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| 00:00.55 | curt | gutenprint prints jibberish |
| 00:01.11 | Arsion | beardy: that i plan on doing, but how? lol |
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| 00:01.45 | Arsion | i can still burn things to cd and cp them to the laptop, just, how would i get the install going? |
| 00:01.53 | jair | fbi, ok I did this: dell1:~# md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4> /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 00:01.53 | jair | dell1:~# |
| 00:01.56 | Arsion | plus i can wget them now |
| 00:02.10 | jair | now I can try to reconfigure it again? |
| 00:02.18 | jair | using the dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:02.19 | abrotman | sure |
| 00:02.23 | Frem | The area on the right side of my touchpad used to scroll up and down, but I installed the industrial theme, and it changed my mouse pointer, and now I can't scroll with the edge of the pad anymore. What should I do? |
| 00:02.26 | jair | abrotman, cool |
| 00:02.32 | fbi | jair: do exactly what dpkg just said, twice. the last step is to reconfigure |
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| 00:02.57 | abrotman | not use that theme? |
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| 00:03.08 | jair | fbi, but it says just one time right? |
| 00:03.21 | fbi | jair: i meant dpkg told you twice. you only do it once. |
| 00:03.23 | curt | jair, measure twice cut once |
| 00:03.34 | jair | ohh ok |
| 00:03.40 | jair | twice the same line |
| 00:03.44 | leninmhs | hi, this is my first time here |
| 00:03.53 | jair | dell1:~# md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4> /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 00:03.57 | jair | twice |
| 00:03.57 | Frem | abrotman, I'm not using that theme anymore, but my mouse pointer is still changed and the trackpad scrolling still does not work correctly. |
| 00:04.02 | cheal | !beer leninmhs |
| 00:04.19 | leninmhs | my english is very bad |
| 00:04.29 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:04.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:04.31 | jair | fbi, ok I did that twice, now I can do the reconfigure command? |
| 00:04.43 | raliste | the page of the cloaks?? |
| 00:04.43 | leninmhs | i'm runing now 2.6.8 on sarge |
| 00:04.51 | fbi | jair: what is the last step that dpkg told you to do? |
| 00:04.55 | liable | Frem: i dunno if you have a thinkpad, (and i dont know how to do it myself) but i read about this, this month on linux-thinkpad, have a look there and see if it helps. |
| 00:05.18 | curt | rename gutenprint to schlechtprint |
| 00:05.27 | leninmhs | dpkg-reconfigure locales with me |
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| 00:06.03 | jair | fbi, it does not say run that twice :( and I did it twice but the last thing is run the dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:06.09 | Frem | liable, not a thinkpad. it worked fine before I installed this theme engine, too. |
| 00:06.15 | fbi | jair: do it then. |
| 00:06.19 | jair | ok |
| 00:06.21 | carlosz | hi, what service runs bootclean.sh? |
| 00:06.24 | leninmhs | thank you dpkg |
| 00:06.39 | curt | hehe |
| 00:06.45 | fbi | jair: pay attn to files that hyou edit, XF86Config-4 tells you right at the top what will happen if you edit that file. |
| 00:06.52 | fbi | s/hyou/you/ |
| 00:06.53 | jcohen85 | debian fails to boot up correctly when i enable the onboard ethernet card on my motherboard. If i disable the ethernet card, i can boot up w/o issue. I purchased a new ethernet card (realtek based) and now i'm getting the same error. |
| 00:07.01 | jair | ok |
| 00:07.06 | jair | fbi, ok |
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| 00:07.17 | kreg | after mdadm makes an arrary. i know i just go ahead an mkfs.ext3 /dev/md0, but if i am to treat this as a regular block device, how come i never had to fdisk /dev/md0 ? |
| 00:07.28 | cheal | jcohen85: ...with the onboard one disabled? |
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| 00:07.36 | jcohen85 | cheal, yes |
| 00:08.00 | carlosz | i have TMPTIME=0 in /etc/defaults/rcS, why doesn't it deletes what's in /tmp at boot time? |
| 00:08.09 | jcohen85 | cheal, it shows the ethernet card detected and setup full duplex but then it sits at syncing with the NTP servers just like before |
| 00:08.21 | jcohen85 | and it just sits there after bootup is complete |
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| 00:08.41 | cheal | jcohen85: can you boot in runlevel 1? |
| 00:08.44 | abrotman | jcohen85: is this the one you shipped ? |
| 00:08.50 | jcohen85 | abrotman, yes |
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| 00:08.54 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic this is the result Files /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum and - are identical |
| 00:09.02 | curt | jcohen85, nictools-pci might help |
| 00:09.11 | Arsion | beardy: going by the website you gave me using the dpkg bot, how do i untar that base file? it says to use zcat but even that gives me the GLIBC error |
| 00:09.14 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic it means that i can ru the dpkg-reconfigure then right :) |
| 00:09.19 | jcohen85 | curt, what does that package do? |
| 00:09.20 | abrotman | sure |
| 00:09.21 | curt | jair, yes |
| 00:09.33 | Gentoo_basic | Ok. |
| 00:09.33 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic ok |
| 00:09.36 | curt | jcohen85, configures nics |
| 00:09.37 | jcohen85 | cheal, you mean the single user recovery mode- yes i can do that |
| 00:10.04 | curt | jcohen85, ethtool might do it to but i think it is old |
| 00:10.11 | cheal | jcohen85: yes. try running ntpdate from there? |
| 00:11.02 | micro^usta | is there a way to actually tell gnome, use application-theme xy, icon-theme xy and this wallpaper as default, even for new users? Also is there a way to add all Images in the directory available to all users, not only the default Gnome-Image? |
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| 00:11.14 | micro^usta | may i should ask in #gnome hihi |
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| 00:12.05 | Frem | what package do I need to uninstall to go from this annoying white gnomeish ximian cursor back to the default X one? |
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| 00:12.40 | bobcat13 | hola |
| 00:12.50 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic ok guys I am getting this question: Write default Files section to configuration file? |
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| 00:12.55 | jair | I should say yes? |
| 00:13.09 | abrotman | yes to what? |
| 00:13.09 | Blacky` | we have problem with very slow apt-get, but it is not problem with bandwith cos we are on 100 Mb line |
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| 00:13.23 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic to this: Write default Files section to configuration file? |
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| 00:13.25 | fbi | jair: if you want to save the changes you just made with debconf, say yes. |
| 00:13.29 | jcohen85 | cheal, oh god- i really feel like an idiot now |
| 00:13.35 | jair | fbi, cool |
| 00:13.45 | beardy | Arsion: Find a statically compiled zcat.. Get a new floppy drive, or other bootable device. |
| 00:13.45 | fbi | i'm off for many beers and hopefully some hot slut(s). |
| 00:13.48 | cheal | jcohen85: that sounds like good news :) |
| 00:13.53 | jcohen85 | cheal, i checked ifconfig and to my surprise it showed an ip of 192.168.0.4 which is strange since my router uses the 192.168.1.* subnet |
| 00:14.05 | Gentoo_basic | bobcat13: Ve #debian-es para español. |
| 00:14.08 | jcohen85 | cheal, i checked /etc/network/interfaces and now i realize what the problem was |
| 00:14.19 | jcohen85 | i had it set to a static ip |
| 00:14.20 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic ok it is rebooting |
| 00:14.32 | Gentoo_basic | jair: Ok. |
| 00:14.34 | Rodi | hi everyone ! I have Nikon camera USB. I am using kernel 2.6.12 but when I connect camera plug, hotplug do not show icon to access. Any idea to solve that ? |
| 00:14.35 | Blacky` | can someone help me please :) |
| 00:14.39 | liable | jcohen85: at least you got a spare card now :) |
| 00:14.53 | curt | hehe |
| 00:14.54 | cheal | jcohen85: cool |
| 00:15.03 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic, I choose a lot of default for some things and the driver vga |
| 00:15.21 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic, :( nope |
| 00:15.25 | beardy | Blacky`: Have you asked a question? |
| 00:15.26 | jcohen85 | liable, true |
| 00:15.34 | Rodi | I think that I need mount camera drive ... well .. lsusb, list camera |
| 00:15.35 | jcohen85 | cheal, yup- it just started up perfectly |
| 00:15.37 | curt | jair, well it easy from here |
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| 00:15.41 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic same error again the x server have a error in the configuration |
| 00:15.46 | abrotman | what is the error ? |
| 00:15.47 | curt | jair, just run the reconf again |
| 00:15.51 | jair | ok |
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| 00:16.03 | curt | jair, use lower settings for you monitor |
| 00:16.11 | Rodi | anyone can give me some guidelines to solve that ? |
| 00:16.12 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic and choose another driver too? |
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| 00:16.22 | Gentoo_basic | jair: Search in Google about your error. |
| 00:16.22 | Pupeno | is there any project/documentation to use Debian as a meta distro ? (we would like to make our own custom distro for a particular problem, based on Debian). |
| 00:16.35 | carlosz | Rodi i don't know about that cam but mine i just use gphoto2 --get-all-files |
| 00:16.35 | curt | jair, vga is fine |
| 00:16.39 | Blacky` | beardy when i download with wget it downlaods really fast but when i use apt-get which connects to ftp it is really really slow and it delays at logging... i don't know what could cos this problem... and help would be wellcome :) |
| 00:16.41 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic ok |
| 00:16.49 | SimonRaven | Pupeno: i think the knoppix folks have some |
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| 00:16.57 | abrotman | !lfs |
| 00:16.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, lfs is large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about linux from scratch |
| 00:17.01 | curt | jair, your error at the bottom just says no screens found? |
| 00:17.03 | abrotman | !linux from scratch |
| 00:17.03 | dpkg | linux from scratch is probably uber cool, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org |
| 00:17.14 | jair | curt, yes |
| 00:17.16 | Rodi | carlosz, I need to mount drive ... to access cam .. but I dont know how to do that |
| 00:17.27 | liable | jair: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 00:17.31 | Rodi | is like USB harddisk .. I think |
| 00:17.38 | beardy | Blacky`: Try a different mirror? apt-setup, or edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:17.41 | curt | in the monitor settings part just choose 'simple' |
| 00:18.00 | curt | and leave settin for max resolution at default |
| 00:18.06 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic liable dell1:~# grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 00:18.06 | jair | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.06 | jair | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 00:18.06 | jair | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 00:18.06 | jair | dell1:~# |
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| 00:18.13 | liable | !tell Rodi about usb storage |
| 00:18.15 | abrotman | dude |
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| 00:18.21 | jair | I am sorry |
| 00:18.23 | beardy | Rodi: You just mount it, the same way as you would a USB harddrive yes. |
| 00:18.23 | abrotman | jair: you should know better |
| 00:18.31 | jair | I am sorry |
| 00:18.39 | jair | it will not happen again |
| 00:18.42 | max | i need help with a particular apt package that is not working |
| 00:18.43 | micro^usta | hm, where can i set the default themevalues for gnome? |
| 00:18.50 | Rodi | oh ok , let me try |
| 00:19.01 | abrotman | jair: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 00:19.14 | beardy | max: State the problem and the package name please. |
| 00:19.27 | Rodi | how to load that module "usb-storage" ? |
| 00:19.32 | factor | I am having a problem upgrading to unstable becasue of udev what is the command to ignor a package error? |
| 00:19.37 | abrotman | micro^usta: ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 00:19.37 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic liable: dell1:~# lspci | grep -i vga |
| 00:19.38 | jair | 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) |
| 00:19.44 | Rodi | or know if is loaded |
| 00:19.51 | abrotman | jair: and what driver did you pick ? |
| 00:19.54 | max | i'm trying to do "apt-get install tor" and it says that it does not exist. the software's webpage says it does. i'm updating from mirrors.kernel.org/debian |
| 00:20.02 | jair | abrotman, i picked VGA |
| 00:20.07 | abrotman | why not i810 ? |
| 00:20.07 | Blacky` | beardy apt-get is very slow but when we use wget from the same server it is very fast |
| 00:20.16 | jair | abrotman, I will try that one |
| 00:20.18 | Blacky` | bandwith is not the problem |
| 00:20.23 | micro^usta | thx a lot abrotman |
| 00:20.25 | abrotman | max: apt-get update;apt-get install tor |
| 00:20.29 | beardy | Rodi: 'lsmod' to check if it's loaded. 'modprobe modulename' to load a module. |
| 00:20.30 | Rodi | strange because kernel 2.6.8 .. worked very well .. now with 2.6.12 , not automatic |
| 00:20.37 | Rodi | oh ok |
| 00:20.37 | max | i've already updated |
| 00:20.39 | Rodi | thanks |
| 00:21.08 | liable | Rodi: you compiled 2.6.12? |
| 00:21.20 | servus | max: tor is in unstable and testing, not stable. |
| 00:21.24 | Rodi | stock kernel |
| 00:21.24 | jcohen85 | cheal, i never realized an incorrect NIC setting could stop bootup |
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| 00:21.52 | max | servus: oh, ok. thanks |
| 00:21.52 | beardy | jcohen85: Doesn't it eventually time out and continue booting? |
| 00:22.09 | jcohen85 | no |
| 00:22.20 | servus | http://packages.debian.org/testing/comm/tor |
| 00:22.22 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic liable: I am trying now with the other driver i810 |
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| 00:22.38 | Rodi | modprobe usb-storage ... came message command not found |
| 00:22.40 | beardy | jcohen85: How long have you waited? |
| 00:22.46 | jcohen85 | beardy, it just stops booting very late in the boot process (way after the network is setup and after ntpdate)- after ivtv and bttv and apache2 |
| 00:22.50 | jcohen85 | beardy, 20 minutes :) |
| 00:23.06 | jcohen85 | beardy, and there's no error shown or in syslog |
| 00:23.15 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic liable: I am tried this i810 and nothing |
| 00:23.30 | abrotman | jair: post your entire /var/log/XFree86.0.log somewhere |
| 00:23.31 | beardy | jcohen85: And a simple thing like Ctrl-c can't get you past it? |
| 00:23.34 | jcohen85 | beardy, because it actually does setup the network- it gives it an ip of 192.168.0.4 but my router uses the 192.168.1.* subnet |
| 00:23.39 | jair | abrotman, ok |
| 00:23.48 | jcohen85 | beardy, nope- ctrl-c does nothing |
| 00:23.51 | beardy | jcohen85: Ok. |
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| 00:24.03 | factor | is anyone having trouble with the udev package under sid? |
| 00:24.04 | cheal | jcohen85: yeah, proposing to abort would make sense |
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| 00:24.10 | abrotman | factor: check BTS |
| 00:24.14 | lopuz | is there any firefox 1.5 packages for debian? |
| 00:24.15 | jcohen85 | cheal, i had no clue that was the problem |
| 00:24.17 | beardy | factor: checked the bts? |
| 00:24.23 | cheal | factor: anyone has every possible problems with sid |
| 00:24.24 | factor | what is bts? |
| 00:24.31 | cheal | lopuz: beta ones |
| 00:24.34 | jcohen85 | cheal, it said nothing about the network card- i thought the nic was screwed up in transit |
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| 00:24.40 | beardy | !btssmite factor |
| 00:24.41 | liable | !btssmite factor |
| 00:24.46 | liable | !lose me |
| 00:24.47 | lopuz | cheal: how do i install them? |
| 00:24.47 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
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| 00:24.58 | beardy | !comfort liable |
| 00:24.59 | dpkg | There, there, liable. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:25.04 | cheal | lopuz: by installing mozilla-firefox from experimental |
| 00:25.07 | liable | heh |
| 00:25.13 | curt | i use unstable.. |
| 00:25.30 | servus | Maybe you _are_ unstable. |
| 00:25.39 | curt | maybe |
| 00:25.45 | cheal | jcohen85: the fact that the problem is in starting the services indicates that your system is basically OK |
| 00:25.47 | kreg | 'm passing tons of data to a linux file server running samba, yet when i do this "tcpdump -i eth0 port 445" i see nothing in the capture. what am i doing wrong? |
| 00:25.52 | Arsion | question, i might have figured it out. If i copy an entire cd to the hdd, i should be able to install or boot from it correct? |
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| 00:26.17 | factor | all my gui stuff is borked I can go to any web site now. |
| 00:26.37 | curt | Arsion, yes, but get it right the first time because partitioning will delete it |
| 00:26.39 | beardy | factor: apt-get install links or lynx |
| 00:26.45 | cheal | jcohen85: of course, you *should* be able to pass it even in level 2, probably like beardy proposed |
| 00:26.49 | Arsion | curt: thanks |
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| 00:27.01 | cheal | jcohen85: and without disabling the card :) |
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| 00:27.07 | Arsion | curt: would i add it in /etc/fstab? |
| 00:27.32 | servus | kreg: 1. Are you root? 2. Is eth0 the right network device? |
| 00:27.35 | MrKennie | I'm looking for a budget(ish) SCSI RAID controller that works with debian, and I keep coming across alot of hardware with so called HostRAID. How well does this work in Debian? |
| 00:27.45 | kreg | Servus, yes, yes |
| 00:27.57 | beardy | MrKennie: Tried googling? |
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| 00:28.00 | MrKennie | yes |
| 00:28.10 | MrKennie | get alot of mixed results |
| 00:28.14 | abrotman | MrKennie: who makes it ? |
| 00:28.25 | curt | Arsion, not sure |
| 00:28.28 | abrotman | and which driver does it use ? |
| 00:28.33 | MrKennie | well, the one that looks like a good price is the AIC-7902 |
| 00:28.36 | Rodi | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04b0:0116 Nikon Corp. |
| 00:28.44 | factor | can i just ignore an error in a package while installing. |
| 00:28.45 | abrotman | that's an adaptec card |
| 00:28.48 | Rodi | so hotplug is working, right ? |
| 00:28.49 | MrKennie | yea |
| 00:29.02 | abrotman | should be fine afaik |
| 00:29.05 | MrKennie | I'm also looking for a mobo |
| 00:29.08 | servus | Do you have a custom kernel, kreg? |
| 00:29.09 | abrotman | i've used debian on adaptec |
| 00:29.16 | MrKennie | like there's a supermicro board with this controller |
| 00:29.22 | MrKennie | and a tyan |
| 00:29.26 | MrKennie | wit ha sodimm adapter |
| 00:29.28 | kreg | servus, an over dump shows all is 139. i think 445 is just for auth. |
| 00:29.42 | MrKennie | but the HostRAID bit worries me from the googling |
| 00:30.04 | servus | All of my Samba packets go through 445. Your configuration may vary. |
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| 00:30.30 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic liable: here is my whole /var/log/xfree86.0.log |
| 00:30.42 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic liable: here http://pastebin.com/386735 |
| 00:30.57 | jair | please guys I know I am close to get it |
| 00:31.44 | abrotman | jair: did you enter a BusID ? |
| 00:31.50 | MrKennie | I noticed that the AIC-79xx series of chips is fully supported, but I see results where people can see the physical drives but not the logical RAID device |
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| 00:32.26 | drac | jair: "lspci -X | grep -i vga", something like BusID "PCI:1:0:0" |
| 00:32.28 | abrotman | jair: did you enter a BusID ? |
| 00:32.56 | jair | I did it before |
| 00:33.08 | jair | yes is this one: PCI:0:31:5 |
| 00:33.13 | liable | well undo it. |
| 00:33.19 | jair | ok |
| 00:33.22 | abrotman | jair: do NOT enter a busid |
| 00:33.28 | jair | ohh ok |
| 00:33.33 | jair | I will try now without it |
| 00:33.39 | abrotman | i think we said that .. like 5 times |
| 00:33.52 | MrKennie | http://www.tyan.com/products/html/m7902.html this is one of the cards I was looking at specifically for the RAID function |
| 00:34.00 | factor | what swtich doe I use to bypass or ignore an apt-get error? |
| 00:34.09 | jair | abrotman, do not or do enter it? |
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| 00:34.15 | jair | ohh ok I se |
| 00:34.17 | jair | NOT |
| 00:34.18 | creichen | Hi! Whatever happened to snapshot.debian.org? |
| 00:34.19 | jair | haha |
| 00:34.36 | abrotman | jair: if you enter a busID AGAIN .. i will KILL you |
| 00:34.43 | abrotman | creichen: still there |
| 00:34.49 | jair | abrotman, ok no |
| 00:35.00 | jair | abrotman, and I should use VGA or i810? |
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| 00:35.18 | micro^usta | abrotman, do not forget doin this on tape |
| 00:35.19 | abrotman | i810 |
| 00:35.20 | ultraviolet16 | bah this sucks. I tried running the NVIDIA driver installer for linux from the nvidia website and it doesn't want to work. what a piece of crap |
| 00:35.27 | abrotman | micro^usta: huh ? |
| 00:35.33 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:35.34 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 00:35.34 | micro^usta | we all like bloody geekkills |
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| 00:35.43 | creichen | abrotman: Hmm. I can't seem to resolve the name. Oh well... |
| 00:35.54 | abrotman | creichen: works here |
| 00:36.02 | ultraviolet16 | told me I needed to install the kernel-source package for my kernel.. so i did, and nothin's workin' |
| 00:36.09 | abrotman | Name: snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:36.09 | abrotman | Address: 218.223.29.46 |
| 00:36.09 | cheal | !tell ultraviolet16 about nvidia-installer |
| 00:36.14 | cddesjar | when is etch planned to be released? |
| 00:36.22 | abrotman | cddesjar: when it's done |
| 00:36.30 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic liable: ok trying with no Bus ID and i810 |
| 00:36.31 | cheal | !wwer |
| 00:36.31 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out. |
| 00:36.41 | cddesjar | so there isn't a time line? |
| 00:36.46 | kreg | as a win32 host, \\192.168.1.3\sharename is how i access the samba server. however if i want i can do \\riker\sharename using the hostname instead. what is resolving 192.168.1.3 to hostname ? |
| 00:37.04 | ultraviolet16 | cheal thanks |
| 00:37.04 | cheal | !etch pool 1 |
| 00:37.04 | dpkg | somebody said etch pool 1 was caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! r3v=2008-07-23 antgel=2006-12-05 mdh=2006-09-11 asg=2006-12-07 streuner=2006-06-06 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 greycat=2007-07-07 resiak=2007-04-21 |
| 00:37.15 | abrotman | what!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:37.20 | abrotman | !rk scarynetworkguy |
| 00:37.25 | abrotman | dpkg: you are stupid |
| 00:37.25 | dpkg | abrotman: I think you lost me on that one |
| 00:37.29 | nvz | kreg: you mean resolving hostname to . |
| 00:37.36 | nvz | 192.168.1.3? |
| 00:37.36 | cheal | hehe |
| 00:37.39 | abrotman | cddesjar: not currently |
| 00:37.54 | kreg | nvz yes |
| 00:37.57 | liable | kreg: your hosts file. |
| 00:37.59 | cheal | asg can't be serious neither |
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| 00:38.06 | nvz | kreg: it would either be DNS or /etc/hosts |
| 00:38.14 | creichen | abrotman: Ah, thank you! |
| 00:38.27 | nvz | kreg: either of which you would have to had configured |
| 00:38.27 | cddesjar | i would like to help the project |
| 00:38.30 | kreg | nvz how did the win32 get information from the samba servers /etc/hosts? |
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| 00:38.39 | abrotman | creichen: ? |
| 00:38.41 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 00:38.47 | abrotman | cddesjar: so help ... |
| 00:38.53 | curt | too slow |
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| 00:39.07 | nvz | kreg: it didnt. /etc/hosts is the file on a linux system where you specify names and aliases for hosts, its only read by that system |
| 00:39.08 | curt | nvidia driver install guide http://saraf.web.cse.unsw.edu.au/nvidia-driver-howto.html |
| 00:39.09 | cheal | ouch, nearly all the betters are on drugs |
| 00:39.09 | abrotman | cheal: why not ? |
| 00:39.18 | nvz | kreg: I dont know shit about how windows works |
| 00:39.25 | abrotman | cheal: that's 18 months .. that's enoguh time |
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| 00:39.29 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic liable: I love you guysssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
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| 00:39.35 | abrotman | see .. we're smart |
| 00:39.37 | curt | thank abrotman |
| 00:39.39 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic liable: cool |
| 00:39.39 | kreg | nvz, i know how locally, as i said, i'm asking how did the win32 client get that information. i am not running dns. |
| 00:39.46 | abrotman | when we tell you FIVE times not to use a BusID .. listen to us |
| 00:39.48 | cheal | abrotman: that would be half of what sarge took...2 years becomes reasonable |
| 00:39.53 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Silly rabbit. Redneck Katanas are for scarynetworkguys. |
| 00:39.53 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic liable: Thank you to God and to the linux Gods here :) |
| 00:39.54 | abrotman | cheal: so what? |
| 00:39.55 | nvz | kreg: then go ask windows or samba people |
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| 00:40.05 | abrotman | jair: don't forget to buy us beer |
| 00:40.10 | nvz | kreg: this is #debian. we neither know or care how windows networking works |
| 00:40.13 | cheal | abrotman: emh...so these are losers? :) |
| 00:40.22 | abrotman | cheal: noone has lost yet |
| 00:40.22 | DarkMare | would anyone here be able to help me get a SATA hard drive working under sarge (kernel 2.6.8)? The hard drive is a 200GB Maxtor DiamondMax 10 with a Silicon Image Sil 3112 SATALink chipset. |
| 00:40.32 | SimonRaven | !etch pool 1 =~ s/resiak=2007-04-21/resiak=2007-04-21 simonrvn=when_the_cows_come_home/ |
| 00:40.32 | dpkg | OK, SimonRaven |
| 00:40.35 | liable | kreg: windows has a hosts file too. |
| 00:40.42 | cheal | SimonRaven: haha |
| 00:40.43 | xsquared | hi, im just wondering if there is an open source alternative to CPanel for virtual hosting. Which one would you recommend? |
| 00:40.44 | ultraviolet11 | cheal: I did the nvidia one-liner thing you told me, but it needs software that's non-free. how do I get it? |
| 00:40.50 | abrotman | !non-free |
| 00:40.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.htm |
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| 00:40.54 | kreg | nvz, just say you don't know. |
| 00:41.12 | cheal | ultraviolet11: BTW it's abrotman that told you |
| 00:41.12 | DarkMare | basically, it just freezes during boot sequence |
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| 00:41.15 | SimonRaven | kreg: i believe he did that already |
| 00:41.22 | DarkMare | I get tos this point: |
| 00:41.25 | DarkMare | SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back |
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| 00:41.33 | abrotman | cheal: don't blame me . .i think nvidia is a crappy company |
| 00:41.34 | DarkMare | /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: <3>ata2: command 0x25 timeout, stat 0x50 host_stat 0x4 |
| 00:41.36 | nvz | kreg: I did say I dont know "20:38 < nvz> kreg: I dont know shit about how windows works" then I told you where to find people who do. |
| 00:41.39 | DarkMare | and then it doesn't move on from there |
| 00:41.43 | DarkMare | does anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:41.48 | curt | ultraviolet11, http://saraf.web.cse.unsw.edu.au/nvidia-driver-howto.html |
| 00:41.52 | ultraviolet11 | allright so I won't use non-free, but how the hell do i get my nvidia card working optimaly? |
| 00:41.53 | cheal | ultraviolet11: I never mention nvidia one-liner to people that setup nvidia for the first time, I recommend nvidia-howto |
| 00:41.58 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic liable hold on, the resolution I have is this one: 640x400 very bad :( |
| 00:42.00 | nvz | kreg: don't be a fool, take the advice and ask your windows questions somewhere else. you will get much better results |
| 00:42.12 | cheal | abrotman: is there anyone else I can blame instead of you? |
| 00:42.21 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic liable hold on, the resolution I have is this one I can not choose the 800x600 or 1024x768 |
| 00:42.30 | jair | I should continue trying |
| 00:42.30 | abrotman | cheal: nvidia |
| 00:42.43 | cheal | abrotman: sounds good :) |
| 00:42.45 | ultraviolet11 | curt: thanks. |
| 00:42.47 | abrotman | jair: only pick one .. or use xrandr to change it |
| 00:42.48 | cheal | ultraviolet11: if you want 3D acceleration with an NVIDIA card, you need non-free |
| 00:42.48 | jair | fbi, curt abrotman Gentoo_basic liable, I have to continue trying |
| 00:42.57 | abrotman | !drxx jair |
| 00:42.58 | dpkg | jair: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:43.02 | kreg | nvz airconditioner, refiled the ink pen over by the flower garden beacuse there was a battery charger next to the dry erase board. |
| 00:43.04 | SimonRaven | jair: you might need to add in modelines (*gasp*) to have it work properly |
| 00:43.04 | abrotman | jair: and ONLY pick 1024x768 |
| 00:43.05 | ultraviolet11 | i try to install non-free but it won't let me from apt-get |
| 00:43.17 | cheal | ultraviolet11: ...unlikely |
| 00:43.22 | SimonRaven | jair: but try that (only 1024x768) first |
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| 00:43.34 | jair | SimonRaven, but how I am lost |
| 00:43.34 | abrotman | ultraviolet11: did you apt-get update .. before you tried ? |
| 00:43.39 | ultraviolet11 | yea |
| 00:43.39 | nvz | kreg: right. #samba, #windows. |
| 00:43.51 | abrotman | jair: i JUST told you how . pay attention |
| 00:43.53 | jair | SimonRaven, abrotman how I will tell the system 1024x768? |
| 00:43.54 | khermans | can someone tell me how to extract just one file from a *.tar.bz2 archive?? |
| 00:43.58 | jair | ok |
| 00:43.59 | ultraviolet11 | although my sources.list hasn't been editted in sometime, so that shouldn't matter |
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| 00:44.08 | curt | ultraviolet11, you need to modify you sources.list or follow that guide for the nvidia one |
| 00:44.08 | nvz | kreg: I answered your question in debian fashion if you want a windows answer you need to goto a windows type channel. its off-topic |
| 00:44.17 | cheal | abrotman: I think just the non-free doc issue is enough to make 18 months etch unrealistic. you want me to make a bet, right? :) |
| 00:44.20 | nvz | goes the same for anything else non-debian |
| 00:44.23 | jair | abrotman, xrandr? |
| 00:44.26 | beardy | jair: Reconfigure X, didn't they tell you above? |
| 00:44.27 | SimonRaven | khermans: argumnets after the tarball name itslef is the file in the archive... man tar |
| 00:44.33 | abrotman | cheal: i placed my bet already |
| 00:44.34 | jair | ok |
| 00:44.36 | jair | ok |
| 00:44.37 | abrotman | jair: NO |
| 00:44.40 | abrotman | !drixx jair |
| 00:44.41 | ultraviolet11 | cool. ok, will do. be back in a bit to report my .. ahem, status =) |
| 00:44.42 | khermans | SimonRaven, thanks dude |
| 00:44.45 | abrotman | !drxx jair |
| 00:44.46 | dpkg | jair: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:44.48 | abrotman | jair: and ONLY pick 1024x768 |
| 00:44.48 | SimonRaven | goddamn typing sucks today |
| 00:44.53 | kreg | nvz i was asking how debian running samba broadcasted a hostname to a win32 client. that's debian enough. |
| 00:45.18 | SimonRaven | khermans: it also accepts regexen (properly escaped from the shell) |
| 00:45.24 | jair | abrotman, xf86config |
| 00:45.33 | abrotman | jair: NO NO NO |
| 00:45.35 | jair | abrotman, you mean run that |
| 00:45.36 | jair | ? |
| 00:45.38 | abrotman | i'm gonna fucking kill you |
| 00:45.40 | abrotman | !drxx jair |
| 00:45.40 | dpkg | jair: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:45.42 | abrotman | jair: and ONLY pick 1024x768 |
| 00:45.44 | abrotman | FUCKING READ |
| 00:45.47 | abrotman | i just told you how |
| 00:45.53 | cheal | !factinfo etch pool 1 |
| 00:45.53 | dpkg | etch pool 1 -- last modified at Thu Jun 30 17:18:26 2005 by jetx!~jetx@adsl-64-219-216-41.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net; it has been requested 13 times, last by cheal, 1m 6s ago. |
| 00:45.54 | abrotman | DO NOT use xf86config |
| 00:46.28 | cheal | dpkg: are you OK? |
| 00:46.28 | nvz | kreg: samba is a windows protocol. #samba would know. my machines do no such thing I have to explicitly setup a DNS or hosts file. likely has something to do with the master browser thats windows stuff. |
| 00:46.28 | jair | abrotman, it say two things there configure by hands? |
| 00:46.28 | abrotman | it tells you exactly what to do |
| 00:46.28 | abrotman | jair: NO IT DOES NOT |
| 00:46.28 | kreg | nvz, ok |
| 00:46.28 | ultraviolet11 | ah i already tried the dpkg nvidia-howto way. couldn't do it because of the non-free gheyness. i'm going to try the other way, that curt supplied |
| 00:46.31 | jair | use the dpkg-recon... again? |
| 00:46.34 | cheal | abrotman: your bet makes more sense :) |
| 00:46.35 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:46.36 | beardy | jair: Run 'dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86' or 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 00:46.40 | abrotman | cheal: yeah .. well |
| 00:46.41 | jair | and choose the resolution |
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| 00:46.48 | abrotman | jair: and ONLY pick 1024x768 |
| 00:46.52 | curt | ultraviolet11, it will take awhile but it works |
| 00:46.54 | jair | got it |
| 00:46.56 | nvz | abrotman: why |
| 00:46.57 | zerver_the_death | lol |
| 00:46.57 | jair | :) |
| 00:46.59 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:47.00 | nvz | :P |
| 00:47.02 | cheal | ultraviolet11: gheyness? |
| 00:47.03 | jair | abrotman, got it |
| 00:47.15 | abrotman | jair: please try now |
| 00:47.39 | ultraviolet11 | cheal: ;p |
| 00:47.41 | SimonRaven | jair: ok. you know when it asks you for the resolutions you want? *only* pick 1024x768, and nothing else |
| 00:47.48 | SimonRaven | fucking client.... |
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| 00:47.52 | abrotman | nvz: the girls across the street? |
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| 00:48.22 | jair | SimonRaven, got it |
| 00:48.27 | jair | SimonRaven, thank you |
| 00:48.29 | beardy | jair: If something _other_ than 1024x768 is selected, _unselect_ that. |
| 00:48.35 | SimonRaven | i was lagged, sorry 'bout that |
| 00:48.38 | jair | beardy, ok |
| 00:48.40 | cheal | ultraviolet11: the URL curt pointed to is old. don't use it. it just doesn't mention that you need non-free |
| 00:48.48 | xsquared | hi, what package would you recommend for virtual hosting? like an open source alternative to CPanel |
| 00:48.48 | abrotman | some day i'll figure out why X goes with the lowest instead of the highest |
| 00:48.53 | curt | oooo |
| 00:49.22 | liable | mine goes with the highest.. |
| 00:49.24 | ultraviolet11 | .. i noticed |
| 00:49.30 | ultraviolet11 | damn. |
| 00:49.32 | beardy | abrotman: It does? Not for me.. last time I ran X. |
| 00:49.32 | ultraviolet11 | hehe |
| 00:49.40 | ultraviolet11 | this is tricky. |
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| 00:50.02 | jair | beardy, abrotman SimonRaven I am rebooting now I will let you know what happen |
| 00:50.09 | beardy | jair: STOP |
| 00:50.11 | SimonRaven | you don't need to reboot... |
| 00:50.18 | SimonRaven | this isn't windoze |
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| 00:50.30 | SimonRaven | or mock os anything for that matter |
| 00:50.31 | abrotman | just let him |
| 00:50.32 | khermans | SimonRaven, this just hangs tar --> "tar jxvf foo.tar.bz2 foo.pdf" |
| 00:50.37 | beardy | jair: /etc/init.d/?dm restart where ? is either x k or d |
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| 00:50.50 | jair | beardy, abrotman SimonRaven is because I am in a remote computer using ssh to configure the other one |
| 00:51.06 | jair | beardy, ok |
| 00:51.08 | jair | next time |
| 00:51.11 | max | hey, how would I remove a little bit of (predictible) text from the returns on a grep command? |
| 00:51.20 | SimonRaven | khermans: you have to be careful of the file name. gotta be exactly where the tar ball thinks it is. and it will seem to hang, but it doesn't |
| 00:51.30 | xsquared | anyone? |
| 00:51.30 | liable | heh, i had to reboot a windows box the other day, just to change its fucking ip!.. |
| 00:51.30 | cheal | max: like...? |
| 00:51.33 | max | Example return: Site: blahblah |
| 00:51.45 | max | Example desired text: blahblah |
| 00:51.53 | khermans | SimonRaven, i gave full path -- but does this work on bz2 archives or onlyt tar balls? |
| 00:51.57 | cheal | max: Site being a file? |
| 00:52.08 | max | sorry, let me clarify that a bit |
| 00:52.23 | max | returned: "Site: blahblah" want: "blahblah" |
| 00:52.40 | seldon | Hi guys. I have a slight localization problem - I'm trying to set up a system for a bilingual person (german/japanese), and I'm having some trouble with the input methods. Is there a way to switch between regular and kinput2 input methods on the fly, ie without restarting the application in question? |
| 00:52.53 | jair | beardy, abrotman SimonRaven I get this: 640x480 and in the name of Linus Trovals I have only selected the 1024x768 |
| 00:52.56 | khermans | SimonRaven, oh it seems like bzip2 is recursively searching the archive fr it -- heh sorry dude |
| 00:53.08 | SimonRaven | khermans: tar jtf will tell you where it isD[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D |
| 00:53.09 | jair | I will try again |
| 00:53.12 | SimonRaven | i'm sorry this is getting stupid. BRB |
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| 00:53.14 | beardy | jair: You probably have, because that's not his name.. |
| 00:53.17 | abrotman | jair: paste your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 somewhere |
| 00:53.19 | ultraviolet11 | cheal: curt: here's where it all blew up in my face last time.. |
| 00:53.22 | ultraviolet11 | apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source |
| 00:53.29 | ultraviolet11 | tells me there's no such package |
| 00:53.31 | jair | beardy, abrotman SimonRaven I get this:ok |
| 00:53.41 | cheal | ultraviolet11: you need non-free sources |
| 00:54.01 | ultraviolet11 | ah so I need to add them to my sources.list.. |
| 00:54.22 | liable | stupid mplayer, wont let me listen to a stream today.. |
| 00:54.25 | ultraviolet11 | where can I find some non-free sources? |
| 00:54.48 | cddesjar | just add it to after "main" in your sources.list |
| 00:54.48 | liable | ultraviolet11: you just append non-free to your source lines.. |
| 00:54.56 | seldon | on the regular debian servers. replace "main contrib" with "main contrib non-free" in the corresponding line. |
| 00:55.12 | cheal | ultraviolet11: yes |
| 00:55.18 | cddesjar | i.e. deb ftp://www.debianpackages.org/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 00:55.18 | ultraviolet11 | cool, ok. thanks.. |
| 00:55.24 | cheal | ultraviolet11: non-free *and* contrib |
| 00:55.39 | max | so, can you help me, cheal? |
| 00:55.51 | ultraviolet11 | like just duplicate the sources and add non-free to the end? |
| 00:55.57 | cddesjar | no |
| 00:56.00 | cddesjar | don't duplicate |
| 00:56.03 | cddesjar | just add to the end of the line |
| 00:56.09 | jair | beardy, abrotman SimonRaven, ok guys you will not belive this but is the true: http://pastebin.com/386746 |
| 00:56.09 | max | just add it to the end man |
| 00:56.11 | cddesjar | then apt-get update |
| 00:56.20 | cddesjar | apt-get install foopackage |
| 00:56.29 | abrotman | jair: and paste your error log too |
| 00:56.52 | jcohen85 | um...when i set my clock to 20:56:30 it shows up at 12:56:30...not 8:56:30 |
| 00:56.58 | jair | abrotman, ok |
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| 00:57.07 | jair | abrotman, it is not an error |
| 00:57.11 | abrotman | just paste it |
| 00:57.14 | jair | abrotman, is the resolution |
| 00:57.18 | jair | ok |
| 00:57.19 | cheal | max: you can do $ grepcommand|cut -d ' ' -f2; for that |
| 00:57.21 | liable | !855resolution |
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| 00:57.26 | liable | !865resolution |
| 00:57.33 | ircops_home | boo |
| 00:57.33 | abrotman | !listkeys resolution |
| 00:57.34 | liable | fuck it.. |
| 00:57.35 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'resolution' by key (2): x resolution ;; resolution. |
| 00:57.50 | jair | beardy, abrotman SimonRaven this is what I am getting: 640x480 |
| 00:57.53 | cheal | liable: it's 855 |
| 00:57.55 | liable | i was sure there was a factoid for that.. |
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| 00:58.03 | cddesjar | what are you running jair? |
| 00:58.04 | beardy | jair: Paste your error log. |
| 00:58.08 | jair | ok |
| 00:58.10 | cheal | liable: doing it on channel won't return anything more |
| 00:58.10 | cddesjar | dell inspiron? |
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| 00:58.17 | cddesjar | i had to get a 845 patch |
| 00:58.20 | ultraviolet11 | so with non-free appendid to the end I can download non-free and contrib? |
| 00:58.27 | jcohen85 | if i change the time to 8:58 like it should be it's reset to 12:58 when i run ntpdate |
| 00:58.28 | cddesjar | you need to add contrib as well |
| 00:58.31 | liable | cheal: eh? |
| 00:58.32 | ultraviolet11 | oh ok |
| 00:58.42 | cheal | ultraviolet11: after you did an # apt-get update |
| 00:58.53 | jair | beardy, it is not error it is showing kde but I have only the option of 640x400 |
| 00:58.59 | ke6isf | jcohen85: Sounds like your time zone is off. |
| 00:59.01 | abrotman | jair: and paste your error log too |
| 00:59.04 | jair | ok |
| 00:59.05 | beardy | jair: Do as we said please. |
| 00:59.12 | cddesjar | uv: deb-src ftp://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 00:59.12 | jair | ok |
| 00:59.12 | jcohen85 | ke6isf, it's set to EDT as it should be |
| 00:59.20 | cheal | liable: try /msg dpkg foo instead of !foo |
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| 00:59.34 | ultraviolet11 | cheal: I did do an update.. |
| 00:59.34 | jair | cddesjar, this is for what? I have a dell optiplex 170l |
| 00:59.40 | ke6isf | jcohen85: What's /etc/timezone say? |
| 00:59.42 | jcohen85 | ke6isf, anyways, 16:58:30 is NOT 8:58:30...it should be 20:58:30 but if i do that it shows up as 12:58:30 |
| 00:59.46 | cddesjar | your having resolution issues? |
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| 01:00.04 | jcohen85 | ke6isf, America/New_York |
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| 01:00.26 | liable | cheal: it was a factoid i *thought* was there, and it wasnt for me. |
| 01:00.32 | KiLLyKa`Out | how do i mount this under debian |
| 01:00.33 | KiLLyKa`Out | ./dev/sdb2 1913 19929 144721552+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 01:00.36 | jair | beardy, this: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 01:00.36 | jair | ? |
| 01:00.53 | beardy | jair: Yes. |
| 01:00.53 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 01:00.54 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 01:00.54 | cddesjar | my dell only booted with a resolution of 640x400 |
| 01:01.00 | cddesjar | i had to get a 845 patch |
| 01:01.05 | jair | beardy, abrotman SimonRaven cddesjar you guys want me to paste all that ok |
| 01:01.11 | cheal | liable: hum, what I meant is if you private message dpkg for a factoid and it returns nothing, it won't return more on the channel for the same factoid |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | jair: yes .. ALL of it |
| 01:01.12 | liable | KiLLyKa`Out: you dont, its the extended partition. |
| 01:01.20 | cddesjar | and now i got 1024x780 (or whatever the numbers are) |
| 01:01.22 | jair | cddesjar, how? from where? |
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| 01:01.38 | jcohen85 | ke6isf, running time-admin rather than KDE's tool fixed the problem |
| 01:01.53 | grendal_prime | i got this ati card..it was working fine i reabuilt this machine now i cant get it to display anything more than 640 X 480...am i forgetting something here? |
| 01:01.54 | beardy | KiLLyKa`Out: You don't. That is a so called extended partition, which makes it possible to have logical partitions, to make it possible to have more thn 4 partitions on the drive. |
| 01:01.59 | ke6isf | jcohen85: Ah, OK. |
| 01:02.05 | liable | cheal: yeah.. i didnt try it in private, because i thought it was there.. you've lost me i'm afraid. |
| 01:02.08 | cddesjar | http://www.chzsoft.com.ar/855patch.html |
| 01:02.09 | cddesjar | go here |
| 01:02.18 | ultraviolet11 | ah i just noticed that there are stable versions of this install now.. when the how-to was written there wasn't |
| 01:02.20 | cddesjar | or if it's an 855 you can use a package |
| 01:02.27 | cddesjar | do as it says |
| 01:02.30 | cheal | liable: hum, were you calling that factoid for you or someone else |
| 01:02.31 | cddesjar | it worked for me |
| 01:02.33 | ultraviolet11 | I'm going to go with the stable, what do you guys [and girls] thing? |
| 01:02.35 | ultraviolet11 | think |
| 01:02.39 | liable | cheal: for jair |
| 01:02.47 | jcohen85 | ke6isf, well- it shows up as 1 am in mythtv and in KDE still |
| 01:02.47 | cddesjar | uv11: are you a newbie? |
| 01:02.48 | jcohen85 | grr |
| 01:02.52 | cheal | ultraviolet11: right, like the factoid says |
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| 01:03.11 | cheal | liable: ok, sorry |
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| 01:03.14 | toresbe | hey |
| 01:03.17 | toresbe | Can anyone with sid please give me the md5sums of /usr/bin/ssh and /usr/sbin/sshd? |
| 01:03.30 | dspstv | i have kernel 2.6.12 ipw2100 modules installed, but when i modprobe them i get a module ipw2100 not found....it was working prefectly in my previopus kernel after compilung a new one something, i dont know what broke |
| 01:03.59 | cheal | toresbe: perhaps you'd better mention a specific version |
| 01:04.07 | jcohen85 | why is the time showing up in KDE as 1:03 when uptime shows 21:03 |
| 01:04.14 | ke6isf | jcohen85: That would be about consistent with GMT. |
| 01:04.23 | toresbe | OpenSSH_4.2p1 Debian-4, OpenSSL 0.9.7g 11 Apr 2005 |
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| 01:04.31 | jair | it is a way that I can do something like /var/log/XFree86.0.log> /home/user and get the whole file pated right? |
| 01:04.44 | beardy | jcohen85: In which timezone are you? |
| 01:04.52 | dspstv | i did ran dpkg-reconfigure ipw2100-modules-2.6.12 and even reboot after removing and reinstalling the modules |
| 01:04.53 | cheal | dspstv: can you see the module in /lib/modules ? |
| 01:04.57 | abrotman | jair: you mean .. like cp ? |
| 01:05.16 | jair | hmm |
| 01:05.19 | jcohen85 | beardy, EDT |
| 01:05.21 | jair | let me see |
| 01:05.26 | jair | nope |
| 01:05.30 | ultraviolet11 | so by this time I assume i'm annoying some of you people. sorry if I am, but is there any difference between sarge and stable? I assumed at this moment there wasn't much |
| 01:05.30 | jair | ok one sec |
| 01:05.30 | cddesjar | lol abrotman |
| 01:05.33 | ultraviolet11 | if any |
| 01:05.43 | jcohen85 | beardy, ke6isf : KDE says it's in EDT but 21:09:05 = 1:09:05 ??? |
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| 01:05.54 | jcohen85 | it should be 9:05 |
| 01:05.59 | cddesjar | nope |
| 01:06.03 | cddesjar | sarge=stable |
| 01:06.06 | cddesjar | etch=testing |
| 01:06.07 | ultraviolet11 | k thanks |
| 01:06.09 | jcohen85 | everything is 4 hours off |
| 01:06.14 | cddesjar | sid=unstalbe |
| 01:06.16 | ke6isf | jcohen85: LIke I sez, that time is consistent with GMT. You are currently GMT -4 where you sit. |
| 01:06.19 | cddesjar | sid=unstable |
| 01:06.31 | jcohen85 | ke6isf, how do i stop that from happening? |
| 01:06.40 | beardy | jcohen85: EDT is UTC + 11 hours ? |
| 01:06.49 | cddesjar | sid will always be unstable, etch will be the next stable, and i don't know what the next testing is |
| 01:06.57 | factor | can I put a debian package on hold or make a dummy package somehow to get around an install error to let debian finish install while I can manually instal the packe? |
| 01:07.00 | ke6isf | beardy: He's on US east coast, not AU east coast. |
| 01:07.09 | dspstv | cheal, no i dont see the modules, but the apt-get install of them doesnt report any error |
| 01:07.09 | abrotman | beardy: no |
| 01:07.19 | beardy | ke6isf: How should I know.. |
| 01:07.31 | cheal | factor: which error? |
| 01:07.36 | abrotman | EDT is NYC time .. it's 2107 EDT current |
| 01:07.38 | liable | factor: udev still? downgrade it from your cache if you still got it, or just remove it. |
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| 01:07.39 | ke6isf | beardy: Guess you didn't see when he said he was in NY. =^^= |
| 01:07.39 | abrotman | currently |
| 01:07.43 | jair | cddesjar, this is a tar file that I will run in the debian? |
| 01:07.53 | factor | udev has an install error not wiht the binaries but with the install script. |
| 01:07.58 | beardy | ke6isf: Nope. |
| 01:08.02 | cheal | dspstv: try a $ dpkg -L ipw2100-modules-2.6.12; |
| 01:08.06 | cddesjar | do you have the problem described on the website? |
| 01:08.12 | KarMax | maybe im crazy or do something wrong but... debian testing branch use gcc4 ???? :-? |
| 01:08.13 | liable | factor: because you dont have a 2.6.12 kernel? |
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| 01:08.22 | cheal | factor: which is...? |
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| 01:08.24 | abrotman | KarMax: i believe it's getting there |
| 01:08.27 | cddesjar | you can run tar xvzf foobar.tar.gz |
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| 01:08.30 | cddesjar | cd foobar |
| 01:08.34 | jcohen85 | how do i get rid of GMT? |
| 01:08.35 | cddesjar | 845patch 100000 |
| 01:08.53 | jair | cddesjar, but tell me something are you using debian sarge? |
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| 01:08.55 | jcohen85 | i ran base-config and chose no for GMT |
| 01:08.55 | cddesjar | then do the additions they tell you to to XFree86-4 |
| 01:08.56 | jair | cddesjar, 3.1 |
| 01:08.59 | jcohen85 | but it still is showing 1 am |
| 01:09.00 | beardy | jcohen85: Do you dual-boot? |
| 01:09.02 | cddesjar | i have before to get this fixedf |
| 01:09.06 | cddesjar | currently i am using testing |
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| 01:09.11 | dspstv_ | cheal i see this with that command: /lib/modules/2.6.12/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko |
| 01:09.15 | curt | 21:09 is 9:00pm |
| 01:09.20 | factor | liabel, I cant even compile the .12 without getting errors but I have the 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 01:09.21 | jair | cddesjar, ohh ok |
| 01:09.24 | jair | hmmm |
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| 01:09.28 | cddesjar | you could also d/l the RPM package and convert it ot deb from alien |
| 01:09.29 | curt | or 9:09pm |
| 01:09.34 | KarMax | abrotman, wll i will hold it by hand, thanks |
| 01:09.36 | cheal | dspstv: try # insmod /lib/modules/2.6.12/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko; |
| 01:09.49 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:10.01 | ke6isf | jcohen85: So as I understand it, currently, your system clock will show 21:09 at this time, but for some reason in KDE it gives the time as now + four hours? |
| 01:10.02 | factor | I can use mc to pull out the binaries and manually place them. |
| 01:10.02 | liable | factor: get .060-1, then put it on hold, then you can still have upgraded alsa-base, or just remove it.. |
| 01:10.08 | factor | yup |
| 01:10.11 | dspstv_ | localhost:/home/dspstv# insmod /lib/modules/2.6.12/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko |
| 01:10.11 | dspstv_ | insmod: can't read '/lib/modules/2.6.12/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko': No such file or directory |
| 01:10.15 | factor | how do I put a hold on it? |
| 01:10.19 | curt | UTC |
| 01:10.21 | ke6isf | !hold |
| 01:10.21 | dpkg | hold is probably a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
| 01:10.26 | grendal_prime | rage 128 agp anyone? |
| 01:10.51 | ircops_home | no thanks |
| 01:10.53 | cheal | dspstv: hum... $ dpkg -l ipw2100-modules-2.6.12|grep ipw; ? |
| 01:10.53 | ke6isf | grendal_prime: 0x84789deda. |
| 01:10.57 | beardy | jcohen85: Do you dual-boot between Debian and DOS/Windows on that machine? |
| 01:10.59 | nvz | grendal_prime: no thanks |
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| 01:11.02 | abrotman | grendal_prime: will it fit in my laptop ? |
| 01:11.09 | grendal_prime | no..it was working |
| 01:11.14 | grendal_prime | great actually |
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| 01:11.16 | jcohen85 | ke6isf, if i'm using GMT, what do i do to stop using GMT? i re-ran base-config and chose not to use GMT but it didn't change anything |
| 01:11.26 | dspstv_ | ii ipw2100-modules-2.6.12 1.1.2-1 ipw2100 modules for Linux (kernel 2.6.12). |
| 01:11.31 | nvz | I got an S3 ProSuckage and I don't even want that. |
| 01:11.31 | liable | dpkg: hold is also or use aptitude hold package. |
| 01:11.33 | jcohen85 | beardy, yes |
| 01:11.43 | jcohen85 | ke6isf, correct |
| 01:11.43 | DarkMare | hey, I'd like to update my kernel to the latest stable version (2.6.13.3), but I can't find the kernel-image-2.6.13.3 package with apt-get |
| 01:11.49 | DarkMare | what repository should I add to the list? |
| 01:11.52 | jcohen85 | beardy, yes |
| 01:11.54 | SimonRaven | toresbe: that would vary on arch you know |
| 01:11.54 | SimonRaven | and you can fetch it from a freshly downloaded openssh-clinet and -server set of debs |
| 01:11.59 | cheal | dspstv_: something looks wrong. try reinstalling the package |
| 01:12.01 | beardy | jcohen85: Then you should keep your RTC in your local time, and tell Debian that, in base-config. |
| 01:12.11 | toresbe | SimonRaven: I just found a very nice util called debkeys |
| 01:12.15 | dspstv | yea i tryed that already |
| 01:12.17 | toresbe | so see y'all |
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| 01:12.28 | jcohen85 | beardy, RTC? |
| 01:12.28 | cheal | DarkMare: none. 2.6.13 is not packaged for Debian yet |
| 01:12.32 | beardy | !rtc |
| 01:12.32 | dpkg | methinks rtc is Real Time Clock. This is necessary for SMP machines but quite useless for UP purposes (unless you read on how to use it). Disable RTC in the kernel if you get "clock skew detected" while building the kernel or anything which uses 'make'. |
| 01:12.34 | ke6isf | DarkMare: 2.6.13 is not available in stable. |
| 01:12.45 | DarkMare | cheal: what's the latest version packaged for debian then? |
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| 01:12.48 | beardy | jcohen85: The hardware clock. |
| 01:12.51 | cheal | DarkMare: 2.6.12 |
| 01:13.01 | DarkMare | ok, what repository can I get it from? |
| 01:13.09 | ke6isf | DarkMare: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 01:13.15 | dspstv | cheal i jsut did a new kernel for adding usbserial and rebooted and voila eth1 dissapeared! |
| 01:13.15 | DarkMare | sarge |
| 01:13.16 | cheal | DarkMare: any good etch or sid retailer |
| 01:13.31 | ke6isf | DarkMare: 2.6.8 is the latest 'stable' (sarge) kernel. |
| 01:13.54 | DarkMare | ke6isf: yeah, I know, but it has problems with the sata_sil chipset |
| 01:13.57 | cddesjar | 2.6.8 is going to be the last kernel for sarge |
| 01:13.58 | jcohen85 | beardy, i guess i had to restart |
| 01:14.01 | DarkMare | and I need that |
| 01:14.02 | jcohen85 | beardy, now the time shows 9:13 |
| 01:14.07 | cheal | dspstv: you'll have to find why that file isn't there anyway |
| 01:14.35 | beardy | jcohen85: If you already have the correct time when running DOS/Win, just run base-config and tell it that you have the RTC set to local time. |
| 01:14.53 | DarkMare | cheal: can you tell me one etch/sid repository please? |
| 01:15.00 | ke6isf | DarkMare: apt-setup |
| 01:15.01 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 01:15.05 | DarkMare | ok |
| 01:15.07 | SimonRaven | jcojust set TZ in .bash_profile |
| 01:15.12 | beardy | jcohen85: In KDE too? |
| 01:15.14 | ultraviolet11 | how the hell did m-a prepare do so much? 0_0 |
| 01:15.27 | abrotman | it's smart ? |
| 01:15.28 | cddesjar | jair: i presume you grab the 865patch? |
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| 01:16.06 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 01:16.08 | SimonRaven | um, that's crap for RTC WRT make |
| 01:16.23 | ultraviolet11 | abrotman: my computer has lisp installed on it, i think that's why |
| 01:16.30 | SimonRaven | make uses timestamps. it's a necessary feature IMO |
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| 01:16.39 | Elly | hey, someone name a working DNS server? my ISPs' just quit |
| 01:16.43 | jcohen85 | beardy, i think i just had to turn off GMT in base-config and restart |
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| 01:16.53 | jcohen85 | beardy, i didn't restart earlier |
| 01:16.53 | cddesjar | anyone use is interested and is a student can get staroffice 8 for free right now |
| 01:17.01 | jcohen85 | beardy, yes- it works fine now in KDE |
| 01:17.03 | cddesjar | except it's virtual the same as oo.org2 |
| 01:17.05 | SimonRaven | !factinfo rtc |
| 01:17.06 | dpkg | rtc -- it has been requested 19 times, last by beardy, 4m 33s ago. |
| 01:17.10 | ke6isf | Elly: dyndns.org maybe? |
| 01:17.21 | SimonRaven | *sigh* |
| 01:17.30 | beardy | jcohen85: Yes, you shouldn't have to restart though. But if it's working as you want now, good. |
| 01:17.30 | Elly | dyndns.org isn't a DNS server, is it? I thought it was a dynamic DNS service ;\ |
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| 01:17.50 | abrotman | ultraviolet11: oh ok |
| 01:17.53 | cddesjar | dude if someone needs to ask for a sid repository they should be using sid |
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| 01:18.09 | SimonRaven | shouldn't ;) |
| 01:18.12 | DarkMare | apt-setup only fetches stable packages |
| 01:18.12 | cddesjar | whoops |
| 01:18.15 | ke6isf | Elly: Not sure if it's your right answer. Feh, I better idle - I'm zonked. |
| 01:18.16 | cddesjar | that's what i ment |
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| 01:18.22 | SimonRaven | i know :) |
| 01:18.27 | SimonRaven | 'meant' |
| 01:18.27 | ircops_home | how do you update apt itself? |
| 01:18.28 | cddesjar | or did i |
| 01:18.30 | cddesjar | ;) |
| 01:18.35 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 01:18.43 | cddesjar | i like sid |
| 01:18.47 | cddesjar | i've used it for a bit |
| 01:18.48 | micro^usta | same as other packages |
| 01:18.51 | cddesjar | but it scares me |
| 01:18.52 | ke6isf | !tell DarkMare -about dist-upgrade |
| 01:18.53 | beardy | SimonRaven: why the *sigh*? |
| 01:18.56 | abrotman | ircops: just like every other package |
| 01:19.00 | abrotman | !tell solemnwarning about away |
| 01:19.01 | ircops_home | abrotman: ok |
| 01:19.02 | abrotman | AGAIN |
| 01:19.08 | abrotman | just fucking ban him |
| 01:19.15 | abrotman | he does it every god damned day |
| 01:19.16 | SimonRaven | because that RTC factoid is wrong wrt make |
| 01:19.33 | solemnwarning | ffs |
| 01:19.43 | abrotman | just turn it off |
| 01:19.45 | beardy | Exactly, ffs. |
| 01:19.46 | solemnwarning | tell me a way i can make xchat ignore 1 chan |
| 01:19.47 | abrotman | noone cares |
| 01:19.47 | cddesjar | anyone running gnome have any issues with transparency? i can't seem to get my panel entirely transparent. btw i am running 2.10 |
| 01:19.48 | AlexanRO | does the "dpkg-scanpackages..." command need to be run everytime i add to my local repo? |
| 01:19.52 | micro^usta | hell, irc.gnome is really a idle place to be ... nothing at all |
| 01:19.56 | ke6isf | solemnwarning: Don't join it. |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | solemnwarning: how about .. learn how to use your IRC client |
| 01:20.07 | solemnwarning | ok then |
| 01:20.13 | abrotman | or ask #xchat |
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| 01:20.26 | solemnwarning | 1 setting to stop it sending to #debian? |
| 01:20.29 | solemnwarning | does not exist |
| 01:20.35 | abrotman | just stop doing it |
| 01:20.56 | abrotman | noone in #nvidia or ##linux will miss you .. |
| 01:20.59 | SimonRaven | uncheck 'public away'. if we really need to see your status, we'll just /whois you.... |
| 01:21.08 | ke6isf | solemnwarning: There isn't something to stop it from one channel. You either broadcast an away on all channels, or not at all. |
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| 01:21.38 | beardy | SimonRaven: Ok. (what does "wrt make" mean?) |
| 01:21.38 | SimonRaven | later |
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| 01:21.47 | SimonRaven | with regards to make |
| 01:22.20 | abrotman | beardy: come on .. you've been here how long? :) |
| 01:22.32 | SimonRaven | longer than i have IIRC |
| 01:23.06 | SimonRaven | (which isn't that long ... over 2 years) |
| 01:23.16 | beardy | abrotman: What does that have to do with it? English is not my first language.. |
| 01:23.17 | abrotman | barely more than me |
| 01:23.24 | abrotman | beardy: could have fooled me :) |
| 01:23.33 | petemc | SimonRaven: isnt it a lot longer than 2 years? |
| 01:23.38 | SimonRaven | beardy: you have excellent english |
| 01:23.43 | abrotman | yeah .. i've been here almost 2 years |
| 01:23.46 | beardy | SimonRaven: Thankyou :) |
| 01:23.49 | abrotman | and simonrvn was here then |
| 01:23.54 | SimonRaven | petemc: i can't recall... something like that |
| 01:23.55 | abrotman | then SimonRaven ate simonrvn |
| 01:24.02 | zerver_the_death | night all |
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| 01:24.10 | petemc | SimonRaven: you? im pretty sure its longer... |
| 01:24.19 | abrotman | i think so too |
| 01:24.35 | SimonRaven | circa late 2002, or early 2003 |
| 01:24.47 | abrotman | that's me! |
| 01:24.49 | luci0 | i dont't speak english |
| 01:24.52 | petemc | fair enough |
| 01:24.59 | cddesjar | what do you speak? |
| 01:25.06 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:25.06 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:25.08 | luci0 | cddesjar portugues |
| 01:25.15 | cddesjar | !portugues |
| 01:25.19 | cddesjar | !spanish |
| 01:25.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:25.27 | cddesjar | !portuguese |
| 01:25.28 | dpkg | well, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:25.31 | abrotman | what was wrong with the one i did |
| 01:25.32 | petemc | SimonRaven: so how come you were an op so quick, at that time? |
| 01:25.39 | cddesjar | whoops |
| 01:25.41 | cddesjar | i didn't see it |
| 01:25.44 | abrotman | petemc: that was sussudio_ iirc |
| 01:25.49 | petemc | no.. |
| 01:25.54 | cddesjar | what are we suppose to read in this rooms now |
| 01:26.03 | beardy | I'm not sure how long I've been here, but probably since 2002 sometime. |
| 01:26.22 | cddesjar | in this room? |
| 01:26.25 | abrotman | beardy: you're awful quiet then |
| 01:26.28 | abrotman | !seen beardy |
| 01:26.28 | dpkg | beardy is currently on #debian (2d 8h 6m 15s). Has said a total of 3110 messages. Is idling for 25s |
| 01:26.31 | cddesjar | or in this world? |
| 01:26.31 | abrotman | !seen abrotman |
| 01:26.31 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (2h 29m 27s). Has said a total of 138741 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 01:26.36 | SimonRaven | petemc: *shrug*. EE said he'd been watching for a while, "and picked me out". i don't remember exact details |
| 01:26.36 | ircops_home | !room |
| 01:26.36 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 01:26.37 | abrotman | or .. i talk to much |
| 01:26.51 | abrotman | SimonRaven: get them again! |
| 01:26.53 | abrotman | we need more ops! |
| 01:27.05 | abrotman | even if you are canadian |
| 01:27.07 | petemc | there was a coup... |
| 01:27.08 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 01:27.08 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 01:27.09 | micro^usta | lol |
| 01:27.10 | beardy | Hmm, that count seems a bit low yes.. |
| 01:27.25 | abrotman | beardy: you are from korea? |
| 01:27.25 | cddesjar | i am an american studying in canada |
| 01:27.27 | cddesjar | ;( |
| 01:27.28 | beardy | Is it based on hostmask or nick? |
| 01:27.33 | beardy | abrotman: .. no |
| 01:27.35 | abrotman | beardy: for what? |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | hostmask or nick for what? |
| 01:27.52 | SimonRaven | go ahead ;p. i don't consider myself canuck, really. i just have that citizenship |
| 01:27.55 | abrotman | beardy: oh . nick afaik |
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| 01:28.09 | beardy | abrotman: dpkg's seen count. |
| 01:28.13 | beardy | abrotman: Ok. |
| 01:28.20 | nvz | what we need is to greycat. but he's obviously had enough of us :P |
| 01:28.29 | abrotman | nvz: engrish ? |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | nvz: oh .. that's not it |
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| 01:28.54 | beardy | abrotman: Yes, perhaps I'm quiet.. but that count seemed a bit too low.. but perhaps correct then. |
| 01:28.54 | ultraviolet11 | allright ladies and gentlemen, the nvidia install was a siltch after the help from the #debian channel.. thanks a lot |
| 01:28.54 | max | ok |
| 01:28.59 | max | how in the bloody hell |
| 01:29.01 | cddesjar | www.engrish.com |
| 01:29.07 | micro^usta | i actually like canada *hide* |
| 01:29.09 | beardy | !seen abrotman |
| 01:29.09 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (2h 32m 5s). Has said a total of 138752 messages. Is idling for 33s |
| 01:29.09 | ultraviolet11 | cddesjar: that's an awesome site |
| 01:29.12 | max | do you get vim to record things in insert mode? |
| 01:29.12 | abrotman | beardy: i doubt it .. but you didn't have another nick before did you ? |
| 01:29.23 | ultraviolet11 | brb going to reboot x server |
| 01:29.30 | cddesjar | ha ha ha...execution in proces |
| 01:29.32 | cddesjar | s |
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| 01:29.52 | SimonRaven | i'm much more attached to the land itself, than the nation-state (which is very little, if at all) |
| 01:29.59 | nvz | let my fettucini sit too long its sticking together I have to cut it like its some kind of pasta casserole |
| 01:30.05 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you dirty quebecois! |
| 01:30.05 | cddesjar | http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=aerowings2.jpg&category=Video%20Games&date=2003-07-07 |
| 01:30.06 | beardy | abrotman: No, I've had the same. |
| 01:30.09 | cddesjar | it's too funny |
| 01:30.13 | cddesjar | <wipes tears> |
| 01:30.19 | abrotman | beardy: maybe because you just registered ? |
| 01:30.24 | SimonRaven | abrotman: i'm not from here ;) |
| 01:30.30 | beardy | abrotman: Perhaps. |
| 01:30.31 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you dirty quebecois! |
| 01:30.34 | max | i do q1 <insert recorded junk here, including entering insert mode, then leaving it> q then :@1 and it does everything i want except for the stuff in insert mode |
| 01:30.39 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you're from ... sweden! |
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| 01:30.49 | beardy | abrotman: I'm from Sweden btw. |
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| 01:30.55 | SimonRaven | abrotman: no, tiny town called bonnyville, in alberta |
| 01:30.58 | cddesjar | i'm living in Alberta |
| 01:31.02 | acj | nvz: heh, I did that yesterday, 15 mins in the oven loosens it up :) |
| 01:31.03 | abrotman | beardy: you should go vsiit toresbe! |
| 01:31.07 | abrotman | SimonRaven: that's canada .. i think :) |
| 01:31.13 | SimonRaven | about 20 min from cold lake |
| 01:31.15 | cddesjar | alberta is canadian texas |
| 01:31.19 | ultraviolet11 | ok, i thought I would of been able to restard x server but.. umm i couldn't |
| 01:31.21 | SimonRaven | yes it is |
| 01:31.24 | ultraviolet11 | i don't want to reboot the computer though |
| 01:31.26 | cddesjar | calgary=houston |
| 01:31.35 | SimonRaven | cddesjar: pretty much |
| 01:31.36 | cddesjar | edmonton=austin/dallas mix |
| 01:31.44 | abrotman | philly=philly |
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| 01:31.54 | nvz | acj: I am trying 15min in my stomache. takes like 2 and a half hours to light the oven |
| 01:31.54 | cddesjar | God! Excrement! I'm surrounded! |
| 01:31.57 | cheal | cddesjar: haha, good comparison |
| 01:32.04 | cddesjar | i am living in edmonton |
| 01:32.12 | beardy | abrotman: How long have you been registered? |
| 01:32.15 | cddesjar | it's cold |
| 01:32.18 | SimonRaven | i have a lot of relatives in edmonton |
| 01:32.21 | abrotman | nvz: put in a dish with some water .. cover .. nuke |
| 01:32.25 | acj | nvz:lol |
| 01:32.29 | abrotman | beardy: /msg nickserv info abrotman |
| 01:32.36 | cddesjar | engrish.com can't be real |
| 01:32.38 | cddesjar | there is no way |
| 01:32.41 | beardy | abrotman: I only registered a while ago, when the invasion of the spambots was. |
| 01:32.45 | cddesjar | yup i am going to graduate school in edmonton |
| 01:33.01 | abrotman | beardy: i've been coming around .. maybe 3 months longer than that .. maybe 6 .. not sure |
| 01:33.03 | cddesjar | i am an american though |
| 01:33.09 | abrotman | cddesjar: from jersey? |
| 01:33.20 | nvz | abrotman: thats the problem I let it stand in the nuker too long cooking the chicken. |
| 01:33.24 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:33.28 | abrotman | nuke it again! |
| 01:33.34 | cddesjar | nope |
| 01:33.38 | abrotman | cddesjar: from jersey? |
| 01:33.41 | cddesjar | nope |
| 01:33.44 | abrotman | you smell like you're from jersey |
| 01:33.46 | SimonRaven | i still have an uncle fishing whitefish in cold lake. haven't gotten to se him yet |
| 01:33.49 | nvz | the water/milk in the sauce evaporated |
| 01:33.51 | cddesjar | ouch |
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| 01:33.58 | cddesjar | i don't know what that means |
| 01:34.03 | abrotman | nvz: more water .. cover .. nuke |
| 01:34.14 | beardy | abrotman: 8 weeks ago, apparently. |
| 01:34.16 | dspstv_ | cheal, i get this from modprobe ipw2100 |
| 01:34.36 | dspstv_ | solemnwarning: Error inserting ieee80211_crypt (/lib/modules/2.6.12/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ieee80211_crypt.ko): Invalid module format |
| 01:34.41 | nvz | its almost gone now. I am just eating it and drinking milk.. later I will jump up and down and It will be fine |
| 01:34.52 | luci0 | somebody studies in the college of havard? |
| 01:34.55 | abrotman | nvz: milkshake! |
| 01:35.19 | beardy | abrotman: Maybe the "seen" count is started/restarted when registering then. But can I have said 3000 things in 8 weeks? :) maybe.. |
| 01:35.39 | abrotman | beardy: have you seen debstats .. it's totally possible |
| 01:35.47 | nvz | didn't GWB goto Harvard? |
| 01:35.55 | abrotman | ytale |
| 01:35.56 | abrotman | yale |
| 01:36.05 | SimonRaven | nvz: no, his daddy bought him a diploma |
| 01:36.09 | nvz | oh, well that doesnt say much for that school if he got through |
| 01:36.16 | abrotman | money money money |
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| 01:36.41 | abrotman | where's jjazz |
| 01:36.42 | petemc | and we all know where the bush family got their money |
| 01:36.45 | factor | !hold |
| 01:36.45 | dpkg | i guess hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
| 01:36.47 | acj | confusion confusion confusion |
| 01:36.55 | cddesjar | !George Bush |
| 01:36.55 | dpkg | george bush is, like, eehhh..ehhhh...dunno, or a short-dicked, draft dodging, weed smoking, rubber bellied hillbilly |
| 01:37.00 | petemc | warmongering is profitable, no matter what era it is |
| 01:37.01 | nvz | petemc: the bin ladens? |
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| 01:37.07 | beardy | abrotman: ah, no, haven't checket debstats before. |
| 01:37.11 | cheal | dspstv_: I never used that module. if you can't fix it, consider reporting a bug |
| 01:37.12 | abrotman | !debstats |
| 01:37.12 | dpkg | somebody said debstats was managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 01:37.13 | microsys | hihi, so now this was mine |
| 01:37.14 | beardy | checked* |
| 01:37.29 | abrotman | beardy: and you can check prior months/years |
| 01:37.33 | beardy | Yeah, I'm already looking at it :) |
| 01:37.38 | dspstv_ | cheal oke kool thanks |
| 01:37.46 | petemc | nvz: this is going back a bit, read the unofficial george bush biography |
| 01:37.50 | beardy | abrotman: ok |
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| 01:38.13 | nvz | petemc: heh, where do I find that? |
| 01:38.16 | abrotman | beardy: yeah .. it's sick |
| 01:38.19 | beardy | abrotman: Heh, guess who is number 1? :) |
| 01:38.50 | nvz | I walked to the library in the rain today cause I had nothing better to do. I owe them $0.20 and I left my change sitting on my desk. I will have to remember to take it next time. |
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| 01:38.55 | abrotman | beardy: nfc |
| 01:39.03 | petemc | nvz: http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm |
| 01:39.14 | beardy | damn, I'm 12th.. |
| 01:39.29 | microsys | im not even in anymore |
| 01:39.30 | beardy | I didn't think I said that much.. |
| 01:39.30 | microsys | ;P |
| 01:39.38 | abrotman | beardy: who is ? |
| 01:39.56 | nvz | I would be 1 or at least 2 if certain people in Philadephia didnt talk so much |
| 01:40.09 | abrotman | !phillysmite nvz |
| 01:40.21 | nvz | !yinzersmite abrotman |
| 01:40.28 | beardy | abrotman: You are number 1 :) |
| 01:40.33 | beardy | !prize abrotman |
| 01:40.37 | abrotman | beardy: guess i need a life eh? |
| 01:40.45 | microsys | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.50 | cheal | abrotman: too late |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | nvz: that one took me a minute to translate |
| 01:41.15 | petemc | debstats |
| 01:41.17 | petemc | gah |
| 01:41.20 | petemc | abrotman: you ever go to wildwood |
| 01:41.28 | abrotman | petemc: nj ? |
| 01:41.32 | petemc | aye |
| 01:41.42 | abrotman | petemc: sure .. my dad lived in Atlantic City for a few years |
| 01:41.57 | abrotman | petemc: do you go there for fun and pleasure ? |
| 01:42.09 | petemc | abrotman: i spent 3 summers there, 95, 96 and 98 |
| 01:42.11 | microsys | there are that many nice languages out there, C, Perl, Python, Ruby, shellscript whatever, but this does not implicit that all must be used in one application argh, 4th header installing ... |
| 01:42.21 | abrotman | petemc: but aren't you in canada now ? |
| 01:42.26 | petemc | abrotman: im irish |
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| 01:42.31 | abrotman | petemc: you live in ireland? |
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| 01:42.35 | petemc | yeah |
| 01:42.38 | petemc | belfast |
| 01:42.41 | abrotman | why would you spend a summer in wildwood then? |
| 01:42.44 | abrotman | jeez |
| 01:42.49 | abrotman | that's like .. bad :) |
| 01:43.06 | petemc | abrotman: there was work, lots of irish go there, its a fun town |
| 01:43.23 | petemc | nope, i was a carney |
| 01:43.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:43.32 | abrotman | that's bad |
| 01:43.40 | petemc | i made some money, had some fun |
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| 01:43.51 | abrotman | you got laid! .. young impressionable girls! |
| 01:43.55 | abrotman | you got drunk! |
| 01:43.55 | petemc | heh |
| 01:43.57 | lultravioet16 | hey everyone, I got it working |
| 01:44.01 | nvz | if you are going to go for a Pimp internship you have to at least go somewhere better than Wildwood |
| 01:44.15 | petemc | i was 17 when i was there first, was going oujt with an older american girl |
| 01:44.15 | abrotman | nvz: we can't all live in Leetsdale |
| 01:44.23 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 01:44.25 | lultravioet16 | the nvidia drivers.. just thought i'de drop by and let you all kno |
| 01:44.26 | lultravioet16 | w |
| 01:44.30 | abrotman | lultravioet16: yay |
| 01:44.38 | nvz | abrotman: no kidding, we only got 1.2sq Miles |
| 01:44.38 | microsys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:44.53 | nvz | abrotman: about 50% of it belongs to Steve Thomas |
| 01:44.53 | lultravioet16 | i also have no idea why bitchx is making my name lultraviolet 0_0 |
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| 01:45.05 | abrotman | lultravioet16: use irssi :) |
| 01:45.07 | petemc | wildwood is a party town, full of degenerates, but fun |
| 01:45.19 | abrotman | stew: are you watching the yanks game ? |
| 01:45.23 | abrotman | petemc: you fit right in! |
| 01:45.26 | lultravioet16 | irssi? i'll look into it, thanks |
| 01:45.28 | abrotman | petemc: but you don't come back anymore ? |
| 01:45.29 | beardy | lultravioet16: the package is called irssi-text |
| 01:45.30 | petemc | :) |
| 01:45.31 | nvz | abrotman: another 15-20% is Quaker Village, and Quaker Valley High School. |
| 01:45.32 | abrotman | !best irc client |
| 01:45.32 | dpkg | irssi-text is, like, probably the best IRC client |
| 01:45.33 | abrotman | see |
| 01:45.45 | lultravioet16 | hahaha |
| 01:45.46 | petemc | abrotman: nah, ive got a kid, career, business, all that stuff |
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| 01:45.50 | abrotman | petemc: and? |
| 01:45.50 | lultravioet16 | wow dpkg sponsored. |
| 01:45.59 | lultravioet16 | lets see |
| 01:46.01 | lultravioet16 | brb |
| 01:46.01 | lultravioet16 | haha |
| 01:46.04 | lultravioet16 | =) |
| 01:46.09 | Arsion | question |
| 01:46.11 | petemc | abrotman: right, im not married |
| 01:46.11 | nvz | abrotman: then its also like 25% dense trees. |
| 01:46.19 | abrotman | petemc: damn women! |
| 01:46.22 | petemc | abrotman: i wouldnt holiday in wildwood |
| 01:46.27 | abrotman | nvz: the rest is your fat ass ? |
| 01:46.29 | petemc | now.. |
| 01:46.34 | abrotman | petemc: how about philly?!?! |
| 01:46.47 | petemc | i lived in philly for a while |
| 01:46.58 | petemc | skated love park, hung out in south street |
| 01:46.58 | khanman | wildwood? the asshole of new jersey |
| 01:47.08 | abrotman | petemc: you were a total degenerate .. you went to Zipperhead! |
| 01:47.08 | Arsion | just found this "dpkg-deb -X libc6_from_debian_not_suse.deb /place/you/mounted/your/broken/system" now, i take it, this will basically unpack everything and overwrite my current libc6 install? |
| 01:47.34 | petemc | abrotman: heh, i know the place, very south street chic |
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| 01:47.43 | Guerin | Arsion: what the hell do you think you're doing? |
| 01:47.49 | abrotman | petemc: first place i ever saw barbie and ken with pubes .. i was about 10 :) |
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| 01:48.01 | factor | going to go ahead and try to udate kernel to get udev to work, did not know that the kernel source now can make deb packages by defualt. very nice. |
| 01:48.02 | Arsion | Guerin: trying to fix abroken system due to a crach libc6 install |
| 01:48.04 | Arsion | crash |
| 01:48.22 | abrotman | Guerin: i was just going to let him total screw up his computer :) |
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| 01:48.40 | Arsion | abrotman: its already totally screwed up |
| 01:48.43 | nvz | abrotman: heh I am not fat by american standards at all. I am only like 180lbs and 32inches, and i am 6ft |
| 01:48.43 | abrotman | oh .. ok |
| 01:48.45 | abrotman | carry on |
| 01:48.58 | abrotman | nvz: lard ass! |
| 01:49.03 | abrotman | nvz: lard ass! |
| 01:49.05 | Guerin | Arsion: you're actually using a debian libc6 package? |
| 01:49.08 | abrotman | boom babba boom babba |
| 01:49.14 | Arsion | abrotman: 90% of all commands crash with a glibc error. so, all i can do it pray this works |
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| 01:49.23 | abrotman | Arsion: is this an external server? |
| 01:49.33 | Arsion | Guerin: yes, but it crashed when i was upgrading it |
| 01:49.40 | nvz | abrotman: look at the satellite images on gmaps all you can see is the part of Leetsdale Steve Thomas owns. cause he tears out all the trees. the rest of the town you cant even see. we got more trees even up and down the streets than telephone poles. its tree city USA |
| 01:49.40 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:49.40 | Guerin | Arsion: reinstalling might be easier if you haave local access |
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| 01:49.47 | SimonRaven | that's not chubby... that's about right for 6' |
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| 01:49.54 | abrotman | nvz: hehe |
| 01:49.57 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i was joking |
| 01:50.04 | Guerin | Arsion: ok. so that libc6_from_debian_not_suse.deb isn't the real filename. ok. |
| 01:50.09 | SimonRaven | i know. just commenting :) |
| 01:50.12 | abrotman | SimonRaven: have you not seen Stand By Me ? |
| 01:50.24 | petemc | or read the book... |
| 01:50.25 | SimonRaven | long time ago |
| 01:50.30 | Arsion | Guerin: been trying to do that, cant figure out how to boot from hdd. I was going to try chroot, but its gone and I cant download debootstrap using apt-get, so i dont know what else to do |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | petemc: canadians can't read |
| 01:50.43 | petemc | :) |
| 01:50.43 | xcrash | i did apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6.12 and no kernel-source ;) |
| 01:50.46 | SimonRaven | @lart abrotman |
| 01:50.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:50.50 | Arsion | Guerin: no just c&p'd from site i found it at |
| 01:50.55 | cheal | !tell xcrash about 2.6.12 |
| 01:51.20 | Guerin | Arsion: that should work, if you use the real package |
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| 01:51.44 | Guerin | Arsion: you may have to re-run some linking configotrons; I'm not quite sure |
| 01:51.44 | manu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.00 | manu | Why cpu usage so high? |
| 01:52.07 | abrotman | nvz: i was 180lbs once |
| 01:52.19 | SimonRaven | have fun petemc |
| 01:52.20 | Arsion | Guerin: okay, how about this...i cant do that exact command on my box, would i be able to take that deb, unpack it on WinXP, burn it to cd, then cp everything? |
| 01:52.43 | xcrash | cheal, what does that mean ;) |
| 01:52.58 | abrotman | SimonRaven: i still want to try poutine .. but i've heard i can get something similar in philly |
| 01:53.09 | petemc | SimonRaven: i just read a few passages, then look back in - if you havent read it, id recommmend it |
| 01:53.12 | cheal | xcrash: there are no kernel-source packages anymore for 2.6.12. they are named linux-source |
| 01:53.13 | cddesjar | fries, gravy, and cheese curds |
| 01:53.16 | cddesjar | it's the best |
| 01:53.19 | Guerin | Arsion: no, because the permissions would be all screwy. You need to boot that machine to a shell, mount your / and go from there. |
| 01:53.21 | abrotman | !poutine |
| 01:53.22 | dpkg | http://www.xavinho.online.fr/travels/america/montreal/poutine.jpg or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine |
| 01:53.24 | abrotman | cddesjar: i know what it is |
| 01:53.31 | Arsion | Guerin: if i can get it working enough to stop glibc errors, then i could reinstall with chroot |
| 01:53.32 | Guerin | Arsion: any livecd will do |
| 01:53.50 | SimonRaven | petemc: cool. keep it mind |
| 01:53.52 | ircops_home | cya guys on monday *peace* |
| 01:54.01 | ircops_home | *insert zippy here* |
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| 01:54.08 | SimonRaven | abrotman: you can make it yourself, too |
| 01:54.23 | nvz | abrotman: this is the first time for me. most i've been is 183.5lbs and thats only in the evening if I eat a lot. I am bouncing between 176 and 183.5 right now. I already started lifting a little again. I was going to wait until I reached 185 but I dont seem to be gaining anymore. I am hoping working out wont slim me back down to 130 or something in a weeks time. |
| 01:54.33 | abrotman | SimonRaven: we don't have curds in the stores here afaik |
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| 01:54.42 | deadcat | is high-five a form of hand-shaking? |
| 01:54.50 | abrotman | nvz: you don't understand .. i'm like 5'8" :) |
| 01:55.00 | abrotman | deadcat: not really |
| 01:55.03 | SimonRaven | deadcat: eh, more like "woohoo" kinda thing |
| 01:55.07 | deadcat | damn |
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| 01:55.26 | nvz | abrotman: I think I am like 5'11" or so |
| 01:55.38 | Arsion | Guerin:so i cant burn it to cd, mount that cd, then cp everything off the cdrom...hmm...tar isnt working so thats preventing me from doing it all on the laptop |
| 01:56.00 | deadcat | how can i combine high-five, handshake, and those hand-shake thing black people do? i plan to do a complaint speech on that. |
| 01:56.04 | beardy | deadcat: Not much time to shake when doing a high-five, is it? :) |
| 01:56.14 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:56.47 | beardy | Complaint speech? |
| 01:56.51 | petemc | poutine sounds like poteen, but whilst they're both potato based, they're very differeny |
| 01:56.51 | abrotman | deadcat: uhm ... what? |
| 01:56.58 | deadcat | beardy: ya. |
| 01:57.11 | beardy | deadcat: Complain about what? |
| 01:57.15 | abrotman | petemc: you wacky irish :) |
| 01:57.18 | petemc | :) |
| 01:57.20 | abrotman | !cheesesteak |
| 01:57.20 | dpkg | hmm... cheesesteak is http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak, or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
| 01:57.22 | cddesjar | abrotman why do you care so much about |
| 01:57.25 | abrotman | MMMMMMMMMMMMM |
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| 01:57.32 | abrotman | cddesjar: finish your sentence |
| 01:57.33 | ke6isf | deadcat: That's when it becomes something more like a secret handshake. =O.o= |
| 01:57.39 | abrotman | or question |
| 01:57.42 | deadcat | beardy: the way people shake hands now. compare to just a normal hand shake.. or should i just complain about teens or college students? |
| 01:57.53 | abrotman | it's the youthful generation |
| 01:57.53 | AlexanRO | does anyone know what repo contains kernel-source-2.6.12-1? |
| 01:57.58 | deadcat | ke6isf: ah. secret handshakes. (= thanks |
| 01:58.03 | SimonRaven | deadcat: ENOCONTEXT |
| 01:58.09 | petemc | deadcat: just put your hand out and make it malleable |
| 01:58.11 | nvz | petemc: I havent made it through the introduction and already I think these people need to write another book.. cause this is now the 4th bush term :P |
| 01:58.12 | azeem | AlexanRO: it's not called linux-source I think |
| 01:58.28 | deadcat | petemc: thats what i do. i let them hand-rape me. |
| 01:58.30 | nvz | petemc: this book was written during the 1st |
| 01:58.32 | SimonRaven | like a lump of clay or latex |
| 01:58.33 | petemc | nvz: it just needs more widely publicised |
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| 01:59.38 | beardy | deadcat: Ok, but a high-five could be a greeting, different people greet each other in different ways, why complain about it? Of course, it depends on the situation, a traditional handshake is the more "strict" way of greeting. |
| 02:00.03 | abrotman | petemc: you have to admit you miss cheesesteaks :) |
| 02:00.28 | petemc | abrotman: i do, i buy minute steak, try to cook them, but it aint the same |
| 02:00.33 | abrotman | deadcat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeting |
| 02:00.39 | deadcat | beardy: you got a point there.. maybe i should just complain about cell phone users then |
| 02:00.47 | beardy | deadcat: Perhaps, I'm a college student, but I use a normal handshake, when appropriate. |
| 02:00.48 | abrotman | petemc: you need Schuylkill river water .. i can send you some :) |
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| 02:00.59 | beardy | deadcat: Do that :) |
| 02:01.00 | petemc | i want some tastycakes |
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| 02:01.07 | SimonRaven | maybe you should complain about cell phone users driving while on the phone |
| 02:01.14 | abrotman | petemc: hehe .. they are good |
| 02:01.27 | deadcat | abrotman: good link (= |
| 02:01.57 | abrotman | deadcat: it was just to show that a handshake is not the only greeting used by humans .. never mind the butt sniffing dogs use |
| 02:02.04 | beardy | deadcat: Where is this complaing going to take place? A posting somewhere, a talk, or what? |
| 02:02.07 | petemc | deadcat: you should go and live in the woods, keep a journal of your thoughts - if society bothers you so much |
| 02:02.14 | beardy | complaining.. |
| 02:02.33 | SimonRaven | no one seems to notice that the ice caps are melting, and the sea level is rising, and the air water and soil are poisoned, or .... |
| 02:02.44 | SimonRaven | or no one* |
| 02:02.53 | abrotman | SimonRaven: you should be excited .. you'll soon have beach front :) |
| 02:03.14 | petemc | haha |
| 02:03.15 | deadcat | beardy: class. tommorrow (= |
| 02:03.17 | SimonRaven | i'll be in the woods, myself, by then. along with my partner |
| 02:03.40 | deadcat | petemc: thats where i am at right now (= |
| 02:03.44 | beardy | deadcat: Are you a student or teacher? |
| 02:03.46 | petemc | :) |
| 02:03.50 | deadcat | beardy: student |
| 02:04.02 | abrotman | SimonRaven: in the woods? |
| 02:04.09 | SimonRaven | abrotman: already have some ;). it'll be higher up the shore though ;) |
| 02:04.18 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:04.49 | Guerin | Arsion: use a livecd |
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| 02:05.34 | SimonRaven | strange. it feels like a quiet sunday evening for some reason.... must be the rain + cold |
| 02:05.35 | petemc | this bastard cheapo poweredge with a sata primary disk wont see my ide disks |
| 02:05.40 | deadcat | petemc: ya. my neighbor henry came by earlier for a visit (= |
| 02:05.50 | abrotman | petemc: bios off ? |
| 02:05.57 | petemc | bios sees 'em |
| 02:06.17 | abrotman | so .. its the OS |
| 02:06.17 | petemc | also, a mention of maxtor in dmesg |
| 02:06.41 | petemc | sid, installed with debian dell iso tonight, then upgraded to 2.6-686 |
| 02:06.52 | beardy | deadcat: So, is it some sort of homework or project? "Find something to complain about, and do it good!"? Or are you just upset by things and going to let them (whoever they are) know what you think about them and their ways? |
| 02:07.00 | abrotman | petemc: are they partitioned ? |
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| 02:07.09 | petemc | abrotman: yeah, its all my warez |
| 02:07.23 | abrotman | all your what? |
| 02:07.27 | abrotman | !warez |
| 02:07.27 | dpkg | i heard warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 02:07.30 | SimonRaven | base |
| 02:07.33 | abrotman | hehe .. little gamers |
| 02:07.34 | deadcat | beardy: find something to complain about for 3-4min |
| 02:07.48 | petemc | atuff i stole off of tinternet |
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| 02:07.52 | petemc | stuff |
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| 02:08.01 | ke6isf | tinternet? =O.o= |
| 02:08.01 | deadcat | beardy: have any good topic off the top of your head? i am stuck. |
| 02:08.03 | abrotman | intarweb |
| 02:08.14 | abrotman | it's the Tiny Internet |
| 02:08.24 | abrotman | deadcat: topic regarding what? |
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| 02:08.33 | abrotman | what's the object of your homework ? |
| 02:08.39 | ke6isf | Does one use tftp on the tinternet? =O.o= |
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| 02:08.49 | petemc | *bam* |
| 02:08.50 | deadcat | abrotman: complain about something.. anything for 3-4min |
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| 02:08.55 | alchem | deadcat, collecting underpants -> making profit |
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| 02:09.03 | abrotman | deadcat: why don't you complain about gentoo ? |
| 02:09.06 | beardy | deadcat: Complain about the fact that you have to stand there complaining about something in 3-4 minutes? |
| 02:09.07 | deadcat | i am working on my outline right now |
| 02:09.19 | deadcat | abrotman: its a speech class. not computer class (= |
| 02:09.40 | abrotman | deadcat: so what .. it's your speech .. |
| 02:09.52 | Guerin | deadcat: you're having trouble finding something to complain about? |
| 02:09.54 | abrotman | deadcat: afaik .. the object of a speech class is to teach you how to speak efffectively |
| 02:09.54 | deadcat | abrotman: nobody gonna know what the f i am talking about |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | deadcat: who cares |
| 02:10.01 | petemc | deadcat: i have a 4 hour noam chomsky documentary here, would that help? |
| 02:10.09 | luci0 | I have that to pay to register nick? |
| 02:10.15 | deadcat | petemc: show me (= |
| 02:10.18 | alchem | deadcat, their problem, not yours |
| 02:10.20 | abrotman | luci0: no |
| 02:10.24 | peterS | luci0: no. /msg nickserv help |
| 02:10.27 | abrotman | luci0: /msg nickserv help |
| 02:10.28 | beardy | deadcat: The weather always works I guess :) |
| 02:10.28 | luci0 | abrotman is free? |
| 02:10.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:10.32 | Arsion | Guerin: may i whisper you for a second? |
| 02:10.33 | abrotman | wait |
| 02:10.36 | abrotman | I AM NOT FREE |
| 02:10.38 | deadcat | beardy: that one is taken i think heheh |
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| 02:10.56 | deadcat | abrotman: yes you are cus you're a slut (= |
| 02:11.00 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:11.01 | llama32 | whats a program to play sound from the comand line? |
| 02:11.01 | luci0 | thank's |
| 02:11.06 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:11.08 | petemc | hey peterS |
| 02:11.15 | Guerin | Arsion: talk in channel |
| 02:11.19 | peterS | llama32: mpg321, ogg123, bplay, play, etc. |
| 02:11.23 | abrotman | llama32: depends on the format |
| 02:11.29 | alchem | llama32, sox, mpg123, mpg321, ogg123, mp3blaster, workbone |
| 02:11.30 | peterS | llama32: those are in various debian packages |
| 02:11.33 | llama32 | thx |
| 02:11.55 | beardy | groovycd, if that's still available |
| 02:11.55 | Arsion | Guerin: found this website http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ . If I was to download those, would i place them in ~/boot to make them bootable? |
| 02:12.02 | peterS | for example 'play' is part of sox and 'ogg123' is part of vorbis-tools |
| 02:12.15 | beardy | llama32: sidplay, mikmod |
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| 02:12.38 | llama32 | i think it was play i remember using |
| 02:12.52 | llama32 | totem is a piece of shit |
| 02:12.59 | abrotman | deadcat: you have to give a complaint speech but you have to pick a topic your classmates can understand ? |
| 02:13.03 | beardy | llama32: mplayer |
| 02:13.36 | deadcat | abrotman: that would be nice right? (= |
| 02:13.49 | alchem | deadcat, complain about the fact that you can't complain about gentoo |
| 02:13.58 | abrotman | deadcat: what state/country are you in ? |
| 02:13.59 | acj | llama32: xmms-shell too |
| 02:14.08 | peterS | so tonight I go to a college volleyball match and the visiting team is the Evansville Purple Aces. that's kind of a weird mascot, but ok. so someone had a sign "we're kicking your aces" |
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| 02:14.18 | Guerin | Arsion: no. Go to http://damnsmalllinux.org, burn it to cd, boot, mount your /, proceed |
| 02:14.20 | [A]Imelturface|M | Whassup all. |
| 02:14.22 | deadcat | abrotman: CA |
| 02:14.23 | abrotman | peterS: girls volleyball ? |
| 02:14.24 | buu | peterS: That's awesome! |
| 02:14.31 | SimonRaven | peterS: *groan* |
| 02:14.31 | petemc | peterS: someone from what team? ;0 |
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| 02:14.34 | peterS | abrotman: at the college level I think they say women's |
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| 02:14.37 | abrotman | deadcat: well .. how about the fact that there's no farmland left? |
| 02:14.40 | peterS | petemc: the home team |
| 02:14.42 | beardy | llama32: or just xmms |
| 02:14.44 | abrotman | peterS: hot girls in short shorts! |
| 02:14.45 | sylvisj | I'm new to linux, decided on the debian distro, and can't get it to read the net. |
| 02:14.49 | peterS | abrotman: exactly |
| 02:14.59 | sylvisj | I've installed it, given it all net info I can, and it can't connect for aptget. |
| 02:15.01 | abrotman | peterS: good plan |
| 02:15.02 | petemc | peterS: womens volleyballl a passion of yours? ;) |
| 02:15.02 | peterS | abrotman: and if you add up the whole team you get about one pair of breasts |
| 02:15.04 | Arsion | Guerin: no bootable ability. forced to boot from hdd |
| 02:15.07 | SimonRaven | 'read the net'? which net? |
| 02:15.12 | sylvisj | Internet. |
| 02:15.14 | petemc | tinternet |
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| 02:15.16 | peterS | petemc: it's fun to watch. I'd watch men's volleyball if they had it |
| 02:15.19 | Caelum | sylvisj: are you using a dial up modem? |
| 02:15.24 | sylvisj | USB Cable. |
| 02:15.27 | Guerin | Arsion: wtf? |
| 02:15.27 | Xenguy | sylvisj: can you ping yahoo.com ? |
| 02:15.28 | beardy | sylvisj: How have you configured your network interface(s)? |
| 02:15.28 | sylvisj | I think that's the problem. |
| 02:15.30 | petemc | peterS: ac/dc ;) |
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| 02:15.33 | Caelum | peterS: except women's is more interesting :) |
| 02:15.34 | SimonRaven | amazing, my sid upgrade of 580 MB is finished |
| 02:15.39 | Arsion | Guerin: POS laptop |
| 02:15.41 | sylvisj | Beardy, I don't know how. Hence new to linux. |
| 02:15.56 | peterS | Caelum: they're interesting in different ways. men's volleyball you don't get to ogle as much, but the level of play is more vicious too |
| 02:16.03 | Guerin | Arsion: you might be fucked. How did you install in the first place? |
| 02:16.07 | Caelum | true :) |
| 02:16.31 | sylvisj | It just asked for my ip address and such, then keeps timing out when trying to use aptget. |
| 02:16.32 | peterS | Caelum: ever watch olympic men's volleyball. those guys are nothing short of amazing |
| 02:16.42 | sylvisj | I believe it has to do with the Cable modem, but I'm not sure. |
| 02:16.42 | Xenguy | sylvisj: can you ping yahoo.com ? |
| 02:16.51 | sylvisj | How would I attempt to do so? I'm on windows now... |
| 02:16.52 | Arsion | Guerin: lol usb floppy but it burned out... trying to use chroot way, but i dont understand it a little. for one, mke2fs isnt letting me make new partitions |
| 02:17.23 | Xenguy | sylvisj: do you have access to the linux box, in order to troubleshoot this? |
| 02:17.24 | beardy | sylvisj: You need to configure it. You do so by editing the file /etc/network/interfaces. Read 'man 5 interfaces', it tells you how. Do you have a static ip, or do you get your adress with dhcp? |
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| 02:17.37 | peterS | Caelum: as it happens the local college women's team has a record of 14-2 so far - tonight they rolled over the poor Purple Aces 30-16 30-16 30-21 or something |
| 02:17.41 | Guerin | Arsion: take the HDD out and put it in a real machine |
| 02:17.43 | sylvisj | My linux box is anothe rpartition on this HDD. |
| 02:17.48 | sylvisj | Beardy, static IP. |
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| 02:18.00 | Guerin | Arsion: you'll need a 2.5->3.5 ide adaptor, but those are cheap |
| 02:18.11 | eXa_bOy | how do i make a FTP ONLY user? |
| 02:18.12 | sylvisj | Aptget says DHCP doesn't work for me. |
| 02:18.18 | Xenguy | sylvisj: /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 02:18.30 | sylvisj | Xenguy, I have no clue what to do. I'm a linux noob. |
| 02:18.34 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: give him a homedir like /data/ftp and a shell of /bin/false |
| 02:18.36 | Xenguy | sylvisj: man interfaces |
| 02:18.44 | sylvisj | This means nothing to me. |
| 02:18.57 | Xenguy | sylvisj: type that at a prompt |
| 02:18.59 | peterS | Guerin: some ftpds insist that you have to have a valid shell in order to log in, as in something in /etc/shells |
| 02:19.03 | sylvisj | Alright. |
| 02:19.11 | sylvisj | I'll have to reboot to get into linux... |
| 02:19.13 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: make sure you disallow all other local users from logging in; this should be trivially done in your config |
| 02:19.17 | Xenguy | sylvisj: for the MANual page on how to configure /etc/network/interfaces files |
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| 02:19.23 | Xenguy | sylvisj: do it as root |
| 02:19.29 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, which means you need to add /bin/false to /etc/shells |
| 02:19.31 | Guerin | :) |
| 02:19.33 | sylvisj | Please remember you're talking to a noob. |
| 02:19.34 | Xenguy | sylvisj: after, man resolv.conf |
| 02:19.37 | peterS | Guerin: so tell him to 'add-shell /bin/false' (: |
| 02:19.45 | sylvisj | Ok... could you PM me that with detail? |
| 02:19.58 | Guerin | peterS: vsftpd has shell checking = off functionality |
| 02:20.02 | peterS | ahh |
| 02:20.34 | Xenguy | sylvisj: I don't do PM, and there is no need (write it down, or type it down, and take a crack at it) |
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| 02:21.05 | SimonRaven | libmusicbrainz2c2 should have a Conflicts: libmusicbrainz2 |
| 02:21.23 | sylvisj | Ok... so what do I do? At the console, type 'man interfaces' and do what it says? |
| 02:21.24 | peterS | SimonRaven: do they provide the same filenames? |
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| 02:21.32 | Xenguy | sylvisj: just invoke the help of the manual pages, read them, and try to follow the instructions; if you get stuck, c'mon back - lather rinse repeat :-) |
| 02:21.36 | Xenguy | sylvisj: yes |
| 02:21.45 | SimonRaven | yes. the first is the C++ ABI transition package |
| 02:21.47 | sylvisj | Alright, thx. I'll probably be back very soon. :D |
| 02:21.49 | peterS | right |
| 02:21.56 | Xenguy | sylvisj: heh - good luck |
| 02:22.11 | sylvisj | Thx. I need it. |
| 02:22.17 | SimonRaven | "what's the BTS?" ;p |
| 02:22.22 | SimonRaven | hehehe |
| 02:22.24 | abrotman | !btssmite SimonRaven |
| 02:22.42 | Xenguy | !lart dpkg |
| 02:22.45 | Xenguy | haha |
| 02:22.47 | peterS | pwned |
| 02:22.49 | Caelum | heh |
| 02:22.52 | Xenguy | unlartable |
| 02:22.56 | SimonRaven | like totally, dude |
| 02:22.56 | beardy | sylvisj: http://channels.debian.net/paste/865 Use that as reference, the lines below "# eth0" is what you need, change the adress to the correct one, and the netmask. |
| 02:22.59 | beardy | too late.. |
| 02:23.01 | cheal | hehehe |
| 02:23.38 | Xenguy | heh, "The Unlartables" |
| 02:24.03 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 02:24.21 | SimonRaven | count any blootbot in that |
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| 02:26.59 | Xenguy | !14rt dpkg |
| 02:27.16 | SimonRaven | dpkg is smarter than that |
| 02:27.19 | germangardener10 | hey i really want to be able to watch streaming tv like winamp's TV option, how do i do that in linux? i have mplayer |
| 02:27.19 | Xenguy | nyuck nyuck nyuck |
| 02:27.28 | Xenguy | wiseguy, eh? |
| 02:27.55 | cheal | !dpkg lart |
| 02:28.24 | Xenguy | cheal: you take him from the front, I'll bust him from behind ;-) |
| 02:28.25 | petemc | germangardener10: have you tried mplayer/vlc? |
| 02:28.38 | beardy | germangardener10: 'mplayer http://adresstothestream.foo' as I told you yesterday.. |
| 02:28.53 | Guerin | the hard bit is actually GETTING the urls |
| 02:28.54 | poseidon | germangardener: you need mplayer and vp6 codecs |
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| 02:28.56 | Arsion | ok, cp'd the entire cd1 onto hdd. if i add it to the /boot/grub/menu.lst and booted to that, would i be able to reinstall everything? I know partitioning would delete it, but would it be possible? |
| 02:29.06 | Guerin | Arsion: NO |
| 02:29.35 | SimonRaven | um, what? |
| 02:29.39 | Guerin | Arsion: put your drive in another machine |
| 02:30.20 | Caelum | there was an hdd based install option for debian at some point, wasn't there? |
| 02:30.22 | beardy | Guerin: It's a laptop, without any bootable media.. rube goldberg install. |
| 02:30.23 | petemc | Arsion: greb can boot from an extracted iso on the hdd, but isnt it easier to reinstall? |
| 02:30.32 | petemc | grub |
| 02:30.41 | petemc | and, oh |
| 02:30.42 | Guerin | beardy: yeah, I know. |
| 02:30.48 | SimonRaven | greb = deb + grub |
| 02:30.52 | petemc | :) |
| 02:30.59 | SimonRaven | hehe ;) |
| 02:31.02 | Arsion | rube goldberg install? |
| 02:31.10 | Guerin | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:31.10 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 02:31.12 | SimonRaven | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:31.16 | beardy | Arsion: /msg dpkg rube goldberg install |
| 02:31.37 | Caelum | if it can do that, just make sure the image is not on the partition you're installing to... |
| 02:32.06 | petemc | i aquired an old thinkpad today, no cd and pcmcia nic, i forsee a bit of messing with floppy disks |
| 02:32.16 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 02:32.18 | Guerin | he just needs a shell and some utilities so he can extract a replacement libc6 |
| 02:32.31 | Arsion | aye |
| 02:32.41 | Arsion | if i can replace libc6 some how, all will be fine |
| 02:32.48 | Caelum | petemc: you can get an IDE adapter for laptop hd --> PC ide cable |
| 02:32.57 | beardy | How much is in busybox? |
| 02:32.59 | SimonRaven | i told him to boot to a rescue cd, and re-install libc6, hours ago |
| 02:33.05 | Guerin | but dsl would be a better option than a debian cd, because it has a real, full suite of tools on it, whereas the install cd has busybox |
| 02:33.13 | Guerin | SimonRaven: he can't boot to cd |
| 02:33.14 | Arsion | Simon, the above rube thing was about me |
| 02:33.15 | petemc | Caelum: indeed you can, and what should i do with it? |
| 02:33.37 | Guerin | Caelum: suggested that already |
| 02:33.40 | Caelum | petemc: install on the thinkpad's hd from a pc instead of floppies etc. if you want to install on it |
| 02:33.41 | SimonRaven | yeh, i noticed :) |
| 02:33.49 | Caelum | Guerin: *nod* saw that |
| 02:33.50 | Guerin | anyway, there are too many cooks here |
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| 02:34.13 | petemc | Caelum: oh, yeah - i have a 2.5" adaptor too, thats cheating tho |
| 02:34.30 | SimonRaven | and not enough broth |
| 02:34.51 | Arsion | well, it CAN boot from LAN, just not sure if it can boot off a pcmcia lan card and dont know how to go from that anyways |
| 02:35.14 | Caelum | doing bootp installs is a bit rough |
| 02:35.23 | petemc | Arsion: so, when you say "CAN" , you mean "might"? |
| 02:35.53 | Arsion | petemc: aye, can just means LAN is in the BIOS |
| 02:35.56 | petemc | pxe is a great way to install if your bios supports it |
| 02:36.09 | Caelum | I tried to put debian on a sparc classic using a bootp server on a debian pc...never quite got that to work :( |
| 02:36.09 | petemc | Arsion: so, theres your answer |
| 02:36.30 | SimonRaven | *finally* all done. sheesh, thankfully i don't have to do that too often |
| 02:36.37 | petemc | Caelum: i have a few sparcs, some alphas, its great |
| 02:36.41 | nvz | Arsion: when BIOS says it can boot from Lan, HDD, CD, Zip..etc that means provided that the BIOS can see these devices. that doesnt include devices not actually in the system |
| 02:36.53 | petemc | thats not px |
| 02:36.57 | petemc | e |
| 02:37.01 | petemc | obviously |
| 02:37.32 | Caelum | yeah, I don't think pcmcia nics have a boot bios |
| 02:37.53 | Arsion | nope, just checked, it doesnt light up during bootup |
| 02:38.09 | petemc | i meant openfirmware or srm dont use pxe.. |
| 02:38.16 | Arsion | i still dont understand why it can boot to usb floppy, but not usb cdrom |
| 02:38.33 | nvz | Arsion: do you have a floppy? |
| 02:38.43 | Arsion | nvz: not anymore |
| 02:38.54 | Caelum | petemc: it's too bad about the alpha dying, but I'm glad AMD acquired some of the tech. One of these days I'm going to build a dual ultra2 :) |
| 02:38.58 | nvz | Arsion: is this a laptop? |
| 02:39.17 | Arsion | nvz: but before it burned out, i was able to boot using it to install debian to begin with....yes |
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| 02:39.39 | Arsion | i guess i just try to figure out how to do chroot install |
| 02:39.48 | petemc | Caelum: http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/alpha.mov |
| 02:39.56 | nvz | Arsion: sounds to me like you cant do anything. you have no working tools |
| 02:40.12 | nvz | Arsion: if you could fetch and unpack software you have many options |
| 02:40.21 | Arsion | aye |
| 02:40.38 | Arsion | mount, cp, chroot seems to be my only options |
| 02:40.43 | albo | does it make sense that i only get 266GB out of my 300GB disk on ext3 ? |
| 02:40.58 | nvz | Arsion: chroot install only works if you can get something to chroot to. |
| 02:41.11 | Arsion | nvz: ? |
| 02:41.25 | Arsion | wget still works |
| 02:41.40 | nvz | Arsion: wget some static binaries then :P |
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| 02:41.52 | Arsion | hmmm |
| 02:42.09 | Arsion | where would i find a static tar? that would fix everything |
| 02:43.23 | SimonRaven | busybox tar |
| 02:43.42 | xzu | http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/tar/tar-1.15.1.tar.bz2 and build it staticly |
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| 02:44.17 | Arsion | busybox? |
| 02:44.23 | ke6isf | !busybox |
| 02:44.26 | xzu | http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/busybox |
| 02:44.27 | nvz | !info busybox-static |
| 02:44.29 | dpkg | busybox-static: (Standalone rescue shell with tons of builtin utilities), section shells, is extra. Version: 1:1.01-2 (sid), Packaged size: 661 kB, Installed size: 1292 kB |
| 02:44.45 | nvz | Arsion: are you able to use tar or dpkg or something? |
| 02:45.24 | SimonRaven | a shell, tar, gzip, and ar would help tonnes. actually, that's all you really need |
| 02:45.31 | Arsion | no |
| 02:45.35 | Arsion | tar and dpkg are out |
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| 02:46.04 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.09 | liable | about.. |
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| 02:47.05 | Arsion | ar works |
| 02:47.08 | sylvisj | What was the command I was supposed to use? Man something |
| 02:47.09 | nvz | I have a feeling Arsion is never going to run a system without statically linked tools for emergencies again :P he's been in here with a dead libc for like 14 hours it seems |
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| 02:47.34 | sylvisj | By the time debian loaded, I forgot what the rest of the command was. |
| 02:47.45 | lultravioet16 | hey everyone, to those of you who remember me.. hello again. So I just installed the nvidia drivers on my system and got it working.. now I want to enjoy it, what should I do? |
| 02:47.55 | Arsion | your right :) |
| 02:48.00 | ke6isf | lultravioet16: Well, what do you want to do? |
| 02:48.13 | lultravioet16 | um. see what my video card is capable of doing in linux |
| 02:48.18 | sylvisj | Xebian you here? |
| 02:48.29 | sylvisj | Err no, Xenguy? |
| 02:48.46 | ke6isf | sylvisj: Erm, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 02:49.02 | sylvisj | Xenguy told me to use a 'man xx xx' command. I only remember the man part of it. |
| 02:49.04 | nvz | so it seems you need someone to ar you busybox-static :P |
| 02:49.11 | ke6isf | lultravioet16: Can you be a little less specific? |
| 02:49.48 | ke6isf | sylvisj: Try 'man man' for starters. 'man foo', where 'foo' is a command, will usually provide you the man page for the command. |
| 02:49.48 | sylvisj | I know. |
| 02:49.51 | sylvisj | It had something to do with 5. |
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| 02:50.02 | sylvisj | Man = manual viewer, I've figured that out. |
| 02:50.17 | sylvisj | It just wants me to be real specific, and I don't remember what to be specific with. |
| 02:50.17 | ke6isf | sylvisj: Ah, OK. Then in that case, for instance, 'man 5 crontab' will pull the crontab man page from section 5. |
| 02:50.21 | Xenguy | sylvisj: back |
| 02:50.25 | nvz | sylvisj: no, man = an interface to the on-line reference manuals |
| 02:50.29 | sylvisj | YES! XENGUY! |
| 02:50.30 | sylvisj | Ahh. |
| 02:50.32 | Xenguy | sylvisj: man interfaces |
| 02:50.33 | nvz | sylvisj: man and Man are not the same thing |
| 02:50.46 | sylvisj | Was using capitalization.. had no clue. |
| 02:51.01 | lultravioet16 | ke6isf haha sorry |
| 02:51.02 | ke6isf | sylvisj: We are case sensitive here, unless I'm really tired. |
| 02:51.09 | MegaHambone | have you guys ever heard of a debian maching suddenly stop resolving ip addresses? |
| 02:51.19 | sylvisj | Ahh, alright. Thx xen, I'll try it. |
| 02:51.20 | lultravioet16 | well let's say.. in windows I used to play counter strike |
| 02:51.27 | MegaHambone | as if it forgot how to do dns lookups. |
| 02:51.30 | lultravioet16 | is there a game like that for linux? |
| 02:51.41 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:51.43 | nvz | MegaHambone: sure, when the resolv.conf or dns server listed there are fucked |
| 02:51.53 | MegaHambone | Xenguy: those are still fine. |
| 02:51.56 | doleyb | lultravioet16: Wolfenstein Enemy Territory |
| 02:51.58 | MegaHambone | isn't that a pickle? |
| 02:52.13 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: do you have a specific error message? |
| 02:52.16 | liable | mmmm, ham. |
| 02:52.20 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:52.21 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:52.24 | llama32 | is there a channel for complaining about ripoff computer salesmen? |
| 02:52.45 | abrotman | yeah .. 1800buydell |
| 02:52.47 | doleyb | lultravioet16: or quake3, or ut2k |
| 02:52.51 | nvz | llama32: use #accounting I am sure lilo will be happy to finally see someone in there |
| 02:52.55 | MegaHambone | nope, but when I try to ping something it says ping: unknown host google.ca but if I ping the ip address, it pings it fine. |
| 02:53.11 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: right, so DNS is hosed somehow |
| 02:53.15 | MegaHambone | indeed. |
| 02:53.27 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: try different nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:53.29 | MegaHambone | i've never heard of that. it worked fine until my last reboot. |
| 02:53.33 | MegaHambone | Xenguy: i've done that.. |
| 02:53.40 | acj | lultravioet16: you mean you are not enjoying just getting it working! for GL eyecandy you can check liberatedgames.org or install xscreensaver |
| 02:53.43 | lultravioet16 | doleyb are there free? |
| 02:53.49 | ke6isf | MegaHambone: What does 'dig a google.com +trace' do? |
| 02:53.51 | MegaHambone | i've tried numerous ones, i've even deleted the file and let it get re-generated.. |
| 02:54.01 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: check /etc/hosts to make sure you haven't overridden anything |
| 02:54.11 | doleyb | lultravioet16: wolf-et is totally free, ut2k and q3 have free demos or cost like $10 |
| 02:54.17 | lultravioet16 | are these free is what I meant to ask |
| 02:54.27 | lultravioet16 | ok cool, thanks |
| 02:54.28 | MegaHambone | ke6isf: connection times out error message. |
| 02:54.51 | ke6isf | MegaHambone: Your ISP's nameservers are putsched. Try another public server. |
| 02:55.08 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: substitute 'yahoo.ca' for 'google.com' ? |
| 02:55.19 | MegaHambone | ke6isf: can't be that, i'm using the same nameservers on this pc. |
| 02:55.34 | ke6isf | MegaHambone: =O.o= |
| 02:55.39 | MegaHambone | ping: unknown host yahoo.ca |
| 02:55.52 | MegaHambone | ya, this is totally a pickle. I've not ever heard of this. |
| 02:56.03 | ke6isf | MegaHambone: Did you dig the commands within the past few minutes on this box? Are they, indeed, running the same ns? |
| 02:56.34 | MegaHambone | still the same ns, and i just dig'd it now. |
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| 02:57.02 | ke6isf | MegaHambone: Try 'ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0' on the other system? |
| 02:57.05 | MegaHambone | I can even ping the nameservers. |
| 02:57.12 | MegaHambone | ke6isf: yep, did that 3 times.. |
| 02:57.15 | ke6isf | Or replace 'eth0' as appropraite... |
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| 02:57.27 | ke6isf | MegaHambone: What do your logs say? |
| 02:57.29 | grendal_prime | thats werid...i forgot about this problem |
| 02:57.30 | MegaHambone | deleted the resolv.conf and did it again. |
| 02:57.48 | mwilson | zooba zooba zooba |
| 02:57.54 | mwilson | I wish today were Friday... |
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| 02:57.58 | MegaHambone | where are dns logged stored, that's something I am not sure of. |
| 02:57.59 | Arsion | gah! |
| 02:58.03 | MegaHambone | *logs |
| 02:58.03 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: this is going to turn out to be a stupid syntax error or some such |
| 02:58.12 | Arsion | just when i thought everything would work out, a new problem occurs |
| 02:58.16 | MegaHambone | ya, but nothing has changed.. |
| 02:58.20 | Arsion | cant ifconfig eht0 up anymore |
| 02:58.41 | ke6isf | Arsion: Are you behind a router or fw? |
| 02:58.58 | grendal_prime | ok ati 128 radion agp 9200...everything should work via the dpkg-reconfigure..or configure of course...but for some reason you have to have vert and horizontal refresh rates in the xorg.conf or you only get 640X480 |
| 02:59.06 | Arsion | says: siocsifflags: device or resource is busy......behind router |
| 02:59.10 | MegaHambone | this system has worked fine for a year now, suddenly it just stopped after a reboot. |
| 02:59.53 | Arsion | and when its booted up, it kills IRQ 11 when trying to access the lan card |
| 03:00.38 | MegaHambone | where does resolv.h reside? |
| 03:00.42 | MegaHambone | I will make sure it's still there. |
| 03:00.50 | abrotman | !search |
| 03:00.50 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search terms> |
| 03:00.59 | abrotman | whatever resolv.h is |
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| 03:01.10 | MegaHambone | it's a header file. |
| 03:01.22 | MegaHambone | according to the man page for resolv.conf it's what runs the dns module. |
| 03:01.22 | abrotman | your header file made your system stop working? |
| 03:01.29 | mwilson | abrotman: He thinks a header file has something to do with whether his name resolution works or not. |
| 03:01.37 | abrotman | that's .. jsut .. fucking stupid |
| 03:02.03 | MegaHambone | abrotman: I'm sorry I wasn't born with a linux guide in my ass. Obviously it's pretty deep as well. |
| 03:02.25 | abrotman | MegaHambone: do you know what header files are? |
| 03:03.10 | ke6isf | abrotman: What's the score? |
| 03:03.25 | xtz | hi there... i just installed sarge, and i cant start DHCPD, i get this error : dhcpd: Address range 172.16.1.100 to 172.16.1.200 not on net 172.16.1.0/255.255.0.0! |
| 03:03.31 | xtz | what's wrong ? |
| 03:03.43 | mwilson | MegaHambone: I don't know where you get the idea from that man page that resolv.h "runs" anything. |
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| 03:03.50 | abrotman | ke6isf: 8-6 angels winning .. bases loaded .. no outs top of 7th |
| 03:04.04 | SerajewelKS | can anyone recommend a good doom/prboom public game server? |
| 03:04.16 | ke6isf | abrotman: Oh baby. =^^= |
| 03:04.47 | abrotman | mwilson: neither do i |
| 03:05.03 | abrotman | ke6isf: yeah .. it's nice considering the sox are out .. :( |
| 03:05.15 | ke6isf | abrotman: Which ones? Boston or Chicago? |
| 03:05.23 | abrotman | ke6isf: boston |
| 03:05.56 | MegaHambone | mwilson/abrotman - I misunderstood the man page. Okay, so sue me. I do know what a header file is, it was a matter of misinterpretation. |
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| 03:06.35 | abrotman | MegaHambone: do any outbound connections work? |
| 03:06.36 | sylvisj | Alright. I got myself to the /ect/network/ directory. |
| 03:06.40 | sylvisj | I see the interfaces file. |
| 03:06.46 | sylvisj | I have no clue what to do now. |
| 03:06.51 | abrotman | MegaHambone: like .. telnet mail.yahoo.com 25 ? |
| 03:06.54 | abrotman | err .. shit |
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| 03:07.06 | MegaHambone | abrotman: yup. I can ping ip addresses, I can even ping my name server. I can't ping host names. |
| 03:07.37 | abrotman | is it your dns server .. or your ISPs? |
| 03:07.38 | MegaHambone | telnet: could not resolve mail.yahoo.com/25 |
| 03:07.49 | abrotman | MegaHambone: i actually meant the IP .. but anyways |
| 03:07.58 | sylvisj | How do I open files? |
| 03:07.58 | paroneayea | I'm trying to recompile my wacom module with gcc 3.3 instead of gcc 4.0... is it possible to specify to dpkg-reconfigure which version of gcc to use? |
| 03:07.59 | MegaHambone | it is my isp's name server. |
| 03:08.04 | sylvisj | I can't figure out how to open the interfaces file. |
| 03:08.05 | beardy | < beardy> sylvisj: http://channels.debian.net/paste/865 Use that as |
| 03:08.06 | beardy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.06 | beardy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.07 | MegaHambone | and it's the same name server I am using here. |
| 03:08.09 | abrotman | MegaHambone: and if you query it directly ? |
| 03:08.18 | sylvisj | Beardy... I know not how to open files. |
| 03:08.19 | abrotman | MegaHambone: so it's just your debian box ? |
| 03:08.25 | MegaHambone | it's just the debian box. |
| 03:08.40 | abrotman | MegaHambone: did you check /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 03:09.11 | beardy | sylvisj: Use an editor, you probably have one called nano installed. First, to edit this file, you need to be root. |
| 03:09.12 | MegaHambone | No, I did not. |
| 03:09.27 | sylvisj | I know. Just 'nano interfaces' to edit it? |
| 03:09.36 | beardy | sylvisj: Yes. |
| 03:09.46 | xtz | dhcpd: Address range 172.16.1.100 to 172.16.1.200 not on net 172.16.1.0/255.255.0.0! .... What does this error means ? 172.16.1.100 is ont 172.16.1.0/16 ! |
| 03:09.51 | sylvisj | Alright. Thx. So much easier than dos once used to it. |
| 03:10.04 | sylvisj | Alright... so on that link you gave me, put it in the interfaces file, using my info? |
| 03:10.11 | abrotman | MegaHambone: please do |
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| 03:10.27 | ke6isf | abrotman: Are you pulling a video feed, or an audio feed? |
| 03:10.33 | MegaHambone | it's correct, as far as I can tell, and when compared to the man page default. |
| 03:10.50 | abrotman | ke6isf: ESPN! |
| 03:11.06 | beardy | sylvisj: You already have the loopback device? The first part in my paste? Copy the lines starting with # eth0, and to the bottom. Then replace the adress with yours. |
| 03:11.16 | ke6isf | abrotman: net feed is gonna cost me money I ain't got. =O.o= |
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| 03:11.18 | sylvisj | Alright. |
| 03:11.18 | abrotman | MegaHambone: firewall ? |
| 03:11.23 | MegaHambone | nope. |
| 03:11.25 | abrotman | ke6isf: sports.yahoo.com/mlb |
| 03:11.33 | sylvisj | Wtf is a loopback device...? |
| 03:11.37 | njan | no-one here happens to know how you connect two users up to one screen session (for demonstrations/tutorials/etc), do they? |
| 03:11.40 | MegaHambone | it's direct to the internet. |
| 03:11.50 | abrotman | MegaHambone: from the debian box .. can you telnet to port53 of the dns server? |
| 03:11.57 | beardy | sylvisj: It's the adress of your own machine. |
| 03:12.02 | sylvisj | Ahh. |
| 03:12.04 | sylvisj | My IP? |
| 03:12.05 | beardy | sylvisj: Internally/locally |
| 03:12.12 | abrotman | ke6isf: find it ? |
| 03:12.14 | sylvisj | Oh, alright, local IP. |
| 03:12.19 | beardy | sylvisj: No, every box has the same one. |
| 03:12.23 | sylvisj | I know. |
| 03:12.44 | sylvisj | It's like 127.0.0.1 or something. |
| 03:12.47 | sylvisj | I think. |
| 03:12.50 | njan | screen -rx <= aha! :) |
| 03:12.55 | sylvisj | Might be hosts there... |
| 03:13.02 | MegaHambone | woah.. |
| 03:13.09 | abrotman | woah ? |
| 03:13.17 | abrotman | oh .. let me in on the secret! |
| 03:13.22 | abrotman | is beardy really a toaster?!?! |
| 03:13.26 | sylvisj | Ok... gonna try this. |
| 03:13.34 | beardy | A toaster? |
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| 03:13.49 | abrotman | toaster oven ? |
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| 03:14.08 | MegaHambone | abrotman - it's hanging, so I tried to ping it and now it tells me ping: sendto: Operation not permitted |
| 03:14.34 | abrotman | MegaHambone: when you od the telnet .. what's the last line ? |
| 03:14.34 | beardy | abrotman: I don't follow you..? |
| 03:14.35 | ke6isf | abrotman: No dice. KSPN is the local ESPN radio feed out here, but no online link for 'em. |
| 03:14.45 | abrotman | bah .. it's gonna fucking rain .. forever |
| 03:14.50 | abrotman | beardy: it was .. a joke |
| 03:15.11 | abrotman | ke6isf: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=251007110 |
| 03:15.17 | MegaHambone | nothing, it just sits there at the "Trying x.x.x.x..." |
| 03:15.24 | beardy | abrotman: I thought so, but I didn't get it.. :) |
| 03:15.26 | MegaHambone | x.x.x.x being a valid nameserver. |
| 03:15.34 | abrotman | MegaHambone: guess what .. |
| 03:15.35 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:15.40 | MegaHambone | what? |
| 03:15.44 | abrotman | either there's a firewall .. or your machine has no more tcp stack :) |
| 03:16.04 | MegaHambone | how would I suddenly have no more tcp stack? |
| 03:16.07 | abrotman | http://image.weather.com/web/radar/us_har_closeradar_large_usen.jpg |
| 03:16.13 | abrotman | GOD .. NOAH SAVE ME |
| 03:16.14 | timgoh0 | MegaHambone: Try restarting networking. |
| 03:16.17 | MegaHambone | firewall is totally not an issue. |
| 03:16.24 | MegaHambone | timgoh0: did that already. |
| 03:16.40 | abrotman | MegaHambone: you can't connect ot your dns server on port 53 |
| 03:16.43 | ke6isf | Hmm, wonder if I can get it on this old boom box at my feet. |
| 03:16.47 | abrotman | MegaHambone: can you connect to ANY dns server? |
| 03:17.04 | MegaHambone | give me a sec.. |
| 03:17.07 | Arsion | question, when I ar -x the libc6 deb, it gives me control and data tar files, is this where all the files are located? |
| 03:17.14 | MegaHambone | nope. |
| 03:17.20 | MegaHambone | hanging the same way. |
| 03:17.29 | timgoh0 | MegaHambone: Currrently can you reach your default gateway? |
| 03:17.39 | abrotman | MegaHambone: ie .. $ nslookup www.yahoo.com 207.69.188.196 |
| 03:17.44 | timgoh0 | MegaHambone: Via ping or something. |
| 03:18.18 | beardy | oh, he quit, I thought my tab needed some oil.. |
| 03:18.18 | abrotman | yay earthlink |
| 03:18.24 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:18.27 | MegaHambone | abrotman: it hangs. |
| 03:18.29 | timgoh0 | abrotman: "it just sits there at the "Trying x.x.x.x..." is A Bad Thing. Let's check for basic connectivity first. |
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| 03:18.44 | timgoh0 | MegaHambone: Does pinging your local gateway work? |
| 03:18.48 | MegaHambone | timgoh0: i used to be able to ping resolved addresses, now it seems I don't have that anymore either. |
| 03:18.52 | abrotman | timgoh0: he said he could ping other stuff |
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| 03:19.01 | abrotman | MegaHambone: your NIC is melting!!!! |
| 03:19.06 | timgoh0 | abrotman: Heh. |
| 03:19.21 | timgoh0 | abrotman: There really should be an eth0 is on fire message. |
| 03:19.23 | germangardener10 | beardy: thanks |
| 03:19.29 | MegaHambone | lol. |
| 03:19.36 | Arsion | lol |
| 03:19.39 | abrotman | timgoh0: with a bonus of actually being able to ignite cat5 :) |
| 03:19.54 | MegaHambone | eth1 on my box, but, ya. |
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| 03:19.58 | ke6isf | Ah, good old AM radio with some interference from the computers. =^^= |
| 03:20.06 | timgoh0 | abrotman: cat5 doesn't ignite easily. First hand experience. :) |
| 03:20.16 | MegaHambone | eth0 goes to my internal network. This is the gateway I run in my home. |
| 03:20.22 | abrotman | timgoh0: stop trying to light plenum |
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| 03:20.36 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: maybe it is a hardware issue? |
| 03:20.37 | Snadder | anyone in here is goon on openvpn error msg?.. |
| 03:20.40 | abrotman | timgoh0: there's a reason it's required by some building codes |
| 03:20.49 | Snadder | Cannot load certificate file client.crt: error:02001002:system library:fopen:No such file or directory: error:20074002:BIO routines:FILE_CTRL:system lib: error:140AD002:SSL routines:SSL_CTX_use_certificate_file:system lib |
| 03:21.00 | MegaHambone | Hardware issue doesn't seem possible. |
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| 03:21.15 | timgoh0 | abrotman: Who said anything about plenum. Or trying. Someone ran a length of cat5 past a soldering iron. A 40W one. |
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| 03:21.25 | abrotman | timgoh0: and? |
| 03:21.29 | beardy | germangardener10: no problem, is it working now? |
| 03:21.29 | timgoh0 | abrotman: I was wondering why my link was flapping. |
| 03:21.37 | abrotman | MegaHambone: you can't ping your gateway anymore ? |
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| 03:22.16 | MegaHambone | nope. any ping gives me a ping: sendto: Operation not permitted issue |
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| 03:22.30 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:22.35 | germangardener10 | beardy: i got something to work form scvi |
| 03:22.38 | MegaHambone | man, all I did was shut the machine down. poor thing. |
| 03:22.39 | abrotman | whoops .. sorry .. not funny |
| 03:22.39 | curt | schlechtprint |
| 03:22.42 | abrotman | !hurt me |
| 03:22.43 | ke6isf | abrotman: You think the weather's gonna break back there in time for tomorrow's game? |
| 03:22.55 | abrotman | ke6isf: probably |
| 03:22.57 | MegaHambone | abrotman: any ideas what it could be? |
| 03:22.57 | germangardener10 | the sound is a little whack. i just need to adjust my audio |
| 03:23.09 | timgoh0 | MegaHambone: Sounds like the stack melted. |
| 03:23.13 | abrotman | MegaHambone: toasted NIC .. bum driver ? |
| 03:23.22 | ke6isf | K! |
| 03:23.25 | abrotman | ke6isf: ask weather.yahoo.com |
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| 03:23.41 | abrotman | ke6isf: my forecast is 5 days of rain |
| 03:23.54 | MegaHambone | I'm pretty much doubting hardware issue, personally. |
| 03:24.04 | abrotman | ok .. so restart networking again |
| 03:24.07 | abrotman | or the whole machine |
| 03:24.27 | MegaHambone | Alright.. well, i'll be back in a bit then. |
| 03:24.39 | germangardener10 | i downloaded a url sniffer to find the actual urls from the javas and all kinds of junk, hopefully it will work. |
| 03:24.58 | myren | how do i delete a rule from iptables? |
| 03:24.59 | abrotman | Xenguy: but you're german |
| 03:25.03 | timgoh0 | myren: |
| 03:25.09 | timgoh0 | myren: iptables -D |
| 03:25.18 | Xenguy | abrotman: ya vole, herr commandant |
| 03:25.22 | abrotman | your i key is near your enter key ? |
| 03:25.23 | ke6isf | feh, looks like the game's gonna be called tomorrow. |
| 03:25.24 | Xenguy | j/k :P |
| 03:25.52 | abrotman | ke6isf: doubt it |
| 03:26.00 | timgoh0 | abrotman: No. My hand twitched. |
| 03:26.02 | Xenguy | myren: apt-get install shorewall ;-) |
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| 03:26.15 | abrotman | ke6isf: if angels win tonight . and yanks would win game 4 .. there's no real room for game5 |
| 03:26.19 | timgoh0 | abrotman: Pain in the wrist getting worse. |
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| 03:26.36 | abrotman | timgoh0: you know what that means .. no more baywatch for you! |
| 03:26.39 | timgoh0 | abrotman: And don't get any funny ideas. |
| 03:26.47 | timgoh0 | Damn. Too late. |
| 03:26.47 | Xenguy | too late |
| 03:26.49 | Gentoo_basic | Bye |
| 03:26.54 | Gentoo_basic | I gone to sleep. |
| 03:26.56 | abrotman | !bye |
| 03:26.57 | dpkg | Cya, abrotman |
| 03:27.00 | abrotman | not me! |
| 03:27.03 | Xenguy | Gentoo_basic: stop snoring |
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| 03:27.29 | timgoh0 | abrotman: We don't get "baywatch" here. |
| 03:27.32 | Ronin | that works too |
| 03:27.35 | Xenguy | dpkg -i pkg |
| 03:27.37 | MegaHambone | hmm. |
| 03:27.38 | Xenguy | Gentoo_basic: stop snoring |
| 03:27.53 | Xenguy | OK I give up |
| 03:27.56 | _SerhaT_ | hmm is there a tool similar to wlanassistant to manage wireless networks? I want to use it in fluxbox.. |
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| 03:28.05 | abrotman | timgoh0: oh that's right . you only get mr rogers neighborhood |
| 03:28.13 | abrotman | iwconfig ? |
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| 03:28.20 | timgoh0 | abrotman: Don't get that either. Shittier programming here. |
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| 03:28.32 | timgoh0 | Fscking homebrew shows that make utterly no sense. |
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| 03:29.18 | timgoh0 | Mixed with the ocassional, "Oh, we are showing this because it won award x." |
| 03:29.19 | abrotman | ke6isf: jjazz might be at the game |
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| 03:29.28 | abrotman | or he's at least .. in front of a tv :) |
| 03:29.45 | ke6isf | abrotman: Man, if he's there, ne needs to be wirelessing in! =^_^= |
| 03:29.50 | _SerhaT_ | abrotman: some GUI or something.. I am not the only one to use it.. and the others are just normal 'users' |
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| 03:29.57 | abrotman | ke6isf: no .. he needs to NOT be |
| 03:30.07 | abrotman | _SerhaT_: oh .. for what desktop ? |
| 03:30.09 | ke6isf | abrotman: heh =^^= |
| 03:30.17 | _SerhaT_ | laptop.. |
| 03:30.31 | abrotman | no |
| 03:30.48 | abrotman | kde gnome xfce blackbox windows icewm olwm etc |
| 03:31.05 | _SerhaT_ | I got fluxbox atm.. |
| 03:31.22 | mwilson | abrotman: Don't give him the idea that the window manager is somehow relevant. |
| 03:31.50 | abrotman | mwilson: well .. no . .but i try to be nice when recommending something .. ie .. pick qt crap for kde users and gtk for gnome people |
| 03:32.26 | _SerhaT_ | hah... what I meant was.. an tool to manage wireless networks.. like iwconfig.. but should use GUI instead of console so others can use it easily also |
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| 03:32.38 | abrotman | apt-cache search wireless ... |
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| 03:33.17 | beardy | "others" can learn too |
| 03:33.18 | MegaHambone | hmmm. new issue. |
| 03:33.30 | factor | does 2.6.12 kernels have any specuial option I need to enable for the udev package or it should just work with it? |
| 03:33.40 | mwilson | _SerhaT_: Just because something is a GUI doesn't automatically make it easy to use. |
| 03:33.41 | nvz | man I wasn't tired but after reading this boring Bush biography I am |
| 03:33.46 | abrotman | i'm not sure why so many people have to configure it |
| 03:33.52 | mwilson | factor: Why are you building your own kernel? |
| 03:34.00 | abrotman | nvz: what .. kill,lie,cheat, rinse, repeat ? |
| 03:34.01 | factor | nivida |
| 03:34.11 | MegaHambone | ever since I've rebooted, I get a whole bunch of IN= OUT=eth1 SRC=local ip DST=nameserver, etc, etc. |
| 03:34.12 | mwilson | factor: What does that have to do with anything? |
| 03:34.18 | nvz | abrotman: something like that |
| 03:34.22 | _SerhaT_ | mwilson: I know.. but I am 100% they won't even try the GUI.. they're happy they can use firefox+MSN :| |
| 03:34.25 | abrotman | MegaHambone: get what where ? |
| 03:34.32 | factor | I have to have the source code of the kernel I build to compilethe nvidea drivers. |
| 03:34.34 | Xenguy | abrotman: go easy on Bush - he thinks God is talking to him :P |
| 03:34.42 | factor | Xenguy:heh |
| 03:34.47 | abrotman | Xenguy: he thinks he is god |
| 03:34.49 | albo | i physically installed a new drive. how can i tell grub to boot off it |
| 03:34.50 | MegaHambone | abrotman: lines like that just dump directly to my screen. |
| 03:34.50 | mwilson | To compile what nVidia drivers? |
| 03:35.02 | Xenguy | factor: that's what BBC is reporting - it's absolutely surreal |
| 03:35.21 | abrotman | MegaHambone: that's it ? |
| 03:35.35 | abrotman | i think your hardware is pooched |
| 03:35.45 | factor | mwilson:the nvida driver fromm tne nvidea web site. |
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| 03:35.49 | cddesjar | bush is fuck |
| 03:35.52 | abrotman | MegaHambone: or your route |
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| 03:36.00 | mwilson | factor: What leads you to believe you need to build your own kernel? |
| 03:36.02 | timgoh0 | factor: What you want is kernel-headers appropriate to your current kernel and arch. |
| 03:36.03 | factor | you cant get them from the debian srchive. |
| 03:36.03 | nvz | I am talking about Prescott Bush. GWB or GHWB I havent gotten into that yet. GHWB is only 18 or so as far as I've read |
| 03:36.21 | albo | i physically installed a new drive. and copying all data over to it. how can i tell grub to boot off it |
| 03:36.24 | factor | mwilson:I cant seems to get the kernel nvidea thing right . |
| 03:36.34 | timgoh0 | factor: Yes you can. apt-cache search kernel-headers-$SOMEVERSION |
| 03:36.47 | timgoh0 | factor: You can get $SOMEVERSION from uname -r |
| 03:36.51 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: "shows remarkable talent for mimicking the plausible" :-) |
| 03:36.59 | mwilson | factor: Even if you were right (you're not), what does that have to do with building a kernel? |
| 03:37.00 | MegaHambone | abrotman: if it ping it from my other box, I get IN=eth1 OUT= MAC= SRC=this ip DST=that ip LEN=48 TOS=0x00 |
| 03:37.12 | nvz | I've been reading mostly about Samuel P. Bush and Prescott Bush. its boring as hell. but same story as GHWB and GWB it seems |
| 03:37.14 | MegaHambone | if I ping, rather. |
| 03:37.16 | MegaHambone | weird. |
| 03:37.44 | abrotman | MegaHambone: your computer hates you |
| 03:37.49 | nvz | I need to go to the Library tomorrow and pay them their damn $0.20 and get some interesting stuff to read. |
| 03:37.52 | MegaHambone | i seriously doubt it's hardware, because it still "sees" outgoing packets and for some reason is now dumping them right to the screen. |
| 03:37.59 | MegaHambone | and incoming. |
| 03:38.06 | mwilson | factor: Assuming you were silly enough to use nVidia's installer, where in their instructions does it say that you need to build your own kernel? |
| 03:38.09 | factor | just so I can confgure ay stuff for one thing, but to go back to my earlier stament. does udev need any specail configs to work with debian unstable? |
| 03:38.23 | mwilson | Oh, and he's an unstable user, too. |
| 03:38.27 | timgoh0 | MegaHambone: Or it has tasted freedom and doesn't want to go back to routing packets. :) |
| 03:38.33 | MegaHambone | is there a way to "reinstall" the networking aspect of debian? |
| 03:38.48 | MegaHambone | lol. |
| 03:38.50 | MegaHambone | freedom. |
| 03:38.51 | timgoh0 | MegaHambone: Try booting off a liveCD of sorts to see if it's REALLY a hardware issue. |
| 03:38.51 | MegaHambone | I like that. |
| 03:39.04 | MegaHambone | timgoh0: I like that idea.. sounds good. |
| 03:39.46 | MegaHambone | Perhaps it's just met it's life cycle. |
| 03:39.55 | factor | not to mention you can make a debian kernel package with the source now days anyway. |
| 03:40.03 | MegaHambone | I mean, this box started with potato. |
| 03:40.35 | albo | i physically installed a new drive. and copying all data over to it. how can i tell grub to boot off it |
| 03:40.38 | albo | anyone? |
| 03:41.12 | liable | !tell albo about hard drive upgrade |
| 03:41.35 | abrotman | !tell liable about liable |
| 03:41.41 | abrotman | you are an unknown! |
| 03:41.46 | liable | good :) |
| 03:42.08 | abrotman | not like me |
| 03:42.10 | abrotman | !abrotman |
| 03:42.10 | dpkg | well, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
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| 03:42.15 | abrotman | *sniff* |
| 03:42.19 | liable | haha |
| 03:42.21 | otomoto | Hello |
| 03:42.31 | otomoto | I am having problems with CDs and DVDs |
| 03:42.31 | abrotman | shit .. otomoto found this channel |
| 03:42.34 | abrotman | everyone hide! |
| 03:42.37 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: a logical next step I say |
| 03:42.54 | abrotman | otomoto: when .. using what app ? |
| 03:43.02 | MegaHambone | Xenguy: i'm not entirely convinced it's hardware, but I am convinced this may be the time to reinstall debian. |
| 03:43.06 | MegaHambone | we'll see in a few mins. |
| 03:43.13 | otomoto | actually when I put a cd the system is not detetceting ti |
| 03:43.28 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: after watching all the comments, I don't believe anything anymore ;-) |
| 03:43.28 | otomoto | by the way, thx for the welcom abrotman |
| 03:43.41 | abrotman | otomoto: what is it supposed to do with it ? |
| 03:43.42 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: anyway, good luck |
| 03:43.43 | MegaHambone | Xenguy: trust me, i'd like it to just work again. |
| 03:43.57 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: heh, I believe that |
| 03:43.57 | otomoto | Actually I had to format the system |
| 03:44.05 | abrotman | and? |
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| 03:44.16 | otomoto | before the format the disks wer automaticly detetcetd |
| 03:44.21 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 03:44.22 | otomoto | after the format they are not |
| 03:44.26 | abrotman | uhm .. kde? |
| 03:44.29 | MegaHambone | with crossed fingers. |
| 03:44.36 | otomoto | I am wondering if there is a driver that I should install |
| 03:44.46 | abrotman | !bless MegaHambone |
| 03:44.47 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child MegaHambone, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 03:45.02 | Xenguy | Awomen |
| 03:45.24 | ke6isf | Pies Jesu domine. *WHUMP* Dona eis requiem. *WHUMP* |
| 03:45.28 | otomoto | what do you think |
| 03:45.29 | otomoto | ?? |
| 03:45.33 | Xenguy | heh |
| 03:45.34 | abrotman | kde? |
| 03:45.43 | MegaHambone | crap. New card, same issue. it didn't even make it through the boot process, the minute it brings up eth1, it starts echoing those messages to my screen. |
| 03:45.46 | ke6isf | otomoto: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 03:45.55 | otomoto | sarge |
| 03:46.00 | abrotman | MegaHambone: maybe your cable is bad ? |
| 03:46.14 | MegaHambone | Tried that too. |
| 03:46.17 | ke6isf | otomoto: You are in the install process? |
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| 03:46.19 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: this is the ultimate troll, isn't it? Admit it damn you! ;-) |
| 03:46.20 | abrotman | MegaHambone: you know .. you could just try a liveCD to see if ti's debian or not |
| 03:46.21 | otomoto | no |
| 03:46.22 | peterS | otomoto: the system probably "detects" the CD but what application were you running that automatically does something? was this under GNOME, for example, or under KDE, or in some other situation? |
| 03:46.26 | otomoto | I am running it |
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| 03:46.32 | ke6isf | otomoto: OK, how did you format the disks? |
| 03:46.34 | Xenguy | aha |
| 03:46.40 | abrotman | i haven't tried 'it' .. any good ? |
| 03:46.58 | MegaHambone | ya, i was looking to discount hardware in the meantime while i'm waiting for a livecd to download on one of my other pcs. |
| 03:47.09 | ke6isf | abrotman: It was an interesting book by Stephen King. |
| 03:47.12 | otomoto | I was on gnome |
| 03:47.13 | abrotman | it hink that's where this problem started .. discount hardware |
| 03:47.25 | MegaHambone | lol. |
| 03:47.26 | otomoto | and nothing runs |
| 03:47.28 | abrotman | ke6isf: i'm not a King fan |
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| 03:47.37 | otomoto | no applications were suppposed to run |
| 03:47.37 | peterS | ke6isf: is It? I haven't read It but It didn't sound all that interesting last time I looked at It |
| 03:47.39 | ke6isf | abrotman: Well then... |
| 03:47.40 | MegaHambone | looking to rule out hardware.. |
| 03:47.43 | MegaHambone | is that better? |
| 03:47.45 | otomoto | only it had o automount |
| 03:47.51 | ke6isf | peterS: A slow moving book, It was. |
| 03:47.59 | abrotman | ke6isf: sad .. but i just never got into them |
| 03:48.11 | ke6isf | abrotman: Hey, no biggie. |
| 03:48.23 | abrotman | but i love Thinner(as a movie) |
| 03:48.26 | peterS | abrotman: he's pretty pulp, you don't have to feel bad about not liking him (: |
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| 03:48.48 | peterS | ke6isf: his best that I've read is Desperation - it edges out The Stand |
| 03:48.49 | abrotman | peterS: he's from Maine .. used to teach in the same school district my mom does .. shouoldn't i feel bad ? |
| 03:48.51 | ke6isf | abrotman: Some of his earlier stuff was good, but he seems better in a production role for his movies based on the earlier stuff. |
| 03:48.54 | Napoleon | Hi, how can I find the size of a life? |
| 03:49.00 | peterS | abrotman: oh. maybe. |
| 03:49.00 | abrotman | ls -l |
| 03:49.06 | abrotman | err ls -l life |
| 03:49.14 | Xenguy | Napoleon: that's a big question |
| 03:49.18 | ke6isf | otomoto: Do you mean to tell me that you formatted a mounted volume? |
| 03:49.20 | MegaHambone | lol. |
| 03:49.29 | liable | where the hell is bluetooth support in the kernel, i cant seem to find it. |
| 03:49.30 | otomoto | no no |
| 03:49.37 | Napoleon | And that's in bits or bytes? |
| 03:49.38 | otomoto | I installed a new Debian (sarge) |
| 03:49.50 | abrotman | Napoleon: bytes .. obviously .. yeesh |
| 03:49.51 | otomoto | and the OS is not autommounting to the CDs |
| 03:49.55 | timgoh0 | liable: I think it's under networking. |
| 03:50.18 | liable | timgoh0: hrm, looked there, will have another one, cheers. |
| 03:50.44 | abrotman | net/bluetooth |
| 03:50.46 | liable | derr, it was *right there* staring at me... |
| 03:50.48 | Nurbs | stat %s life :o) |
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| 03:50.55 | ke6isf | otomoto: OK, as I understand it, you have installed a new system, and formatted new disks, and can't find them now, right? |
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| 03:51.21 | otomoto | are you making fun of me |
| 03:51.21 | Xenguy | Look in the oven |
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| 03:51.28 | otomoto | no |
| 03:51.28 | abrotman | it's gnome-volume-manager that isn't working .. but i CBA to make mine work .. so i'm no good :) |
| 03:51.33 | otomoto | the system |
| 03:51.33 | ke6isf | otomoto: No, I'm trying to assess the situation. |
| 03:51.52 | otomoto | the OS is not detecting any CD |
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| 03:51.54 | otomoto | Ok? |
| 03:51.57 | otomoto | put a movie |
| 03:51.59 | otomoto | NOTHIN |
| 03:52.07 | mattfury | otomoto: you mean the BIOS? |
| 03:52.07 | otomoto | put a DVD, also notin |
| 03:52.10 | nvz | I wonder if I can get rosegarden or something to play music I write. I've made quite a few licks on the guitar I'd like to turn into a song but its a lot of work playing things over and over in different arrangements until it sounds good. would be easier to figure out what I like on the guitar and write it, then be able to hear it over and over again in any order |
| 03:52.10 | liable | hmm, i think i disabled it in bios.. brb. |
| 03:52.11 | timgoh0 | otomoto: Can you manually mount the CD? |
| 03:52.13 | ke6isf | otomoto: Then you have to mount the disk. |
| 03:52.21 | abrotman | nvz: there is a program that does it |
| 03:52.38 | abrotman | nvz: there was a great article on newsforge a few months ago about musician programs |
| 03:52.40 | Xenguy | nvz: wow, that's, er, zany :-) |
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| 03:53.03 | roler | is there a font for gnome-terminal that I can use that displays the high ascii characters correclty? Or is there some other way to do it? |
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| 03:53.14 | abrotman | MegaHambone: hardware sucks! |
| 03:53.15 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: did you try the live CD, you troll ;-) |
| 03:53.16 | MegaHambone | it works now. |
| 03:53.20 | abrotman | MegaHambone: que? |
| 03:53.24 | MegaHambone | i know. |
| 03:53.28 | en1gma | anyone know the name of the file pppsetup creates |
| 03:53.32 | timgoh0 | MegaHambone: After a reboot? |
| 03:53.33 | MegaHambone | i restarted networking 2 more times. |
| 03:53.38 | en1gma | i need to manually edit it |
| 03:53.47 | en1gma | and cant find it |
| 03:53.49 | MegaHambone | deleted resolv.conf and restarted networking |
| 03:53.59 | nvz | I was just plaing a standard dchord different ways picking with all my fingers then I build a scale of notes from there and I pretty much know what I want to play I just am not sure how I want to progress through the scale yet. |
| 03:54.08 | abrotman | nvz: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/08/04/2014227&tid=75 |
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| 03:54.18 | MegaHambone | screw it. it HAS to be hardware to be this intermittant. |
| 03:54.30 | timgoh0 | MegaHambone: It went flakey again? |
| 03:54.32 | abrotman | nvz: mention interesting apps |
| 03:54.33 | peterS | roler: "high ascii" is meaningless |
| 03:54.36 | MegaHambone | it works perfectly. |
| 03:54.46 | abrotman | maybe file was corrupt |
| 03:54.49 | MegaHambone | so i'm not touching it, sneezing, smiling coughing. |
| 03:54.56 | roler | peterS, why? |
| 03:55.02 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: never reboot again ;-) |
| 03:55.04 | roler | peterS, maybe I have a purpose for it |
| 03:55.06 | en1gma | whats the name of the file pppsetup crteates |
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| 03:55.21 | peterS | roler: ASCII is 7-bit only. there are many encodings for various non-ASCII characters. you didn't say which one. |
| 03:55.22 | nvz | for the first time I am actually playing my own material I think its about time I started writing some songs cause I have long since grown tired of learning other peoples music and I am running out of things to play |
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| 03:55.47 | abrotman | nvz: i have recorded stuff .. that i no longer remember how to play :) |
| 03:55.49 | en1gma | what file does pppd get its settings from |
| 03:55.50 | timgoh0 | MegaHambone: Try a sacrifice to Xerox. May help. |
| 03:55.51 | MegaHambone | it's nothing i didn't do a few hours ago. |
| 03:55.58 | MegaHambone | that's what baffles me. |
| 03:55.59 | roler | peterS, thank you for the clarification... I need one of them. I don't know which is available. |
| 03:56.07 | MegaHambone | I followed all these steps 3 hours ago, nothing. |
| 03:56.12 | peterS | roler: according to 'iconv -l' there are 961 known character encodings. many of these are duplicates so we'll say there are just a few hundred |
| 03:56.16 | MegaHambone | now I do it, and then I do it again, and again and it works. |
| 03:56.18 | timgoh0 | MegaHambone: You made a sacrifice to DIX? |
| 03:56.18 | nvz | abrotman: heh. see I dont want that. I want to write it out preferably in tab form and be able to play it and rearrange it |
| 03:56.24 | peterS | roler: you are probably using either ISO-8859-1 or ISO-8859-15 or UTF-8 |
| 03:56.50 | MegaHambone | the real inventer of the home pc and windows. |
| 03:56.56 | abrotman | nvz: it'd be really cool if there were a file format where you could have a "header" with the tab/sheet music before the music part ofit |
| 03:57.11 | roler | peterS, Ya I remember those from the kernel... how do I change it? |
| 03:57.12 | timgoh0 | MegaHambone: Thank goodness there are no people with loyalties to Apple here. |
| 03:57.13 | abrotman | who was saying the other day that they worked at PARC ? |
| 03:57.19 | abrotman | maybe it was cureless |
| 03:57.27 | peterS | roler: you can find out which by typing 'locale | grep CTYPE' - it'll say something like en_US.iso885915 (that's mine, I use iso-8859-15) |
| 03:57.49 | MegaHambone | timgoh0: Apple and M$ both robbed PARC blind. One just used a more popular platform with clonable rom bios chips. |
| 03:57.50 | MegaHambone | LOL. |
| 03:58.07 | MegaHambone | clone-able? |
| 03:58.07 | timgoh0 | MegaHambone: That was the potential start of a troll anywhere else. |
| 03:58.14 | peterS | roler: anyway... you just have to find a font that supports your encoding. pretty much all the standard ones should support western European characters, such as you find in iso-8859-1 and iso-8859-15. |
| 03:58.24 | roler | peterS, it says POSIX |
| 03:58.24 | MegaHambone | ah well, since it works, i'm going to bed. |
| 03:58.37 | nvz | abrotman: I can read and write sheet music and even play it on a Piano or Brass instrument learned that playing concert band in school. but I am way out of practice and its harder to understand how that applies to a guitar which has the notes in a strange order and can be randomly retuned. its easier to work with tablature on a guitar |
| 03:58.39 | peterS | roler: then you have *no* non-ascii characters. you'll want to 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to pick a different default |
| 03:58.47 | Xenguy | MegaHambone: careful not to sneeze on the way =) |
| 03:58.52 | try_catch_this | If I have a modem that can connect to my computer via both usb and ethernet which is faster - the usb or ethernet - or are they equal? |
| 03:58.55 | roler | peterS, thank you very much! |
| 03:58.59 | abrotman | nvz: how are they in a strange order? |
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| 03:59.23 | cheal | what does "- fixes all over (alsa, archs, ide, input, ntfs, scsi, swsusp, usb, ..)" mean in linux-2.6's 2.6.13-1 changelog entry? |
| 03:59.33 | timgoh0 | try_catch_this: Use the ethernet port. USB eats CPU cycles. |
| 03:59.38 | cheal | dpkg: no, 2.6.13 is in experimental |
| 03:59.39 | dpkg | okay, cheal |
| 03:59.43 | peterS | cheal: if the fixes are unspecified they are likely to be just small bug fixes |
| 03:59.46 | nvz | abrotman: its just confusing being laid out on six strings. |
| 03:59.49 | timgoh0 | try_catch_this: And no nasty drivers to fiddle with. |
| 03:59.55 | abrotman | nvz: like .. Piano music? :) |
| 04:00.09 | Nurbs | !2.6.13 |
| 04:00.09 | dpkg | it has been said that 2.6.13 is in experimental |
| 04:00.13 | cheal | peterS: hum, well, what does "all over" mean? |
| 04:00.13 | Nurbs | hmm |
| 04:00.21 | peterS | cheal: "everywhere" |
| 04:00.41 | nvz | abrotman: on the piano the notes are all in order alphabetically and octaves are right side by side and the sharps/flats are even colored |
| 04:00.57 | abrotman | nvz: you read funny piano music |
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| 04:01.05 | cheal | peterS: ah, ok, I understand now! sorry, I wasn't thinking of that expression |
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| 04:01.19 | abrotman | and i'm still not sure how that makes guitar music weird |
| 04:01.20 | roler | peterS, ; ok it said it installed it. or generated that is. Now do I reboot or re-log into X? |
| 04:01.35 | nvz | abrotman: I can strike any given chord on a piano and I've never played one really or had lessons. I've been playing the guitar for like 3 years straigh and still can only finger a few chords without giving it a great deal of thought and counting frets |
| 04:01.37 | peterS | roler: re-login |
| 04:01.54 | peterS | roler: you picked a 'default' locale other than POSIX, then? |
| 04:02.01 | abrotman | nvz: really? .. you need more practice |
| 04:02.04 | Xenguy | nvz: your intuition likes keyboards better :-) |
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| 04:02.22 | timgoh0 | Right. Off i go for second breakfast. Or lunch. Hell, let's just call it a "meal" and be done with it. |
| 04:02.23 | Xenguy | nvz: but you knew that already |
| 04:02.26 | nvz | Xenguy: its easier to understand music theory when everything is right there in a straigh row |
| 04:02.55 | roler | peterS, ; yes it brought me to a list and I selected the only ISO8859-15 that I saw... It said like en@euro ISO8859-15 then the next screen said which one do you want to use, and I selected that one |
| 04:03.01 | Xenguy | nvz: I agree, I feel the same way (learned piano first, then tried guitar and still working on barr chords ;-) |
| 04:03.10 | peterS | roler: yeah that's a safe choice |
| 04:03.24 | peterS | roler: unless you'd rather have all your software talk to you in, say, Italian |
| 04:03.24 | roler | ok brb |
| 04:03.24 | albo | anyone ever booted off a new drive with grub ? |
| 04:03.26 | nvz | you can play things on a piano that is not possible on a guitar because you can strike notes with both hands and have a greater stretch between notes |
| 04:03.26 | abrotman | nvz: you need more practice :) |
| 04:03.30 | roler | hehe |
| 04:03.33 | roler | brb |
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| 04:03.44 | abrotman | nvz: right .. and there are things on guitar that are easier |
| 04:03.48 | ke6isf | nvz: Never mind that you can't really get a good 13th chord on six strings. |
| 04:04.09 | abrotman | ke6isf: hehe .. you can try though! |
| 04:04.21 | ke6isf | abrotman: It requires a 12-string and four hands. |
| 04:04.24 | peterS | ke6isf: a 13th chord? whoever talks about 13th chords? |
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| 04:04.35 | Xenguy | nvz: a lot of it is just practice too - I've played chords/scales/arpeggios so many times that it is easy to not sound too bad when I hit the keyboard, whereas guitar is hardly decoded at all yet |
| 04:04.37 | abrotman | ke6isf: it doesn't require 12 strings .. |
| 04:04.38 | ke6isf | peterS: Well, us, obviously. =^^= |
| 04:04.52 | ke6isf | abrotman: True enough. |
| 04:05.08 | roler | peterS, it works! Thanks man!! I had this nice little ascii character selected in my newly configured .vimrc to show white space at the end of a line... And I was sad it only showed it in the windows putty. Thanks again :) |
| 04:05.10 | liable | albo: just chroot into it and install it, if you change the cables around, dont forget to edit the menu.lst |
| 04:05.14 | peterS | but if you have 12 strings, on two guitars, it's easier to fit your 4 hands |
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| 04:05.19 | kamaraju | I have a question regarding vncserver. It looks like if I reboot the machine where the vncserver is run, I am loosing all the previous sessions. Is there any way to prevent that and have the capability of restoring the sessions across reboots of the server? |
| 04:05.23 | ke6isf | peterS: Indeed. |
| 04:05.30 | peterS | roler: heh, good to know that was all you needed |
| 04:05.32 | albo | liable: i changed menu.lst to 1,6 and got a error |
| 04:05.38 | abrotman | mmm . my birthday just past .. happy bday to me! |
| 04:05.45 | abrotman | i should get me a new guitar for my bday :) |
| 04:05.46 | Xenguy | 12 strings makes you a folk hero... |
| 04:05.53 | liable | albo: what the drive/partition? |
| 04:06.09 | peterS | happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday ay brot man, happy birthday to you |
| 04:06.12 | Xenguy | abrotman: libra? HBTY! |
| 04:06.13 | albo | liable: the new drive is hdd as well as the partition, |
| 04:06.17 | abrotman | peterS: it was last sunday :) |
| 04:06.32 | nvz | after 3 years I am still in a rut playing most of the time A, Am, A7, C, Cm, D, D7, E, Em, F, F9, G, and G9 and maybe a choice few others. I know enough music theory that if I sat there and counted frets and had some paper and a pen I could lay out any kind of scale and build any chord and follow the modes of progression. |
| 04:06.35 | abrotman | but i didn't do anything except drink beer and tequila |
| 04:06.42 | peterS | abrotman: that's ok, I can still sing a copyrighted song publicly without a license, can't I? |
| 04:06.49 | nvz | I just am in a rut for things I know off the top of my head |
| 04:06.56 | abrotman | nvz: do you play a B as x24442 ? |
| 04:07.02 | Xenguy | nvz: bah, you have lots of chords there - get practicing ;-) |
| 04:07.05 | abrotman | peterS: no |
| 04:07.13 | nvz | I off the top of my head dont know how to play any B chord |
| 04:07.16 | abrotman | and most of those he listed .. are cake :) |
| 04:07.18 | liable | albo: secondary slave, fourth partition? |
| 04:07.23 | abrotman | nvz: you really really really need to practice |
| 04:07.24 | peterS | nvz: play Lake of Fire by ... whoever it was by ... you know, as nirvana did on MTV unplugged |
| 04:07.27 | albo | liable: its sata. |
| 04:07.34 | nvz | peterS: Meat Puppets |
| 04:07.39 | peterS | right, the meat puppets |
| 04:07.40 | abrotman | nvz: either in the E frame on the 7th fret .. or A frame on the 2nd fret |
| 04:07.48 | peterS | it's all in 5ths |
| 04:07.55 | Xenguy | nvz: mind you, I'm talking to myself simultaneously :-) |
| 04:07.56 | cafuego | hmm, meat... |
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| 04:08.14 | abrotman | cafuego: you are alive@! |
| 04:08.17 | SerajewelKS | can anyone recommend a good public doom/prboom server? |
| 04:08.18 | peterS | it's cafuego! we were just talking about you this afternoon |
| 04:08.22 | abrotman | peterS: wait . don't you have to lart cafuego for something ? |
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| 04:08.43 | abrotman | !peters |
| 04:08.43 | dpkg | it has been said that peters is tired |
| 04:08.46 | abrotman | hrm |
| 04:08.47 | abrotman | @peters |
| 04:08.48 | ravenbird | methinks peters is tired, or the mouse guru, or <petemc> peterS: you're the sober yin to #debians firey yang, or should schedule errands for when temperatures are warmer than -12C. |
| 04:08.51 | abrotman | there we go :) |
| 04:08.52 | peterS | abrotman: he created the peterssm*, but one can forgive him for that |
| 04:08.56 | abrotman | oh yeah |
| 04:08.59 | nvz | I practice but I mostly play the same shit over and over. |
| 04:09.00 | abrotman | i just remembered :) |
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| 04:09.05 | peterS | the other was karsten |
| 04:09.42 | Xenguy | nvz: the solution is clear - you need to join a band that gets regular gigs - then you'd *have* to sound good ;-) |
| 04:09.43 | mattfury | is xandros any good? |
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| 04:10.06 | Xenguy | mattfury: no |
| 04:10.08 | nvz | right now I can only play three songs off the top of my head from beginning to end.. and they would be the last 3 I played. some of the ones I learned first years ago like Under The Bridge, I cannot remember at all |
| 04:10.11 | abrotman | nvz: http://ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/b/beethoven_ludwig/ode_to_joy_tab.htm .. that should keep you occupied for a few hours |
| 04:10.21 | Xenguy | mattfury: try debian or ubuntu instead |
| 04:10.36 | mattfury | yeah i have. |
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| 04:10.45 | Xenguy | mattfury: and? |
| 04:10.48 | mattfury | isnt it just a desktop tho? |
| 04:10.48 | abrotman | mattfury: we don't use xandros |
| 04:10.55 | nvz | IIRC only one of the songs has a solo, and its a small and simple one |
| 04:11.22 | mattfury | ok, whats wrong with xandros? |
| 04:11.38 | abrotman | nvz: not gonna ? |
| 04:11.54 | Xenguy | mattfury: nothing, you need to run xandros, it will change your life ;-) |
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| 04:12.23 | nvz | abrotman: yeah right :P I am not that bad. It took me 5 seconds to play the first line.. and there are only 20 bars there. that kind of simple shit I can read and play in real-time |
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| 04:12.42 | Xenguy | mattfury: sorry, I'm being flippant tonight - just /ignore me |
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| 04:12.50 | mattfury | lol |
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| 04:12.58 | albo | i cant run chroot it cant find bash |
| 04:13.01 | abrotman | nvz: so what's the problem ? |
| 04:13.02 | mattfury | *spam* |
| 04:13.04 | askance | anybody know how to get WEP working from the terminal (as opposed to a script file) |
| 04:13.15 | abrotman | nvz: i play the whole thing in .. 15 seconds? :) |
| 04:13.33 | albo | heh..need to mount the partition |
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| 04:13.34 | peterS | there are almost no intervals in that song |
| 04:13.40 | peterS | it's almost all whole and half steps |
| 04:13.56 | nvz | yeah and you only have to move two fingers |
| 04:13.59 | peterS | even *I* could pick it out on a guitar in real time |
| 04:14.08 | abrotman | peterS: it's simple sounding .. but sounds nice in the end |
| 04:14.21 | abrotman | peterS: go ahead and try .. it's not as easy as it looks |
| 04:14.28 | abrotman | nvz: did you learn it all ? |
| 04:14.38 | nvz | peterS: I've learned to look away when turning a guitar :P |
| 04:14.44 | abrotman | nvz: duh! |
| 04:14.56 | roler | peterS, this locale really changes a lot of things. It took the AM/PM off of my clock which I wanted gone anyways. Neat :) |
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| 04:15.12 | liable | askance: man iwconfig, you can enter it from there. |
| 04:15.13 | Xenguy | nvz: I think you need to study the Butthole Surfers repertoire carefully - it that doesn't jog you out of your guitar rut, nothing will |
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| 04:15.25 | Xenguy | s/it/if |
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| 04:15.48 | ryon | Dumb Question - what's the xorg version of "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"? |
| 04:15.53 | Xenguy | abrotman: 10 years after? |
| 04:15.54 | prologic | Q: How do I enable VBE (Video Bios Extention) ? |
| 04:16.01 | abrotman | Xenguy: yeah |
| 04:16.07 | Xenguy | abrotman: ! |
| 04:16.08 | nvz | abrotman: yeah its simple. I get a little fumbly movinf into the 3rd measure but its easy |
| 04:16.10 | askance | liable: yeah, i enter iwconfig rausb0 key XXXXXXXX, but how do I turn on WEP? is there another entry to make? |
| 04:16.11 | abrotman | Xenguy: but nvz has to learn the Alvin Lee part |
| 04:16.16 | doleyb | ryon s/xfree86/xorg |
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| 04:16.25 | Xenguy | abrotman: that's a classic - I'll /dcc him |
| 04:16.42 | nvz | abrotman: I've been working on Hendrix's "Hey Baby" for years and still cant play much more than the first 45seconds and a few close sounding licks in the middle |
| 04:16.49 | abrotman | nvz: if it's so simple .. why do you fumble? :) |
| 04:16.59 | nvz | abrotman: I've got that intro of 45seconds pretty much nailed though |
| 04:17.11 | ryon | doleyb: man, I swear I tried that. But 1000 thanks. Told you it was a dumb question. |
| 04:17.17 | peterS | abrotman: just the melody or do I have to come up with some sort of harmony? just now I tuned the guitar (approximately, I didn't spend any time) and picked out the melody in almost real time |
| 04:17.23 | nvz | abrotman: cause plucking the two strings at once then going back to picking one fools my coordination |
| 04:17.24 | stew | go angels |
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| 04:17.40 | abrotman | peterS: double time! |
| 04:17.55 | abrotman | stew: the angels 0wned the yanks :) |
| 04:18.03 | try_catch_this | timgoh0: ok thanks, they arent any linux drivers for the usb connection anyway =( |
| 04:18.07 | peterS | hmmm. I'll have to see how fast I can go. including repeating the last half, I suppose.... |
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| 04:18.35 | albo | i chroot to /dev/hdd and then run grub-install --no-floppy /dev/hdd and get "The file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly" any ideas? |
| 04:18.53 | Xenguy | nvz: incoming |
| 04:18.54 | peterS | 35 seconds including repeating the last half |
| 04:19.11 | abrotman | i actually have a recording of me doing it that i found |
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| 04:19.25 | peterS | I did play it in E though, maybe it'd be a little harder in its original D |
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| 04:19.39 | stew | abrotman: we had quite a fun time tonight at a local pub :) we were the only non-NYY fans |
| 04:19.44 | abrotman | stew: yay |
| 04:19.51 | nvz | the reason I stopped learning other peoples music is because like all these years trying to learn "Hey Baby (Land of the new rising sun)" too many people have tabbed shit horribly and it just throws you off trying to learn it more than it helps. I've learned what I know so far pretty much just from listening to it.. but I haven't been able to figure out the rest |
| 04:20.07 | liable | askance: iwconfig key on wlan0? |
| 04:20.12 | albo | liable: any idea |
| 04:20.17 | abrotman | oh wait .. .wav |
| 04:20.21 | peterS | err, wait, it's actually in G, isn't it? |
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| 04:20.30 | stew | abrotman: why .wav? |
| 04:20.44 | stew | i hate beethoven's 9th |
| 04:20.45 | abrotman | stew: audacity defaults to wav |
| 04:20.49 | abrotman | peterS: C |
| 04:20.58 | liable | albo: try re-installing grub from the chroot |
| 04:20.58 | stew | abrotman: ms invented .wav, right? |
| 04:21.05 | kelan_ | stew: even the 2nd movement? i love that one |
| 04:21.17 | abrotman | peterS: nvz the part where it says "Berzerkers fav part" is actually wrong ;) |
| 04:21.22 | albo | liable: i try to set root (hd1,0) and get error 5 part table invalid or corrupt |
| 04:21.25 | stew | kelan_: "ode to joy" whatever that is, i don't like it |
| 04:21.26 | askance | liable: my wireless device is rausb0 -- i have it working in open mode in linux. it works under Win2k with the WEP, but I'm confused with linux |
| 04:21.30 | peterS | abrotman: oh I didn't look at the url you posted. what was it again? |
| 04:21.32 | Xenguy | abrotman: nvz is ignoring my /dcc's - oh well :P |
| 04:21.33 | abrotman | peterS: maybe G |
| 04:21.39 | abrotman | http://ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/b/beethoven_ludwig/ode_to_joy_tab.htm |
| 04:21.55 | abrotman | Xenguy: firewall ? |
| 04:22.01 | kelan_ | stew: is the whole symphony called "ode to joy"? or does that refer to just a particular movement? |
| 04:22.04 | askance | liable: how do we indicate the encryption type is WEP to linux, as opposed to WPA or WPA/PSK |
| 04:22.04 | peterS | abrotman: oh, a tablature. I can't read those |
| 04:22.08 | Xenguy | abrotman: could be - /dcc is weird often |
| 04:22.09 | abrotman | kelan_: just that part |
| 04:22.22 | peterS | kelan_: that's the melody of the last movement |
| 04:22.25 | liable | albo: if its sata, it would likelt be (sd1,0) |
| 04:22.30 | Xenguy | abrotman: it usually works for me sending tho, but depends on the receiver |
| 04:22.36 | stew | peterS: do you play a musical instrument? which? |
| 04:22.39 | kelan_ | ah |
| 04:22.47 | abrotman | Xenguy: won't get to me :) |
| 04:22.53 | liable | askance: iwconfig can do wep, you need wpasupplicane for wpa |
| 04:22.54 | peterS | stew: I can play lounge-lizard-level piano |
| 04:22.57 | Xenguy | abrotman: oh well |
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| 04:23.04 | liable | wpasupplicant* |
| 04:23.15 | eXa_bOy | Guerin : re ftp user... i can specify a home directory where ever i want right? |
| 04:23.17 | albo | liable: i fucked up the fdisk somehow...ugh |
| 04:23.24 | stew | i used to be very musical, but then i went to college many years ago. and had no time for music |
| 04:23.24 | nvz | I am gonna try recording a little of this here acoustic. play my few seconds of hendrix :P |
| 04:23.39 | liable | albo: oh well, you still got the other drive, do it again :) |
| 04:23.40 | abrotman | no no |
| 04:23.53 | stew | lately i tried to "jam" with my brother n law. i now officially suck |
| 04:23.58 | albo | liable: i know but it takes like 30 minutes to cp |
| 04:24.13 | albo | liable: offhand do you know any sata hdparm magic ? |
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| 04:24.28 | abrotman | Xenguy: or so i thought they wouldnt' come through .. oh well |
| 04:24.31 | liable | albo: hdparm doesnt work with sata. |
| 04:24.37 | nvz | hmm I wonder, should I install sox, or audacity to record |
| 04:24.38 | Xenguy | abrotman: hrm #1 worked |
| 04:24.41 | abrotman | Xenguy: but ihave that song .. and enough punk |
| 04:24.42 | albo | liable: is there a similar program? |
| 04:24.54 | abrotman | Xenguy: i'm more of a dead milkmen kind of guy :) |
| 04:24.55 | Xenguy | abrotman: you have Edgar? |
| 04:25.07 | liable | albo: not that i know of. |
| 04:25.07 | Xenguy | abrotman: it's classic |
| 04:25.14 | stew | i took like 5 years of piano lessons, and now i have to remind myself with "good boys do fine always" if i want to try to read music. its sad |
| 04:25.20 | nvz | well the mic works thats a good sign |
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| 04:25.49 | stew | abrotman: you know they are from bristol, or something like that |
| 04:26.09 | abrotman | stew: they who? |
| 04:26.13 | abrotman | oh .. yeah |
| 04:26.17 | stew | abrotman: milkmen |
| 04:26.29 | Xenguy | abrotman: send me your favourite DM song then ;-) |
| 04:26.40 | abrotman | Xenguy: duh .. The Fez L( |
| 04:26.43 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:26.51 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Milkmen |
| 04:26.56 | albo | liable: i have one partition. i run cfdisk and then fdisk -l tells me its fine. i run mkfs.ext3 and fdisk -l tells me theres no valid part table |
| 04:26.56 | abrotman | actually.... shit |
| 04:26.59 | nvz | its sad how little of that song I can play. sounds decent though until the suckage begins when I try to sweep my way back up the neck to end the intro |
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| 04:27.07 | abrotman | they have a song we should make our #debian sunday theme song |
| 04:27.20 | liable | albo: same disks size or different/ |
| 04:27.28 | Xenguy | abrotman: heh, Philly band |
| 04:27.29 | nvz | ah I have sox already, so it looks like I'll use sox |
| 04:27.32 | stew | abrotman: aaaahaa to the zoo? |
| 04:27.37 | peterS | albo: cfdisk and fdisk -l both read the disk directly. mkfs.ext3 goes through the kernel for the kernel's notion of where partitions start and end |
| 04:27.51 | abrotman | we have to do it |
| 04:27.54 | peterS | albo: so make sure the kernel is up to date. use 'cat /proc/partitions' after cfdisk, to see if it was able to make the kernel reread the partition table |
| 04:28.01 | abrotman | !!!! |
| 04:28.01 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 04:28.05 | albo | peterS: ok. any idea how to keep the bootable part table |
| 04:28.15 | abrotman | bah .. fucking amazon is toast |
| 04:28.15 | stew | abrotman: its the boringest day, nothing to do... |
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| 04:28.22 | nvz | now the question is what audio format I should use :P |
| 04:28.23 | peterS | albo: I don't understand the question |
| 04:28.27 | stew | abrotman: that one? |
| 04:28.40 | abrotman | from Eat Your Paisley! ... 14. Moron |
| 04:28.43 | peterS | nvz: ogg vorbis is pretty much *the* default lossy encoding anymore, isn't it? |
| 04:28.46 | strat | anyone having trouble with java working in yahoo chatrooms?? |
| 04:28.47 | abrotman | theme song for sundays!!!!! |
| 04:29.12 | abrotman | no? |
| 04:29.27 | peterS | oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman? |
| 04:29.32 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 04:29.32 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 04:29.43 | abrotman | peterS: there is a Drury Lane in Philly |
| 04:29.48 | peterS | abrotman: oh, I see |
| 04:29.55 | GoClick | I installed apache (1.3.33) from package (using synaptic) and then installed libapache-mod-php4 and restarted but it doesn't seem the php module is getting loaded, the installer didn't mention not being able to configure, I've restarted apache and there isn't anything in /etc/apache/modules.conf regarding php. Does anyone know what I need to add? #apache and ##php aren't being very helpful. |
| 04:30.04 | peterS | abrotman: I wondered where sussudio had come up with that idea for you |
| 04:30.06 | eXa_bOy | how do i disable root login from ssh? |
| 04:30.07 | stew | morrisey hsa a good permadunday song |
| 04:30.09 | peterS | it was he, right? |
| 04:30.15 | abrotman | peterS: from the Muffin Man .. |
| 04:30.20 | abrotman | peterS: and that's all i know |
| 04:30.21 | Xenguy | eXa_bOy: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 04:30.22 | albo | peterS: i have no idea if its reread |
| 04:30.28 | peterS | abrotman: I know the muffin man. I didn't know how it related to you |
| 04:30.38 | abrotman | peterS: abrotman/muffinman |
| 04:30.39 | peterS | albo: 'cat /proc/partitions' will tell you what the kernel believes the partition table to be |
| 04:30.40 | abrotman | i guess |
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| 04:30.57 | eXa_bOy | thanks Xenguy champ! |
| 04:30.59 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 04:30.59 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 04:30.59 | albo | peterS: the dev is /dev/hdd but then theres this ide/host0/bus1/target1/lun0 |
| 04:31.05 | Jakk | !laptop |
| 04:31.06 | cheal | Jakk: HP, probably |
| 04:31.07 | strat | this is 3rd distro that java dosent work in yahoo chatrooms..slackware 10.2,,ubuntu,kanotix..java loads but cant see messages i type in room.. |
| 04:31.10 | Xenguy | eXa_bOy: yw |
| 04:31.13 | nvz | oh man something went wrong it sounds horrible |
| 04:31.14 | Jakk | cheal: thanks |
| 04:31.15 | albo | peterS:i did cat it and i cant answer your question |
| 04:31.18 | peterS | albo: blah, 2.4 debian kernels still stick devfs crap in /proc/partitions, don't they? hate. |
| 04:31.26 | Guerin | strat: complain to sun |
| 04:31.33 | abrotman | nvz: what does? |
| 04:31.38 | cheal | GoClick: how do you diagnose that "it doesn't seem the php module is getting loaded"? |
| 04:31.41 | slocate | whats the command to deinstall/reinstall an app? |
| 04:31.45 | albo | peterS: should i remove devfs? |
| 04:31.46 | eXa_bOy | why wouldnt i be able to ftp to localhost? |
| 04:31.48 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 04:31.48 | dpkg | i guess refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 04:31.52 | strat | is there a java room..channel? |
| 04:31.54 | peterS | albo: won't help. you just have to figure it out from the devfs names |
| 04:31.54 | nvz | I did "sox -t ossdsp /dev/dsp -t .ogg heybaby.ogg" and I hear nothing but faint static |
| 04:31.54 | cheal | slocate: man apt-get |
| 04:31.57 | abrotman | #java .. oddly |
| 04:32.02 | nvz | abrotman: the ogg I recorded |
| 04:32.02 | albo | peterS: should i go to 2.6? |
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| 04:32.07 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 04:32.13 | peterS | albo: hdd1 will be ..../part1, hdd2 will be ...../part2, etc. |
| 04:32.18 | eXa_bOy | i get a connection refused. so i take it that ftp isnt running |
| 04:32.22 | GoClick | cheal because when I try and go to a php file it send me an application/x-httpd-php file (the source) rather than process it and the server header doesn't say php is loaded. |
| 04:32.30 | albo | peterS: theres 2 part1 entries with 0 0 0 00 0 0 after it |
| 04:32.33 | peterS | albo: you could install a 2.6 kernel but the /proc/partitions thing is just a minor annoyance, so if that's the only reason, you might not wish to bother |
| 04:32.43 | peterS | albo: right, for different disks, probably |
| 04:32.46 | abrotman | http://www.lyrics007.com/Dead%20Milkmen%20Lyrics/Moron%20Lyrics.html |
| 04:32.50 | abrotman | Sunday theme song!!! |
| 04:33.09 | Xenguy | abrotman: not until you accept dcc Edgar :P |
| 04:33.12 | albo | peterS: no both are exactly the mess i _typed_ (no mouse) before |
| 04:33.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:33.16 | cheal | GoClick: are you sure your browser's cache is not involved? |
| 04:33.17 | abrotman | not tonight |
| 04:33.17 | nvz | hmm even with just talking into the mic it sounds static but I could better make out what I said than what I was playing when I recorded the guitar |
| 04:33.27 | GoClick | cheal I have cache dissabled |
| 04:33.27 | albo | peterS: the first is 1 byte. the next is 299gajillion |
| 04:33.33 | eXa_bOy | where does debian ftpd live? |
| 04:33.33 | nvz | sounds fine through the speakers, but recording it sounds bad. |
| 04:33.34 | peterS | albo: maybe the simplest way to tell is from the device numbers. "3 0" through "3 63" is hda, "3 64" through "3 127" is hdb, "3 128" through "3 191" is hdc, "3 192" through "3 255" are hdd |
| 04:33.52 | nvz | eXa_bOy: dpkg -L ftpd |
| 04:34.09 | albo | peterS: its 22 65 major minor |
| 04:34.27 | abrotman | yay |
| 04:34.30 | abrotman | !phillysmite nvz |
| 04:34.34 | albo | peterS: theyre all 22 major |
| 04:34.37 | eXa_bOy | dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `ftpd': No such file or directory |
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| 04:34.42 | vyrus | how do i fix this in thunderbird? *** Failed to load overlay chrome://enigmail/content/enigmailCheckLanguage.xul |
| 04:34.48 | peterS | albo: oh, my bad. 22 0 through 22 63 is hdc, 22 64 through 22 127 is hdd |
| 04:34.56 | nvz | ohh well I guess my pc is too shitty to record :P |
| 04:34.57 | peterS | albo: so 22 65 is hdd1 |
| 04:35.13 | albo | peterS: yes that is what cfdisk labled it as |
| 04:35.18 | nvz | maybe I will record it some other time on a windows pc. |
| 04:35.28 | peterS | albo: so you have two entries for 22 65 in /proc/partitions? that's pretty odd |
| 04:35.45 | nvz | maybe I can learn to play it better by then. |
| 04:35.51 | albo | peterS: no. the first is 22 1 and its 1 block, the next is 22 65 and its huge |
| 04:36.00 | peterS | albo: 22 1 is hdc1, 22 65 is hdd1 |
| 04:36.08 | albo | peterS: ok. what next :-) |
| 04:36.19 | eXa_bOy | apt-get install ftpd <--- this will install ftp server correct? |
| 04:36.23 | peterS | albo: well, determine whether those are the same partition sizes as you created with cfdisk |
| 04:36.34 | peterS | albo: you can run cfdisk again just to see |
| 04:36.38 | albo | peterS: i only cfdisk the new drive |
| 04:36.42 | albo | peterS: and it is |
| 04:36.49 | askance | liable:got it figure out -- i had to add iwconfig rausb0 key restricted to make linux driver speak WEP |
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| 04:37.01 | peterS | albo: presumably the kernel was able to reread the partition table on hdd then |
| 04:37.09 | albo | peterS: yes. what next |
| 04:37.21 | peterS | albo: so you did 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdd1' and that appeared to succeed? |
| 04:37.34 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: vsftpd |
| 04:37.40 | albo | peterS: i tried /dev/hdd |
| 04:37.43 | eXa_bOy | thanks |
| 04:37.43 | albo | ill try 1 |
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| 04:37.51 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: then read man vsftpd.conf |
| 04:37.52 | peterS | albo: oh, yeah, you want hdd1 |
| 04:37.53 | askance | be back on my wireless momentarily :) |
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| 04:38.00 | nvz | maybe those turning programs I tested didnt suck ass, it was just my shitty sound card |
| 04:38.07 | eXa_bOy | thank tou |
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| 04:38.14 | peterS | albo: first rerun cfdisk to make sure mkfs didn't screw with your partition table. I *think* it would not, but it's best to be sure |
| 04:38.18 | nvz | I didnt realize what it sounded like recording, as I've never tried it before |
| 04:38.23 | albo | peterS: right. doing so |
| 04:38.56 | albo | peterS: i was doing mkfs on hdd instead of hdd1 |
| 04:39.11 | albo | peterS: and since proc/partitions is devfs crap...that screwed me up |
| 04:39.30 | peterS | albo: right, that's why it *could* have touched the partition table on hdd, so you need to check to make sure it didn't. if you mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdd1 it can't touch the partition table in any case |
| 04:39.49 | albo | peterS: well a good waste of 1 hour ;-) |
| 04:39.57 | peterS | ha. you learned something though. |
| 04:40.02 | albo | exactly |
| 04:40.26 | albo | cp -ax .... now. 25 gigs and LOTS of files |
| 04:40.30 | albo | could i dd it? |
| 04:40.39 | albo | or tar? |
| 04:40.47 | albo | think those would be faster? |
| 04:40.59 | peterS | albo: hdd means "the whole disk including the partition table" so the filesystem overlaps the partition table. as it happens, though, ext3 does not use the first 1024 bytes, so mkfs should leave the partition table (which is within the first 512 bytes) alone |
| 04:41.36 | peterS | albo: I'd use cp -ax. dd is way too cumbersome even if it might have a theoretical tiny advantage copying very large files |
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| 04:42.05 | peterS | albo: I don't think tar is any faster than cp -ax, though it could be. the difference won't be very large if so |
| 04:42.21 | eXa_bOy | is umask 022 advised for ftp? |
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| 04:42.51 | albo | peterS: should i mount hdd or hdd1 |
| 04:42.56 | peterS | albo: hdd1 |
| 04:43.06 | albo | eXa_bOy: look at the vsftpd conf fie |
| 04:43.08 | albo | eXa_bOy: look at the vsftpd conf file |
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| 04:43.12 | eXa_bOy | im reading it now |
| 04:43.20 | aquillar | hey everyone |
| 04:43.22 | peterS | albo: the *only* thing you'd use hdd for is to create the partition table, and (if it's supposed to be a bootable drive) installing the boot loader to it |
| 04:43.44 | eXa_bOy | all it says is that its what other ftp servers use, so enable it if you liek |
| 04:44.12 | Xenguy | eXa_bOy: it sounds reasonable FWIW |
| 04:44.36 | nvz | Xenguy: you can't dcc me I live on an unsecured wifi network with windows clients. if you could make it past the shitty SBG900's NAT Firewall you wouldnt get past my transparent firewall that bridges to my secured debian part of the network. |
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| 04:44.58 | nvz | Xenguy: I cant allow unsolicited connections or I would be eaten alive |
| 04:45.02 | Xenguy | nvz: another 'unlartable', oh well ;-) |
| 04:45.13 | Xenguy | nvz: well we don't want that |
| 04:45.19 | aquillar | I have a question |
| 04:45.44 | try_catch_this | whats the command to fix broken packages again? |
| 04:46.40 | eXa_bOy | FWIW?? whats that |
| 04:46.47 | acj | aquillar: 42 |
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| 04:47.02 | askance | any good man pages for how to pass paramaters to a script file? |
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| 04:47.40 | deadcat | askance: man bash |
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| 04:48.06 | eXa_bOy | another question : should i force all uploaded files (php / html / css / etc...) to be owned by the www-data user? |
| 04:48.15 | askance | deadcat: hey, did that java package work ok? |
| 04:48.28 | deadcat | askance: no dice )= i am just gonna fuck it for now |
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| 04:48.35 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 04:48.42 | deadcat | goddamn linux ppc haters (= |
| 04:48.43 | mwilson | zooba zooba zooba |
| 04:48.43 | nvz | cool there are some audio apps I've not even seen before. this Ardor looks like Cool Edit Pro I used back in school. |
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| 04:49.02 | askance | deadcat: sorry to hear that :( |
| 04:49.24 | nvz | and rosegarden seems to have come a long way since I used it |
| 04:49.31 | deadcat | askance: ya. no java for limewire, no flash, no rtc... |
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| 04:50.07 | askance | deadcat: and they don't release the source as opposed to a binary? |
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| 04:51.59 | mwilson | mfrisch: Is there supposed to be some secret to it? |
| 04:51.59 | aquillar | k I'm new to debian, and all of apache seems to be different then normal. I'm wondering how the whole virtual host works. Like, I know the main config for it, I don't know where to put it |
| 04:51.59 | ghost_adsf | Hey guys is there some howto on the proper way of moving from sarge to etch? I must have reinstalled 6 times by now. :" ( I must be doing something wrong. |
| 04:51.59 | nvz | seeing that netsplit it seems like nearly all of freenodes traffic is on kornbluth |
| 04:51.59 | eXa_bOy | another question : should i force all uploaded files (php / html / css / etc...) to be owned by the www-data user? |
| 04:51.59 | mfrisch | mwilson I cannot connect. |
| 04:51.59 | peterS | aquillar: /etc/apache/httpd.conf is a fine place to put vhost entries. I put them at the bottom |
| 04:51.59 | nvz | well at least all of #debian's traffic |
| 04:51.59 | mwilson | mfrisch: To...? |
| 04:51.59 | peterS | aquillar: unless you run apache2, then there's this whole config dir for that sort of thing and I have no idea how it works |
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| 04:51.59 | askance | deadcat: hey, have you tried ibm's ppc java implementation? |
| 04:52.00 | deadcat | askance: java, flash, rtc? limewire used to work with the old 1.3 j2re, cant get flash to work at all. rtc is a intel thing i think. |
| 04:52.00 | aquillar | apache2 :( |
| 04:52.40 | peterS | aquillar: apache2 seems to have a lot of config complexity for not a lot of gain, so I don't bother with it myself |
| 04:52.40 | askance | deadcat: are you running an apple ppc? |
| 04:52.40 | deadcat | askance: ibm and sun website pisses me off. fuck'em |
| 04:52.40 | deadcat | askance: ya. ibook |
| 04:52.40 | aquillar | thats weird |
| 04:52.40 | peterS | aquillar: do you actually need apache2? most people do not. main reasons to want it are for compatibility with mod_dav_svn for subversion, I guess |
| 04:52.40 | aquillar | the documentation that came with it is still old |
| 04:52.40 | mfrisch | mwilson my router box with exim4 on it, have changed the conf and am listening and the firewall is letting it through. |
| 04:53.03 | aquillar | no real reason |
| 04:53.03 | askance | deadcat: ibm says they have linux ports for apple ppc; lemme search for a friendly link |
| 04:53.03 | aquillar | I figured ti was the latest and greatest |
| 04:53.04 | peterS | aquillar: I realise that apache2 has been considered stable for a pretty long time now, but I still haven't "upgraded" because there's little reason for me to do so |
| 04:53.10 | mwilson | mfrisch: Forget the firewall... it's not relevant. Have you tested LOCALLY? |
| 04:53.18 | eXa_bOy | how do i stop / start vsftpd? |
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| 04:53.20 | deadcat | askance: thanks. |
| 04:53.22 | aquillar | yeah, you're already established on it |
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| 04:53.27 | eXa_bOy | man page is usless |
| 04:53.27 | deadcat | eXa_bOy: /etc/init.d/vsftpd |
| 04:53.29 | cheal | !tell ghost_adsf about sarge->etch |
| 04:53.33 | eXa_bOy | ta |
| 04:53.37 | eXa_bOy | /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 04:53.42 | ghost_adsf | cheal, thanx |
| 04:53.42 | peterS | aquillar: right, anyway, the debian apache2 config is kind of confusing and I've never bothered to figure it out, so I can't really help you further |
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| 04:53.55 | mfrisch | mwilson no. will try THANKS |
| 04:53.55 | peterS | aquillar: the debian apache1 config will be more what you're used to, I assume |
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| 04:54.10 | aquillar | not used to anything to be honest withyou |
| 04:54.17 | peterS | ahh |
| 04:54.17 | Bruninho | Alguma Brasileira??? |
| 04:54.28 | cheal | !br |
| 04:54.28 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:54.53 | aquillar | is anyone farmiliar with apache2 config? |
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| 04:55.41 | Vyrus001 | how do i fix this in thinderbird ?*** Failed to load overlay chrome://enigmail/content/enigmailCheckLanguage.xul |
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| 04:56.11 | Soots | i am using an intel i386 archetecture and trying to install linux, would 2.6.8-2-368 be the best kernel for me? |
| 04:57.01 | cheal | Soots: some may be more optimized |
| 04:57.11 | cheal | s/368/386 |
| 04:57.20 | bucky | aquillar, you make a virt host file like the one in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default and make a soft link to it from /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
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| 04:57.44 | bucky | make as many as you want |
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| 04:58.02 | peterS | Soots: install debian using the boot media and the 'linux26' command at the Boot prompt. you can always install and boot other kernels after you're up and running |
| 04:58.06 | Soots | i think that 386 might be the only one becasue 686 is 64 bit isnt it? |
| 04:58.16 | smartbhai | hi anyone using alsa with vlc here? |
| 04:58.19 | topquark | is there a command that I can do like "foobarcommand 10+1" and the output will be 11 |
| 04:58.22 | peterS | Soots: no, 686 means any Intel or AMD CPU newer than about 1996 |
| 04:58.22 | cheal | Soots: no |
| 04:58.28 | cheal | !tell Soots about 686 |
| 04:58.40 | askance | deadcat: here it is, http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux140/download.html |
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| 04:58.54 | peterS | Soots: and the -k7 variant means AMD Athlon (32-bit) |
| 04:58.59 | topquark | is there a command that I can do like "foobarcommand 10+1" and the output will be "11" |
| 04:59.07 | peterS | topquark: echo $((10+1)) |
| 04:59.10 | try_catch_this | where is the file "update.rc.d" supposed to be located ? |
| 04:59.12 | Soots | ok i don't know what your talking about, im using 40mb install, i knew k7 |
| 04:59.19 | peterS | topquark: note $ and double parentheses |
| 04:59.21 | askance | deadcat: it has links to 32 and 62 bit iseries/pseries, I think that's what the ppc is |
| 04:59.34 | mwilson | topquark: man bc |
| 04:59.41 | peterS | try_catch_this: update-rc.d is in root's path, in /usr/sbin |
| 04:59.45 | topquark | peterS: thanks.. |
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| 05:00.12 | try_catch_this | well its not there |
| 05:00.13 | Soots | damnm lots of people, with 386 be ok? |
| 05:00.15 | eXa_bOy | i cant login to my ftp, im using vsftpd and every user i try doesnt work |
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| 05:00.19 | try_catch_this | whats supposed to be in it? |
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| 05:00.33 | eXa_bOy | the log tells me INVALID LOGIN |
| 05:00.36 | aquillar | bucky: isn't it the other way around? make the file in available and the soft-link in enabled? |
| 05:00.42 | eXa_bOy | FAILED LOGIN sorry. |
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| 05:01.02 | factor | ok see if my kernel works. brb |
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| 05:01.12 | bucky | aquillar, that's it |
| 05:01.48 | Whiskers | hello room |
| 05:01.56 | bucky | !room |
| 05:01.56 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 05:02.06 | aquillar | bucky: so the files are almost exactly identical? |
| 05:02.12 | Soots | !room |
| 05:02.12 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 05:02.18 | Soots | kool |
| 05:02.18 | Whiskers | if i dont knwo the name of a partition, how can i find that out? |
| 05:02.28 | Soots | !8ball will lnx work |
| 05:02.28 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
| 05:02.33 | bucky | aquillar, what files? |
| 05:02.35 | Soots | kool as |
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| 05:02.55 | maher | Whiskers: fdisk -l or cat /proc/partitions |
| 05:02.55 | Soots | !8ball will my kernel work? |
| 05:02.56 | dpkg | Are you smoking crack? |
| 05:02.59 | aquillar | bucky: well if I make a copy of default for each virtual host and modify it accordingly.. |
| 05:03.06 | eXa_bOy | anyone? |
| 05:03.09 | Soots | damn thats kool |
| 05:03.19 | eXa_bOy | surely this is something little im missing. |
| 05:03.22 | bucky | right |
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| 05:03.58 | mwilson | factor STILL thinks he needs to build his own kernel? Why didn't someone stop him? |
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| 05:04.26 | c0rrupt_ | hey does anyone know of any good linux sandboxes |
| 05:04.32 | Whiskers | it says no such file or directory when i type cat/proc/partitions |
| 05:04.41 | maher | c0rrupt_: chroot? |
| 05:04.42 | bucky | mwilson, because debian is a distro for beginners? |
| 05:04.46 | c0rrupt_ | for windows exes |
| 05:04.50 | maher | Whiskers: space after cat |
| 05:04.53 | c0rrupt_ | using windows API |
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| 05:05.15 | c0rrupt_ | liken norman anti virus |
| 05:05.33 | Whiskers | thank you |
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| 05:08.25 | try_catch_this | how do I find my PATH ? |
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| 05:08.52 | nvz | Seems like testing is missing a _lot_ of packges from the ones I've seen people mention to the ones I've looked for myself there are just countless packages that are in sid and/or sarge that are not in etch right now |
| 05:08.53 | vladuz976 | is debian compiled for i386 or i686 ? |
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| 05:09.08 | eXa_bOy | this ftp shit is giving me the shits, |
| 05:09.40 | albo | eXa_bOy: did you look at the vsftpd conf like i asked? |
| 05:09.44 | nvz | vladuz976: debian works on i486 or better |
| 05:10.31 | vladuz976 | nvz: would it run better or faster if you had it compiled for the correct architecture, let's say i686 in my case? |
| 05:10.32 | eXa_bOy | yes my friend i have configured it completely... restarted vsftpd and i am unable to login using any users. |
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| 05:10.54 | nvz | vladuz976: probably not. you may be looking for #gentoo its across the hall --> |
| 05:11.28 | vladuz976 | nvz: i know there is source stuff out there, i am just wondering what the advantage is to have it compiled for your architeture |
| 05:11.38 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: then you haven't configured it correctly. |
| 05:11.39 | nvz | vladuz976: debian's focus is on freedom and stability while providing the widest selection of software possible to as many archs as possible in respect to those goals |
| 05:11.50 | maher | vladuz976: most packages are compiled for i386 - except there are 686 versions of some, and some like ssh contain cpu specific optimizations chosen at run time |
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| 05:12.07 | eXa_bOy | hmmm interesting.... i will copy the documentated version of the file and start again |
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| 05:12.35 | vladuz976 | maher: is there any advantage of having i686 compiled stuff over i386? |
| 05:12.40 | peterS | vladuz976: you may wish to install the 'libc6-i686' and 'kernel-image-....-686' packages (.... meaning there are multiple kernel image packages out there for different versions), which gives you i686-optimised code for the parts of the system you use the most |
| 05:12.47 | Pupeno | maher: how does a compiled package have "cpu specific optimizations chosen at run time" ? various different binaries ? |
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| 05:12.58 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: probably no use, since the default config almost certainly doesn't do what you want |
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| 05:13.14 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: reading the cod and enabling the appropriate options would be your best bet |
| 05:13.16 | maher | Pupeno: basically yes |
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| 05:13.18 | peterS | Pupeno: different library functions, usually, which are selected after a CPUID instruction is used to determine what capabilities are available |
| 05:13.18 | Pupeno | vladuz976: it should use more optimizations (i686 over i386), being faster. |
| 05:13.20 | Guerin | s/cod/doc/ |
| 05:13.37 | Pupeno | I didn't know that was possible. Interesting. |
| 05:13.47 | maher | vladuz976: in theory it should be faster - in practice for most things it doesn't seem to make a noticable difference |
| 05:13.50 | peterS | Pupeno: the most common use of this is for multimedia applications that want to know whether they can use extensions like MMX, 3DNow! and SSE |
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| 05:13.58 | ecliptik | I just mirrored my debian hardrive, but grub won't load (no operating system found) how do I install grub to this new drive? |
| 05:14.09 | ecliptik | and grub-install /dev/hdc didn't work... |
| 05:14.24 | askance | peterS: does the 686 optimization kernel really run that much faster than the 386 kernel |
| 05:14.45 | peterS | askance: probably not, but it'll make more difference than pretty much anything else you compile for 686 |
| 05:14.48 | eXa_bOy | whats the COD? |
| 05:15.04 | peterS | eXa_bOy: he said he meant doc, not cod |
| 05:15.11 | eXa_bOy | right missed that. |
| 05:15.14 | eXa_bOy | soz |
| 05:15.19 | Guerin | d and c are close to each other |
| 05:15.32 | Guerin | my typing is bad, as ever |
| 05:15.36 | nvz | Cash On Delivery? Cows On Demand? Cute Oversized Dog? Combustable Oder Detected? |
| 05:15.52 | nvz | man I am good at comming up with stupid meanings to TLAs |
| 05:15.52 | peterS | he can't type, you insensitive cod! |
| 05:15.55 | c0rrupt_ | haha |
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| 05:16.03 | maher | Pupeno: vladuz976 i might be wrong about ssh - but ssl does - look in /usr/lib/$arch |
| 05:16.05 | c0rrupt_ | there is norman a/v for linux |
| 05:16.07 | marc7 | quick question on a debian install, i don't think the megaraid2.o or e1000.o modules are included on the netinst image... any idea how I could grab 'em and get my raid card recognized so I could throw the whole distro on there? |
| 05:16.08 | c0rrupt_ | its awesome |
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| 05:16.10 | vladuz976 | peterS: so can i just install the i686 image with apt and it will replace my i386 image? |
| 05:16.23 | Guerin | c0rrupt_: haha, you tool. |
| 05:16.30 | c0rrupt_ | Lol |
| 05:16.31 | peterS | vladuz976: libc6-i686 will *functionally* replace libc6. the runtime linker will substitute the best library in |
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| 05:16.36 | c0rrupt_ | im tellin ya |
| 05:16.43 | Guerin | c0rrupt_: you're spammin' us |
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| 05:16.49 | c0rrupt_ | how so? |
| 05:16.54 | nvz | I should make a game like "Get The Picture" that you make up definitions for TLA's |
| 05:16.59 | peterS | c0rrupt_: you're using a lot of screen space to say nothing at all |
| 05:17.15 | nvz | I used to like playing that game "Get The Picture" sucks its not around anymore |
| 05:17.19 | Guerin | c0rrupt_: give over, norton is crap on windows, let alone on a unix |
| 05:17.24 | c0rrupt_ | what about you 2 using even more space to make me say even more meaningless stuff |
| 05:17.39 | nvz | I suppose I could always code an open source version and package it for debian :P |
| 05:17.44 | vladuz976 | peterS: i have libc8-i686 installed. but that is different from the kernel image |
| 05:17.48 | c0rrupt_ | what is better? |
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| 05:17.57 | c0rrupt_ | at sandboxing |
| 05:18.01 | germangardener10 | hello |
| 05:18.12 | Guerin | c0rrupt_: no av at all was better than norton last I used it. |
| 05:18.21 | peterS | vladuz976: yes it's different. that's your standard C library, which almost all applications use a lot. the current kernel image package is named kernel-image-$(uname -r) and is probably something like 'kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386' |
| 05:18.24 | Guerin | and wtf is this 'sandboxing'? |
| 05:18.34 | Guerin | do you mean quarantining? |
| 05:18.45 | nvz | sandboxing is like jail or quarentine |
| 05:19.04 | vladuz976 | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 05:19.22 | eXa_bOy | sandbox is too familure to CVS... sheesh all these are confusing :P |
| 05:19.24 | peterS | well, technically a sandbox is a place you can allow untrusted code to run in boundaries that assure it can't actually hurt you. a quarantine is usually a place you put untrusted code to *prevent* it from ever running |
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| 05:19.34 | nvz | I stole a copy of Vista Beta 1, I am proud of myself. I don't even intend on using it. |
| 05:19.39 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 05:19.52 | germangardener10 | hey can sombody give me an mp3 i'm trying to getmy mplay to work with streaming sound but nothing is streaming very well |
| 05:19.52 | stew | nvz: nice work |
| 05:19.56 | nvz | stew: :) |
| 05:20.03 | germangardener10 | please |
| 05:20.13 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/FCCsong.mp3 |
| 05:20.15 | maher | nvz: too bad ms won't be able to make any more copies... |
| 05:20.35 | maher | Guerin: give him rms singing... |
| 05:20.46 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/FCCSong.mp3 |
| 05:20.55 | Guerin | sorry |
| 05:20.59 | nvz | maher: *sigh* I am sure I didnt get _The_ windows vista. they probably still have a copy |
| 05:21.30 | Guerin | the song's possibly NSFW ... but probably safer than RMS |
| 05:21.38 | peterS | haha |
| 05:21.43 | germangardener10 | thanks |
| 05:21.44 | nvz | I dont know if RMS can sing good, but I dont want to find out |
| 05:21.58 | liable | grr, i wish i could work out why mplayer eof's on a dumped stream. |
| 05:21.59 | nvz | he's too smart to be talented :P |
| 05:21.59 | maher | Guerin: rms sings i ogg of course... |
| 05:22.03 | peterS | the Free Software Song is one of those things you don't ever want to subject yourself to twice |
| 05:22.05 | Guerin | nvz: well. You mean 'can sing well' |
| 05:22.11 | maher | nvz: its frightening |
| 05:22.24 | peterS | not that he's particularly *bad* at singing, it's just super dorky |
| 05:22.31 | Guerin | maher: but since his recording is GPLed, anyone can do what jwz did |
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| 05:23.02 | maher | Guerin: umm... there's all sort of things you can do... |
| 05:23.08 | Guerin | maher: obviously |
| 05:23.25 | nvz | Guerin: trying to teach a yinzer proper english is like trying to teach fish to brethe air and walk |
| 05:23.34 | peterS | I once heard the Free Software Song resampled from 8 kHz to 48 kHz, or something like that, because of annoyances with my sound driver and player app. it was almost an improvement |
| 05:23.42 | maher | nvz: sorry - i was making the obvious point that abtaining copies of vista is kinda pointless |
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| 05:24.17 | encompass | how do I creat a PGP key? |
| 05:24.30 | nvz | maher: I know, its the thought that counts. Microsoft says the reason I have pcs with linux is to steal their software anyway.. so I figured I would steal a copy before it comes out |
| 05:24.35 | Guerin | encompass: man gpg |
| 05:24.51 | Guerin | encompass: google around for a howto |
| 05:25.03 | maher | nvz: seems a aste of time - but i hope you had fun... |
| 05:25.13 | nvz | maybe some day I will get around to installing it in a VM to see how much code they tried to steal from my OS |
| 05:25.13 | maher | s/aste/waste/ |
| 05:25.16 | germangardener10 | astalavista.box is it? |
| 05:25.20 | Guerin | nvz: but if you don't use it, it's just a waste of YOUR resources, not anyone else's. |
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| 05:25.36 | germangardener10 | that's a good site for hacking into software |
| 05:25.44 | Guerin | germangardener10: don't bother. |
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| 05:25.50 | nvz | Guerin: I dont intend on using it on any of my machines, but I will eventually have a look once I get bored enough. |
| 05:26.09 | Guerin | i find it more expedient to just not give a fuck |
| 05:26.14 | nvz | or give it to my brother so he can tell me who cool it is |
| 05:26.25 | nvz | he's got a small influential mind |
| 05:26.32 | peterS | yeah it does seem as though one would have to be *awfully* bored to care about that |
| 05:26.44 | encompass | perhaps I am looking of rht ewrong thing... I want a way for me to send an email and have people know it is from me because of a key/signature is there a way to do that? |
| 05:26.59 | nvz | came bragging to me when he got XP about the movie editor and shit it had.. |
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| 05:27.17 | nvz | he doesnt realize in the free world we've been doing those sorts of things for years |
| 05:27.24 | Guerin | encompass: yes. google for a gpg howto |
| 05:27.37 | encompass | ok, sorry |
| 05:27.40 | Guerin | encompass: then learn how to use your key to sign content |
| 05:27.47 | peterS | nvz: movie editing? in open source? hardly |
| 05:28.00 | nvz | why not? |
| 05:28.13 | Guerin | nvz: you clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about |
| 05:28.28 | nvz | I edit movies with the gimp *shrug* |
| 05:28.34 | peterS | the tools still aren't there. cinelerra might be, but it's got molti problemi licensi at the moment |
| 05:28.40 | Guerin | audio/visual engineering is an area where free software lags far behind proprietary software |
| 05:28.52 | nvz | of course you have to decode it first |
| 05:28.54 | Guerin | mostly because it requires extremely specialised knowledge |
| 05:28.56 | peterS | nvz: dude, animated gifs aren't on the same scale as editing DVD clips |
| 05:29.19 | Guerin | nvz: gimp:premiere::notepad:emacs |
| 05:29.22 | nvz | peterS: I am not talking about animations, I am talking about movies. you use mplayer and mencoder |
| 05:29.33 | peterS | Guerin: right, that's a problem in a lot of specialised software - the people who know the proprietary tools really well are not programmers |
| 05:29.35 | nvz | and you do the editing with whatever you want |
| 05:29.37 | Guerin | nvz: yes ... and it's still utter shit |
| 05:30.04 | peterS | Guerin: free software CAD is total crap - this is something I once had ambitions of doing something about since I *do* have some experience with the real thing |
| 05:30.16 | Guerin | peterS: right. The people who write spec don't care about software politics - and the spec is all highly classified stuff. |
| 05:30.21 | maher | peterS: what license probs with cinelerra? |
| 05:30.48 | Guerin | peterS: right, cad is another case. Graphic design of all kinds is really in the same boat, recent process colour additions to gimp notwithstanding |
| 05:30.56 | peterS | maher: lots of unlabeled files that could have come from *anywhere*. this came up recently when someone started working on packaging the 'cinelerra-cvs' fork |
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| 05:31.12 | Guerin | peterS: heh, like mplayer |
| 05:31.18 | peterS | Guerin: *nod*. a lot like mplayer. |
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| 05:31.20 | Guerin | mplayer / cinelerra |
| 05:31.22 | Guerin | yeh |
| 05:31.24 | maher | peterS: oh - i thought is was mainly a one man show - maybe the one man is slack... |
| 05:31.57 | peterS | maher: whoever is packaging cinelerra-cvs is talking with upstream to try and track down where everything came from and make sure it's all licensed appropriately. one can hope this happens somewhat expeditiously |
| 05:32.03 | nvz | I was going over the bugs outstanding on the gimp. someone filed a wishlist bug because apt-cache search photoshop doesnt show the gimp, and another fool filed one that said the tools window should say "Gimp" instaed of "The Gimp" in the titlebar |
| 05:32.20 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:32.33 | maher | nvz: the first has some point to it... |
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| 05:32.40 | peterS | nvz: some people are so bored you should give them copies of windows vista so they don't have to dick around with the bug tracking system |
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| 05:33.53 | peterS | speaking of the gamp, where is Penix? |
| 05:33.55 | albo | peterS: hey |
| 05:34.12 | nvz | !seen penix |
| 05:34.13 | dpkg | penix <n=wenas@unaffiliated/penix> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 18h 14m 44s ago, saying: 'http://www.elx.com.au/images/products/full/elsKB-MINIUP.jpg'. |
| 05:34.24 | peterS | ahh so he is still around these days |
| 05:34.27 | albo | peterS: im done with cp. but on reboot it still goes to the old drive. could i turn the bootable flag off for that one? |
| 05:34.28 | nvz | yep |
| 05:34.37 | nvz | I havent seen him in about a month |
| 05:34.42 | peterS | albo: that's a matter to take up with your BIOS configuration |
| 05:35.02 | peterS | albo: in many cases the BIOS vendor will give you a way to select which drive it should try to boot first |
| 05:35.17 | syntaxx | what is the application that prompt for login root password when running specific program that uses root? |
| 05:35.33 | nvz | syntaxx: gksu maybe |
| 05:35.39 | peterS | albo: also you'll want to run grub-install on the other drive, with some appropriate arguments, which are a bit complex to try and talk you through over irc |
| 05:35.45 | syntaxx | thanks |
| 05:35.52 | nvz | syntaxx: su, sudo, gksu, gnome-sudo |
| 05:36.17 | nvz | su su sudio |
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| 05:36.31 | nvz | shoots even |
| 05:36.36 | peterS | albo: meanwhile you can boot your original drive but with the kernel boot option "root=/dev/hdd1" or similar, to make it use the new drive. *then* run grub-install |
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| 05:37.07 | peterS | nvz: now now, phil collins is a very talented fellow |
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| 05:37.26 | encompass | peterS I agree |
| 05:37.31 | peterS | nvz: and sussudio is from the early days before he turned into a 40-something singing to appeal to 40-somethings |
| 05:37.37 | nvz | I've never listened to him really,, but I heard him on the radio one day singing sussudio and laughed my ass off |
| 05:37.43 | peterS | heh |
| 05:37.54 | peterS | nvz: you know he recorded that in his stu-stu-studio |
| 05:38.02 | encompass | haha |
| 05:38.04 | nvz | I bet he did |
| 05:38.32 | peterS | hmmm, I haven't heard that album for a *long* time |
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| 05:38.55 | factor | nifty the upgrade went well after getting the new kernel installed. |
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| 05:38.57 | albo | peterS: my bios sees both sata drives, but in boot options theres only C: drive |
| 05:39.05 | factor | kde3.4 is sweet too. |
| 05:39.13 | albo | peterS: so do i have to put this new drive on port1? |
| 05:39.25 | albo | peterS: so do i have to put this new drive on the other physical port |
| 05:39.26 | nvz | I can picture sussudio dancing like A night at the roxbury in the stu stu studio |
| 05:39.31 | peterS | albo: it's a private matter between you and your BIOS vendor. I don't know how to convince it to boot your drive. |
| 05:39.53 | peterS | albo: I mean, you can see your bios setup screen, I can't |
| 05:39.59 | albo | peterS: so i couldnt just turn off the bootable flag on the old partition and the it would have to use the new one? |
| 05:39.59 | peterS | though I'm straining my eyes |
| 05:40.11 | peterS | albo: no, that's not likely to make any difference |
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| 05:40.53 | AigleNoir | Hello |
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| 05:41.24 | peterS | ke6isf: oh, I forgot to mention, full points for using that verb |
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| 05:41.44 | ke6isf | peterS: Why, thank you sir. =^_^= |
| 05:42.10 | peterS | first place I actually saw it in print was alongside 'exsanguination' |
| 05:42.29 | peterS | another lovely way to end someone's miserable life |
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| 05:42.55 | ke6isf | Feh, the 'creative' bits are set at 0 right now. |
| 05:43.07 | peterS | ke6isf: well, it hardly makes sense to do both to the same guy |
| 05:43.14 | peterS | unless it's a Rasputin type who just won't die |
| 05:43.17 | nvz | I must be stupid or at least a bandit |
| 05:43.21 | ApEtc | ke6isf: I think that happened in an X-files or maybe a CSI. :) |
| 05:43.28 | askance | how would i evaluate number of command line arguments in a shell script? i'm trying "if $#==2 then ....", but bash doesn't seem to like it |
| 05:43.32 | nvz | or a stupid bandit |
| 05:43.38 | ke6isf | peterS, ApEtc: Methinks it would involve a vampire or something. |
| 05:43.39 | peterS | askance: if [ $# = 2 ] |
| 05:43.46 | Guerin | nvz: i'd say just stupid |
| 05:43.56 | peterS | askance: spaces required because of how this stuff is implemented |
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| 05:44.57 | nvz | well according to the basic laws of human stupidity it seems that way. I never seem to do the things that I need to, but I always find time to do things that dont benefit me in any way |
| 05:45.01 | peterS | askance: usually easier to do something like while [ -n "$1" ]; do ...; shift; done |
| 05:45.30 | peterS | nvz: you don't think you derive any benefit from playing ode to joy for abrotman's amusement? |
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| 05:46.16 | askance | peterS: yeah, the spaces ARE significant; didn't know that -- thanks :) |
| 05:46.26 | jair | beardy, are you still here? |
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| 05:46.48 | tuv | if i leave my machine running for a few days, i.e. ~8days uptime, it gets really slow and does lots of disk access (i think it is for swap as the physical memory gets really full). What can I do to avoid this slow performance? |
| 05:47.05 | nvz | peterS: I was just sitting here thinking about all the system maint. I've been putting off. like the multiple recursive backups of my homedir I havent went through /home/nvz/nvz/nvz/ ... |
| 05:47.05 | Guerin | tuv: how much ram, and what's the machine doing? |
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| 05:47.16 | askance | peterS: what does the [ -n "$1" ] expression evaluate as? |
| 05:47.16 | peterS | nvz: haha |
| 05:47.21 | ke6isf | tuv: Turn off any services you're not running. |
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| 05:47.27 | tuv | Guerin: 512MB, usual stuff |
| 05:47.36 | Guerin | tuv: what is 'usual' |
| 05:47.39 | peterS | askance: [ -n "$1" ] is exactly equivalent to test -n "$1". you can run 'man test' to see what -n does |
| 05:47.39 | tuv | desktop operations |
| 05:47.47 | Guerin | tuv: that tells me NOTHING |
| 05:47.54 | peterS | askance: but I'll tell you anyway: -n means "following string is non-zero length" |
| 05:48.10 | maher | tuv: run top and see what is misbehaving |
| 05:48.37 | peterS | askance: anything inside [ ] is just like running /usr/bin/test, so you can do 'man test' to find out about all of it |
| 05:48.40 | jair | if I have a dual boot machine debian sarge and win xp pro and I make an ghost image of the entire machine. I will be able to image another indentical hardware machine and the debian will be working as well? |
| 05:48.41 | tuv | Guerin: ok.. to be specific: most of the memory goes to amule, but shutting amule off does not help. running xchat, obviousle |
| 05:48.56 | tuv | Guerin: couple terminals and nautilus |
| 05:48.59 | peterS | askance: ...and that's why all those spaces are required. 'test' expects everything to be in separate arguments |
| 05:49.13 | tuv | Guerin: plus thunderbird |
| 05:49.27 | Guerin | tuv: ok. amule will be the culprit. p2p opens up huge numbers of files and network connections, and soaks up ram in stupid amounts. |
| 05:49.44 | Guerin | tuv: if you kill it, the load should decrease after a while |
| 05:49.44 | ke6isf | tuv: What loads on boot? Gnome, Nautilus, amule, and terminals should not cause a hole in eight days. |
| 05:49.53 | tuv | Guerin: when the machine first boots, running these apps. does not cause this much slow performance. this happens only if the machine stays up for few days |
| 05:49.55 | ke6isf | Well... maybe amule. |
| 05:50.01 | askance | peterS: reading man test now; thanks :) |
| 05:50.02 | ke6isf | s/hole/leak |
| 05:50.34 | Guerin | this is why I use rtorrent - built to use minimal resources |
| 05:50.49 | tuv | Just remembered, i'm running gdesklets too. python seems to be taking much memory and cpu |
| 05:50.53 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:50.59 | Guerin | python strikes again |
| 05:51.01 | peterS | askance: note, btw, -n "$1" is not the same as -n $1, because in the latter case, if $1 is indeed empty, the argument won't even be passed into 'test' at all. so it'll throw a syntax error. strange and primitive, but true |
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| 05:51.56 | Guerin | jair: theoretically, yes. |
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| 05:52.27 | jair | Guerin, I just will need to rename the hostname right? |
| 05:52.48 | Guerin | jair: if you want the hostname to be different, yeah. You'll need to change other things, too. |
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| 05:53.02 | jair | Guerin, like what? |
| 05:53.14 | Guerin | jair: whatever you want to be different from the original box |
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| 05:53.36 | jair | Guerin, but it probably will work then right? |
| 05:53.46 | Guerin | jair: if it's done right, it WILL work. |
| 05:53.52 | Guerin | if not, who knows |
| 05:54.20 | askance | peterS: hmm, i'm a fairly new convert to Linux, but I think the old DOS command language was a little more intuitive than bash |
| 05:54.27 | Guerin | haha |
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| 05:54.29 | jair | Guerin, and normally the default os that is booting is the linux os if I want to boot win xp by default? in the grub menu instead have the win xp in the last option? |
| 05:54.31 | peterS | askance: it was also incredibly primitive |
| 05:54.31 | caphuso | bwahahaha |
| 05:54.40 | Guerin | it's like saying a pointy stick is more intuitive than a leatherman |
| 05:54.45 | peterS | askance: bash is amazingly sophisticated in comparison |
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| 05:55.11 | peterS | askance: a *few* useful features are present in windows nt CMD.EXE, but the old COMMAND.COM is completely useless |
| 05:55.16 | Guerin | jair: this is documented in menu.lst comments |
| 05:55.26 | askance | peterS: yeah, just getting my feet wet now |
| 05:55.45 | caphuso | !abs |
| 05:55.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, abs is a free graphical spreadsheet designed for Unix operating systems. see http://www.ping.be/bertin/abs.shtml. Advanced Bash Scripting Guide on linuxdoc.org, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 05:56.00 | tuv | Guerin: is python known to be resouce-hungry? |
| 05:56.10 | peterS | askance: actually I should have told you about [[ ]] as an alternative to [ ]. [[ ]] is implemented as shell syntax rather than the 'test' command, so it isn't so baroque |
| 05:56.10 | nvz | yeah i've noticed they added tab completion and support for long filenames..etc |
| 05:56.14 | jair | Guerin, you mean on the /root/? |
| 05:56.14 | tuv | Guerin: is python known to be resource-hungry? |
| 05:56.16 | maher | tuv: no - but you can write bad code in python |
| 05:56.20 | Guerin | tuv: yes and no. As I understand it, it's mostly python developers who are to blame. |
| 05:56.24 | peterS | nvz: well, and while loops and things like that |
| 05:56.36 | Guerin | jair: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 05:57.06 | Guerin | tuv: by which i mean, people who write IN python, not the people who actually write python |
| 05:57.07 | tuv | Guerin: is gdesklets an example of bad coding? |
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| 05:57.18 | jair | Guerin, nice |
| 05:57.23 | jair | Guerin, thank you |
| 05:57.26 | Guerin | tuv: it starts with g for gnome, so chances are good |
| 05:57.29 | askance | peterS: what are the ramifications of [[ ]] vs [ ] |
| 05:57.33 | nvz | peterS: would be nice if they would add some sane logging features and configuration scheme not to mention some sort of filesystem standard. I may consider working on them again. |
| 05:57.35 | Guerin | tuv: but in all honesty, I don't know |
| 05:57.50 | tuv | Guerin: looks like you don't like gnome! |
| 05:57.57 | Guerin | tuv: amazing, but true. |
| 05:58.13 | tuv | Guerin: kde then? |
| 05:58.14 | peterS | askance: I don't use [[ ]] myself much because I like to stay portable beyond bash itself (not all shells have [[ ]] implemented fully), but you can use things like > instead of -gt to mean greater than |
| 05:58.27 | peterS | askance: and you don't need to quote variables with "" just to keep them from disappearing if they're empty |
| 05:58.30 | Guerin | tuv: better than gnome, but not by enough to make me like it. |
| 05:58.51 | tuv | Guerin: what's your favorite? |
| 05:59.01 | askance | peterS: how about == versus -eq or = ? |
| 05:59.08 | nvz | peterS: I dont really see the point in rewriting CMD.exe when they dont really use it anymore. Though its the only way I've found in XP to do things like looking at your ifconfig it tends to hide in the GUI what your MAC ID and IP and stuff are |
| 05:59.12 | peterS | askance: I think == is a synonym for = in both [ ] and [[ ]]. |
| 05:59.15 | Guerin | tuv: i like evilwm quite a lot at the moment, but openbox would be what I'd use if I had to choose one |
| 05:59.30 | peterS | askance: though it *may* only apply to numbers as opposed to other strings, I can't recall |
| 05:59.34 | tuv | Guerin: shutting off amule made things a little better |
| 06:00.02 | jair | Guerin, how can I put something important for the debian users in the dpkg |
| 06:00.03 | peterS | nvz: oh, cmd.exe is so much better than command.com it's not even funny. it is actually *useful* as a scripting engine. though still really cumbersome. |
| 06:00.03 | jair | ? |
| 06:00.11 | Guerin | jair: wtf? |
| 06:00.28 | peterS | nvz: it looks like a bastardized version of bourne shell, to be honest. I have no doubt they were inspired by unix shells when they added the features |
| 06:00.52 | askance | peterS: just tried it and it works ; thanks again :) |
| 06:00.54 | nvz | peterS: they are totally stealing features all over the place. |
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| 06:01.17 | caphuso | look at monad |
| 06:01.19 | Guerin | nvz: implementing good ideas != stealing |
| 06:01.22 | peterS | nvz: Windows NT even has hard links in the filesystem. nobody uses them because the tools don't really let you, but technically they exist |
| 06:02.03 | peterS | i.e., a 'ln' command doesn't exist in windows, and the gui tools don't give you a way to link files either |
| 06:02.07 | nvz | Guerin: ok. well if they had stolen it it would work right, so yeah it was their attempt at implementing good ideas. |
| 06:02.15 | jair | Guerin, ok when I was doing the dual boot installation of the debian sarge and win xp pro I had the problem with the video card of the dell optiplex 170l, it works good with debian sarge only if you apply the patch for debian 865patch from this web site:http://www.chzsoft.com.ar/855patch.html |
| 06:02.48 | Guerin | jair: you're distributing disk images. Make sure your original works, and so will the others. |
| 06:02.49 | peterS | nvz: also Windows 2000 invented this new concept for "mounting" filesystems on top of existing directories on your system, so you wouldn't have to use a different drive letter for each filesystem. that's an amazing innovation |
| 06:02.54 | remadmin | wanting to compile new kernel manualy has anything changed from: make mrproper; make menuconfig; make clean; make bzImage; make modules; make modules_install; mv bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.x; mv System.map /boot/System.map-2.6.x; lilo; ?? |
| 06:02.59 | nvz | peterS: gnu tools are ported to win32. when I had a windows pc I had them installed so I could use CMD.exe as I could bash. |
| 06:03.12 | Guerin | !wayc remadmin |
| 06:03.13 | dpkg | remadmin: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 06:03.15 | marc7 | i have a bare bare bones boot CD based on woody... is there any way to easily tell it to install the base-system off a sarge netinst CD i have sitting beside me? |
| 06:03.31 | peterS | marc7: no, they're too different |
| 06:03.36 | peterS | marc7: just boot the netinst sarge CD |
| 06:03.42 | remadmin | cant answer a question with a question |
| 06:03.43 | cheal | !wiki |
| 06:03.48 | Guerin | remadmin: why not? |
| 06:03.52 | nvz | peterS: really? my brother records a lot of video on his pc, and has so many IDE HD's he cant even keep them all in the pc. I was wondering if there was some way to LVM or something in windows xp |
| 06:03.57 | remadmin | because i dont want to use apt-get |
| 06:03.58 | cheal | arg, what's dpkg doing with 'wiki'? |
| 06:04.12 | Guerin | !tell remadmin about kernel-package |
| 06:04.20 | Guerin | !tell remadmin about kp mantra |
| 06:04.24 | Guerin | remadmin: enjoy |
| 06:04.26 | peterS | nvz: in Disk Administrator you can change a filesystem's drive letters and also specify in the same place that you want to mount the fs in some other location |
| 06:04.35 | marc7 | peterS: the sarge netinst CD doesn't recognize my dell SCSI hardware on boot, which is causing the whole problem in the first place |
| 06:04.56 | Guerin | marc7: install woody and upgrade later |
| 06:04.58 | marc7 | at least i don't remember seeing the megaraid2.o module on there |
| 06:05.32 | askance | peterS: how about calling one script from another; do you use "call" or "exec"? |
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| 06:05.38 | peterS | marc7: I bet the sarge netinst CD with the 'linux26' boot option (kernel 2.6.8) has the right megaraid driver |
| 06:05.43 | peterS | marc7: but you'd have to try it to see |
| 06:05.46 | tuv | i found that netapplet takes huge amount of memory? anybody using it and experiencing similar/different behaviour? |
| 06:05.58 | marc7 | peterS: i'll give it another go. |
| 06:06.00 | peterS | askance: neither, you just run a script as though it were any other executable |
| 06:06.03 | valdyn | tuv: huge? |
| 06:06.11 | peterS | askance: 'exec' means you don't want it ever to return to your original script |
| 06:06.36 | nvz | peterS: the reason they can't make all the features apperent to the user is because if the user suddenly became satisfied with the product they would stand up straight and pull their pants up and put their walled back in their pocket. |
| 06:06.49 | peterS | askance: if you need the second script to execute in the same environment as the first (the 'call' functionality), i.e. modified environment variables are passed back, you use 'source' |
| 06:07.07 | peterS | nvz: not true, users will still clamor for anything newer |
| 06:07.24 | askance | peterS: Ok, that makes sense |
| 06:07.54 | tuv | valdyn: just started it and it is taking 18+MB virtual mem. and 9+MB physical. that's huge for an applet! |
| 06:07.56 | peterS | askance: so, essentially, 'source' just pulls in the second script file's contents into the first script and keeps going |
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| 06:08.27 | valdyn | tuv: no its not huge for an applet |
| 06:08.29 | jair | Guerin, I am just trying to add info for other with dell machines that probably may have the same problem I was experienced |
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| 06:08.40 | Guerin | jair: oh, the bot |
| 06:08.40 | peterS | askance: you may encounter the command "." as an old synonym for "source". as in, ". second_file" on a line. that's the original way to say this but it's not as readable |
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| 06:09.01 | Guerin | jair: dpkg, foo is bla bla bla |
| 06:09.02 | valdyn | tuv: gweather is 8M RES here, clock is too, netspeed is 5 |
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| 06:09.40 | askance | peterS: yeah, it's amazing how much you CAN do with a well written script |
| 06:10.17 | marc7 | peterS: as an aside, is there a successor to the netinst CD's that would have better driver support? |
| 06:10.22 | valdyn | tuv: and your virt seems to be just low compared to some other applets ( not like that mattered ) |
| 06:10.22 | marc7 | a bigger image per se |
| 06:10.48 | valdyn | tuv: you might notice however that SHR is quit a bit too, which is good |
| 06:10.48 | peterS | marc7: no, the netinst has the same kernel images as any of the other official CD images |
| 06:10.51 | SlayerXP | WHERE 2 GET VMWARE PACKAGE FOR DEBIAN?!?!?!? |
| 06:10.55 | SlayerXP | morning :) |
| 06:11.04 | nvz | g'morning |
| 06:11.05 | peterS | marc7: however... |
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| 06:11.08 | peterS | !custom netinst |
| 06:11.08 | dpkg | hmm... custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD |
| 06:11.14 | askance | peterS: how does ownership carryon: if I "sudo a.sh" and a.sh calls b.sh, am I still root in b.sh ? |
| 06:11.23 | peterS | askance: yes |
| 06:11.45 | nvz | SlayerXP: WENAS WHO USES SOUND LOL!1!! |
| 06:11.57 | peterS | askance: process ownership is inherited just like almost every other aspect of a process |
| 06:12.21 | jair | Guerin, right I was talking about the bot |
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| 06:12.33 | nvz | I lost interest real quick reading about xen |
| 06:12.46 | nvz | not as fast as reading up on beowulf clustering though. |
| 06:13.11 | valdyn | marc7: have you tried linux26 ? |
| 06:13.37 | marc7 | valdyn: yeah, the megaraid drivers are there... but it isn't being properly detected for some reason |
| 06:13.40 | nvz | the site about beowulf basically says that there is no real definition of wtf it is, there isnt anything you can buy or download.. I couldnt gather one single concrete fact about why the fuck I should care about beowulf clustering from it |
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| 06:14.00 | peterS | nvz: yeah, the term is way overbranded, it means whatever people want it to mean |
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| 06:14.21 | valdyn | marc7: additionally there is 2 megaraid drivers in 2.6, the older one not being compiled in, iirc |
| 06:14.24 | peterS | nvz: generally it means you've got the cluster configured so you can run certain software across all nodes using MPI or PVM, but that's pretty nebulous |
| 06:14.35 | valdyn | marc7: s/compiled in/compiled/ |
| 06:14.49 | marc7 | right, megaraid and megaraid2 |
| 06:15.03 | askance | peterS: thanks for all your help; gonna bail |
| 06:15.10 | peterS | *wave* |
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| 06:15.22 | nvz | peterS: I was looking into trying clustering on my 3 headed monster, but I will probably use open mosix. I can go to their site and read "What is open mosix" and where to get the software and what hardware I need..etc |
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| 06:16.00 | peterS | nvz: mosix takes the approach of pretending your cluster is one big unix box where jobs can migrate between nodes and crap like that. the MPI / PVM approach is a lot more efficient but also a PITA to set up and manage, comparitively |
| 06:16.15 | SlayerXP | xen seems very interesting, and I have a pile of unused machines in the store room |
| 06:16.55 | SlayerXP | they were going to be a web farm cluster, but I may well run 2 debian VMs per box |
| 06:17.00 | SlayerXP | for no other reason than "I can" |
| 06:17.15 | Nurbs | the nice thing about mosix is that applications don't need to be rewritten, they just need to not use a number of features. |
| 06:17.20 | peterS | SlayerXP: if your VMs can get by fine with half your physical memory, sure (: |
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| 06:18.02 | peterS | Nurbs: yeah. you get an easier system all the way around. but people who build huge clusters are generally more than happy to write apps to use them, because the performance difference is worth it |
| 06:18.11 | SlayerXP | peterS: easily. just apache serving static content |
| 06:18.15 | Nurbs | peterS: yes. |
| 06:18.17 | lutin_triste | anyone use ncmpc here ? |
| 06:18.29 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 06:18.29 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:18.39 | peterS | Nurbs: (not to mention the fact that there's a big market of MPI apps out there anyway, for the kinds of applications you need huge clusters for in the first place, like FEM) |
| 06:18.43 | lutin_triste | why |
| 06:18.54 | cast | the stop debian kernel has dm-crypt compiled in? :o |
| 06:19.03 | peterS | cast: the *what*? |
| 06:19.12 | lutin_triste | c |
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| 06:19.21 | S3r1al | !seen zOrK |
| 06:19.21 | dpkg | zork <n=eclipse@200.90.189.58> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14d 18h 15m 32s ago, saying: 'estem, c'. |
| 06:19.25 | peterS | cast: 2.6 kernels do, anyway |
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| 06:19.43 | albo | peterS: if i physically switch hdd to where hdc was. is it still hdd? |
| 06:19.53 | peterS | albo: no, then it's hdc |
| 06:19.57 | cast | peterS: uh..was thinking about something else. fantastic though :) |
| 06:19.59 | albo | ok :-) |
| 06:20.03 | S3r1al | !cvs amsn |
| 06:20.04 | valdyn | albo: depends on your jumpering |
| 06:20.06 | _TUX_ | Helo everybody |
| 06:20.08 | S3r1al | !es |
| 06:20.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:20.14 | peterS | albo: IDE hard drive addressing is based solely on physical connection |
| 06:20.35 | peterS | albo: SCSI hard drive addressing, OTOH, is based on how many drives are detected before a given drive |
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| 06:20.54 | peterS | albo: so in the SCSI situaton, if you remove /dev/sda, then the old /dev/sdb becomes /dev/sda next time you boot |
| 06:21.04 | peterS | even if you don't change the physical addresses at all |
| 06:21.14 | lutin_triste | 1 |
| 06:21.19 | nvz | doesnt scsi have a physical addressing as well |
| 06:21.45 | peterS | nvz: yeah, but the 'sd*' system from sd_mod does not take it into account |
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| 06:21.58 | peterS | nvz: things like 'cdrecord -scanbus' will show you physical addresses |
| 06:22.02 | nvz | peterS: thats what I thought |
| 06:22.04 | valdyn | peterS: master/slave isn't necessarily picked by location, so the disk could aswell remain hdd |
| 06:22.16 | SlayerXP | PXE booting and managed by cfengine |
| 06:22.20 | peterS | valdyn: he's talking about sata |
| 06:22.25 | peterS | valdyn: or so he says |
| 06:22.28 | valdyn | peterS: oh |
| 06:22.32 | valdyn | peterS: nm then |
| 06:22.49 | peterS | valdyn: though come to think of it, I'm not sure where he got hdd since sata only has one drive per cable |
| 06:23.06 | Nurbs | at the 4th cable? :) |
| 06:23.11 | peterS | dunno |
| 06:23.14 | valdyn | peterS: no idea how sata works in 2.4 |
| 06:23.33 | peterS | valdyn: right, me either |
| 06:23.59 | nvz | I would be entirely surprised if it worked at all |
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| 06:24.47 | peterS | nvz: it works with specific IDE drivers, like ICH (piix) |
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| 06:25.27 | peterS | nvz: sketchy details at http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 06:25.37 | peterS | though that site is mainly about kernel 2.6 |
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| 06:26.15 | SimonRaven | @kick spam bots |
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| 06:26.40 | SimonRaven | kick is an internal command... |
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| 06:26.52 | mkl1525 | Hi, modprobe fails to load a module: uname -r -> 2.6.8-2-386, /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/misc has zaphfc.ko but modprobe zaphfc fails with "FATAL: Module zaphfc not found.". The zaphfc is a frsh installed module so is there something like ldconfig for modules? |
| 06:26.54 | SimonRaven | still satisfying =) |
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| 06:27.29 | valdyn | mkl1525: depmod -a |
| 06:27.35 | SimonRaven | depmod -Aa is my first choice |
| 06:27.35 | nvz | SimonRaven: whatever pulls your bandwagon :P |
| 06:28.53 | mkl1525 | valdyn, SimonRaven thanks works! |
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| 06:29.00 | SimonRaven | sure |
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| 06:29.16 | marc7 | valdyn: so I found this article http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/11/msg00253.html |
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| 06:29.33 | marc7 | valdyn: which is my -exact- problem, unable to load megaraid2 on a dell poweredge 1850 |
| 06:29.59 | albo | peterS: i chroot, did grub-install --no-floppy /dev/hdd when i boot into that drive, i see GRUB and then it does nothing |
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| 06:30.21 | SimonRaven | mmm, colin watson put in some yummay kerby things for openssh... like enabling GSSAPI only when the config has it enabled |
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| 06:30.26 | peterS | albo: yeah I forget the details of that. you may have to 'mount /proc' first |
| 06:30.28 | marc7 | valdyn: but if you take a look in the "workarounds" section A, trying to "modprobe megaraid2" gives me a module-not-found error, and trying to do a `find / | grep megaraid` gives me nothing of value |
| 06:30.31 | peterS | albo: I mean inside the chroot |
| 06:30.40 | albo | peterS: anything else? |
| 06:30.46 | peterS | albo: I told you, I don't remember the details |
| 06:30.49 | valdyn | marc7: works for you though? |
| 06:30.50 | albo | peterS: even if grub-install doesnt whine? |
| 06:31.00 | SimonRaven | first thing i do almost, besides remount / rw if needed is mount /proc |
| 06:31.06 | peterS | albo: oh, it ran without complaining? then you're probably fine |
| 06:31.19 | peterS | albo: I thought you said it did something *besides* running without complaining (: |
| 06:31.31 | marc7 | valdyn: no, it doesn't work. i can't modprobe megaraid2, and the chatter i seem to be seeing says that the original megaraid drivers aren't working |
| 06:31.35 | albo | peterS: grub-install ran without complain. the system booted and frozs |
| 06:31.35 | marc7 | *shrug* |
| 06:32.12 | valdyn | marc7: you're using the 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:32.18 | peterS | albo: what do you mean 'booted and froze'? at what point did it freeze? |
| 06:32.28 | albo | peterS: it got to GRUB and then did nothing |
| 06:32.31 | marc7 | valdyn: yeah, booted up with expert26, going through it step-by-step |
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| 06:33.23 | valdyn | marc7: i didnt know you even have 'find' available in busybox there |
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| 06:33.41 | SimonRaven | a trimmed down find i think |
| 06:33.44 | albo | SimonRaven: how to mount /proc in a chroot |
| 06:33.54 | peterS | albo: just 'mount /proc' |
| 06:33.57 | marc7 | surprisingly enough, yeah |
| 06:34.01 | valdyn | albo: the same as in a regular / |
| 06:34.07 | Vyrus001 | how do i install a version of enigmail compatible with thunderbird beta ? |
| 06:34.37 | valdyn | Vyrus001: thunderbird beta is in debian? |
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| 06:35.14 | coywolf | i want to print a-z, how? # for f in [a-z] ; do echo $f ; done; <<<< fix this plz |
| 06:35.15 | albo | coywolf: are you good with grub |
| 06:35.30 | Vyrus001 | valdyn: no |
| 06:35.32 | coywolf | albo, ? |
| 06:35.39 | SimonRaven | seq 'a z' maybe |
| 06:35.43 | Vyrus001 | valdyn: i downloaded the beta... the deb didnt have what i needed |
| 06:35.46 | SimonRaven | man seq |
| 06:35.46 | valdyn | marc7: i'd try the same kernel that guy used ( 2.4.x ?), megaraid had some issues in 2.6.8 iirc |
| 06:35.47 | peterS | SimonRaven: you'd think so but that doesn't work |
| 06:35.49 | albo | SimonRaven: are you good with grub |
| 06:35.54 | Vyrus001 | valdyn: i just thought sombody here might know :P |
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| 06:36.38 | SimonRaven | no, but it isn't hard either |
| 06:36.44 | SimonRaven | peterS: would be nice |
| 06:37.13 | coywolf | albo, what? |
| 06:37.20 | coywolf | SimonRaven, wrong |
| 06:37.25 | venger | anyone know if the /etc/issue file would show the same data for both Etch and Sid ? |
| 06:37.35 | SimonRaven | coywolf: what 'wrong'? |
| 06:37.39 | albo | SimonRaven: any idea what i have done wrong |
| 06:37.46 | valdyn | venger: yes |
| 06:37.53 | coywolf | SimonRaven seq 'a z' maybe |
| 06:37.58 | SimonRaven | albo: no. i haven't been following what you've been doing |
| 06:38.09 | SimonRaven | coywolf: yes, i know. peterS said as much |
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| 06:38.20 | myren | omg, webhostingtalk.com is fucked up tonight |
| 06:38.26 | myren | ironic and painful |
| 06:38.37 | myren | i'm highly considering a unixshell account |
| 06:38.43 | SimonRaven | now i remember why i put him on ignore... |
| 06:38.55 | venger | valdyn: ok was just trying to see how you'd identify what release is installed other than looking at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:39.22 | dimi3 | can i setup a router only on one eth card, e.i. the computers are on the same network but i have only 1 account, or i have to buy second card for the task |
| 06:39.42 | valdyn | venger: cat /etc/debian_version or probably even better at times: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 06:39.52 | SimonRaven | dimi3: what? |
| 06:40.10 | SimonRaven | accounts have nothing to do with routing |
| 06:40.24 | valdyn | venger: ah, debian_version isnt good for that either right now, so yould have to look at some package's version |
| 06:40.46 | dimi3 | SimonRaven: i want to setup a router so i could share my internet connection but the problems is that the computer that acts like router is only 1 lan card, so i can still do it, right? |
| 06:40.55 | SimonRaven | dimi3: no |
| 06:41.07 | dimi3 | i have to buy a second one ? |
| 06:41.14 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 06:41.14 | valdyn | dimi3: yes, depending on how you connect to the internet |
| 06:41.31 | dimi3 | thanks :) |
| 06:41.34 | valdyn | dimi3: if you connect via pppoe you can do that |
| 06:41.43 | dimi3 | i connect via pppoe |
| 06:41.49 | venger | valdyn: based on the version # for dpkg -l libc6? i noticed /etc/debian_version shows testing/unstable and i suspect the same on a sid box |
| 06:41.58 | dimi3 | so i can do it with only one card? |
| 06:42.02 | valdyn | venger: yea, that is correct |
| 06:42.03 | SimonRaven | !info libc6 sarge |
| 06:42.05 | valdyn | dimi3: yea |
| 06:42.06 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 06:42.08 | SimonRaven | !info libc6 etch |
| 06:42.11 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-6 (etch), Packaged size: 4815 kB, Installed size: 16356 kB |
| 06:42.19 | dimi3 | valdyn: SimonRaven THANKS! |
| 06:43.17 | valdyn | dimi3: its imperative however that your dsl modem is a switch aswell, naturally |
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| 06:45.25 | Dasnipa` | anyone know of a debian - wine walkthru? ive gotten xwine and the setuptk and ran the setup but i dont know where to go from there |
| 06:45.31 | SimonRaven | yes. otherwise it's pointless |
| 06:45.47 | doleyb | Dasnipa`: type "wine file.exe" |
| 06:45.51 | SimonRaven | most aren't. at least older ones |
| 06:46.13 | valdyn | Dasnipa`: you dont have to setup anything for wine to function |
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| 06:47.21 | Dasnipa` | hrm yeah see i thought so, but for whatever reason the file im opening doesnt want to |
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| 06:48.35 | Dasnipa` | oh well |
| 06:49.03 | mango | hello everyone...I am using a debian 3.1...my computer was working fine until this morning. I can not access the xserver using my user name...I usualy go directly into Gnome and do what I usualy....however this time, It looks like it is hunging there with a the color of the backgroud but no icons or panel on my |
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| 06:49.40 | xcrash | hmm, my screen resolution defaults to 1600x1200, i change it in the xorg.conf, where would it be reading that info from, can't be my xorg.conf file |
| 06:49.48 | SlayerXP | mango: what did you change? |
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| 06:49.59 | valdyn | !drxx xcrash |
| 06:50.00 | dpkg | xcrash: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 06:50.21 | albo | peterS: there is no diff in menu.lst betweem the two drives. yet one boots and one does (when switched into the same sata port) |
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| 06:50.54 | mango | SlayerXP:...I can login with a defferent user fine....sorry for repeating myself...help pleas...the last application I used was wine |
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| 06:51.13 | albo | peterS: is there some bad data actually in the mbr> |
| 06:51.14 | peterS | albo: don't know quite what to think. is /boot a separate filesystem on either drive, or just part of the root fs? |
| 06:51.24 | peterS | albo: there is data in the mbr but that is why you ran grub-install |
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| 06:51.40 | albo | peterS: but maybe it has bad params in the new drive |
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| 06:51.54 | xcrash | valdyn, i used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to configure the xorg.conf |
| 06:51.56 | Dasnipa` | mango, if you can login with another user then you should just go root and remove the user and copy that users files into a new user |
| 06:51.59 | peterS | albo: this is the sort of thing it is next to impossible to debug over irc |
| 06:52.03 | valdyn | albo: does the grub boot menu show on both drives when booting? |
| 06:52.26 | albo | valdyn: no, on the new drive. it gets to GRUB then stops |
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| 06:53.02 | valdyn | albo: you ran grub-install on that drive how? while the other drive as plugged in aswell? |
| 06:53.11 | valdyn | s/as/was/ |
| 06:53.18 | albo | valdyn: yes, but chrooted into it |
| 06:53.25 | mango | Dasnipa...How about the hidden file..can I still copy?...( |
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| 06:53.57 | Dasnipa` | if you are root, then you would have access to copy them yes |
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| 06:54.05 | Dasnipa` | since root is 'super user' |
| 06:54.08 | xcrash | valdyn, and it saves my changes to the xorg.conf |
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| 06:54.36 | valdyn | albo: that cannot 'just work' as grub was installed while the drive was 'sdb' and is now 'sda' |
| 06:54.55 | xcrash | but the resolution is set to 1024x768 in the config file |
| 06:54.58 | albo | valdyn: hdd = new hdc = old |
| 06:54.59 | mango | Dasnipa:...what I meant was if i copied the hidden files, would I still run into the same problem? |
| 06:55.06 | albo | valdyn:i see. how to work around ? |
| 06:55.22 | Dasnipa` | oh, i couldnt say but that may be a good starting place |
| 06:55.42 | mango | Dasnipa...I will try it...thanks |
| 06:55.55 | valdyn | albo: use the debian install cd or a boot floppy or a livecd, have *only* your 'broken' disk plugged in, chroot from there, grub-install.. |
| 06:56.13 | albo | valdyn: cool |
| 06:56.30 | Om | If I use 'i8kfan' to force my cpu fan to turn off (as it was refusing to turn off otherwise, even with very low load, and with the cpu temp right down), then how can I make sure that when the load *is* high again that it will come on? I have a Latitude C600, etch with a custom kernel |
| 06:56.35 | syntaxx | im trying to run splashy but it says splashy is not running... no command can be sent anyone knows? |
| 06:56.55 | albo | valdyn: should i need to mount /proc in the chroot? |
| 06:57.01 | valdyn | albo: now, you probably shouldnt use a 2.6.x boot disk, but one with a 2.4.x kernel as is the one you are going to use |
| 06:57.18 | valdyn | albo: no idea, not like that is hard to do however |
| 06:57.20 | albo | valdyn: yah |
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| 06:58.42 | valdyn | Om: you cannot do that reliably, its insane to rely on your computer not crashing / getting locked up |
| 06:59.03 | marty__ | does anyone have any advice as to using a 4th generation ipod (as an ipod rather than a harddrive) through debian? |
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| 06:59.53 | doleyb | !ipod |
| 06:59.54 | dpkg | from memory, ipod is a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
| 06:59.55 | marty__ | i keep running into problems with the iTunesDB file |
| 07:00.15 | slackd00d | anyone here ever got and "Bad EIP Value" "Kernel panis: tried to kill init" error when trying to boot a net-install cd? |
| 07:00.44 | Om | valdyn, sorry not quite with you. I already have used i8kfan to force it off (as it was stuck on, happened before) |
| 07:01.35 | venger | slackd00d: i'd suspect the media or the cd trying to read the burn |
| 07:01.37 | valdyn | Om: right, forcing your fan to do anything is risking your computer.. |
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| 07:02.32 | slackd00d | venger: it happens with all distros...and ive tried 2 diffrent cdrom drives |
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| 07:02.36 | Om | Ah... Do you know how I can force it back to be automatic? Preferably without rebooting :) |
| 07:02.49 | valdyn | slackd00d: broken hardware |
| 07:02.57 | jeff_ | I would like to use sed to uncomment lines in sources.list that start with # deb, but not ones containing a certain string |
| 07:03.06 | slackd00d | that sucks....now i "have" to run windows |
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| 07:03.26 | venger | valdyn: or bad media slackd00d can you boot it on another computer |
| 07:03.29 | jeff_ | I am using sed -e /'# deb '/s/'# '/''/g /etc/apt/sources.list to uncomment every repository |
| 07:03.41 | valdyn | venger: yea but hes claiming that it happens with all distros |
| 07:03.44 | jeff_ | But how can I exclude lines that contain a certian word, like backports |
| 07:04.01 | valdyn | enyc: and? its a problem? |
| 07:04.17 | enyc | valdyn: errrrrr not sure -- dont appear to ahve any key misbehaviour |
| 07:04.25 | enyc | valdyn: I just keep getting those silly messages [! |
| 07:04.27 | enyc | ] |
| 07:04.46 | valdyn | enyc: just ignore them iirc |
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| 07:05.16 | factor | where can I find the unstable version of libmp3lame I had gotten the stable version but I need the unstable version. |
| 07:05.39 | valdyn | enyc: kerneltrap.org has some howto about 2.6 kernel and the new input layer related bugs in 2.6.x, the one you're seeing isnt anything to worry about iirc |
| 07:05.46 | valdyn | !mouse 2.6 |
| 07:05.46 | dpkg | it has been said that mouse 2.6 is see: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199 |
| 07:05.52 | valdyn | enyc: ^^^ |
| 07:06.13 | factor | !libmp3lame |
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| 07:06.52 | enyc | hrrrm this tulip keyboard is unusual feel to me.. not bad to use really.. but I think I'll get my ibm 1391406 on the system again anyway ;-) |
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| 07:08.47 | chealer | factor, I don't think such a package exists |
| 07:09.05 | factor | unstable you mean? |
| 07:09.14 | chealer | in any release |
| 07:09.26 | factor | it is used by audacity |
| 07:09.31 | valdyn | factor: what's wrong with marillat? |
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| 07:10.35 | albo | valdyn: i cant mount /dev/hdc1 in the cd |
| 07:10.47 | albo | valdyn: its possible the cd named the dev differently? |
| 07:11.11 | valdyn | albo: sure, particularily if it is using a 2.6.x kernel |
| 07:11.24 | albo | valdyn: no its 2.4.27 just like all others |
| 07:11.36 | albo | i hate not having less |
| 07:11.43 | albo | grep |
| 07:13.23 | mwilson | albo: CD's don't have partitions. |
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| 07:16.01 | liable | albo: try /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun1/part1 (or try different numbers..) |
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| 07:17.15 | liable | albo: mount that on a dir you have made ie /mnt/rescue or something.. |
| 07:17.37 | syntaxx | how to set framebuffer in grub? |
| 07:18.01 | liable | vga=xxx at the end of your kernel line.. |
| 07:18.44 | syntaxx | liable: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro vga=795? |
| 07:18.54 | liable | yeah |
| 07:19.09 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
| 07:22.32 | albo | liable: there is no scsi in dev on that debian minimal install cd |
| 07:23.01 | liable | albo: seeing as you have your drives named hd, try /dev/ide. |
| 07:23.22 | albo | liable: just did,also no |
| 07:24.04 | albo | liable: meaning they are not in /dev but should i try to mount them regardless ? |
| 07:24.13 | liable | albo: dunno then, what your drives are.. |
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| 07:25.14 | liable | albo: if there not there, you cant mount them, poke around in /dev |
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| 07:26.11 | albo | liable: shouldnt dmesg tell me right away ? |
| 07:26.46 | liable | have a look, dunno, i havent had to do it for a while. |
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| 07:28.26 | Phr0zenKore | hi all, i have this weird problem, my router blocks pings and nowhere i can set it, can anybody help? i have a Thomson Speedtouch SomeSerialNumber(dunnowhich) |
| 07:29.22 | peterS | Phr0zenKore: those things often have a web config interface at http://192.168.0.1/ or similar |
| 07:29.54 | Phr0zenKore | yeah peterS but that's the problem, i can't find a setting to change the blocking of pings |
| 07:30.13 | peterS | Phr0zenKore: shoulda bought a regular DSL modem, I guess, and done the "routing" on your linux box |
| 07:30.40 | Phr0zenKore | it's my fathers internet connection and he's a major n00b |
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| 07:31.31 | peterS | I'm glad I didn't buy a closed-source NAT "router" box, is all I can say |
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| 07:32.26 | Phr0zenKore | yea well where do i set the ping property in that weird rotuer? |
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| 07:38.18 | rss | peterS: thank you. |
| 07:38.47 | peterS | Phr0zenKore: many IRC servers try to check your ident server, and only when that responds, or after a long timeout to make sure it's not going to, they proceed to connect you |
| 07:38.49 | nimak | dont a lot of the intel cards lack opengl support? |
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| 07:39.46 | peterS | Phr0zenKore: so if you do run an ident server (something that will answer on port 113 of your public IP address and give the server some idea of who is connecting, when it asks), your IRC connection process will go faster |
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| 07:40.16 | peterS | Phr0zenKore: 'apt-cache search rfc 1413' for a list of debian ident servers |
| 07:40.25 | bartden | hi, how can i get all my special function keycodes on my acer laptop so i can add them in a hotkeys file ?? |
| 07:40.29 | nimak | i'm plugging in my PCMCIA wifi card, and lspci doesnt say anything |
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| 07:40.51 | nimak | is something broken? |
| 07:41.06 | peterS | nimak: you may need the cardbus controller driver to be loaded. I forget what that normally is - 'yenta' maybe? |
| 07:41.18 | nimak | its loaded |
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| 07:41.52 | nimak | how can i check? |
| 07:41.54 | DjAsterix | hi all |
| 07:42.12 | peterS | also, lspci will only show 32-bit ("cardbus") cards, not 16-bit ("pcmcia") cards - so are you sure your wifi card is 32-bit? |
| 07:42.25 | nimak | no idea |
| 07:42.30 | nimak | its a DWL-650 |
| 07:42.41 | peterS | yeah, I've no idea either. I don't even own a laptop, much less a wifi card |
| 07:42.58 | peterS | I imagine all newish wifi cards are 32-bit but nobody ever really told me that |
| 07:43.18 | DjAsterix | I have a problem, you can help me? |
| 07:43.30 | DjAsterix | gcc es001.c |
| 07:43.30 | DjAsterix | es001.c:2:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
| 07:43.31 | DjAsterix | es001.c:3: error: syntax error before ‘main’ |
| 07:43.31 | DjAsterix | es001.c: In function ‘main’: |
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| 07:43.48 | peterS | DJ-KING: aptitude install build-essential |
| 07:43.54 | peterS | errrr |
| 07:43.58 | peterS | DjAsterix: aptitude install build-essential |
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| 07:44.39 | DjAsterix | ok, thanks peters |
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| 07:44.58 | peterS | !qotd49 |
| 07:44.58 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 07:45.11 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 07:45.21 | peterS | one of my favorites |
| 07:46.43 | SimonRaven | you see stdio.h missing, you just *know* libc6-dev is missing ;) |
| 07:46.48 | peterS | yep |
| 07:46.57 | peterS | and rather than install that you may as well get all of b-e. |
| 07:47.04 | SimonRaven | yeh |
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| 07:48.11 | SimonRaven | peterS: took 500+ MB of updates to get it to current sid... O_O |
| 07:48.31 | peterS | SimonRaven: oh dear (: |
| 07:48.44 | SimonRaven | i'll get some ram for it if i have money left over |
| 07:49.11 | nimak | i cant calibrate my touchscreen, one of the files wont compile |
| 07:49.18 | mo1991 | can anyopne help me with the wlan-ng drivers? I have compiled the modules for my kernel but it still does not seem to be working. Modprobe wlan0 gives me - modules prism2_cs loaded with warning - but does not show up in iwconfig |
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| 07:49.44 | SimonRaven | is it present in lsmod? |
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| 07:50.07 | unique311 | anybody up? |
| 07:50.17 | SimonRaven | no. sitting |
| 07:50.27 | DjAsterix | peters il have istalled gcc e glibc...why he dosn't work? |
| 07:50.42 | DjAsterix | why he does not work?* |
| 07:50.42 | unique311 | i'm dedicating 30GB to a debian install...any recomendations on how to partition this? |
| 07:50.50 | peterS | DjAsterix: I told you, install 'build-essential'. that will include the package you really need, which is 'libc6-dev' |
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| 07:51.14 | DjAsterix | ok |
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| 07:52.35 | bartden | hi, someone here who knows a program that registers every keyboard press and shows witch keycode it uses ?? |
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| 07:52.59 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 07:53.13 | bartden | ? |
| 07:53.13 | Dasnipa` | partitioning is really up to you |
| 07:53.20 | unique311 | i know |
| 07:53.22 | nimak | peterS: my card is 16bit |
| 07:53.25 | cahoot | bartden: xev (in x) |
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| 07:53.35 | unique311 | but i would really appreciate some suggestions. |
| 07:53.36 | nimak | peterS: my card is 16bit? |
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| 07:53.50 | nimak | whoops |
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| 07:53.55 | unique311 | from the experience |
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| 07:54.03 | nimak | i meant to say how do i check for it |
| 07:54.05 | Dasnipa` | use 1.5 to 2x your ram for swap space then its sometimes nice to have a small root partition and the bulk in /home |
| 07:54.07 | sysctl2 | i have a problem removing a file |
| 07:54.24 | peterS | nimak: I don't know why you expect me to know this, after I already said <peterS> yeah, I've no idea either. I don't even own a laptop, much less a wifi card <peterS> I imagine all newish wifi cards are 32-bit but nobody ever really told me that |
| 07:54.24 | sysctl2 | rm /usr/bin/pan --> operation not permitted |
| 07:54.25 | bartden | cahoot, BUT IT DOESNT WORK FOR FUNCTION KEYS |
| 07:54.31 | Dasnipa` | and also a /boot partition is generally typical |
| 07:54.33 | sysctl2 | as root |
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| 07:54.33 | bartden | sry for cap |
| 07:54.36 | peterS | nimak: do you have the 16-bit pcmcia controller driver loaded? |
| 07:54.56 | unique311 | 3 partitions. |
| 07:54.57 | cahoot | bartden: does here |
| 07:55.03 | peterS | nimak: that'll be 'i82365' or 'tcic' normally, I think, but I am not really up-to-date on that stuff |
| 07:55.08 | sysctl2 | ls -la /usr/bin/pan --> ?r--r----x |
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| 07:55.13 | nimak | sorry, i lack a short term memory :-) |
| 07:55.15 | sysctl2 | unknow file type |
| 07:55.16 | lpz | is there someone here whois using firefox who is happy with his fonts and is willing to share the configuration with me PLEASE? |
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| 07:55.24 | sysctl2 | how can remove it? |
| 07:55.30 | peterS | nimak: what does lspci say about PCMCIA controllers? |
| 07:55.31 | bartden | mm k cahoot |
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| 07:55.59 | peterS | nimak: I suppose it says you have a cardbus bridge, but does it say you have a PCMCIA bridge as well? |
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| 07:56.07 | mo1991 | anyone help with wlan-ng here? Says prism2cs_init: dev_info is:prism2_cs |
| 07:56.13 | nimak | nothing about pcmcia |
| 07:56.14 | mo1991 | no iwconfig settings tho |
| 07:56.30 | SimonRaven | you expecting it to autoconf? |
| 07:56.40 | liable | bartden: is this a laptop? |
| 07:56.54 | mo1991 | no- should show up at least tho with iwconfig shouldn't it? |
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| 07:57.08 | bartden | liable yes |
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| 07:57.17 | DjAsterix | fabio@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ cc es001.c |
| 07:57.17 | DjAsterix | fabio@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ |
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| 07:57.23 | SimonRaven | if it's the same as ifconfig, then i don't think so |
| 07:57.26 | DjAsterix | peters ok, |
| 07:57.30 | peterS | nimak: or, like, does it say you have a "Cirrus Logic CL 6729" for example? |
| 07:57.58 | liable | bartden: then check out tuxmobil.org and google, to see if theres any programs to get them to work. |
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| 07:58.10 | SimonRaven | at least not with an ip on it |
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| 07:58.14 | DjAsterix | how never does not exit me the result? |
| 07:58.32 | bartden | i got a part working with hotkeys, but dont know all the keycodes |
| 07:58.34 | nimak | Texas Instruments PCI1450 |
| 07:58.37 | peterS | DjAsterix: if you get no output, it means the command succeeded. you now have an executable called a.out |
| 07:58.42 | SimonRaven | DjAsterix: um, it did. exit 0 = success. this is unix |
| 07:59.11 | peterS | nimak: yeah that's your 32-bit cardbus bridge |
| 07:59.21 | peterS | nimak: the one covered by the yenta driver, that is |
| 07:59.38 | nimak | so |
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| 07:59.53 | peterS | nimak: so if lspci doesn't say anything about a 16-bit PCMCIA bridge, I suppose you have an ISA-based one |
| 08:00.15 | DjAsterix | it has been created to me a.out, as I make to execute a.out? |
| 08:00.16 | nimak | Intel Corp. 82440MX ISA Bridge? |
| 08:00.45 | SimonRaven | DjAsterix: this is why you usually specify the name with -o |
| 08:00.50 | peterS | nimak: that's not the PCMCIA bridge, but the PCMCIA chip might be connected *through* that |
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| 08:01.06 | peterS | nimak: I'm guessing it'll be i82365 or pcic, but there might be others |
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| 08:01.24 | peterS | nimak: and I don't know how to tell, since those chips don't seem to have ISA-plug-n-play information |
| 08:01.36 | peterS | at least, no such information is known to the kernel |
| 08:01.37 | FroSeN | . |
| 08:01.44 | znh | I'd like to automaticly boot the X server each time debian starts, is this possible? |
| 08:01.45 | peterS | nimak: you can try loading each of those modules and see if anything interesting happens |
| 08:01.52 | peterS | znh: install the 'xdm' package |
| 08:02.05 | nimak | this is one of the weirdest computers i've ever worked with |
| 08:02.12 | DjAsterix | I have not understood |
| 08:02.14 | znh | peterS, I dont want that |
| 08:02.22 | nimak | its a toughbook CF-M34 |
| 08:02.29 | peterS | znh: that's how you start an X server at boot time. what did you want to do, again? |
| 08:03.01 | znh | peterS, I'd like to start the X server automaticly while booting.. I dont want a user login manager |
| 08:03.23 | DjAsterix | I must rename the file.o? |
| 08:03.34 | SimonRaven | init script that runs a user's startx session |
| 08:03.34 | peterS | znh: why not? that's what xdm does. do you mean you don't want an explicit login box? you'd rather just automatically log in as some predefined user, with no password required? |
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| 08:03.47 | peterS | DjAsterix: if you do 'cc foo.c' you will end up with a file a.out which is your executable file |
| 08:03.55 | peterS | DjAsterix: if you don't want it to be named a.out you should use the -o option to cc |
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| 08:03.59 | SimonRaven | but that would suck |
| 08:04.06 | znh | peterS, I just want debian to 'startx' when debian boots |
| 08:04.18 | znh | not a user login manager.. |
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| 08:04.26 | peterS | znh: you can configure xdm to log in automatically as some predefined user, I believe. at least, you can with gdm, I think you can with xdm |
| 08:04.57 | znh | peterS, aigght.. |
| 08:05.00 | mo1991 | peterS can you recommend someone in here who is knowledgable on wlan-ng drivers. Someone helped me the other day on my desktop wifi card and they were very helpful, but can't remember who it was |
| 08:05.27 | peterS | mo1991: I can't think who is knowledgeable about this stuff. I normally ignore those questions entirely since I don't know anything about wifi |
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| 08:08.17 | strat | anyone know if its possible to set up streamtuner to use shoutcast internet tv..like winamp has..?? |
| 08:09.03 | znh | strat, I am not known with streamtuner; but have you checked out man streamtuner? |
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| 08:10.50 | DjAsterix | ahh, I have understood, cc name source - or eseguibile name, then I make ./nome eseguibile and the result exits me. thanks!!, me has helped a lot!! |
| 08:11.14 | strat | not yet..streamtuners ripping right now and it just crossed my minf if i could do it or not.. |
| 08:11.19 | DjAsterix | cc name source - o eseguibile name* |
| 08:11.39 | DjAsterix | thanks! |
| 08:11.55 | DjAsterix | :-) |
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| 08:13.00 | MustangMatt | Does anyone know what aacraid names it's devices? |
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| 08:13.18 | roboo | hi. |
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| 08:13.53 | Soots | hello |
| 08:14.21 | Soots | what is the apt-get command for Gtk? |
| 08:14.25 | peterS | man, that's one confused italian |
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| 08:14.45 | peterS | Soots: packages that need it get it installed automatically, so you don't have to worry about it |
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| 08:15.00 | peterS | Soots: unless you're compiling something from source, in which case our normal first question is why |
| 08:15.01 | znh | peterS, I think he just wants it :) |
| 08:15.08 | Soots | ok, whats the xchat2 apt-get? |
| 08:15.29 | znh | Soots, apt-cache search xchat and you'll see ;) |
| 08:15.33 | peterS | 'apt-cache show xchat' shows xchat version 2.4.5-2 on unstable. is that close enough? |
| 08:15.37 | MustangMatt | Anyone interested in guiding me through migrating from software mdadm raid to hardware aacraid? I'm not feeling super confident about this process. |
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| 08:17.38 | MustangMatt | I've installed an IDE drive temporarily to move the data to. Then I'll setup the drives on the adaptec controller and create the hardware raid. Assuming I still boot after breaking the software raid. As long as I match the partition sizes exactly can I dd from the current software raid to the IDE drive? |
| 08:17.40 | peterS | MustangMatt: I rather doubt it can be done without backup/restore of your filesystems at the least |
| 08:17.43 | Soots | ok, how do i get GUI? |
| 08:18.00 | MustangMatt | peterS: I do have a backup (rsnapshot) just in case. |
| 08:18.10 | nkuttler | Soots: kde or gnome or something else? |
| 08:18.19 | peterS | MustangMatt: well, I mean you can't just convert a hard drive in-place from software raid to adaptec hardware raid. if you have separate hard drives that's fine |
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| 08:18.45 | MustangMatt | peterS: Right that's why I installed the IDE drive temporarily to get things running on while I break the raid and setup the new one. |
| 08:18.59 | MustangMatt | peterS: I'm just not sure the best way to migrate to the IDE drive and then to the new raid. |
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| 08:19.19 | MustangMatt | Also I added aacraid to /etc/modules but I'm not sure if that was necessary. |
| 08:20.00 | Spliffster | rom: is there a utility to detect the capabilities of my ide hdd ? |
| 08:20.09 | peterS | MustangMatt: as for the aacraid module, that's a matter for the kernel initrd to handle. making sure mkinitrd puts aacraid into your initrd is a bit annoying and nerve-wracking |
| 08:20.28 | peterS | MustangMatt: as for copying data, how many filesystems have you got on the software raid drives? |
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| 08:21.12 | Spliffster | can anyone help me with this ? i am havin trouble with my ide drive and i am looking for a utility to find yout what it is and what it is capable of |
| 08:21.52 | obontu | hello, how can i set different backgrounds for my virtual desktops? |
| 08:21.55 | MustangMatt | peterS: http://pastebin.com/386910 |
| 08:22.19 | MustangMatt | Spliffster: A lot of times it's easier to pull the drive and plug numbers into google. |
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| 08:22.35 | Spliffster | MustangMatt, i am lazy ... no it a laptop |
| 08:22.49 | Spliffster | ok, will shut it down then ... argh my uptime :P |
| 08:22.50 | Masonary | Hey guys, im pretty new to debian (not linux), and have just installed iptables. It seems that iptables is automaticaly started now at boot, without me having to add it to a runlevel manualy. I cant find where it is being started from. Anyone point me in the right direction (also, how do I add stuff to be started during boot, or in a given runlevel?) |
| 08:23.00 | MustangMatt | Spliffster: In that case, if it's the original drive just plug the laptop make/model into google. |
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| 08:23.06 | obontu | is this even possible? |
| 08:23.20 | Spliffster | good idead, MustangMatt. ty |
| 08:23.23 | peterS | MustangMatt: so you have md0 and md1, and md1 is a degraded mirror (with only one copy available, from sdb3) |
| 08:23.31 | obontu | .. |
| 08:23.36 | peterS | MustangMatt: md0 is very small, what is it? /boot? |
| 08:23.54 | MustangMatt | peterS: Yes md1 degrades every time I reboot thus one of the reasons I'm switching to hardware raid. Yes md0 is boot |
| 08:24.27 | MustangMatt | peterS: I added /etc/fstab to pastebin if that helps. |
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| 08:25.06 | peterS | MustangMatt: so md0 is /boot and md1 is /. I guess you'll want to do the same thing on the hardware raid? easy enough to do the same on your temp IDE drive anyway. So. cfdisk /dev/hda and create a tiny partition for /boot and the rest for your temporary root filesystem |
| 08:25.12 | Soots | ok, im getting kde, it will take about 2 hours, does this soung right? about 700mb unpacked i think it said |
| 08:25.12 | marc7 | can anybody suggest how I'd be able to go about installing the sarge or etch base-system after I've booted up into this environment? |
| 08:25.16 | nkuttler | Masonary: look into /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 08:25.37 | MustangMatt | peterS: Exactly. Setting up /dev/hda now. |
| 08:25.39 | marc7 | hmm, i don't even think that pasted properly, sorry if I'm going to be repeating here |
| 08:25.48 | Masonary | nkuttler, it doesnt exist |
| 08:25.51 | nkuttler | Masonary: you may want to read man update-rc.d as well |
| 08:25.51 | peterS | MustangMatt: then 'mke2fs /dev/hda1' and 'mke2fs /dev/hda2' (or hda5 if you use a logical partition rather than primary) |
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| 08:26.32 | session | How can I check for a firewall on my debian box? |
| 08:26.46 | peterS | MustangMatt: let me know when you've caught up, we'll continue |
| 08:26.49 | nkuttler | Masonary: /usr/share/doc/iptables/ |
| 08:26.54 | Masonary | nkuttler, reading the man page now, but that init script (iptables) does not exist, hence not knwing where iptables is being started from. I know its started, iptables -nL gives output |
| 08:27.12 | MustangMatt | peterS: Do the hda partitions need to be the exact same size or >= to sda |
| 08:27.13 | Dasnipa` | session, just have a portscan done |
| 08:27.19 | session | ok |
| 08:27.25 | peterS | MustangMatt: doesn't matter so long as they're big enough to hold your data |
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| 08:27.38 | Masonary | nkuttler, ahh, ok getting used to debain init scripts now, just a different setup to get used to |
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| 08:27.54 | peterS | MustangMatt: you're not gonna be making bit-for-bit identical copies anyway, there's not much point. just copying files is so much simpler |
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| 08:28.59 | MustangMatt | peterS: Excellent almost done. |
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| 08:29.29 | session | apt-get install gives me : E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 08:29.29 | session | E: Unable to lock the download directory |
| 08:29.29 | peterS | MustangMatt: so like I said, 'mke2fs' both of your new partitions. you could use 'mke2fs -j' for ext3, but you probably don't particularly have to |
| 08:30.19 | znh | Wahoo! my mp3 laptop is finished now! |
| 08:30.21 | nkuttler | session: is there another apt-get running? |
| 08:30.25 | znh | and that all with 120mhz :) |
| 08:30.29 | peterS | MustangMatt: come to think of it, use the same filesystem you're already using for your current root partition. if that's ext3, then use mke2fs -j. that makes it easier to verify that the initrd will work ok |
| 08:30.43 | session | nkuttler,: no |
| 08:31.15 | nkuttler | session: um, you're root, yes? |
| 08:31.16 | MustangMatt | peterS: okay it's finishing up in just a moment as ext3 on both hda partitions. |
| 08:31.36 | session | nkuttler,: yes |
| 08:31.36 | peterS | MustangMatt: ok now to copy the data. 'mount /dev/hda2 /mnt; cp -ax / /mnt' |
| 08:31.47 | peterS | MustangMatt: where hda2 == hda5 if you used a logical partition, etc. |
| 08:31.59 | peterS | MustangMatt: that'll take awhile, it's your whole root partition |
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| 08:32.37 | MustangMatt | peterS: Okay it's running. I guess I can do the same for boot on a different mount point. |
| 08:33.02 | peterS | MustangMatt: you can, but once it has copied a /mnt/boot into place you may as well 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/boot' and then 'cd /boot; cp -ax . /mnt/boot' |
| 08:33.06 | nkuttler | session: what does ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/lock say? |
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| 08:33.27 | peterS | MustangMatt: the reason for the cd is because the obvious command 'cp -ax /boot /mnt/boot' would create a /mnt/boot/boot |
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| 08:33.39 | session | nkuttler,: -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 Oct 8 10:34 /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
| 08:34.20 | peterS | MustangMatt: though now that I think of it, 'cp -ax /boot/. /mnt/boot/' would work too, and doesn't require a 'cd' |
| 08:34.29 | peterS | the trailing /. is semi-magic |
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| 08:34.44 | peterS | (yes, "slashdot" occasionally has its uses) |
| 08:34.52 | MustangMatt | peterS: I just umount /mnt and mounted hda1 on /mnt and copied boot. |
| 08:34.53 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:34.57 | MustangMatt | peterS: both are finished. |
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| 08:35.24 | nkuttler | session: odd |
| 08:35.28 | peterS | MustangMatt: ok, well, you want those two mounted on top of each other. so re-mount them in the right order, /mnt and /mnt/boot, so you can fix the boot loader |
| 08:35.29 | MustangMatt | peterS: df reports the correct disk usage on both partitions. |
| 08:35.33 | peterS | good, good |
| 08:35.34 | session | nkuttler: yes |
| 08:35.55 | MustangMatt | peterS: done. |
| 08:36.05 | MustangMatt | peterS: I'm using grub |
| 08:36.07 | peterS | MustangMatt: now for the fun part. chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
| 08:36.11 | session | nkuttler: think rebooting will help? |
| 08:36.21 | peterS | MustangMatt: as of now, inside the chroot environment, it's as though the IDE drive *were* your root drive |
| 08:36.26 | nkuttler | session: you not an a ro partition? what happens if you remove the lock? |
| 08:36.42 | MustangMatt | peterS: No complaints so we're doing good. Do I just run grub at this point? |
| 08:36.42 | peterS | MustangMatt: first order of business, 'mount /proc' because, you know, that's useful to have around |
| 08:37.06 | session | nkuttler: How do I remove the lock? |
| 08:37.06 | peterS | MustangMatt: you can run 'grub-install /dev/hda', yeah |
| 08:37.10 | nkuttler | session: rm? |
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| 08:37.17 | MustangMatt | peterS: One sec, I need to be logging this irc session (I have another server to do next hehe) |
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| 08:37.24 | session | nkuttler: :) |
| 08:37.25 | peterS | heh |
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| 08:37.49 | peterS | MustangMatt: the other thing you need to do is fix /etc/fstab to use /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2 |
| 08:38.08 | MustangMatt | peterS: Darn I don't think this client does logging. I'll just keep notes. |
| 08:38.09 | peterS | MustangMatt: otherwise when you reboot, which you will do soon, fsck will complain a lot about not being able to find your filesystems, etc. |
| 08:38.20 | session | nkuttler: It works. |
| 08:38.31 | session | nkuttler: But still strange |
| 08:38.42 | session | :) |
| 08:38.43 | peterS | MustangMatt: (this /etc/fstab is still inside the chroot shell, naturally) |
| 08:38.43 | marc7 | so i'm pretty sure nobody caught my first set of messages because I my connectivity was screwed up |
| 08:39.06 | marc7 | oh never mind, i've got something else to try that will take up another hour |
| 08:40.08 | MustangMatt | peterS: Right. done. I just copied and pasted the two fstab lines and replaced md0 with hda1 and md1 with hda2 |
| 08:40.46 | peterS | MustangMatt: right. I'm not entirely sure whether /boot/grub/menu.lst needs any editing. it refers to bios numbered disks, which *might* not change. |
| 08:40.54 | MustangMatt | peterS: I'll take a peek |
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| 08:41.36 | peterS | MustangMatt: so like (hd0,0) means first partition on first hard disk seen by the bios. you'll have to figure out whether that needs to change, based on whether your adaptec raid card exposes "drives" to the bios |
| 08:41.43 | MustangMatt | peterS: hmmm menu.1st doesn't exist. |
| 08:41.58 | peterS | MustangMatt: does /boot/grub exist? |
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| 08:42.02 | cahoot | MustangMatt: L not 1 |
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| 08:42.23 | peterS | MustangMatt: oh yeah, lst is short for "list" not "first", as cahoot said |
| 08:42.25 | MustangMatt | peterS: Yes the directory exists and menu.lst exists on the non chroot installation. |
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| 08:42.47 | zoghome | whats the best-debian-practice to recreate /dev/ on a new partition, I'm migrating my sarge to a new HD |
| 08:42.52 | mo1991 | any help with wlan - lsmod shows prism2_cs but wlan0 does not show up with iwconfig |
| 08:43.01 | usn_router | hi folx |
| 08:43.01 | mo1991 | even though the module is loaded |
| 08:43.02 | mo1991 | ? |
| 08:43.09 | session | Does debian come with a firewall installed from the net install? |
| 08:43.42 | peterS | session: not active by default, no |
| 08:43.45 | znh | session, a package filter? |
| 08:43.58 | peterS | MustangMatt: cp -ax should have copied files as well as directories - if it didn't that's pretty strange |
| 08:44.21 | MustangMatt | peterS: I have two ssh sessions open. Only the one I ran chroot in will be chrooted correct? |
| 08:44.40 | peterS | MustangMatt: correct, chroot is one of those things processes inherit from their parents |
| 08:44.42 | MustangMatt | peterS: Could the grub-install have wiped it? |
| 08:44.53 | enyc | sess: note that you dont really need a ''firewall'' setup normally.... |
| 08:45.12 | enyc | sess: unless you start potentially-vulnerable services etc. |
| 08:45.12 | session | the point it that I can enter my ftp server and html server from inside the network. Outside will not work. My router has a firewall, and I have opened the ports 20 21 and 80. Still not reaching the servers from outside the network.. |
| 08:45.21 | peterS | MustangMatt: it shouldn't have done. btw, you might do something like 'touch /THIS_IS_HDA2' inside the chrooted shell, so you can keep straight which root filesystem is which |
| 08:45.39 | MustangMatt | peterS: Wait a sec. Something odd might be going on... I have a /boot/boot in my chrooted area. |
| 08:45.40 | enyc | sess: note that FTP is more complex than a direct port-fwd |
| 08:45.46 | peterS | MustangMatt: (then 'ls /' to see whether you are in the chroot or not) |
| 08:45.52 | enyc | sess: needs stateful-firewall in-short |
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| 08:45.59 | enyc | sess: and port-20 is not-needed etc. |
| 08:46.09 | peterS | MustangMatt: sometimes /boot/boot is a symlink to /boot, for grub's edification. this might be true in your case - it's a harmless and sometimes necessary link |
| 08:46.21 | liable | mo1991: are there other modules loaded too? or just the one? |
| 08:46.30 | zoghome | what needs to be in place on /dev/ to boot sarge before it mounts /dev/ as tmpfs? |
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| 08:46.35 | MustangMatt | well /boot/boot contains /grub/menu.lst |
| 08:46.39 | session | enyc: but what about apache? Why can't I reach the start page? |
| 08:46.42 | enyc | peter: well, this means grub.conf can say /boot/kernel.img sort of thing.... |
| 08:46.54 | peterS | MustangMatt: oh, did you do 'cp -ax /boot /mnt' rather than 'cp -ax /boot/. /mnt' ? |
| 08:46.54 | enyc | sess: not sure ;-) depends on setup of the various bits of network-equipment/routing |
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| 08:47.11 | MustangMatt | peterS: Ah I bet I did. |
| 08:47.17 | enyc | sess: have you tried attaching the debian-box directly to a real-world-routable-IP-address ? |
| 08:47.34 | rendi | hi what ident server for irc guy's |
| 08:47.36 | peterS | MustangMatt: so, you can mv /boot/boot/* /boot/ then, and rmdir /boot/boot |
| 08:48.02 | peterS | rendi: apt-cache search rfc 1413 |
| 08:48.02 | liable | mo1991: if not you might want to run depmod -A |
| 08:48.14 | peterS | rendi: debian has lots of ident servers to choose from |
| 08:48.17 | enyc | pete: this way.... grub can be setup on the / partition or its' own /boot partition and always have the entries in grub.conf refer to /boot anyway [since grub sees files with respect to its' specified root()] |
| 08:48.18 | session | enyc: No. Not possible here |
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| 08:48.25 | rendi | no |
| 08:48.29 | rendi | for this |
| 08:48.30 | rendi | your domain are required to respond to identd requests in order to connect to DALnet. |
| 08:48.39 | peterS | rendi: apt-cache search rfc 1413 |
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| 08:48.44 | peterS | rendi: debian has lots of ident servers to choose from |
| 08:48.51 | enyc | sess: well.. who administers the NAPT-translation-box [??] |
| 08:48.58 | rendi | most use for irc |
| 08:49.00 | session | enyc: I do |
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| 08:49.14 | session | enyc: I can try dmz |
| 08:49.22 | rendi | i don't have time for read give me just 1 example |
| 08:49.22 | MustangMatt | peterS: Do I need to re-run grub-install /dev/hda? |
| 08:49.24 | peterS | rendi: I won't repeat myself again. either do the 'apt-cache search' or don't do it, but that is what you need |
| 08:49.41 | peterS | MustangMatt: yes, I think you probably do |
| 08:49.42 | rendi | doh |
| 08:49.44 | enyc | sess: right... do you have ipcop or something for the NAPT ?? |
| 08:49.52 | MustangMatt | peterS: /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 08:50.08 | MustangMatt | peterS: Odd it worked the first time. |
| 08:50.21 | session | enyc: No |
| 08:50.26 | peterS | MustangMatt: that is odd. is that a warning or an error? |
| 08:50.34 | enyc | sess: hrrrm... iptables setup ipchains setup?? what code is running the NAPT? |
| 08:50.44 | rendi | thanks |
| 08:50.52 | peterS | MustangMatt: if I remember correctly, grub can deal with drives moving around after the fact, so I don't think it should *need* to know which bios drive is which |
| 08:50.55 | session | enyc: Iptables |
| 08:50.58 | MustangMatt | peterS: I'm not entirely sure. It seems like a warning, but when I ran it the first time it took several seconds to run whereas this comes back instantly. |
| 08:51.17 | enyc | sess: well can you paste your iptables setup to me ? |
| 08:51.21 | peterS | MustangMatt: interesting. do you know right now whether the bios will enumerate the raid drives first or the IDE drive first? |
| 08:51.47 | MustangMatt | peterS: I'm not sure because they're sata. I would *think* ide first. |
| 08:51.48 | peterS | MustangMatt: I assume it'll get the IDE drive first, then run the bios extension in the adaptec card, which will add the two raid partitions as additional drives |
| 08:52.21 | peterS | MustangMatt: anyway, if that's what it will do, you can tell grub-install to treat /dev/hda as the first bios drive (ID 0x80, or hd0, whatever it wants to hear) |
| 08:52.31 | MustangMatt | peterS: menu.lst doesn't mention any hda drives. Do I need to just modify the appropriate lines from md0 and md1 to hda1 and hda2? |
| 08:52.34 | peterS | MustangMatt: I forget the invocation syntax of grub-install, but I think you can force this at the command line |
| 08:52.51 | peterS | MustangMatt: yes, the places where it says root=/dev/md1 you need to say root=/dev/hda2 instead, in menu.lst |
| 08:54.22 | peterS | MustangMatt: oh, you might want 'grub-install --recheck' to have it build a new device map. that'll be /boot/grub/device.map |
| 08:54.29 | MustangMatt | peterS: Done. Reboot and cross my fingers? I guess I could simply unplug the sata drives. If everything we did is correct it shouldn't need them anymore. If it successfully boots I can then shutdown and hook the sata drives up to the new controller. |
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| 08:54.35 | peterS | I mean that'll build a new /boot/grub/device.map which contains a mapping of drives to bios drives |
| 08:54.53 | peterS | MustangMatt: that's the idea. let me think for a second whether we're forgetting anything |
| 08:55.22 | MustangMatt | peterS: The file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly. |
| 08:55.31 | peterS | MustangMatt: eh? |
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| 08:55.43 | MustangMatt | peterS: that's what grub-install --recheck /dev/hda returned |
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| 08:55.57 | peterS | MustangMatt: well? does that file exist? |
| 08:56.00 | session | enyc: pasted |
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| 08:56.46 | peterS | MustangMatt: also, does /boot/grub/device.map exist? it should have at least a line like "(hd0)<tab>/dev/hda" |
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| 08:57.16 | enyc | sess: didnt get that |
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| 08:57.24 | enyc | sess: err did you paste to 'enyc' ??? |
| 08:57.34 | MustangMatt | peterS: Both files exist. device.map does contain that line. |
| 08:57.53 | session | enyc: yes |
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| 08:58.05 | enyc | sess: well try just writing in message-window to me |
| 08:58.09 | enyc | sess: without paste |
| 08:58.10 | peterS | MustangMatt: so if device.map has that line you shouldn't need --recheck. try grub-install /dev/hda again |
| 08:58.15 | session | enyc: I have, many times |
| 08:58.26 | enyc | sess : aah , im not getting your msgs |
| 08:58.32 | enyc | sess: i wonder if you are not freenode-registered |
| 08:58.40 | MustangMatt | peterS: grub-install /dev/hda returned the stage2 message again. |
| 08:58.43 | enyc | and the server is spambot-protected and hence not allowing that |
| 08:58.45 | session | enyc: meaning? |
| 08:58.53 | enyc | see the main irc server window [not this channel] |
| 08:59.08 | peterS | MustangMatt: that's pretty odd, if the stage2 file exists. try this: cd /boot; ln -s . boot |
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| 08:59.09 | session | enyc: yep |
| 08:59.14 | enyc | this freenode server (at least was) disallowing private msgs if you were not registered with 'nickserv' |
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| 08:59.32 | peterS | MustangMatt: that is, create a /boot/boot -> . link, which should not be required, but sometimes it makes grub happier |
| 08:59.43 | peterS | MustangMatt: oh yeah, did I mention, rmdir /boot/boot first, if you still have that |
| 09:00.02 | MustangMatt | peterS: Yah I got rid of that one and I have the /boot/boot again now as expected. |
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| 09:00.09 | mo1991 | liable - other modules are loaded as well = it sees the prism2_cs module - or loads it anyway, but the card wlan0 does not showup with iwconfig? Any ideas - |
| 09:00.11 | mo1991 | ? |
| 09:00.27 | peterS | MustangMatt: the idea here is that from either the perspective of root, or the perspective of the /boot filesystem, /boot/grub/ exists and points to the same place. |
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| 09:00.40 | MustangMatt | peterS: Right I think we're good. |
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| 09:00.43 | Zvpun | I got a text file with \b's and \r's. Is it possible to remove them and what they delete? |
| 09:00.48 | peterS | MustangMatt: and yet grub-install still complains? |
| 09:00.50 | enyc | sess: erm I cant hear you in the /msg channel.... can you hear me there [?] |
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| 09:01.04 | liable | mo1991: i dont know what other modules are required for that carf, buts that the direction you might want to look in i think. |
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| 09:01.32 | MustangMatt | peterS: Running it once more. Same message about stage2 not read correctly. |
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| 09:02.02 | MustangMatt | peterS: What is stage2? |
| 09:02.13 | liable | re-install grub from the chroot? |
| 09:02.14 | peterS | MustangMatt: grub boots in 3 stages: stage1, stage1.5, stage2 |
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| 09:02.53 | peterS | MustangMatt: stage 1 and stage 1.5 are loaded directly by the MBR portion, as files mapped directly by disk address. stage 1.5 is able to read the filesystem, and loads stage2, which reads menu.lst and your kernel images |
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| 09:03.22 | peterS | MustangMatt: well, I should say, stage 1 *is* your MBR portion, stage 1.5 is loaded by that |
| 09:03.33 | MustangMatt | peterS: Hrmmm... Well I guess I can try to reboot and see how serious it's being with me. |
| 09:03.45 | peterS | MustangMatt: so grub-install copies stage 1 to your MBR and points it to the physical location of stage 1.5 on your disk |
| 09:04.12 | peterS | MustangMatt: (that is, /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 in your case) - and then stage 1.5 reads the /boot filesystem and finds stage2 |
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| 09:04.41 | MustangMatt | peterS: The stage2 from both the original install and the chroot are both 108168 but the chroot has today's timestamp |
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| 09:05.18 | peterS | MustangMatt: hmm, I didn't think grub had to update the stage2 file. I could be wrong. 'cp -a' preserves the timestamp. |
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| 09:05.32 | MustangMatt | peterS: If stage2 reads menu.lst I wonder if that error means it didn't like the new menu.lst |
| 09:05.54 | peterS | MustangMatt: doubtful, it sounds like it doesn't like stage2. what does 'cmp' say about the two stage2 files? |
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| 09:05.59 | session_ | enyc: restarted the router and I got disconnected |
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| 09:06.15 | enyc | sess: lol well /msg nickserv your id |
| 09:06.17 | session_ | enyc: I have to wait till my "old" nick gets dropped |
| 09:06.20 | GodKilla | where to put font files to? |
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| 09:06.25 | enyc | that sounds like a NAPT ;-) |
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| 09:06.29 | MustangMatt | peters: stage2 /mnt/boot/grub/stage2 differ: byte 537, line 5 |
| 09:06.43 | liable | session_: /msg nickserv ghost help |
| 09:06.47 | peterS | MustangMatt: try recopying it with cp -a, then running grub-install yet again inside the chroot |
| 09:06.54 | enyc | sess: thats what happens, etc.... shame your ruleset doesnt 'RST' back to tcp packets from old connection |
| 09:07.13 | enyc | sess: I have one of those nasty router-boxes but its not NAT'ing |
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| 09:07.28 | peterS | enyc: you think he needs a good ol' "connection reset by peerS"? I'm peerS, I can help with that |
| 09:07.29 | enyc | sess: it just forwards data between the PPP link and ARP'ed ip-over-ethernet |
| 09:07.36 | MustangMatt | peterS: same message |
| 09:07.45 | MustangMatt | peterS: Very odd. |
| 09:07.46 | peterS | MustangMatt: and did it change stage2 again? |
| 09:07.55 | MustangMatt | peterS: yes |
| 09:07.57 | session_ | enyc: I hate routers |
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| 09:08.03 | peterS | MustangMatt: I do not know why it would do all that. I really don't. |
| 09:08.06 | session_ | enyc: always trouble |
| 09:08.16 | peterS | MustangMatt: it may behoove you to create a grub boot floppy, so you can boot from *that* if need be |
| 09:08.18 | MustangMatt | peterS: Should I just copy stage2 again and not run grub-install? |
| 09:08.39 | enyc | sess: well go build up a older-machine with many pci-slots and put enormous heatsink on a thermo-fcontrolled-psu-fan [quiet running] and run something like ipcop |
| 09:08.43 | MustangMatt | peterS: Is a sarge CD as good as a grub boot floppy? This server has no floppy drive. |
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| 09:08.59 | enyc | sess: which takes pppoe isp connection, or ethernet internet conneciton, or DSL pci card isp connection |
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| 09:09.23 | enyc | sess: and ethernet lan, and ethernet dmz, and ethernet/wlan 'blue' wireless-restricted-zone |
| 09:09.39 | peterS | MustangMatt: well, really, worst comes to worst, you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst on your original raid drive, to say root=/dev/hda2, and let your system boot the original software raid thing |
| 09:09.50 | MustangMatt | peterS: True. |
| 09:09.56 | peterS | MustangMatt: ...and you'll be fully natively booted into hda, and maybe grub will behave |
| 09:10.20 | session_ | enyc: I have thought of that before. It's just that maybe I'm not smart enough |
| 09:10.22 | peterS | MustangMatt: I was gonna say then you could proceed, but I suppose you wouldn't be able to reconnect your disks to the adaptec controller at that point, while the machine is up |
| 09:10.36 | enyc | sess: if you cant get your proprietary-napt box mehaving, for some you can ge a linux-based replacement-firmware |
| 09:10.40 | session_ | enyc: Nut haven't tried yet |
| 09:10.43 | MustangMatt | peterS: it does support hotswap |
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| 09:10.49 | MustangMatt | peterS: not sure if the drives do though. |
| 09:10.56 | enyc | sess: ???nut havent tried??? |
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| 09:11.00 | peterS | MustangMatt: the linux drivers for your motherboard sata chip don't, though |
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| 09:11.02 | wathek | hello all |
| 09:11.07 | MustangMatt | peterS: Ah gotcha. |
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| 09:11.17 | peterS | MustangMatt: well, not last I heard. the hardware is capable of it. |
| 09:11.17 | session_ | enyc: hehe |
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| 09:11.22 | session_ | enyc: typo |
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| 09:11.25 | enyc | sesS: I dont understnad the 'nut havent tried' |
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| 09:11.33 | session_ | enyc: where to get linux firmware? |
| 09:11.45 | MustangMatt | peterS: Well I guess I'll try and reboot and see what the damage is. I'll go ahead and unhook the sata drives for the first boot. |
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| 09:11.56 | session_ | enyc: It just said that I have not tried it out yet |
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| 09:12.01 | enyc | sess: kk |
| 09:12.05 | enyc | sess: I dont know.. |
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| 09:12.13 | enyc | sess: and depends on your box what you can run |
| 09:12.17 | peterS | MustangMatt: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst on the sata copy first, so you can quickly boot the intermediate system from the sata disk if need be |
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| 09:12.26 | MustangMatt | peterS: okay |
| 09:12.29 | mo1991 | hmm - I am now trying the hostap driver - compiled modules for the kernel - installed hostap modules - modprobe hostap_cs - lsmod shows hostap_cs module loaded fine - iwconfig doesn't show anything? Anyone know why this would be? |
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| 09:12.32 | enyc | sess: and its risking breaking your napt box [wont start, broken firmware] |
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| 09:12.49 | enyc | sess: ipcop however just needs a pentium-machine sortof thing |
| 09:12.49 | session_ | enyc: been there done that :) |
| 09:13.17 | session_ | enyc: ipcop... is that a linux program or a distro? |
| 09:13.19 | enyc | sess: since ive got an eprom/flash-programmer Ive fixed quite a few of such thins |
| 09:13.23 | enyc | sess: its a dsitribution |
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| 09:13.41 | MustangMatt | peterS: Alright I edited it to make the first kernel boot from hda2. I left recovery on md1 |
| 09:13.41 | Zvpun | I got a text file with \b's and \r's. Is it possible to remove them and what they delete? |
| 09:13.42 | enyc | sess: for running from hdd, or, then copying to compatflash card in compactflash-to-ata-adapter |
| 09:13.55 | session_ | enyc: ahh.. I have a old pentium 1 in the basement |
| 09:13.58 | enyc | sess: it just runs on a spare machine sort of thing ;-) |
| 09:13.58 | peterS | MustangMatt: sure. now go thou and reboot thy box |
| 09:14.02 | doleyb | Zvpun: dos2unix |
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| 09:14.05 | enyc | erm |
| 09:14.05 | MustangMatt | peterS: Here goes! |
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| 09:14.13 | enyc | see if yu can become session again |
| 09:14.27 | GodKilla | where to put font files to? |
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| 09:15.00 | josie | hi |
| 09:15.02 | session_ | enyc: nope, and I can't fix the nick thing. It says invalid password |
| 09:15.06 | peterS | GodKilla: ~/.fonts |
| 09:15.12 | GodKilla | ah ty thx |
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| 09:15.37 | session_ | enyc: /msg nickserv ghost help gives me invalid pass |
| 09:15.41 | enyc | sess: try '/msg nickserv ghost session password' |
| 09:15.51 | josie | hellow |
| 09:15.52 | enyc | sess: it shoud be '/msg nickserv help ghost' ;-) |
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| 09:16.01 | session_ | enyc: nice |
| 09:16.21 | peterS | /nick session_ |
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| 09:17.00 | peterS | QVoieilSf: die spammer die |
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| 09:17.30 | nkuttler | hail peterS! |
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| 09:19.46 | Zvpun | doleyb: how does dos2unix help me? The manpage talks only about newline characters |
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| 09:20.20 | cahoot | Zvpun: else google for sed faq |
| 09:20.21 | Zvpun | I want to remove \b's that is backspace characters and the stuff they "delete" |
| 09:20.42 | sandman | Does anyone find that solving source dependencies in Debian != good? It would be nice if I've a chroot of Etch, and because lets say gnome is broken, I could apt-build install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:20.54 | sandman | And it would just do everything necessary. |
| 09:21.14 | peterS | Zvpun: that's not easy if you have multiple \b in a row. you could do it with a bit of sed. |
| 09:21.21 | peterS | Zvpun: I mean a bit of perl, it would take more than a bit of sed |
| 09:22.31 | peterS | Zvpun: untested: perl -lpe 'chomp; s/.*\r//; 1 while (s/.\b/g)' |
| 09:23.01 | peterS | Zvpun: well... perl -lpe 'chomp; s/.*\r//; 1 while (s/[^\b]\b/g)' |
| 09:23.30 | peterS | or if you want *real* correctness, insert a ? before the final \b |
| 09:23.50 | MustangMatt | peterS: Well I was able to have grub start off the sata drive to boot hda2. I do have a minor second problem of just realizing my sata cables are too short to reach the new controller but I don't think you can help me with that one :) |
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| 09:24.23 | peterS | zvpun: hmmm, and you may have to replace /g with simply / |
| 09:24.33 | peterS | MustangMatt: indeed (: |
| 09:24.53 | peterS | MustangMatt: ok now that your system is running *only* with /dev/hda (/proc/mounts should confirm this!) you might try grub-install again |
| 09:24.55 | MustangMatt | peterS: I can just move the drives closer for tonight to solve that problem. heh. Should I try grub-install again? |
| 09:24.56 | Zvpun | peterS: I think that \b meight be a character class |
| 09:25.36 | peterS | Zvpun: oh yeah, sorry. I meant \008 in place of \b there |
| 09:25.47 | peterS | Zvpun: [^\b] should still be fine |
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| 09:26.16 | Zvpun | peterS: shouldn't \b match a word boundary? |
| 09:26.26 | Zvpun | peterS: I'm trying with \008 |
| 09:26.44 | peterS | Zvpun: yes, \b matches a word boundary, but not when inside [] |
| 09:27.08 | MustangMatt | peterS: grub-install success |
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| 09:27.21 | peterS | Zvpun: in fact, inside [], \008 does not seem to work, so you have to use \b |
| 09:27.21 | MustangMatt | peterS: Shall I try booting without the aid of the sata drives again? |
| 09:27.27 | peterS | MustangMatt: yeah |
| 09:27.42 | peterS | MustangMatt: you want to be *sure* you have a bootable system before you blow away the installation on your sata drives |
| 09:27.45 | MustangMatt | peterS: Before I do, what were you saying about not needing to add aacraid to /etc/modules? It's currently in there. |
| 09:28.09 | peterS | MustangMatt: you need aacraid to be included inside the initrd installed by the 'mkinitrd' command |
| 09:28.27 | wathek | I wanna create some deb |
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| 09:28.38 | MustangMatt | peterS: This is in /proc/interrupts - 209: 62 0 IO-APIC-level aacraid |
| 09:28.42 | wathek | from sources any one knows a good tutorial for that ? |
| 09:28.45 | peterS | MustangMatt: I think that just involves adding it to /etc/mkinitrd/modules and rerunning mkinitrd with the appropriate flags |
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| 09:28.54 | Zvpun | peterS: and after the [] it should be \008, right? |
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| 09:29.00 | MustangMatt | peterS: Should I do that now or later? |
| 09:29.10 | peterS | MustangMatt: the thing is, /etc/modules is not processed until /etc is available. which, you know, will eventually be *after* the root filesystem is mounted from the aacraid drive ... see the dilemma? |
| 09:29.29 | MustangMatt | peterS: Ah I understand now. |
| 09:29.30 | peterS | Zvpun: perl -lpe 'chomp; s/.*\r//; 1 while (s/[^\b]\008/)' |
| 09:29.33 | peterS | Zvpun: still untested |
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| 09:30.10 | MustangMatt | peterS: Alright well I'll reboot and make sure I can run off hda2 brb |
| 09:30.12 | peterS | MustangMatt: the initrd is loaded directly by grub, bypassing this little quandary. thus the initrd must contain, and load, the aacraid module |
| 09:30.16 | peterS | yeah |
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| 09:33.41 | MustangMatt | peterS: Okay I'm able to boot of hda2 without the other drives hooked up. |
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| 09:34.02 | Zvpun | peterS: I think the [^\b] should match but not be substituted in the supstitution. I know there is something to do that. |
| 09:34.10 | peterS | MustangMatt: good. now you can demolish your previous software raid thing. how to do this, I have not a clue. presumably the adaptec bios extension includes a raid setup utility. |
| 09:34.35 | peterS | MustangMatt: if you are still nervous, you can take your current /dev/sda and plug *only that* into the raid card, and tell it to create degraded mirrors |
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| 09:34.46 | Zvpun | peterS: on ##perl they say that the chomp is unnecessary with -l |
| 09:34.48 | peterS | MustangMatt: (that way your current sdb is still the old install and will still work on its own) |
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| 09:35.11 | MustangMatt | peterS: I've got a backup so I'm not too worried about it. |
| 09:35.54 | MustangMatt | peterS: But you're right that should work fine to just hook one up as degraded. That way I can time the rebuild also. |
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| 09:37.03 | MustangMatt | peterS: I've added aacraid to /etc/mkinitrd/modules but I'm not very familiar with mkinitrd |
| 09:37.15 | peterS | MustangMatt: well, so long as you *can* build degraded mirrors and later add another copy to them. with linux software raid it's a little bit tricky to do this, so make sure you get it right with the adaptec setup program |
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| 09:38.15 | peterS | MustangMatt: (with software raid, if you do the obvious thing and just create a mirror with one copy, it fixes the mirror set as "one copy only" and it's hard to go back and tell it "no wait I wanted two, here's the other partition". I don't know if the adaptec firmware setup program is similar.) |
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| 09:38.48 | MustangMatt | peterS: I haven't been in there yet but from the docs it looks like it's not too difficult. |
| 09:39.13 | peterS | MustangMatt: I think mkinitrd is just a matter of 'mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-$(uname -r)' |
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| 09:39.31 | peterS | MustangMatt: well, /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) |
| 09:39.36 | ZNH_ | why is sort using 99% of my cpu, while I didnt even activate it |
| 09:39.45 | MustangMatt | peterS: Success |
| 09:40.04 | peterS | ZNH_: most likely 'updatedb' is running, as it does once a day |
| 09:40.17 | ZNH_ | peterS, aah.. then i'll delete that crappy locate |
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| 09:41.04 | MustangMatt | peterS: I guess I can reboot and hook one of the drives up and see if I can create the degraded mirror at this point. |
| 09:41.36 | peterS | MustangMatt: yeah. also make sure your bios is set to boot the IDE drive rather than either of the RAID logical drives, since those obviously won't be bootable yet |
| 09:42.05 | MustangMatt | peterS: Right that will be interesting. I guess a second drive will show up in bios once I create the raid. Here goes! |
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| 09:42.44 | peterS | MustangMatt: well, if you create two raid partitions (for /boot and /), you'll get two more logical drives in the bios |
| 09:42.46 | bob2 | ZNH_: that seems like a prtty terrible "solution" |
| 09:42.52 | r3tex | what is a good backup program for debian? |
| 09:43.03 | bob2 | r3tex: I hear duplicaity is good |
| 09:43.05 | peterS | MustangMatt: ...or that's how hardware raid cards usually work. I don't actually have an adaptec card |
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| 09:43.22 | ZNH_ | bob2, yeah I noticed.. I cant even delete that piece of locator :b |
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| 09:43.57 | askance | where would i look to find out about alternate boot configurations: eg, sometimes i'm booting to a wired network (eth0), and sometimes i'm booting to a wireless network (rausb0) ? |
| 09:44.03 | peterS | ZNH_: you can rename /etc/cron.daily/find to /etc/cron.daily/find.please-dont-run if you wish |
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| 09:44.12 | peterS | ZNH_: (a "." in the name will prevent it from running, I believe) |
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| 09:44.18 | ZNH_ | peterS, I deleted cron already |
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| 09:45.15 | lanix | i have just lost my x config is ther a way for me to fix it ? |
| 09:45.17 | nkuttler | askance: hm, what have different networks to do with booting? look into laptop-net or similar packages |
| 09:45.22 | cahoot | ZNH_: brute force administration |
| 09:45.36 | mo1991 | lanix dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:45.36 | ZNH_ | cahoot, yeaahhh!! |
| 09:45.43 | nkuttler | lanix: did you look if there's some .bak or something? |
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| 09:46.47 | lanix | no i update next thing i know x was gone |
| 09:46.50 | askance | nkuttler: since my internal ethernet connection is set to auto, it really slows initialization when i start up if it isn't plugged in (dhclient) |
| 09:46.55 | lanix | brb |
| 09:46.58 | lanix | ill try that |
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| 09:47.25 | liable | askance: look in to ifplug |
| 09:47.27 | liable | d |
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| 09:49.00 | askance | liable: yep, ifplug looks like it'll do what I need it to, but isn't there some way to alternate boot with grub menus? seems like it would take less mem that way |
| 09:49.09 | lanix | ok i tried it |
| 09:49.21 | Guerin | askance: all grub does is boot a kernel |
| 09:49.27 | lanix | but it came uo saing it is broken or not fully install |
| 09:49.36 | liable | askance: um, not with grub, no. |
| 09:49.36 | Guerin | askance: what you're talking about is all userspace |
| 09:49.36 | lanix | up* |
| 09:50.06 | lanix | how can i fix it ? |
| 09:50.22 | askance | hmm...... seems like such overkill to install a daemon just to detect what I already know :( |
| 09:50.26 | nkuttler | lanix: try apt-get -f install |
| 09:50.31 | Soots | http://www.centennialbulb.org/ |
| 09:50.50 | lanix | ok brb |
| 09:50.58 | askance | nkuttler: looked at laptop-net and it appears to do the same thing as if plg |
| 09:51.07 | nkuttler | askance: sure |
| 09:51.31 | liable | askance: just remove the auto stanza then, and bring whatever iface up when you want.. |
| 09:52.27 | askance | liable: ok, so if i remove auto stanza, i'd just ifup eth0 after bootup to get my connection going? |
| 09:52.37 | liable | yes |
| 09:52.54 | askance | liable: Excellent :) |
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| 09:53.30 | MustangMatt | peterS: You were right it doesn't create degraded arrays. So I hooked both drives up and created the mirror and booted off hda2. |
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| 09:53.36 | lanix | nothing every thing came up upto date |
| 09:53.47 | nkuttler | askance: maybe you can do some fancy post-up scripting for the network config (?), man interfaces, then you could maybe leave the auto entry |
| 09:54.10 | lanix | re install ?? |
| 09:54.27 | nkuttler | lanix: /msg dpkg drxx, /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 09:54.42 | peterS | MustangMatt: ok. so. hmmm, speaking of mkinitrd, I think you need to make sure 'scsi_mod' and 'sd_mod' end up in the initrd as well. mkinitrd will not necessarily guarantee this |
| 09:54.52 | peterS | I mean, it might, or it might not |
| 09:55.03 | lanix | i have no X am in puse console is there a way i can do that withaut loging out irssi ? |
| 09:55.17 | nkuttler | lanix: alt+rightarrow |
| 09:55.19 | xoz | askance: you can use switchconf... create localhost, wired, dhcp networks. everytime you shutdown, make a script to switchconf to localhost so that everytime you boot, you boot to localhost network only and swtichconf to dhcp or wired network later. |
| 09:55.19 | MustangMatt | peterS: Just add them to /etc/mkinitrd/modules? Any order? |
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| 09:55.38 | peterS | MustangMatt: I don't think the order matters, but put scsi_mod before the others |
| 09:55.48 | Nov | hi, may sb help me with vsftpd? I did aptitude install vsftpd, edited /etc/vsftpd.conf to use pam_service_name=vsftpd, but i cant login with anything :-( |
| 09:56.14 | peterS | MustangMatt: so anyway, I suppose you could have either created *one* raid partition which would show up as /dev/sda, which you can then partition in the OS, or *two* RAID partitions, sda and sdb, which you wouldn't bother to partition in the OS |
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| 09:57.07 | peterS | MustangMatt: it feels funny to me to deal with "whole disk" devices in linux, I'd feel better about partitioned disks. so my suggestion would be a single RAID partition which shows up as /dev/sda, which you'd then partition with cfdisk into /boot and / |
| 09:57.14 | MustangMatt | peterS: I just created one but on second thought that means swap will be mirrored. |
| 09:57.29 | askance | xoz: wil take a look -- thnaks |
| 09:57.30 | peterS | MustangMatt: oh, true, true. you might do a stripe set for swap |
| 09:57.51 | peterS | MustangMatt: not that it matters, you can leave swap as two unconnected raid partitions and the linux kernel can stripe them implicitly |
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| 09:57.54 | peterS | so either way |
| 09:58.03 | MustangMatt | peterS: From what I've read the kernel is optimized enough when it comes to swap that you don't benefit from it. Not sure how true that is though. |
| 09:58.33 | peterS | MustangMatt: not sure quite what you mean. if you 'swapon' two devices at the same priority, linux will used striped access to them implicitly |
| 09:58.57 | MustangMatt | peterS: Right. Thus eliminating the need to stripe on the controller. |
| 09:58.58 | peterS | MustangMatt: but if you have a raid card, you could just as well set up your swap space as a stripe set in hardware raid. won't help necessarily but it also won't hurt |
| 09:59.06 | peterS | yeah, it's up to you |
| 09:59.11 | Nov | in particular: what needs to be added to /etc/pam.d/vsftpd to have a stupid login with local users? a link to a good tutorial is also appreciated ;) |
| 09:59.13 | peterS | anyway, mirroring is probably not what you want, for that |
| 09:59.23 | MustangMatt | peterS: Alright I'll go re set it up with the 3 "partitions" brb |
| 09:59.30 | Nurbs | except if you wanted HA :) |
| 09:59.45 | peterS | MustangMatt: *unless* you want the OS to be resilient against disk failure. you don't want half your swap space disappearing because a drive died. the kernel would not be amused. so you might mirror your swap space just for that reason |
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| 10:00.16 | peterS | MustangMatt: I'd do one big partition for root and /boot, though, as mentioned earlier. whether swap is done separately on the raid card is up to you |
| 10:00.19 | MustangMatt | peterS: Hrmmm when you put it that way. |
| 10:00.35 | peterS | MustangMatt: so if you want to mirror swap as well, you may as well use one big partition as you're already doing |
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| 10:00.47 | MustangMatt | peterS: This machine has a gig of ram and has never even seen swap. |
| 10:00.55 | peterS | MustangMatt: in which case leave it alone and 'cfdisk /dev/sda' to set it up |
| 10:00.55 | MustangMatt | peterS: It's probably safe to leave it on the mirror. |
| 10:01.08 | peterS | MustangMatt: i.e., use cfdisk to create your three partitions |
| 10:01.47 | r3tex | bob2: does duplicity come on the livecd? |
| 10:02.03 | r3tex | how would i restore an entire drive if its gzipped? |
| 10:02.18 | r3tex | i need to use some livecd with gzip support i suppose =P |
| 10:02.37 | MustangMatt | peterS: Any chance it's something other than /dev/sda? Getting fatal error can't open disk drive |
| 10:02.38 | peterS | r3tex: it's a pretty poor livecd that doesn't have gzip on it. even tomsrtbt has gzip, I believe |
| 10:02.53 | peterS | MustangMatt: does /proc/scsi/scsi mention it/ |
| 10:03.45 | r3tex | that stinks |
| 10:03.57 | MustangMatt | peterS: Here's what it comes back with http://pastebin.com/386958 |
| 10:04.18 | liable | did you reformat the drive, cause it will still be linux raid auto |
| 10:04.56 | peterS | MustangMatt: wait, the fdisk and so forth are just left over from your previous paste, right? |
| 10:05.15 | MustangMatt | peterS: Yes everything below the 5 or 6 blank lines. |
| 10:05.17 | peterS | MustangMatt: ...anyway. does /proc/partitions mention sda? if not, you need to load the 'sd_mod' module |
| 10:05.30 | MustangMatt | peterS: 8 0 156248960 sda |
| 10:05.47 | peterS | MustangMatt: so it does, but 'cfdisk /dev/sda' cannot open it? that's passing strange |
| 10:06.35 | MustangMatt | peterS: Yes it returns : FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive. I wonder if it has to do with the fact that it's in rebuild mode. I thought it said it would be available immediately. Either way I wouldn't think a rebuild could take long on blank drives but maybe I'm wrong. |
| 10:07.24 | peterS | MustangMatt: very very odd. I don't think it's related to rebuild mode - if so, there's not much point in rebuild mode (if the OS can't use the drive while it's being rebuilt) |
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| 10:07.59 | peterS | MustangMatt: what if you use 'cfdisk -z /dev/sda'? -z means ignore whatever is in the partition table now, start with a completely blank one |
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| 10:08.24 | peterS | MustangMatt: probably the same error, but it's worth a shot |
| 10:08.28 | MustangMatt | peterS: same error. |
| 10:08.35 | peterS | MustangMatt: so does 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' work? |
| 10:08.56 | MustangMatt | peterS: Well it had 3 different modes to start in, Clean, Build, and one other. I thought I read that build allows it to be available immediately but maybe I should re-read. |
| 10:09.27 | MustangMatt | peterS: It doesn't complain but takes me immediately to the command prompt without any output |
| 10:09.34 | peterS | MustangMatt: I expect Clean means it zeroes everything out. Build would mean it syncs the two disks together |
| 10:09.34 | shad0wcat | hmm |
| 10:09.43 | shad0wcat | might be bad drives |
| 10:09.56 | peterS | shad0wcat: he was just using the drives as SATA drives with software raid |
| 10:10.05 | shad0wcat | software raid? |
| 10:10.06 | peterS | shad0wcat: like half an hour ago |
| 10:10.09 | shad0wcat | what TYPE of software raid? |
| 10:10.12 | MustangMatt | peterS: Ewww lots of errors on the terminal screen. |
| 10:10.19 | peterS | shad0wcat: linux kernel. he's running linux. |
| 10:10.26 | shad0wcat | LVM in other words? |
| 10:10.35 | MustangMatt | shad0wcat: mdadm |
| 10:10.35 | peterS | shad0wcat: no, md mirrors |
| 10:10.37 | shad0wcat | and you're trying to convert to hardware based raid? |
| 10:10.40 | shad0wcat | hmm... |
| 10:10.44 | shad0wcat | *shrugs* |
| 10:10.46 | peterS | shad0wcat: he has an aacraid card he just plugged the same drives into |
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| 10:10.55 | shad0wcat | might take a look at the docs for your raid mode |
| 10:10.57 | peterS | adaptec PERCraid blah blah blah |
| 10:11.02 | MustangMatt | peterS: Getting lots of I/O errors |
| 10:11.05 | shad0wcat | see if you have to do anything special to get rid of it |
| 10:11.25 | peterS | MustangMatt: ok that's probably not a good sign. one wonders if it's the disks, or the raid card, or the linux aacraid driver |
| 10:11.56 | MustangMatt | peterS: dmesg reports - aacraid: Host adapter appears dead |
| 10:12.05 | peterS | definitely not a good sign |
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| 10:12.30 | peterS | also not something I can help you with - I have zero experience with SATA RAID cards, and little experience with other RAID cards |
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| 10:13.19 | MustangMatt | I think abrotman has experience with these cards. |
| 10:13.28 | peterS | MustangMatt: ...anyway, if you want to take a few notes, I can mention the rest of the procedure involved here, if you can sort out your raid card and make it behave |
| 10:13.33 | MustangMatt | If I'm remembering his name correctly. |
| 10:13.35 | shad0wcat | heh |
| 10:13.43 | peterS | MustangMatt: you basically already know the procedure - it's the same thing you already did to move your system to the IDE disk |
| 10:13.43 | shad0wcat | my specialty is Windows/Linux compatibility |
| 10:13.48 | shad0wcat | or lack of rather |
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| 10:14.54 | peterS | MustangMatt: (1) cfdisk, mke2fs -j, mkswap (2) mount sda2 on /mnt, cp -ax / /mnt (3) mount sda1 on /mnt/boot, cp -ax /boot/. /mnt/boot (4) chroot /mnt /bin/bash; mount /proc |
| 10:15.28 | peterS | MustangMatt: then fix up /etc/fstab to talk about sda instead of hda, fix up /boot/grub/menu.lst the same way, fix /boot/grub/device.map likewise |
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| 10:16.01 | peterS | MustangMatt: then fix /boot/grub/menu.lst on the IDE drive, root=/dev/sda2, and try booting that to get the whole system on the raid array |
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| 10:16.25 | peterS | MustangMatt: finish fixing grub by running grub-install /dev/sda |
| 10:16.58 | peterS | MustangMatt: oh yeah, sometime in there you also want to rerun 'mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r)' to incorporate scsi_mod and sd_mod in /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 10:17.03 | peterS | MustangMatt: finis. |
| 10:18.08 | MustangMatt | peterS: Awesome. I've got this entire session recorded. I'm looking for notes on this aacraid problem. |
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| 10:18.44 | peterS | MustangMatt: good luck. on aacraid and on the rest of your migration (or, if the raid card is really in a bad state, on migrating everything back to SATA + software RAID) |
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| 10:19.34 | MustangMatt | peterS: For the time being everything is running fine on hda2. That process actually went mostly smoothly. I don't think it will be too tough to get this card working. It's supposed to work great under sarge. |
| 10:20.00 | MustangMatt | peterS: I do have a 2nd raid adapter. I guess I could flash it under windows and see if that makes a difference. The bios had 2004 on it. |
| 10:20.09 | peterS | MustangMatt: right. guess you know where to go from here. I think I'm going to bed now, it's 5:20 localtime |
| 10:20.24 | peterS | (fortunatley it's also Saturday morning so bedtimes aren't terribly important) |
| 10:20.29 | MustangMatt | peterS: Same time here too. It's about that time. Thanks for all the help. It is tremendously appreciated. |
| 10:20.35 | peterS | np |
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| 10:21.50 | MustangMatt | Just found a really good post on this topic. They're saying the firmware does make a difference. |
| 10:21.52 | cipherz | hello... anyone got a solution for this: https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=6250685&forum_id=1873 (weird nagios auth bug with debian package) |
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| 10:21.56 | MustangMatt | Guess I'll start flashing. |
| 10:22.07 | Soots | me to |
| 10:22.14 | Soots | i love flashing |
| 10:22.16 | Matteo | hi all |
| 10:22.24 | Soots | especialy at school |
| 10:22.25 | Matteo | just a question |
| 10:22.32 | Matteo | may i? |
| 10:22.54 | Matteo | i want to download debian |
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| 10:22.59 | Matteo | using jigdo |
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| 10:23.27 | Matteo | but i've found 15 jigdo files... |
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| 10:23.40 | Matteo | waht i've to dowload? |
| 10:24.08 | Matteo | somebody can help me plz? |
| 10:24.32 | izzz | What pre-compiled kernel image should I ideally be running on a Thinkpad 380ED? It's a Pentium 166 MMX with 80-something megabytes of RAM. |
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| 10:24.48 | paivakil | fbi if failing for me, complaining about being able to handle only ``packed pixel framebuffers'' etc. but I have a /dev/fb0 on my system? |
| 10:25.05 | paivakil | /s/fbi if/fbi is |
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| 10:25.39 | liable | Matteo: you really only need the net-installer, but cd1 is also enough, but you can get as many as you want.. |
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| 10:28.31 | Matteo | ah ok is enoght teh first? |
| 10:28.41 | Matteo | ok thx but the others? waht are? |
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| 10:29.34 | Matteo | liable? |
| 10:29.58 | liable | Matteo: if you have a good internet connection, just get the net installer. the others have software on them, that is rarely used in order of popularity basically, but if you have a good net connection, you can just get the packages you need from the net |
| 10:30.05 | liable | !d-i Matteo |
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| 10:30.08 | dpkg | Matteo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 10:31.00 | liable | Matteo: if you have a dialup connection on the box you are going to install on, maybe get the first two, which will give you almost everything you will probably need. |
| 10:31.01 | Matteo | ah i've already started jigdo |
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| 10:31.16 | Matteo | i got a good connection is a adsl |
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| 10:31.31 | liable | Matteo: then cd1, is all you need. |
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| 10:31.37 | Matteo | no dial up |
| 10:31.53 | Matteo | just 4 fun |
| 10:32.00 | Matteo | what are the others? |
| 10:32.24 | shad0wcat | if you don't know |
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| 10:32.29 | shad0wcat | you probably don't need to know |
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| 10:33.04 | shad0wcat | the two dvds that make up the entire i386 dist for sarge include the entire stable package tree for that arch |
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| 10:33.18 | Matteo | maybe yes, but maybe could be somthing i need but i don't know... |
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| 10:33.45 | liable | Matteo: you just get what packages you need from the internet with apt-get. |
| 10:33.49 | liable | !ig Matteo |
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| 10:34.00 | liable | hrm |
| 10:34.25 | Matteo | liable i'm using windows at this moment |
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| 10:34.49 | Matteo | i'm downloading first cd with jigdo nd then i'll install it |
| 10:34.50 | Soots | ok, should the CVS pserver be enabled? |
| 10:34.50 | strat | anyone have splashy installed??it works but on boot ..it make cuases my wireless dhcp setup to fail..ive uninstalled it got wireless detection back but id like to have splashy.. |
| 10:35.25 | Matteo | i expere all works funny :) |
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| 10:35.48 | Matteo | thx all guys |
| 10:35.53 | Rama_ | Hi ! Does anyone konw what sort of problems induce things like "*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0853dda0 *" ? |
| 10:36.02 | Matteo | bie bie |
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| 10:36.32 | Soots | ok, should the CVS pserver be enabled? |
| 10:36.41 | Soots | i downloeaded kde |
| 10:37.08 | shad0wcat | why would anyone use cvs? |
| 10:37.12 | shad0wcat | svn > cvs |
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| 10:37.50 | nkuttler | !start a rcs war |
| 10:37.50 | dpkg | Subversion is great! . |
| 10:38.11 | Soots | so on? |
| 10:38.14 | Soots | no*? |
| 10:38.25 | cipherz | rcs is the way to do things |
| 10:38.28 | nkuttler | Soots: if you have to ask you don't need it |
| 10:38.31 | cipherz | svn and cvs is to modern |
| 10:38.34 | cipherz | *too |
| 10:38.39 | Soots | im n00b, only just got system up today from 40mb install cd |
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| 10:40.23 | cipherz | Shadowcat: come on who doesn't love to fight with flocks ? |
| 10:40.35 | syntaxx | is there a network autodetect & autoconfigure application for sarge just like in ubuntu it auto detects and auto configure the network? |
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| 10:40.48 | nkuttler | syntaxx: dhclient? |
| 10:40.56 | izzz | What pre-compiled kernel image should I ideally be running on a Thinkpad 380ED? It's a Pentium 166 MMX with 80-something megabytes of RAM. |
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| 10:41.56 | syntaxx | nkuttler, i dunno what that called i just saw it on my friend using ubuntu he just installed ubuntu and it auto configure and auto detect the network |
| 10:42.11 | mkl1525 | If I want to remove a meta package like isdnutils how can I remove not only this package but all packages it provides? |
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| 10:43.06 | nkuttler | syntaxx: ask #ubuntu |
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| 10:43.47 | scanwinder | when i go apt-get update, im getting the following error "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" anyone come accross this before? |
| 10:44.01 | syntaxx | nkuttler, ok uhmm but application for ubuntu is same like for sarge? |
| 10:44.02 | nkuttler | scanwinder: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 10:44.22 | nkuttler | syntaxx: it would be much easier to find out if you knew it's name |
| 10:44.35 | Infomangani | hi all, I tried to convert my sid to evms but I cannot boot my rootfs on lvm2 on md (raid5), looking at /dev with busybox at boot I cannot find the relevant /dev/evms{md,lvm2} but only /dev/sd*. booting from rootfs on simple segment (partition eg: /dev/evms/sda8) works, any hint? |
| 10:44.37 | nkuttler | scanwinder: what debian release are you running? |
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| 10:44.58 | syntaxx | nkuttler, ok.. ill ask in ubuntu |
| 10:45.10 | Punko | hi everybody |
| 10:45.11 | Infomangani | using initramfs tools and kernel 2.6.13-1 btw |
| 10:45.20 | poko | whats ubuntu? |
| 10:45.28 | liable | izzz: just use 386 |
| 10:45.31 | Punko | how can i make that the mixer streams on the PCM line |
| 10:45.32 | nkuttler | poko: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 10:45.34 | Punko | not on the Line In |
| 10:45.46 | ma3x | What does 'PCM' mean in the volume section? and should it be always to max? |
| 10:45.50 | scanwinder | nkuttler: its damn small linux hard drive install - it uses the oldstable mirror so whatever oldstable is |
| 10:46.09 | izzz | liable: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 sound fine? |
| 10:46.19 | liable | izzz: yep |
| 10:46.23 | poko | i'm lost, i havn't used a comp sinse 586 |
| 10:46.25 | scanwinder | nkuttler: rather than increasing the cache-limit, can i clear the cache? |
| 10:46.46 | izzz | I thought the Pentium MMX was a 586, actually. But I can't find 2.6.8 for 586 |
| 10:46.47 | azeem | poko: what is debian? |
| 10:47.02 | asd | anyone have any experience with a RT2500 wlan chipset and ndiswrapper? |
| 10:47.07 | poko | i dnt know ether |
| 10:47.12 | dondelelcaro | scanwinder: it's not a cache, it's a mmap; you need to increase it. |
| 10:47.19 | azeem | poko: well, you joined here :) |
| 10:47.28 | dondelelcaro | scanwinder: either that, or ditch bits of your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 10:47.41 | poko | and i dont know how, this aint my comp |
| 10:48.00 | azeem | aha |
| 10:48.09 | scanwinder | dondelelcaro: ok its just the instructions are to increase the value next 2 sumthin saying cache-limit - just sounded like it was a cache |
| 10:48.11 | azeem | poko: just type "/leave" then |
| 10:48.30 | poko | but this is just so much fun |
| 10:49.00 | poko | talking to a bunch of random people somewhere on earth |
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| 10:49.25 | azeem | poko: this is a technical channel dedicated to operating system support, not random chat, though |
| 10:49.31 | izzz | go join #USA on DalNET |
| 10:49.38 | nkuttler | poko: go to www.debian.org, install debian and come back :) |
| 10:49.43 | izzz | or that |
| 10:49.44 | poko | sorry how do i leave again? |
| 10:49.47 | Infomangani | poko: this is a chat specific to debian OS go to www.debian.org for more info |
| 10:50.04 | hansi_xp | use /join #ubuntu |
| 10:50.10 | nkuttler | hehe |
| 10:50.27 | nkuttler | poko: "/quit" |
| 10:50.43 | scanwinder | poko: press the X in the top right hand corner |
| 10:50.50 | Soots | ok, kde is up, any other things i should get first? |
| 10:51.39 | izzz | before what? |
| 10:51.41 | nkuttler | Soots: apt-cache search keyword |
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| 10:51.52 | strat | i installed apt-spy..and it replaced my soure list with the fastest mirror...will that mirror give me the same packages that i had in the original apt sources..like for main contrib and non -free.. |
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| 10:52.16 | azeem | strat: yes, TTBOMK |
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| 10:52.43 | Soots | was i soposed to put in keyword or something i wanted? lol |
| 10:52.51 | nkuttler | Soots: man apt-cache i guess |
| 10:53.09 | izzy | !tell Soots about lol |
| 10:53.19 | izzy | just had to. i hate lol. |
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| 10:53.47 | strat | ok..was just wondering..new source just has stable main..no non-free or contib.. |
| 10:53.54 | Isumi | !tell Isumi about lol |
| 10:54.06 | azeem | strat: oh, then add those if you need them |
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| 10:54.25 | Soots | hehe |
| 10:54.35 | Soots | i said lol in my head tho hehe |
| 10:54.38 | me | Now nobody can tell dpkg to tell me anything! bwahahahaaaaaah! |
| 10:54.38 | basti_ | what compiler is unstable built with? |
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| 10:55.33 | Infomangani | basti_: gcc 4.0.2 |
| 10:55.36 | basti_ | thanks |
| 10:56.07 | liran_ | uhmm, whats speedstep? i've been hearing about it here and there |
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| 10:56.20 | Soots | im stuck in log file... |
| 10:56.20 | josep | hi |
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| 10:56.36 | me | !tell liran_ about speedstep |
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| 10:56.40 | Soots | nm |
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| 10:56.54 | josep | I'm stuck, while I was distupgraded I got this: libx11-6: Depends: x11-common (> 4.3.0) but it is not installable |
| 10:57.02 | josep | is there anybody in the same situation? |
| 10:57.17 | josep | s/distupgraded/distupgrading :) |
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| 10:59.20 | liran_ | !tell liran_ cpufreq |
| 10:59.37 | Soots | how do i load kde from command line? |
| 10:59.42 | liran_ | !tell liran_ cpu frequency |
| 10:59.56 | liran_ | uhmm, whats the exact syntax for cpu frequency scaling for dpkg? |
| 11:00.09 | Soots | dpkg |
| 11:01.01 | nkuttler | Soots: why would you want to do that? install gdm |
| 11:01.27 | Soots | gdm? |
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| 11:01.42 | nkuttler | Soots: apt-cache show packagename |
| 11:02.35 | cmdKeen | wheb I install xfont, what do I have to do to make it visible from apps ? |
| 11:02.51 | ma3x | What does 'PCM' mean in the volume section? and should it be always to max? |
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| 11:03.00 | nkuttler | cmdKeen: restart x or man xset probably |
| 11:03.09 | Soots | NO |
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| 11:03.16 | cahoot | unless fontconfig does the job |
| 11:03.35 | Caelum | ahh, finally got rid of the government shit out of my kernel, now I can listen to music |
| 11:03.44 | Soots | I hate you, if you had told me that 2 and a half hors ago i would have listend, but now, please just tell me how to get into kde |
| 11:04.07 | nkuttler | Soots: wtf... |
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| 11:04.25 | liable | Caelum: ?? |
| 11:04.27 | Soots | i spent 2 and a half hours dling kde |
| 11:04.31 | Zvpun | Caelum: what government shit? |
| 11:04.44 | Coweater | Soots: install gdm, /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 11:04.44 | nkuttler | Soots: did you even configure x? |
| 11:04.44 | Caelum | surveillance type stuff |
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| 11:05.00 | Soots | no, wtf is x? xorg? |
| 11:05.06 | nkuttler | god... |
| 11:05.09 | Zvpun | Caelum: --verbose |
| 11:05.09 | nkuttler | Soots: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 11:05.17 | cmdKeen | nkuttler: doesnt't work. well... I can use those fonts from sylpheed, but not gtk/qt apps and fluxbox themes... |
| 11:05.20 | flazh | Hi i need some help in debian. im very new at linux and have som wlan problems |
| 11:05.25 | Soots | i cant, i need to dl it, i did with win and now i need to get into kde to access flash drive |
| 11:05.29 | nerdy2 | ma3x, it gets applied to digital music (wav files for example, but not stuff that plays straight from cd or from line in) |
| 11:05.31 | Caelum | Zvpun: like, before I got rid of it they had some sort of fucked up X server that was probably sending all X events elsewhere that was 10 times slower |
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| 11:05.33 | me | !tell flazh about ask |
| 11:05.40 | liable | Caelum: dont forget the transmitter they implanted in you brain.. :P |
| 11:05.46 | cahoot | cmdKeen: sarge with fontconfig? |
| 11:05.58 | nkuttler | Soots: 1. you can't run kde without x. you don't need kde to access any drives |
| 11:06.06 | cmdKeen | cahoot: etch with fontconfig |
| 11:06.06 | nkuttler | !tell Infomangani about away |
| 11:06.10 | Caelum | Zvpun: and they always fucked up my sound drivers for some reason, and there was this thing in the laptop battery that shut off my laptop whenever I tried to compile a new kernel |
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| 11:06.13 | Coweater | Soots: kde has nothing to do with flash drives, as long as it's mounted you can read it |
| 11:06.22 | cahoot | cmdKeen: try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 11:06.36 | Caelum | liable: there are enough everywhere around me that it wouldn't make any difference |
| 11:06.46 | Caelum | liable: but then, how the hell would I know |
| 11:07.06 | cahoot | cmdKeen: or plain fc-cache -fv |
| 11:07.12 | ma3x | nerdy2, i mean what's the difference if it's %70 or %100? Will you hear a lot clear at %100 or what? can you explain specifically? |
| 11:07.14 | nerdy2 | ma3x, you can play with it, on my machine, i think lower on pcm (and maybe higher on master) can sound better |
| 11:07.43 | nerdy2 | ma3x, the difference is that music to which that gets applied will be less loud :) |
| 11:07.52 | liable | Caelum: you are being investigated by the fbi/cia? |
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| 11:08.17 | cahoot | ma3x: too high level on pcm might infere distortion |
| 11:08.17 | nerdy2 | ma3x, you could just as well set master at 70% and pcm at 100% or the other way around, as far as i understand it [if your output is your speakers, so master gets applied] |
| 11:08.27 | dorto | which is the version of emacs that has a greeninsh look? emacs21 has a white interface, i liked the green one better |
| 11:08.28 | nerdy2 | ma3x, except for distortion as cahoot mentions |
| 11:08.32 | Caelum | liable: or people around me, or something, I don't even care anymore. I was just pissed off my X was so slow and I couldn't listen to music |
| 11:09.00 | liable | ok.. |
| 11:09.15 | nerdy2 | ma3x, unless you have a good soundcard, setting higher than 80% or 90% on various component volumes can introduce distortion, and just sound bad |
| 11:09.33 | strat | i have sarge..if i want to upgrade..??do all i have to do is change stable to testing in source list and then do apt-get upgrade?? |
| 11:09.42 | nerdy2 | ma3x, so setting pcm 90%, master 90% will probably sound better than pcm 100%, master 80% or whatever |
| 11:09.52 | nkuttler | strat: why do you want to run testing? |
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| 11:10.19 | liable | strat: pretty much, yes. |
| 11:10.19 | strat | really no reason..lol..just to.. |
| 11:10.42 | Caelum | strat: dist-upgrade |
| 11:10.59 | strat | anyone running testing?? |
| 11:11.04 | dorto | me too wanted to install the testing version; i have 10GB left in my HD after installing all the OSes i need :P |
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| 11:11.40 | dorto | i think , 190MB will be added if i opt to upgrade to etch after installing sarge? |
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| 11:12.02 | liable | dorto: where did you get that figure from? |
| 11:12.24 | ma3x | thanks you cahoot and nerdy2 |
| 11:12.32 | flazh | "I have a problem with Wlan; I'm running Debian version unstable. when I try to do iwconfig eth2 |
| 11:12.32 | flazh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:12.37 | strat | i had installed etch..but couldnt get nvidia drivers to work..thought maybe since i have it working on sarge by upgrading it would work on etch.. |
| 11:13.04 | dorto | liable: i asked my friend to d/l etch dvd iso files; he told me its just some 190-200MB more currently so it will be better to first install my sarge os and then upgrade; i don't know if its true |
| 11:14.17 | liable | dorto: hrm, well the dvd has a set number of packages, and the etch one is probably different, and this has nothing to do with what is actually installed on your system. |
| 11:14.49 | liable | dorto: so you cant tell, how much space upgrading to etch will take. |
| 11:15.06 | dorto | ok. so downloading etch and installing it would be the better idea(than sarge + upgrade)? |
| 11:15.57 | Zvpun | dorto: I usually download the testing netinstall CD and go from that. |
| 11:15.57 | nkuttler | dorto: hm, i'd say no. people come here often to whine about buggy testing installers. otoh you can report these bugs then :) |
| 11:16.06 | strat | i just changed source list..went and changed sarge to testing..is that all i have to change in sources..just change the word sarge to testing?? |
| 11:16.19 | Zvpun | strat: seems likely. Yes. |
| 11:17.05 | dorto | i won't be bothering anyone about my problems with the testing version; i just want to check it out(like i did with a mandrake version which used to crash every other day!!) |
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| 11:17.24 | dorto | i have a good stable version for doing my work |
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| 11:18.16 | strat | well..i had installed etch from net install and it had a few different option when choosing software..had extra for laptop and another i cant remeber.. |
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| 11:18.44 | Caelum | nkuttler: spammers are customizing their wares to linux heads now too |
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| 11:20.56 | galorin | I'm trying to get virtualhosts working under Apache. I can't tell from here if it's working or not. Can someone check smithuk.blogdns.orf and penguinmigration.selfip.com for me? |
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| 11:21.11 | galorin | *smithuk.blogdns.org* |
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| 11:21.21 | syntaxx | it says i dont have smb support what application do i need to install apt-get install smb/smbclient? |
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| 11:21.57 | Caelum | galorin: yes they work |
| 11:22.20 | galorin | Caelum, identical sites? |
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| 11:22.34 | liable | syntaxx: what says you dont have samba support? |
| 11:22.38 | Caelum | syntaxx: smbclient is for command line access, samba is for sharing stuff via smb |
| 11:22.47 | liable | syntaxx: apt-cache search smb |
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| 11:22.54 | Caelum | galorin: smithuk says "Testing" |
| 11:23.04 | strat | well.that didnt work..changed source list..changed the word sarge to testing and did apt-get update and fetch failed..so thats s not how to do it,, |
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| 11:23.14 | Caelum | galorin: a remote shell with links can be good for that kind of testing |
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| 11:24.44 | galorin | ok, that's great :) How can I test that locally though? I can't get a remote shell now that my latest client followed my advice and changed their passwords.. |
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| 11:25.06 | Soots | lol |
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| 11:26.05 | Caelum | galorin: set up a proxy server on your outside IP |
| 11:26.22 | Caelum | galorin: but make sure to allow only you access |
| 11:26.26 | marmot | hi, how can I check which package to install when I need a tool such as dhclient? |
| 11:26.31 | cromd | greetings all, i've got a soundcard allready recognised in as much as the module is being loaded automatically, and on some games there are sounds coming out, but when i try to play a sound file (with Music Player), i get 2 error messages: "Could not pause playback" and "OSS device /dev/dsp is allready in use by another program". What kind of things do i need to look up to wrap my head around this problem (first time use of a sound-card - |
| 11:26.32 | cromd | complete newbie to mulit-media) |
| 11:26.49 | Caelum | marmot: try apt-cache search <whatever> and http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 11:27.01 | cromd | s/mulit-media/multi-media |
| 11:27.28 | Caelum | cromd: see if you're running esd or arts |
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| 11:27.31 | marmot | Covener: isn't there a simpler way? a tool such as dlocate, but working backwards :> ? |
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| 11:27.45 | cromd | allright Caelum, thanks for that, how do i check? |
| 11:27.56 | Caelum | cromd: ps fauxw | grep esd |
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| 11:28.02 | cromd | ta Caelum |
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| 11:28.10 | marmot | ah, sorry |
| 11:28.17 | galorin | Caelum, thanks, I'll look into doing that. |
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| 11:28.27 | Apollyon | Why is it that i can use the ']}º' key in my keyboard under kde and not under gnome? Could someone help m? |
| 11:28.30 | marmot | s/Covener/Caelum/g |
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| 11:29.14 | Caelum | marmot: there might be some sort of command line util that does what p.d.o does, but I haven't seen it yet... |
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| 11:29.30 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Next time you're around I could use a hand with these adaptec 2410sa cards. I upgraded to the latest firmware but I'm still getting all sorts of I/O errors. |
| 11:29.31 | cromd | Caelum, i get a process /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps ... any help? |
| 11:29.45 | abrotman | MustangMatt: really? |
| 11:29.51 | Caelum | cromd: try killing it and seeing if that fixes your problem |
| 11:29.53 | abrotman | MustangMatt: we never updated the firmware .. at all |
| 11:30.00 | cromd | aha ... will try Caelum |
| 11:30.05 | Caelum | cromd: but you'll lose the gnome sounds |
| 11:30.06 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Well I was having problems before. |
| 11:30.06 | marmot | thx Caelum |
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| 11:30.12 | MustangMatt | abrotman: What kernel are you using? |
| 11:30.16 | abrotman | MustangMatt: you tried other slots etc |
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| 11:30.21 | abrotman | MustangMatt: let me look |
| 11:30.31 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Only 1 slot :( |
| 11:30.39 | abrotman | MustangMatt: 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8-smp |
| 11:30.51 | MustangMatt | abrotman: I'm able to use the bios fine and manage the arrays etc. |
| 11:30.54 | cromd | Caelum, you're a genius! |
| 11:31.06 | MustangMatt | abrotman: I'm using 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 11:31.07 | abrotman | MustangMatt: you've tried other cables etc? |
| 11:31.16 | abrotman | MustangMatt: what kind of CPU ? |
| 11:31.26 | cromd | so, Caelum, how do i stop Sarge from doing that (whatever that is)? |
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| 11:31.36 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Haven't done that yet. I actually need to pick up two new cables tomorrow because the ones I have aren't long enough to reach the controller with the drives in the brackets. |
| 11:31.44 | MustangMatt | abrotman: It's a P4 3.2 HT |
| 11:31.46 | abrotman | MustangMatt: jeez .. |
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| 11:32.20 | rutski89 | Is there anyway to buy a commertial internet connection with a HUGE/unlimited monthly data transfer cap |
| 11:32.21 | abrotman | MustangMatt: did you try the card in another type of machine (like an Athlon box) to see if maybe it's the kernel/other hardware ? |
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| 11:32.38 | abrotman | rutski89: there's always a clause for abuse |
| 11:32.39 | MustangMatt | abrotman: I don't have any other machines with 64 bit slots unfortunately. |
| 11:33.02 | rutski89 | abrotman: well then, just something really generous on the data transfe |
| 11:33.06 | rutski89 | *transfer |
| 11:33.08 | abrotman | MustangMatt: did you (sadly) try to RMA it ? |
| 11:33.19 | rutski89 | abrotman: like, the kind of thing hosting companies have |
| 11:33.22 | abrotman | rutski89: you live in the states ? |
| 11:33.24 | MustangMatt | abrotman: No. I have two of them acting the same. |
| 11:33.31 | rutski89 | abrotman: yup, NY, just north of the city |
| 11:33.34 | abrotman | MustangMatt: eep .. board ? |
| 11:33.45 | abrotman | rutski89: good .. get yourself a T3 :) |
| 11:33.57 | rutski89 | abrotman: /me checks the wiki |
| 11:34.00 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Motherboard? It's an intel board. Can't remember which one off the top of my head. I'm thinking maybe a newer kernel might help. |
| 11:34.02 | abrotman | oh .. OC12 should be fine |
| 11:34.19 | abrotman | MustangMatt: is there .. a sata controller on the intel board ? |
| 11:34.26 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Yes |
| 11:34.27 | cromd | Caelum, what would you suggest, forgo whatever esd represents and supports, or just kill it whenever i need to use the sound card? |
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| 11:34.40 | abrotman | MustangMatt: and that works fine? ... no IO errors ? |
| 11:34.45 | MustangMatt | abrotman: No problems. |
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| 11:35.10 | abrotman | MustangMatt: then yeah .. all i can say is to try another kernel .. i feel pretty bad about this .. we have had 0 problems with ours |
| 11:35.16 | MustangMatt | abrotman: I was on a software mirror. peterS helped me get it migrated to an IDE drive for the time being so I could mess with the array. |
| 11:35.17 | Caelum | cromd: most sound apps can support esd |
| 11:35.26 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Not your fault. |
| 11:35.27 | Caelum | cromd: like, xmms with the esd output plugin |
| 11:35.30 | Soots | anyone here able to help me get xfree or xorg running? |
| 11:35.31 | abrotman | MustangMatt: isn't peterS just a peach :) |
| 11:35.38 | MustangMatt | abrotman: He's the man. |
| 11:35.43 | Soots | lol |
| 11:35.44 | abrotman | Soots: paste your config and error logs somewhere |
| 11:35.56 | cromd | do they need to be configured to work with Caelum? Like is it just a matter of editing a few config files? |
| 11:35.57 | Soots | what? |
| 11:36.12 | abrotman | MustangMatt: too bad the kernels in etch now require a newer udev .. or i'd tell you to just steal one |
| 11:36.16 | Caelum | cromd: if you don't need the gnome sounds, just turn off the sound server in gnome properties |
| 11:36.22 | MustangMatt | So where can I get a newer kernel for sarge? Is there any sort of backport? |
| 11:36.24 | abrotman | Soots: or better define the problem |
| 11:36.26 | rutski89 | abrotman: who exactly do a by a T3 or Tx from? |
| 11:36.53 | Caelum | cromd: if you want to keep them, most apps should work with esd fine, there are just a few that don't, and many have an option in prefs specifically for esd output (like mplayer and such) |
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| 11:37.02 | rutski89 | abrotman: and whats the relation between T lines and OC lines, if any? |
| 11:37.03 | abrotman | rutski89: you call a TelCo .. like verizon or XO or something .. but a full T1 is .. about $400/month i think |
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| 11:37.15 | cromd | Caelum, i'm trying to set up a "sound recording studio" type box for my church, is there any advantage in keeping the sound server going? |
| 11:37.21 | abrotman | rutski89: i'm sorry .. i was really pulling your chain |
| 11:37.21 | svizzero | anyone knows if there is a way to set up a network quota? |
| 11:37.30 | abrotman | MustangMatt: you can use a kernel.org kernel .. and you then use make-kpkg |
| 11:37.30 | MustangMatt | abrotman: I pay $700/month/each for my T1s. |
| 11:37.38 | abrotman | MustangMatt: location ? |
| 11:37.43 | MustangMatt | St. Louis through Savvis. |
| 11:37.49 | abrotman | rutski89: see |
| 11:37.53 | MustangMatt | But it's an ATM circuit |
| 11:37.58 | MustangMatt | with firewalling done on their end. |
| 11:38.07 | abrotman | i think ours at work is $600 for half data/half voice |
| 11:38.13 | MustangMatt | Actually it's less than that. It's about $650/each |
| 11:38.23 | Caelum | cromd: no, esd will only screw up your sound quality |
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| 11:38.36 | rutski89 | abrotman: so what's OCx, tell me about that |
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| 11:38.45 | abrotman | the half data/half voice thing is pretty cool actually .. we're a small office and don't need a full 1.544Mbps .. |
| 11:38.48 | abrotman | !OC12 |
| 11:38.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, oc12 is see Optical Carrier 12. |
| 11:38.55 | Caelum | and speaking of sound, the government still screwed mine up |
| 11:38.57 | abrotman | !optical carrier 12 |
| 11:38.57 | dpkg | from memory, optical carrier 12 is (OC-12) This stands for the 622 Mbps ATM protocol. Some large Internet providers are using OC-12 for their backbones. |
| 11:39.00 | Caelum | well fuck them |
| 11:39.01 | Soots | i have recently installed debian with the 40mb net install, and i now want to use the gui, i am under the impression that i need xorg or xfree before i can use kde, which i have spent the last 2 and a half hours downloading |
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| 11:39.07 | cromd | thanks for the advice Caelum, greatly appreciated |
| 11:39.08 | xelam | hmm, wonder how much our 1Gbps lines cost |
| 11:39.10 | abrotman | !optical carrier 48 |
| 11:39.15 | xelam | (ouchy) |
| 11:39.29 | Caelum | !fuck theGovernment |
| 11:39.30 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure you can get an OC48 too |
| 11:39.47 | liable | MustangMatt: you can install an etch kernel. shouldnt be a problem. |
| 11:39.57 | abrotman | liable: no new udev ? |
| 11:39.59 | cahoot | cromd: what kernel and sound system (alsa/OSS) do you plan to use? |
| 11:40.11 | rutski89 | abrotman: i heard that OCx is the concatenation of several fiber connections into 1, is that true? |
| 11:40.23 | liable | abrotman: i am pretty sure old udev works with new kernels, but not the other way round. |
| 11:40.30 | abrotman | rutski89: you can't afford an OC line |
| 11:40.45 | abrotman | MustangMatt: well .. according to liable .. grab a kernel from etch! |
| 11:40.45 | cromd | cahoot, i'm flying by the skin of my teeth, i have no idea about anything to do with sound |
| 11:40.49 | rutski89 | abrotman: hehe, i see, I'd like to learn though |
| 11:40.52 | liable | MustangMatt: do you even have udev on it? |
| 11:41.00 | MustangMatt | Excuse my ignorance but I'm not really familiar with installing a kernel from another branch. Should I use aptitude? |
| 11:41.04 | abrotman | rutski89: wikipedia is good :) |
| 11:41.08 | rutski89 | abrotman: I might start a busniess, and if I can get funding, then wouldn't a $1,000 connection be OK? |
| 11:41.23 | MustangMatt | liable: I don't even know what udev is honestly. |
| 11:41.23 | liable | MustangMatt: just wget it, and dpkg -i |
| 11:41.23 | cahoot | cromd: ok - you'll have some reading to do before setting up a recording facility |
| 11:41.30 | cromd | cahoot, all i really want to do is be able to give the church a box where they can record their sermons, burn them to CD-ROMs and upload MP3s to their website |
| 11:41.33 | abrotman | MustangMatt: honestly .. go to packages.debian.org ... grab it .. dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.12-686-smp |
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| 11:41.36 | Soots | i have recently installed debian with the 40mb net install, and i now want to use the gui, i am under the impression that i need xorg or xfree before i can use kde, which i have spent the last 2 and a half hours downloading |
| 11:41.41 | cromd | what would you suggest cahoot? |
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| 11:41.43 | MustangMatt | Okay I'll go snag it. |
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| 11:41.59 | abrotman | rutski89: a T1 is good enough for most purposes .. that's a 1.544Mbps |
| 11:42.02 | rutski89 | abrotman: should i read the wiki on sonet to find out about OCx stuff? |
| 11:42.11 | Marc | Can someone help me in pm? because i have some stuff to paste |
| 11:42.11 | liable | MustangMatt: i'd be surprised if you had it on a server anyway. |
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| 11:42.14 | rutski89 | abrotman: hehe, not for a web hosing company |
| 11:42.18 | abrotman | rutski89: it doesn't sound like a lot .. but unless you have a massive sustained transfer .. it's fine |
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| 11:42.33 | xelam | Marc: pastebin |
| 11:42.41 | cahoot | cromd: a dedicated box for that purpose? look at agnula/demudi |
| 11:43.04 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.12-686-smp |
| 11:43.06 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.12-686-smp etch |
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| 11:43.14 | cromd | thanks for the advice cahoot, i'll check it out |
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| 11:43.51 | Marc | http://pastebin.com/387008 <-- Ok so im getting that error whenever i try to apt-get anything |
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| 11:44.09 | abrotman | MustangMatt: http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/linux-image-2.6.12-1-686-smp |
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| 11:44.29 | nkuttler | Marc: did you try what the error suggests? |
| 11:44.33 | Marc | Yep |
| 11:44.38 | abrotman | mattm: did you try .. apt-ge t-f install ? |
| 11:44.43 | abrotman | mattm: and ? |
| 11:44.45 | Marc | i just get the same error |
| 11:44.46 | abrotman | wtf |
| 11:44.49 | abrotman | Marc: :) |
| 11:44.49 | MustangMatt | Hrmmm... I can't find the kernel on packages.debian.org. I'm searching for 2.6.12 and it brings back nothing. |
| 11:44.55 | abrotman | MustangMatt: http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/linux-image-2.6.12-1-686-smp |
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| 11:45.02 | MustangMatt | Ah cool. |
| 11:45.41 | abrotman | Marc: if you type apt-get -f install .. what error do you get ? |
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| 11:45.54 | Marc | Hold on |
| 11:46.13 | liable | Marc: you ran update first right? |
| 11:46.28 | abrotman | apt-get update |
| 11:46.28 | Marc | http://pastebin.com/387011 |
| 11:46.49 | Marc | Yeh i did |
| 11:47.18 | abrotman | Marc: touch /etc/init.d/proftpd ... try again |
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| 11:47.56 | liable | Marc: did you remove it or something? |
| 11:47.59 | Marc | Oh you god. |
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| 11:48.00 | Marc | :D |
| 11:48.05 | Marc | cheers abrotman |
| 11:48.07 | abrotman | Marc: dont' remove init scripts :) |
| 11:48.08 | liable | !beer abrotman |
| 11:48.15 | Marc | I dont remember removing anything |
| 11:48.22 | abrotman | Marc: there are better ways to keep stuff from starting |
| 11:48.27 | abrotman | Marc: ok .. well .. that was the problem |
| 11:48.28 | Soots | !beer Soots |
| 11:48.37 | Soots | wtf? |
| 11:48.59 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:49.05 | abrotman | what's wrong with that ? |
| 11:49.17 | abrotman | Marc: all better ? |
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| 11:49.34 | Marc | yep |
| 11:49.35 | Marc | :) |
| 11:49.49 | abrotman | yay |
| 11:49.52 | abrotman | MustangMatt: how's it going ? |
| 11:50.19 | Marc | Umm |
| 11:50.20 | Marc | actually. |
| 11:50.20 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Kernel installed. Had to manually adjust menu.lst for some reason and rebooting now. |
| 11:50.21 | Marc | lol |
| 11:50.35 | abrotman | Marc: not fixed? |
| 11:50.54 | liable | MustangMatt: you have options in magic bit? |
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| 11:51.14 | cromd | Caelum, how do i get to gnome properties? I can't seem to log on as root |
| 11:51.21 | MustangMatt | liable: I'm feeling newbish. No idea. |
| 11:51.30 | cromd | (first time driving Sarge, Caelum) |
| 11:51.41 | Marc | http://pastebin.com/387016 |
| 11:51.42 | ma3x | hi |
| 11:51.59 | liable | MustangMatt: did it make it /dev/md0? |
| 11:52.04 | syntaxx | im trying to network my windowsxp and my debian sarge.. i just wanna know what to put in wins server is it my windows ip? |
| 11:52.16 | abrotman | Marc: did you delete all of /etc/ ? |
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| 11:52.21 | Marc | hell no |
| 11:52.21 | Marc | lol |
| 11:52.23 | ma3x | why when i write in russian, the f is on the 'a' position, and the v is on the 'd' position.all the keys are replaced |
| 11:52.25 | ma3x | why is it that way? |
| 11:52.32 | Marc | I havnt deleted anything |
| 11:52.34 | ma3x | and i've checked under windows, it's the same |
| 11:52.45 | ma3x | but they told me in russia it's not like that |
| 11:52.47 | abrotman | Marc: someone did |
| 11:52.48 | MustangMatt | liable: /dev/md1 |
| 11:52.49 | liable | !tell Marc about confmiss |
| 11:52.49 | Apollyon | Why is it that i can use the ']}º' key in my keyboard under kde and not under gnome? Could someone help m? |
| 11:52.52 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 11:52.52 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 11:52.56 | MustangMatt | 2.6.12 seems to have done the trick. |
| 11:53.03 | abrotman | MustangMatt: all happy? |
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| 11:53.10 | Marc | abrotman: can i pm you? |
| 11:53.14 | abrotman | LOOK .. and it's not even 8am! |
| 11:53.20 | MustangMatt | abrotman: I'm able to cfdisk it now which I couldn't before. |
| 11:53.28 | abrotman | Marc: i'd rather you didn't .. more people here ... i don't even have my contacts in :) |
| 11:53.36 | abrotman | MustangMatt: yay |
| 11:53.36 | Marc | k ;/ |
| 11:53.37 | liable | MustangMatt: yeah, thats cause you copied over from the software raid disks, its in the bits that look commented in menu.list |
| 11:53.40 | abrotman | Marc: just continue .. |
| 11:53.48 | Marc | well everythings in /etc |
| 11:53.53 | abrotman | Marc: touch /etc/cacti/debian.ophp |
| 11:53.55 | abrotman | err |
| 11:53.57 | abrotman | Marc: touch /etc/cacti/debian.php |
| 11:53.58 | MustangMatt | liable: Ah okay cool. |
| 11:54.02 | ma3x | why when i write in russian, the f is on the 'a' position, and the v is on the 'd' position.all the keys are replaced |
| 11:54.17 | abrotman | ma3x: bad language ? |
| 11:54.27 | cromd | could anyone suggest how to get to Gnome properties from Sarge? |
| 11:54.28 | ma3x | abrotman, what do you mean bad language? |
| 11:54.31 | abrotman | joking |
| 11:54.36 | Marc | http://pastebin.com/387017 |
| 11:54.49 | ma3x | abrotman, what i'm trying to find out, why are they replaced even under windows |
| 11:54.49 | ma3x | not just linux |
| 11:54.50 | MustangMatt | sweet partitions written successfully. |
| 11:55.04 | abrotman | Marc: you're gonna have to do a wohle love of |
| 11:55.06 | ma3x | abrotman, is it possible that i have to choose a different keyboard layout? |
| 11:55.07 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 11:55.13 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 11:55.19 | abrotman | ma3x: it is |
| 11:55.27 | ma3x | abrotman, it is what? |
| 11:55.47 | rutski89 | abrotman: who seels OC lines? |
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| 11:55.57 | abrotman | MustangMatt: i think that's odd ... ours works fine with 2.6.8 ... .. oh well |
| 11:55.59 | rutski89 | abrotman: **sells |
| 11:56.01 | abrotman | rutski89: CIA |
| 11:56.04 | r3tex | how can i apt-get a package without installing the dependencies? |
| 11:56.12 | abrotman | ma3x: possible you'd have to try another keymap |
| 11:56.18 | abrotman | rutski89: you won't be able to afford one |
| 11:56.44 | rutski89 | abrotman: I'd just like to know how much, and who seels it. It's such a mystery to me |
| 11:57.23 | abrotman | rutski89: there are a TON of things that go into it .. you'd have to call verizon ..then they'd probably want you to pay up front just to get a quite |
| 11:57.25 | abrotman | quote |
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| 11:57.50 | vir182 | i reconfigure locales to use de_DE@euro now the Alt keys (Emacs mode) are not wrking in the X termianl anymore (but they work in the konsole window of KDE). any suggestions what is wrong? |
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| 11:58.25 | OFFbl4 | òâîþ ìàòü |
| 11:58.25 | abrotman | rutski89: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_Carrier |
| 11:58.32 | OFFbl4 | íàðîäó äîõóÿ |
| 11:58.37 | OFFbl4 | ïèçäåö |
| 11:58.37 | abrotman | OFFbl4: english |
| 11:58.39 | sussudio_ | !aolify OFFbl4 |
| 11:58.43 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea, it's what i've been looking at |
| 11:58.45 | OFFbl4 | sor |
| 11:58.46 | abrotman | rutski89: ok |
| 11:58.48 | OFFbl4 | =) |
| 11:58.58 | vir182 | r3tex: download the package and install it with pdkg using the force options). apt-get tries to resolve the dpendenices because that's the job |
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| 11:59.13 | rutski89 | abrotman: the hospital I work for has an OC-192 |
| 11:59.15 | r3tex | vir182: ok |
| 11:59.18 | vir182 | r3tex: err dpkg not pdkg |
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| 11:59.21 | MustangMatt | rutski89: What exactly are you wanting all that bandwidth for? |
| 11:59.22 | OFFbl4 | Hy u noLLl/lu Haxyu* |
| 11:59.23 | abrotman | rutski89: they're wasting thier money :) |
| 11:59.31 | abrotman | OFFbl4: ENGLISH |
| 11:59.31 | OFFbl4 | Bnu3gy BCe^ |
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| 11:59.46 | vir182 | r3tex: dpkg --force-help |
| 11:59.51 | abrotman | rutski89: i doubt they have a 192 |
| 11:59.52 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: I saw a web hosting company that offers 300GB data transfer monthly |
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| 12:00.02 | abrotman | cafuego: ENGLISH! |
| 12:00.02 | rutski89 | abrotman: they have a gigabit to the internet |
| 12:00.09 | abrotman | rutski89: that's not OC192 |
| 12:00.10 | rutski89 | abrotman: oops, OC-12 is gigabyte |
| 12:00.14 | rutski89 | abrotman: hehe, yea, my bad |
| 12:00.23 | abrotman | rutski89: ask .. i doubt they even have that |
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| 12:00.28 | rutski89 | abrotman: OC-24 then? |
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| 12:00.35 | MustangMatt | rutski89: You're not trying to break into the hosting business are you? |
| 12:00.38 | abrotman | cafuego: you dirty frenchman!! |
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| 12:00.44 | Hellark | hi |
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| 12:00.48 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: http://hosting.glidebox.com |
| 12:01.00 | neocorp | hello everybody , I come yesterday about a problem on my debian 3.1 (kernel : 2.6.12.5) ; when any user (and root) try to launch one program (for example ./sc_serv) I get : No such file or directory (and I get that with bin files too) , what happens ? |
| 12:01.00 | cafuego | abrotman: Oui, je m'apelle froggy. |
| 12:01.20 | abrotman | cafuego: hop! |
| 12:01.21 | MustangMatt | rutski89: Is that your page or the host you found? |
| 12:01.32 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: thats my page, the host I found is www.powweb.com |
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| 12:01.35 | abrotman | rutski89: you'd have to ask .. |
| 12:01.40 | cafuego | neocorp: You downloaded binary files that you shouldn't be trying to run to begin with? |
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| 12:01.54 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: I'm learning graphics design too, new design might be something like this http://hosting.glidebox.com/svg |
| 12:02.09 | rutski89 | abrotman: ask? |
| 12:02.20 | MustangMatt | rutski89: You're stepping into a huge hole. Hosting is the nastiest industry. Everyone will always undercut your pricing. It takes so much money and equipment to do "hosting" correctly it's almost never worth it. |
| 12:02.31 | cafuego | neocorp: try 'file ./sc_serv' and 'ldd ./sc_serv' |
| 12:02.34 | abrotman | rutski89: ask the network admin at your place of employment |
| 12:02.39 | Hellark | i have a pieces of files, how i can link them all to make one file? the files are .mpg |
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| 12:02.45 | neocorp | cafuego > ok I try |
| 12:02.45 | MustangMatt | rutski89: I know from experience. lol. I'm in the process of getting out of the business and my hosting is even profitable. |
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| 12:03.08 | abrotman | MustangMatt: you mena .. people don't like to pay?!?!?! |
| 12:03.13 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: Well, I'm paying $300/mo for server rentals now and I've got serveral family friends who want me to do their websites and all |
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| 12:03.29 | abrotman | rutski89: oh .. you're not doing real hosting |
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| 12:03.35 | liable | mena wenas! |
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| 12:03.39 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: so I'll get a good chunck of cash out of them, that'll cover costs, and leave me free to play arround with starting "real" hosting |
| 12:03.40 | abrotman | rutski89: you have a server co-lo'ed .. and you want to host sites there ? |
| 12:03.45 | MustangMatt | No people pay no problem. It's just that I need to invest more in servers and battery backups and generators to really make my service competitve with all the "real" hosting companies out there. |
| 12:03.50 | rutski89 | abrotman: i have a server rented |
| 12:03.56 | abrotman | not even colo ? |
| 12:04.08 | rutski89 | abrotman: rented and sitting in a data center |
| 12:04.14 | rutski89 | abrotman: so yea, colo i guess |
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| 12:04.18 | cafuego | MustangMatt: That's where you split a dedicated server in a facility and sell the same box 4 times over. Works fine. |
| 12:04.19 | abrotman | that is NOT colo |
| 12:04.23 | MustangMatt | rutski89: It's not colo if it's rented. |
| 12:04.31 | neocorp | cafuego > http://channels.debian.net/paste/867 |
| 12:04.31 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: yea, thats what i thought |
| 12:04.34 | MustangMatt | rutski89: Colo is when it's your box located in their data center. |
| 12:04.36 | abrotman | rutski89: colo is when you buy a server and put it in someone else's datacenter |
| 12:04.41 | MustangMatt | rutski89: IMHO that's the only way to go. |
| 12:04.43 | neocorp | cafuego > think I found with your help ^^ |
| 12:04.43 | rutski89 | yea |
| 12:04.44 | cafuego | Setting up hosting at home with a generator and UPS is a waste of time |
| 12:04.52 | rutski89 | abrotman: isn't it expensive? |
| 12:04.53 | abrotman | rutski89: and CoLo is way cheaper than renting a server |
| 12:05.01 | rutski89 | abrotman: oh yea? |
| 12:05.07 | Guerin | well |
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| 12:05.10 | MustangMatt | I agree with cauego. Again I speak from personal experience. lol |
| 12:05.10 | abrotman | i checked a local place .. a "family" colo was .. $50/month |
| 12:05.11 | rutski89 | abrotman: the guy who advised me on renting said that was way untrue |
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| 12:05.12 | Guerin | since you have to pay for the server |
| 12:05.16 | rutski89 | abrotman: convince me otherwise? |
| 12:05.28 | cafuego | Guerin: And possibly for the spare parts |
| 12:05.34 | abrotman | rutski89: i just told you :) |
| 12:05.38 | Guerin | cafuego: yeah. And shipping. etc. |
| 12:05.49 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea, but like... show me a good co-locating company |
| 12:05.50 | cafuego | Guerin: and no free upgrades ;-) |
| 12:06.03 | abrotman | rutski89: you can get a PIII 1U on ebay for .. like what .. $400? ... and then you pay $50/month |
| 12:06.06 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Before I forget, any tips on utils to monitor the array? |
| 12:06.15 | abrotman | rutski89: there are plenty |
| 12:06.19 | rutski89 | abrotman: $50!!! |
| 12:06.20 | Guerin | the fact of the matter is that you pay a rental agency, and they take a profit; but they can get economies of scale and trade dealies which you can't |
| 12:06.33 | abrotman | MustangMatt: the ones from adaptec should work if it's 32bit CPU/OS |
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| 12:06.36 | rutski89 | abrotman: what!? do they have good bandwidth, i've currently got 2TB/mo |
| 12:06.36 | Guerin | so it's arguable which is more expensive; depends on the circumstances |
| 12:06.38 | neocorp | cafuego > does I have to recompile kernel ? |
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| 12:06.47 | abrotman | rutski89: the difference is that you're not paying for the hardware |
| 12:06.48 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Are they on the CD? |
| 12:06.54 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea |
| 12:06.56 | cafuego | neocorp: What would the point of that be? |
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| 12:07.02 | abrotman | MustangMatt: i only saw them on the website .. i didn't check the CD :) |
| 12:07.12 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Ah okay I'll check it out thanks. |
| 12:07.31 | abrotman | rutski89: http://bluetruck.net/services/colo/pcolo.php ... near me .. not business colo .. but still .. cheap enough |
| 12:07.34 | cafuego | neocorp: Are you running an amd64? |
| 12:07.37 | MustangMatt | Plus a colo is going to have environmentally controlled rooms and massive battery backup/generator power. |
| 12:07.41 | neocorp | cafuego> yes |
| 12:07.57 | MustangMatt | Something that's difficult to acheive at home. |
| 12:07.58 | abrotman | rutski89: thier business colo is 170$ .. now .. there are more reputable companies .. i just know this guy is somewhat local |
| 12:08.04 | cafuego | neocorp: Ok. The app you're trying to run is 32bit. Set up a 32bit chroot (or maybe install the 32bit compat libs) |
| 12:08.09 | MustangMatt | Let alone the fact that most 1u servers sound like shop vacs. |
| 12:08.14 | rutski89 | abrotman: heh, i need more than 10GB :-p |
| 12:08.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:08.29 | abrotman | rutski89: why keep your porn on a webserver ? |
| 12:08.32 | Guerin | one advantage to living at My Place over a colo facility is: unlimited 100 megabit bandwidth :) |
| 12:08.35 | rutski89 | abrotman: lol |
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| 12:08.40 | rutski89 | abrotman: I don't watch porn |
| 12:08.41 | cafuego | neocorp: The standard kernel should have support for 32biot apps, you just need the libraries. |
| 12:08.48 | abrotman | rutski89: 10GB is a lot |
| 12:08.57 | rutski89 | abrotman: not when your tying to offer web hosing |
| 12:09.04 | liable | Guerin: you have to rub it in at least once a week :) |
| 12:09.07 | neocorp | cafuego > ok thanks , must I use dchroot ? |
| 12:09.14 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: can you tell me more about your hosting thing? |
| 12:09.17 | Guerin | liable: i try for twice, but it's a tough schedule |
| 12:09.19 | cafuego | rutski89: Most websites would probably weight in at under 50Mb easily. |
| 12:09.29 | cafuego | neocorp: That's probably the easiest way, yes. |
| 12:09.38 | abrotman | rutski89: at my office .. we host our own stuff .. plus a few others .. i really doubt we exceed 10GB/month |
| 12:09.46 | MustangMatt | rutski89: What do you want to know? I've trimmed the business down to only hosting for customers we design for. |
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| 12:09.57 | neocorp | cafuego > ok I will try , thanks thanks for your help :) |
| 12:09.59 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: cool |
| 12:10.00 | Guerin | my server is using 75% of 4G, but that's hosting web and mail for eight domains, backups, and a full OS |
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| 12:10.07 | cafuego | neocorp: good luck :-) |
| 12:10.18 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: how do you do your hardware? |
| 12:10.36 | abrotman | rutski89: i think you're seriously overestimating the amount of bandwidth you'll use |
| 12:10.38 | liable | Guerin: you actually do hosting? |
| 12:10.42 | cafuego | re same for ~ 100 domains |
| 12:10.42 | MustangMatt | rutski89: Well with the help of people like abrotman, liable and peterS I'm able to keep my machines running. heh. |
| 12:10.52 | abrotman | MustangMatt: yay! |
| 12:10.53 | Guerin | liable: hell no. Power here is far too unreliable. |
| 12:10.56 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: hehe, cool |
| 12:11.00 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea, i think i might be |
| 12:11.13 | Guerin | liable: and I'm bloody lazy |
| 12:11.15 | liable | Guerin: heh, sounds like my place :) |
| 12:11.16 | rutski89 | abrotman: i suppose i shold start with a low bandwidth deal, and ramp it up if i need to |
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| 12:11.20 | abrotman | rutski89: unless you're hosting pirated stuff .. 10GB is A LOT of stuff |
| 12:11.25 | liable | even more.. |
| 12:11.31 | rutski89 | abrotman: heh, no |
| 12:11.35 | cafuego | liable: $300/mo for a facility serviced box is a small price to pay for lack of irate clients on phone when power goes out. |
| 12:11.37 | abrotman | rutski89: and a lot of places will just bill you extra if you go over |
| 12:11.42 | MustangMatt | rutski89: My rack consists of 3 compaq servers and two 1u intel servers and a few various other machines. I try to keep development machines separate from production machines. |
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| 12:11.52 | abrotman | cafuego: you give clients your number? :) |
| 12:11.54 | liable | cafuego: yerp. |
| 12:11.54 | rutski89 | abrotman: i know, and a lot x-tra at that |
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| 12:11.59 | cafuego | abrotman: Of course. |
| 12:12.15 | liable | 1800 whogivesafuck :) |
| 12:12.18 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: where do you keep them, how'd you buy them, what kind of internet connection are they on? |
| 12:12.22 | abrotman | rutski89: but it's like your Cell minutes .. if you don't go over .. no point in paying for a expensive plan |
| 12:12.26 | abrotman | cafuego: it was a joke :) |
| 12:12.29 | MustangMatt | I have one customer that was using 30 GB of bandwidth/month and I made them pay for another T1. If I did my math right 30GB/month is what a T1 can support under full load 24x7 |
| 12:12.34 | rutski89 | abrotman: lol, yea |
| 12:12.36 | cafuego | abrotman: Especially my HOT clients. |
| 12:12.38 | Guerin | liable: the server i'm referring to is a vps in texas |
| 12:12.42 | rutski89 | abrotman: naw, the company i have is great for the price though |
| 12:12.44 | abrotman | cafuego: aren't you .. married ? |
| 12:12.49 | rutski89 | abrotman: $300/mo for 2000GB |
| 12:12.57 | cafuego | abrotman: What does that have to do with anything? |
| 12:13.00 | rutski89 | abrotman: compare that to $50/mo for 10GB :-p |
| 12:13.01 | liable | Guerin: ah, ok. |
| 12:13.11 | abrotman | cafuego: nothing .. unless your wife is a card carrying NRA member :) |
| 12:13.13 | rutski89 | abrotman: my deal is a LOT more on the dollar, but still, i know what you mean |
| 12:13.15 | MustangMatt | rutski89: I keep them in an environmentally controlled (semi-soundproof) room. I bought them from various places. They're on two bonded T1s through Savvis. |
| 12:13.23 | cafuego | abrotman: Pff. Traditionalist. |
| 12:13.30 | abrotman | rutski89: i'd still rather CoLo my own server and pay less |
| 12:13.40 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: how'd you get your hands on the location, do you rent a room in a building or something? |
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| 12:13.46 | abrotman | cafuego: not me .. but your gun-toting wife might be :) |
| 12:13.53 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: and a T1 is fast enough? |
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| 12:14.05 | abrotman | rutski89: a T1 is 1.544Mbps |
| 12:14.08 | rutski89 | abrotman: i know |
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| 12:14.13 | cafuego | abrotman: The only one toting a gun is my mom (air rifle champoin) and she's 20,000 km away. |
| 12:14.20 | MustangMatt | rutski89: Started in my house and eventually got a lease for office space. Two T1s are fast enough for the most part. We aren't hosting high bandwidth sites though. Just lots and lots of low bandwidth sites. |
| 12:14.21 | abrotman | rutski89: and unless oyu're doing a ton of stuff .. it's fine |
| 12:14.25 | rutski89 | abrotman: thats 200KB/s isn't it? |
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| 12:14.31 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm scared |
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| 12:14.39 | MustangMatt | rutski89: About 180 kb/s max. |
| 12:14.43 | abrotman | rutski89: roughly |
| 12:14.43 | elirips | OT: hi people. somebody knows if a mac can read an ext3-partition, and somebody knows where a mac user has to click to connect to my smb-shares? |
| 12:14.44 | cafuego | abrotman: you better be missy! |
| 12:14.50 | daReaper | I Have a server and when I login with SSH, everything workes fine, but when i try to login with SFTP i get an error incorrect user/pass. However from the server itself I can SFTP localhost perfectly fine... Any ideas of what could be wrong? |
| 12:14.50 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: sweet, how'd you start in your house? |
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| 12:14.53 | MustangMatt | Rutski89: Per t1. |
| 12:14.54 | abrotman | cafuego: now i see why you moved away :) |
| 12:14.59 | cafuego | elirips: Via osx? good question... |
| 12:15.05 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: yea, hehe, i get 900KB/s off my server :-p |
| 12:15.15 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: i think i got something too fast for my needs O.o |
| 12:15.16 | abrotman | rutski89: you get a T rn to your house .. |
| 12:15.22 | cafuego | abrotman: it's ok, you're not actually allowed to move those weapons off club premises without a police permit in holland. |
| 12:15.31 | MustangMatt | rutski89: What do you mean how? I just ordered the line and my neighbors hate me every time the local phone company digs up their yard. |
| 12:15.31 | rutski89 | abrotman: hehe, sound appealing |
| 12:15.33 | abrotman | rutski89: doesn't your hosting company tell you how much you use every month ? |
| 12:15.45 | abrotman | cafuego: you mean .. BB guns .. right ? |
| 12:15.46 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea |
| 12:15.49 | cafuego | abrotman: yep |
| 12:15.55 | McCabe | anyone knows what is wrong when "runsvctrl" says "runsvctrl: warning: apache: unable to change directory: file does not exist", but there is indeed an 'apache' directory in /etc/runit and runsv is used to keep the server alive (ie, on a "killall apache", apache will be restarted again) |
| 12:15.56 | rutski89 | abrotman: i don't really have any customers yet lol |
| 12:15.59 | abrotman | cafuego: and you can't .. take them off the grounds ? |
| 12:16.03 | cafuego | abrotman: Nope. |
| 12:16.09 | abrotman | cafuego: and regular guns ? |
| 12:16.16 | liable | cafuego: arent you in .au? |
| 12:16.19 | cafuego | abrotman: Not unless you like shit food and cramped quarters. |
| 12:16.27 | abrotman | rutski89: 300/month is too much then :) |
| 12:16.34 | cafuego | abrotman: The police have those, so they get to carry 'em. |
| 12:16.36 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm so moving to holland! |
| 12:16.40 | rutski89 | abrotman: other than the family and friends who will be willing to pay me pretty much what ever i ask |
| 12:16.42 | cafuego | , yes. |
| 12:16.48 | Guerin | guns don't kill people |
| 12:16.55 | abrotman | bullets do |
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| 12:17.03 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea, i might switch this whole operation over to my house O.o |
| 12:17.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:17.17 | abrotman | rutski89: you can get business DSL to your house also |
| 12:17.17 | rutski89 | abrotman: on another note, how much do you think i should charge for website design? |
| 12:17.22 | Guerin | i was going to say that stupidity did |
| 12:17.28 | abrotman | rutski89: depends on the complexity of the site |
| 12:17.29 | rutski89 | abrotman: I've got cable right now, i wonder how fast that is |
| 12:17.32 | MustangMatt | rutski89: The problem you'll run into is backup power and heat/noise if you have enough servers. |
| 12:17.37 | cafuego | liable: indeed |
| 12:17.41 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: hehe, just 1 for now |
| 12:17.55 | abrotman | rutski89: you need static IPs .. |
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| 12:18.04 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea, that too |
| 12:18.18 | MustangMatt | rutski89: Yah I got a full class C through savvis for no charge. That was nice. :) |
| 12:18.21 | abrotman | optonline is a cable company ? |
| 12:18.29 | rutski89 | abrotman: Something that is first of all professional looking. My uncle needs to be able to update his store's online showcase by himself, and he needs an online shopping cart |
| 12:18.37 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: how so? |
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| 12:18.43 | abrotman | MustangMatt: XO just says "You need more IPs .. ok .. tell us why .. sounds good .. here you go" :) |
| 12:18.53 | rutski89 | abrotman: I know I can do all that, it'll just take some time and effort |
| 12:19.01 | MustangMatt | rutski89: It's just their policy. As long as it's justified you can have as many as you like. |
| 12:19.17 | MustangMatt | I wish I owned my class C but that's expensive through arin. |
| 12:19.19 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: hu? |
| 12:19.24 | cafuego | abrotman: yeah, my old ISP was like that as well. |
| 12:19.58 | abrotman | cafuego: it's not a bad deal .. cuts down on waste i suppose |
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| 12:20.30 | rutski89 | abrotman: "DSL packages deliver speeds up to 3M/768k" |
| 12:20.38 | rutski89 | abrotman: thats 3MB up/down? |
| 12:20.39 | abrotman | rutski89: http://www.optimum.com/business/index.jhtml?pageType=pricing_bcool |
| 12:20.42 | cafuego | abrotman: waste AND red tape :-) |
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| 12:20.51 | rutski89 | abrotman: up faster than down? isn't it ususally the other way around |
| 12:20.51 | abrotman | rutski89: you're usually more worried about Up with hosting |
| 12:21.07 | abrotman | rutski89: that is 3M down .. 768k up |
| 12:21.07 | rutski89 | abrotman: ahh, yea, i guess i'm used to looking at home packages |
| 12:21.11 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea |
| 12:21.39 | abrotman | cafuego: yeah .. we just wanted another 16 for a hosting client .. and they gave them up within a few hours |
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| 12:21.45 | MustangMatt | grub doesn't like to install while in chrooted environment does it? |
| 12:21.57 | abrotman | it can |
| 12:22.14 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Is there any trick to it? I'm getting the same error I got last time I tried it: The file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly. |
| 12:22.20 | rutski89 | abrotman: from OOL for business: http://www.optimum.com/business/index.jhtml?pageType=pricing_bcool |
| 12:22.25 | abrotman | rutski89: but make sure that plan includes static IPs .. and allows onsite hosting |
| 12:22.27 | rutski89 | ** Optimum Online for business can connect at up to 10Mbs downstream and up to 1Mbps upstream. |
| 12:22.28 | cafuego | rutski:89: Have a look at 'www.oscomemrce.com |
| 12:22.42 | abrotman | MustangMatt: need error |
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| 12:22.52 | MustangMatt | abrotman: That's it. |
| 12:22.59 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:23.06 | abrotman | MustangMatt: then it doesn't boot? |
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| 12:23.28 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Last time I got this when moving from my software md mirror to hda. So I setup one of the sata drives to boot off the hda drive and then ran grub-install and it worked fine. |
| 12:23.40 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Right it won't boot. Or at least didn't last time. |
| 12:23.49 | abrotman | MustangMatt: what's the command you're trying ? |
| 12:23.49 | liable | MustangMatt: i spose do the same you did before. then run it. or possibly purge, re-install grub |
| 12:24.12 | rutski89 | abrotman: if I can cover my current costs, wouldn't i be better off staying where i am? |
| 12:24.27 | MustangMatt | abrotman: grub-install /dev/sda |
| 12:24.30 | abrotman | rutski89: i suppose ... except for the renting a server thing |
| 12:24.53 | rutski89 | abrotman: a T1 will cost at least $300, or a busniess DSL will cost 70, and then i've got the the whole over head of keeping servers at home |
| 12:25.01 | rutski89 | abrotman: and i don't even have enough money to buy a server anyway |
| 12:25.04 | abrotman | MustangMatt: other than maybe directing it to a menu.lst .. i'm not sure why that wouldn't work |
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| 12:25.17 | rutski89 | abrotman: why, it's not a bad price |
| 12:25.22 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Yah it's odd. Oh well I can work around it. |
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| 12:25.40 | abrotman | rutski89: you pay half of what my company pays for a T1 that provides data and voice :) |
| 12:25.44 | MustangMatt | rutski89: If you don't have enough money to buy a server maybe you're jumping into this a little too quickly? :) |
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| 12:25.58 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: **don't want to buy a server |
| 12:25.59 | abrotman | rutski89: you're paying for the server rental ... |
| 12:26.00 | cafuego | MustangMatt: grub via chroot works fine, that's how it's ALWYS installed on first install <heh> |
| 12:26.06 | MustangMatt | The number one reasons new businesses fail is insufficient funding. |
| 12:26.08 | abrotman | rutski89: ask that company how much it woudl be to colo |
| 12:26.12 | liable | MustangMatt: for shits and giggles, edit the automagic bits to say /dev/sda1 then try |
| 12:26.15 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: heh, I have moeny, i'd just rather save it up for investing when Trolltech does their IPO |
| 12:26.23 | rutski89 | abrotman: sure, 1 sec, i'll check |
| 12:26.38 | rutski89 | abrotman: fyi, it's www.theplanet.com |
| 12:26.42 | peterS | MustangMatt: I'm guessing the stage2 error is related to grub trying to figure out where /boot lives, and reading "/proc/mounts" for this purpose - which will include the non-chrooted stuff, decidedly confusing the issue |
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| 12:27.01 | abrotman | did marc get his fixed ? |
| 12:27.03 | MustangMatt | peterS: What are you doing up already!? O.o |
| 12:27.06 | abrotman | peterS: Ode to Joy! |
| 12:27.07 | Marc | no |
| 12:27.08 | Marc | lol |
| 12:27.12 | peterS | abrotman: who is Joy? |
| 12:27.12 | Marc | i gave up |
| 12:27.22 | abrotman | gave up ? |
| 12:27.26 | Marc | yep |
| 12:27.31 | abrotman | why? |
| 12:27.31 | brosio | i'm using alsa driver but now i don't have /dev/dsp |
| 12:27.46 | Marc | cos it still wont work >.< |
| 12:27.58 | peterS | MustangMatt: actually I went off and did something completely different, instead of going to sleep. 500 lines or so of lilypond input |
| 12:27.58 | abrotman | Marc: you can keep asking us questions :) |
| 12:28.12 | brosio | and i need it to work with skype how can i do ? |
| 12:28.14 | abrotman | peterS: you dirty boy! |
| 12:28.18 | MustangMatt | peterS: To catch you up to speed. I used a win98 disk and flashed the firmware on both cards. Now I'm about to reboot onto the drives. |
| 12:28.25 | peterS | MustangMatt: ahh |
| 12:28.33 | abrotman | peterS: and he installed a kernel from etch |
| 12:28.43 | peterS | abrotman: so like linux-image-2.6.12-686? |
| 12:28.44 | abrotman | peterS: anything good ? |
| 12:28.55 | MustangMatt | peterS: Yes -smp |
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| 12:29.09 | MustangMatt | peterS: That got rid of the aacraid card is on fire messages. |
| 12:29.09 | peterS | abrotman: something copyrighted, so I can't release my version. "Hymn to St. Cecilia" by Britetn |
| 12:29.13 | Marc | http://pastebin.com/387027 |
| 12:29.13 | peterS | Britten, even |
| 12:29.14 | rutski89 | abrotman: o yea, how much should i charge for making that website? |
| 12:29.24 | rutski89 | abrotman: Something that is first of all professional looking. My uncle needs to be able to update his store's online showcase by himself, and he needs an online shopping cart |
| 12:29.25 | abrotman | peterS: the actual image linux-image-2.6.12-1-686-smp |
| 12:29.26 | peterS | MustangMatt: oh, cool. nice to know it was a simple and fixable issue |
| 12:29.35 | rutski89 | abrotman: I know I can do all that, it'll just take some time and effort |
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| 12:29.40 | abrotman | rutski89: depends on what you think your time is worth .. |
| 12:29.44 | peterS | abrotman: right, I am a bit too tired to remember to type the -1 |
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| 12:29.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:30.02 | rutski89 | abrotman: well, i get $11/hr at work |
| 12:30.09 | abrotman | rutski89: for doing what? |
| 12:30.12 | Marc | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/387027 |
| 12:30.18 | MustangMatt | rutski89: Development prices probably will depend on how much skill you have? Most companies I deal with will submit a RFP and I'll bid it. I probably win 80% of the bids if I actually get a face to face meeting. |
| 12:30.20 | peterS | MustangMatt: anyway that's my theory on why grub-install was so much happier after you rebooted that one time (and thus it's likely to work this next time too) |
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| 12:30.24 | liable | thats almost as bad as what i get. |
| 12:30.35 | Guerin | US$11/hour is NOT BAD MONEY |
| 12:30.36 | rutski89 | abrotman: Helping out arround the IT office with everything from balnking hard drives to writing software in ColdFusion to doing UNIX administration |
| 12:30.44 | rutski89 | abrotman: it's only on mondays, and I'm only 16 :-p |
| 12:30.50 | liable | Guerin: .au *is* |
| 12:30.52 | abrotman | rutski89: so it's your uncle .. be nice :) |
| 12:31.01 | MustangMatt | Is this bad? shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl |
| 12:31.04 | rutski89 | abrotman: hehe, yea, but I need to cover costs O.o |
| 12:31.11 | Marc | abrotman any ideas? |
| 12:31.13 | rutski89 | abrotman: and I'm going to be doing two other websites for church |
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| 12:31.34 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: RPF? |
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| 12:31.42 | MustangMatt | We just did one for a church: http://harvestercc.org/ They're in charge of inputting data though and they haven't finished yet. |
| 12:31.48 | MustangMatt | RFP = Request For Proposal |
| 12:31.52 | abrotman | Marc: dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/cacti<hittabafewtimes> |
| 12:31.56 | Guerin | liable: agreed. |
| 12:31.59 | izzy | If I have an empty file (just touched) called .xsession in my home directory, X starts and exits again. If I remove it, X starts and runs normally. WTF? |
| 12:32.04 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: ahh |
| 12:32.10 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: i really don't know though |
| 12:32.12 | peterS | izzy: that's normal. why did you want to have an empty .xsession file? |
| 12:32.15 | azeem | rutski89: no, Request of Packaging |
| 12:32.17 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: I've never done this b4 |
| 12:32.18 | liable | izzy: put your desired wm in it.. |
| 12:32.20 | azeem | s/of/for/ |
| 12:32.25 | Guerin | izzy: it tries to run it if it exists; if it doesn't exist, it uses the default in /etc/X11 |
| 12:32.43 | peterS | izzy: an empty .xsession file is pretty pointless. it'll give you an empty login session, which is what you just saw |
| 12:32.47 | Marc | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/387029 |
| 12:32.55 | izzy | ah. I need to add "exec fluxbox", then? |
| 12:32.55 | abrotman | rutski89: think of this as your first big website .. charge enough to make it worth it .. but you're basically experimenting on your uncle(and it will be your portfolio for future clients) |
| 12:33.01 | peterS | izzy: or just 'fluxbox' |
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| 12:33.21 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea, i suppose so |
| 12:33.28 | peterS | izzy: the 'exec' is a silly optimisation that doesn't do anything much, and confuses people into trying to use it in places it won't work |
| 12:33.33 | abrotman | Marc: that's kind of silly .. i just told it to replace the conf file :) |
| 12:33.41 | mjk64 | peterS: Hey, it saves memory! |
| 12:33.56 | Marc | so what can i do >.< |
| 12:33.58 | rutski89 | abrotman: I mean, what should I go for, $300? $500? $100? $50? |
| 12:34.00 | abrotman | !info cacti sarge |
| 12:34.06 | rutski89 | abrotman: more? |
| 12:34.11 | dpkg | cacti: (Frontend to rrdtool for monitoring systems and services), section web, is extra. Version: 0.8.6c-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 1028 kB, Installed size: 3972 kB |
| 12:34.13 | abrotman | rutski89: most people do it per hour iirc |
| 12:34.19 | peterS | mjk64: depends on your shell - I think some will implicitly exec when it's the end of your script anyway |
| 12:34.31 | rutski89 | abrotman: hmm, so what per hour? |
| 12:34.43 | rutski89 | abrotman: $10, $20, $30? |
| 12:34.44 | abrotman | Marc: put the -i in front of the --force-confmiss maybe ? |
| 12:34.46 | izzy | peterS: ah. now it runs, even with the file. I "need" to have that file, because that's how I'm used to load gkrellm, xbindkeys and other stuff :) |
| 12:34.48 | mjk64 | peterS: Oh! Hm ... that'd be quite intelligent. So no shell will optimize like that. ;-) |
| 12:34.48 | izzy | thanks |
| 12:34.53 | abrotman | rutski89: that depends on your skills |
| 12:34.58 | peterS | rutski89: dude, you're 16, $7 / hour is cause for celebration. if you are getting more than that, relax |
| 12:35.01 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea, thats what i just thought too |
| 12:35.04 | abrotman | rutski89: some web people can charge $100/hour |
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| 12:35.13 | Marc | abrotman: Same error |
| 12:35.14 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea, but they really get their stuff done fast |
| 12:35.23 | abrotman | rutski89: then change him $10/hour |
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| 12:35.36 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea, that sounds alright |
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| 12:36.00 | abrotman | Marc: does /etc/cacti/debian.php exist ? |
| 12:36.05 | Marc | no |
| 12:36.06 | Guerin | wshit man |
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| 12:36.12 | abrotman | Marc: double check please :) |
| 12:36.20 | Guerin | my first job was NZ$8/hour |
| 12:36.25 | rutski89 | abrotman: design, SVG to css conversion, product update system, and shopping cart (in php/mysql) |
| 12:36.28 | Guerin | gutting fish |
| 12:36.32 | Guerin | and THAT was good! |
| 12:36.33 | peterS | Guerin: kids these days |
| 12:36.36 | liable | Marc: what the fuck have you done to get these errors, they dont happen by themselves.. |
| 12:36.41 | Marc | http://pastebin.com/387034 |
| 12:36.47 | MustangMatt | rutski89: We charge $100/hour for design and $125/hour for application development. |
| 12:36.47 | Marc | liable: ive done nothing. |
| 12:36.53 | rutski89 | abrotman: should take me 2-3 dozen hours? so 10/hr sounds great |
| 12:36.55 | peterS | Guerin: "I know html, I should make more than a lot of people twice my age" |
| 12:36.58 | Guerin | peterS: *rock* *rock* |
| 12:37.03 | Guerin | peterS: hah |
| 12:37.08 | abrotman | rutski89: i bet it takes you over 100 hours :) |
| 12:37.15 | rutski89 | abrotman: hehe, maybe :-p |
| 12:37.25 | rutski89 | abrotman: I am good enough to get hired at the hospital though ^^ |
| 12:37.27 | abrotman | rutski89: you'll start something .. realize it doesn't work .. start again |
| 12:37.37 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea, I've been there, don't worry :-p |
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| 12:37.48 | MustangMatt | rutski89: My tip to you is to learn to love pear. (pear.php.net) |
| 12:37.59 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: ahh, so i've heard, i'll check it out |
| 12:38.03 | peterS | that's if you are constrained to use PHP. *shudder* |
| 12:38.17 | abrotman | peterS: there are worse web languages |
| 12:38.24 | peterS | abrotman: what, fortran? |
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| 12:38.45 | abrotman | peterS: ASP,JSP, (i'm not a big fan of Perl for web) |
| 12:39.03 | peterS | ASP isn't actually a language, but I know what you mean |
| 12:39.04 | abrotman | peterS: ColdFusion(the older stuff, dunno about newer) was just god damned horrible |
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| 12:39.20 | MustangMatt | php5 rocks! |
| 12:39.21 | Marc | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/387037 |
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| 12:39.39 | peterS | has php5 finally got namespaces? |
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| 12:39.57 | peterS | (no, prefixes with underscores do not count) |
| 12:40.07 | abrotman | !find cacti/apache.conf |
| 12:40.16 | abrotman | !find cacti/apache.conf sarge |
| 12:40.21 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'cacti/apache.conf' returned no results. |
| 12:40.27 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'cacti/apache.conf' returned no results. |
| 12:40.30 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 12:40.44 | abrotman | Marc: you can just touch that file again if you want ... |
| 12:40.52 | MustangMatt | peterS: Nope you still have to emulate namespaces :( |
| 12:40.55 | liable | Marc: erm, something is going on with your /etc dir.. |
| 12:41.01 | peterS | yeah ... next? |
| 12:41.11 | dorto | how to reconfigure a mouse in debian? my scroll is not working. |
| 12:41.12 | Marc | liable: nothing is wrong with it. |
| 12:41.13 | MustangMatt | peterS: But it has gotten a lot of powerful features moving it closer and closer to C. |
| 12:41.18 | Marc | liable: its just cacti. |
| 12:41.21 | tyresejones | I'm having problems with my KDE autologon |
| 12:41.22 | dorto | do i have to configure the entire X for that? |
| 12:41.26 | xelam | no |
| 12:41.27 | peterS | dorto: have you got kernel 2.4 or kernel 2.6? uname -r will tell |
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| 12:41.35 | abrotman | liable: it's a sieve :) |
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| 12:41.46 | dorto | kernel 2.4 but i have just installed 2.6 so i can reboot into that if that is simpler |
| 12:42.10 | xelam | cluck cluck |
| 12:42.16 | peterS | dorto: well, what kind of mouse have you? plugged into USB or into PS/2? |
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| 12:42.29 | dorto | ps/2 |
| 12:42.52 | peterS | dorto: so, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
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| 12:43.02 | peterS | dorto: when it asks you about your mouse device, it is /dev/psaux as you already have |
| 12:43.07 | dorto | yes |
| 12:43.13 | peterS | dorto: when it asks you about the mouse *protocol*, instead of saying PS/2, say ExplorerPS/2 |
| 12:43.15 | dorto | it asked me to enable scroll also |
| 12:43.18 | dorto | i did |
| 12:43.21 | dorto | oh |
| 12:43.26 | dorto | ok |
| 12:43.27 | stjepan | hello |
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| 12:43.39 | peterS | that's "Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer", which most PS/2 mice are compatible with these days |
| 12:43.58 | dorto | yes, mine is also microsoft mouse |
| 12:44.05 | cafuego | and peterS knows, he's mouseman |
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| 12:44.40 | peterS | maybe I'm even a MouseMan Plus |
| 12:44.46 | cafuego | <hee> |
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| 12:45.04 | cheal | I thought peterS would be a manman |
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| 12:45.14 | peterS | cheal: you'd be surprised |
| 12:45.15 | cafuego | Is that a trackball or are you just happy to see me? |
| 12:45.23 | cheal | isn't that necessary to do UNIX support? |
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| 12:45.34 | peterS | cafuego: just happy to see you. ahem. |
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| 12:45.48 | MustangMatt | Alright I booted off the hardware raid without the aid of the ide drive. Had a little Control+D action in the middle I need to get worked out with md. |
| 12:46.07 | peterS | MustangMatt: would that be a matter of telling /etc/fstab what is up with your partitions? |
| 12:46.40 | cheal | hehe, that's effectively a Manman |
| 12:46.43 | MustangMatt | peterS: Well that's odd. That is what the problem is, but I changed this already. I wonder how it reverted. |
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| 12:46.54 | Bondro | Hi, I'm wondering why my locales aren't working correctly. I set them to 'de_DE@euro', but in X the titlebars of Firefox or Thunderbird aren't shown correctly with umlaut. Does anyone know what to change? |
| 12:47.07 | peterS | MustangMatt: no doubt it was a matter of confusion between your different copies of the root filesystem. very easy. |
| 12:47.17 | liable | MustangMatt: the grub line? |
| 12:47.33 | cafuego | Bondro: You prolly need UTF8 and not iso8859-1 |
| 12:47.51 | Bondro | cafuego: k, i'll try |
| 12:47.59 | tyresejones | http://pastebot.geeksinthehood.net:8888/156 - KDE autologin not working, what am I doing wrong? |
| 12:48.00 | peterS | MustangMatt: btw, now that you have your machine booting only off the raid card, you can probably remove those lines from /etc/mkinitrd/modules - since mkinitrd sees what your root filesystem is, it should get the scsi module right. however, there's no *need* to change it back, so I wouldn't bother |
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| 12:48.11 | MustangMatt | uh oh... /boot/grub is empty except device.map |
| 12:48.13 | cafuego | de_DE.UTF-8 |
| 12:48.23 | peterS | MustangMatt: probably because /boot isn't mounted |
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| 12:48.50 | stjepan | MustangMatt: what's in /boot? |
| 12:48.52 | MustangMatt | peterS: because /etc/fstab was wrong? |
| 12:48.55 | peterS | yep |
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| 12:49.11 | peterS | MustangMatt: (and, btw, don't trust the 'mount' command to tell you what's mounted. it is often wrong in situations like this one. trust 'cat /proc/mounts' instead.) |
| 12:49.16 | stjepan | MustangMatt: I do not think so |
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| 12:49.36 | izzy | What packages do I need to install on Debian stable to be able to compile general stuff that comes in tarballs? |
| 12:49.42 | izzy | gcc and stuff... |
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| 12:50.01 | peterS | izzy: build-essential |
| 12:50.03 | liable | izzy: build-essential |
| 12:50.11 | liable | !lose me |
| 12:50.11 | stjepan | Debian stable releases are not up-to-date. :( But what if I want to update my system?? There is old GNOME, old KDE, .... :( |
| 12:50.13 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 12:50.20 | izzy | Great. Thanks. |
| 12:50.21 | liable | dpkg: you lag! |
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| 12:50.39 | liable | dpkg: hi |
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| 12:50.39 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 12:51.13 | izzy | stjepan: try testing, then, if you really want to |
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| 12:51.20 | peterS | liable: at this end dpkg is lagging 2 seconds or less behind you |
| 12:51.24 | stjepan | izzy: what do you use? |
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| 12:51.35 | liable | peterS: hrm. |
| 12:51.38 | stjepan | izzy: how often do you upgrade system? |
| 12:51.50 | annoia | I'm getting this error a lot: "setlocale() :: No such file or directory" ... What am I missing? |
| 12:51.54 | izzy | stjepan: I don't use gnome or KDE. I run Debian stable with fluxbox and I'm perfectly comfortable with that. |
| 12:52.04 | peterS | annoia: hard to say. maybe the 'locales' package? |
| 12:52.06 | abrotman | stjepan: how old is your GNOME that it's too old ? |
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| 12:52.16 | peterS | annoia: that's not likely because 'locales' comes standard in the base install |
| 12:52.18 | stjepan | annoia: I think setlocale is in one header file in STL |
| 12:52.20 | annoia | peters - No, I have that... |
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| 12:52.34 | stjepan | abrotman: I want GNOME 2.10 :D |
| 12:52.43 | abrotman | stjepan: why? |
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| 12:52.45 | bakfupai | Any experts on VNC? =) |
| 12:52.56 | annoia | stjepan - Wouldn't that be libc? |
| 12:53.03 | annoia | bakfupai - Try us? |
| 12:53.10 | peterS | abrotman: duh, because ten is bigger than eight |
| 12:53.13 | bakfupai | Ok... |
| 12:53.25 | stjepan | annoia: maybe, try to update libc |
| 12:53.37 | liable | meh .10 is *old* :P |
| 12:53.46 | bakfupai | I can't get vnc to start fluxbox, been trying for half an hour now and I'm getting tired. |
| 12:53.47 | abrotman | peterS: i'm glad you can still count .. we've got at least an hour in you yet :) |
| 12:53.48 | stjepan | abrotman: GNOME 2.10 is different |
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| 12:53.57 | abrotman | stjepan: different *HOW* ? |
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| 12:54.17 | annoia | stjepan - I'm running on a newly installed sid, it should be new enough... ;) |
| 12:54.29 | peterS | abrotman: I'm kind of doubting it. I'm preparing for bed, which is to say, snacking randomly until I decide I've had enough junk food and can sleep |
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| 12:54.38 | abrotman | peterS: eggs! |
| 12:54.45 | bakfupai | Fluxbox works perfectly so vnc's gotta be the problem. |
| 12:54.49 | peterS | abrotman: good idea! I bought a dozen just last night, I should fry a couple |
| 12:54.51 | liable | HELLO, WHY IS DEBINA SO OLD !?!? LOL YOU FUXORZ!!!! |
| 12:54.58 | abrotman | peterS: i just did! |
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| 12:55.04 | stjepan | annoia: setlocales is in locales.h |
| 12:55.07 | abrotman | liable: because you're too stupid to spell debian |
| 12:55.17 | MustangMatt | Awesome successful boot without any intervention. |
| 12:55.23 | liable | abrotman: WENAS! |
| 12:55.26 | stjepan | annoia: do "updatedb" and then "locate locales.h" |
| 12:55.29 | MustangMatt | Have i mentioned how much you guys rock lately? |
| 12:55.30 | usn_router | usn@poseidon:~$ apt-get moo |
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| 12:55.37 | abrotman | idiot |
| 12:55.44 | peterS | I think we should create a distribution called Debain Gun/Linux |
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| 12:56.01 | annoia | stjepan - Not locale.h? |
| 12:56.10 | abrotman | !locales.h |
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| 12:56.17 | usn_router | pah :) |
| 12:56.18 | abrotman | usn_router: don't paste here |
| 12:56.23 | stjepan | annoia: I am not sure, try both :) |
| 12:56.40 | abrotman | t-dialin is Dialup only ? |
| 12:56.46 | abrotman | where's streuner ? |
| 12:56.50 | stjepan | usn_router: haha, isn't that like cowsay and cowthink? |
| 12:56.56 | annoia | stjepan - Well, I do have locale.h |
| 12:56.57 | bakfupai | Anyone? |
| 12:56.59 | annoia | Not locales |
| 12:57.05 | abrotman | stjepan: apt-get moo |
| 12:57.14 | abrotman | and for that matter .. aptitude -vvvvv moo |
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| 12:57.19 | izzy | Where can I get the "XTest library"? I need it to compile Synergy. I had compatibility issues with the precompiled version in apt. |
| 12:57.23 | stjepan | abrotman: what's that? moo? |
| 12:57.32 | stjepan | abrotman: a joke? |
| 12:57.33 | abrotman | apt-get moo |
| 12:57.42 | abrotman | no .. your computer will start mooing until you shoot it |
| 12:57.43 | annoia | bakfupai - What _does_ it start? |
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| 12:57.49 | bakfupai | twm |
| 12:57.54 | kevin` | what's the proper way to (re)compile the kernel for debian.. new install |
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| 12:58.02 | stjepan | abrotman: how? :D xshoot? :D |
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| 12:58.06 | abrotman | !tell kevin` about kp |
| 12:58.08 | abrotman | xkill |
| 12:58.27 | kevin` | mmm |
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| 12:59.02 | stjepan | Debian Cons: Slow release cycle, the stable version tends to be out-dated. |
| 12:59.09 | stjepan | What do you think of that? |
| 12:59.15 | abrotman | stjepan: we think you're stupid :) |
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| 12:59.27 | annoia | stjepan - I also get "An error occured when trying to use the locale: en_DK:en_US:en_GB:en" |
| 12:59.30 | stjepan | abrotman: :D I copied that from distrowatch :) |
| 12:59.32 | abrotman | stjepan: if yon don't like debian .. don't use it |
| 12:59.33 | liable | stjepan: install another distro, and tell someone who cares? |
| 12:59.41 | bakfupai | If stable isn't good enough, try test. It's fine in most cases. |
| 12:59.41 | annoia | bakfupai - Have you tried setting it in .xinitrc or .xsession? |
| 12:59.42 | Soots | how do i uninstall kde? |
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| 12:59.49 | abrotman | remove libqt |
| 12:59.51 | dreamind | Hi folks |
| 12:59.57 | stjepan | annoia: sry, I do not know what's problem :( |
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| 13:00.04 | Soots | libqt? |
| 13:00.05 | bakfupai | I have exec fluxbox in $HOME/.xinitrc yes. |
| 13:00.13 | annoia | stjepan - Well, I thought that looked like a pretty funky locale.. |
| 13:00.20 | adz | anyone know the fs type on a usb pen? |
| 13:00.22 | stjepan | abrotman: I like Debian |
| 13:00.24 | dreamind | can somebody help me with non-ntpl on pure64 x86_64? |
| 13:00.26 | abrotman | Soots: you know .. libqt |
| 13:00.31 | abrotman | !qt |
| 13:00.31 | dpkg | somebody said qt was a cross-platform toolkit developed by TrollTech Inc, that works across UNIX (X11), Windows, and Mac (http://www.trolltech.com). To compile packages (mainly KDE) using it on Debian, try: --prefix=/usr --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 |
| 13:00.35 | dreamind | seems there is no /lib/tls there |
| 13:00.46 | liable | !remove kde |
| 13:00.46 | dpkg | i guess remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 13:00.47 | abrotman | that's just horrible |
| 13:00.53 | kevin` | abrotman what about a kernel like 2.6.13 |
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| 13:00.59 | stjepan | abrotman: do you do apt-get upgrade? |
| 13:01.00 | abrotman | kevin`: what about it? |
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| 13:01.11 | abrotman | stjepan: i'm still running stable *with* gnome |
| 13:01.15 | kevin` | well I doubt there's a package yet for the latest |
| 13:01.16 | annoia | stjepan - ... And that _was_ the problem... |
| 13:01.22 | kevin` | patches? |
| 13:01.23 | annoia | FYI :) |
| 13:01.27 | abrotman | stjepan: if you think you need 2.10 .. you've got deficiencies |
| 13:01.37 | abrotman | !2.6.13 |
| 13:01.37 | dpkg | 2.6.13 is, like, in experimental |
| 13:01.42 | abrotman | kevin`: and may explode |
| 13:01.43 | stjepan | annoia: "was"? So now it isn't? |
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| 13:01.54 | kevin` | abrotman so it explodes |
| 13:02.04 | annoia | stjepan - Well, if I change the environment variable there's no problem, but it's still being set. |
| 13:02.06 | abrotman | ok .. enjoy |
| 13:02.41 | stjepan | well, how often do you upgrade your system? what do you recommend to me? I want my system up-to-date |
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| 13:03.02 | liable | kernel.org 2.6.13 is apparently stable.. |
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| 13:03.12 | abrotman | stjepan: only when there are security updates .. do you know how Debian/stable works ? |
| 13:03.15 | liable | stjepan: why do you need a newer kernel anyway? |
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| 13:03.43 | abrotman | liable: no .. he wants gnome 2.10 cause it's got sparklies |
| 13:03.50 | stjepan | aha |
| 13:03.51 | stjepan | tnx |
| 13:04.02 | izzy | Where can I get the "XTest library"? I need it to compile Synergy. I had compatibility issues with the precompiled version in apt. |
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| 13:04.09 | abrotman | izzy: what file ? |
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| 13:05.11 | liable | nightio |
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| 13:05.29 | izzy | abrotman: I don't understand the question... I run ./configure for Synergy, and it goes through a whole lot of things that I have, then stops on "checking for XTestQueryExtension in -lXtst... no" and says "error: You must have the XTest library to build synergy" |
| 13:05.40 | abrotman | !find xtst |
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| 13:05.42 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xtst' (3): libxtst-dev ;; libxtst6 ;; libxtst6-dbg. |
| 13:05.49 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.53 | abrotman | is what you want |
| 13:05.55 | izzy | great! |
| 13:05.56 | peterS | izzy: what does 'apt-cache search xtest library' tell you? |
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| 13:06.23 | peterS | I hate to say this is what we refer to as 'having a brain', but seriously, you need to learn how to use apt-cache |
| 13:06.37 | blaamann | And apt-file |
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| 13:07.01 | stupid | :) |
| 13:07.22 | MustangMatt | Odd I'm getting sub-software raid performance according to bonnie++. Well the other change was moving from 2.6.8 to 2.6.12 |
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| 13:07.45 | dboxen | hi |
| 13:07.48 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: I can hobble my way thought PHP, and I'd get the job done. But If i wanted to learn things right, should I go right for a book on PHP5, or should i stick with 4? |
| 13:07.59 | peterS | stupid: also, is this 'synergy' anything like the Debian package of that name? if so, you might save yourself a lot of bother by just installing that |
| 13:08.01 | bakfupai | Anyone else have a clue on how to make vnc load fluxbox? |
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| 13:08.08 | MustangMatt | rutski89: Unless you're getting into oo there's not much difference between them. |
| 13:08.09 | dboxen | is it possible to have apt-get output where it is installing a new file |
| 13:08.11 | ircops | damn working saturdays sucks |
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| 13:08.18 | xwolf | stupid: you might also enjoy trying apt-get build-dep synergy. provided you have any source entries in your sources.list |
| 13:08.20 | john1 | hy |
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| 13:08.28 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: doesn't pear get into OO? |
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| 13:08.36 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: and yes, I love OO :-) |
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| 13:08.46 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: My best language thus far is Java |
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| 13:08.57 | syntaxx | is it ok to run gnome on root and fluxbox on user? |
| 13:09.07 | caphuso | syntaxx: no |
| 13:09.08 | MustangMatt | rutski89: Not necessarily. A lot of the pear packages are smart enough to know if you're in php4 or php5 and run accordingly. Moving forward I would guess most people are going to target php5. If you're good with java I would stick to php5. |
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| 13:09.30 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: cool, thanks |
| 13:09.31 | syntaxx | caphuso, hmm why not? |
| 13:09.43 | caphuso | syntaxx: because it's never ok to run an X session as root |
| 13:09.44 | bakfupai | syntaxx: You shouldn't run x as root. Use su insted |
| 13:09.49 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/learnphp5/ and I have safari bookshelf for free with work too :-) |
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| 13:10.18 | rutski89 | MustangMatt: life rocks, all i need now is a nice cup of tea and a good weekend to read :D |
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| 13:10.43 | john1 | I installed Debian31r0a Sarge on a AMD Sampron 2200 Mhz, 256 RAM, 40 GB hdd, mainboard SYS 963L, but...my onboard grafic card is not installed (the image is bad and rezol only 640x480), and I can`t read from CD-rom. any solution ? |
| 13:10.46 | peterS | stupid: oh, I should have clarified, when you use 'apt-cache search xtest library' and it says libxtst6, you need to look for a -dev package with a similar name - -dev means what you need to compile something with a given library |
| 13:10.47 | syntaxx | caphuso, ok.. what if i create a new user is it ok to run fluxbox to other user and gnome to another user? i just want to test gnome though |
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| 13:10.56 | caphuso | syntaxx: sure |
| 13:11.02 | stupid | xwolf: wowee |
| 13:11.06 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
| 13:11.17 | MustangMatt | john1: You might try ubuntu (ducks from flying rocks) |
| 13:11.33 | stupid | peterS: ah. thanks |
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| 13:12.20 | abrotman | john: what video card? |
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| 13:12.22 | acj | john1: or a knoppix or zenlinux livecd and see what autodetect picks for an xserver |
| 13:12.23 | wathek | dh_make is in which package ? |
| 13:12.24 | stupid | peterS, xwolf: everything was tehre now. compiling :) |
| 13:12.24 | syntaxx | caphuso, what do i need to put in .xsession for running gnome? exec <?> |
| 13:12.31 | caphuso | syntaxx: dunno |
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| 13:12.45 | streuner | !tell wathek about search |
| 13:12.52 | john1 | I don`t know what video card because is onboard in a mainboard SYS 936L |
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| 13:13.14 | peterS | john1: 'lspci | grep VGA' will know |
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| 13:14.05 | john1 | wait i try now |
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| 13:14.40 | wathek | streuner, thanx |
| 13:14.40 | wathek | :!d |
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| 13:16.14 | streuner | !info dh_make |
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| 13:16.36 | john1 | John2:~# lspci | grep VGA |
| 13:16.36 | john1 | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661FX/M661FX/M661MX/741/M741/760/M760 PCI/AGP |
| 13:16.40 | streuner | !info dh-make |
| 13:16.42 | dpkg | dh-make: (tool that converts source archives into Debian package source), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.40 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 380 kB |
| 13:16.42 | john1 | this I obtained ! |
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| 13:17.04 | streuner | !sis |
| 13:17.04 | dpkg | sis is probably http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml, or shit, or http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml |
| 13:17.52 | john1 | also.....why my grafic card is not installed ? |
| 13:17.54 | streuner | john1: try this ^^^, you could just use VESA first |
| 13:17.58 | kevin` | ls |
| 13:18.00 | kevin` | er |
| 13:18.17 | john1 | John2:~# ^^^ |
| 13:18.17 | john1 | -bash: :s^^^: no previous substitution |
| 13:18.17 | john1 | John2:~# |
| 13:18.31 | streuner | argh |
| 13:18.50 | streuner | ^^^ == scroll up |
| 13:19.00 | streuner | ^^^ == see my previous message |
| 13:19.07 | john1 | John2:~# ^^^ == scroll up |
| 13:19.07 | john1 | -bash: :s^^^: no previous substitution |
| 13:19.07 | john1 | John2:~# |
| 13:19.11 | streuner | dpkg> sis is probably http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsis630.shtml, or shit, or http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml |
| 13:19.11 | dpkg | ...but sis is already something else... |
| 13:19.25 | abrotman | so they're actually going forward with the Vancouver Proposal ? |
| 13:19.31 | john1 | and another problem ! i have DVD-rom and..in kde interface I can`t read from it :(( ! |
| 13:19.38 | Revenger | congrats. |
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| 13:19.43 | john1 | how can I mount it ? |
| 13:19.50 | Revenger | you just won the darwin award 2005. |
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| 13:20.23 | kevin` | Revenger that requires death |
| 13:20.31 | caphuso | kevin`: no, it doesn't |
| 13:21.04 | caphuso | there was this one guy who chopped off his testicles by accident, and got a darwin award too |
| 13:21.12 | kevin` | heh true |
| 13:21.32 | caphuso | 'course, death is more pleasant... |
| 13:22.50 | abrotman | can fieldy come back now? |
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| 13:23.21 | peterS | abrotman: eh? fieldy won a darwin award without dying? |
| 13:23.29 | abrotman | no |
| 13:23.31 | MustangMatt | My alarm goes off in 45 minutes. I'm going to hit the sack. Thanks again guys for all the help. Catch you later. |
| 13:23.32 | abrotman | not that i'm aware |
| 13:24.00 | mazze | I cannot install libsdl1.2-dev on sarge -- depencies want libglib2.0-0 (= 2.6.4-1) but 2.8.0-1 is installed. What to do? |
| 13:24.10 | abrotman | MustangMatt: enjoy! |
| 13:24.10 | rutski89 | how fash can a HD write data? and read? |
| 13:24.15 | rutski89 | **fast |
| 13:24.18 | mjk64 | peterS: You don't need to die to win the Darwin Award, IIRC, removing yourself from the gene pool is sufficient. |
| 13:24.22 | peterS | MustangMatt: 9:00 on a Saturday? nobody should be awake at that point |
| 13:24.23 | abrotman | rutski89: depends on some things |
| 13:24.27 | peterS | mjk64: I know that |
| 13:24.33 | rutski89 | abrotman: i figured :-p but on what? |
| 13:24.46 | mjk64 | peterS: ah, okay, wasn't following discussion and prolly missed a few things. :-} |
| 13:24.52 | abrotman | rutski89: the drive/the interface |
| 13:25.04 | abrotman | rutski89: most manufacturers will have that data |
| 13:25.08 | rutski89 | abrotman: is there anywhere to find out about this? |
| 13:25.10 | rutski89 | abrotman: ahh, i see |
| 13:25.32 | abrotman | rutski89: what drive is it ? |
| 13:25.37 | peterS | rutski89: figure 40 MB per second for new drives. sometimes faster. |
| 13:25.42 | rutski89 | abrotman: nothing specific, i'm just asking general |
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| 13:25.53 | abrotman | rutski89: then check westerndigital.com |
| 13:25.55 | mazze | I cannot install libsdl1.2-dev on sarge -- dependencies want libglib2.0-0 (= 2.6.4-1) but 2.8.0-1 is installed. What to do? |
| 13:26.00 | peterS | rutski89: a few years old -> between 20 and 30 MB / sec |
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| 13:26.21 | mjk64 | rutski89: if the drive is installed already somewhere running linux, try "hdparm -Tt /dev/blah" |
| 13:26.28 | abrotman | http://westerndigital.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=135&Language=en |
| 13:26.31 | peterS | rutski89: 15000 RPM SCSI disks, which you pay a lot for, are of course significantly faster |
| 13:26.32 | abrotman | peterS: ^^ |
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| 13:26.39 | rutski89 | peterS: so if you have an internet connection that gets 50MB/s, where does the bottle neck occur? |
| 13:26.41 | abrotman | Transfer Rates |
| 13:26.41 | abrotman | Buffer To Host (Serial ATA)300 MB/s (Max) |
| 13:26.41 | abrotman | Buffer To Disk748 Mbits/s (Max) |
| 13:26.43 | streuner | mazze: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 13:26.50 | rutski89 | peterS: is there a buffer on the drive or something? |
| 13:27.18 | mazze | streuner 2.3.5-6 and "ftp://ftp.de.debian.org sarge/main" |
| 13:27.20 | peterS | rutski89: there are buffers in the OS and buffers on the drive. your speed also depends on *where* on the drive your data is, as well as how scattered ("fragmented") |
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| 13:28.04 | streuner | mazze: so you running unstable or testing and have sarge/stable sources? |
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| 13:28.10 | peterS | rutski89: if you have an Internet connection that gets 50 MB/s, you're not gonna be hosting that on a machine with a crappy IDE drive. you'll have SCSI or hardware RAID. no sense paying that kind of money for your Internet just to hook up an iMac to it |
| 13:28.26 | abrotman | MacMini! |
| 13:28.33 | rutski89 | peteS: heh, I'm not asking this about hosting, it's just a general question |
| 13:28.33 | mjk64 | rutski89: My Fujitsu MAJ3182MP 18 GB 10,000-RPM U2W-SCSI does 40 MB/s (according to hdparm -t) |
| 13:28.37 | mazze | streuner okay, you got me. I'm now seeing the mistake: libglib2.0-0 is too new, must be from unstable. |
| 13:29.10 | rutski89 | peteS: i'm fine with my server rental now, the connection speed is awesome, bandwidth virtually unlimited (for my purposes) and the costs will be covered by work i do at the church and for my uncle |
| 13:29.16 | mjk64 | rutski89: My drive is from about 2000 or 2001 or so |
| 13:29.23 | rutski89 | peteS: i'm just asking these things becuase i want to learn about them :) |
| 13:29.26 | mazze | streuner this is because I needed "gimp-ufraw" |
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| 13:30.46 | peterS | rutski89: anyway, who knows where your bottlenecks are. if you're serving dynamic content, your bottleneck could well be, e.g., the PHP interpreter |
| 13:30.59 | rutski89 | peteS: hehe, it's a hypothetical question |
| 13:31.10 | rutski89 | peteS: if you were to DL lets say, a 3 gig file |
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| 13:31.21 | peterS | or for that matter the mysql server (php people seem to also like mysql) |
| 13:31.22 | abrotman | hehe .. petes |
| 13:31.32 | rutski89 | peterS: where would the backed up data be if you DLed faster than you wrote do disk |
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| 13:31.52 | abrotman | rutski89: buffers/ram |
| 13:32.02 | peterS | rutski89: it'd sit in memory until you start to run low on memory, then you start using less incoming bandwidth for awhile until it catches up] |
| 13:32.06 | rutski89 | abrotman: heh, that'd be way to huge to buffer into ram |
| 13:32.07 | abrotman | rutski89: do you know how tcp windows work ? |
| 13:32.19 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea, basically |
| 13:32.24 | rutski89 | abrotman: not too well though |
| 13:32.24 | peterS | then you know the answer already |
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| 13:32.41 | abrotman | rutski89: your system won't ask for data faster than it knows what to do with it .. that would be .. gentoo-like :) |
| 13:32.47 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea, i that case, i don't know TCP well enough to arvie at the answer myself :-p |
| 13:32.47 | abrotman | just a waste |
| 13:33.01 | rutski89 | **arrive |
| 13:33.07 | rutski89 | abrotman: lol |
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| 13:33.11 | rutski89 | abrotman: heh, i used to use gentoo |
| 13:33.20 | rutski89 | abrotman: been using debian for the past few months though |
| 13:33.33 | rutski89 | abrotman: might try SuSE 10 now that it's out, i'v heard only good things |
| 13:33.41 | peterS | once you account for the various buffers (mainly your system memory, used by the OS), the TCP stack will ensure that you're getting data no faster than you can push it to disk |
| 13:33.47 | abrotman | rutski89: the machine will buffer a certain amount ... but it will not just gobble up as fast as it can unless it can actually process it |
| 13:34.30 | abrotman | rutski89: make sense? |
| 13:34.31 | rutski89 | abrotman: i see, OHH, a programmer friend of mine just explain this too me a few days ago, i guess it didn't sink in yet |
| 13:34.33 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea |
| 13:34.54 | rutski89 | abrotman: he said that TCP increaes the transfer rate untill packets start getting dropped/lost |
| 13:34.57 | abrotman | rutski89: do you want me to find a diagram? :) |
| 13:35.03 | rutski89 | abrotman: then it knows to slow down |
| 13:35.04 | abrotman | rutski89: uhm .. not quite |
| 13:35.08 | rutski89 | abrotman: and it tries to get faster again |
| 13:35.20 | abrotman | rutski89: tht's not how TCP works afaik |
| 13:35.28 | rutski89 | abrotman: how does it work then? |
| 13:35.28 | peterS | abrotman: the eggs (and bacon) were not too bad but after all these years I still can't fry them to a proper consistency for maximum enjoyment |
| 13:35.44 | rutski89 | abrotman: well, in the "sending more than can be processed" sense |
| 13:36.03 | abrotman | peterS: try different pans :) |
| 13:36.13 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, I need a thicker pan or something |
| 13:36.20 | abrotman | rutski89: your machine when downloading ... will not ask for more information before it can handle it |
| 13:36.27 | abrotman | peterS: not a #1 cast iron huh ? |
| 13:36.42 | peterS | rutski89: there can only be a certain amount of data "in flight" between one end and the other. if the receiving end can't process data fast enough, it'll just stop acknowledging the incoming data. the sending end will stop sending until it gets ACKs for everything it has sent so far |
| 13:36.51 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_Control_Protocol#TCP_window_size |
| 13:37.02 | abrotman | i guess .. that's kind of vague ... |
| 13:37.15 | rutski89 | peteS: yea, just like what my programmer friend tole me |
| 13:37.17 | rutski89 | **told |
| 13:37.46 | abrotman | rutski89: it won't just drop packets .. |
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| 13:37.55 | rutski89 | abrotman: sorry, i used the wrong word |
| 13:38.03 | abrotman | rutski89: the idea is that the recipient will ask for more data when it is desired .. |
| 13:38.08 | solemnwarning | are there any database apps on apt |
| 13:38.09 | solemnwarning | ? |
| 13:38.13 | peetah | does someone have a ircd server app to recommend? Something simple to setup with oper services ?:) |
| 13:38.20 | rutski89 | abrotman: i see |
| 13:38.20 | abrotman | and there's a window size to allow a certain amount of flow .. |
| 13:38.20 | peterS | solemnwarning: yes |
| 13:38.20 | solemnwarning | like? |
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| 13:38.31 | abrotman | rutski89: so they're numbered like .. 1-32 or something |
| 13:38.33 | kevin` | peetah ircu |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | solemnwarning: tora |
| 13:38.36 | Matteo | hi all |
| 13:38.38 | peterS | solemnwarning: be more specific |
| 13:38.39 | bbrazil | peetah: I use hybrid and hybserv |
| 13:38.48 | solemnwarning | ms access kind of things |
| 13:38.52 | peetah | bbrazil: got a url? :) |
| 13:38.52 | Matteo | sorry one more question |
| 13:38.54 | abrotman | rutski89: so if say the window is .. 10 .. and you requerst 15 but get 17 .. it will ask for 15 again ... |
| 13:38.56 | Matteo | may i? |
| 13:39.03 | bbrazil | peetah: they're both in debian |
| 13:39.09 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea, i know |
| 13:39.19 | abrotman | rutski89: that's a horrible explanation btw :) |
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| 13:39.28 | rutski89 | abrotman: heh, but it gets the basic point accross |
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| 13:39.36 | peetah | bbrazil: well i need documentation on how to set it up. |
| 13:39.37 | Matteo | i downloaded the 1° cd of debian to install it |
| 13:39.40 | Billionaire | Hi all.. |
| 13:39.41 | peterS | abrotman: just tell him to go read Stevens TCP/IP Illustrated |
| 13:39.44 | rutski89 | thanks for all the help guys, debian people are nice :-) |
| 13:39.45 | abrotman | rutski89: but TCP is designed to not drop packets .. it's designed to only ask for them when there is capability to handle them |
| 13:39.48 | bbrazil | peetah: install it and read the README |
| 13:39.53 | abrotman | peterS: all 300pgs? :) |
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| 13:39.59 | peterS | yes. |
| 13:39.59 | en1gma | morning all |
| 13:40.02 | peetah | bbrazil: okay:) |
| 13:40.05 | Matteo | but when i start my pc the installer does not start.. |
| 13:40.09 | rutski89 | abrotman: yea, again, i regret every saying the word drop, i didn't mean it |
| 13:40.14 | Matteo | i setted the bios right |
| 13:40.22 | Matteo | so... |
| 13:40.24 | abrotman | rutski89: okeedokee |
| 13:40.25 | en1gma | i have a problem with pppsetup so i had to goto windows to get on net |
| 13:40.32 | en1gma | can someone tell me how to check to see what login authentication im using when i connect to net. note im currently on winxp trying to get this info so i can put it in pppsetup |
| 13:40.34 | Matteo | nobody's ideas? |
| 13:40.51 | peterS | rutski89: TCP certainly can drop packets. what it won't drop is the order of received data. if it has to drop packets, they'll eventually be re-sent and then reassembled in the original order |
| 13:40.52 | Matteo | maybe a bad masterization? |
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| 13:41.11 | rutski89 | peteS: yea, which is why it rocks :-) |
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| 13:41.21 | PoPnow | how can I see what debian version a box is running? |
| 13:41.24 | rutski89 | peteS: if you use UDP, then you have to worry about all that, but not with TCP :) |
| 13:41.35 | solemnwarning | are there any apps like ms acces on apt? |
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| 13:41.48 | peterS | rutski89: someone has to worry about it with TCP. just not you, because you aren't a (kernel) programmer |
| 13:41.51 | abrotman | peterS: i thought it had to send in orrder |
| 13:41.57 | peterS | abrotman: not strictly, no |
| 13:42.10 | rutski89 | peterS: heh, yea |
| 13:42.11 | Loevborg | I want to help a dialup user debug some problems on his installation, so I'd like to get an ssh connection to his box. |
| 13:42.18 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. but it will request the missing packet .. then the host will send all in sequence again |
| 13:42.20 | rutski89 | peterS: poor kernel programmers :-p |
| 13:42.21 | Billionaire | I've a problem when my debian unstable starts..It stop for 30/40 seconds on this line: "ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15" |
| 13:42.24 | peterS | abrotman: the window can't advance until the start of the window has been ACKed, though, so the amount of out-of-order is bounded |
| 13:42.34 | Loevborg | Is there some easy way to do this even though he's behind a router? |
| 13:42.51 | peterS | Loevborg: "behind a router" is a useless description. we are all behind routers |
| 13:43.04 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. but i'm not sure TCP is smart enough to say .. hey .. i got 11 but not 10 .. just resend 10 ... i think it just says .. i got 9 .. then 11 .. resend 10 .. and it starts at 10 and resends 11 |
| 13:43.11 | peterS | Loevborg: unless you're on the same LAN as this guy, "behind a router" is implied |
| 13:43.21 | Loevborg | peterS, I don't want to make him change port forwarding (he's using NAT) |
| 13:43.40 | Loevborg | peterS, no, we're a few hundred km apart |
| 13:43.51 | abrotman | peterS: right? :) |
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| 13:43.53 | peterS | Loevborg: then call it NAT, not "routing". routing is the whole Internet. but if you need to ssh through NAT, you'll need to forward a port. |
| 13:44.06 | Matteo | nobody? |
| 13:44.13 | Loevborg | peterS, I bow before your wisdom. |
| 13:44.30 | peterS | abrotman: well, yeah, as soon as you do receive 10 you can ACK 11. you might be fast enough to prevent the server from resending 11 |
| 13:44.46 | abrotman | peterS: i don't think it does that at all ... |
| 13:44.48 | mjk64 | Matteo: Does the CD look okay when you mount it somewhere? (Even under Windows) |
| 13:44.53 | peterS | abrotman: particularly if it believes it can assume low packet loss, so it doesn't immediately assume that if you're missing 10 you're also missing 11 |
| 13:44.54 | abrotman | peterS: i think ti's very sequential .. |
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| 13:45.09 | abrotman | peterS: i guess in the dumbest sense .. it woudl send 10 and 11 ... |
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| 13:45.45 | abrotman | peterS: i'd have to go back and reread a bunch of stuff :) |
| 13:45.47 | peterS | abrotman: it might. but if it doesn't believe you're dropping very many packets, it might say "hmmm I never got an ACK for 10 so I'll resend that, but I bet he's already got 11 12 and 13 which I sent" |
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| 13:45.55 | Matteo | mjk64: yes it seems ok i've burned with nero (i'm using win at the moment..) |
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| 13:46.19 | abrotman | peterS: i thought it just resent them all .. starting with the missing one |
| 13:46.21 | mjk64 | Matteo: and the last boot message you see is what? |
| 13:46.37 | peterS | abrotman: that's an implementation detail. it might have better things to do with its bandwidth, like service other clients |
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| 13:46.50 | PoPnow | when doing cat /etc/debian_version it gives me testing/unstable, is that woody or sarge or maybe anything else? |
| 13:46.53 | abrotman | peterS: i am the client! |
| 13:46.56 | Matteo | masterization completed successfully |
| 13:47.01 | abrotman | PoPnow: etch or sid |
| 13:47.19 | Matteo | u think it's this? |
| 13:47.21 | mjk64 | Matteo: Err ... that's a boot message?! "masterization completed successfully"? |
| 13:47.22 | streuner | PoPnow: try this: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 13:47.29 | dorto | how to configure debian 3.1 to automatically standby the monitor after say 1 minute? |
| 13:47.38 | mjk64 | Matteo: Your message sounds more like a CD burning message |
| 13:47.53 | Matteo | ah sorry understood mast message |
| 13:47.57 | mjk64 | Matteo: =) |
| 13:48.00 | peterS | mjk64: that's because he's trying to boot a CD he burned, and the bios won't boot it, so he's trying to figure out why not |
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| 13:48.15 | mjk64 | peterS: Yeah, got that, was a misunderstanding |
| 13:48.19 | Matteo | no boot message only insert e properly boot disk |
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| 13:48.36 | Eddie` | can someone tell me the command to boot the installer into the 2.6 kernel at first boot screen? |
| 13:48.43 | mjk64 | Matteo: You mean the screen is blank? |
| 13:48.44 | peterS | Matteo: make sure you're burning the .iso file *as an image* rather than sticking it on a CD filesystem as a regular file |
| 13:48.48 | micro^usta | hey, good morning again |
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| 13:48.55 | streuner | Eddie`: try 'linux26' |
| 13:49.00 | Eddie` | cheers |
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| 13:49.08 | peterS | Eddie`: well, and hit F1 for help with the boot options |
| 13:49.18 | Matteo | no but it doesn't recognize the cd as bootable |
| 13:49.22 | peterS | Eddie`: the linux26 option is described on the F3 page, if I remember correctly |
| 13:49.27 | mjk64 | peterS: Btw. burning ISO files to an ISO9660 filesystem is not uncommon, as I have witnessed recently again. |
| 13:49.28 | stjepan | hello |
| 13:49.42 | peterS | mjk64: I've seen it more than once, hanging out on this channel |
| 13:49.43 | PoPnow | streuner: it say.. ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data, 500 http://ftp.se.debian.org testing/main Packages, 500 ftp://ftp.sunet.se testing/main Packages |
| 13:49.46 | mjk64 | Matteo: Ah, okay ... hm ... |
| 13:49.50 | Eddie` | worked thanks :) |
| 13:49.50 | stjepan | are there any free Debian CDs/DVDs? |
| 13:50.00 | dawg | dorto, look at the dpms options with xset |
| 13:50.02 | mjk64 | Matteo: Stupid question: Can you boot from other CDs currently? |
| 13:50.04 | streuner | PoPnow: well |
| 13:50.04 | peterS | stjepan: you can download free ones at http://cdimage.debian.org/ |
| 13:50.21 | mjk64 | Matteo: Like Windows-CD or something ... |
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| 13:50.41 | Matteo | other's wich? others linux? |
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| 13:50.52 | Matteo | ah win .. |
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| 13:50.55 | mjk64 | Matteo: Other Linux CDs, Windows CD, whatever ... |
| 13:51.00 | Matteo | i tgink yes |
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| 13:51.11 | stjepan | peterS: I mean, no downloading, free CD/DVD |
| 13:51.11 | streuner | PoPnow: etch = testing |
| 13:51.12 | mjk64 | Matteo: Don't think, *try*! :-) |
| 13:51.24 | Matteo | ok try see u |
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| 13:51.35 | mjk64 | mjk64: Could be that something's faulty or maybe the CDROM boot option has been switched off |
| 13:51.46 | mjk64 | err yeah. |
| 13:51.58 | peterS | stjepan: you think someone will pay to send you one? I think that only happens with Canonical, who have lots of money they don't know what to do with, so they send Ubuntu CDs out for free |
| 13:51.59 | john1 | problem, I can`t read from the DVD-rom why ?! |
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| 13:52.19 | Lutin_Triste | ohhhh |
| 13:53.11 | micro^usta | stjepan, on public trade fairs you may get cd's also for free, but often you will have to pay the cd-price |
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| 13:53.50 | peterS | micro^usta: at Debian booths at trade shows they make money selling CDs. not a lot of money but enough to be worth keeping track of so it can be donated to debian |
| 13:54.21 | micro^usta | i got my debian Bo for free that time |
| 13:54.22 | micro^usta | hihi |
| 13:54.27 | john1 | hey ! me help someone ?! |
| 13:54.43 | john1 | i posted my problem from 4 times :( |
| 13:54.50 | peterS | micro^usta: maybe because they realised that the bo CDs are about 9 years out of date, so they couldn't charge very much for them anyway |
| 13:54.56 | micro^usta | lol |
| 13:55.04 | nkuttler | john1: well, did you mount the dvd? |
| 13:55.04 | micro^usta | its been already bout 8 years ago |
| 13:55.19 | micro^usta | no, also the woody prerelease was for free |
| 13:55.22 | mjk64 | john1: Hmm ... cannot find a specific description of your DVD-ROM issue in my lastlog ... details, please! |
| 13:55.53 | micro^usta | freaks have a stack of 100 pairs for free, if they are gone u lost |
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| 13:56.06 | dorto | thx dawg!! |
| 13:56.10 | mjk64 | john1: ah, KDE interface ... uh-huh ... can you mount the DVD on the command line? |
| 13:56.16 | dorto | a nice joke happened though |
| 13:56.33 | dorto | i thought the value given to xset dpms is in mins |
| 13:56.39 | mjk64 | john: Like "mount /dev/<your_dvd_rom_device> <mountpoint>" |
| 13:56.42 | dorto | so gave xset dpms 1 !!! |
| 13:57.06 | peterS | dorto: ha |
| 13:57.18 | dorto | blindly typed xset dpms 1000 to get the monitor back :) |
| 13:57.29 | mjk64 | john1: <mountpoint> must (or should) be an empty directory, like /mnt - otherwise, create it using "mkdir /tmp/dvdmount" or something |
| 13:57.41 | dorto | what else could have been done in such situations? |
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| 13:58.01 | john1 | i try now mjk |
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| 13:58.13 | peterS | dorto: a related problem people run into sometimes ... "my system clock is wrong." after you tell them how to set the clock, "my screen went blank just after I set the clock!" of course, if you set the clock forward 3 hours, the screen saver immediately thinks you've been idle for 3 hours.... |
| 13:58.14 | mjk64 | john1: And your DVD device file gets printed on boot, so try "dmesg | grep -i dvd" to find out. |
| 13:58.17 | mjk64 | john1: ok |
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| 13:58.46 | dorto | peterS: lol |
| 13:58.56 | dorto | nice things happen with computers |
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| 13:59.26 | mjk64 | peterS: *DOH!* I never thought about that problem I once had ... that's of course the correct answer. Man ... |
| 13:59.41 | mjk64 | peterS: Now xntp handles everything nicely :-) |
| 13:59.50 | mjk64 | xntpd, even |
| 13:59.56 | peterS | mjk64: a friend of mine had that problem just last week. she's like "I wonder if I'm having hardware problems" - I'm like "nope, perfectly normal" and explained why it did that (: |
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| 14:00.08 | mjk64 | peterS: :-) |
| 14:00.23 | stupid | How can I make something run as absolutely the last thing after X has started? |
| 14:00.49 | mjk64 | stupid: in the startup file of your window manager? |
| 14:01.20 | PoPnow | when I want to install mysql-5.0 I get an error message when installing libmysqlclient15.. can I paste the error message in #flood so you can see what it say? |
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| 14:01.50 | john1 | mjk look: |
| 14:01.52 | john1 | John2:~# dmesg | grep -i dvd |
| 14:01.52 | john1 | hdc: LITEON DVD-ROM LTD163, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 14:01.52 | john1 | hdc: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache, UDMA(33) |
| 14:01.52 | john1 | John2:~# |
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| 14:02.13 | mjk64 | john1: Ooops, that was too much flooding. :-) |
| 14:02.17 | john1 | :)) |
| 14:02.18 | john1 | also |
| 14:02.19 | john1 | hdc: LITEON DVD-ROM LTD163, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 14:02.20 | john1 | and |
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| 14:02.30 | john1 | hdc: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache, UDMA(33) |
| 14:02.35 | john1 | what must i do now ? |
| 14:02.39 | john1 | to mount it ? |
| 14:02.43 | Matteo | voià it starts |
| 14:02.46 | mjk64 | john1: Okay, so you should type "mount /dev/hdc /mnt" (if /mnt is an empty directory) |
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| 14:03.04 | nkuttler | PoPnow: remove the offending package |
| 14:03.04 | john1 | John2:~# mount /dev/hdc /mnt |
| 14:03.04 | john1 | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 14:03.04 | john1 | John2:~# |
| 14:03.08 | peterS | mjk64: don't forget the -t iso9660 or -t udf |
| 14:03.09 | Matteo | i'm also trying to remasterize the cd |
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| 14:03.15 | mjk64 | Matteo: Aha! Okay, so that's "bad news" ... Hmm ... |
| 14:03.20 | mjk64 | peterS: No autodetection? |
| 14:03.21 | micro^usta | john1, is a written dvd inside? |
| 14:03.28 | john1 | no |
| 14:03.28 | micro^usta | or is it a rawmedia? *G* |
| 14:03.35 | Matteo | u right |
| 14:03.38 | micro^usta | you should put a dvd inside the rom to mount it |
| 14:03.39 | peterS | mjk64: yes, if those filesystems are already in kernel memory. but normally they are modules, and the modules are not necessarily going to be already loaded |
| 14:03.42 | john1 | ok |
| 14:03.51 | valdyn | john1: why do you even want to mount it? |
| 14:03.52 | micro^usta | hrhr |
| 14:03.57 | mjk64 | Matteo: When you look onto the CD using Windows Explorer, do you see a lot of files or just an ISO file? |
| 14:03.57 | micro^usta | this truly hurts |
| 14:04.17 | john1 | because I want copy some programs there. |
| 14:04.22 | mjk64 | peterS: Oh ... oh! Oh ... hmmm. No module autoloading here? |
| 14:04.23 | peterS | mjk64: so yeah, if you 'modprobe udf; modprobe iso9660' first, then you can skip the -t flag |
| 14:04.27 | Matteo | lot of files, i don't burned the iso :) |
| 14:04.37 | valdyn | john1: you want to copy files *to* the disk? |
| 14:04.47 | valdyn | john1: why would you mount it for that? |
| 14:04.47 | john1 | John2:~# mount /dev/hdc /mnt |
| 14:04.47 | john1 | mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 14:04.52 | peterS | mjk64: here's what happens. if you say -t udf, the kernel will see if there is a udf filesystem it knows about. if not, it tries to load a module named "udf". if that fails, the mount call will fail |
| 14:05.05 | john1 | mounting is done ? |
| 14:05.08 | peterS | mjk64: however, if you don't specify the filesystem type, it just consults its list of filesystems that are already loaded |
| 14:05.11 | mjk64 | john1: ahaaa! Now this looks good! |
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| 14:05.18 | micro^usta | its getting better and better |
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| 14:05.27 | john1 | mjk also my DVD rom is mounted now ? |
| 14:05.29 | micro^usta | hold my chair please, im falling |
| 14:05.38 | peterS | mjk64: so yes, it autoloads modules but only if it knows what they are called. if you don't tell it the filesystem type, it doesn't know what to try to load. (: |
| 14:05.39 | mjk64 | peterS: And what about /etc/filesystems? |
| 14:05.47 | mjk64 | john1: Yep, it's mounted now! |
| 14:05.56 | john1 | good ! also new problem: |
| 14:06.10 | peterS | mjk64: you mean /proc/filesystems? /proc/filesystems is the representation of the list of filesystems known to the kernel. meaning the ones built in and the ones whose modules are already loaded |
| 14:06.12 | mjk64 | Matteo: Okay =) |
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| 14:06.38 | Matteo | mj i hope is a bad burned |
| 14:07.01 | mjk64 | Matteo: Maybe it cannot read the CD ROM boot sector correctly ... you could try another medium (different brand, if possible) |
| 14:07.04 | xophEr | what was the export cmd if I want to use gcc 3.4.5 instead of 4.0.2 ? |
| 14:07.05 | kamaraju | how to find out what dpi setting I am currently using? |
| 14:07.12 | peterS | mjk64: now if you say "mount /something" and /something is listed in /etc/fstab, then 'mount' will look at the filesystem type field in fstab and pass that along to the kernel. then the kernel can autoload the module if need be, just as if you had specified -t. |
| 14:07.17 | valdyn | kamaraju: xdpyinfo |
| 14:07.27 | kamaraju | valdyn: thanks I will look into it |
| 14:07.28 | Matteo | mj here's where i downloaded the iso http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/ia64/jigdo-cd/ |
| 14:07.40 | micro^usta | xophEr, CC has to point to your compiler |
| 14:07.41 | Matteo | is the binary-1 the mine |
| 14:07.41 | peterS | Matteo: you have an Itanium machine? |
| 14:07.44 | mjk64 | peterS: Hmm .. I have an /etc/filesystems here (okay, it's SuSE, I have to admit :-} |
| 14:07.47 | john1 | I have as server win2000 proffesional comp ! lunux comp is client ! what must I do to my win2000 proffesional comp so that from linux comp can I wget from win comp ? |
| 14:07.48 | peterS | Matteo: those are pretty uncommon - are you sure? |
| 14:08.08 | mjk64 | peterS: Damn, no man page about /etc/filesystems |
| 14:08.11 | Matteo | uncommon? |
| 14:08.11 | peterS | mjk64: AIX has /etc/filesystems too. I very much doubt it's the same as SuSE /etc/filesystems. what does SuSE have in there? |
| 14:08.14 | xophEr | micro^usta, so I should do like this: export CC=3.4.5 ? |
| 14:08.17 | micro^usta | for wget install ftp/http - server on win2k |
| 14:08.18 | peterS | Matteo: what kind of machine do you have? |
| 14:08.22 | Matteo | i have amd 64 |
| 14:08.27 | valdyn | john1: just use putty on the windows box |
| 14:08.31 | micro^usta | xophEr, is 3.4.5 an executable on your system xophEr ? |
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| 14:08.37 | krad | how to untar a .tar file? |
| 14:08.40 | Matteo | so i downloaded ia64 |
| 14:08.41 | xophEr | micro^usta, gotcha |
| 14:08.42 | xophEr | :) |
| 14:08.42 | peterS | Matteo: amd64 is *not* ia64. see http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64 |
| 14:08.45 | Matteo | isn't right? |
| 14:08.47 | mjk64 | Matteo: If the jigdo-lite blah said it's okay, then it's okay, because it uses checksumming for verifying a correct download. |
| 14:08.54 | nkuttler | !tell krad about tar |
| 14:09.07 | micro^usta | hell, now im starting plenking too. |
| 14:09.12 | mjk64 | Doh! |
| 14:09.34 | mjk64 | Matteo: peterS is right ... I don't know much about 64 bit stuff, so I forgot that little detail :-} |
| 14:09.54 | Matteo | AH! |
| 14:10.06 | peterS | Matteo: Debian supports several 64-bit architectures - ia64 was released by Intel back in 2000 or so and has nothing to do with amd64 which wasn't released until 2003 or 2004 |
| 14:10.07 | valdyn | john1: to wget stuff off your windows box you would have to install a webserver on your windows box, this isnt a windows support channel though |
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| 14:11.00 | john1 | ok i have web server ! but in which directory must be the files which I must wget ?! because i have 3 partition on win comp ! and the files to wget are in G: partition ! |
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| 14:11.06 | peterS | other 64-bit architectures Debian supports include alpha, sparc64 and ppc64 (64-bit powerpc) |
| 14:11.07 | Matteo | doh!! |
| 14:11.24 | valdyn | john1: this is not windows support channel |
| 14:11.28 | Matteo | u think it's better to install amd 64 version? or better ia32? |
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| 14:11.42 | micro^usta | john1, as long as your files are accessible from outside you can wget them by: wget your-win2k-box/Path/to/files/file.endig |
| 14:12.03 | peterS | Matteo: amd64 is better, but with the sarge release it is "unofficial" so it does not show up on all the lists of architectures |
| 14:12.16 | peterS | it shows up on some lists, just not all of them |
| 14:12.30 | PoPnow | is there a problem when installing mysql-server-5.0 it say it want to install "libmysqlclient14 libmysqlclient15" but when installing libmysqlclient15 it say it can't install as 14 is installed... |
| 14:12.37 | valdyn | Matteo: sounds like ia32 is best for you |
| 14:12.41 | Matteo | so it's only problem of where to find it |
| 14:12.52 | peterS | Matteo: right, which is why I told you about http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64 |
| 14:12.56 | Matteo | but inside it's better |
| 14:12.58 | Matteo | ? |
| 14:13.01 | peterS | so you could find it more easily |
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| 14:13.12 | peterS | yes, it will run a bit faster |
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| 14:13.20 | peterS | and it should be just as good in most other respects |
| 14:13.46 | Matteo | ok i'll read all, |
| 14:13.49 | john1 | micro please tell me ant example because i didn`t understand very good, also I have win2000 prof, file to wget is "win.exe" and it is on G partition. Please tell me for this example the wget path |
| 14:13.55 | Matteo | sorry 4 my eglish |
| 14:13.58 | GlenneMannen | why do I get this error when trying to connect to my debian mysqlserver from a remote server: Warning: mysql_connect(): Lost connection to MySQL server during query in /home/gunivo/public_html/gunivo.com/test/inc/login.inc.php on line 18 |
| 14:14.13 | Matteo | i'm italian and my english it's a bit... umm |
| 14:14.15 | Matteo | old.. |
| 14:14.20 | micro^usta | !it |
| 14:14.20 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 14:14.25 | mjk64 | Matteo: Your English ist just a bit ... Italian. ;-) |
| 14:14.38 | Matteo | ahah thx guy |
| 14:14.38 | micro^usta | this really works *happy* |
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| 14:14.48 | RichiH | micro^usta: heh |
| 14:14.57 | Matteo | thx dpkg thx |
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| 14:15.03 | mjk64 | Matteo: No, your English is okay, really. :-) |
| 14:15.06 | Matteo | see ya |
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| 14:15.10 | mjk64 | Matteo: dpkg is a bot, btw. |
| 14:15.13 | Lutin_Triste | hello |
| 14:15.15 | mjk64 | Matteo: cya! |
| 14:15.22 | poseidon | ciao |
| 14:15.22 | poseidon | :) |
| 14:15.22 | PoPnow | so anyone installed mysql-server-5.0 package? |
| 14:15.31 | Matteo | see ya |
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| 14:16.13 | PoPnow | i get a problem saying it can't install libmysqlclient15 as the libmysqlclient14 is installed, but it installs the libmysqlclient14 in same package installation.. |
| 14:16.29 | valdyn | PoPnow: ..and you are using sid? |
| 14:16.51 | valdyn | !info mysql-server-5.0 |
| 14:16.57 | dpkg | mysql-server-5.0: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.13rc-1 (sid), Packaged size: 16583 kB, Installed size: 37080 kB |
| 14:17.16 | PoPnow | testing/unstable |
| 14:17.29 | valdyn | PoPnow: a mix? even worse |
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| 14:18.14 | PoPnow | valdyn, dunno if it's a mix, how can I change so it's not a mix? |
| 14:18.25 | sylvisj | Would Xenguy happen to be here? |
| 14:18.30 | valdyn | !sid |
| 14:18.30 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 14:18.44 | valdyn | PoPnow: ^^^ |
| 14:18.48 | solemnwarning | are there any database apps simmeler to ms access for linux? |
| 14:19.05 | clavner | does anyone have a list of packages that are most affected by gcc optimization |
| 14:19.20 | micro^usta | PoPnow, cat /etc/issue && cat /etc/preferences <-- issue maindist - preferences pinning entrys |
| 14:19.35 | micro^usta | argh, /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 14:20.11 | PoPnow | is there any way to go to stable? |
| 14:20.22 | micro^usta | yes, but hard and long |
| 14:20.29 | valdyn | PoPnow: reinstall |
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| 14:20.40 | GlenneMannen | how should I bind mysql to be able to connect from remote |
| 14:20.48 | dorto | how should i start configuring my printer with debian? |
| 14:20.55 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 14:20.55 | dpkg | cups setup is probably Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 14:20.57 | dorto | should i connect it now and power on? |
| 14:21.11 | PoPnow | ggod, I have so much configured stuff, would take me ages to reconfigure :( |
| 14:21.13 | micro^usta | bind it to your external ip GlenneMannen, not only 127.... |
| 14:21.16 | dorto | or connect it then boot into debian? |
| 14:21.21 | valdyn | dorto: and install gs-gsp |
| 14:21.23 | valdyn | dorto: and install gs-esp |
| 14:21.59 | dorto | after installing all those packages i can just boot into debian and connect my printer? |
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| 14:22.15 | dorto | let me first install the packages |
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| 14:22.34 | shinu | how do i clean my object files (im trying to compile something and it just give me an error) |
| 14:22.34 | micro^usta | dorto, you should boot into debian, then install these packages, configure your drivers in cups, then print |
| 14:22.35 | valdyn | dorto: if its not a usb printer its probably safer to connect it when both are powered down |
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| 14:22.49 | dorto | its a usb printer |
| 14:22.59 | sylvisj | Can anyone help me set up apt get with my cable modem? |
| 14:22.59 | valdyn | dorto: then do whatever you want |
| 14:23.01 | dorto | i connect my printer to the computer through usb interface |
| 14:23.04 | dorto | ok |
| 14:23.25 | valdyn | sylvisj: why should apt care about your network hardware? |
| 14:23.41 | GlenneMannen | is there an configscript for mysql or do I edit them by hand? using debian |
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| 14:23.42 | Beik | sylvisj: make an 'apt-get update' |
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| 14:24.19 | sylvisj | Valdyn, apt-get isn't reading network connectivity, and is trying to use my CD-drive, which I'm out of CD-R's for. |
| 14:24.26 | Beik | sylvisj: after this you can install packages with: apt-get $pkg |
| 14:24.30 | nkuttler | GlenneMannen: hm, dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-foo? |
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| 14:24.41 | valdyn | sylvisj: run apt-setup |
| 14:24.45 | Beik | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.46 | ircops | hey what's a good alsa-compatible audio editor? audacity's not werkin out for me |
| 14:24.48 | sylvisj | Thx valdy, beik. |
| 14:24.49 | micro^usta | sylvisj, check your /etc/apt/sources.list comment media cdrom out |
| 14:25.08 | Beik | sylvisj: sorry, should really read: apt-get install $pkg |
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| 14:25.21 | micro^usta | brb |
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| 14:25.35 | PoPnow | anyway to get apt-get to skip install libmysqlclient14, as it want to install these pachages when installing mysql-5.0 "libdbd-mysql-perl libmysqlclient14 libmysqlclient15 mysql-client-5.0 mysql-server-5.0" |
| 14:25.44 | sylvisj | I have. All it has under sources is like # debian:///blahblah sarge |
| 14:25.45 | sylvisj | (in the sources list) |
| 14:26.05 | kamaraju | while using vncserver (from the vncserver package), Is there anyway to set the dpi settings? I checked man page but it does not show option for that. |
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| 14:26.26 | micro^usta | guess you only have cdrom as sources active, keep to valdyn hint and run apt-setup |
| 14:26.27 | nkuttler | PoPnow: you can use dpkg to force an overwrite of the file, not sure if that's smart though |
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| 14:27.23 | PoPnow | nkuttler: how do I use dpkg to force? |
| 14:27.23 | acj | i'm having a blental mank, what is the command to find out which package a file on the local hd came from? have just rtfmed dpkg dpkg-deb and apt-cache. |
| 14:27.31 | nkuttler | PoPnow: you rtfm |
| 14:27.38 | valdyn | acj: dpkg -S |
| 14:27.49 | mjk64 | peterS: I got the solution! /etc/filesystems was part of the util-linux.rpm in SuSE. From the mount manpage: If no -t option is given, or if the auto type is specified, mount will try to guess the desired type. [...] Otherwise, mount guesses itself by probing the superblock; if that does not turn up anything that looks familiar, mount will try to read the file /etc/filesystems, or, if that does not exist, /proc/filesystems. All of the filesystem |
| 14:27.55 | sylvisj | Alright..i so read apt-get install $pckg? |
| 14:27.57 | mjk64 | (whoa, what a long line) |
| 14:28.01 | sylvisj | $pkg* |
| 14:28.07 | acj | valdyn:thanks, I missed it. |
| 14:28.16 | mjk64 | peterS: How was I? ;-) |
| 14:28.42 | peterS | mjk64: well, your last line cut off somewhere in the middle because of 512-char IRC line limits |
| 14:29.05 | sylvisj | I'll try it... afk... |
| 14:29.06 | mjk64 | peterS: ARGH! I thought irssi would figure that out alone ... okay, what's the last words? |
| 14:29.18 | sylvisj | Actually, how do I add a line in the sources list for internet for apt-get? |
| 14:29.23 | peterS | mjk64: .../proc/filesystems. All of the filesystem |
| 14:29.29 | micro^usta | sylvisj, apt-setup <- put net-ressources in, like ftp.xx.debian.org, then comment your cd-media out and run apt-get update. after that run apt-get install <your-desired-package> |
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| 14:29.47 | Beik | sylvisj: see man sources.list |
| 14:30.04 | mjk64 | peterS: ... types listed there will be tried, except for those that are labeled "nodev" (e.g., devpts, proc and nfs). If /etc/filesystems ends in a line with a single * only, mount will read /proc/filesystems afterwards. |
| 14:30.05 | zweideutig | I would like Debian install toboot from floppies, the install to HDD from FTP. |
| 14:30.09 | sylvisj | Alright, thx. Does apt-get tell me the list of avail packages or do I have to print a list from teh debian site? |
| 14:30.24 | zweideutig | I can't find any floppy images for booting to the Debian install. |
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| 14:30.44 | peterS | mjk64: btw I use the splitlong.pl irssi plugin by bjkro@gmx.de, which does split long lines automatically, using "..." before and after \n |
| 14:30.45 | mjk64 | peterS: How was I? I found that out all alone! Am I a Quarter-God now? :-} |
| 14:30.46 | nkuttler | zweideutig: did you read the instal guide? |
| 14:30.53 | brosio | anyone use mrtg ? |
| 14:31.00 | mjk64 | peterS: thx for the hint, will try that! |
| 14:31.01 | peterS | mjk64: I dunno, ask #suse what your status is |
| 14:31.02 | zweideutig | nkuttler: Not today. |
| 14:31.06 | mjk64 | peterS: ;-) |
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| 14:31.10 | brosio | when i run cnfmake public@router |
| 14:31.12 | M3G4 | hi to all |
| 14:31.12 | Beik | sylvisj: just make an apt-get update and the package list will be updated. |
| 14:31.18 | brosio | public@router is my ip ? |
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| 14:31.29 | zweideutig | brosio: No. |
| 14:31.29 | nkuttler | !tell zweideutig about ig |
| 14:31.35 | M3G4 | does anyone know with which priviledges an script in /etc/hotplug/usb are executed? |
| 14:31.35 | Beik | sylvisj: man apt-get |
| 14:31.37 | sylvisj | Alright. How do I view the package list from there? |
| 14:31.43 | brosio | zweideutig, and what ? |
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| 14:31.47 | micro^usta | sylvisj, apt-cache is your friend for finding packages |
| 14:31.47 | brosio | ip of my router ? |
| 14:32.00 | GlenneMannen | thanks for u'r help all... got it working |
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| 14:32.13 | sylvisj | Thx, Micro. |
| 14:32.15 | sylvisj | Brb. |
| 14:32.40 | Althaser | where can I change the prompt color ? please |
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| 14:32.55 | Beik | see the file section of the apt-get manpage |
| 14:32.56 | zweideutig | brosio: You said public@router was your IP. |
| 14:33.08 | nkuttler | Althaser: depends... you proabably want to google bash prompt howto |
| 14:33.13 | zweideutig | brosio: Your IP can be found with ifconfig though. |
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| 14:33.20 | jose___ | hi |
| 14:33.23 | jose___ | everybodi |
| 14:33.26 | Althaser | nkuttler thanks let me see :-) |
| 14:33.30 | brosio | zweideutig, so i put public@192.168.1.6 ? |
| 14:33.40 | brosio | i'm behind a router |
| 14:33.51 | mjk64 | peterS: Btw.: Is /etc/filesystems mentioned in the Debian mount manpage, too? Doesn't seem to be SuSE specific (but who knows) ... |
| 14:34.07 | peterS | mjk64: yes it is, but debian doesn't ship one, so I never noticed it in the docs |
| 14:34.14 | M3G4 | does anyone know if a script for mounting a filesystem when executed by hotplug should work? |
| 14:34.15 | mjk64 | peterS: ah, okay, thx |
| 14:34.16 | peterS | mjk64: I mean debian doesn't ship a /etc/filesystems |
| 14:34.25 | mjk64 | peterS: got that |
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| 14:35.01 | maxwell_ | hi everybody |
| 14:35.02 | peterS | mjk64: just FYI, /etc/filesystems in AIX is a fancy replacement for /etc/fstab. syntax is totally different, just like everything else in AIX |
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| 14:35.20 | zweideutig | brosio: Why don't you just SLEDGEHAMMER the computer? |
| 14:35.25 | mjk64 | peterS: OMG. I'll never try AIX, promised! |
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| 14:35.28 | peterS | heh |
| 14:35.34 | brosio | zweideutig, eh ? |
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| 14:35.36 | peterS | it's not all bad. it's just ... different. |
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| 14:35.48 | mjk64 | peterS: The only other UNIX I'm going to try is FreeBSD, I think. |
| 14:35.53 | brosio | zweideutig, please help |
| 14:36.10 | zweideutig | brosio: Put just your IP. |
| 14:36.24 | zweideutig | brosio: I am not going to explain what an internet protocol address is. |
| 14:36.25 | peterS | mjk64: as opposed to HP-UX, where things *look* like any other unix but sometimes *act* subtly differently (: |
| 14:36.57 | mjk64 | peterS: That's what I was told already, yeah ... (used HP-UX many years at university) |
| 14:37.13 | zweideutig | I have been trying to get this old dual Pentium CPU Digital Celebris XL 590 for the last 27 hours. :-E |
| 14:37.21 | brosio | ok after that i run mrtg but no page in create in /var/www/mrtg |
| 14:37.23 | brosio | :\ |
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| 14:37.49 | mjk64 | peterS: I used to collect vintage computer hardware (from C64 (got about 50 pieces) to SUN SS10, SGI Indys and all that), but never really got the leisure to have an in-depth look upon(?) their OSs ... :-/ |
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| 14:38.16 | zweideutig | OpenBSD doesn't support my SCSI adapter, NetBSD hangs with MP kernel on the second CPU. FreeBSD triple faults the machine just after loading the kernel. I now try Linux... |
| 14:38.23 | PoPnow | can't get dpkg --force-overwrite a package, isn't the command 'dpkg --force-oberwrite newpackage' ?¨ |
| 14:38.25 | nkuttler | mjk64: the c64 os shouldn't take much time, i had a book where it was printed out in the appendix |
| 14:38.27 | peterS | mjk64: heh. SS10 and Indy can run Debian (: |
| 14:38.31 | mjk64 | peterS: But now I'm cleaning up and I'll probably only keep a dozen C64 and a few PCs, I think. |
| 14:38.37 | mjk64 | nkuttler: Hehe =) |
| 14:38.47 | peterS | mjk64: note, I didn't say they could run debian *fast*. but they'll run it. |
| 14:38.47 | M3G4 | Popnow dpkg -i --force-overwrite |
| 14:39.02 | peterS | mjk64: the C64 port is still in progress (: |
| 14:39.05 | mjk64 | nkuttler: A friend of mine wrote a complete documentation of the Commodore 1581 (3.5" floppy) ROM - over 500 pages! |
| 14:39.10 | mjk64 | peterS: 8-)) |
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| 14:40.05 | peterS | mjk64: I didn't know commodore had a 3.5" floppy drive available |
| 14:40.24 | nkuttler | mjk64: wasn' that 1541? i know that some programs off-loaded parts to its cpu... nice hack |
| 14:40.31 | micro^usta | it has, but just lowdensity |
| 14:40.32 | zweideutig | The documentation should say FLOPPY IMAGES: HERE in bold print. |
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| 14:40.41 | PoPnow | M3G4, sorry but how do I over write libmysqlclient14 with libmysqlclient15, can't get it to work. |
| 14:40.43 | mjk64 | Damn .. it's so bright in my room (we chopped a lotta trees recently) that the bright monitor border nearly burns into my retina, and I have this ghost monitor-border image all over the IRC window now %-) |
| 14:40.47 | micro^usta | at least mine had just low |
| 14:40.48 | micro^usta | hihi |
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| 14:41.00 | mjk64 | peterS: They had, it's a much sought drive =) |
| 14:41.05 | M3G4 | try dpkg -i --force-all |
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| 14:41.20 | M3G4 | but have a copy of the previous one just in case |
| 14:41.25 | mjk64 | peterS: They even had a hard-disk available (very rare and you need an IEEE488 interface to connect it to the C64) |
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| 14:41.59 | peterS | mjk64: IEEE 488! wow. I suppose the 3.5" drive can be used as a coprocessor like the 5.25" drive can? |
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| 14:42.16 | abrotman | eeyore-: http://www.grandchallenge.org/ it started! |
| 14:42.17 | mjk64 | nkuttler: No, my friend documented the 1581 ROM. And yes, the 1541 CPU or the 1581 CPU (2x than 1541-CPU!) was used as co-processor! Those were the days ... :-} |
| 14:42.25 | mjk64 | peterS: Exactly. |
| 14:42.28 | abrotman | Wyzard: i heard there's a bestbuy near your office ... |
| 14:42.30 | Althaser | nkuttler where is the file for edit prompt ? please |
| 14:42.30 | M3G4 | ok UID 0 what is that? |
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| 14:42.39 | abrotman | Wyzard: and a circuitcity on your way home :) |
| 14:42.51 | M3G4 | no damn way |
| 14:42.54 | mjk64 | peterS: And if you happen to have a CMD FD-4000 (ED floppy drive, ~ 3 MB), you have a 4 MHz co-processor. |
| 14:42.55 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'd probably order a ThinkPad online |
| 14:43.01 | M3G4 | root can mount anything |
| 14:43.09 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh sure .. fine! |
| 14:43.14 | abrotman | Wyzard: and the Apple store! |
| 14:43.20 | nkuttler | Althaser: ... http://www.google.com/search?q=bash+prompt+howto |
| 14:43.24 | M3G4 | ok be right back "kopete is not for chatting" |
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| 14:43.33 | abrotman | Wyzard: i did order my TP from EPP .. decent over all .. love the lappie |
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| 14:43.44 | PoPnow | M3G4: should it be 'dpkg -i --force-all libmysqlclient15' ?? I'm confused now.. hehe |
| 14:43.45 | mjk64 | peterS: There are even SCSI HDs and all that for the C64 ... and a so-called SuperCPU, which is a 99% compatible 20-MHz CPU (an up to 16 MB and so on) |
| 14:43.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: if you can get access to EPP .. do it |
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| 14:43.55 | nkuttler | PoPnow: man dpkg |
| 14:43.55 | Althaser | nkuttler yeah i'm reading that but where is the file ? please |
| 14:43.55 | peterS | mjk64: 4 MHz? the C64 itself is only about 1 MHz, right? |
| 14:43.59 | M3G4crux | hi again |
| 14:44.01 | mjk64 | peterS: Exactly. :-) |
| 14:44.01 | sylvisj | Alright. Apt-get isn't able to access any network sources. It keeps saying it's failing to fetch files. |
| 14:44.03 | Wyzard | abrotman: EPP? |
| 14:44.04 | M3G4crux | popnow did it work? |
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| 14:44.23 | peterS | mjk64: do you know any 6502/6510 asm? |
| 14:44.30 | mjk64 | peterS: And as you can hook up up to 4 floppies to the C64 ... Weeehaaa! :-) |
| 14:44.31 | abrotman | Wyzard: Employee Purchase Program |
| 14:44.34 | PoPnow | dpkg: error processing libmysqlclient15 (--install):, cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
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| 14:44.38 | Wyzard | abrotman: ah... not a bad idea |
| 14:44.43 | mjk64 | peterS: I used to know (not too much, alas) |
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| 14:44.49 | PoPnow | M3G4, no :( |
| 14:44.51 | M3G4crux | ok so u dont have the deb package |
| 14:44.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: do you know anyone who works at IBM ? |
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| 14:44.55 | nkuttler | Althaser: ~/.bashrc , man bash as well |
| 14:44.57 | jharrison | howdy |
| 14:44.59 | M3G4crux | u need the .deb |
| 14:45.03 | sylvisj | Me? |
| 14:45.07 | M3G4crux | otherwise there is nothing to install with dpkg |
| 14:45.09 | mjk64 | peterS: Want me to port Debian to it, or why are you asking? =) |
| 14:45.10 | jharrison | abrotman: hi |
| 14:45.12 | pentium451 | !k7 |
| 14:45.12 | dpkg | somebody said k7 was the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 14:45.13 | sylvisj | Nvm. |
| 14:45.18 | Wyzard | abrotman: I don't, unfortunately... though there's a good chance my own employer has an EPP agreement with IBM |
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| 14:45.20 | Beik | sylvisj: Can you access any internet ressource (e.g. google) from your debian system |
| 14:45.21 | jharrison | tarzeau: hi |
| 14:45.22 | mjk64 | !c64 |
| 14:45.22 | dpkg | You really can't install Debian GNU/Linux on a c64 or the OS with all the good games, or you can install a virtual c64 on your Debian GNU/Linux |
| 14:45.26 | Althaser | nkuttler thanks |
| 14:45.27 | sylvisj | Sempron is K8.... |
| 14:45.27 | mjk64 | Hehe ... |
| 14:45.30 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh .. you think? :) |
| 14:45.37 | Wyzard | abrotman: I know they do with Apple, though I don't plan on buying a Mac |
| 14:45.38 | PoPnow | ok, will try again |
| 14:45.39 | nkuttler | PoPnow: look into /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 14:45.40 | jharrison | tarzeau: ping |
| 14:45.42 | M3G4crux | dpkg I use debian amd64 |
| 14:45.45 | M3G4crux | pure 64 |
| 14:45.46 | zweideutig | !smp |
| 14:45.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's |
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| 14:45.54 | Wyzard | abrotman: Hadn't thought of that though... thanks for pointing it out |
| 14:45.58 | M3G4crux | k8 |
| 14:46.08 | sylvisj | I'm putting l on my AMD64 sys soon as I get there. Should be a bit more kind to me. |
| 14:46.16 | sylvisj | it |
| 14:46.24 | abrotman | Wyzard: example ThinkPad T43 (Think Express Program) 2686M7U --- Your price $1,499.25* Web Price $1,999.00* |
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| 14:46.36 | Wyzard | not bad |
| 14:46.38 | M3G4crux | the only problem is all that software that does not work with 64 bit environment |
| 14:46.50 | abrotman | Wyzard: only 25% off :) |
| 14:46.51 | pentium451 | how can I tell if my amd processor is a K7? |
| 14:46.57 | M3G4crux | such as flash, quicktime, etc |
| 14:47.00 | abrotman | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:47.00 | rndr | how can i fix OGENGL on debian sarge |
| 14:47.03 | tarzeau | jharrison: pong? |
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| 14:47.13 | M3G4crux | too many questions |
| 14:47.15 | Wyzard | abrotman: The one I'm looking at is around $1300 retail... I'll have to check on Monday though |
| 14:47.24 | rndr | how can i fix OPENGL on debian sarge |
| 14:47.27 | M3G4crux | no one is gonna talk about sex LOL, (its a joke dont get pissed) |
| 14:47.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: i can tell you what the EPP would be if you have the model number |
| 14:47.30 | Wyzard | pentium451: If it's an Athlon of any sort, it's a K7 |
| 14:47.30 | jharrison | tarzeau: I have my default editor set in update-alternatives but still certain apps use the wrong one |
| 14:47.32 | zweideutig | dpkg's URL http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/ is no longer valid. |
| 14:47.39 | jharrison | tarzeau: you know why that might be? |
| 14:47.44 | tarzeau | jharrison: what did you think? hahaha |
| 14:47.45 | pentium451 | Wyzard: thanks |
| 14:47.47 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'd have to look it up again... don't worry about it |
| 14:47.49 | tarzeau | jharrison: which apps? |
| 14:47.51 | mjk64 | peterS: Btw. how do you pronounce "leisure"? http://cougar.eb.com/sound/l/leisur02.wav or http://cougar.eb.com/sound/l/leisur01.wav ? |
| 14:47.54 | abrotman | Wyzard: fine .. be that way! |
| 14:47.55 | jharrison | tarzeau: git |
| 14:48.01 | jharrison | tarzeau: cogito |
| 14:48.04 | tarzeau | jharrison: forget it, you have to set the editor at 20 places for it to work, and even then |
| 14:48.12 | tarzeau | some applications will screw it up |
| 14:48.13 | peterS | mjk64: rhymes with seizure |
| 14:48.17 | jharrison | tarzeau: but I hate vi |
| 14:48.22 | tarzeau | jharrison: i don't know git/cogito |
| 14:48.28 | tarzeau | jharrison: rename emacs binary to vi :) |
| 14:48.30 | Wyzard | rndr: What's wrong with OpenGL in the first place? |
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| 14:48.41 | mjk64 | peterS: Ah, okay! |
| 14:48.43 | jharrison | tarzeau: hey thats an idea |
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| 14:49.00 | mjk64 | peterS: Uh, forgot: where are you located? US/UK/AU/NZ? |
| 14:49.04 | pentium451 | peterS: no, rhymes with pleasure |
| 14:49.04 | rndr | Wyzard : i started a game to host and it shut down because of OPENGL problem |
| 14:49.05 | peterS | US |
| 14:49.10 | mjk64 | peterS: ok, thx! |
| 14:49.23 | Wyzard | abrotman: The main problem with my current laptop (a ThinkPad T20) is that the backlight doesn't work half the time |
| 14:49.26 | sylvisj | Anyone: How do I add a line for apt-get (in sources file) to use internet sources? It keeps failing with http and ftp... |
| 14:49.39 | abrotman | Wyzard: yeah . i can see that being a problem |
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| 14:49.55 | sanxiyn | This is scary: http://tmp.janik.cz/OpenOffice.org/OOoDepGraph/OOo.png |
| 14:50.04 | sanxiyn | (Warning: big image) |
| 14:50.13 | Wyzard | rndr: But what sort of OpenGL problem? Just saying "problem" is far too vague for anyone to be able to help you. |
| 14:50.13 | mjk64 | sanxiyn: OMG. |
| 14:50.27 | rndr | Wyzard : i will copy |
| 14:50.28 | Wyzard | lol |
| 14:50.41 | Wyzard | rndr: Use #flood if it's more than a line or two |
| 14:50.58 | rndr | ye i know |
| 14:51.03 | rndr | i'm there |
| 14:51.37 | sylvisj | Ok... can anyone help me out? Apt-get is failing to get sources from teh internet. I'm gonna probably have to add a line to the sources file, but don't know what to add. |
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| 14:51.42 | rndr | Wyzard: wait a sec , need to load again |
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| 14:52.14 | Wyzard | sylvisj: There's a list of mirrors available on the website |
| 14:52.17 | sylvisj | I know. |
| 14:52.23 | sylvisj | It keeps failing to fetch files from all of them. |
| 14:52.38 | Frieza | OK, so I forget what the name of the product you download from the site was called. |
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| 14:52.45 | Wyzard | That sounds like a problem with your network, not with your apt configuration |
| 14:52.46 | peterS | mjk64: ahh, that took *forever* to find. if you know 6502 asm, you might enjoy this joke - it's very clever. note the date. http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0004.0/0000.html |
| 14:52.53 | sylvisj | I don't think my almighty USB cable modem is working right with linux. |
| 14:52.58 | Wyzard | Maybe there's a firewall blocking HTTP, and you have to use a proxy or something? |
| 14:53.02 | sylvisj | Nope. |
| 14:53.08 | sylvisj | Just my trusty POS usb cable modem. |
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| 14:53.14 | sylvisj | Motorola |
| 14:53.14 | Luie | help me |
| 14:53.22 | Wyzard | If your IRCing through that cable modem, it's working fine |
| 14:53.30 | Luie | =) |
| 14:53.32 | Luie | hi |
| 14:53.35 | sylvisj | I'm on Windows now. |
| 14:53.38 | mjk64 | peterS: Haha! The start is good already without knowing 6502 asm =) |
| 14:53.53 | sylvisj | I'm restarting ot boot into linux, restarting to boot into Win. |
| 14:54.03 | peterS | mjk64: if you are familiar with Apple II hardware, the whole kernel log is funny. it's almost believable. |
| 14:54.08 | Wyzard | OK, so the modem just doesn't work at all in Debian |
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| 14:54.13 | Frieza | OK, so what was this server made for? |
| 14:54.24 | dorto | anyone knows if i can install mono+related software on debian 3.1 using apt-get? |
| 14:54.34 | Wyzard | dorto: apt-get install mono |
| 14:54.34 | sylvisj | That's what it would seem. It reads that a Broadcom USB Modem is attatched at boot. |
| 14:54.35 | mjk64 | peterS: bookmarked it =) (OMG, more than 10,000 bookmarks already - gotta clean up!) |
| 14:54.40 | sylvisj | I just can't get it to work. |
| 14:54.41 | peterS | heh |
| 14:55.00 | peterS | mjk64: one followup noted that "1020 Hz processor" was wrong. should have been kHz of course. oh well, minor detail |
| 14:55.06 | sylvisj | <-- What happens when a linux noob tries debian on a USB modem. |
| 14:55.11 | Wyzard | sylvisj: Recognizing that a USB device is plugged in, and getting its name, is part of the basic USB support that's common to any device |
| 14:55.11 | dorto | Wyzard: i tried that; and got package not found error |
| 14:55.19 | Slippy | What's the name of the program that generates nice statistics about a cvs repository? |
| 14:55.30 | Wyzard | sylvisj: Using it to actually communicate would be an additional driver for that specific type of device |
| 14:55.30 | sylvisj | Wyzard, I know this. I don't know how to get it to work though. |
| 14:55.40 | dorto | webcvs? cvsview? |
| 14:55.49 | sylvisj | I have the drivers on a CD... how would I isntall them on linux? |
| 14:55.50 | mjk64 | peterS: Yeah, just noticed that ... the 6510 in the PAL C64 was running at 985 kHz (circa, dunno exact numbers anymore :-) |
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| 14:56.02 | sanxiyn | mjk64: You'd need a search engine for bookmarks! |
| 14:56.03 | Wyzard | sylvisj: I've never used a USB cablemodem, but I know there are some networking drivers in the USB section of the kernel... maybe one of those? |
| 14:56.14 | peterS | mjk64: this line "Checking 'TSB' instruction... OK." is funny because TSB is new to the 65C02 (not the original 6502) and it *is* an instruction that a kernel would want to use if available |
| 14:56.24 | Wyzard | sylvisj: The driver provided by the manufactuer is probably a Windows driver, and not useful to you in Debian |
| 14:56.25 | sylvisj | Wyzard, I'd check if I knew what to do. |
| 14:56.31 | sanxiyn | dorto: apt-get install viewcvs |
| 14:56.33 | sylvisj | I was just gonna say it's a windows cd |
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| 14:57.16 | knt | how can we re-create "dpkg --get-selections|-l" list's cache? |
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| 14:57.33 | mjk64 | sanxiyn: OMG! 8-) |
| 14:57.37 | sylvisj | Wyzard... if I do find a few drivers (no clue where to look), how would I use them? |
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| 14:57.53 | sylvisj | Where would I look, at that? |
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| 14:57.56 | mjk64 | sanxiyn: Well, the Firefox search function (together with the "Locate" extension) does it's job ... not well, but it works. |
| 14:57.58 | Guiloo | hi all |
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| 14:58.00 | stew | knt: what do you mean by "recreate"? |
| 14:58.08 | Guiloo | im looking for an utility able to enocde in x264 |
| 14:58.26 | knt | stew: i want to rip off purged/deinstall lines. |
| 14:58.39 | mjk64 | peterS: trying to remember what TSB was, but I think, I have to look that up :-} |
| 14:58.48 | peterS | mjk64: test-and-set-bit |
| 14:58.58 | juggyboo | hey this is weird question - i know this is a debian channel, but i am sure there are some admins here who could help me - is there a tool in windows where I can make custom updated cds and that tool downloads all the updates before making the iso - there used to be but i can't remember what it is called, on google i only get nlite - which is cool, but it doesn't download updates automatically - can anyone help me out |
| 14:58.59 | mjk64 | peterS: ah, found that, too, okay |
| 14:59.08 | Wyzard | sylvisj: The driver you need would most likely be a general driver for that type of USB network device, not something specific to Broadcom, and if it exists, it's probably part of the kernel already... you just have to load the right module |
| 14:59.21 | sylvisj | How would I do so? |
| 14:59.25 | Wyzard | sylvisj: You might try "modprobe usbnet" |
| 14:59.31 | sylvisj | Ok. |
| 14:59.32 | Wyzard | sylvisj: http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ has some info |
| 14:59.32 | stew | knt: i'm not sure what you mean. you want to suppress the "purged" / "deinstall" lines? |
| 14:59.45 | M3G4crux | has anyone ever edited a /etc/hotplug/usb script? |
| 14:59.50 | Guiloo | what tool to encode using x264 cpdec ? |
| 14:59.53 | sylvisj | Just use modprobe drivername? |
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| 15:00.03 | mjk64 | peterS: Err ... NCR 65C02? Hmm... can't remember that, I can only remember CBM/MOS and Rockwell as manufacturers, but I guess there were many more |
| 15:00.10 | tarzeau | Guiloo: what's that? |
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| 15:00.26 | peterS | mjk64: yeah I thought it was MOS, but surely he got his information *somewhere* |
| 15:00.32 | mjk64 | peterS: yeah |
| 15:00.33 | sylvisj | Wyzard: just use modprobe <drivername>? |
| 15:00.37 | Guiloo | tarzeau sorry, i'd like a soft to encode using x264 cpdec |
| 15:00.41 | pentium451 | Help, I'm stuck in a loop! 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7' sez: 'hal: Depends: udev (>= 0.063) but 0.056-3 is to be installed; try -f install' -- and -- 'apt-get -f install' sez: 'udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12' |
| 15:00.44 | Guiloo | codec |
| 15:00.50 | Wyzard | sylvisj: yes |
| 15:00.54 | sylvisj | Thanks. |
| 15:00.56 | tarzeau | Guiloo: yeah but is that audio? video? what is it? |
| 15:01.01 | dorto | say i want to buy wireless pci network cards for my pcs. which one(s) will give me least amount of trouble in debian/other gnu/linux os? |
| 15:01.08 | Guiloo | video |
| 15:01.09 | mjk64 | Ha! Another "minor detail"! :-) "Serial driver version 4.92 (2000-1-27) with [...] SERIAL_PCI enabled" |
| 15:01.20 | Wyzard | sylvisj: but I'm not sure whether "usbnet" is the one you need, and if I understand that page correctly, it only exists on 2.6 kernels, and has a different name on 2.4 kernels |
| 15:01.22 | peterS | mjk64: note the followup http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0004.0/0245.html - it seems you were right about your C64 clock speed |
| 15:01.25 | mjk64 | peterS: He should have used more time on that =) |
| 15:01.29 | Wyzard | sylvisj: If you're not running 2.6, you should upgrade anyway |
| 15:01.29 | tarzeau | Guiloo: i know of mplayer/mencoder for video, and use lame for audio. if it can do what you want, you'll want to check the documentation |
| 15:01.31 | sanxiyn | pentium451: Try enumerating all related packages. |
| 15:01.32 | Slippy | dorto: intel wireless pro 2200 |
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| 15:01.40 | fusspils | how do I bind a key to an app? |
| 15:01.41 | sanxiyn | (apt-get install hal udev linux-image-...) |
| 15:01.42 | tarzeau | Wyzard: there's reasons to stay with 2.4 |
| 15:01.51 | Beik | pentium451: download udev and kernel with wget and install it with dpkg -i --force-all |
| 15:01.54 | mjk64 | peterS: Oh, yeah! Nice ... the C-64 "reports" 985249 Hz. I luv it =) |
| 15:01.59 | Guiloo | thanks |
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| 15:02.14 | dorto | Slippy: that's a separately buyable card and not the integrated one with motherboard? |
| 15:02.21 | pentium451 | Beik: thanks |
| 15:02.28 | sylvisj | Alright, Wyzard. Into the dark I go. |
| 15:02.28 | dorto | if that question is not stupid one :P |
| 15:02.29 | Jacobo221 | hi. about compiling a vanilla kernel, for a desktop use, which kernel preemption would be best: low-latency or voluntary preemption? |
| 15:02.42 | Wyzard | tarzeau: And there are also reasons to upgrade to 2.6... for a home user just trying to get online, I doubt there's an overriding reason to use 2.4 |
| 15:04.49 | dorto | anyone connected nokia mobile phones through USB/IrDA adapters in gnu/linux? |
| 15:05.04 | dorto | any helpful links? |
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| 15:05.55 | tarzeau | dorto: i failed to do so |
| 15:06.18 | dorto | :( |
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| 15:06.40 | tarzeau | dorto: i've got an irda ma-660, you? |
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| 15:07.00 | dorto | mine is nokia 3660 |
| 15:07.37 | dorto | Slippy: intel wireless pro 2200 seems to be an adapter. do i have to buy a card separately? |
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| 15:08.49 | lakcaj | Does checkinstall work with scons? |
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| 15:09.25 | Slippy | dorto: Yeah I bought one separately |
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| 15:09.30 | www | hi there |
| 15:09.44 | dorto | how much did that cost roughly? |
| 15:09.48 | www | can you tell me what is the best emule equivalent for sarge ? |
| 15:09.49 | sanxiyn | lakcaj: Well, it should work, no? |
| 15:09.59 | www | apt-cache search emule gives nothing |
| 15:09.59 | dorto | i was planning to replace all cables with wireless cards and i have 4 pcs |
| 15:10.12 | dorto | what would be cheapest? |
| 15:10.36 | sanxiyn | lakcaj: You just do (say) "checkinstall scons install". |
| 15:10.39 | Althaser | www amule |
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| 15:10.45 | lakcaj | sanxiyn: I have no idea. If I type "checkinstall" ....... oh... ok, thanks :) |
| 15:10.46 | www | okay |
| 15:10.48 | Althaser | www apt-cache search amule |
| 15:10.57 | lack | Can anyone here give me a hand with gksudo? |
| 15:10.58 | sanxiyn | lakcaj: You can specify command to run after checkinstall. |
| 15:11.06 | sanxiyn | (Which is "make install" by default.) |
| 15:11.24 | lakcaj | sanxiyn: ok, I wasn't aware of that. That makes sense. I was wondering how it would know to try scons instead of make. |
| 15:11.25 | lakcaj | thanks |
| 15:12.12 | www | amule only exists in rpm, there is no .deb |
| 15:12.12 | www | :( |
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| 15:12.46 | sanxiyn | www: Wrong |
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| 15:12.53 | sanxiyn | !info amule |
| 15:12.55 | dpkg | amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 2568 kB, Installed size: 7219 kB |
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| 15:13.26 | www | it s not in sarge |
| 15:13.32 | sanxiyn | www: Too bad. |
| 15:13.34 | strat | !info splashy |
| 15:13.42 | grautvornix | !x en nl it is not in sarge |
| 15:13.42 | dpkg | grautvornix: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:14.01 | pentium451 | when is udev a good idea? |
| 15:14.04 | grautvornix | sorry bout that guys |
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| 15:14.16 | dvs | pentium451: If you're lazy like me |
| 15:14.16 | grautvornix | wrong channel |
| 15:14.17 | sanxiyn | pentium451: Dunno. Anyone knows? |
| 15:14.18 | dvs | ;-) |
| 15:14.22 | pentium451 | heh |
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| 15:14.43 | pentium451 | dvs: well i'm lazy, but it seems to get in the way a lot |
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| 15:14.54 | NOVA | wenas |
| 15:14.59 | dvs | pentium451: Get in the way? How so? |
| 15:15.02 | NOVA | como puedo imprimir una rchivo *.ps |
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| 15:15.25 | pentium451 | a reboot lost my chgrp on a /dev entry (?) |
| 15:15.26 | sanxiyn | dvs: By not creating some device files, etc. |
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| 15:15.55 | dvs | pentium451: You change the scripts in /etc/udev. You can change the permissions there as well. |
| 15:16.11 | pentium451 | ahh, didn't see the doc |
| 15:16.16 | sanxiyn | dvs: And we are supposed to be lazy? :( |
| 15:16.32 | stjepan | is Sarge on 9CDs? |
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| 15:17.17 | sanxiyn | stjepan: 14 CDs. |
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| 15:17.34 | dvs | sanxiyn: Well, lazy in the way that I don't want to look for my device name whenever it changes. I'll always find it at /dev/printer for example |
| 15:17.52 | dvs | stjepan: Or 2 DVDs |
| 15:17.58 | pentium451 | dvs: if you didn't run udev, the name wouldn't change |
| 15:18.18 | dvs | pentium451: Even a USB printer? |
| 15:18.33 | pentium451 | ahh, now where getting to what it brings to the table |
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| 15:19.07 | dvs | pentium451: USB is a big reason to use udev |
| 15:19.13 | pentium451 | I guess my cables are stable |
| 15:19.48 | sanxiyn | Sarge is actually 13 to 15 CDs, depending on platforms. |
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| 15:20.06 | dorto | anyone installed g++ version 4.0 on debian? is it available? |
| 15:20.07 | sanxiyn | And 15 source CDs. :-) |
| 15:20.11 | enigma_ | in gnome system tools network i can see the icon on my other pc but when i try to browse it no directories are being displayed even though the theres a folder sharing on my winxp.. how to fix that? |
| 15:20.23 | sylvisj | Is there a way for me to re-run the network setup? |
| 15:20.34 | sylvisj | I had all the settings right, just had eth0 wrong - it needed to be eth1 |
| 15:20.58 | Beik | sylvisj: maybe base-config |
| 15:21.01 | dorto | you can edit /etc/network/interfaces carefully |
| 15:21.14 | sylvisj | Beik, I might try that. Dorto, I know. I don't know what to add. |
| 15:21.34 | dorto | change eth0 to eth1 |
| 15:21.34 | sanxiyn | Beik: It's not there... |
| 15:21.41 | sylvisj | I already didl. |
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| 15:21.56 | dorto | but there is a menu option for changing network configs |
| 15:21.56 | sylvisj | I'm missing half of the things that I originally had - xenguy todl me to cut them out. |
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| 15:22.10 | enigma_ | in gnome system tools network i can see the icon on my other pc but when i try to browse it no directories are being displayed even though the theres a folder sharing on my winxp.. how to fix that? anybody? |
| 15:22.20 | dorto | Applications->System Tools->Networking |
| 15:22.20 | error403 | Is there a page anywhere with all of the values for 'vga=' in the boot parameters with the resolutions they refer to? |
| 15:22.23 | Beik | sanxiyn: /usr/sbin/base-config |
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| 15:22.35 | sylvisj | Thx Beik. |
| 15:23.06 | dorto | testing... |
| 15:23.11 | sylvisj | I think I might just reinstall it. |
| 15:23.11 | dorto | !dpkg say dorto repeat |
| 15:23.12 | dpkg | dorto repeat |
| 15:23.12 | sanxiyn | Beik: I mean, network setup is not in base-config. |
| 15:23.18 | enigma_ | dorto, is that for me? |
| 15:23.26 | dorto | no |
| 15:23.31 | Beik | sanxiyn: ok ;) |
| 15:23.32 | enigma_ | oh ok |
| 15:23.43 | sniperyyd | how to make gpm working on a USB mouse ? |
| 15:23.43 | m3g4crux | this should work when run in a script with root priviledges (USER is defined): su ${USER} -c mount '/mnt/Camara' |
| 15:23.48 | sylvisj | Sanxiyn, I'ma just reinstall Debian. Erasing/rewrigint a CD RW now. |
| 15:24.28 | m3g4crux | or I have to pass /mnt/Camara in a different way? |
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| 15:25.12 | dorto | but i remember once being given the info that way when i repeated my question |
| 15:25.19 | sanxiyn | m3g4crux: su ${USER} -c 'mount /mnt/camera' ? |
| 15:25.21 | dorto | so you reminded me that enigma_ :) |
| 15:25.24 | sanxiyn | (Note the place of quotes) |
| 15:25.37 | dorto | i was trying to recall what command was used then :P |
| 15:25.37 | m3g4crux | ok I will try but I think it didnt work, :D |
| 15:25.57 | sniperyyd | how to make gpm working on a USB mouse ? |
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| 15:26.11 | m3g4crux | damn it does not work |
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| 15:26.33 | enigma_ | dorto, can you help me on network settings? |
| 15:26.36 | sanxiyn | sniperyyd: Nothing special. |
| 15:26.48 | sanxiyn | sniperyyd: i.e. correctly configuring gpm, probably using gpmconfig. |
| 15:26.49 | BryanOrthner | anyone run into problems installing debian on Intel 945 mobo with SATA drives? |
| 15:26.59 | sniperyyd | sanxiyn: thankyou |
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| 15:27.16 | BryanOrthner | I get as far as the reboot, but the machine says no bootable drives found |
| 15:27.22 | dorto | enigma_: i am no expert; you ask in the channel and if not me some one else will help |
| 15:27.24 | dvs | BryanOrthner: I don't think the 2.6.8 will work with ICH6 chipset |
| 15:27.36 | dorto | enigma_: if i can then i will help |
| 15:27.44 | enigma_ | ok |
| 15:27.51 | BryanOrthner | I tried the latest daily etch - does it still have 2.6.8? |
| 15:28.00 | sylvisj | Bryan, wouldn't you have to put SATA drivers in the debian CD? |
| 15:28.02 | dvs | BryanOrthner: Etch has 2.6.12 |
| 15:28.15 | dorto | what is the gcc version in etch? |
| 15:28.17 | sylvisj | On windows you have to have your SATA drivers at the ready. |
| 15:28.24 | sylvisj | Might be the same for Linux. |
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| 15:28.46 | sanxiyn | dvs: I think BryanOrthner is referring to debian-installer build. |
| 15:28.51 | BryanOrthner | I've done SATA with sarge on other mobos without a problem |
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| 15:29.04 | sylvisj | Hmm.. can't help ya. I'm a noob with this. |
| 15:29.08 | BryanOrthner | Yes, I was referring to latest d-i build |
| 15:29.08 | yang26 | Is mplayer removed from stable pool ? |
| 15:29.11 | dvs | sanxiyn: What's the difference? |
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| 15:29.26 | dvs | sanxiyn: Oh? The weekly build? |
| 15:29.33 | sanxiyn | dvs: yes |
| 15:29.57 | sanxiyn | dvs: 2.6.12 in Etch (testing) and 2.6.12 in d-i testing build is two different thing... |
| 15:30.25 | sanxiyn | yang26: mplayer was never a part of Debian. |
| 15:30.36 | BryanOrthner | what puzzles me is that the installer can partition drives and install software, but when I reboot, the machine doesn't see the Grub |
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| 15:30.41 | enigma_ | dorto, last question what do i need to put in WINS server ip of the other machine? |
| 15:30.57 | sanxiyn | BryanOrthner: Well, it is, apparently, for testing. |
| 15:31.24 | dorto | enigma_: you are trying to share a directory using samba? |
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| 15:31.42 | enigma_ | dorto, yeah |
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| 15:31.51 | yang26 | sanxiyn: but i see mplayer-586 entry in my search |
| 15:31.56 | dorto | enigma_: the dir is in windows or gnu/linux? |
| 15:32.04 | enigma_ | dorto, winxp |
| 15:32.06 | Leonidas | hi |
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| 15:32.23 | Leonidas | knoppix is the bes Debian! |
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| 15:32.31 | Leonidas | knoppix is the best Debian! |
| 15:32.31 | dorto | enigma_: how are trying to access it in gnu/linux? |
| 15:32.50 | enigma_ | dorto, it shows now.. it just its too slow.. not it need a password |
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| 15:33.05 | sanxiyn | Leonidas: Go away. |
| 15:33.16 | Leonidas | I have installed it just now! |
| 15:33.22 | pentium451 | Leonidas: knoppix is cool (at first) but it is not debian |
| 15:33.23 | enigma_ | dorto, it needs a password now.. where do i need to check for it? |
| 15:33.23 | sanxiyn | yang26: Well, some Debian packages do *refer* to mplayer, but mplayer itself was never a part of Debian. |
| 15:33.32 | Adri2000 | humm, are there different cd for each debian (stable, unstable, ....), or should i choose at the install ? |
| 15:33.42 | Leonidas | but HDD istallation is more complex |
| 15:33.52 | dvs | Adri2000: There are stable and testing CDs |
| 15:33.57 | Leonidas | no? |
| 15:33.59 | dorto | enigma_: try giving the username and password you use to login into windows xp |
| 15:34.04 | pentium451 | Leonidas: it is very easy to install, but a few updates later it gets itself confuses |
| 15:34.06 | sanxiyn | Leonidas: Sorry, this channel is not about Knoppix. |
| 15:34.09 | Leonidas | sorry |
| 15:34.16 | Adri2000 | dvs: ftp://ftp.proxad.net/mirrors/cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ < were are they ? |
| 15:34.16 | Leonidas | bye |
| 15:34.26 | enigma_ | dorto, what if i dont have a password just a user |
| 15:34.30 | yang26 | sanxiyn: http://pastebin.com/387146 |
| 15:34.31 | dorto | enigma_: leaving password blank should work i think (not sure) |
| 15:34.38 | enigma_ | ok |
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| 15:34.44 | dvs | Adri2000: That's stable (sarge) |
| 15:34.57 | sanxiyn | yang26: That's not from Debian archive, no? |
| 15:35.00 | Adri2000 | dvs: and to get unstable? |
| 15:35.07 | sanxiyn | yang26: You have additional lines on your sources.list. |
| 15:35.08 | dorto | enigma_: for testing, just create a user with a password in xp, login with that user, share some dir and then try accessing it in gnu/linux |
| 15:35.15 | dvs | Adri2000: I said there is only stable and testing. |
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| 15:35.39 | yang26 | sanxiyn: maybe i had, now i cant remember |
| 15:35.44 | dorto | enigma_: what is the OS/version you are using? |
| 15:35.56 | enigma_ | dorto, debian sarge on this pc |
| 15:36.03 | Adri2000 | dvs: ahh, so where are testing iso? |
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| 15:36.57 | dvs | Adri2000: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/ |
| 15:37.00 | sniperyyd | does debian have a graphical deb package manager/installer? |
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| 15:37.30 | dvs | sniperyyd: Like synaptic? |
| 15:37.39 | dorto | enigma_: you are accessing the share from file browser? computer->Network->Windows Network->[Workgroup_Name]->[Machine_Name] |
| 15:37.47 | sniperyyd | dvs: i dont know , im new to debian |
| 15:37.52 | sniperyyd | i'm * |
| 15:38.01 | enigma_ | dorto, yeah it works now :) |
| 15:38.09 | dvs | sniperyyd: Then try Synaptic |
| 15:38.14 | Adri2000 | dvs: ok thanks, and to go to unstable, i have just to edit sources.list and dist-upgrade ? |
| 15:38.15 | sniperyyd | dvs: i check it out |
| 15:38.18 | dorto | enigma_: congrats :) |
| 15:38.32 | enigma_ | dorto, thanks.. brb need to test it out on flux hehe |
| 15:38.36 | dvs | Adri2000: Yup. But if you're asking then I wouldn't advise it. |
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| 15:38.46 | dorto | enigmus: np |
| 15:38.51 | dorto | oops |
| 15:38.56 | christor | Hello I m trying to install a wifi card using ndiswrapper and when I launch the command modprobe ndiswrapper I have an error : FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
| 15:39.35 | valdyn | christor: how did you install ndiswrapper? |
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| 15:40.05 | sandman | valdyn: Install modules, then windows inf |
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| 15:40.30 | valdyn | sandman: you are speaking for christor ? |
| 15:40.36 | zerver_the_death | lol |
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| 15:41.13 | encompass | !best email |
| 15:41.23 | dorto | how to install gcc 4.0 in debian 3.1? |
| 15:41.32 | encompass | !best email-client |
| 15:41.38 | dvs | !info gcc-4.0 sarge |
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| 15:41.51 | encompass | ok, what is the best text based email client |
| 15:41.56 | dvs | !info gcc-4.0 etch |
| 15:41.58 | dpkg | gcc-4.0: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4.0.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 483 kB, Installed size: 1172 kB |
| 15:42.03 | antgel | !tell encompass about polls |
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| 15:42.08 | valdyn | !best |
| 15:42.09 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 15:42.10 | dvs | dorto: You don't. It doesn't exist |
| 15:42.22 | dvs | encompass: mutt |
| 15:42.25 | dbw | hiya all :) |
| 15:42.26 | sanxiyn | Eh, that factoid is strange. |
| 15:42.27 | cahoot | encompass: have a look at mutt |
| 15:42.28 | dorto | dvs: so i can install gcc 4.0 in etch? |
| 15:42.34 | dvs | dorto: yes |
| 15:42.37 | encompass | What? |
| 15:42.38 | dorto | k, thx |
| 15:42.39 | dbw | i just switched from ubuntu to pure debian, and it was fairly seamless |
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| 15:42.45 | dbw | i'm having one problem though.... |
| 15:42.48 | sanxiyn | "All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less." -- mutt.org |
| 15:42.53 | antgel | !tell dorto about releases |
| 15:42.54 | dorto | lol |
| 15:42.58 | valdyn | dbw: how did you switch? |
| 15:43.00 | dbw | i can't start the sql server! it complains about a missing socket.... |
| 15:43.03 | encompass | hah |
| 15:43.08 | encompass | ok mutt it is then? |
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| 15:43.15 | encompass | going one? |
| 15:43.17 | sanxiyn | dbw: Which SQL server? |
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| 15:43.20 | dvs | encompass: Yes, mutt. ;-) |
| 15:43.21 | antgel | dbw: are you running stable? |
| 15:43.23 | dorto | err....i think i know about diff releases of debian :P |
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| 15:43.27 | dbw | valdyn: backed up my sql dbs and killed all the partitions but /home :) |
| 15:43.28 | antgel | it's mysql |
| 15:43.30 | encompass | Twice?.... Thrice!? |
| 15:43.31 | dbw | sanxiyn: mysql |
| 15:43.32 | encompass | Sold! |
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| 15:43.36 | dbw | antgel: testing |
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| 15:43.45 | error403 | Is there a page anywhere with all of the values for 'vga=' in the boot parameters with the resolutions they refer to? |
| 15:43.47 | dorto | !tell dorto about repeat |
| 15:44.00 | valdyn | error403: your kernels Documentation |
| 15:44.16 | antgel | dbw: 1. if you're new to debian you should run stable. 2. did you check the bts? i'm sure i remember a bug like this |
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| 15:44.25 | error403 | valdyn, there isnt a table of the vga values in there... |
| 15:44.27 | sandman | Does anyon know what the kernle-image maintainers' /etc/mkinitrd/modules file looks like? I think they have vesafb in there.. |
| 15:44.28 | dorto | !info mono sarge |
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| 15:44.44 | encompass | thanks guys see ya |
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| 15:45.08 | antgel | dorto: if you knew about different releases of debian you would know that gcc4.0 isn't in sarge, and never will be |
| 15:45.10 | dbw | antgel: well, i've been using ubuntu for a while, which IS stable... i switched because i wanted newer packages :) and more control over the system... |
| 15:45.31 | dorto | o.0 |
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| 15:45.39 | valdyn | error403: linux/Documentation/svga.txt |
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| 15:46.10 | sandman | dbw: Use gentoo or etch or sid in a chroot |
| 15:46.12 | tele | Does anyone know how to apply changes to a debian source package before building binary (using dpkg-buildpackage)? |
| 15:46.18 | antgel | dbw: any specific newer packages? i hope you are aware that testing breaks from time to time. you don't get more control in testing. don't know where you heard that one. |
| 15:46.20 | error403 | valdyn, where is that? |
| 15:46.34 | sandman | dbw: I use stable on top, then etch/sid & gentoo in a chroto |
| 15:46.37 | sanxiyn | error403: http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/svga.txt |
| 15:46.37 | sandman | chroot, too |
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| 15:46.45 | sanxiyn | error403: It's in Kernel source tarball. |
| 15:46.49 | error403 | ah |
| 15:46.56 | error403 | i dont have a kernel source at the moment |
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| 15:47.02 | Varanger | hello |
| 15:47.06 | error403 | and dont have much bandwidth left for the month |
| 15:47.08 | sanxiyn | error403: So you can use lxr, I linked above. |
| 15:47.17 | sanxiyn | (Linux Kernel on the web.) |
| 15:47.22 | error403 | sanxiyn, yeah, thanks man |
| 15:47.22 | Varanger | I have installed enlightenment but I dont know how to choose it with gdm... |
| 15:47.23 | antgel | error403: you can browse the kernel source on the Information Superhighway |
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| 15:47.31 | antgel | error403: what sanxiyn said :) |
| 15:47.39 | error403 | thanks peopl |
| 15:47.47 | valdyn | Varanger: chose default xsession in gdm after you edited ~/.xsession |
| 15:48.11 | dbw | sandman: i don't use testing for more control, i use debian for more control. |
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| 15:48.31 | Varanger | valdyn: ~/.xsession is blanl |
| 15:48.32 | dbw | sandman: and i like the bleeding edge ;) |
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| 15:48.36 | dbw | ALPHA POWERED RAR |
| 15:48.54 | sanxiyn | Varanger: You can use .xsession as valdyn suggested, or you can bug enlightenment maintainer to ship /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop file. |
| 15:49.17 | sandman | dbw: ? |
| 15:49.23 | Varanger | valdyn: how can I edit it? what should I put there? |
| 15:49.30 | sandman | dbw: You make about as much sense as a screen door in a submarine. |
| 15:49.38 | dbw | sandman: :( |
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| 15:49.52 | sanxiyn | Varanger: You edit .xsession (or create, if it's not there) with any text editor. You put it in your home directory. |
| 15:49.55 | valdyn | Varanger: just 'exec /usr/bin/enlightenment' |
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| 15:50.11 | Varanger | sanxiyn: there is only a gnome.session file in /usr/share/xsessions |
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| 15:50.26 | sanxiyn | Varanger: Yes. |
| 15:50.57 | zvn | problem with ftp-ssl: auth is successful, but 'ls' gives 425 Can't build data connection: No route to host. |
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| 15:51.31 | zvn | data connection requires crypto also in the server |
| 15:51.38 | Varanger | valdyn: Should I put the exec line in .xsession or in /etc/X11/xsessions/ ? |
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| 15:51.50 | sanxiyn | zvn: Is port 20 and 21 open? |
| 15:51.52 | valdyn | Varanger: ~/.xsession |
| 15:52.09 | Embrik | i'm trying to mount a cdrom for my son, he wants to play music |
| 15:52.23 | dvs | Embrik: You don't mount music CDs |
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| 15:52.47 | Varanger | valdyn: thanks! |
| 15:52.54 | Embrik | dvs:then it shuld start playing afte I have inserted the cd? |
| 15:53.13 | zvn | sanxiyn: where 8| |
| 15:53.14 | dvs | Embrik: You have to use a program that plays music CDs |
| 15:53.36 | zvn | sanxiyn, the server doesn't use 20 |
| 15:53.42 | Embrik | I use KDE-mediaplayer |
| 15:53.46 | sanxiyn | zvn: Eh, but port 20 is ftp-data port. |
| 15:53.58 | Embrik | But nothing happens |
| 15:54.05 | antgel | zvn: any reason not to use scp? |
| 15:54.12 | sanxiyn | Embrik: Perhaps it has menu entry like "Play CD" :-) |
| 15:54.13 | dvs | Embrik: Is the unix user part of the audio group? |
| 15:54.23 | dbw | sandman: assuming i'm careful about what packages i install and competent to fix my system if it breaks, what's the advantage of stable over testing? |
| 15:54.35 | sanxiyn | dbw: You get security updates. |
| 15:54.37 | zvn | antgel: the remote server is glFTPd |
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| 15:54.49 | Embrik | don't know, just created the user like this: adduser... |
| 15:54.50 | antgel | dbw: you don't get it. stable is less likely to break than testing. |
| 15:54.52 | dbw | sanxiyn: huh. that's a pretty good answer. :-\ |
| 15:54.59 | sanxiyn | dbw: Also, you don't need to fix system. |
| 15:55.04 | dvs | Embrik: Type "groups" and hit enter |
| 15:55.05 | dbw | antgel: i understand that, but the packages are all old! |
| 15:55.21 | dbw | can i install newer packages, from testing say? |
| 15:55.35 | sanxiyn | dbw: You don't. |
| 15:55.38 | antgel | dbw: no, that's a receipe for disaster |
| 15:55.53 | dbw | okay, then i could have just stayed with ubuntu |
| 15:55.57 | sanxiyn | dbw: With stable, you get un-changing, and stable, system. |
| 15:56.02 | Embrik | dvs: group gives lpadmin and root |
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| 15:56.07 | dbw | this is not what i want |
| 15:56.12 | antgel | dbw: is there anything specific that you need that is not in stable, or are you just desparate for the latest eye-candy? |
| 15:56.15 | sanxiyn | dbw: Oh, then don't use stable. |
| 15:56.18 | dvs | Embrik: Then type "adduser <user> audio" |
| 15:56.23 | dbw | antgel: ion3 |
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| 15:56.34 | dbw | that's the main thing |
| 15:56.35 | sanxiyn | !tell dbw about simple sid backport |
| 15:57.00 | Thaiger | I'm having trouble getting direct rendering working so I went back through the DRI troubleshooting wiki and it says my libGL is out of sync with my DRI drivers, how do I upgrade my libGL |
| 15:57.04 | dbw | okay |
| 15:57.04 | Embrik | dvs: done |
| 15:57.10 | antgel | dbw: i think most of us would say to someone who wants a more up-to-date distro that (probably) won't break, debian is not for you |
| 15:57.14 | dvs | Embrik: Now logout and back in again |
| 15:57.24 | Embrik | ok, see you |
| 15:57.28 | dvs | bye |
| 15:57.28 | dbw | so assuming you're all right and i'm wrong (which is probably true), how could i "downgrade" to stable? |
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| 15:57.41 | antgel | dbw: i don't know if you read the releases page on the web before you installed. it's not _that_ clear at the moment. |
| 15:57.48 | sanxiyn | Debian unstable+experimental+several bleeding-edge sources.list is FUN. (run away) |
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| 15:58.03 | antgel | dbw: it's not supported, will hose your system at worst |
| 15:58.39 | pentium451 | or run stable in a chroot |
| 15:58.50 | antgel | pentium451: bodge job! |
| 15:58.51 | dbw | i'm not running anything in a chroot.... |
| 15:58.52 | pentium451 | (just kidding) |
| 15:59.01 | dbw | thank you |
| 15:59.01 | antgel | pentium451: *grin* |
| 15:59.01 | dbw | :P |
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| 15:59.25 | zweideutig | Problem. The installer has halted. |
| 15:59.40 | dbw | okay, and what if i were to just change my sources.list to all "stable" rather than "testing".... would this break stuff? |
| 15:59.50 | antgel | dbw: the reason that we discourage you from running testing or unstable is that a lot of people come in here who are new to debian, have installed one of those two, and expect support. |
| 15:59.52 | zweideutig | On "Starting The Partitioner" it stopped at 50%. |
| 16:00.05 | dbw | antgel: i understand |
| 16:00.06 | zweideutig | It has not advanced in 20 minutes. |
| 16:00.09 | dvs | dbw: You can't go back to stable if you are using testing |
| 16:00.15 | zweideutig | Now what? |
| 16:00.19 | dbw | antgel: like when people would come in ##slackware asking about slapt-get *wince* |
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| 16:00.26 | antgel | dbw: no, but apt won't downgrade by default. if you have to try downgrading, /msg dpkg downgrade but really, you should reinstall |
| 16:00.42 | dbw | :-\ do you really really really think so? |
| 16:00.58 | embrik | dvs: did it, no music |
| 16:01.28 | dvs | embrik: Do you get any error message? |
| 16:01.33 | antgel | dbw: you _could_ try it. for the experience if nothing else. but it's messy (e.g. newer config files) |
| 16:02.01 | embrik | dvs: thought i could mount it and copy the files, but I can't mount the cd |
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| 16:02.13 | dvs | embrik: That won't work. |
| 16:02.17 | antgel | dbw: you do sound like you aren't clueless. install sarge until you're comfortable with debian, then if you really can't help yourself, upgrade. |
| 16:02.22 | dvs | embrik: Does it appear to be playing? |
| 16:02.26 | cahoot | embrik: so this is no audio cd - mp3's or what? |
| 16:02.32 | embrik | dvs: no error while trying to play in mediaplayer |
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| 16:02.42 | zweideutig | Why does the installer stop at 50% on starting the partitioner? |
| 16:02.48 | embrik | cahoot: it's an original audio cd |
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| 16:02.50 | cahoot | embrik: err - disregard |
| 16:02.54 | dvs | embrik: So the timer is going when you press play? |
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| 16:03.19 | eguzkia | hello someone can say to me why i cannot mount my pen drive usb? |
| 16:03.35 | pentium451 | zweideutig: how big is that drive? |
| 16:03.37 | kittenbot | embrik: Try ripping your CD, and playing back the rip -- as it could be that you're missing the cable that goes from your cd-drive to your sound card. |
| 16:03.38 | antgel | eguzkia: not until you tell us more than five words |
| 16:03.40 | embrik | dvs: timer doesn't go |
| 16:03.50 | eguzkia | ok |
| 16:03.51 | dbw | antgel: i have an even better idea... since i'm sitting in front of an (almost) working system, i'll stick with testing :) but i won't bother you begging for help... take it easy! |
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| 16:03.57 | dvs | embrik: What does "ls -l /dev/cdrom" say? |
| 16:04.06 | adz | Embrik, can you read the cd in a file browser? |
| 16:04.14 | adz | anyone know what is run to keep a memory of all your commands you typed in a shell after rebooting? |
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| 16:04.30 | eguzkia | antgel: i try to mount a new pen drive "CAPTIVA" 1G and when i try to mount i have an error |
| 16:04.39 | antgel | dvs: like i say, sounds like you know your stuff. good luck. nb if you really want the bleeding-edge, you should run unstable, not testing :P |
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| 16:05.14 | eguzkia | antgel: device not valid |
| 16:05.16 | dvs | antgel: Huh? Like it said, I'm lazy. I don't want to fix problems like unstable ;-) |
| 16:05.27 | zweideutig | pentium451: 20 GB |
| 16:05.29 | antgel | eguzkia: are we supposed to guess what command you typed? |
| 16:05.36 | vmx | i've installed a new ttf via "mkfontscale" "mkfontdir" in /usr/local/fonts/truetype. what do i need to restart to make them available for e.g. gimp or xfontsel? |
| 16:05.50 | embrik | I can't read the files on the cd, because I can't mount it, don't know the option to tell wich filesystem it's on the cd |
| 16:05.52 | sanxiyn | dvs: Well, testing can be slow to update. :-) Especially, if you use KDE, recent testing stall is quite annoying. |
| 16:06.00 | antgel | dvs: the thing is, in some cases, unstable may cause you less problems than testing |
| 16:06.12 | pentium451 | zweideutig: so, it's not that it's too big... can you manually partition? |
| 16:06.21 | zweideutig | I can. |
| 16:06.24 | sanxiyn | It all depends on how close the next release is :-) |
| 16:06.31 | dvs | sanxiyn: I can wait for any updates. |
| 16:06.32 | Beik | adz: when bash exits it writes the history to ~/.bash_history |
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| 16:06.56 | embrik | dvs: it seems that root and only root have acess to dev/cdrom |
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| 16:07.02 | zweideutig | The machine it's in is a dual Pentium 90 MHz Digital Celebris. |
| 16:07.05 | sanxiyn | GOT overflow horror (shudder) |
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| 16:07.20 | antgel | embrik: install udev |
| 16:07.27 | dvs | embrik: Oh yeah. You have to add yourself to the "cdrom" group too. |
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| 16:07.34 | Eddie | What is the command to view all hard disks on the system? |
| 16:07.37 | dvs | embrik: Sorry about that. |
| 16:07.45 | embrik | antgel: am aI supposed to write tha in the consoll? |
| 16:07.49 | eguzkia | antgel: mount /dev/sda1 |
| 16:07.54 | zweideutig | embrik: df -h for partitions |
| 16:07.55 | Beik | embrik: adduser $username cdrom |
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| 16:08.05 | zweideutig | Eddie: df -h for partitions |
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| 16:08.14 | thingfish | fdisk -l is good too |
| 16:08.25 | antgel | eguzkia: and are we supposed to guess the partitions on the device? |
| 16:08.40 | antgel | embrik: no you are not |
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| 16:09.12 | eguzkia | antgel: is a pendrive |
| 16:09.18 | embrik | I'm trying to find out what suggestions to use. One of you: what should I do to mount the cdrom? |
| 16:09.20 | eguzkia | antgel: 1 gb |
| 16:09.29 | eguzkia | antgel: i think vfat |
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| 16:09.38 | kittenbot | embrik: It's a music cd. You don't mount those. |
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| 16:09.42 | Eddie | i have 2 sata drives and 1 ide drive in my system, but debian has only picked up my ide drive. How do i go about mounting the sata drives? |
| 16:09.42 | antgel | eguzkia: so what? why are you typing /dev/sda1? how do you know it's sda1? |
| 16:09.47 | dvs | embrik: If you want to play a music CD, you don't mount it |
| 16:10.01 | zweideutig | embrik: Haha! |
| 16:10.05 | antgel | Eddie: dmesg |grep hd or dmesg |grep sd |
| 16:10.10 | eguzkia | antgel: yes i see the pen drive but i cannot mount it! |
| 16:10.15 | jcasano | hi, it is posible to install informix rpm in debian? has any one try it? |
| 16:10.24 | antgel | eguzkia: what do you mean you see it? |
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| 16:10.31 | antgel | jcasano: man alien |
| 16:10.50 | germangardener10 | ok guys i apt-geted gnome and i don't know how to cahnge my kdm to allow me to go into my new gnome? |
| 16:10.55 | karl | How can I automate user creation? I need to set passwords. With this echo "xxx\nxxx" |smbldap-passwd user no luck |
| 16:11.01 | embrik | I think maybe there are some errors conserning the cdrom - if I can mount it and browse it, the cdrom is ok |
| 16:11.14 | dli | germangardener10, select "sessions" in the login window |
| 16:11.22 | sanxiyn | germangardener10: You should be able to select GNOME from kdm. |
| 16:11.26 | dvs | embrik: How do you mount it? |
| 16:11.45 | eguzkia | antgel: i see on the desktop the device but when i try to mount i see the error "not vali block device" |
| 16:11.46 | embrik | I try to mount it like this mount -a /dev/hdc |
| 16:11.55 | thingfish | embrik: have you tried other CD's? |
| 16:12.07 | pentium451 | embrik: if it is audio, there is no file system... try cdparanoia |
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| 16:12.10 | dvs | embrik: Does /dev/cdrom point to /dev/hdc? Do ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 16:12.18 | antgel | eguzkia: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 16:12.36 | antgel | !saturday |
| 16:12.36 | dpkg | methinks saturday is Tardsday Eve |
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| 16:13.47 | zweideutig | embrik: Please stop trolling. |
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| 16:13.58 | germangardener10 | ok here is whaere it gets more troublesome, i'm using xandros --- im an idiot i know but my ubuntu disk havent't come tin the mail yet |
| 16:13.59 | embrik | dvs: I'm quite sure, becaus when I try to make a new cd-rom on the desktop, I have to choose /dev/hdc |
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| 16:14.06 | zweideutig | embrik: Pretending that CDA is a file system is an old troll. |
| 16:14.15 | eguzkia | antgel: i have done it |
| 16:14.16 | antgel | !tell germangardener10 about based on debian |
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| 16:14.33 | dvs | embrik: You shouldn't have to choose "/dev/hdc" You should choose /dev/cdrom |
| 16:14.41 | eguzkia | antgel: but the same |
| 16:14.43 | antgel | eguzkia: ffs. would you like to share it with us? you seem to expect us to have psychic abilities |
| 16:14.48 | dvs | embrik: Must CD audio programs are expecting /dev/cdrom |
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| 16:15.04 | embrik | dvs: haven't got that option |
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| 16:15.34 | eguzkia | antgel: :) |
| 16:15.56 | dvs | embrik: You have to make sure that 1) you have a /dev/cdrom entry and 2) it points to /dev/hdc |
| 16:16.15 | antgel | dvs: he's trolling |
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| 16:16.47 | eguzkia | antgel: mount: dev/sda1/ is not a valid block device |
| 16:17.01 | eguzkia | antgel: i hope to be clear |
| 16:17.11 | dvs | antgel: Really? Then I should stop typing to him? |
| 16:17.16 | yang26 | What is a substitute divx player for debian? |
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| 16:17.38 | dli | yang26, totem, xine-ui, mplayer |
| 16:17.50 | antgel | eguzkia: you aren't. i asked you to share the output of fdisk -l /dev/sda with us. you appeat to be ignoring that. i have to assume that you are a troll as well |
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| 16:18.03 | embrik | lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 11 8 okt 2005 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/cdrom |
| 16:18.03 | embrik | 0 |
| 16:18.03 | antgel | dvs: up to you but i suspect you will never get anywhere :) |
| 16:18.06 | sanxiyn | OpenSSL 0.9.8 uploaded and needs rebuilds? What a crap. |
| 16:18.08 | tomeklu | hi all |
| 16:18.14 | tomeklu | i ve got a problem |
| 16:18.22 | antgel | sanxiyn: i thought unstable was FUN ;) |
| 16:18.29 | tomeklu | i can't mount the creative muvo at my debian system :( |
| 16:18.29 | microsys | hm, looks like having trouble with usb-sticks again |
| 16:18.31 | eguzkia | antgel: :) |
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| 16:18.50 | zweideutig | Stump the tech support trolls are so banal. |
| 16:18.50 | sanxiyn | antgel: I think release team explicitly asked to refrain from starting yet another transition... |
| 16:19.03 | embrik | dvs: sorry, the line in my last message was the output after typing ls -l dev/cdrom |
| 16:19.03 | eguzkia | antgel: ura@2[~]$ fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 16:19.04 | eguzkia | Disk /dev/sda: 1048 MB, 1048574976 bytes |
| 16:19.04 | eguzkia | 33 heads, 61 sectors/track, 1017 cylinders |
| 16:19.04 | eguzkia | Units = cilindri of 2013 * 512 = 1030656 bytes |
| 16:19.04 | eguzkia | This doesn't look like a partition table |
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| 16:19.21 | antgel | i suppose that was kind of predictable |
| 16:19.24 | dvs | embrik: That definately won't work. It should look like "/dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdc" |
| 16:19.26 | microsys | hihi |
| 16:19.28 | microsys | i thought so too |
| 16:19.46 | microsys | fresh buyed, unformatted |
| 16:20.11 | embrik | dvs: have you got any suggestions? |
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| 16:20.28 | tomeklu | could anyone help me? |
| 16:20.31 | sanxiyn | And for some reason OpenSSL is not symbol-versioned and it won't be... |
| 16:20.37 | dvs | embrik: "rm /dev/cdrom; ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom" |
| 16:20.37 | antgel | embrik: i have one. your system is broken. perhaps you should find another hobby |
| 16:20.39 | eguzkia | antgel: hello |
| 16:20.45 | antgel | eguzkia: /topic :) |
| 16:20.49 | eguzkia | antgel: have you seen the massage? |
| 16:20.53 | embrik | I've installed a cd-burner into a Compaq Evo-box. Do you think that's a problem? |
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| 16:21.18 | antgel | eguzkia: we saw enough. looks like there's no partition table on it. you could create a partition and filesystem. |
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| 16:21.44 | microsys | but use vfat if you want to be able to read this within a win-machine |
| 16:21.56 | embrik | 'antgel: did you find yourself another hobby when your system was broken? |
| 16:22.00 | dvs | embrik: No, your system is just not setup properly. |
| 16:22.00 | eguzkia | antgel: how can i do? |
| 16:22.08 | microsys | yes, he found debian |
| 16:22.10 | microsys | hihi |
| 16:22.13 | antgel | embrik: my system works. it's not my hobby. |
| 16:22.14 | zweideutig | embrik: Find another hobby. May I suggest knitting? |
| 16:22.39 | dvs | zweideutig: No way! Pointy sharp objects! Are you insane? |
| 16:22.45 | embrik | funny |
| 16:22.48 | eguzkia | antgel: how can i create a partition table? |
| 16:22.53 | antgel | embrik: if you have /dev/cdrom linked to itself, you have either fucked up your system, or... fucked up your system. |
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| 16:22.56 | zweideutig | Haha, but without a knitting needle. |
| 16:23.10 | microsys | eguzkia: fdisk /dev/sda |
| 16:23.18 | antgel | eguzkia: man fdisk |
| 16:23.37 | microsys | we may should give him cfdisk, would make this bit easier |
| 16:23.39 | microsys | ;P |
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| 16:23.59 | kittenbot | Bah! We don't need partitions on usb pendrives :) |
| 16:24.36 | tarzeau | microsys: cfdisk don't exist on all archs |
| 16:24.38 | dvs | kittenbot: But there are! |
| 16:24.41 | zweideutig | eguzkia: Go read some docs. |
| 16:24.52 | tomeklu | ya smart guys.... and what about panndrive (muvo) ? |
| 16:24.53 | tarzeau | hi antgel |
| 16:24.57 | tomeklu | pendrive |
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| 16:25.03 | antgel | tarzeau: hey, how's it going? |
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| 16:25.16 | tarzeau | antgel: very good :) |
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| 16:25.43 | antgel | tarzeau: anything specifically good, or just generally? |
| 16:25.50 | embrik | dvs: done it |
| 16:25.57 | tarzeau | antgel: i almost got all i wanted, except one thing, but i can live with that, that's fine |
| 16:26.03 | tarzeau | antgel: thanks, what about yourself? |
| 16:26.06 | dvs | embrik: Does it play now? |
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| 16:26.50 | antgel | tarzeau: i'm intrigued but won't be nosey. i'm good considering i'm in the office. weekends are good for those more chilled activities e.g. writing white papers |
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| 16:27.11 | tarzeau | antgel: oh don't remind me of work... i've got so plenty of it |
| 16:27.14 | xanax` | hi |
| 16:27.33 | xanax` | has anyone ever found the .deb file of kopete 0.10 ? |
| 16:27.39 | embrik | dvs:no |
| 16:27.51 | antgel | tarzeau: in recent months, business has taken off here. it's like a substitute girlfriend. :) |
| 16:27.57 | zweideutig | xanax`: What machine architecture? |
| 16:27.58 | antgel | hmm, i think i mean :/ |
| 16:28.05 | antgel | or :| |
| 16:28.11 | embrik | dvs: I would like to try to browse the cd, just to find out if the cdrom works |
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| 16:28.27 | dvs | embrik: Go ahead |
| 16:28.31 | ke6isf | xanax`: Nope, nobody uses it, even those who do use it. |
| 16:28.42 | pentium451 | embrik: dd if=/dev/cdrom | od | head |
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| 16:28.46 | cahoot | embrik: konqueror should be able to |
| 16:28.47 | dvs | embrik: But it won't work for an audo CD |
| 16:28.55 | xanax` | zweideutig : i386 |
| 16:29.09 | zweideutig | xanax`: Shouldn't be hard to find. |
| 16:29.17 | sanxiyn | !info kopete |
| 16:29.20 | dpkg | kopete: (instant messenger for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4266 kB, Installed size: 14268 kB |
| 16:29.23 | zweideutig | My gripe is finding packages for Debian PPC. |
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| 16:29.45 | dvs | zweideutig: Chuck the Apple out! ;-) |
| 16:29.47 | embrik | dvs: I get this message: special device /dev/hdc deos not exist |
| 16:29.54 | zweideutig | dvs: Shut the hell up. |
| 16:30.06 | dvs | :-P |
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| 16:30.15 | slocate | i'm sorry, what;s the command to start mysqld?? |
| 16:30.33 | zweideutig | dvs: I use i386 as well, but your banal apple bashing really causes me to become irate! |
| 16:30.35 | sanxiyn | slocate: /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 16:30.44 | antgel | dvs: no good. apple owners think it's a "lifestyle". they don't realise they are giving money to just another large company :-P |
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| 16:31.10 | slocate | sanxiyn tried that, getting "ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)" |
| 16:31.22 | Rumko | em ... ppl, im using -testing and installed python and tetex-bin ... but ... which package do i have to install so that python can use latex? (in python that "import latex" works) |
| 16:31.30 | slocate | haven't used mysql in aa wile |
| 16:31.36 | zweideutig | antgel: Go to hell. I am happy running Debian on my Mac Mini. I wouldn't buy a stupid iPod, but the Mac Mini is a nice machine, better than a Pegasys machine with the same CPU. |
| 16:31.38 | slocate | in a while... |
| 16:31.39 | valdyn | !find latex.py |
| 16:31.41 | Rumko | slocate: tail /var/log/debug.log i think |
| 16:31.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'latex.py' (5 of 8): (/usr/share/songwrite/latex.py) in sound/songwrite ;; (/usr/lib/gaby/plug-ins/print/latex.py) in gnome/gaby ;; (/usr/share/fet/results/fetxml2latex.py) in utils/fet ;; (/usr/lib/site-python/epydoc/latex.py) in python/python-epydoc ;; (/usr/lib/scons/SCons/Tool/{latex.py|pdflatex.py}) in devel/scons. |
| 16:31.48 | antgel | slocate: all daemons are started with /etc/init.d/whatever start. |
| 16:31.55 | cahoot | slocate: check the logs for the reason mysqld doesn't start |
| 16:31.56 | slocate | i know that |
| 16:32.18 | Rumko | slocate: the more useful error msg should be there |
| 16:32.23 | zweideutig | Apple bashing on the grounds of price is redundant. |
| 16:32.44 | sanxiyn | Rumko: Well, you just write out TeX and lanuch latex process. |
| 16:32.45 | cahoot | zweideutig: and cheap |
| 16:32.50 | antgel | zweideutig: don't you think it's a bit extreme to tell people to shut the hell up and go to hell because they make light-hearted remarks about your choice of hardware? viz. you can slate my amd64 all you like and i probably won't react |
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| 16:32.58 | liran_ | is anybody good with cryptography, i have a general question related to encryption and decryping of files... |
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| 16:33.16 | slocate | getting "ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)" |
| 16:33.21 | zweideutig | antgel: I didn't take the remarks with a light heart. |
| 16:33.22 | sanxiyn | Rumko: PyX does integrate with TeX. http://pyx.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:33.33 | Rumko | sanxiyn: im trying to use a latex parser and macro in a wiki (moinmoin) ... which it seems uses the bindings for latex in python it seems ... :) |
| 16:33.37 | Rumko | pyx? |
| 16:33.37 | embrik | dvs: I think there are several problems with my system. I'm quite unexperienced, therefore I will instll debain once more. I use skolelinux stable |
| 16:33.42 | Rumko | ok ill check it :) |
| 16:33.43 | sanxiyn | Rumko: Eh? |
| 16:33.44 | pentium451 | liran_: what's up? |
| 16:33.45 | cahoot | slocate: no mention of old_password ? |
| 16:33.49 | valdyn | Rumko: did you read what dpkg said ? |
| 16:33.51 | sanxiyn | Rumko: No, if so, check MoinMoin documentation. |
| 16:33.53 | antgel | zweideutig: don't you think you should? it's just a bit of computer hardware, it's not a lifestyle... oh. i see. forget it |
| 16:34.01 | zweideutig | antgel: And I won't slate your amd64 because hardware bashing is usually meaningless. |
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| 16:34.11 | sanxiyn | Rumko: MoinMoin doc should have information regarding how to setup latex parser for MoinMoin. |
| 16:34.14 | dvs | embrik: Ok |
| 16:34.14 | Rumko | valdyn: yes ... i shall not install gnome/gaby :) |
| 16:34.21 | antgel | zweideutig: your call :) |
| 16:34.28 | thecoolestcow | hey, in /etc/fstab, what parameters must i enter for my USB removable mass storage device |
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| 16:34.39 | embrik | I used limewire before i converted to debian. Are there any similar programmes for debian? |
| 16:34.47 | Rumko | sanxiyn: it has ... it also says that "apt-get install tetex-bin dvipng" should be enough to get started ... which wasnt |
| 16:34.47 | DaMarco | hi everyone, is there anyone who could help me resolve an issue of gnome-panel loading twice on debian? |
| 16:34.50 | liran_ | hey pentium451, all good. and you? |
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| 16:34.52 | zweideutig | antgel: It is not a life style, it is a platform. Bashing my decisions is rude. I dislike rudeness. |
| 16:34.53 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 16:34.57 | sanxiyn | Rumko: Hm, strange. |
| 16:35.04 | dvs | antgel: Gee. It is a lifestyle. |
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| 16:35.11 | amorphix | does anyone know if KSpread (.ksp) files can be opened by Microsoft Excel? |
| 16:35.11 | DaMarco | How would one fix that? |
| 16:35.17 | zweideutig | embrik: Paying for your items is the legal one. |
| 16:35.24 | sanxiyn | Rumko: Are you familiar with installing MoinMoin parser plugins? |
| 16:35.26 | valdyn | amorphix: ehe, cna |
| 16:35.29 | valdyn | amorphix: ehe, cant |
| 16:35.33 | amorphix | oh :-( |
| 16:35.34 | cahoot | zweideutig: telling people to shut up doesn't qualify as rudeness in your book? |
| 16:35.43 | antgel | zweideutig: not as much as you dislike humour, apparently. |
| 16:35.52 | Rumko | sanxiyn: you just need to put em in WikiPath/plugins/parser/ |
| 16:35.53 | sanxiyn | Rumko: I think it's just misinstalled... |
| 16:35.58 | sanxiyn | Rumko: IIRC, yes. |
| 16:36.06 | amorphix | valdyn: is it possible to save/export from KSP to Excel format? I have tried a few attempts but the files dont open again in KSP |
| 16:36.07 | Rumko | and i did check the parsers documentation ... which said i need latex and dvipng |
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| 16:36.12 | antgel | dvs: *nod* they queue outside the stores when the latest mass-produced plastic electronic goods are released |
| 16:36.26 | sanxiyn | Rumko: How does it "not work"? |
| 16:36.27 | zweideutig | cahoot: Be rude to me, and I'll return the favour. |
| 16:36.32 | dvs | antgel: Oh? Like Harry Potter books? |
| 16:36.42 | valdyn | amorphix: dont ask me, i know nothing about kspread. |
| 16:36.45 | liran_ | pentium451, you doing cryptography? |
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| 16:36.49 | ke6isf | amorphix: Try using openoffice instead. While you can't open an sxc in excel, you can open xls with no problems in OOo. |
| 16:36.51 | amorphix | ok sorry |
| 16:37.05 | pentium451 | liran_: a while back |
| 16:37.07 | Rumko | sanxiyn: "ImportErrorCannot load macro latex" |
| 16:37.12 | amorphix | aha |
| 16:37.15 | Rumko | hm |
| 16:37.17 | amorphix | i will try openoffice |
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| 16:37.22 | antgel | dvs: *nod* but for richer people |
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| 16:37.28 | DaMarco | can someone help me with a problem on debian loading gnome-panel twice at login ..? |
| 16:37.30 | thecoolestcow | hey, what do i enter into /etc/fstab for my usb storage device |
| 16:37.37 | sanxiyn | Rumko: Are you referring to http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/Projects/new-moinmoin-latex ? |
| 16:37.39 | ke6isf | !tell DaMarco -about repeat |
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| 16:37.42 | zweideutig | Elfish fools. |
| 16:37.44 | Rumko | sanxiyn: yes :) |
| 16:37.48 | valdyn | !tell thecoolestcow -about usb-storage |
| 16:38.01 | sanxiyn | Rumko: You installed both parser and macro? |
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| 16:38.17 | liran_ | pentium451: well its a general question. say i have a text file which is encrypted somehow (not regular DES or whatever encryption method) and i want to crack it. how would i go about it? without having the decryption algorithm. is this possible at all? |
| 16:38.17 | sanxiyn | (parser plugin and macro plugin is separate.) |
| 16:38.22 | Rumko | sanxiyn: yes |
| 16:38.28 | Rumko | i know they are :) |
| 16:38.32 | Rumko | hm |
| 16:38.48 | zweideutig | antgel: Welcome to my ignore list, mismannered person. |
| 16:38.52 | slocate | cahoot syslog tells me: Oct 8 12:25:03 sarge mysqld[8587]: 051008 12:25:03 /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown variable 'old_passwords=1' |
| 16:39.03 | Rumko | omg ... no no no ... ... lemme guess ... permission problem :/ (only noticed right now that the files have permission set to readable only by root ARGH) |
| 16:39.03 | amorphix | ke6isf: if I save my .ksp file in OpenOffice format I can no longer open the file in KSP is that normal? |
| 16:39.04 | sanxiyn | Rumko: Strange. It should work then. |
| 16:39.20 | valdyn | liran_: your question is to vague to be answered reasonably. Theoretically every encryption can be broken, provided you have eitehr unlimited time or unlimited computing power |
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| 16:39.33 | ke6isf | amorphix: Not sure. I eschew kspread for openoffice myself. |
| 16:39.42 | antgel | zweideutig: good to be there |
| 16:39.52 | amorphix | i hate this |
| 16:39.53 | amorphix | :-( |
| 16:39.55 | liran_ | valdyn: right. though i dont have any :p |
| 16:39.58 | Rumko | hehe ... getting somewhere "SyntaxErrorEOL while scanning single-quoted string (latex.py, line 54)" |
| 16:40.22 | pentium451 | liran_: no, you need the algorithm... debugging a program that CAN read it is usually the only way. |
| 16:40.23 | antgel | slocate: take the old_passwords line out of your config file. next time check the bts please |
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| 16:40.44 | ke6isf | amorphix: I would suggest saving the file in kspread format, saving a copy in o3 format, and attempting to open the new one in kspread. Alternatively, see if o3 will save to kspread format. |
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| 16:40.59 | liran_ | valdyn: i dont know how it was encrypted but even if i have 100 different files of the same encryption, that doesnt' help? |
| 16:41.06 | kles__ | hello |
| 16:41.20 | slocate | antgel which config file, i haven't messed with mysql in a while :( |
| 16:41.24 | Rumko | oh my god ... im gonna kill lynx ... it seems that when i saved a file in lynx ... if a line was wider than the console, it put whatever was left in the line into a new line! |
| 16:41.38 | amorphix | ke6isf: I'm just worried the recipient I'm sending the file to wont be able to read it in Excel |
| 16:41.50 | pentium451 | liran_: do you have the same text encrypted several different ways? |
| 16:41.53 | valdyn | liran_: you want to study maths, specialise in cryptology, then come back ;) |
| 16:41.56 | amorphix | I guess I will find out soon enough eh |
| 16:42.05 | KLessou | How to get emule with a debian Sarge? |
| 16:42.07 | cahoot | slocate: don't take it out - just comment it out |
| 16:42.08 | KLessou | stablz |
| 16:42.08 | ke6isf | amorphix: I've had very few problems cross-porting between excel and o3, and I understand those are non-issues. |
| 16:42.13 | KLessou | stable |
| 16:42.18 | dvs | !info emule sarge |
| 16:42.19 | abrotman | !find mule sarge |
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| 16:42.21 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'mule' (11): bitmap-mule ;; mule-ucs ;; xemacs21-gnome-mule ;; xemacs21-gnome-mule-canna-wnn ;; xemacs21-gnome-nomule ;; xemacs21-mule ;; xemacs21-mule-canna-wnn ;; xemacs21-mulesupport ;; xemacs21-mulesupport-el ;; xemacs21-nomule ;; xfonts-bitmap-mule. |
| 16:42.21 | liran_ | lol valdyn, its interesting but not THAT interesting :) |
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| 16:42.30 | antgel | slocate: why not grep for the line? |
| 16:42.32 | abrotman | dvs: i win! |
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| 16:42.36 | dvs | damn! |
| 16:42.40 | Vixenos | hi =] |
| 16:42.48 | liran_ | pentium451: not several different ways. i have several different text files encrypted with the same algo, does that help? |
| 16:42.51 | slocate | antgel yeah but where is the file |
| 16:42.53 | abrotman | dvs: though .. i don't think that's what he wants :) |
| 16:43.06 | abrotman | !mule |
| 16:43.06 | dpkg | mule is probably Multilingual Enhanchement, for emacs |
| 16:43.08 | cahoot | slocate: /etc/ysql/my.cnf |
| 16:43.10 | valdyn | liran_: having alot of encrypted text isnt that useful, but anything you know about the contents of those texts can be |
| 16:43.12 | cahoot | slocate: /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 16:43.18 | slocate | k |
| 16:43.27 | abrotman | !amule |
| 16:43.28 | dpkg | from memory, amule is Another eMule P2P client. It is another fork of the xMule project. It connects to the eDonkey2000 network and can be found at http://amule.sourceforge.net/index.php?downloads |
| 16:43.29 | antgel | abrotman: hi |
| 16:43.37 | abrotman | antgel: how's the weather today? |
| 16:43.40 | sanxiyn | !emule |
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| 16:43.47 | cahoot | slocate: a bit ironic considering your nick |
| 16:43.47 | antgel | abrotman: don't ask. :( |
| 16:43.51 | pentium451 | liran_: that helps, but not enough to do the job |
| 16:43.54 | abrotman | antgel: my office is probably underwater! |
| 16:44.04 | liran_ | pentium451: i see. so there's no really any way to go at it... |
| 16:44.06 | antgel | abrotman: where is it? |
| 16:44.13 | abrotman | antgel: underwater |
| 16:44.18 | sanxiyn | Oh, crossing eDonkey with eHorse... |
| 16:44.20 | antgel | abrotman: why? |
| 16:44.22 | KLessou | I've to add a source for apt? |
| 16:44.28 | abrotman | antgel: been raining .. for 24 hours or more |
| 16:44.33 | antgel | abrotman: jesus |
| 16:44.35 | pentium451 | liran_: do you have *any* guess as to how it was encoded? |
| 16:44.38 | abrotman | antgel: and not lightly |
| 16:44.39 | dvs | abrotman: in PA? |
| 16:44.47 | ke6isf | KLessou: Go to the url and follow instructions. You might have to *gasp!* compile. |
| 16:45.00 | abrotman | dvs: yep .. philly area |
| 16:45.00 | KLessou | thanls |
| 16:45.01 | liran_ | pentium451: yeah, i can get the "parameters" which it was used to be encoded... |
| 16:45.03 | antgel | abrotman: it's time for my yearly wish to leave england for sunnier and friendlier climes |
| 16:45.05 | abrotman | actually .. harrisburg and easy |
| 16:45.06 | abrotman | east |
| 16:45.15 | abrotman | antgel: funny .. i htink the same thing :) |
| 16:45.19 | christor | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.29 | christor | and I can t see my network on my windows pc |
| 16:45.38 | liran_ | pentium451: like say it used an ip address to encrypt it |
| 16:45.38 | pentium451 | liran_: how did you get those parameters? |
| 16:45.43 | christor | is someone can help me to cnfigure the wifi network on the windows? |
| 16:45.48 | xelam | antgel: just you wait for the snow |
| 16:45.51 | liran_ | pentium451: i know it for a fact, dont worry :p |
| 16:46.00 | xelam | christor: erm this is a debian channel, not windows! |
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| 16:46.14 | antgel | xelam: nah, we don't get snow. not that lucky. best is a sort of smelly grey slush |
| 16:46.14 | valdyn | christor: windows "network neigbourhood" doesnt show network, it shows smb shares, so if you dont run samba, you cant see that host |
| 16:46.29 | xelam | much snow in march this year :( |
| 16:46.32 | abrotman | antgel: http://www.weather.com/maps/activity/garden/index_large.html .. i'm the yellow area :) |
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| 16:46.43 | KLessou | Do you if I can manage emule in another computer? |
| 16:46.49 | christor | xelam: yes but I think the prob in on debian |
| 16:47.01 | xelam | is this an ad-hoc wireless network? |
| 16:47.01 | christor | xelam: my conf opn debian should be broken :s |
| 16:47.05 | beardy | !unz |
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| 16:47.11 | xelam | or do you have an access point? |
| 16:47.11 | christor | xelam: I dunno |
| 16:47.13 | antgel | abrotman: what you mean is you are one of the selected few :P |
| 16:47.16 | pentium451 | liran_: if there is any program involved... your best bet is some cracker website and see about reverse engineering |
| 16:47.18 | beardy | sorry, wrong window, hehe |
| 16:47.19 | christor | xelam: managed |
| 16:47.22 | valdyn | KLessou: you can admin xmule remotely, via web interface for example |
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| 16:47.28 | abrotman | antgel: well .. i mean .. the yellow area in PA is my area |
| 16:47.32 | christor | no I have no access point |
| 16:47.36 | xelam | right |
| 16:47.37 | Petro | I've set up a DNS server on my workstation however I don't know how to add this DNS server to my TCP/IP settings (I use Mac OS X on the other comps so it's real easy ;) ) |
| 16:47.40 | antgel | beardy: lucky you weren't typing "oh yeah baby i'm doing it now" |
| 16:47.53 | beardy | antgel: :) |
| 16:48.01 | christor | xelam: auto wlan0 |
| 16:48.05 | abrotman | Petro: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 16:48.17 | beardy | antgel: unlikely event.. |
| 16:48.18 | thecoolestcow | stupid question, cant find it on google: how can i access a windows shared drive? |
| 16:48.29 | christor | xelam: iface wlan0 inet static; wireless-mode Managed; wireless-essid rosen37, |
| 16:48.29 | christor | arf |
| 16:48.32 | xelam | thecoolestcow: smbclient, or smbfs |
| 16:48.35 | liran_ | well thanks guys |
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| 16:48.46 | abrotman | did anyone happen to see a possible defacement of fedora.redhat.com this AM? |
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| 16:49.14 | abrotman | antgel: more losers using knoppix+BT ? :) |
| 16:49.19 | dspstv_ | need some help for understanding this: http://pastebin.com/387222 thankxx |
| 16:49.30 | abrotman | thanks ? |
| 16:49.37 | Petro | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 16:49.51 | dspstv_ | plis! |
| 16:49.53 | abrotman | dspstv: did you compile your kernel and module with the same compiler? |
| 16:50.09 | antgel | abrotman: yeah. we use knoppix here in the office. it's the flashest rescue disk ever. :) |
| 16:50.38 | abrotman | antgel: ultimate ? |
| 16:50.47 | dspstv_ | abrotman yes, same compiler...but i get some gcc errors i dont understnd why.. |
| 16:50.59 | dspstv_ | i havent updated gcc |
| 16:51.13 | abrotman | dspstv: what you're showing is usually caused by mismatched compilers .. or not running depmod -a |
| 16:51.35 | antgel | abrotman: it's the ultimate sledgehammer to crack a walnut. i also want to try it on my computer-illiterate parents' computer as a sort of crap usability study |
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| 16:51.51 | abrotman | antgel: ubCD! |
| 16:51.55 | zweideutig | Why Knoppix when all you need is to boot to a shell? |
| 16:52.07 | abrotman | antgel: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ |
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| 16:52.15 | dspstv_ | oke depmod -a i will try that, do i have to reboot to insmod the module or is possible to install it after the depmod |
| 16:52.24 | ke6isf | zweideutig: Like he said, it's the ultimate sledgehammer to crack a walnut. =^^= |
| 16:52.25 | abrotman | !insmod |
| 16:52.25 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 16:52.31 | pentium451 | antgel: my ludite folks were comforted when I told them it was read-only... they CANT hurt the system |
| 16:53.06 | dspstv_ | ) |
| 16:53.17 | abrotman | antgel: the disc i miss is the uhm .. linuxcare disk |
| 16:53.20 | abrotman | disc |
| 16:53.36 | beardy | abrotman: is it good? |
| 16:53.49 | abrotman | beardy: which? the linuxcare one? |
| 16:53.53 | beardy | abrotman: the url you gave antgel? |
| 16:54.06 | dspstv_ | abrotman i get the same error, do i have to run depmod -a in a special place/dir? |
| 16:54.18 | abrotman | beardy: it's good .. a bunch of tools .. and i think has some linux(small) distro on there |
| 16:54.22 | antgel | abrotman: no, ubcd is too useful. i like the garish desktop and coloured boot of knoppix in order for me to open an xterm (sorry, konsole), and type chroot whatever |
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| 16:54.29 | abrotman | dspstv_: are oyu still running insmod ? |
| 16:54.30 | antgel | ;) |
| 16:54.31 | Apollyon | Sorry, but what is a 'computer-illiterate'? Is it the computer which only runs Windows(XP)? |
| 16:54.36 | us | WTF! Ok so I'm happily tring to live with "testing" utilizing apt-list-bugs and first I need totem from "unstable" so I take the risk (not knowing the many multiples of possible ramifications) and all goes well or so it tests. Now I notice I'm running an old known to be insecure Firefox so and try gettting the newer(est) one for "unstable sid". I get MAJOR bug warnings - Segfaults at startup, when closing tab with ctrl-w and at |
| 16:54.36 | us | history window, |
| 16:54.37 | us | The images are no longer displayed, Buffer overflow, BadDrawable error when trying to launch, does not start up. |
| 16:54.37 | dspstv_ | modprobe |
| 16:54.49 | abrotman | antgel: bum |
| 16:54.49 | beardy | abrotman: I'll check it out then. Have you tried SystemRescueCD? |
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| 16:55.02 | abrotman | beardy: i think the systemrescue is based off the linuxcare .. let me see if i can find it |
| 16:55.07 | valdyn | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 16:55.08 | beardy | abrotman: http://sysresccd.org |
| 16:55.09 | antgel | !start a rescuecd war |
| 16:55.14 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
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| 16:55.24 | antgel | us: you've hosed your system |
| 16:55.44 | abrotman | beardy: http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/lbt/ .. is what it used to look like .. it .. was fantastic |
| 16:55.48 | abrotman | dunno if it still is |
| 16:55.51 | us | So, what do I do? Accept a Firefox full of holes or load a bug ridden Sid one? What does one do here? |
| 16:56.11 | antgel | us: install debian stable |
| 16:56.11 | abrotman | which one is full of holes? |
| 16:56.18 | abrotman | god .. my lag is horrible |
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| 16:56.35 | valdyn | us: backport sids firefox |
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| 16:56.39 | beardy | abrotman: it's based on gentoo *shrug* I think, but it's really nice anyway, and has some other tools on it aswell, like a freedos floppy, memtest, and others. |
| 16:56.50 | abrotman | beardy: which is based on gentoo ? |
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| 16:56.55 | fredl_ | hmm anything broken with the most recent X11? |
| 16:56.56 | ebw | Hello everybody, where can I get help with debian linux for powerpc? |
| 16:57.00 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 16:57.00 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 16:57.05 | ebw | !ppc |
| 16:57.12 | abrotman | !tell ebw about ppc |
| 16:57.19 | chea1 | fredl_: which release? |
| 16:57.24 | dvs | Oh. Another one. yuck |
| 16:57.24 | fredl_ | unstable |
| 16:57.29 | ebw | Thanks! |
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| 16:57.36 | us | I here Firefox is a special case and one might think about getting it from out side the pool. Is this the way? |
| 16:57.38 | newbiee | Hi, I get a Intel XEON system, nned I the IA64 netinst cd image ? |
| 16:57.46 | fredl_ | I type X and absolutely nothing happens.... |
| 16:57.49 | chea1 | fredl_: uh...of course something is broken. check the BTS |
| 16:57.50 | sanxiyn | us: Yes. |
| 16:57.55 | abrotman | newbiee: no |
| 16:57.57 | fredl_ | BTS? |
| 16:57.58 | valdyn | us: sids firefox is actually nearly identical to sarge's firefox |
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| 16:58.09 | sanxiyn | newbiee: Absolutely not. |
| 16:58.09 | antgel | us: nah. |
| 16:58.09 | abrotman | valdyn: just a version bump afaik |
| 16:58.14 | chea1 | !btssmite fredl_ |
| 16:58.15 | newbiee | then ? |
| 16:58.18 | stjepan | hello |
| 16:58.23 | abrotman | newbiee: normal i386 |
| 16:58.23 | valdyn | abrotman: exactly |
| 16:58.25 | abrotman | !d-i newbiee |
| 16:58.26 | dpkg | newbiee, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:58.27 | sanxiyn | !amd64 |
| 16:58.27 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 16:58.40 | sanxiyn | amd64 is a generic name, which includes Xeon etc. |
| 16:58.42 | abrotman | sanxiyn: he didn't say it was a 64bit xeon |
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| 16:58.48 | sanxiyn | Ah, indeed. |
| 16:58.53 | abrotman | newbiee: how fast is the CPU ? |
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| 16:59.01 | antgel | abrotman: ubcd has _far_ too many hard disk tools. samsung, wd, etc. everyone knows one only needs a maxtor tool :) |
| 16:59.02 | stjepan | with what programming tools does Debian 3.1 Sarge come? |
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| 16:59.08 | beardy | us: The one in stable has been updated through security updates, hasn't it? |
| 16:59.10 | dvs | stjepan: Lots |
| 16:59.11 | sanxiyn | stjepan: Many. |
| 16:59.15 | antgel | stjepan: http://packages.debian.org |
| 16:59.18 | fredl_ | chea1 - chea1 - can't really go to bugs.debian.org if my X isn't running at all huh |
| 16:59.18 | abrotman | antgel: only HDD tool i need is DBAN |
| 16:59.19 | newbiee | abrotman: two processors 2.4 ghz ?? |
| 16:59.20 | chea1 | stjepan: many lots |
| 16:59.25 | us | Is the "testing" firefox not recomended? Do the new security updates with "testing" address this? Are the new security updates with "testing" automatic when pinned to "testing" or do you have to add sources and et it up some how? |
| 16:59.28 | stjepan | sanxiyn: I have seen osdir screenshots |
| 16:59.29 | abrotman | newbiee: then you need i386 .. that is NOT a 64bit CPU |
| 16:59.37 | sanxiyn | stjepan: ??? |
| 16:59.42 | valdyn | !testing security |
| 16:59.42 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
| 16:59.43 | antgel | us: you are making life ever so complicated |
| 16:59.51 | stjepan | sanxiyn: and screenshots shows there is no firefox and nothing for programming :) |
| 16:59.54 | chea1 | fredl_: of course you can. with your box running stable/etch, or even with a console browser |
| 16:59.55 | abrotman | you: us are making life ever so complicated |
| 17:00.01 | sanxiyn | stjepan: What the fuck. |
| 17:00.09 | stjepan | do you have any screenshots? |
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| 17:00.16 | fredl_ | It has just been a while since unstable was -*REALLY*- unstable |
| 17:00.17 | newbiee | and if I have a scsi HD the cdrom will be /dev/hda ?? |
| 17:00.17 | sanxiyn | stjepan: How can you know something is not in Debian by looking at screenshots? |
| 17:00.19 | stjepan | of default system, ofkorz |
| 17:00.32 | abrotman | newbiee: if the CD is IDE .. it should be |
| 17:00.36 | sanxiyn | stjepan: Hm, it doesn't exist for you if you haven't seen screenshots? |
| 17:00.42 | abrotman | sanxiyn: it's not old? |
| 17:00.44 | dvs | abrotman: Nice poetry.. ;-) |
| 17:00.45 | newbiee | ok, thanks abrotman |
| 17:00.54 | chea1 | fredl_: yeah yeah |
| 17:00.54 | abrotman | !d-i newbiee |
| 17:00.55 | dpkg | newbiee, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:01.05 | us | If there's a simple solution to be had here then I certainly am else OI'm not making it complicated. |
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| 17:01.11 | dorto | my debian is not showing my second hard disk. what should i do? |
| 17:01.12 | stjepan | sanxiyn: ofcourse not! |
| 17:01.14 | sanxiyn | stjepan: And how is firefox "for programming"? |
| 17:01.26 | stjepan | sanxiyn: it is not for programming |
| 17:01.34 | dvs | dorto: SATA? |
| 17:01.38 | antgel | us: you're going on about pinning, mixing releases etc. is there any reason why you don't run stable? |
| 17:01.42 | valdyn | stjepan: what 'default system' ? debian has probably the largest support number of packages and amount of software compared to any other distro. |
| 17:01.44 | fredl_ | chea1 - and 'unstable' doesn't mean borked :P |
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| 17:01.57 | us | antgel, Isn't it obvious? |
| 17:02.03 | abrotman | fredl_: depends on the day of the week |
| 17:02.10 | abrotman | antgel: i know !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:02.11 | dorto | dvs: no; normal IDE, just like the first one |
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| 17:02.14 | abrotman | i know why!!!!!!!! |
| 17:02.23 | abrotman | antgel: PICK MEEEE!!!! |
| 17:02.26 | dvs | dorto: fdisk -l |
| 17:02.37 | stjepan | But Debian stable is often outdated, isn't it? |
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| 17:02.39 | abrotman | antgel: he failed the Sid test |
| 17:02.41 | chea1 | fredl_: unstable means unstable. it's useless to say that you find debian's unstable rather stable to try to get someone's pity |
| 17:02.56 | abrotman | stjepan: you know what .. you never told me this morning WHY you think you need gnome2.10 |
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| 17:03.02 | sanxiyn | stjepan: Not now. Debian stable was released June this year. |
| 17:03.10 | sanxiyn | stjepan: So it's 4 months outdated. :-) |
| 17:03.15 | dorto | dvs: its taken as hdc :P thx |
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| 17:03.18 | antgel | stjepan: why not familiarize yourself? http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 17:03.23 | dvs | dorto: No problem |
| 17:03.26 | us | antgel, Don't sugesst I should explain and then post I'm "going on" take your pick. If I knew the solution then I wounldn't be asking. |
| 17:03.26 | antgel | abrotman: sid test? |
| 17:03.38 | abrotman | antgel: the one sid should have :) |
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| 17:03.53 | nite613 | haha sid test |
| 17:04.00 | antgel | abrotman: *knowing nod* |
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| 17:04.11 | nite613 | "Before you can install this distribution of Debian you will have to scor 80% or higher on the following knowledge test..." |
| 17:04.22 | antgel | abrotman: he's not running sid. he's running testing and installed some sid packages etc |
| 17:04.27 | us | Are youy saying the Firefox in Stable is the most secure? |
| 17:04.31 | stjepan | abrotman, I do not need it really :) |
| 17:04.32 | abrotman | antgel: and that is worse! |
| 17:04.33 | fredl_ | chea1 - unstable is unstable, broken is broken, don't try to play wordgames on me. |
| 17:04.40 | abrotman | us: we're saying the one in stable is JUST AS SECURE as the one in sid |
| 17:04.48 | valdyn | us: its near identical to the one in sid, both are as secure |
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| 17:04.50 | stjepan | antgel: do you use sid? |
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| 17:05.11 | fredl_ | I'm just trying to find *what* is broken about XFree right now |
| 17:05.13 | antgel | us: no, i'm saying you should install and use stable because at the moment you can't cope with the nature of testing and unstable without hosing your box |
| 17:05.19 | sanxiyn | stjepan: Debian includes development support for C, C++, Objective C, Fortran, Ada, Pascal, Common Lisp, Java, C#, Smalltalk, Prolog, Standard ML, Scheme, Perl, Python, Ruby, Tcl, Pike, Lua, Haskell, Javascript, Rexx, Dylan, etc., etc. |
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| 17:05.21 | xwolf | us: you realize that the security fixes for firefox are backported to sarge, but without changing the version number |
| 17:05.21 | us | But I though old version Firefox was a known risk. |
| 17:05.24 | lokita | hola |
| 17:05.31 | fredl_ | and what workaround there is, if any |
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| 17:05.38 | lokita | a y alguien |
| 17:05.43 | valdyn | us: who contradicted that? |
| 17:05.49 | abrotman | !alguien |
| 17:05.49 | dpkg | hmm... alguien is the Spanish word for "anyone". A definite clue that someone needs to join #debian-es.... |
| 17:05.50 | chealer | fredl_, I already told you, bugs.d.o |
| 17:05.52 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:05.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:05.53 | antgel | stjepan: not anymore. used to but never upgraded for about a year. last month, upgraded from sid to stable (sarge). not often you hear that one |
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| 17:05.59 | beardy | Why do people want or need the latest version of everything all the time, it only means less tested and will be followed shortly with a bugfix release in many cases.. |
| 17:06.03 | lokita | soy de barcelona |
| 17:06.13 | us | antgel, Thanks for your encouragement. My box isn't "hosed" cause I used apt-listbugs and stopped. |
| 17:06.17 | lokita | y tu |
| 17:06.28 | abrotman | lokita: /j #debian-es |
| 17:06.30 | antgel | us: ah. good. didn't realise you stopped! |
| 17:06.35 | ke6isf | lokita: No habla espanol, /join #debian-es por favor. |
| 17:06.43 | lokita | de donde eres? |
| 17:06.50 | abrotman | lokita: /j #debian-es |
| 17:06.57 | lokita | j |
| 17:07.04 | abrotman | lokita: no habla espanol aqui .. /join #debian-es |
| 17:07.07 | valdyn | us: if you think apt-listbugs will prevent hosing your system then you really really shouldnt try sid at all |
| 17:07.16 | antgel | us: i have forgotten what your problem is. but i can say this. whatever release you're running, don't install packages from another release |
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| 17:07.44 | antgel | beardy: it's a lifestyle. see my apple comments ^^^ :) |
| 17:07.44 | sanxiyn | antgel: us's problem is that Debian doesn't have the very latest Firefox, and you know, old Firefox versions are insecure. |
| 17:08.03 | antgel | sanxiyn: i'm not sure if you're being sarcastic |
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| 17:08.07 | valdyn | sanxiyn: testing doesnt, sarge does, sid does |
| 17:08.10 | us | xwolf: No I didn't fully understand that, thank you. (thus the questions.) So you guys are sure an old version with security updaes is as safe as a new CVS (I think is the slang.) |
| 17:08.22 | abrotman | valdyn: iirc .. it's 1.0.6 ? not 1.0.7 ? |
| 17:08.35 | valdyn | us: its 1.0.7 in sarge for a few days now |
| 17:08.39 | lance_ | msg dpkg java |
| 17:08.43 | antgel | us: not going to be as up-to-date as cvs. but you have to weigh up pros and cons of compiling your own. |
| 17:08.43 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 17:08.48 | abrotman | shows how much i use firefox ;) |
| 17:08.58 | antgel | abrotman: shows how much you read d-s-a |
| 17:09.12 | xwolf | us: look at your firefox package's changelog |
| 17:09.23 | abrotman | antgel: i read the ones that pertain to me :) |
| 17:09.30 | abrotman | antgel: firefox doesn't pertain to me |
| 17:09.39 | chealer | tarzeau, ping |
| 17:09.41 | yang26 | Is anyone using xine for divx playing |
| 17:09.47 | ke6isf | !anyone |
| 17:09.47 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:10.04 | abrotman | eeyore-: you're not watching ... it's almost over .. and someone is going to win!!! |
| 17:10.18 | fredl_ | !xfree86 |
| 17:10.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, xfree86 is proof that world has gone mad, or a free open-source implementation of X11. http://www.xfree86.org/ or ask me about "install xf4" or "x.org", or something that moves so slowly, it doesn't feel like it's moved in years |
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| 17:10.23 | yang26 | I use xine for divx, from debian package, I get good picture, but sound is cutting... |
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| 17:10.44 | antgel | yang26: you don't need sound for pr0n. :) |
| 17:10.53 | sanxiyn | antgel: How? |
| 17:10.59 | abrotman | someone is going to actually finish the DARPA race this year |
| 17:11.08 | sanxiyn | I think one definitely needs sound for pr0n. |
| 17:11.10 | abrotman | well .. maybe |
| 17:11.12 | antgel | sanxiyn: don't make me explain |
| 17:11.23 | us | valdyn, Well, I'm tring to live with "testing" currently but totem would not WORK. So is grabed it from Sid (knowing the whole damn thing might be unstablised) I personally require totem frount end as I believe the controls are superior. Now I am really consered about my browser security (as we all might be in these times) and I guess my question is which version for WHERE is the MOST secure? |
| 17:11.26 | abrotman | 2/3s done are some |
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| 17:11.33 | antgel | sanxiyn: actually you're right. it's not the same unless you can hear the horse neigh'ing. |
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| 17:12.09 | valdyn | us: sids and sarge's firefox versions are the latest and most secure, testings is old and doesnt have the latest fixes |
| 17:12.16 | sanxiyn | us: Anything that have patched all known vulnerabilities is secure. |
| 17:12.18 | us | valdyn, Yeah, that the Sid Firefox giving me (apt-listbugs) pause. |
| 17:12.19 | dorto | my ntfs mount in /mnt/win_d is not readable by any user except root. i have changed permission to chmod a+rwx, still its not readable. why? |
| 17:12.26 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 17:12.28 | abrotman | bah |
| 17:12.28 | antgel | us: if a package doesn't work, the answer is not always to grab it from another release. |
| 17:12.40 | valdyn | us: what bug is it reporting? |
| 17:12.41 | abrotman | !ro-ntfs |
| 17:12.41 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 17:12.55 | abrotman | antgel: it rarely is |
| 17:13.00 | Mars__^ | what i have to press to save file in pico, it is write: ^O save, but i dont know what does it mean? |
| 17:13.03 | valdyn | us: apt-listbugs just lists new bugs, EVERY package has bugs, you need to read those and understand those to benefit from apt-listbugs at all |
| 17:13.04 | sanxiyn | (MFSA 2005-57 is the biggie in 1.0.7 fixes.) |
| 17:13.07 | antgel | us: you may wish to read debian-security-announce mailing list |
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| 17:13.30 | smacnay | What is the best way to copy a dir to another drive and make sure that all files and subdir are copied? rsync? |
| 17:13.34 | emre | I'm not able to use my sound card with kernel 2.6.13.1 anymore. i get the AC'97 0 does not respond - RESET error during boot. where can I get help? |
| 17:13.44 | antgel | smacnay: cp -ax |
| 17:13.44 | smacnay | or, cp -r would do I guess |
| 17:13.46 | abrotman | go back to the old kernel |
| 17:13.48 | smacnay | antgel: thanks |
| 17:13.50 | chealer | emre, #kernel |
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| 17:14.06 | sanxiyn | valdyn: Mythically, TeX is bug-free. :-) |
| 17:14.07 | nite613 | Mars__^: It means Ctrl-O |
| 17:14.26 | tarzeau | chealer: pong |
| 17:14.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: bong! |
| 17:14.40 | Mars__^ | nite613, thanks |
| 17:14.42 | us | antgel, yes but what else? |
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| 17:14.47 | abrotman | no |
| 17:14.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: bubnbros? |
| 17:14.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: now? |
| 17:15.03 | antgel | us: find out why it doesn't work and fix it |
| 17:15.04 | us | valdyn, I posted them concisely above |
| 17:15.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: when i ate my crisp breads with chocolate |
| 17:15.11 | yang26 | antgel: you need :) |
| 17:15.57 | dorto | i added !ro-ntfs suggested line in my fstab; i still can access it as root only. any suggestions? |
| 17:15.59 | syntaxx | whats a good file/network browser other than nautilus? |
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| 17:16.08 | tarzeau | syntaxx: mc |
| 17:16.18 | paulproteus|lapt | syntaxx: Konqueror! :) |
| 17:16.24 | sanxiyn | syntaxx: konqueror is excellent. |
| 17:16.32 | us | antgel, Well, totem is actually working (from Sid). It's Firefox with all the MAJOR bugs. |
| 17:16.50 | paulproteus|lapt | I want to be able to edit a text file in vim but have an X window display its contents. |
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| 17:17.12 | sanxiyn | paulproteus|lapt: Eh... X window? |
| 17:17.14 | antgel | us: let's start again. can you rephrase your question in a line or two? |
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| 17:17.25 | syntaxx | sanxiyn, ok.. hmm how to set it in fluxbox menu when i select it.. it auto runs specific directory? possible? |
| 17:17.25 | valdyn | us: you cant just mix different debian releases and expect things to work, that probably has nothing to do with firefox |
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| 17:17.44 | sanxiyn | antgel: He uses testing. He want secure Firefox. He can't. He's annoyed. |
| 17:17.49 | sanxiyn | That's what I understood. |
| 17:17.53 | paulproteus|lapt | sanxiyn: I don't care what program displays the text; I just want an X program that shows the text file's contents. |
| 17:17.58 | chealer | tarzeau, I checked wiki.d.o and was wondering about the licence of your wiki. do you consider that stuff there can be moved, and to which licence(s)? |
| 17:18.07 | sanxiyn | paulproteus|lapt: Use vim inside X terminal emulator. |
| 17:18.07 | paulproteus|lapt | Then I'd set that window to "always on top" and edit my todo list from vim in a terminal. |
| 17:18.15 | antgel | sanxiyn: aiui testing has security support now |
| 17:18.20 | porkpie | what file do you edit to add an alias i.e 80.6.122.147=127.0.0.1 |
| 17:18.27 | paulproteus|lapt | Well, I want to do the editing from any of my various gnome-terminal tabs. |
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| 17:18.36 | paulproteus|lapt | The idea is a todo list I can edit from any terminal but displays in a corner of my screen. |
| 17:18.36 | antgel | porkpie: wtf |
| 17:18.37 | tarzeau | chealer: i've started to clarify contributions on the page, the other wiki wants a #debian section maybe. but i hate the other wiki syntax |
| 17:19.02 | paulproteus|lapt | porkpie: The normal way to do that only works with names, not IP addresses. |
| 17:19.09 | chealer | tarzeau, the other wiki's syntax?...different moin settings? |
| 17:19.13 | paulproteus|lapt | porkpie: That's /etc/hosts . |
| 17:19.16 | tarzeau | chealer: what about wiki.d.o license? |
| 17:19.18 | porkpie | OK |
| 17:19.23 | tarzeau | chealer: is it also moin? |
| 17:19.24 | nite613 | porkpie: would your purpose be served by putting a name in /etc/hosts? Aliasing IP addresses like that isn't as simple as "editing a file" |
| 17:19.26 | sanxiyn | us: Hm, apparently, current testing's Firefox is actually secure, even if it's 1.0.6. |
| 17:19.33 | sanxiyn | us: Read the changelog. |
| 17:19.36 | us | antgel, OK well first I think we agree "testing" Firefox is not what one runs securely. I then can only guess that leaves, "stable" (pool) firefox, Sid, compliled download from the mozilla site or my own source recompile. Where does one start. Which is secure enough? |
| 17:19.39 | chealer | tarzeau, ur, yes, wiki.d.o is a moin... |
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| 17:19.55 | gui2181 | does anyone have experience with crossover office |
| 17:19.58 | tarzeau | chealer: oh, you know wiki.d.n (N!) was not moint |
| 17:20.01 | sanxiyn | Moin rules. |
| 17:20.06 | tarzeau | sanxiyn: i agree |
| 17:20.11 | us | sander, 1.0.4 i think it was/is, that's what concerned me. |
| 17:20.11 | chealer | tarzeau, oh, that I know for sure :) |
| 17:20.22 | Dasnipa` | hrm somehow i dont have the SDL library installed correctly any ideas? |
| 17:20.23 | sanxiyn | wiki.d.n was Kwiki. |
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| 17:20.45 | chealer | tarzeau, but you aware of the new wiki.d.o, no? didn't you just do an edit? |
| 17:20.55 | us | Second, what the word on NEW testing security. Do I need to set that up some how? |
| 17:20.57 | porkpie | nite613:it's just for viewing the internal website |
| 17:20.58 | tarzeau | chealer: am. did. |
| 17:21.07 | xixor | hey everyone |
| 17:21.07 | dorto | how to find what sound drivers are installed in my debian? |
| 17:21.24 | tarzeau | dorto: find /lib/modules/ |
| 17:21.25 | sanxiyn | us: Yes, currently, you need separate setup. |
| 17:21.27 | nite613 | porkpie: Use /etc/hosts, then |
| 17:21.39 | sanxiyn | us: Read http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ . It's quite simple. |
| 17:21.49 | chealer | tarzeau, ok. so about the licence(s), that still needs to be completely investigated |
| 17:21.54 | xixor | hey guys, apt-get upgrade is giving me problems with udev. Is there a way to skip this package and just finished with the other 100 or so that need to be installed? |
| 17:22.00 | us | sander, OK cool, I will do. |
| 17:22.01 | tarzeau | chealer: yes |
| 17:22.07 | Snadder | how can I get AES-128-CBC with openssl.. atm.. I use DES-EDE3-CBC (triple des).. instead of aes.. |
| 17:22.12 | sanxiyn | us: Basically, you add two lines to your sources.list. |
| 17:22.15 | us | But what about Firefox, which one? |
| 17:22.21 | Snadder | I guess its more secure to use aes? |
| 17:22.24 | Snadder | or am I wrong? |
| 17:22.29 | antgel | us: only you can make that choice. but as i have already said, if you are using testing, installing packages from stable or unstable can HOSE your system |
| 17:22.30 | sanxiyn | us: It seems all Firefox currently in Debian is actually secure. |
| 17:22.40 | sanxiyn | (Not obvious, but check the changelog.) |
| 17:22.42 | chealer | tarzeau, since nobody but jon dowland and perhaps dondelelcaro have started it, I was considering to come with propositions myself. |
| 17:22.52 | us | sander, Love that apt system. |
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| 17:23.02 | scorphus | hi all |
| 17:23.08 | chealer | tarzeau, that's why I'm asking you if we can consider to import data from your wiki |
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| 17:23.18 | chealer | or under which terms |
| 17:23.19 | antgel | sanxiyn: if you read the recent DSAs, there was no upload to testing |
| 17:23.21 | scorphus | is python installed by base install? |
| 17:23.25 | tarzeau | chealer: greycat did a large amount of contents, no idea what he would license it in |
| 17:23.30 | antgel | scorphus: why? |
| 17:23.30 | rutski89 | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kde what version of KDE is that, and how can you tell? |
| 17:23.41 | sanxiyn | scorphus: No. |
| 17:23.46 | Dasnipa` | i apt-get installed libsdl1.2debian-all is there a configuration i have to run on it? |
| 17:23.48 | us | antgel, But it seems to me one has to install form say, Sid to get what one might need. |
| 17:23.52 | chealer | rutski89, check kdebase instead |
| 17:23.56 | kairo | Hi. Somebody have a Debian box with Oracle (9i in my case) and make upgrade from Woody to Sarge? |
| 17:23.56 | scorphus | antgel: because I'm planning to create a software to be used on a basic system |
| 17:24.01 | sanxiyn | scorphus: Perl is, however. |
| 17:24.03 | scorphus | sanxiyn: thanks |
| 17:24.21 | scorphus | yep, I know |
| 17:24.23 | sanxiyn | scorphus: Well, it's easy enough to install Python... You don't need to restrict yourself with "base setup". |
| 17:24.24 | antgel | us: how many times do people have to tell you not to install from sarge or sid on a testing box? |
| 17:24.39 | rutski89 | chealer: ty |
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| 17:24.58 | tarzeau | antgel: i wouldn't ever use testing ... |
| 17:25.03 | sanxiyn | kairo: Eh, I have Debian with Oracle, but not woody->sarge upgrade. |
| 17:25.09 | antgel | tarzeau: you and me both |
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| 17:26.04 | us | antgel, OK I get your point but why? If a package doesn't exist or work the way one need (or at all) but from Sid (and total Sid is to broke) then waht else is there? |
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| 17:26.25 | antgel | us: you said it yourself. source tarball. cvs. |
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| 17:26.38 | sanxiyn | us: Or, you can just do it, and deal with it. |
| 17:26.40 | tarzeau | us: not exist -> make it. broken in sid -> fix it yourself (testing might come handy) |
| 17:26.46 | antgel | us: why? because it's not designed to work like that |
| 17:26.47 | tarzeau | us: and there's still experimental |
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| 17:26.59 | scorphus | sanxiyn: indeed. I'll review my options and the needs for the program |
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| 17:27.02 | us | OK so you are are saying go to source rather than Sid as a rule. I did not know that. |
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| 17:27.07 | lokita | hola |
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| 17:27.14 | antgel | us: i am saying use stable |
| 17:27.19 | tarzeau | i wouldn't go to the source as a general rule |
| 17:27.38 | nvz | damn, only the second time I put these shoes on and already my laces are busted |
| 17:27.41 | kairo | sanxiyn: I'm with fear because libc. |
| 17:27.50 | scorphus | thanks! |
| 17:27.53 | antgel | there is no general rule. simple sid backport works well as well. |
| 17:27.53 | leOn | hey ... suddenly my evolution started segfaulting on startup .. don't see anything relevant in the reported bugs |
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| 17:28.07 | antgel | leOn: what release? |
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| 17:28.10 | kamaraju | Inside vncviewer I can press F8 to go to full screen mode. How can I come back to the original screen (ie exit the full screen mode?) |
| 17:28.14 | nvz | I got 4 pairs of shoes and its still not enough |
| 17:28.14 | leOn | anyone have an idea of what might be the problem ? ... it's a sid system |
| 17:28.14 | chealer | tarzeau, ok, so for your wiki it's a page by page story?...how many pages do you think could be transferred to a GPL/MIT license with reasonable efforts? (that is without contacting more than channel veterans) |
| 17:28.16 | kairo | sanxiyn: I'm thinking and copy my sistem for other box and try upgrade. |
| 17:28.16 | xixor | hey everyone.. apt-get upgrade is complaining about the kernel version, and udev. It is trying to install the udev package, but dpkg just quits, and the upgrade stops. Is there a way to stop udev from being installed and proceed with the rest of the upgrade? |
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| 17:28.22 | iGEEK | you know that menu when i press ctrl+alt+del ... |
| 17:28.31 | us | antgel, I'm not running a server here so why would I run Stable? |
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| 17:28.35 | iGEEK | how to change left image in that menu? |
| 17:28.36 | iGEEK | you know that menu when i press ctrl+alt+del ... |
| 17:28.38 | iGEEK | how to change left image in that menu? |
| 17:28.40 | lokita | hola |
| 17:28.40 | sylvisj | Fck. |
| 17:28.41 | tarzeau | chealer: i don't know. really. |
| 17:28.41 | chealer | xixor, which release? do you need udev? |
| 17:28.48 | tarzeau | chealer: anything wrong with WTFPL? |
| 17:28.56 | chealer | tarzeau, ok, thanks anyway |
| 17:29.03 | xixor | chealer: unsing unstable here. do I need udev? I have no idea |
| 17:29.08 | lokita | como estas |
| 17:29.12 | antgel | us: who said stable is only for servers? you would run stable because then you wouldn't be in this position |
| 17:29.15 | lokita | chato |
| 17:29.15 | chealer | tarzeau, I'll have to check a dictionary before replying to that one :) |
| 17:29.16 | sanxiyn | WTFPL rules! |
| 17:29.17 | sylvisj | Can anyone help me out? Debian is reading my modem as being there, it's all set up, but Apt-get still can't access the internet. |
| 17:29.23 | iGEEK | you know that menu when i press ctrl+alt+del ... |
| 17:29.24 | leOn | antgel: really don't have an idea of what might be ... i didn't upgrade or anything ... just this morning i read my mail just fine with it |
| 17:29.25 | iGEEK | how to change left image in that menu? |
| 17:29.44 | xixor | chealer: dpkg says a udev package is already installed, so another package must have installed it, or it was installed by default in the installation |
| 17:29.46 | antgel | xixor: if you don't know if you need udev, why are you running unstable? |
| 17:29.52 | antgel | is there somethin in the water? |
| 17:29.53 | lokita | que soy española |
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| 17:29.57 | brosio | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.00 | iGEEK | you know that menu when i press ctrl+alt+del ... |
| 17:30.02 | iGEEK | you know that menu when i press ctrl+alt+del ... |
| 17:30.04 | lokita | ablar espanix |
| 17:30.05 | iGEEK | how to change left image in that menu? |
| 17:30.09 | chealer | xixor, see what antgel said |
| 17:30.13 | xixor | antgel: I dont know, I just chose to install unstable :) |
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| 17:30.20 | lokita | de donde eres |
| 17:30.23 | iGEEK | lokita: english, please! |
| 17:30.26 | iGEEK | you know that menu when i press ctrl+alt+del ... |
| 17:30.26 | chealer | xixor, anyway, trying to uninstall it should give you an idea |
| 17:30.29 | iGEEK | how to change left image in that menu? |
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| 17:30.48 | lokita | i adonde esta eso |
| 17:30.58 | sanxiyn | dpkg, wtfpl is http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/, DFSG-compliant, GPL-compatible, free, non-copyleft, simple software license. |
| 17:30.58 | dpkg | sanxiyn: okay |
| 17:31.04 | antgel | xixor: you're fucking joking, surely |
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| 17:31.27 | xixor | antgel, : no, I am not fucking joking |
| 17:31.36 | leOn | antgel: fist i thought it could my evolution folder broken in any way, but after i removed it, it still segfaults, and event doesn't create a new ~/.evolution folder |
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| 17:31.43 | sylvisj | Alright. Anyone here mind helping me out? I reinstalled debian, set up my internet stuff, changed interfaces to point to eth1 like it should (USB cablemodem), and still can't get apt-get to access the net. |
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| 17:32.01 | lokita | espanix |
| 17:32.01 | us | antgel, I supose I don't like waiting three years for new inovation. IMHO debian is starting to be overall better than anything else and the reson I bring that up is I believe it's critical to stay toward the cutting edge a bit (thus "testing") in order to do what we need to do with comuters in the first place. |
| 17:32.04 | antgel | xixor: i believe you. i just don't see how people can install an operating system without doing their research |
| 17:32.12 | chealer | tarzeau, last time I asked you about the wikis, you seemed to not care about them, but if your recent edits mean you changed your mind, "feel free" to contribute to LicensingTerms. and suggest a license if you want |
| 17:32.16 | xixor | antgel, : i've been running unstable for about 8 years now |
| 17:32.26 | antgel | xixor: aha :) |
| 17:32.29 | kamaraju | sylvisj: can you access internet from a browser? |
| 17:32.30 | kittenbot | sylvisj: Are your routes setup? Can you ping anything up ip address? Does DNS work? Is there a firewall somewhere? |
| 17:32.47 | sylvisj | It all works on Windows. I don't even know how to ping something on linux. |
| 17:32.49 | antgel | xixor: in that case, i know you were joking about not knowing if you need udev. sorry :) |
| 17:33.04 | xixor | antgel, : actually, I wasn't joking :) |
| 17:33.06 | kittenbot | Do you have any entries in your sources.list? |
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| 17:33.15 | PUTU_PLUTO | hola |
| 17:33.20 | xixor | antgel, : I've read it up on it a bit, something in the kernel about device management and communication |
| 17:33.23 | lokita | a y alguien español |
| 17:33.24 | sylvisj | # debian files://// blah sarge |
| 17:33.25 | sylvisj | that's it |
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| 17:33.33 | nvz | ok, I just mounted the 242M SD/MMC card /dev/sd1 and it had 66M free, I copy one song and it has 62M and go to copy another and get a message that it cannot create the regular file because there is no space left on the device. I am doing this as root, its vfat.. wtf?! |
| 17:33.38 | chealer | !es |
| 17:33.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:33.47 | antgel | us: perhaps take a look from a different angle. there is no need to be anywhere the bleeding edge if your applications provide the tools you need to do what you want |
| 17:33.55 | xixor | antgel, : i've really stopped following kernel stuff since 2.4, just no time |
| 17:34.10 | antgel | xixor: basically a dynamic /dev depending on kernel drivers loaded |
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| 17:34.39 | nvz | I can't imagine why it won' |
| 17:34.49 | nvz | t let me copy anything to a device with 62M |
| 17:34.54 | sylvisj | Correction, # Debian /file:///blah Sarge. That's all that's in sources.list. |
| 17:34.55 | antgel | leOn: strange that it happened by itself with no upgrade. you could always try an upgrade ;) |
| 17:34.57 | cahoot | nvz: /dev/sd1 being a typo+ |
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| 17:35.16 | nvz | cahoot: yeah. its /dev/sdb1 :P |
| 17:35.38 | tarzeau | chealer: i don't care for my contents, i've set it to wtfpl now, since i heard that's fine |
| 17:35.45 | newbiee | Hi, I have a DC-395UW SCSI controller and is not included in Debian installer |
| 17:35.46 | tarzeau | chealer: check the page (frontpage, bottom) |
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| 17:35.54 | nvz | /dev/sdb1 vfat 242M 180M 62M 75% /mnt and when I cp /srv/samba/guest/Music/\(Tupac\)Life\ Goes\ On.mp3 /mnt/ it says cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/(Tupac)Life Goes On.mp3': No space left on device :( |
| 17:35.59 | sylvisj | Anyone....? |
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| 17:36.02 | newbiee | How can I install debian ? |
| 17:36.03 | tarzeau | chealer: but i'm fine if you take it and say it's mit/gpl or artistic |
| 17:36.13 | tarzeau | chealer: for my stuff, i can't speak for the stuff contributed by others |
| 17:36.14 | PUTU_PLUTO | anybody can say me the numbers of usuarios are in internet on the world? or on the spain? xD can you understand me? -_-' |
| 17:36.23 | antgel | !tell newbiee about install debian |
| 17:36.29 | chealer | tarzeau, haha, ok |
| 17:36.37 | nvz | its a 4.6M file and the device has 62M free |
| 17:36.45 | madclicker | i am trying to unmount a floppy from /dev/fd0 but i coudnt so i "umount -l /dev/fd0" now i cant access my floppy drive. can someone help a brother? |
| 17:36.49 | sylvisj | Ok... Since no one is helpin me here, I'll repeat myself.... |
| 17:36.51 | akash | I am trying to connect my ipod to mmy computer... it's starts charging... but otherwise I dont know how to access or mount it... I am relatively new to linux so need help ;( |
| 17:37.03 | antgel | !tell akash about google |
| 17:37.06 | nvz | sylvisj: apt-setup |
| 17:37.08 | porkpie | antgel:whats syntax for adding a host entry to point 192.168.0.34 to foo.com |
| 17:37.17 | akash | antgel: thanks already knew about google |
| 17:37.20 | leOn | antgel: only if dist-upgrade ... it's already the latest version |
| 17:37.22 | sylvisj | Nvz: It can't access the net. It keeps saying it fails to fetch files on both HTTP and FTP. |
| 17:37.29 | antgel | porkpie: wtf are you trying to do? |
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| 17:37.50 | antgel | leOn: in that case, you could consider filing a bug if there's not one already |
| 17:37.55 | leOn | correction: not even with a dist-upgrade |
| 17:37.59 | pentium451 | porkpie: 192.168.0.34 foo.com |
| 17:38.01 | porkpie | just point the internal address to a hostname of a website that I host |
| 17:38.01 | chealer | tarzeau, sorry the license's acronym hadn't catched my eye |
| 17:38.03 | leOn | it's THE latest version |
| 17:38.04 | nvz | sylvisj: type route, and try ping -c 1 defaultgateway |
| 17:38.18 | porkpie | pentium451 thanks |
| 17:38.21 | sylvisj | nvz: Alright. What do I do with the information it returns? |
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| 17:38.31 | nvz | sylvisj: ping the defaultgateway |
| 17:38.32 | pentium451 | np |
| 17:38.50 | antgel | akash: oh. i assumed you didn't because there are plenty of google-indexed pages regarding ipod on linux |
| 17:38.52 | leOn | antgel: i really want to understand what the heck made this happen since i've been using it perfectly well since the last upgrade (week or two ago) |
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| 17:38.54 | sylvisj | nvz: I know what that will do. Am I supposed to tell you what it says? |
| 17:39.03 | nvz | sylvisj: if it doesnt show a default gateway then thats probably your problem. the network isnt properly configured |
| 17:39.10 | leOn | don't see anything relevant in strace either |
| 17:39.13 | leOn | *sigh* |
| 17:39.20 | Dasnipa` | :_-`|`-_: |
| 17:39.24 | sylvisj | Alright. It has the gateway in interfaces, but I'll try. Brb. |
| 17:39.29 | kittenbot | sylvisj: You only have file:// entries in your sources.list, and yet apt it saying that it can't access http or ftp ? |
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| 17:39.49 | nadia | olaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 17:39.49 | chealer | tarzeau, I assume that all those that contributed under the WTFPL can have their contributions relicensed under the GPL |
| 17:39.58 | antgel | porkpie: man hosts |
| 17:40.02 | nadia | que''' |
| 17:40.22 | tarzeau | chealer: mine for sure |
| 17:40.24 | madclicker | umount /dev/fd0 |
| 17:40.24 | madclicker | umount: /dev/fd0: not mounted |
| 17:40.24 | madclicker | root@system:/media/cdrom/images# mount /dev/fd0 |
| 17:40.24 | madclicker | mount: /dev/fd0 already mounted or /media/floppy0 busy |
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| 17:40.34 | nvz | oh well I am leaving. when I get back I am going to beat the hell out of this damn flash card. low-level format it with a fucking hammer |
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| 17:40.57 | antgel | leOn: you could try strace to see what it's trying to do. |
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| 17:41.19 | akash | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 17:41.19 | akash | akash ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD ALL |
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| 17:41.57 | chealer | tarzeau, ur, ok. that's a good first agreement at least :) |
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| 17:42.17 | nvz | akash: thats not valid IIRC you use NOPASSWD:ALL which is incredibly stupid. |
| 17:42.22 | madclicker | did i miss anyting? |
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| 17:42.47 | newbiee | Hi, I have a DC-395UW SCSI controller and is not included in Debian installer |
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| 17:42.56 | nvz | akash: put a line Defaults:akash rootpw, passwd_tries=1, timestamp_timeout=-1 |
| 17:43.08 | nvz | akash: that will at least provide you a tiny bit of sanity in that insanity |
| 17:43.28 | RaX | Can someone help me with configuring a system to boot as fast as possible? (it only needs a few things running). Also, would it be possible to boot with the root fs readonly? |
| 17:43.32 | nvz | akash: then you have to sudo -v to "become" root, and sudo -k will take away your super powers when you are done |
| 17:43.45 | leOn | antgel: already done that, but don't see anything relevant ... |
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| 17:44.01 | nvz | akash: its still incredibly stupid you might as well just login as root and do everything |
| 17:44.35 | kevin` | what? root? |
| 17:45.14 | kevin` | anyway, how do I disable automountin |
| 17:45.24 | nerdy2 | nvz, it limits the damage, by doing sudo command, rather than command you do make sure you want to do it |
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| 17:46.06 | sylvisj | nvz: The ping succeeded. |
| 17:46.10 | nvz | nerdy2: sure, limits the damage by you. but allows anyone who takes over your account to also gain root with no effort at all |
| 17:46.22 | nerdy2 | nvz, this is true |
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| 17:47.40 | kevin` | ? |
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| 17:48.03 | Darth_Greig | kevin`, i believe you remove the lines in /etc/fstab |
| 17:48.05 | nvz | nerdy2: there is absolutly no reason for it at all. I generally only give myself access to apt-get without a password. and I usually use the timestamp_timeout=-1 ticket system where I have to verify when I am doing administration and kill it when I am done |
| 17:48.17 | sylvisj | nvz: So... what should I do now? |
| 17:48.28 | nvz | sudo's NOPASSWD was intended to save you time not become a security risk. |
| 17:48.31 | kevin` | Darth_Greig ty, I think that will work |
| 17:48.43 | pytajnik | hi, i need graphic file viewev for linux console eg. file formats .jpg.gig.bmp |
| 17:48.55 | kevin` | not a perfect solution though |
| 17:49.09 | Darth_Greig | why not? |
| 17:49.17 | sylvisj | nvz: Again, what should I do now? |
| 17:49.23 | caphuso | kevin`: noauto |
| 17:49.33 | kevin` | because then I can't manually do f/e mount /media/cdrom |
| 17:49.35 | Darth_Greig | caphuso, ahhh yes |
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| 17:49.42 | kevin` | #/dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:49.48 | kevin` | already was noauto |
| 17:50.01 | pytajnik | anybody /j linux |
| 17:50.03 | newbiee | where can I found an ISO image for Debian potato 2.2 ?? |
| 17:50.05 | pytajnik | sorry:) |
| 17:50.09 | nerdy2 | nvz, i totally agree it's a security risk, but it's more secure than other options (such as a weak root pw, or god forbid weak user pw) |
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| 17:50.26 | nerdy2 | nvz, assuming one would do those things for convenience |
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| 17:51.51 | sanxiyn | newbiee: Eh, why do you need potato? |
| 17:52.08 | kevin` | mmm potatoes |
| 17:52.10 | newbiee | sanxiyn, I have a DC-395UW SCSI controller and is not included in Debian installer Sarge |
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| 17:52.32 | pytajnik | i need potato & toamato |
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| 17:52.36 | pytajnik | tomato |
| 17:52.42 | caphuso | but it is in potato? that's, uhm, doubtful |
| 17:52.53 | phreak | How do I make samba NOT give out which user-accounts are availeble? |
| 17:53.15 | sanxiyn | Debian releases older than oldstable is supposed to be at http://archive.debian.org/, but I don't find ISO there. |
| 17:53.32 | sanxiyn | Anyway, I seriously doubt potato will help you. |
| 17:53.33 | sorcre | Has anyone here tried upgrading to GNOME 2.12? |
| 17:53.53 | sylvisj | Sanxiyn: Can ya help me out with my great aptget probs? |
| 17:54.01 | caphuso | sanxiyn: well, nobody expects anyone to actually perform new installations of anything on a.d.o |
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| 17:55.00 | mrpickles444 | hello room |
| 17:55.04 | sylvisj | Yo. |
| 17:55.05 | sanxiyn | caphuso: I found a use for potato libc package couple of times though. |
| 17:55.13 | sanxiyn | (Ooooold binary-only stuffs.) |
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| 17:55.42 | caphuso | sanxiyn: oh, yeah, that sucks |
| 17:55.42 | sylvisj | Sanxiyn: I'm able to ping my gateway and such, so the network is set up right, but Apt-Get can't connect. |
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| 17:55.56 | kevin` | can you ping PAST the gateway? |
| 17:56.02 | sylvisj | Yeah. |
| 17:56.10 | kevin` | dns? |
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| 17:56.18 | grendal_prime | i got this situation with x just hanging...sort of randlomly |
| 17:56.19 | sylvisj | I think the problem is my only entry in Sources.List is pointing to the CD Rom. |
| 17:56.24 | caphuso | sylvisj: apt-setup |
| 17:56.34 | grendal_prime | randomly that is...when im playing certain games...like tuxcart |
| 17:56.36 | sylvisj | Caphuso: It doesn't connect. |
| 17:56.43 | madclicker | how do i make a floppy with cdrom access? |
| 17:56.43 | caphuso | sylvisj: "it"? |
| 17:56.44 | dh2 | I manually created a root crontab in /var/spool/cron/crontabs. Now I see WRONG INODE INFO in the syslog. What did I do wrong? |
| 17:56.51 | sylvisj | Both FTP and HTTP don't connect. |
| 17:56.58 | caphuso | sylvisj: what is "it"? |
| 17:56.59 | sylvisj | Apt-get, all parts of it. |
| 17:57.06 | grendal_prime | locks up the entire display..thing is it seems to make no log as to what whent wrong..any advice? |
| 17:57.09 | caphuso | sylvisj: did i tell you to use apt-get? |
| 17:57.14 | kevin` | dh2 run fsck |
| 17:57.26 | sylvisj | caphuso: apt-setup does not work correctly either. |
| 17:57.36 | caphuso | sylvisj: why not? |
| 17:57.44 | sylvisj | It asks me for a source, and won't work with Http or Ftp. |
| 17:57.45 | mrpickles444 | I don't know how I would live without apt-get :/ |
| 17:57.54 | dspstv | with what command can i see the history of my intalled gcc? |
| 17:57.59 | dspstv | installed |
| 17:58.00 | grendal_prime | with aptitude maybe? |
| 17:58.03 | caphuso | sylvisj: btw, if you don't start telling us _useful_ error messages, i'm going to stop trying to help |
| 17:58.06 | sylvisj | Mrpickles: Lack of AptGet has dropped me to my POS windows partition. |
| 17:58.20 | caphuso | sylvisj: so, what is the *exact* problem with apt-setup? |
| 17:58.21 | sylvisj | Caphuso: Repetitions of failure to fetch files, etc. |
| 17:58.29 | caphuso | sylvisj: that's not an error message |
| 17:58.42 | sylvisj | Caphuso That's what it tells me after it fails connecting. |
| 17:58.54 | mrpickles444 | I know hwo you feel sylvis, apt-get is pretty much the life source of debian and the reason linux pretty much sucks without broadband |
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| 17:58.57 | caphuso | sylvisj: that's a crude interpretation of an error message by someone who doesn't understand the situation |
| 17:59.05 | ModusPonens | how can i extract deb packages in other systems? |
| 17:59.14 | ModusPonens | how can i extract deb packages in other systems? |
| 17:59.18 | sylvisj | Caphuso: I'm a linux noob. I know that apt-get can't connect. I know that I'm able to ping bast my gateway. |
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| 17:59.23 | dspstv | grendal_prime i was hoping that dpkg could tell the history of all installed versions of a certain package |
| 17:59.30 | caphuso | sylvisj: i don't fucking care what you know |
| 17:59.36 | caphuso | sylvisj: i'm only interested in what you _see_ |
| 17:59.37 | sylvisj | I'll brb and write down the 7 or so exact error messages if you'd like. |
| 17:59.44 | pfalcone | ModusPonens: have you tried extracting it via ar? |
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| 18:00.02 | kevin` | sylvisj ssh is your friend |
| 18:00.11 | sylvisj | Caphuso, Want me to get the error messages? |
| 18:00.20 | caphuso | sylvisj: no, i'm giving up |
| 18:00.24 | sylvisj | Kevin`: ... ssh? |
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| 18:00.30 | mrpickles444 | :/ |
| 18:00.46 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 18:00.46 | error403 | i dont know how i would live without SSH |
| 18:00.50 | kevin` | secure shell.. for doing things remotely and not copying text by hand |
| 18:01.24 | sylvisj | That'd be great. Too bad my windows and linux boxes are the same machine. |
| 18:01.36 | kevin` | :( |
| 18:01.46 | kevin` | no irc on linux? |
| 18:01.46 | sylvisj | Exactly. |
| 18:01.55 | brullo | Whatis the easiest to use DVD backup GUI for unstable? thoggen? |
| 18:02.01 | sylvisj | Heh, if I could get apt-get to work so I could get it, I'd be perfectly happy. |
| 18:02.23 | kevin` | sylvisj I think telnet comes with base stuff.. |
| 18:02.40 | sylvisj | Telnet comes with the Debian distro? |
| 18:02.46 | grendal_prime | dspstv, well...you may be able to qurey it...thing is...its probably going to only give you current information..you could look at your cache though if you have never cleared it...all the versions should still be in there |
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| 18:02.55 | mrpickles444 | sylvis, I know this sounds kind of bad but do you think that in the time you will spend fixing this that you could not have just reinstalled the whole OS ? |
| 18:03.07 | grendal_prime | i know with aptitude you get a list of available versions.. |
| 18:03.07 | kevin` | mine is a fairly new install, and has telnet and netcat without specifically getting them |
| 18:03.14 | madradrone | brullo: you mean to burn to DVD? k3b is nice... |
| 18:03.17 | sylvisj | I've already reinstalled it, same problems every time, Mrpickles. |
| 18:03.19 | caphuso | mrpickles444: and then run into the exact same problem again? |
| 18:03.19 | pipeline | sylvisj: What is this, colinuxk? |
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| 18:03.34 | zweideutig | Will the Gizmo Softphone (VoIP) for Linux work okay with a 100 MHz CPU? |
| 18:03.35 | ircops | how do I figure out what applications are using a particular alsa device? |
| 18:03.39 | sylvisj | pipeline: what do you mean? |
| 18:03.46 | brullo | madradrone, No not burn, I mean copy to HD and compress DVD movie |
| 18:03.47 | mrpickles444 | caphuso, Sorry I haven't been here through this whole conversation. I didn't realize it was strictly a network problem. |
| 18:03.52 | chealer | zweideutig, nobody here can say |
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| 18:04.08 | caphuso | mrpickles444: nobody knows what kind of problem it is |
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| 18:04.11 | sylvisj | Mrpickles444: If you can help, please do. Caphuso has given up. |
| 18:04.13 | zweideutig | I'll try a 133 MHz Socket 7 CPU in the Socket 5 on the board. |
| 18:04.17 | kevin` | sylvisj dns works right? |
| 18:04.23 | sylvisj | Yes. |
| 18:04.43 | sylvisj | As I've said, I think the problem is the single-line sources.list file. |
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| 18:04.53 | brullo | madradrone, copy .VOB to HD and then compress and convert to some container format (avi/mpg) |
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| 18:05.23 | mrpickles444 | caphuso, sylvisj, Sorry but I'm probably the biggest noob in here, which is why I'm doing my best to keep my mouth shut |
| 18:05.36 | sylvisj | :( You can't be more of a linux noob than me. |
| 18:05.38 | madradrone | brullo: acidrip, dvdrip, et al... |
| 18:05.49 | dh2 | Kevin` I ran a read-only fsck and it showed errors. Can I safely have fsck fix the errors on up and running system? |
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| 18:06.20 | kevin` | dh2 if it's read only |
| 18:06.42 | kevin` | (/) |
| 18:06.49 | brullo | madradrone, thanks, I will check them out |
| 18:07.40 | dh2 | Kevin` no its not read only, so I guess I have to go into work and reboot the machine. thanks |
| 18:07.53 | kevin` | kevin`:/usr/src/linux-2.6.13.3# mount -o ro,remount / |
| 18:07.58 | kevin` | mount: / is busy |
| 18:07.58 | kevin` | might have that problem ^ |
| 18:07.59 | brullo | madradrone, have you tried thoggen? |
| 18:08.00 | sylvisj | Is there a way to make the sources.list point to the sources manually? Its only entry is currently pointing to file:// |
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| 18:08.46 | brullo | sylvisj, apt-setup or edit sources.list manually |
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| 18:09.09 | madclicker | how do i extract from a windows cd the boot.img portion? |
| 18:09.12 | sylvisj | Apt-setup can't access http and ftp sources. What would I add to sources.list |
| 18:09.13 | sylvisj | ? |
| 18:09.40 | greglev | sylvisj, is your networking working? |
| 18:09.46 | brullo | sylvisj, try etherconf |
| 18:09.49 | kevin` | hmm.. is there rsync? |
| 18:09.51 | sylvisj | Yes, greglef. |
| 18:09.57 | sylvisj | Is that a command, brullo |
| 18:09.58 | sylvisj | ? |
| 18:10.09 | brullo | !etherconf |
| 18:10.09 | dpkg | from memory, etherconf is a package that can be used to redo the initial configuration on your NIC....install it and then 'dpkg-reconfigure etherconf' |
| 18:10.24 | kevin` | what is the name for testing |
| 18:10.25 | sylvisj | I don't use a network interface card. |
| 18:10.29 | sylvisj | It's a USB Cable modem. |
| 18:10.42 | akash | How do I mount windows harddrives? |
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| 18:10.54 | brullo | sylvisj, good luck |
| 18:10.57 | kevin` | akash what filesystem |
| 18:11.02 | akash | NTFS? |
| 18:11.11 | sylvisj | Brullo, the usb cable modem is my problem? |
| 18:11.20 | akash | Isnt there a !tell command for mounting drivers? |
| 18:11.22 | madclicker | akash, mount -a /dev/drive |
| 18:11.22 | kevin` | akash do you need to write to it? |
| 18:11.30 | madclicker | akash, mount -a /dev/drive /mnt |
| 18:11.30 | akash | no |
| 18:11.31 | greglev | mount -t ntfs |
| 18:11.32 | brullo | sylvisj, ofcourse |
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| 18:11.43 | sylvisj | Fuck. I was afraid of that :( |
| 18:11.49 | caphuso | akash: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 18:11.50 | akash | kevin`: can I write to it? |
| 18:11.52 | sylvisj | It's a motorola surfboard modem, recognized as Broadcom |
| 18:11.58 | kevin` | madclicker -a = all |
| 18:12.00 | greglev | madclicker, if it's in fstab |
| 18:12.02 | kevin` | -t auto? |
| 18:12.18 | madclicker | kevin`, -a = auto |
| 18:12.19 | sylvisj | Is there a way to put modem-specific drivers on there, or am I screwed? |
| 18:12.22 | akash | kevin`: I can write to NTFS? |
| 18:12.23 | caphuso | sylvisj: wait, your modem isnt' working, yet you can ping outside the gateway? |
| 18:12.25 | kevin` | akash not with the kernel ntfs driver.. google captive-ntfs |
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| 18:12.32 | kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.33 | emre | when i plug a usb disk the disk contents automatically shows up on my screen using gnome. But i only have read access. how can I have debian mount it with write access given to a specific user? |
| 18:12.47 | sylvisj | Capuso, yes. The modem seems to work. It's working now on windows. It seems to work to an extent on linux. |
| 18:12.49 | greglev | akash, yes, but i'm not sure if it's out of expiramental |
| 18:12.59 | mrpickles444 | does running mepis count as running debian ? |
| 18:13.00 | brullo | sylvisj, make it easy for yourself...but a PCI ethernet NIC (intel/3com) and you will have no problems |
| 18:13.14 | brullo | sylvisj, buy |
| 18:13.17 | sylvisj | I have no spare PCI slots. |
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| 18:13.44 | sylvisj | 3x PCI slots, taken up by 56k modem (which is what is usually used, only on temp. cable), Sound Blaster Live sound card, and GeForce FX5500 Video card. |
| 18:14.13 | brullo | sylvisj, GeForce is AGP I think? |
| 18:14.25 | kevin` | only 3? isa too? |
| 18:14.27 | sylvisj | GeForce has PCI versions of most cards in the FX and under series. |
| 18:14.32 | froztbyte | ntfs write is still experimental status (i would know, i need it) |
| 18:14.34 | mrpickles444 | sylvisj, I'm gussing that since its a fx5500 your talking about pci express cards ? |
| 18:14.39 | froztbyte | but it isn't bad |
| 18:14.42 | sylvisj | It's an HP machine, with some crap generic motherboard. No, Mrpickles, PCI. |
| 18:14.46 | sandman | I'm getting some major hdd errors.. how can I find out if the hdd is going bad? |
| 18:14.53 | sylvisj | No AGP slot, 3x pci, no ISA, no SATA |
| 18:14.55 | akash | /dev/hda1 /hd auto |
| 18:14.55 | akash | /dev/hda2 /hd2 auto |
| 18:14.59 | akash | is that right? |
| 18:15.01 | froztbyte | just hope your power doesn't go off while writing to an NTFS drive |
| 18:15.08 | kevin` | sandman smartctl -a /dev/hdx |
| 18:15.24 | appyR | look for weird notifications in dmesg? |
| 18:15.34 | sandman | I'm looking in kern.log |
| 18:15.39 | kevin` | speaking of, what package is that program in |
| 18:15.41 | emre | how can i have a usbdisk automatically mounted with write access for an ordinary user? |
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| 18:15.43 | brullo | sylvisj, No integrated NIC on the motherboard? |
| 18:15.45 | sandman | Oct 8 08:13:37 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 432560 |
| 18:15.47 | sandman | Lots of those.. |
| 18:15.59 | sylvisj | It has one, but I'm not sure if it works. Even if it does, I don't have the ethernet cable for it. |
| 18:15.59 | sandman | Some of these: |
| 18:16.01 | sandman | Oct 8 08:13:37 localhost kernel: hda: task_in_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } |
| 18:16.04 | appyR | so now find out what the error means :p |
| 18:16.05 | appyR | hehe |
| 18:16.18 | sandman | And these: Oct 8 08:13:37 localhost kernel: hda: task_in_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=43256086, sector=43256086 |
| 18:16.20 | mrpickles444 | my little sister is OCD, she cleans my room at least every other day |
| 18:16.21 | brullo | sylvisj, Have you been smoking carrots again? |
| 18:16.28 | appyR | btw, i just switched to debian and i want to see all the installed packages on my system, how can i do this? |
| 18:16.31 | sylvisj | Yes, I have. |
| 18:16.31 | madclicker | kevin`, what does this mean to you? "mount -a -t nomsdos,ext" |
| 18:16.38 | sylvisj | My cable company insisted on installing the modem, and installed it as USB. |
| 18:16.39 | sandman | It's all the same sector on the hdd tho |
| 18:16.45 | greglev | emre, i had that issue with a fat filesystem and didn't figure out how. have you tried ext3 or reiser on it? |
| 18:16.47 | kevin` | sandman that looks bad |
| 18:16.48 | sylvisj | It's capable of both CAT5 and USB. |
| 18:16.48 | caphuso | sandman: time for a new disk |
| 18:16.57 | sandman | I just bought this computer |
| 18:17.12 | sandman | Those messages just keep popping up tho |
| 18:17.12 | kevin` | madclicker mount all msdos and ext(??) filsystems in /etc/fstab |
| 18:17.14 | sandman | It's the same sector |
| 18:17.29 | caphuso | sandman: then return the disk |
| 18:17.31 | madclicker | kevin`, man mount |
| 18:17.32 | kevin` | oh wait |
| 18:17.36 | sandman | Can't I have something done with just that sector of the disk? |
| 18:17.40 | sandman | Mark it bad or something? |
| 18:17.45 | caphuso | sandman: yes, you can return the disk around it |
| 18:17.53 | froztbyte | emre: yes, you can. use the automounter (not sure where to d/l this, i know mandriva and SuSE have it in) |
| 18:17.59 | kevin` | madclicker I didn't see the no |
| 18:18.08 | sylvisj | Brullo: It's capable of CAT5 and USB, but my cable company insisted on installing it, and installed it as USB for some crazy reason. |
| 18:18.20 | froztbyte | emre: just set it up right then normal non-root) users can write on USB flash drive |
| 18:18.55 | brullo | sylvisj, Throw the crappy USB networking away and get yourself some real stuff. |
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| 18:19.10 | emre | froztbyte: thanks |
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| 18:19.22 | sylvisj | Brullo, will do. Any way to get the USB part to function correctly until then? |
| 18:19.30 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Which modem? |
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| 18:19.41 | froztbyte | pleasure. btw, check on sourceforge. you ought to able to find it there |
| 18:19.42 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: I'm sorry to hear about the USB cable modem nonsense. |
| 18:19.44 | brullo | sylvisj, I have no idea. |
| 18:19.48 | sylvisj | Paulproteus|lapt, Motorola Surfboard usb modem. |
| 18:19.48 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Let's see what we can do. :) |
| 18:20.00 | paulproteus|lapt | Does the ibiblio.org hit on http://www.google.com/search?hs=Pyx&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=usb+cable+modem+linux&btnG=Search help at all? |
| 18:20.05 | sylvisj | Paulproteus|lapt, do lets. |
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| 18:20.26 | sylvisj | Not really. |
| 18:20.26 | sylvisj | Haven't even seen it. |
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| 18:20.47 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Give that HOWTO a look-over |
| 18:20.55 | sylvisj | Mine's an SBS101 |
| 18:20.56 | kevin` | mmm lag |
| 18:20.59 | sylvisj | not 4100/4200 |
| 18:21.13 | sylvisj | SB5100 sorry |
| 18:21.13 | Servo888 | Is it possible to limit the cp command to only 11MB/sec transfer rate? |
| 18:21.15 | froztbyte | anybody here running sarge (64bit 2.6 kernel) and got a nVidia GeForce6200? |
| 18:21.23 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Give the HOWTO a read-over anyway. |
| 18:21.26 | sylvisj | Alright. |
| 18:21.27 | paulproteus|lapt | It's possible you'll find it works for you. |
| 18:21.38 | paulproteus|lapt | It probably predates the release of that model cable modem. |
| 18:21.53 | froztbyte | i need some help with XF86 |
| 18:22.12 | streuner | froztbyte: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 18:22.15 | karl | Ldap search returns me unicode encoded value for cyrilic How can I convert it to something usable in bash script? |
| 18:22.28 | kevin` | !search smartctl |
| 18:22.43 | paulproteus|lapt | froztbyte: Be more specific. |
| 18:22.52 | paulproteus|lapt | froztbyte: What's the problem precisely? |
| 18:22.54 | paulproteus|lapt | Or what is your goal? |
| 18:23.12 | froztbyte | screen is defined in the config file yet it can't start the x |
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| 18:23.35 | sylvisj | Proteus, this is for Xwindows. |
| 18:23.38 | sylvisj | I'm stuck with a console. |
| 18:23.46 | froztbyte | it says screen found but unusable for display |
| 18:23.58 | sylvisj | Wait, I may have spoken too soon |
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| 18:24.11 | dspstv_ | so this is my problem, i have compiled my kernel with gcc-4.4 but have this erro when trying to use ipw2100 for my wireless card ieee80211_crypt: version magic '2.6.12 SMP preempt PENTIUM4 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.12 SMP preempt PENTIUM4 gcc-4.0' |
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| 18:24.31 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: :) |
| 18:24.43 | dspstv_ | i can install gcc-3.3 |
| 18:24.44 | comadreja | how can I get my usb drive automounted when plugged in ? |
| 18:24.58 | paulproteus|lapt | dspstv_: apt-get install gcc-3.3 :) |
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| 18:25.06 | froztbyte | automounter |
| 18:25.16 | dspstv_ | paulproteus|lapt i have done that |
| 18:25.19 | froztbyte | and my goal is to get my X running under debian (and later getting the nvidia drivers installed for opengl use) |
| 18:25.20 | ke6isf | Feh, looks like the game today was postponed on account of rain. =/ |
| 18:25.24 | paulproteus|lapt | Do that, then set the /usr/bin/gcc symlink as you like, then "make clean ; make . |
| 18:25.26 | brullo | comadreja, apt-cache show usbmount |
| 18:25.26 | kevin` | how do I turn off that automouter |
| 18:25.30 | dspstv_ | but still have gcc-4.0 as my gcc |
| 18:25.34 | paulproteus|lapt | dspstv_: Ah. |
| 18:25.44 | paulproteus|lapt | dspstv_: You need to change the symlink that is /usr/bin/gcc . |
| 18:25.49 | mrpickles444 | god dammit ... I just fucking wish I could eat a burrito supreme without getting it all over my torso |
| 18:25.50 | appyR | appyR, bla |
| 18:25.51 | paulproteus|lapt | All: Is gcc set by update-alternatives? |
| 18:26.01 | paulproteus|lapt | mrpickles444: Hear, hear. |
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| 18:26.07 | dspstv_ | update-alternatives? |
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| 18:26.24 | kevin` | ? |
| 18:26.31 | streuner | dspstv_: /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink... |
| 18:26.36 | appyR | How can i see all installed packages on my system?? |
| 18:26.38 | ke6isf | !all |
| 18:26.41 | madclicker | is there a way to extract the boot portion from a windows XP cd ? |
| 18:26.45 | appyR | uhm |
| 18:26.46 | kittenbot | dpkg -l ? |
| 18:26.47 | streuner | appyR: dpkg -l |
| 18:26.51 | brullo | appyR, dpkg -l | more |
| 18:27.00 | appyR | ok thx thats the one :) |
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| 18:27.28 | brullo | madclicker, what you trying to do? |
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| 18:27.35 | froztbyte | madclicker: i know it is possible but i can't tell you how under linux (only got for windows) |
| 18:27.35 | sylvisj | Proteus: that's way too complicated for me. I think I'll just go buy an ethernet cable |
| 18:27.37 | kittenbot | The alternative is to hose your system. |
| 18:27.43 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: If you need more help, look at the whirlpool.net.au link on http://www.google.com/search?hs=IgI&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=sb5100+linux&btnG=Search |
| 18:27.46 | paulproteus|lapt | I'm outta here for now. |
| 18:27.49 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Okay, fine. |
| 18:27.50 | froztbyte | madclicker: google for isobuster |
| 18:27.52 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Don't read anything. |
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| 18:28.03 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: do this: |
| 18:28.05 | sylvisj | I've read a bit of that, and can't print it all. |
| 18:28.07 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: modprobe usbnet |
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| 18:28.11 | madclicker | brullo, make a M$ boot cd from linux |
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| 18:28.23 | Paladini | Marc3lo coeh |
| 18:28.29 | sylvisj | Alright. What will that do? |
| 18:28.31 | madclicker | froztbyte, thats for windows only? |
| 18:28.33 | Marc3lo | Paladini; :D |
| 18:28.50 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: That will load into the running kernel a driver for USB network devices. |
| 18:28.56 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: You'll need to do it as root. |
| 18:29.00 | froztbyte | madclicker: yes, tho u can probably wine in under linux |
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| 18:29.04 | sylvisj | Alright. Should that fix it? |
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| 18:29.13 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: I think so. |
| 18:29.23 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: You'll notice you have a new network interface if it works. |
| 18:29.25 | brullo | madclicker, what kind of bootcd? |
| 18:29.28 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Do you know how to configure network interfaces in Debian? |
| 18:29.47 | froztbyte | madclicker: read up about the orange/red book and el torito cd standards and u might be able to extract the boot sectors from a complete iso |
| 18:29.49 | paulproteus|lapt | (It's possible you'll need to load the CDCEther driver instead, but I doubt it.) |
| 18:29.54 | sylvisj | Proteus: /etc/network/interfaces - Open the file in nano |
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| 18:30.00 | sylvisj | I don't know what to add in there, though, so no |
| 18:30.03 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Okay. :) |
| 18:30.05 | madclicker | brullo, a SP4 patched MS 2000 cd |
| 18:30.10 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Did you do the "modprobe"? |
| 18:30.16 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: "modprobe usbnet", I mean. |
| 18:30.18 | sylvisj | I'll have to reboot to do so. |
| 18:30.24 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Reboot into Linux? |
| 18:30.26 | sylvisj | Can you stick around a few more or are you leaving now? |
| 18:30.28 | madclicker | froztbyte, roger |
| 18:30.29 | sylvisj | "Yeah... double booting. |
| 18:30.29 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Oh, that makes this trickier. :) |
| 18:30.34 | sylvisj | Yes, it does. |
| 18:30.39 | dspstv_ | paulproteus|lapt is it safe to leave this simlynk pointing to and old gcc version? |
| 18:30.55 | kevin` | sylvisj get on irc with telnet/nc |
| 18:30.57 | paulproteus|lapt | dspstv_: Sure, but if I were you, I'd reset it to its old value once you're done forcing gcc-3.3. |
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| 18:31.05 | sylvisj | Proteus, you logging now or will you be here for a few minutes? |
| 18:31.06 | dspstv_ | shall i make it again to 4.4 aftr compiling the kernel |
| 18:31.11 | brullo | madclicker, ok...MS technet has info on how to do that |
| 18:31.12 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: I have to go in a few minutes, but I'll be back in half an hour. |
| 18:31.15 | sylvisj | Alright |
| 18:31.16 | sylvisj | Kevin |
| 18:31.17 | sylvisj | How so? |
| 18:31.19 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Let me be general with my advice. |
| 18:31.22 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Don't leave yet. |
| 18:31.27 | sylvisj | Alright. |
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| 18:31.34 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Let me be precise: do these commands: |
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| 18:31.44 | paulproteus|lapt | modprobe CDCEther |
| 18:31.45 | paulproteus|lapt | modprobe usbnet |
| 18:31.57 | kevin` | sylvisj if you don't already know, best not to try maybe, do you know the irc protocol? |
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| 18:32.06 | sylvisj | No, I don't. |
| 18:32.12 | froztbyte | madclicker: just a warning: u might be in for a serious headache that way |
| 18:32.14 | sylvisj | Proteus, CDCEther is running, it loads at boot. |
| 18:32.29 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: Oh! |
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| 18:32.42 | paulproteus|lapt | Do you know what interface it is? |
| 18:32.44 | sylvisj | It says my modem is eth1. |
| 18:32.45 | paulproteus|lapt | eth0, usbeth0, etc? |
| 18:32.47 | sslashes | anyone know what the return codes for the cp and scp commands are, or where i might be able to find them? |
| 18:32.48 | paulproteus|lapt | eth1? Great. |
| 18:32.56 | paulproteus|lapt | Just run "dhclient eth1" as root, and you'll be online. |
| 18:32.58 | sylvisj | I've changed Interfaces to point to itt. |
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| 18:33.01 | sylvisj | Awesome. |
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| 18:33.07 | sylvisj | THX a ton. |
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| 18:33.11 | madclicker | brullo, ms technet? |
| 18:33.15 | paulproteus|lapt | Private-message me from Linux to make this a bit cleaner. |
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| 18:33.20 | sylvisj | Alright. |
| 18:33.22 | paulproteus|lapt | sylvisj: When I'm back, I'll reply. |
| 18:33.26 | sylvisj | Umm |
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| 18:33.27 | sylvisj | How? |
| 18:33.32 | sylvisj | I don't kno whow to use IRC on linux |
| 18:33.52 | akash | what is the command to turn on bash completion? |
| 18:33.55 | kevin` | kevin@kevin:~$ echo "nick aasdf |
| 18:33.55 | kevin` | user a a a a |
| 18:33.55 | kevin` | JOIN #debian |
| 18:33.56 | kevin` | " |nc irc.freenode.net 6667 |
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| 18:34.02 | kevin` | ah freenode |
| 18:34.16 | brullo | sylvisj, xchat is nice |
| 18:34.26 | sylvisj | I'll try to get it if I can get apt-get working. |
| 18:34.31 | akash | . .bash_completion or something like that? |
| 18:34.33 | sylvisj | I'll be back in afew if it doesn't work. |
| 18:34.35 | mrpickles444 | brullo, my girlfriend is nice |
| 18:34.37 | caphuso | akash: editor ~/.bashrc && . ~/.bashrc |
| 18:34.41 | kevin` | 4 lines a flood? |
| 18:34.45 | thingfish | 3 |
| 18:34.50 | kevin` | 3?! |
| 18:34.51 | kevin` | wigh |
| 18:34.53 | kevin` | *s |
| 18:34.55 | thingfish | more than three, I guess. |
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| 18:35.26 | nvz | kevin`: you are not suppose to paste anything in here, not even 1 line. but you can get away with it. |
| 18:35.36 | Apollyon | How do i know how many packages i have installed in my debianOS? |
| 18:35.39 | brullo | mrpickles444, great! send the naked photos! |
| 18:35.50 | caphuso | Apollyon: dpkg -l | grep '^[hi]' | wc -l |
| 18:35.57 | kevin` | nvz i'll keep that in mind for the future |
| 18:36.03 | kevin` | my pastebin gets more use then |
| 18:36.10 | Apollyon | Thanks! |
| 18:36.13 | nvz | screw the photos, send me the naked girlfriend :P |
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| 18:36.42 | caphuso | most people prefer a two line paste of an error message over a fucked up one line description of that error message |
| 18:36.49 | brullo | nvz, so dirty, so wrong but...so RIGHT! ;-) |
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| 18:37.42 | dupondje | hi guys, somebody knows how i can fix it, that when i shutdown my nfs server, the client doesn't die, cause now sometimes client gives kernel panic :s any id ? |
| 18:37.58 | Dasnipa` | when he says girlfriend he means bow legged orangutang names tina |
| 18:38.05 | Dasnipa` | named * |
| 18:38.06 | paulproteus|lapt | dupondje: You must umount the NFS server *from the client* before shutting it down. |
| 18:38.07 | kevin` | don't shut down an nfs server? ;) |
| 18:38.11 | paulproteus|lapt | Otherwise everything will go nuts. |
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| 18:38.33 | dupondje | paulproteus|lapt: but if it crashes or smth ? :s |
| 18:38.36 | kevin` | how'd you manage a kernel panic from that |
| 18:38.37 | kevin` | though |
| 18:38.43 | kevin` | mounted as root? |
| 18:39.02 | paulproteus|lapt | dupondje: You might be able to "umount -f" the NFS path. |
| 18:39.50 | dupondje | but isn't there a way it just doesn't panic :s |
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| 18:40.23 | kevin` | dupondje it's possible to mount nfs with options to allow for errors |
| 18:40.30 | kevin` | instead of endless retrys |
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| 18:40.40 | Turms | i'am installing debian via floppies, the problem is that when i should choose the module for my eth card the list flies by in the screen and i cannot detect the number i should choose, is there any way of seeing the list page by page? |
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| 18:41.13 | kevin` | Turms try shift+pgup |
| 18:41.34 | DjAsterix | Hi all |
| 18:41.42 | kevin` | hi DjAsterix |
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| 18:42.24 | DjAsterix | I have a problem, I can help me? |
| 18:42.24 | Turms | kevin`: thanks :-) |
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| 18:42.48 | DjAsterix | win.c:2:20: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:42.48 | DjAsterix | win.c: In function ‘main’: |
| 18:42.48 | DjAsterix | win.c:5: error: ‘GtkWidget’ undeclared (first use in this function) |
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| 18:42.49 | Turms | kevin`: ok it works, thanks again |
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| 18:43.01 | DjAsterix | win.c:5: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 18:43.01 | DjAsterix | win.c:5: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 18:43.01 | DjAsterix | win.c:5: error: ‘window’ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 18:43.13 | DjAsterix | win.c:7: error: ‘GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL’ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 18:43.20 | valdyn | DjAsterix: stop it |
| 18:43.20 | dupondje | kevin`: it's mounted soft |
| 18:43.28 | dupondje | so shouldn't crash then ? :s |
| 18:43.32 | Frenchwood | Anyone got a successful wind xppro/Debian Sarge dual boot? I cant get grub to kick it up! |
| 18:43.45 | dupondje | timeo=14,intr,soft,nolock,tcp |
| 18:43.56 | DjAsterix | which bookcase I must istallare in order to make to work the program? |
| 18:44.03 | kevin` | I don't think it should crash ever.. unless you have swap on it or something |
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| 18:44.15 | RaX | Can someone help me see if i can mount my root fs readonly? and keep ssh working? :D |
| 18:44.16 | dupondje | it gives kernel panic :s |
| 18:44.18 | Dasnipa` | Frenchwood, i dual boot xppro and sarge |
| 18:44.20 | valdyn | !tell DjAsterix -about search |
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| 18:44.40 | skorpionn | holas a todos |
| 18:44.45 | Dasnipa` | frenchwood: what isnt it 'kicking up'? |
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| 18:45.01 | kevin` | !tell me about search |
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| 18:45.33 | DjAsterix | !tell me |
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| 18:47.19 | nvz | kevin`: /msg dpkg search do not use tell to tell yourself |
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| 18:47.38 | DjAsterix | I have not understood |
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| 18:47.43 | marty | is there a soundcard config command or program |
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| 18:47.57 | marty | my sound card has not yet been set up |
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| 18:48.02 | nvz | DjAsterix: what language do you speak? |
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| 18:48.20 | Downfall | there is somebody who speak french ? |
| 18:48.23 | rutski89 | If I got with debian/unstable should i just get rid of the security entry in apt.list? |
| 18:48.25 | nvz | !fr |
| 18:48.25 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 18:48.36 | dupondje | timeo=14,intr,soft,nolock,tcp <- with this mount options client shouldn't panic when server dies ? :s |
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| 18:48.52 | rutski89 | **sources.list |
| 18:49.02 | valdyn | rutski89: yea |
| 18:49.06 | DjAsterix | nvz I am italian |
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| 18:49.11 | nvz | !italian |
| 18:49.11 | dpkg | from memory, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 18:49.23 | DjAsterix | !italian |
| 18:49.23 | dpkg | i guess italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:49.31 | kevin`_ | *grumble* |
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| 18:49.43 | DjAsterix | thanks |
| 18:49.51 | rutski89 | so just delete "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main"? |
| 18:49.57 | rutski89 | or change it to "unstable/updates main" |
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| 18:50.06 | valdyn | rutski89: delete or comment out |
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| 18:50.08 | kevin`_ | what is the name of testing |
| 18:50.13 | nvz | etch |
| 18:50.15 | kevin`_ | ty |
| 18:50.43 | marty | is there a soundcard config command or program? |
| 18:51.01 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 18:51.01 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
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| 18:51.52 | valdyn | marty: ah that factoid sucks, just install alsa-utils and run alsaconf or read the faq |
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| 18:51.54 | RaX | Can someone help me see if i can mount my root fs readonly? and keep ssh working? :D |
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| 18:52.21 | marty | thanks |
| 18:52.30 | nvz | RaX: mount -o remount,ro / |
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| 18:53.17 | RaX | nvz: i just get "/ is busy" erros. Which of course it is. What i really wanna do is boot to it readonly.. but when i do that, ssh doesn't load.. i think it's trying to log or write a pid file and when it cna't, it bails.. ? |
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| 18:53.35 | Ryushin | I know that I need to stick extra lib directories in /etc/ld/so.conf, but where do I put in extra "include" directories? |
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| 18:53.54 | nvz | RaX: why do you want it read-only? |
| 18:54.07 | headly | How do I tell apt-get to install config files for a package when it normally wouldn't? |
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| 18:54.40 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 18:54.40 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 18:54.50 | Dasnipa` | what is required for the boost library package? |
| 18:55.10 | headly | valdyn: thanks |
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| 18:55.32 | RaX | nvz: cuz i plan to put it in a car, and it will lose power unexpectidly.. so i figure if it's not wirting anything, it should be safe. It only needs to play mp3's.. i've laready stripped down the kernel and all the services to make it as fast and small as possible.. |
| 18:55.51 | witless | installing mserv on sarge, i get: dpkg: error processing mserv (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 30 any idea how i might track this down? |
| 18:55.59 | jdhutchin1 | RaX, some stuff has to be writeable, like /tmp, /var |
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| 18:56.09 | fredl_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.24 | RaX | jdhutchin1: has to be? or should be? |
| 18:56.40 | jdhutchin1 | RaX, has to be- programs count on it, esp ssh |
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| 18:57.14 | jdhutchin1 | RaX, use a journalling file system, and keep the rest of stuff ro (/usr, etc) and you'll be fine |
| 18:57.20 | nvz | RaX: I don't care to comment any further. You should have thought this through more. |
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| 18:58.06 | nvz | If I were to put a pc in a car I would not have it shutting down unexpectedly thats for sure |
| 18:58.11 | kevin`_ | what's that filesystem used to make cds 'writable' in memory? |
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| 18:58.22 | shay | kevin`_, UNIONFS |
| 18:58.27 | kevin`_ | ^ |
| 18:58.30 | sylvisj | Alright. Thanks a ton to the people who helped me get my internet working. |
| 18:58.33 | sylvisj | Just a few more things. |
| 18:58.41 | sylvisj | I apt-get'd Xchat. |
| 18:58.50 | sylvisj | I try to run xchat. Xchat says it can't display something. |
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| 18:58.55 | nvz | there is no excuse not to have a proper backup power system in a car |
| 18:59.04 | chealer | !tell fredl_ about x windows |
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| 18:59.35 | fredl_ | thanks chealer. |
| 18:59.36 | sylvisj | Do I need X windows for Xchat to work? |
| 18:59.42 | kevin`_ | sylvisj yes |
| 18:59.49 | fredl_ | yes sylvisj. |
| 19:00.01 | fredl_ | so don't apt-get update/dist-upgrade. |
| 19:00.02 | adz | anyone know where htdocs is located in debian? |
| 19:00.02 | kevin`_ | sylvisj try, right now, to use telnet from windows ;) |
| 19:00.03 | nvz | sylvisj: yes unless you use xchat-text package |
| 19:00.04 | sylvisj | alright. How do I get KDE to work? I downloaded it, but can't seem to initialize it. |
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| 19:00.11 | marty | how can i find out what kernel i'm running? |
| 19:00.14 | nvz | sylvisj: you should just use irssi-text |
| 19:00.17 | jdhutchin1 | maruname -r |
| 19:00.17 | adz | uname -r |
| 19:00.18 | sylvisj | Alright, NVZ. |
| 19:00.22 | RaX | nvz: well, it doesn't need to do anything other than play mp3's, so it shouldn't hurt it to just cut power. I could put in a power supply that would get ignition switch trigger events, but that's for a later time when i have more cash |
| 19:00.24 | nvz | xchat is a POS |
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| 19:00.34 | RaX | jdhutchin1: ok, thanks. i'll try that and see if i have any trouble. |
| 19:00.38 | sandman | Does fsck do deep checks on teh hdd itself to mark bad blocks? |
| 19:00.46 | sylvisj | Ok... |
| 19:00.52 | sylvisj | I'm on the telnet program. |
| 19:00.56 | jdhutchin1 | sandman, only if you tell it to |
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| 19:01.04 | asuffield | sandman: no, that's what badblocks is for |
| 19:01.07 | kevin`_ | sandman try smartctl |
| 19:01.13 | asuffield | fsck has an argument to run it first |
| 19:01.21 | sylvisj | NVZ, What do you want me to do at the telnet prompt? |
| 19:01.21 | nvz | RaX: if ALL it needed to do was play mp3s it doesnt need ssh, and you dont need a PC in there. you could much easier, cheaper, and more effeciently use an mp3 player |
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| 19:01.36 | nvz | sylvisj: I don't care wtf you do at a telnet prompt |
| 19:01.40 | asuffield | but realistically, if there are bad blocks visible at that level on a modern disk, your drive is *dead* |
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| 19:01.46 | sylvisj | You just told me to use telnet right now on windows |
| 19:01.47 | kevin`_ | sylvisj irc |
| 19:01.48 | asuffield | so there's no point running badblocks |
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| 19:01.51 | kevin`_ | sylvisj that was me |
| 19:01.55 | sylvisj | Oh. |
| 19:01.57 | sylvisj | Ok. |
| 19:02.01 | sylvisj | How do I telnet irc? |
| 19:02.11 | kevin`_ | telnet irc.freenode.net 6667 |
| 19:02.17 | kevin`_ | nick syl |
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| 19:02.23 | kevin`_ | user whatever . . . |
| 19:02.40 | sylvisj | Unknown command |
| 19:02.48 | kevin`_ | O_o |
| 19:02.59 | fredl_ | touchy bunch here tonight. |
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| 19:03.02 | kevin`_ | I thought windows 95+ came with telnet |
| 19:03.05 | sylvisj | C:\WINDOWS\System32\telnet.exe is what I was using. |
| 19:03.08 | sylvisj | I'm on XP. |
| 19:03.18 | kevin`_ | (95 and up) |
| 19:03.21 | deepan | how do i do ftp ( ftp over TSL/SSL explicit) through port 121 .. in command mode |
| 19:03.31 | sylvisj | Got it. |
| 19:03.38 | nvz | kevin`_: he's already in telnet, and telnet isnt a valid command for telnet |
| 19:03.39 | Dasnipa` | didnt windows for workgroups have telnet as well? |
| 19:03.40 | jaaro | is there any tool which can be used to send "custom crafted" ethernet link frames? |
| 19:03.45 | kevin`_ | ah |
| 19:03.46 | Coweater | sylvisj: telnetting to irc was a joke, it requires you to be the client, unlikely you'll remember all the irc commands |
| 19:04.00 | sylvisj | Damn. |
| 19:04.03 | sylvisj | I was connected and it timed out. |
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| 19:04.15 | asuffield | Dasnipa`: it didn't include an IP implementation, so I rather doubt it |
| 19:04.16 | fredl_ | you didn't ping huh? |
| 19:04.16 | RaX | nvz: except i couldn't have an 80 drive in it for free :P |
| 19:04.16 | kevin`_ | it would be alot easier then switching back and forth to windows |
| 19:04.17 | jaaro | sender for udp broadcast packets with custom dataload would also be greaty. |
| 19:04.19 | kevin`_ | for me at least |
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| 19:04.31 | sylvisj | Ok... so in linux... run telnet? |
| 19:04.37 | sylvisj | Which is on my win partition? |
| 19:04.47 | kevin`_ | linux probably has it already |
| 19:04.50 | kevin`_ | native |
| 19:04.53 | kevin`_ | but, nc is better |
| 19:05.02 | fredl_ | so does anybody know a workaround to get my X Window System to work on unstable? |
| 19:05.12 | sylvisj | Ok... what is nc? |
| 19:05.12 | kittenbot | jaalto: For ip layer stuff, there's sendip -- for anything lower level, you might have to write your own code using the ethertap interface ? |
| 19:05.16 | sylvisj | Adn will it work off a console? |
| 19:05.19 | jdhutchin1 | fredl_, maybe if you told us what was wrong? |
| 19:05.41 | Beik | fredl_: your question is way too unspecific. more details pls. |
| 19:05.56 | fredl_ | jdhutchin1 - I run X, it gives me back a prompt and doesn't log anything. |
| 19:05.59 | kevin`_ | sylvisj yes, it's a useful program for making tcp connections, similar to telnet, except no terminal stuff (more suited to other protocols) and it can listen |
| 19:06.07 | sylvisj | Alright. |
| 19:06.12 | kaktus | Hi! I need some guidance with my Dell Latitude D300XT. Have problems setting up the crystal 4237B soundcard that is on it. Could anyone give me some tips? I get the errormessage "Could not load /Dev/dsp. Using the null-output device" upon startup |
| 19:06.15 | sylvisj | Is NC on there or will i have to apt-get it? |
| 19:06.16 | kevin`_ | some other stuff too, see man nc if you want |
| 19:06.24 | nvz | RaX: how do you plan to navigate 80GB of MP3 while driving? thats like 240,000 MP3s |
| 19:06.25 | kevin`_ | unsure, it was on mine |
| 19:06.28 | sylvisj | Alright. |
| 19:06.34 | sylvisj | I remember the server ip and port. |
| 19:06.37 | sylvisj | Hopefully this will work. |
| 19:06.41 | kevin`_ | wait |
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| 19:06.53 | kevin`_ | 2 commands you should know |
| 19:06.53 | Dasnipa` | 80 gb of mp3 is not 1/4 a million i have 55 gb and its 15,000 |
| 19:06.53 | kevin`_ | JOIN #debian |
| 19:06.55 | jdhutchin1 | fredl_, if x isn't leaving any logs, it's because you told it not to |
| 19:06.59 | RaX | nvz: i know, i also have an lcd, and with a keyboard, and a search command.. much faster than an mp3 player. Plus i have all these parts lying around, so.. |
| 19:07.02 | kevin`_ | PRIVMSG #debian :hello all |
| 19:07.02 | psychonate | mp3 :( |
| 19:07.03 | psychonate | bleh |
| 19:07.11 | kevin`_ | caps are not important |
| 19:07.13 | brullo | kaktus, are you a member of the sound group? |
| 19:07.20 | kaktus | nope |
| 19:07.34 | fredl_ | jdhutchin1 - I didn't tell it anything. I just this morning did an apt-get dist-upgrade and it no longer does anything at all |
| 19:07.38 | brullo | kaktus, do you have write permission to the sound device /dev/dsp ? |
| 19:07.51 | kaktus | ? |
| 19:08.09 | kevin`_ | oh, he left |
| 19:08.23 | durt | im not sure what all changes i need to make in order for gdkxft to work. anyone know how to get gdkxft working? |
| 19:08.37 | kaktus | I think it's wrong settings because some guy tried to help me with the problem, but couldn't find any siutable drivers, so he just tried some that were installed on the systen |
| 19:08.39 | kaktus | system |
| 19:08.40 | fredl_ | jdhutchin1 - I mean, I can give it all kinds of commandline options I want and it still won't do anything. |
| 19:08.43 | nvz | Dasnipa`: I've got around 1500 in 5gb |
| 19:09.04 | brullo | kaktus, alsa? unstabe/2.6 ? |
| 19:09.05 | Dasnipa` | nvz: must be crap for bitrate |
| 19:09.11 | brullo | kaktus, alsa? unstable/2.6 ? |
| 19:09.12 | kaktus | sarge |
| 19:09.30 | nvz | Dasnipa`: 128k most of them. some are OGG too |
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| 19:09.40 | cahoot | nvz: so multiply by 16 |
| 19:09.43 | fredl_ | jdhutchin1 - I can move my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to /tmp and start X and it doesn't say anything. Just returns to the prompt right away. |
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| 19:09.59 | brullo | kaktus, what does ls -l /dev/dsp say? |
| 19:10.01 | nvz | cahoot: maybe I put too many zeros and it was 24,000 |
| 19:10.02 | cahoot | nvz: hardly 240.000 |
| 19:10.02 | jdhutchin1 | fredl_, then you have some big issues, to say the least |
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| 19:10.33 | fredl_ | jdhutchin1 - I know, that's what I tried to make clear, but all I got earlier was to look at bugs.debian.org. |
| 19:10.47 | nvz | dpkg, 1500*16 |
| 19:10.47 | dpkg | 24000 |
| 19:10.50 | kaktus | brullo: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14 |
| 19:10.50 | brullo | kaktus, also set "adduser USER audio" |
| 19:10.59 | fredl_ | which is possible, albeit very clumsy with a console browser. |
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| 19:11.18 | tarzeau | fredl_: depends on which console browser you use |
| 19:11.25 | brullo | kaktus, do you have ALSA installed? |
| 19:11.28 | tarzeau | fredl_: and console browser can be graphical too (using fb or svgalib) |
| 19:11.29 | kaktus | No |
| 19:11.39 | nvz | I did the math of 1547 songs in 6.3GB in my head.. so I carried the decimal too far :P |
| 19:11.50 | kaktus | I'm already a member of "audio |
| 19:11.52 | kaktus | " |
| 19:12.01 | fredl_ | tarzeau - sure, but I come here first to see if it's a known problem that anybody could give me a quick hint on. |
| 19:12.02 | brullo | kaktus, /msg dpkg alsa |
| 19:12.22 | tarzeau | fredl_: that's fine i was just commenting your sentence about console browsers being clusmy |
| 19:12.29 | tarzeau | i just disagree |
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| 19:13.15 | dspstv | so, if update-modules is deprecated what should i use to make my currently installed modules the default to load by the kernel? |
| 19:13.40 | fusspils | how do I bind a key to an application? |
| 19:14.00 | PrideF | Perhaps a newb question, but I'm having troubles encoding my .ogg files to a CD with K3B (on unstable). I was wondering if there is a utility under gnome that does an automatic conversion of .ogg to cd audio tracks |
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| 19:15.13 | brullo | PrideF, mp3burn dir2ogg |
| 19:15.19 | PrideF | fusspils, under what desktop manager? |
| 19:15.22 | fusspils | kde |
| 19:15.31 | shai | does anyone know how to change the colors in vi? (like i want to change the .c comment colors) |
| 19:15.34 | wathek | I've a prob while creating a deb file |
| 19:15.53 | PrideF | in the control panel, go to regional and accessibility options...keyboard shortcuts (I think) |
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| 19:16.07 | wathek | I got this fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 19:16.07 | wathek | /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 175: fakeroot: command not found |
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| 19:16.18 | fusspils | PrideF: k thanx I will give it a whirl |
| 19:16.25 | psychonate | wathek, install fakeroot? |
| 19:16.39 | wathek | !info fakeroot |
| 19:16.42 | dpkg | fakeroot: (Gives a fake root environment), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.5.4 (sid), Packaged size: 87 kB, Installed size: 256 kB |
| 19:16.49 | fredl_ | If I type dexconf, it says "This program doesn't know how to configure the "10shared/default-x-server doesn't exist" X server |
| 19:16.50 | wathek | ok pseubodo1 |
| 19:16.53 | wathek | ok psychonate |
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| 19:17.47 | fredl_ | does that ring any bell for anybody by any chance? |
| 19:19.01 | kaktus | brullo: I found out that no drivers for audio was added under /etc/modules/, but the command apt-get install..... gives this errormessage: Could not get lock /Var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 19:20.29 | brullo | kaktus, youre the only one currently logged in? |
| 19:20.44 | kaktus | yes |
| 19:21.02 | wathek | I've a little prob |
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| 19:21.21 | Psyko | Hello |
| 19:21.26 | brullo | kaktus, can you manually insert the module? |
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| 19:21.34 | sylvisj | Darn it. |
| 19:21.37 | Psyko | Anybody can help me with a microphone problem? |
| 19:21.38 | sylvisj | I was just in here on linux. |
| 19:21.40 | sylvisj | Xchat-text |
| 19:21.43 | sylvisj | Didn't work so well. |
| 19:21.58 | kaktus | I don't know how to do so |
| 19:22.01 | wathek | I dunno why when I run dh_make -e email@adress.com -f ../foo-1.15.tar.bz2 |
| 19:22.06 | sylvisj | Whoever it was that suggested I use NC, it wasn't on my system. |
| 19:22.10 | wathek | it has created a gz file !! |
| 19:22.22 | fredl_ | Hmmm. |
| 19:22.28 | fredl_ | that sure didn't work |
| 19:22.47 | wathek | however I've a bz2 file |
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| 19:23.00 | sylvisj | Ok, Guess I'd probably get the smart thing done first... how do I set up KDE or GNOME? |
| 19:23.18 | wathek | so I got a prob with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:23.22 | madclicker | how do i extact files from an iso image to harddrive? |
| 19:23.27 | wathek | coz it's lookin for a gz file |
| 19:23.32 | sylvisj | Madclicker: WinRAR |
| 19:23.40 | brullo | sylvisj, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xfree86 gnome gdm |
| 19:23.40 | fredl_ | I have a feeling I've just gone from bad to worse. |
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| 19:24.01 | madclicker | sylvisj, dont have it in linux |
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| 19:24.08 | sylvisj | Brullo, I've wanted to use KDE - is it possible? |
| 19:24.14 | kaktus | Brullo: How do I manually insert the module? |
| 19:24.17 | brullo | sylvisj, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xfree86 kde kdm |
| 19:24.17 | sylvisj | Madclicker, there shoudl be a linux version |
| 19:24.28 | sylvisj | Alright, thx. |
| 19:24.40 | Mr-R | madclicker: just mount the iso-file with -o loop |
| 19:24.46 | brullo | kaktus, modprobe name-of-the-module-for-your-hardware |
| 19:25.03 | mijndert | Hi. i have a little question: i want to install debian etch on my desktop, but has debian etch mp3 support by default? If no, how can I install it? thnx :) |
| 19:25.09 | fredl_ | ciao |
| 19:25.10 | madclicker | Mr-R, thank you |
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| 19:25.31 | brullo | mijndert, vlc |
| 19:26.01 | mijndert | brullo, has VLC support for mp3's? what about xmms.. |
| 19:26.01 | kaktus | How can I find out what the modulename is? |
| 19:26.34 | wathek | some one has created deb file from a tar.bz2 file ? |
| 19:26.35 | brullo | mijndert, vlc supports everything...mp3 flac ogg...you name it |
| 19:26.53 | brullo | mijndert, xmms sucks IMO |
| 19:27.03 | mijndert | what about amarok then? :P |
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| 19:27.45 | kaktus | Brullo:How can I find out what the modulename is? |
| 19:27.46 | brullo | mijndert, I have no idea |
| 19:27.56 | brullo | kaktus, what snd card you have? |
| 19:28.04 | kaktus | Crystal 4237B |
| 19:28.10 | psychonate | I still like xmms. I guess I'm the only one lol |
| 19:28.14 | mijndert | mkay so i'll have to live with VLC :P |
| 19:28.28 | brullo | mijndert, apt-cache search music player |
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| 19:28.53 | kaktus | Brullo:Crystal 4237B |
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| 19:29.07 | omry | openoffice.org supposed to come with a file named "officebean.jar", which I can't find. I tried to install oo sdk, but its not there either. |
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| 19:29.11 | kaktus | Integrated thing that came along with the laptop |
| 19:29.14 | mijndert | brullo, in ubuntu the mp3 support thingy is named: gstreamer-mad or something. Has debian something like it? |
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| 19:29.42 | witless | installing mserv on sarge, i get: dpkg: error processing mserv (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 30 |
| 19:29.45 | witless | any idea how i might track this down? |
| 19:29.55 | brullo | kaktus, hwinfo --sound |
| 19:30.14 | brullo | kaktus, google for your card what module to load with modprobe |
| 19:30.22 | kaktus | hehe |
| 19:30.33 | brullo | mijndert, what do you mean with mp3 support? play? |
| 19:30.39 | mijndert | yeah |
| 19:30.43 | gsnedders | i have an ethernet card which is not being detected whatsoever by the computer |
| 19:30.51 | mijndert | just plain mp3 sound |
| 19:30.55 | paulproteus|lapt | gsnedders: What card? |
| 19:30.58 | jdhutchin1 | gsnedders, what kernel are you using? |
| 19:31.04 | paulproteus|lapt | gsnedders: Why do you think it's not being detected? |
| 19:31.12 | brullo | mijndert, sure...mp3 is no problem just rock man |
| 19:31.18 | jdhutchin1 | gsnedders, are you running hotplug? |
| 19:31.40 | brullo | mijndert, unstable? 2.6? |
| 19:31.41 | gsnedders | paulproteus|!apt: unex na012 |
| 19:31.53 | gsnedders | jdhutchin1: 2.6 |
| 19:31.54 | mijndert | ah ok :) i had some problems gettings it to work on Ubuntu (haven't got the mp3 libs by default??) well thnx for your time brullo |
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| 19:32.04 | mijndert | etch brullo :) 2.6 |
| 19:32.05 | ubuntu_ | well that didn't help |
| 19:32.17 | fredl- | bah |
| 19:32.20 | brullo | mijndert, ubuntu? what is that? can you chew it? |
| 19:32.25 | mijndert | lol |
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| 19:32.31 | gsnedders | paulproteus|!apt: i don't have an idea why it isn't being detected |
| 19:32.41 | gsnedders | jdhutchin1: what is hotplug? |
| 19:32.46 | Dasnipa` | lol |
| 19:32.49 | mijndert | so debian etch has mp3 support by default, great :D |
| 19:32.58 | fredl- | it's my f'ing ATI video card that's cauding me problems I guess. |
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| 19:33.12 | brullo | mijndert, mp3 is an ancient protocol there days dude ;-) |
| 19:33.15 | gsnedders | I'm just running standard 2.6 linux with it installed as a fileserver |
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| 19:33.38 | jdhutchin1 | gsnedders, look up the name of the module that is the driver for your card, and modprobe that module |
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| 19:33.46 | paulproteus|lapt | gsnedders: Try installing hotplug. It's a hardware autodetection program. |
| 19:33.57 | mijndert | i know brullo :-) but that stupid Ubuntu haven't got it, that's the cause of my question |
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| 19:34.03 | chealer | mijndert, that only depends what exactly you mean by "default" |
| 19:34.07 | Daedalus_ | does non-free not exist anymore? |
| 19:34.13 | gsnedders | jdhutchin1: i've done that, yet still no show |
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| 19:34.27 | Daedalus_ | if so, we should update dpkg's notion of non-free |
| 19:34.29 | paulproteus|lapt | mijndert: Mind you, you can apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad for MP3 support in Ubuntu. |
| 19:34.32 | jdhutchin1 | gsnedders, are there any messages in dmesg? |
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| 19:34.40 | mijndert | i know i know :) |
| 19:34.42 | concept10 | What is the asterisk behind VirtualHost * in Apache for? |
| 19:34.46 | paulproteus|lapt | mijndert: Okay. :) |
| 19:34.47 | gsnedders | paulproteus|!apt: where can I get hotplug, seeming I have no internet connection because the eth0 card doesn't work |
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| 19:34.53 | paulproteus|lapt | gsnedders: That's sad. :) |
| 19:34.54 | brullo | mijndert, this is a debian channel...please ask in Ubu... |
| 19:34.56 | jdhutchin1 | gsnedders, apt-get install hotplug |
| 19:34.57 | parityflag | hello people |
| 19:35.00 | stjepan | how do you pronounce FAQ? :D |
| 19:35.01 | paulproteus|lapt | gsnedders: Try packages.debian.org/hotplug |
| 19:35.01 | stjepan | clear |
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| 19:35.44 | dontlog | lookin for the merry m0rons of openlogger.com, good ideea dude :) |
| 19:35.54 | gsnedders | jdhutchin1: how do I see if there are any messages dnesg? |
| 19:35.57 | Daedalus_ | stjepan: eff-aye-kew, or some people say "fac" |
| 19:36.03 | jdhutchin1 | gsnedders, dmesg | less |
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| 19:36.26 | factor | does unstable have a ffmpeg dev? |
| 19:36.40 | mijndert | Ok :) I'm going to install debian etch! thanks for your time all |
| 19:36.42 | paulproteus|lapt | gsnedders: Run the program "dmesg" at the command line. |
| 19:36.45 | gsnedders | brb - moving monitor over to x86 box |
| 19:37.00 | psychonate | I can normally scroll just fine in Eterm with my middle mouse button, but when I run 'screen' in Eterm I can no longer use the middle mouse button to scroll. |
| 19:37.09 | alexscott | bs say t'es un boulet rumpl |
| 19:37.14 | psychonate | Is there anyway to get my mousewheel working in Eterm + screen? |
| 19:37.17 | kaktus | brullo: Found out that the module was called snd-cs4236, but it couldn't locate it! |
| 19:37.21 | parityflag | I have some question: My system is debian sid. I wanted to install the latest skype debian package, but due to the C++ ABI translation, some libraries etc. were renamed. I have installed it with dpkg --force-all and its working well! But now the whole dependency system cant upgrade. can I ignore the skype package somehow from being checked? |
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| 19:37.26 | factor | ! ffmpeg |
| 19:37.27 | dpkg | Get ffmpeg from the same place you get mplayer |
| 19:37.40 | paulproteus|lapt | parityflag: Boy, that sounds sad. |
| 19:37.44 | paulproteus|lapt | parityflag: Here's my idea: |
| 19:37.52 | paulproteus|lapt | parityflag: Keep that package *out* of the package management system. |
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| 19:38.00 | paulproteus|lapt | parityflag: If you still have the pacakge somewhere, do: |
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| 19:38.06 | paulproteus|lapt | alien --to-tgz package.deb |
| 19:38.08 | paulproteus|lapt | dpkg -r package |
| 19:38.12 | brullo | kaktus, hmm..maybe you have to download it...google for it |
| 19:38.33 | parityflag | paulproteus|lapt: ok. installing the tgz doesnt harm the system? |
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| 19:38.43 | paulproteus|lapt | parityflag: /me gets an idea |
| 19:38.50 | paulproteus|lapt | *then*: alien -d package.tgz |
| 19:38.54 | paulproteus|lapt | And now its dependencies are gone. |
| 19:38.56 | paulproteus|lapt | (I think.) |
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| 19:39.05 | fredl- | great, looks like barely any hardware is detected properly on this system :( |
| 19:39.06 | brullo | kaktus, locate snd-cs4236 ? |
| 19:39.07 | paulproteus|lapt | parityflag: Just be sure to check that package for upgrades from Skype. |
| 19:39.09 | kaktus | is the extention on modules *.deb ? |
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| 19:39.19 | paulproteus|lapt | kaktus: .ko |
| 19:39.24 | paulproteus|lapt | fredl-: Try installing hotplug. |
| 19:39.27 | parityflag | paulproteus|lapt: thank you very much |
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| 19:39.31 | paroneayea | anyone had any problem in debian getting their wacom tablet to draw in the gimp? |
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| 19:39.38 | paulproteus|lapt | parityflag: It's a good idea, I know. ;) Thank me when it works. |
| 19:39.39 | paroneayea | like... the driver works, it seems |
| 19:39.39 | fredl- | paulproteus - it's installed. |
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| 19:39.54 | jaaro | I have bridged eth0, eth1 (as br0), however hping2 (for sending custom packets) doesn't work on bridge. I'd like to know if it's (and how) possible to bind eth1 to another address (without the need to remove it from bridge). |
| 19:39.58 | fredl- | paulproteus - booted from the Ubuntu live CD |
| 19:40.13 | paroneayea | but I can't draw... unless I put it in window mode, which sucks and makes me have to close my wm |
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| 19:40.39 | PrideF | Thanks, brullo , mp3burn worked like a charm the first time. that's what I get for relying on a GUI tool (k3b) for doing a simple task... |
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| 19:40.45 | brullo | kaktus, I can find them in /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/sound/usa/cs423x/ |
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| 19:41.11 | gsnedders | jdhutchin1, paulproteus|!apt, hotplug is installed, and nothing that looks related in dmesg |
| 19:41.23 | brullo | PrideF, k3b is great! |
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| 19:41.23 | PrideF | :) when it works? sure ;) |
| 19:41.30 | brullo | PrideF, ;-) |
| 19:41.32 | Mike_L | hello |
| 19:41.44 | PrideF | later |
| 19:41.53 | mike^^^^ | Can someone help me install debian on my Hp laptop it hangs when asking for the keyboard map |
| 19:42.07 | factor | why does ffmpeg not have a dev package? |
| 19:42.11 | johhny | Is it possible to use sed to find a text pattern and have it display that line + the line below it? |
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| 19:42.28 | izik | hello , i bought digitel book ( ebook in pdf format ) from amazon , now i was able to open it on my windows , but it seems like when i entering to the site that should d/l the file from linux it just doesnt work |
| 19:42.33 | izik | anyone have idea how can i make adobe ebook work on linux"? |
| 19:42.52 | Cheikh | i need big help please i cant boot |
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| 19:43.17 | valdyn | factor: why should it? |
| 19:43.29 | valdyn | factor: why should there be a ffmpeg-dev? |
| 19:43.47 | factor | so vlc will work while compiling |
| 19:44.09 | factor | need to recompile but cant until I get the ffmpeg-dev |
| 19:44.21 | valdyn | factor: you probably need something else, ffmpeg isnt more than binary executables, where a -dev package would be pointless |
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| 19:44.34 | psychonate | Can anyone recommend a good terminal app with tabbing besides gnome-terminal and konsole (something not tied to a DE)? |
| 19:44.42 | brullo | johhny, man sed :-) |
| 19:44.52 | valdyn | factor: you could try 'apt-get build-dep vlc' |
| 19:44.59 | johhny | brullo: Yeah, and man regex. I'm already there and it's not working |
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| 19:45.02 | gsnedders | anyone know anything about my problem with an unex na012, modprobe doesn't find it, hotplug is installed and I'm on the 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:45.17 | fredl- | ok guys, got a question... is it hard to downgrade from unstable to stable? |
| 19:45.17 | gsnedders | and nothing in dmesg |
| 19:45.27 | valdyn | fredl-: very |
| 19:45.28 | dontlog | register and be blogged all over the internet.. in an effort to somehow spread weird information and make getting help on the internet a thing of the past openlogger.com |
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| 19:45.36 | fredl- | damn... |
| 19:45.38 | factor | valdyn :let see |
| 19:46.11 | brullo | fredl-, vmware... |
| 19:46.15 | fredl- | and is it hard to find out a previous state of a system (pre- the last apt-get dist-upgrade) and go back? |
| 19:46.29 | fredl- | brullo - vmware doesn't detect a whole range of my hardware. |
| 19:46.41 | johhny | fredl-, Wipe the system |
| 19:46.50 | valdyn | fredl-: read /var/log/dpkg.log and take your conclusions from there, or just restore from backup |
| 19:46.51 | paulproteus|lapt | Cheikh: I'm sorry to hear that. |
| 19:46.55 | paulproteus|lapt | Cheikh: Did you used to be able to boot? |
| 19:47.01 | paulproteus|lapt | Cheikh: Or is it a new install that can't boot? |
| 19:47.09 | factor | valdyn :yeah no ffmpeg which is why I need to recompile. |
| 19:47.18 | gsnedders | anyone on my problem? |
| 19:47.23 | factor | but that command would have worked, but got me to where I was at. |
| 19:47.35 | Mike_L | is this channel moderated? |
| 19:47.37 | fredl- | valdyn - that's a start. |
| 19:47.40 | fredl- | thanks. |
| 19:47.43 | Cheikh | yes i used to be able to |
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| 19:48.35 | fredl- | for unstable it would be nice to have some sort of rollback mechanism. Anybody working on that? |
| 19:48.49 | fredl- | (other than restoring from backup :) |
| 19:48.54 | gsnedders | anyone? |
| 19:49.02 | chealer | !tell fredl- about downgrade |
| 19:49.10 | brullo | fredl-, snapshot sort of? |
| 19:49.16 | wathek | !tell wathek about dpkg |
| 19:49.16 | paulproteus|lapt | Cheikh: What did you do since? |
| 19:49.23 | paulproteus|lapt | Cheikh: What error do you get now? |
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| 19:49.54 | zweideutig | Do CPUs need fans? |
| 19:50.04 | thingfish | most do. |
| 19:50.11 | fredl- | or really big fins. |
| 19:50.20 | Cheikh | i was configuring my udev i did touched fstab file and lilo.conf |
| 19:50.25 | brullo | zweideutig, how fast is it and what other hardware you got in there? |
| 19:50.27 | valdyn | zweideutig: not at all, they need to be kept from overheating |
| 19:50.30 | fredl- | or a refrigerator. |
| 19:50.38 | zweideutig | I have a 133 MHz Pentium CPU I clocked down to 100 MHz. |
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| 19:51.08 | thingfish | I'd say your heat worries should be minimal. |
| 19:51.17 | paulproteus|lapt | zweideutig: It probably comes with a heatsink, which is fine. |
| 19:51.17 | zweideutig | Good. |
| 19:51.19 | johhny | I love ubuntu |
| 19:51.31 | jhaig | It is possible to use totem as a plugin for firefox? |
| 19:51.32 | paulproteus|lapt | johhny: That's nice, and I do, too, but this is #debian, right? :) |
| 19:51.34 | zweideutig | johhny: Then go there. |
| 19:51.37 | johhny | </troll> |
| 19:51.37 | alekzandr | i am having some wierd problems with my debian sarge server, cpu usage was high, i stopped apache, mysql and zope, then restarted the server, and now the entire /var folder is empty, no /var/logs /var/qmail, etc, any ideas what might have happened? |
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| 19:51.53 | zweideutig | johhny: Ubuntu is a stupid name for a Debian fork. |
| 19:51.54 | paulproteus|lapt | alekzandr: Uh, yikes. |
| 19:51.57 | wathek | how can I know which packages are installed ? |
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| 19:52.04 | bbrazil | wathek: dpkg -l |
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| 19:52.06 | paulproteus|lapt | wathek: dpkg --list , I think. |
| 19:52.07 | wathek | yes |
| 19:52.08 | wathek | thanx |
| 19:52.15 | paulproteus|lapt | alekzandr: Uh, see if there's gobs of junk in /lost+found . |
| 19:52.17 | alekzandr | the drives are ext3 |
| 19:52.22 | johhny | So much hatred for people that help debian |
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| 19:52.33 | johhny | Like packaging x.org for starters |
| 19:52.34 | alekzandr | lost+found is empty |
| 19:52.38 | paulproteus|lapt | alekzandr: Also, run "badblocks /dev/hda" (if the hard drive is hda). |
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| 19:52.41 | Cheikh | Paul do u mind taking a look here http://pastebin.com/387404 |
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| 19:52.47 | stjepan | well, FAQ is not beautiful name :D Some people may pronounce it "fuck" or "fuck you" :D :( |
| 19:52.48 | paulproteus|lapt | Cheikh: I think I can handle it. :) |
| 19:52.52 | zweideutig | johhny: Don't mention ubuntu. |
| 19:52.55 | alekzandr | it is hda, |
| 19:53.04 | paulproteus|lapt | "My unmentionable wife, Queen Lisa." |
| 19:53.05 | johhny | whatever |
| 19:53.08 | paulproteus|lapt | "Don't! Mention! Lisa!" |
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| 19:53.28 | alekzandr | another odd thing, the who command gives no output |
| 19:53.31 | Cheikh | ok thanks |
| 19:53.32 | Mike_L | ffodder: hey |
| 19:53.37 | paulproteus|lapt | alekzandr: Please, check out /lost+found . |
| 19:53.39 | paulproteus|lapt | And run badblocks. |
| 19:53.45 | brullo | alekzandr, what does chkrootkit say? |
| 19:53.46 | paulproteus|lapt | /var is important. |
| 19:54.00 | fredl- | why not mention ubuntu?? |
| 19:54.01 | wathek | I love Debian |
| 19:54.02 | wathek | :d |
| 19:54.09 | RedBeard | anyone wanna field a linux software raid question? |
| 19:54.17 | fredl- | is ubuntu 'bad' around here? |
| 19:54.24 | alekzandr | lost+found is completely empty |
| 19:54.27 | gsnedders | anyone know anything about my problem with an unex na012, modprobe doesn't find it, noting in dmesg, hotplug is installed and I'm on the 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:54.27 | K_Dallas | it is irrelevant |
| 19:54.32 | chealer | RedBeard, anyone is quiet these days |
| 19:54.38 | Mike_L | why can't ffodder type to the channel? |
| 19:54.39 | Shadda` | hmm, actually, I should ask here...Any of you know any cheapo vps providers with debian (preferably sarge) |
| 19:54.41 | RedBeard | fredl-, never used it |
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| 19:54.46 | RedBeard | chealer, heh, ya |
| 19:55.03 | RedBeard | I'm upgrading from raidtools to mdadm |
| 19:55.07 | K_Dallas | fredl-, #ubuntu has a great support |
| 19:55.07 | jhaig | K_Dallas: It's not a elephant, it's a hedgehog |
| 19:55.08 | brullo | gsnedders, is there a module for it? |
| 19:55.18 | fredl- | I installed Ubuntu on my laptop to just try it out. Seems fine to me and could well serve a good purpose. |
| 19:55.22 | gsnedders | brullo: ne2k-pci |
| 19:55.23 | parityflag | paulproteus|lapt: alien worked very well! it's just a bit weird... first the .deb depends on some libraries, tgz doesnt of course, and then the new .deb does again, but not the same ;) |
| 19:55.31 | sandman | I installed Ubuntu once. Then I uninstalled it. |
| 19:55.52 | zweideutig | sandman: Exactly. |
| 19:55.54 | brullo | gsnedders, modrobe refuses to insert the module? |
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| 19:56.02 | paulproteus|lapt | parityflag: :) |
| 19:56.15 | paulproteus|lapt | parityflag: That's hilariously... hilarious! |
| 19:56.16 | fredl- | the nice thing was that on my thinkpad it detected a lot more hardware automatically than any other distro I've seen. |
| 19:56.24 | sandman | e2fsck -c /dev/hda will check hda for badblocks and mark them, yes? |
| 19:56.25 | Mike_L | what's up with the mode on this channel? |
| 19:56.40 | kevin`_ | sandman yes |
| 19:56.45 | paulproteus|lapt | parityflag: That's really hilarious. I have to say, I'm impressed. |
| 19:56.54 | sandman | Is it really necessary to e2fsck -c -c /dev/hda ? |
| 19:57.07 | gsnedders | brullo: it gives all the info about the module |
| 19:57.08 | sandman | It said if I specify it twice, it'll do nondestructive read/write tests |
| 19:57.28 | kevin`_ | fsck would ever do a destructive test? |
| 19:57.48 | brullo | gsnedders, if modprobe cant mount your module/hardware I ave no clue what to do |
| 19:57.51 | bbrazil | kevin`_: if you ask it to |
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| 19:58.00 | kevin`_ | bbrazil O_o |
| 19:58.05 | kevin`_ | dangerous |
| 19:58.18 | bbrazil | kevin`_: a destructive write test is the best test of a HDD |
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| 19:58.32 | kevin`_ | bbrazil but on an existing filesystem? |
| 19:58.37 | kevin`_ | I could see it with mkfs |
| 19:58.40 | paulproteus|lapt | Cheikh: What error do you get? |
| 19:58.43 | bbrazil | kevin`_: obviously not :) |
| 19:58.51 | brullo | gsnedders, what kind of hardware is it? |
| 19:58.52 | pipeline | tarzeau: Ping |
| 19:58.57 | alekzandr | paulproteus|lapt lost+found is empty, i am running badblocks now |
| 19:58.57 | bbrazil | kevin`_: for possibly filing disks its useful though - with backups |
| 19:59.04 | gsnedders | brullo: unex na012 |
| 19:59.08 | xcrash | my laptop does not wake up on mouse movement or any other thing for that matter |
| 19:59.09 | sandman | And what exactly does e2fsck -c -k /dev/hda do? Doesn't that _not_ test bad blocks that are already marked? |
| 19:59.12 | sandman | And just appends new ones? |
| 19:59.24 | brullo | gsnedders, yeah...what is THAT? |
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| 19:59.27 | tarzeau | pipeline: pong |
| 19:59.27 | sandman | So it seems e2fsck -c -k /dev/hda might be the quickest method to fixing up my broken hdd |
| 19:59.27 | alekzandr | where does mysql store it's databases? |
| 19:59.33 | kevin`_ | sandman do you even have bad blocks listed? |
| 19:59.38 | sandman | kevin`_: Not atm. |
| 19:59.39 | RedBeard | alekzandr, /var/lib/mysql usually |
| 19:59.39 | mtgh | var/lib/mysql |
| 19:59.43 | kevin`_ | so don't use that |
| 19:59.43 | kevin`_ | ;) |
| 19:59.43 | sandman | kevin`_: But if I did, -k would be useful yes? |
| 19:59.48 | brs | good day fellows... I've got a problem.. i cant install sarge 3.1.. the setup fails after "detecting hadware" |
| 19:59.49 | kevin`_ | sandman yes |
| 19:59.49 | pipeline | tarzeau: So: C#, hopefully Mono, and GNUstep. Options, resources? |
| 20:00.06 | kevin`_ | sandman I wouldn't use such a hard drive for anything important |
| 20:00.07 | xcrash | is there some thing i have to enable in the kernel? |
| 20:00.07 | RedBeard | brs, what install method? |
| 20:00.07 | tarzeau | pipeline: GNUstep and Objective-C |
| 20:00.15 | tarzeau | pipeline: check the links at livecd.gnustep.org and #gnustep |
| 20:00.20 | brs | cdrom |
| 20:00.21 | kevin`_ | if there are ANY bad blocks, I would seek to replace it |
| 20:00.23 | Mike_L | can anyone see this? |
| 20:00.25 | gsnedders | brullo: all I know is a 10mb/s ethernet pci adapter, BNC+RJ45 and that it says D-Link on it |
| 20:00.29 | kevin`_ | Mike_L no |
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| 20:00.43 | Mike_L | kevin`_: ok. now why can't anyone see what ffodder types? |
| 20:00.43 | xcrash | any thoughts |
| 20:00.48 | paulproteus|lapt | gsnedders: Sounds like a realtek to me. |
| 20:00.53 | kevin`_ | ffodder? |
| 20:01.09 | Cheikh | Paul kernel panic |
| 20:01.11 | sandman | kevin`_: I already do. |
| 20:01.12 | brullo | gsnedders, hwinfo --network what does it say? |
| 20:01.23 | paulproteus|lapt | Cheikh: Oh, interesting. What does it say *precisely*? |
| 20:01.26 | sandman | kevin`_: But soon I will have gmailfs up and running, and I will put my important schtuph there. |
| 20:01.27 | Mike_L | kevin`_: yeah. it's my brother who wants to ask a question here |
| 20:01.28 | paulproteus|lapt | Have you upgraded your kernel lately? |
| 20:01.40 | kevin`_ | what's ffodder |
| 20:01.44 | kevin`_ | oh |
| 20:01.46 | Mike_L | kevin`_: a user's nickname |
| 20:01.46 | kevin`_ | a person |
| 20:01.46 | pipeline | tarzeau: Ah, but that's why I came to you. gnustep.org doesn't discuss cocoa# or my .NET options WRT GNUstep |
| 20:01.47 | kevin`_ | lol |
| 20:01.57 | Cheikh | not syncing no init found try passing init=option to kernel |
| 20:02.05 | gsnedders | brullo: hwinfo command not found |
| 20:02.06 | kevin`_ | perhaps color codes are blocked |
| 20:02.09 | kevin`_ | but I can't test that |
| 20:02.15 | tarzeau | pipeline: you want to ask #gnustep about mono and cocoa# |
| 20:02.24 | tarzeau | pipeline: do you have any reason to go with mono or cocoa#? |
| 20:02.26 | Mike_L | kevin`_: he's using irssi from Debian |
| 20:02.29 | brullo | gsnedders, install... |
| 20:02.34 | tarzeau | pipeline: i mean objective-c is perfect, ain't it? |
| 20:02.37 | paulproteus|lapt | I think you needed an init ram drive. |
| 20:02.45 | gsnedders | brullo: /me brain is slow now :P |
| 20:02.49 | RedBeard | ciao guys |
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| 20:03.25 | pipeline | tarzeau: I loathe ObjC. I'm not saying ObjC is bad, it's just not my thing. As for the mono choice, well, I like mono better than Pnet. |
| 20:03.32 | brullo | gsnedders, Ok, then I will not tell you what sned means in Swedish :-) |
| 20:03.33 | pipeline | tarzeau: C++, on the other hand, is just a bad language. |
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| 20:03.41 | cyzie | i want to extract a particular file in .tar.gz . what is the command to achieve my objective? |
| 20:03.54 | tarzeau | cyzie: tar |
| 20:03.55 | kevin`_ | tar zxfv file |
| 20:03.59 | kevin`_ | er I mean |
| 20:04.00 | kevin`_ | man tar |
| 20:04.10 | brs | good day fellows... I've got a problem.. i cant install sarge 3.1.. the setup fails after "detecting hadware". My installation method - cdrom. whats myabe worng?? |
| 20:04.27 | gsnedders | brullo: package "hwinfo" not found, and i can't install it from the internet because of the lack of any internet connection |
| 20:04.31 | paulproteus|lapt | brs: Are you sure the CD is good? |
| 20:04.45 | brs | yes... its good |
| 20:04.57 | Cheikh | paul did u see the error |
| 20:05.02 | mtnman | brs: hard to tell w/out at least an error message. |
| 20:05.08 | brullo | gsnedders, moment 22 |
| 20:05.11 | petemc | gsnedders: have you looked in dmesg? you can also cat /proc/ioports and /proc/iomem , see if its mentioned there |
| 20:05.23 | tchino | how can I partitionade my harddisk with a konsole-commando in debian, i have a second harddisk, what i want to mirror my system |
| 20:05.39 | MustangMatt | brs: I had that problem and I exchanged it for a different CDROM drive and it went away. What sort of hardware are you installing on? |
| 20:05.39 | gsnedders | petemc: not in dmesg - i'll have a look there |
| 20:05.42 | gsnedders | bullo: eh? |
| 20:05.43 | brullo | gsnedders, can you route it internally or use some other moveable medium? |
| 20:05.45 | mtnman | tchino: i suggest you read the hard-disk upgrade mini howto. |
| 20:05.51 | kevin`_ | tchino is it the same size? |
| 20:06.25 | brullo | gsnedders, you have no NIC at all in the box? |
| 20:06.38 | petemc | tchino: sfdisk, or if you want a straight clone you could use dd |
| 20:06.41 | mtnman | tchino: the command to partition a disk in console is fdisk or cfdisk |
| 20:07.00 | gsnedders | brullo: what's NIC? |
| 20:07.07 | MustangMatt | gsnedders: Network card |
| 20:07.09 | kevin`_ | network interface card |
| 20:07.17 | mtnman | tchino: the hard-disk upgrade mini-howto will be enlightening for your disk cloning. |
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| 20:07.46 | gsnedders | brullo: the network card is the problem... and no spares here :( all i have is some CD-RWs |
| 20:08.02 | lemur | several programs (like emacs and gnucash) are failing because of missing fonts...is there a package I can install? it seems pretty basic |
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| 20:08.09 | mtnman | gsnedders: network cards can be had for a little as $5 |
| 20:08.09 | lemur | or maybe something is being left out of my xconfig file |
| 20:08.19 | brullo | gsnedders, first problem solved then...now lets hope you do not get a billion depencies for hwinfo |
| 20:08.36 | kevin`_ | my god, I have 105 modules loaded |
| 20:08.41 | paulproteus|lapt | lemur: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 20:08.46 | paulproteus|lapt | That will give you the basics. |
| 20:08.49 | paulproteus|lapt | kevin`_: Egad! |
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| 20:08.55 | tchino | kevin`_: mtnman: it siad unable to open hdc |
| 20:09.00 | mtnman | x-window-system-core is basic |
| 20:09.07 | tchino | mtnman: it siad unable to open hdc |
| 20:09.22 | petemc | tchino: dmesg|grep hd |
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| 20:09.26 | mtnman | tchino: did you check all connectors? |
| 20:09.44 | kevin`_ | did you set it up in bios, if required |
| 20:09.47 | mtnman | tchino: you may also need to adjust jumpers on hdc |
| 20:10.01 | brs | this is my logs: "Oct 8 21:19:44 (none) syslog.err klogd: cramfs: wrong magicOct 8 21:19:50 (none) syslog.warn klogd: Unable to identify CD-ROM format.Oct 8 21:20:48 (none) syslog.warn klogd: VFS: Can't find ext2 filesystem on dev fd(2,28).Oct 8 21:20:49 (none) syslog.err klogd: cramfs: wrong magicOct 8 21:20:55 (none) syslog.warn klogd: Unable to identify CD-ROM format. " |
| 20:10.02 | lemur | paulproteus|lapt: ah yes, that appears to do the trick |
| 20:10.12 | brullo | gsnedders, you can download the hwinfo.deb from http://packages.debian.org for your releaseversion |
| 20:10.14 | fredl- | hmmm |
| 20:10.15 | lemur | paulproteus|lapt: will I have to restart my x server for the programs to find the fonts? |
| 20:10.32 | tchino | petemc: hda: WDC WD300AB-00BVA0, ATA DISK drivehdb: WDC WD800BB-00CAA0, ATA DISK drive hdd: Maxtor 6Y080L0, ATA DISK drive |
| 20:10.36 | fredl- | I downgraded my X server and it at least does something again... |
| 20:10.48 | fredl- | however it won't find my fglrx modules |
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| 20:10.53 | petemc | tchino: theres your answer |
| 20:11.09 | petemc | gsnedders: did you try what i said? |
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| 20:11.17 | kevin`_ | gsnedders ISO is ISO |
| 20:11.45 | brs | "cramfs: wrong magic " -- wtf?? |
| 20:11.46 | gsnedders | petemc: lost your message in a zillion others, 2 min |
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| 20:12.01 | nme_ | just thinking.. is it grub on debian-sarge install cd? is it possible to make my grub look like that one? |
| 20:12.05 | kevin`_ | brs looks like corruption |
| 20:12.14 | tchino | petemc: and when i do cfdisk hdd, it says: FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive |
| 20:12.16 | kevin`_ | or not enough mana |
| 20:12.26 | bbrazil | kevin`_: nice |
| 20:12.32 | brs | corruption of what |
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| 20:12.40 | brs | hdd& |
| 20:12.41 | jackhead | who * |
| 20:12.43 | jackhead | oops |
| 20:12.46 | kevin`_ | the cramfs image, guess |
| 20:12.52 | fredl- | shit, it's so clumsy not having a browser anymore. |
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| 20:13.39 | fredl- | I'm trying to re-install my fglrx .deb and it gives a coflict with xlib-mesa-gl |
| 20:13.48 | klemzi | can somebody tell me where do i specifie IP in gmail config ? |
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| 20:13.57 | brs | i cant exec none of partitution uttilits from console... |
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| 20:14.06 | brs | libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: |
| 20:14.17 | tchino | petemc: must i mount it before |
| 20:14.38 | gsnedders | petemc: all i have is a "PCI conf1" in /proc/ioports - could easily be my video card |
| 20:14.38 | mar_garina | I wanna create a cache-repository for my home LAN (4 debian machines fetching the same packages all the time) - can anybody give me a hint? I've found nothing related. |
| 20:14.38 | mtnman | tchino: no |
| 20:14.52 | bbrazil | mar_garina: apt-cache, squid |
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| 20:15.04 | tchino | mtnman: and why it says: FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive, when i do cfdisk hdc |
| 20:15.10 | petemc | gsnedders: and iomem, dmesg? |
| 20:15.27 | gsnedders | petemc: nothing in either |
| 20:15.32 | mtnman | tchino: have you checked all connectors? is hdc listed in the output of dmesg? |
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| 20:15.55 | tchino | mtnman: i mean hdd |
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| 20:16.18 | mar_garina | bbrazil: 10x, will be reading |
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| 20:16.34 | brs | i can mount any parts of hdd from console but from deb. installer etherithing fails.. |
| 20:16.38 | tchino | mtnman: yes it listed in the output of dmesg: hdd: Maxtor 6Y080L0, ATA DISK drive hdd: attached ide-disk driver. hdd: 160086528 sectors (81964 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=158816/16/63, UDMA(33) |
| 20:16.41 | mtnman | tchino: try cfdisk /dev/hdd |
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| 20:17.00 | Technel | Hello |
| 20:17.02 | mtnman | tchino: did you read the manpage for cfdisk? |
| 20:17.06 | tchino | mtnman: yes, thanks |
| 20:17.30 | mtnman | tchino: if you had read the manpage you would have answered your own question... :) |
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| 20:18.41 | fredl- | hah! |
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| 20:19.10 | Technel | I installed Debian Sarge on a partition alongside WinXP. I had it install GRUB, and it worked fine. I went into the config file and changed the time it takes for the auto-select-OS to function. But now, for some reason, when I start my computer it just says "GNU Grub v0...", a short paragraph about this being a command line, and "grub>" |
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| 20:19.22 | Technel | Why isn't GRUB working? |
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| 20:19.48 | kevin`_ | well technically, it IS working.. |
| 20:19.54 | fredl | well I got my xwindows to work again |
| 20:20.00 | Technel | kevin`_: Why isn't it working the way I want it to? :) |
| 20:20.15 | Technel | I can't use regular BASH commands either, like cd or ls |
| 20:20.21 | mtnman | technel: because you are not giving the correct instructions |
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| 20:20.33 | Technel | And I tried the command "load" and it says the kernel is not loaded |
| 20:20.33 | fredl | but, this is rather odd. Somehow my fglrx-driver package had gone missing |
| 20:20.44 | valdyn | !xwindows |
| 20:20.45 | dpkg | it has been said that xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 20:20.48 | Technel | mtnman: What do I do from the point I am at to give it proper instructions? |
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| 20:21.14 | kevin`_ | hmm I don't know how to use grub with an initrd |
| 20:21.22 | Technel | mtnman: It was working until I edited the config file, perhaps it didn't save or something and it is blank? |
| 20:21.23 | mtnman | technel: i would suggest you check tldp.org for a howto for installing windoze and linux on the same drive. |
| 20:21.37 | mtnman | technel: or read the grub docs. |
| 20:21.48 | Technel | mtnman: I have run a dual boot several times, I have no problem with setting it up, I just need to figure out th eproblem with GRUB |
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| 20:21.51 | kevin`_ | Technel a blank config file would do that |
| 20:21.59 | Nick0r | hi guys, is there somewhere i can forward emails to if I don't want them anymore? |
| 20:22.05 | zweideutig | In the event of a hardware failure, I would like my computer to continue running. |
| 20:22.05 | mtnman | technel: read the grub docs? |
| 20:22.10 | Nick0r | in a .qmail file, putting the contents as /dev/null doesnt work |
| 20:22.16 | kevin`_ | Technel kernel /path/to/image appended_crap |
| 20:22.22 | kevin`_ | boot |
| 20:22.39 | valdyn | Technel: you are at grubs prompt b/c it obviously cannot parse your menu.lst. you can enter everything needed to boot your system there |
| 20:22.41 | Technel | kevin`_: Where would the image be? |
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| 20:22.52 | kevin`_ | Technel tab completion works |
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| 20:22.57 | kevin`_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.02 | zweideutig | How can I prevent a reboot when a CPU fan fails? |
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| 20:23.06 | fredl | I have funny fonts now.... |
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| 20:23.11 | Technel | valdyn: How do I get it to re-generate the file? |
| 20:23.16 | tchino | mtnman: what type is ext3 -> linux? |
| 20:23.20 | kusumanchi | I asked this on #kde and got no response. Trying my luck here. Using Debian unstable + KDE 3.4.2. When I run vncviewer, and press alt-tab, I want the windows to cycle inside the vncviewer. Is there any way to achieve this? |
| 20:23.22 | valdyn | zweideutig: ask your mainboard vendor or check your bios i guess |
| 20:23.24 | fredl | interesting... |
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| 20:23.30 | mtnman | tchino: i do not understand the question |
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| 20:23.58 | tchino | mtnman: i want to choose the filesystem type, i want ext3 |
| 20:23.59 | fredl | well, laterz |
| 20:24.10 | valdyn | Technel: you cant just 'regenerate' a file, but you could reinstall grub |
| 20:24.14 | mtnman | tchino: for what? |
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| 20:24.28 | valdyn | Technel: or you could just manually revert the changes you made |
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| 20:24.48 | Nick0r | hi guys, is there somewhere i can forward emails to if I don't want them anymore? |
| 20:24.49 | Nick0r | in a .qmail file, putting the contents as /dev/null doesnt work |
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| 20:24.53 | tchino | mtnman: cfdisk |
| 20:25.05 | valdyn | Technel: but your real problem right now is to boot your system, isnt it? |
| 20:25.06 | zweideutig | I am operating in a very dusty enviroment. |
| 20:25.06 | tchino | mtnman: type ext3, what number is that therew |
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| 20:25.30 | mtnman | tchino: scroll til you see it |
| 20:25.36 | adz | anyone know the correct package name to apt-get php |
| 20:25.38 | mtnman | i think 83, but maybe 82 |
| 20:25.39 | Technel | valdyn: Correct, if I can do that, I can reinstall GRUB and get it fixed. I tried "kernel /boot/[tab]" and it came up with several things, but I don't think those are related |
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| 20:25.54 | adz | nm |
| 20:25.57 | kevin`_ | vmlinuz? |
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| 20:26.09 | tchino | mtnman: there is only Linux extended, is that ext3 |
| 20:26.19 | kevin`_ | Technel you could type |
| 20:26.23 | mtnman | tchino: i don't remember |
| 20:26.31 | valdyn | Technel: enter "root (hd0,0)" ( replace hd0,0 with whatever your root partition is ) |
| 20:26.35 | Technel | kevin`_: That was one, yes |
| 20:26.38 | kevin`_ | cat /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:26.41 | kevin`_ | in grub |
| 20:26.48 | kevin`_ | and base your stuff off that |
| 20:26.50 | Nick0r | for some reason, my qmail is refusing to load the contents of emails |
| 20:26.53 | Nick0r | any ideas why? |
| 20:27.02 | Technel | kevin`_: So enter "root (hda1)" and then "cat /boot/grub/menu.lst"? |
| 20:27.05 | valdyn | kevin`_: oh, grub knows 'cat' ? neat |
| 20:27.14 | kevin`_ | Technel do not change root |
| 20:27.20 | valdyn | Technel: no, root (hd0,0) |
| 20:27.22 | kevin`_ | you are already on the right partition |
| 20:27.27 | kevin`_ | as /boot had stuff |
| 20:27.36 | Technel | yeah |
| 20:27.39 | tchino | does somebody know, what type is ext3 in cfdisk, which number??? |
| 20:27.55 | valdyn | tchino: its irrelevant |
| 20:27.57 | Technel | okay, let me try "root (hd0,0)" and "cat /boot/grub/menu.lst" |
| 20:27.58 | kevin`_ | tchino use "linux" |
| 20:28.02 | mtnman | tchino: if you run cfdisk, it lists all the types. you may need to scroll. |
| 20:28.04 | bbrazil | Technel: 82 - linux |
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| 20:28.16 | tchino | is 83 ext3 |
| 20:28.17 | kevin`_ | Technel you don't need root, but in a normal setup guess it won't hurt |
| 20:28.24 | tchino | is 82 ext3 ? |
| 20:28.29 | Technel | Partition type unknown, type 0x7 |
| 20:28.32 | bbrazil | 82 in linux |
| 20:28.38 | kevin`_ | 82 is linux |
| 20:28.40 | bbrazil | 80 is linux swap IIRC |
| 20:28.42 | kevin`_ | 83 is swap I think |
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| 20:29.02 | kevin`_ | er |
| 20:29.04 | kevin`_ | 82 swap |
| 20:29.08 | kevin`_ | 82 linux |
| 20:29.14 | mtnman | 83 is linux |
| 20:29.15 | tchino | no 83 is linux at my cfdisk |
| 20:29.17 | mtnman | 82 is swap |
| 20:29.24 | Tortel | ... |
| 20:29.59 | kevin`_ | I can't type |
| 20:30.01 | kevin`_ | :/ |
| 20:30.03 | mo1991 | can anyone help me with the hostap or wlan-ng drivers? I have tried both, compiled the modules for my kernel - used modprobe to install the modules which works - but still see no wlan0 or anything else in iwconfig |
| 20:30.27 | FngSaiYuk | I'm trying to figure out the boot process 'cuz none of the new kernel image packages are finding my disk controller at boot up |
| 20:30.28 | mtnman | mo1991: how about in ifconfig -a |
| 20:30.41 | FngSaiYuk | are there any good DETAILED resources for this? |
| 20:30.47 | adz | mo1991 type lspci or pcils to get the chipset |
| 20:31.03 | Technel | So what do I need to do? |
| 20:31.15 | FngSaiYuk | googling around hasn't gotten me very far and neither has the debian dox |
| 20:31.19 | kevin`_ | FngSaiYuk grub config, initrd (if any), /etc/inittab |
| 20:31.26 | valdyn | Technel: managed to cat your menu.lst ? |
| 20:31.38 | adz | then once you have the chipset see if it is supported natively |
| 20:31.56 | adz | if not you will have to find drivers or use ndiswrapper to wrap around the windows drivers |
| 20:32.03 | brullo | mo1991, wep or wpa on the AP? |
| 20:32.06 | FngSaiYuk | kevin`_: grub loads initrd, but initrd doesn't seem to see my disk controller and is unable to mount my fs |
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| 20:33.02 | Technel | valdyn: Yes. |
| 20:33.04 | mo1991 | brullo adz mtnman - this is a pcmcia smc2532w-b card - it works out of the box with the stock sarge 2.6 kernel with standard pcmcia drivers - trying to get it to work with the 2.4 kernel with no luck |
| 20:33.16 | mo1991 | ifconfig -a shows nothing. |
| 20:33.20 | kevin`_ | how do I find out which module/driver my network card is using |
| 20:33.29 | mtnman | mo1991: nothing? |
| 20:33.32 | mo1991 | I don't think lspci shows anything cause it's a pcmcia |
| 20:33.39 | mtnman | mo1991: wrong. |
| 20:33.42 | mo1991 | mtnman well, loopback and eth0 |
| 20:33.47 | mo1991 | my bad |
| 20:33.50 | mo1991 | nothing from the nic card |
| 20:33.53 | mtnman | mo1991: what is eth0? |
| 20:33.55 | valdyn | Technel: in there is what you need to type now. Search for the line starting with 'kernel' and copy the whole line |
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| 20:34.17 | mtnman | mo1991: some wireless cards are setup as ethx |
| 20:34.23 | brullo | mo1991, why 2.4? |
| 20:34.24 | mo1991 | my standard non wirless card that works |
| 20:34.39 | flazh | I have a problem with wlan Intersil ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow] I'm running sid. When i try to setup the wireless network with ndiswrapper everything works fine in the install but my network card won't work help anyone plz? :S |
| 20:34.40 | kaktus | Hi! Is it enough to install alsa to get my soundcard to work? Can't find the driver any place, just a referrance to alsa-base, so I suspect that the *.ko might be there |
| 20:34.43 | Technel | valdyn: It just says "Chainloader........Windows XP..." |
| 20:34.45 | mo1991 | brullo - using s self compiled 2.4.20 kernel to run finalscratch software |
| 20:34.48 | valdyn | Technel: looks like 'kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 ro console=tty0' |
| 20:34.55 | antgel | trying to suspend-to-disk on an oldish but acpi-compliant laptop. echo 4> /proc/acpi/sleep does nothing. does swsup2 need to be comipled in? i hear differing views. using 2.6.12 from sid. |
| 20:34.58 | kevin`_ | flazh ndiswrapper -l |
| 20:35.11 | valdyn | Technel: eh? nothing else? |
| 20:35.15 | kevin`_ | if the install worked 'fine' it would be working ;) |
| 20:35.19 | Technel | valdyn: Nope |
| 20:35.30 | mo1991 | brullo - this is what native instruments released it on originally 2.4.20 - and it seems to run best with it - uses less resouces than 2.6 kernel did for my lappy |
| 20:35.35 | valdyn | Technel: so your whole menu.lst is fucked appearantly |
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| 20:35.41 | kaktus | How do I set up this after I have installed alsa? |
| 20:35.45 | flazh | Installed ndis drivers: |
| 20:35.45 | flazh | prisma00 driver present, hardware present |
| 20:35.53 | maher | how do i map a keyboard key to mouse button 1? |
| 20:35.54 | valdyn | Technel: alright, your line should look about as i showed above |
| 20:36.10 | mo1991 | mtnman brullo - why would a modprobe work (for both hostap and wlan-ng) and modules show up in lsmod but show nothing in iwconfig |
| 20:36.18 | kevin`_ | flazh lspci |
| 20:36.22 | valdyn | Technel: the /vmlinuz part can be 'selected' with tab-completion |
| 20:36.22 | Technel | valdyn: Okay, so what do I do to fix the file? |
| 20:36.29 | kevin`_ | only pring the line that is the network card |
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| 20:36.31 | kevin`_ | print |
| 20:36.39 | mo1991 | adz - this chipset is prism |
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| 20:36.51 | kevin`_ | Technel rewrite it? |
| 20:36.53 | valdyn | Technel: why dont you wait till you fixed the problem at hand, then worry about fixing your menu.lst later |
| 20:36.53 | kaktus | can someone help me out with my soundcard? |
| 20:36.56 | flazh | 0000:00:0b.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow] (rev 01) |
| 20:36.56 | mo1991 | should work with hostap or wlan-ng |
| 20:36.57 | adz | ive looked at a couple of sites and it says its supported |
| 20:37.05 | adz | is that all it says prism |
| 20:37.14 | kevin`_ | isn't prism one of the few supported chipsets? |
| 20:37.20 | Technel | valdyn: Okay so I need to go to /boot/vm[tab]? |
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| 20:37.37 | antgel_ | not sure if anyone replied to me ^^, please respond again. was using vnc but bandwidth is pathetic tonight, so now using irssi locally |
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| 20:38.03 | valdyn | Technel: whatever 'go to' might mean.. |
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| 20:38.19 | kaktus | can someone help me out with my soundcard? |
| 20:38.38 | valdyn | Technel: try just '/boot/vmlinuz' at that spot in the line |
| 20:38.57 | valdyn | Technel: looks like 'kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 ro console=tty0' |
| 20:38.58 | Technel | valdyn: What do you mean at that spot in the line? |
| 20:39.28 | flazh | im very new at linux and need this card to work |
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| 20:39.32 | kaktus | brullo: Are you still able to give me some hints regarding the sound on my laptop? |
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| 20:40.13 | mo1991 | kaktus what's your soundcard problem |
| 20:40.18 | adz | http://www.ioi.knaw.nl/~heimel/computers/HowToInstallWireless.html that would probably be of some help doubt you would have to recompile the kernel though |
| 20:40.26 | SpongeBob | how can i see .svgz files? |
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| 20:40.42 | mo1991 | adz - was that to me? |
| 20:40.55 | adz | yeah |
| 20:41.08 | adz | basically a reference to prism drivers |
| 20:41.15 | kaktus | mo1991: I Can't find any drivers for my crystal 4237B card. Have heard that I can use snd-cs4236.ko, but that I had to install alsa. |
| 20:41.20 | Technel | valdyn: I guess I don't understand exactly what I need to do with /boot/vmlinuz* |
| 20:41.29 | kaktus | I have installed alsa now, but I have no idea what to do next |
| 20:41.29 | flazh | if someone could guide me with that i would be very happy? i got linux on my fujitsu siemens this weekend |
| 20:41.41 | valdyn | Technel: you just copy that line i typed above and hit enter |
| 20:41.48 | mo1991 | kaktus - did you do an alsaconf? |
| 20:41.53 | kaktus | nope |
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| 20:42.22 | brullo | kaktus, ok |
| 20:42.24 | Technel | valdyn: Well, it is on a different computer in a different room, but type "'kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 ro console=tty0'" ? without the four quotes? |
| 20:42.30 | mo1991 | adz - I'll check it out - I'm already recomiled this kernel a few times yesterday - using my own - but stock debian 2.4.27 doesn't work either |
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| 20:42.37 | valdyn | Technel: correct |
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| 20:42.50 | kaktus | The errormessage is as follows: No modules found. |
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| 20:43.10 | kaktus | "Would you like to probe for ISA/PCI cards?" |
| 20:43.22 | valdyn | Technel: after that 'initrd /boot/initrd.gz' ( or try to find your initrd with tab-completetion |
| 20:43.37 | brullo | kaktus, have you tried the corresponing module 'hwinfo --sound' output? |
| 20:43.40 | kaktus | "PRobing legacy ISA cards might make your system unstable." Yes or no question |
| 20:43.44 | Technel | valdyn: Bad directory name |
| 20:44.02 | tchino | on cfdisk is linux not ext3??? |
| 20:44.09 | kaktus | I have tried so, but it can't find anything |
| 20:44.21 | valdyn | Technel: that is an error message to which line? |
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| 20:44.26 | maher | tchino: the filesystem on the partition is completely independent of the partition id number |
| 20:44.34 | adz | k |
| 20:44.39 | Technel | valdyn: "kernel /boot/vmlinuz[tab] root=/dev/hda1 ro console=tty0" |
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| 20:44.55 | tchino | maher: but i want a type ext3 |
| 20:45.18 | maher | tchino: set the partitionid to anything mand use mkfs.ext3 on the partition |
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| 20:45.18 | brullo | kaktus, exactly what laptop do you have? |
| 20:45.20 | valdyn | Technel: what happens when you just type 'kernel /bo<tab><tab>' ? |
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| 20:45.38 | asuffield | tchino: the partition type field is utterly irrelevent if you aren't running windows |
| 20:45.39 | tchino | maher: how can i do this |
| 20:45.52 | mo1991 | adz - not really sure that I want to install this prism driver when the wlan-ng drivers are known to work? |
| 20:46.01 | maher | tchino: use mkfs.ext /dev/hda1 if you want to make an ext3 fs on hda1 |
| 20:46.06 | kaktus | brullo: I have a Dell latitude D300XT |
| 20:46.34 | maher | does anyone know how to map keyboard keys to mouse buttons? |
| 20:46.34 | Technel | valdyn: It shows that vmlinuz file again, config-XXXXXXXXXX (with numbers/letters), grub, and a few other files |
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| 20:46.52 | Technel | valdyn: When I hit tab, that vmlinuz came up with a bunch of zeros after it, so it exists :\ |
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| 20:47.03 | Technel | I mean numbers |
| 20:47.08 | kaktus | I tried to probe for legacycards, but got an error "no module by that name found" |
| 20:47.23 | valdyn | Technel: so enter its complete name in that place |
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| 20:48.04 | Technel | valdyn: I did, I used tab completion |
| 20:48.31 | tchino | maher: in which package is mkfs |
| 20:48.32 | valdyn | Technel: ..and it still gives that error message? |
| 20:48.47 | Technel | valdyn: I will try again to make sure i didn't make a typo |
| 20:48.48 | brullo | kaktus, http://hardware.mcse.ms/archive42-2005-1-124574.html |
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| 20:49.34 | adz | im not sure either i just figured u install the drivers for ur card never used wlan-ng either soz |
| 20:49.55 | valdyn | Technel: ok, fix that line, add a suitable initrd line 'initrd /boot/initrd<tab>tab>' ( the ending 'numbers' have to fit your vmlinuz ending above ) and use 'boot' after that in a new line to boot your system |
| 20:49.59 | Technel | valdyn: Must have been a typo. Now it says something in brackets |
| 20:50.39 | maher | tchino: e2fsprogs |
| 20:52.01 | Technel | valdyn: Alright, Linux booted. What do I need to do to fix the menu.lst file so I don't have to do this every time? Can I do like "apt-get reinstall grub*"? |
| 20:52.13 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 20:52.13 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 20:52.34 | valdyn | Technel: use what dpkg tells above to reinstall grub, possibly run 'update-grub' after that |
| 20:53.20 | Technel | valdyn: Okay, it didn't boot all of the way. It had a Kernel panic. "Can not open /dev/console: No such file" |
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| 20:53.39 | valdyn | Technel: you gave the wrong initrd? |
| 20:53.52 | Technel | valdyn: There was only one initrd file in the directory... |
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| 20:54.16 | sylvisj | Alright, I'm putting debian on my ever-faithful AMD64 machine. What version is for AMD64 cpu's? |
| 20:54.18 | valdyn | Technel: did it fit to your vmlinuz ? |
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| 20:55.15 | Technel | valdyn: All I did was the kernel and initrd commands, then b oot |
| 20:55.22 | cheal | * Remove Andres Salomon from the Uploaders field, at his request. Thanks for all your work on the PHP packages, Andres, now fix our kernel bugs. |
| 20:55.24 | cheal | heh |
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| 20:55.41 | sylvisj | Hey, guys, what version of Debian is for Athlon64 cpu's? |
| 20:55.42 | valdyn | Technel: yea, but did the initrd given fit to your vmlinuz you specified? |
| 20:55.52 | valdyn | sylvisj: i386 |
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| 20:56.00 | SimonRaven | !amd64 |
| 20:56.00 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 20:56.04 | valdyn | sylvisj: if you know what you're doing /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 20:56.12 | sylvisj | Thx. |
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| 20:57.37 | valdyn | Technel: /dev/console is actually searched and if things are alright found in that initrd file you specify |
| 20:57.47 | yer | debian stable, linux 2.6.8-2-k7, gphoto2 2.1.5, libgphoto2 2.1.5, libgphoto2_port 0.5.1, sony cyber-shot DSC P41 in PTP mode, works just fine with gphoto2 -P under linux 2.4.x, but under 2.6.x i get "Could not find USB device (vendor 0x54c, product 0x4e)" any ideas? |
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| 20:58.25 | Technel | valdyn: Both of the files are the same version, I looked |
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| 20:58.37 | Technel | 2.4.7-x-xx |
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| 20:58.42 | sylvisj | Is there an official 64bit version for Debian? |
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| 20:59.03 | sylvisj | I know there is for Gentoo, not sure about Debian, can't find the AMD64 image here... |
| 20:59.07 | yer | !amd64 |
| 20:59.07 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 20:59.41 | sylvisj | Thx. |
| 21:00.30 | Technel | valdyn: So if both are the same version, why won't the boot run properly? |
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| 21:01.04 | yer | sooooo who wants to shed some light on my camera problem |
| 21:01.25 | valdyn | Technel: i dont know what's wrong with your system then |
| 21:01.37 | valdyn | Technel: but didnt you say you had several kernels installed? |
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| 21:02.23 | Barnes | what kind of ftp server support crypto on filetransfer and login? |
| 21:02.24 | hramrach | I had to use devfs=mount to get /dev/console. But it worked before I copied the system to the new disk :S |
| 21:02.24 | Technel | valdyn: I didn't say that, I just used the standard Debian Net Install. In fact, it didn't even ask me which kernel to use. If I recall corectly, my last Debian install did :\ Unless that was Slackware |
| 21:02.25 | sylvisj | I hope the AMD64 version beats the x86 one to hell. |
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| 21:02.46 | hackeron | how do I check a drive for bad sectors? |
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| 21:03.05 | secher | are we in overflow? |
| 21:03.08 | valdyn | Technel: see what hramrach said, insert that at the end in the line with vmlinuz |
| 21:03.10 | hackeron | (preferably while its still mounted) |
| 21:03.19 | hramrach | hackeron: smatmontools |
| 21:03.22 | r0xoR | how do i specify fonts other than the standard "xfontsel" type fonts... isn't there some like xfs:"Font Name" syntax too? what was that? |
| 21:03.25 | r0xoR | hackeron, sup |
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| 21:04.26 | sylvisj | Does anyone here know how much better AMD64 ver of Debian is than the x86 one? |
| 21:04.37 | Technel | valdyn: "devfs=mount" ? |
| 21:04.39 | valdyn | sylvisj: negligible outside special applications |
| 21:04.45 | secher | !better |
| 21:04.45 | dpkg | hmm... better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 21:04.46 | valdyn | Technel: yea |
| 21:05.15 | maher | sylvisj: fpr most people its worse because it has more bugs and some things don't copile on it |
| 21:05.18 | hackeron | hramrach: I had it running, and then my drive suddenly went tits up, no warnings other than a repeated one I had for 3 years. |
| 21:05.24 | sylvisj | Valdyn: How so? The larger ISA's and such should give about a 10% performance increase.. |
| 21:05.32 | hfly | how do I connect vnc from debian to a windows host ? |
| 21:05.49 | sylvisj | Maher: Are you sure? |
| 21:05.58 | maher | sylvisj: but if you need the amd64 you'll know why you need it |
| 21:05.59 | hramrach | hackeron: but you can tell there are bad sectors from the smartctl report |
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| 21:06.16 | sylvisj | Maher: I want it to make use of my 64bit cpu. |
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| 21:06.28 | secher | Is there a utility to test NICs? i.e. I seem to have a hosed NIC, but dmesg is showing no errors, and the link lights are on. It's recieving packets but not sending them it seems. |
| 21:06.38 | valdyn | sylvisj: there's no direct benefit from that, and beside that where needed 32 bit intel cpus already have registers up to 128 bit |
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| 21:06.58 | hramrach | hackeron: of course, it won't tell you anything if you do not look |
| 21:07.00 | sylvisj | Valdyn: Xeons, IIRC. |
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| 21:07.01 | cheal | hfly: by having a configured server on the windows host and a client on debian |
| 21:07.13 | valdyn | sylvisj: any cpu supporting sse2 |
| 21:07.14 | hackeron | hramrach: I was monitoring syslog as thats where it was logging errors |
| 21:07.27 | Doctor__ | hi all, how can i install debian from iso images on my hard drive? |
| 21:07.32 | maher | sylvisj: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 21:07.32 | sylvisj | Valdyn: All K8 cpu's and most almost all K7's as well. |
| 21:07.43 | sylvisj | It's on my browser, Maher. |
| 21:07.56 | Technel | valdyn: I did "kernel /boot/vmlinuz[tab] root=/dev/hda1 ro console=tty0 devfs=mount", but it still has a kernel panic |
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| 21:08.27 | hramrach | hackeron: unless it is reporting changes in state it is not that useful. The vendor limits are usually very low and the drive gets unusable before it goes below the limits. |
| 21:08.28 | sylvisj | K8 > P4. |
| 21:08.43 | maher | sylvisj: well did you read the bit about openoffice not being ported and having to run it in a 32 bit chroot? |
| 21:08.51 | valdyn | Technel: ok, no idea what is wrong there. |
| 21:08.51 | sylvisj | That's fine. |
| 21:09.07 | hackeron | hramrach: it did report changes in state, same change on all drives for 3 years :) |
| 21:09.16 | sylvisj | That's just one program that isn't 64-bit stable. |
| 21:09.19 | Technel | valdyn: Is it possible to boot with my debian net install disk and use APT to fix the package? |
| 21:09.23 | valdyn | Technel: maybe you should skip that console=tty0 part, but really i dont know |
| 21:09.35 | bwana147_ | hi there |
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| 21:09.45 | hackeron | hramrach: Nov 21 01:42:19 server smartd[7791]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 7 Seek_Error_Rate changed from 100 to 200 |
| 21:09.57 | hackeron | hramrach: and then back to 100 |
| 21:09.58 | valdyn | Technel: you can boot your install disk, mount your debian installation, chroot to it and do whatever, yea |
| 21:10.02 | bwana147_ | anybody knows what happened to the printing feature of Gimp? |
| 21:10.12 | psychonate | I was just wondering the same thing. |
| 21:10.17 | maher | bwana147_: on testing? there is some snafu |
| 21:10.24 | psychonate | there *was* a package called gimp-print |
| 21:10.25 | psychonate | afaik |
| 21:10.34 | bwana147_ | maher: on testing yes |
| 21:10.57 | bwana147_ | psychonate: afaik, gimp-print is a collection of high quality printer drivers |
| 21:11.01 | Technel | valdyn: Dropping console=... didnt work |
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| 21:11.14 | maher | bwana147_: afaik ols gimp print stuff got removed before the new gimp print stuff propogated from unstable |
| 21:11.20 | maher | s/ols/old |
| 21:11.28 | mo1991 | just compiled pcmcia_cs source to modules for my kernel - where should the resulting .deb show up? Normally shows up in /usr/src but not there - any ideas? Perhaps something went wrong, looks like it worked tho |
| 21:11.37 | psychonate | ah, that sucks |
| 21:11.47 | kaktus | What's the command in vim for exiting after writing something in a file? :Q wouln't work since I've bin using "insert" button to edit the file :P |
| 21:12.08 | valdyn | kaktus: <Esc>:x |
| 21:12.12 | hramrach | hackeron: Then they are all weird. iirc seek error rate was alway constantly maximum for me. |
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| 21:12.32 | Technel | valdyn: What would you recommend I do now? |
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| 21:12.43 | darcam | hello |
| 21:12.50 | valdyn | Technel: use the debian installer |
| 21:13.00 | bwana147_ | maher: so printing in Gimp should be available again RSN ;-) ? |
| 21:13.02 | roby | I am considering purchasing a 300GB SATA drive, 2.6 kernel will support it? |
| 21:13.13 | hramrach | hackeron: what is the limit for your drive? |
| 21:13.13 | darcam | can i ask some help about packet collision? |
| 21:13.20 | valdyn | roby: if it supports your sata interface, sure |
| 21:13.21 | tarzeau | roby: so will 2.4 |
| 21:13.26 | asuffield | roby: it's controllers that are supported, not drives |
| 21:13.28 | hackeron | hramrach: err, didnt really touch the configuration. How do I check? |
| 21:13.30 | tarzeau | darcam: shoot |
| 21:13.36 | hramrach | roby: depends on the controller |
| 21:13.37 | darcam | tnx :) |
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| 21:13.37 | maher | bwana147_: i assume so - read the bugs / look at the gimp packages in unstable |
| 21:13.46 | Technel | valdyn: Use the debian installer to do what? |
| 21:13.55 | bwana147_ | thx |
| 21:14.01 | darcam | i'm newb in debian (and linux) |
| 21:14.06 | tarzeau | !newb |
| 21:14.06 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 21:14.08 | hramrach | hackeron: smartctl -a /dev/hda | less |
| 21:14.14 | jaaro | I generate udp broadcast targetted on specified port. And I'd like to pass that packet into the remote network? How can I do this? |
| 21:14.17 | valdyn | Technel: i already said that above. valdyn> Technel: you can boot your install disk, mount your debian installation, chroot to it and do whatever |
| 21:14.18 | roby | valdyn: asuffield: hramrach: are most controllers supported or only specific ones, I have to purchase a pci one since my MB does not support it |
| 21:14.25 | darcam | i'm trying upgrade my debina with apt-get upgrade |
| 21:14.29 | asuffield | 'most', not all |
| 21:14.46 | darcam | but is so slowly |
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| 21:14.59 | tarzeau | darcam: the internet? the harddisk? |
| 21:15.04 | darcam | because i have many packet collision |
| 21:15.04 | hackeron | hramrach: 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 253 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 |
| 21:15.06 | jaaro | i've thought about iptables port forwarding, however I don't know what to do on the remote side. I'd require some sort of forwarding (or repeating) |
| 21:15.12 | tarzeau | darcam: how slowly? |
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| 21:15.17 | valdyn | roby: many are supported, but you really want to make sure you *know* its supported. |
| 21:15.19 | jaaro | probably |
| 21:15.30 | tarzeau | darcam: wrong network configuration? bad cable? |
| 21:15.32 | darcam | i try to explaing |
| 21:15.32 | Squarepants | how can i diminish a window/application to the system tray in KDE?? |
| 21:15.38 | roby | valdyn: k |
| 21:15.54 | darcam | with winxp i have not problem |
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| 21:16.04 | darcam | but with debian... |
| 21:16.12 | hackeron | hramrach: btw, is there a good howto about smartd somewhere, its all very confusing and my drive is totally broken, even the bios cant detect it with no prior errors :( -- only saw smartd cant test drive after the drive just shut itself off :) |
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| 21:16.35 | darcam | i see my hub |
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| 21:16.51 | hramrach | hackeron: if the limit is 50 and you went from 200 to 100 you are more than halfway - you get the idea |
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| 21:16.58 | darcam | that encrease the download for one second |
| 21:17.13 | darcam | and after light the collision |
| 21:17.35 | darcam | and reencrease the download from zero |
| 21:17.50 | asuffield | broken network card |
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| 21:18.01 | asuffield | strip the box down, remove the rtl8139, put a real card in it |
| 21:18.04 | darcam | i was clear to explain tarzeau? |
| 21:18.04 | kaktus | brullo: I read the page, very much useful info, but I think I physically miss the file |
| 21:18.04 | hackeron | hramrach: well, the columns are 'ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE' - which one is limit? :) |
| 21:18.08 | sylvisj | Will the IA64 version of Debian work on an AMD64 system? |
| 21:18.14 | Squarepants | how can i diminish a window/application to the system tray in KDE?? |
| 21:18.14 | valdyn | sylvisj: no |
| 21:18.26 | asuffield | sylvisj: completely unrelated platforms |
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| 21:18.31 | hramrach | hackeron: TRESH |
| 21:18.34 | sylvisj | Valdyn: Didn't think so. I know, both 64-bit though. Oh well. |
| 21:18.47 | darcam | tarzeau? |
| 21:18.49 | kaktus | Is this file available in alsa-base? When I run alsaconf, it can't find any cards |
| 21:18.56 | tarzeau | darcam: look what asuffield said |
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| 21:19.09 | hramrach | hackeron: I do not use smartd but I guess understanding the output of smartctl is a good start |
| 21:19.14 | darcam | ok |
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| 21:19.36 | sylvisj | Am I stuck with the x86_64 version on my Athlon64 or will another that is less of a PITA work? |
| 21:19.49 | valdyn | sylvisj: i386 |
| 21:19.54 | asuffield | sylvisj: i386 runs just fine |
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| 21:20.58 | xxxxxxxx | good night everybody |
| 21:21.13 | valdyn | sylvisj: amd64 is just hosted elsewhere, its certainly not a 'bad' port or a 'PITA' |
| 21:21.15 | kaktus | brullo: Are you still able to help me? |
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| 21:21.37 | darcam | asuffiled said broken card? |
| 21:21.43 | xxxxxxxx | i've compiled the kernel through make-kpkg --initrd....could you tell me where's the initrd.img file? |
| 21:21.45 | hackeron | hramrach: hmm, ok so the limit is 051, makes sense. OK, going to google around I guess, just a bit disappointed that it didnt let me know there was even something potentially wrong with my drive (well, short of giving me seek jumps of 100 up/down for 3 years on all drives, lol) |
| 21:21.47 | sylvisj | Valdyn: I meant setting up the 32bit CHROOT |
| 21:22.17 | hramrach | hackeron: btw what kind of drive is it? |
| 21:22.22 | valdyn | sylvisj: i see, i used a complete i386 debian install to chroot to |
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| 21:23.04 | sylvisj | Alright. That probably would save time. |
| 21:23.06 | mo1991 | No rule to make target `/usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make - trying to compile pcmcia_cs modules - anyone know what this error means |
| 21:23.08 | mo1991 | ? |
| 21:23.10 | _pitombera_ | i need help with mysql.. somebody can help me? |
| 21:23.21 | hackeron | hramrach: IDE Western Digital 120GB 7200RPM |
| 21:23.32 | xxxxxxxx | hey guys, do you read me? |
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| 21:23.39 | hramrach | ah |
| 21:23.40 | hackeron | hramrach: loud mfo :) |
| 21:23.52 | maher | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.56 | kaktus | xxxxxxxx:good night |
| 21:24.03 | darcam | xxxxxxx i read you but i cant realy help you |
| 21:24.07 | _pitombera_ | i need doing a replication on mysql... what de conf for allow acess to other machine? |
| 21:24.25 | maher | xxxxxxxx: sorry - i mean its automatically geberated when yo install the deb |
| 21:24.29 | hramrach | I'd stay away from WD. There are always more problems than usual with WDs, at least for me |
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| 21:24.37 | xxxxxxxx | maher, i've not any .deb file, apart the old compiled one |
| 21:24.55 | sylvisj | hramrach, I've heard the same about Maxtor, and I'm running a 2x 250gb maxtor system right now, with no problems. |
| 21:24.56 | maher | xxxxxxxx: if you use make-kpkg it either made a deb or didn't work |
| 21:25.11 | kschulen | ok i am using debian sarge 3.1 with xfree86....i want to change it to xorg...how do i do that? |
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| 21:25.19 | respa | hey, my "/ and ?" key doenst work.. my keyboard is abnt2 and is set to abnt2, and every key is working properly but slash one.. what can this be? just broke? |
| 21:25.27 | valdyn | kschulen: why would you do that? |
| 21:25.32 | microsys | hihi |
| 21:25.34 | xxxxxxxx | ok maher,but would it generate a NEW .deb file?i can see only the old one...:-( |
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| 21:25.55 | darcam | tnx for help |
| 21:26.04 | sylvisj | !amd64 |
| 21:26.04 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 21:26.05 | hramrach | sylvisj: yes, all drives contain moving parts which causes problems. It's just for me the WD ones cause problems more often. ymmw |
| 21:26.06 | kschulen | val:xfree will not allow me to use my laptops lcd with my intel 910 chipset...it only allows me to use an external monitor |
| 21:26.08 | darcam | but i think my rlt8139 is |
| 21:26.08 | mo1991 | oh, i didn't have dpatch installed |
| 21:26.13 | darcam | good |
| 21:26.41 | darcam | my rlt8139 goes well win winxp |
| 21:26.42 | valdyn | kschulen: http://www.backports.org/ has a link to xorg packages for sarge |
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| 21:27.00 | Caelum | my udev doesn't seem to be creating a /dev/dsp, how do I debug that? |
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| 21:27.29 | darcam | peraps maybe not good the driver used for debian |
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| 21:27.46 | valdyn | Caelum: maybe that error has nothing to do with udev? |
| 21:27.47 | hackeron | hramrach: well, I donno, I still have a WD 20GB from like 1995 which works great, and looking at the reliability survey on storagereview.com, they come out looking as something pretty reliable. Latest models do afterall get a 5 year warranty. |
| 21:27.52 | xxxxxxxx | maher.......? |
| 21:27.55 | valdyn | Caelum: using alsa? |
| 21:28.01 | Caelum | valdyn: udev creates devices like /dev/dsp |
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| 21:28.03 | Caelum | valdyn: yes |
| 21:28.28 | valdyn | Caelum: /dev/dsp isnt an alsa device, try 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' |
| 21:28.31 | darcam | goodnight |
| 21:28.57 | xxxxxxxx | maybe does the make-kpkg overwrite the old .deb file? |
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| 21:29.05 | Caelum | valdyn: it's loaded |
| 21:29.15 | hackeron | hramrach: hell, these days I go for samsung for silence and maxtor for that little bit more storage, but I cant really say my WD experience was nearly as bad as my IBM drives experience for instance :) (had the famous 60GB IBM that had a failure rate of like 80% due to major manufacturing cockup) |
| 21:29.27 | valdyn | Caelum: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 21:29.43 | hackeron | hramrach: had it replaced 5 times before giving up, GRR! |
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| 21:29.50 | hramrach | That's hard to tell about new models. In my experience WD drives are quite noisy, and some of the older models won't work as master or in UDMA. |
| 21:29.51 | sylvisj | Damnit. I lost the link to the AMD64 distro. |
| 21:29.58 | factor | does anyone know where I can get the libfaad2-0 dev stuff from in deb package? |
| 21:30.00 | valdyn | !tell sylvisj -about amd64 |
| 21:30.07 | factor | ! faad |
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| 21:30.11 | Caelum | valdyn: strange, udev doesn't seem to be running since there's a MAKEDEV in my /dev |
| 21:30.11 | paulproteus|lapt | decklin: Hi! This is Asheesh, your mentee. |
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| 21:30.31 | valdyn | Caelum: that doesnt mean that udev isnt running |
| 21:30.33 | nimak | im trying to compile linux-wlan-ng, i get a load of missing file errors |
| 21:30.44 | hramrach | I had to reinstall a few computers because the drives lose some bits during UDMA transfers. |
| 21:30.53 | cromd | i'm getting "/dev/dsp does not exist" type errors when trying to use multimedia, and it seems to exist /dev, sound was working last login, does anyone here know what principles are at play here? |
| 21:31.03 | sylvisj | Valdyn: Thx, got it now. |
| 21:31.04 | hackeron | hramrach: oh, for sure, I had that experience also, damn they're noisy! -- I guess sound polution is the first sign of a bad quality product :) |
| 21:31.12 | kschulen | can anyone help me with getting the i910 working right with xfree86 on debian sarge without having to change to xorg? |
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| 21:31.52 | Thanatermesis | how to look if the maintainer of a package has a high activity ? exist a "log" of the last works in a package or similar ? |
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| 21:32.07 | nimak | how should i compile it? |
| 21:32.21 | cromd | s/seems to exist \/dev/seems to exist _in_ \/dev |
| 21:32.59 | Caelum | valdyn: doing ./MAKEDEV sound didn't help... aumix says "error opening mixer". Another strange thing, if I boot with init=/bin/sh everything works fine |
| 21:33.18 | kaktus | valdyn: Are you able to help me out with my soundproblem on my Dell latitude D300XT |
| 21:33.18 | sylvisj | I can't wait for M2 |
| 21:33.24 | valdyn | Caelum: you didnt 'cat /proc/asound/cards' yet |
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| 21:33.39 | ebw | Hi everybody |
| 21:33.52 | Caelum | valdyn: oh damn, it says no cards, weird. When I booted with init=/bin/sh it listed them properly... |
| 21:33.59 | ebw | What was the name of the package including the dpkg tools to build a kernel package? |
| 21:34.04 | Caelum | valdyn: the modules are loaded |
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| 21:34.34 | konrad_ | Is there an interruption that prints the ascii representation of a number in a register, like AX, to the screen? |
| 21:34.42 | Caelum | kaktus: do you know the chipset? do lspci -vvv as root |
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| 21:35.49 | Stereo | hello folks |
| 21:36.57 | SimonRaven | hi |
| 21:36.58 | cromd | anyone au fait with soundcards with Sarge? |
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| 21:37.18 | cheal | cromd: anyone is pas au fait pantoute |
| 21:37.41 | cromd | any one is anything but cheal :) |
| 21:37.43 | PoPnow | when using mysql that comes with mysql package, how I set mysql to listen to network connection, when I do nmap it doesn't show me any open port on 3306 |
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| 21:38.19 | sandman | What would require more wattage to power, an AMD Athlon T-Bird 950MHz or a Pentium 3 550MHz system (slotted cpu) |
| 21:38.26 | sandman | the tbird is socketed |
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| 21:38.50 | cheal | actually, I'd like to have an anyone bot here |
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| 21:39.06 | cheal | just having a user would make typing it quicker |
| 21:39.11 | Stereo | I'm having a problem with broken packages in etch with a third-party repository. The mythtv package I'm trying to install requires libqt3-mt, which is replaced by libqt3c102-mt, which I have. Should I fool my system into thinking libqt3-mt is installed, and if yes how? |
| 21:39.20 | greglev | sandman, i would guess the p3 would be worse. those slotted ones were horrible |
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| 21:39.29 | sandman | greglev: Really? By how much? |
| 21:39.32 | cromd | LOL |
| 21:39.44 | hackeron | sandman: get a transmeta and get an wattage to power rating a good factor of 5 better than both of them :) |
| 21:39.52 | cromd | be more God-like cheal, write one |
| 21:39.59 | greglev | sandman, you can find that info exactly from both intel's and amd's sites. i don't have a link, but know i've looked at detailed prod specs from both sites that include power usage. |
| 21:40.21 | cheal | Stereo: no |
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| 21:41.07 | SimonRaven | Stereo: the c102 is the older C++ package, FYI. so act accordingly |
| 21:41.09 | Stereo | cheal: what should I do then? |
| 21:41.16 | Stereo | ah |
| 21:41.19 | Schiz0 | How do I find out what resolution I'm running in? |
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| 21:41.31 | cheal | Stereo: recompile, or find other binary packages |
| 21:41.33 | SimonRaven | xdpyinfo |
| 21:41.44 | Stereo | I'll try to do that |
| 21:41.45 | sylvisj | Schiz0, you can check your monitor's setup. It shoudl tell you. |
| 21:41.52 | Stereo | maybe ubuntu has mythtv packages |
| 21:41.56 | Stereo | dpkg: mythtv? |
| 21:41.57 | dpkg | hmm... mythtv is software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. http://www. mythtv.org, Sid/Sarge and woody packages can be found at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ ...apt-get install mythtv-suite. see <bttv> and I<ivtv> for tuner card drivers |
| 21:42.15 | Stereo | that's the repository I have :/ |
| 21:42.25 | kschulen | anyone have any exoerience with the i910 drivers in sarge 3.1 and xfree86? I am unable to get my internal LCD display to work with this driver although it works with an external monitor |
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| 21:42.31 | cromd | cheal, have you come accross the /dev/dsp device lack of existance failure before? |
| 21:43.00 | cheal | cromd: no |
| 21:43.14 | cheal | kschulen: is it you that was asking about that this week? |
| 21:43.19 | winXpert | hi |
| 21:43.43 | cromd | thanks anyway cheal |
| 21:43.47 | winXpert | i have run into a problem im hosting an Act database in a debian based os an it is gone |
| 21:43.56 | winXpert | it is empty |
| 21:44.36 | kschulen | cheal: yeah i tried etch and it worked but not much else did =P i figured sarge is a better bet aslong as i can get the lcd display to work or atleast display properly |
| 21:44.47 | winXpert | any suggestions on what can i do to retrieve |
| 21:44.48 | cheal | kschulen: ah. |
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| 21:45.14 | cheal | kschulen: that's a good sign anyway. did you try asking on a mailing list? |
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| 21:46.45 | kschulen | cheal: not yet i figured i would try here one more time....cause i can get the damn thing to work just for some reason the lcd will not display right |
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| 21:47.10 | yer | ok! you guys! wow. omg. it works... kinda |
| 21:47.32 | yer | gphoto2 doesnt work unless its run as root |
| 21:47.34 | winXpert | last thing that was done was an integrity check on the file system if that makes any difference.. |
| 21:48.03 | greglev | winXpert:: what did that result in? |
| 21:48.03 | yer | is there a device i can chown/chmod to allow users to use my camera, or should i setuid root gphoto2 binary? |
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| 21:48.31 | greglev | winXpert:: the integrity check that is... |
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| 21:48.58 | Gandalf_SX1 | Hello there, is anyone having a problem with mysql-server latest update on his server? mine is running at 100% each 10 mns and it needs to be restarted |
| 21:49.03 | winXpert | it finished no errors.. but file is missing.. |
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| 21:49.42 | greglev | winXpert:: have you searched for whatever file you're missing. maybe it was mved somehow |
| 21:50.47 | winXpert | searching now |
| 21:51.08 | kschulen | cheal: the driver i have gotten for the i910 is off of intels site....could that be the prob? is there some other place that has it that might be better built? |
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| 21:51.45 | Gandalf_SX1 | it's running as an R process with VIRT 119 Mb i don't understand why |
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| 21:52.45 | cheal | kschulen: ah. it's a video driver that adds to the X drivers list? |
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| 21:53.41 | kschulen | cheal: yeah |
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| 21:54.39 | Thunderb1rdSix | Newbie question, and I know that the responses vary, but in general is there any advantage to installing and running Debian as opposed to Ubuntu, which is Debian-based? I know that's like asking if there is any advantage to chocolate over vanilla, but am curious if there are dramatic advantages like # packages available etc. Thx |
| 21:54.46 | winXpert | greglev, is there a way that the file was moved to a specific directory ? |
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| 21:54.58 | winXpert | a default location for corrupted files? |
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| 21:55.23 | greglev | winXpert :: lost+found possibly... i don't know for sure tho |
| 21:55.26 | mrwill | hey, so I'm moving from one debian server to another, and before the 'default' hostname was localhost, and now it's localhost.localdomain, what's up with that? |
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| 21:56.18 | xnet | has anyone else experienced slow reaction from realplayer 10 (helix)? |
| 21:56.30 | thingfish | !tell Thunderb1rdSix about why debian |
| 21:56.30 | mrwill | is there are way to change that value? I'm not sure where it is stored. |
| 21:56.46 | Gandalf_SX1 | Thunderb1rdSix: If you want a server go ahead for Debian, if you want a desktop go ahead for Ubuntu, that's how i use them both on 2 diff PCs, Debian is very good server software while ubuntu is far more better for a desktop distro |
| 21:57.08 | Gandalf_SX1 | anyone here running debian server please? |
| 21:57.10 | greglev | mrwill :: it shouldn't matter. if you want to make just localhost available, edit /etc/hosts and add localhost after localhost.localdomain if it is not there |
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| 21:57.34 | SimonRaven | i use debian for both. this used to be an ubuntu box |
| 21:57.43 | Thunderb1rdSix | Gandalf_SX1: Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you kind sir/madam |
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| 21:58.08 | Gandalf_SX1 | Thunderb1rdSix: Your welcome and i'm a man :D |
| 21:58.10 | Gandalf_SX1 | lo |
| 21:58.12 | Gandalf_SX1 | lol * |
| 21:58.21 | xnet | is there a faster alternative than helix for realplayer? |
| 21:58.40 | Thunderb1rdSix | Eh well, you have to be gender non-specific these days...LOL |
| 21:58.48 | kschulen | cheal: so ya got any idea on how to get it working? |
| 21:59.10 | Gandalf_SX1 | Thunderb1rdSix: LOL yea :D |
| 21:59.23 | cheal | kschulen: no, but it's not really surprising if it's a third-party driver |
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| 21:59.39 | Gandalf_SX1 | anyone with a debian server around plz? i need help... |
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| 21:59.46 | SimonRaven | just ask |
| 21:59.52 | greglev | Gandalf_SX1 :: what do you need? |
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| 22:00.18 | en1gma | im glad u asked |
| 22:00.20 | Thunderb1rdSix | Now back to struggling to get the DWL-650+ Linksys WLAN card to work so I can have wireless access on Ubuntu... Sigh. I bought it on ebay because it said it worked with Linux but aparently there are different flavours of the 650... |
| 22:00.25 | Gandalf_SX1 | greglev: after the latest updtae of my server (a week ago) mysql always hanging, it runs with an R process and CPU is 100% |
| 22:00.30 | Caelum | blah, the government is still fucking up my sound modules |
| 22:00.32 | Gandalf_SX1 | i have to restart it everywhile and so |
| 22:00.37 | en1gma | i need someone who can help me get my pda working as a modem so i can LEAVE windows |
| 22:00.42 | en1gma | this is crazy |
| 22:01.20 | streuner | Thunderb1rdSix: #ubuntu |
| 22:01.29 | BlackZarak | Thunderb1rdSix: what rev is your card? |
| 22:01.41 | greglev | Gandalf_SX1 :: not sure what would cause that. have you looked through mysql channels / forums? |
| 22:02.09 | Gandalf_SX1 | greglev: i tried #mysql but no one alive there.. i mean they are all away apparently no one replied |
| 22:02.16 | BlackZarak | Thunderb1rdSix: most of the bigger companies like d-link, netgear and 3-com have started to phase out their once linux friendly cards |
| 22:02.22 | mo1991 | sed: can't read debian/pcmcia-modules/DEBIAN/preinst: No such file or directory |
| 22:02.35 | mo1991 | I get this while compiling the pcmcia_cs modules |
| 22:02.38 | mo1991 | any ideas? |
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| 22:02.49 | en1gma | has anyone got a PPC working as a modem with deb yet? |
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| 22:03.40 | Thunderb1rdSix | streuner: thx. will do. |
| 22:03.51 | en1gma | just ignore me then |
| 22:03.52 | en1gma | shiat |
| 22:03.56 | mo1991 | streuner and ideas on my pcmcia_cs compilation errors? |
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| 22:04.00 | greglev | en1gma :: no, but that would be sweet. if you figure it, you should make a howto |
| 22:04.08 | Gandalf_SX1 | greglev : u have no ideas why it hang? it take a lot of ressources and it need 10 mns to clam down or /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
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| 22:04.28 | streuner | mo1991: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 22:04.29 | en1gma | greglev do you goto xda? |
| 22:04.49 | SimonRaven | en1gma: #debianppc |
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| 22:05.04 | greglev | pda? i have a treo |
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| 22:05.33 | Thunderb1rdSix | BlackZarak: Unless there's a way to determine it on OS-X, I'm' going to have to install ubuntu and run lspci -n to find out. I have the info from the back of the card, HW ver B4, F/W Ver 1.9.2.101 |
| 22:05.39 | en1gma | greglev i got the xv6600 |
| 22:05.44 | greglev | Gandalf_SX1 :: no, that sounds like a mysql config error. not sure what you can try....sorry |
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| 22:05.53 | en1gma | omg thnx for that channel im gonna check it |
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| 22:05.59 | en1gma | going now |
| 22:06.07 | microsys | streuner doesn`t this depend on policy? if i set 650 it would now reply wrong, wouldn`t it |
| 22:06.10 | Gandalf_SX1 | greglev : ok... thanks anyway |
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| 22:06.17 | aster | net |
| 22:06.24 | Tortel | guten tag |
| 22:06.25 | CrocoJet | does anyone knows how to convert .wma to .mp3 .. in linux ? |
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| 22:06.30 | winXpert | anyone else have an idea of where the files may go if they get corrupted? |
| 22:06.38 | SimonRaven | something to catch fish with |
| 22:06.43 | streuner | microsys: just run the command itself |
| 22:06.52 | BlackZarak | Thunderb1rdSix: you might want to google the card versions....howver B4 doesn't sound very promising =P |
| 22:07.15 | BlackZarak | Thunderb1rdSix: hopefully you don't have a broadcomm chipset +_= |
| 22:07.16 | greglev | winXpert :: if you're confident it not overwritten, you could forensic software to recover data. ftk, encase... |
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| 22:08.53 | Thunderb1rdSix | Ya, I know. This is like having root canal work done... |
| 22:08.56 | SimonRaven | @wb holycow |
| 22:08.57 | ravenbird | Welcome back holycow, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 22:09.00 | streuner | microsys: to tell you a secret, i just need grep 500 in order to know its testing or unstable, but sometimes you will get other results like sarge too with 2.6.5 libc6 ;-) |
| 22:09.05 | notty | hello, i am verry sorry but this is an offtopic question.. but i need some help at it, i have a samba server that shares some files, dose anyone now how windows users can login automaticly without typing there usernames and passwords every time they reboot ? because they tend to forget the passwords, (windows xp users) didin't find anything intersting on google about it. |
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| 22:09.34 | BlackZarak | Thunderb1rdSix: yeah ...painful eh! |
| 22:09.37 | microsys | but wouldn`t this return the wrong url if i have policy set to 450? |
| 22:09.40 | microsys | by pinning? |
| 22:09.48 | Thunderb1rdSix | dpkg: thx |
| 22:09.48 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 22:09.53 | SimonRaven | notty: time to train your users... |
| 22:09.55 | Stereo | notty: I think you can go into My Computer, explore the menus, find connect to server, mount the thing, and check a checkbox to remember the password |
| 22:09.57 | holycow | lol @ SimonRaven |
| 22:09.58 | Thunderb1rdSix | thingfish: thx |
| 22:09.59 | Stereo | in win2k at least |
| 22:10.16 | notty | Stereo: damn windwos forgets the password at reboot |
| 22:10.21 | streuner | microsys: sounds logic then to me, but most people don't use pinning... |
| 22:10.33 | microsys | i do *G* |
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| 22:10.55 | streuner | well :-) |
| 22:11.17 | concept10 | Is it possible to use VirtualHosts in apache with dynamic DNS? |
| 22:11.21 | microsys | btw. is *G* bold at your screen or ist it just my irssi? |
| 22:11.22 | notty | SimonRaven: that will give much of a headake |
| 22:11.31 | streuner | concept10: yes |
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| 22:11.52 | streuner | concept10: gallery.weda.mine.nu ;-) |
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| 22:12.21 | Tortel | how do you update a kernal? |
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| 22:12.31 | concept10 | streuner, Thanks are you using Apache 1 or 2? |
| 22:12.35 | SimonRaven | notty: do what Stereo said, if it works; sooner or later they'll have to find out that the BOFH isn't too pleased on continually resetting passwords, and they'll have to at least try to remember them... |
| 22:12.38 | SimonRaven | !kernal |
| 22:12.38 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 22:12.44 | Tortel | :P |
| 22:12.47 | streuner | concept10: 1 |
| 22:12.59 | NyteRukh | hello |
| 22:13.13 | concept10 | kernail |
| 22:13.28 | Stereo | quayrnal |
| 22:13.45 | concept10 | streuner, How do you define subdomains? |
| 22:14.03 | SimonRaven | kurnul |
| 22:14.03 | microsys | !vhost |
| 22:14.07 | streuner | concept10: via vhost in httpd.conf |
| 22:14.12 | microsys | been worth a try |
| 22:14.13 | microsys | ;P |
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| 22:14.27 | bucky | colonel |
| 22:15.01 | Tortel | damnit, how can i update it? |
| 22:15.09 | Tortel | i have 2.4.x now |
| 22:15.14 | Tortel | i would like 2.6.x |
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| 22:15.44 | bucky | apt-cache search kernel image - pick one and apt-get install |
| 22:15.48 | concept10 | say for example my dyndns address is blah.ath.cx - I dont understand how dyndns knows to point to a subdomain of super.blah.ath.cx |
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| 22:15.54 | jrr | where in menuconfig do they keep initrd? |
| 22:15.55 | nimakh | Tortel: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386? |
| 22:15.58 | bucky | apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 22:16.03 | Tortel | yay |
| 22:16.07 | microsys | the dyndns won`t know this |
| 22:16.17 | microsys | but they see bla.ath.cx |
| 22:16.17 | nimakh | if you have a 386 |
| 22:16.37 | microsys | send it to you, and your apache gets request to provide this.blah.ath.cx |
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| 22:16.47 | concept10 | microsys, it doesnt have to know that? just the vhost setup? |
| 22:17.08 | jrr | where in menuconfig do they keep initrd? |
| 22:17.26 | beardy | !repeat |
| 22:17.26 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:17.27 | Tortel | and a generic pentium 4 uses x86, right? |
| 22:17.36 | microsys | y should it, as long as it is on the same server you won`t need another dns-resolve |
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| 22:17.47 | concept10 | theres nothing like a cig and a cup coffee but I need to quit |
| 22:17.50 | jrr | sorry wrong chan |
| 22:17.51 | bucky | Tortel, 686 |
| 22:18.03 | microsys | ey me help me to phrase *hide* |
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| 22:19.14 | sandman | I hear IBM thinkpads are among the most solid laptops on earth, isn't that a bit much to say about a laptop? |
| 22:19.24 | sandman | Surely they're not _that_ great, right? |
| 22:19.40 | sandman | This statement was, of course, coming from a colleague who happens to own I think 2 of them. |
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| 22:21.37 | NyteRukh | mm |
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| 22:23.30 | jeff01 | can someone help me witha hard drive? i had an 80gig drive on an older machine where the bios couldnt handle it, so it recognized it as like 33 gigs. i moved it to a newer machine, but when i open a partition program, it doesnt show the extra 47 gigs |
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| 22:24.43 | streuner | concept10: weda.mine.nu/vhost.txt |
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| 22:25.49 | streuner | concept10: try it again |
| 22:25.53 | petryk | hello |
| 22:25.55 | concept10 | streuner, thanks ... |
| 22:25.59 | petryk | i have a problems with fonts |
| 22:26.00 | concept10 | streuner, refresh? |
| 22:26.05 | streuner | yes |
| 22:26.20 | streuner | ok, you got it |
| 22:26.23 | sandman | I'm looking for pointers as to what a good laptop to buy would be |
| 22:26.25 | streuner | 404 for favicon |
| 22:26.28 | petryk | i instal iso-8859-2 fonts |
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| 22:26.56 | streuner | concept10: you need to enable at dyndns the wildcard setting too |
| 22:27.00 | petryk | and .. dont show correct characters unter X11 |
| 22:27.10 | bsims | Bwhahaha pointless but amusing linux trick `sudo tail -f /var/log/messages|festival -tts` to have your logs read aloud |
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| 22:28.00 | concept10 | streuner, okay - one more question... where do you put the symlink? |
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| 22:28.20 | NyteRukh | k i downloaded firefox and installed it..how do i get a panel menu button to point to it an work |
| 22:28.56 | bsims | I dunno I just liked the idea of a room full of servers muttering to themselves |
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| 22:29.28 | NyteRukh | k looks like a slow nite |
| 22:29.39 | randomity | NyteRukh: KDE/GNOME? |
| 22:29.44 | NyteRukh | kde |
| 22:30.02 | streuner | concept10: heh? symlinks? |
| 22:30.04 | NyteRukh | i figured out what starts it..just want to start it without going into the file manager |
| 22:30.11 | randomity | click one of the funny up-arrows on the panel and click add application or somesuch |
| 22:30.35 | streuner | concept10: gallery 1 stores its images on the system without letting me know ;-) |
| 22:30.36 | hackeron | sandman: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ |
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| 22:31.14 | hackeron | sandman: basically, find something that matches your priorities, then visit that page |
| 22:31.24 | NyteRukh | mm no[e |
| 22:31.27 | NyteRukh | err nope |
| 22:32.37 | randomity | one of the menu options on the panel menu should do it. Sorry, but I'm not in kde now so I can't remember exactly |
| 22:32.40 | NyteRukh | i switched from gnome to kde..since it can handle my memory better |
| 22:32.44 | NyteRukh | mm |
| 22:33.41 | randomity | Currently, I'm using wmi. It's a kickass lightweight wm (i'm on a 1998 machine) |
| 22:34.29 | BlackZarak | it's all about bb ;) |
| 22:34.32 | cafuego | NyteRukh: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox; voial, menu item. |
| 22:35.04 | NyteRukh | ahh k..thn i can delete the one i downloaded and installed. |
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| 22:36.16 | jeff01 | can someone help me witha hard drive? i had an 80gig drive on an older machine where the bios couldnt handle it, so it recognized it as like 33 gigs. i moved it to a newer machine, but when i open a partition program, it doesnt show the extra 47 gigs |
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| 22:36.38 | NyteRukh | large disk read thingy activated |
| 22:36.39 | NyteRukh | ? |
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| 22:36.51 | bsims | jeff01: ya need a bios that supports large hard drives |
| 22:36.59 | bsims | see if there is newer firmware |
| 22:37.00 | jeff01 | bsims the new machine does |
| 22:37.05 | Supaplex | check for a bios update |
| 22:37.11 | bsims | hrm then thats odd |
| 22:37.28 | jeff01 | the motherboard i have is only like a year and a hjalf old. the other motherboard was like 6 |
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| 22:37.47 | mikeym | would you guys say that debian is a good choice for low-memory environments, such as use in a VPS/VDS? |
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| 22:38.19 | Supaplex | my tftp client on a workstation is requesting a file, and the syslogs on the server show it's requested, but I never see the file. tcpdump shows the request, but not sending. What could be wrong? file permissions are 644, directory is 755. Oct 8 16:32:08 pyroclastic in.tftpd[9213]: RRQ from 66.219.200.235 filename /last.txt |
| 22:39.29 | beardy | mikeym: VPS/VDS? |
| 22:39.39 | mikeym | virtual private server, virtual dedicated server |
| 22:39.52 | mikeym | it's basically a server split into mini-servers |
| 22:40.03 | mikeym | each able to run a whole OS |
| 22:40.08 | Supaplex | mikeym: all depends on what you want it to do, but generally, yes. debian won't keep much around if you only want a small footprint install. Eg, my router has a 256mb flash card with plenty of amenities :) |
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| 22:40.43 | beardy | mikeym: Debian will not be worse than any other distro. Probably one of the better choices for that situation. |
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| 22:41.20 | mikeym | right now I have 96 MB RAM and 192 MB of swap, which I'm hoping will be sufficient for a small web/database/email server |
| 22:41.22 | beardy | mikeym: But it depends on what you intend to run on these virtual servers, of course. |
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| 22:41.54 | mikeym | database intensive I can see a problem, but it won't be, and there will only be a handful of sites, most not even active |
| 22:41.59 | ngmlinux_ | debian based os's have a lot of trouble with modems |
| 22:42.22 | ngmlinux_ | right |
| 22:42.31 | Thaiger | I was doing an apt-get upgrade when it got to udev and now it says udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12 upgrade aborted, but if I try to apt-get remove udev it tries to remove gnome and a lot of other things. How do I stop it from trying to install udev? |
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| 22:42.48 | streuner | ngmlinux_: if you talking about real modems, no. |
| 22:42.52 | microsys | !alsa |
| 22:42.52 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 22:42.53 | beardy | Thaiger: Why are you trying to run sid? |
| 22:43.35 | liable | Thaiger: put it on hold. |
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| 22:44.19 | Thaiger | beardy: I run the kernel I do now because I got a whole lot of problems trying to enabled direct rendering, but now I need new libGL files, but I didn't know what package to get so I upgraded them all |
| 22:44.22 | beardy | ngmlinux_: What kind of modems are you talking about? |
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| 22:44.55 | microsys | i am right now a bit confused, it loads all oss-modules correctly, but there is no dsp-device ;P |
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| 22:46.35 | astronut | how do you do the e with dots over it with the Multi Key? |
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| 22:46.55 | BlackZarak | is anyone able to assist me set up my gps mouse with gpsd ? |
| 22:46.56 | beardy | astronut: What's a "Multi Key"? |
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| 22:47.07 | astronut | beardy: you can set in in x |
| 22:47.14 | astronut | hit multi + ', release, hit e |
| 22:47.16 | astronut | é |
| 22:47.22 | zinx | never heard of it. sounds like compose. |
| 22:47.22 | flodine | does sarge support dvi 1920x1200? |
| 22:47.25 | astronut | you get the e accentague |
| 22:47.27 | xsun | Can I emule CMOV instructions in the linux kernel? |
| 22:47.28 | astronut | zinx: part of x |
| 22:47.32 | astronut | use xmodmap |
| 22:47.33 | zinx | compose is part of X |
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| 22:48.04 | hansjoerg | hey |
| 22:48.04 | asuffield | Multi_key is the X name for Sun's 'compose' key |
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| 22:48.07 | zinx | hmm, guess X calls it that |
| 22:48.16 | zinx | crazy X nutters |
| 22:48.36 | beardy | flodine: Nothing to do with sarge, only your hardware and X, and the drivers for your graphics card. So, probably yes. |
| 22:48.39 | hansjoerg | i've a problem with the ipw2200-1.0.5 or 6 together with kernel 2.6.12++, can someone help me to compile it? http://paste.lisp.org/display/12361 here is the error <-- |
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| 22:50.35 | astronut | asuffield: how to do ë? |
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| 22:50.51 | asuffield | probably " and e |
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| 22:51.07 | asuffield | I always use dead-diaresis instead |
| 22:51.08 | TwistedEmotions | http://channels.debian.net/paste/868?tidy=on&hl=on&submit=Format+it%21 |
| 22:51.08 | TwistedEmotions | Can't get gateway to work for static ip... please help ^^ |
| 22:51.08 | TwistedEmotions | TwistedEmotions Console output is all there.. will paste in #flood if anyone wants too. |
| 22:51.13 | astronut | what's that? |
| 22:51.20 | astronut | ë |
| 22:51.21 | asuffield | alt-[ e, on a keymap with the dead keys defined |
| 22:51.22 | astronut | so it is |
| 22:51.23 | beardy | asuffield: depends on your keyboard layout though. |
| 22:51.30 | Thaiger | The DRI wiki says my libGL is out of sync with my DRI version, how do I fix it? |
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| 22:51.34 | astronut | you'd think it'd be : not " |
| 22:51.36 | asuffield | beardy: it's always the same *position* if you have dead keys |
| 22:51.45 | asuffield | the keycap might not say [ on it |
| 22:52.01 | NuBee | Hi there. Do you know a possible Generic-style VGA driver? I have an ATI X800 VGA Card but cannot use it on my Debian, not even in VESA mode. I'm not really experienced in installing such things.. :/ |
| 22:52.05 | asuffield | all the punctuation around there has level-3 and level-4 dead key forms |
| 22:52.11 | asuffield | oh, and it's only right-alt |
| 22:52.14 | beardy | asuffield: I mean, us keyboard vs swedish keyboard, and so on. Or am I wrong? |
| 22:52.14 | asuffield | (level-3 shift) |
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| 22:52.35 | asuffield | beardy: the US keymap is one of the very small number without dead keys defined, because americans are considered too stupid to know how to use them |
| 22:52.43 | astronut | ctrlprox + 5 consonents...xrgtn sounds like a bot |
| 22:52.46 | asuffield | virtually everything else has them |
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| 22:53.00 | Wibble- | hi - I've got a USB caddy which works well most of the time - but I've noticed that if I have one harddisk in there, and then turn it off and back on again, it doesn't detect everything it should and still thinks there is some such like the partition table registered... the only cure I've found so far is to reboot, but that obviously sucks... can anyone suggest a way round this where I can hot-swap hd's using the caddy even if they have different partition tabl |
| 22:53.19 | asuffield | levels 3 and 4 on the right-hand punctuation block aren't used for anything else, they're always dead keys or nothing |
| 22:53.25 | beardy | asuffield: Ok, but you said it was on '"', '"' can be on different places on different keyboards. |
| 22:53.26 | astronut | Wibble-: are you unmounting stuff? |
| 22:53.30 | Wibble- | yes |
| 22:53.34 | asuffield | beardy: that's compose sequences, not dead keys |
| 22:53.44 | Wibble- | I always unmount before unlpugging |
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| 22:53.46 | asuffield | beardy: compose sequences are done by the character generated, not the keystroke used |
| 22:53.48 | Technel | I installed Gnome, but when I start X, it says the mouse and RADEON drivers could not be initialized. I have never had this problem before. Any ideas? |
| 22:53.49 | astronut | Wibble-: dunno |
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| 22:54.09 | liable | TwistedEmotions: output fom route shows the right gw? |
| 22:54.09 | asuffield | this is because dead keys are handled in the server, while compose sequences are processed by the X client itself |
| 22:54.17 | beardy | asuffield: So the compose key can be whatever I want? |
| 22:54.25 | liable | TwistedEmotions: output of ifconfig? paste it. |
| 22:54.27 | caphuso | Wibble-: try rereading the partition table with sfdisk -R |
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| 22:54.37 | astronut | beardy: yes, set in xmod |
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| 22:54.44 | TwistedEmotions | liable: I believe so... I put same thing into windows and it works.. |
| 22:54.46 | asuffield | you can define Multi_key to be whatever key you want. it has a default assignment in everything but the US keymap |
| 22:54.51 | asuffield | it's usually shift-right-alt |
| 22:54.52 | trogger | is unstable gnome borked at the moment? |
| 22:55.01 | asuffield | (X clients must *explicitly* support compose, so not every X application does it) |
| 22:55.08 | TwistedEmotions | liable: I had to dhcp to get back here.. but I can still ifconfig... #flood ? |
| 22:55.38 | TwistedEmotions | liable: or paste? |
| 22:55.42 | asuffield | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.43 | liable | TwistedEmotions: hrm, iwconfig shows the ssid, but theres no mac address for the router. |
| 22:55.43 | beardy | asuffield: It's the key below the key, left of Backspace, for me, at this box. |
| 22:56.01 | asuffield | put that in XF86Config-4 in the Keyboard section, and it'll turn the useless caps lock into Multi_key |
| 22:56.13 | xrgtn | xfree86 4.3.0 allowed me to have 3 layouts (us,ru,ua), xorg only allows 2 or 4 -- anyone else had this problem? |
| 22:56.14 | TwistedEmotions | liable: it doesnt pick that up until I do ifconfig ath0 up |
| 22:56.36 | Wibble- | caphuso: Thank you very much - that works. |
| 22:56.38 | liable | TwistedEmotions: then you still cant ping it? |
| 22:57.19 | Fusionfox | TwistedEmotions: hey having problems instaaling debian from internet? |
| 22:58.07 | liable | TwistedEmotions: err, you are setting your ip to a different network, try ifconfig ath0 10.0.32.3 |
| 22:58.14 | TwistedEmotions | liable: after ath0 it shows correct access point and info and all that |
| 22:58.21 | TwistedEmotions | but cant ping net |
| 22:58.31 | NuBee | Hello. So you have some guide regarding graphical interface installation ? (Debian current stable, ATi Radeon X800 Card) |
| 22:58.47 | TwistedEmotions | Fusionfox: already installed.. trying to switch from dhcp to static |
| 22:58.47 | Fusionfox | My question, what command do i need to use to get package when i install the netinstall of debian? |
| 22:58.49 | Technel | Anyone? |
| 22:59.03 | TwistedEmotions | liable: brb I need to disconnect to try again.. |
| 22:59.07 | Fusionfox | TwistedEmotions: you got ADSL modem?? |
| 22:59.29 | TwistedEmotions | Fusionfox: wireless access ;P it sucks... brb |
| 22:59.48 | NyteRukh | mmm |
| 22:59.59 | NyteRukh | got about three web browsers to remove to |
| 23:00.11 | Technel | cause dead keys are handled in the server, while compose sequences are processed by the X client itself |
| 23:00.11 | Technel | <beardy> asuffield: So the compose key can be whatever I want? |
| 23:00.11 | Technel | <liable> TwistedEmotions: output of ifconfig? paste it. |
| 23:00.11 | Technel | <caphuso> Wibble-: try rereading the partition table with sfdisk -R |
| 23:00.11 | Technel | * Fusionfox has joined #debian |
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| 23:00.20 | winXpert | any way to recover a deleted file ? |
| 23:00.21 | Fusionfox | what?? |
| 23:00.22 | Technel | Sorry |
| 23:00.23 | Fusionfox | t(o_O) |
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| 23:00.42 | konrad_ | Where can I place Macros in assembly source code? I'm getting 'instruction expected' while trying to mount it. Or I need a special program to turn the macros into code? |
| 23:00.48 | astronut | Technel: what's the question? |
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| 23:00.54 | SimonRaven | winXpert: fetch your backups |
| 23:00.56 | Fusionfox | TwistedEmotions: by the way where are you from? |
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| 23:01.01 | astronut | Technel: setting mutli key in X? |
| 23:01.02 | beardy | winXpert: Probably not. At least not an easy one. How did you delete it, and which filesystem? |
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| 23:01.16 | astronut | keycode 116 = Multi_key is what i have in my ~/.Xmodmap |
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| 23:01.50 | Technel | astronut: Huh? |
| 23:01.52 | beardy | winXpert: and what SimonRaven said. |
| 23:02.02 | Technel | astronut: What is a multi key? |
| 23:02.05 | winXpert | reiserfs |
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| 23:02.18 | winXpert | i didnt delete it but it is no longer there |
| 23:02.24 | konrad_ | Where can I place Macros in assembly source code? I'm getting 'instruction expected' while trying to mount it. Or I need a special program to turn the macros into code? |
| 23:02.24 | astronut | Technel: the X equivelent of Sun's compose key |
| 23:02.29 | winXpert | another user may have |
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| 23:02.33 | astronut | multi + ', e => é |
| 23:02.46 | concept10 | Anyone know the package name for mod_rewrite for apache2 |
| 23:02.51 | Fusionfox | like how many time does debian take downloading package?? |
| 23:02.56 | Technel | astronut: No, I just want to get into X |
| 23:02.58 | Fusionfox | much* |
| 23:02.58 | beardy | winXpert: Then it's not deleted then. But your filesystem may be corrupt. Why run reiserfs? |
| 23:03.04 | SimonRaven | concept10: there. isn't. any. |
| 23:03.06 | astronut | Technel: oh, wrong user |
| 23:03.07 | Squarepants | i try to use apt-get but i get this message |
| 23:03.09 | astronut | you pasted stuff about multi |
| 23:03.10 | Squarepants | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 23:03.10 | Squarepants | E: Error during the edit of soundstretch (NewVersion1) |
| 23:03.10 | Squarepants | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
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| 23:03.24 | SimonRaven | concept10: apache2-common |
| 23:03.24 | beardy | !flood |
| 23:03.24 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 23:03.32 | concept10 | SimonRaven, no wonder i cant find it... |
| 23:03.33 | SimonRaven | Squarepants: don't paste here |
| 23:03.49 | concept10 | SimonRaven, apache2-common includes mod_rewrite? |
| 23:03.54 | SimonRaven | @tell Squarepants -about dynamic mmap |
| 23:04.18 | SimonRaven | concept10: dpkg -L <packagename> |
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| 23:06.48 | hansjoerg | I'm getting a invalid module format at modprobe ipw2200 |
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| 23:06.55 | hansjoerg | what did i do wrong on compiling them? |
| 23:07.29 | astronut | hansjoerg: probably not for your current kernel |
| 23:07.33 | leOn | hansjoerg: using a wrong tree kernel ? |
| 23:07.49 | leOn | s/tree kernel/kernel tree/ |
| 23:07.58 | hansjoerg | i've downloaded 2.6.13.3 installed it and now i'm trying to install the ipw2200 driver |
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| 23:08.13 | hansjoerg | leOn: don't think i'm using the wrong kernel tree |
| 23:08.19 | leOn | hansjoerg: did you reboot after installing 2.6.13.3 ? |
| 23:08.26 | hansjoerg | oh no |
| 23:08.31 | hansjoerg | leOn: i think you could be right |
| 23:08.34 | hansjoerg | leOn: have to check it |
| 23:08.43 | TwistedEmotions | liable: #flood? |
| 23:08.44 | leOn | the make goes for the CURRENT kernel |
| 23:09.00 | Thaiger | How do I clear the package cache that apt has? And is there any advantage to keeping it? |
| 23:09.17 | leOn | or specify the right tree.. see the ipw2200 docs |
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| 23:09.36 | hansjoerg | Thaiger: apt-get clean |
| 23:09.49 | eguzkia | someone can help with a usb pen drive? |
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| 23:10.43 | Thaiger | hansjoerg: Thanks |
| 23:13.43 | hansjoerg | Thaiger: np |
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| 23:13.59 | nicoAMG | Hello. |
| 23:14.13 | NyteRukh | hello |
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| 23:15.12 | nicoAMG | What do i need to allow shutdown the computer to everyone? |
| 23:15.50 | nicoAMG | Actually only root is allowed to shutdown the system... |
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| 23:16.07 | Tortel | is there a package to make openGL work? |
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| 23:17.07 | nicoAMG | the computer is a laptop, and normal users must to shutdown the system.. |
| 23:17.08 | NyteRukh | its the way with mine...only root pass ..not sure how to change..it but i dont care...dont hardly shut down the sys anymore |
| 23:17.17 | NyteRukh | y? |
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| 23:17.46 | ngmlinux_ | does anyone here understand the default route in debian? |
| 23:17.49 | trogger | does gnome currently have unmet dependencies, or is it a problem with my configuration? |
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| 23:18.10 | ngmlinux_ | i know something really awkward has to be done just to use ppp in Debian |
| 23:18.12 | NyteRukh | route asin networking ngm? |
| 23:18.12 | ngmlinux_ | for some reason |
| 23:18.24 | ngmlinux_ | NyteRukh what is asin? |
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| 23:18.31 | NyteRukh | as in |
| 23:18.36 | ngmlinux_ | oh |
| 23:18.59 | ngmlinux_ | NyteRukh, let me reffer you to my post on a forum. |
| 23:19.04 | NyteRukh | stll learning debian linux meself...so cant realy helpya |
| 23:19.28 | randomity | nicoAMG: on my system there is a system called usermode which provides /usr/bin/consolehelper and messes about with /etc/pam.d but I don't know what debian package has this |
| 23:19.33 | ngmlinux_ | oh ok |
| 23:19.34 | NyteRukh | just had to switch from gnome to kdm...cause of memory problems |
| 23:19.49 | ngmlinux_ | yeah well just to warn you NyteRukh, it's not as easy as redhat or mandriva |
| 23:19.56 | ngmlinux_ | little less reliable too |
| 23:20.02 | ngmlinux_ | but it has it's benifits |
| 23:20.06 | ngmlinux_ | like apt-get |
| 23:20.08 | NyteRukh | no worries... |
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| 23:20.15 | randomity | nicoAMG: you could allow sudo access to everyone to use poweroff, halt, reboot etc |
| 23:20.16 | ngmlinux_ | not compatible with as much |
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| 23:20.26 | ngmlinux_ | but apt-get is nice when it works |
| 23:20.38 | NyteRukh | i like a challenge..besides my windblows box shit the fan so gives me a chance to learn linux |
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| 23:20.50 | NyteRukh | mine always works |
| 23:20.56 | NyteRukh | never had a problem |
| 23:21.04 | ngmlinux_ | NyteRukh, OS X, only one OS fits all OS |
| 23:21.18 | ngmlinux_ | except compatibility with windows software :-/ |
| 23:21.24 | ngmlinux_ | but that's what vpc is for |
| 23:21.27 | nicoAMG | randomity: this is my first Debian system... how do i do the sudo thing? |
| 23:21.34 | NyteRukh | lol |
| 23:21.40 | TwistedEmotions | nicoAMG: sudo <command> |
| 23:21.47 | NyteRukh | os x is mac ..dont have a mac machine |
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| 23:22.08 | ngmlinux_ | nicoAMG you do sudo <command> instead of switching to root and then doing <command> |
| 23:22.16 | ngmlinux_ | nicoAMG it's a pain to learn at first |
| 23:22.17 | TwistedEmotions | !tell nicoAMG about sudo |
| 23:22.22 | ngmlinux_ | cause it's way different |
| 23:23.42 | nicoAMG | Ok guys, the only think that i want is to shutdown the laptop from GDM screen... |
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| 23:25.06 | Big_Wolf | vlc is giving me some trouble playing certain videos (in ogm or mkv format). it's giving me an error that says "ffmpeg decoder error: more than 5 seconds of late video -> dropping frame". anyone have any idea how to fix this? |
| 23:25.31 | nicoAMG | The target is that my wife be allowed to use the Laptop easylly! |
| 23:26.05 | SimonRaven | 'easily' |
| 23:26.56 | nicoAMG | Ok Tanks. im a spanish speaker, and a bad english writer.. |
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| 23:27.16 | nicoAMG | sorry, Thanks! |
| 23:27.57 | asuffield | don't apologise and make excuses, get it right |
| 23:28.01 | moparfan90 | hello i just got my new AMD athlon 64 and gigibyte motherboard. if i use debian 64-bit is there anything that is not compatable or anything i need to know? |
| 23:28.39 | nicoAMG | I'm getting right now! |
| 23:28.40 | NyteRukh | lucky dog |
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| 23:29.10 | moparfan90 | anyone |
| 23:29.30 | Skapare | is there a list of which packages are installed by debootstrap? |
| 23:29.58 | liable | moparfan90: try #debian-amd64 |
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| 23:30.31 | Skapare | I want to be able to download those packages in advance and use deboostrap to build a base system in a chroot subdirectory ... without having to d/l all the packages at first |
| 23:30.46 | dabaR | my gnome-volume-manager does not want to load, saying that HAL is not running. Any advice? |
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| 23:31.05 | Skapare | the installation guide is assuming the install would be network connected, it seems |
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| 23:31.55 | Wibble- | sometimes I can't unmount a device because FAMD is looking at the directories, even though I've closed all windows and terminals that were on it - how can I prevent this from happening? |
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| 23:32.38 | moparfan90 | which version of debian is for the AMD 64's?? |
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| 23:33.58 | Skapare | Wibble-: FAMD? |
| 23:34.06 | jp6 | anyone else get a whole bunch of weird locale errors when installing etch? |
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| 23:34.22 | ngmlinux_ | anybody know debian networking? |
| 23:34.23 | Wibble- | yeah Skapare - some gnome thing I think... ... ... but I'm not sure |
| 23:34.46 | Skapare | Wibble-: find it's process ID and kill it |
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| 23:35.06 | moparfan90 | after i installed x-server i would get a error when it was trying to open... something about the mouse? |
| 23:35.12 | Skapare | fuser -m <-- that command may help |
| 23:35.16 | Wibble- | ... I shouldn't need to do that - I didn't start it, and I didn't ask it to stop me from unmounting my drives... |
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| 23:35.31 | Technel | I just installed GNOME. It fails and says it couldn't load mouse drivers and RADEON drivers. I have never had this problem before. Any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 23:35.32 | Wibble- | FAMD is the file alteration monitor daemon |
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| 23:35.52 | NyteRukh | switch to kde |
| 23:35.53 | NyteRukh | :} |
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| 23:36.01 | Technel | Actually, I meant it fails when I try to start x |
| 23:36.03 | Wibble- | lol |
| 23:36.05 | Skapare | Wibble-: it's obviously in the way of what you want to do |
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| 23:36.24 | ngmlinux_ | Technel, the only way to fix a linux issue is to switch distros lol |
| 23:36.32 | Wibble- | yes, it is, but just killing processes isn't the fix - its a work around |
| 23:36.50 | ballboy | Hello, why do I has no text in some gui's like audacity, amule ? widgets are blank?? |
| 23:36.55 | Skapare | Wibble-: NyteRukh suggested the long term fix |
| 23:37.12 | nicoAMG | NyteRukh: shutdown the computer from GDM isn't dificult at all! |
| 23:37.23 | NyteRukh | k :] |
| 23:37.26 | Wibble- | heh |
| 23:38.07 | nicoAMG | NyteRukh: It's done ! |
| 23:38.12 | Skapare | Wibble-: normally it shouldn't be necessary to do very many unmounts |
| 23:38.13 | Technel | I have actually installed Debian + Gnome or KDE or XFCE successfully several times, this is the first time I have had a problem with drivers |
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| 23:38.54 | Skapare | Wibble-: but if this is a mount that was manually done and FAMD "found" the new fs and latched on to it ... well yeah, that's not very friendly of it |
| 23:38.55 | Wibble- | Skapare: it is when I've got several HD's and a USB caddy... |
| 23:38.57 | NyteRukh | what you do different this time |
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| 23:39.52 | Skapare | Wibble-: if these are transient filesystems, then I'd agree that FAMD shouldn't go around and lock on |
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| 23:41.36 | boxerboy29 | does anyone know if in anjuta i can use gcc <programname> -o <programname> to compile? |
| 23:41.39 | Skapare | mv /sbin/superumount /sbin/evilumount |
| 23:41.41 | caphuso | #!/bin/sh\nfuser -k "$1"\numount "$1" |
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| 23:42.04 | Wibble- | looks like its not part of gnome, but it is used by gnome if it is installed... and debian has it as a required package for gnome to be installed |
| 23:42.07 | Skapare | caphuso: that's too easy |
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| 23:42.39 | Wibble- | so I'd say its a debian issue that I can't get rid of it but still keep gnome :D |
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| 23:45.59 | pepsi | every time i boot, i have to run `setserial` on 4 serial devices.. ttyS14, 15, 44, and 45.. is there a way to get the seterial thing to happen automagically? and maybe even get the devices to be recognized as ttyS2 through ttyS5 instead of wacky numbers? |
| 23:46.06 | Skapare | so no one here knows about deboostrap? |
| 23:46.15 | Skapare | debootstrap |
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| 23:47.05 | beardy | !debootstrap |
| 23:47.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 23:47.15 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 23:47.24 | solemnwarning | is there a command to check a cd? |
| 23:47.31 | solemnwarning | i mean thourough check, no bad sectors, files or anything |
| 23:48.29 | beardy | solemnwarning: Play it, if it's an audio cd, dd(1) it to disk if it's a data cd. |
| 23:48.30 | Thaiger | How do I get the latest libGL? |
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| 23:48.55 | m2 | Thaiger: define "latest" |
| 23:48.57 | alchem | solemnwarning, i would cat /dev/cdrom >/dev/null nad wait for any errors |
| 23:48.58 | solemnwarning | beardy: dd'ing a datacd to disk will check for errors over disk? :\ |
| 23:48.58 | Tortel | OK, I want some opions here |
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| 23:49.07 | Tortel | desktops: KDE or GNOME? |
| 23:49.28 | beardy | solemnwarning: You will get problems if it's a bad cd, yes. |
| 23:49.34 | solemnwarning | oic |
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| 23:49.38 | solemnwarning | :) |
| 23:49.46 | Thaiger | m2: I'm not entirely sure, but I checked the errors I was getting agains the DRI troubleshooting wiki and it says my libGL is out of sync with my DRI |
| 23:49.52 | m2 | Tortel: this is #debian and that's asking for a flamewar. |
| 23:49.56 | Stereo | Tortel: depends :) |
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| 23:50.39 | beardy | Tortel: What is your question, which wm/desktop you should use, or what? |
| 23:50.44 | m2 | Thaiger: what's your DRI then? |
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| 23:51.03 | microsys | its pretty late here, but afaik there is a way to just print out every first word in a number of rows without using awk, isn`t there? |
| 23:51.03 | Tortel | beardy: im asking on what you like |
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| 23:51.20 | Stereo | Tortel: what is this, a slashdot poll? |
| 23:51.28 | Tortel | yea |
| 23:51.29 | Tortel | :P |
| 23:51.32 | beardy | Tortel: Don't. Run what you like, and fits your situation best. |
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| 23:51.58 | beardy | !bad polls |
| 23:51.58 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
| 23:52.00 | beardy | !best |
| 23:52.00 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 23:52.23 | Thaiger | m2: I'm not sure, how would I go about find out? |
| 23:53.32 | Stereo | I really don't think we should be teaching dpkg all that stuff. One day it's going to reach critical mass, gain self-awareness and go google on us |
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| 23:54.19 | whitelight_ | is Amarok better than XMMS? |
| 23:54.19 | johhny | What is everything compiled with by default in breezy? |
| 23:54.21 | beardy | microsys: sed, perl, and so on? |
| 23:54.28 | beardy | !better |
| 23:54.28 | dpkg | it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 23:54.29 | johhny | What is everything compiled with by default in *etch*? sorry |
| 23:54.33 | liable | johhny: ask in #ubuntu |
| 23:54.44 | johhny | I meant etch |
| 23:54.49 | microsys | no something "head"-like ... otherwise im going to use awk *G* |
| 23:55.20 | johhny | microsys: Cant you do that with cut? |
| 23:55.20 | m2 | Thaiger: can't check right now but I guess there must be something in /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 23:55.25 | microsys | cut yes |
| 23:55.27 | microsys | thx |
| 23:55.34 | Technel | Today I installed the GNOME desktop environment. However, when I attempt to start X, it fails, and I get two error messages: "RADEON: No matching Device section for instance found" and "Cannot open device /dev/input/mice. No such device". Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 23:55.35 | microsys | pretty late, like i said |
| 23:55.35 | EfaistOs | hi |
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| 23:55.59 | EfaistOs | do u know a great tool to create a weblog which uses postgresql ? |
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| 23:56.38 | beardy | In what package can the things that were in textutils be found now? |
| 23:56.55 | kurumin | as I make to use card SD of palm in linux |
| 23:57.03 | caphuso | beardy: coreutils |
| 23:57.13 | beardy | oh, he found out anyway |
| 23:57.17 | beardy | caphuso: thanks |
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| 23:57.24 | leOn | hmmm... |
| 23:57.27 | kurumin | as I make to use card SD of palm in linux |
| 23:57.49 | leOn | is there any way to disable framebuffer while running the system ? |
| 23:57.51 | Thaiger | m2: DRM Interface version 1.2 |
| 23:58.03 | Tortel | are there any problems with a soundblaster live 5.1 digital soundcard and kernel 2.6.x? |
| 23:58.09 | leOn | freedos doesn't like framebuffer ... =/ |
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| 23:58.42 | Technel | Is it a bad sign if I have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
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| 23:58.47 | JoshH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:58.59 | randomity | Technel: not if you don't use x.org |
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| 23:59.10 | beardy | microsys: 'info coreutils' if you need to find another tool later. |
| 23:59.18 | randomity | Technel: If you do, it is a bad sign indeed :-) |
| 23:59.22 | Tortel | yay |
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