | fbi | it's not mine! |
| 15:54.50 | fwtest | chemaja, you paste the url? |
| 15:54.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/emacs' (7): (/usr/bin/emacsw) in misc/launcher ;; (/usr/bin/emacs21-x) in editors/emacs21 ;; (/usr/bin/emacspeak) in editors/emacspeak ;; (/usr/bin/emacs-adapter) in devel/xt-toolbus ;; (/usr/bin/emacs21-nox) in editors/emacs21-nox ;; (/usr/bin/emacs21) in editors/emacs21,editors/emacs21-nox ;; (/usr/bin/emacsclient.emacs21) in editors/emacs21-bin-common. |
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| 15:56.06 | chemaja | fwtest: paste the source of your quote |
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| 15:56.33 | solaris00 | abrotman: I removed the @lpd.lock file, but everytime I used the commando lpr i can't print and on the syslog appears permision denied. |
| 15:56.34 | fwtest | http://lists.debian.org/debian-firewall/2001/12/msg00038.html |
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| 15:56.53 | dk58 | France |
| 15:56.58 | dk58 | france |
| 15:57.00 | dk58 | french |
| 15:57.03 | abrotman | solaris00: restart the computer if you can .. or restart lpd |
| 15:57.06 | abrotman | !fr |
| 15:57.06 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:57.17 | solaris00 | abrotman: Do you have any idea? |
| 15:57.22 | abrotman | solaris00: restart the computer if you can .. or restart lpd |
| 15:57.26 | DwyaneWade | yes it is emacs21 indeed, the apt-cache search shows several screens with it, but it doesn't appear in usr/bin. where could it be? |
| 15:57.46 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: apt-cache search --names-only emacs |
| 15:57.51 | dk58 | !fr |
| 15:57.51 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 15:57.58 | dorto | anyone knows apache irc channel or python irc channel? |
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| 15:58.01 | abrotman | dk58: /j #debian-fr |
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| 15:58.13 | abrotman | dorto: #apache and #python .. oddly enough |
| 15:58.14 | fbi | #apache ? |
| 15:58.20 | fbi | imagine that. |
| 15:58.22 | dorto | yeah...got there :) |
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| 15:59.16 | DwyaneWade | yes I saw that abrotman, but how can I access it? if it's installed on my machine shouldn't i find it in some bin folder? |
| 15:59.37 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: dpkg -L emacs21 .. afaik .. it's /usr/bin/emacs21 or some crap |
| 15:59.56 | solaris00 | abrotman: I restarted the service lpd but again appears permissión denied and I checked the lpd directory and the @lpd.lock file was created again. |
| 16:00.06 | chemaja | fwtest: *shrug* i don't follow that discussion. |
| 16:00.14 | abrotman | solaris00: and you're doing lpr file ? |
| 16:00.19 | ecliptik | if I want to compile an app (CVS) with 64bit support, what do I do? |
| 16:00.31 | ecliptik | CVS being the app I am compiling |
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| 16:00.37 | solaris00 | abrotman: rigth, /etc/printcap file |
| 16:00.39 | abrotman | ask #cvs .. maybe ? |
| 16:00.43 | DwyaneWade | it says: Package `emacs21' is not installed. -> so it's not installed after all, but what are all those screens it shows with apt-cache search? |
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| 16:00.52 | ecliptik | abrotman, okay... how about any app then? |
| 16:00.53 | abrotman | ecliptik: do you have a 64bit machine ? |
| 16:01.00 | ecliptik | abrotman, yes |
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| 16:01.06 | yacko | does anyone know how to get ppp working on debian |
| 16:01.08 | abrotman | ecliptik: then it shuld compile as 64bit |
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| 16:01.20 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: shows what is available |
| 16:01.26 | brosio | anyone have usbmount ? |
| 16:01.30 | ecliptik | abrotman, thanks I'll give it a shot |
| 16:01.39 | DwyaneWade | ohh, available on the debian server, not on my computer? damn |
| 16:01.45 | abrotman | ecliptik: could also ask #gcc |
| 16:01.53 | abrotman | DwyaneWade: right .. the packages available to your system |
| 16:01.58 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 16:01.59 | dpkg | somebody said refcard was http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
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| 16:02.10 | solaris00 | abrotman: It was working well but I modified the file and it doesn't work agian. I undo de the change but still doesn't work |
| 16:02.33 | abrotman | solaris00: that suonds .. odd |
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| 16:05.16 | abrotman | maybe it's still printing ? |
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| 16:06.11 | solaris00 | abrotman: when I use the command lpr it doesn't print anything. |
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| 16:06.55 | abrotman | solaris00: if you use .. uhm .. lpq i think it is .. is there anything in the queue ? |
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| 16:09.42 | omry | is there's a tool to snapshot an NTFS partition, which will not store empty space (unline like dd)? |
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| 16:09.55 | omry | unlike |
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| 16:11.15 | solaris00 | abrotman: well, it shows "no entries", but If I put lpr /etc/hosts it shows warning: no daemon present |
| 16:11.27 | solaris00 | abrotman: and the is one job waiting to print. |
| 16:11.43 | abrotman | messed up! |
| 16:12.33 | solaris00 | abrotman: I have to do? |
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| 16:12.45 | solaris00 | abrotman: What Do I have to do? |
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| 16:13.34 | dorto | #apache sends me back to #debian :) |
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| 16:13.52 | solaris00 | abrotman: the service lpd appears when I use ps and I have restarted the service, |
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| 16:14.04 | madclicker | i am running a standalone nameserver on sarge, some doamins can't be resolved. Can someone help a brother? |
| 16:15.19 | Mindship-01 | I used Autopackage to install gScore and now my Debian-menu only contains the Ap programs... How to get my full menu back? |
| 16:16.05 | positrix | Mindship-01: i would have thought by runnig something like update-menus |
| 16:16.21 | Mindship-01 | positrix: didn't work |
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| 16:17.41 | abrotman | solaris00: i'd try purging/reinstall |
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| 16:22.26 | solaris00 | abrotman: I removed lpd and magicfilter and reinstalled them but i still doesn't work. |
| 16:22.47 | solaris00 | abrotman: sorry, it still doesn't work |
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| 16:23.45 | Mindship-01 | positrix: any other idea? |
| 16:23.54 | TurH | i want any oper/staff |
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| 16:24.10 | positrix | Mindship-01: no |
| 16:24.22 | solaris00 | abrotman: What other package do I have to remove? Do you have any idea? |
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| 16:24.30 | Mindship-01 | positrix: k... too bad |
| 16:24.37 | TurH | i want any oper/staff, any one know nick? |
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| 16:25.37 | solaris00 | abrotman:Do you know what daemons need to be running to print? |
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| 16:26.29 | TurH | i want any oper/staff, any one know nick? |
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| 16:26.42 | azeem | TurH: why? |
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| 16:26.57 | TurH | i need to change my vhost |
| 16:27.01 | stew | TurH: network staff can be found with /stats p |
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| 16:27.31 | curt | the debian menu has disappeared (gnome, 2.6, testing) |
| 16:27.45 | azeem | 2.6? |
| 16:27.59 | curt | azeem, kernel |
| 16:28.00 | Segers_J | kernel I'm guessing |
| 16:28.01 | stew | curt: if you are running testing you should be running 2.10 |
| 16:28.05 | azeem | ah |
| 16:28.05 | EmleyMoor | I'm still having trouble nailing my eth0 to 100baseTX-FD - can someone guide me please? I have mii-diag, mii-tool and ethtool installed |
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| 16:28.15 | stew | curt: tried update-menus? |
| 16:28.16 | azeem | curt: I think that is a known issue or something |
| 16:28.21 | curt | stereo, yes |
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| 16:28.25 | solaris00 | abrotman? |
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| 16:28.34 | azeem | curt: do you have menu-xdg, or whatever it is called? |
| 16:28.35 | curt | abrotman, hi |
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| 16:28.54 | curt | azeem, i can check |
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| 16:29.10 | Mindship-01 | where does update-menus get its data? |
| 16:29.26 | Segers_J | solaris00: a litle earlier abrotman said he was going to get food. I think he's afk. |
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| 16:29.39 | EmleyMoor | Mindship-01: /usr/lib/menu, /etc/menu and ~/.menu, in the opposite order |
| 16:29.52 | curt | Mindship-01, /usr/share/applnk ~i think |
| 16:29.59 | Mindship-01 | EmleyMoor: thanks (i like the additive :P) |
| 16:30.12 | azeem | (they are moved /usr/lib/menu -> /usr/share/menu for etch) |
| 16:30.16 | madclicker | i am running a standalone nameserver on sarge, some doamins can't be resolved. Can someone help a brother? |
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| 16:30.40 | Guerin | madclicker: why are you running your own named |
| 16:30.44 | Guerin | ? |
| 16:31.35 | Segers_J | madclicker: maybe there is a #whatever_the_name_of_the_program_is channel that might be more help? |
| 16:31.41 | brullo | madclicker, DNS for intranet? |
| 16:31.46 | solaris00 | abrotman? |
| 16:31.56 | curt | so how do you make the debian menu come back? |
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| 16:32.34 | Mindship-01 | azeem: thanks |
| 16:32.41 | Mindship-01 | curt: do you know? |
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| 16:33.03 | curt | Mindship-01, no, i am trying to figure it out |
| 16:33.11 | Mindship-01 | :P |
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| 16:33.42 | curt | Mindship-01, i installed a few things with synaptic and then it went poof... |
| 16:33.55 | solaris00 | Hi azeem, Do you know what can be wrong? I am using lpr but it doesn't print anything and the syslog shows lpd[]: lp: lock: permission denied. |
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| 16:34.05 | Mindship-01 | curt: you do have updte-menus installed? |
| 16:34.12 | curt | yes |
| 16:34.19 | curt | doesn't do anything |
| 16:34.21 | azeem | solaris00: are you in the right group? |
| 16:34.25 | curt | maybe if i reboot |
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| 16:34.32 | curt | be right back |
| 16:34.40 | relaxed | curt: "dpkg-reconfigure dialog" ? |
| 16:34.40 | azeem | curt: that shouldn't matter |
| 16:34.41 | EmleyMoor | curt: Are you running it as yourself? |
| 16:34.47 | solaris00 | azeem: I am tryinglike root |
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| 16:34.55 | azeem | solaris00: oh |
| 16:35.05 | solaris00 | azeem: the strange is when is use lpq |
| 16:35.08 | azeem | solaris00: well sorry, I don't know much about this |
| 16:35.19 | jahrules | yeah linux isnt windows... reboot doesnt solve problems |
| 16:35.37 | curt | relaxed, /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: dialog is not installed |
| 16:35.44 | solaris00 | azeem: thank you |
| 16:35.57 | solaris00 | abrotman? |
| 16:35.58 | curt | EmleyMoor, no as root |
| 16:36.02 | EmleyMoor | I'm still only getting 10Mbps HD on a network I know is capable of 100 FD but only if nailed. How do I nail eth0 on my machine? |
| 16:36.07 | EmleyMoor | curt: Run it as yourself |
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| 16:36.48 | i5513 | hi |
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| 16:37.26 | curt | EmleyMoor, it thinks a second when i run update-menus as myself but still no debian menu |
| 16:37.39 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm...# |
| 16:37.53 | i5513 | could anyone tell me where can I find information about the freeze process in debian? thx |
| 16:37.59 | curt | reboot, be right back |
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| 16:39.26 | i5513 | we are newbies about qa and want to do new distro based on debian |
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| 16:40.28 | curt | if I knew that was all it would take... |
| 16:40.32 | curt | success |
| 16:40.45 | Mindship-01 | curt: what??? |
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| 16:41.07 | curt | Mindship-01, i rebooted and boom there it was |
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| 16:41.23 | Mindship-01 | curt: didn't work for me :'( |
| 16:41.32 | curt | Mindship-01, i have no idea |
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| 16:41.59 | curt | Mindship-01, i installed dialog and ran update-menus |
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| 16:42.09 | Mindship-01 | hmmz, I got it back |
| 16:42.17 | Mindship-01 | but should I report a bug? |
| 16:42.19 | dondelelcaro | is someone aware of a reasonable service watchdog? [Ie, something to track whether a service is up, and restart it if it is down?] |
| 16:42.24 | curt | Mindship-01, how did you get it back |
| 16:42.37 | Mindship-01 | EmleyMoor: I got my menu back by running update-menus as root... |
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| 16:42.44 | Mindship-01 | that shouldn't be right... |
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| 16:43.05 | Mindship-01 | (glad to have it back though :) ) |
| 16:43.06 | curt | Mindship-01, i ran it as both root and myself but didn't get it back until i rebooted |
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| 16:43.18 | dondelelcaro | (something like daemontools, I guess... without the sucktitude) |
| 16:43.22 | Mindship-01 | curt: rebooting is a windows thing |
| 16:43.43 | curt | why don't the apps just install into the menu in the regular place |
| 16:43.48 | Ries | hey all, I have compiled a module that I need to load like this: modprobe -f ipt_ipp2p, how can I tell on startup to force the load of this module? |
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| 16:43.57 | EmleyMoor | curt: What's "regular"? |
| 16:43.59 | curt | Mindship-01, i didn't have the menu before i rebooted... |
| 16:44.33 | curt | EmleyMoor, like debian/games to just be in the /games |
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| 16:45.55 | simy | does anybody know how to tell ipopd where my mail is (i have it in /home/foo/Mailbox |
| 16:46.00 | curt | like i installed xchat and i have it in the internet menu and twice in the debian/apps/net menu |
| 16:46.05 | simy | or perhaps where it looks? |
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| 16:46.38 | wathek | hello all |
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| 16:46.50 | hector | hola |
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| 16:47.17 | hector | help |
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| 16:47.29 | xsdg | what's the standard way of using cdrecord to write to an ATAPI cd recorder? |
| 16:47.39 | xsdg | hector: mejor obtener ayuda en #debian-es |
| 16:47.47 | hector | ok |
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| 16:48.09 | simy | whats a good pop3/imap server? |
| 16:48.25 | xsdg | simy: I like dovecot (haven't used pop, though) |
| 16:48.43 | simy | xsdg can you tell it which directory your mail is in? |
| 16:48.53 | simy | because mine is setup to be in /home/simy/Mailbox |
| 16:49.08 | curt | xsdg, i use xcdroast |
| 16:49.22 | xsdg | simy: /home/~user/somewhere (I haven't actually touched it in ages) |
| 16:49.28 | xsdg | simy: maildir |
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| 16:49.37 | xsdg | curt: oh, I meant directly using cdrecord :o) |
| 16:49.56 | simy | ok... |
| 16:50.01 | simy | so the capital M would mess me up then? |
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| 16:50.39 | xsdg | simy: dunno |
| 16:50.48 | simy | lol ok, ill google it:) |
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| 16:50.55 | xsdg | sorry; it's been a while |
| 16:50.57 | curt | xsdg, that's why i like xcdroast cdrecord has too many options |
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| 16:53.39 | curt | funny thing is now i have two entries for each program in my debian menu |
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| 16:54.13 | simy | xsdg its ok, google gives alot more answers anways, lol |
| 16:54.21 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here know how to set it up so that my machine uses a static ip? |
| 16:54.29 | xsdg | cool |
| 16:54.45 | solaris00 | abrotman? |
| 16:54.48 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: just edit /etc/network/interfaces; man 5 interfaces. |
| 16:55.00 | TwistedEmotions | I have a internal ip, netmask, default gateway, dns, and external ip. |
| 16:55.07 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 16:58.28 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: where it asks for 'address- Address (dotted quad) required'... is it talking about my internal or external ip? |
| 16:58.38 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: I think I setup with internal.. |
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| 16:59.43 | stew | TwistedEmotions: internal |
| 16:59.57 | TwistedEmotions | kk ty. |
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| 17:00.27 | abrotman | solaris00: yes? |
| 17:00.30 | abrotman | curt: hi |
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| 17:02.24 | Arsion | got a problem: everytime i attempt to mount my cdrom and ls it, i get this: ls: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLI BC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference. |
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| 17:03.04 | curt | abrotman, hello |
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| 17:03.35 | Arsion | actually |
| 17:03.39 | Mars_^ | Hi |
| 17:03.41 | Mars_^ | I need help |
| 17:03.43 | Arsion | i get that error everytime i use ls |
| 17:03.47 | Mars_^ | in installing dance pad |
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| 17:03.59 | Mars_^ | can someone help me? |
| 17:04.02 | curt | abrotman, i want to be a programmer and make apps in c or c++ but i have to schooling in programming, where should i start |
| 17:04.27 | abrotman | curt: you want to know if you should use c or C++ ? |
| 17:04.39 | Arsion | i get this error on tar as well |
| 17:04.52 | abrotman | Arsion: which version of debian ? |
| 17:05.02 | Arsion | 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 17:05.11 | abrotman | Arsion: which version of debian ? |
| 17:05.14 | curt | abrotman, i think c++ is the way to go, but I have no programming knowledge and wan to know where to start :-) |
| 17:05.20 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.20 | TwistedEmotions | ifcare ath0 inet static |
| 17:05.20 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:05.41 | abrotman | curt: do you have funds to buy a book? |
| 17:06.04 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: netmask .. not netmark |
| 17:06.04 | curt | abrotman, by the way, my debian menu disappeared and when i got it to return there are now two entries for each menu item... |
| 17:06.14 | abrotman | curt: update-menus might fix it |
| 17:06.15 | Arsion | abrotman: 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 17:06.22 | MatsX | Hi all! I'm trying to install Sarge on a Proliant DL380G4 (SA6i-raid controller) but the grub-installer fails. I've chrooted to /target and been running grub-install manually and tried some different settings in device.map. It seems that the cciss driver does'nt play very well with grub-installer. Any tips or pointers? |
| 17:06.24 | abrotman | Arsion: that's not a version of debian .. that's a kernel version |
| 17:06.24 | curt | abrotman, yes, i have money, what's a good book? |
| 17:06.25 | stew | Arsion: thats your kernel version, not your debian version |
| 17:06.30 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha.. even it etc files I cant spell.. |
| 17:06.41 | abrotman | !apostrophesmite stew |
| 17:06.41 | stew | Arsion: are you running stable? testing? knoppic? |
| 17:06.44 | curt | abrotman, update-menus might have gotten me two entries to begin with |
| 17:06.52 | abrotman | curt: i'd try it again .. |
| 17:07.08 | abrotman | curt: let me think about a C++ book .. i have a few .. but mine are mostly dietel and dietel |
| 17:07.20 | curt | abrotman, as root or not as root? |
| 17:07.20 | TwistedEmotions | and is there some place to deal with DNS? I dont see it in man file... also I guess I dont need to plugin the external ip anywhere? |
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| 17:07.39 | Arsion | stew: stable |
| 17:07.40 | abrotman | curt: probably as root .. but you'd have to logout/in again |
| 17:07.45 | abrotman | 2.6.12 is not in stable |
| 17:07.47 | stew | Arsion: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" report? |
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| 17:07.59 | curt | abrotman, be right back then |
| 17:08.14 | Arsion | stew: thats what i was attempting to upgrade when all this happened |
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| 17:08.26 | Arsion | stew: kept getting errors when i tried |
| 17:08.30 | stew | Arsion: you were trying to upgrade to testing? |
| 17:08.38 | Arsion | stew: yes |
| 17:08.49 | jair | guys, I am installing debian stable 3.1 in a dual boot with windows |
| 17:09.03 | jair | anyone here have a tutorial or how to I can refer to? |
| 17:09.14 | abrotman | the install guide sohuld be fine |
| 17:09.16 | abrotman | !ig |
| 17:09.16 | dpkg | hmm... ig is the install guide for stable: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for woody (oldstable): http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual |
| 17:09.17 | Ronin | jair: burn iso, insert cd, reboot |
| 17:09.20 | stew | Arsion: and what did you do? what happened during the upgrade? |
| 17:09.33 | bcc_ | is there a way to create an x display that is not displayed anywhere at all? |
| 17:09.42 | Arsion | stew: libc6 reports version 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 17:09.50 | Mars_^ | How can i compile module in to kernel? |
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| 17:10.06 | jair | Ronin, right but I have already win xp on the mahcine, I did the installation leaving around 6GB for debian |
| 17:10.08 | wsilva | people |
| 17:10.23 | jair | Ronin, will be a dual boot remember |
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| 17:10.40 | error403 | Is it technically possible to mount multiple partitions to a single point so that data is written to all of them? |
| 17:11.02 | abrotman | jair: install windows first .. then install Debian |
| 17:11.07 | Arsion | stew: i'm having to upgrade everything stand-alone so i could get my wlan card to work. Was running fine til i went to dpkg -i libc6. It asked me to shut down gdm first. I did so and then it gave me some error. I was told by someone in here that it sounded like the deb on the cd was bad |
| 17:11.16 | TwistedEmotions | Err... it's not working ;( Help? I typed everything in... then I ifconfig ath0 down.. then iconfig ath up... then dhclient ath0... still not static ip |
| 17:11.17 | dogmeat | i get an Debootstrap Error during debian 'Install the base system', "No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch Check /var/log/messages or see virtual console 3 for details." |
| 17:11.31 | stew | Arsion: what about coreutils? what version is that? have you tried "apt-get -f install" ? |
| 17:11.50 | jair | abrotman, thank you |
| 17:11.51 | stew | Arsion: you were trying to dpkg -l which version of libc6? |
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| 17:11.56 | Arsion | stew: apt-get wont work since i dont have a internet connection |
| 17:11.57 | stew | err dpkg -i... |
| 17:11.59 | jair | abrotman, it is anything special I have to do? |
| 17:12.01 | wersh | whereis mozilla activeX player in apt? |
| 17:12.03 | abrotman | jair: not really |
| 17:12.12 | wersh | activex control* |
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| 17:12.15 | jair | abrotman, for example when I am prompt to install grub I say yes |
| 17:12.16 | Arsion | stew: the one a package called for libc6_2.3.5-6_i386.deb |
| 17:12.18 | TwistedEmotions | actually... I shouldn't need to dhclient right? How do I just get it to force the ISP to pickup the internal ip? |
| 17:12.18 | stjepan | hello |
| 17:12.27 | abrotman | jair: it should detect windows for you .. and make the correct entry |
| 17:12.36 | jair | abrotman, and that will be the boot loader of both systems right? |
| 17:12.42 | jair | ohh ok |
| 17:12.42 | Mortalman[bum] | error403: Kinda, there's software raid. |
| 17:12.46 | Mortalman[bum] | bbl |
| 17:12.47 | stjepan | What's there on Debians two DVD's? Are there many programs? Is there eclipse? |
| 17:12.47 | abrotman | jair: should be .. read the install guide |
| 17:13.00 | Masonary | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.00 | jair | ohh ok there is talking about a dual boot? |
| 17:13.03 | abrotman | stjepan: no .. i don't think eclipse is there |
| 17:13.06 | stew | Arsion: i don't think upgrading from stable to testing by running dpkg -i on individual debs is going to work, there is a lot of stuff that needs to be upgraded in parallel, |
| 17:13.09 | abrotman | Masonary: wrong channel |
| 17:13.10 | jair | abrotman, ok I will though |
| 17:13.14 | whaq|away | gentlemen.. |
| 17:13.21 | Masonary | abrotman, sorry, mistype |
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| 17:13.28 | Masonary | abrotman, i menat debian. I run both |
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| 17:13.34 | whaq|away | how are we doing? how many other unrightful distros have the debian movement demolished this past month...? |
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| 17:13.35 | Arsion | stew: yeah, which is why i ended up downloading about 100+ debs from the server and put onto a cd |
| 17:13.36 | abrotman | Masonary: dpkg -l |
| 17:13.41 | eeyore- | morning |
| 17:13.46 | abrotman | curt: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131857576/qid=1128704837/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-5959429-4256854?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 |
| 17:13.48 | stjepan | I have two DVD's. What's on it? Is there java? Are there many programs or not? |
| 17:13.49 | Masonary | abrotman, thankyas |
| 17:13.53 | abrotman | curt: it's a decent book .. look around for others though |
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| 17:14.04 | stew | Arsion: why not try "apt-get -f install"? |
| 17:14.07 | curt | abrotman, interestingly enough, as root i only had one menu item for each app but as 'ME' i have two |
| 17:14.20 | stew | Arsion: and why not use apt-get instead of dpkg -i? |
| 17:14.21 | abrotman | stjepan: java cannot be redistrubted .. so says Sun |
| 17:14.26 | curt | abrotman, but just in the debian menu not the base menu |
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| 17:14.32 | Arsion | stew: apt-get wont work since i dont have a internet connection (repost) |
| 17:14.38 | abrotman | curt: that's a wee bit odd .. try the update-menus as yourself |
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| 17:14.57 | stew | Arsion: apt-get doesn't need an internet connection, you could use apt-cdrom, or a local repository |
| 17:15.08 | curt | abrotman, did that and it does 'think' a second but no changes |
| 17:15.21 | Arsion | stew: all i have is a pcmcia wireless internet card. i needed to upgrade the box inorder to install its driver |
| 17:15.25 | abrotman | curt: you might have to remove one of the . folders .. though i'm not sure which |
| 17:15.40 | stew | Arsion: you don't need to upgrade to testing to use your pcmcia card |
| 17:15.42 | Arsion | stew: apt-cdrom doesnt work unless you actually make a Package file |
| 17:16.06 | abrotman | !menu |
| 17:16.06 | dpkg | menu is, like, the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 17:16.18 | stjepan | OK, are there many programs on Debain DVDs, like SuSE and Fedora have many many many programs???? |
| 17:16.26 | stew | Arsion: correct. then use apt-move or apt-zip |
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| 17:16.34 | azeem | stjepan: yes |
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| 17:16.40 | stew | Arsion: but why do you think you need to upgrade to testing? |
| 17:16.41 | curt | abrotman, something in /usr/shar/menus |
| 17:16.51 | nvz | stjepan: debian has more software than both of them combined I bet |
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| 17:16.56 | abrotman | curt: read /etc/menu/README .. see if there are any hints |
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| 17:17.12 | Arsion | stew: i've always used testing. just a personal preferance *shrugs* |
| 17:17.55 | stew | Arsion: so why not get your netowrk working in sarge then upgrade? |
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| 17:18.26 | stjepan | azeem: more or less than on Fedora/SuSE?? |
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| 17:18.42 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
| 17:18.44 | Arsion | stew: cause I was at 2.4 when i started upgrading and since i had to upgrade to 2.6 for the driver...i figured i would take care of it all at once |
| 17:18.45 | azeem | stjepan: yes, except there is only Free Software on it |
| 17:18.50 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
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| 17:19.00 | b16lwt | hi room |
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| 17:19.04 | nvz | !ROOM |
| 17:19.04 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 17:19.10 | stew | Arsion: and you are running 2.6 now. why doesn't the network work? |
| 17:19.35 | nvz | !ROOM ROOM ROOM |
| 17:19.41 | stjepan | azeem: OK, I understand, tnx |
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| 17:19.41 | nvz | that would be funny |
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| 17:19.50 | Arsion | stew: cause i need to actually configure, make, and install it first |
| 17:19.57 | chrysopa | Hi, my gimp menu in debian testing is gonne? How to print from the gimp now??? |
| 17:20.07 | micka_ | man groff display : ^@~^Ygroff and �^@~^Y ? i use a utf-8 encoding |
| 17:20.10 | bgw23 | does anyone know how to make a debian box authenticate off a windows domain? |
| 17:20.16 | chrysopa | Hi, my gimp print menu in debian testing is gonne? How to print from the gimp now??? |
| 17:20.17 | stew | 13:06 < Arsion> abrotman: 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 17:20.20 | yff | i have problem installing mysql server as a deb file... some dependecies problems... what do i do now ?? im newbie |
| 17:20.26 | stew | Arsion: were you not actually running that kernel? |
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| 17:20.45 | nvz | chrysopa: thats funny |
| 17:20.51 | micka_ | S�^@~^Yil |
| 17:20.53 | yff | i have tried to uninstall and reinstall |
| 17:21.04 | yff | with apt-get nothing seems to work :-/ |
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| 17:21.52 | stew | chrysopa: /msg dpkg why is gimp-print not in testing |
| 17:21.52 | micka_ | man usr utf8 but groff iso where is a problem ''' """ """""" """ |
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| 17:22.01 | Arsion | stew: no, i am running on 2.4.27-2-386 right now. wasnt going to boot into the new version til libc6 was installed |
| 17:22.05 | micka_ | why not view a """ """ ''''' |
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| 17:22.11 | lokita | ola |
| 17:22.18 | lokita | ai alhgun español por ai? |
| 17:22.30 | Mars__^ | polish only :P |
| 17:22.39 | nvz | chrysopa: anyhow I will refrain from making fun of you, cause I am a yinzer so.. lets just get on with the important information. What version of gimp are you using? |
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| 17:23.22 | wsilva | Hi everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:23.26 | EdgEy_ | hum |
| 17:23.31 | wsilva | So, i have a notebook here.............................. |
| 17:23.35 | petemc | awful, just awful |
| 17:23.36 | stew | wsilva: stop |
| 17:23.37 | EdgEy_ | i'm going to go buy a usb2 pci card soon, any brand i should avoid? |
| 17:23.38 | chrysopa | nvz, gimp 2.2.8-10 |
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| 17:23.51 | wsilva | sorry stew! |
| 17:23.52 | nvz | chrysopa: are you sure? |
| 17:23.57 | Ronin | and a broken keyboard too wsilva :) |
| 17:24.02 | stew | !why is gimp-print not in testing |
| 17:24.03 | dpkg | gimp-print is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gimp-print |
| 17:24.07 | wsilva | :-) |
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| 17:24.16 | chrysopa | yes, dpkg -l gimp = ii gimp 2.2.8-10 |
| 17:24.24 | dupondje | hi guys, i have nfs server running with 8 clients, but if i shutdown the server, the clients sometimes kernel panic :s any id how to fix that ? |
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| 17:24.30 | MegaHambone | hey guys - my debian machine no longer resolves dns. I've got the right entries in resolv.conf - is there a service I should restart or look over? |
| 17:24.31 | stew | chrysopa: you have to pull the gimp-print from unstable |
| 17:24.37 | chrysopa | But I dont have gimp-print istalled |
| 17:24.45 | chrysopa | humm |
| 17:24.50 | wsilva | and i cant set my synapcts driver |
| 17:24.50 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.53 | dogmeat | during install, it attempted to insmod floppy, then said "modprobe: failed to load module floppy No matching physical volumes found No volume groups found Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... " it's trying insmod floppy, but this machine has no floppy drive, so is there a way to by pass this during install? |
| 17:24.54 | chrysopa | I try |
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| 17:24.55 | wsilva | properly |
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| 17:25.09 | petemc | xerophyte: url? |
| 17:25.34 | Masonary | MegaHambone, you have default route and ip address configured, and have opened up the DNS port outgoing in your firewall? |
| 17:25.38 | wsilva | so, anyone can send the xfreeconf4 settings? |
| 17:25.44 | MegaHambone | Masonary: yup. |
| 17:25.45 | nvz | chrysopa: http://bugs.debian.org/322480 and http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gimp-print |
| 17:25.53 | TwistedEmotions | Err.. restarted and everything and it still doesnt work.. any ideas? Am I suppose to run command dhclient ath0 or no? |
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| 17:26.07 | MegaHambone | this box has been working for a year now, I rebooted, and suddenly no dns resolution. |
| 17:26.27 | stew | TwistedEmotions: ifup ath0 |
| 17:26.29 | Masonary | MegaHambone, dns not working for all apps? or just for www, ftp, ssh? |
| 17:26.35 | MegaHambone | all apps. |
| 17:26.41 | stew | MegaHambone: man resolv.conf |
| 17:26.50 | Masonary | MegaHambone, you sure your entry in resolv.conf is up? |
| 17:26.55 | quittt | do you know a fast mp3 player that can make an album database? |
| 17:27.03 | TwistedEmotions | /etc/network/interfaces:19: misplaced option |
| 17:27.04 | TwistedEmotions | ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces" |
| 17:27.07 | TwistedEmotions | shit |
| 17:27.10 | dupondje | hi guys, i have nfs server running with 8 clients, but if i shutdown the server, the clients sometimes kernel panic :s any id how to fix that ? |
| 17:27.13 | TwistedEmotions | my file is wrong.. brb |
| 17:27.15 | MegaHambone | Masonary: i just copied it over to my windows machine and it worked perfect. |
| 17:27.16 | yff | masonary : how can i remove mysql-server if problems with apt-get and dependecies ? |
| 17:27.16 | stew | quittt: fast mp3 player? you like chipmonk sounding music? |
| 17:27.31 | b16lwt | how do u find room to chat in |
| 17:27.32 | Masonary | yff, no clue |
| 17:27.35 | donw | MegaHambone: If you try and go to 'http://216.239.37.99', do you get Google? |
| 17:27.37 | yff | anyone ? |
| 17:27.41 | quittt | stew, I mean fast in adding files to database |
| 17:27.44 | quittt | I have tons of mp3s |
| 17:27.50 | quittt | and rhytmbox cant take them |
| 17:27.50 | donw | yff: More details. |
| 17:27.50 | MegaHambone | donw: yes. |
| 17:28.06 | stew | < TwistedEmotions> address 10.0.XX.XX netmark 255.255.252.X gateway 10.0.XX.XX |
| 17:28.08 | yff | donw : i cant install mysql-server it says the following : |
| 17:28.12 | stew | TwistedEmotions: did you actually have those on one line? |
| 17:28.20 | donw | MegaHambone: /msg me a copy of your resolv.conf, please. |
| 17:28.24 | EdgEy_ | if i go any buy a usb2 pci card now, it will work right... cmon there must be some chipset to avoid i don't want a non working card |
| 17:28.25 | Masonary | MegaHambone, you can ping, or visit a website from that box with an ip address? its definitely dns? |
| 17:28.26 | dupondje | somebody plz help me :) |
| 17:28.37 | Masonary | MegaHambone, cos I cant think of anything |
| 17:28.37 | MegaHambone | 100% definetly dns. |
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| 17:28.41 | syntaxx | apt-cache search splashy doesnt give me any output do i need to add testing or unstable? |
| 17:28.42 | yff | donw : please see #flood |
| 17:28.42 | Masonary | dupondje, nobody knows, or you would get an answer |
| 17:28.45 | usuari_ | ola |
| 17:28.49 | donw | join #flood |
| 17:28.58 | TwistedEmotions | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 17:29.05 | donw | yff: Resend, bitt. |
| 17:29.12 | usuari_ | ai alguien ai para hablar en privado o que hable en español por favor |
| 17:29.14 | yff | one moment pls |
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| 17:29.16 | usuari_ | ¿?¿? |
| 17:29.18 | TwistedEmotions | stew: wireless internal ip. |
| 17:29.19 | stew | TwistedEmotions: i've got nothing i really feel like pastiing, but thanks :) |
| 17:29.35 | TwistedEmotions | stew: hahahah http://channels.debian.net/paste/863 |
| 17:29.37 | TwistedEmotions | sorry ;) |
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| 17:29.46 | jjazz | !es |
| 17:29.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:29.52 | xerophyte | petemc, * 0Spam.com stops spam in an efficient way requiring little effor * You can protect Yahoo! Mail, Hotmail and Gmail accounts with 0Spam.com |
| 17:29.54 | yff | donw : back ...got kicked |
| 17:30.02 | usuari_ | ola |
| 17:30.03 | stew | TwistedEmotions: ifcare ath0 inet static <- you mean iface |
| 17:30.06 | yff | did you get my msg on #flood? |
| 17:30.12 | curt | abrotman, menu-method shows both rootprefix="/var/lib/gnome/Debian/" userprefix=".gnome/apps" and the menus are the same for both, maybe they are both being used |
| 17:30.15 | usuari_ | gwvdfñideñ.-udozes |
| 17:30.24 | abrotman | curt: perhaps |
| 17:30.30 | donw | yff: No. |
| 17:30.30 | abrotman | usuari_: #debian-es |
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| 17:30.59 | donw | What's funny is that portions of usari's message are showing up in Japanese characters in my client. *grin* |
| 17:31.30 | TwistedEmotions | stew: is that the only thing wrong? Also If I dont want eth0 to look for a IP through dhcp when the computer boots what line do I take out? |
| 17:31.34 | nvz | there are some downright stupid wishlist bugs for gimp |
| 17:31.48 | stew | TwistedEmotions: auto eth0 |
| 17:31.48 | bgw23 | does anyone know how to make a debian box authenticate off of an active directory server? |
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| 17:32.00 | concept10 | what is the best way to ensure a bunch of packages are installed? i.e. irb1.8 irb postgresql ruby1.8-dev libcfgi-ruby1.8 libfcgi0 dpkg -l ? |
| 17:32.06 | stew | TwistedEmotions: auto means bring it up when networking comes up |
| 17:32.17 | TwistedEmotions | Ahh kk. |
| 17:32.26 | bgw23 | i follwed this guide, but it didnt work, probably because it was for SuSe not debian |
| 17:32.29 | bgw23 | http://www.wown.com/articles_tutorials/Authenticating-Linux-Active-Directory.html |
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| 17:33.06 | micka_ | do you have a good finf in man ? |
| 17:33.12 | micka_ | do you have a good font in man ? |
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| 17:33.34 | valdyn | !confuse micka_ |
| 17:33.35 | dpkg | Yes, how are their gouda yesterday, micka_? trousers of the democracy of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
| 17:33.39 | TwistedEmotions | stew: so now I just run ifup ath0 and it will automatically connect me with the external ip? |
| 17:33.57 | micka_ | groff it' : ^@~^Ygroff it�^@~^Y |
| 17:34.02 | stew | TwistedEmotions: thats wireless? you should probably have some wireles_ entries in there |
| 17:34.16 | micka_ | and no 'groof' |
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| 17:34.32 | TwistedEmotions | stew: I didnt see any wireless options in man... |
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| 17:34.35 | micka_ | !confuse |
| 17:34.35 | stew | TwistedEmotions: like wireless_essid youressid ; maybe wireless_key sekrit |
| 17:34.39 | yff | how do i tell debian do make a clean install of mysql and remove any dependecies errors ? |
| 17:35.03 | yff | these dependecies erorrs does that i cant install mysql |
| 17:35.03 | valdyn | yff: which dependency errors? |
| 17:35.06 | stew | TwistedEmotions: man wireless ; man interfaces ; if you would normally use "iwconfig ath0 foo bar" then put "wireless_foo bar" in interfaces |
| 17:35.12 | valdyn | yff: in which debian release? |
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| 17:35.16 | yff | waldyn : what info do you need ? |
| 17:35.22 | yff | debian sarge |
| 17:35.30 | valdyn | yff: the complete error(s) |
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| 17:35.41 | yff | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 17:35.41 | yff | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
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| 17:35.54 | valdyn | yff: now that isnt a dependency error |
| 17:35.58 | yff | I have tried to remoce mysql completely |
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| 17:36.09 | yff | well... icant get mysql to run |
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| 17:36.27 | yff | neither can i get it completely uninstalled |
| 17:36.29 | jjazz | yff, is mysql running? What happens when you do /etc/init.d/mysql start? |
| 17:36.34 | valdyn | yff: apt-get install mysql-server |
| 17:36.37 | yff | so i can make a clean mysql installation |
| 17:36.37 | stew | yff: 4.1? check the bts. often thats an unsupporeted "old_passwords" option |
| 17:36.45 | yff | valdyn : doesnt work |
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| 17:37.01 | stew | yff: what version of mysql-server / mysql-server-4.1? |
| 17:37.03 | yff | stew : what do you man ? |
| 17:37.05 | micka_ | locale i have utf8 |
| 17:37.08 | valdyn | yff: thats vague, what does not 'work' ? |
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| 17:37.16 | yff | stew : im newbie.... |
| 17:37.16 | valdyn | !doesnt work |
| 17:37.21 | micka_ | man manager from most âger ? |
| 17:37.25 | micka_ | man manager from most pager ? |
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| 17:37.41 | micka_ | how modifi this maybe the pager most no is utf8 |
| 17:37.49 | yff | valdyn : i cant start mysql.... and i have looked in my.cnf for an old password that didnt help me either |
| 17:37.49 | AzzE | hi i need help i want to download debian and there is 2 things ...http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-dvd/ witch one do i need? or something like that =) |
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| 17:38.03 | nvz | bgw23: many articles like that http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3487081 come up googling http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Active+Directory%22+Debian&btnG=Google+Search |
| 17:38.27 | kschulen | can anyone help me with the intel i910 drivers? i sort of get it to work but only on an external monitor and not on the lcd of the laptop |
| 17:38.29 | stew | yff: what version of mysql-server do you have installed? "dpkg -l mysql-server mysql-server-4.1 |
| 17:38.41 | nvz | bgw23: you more than likely need to figure out specifically what you dont understand and ask the samba people. |
| 17:38.42 | neocorp | hello everyone , I have problems with new kernel 2.6.12.5 , every program I try to launch , I get this message : "No such file or directory" |
| 17:38.46 | yff | stew : thanks... one moment pls |
| 17:38.46 | neocorp | what happens ? :/ |
| 17:38.54 | valdyn | yff: you need to tell us the error message if you want precise help, "i cant do this or that" does not provide useful info. to completely remove mysql try 'apt-get remove --purge mysql-common' |
| 17:39.16 | yff | stew : ill dump result in #flood |
| 17:39.25 | ahc | Hi, I changed my xorg.conf video driver "nv" to "nvidia" , and xorg works but auto login to a gnome session isn't working. Does anyone know if this is a nvidia bug? I'm using 1.0-7174 nvidia driver. |
| 17:39.30 | valdyn | neocorp: example |
| 17:39.40 | yff | valdyn : ill try and thanks |
| 17:39.42 | yff | :) |
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| 17:39.57 | kschulen | can anyone help me with the intel i910 drivers? i sort of get it to work but only on an external monitor and not on the lcd of the laptop |
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| 17:40.11 | neocorp | valdyn > like shoutcast , if I try to launch with ./sc_serv , he says "no such file or directory" |
| 17:40.15 | neocorp | same for .bin files |
| 17:40.17 | neocorp | etc |
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| 17:40.36 | abrotman | mounted noexec ? |
| 17:40.49 | neocorp | hm |
| 17:41.01 | AzzE | hi i need help i want to download debian and there is 2 different things ... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/bt-dvd/ witch one do i need? or something like that =) plz help |
| 17:41.06 | nvz | bgw23: this company wants to send you a free whitepaper for specifically your needs http://www.centrify.com/request.asp?o=1&c=3&f=29 |
| 17:41.12 | nvz | heh |
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| 17:41.28 | neocorp | I will see, thank you, sorry for the disturbance |
| 17:41.29 | kg4wxw | hello to all |
| 17:41.33 | neocorp | bye and thanks for help |
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| 17:41.51 | kg4wxw | does any one in here know of any good wifi repeators posabily rack mount? |
| 17:41.57 | kschulen | can anyone help me with the intel i910 drivers? i sort of get it to work but only on an external monitor and not on the lcd of the laptop. The laptop lcd is just black or i can ocasionally get a clone display but the lcd has a bunch of lines on the top of the lcd all messed up...any help would be great |
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| 17:42.20 | nvz | AzzE: do you have an internet connection on the box you are installing debian on? |
| 17:42.31 | AzzE | yes |
| 17:42.39 | nvz | AzzE: what type of connection? |
| 17:42.44 | abrotman | kschulen: which version of debian ? |
| 17:42.45 | AzzE | 10 |
| 17:42.55 | nvz | AzzE: 10BaseT ethernet LAN? |
| 17:42.56 | valdyn | ahc: as soon as X can start your error already has nothing at all to do with the nvidia driver. |
| 17:43.05 | kschulen | abrot: sarge3.1 |
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| 17:43.14 | AzzE | yeah |
| 17:43.32 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 17:43.32 | dpkg | sarge hardware support is, like, reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 17:43.52 | nvz | AzzE: then all you need is the netinstall disc you can fetch all the software packages from the net as you need or want them. I have virtually nothing installed on my systems. I fetch packages as I need them |
| 17:43.56 | ircops | damn lag |
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| 17:44.01 | Masonary | guys, how can I get my default route set up automaticaly at boot. eth0 is configured correctly and brought up, so I can see the local net, but I dont have the gw set on boot |
| 17:44.04 | madclicker | i am running a standalone nameserver on sarge, some doamins can't be resolved. Can someone help a brother? |
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| 17:44.20 | TwistedEmotions | stew: I added the line wireless-essid hdn at the bottom of the interfaces file.. that's the only option that I normaly use with my wireless card anyways... only thing I dont get is how to get debian to recognize that the ip is internal and to use the interfaces file.. it works with dhclient but gives me a random ip... how do I get it to use the interfaces file? ifup ath0 gives me ifup: interface ath0 already configured |
| 17:44.30 | AzzE | ill try that =) |
| 17:44.40 | nvz | AzzE: there is no need to download ~15,000 packages at 8GB+ compressed just to only install 500 of them using less than 1gb on your system |
| 17:44.50 | ahc | valdyn: thanks for your reply!! Do you know why gdm.conf doesn't work, since AutomaiticLogin funktion has in somehow been override, because I end up with gdmgreeter each time I boot. |
| 17:45.19 | AzzE | ty ty bye bye =) |
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| 17:45.23 | stew | TwistedEmotions: ifdown ath0 ; ifup ath0 ; or /etc/init.d/networing restart |
| 17:45.26 | yacyac | where to place gtk themes |
| 17:45.38 | TwistedEmotions | ahh kk. |
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| 17:45.50 | ircops | hmmm |
| 17:45.56 | madclicker | Guerin, you there? |
| 17:46.01 | kschulen | great so i am screwed on getting the damn 910 working.....weird thing is is that it works just not for the lcd....works just fine with an external monitor |
| 17:46.03 | Arsion | stew: question. seems like the installs ruined it all. even if i type in apt-get it gives me that error |
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| 17:46.18 | ircops | anybody experiencing lag on brown ? |
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| 17:46.33 | MoRLoCh | Masonary: if you use static address on your eth0, in /etc/network/interfaces, under the eth0 stanza, add gateway <gw ip addr> |
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| 17:46.55 | Arsion | lets see, ircops, tell me when ya see this |
| 17:47.06 | nvz | ircops: UPS (brown) always lags :P |
| 17:47.10 | ircops | 3now |
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| 17:47.11 | Masonary | MoRLoCh, thanks, thats what ive just done, glad to get it confired |
| 17:47.12 | ircops | lol |
| 17:47.14 | Masonary | confirmed |
| 17:47.16 | ircops | (useless) |
| 17:47.19 | Arsion | a little, but not much |
| 17:47.19 | ircops | heh |
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| 17:47.19 | stew | Arsion: maybe dpkg -i the old libc6 |
| 17:47.25 | ircops | nvz: what's another freenode server? |
| 17:47.26 | MoRLoCh | Masonary: heh |
| 17:47.40 | ircops | I mean, really, what can brown do for me? |
| 17:47.42 | ircops | heh |
| 17:47.49 | ecidadania15 | ggg |
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| 17:47.59 | ecidadania15 | oi |
| 17:48.02 | Schiz0 | I'm getting a problem getting lm-sensors working....I installed the package and ran sensors-detect as root, then ran sensors, and it says no sensors found |
| 17:48.08 | nvz | ircops: in what country? |
| 17:48.10 | ecidadania15 | oi |
| 17:48.15 | ircops | nvz: SE United States |
| 17:48.23 | ecidadania15 | oi |
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| 17:48.28 | ircops | heh |
| 17:48.33 | Masonary | owned |
| 17:48.33 | Arsion | stew: i am heading out to the store to buy a wired pcmcia network card, i may be forced to reinstall debian, how do I do such, without anything that can boot a boot disk? dpkg doesnt work, dies with errors |
| 17:48.35 | nvz | ircops: benford is in Tampa, FL |
| 17:48.44 | ircops | that's why I'm lagging... it was ecidadania15's flood |
| 17:48.46 | ircops | hehe |
| 17:48.50 | ircops | brb |
| 17:48.51 | nvz | ircops: I am on kornbluth in Frankfurt, DE right now |
| 17:48.57 | TwistedEmotions | stew: doesnt work ;( Do I need to do something do get dns to work or something? |
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| 17:49.09 | kschulen | I have a Dell latitude 110l with a i910gl chipset for vid. Downloaded drivers from intel and it works but not on the lcd it remains black. if i use an external monitor i can see everything just fine...i need help to be able to see it on the lcd also |
| 17:49.20 | stew | TwistedEmotions: for dns, edit /etc/resolv.conf (man resolv.conf) |
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| 17:49.46 | cp | i am using testing with the 2.6.12 image.. but why isn't there a 2.6.12 source tree in testing ? |
| 17:49.47 | stew | Arsion: how do you install when you can't boot from a cd? boot floppies? usb key? |
| 17:50.00 | stew | cp: there is, linux-source-2.6.12 |
| 17:50.13 | nvz | !rube goldberg install |
| 17:50.13 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 17:50.35 | ralf | hi, i need help with my video card, it is a mach64 |
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| 17:50.44 | ralf | i have compiled drm from cvs and loaded |
| 17:50.49 | ralf | i have loaded agp |
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| 17:50.55 | Arsion | stew: this laptop can only boot from hd or usb floppy drive...the latter i dont have anymore. however, it can boot to network...not sure if that will work with a pcmcia wired card |
| 17:50.57 | cp | oh yes ty |
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| 17:51.01 | ircops | damn... had to use zelazny... is benford down ? |
| 17:51.01 | ralf | i have recompiled xorg with BuildDRIDevel |
| 17:51.16 | nvz | dpkg, where can I get bitorrent sources debian-installer on punch cards? |
| 17:51.24 | ralf | i have installed mesa gl with mach64.so |
| 17:51.32 | ralf | but i'm still without 3D |
| 17:51.37 | stew | Arsion: if it will boot from usb floppy, it might be able to boot from other usb devices |
| 17:51.39 | ralf | how can I enable it? |
| 17:51.45 | madclicker | can someone directme to a site that would explain howto setup a ISP based DNS server, that would do its own cache update? |
| 17:51.52 | nvz | ircops: tells me thats an unknown host. |
| 17:51.59 | ircops | nvz: me too |
| 17:52.00 | Arsion | stew: nope. i have ausb cdrom...it doesnt even try to boot from it |
| 17:52.02 | nvz | ircops: maybe someone should notify the webmaster |
| 17:52.09 | ircops | haha |
| 17:52.25 | nvz | ircops: its on http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml |
| 17:52.26 | Schiz0 | What's the difference between 368 and 686 archs? |
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| 17:52.40 | Arsion | stew: even thou i have seen many websites saying the toshiba portege 3490ct can boot from a usb cdrom |
| 17:52.42 | ralf | Schiz0: mmx, cmov and sse |
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| 17:52.49 | ircops | nvz: yeah... I thought maybe I spelled it wrong, but I had it right. |
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| 17:53.02 | Schiz0 | 686 supports them? |
| 17:53.14 | Schiz0 | and 386 doenst? |
| 17:53.17 | ralf | no, 686 have them |
| 17:53.21 | shay | hi |
| 17:53.26 | nvz | man, no d-i on punch cards I guess |
| 17:53.32 | ralf | and 386 has't |
| 17:53.38 | Schiz0 | ah, ok |
| 17:53.41 | kschulen | can anyone help me with my lcd display on my laptop? |
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| 17:53.50 | stew | Arsion: have you looked in the bios for the boot sequence? |
| 17:53.50 | ircops | kschulen: no |
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| 17:53.54 | shay | !tell kschulen about ask |
| 17:54.11 | stew | Arsion: if it can't then you are going to have to put the hard drive in another machine |
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| 17:54.39 | nvz | kschulen: help you fry an omlet on it? |
| 17:54.54 | nvz | kschulen: have any ham? cheese? |
| 17:54.58 | Arsion | stew: yes. in order for usb floppy to work, i had to turn on USB to FDD Legacy, but it still wont boot from a cdrom, i've tried. Even tried setting it to boot to cdrom |
| 17:55.14 | nvz | you will need eggs too of course |
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| 17:56.07 | Schiz0 | Arsion- Check the master/slave settings on the drive, that may have somethign to do with being able to boot from a certain drive/cd rom/wahtever |
| 17:56.18 | kschulen | nvz:sure why not....i wanna throw it in an oven anyway |
| 17:56.24 | dogmeat | folks i have no floppy disk. when trying to install debian sarge, it halts with an 'etch' error. any ideas how to get around this? |
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| 17:56.34 | ahc | does anyone know if xorg can override gdm.conf? especially the AutomaticFunction in gdm.conf function. |
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| 17:56.49 | Schiz0 | is there any other software like lm-sensors? |
| 17:56.51 | shay | nvz, hm, I think we need to write a HOWTO for that *G* |
| 17:56.57 | bbrazil | Schiz0: nope |
| 17:56.59 | ahc | does anyone know if xorg can override gdm.conf? especially the AutomaticLogin in gdm.conf function. |
| 17:57.01 | shay | nvz, too many people asking about it already :-) |
| 17:57.10 | syntax[a] | im trying to work with splashy but then again i get kernel panic now i cant boot my linux box.. i only have netinst cd.. can i boot it using netinst? if possible what command do i need to enter at boot? |
| 17:57.19 | Puppster | hi guys, i'm trying to set up a printer (Brother HL-1440). I'm pretty sure it's included in the foomatic-db package, but it's not showing up in printtool? Any ideas where it would be or how to use it? |
| 17:57.22 | nvz | dpkg, cooking |
| 17:57.22 | dpkg | cooking is, like, a source of tasty treats |
| 17:57.33 | nvz | dpkg, debian cook book |
| 17:57.48 | nvz | hmm I could swear the debian cook book was underway |
| 17:57.53 | Arsion | stew: right now i have boot priority set to cd-rom>lan>fdd>hdd, but it skips everything else to the hdd, almost like it doesnt see the cd-rom attached to the usb |
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| 17:57.59 | Puppster | actually i have the Brother-HL-1440.xml file from foomatic-db, just not sure how to use it as the filter |
| 17:58.43 | syntaxx | im trying to work with splashy but then again i get kernel panic now i cant boot my linux box.. i only have netinst cd.. can i boot it using netinst? if possible what command do i need to enter at boot? need help =/ |
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| 17:59.05 | kschulen | ok running debian sarge 3.1 installed i915 drivers for the i910 chipset and everything installed fine. X runs with the patched/new i810 driver but i get no video to my laptop display. If i connect a external monitor it will show. how can i get video to show on the lcd instead of the external monitor? |
| 17:59.18 | Arsion | is there anyway to run the installer from a cd while in debian? |
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| 17:59.37 | nvz | Arsion: and wtf would the point of this be? |
| 17:59.47 | streamerr | hi |
| 17:59.52 | yang26 | is there debian package for folding@home? |
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| 17:59.59 | MoRLoCh | Arsion: you might use debootstrap, if you plan to install on another (mounted) hd |
| 17:59.59 | Arsion | nvz: because my upgrades have scrweed it up |
| 18:00.08 | estel | hi, I have strange problem: after i've upgraded to x.org some apps (jumpnbump, sim, kobodeluxe) run very slow; same problems on other computers and on gentoo - is it safe to use your old xf86-configuration with x.org? any other ideas? thx |
| 18:00.11 | nvz | Arsion: you want to reinstall then? |
| 18:00.16 | Arsion | nvz: aye |
| 18:00.39 | nvz | Arsion: heh your cdrom is USB? thats ammusing |
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| 18:00.46 | Schiz0 | yacyac- http://packages.debian.org |
| 18:00.51 | nvz | Arsion: yeah its likely the BIOS is unaware there is a cdrom then |
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| 18:00.56 | Schiz0 | yang26- http://packages.debian.org |
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| 18:01.11 | Arsion | nvz: libc6 is basically destroyed. everything i do, including apt-get gives me a glibc error so reinstall is the only option. |
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| 18:01.29 | syntaxx | i got kernel panic netinst cd can boot it? if possible what command should i enter? |
| 18:01.39 | Schiz0 | Arsion- apt-get remove --purge libc6; apt-get install libc6 ? |
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| 18:01.52 | sandman | Anyone familiar with why apt-file update on the etch dist wouldn't work? |
| 18:01.54 | stew | Schiz0: purge libc6 ??? |
| 18:01.58 | MoRLoCh | hehe |
| 18:02.04 | Schiz0 | well I dunno the package name. |
| 18:02.21 | nkuttler | Arsion: if you can run ar you can unpack the deb and put the files where they should be |
| 18:02.32 | stew | Schiz0: nothing would work without libc6 |
| 18:02.33 | Arsion | ar? |
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| 18:02.46 | nkuttler | Arsion: a .deb is an ar archive of tgzs |
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| 18:02.55 | Arsion | ah |
| 18:02.56 | Schiz0 | Hmm. |
| 18:02.59 | syntaxx | stew: can you help me? i got kernel panic netinst cd can boot it? if possible what command should i enter? |
| 18:03.01 | CASP | buu |
| 18:03.01 | eray | hi |
| 18:03.14 | Arsion | i tried dpkg -i libc6 of the new package and tar gave me glibc error |
| 18:03.23 | stew | syntaxx: what were you doing when you got a kernel panic? |
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| 18:03.34 | syntaxx | stew: trying to work with splashy =/ |
| 18:03.46 | stew | syntaxx: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 18:03.51 | stew | syntaxx: had you just installed a new kernel? |
| 18:03.52 | Arsion | ..... |
| 18:03.53 | syntaxx | stew: no |
| 18:03.53 | Schiz0 | I'm getting a problem getting lm-sensors working....I installed the package and ran sensors-detect as root, then ran sensors, and it says no sensors found |
| 18:03.55 | Arsion | whoa |
| 18:04.01 | Arsion | apt-get update gives no error |
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| 18:04.21 | stew | syntaxx: boot the netinst cd, mount your root filesystem, remove splahy |
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| 18:04.38 | Arsion | but, with the other problems, will apt-get install be able to replace everything |
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| 18:05.05 | syntaxx | Arsion: you just became unstable thats why libc6 doesnt work.. yesterday i encountered it.. reinstall from scratch |
| 18:05.07 | nvz | Arsion: you the one who was in here this morning who had aborted during a libc upgrade? |
| 18:05.26 | syntaxx | stew: how? have no idea using those on booting |
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| 18:05.36 | Arsion | syntaxx: can that be done from within debian using a usb cdrom? what would the command be to run the install program? |
| 18:05.40 | stew | boot the cd, hit alt-f2 to get a shell |
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| 18:05.51 | syntaxx | ok stew thanks |
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| 18:06.00 | stew | Arsion: if you can't even run ls, the chances of you getting debootstrap working are minimal |
| 18:06.02 | meff | hello, does sarge 3.1r0a netinst support xfs? |
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| 18:06.24 | kschulen | ok running debian sarge 3.1 installed i915 drivers for the i910 chipset and everything installed fine. X runs with the patched/new i810 driver but i get no video to my laptop display. If i connect a external monitor it will show. how can i get video to show on the lcd instead of the external monitor? |
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| 18:06.29 | nkuttler | Arsion: use a install/rescue cd whatever, ar x .deb, put it where it belongs, good luck |
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| 18:06.30 | stew | meff: yes |
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| 18:06.45 | Arsion | nzv: no. but that did happen yesterday. it told me to stop gdm. I did, then it gave me an error. someone said possibly bad cd. |
| 18:06.46 | cheikh | hey how do i access my CD-ROM i use gentoo as my file manager |
| 18:06.51 | stew | nkuttler: he can't boot a cd, he need to do a rube goldberg install |
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| 18:07.02 | nkuttler | oh shit |
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| 18:07.07 | stew | nkuttler: he has no bootable media |
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| 18:07.33 | cheal | Schiz0: try asking #linux-sensors |
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| 18:07.50 | nkuttler | well, put the hd in a different box, do it there :) |
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| 18:07.59 | MegaHambone | weird. |
| 18:08.06 | Arsion | nkuttle: laptop |
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| 18:08.17 | stew | Arsion: you can get a 3.5 -> 2.5 ide adapter |
| 18:08.33 | nkuttler | Arsion: put it in a real laptop that has some cdrom |
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| 18:08.52 | cheikh | hey how do i access my CD-ROM i use gentoo as my file manager |
| 18:09.13 | Arsion | nkuttler: yeah, that would do the job...if i wasnt the only one in this 6000 people town with a laptop |
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| 18:09.27 | stew | cheikh: mount it somewhere, man mount |
| 18:09.32 | kurtak | Hi all- I'm trying to install the msttcorefonts, did everything so far that i've read, which included installing the package with apt, then installing x-ttcidfont-conf, choosing "freetype" for the backend, then adding the new font paths (which do definitely exist) to the XF86Config-4 file and restarting X; However "xset q" doesn't show the new font path. Is there something else i have to do?? |
| 18:09.39 | concept10 | what is the best way to ensure a bunch of packages are installed? i.e. irb1.8 irb postgresql ruby1.8-dev libcfgi-ruby1.8 libfcgi0 dpkg -l ? |
| 18:09.50 | Schiz0 | concept10- You could use aptitude |
| 18:09.55 | MoRLoCh | Arsion: what about downloading a small live cd like damn small linux, putting the image on the hd and running loadlin (or settign up lilo to boot it) ? |
| 18:09.56 | Schiz0 | gives a list of installed software |
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| 18:10.27 | concept10 | Schiz0, let me try, i almost dislike aptitude |
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| 18:10.49 | Schiz0 | concept10- It's powerful, you just have to get used to it |
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| 18:11.00 | daReaper_ | hi |
| 18:11.03 | kschulen | ok running debian sarge 3.1 installed i915 drivers for the i910 chipset and everything installed fine. X runs with the patched/new i810 driver but i get no video to my laptop display. If i connect a external monitor it will show. how can i get video to show on the lcd instead of the external monitor? <----- welp i guess this is a lost cause |
| 18:11.03 | stew | concept10: echo "package install" | dpkg --set-selections ; for each package, then run apt-get dselect-upgrade |
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| 18:11.20 | syntaxx | stew: alt F2 wont work |
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| 18:11.27 | streamerr | what is better, apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 18:11.43 | daReaper_ | i'm trying to login to a machine using SFTP, but i get the error that the user/pass is incorrect, while logging in with normal SSH works fine. Is there anything that needs to be done to perhaps enable SFTP ? |
| 18:11.46 | Arsion | morloch: i could possibly do that, thou it might be easier if i knew, since i can access the cd even through all this problem, if there was a way to actually send a command to the cdrom to start the install |
| 18:11.48 | stew | syntaxx: why not? |
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| 18:12.11 | syntaxx | stew: i put the netinst cd then at prompt pressing alt F2? |
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| 18:12.23 | stew | streamerr: aptitude has more features, the biggest is that it keeps track of what packages were installed only to satisfy dependencies, but since its newer its buggier |
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| 18:12.33 | MoRLoCh | Arsion: sorry, I don't know the installer that well to help you there |
| 18:12.33 | doleyb | daReaper_: what syntax are you using for the sftp and ssh lines? one is -luser, the other is user@ |
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| 18:12.41 | stew | syntaxx: you have to actually boot it, once you are at language selection, alt-f2 should work |
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| 18:12.46 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... I set it up in windows and turns out I needed to use the external ip.. that worked so I changed the interfaces file to use external ip.. but now I get.. sudo ifup ath0 |
| 18:12.46 | TwistedEmotions | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 18:12.46 | TwistedEmotions | Failed to bring up ath0. |
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| 18:12.57 | daReaper_ | doleyb: i'm using a windows client, but i can perfectly connect to any other machine |
| 18:13.04 | syntaxx | stew: ok ill try it thanks |
| 18:13.16 | cheal | kschulen: unlikely. if you really can't find help, you could always try etch |
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| 18:13.55 | Schiz0 | streamerr- I've never had a bug with aptitude, and I run etc/testing, so I trust it |
| 18:13.56 | Peaker | anyone here knows a d-link wireless router, and whether it can be used without NAT? |
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| 18:14.04 | stew | Arsion: if you cant run dpkg or ls, you are going to get nowhere with the installer |
| 18:14.09 | doleyb | daReaper_: login with ssh and then verify you can sftp localhost |
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| 18:14.46 | daReaper_ | doleyb: works fine... |
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| 18:15.12 | nvz | dont they have a statically linked debootstrap available? |
| 18:15.36 | kschulen | cheal: is etch the unstable version? |
| 18:15.39 | nvz | dumb people should always have statically linked backups of their important programs :P |
| 18:15.44 | Schiz0 | kschulen- etch is testing |
| 18:15.50 | Puppster | anyone know how to tell a cups printer that is networked (using samba) what the username and password it should use are? |
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| 18:16.19 | kschulen | anyone have any luck with a 910 on etch? |
| 18:16.26 | concept10 | running dpkg -l by itself list all packages, correct? |
| 18:16.36 | nvz | concept10: yes |
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| 18:18.30 | concept10 | nvz, thanks .. I dont believe I only have 364 packages installed |
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| 18:18.44 | concept10 | its a conspiracy |
| 18:18.46 | syntax[x] | stew: how to mount it because i cant mount it "mount /dev/hda3 <dir>" it says no such <dir> when i try mount /dev/hda3 it says no /dev/hda3 on fstab |
| 18:18.48 | daReaper_ | doleyb: any ideas? |
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| 18:19.06 | cheal | kschulen: kind of (915GM) |
| 18:19.21 | dboxen | hi, need to get a library file called ?boost? |
| 18:19.23 | FromTO | Does anyone know of a website or something to hold MS window user profiles on a linux server. |
| 18:19.25 | nvz | concept10: yeah I have 373 and I got virtually nothing on here |
| 18:19.28 | dboxen | it has a number of associated files |
| 18:19.29 | kschulen | cheal: 910GL |
| 18:19.38 | dboxen | i wanted todo apt-get install boost* |
| 18:19.49 | curt | abrotman, /usr/share/menu and /usr/share/menu/default are the same and update-menus reads them both for user. I ran update-menus -nodefaultdirs and the double menus disappeared... |
| 18:19.52 | dboxen | but I get files from unstable branch |
| 18:19.55 | cheal | kschulen: that should be feasible |
| 18:19.59 | abrotman | curt: yay |
| 18:20.02 | stew | syntax[x]: mkdir /target ; mount /dev/hda3 /target |
| 18:20.09 | dboxen | how can I limit apt-get to only using testing branch? |
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| 18:20.21 | kschulen | cheal: the odd thing is is that it works on sarge just not with the lcd only with the external |
| 18:20.21 | cheal | dboxen: by not having sid sources |
| 18:20.25 | concept10 | nvz, no desktop? |
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| 18:20.28 | stew | dboxen: man sources.list |
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| 18:20.38 | dboxen | can u toggle between the two? |
| 18:20.39 | nvz | concept10: I have X and sawfish. |
| 18:20.49 | dboxen | cause it is only for this package |
| 18:20.58 | dboxen | well, actually a few |
| 18:21.04 | syntax[x] | stew: yeah i tried it also but it says no such file directory =/ |
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| 18:21.10 | dboxen | but primarily I want to run as unstable |
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| 18:21.14 | stew | dboxen: apt-get -t testing install foo ; or apt-get install foo=version |
| 18:21.15 | cheal | kschulen: yeah, I'm just telling you a last solution, if you got it that way, there are good chances some config will make it work properly on sarge |
| 18:21.34 | dboxen | thanks stew |
| 18:21.36 | nvz | concept10: its main purpose is a network bridge and keep irssi running in screen. but its also a synergy client I use as a 2nd head when my desktop is on |
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| 18:21.45 | stew | syntax[x]: oh instead of hda3 you might need to use the devfs string which i can never remember |
| 18:21.46 | prozureus | how do I change the keymap in xorg? in the linux terminal my keys are fine but in xterms my pipe char and hash and quotes are all messed up... kinda like the US layout when it should be UK. |
| 18:21.48 | kschulen | cheal: thanks |
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| 18:22.09 | syntax[x] | stew: =/ |
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| 18:22.27 | kschulen | when is etch supposed to be finished? |
| 18:22.28 | stew | syntax[x]: something like /dev/discs/disc1/part2 |
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| 18:24.40 | dboxen | stew: it still lists the unstable files as to be installed |
| 18:24.40 | concept10 | nvz, sawfish looks nice, its that based on gtk? what system specs are you running that on? |
| 18:24.40 | nvz | prozureus: what, you think you're better than US? </pun> /me calls on Team America to kick some ass, fuck yeah! |
| 18:24.40 | dboxen | aswell as the testing files |
| 18:24.40 | prozureus | hehe ;) |
| 18:24.40 | prozureus | america... freedom is the only way yeah :) |
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| 18:24.41 | stew | dboxen: man apt.conf / apt_preferences ; /msg dpkg simple etch/sid mix |
| 18:24.41 | prozureus | I used to use debian about a year ago. and I have messed with locales and things. I just don't know how to change the keymaps and stuff under xorg. I think before I was using xfree86. |
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| 18:24.42 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 18:24.42 | syntax[x] | stew: so thats the only way? |
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| 18:24.47 | concept10 | Cool Idea just popped in my head..: If you could use Synaptic to connect to another box and manage that boxes packages |
| 18:24.58 | ribnitz | If a 2.6.8(-2-686) kernel give hdc: lost interrupt, what is going wrong? (hdc is a harddisk)? |
| 18:24.58 | nvz | concept10: PIII 667mhz 128MB ram got a 3com Tonado (not working properly most of the time), 3com Boomerang onboard, and a D-link 8139 RealTeck Chipset |
| 18:25.04 | stew | syntax[x]: do you have other kernels in your bootloader? (recovery mode)? |
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| 18:25.11 | stew | syntax[x]: init=/bin/bash? |
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| 18:25.34 | curt | abrotman, C++ How to Program (5th Edition) is 1536 pages. my brain hurts just thinnking about it. |
| 18:25.42 | nvz | concept10: its an old dell optiplex I rescued from the rain. then yelled at the constable for PC abuse and told him I better not ever catch him doing that again |
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| 18:25.55 | Ronin | curt: best get used to it, they dont get any smaller |
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| 18:26.03 | concept10 | nvz, it was on the curb? |
| 18:26.03 | abrotman | curt: i have a few copies of that book in different volumes .. another option is to ask #C++ |
| 18:26.11 | micka_ | mozilla-plugins not work in sid ? have you a solution ? |
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| 18:26.13 | nvz | concept10: it was in the mud in the constable's yard |
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| 18:26.19 | syntax[x] | stew: it has recovery mode but i tried it also it doesnt work though.. i touch kopt=vga= on grub so it may be framebuffer |
| 18:26.21 | micka_ | nroff/less have a patche for unicode ? |
| 18:26.26 | curt | abrotman, how think is 1536 pages? |
| 18:26.27 | micka_ | in debian |
| 18:26.33 | curt | abrotman, thick |
| 18:26.43 | syntax[x] | stew: init=/bin/bash on boot? or in console at alt F2? |
| 18:26.43 | concept10 | nvz, I wish I could collect a couple of old boxes |
| 18:26.46 | abrotman | curt: 5 inches ? .. not sure .. should ahve the dimensions there |
| 18:27.28 | abrotman | curt: Product Dimensions: 9.2 x 7.0 x 1.9 inches |
| 18:27.28 | abrotman | i was way way wrong |
| 18:27.28 | nvz | concept10: I got lots of em. I left about half a dozen in Texas |
| 18:27.28 | abrotman | it's 2 inches apparently |
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| 18:27.28 | curt | abrotman, it says 1.9 inches, go figure. |
| 18:27.28 | stew | syntax[x]: you can pass that to your kernel as a kenrel parameter, if you don't have a (recovery mode) kernel or another kenrel that will boot |
| 18:27.30 | abrotman | but it does way .. 4.6 lbs :) |
| 18:27.31 | concept10 | nvz, you still in TX? |
| 18:27.32 | abrotman | ere weigh |
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| 18:27.47 | nvz | concept10: the judge recently gave me his old HP Pavilion and it blew up on be when I plugged it in |
| 18:27.50 | sandman | What happened to apt-build? |
| 18:27.50 | nvz | concept10: nope |
| 18:27.59 | micka_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.59 | micka_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:28.09 | syntax[x] | stew: ok ill try that for awhile |
| 18:28.10 | curt | abrotman, i'm gonna buy it. give me something to do this winter. |
| 18:28.10 | syntax[x] | thanks |
| 18:28.16 | stew | sandman: /msg dpkg why is apt-build not in testing |
| 18:28.25 | abrotman | curt: you might want to ask #c++ .. they may have a better recommendation |
| 18:28.44 | kschulen | cheal: i am downloading the installer now to try etch i will let ya know who it works |
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| 18:29.16 | chea1 | kschulen: cool |
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| 18:29.29 | sandman | stew: So I don't get it.. when sarge was moved from testing to stable, testing dist was then made blank? |
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| 18:29.55 | chealer | sandman: testing staid testing=sarge |
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| 18:30.26 | chealer | micka_: what's mozilla-plugins? |
| 18:30.31 | concept10 | nvz, the last deal I got was for $300: 22 inch CRT monitor, a brand new case, 2 DVD-RWs, about 12 harddrives and 5-6 motherboards with pentium 3 old slot types and a mess of those satellite eprom burners which i have no use for |
| 18:30.44 | chealer | s/staid/stayed/ |
| 18:30.53 | chealer | (I guess) |
| 18:31.15 | lac | I tried to use dpkg-reconfigure, and found that the command is not there. What package do I have to install to get dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 18:31.47 | MoRLoCh | lac: did you do that as root? |
| 18:31.51 | lac | yes. |
| 18:31.55 | chealer | lac: debconf |
| 18:31.57 | stew | sandman: no, this package was removed from testing for some reason, possibly becuase it was too broken |
| 18:32.06 | Anthro | lac: If you don't have dpkg-reconfigure, something is very wrong. Try running it as /usr/bin/dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 18:32.28 | lac | I went to /usr/bin and it wasn't there. |
| 18:32.31 | nvz | concept10: on my desk I got the Dell Optiplex PIII 667mhz 128MB Ram (rescued from the constable who left it for dead outside), the HP Vectra VL Pentium MMX 233mhz 80MB Ram (From the industrial park was being used in one of the businesses for a timeclock), and the Compaq Presario AMD Athlon XP 1700+ 512MB ram (was my brothers old pc abused a bit and half the case missing and the rest is spray painted gold). |
| 18:32.34 | chealer | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 18:33.27 | prozureus | I think by looking in /etc/X11/xorg.conf I can see that the keyboard layout is set to "us". To change that to british english would that be "en" or "en_gb" or "uk" or what? |
| 18:33.35 | nvz | concept10: they make up my 3 headed monster.. well at least they did before the damn 3com Tornado started acting up.. now my bridge is kind of crippled and can only support one pc, and naturally I chose the Compaq over the HP |
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| 18:34.26 | concept10 | nvz, 3 head? they are clustered? |
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| 18:35.10 | nvz | concept10: just synergy right now. as I turn them on they all connect up and I can control them all from one set of input devices. I didnt bother going any further yet cause I started having network trouble. |
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| 18:35.54 | micka_ | anonyme have flash-player work in debian |
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| 18:36.07 | nvz | concept10: I was going to try testing various things on them like open mosix, maybe some security stuff like IPsec, SELinux, maybe even some LDAP and Kerberos |
| 18:37.16 | Arsion | does anyone know how to reinstall debian from within debian? |
| 18:37.20 | abrotman | lots of people have flash in debian |
| 18:37.21 | abrotman | !flash |
| 18:37.21 | dpkg | from memory, flash is If you want the flashplayer browser plugin, go to http://www.flash.com and follow the instructions there. Or look at the flashplugin-nonfree package, or most flash crap you see is from banner ads, and very little of it actual real and potentially interesting content. get yourself some object blocking/filtering extensions in your favourite browser, or missing fonts? install gsfonts-x11 |
| 18:37.24 | lac | ok, my real problem is that the fonts on my other machine have all gone away. Nothing but little boxes for kde. xterm works however. The last time I had this problem, dpkg -reconfigure fontconfig fixed it. |
| 18:37.25 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 18:37.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 18:37.32 | micka_ | Arsion: floppydisk |
| 18:37.33 | stew | Arsion: /msg dpkg chroot install ; /msg dpkg deboostrap |
| 18:37.37 | lac | This time, no luck. Suggestions as to what else could be wrong? |
| 18:37.46 | error403 | Is it technically possible to mount multiple partitions to a single point so that data is written to all of them? |
| 18:37.51 | stew | Arsion: however, they won't work for you |
| 18:37.51 | nvz | concept10: the Tornado works if I just ifup eth0, but if I try use it as I intended as the card to hook up the HP Vectra it shows no link status on the vectra, and if I try using it instead for the uplink to the gateway when I bring up br0 the bridge doesnt work at all. at least with eth1 the boomerang as the uplink it works with just eth1 and eth2 |
| 18:37.56 | abrotman | lac: your fonts work everywhere but kde ? |
| 18:38.07 | micka_ | yes i have gsfonts-x11 |
| 18:38.32 | lac | abrotman: they work in xterm, but not in all the kde applications. |
| 18:38.34 | nvz | concept10: I dont know why it suddenly decided it doesnt want to have anything to do with my bridge anymore |
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| 18:38.41 | abrotman | lac: how about .. a gtk app ? |
| 18:38.55 | abrotman | or something isn't gtk or qt |
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| 18:39.30 | concept10 | nvz, good luck on fixing that |
| 18:39.36 | deadcat | whats this mean? /opt/j2re1.3.1/bin/ppc/native_threads/java: relocation error: /opt/j2re1.3.1/lib/ppc/libjava.so: symbol __libc_waitpid, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 18:39.38 | nvz | concept10: maybe it doesnt like being in promisc mode. afaik all interfaces on the bridge have to be in promisc |
| 18:39.55 | micka_ | ok a mozilla build optimized cvs |
| 18:40.00 | micka_ | for work flash |
| 18:40.03 | stew | deadcat: did you isntall a gcc 2.95 version of java? |
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| 18:40.11 | Peaker | mozilla-firefox keeps crashing :P The stack trace is cut with "... 10 more" (silly!) so I cant know where |
| 18:40.11 | micka_ | why flash not work in debian |
| 18:40.20 | lac | abrotman: firefox is ok |
| 18:40.31 | nvz | micka_: PICNID |
| 18:40.32 | concept10 | nvz, I just wish to get ruby on rails working with lighttpd today on sarge after dicking around with it all day yesterday on apache |
| 18:40.34 | deadcat | stew: i dont know i have this package: j2re-1.3.1-02a-FCS-linux-ppc.bin |
| 18:40.37 | Peaker | konqueror >> mozilla-firefox :P |
| 18:40.43 | Slippy | How do I set mouse speed? |
| 18:40.53 | deadcat | Slippy: xset |
| 18:40.58 | abrotman | lac: sounds like a Qt/KDE problem .. query #debian-kde |
| 18:41.00 | nvz | concept10: I have no idea what that is :P |
| 18:41.01 | stew | deadcat: is there a reason why you are installing a 1.3.1 instead of 1.4.2 or 1.5.0? |
| 18:41.10 | deadcat | stew: cant find newer. |
| 18:41.11 | deadcat | for ppc |
| 18:41.23 | Slippy | deadcat: thanks a bunch |
| 18:41.24 | abrotman | ppc sucks :) |
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| 18:41.34 | deadcat | abrotman: bitch please (= |
| 18:41.47 | znh | hm I am trying to compile a kernel.. however I booted with my self compiled kernel and it says: cardmgr[1040] no sockets found! |
| 18:41.51 | znh | (pcmcia) |
| 18:42.05 | PinkBunny | guys, how come there is no donkey client in repositories? |
| 18:42.16 | cureless | znh: chances are you didn't compile something related to pcmcia, try again. |
| 18:42.17 | Ronin | donkey client? you need a mule? |
| 18:42.21 | stew | deadcat: see if there is a newer one on debian-unofficial.org |
| 18:42.31 | concept10 | nvz, ruby on rails is all the rage! web-development framework for ruby |
| 18:42.31 | abrotman | deadcat: apple has java5 for Tiger |
| 18:42.41 | PinkBunny | Ronin: yeah |
| 18:42.44 | stew | deadcat: i believe he has ppc packages for some stuff |
| 18:42.47 | chealer | PinkBunny: $ apt-cache search donkey |
| 18:42.56 | znh | cureless, I compiled the 3com drivers for my PCMCIA card? |
| 18:43.08 | PinkBunny | chealer: dont you think I already tried that? |
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| 18:43.13 | deadcat | stew: thanks |
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| 18:43.29 | deadcat | abrotman: oh. but hows that work on debian? |
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| 18:43.38 | cureless | znh: maybe some part of the pcmcia bus. |
| 18:43.45 | chealer | PinkBunny: you didn'T get results? |
| 18:43.51 | znh | cureless, hmm maybe yenta stuff |
| 18:43.54 | stew | deadcat: asked in #debianppc ? |
| 18:43.59 | cureless | znh: for example. |
| 18:44.07 | nvz | before I forget... |
| 18:44.09 | nvz | dpkg double menus is <reply> Double menus might have something to do with /usr/share/menu and /usr/share/menu/default both being read by update-menus for your user. Try running update-menus -nodefaultdirs as your user to correct the problem. |
| 18:44.09 | dpkg | nvz: okay |
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| 18:44.31 | PinkBunny | chealer: apparently, if I did, would I be here asking about them? |
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| 18:44.51 | PinkBunny | there is just gui for mldonkey, but no mldonkey itself |
| 18:44.54 | PinkBunny | kinda strange |
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| 18:45.01 | nkuttler | PinkBunny: get the mldonkey source, it's outdated even in sid |
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| 18:45.11 | kurtak | What do use to select a different system-wide font? |
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| 18:45.26 | nvz | what the hell does the donkey have that the gift doesnt? |
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| 18:45.41 | concept10 | nvz, does your browser support javascript? |
| 18:45.52 | cureless | nvz: a cute icon? |
| 18:45.53 | stew | PinkBunny: mldonkey-server iirc |
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| 18:45.57 | nvz | with gift I can simultaniously connect to and search multiple networks with plugins |
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| 18:46.30 | nvz | cureless: the little gift package icon not cute enough for you? |
| 18:46.37 | nvz | concept10: of course |
| 18:46.50 | cureless | nvz: I don't remember, I haven't used gift in a while. |
| 18:47.17 | deadcat | stew: whats j2re and j2se? |
| 18:47.18 | chealer | PinkBunny: possibly. I have several results here |
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| 18:47.54 | stew | deadcat: re is just the runtime, se is the standard edition sdk afaik |
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| 18:48.07 | stew | deadcat: se is a superset of re |
| 18:48.07 | askance | dead: j2re is java runtime environment |
| 18:48.08 | PinkBunny | chealer: would you that kind to give me exact name of one you think that is donkey? |
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| 18:48.29 | deadcat | ah. i just want re, but cant seem to find it from d-u.org |
| 18:48.31 | stew | PinkBunny: mldonkey-server |
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| 18:48.44 | PinkBunny | stew: there is no such in stable |
| 18:48.51 | nvz | screw the donkey |
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| 18:49.05 | nvz | !+info mldonkey-server stable |
| 18:49.06 | dpkg | Package 'mldonkey-server' does not exist. |
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| 18:49.16 | chealer | PinkBunny: mldonkey-server, I'd guess |
| 18:49.29 | PinkBunny | Package mldonkey-server is not available |
| 18:49.35 | concept10 | nvz, goto this site and post a comment: http://blog.curthibbs.us/articles/2005/01/01/ajax-on-rails gives you an example |
| 18:49.37 | b3nw | has anyone gotten pure-ftpd-mysql working without pam? or have a suggestion on a good how-to would be to set it up? |
| 18:49.51 | stew | PinkBunny: so what is your question then? |
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| 18:50.38 | chealer | PinkBunny: looks like it's not in stable then |
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| 18:50.42 | PinkBunny | stew: whats debians problem with donkey, there apparently has to be some problem when they refuse to include it? |
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| 18:50.54 | stew | PinkBunny: it was too buggy at release time to be included |
| 18:51.14 | nvz | concept10: bah no comment |
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| 18:51.35 | chealer | PinkBunny: mldonkey *is* included in Debian |
| 18:51.38 | askance | deadcat: best way imo to install jre is to get make-jpkg (or make java-pkg) from apt, get the java source from sun then automagically build a debian package |
| 18:51.51 | askance | it installs and updates browse links for you |
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| 18:52.14 | nvz | I tried the donkey before and it totally sucked |
| 18:52.16 | PinkBunny | chealer: since I cant apt-get it, I dont consider it included |
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| 18:52.20 | concept10 | nvz, didnt work? or not impressive? |
| 18:52.33 | PinkBunny | nvz: it rules for finding ebooks and stuff like that |
| 18:52.41 | chealer | PinkBunny: as others told you, it's not in stable |
| 18:52.42 | PinkBunny | gift is useful only for childporn |
| 18:52.52 | nvz | concept10: both didnt connect and was a terrible interface |
| 18:53.01 | joachim_ | how to use a root-only command in script without asking for the password? (i have root shell but i want to do it automatically without loging in) |
| 18:53.21 | concept10 | nvz, what browser are you using... |
| 18:53.25 | nvz | gift connects to anything and you can find any type of file. |
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| 18:53.36 | nvz | concept10: links2 or firefox |
| 18:53.40 | qalim | joachim_, apt-get install sudo |
| 18:53.48 | nvz | concept10: I dont want to post any comments on blogs :P |
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| 18:53.56 | stew | PinkBunny: this is why it wasn't included in sarge, if you are curious: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=279030 |
| 18:54.03 | yacyac | i get no sound element or device found when i try to open volumn control in gnome |
| 18:54.04 | joachim_ | well sudo is installed but i asks for the password doesnt it? |
| 18:54.10 | concept10 | nvz, thats just a test..just type anything |
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| 18:54.29 | qalim | joachim_, you can configure it so it does notask for the pass |
| 18:54.31 | concept10 | nvz, thats not my blog, I just wanted you to see the effects |
| 18:54.50 | qalim | howver I don't know goot this fits in shells cripts for security |
| 18:55.29 | stew | PinkBunny: looks like it had a release critical bug for 10 months. there must not be much interest in that package |
| 18:55.39 | joachim_ | qalim, ill look for a man |
| 18:55.45 | joachim_ | thx a lot |
| 18:56.20 | KjetilK | I think my old 512 MB DDR RAM is damaged, and want to test it. I now have a total of 1.5 GB |
| 18:56.29 | KjetilK | I have found that a full memtest86 will take 24 hours, and I can't take it offline that long right now |
| 18:56.38 | KjetilK | So, there is memtest in sysutils. But can I make it only test the old chip and not the full 1.5 GB? |
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| 18:57.07 | nvz | !memtest86 |
| 18:57.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, memtest86 is http://memtest86.com/ |
| 18:57.22 | nvz | hmm I was looking for greycat's opinion on it :P |
| 18:57.31 | KjetilK | hehe |
| 18:57.34 | nvz | dpkg, seen greycat |
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| 18:57.35 | dpkg | greycat is currently on #debian-bots (6h 42m 52s). Has said a total of 101336 messages. Is idling for 10d 5h 2m 40s |
| 18:57.53 | nvz | greycat must be hiding from #debian |
| 18:58.01 | KjetilK | nvz: I'll most likely run it, but not for a few weeks... |
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| 18:58.15 | abrotman | nvz: i know where! |
| 18:58.18 | stew | nvz: i think he finally blew a gasket for support burnout |
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| 18:58.24 | stew | ^for^from |
| 18:58.27 | abrotman | stew: i don't think that's it |
| 18:58.31 | KjetilK | (or whatever memtest86 there is a on a recent KNoppix) |
| 18:58.34 | stew | oh nm then |
| 18:58.39 | nvz | KjetilK: paraphrasing he said "memtest86 couldn't detect a missing stick of ram" |
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| 18:58.46 | KjetilK | hehe, ok |
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| 18:58.55 | KjetilK | how about memtest86+ ? |
| 18:59.11 | stew | KjetilK: ime if its going to find an error, it finds it relatively quickly |
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| 18:59.50 | nvz | abrotman: duh. dpkg just told us he's in #debian-bots |
| 18:59.54 | KjetilK | stew: you mean memtest86? |
| 18:59.57 | stew | KjetilK: yeah |
| 19:00.00 | KjetilK | OK |
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| 19:00.48 | KjetilK | /proc/meminfo says |
| 19:00.51 | KjetilK | Dirty: 396 kB |
| 19:00.57 | KjetilK | does that mean anything? |
| 19:00.57 | ilpavox | is there a way to get checkinstall to put the packages it makes with all the other ones? |
| 19:01.23 | Ungy | how can I tell what program is using my oss device dev/dsp it keeps stoppign my music and utterly pissing me off |
| 19:01.31 | abrotman | fuser / lsof |
| 19:01.51 | nvz | abrotman: I guess I can't get dpkg to tell him something he says targe invalid when I try get him to say something in a channel |
| 19:01.53 | deadcat | askance: i cant seem the find the j2re 1.5 source from sun. the damn site is pissing me off. i installed the java-package pkg |
| 19:02.04 | mick_home | whats it called when someone has a domain that you own - then trys to sell it to you at some insain price |
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| 19:02.15 | askance | deadcat:hold on, lemme find it |
| 19:02.31 | Ungy | mick_home lawsuit? |
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| 19:02.41 | nvz | heh |
| 19:02.45 | mick_home | lol |
| 19:02.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: my static ip doesnt work ;( |
| 19:02.49 | deadcat | askance: thanks |
| 19:02.55 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what the hell. |
| 19:02.55 | abrotman | nvz: huh get him to say what? |
| 19:03.01 | markit | hi :) during a sid upgrade, I've seen this message: |
| 19:03.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: whats the ip? |
| 19:03.02 | abrotman | nvz: to tell greycat ? |
| 19:03.04 | markit | > Preparing to replace x11-common 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 (using .../x11-common_6.8.2.dfsg.1-8_all.deb) ... |
| 19:03.04 | markit | > /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line 914: [: eq: binary operator expected |
| 19:03.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: tried to setup a static ip |
| 19:03.10 | nvz | abrotman: tell to #debian-bots |
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| 19:03.18 | abrotman | nvz: you can join that channel :) |
| 19:03.19 | markit | something that needs to be reported to a developer/packager? |
| 19:03.21 | sandman | Debian Stable sure is unstable... ndiswrapper freezes up my computer on a regular basis, and my X will just stop responding to my mouse @ random times (however, I can still start gpm in console and use that) |
| 19:03.25 | nvz | abrotman: I could /msg greycat myself I was trying to be slick |
| 19:03.33 | sandman | X will also stop responding to keyboard commands like alt+tab, but I can still type |
| 19:03.35 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I dont know if you can SSH in... try 63.81.21.187 |
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| 19:03.36 | nvz | abrotman: annoy him #debian-style from afar |
| 19:03.37 | sandman | Just very, very buggy. |
| 19:03.37 | abrotman | nvz: you're from pittsburgh .. you should know better |
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| 19:04.11 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: it works. |
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| 19:04.21 | KjetilK | abrotman: Re the apt-build problem I was here about a few days ago, I've submitted this: http://bugs.debian.org/332594 |
| 19:04.26 | Ungy | ugg why can't I listen to music this gstreamer error is pissing me off can I tell KDE to turn all sounds off for all programs other then amarok |
| 19:04.27 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: thats not my static ip.. thats just my ip |
| 19:04.33 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: oh. |
| 19:04.53 | nvz | abrotman: at the top of Village drive in Leetsdale there is a large stone with "Pittsburg" carved in it and an arrow pointing south. that ammuses me |
| 19:04.57 | sandman | Nobody cares? |
| 19:04.59 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: give me some ideas on what to complaint about for my speech tomorrow (= |
| 19:05.05 | askance | deadcat: go to "java.com" |
| 19:05.08 | abrotman | KjetilK: i suspect it will get reassigned .. but bugs are always good :) |
| 19:05.17 | deadcat | askance: easy link? (= |
| 19:05.20 | abrotman | nvz: misspelled ? |
| 19:05.25 | KjetilK | abrotman: yeah, could be a packaging bug |
| 19:05.25 | nvz | abrotman: yepp |
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| 19:05.30 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Was is the speech suppose to be? on a complaint? |
| 19:05.36 | stew | mick_home: if you own the domain, how does someone else have it? |
| 19:05.40 | abrotman | nvz: ever thought about a 3am repair job ? |
| 19:05.59 | nvz | abrotman: its in someone's driveway. the other side of it points down their driveway and says "Private Drive" |
| 19:06.25 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. i have shoes, cell phone so far. but wonder if theres better to complaint about |
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| 19:06.30 | abrotman | nvz: and? |
| 19:06.33 | nkuttler | sandman: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper. and why are you surprised it makes your box unstable? |
| 19:06.42 | nvz | abrotman: theres not really any room to add the H they got it too close to the edge of the stone |
| 19:06.45 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: women? |
| 19:06.54 | deadcat | nope |
| 19:07.09 | daReaper | I Have a server and when I login with SSH, everything workes fine, but when i try to login with SFTP i get an error incorrect user/pass. However from the server itself I can SFTP localhost perfectly fine... Any ideas of what could be wrong? |
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| 19:07.10 | deadcat | askance: i have hard time finding the link man |
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| 19:07.16 | mick_home | Ungy: basically my dad used to have some guy do some IT stuff - and he gave him money to get the registration - now that he was fired for doing illegal activities (mainly stealing products and sellin gg them on ebay),he wants to charge my Dad an insain amount to get the domain back |
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| 19:07.23 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: windows? |
| 19:07.41 | mick_home | oh ya, and that bastard sent me a bill for it since I asked him to put me as the domain admin |
| 19:07.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: thats my persuasive |
| 19:07.48 | askance | deadcat: i'll find it for ya, I'm having a hard time finding it too |
| 19:07.54 | deadcat | hehe |
| 19:08.00 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: mac mini here? |
| 19:08.00 | Ungy | mick_home you screwed dude |
| 19:08.02 | abrotman | mick_home: call your registrar .. they may be able to get it back |
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| 19:08.20 | Ungy | mick_home, unless your the name under the domain your screwed |
| 19:08.21 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: no basterds are giving me the run around |
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| 19:08.27 | deadcat | damn |
| 19:08.32 | mick_home | abrotman: it is under his name since my Dad doesn't know any better |
| 19:08.55 | mick_home | thats what i was thinking |
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| 19:09.00 | mick_home | i may be screwed |
| 19:09.10 | abrotman | mick_home: the guy is the registrant and the contacts ? |
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| 19:09.30 | nvz | screwed blue, gooed, and tatooed |
| 19:09.43 | mick_home | let me check the whois |
| 19:09.47 | abrotman | today is friday right ? |
| 19:09.54 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: aim doesnt work again? |
| 19:09.54 | nvz | all day |
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| 19:10.00 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: 10.0.0.199? thats private class A |
| 19:10.02 | stew | mick_home: if you dad has rights to the domain as a legal mark, then he might be able to get it in trademark infringement |
| 19:10.10 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: huh? |
| 19:10.10 | mick_home | descr: is my Dad's company |
| 19:10.13 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: it works. i am online. |
| 19:10.26 | mick_home | [admin-c][tech-c][zone-c] - the other guy |
| 19:10.33 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: did you block me then you monkey? |
| 19:10.35 | abrotman | mick_home: what's the domain ? |
| 19:10.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: didnt do shit to centericq |
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| 19:10.48 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i dont see you either. |
| 19:11.01 | askance | deadcat : try http://jdl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=10149 |
| 19:11.14 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ah. i had to quit and login again |
| 19:11.41 | deadcat | askance: i need ppc. this is x86 though. |
| 19:12.12 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I used dhclient to connect cause I couldnt get the interfaces file to work or something.. |
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| 19:12.22 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ah |
| 19:12.35 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:12.51 | deadcat | k |
| 19:13.05 | stew | mick_home: if your dad paid him for the domain, he also might have some legal claim i'd think |
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| 20:44.06 | ecliptik | !subversion |
| 20:44.06 | dpkg | well, subversion is a compelling replacement for CVS, or available at http://subversion.tigris.org/ read the book: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/, or it adds: atomic commits and file renaming/copying, very tight network protocol. |
| 20:44.23 | ecliptik | !mod_dav |
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| 20:44.50 | zeroC | hi... does anyone use hugin?? |
| 20:44.51 | peterS | ecliptik: if you're wanting to create a webdav server, you can install the libapache-mod-dav package, or just apache2 which includes this already |
| 20:44.57 | KarMax | debootstrap --arch i386 --verbose [sarge or sid or woody i try all] /mnt/deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian |
| 20:45.06 | peterS | zeroC: wtf is hugin? |
| 20:45.08 | ircops | !anyone |
| 20:45.08 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:45.19 | zeroC | hugin is a program to create panorama pics... |
| 20:45.20 | abrotman | !hugin |
| 20:45.20 | dpkg | methinks hugin is a GUI for panorama tools - there's no offical .deb yet. See http://hugin.sourceforge.net/. |
| 20:45.24 | zeroC | @ peters |
| 20:45.25 | ravenbird | well, peters is tired, or the mouse guru, or <petemc> peterS: you're the sober yin to #debians firey yang, or should schedule errands for when temperatures are warmer than -12C. |
| 20:45.44 | peterS | hmmm. who added that last bit? |
| 20:45.48 | abrotman | you? |
| 20:45.49 | ecliptik | pererS, thanks I'm just trying to figure out of I really need webdav, it seems like subversion can accomplish the same thing over a local network |
| 20:45.50 | abrotman | !peters |
| 20:45.50 | dpkg | peters is probably tired |
| 20:45.56 | peterS | no, not I |
| 20:45.58 | abrotman | i'd ask apt .. but he died |
| 20:46.01 | abrotman | !factinfo peters |
| 20:46.01 | dpkg | peters -- created by peterS <peter@156.26.14.11> at Mon Sep 8 03:27:22 2003 (760 days); it has been requested 82 times, last by abrotman, 11s ago; it has been locked by peterS. |
| 20:46.11 | abrotman | @factinfo peters |
| 20:46.13 | ravenbird | peters -- last modified at Thu Jan 6 23:37:41 2005 by karsten!~karsten@host-66-81-222-10.rev.o1.com; it has been requested 2 times, last by zeroC, 49s ago. |
| 20:46.18 | abrotman | karsten: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:46.21 | peterS | might've known it was he |
| 20:46.29 | stew | !peterssmite abrotman |
| 20:46.36 | abrotman | !abrotmansmite stew |
| 20:46.39 | abrotman | :( |
| 20:46.46 | peterS | now that one sounds like something abrotman added |
| 20:46.51 | abrotman | nope |
| 20:46.57 | abrotman | !stew this |
| 20:46.57 | dpkg | well, stew this is my log about the libncurses5-dev |
| 20:46.59 | peterS | oh well. it sounds like it. |
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| 20:47.14 | stew | what? |
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| 20:47.23 | abrotman | peterS: cafuego did it :) |
| 20:47.32 | peterS | ah. figures. |
| 20:47.45 | peterS | where is cthulfuego anyway? |
| 20:47.50 | Lounis_ | hello do you know where is the channel of the linus kernel developers? |
| 20:47.53 | abrotman | stew: gah .. the torture!!! |
| 20:47.59 | abrotman | peterS: been absent ... |
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| 20:48.28 | peterS | Lounis_: you should check irc.oftc.net #kernelnewbies |
| 20:48.28 | eeyore- | does debian ship a static version of libgcc_s? |
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| 20:48.40 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:48.43 | Azrael_- | if i start kismet it doesnt display me the signal-strength of the wlan. Any idea how to solve this? |
| 20:48.43 | abrotman | eeyore-: always ... with the difficult questions! |
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| 20:48.50 | ircops | !seen cafuego |
| 20:48.50 | dpkg | cafuego is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 55220 messages. Is idling for 18d 14h 29m 36s |
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| 20:48.52 | ircops | lol 18days |
| 20:48.59 | Lounis_ | peterS, thank you |
| 20:49.31 | eeyore- | abrotman: :-) well, we run into a runtime issue with wrong versioning ... so we're trying to link-out the runtime libgcc_s ... i see option "-static -libgcc" |
| 20:49.35 | abrotman | peterS: i miss g4lt and thomas_adam too :( |
| 20:49.40 | Frem | Hey, I've noticed screenshots showing gtk2 apps only using ~5mb in top, but I use ~15mb for those same apps on my system? |
| 20:49.46 | adz | does anyone know if theres a way of installing ndiswrapper / kernel-module-ndiswrapper and wlan tools quickly with apt-get ? |
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| 20:50.03 | peterS | abrotman: I don't peek in here nearly as often as I used to, so I don't have a good feel for who is around at all and who is not |
| 20:50.09 | abrotman | !seen g4lt |
| 20:50.09 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 365d 20h 13m 26s ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 20:50.22 | abrotman | peterS: thomas_adam comes in .. once in a great while |
| 20:50.27 | mjk64 | peterS: Well, *I'm* around! :-) |
| 20:50.37 | peterS | true |
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| 20:50.38 | abrotman | peters is round |
| 20:50.39 | Frem | adz: I think you just answered your own question? Those are all in the debian package library. |
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| 20:50.57 | adz | apt-get install ndiswrapper doesnt work |
| 20:50.59 | adz | but nm |
| 20:51.08 | stew | adz: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper |
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| 20:51.17 | Frem | adz: apt-get cache search ndiswrapper |
| 20:51.20 | adz | theres a .deb package on the sourceforge website |
| 20:51.23 | adz | thanks |
| 20:51.28 | stew | adz: err /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 20:51.35 | Frem | adz: oops, apt-cache. nvm. |
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| 20:51.48 | adz | is it apt-cache search packagename? |
| 20:51.54 | Frem | yeah |
| 20:52.00 | adz | thx |
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| 20:52.20 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 20:52.22 | KarMax | stew, "Bug#308169: debootstrap: can't mmap package info file" (http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308169) thats the same problem i have |
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| 20:52.35 | NyteRukh | hello |
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| 20:53.15 | factor | is it ok to upgrade to debian unstable right now? |
| 20:53.27 | factor | no big problems? |
| 20:53.29 | abrotman | define ok |
| 20:53.34 | factor | works |
| 20:53.41 | abrotman | FSVO works |
| 20:53.56 | Frem | factor: Dosen't unstable always have at least *some* problems? Hence the name? |
| 20:54.10 | factor | I had to downgrade last time becasue kde was broken |
| 20:54.22 | factor | is kde ok now??? |
| 20:54.31 | stew | factor: ask #debian-kde |
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| 20:55.17 | peterS | I'm no god of #debian. that would be the people in '/msg chanserv access #debian list' |
| 20:55.19 | DarkMare | hey, I'm on a laptop using sarge with a 2.4 kernel and it keep freezing during the boot sequence when I have a PCMCIA SATA card plugged in. would switching to a 2.6 kernel solve this problem? |
| 20:55.32 | mjk64 | peterS: Then make that "half-god" :-) |
| 20:55.40 | ecliptik | anyone know what the webdav channel is? #webdav is blank |
| 20:56.05 | Gnea | DarkMare: there's a really good chance, yeah |
| 20:56.15 | abrotman | peterS: can i please be a god?!?!!? |
| 20:56.16 | Gnea | DarkMare: 2.4 doesn't support sata very well at all |
| 20:56.32 | DarkMare | Gnea: would 2.6 solve the problem? |
| 20:56.45 | stew | !worship abrotman |
| 20:56.48 | DarkMare | or does the problem still persist in 2.6? |
| 20:56.49 | Gnea | DarkMare: try it and see. 2.6 works with all other SATA configurations. |
| 20:56.55 | DarkMare | ok, thanks |
| 20:56.58 | abrotman | w00t |
| 20:56.59 | peterS | abrotman: as far as I'm concerned you can nominate yourself as whatever you want |
| 20:57.02 | Gnea | just boot: linux26 |
| 20:57.03 | Frem | DarkMare, It probably would. It might not. Try it and see. You can always downgrade again. |
| 20:57.19 | hramrach | Except mine sata configuration :/ |
| 20:57.20 | abrotman | peterS: fine .. i nominate myself to be .. 'abrotman'!!! |
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| 20:57.30 | DarkMare | Gnea: how do I do that? I haven't been using linux for very long |
| 20:57.31 | peterS | he's a brotman! |
| 20:57.40 | Gnea | DarkMare: i just told you |
| 20:57.47 | abrotman | that's all i'll ever be .. a lowly abrotman |
| 20:57.49 | peterS | "she turned me into a brotman" |
| 20:57.52 | Gnea | DarkMare: you're just installing, right? |
| 20:57.53 | peterS | "...I got bettah" |
| 20:57.56 | DarkMare | Gnea |
| 20:57.59 | DarkMare | no, it's installed |
| 20:58.02 | Gnea | oooh |
| 20:58.07 | Gnea | sarge? |
| 20:58.12 | DarkMare | it hangs during the boot sequence when I have the PCMCIA card plugged in |
| 20:58.12 | DarkMare | yeah |
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| 20:58.29 | Gnea | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 |
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| 20:58.45 | DarkMare | I can use apt-get to updated the kernel? nice |
| 20:58.54 | Gnea | of course |
| 20:59.10 | DarkMare | how do I reverse an upgrade using apt-get? |
| 20:59.14 | Gnea | make sure module-init-tools gets installed too (it should grab that by default) |
| 20:59.16 | DarkMare | in case I want to go back to 2.4 |
| 20:59.19 | Gnea | you don't |
| 20:59.22 | DarkMare | ok |
| 20:59.22 | Gnea | 2.4 is there |
| 20:59.23 | DarkMare | lol |
| 20:59.30 | Gnea | you'll just see it as a boot option :) |
| 20:59.35 | DarkMare | ahhh, nice |
| 20:59.37 | DarkMare | thanks :) |
| 20:59.39 | Gnea | np |
| 20:59.49 | Frem | That's not a precompiled kernel, though, is it? I had to get one with i386 in the package name. |
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| 20:59.59 | Gnea | it is |
| 21:00.07 | Gnea | kernel-*IMAGE*-2.6.8 |
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| 21:00.23 | Frem | oh, ok. so that's like a redirect package mask thingie? |
| 21:00.27 | EdgEy | lol |
| 21:00.31 | Gnea | rofl |
| 21:00.43 | Gnea | Frem: something like that |
| 21:00.44 | EdgEy | anyone on sid dont upgrade without dist-upgrade |
| 21:00.50 | EdgEy | or ps/2 support dies |
| 21:00.59 | Gnea | really? |
| 21:01.03 | EdgEy | and by that i mean apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:01.05 | myren | what would keep ssh X11 forwarding from working? |
| 21:01.09 | EdgEy | Gnea, well it did for me heh |
| 21:01.19 | EdgEy | keyboard wouldnt work at all, GRUB didnt even have it working |
| 21:01.21 | peterS | myren: the server has to have the option enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 21:01.23 | myren | i went through /etc/ssh/sshd_config and enabled it, but its still not working |
| 21:01.26 | EdgEy | ssh'd in from the other comp to fix it |
| 21:01.27 | myren | yeah i did taht |
| 21:01.34 | Gnea | myren: $DISPLAY and not using the -X option to login with |
| 21:01.35 | myren | i ssh -X as well |
| 21:01.40 | myren | not using |
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| 21:01.48 | peterS | myren: install 'xbase-clients' on *both* ends |
| 21:02.00 | peterS | myren: (or, more technically, /usr/bin/X11/xauth must be available at both ends) |
| 21:02.18 | myren | ah, thats probably it peterS |
| 21:02.26 | myren | all tragic 30megs of it. :( :( :( |
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| 21:02.52 | peterS | myren: Installed-Size: 4668. so, thankfully, you're off by an order of magnitude |
| 21:03.07 | myren | all the dependencies that go with it are rather frightening |
| 21:03.09 | peterS | though if you don't have the X libraries installed already, that'll add some |
| 21:03.13 | myren | there's an army of libx*'s |
| 21:03.23 | Gnea | EdgEy: ah, i'll have to wait till i get hom to try - i did an upgrade yesterday w/o the dist-upgrade and it was working fine |
| 21:03.31 | EdgEy | strange |
| 21:03.35 | EdgEy | i did it like 20 mins ago |
| 21:03.42 | EdgEy | it upgraded like 100 packages |
| 21:03.45 | EdgEy | o_o |
| 21:03.48 | Gnea | EdgEy: the problem i had was with bug-buddy |
| 21:03.53 | Gnea | well, still have the problem |
| 21:04.00 | Gnea | it's checking for a program or existing |
| 21:04.00 | peterS | myren: that's something that needs fixing, I think. X programs compiled through an Imakefile pick up dependencies on *all* the core X libraries even if they don't need most of them |
| 21:04.03 | EdgEy | just make sure you have some way back in |
| 21:04.03 | Gnea | exiting |
| 21:04.04 | Gnea | lol |
| 21:04.06 | EdgEy | or a usb keyboard |
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| 21:04.19 | EdgEy | it may be keyboard support and not ps/2, not really sure |
| 21:04.24 | EdgEy | usb mouse worked fine |
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| 21:04.26 | peterS | myren: then again, there are enough programs in xbase-clients that maybe they really do need all of those |
| 21:04.30 | Gnea | hrm |
| 21:04.32 | Gnea | that's odd |
| 21:04.37 | Gnea | now that you mention it.... |
| 21:04.43 | myren | I'll live. ;) |
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| 21:04.49 | Gnea | EdgEy: it was doing that earlier this week on this machine too |
| 21:04.57 | Gnea | but i don't have a ps2 mouse for it currently |
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| 21:05.06 | Gnea | EdgEy: you say dist-upgrade fixes that? |
| 21:05.08 | EdgEy | i haven't upgraded in a few days |
| 21:05.21 | EdgEy | Gnea, it seemed to, even though all it installed was like, openssl/libssl |
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| 21:05.38 | Gnea | cuz i have my /dev/psaux file but there's no i/o on it |
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| 21:05.58 | myren | my bp6 dual celeron 466 board died. :( |
| 21:06.01 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice |
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| 21:06.15 | peterS | myren: heh, BP6, an oldie but goodie |
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| 21:07.43 | myren | i had two. i gave the other one to my parents to replace the p166 i handed down to them before that |
| 21:07.57 | abrotman | jjazz: might end being a good ALCS :) |
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| 21:09.11 | Iconsumed | can I make grub automaticly detect and add my windows disc? |
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| 21:09.57 | jbroome | moment of silence for the fallen BP6 |
| 21:10.16 | abrotman | oh .. it's just a motherboard |
| 21:10.20 | mjk64 | :-) (Hey, I'm silent!) |
| 21:10.47 | myren | Are there any linode like services? Linode seems a little expensive.... |
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| 21:11.30 | kittenbot | myren: Get a friend to split the cost with you... |
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| 21:11.57 | hulu | what ports does freenode use? |
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| 21:12.13 | peterS | hulu: run 'netstat -Ainet | grep freenode' and find out (: |
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| 21:12.56 | hulu | peterS: will that work if i'm behind a firewall? |
| 21:12.58 | Iconsumed | I have a windows installation, and I want to be able to boot into it with grub, but I do not know what to add to the "menu.lst" is there a tool for autoconfiguration? |
| 21:13.18 | peterS | hulu: it'll tell you you are connected to "something.freenode.net:ircd" and if you 'grep ircd /etc/services' you will see it is TCP port 6667 |
| 21:13.21 | hulu | anyhow the output was nill |
| 21:13.27 | hramrach | hmm, I saw another service like linode but cannot remember the name |
| 21:13.39 | hulu | right, but i'm also wondering if there are other ports, since that one is blocked |
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| 21:14.00 | myren | If the system I'm ssh'ing from is :10, does the remote system need to be localhost:10 or localhost:20? |
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| 21:14.27 | hulu | peterS: and i want to know all ports, not just the one i happen to be on |
| 21:14.45 | peterS | hulu: right. interestingly, http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml doesn't say anything about this. I thought it would |
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| 21:14.54 | hulu | no it don't |
| 21:14.58 | myren | Still not working. :/ |
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| 21:15.32 | hulu | i thought usually 6667-6669 are used, but was hoping there might be some "non standard" ones as well |
| 21:15.32 | peterS | hulu: I suppose you should probably ask in #freenode, once they give you a +v flag, which isn't done automatically |
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| 21:16.12 | hulu | peterS: yeah i noticed that about that channel :-( |
| 21:16.44 | Hal|Celly | what's the problem, hulu ? |
| 21:16.58 | myren | oh bollox, must be somethign wrong with cygwin. |
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| 21:17.56 | hulu | Hal: wanted to know what ports freenode uses, since 6667 is blocked for me |
| 21:18.01 | abrotman | hulu: the incoming to freenode is the standard irc port .. outoing from your box is another question |
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| 21:18.08 | Hal|Celly | uhmm |
| 21:18.16 | Hal|Celly | how can 6667 be blocked ? |
| 21:18.18 | RevolutionOs | uncompress .mod files |
| 21:18.21 | Hal|Celly | are you behind a firewall ? |
| 21:18.24 | peterS | hulu: from #freenode: <jilles> 7000 and 7070 are often available |
| 21:18.47 | RevolutionOs | uncompress .mod files? |
| 21:19.06 | Hal|Celly | yes |
| 21:19.08 | Hal|Celly | both are open |
| 21:19.11 | Hal|Celly | just tried ^_^ |
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| 21:19.20 | hulu | peterS: thanks |
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| 21:19.37 | hulu | happy days are here again :-) |
| 21:19.56 | abrotman | stew: back to back homers! |
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| 21:21.07 | stew | yeah, just heard :) |
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| 21:22.45 | Segers_J | RevolutionOs: are you looking for a program that will play .mod files? or allow you to extract the samples, or what? |
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| 21:23.42 | bsims | Grr no news on apt-listpackages... grumble grumble |
| 21:23.50 | abrotman | fart fart |
| 21:24.13 | abrotman | oh crap! |
| 21:24.15 | bsims | I simply DO NOT trust sid enough atm to upgrade 300+ packages blind <g> |
| 21:24.24 | abrotman | bsims: quit whining .. just do it .. what's the worst that happens ? |
| 21:24.31 | peterS | abrotman: dude, careful with that flatulence. several users just netsplit to get away from you |
| 21:24.40 | bsims | abrotman: I lose my porn collection |
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| 21:24.49 | bsims | 120+ GB and growing |
| 21:24.55 | RevolutionOs | nooo is a morphix distro i need descompresss a .mod for take a file |
| 21:24.58 | Segers_J | holy jebus |
| 21:25.06 | bsims | Gods I love Usenet and a cable modem |
| 21:25.19 | Mortalman[bum] | bsims: Nah, porn will be there, just your stable OS won't be. |
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| 21:25.38 | bsims | Mortalman[bum]: he /was/ asking worse case... |
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| 21:25.54 | pmjdebruijn | does anybody here still know where to find a Patato repository (it's for a really old machine) |
| 21:25.57 | Segers_J | RevolutionOs: oh, sorry, no clue, try #morphix if it exists. |
| 21:26.04 | RevolutionOs | ok thanks |
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| 21:26.18 | bsims | pmjdebruijn: snapshot.debian.net? |
| 21:26.22 | peterS | pmjdebruijn: google for "archive.debian.org mirror" |
| 21:26.33 | peterS | pmjdebruijn: the original archive.debian.org seems not to be around but mirrors are pretty easy to find |
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| 21:26.40 | Mortalman[bum] | bsims: Ok, but how do you lose non-package related data by upgrading packages? |
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| 21:27.09 | bsims | true... |
| 21:27.16 | pmjdebruijn | peterS, archive.debian.org just works |
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| 21:27.19 | valdyn | Mortalman: by having a postinstall or postremoval script do rm -rf / |
| 21:28.02 | Mortalman | valdyn: Likelyhood of that is less than "Spontaneous HD Format". |
| 21:28.04 | bsims | Mortalman: or having perl break which means apt and dpkg don't work (I am not sure on the dpkg part) |
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| 21:28.24 | valdyn | Mortalman: well, it happened in sid |
| 21:28.31 | Wyzard | bsims: I've been running sid for five years on this box, updating daily, never needed to reinstall... the only time I've come close to losing data was when I used hdparm to set a drive into a DMA mode that its driver didn't support properly, which caused filesystem corruption |
| 21:28.38 | abrotman | peterS: it wasn't me! |
| 21:28.42 | abrotman | bsims: oh .. ok |
| 21:28.43 | Wyzard | bsims: but that was my own fault, not sid's |
| 21:28.44 | pmjdebruijn | It seems Potato didn't have KDE 1.1.2 :(, can anybody here remember an external repo for that from the old days? |
| 21:28.46 | bsims | LOL abrotman |
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| 21:28.53 | Mortalman | valdyn: Happened as in past tense? Seriously? lmao |
| 21:28.54 | peterS | pmjdebruijn: ahh, good deal. last I tried it it did not work. it seems someone has fixed it |
| 21:29.05 | bsims | Yay time to go home |
| 21:29.12 | valdyn | Mortalman: yea, there's one factoid about that, maybe i can find it.. |
| 21:29.20 | peterS | pmjdebruijn: back in the old days, the selling point of Corel Linux was "debian plus a pretty installer plus KDE" |
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| 21:32.33 | adz | anyone know what to ask dpkg for the apt-get kernel header sources command |
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| 21:32.48 | adz | thought it was apt-get install kernel-header-sources(uname -r) |
| 21:33.20 | stew | adz: apt-get kernel-header-$(uname -r) or kernel-sources-$(uname -r) |
| 21:33.33 | stew | err make that kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:33.57 | adz | ah missed the dollar thx |
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| 21:34.17 | peterS | or linux-headers-$(uname -r) if uname -r reports 2.6.12 or later |
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| 21:34.41 | fowler | I need to share desktop.Sort of like VNC, but I don't want to create another session. I want the remote session to see what the local user sees. Any ideas? |
| 21:34.59 | adz | couldnt find the package :/ |
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| 21:35.19 | valdyn | fowler: vino |
| 21:35.25 | adz | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 21:35.29 | SimonRaven | the $() is the same as `` |
| 21:35.29 | stew | fowler: use the rfb vnc server |
| 21:35.35 | fowler | Valandil, - thanks - investigation it now |
| 21:35.40 | stew | adz: what version of debian? |
| 21:35.45 | fowler | and that too. |
| 21:35.48 | peterS | that's sarge |
| 21:35.51 | adz | sarge i think |
| 21:35.53 | Mortalman | Can ext3 filesystems and their corresponding partitions be resized without data loss? |
| 21:36.02 | adz | netinstall from debian.org |
| 21:36.05 | peterS | Mortalman: yes. use 'parted' but not while the filesystem is mounted |
| 21:36.18 | adz | oh ethernet cable come out of server might be why :P |
| 21:36.22 | stew | adz: if your sources are pointing at sarge or stable you should be able to apt-get install kenrel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 21:36.48 | peterS | Mortalman: or, if you know what you're doing, cfdisk and resize2fs. (the trick is to know which to do in what order, depends on whether you're enlarging or reducing) |
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| 21:37.51 | Mortalman | peterS: I'd assume to shrink I would do resize2fs, then cfdisk. correct? |
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| 21:38.30 | Clorinda_Gay_Cam | hola |
| 21:38.40 | peterS | Mortalman: actually what I do is resize2fs slightly smaller than needed, then cfdisk, then resize2fs again without specifying a size. you know, so you don't have to try to calculate this stuff exactly |
| 21:38.53 | DarkMare | hey |
| 21:39.02 | DarkMare | Gnea: I'm still having problem with the boot sequence |
| 21:39.08 | peterS | Mortalman: also note that cfdisk changes on-disk partition tables but can only update the kernel's notion of partition boundaries if nobody is using the disk in question. if anyone is, you'll need to reboot or something before the last resize2fs |
| 21:39.17 | DarkMare | it no longer freezes like it used to with the 2.4 kernel |
| 21:39.21 | DarkMare | it recognizes the HD |
| 21:39.32 | DarkMare | but then it just times out |
| 21:39.42 | Mortalman | peterS: good idea. cool, thanks |
| 21:39.49 | peterS | Mortalman: moral of the story: after cfdisk, do 'cat /proc/partitions' to see if the kernel's notion of partition boundaries seems up-to-date |
| 21:39.58 | eeyore- | abrotman: the answer is "-static-gcc" gcc option |
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| 21:48.45 | SimonRaven | @tell morteo_ -about root |
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| 21:52.26 | mrec | does anyone know how to get esound running from another host? looks like some magic is needed there |
| 21:53.54 | Scognito | i have 2.6 with udev and blablabla....i got my usbcard reader working adding rules but not my ipod |
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| 21:54.08 | Scognito | i added: BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="iPod ", KERNEL="sd*", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="ipod |
| 21:54.34 | Scognito | and the device is created when i insert the ipod but it creaters /dev/ipod as link to /dev/sda |
| 21:54.41 | Scognito | i want it creates /dev/sda2 |
| 21:54.45 | Scognito | any hint? |
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| 21:55.42 | Thirsteh | How do I make KDM the default login manager? |
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| 21:55.59 | Thirsteh | E.g. what file holds the information about whether it's GDM or KDM, etc. |
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| 21:56.08 | SimonRaven | uh, well, you told it to do that. there is no device named 'ipod'. you can't just make stuff up. would help if you RTFM |
| 21:56.09 | pipeline | Thirsteh: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 21:56.22 | Thirsteh | pipeline, I love you |
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| 21:56.35 | vyrus | how do i fixx this ? *** Failed to load overlay chrome://enigmail/content/enigmailCheckLanguage.xul |
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| 21:57.07 | DarkMare | I'm having problems with a SATA hard drive during the boot sequence. It times out during write back. The drive is a 200 GB Maxtor DiamondMax 10 and I'm using a 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 21:57.19 | DarkMare | does anyone have any idea of how to solve this? |
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| 21:58.32 | cj | is mod_perl2 is sarge yet? |
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| 22:04.14 | SimonRaven | cj: if apache2 is in sarge, then that should be too... |
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| 22:04.25 | SimonRaven | !info libapache2-mod-perl2 sarge |
| 22:04.28 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-perl2: (Integration of perl with the Apache2 web server), section perl, is optional. Version: 1.999.21-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 627 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
| 22:04.36 | SimonRaven | cj: ^^^^^ |
| 22:04.41 | cj | thanks, SimonRaven |
| 22:05.11 | SimonRaven | np |
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| 22:06.43 | dogmeat | is there a way to encrypt passwords with a command line tool? |
| 22:06.49 | digits | nice, got a stable debian with ruby on rails, apache, lighttpd, mysql installed under an hour :) |
| 22:06.59 | cj | SimonRaven: looks like that's 1.99 |
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| 22:07.17 | SimonRaven | cj: yes, it's still mod_perl2 |
| 22:07.39 | cj | SimonRaven: it's mod_perl.pm and not mod_perl2.pm, though |
| 22:07.40 | thingfish | !beer digits |
| 22:08.01 | SimonRaven | cj dpkg -L libapache2-mod-perl2 | less |
| 22:08.11 | DarkMare | I'm having problems with a SATA hard drive during the boot sequence. It times out during write back. The drive is a 200 GB Maxtor DiamondMax 10 and I'm using a 2.6.8 kernel. does anyone have any idea of how to solve this? |
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| 22:08.19 | digits | thingfish: now I just have to learn how to use apt-* and dpkg ;P |
| 22:08.28 | cj | SimonRaven: yep :( |
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| 22:08.46 | thingfish | digits: they're easy, you'll pick it up in no time. |
| 22:09.04 | SimonRaven | cj: it still is mod_perl 2 however... |
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| 22:09.18 | cj | SimonRaven: but HTML::Mason is looking for mod_perl2 |
| 22:09.20 | digits | thingfish: that's why "man" and "info" were invented, right? ;P |
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| 22:09.41 | SimonRaven | ask in #perl, or #apache |
| 22:10.00 | thingfish | digits: yep |
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| 22:10.05 | cj | thanks, SimonRaven |
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| 22:10.31 | myren | is there a cp which will show me progress through the file? |
| 22:10.45 | myren | i'm copying some 10 gb files back and forth and would like to know how many days wait i've got left |
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| 22:10.58 | digits | time to celebrate... got some 12years old :) |
| 22:11.18 | thingfish | scotch? |
| 22:11.23 | myren | boys? |
| 22:11.31 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:11.38 | dippo | hi. I just upgraded from debian woody to sarge and suddenly i am getting an error when I try to use SMTP AUTH: warning: SASL authentication problem: unknown password verifier |
| 22:11.42 | dippo | any ideas? |
| 22:12.47 | SimonRaven | not without more info... |
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| 22:14.14 | dippo | anything in particular? |
| 22:14.17 | dippo | i was using pam authentication |
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| 22:14.53 | SimonRaven | as much info as you can. |
| 22:14.56 | SimonRaven | @paster |
| 22:14.56 | ravenbird | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 22:15.02 | SimonRaven | and use ^^^^ |
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| 22:17.43 | dippo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/864 |
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| 22:18.00 | micro^usta | good evening |
| 22:18.07 | myren | cp replacements with progres indicators? eh, eh? c'mon, dont be shy,. |
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| 22:18.08 | digits | thingfish: Laphroaig |
| 22:18.15 | micro^usta | or good morning on the other side of world ;) |
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| 22:18.27 | digits | themolester: bah... 10 yrs old that is |
| 22:18.35 | dnabre | anyone have any idea on why one of my disks would be detected as having a CUMANA/ADFS-type partition table? |
| 22:19.23 | dogmeat | anyone know how to generate crypt style passwords from plain text? |
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| 22:19.25 | dogmeat | !crypt |
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| 22:19.56 | datallah | I've got a weird problem with DNS lookups. I have 3 nameserver entries in resolv.conf, but a DNS lookup seems to only ever hit the first server - even if no entry is found. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 22:20.05 | micro^usta | to the point: i managed themed GDM (graphical mode) to use NIS-Users for login, so all 30 user are shown, but not my user ... I can login with Username, but i got no Icon for my name? This is not a matter at all, but i would like to know why this is. Any ideas? |
| 22:20.06 | SimonRaven | dippo: ask in #postfix, i'm clueless with postfix |
| 22:20.07 | dogmeat | dpkg will do crypt |
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| 22:20.36 | ultraviolet16 | hey everyone. I'm trying to figure out if I have the proper nvidia drivers installed on my system. how do i do that? |
| 22:20.38 | SimonRaven | dippo: keep that URI handy, they'll want to see it too |
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| 22:20.44 | cureless | micro^usta: maybe it's one of the excluded users, or above/below a certain uid |
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| 22:21.06 | ultraviolet16 | I want to know so that I can determine wether or not I should install nvidia acceleration or what |
| 22:21.24 | valdyn | ultraviolet16: run glxinfo |
| 22:21.37 | KarMax | hello, why when i do "base-config" it end with "Terminated" and when i do "dpkg-reconfigure base-config" doesnt do anything? |
| 22:21.54 | ultraviolet16 | valdyn thanks, i'll man it to figure out what it's for.. |
| 22:21.55 | dippo | ok, thanks |
| 22:22.12 | micro^usta | cureless, im shown in KDM too, and its also a normal user in the NIS-Db |
| 22:22.42 | cureless | micro^usta: so basically you're like every other user but you don't appear on the list. |
| 22:22.53 | micro^usta | yes |
| 22:23.05 | cureless | micro^usta: have you excluded yourself somehow on some config file? Do you have a personal picture that might be the wrong format? |
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| 22:23.13 | dogmeat | what is crypt? |
| 22:23.20 | micro^usta | no, nothin at all, thats what i am wondering about |
| 22:24.24 | micro^usta | i migrated 2h before from mandrake to deb, since i took the admin's job and i do not like mandrake at all. But now only my User-Account is not shown, but all other |
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| 22:24.54 | cureless | micro^usta: I don't know, check the logs. |
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| 22:25.04 | DarkMare | I'm having problems with a SATA hard drive during the boot sequence. It times out during write back. The drive is a 200 GB Maxtor DiamondMax 10 and I'm using a 2.6.8 kernel. does anyone have any idea of how to solve this? |
| 22:25.27 | micro^usta | nothin in either |
| 22:25.30 | shad0wcat | is it the stock debian kernel? |
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| 22:25.41 | DarkMare | shad0wcat: yeah |
| 22:25.48 | shad0wcat | what hard disk |
| 22:25.51 | shad0wcat | and what sata chipset? |
| 22:25.56 | micro^usta | i really like it that way, so noone will know my username just by watching |
| 22:26.06 | DarkMare | 200 GB Maxtor DiamondMax 10 |
| 22:26.09 | micro^usta | but i'm interessted why this is happening |
| 22:26.16 | DarkMare | no idea about the chipset |
| 22:26.27 | DarkMare | it recognizes the HD |
| 22:26.32 | DarkMare | but then times out during write back |
| 22:26.36 | DarkMare | and crashes right afterwards |
| 22:26.40 | shad0wcat | bad drive |
| 22:26.43 | shad0wcat | probably |
| 22:26.46 | DarkMare | no |
| 22:26.49 | DarkMare | it works perfectly in windows |
| 22:26.58 | shad0wcat | ok again |
| 22:27.00 | shad0wcat | what chipset? |
| 22:27.18 | DarkMare | I don't know |
| 22:27.26 | shad0wcat | well find out |
| 22:27.37 | shad0wcat | "it works perfectly in Windows" is a bit vague |
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| 22:28.32 | SimonRaven | and completely useless |
| 22:28.43 | shad0wcat | that too |
| 22:29.07 | SimonRaven | chipset : use lspci to find out... |
| 22:29.38 | DarkMare | ok, I'll be back in a bit then |
| 22:29.40 | DarkMare | thx |
| 22:29.56 | DarkMare | oh, one thing though |
| 22:30.04 | DarkMare | I'm on a laptop, the HD is connected to a PCMCIA card |
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| 22:31.10 | DarkMare | a Silicon Image Sil 3112 SATALink Controller |
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| 22:31.56 | Arsion | well, i at least found the problem with libc6 |
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| 22:32.09 | Arsion | the deb i have has a parse error |
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| 22:32.16 | shad0wcat | libc6? |
| 22:32.18 | shad0wcat | which deb? |
| 22:32.20 | shad0wcat | which version? |
| 22:32.41 | Arsion | libc6_2.3.5-6_i386.deb |
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| 22:32.49 | shad0wcat | is that in unstable? |
| 22:32.55 | Arsion | testing |
| 22:33.07 | shad0wcat | hmm... |
| 22:33.11 | shad0wcat | I guess I avoided that then |
| 22:33.30 | Arsion | well, i guess thats what i get for trying to do stand-alone |
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| 22:34.13 | sme2 | hi, how could I disable the buffer writing to an mounted Device ? I mean it writes all when I umount(or sync) it. Could I deactivate that ? |
| 22:34.29 | Arsion | how do i download debootstrap? |
| 22:34.48 | SimonRaven | Arsion: install it... apt-get. man apt-get |
| 22:34.57 | Arsion | no network |
| 22:35.01 | Arsion | no internet |
| 22:35.07 | LinuxKeitaro | I'm setting up a printer server and I edited the cupsd.conf to Browsing On and BrowseAddress @LOCAL so now I can see it in the client in the cups web page, but when I try to do something like print a test page, it says Forbidden |
| 22:35.16 | shad0wcat | sme2: you disable caching on the hd |
| 22:35.17 | shad0wcat | see hdparm |
| 22:35.28 | sme2 | mhh ok in fstab ? |
| 22:35.34 | shad0wcat | not sure |
| 22:35.36 | shad0wcat | never tired |
| 22:35.38 | shad0wcat | tried* |
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| 22:35.51 | Gentoo_basic | Hi! |
| 22:35.56 | DarkMare | SimonRaven, shad0wcat: I found a post on a mailing list from a user who has the exact same problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/08/msg00340.html |
| 22:36.01 | ponk | Arsion: Download the deb from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap |
| 22:36.07 | SimonRaven | Arsion: then you should take care of that first, or do it the old fashioned way with a floppy or something.... hint: put brain in first gear |
| 22:36.26 | DarkMare | the only differences are the fact that his card is PCI and mine is PCMCIA and that my HD is from Maxtor rather than Seagate |
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| 22:36.28 | Arsion | well, my brain has been in first gear |
| 22:36.37 | Gentoo_basic | Hi Revenger! |
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| 22:37.06 | Revenger | myren: your bp6 died ? |
| 22:37.08 | Revenger | hi |
| 22:37.40 | Arsion | laptop...no floppy, only a usb cdrom that cant boot. Have a network card, BUT cant install due to screwed up libc6 causing GLIBC errors on EVERYTHING but apt-get, but due to the errors, wont allow me to install the driver for the pcmcia network card |
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| 22:38.54 | nkuttler | Arsion: oh, you're still here? |
| 22:38.59 | ponk | Arsion: apt-get should also be linked against libc6. are you using stable? |
| 22:39.57 | Arsion | i have tried apt-get install libc6 ...it gives me dependency errors. so, all i need to know, is how or where do i download bootstrap from so i can use it to boot from hdd to be able to connect to my network and reinstall debian...no..using testing |
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| 22:41.03 | ultraviolet16 | Arsion I think what you want to do is change the sources in your sources.list file |
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| 22:41.05 | ultraviolet16 | to testing |
| 22:41.22 | ultraviolet16 | then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:41.23 | Arsion | sources.list only works if you can get out to the network |
| 22:41.44 | ultraviolet16 | you don't have a dhcp server? |
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| 22:42.12 | ponk | Arison: if in sources.list everything ponits to testing, check /etc/debian_version. |
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| 22:42.25 | Arsion | i have a router and such, BUT i cant install the 8139too driver for my network card to be able to reach it. Everytime i do, i get a GLIBC error |
| 22:42.55 | ponk | Arsion: modprobe 8139too |
| 22:42.59 | ultraviolet16 | you don't have another ethernet card lying around? |
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| 22:43.44 | Darth_Greig | ultraviolet16, he's on a laptop |
| 22:44.03 | ultraviolet16 | o |
| 22:44.20 | Arsion | all i need is a link to download deok, modprobe worked, but it doesnt appear to help, the green 100M light is on, but not the 10m light. Plus, ifconfig shows nothing and it appears ifupdown dont even exist anymore |
| 22:44.45 | ponk | Arsion: ifconfig ethX up |
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| 22:44.51 | Gentoo_basic | Do someone know how to re-create the apache-ssl certificate? (I use Debian, and I installed apache-ssl, using the precompiled images, not the source) |
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| 22:45.50 | Darth_Greig | Arsion, if modprobe worked to find it, try using insmod |
| 22:46.38 | bartden | hi, i have installed acerhk modprobed acerhk, i installed hotkeys and placed acertm.def in /usr/share/hotkeys/, but when i do hotkeys -l i get Error while parsing /usr/share/hotkeys/acertm.def |
| 22:46.56 | Arsion | ok, seems it all worked, my router homepage shows it connected |
| 22:47.11 | Arsion | now to add a source and see if apt-get works |
| 22:47.11 | Darth_Greig | Arsion, the insmod worked? |
| 22:47.25 | ponk | Arsion: Do you use dhcp or static ip? |
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| 22:47.39 | dmacdonald111 | hello all :) |
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| 22:48.38 | Arsion | router has static, but gives all pc's dhcp, it gave the laptop 192.178.1.4 |
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| 22:48.55 | ponk | Arsion: this sounds good. |
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| 22:49.34 | ponk | Arsion: are all problems solved. Or do you have routing or dns problems. |
| 22:49.46 | alundra | hi i got a problem, i tried to install debian but it doesnt find the dhcp network |
| 22:49.50 | SimonRaven | what happened to dinstall today? |
| 22:49.50 | alundra | i dont know why |
| 22:50.03 | ponk | SimonRaven: what happend? |
| 22:50.20 | dmacdonald111 | I need to add to my modules.conf file, but I cannot find one on my system. Is this the same as modules (no extension) or do I have to create my own? Thanks |
| 22:50.25 | SimonRaven | ponk: i don't know, that's why i'm asking |
| 22:50.33 | grafitie | I'm a noob, but I found that sometimes it just took a while to pick up an IP address.. in the installer you can try it again a couple of times, and on the second or third it seems to pick it up |
| 22:50.34 | Arsion | ok, last question, i hope. what is needed for source.list? so far i have: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/ stable main contrib |
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| 22:51.03 | ponk | Arsion: change stable to testing |
| 22:51.38 | grafitie | you should add some security updates in there too I think |
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| 22:51.42 | ponk | Arsion: and check if you're indeed running testing by loocking in /etc/debian_version |
| 22:52.13 | Arsion | all it says is 3.1 |
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| 22:52.26 | ponk | Arsion: you are running stable... |
| 22:52.28 | SimonRaven | also sources.list... debian_version says testing/unstable on etch or sid boxen... |
| 22:52.37 | SimonRaven | that's sarge |
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| 22:52.40 | ponk | Arsion: so don't change your sources.list! |
| 22:52.56 | Arsion | umm, have to, the only sources i had in it were cd-roms |
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| 22:53.29 | Arsion | hmm, looks like its not connecting |
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| 22:53.50 | dspstv_ | plis help, im getting this error when compiling a new kernel |
| 22:53.51 | dspstv_ | solemnwarning: /lib/modules/2.6.12/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko needs unknown symbol __compound_literal.170 |
| 22:53.54 | dspstv_ | solemnwarning: /lib/modules/2.6.12/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko needs unknown symbol __compound_literal.170 |
| 22:53.55 | dspstv_ | solemnwarning: /lib/modules/2.6.12/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko needs unknown symbol __compound_literal.170 |
| 22:53.58 | Arsion | i do apt-get update and get "couldn't stat source package list" |
| 22:53.59 | ponk | Arsion: Don't you have any http or ftp entries in there? |
| 22:54.01 | dspstv_ | sit sorry |
| 22:54.01 | Darth_Greig | Arsion, you can just add lines to it and leave the CD part alone. you should add security update line as well |
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| 22:54.17 | ponk | Arsion: apt-get update |
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| 22:54.46 | grafitie | can anybody help me with my X-server on my windows machine?? I'm trying to forward X11 over SSH using Putty but for some unknown reason I can't open the display when sshing into the host (debian) machine |
| 22:55.14 | Arsion | i do apt-get update and get "couldn't stat source package list" |
| 22:55.16 | DarkMare | SimonRaven, shad0wcat: it's a Silicon Image Sil 3112 SATALink chipset (PCMCIA) |
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| 22:55.28 | DarkMare | are there any drivers for it? |
| 22:55.36 | r|a|s | is there a way to apt-get a pkg stored locally? if so, will it resolve deps? |
| 22:56.05 | Arsion | r|a|s: cp it to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and yes |
| 22:56.07 | cheal | r|a|s: yes, if it's part of a local repository |
| 22:56.19 | Darth_Greig | r|a|s, you should be able to ... yup ^^^ |
| 22:56.19 | resiak | r|a|s: dpkg -i might be more what you're after |
| 22:56.38 | ponk | Arsion: add: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:57.05 | r|a|s | thanks all =) |
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| 22:57.30 | Arsion | ponk: same error: (2 No such file or directory) |
| 22:57.59 | Arsion | failure in resolving |
| 22:57.59 | ponk | Arsion: and don't forget the line for security updates: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib |
| 22:58.22 | ponk | Arsion: after that a apt-get update should work. btw: can you ping ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 22:58.40 | Arsion | unknown host |
| 22:58.42 | Darth_Greig | you need to see if your link is actually working. |
| 22:59.12 | ponk | Arsion: can you ping 204.152.191.7 (this is ftp.us.debian.org) |
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| 22:59.20 | bartden | hi, i have installed acerhk modprobed acerhk, i installed hotkeys and placed acertm.def in /usr/share/hotkeys/, but when i do hotkeys -l i get Error while parsing /usr/share/hotkeys/acertm.def |
| 22:59.32 | Arsion | network is unreachable |
| 22:59.48 | r|a|s | cheal: do the deps need to be in the local repo or will it search enabled repos? |
| 22:59.54 | ponk | bartden: Repeating your very same question over 'n' over again won't help you. |
| 23:00.08 | Arsion | so, even thou its connected to the router...its still not working |
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| 23:00.24 | ponk | Arsion: what's the output of: route -n |
| 23:00.37 | Arsion | gives nothing but headers |
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| 23:01.05 | ponk | Arsion: it seems you have at least an routing problem and probably and also one with dns setup |
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| 23:01.24 | ponk | Arsion: what's theip of your router |
| 23:01.24 | Darth_Greig | Arsion, try using 204.152.191.7 ip. it's the one for mirrors.kernel.org |
| 23:01.25 | ponk | ? |
| 23:01.26 | jair_11 | hello guys I already install debian as a dual boot everyhting is working perfect I see the menu in the grub boot loader, but, the configuration of the XF86 is not responding |
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| 23:01.42 | Darth_Greig | Arsion, sounds like it's a dns issue |
| 23:01.43 | jair_11 | I get an error all the time saying the "no screens found" |
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| 23:02.01 | ponk | jair_11: what do you mean by 'not responding'? |
| 23:02.03 | jair_11 | and I try different things already changing and playing with the resolution size |
| 23:02.10 | Arsion | this is why i wanted to just download the debootstrap, boot from it, then reinstall with apt. would have been alot easier lol... router has assigned the laptop with 192.168.1.4 |
| 23:02.11 | dogmeat | if i ssh -X as bob, then su root, and xterm it said "Connection lost to X server 'localhost:10.0'", and "X11 connection rejected because of wrongauthentication. X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication." any way to fix? |
| 23:02.28 | jair_11 | ponk, you know it say that the configuration of the X-server is not correct |
| 23:02.29 | Arsion | and ifconfig doesnt show the ip |
| 23:02.38 | ponk | Darth_Greig: Arsion has no route to his router. |
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| 23:02.55 | Darth_Greig | ponk, rgr |
| 23:03.11 | jair_11 | ponk, when I install I was using netinst, so i install fron the net "x-window-system-core" |
| 23:03.23 | jair_11 | ponk, and also gdm, and gdm-themes |
| 23:03.32 | ponk | Arsion: we need the ip of the router. if you don't know it try to ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:03.37 | jair_11 | ponk, it is anything I am missing? |
| 23:03.37 | Arsion | and forgive me my stupidness, but even thou i know some of my way around sarge, most of the other stuff was taken care of by the installer |
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| 23:04.27 | Arsion | the ip of the router is 192.168.1.254 |
| 23:04.34 | ponk | jair_11: what says the log? |
| 23:04.36 | Arsion | but even pinging that doesnt work |
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| 23:04.48 | jair_11 | If I want to reconfigure the x-window-system I have to use the dpkg? |
| 23:05.00 | Arsion | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:05.01 | jair_11 | ponk, the logs say a lot of stuff |
| 23:05.09 | jair_11 | reconfigure what? |
| 23:05.12 | Darth_Greig | jair_11, that's a common error. it sounds like it is a config error |
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| 23:05.33 | ponk | Arsion: route add default gw 192.168.1.254 |
| 23:05.37 | jair_11 | Darth_Greig, yes I am trying to change the different settings |
| 23:05.52 | Darth_Greig | jair_11, look through the output for ## !! or whatever indicates errors. it will give a menu near the top of the output |
| 23:05.59 | jair_11 | Darth_Greig, but I am thinking that I miss some package probably? |
| 23:06.09 | jair_11 | yes |
| 23:06.13 | Arsion | ponk: SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
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| 23:06.42 | jair_11 | Arsion, do this please ifconfig eth0 up and see the result |
| 23:06.43 | ponk | jair_11: maybe you're missing xbase-clients |
| 23:07.06 | Arsion | jair_11: wont do anything cause its already up |
| 23:07.26 | jair_11 | ponk, I did install this: 1) x-window-system-core 2)gdm 3)gdm-themes |
| 23:07.41 | jair_11 | Arsion, do this then dhclient |
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| 23:07.49 | ponk | Arsion: what ip does your interface have? |
| 23:07.51 | Darth_Greig | jair_11, did it suggest x-window-system as well? |
| 23:07.57 | jair_11 | I just want to see if you get any bas thing |
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| 23:08.11 | grafitie | Hey Arison, I'm not sure about what's causing your issue, but do you know why my apps are saying can't open display when trying to view them over ssh in Windows using Putty? I'm using X-Win32 as my X server, I've checked X11 forwarding in Putty, edited sshd-config to allow for X11 forwarding, it's still not working and now I'm stuck |
| 23:08.11 | Arsion | .... |
| 23:08.11 | jair_11 | Darth_Greig, what is the difference ? core or system? |
| 23:08.13 | Arsion | omg!! |
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| 23:08.33 | jair_11 | Arsion, do you have a router giving ip DHCP? |
| 23:08.33 | Arsion | thx jair_11, it worked |
| 23:08.33 | DWoodley | Hello |
| 23:08.48 | Arsion | apt-get update connected and updated just fine |
| 23:08.52 | ponk | jair_11: yes is is using dhcp. |
| 23:09.02 | jair_11 | Arsion, you got it enjoy it |
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| 23:09.16 | ponk | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.23 | Arsion | sorry grafitie, dont know anything about that |
| 23:09.29 | jair_11 | ponk, it is done he got it |
| 23:09.31 | Arsion | actually ponk |
| 23:09.35 | grafitie | that's sweet hopefully someone does |
| 23:09.40 | Arsion | i hadnt done dhclient |
| 23:09.42 | Darth_Greig | jair_11, to get mine working i also did an apt-get x-window-system...not just the *-core. |
| 23:09.43 | ponk | Arsion: ok :) |
| 23:09.46 | Arsion | dhclient fixed it |
| 23:09.49 | grafitie | anyone??? |
| 23:10.03 | jair_11 | Darth_Greig, ok I will try that |
| 23:10.05 | Arsion | now, what was the dist upgrade command? |
| 23:10.13 | Darth_Greig | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:10.16 | ultraviolet16 | apt0get dist-upgrade |
| 23:10.21 | ultraviolet16 | yea that |
| 23:10.24 | Darth_Greig | do a update first tho |
| 23:10.25 | ponk | Arsion: apt-get update & apt-get upgrade |
| 23:10.29 | Arsion | ... |
| 23:10.35 | ultraviolet16 | ditto |
| 23:10.39 | Arsion | how would i clean out my apt archive? |
| 23:10.53 | dogmeat | !xserver |
| 23:10.54 | Darth_Greig | Arsion, and don't forget to add security line to your sources.list |
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| 23:11.12 | ponk | apt-get clean |
| 23:11.23 | alchem | Arsion, man apt-get for a change |
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| 23:11.31 | Darth_Greig | Arsion, man apt-get. maybe --purge or clean |
| 23:11.48 | Arsion | apt-get dist-upgrade is giving me a dependancy error and stops |
| 23:12.06 | ponk | Darth_Greig: --purge is only useful for removing packages with conf-files |
| 23:12.17 | ponk | Arsion: apt-get install -f |
| 23:12.17 | Darth_Greig | ponk, thx |
| 23:12.35 | dmacdonald111 | I need to add to my modules.conf file, but I cannot find one on my system. Is this the same as modules (no extension) or do I have to create my own? Thanks |
| 23:12.40 | Arsion | ponk: thanks, looks like thats working. its removing alot and installing 77 |
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| 23:13.19 | ponk | Arsion: have you added security to your sources.list? |
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| 23:13.27 | Arsion | now, once thats working, i just need to figure out how to install my wireless network card. yes, that was already there |
| 23:13.35 | roboo | can i change pdf file's font ? |
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| 23:14.03 | obscuresoul | an OS can have 2 or more platforms simultaneously? |
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| 23:14.44 | ponk | Arsion: good. but I have to get some sleep now.... i'm loocated in germany. Good luck! |
| 23:15.09 | Arsion | anyone know if there is a driver for the netopia 3-d reach wireless card? |
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| 23:17.36 | thingfish | roboo: only if you have an application that can edit .pdf files. |
| 23:18.09 | roboo | thingfish: are there any application like that ? is it in debian-packages ? |
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| 23:18.59 | thingfish | roboo: apt-cache search edit pdf; google. |
| 23:19.12 | dogmeat | how do i reconfig X in sarge? |
| 23:19.19 | Arsion | apt-get isnt working |
| 23:19.23 | thingfish | !drxx dogmeat |
| 23:19.24 | dpkg | dogmeat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:19.27 | SimonRaven | !drxx dogmeat |
| 23:19.30 | SimonRaven | meh |
| 23:19.30 | Arsion | once it downloads, it crashes with GLIBC errors |
| 23:19.33 | dogmeat | thingfish: thanks |
| 23:19.37 | thingfish | np |
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| 23:20.24 | jair_11 | Darth_Greig, i install the x-window-system |
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| 23:20.46 | jair_11 | Darth_Greig, but it just gave me the option of use xdm or gdm |
| 23:20.51 | dmacdonald111 | hello? |
| 23:20.57 | jair_11 | I had gdm already installed so I use it |
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| 23:23.05 | Arsion | what is the name of the debootstrap file? is it Contents-i386.gz? |
| 23:23.12 | jair_11 | can I try xorg instead xserver? |
| 23:23.40 | jair_11 | I have xserver installed now but I don't know about xorg it is the save a gui server? |
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| 23:23.59 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 23:24.28 | curt | Pupeno, hello |
| 23:24.31 | Pupeno | Which CDs contain binary packages ? |
| 23:24.47 | Pupeno | hi curt. |
| 23:24.55 | curt | Pupeno, hello |
| 23:25.18 | curt | Pupeno, i guess all of them |
| 23:25.25 | curt | Pupeno, what do you want |
| 23:25.32 | Pupeno | curt: there are no sources CDs ? |
| 23:25.45 | Pupeno | curt: I am tring to guess what CDs would be useful to have. |
| 23:26.02 | ponk | Pupeno: Those which are called: debian-31r0a-$ARCH-binary-$N.iso |
| 23:26.13 | curt | Pupeno, they are available on the debian.org site |
| 23:26.23 | curt | Pupeno, i always use the netinstall |
| 23:26.38 | jair_11 | ponk, i can get the log info on the xserver problem I am having |
| 23:26.50 | curt | Pupeno, only one cd needed then, unless you don't have constant access to the internet |
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| 23:27.13 | Pupeno | I do have a constant access, but I don't want to use it for the first install. |
| 23:27.25 | jair_11 | I am having a little problem starting for first time a sarge 3.1 machine the xserver keeps giving me an error |
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| 23:28.16 | jair_11 | I went to the /etc/X11/XF86free-4 to change the configuration manually but not sucsess |
| 23:28.18 | dmacdonald111 | Pupeno: If you disconnect the computer from the internet, you should be fine to install totally and then upgrade once installed |
| 23:28.19 | jair_11 | :( |
| 23:28.21 | SimonRaven | Pupeno: last 2 or 3 or such have sources |
| 23:28.21 | Arsion | actually, i have debootstrap already it seems, since i have all 7 disks. So, which file to i run? vmlinuz, initrd.gz? |
| 23:28.24 | curt | Pupeno, you want my opinion , don't waste the time/cd's downloading all the binary images |
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| 23:29.04 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 23:29.05 | dpkg | i heard d-i is you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
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| 23:29.14 | SimonRaven | Pupeno: most of them have binary packages. but the last ones have sources. they're arranged by the order given by popularity-contest results |
| 23:29.16 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 23:29.16 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 23:29.25 | curt | abrotman, that's too easy |
| 23:29.34 | SimonRaven | there ya go |
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| 23:29.52 | raliste | hey and offtopic question, how can i hide my host |
| 23:30.00 | abrotman | with a hostmask |
| 23:30.06 | stew | raliste: pull the network cable |
| 23:30.08 | SimonRaven | @cd contents is <reply> To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 23:30.08 | ravenbird | ...but cd contents is already something else... |
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| 23:30.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:30.16 | SimonRaven | *sigh* |
| 23:30.18 | abrotman | @cd contents |
| 23:30.18 | ravenbird | well, cd contents is http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7 |
| 23:30.19 | Pupeno | curt: ok, thanks, I'll try the netinst cd then. |
| 23:30.21 | abrotman | oh jeez |
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| 23:30.41 | SimonRaven | fixed |
| 23:30.41 | curt | Pupeno, sounds good |
| 23:30.46 | Gentoo_basic | Does somebody knows any app to make swf (Flash) files under Debian? |
| 23:30.52 | raliste | ya stew |
| 23:30.53 | raliste | :x |
| 23:31.08 | titoune | micka? |
| 23:31.11 | stew | raliste: what do you mean by "hide my host"? |
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| 23:31.19 | SimonRaven | @cd contents |
| 23:31.19 | ravenbird | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
| 23:31.21 | derby | ? |
| 23:31.22 | nvz | Gentoo_basic: just shoot yourself for even thinking of doing something so stupid and do the world a favor |
| 23:31.59 | jair_11 | anyone can give me a hand with the fu$%& xserver configuration |
| 23:32.01 | stew | raliste: are you talking about /whois? |
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| 23:32.04 | raliste | hide my host that's show in my whois |
| 23:32.06 | dmacdonald111 | Can anyone read this? |
| 23:32.08 | raliste | yes stew |
| 23:32.11 | jair_11 | I do not want to install everything from scratch again |
| 23:32.15 | SimonRaven | dmacdonald111: no |
| 23:32.19 | jair_11 | I have this machine on dual boot |
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| 23:32.28 | dmacdonald111 | SimonRaven: lol |
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| 23:32.40 | jair_11 | and the boot loader is on the first HD I mean the windows I think |
| 23:32.45 | VIal | spanish |
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| 23:32.53 | SimonRaven | @es |
| 23:32.53 | ravenbird | hmm... es is For Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es channel. Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es |
| 23:33.07 | jair_11 | if i reinstall everything I will destroy the boot loader to load windows as well right? |
| 23:33.16 | stew | raliste: /msg a staffer, to find a staffer /stats p |
| 23:33.24 | SimonRaven | not like it's unreproducible |
| 23:33.48 | curt | jair_11, no |
| 23:34.08 | jair_11 | curt, what do you mean? |
| 23:34.14 | raliste | thanks stew |
| 23:34.18 | jair_11 | curt, I have a dual boot here |
| 23:34.38 | nvz | jair_11: Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy: Don't Panic, never forget your towel, and don't install an OS without a boot disk for it. |
| 23:34.38 | SimonRaven | and i challenge you to a duel ;p |
| 23:34.49 | jair_11 | curt, the grub was installed in the drive of windows right which is the first OS installed before I install debian |
| 23:35.01 | jair_11 | hahah |
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| 23:35.04 | karsten | abrotman: I've been unmasked ;-) |
| 23:35.10 | curt | jair_11, when you reinstall if that is what you have to do debian will still recognize your billgates |
| 23:35.12 | abrotman | karsten: you're a dog ? |
| 23:35.14 | SimonRaven | ohnoz!!111 |
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| 23:36.15 | nvz | dpkg, gates |
| 23:36.15 | dpkg | well, gates is In a world of free software, there are no fences or walls. So who needs Gates and Windows? |
| 23:36.20 | nvz | dpkg, windows? |
| 23:36.20 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
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| 23:36.23 | karsten | abrotman: Shh! Nobody knows. |
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| 23:36.31 | jair_11 | curt, but this is the thing:http://pastebin.com/386691 |
| 23:36.42 | karsten | abrotman: ... but times, they've been ruff lately. |
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| 23:37.12 | Gentoo_basic | Windows(R) may produce think down! |
| 23:37.13 | stew | oh, johnny |
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| 23:37.16 | abrotman | !smack karsten |
| 23:37.19 | jair_11 | dpkg, I can not get my xserver run |
| 23:37.20 | curt | jair_11, have you tried going through the setup process yet |
| 23:37.21 | abrotman | stew: shut it! :) |
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| 23:37.34 | stew | abrotman: did you see the 6th? |
| 23:37.35 | jair_11 | curt, I am trying to make the x server start |
| 23:37.42 | abrotman | stew: could we not discuss it :) |
| 23:38.01 | abrotman | stew: it's the culmination of the end of a poor second half |
| 23:38.06 | stew | abrotman: ok, mr. ostritch |
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| 23:38.09 | Gentoo_basic | startx for start x server. |
| 23:38.18 | abrotman | stew: nah .. i never expected them to make the series anyways |
| 23:38.40 | nvz | startx is overrated I prefer xinit |
| 23:38.48 | Gentoo_basic | If you prefer, you can configure a daemon to load the x. Like gdm |
| 23:38.50 | jair_11 | curt, did you check this?http://pastebin.com/386691 |
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| 23:39.02 | stew | abrotman: well at least now my wife can relax a bit |
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| 23:39.07 | Arsion | i think i realize the problem now. it seems, i mixed files |
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| 23:39.16 | jair_11 | anyone that could have a minute to help me to reconfigure the xserver |
| 23:39.16 | Arsion | some of them were stable, and some were etch |
| 23:39.22 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. baseball is over for the year |
| 23:39.22 | karsten | abrotman: Thanks, I needed that. |
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| 23:39.27 | curt | maybe dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xorg |
| 23:39.32 | Gentoo_basic | You can set it (gdm) up at system load, or ron it whith gdm commando. |
| 23:39.37 | curt | jair_11, maybe dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xorg |
| 23:39.39 | karsten | abrotman: ... did you hear about the dog playwright who walked into a bar ... |
| 23:39.44 | abrotman | no |
| 23:39.45 | karsten | abrotman: ... and ordered a ruff draft? |
| 23:39.48 | jair_11 | I try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but then the configuration is the same did not change |
| 23:39.53 | abrotman | !eat karma1 |
| 23:39.57 | SimonRaven | *groan* |
| 23:39.58 | abrotman | whoops |
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| 23:40.16 | jair_11 | Gentoo_basic, how are you |
| 23:40.22 | jair_11 | Gentoo_basic, it is not working man |
| 23:40.22 | SimonRaven | @bed karsten |
| 23:40.23 | abrotman | stew: really .. a poor series by boston all around |
| 23:40.25 | curt | jair_11, lspci and make sure you have your video card settings right |
| 23:40.35 | jair_11 | curt, ok |
| 23:41.08 | karsten | nvz: You get your *own* HSC. |
| 23:41.19 | nvz | I have. |
| 23:41.21 | stew | abrotman: its not over for the year. in reality we are not so much boston fans as anti-yankee fans (which makes us boston fans) |
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| 23:41.30 | jair_11 | http://pastebin.com/386696 this is my video card |
| 23:41.47 | jair_11 | curt, 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) |
| 23:41.55 | jair_11 | this is my card |
| 23:41.57 | abrotman | stew: i'm a boston fan :) |
| 23:42.02 | mardones | alguien sabe de repositorios para instalar looking glass |
| 23:42.14 | abrotman | stew: i fully expect ChiSox to beat Yanks .. and have a Houston/ChiSox world series |
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| 23:42.19 | mardones | hello |
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| 23:42.35 | SimonRaven | mardones: there aren't any looking glass packages. though you can find some via google |
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| 23:42.48 | SimonRaven | try sourceforge.net |
| 23:43.01 | abrotman | or apt-get.org ? |
| 23:43.04 | SimonRaven | (unless there's some new ones i didn't notice) |
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| 23:43.22 | kreg | after you make a raid 0 with mdadm, do you just fdisk /dev/md0 and make a ext3? |
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| 23:43.48 | natino | hi room |
| 23:43.54 | dmacdonald111 | So like, I need to add to my modules.conf file, but I cannot find one on my system. Is this the same as modules (no extension) or do I have to create my own? |
| 23:43.55 | nvz | dpkg, ROOM! |
| 23:43.55 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 23:44.01 | Gentoo_basic | jair_ll: Did you configure it? Try reconfigurin under basic mode, if you don't know all video caracteristics of your PC |
| 23:44.10 | Arsion | is there another command beside ls to show directory listings? |
| 23:44.25 | natino | can i have a latest source.list for debian? |
| 23:44.25 | nvz | Arsion: ls -l |
| 23:44.26 | nvz | :P |
| 23:44.35 | Arsion | besides ls |
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| 23:44.48 | Arsion | ls gives me that glibc error |
| 23:44.50 | nvz | Arsion: you are still fucked. |
| 23:44.52 | natino | thx!! |
| 23:45.00 | Gentoo_basic | jair_ll: How did you installed it? Dowloading the sorces, or using apt? |
| 23:45.00 | Arsion | yes |
| 23:45.07 | nvz | Arsion: should have kept static binaries |
| 23:45.07 | Arsion | even apt-get isnt working right |
| 23:45.08 | dmacdonald111 | Arsion: Doesn't dir work? |
| 23:45.12 | beardy | Arsion: Arsion dir(1), but what's wrong with ls? |
| 23:45.16 | SimonRaven | natino: apt-setup |
| 23:45.19 | Arsion | nope, dir gives glibc error |
| 23:45.24 | natino | ok |
| 23:45.36 | natino | sorry for my english but im italian |
| 23:45.36 | nvz | beardy: he aborted during libc6 upgrade IIRC and he is royally fucked |
| 23:45.46 | beardy | Arsion: busybox ls |
| 23:45.51 | beardy | nvz: oh.. |
| 23:46.02 | jair_11 | Gentoo_basic, sorry |
| 23:46.07 | SimonRaven | s/he'll have to boot to a rescue cd and re-install libc6 package |
| 23:46.07 | jair_11 | is number 11 |
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| 23:46.16 | Arsion | nvz: i didnt abort, the deb did |
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| 23:46.25 | Arsion | nvz: some error during install |
| 23:46.45 | beardy | Arsion: livecd time then, or grab the data and reinstall.. |
| 23:46.49 | jair | Gentoo_basic, ok |
| 23:46.55 | mardones | were can packages of looking glass (sudo aptitude install xxxxx)???? |
| 23:47.04 | jair | Gentoo_basic, ok this is how I install the debian, netinsta |
| 23:47.08 | jair | netinst |
| 23:47.11 | SimonRaven | mardones: re-read what i told you |
| 23:47.12 | nvz | beardy: all he has is a usb dot-matrix printer and a punchcard reader |
| 23:47.16 | jair | Gentoo_basic, are you with me? |
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| 23:47.22 | natino | no work |
| 23:47.25 | SimonRaven | @tell mardones -about search |
| 23:47.27 | nvz | beardy: fucked with a capital F |
| 23:47.27 | beardy | nvz: :) |
| 23:47.28 | natino | i use kanotix |
| 23:47.36 | Gentoo_basic | jair_ll: Yes |
| 23:47.43 | natino | can u help me? |
| 23:47.53 | Arsion | beardy: thats what i am trying to do, I can still access my usb cd-rom, but dont know how to start the install since i cant boot to it |
| 23:47.53 | curt | jair, lcpci -X |
| 23:47.59 | jair | curt, ok |
| 23:48.05 | natino | :(( |
| 23:48.08 | curt | jair, that will give you a better readout for xserver |
| 23:48.17 | stew | natino: no, please go to #kanotix |
| 23:48.24 | natino | ok |
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| 23:48.36 | beardy | !chroot install |
| 23:48.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
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| 23:48.52 | beardy | Arsion: ^^ |
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| 23:49.01 | Arsion | lol already have that page |
| 23:49.09 | Arsion | been reading it for the past few hours |
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| 23:49.26 | Arsion | but there is aslight problem |
| 23:49.40 | jair | Gentoo_basic, curt here is the output: http://pastebin.com/386709 |
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| 23:50.18 | Arsion | dont know which file to get since that link is for 2.2 and i want to install it at 2.6 |
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| 23:50.22 | jair | Gentoo_basic, curt I did install x-window-system and x-window-system-core gdm gdm-themes |
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| 23:50.42 | curt | jair, PCI:0:31:5 is the part you need for the video card portion of xserver |
| 23:50.49 | beardy | Arsion: How did you install in the first time? |
| 23:50.49 | abrotman | leave it blank |
| 23:50.51 | jair | I am running on that machine: Linux dell1 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:50.57 | abrotman | unless you know you need it |
| 23:50.58 | curt | jair, what happen when you run gdm |
| 23:51.06 | jair | it brakes |
| 23:51.14 | Arsion | i HAD a usb floppy drive that i could boot from, but it got fried yesterday |
| 23:51.21 | jair | curt, ok |
| 23:51.31 | abrotman | breaks |
| 23:51.34 | jair | curt, I have to add this: PCI:0:31:5 where? |
| 23:51.36 | Gentoo_basic | jair: What's your server? xfree86 or xorg |
| 23:51.48 | jair | Gentoo_basic, xfree86 |
| 23:51.51 | beardy | Arsion: Buy a new one then? |
| 23:51.55 | karsten | Arsion: .. get another one. |
| 23:52.04 | jair | curt, dell1:/etc/X11# gdm |
| 23:52.04 | jair | gdm already running. Aborting! |
| 23:52.04 | jair | dell1:/etc/X11# |
| 23:52.09 | max | i'm trying to do apt-get install tor, and it doesnt work. i've already updated my packages from mirrors.kernel.org/debian. can anyone help me troubleshoot this? |
| 23:52.12 | Arsion | spent last money on this wired network card cause i couldnt get my wireless one to work |
| 23:52.13 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 23:52.20 | beardy | Arsion: What kind of machine is this? |
| 23:52.24 | abrotman | or /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 23:52.29 | Arsion | toshia portege 3490ct |
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| 23:52.51 | max | it says package not found |
| 23:52.52 | stew | !busid is also if you are trying to figure out your busid for your X config, you probably don't need it unless you are on a mac or you have 2 video cards. |
| 23:52.52 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 23:52.52 | abrotman | toshiba sucks |
| 23:52.58 | curt | jair, abrotman is talking to you |
| 23:53.04 | abrotman | i was? |
| 23:53.06 | abrotman | oh .. i was :) |
| 23:53.06 | Gentoo_basic | jair: Try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:53.08 | beardy | Every laptop wothout a real floppy drive or cdrom sucks.. |
| 23:53.15 | abrotman | i ahve both! |
| 23:53.18 | abrotman | !hug IBM |
| 23:53.28 | Arsion | dont know if toshiba does or not, but this laptop does lol....no floppy no cdrom only 1 usb slot and 2 pcmcia slots |
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| 23:53.34 | Gentoo_basic | jair: If you don't know what answer, ask us! |
| 23:53.36 | stew | s/IBM/lenovo/ i guess |
| 23:53.41 | abrotman | no .. mine is IBM |
| 23:53.48 | beardy | Arsion: I hope you've learned a lesson ;) |
| 23:53.57 | curt | i hear tigerdirect has some great deals on IMB monitors |
| 23:54.02 | stew | abrotman: i have some of each, the lenovo ones are just the same |
| 23:54.06 | curt | IBM |
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| 23:54.29 | Arsion | beardy: only lesson i have learned, is not to go upgrading system when ya have no apt |
| 23:54.31 | abrotman | stew: i know mine is old enough to be IBM .. that's all i'm saying |
| 23:54.44 | beardy | Arsion: That too, and buy real hardware.. |
| 23:54.45 | jair | Gentoo_basic, curt abrotman I did try thiose commands already and it looks like is not writing the changes because I check again the /etc/X11/XFree86-4 and it does look the same |
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| 23:55.00 | jair | Gentoo_basic, curt abrotman but I will try them all again |
| 23:55.06 | Arsion | beardy: gonna give me the money for that? lol i was lucky i could afford this POS |
| 23:55.10 | stew | abrotman: i'm saying that so far, my impression is that the 2 lenovo ones we have are every bit as good, so don't let that scare you off... |
| 23:55.14 | beardy | Arsion: Have no apt, where did it go? |
| 23:55.19 | fbi | jair: if you edited that file by hand, reconfiguring it isn't gong to save changes |
| 23:55.26 | fbi | s/gong/going/ |
| 23:55.29 | jair | Gentoo_basic, curt abrotman I will try to run the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again |
| 23:55.31 | Arsion | before today, i had no access to the internet on this thing |
| 23:55.45 | jair | fbi, ohhhhhhh |
| 23:55.51 | fbi | !xmd5 |
| 23:55.51 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 23:55.54 | beardy | Arsion: An older model, or a nice used one, could be affordable, well you do as you please. |
| 23:55.56 | jair | fbi, then how could I fix that? |
| 23:55.58 | curt | jair, good idea then restart gdm |
| 23:56.02 | fbi | listen to dpkg |
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| 23:56.06 | Arsion | and the only way i could install stuff, was download from this box, burn to cd, go to laptop, dpkg -i from there |
| 23:56.10 | jair | fbi, ok |
| 23:56.18 | JonasNZ | hey guys, is svn in the debian repos? |
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| 23:56.29 | beardy | Arsion: At least connect it to the net.. |
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| 23:56.36 | jair | fbi, damn it ok I will try to check that |
| 23:56.36 | Arsion | i have |
| 23:56.37 | mentor | I'm using xfree86-driver-synaptics and have set the LTCornerButton option. However, the button is activated when the RT corner is tapped. |
| 23:56.46 | mentor | !tell JonasNZ about search |
| 23:56.51 | Arsion | apt-get downloads everything, but fails during install |
| 23:57.08 | beardy | Arsion: Are you running/trying to run sid? |
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| 23:57.12 | Arsion | so, now, i just have to reinstall |
| 23:57.16 | abrotman | stew: i don't need a new one yet .. mine is a P4 :) |
| 23:57.17 | Arsion | sid? |
| 23:57.22 | Arsion | unstable? |
| 23:57.25 | beardy | Yes. |
| 23:57.27 | Arsion | no |
| 23:57.30 | beardy | Ok. |
| 23:57.34 | Arsion | i only stick to stable and testing |
| 23:57.39 | Arsion | but i think |
| 23:57.39 | Gentoo_basic | jair: What's your kernel? I couldn't run the X in kernels 2.4.*, but yes in 2.2.x and 2.6.x |
| 23:57.46 | Arsion | that i mixed them |
| 23:57.49 | jair | fbi, abrotman Gentoo_basic curt I will try to fix the file I edited by hand and then restart gdm |
| 23:58.05 | beardy | Arsion: Sounds like you did something like that yes.. stick to stable. |
| 23:58.05 | jair | Gentoo_basic, I am running the 2.6 |
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| 23:58.08 | abrotman | !xmd5sum |
| 23:58.08 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 23:58.08 | curt | jair, let us know how it goes |
| 23:58.14 | Gentoo_basic | jair: Yes. You restart gdm |
| 23:58.27 | jair | Gentoo_basic, but I tried already with 2.4 and it did not work |
| 23:58.32 | jair | ok |
| 23:58.38 | Gentoo_basic | ok |
| 23:58.45 | Arsion | see, what i didnt do, is homework. i didnt realize that sarge has gone stable and was updating everything by hand, starting with kernel 2.6.12 |
| 23:58.51 | jair | let me try to fix what dpkg says |
| 23:58.58 | jair | I have a dell 170l |
| 23:59.26 | curt | I have a homemade custom |
| 23:59.34 | curt | i get to put my own name on it |
| 23:59.34 | jair | haha |
| 23:59.38 | jair | cool |
| 23:59.40 | jair | :) |
| 23:59.48 | jair | I have one like that to asus motherboard |
| 23:59.54 | beardy | Arsion: Do a reinstall. (somehow..) And stay with stable. |
| 23:59.57 | jair | but that one works perfect |
