| 00:00.44 | NyteRukh | where exactly would i find /.kde ??? |
| 00:00.56 | caphuso | NyteRukh: in ~ |
| 00:01.01 | Squarepants | guys, do you know the name of the console-based irc client? |
| 00:01.07 | Squarepants | looks much like xchat |
| 00:01.07 | caphuso | Squarepants: which one? |
| 00:01.20 | caphuso | then it's not a console client |
| 00:01.20 | microsys | xchat-text? |
| 00:01.23 | microsys | ;P |
| 00:01.38 | microsys | there is a textversion of xchat |
| 00:01.58 | Squarepants | called xchat-text? |
| 00:02.06 | microsys | afaik yes |
| 00:02.15 | beardy | Squarepants: not sure what you mean, but try irssi-text |
| 00:02.48 | microsys | but this does not look quite like xchat |
| 00:02.49 | Squarepants | ah |
| 00:03.01 | microsys | there really is an "xchat-text" |
| 00:03.03 | Squarepants | i mean |
| 00:03.19 | beardy | microsys: where? |
| 00:03.19 | Squarepants | it has the classic chat-client appearance |
| 00:03.24 | Squarepants | mirc, pirch, xchat etc |
| 00:03.30 | Squarepants | with the name column on the right |
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| 00:04.12 | microsys | packages.debian.org/stable/net/xchat-text |
| 00:04.14 | microsys | there |
| 00:04.15 | microsys | ;P |
| 00:04.15 | caphuso | bah, that's the new chat client appearance. classic clients don't have such nonsense :) |
| 00:04.22 | Squarepants | ok thanks |
| 00:04.29 | beardy | !info xchat-text |
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| 00:06.02 | nimakh | apt-get screwed up in the middle of an upgrade, udev wont unpack |
| 00:07.57 | nimakh | my entire system is screwed up now |
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| 00:08.49 | SimonRaven | do we look like the BTS? |
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| 00:09.06 | Thaiger | nimakh: Define screwed up |
| 00:09.19 | Technel | What is the command to generate a new XORG config file? |
| 00:09.30 | nimakh | gnome is messed up |
| 00:09.44 | microsys | kernel must be > 2.6.12 for udev given with testing |
| 00:09.44 | quittt | where is EQF file from WInamp? |
| 00:09.55 | nimakh | how can i install udev |
| 00:10.26 | JoshH | > or >= 2.6.12? |
| 00:10.32 | Thaiger | nimakh: I had a similar problem, it said udev needed a more recent kernel, if I recall I did a dpkg --configure -a, but I'm sorry I don't remember for sure |
| 00:10.33 | nimakh | loads of settings are gone |
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| 00:10.48 | Technel | Why won't X start!! :( |
| 00:10.49 | bgoudie | i'm running testing and just updated firefox to 1.0.6-5 and now the keybindings i put in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/res/builtin/userHTMLBindings.xml don't have any effect. i've tried using a empty config dir and i don't see any bugs filed for this... anybody know what changed in firefox? |
| 00:10.55 | Thaiger | Technel: What error do you get? |
| 00:11.04 | lultravioet16 | hey, doesn anyone know how to add a splash image to the grub chooser when you first load up the system? |
| 00:11.12 | nimakh | yeah |
| 00:11.16 | Tortel | oo |
| 00:11.17 | nimakh | splashimga |
| 00:11.18 | Tortel | how? |
| 00:11.29 | Technel | Thaiger: <Technel> Today I installed the GNOME desktop environment. However, when I attempt to start X, it fails, and I get two error messages: "RADEON: No matching Device section for instance found" and "Cannot open device /dev/input/mice. No such device". Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 00:11.37 | nimakh | splashimage=(disk)/location/image |
| 00:12.00 | Thaiger | Technel: do an ls /dev/input/mice to make sure you have one |
| 00:12.35 | Tortel | nimakh: Add that to the GRUB startup command? |
| 00:12.38 | liable | Technel: looks like you misconfigured x |
| 00:12.42 | liable | !drxx Technel |
| 00:12.45 | dpkg | Technel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:12.50 | Thaiger | Technel: Also try changing /dev/input/mice to /dev/psaux |
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| 00:13.19 | lultravioet16 | brb |
| 00:13.20 | Technel | Thaiger: Directory exists |
| 00:13.21 | lultravioet16 | \qut |
| 00:13.24 | lultravioet16 | \quit |
| 00:13.28 | lultravioet16 | \exit |
| 00:13.29 | Tortel | other \ |
| 00:13.31 | lultravioet16 | quit |
| 00:13.32 | lultravioet16 | exit |
| 00:13.34 | Tortel | use / |
| 00:13.36 | lultravioet16 | bah! |
| 00:13.37 | Technel | lol |
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| 00:13.38 | Tortel | !////! |
| 00:13.40 | whitelight_ | shall I upgrade my X11? |
| 00:13.41 | Thaiger | Technel: OK, I have one too, but I don't use it my system actually uses /dev/psaux |
| 00:13.41 | Tortel | lolz |
| 00:14.13 | Thaiger | Technel: The easy way to figure out which you use is cat the file as root and move your mouse |
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| 00:14.21 | lultravioet16 | ok back = |
| 00:14.25 | nimakh | Tortel: splashimage=(hd0,0)/GRUB/myfile.xpm.gz |
| 00:14.36 | EfaistOs | I'm using GDM and i installed window maker, fluxbox etc but they are not displayed in the menu session in GDM ? do u know why ? |
| 00:14.42 | nimakh | add that to your /etc/grub.conf |
| 00:14.49 | Tortel | ok |
| 00:14.54 | lultravioet16 | nimakh let me give it a shot |
| 00:15.22 | nimakh | it has to be a 640x480 14 color xpm.gz file |
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| 00:15.49 | Technel | Thaiger: Wow, I tried /dev/psaux instead and it works! Thank you so much! I searched the internet, asked in multiple channels, couldn't find the answer anywhere. *bow* |
| 00:15.59 | lultravioet16 | why does it have to be gz if it's an image? |
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| 00:16.21 | nimakh | grub developers = crazy |
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| 00:16.55 | Thaiger | Technel: No problem |
| 00:17.14 | caphuso | lultravioet16: XPM files aren't JPEG sized |
| 00:17.29 | Thaiger | Technel: You might run into issues because of the radeon message, but depending on what type of graphics (3d or not) you may not, but at least X will start ^_^ |
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| 00:17.44 | Tortel | nimakh: i dont have a /ect/grub.conf |
| 00:17.59 | Tortel | nimakh: I dont mind tho, not a big deal |
| 00:18.15 | nimakh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.23 | Tortel | yea |
| 00:18.35 | nimakh | try |
| 00:18.36 | Tortel | sorry, i confuze /etc/ with ect... |
| 00:18.46 | nimakh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:19.04 | liable | menu.lst |
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| 00:19.33 | nimakh | yeah, that too |
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| 00:20.01 | whitehorse1 | Hi. When making a submission via email [Kmail/Thunderbird] to the BTS (pseudo-package installation-reports), the system info makes what needs to be sent kind've long. Is the correct+appropriate behaviour to send all info in the body of the email or to make an attachment (text file) of the logs? If so, MIME? Uuencoding? Other? Everything in the body seems easier but then again...some of those inst reports can run up to 600k I imagine |
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| 00:20.48 | whitehorse1 | the debian.org BTS doesn't mention attachments, but then again its example bug is pretty short |
| 00:21.15 | whitehorse1 | Thoughts? Apart from "shutup whitehorse1" of course ;) |
| 00:21.34 | liable | whitehorse1: put it in the body, i dunno how the bts deals with attachments. |
| 00:21.52 | SimonRaven | mime is fine; no need to uuencode it; attachment or other is ok |
| 00:21.59 | whitelight_ | whitehorse1: hey hey |
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| 00:22.30 | whitehorse1 | whitelight: hey. |
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| 00:23.22 | whitehorse1 | liable & SimonRaven: Whom should I go with? ;D The text file of the install report with all the logs & sysinfo runs to approx 600k if it makes any difference |
| 00:23.35 | SimonRaven | whitehorse1: gzip it then |
| 00:23.41 | SimonRaven | gzip -9 file |
| 00:24.16 | Tortel | whats the compression ratio of a tar.gz file? |
| 00:24.26 | Tortel | its the best ive seen |
| 00:24.36 | nimakh | bz2 is better |
| 00:24.37 | whitehorse1 | SimonRaven: Okay, a gzipped (version 9?) text file attachment, MIME encoded yes? Will the installer team & helpers definitely be able to read it? |
| 00:24.37 | caphuso | Tortel: then you didn't look very hard |
| 00:24.41 | Tortel | :P |
| 00:24.46 | Tortel | so? |
| 00:24.58 | SimonRaven | whitehorse1: no, compression level |
| 00:25.01 | Tortel | im still mostly a windows person |
| 00:25.08 | SimonRaven | whitehorse1: yes... |
| 00:25.08 | Tortel | i use rars there |
| 00:25.16 | SimonRaven | rars suck |
| 00:25.23 | Tortel | .gz beats rars no prob |
| 00:25.28 | poseidon | not m5 |
| 00:25.43 | whitehorse1 | gz compression level 9. great got it. |
| 00:25.51 | Tortel | :) |
| 00:25.54 | poseidon | hrhr |
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| 00:26.29 | SimonRaven | nimakh: they don't however decompress on-the-fly in a browser + server that supports it |
| 00:26.31 | boneless | Whats the easiest way to share a drive between a box with xp and one with debian, both are connected to the same hub, and the drive is on the xp box. There so much documentation and as the noob i am i dont exactly know what im looking for. Good link anyone? |
| 00:27.13 | nimakh | SimonRaven: true |
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| 00:27.59 | whitehorse1 | SimonRaven: Just to doublecheck one last time before I go to send it; system info (600k worth) is best sent as an attachment not in message body from POV of the recipient developers, in your educated opinion - yes? |
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| 00:28.16 | whitehorse1 | < not trying to be a pain :) |
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| 00:28.52 | caphuso | whitehorse1: it's 2005. everyone uses MUAs that support attachments. even the BTS itself does |
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| 00:29.24 | whitehorse1 | caphuso okey-doke. that settles it then. ty |
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| 00:29.41 | caphuso | just make sure to use a descriptive subject and put a quick summary of the important stuff in the body, to aid searching |
| 00:30.02 | nimakh | where can i put a command that i want run at boot? |
| 00:30.16 | leOn | hmmm... is there anything similar to kickstart for debian ? |
| 00:30.19 | whitehorse1 | caphuso it's an installation report so yup basically the attachment'll be logs+systeminfo |
| 00:30.35 | nailbiter | leOn: You're looking for an automated installer? |
| 00:30.45 | obscuresoul | "/usr/share is intended to be shareable among all architecture platforms of a given OS". what does this means? |
| 00:31.02 | SimonRaven | meaning nothing binary goes in there |
| 00:31.09 | maxb | What is the APT command to show all installed packages which are not present in any source in sources.list? |
| 00:31.23 | leOn | nailbiter: pretty much that |
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| 00:31.27 | SimonRaven | (except maybe for compressed files and the like) |
| 00:31.28 | EdLin | obscuresoul: man hier |
| 00:32.07 | nailbiter | leOn: Try the "systemimager" or "fai" packages; they don't do exactly what Kickstart does, but come pretty close |
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| 00:32.59 | nailbiter | obscuresoul: It means /usr/share can be shared as a read-only file system between machines with different processor types |
| 00:33.12 | marc7 | is there any way I can modify a netinst image to include my own kernel image? |
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| 00:33.30 | nailbiter | obscuresoul: Contrast with /usr/lib and /usr/bin, which contain architecture-specific binaries |
| 00:33.34 | marc7 | the current sarge-stable netinst image doesn't have support for my raid card |
| 00:33.59 | EdLin | marc7: you've tried linux26? |
| 00:34.09 | leOn | nailbiter: any of those changes the configuration files uppon install when needed... some software hardcodes the hostname in config files, for instance |
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| 00:34.21 | marc7 | edlin: and expert26 and yeah... they include the "megaraid" drivers, not the "megaraid2" drivers. |
| 00:34.24 | marc7 | it's a known issue |
| 00:34.25 | leOn | and that is just an example |
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| 00:34.34 | caphuso | marc7: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 00:34.38 | nailbiter | leOn: systemimager has a built-in rule to ignore /etc/hostname and other host-specific files |
| 00:34.44 | leOn | with kickstart on have the power to preform pre and post scripts |
| 00:34.58 | leOn | s/have/has/ |
| 00:35.05 | marc7 | i'm also trying to get forcedeth support in the sarge installer (it's been included in etch, or the testing tree of netinst) |
| 00:35.11 | edt | how do you tell dpkg to remove a package what has corrupt diversions. I just want the package removed. PERIOD |
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| 00:35.36 | edt | --force-all does not help |
| 00:36.01 | marc7 | caphuso: thanks |
| 00:36.02 | edt | nor does forcing a reinstall and then trying the remove |
| 00:36.05 | SimonRaven | edt: it hardly ever does. stop using it in a cluebie way |
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| 00:36.57 | obscuresoul | nailbiter, so you're saying that the /usr/share's contents can be used in any arch? |
| 00:36.59 | edt | simonraven I've be using debian for 6 years - I only use force-all when NOTHING else I try works. |
| 00:37.03 | SimonRaven | edt: no offense intended |
| 00:37.04 | nailbiter | edt: If you're really desperate to get it removed, just delete the post-rm and pre-rm scripts, then 'dpkg --purge' it again. But you'll have to clean up stuff like dangling alternatives and diversions by hand |
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| 00:37.25 | nailbiter | obscuresoul: Yes, that's the _intended_ use |
| 00:37.42 | edt | were are the diversions kept |
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| 00:37.49 | nailbiter | obscuresoul: It still doesn't stop people from occasionally dropping arch-specific stuff in there from time to time. ;-) |
| 00:37.51 | SimonRaven | edt: i do somewhat like nailbiter said, but i leave in the .list and md5sums files |
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| 00:38.15 | SimonRaven | (i'd just mv away the *rm *inst files, not delete them) |
| 00:38.21 | obscuresoul | nailbiter, :P |
| 00:38.23 | obscuresoul | ty ;) |
| 00:38.48 | SimonRaven | edt: dpkg-statoverride db |
| 00:38.53 | nailbiter | edt: Diversions are tracked in /var/lib/dpkg/diversions, but that file doesn't keep track of who owns which diversion |
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| 00:39.42 | SimonRaven | and FYI, i don't care how long you've been using it |
| 00:39.59 | zweideutig | I need to reconfigure x-window-system. |
| 00:40.02 | eyeris | Sarge mysql-common is 5.0 beta, the other mysql packages (notably mysql-server) are 4.0. Will the 5.0 beta mysql-common package really work with my 4.0 server or is this a missing conflict dependancy? |
| 00:40.12 | factor | where can I get the libmp3lame.so lib in debian for unstable, I had the stable version but upgraded now i need theunstable. |
| 00:40.16 | nailbiter | edt: You might also want to file a bug against the package, just so the maintainer knows his post/pre-rm scripts are b0rked ;-) |
| 00:40.34 | zweideutig | apt-get reconfig x-window-system ? |
| 00:40.38 | SimonRaven | !drxx zweideutig |
| 00:40.39 | dpkg | zweideutig: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:40.52 | zweideutig | dpkg: Thank you, sir. |
| 00:41.03 | nailbiter | factor: The Marillat archive has a copy, I think, in the 'liblame0' package |
| 00:41.08 | zweideutig | Nice bot. :) |
| 00:41.38 | factor | it was something like nettrim |
| 00:41.43 | factor | was the location |
| 00:41.50 | factor | ! netrim |
| 00:41.56 | nailbiter | factor: 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main' |
| 00:42.02 | factor | ohh |
| 00:42.05 | factor | that may be it |
| 00:42.41 | nailbiter | factor: Also, what you really wanted to do was: /msg dpkg marillat (to ask the bot about the Marillat packages) |
| 00:42.48 | factor | k |
| 00:43.26 | microsys | NIS really troubles if user need to be in special groups for different Systems |
| 00:44.24 | nailbiter | microsys: You basically have to hack /var/lib/yp/Makefile to get that to work |
| 00:44.27 | zweideutig | !xmd5 |
| 00:44.28 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 00:44.29 | Thaiger | I've been trying to sort out direct rendering issues, figured out the come from problems with libGL so I uninstalled all the libgl stuff then reinstalled. I then ran glxgears and the only error I get is about drirc not existing. The only problem is that glxgears looks really really slow, but the info says its like 1645 fps |
| 00:44.37 | microsys | i managed it on client side |
| 00:44.38 | microsys | ;P |
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| 00:45.14 | gate_ | if I have two devices which use the same module but one device requires some module options how to I pass them to one device but not the other at startup |
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| 00:45.54 | nailbiter | Thaiger: You can use "glxinfo" to see if direct rendering is really active or not |
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| 00:47.05 | zweideutig | Argh. |
| 00:47.07 | nailbiter | gate_: There's no standard way to do it--some modules take special argument lists which apply to specific devices, others can't |
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| 00:47.46 | gate_ | nailbiter: thanks, guess I will see what I can find in there docs then |
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| 00:49.01 | microsys | hihi, fullscreen reduces fps to 85 @ glxgears *G* |
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| 00:49.44 | nailbiter | microsys: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/sproingies is a much more fun speed test for me. ;-) |
| 00:50.16 | microsys | i use soem screensaver too |
| 00:50.46 | microsys | there was where i found out about missing in group video |
| 00:50.52 | microsys | bout 5 min. ago *G* |
| 00:51.23 | microsys | but i used superquadrics |
| 00:51.27 | edt | fakeing the diversion worked - thand nailbiter/SimonRaven |
| 00:52.53 | edt | nailbiter the box with the problem is an install from about 5 years ago with multiple upgrades / dist-upgrades and experimental stuff - inother words problems are very probably my fault |
| 00:53.09 | microsys | overkill @ spoingies *G* |
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| 00:53.34 | nailbiter | edt: Well, not really your fault--the package manager should be completely bulletproof. ;-) |
| 00:53.46 | microsys | sproingies -root -coutn 10 -delay 30400 -fps |
| 00:53.48 | microsys | ;P |
| 00:54.05 | microsys | 13 fps @ 1280x1024 |
| 00:54.19 | dspstv | how can i patch kernel to support USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN i need to control my gps and dont seem to see this modules in the kernel-sources-2.6.12 |
| 00:54.28 | nailbiter | microsys: That's not much faster than software rendering. :-P |
| 00:54.52 | dspstv | how can get information about the presence of this modules in the 2.6.12 sources? |
| 00:54.54 | edt | nailbiter in theory. with what that box has been through I am susprised it still runs |
| 00:55.12 | maxb | Does anyone know how to show all installed packages which are not present in any source in sources.list? |
| 00:55.22 | microsys | it is, with a delay of 30400 |
| 00:55.28 | Tortel | run the package manager, look around |
| 00:55.42 | microsys | moving dely to 10400 gives me 35 fps |
| 00:55.42 | Tortel | bottom right tab shows that sort of stuff |
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| 00:56.06 | Tortel | lalala |
| 00:56.22 | Tortel | lolz |
| 00:56.42 | Tortel | "its easier to suggest solutions when you dont know the problem" |
| 00:57.00 | microsys | damn, hitting delay to 500 is like bzzzzzzz, > 100 fps |
| 00:57.20 | alchem | maxb , try: apt-show-versions |grep "No available version" |
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| 00:57.31 | microsys | im not even having that frequency on my screen |
| 00:57.41 | Tortel | lalala |
| 00:57.44 | Tortel | sooo bored |
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| 00:58.19 | marc7 | debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html is suggesting to run `make-kpkg -rev Custom.N kernel_image`... do I need to replace "kernel_image" with anything else? |
| 00:58.20 | microsys | --> lines wandering through the screen |
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| 00:58.51 | sylvisj | Is there a way to shrink my NTFS partition? |
| 00:59.41 | Tortel | 42 |
| 00:59.42 | liable | marc7: no. why? |
| 00:59.44 | sylvisj | Anyone? |
| 00:59.45 | kittenbot | ntfsresize? Never used it myself. |
| 00:59.49 | marc7 | okay, never mind :) |
| 00:59.59 | sylvisj | Kitten, will it work from boot or from within windows? |
| 01:00.02 | marc7 | <-- liking debian more and more as i get to play around with it |
| 01:00.08 | factor | mailbiter:netrim does not seem to have unstable package. |
| 01:00.14 | factor | nailbiter:even^ |
| 01:00.15 | edt | sylvisj boot from a knoppix cd and try kpartd |
| 01:00.26 | sylvisj | I don't have one. |
| 01:00.27 | Tortel | gnoppix! |
| 01:00.31 | Tortel | :| |
| 01:00.35 | sylvisj | I'm really not in the mood for another huge download, either. |
| 01:00.44 | kittenbot | sylvisj: It's a linux command-line program... |
| 01:00.54 | liable | sysrescuecd has qparted. |
| 01:00.54 | sylvisj | Small download? |
| 01:01.06 | edt | sysvisj its worth the effort just for the rescue stuff |
| 01:01.16 | kittenbot | It's a debian package -- that's how I get most of my things... |
| 01:01.23 | factor | nailbiter:ahhh it is sid and not unstable |
| 01:01.44 | sylvisj | Yeah... see... I can't install debian without frying my windows partition unless I resize and add a partition first. |
| 01:01.50 | microsys | fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version -1-self -rev=.01 kernel_image |
| 01:01.54 | microsys | is what i do |
| 01:02.30 | johhny | Does etch include synaptic? |
| 01:02.39 | johhny | I dont have x on my debian box |
| 01:02.47 | kittenbot | Can't it be done from windows? |
| 01:03.04 | sylvisj | A linux prog under windows? Dreamer. |
| 01:03.04 | liable | yes. |
| 01:03.08 | microsys | so i get a kernel kernel_image_2.6.12-1-self.deb with rev .01, if i do changes i put same but -rev=.02. So the existing will be just switched and not set as the old kernel automatically |
| 01:03.15 | maxb | alchem: Thanks! That works well. |
| 01:03.21 | alchem | np |
| 01:03.29 | kittenbot | The resizing of the partition -- not the running of the linux program :P |
| 01:03.44 | sylvisj | If you can tell me how, I'll do it. |
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| 01:04.12 | factor | ! liblame |
| 01:04.21 | factor | ! libmp3lame |
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| 01:04.28 | kittenbot | I haven't used a windows box since 1999 -- you're barking up the wrong tree :) |
| 01:04.43 | Tortel | i havent used windows scence this morning |
| 01:04.52 | factor | does anyone know where I can get libmp3lame from? |
| 01:04.58 | factor | in debformat? |
| 01:05.03 | Tortel | !tell factor about lame |
| 01:05.11 | Tortel | :) |
| 01:05.14 | sylvisj | Hmm... |
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| 01:05.42 | factor | it says to get debs form <marillat> |
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| 01:05.51 | liable | yes.. |
| 01:05.57 | factor | I have apt-got the package update but yet no libmp3lame exits. |
| 01:06.06 | Thaiger | How do I restart wineserver? |
| 01:06.09 | kittenbot | sylvisj: Easy options: (1) Find a linux guru who lives locally (2) Buy a new hard-disk (3) Investigate flash-based linux distributions |
| 01:06.10 | whitelight_ | anyone know how to get Amarok to play Wave files? |
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| 01:08.25 | microsys | any ideas why my devfsd/udev won`t create a dsp-device? |
| 01:08.35 | alchem | factor, you need the line "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main" (or sarge, or sid) in /etc/apt/sources.list , then apt-get update , apt-get install libmp3lame |
| 01:08.42 | microsys | sound modules are loaded, a lot of sound modules ;P |
| 01:08.48 | whitelight_ | why isnt mplayer in the unstable sources? |
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| 01:09.10 | factor | alchem:yes that is whatI have. |
| 01:09.29 | ramzez | hello poeple |
| 01:09.31 | microsys | may i just should switch to alsa, what adantages do i have by using Alsa with a SBproPCI128? None or do i? |
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| 01:10.07 | SimonRaven | good idea. would exploit the capabilities of the card |
| 01:10.15 | alchem | factor, are you sure you want a package named 'libmp3lame' and not the 'liblame0' ? |
| 01:10.24 | factor | yes |
| 01:10.24 | ramzez | What is discover for ? I use hotplug+udev. Is there any reason to use discover on my system ? |
| 01:10.29 | microsys | The full soundfeeling of 2.1 PC-Boxes came with oss too, won`t it ;P |
| 01:10.29 | liable | !tell whitelight_ about mplayer |
| 01:10.31 | factor | I need itfor the vlc package. |
| 01:10.48 | sylvisj | Kittenbot: 1, 2, and 3 are out. |
| 01:10.53 | sylvisj | Kittenbot: Luckily, I found #4. |
| 01:10.59 | whitelight_ | liable: thanks |
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| 01:11.08 | whitelight_ | liable: is it possible to update X11? |
| 01:11.46 | factor | now it could be in one of the packages. |
| 01:11.47 | solemnwarning | how can i configure the shortcut volume up\down\mute button on a keyboard? |
| 01:11.47 | liable | whitelight_: er, what do you mean? |
| 01:12.01 | factor | how can I stat a package to see if a lib is in it I need? |
| 01:12.09 | whitelight_ | liable: xine is not available either |
| 01:12.37 | whitelight_ | liable: dpkg liable wants you to know: well, mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead <-- but xine is not available either |
| 01:12.53 | microsys | xine-ui |
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| 01:13.21 | edt | is there an archive with up-to-date 2.6 kernels 2.6.8 is over a year old... |
| 01:13.51 | edt | I usually build my own but am trying to make one machine easier to keep up-to-date |
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| 01:13.58 | microsys | the actual repository for testing is 2.6.12 |
| 01:14.03 | SimonRaven | edt: etch and sid have later ones; sarge's 2.6.8 gets patches (as you may know) |
| 01:14.20 | factor | http://www.megaloman.com/~hany/RPM/libmp3lame.so.0.html <--here is the rpm version of it. |
| 01:14.21 | edt | yes - I do know its patched |
| 01:14.28 | factor | I need a deb of it |
| 01:14.37 | EfaistOs | Does someone know what this message is about : TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 213.223.131.64:32895/80 shrinks window 1146336339:1146337499. Repaired. |
| 01:14.39 | EfaistOs | ? |
| 01:15.03 | liable | whitelight_: learn to use apt-cache search |
| 01:15.11 | kittenbot | EfaistOs: I think it means that the TCP/IP stack at the other end was doing something naughty. |
| 01:15.19 | kittenbot | But it's nothing to worry about. |
| 01:15.23 | SimonRaven | EfaistOs: borked tcp peer. usually either stupidity on the other OS's part, or some script kiddie trying something |
| 01:15.37 | microsys | lets analyse |
| 01:15.57 | alchem | factor, i don't see it in the depends of the vlc package, if you need it to compile vlc , check out auto-apt |
| 01:16.10 | whitelight_ | liable: learn to use manners :) |
| 01:16.27 | SimonRaven | liable is usually polite |
| 01:16.27 | liable | excuse me? wtf rude did i say? |
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| 01:16.43 | microsys | we have TCP connection, uncloaked refers to an not hidden connection, Treason could be T-Reason (What ever this is for) the Peer is clearly, from 32895 to port 80. The window size could be the time between SYN-ACK |
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| 01:17.03 | whitelight_ | liable: I was jk, chill, or you get a nose bleed |
| 01:17.08 | microsys | and Repaired is the status so everyone is happy *G* |
| 01:17.29 | SimonRaven | pretty much ;) |
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| 01:18.01 | factor | alchem:oh sorry I think your right it was for audacity, I have a few other app libs I am getitn gfor vlc |
| 01:18.02 | ezerhoden | anyone successfuly build ipw2100 with 2.6.12 or 2.6.13? |
| 01:18.16 | factor | libmp3lame is for creating mp3 files. |
| 01:18.18 | SimonRaven | just ask the question |
| 01:19.47 | whitelight_ | factor: whats the best way to convert a wave file into mp3 on sarge? |
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| 01:20.03 | kittenbot | Just the ipw2200 stuff, sorry. |
| 01:20.30 | kittenbot | (Which I don't use, either.) |
| 01:20.35 | SimonRaven | whitelight_: you don't if at all possible. try to get it as raw as possible, then do conversions |
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| 01:20.57 | whitelight_ | SimonRaven: but Amarok doesnt play my wave files properly |
| 01:21.01 | Thaiger | I had a problem with wine where I had to kill it and now when I try and run it again, it says lstat: .transgaming/wineserver/socket: no such file or directory |
| 01:21.05 | factor | whitelight:i use audacity |
| 01:21.08 | whitelight_ | SimonRaven: conversions? |
| 01:21.10 | Thaiger | How do I fix it |
| 01:21.20 | whitelight_ | Thaiger: eek |
| 01:21.25 | SimonRaven | do what factor said |
| 01:21.27 | whitelight_ | factor: ok thanks |
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| 01:21.41 | Thaiger | whitelight_: uh-oh |
| 01:21.47 | Thaiger | whitelight_: Did I break something? |
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| 01:22.03 | SimonRaven | yeh, your socket ;p |
| 01:22.19 | Thaiger | SimonRaven: any idea how I'd go about fixing it? |
| 01:22.27 | SimonRaven | i was kdding |
| 01:22.30 | whitelight_ | Thaiger: i removed wine because it was doing same crap for me |
| 01:22.32 | SimonRaven | kidding |
| 01:22.58 | whitelight_ | factor: audacity converts wave files into mp3? |
| 01:22.59 | factor | whitelight_:also you will have to get the libmp3lame form the netrim site as well. |
| 01:23.03 | factor | yes. |
| 01:23.07 | microsys | no |
| 01:23.10 | microsys | actuall lame converts |
| 01:23.14 | microsys | actually |
| 01:23.17 | dsss | may you reinstall winme and try again |
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| 01:23.22 | microsys | but audacity implements the frontend |
| 01:23.29 | ilpavox | is it ok to use alien to install the sun jre rpm? |
| 01:23.38 | whitelight_ | factor: apt-get install libmp3lame ? |
| 01:23.48 | SimonRaven | !marillat |
| 01:23.48 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 01:24.16 | mfrisch | ilpavox make a .deb |
| 01:24.16 | SimonRaven | ilpavox: use the bin, and make-jpkg |
| 01:24.20 | SimonRaven | !java-package |
| 01:24.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 01:24.33 | whitelight_ | microsys: all elementary my friend |
| 01:24.39 | Thaiger | Even after I try to start wineserver, I still get .transgaming/wineserver/socket no such file |
| 01:24.42 | ilpavox | so making a deb with alien does not work? |
| 01:24.57 | SimonRaven | of course, but there's better ways ;) |
| 01:25.18 | ilpavox | simonraven: what package is make-jpkg in.. can't find it in my apt sources |
| 01:25.26 | SimonRaven | read ^^^^ |
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| 01:25.57 | microsys | hihi |
| 01:26.10 | microsys | and i thought it would be late here ... |
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| 01:26.25 | SimonRaven | 21:26 here |
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| 01:26.38 | microsys | 3:26 here |
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| 01:27.55 | microsys | and im still in the university building clients, watching anime beside and chatting within 2 consoles windows ;P |
| 01:28.02 | alchem | 4:27 here... does that mean i win? |
| 01:28.11 | ezerhoden | hmm, time is wrong and ntpdate can not contact any servers? |
| 01:28.12 | microsys | no, your over the maximum |
| 01:28.17 | SimonRaven | no, it means it's 4:27 over there |
| 01:28.19 | alchem | :-P |
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| 01:28.25 | microsys | lol |
| 01:28.35 | zweideutig | I need to get to a shell, but the graphical login keeps popping up. I hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, and it comes back. |
| 01:28.46 | microsys | loool |
| 01:28.49 | zweideutig | I can't login from there. |
| 01:28.54 | microsys | im hitting the ground soon |
| 01:28.58 | kittenbot | zweideutig: control-alt-f1 |
| 01:29.05 | ilpavox | simonraven: yea it's not in my sources.. what part of the tree is it in |
| 01:29.13 | SimonRaven | zweideutig: ctrl-alt-bksp just kills the xserver, which gets re-swpaned by the *dm you have running. you want ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 01:29.15 | microsys | night conversations in #deb-channels truly have more fun then every comedy |
| 01:29.23 | SimonRaven | spawned even |
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| 01:30.00 | zweideutig | SimonRaven, kittenbot: thanks. |
| 01:30.05 | SimonRaven | ilpavox: should be, sec |
| 01:30.14 | SimonRaven | !info java-package sarge |
| 01:30.16 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 01:30.27 | SimonRaven | aah, you need to add contrib |
| 01:30.35 | ilpavox | ah.. ok thanks |
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| 01:31.25 | SimonRaven | @tell ultravio1et16 -about root |
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| 01:32.32 | zweideutig | Why aren't those who login as root kicked? |
| 01:32.44 | microsys | could be fake too ;P |
| 01:32.46 | SimonRaven | they can't speak anyway |
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| 01:33.16 | microsys | but being root on irc has one advantage, you can /exec $LINE=5 ;P |
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| 01:33.35 | microsys | and a very lot of disadvantages |
| 01:33.53 | zweideutig | microsys: Why would that be a good thing? |
| 01:33.59 | SimonRaven | no kidding =) |
| 01:34.17 | zweideutig | /exec $LINE=5 is an advantage? |
| 01:34.27 | SimonRaven | not really |
| 01:34.36 | microsys | zweideutig this is eindeutig /exec $LINE=5 |
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| 01:35.29 | whitelight_ | microsys: all elementary my friend, all elementary :) |
| 01:35.50 | Technel | I used APT to installed apache2, and I see that the DocumentRoot is at /var/www/apache2-default/, but it doesn't seem to be defined in the apache2.conf file. Where is it set? |
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| 01:36.14 | mfrisch | sites-enabled |
| 01:36.23 | microsys | but root is the second most loved nick, right after susi18 - u will get that many friends helping you in seconds |
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| 01:36.44 | wookienz | hi, what command line can i use to up date my dyndns? |
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| 01:37.00 | SimonRaven | Technel: see /etc/apache2/conf.d, and /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 01:37.04 | zweideutig | wookienz: The shell. |
| 01:37.09 | microsys | hihi |
| 01:37.22 | SimonRaven | even better dpkg -L apache2 apache2-common | less |
| 01:37.29 | microsys | you can use telnet if your good |
| 01:37.49 | SimonRaven | "you're" |
| 01:37.56 | microsys | right |
| 01:38.14 | zweideutig | SimonRaven: Thank you, I am glad I didn't have to be the grammar nazi. |
| 01:38.17 | microsys | spelin broplem`s on teh drack |
| 01:38.19 | microsys | ;P |
| 01:38.23 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 01:38.27 | zweideutig | I was a spelling nazi at a local resturaunt today. |
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| 01:38.37 | microsys | but i advice you to use ez-ipupdate, pretty good |
| 01:38.39 | wookienz | zweideutig: what command at the shell? |
| 01:38.54 | SimonRaven | luckily that's the only thing 'nazi' about me ;). i don't like them at all |
| 01:38.55 | alchem | wookienz , /etc/init.d/ddclient force-reload |
| 01:39.05 | zweideutig | The waitress spelled hamburger as ham bergar. |
| 01:39.12 | SimonRaven | oi |
| 01:39.16 | microsys | loool |
| 01:39.24 | mfrisch | hitler did not allow smoking |
| 01:39.36 | microsys | guys im getting heartattacks stop that please |
| 01:39.37 | microsys | ;P |
| 01:39.42 | SimonRaven | hitler was an intolerant asshole |
| 01:39.49 | microsys | yes he was |
| 01:39.57 | microsys | luckily he was |
| 01:39.58 | zweideutig | I told the waitress I wouldn't pay her a tip because of this error. I said that if she had spelled it properly on the slip, I would have paid $15 USD tip. |
| 01:40.02 | alchem | wookienz, you can also use: ddclient -refresh -force -retry in any case 'man ddclient' would do the trick |
| 01:40.14 | microsys | pronounced on "was" |
| 01:40.18 | SimonRaven | zweideutig: yeh right ;) |
| 01:40.31 | microsys | written language is dangerous |
| 01:40.34 | zweideutig | SimonRaven: Makes me feel like a generous person to say that. ;) |
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| 01:40.44 | SimonRaven | hehe |
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| 01:42.03 | SimonRaven | brb |
| 01:42.11 | sk | \leave |
| 01:42.13 | ezerhoden | does anyone know of a bootable cd with a shredding app? I have a HD I need to send back and I want to wipe it 1st |
| 01:42.37 | Guerin | ezerhoden: encrypt it with gpg |
| 01:42.37 | Technel | SimonRaven, Thanks :) |
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| 01:42.39 | mfrisch | ezerhoden darik |
| 01:42.57 | marc7 | if I run an `apt-get source linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6`... how could I "build" the source that I've downloaded? |
| 01:43.02 | mfrisch | ezerhoden sysrescue cd |
| 01:43.03 | Guerin | the data will still be there, but nobody'll be able to get to it without several hundred thousand years time in a supercomputing lab |
| 01:43.16 | Guerin | !wayc marc7 |
| 01:43.17 | dpkg | marc7: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 01:43.26 | ezerhoden | mfrisch: i already have system rescue cd, I will have a look |
| 01:43.37 | marc7 | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 01:43.51 | Guerin | !kernel package |
| 01:43.51 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (use zless or lynx), or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 01:43.53 | Guerin | !kp mantra |
| 01:43.54 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4"; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 01:44.06 | microsys | dpkg is always spamming the channel |
| 01:44.08 | microsys | *hide* |
| 01:44.09 | Guerin | bah, whitelight == lightvision |
| 01:44.12 | marc7 | look at step 2, it's asking to grab the source for linux-* ... and then in the third paragraph it says to "build" the package |
| 01:44.12 | mfrisch | ezerhoden the new one has f2 option to nuke all disks |
| 01:44.18 | zweideutig | Guerin: In a fraction of several hundred thousand years computers will exist fast enough to crack it several hours. |
| 01:44.22 | microsys | whitelight == we*d |
| 01:44.30 | Guerin | zweideutig: obviously. |
| 01:44.43 | ezerhoden | mfrisch: great, i will get a new copy, mine is about a year old |
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| 01:45.04 | Guerin | whitelight/lightvision: queen of fucktardia, has to keep changing her nick so people don't get wise to her |
| 01:45.04 | marc7 | Guerin: no no, i can't use a package, none of those ! commands are helping here |
| 01:45.06 | mfrisch | ezerhoden ;-) |
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| 01:45.17 | Guerin | marc7: you can MAKE a proper package |
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| 01:45.26 | marc7 | i'm trying, through use of make-kpkg |
| 01:45.35 | Guerin | marc7: then the kp mantra is for you |
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| 01:45.51 | Guerin | marc7: apply it to the properly configured kernel source tree of your choice |
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| 01:46.07 | marc7 | i don't see how export flags are going to help me build this version of debian-installer from source |
| 01:46.15 | marc7 | because I'm trying to create a new netinst cd to install from |
| 01:46.26 | marc7 | oh, wait.. hold on |
| 01:46.29 | marc7 | *cluing in* |
| 01:47.04 | marc7 | let me give that a shot, thanks Guerin |
| 01:47.06 | Guerin | marc7: you need to build a kernel - make-kpkg does that. |
| 01:47.10 | Guerin | enjoy. |
| 01:47.26 | marc7 | right, the trick arises when we're trying to make a netinst cd with our new found kernel image |
| 01:47.36 | marc7 | which has been the source of much grief this weekend |
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| 01:48.46 | factor | how can I get alsa to work under debian with the 2.6 kernl, I can get OSS but not alsa? |
| 01:48.48 | microsys | noroot is back ;P |
| 01:48.51 | SimonRaven | mfrisch: he also didn't allow jazz. the only musioc he allowed was stuff like german folk songs, and such. |
| 01:48.56 | nothing00 | hi everyone, I'm trying to send files through a gentoo livecd to a samba share on a local debian server, anyone wanna lend a hand? |
| 01:49.12 | Guerin | nothing00: #samba |
| 01:49.30 | mfrisch | SimonRaven he is in Hell any way |
| 01:49.37 | nothing00 | thanks |
| 01:49.38 | liable | !custom netinst |
| 01:49.39 | dpkg | it has been said that custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD |
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| 01:49.51 | TwistedEmotions2 | liable: Weee it works ;) |
| 01:49.57 | liable | marc7: try the second one. |
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| 01:50.13 | TwistedEmotions2 | liable: the settings were messed up ;) the ISP gave me better settings |
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| 01:50.20 | liable | TwistedEmotions2: :) what did you put into ifconfig? |
| 01:50.20 | TwistedEmotions2 | liable: ty for your help ;) |
| 01:50.23 | SimonRaven | mfrisch: indeed. his own hell. good riddance ;). but we do have to fight people like him |
| 01:50.37 | marc7 | liable: yeah, that's what I'm working through right now, i'm stuck on step 2, paragraph 3 |
| 01:50.48 | mfrisch | SimonRaven Jews Black Gays oh my! |
| 01:51.02 | factor | If I compile oss modules and ALSA modules in the kernel can I use ALSA or am I stuck with OSS? |
| 01:51.05 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 01:51.09 | microsys | Someone wanna finish the image? Just put the actual Gnome-arrangements into GConf-XML and add about 100 images to another XML-File and .... ? |
| 01:51.29 | nothing00 | is there any other type of file sharing I should try? |
| 01:51.29 | TwistedEmotions2 | liable: I guessed I was suppose to use the internal ip and shit but that wasn't working... he gave me external settings for gateway and it worked |
| 01:51.30 | TwistedEmotions2 | ;) |
| 01:51.35 | nothing00 | rather than samba? |
| 01:51.41 | nothing00 | it's between two linux boxed |
| 01:51.43 | nothing00 | boxes |
| 01:51.59 | microsys | ftp |
| 01:52.03 | microsys | sftp |
| 01:52.07 | microsys | nfs |
| 01:52.08 | nothing00 | ah |
| 01:52.09 | marc7 | liable: it says "Make sure the build dependencies of linux-kernel-di-i386 are satisfied and build the package"... and that's where I'm lost. |
| 01:52.10 | nothing00 | ofcourse |
| 01:52.16 | Fusionfox | where can i get the list of package to manual download em, after installing debian from netinstalll? |
| 01:52.22 | nothing00 | thanks a lot |
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| 01:52.40 | Elly | guys, eclipse package? |
| 01:52.40 | liable | TwistedEmotions2: nice. :) |
| 01:52.43 | SimonRaven | marc7: apt-get build-dep <package name> |
| 01:52.47 | microsys | packages.debian.org Fusionfox |
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| 01:52.56 | SimonRaven | Elly: what about it? |
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| 01:53.15 | Fusionfox | microsys: thanks |
| 01:53.34 | marc7 | SimonRaven: *exactly* what I was looking for. ugh, i feel like an idiot, -thank you-. |
| 01:53.53 | Elly | SimonRaven, does it exist? |
| 01:53.55 | SimonRaven | np, happens to all of us :) |
| 01:53.57 | Elly | if so, where can I get it? |
| 01:54.06 | SimonRaven | Elly: good question |
| 01:54.15 | SimonRaven | !tell Elly -about search |
| 01:54.15 | microsys | its getting cold on the feed (10cm space under the glassdoor) and hot on the head (5 computers running and waiting for the image) ... this is bad bad bad |
| 01:54.49 | phogg | microsys: stand on your head |
| 01:55.01 | Fusionfox | what command can i use to get KDE? |
| 01:55.13 | SimonRaven | !kde |
| 01:55.13 | dpkg | i heard kde is a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.2. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 01:55.14 | zweideutig | phogg: What? |
| 01:55.32 | SimonRaven | apt-get install kde |
| 01:55.37 | phogg | zweideutig: what do you mean 'what?'? |
| 01:55.43 | microsys | hihi, but then i will have to switch monitors, officechairs, tables, etc. then everything will be hot |
| 01:55.44 | zweideutig | phogg: Stand on his head? |
| 01:55.44 | Fusionfox | thx SimonRaven |
| 01:55.46 | microsys | ;P |
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| 01:56.07 | zweideutig | microsys: Chairs will not be needed. |
| 01:56.15 | phogg | zweideutig: cold feet, warm head. Swap head/feet... fixes prpoblem |
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| 01:56.32 | microsys | but i wann sit while being inverted |
| 01:56.33 | microsys | lol |
| 01:56.35 | croepha | is it ok to delete /var/cache/apt? |
| 01:56.44 | zweideutig | SimonRaven: No, apt-get install fluxbox |
| 01:56.48 | phogg | microsys: no solution is perfect |
| 01:56.50 | SimonRaven | no. use apt-gett (auto)clean |
| 01:57.00 | SimonRaven | s/gett/get/ |
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| 01:57.10 | SimonRaven | zweideutig: good answer |
| 01:57.18 | zweideutig | microsys: Alternatively, you could have a chair suspended from the ceiling. |
| 01:57.26 | microsys | hihihihi |
| 01:57.29 | zweideutig | microsys: With straps to hold you in. |
| 01:57.35 | microsys | i`ll ask to get that by monday |
| 01:57.36 | microsys | ;P |
| 01:58.20 | microsys | Being alone in the university is fun |
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| 01:58.37 | SimonRaven | oh shit |
| 01:58.45 | microsys | what happened? |
| 01:59.11 | SimonRaven | s'ok, just didn't want dinner to burn |
| 01:59.21 | zweideutig | I wonder how Firefox will like a 100 MHz Pentium with 48 MB of RAM. |
| 01:59.29 | SimonRaven | not very |
| 01:59.35 | microsys | ok, then i`ll take a short trip to the lug-pool |
| 01:59.38 | microsys | brb |
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| 02:00.01 | zweideutig | I had half gallon of icecream for dinner with two litres of Mountain Dew. |
| 02:00.02 | liable | marc7: i guess it means, make sure you have all the deps, http://packages.debian.org/testing/source/linux-kernel-di-i386 |
| 02:00.09 | liable | marc7: look at the depends.. |
| 02:00.17 | zweideutig | I need a better CPU. |
| 02:00.20 | SimonRaven | zweideutig: that would make me puke |
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| 02:00.30 | zweideutig | SimonRaven: Why? |
| 02:00.32 | liable | marc7: and substitute your kernel, and pcmcia stuff. |
| 02:00.33 | Elly | so...there is no eclipse package :( |
| 02:00.43 | SimonRaven | too much sugar; moutain dew |
| 02:00.45 | zweideutig | Vegetables make me puke. |
| 02:00.48 | liable | marc7: so basically, all you need is kernel-wedge |
| 02:00.50 | marc7 | liable: SimonRaven answered it... i wasn't sure what it meant by "build the package"... and it was just as simple as an apt-get build-dep <package> |
| 02:01.06 | marc7 | yep, i had the dependencies satisfied, just wasn't sure how I'd actually go about "building" it |
| 02:01.10 | zweideutig | I live mostly on McDonald's Big Macs, coffee, Mountain Dew, donuts, and icecream. |
| 02:01.13 | SimonRaven | marc7: first thing you run actually ;) |
| 02:01.24 | SimonRaven | zweideutig: my condolences |
| 02:01.25 | marc7 | first? what? |
| 02:01.39 | SimonRaven | apt-get build-dep foo |
| 02:01.44 | zweideutig | I always was fed that way when I grew up. |
| 02:01.56 | marc7 | apt-get source foo; (edit files); apt-get build-dep foo |
| 02:01.58 | marc7 | right? |
| 02:02.09 | SimonRaven | more or less |
| 02:02.19 | Seb | wow, dsbl.org actually lists gmx.net as a spammer relay since yesterday ! Sheesh, that's a bit... extremist... |
| 02:02.50 | SimonRaven | eh, i was listed on njabl once. got removed 2 days later |
| 02:03.08 | SimonRaven | haven't been listed anywhere since |
| 02:03.12 | microsys | http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=eclipse&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all Elly |
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| 02:03.55 | SimonRaven | Seb: probably some asshole found a problem in their MTA configs, and exploited it |
| 02:04.25 | Seb | SimonRaven: the asshole in question works for dsbl.org :\ http://dsbl.org/listing?213.165.64.20 |
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| 02:04.34 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 02:04.46 | whitelight_ | I cant locate libmp3lame |
| 02:04.59 | SimonRaven | s/exploit/tested/ |
| 02:05.00 | Seb | SimonRaven: it seems there's a possible exploit on servers using pop-before-smtp, but shit, those people are acting pretty high and mighty |
| 02:05.04 | whitelight_ | can someone tell me how I can download libmp3lame for use with audacity? |
| 02:05.05 | Seb | SimonRaven: heh |
| 02:05.17 | Seb | whitelight_: ask dpkg about marillay |
| 02:05.24 | Seb | marillat |
| 02:05.32 | SimonRaven | indeed. better to use smtp auth now. pop|imap-before-smtp is getting old |
| 02:05.35 | whitelight_ | I have marillat in my sources |
| 02:06.07 | zweideutig | whitelight_: marillat is evil, don't use it. It is also potentially illegal. |
| 02:06.12 | microsys | sure there is, you just need to fake being a connection from the pop-before-user |
| 02:06.19 | Seb | SimonRaven: it is indeed, but cutting some slack to huge providers like gmx would seem to make more sense than just listing them as an open-relay :\ |
| 02:06.22 | zweideutig | marillat has software that isn't free. |
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| 02:06.24 | SimonRaven | Seb: they do; i question the use of spamcop, due to their extreme 'pickiness' |
| 02:06.24 | [A]Imelturface | Great. |
| 02:06.24 | microsys | but thats not really easy |
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| 02:06.25 | microsys | *G* |
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| 02:06.37 | [A]Imelturface | A long time of wrestling with a partition manager and I get Debian installed. |
| 02:06.37 | Elly | microsys, the links given on that page don't work (DNS failure) |
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| 02:06.42 | whitelight_ | zweideutig: how I can download libmp3lame for use with audacity? |
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| 02:07.01 | zweideutig | whitelight_: What platform? PPC? |
| 02:07.03 | [A]Imelturface | All's going well, and my internet isn't working right. Why? No clue. It reads it fine... but can't ping the gateway. |
| 02:07.05 | microsys | they work for me Elly |
| 02:07.14 | microsys | may you should change your DNS? |
| 02:07.15 | zweideutig | whitelight_: Just google for it. |
| 02:07.16 | [A]Imelturface | And it doesn't work right* |
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| 02:07.23 | [A]Imelturface | Micro, I think it's my router. |
| 02:07.23 | Elly | www.linex.org, yes? |
| 02:07.34 | [A]Imelturface | Nvm. |
| 02:07.46 | SimonRaven | some of them are getting bad... they outright list dial-up, when most dial-up users hate spam... just a minority of idiots abusing dial-up accounts |
| 02:07.49 | microsys | no not that one |
| 02:07.50 | [A]Imelturface | Ok - anyone know how to set up linux... with an evil router? |
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| 02:08.00 | Seb | SimonRaven: how is *your* mail-server doing by the way ? |
| 02:08.02 | Seb | :) |
| 02:08.07 | SimonRaven | [A]Imelturface: routing? |
| 02:08.13 | SimonRaven | Seb: working ok |
| 02:08.15 | [A]Imelturface | Wow. Thx simon. |
| 02:08.17 | [A]Imelturface | That helped. |
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| 02:08.31 | zweideutig | SimonRaven: Dial-Up users hate spam because they have to download it. If they had webmail, they wouldn't mind. |
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| 02:08.39 | SimonRaven | Seb: same addies work, FYI ;) |
| 02:08.42 | whitelight_ | zweideutig: Sarge |
| 02:08.57 | zweideutig | In my experience, Dial-Up users are grandmothers and unintelligent youth. |
| 02:08.59 | [A]Imelturface | How do I set up Linux' network stuff with a router? |
| 02:09.03 | Seb | SimonRaven: heh, thanks, but stop reading my mind please, that feels uncomfortable :D |
| 02:09.08 | [A]Imelturface | Zweideutig: Or those who don't have broadband available. |
| 02:09.14 | liable | yes. |
| 02:09.15 | alchem | zweideutig, "they wouldn't mind"...guess again :-) |
| 02:09.20 | sk_ | hi anybody familar with locale settings ?? |
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| 02:09.34 | ke6isf | !anybody |
| 02:09.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 02:09.49 | SimonRaven | zweideutig: sure, some wouldn't, but it's a lot of work to do a crapload of whois lookups like my friend does on dial-up ;) |
| 02:09.53 | SimonRaven | Seb: hehe |
| 02:10.06 | zweideutig | And broadband users are uninformed fools running Windows 98 and Windows XP PCs directly off Adelphia High Speed Internet with no service packs. |
| 02:10.08 | SimonRaven | i can't help it =) |
| 02:10.21 | microsys | sry, dunno then |
| 02:10.23 | SimonRaven | zweideutig: all too many... |
| 02:10.39 | microsys | <-- back on work now ;P Image-finish-line almost |
| 02:10.49 | zweideutig | On Dial-Up you can get killed by ping floods though. |
| 02:11.04 | [A]Imelturface | Alrighty then... someone mind telling me what IP's and such I'm supposed to use when setting up the internet part of linux if I have a router? |
| 02:11.11 | [A]Imelturface | I've got what my router says and what IPCONFIG says |
| 02:11.30 | zweideutig | I have Adelphia, and my NetBSD machine (firewall box)'s ipf logs show alot of ping floods being blocked. |
| 02:11.32 | ke6isf | [A]Imelturface: First, you might want to remove the brackets from your nick, it makes it hard to type. |
| 02:11.33 | liable | [A]Imelturface: it doesnt do dhcp? |
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| 02:11.47 | Sylvisj | Liable, I'd think it would, but it isn't. |
| 02:11.50 | zweideutig | And lame port scans for exploits. |
| 02:11.51 | Sylvisj | It should. |
| 02:12.09 | zweideutig | So Adelphia responds by "protecting me" by blocking ports. |
| 02:12.30 | Sylvisj | I think the reason DHCP isn't working is I have something put in wrong. |
| 02:12.33 | ke6isf | I'm considering opening up a monopd server, which uses port 1234 (the same one that the Hotline service uses). Are there any concerns with this that are known at this time? |
| 02:12.34 | zweideutig | Sharing an ISP with idiots certainly has its drawbacks. |
| 02:12.51 | Technel | In Debian with the GNOME desktop env, how would I have it automatically execute an xmodmap command? I did some research, and it should be ~/.xmodmap for GNOME, but that file does not exit for me...I have also try xinitrc and a few others... |
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| 02:13.24 | Sylvisj | Hmmm... |
| 02:13.29 | Sylvisj | I don't know. This is pissing me off. |
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| 02:13.44 | zweideutig | Technel: Have you tried .xinitrc then? |
| 02:13.49 | Sylvisj | It asked for IP and crap during setup, didn't know which to put in - what my router said or what ipconfig said. |
| 02:14.10 | jkern | Technel, do you want to have a ~/.xmodmap? |
| 02:14.12 | zweideutig | Technel: xinitrc != .xinitrc |
| 02:14.13 | SimonRaven | zweideutig: i see the same crap. ping floods like: "ICMP PING CyberKit 2.2 Windows [Classification: Misc activity] [Priority: 3]: {ICMP} 66.14.149.37 -> ....", and other stupidities |
| 02:14.39 | zweideutig | I have blocked all CTCP stuff. |
| 02:14.45 | liable | Technel: you need to make the file.. |
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| 02:15.07 | albo | can i use dpkg -l from another system to rebuild a new system exactly? |
| 02:15.11 | MotoHoss | what can i do to restart the installation (1st reboot) apt-get dwnloads suddnely went to a crawl..... debian srage kernel2.6 |
| 02:15.14 | Technel | liable, So if I create create ~/.Xmodmap it will automatically be run by Debian on startup? |
| 02:15.17 | lultravioet16 | does anyone know the correct syntax in sftp copy a directory? |
| 02:15.19 | marc7 | so, the saga continues... after running a `make-kpkg -rev 2.6.8-16 kernel_image`, at the end of the compile at the cleanup stage, we get this error message: dpkg-gencontrol: error: package kernel-image-2.6.8 not in control info |
| 02:15.41 | Technel | jkern, Yes I want to have one |
| 02:15.46 | caphuso | albo: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 02:15.47 | Sylvisj | Alright people, when setting up the IP's and such, should I put in the ip's my router says or the ip's ipconfig says? |
| 02:15.58 | liable | Technel: and i dont think gnome plays nice with xmodmap anymore, so you need to get xmodmap called at startup, look for an autostart dir, in .gnome |
| 02:16.00 | jkern | Technel, liable is telling you... |
| 02:16.09 | lultravioet16 | like is put gonna do it? |
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| 02:16.32 | lac | My debian installation is somehow completely screwed, and kde shows no fonts. I have done dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig to no avail |
| 02:16.44 | Sylvisj | Anyone help out here? Alright people, when setting up the IP's and such, should I put in the ip's my router says or the ip's ipconfig says? |
| 02:17.08 | SimonRaven | Sylvisj: what? |
| 02:17.08 | Vamplegends | anyone knows how to set Apache2? |
| 02:17.19 | lultravioet16 | in other words I need to upload a directory using sftp and I'm basically wondering if put will get the job done |
| 02:17.20 | Sylvisj | Copy/paste job, Simon. |
| 02:17.26 | Sylvisj | Read the second sentence. |
| 02:17.29 | liable | Sylvisj: the internal ones from ipconfig, man interfaces, man ifconfig |
| 02:17.39 | Sylvisj | Alright. |
| 02:17.40 | Technel | liable, /home/michael/.gnome only has GnuCash accels gnome-vfs mime-info... |
| 02:17.42 | SimonRaven | Vamplegends: #apache2 does. apt-get install apache2-doc; cd /usr/share/apache2-doc; less README* does too |
| 02:17.51 | Sylvisj | I'll try it, thx liable. Brb in a few most likely. |
| 02:18.01 | lac | and my current doing is: dpkg --get-selections >deb-file.txt |
| 02:18.02 | albo | is there a way to get 2 ip's running off one iface |
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| 02:18.05 | liable | Technel: google gnome autostart, i dont use it.. |
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| 02:18.35 | lac | then dpkg --set-selections >deb-file.txt |
| 02:18.42 | Vamplegends | ty much man |
| 02:18.50 | Vamplegends | SimonRaven, thank you very much! |
| 02:18.55 | Technel | Well gnome has the thing where you can specify commands to run at boot, but I put the xmodmap in there and it didn't work |
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| 02:19.09 | lac | but this is taking a huge amount of time. can you just reset like this, or have i made a bad error? |
| 02:19.16 | jsn | what's that really nice mapping software in debian? |
| 02:19.29 | MotoHoss | how can i resart the portion of the install after selecting 'desktop envirionment'? |
| 02:19.29 | jsn | very math-based, rather than easy to use? |
| 02:19.34 | lac | oops I meant set < file, of course |
| 02:19.42 | liable | Technel: try xmodmap ~/.xmodmap |
| 02:19.56 | caphuso | lac: you need dpkg --set-selections < deb-file.txt |
| 02:20.14 | caphuso | lac: and you need to copy the deb-file.txt file again because you just emptied it |
| 02:20.16 | Elly | gah, microsys, this eclipse package won't install either |
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| 02:21.03 | lac | jsn: you want cartological maps or logical mathematical ones, or what sort? |
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| 02:22.43 | jsn | lac: i suppose it was cartographical. i remember one website explained how they did increasing numbers of dimensions using ... i remember the phrase, i will try to google it "weird uses of color" iirc |
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| 02:23.33 | jkern | /etc/init.d/networking is telling me "/etc/network/options is deprecated." OK what should be the right file? |
| 02:23.35 | jsn | no, that wasn't it |
| 02:23.37 | lac | jsn: ok, you want maps as in 'how to get from place a to place b' |
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| 02:24.03 | jsn | lac: no, how to represent the earth, and perhaps stuff like "and show more green where there is more rainfall" using data input |
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| 02:24.11 | lac | jsn: as opposed to what I do ' a map of why your compiler is generating inefficient and buggy code' |
| 02:24.14 | llama32 | are there any channels where i could ask about GUI toolkit implementation? |
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| 02:24.32 | xFlux | anyone around with extensive cyrus experience? |
| 02:24.50 | SimonRaven | jkern: the changelog.Debian talks of this |
| 02:24.55 | xFlux | I have imap working, need to get pop3 going...When I logon with pop3 I get a bad password error |
| 02:24.57 | SimonRaven | xFlux: just ask |
| 02:25.01 | xFlux | I did |
| 02:25.01 | jsn | lac: I am looking for "math" software, certainly |
| 02:25.01 | xFlux | :) |
| 02:25.05 | lac | jsn: ok cool. i cannot help you alas. I have killer debian app for mapping compilers. |
| 02:25.25 | jkern | SimonRaven, what package please? |
| 02:25.25 | jsn | weird, i don't know what a map of a compiler would be |
| 02:25.58 | SimonRaven | xFlux: it uses the same exact authz/authc stuff as the imap bits do. what does the log say? |
| 02:26.15 | SimonRaven | jkern: dpkg -S /etc/init.d/networking ... |
| 02:26.18 | lac | jsn: weird maybe a different word should have been used, but that's history for you, |
| 02:26.35 | Stereo | damn you, nvidia |
| 02:26.54 | SimonRaven | @curse nvidia |
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| 02:26.55 | ravenbird | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nvidia ! |
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| 02:27.17 | Stereo | may all graphics card manufacturers have scorpions eating their eyeballs |
| 02:27.25 | jkern | SimonRaven, OK I tried that with /etc/network/options, doh! |
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| 02:27.42 | xFlux | SimonRaven: imapd is authenticating through sasl/shadow, pop3 I have no idea...I can't find any documents on pop3 configuration with cyrus |
| 02:27.44 | lac | Stereo: may I borrow that curse. I like it. |
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| 02:28.16 | SimonRaven | xFlux: it's the same. and should be in the -doc package |
| 02:28.29 | xFlux | hmm ill recheck |
| 02:28.43 | Stereo | lac: I think it's from Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis. Fantastic videogame. |
| 02:28.45 | zweideutig | !root |
| 02:28.45 | jsn | Oh well, maybe it wsn't a debian program. |
| 02:28.45 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 02:28.46 | jsn | sorry |
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| 02:29.29 | SimonRaven | there's an alternate: "may the fleas of 10 000 caribou nest in your genitals" |
| 02:29.34 | Stereo | "May scorpions eat out your eyeballs", when indy catches the shopkeeper in a cage in algiers |
| 02:29.45 | Stereo | how very canadian of you, Simon |
| 02:29.50 | kittenbot | llama32: Doesn't look like it. Mailing lists are probably your best bet, for that kind of thing. |
| 02:30.02 | kittenbot | llama32: What do you want to know/trying to do ? |
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| 02:30.13 | SimonRaven | what did i do now? |
| 02:30.23 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 02:30.25 | jkern | SimonRaven, well well, I have a brand new install, one week. zless /usr/share/doc/netbase/changelog.gz says "... |
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| 02:30.56 | lac | ok, I did it properly i.e dpkg --get-selections > /tmp/deb.out; dpkg --set-selections < /tmp/deb.out |
| 02:30.57 | llama32 | kittenbot: im attempting a server-side-widgets GUI server, and wondering if im doing vbox/hbox right... i think i am, ill just try it then look if im wrong :) |
| 02:31.01 | SimonRaven | jkern: changelog.Debian*. i.e., the debian/changelog file |
| 02:31.02 | jkern | SimonRaven, /etc/network/options is now deprecated and will not be created anymoron new installse |
| 02:31.10 | lac | its been 2 hours. is this normal? |
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| 02:31.39 | SimonRaven | jkern: yeh. didn't remember what it said, but i knew it mentioned that |
| 02:32.09 | kittenbot | llama32: I couldn't latch onto your context -- but good luck anyway! :) |
| 02:32.12 | SimonRaven | lac: shouldn't be more than 5 minutes total, give or take |
| 02:32.17 | Stereo | ah, it was "May scorpions pluck out your eyeballs!" |
| 02:32.23 | Stereo | May the sun addle your brains and cook your flesh! |
| 02:32.30 | jkern | SimonRaven, do I just ignore it or delete -- doesn't mention what or if it was replaced with something else. |
| 02:32.30 | Stereo | May the wind scatter your bones where none shall find them! |
| 02:32.32 | zweideutig | I would like dpkg to automatically resolve dependencies as it installs a package. |
| 02:32.44 | Stereo | May the sand cover you without a trace! |
| 02:32.52 | Stereo | May you die without water, Jones! |
| 02:32.58 | SimonRaven | may your freeze at the bottom of an iced-over well, and polar bears eat your dead body |
| 02:33.05 | SimonRaven | s/your/you/ |
| 02:33.07 | lac | ok, will nuke and try again, but what i want to know is is the format you get in --getcommands acceptable to --setcommands |
| 02:33.07 | Stereo | May a thousand jackals feast on your entrails! |
| 02:33.08 | nite613 | lac: Yeah, it shouldn't take long at all |
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| 02:33.12 | Stereo | and I'll stop after that |
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| 02:33.14 | llama32 | kittenbot: thanks, ill need it |
| 02:33.21 | zweideutig | SimonRaven: And your body is not good enough for polar bears. |
| 02:33.38 | SimonRaven | zweideutig: yeh, they like juicy seals ;) |
| 02:33.42 | terrencevak | Is there a way to force apt-get to install a package regardless of dependencies? |
| 02:33.53 | nite613 | lac: You mean get-selections compatible with set-selections? It is. |
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| 02:34.06 | john | terrencevak: -f |
| 02:34.16 | lac | I mean that the file I made is suitable for < |
| 02:34.21 | zweideutig | May you ingest As and excrete K while sitting on your toilet. |
| 02:34.31 | SimonRaven | zweideutig: i'm a thin 140-ish lbs., 1m72-ish dude. they'd starve eating me =) |
| 02:34.41 | zweideutig | I am fat. |
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| 02:34.59 | zweideutig | Got me weight just under 350. |
| 02:35.08 | SimonRaven | i've tried gaining weight... |
| 02:35.13 | zweideutig | s/me/my/ |
| 02:35.18 | SimonRaven | i just end up fidgeting more |
| 02:35.30 | zweideutig | I couldn't resist eating two half gallon containers of ice cream. :( |
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| 02:35.45 | llama32 | :| |
| 02:35.50 | terrencevak | John, when I do that, it just tells me the package depends on something, but that said package won't be installed. |
| 02:35.50 | zweideutig | My goal is 300 pounds. |
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| 02:35.58 | SimonRaven | well, it does taste good =) |
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| 02:36.03 | marc7 | okay, a little off of the ice cream subject... |
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| 02:36.12 | zweideutig | Then I would only be 80 pounds overweight. |
| 02:36.17 | SimonRaven | goals are good |
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| 02:36.22 | zweideutig | marc7: My apologies. |
| 02:36.28 | llama32 | zweideutig: whats that in kg? |
| 02:36.55 | zweideutig | kittenbot: Use dimensional analysis. ;) |
| 02:36.56 | marc7 | our make-kpkg is bailing out when it tries to run `dpkg-gencontrol -DArchitecture=i386 -isp -pkernel-image-2.6.8 -Pdebian/tmp-image/` |
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| 02:37.05 | kittenbot | 136 ? |
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| 02:37.17 | marc7 | and if we changed -pkernel-image-2.6.8 to -pkernel-source-2.6.8, everything would work fine |
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| 02:37.21 | zweideutig | llama32: 350 lb is about 158 kg |
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| 02:37.47 | kittenbot | zweideutig: I haven't used dimentional analysis in years -- but did you really mean to direct that at me ? |
| 02:37.54 | marc7 | does anyone know what makefile or control file we'd need to alter to let the install script finish it's course |
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| 02:38.13 | jsn | I was thinking of GMT |
| 02:38.15 | zweideutig | kittenbot: No, I was intending it to be directed at llama32. |
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| 02:38.27 | zweideutig | llama32: Use dimensional analysis. |
| 02:38.42 | Cheikh | can someone help me please i need to know how to chroot in my system so that i can run lilo i cant boot any longer right now i am using knoppix 3.6 |
| 02:38.53 | zweideutig | llama32: For converting one unit to another. |
| 02:38.56 | kittenbot | 1 kg = 2.2 lb |
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| 02:39.38 | Guerin | 158kg is fucking huge |
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| 02:39.53 | zweideutig | Debian on a 100 MHz IBM with 48 MB of RAM isn't too bad as a workstation using icewm and dillo. |
| 02:40.12 | Guerin | zweideutig: even better if you can run it as an X terminal |
| 02:40.29 | zweideutig | Guerin: Yeah, I am doing that with my 233 MHz Dell Latitude actually. |
| 02:40.40 | zweideutig | Guerin: To my 1.25 GHz Mac Mini. |
| 02:40.54 | peterrooney | llama32: dimensional analysis is being anal about including the units of measure in every step of the calculation, and seeing if your anwer comes out in units you would expect. |
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| 02:41.13 | Guerin | eew, mac mini |
| 02:41.14 | zweideutig | Or was it 2001. |
| 02:41.32 | Rylie | #debian-offtopic |
| 02:41.36 | jkern | SimonRaven, thanks /etc/network/options duplicates stuff already in /etc/init.d/networking but similar options can be installed via /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 02:41.49 | zweideutig | Guerin: My Mac Mini with Debian serves me well. |
| 02:42.05 | kittenbot | Rylie: No need to change channel, you're in the right place :P |
| 02:42.09 | zweideutig | I don't care for Mac OS X, but with Debian my Mac Mini is fune. |
| 02:42.25 | SimonRaven | jkern: yeh. i've been doing that for ages |
| 02:42.31 | terrencevak | Wow! You could put Debian on a mac? |
| 02:42.39 | SimonRaven | terrencevak: duh |
| 02:42.44 | Guerin | terrencevak: why wouldn't you? |
| 02:42.49 | zweideutig | terrencevak: Yes, Debian is the NetBSD of Linux. ;) |
| 02:43.01 | Guerin | zweideutig: that statement is wrong in so many ways... |
| 02:43.15 | terrencevak | I always thought macs were pretty much hard-coded for their own OS. |
| 02:43.19 | zweideutig | Guerin: Was "eww mac mini" directed toward Mac OS X? |
| 02:43.22 | SimonRaven | uh, no |
| 02:43.23 | jkern | SimonRaven, I was confused: /etc/sysctl.conf mentions that setting therein could be overwritted by /etc/network/options. hehe... |
| 02:43.23 | zweideutig | Guerin: It is. |
| 02:43.29 | Guerin | that's what apple WANTS you to think |
| 02:43.42 | SimonRaven | not hard-coded at all, in fact, not since the coloured imac days |
| 02:43.50 | Guerin | zweideutig: basically just about crappleware in general, but their OSen are worse than their hardware |
| 02:44.02 | SimonRaven | jkern: old comments... heh |
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| 02:44.22 | albo | are there any raid controllers where you can start with smaller disks say 40 G. take one out after a while, put a larger one in, sync em up, then put another larger one in and thereby smoothly increase your size |
| 02:44.30 | SimonRaven | Guerin: they've improved... even os x is more bsdish now |
| 02:44.53 | jkern | SimonRaven, yep, but this was a very new install; so, the new comment seems to be misleading as well. |
| 02:44.58 | Guerin | SimonRaven: yeah, but it's still dumbed-down to the point of uselessness |
| 02:45.04 | SimonRaven | jkern: *shrug* |
| 02:45.13 | zweideutig | I use my Mac Mini over VNC, and it is fine for what I do - Mainly running rxvt, Firefox, fluxbox and software development. |
| 02:45.17 | jkern | SimonRaven, yep |
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| 02:45.27 | SimonRaven | Guerin: open Terminal sometime ;) |
| 02:45.47 | zweideutig | By software development I mean writing C programs with vi and compiling them with gcc. |
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| 02:46.01 | SimonRaven | zweideutig: wow, amazing ;p |
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| 02:46.16 | SimonRaven | isn't that how it's usually done ? ;) |
| 02:46.19 | zweideutig | Guerin: Mac Mini hardware dumbed down to the point of uselessness? I beg to differ. |
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| 02:46.31 | Guerin | zweideutig: no, macox |
| 02:46.32 | zweideutig | SimonRaven: Some might use kdevelop. |
| 02:46.34 | Guerin | osx |
| 02:46.38 | zweideutig | Guerin: I agree. |
| 02:46.46 | Guerin | zweideutig: the hardware's just hardware. |
| 02:47.10 | SimonRaven | mac h/w is some of the best i've seen, other than some their flops. the os does have a lot to be desired however, despite my crowing about it |
| 02:47.15 | zweideutig | I bought the Mac Mini to try Mac OS X. I hated Mac OS X and put Debian on it, which I am hapy with. |
| 02:47.47 | SimonRaven | yeh. debian works nicely on old and new mac ppcs |
| 02:47.49 | Guerin | for the price of a mac mini you could have bought three similarly-specced wintel boxen |
| 02:47.52 | zweideutig | I don't like the idea of closing the last window not killing the app. |
| 02:48.02 | SimonRaven | ugh *shudder* |
| 02:48.12 | zweideutig | Guerin: Ah but I wanted to be able to say it was PPC. ;) |
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| 02:48.42 | zweideutig | I also built a 3.8 GHz Pentium 4 server I run FreeBSD on. |
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| 02:49.08 | Guerin | way to feed the 'apple customers are pretentious tossers' stereotype |
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| 02:49.25 | zweideutig | The Mac Mini (the computer itself) is a great form factor for my small desk here by the server. |
| 02:49.39 | SimonRaven | a buncha mac minis you could set up a small cluster |
| 02:49.50 | Daveman | hahaha |
| 02:49.53 | SimonRaven | or some fail over web servers or such |
| 02:50.00 | zweideutig | Nah. |
| 02:50.03 | Guerin | SimonRaven: hah, all those laptop harddrives and passively-cooled boxen |
| 02:50.06 | Guerin | great idea |
| 02:50.24 | SimonRaven | who sys you have to stick to what they have? ;) |
| 02:50.26 | Dewi | does anyone know how to make rsync unicode-capable between linux and windows systems? |
| 02:50.30 | SimonRaven | says* |
| 02:50.39 | comex | When I type CTRL-ALT-F1 from X, it prints "P" to xterm/konsole but doesn't do anything in the way of switching to terminal. CTRL-ALT-* works fine when not in X. |
| 02:51.02 | zweideutig | The Mac Mini with an old laptop as an X "console" is a great workstation. |
| 02:51.09 | SimonRaven | Dewi: windoze doesn't do unicode |
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| 02:51.15 | Dewi | SimonRaven: of course it does |
| 02:51.15 | Guerin | it does |
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| 02:51.19 | Guerin | just not utf-8 |
| 02:51.20 | Dewi | SimonRaven: it's unicode by default |
| 02:51.25 | SimonRaven | it does m$-"unicode" |
| 02:51.26 | Guerin | windows uses utf-16 |
| 02:51.27 | Dewi | (NT versions) |
| 02:51.36 | Guerin | but yeah, it's mangulated |
| 02:51.36 | shimano55 | How do I quit the X-Server??? (like the opposite of startx) |
| 02:51.41 | Guerin | and they call it another name |
| 02:52.05 | comex | shimano55: forcibly, CTRL-ALT-backspace |
| 02:52.09 | Elly | how about CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+F1? |
| 02:52.13 | Dewi | well, rsync is mangling non-ascii characters in filenames |
| 02:52.14 | albo | /www/cron/adnetwork_connection.php |
| 02:52.16 | albo | web@ganymede:~$ tar -cvf --exclude adnetwork foo.tar /www/ | grep adnetwork | head -n1 |
| 02:52.21 | SimonRaven | Guerin: send the h/w, i'll build it ;) |
| 02:52.23 | albo | why doesnt exclude work |
| 02:52.26 | Guerin | SimonRaven: hah |
| 02:52.27 | Phated | Why do you need the shift? :) |
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| 02:52.35 | poonj | hey guys..I'm using ndiswrapper for a wireless card I have. For some reason, I rarely can obtain a ipaddress through dhcp when I boot up my computer. Most of the time it just times out and I have to manually do ifup wlan0 after the computer boots up. Is this typically a problem with wireless cards in linux? Is it ndiswrapper or the card? As a way around it, is it possible to give my wireless card a static ip and just bypass |
| 02:52.35 | poonj | dhcp? |
| 02:52.37 | Dewi | so I guess I can't use rsync anymore. |
| 02:52.43 | Dewi | pity there aren't really any alternatives. |
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| 02:53.22 | zweideutig | poonj: The solution is simple. |
| 02:53.39 | ambient1 | poonj: just edit /etc/network/interfaces and set it to static |
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| 02:53.47 | zweideutig | poonj: Buy properly documented (well supported) hardware. |
| 02:54.00 | ambient1 | poonj: check man interfaces for syntax |
| 02:54.14 | poonj | ambient1, my router shouldn't have a fit then.. |
| 02:54.16 | zweideutig | Perhaps he needs DHCP. |
| 02:54.19 | Dewi | zweideutig: how do you know he didn't? |
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| 02:54.25 | bosterita | Can they speak Spanish? |
| 02:54.34 | zweideutig | Dewi: Why is he using ndiswrapper then? |
| 02:54.40 | terrencevak | What's the difference between "make install" and "make paranoid-install"? |
| 02:54.50 | ambient1 | poonj: nope.. it won't care that you have it set to static.. as long as it's on the right subnet ;) |
| 02:54.55 | bosterita | wat? |
| 02:54.59 | poonj | ambient1, awesome..thanks |
| 02:55.12 | bosterita | piba-cumbiera84 |
| 02:55.16 | SimonRaven | terrencevak: read the Makefile |
| 02:55.18 | ambient1 | poonj: np :) |
| 02:55.23 | poonj | zweideutig, ndiswrapper works well... |
| 02:55.34 | bosterita | Canyou speak Spanish? |
| 02:55.40 | zweideutig | bosterita: Si |
| 02:55.42 | SimonRaven | @spanish |
| 02:55.43 | ravenbird | spanish users: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda |
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| 02:55.55 | Overand | actually nevermind i just figured it out anyway |
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| 02:57.08 | bosterita | como teva |
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| 02:58.09 | albo | web@ganymede:~$ tar -cvf --exclude adnetwork foo.tar /www/ | grep adnetwork | head -n1 |
| 02:58.17 | albo | why doesnt exclude work |
| 02:58.28 | zweideutig | bosterita: Sprache Deutsch? |
| 02:58.53 | zweideutig | bosterita: Ist muttersprache Deutsch? |
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| 02:59.02 | bosterita | no |
| 02:59.11 | zweideutig | boogie_: Nein? |
| 02:59.16 | spoopin | albo: --exclude=pattern |
| 02:59.30 | zweideutig | boogie_: Bitte weiderholen sie. |
| 02:59.31 | bosterita | Can you speak spanish? |
| 02:59.41 | SimonRaven | @spanish |
| 02:59.41 | zweideutig | bosterita: Bitte weiderholen sie. |
| 02:59.42 | ravenbird | spanish users: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda |
| 02:59.45 | zweideutig | bosterita: Nein. |
| 02:59.52 | bosterita | no |
| 02:59.59 | zweideutig | bosterita: Nein Spanish |
| 03:00.01 | Nurbs | wth. |
| 03:00.05 | bosterita | and Inglish? |
| 03:00.18 | albo | spoopin:look |
| 03:00.18 | albo | web001:~ hunterp$ tar -cvf --exclude='*t*' foo.tar ho | grep t1 |
| 03:00.19 | albo | ho/t1 |
| 03:00.19 | albo | web001:~ hunterp$ tar -cvf --exclude=t foo.tar ho | grep t1 |
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| 03:00.31 | zweideutig | SimonRaven: Sorry. |
| 03:00.35 | SimonRaven | stop pasting here albo |
| 03:00.37 | albo | spoopin: as you see, no .right? |
| 03:00.41 | zweideutig | I was speaking German. |
| 03:00.52 | bosterita | ohh |
| 03:00.59 | bosterita | ok |
| 03:01.10 | SimonRaven | you weren't being annoying, and trying to make a point, albeit obtuse |
| 03:01.21 | SimonRaven | and were trying* |
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| 03:02.48 | Dewi | I wonder if there is any way to transfer files between linux and windows without mangling unicode in the filenames |
| 03:03.31 | zweideutig | Dewi: Two keyboards and two monitors, and a fast data entry person. |
| 03:03.32 | Dewi | samba and rsync both seem to choke |
| 03:03.43 | spoopin | albo: you have to have the tarfile before the --exclude, i.e. tar -cvf file.tar --exclude=pattern |
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| 03:03.50 | Dewi | zweideutig: with a hundred thousand key keyboard? |
| 03:04.06 | neuonyx | im trying to do a dist-upgrade and i get this |
| 03:04.07 | neuonyx | udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. |
| 03:04.10 | neuonyx | and it bombs out |
| 03:04.13 | neuonyx | anyone know how to fix |
| 03:04.22 | neuonyx | and dont tell me to upgrade to 2.6.12 cuz when i try that i get the same error |
| 03:04.38 | Dewi | neuonyx: did you reboot first? |
| 03:04.42 | jkern | albo, the "f" in -cvf needs to be followed by the tar file name. |
| 03:04.49 | neuonyx | why do i have to reboot? |
| 03:04.52 | Dewi | neuonyx: that message occurs after a check of the currently running kernel, not the install kernel |
| 03:04.54 | neuonyx | there is no new kernel in place |
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| 03:05.12 | zweideutig | Dewi: No, they will select the proper character from a menu. |
| 03:05.21 | zweideutig | (on-screen menu) |
| 03:05.46 | zweideutig | Data entry people aren't intelligent enough to handle anything more than QWERTY. |
| 03:05.54 | Dewi | zweideutig: mmm. that really raises the TCO of linux. :P |
| 03:06.22 | neuonyx | ok maybe im missing something |
| 03:06.25 | neuonyx | how do i upgrade the kernel |
| 03:06.25 | neuonyx | ? |
| 03:06.38 | neuonyx | i tried this |
| 03:06.38 | Dewi | neuonyx: install a linux-kernel image with a version number >= 2.6.12 |
| 03:06.39 | neuonyx | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 03:06.46 | Dewi | yeah that looks right |
| 03:06.55 | neuonyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.00 | neuonyx | so it doesnt do anything |
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| 03:07.23 | Dewi | why not? |
| 03:07.27 | zweideutig | Dewi: We'll just enslave Solitaire addicts :P |
| 03:07.38 | Dewi | neuonyx: does a new enough udev fail to install or what? |
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| 03:08.02 | neuonyx | new udev requires newer kernel |
| 03:08.09 | neuonyx | newer kernel says that udev is a failed dependency |
| 03:08.13 | neuonyx | its stuck in a loop |
| 03:08.15 | neuonyx | catch-22 |
| 03:08.37 | Dewi | I don't think the new kernel requires the udev that needs it |
| 03:08.40 | EdLin | !udev |
| 03:08.40 | dpkg | somebody said udev was at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 03:08.46 | Dewi | are you running unstable or testing? |
| 03:08.54 | Dewi | EdLin: that's handy. |
| 03:08.58 | marc7 | okay guys, we're ready to tear our hair out here... we're trying to install debian on 9 servers this weekend and we're having no end of problem with the installation CD, we really need help. `make-kpkg` bails out with `dpkg-gencontrol: error: package kernel-image-2.6.8 not in control info`... any ideas on how we can troubleshoot this... or how we can boot into an environment where we can run the debian installer? |
| 03:09.09 | Dewi | Elly: why would documentation on udev explain why debian's udev package is broken? |
| 03:09.11 | neuonyx | testing |
| 03:09.13 | Dewi | er EdLin |
| 03:09.48 | neuonyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.49 | neuonyx | udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.12, upgrade aborted. |
| 03:09.54 | neuonyx | lol |
| 03:09.57 | neuonyx | round and round we go |
| 03:10.08 | Guerin | !force-loopbreak |
| 03:10.11 | Guerin | bah |
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| 03:10.20 | Dewi | neuonyx: http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 03:10.32 | Dewi | neuonyx: I don't see udev on that list. |
| 03:10.35 | Dewi | neuonyx: any idea why? |
| 03:10.37 | spoopin | marc7: are you trying to compile a custom kernel, or just install from the standard media? |
| 03:11.02 | marc7 | the standard media doesn't have hardware support for our RAID card... so we're compiling a custom kernel |
| 03:11.13 | Dewi | neuonyx: what is *really* depending on udev? |
| 03:11.13 | marc7 | following this guide: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 03:11.23 | neuonyx | how do i know? |
| 03:11.30 | albo | how could i make a tar of only directories |
| 03:11.33 | zweideutig | marc7: Media is plural medium |
| 03:11.42 | spoopin | marc7: ah. afraid I can't be much help then.. sorry. |
| 03:11.56 | nailbiter | marc7: Are you building this Debian kernel on another Debian system? |
| 03:11.57 | Dewi | neuonyx: perhaps the dep is in hal |
| 03:11.58 | marc7 | zweideutig: we're talking installation media |
| 03:12.04 | zweideutig | Okay. |
| 03:12.05 | neuonyx | i think |
| 03:12.18 | EdLin | albo: maybe find(1) could help |
| 03:12.24 | marc7 | nailbiter: yep, just barely managed to get it running on this other box, a 1.0GHz celeron, it's taking -forever- to compile |
| 03:12.29 | neuonyx | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 03:12.29 | neuonyx | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:12.30 | neuonyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.30 | Guerin | !loopbreak |
| 03:12.30 | dpkg | 'apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade'. Fix suggested by xk. Then you can remove or purge outdated packages after the upgrade. |
| 03:12.32 | Guerin | there it is |
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| 03:12.34 | terrencevak | Would knoppix be considered Debian <= sid? |
| 03:12.34 | albo | EdLin: yes, find -type d but then i have no idea what to -exec |
| 03:12.49 | Guerin | !force-loopbreak is <reply> see loopbreak |
| 03:12.49 | dpkg | ...but force-loopbreak is already something else... |
| 03:12.57 | Dewi | neuonyx: why are you worrying about that? |
| 03:12.58 | marc7 | spoopin: no worries, thanks anyway |
| 03:13.05 | Dewi | neuonyx: are you sure the kernel isn't already installed? |
| 03:13.09 | quetK | hi |
| 03:13.12 | neuonyx | yes |
| 03:13.12 | albo | EdLin: oh. ill copy the files somewhere else, then tar that |
| 03:13.16 | neuonyx | it doesnt install it |
| 03:13.20 | neuonyx | it is physically not there |
| 03:13.21 | Dewi | neuonyx: I'm not seeing a "kernel cannot install" error. I am seeing a "some packages have unmet dependancies" error |
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| 03:13.41 | neuonyx | how can i tell which package is dependant on it |
| 03:13.42 | marc7 | okay, someone humor me... can ANYBODY give me a link to download a woody netinst ISO? |
| 03:13.44 | Guerin | Dewi: neuonyx: your answer is above. |
| 03:13.51 | marc7 | i might be able to get this working if I had one of those |
| 03:13.56 | Guerin | neuonyx: don't bother, just use force-loopbreak, above |
| 03:14.00 | neuonyx | that failed |
| 03:14.04 | rutski89 | Is there a way to check if my PHP was compiled with "--without-pear" |
| 03:14.05 | spoopin | marc7: you may want to look at bootcd - you can create an install from that with whatever kernel you need. We've used it to install on an IBM bladecenter using qlogic drivers. |
| 03:14.06 | neuonyx | i added -f and think its doing something now |
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| 03:14.11 | Dewi | Guerin: that sounds... drastic |
| 03:14.12 | Guerin | rutski89: it wasn't |
| 03:14.16 | quetK | what xkblayout i need set to use ñ --- character?? |
| 03:14.17 | Guerin | Dewi: it's necessary |
| 03:14.21 | Dewi | Guerin: I didn't need it |
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| 03:14.28 | Guerin | Dewi: bully for you. |
| 03:14.49 | Dewi | Guerin: well clearly it's not necessary for everyone. what are the conditions that makes the loop happen? |
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| 03:14.58 | Dewi | Guerin: I don't really get how there can even be a loop |
| 03:15.20 | Guerin | Dewi: one package depends on another which depends on another which depends on another which depends on one of the original packages |
| 03:15.24 | Guerin | Dewi: or similar |
| 03:15.36 | Guerin | Dewi: it happens from time to time in major version transitions |
| 03:15.37 | nailbiter | marc7: Were you after a Sarge ISO image instead? Woody is a little outdated now |
| 03:15.38 | Dewi | wouldn't that break everyone? |
| 03:15.53 | Dewi | unless the deps used to not be circular, and now are |
| 03:16.01 | Dewi | and I got in while it wasn't a circle |
| 03:16.04 | marc7 | nailbiter: no... i specifically need a woody CD |
| 03:16.05 | Dewi | and now people are locked out? |
| 03:16.08 | Guerin | Dewi: it would break everyone who met those specific conditions, which not everyone does |
| 03:16.09 | terrencevak | Guerin: Yeah, I hate those circular dependencies. |
| 03:16.34 | marc7 | nailbiter: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers has offered us an ISO that will let us BOOT into a debian installation environment... but it's a woody installation |
| 03:16.43 | marc7 | nailbiter: and so we can't install sarge from the woody installer |
| 03:16.46 | Guerin | it can also happen when an 'essential' package needs to be removed temporarily for some reason' |
| 03:16.50 | Dewi | Guerin: but doesn't a circular dependancy imply somebody incorrectly specifying a dependancy? |
| 03:16.54 | Dewi | Guerin: that HAS to be a bug |
| 03:16.59 | Guerin | Dewi: usually, but not always. |
| 03:17.10 | Guerin | Dewi: i don't know the specifics. |
| 03:17.22 | marc7 | likewise, we have an etch netinst CD that will boot properly on this other system |
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| 03:17.37 | nailbiter | marc7: http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/images/woody/i386 |
| 03:17.44 | Guerin | marc7: install woody and upgrade |
| 03:18.37 | marc7 | Guerin: yeah, we've been pretty much resigned to doing just that... we just needed to find the woody ISO's |
| 03:18.39 | jkern | marc7, dist-upgrade with a change in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:18.51 | Guerin | marc7: welcome to Dell Hell |
| 03:18.54 | rutski89 | Guerin: arg, that annoying. How should I go about using pear then? |
| 03:19.01 | Guerin | rutski89: install it |
| 03:19.08 | Guerin | rutski89: apt-cache search php pear |
| 03:19.09 | marc7 | our woody ISO is -just- bootable... won't let us install base-system because it has none of the packages... trying to put in a sarge CD to install the sarge base-install files won't give us the time of day |
| 03:19.16 | marc7 | Guerin: don't I know it |
| 03:19.22 | rutski89 | Guerin: i have, but where should i put the files |
| 03:19.37 | Guerin | rutski89: you don't put anything anywhere - you install the debian package |
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| 03:20.08 | rutski89 | Guerin: I did, and then i tried to do "require_once("DB.php")" and it failed |
| 03:20.31 | Guerin | rutski89: you may have to configure it. Are you sure you have it installed? And are you using apache1 or 2? |
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| 03:20.41 | rutski89 | Guerin: apache2 |
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| 03:21.07 | rutski89 | Guerin: and from what i take it the debian "pear" package gives you a program to DL pear files by running "pear download db" |
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| 03:21.22 | rutski89 | Guerin: I've done an "update db && locate DB.php" but it's nowhere to be found |
| 03:21.26 | nailbiter | marc7: I suppose you could use debootstrap to set up a sarge base system on another computer, then boot the target system into Dell's woody ISO, jump to a shell and then copy across the sarge files |
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| 03:21.30 | marc7 | nailbiter: shit... i'm getting 18.2k/sec... there's no netinst image kicking around for woody? |
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| 03:21.45 | nailbiter | marc7: I'm sorry--couldn't find a netinst image |
| 03:21.46 | rutski89 | Guerin: I'd like to have them in a central place, like /usr/local/include/pear so I can just "require_once "DB.php" |
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| 03:21.52 | marc7 | no worries... that's another decent idea |
| 03:22.15 | marc7 | we're gonna break for supper, this has been many hours in the works |
| 03:22.17 | Guerin | rutski89: /msg dpkg search, find out what package contains that file |
| 03:22.25 | nailbiter | marc7: Good luck with the install |
| 03:22.26 | Guerin | rutski89: i bet you don't have the correct package installed |
| 03:22.36 | marc7 | nailbiter: many thanks, any suggestions on howto's for debootstrap? |
| 03:22.47 | rutski89 | Guerin: ahh, good diea |
| 03:23.05 | nailbiter | marc7: The manual page contains some invokation examples: it's usually just a one-line command to download and generate the entire debootstrap system |
| 03:23.16 | rutski89 | !dpkg search pear |
| 03:23.28 | rutski89 | Guerin: neither msg or !dpkg worked |
| 03:23.31 | rutski89 | !search pear |
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| 03:23.33 | rutski89 | bleh :( |
| 03:24.15 | rutski89 | Guerin: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=DB.php&searchmode=filelist&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 03:24.34 | nailbiter | marc7: Something like 'debootstrap sarge /tmp/mybootstrap http://http.us.debian.org/debian' ought to do it all in one go |
| 03:25.04 | Guerin | rutski89: why are you telling me this? |
| 03:25.08 | terrencevak | OK... I'm confused now... isn't dpkg (in reference to the channel) a user? |
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| 03:25.33 | Dewi | I'm confused. By default, rsync uses differing file-mod-date as a hint that a file has changed, yet by default it doesn't transfer dates across the network? |
| 03:25.43 | nailbiter | terrencevak: dpkg, debhelper and ravenbird are the channel robots |
| 03:25.48 | Dewi | therefore it'll always think a whole bunch of files are changed even if they aren't? |
| 03:25.52 | Guerin | !find php4-pear |
| 03:25.54 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'php4-pear' (2): php4-pear ;; php4-pear-log. |
| 03:26.04 | Guerin | rutski89: install those packages ^^^ |
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| 03:26.36 | nailbiter | Dewi: rsync does two kinds of comparisons--the first is a timestamp compare, and the second is a file content checksum. Only when both fail does a delta transfer start |
| 03:27.03 | rutski89 | Guerin: umm, I'm on php5 :-p |
| 03:27.30 | Guerin | rutski89: sucks to be you. |
| 03:27.31 | nailbiter | Dewi: If you want to be doubly sure rsync copies timestamps, ownership and permissions, use the '-a' option. |
| 03:27.37 | Dewi | nailbiter: content checksum takes a long time with tens of gigabytes though |
| 03:27.38 | Guerin | is php5 even in debian? |
| 03:27.43 | nailbiter | Guerin: Yes |
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| 03:27.59 | Dewi | nailbiter: ownership and perms is a bad idea because one of the machines is windows, and it tends to chmod to 000 for some reason :P |
| 03:28.12 | Guerin | apparently no pear for php5 |
| 03:28.15 | Guerin | oh well |
| 03:28.16 | nailbiter | rutski89: 'php-pear' is actually PEAR from the PHP 5.0.5 distribution |
| 03:28.27 | Dewi | nailbiter: but I am just surprised that rsync *checks* timestamps to determine difference but doesn't *set* them during update. That seems really inconsistent and like it would never really work. |
| 03:28.33 | rutski89 | nailbiter: cool, yea, apparently i had that one installed |
| 03:28.45 | inteq | anyone know of a great way to quickly read source code written by someone else? |
| 03:28.52 | Guerin | inteq: less |
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| 03:29.04 | Dewi | inteq: with eyes |
| 03:29.05 | nailbiter | Dewi: Well, not setting timestamps would cause rsync on both sides to expend lots of disk I/O computing checksums, but otherwise it would still work and save bandwidth |
| 03:29.26 | inteq | sorry... let me rephrase... a ctags doygen kind of combination |
| 03:29.30 | Dewi | nailbiter: so I wonder why it bothers checking timestamps, over time it'll get more and more useless |
| 03:29.47 | Dewi | nailbiter: but yeah I'll just use -t or whatever it is |
| 03:30.01 | nailbiter | inteq: Well, there are lots of specific tools like 'cflow' (a call graph generator) |
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| 03:30.35 | inteq | nailbiter: thanks for the input |
| 03:30.52 | Dewi | nailbiter: aah well. /me settles in to wait another hour to recompute the same checksums. |
| 03:31.21 | inteq | paiketto: anyone know why the source will not compile but apt-get is able to install scanrand,etc. just fine? |
| 03:32.54 | rutski89 | Guerin: nailbiter: The "php-pear" package doesn't acutally contain the files needed for includes, it's just the pear fetching tool http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=php-pear&version=unstable&arch=all&page=2&number=50 |
| 03:34.00 | nailbiter | rutski89: It contains the base PEAR system, yeah. It's not a great idea to put a snapshot of the entire PEAR archive into a package because it changes so rapidly (and quite a bit of it is broken anyway) |
| 03:34.18 | nailbiter | rutski89: You need to install php5-cli to run the PEAR installer utility |
| 03:34.34 | mrpickles444 | Can someone clue me in on how to take screenshots in gnome ? |
| 03:34.51 | ke6isf | mrpickles444: The screenshot applet |
| 03:34.53 | nailbiter | mrpickles444: Desktop -> Take screenshot |
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| 03:35.05 | mrpickles444 | aye |
| 03:35.17 | inteq | mrpickles444 : you could use gimp's screen capture |
| 03:35.30 | mrpickles444 | well I have a problem |
| 03:35.33 | nailbiter | mrpickles444: If you prefer a shell command, use import(1) from the 'imagemagick' package |
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| 03:36.11 | mrpickles444 | I'm on mepis, and I've got a really weird error message on boot on the F1 space thingy and I'm trying to figure out how to transcribe it into something i can share with people over irc |
| 03:36.15 | mrpickles444 | if THAT makes any sense :/ |
| 03:36.34 | microsys | like i hate soundcards |
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| 03:37.10 | microsys | Does xmms-Alsadriver (correct card etc.) start playing if the card is not active? |
| 03:37.24 | microsys | actually it plays, but no sound is there ;P |
| 03:37.48 | Caelum | microsys: do other alsa apps work? |
| 03:37.57 | microsys | es1371 - testing installation, discover loads about ... hm, 250 drivers lol |
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| 03:38.15 | nailbiter | mrpickles444: I'm not sure what you're trying to do, specifically .. |
| 03:38.15 | microsys | what other? *G* |
| 03:38.22 | Tortel | anyone know a decent WYSIWYG html editor? |
| 03:38.26 | Caelum | microsys: alsaplayer |
| 03:38.37 | mrpickles444 | marrr |
| 03:39.06 | nailbiter | Caelum: Take a snapshot of 'ps aux' as a souvenir for your grandkids |
| 03:39.13 | neuonyx | still getting udev error |
| 03:39.14 | neuonyx | :( |
| 03:39.14 | Caelum | nailbiter: heh :) |
| 03:39.23 | neuonyx | even after apt-get -f -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade |
| 03:39.48 | nailbiter | neuonyx: Is it complaining that you need a 2.6.12 or later kernel? |
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| 03:39.51 | microsys | actually, now that you mention it ... *shame on me* |
| 03:39.52 | mrpickles444 | if I do ctrl F1 it takes me into the shell bash whatever thingy that has all the text from when it booted, there is an error message in there. i want to find a way to either take a picture of it or copy and paste it |
| 03:40.05 | microsys | but i get no dsp devices created |
| 03:40.07 | bond- | Hmm.. anyone got sarge to run with pxe and nfs ? |
| 03:40.42 | neuonyx | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 03:40.43 | neuonyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.43 | neuonyx | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 03:40.51 | nailbiter | mrpickles444: You can't take a screenshot of the text console. But you can copy text into a buffer with the mouse; just install 'gpm' |
| 03:41.19 | nailbiter | neuonyx: The error message itself will be just before that. Could you paste it to #flood, perhaps? |
| 03:41.29 | mrpickles444 | alright |
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| 03:41.50 | microsys | kernel must be >= 2.6.12 i bet |
| 03:42.18 | nailbiter | mrpickles444: On some systems, /var/log/boot may also contain the startup messages you saw on the console |
| 03:42.34 | bond- | im stuck on "init: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" when booting on pxe.. any one got any hints ? |
| 03:42.47 | microsys | yes |
| 03:42.57 | neuonyx | re |
| 03:43.00 | neuonyx | sure |
| 03:43.03 | jkern | microsys, alsaplayer might need to be run to activate the sound level. |
| 03:43.06 | microsys | your gettys spawn and die and respawn and die and resp... too fast afaik |
| 03:43.15 | nailbiter | bond-: It may be because /dev is missing or not populated with the right device stubs. Try booting with init=/bin/bash to see what's missing |
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| 03:43.32 | bond- | nailbiter: thanks, il give it a try :) |
| 03:43.33 | microsys | no, it cannto find alsamodule *hide* |
| 03:43.35 | ilpavox | anyone know of a repository with netbeans in it? |
| 03:44.02 | microsys | i have about 6 pcmdevices, 3 mixers, 5 mididevices what ever more, but no dsp-device, no .... |
| 03:44.27 | nailbiter | ilpavox: Third-party projects offering Netbeans? Or the J2EE core stuff? |
| 03:44.27 | jkern | microsys, maybe /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
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| 03:44.51 | ilpavox | nailbiter: just an easy way to install it under debian |
| 03:45.19 | nailbiter | ilpavox: Try 'j2se-package' or 'java-package'. It'll let you turn the official Sun tarball into a nice Debian package |
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| 03:45.46 | welson | i'm ratsass stuck in getting /etc/init.d/zope3 to pass, i'm wondering if this script is faulty (INSTANCES="*", but this script checks if there's a directory), anyone has tried this? |
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| 03:45.53 | microsys | i would prefer oss *hide* but even if i enter devices into devfsd.conf the player starts playing, but no sound at all |
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| 03:46.37 | neuonyx | nailbiter: anything? |
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| 03:47.32 | nailbiter | neuonyx: Those messages were for packages being unpacked _after_ udev |
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| 03:47.49 | nailbiter | neuonyx: You can do a 'dpkg --configure udev' to reproduce the error |
| 03:49.18 | nailbiter | microsys: Try running 'alsamixer' and cranking all your mixer levels up; they're all muted/zeroed by default and you might have missed one of them |
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| 03:49.34 | neuonyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.01 | microsys | actually ... there were a bit too many alsamodules loaded |
| 03:50.03 | xoz | welson: check by running /var/lib/zope3/instance/bin/runzope |
| 03:50.15 | microsys | after running alsaconf twice just 2 are left out of 8 |
| 03:50.24 | microsys | and no null-plugin is loaded anymore |
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| 03:50.41 | nailbiter | neuonyx: I think that means the _previous_ version 'udev' is still installed and configured, but the new one refused |
| 03:50.51 | rutski89 | nailbiter: I have php5-cli what do i do? |
| 03:50.56 | welson | xoz, zope3: /usr/lib/zope3/zopeskel/bin/runzope.bat.in |
| 03:50.56 | welson | zope3: /usr/lib/zope3/zopeskel/bin/runzope.in |
| 03:50.58 | neuonyx | the new one is refused because i dont have 2.6.12 kernel |
| 03:51.11 | nailbiter | neuonyx: Ok. So you need to install a 2.6.12 kernel. :) |
| 03:51.13 | neuonyx | 2.6.12 kernel is refused because it needs new udev |
| 03:51.16 | microsys | thx a lot Caelum jkern nailbiter |
| 03:51.28 | welson | xoz, i've followed steps to make something in /var/lib/zope, but I'm not sure what else to do |
| 03:51.33 | microsys | does 2.6.12 do support oss anyways? |
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| 03:51.38 | xoz | welson: in debian, instance is installed in /var/lib/zope3/ |
| 03:51.51 | microsys | im running oss now over alsa, since alsa was bit easier now *hide* |
| 03:52.03 | welson | xoz, I meant I took the initiative of having to copy a skeleton to that directory, there's no instruction mentioning to copy to that directory.. |
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| 03:52.26 | jkern | microsys, what is *hide* ? |
| 03:52.30 | nailbiter | rutski89: Run 'php /usr/share/php/pearcmd.php'. :) |
| 03:52.42 | rutski89 | nailbiter: as root? |
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| 03:53.00 | ilpavox | what is the best way to install a .bin package in debian? |
| 03:53.04 | welson | xoz, sorry I don't have /var/lib/zope3/instance/bin/runzope :( .. I guess I'll do ->mkzopinstance to that directory then.. |
| 03:53.11 | nailbiter | rutski89: Yes |
| 03:53.12 | xoz | welson: have you created an instance? mkzopeinstance. you better read the README.Debian thing |
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| 03:53.23 | welson | xoz, I just figured it out.. |
| 03:53.33 | pfalcone | ilpavox: just run the .bin executable |
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| 03:53.42 | rutski89 | nailbiter: it's like a program, and it wants args, what args do i give it to set up the pear repository on my computer? |
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| 03:53.48 | welson | xoz, I did mention about it, and btw it doesn't mention this in any manual --> there's no manpages ! :) |
| 03:53.49 | ilpavox | pfalcone: what about when i want to uninstall? |
| 03:53.53 | xoz | welson: and the /etc/init.d/zope3 need some fixing sometimes.... |
| 03:53.53 | nailbiter | neuonyx: 'linux-image-2.6.12' refuses to install because it requires udev? Are you sure? |
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| 03:54.36 | xoz | welson: the readme in debian changes some things from the readme of zope. you have to read the debian readme for last minute instructions. |
| 03:54.38 | pfalcone | ilpavox: that's another problem :D since you aren't anymore using the facility of a package management system.... you're lucky if the vendor supplied an uninstall script. |
| 03:54.42 | neuonyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.52 | pfalcone | ilpavox: else you'd have to delete the files manually |
| 03:54.56 | welson | xoz, y, but I'm trying this.. hold on a sec.. |
| 03:55.03 | rutski89 | nailbiter: heh, "pear install DB" got it ;) |
| 03:55.16 | ilpavox | pfalcone: that is what i am worried about... trying to install netbeans.. only comes in a .bin.. there is nothing like alien for a .bin file eh? |
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| 03:55.40 | pfalcone | ilpavox: nope. a .bin doesn't have to conform to anything. |
| 03:55.42 | nailbiter | neuonyx: 'hal' is something else altogether. Can you uninstall that for the moment, then install the kernel image, and _then_ get around to udev? |
| 03:55.51 | bond- | nailbiter: everything looks like its there.. any more hints ? |
| 03:55.57 | xoz | welson: and use runzope on the terminal to see the messages |
| 03:55.59 | neuonyx | what is hal? |
| 03:56.12 | ilpavox | pfalcone: crap. thanks |
| 03:56.21 | neuonyx | isnt hal needed by kernel? |
| 03:56.22 | jkern | neuonyx, apt-cache show hal |
| 03:56.32 | pfalcone | neuonyx: no. |
| 03:56.41 | ilpavox | anyone know of a good java ide that makes an rpm of deb package? |
| 03:56.48 | ilpavox | *or |
| 03:56.51 | pfalcone | eclipse? |
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| 03:56.59 | pfalcone | ah... wait.. rpm... |
| 03:57.06 | Guerin | emacs |
| 03:57.15 | ilpavox | pfalcone: or deb.. eclipse is kinda slow |
| 03:57.22 | Guerin | no java required |
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| 03:57.25 | pfalcone | emacs is a good one.... that's the one james gosling himself uses |
| 03:57.34 | neuonyx | then i have to remove all gnome to remove hal |
| 03:57.42 | nailbiter | bond-: Hm. Can you run '/bin/login' by hand after booting with 'init=/bin/bash'? Does it complain about not being able to open the terminal? |
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| 03:57.49 | neuonyx | cant i just force install of new kernel or something |
| 03:57.49 | neuonyx | wtf |
| 03:57.56 | ke6isf | !knoppixsmite terrencevak |
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| 03:58.13 | bond- | nailbiter: il have to check :P |
| 03:58.18 | nailbiter | bond-: If that's the case, check that /dev/ptmx exists and that /dev/pts is mounted |
| 03:58.18 | xoz | welson: try installing zope3-sandbox for default zope product instances |
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| 03:58.50 | nailbiter | bond-: You can also check by chrooting into the client filesystem on the server. It might be quicker than rebooting the client computer |
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| 03:59.06 | terrencevak | How can I make apt-get install the packages another package depends on? |
| 03:59.25 | nailbiter | neuonyx: I think you've run into a nasty chicken-and-egg bug |
| 03:59.35 | welson | xoz, I got a new result from /etc/init.d/zope3 start, messages of it parsing, but no instance of it running (I issued: ./mkzopeinstance -d /var/lib/zope -s /usr/lib/zope3/zopeskel -u johnny:getmein) |
| 03:59.40 | jkern | terrencevak, apt-cache depends packagename |
| 03:59.53 | nailbiter | neuonyx: One solution would be to install an older version of 'hal' so you can break the deadlock and get the newer kernel installed |
| 04:00.09 | welson | xoz, trying the sandbox.. |
| 04:00.22 | pfalcone | terrencevak: apt-get the other package. |
| 04:00.52 | nailbiter | neuonyx: You might be able to find your old version of 'hal' at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/h/hal |
| 04:00.59 | LootBeer | my gift daemon keeps giving me error msg: Segmentation fault...whats that?pls help. |
| 04:01.27 | neuonyx | :( |
| 04:01.37 | nailbiter | neuonyx: It's not your fault. :) |
| 04:01.43 | neuonyx | sigh |
| 04:01.43 | pfalcone | LootBeer: might be a programming error. hopefully not the sign of bad hardware :D |
| 04:01.45 | neuonyx | lol |
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| 04:01.58 | nailbiter | neuonyx: The 'udev' package maintainer stuffed up, basically and didn't account for this |
| 04:01.58 | neuonyx | so there is no simple force remove hal? |
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| 04:02.10 | neuonyx | or way to force remove udev |
| 04:02.13 | neuonyx | or force add kernel |
| 04:02.16 | jkern | neuonyx, sometimes waiting a few days lets the packagers have time to sort it out. |
| 04:02.25 | nailbiter | neuonyx: Just download the older 'hal' package, and install it with 'dpkg -i thepackage.deb'. It'll then replace your newer version |
| 04:02.29 | mrpickles444 | can someone give me some advice on a weird error message i'm getting a lot on boot ? |
| 04:02.32 | neuonyx | well im pretty sure i had issues with this the last upgrade (a few months ago) |
| 04:02.33 | mrpickles444 | WARNING /etc/modprobe.d /libsane line 2: ignoring bad line starting with bad list |
| 04:02.41 | jkern | neuonyx, this is a problem with testing an unstable occassionally |
| 04:02.47 | neuonyx | ahh |
| 04:02.48 | Phr0zenKore | hi all, i want to remove all games on my pc cuz of big bloat, but aptitude wants to install kde, so what do i do? |
| 04:02.52 | welson | xoz, ok, it appears that sandbox is something I can twiddle with, thanks :) |
| 04:03.18 | nailbiter | mrpickles444: What's in /etc/modprobe.d/libsane? There should just be a bunch of 'blacklist XXX' lines |
| 04:03.26 | microsys | jkern, *hide* is like, omg, shame on me, i wanna hide in a corner ;P |
| 04:03.29 | xoz | welson: np. plone is a good zope CMS just in case. |
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| 04:04.06 | neuonyx | that doesnt work either |
| 04:04.07 | neuonyx | lol |
| 04:04.08 | MaestroTechie | hey everyone... |
| 04:04.18 | MaestroTechie | i'm totally at the end of my rope. :0) |
| 04:04.19 | neuonyx | older hal depends on older verions of everything else |
| 04:04.19 | LootBeer | pfalcone> rebooted mt pc... still gave me segfault... and the program doesnt launch, pls help? |
| 04:04.29 | jkern | microsys, I was guessing that was it. You have no need for that here though. You ask plain, understandable questions whether or not someone can respond or not. |
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| 04:04.33 | [A]Imelturface | j |
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| 04:04.39 | LootBeer | rebooted mt pc... still gave me segfault... and the program doesnt launch, pls help? |
| 04:04.45 | sylvisj | How do I configure Linux to work with a router? |
| 04:04.45 | Phr0zenKore | now you're at the middle ^^ |
| 04:04.47 | welson | xoz, I found it to be buggy for some reason.. it's why I stopped trying to play around with it.. I'll see how things go.. I really hate the lack of documentation for it though.. it's not confusing to understand but it's what the directives stand for in the configuration etc.. |
| 04:04.50 | pfalcone | LootBeer: it's not your fault :D might be some bad code. |
| 04:04.57 | MaestroTechie | spent 12 hours installing and reinstalling my debian system just to get mythtv up and going. |
| 04:05.02 | nailbiter | neuonyx: Oh eep--you upgraded everything else already? |
| 04:05.02 | MaestroTechie | now i'm at my raid system |
| 04:05.07 | mrpickles444 | nailbiter, forgive my noobishness but what is the quickest way to get into /etc/modprobe.d/libsane ? |
| 04:05.07 | pfalcone | LootBeer: if you've got the source, and you can read and write code, maybe you can fix it. |
| 04:05.13 | sylvisj | Anyone? |
| 04:05.22 | nailbiter | mrpickles444: Just 'cat /etc/modprobe.d/libsane' to print its contents to the terminal. :) |
| 04:05.29 | welson | sylvisj, first you must configure your router before |
| 04:05.37 | sylvisj | How do I configure my router to work with linux, then? |
| 04:05.40 | MaestroTechie | Is there a reason why debian doesn't load my software raid system for my two scsi devices? |
| 04:05.41 | mrpickles444 | nailbiter, hold on |
| 04:05.50 | welson | sylvisj, secondly you must know what distro linux you're using |
| 04:06.01 | sylvisj | Debian, AMD64 |
| 04:06.04 | mrpickles444 | nailbiter, blacklist scanner |
| 04:06.05 | mrpickles444 | blacklist hpusbscsi |
| 04:06.06 | neuonyx | hehe |
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| 04:06.10 | neuonyx | i did a dist-upgrade |
| 04:06.12 | neuonyx | and it failed on the kernel |
| 04:06.14 | neuonyx | and udev |
| 04:06.15 | neuonyx | sigh |
| 04:06.26 | nailbiter | neuonyx: Tell you what--I'll generate a udev package that doesn't check for a 2.6.12 kernel and DCC it to you |
| 04:06.30 | microsys | but i like the "gestic" this brings to written language, otherwise it is just words, with this the chat-partner can actually have an small image of the other ;P |
| 04:06.37 | nailbiter | neuonyx: The check is silly anyway, because a 2.6.12 kernel isn't strictly necessary |
| 04:06.37 | liable | MaestroTechie: that depends on whether you told it too. |
| 04:06.48 | nailbiter | mrpickles444: That perfectly ok. :) |
| 04:07.10 | nailbiter | mrpickles444: So I'm puzzled by the warning at boot time (not that it's harmful) |
| 04:07.19 | Phr0zenKore | .... hi all again |
| 04:07.20 | ghost_adsf | neuonyx: i ran into a similar issue ;/ |
| 04:07.21 | welson | sylvisj, if you don't know what NAT is, then there's something else -- is the box at least setup properly ? |
| 04:07.25 | mrpickles444 | nailbiter, I can imagine. Except I cannot figure out why I am getting a shitload of those weird error messages. |
| 04:07.37 | liable | neuonyx: put udev on hold. |
| 04:07.38 | MaestroTechie | liable: I'm pretty sure I did. Seems that it looks for the software raid system /dev/md0 and fails....then later on in the boot, it loads my scsi devices....sounds like putting the cart before the horse. |
| 04:07.48 | jkern | microsys, I see. More interesting that way eh. |
| 04:07.52 | welson | xoz, have you been using plone for a while? |
| 04:07.57 | MaestroTechie | I used the debian installer to install the RAID system. |
| 04:07.58 | ghost_adsf | liable: How would he do that? |
| 04:08.00 | Phr0zenKore | i want to remove all games on my pc cuz of big bloat, but aptitude wants to install kde, so what do i do? |
| 04:08.01 | liable | neuonyx: for a depressing read.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317332 |
| 04:08.04 | liable | !hold |
| 04:08.04 | dpkg | hold is, like, a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
| 04:08.14 | ghost_adsf | interesting :) |
| 04:08.23 | liable | or aptitude hold udev, if you use aptitude. |
| 04:08.32 | microsys | Much more interessting this way. |
| 04:08.42 | ghost_adsf | Well.. my 2nd day on my install so I use it all. |
| 04:08.43 | ghost_adsf | :) |
| 04:08.53 | ghost_adsf | Whatever I can get working, heh. |
| 04:09.15 | liable | MaestroTechie: hrm, yep, is there anything in mdadm.conf? |
| 04:09.29 | bond- | nailbiter: well worked to run /bin/login |
| 04:09.57 | mrpickles444 | nailbiter, you still alive eh ? |
| 04:10.00 | liable | MaestroTechie: also, what does cat /proc/mdstat say? |
| 04:10.08 | MaestroTechie | liable, yes there is. i am thinking i'm going to repartition the raid devices and reset up the raid. do you know of a better (more user friendlier) partitioner other than fdisk ? |
| 04:10.17 | Phr0zenKore | ... am i being ignored? |
| 04:10.31 | bond- | nailbiter: and yes, ptmx exists.. but i cant see /dev/pts mounted ? |
| 04:10.40 | microsys | brb pool is calling |
| 04:10.46 | liable | MaestroTechie: cfdisk, but if your going to repartition, just get the installer to set it up for you. |
| 04:10.56 | welson | MaestroTechie, there's qtparted which requires X, I think there's also nparted (ncurses) |
| 04:10.58 | nailbiter | mrpickles444: Can you accept a file via DCC? |
| 04:11.00 | neuonyx | :( |
| 04:11.09 | Phr0zenKore | or does nobody hear me? |
| 04:11.10 | nailbiter | mrpickles444: Err, not you |
| 04:11.13 | mrpickles444 | not likely since I do not know what dcc is or how it works |
| 04:11.18 | liable | Phr0zenKore: we here you. |
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| 04:11.26 | Phr0zenKore | okay, thnx, wanted to know that |
| 04:11.31 | neuonyx | how do i clean up any transfered debs or tmp files from apt-gets |
| 04:11.31 | neuonyx | ? |
| 04:11.32 | nailbiter | neuonyx: I'll send a modified udev package via DCC, ok? |
| 04:11.37 | Phr0zenKore | cuz sometimes when a connection lasts long i woul \ |
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| 04:11.45 | Phr0zenKore | d receive messages but not send them |
| 04:11.52 | neuonyx | nailbiter: much appreciated |
| 04:11.54 | Phr0zenKore | damn enter button |
| 04:11.55 | liable | just use udev 0.06 |
| 04:11.56 | jkern | neuonyx, apt-get clean |
| 04:12.03 | sylvisj2 | To whoever was helping me when Windows ever so kindly crashed on me: How do I config my router for linux? |
| 04:12.06 | nailbiter | bond-: Very mysterious |
| 04:12.15 | neuonyx | jkern: thnx |
| 04:12.29 | Guerin | sylvisj2: consult your router documentation, this has nothing to do with debian |
| 04:12.31 | bond- | nailbiter: yup :[ |
| 04:12.36 | welson | sylvisj, so you've lied, heh, you're not using Debian you're using Windows.. ha! |
| 04:12.44 | sylvisj2 | I'm dual booting. |
| 04:12.45 | nailbiter | bond-: /dev/pts should be mounted at boot time by /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs. You can check /proc/mounts to see if it's _really_ mounted (/etc/mtab sometimes doesn't get updated properly) |
| 04:12.47 | welson | sylvisj, get out! |
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| 04:12.56 | welson | bs! |
| 04:13.05 | sylvisj2 | Welson: Dual booting. Trying to set up internet with Debian so that I can burn this part of my HDD. |
| 04:13.08 | nailbiter | neuonyx: Accept the DCC send :-P |
| 04:13.18 | neuonyx | i dont see a request |
| 04:13.22 | dboxen | hi |
| 04:13.24 | Guerin | sylvisj2: how do you connect in windows? |
| 04:13.32 | sylvisj2 | It's auto. |
| 04:13.36 | dboxen | under debian I get a error while loading shared libraries: libcppunit-1.10.so.2: cannot open object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:13.37 | dboxen | when I try to compile a program that uses this library |
| 04:13.43 | welson | sylvisj, you make no sense, I have no clue, so have you installed debian or not? |
| 04:13.46 | sylvisj2 | Plug it in, it reads the ethernet connection. |
| 04:13.46 | Guerin | sylvisj2: that tells us nothing. |
| 04:13.55 | sylvisj2 | Welson, it's on another partition of my HDD, yes, I've installed it. |
| 04:14.02 | dboxen | I know this file exists in /usr/local/lib and that /usr/local/lib is in my ld.so.conf anyone know howto fix this? |
| 04:14.02 | Guerin | sylvisj2: try running dhclient eth0; as root |
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| 04:14.15 | sylvisj2 | Guerin, did that. It keeps failing. |
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| 04:14.20 | dboxen | i mean the path exists in ld.so.conf |
| 04:14.26 | sylvisj2 | It takes about 5 minutes to do so. |
| 04:14.29 | Guerin | sask your ISP. |
| 04:14.32 | dboxen | the file is in /usr/local/lib |
| 04:14.32 | Phr0zenKore | how do you remove all games on your computer? |
| 04:14.34 | Guerin | sylvisj2: ask your isp |
| 04:14.49 | Phr0zenKore | cuz i just have about 100 games on this pc |
| 04:14.57 | Guerin | Phr0zenKore: remove the packages which contain them |
| 04:14.58 | welson | xoz, I've tried plone on zope2 and given up on it, does it run well on zope3? |
| 04:15.04 | neuonyx | nailbiter: try resend |
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| 04:15.08 | sylvisj2 | Guerin, I'm sure it's my router. It worked fine on my other computer, which is routerless. |
| 04:15.12 | Phr0zenKore | Guerin: no category-based remove? |
| 04:15.19 | Guerin | sylvisj2: ask your router manufacturer |
| 04:15.32 | sylvisj2 | ... Because US Robotics is ever so glad to help. |
| 04:15.39 | MaestroTechie | Should the actual drive partitions of a RAID candidate drive be primary or logical? |
| 04:15.46 | Guerin | sylvisj2: your router doesn't have documentation? |
| 04:15.53 | liable | set a static ip then, man interfaces, man ifconfig.. |
| 04:15.55 | sylvisj2 | It came with a fold-up install manual for Windows. |
| 04:15.59 | nailbiter | neuonyx: Resending |
| 04:16.04 | sylvisj2 | Liable, I had a static IP to begin with, already set up. |
| 04:16.06 | Phr0zenKore | Guerin: i don't know the namse of those packages |
| 04:16.16 | liable | sylvisj2: so whats the problem? |
| 04:16.20 | Phr0zenKore | i just wanna remove ALL games on my pc, cuz i'm very bloated now |
| 04:16.41 | sylvisj2 | Liable, It reads the ethernet connection but isn't able to make use of it. It keeps saying unknown hardware is connected. |
| 04:16.45 | Guerin | sylvisj2: the point is this: i have no fucking idea how your router works. You apparently don't either. Until we know what mechanism your router uses to allow a connection, we can't help you configure your debian machine to connect. |
| 04:16.55 | Phr0zenKore | and i don't know on what the game depend |
| 04:17.00 | Guerin | sylvisj2: find out what mechanism it uses, and get back to us then. |
| 04:17.02 | Phr0zenKore | s |
| 04:17.03 | nailbiter | neuonyx: Aah, just download it from http://snork.net/udev_0.070-2_i386.deb |
| 04:17.09 | Phr0zenKore | i won't remove SDL :p |
| 04:17.13 | sylvisj2 | I can get you the model number, what mechanism it uses I don't know how to find. |
| 04:17.17 | jkern | Phr0zenKore, try ls /usr/games and then apt-get --purge remove them |
| 04:17.26 | Phr0zenKore | ...... okay jkern |
| 04:17.29 | Guerin | Phr0zenKore: remove gnome and kde, that should get most of them, and take care of your bloat problem too |
| 04:17.36 | ysothoth | hehehe |
| 04:17.40 | neuonyx | dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy) |
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| 04:17.46 | neuonyx | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 04:17.49 | neuonyx | didnt work |
| 04:17.51 | Guerin | you think i'm joking, but i'm serious |
| 04:17.56 | Guerin | !didn't work |
| 04:17.56 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 04:17.59 | ysothoth | No, I agree with you. |
| 04:18.05 | sylvisj2 | USR8003 Broadband Router. |
| 04:18.15 | liable | neuonyx: just install udev 0.6, then put the fucker on hold, or completely remove it. |
| 04:18.15 | Guerin | sylvisj2: we don't care. Google. |
| 04:18.22 | Phr0zenKore | Guerin: kde is gone, gnome is still to be removed |
| 04:18.32 | Phr0zenKore | Guerin: it doesn't get the games |
| 04:18.33 | jkern | Phated, try apt-get --purge remove $(ls /usr/games) |
| 04:18.35 | Guerin | remove everything to do with udev -> problem solved |
| 04:18.39 | mrpickles444 | gnome > kde |
| 04:18.49 | jkern | Phr0zenKore, try apt-get --purge remove $(ls /usr/games) |
| 04:18.55 | Guerin | mrpickles444: *> gnome > kde |
| 04:19.00 | welson | liable, I was cheap enough to have my uname -r burp a bogus kernel # :) |
| 04:19.04 | Guerin | err |
| 04:19.15 | Guerin | mrpickles444: * > kde > gnome |
| 04:19.28 | mrpickles444 | guerin, you had it right the first time |
| 04:19.31 | BarefootClown | Need some help with exim4. It isn't obeying /etc/alias. The documentation seems to suggest that exim4 no longer uses the system alias file, but I'm unclear on how to get that functionality without it. Thoughts? |
| 04:19.37 | liable | welson: yes, but now if you have an older kernel, you cant really use it.. |
| 04:19.58 | welson | liable, hihi , sometimes being cheap is the only way :) |
| 04:20.03 | Seb | BarefootClown: #exim ? |
| 04:20.07 | Guerin | BarefootClown: update-aliases? |
| 04:20.16 | Guerin | BarefootClown: exim does use alias |
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| 04:20.18 | sylvisj2 | How do I figure out what routing mechanism a USR8003 router uses? |
| 04:20.33 | Phr0zenKore | .. |
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| 04:20.35 | welson | sylvisj, ahha, back to square one arent' we? |
| 04:20.36 | Phr0zenKore | jkern: that's brilliant |
| 04:20.47 | Guerin | sylvisj2: google for spec or call their help line |
| 04:20.49 | nailbiter | neuonyx: This udev problem is proving particular stubborn ;-) |
| 04:20.49 | Supaplex | sylvisj2: does it run debian? |
| 04:20.51 | sylvisj2 | Welson: Guerin wants me to find out how my router routes things. |
| 04:21.00 | neuonyx | yep |
| 04:21.02 | welson | sylvisj, wasn't that the first thing i mentioned? |
| 04:21.05 | BarefootClown | Guerin: no such program as update-aliases. There is a "newaliases," but it doesn't seem to work. I'm going to move over to #exim, as Seb suggested (didn't see it there). Mind following me? |
| 04:21.10 | MustangMatt | Hello everyone. |
| 04:21.15 | jkern | sylvisj, have you tried your web browser on your router ip address? |
| 04:21.30 | Guerin | BarefootClown: i don't know exim, and i apparently don't know aliases any more |
| 04:21.40 | jkern | sylvisj, from windows if that still works... |
| 04:21.43 | MustangMatt | BarefootClown: Are you switching from sendmail? |
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| 04:21.49 | BarefootClown | Guerin: OK, thanks anyway. |
| 04:21.49 | welson | sylvisj, you know what router's do with tables? |
| 04:22.05 | sylvisj2 | Welson, Not a clue. |
| 04:22.05 | sylvisj2 | Features VPN, DMZ port, Stackable, NAT support, DHCP support, Flow control, Firewall protection, Dynamic IP address assignment |
| 04:22.05 | sylvisj2 | Networking compliant standards IEEE 802.3, IEEE 802.3U, IEEE 802.3x |
| 04:22.05 | sylvisj2 | Transport protocol PPTP, PPPoE |
| 04:22.05 | sylvisj2 | Communication mode Full-duplex, Half-duplex |
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| 04:22.12 | sylvisj2 | That enough info? |
| 04:22.14 | BarefootClown | Mustang: No, exim 3 (just called "exim" in apt). |
| 04:22.17 | welson | sylvisj, they read them |
| 04:22.18 | Guerin | sylvisj2: don't fucking post |
| 04:22.18 | ysothoth | slap |
| 04:22.24 | Guerin | sylvisj2: use pppoeconf |
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| 04:22.29 | Guerin | and pppoe to connect |
| 04:22.33 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Would you mind running a bonnie++ test for me on your adaptec 2410sa system. |
| 04:22.45 | welson | sylvisj, he's asking for your router's table |
| 04:22.53 | sylvisj2 | Welson, that means little to me. |
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| 04:23.18 | sylvisj2 | Guerin, this isn't using PPPOE to connect. |
| 04:23.18 | welson | sylvisj, then what's text to you if you can't type for a picture? |
| 04:23.19 | jkern | sylvisj, do you have a separate router from the one that your isp provided you? |
| 04:23.35 | Rothgar | I am looking on the Debian FTP mirrors and there are 8 ISO's what's the deal with that? All of them are 600MB |
| 04:23.35 | sylvisj2 | Jkern, They didn't provide one. I have a USB8003 router. |
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| 04:23.44 | sylvisj2 | Welson, what do you mean? |
| 04:23.55 | welson | sylvisj, 1000 words is for one picture :) |
| 04:24.03 | Guerin | sylvisj2: how do you know it doesn't use pppoe? |
| 04:24.04 | MustangMatt | Rothgar: Are you just wanting a sarge netinst? |
| 04:24.08 | nailbiter | neuonyx: Ok. Can you download that file from snork.net again? I've repacked the package; let's hope it'll work this time |
| 04:24.10 | jkern | sylvisj, It is connected directly to your cable or what? |
| 04:24.12 | sylvisj2 | Guerin, It doesn't want any login or pass. |
| 04:24.14 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:24.22 | Guerin | this is your own router, not your isp's |
| 04:24.23 | sylvisj2 | Jkern, it connects directly to the modem and our computers. |
| 04:24.24 | Guerin | oh. |
| 04:24.27 | sylvisj2 | Guerin, YES! |
| 04:24.30 | sylvisj2 | About time. |
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| 04:25.00 | Guerin | sylvisj: so again: how does your isp require you to connect? |
| 04:25.05 | sylvisj | Guerin, no. |
| 04:25.21 | welson | sylvisj, your winbloze is net ready correct? |
| 04:25.22 | sylvisj | Guerin, It does it automatically on startup. |
| 04:25.27 | sylvisj | Welson, yes. |
| 04:25.34 | Guerin | sylvisj: your router is connected to your isp already>? you just need to connect your computer to the router? |
| 04:25.51 | sylvisj | Guerin, Modem <- Router <- computers |
| 04:25.56 | neuonyx | YAY |
| 04:26.10 | Rothgar | Which ISO am I supposed to get |
| 04:26.14 | welson | sylvisj, so what is it you use to connect to the internet between your machine and the net, two tiny boxes or one? |
| 04:26.22 | Guerin | sylvisj: we get back to the old story: find out how your windows machines connect to it and emulate that behavior on debian. |
| 04:26.28 | MustangMatt | Rothgar: What are you trying to do? Just install sarge? |
| 04:26.35 | Guerin | Rothgar: topic |
| 04:26.35 | BarefootClown | Rothgar: the first one. Then set up apt and download the rest of the packages as you need them. |
| 04:26.49 | sylvisj | Guerin.. it connects via an ethernet port. Just a plain ethernet connection. And how the heck do I emulate that on Debian? |
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| 04:26.58 | sylvisj | Welson... wtf? |
| 04:27.02 | nailbiter | neuonyx: Woohoo. Now, please go stab the udev maintainer for me |
| 04:27.08 | sylvisj | Welson, be a little more specific. |
| 04:27.12 | welson | sylvisj, what type of isp equipment do you use? |
| 04:27.14 | Guerin | sylvisj: tell your debian machine the correct ip, gateway, netmask, etc? |
| 04:27.26 | microsys | there is no emulation, put in a NIC edit your /etc/network/interfaces perform an /etc/init/network restart and have fun |
| 04:27.29 | Guerin | welson: he's spent about 20 minutes explaining that |
| 04:27.34 | sylvisj | Guerin, do I put in what Windows IPCONFIG says or the Router says? |
| 04:27.35 | welson | Guerin, his machine contains winbloze and connects to the net.. |
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| 04:27.45 | sylvisj | Welson - Modem - Router - Computers |
| 04:27.56 | sylvisj | Welson: Modem = Belongs to ISP. Router = Bought from store. |
| 04:28.10 | Guerin | sylvisj: get the info from windows ipconfig /all, and put it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:28.15 | sylvisj | Guerin, thanks. |
| 04:28.24 | BarefootClown | sylvisj: Do you have to assign addresses statically in Windows, or is it done automatically? |
| 04:28.24 | Guerin | sylvisj: you'll need to read man interfaces to sort that file out |
| 04:28.33 | sylvisj | I've figured as much. |
| 04:28.48 | sylvisj | I have some limited experience with it from my POS USB (eth1) Cable modem machine. |
| 04:28.52 | welson | sylvisj, i believe you use dhcp for the local connection (computer to router) |
| 04:28.58 | jkern | sylvisj, your router may need to be configured in some way also. You may be able to use its web interface from your windows machine to get information useful for setting up linux |
| 04:28.59 | sylvisj | Welson, yeah. |
| 04:29.00 | Guerin | sylvisj: if you ever have to explain this to anyone else, just say that your windows clients use a static ip configuration to connect. |
| 04:29.03 | sylvisj | Welson, it doesn't read it though. |
| 04:29.13 | welson | sylvisj, can you get a MAC id with ifconfig -a ? |
| 04:29.14 | sylvisj | Guerin... if you asked if i had a static or dynamic IP, i could have told you that. |
| 04:29.17 | Guerin | welson: what makes you think it's dhcp? |
| 04:29.19 | sylvisj | Welson, yes. |
| 04:29.30 | Guerin | sylvisj: that's not the issue, necessarily. |
| 04:29.32 | microsys | also: edit your resolv.conf and if needed: route add default gw ro.ut.er.ip eth0 |
| 04:29.42 | Guerin | sylvisj: what ips do your windows machines use, out if interest? |
| 04:29.51 | sylvisj | Lol. The list is long. |
| 04:29.59 | Guerin | sylvisj: what subnet? |
| 04:30.05 | sylvisj | 255.255.255.0 |
| 04:30.08 | microsys | no |
| 04:30.11 | welson | Guerin, well first, dhcp is a cheap protocol and two, hey this cheapness worked on his winbloze so it's gotta be it.. |
| 04:30.15 | Guerin | that's a mask, not a subnet |
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| 04:30.22 | Guerin | sylvisj: 192.*, 172.*, 10.* ??? |
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| 04:30.29 | Guerin | welson: you're guessing |
| 04:30.49 | sylvisj | 192.168.123.254 is my router IP. |
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| 04:30.53 | sylvisj | ./gateway IP |
| 04:30.55 | microsys | i am using 141.18.23.* here *G* |
| 04:31.01 | sylvisj | ./ DHCP IP |
| 04:31.07 | sylvisj | ./ DNS server IP |
| 04:31.21 | Rothgar | Guerin: I saw that, but I am looking for something that gives me full install and ports tree, The only options are netinstall, and then full CD set is 8 ISO's |
| 04:31.28 | sylvisj | 192.168.123.100 is the one my router gave my machine itself. |
| 04:31.34 | Guerin | sylvisj: ok. And your machines are 192.168.123.* - give your debian machine an unused ip in that range, and point it to .254 as your gateway |
| 04:31.41 | sylvisj | Alright. |
| 04:31.45 | sylvisj | I was giving it my .100 one. |
| 04:31.51 | Guerin | Rothgar: the netinstall has base on it. |
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| 04:31.57 | welson | sylvisj, dpkg -l 'dhcp-client', were you discussing this package? |
| 04:31.58 | Guerin | sylvisj: don't give it an ip already in use. |
| 04:32.00 | MustangMatt | Rothgar: Just get the netinst and install the rest of the packages over the net. |
| 04:32.05 | microsys | if you have the possibility to use dhcp, do it! dhconfig eth0 -> done |
| 04:32.08 | Guerin | welson: just stop, you're not helping. |
| 04:32.16 | sylvisj | Guerin, that might have been my problem. Microsys, already tried that, didn't work. |
| 04:32.17 | microsys | then i stop now too |
| 04:32.22 | Rothgar | Alright |
| 04:32.24 | sylvisj | Welson, DHCP client is already on there. |
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| 04:32.37 | microsys | listen to guerin |
| 04:32.49 | MaestroTechie | is there a difference between LVM and RAID? |
| 04:32.52 | Guerin | !famous last words |
| 04:32.52 | dpkg | [flw16] < try_catch_this> because command line should stay back in the days of dos |
| 04:32.57 | sylvisj | Microsys: I am. |
| 04:33.15 | BarefootClown | MustangMatt: you have any thoughts on my exim4 woes? |
| 04:33.32 | MustangMatt | BarefootClown: Maybe, I missed the beginning of the conversation however. What's going on? |
| 04:33.36 | Guerin | MaestroTechie: yes, and if you were any sort of MaestroTechie, you'd know that thet's the stupidest question since "i have a computer, can I make it cook toast?" |
| 04:34.03 | ysothoth | netbsd toaster! |
| 04:34.19 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:34.39 | MaestroTechie | !LVM |
| 04:34.39 | dpkg | it has been said that lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 04:34.43 | welson | Guerin, what's the 254? |
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| 04:34.59 | Guerin | welson: the router's ip |
| 04:35.09 | mrpickles444 | hey room, what is something totallly awesome that I can do in linux ? |
| 04:35.12 | Guerin | this is a simple one-subnet private lan |
| 04:35.17 | sylvisj | Welson, DHCP client is already on there. |
| 04:35.22 | BarefootClown | MustangMatt: I upgraded from exim v.3 (package "exim") to exim v. 4 (package "exim4"). My /etc/aliases file is no longer being used; I have a number of entries, including a * entry, that are no longer recognized. As near as I can tell, the man page says that exim4 no longer uses the aliases file. How can I get that functionality? |
| 04:35.25 | sylvisj | Mrpickles, have your machine not crash randomly. |
| 04:35.27 | MustangMatt | mrpickles444: Use GPS tracking to find ninjas around the world. |
| 04:35.28 | Guerin | the router is a NAT gateway, all the others are clients behind that gateway |
| 04:35.28 | welson | sylvisj, why do you keep repeating yourself? |
| 04:35.37 | sylvisj | Welson... was just on the phone for about 5 mins. |
| 04:35.45 | mrpickles444 | MustangMatt, ninjas are totally awesome as well as mammels |
| 04:35.56 | sylvisj | Guerin... here goes. |
| 04:36.00 | welson | sylvisj, geez, get off the phone or do the other.. |
| 04:36.17 | welson | sylvisj, no wonder you sounded weird earlier :p.. |
| 04:36.29 | MustangMatt | BarefootClown: Ouch, you're beyond my exim expertise already. |
| 04:36.40 | BarefootClown | MustangMatt: OK, thanks anyway. |
| 04:37.01 | MustangMatt | Barefootclown: Was there a reason for the upgrade? |
| 04:37.10 | welson | xoz, you ever kill a man? |
| 04:37.10 | microsys | RAID often goes with LVM, but generally is LVM, providing the OS all Disk-Space as One Big Disk, and Raid can be almost the same, but most raids are redundant also |
| 04:37.13 | sylvisj | Tryign what Guerin said... if my fucking phone rigns again i'm throwing it out the window |
| 04:37.25 | sylvisj | Brb... |
| 04:37.29 | BarefootClown | MustangMatt: I think there was at the time, though I've forgotten it by now. <grin> |
| 04:37.33 | Guerin | welson: day ain't over yet |
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| 04:37.50 | jkern | I had forgotten about modems... |
| 04:37.55 | welson | Guerin, I think this server is over flooded :(.. I mean who else knows here about zope ? |
| 04:38.05 | BarefootClown | Anybody else want to take a stab at it? |
| 04:38.05 | Guerin | welson: #zope? |
| 04:38.09 | welson | #zope is dead, and I'm calling far.. |
| 04:38.15 | Guerin | !they aren't there |
| 04:38.15 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel aren't helping with your non-debian problem , it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 04:38.36 | welson | Guerin, cute, but I think xoz is not seeing the last 3 messages I've sent him .. |
| 04:38.51 | Guerin | maybe he's out having a life |
| 04:39.02 | welson | Guerin, ah haha good one.. |
| 04:39.03 | Guerin | or tracking ninjas using gps |
| 04:39.05 | ysothoth | nevar! |
| 04:39.16 | Guerin | he's very well situateed to track ninjas |
| 04:39.20 | MustangMatt | Must be a debian user if he's tracking ninjas with gps |
| 04:39.26 | microsys | Guerin, how many percent of dpkg`s replys do you remember in 5 min? 90? ;P |
| 04:39.39 | welson | Guerin, you probably do nothing but praise the little things like moos here and there |
| 04:39.42 | jkern | BarefootClown, /join #exim |
| 04:39.47 | Guerin | microsys: dpkg knows about 26,000 things. I know considerably fewer things than that. |
| 04:40.05 | microsys | but you really know a lot |
| 04:40.10 | welson | !moo |
| 04:40.10 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 04:40.35 | MustangMatt | !ninja |
| 04:40.35 | dpkg | well, ninja is http://test.lowmotion.org/u_users/480/ninjalesson.jpg, or realultimatepower.net |
| 04:40.54 | ysothoth | haha, I forgot about that |
| 04:40.56 | welson | microsys, no he doesn't, he's just showing off, you think just because he was helping someone he knows more than apt-get moo? give me a break :) |
| 04:41.01 | ysothoth | what a great page |
| 04:41.09 | liable | !fartfish |
| 04:41.09 | dpkg | liable: fartfish |
| 04:41.21 | beardy | heh.. |
| 04:41.37 | microsys | no ninja today |
| 04:41.38 | Guerin | dpkg, no, ninja is http://www.ninjatune.net |
| 04:41.38 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 04:41.53 | MustangMatt | !linux super villan |
| 04:42.17 | MaestroTechie | microsys: so is LVM similiar to RAID0 ? |
| 04:42.47 | MustangMatt | LVM is a volume management tool. Raid 0 is striping data across multiple disks. |
| 04:43.37 | welson | MaestroTechie, why do you ask yourself this, if LVM and RAID are not words but acronyms, then at least their words are very different, hence->!<diarrhea> |
| 04:43.39 | Guerin | beardy: ninjas don't use katana |
| 04:43.46 | welson | !LVM |
| 04:43.46 | dpkg | methinks lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 04:43.47 | beardy | Guerin: No, but I do. |
| 04:44.07 | microsys | no |
| 04:44.09 | beardy | Guerin: I didn't remember the name of the sword they use :) |
| 04:44.16 | Guerin | ninjato |
| 04:44.17 | beardy | Guerin: Please enlighten me. |
| 04:44.20 | beardy | Thanks. |
| 04:44.22 | Guerin | simply enough :) |
| 04:44.25 | microsys | MaestroTechie: RAid 0 tries to keep the transferrates even to both discs |
| 04:44.34 | ke6isf | Oh, great, now I'm beside myself! |
| 04:44.39 | welson | :) |
| 04:44.44 | liable | hrm, that reminds me of kabana, and that reminds me i'm hungry. |
| 04:45.04 | microsys | MaestroTechie: LVM does not matter for that, it starts at X and if the disc at that position +half-program is full, it will write to netxt |
| 04:45.19 | MustangMatt | I have a ninja in my garage: http://www.getyourrideon.com/images/bikes/3NIN250.jpg |
| 04:45.20 | Guerin | liable: that's those dirty big sausages they have up north, eh? |
| 04:45.28 | MaestroTechie | microsys: oh okay.... so LVM is more of a spanning device across disks? |
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| 04:45.36 | liable | Guerin: yep, they deep fry em here too :) |
| 04:45.45 | microsys | on Raid 0, it will write on Pos X on disc1 and on Pos y on disc2, splitting the data to be faster while reading then |
| 04:45.51 | liable | very unhealthy |
| 04:45.52 | Guerin | liable: nasty ... yet good. With beer. While fishing. |
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| 04:46.04 | liable | thats the idea. |
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| 04:46.17 | ke6isf | Not just fried, but *deep* fried. Please say those come with a free coronary bypass. |
| 04:46.30 | liable | heh |
| 04:46.37 | weilawei | Hey.. question.. is hotplug being moved into something else? I've been running unstable but this upgrade wants to remove it... |
| 04:46.58 | Guerin | ke6isf: this is Queensland. If you need to mitigate your fat intake, you just go and live in the outback for a few weeks, eating roots and grubs. |
| 04:47.19 | liable | hah |
| 04:47.20 | ke6isf | Guerin: Bwaha! |
| 04:47.33 | terrencevak | The apt-cache command didn't seem to change much of anything, just gave me a listing. |
| 04:47.52 | microsys | yes MaestroTechie, you could say LVM creates a spanning device as a virutal disk over a number of physical disks |
| 04:47.52 | beardy | terrencevak: what do you want to do? |
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| 04:48.06 | ke6isf | terrencevak: That's usually the expected result. |
| 04:48.06 | welson | Guerin, if you need to preserve your near to extinting animals, it's a good idea to :) |
| 04:48.22 | Guerin | welson: would you mind speaking english? |
| 04:48.37 | welson | Guerin, koalas, kangaroos are endangered species.. |
| 04:48.48 | Guerin | welson: hahahahaha |
| 04:48.53 | liable | kangaroos are not endangered.. |
| 04:48.55 | welson | Guerin, Queensland, that's Australia , no? |
| 04:49.07 | Guerin | welson: you're completely fucking delusional |
| 04:49.30 | ke6isf | Roos? Endangered? Nah, they aren't endangered. They put up a good fight, in fact - and will fire back if they have a firearm. |
| 04:49.30 | Guerin | welson: kangaroos, at least, are noxious pests which can legally be shot on sight ... like rabbits or wild cats. |
| 04:49.34 | welson | Guerin, you guys have been eating the mammals too much-- it's a good dietary planner you've got there, good one :) |
| 04:49.36 | ke6isf | That's not what I call "endangered". |
| 04:49.37 | terrencevak | OK... someone had suggested that to fix my dependency issues. |
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| 04:49.42 | microsys | some races are, but the wide-spread australian one is more a plague |
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| 04:50.09 | ke6isf | terrencevak: Well, OK, but what exactly are you trying to do, and in what version of Debian? |
| 04:50.19 | welson | Guerin, wrong, koalas are known to be dumb enough to be driven over by cars-- they've placed a danger 'koala walking' sign for motorists hihi.. |
| 04:50.37 | Guerin | welson: koalas are dumb. Everyone who's ever observed one knows this. |
| 04:50.42 | welson | Guerin, you don't know this? tsk tsk.. I'm here in montreal.. |
| 04:50.46 | terrencevak | How do I check my version? |
| 04:50.59 | beardy | welson: Is there koalas in Montreol? |
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| 04:51.00 | fbi | i just figured out that my mobile device has a built-in ssh client |
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| 04:51.07 | fbi | irssi on my cellie |
| 04:51.08 | Guerin | fbi: sweet |
| 04:51.10 | ke6isf | terrencevak: cat /etc/apt/sources.list, what shows up near the end of each line? |
| 04:51.10 | fbi | pheer. |
| 04:51.12 | welson | Guerin, y, but they have intrinsic tourist value, I'd like to see how I can use one for soccer or something.. |
| 04:51.15 | liable | ke6isf: hah, theres a good story about that, the defense force decided to put roos in there simulator for the tiger attack helicopter, the programmers were lazy, so just changed the picture of an infantry man to a kangaroo, cause it does the same thing, ie run away. |
| 04:51.15 | Guerin | fbi: omg irc txt |
| 04:51.23 | ke6isf | terrencevak: Also, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:51.23 | fbi | yeah man |
| 04:51.30 | welson | save koalas for the tourists! |
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| 04:51.35 | microsys | im a bit sleepy, guess this has to do with the time .. 6:51 |
| 04:51.39 | fbi | go buy a t-mobile sidekick |
| 04:51.50 | ke6isf | welson: You don't need to go to .au to see koalas! Just go to the LA Zoo! |
| 04:51.59 | fbi | i can access everything on my sarge server from my mobile now |
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| 04:52.07 | welson | ke6isf, sorry, but LA is too gay :) |
| 04:52.12 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:52.18 | welson | ke6isf, that's why I'm in Canada :) |
| 04:52.19 | beardy | !gay |
| 04:52.19 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 04:52.27 | ke6isf | !beardy++ |
| 04:52.30 | Technel | How would I set up a microphone on Debian? Are there drivers or something? When I try recording, it says " /dev/dsp does not exist" |
| 04:52.41 | liable | ke6isf: then they were showing this american colonel the sim, and he was impressed that with the lifelikeness of the kangaroos running away, ten they got the shock of there life, when the kangaroos regrouped and shot a stinger from behind a hill . |
| 04:52.42 | Guerin | Technel: make your sound card work |
| 04:52.52 | Guerin | liable: haha |
| 04:52.56 | ke6isf | liable: Bwahahahahaha! |
| 04:53.07 | welson | Guerin, LA is a two letter word, "lalala" |
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| 04:53.33 | jayeola | if just consulted /msg dpkg ncurses, but from "sarge" what one do i use for kernel building libncurses4,5,...? |
| 04:53.37 | Technel | Guerin, Thanks a lot.... |
| 04:53.45 | ke6isf | welson: I know enough about LA to know that I want to spend very little time there - and I live in Orange County. (Our motto: "WE AREN'T LOS ANGELES, DAMMIT!") |
| 04:53.51 | weilawei | What's going on with hotplug in sid? Is it being moved somewhere else or deprecated? This dist-upgrade wants to remove it. |
| 04:54.10 | beardy | jayeola: the -dev package? |
| 04:54.11 | Guerin | weilawei: BTS |
| 04:54.14 | MustangMatt | !hotplug |
| 04:54.14 | dpkg | it has been said that hotplug is a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover |
| 04:54.18 | snerfu | jayeola, ncurses-devel |
| 04:54.21 | weilawei | I know what it is. |
| 04:54.26 | welson | ke6isf, I'm joking, I'm just afraid of the naturality of things there, I hate the water having to start crawling up to my feet-- and then roll over like a pig |
| 04:54.27 | Guerin | weilawei: read debian-user and debian-devel mailing lists |
| 04:54.40 | jayeola | thanks beardy and snerfu ... |
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| 04:54.42 | weilawei | Guerin, well that'd be lovely if something didn't keep unsubscribing me. |
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| 04:54.54 | Guerin | weilawei: web archives are nice. |
| 04:54.56 | ke6isf | welson: ...you don't like the ocean. |
| 04:54.58 | Guerin | !lurker |
| 04:54.58 | dpkg | it has been said that lurker is a great web interface to mailing lists. Lurk on debian's mailing list archives at http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/splash/index.en.html |
| 04:55.06 | Guerin | that one is particularly chromey |
| 04:55.18 | welson | ke6isf, that means anything on the coast down there scares me, here I'm protected by the nature of the Conveyor's belt, -- I'm deep within the St-Lawrence :) |
| 04:56.02 | welson | ke6isf, not just that, your governement sucks when it comes to telling the people that people should evacuate - hihihi.. |
| 04:56.17 | ke6isf | welson: Keep in mind you're talking to a dude who knows about Canada only what he learned a) while staying in Victoria, BC when he was a child, and b) what he saw from Bob and Doug MacKenzie. |
| 04:56.33 | ke6isf | welson: And you can take off all words after the word "sucks", by the way - and believe me, we know. |
| 04:56.47 | welson | ke6isf, I'm talking about the fact that most Americans don't even know that Canadians speak the same language you do.. |
| 04:56.57 | terrencevak | kerisf: Here's what I get from uname: Linux Knoppix 2.4.24-xfs #1 SMP Mi Feb 4 01:03:50 CET 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:57.07 | Guerin | !knoppix |
| 04:57.08 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
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| 04:57.17 | ke6isf | terrencevak: You need to go to #knoppix, we can't help you. Knoppix is not Debian. |
| 04:57.19 | welson | ke6isf, you know, o really? |
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| 04:57.49 | weilawei | Guerin, danke |
| 04:57.50 | beardy | welson: Do all canadians speak english? |
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| 04:58.08 | ke6isf | welson: Oh, I know. We play with them like billiard balls over on LJ's mock_the_stupid all the time. =^_^= (re "Canadians speak english?") |
| 04:58.09 | terrencevak | I always thought that Knoppix was based on debian. |
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| 04:58.16 | ke6isf | !based on debian |
| 04:58.17 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 04:58.21 | welson | beardy, yes, its official, english+french. |
| 04:58.25 | beardy | terrencevak: /msg dpkg debian based |
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| 04:58.34 | Guerin | that's not to say that all canadians speak it |
| 04:58.48 | welson | ke6isf, I'm not saying all Americans are stupid, but just too many of them.. look at the Blue zone -- read up abou tit.. |
| 04:58.54 | beardy | welson: Yeah, english+french, but does that mean that everyone speaks english, or is there some who only speaks french? |
| 04:59.06 | terrencevak | join #knoppix |
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| 04:59.45 | terrencevak | Oops...sorry... |
| 04:59.46 | welson | beardy, the official language is recognized as passed from the Trudea era, from the man himself, this came about during the quiet revolution.. |
| 04:59.51 | ke6isf | welson: Figure that everywhere you go you get stupid people. Just somehow or another I manage to avoid the vast majority of them. =/ |
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| 05:00.06 | Guerin | ke6isf: and then you come to #debian |
| 05:00.07 | welson | ke6isf, yes, because you've been here in BC.. |
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| 05:00.38 | welson | ke6isf, not ever where, it's a good reason why most people down there want to just nuke it all out :) |
| 05:00.41 | ke6isf | Guerin: I tell you, man, I'm just fucking masochistic. |
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| 05:00.46 | welson | ke6isf, the blue zone my friend.. |
| 05:00.51 | beardy | welson: I don't understand, is the official language a mix of english and french? |
| 05:00.55 | ke6isf | welson: blue zone? =O.o= |
| 05:01.11 | Guerin | beardy: there are TWO official languages! |
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| 05:01.14 | Guerin | beardy: amazing! |
| 05:01.28 | welson | ke6isf, arrggh.. Red Zone / Blue zone-- Canada is blue for being unsupportive for the bush administration.. |
| 05:01.31 | beardy | Guerin: I know. But he didn't answer my question. |
| 05:01.40 | ke6isf | Ah, OK. |
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| 05:02.12 | welson | ke6isf, polls of canadians do not 'like' your government is what has been articled.. and its not just here in quebec, it's also due for the retard war decisions etc.. |
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| 05:02.36 | ke6isf | welson: See, I don't keep up a whole lot with politics, news, etc - it only serves to piss me off and give me an ulcer if I do. If I get any news, it's usually because I just bought the newspaper to read on the bus to work. |
| 05:02.39 | welson | beardy, yes, in some instances, french people like to swear in english :) |
| 05:02.40 | Guerin | ok, this is drifting beyond offtopic into the great unknown |
| 05:03.17 | ke6isf | Guerin: OK, let's get it back on topic. So, how 'bout them LA^WCalif^WAnahei^WLA Angels? =^_^= |
| 05:03.19 | beardy | Guerin: yes, it is |
| 05:03.38 | welson | nvr mind.. forget this... yikey, this is about not pointing political discussion-- but hey, from kangaroos to war measures acts this is crazy :p.. |
| 05:04.31 | beardy | it keeps the sundayers quiet though.. |
| 05:04.37 | Guerin | ke6isf: um, is that one of your stupid sports that only americans play? |
| 05:04.39 | ice_1963 | =^_^= ok |
| 05:04.46 | Guerin | </flamebait> |
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| 05:04.58 | ke6isf | Guerin: Phbbbt! =P |
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| 05:06.08 | Guerin | ke6isf: i'm actually watching hockey now |
| 05:06.24 | welson | beardy, when I said those two languages, British English is not a strong antecedent-- therefore the American English/Canadian English are only different in certain accent inflexes, the greatest difference is between British English and North Americans speaking english-- this goes the same everywhere else they speak english-- very comprehensible-- in some parts of the world like Jamaica the English sounds very different |
| 05:06.45 | themusicgod1 | Is the gtk-2.0+ (in libgtk2.0-0?) stored somewhere strange? |
| 05:06.46 | jayeola | guys, when bulding a kernel for debian, (e.g.) sarge, if i s,no,True in /etc/kernel-img.conf, will that automatically update grub.blah when i make a new kernel? |
| 05:07.01 | Guerin | themusicgod1: no |
| 05:07.09 | themusicgod1 | hrm |
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| 05:07.14 | Guerin | !wayc jayeola |
| 05:07.15 | dpkg | jayeola: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 05:07.37 | jayeola | cos i dont know any better |
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| 05:07.43 | neuonyx | hi |
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| 05:07.48 | neuonyx | now im having even more problems |
| 05:07.48 | neuonyx | :( |
| 05:07.49 | MaestroTechie | what file in debian contains the startup script? |
| 05:07.49 | ke6isf | Guerin: Our hockey season hasn't quite started yet. But then, you guys are clever enough to have your winters in the middle of August. |
| 05:07.54 | neuonyx | normal user cant run 'screen' |
| 05:07.59 | neuonyx | gets 'no more ptys' |
| 05:08.03 | neuonyx | and pork segfaults |
| 05:08.07 | neuonyx | but both run as root no problem |
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| 05:08.31 | beardy | welson: Ok. |
| 05:08.36 | neuonyx | :( |
| 05:08.38 | Guerin | ke6isf: eh... 1) nobody plays ice hockey in australia/nz 2) i'm in the northern hemisphere |
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| 05:08.49 | Guerin | ke6isf: 3) the hockey season started this week |
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| 05:09.26 | Guerin | MaestroTechie: all the startup script files live in /etc/init.d |
| 05:09.35 | neuonyx | nailbiter: you still here? |
| 05:09.48 | nvz | seeing australia and northern hemisphere in the same line is strangly confusing |
| 05:10.01 | MaestroTechie | Gueri n: thank you...i'm about to get my hands really dirty...wish me luck. |
| 05:10.16 | Guerin | !bless MaestroTechie |
| 05:10.17 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child MaestroTechie, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 05:10.27 | nvz | unless australia is secretly a small planet in the ocean, which I didnt know. |
| 05:10.30 | MaestroTechie | lol |
| 05:10.34 | ke6isf | Guerin: Eh, what do I know. |
| 05:10.40 | Guerin | ke6isf: eh. |
| 05:12.04 | beardy | MaestroTechie: /msg dpkg wish me luck |
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| 05:14.42 | MaestroTechie | may the source be with me! |
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| 05:16.09 | cddesjar | anyone interested in staroffice 8 can go here to get it |
| 05:16.10 | cddesjar | https://jsecom16.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=42CA0412E6B82A387CC5D6028829C403 |
| 05:16.38 | Guerin | cddesjar: we don't care |
| 05:16.41 | cddesjar | ok |
| 05:16.49 | cddesjar | just thought i would let everyone know |
| 05:16.55 | cddesjar | in case someone wanted it |
| 05:17.23 | cddesjar | i think it's a good alternative until oo.org2 is available...i.e. no longer in experimental |
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| 05:18.19 | cddesjar | is there suppose to be full transparency of the panels in gnome2.10? |
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| 05:19.09 | Guerin | cddesjar: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 05:19.15 | cddesjar | ok |
| 05:19.18 | cddesjar | thanks |
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| 05:25.05 | liable | well, i think i deserve a beer.. |
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| 05:25.39 | nvz | I read about fully transparent gnome-panels but I cannot remember if it was 2.10 or 2.12 |
| 05:26.05 | ke6isf | !beer liable |
| 05:26.11 | liable | doesnt xorg need to support it? |
| 05:26.12 | ke6isf | liable: It's always time for a beer! |
| 05:26.27 | liable | ke6isf: indeed, and thanks :) |
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| 05:28.28 | sanxiyn | <keybuk> dpkg depends on keybuk having time <aj> keybuk: but dpkg is essential, so that should be pre-depends |
| 05:29.08 | SimonRaven | #d-d? |
| 05:29.16 | nvz | ? |
| 05:29.22 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 05:29.22 | sanxiyn | Yes, a quote from there. |
| 05:29.31 | sanxiyn | Strange joke. |
| 05:29.49 | SimonRaven | one of those multi-layered ones |
| 05:30.14 | nvz | I am recognizing the fact that I have no clue what you are talking about. |
| 05:30.31 | SimonRaven | @comfort nvz |
| 05:30.32 | ravenbird | There, there, nvz. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 05:30.47 | terrencevak | OK...I've tried talking to #knoppix, but the channel seems to be full of idleness. So forgive me for my questions. |
| 05:31.08 | ke6isf | terrencevak: We still don't support Knoppix. |
| 05:31.30 | Guerin | !they aren't there |
| 05:31.30 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel aren't helping with your non-debian problem , it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 05:31.38 | Guerin | terrencevak: we can help you install debian |
| 05:32.01 | ke6isf | terrencevak: What Guerin said. Why get something Debian based when you can have the real McCoy? |
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| 05:32.37 | terrencevak | Well I got this version of knoppix because it had speech and braille support. |
| 05:32.55 | ke6isf | Aha. |
| 05:33.23 | nvz | festival? |
| 05:33.35 | terrencevak | Yeah, that's what this has. |
| 05:33.39 | ke6isf | nvz: No, I think it was something that was somehow tied to Gnome. |
| 05:33.45 | nvz | !info festival |
| 05:33.48 | dpkg | festival: (general multi-lingual speech synthesis system), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.4.3-17 (sid), Packaged size: 774 kB, Installed size: 2168 kB |
| 05:33.50 | nvz | terrencevak: so does debian |
| 05:33.50 | terrencevak | Gnopernicus. |
| 05:33.51 | ke6isf | !info festival sarge |
| 05:33.53 | dpkg | festival: (general multi-lingual speech synthesis system), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.4.3-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 879 kB, Installed size: 2576 kB |
| 05:33.58 | ke6isf | terrencevak: Thank you, that's it! |
| 05:34.02 | ke6isf | !info gnopernicus sarge |
| 05:34.03 | Guerin | debian has braille and reading support |
| 05:34.05 | dpkg | gnopernicus: (Screen reader for GNOME 2), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.19-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 1597 kB, Installed size: 6360 kB |
| 05:34.14 | ke6isf | terrencevak: It's all there, dude. |
| 05:34.23 | SimonRaven | like, totally |
| 05:34.35 | Guerin | SimonRaven: give him a break, he's from OC |
| 05:34.35 | nvz | in short debian has a whole lot more than knoppix. |
| 05:34.45 | nvz | heh |
| 05:34.53 | SimonRaven | oc? |
| 05:34.54 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Stop like making fun of me! Like, gag me with a spoon! =^_^= |
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| 05:34.59 | terrencevak | !info gnopernicus |
| 05:35.01 | dpkg | gnopernicus: (Screen reader for GNOME 2), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.19-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1597 kB, Installed size: 6360 kB |
| 05:35.03 | terrencevak | Oops... |
| 05:35.05 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 05:35.10 | nvz | and Guerin is from the northern-southern hemisphere |
| 05:35.24 | Guerin | eh? |
| 05:35.35 | SimonRaven | i am from the planet called terra, in the sol system |
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| 05:35.48 | ke6isf | SimonRaven: Well, it does narrow it down just a little. |
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| 05:36.07 | SimonRaven | on the northwestern continent |
| 05:36.40 | nvz | I didnt understand your earlier remark containing "Australia" and "Northern Hemisphere" on the same line *shrug* |
| 05:36.43 | Guerin | SimonRaven: northwestern from where? |
| 05:36.44 | terrencevak | OK...so is there a way to install debian with gnopernicus if you can't see the screen? |
| 05:36.51 | Guerin | nvz: i'm not from australia, though |
| 05:37.01 | Guerin | nor am I in australia |
| 05:37.11 | Guerin | but I have been to australia |
| 05:37.15 | nvz | Guerin: you are all over the place from what I gather. so who knows. |
| 05:37.23 | nvz | you travel more than me |
| 05:37.32 | ke6isf | terrencevak: erm... hmm. |
| 05:37.33 | SimonRaven | Guerin: 0:0 is near the cotinent called africa, in the ocean called atlantic |
| 05:37.40 | SimonRaven | cont* |
| 05:37.42 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:37.59 | syntaxx | fluxbox can run Xnest? |
| 05:38.13 | SimonRaven | xnest doesn't depend on one wm |
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| 05:38.38 | nvz | Xnest is a X client, doesnt even need a wm |
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| 05:38.46 | Grubs | I have Debian Stable 3.1 installed. Is there an faq explaining how to upgrade to the unstable release? Do I just install over the top or is there a more elegant way? |
| 05:38.49 | SimonRaven | quite |
| 05:38.55 | brady__ | anbody know how to transcode from ape audio format? |
| 05:38.56 | syntaxx | SimonRaven, says Server is already active for display 0 |
| 05:39.01 | SimonRaven | Grubs: if you have to ask, don't |
| 05:39.08 | Guerin | Grubs: yeah. the faq is "don't" |
| 05:39.19 | Grubs | fair enough :) |
| 05:39.31 | ke6isf | terrencevak: The only way I can think of is to get somebody else to do it for you, but note that the install process in Debian is pretty much text based - so if your braille terminal can deal with that without special drivers, you might be all set. |
| 05:39.35 | SimonRaven | you'll thank us for it later |
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| 05:40.17 | Grubs | OK then - my only real problem is asterisk-app-fax not working but I'll install asterisk from the source into Sarge 3.1 instead. |
| 05:40.23 | nvz | Grubs: get used to stable learn how the package system works, familiarize yourself with debian policy and principals, the mailing lists, bts..etc and hang around here a while then maybe you can think about testing newer software |
| 05:41.01 | terrencevak | Would apt-get dist-upgrade, with the default source set to stable, install actual debian? |
| 05:41.08 | SimonRaven | ok, wtf happened to my priv key... |
| 05:41.19 | nvz | its not so private anymore :P |
| 05:41.19 | sanxiyn | SimonRaven: Ugh. |
| 05:41.36 | nvz | I was reading it in the Saturday Times this morning |
| 05:41.46 | Grubs | nvz. thx. The conservative Debian philosophy is what I like about Debian. |
| 05:42.08 | nvz | heh |
| 05:42.15 | ke6isf | Guerin: You can't change from knoppix to (say) sarge by way of dist-upgrade, can you? |
| 05:42.29 | sanxiyn | ke6isf: One can try. |
| 05:42.41 | Grubs | just happens that the asterisk fax abilities are broken for me in the Stable release and even unstable uses quite old versions of some libraries. |
| 05:42.50 | sanxiyn | (Not guaranteed to work, but then, even woody->sarge isn't *guaranteed* to work.) |
| 05:42.51 | nvz | probably not it likly has newer packages that cant be easily downgraded to those in sarge |
| 05:42.52 | Grubs | ..but thats OK |
| 05:42.57 | sanxiyn | Some degree of possible workingness. |
| 05:43.01 | Guerin | ke6isf: not reliably |
| 05:43.12 | Grubs | thats why we have development systems that we can break without consequence. |
| 05:43.26 | nvz | would probably have better luck with debtakeover |
| 05:43.37 | Guerin | anything's possible, but it does incolve breaking and fixing things manually, and hand-resolving dependencies |
| 05:43.40 | beardy | ke6isf: knoppix does things differently, it will probably only break it. |
| 05:43.47 | ke6isf | beardy: True enough. |
| 05:43.54 | SimonRaven | ok, nothing serious, just gnupg puking |
| 05:44.15 | Guerin | i wouldn't use debtakeover for anything I cared about even a little bit |
| 05:44.28 | terrencevak | *thinks he shouldn't have insisted on going with Oralux... after the tech guy had nicely installed Debian... |
| 05:44.31 | valdyn | Grubs: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 05:44.32 | SimonRaven | !debtakeover |
| 05:44.33 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 05:44.38 | beardy | ke6isf: And noone installs knoppix on a harddrive anyway, (in an ideal world) |
| 05:44.57 | Grubs | :) |
| 05:45.03 | nvz | I have wondered for some time if I can use a modem in one of these boxes to make my PC into a caller ID or perhaps more... a call center or something |
| 05:45.33 | nvz | I know not how that caller ID system works |
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| 05:45.50 | beardy | nvz: vgetty? |
| 05:46.02 | Grubs | asterisk works great for that... and runs my callerID, VoIP and (hopefully) fax. |
| 05:46.19 | terrencevak | Well, this is actually not even really completely knoppix; it's based on it though. It's sort of knoppix stripped of all its x activity. |
| 05:46.37 | ke6isf | terrencevak: You might also ask on the debian-users mailing list, note what you are trying to do, and ask for suggestions there - but note that, like here, the list won't support knoppix, but will probably be able to give you answers or suggestions for installing Debian with your requirements. |
| 05:47.16 | ideal | Hi, is there any peer-to-peer daemon in Debian Linux? |
| 05:47.27 | nvz | beardy: wtf is vgetty and what does it have to do with anything? |
| 05:47.34 | terrencevak | Is that debian-users list part of the lists.debian.org set? |
| 05:47.35 | Gnea | ideal: what's that? |
| 05:47.40 | ke6isf | terrencevak: Yes it is. |
| 05:47.44 | nvz | ideal: giftd |
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| 05:48.05 | ideal | On File Sharing or Media Streaming. |
| 05:48.19 | beardy | nvz: Check the package.. |
| 05:48.20 | nvz | ideal: current fully functional network plugins are OpenFT, Gnutella, and FastTrack (not in debian) |
| 05:48.22 | ideal | Thanks nvz. I got that. |
| 05:48.24 | beardy | !info vgetty |
| 05:48.28 | nvz | beardy: I did, it doesnt exist |
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| 05:48.49 | beardy | !info vgetty woody |
| 05:49.16 | beardy | ok, my mistake then. |
| 05:49.19 | Grubs | is it considered "uncool" to email a package maintainer? |
| 05:49.23 | ke6isf | !ionfo mgetty-voice |
| 05:49.28 | ke6isf | !info mgetty-voice |
| 05:49.32 | nvz | Grubs: depends on what you are emailing and who it is |
| 05:49.33 | dpkg | mgetty-voice: (Voicemail handler for mgetty), section comm, is extra. Version: 1.1.33-3 (sid), Packaged size: 169 kB, Installed size: 480 kB |
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| 05:49.37 | ke6isf | beardy: That would be your package, sir. =^^= |
| 05:49.40 | Grubs | lol |
| 05:49.51 | terrencevak | OK; I'm going to join that, and will also check out that debtakeover thing. |
| 05:50.14 | beardy | ke6isf: Thanks. I'm sure I've seen vgetty too though.. |
| 05:50.14 | ke6isf | terrencevak: Good luck, whichever route you take. =) |
| 05:50.19 | valdyn | Grubs: the bts is probably a better target. |
| 05:50.20 | ideal | nvz: most of them in Debian are clients. |
| 05:50.32 | nvz | Grubs: if you are requesting features or build options you should probably use the BTS |
| 05:50.33 | ke6isf | beardy: That's one of four results from 'apt-cache search vgetty'. |
| 05:50.51 | Grubs | I'll check the bts first. Thanks. |
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| 05:50.57 | Grubs | debian bts |
| 05:51.01 | AzMoo | How hard would it be to make a debian live CD? I want something I can put in my windows box, but I can't format the hard-drives. |
| 05:51.07 | nvz | I am not looking for voice mail I am looking for caller ID, and filtering of my phone calls. |
| 05:51.41 | nvz | I'd like to connect a phone and a phone line and see on my screen who is calling, and if I dont want to talk to them click a button or something and have my connected handset stop ringing |
| 05:51.50 | beardy | ke6isf: Perhaps it got removed somewhere in the woody revisions..? |
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| 05:52.12 | ke6isf | beardy: Could have. I knew of it when I was dabbling with slack back in 1997, but that's about it. |
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| 05:52.22 | Grubs | nvz: thats where I started. Ended up with a complete two line voip solution. |
| 05:52.33 | ke6isf | beardy: Odds are, though, it just got incorp'ed into mgetty-voice. |
| 05:53.08 | remadmin | how can i tell what nic is attached to what eth[x] number. i'm guessing its the order the module is loaded in /etc/modules. ? |
| 05:53.15 | darkness | Hi folks.I've almost persuaded a friend to install deb.He's after sarge using an amd 64 3k+ chip.Any help on where he can download disk one to get started.Someone gave me a link for a 250mb download of sarge and i swear the install was so easy even set up DHCP.Was so easy my mum could install it :-) |
| 05:53.33 | valdyn | remadmin: depends on the order the drivers are loaded in |
| 05:53.39 | nvz | remadmin: /var/log/dmesg |
| 05:54.10 | remadmin | just got a eth1 timeout error want to make sure i got the card right, thanks |
| 05:54.12 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 05:54.12 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 05:54.49 | beardy | ke6isf: Perhaps.. From the description of mgetty-voice "Vgetty allows you to add answering machine / voicemail capability to" seems like it. There is a webmin-vgetty though *shrug* |
| 05:54.59 | nvz | darkness: you should refrain from forcing debian or any open system on people. you will only live to regret it. |
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| 05:55.39 | nvz | darkness: people have to appreciate the debian philosophy to appreciate debian. Not to mention AMD64 is not currently a supported arch in debian |
| 05:55.43 | liable | darkness: you want 64 version? |
| 05:55.59 | terrencevak | Well drat! The debtakeover script says I'm already running debian (which isn't the case) |
| 05:56.20 | darkness | nvz: He was very disapointed with linux.Mind you he was using fedora. |
| 05:56.22 | valdyn | god no, someone who's 'forced' to use debian doesnt want to be 'forced' to cope with the issues 'amd64' has still aswell |
| 05:56.39 | darkness | liable: apparently debian doesn't support 64bit? |
| 05:57.00 | ke6isf | darkness: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 05:57.21 | valdyn | darkness: your friend is better off just using the i386 port |
| 05:57.33 | nvz | darkness: there is 64bit stuff its just not currently supported officially its what you may call beta release or such |
| 05:57.51 | darkness | So the i386 will run on his box? |
| 05:58.02 | valdyn | darkness: sure |
| 05:58.04 | beardy | terrencevak: Was it gnopernicus you needed/used? |
| 05:58.05 | nvz | does a bear shit in the woods? |
| 05:58.14 | ke6isf | darkness: amd64, I presume? |
| 05:58.21 | darkness | Yeah amd64 |
| 05:58.31 | sanxiyn | darkness: i386 codes will surely run on it. |
| 05:58.35 | ke6isf | Will k7 run on amd64? |
| 05:58.41 | MaestroTechie | 12 hours of work....just to find out i had to 'format' my raid drive ... :: sigh :: |
| 05:58.44 | valdyn | ke6isf: sure |
| 05:58.49 | MaestroTechie | don't laugh |
| 05:58.49 | liable | i reckon try the 64 port. |
| 05:58.51 | darkness | nvz: Never watched a bear long enough.But i would guess he/she would have too :-) |
| 05:59.07 | ke6isf | nvz: A bear shits wherever it damn well pleases. |
| 05:59.21 | terrencevak | If I do netinst, will that totally reformat my hard drive? Do I need to back everything up first? |
| 05:59.23 | liable | !tell darkness about amd64 |
| 05:59.24 | nvz | ke6isf: I've never seen one in my bathroom |
| 05:59.24 | darkness | Can i make you liable for that :-) |
| 05:59.39 | ke6isf | nvz: Well obviously it doesn't want to be in your bathroom. =^_^= |
| 05:59.39 | valdyn | terrencevak: you should backup |
| 05:59.58 | ke6isf | terrencevak: backing up is always a good thing regardless. |
| 06:00.08 | terrencevak | Shoot! I'm out of back-up media! |
| 06:00.10 | liable | darkness: have a read, ask in there channel, make up your own mind. |
| 06:00.26 | ke6isf | terrencevak: doh! |
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| 06:00.47 | nvz | terrencevak: whats on your hard drive? |
| 06:01.37 | nvz | terrencevak: I only need generally speaking, partitions, filesystems and their mount points I.e. hda1 NTFS C:, hda2 ext3 /, hda3 swap swap.. |
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| 06:02.18 | terrencevak | I actually have 2 hard-drives. |
| 06:02.37 | terrencevak | What if I do netinst on the little one and use the big one for data? |
| 06:02.50 | nvz | whatever pulls your bandwagon |
| 06:02.52 | ke6isf | terrencevak: That would be an even better idea. |
| 06:03.11 | remadmin | how can i tell what options are set for a nic module, i want to try acpi=off if it isn't set already? |
| 06:03.29 | jayeola | any one from uk here? |
| 06:03.29 | ke6isf | terrencevak: I personally consider it a Good Thing to have your operating system on one partition/disk/whatever, and have your data on another disk/part/whatever - that way you can alter stuff without blowing your data away. |
| 06:03.37 | nvz | since when is ACPI an option for nic modules? |
| 06:04.24 | nvz | remadmin: acpi=off is a kernel parameter, not a module parameter AFAIK |
| 06:04.59 | terrencevak | OK... so what I'll do then is do netinst on the smaller drive...how much do you actually have to input into it to get it installed? Can I set it to put in gnopernicus? |
| 06:05.00 | nvz | remadmin: your kernel command line should be shown in /var/log/dmesg |
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| 06:05.18 | beardy | terrencevak: You could, perhaps, use the system you have now, and do a chroot install of debian, to be able to run it through gnopernicus? But that can make a mess of your partitions though.. if you leave the os you have now in the beginning of the drive, and install debian on another partition.. |
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| 06:07.25 | terrencevak | beardy: A chroot install? Would that be using netinst or something else? |
| 06:07.40 | ke6isf | !chroot install |
| 06:07.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
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| 06:08.55 | remadmin | nvz: can i paste you something in flood in regards to my eth1 timeouts |
| 06:10.54 | beardy | terrencevak: It will be a little more difficult than running the netinstaller, but if you are familiar with GNU/linux already, you can probably make it. And you would be able to use gnopernicus (I think..) What is gnopernicus, in short? Do you run a shell through it, or..? |
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| 06:11.49 | wookienz | if i dont know the port that is the source, but i do the dest. port as i specify it in my p2p prog. how do i implement port forwarding? |
| 06:11.52 | ke6isf | beardy: gnopernicus is text to speech software for sight impaired folks. |
| 06:11.56 | lOuPGaRou | Please Help me :'( |
| 06:12.09 | sanxiyn | ke6isf: It also provides magnifier, IIRC. |
| 06:12.11 | lOuPGaRou | Is very urgently |
| 06:12.18 | ke6isf | !ask lOuPGaRou |
| 06:12.32 | lOuPGaRou | i need to fuck :'( |
| 06:12.32 | sanxiyn | !ask |
| 06:12.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:12.35 | ke6isf | lOuPGaRou: We can't help you until you ask a question. |
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| 06:12.37 | lOuPGaRou | i dont need masturb me ! |
| 06:12.37 | coywolf | how do you like this idea? http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/10/9/10/ |
| 06:12.43 | ke6isf | !ops lOuPGaRou is a troll |
| 06:12.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: lOuPGaRou is a troll |
| 06:12.45 | lOuPGaRou | i always masturbe me :s |
| 06:12.52 | lOuPGaRou | !doogie |
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| 06:13.11 | beardy | ke6isf: Yeah, that much I've figured out :) But not how it actually does things, or what kind of text, or where from, it can speech. |
| 06:13.12 | liable | lOuPGaRou: go away |
| 06:13.19 | lOuPGaRou | FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD FlooD |
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| 06:13.41 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 06:13.48 | beardy | !beer bob2 |
| 06:13.51 | ke6isf | beardy: In $wm, it will pretty much do this to whatever window is prominent. |
| 06:14.02 | bob2 | !+sunday |
| 06:14.02 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 06:14.11 | liable | not too bad, first real idiot of the day :) |
| 06:14.17 | ke6isf | !always sunday |
| 06:14.17 | dpkg | Just as it's always September, somewhere, out on the internet, it's always Sunday here in #debian. |
| 06:14.42 | beardy | ke6isf: Ok, what do you think about a chroot install for him then? |
| 06:15.05 | ke6isf | beardy: Not familiar with the process, but if it's what I think it is (effectively, start a new session and install via that), it could work. |
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| 06:16.15 | terrencevak | ke6isf: EXCEPTºTHATºIºCAN´TºSEEMºto mount the /mnt/debinst partition the guide's asking for. |
| 06:16.59 | ke6isf | terrencevak: You need to be root to mount partitions. |
| 06:17.26 | chimaera | hi. |
| 06:17.37 | terrencevak | ke6isf: I'm doing it as root: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/debinst. |
| 06:17.55 | ke6isf | terrencevak: What error is it giving you? |
| 06:17.57 | beardy | ke6isf: I haven't done it either, (only something similar, when I had to transfer a tar:ed base system onto a box with to little ram for the installer to run, and start from there). But it doesn't seem that hard, if you check the url in the "chroot install" factoid. |
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| 06:18.26 | quetK | hi, excuse, if i wanna to download entire kernel source for debian sarge, what package i need to download? |
| 06:18.30 | terrencevak | ke6isf: It says, "mount: mount point /mnt/debinst does not exist" |
| 06:18.57 | ke6isf | terrencevak: Do 'mkdir /mnt/debinst' and try again. |
| 06:19.02 | beardy | terrencevak: You have to create that directory first. |
| 06:19.20 | bob2 | quetK: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8.1 |
| 06:19.24 | bob2 | quetK: why do you want it? |
| 06:19.34 | quetK | for testing only |
| 06:19.35 | quetK | :D |
| 06:19.40 | quetK | thanks |
| 06:19.46 | terrencevak | Ahah!! |
| 06:19.53 | terrencevak | OK, that worked! |
| 06:20.09 | chealer | quetK, kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 06:20.49 | quetK | thanks chealer |
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| 06:21.07 | quetK | when i download it, where folder it is saved? |
| 06:21.35 | bob2 | /usr/src |
| 06:21.46 | bob2 | note that the kernel source is of no use if you're building modules |
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| 06:22.38 | quetK | ok |
| 06:22.43 | quetK | i consider that |
| 06:22.47 | sanxiyn | bob2: Except when you build fglrx. |
| 06:23.00 | beardy | quetK: dpkg --listfiles packagename |
| 06:23.09 | sanxiyn | Eh, newer version fixed that, I heard. |
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| 06:23.34 | bob2 | sanxiyn: seriously? |
| 06:23.36 | bob2 | haha ati. |
| 06:23.40 | sanxiyn | bob2: Seriously. |
| 06:23.52 | sanxiyn | (Using private kernel headers or so.) |
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| 06:25.23 | ultravio1et16 | just wondering, can anyone see this? |
| 06:25.27 | Garda | dpkg tells me there is no gpl java sdk or runtime environment for linux |
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| 06:25.35 | Garda | is that true |
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| 06:25.42 | bob2 | omg lolz |
| 06:25.43 | sanxiyn | ultravio1et16: Yes. |
| 06:25.44 | ultravio1et16 | I just started using irssi |
| 06:25.44 | bob2 | (yes) |
| 06:25.47 | ke6isf | UltraSub: Nope. |
| 06:25.48 | ultravio1et16 | oh ok, thanks a lot |
| 06:25.58 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: No, I cna't see it. |
| 06:26.02 | sanxiyn | Garda: There are many. |
| 06:26.08 | sanxiyn | Garda: Which factoid are you referring |
| 06:26.37 | sanxiyn | Okay, there is not yet complete implementation of free Java SDK or runtime. |
| 06:26.43 | ultravio1et16 | so check this out.. i'm trying to upload a directory with sftp, and put is only to upload one file, anyone know how to? |
| 06:27.15 | Garda | sanxiyn: so what do i do if i want to make java programs |
| 06:27.21 | bob2 | Garda: don't |
| 06:27.28 | bob2 | pick a portable language with a Free runtime, if at all possible |
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| 06:27.46 | sal | i need help |
| 06:27.48 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: tar the directory, sftp the tarball, and unpack it on the other end in the shell. Requires shell access on system you are uploading to. |
| 06:27.48 | Garda | bob2: like what |
| 06:27.58 | ke6isf | sal: Well, OK, ask your question. |
| 06:28.16 | sanxiyn | Garda: Python! :-) |
| 06:28.16 | ultravio1et16 | ke6isf: the problem is that this is a livecd gentoo os I'm running on a broken machine.. |
| 06:28.29 | sal | i just bye a new computer ... and seem i can't install debian... |
| 06:28.31 | ultravio1et16 | the hd is messed up and I'm just trying to recover some things from it before I format it |
| 06:28.38 | sanxiyn | Garda: Free Java environment includes Kaffe and GCJ. |
| 06:28.39 | sal | oups i buy a new computer |
| 06:28.40 | bob2 | Garda: python, perl, ruby, even C# is portable if you use gtk# |
| 06:28.49 | ke6isf | sal: What makes you think you can't install Debian? |
| 06:28.51 | ultravio1et16 | I can't tar the directory, not enough space in the ram |
| 06:29.01 | sanxiyn | bob2: Well, Java is mostly portable if you use Java-GTK? |
| 06:29.07 | bob2 | sanxiyn: is it? |
| 06:29.20 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: Ah, OK. You'll have to rely on unencrypted then. Do you have ncftp installed? |
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| 06:29.28 | sanxiyn | bob2: Yes. GCJ is available for Windows as part of MinGW. |
| 06:29.50 | sal | it's because... i try sarge the one we can d/l core 2.6 and can't install my ethernet card... seem to did'nt recognize my hd too |
| 06:29.54 | ultravio1et16 | well, it's basically whatever gentoo minimal live cd has.. I dont know. let me ssh into the box |
| 06:30.12 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: The alternative is to cd recursively and sftp each file, creating directories as you go. |
| 06:30.13 | sanxiyn | Or SWT, even. |
| 06:30.13 | ultravio1et16 | -bash: ncftp: command not found |
| 06:30.38 | sanxiyn | ultravio1et16: Install it! :-) |
| 06:30.40 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: Are you remotely accessing the dying box, or are you schlepping the files from the dying box? |
| 06:30.44 | ultravio1et16 | maybe I can just download ncftp.. hehe yea |
| 06:31.17 | ultravio1et16 | well I'm remotely accessing the dieing box, but only cause I'm lazy. it's in the other side of the house =) |
| 06:31.20 | ultravio1et16 | on my network |
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| 06:31.42 | liable | heh |
| 06:31.44 | ultravio1et16 | I'm accessing the box through ssh on my machine, and then running sftp to come back to this box. |
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| 06:31.47 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: OK, install it on the box you're on and have fun. Get to know 'get -R' very well. |
| 06:31.48 | nvz | sounds like schlepping to me |
| 06:31.52 | Garda | thanks guys |
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| 06:32.13 | ultravio1et16 | sorry I've never heard the term schlepping |
| 06:32.17 | ke6isf | nvz: It's getting to the point where I should probably go to bed. |
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| 06:32.22 | ke6isf | !define schlep |
| 06:32.24 | nvz | me either before now. I had to look it up |
| 06:32.30 | ke6isf | !dict schlep |
| 06:32.32 | dpkg | could not find definition for schlep |
| 06:32.48 | nvz | it means to move about clumsily or foolishly |
| 06:33.06 | nvz | from what I gather |
| 06:33.08 | sal | so my computer is a Dell 9100 with 3.2 dual core intel |
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| 06:33.20 | ke6isf | nvz: Pretty much. |
| 06:33.31 | ultravio1et16 | ha thanks a lot guys |
| 06:33.52 | ultravio1et16 | It might not be the best way to do it, but it works.. atleast when it does work. |
| 06:33.56 | chimaera | j/ #gentoo-ppc |
| 06:34.08 | ultravio1et16 | if you all have to do the same thing I'm doing, how would you go about it, I'm alway open to suggestion |
| 06:34.10 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: Given circumstances, you're getting data off in a hurry. That you're doing this implies there's some schleppage. |
| 06:34.11 | liable | eew |
| 06:34.39 | sal | should i told you that i'm a newbie... |
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| 06:35.00 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: You hvae the right idea, actually. Transfer the data off and replace the disk. |
| 06:35.12 | terrencevak | I'm trying to follow the chroot install directions. When I try to run debootstrap, I get, "/usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 209: .: /mnt/debinst: is a directory". What am I doing wrong? |
| 06:35.34 | bob2 | terrencevak: show us the full command line you're running |
| 06:35.37 | ultravio1et16 | ke6isf: so install ncftp..? |
| 06:35.41 | ultravio1et16 | I've never installed from source.. |
| 06:35.55 | ultravio1et16 | does gentoo have apt-get or anything like it? 0_0 |
| 06:36.01 | terrencevak | OK... going to paste this so I don't mistype... |
| 06:36.04 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: Yes, get the binaries. What is the system you are on right now? |
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| 06:36.27 | ultravio1et16 | the system i'm on now is debian.. |
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| 06:36.28 | sal | Bah OKAY |
| 06:36.34 | sal | THanx for the Help |
| 06:36.37 | ultravio1et16 | what I learned on, been using it now for about 6 months or so |
| 06:36.42 | liable | sal: wait |
| 06:36.44 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: Then just install it on the console you're on. |
| 06:36.54 | terrencevak | OK, here's the command-line plus its results: |
| 06:36.55 | terrencevak | /usr/sbin/debootstrap --i386 arch sarge /mnt/debinst http://http.us.d |
| 06:36.55 | terrencevak | ebian.org/debian |
| 06:37.00 | ultravio1et16 | i'm on the debian box, and I ssh'ed into the dying box |
| 06:37.11 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: install it on the Debian box. |
| 06:37.12 | liable | sal: there are known issues with some dell, i was just trying to find the damn factoid that gives a link.. |
| 06:37.19 | terrencevak | /usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 209: .: /mnt/debinst: is a directoryOK...let me do that agaio... |
| 06:37.21 | terrencevak | "/usr/sbin/debootstrap --i386 arch sarge /mnt/debinst http://http.us.d |
| 06:37.22 | terrencevak | ebian.org/debian |
| 06:37.27 | terrencevak | /usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 209: .: /mnt/debinst: is a directory" |
| 06:37.31 | ke6isf | terrencevak: You might join #flood instead. |
| 06:37.32 | ultravio1et16 | ncftp?? but I need to run it from the gentoo box...? |
| 06:37.34 | sal | thanx liable... i'm gonna wait then... |
| 06:37.39 | sal | i'm now on windows |
| 06:37.44 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: Does the gentoo box not have an ftpd running? |
| 06:37.55 | beardy | terrencevak: Please paste in #flood, or better, the pastebin |
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| 06:38.04 | ultravio1et16 | ke6isf: no it doesn't |
| 06:38.04 | sanxiyn | terrencevak: Eh, isn't that debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /mnt/debinst? |
| 06:38.06 | ultravio1et16 | it's the client |
| 06:38.09 | beardy | terrencevak: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 06:38.10 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: OK, that complicates things. |
| 06:38.12 | sanxiyn | terrencevak: Not --i386 arch. |
| 06:38.23 | liable | sal: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers |
| 06:38.23 | ultravio1et16 | the debian box is the ftp server, running pure ftp |
| 06:38.39 | terrencevak | OK...I was just wanting the command to come across right, but it wasn't working right... |
| 06:38.45 | sal | thanx liable... on gonna take a look there |
| 06:38.50 | ultravio1et16 | i'm going to have to wget the source on the gentoo box and compile and install on there right? |
| 06:38.58 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: What about scp? |
| 06:39.18 | ultravio1et16 | ke6isf: yea I have scp installed on the gentoo box |
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| 06:39.37 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: That might work. Get scp installed on the debian box and go to town. |
| 06:40.05 | liable | sal: um, forget that page, i thought you had a server.. |
| 06:40.09 | ultravio1et16 | um well I have scp on the debian box too.. how do I use scp.. never even heard of it.. ah hell let me try to figure it out.. |
| 06:40.22 | sal | ooooh.... |
| 06:40.24 | sanxiyn | scp is like cp. |
| 06:40.33 | terrencevak | OK, so if someone wants my commandline it should go in #paste then? |
| 06:40.46 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: near as I can tell it would be 'scp -r user@host:/path/to/dir /local/dest/dir' |
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| 06:41.14 | ultravio1et16 | yea I'm reading about it now.. damn scp seems to be exactly what I needed. |
| 06:41.16 | ke6isf | terrencevak: In flood, or use the pastebin at http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 06:41.22 | ultravio1et16 | I will use this in the future for sure. |
| 06:41.45 | sal | thanx anyways.... sir |
| 06:42.11 | terrencevak | Ah, OK. |
| 06:43.06 | beardy | !coffee ke6isf |
| 06:44.44 | ultravio1et16 | ke6isf: sweet! thanks it worked. |
| 06:44.53 | ultravio1et16 | wow scp is so much simpler.. this is great. thanks a million |
| 06:44.57 | sanxiyn | UltraSub: Yay. |
| 06:45.01 | ultravio1et16 | O |
| 06:45.03 | terrencevak | OK, debootstrap is runnin'! |
| 06:45.03 | sanxiyn | oops, was to ultravio1et16. |
| 06:45.21 | ultravio1et16 | hehe UltraSub is usually on here, I see people calling me that usually hehe |
| 06:46.32 | kevix | ultraviolet16, I got in late but are you getting a basic debian system by using debootstrap on a non-live linux partition? |
| 06:46.47 | darkness | beardy: Hope the coffee was single estate blue mountain? |
| 06:47.06 | ultravio1et16 | kevix: ah no |
| 06:47.13 | ultravio1et16 | i think that was someone else |
| 06:47.17 | beardy | darkness: I don't know, dpkg bought/found it. |
| 06:47.28 | ultravio1et16 | I was just running gentoo livecd on another machine and had to copy files to my debian server. |
| 06:47.38 | terrencevak | That was me that's using bootstrap. |
| 06:47.42 | kevix | ultraviolet16, ok. my bad. |
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| 06:48.22 | jair | hello guys ? |
| 06:48.39 | lf | hi |
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| 06:49.43 | kevix | jair, please remember Debian has women! (otherwise, you can usually just 'ask' a question with little fanfaire) |
| 06:49.58 | ke6isf | beardy: This is one of those that can only be treated with ginger and sleep. |
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| 06:50.03 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: Glad to help. |
| 06:50.09 | deeptaz | can anybody telll me a UI based tool for configuring my wireless card on gnome |
| 06:50.39 | stjepan | hello |
| 06:50.49 | stjepan | what is apt-get moo?? a joke? |
| 06:50.55 | ke6isf | stjepan: Just do it. |
| 06:50.59 | sanxiyn | stjepan: Precisely. |
| 06:51.00 | chealer | !moo |
| 06:51.00 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 06:51.02 | ke6isf | stjepan: Or just moo it, rather. |
| 06:51.03 | beardy | ke6isf: Hmm, the ginger makes you sleep better, or wakes you up? |
| 06:51.16 | liable | sal: doesnt look good.. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/08/msg00368.html i definately dont recommend try the sid installer, maybe try ubuntu or another distro that has a newer kernel. |
| 06:51.17 | ke6isf | beardy: It makes me sleep better, but indirectly - it settles my stomach. |
| 06:51.37 | stjepan | but what is it? |
| 06:51.39 | stjepan | who made moo? |
| 06:51.44 | chealer | stjepan, it's the axiom of postmodern boolean logic |
| 06:51.44 | beardy | ke6isf: Ok, have to try that sometime. |
| 06:51.49 | beardy | !factinfo moo |
| 06:51.49 | dpkg | moo -- last modified at Tue Jul 26 18:18:08 2005 by asg!~asg@cpe-024-093-091-129.carolina.res.rr.com; it has been requested 69 times, last by stjepan, 25s ago. |
| 06:52.12 | sal | damn... almost same thing than me... |
| 06:52.14 | beardy | ke6isf: in water, or how do one eat/drink it? |
| 06:52.16 | ke6isf | stjepan: moo is apt-get's super cow powers! |
| 06:52.26 | beardy | ke6isf: like tea? |
| 06:52.28 | stjepan | yeah funny |
| 06:52.41 | ke6isf | beardy: Variety of ways. Ginger beer, raw, candies, tea. In this case, it's these ginger chews I hvae. |
| 06:52.42 | stjepan | It does nothing? Just moo? :) |
| 06:52.48 | ke6isf | stjepan: Pretty much. |
| 06:52.50 | sanxiyn | stjepan: See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowsay |
| 06:52.51 | ke6isf | !easter egg |
| 06:53.01 | sal | but... my core... is a dual one... |
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| 06:53.07 | stjepan | I saw cowsay and cowthink |
| 06:53.13 | ultravio1et16 | feels awesome to find out why linux is really so much better than windows. seems like it really takes sometime though to get through the begining stages of switching to linux. |
| 06:53.30 | ultravio1et16 | but once your in, your in |
| 06:53.33 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: I've been using Linux to some degree since 1997, and I still have much to learn. |
| 06:53.35 | sal | is there help for unbuntu |
| 06:53.42 | stjepan | ke6isf: what? what "pretty much"? |
| 06:53.44 | ke6isf | sal: Yeah, /join #ubuntu |
| 06:53.47 | sanxiyn | stjepan: Don't miss "Cowsay in Linux Kernel" part. :-) |
| 06:53.51 | beardy | sal: /join #ubuntu |
| 06:54.02 | sal | is it almost the same thing |
| 06:54.19 | ke6isf | stjepan: It cannot be explained. It is just moo. It's a gag - an easter egg - and that's it. |
| 06:54.19 | jair | beardy, how are you? remember the problem with my video cars x server and the dell optiplex. |
| 06:54.32 | ultravio1et16 | ke6isf: I'm sure we all have something to learn, but I mean the first couple of months on it you feel like your in the dark completely |
| 06:54.32 | jair | beardy, I got it solved the same day in the naight |
| 06:54.34 | jair | night |
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| 06:54.37 | beardy | sal: That channel works similar as this one probably yes. |
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| 06:55.12 | ke6isf | ultravio1et16: It's the same with any operating system, in my opinion. |
| 06:55.13 | Shucknet | I have an e-mail server that I run - is there an easy way to send a message to all users on the system? (assuming I'm logged in as root) |
| 06:55.31 | beardy | jair: Hmm, sorry, not really. A lot of people in between I guess.. |
| 06:55.43 | lf | wall |
| 06:55.52 | ke6isf | lf: That only works if they're logged in. |
| 06:55.56 | beardy | jair: Ok, that's good. |
| 06:56.01 | sanxiyn | Shucknet: Get list of all users. Mail them. |
| 06:56.05 | liable | garden. |
| 06:56.09 | Shucknet | sanxiyn =) |
| 06:56.09 | bob2 | Shucknet: not without parsing /etc/passwd |
| 06:56.19 | beardy | jair: When was it? |
| 06:56.27 | Shucknet | well, I'm fortunate that I only have about 25 users |
| 06:56.32 | ke6isf | Shucknet: ls /home, build your list. Mail that list. |
| 06:56.45 | Shucknet | that makes sense |
| 06:56.47 | Shucknet | thx |
| 06:56.51 | kevix | deeptaz, this is a good example http://users.tkk.fi/~jvroutak/r50/ |
| 06:57.08 | Shucknet | don't know why I didn't come up with that - I've been all over the home dir this week (migrating to a new server) |
| 06:57.13 | stjepan | "This APT has Super Cow Powers" :D :D :D :D LOL |
| 06:57.28 | thr | stjepan: 'kinda old ;p |
| 06:57.32 | ke6isf | Somebody encountered the cow. |
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| 06:58.11 | kevix | Shucknet, 'man wall' |
| 06:58.44 | ke6isf | kevix: AGain, that only works for those logged in at the time of the wall. |
| 06:58.47 | sanxiyn | "Writing on the wall". |
| 06:58.51 | Shucknet | heh |
| 06:59.00 | Shucknet | and only for the few people who are using ssh instead of webmail |
| 06:59.18 | stjepan | "" Also, some have alluded that the reference to "super cow powers" means APT is able to import packages from newer releases of Debian (such as testing << unstable). "" wow |
| 06:59.34 | kevix | ke6isf, ok. so he wants to send a message to folks who may be logged off? |
| 06:59.37 | sanxiyn | Shucknet: Well, Babylon fell that way... |
| 06:59.49 | ke6isf | kevix: yeah, he does. Something about a server migration. |
| 06:59.50 | Shucknet | =) |
| 06:59.54 | jair | beardy, Friday nighr |
| 06:59.55 | jair | night |
| 06:59.56 | bob2 | stjepan: that would be people being confused |
| 07:00.23 | jair | beardy, the solution for it was to install a patch developed for the video cards that the dells machines have |
| 07:00.27 | Shucknet | ke6isf: yes, I just migrated to a new e-mail server and I need to let all of my users know about a few changes |
| 07:00.45 | ke6isf | Shucknet: Like I said, just build your list from /home. |
| 07:00.49 | Shucknet | but I think I'm just going to "brute force" it and ls the home dir |
| 07:00.50 | kevix | Shucknet, you want to send a message to folks who are not logged in or who are not using a console? who are on vacation? |
| 07:00.50 | Shucknet | yeah |
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| 07:00.58 | Shucknet | was just clarifying |
| 07:01.15 | sal | good night everyone |
| 07:01.17 | beardy | jair: Ok |
| 07:01.20 | sal | thanx liable |
| 07:01.22 | lf | Sucknet, something like: cat /etc/passwd | awk 'BEGIN{FS=":"} {print "mail " $1 " < message ;"}' | bash |
| 07:01.30 | sal | i'll be back later for more help |
| 07:01.30 | stjepan | is there official "documentation" of apt-get moo? :D |
| 07:01.40 | sanxiyn | Hm, many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. |
| 07:02.05 | sanxiyn | stjepan: No. |
| 07:02.15 | kevix | Shucknet, I think you are not see the forest for the trees. Are all these folks in the same building(post a message on a wall, talk to a supervisor). |
| 07:02.17 | stjepan | :( |
| 07:02.18 | liable | sal: last link for you.. http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board?board.id=sw_linux |
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| 07:02.29 | Shucknet | kevix: they are all over the country |
| 07:02.45 | Shucknet | kevix: just friends who I give shell/e-mail accounts on my server |
| 07:02.45 | lf | (sorry) Shucknet he. |
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| 07:03.50 | kevix | Shucknet, how serious are these changes? is this just some downtime, added features or is could there be data loss involved? |
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| 07:04.15 | xophEr | What does the acpi THRM sensor tell me? the cpu temperature? |
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| 07:04.28 | Shucknet | kevix: should mostly just be visual and operational changes - I am pretty sure data is at 100% and the downtime already happened =) |
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| 07:05.03 | beardy | xophEr: THRM probably means thermometer, perhaps another sensor, somewhere on the motherboard? |
| 07:05.04 | stjepan | apt-build moo HAHAHA LOL :D |
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| 07:05.29 | kevix | Shucknet, so if folks dont get the message (as it sounds like will happen) no one will have a big problem. |
| 07:05.52 | beardy | xophEr: If any logic, the cpu sensor would be named something with "CPU". |
| 07:05.58 | Shucknet | kevix: right |
| 07:06.14 | Caelum | what's a good application font to use for gnome? |
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| 07:06.36 | liable | TMH0 on my box |
| 07:06.39 | sanxiyn | Caelum: Bitstream Vera works. |
| 07:06.49 | Caelum | sanxiyn: sans or serif? |
| 07:06.52 | xophEr | beardy, ok thanks |
| 07:06.55 | sanxiyn | Caelum: I use Sans. |
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| 07:07.11 | Caelum | sanxiyn: trying that right now, thanks |
| 07:07.21 | beardy | xophEr: Note, only guesses though. |
| 07:07.21 | kevix | Shucknet, it sounds like udp data , not tcp data. are these 'real' users (who will have a 'home' as listed in /etc/passwd) or those wacky 'virtual' ones listed in some email config file or a database. |
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| 07:07.47 | Caelum | sanxiyn: btsm I always used for rxvt, looks gorgeous. Even put it on windows boxes to use with putty :) |
| 07:07.56 | Shucknet | real |
| 07:08.11 | kevix | Caelum, and if you plan to use any other language than english, setup a utf-8 locale. |
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| 07:09.02 | Caelum | will do |
| 07:09.15 | marc7 | if I was booting from a debian installation CD, is there any way I can pass a "root=/dev/sda4" flag to the boot options? |
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| 07:09.32 | marc7 | I'm pretty sure I'm not far off |
| 07:09.39 | Caelum | marc7: there's a rescue option |
| 07:09.49 | marc7 | just type in "rescue" at the prompt? |
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| 07:10.09 | beardy | marc7: Yes. Check the help screens, F1 - F? |
| 07:10.27 | marc7 | thanks, checking it out now |
| 07:10.58 | kevix | Sucknet, so you parse /etc/password and email $USER@$YOURDOMAIN.com and assume most will read it. you can also put up a notice on say a 'home web page' like http://www.mydomain.com/ and say that if you have question about the recent email changes check here or email the admin. |
| 07:12.17 | kevix | Shucknet, so you parse /etc/password and email $USER@$YOURDOMAIN.com and assume most will read it. you can also put up a notice on say a 'home web page' like http://www.mydomain.com/ and say that if you have question about the recent email changes check here or email the admin. |
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| 07:12.30 | Shucknet | kevix: already done |
| 07:12.47 | Shucknet | kevix: did the webpage first, just finished sending the e-mail |
| 07:13.11 | terrencevak | What exactly does the I: mean before the items in the list of what bootstrap's doing? |
| 07:13.30 | chimaera | with hotplug megered to udev, where do i put my hotplug-scripts (well, script, i have one for my wifi-stick)? |
| 07:14.01 | chimaera | s/megered/merged/ |
| 07:14.12 | kevix | terrencevak, my guess is 'informational message' as opposed to 'w:' like warning. |
| 07:14.58 | marc7 | looked like it was working, but on a `rescue root=/dev/sda4` i get the error message: warning, unable to open an initial console |
| 07:15.32 | beardy | terrencevak: Can you give an example of an item in the list? Perhaps it means "Installing"? |
| 07:16.52 | terrencevak | Sure. Something like: "I: retrieving ..." |
| 07:16.56 | ultravio1et16 | goodnight everyone |
| 07:17.37 | kevix | terrancevak, http://www.inittab.de/manuals/debootstrap.html (lists I: Base system installed successfully.) |
| 07:17.59 | streuner | !congratulate kevix |
| 07:18.00 | dpkg | Woohoo kevix, you did it! |
| 07:18.17 | bob2 | woo |
| 07:18.48 | kevix | streuner, ok. so where is my 1,0000,000 euros! |
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| 07:19.01 | beardy | !prize kevix |
| 07:19.10 | beardy | not there anyway.. |
| 07:19.11 | beardy | :) |
| 07:19.16 | streuner | kevix: vice versa, you have to pay ;-) |
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| 07:20.19 | terrencevak | OK, all, while this thing put-puts away and finishes retrieving everything, I'm gonna hit the slack and continue this in the morning when it's finally done. |
| 07:20.32 | terrencevak | er hit the sack. |
| 07:20.53 | kevix | terrencevak, need...more...caffine! |
| 07:21.26 | terrencevak | Nope, doesn't work this time...I gotta be awake in the morning for choir. |
| 07:21.53 | terrencevak | Besides, I can't afford to get anything caffeinated anyway. |
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| 07:22.33 | kevix | terrencevak, you can't get a decent cup of tea? |
| 07:22.48 | streuner | he said caffeine |
| 07:23.00 | swappa | i need to change my /boot/grub/menu.lst and i don't know how, pls help me |
| 07:23.36 | kevix | streuner, tea has more caffine than coffee? |
| 07:24.22 | kevix | swappa, most folks use vi or emacs? can you use either of these? |
| 07:24.55 | sanxiyn | dpkg: start an editor war |
| 07:24.55 | dpkg | nano users are clueballs |
| 07:25.01 | pingouin | what i'm supose/can do with an .ape file ? |
| 07:25.02 | sanxiyn | Good. |
| 07:25.49 | kevix | pingouin, it is a music file. there appears to be a linux player for it. google would help. |
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| 07:26.46 | pingouin | ok thanks kevix |
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| 07:27.40 | swappa | kevix, I'm in txt mode -i don't even know?!? um, someone on a forum said to write configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst, but that didn't work |
| 07:28.02 | quetK | hey, where i cand download make-kpkg?? |
| 07:28.31 | bob2 | quetK: in the kernel-package package |
| 07:29.09 | kevix | swappa, what praytell do you want to do with your grub file? |
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| 07:29.30 | quetK | bob2, how i cant install it? |
| 07:29.37 | sanxiyn | pingouin: Apparently, http://sourceforge.net/projects/mac-port is the place to visit. |
| 07:29.46 | swappa | change the delay time and the default OS |
| 07:30.01 | sanxiyn | .ape is Monkey's Audio Codec (MAC). |
| 07:30.04 | bob2 | quetK: I don't understad you, sorry |
| 07:30.48 | kevix | swappa, you may want to install 'grubconf' because its a graphical (gnome) grub editor. |
| 07:30.49 | quetK | bob2, i wanna use make-kpkg command, but i havent it, so where i cand download it to install it |
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| 07:31.30 | liable | swappa: type this in a console 'vim tutorial' (you need vim first, so install it if you dont have it) |
| 07:31.35 | bob2 | 17:28:30 bob2 | quetK: in the kernel-package package |
| 07:31.41 | kevix | quetK, do you know what 'apt-get' means? |
| 07:31.47 | quetK | yes |
| 07:32.33 | quetK | apt-get install make-kpkg = E: Couldn't find package make-kpkg |
| 07:32.46 | liable | swappa: then once you learn, vim /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 07:32.52 | kevix | quetK, if you want to install say 'grubconf', you type (on the console as root) 'apt-get install grubconf'. |
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| 07:33.19 | swappa | but i've got no console -just text-mode yaknow? |
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| 07:33.34 | lpz | how could it be that when I use konqueror as a web browser, I can't get decent looking view of the pages? Even if I change the fonts it only affects .html files. What could be the problem? |
| 07:33.35 | liable | that *is* console.. |
| 07:34.03 | kevix | quetK, the 'package' is called 'kernel-package'. this 'package' contains 'make-kpkg'. you install the 'package'. |
| 07:34.19 | swappa | "oh" |
| 07:34.22 | swappa | ...crap |
| 07:34.34 | lpz | when I change the fonts, I expect the web page to be reloaded with the fonts, but it always looks the same no matter which font I use! |
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| 07:34.53 | swappa | thanx, and i'll get right on it |
| 07:35.01 | quetK | thanks |
| 07:35.17 | kevix | lpz, 'where' are you chaning the font? |
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| 07:35.47 | kevix | lpq, s/chaning/changing/ |
| 07:36.28 | lpz | kevix, in konqueror: Settings->Configure Konqueror->Fonts->Fonts |
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| 07:37.07 | kevix | swappa, EVERY unix/linux/bsd system has vi installed. this is a required skill. vi is your friend. learn the basics of vi. |
| 07:37.50 | kevix | lpq, you may need to quit Konq and then restart it for the change to take affect. |
| 07:38.21 | quetK | i already installed grubconf, but make-kpkg wasn't installed, can help me? |
| 07:38.39 | cahoot | kevix: I wouldn't confuse vi with a *friend* - rather a (initially) cumbersome tool |
| 07:38.50 | swappa | okey dokey |
| 07:38.52 | sanxiyn | vi is an enemy. |
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| 07:39.03 | swappa | peace |
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| 07:39.38 | kevix | cahoot, so you just installed a basic os. what tools will you have a) vi b) emacs c) nano d) gedit .... |
| 07:40.05 | bob2 | quetK: as I said, you want apt-get install kernel-package |
| 07:40.08 | lpz | kevix, no, it's not about quitting konqueror, the fonts do change but only in .html files, but not in other web sites. |
| 07:40.17 | quetK | ok |
| 07:40.21 | quetK | i got it |
| 07:40.32 | quetK | sorry, but im in english class basic one :s |
| 07:40.36 | sanxiyn | lpz: Some web sites hardcode font name. |
| 07:40.39 | quetK | i dont understand very well |
| 07:40.50 | sanxiyn | (Instead of, say, generic CSS family name.) |
| 07:41.44 | kevix | quetK, what do you need: to change grub or your kernel ? |
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| 07:42.30 | SimonRaven | @kernel |
| 07:42.34 | quetK | my kernel |
| 07:42.52 | quetK | i have 2.4, i want to use, 2.6 |
| 07:43.00 | SimonRaven | @kernel |
| 07:43.10 | kevix | lpz, so it would seem that the font changes took effect in html pages that allow it. but some html pages dont allow it! |
| 07:43.31 | SimonRaven | bah |
| 07:43.49 | kevix | quetK, did you use 'apt-get' to install a 2.6 kernel? |
| 07:44.27 | liable | you know the little icon that shows in a url bar of a browser? where do i put that for apache? |
| 07:44.41 | quetK | you know kevin, i wanna learn, and if i use apt-get install kernel, i dont know what is kernel-packages |
| 07:44.53 | SimonRaven | FYI, for those curious: Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.13.3, prepatch: 2.6.14-rc3, snapshot: 2.6.14-rc3-git7, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-rc1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.14-rc2-mm2 |
| 07:44.55 | quetK | and other stuffs like that |
| 07:44.56 | cahoot | liable: favicon.ico? |
| 07:45.19 | liable | cahoot: so i just rename whatever picture to that? |
| 07:45.21 | SimonRaven | liable: favicon. windozism. found in /favicon.ico. can be a .png ;) |
| 07:45.38 | cahoot | liable: mind the sizethough |
| 07:46.04 | liable | ok, so make that dir in apache root, and put the icon in there? |
| 07:46.33 | kevix | quetK, you want 'kernel-image'. do 'apt-cache search kernel-image|grep 2.6' |
| 07:47.12 | quetK | kevin, thanks for you help, |
| 07:47.41 | quetK | but, well, i thinks i know how to compile and package kernel now jejeje |
| 07:47.45 | lpz | kevix, I'm aware that some of the websites don't allow it, but that doesn't mean that I can't enter most of the websites I use because the fonts SUCKS! do you think it's logical not to be able to surf the web because the fonts are bad??? |
| 07:47.48 | kevix | liable, I belive you can put favicon.ico in any directory. |
| 07:48.32 | SimonRaven | browsers usually look for it in / |
| 07:48.50 | kevix | quetK, ok. good luck. and remember to run grub command to re-install boot sector! |
| 07:49.11 | SimonRaven | though the other day i saw a request for the favicon for some other dir. rather strange |
| 07:49.24 | SimonRaven | s/for$/under/ |
| 07:49.35 | quetK | kevin, perfectly, only one question more, how shit i remove gdm start by default? |
| 07:49.40 | lpz | and how could it be that it's so hard to set the fonts in Linux?! it's too weird! it's the most basic thing one needs! |
| 07:49.40 | kevix | lpz, some times I use a text browser, so I dont notice the bad fonts! |
| 07:50.11 | lpz | kevix, but all the websites I go to have bad fonts! |
| 07:50.28 | lpz | kevix, I would have to use lynx for the rest of my life! |
| 07:50.47 | kevix | quetK, do you want another display manager or do you want to remove the display manager? |
| 07:51.22 | quetK | i have gnome and kde, but gdm default y gnome, so i cant start with console, not graphic mode |
| 07:51.34 | liable | where does firefox store these little icons, i want a tux one, there there somewhere, cause my bookmarks have em. |
| 07:51.51 | quetK | i wanna start with consel by default |
| 07:51.59 | quetK | sorry for my english |
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| 07:52.02 | SimonRaven | so remove the dm |
| 07:52.14 | kevix | lpz, any site worth its salt should be text accessible (according to the w3c). |
| 07:52.55 | kevix | quetK, you can 'apt-get remove gdm' to remove gdm. |
| 07:53.56 | quetK | kevin, but that remove gnome and kde?? i wanna have both, but i also wanna start by default with console, not graphic mode |
| 07:54.20 | kevix | lpz, during my recent stroll through the debian-user mailing list, I emailed a blind debian users. He may be using lynx all his life?! |
| 07:55.07 | cahoot | liable: wouldn't that be a cached/or refetched page? |
| 07:55.21 | lpz | kevix, why would I want to use lynx? it's the year 2005 |
| 07:55.25 | quetK | kevin, i can do something like this.... sudo update-rc.d gdm remove?? |
| 07:55.39 | liable | cahoot: cant see it in any cache, still poking around.. |
| 07:57.52 | kevix | quetK, it seems you know a bit more that I thought. that will work. you may also want to try 'rcconf'. 'apt-get install rcconf' |
| 07:57.59 | AzMoo | lpz, because it's really fast. |
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| 07:59.21 | darkness | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.21 | darkness | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.38 | quetK | kevin, ok, thank u very much for ur help |
| 07:59.39 | darkness | Any ideas how to rectify this on my site metawire.net? |
| 07:59.49 | quetK | i go to bed |
| 07:59.53 | quetK | see u |
| 07:59.54 | quetK | bytes |
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| 08:00.34 | kevix | quetK, cheers |
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| 08:03.56 | askance | can someone help me with ssh on a home network: I'm able to ssh to an ip address (eg 192.168.0.32), but when I try to ssh to another computer's hostname, it just doesn't work |
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| 08:07.22 | SimonRaven | helps to have that hostname in /etc/hosts or local DNS... |
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| 08:07.57 | liable | SimonRaven: too late, i was just gonna answer that too :) impatient.. |
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| 08:08.18 | SimonRaven | meh |
| 08:08.42 | SimonRaven | askance: helps to have that hostname in /etc/hosts or local DNS... |
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| 08:10.23 | kevix | askance, could you elaborate on 'it just doesn't work'! |
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| 08:11.53 | askance | all: when I ssh to the ip address, it connects correctly ; when is try ssh xt963, where xt963 is the hostname of the other computer, i get ssh: xt963: Name or service not known |
| 08:12.36 | liable | hosts file.. |
| 08:12.44 | bob2 | and what does "host x963" say? |
| 08:12.53 | askance | host xt963 |
| 08:13.26 | askance | bob2: it says Host xt963 not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 08:13.38 | kevix | askance, does using the IP address work? if so, its related to host name resolutioon( hosts file, dns) |
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| 08:13.57 | bob2 | askance: there you go then |
| 08:14.02 | askance | kevix: yes, ssh IP address does work |
| 08:14.15 | bob2 | askance: fix your dns config |
| 08:14.19 | bob2 | or add it to /etc/hosts |
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| 08:14.35 | askance | add "what" to /etc/hosts? |
| 08:14.44 | SimonRaven | the hostname... |
| 08:14.49 | kevix | askance, so what file did you edit that you think refers to 'xt963' ? |
| 08:15.33 | askance | kevix: xt963 is the hostname of the other computer ; when I type hostname on the "server", it says xt963 |
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| 08:16.06 | askance | kevix: i haven't edited any file on either computer yet |
| 08:16.12 | kevix | askance, what is the FQDN of xt963 ? |
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| 08:16.26 | askance | localhost.localdomain |
| 08:16.41 | bob2 | askance: if you want other machines to know about hostnames, you need to tel lthem |
| 08:16.54 | bob2 | either by adding things manually to /etc/hosts everywhere, setting up a DNS server, or setting up mDNS |
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| 08:17.25 | askance | aye, caramba, I do feel in over my head, but I'm trying ... just can't seem to google nor man the info, so I'm here |
| 08:17.42 | kevix | askance, for something to be 'known' on the internet, it requires a bit more. but to have it known on a local lan, it requires add to your /etc/hosts file |
| 08:17.55 | bob2 | add a line like "1.2.3.4 hotname" to /etc/hosts |
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| 08:18.23 | askance | bob2: ok, so i have a pretty typical home network , with a satellite modem that does the dhcp, and a router configured as a switch with no dhcp |
| 08:18.53 | stjepan | I want to compile FLTK Hello World. But error is that it can't find -lXinerama, but libXinerama IS in /usr/X11R6/lib. I have defined /usr/X11R6/lib as library search path. I do not know why it can't find libXinerama :( |
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| 08:19.09 | kevix | askance, adding something to /etc/hosts makes it 'know' to your computer as a sort of alias. but it does not let the rest of the world (or other computers on the lan) know about it. |
| 08:19.10 | askance | the ip addresses of the two linux computers change from day to day --- what am I going to add to etc/hosts ? |
| 08:19.58 | SimonRaven | askance: this is why you assign IPs to your LAN hosts |
| 08:20.05 | bob2 | stjepan: is libXinerama.so? |
| 08:20.40 | askance | for example, on my laptop, my hosts file has "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost thinkpadi1300" for the first line |
| 08:20.57 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 08:21.05 | stjepan | bob2: yes |
| 08:21.06 | askance | on my desktop, my hosts file has "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost xt963" for the first line |
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| 08:22.55 | darkness | Can you get scheme on debian? |
| 08:23.00 | liable | askance: set static ip's |
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| 08:23.41 | nvz | darkness: yes |
| 08:23.44 | bob2 | darkness: there's about 67 000 scheme implementations on Debian |
| 08:23.47 | kevix | stjepan, are you aware that when compiling programs, you usually need *-dev packages, this may be the error. |
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| 08:24.50 | nvz | bob2: I think thats a slight exaggeration I count more than 10 though |
| 08:25.16 | stjepan | kevix: what packages? I installed all Xinerama packages |
| 08:25.31 | kevix | darkness, apt-cache search scheme |
| 08:25.45 | askance | liable: i would do that in the hosts file? I can't change my satellite modem from using dhcp |
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| 08:26.32 | askance | if i really need to, I can just use the ip address, but it seems like linux should allow some way of using the hostname under my current setup |
| 08:27.23 | kevix | stjepan, libxinerama-dev - X Window System multi-head display library development files |
| 08:27.45 | fox-boy | i just installed Sarge on my ibm A21m laptop and went to startx and got -bash: startx: command not found. Can someone help? How do I fix? |
| 08:28.17 | kevix | askance, you could have the other host email the host ip when it boots up. |
| 08:28.23 | Guerin | fox-boy: install x-window-system-core |
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| 08:28.41 | askance | here's a somewhat different question, but related to my issues of ssh: how would I best back up / mirror my laptop hard drive onto the other linux so that I could do a complete "bare metal" restore |
| 08:28.55 | kevix | fox-boy, when you install debian, it does not install x, gnome, kde unless you tell it. so you have only console. |
| 08:28.58 | fox-boy | Guerin: thanks. I can use apt-get, right? |
| 08:29.05 | blaamann | askance: rsync ? |
| 08:29.17 | stjepan | kevix: I'll reinstall libxinerama-deb |
| 08:29.18 | Guerin | fox-boy: apt-get or aptitude |
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| 08:29.46 | fox-boy | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:29.50 | fox-boy | kevix: thanks |
| 08:29.55 | nvz | or even tasksel |
| 08:30.07 | nvz | which will install everything including the kitchensync |
| 08:30.18 | Fusionfox | i did apt-get install kde, but i still do not get a desktop what can i do to get a desktop? |
| 08:30.39 | askance | blaamann: will look into rsync |
| 08:30.46 | stjepan | kevix: I reinstalled and it doesn't work :((((( |
| 08:31.12 | blaamann | askance: Maybe not what you are looking for after a second thought |
| 08:31.20 | kevix | stjepan, if you need /usr/X11R6/lib/libXinerama.a , it is in libxinerame-dev |
| 08:32.26 | askance | blaamann: i looked at a couple of packages today that "frontend" to the rsync protocol -- backuppc was one of them |
| 08:32.29 | stjepan | kevix: certainly, but I have got that file |
| 08:32.48 | blaamann | askance: Ok, check it out |
| 08:32.57 | kevix | Fusionfox, did you install x-window-system-core ? |
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| 08:33.16 | Fusionfox | kevix: eehh nope.... |
| 08:33.37 | stjepan | Fusionfox: then install it :))) |
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| 08:33.41 | kevix | stjepan, are you getting the same error? |
| 08:33.49 | liable | askance: you cant stop your router from giving dhcp leases? |
| 08:33.54 | stjepan | kevix: yes |
| 08:34.20 | Fusionfox | kevix: another question i was downloading the KDE and my comp shutted down and i didnt notice, how do i know if all files where succesfully downloaded or there is an error on files? |
| 08:34.27 | lord_rob | Hi ! Has network configuration changed recently in sid ? I keep getting a message "/etc/network/options is deprecated" and ifplugd doesn't seem to work anymore ... |
| 08:34.52 | nvz | Fusionfox: do it again, if nothing happens its installed, if it fetches more packages, its not |
| 08:35.01 | schippes | is it normal to have libdb1-compat, libdb2, libdb3, libdb4.1, libdb4.2, libdb4.3 all installed and with LOT of packages dependong on one or other of these versions of the berkeley db library ??? (in Sarge/stable ) |
| 08:35.03 | bob2 | I don't thin kthat file has been in use as long as I've used Debian |
| 08:35.05 | SimonRaven | lord_rob: yes. apt-get install apt-listchanges apt-listbugs . -listchanges would've told you what was going on |
| 08:35.09 | Fusionfox | nvz: okey it installed normally thx =) |
| 08:35.15 | Fusionfox | back to debian =D |
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| 08:36.25 | askance | liable: my router doesn't give out dhcp leases; my satellite modem gives out the leases; the router has dhcp "unenabled", but I can't do the same with the sat modem |
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| 08:37.01 | askance | liable: starband really blows, but it's the only broadband avail to me :( |
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| 08:37.19 | nvz | askance: its likely your ISP that runs the dhcp server, if your "modem" gives them out, its more than just a modem. |
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| 08:37.46 | kevix | stjepan, I could take a look if you want to go to #paste . |
| 08:38.11 | SimonRaven | @paster |
| 08:38.12 | ravenbird | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 08:38.15 | SimonRaven | @paste |
| 08:38.16 | ravenbird | paste.length >= 3 ? `/join #flood' : `/say paste.msg', or paste your output at http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 08:38.29 | stjepan | kevix: Ok |
| 08:38.42 | kevix | stjepan, opps, I meant #flood ! |
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| 08:40.31 | liable | askance: ok, doesnt make sense to me though. |
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| 08:41.56 | lord_rob | thanks for the apt-listchanges tip SimonRaven. I have installed it (already had listbugs). Anyway it's too late now. What package changelog should I check to see what to fix for my network config ? |
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| 08:43.50 | SimonRaven | lord_rob: netbase; the stuff just moved to sysctl.conf |
| 08:44.13 | lord_rob | thanks SimonRaven |
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| 08:45.13 | michaelw | hmm, can somebody tell me the magic incantation to substitute some AA font for Palatino (X11, not xorg)? |
| 08:47.03 | Guerin | michaelw: xorg is x11 |
| 08:47.12 | Guerin | michaelw: and in which apps do you need this magic font? |
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| 08:47.59 | michaelw | Guerin: opera, but i guess I want Palatino replaced everywhere |
| 08:48.27 | toad_ | how do i generate an ssl certificate for ipopd which won't cause errors in thunderbird? |
| 08:48.48 | Guerin | michaelw: no idea how to configure anything in opera. What are some other apps in which this 'palatino' appears, and why did you set it thus if you didn't want it? |
| 08:48.51 | toad_ | the auto-generated ones have host localhost.localdomain |
| 08:49.08 | toad_ | which is wrong, and causes a dialog to be produced every few minutes by thunderbird |
| 08:49.31 | Guerin | toad_: you don't - you buy one from a company whose CA cert is distributed with mozilla thunderbird. |
| 08:49.50 | michaelw | Guerin: webpages set it. i wish they would leave font settings alone and just request serif or sans-serif, but oh well. |
| 08:49.51 | toad_ | or alternatively if htere is some way to make ipopd work in plaintext, that would be nice... |
| 08:50.04 | michaelw | Guerin: feel my pain: http://foldr.org/~michaelw/tmp/palatino.png |
| 08:50.08 | toad_ | Guerin well i remember hacking it up somehow but it was a long time ago |
| 08:50.16 | toad_ | probably i added a CA to tbird |
| 08:50.38 | Guerin | michaelw: oh, i see. I wish that, too. But you can force the font to display how you like, at least in sanne browsers. No idea about opera. |
| 08:51.02 | toad_ | well is there any way to make ipopd work in plaintext? |
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| 08:51.21 | toad_ | it doesn't seem to have a config file |
| 08:51.21 | Guerin | toad_: yeah. ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org |
| 08:51.45 | Guerin | or figure out where it looks for its ca certs - I guess in /usr/share someplace |
| 08:51.51 | toad_ | Guerin: I'll cross that bridge when I come to it |
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| 08:52.08 | toad_ | right now I need to generate a cert which says amphibian.dyndns.org instead of localhost.localdomain |
| 08:52.09 | Guerin | michaelw: that sure is fugly |
| 08:52.18 | sem_hustler | oooooooooooooooo |
| 08:52.31 | toad_ | or find a way to make ipopd support non-ssl connections |
| 08:53.04 | Guerin | toad_: man openssl |
| 08:53.18 | toad_ | Guerin: i know :( |
| 08:53.31 | toad_ | i'm probably going to have to spend all day reading to learn enough to make it work |
| 08:53.35 | Guerin | toad_: how do I breathe? |
| 08:53.40 | toad_ | and yes i have been reading the man pages |
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| 08:53.58 | michaelw | toad_: there are howtos which tell you all the necessary steps in 5mins |
| 08:54.31 | Guerin | toad_: the process is the same as for making any ssl key - google apache openssl cert and you should get some hits |
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| 08:54.46 | michaelw | toad_: this one, for example: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/SSL-Certificates-HOWTO.html |
| 08:54.46 | Guerin | myrddin.org has one, but I can't remember the full link |
| 08:55.40 | toad_ | michaelw thanks |
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| 08:56.09 | toad_ | Dear reader, like myself, you have intensively read the man pages of the applications of the OpenSSL project, and like myself, you couldn't figure out where to start, and how to work securely with certificates. Here is the answer to most of your questions. |
| 08:56.12 | toad_ | hehe |
| 08:56.19 | toad_ | sorry |
| 08:56.21 | Guerin | hah |
| 08:56.33 | Guerin | !be a crypto barbie |
| 08:56.35 | dpkg | Aww, crypto is hard! Let's go shopping, guerin |
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| 08:57.01 | kevix | stjepan, any reason that fltk 1.1 would not work with your program? |
| 08:57.21 | Danny_Lion | hiya folks |
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| 09:00.21 | wathek | !tell wathek about pkg-config |
| 09:00.52 | wathek | !pkg_config |
| 09:01.40 | wathek | !pkg-config |
| 09:01.40 | dpkg | somebody said pkg-config was annoying! |
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| 09:02.46 | Xptical | hi all. I just got a new install and I'm looking for some HOWTOs for setting up a LAMP server. |
| 09:03.04 | wathek | !libgnomeui |
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| 09:03.32 | wathek | !libgnomeui-2.0 |
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| 09:03.56 | wathek | !libgnomeui |
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| 09:04.13 | kevix | stjepan, so what fixed it? |
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| 09:07.01 | wathek | where can I find libgnomeui ? |
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| 09:07.40 | Xptical | so, can someone help me set up a LAMP server? |
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| 09:08.38 | Aim_Here | Xptical, install linux. Install apache. Install mysql. Install the scripting language beginning with 'p' of your choice. |
| 09:08.39 | liable | !tell wathek about search |
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| 09:09.03 | Xptical | Aim_Here, yeppers, I know all the basics |
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| 09:09.19 | Xptical | but I'm looking for something with some details |
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| 09:09.42 | kevix | Xptical, could you specify what 'details'? |
| 09:09.44 | phretor | hi there |
| 09:10.02 | Aim_Here | http://www.lamphowto.com |
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| 09:10.10 | Aim_Here | The debian room does your googling for you |
| 09:10.28 | Xptical | wwell, for instance, when I install LAMP, it falls under /var/www. But I want to be able to manage some stuff with a user's FTP account |
| 09:10.33 | phretor | after an apt-get install amule (actually, upgrading aMule) I get this message: "E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option." Any (safe) suggestion? |
| 09:10.40 | Xptical | but that always goes to /home/user/ |
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| 09:11.33 | Xptical | there are a few other things that never seemed quite right |
| 09:11.36 | Aim_Here | Won't apache dig around in the user's public_html account for webpages if you set it up right? |
| 09:11.45 | Xptical | i'm sure it will |
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| 09:11.51 | Xptical | that's the rub |
| 09:11.51 | Aim_Here | So your user's ftp session would start off in nearly the right place |
| 09:11.53 | Xptical | :p |
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| 09:13.25 | phretor | is that safe to activate (and how do I activate it) that option? |
| 09:13.47 | Xptical | i'm reading up on public_html now |
| 09:13.50 | Xptical | thanks |
| 09:13.55 | toad_ | if i install ipopd from source, can i get it to not use SSL? |
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| 09:14.22 | wathek | I got an error while compiling an application |
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| 09:14.24 | toad_ | it really isn't necessary over a LAN |
| 09:14.24 | wathek | checking for PACKAGE... configure: error: Package requirements (libgnomeui-2.0) were not met. |
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| 09:14.29 | deadcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.49 | cesc | hi. I just installed debian testing and compiled a new kernel. When adding the image to grub, he asks for an initrd image. I come from lilo and I never had to enter something like that. What should I do? |
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| 09:15.07 | deadcat | cesc: update-grub |
| 09:15.09 | toad_ | it's going to take at least a day to do it with SSL, and I really don't need it... |
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| 09:15.11 | SNow | hi, i get this message shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
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| 09:15.16 | SNow | what should I do ? |
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| 09:15.25 | deadcat | toad_: ./configure --help |
| 09:15.35 | deadcat | SNow: cd |
| 09:15.54 | SNow | interesting |
| 09:16.00 | andre80 | what's debian key feature ? |
| 09:16.09 | chimaera | since the last udev-upgrade, sbp2 isn't loaded utomagically when my IEEE1394 storage device is detected. any ideas? |
| 09:16.09 | SNow | deadcat join flood |
| 09:16.15 | deadcat | SNow: what for |
| 09:16.20 | SNow | i get an error |
| 09:16.21 | SNow | message |
| 09:16.24 | SNow | another one. |
| 09:16.27 | SNow | from the same thing |
| 09:16.31 | SNow | apt-get install |
| 09:16.35 | SNow | don't wanna paste here |
| 09:16.36 | deadcat | SNow: cd somewhere else. |
| 09:16.36 | cesc | deadcat, I'm using nautilus. Clicking in Desktop-->Administration-> Boot won't show up the new image yet. Or should I add it there and then run update-grub? |
| 09:16.40 | toad_ | deadcat there is no ./configure |
| 09:16.46 | SNow | deadcat neah it's about another thing |
| 09:16.49 | SNow | Configuration syntax error detected. Not reloading. |
| 09:16.51 | deadcat | cesc: no clue. i dont use nautilus |
| 09:16.55 | toad_ | "please refer to the docs/BUILD file"... |
| 09:16.58 | deadcat | toad_: you bullshiting |
| 09:17.01 | SNow | apache: could not open document config file /etc/apache/conf.d/gallery |
| 09:17.01 | SNow | invoke-rc.d: initscript apache, action "restart" failed. |
| 09:17.11 | toad_ | deadcat no, apt-get source ipopd |
| 09:17.16 | toad_ | there is no configure file |
| 09:17.18 | cesc | deadcat, well, I did run update-grup but it made no mention to the new kernel image =/ |
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| 09:17.31 | deadcat | toad_: ya. cd ipopd the ./configure |
| 09:17.57 | deadcat | cesc: did you build it with make-kpkg or make bzimage? |
| 09:17.58 | toad_ | deadcat there is no configure |
| 09:18.06 | toad_ | there is no configure.am or configure.in either |
| 09:18.09 | deadcat | toad_: weird. |
| 09:18.14 | SNow | no ideas deadcat ? |
| 09:18.14 | toad_ | yep |
| 09:18.22 | deadcat | SNow: i didnt check. |
| 09:18.53 | cesc | deadcat, in the 2.6.x series, doing "make" builds the bzImage. |
| 09:19.05 | toad_ | i wonder if "it's impossible to use the package without pissing off users with endless annoying errors, without buying a cert for real money, or spending at least a day figuring out how to generate a certificate with the right hostname" qualifies as a serious bug... |
| 09:19.10 | cesc | deadcat, I downloaded the kernel source from kernel.org and compiled it "manually" |
| 09:19.20 | deadcat | cesc: if you use make. you on your own. we prefer using make-kpkg since that builds a .deb file. |
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| 09:19.36 | deadcat | cesc: you still can use make-kpkg, thats what i do |
| 09:19.53 | cesc | deadcat, so being in /usr/src/linux just giving make-kpkg should do the job? |
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| 09:20.26 | deadcat | cesc: sure. but usually make-kpkg --append-to-version $DATE kernel_image would do the trick |
| 09:20.30 | Fusionfox | ive installed KDE and X-window-system-core, and i still dont got a desktop, what can i do to get a desktop? |
| 09:20.49 | deadcat | Fusionfox: startx |
| 09:21.01 | Guerin | startx /usr/bin/startkde |
| 09:21.22 | Fusionfox | is that a program or it is literally? |
| 09:21.27 | cesc | deadcat, make-kpgk wasn't found :S |
| 09:21.31 | toad_ | for example... why does a certificate need a passphrase? obviously if it's going to be used in an automated manner, it doesn't, yet there is no obvious way to tell it not to have one, in the man page or the howto |
| 09:21.40 | mwilson | Installing x-window-system would probably be a good idea, since with just x-window-system-core, he doesn't have an X server, I think. |
| 09:21.43 | deadcat | cesc: kernel-package |
| 09:21.51 | kevix | Fusionfox, what is the output of 'ls -l /usr/bin/startkde' |
| 09:22.08 | Fusionfox | Kevix, do not know =S |
| 09:22.08 | xophEr | Fusionfox, install ubuntu-desktop |
| 09:22.13 | deadcat | mwilson: i think it does, just no xdm, xterm, xnet and other packages. |
| 09:22.22 | michaelw | toad_: -nodes |
| 09:22.28 | cesc | deadcat, strange, I can't get it to work. What packages do I actually need? :S |
| 09:22.31 | deadcat | xophEr: are you high? |
| 09:22.39 | kevix | mwilson, it installs X and twm |
| 09:22.41 | Fusionfox | ubuntu desktop? |
| 09:22.45 | toad_ | michaelw sorry? |
| 09:22.46 | xophEr | obviously |
| 09:22.51 | xophEr | shit, Im sorry :) |
| 09:22.52 | deadcat | cesc: kernel-package, build-essential, thats about all i need. |
| 09:22.57 | mwilson | deadcat: Just not very bright. |
| 09:23.08 | toad_ | michaelw that's not in the man page! |
| 09:23.08 | wathek | some one would help me please |
| 09:23.08 | xophEr | too much coffee this time |
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| 09:23.26 | wathek | I got a prob while compiling sources |
| 09:23.31 | michaelw | toad_: does it work? |
| 09:23.34 | wathek | I got this checking for PACKAGE... configure: error: Package requirements (libgnomeui-2.0) were not met. |
| 09:23.34 | cesc | deadcat, ok, thank you. Installing now. I hope I'll be able to use the .config file I've worked in these last hours =) |
| 09:23.34 | deadcat | xophEr: ya. #ubuntu is 3 doors down (= |
| 09:23.44 | toad_ | michaelw yes, why isn't it docced? thank you |
| 09:23.45 | deadcat | cesc: ya |
| 09:23.54 | michaelw | toad_: file a bug |
| 09:23.55 | elfriede | Hello. I can't start XFree86 because /dev/psaux is "no such device", what module must I load to make it work? (I use the Debian 2.6.8-2-k7 testing kernel) |
| 09:24.27 | deadcat | elfriede: mousedev |
| 09:24.57 | elfriede | deadcat: thanks |
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| 09:25.27 | toad_ | well actually no it doesn't work |
| 09:25.33 | toad_ | it generates a cert |
| 09:25.40 | elfriede | You wouldn't happen to know why the XFree86 'savage' drivers complain about BIOS issues for a ProSavage KM133 card? |
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| 09:26.10 | toad_ | somehow ipopd rejects the cert |
| 09:26.56 | toad_ | naturally there's nothing in the log |
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| 09:27.03 | toad_ | but the client just doesn't work |
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| 09:29.07 | cesc | deadcat, ok, make-kpgk is pumping it up =) |
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| 09:29.43 | man_in_shack | oops |
| 09:29.49 | man_in_shack | wrong channel heh |
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| 09:31.50 | phretor_ | I couldn't get out from this problem |
| 09:32.22 | cesc | deadcat, now simply dpkg -i kernel_image_blabla and update-grub should be everything I need to do, right? |
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| 09:33.59 | brosio | he following packages have been kept back: |
| 09:33.59 | brosio | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.59 | brosio | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
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| 09:34.14 | liable | brosio: thats good. |
| 09:34.19 | brosio | anyone could explain me because this package isn't upgrade ? |
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| 09:34.29 | Fusionfox | i think i misconfigured something cause when i put startx, it get multiple errors, how can i amke it go default and start ?startx?? |
| 09:34.59 | liable | brosio: check the bts, look for the first resolved critical bug, read, then bang your head against the table.. :P |
| 09:35.28 | Aim_Here | Gah, I need to manually download and install the kernel source for 2.6.11 or 2.6.12 to match the kernel binary that apt-get dist-upgrade helpfully installed over my last kernel - is there some place I can find them, I've tried my local debian package repository and packages.debian.org but I don't see any source newer than 2.6.8. Where's my source? |
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| 09:35.45 | wathek | some one would tell me how can I solve this prob checking for PACKAGE... configure: error: Package requirements (libgnomeui-2.0) were not met. |
| 09:35.46 | wathek | ? |
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| 09:36.04 | liable | !wayc wathek |
| 09:36.05 | dpkg | wathek: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 09:36.25 | terrencevak | OK, well I guess I don't sleep after all... |
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| 09:36.37 | wathek | liable, coz there is no deb for the application |
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| 09:36.46 | kevix | Fusionfox, what is the first error. |
| 09:37.17 | liable | wathek: so how are we supposed to help? consult the docs for the package your compiling, or google ;) |
| 09:37.23 | Fusionfox | kevix, i cannot read it is way up |
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| 09:37.44 | wathek | liable, I need libgnomeui-2 |
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| 09:37.51 | wathek | but I can't get it with apt-get |
| 09:37.54 | Fusionfox | but some errors are that cannot start the keyboard and mouse |
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| 09:38.09 | Fusionfox | guess i bad configured |
| 09:38.21 | Fusionfox | how can i reconfigure it? |
| 09:38.24 | kevix | Fusionfox, do you have xfree86 or xorg? |
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| 09:38.40 | Fusionfox | xfree86 installed |
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| 09:38.56 | Fusionfox | dont know if i am correct |
| 09:38.58 | kevix | !dpkg reconfigure xfree86 |
| 09:39.11 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 09:39.11 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 09:39.33 | kevix | Guerin, tnkx! |
| 09:39.40 | Fusionfox | how can i well configure it?, how do i know the rights values?? |
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| 09:39.56 | Fusionfox | isnt there a way to autodetect all, or a default thing? |
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| 09:40.16 | kevix | Fusionfox, it has a simple, medium and expert mode. try the simple first. |
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| 09:40.57 | liable | wathek: try libgnomui-dev |
| 09:41.05 | liable | !tell wathek about search |
| 09:41.06 | Fusionfox | kevix: thx, is there another thing that i got to keep i mind before returning to deb system? |
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| 09:41.47 | wathek | liable, ok |
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| 09:42.05 | terrencevak | I've done the chroot install, but when I get to the point where I try to do the dpkg-reconfigure console-data part, it says console-data isn't installed. The result of my command is at www.terrencevak.net/output.txt. |
| 09:42.12 | kevix | Fusionfox, if startx doesnt work, startkde will not either. |
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| 09:42.25 | Fusionfox | XD |
| 09:42.28 | Fusionfox | hehe okey |
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| 09:42.32 | Fusionfox | ill try configure it now |
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| 09:42.43 | Gnea | hey, does anyone have this file on their system, sarge/etch/sid: /usr/sbin/gconf-schemas ? |
| 09:43.09 | wathek | liable, thanx |
| 09:43.29 | liable | Gnea: yes |
| 09:43.34 | liable | wathek: np |
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| 09:46.02 | Gnea | liable: could you dpkg -S is for me please? :) |
| 09:46.09 | Gnea | liable: and tell me the result? :) |
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| 09:47.02 | liable | Gnea: gconf2 |
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| 09:48.38 | liable | Gnea: hrm, apt-file wont find though.. |
| 09:49.17 | douglas | if I have a 1.50 load, does that mean apache needs over a second to respond to a new request? or does that depend on the conf, like if max clients and keepalives was set at one? |
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| 09:50.01 | michel | what's about knoppix |
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| 09:51.03 | liable | poor attempt at a troll.. :) |
| 09:51.10 | kikinovak | Hi. What's the command for showing (in a console) the disk space used by a directory and all its subdirectories? I read through man df and man du, but didn't get a clue |
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| 09:51.22 | elfriede | How can I change the IceWM menu font if MenuFontName seems to be ignored? |
| 09:51.31 | liable | Gnea: my bad, does after an update. |
| 09:51.49 | Guerin | kikinovak: man du explains this most trivial topic |
| 09:52.01 | Guerin | kikinovak: hint: look for 'single' |
| 09:52.12 | kikinovak | Guerin thanks |
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| 09:52.50 | fissa | what's about problems about knoppix 4.02 ( lang=fr) |
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| 09:53.31 | SimonRaven | um |
| 09:53.52 | Fusionfox | i tryed using dpg-reconfigure xfree86, answer Xfree86 is not an installed package or something like that |
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| 09:54.00 | Fusionfox | dpkg* |
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| 09:54.15 | kevix | fissa, if you have knoppix question, join #knoppix |
| 09:54.19 | liable | wtf is that dude on? |
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| 09:55.10 | kevix | Fusionfox, its 'xserver-xfree86' x-) |
| 09:55.14 | pepsi | how can i get my system to read /etc/fstab again so it will mount stuff after i make changes |
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| 09:55.26 | pepsi | id rather not mount everything by hand |
| 09:55.27 | Fusionfox | sigh >_< |
| 09:55.33 | tarzeau | if i install ingerman i get asked in a dialog about which dictionary i want. |
| 09:55.36 | kevix | pepsi, 'mount -a' |
| 09:55.37 | Gnea | liable: grave bugs of gconf2 (2.10.1-1 -> 2.10.1-6) <open> |
| 09:55.37 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.40 | Gnea | ahahaha |
| 09:55.47 | tarzeau | can't i get rid of all these dialogs and take the whatever is selected by default? |
| 09:55.49 | Gnea | oh this is precious. |
| 09:56.04 | liable | Gnea: i dont even know why i have it :) |
| 09:56.09 | Gnea | i'm sitting here trying to upgrade this broken system, and the power trips out for a split second, rebooting the machine |
| 09:56.12 | liable | Gnea: number? |
| 09:56.23 | Gnea | liable: it's the next line ^^ |
| 09:56.31 | liable | ah. |
| 09:56.53 | Gnea | now X won't boot and I have to reinstall the nvidia driver but i can't because all sorts of shit is broke |
| 09:56.58 | lordknow1 | is there a system volume? |
| 09:57.07 | pepsi | kevix, thanks |
| 09:57.09 | lordknow1 | i need a way to make my computer loudeer |
| 09:57.13 | Gnea | the sad part is that the system *IS* plugged into a UPS |
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| 09:57.26 | terrencevak | Not sure if my question went through before, so forgive me for repeating. I'm doing a chroot install, and am getting the following results: ... now what do I do with my paste content after I've put it up on the paste site? |
| 09:57.29 | Gnea | time for a new UPS |
| 09:57.51 | liable | Gnea: damn. |
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| 09:58.05 | BiSK-8 | hello |
| 09:58.06 | Gnea | terrencevak: give us the url |
| 09:58.17 | Gnea | liable: yeah no shit |
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| 09:58.45 | BiSK-8 | can any1 give me a direct download link 2 the last version of debian? (cd iso images) possibily a fast link |
| 09:58.46 | Gnea | liable: i even have a fresh em64t system sitting here waiting to get setup too. that's been setback as well now. |
| 09:58.56 | Gnea | liable: 3.00 ghz |
| 09:58.56 | terrencevak | http://channels.debian.net/paste/870 |
| 09:59.05 | Gnea | liable: 2gigs dualchannel ddr |
| 09:59.09 | Gnea | liable: sata |
| 09:59.14 | liable | oooh :) |
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| 09:59.21 | Gnea | hell yeah |
| 09:59.23 | Gnea | no cdrom |
| 09:59.29 | liable | eh? |
| 09:59.31 | Gnea | i installed debian off of a 128meg usb drive |
| 09:59.33 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:59.35 | fantomas | hi, what free case database modeling tool for Linux Debian you would recommend? In past I used ERwin and Power Designer. |
| 09:59.38 | Gnea | but it's 32bit |
| 09:59.39 | liable | sweet |
| 09:59.46 | liable | oh |
| 09:59.47 | BiSK-8 | well...... ide like the cd rom |
| 09:59.58 | BiSK-8 | can any1 tell me where 2 got it? |
| 10:00.01 | BiSK-8 | get* |
| 10:00.13 | liable | !d-i BiSK-8 |
| 10:00.14 | dpkg | BiSK-8, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 10:00.41 | liable | BiSK-8: thats for the latest stable release. |
| 10:00.53 | BiSK-8 | k |
| 10:00.54 | BiSK-8 | thx |
| 10:00.55 | Gnea | BiSK-8: yeah, that url has all the latest goodness |
| 10:01.00 | BiSK-8 | but which cds do i need 2 download? |
| 10:01.09 | Gnea | just get the netinstaller |
| 10:01.11 | BiSK-8 | i mean that they r 15 |
| 10:01.18 | BiSK-8 | the netinstaller |
| 10:01.19 | BiSK-8 | ? |
| 10:01.24 | BiSK-8 | then apitutde update? |
| 10:01.29 | terrencevak | So the chroot method isn't a good enough way? |
| 10:01.33 | liable | BiSK-8: if you got a good net connection, get the net-installer |
| 10:01.47 | Gnea | you only need the 15 if you plan on installing on a system that's on a slow (dialup) link or isn't connected to anything |
| 10:01.50 | kevix | BiSK-8, the cd's are in order of popularity. the first 2 are good for most folks. |
| 10:01.57 | BiSK-8 | oh |
| 10:02.02 | BiSK-8 | well |
| 10:02.03 | nvz | what a fucked up movie. I watched that whole House of 1000 Corpses movie the other night and didnt find it at all disturbing, and I watched this movie Hide and Seek and its really fucked up. Disturbs the shit out of me. </ot> |
| 10:02.11 | BiSK-8 | look at the last 1 here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:02.18 | BiSK-8 | is that ok? |
| 10:02.28 | Gnea | terrencevak: oh, i resurrected my web drive, i can give you the doc i updated, sec |
| 10:02.36 | BiSK-8 | i have a pppoe 1.5 mbps router |
| 10:02.44 | BiSK-8 | will that work ok? |
| 10:02.49 | Gnea | oh yeah |
| 10:02.56 | Gnea | i've done netinstalls on that slow POS connection before |
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| 10:02.58 | liable | BiSK-8: get the net install image... |
| 10:03.01 | Gnea | it's fast enough |
| 10:03.08 | terrencevak | GNEAõ THAT MIGHT HELP£ |
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| 10:03.26 | BiSK-8 | so i download the debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso and burn it 2 cd, install it then what? |
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| 10:03.32 | Gnea | terrencevak: yeah, i forgot - sorry, dealing with the effects of a power loss and a backup that didn't do its job right |
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| 10:03.39 | liable | Gnea: heh, thats the *fastest* i can get here.. :P |
| 10:03.52 | liable | !tell BiSK-8 about ig |
| 10:03.54 | Gnea | liable: heh, where are you again? |
| 10:04.03 | liable | BiSK-8: read it, then come back |
| 10:04.14 | liable | Gnea: oz, way out bush :) |
| 10:04.32 | nvz | I can watch 100 people get brutally murdered but when they make a movie with kids in it, just makes it more disturbing. Its a good thing I am not tired because I probably couldn't sleep |
| 10:04.33 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 10:04.59 | andre80 | !install java |
| 10:04.59 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Install the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about java-package. |
| 10:05.17 | tarzeau | what happens when i select noninteractive for dpkg-reconfigure debconf ? |
| 10:05.33 | liable | nvz: for a disturbing movie with kids in it, you cant beat.. 'kids' its totally fucked up. |
| 10:05.48 | terrencevak | How can I check what I have mounted? |
| 10:05.58 | nvz | liable: I have that movie. Haven't watched it in a long time. |
| 10:06.00 | SimonRaven | mount, unsurprisingly |
| 10:06.06 | BiSK-8 | ok |
| 10:06.06 | BiSK-8 | thx |
| 10:06.10 | liable | tarzeau: i guess it doesnt ask you anything, and goes with defaults |
| 10:06.21 | SimonRaven | man debconf |
| 10:06.22 | Gnea | liable: heh, that's pretty good at least - i had 1.5 up north here in the states - it was tolerable |
| 10:06.26 | BiSK-8 | and u said that the first 2 are good for most ppl |
| 10:06.27 | tarzeau | liable: debconf asks me right after that question what priority stuff i want to see |
| 10:06.33 | BiSK-8 | if i download he 1st 2 |
| 10:06.35 | liable | tarzeau: oh |
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| 10:06.39 | tarzeau | liable: you mean i can install a package, no matter what, it is installed? |
| 10:06.40 | BiSK-8 | and then apitude update |
| 10:06.44 | BiSK-8 | is that fine? |
| 10:06.47 | tarzeau | liable: even kernel packages? and the sasme for uninstalls? |
| 10:06.57 | liable | tarzeau: dunno actually, never set it to that.. |
| 10:07.00 | kevix | BiSK-8, with the 14 isos the 1st has an installer for the cd's. but the net-install installs everything from the net connection. |
| 10:07.07 | andre80 | any debian website ? |
| 10:07.17 | liable | tarzeau: it was a guess :) read the man page |
| 10:07.22 | SimonRaven | several |
| 10:07.32 | andre80 | !java-package |
| 10:07.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
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| 10:07.43 | BiSK-8 | kevix, ok, so the netinstaller will install debian 2 my system and get the rest through internet? |
| 10:07.45 | harleyg | hi. is there any differnec between socket 775 and socket LGA775? |
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| 10:07.51 | BiSK-8 | and i have pppoe, not dhcp |
| 10:07.52 | harleyg | or are they the same |
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| 10:08.10 | kevix | BiSK-8, yea. |
| 10:08.11 | liable | BiSK-8: read the install guide dpkg gave you |
| 10:08.16 | BiSK-8 | k |
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| 10:09.06 | elfriede | Hello again. X has stopped complaining about /dev/psaux not being a device, but my mouse is dead still. I tried cat /dev/psaux, but no output at all. Do I need anything else besides mousedev? |
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| 10:09.14 | liable | Gnea: we only got it about 2 months ago, dial up before that.. :( |
| 10:09.22 | harleyg | simonraven, yes but are they difference size |
| 10:09.31 | BiSK-8 | thx ppl.... if i need help ill come back |
| 10:09.33 | harleyg | will a LGA775 fit on a 775? |
| 10:09.34 | BiSK-8 | cyaa |
| 10:09.38 | SimonRaven | it was a (bad) joke... |
| 10:09.40 | liable | Gnea: i would have to start an upgrade before i went to bed.. |
| 10:09.51 | rethiak | elfriede: psmouse ? |
| 10:10.00 | harleyg | ok, but are they the same? |
| 10:10.21 | elfriede | rethiak: yep. |
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| 10:10.28 | SimonRaven | !fgi harleyg LGA775 |
| 10:10.29 | dpkg | harleyg: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=LGA775 |
| 10:10.43 | harleyg | i did google it :) |
| 10:10.50 | liable | rethiak: you bite your tongue or something? :) |
| 10:11.07 | Gnea | Get:111 http://mirrors.kernel.org sid/main kitchensync 4:3.4.2-2 [775kB] |
| 10:11.14 | rethiak | liable: Pothibly. |
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| 10:11.27 | liable | haha |
| 10:11.39 | SimonRaven | harleyg: try "775 lga775 socket difference" |
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| 10:11.51 | elfriede | My mouse worked fine just before the reboot, but now it's frozen. |
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| 10:12.11 | tarzeau | why would apt-get --purge remove pkg not also remove the selections of the package in debconf-get-selections? |
| 10:12.12 | elfriede | I haven't changed /etc/modules, so in theory my mouse should work just as it did before. |
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| 10:13.51 | kevix | elfriede, sometimes module names change with new kernels, thus the old name may not load anything. |
| 10:14.02 | elfriede | kevix: the kernel has not been changed |
| 10:14.03 | Gnea | elfriede: have you installed anything like discover or udev? |
| 10:14.27 | elfriede | Gnea: not since last reboot, no. |
| 10:14.45 | SimonRaven | tarzeau: should normally, AFAIK |
| 10:14.53 | Gnea | elfriede: discover will automatically detect and load the proper module |
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| 10:15.13 | nvz | liable: and kids isnt nearly as fucked up as this movie, which the only thing I've seen more distrubing than it would be Just Cause. I dont watch a whole lot of movies but this is the most disturbing film I've seen since 1995 when Just Cause came out |
| 10:15.14 | elfriede | Gnea: ok, I'm installing it right now. |
| 10:15.14 | andre80 | when is sarge released ? |
| 10:15.27 | kevix | elfriede, so the mouse worked before a reboot and now it stopped working? |
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| 10:15.28 | elfriede | Gnea: does that mean I can clear my /etc/modules now? |
| 10:15.30 | SimonRaven | andre80: already is... www.debian.org |
| 10:15.34 | elfriede | kevix: exactly. |
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| 10:15.49 | Gnea | elfriede: you can use one or the other... or both |
| 10:15.59 | Gnea | elfriede: discover has a blacklist feature |
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| 10:16.19 | liable | nvz: same here, dont watch a lot, havent seen just cause. prolly wont want to after hearing that glowing report :) |
| 10:16.44 | llama32 | anyone know of something like berlin/fresco (alternative windowing system), but more current (site doesnt seem to have been updated since 2004)? or perhaps some old, small/simple windowing system? open source... |
| 10:16.48 | liable | tarzeau: does it here, just purged firefox, re-installed and its not my default browser anymore. |
| 10:16.49 | terrencevak | OK, so what exactly *would* be the best solution for http://channels.debian.net/paste/870 ? Should the console-data package not have been installed from running debootstrap? |
| 10:16.58 | kevix | elfriede, you have checked that the mouse is SECURELY plugged in, no? |
| 10:17.01 | nvz | liable: I couldnt even remember the name of it thats how hard I've tried to forget about it.. I had to go dig through movies to find it. |
| 10:17.03 | elfriede | I'm starting to suspect that the mouse broke since the last reboot. |
| 10:17.08 | andre80 | I need to know the package list for sarge, where ? |
| 10:17.13 | elfriede | kevix: yes, I've checked the plug. |
| 10:17.15 | andre80 | and when is sarge release date ? |
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| 10:17.29 | kevix | !dpkg sarge |
| 10:17.29 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 10:17.38 | andre80 | and may I know the advantage of using debian ? I haven't got any luck installing woody |
| 10:17.39 | Fusionfox | typed startx and got multiple errors again, first error says ?Skipping ?/usr/xllR6/lib*modules/font/libspeedora:Opencode.o?No symbols found.? |
| 10:17.49 | sanpedro | andre80: sarge was released a couple of months ago.. |
| 10:17.56 | Gnea | andre80: it depends what you wanna do with it |
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| 10:18.05 | andre80 | !install debian |
| 10:18.06 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 10:18.06 | tarzeau | liable, SimonRaven: can you check if the pkg "ingerman" does too? |
| 10:18.08 | sueE | hello, what is the preferred way to install appropriate autoconf/make macro's on debian ( or ubuntu) systems? |
| 10:18.13 | Fusionfox | what can i do? |
| 10:18.18 | sueE | the seem to be not included in the -dev packages |
| 10:18.30 | kevix | andre80, why do you want to know? just install it -- it has 16000 packages. |
| 10:18.37 | andre80 | I need it for desktop |
| 10:18.42 | Gnea | sueE: we only deal with debian here, your ubuntu will have to wait outside |
| 10:18.43 | elfriede | Yep, the mouse must be broken because no matter what modules I load it just refuse to give any signal. |
| 10:19.10 | sueE | Gnea, ok sorry, but let me rephrase my question |
| 10:19.18 | Gnea | andre80: then you probably want something like ubuntu, elive, knoppix, kanotix or mepis unless you like to get your hands dirty |
| 10:19.30 | andre80 | err I need k3b, kaffeine, xmms, open office and driver for audigy and ati radeon |
| 10:19.34 | sueE | on debian, would you get the autoconf macros with the -dev packages? |
| 10:19.36 | kevix | Fusionfox, that error is common. it will not STOP x from starting. next error ... |
| 10:19.48 | elfriede | Is there any way to test the ps2 mouse outside of X? I tried /dev/psaux, it does not give any output, is that reliable? |
| 10:19.50 | andre80 | I tried ubuntu, but I need more than just one cd |
| 10:19.53 | Gnea | andre80: then i suggest kanotix or mepis |
| 10:20.01 | sueE | I want to package something for debian AND ubuntu |
| 10:20.17 | sueE | I figured the best way was to compile those natively |
| 10:20.35 | sueE | however I need autoconf ( since it's an cvs release) |
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| 10:20.51 | liable | tarzeau: whats it an alternative for? |
| 10:20.58 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 10:20.58 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 10:20.59 | Gnea | andre80: kanotix is like knoppix but it uses a somewhat reasonably stable version of sid as a backend, while mepis does its own thing, like ubuntu and elive |
| 10:21.12 | kevix | elfriede, you can install 'mdetect' it is for mouse detection. |
| 10:21.14 | Fusionfox | (WW) RAdeon: no matching device section forintance (Bus IO PCI:1:0:1) found |
| 10:21.20 | Gnea | andre80: kanotix will get you newer versions of everything, basically |
| 10:21.26 | Guerin | sueE: that document shows you how to set your source up so it can build automatically on debian or ubuntu |
| 10:21.43 | tarzeau | liable: it's not about alternatives |
| 10:21.47 | tarzeau | what's wrong if i get debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Noninteractive |
| 10:21.53 | andre80 | wow |
| 10:21.53 | andre80 | any websites for further info ? |
| 10:21.54 | liable | Fusionfox: dont put a pci id in when you configure x, just leave it blank |
| 10:22.04 | tarzeau | and debconf: (Can't locate Debconf/FrontEnd/.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 18) line 2.) |
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| 10:22.20 | Gnea | !tell andre80 about kanotix |
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| 10:22.34 | kevix | Fusionfox, WW are warnings. show the 'EE' ! |
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| 10:22.45 | Fusionfox | k |
| 10:22.50 | Gnea | andre80: i forgot the url, but the channel was quite supportive last time i was there :) |
| 10:23.18 | liable | heh, i saw that and transposed an EE over the WW :P |
| 10:23.42 | Fusionfox | (EE)Xf86Openserial: cannot open device /dev/input/mice. No such device |
| 10:24.10 | liable | Fusionfox: is it a ps2 mouse? |
| 10:24.21 | Fusionfox | yes |
| 10:24.34 | andre80 | any disadvantage in using kanotix compared to debian ? |
| 10:24.39 | Fusionfox | liable: yes |
| 10:25.03 | liable | Fusionfox: you tried /dev/psaux before? |
| 10:25.12 | Fusionfox | liable: nope |
| 10:25.25 | liable | Fusionfox: try it. |
| 10:25.25 | rethiak | andre80: You would get no support here. |
| 10:25.37 | Fusionfox | liable: thx okey |
| 10:25.38 | andre80 | I see ^^ |
| 10:25.55 | kevix | Fusionfox, you may want to change /dev/input/mice to /dev/psaux in /etc/x11/XFree86conf-4 |
| 10:25.58 | rethiak | andre80: Furthermore, rumour has it that Kanotix's creator is a crack head. |
| 10:25.59 | andre80 | in your opinion, how hard is it to install sarge ? |
| 10:26.09 | rethiak | andre80: <------ this hard -------> |
| 10:26.15 | sanpedro | andre80: its easy |
| 10:26.22 | Fusionfox | (EE) configured mouse: cannot open input devices |
| 10:26.24 | kevix | Fusionfox, or does 'cat /dev/psaux' show anything if you move your mouse? |
| 10:26.26 | liable | andre80: a retarded monkey could install it.. :P |
| 10:26.41 | Fusionfox | kevix: havent tryed psaux |
| 10:26.43 | andre80 | omg |
| 10:26.55 | Fusionfox | ill try it when i boot again in DEB |
| 10:26.57 | andre80 | in that case, I should be able to install it |
| 10:26.59 | terrencevak | Is there any way to check what "/" points to? |
| 10:27.06 | kevix | andre80, if you download and burn the first 2 sarge iso's, its easy. |
| 10:27.11 | xoz | andre80: you asked many questions that can be answered by going to the debian site. |
| 10:27.13 | andre80 | i fully believe that I m more clever than a retarded monkey |
| 10:27.20 | SimonRaven | terrencevak: um, / ? |
| 10:27.35 | liable | andre80: as long as you dont have exotic, bleeding edge hardware, not supported by the sarge kernel. |
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| 10:27.41 | sanpedro | andre80: prove it and install sarge! |
| 10:27.52 | rethiak | liable: (or indeed any recent intel-chipset laptop) |
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| 10:27.57 | rethiak | liable: (which is not really exotic) |
| 10:28.01 | kevix | terrencevak, ''mount' will show what device. |
| 10:28.04 | saintiss | hi |
| 10:28.06 | saintiss | is there a command to check a packages version in the remote apt repository? |
| 10:28.17 | andre80 | anything that I should know before installing debian ? |
| 10:28.24 | rethiak | andre80: Read the install guide |
| 10:28.26 | rethiak | !tell andre80 -about ig |
| 10:28.26 | xoz | andre80: www.debian.org |
| 10:28.31 | andre80 | no i bought this box 2 years ago, when audigy is not yet supported by any distro |
| 10:28.46 | terrencevak | kevix: OK...only thing it shows is proc. |
| 10:28.48 | liable | rethiak: heh, dont talk to me, you make me giggle, but thats sorta what i meant with bleeding edge hardware.. |
| 10:28.51 | sueE | Guerin, I read some of the info, but it does not answer my question about the autoconf macros not being available |
| 10:29.00 | kevix | saintiss, apt-cache policy <PKGNAME>? |
| 10:29.09 | SimonRaven | rethiak: feeling lithpy today? |
| 10:29.10 | sueE | I mean, I'm happy to install the sources of the stuff I need and so have those macro's |
| 10:29.11 | andre80 | thanks |
| 10:29.22 | saintiss | Kev1: yes, thanks |
| 10:29.26 | Fusionfox | The keyboard keymap compiler (XKBcomp) reports: > Error cant find file !PC/SP! for symbols include > Exiting > abandoning simbols file !Default! |
| 10:29.28 | liable | rethiak: i keep reading in a fat tongue :) |
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| 10:29.35 | sanpedro | andre80: start sarge install by typing: linux26 ,and you will get 2.6.8-kernel instead of 2.4.x |
| 10:29.39 | sueE | the enduser will never have to cope with it at all - I just thought I'd do it deabian all the way |
| 10:29.42 | nvz | andre80: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 10:29.46 | rethiak | liable: An interethting definition of bleeding edge, given that, were I to attempt to convert my uni palth to Loonicth, I would fail. |
| 10:29.52 | sanpedro | andre80: thats all you need to know =) |
| 10:29.53 | sueE | to avoid my slackware ideosyncrazies |
| 10:29.53 | eth42 | Can someone reproduce the following OpenOffice calc bug in Debian? (the bug seems to be specific to Debian and Ubuntu) http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=27809 |
| 10:29.54 | rethiak | ThimonRaven: Slightly :) |
| 10:30.00 | kevix | terrencevak, mine shows this '/dev/hdc1 on / type reiserfs (rw)' and more |
| 10:30.03 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 10:30.07 | liable | hehe |
| 10:30.07 | andre80 | is it hard for someone who got used to RH and FC to adapt debian ? |
| 10:30.13 | SimonRaven | rethiak: running a script? |
| 10:30.29 | row | Hi there how do I remove a defunct'ed process from the process list? |
| 10:30.41 | SimonRaven | andre80: no, you'll be happy you switched. that's what i keep hearing, anyway |
| 10:30.47 | rethiak | ThimonRaven: I'm not, actually. |
| 10:30.52 | terrencevak | So basically, mount doesn't show anything specifically for "/", but yet I'm in the "/" directory. |
| 10:30.53 | xoz | andre80: your question can be answered if you start installing. ask later. |
| 10:31.03 | Fusionfox | what can i do with this >>> The keyboard keymap compiler (XKBcomp) reports: > Error cant find file !PC/SP! for symbols include > Exiting > abandoning simbols file !Default! |
| 10:31.08 | nvz | andre80: read the links I gave you if there is anything there you are unsure about or don't agree with, debian probably isnt for you. |
| 10:31.18 | nvz | andre80: they are short documents, and if you have questions, ask |
| 10:31.24 | rethiak | terrencevak: Then you're missing your / entry in fstab, but it's _working_ because the boot sequence mounted /. |
| 10:31.57 | kevix | terrencevak, what is in /etc/fstab ? |
| 10:32.09 | SimonRaven | rethiak: you're just really good typist i guess ;) |
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| 10:32.35 | rethiak | SimonRaven: FThVO "good" ;) |
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| 10:32.58 | kevix | rethiak, so he is not in an 'install to hd' system ? |
| 10:33.09 | SimonRaven | um, why is it that spammers think they're crap will get through here? *sigh*. they keep trying and trying, but they don't realise i have them pegged... |
| 10:33.12 | SimonRaven | rethiak: :D |
| 10:33.25 | sueE | Would it introduce any troubles if I'd just generate the ./configure script on the slackware machine? |
| 10:33.40 | SimonRaven | um, why would you do that? |
| 10:33.56 | rethiak | kevix: No, I didn't say that. I nuked my fstab a few months back in a dramatic case of moronicism, and / was still mounted during boot, albeit invisibly. |
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| 10:34.13 | SimonRaven | autofuck () { |
| 10:34.13 | SimonRaven | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.16 | SimonRaven | } |
| 10:34.16 | rethiak | kevix: root=/dev/hda2 was responsible, I feel. |
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| 10:34.54 | andre80 | thanks I will get the iso 1st |
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| 10:36.06 | sueE | SimonRaven, the autconf is having troubles finding the appropriate macro's |
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| 10:36.14 | sueE | although I have the right -dev packages installed |
| 10:36.30 | sueE | I don't want to go isntalling all of the needed libraries from source |
| 10:36.34 | SimonRaven | sueE: is it just warnings, or actual errors? |
| 10:36.37 | sueE | errors |
| 10:36.41 | sueE | the macro's are not there |
| 10:37.10 | terrencevak | kevix: OK, my fstab is http://channels.debian.net/paste/871 . |
| 10:37.21 | sueE | SimonRaven, ok I have solved it |
| 10:37.27 | sueE | *stupid* me |
| 10:37.42 | sueE | always do autconf && automake |
| 10:37.51 | sueE | but ./sh.autogen |
| 10:37.55 | fantomas | Is there good free case database modeling tool for Linux? |
| 10:37.57 | sueE | was better ! |
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| 10:38.09 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 10:38.42 | andre80 | I got another question. Is it possible using apt-get while my connection is just a dial up one ? |
| 10:38.54 | liable | terrencevak: why do you have / and /boot mounted to the same dev? |
| 10:38.56 | SimonRaven | of course, just slower |
| 10:39.49 | terrencevak | liable Shouldn't they be? I want the thing to run from that hard drive. |
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| 10:40.21 | liable | terrencevak: err, no, is /boot on a seperate partition? |
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| 10:40.50 | liable | terrencevak: if not, remove the /boot line. |
| 10:41.07 | terrencevak | liable Ah! |
| 10:41.21 | dupondje | hi guys, i just added a hdd to my raid array, and now i want to extend filesystem, but it get "The filesystem is already 366181585 blocks long. Nothing to do!" |
| 10:41.23 | dupondje | any id ? |
| 10:41.55 | liable | !any ideas? |
| 10:41.56 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed hamsters. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 10:42.09 | liable | sorry, havent seen that one for a while :) |
| 10:42.52 | terrencevak | liable: I fixed that, but / still doesn't show up after doing "mount". |
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| 10:44.41 | rhalff | any suggestions for good online hardware stores to feed my debian with better power :) |
| 10:44.48 | rhalff | Im in europe.. |
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| 10:45.14 | liable | terrencevak: mount -o remount /dev/hda1 / |
| 10:45.46 | dupondje | how can i extend a partition ??? |
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| 10:46.18 | liable | dupondje: resize? |
| 10:46.35 | liable | !tell solemnwarning about away |
| 10:46.45 | terrencevak | liable: Hmm... still doesn't show up. |
| 10:46.56 | manbox | how do i set up multiple X-environments and wms? i got a VNC server to run, but panels dont load properly w/ gnome... |
| 10:47.00 | kevix | terrencevak, you have an error in your fstab! |
| 10:47.04 | dupondje | liable: "The filesystem is already 366181585 blocks long. Nothing to do!" |
| 10:47.09 | dupondje | resize2fs gives that |
| 10:47.27 | Essetee | when I open the playlist menu in mplayer, xmms, yamt, then I have very little fonts. Where can I fix this ? |
| 10:47.40 | manbox | hejka |
| 10:47.45 | terrencevak | kevix: OK... what do I need to do to it? |
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| 10:48.30 | liable | terrencevak: what do you mean by doesnt show up? |
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| 10:48.43 | andre80 | !apt-get |
| 10:48.44 | dpkg | methinks apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask ... |
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| 10:48.46 | kevix | terrencevak, you should remove /boot entry. / and /boot entries BOTH point to /dev/hda1 |
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| 10:49.23 | terrencevak | liable: I eon't see / when I do mount. |
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| 10:49.50 | sanpedro | Essetee: "apt-get install xfonts-100dpi-transcoded xfonts-75dpi-transcoded xfonts-base-transcoded" might fix it |
| 10:49.51 | WindowsUninstall | I have a problem... X don't run after an update! |
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| 10:50.00 | WindowsUninstall | Someone can help me? |
| 10:50.04 | tarzeau | WindowsUninstall: you mean upgrade |
| 10:50.05 | kevix | liable, /dev/hda1 / ext2 defaults 0 0 |
| 10:50.05 | kevix | /dev/hda1 /boot ext2 ro,nosuid,nodev 0 2 |
| 10:50.13 | Essetee | ok i try |
| 10:50.16 | liable | terrencevak: meaning what? you cant cd into it? how are you doing this to start with? |
| 10:50.23 | tarzeau | WindowsUninstall: which x version did you have before, which do you have now? |
| 10:50.25 | WindowsUninstall | (I have debian unstable) |
| 10:50.27 | liable | kevix: yes we have gone over this :) |
| 10:50.30 | cahoot | Essetee: if gtk apps - install gtk-theme-switch |
| 10:50.31 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 10:50.31 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 10:50.34 | tarzeau | WindowsUninstall: read that then |
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| 10:50.54 | Essetee | i already do that |
| 10:51.02 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 10:51.03 | llama32 | anyone know where to get incredibly old (as in at least 10 years old) source for some X server? |
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| 10:51.15 | tarzeau | Essetee: you can't fix them |
| 10:51.16 | Essetee | gtk-theme-switch and gtk-theme-switch2 already run |
| 10:51.19 | liable | terrencevak: mount -a -o remount |
| 10:51.20 | cahoot | Essetee: and run switch/switch2? |
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| 10:51.24 | tarzeau | Essetee: blame xmms for it |
| 10:51.27 | kevix | Essetee, I usually get my magnifying glass! x-) |
| 10:51.31 | tarzeau | cahoot: it's a problem of the sofwtare he wants to run |
| 10:51.35 | Gonz | hello friends |
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| 10:51.57 | tarzeau | Essetee: they wanted to look cool, and not be consistent |
| 10:52.17 | Gonz | can somebody help me to configure my wireless network? |
| 10:52.22 | dupondje | what tool i need to use to resize partition? :s |
| 10:52.22 | dodgyville | I can not get my ethernet card to work. The driver loads, but in dmesg it says "eth0 is down" |
| 10:52.25 | Essetee | the fonts in the apps are OK, only when i want to see de menu |
| 10:52.40 | tarzeau | Essetee: then for xmms it's switch... |
| 10:52.47 | kevix | llama32, what would looking at 10 year old X source be usefull for? |
| 10:52.49 | tarzeau | Essetee: did you change the fontsize in the progrma "switch"? |
| 10:52.54 | Essetee | yes |
| 10:53.03 | liable | !tell Gonz about ask |
| 10:53.15 | valdyn | dodgyville: means your cable is not plugged in properly |
| 10:53.18 | Gonz | liable are you gonna help me? |
| 10:53.20 | WindowsUninstall | tarzeau, I don't now |
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| 10:53.33 | liable | Gonz: read what dpkg just said |
| 10:53.34 | tarzeau | WindowsUninstall: you should learn to find out |
| 10:53.40 | tarzeau | WindowsUninstall: or not use sid |
| 10:53.44 | nvz | kevix: reflection on what not to do. |
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| 10:53.49 | WindowsUninstall | tarzeau, 6.8.2 |
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| 10:54.01 | WindowsUninstall | tarzeau, Now I have 6.8.2 |
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| 10:54.10 | tarzeau | WindowsUninstall: is that xorg? |
| 10:54.22 | DebianUser | I want to precompile my debian modules where was the path/name/dir to do this ? |
| 10:54.25 | dodgyville | valdyn: Ah, but the same device (modem) and cable work fine in another computer. And I have now tried two ethernet cards. |
| 10:54.28 | WindowsUninstall | tarzeau, yes, It's xorg |
| 10:54.29 | llama32 | kevix: while even 10-year old versions would no doubt be hideos and bloated, im looking for source code for windowing systems, and it would take months on end to even download the modern X.org/xf86 source |
| 10:54.33 | tarzeau | DebianUser: /usr/src/modules |
| 10:54.39 | DebianUser | thanks a lot |
| 10:54.43 | tarzeau | WindowsUninstall: what did you have before, xorg too or xfree86? |
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| 10:55.09 | WindowsUninstall | tarzeau, xorg |
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| 10:55.38 | kevix | llama32, so what is your ultimate goal? to study old X code? to answer some X related question? |
| 10:56.14 | DebianUser | tarzeau i have just /usr/src/ but no modules dir how i can to fix this i want to install modules for my network card |
| 10:56.22 | valdyn | dodgyville: even on dialup 50MB source code does not take months. |
| 10:56.24 | tarzeau | DebianUser: apt-cache search modules ? |
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| 10:56.29 | terrencevak | liable and kevix: OK, I've taken out both the / and /boot lines from fstab, and done the remount command. I can cd into /, but it doesn't show up when I type mount. |
| 10:56.33 | valdyn | dodgyville: nm, mistarget |
| 10:56.34 | Gonz | ok, I'm trying to set up my wireless network, I was reading the debian reference guide, but I still dont understand how to do it clearly, the drivers of my wireless card are alredy installed.can somebody help me? |
| 10:56.40 | valdyn | llama32: even on dialup 50MB source code does not take months. |
| 10:56.41 | tarzeau | DebianUser: are the modules available with apt-get or not? what is your kernel, uname -a ? |
| 10:56.47 | tarzeau | DebianUser: which network card is that? |
| 10:56.58 | llama32 | kevix: to study the code |
| 10:56.59 | DebianUser | my kernel is too old |
| 10:57.03 | DebianUser | 2.2.20 |
| 10:57.09 | DebianUser | thats tha major problem i think |
| 10:57.17 | tarzeau | DebianUser: can you upgrade to sarge? |
| 10:57.19 | DebianUser | we have just this bootable debian cd |
| 10:57.31 | DebianUser | tarzeau, i want to bring up my eth0 |
| 10:57.33 | tarzeau | DebianUser: you have not yet an installation? install sarge from scratch |
| 10:57.35 | liable | terrencevak: er, you want to leave the / line.. |
| 10:57.42 | tarzeau | DebianUser: who network card is that exactly? |
| 10:57.45 | sueE | Hello, I don't know where to look for *really* fresh debian packages, like cairo 3 |
| 10:57.58 | AzMoo | I have 2 video cards in my machine. How do I get the bus identifier? |
| 10:58.00 | sueE | or is it not yet packaged? |
| 10:58.01 | llama32 | valdyn: yes, however id really rather not download 50mb worth of additional code, when all im really looking for is the core of it, without the added confusion of extensions |
| 10:58.05 | tarzeau | DebianUser: nvidia/forcedeth? broadcom? yukon? |
| 10:58.09 | DebianUser | Ethernet Davicom semiconductor |
| 10:58.13 | kevix | terrencevak, make sure you put the / line back in. to see /, I think you would have to 'umount /boot' and then 'mount' |
| 10:58.15 | tarzeau | AzMoo: lspci |
| 10:58.18 | DebianUser | lspci said so |
| 10:58.19 | tarzeau | DebianUser: an x86? |
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| 10:58.26 | Essetee | this is what i mean with litle fonts : http://www.essetee.be/images/druk2.png |
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| 10:58.34 | terrencevak | liable: Oh! OK, I thought someone said to take out *both* those lines. |
| 10:58.34 | Gonz | ok, I'm trying to set up my wireless network, I was reading the debian reference guide, but I still dont understand how to do it clearly, the drivers of my wireless card are alredy installed.can somebody help me? |
| 10:58.45 | DebianUser | tarzeau, X86 yes |
| 10:58.47 | DebianUser | i think |
| 10:58.50 | tarzeau | Essetee: haha :) tiny! |
| 10:58.55 | DebianUser | a want to bring up my interface |
| 10:58.58 | Essetee | yes very tiny |
| 10:59.01 | DebianUser | to use apt-get |
| 10:59.02 | Gonz | help me please |
| 10:59.02 | dodgyville | Is it possible that my motherboard may have problems. Except that the driver seems to load correctly. That seems really odd. |
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| 10:59.12 | DebianUser | and install new kernel and soft |
| 10:59.16 | tarzeau | DebianUser: never seen/had a davicom i think |
| 10:59.19 | terrencevak | kevix: It says boot isn't even mounted. |
| 10:59.27 | liable | terrencevak: does cat /proc/mounts show it? |
| 10:59.34 | DebianUser | bu my ifup script said eth0 no such device |
| 10:59.34 | xoz | dodgyville: how sure are you that it is the right driver? |
| 10:59.43 | kevix | llama32, did you want to make your own X system, modify X, or program in X? or something else? |
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| 10:59.49 | DebianUser | and i want to compile an install drivers for eth0 |
| 11:00.01 | internat | anyone here happen to know when the new courier system will filter down to testing/unstable from experimental? |
| 11:00.23 | AzMoo | tarzeau, thankyou! |
| 11:00.23 | tarzeau | internat: no, the maintainer of it might know |
| 11:00.24 | sanpedro | DebianUser: man interfaces |
| 11:00.32 | liable | Gonz: does the card show up in iwconfig? |
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| 11:00.46 | Gonz | liable: yes |
| 11:00.52 | DebianUser | sanpedro, my interfaces are propally edited |
| 11:01.01 | DebianUser | the problem is that i cant bring up my eth0 |
| 11:01.10 | Gonz | liable: i see it as "ath0 |
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| 11:01.22 | llama32 | kevix: im interested in implementing my own windowing system, aimed at embedded devices, but scalable to home desktop use |
| 11:01.39 | liable | Gonz: type dhclient ath0 |
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| 11:02.04 | STORMKiNG | hi all |
| 11:02.04 | dodgyville | xoz: Well, it loads! |
| 11:02.33 | DebianUser | whwn i am in /usr/src dir |
| 11:02.34 | acj | hi all, if a package is "Priority: required" does that mean it is definately installed on a fresh base install? |
| 11:02.37 | Gonz | liable: ok i did it, what should be the output? |
| 11:02.45 | DebianUser | how i can configure my kernel options |
| 11:03.03 | DebianUser | make menuconfig |
| 11:03.04 | liable | Gonz: well, what is the output? does it say it gave you a lease? |
| 11:03.06 | STORMKiNG | I have Invision Power Board and I bought the Extreme pixels Skin file but I don't how to setup.... |
| 11:03.06 | WindowsUninstall | tarzeau, I want downgrade to the precedent version? |
| 11:03.07 | DebianUser | doesnt works |
| 11:03.15 | nkuttler | DebianUser: why not? |
| 11:03.21 | dodgyville | xoz: dmesg has " eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D' |
| 11:03.21 | terrencevak | liable: cat /proc/mounts gives me http://channels.debian.net/paste/872 . |
| 11:03.23 | WindowsUninstall | tarzeau, I want downgrade to the precedent version. |
| 11:03.24 | dodgyville | " |
| 11:03.29 | tarzeau | WindowsUninstall: any reason you use xorg? |
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| 11:03.38 | tarzeau | WindowsUninstall: that's nice, just do it |
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| 11:03.54 | liable | terrencevak: look ok to me. |
| 11:03.56 | Gonz | liable: "o working leases in persistent database" |
| 11:04.11 | Gonz | liable: "no working lease..." |
| 11:04.16 | liable | Gonz: does your router do dhcp? |
| 11:04.26 | terrencevak | liable: Though looking at it, it appears both hda1 & hdc1 are linked to /. |
| 11:04.30 | liable | Gonz: iwlist scan |
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| 11:05.26 | Gonz | liable: yes my router do dhcp |
| 11:05.39 | Wimpie | hi all, looking for xine-ui 0.99.4 which solves the right click crash |
| 11:05.44 | liable | terrencevak: hrm |
| 11:05.54 | Gonz | liable: after iwlist scan: ath0 scan completed |
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| 11:06.37 | liable | Gonz: turn of wep or wpa on your router, and make sure ssid broadcast is enabled |
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| 11:07.31 | liable | terrencevak: whats hdc1? |
| 11:07.44 | liable | terrencevak: another hard drive? |
| 11:07.44 | Wimpie | first partition on disk 3 |
| 11:07.48 | WindowsUninstall | tabris|away, You know how to downgrade? |
| 11:07.51 | Wimpie | liable : no a partition |
| 11:08.06 | Gonz | liable: is it neccesary t turn on wep? |
| 11:08.13 | terrencevak | liable: Yeah, it's my other hard drive, the one my other os is on. |
| 11:08.26 | nvz | I just lost a window, two actually. |
| 11:08.28 | liable | Gonz: turn it off.. |
| 11:08.40 | andre80 | err is the linux hardware compatibility list at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/sound.html#AEN6533 outdated ? I don't find audigy there |
| 11:08.52 | liable | terrencevak: paste your new fstab please |
| 11:08.52 | Gonz | liable: it its already turn off |
| 11:09.10 | liable | Gonz: turn ssid broadcast on |
| 11:09.17 | Gonz | liable: but I have a ESSID set up |
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| 11:09.40 | valdyn | andre80: obviously, try www.alsa-project.org for that audigy |
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| 11:09.44 | WindowsUninstall | tarzeau, You know how to downgrade x? |
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| 11:09.58 | tarzeau | WindowsUninstall: yeah i could do that. |
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| 11:10.25 | tarzeau | WindowsUninstall: but in the first run i'd never upgrade it when i didn't check if it's fine, with others |
| 11:10.40 | terrencevak | liable I killed my /mnt/hda1 entry???? Light! |
| 11:11.12 | nvz | I accidentally lowered two windows below the nautilus desktop. and they were set to ignored, task list skip, window list skip..etc |
| 11:11.21 | nvz | that shit is aggrivating |
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| 11:11.46 | nvz | especially when you are working in nautilus and have multiple files selected, and killing nautilus isnt practical |
| 11:11.46 | Gonz | liable: ok its done |
| 11:11.58 | liable | Gonz: iwlist scan ath0 |
| 11:12.43 | Gonz | liable: unknown command ath0 |
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| 11:13.13 | terrencevak | Somehow I turned / into a read-only filesystem... |
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| 11:13.32 | terrencevak | I'm trying to remember how to fix that. |
| 11:13.34 | liable | Gonz: my bad, remove the ath0 bit. |
| 11:13.46 | SimonRaven | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 11:13.48 | Savant1 | anyone here know how to merge a bunch of word lists (in text files), sorting the words for frequency and then removing the duplicates? |
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| 11:13.57 | andre80 | valdyn, do debian has it at its package ? |
| 11:14.00 | Gonz | liable: I think I need to set up my ESSID |
| 11:14.13 | liable | Gonz: man iwconfig |
| 11:14.24 | Gonz | liable: because I have to configure a EESID |
| 11:14.30 | xoz | dodgyville: have you configured /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 11:14.40 | liable | Gonz: iwlist scan should show your ap.. |
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| 11:14.55 | Gonz | liable: I see EESID: " " |
| 11:15.08 | liable | Gonz: and dhclient ath0 should get you connected if it does dhcp.. |
| 11:15.12 | dodgyville | xoz: Yah |
| 11:15.21 | liable | Gonz: then it isnt broadcasting. |
| 11:15.23 | dodgyville | I think so. |
| 11:15.31 | xoz | dodgyville: what does ifconfig tells you? |
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| 11:15.38 | xoz | *tell* |
| 11:15.39 | kevix | I need more caffine. its time to go... |
| 11:15.52 | andre80 | !alsa |
| 11:15.52 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 11:15.56 | Gonz | liable: how can i tell my ath0 connect with a EESID? |
| 11:16.06 | liable | Gonz: man iwconfig |
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| 11:16.19 | Gonz | liable: ok thanks |
| 11:16.39 | liable | Gonz: iwconfig ssid foossid ath0 |
| 11:16.52 | valdyn | andre80: skip the part about blacklisting manually in that faq, its unnecessary and ( better ) done automatically |
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| 11:17.19 | Gnea | valdyn: not always |
| 11:17.29 | valdyn | Gnea: yea, always |
| 11:17.34 | dodgyville | xoz: There's an entry for eth0, first line "eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:02:44:8C:B8:9F |
| 11:17.34 | dodgyville | " |
| 11:17.35 | Gnea | valdyn: wrong. |
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| 11:17.49 | Harzilein | hi there |
| 11:17.55 | Harzilein | what happened to rgb.txt? |
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| 11:17.57 | valdyn | Gnea: read the faq, it recommends to do manually what alsa-base will do automatically |
| 11:17.57 | xoz | dodgyville: then your driver works. |
| 11:17.58 | terrencevak | liable: the current fstab is at http://channels.debian.net/paste/873 |
| 11:17.59 | Harzilein | there are color names missing |
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| 11:18.03 | Gonz | liable: so the 1st. setp is "iwconfig" and afterwards "dhclient" |
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| 11:18.10 | liable | god my memory sucks some serious ass.. |
| 11:18.22 | xoz | dodgyville: you have to configure the proper ip address in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:18.24 | mantikor | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.43 | liable | Gonz: dhclient ath0 *should* give you a lease |
| 11:18.47 | Harzilein | e.g. navy4 or indigo |
| 11:18.56 | mantikor | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.03 | Harzilein | my Xsetup depends on them, i want them back |
| 11:19.07 | mantikor | i am running 1.0.6 on a ubuntu linux mahine |
| 11:19.11 | liable | Gonz: iwconfig ath0 essid yournetwork |
| 11:19.12 | andre80 | ok |
| 11:19.14 | Gnea | valdyn: if you've got a 10/100 and a 10/100/1000 nics and it's detecting the 1000 first but you want the 1000 as eth1, then they need to be reversed. blacklisting and manually setting the modules in /etc/modules fixes that. of course, you can always rename them but it's more practical to just tell the kernel which one is which from the get-go. |
| 11:19.17 | SimonRaven | mantikor: #ubuntu |
| 11:19.18 | mantikor | there was a glitch and i lost my whole profile - the mail folder included |
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| 11:19.38 | Gnea | valdyn: the faq can suck my nuts. |
| 11:19.39 | xoz | dodgyville: if you are using dhcp, auto lo eth0 \n iface lo inet loopback \n iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 11:19.43 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:19.47 | valdyn | Gnea: we are talking about alsa here, not nics |
| 11:19.47 | mantikor | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.00 | xoz | dodgyville: then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:20.08 | streuner | mantikor: join #ubuntu |
| 11:20.13 | dodgyville | xoz: "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 11:20.20 | Gnea | valdyn: actually, when i said 'not always' i was making a general reference, not an alsa reference - for alsa, i agree, autodetection is better |
| 11:20.27 | mantikor | join #ubuntu |
| 11:20.30 | liable | terrencevak: what are you doing? moving drives or something? |
| 11:20.36 | xoz | dodgyville: yep |
| 11:20.38 | dodgyville | xoz: The light on the ethernet card has never gone on. I suspect it is not even talking to the modem. |
| 11:20.42 | mantikor | cu |
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| 11:20.55 | xoz | dodgyville: what module? |
| 11:20.58 | liable | terrencevak: i dont even understand what the problem is exactly.. |
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| 11:21.31 | terrencevak | liable: They're staying right where they are. Does it look like they've moved? |
| 11:21.49 | terrencevak | *admits to being rather uneducated* |
| 11:22.13 | cmdKeen | what's the synatx for bash command that will uninstall packages from deborphan ? somethin like deborphan | dpkg -P .... |
| 11:22.18 | liable | terrencevak: but what is your actuall problem? i came into this late, and am not really sure what the problem is or how it started.. |
| 11:22.19 | dodgyville | xoz: mii and 8139too |
| 11:23.01 | terrencevak | liable: OK, I'm trying to do a chroot install onto my smaller hard drive. |
| 11:23.04 | Gonz | liable: Yeah!! I got a lease... thanks |
| 11:23.06 | xoz | dodgyville: try also 8139cp |
| 11:23.34 | liable | Gonz: sweet |
| 11:23.47 | liable | terrencevak: right. |
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| 11:24.15 | Gonz | liable: but if i connect to many networks, with different passwords, is there a way to do it automaticaly? |
| 11:24.25 | dodgyville | xoz: I rmmodded 8139too and then modprobed 8139cp: dmesg: "8139cp: pci dev 0000:00:0b.0 (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip" "try 8139too instead" |
| 11:24.29 | liable | Gonz: not relly no. |
| 11:24.42 | dodgyville | xoz: This is the second ethernet card I have plugged into the motherboard. |
| 11:25.08 | Gonz | liable: so I have to do it manually everytime that I turn on my laptop? |
| 11:25.23 | xoz | dodgyville: ok. don't use rmmod. next time, use modprobe -r. anyway, it might be assigned to eth1? |
| 11:26.02 | dodgyville | xoz: No, ifconfig only lists eth0 and lo (and at the moment pppd) |
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| 11:26.05 | streuner | dodgyville: what version of debian are you running? |
| 11:26.16 | terrencevak | Well, debootstrap finished, and I was going to do the reconfigure of console-data. But the thing says that package isn't installed. So I was thinking the problem was that / wasn't mounted right. |
| 11:26.18 | xoz | dodgyville: try ifconfig eth1 |
| 11:26.19 | valdyn | dodgyville: what about 'ifconfig -a' ? |
| 11:27.12 | liable | terrencevak: gah, i just last logged you.. can you chroot to the install? |
| 11:27.32 | war92 | Has anyone tried suspend support on a Linux Desktop box w/kernel 2.6? |
| 11:27.41 | streuner | dodgyville: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 11:27.57 | liable | war92: why bother on a desktop? |
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| 11:28.06 | terrencevak | liable: Yeah, I had chrooted to it when it did that. |
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| 11:28.32 | fusionfox | ... |
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| 11:28.46 | fusionfox | hello? |
| 11:28.50 | liable | terrencevak: so getting back to it, what is the problem now? if you can chroot into it, then you can do whatever you want. |
| 11:29.21 | dodgyville | streuner: Linux version 2.6.12-8-386 |
| 11:29.22 | fusionfox | how can i mount all my HDD partitions? |
| 11:29.32 | liable | fusionfox: man fstab |
| 11:29.43 | streuner | dodgyville: we need the whole output |
| 11:29.46 | dodgyville | Valandil: With the recommended 8139too or the 8139cp? |
| 11:29.57 | dodgyville | streuner: Linux version 2.6.12-8-386 (buildd@rothera) (gcc version 3.4.5 20050809 (prerelease) (Debian 3.4.4-6ubuntu6)) #1 Tue Aug 30 22:41:30 BST 2005 |
| 11:30.22 | terrencevak | liable: But when I'm in the install and do dpkg-reconfigure console-data, it says that package isn't installed. |
| 11:30.57 | terrencevak | liable And sorry about disappearing; I was trying to leave another channel and left here by accident. |
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| 11:31.42 | liable | terrencevak: so you are chrooted in, cant you just install it? |
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| 11:32.40 | dupondje | how can i resize partition without losing data on it ? :s |
| 11:33.13 | streuner | dupondje: easy, backup data and restore? ;-) |
| 11:33.18 | liable | dupondje: you back it up first :) |
| 11:33.24 | liable | !lose me |
| 11:33.25 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 11:33.49 | streuner | @win streuner |
| 11:33.50 | ravenbird | Congratulations, streuner! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 11:34.05 | liable | dupondje: but parted, gparted, partition magic et al |
| 11:34.16 | liable | haha |
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| 11:34.35 | dupondje | No Implementation: This ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout! Parted can't resize this (yet). |
| 11:34.39 | dupondje | parted shows this :ms |
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| 11:35.39 | dodgyville | ifup eth0 does give me a message "unknown hardware address type 776" but on the other computer (where the adsl modem works) it gives the same message. |
| 11:35.44 | liable | dupondje: use a knoppix or some other rescue disk, it cant be done while mounted of course |
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| 11:35.46 | streuner | dupondje: another solution, delete ubuntu and install debian, you are able to resize it too then |
| 11:35.53 | NyteRukh | morning |
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| 11:36.07 | dupondje | liable: its not mounted :s |
| 11:36.35 | xoz | dodgyville: wtf ... dodgyville> xoz: There's an entry for eth0, first line "eth0 Link |
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| 11:36.36 | liable | dupondje: if you have ubuntu, use its disk, and ask there.. |
| 11:36.52 | omry|work | I need to install libstartup-notification0-dev and I get that its broken (http://firefang.net/~omry/apt.txt) |
| 11:36.59 | dupondje | got debian :s |
| 11:37.09 | cahoot | dodgyville: just an observation - seen this once - rebooting the modem seemed to fix it |
| 11:37.10 | streuner | dodgyville: you are already in #ubuntu, why not asking there? |
| 11:37.30 | xoz | liar |
| 11:38.08 | microsys | soneone else is experiencing strange behaviour (loadinglags, crashes, slow reactions, etc.) with openoffice.org in testing? |
| 11:38.11 | liable | indeed |
| 11:38.37 | streuner | microsys: what does BTS say about? |
| 11:38.51 | liable | dupondje: some of us idle in #ubuntu too! |
| 11:38.58 | microsys | haven`t looked yet *shame* |
| 11:39.30 | TraceGreen | Hello, Does anyone ever use captive in linux for ntfs writting? |
| 11:39.59 | TraceGreen | i can use captive mount my ntfs partition, but it seems i can just see the data in ntfs partition. |
| 11:40.34 | microsys | BTS says a lot of bugs in there |
| 11:40.35 | TraceGreen | i mean, i want to copy some data to my ntfs partition, but i don't know how to get other partitions' datas when use captive. |
| 11:41.42 | AzMoo | I need to give the BusID for my video card because I have multiple cards. lspci says my vid card has an address of 0000:01:00.0, but the config thing for X says that this isn't a valid format. What am I supposed to use? |
| 11:41.43 | streuner | microsys: /j #debian-oo and ask there then... |
| 11:42.01 | valdyn | AzMoo: leave that empty |
| 11:42.30 | AzMoo | valdyn, it specifically tells me it's needed |
| 11:42.42 | valdyn | AzMoo: you have multiple cards that use the same driver? |
| 11:42.52 | AzMoo | Nope, they use diff drivers |
| 11:43.06 | valdyn | AzMoo: then leave it empty |
| 11:43.22 | AzMoo | ok then! |
| 11:43.27 | AzMoo | cheers |
| 11:43.37 | dodgyville | Thanks for your help everyone |
| 11:43.40 | liable | AzMoo: 1:0:0 |
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| 11:43.55 | valdyn | AzMoo: proper id would be to just skip the .0 and the first 0000: |
| 11:45.20 | TraceGreen | well, i fix it, just mount -t captive-ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/win |
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| 11:46.49 | fusionfox | how can i make X to start every time i boot?, like a nomal Debian |
| 11:46.55 | omry|work | I need to install libstartup-notification0-dev on testing, and I get that its broken (http://firefang.net/~omry/apt.txt), any idea how to work around it? |
| 11:47.08 | liable | fusionfox: install a dm |
| 11:47.34 | fusionfox | dm full name so i can search and learn to use =? |
| 11:47.49 | terrencevak | OK, when the guide says to echo DebianHostName > /etc/hostname, is that something I should replace with something else? |
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| 11:48.21 | valdyn | terrencevak: your actual hostname |
| 11:48.23 | liable | omry|work: try an update first |
| 11:48.33 | EdLin | fusionfox: xdm, gdm, kdm, login.app |
| 11:48.43 | fusionfox | thanks |
| 11:49.27 | terrencevak | valdyn: Is that the same as the contents of $HOSTNAME? |
| 11:49.56 | AzMoo | aw man, how come I don't have a startx ? |
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| 11:50.24 | EdLin | AzMoo: how did you install X? |
| 11:50.42 | liable | AzMoo: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 11:50.48 | omry|work | liable, I am up-to-date. (also ran dist-upgrade to be sure). I still get it. |
| 11:51.07 | AzMoo | EdLin, using dselect |
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| 11:51.21 | EdLin | AzMoo: that's not what I mean, I mean what meta package? |
| 11:51.22 | liable | omry|work: wait then, and check bts |
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| 11:52.17 | AzMoo | xserver-xfree86? |
| 11:52.22 | omry|work | liable, bts says there are no bugs with it. |
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| 11:52.49 | EdLin | AzMoo: you need to install x-window-system or x-window-system-core (the latter + window manager + x-terminal emulator) |
| 11:52.59 | terrencevak | Can I *define* my own hostname or does it have to be something specific? |
| 11:53.22 | liable | omry|work: well file one, thats the fun of sid :) |
| 11:53.27 | valdyn | terrencevak: you can define it |
| 11:53.56 | terrencevak | Cool; I always hated having "knoppix" as my hostname. |
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| 11:54.59 | BjornW | Hi there, is there a network guru overhere? |
| 11:55.08 | valdyn | !guru |
| 11:55.08 | dpkg | i heard guru is (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to Ram ... |
| 11:55.19 | AzMoo | EdLin, thanks :) |
| 11:55.29 | EdLin | AzMoo: np |
| 11:55.38 | omry|work | liable, actually I am on etch. why did you think I am on sid? |
| 11:55.43 | BjornW | valdyn: ;) |
| 11:56.28 | Aim_Here | dpkg is, of course, the guru in the room |
| 11:56.30 | liable | omry|work: because libstartup-notification0-dev-0.8-1 is a sid package |
| 11:56.42 | liable | !info libstartup-notification0-dev |
| 11:56.47 | dpkg | libstartup-notification0-dev: (library for program launch feedback (development headers)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 0.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 106 kB |
| 11:56.52 | BjornW | I have a router that portmaps to an internal Debian machine. This is accessible form the outside (internet) but not from the internal netwerk. Any ideas |
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| 11:57.27 | nvz | bah, damn cable on this thing is touchy might explain the problems I've had with it |
| 11:57.42 | Aim_Here | You can always point your internal machines at the external IP address |
| 11:57.47 | liable | !info libstartup-notification0-dev etch |
| 11:58.02 | dpkg | libstartup-notification0-dev: (library for program launch feedback (development headers)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 0.8-1 (etch), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 106 kB |
| 11:58.14 | liable | omry|work: my apoligies.. |
| 11:58.22 | omry|work | liable, hmmmm, got me worried for a moment. |
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| 11:58.35 | omry|work | started to check my sources.list :) |
| 11:58.35 | AzMoo | BjornW, the debian box is not accessible from the internal network? |
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| 11:59.06 | BjornW | AzMoo: only when using the internal ip and not by its external ip |
| 11:59.10 | Aim_Here | BjornW, otherwise, the two likely suspects are the router being configured not to let internal machines see each other, or your Debian machine is keeping out the scruffy internal computers via iptables |
| 11:59.33 | liable | omry|work: you have non debian sources? |
| 11:59.34 | fusionfox | in wich run lvl should i run login.app? |
| 11:59.54 | BjornW | So the machine can be accessed by 10.0.0.x but not by 80.0.126.x or hostname.provider.ext |
| 12:00.14 | omry|work | liable, no. but I use apt-proxy on another machine, so its not very clear to tell what its actaully getting. |
| 12:00.20 | liable | omry|work: in any case , try putting that package on hold. |
| 12:00.36 | omry|work | liable, what do you mean? |
| 12:00.36 | terrencevak | Which package has readline? |
| 12:01.45 | omry|work | liable, it says libstartup-notification0-dev depends on libstartup-notification0 0.81, but I got 0.82. you mean trying to force it to use 0.81? |
| 12:02.33 | nvz | is there any way other than a reboot to kill a defunct process (status D) |
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| 12:04.04 | liable | omry|work: it means, apt knows there is a 0.82, from one of your sources. Actually holding it wont work unless you have 0.81 already installed, so get rid of your wierd sources, and just use debian ones. |
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| 12:04.19 | phretor_ | how about creating deb compatible source trees? |
| 12:04.20 | valdyn | nvz: kill the parent |
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| 12:04.48 | nvz | valdyn: process was cp, I killed the bash shell and the aterm I ran it from. |
| 12:05.01 | tombs | hi all |
| 12:05.06 | nvz | valdyn: its holding my flash drive hostage and wont let me unmount it |
| 12:05.22 | liable | omry|work: purge it, then get rid of your non-debian sources, then install again |
| 12:05.44 | nvz | valdyn: must be a short in the usb cable, I bumped it and the "Mass Storage" dissapeared on the screen and it lost connection during a copy |
| 12:05.59 | nvz | I am rebooting, this thing is pissing me off |
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| 12:06.17 | Fox_1_ | anyone have the oldest version of java plug-in?? |
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| 12:06.46 | nvz | Fox_1_: the oldest version of java plug-in?? |
| 12:06.52 | Fox_1_ | yes |
| 12:06.58 | omry|work | liable, maybe I gor things wrong with apt-proxy, but I think the machine with the problem only use testing as source. no ' |
| 12:07.01 | Fox_1_ | for IE, mozilla ... |
| 12:07.04 | omry|work | liable, maybe I gor things wrong with apt-proxy, but I think the machine with the problem only use testing as source. no 'wierd' sources. |
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| 12:07.24 | nvz | Fox_1_: lets suppose I have the _oldest_ version of java plugin. what do you plan to do with it? |
| 12:07.26 | ebw | Hello! |
| 12:07.32 | nvz | its not like it would work on your system |
| 12:07.35 | ebw | How can I turn off nerv crunching console beep? |
| 12:07.37 | yang26 | Is it possible to make an entry to debian pool with unrealircd? |
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| 12:07.47 | cahoot | ebw: man setterm |
| 12:07.47 | Fox_1_ | nvz, i want test my applet |
| 12:07.52 | ebw | thanks |
| 12:07.52 | Gnea | hrm |
| 12:07.53 | nvz | or it would do you any good anyhow |
| 12:07.55 | Fox_1_ | nvz, i want to test my applet |
| 12:08.06 | fusionfox | can anyone explain to me whats a run level? |
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| 12:08.15 | nvz | Fox_1_: so test it with the latest java plugin |
| 12:08.15 | valdyn | !runlevel |
| 12:08.15 | dpkg | it has been said that runlevel is 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels |
| 12:08.24 | valdyn | !runlevels |
| 12:08.24 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf' or 'file-rc' instead, |
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| 12:08.35 | Fox_1_ | nvz, no i need test it in oldest |
| 12:08.44 | valdyn | fusionfox: why are you trying to mess with runlevels? |
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| 12:08.49 | cheef_daniel | hi |
| 12:08.57 | nvz | Fox_1_: no, really.. you don't. older plugins wont even work. |
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| 12:09.08 | NyteRukh | anyone use splashimages for grub? |
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| 12:09.11 | Fox_1_ | nvz, listen, do you have? |
| 12:09.14 | fusionfox | valdyn, installing login.app to have an X login, and it is asking me in what run level i wanna put |
| 12:09.19 | Fox_1_ | nvz, yes or no. |
| 12:09.24 | valdyn | Fox_1_: IE even uses microsofts plugin by default, you cannot test that with linux applications |
| 12:09.28 | nvz | Fox_1_: no I dont have, because it would not work with my browser. |
| 12:09.42 | fusionfox | valdyn, but i dont know what to put =P it ask from 2 to 5 |
| 12:09.45 | liable | omry|work: well, you have gotten a weird dpkg available file from somewhere, cause sid and etch only have 0.81 |
| 12:09.53 | cheef_daniel | I have some troubles with hotplug, some modules are not loaded during boot? |
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| 12:10.05 | Fox_1_ | Valandil, i know, i need it for windows app. |
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| 12:10.19 | valdyn | fusionfox: put it in all from 2-5 |
| 12:10.20 | nvz | Fox_1_: you badly misunderstand how code works. you cant use a java plugin compiled with who knows what from 1992 or something with a modern browser compiled with gcc3 or gcc4 |
| 12:10.30 | liable | omry|work: and i just installed it myself, and i run sid.. |
| 12:10.32 | fusionfox | valdyn, thx =D |
| 12:10.43 | Fox_1_ | nvz, it's for windows |
| 12:11.05 | valdyn | Fox_1_: why are you asking in here for windows software? |
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| 12:11.36 | nvz | heh I got a kernel "badness" warning thats a first |
| 12:11.40 | liable | what is it with all the fox's tonight? |
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| 12:12.37 | acj | nvz: Mr T in your kernel? :) |
| 12:12.56 | omry|work | liable, so it seems. just tried on a different machine. it worked... |
| 12:13.00 | nvz | acj: I guess so |
| 12:13.13 | terrencevak | Never start a debian install at night... *real* bad idea! |
| 12:14.58 | NyteRukh | lol |
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| 12:15.14 | NyteRukh | im still configuring mine an i installed it last weekend |
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| 12:15.29 | NyteRukh | of course im a newbie..so that explains alot |
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| 12:15.52 | liable | NyteRukh: you never stop configuring :) |
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| 12:16.19 | terrencevak | NyteRukh: Yeah, so am I. I *really* should be *asleep* by now... but I'm still working on this. |
| 12:16.22 | NyteRukh | lol right now trying to figure out how to get kdm to let root login and the grub splashimages thingy |
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| 12:16.30 | NyteRukh | ahh ic terren |
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| 12:16.47 | liable | NyteRukh: you dont really want to do either.. |
| 12:16.54 | terrencevak | NyteRukh: You're farther than me. |
| 12:17.13 | NyteRukh | i know i can go to a console and then start the kdm |
| 12:17.17 | NyteRukh | y not? |
| 12:17.21 | liable | terrencevak: why dont you just use the d-i and install it to the spare disk? |
| 12:17.28 | NyteRukh | im the only one living here..and i know both pass |
| 12:17.37 | terrencevak | The di? |
| 12:17.38 | NyteRukh | and y not on the grub splashimages |
| 12:17.53 | liable | NyteRukh: root in x is not a good idea, and grub splash is a waste of time.. :) |
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| 12:18.22 | liable | !tell terrencevak about d-i |
| 12:18.24 | NyteRukh | lol k..was just doing trial an error on where to put that command line in the menu.ls |
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| 12:18.45 | omry|work | liable, tried to reinstall libstartup-notification0, and got : Reinstallation of libstartup-notification0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. this suggests that I got it from another source somehow. uninstalling it forces uninstallation of a whole bunch of things. so I don't want to do it. got any suggestions? |
| 12:19.18 | liable | omry|work: dpkg -r |
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| 12:19.34 | terrencevak | liable: Oh, duh! I'm doing the chroot because I can use my speech from my other OS to read the screen with. |
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| 12:20.06 | liable | terrencevak: oh, your seeing impaired? |
| 12:20.36 | terrencevak | liable: ©ep. So I kinda like to have the speech whenever possible. |
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| 12:20.38 | nvz | partially sighted, or visually impaired |
| 12:20.41 | Bombo | hi |
| 12:20.50 | NyteRukh | bombo hi |
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| 12:21.07 | Bombo | is it possible to automatically mount /dev/fd0 to /media/floppy when a disk is inserted? |
| 12:21.11 | Bombo | how? |
| 12:21.14 | liable | hah, yeah, visually impaired.. |
| 12:21.14 | terrencevak | nzv: Whatever gets the point across. `-) |
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| 12:21.35 | nvz | the manual on this mp3 player says not to format it, but I am tempted to do it anyhow |
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| 12:21.44 | nvz | its pissing me off today |
| 12:21.45 | Fantasia | Hi, folks. How can I apt-get install a package without apt-get requesting user intervention (I need this for cfengine)? I tried "apt-get -q -y install package" but it still asks for info. |
| 12:21.53 | terrencevak | Is there any special reason to have multiple apt-sources configured? |
| 12:21.57 | hansjoerg | is there any problem with the gcc4.x and the latest kernel? i get lots of "wrong module format" loading modules compiled with gcc 4. but i'm not sure if it's a gcc problem |
| 12:21.57 | Bombo | wasnt there something like automountd? |
| 12:21.58 | Bombo | E: Couldn't find package automountd |
| 12:22.03 | liable | terrencevak: no |
| 12:22.13 | bbrazil | Bombo: yes (kinda) automount |
| 12:22.31 | liable | terrencevak: so you are trying to do this by talking to your computer? |
| 12:22.43 | NyteRukh | apt-get install automount will let me stick a cdrom in the drive an listent to music? |
| 12:22.49 | nvz | terrencevak: just because you have bad sight is not excuse to mispell a three letter name. heh |
| 12:22.50 | Bombo | bbrazil: $ apt-get install automount E: Couldn't find package automount |
| 12:22.54 | liable | terrencevak: or rather, it talking to you? |
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| 12:23.05 | bbrazil | Bombo: apt-cache search |
| 12:23.05 | valdyn | NyteRukh: no |
| 12:23.12 | olorin | Bombo: autofs |
| 12:23.17 | omry|work | liable, dependency problems prevent removal of libstartup-notification0 |
| 12:23.33 | NyteRukh | mm have to chck that out...time to buy the debian bible from amanzon... |
| 12:23.38 | hansjoerg | how can i get rid of the oopadmin bug in debian? http://lists.debian.org/debian-openoffice/2003/10/msg00287.html |
| 12:23.45 | hansjoerg | i can's recompile openoffice |
| 12:23.58 | terrencevak | nvz: Sorry! I guess I accidently flipped it around. |
| 12:24.15 | nvz | the internal memory on this thing must be slow as hell I wrote 240MB or so to the external emmory before the internal emmory could write half that |
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| 12:24.27 | NyteRukh | terrencevaki: he's just funn ya |
| 12:24.32 | liable | omry|work: man dpkg --force-downgrade, --force-depends.. |
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| 12:25.24 | liable | omry|work: --force-lots-a-shit :) |
| 12:25.52 | linuxboy3131 | Do you know how to get Debian playing with a 600X? |
| 12:26.04 | NyteRukh | 600x ?? |
| 12:26.04 | linuxboy3131 | Oww! |
| 12:26.19 | linuxboy3131 | Yeah the Thinkpad model (600X) |
| 12:26.20 | olorin | linuxboy3131: 600x ? |
| 12:26.29 | NyteRukh | ah laptop |
| 12:26.34 | linuxboy3131 | Yeah... |
| 12:26.47 | olorin | linuxboy3131: what's the problem with this laptop ? |
| 12:26.48 | NyteRukh | you talking linking between desktop and the laptop |
| 12:26.55 | NyteRukh | ? |
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| 12:27.16 | Bombo | olorin: ok |
| 12:27.18 | Bombo | apt-get install autofs |
| 12:27.18 | linuxboy3131 | every time i try to start x it says there is no screen! |
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| 12:27.33 | NyteRukh | find the display model |
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| 12:27.36 | giupy | hi all |
| 12:27.40 | NyteRukh | whether i810 or such |
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| 12:28.08 | unisib | hello |
| 12:28.15 | liable | !tell linuxboy3131 about no screens found |
| 12:28.16 | linuxboy3131 | I'm not sure what display model it is but i do not wanto dismantle it! |
| 12:28.18 | olorin | linuxboy3131: check the resolution, driver and Hsync, Vsync in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 12:28.31 | NyteRukh | type discover i think at command |
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| 12:28.48 | olorin | linuxboy3131: check the /var/local/XFConfig-log |
| 12:29.04 | linuxboy3131 | the computer is just starting up... |
| 12:29.08 | NyteRukh | brb ya'll momma nature giving a buzz |
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| 12:30.02 | valdyn | !noscreensfound |
| 12:30.02 | dpkg | [noscreensfound] probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 12:31.07 | liable | linuxboy3131: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 12:32.18 | linuxboy3131 | I have to go, bye and thanku for your help! |
| 12:32.28 | olorin | linuxboy3131: ;) |
| 12:33.11 | linuxboy3131 | goo(d)by |
| 12:33.43 | omry|work | liable, fixed it : dpkg -r --force-all libstartup-notification0 , and than apt-get install libstartup-notification0 , thanks. |
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| 12:34.02 | Scognito | hi |
| 12:34.30 | liable | omry|work: np |
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| 12:34.59 | Scognito | i've done an apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday and hotplug was removed :( |
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| 12:35.07 | Scognito | i'm using sid |
| 12:35.14 | liable | Scognito: silly you :P |
| 12:35.28 | Scognito | if i try to install hotplug it says udev and gnome-desktop will be removed |
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| 12:35.35 | Scognito | liable, :) |
| 12:35.44 | liable | ahh, good old udev.. |
| 12:35.46 | row | Scognito: you should try reading apt-get's output next time ;) |
| 12:35.55 | liable | Scognito: downgrade the fucker. |
| 12:35.57 | Scognito | now i cannot even launch X because i don't have the device for mouse :/ |
| 12:36.01 | pharm | Grab the older version of udev from snapshot.debian.org & install it alongside hotplug then... |
| 12:36.12 | Scognito | row, eheh you are right |
| 12:36.18 | row | snapshots.debian.net not org iirc |
| 12:36.19 | liable | it should be in cache unles you cleaned it.. |
| 12:36.41 | Scognito | do you guys know the version? |
| 12:36.47 | Scognito | i'm on windows right now |
| 12:36.47 | marculix | Scognito: you can simulate a dist-upgrade using -s (for next time) |
| 12:36.49 | liable | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/07/04/debian/pool/main/u/udev/udev_0.060-1_i386.deb |
| 12:36.59 | Scognito | liable, tnx a lot |
| 12:37.00 | liable | get that, it works for me.. |
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| 12:37.38 | Scognito | i'll try soon |
| 12:37.42 | Scognito | tnx for the hint |
| 12:37.58 | Scognito | bye |
| 12:38.28 | liable | there should be a wiki or something for this damn udev problem.. |
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| 12:39.44 | liable | i think i might write something about it. |
| 12:39.44 | valdyn | just a new bug in sid, till hotplug gets updated |
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| 12:40.41 | liable | its a problem in etch too. |
| 12:40.59 | valdyn | liable: that is an entirely different problem |
| 12:41.11 | liable | and if you run gnome without a 2.6.12 then it wont upgrade |
| 12:42.04 | liable | valdyn: yes, but its a fair mess, there always seems to be people here with problems relating to it, that probably shouldnt happen. |
| 12:42.09 | olorin | valdyn: liable: what's the problem with udev in Etch ? Maybe i miss it *-) |
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| 12:42.26 | valdyn | olorin: etch's udev depends on kernel >= 2.6.12 |
| 12:42.35 | olorin | valdyn: yes and ? |
| 12:42.46 | liable | which hal and gvm depend on.. |
| 12:42.47 | valdyn | olorin: nothing else, its no big deal really |
| 12:43.02 | liable | and even alsa base if you have an old version.. |
| 12:43.10 | valdyn | olorin: but people tend to not be capable of reading the hints and upgrading their kernels |
| 12:43.11 | olorin | valdyn: lol, ok, i remember i had to upgrade the kernel but it was quite easy |
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| 12:43.35 | olorin | valdyn: thx :) |
| 12:43.40 | liable | valdyn: and if you want to keep an old kernel? it becomes unusable. |
| 12:43.48 | valdyn | liable: yea |
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| 12:44.12 | olorin | liable: why do you want to keep a old kernel ? |
| 12:44.50 | valdyn | it probably wont be a problem when etch is stable, but right now, upgrading within 2.6.12 always can yield new issues |
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| 12:45.00 | valdyn | ops, upgrading within 2.6.x even |
| 12:45.18 | liable | olorin: why shouldnt i be able to use a kernel that the distro ships with, and then becomes unusable due to a certain package? |
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| 12:45.25 | scognito | re |
| 12:45.26 | xelam | idiot |
| 12:45.32 | xelam | kcd that is |
| 12:45.55 | scognito | liable: can you post the site again please? i need hotplug 20040329-17 |
| 12:46.13 | liable | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/07/04/debian/pool/main/u/udev/udev_0.060-1_i386.deb |
| 12:46.34 | scognito | tnx |
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| 12:46.38 | tarzeau | i wonder how others manage 10/50/100/500+ debian sarge machines (workstations) |
| 12:46.59 | tarzeau | do there exist people that manage similar amounts of computers with automatively? |
| 12:47.00 | nvz | I was reading the friendly's ice cream container.. and it says "Put an ice cream shop in your freezer" and I am thinking to myself.. whats the point, you cant make any money that way. people arent walking around in my freezer.. and even if they were its so cold, they wouldnt want to buy ice cream.. |
| 12:47.22 | liable | hah |
| 12:47.32 | olorin | liable: well, 2.6.12 or 2.6.11 doesn't make any difference for me ... but i agree with you however, don't forget you're on a testing branch ... |
| 12:47.42 | terrencevak | Hehehe. But that's figurative. |
| 12:47.56 | valdyn | olorin: it was ugly when 2.6.12 was not in etch but the udev depended on it |
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| 12:48.54 | valdyn | ...which could only happen b/c the udev maintainer first 'forgot' about that dependency |
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| 12:49.28 | terrencevak | I just installed libreadline, but debconf says it can't find it. |
| 12:49.57 | olorin | valdyn: maybe i miss this dependencies problem during my stay abroad 'cause i upgrade very often my testing box and don't meet this problem |
| 12:50.11 | valdyn | olorin: /nod |
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| 12:50.30 | liable | and images < 2.6.12 are still in etch.. |
| 12:50.45 | valdyn | liable: thats ok, no one has to use ude |
| 12:50.45 | olorin | valdyn: /nod ? what does it mean ? |
| 12:50.46 | valdyn | liable: thats ok, no one has to use udev |
| 12:51.01 | liable | valdyn: unless you use hal or gvm |
| 12:51.06 | valdyn | olorin: everquest chat term |
| 12:51.14 | olorin | valdyn: lol ok |
| 12:51.20 | liable | olorin: for the gory details.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325484 |
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| 12:51.39 | olorin | liable: thx, i will read this carrefully |
| 12:51.44 | liable | valdyn: so if you use gnome, you sorta do need udev |
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| 12:52.19 | valdyn | liable: yea, unless i got out of my way to avoid installing gnome-volume-manager, i agree its not nice |
| 12:52.34 | liable | valdyn: i couldnt even upgrade als-base bacause of it on my etch box, untill i upgraded to 0.6 |
| 12:53.12 | nvz | nothing like ice cream for breakfast on a cold morning |
| 12:53.15 | liable | valdyn: then i just removed it from disgust, but i got it on hold on my sid box, and all is fine. |
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| 12:54.39 | liable | its a shame, cause it actually works well, its just this whole dependancy thin thats a fuck |
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| 12:55.12 | nvz | well it was a long hard battle with my mp3 player this morning, but looks like I came out on top |
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| 12:56.47 | liable | ie, most of your automount apps depend on it, and its a damn good thing for the debian desktop. |
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| 12:57.08 | microsys | i have to run alsaconf after every boot or sound won`t run, but alsaconf does not really change anything, just reloading drivers. Should i reload them myself? |
| 12:57.16 | liable | for usb shits i mean.. |
| 12:57.20 | Scorpionssss | www.kolejchat.com/gamzeozcelik.exe programmer? |
| 12:57.27 | valdyn | microsys: add the hardware driver to /etc/modules |
| 12:57.33 | microsys | they are |
| 12:57.39 | olorin | microsys: put the right module in /etc/modules |
| 12:57.46 | nvz | I was just about to dig $0.20 out of the couch or somewhere and go pay my dues.. but looks like the library doesnt open until 1pm today. thats 4 hours from now. |
| 12:57.57 | liable | microsys: try running alsamixer, set your levels, then alsactl store |
| 12:57.58 | valdyn | microsys: what is exactly not working after a reboot then? the oss emulation layer? |
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| 12:58.55 | microsys | no, Alsa, instead of sound running it just hang up the player .. |
| 12:59.34 | valdyn | microsys: cat /proc/asound/cards before and after running alsaconf |
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| 13:00.04 | Scorpionssss | www.kolejchat.com/gamzeozcelik.exe programmer? |
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| 13:00.17 | valdyn | microsys: do the same for 'lsmod', paste it somewhere for us to read |
| 13:00.22 | liable | Scorpionssss: stop spamming |
| 13:00.39 | nvz | heh |
| 13:00.53 | nvz | mirc users and their fucktard scripts |
| 13:01.07 | Rothgar | ;P |
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| 13:01.54 | microsys | valdyn sound works fine |
| 13:02.16 | microsys | just after boot the same modules are loaded as after running alsaconf |
| 13:02.22 | microsys | but no sound coming |
| 13:02.36 | nvz | you get 3 points deducted from your IQ just for starting MIRC, another 4 for connecting to a server other than efnet or dalnet, and who knows how many for running war scripts |
| 13:02.45 | valdyn | microsys: i still need the info i asked for |
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| 13:02.51 | microsys | es1371 - snd_everything ;P |
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| 13:03.15 | microsys | and snd_everything_oss |
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| 13:03.30 | liable | microsys: help us help you, and do as valdyn says |
| 13:03.42 | liable | !tell microsys about paster |
| 13:03.50 | olorin | valdyn: i just read your comment about 'cat /proc/asound/... ' just before launching alsaconf and then i just resolve an old problem on my office desktop computer |
| 13:04.14 | microsys | i`m done, i just reload them via script -> sound works |
| 13:04.20 | olorin | valdyn: what's the reason why my souncard works now with your trick *-) |
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| 13:04.46 | microsys | actually i think, the driver were loaded too early, as some thing has been missing until then |
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| 13:05.07 | valdyn | olorin: no trick there, if your sound works after running alsaconf then that has to do with alsaconf, the 'cat.. ' has nothing to do with it |
| 13:05.10 | albertinoo | hello, I have installed linux Debian on my laptop I need to know how i can uninstall it as to the Grub programm... it gives le an error message when i boot my machine. |
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| 13:05.34 | terrencevak | :Is now setting up his kernel; hoping to have the thing up and running by the time he either *does* go to bed or has to go for choir. |
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| 13:05.57 | olorin | valdyn: ok, so it's just a coincidence :p maybe the alsa module were upgraded recently |
| 13:06.11 | lord_rob | Hi ! Can I safely remove /etc/network/options now that it is deprecated in sid ? |
| 13:06.14 | valdyn | olorin: if you got a new kernel, sure then |
| 13:06.22 | terrencevak | How long do kernels usually take to download? |
| 13:06.39 | liable | terrencevak: depends on your connection |
| 13:06.40 | ^Duffy^ | terrencevak: wouldnt you think that would depend on your connection? |
| 13:06.40 | valdyn | terrencevak: how should we guess your internet link speed? |
| 13:07.02 | wOOt | lol |
| 13:07.05 | terrencevak | True; it's a pretty standard cable connection. |
| 13:07.39 | liable | terrencevak: then, it takes as long as a standard connection takes ;P |
| 13:07.50 | valdyn | terrencevak: hey, i have a standard nvidia card, how many fps do i get in quake3 ? |
| 13:07.52 | olorin | terrencevak: lol, pretty standard, so it will be pretty fast/slow :p |
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| 13:08.01 | wOOt | hahaha |
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| 13:08.14 | liable | !moo |
| 13:08.14 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 13:08.18 | lord_rob | terrencevak: about 2 minutes with my dsl link |
| 13:08.34 | albertinoo | hello, I have installed linux Debian on my laptop I need to know how i can uninstall it as to the Grub programm... it gives le an error message when i boot my machine.any help pls it's urgent |
| 13:09.02 | liable | albertinoo: please make that more understandable. |
| 13:09.06 | terrencevak | *lol dpkg's cow comments |
| 13:09.15 | lord_rob | albertinoo: boot on a windows rescue disk, then fdisk c: /mbr |
| 13:09.16 | terrencevak | *Belatedly perhaps |
| 13:09.52 | terrencevak | Side note: how *do* I find out my connection speed anyway? |
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| 13:10.15 | liable | terrencevak: prolly from your modem. |
| 13:10.26 | liable | or isp :) |
| 13:10.32 | lord_rob | terrencevak: try apt-get install linux-source-2.6.13 |
| 13:10.43 | Rothgar | Run a speed test off a website |
| 13:10.43 | valdyn | terrencevak: so you pay for something and dont know what you are actually paying for? |
| 13:10.45 | lord_rob | you will see your download speed |
| 13:10.54 | wOOt | terrencevak: maybe with a online speed test? |
| 13:11.00 | liable | albertinoo: you want to remove grub from the mbr? |
| 13:11.13 | albertinoo | i am running on XP and installed Partition Magic Boot and formatted the partition where Debian is installed then when i rebooted my machine it gave me error msg 117 something related to GRUB |
| 13:11.29 | cahoot | valdyn: he wanted to know what he gets - not what he pays for |
| 13:11.31 | albertinoo | liable yes remove it |
| 13:11.33 | NyteRukh | did you install to mbr |
| 13:11.36 | lord_rob | albertinoo: fdisk /mbr, as I said |
| 13:11.41 | terrencevak | Well, there wasn't any choices. It's this ISP or no ISP. `-) |
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| 13:11.50 | liable | ahh 117 is a 2.6 kernel trick, google it. |
| 13:12.10 | Fantasia | Can apt-get /somehow/ pass parameters to debconf? |
| 13:12.22 | liable | albertinoo: use your windows cd, fixmbr |
| 13:12.24 | valdyn | Fantasia: what kind of? |
| 13:12.32 | terrencevak | BTW, isn't it linux-image? Or should I have used source? |
| 13:13.29 | ian_ | looking for a package recommendation...an answering machine with an advanced GUI, MVM is ok but I'm looking for something a little more feature rich. |
| 13:13.37 | Fantasia | valdyn: I want to apt-get install packages without /any/ user interaction. |
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| 13:13.46 | asdf1234 | hey - i've got a really simple question - I've got a variable with a few different things in it separate by spaces, how do I separate this into several different variables? |
| 13:13.48 | liable | albertinoo: patition magic pukes and gives the 117 error for some reason with a 2.6 kernel, google the error |
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| 13:13.55 | valdyn | Fantasia: 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' |
| 13:14.14 | valdyn | Fantasia: i dont know to what extent its possible to instal w/o interaction at all though |
| 13:14.26 | albertinoo | ok thank you guys i will try ...ciao |
| 13:14.27 | Fantasia | valdyn: but this command itself requires user interaction ... |
| 13:14.31 | tarzeau | does someone run a debian kernel and can check the /boot/config* files for me if any of them have HIGHMEM64G set to y? |
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| 13:15.02 | valdyn | Fantasia: so? 'apt-get install somestuff' is user interaction too. Debconf cannot guess what you want. |
| 13:15.03 | bbrazil | valdyn: fully, there's a package to repackage things with your settings |
| 13:15.22 | valdyn | bbrazil: interesting, what's it called? |
| 13:15.23 | Fantasia | valdyn: I want to automate package installation with cfengine. |
| 13:15.35 | bbrazil | valdyn: If I knew I'd tell you |
| 13:16.00 | valdyn | Fantasia: never used cfengine |
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| 13:16.45 | ian_ | Dust? |
| 13:16.52 | ian_ | Anybody....? |
| 13:16.55 | ian_ | no.... |
| 13:16.58 | ian_ | Dust? |
| 13:17.16 | tarzeau | ian_: i have 1cm of dust on my mips |
| 13:17.20 | tarzeau | ian_: you want some? |
| 13:17.24 | liable | tarzeau: # CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set |
| 13:17.24 | liable | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 13:17.24 | liable | # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set |
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| 13:17.43 | tarzeau | liable: have a 2.4.27-2-k7 with no HIGHMEM set to y |
| 13:17.58 | liable | tarzeau: thats 2.6.8-2 |
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| 13:17.59 | tarzeau | liable: 64GB kernels don't seem to exist, i've got bunch of machines ... |
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| 13:18.50 | liable | tarzeau: its an option, but not set. |
| 13:18.52 | liable | ? |
| 13:19.23 | tarzeau | liable: yes, means you can compile your own kernel with it |
| 13:20.06 | liable | yerp |
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| 13:20.57 | liable | tarzeau: so make one :) |
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| 13:21.23 | tarzeau | liable: i build 14 kernels, each time i upgrade kernels :) |
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| 13:21.33 | liable | its not even default on .13 |
| 13:21.38 | terrencevak | *debates whether he dares trying to go to bed with only 4.5 hours to spare... |
| 13:21.58 | liable | terrencevak: might as well stay up now :) |
| 13:21.59 | tarzeau | liable: i doubt you can ever use a default www.kernel.org config that'll work for more than 50% of people |
| 13:22.32 | terrencevak | liable: Either that or just e-mail my ride ant tell 'em to forget me. |
| 13:22.40 | liable | tarzeau: well, you dont generally leave it default i guess... |
| 13:22.47 | terrencevak | But I don't quite want to do that. |
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| 13:23.14 | liable | terrencevak: well, go to bed! |
| 13:23.34 | terrencevak | liable: But I might not wake up in time. |
| 13:23.45 | tine | does anyone recommend a suite for linux server monitoring? :) |
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| 13:23.50 | terrencevak | Don't want Dave having to wake me up. |
| 13:24.00 | liable | terrencevak: email em, and tell em to bang on your window :) |
| 13:24.24 | terrencevak | liable: Yeah, may just have to do that... |
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| 13:24.48 | N4N01D | Nagios tine? |
| 13:25.13 | terrencevak | liable: Or have 'em call me just before they leave... though that would be only 3 hrs... |
| 13:25.22 | terrencevak | liable: Catch ya then. Thanks man! |
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| 13:25.38 | liable | np |
| 13:25.45 | tarzeau | tine: http://bb4.com/ |
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| 13:27.34 | Scognito | liable, what version of hotplug do you use? |
| 13:28.03 | terrencevak | Yeah!!!! 90% done with this kermel!!!!! |
| 13:28.08 | Scognito | i'm using hotplug 0.0.20040329-25 and udev 0.060-1 |
| 13:28.12 | liable | 0.0.20040329-25 |
| 13:28.37 | Scognito | but it freezes at first 2 lines of the boot process |
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| 13:29.04 | Scognito | have you experienced this problem? |
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| 13:29.15 | liable | ii udev 0.060-1 |
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| 13:29.35 | Ackbahr | Hello! |
| 13:29.54 | liable | Scognito: works fine here. |
| 13:30.21 | Ackbahr | I'm having troubles downloading DVD images for Debian installs, using Jigdo.... Does someone know if there's something wrong with it? |
| 13:31.08 | liable | Scognito: just started after downgrading udev? |
| 13:32.31 | Scognito | i'll be more precise after the reboot |
| 13:32.34 | pasc | I'm re-enabling it now |
| 13:32.35 | pasc | gah |
| 13:32.37 | pasc | wrong window |
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| 13:35.13 | liable | name another package that causes as many problems as udev, and i will show a night on the town, in downtown Normanton |
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| 13:36.29 | tarzeau | Ackbahr: do you really need dvd images? |
| 13:36.57 | Scognito | "Creating devices nodes...." and then i see about 20 message of this: "unknown volume type" |
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| 13:37.20 | liable | Scognito: so you dont even get a console? |
| 13:37.24 | Scognito | the problem seems udev related since i'm on 2.4 now and hotplug works |
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| 13:37.40 | Scognito | liable that is the 5th file in the boot process |
| 13:37.45 | liable | Scognito: udev doesnt work with 2.4 |
| 13:37.47 | Scognito | just after initrd |
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| 13:37.58 | liable | or < 2.6.8 |
| 13:38.14 | Scognito | liable, i know...but since the kernel 2.4 boots i assume the problem is udev related |
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| 13:38.36 | liable | Scognito: remove it, then boot, then start diagnosing |
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| 13:38.51 | Scognito | i have 2.6.12 also |
| 13:39.00 | Scognito | remove udev you mean? |
| 13:39.01 | liable | Scognito: let it remove hal and friends |
| 13:39.03 | liable | yes |
| 13:39.05 | Scognito | ok |
| 13:39.29 | Scognito | hal and friends...lol |
| 13:39.32 | Scognito | rebooting |
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| 13:44.10 | jazzyboy | hello to everybody. I have a question, after I upgraded to sarge everytime I boot my box the kernel shows messages like "mount: wrong fs type, bad option..." referring to tmpfs. |
| 13:44.12 | penguin42 | With a USB printer CUPS will take the printer offline if the printer is switched off (message I see is sensibly something like /dev/usb/lp0 no such device) - but can it be made to auto reenable it? |
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| 13:44.49 | penguin42 | jazzyboy: Does tmpfs show in your /proc/filesystems? |
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| 13:45.18 | jazzyboy | yes there is but I didn't choose it in the kernel, I don't want such a filesystem |
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| 13:45.47 | penguin42 | jazzyboy: Oh, is there an entry in /etc/fstab that's asking for it? |
| 13:45.48 | C_J_Pro | I am trying to set up sendmail yet it conflicts with postfix. I need to have both installed though. Anyway to fix this? |
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| 13:46.19 | jazzyboy | penguin42: no, not in fstab |
| 13:46.19 | penguin42 | C_J_Pro: Run one on a different port - think carefully about what you want each one to do |
| 13:46.56 | jazzyboy | penguin42: I thought about removing the directory /dev/shm but I don't know if it's safe |
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| 13:47.21 | C_J_Pro | I've installed both of them a few days ago and it worked perfectly, but I've had to redo the system and the packages must have been updated |
| 13:47.23 | jazzyboy | penguin42: the /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs script checks for it |
| 13:47.32 | penguin42 | jazzyboy: You really don't want to do that - /dev/shm is good |
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| 13:48.31 | jazzyboy | penguin42: what do you suggest me instead to remove such a message? |
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| 13:48.45 | liable | ai3: you idiot |
| 13:48.56 | penguin42 | jazzyboy: I'm confused, are you saying it only does it if you remove tmpfs from the kernel? |
| 13:49.45 | terrencevak | I installed the linux-image... package for my kernel, and it told me I need to do some kind of do_initrd setting in lilo.conf. Does anyone know what the full setting might have been? |
| 13:50.17 | alexx860 | whats the best irc client in console mode? |
| 13:50.17 | terrencevak | Also, is there a way to search back through shell output? |
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| 13:50.27 | liable | !best irc client |
| 13:50.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 13:50.28 | jazzyboy | penguin42: not exactly, I didn't try to include tmpfs in the kernel, I just don't have it and don't want it and all the time I get this message |
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| 13:51.05 | liable | terrencevak: yes, ~/.bash_history |
| 13:51.07 | penguin42 | jazzyboy: Shrug - in that case your going to have to find out whats trying to use it - personally I'd leave it in the kernel |
| 13:51.10 | nakeee | is there a debian package for mozilla-thunderbird 1.5? |
| 13:51.16 | liable | terrencevak: install grub |
| 13:51.24 | liable | terrencevak: and go to bed! |
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| 13:51.46 | EvilBastard | hello, When I boot I get to loading services it blinks for awhile then it crashes then it takes around 10min to get the OS up. It just hangs. Alot of programs like kpackage are really annoyingly slow. Ive turned the graphics down but dosent seem to help. 800mhz/128mb ram |
| 13:51.47 | caphuso | jazzyboy: you realize that not having a tmpfs on /dev/shm will make your libc6 unhappy when a program wants to use POSIX shared memory, right? |
| 13:51.47 | olorin | liable: ~/.bash_history don't really correspond to the bash output |
| 13:52.03 | jazzyboy | penguin42: I understand |
| 13:52.15 | liable | olorin: you cant get anything to output, its a history of input commands |
| 13:52.54 | liable | and i misunderstood the question.. sorry |
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| 13:53.00 | zweideutig | caphuso: Unhappy? Don't anthropomerphize software. |
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| 13:53.11 | terrencevak | True. .bash_history only shows what commands you've used. What I want to see is the results of past commands. |
| 13:53.19 | krisi | how can i download debian packages without using apt? are they on the ftp servers? |
| 13:53.19 | penguin42 | zweideutig: Why not - software needs love to. |
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| 13:53.45 | penguin42 | krisi: Yes, just go to your favorite debian ftp server and go into /debian/pool |
| 13:53.47 | liable | terrencevak: only way is to scroll in your open term, or run em again |
| 13:53.52 | kairo | how can I remove ata_piix from initrd? It's necessary recompile the debian kernel (src)? |
| 13:53.56 | krisi | penguin42, thanks |
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| 13:54.22 | olorin | nakeee: thunderbird 1.5 ? |
| 13:54.29 | rethiak | kairo: Why would you want to do that? And no, you should be able to abuse mkinitrd, but I don't know how. |
| 13:54.29 | jazzyboy | caphuso: no, I didn't know that |
| 13:54.30 | jazzyboy | caphuso: so should I include it? |
| 13:54.38 | olorin | nakeee: the last version is 1.0.7 isn't it ? |
| 13:54.38 | jazzyboy | caphuso: won't it take part of the memory uselessly? |
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| 13:54.45 | terrencevak | liable: Is there a way to scroll in a non-x terminal? |
| 13:54.52 | caphuso | jazzyboy: maybe a few kilobytes |
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| 13:55.21 | liable | terrencevak: shift+pageup |
| 13:55.21 | kairo | rethiak: the kernel 2.6.8 making not free my ide0. :( |
| 13:55.26 | caphuso | and you can't really disable tmpfs anyway, you can just remove the parts that are visible from user space |
| 13:55.28 | jazzyboy | caphuso: should I edit /etc/default/tmpfs to give a size? |
| 13:55.29 | rethiak | kairo: I see. |
| 13:55.32 | terrencevak | 'Cause I don't want to install the kernel again *just* to find that config line.... |
| 13:55.32 | kairo | rethiak: sorry my english please. |
| 13:55.40 | caphuso | jazzyboy: the default is probably fine |
| 13:55.40 | rethiak | kairo: *shrug* Sorry, can't help there. What is your native language? |
| 13:55.43 | olorin | terrencevak: MAJ-PageUp, scrollLock |
| 13:56.04 | jazzyboy | caphuso: I understand, I'll go that way then thanks a lot |
| 13:56.06 | kairo | rethiak: I'm brazilian, my native lang is portuguese |
| 13:56.12 | liable | *thrug* |
| 13:56.19 | Phated | Heh. |
| 13:56.42 | caphuso | you probably only need to make it smaller if you were going to use a ramdisk or something that seriously decreases the amount of available RAM |
| 13:57.08 | terrencevak | Shift-pageup doesn't do anything. |
| 13:57.08 | jazzyboy | caphuso: thank you very much |
| 13:57.26 | liable | terrencevak: try ctrl then |
| 13:57.42 | EvilBastard | oh humm mabey Ill smash it with a hammer |
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| 13:57.58 | terrencevak | Nope; all I get is ~. |
| 13:58.06 | dorto | i was planning to install oracle 10g r2 on debian. any positive or negative experiences? |
| 13:58.23 | rethiak | !br |
| 13:58.24 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:58.25 | liable | oh well, me sleeps |
| 13:58.25 | rethiak | kairo: ^^ |
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| 13:59.32 | kairo | rethiak: thanks, I'm in the debian-br :) |
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| 14:00.59 | N4N01D | Hi, when i try and connect to get the apt sources during setup, to any of the HTTP/FTP uk links i times out, however when ping them in the shell i get a response, anyone have any ideas i could try? |
| 14:01.49 | EvilBastard | weirdness I had WinXP on the same computer and it ran 10x faster my headache is getting bigger Ive spent the last 4 days trying to figure it out |
| 14:01.57 | penguin42 | N4N01D: Hmm - ftp.uk.debian.org is ok from here |
| 14:02.09 | N4N01D | yea i can ping it no problem from the shell |
| 14:02.13 | penguin42 | EvilBastard: Faster doing what? |
| 14:02.22 | N4N01D | but when i select it in the apt-setup it doesnt seem to connect |
| 14:02.23 | penguin42 | N4N01D: Is the ping showing the correct IP address? |
| 14:02.32 | N4N01D | its not even resolving in the setup |
| 14:02.36 | penguin42 | hmm |
| 14:02.38 | terrencevak | Is this a problem? And/or is there something I should do about it? Warning: Partition 1 on /dev/hda is not marked Active. |
| 14:02.51 | penguin42 | N4N01D: And from the shell you can ftp ? |
| 14:03.05 | N4N01D | aint tried it yet ill try it now |
| 14:03.11 | EvilBastard | Im having a slow ass OS loading problem and some programs like kpackage hang |
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| 14:03.14 | N4N01D | but even the http doesnt work |
| 14:03.28 | EvilBastard | I typed the problem up there ---^ |
| 14:03.40 | penguin42 | N4N01D: To me it sounds like your network card isn't coming up during the setup |
| 14:03.42 | EvilBastard | hello, When I boot I get to loading services it blinks for awhile then it crashes then it takes around 10min to get the OS up. It just hangs. Alot of programs like kpackage are really annoyingly slow. Ive turned the graphics down but dosent seem to help. 800mhz/128mb ram |
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| 14:04.13 | N4N01D | (im running it in MS Virtual PC btw) |
| 14:04.16 | penguin42 | EvilBastard: What do you mean by 'loading services' - you mean in the Gnome startup? Or before that |
| 14:04.28 | EvilBastard | in the start up |
| 14:04.30 | penguin42 | N4N01D: Yeech......but OK |
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| 14:04.43 | penguin42 | EvilBastard: In which startup - the Gnome startup or the main system startup? |
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| 14:04.57 | EvilBastard | gnome |
| 14:05.00 | N4N01D | i know, but installing on my sata2 raid array is too hard for a newbie like me :P |
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| 14:05.13 | nabz | hey guys! im like a n00b to linux lol and i wanna sort out my resolution.. atm it only goes to 800x :( |
| 14:05.33 | stew | !drxx nabz |
| 14:05.34 | penguin42 | N4N01D: So, when your running the setup and you get to that point do a ctrl-f2 and get a shell and see what the network looks like from there - try an ifconfig -a |
| 14:05.34 | dpkg | nabz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:05.54 | nabz | i did that but it screwed up lol |
| 14:05.54 | penguin42 | EvilBastard: Has it always done that or did it just start doing it one day? |
| 14:06.09 | nabz | i dunno what to set in there |
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| 14:06.20 | N4N01D | ok i get my eth0 ipaddres sis signed, broadcast, snmask etc |
| 14:06.28 | EvilBastard | started after 2 boot ups same thing with another computer I loaded it on |
| 14:06.41 | penguin42 | N4N01D: Even in the setup when it can't get anywhere? |
| 14:06.48 | N4N01D | yup |
| 14:07.10 | penguin42 | N4N01D: And from that alt-f2 shell can you ping things? |
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| 14:07.29 | Scognito | removing udev everything works.. |
| 14:07.37 | Scognito | i'll wait for next udev |
| 14:07.37 | EvilBastard | the other computer has 512mb of ram and a higher graphics |
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| 14:08.08 | EvilBastard | I just installed it 4 days ago on my laptop |
| 14:08.13 | N4N01D | hmm it seems not now, in the alt+f2 its saying unknown host |
| 14:08.21 | penguin42 | EvilBastard: You might be better asking on one of the Gnome specialist channels; one place to look at is ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 14:08.25 | N4N01D | cd / |
| 14:08.25 | nabz | could someone help me fix my resolution? |
| 14:08.35 | airox | Hi. Is there a way to chmod a directory so everything created in it will have group write and read permissions ? |
| 14:08.36 | EvilBastard | ok thanks |
| 14:08.40 | airox | I know about umask. |
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| 14:08.58 | penguin42 | N4N01D: Good - we have some consistency! So can you paste the output of that ifconfig eth0 somewhere (not here) - anyone know a good pastebot? |
| 14:09.10 | N4N01D | yea i know one |
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| 14:09.32 | terrencevak | You could do chmod a=rwx -R <directory> |
| 14:09.39 | rethiak | !paste |
| 14:09.39 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 14:09.47 | roboo | hi.. |
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| 14:09.55 | NabZ | is dpkg a bot? lol |
| 14:10.00 | roboo | i added bttv module to modules.conf and modules file in etc directory |
| 14:10.00 | EvilBastard | how do you know if your swap is working? |
| 14:10.01 | terrencevak | And for the pastebot, there's ... yeah, what dpkg just said. |
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| 14:10.11 | roboo | but how can i specify bttv card and tuner numbers ? |
| 14:10.14 | rethiak | NabZ: No, he's a real human being with very, very quick fingers. |
| 14:10.20 | airox | Apache creates uploaded files in /tmp/www with user www-data and group www-data and user has only rw rights. Now after the uploading the files should be scanned on virusses. This I want to do with clamav daemon that's running as clamav user. But it can't access the files offcourse. |
| 14:10.26 | NabZ | lol |
| 14:10.52 | airox | So I need files created in those dirs to have same right as the dir. |
| 14:10.59 | EvilBastard | is there a -is my swap actually working command? |
| 14:11.04 | NabZ | grr.. could someone please help me with my resolution problem, i screwed up somany times! i erinstalled debian 4yimes today lol |
| 14:11.20 | penguin42 | airox: You can use a setguid on the direcotry to do that - but be damn careful that it isn't going to make your webserver insecure |
| 14:11.39 | N4N01D | penguin42 : http://channels.debian.net/paste/874. |
| 14:11.45 | penguin42 | NabZ: That's 3 times too many - ok, what graphics card have you got and what res do you think you should get |
| 14:12.08 | NabZ | i should get 1024 coz i got it on windows and i got some 128mb gfx card |
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| 14:12.30 | airox | penguin42, that's something i tried, apache created files with www-data:clamav then. |
| 14:12.31 | penguin42 | N4N01D: OK that looks good - is that the IP you expect? can you ping things by IP address ok? |
| 14:12.45 | airox | But well... still only rw rights on user. Nothing on the group. |
| 14:12.56 | N4N01D | i set that ip manually, yes, i also set the resolv.conf manually with my isp's dns |
| 14:13.10 | airox | or the world. |
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| 14:13.18 | N4N01D | however i cant ping my router now :s |
| 14:13.18 | rethiak | !drxx NabZ |
| 14:13.18 | dpkg | NabZ: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:13.35 | NabZ | yup but i dunno what to set in there lol |
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| 14:14.20 | rethiak | NabZ: Tell it your video card model, tell it what your screen can do, choose which resolutions you want. HTH HAND |
| 14:14.35 | NabZ | dunno what model my card is |
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| 14:14.44 | drac | NabZ: lspci |
| 14:14.47 | NabZ | ? |
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| 14:15.00 | penguin42 | N4N01D: Did you add a route by hand to the gateway? |
| 14:15.05 | N4N01D | yup |
| 14:15.13 | N4N01D | gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 14:15.24 | N4N01D | loopback pings ok tho |
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| 14:16.06 | NabZ | ok i no which card i got.. its a ASUS 2d/3d graphics and video aceelerator |
| 14:16.22 | penguin42 | N4N01D: Weird |
| 14:16.48 | N4N01D | hmm just after i pinged the loopback i tried 0.75 and that worked, then i tried 0.1 (my gateway) |
| 14:16.53 | N4N01D | and now it does work |
| 14:16.56 | penguin42 | NabZ: Hmm OK, ASUS don't make graphics chips themselves - I'm guessing its either an ATI or an Nvidia (not sure which) |
| 14:17.12 | NabZ | think its ATI |
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| 14:17.36 | NabZ | what should i put for the identifyer? |
| 14:17.45 | penguin42 | NabZ: OK, so when you are answering the questions in the dpkg-reconfigure are there any questions you are unsure of? The identifier doesn't matter |
| 14:17.53 | NabZ | ok |
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| 14:18.02 | NabZ | vus identifer? |
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| 14:18.06 | NabZ | bus* |
| 14:18.14 | penguin42 | N4N01D: OK, so if that is pinging can you ping by name now? |
| 14:18.14 | EvilBastard | is Grub or lilo better? |
| 14:18.21 | penguin42 | EvilBastard: I generally prefer Grub |
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| 14:18.32 | EvilBastard | Im using it now |
| 14:18.36 | penguin42 | EvilBastard: But if you are doing a RAID / then I have had better look using lilo |
| 14:18.39 | EvilBastard | did use lilo b4 |
| 14:18.43 | penguin42 | nod |
| 14:18.43 | NabZ | what sould i put for the bus identifyer? |
| 14:18.48 | N4N01D | hmm i think it might be a gateway issue, i cant ping www.google.com or my dns servers, so its not hitting my router for the inet access |
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| 14:18.51 | penguin42 | NabZ: Leave it empty |
| 14:18.53 | NabZ | ok |
| 14:19.00 | NabZ | memory? 128? |
| 14:19.05 | N4N01D | however i can ping everything on my internal network |
| 14:19.06 | penguin42 | NabZ: Leave it empty |
| 14:19.06 | EvilBastard | ok |
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| 14:19.33 | penguin42 | N4N01D: Are you sure your gateway is set correctly - perhaps you have to do something on the host your running your virtualpc on - is a firewall on the host stopping it? |
| 14:20.01 | N4N01D | yea wondering is it coz its using bridged networking or some thing like that |
| 14:20.02 | NabZ | ok done |
| 14:20.10 | NabZ | well im gonna reboot and try it out :D |
| 14:20.13 | NabZ | wish me luck lol |
| 14:20.19 | penguin42 | NabZ: You don't need to reboot |
| 14:20.24 | NabZ | oo dont i? |
| 14:20.28 | EvilBastard | I have no raid so Ill just use Grub sounds like a name of a 12th century warlord - Grub the destroyer |
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| 14:20.35 | penguin42 | NabZ: Of course not - this is Linux; just restart X |
| 14:20.57 | NabZ | lol how? lmao soz im a real big n00b |
| 14:21.02 | penguin42 | EvilBastard: Grub is good; it lets you get out of a lot of nasty problems |
| 14:21.07 | Niriven | Nabz: ctrl-alt-backspace |
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| 14:21.24 | Niriven | whoot. |
| 14:21.24 | penguin42 | Niriven: Only from within X! |
| 14:21.27 | EvilBastard | lol |
| 14:21.47 | _karma_ | lol |
| 14:21.50 | Niriven | I think i forgot to tell him to type startx to start it back up. |
| 14:21.56 | EvilBastard | I wonder if NaBz hit ctrl alt backspace when he left just now |
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| 14:22.08 | kairo | rethiak: success ;) I |
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| 14:22.32 | terrencevak | In dpkg -l output, what does un mean next to a package? |
| 14:22.40 | raz0 | penguin42, Sure, you just have to restart X afterwards. |
| 14:22.41 | abrotman | uninstalled |
| 14:22.43 | Phated | penguin42: It rewrites the config, but you need to restart X in any case. |
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| 14:23.07 | penguin42 | nod - I was just thinking if there was any autodetect stuff in there it might not work with X going |
| 14:23.08 | abrotman | terrencevak: it's a bit more than that .. man dpkg should tell you |
| 14:23.42 | abrotman | terrencevak: and what i just said makes zero sense .. |
| 14:23.50 | penguin42 | best place |
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| 14:24.41 | terrencevak | OK, thanks. For some reason, apt can't find libterm-readline. Should I change sources, or am I entering something wrong? |
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| 14:25.09 | _daddy_ | exit |
| 14:25.18 | MrLame | terren: apt-cache search libterm >> outputfile |
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| 14:25.32 | MrLame | check the output file for a change in the package name :) |
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| 14:25.45 | nabz | ok guys it works :D thanx a bunch |
| 14:25.47 | nabz | :D |
| 14:26.20 | MrLame | nabz: you didnt reboot did you? |
| 14:26.33 | nabz | dunno it all went black |
| 14:26.35 | nabz | so i did lol |
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| 14:26.38 | _karma_ | lol |
| 14:26.52 | MrLame | If your ever back in the black screen like that, type startx to get back into the thing |
| 14:27.02 | NabZ | ah niec :D |
| 14:27.06 | EvilBastard | lol |
| 14:27.13 | NabZ | linux rules |
| 14:27.13 | NabZ | lol |
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| 14:27.21 | _karma_ | he forgot to mention that before, hes a meanie |
| 14:27.25 | MrLame | nah, linux is a pain in the but |
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| 14:27.35 | NabZ | linux is way better than windows :D |
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| 14:27.42 | EvilBastard | is it? |
| 14:27.44 | MrLame | Nah its not, you cant generalize like that |
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| 14:27.45 | NabZ | btw whats the best windows emu |
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| 14:27.59 | MrLame | nabz: Depends, games or applications, which woudl you rather emulate? |
| 14:28.06 | NabZ | games and adobe.. |
| 14:28.13 | MrLame | winex, cedega |
| 14:28.15 | MrLame | its not free |
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| 14:28.16 | EvilBastard | both i say! |
| 14:28.17 | NabZ | wine sux |
| 14:28.26 | NabZ | damn need one which is fre |
| 14:28.28 | MrLame | thats cause you cant configure it properly |
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| 14:28.54 | NabZ | lol |
| 14:28.58 | MrLame | give up on any games that are locally run in windows, youll never get them to run properly |
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| 14:29.05 | NabZ | damn |
| 14:29.07 | MrLame | you want games, install windows :) |
| 14:29.12 | NabZ | lol i got it |
| 14:29.17 | NabZ | jus dont like using it now |
| 14:29.29 | NabZ | how could i get adobe photoshop to run? |
| 14:29.33 | MrLame | try wine |
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| 14:29.46 | _karma_ | q3 runs nicely in linux, but thats bout it, lol |
| 14:29.47 | NabZ | hmm ok |
| 14:30.01 | NabZ | would i try opening the setup with wnie/ |
| 14:30.03 | NabZ | wine* |
| 14:30.08 | MrLame | or install a virtual pc, install windows on it, then install adobe |
| 14:30.09 | drac | Use gimp, and learn howto install gimpshop as frontend to it (to make it look-a-like photoshop) |
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| 14:30.36 | NabZ | hmmm |
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| 14:31.11 | MrLame | I should get back to the creation of my compiler, but i say, nah. |
| 14:31.15 | NabZ | so i would have to install it on my windows then bring it over to my linux? |
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| 14:31.22 | MrLame | no |
| 14:31.24 | EvilBastard | lol |
| 14:31.28 | NabZ | :S lol |
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| 14:31.31 | MrLame | Install it on linux using wine |
| 14:31.32 | drac | !lol |
| 14:31.32 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 14:31.46 | NabZ | lol |
| 14:31.46 | EvilBastard | Iam an aol loser |
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| 14:31.49 | NabZ | haha* |
| 14:31.51 | N4N01D | penguin42 when i did a /etc/init.d/networking stop and then a start it seems to work now??!? |
| 14:31.53 | EvilBastard | user |
| 14:32.00 | N4N01D | but restart didnt make any difference |
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| 14:32.13 | NabZ | so i would run the setup of adobe with wine? lol |
| 14:32.19 | MrLame | yes |
| 14:32.22 | NabZ | ok cool |
| 14:32.24 | MrLame | wine whatever.exe |
| 14:32.30 | MrLame | make sure oyu have wine setup correctly first |
| 14:32.35 | terrencevak | Hehehehe. Never been totally fond of lol myself. |
| 14:32.37 | MrLame | or else you'll die a terrible death |
| 14:32.38 | N4N01D | wtf its stopped now, sent 6 packets then the other 18 failed to go |
| 14:32.41 | EvilBastard | wine WinXP.exe |
| 14:33.09 | NabZ | ok well jus gonna get wine |
| 14:33.20 | dorto | EvilBastard: Iam an aol loser <--- lol! |
| 14:33.20 | debiannewbie | hi |
| 14:33.25 | MrLame | And first off, i dont get why everyone who runs linux just because apparently, windows sucks, linux and windows have their advantages and disadvantages, i use both for differnt things |
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| 14:34.42 | EvilBastard | <--agrees with MrLame |
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| 14:35.23 | EvilBastard | I have a joke |
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| 14:35.46 | EvilBastard | Why do Linux users spend so much time on their computers? |
| 14:35.48 | sylvisj | Alright, I got a problem - Whenever I dhclient eth0, it says that it doesn't recognize the attatched hardware (my router.) How do I fix this? |
| 14:36.00 | EvilBastard | error cannot continue the joke |
| 14:36.02 | sylvisj | EvilBastard: They aren't crashing randomly. |
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| 14:36.13 | EvilBastard | lol |
| 14:36.24 | MrLame | syl: Make sure your rotuer is setup for dhcp :-0 |
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| 14:36.40 | sylvisj | Lemme get my DHCP settings. |
| 14:36.44 | debiannewbie | I have question about gtalkd and gnutalk, ist this the right chanel? |
| 14:36.48 | sylvisj | I know it is or my comps wouldn't work. |
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| 14:36.57 | sylvisj | Winboxes* |
| 14:36.58 | row2 | How do I create a sudo user that does not need to enter a password and can only run 1 command? |
| 14:37.11 | bbrazil | row2: NOPASSWD |
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| 14:37.20 | row2 | bbrazil: I tried that but it prompts for password |
| 14:37.30 | bbrazil | row2: you have to put it in the right place |
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| 14:37.38 | sylvisj | Ok. DHCP starts at 100 and ends at 199. (192.168.123.*) Would that affect it? |
| 14:37.59 | row2 | user poseidon= NOPASSWD: <cmd> |
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| 14:38.02 | MrLame | nope, thats just th assigned ip |
| 14:38.06 | row2 | bbrazil: that right? |
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| 14:38.14 | sylvisj | DHCP Server: Enable |
| 14:38.18 | sylvisj | It's enabled, alright. |
| 14:38.26 | bbrazil | row2: its been too long - search the net for an example |
| 14:38.32 | MrLame | syl: Might be due to the fact that its a .123, try changing that to a .0, or .1 |
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| 14:38.41 | MrLame | syl: Just a wild guess |
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| 14:39.03 | sylvisj | Naw, that's not it - both my other computers are .123.* |
| 14:39.10 | sylvisj | .123.100, .123.101 |
| 14:39.16 | MrLame | syl: So you have 192.168.0.x |
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| 14:39.34 | MrLame | syl can you change the 123 to something else? |
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| 14:39.43 | sylvisj | No. Fixed by router. |
| 14:39.51 | PANORAMIX | hi every body |
| 14:39.57 | MrLame | whats the router? |
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| 14:40.09 | PANORAMIX | giev a hand |
| 14:40.13 | sylvisj | Actually, I might be able to. USR8003 |
| 14:40.15 | PANORAMIX | i have epson printer |
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| 14:40.26 | PANORAMIX | expson lx810 |
| 14:40.41 | sylvisj | It'll kick my dad off and he'll be pissed, though. |
| 14:40.49 | PANORAMIX | when i send ton it to print a page... |
| 14:40.58 | MrLame | syl: Worth a try, like i said, its just a wild guess. |
| 14:41.05 | PANORAMIX | it prints just the middle of the page... |
| 14:41.14 | sylvisj | The network settings are right, it just doesn't read the router correctly :( |
| 14:41.29 | sylvisj | It reads it as invalid hardware. |
| 14:41.33 | PANORAMIX | and cut the words |
| 14:41.39 | azzazus | i want to add the experimental repository, how do i do it? |
| 14:41.44 | PANORAMIX | in the middle of the page |
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| 14:42.15 | PANORAMIX | some one who can help me plz |
| 14:42.29 | MrLame | syl: Whats the error again? |
| 14:42.52 | mrpickles444 | garr |
| 14:42.56 | mrpickles444 | I must have fell asleep |
| 14:43.04 | sylvisj | I can get it if you want. It keeps saying something along the lines of 'Invalid Hardware', then pings it for 5 mins and fails. |
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| 14:43.14 | terrencevak | oK gonna trKy a rbeoot... |
| 14:43.16 | MrLame | yeah grab the exact error |
| 14:43.19 | EvilBastard | key prints in your face? |
| 14:43.41 | EvilBastard | keyboard faceplants weeeee I need coffee |
| 14:43.43 | nvz | there is nothing wrong with using 192.168.123.* private use IPv4 is outlined in RFC1918 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1918.txt |
| 14:43.50 | PANORAMIX | some plz who can gine a hand with printer plz |
| 14:43.58 | terrencevak | qwwwwkt |
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| 14:44.18 | syntaxx | PANORAMIX, try asking question in one sentence they might help you |
| 14:44.22 | NabZ | hey guys is it possible to get flash? |
| 14:44.23 | Oo | hi |
| 14:44.36 | dentifrice | I'd like to convert a RAID-1 array to RAID-5 (I'm using Linux software RAID) - any HOWTO available? |
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| 14:44.46 | nvz | NabZ: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:45.08 | NabZ | cool |
| 14:45.29 | EvilBastard | what does nonfree mean exactly? |
| 14:45.35 | NabZ | lol |
| 14:45.39 | EvilBastard | I thought it meant you have to pay for it |
| 14:45.48 | nvz | EvilBastard: non-free means that it doesn't comply with DFSG |
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| 14:45.50 | xDCDx | hi |
| 14:45.58 | NabZ | E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:46.00 | MrLame | it means it doesnt agree with the liensensing terms of being 'free' |
| 14:46.01 | EvilBastard | oh ok |
| 14:46.01 | nvz | EvilBastard: free has nothing to do with money in debian terms |
| 14:46.09 | NabZ | E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:46.14 | xDCDx | which is better, memtest86+ or regular memtest86? |
| 14:46.16 | nvz | NabZ: you need non-free sources. |
| 14:46.17 | PANORAMIX | i have a epson lx810, dot matrix, when i send a doc to print, the printer prints just the middle of the page, and when a line goes to the middle, it cuts the words, in all the page |
| 14:46.25 | NabZ | where would i get it from? |
| 14:46.27 | MrLame | nabz: need to include non-free sources in your apt.list |
| 14:46.44 | NabZ | huh? |
| 14:46.48 | NabZ | lol |
| 14:46.48 | nvz | NabZ: you add it to your sources list where it says "main" you add "non-free" |
| 14:46.54 | dentifrice | NabZ: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add non-free at the end of the deb line |
| 14:47.06 | NabZ | ermm lmao how |
| 14:47.12 | Ketter | nano |
| 14:47.13 | Ketter | vim |
| 14:47.14 | Ketter | joe |
| 14:47.15 | Ketter | pico |
| 14:47.19 | Ketter | whatever |
| 14:47.24 | dentifrice | Ketter: sed? :) |
| 14:47.25 | nvz | !enter |
| 14:47.25 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 14:47.26 | Ketter | (the last one isn't an editor) |
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| 14:47.35 | sylvisj | Alright. Error message: Unknown hardware address type 24 |
| 14:47.43 | Ketter | dentifrice: if you like to "stream"line your edit, sure, heck, why not |
| 14:47.45 | Guerin | sylvisj: not an error. |
| 14:47.49 | MrLame | sylvis: Gimme a moment |
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| 14:47.57 | row2 | I can't get sudo to not request a password when a certian cmd is run by a certian user does anyone have a example that works? |
| 14:48.06 | NabZ | ok im in the list |
| 14:48.06 | sylvisj | Sup guerin. Yeah, router still bein a POS. |
| 14:48.14 | NabZ | where would i add it? |
| 14:48.15 | The_Ball | is there any tool for "catching"/logging processes that use a lot of resources? |
| 14:48.15 | PANORAMIX | syntaxx, i have a epson lx810, dot matrix, when i send a doc to print, the printer prints just the middle of the page, and when a line goes to the middle, it cuts the words, in all the page |
| 14:48.19 | NabZ | where would i add it? |
| 14:48.21 | Ketter | NabZ: after main ? |
| 14:48.27 | NabZ | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 14:48.28 | Guerin | sylvisj: fun for you. Specifying static stuff doesn't work? WHy not? |
| 14:48.32 | NabZ | is the last line |
| 14:48.36 | nvz | NabZ: nope not that one |
| 14:48.40 | Savant0 | anyone know a quick and easy way to change from dos txt file to unix txt file, or visa versa? I just need some way to make all the endings the same amoung a bunch of different files.... |
| 14:48.40 | dentifrice | NabZ: go for the first |
| 14:48.46 | NabZ | #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 14:48.49 | sylvisj | Guerin: Not a clue. |
| 14:48.50 | NabZ | is the 1st |
| 14:48.51 | dentifrice | NabZ: no, not this one either :) |
| 14:48.54 | nvz | NabZ: not that one either |
| 14:48.59 | NabZ | deb ftp://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ stable main |
| 14:48.59 | sylvisj | Guerin: Apparently it doesn't know what my router is. |
| 14:49.01 | NabZ | ? |
| 14:49.04 | nvz | NabZ: yep |
| 14:49.06 | Guerin | !awk cheats |
| 14:49.06 | dpkg | [awk cheats] see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt |
| 14:49.07 | sylvisj | It being linux. |
| 14:49.14 | NabZ | ok what should i change it to? |
| 14:49.16 | dentifrice | NabZ: something like deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 14:49.18 | Guerin | sylvisj: shouldn't need to. |
| 14:49.18 | MrLame | syl: Shouldnt matter, how dhcp work is it sends a request for an ip address |
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| 14:49.32 | nvz | NabZ: make it deb ftp://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 14:49.34 | Guerin | i thought we already decided it wasn't dhcp |
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| 14:49.49 | sylvisj | Both: Whatever it is, it hates me. |
| 14:49.49 | NabZ | so it would be |
| 14:49.49 | NabZ | deb ftp://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ stable main sid main contrib non-free |
| 14:49.52 | Guerin | Savant0: see awk cheats, above, also see sed cheats |
| 14:49.54 | nvz | dentifrice: please don't ever do that again |
| 14:49.59 | Ketter | NabZ: and add a line like the "deb" line only change it into deb-src |
| 14:50.01 | luddite | what's a good alternative to marillat for video tools |
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| 14:50.03 | dentifrice | nvz: ? |
| 14:50.11 | NabZ | could ya write the whole line please lol |
| 14:50.14 | MrLame | syl: wireless or hardwired |
| 14:50.18 | nvz | dentifrice: give someone a sources line with sid in it |
| 14:50.22 | sylvisj | Wired. |
| 14:50.25 | Guerin | luddite: apt.cerkinfo.be |
| 14:50.26 | Ketter | NabZ: change the deb into deb-src |
| 14:50.29 | MrLame | nabz: dont run linux or any varient if you expect people to do work for you |
| 14:50.32 | dentifrice | nvz: oh, right, it wasn't meant to be cut/pasted |
| 14:50.34 | adz | hi on debian i updated a driver module for a network card using update-modules, im now installing the same card on fedora and update-modules doesnt work does anyone know how to update the driver module, sorry to ask in here? |
| 14:50.41 | luddite | what's the controversy with marillat anyway? |
| 14:50.45 | nvz | dentifrice: I will duct tape you to your chair and make you put up with his whining |
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| 14:50.50 | NabZ | thats the next line |
| 14:50.57 | NabZ | #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main |
| 14:50.57 | NabZ | deb ftp://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ stable main |
| 14:50.58 | NabZ | deb-src ftp://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ stable main |
| 14:50.58 | NabZ | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
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| 14:51.04 | NabZ | wtf |
| 14:51.07 | sylvisj | Flood kick. |
| 14:51.08 | dimm0k | currently have the /var partition along with / and now i'd like to have /var in its own partition... how do i go about relocating that directory to the new partition? is cp -a good enough? |
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| 14:51.10 | Guerin | you fuckwit |
| 14:51.11 | nvz | NabZ: don't paste in here |
| 14:51.16 | NabZ | ah k |
| 14:51.17 | EvilBastard | lol |
| 14:51.19 | Guerin | NabZ: read the fucking topic |
| 14:51.22 | Guerin | !paste NabZ |
| 14:51.22 | NabZ | my bad :( |
| 14:51.26 | nvz | NabZ: make the 2nd line read deb ftp://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 14:51.27 | dentifrice | NabZ: just add "contrib main" to the _second_ line |
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| 14:51.31 | Guerin | !paster NabZ |
| 14:51.32 | dpkg | NabZ: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 14:51.35 | nvz | NabZ: I told you this already |
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| 14:51.41 | NabZ | ok |
| 14:51.41 | dentifrice | NabZ: woops, I meant "contrib non-free" |
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| 14:51.52 | NabZ | k |
| 14:52.01 | nvz | NabZ: save the file, and run apt-get update |
| 14:52.03 | harleyg | hi |
| 14:52.09 | sylvisj | Would the x.x.x.100 to x.x.x.199 DHCP pool effect anything? |
| 14:52.09 | NabZ | could not save |
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| 14:52.20 | Ketter | sylvisj: you allready asked that, and no |
| 14:52.24 | Ketter | sylvisj: it doesn't |
| 14:52.36 | NabZ | it says it cannot be saved |
| 14:52.38 | sylvisj | Hmm.. |
| 14:52.39 | nvz | NabZ: you must edit the file as root, open a terminal, run "su" then run "nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:52.48 | NabZ | ok. |
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| 14:53.14 | sylvisj | Apparently linux isn't getting far enough to attempt DHCP. |
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| 14:53.18 | nvz | sylvisj: yes, it would make the dhcp server give out addresses in that range |
| 14:53.36 | sylvisj | 192.168.123.100 jeremy-76t4oki 00:11:09:DA:39:26, 192.168.123.101 robert-123c903 00:11:2F:F4:CF:14 |
| 14:53.44 | sylvisj | Those are the only two attempted clients... both windows. |
| 14:53.47 | MrLame | syl: You could try ifplugd :P |
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| 14:54.04 | Savant0 | !sed cheats |
| 14:54.04 | dpkg | i guess sed cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line52.txt |
| 14:54.06 | sylvisj | MrLame, what would that do? |
| 14:54.10 | NabZ | ok how do i save it now lol |
| 14:54.27 | MrLame | syl: Configures your ethernet automatically on plugin |
| 14:54.38 | MrLame | syl: Still looking for a solution though, :) |
| 14:54.42 | kurcze | hi... Is there a way to watch the commands which are actually being invoked by some user? (bash) |
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| 14:54.45 | sylvisj | Alright. I'll brb, gonna give it a shot. |
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| 14:54.53 | NabZ | ok how do i save it now lol |
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| 14:55.22 | NabZ | guyz? |
| 14:55.31 | NabZ | how do i save it lol |
| 14:55.33 | Ketter | NabZ: have you ever used an editor before ? |
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| 14:55.38 | NabZ | yup lol |
| 14:55.42 | EvilBastard | lol |
| 14:55.46 | Ketter | NabZ: which one ? |
| 14:55.47 | NabZ | file>save aint there |
| 14:55.52 | NabZ | noetpad lol |
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| 14:55.56 | NabZ | word. |
| 14:56.01 | NabZ | wordpad |
| 14:56.04 | NabZ | etc |
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| 14:56.14 | Ketter | NabZ ? |
| 14:56.18 | NabZ | ctrl+s dont work |
| 14:56.20 | NabZ | yeh |
| 14:56.22 | EvilBastard | ok Im got to go now try not to miss me too much and dont cry Ill be back cyah |
| 14:56.30 | nvz | !lol |
| 14:56.30 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 14:56.42 | syntaxx | NabZ, try ctrl X |
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| 14:56.51 | NabZ | thanx you |
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| 14:57.21 | NabZ | stil lthe same. . E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:57.24 | MrGreen | I'm having problems with minimal install CD ? |
| 14:57.30 | nvz | NabZ: apt-get update |
| 14:57.30 | MrLame | nabz: apt-get update |
| 14:57.31 | MrGreen | iso does not seem to boot ... |
| 14:57.32 | klemzi | hi, can somebody tell me what this is incubator kernel: uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: Intel Corp. 6300ESB USB Universal Host Controller <-- i looked for 6300ESB... and thats RAID controler... not USB |
| 14:57.45 | MrLame | nabz: always apt-get update when you change your sources.list |
| 14:57.56 | NabZ | still the same :( |
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| 14:58.02 | NabZ | damn it didnt save |
| 14:58.05 | nvz | NabZ: put the bong down. |
| 14:58.12 | NabZ | ? |
| 14:58.12 | MrLame | haha |
| 14:58.16 | nvz | It works better without the bong |
| 14:58.27 | NabZ | bong? lol |
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| 14:58.38 | Ketter | is he Dutch ? |
| 14:58.41 | Ketter | didn't know |
| 14:58.42 | NabZ | nope |
| 14:58.59 | doleyb | kurcze: there are ways, you can refresh "who" a lot, or if the user is helpful its easier |
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| 14:59.04 | NabZ | what was it.. conrtib non-free? |
| 14:59.05 | sylvisj | MrLame, what was that command? |
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| 14:59.21 | NabZ | what to i add to the end of the line again? |
| 14:59.21 | MrGreen | anyone know id there is a problem with install iso |
| 14:59.21 | MrLame | syl: software, and forget that, ithink i found the problem, give me a PM |
| 14:59.25 | Ketter | contrib non-free |
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| 14:59.42 | nvz | If only he used his pgup key as much as he repeated himself |
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| 15:00.06 | colocadi | hello |
| 15:00.11 | NabZ | woot its working lol |
| 15:00.20 | NabZ | thnx guyz :D |
| 15:00.41 | colocadi | i've been on sarge for a while, i wanna go for unstable now. should i take unstable or testing ? |
| 15:00.53 | luddite | you colo |
| 15:01.01 | luddite | ii mean yo colocadi |
| 15:01.04 | dentifrice | I'd like to convert a RAID-1 array to RAID-5 (I'm using Linux software RAID) - any HOWTO available? |
| 15:01.06 | luddite | don't go crazy |
| 15:01.11 | nvz | *lol* |
| 15:01.11 | Vamplegends | i have never installed debian...using net install... how much time would it last ? And does it have an installer with GUI? |
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| 15:01.18 | Niriven | sylvisj: Ok, heres how its gonna go. Your going to go into linux, type this: dmesg >> myDMESG.txt Then your going to send me myDMESG.txt over email. Your going to have to mount, or stick your file on a floppy to get it over to to windows to send it to me. |
| 15:01.19 | MrGreen | Anyone know if iso for ia64 works? |
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| 15:01.36 | sylvisj | Alright, Niriven. |
| 15:01.39 | luddite | is this box your going sid on a day to day pc? |
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| 15:01.57 | Niriven | syl: I need to check how your eth0 is loaded |
| 15:01.57 | luddite | cause going sid is cool but can break your toys |
| 15:02.03 | sylvisj | Alright. |
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| 15:02.08 | sylvisj | How do I mount my C:/? |
| 15:02.10 | nvz | I was going for the lol cheerleader, but you people all decided to start talking at once |
| 15:02.12 | sylvisj | It's NTFS |
| 15:02.19 | MrGreen | Anyone know if iso for ia64 works? |
| 15:02.28 | colocadi | luddite oh it doesn't really matter : look, i'm just running a ftp. i can format if i have a prob |
| 15:02.31 | mrpickles444 | I sure don't MrGreen |
| 15:02.33 | sylvisj | MrGreen, it's an official release, just burn it on a cd. |
| 15:02.33 | KrLoS | i have a epson lx810, dot matrix, when i send a doc to print, the printer prints just the middle of the page, and when a line goes to the middle, it cuts the words, in all the page |
| 15:02.38 | Niriven | syl: Same HD? |
| 15:02.41 | sylvisj | Yes. |
| 15:02.55 | Niriven | mkdir /mnt/win; mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/win |
| 15:03.00 | MrGreen | businesscard & netstall iso's do not work |
| 15:03.06 | Niriven | wait |
| 15:03.08 | colocadi | luddite actually i'm formatting cos i've lost my root pass :x |
| 15:03.09 | Niriven | you cant write to ntfs :) |
| 15:03.11 | Niriven | mount a floppy |
| 15:03.14 | luddite | aaah |
| 15:03.14 | sylvisj | Alright. |
| 15:03.16 | sylvisj | How so? |
| 15:03.17 | kurcze | doleyb: I want real-time command watching :] |
| 15:03.18 | nvz | Niriven: sure you can |
| 15:03.24 | colocadi | luddite but that's an opportunity to test another thing (= |
| 15:03.25 | luddite | have you downloaded the latest and greatest install debian dvd/cd |
| 15:03.26 | kurcze | is it possible to achieve it |
| 15:03.27 | Niriven | nvz: Its experimental |
| 15:03.30 | kurcze | ? |
| 15:03.39 | grr | Niriven: Can you write to ntfs? |
| 15:03.41 | sylvisj | Niriven.. hwo do I mount a floppy? |
| 15:03.47 | luddite | well you can install testing/unstable right from the get go |
| 15:03.47 | colocadi | luddite nop, i planned to make a net install |
| 15:03.56 | luddite | $expert26 |
| 15:04.05 | nvz | Niriven: tell that to 50 million WinNT users |
| 15:04.06 | grr | Niriven: When I mounted NTFS I was told it was read-only |
| 15:04.10 | MrGreen | never mind |
| 15:04.10 | luddite | as your option |
| 15:04.15 | Niriven | syl: Stick it in and do: mkdir /mnt/floppy; mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy |
| 15:04.22 | luddite | i haven't installed debian in about 2 years |
| 15:04.29 | luddite | i did it about 8 times yesterday |
| 15:04.31 | luddite | for fun |
| 15:04.33 | colocadi | lol |
| 15:04.37 | sylvisj | ; meaning two commands/ |
| 15:04.38 | luddite | i'm no guru |
| 15:04.39 | sylvisj | ? |
| 15:04.42 | nvz | grr: mounts it read-only by default because the driver in linux isnt very safe |
| 15:04.45 | luddite | but it was awesome compared to woody |
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| 15:04.53 | MrGreen | bb |
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| 15:04.58 | syn_ack | how to mount then ntfs r\w |
| 15:05.08 | colocadi | awesome like terrible ? |
| 15:05.13 | Niriven | syl: Ya, it will execute two commands. |
| 15:05.16 | sylvisj | Alright. |
| 15:05.17 | sylvisj | Brb. |
| 15:05.18 | Niriven | if that doesnt work, try this: |
| 15:05.19 | colocadi | you couldn't do anything ? |
| 15:05.37 | Niriven | is it /dev/fd0 or fdc0? :P |
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| 15:06.05 | colocadi | is netinstall only released for stable version? |
| 15:06.09 | grr | Niriven: When I mounted NTFS I was told it was read-only, is it really possible to make it writeable? |
| 15:06.10 | nvz | !captiventfs |
| 15:06.11 | dpkg | somebody said captive was The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 15:06.22 | Niriven | grr: Yes, if you want to destroy your drive |
| 15:06.37 | grr | Niriven: lol no thanks.. |
| 15:06.49 | Niriven | grr: Need write support in the kernel ntfs module, by default its read only support. |
| 15:07.04 | nvz | you destroyed it the minute you formatted it with microsoft's software |
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| 15:07.29 | grr | nvz: I know :-( |
| 15:07.46 | grr | Niriven: but it's not safe? |
| 15:07.47 | doleyb | kurcze: tell the guy to run screen, then su to his id, then run screen -x and you'll see what he's doing |
| 15:07.48 | nvz | knoppix: #knoppix is downstairs on the right. |
| 15:08.09 | Niriven | grr: No, its experimental, which means its quirky. Last time i tried it i destroyed my partition table on my ntfs drive, and had to reinstall windows |
| 15:08.31 | nvz | Niriven: should have ran gpart |
| 15:08.43 | knoppix | //nick terrencevak |
| 15:08.54 | nvz | grr: its experimental which means if you read the docs you will be fine. |
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| 15:09.02 | row2 | www-data LOCAL = NOPASSWD: MAIL <-- is that line's syntax correct (forget whats in LOCAL/MAIL) for /etc/sudoers ? |
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| 15:09.28 | nvz | grr: the docs say in so many words how useless the write support in the linux driver are. can only write files that exist without changing their filesize IIRC |
| 15:09.37 | grr | Niriven: okay.. I'll survive.. I got read-only access from windows to my linux-partition. So it kind of works.. a bit extra rebooting required :-) |
| 15:09.48 | nvz | grr: there is more than one way to skin the proverbial cat though |
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| 15:10.05 | Niriven | grr: I'd suggest having an intermeditate partition, perhaps fat32, or nfs, that way both OS's can read/write |
| 15:10.10 | nabz | back |
| 15:10.11 | nabz | lol |
| 15:10.12 | grr | nvz: lol there always is :-) |
| 15:10.31 | cahoot | row2: looks right, visudo usually complains about syntax errors |
| 15:10.50 | kurcze | doleyb: he cannot know about it... e.g. I want to watch his commands when he is logged throught ssh |
| 15:11.00 | kurcze | :] |
| 15:11.04 | grr | Niriven: I found that out after I made my partition NTFS, and when I tried to make a fat32 partition, something went wrong.. |
| 15:11.11 | terrencevak | nvz: There ya go. `-) Don't mind my traitorous old system. |
| 15:11.37 | Niriven | grr: Yeah i was never able to go back, unless you totally wipe your drive, format it with a hardrive format desk and fat32, then install windows |
| 15:11.39 | nvz | *lol* |
| 15:11.40 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.41 | kurcze | history and fc are builtins so I cannot use it in scripts... :( |
| 15:12.01 | grr | Niriven: I know.. :~( ... I read that later.. it sucks.. |
| 15:12.03 | terrencevak | Though I seem to be having problems getting into the debian system I just created. |
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| 15:12.22 | nvz | you cut the lol cheerleaders leg off :P |
| 15:12.28 | terrencevak | I've rebooted, and now I can't chroot into the new system. |
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| 15:12.54 | nvz | all you people using lol is sickening me I have to go now |
| 15:12.56 | nabz | hey guys.. how can i set mozilla as my default browser? |
| 15:12.59 | case^ | is there a newbie guide channel to installing debian? |
| 15:13.05 | phrontist | how do I add new mirrors for apt to download from? |
| 15:13.07 | syntaxx | grr: if u have windows and need to write files to ntfs there is a software in windows that can read ext2/ext3 file system |
| 15:13.12 | phrontist | (my current mirror is damn slow) |
| 15:13.14 | grr | Niriven: fortunately, I did only loose one gig :-) |
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| 15:13.22 | nvz | there used to be a sissified #debian, but it didnt last. |
| 15:13.31 | m00trix | hi all |
| 15:13.34 | nvz | case^: #debian-newbies might still be around |
| 15:13.34 | case^ | hmm |
| 15:13.37 | m00trix | i need help |
| 15:13.38 | case^ | thanks |
| 15:13.47 | phrontist | anyone? |
| 15:13.53 | nabz | guys.. |
| 15:13.59 | thingfish | case^: it's very easy, you can do it. |
| 15:14.02 | case^ | nope dead channel |
| 15:14.05 | nvz | girls.. |
| 15:14.11 | _SerhaT_ | phrontist: apt-setup ? |
| 15:14.13 | case^ | I've done installs from livecd's |
| 15:14.13 | nabz | how can i set mozilla as my default browser |
| 15:14.19 | grr | syntaxx: I got one that only read files.. have you tried the one the could write files? Is it safe? |
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| 15:14.28 | case^ | but I can't boot the netinstall iso |
| 15:14.35 | Mars__^ | Hi i downloaded java-package using apt-get install, and now i have to give opera way to file but what file? |
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| 15:14.40 | m00trix | where can i find list of apt-get porgramms? |
| 15:14.44 | doleyb | kurcze: change his .login to run script /tmp/spy.txt first |
| 15:14.46 | syntaxx | grr: yeah but i forgot the name of the browser though i already tried it.. and it works |
| 15:14.46 | grr | syntaxx: last the = that |
| 15:14.51 | nvz | nabz: unlike you, the rest of us know how to scroll up. repeating will no more likely get you help around here. |
| 15:15.04 | m00trix | where can i find list of apt-get porgramms that i can install? |
| 15:15.07 | nvz | nabz: the problem with your question is it has no useful context |
| 15:15.08 | _SerhaT_ | m00trix: http://packages.debian.org ? |
| 15:15.08 | AzMoo | m00trix, dselect |
| 15:15.10 | Savant0 | !grep cheats |
| 15:15.14 | nabz | soz nvz |
| 15:15.16 | thingfish | case^: why can't you? |
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| 15:15.22 | Savant0 | anyone got a good site for grep? |
| 15:15.29 | case^ | NTLDR not found?? |
| 15:15.29 | doleyb | kurcze: or if you are not root, just a user, then run ps once per second and dump it to disk |
| 15:15.29 | Niriven | moo: http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 15:15.43 | case^ | which is a windows error |
| 15:15.43 | syntaxx | grr: wait ill try to locate it again |
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| 15:15.56 | thingfish | case^: there's no way you should be seeing that booting to the netinstall cd. |
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| 15:16.05 | case^ | also format c: doesn't work |
| 15:16.11 | nvz | nabz: how do I set mozilla as the default browser for [GNOME|KDE|XFCE ...] would be a valid question with context. |
| 15:16.12 | grr | syntaxx: this one? http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm |
| 15:16.24 | case^ | how do I make the cd iso bootable using NEro? |
| 15:16.28 | nabz | nvz.. i dont see a awnser to my question |
| 15:16.35 | thingfish | case^: you must burn it as an image. |
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| 15:16.50 | case^ | first thing I did |
| 15:16.54 | syntaxx | grr: for awhile |
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| 15:17.04 | nvz | nabz: your question DOESN'T CONTAIN THE CONTEXT REQUIRED TO FORMULATE A USEFUL ANSWER |
| 15:17.11 | terrencevak | OK, here's where I'm at. I tried booting into the new system I just installed, but it did a kernel panic - ... thing, which was saying it couldn't mount the root system. When I try to boot into this system and chroot to it, it gives me: "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory" What do I need to do about this? |
| 15:17.14 | phrontist | can apt download from multiple servers simultaneously? |
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| 15:17.16 | nabz | ok......... |
| 15:17.17 | case^ | it's ok I'll install XP and then debian I guess |
| 15:17.24 | syntaxx | grr: yeah thats it |
| 15:17.28 | syntaxx | grr: already tried it |
| 15:17.30 | Niriven | terren: What filesystem are you using? |
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| 15:17.35 | thingfish | case^: that's the order you want to do it in, anyway. |
| 15:17.40 | phrontist | (I've got 15Mbps down here... I'm limited only by the mirrors_ |
| 15:17.42 | phrontist | ) |
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| 15:18.11 | terrencevak | Niriven: It's an ext2 I think. |
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| 15:18.13 | case^ | How well are nforce boards supported? |
| 15:18.21 | Niriven | terren: Think or know |
| 15:18.21 | grr | syntaxx: I think I tried the version that was stable, not the newest one |
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| 15:18.29 | thingfish | case^: I'm not sure. |
| 15:18.42 | case^ | I' the only board I have left lying around |
| 15:18.44 | grr | syntaxx: If I remember right.. |
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| 15:18.56 | syntaxx | grr: ic.. try the new one.. i already extracted 400mb file from linux to ntfs without a sweat |
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| 15:19.04 | case^ | Thank you thingfish |
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| 15:19.05 | grr | syntaxx: you've tried the experimental beta 3? |
| 15:19.05 | Hellark | hi |
| 15:19.05 | terrencevak | Niriven: I'm pretty sure. That's what I remember from the fstab file I was working on. |
| 15:19.12 | thingfish | np case^, good luck. |
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| 15:19.17 | Niriven | terren: What did you do to for this to happen? :P |
| 15:19.17 | case^ | cheers |
| 15:19.22 | thingfish | ;) |
| 15:19.29 | Hellark | how i can make an .iso image with the files from /cdrom? |
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| 15:19.33 | grr | syntaxx: cool what windows do you have? |
| 15:19.51 | syntaxx | grr: windows xp |
| 15:19.52 | abrotman | man mkisofs |
| 15:19.58 | sylvisj | Alright - how do I copy the myDMESG.txt onto the floppy? |
| 15:20.04 | useruser | is there a text manipulation program that concatenates files and can extract the original files again using (say) C comments as separators? |
| 15:20.06 | abrotman | or learn how to use dd to make an image |
| 15:20.11 | Niriven | syl: Shouldn't ya know this stuff? |
| 15:20.15 | sylvisj | After 5 mins of arguign with it, it mounted the floppy. That was great until I realized I don't know how to copy it over. |
| 15:20.16 | terrencevak | Niriven: Well, I installed debian using the chroot guide, and even got it running pretty good. |
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| 15:20.25 | nabz | how do i setup mozilla as my default browser in KDE? |
| 15:20.35 | Niriven | sylvis: cp filename.ext /mnt/floppy |
| 15:20.37 | sylvisj | I tried copy, it's all I remember from my dos days |
| 15:20.46 | Hellark | abrotman, yes, but mkisofs -o cd.iso /cdrom doesn't work? |
| 15:20.49 | sylvisj | wow... two less letters and I'd have been fine. |
| 15:20.50 | grr | syntaxx: me too.. okay I'll try it out then :-) |
| 15:20.51 | sylvisj | coming back. |
| 15:20.53 | Niriven | sylvis: no need to do the mkdir anymore, the things already there |
| 15:20.54 | Savant0 | ok, how do I only change a text file with /some/ CRLFs, and into just LFs? |
| 15:20.57 | abrotman | Hellark: then learn how to use dd |
| 15:21.00 | sylvisj | I konw, Niriven. |
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| 15:21.03 | yuacht | anyone know of an application for the Sony Ericsson K700i? |
| 15:21.04 | syntaxx | grr: goodluck :D |
| 15:21.30 | nabz | coz its cool :D |
| 15:21.39 | grr | syntaxx: thanx :-P |
| 15:21.40 | nvz | nabz: Open kcontrol (KDE configuration center). Go to "Components -> Components chooser -> Web browser". |
| 15:21.45 | syntaxx | grr: no problem |
| 15:21.45 | Niriven | its cool, yet you dont know the cp command? or the ls command? |
| 15:21.48 | nabz | k thnx :D |
| 15:22.02 | abrotman | !fundamentals |
| 15:22.03 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 15:22.07 | case^ | also the floppy boot images are too big for normal floppies :( |
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| 15:22.46 | AzMoo | People still use floppies? |
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| 15:22.57 | Niriven | uhh yeah |
| 15:22.58 | case^ | when your cd will not boot we try |
| 15:23.04 | case^ | and fail :( |
| 15:23.13 | Niriven | floppies are still extremely useful and compatible |
| 15:23.19 | Hellark | abrotman, thanks, it works :) |
| 15:23.19 | nabz | woops |
| 15:23.24 | Niriven | not all usb devices, or other devices of the sort can boot though the bios :) |
| 15:23.33 | case^ | BIOS flashes and stuff |
| 15:23.33 | AzMoo | I haven't seen anybody using a floppy for about 2 years. |
| 15:23.38 | case^ | It's useful |
| 15:23.53 | Niriven | floppy is still a standard that will work no matter what |
| 15:23.58 | ice_1963 | tha'ts right |
| 15:24.00 | case^ | ^^ |
| 15:24.02 | kurcze | doleyb: thank you for help... I will try |
| 15:25.15 | nvz | Niriven: you overlook the fact in your rant -- that most pcs don't come with floppy drives anymore. |
| 15:25.16 | doleyb | kurcze: of course, if you just want to peek at what command other people are doing at this very moment, simply "who" |
| 15:25.32 | Niriven | nvz: Thats a pitty |
| 15:25.33 | abrotman | nvz: that's just dell |
| 15:25.55 | terrencevak | So what I need to do basically is figure out why I can't get into that system via chroot, so I can figure out why it's not booting on startup. |
| 15:26.08 | Niriven | nvz: What are you supposed to use, besides a floppy? |
| 15:26.15 | AzMoo | Niriven, cds |
| 15:26.21 | nvz | no its not just dell, nearly all laptops dont have floppies and the majority of pcs in general floppy is an option if available at all |
| 15:26.21 | abrotman | usb keys ... cdrs ... etc |
| 15:26.30 | Niriven | azmoo: go burn a cd with a base install of debian right now |
| 15:26.39 | Niriven | usb keys are not always the same size |
| 15:26.40 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 15:26.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 15:26.45 | case^ | I have one floppy drive between 12 PC's |
| 15:26.51 | AzMoo | Niriven, can't do it. |
| 15:26.55 | case^ | new users just don't buy them any more |
| 15:26.59 | Niriven | azmoo exactly |
| 15:27.00 | abrotman | Niriven: it just has to be big enough |
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| 15:27.02 | case^ | and then I make them pay :D |
| 15:27.04 | sylvisj | Ok, got it. |
| 15:27.08 | AzMoo | But I don't have a floppy drive in a house of 8 computers. |
| 15:27.14 | Niriven | sylvisj: rrl125@gmail.com |
| 15:27.16 | AzMoo | And I haven't missed it. |
| 15:27.21 | AzMoo | There's always another computer you can use. |
| 15:27.26 | sylvisj | Alright. I'm tvirus_nemesis@hotmail.com |
| 15:27.41 | Niriven | azmoo: IF you have one computer, and your in a certain situation, floppies are the only way to go. |
| 15:27.55 | case^ | especially working with legacy machines |
| 15:27.57 | ice_1963 | well get one |
| 15:28.01 | AzMoo | Niriven, hypothetically, of course. But you've NEVER got one computer. |
| 15:28.07 | Niriven | I only have one computer |
| 15:28.11 | case^ | XP is installed time to get busy installing debian |
| 15:28.23 | AzMoo | You have 1 computer? and no access to any others? |
| 15:28.30 | sylvisj | Niriven, it's sent. |
| 15:28.30 | Niriven | no, not at home |
| 15:28.38 | yuacht | anyone know of an application for the Sony Ericsson K700i? |
| 15:28.39 | abrotman | oh the horror .. only one computer! |
| 15:28.50 | abrotman | !tell yuacht about repeat |
| 15:28.54 | abrotman | !tell yuacht about searcj |
| 15:28.58 | kurcze | doleyb: who? Is who able to say what commands are being executed? |
| 15:28.59 | abrotman | !tell yuacht about search |
| 15:29.05 | abrotman | !tell yuacht about freshmeat |
| 15:29.10 | AzMoo | Niriven, I find that dreadfull strange. |
| 15:29.13 | sylvisj | !freshmeat |
| 15:29.15 | dpkg | it has been said that freshmeat is at http://freshmeat.net/, or _the_ place to search for whatever piece of software you know of/have heard of/dreamt of ... |
| 15:29.22 | abrotman | AzMoo: why? |
| 15:29.31 | Niriven | syl: Theres your problem |
| 15:29.36 | sylvisj | ? |
| 15:29.39 | nvz | I got a floppy drive... In my 5 year old Dell OptiPlex and one in my 8 year old HP Vectra |
| 15:29.39 | Niriven | syl: ip1394: eth0: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0) |
| 15:29.47 | sylvisj | Niriven, that means nothing to me.\ |
| 15:29.53 | Niriven | syl: Thats trying to do ethernet over the firewire protocol |
| 15:29.58 | sylvisj | OMFG |
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| 15:30.00 | doleyb | kurcze: yes, the last column of who is what, which is a command. |
| 15:30.02 | abrotman | sylvisj: it's trying to setup your firewire as your netword |
| 15:30.08 | AzMoo | abrotman, because from my experience nobody who runs linux has only 1 computer. |
| 15:30.10 | sylvisj | Wow. That actually explains a bit. |
| 15:30.25 | abrotman | AzMoo: i only have one real computer .. i sold/gave away the rest |
| 15:30.28 | sylvisj | Do you know what eth# i'm supposed to use? |
| 15:30.29 | AzMoo | Unless they're running something like ubuntu |
| 15:30.31 | nvz | AzMoo: sounds like you have very little experience |
| 15:30.35 | abrotman | AzMoo: there is a 486 in my closet |
| 15:30.38 | amphi | AzMoo: I only have one |
| 15:30.51 | sylvisj | Azmoo, I only have one at my moms. I run linux there. |
| 15:30.52 | AzMoo | nvz, Perhaps just different experience. |
| 15:30.55 | abrotman | AzMoo: but i've been using linux/debian ... for 5+ years |
| 15:30.55 | sylvisj | I only have one here. I run linux here. |
| 15:30.59 | case^ | the system I'm installing debian doesn't have a case but it's still a PC |
| 15:31.09 | Niriven | syl: i suppose you dont know how to fix it |
| 15:31.10 | case^ | it's just scattered all over my workbench |
| 15:31.15 | jvives | hey guys! Maybe is not the best channel to ask, but is the only one I know... What tool (if it has GUI, much better) do you recomend to get some mpeg into VCD or DVD format? |
| 15:31.20 | sylvisj | Niriven, I'm guessing I need to use the right eth#. |
| 15:31.21 | nvz | not everyone has stacks of free hardware in different towns and states like me |
| 15:31.24 | m00trix | where can i find all the fonts that i installed? |
| 15:31.29 | Niriven | syl: hold on... |
| 15:31.31 | m00trix | with apt-get |
| 15:31.32 | abrotman | !nicktab |
| 15:31.33 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one. |
| 15:31.33 | AzMoo | Well, guess I'm wrong in that sense. But I'm still yet to miss a floppy drive. |
| 15:31.41 | kurcze | doleyb: kurcze pts/2 Oct 9 16:38 (:0.0) ---> which column? |
| 15:31.43 | abrotman | AzMoo: go buy one |
| 15:31.52 | case^ | depends on working practise |
| 15:31.56 | AzMoo | abrotman, I have plenty here, I just don't use them. |
| 15:31.57 | nvz | I probably got like 20 or so Zenith Data Systems at the Electronic Hospital, I got from WVU years ago |
| 15:31.59 | case^ | but yeah you'l need one |
| 15:32.06 | abrotman | AzMoo: time to start |
| 15:32.11 | AzMoo | abrotman, what for? |
| 15:32.11 | nvz | talk about a useless fucking PC.. |
| 15:32.12 | case^ | uni skips are the best source of free hardware |
| 15:32.19 | abrotman | nvz: that's just horrible .. those were shitty machines |
| 15:32.27 | m00trix | where can i find all the fonts that i installed with apt-get? |
| 15:32.30 | sylvisj | nvz: lol. 90mhz cpu's. Little to no ram. No hdd. |
| 15:32.31 | doleyb | kurcze: "w" instead of "who" |
| 15:32.40 | abrotman | AzMoo: you should always have one :) |
| 15:32.47 | AzMoo | abrotman, what for? |
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| 15:32.49 | nvz | sylvisj: 90mhz? pfft |
| 15:32.53 | abrotman | AzMoo: to use .. duh |
| 15:32.53 | kurcze | :) |
| 15:33.00 | sylvisj | Nvz: we had one. 90mhz. Must ahve been a master of the time. |
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| 15:33.10 | abrotman | AzMoo: how else will you make boot floppies for your Alpha ? |
| 15:33.10 | kurcze | thank you... I will try to play with it :) |
| 15:33.19 | abrotman | or do you only own 8 x86 pcs ? |
| 15:33.24 | sylvisj | Niriven, any luck with... whatever you're working on? |
| 15:33.36 | Niriven | syl: Nope, ask people here, they might know, im still looking :) |
| 15:33.36 | orchid | m00trix: xlsfonts | less |
| 15:33.40 | AzMoo | abrotman, You're right, they're only x86 PC's. |
| 15:33.43 | sylvisj | Alright. What should I ask? |
| 15:33.48 | abrotman | well that's just dumb |
| 15:34.05 | j4cbo | i'm trying to apt-get upgrade my system, running testing, hasn't been updated in a few months |
| 15:34.06 | Niriven | ask why ip1394: eth0: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0) |
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| 15:34.15 | Niriven | is happening :P |
| 15:34.17 | j4cbo | it wants to get rid of mkinitrd and the kernel |
| 15:34.22 | nvz | sylvisj: mine were like 4.77mhz with the turbo on |
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| 15:34.26 | sylvisj | Alright - since my computer is trying to ethernet over firewall (ip1394: eth0: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0)), should I just guess and check with diff eth#'s? |
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| 15:34.31 | sylvisj | nvz: Holy fck. |
| 15:34.31 | abrotman | j4cbo: you kind of need the kernel :) |
| 15:34.38 | j4cbo | abrotman: yeah, i figured that |
| 15:34.44 | sdk | klemzi yo |
| 15:34.57 | nvz | sylvisj: they were 8086 with two slim 5 1/4 floppy drives |
| 15:35.05 | sylvisj | Ewwwwww. |
| 15:35.12 | sylvisj | Ok, back to my question. |
| 15:35.12 | Niriven | syl: Do you even use firewire? |
| 15:35.16 | j4cbo | i was thinking it might be because i had 2.6.8-1 and the dependencies changed, but i upped to 2.6.8-2 and it still doesn't like it |
| 15:35.16 | sylvisj | Niriven, nope. |
| 15:35.23 | Niriven | syl: Just disable it in the bios |
| 15:35.28 | sylvisj | I was sure I did. |
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| 15:35.36 | AzMoo | abrotman, no need to abuse me. My point was that floppy drives really don't have a use anymore. But granted, I'm thinking along the lines of desktop boxes alone. |
| 15:35.40 | j4cbo | e2fsprogs, e2fslibs, and libc all go as a group and want to take out initrd |
| 15:35.40 | abrotman | use a pre-load for the module |
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| 15:35.52 | sylvisj | Will just trying it with eth1 and eth2, etc, work if I find the right eth number? |
| 15:36.00 | abrotman | AzMoo: why .. i used a floppy to install alphas .. they can't be desktops ? |
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| 15:36.15 | terrencevak | Hah!!!!!!! Got it! Now to see why I can't boot to it when I start the PC! |
| 15:36.17 | AzMoo | abrotman, of course they can. But they're not usually. |
| 15:36.24 | sylvisj | Azmoo... I've used my floppy drive atleast every other day. |
| 15:36.24 | Niriven | syl: or try eth1 |
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| 15:36.29 | jvives | so, no1 has an idea on creating VCD??? |
| 15:36.30 | abrotman | AzMoo: not in your house anyways .. quite sad if you ask me |
| 15:36.31 | sylvisj | Tried that, same problem, Niriven. |
| 15:36.33 | kurcze | doleyb: I have to find a way to see non-interactive commands too... |
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| 15:36.41 | AzMoo | sylvisj, what for? |
| 15:36.42 | abrotman | !aolify jvives |
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| 15:36.45 | Niriven | syl: looks like its not finding your ethernet controller then |
| 15:36.49 | sylvisj | Azmoo, dualboots. |
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| 15:37.00 | sylvisj | Need I say more? |
| 15:37.07 | nvz | abrotman: sure if you stack two side by side with a board on top, with enough room inbetween to fit a desk chair |
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| 15:37.15 | AzMoo | sylvisj, boot managers? |
| 15:37.16 | j4cbo | i didn't put a floppy drive on my current desktop or my previous one |
| 15:37.21 | kurcze | Is it possible to execute builtins in bash scripts e.g. history??? :| |
| 15:37.25 | abrotman | nvz: they make normal size alphas you know :) |
| 15:37.31 | nvz | heh |
| 15:37.34 | AzMoo | abrotman, I'm trying to have a discussion with you. Why do you keep insulting me? |
| 15:37.36 | sylvisj | Azmoo, use one. Still need the floppys for file transfer in between. No CDRW's. |
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| 15:37.41 | Niriven | syl: using kernel 2.6? |
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| 15:37.46 | sylvisj | Niriven, yes. |
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| 15:37.57 | Niriven | syl: Might have to install drivers for your ethernet controller |
| 15:38.00 | nvz | !yinzersmite abrotman |
| 15:38.04 | sylvisj | Uh oh... that would be bad. |
| 15:38.06 | AzMoo | sylvisj, what about usb flash drives? |
| 15:38.09 | Niriven | syl: why? |
| 15:38.14 | sylvisj | Azmoo, don't have one. |
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| 15:38.21 | abrotman | AzMoo: no you're not .. you think floppies are unneeded .. i've already proven they are .. and i think it's prety dumb for someone to have *8* x86 pcs at home |
| 15:38.21 | nvz | I have a feeling stew did that one |
| 15:38.23 | sylvisj | Niriven, it's onboard. No drivers. |
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| 15:38.40 | nvz | !factinfo cmd: yinzersmite (.*?) |
| 15:38.40 | dpkg | CMD: yinzersmite (.*?) -- created by nvz <~nvz@68.185.200.19> at Mon Jan 24 05:17:59 2005 (258 days). |
| 15:38.48 | AzMoo | abrotman, you have |
| 15:38.48 | Niriven | syl: Whats the chipset of your motherboard, or your motherboard in general |
| 15:38.55 | sylvisj | AzMoo, you could have saved a lot of money from those 8 pc's and gotten a lot better performance by just building a FX55 or FX57 rig. |
| 15:38.55 | nvz | hmm I guess it doesnt show who last modified it |
| 15:38.56 | abrotman | AzMoo: are you going to cry? |
| 15:39.01 | sylvisj | Niriven, nforce4 |
| 15:39.07 | j4cbo | abrotman: what's your proof that floppies are unnecessary? |
| 15:39.42 | abrotman | j4cbo: i didn't say they were .. AzMoo did |
| 15:39.42 | j4cbo | er, that they are necessary, rather |
| 15:39.45 | sylvisj | Dual boots, boot disks, dual-boot file transfers, etc. |
| 15:39.47 | j4cbo | cause i haven't missed them one bit :) |
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| 15:39.48 | sylvisj | Rescue disks |
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| 15:39.51 | abrotman | j4cbo: they have many uses |
| 15:39.53 | nvz | j4cbo: Sony Mavica FD series users see them as cheap media |
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| 15:39.56 | AzMoo | abrotman, no, I'm not going to cry. I've already agreed that they're needed in some situations. But generally they're not. |
| 15:39.58 | sylvisj | Abrotman = correct. |
| 15:40.12 | j4cbo | why do you need a floppy for dual-boot? |
| 15:40.17 | AzMoo | sylvisj, I've only paid for 2 of them, and they're not mine alone. |
| 15:40.19 | Niriven | syl: AMD or intel |
| 15:40.20 | sylvisj | Setting up.. |
| 15:40.24 | sylvisj | Niriven, AMD64 |
| 15:40.25 | abrotman | j4cbo: grub floppies are nice |
| 15:40.31 | sylvisj | Very nice indeed. |
| 15:40.32 | j4cbo | and any recent hardware can boot from cd-rw |
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| 15:40.38 | sylvisj | And I'm out of CDRW's. |
| 15:40.43 | abrotman | nvz: http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/workstations/es47/ |
| 15:40.46 | terrencevak | OK... the problem is actually with my lilo.conf, I think, because when I was booting, it froze after saying something like, please append a ... root= ... to the boot ????. (I didn't have a way to capture the text at the time. |
| 15:40.48 | pepsi | lol, you guys are retarded, stop bickering :P |
| 15:40.50 | j4cbo | sometimes flash too |
| 15:40.55 | doleyb | sylvisj: uh, CDRWs are reusable, you dont run out. |
| 15:40.55 | sylvisj | I have no flash drives. |
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| 15:41.01 | nvz | man it seems like people send me links right after I close my browser |
| 15:41.05 | sylvisj | Doley - I burn them for others. |
| 15:41.06 | Niriven | syl: Your out of luck, no nforce4 drivers for linux. Go get another card thats compatable and install that :) |
| 15:41.09 | sylvisj | I'm still waiting on them to be returned. |
| 15:41.13 | sylvisj | Niriven... fck. |
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| 15:41.23 | j4cbo | wait, what about nforce4? |
| 15:41.26 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper |
| 15:41.27 | dpkg | ndiswrapper is probably a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 15:41.32 | sylvisj | Apparently there are no drivers for Linux. |
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| 15:41.43 | Lanix | heyyyyy |
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| 15:41.51 | j4cbo | the onboard ethernet? |
| 15:41.56 | sylvisj | Yep. |
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| 15:42.09 | sylvisj | Apparently linux isn't seeing it/isn't using it/doesn't know what it is. |
| 15:42.13 | j4cbo | forcedeth |
| 15:42.15 | abrotman | sylvisj: use ndiswrapper |
| 15:42.19 | nvz | abrotman: hmm I wonder how much that costs |
| 15:42.23 | sylvisj | I'm using the AMD64 distro. |
| 15:42.24 | abrotman | sylvisj: 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 15:42.28 | abrotman | nvz: i'm looking :) |
| 15:42.32 | sylvisj | Yes, abrotman. |
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| 15:43.01 | sylvisj | I'm not using a card, I'm using onboard ethernet. |
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| 15:43.16 | abrotman | use ndiswrapper |
| 15:43.17 | j4cbo | yeah, the "forcedeth" driver works for me |
| 15:43.24 | abrotman | nvz: last i knew 5k+ |
| 15:43.27 | sylvisj | You're using nforce4 onboard? |
| 15:43.29 | j4cbo | yes |
| 15:43.31 | atom-z | does anyone know how I could mount a disgo USB memory stick device under debian? |
| 15:43.38 | sylvisj | Where do I get the forcedeth driver/how do I set it up? |
| 15:43.39 | abrotman | nvz: cdw might have them ? |
| 15:43.44 | nvz | abrotman: thats about $5k more than I spend |
| 15:43.46 | pepsi | sylvisj, are they already there? |
| 15:43.46 | j4cbo | it's in the 2.6 kernels |
| 15:43.51 | sylvisj | pepsi, not sure. |
| 15:43.52 | abrotman | nvz: cheap yinzer! |
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| 15:43.54 | case^ | nforce boards have official support I just got everything I needed |
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| 15:44.05 | pepsi | modprobe forcedeth then |
| 15:44.09 | sylvisj | Alright. |
| 15:44.12 | sylvisj | Brb while I try that. |
| 15:44.21 | j4cbo | if it didn't work i wouldn't be talking |
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| 15:44.37 | case^ | no idea what the funk to do wit the files but I have them |
| 15:44.41 | pepsi | ?! he has to log off to do that? |
| 15:44.43 | pepsi | heh |
| 15:44.55 | j4cbo | er oops |
| 15:44.58 | nvz | abrotman: who wants to count 500,000 pennies? :P |
| 15:44.59 | j4cbo | i just remembered |
| 15:45.14 | j4cbo | the driver wasn't on the install cd, i had to use a different card to install |
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| 15:45.35 | j4cbo | but once i got the latest kernel package it worked |
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| 15:45.40 | nvz | abrotman: I think it would be funny to make major technology purchaces entirely in pennies |
| 15:45.42 | m2 | abrotman: sunday, bloody sunday |
| 15:46.04 | AzMoo | pepsi, he has one computer and he's fixing the ethernet. I'm guessing he was in his second OS. |
| 15:46.13 | pepsi | i see |
| 15:46.20 | nvz | abrotman: I'd have to make sure my visa falls out while I am lugging in the piggy bank |
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| 15:46.26 | AzMoo | But hey, a lot of assumptions there. |
| 15:46.34 | nvz | abrotman: so they know I am doing it just to be a PITA |
| 15:46.43 | j4cbo | i bought my first ipod in cash, not quite the same though |
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| 15:46.45 | Blaamann | How do I find out if mozilla-firefox (etch/testing) is linked against gtk1 or gtk2 ? |
| 15:47.11 | streuner | Blaamann: /msg dpkg depends <package> |
| 15:47.13 | pepsi | j4cbo, you may be right about that, i know i installed from a minimal cd not too long ago, but i have another ethernet card in there and i dont remember if i had to use it |
| 15:47.19 | m2 | Blaamann: gtk2 |
| 15:47.33 | j4cbo | yeah |
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| 15:48.05 | j4cbo | i must say i don't see the point of dual gigabit ethernet on a motherboard |
| 15:48.07 | brosio | in phpmyadmin how could i create a relation between two table ? |
| 15:48.09 | m2 | Blaamann: $ ldd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin | grep gtk |
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| 15:48.29 | abrotman | nvz: hehe |
| 15:48.47 | case^ | j4cbo - it's a easy way to start a gigabite ICS |
| 15:49.02 | case^ | or whatever it's called in debian |
| 15:49.10 | case^ | *byte |
| 15:49.27 | case^ | this house network is sweet |
| 15:49.31 | j4cbo | i guess |
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| 15:49.44 | case^ | aprt from that - I have no iidea |
| 15:49.47 | Blaamann | Thanks, now I can build mplayerplug-in from their cvs server. |
| 15:50.11 | j4cbo | competition |
| 15:50.18 | j4cbo | "our board has built-in gigabit" |
| 15:50.30 | j4cbo | "well this one has TWO gigabit connections!" |
| 15:50.35 | case^ | laffo |
| 15:50.37 | case^ | I guess |
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| 15:50.54 | Eca`s | moin moin |
| 15:51.02 | j4cbo | and 7.1 sound |
| 15:51.06 | alekzandr | i just had a wierd server problem, there was very high cpu usage, i rebooted the server, and upon reboot almost the entire /var dir was deleted |
| 15:51.17 | j4cbo | but built-in firewire is nice to have |
| 15:51.18 | m2 | j4cbo: which board has dual Gb on it? |
| 15:51.28 | case^ | my DFI Lanparty.... |
| 15:51.33 | terrencevak | Could someone take a look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/875, and perhaps tell me if either of these files are why I can't boot debian on start-up? |
| 15:51.36 | case^ | most NForce 4 boards |
| 15:51.37 | nabz | hey guys. im trying to install adobe PS with wine. and i get a error saying .\autoplay\main.ini.. anyone got any ideas? thanx |
| 15:51.40 | nvz | hmm I guess my phone line has to be plugged in on both ends for this telephone thing to work |
| 15:51.53 | j4cbo | m2: msi k8n neo4 platinum here |
| 15:52.16 | j4cbo | one of them's in the chipset, the other has a dedicated pcie link |
| 15:52.32 | case^ | mhm |
| 15:52.53 | nabz | hey guys. im trying to install adobe PS with wine. and i get a error saying .this prorgam requires windows 2000 or XP .. anyone got any ideas? thanx |
| 15:53.03 | nabz | lol new error |
| 15:53.10 | case^ | google? |
| 15:53.13 | nabz | grr |
| 15:53.16 | case^ | sorry |
| 15:53.20 | nabz | lol |
| 15:53.47 | mrpickles444 | does anyone know if there is a debian apt-get package for limewire ? |
| 15:54.00 | ke6isf | !tell nabz -about repeat |
| 15:54.01 | j4cbo | nabz: try #winehq, i know there's an option to fake which windows version it is but i don't know what it is |
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| 15:54.12 | nvz | mrpickles444: gift |
| 15:54.12 | shingouz | mrpickles444: apt-cache search limewire perhaps? |
| 15:54.20 | nabz | k thanx |
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| 15:54.56 | nabz | which server is the winehq in? |
| 15:55.01 | mrpickles444 | nvz, you mean the gift file sharing thing ? |
| 15:55.10 | nabz | nvm |
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| 15:55.20 | mrpickles444 | shingouz, nope no limewire |
| 15:55.28 | case^ | use torrent.py |
| 15:55.29 | nvz | mrpickles444: its better than limewire, uses a client-server model, connects multiple networs at once with plugins including but not limited to the gnutella network limewire uses, and has many client frontends to choose from |
| 15:55.31 | m2 | nabz: there is a setting somewhere in the wine conf that lets you pick which version of Windows it reports. That's pretty much all I know, so I can't help you further. |
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| 15:55.48 | case^ | muchos easier |
| 15:56.03 | nabz | kthanx m2 :) |
| 15:56.09 | mrpickles444 | nvz, I know what it is I used a gift client for os ten back when I used a mac. I just didn't know that they had gift clients for linux, silly me ^^ |
| 15:56.17 | shingouz | terrencevak: they look kosher to me. what kind of an error do you get when oyu try to boot |
| 15:57.28 | nvz | mrpickles444: there are lots. giFTcurs for a simple console client, giftoxic for a simple gtk based client, apollon for a more advanced KDE/QT based client |
| 15:57.30 | pepsi | mrpickles444, gtk-gnutella works well too, but as you can guess, it only does gnutella |
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| 15:58.19 | terrencevak | shingouz: It said something like, "Please append a ??? root= option to ??? boot ???" (I couldn't read it too well. Then it said "kernel panic - Not syncing: unable to mount root fs to unknown-block {3.1>. |
| 15:58.36 | nvz | mrpickles444: there are only 3 fully functional network plugins available right now libopenft-gift libgnutella-gift and libfasttrack-gift (not in debian but available as a deb from unofficial sources) |
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| 15:59.05 | nvz | mrpickles444: there are many others but they are not fully functional searching, downloading or other things are broken |
| 15:59.11 | shingouz | terrencevak: in that case your root fs is not where your kernel wants it to be |
| 15:59.25 | mrpickles444 | nvz, thanks let me see if I can get gift toxic |
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| 15:59.51 | terrencevak | shingouz: How do I find out where the kernel wants it? |
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| 16:00.16 | jvives | hey guys, how can I skip a dependency using apt/dpkg? |
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| 16:00.38 | jvives | or how can specify that the pakage "foo" is actually called "foo-bar" |
| 16:01.23 | terrencevak | jvives: Did you try apt-get -f install <package>? |
| 16:01.32 | shingouz | terrencevak: you tell the kernel where it is, not the other way around. append root=/dev/whereverthehellyourrootfsis and rerun lilo |
| 16:02.28 | abrotman | jvives: don't do that |
| 16:02.43 | abrotman | jvives: you shouldn't ever skip a dependency |
| 16:02.48 | jvives | terrencevak the problem is that I downloaded a .deb from sourceforge and it has a dependency problem |
| 16:02.57 | abrotman | jvives: dependency on what? |
| 16:03.02 | jvives | just a name problem |
| 16:03.13 | j4cbo | there's probably a difference |
| 16:03.13 | asuffield | bet it isn't |
| 16:03.21 | jvives | it ask for libwxgtk2.4 while the name is libwxgtk2.4-1 |
| 16:03.22 | abrotman | jvives: dependency on what? |
| 16:03.30 | asuffield | yup, thought so |
| 16:03.42 | jvives | what can I do?! |
| 16:03.45 | asuffield | that's not "just a name problem". they aren't compatible. that's *why* they have different names |
| 16:03.46 | terrencevak | shingouz: Oh...I see...but that's what I did...I told it root=/dev/hda1. |
| 16:03.47 | abrotman | stupid people who don't know how to make dependencies |
| 16:03.58 | asuffield | if you force it then it will just break |
| 16:03.59 | abrotman | eeyore-: 4 finished! |
| 16:04.06 | shingouz | terrencevak: is the filesystem there? |
| 16:04.19 | syntaxx | is there anyone here tries ragnarok in wine on sarge? i just wanna ask something |
| 16:04.21 | jvives | E: Package libwxgtk2.4 has no installation candidate |
| 16:04.34 | terrencevak | That's where I put it. |
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| 16:04.58 | terrencevak | shingouz: Unless the system put it somewhere else. |
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| 16:05.23 | shingouz | terrencevak: then find it and tell the bootloader/kernel where the filesystem is |
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| 16:05.41 | jvives | abrotman: so, what should I do? |
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| 16:06.07 | terrencevak | shingouz: How do I be sure where the filesystem *is?* |
| 16:06.14 | brullo | jvives, unstable? |
| 16:06.19 | abrotman | jvives: what are you trying to install ? |
| 16:06.27 | jvives | brullo: yep |
| 16:06.33 | jvives | abrotman: dvdstyler |
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| 16:06.54 | shingouz | terrencevak: boot the box and look at the partitions you have, mount them and look for the place where / is |
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| 16:06.59 | abrotman | jvives: email the guy and ask him to update it ? |
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| 16:07.41 | jvives | ain't a bad idea... ;) |
| 16:07.50 | jvives | ok guys, thx anyway! |
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| 16:08.17 | jason | How do I get the spell check to work in Evolution? It doesn{t seem to have spell chheck yet |
| 16:08.22 | abrotman | or you could unpack the deb .. and change the deps |
| 16:08.28 | abrotman | which probably wouldn't work anyways :) |
| 16:08.37 | abrotman | jason: install .. aspell/ispell ? |
| 16:08.51 | terrencevak | shingouz: My kernel came from an initrd image. Do I need to note that somehow? Also, I actually have two systems on this thing. I get into 6hat system by chroot (if I want to do it without rebooting the whole machine. And rebooting the machine is when I get those errors. |
| 16:09.09 | case^ | I still can't boot shit |
| 16:09.12 | case^ | :(( |
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| 16:09.30 | shingouz | terrencevak: "came from an initrd image"? is that a debian kernel or a custom or what is it? |
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| 16:09.37 | case^ | where is install.exe? :( |
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| 16:10.02 | abrotman | jason: erm .. that's not right ... |
| 16:10.07 | amphi | case^: you are delirious? |
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| 16:10.17 | terrencevak | shingouz: It's a debian package. I did apt-get install linux-image-... to get it. |
| 16:10.22 | brullo | case^, THAT is a VIRUS ;-) |
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| 16:10.35 | m00trix | i installed all the xfonts-* how can i set them? |
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| 16:10.53 | abrotman | gah ... all the vagueness! |
| 16:10.58 | case^ | no my point is how do install this distro |
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| 16:11.14 | case^ | won't bbot into it |
| 16:11.27 | case^ | and can't install from inside windows |
| 16:11.35 | fbi | </nfl> philly is going to *SPANK* dallas |
| 16:11.40 | brullo | case^, vmware? |
| 16:11.45 | abrotman | jason: from the docs ,, To choose a spell-checking language, select it here. You must install the gnome-spell package, available through ZENworks Linux Management, for spell-checking to be available in Evolution. |
| 16:11.51 | abrotman | fbi: does this bother you? |
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| 16:11.53 | trichknow | #flood |
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| 16:12.07 | abrotman | jason: check the help file in the app |
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| 16:12.09 | fbi | abrotman: of course not. |
| 16:12.13 | jason | oh ok |
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| 16:12.21 | abrotman | fbi: you're a dallas fan ? |
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| 16:12.22 | amphi | case^: why can't you boot the cd? |
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| 16:12.32 | shingouz | terrencevak: i think you can only have one bootloader on the box in anycase. do you have lilo on both linux systems? if you have, you must point to the debian root fs from the active bootloader |
| 16:12.34 | jason | thanks guys see ya |
| 16:12.34 | nvz | whats the status like on modem support anymore? I want to use my pc as a caller ID type thing.. I got two PCI modems sitting here one seems to have a lucent chipset and the other has an intel chipset |
| 16:12.39 | fanti | hey! i'm looking for gcc-3.3.5 .deb packages? |
| 16:12.42 | fbi | no. |
| 16:12.51 | case^ | the cd-drive will not boot it |
| 16:12.57 | fbi | the only good thing about dallas is their cheerleading squad. |
| 16:12.57 | mrpickles444 | nvz, I downloaded giftoxic but i can't seem to run it. DO I need any other packages besides just giftoxic ? |
| 16:13.02 | case^ | even though it booted and installed XP fine |
| 16:13.08 | syntaxx | testing is much better to install than unstable right? |
| 16:13.09 | jason | nvz good support wiht that chipset |
| 16:13.20 | shingouz | syntaxx: if you have to ask, go with stable |
| 16:13.23 | jason | anyway, I am out a here |
| 16:13.29 | abrotman | fbi: you're a philly fan? |
| 16:13.33 | useruser | anyone find that xfs and XFree86 make things very slow sometimes? Specifically when loading pages with lots of fonts in opera... doesn't happen in other browsers |
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| 16:13.46 | rzr | hi |
| 16:13.50 | case^ | all the tools make no sense |
| 16:13.53 | syntaxx | shingouz, yeah i know.. but the latest release of the file that i want to upgrade i think its in testing |
| 16:13.56 | abrotman | nvz: i think you need a special modem for that ? |
| 16:13.56 | fbi | abrotman: i've always liked the eagles |
| 16:13.59 | terrencevak | shingouz: So the active bootloader would be the one for the system that I last booted from? |
| 16:14.08 | abrotman | nvz: other than just looking at the number |
| 16:14.11 | nvz | abrotman: I think I need _a_ modem for that |
| 16:14.11 | shingouz | terrencevak: i suspect so |
| 16:14.15 | abrotman | fbi: but you're not from philly? |
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| 16:14.18 | fbi | i have lots of good friends who live in phily |
| 16:14.20 | abrotman | nvz: oh .. yeah |
| 16:14.21 | nvz | abrotman: one that is supported |
| 16:14.36 | rzr | any1 here has probleme w/ mozilla firefox : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=305355 ? |
| 16:14.40 | shingouz | syntaxx: and what is this mythical file you want if i may ask such a stupid question |
| 16:14.42 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 16:14.42 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 16:14.44 | karl | Has anyone succeded with dvb card skystar2 on sarge? My problem is that the card hangs after some time femon does show the signal but dvbtraffic outputs nothing |
| 16:14.44 | fbi | abrotman i live in so. cal. but i go to philly twice a year |
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| 16:14.53 | nvz | abrotman: not sure which one to use. I only got 3 of em, and the other is some old ISA combo card I know isnt going to work |
| 16:14.57 | abrotman | fbi: i live outside philly |
| 16:15.04 | syntaxx | shingouz, its funny.. gaim :D |
| 16:15.09 | terrencevak | OK, here we go again! |
| 16:15.11 | abrotman | rzr: flash ? |
| 16:15.25 | case^ | I think I'm going to waste time a different way |
| 16:15.30 | fbi | oh yeah? do you ever party on south street? |
| 16:15.34 | shingouz | syntaxx: hmmm.... what version of debian do you run now? |
| 16:15.44 | syntaxx | shingouz, sarge |
| 16:16.10 | abrotman | fbi: a co-worker used to live on south street .. but i live about an hour from south street .. and there are a *shitload* of drunks driving those roads after midnight |
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| 16:16.37 | shingouz | syntaxx: and the sarge version of gaim does not work as it should? you could go to etch but going to sid is a no-no imho |
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| 16:16.46 | abrotman | my gaim works |
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| 16:16.58 | fbi | tattm's is a great bar but yeah i know what you mean |
| 16:17.01 | shingouz | so does mine |
| 16:17.02 | abrotman | nvz: isa modems are great |
| 16:17.04 | brullo | my gaim is ok |
| 16:17.04 | mrpickles444 | speaking of gaim, has anyone figured out how to get gaim dc to work behind a router ? |
| 16:17.05 | fbi | errr |
| 16:17.09 | case^ | seriously how do you install this when you are windows |
| 16:17.13 | syntaxx | shingouz, it works alright.. just the new feature like buzz hehe |
| 16:17.24 | fbi | tattoo mom's |
| 16:17.31 | shingouz | mrpickles444: just like any other irc client behind a nat. forward some ports |
| 16:17.37 | brullo | case^, is your ISO properly burned? |
| 16:17.40 | fbi | ircing on my cellie hehe |
| 16:17.45 | terrencevak | shingouz: OK, I changed that, ran lilo, and got: "Warning: /dev/hdc1 is not on the first disk" Do I need to change something here?` |
| 16:17.47 | fbi | mini keyboards suck |
| 16:17.49 | shingouz | syntaxx: bah. versionitis |
| 16:17.50 | abrotman | fbi: there are lots of fun places .... last time i really drank down there was at .. the irish bar on south+front |
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| 16:18.09 | shingouz | terrencevak: does it boot? if it boots, go for it |
| 16:18.14 | mrpickles444 | shingouz, could you please take some time and graciously enlighten a noob about port forwarding ? FYI, my router is an apple router |
| 16:18.22 | abrotman | fbi: Downey's i think it's called |
| 16:18.25 | nvz | abrotman: the lucent one seems "special in the fact that it has a big transformer, but the intel is special too cause it has 14 life-sized capacitors, where as the lucent only has one. Life-sized are bigger than those little tiny surface mount ones |
| 16:18.25 | amphi | case^: if you have a floppy drive, you can use smart boot loader on a floppy to boot off cd, if yr bios won't boot it |
| 16:18.26 | syntaxx | shingouz, nah.. it just my gf is too slow to reply.. need a reminder :D |
| 16:18.43 | abrotman | nvz: you have weird hardware |
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| 16:18.50 | case^ | I've wasted 6 cd's buring this shit |
| 16:18.53 | nvz | abrotman: heh I have no idea what the difference is between them or which one is likely to be supported |
| 16:18.54 | case^ | fuck it |
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| 16:19.00 | fbi | i don't think i've ever been there but then again i don't remember the names of lots of places when i go out |
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| 16:19.27 | abrotman | fbi: it's all the way at the end .. down by the pier |
| 16:19.33 | shingouz | mrpickles444: basically you tell your irc client which ports to use for dcc sends. then you configure your router to forward incoming TCP connections to the ip where you are actually ircing. how you do it on your particular router is beyond me |
| 16:19.39 | nvz | abrotman: its called FREE hardware |
| 16:19.45 | fbi | last time i was in philly we went to this club called soma a few times, that place is cool |
| 16:19.46 | abrotman | nvz: you're good at that |
| 16:19.48 | enraged | hi, i've automake1.4 installed and would like to upgrade to automake1.7 |
| 16:19.51 | mrpickles444 | shingouz, thanks |
| 16:19.55 | paulswm | Well, case^ giving up is probably a good thing for the debian community |
| 16:20.00 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:20.01 | enraged | i've installed 1.7 but keeps using 1.4 |
| 16:20.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:20.09 | shingouz | !beer paulswm |
| 16:20.09 | terrencevak | shingouz: Well, it said it added the 2 labels. |
| 16:20.15 | nvz | abrotman: the ISA card is an mwave or something.. and its "stuck" in the Aptiva |
| 16:20.17 | abrotman | enraged: change the link ? |
| 16:20.24 | abrotman | nvz: stuck ? |
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| 16:20.33 | shingouz | terrencevak: cross your fingers and reboot (after you have made a nice rescue disk) |
| 16:20.38 | enraged | abrotman: not a link... automake is a perl script |
| 16:20.43 | paulswm | Heh, shingouz, thanks, good to see you, hope you are OK |
| 16:20.46 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I forced the goofy assed case back together the wrong way and now I cant get it open again |
| 16:20.49 | enraged | and changing veersion there won't work |
| 16:20.51 | nvz | heh |
| 16:20.58 | abrotman | enraged: ls -l `which automake` |
| 16:21.01 | terrencevak | OK...here we go... |
| 16:21.01 | shingouz | nvz: mwave ? linux = no sound afaik :( |
| 16:21.13 | shingouz | s/?/+ |
| 16:21.23 | nvz | shingouz: I am not looking for sound, I am looking for a modem canidate out of this pile of crap I got |
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| 16:21.46 | shingouz | nvz: mwave works after a fashion but you need a custom kernel for it |
| 16:21.46 | valdyn | nvz: mwave is a softmodem |
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| 16:22.00 | shingouz | nvz: not worth it really |
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| 16:22.13 | valdyn | nvz: should work with stock kernel and the appropriate alsa driver |
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| 16:22.24 | beargins | hey someone help, when i boot my laptop, it repeats: info: switching console charset mapping to ISO-8859-1 ; configuring base system |
| 16:22.24 | nvz | well I got two PCI cards here one has an Intel sticker on the chipset and the other one says lucent on the chipset. |
| 16:22.25 | enraged | abrotman: /etc/alternatives/automake |
| 16:22.34 | nvz | there are probably both fucking winmodems for all I know |
| 16:22.35 | beargins | over and over |
| 16:22.35 | abrotman | enraged: ls -l /etc/alternatives/automake |
| 16:22.51 | abrotman | enraged: man update-alternatives |
| 16:23.00 | nvz | its nearly impossible to identify modems by looking at them anymore |
| 16:23.01 | smacnay | I just realized I have mysql running with no databases created. Idiot I am. |
| 16:23.16 | abrotman | smacnay: for running mysql .. yes |
| 16:23.16 | mrwill | is /etc/php4/cgi/php.ini the correct file for configuring php as a cgi on sarge? |
| 16:23.21 | smacnay | abrotman: hehe |
| 16:23.21 | shingouz | valdyn: mwave and sound on linux with a stock kernel? really? how the hell is that done? |
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| 16:23.32 | smacnay | abrotman: not an app you look favourably on? |
| 16:23.48 | abrotman | smacnay: that would be .. generous :) |
| 16:23.56 | smacnay | abrotman: is it a weaker sql compared to others? |
| 16:24.03 | abrotman | smacnay: more like .. a total waste of time for the developers involved :) |
| 16:24.05 | beargins | well |
| 16:24.15 | valdyn | shingouz: there's a mwave driver that is not in stock kernels, that's what you are talking about, but sl-modem-daemon can talk to alsa drivers just aswell, driver probably was snd-intel8x0m |
| 16:24.16 | abrotman | !tell smacnay about mysql |
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| 16:24.24 | paulswm | smacnay: Unless you have to use mysql, postgresql is far, far better in most respects |
| 16:24.34 | abrotman | s/most/all/ :) |
| 16:24.40 | abrotman | unless you really want a crappy DB |
| 16:24.52 | shingouz | valdyn: really? might it work on thinkpads too? hmmmm..... i need to get hacking i think |
| 16:24.58 | paulswm | abrotman: Heh |
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| 16:25.06 | rzr | abrotman: no w/out flash |
| 16:25.13 | valdyn | shingouz: it seems to work on my thinkpad, but i haven't actually tried the modem yet. |
| 16:25.13 | smacnay | abrotman: really, I know so little about it but, 6 months ago, had the grand notion of "cataloging" all my info for db retrieval. |
| 16:25.14 | abrotman | rzr: your lag sucks :) |
| 16:25.19 | smacnay | paulswm: thanks for the info |
| 16:25.22 | abrotman | rzr: other than that . no i haven't seen that issue |
| 16:25.23 | rzr | i was away :) |
| 16:25.27 | shingouz | valdyn: which tp is that? |
| 16:25.28 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks for the dpkg info. |
| 16:25.39 | smacnay | My ignorance shows how little I have used it. |
| 16:25.53 | valdyn | shingouz: t40 |
| 16:26.03 | valdyn | shingouz: snd-intel8x0 is the driver, just checked |
| 16:26.09 | paulswm | smacnay: No problem. it's not just my opinion, it really is much better, and the documentation is very good, good enough to learn from. |
| 16:26.21 | shingouz | valdyn: ah.. i think that one is a lot newer than mwave then |
| 16:26.51 | dspstv | ei, plis, could someone tell me how to figure out which recent-kernel-sources bring USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN modules. i just figured out 2.6.12 doesnt while 2.6.10 had them |
| 16:26.53 | smacnay | paulswm: I found the mysql stuff rather hard to slog through ( ...maybe that is why I never got my db set up... ) |
| 16:27.08 | paulswm | smacnay: If you want a GUI front end, pgaccess is fairly good |
| 16:27.08 | dspstv | any way on how to search the kernel trees? |
| 16:27.13 | abrotman | smacnay: mysql does work for most people .. but it has so many ... 'Gotchas' that it's really .. not worth learning because you will work around all its flaws and not the 'correct' way |
| 16:27.18 | abrotman | paulswm: tora also |
| 16:27.19 | smacnay | paulswm: for postgres? |
| 16:27.27 | paulswm | smacnay: Yes |
| 16:27.28 | shingouz | valdyn: the mwave nvz and i am talking about is isa and used on either old aptivas of P1 heritage or old thinkpads like the 755 or 760 |
| 16:27.37 | dspstv | or at least where can i ask, browse... |
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| 16:27.47 | abrotman | !tell smacnay about mysql gotchas |
| 16:27.57 | paulswm | smacnay: If you have already struggled with the mysql docs, you will *love* postgresql :) |
| 16:28.03 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks for the heads-up on the "gotchas" issues. I am sure that would have been a noticeable point as I started working on it. |
| 16:28.09 | valdyn | shingouz: who produced mwave? intel? |
| 16:28.33 | smacnay | paulswm: I look forward to reading them soon. As soon as I dpkg -purge mysql |
| 16:28.47 | abrotman | postgresql.org/docs |
| 16:28.50 | fanti | i need to downgrade gcc3.3 from 3.3.6 to 3.3.5 ? how could that be done? |
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| 16:29.19 | fanti | my /var/cache/apt/archive doesn't have the 3.3.5 version |
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| 16:29.34 | nvz | going to see what the kernel calls them.. since they have no readily identifying marks |
| 16:29.36 | shingouz | valdyn: i think it was contracted by IBM back then, not sure who actually did the chips. the modem and the dsp are very weird. modem is a straight sofmodem and the sound needs to be configured in dos to get proper irq's and i/o's before it can be used with a generic sb driver. pain |
| 16:29.38 | goccia | gotchas gotchas ... i am a goccia :) |
| 16:29.57 | paulswm | smacnay: I don't use pgaccess a lot, but if a GUI is your preference, here are some pgaccess screen shots: http://www.flex.ro/pgaccess/screenshots.html |
| 16:30.01 | nvz | goccia: do you believe that the hand is quicker than the eye? |
| 16:30.21 | goccia | nvz: can't recall that song atm :) |
| 16:30.37 | nvz | I didn't say anything about a song |
| 16:30.43 | abrotman | paulswm: did i ever tell you that the oracle GUI thingie .. SUCKS :) |
| 16:30.46 | shingouz | nvz: when it comes to garfield and lasagna, the mouth is quicker than the eye.... :p |
| 16:30.57 | goccia | must be ripped into a song for sure |
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| 16:31.13 | abrotman | yay |
| 16:31.17 | case^ | done being annoyed |
| 16:31.21 | paulswm | abrotman: I use SQL Navigator for Oracle, it sucks s bit but not too bad |
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| 16:31.50 | abrotman | boxcars! |
| 16:32.05 | metaperl | what's the best way to get started with music composition in Linux? |
| 16:32.06 | shingouz | dobermann? |
| 16:32.23 | abrotman | metaperl: i just gave nvz a great link the other day! |
| 16:32.32 | nvz | well the one came up Lucent Microelectronic LT Winmode (as I figured) the other didnt show.. must not be plugged in all the way |
| 16:32.40 | metaperl | abrotman: what was it? |
| 16:32.41 | abrotman | nvz: did that link help ? |
| 16:32.49 | abrotman | metaperl: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/08/04/2014227&tid=75 |
| 16:33.03 | nvz | abrotman: what link? |
| 16:33.07 | abrotman | nvz: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/08/04/2014227&tid=75 |
| 16:33.11 | abrotman | nvz: wasn't to you ? |
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| 16:33.22 | abrotman | maybe it was to peterS |
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| 16:34.04 | nvz | abrotman: about the Rachel App chic? |
| 16:34.13 | abrotman | nvz: yeah |
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| 16:34.26 | stew | metaperl: linux-sound.org |
| 16:34.40 | nvz | abrotman: there were quite a few programs on there I had not seen before. and even the ones I had used had drastically improved |
| 16:34.57 | cahoot | metaperl: #lad might be a good place to ask |
| 16:35.02 | abrotman | nvz: i wish beast were in debian |
| 16:35.05 | abrotman | wait .. not beast |
| 16:35.18 | abrotman | shoot .. what was it |
| 16:35.35 | abrotman | bah .. nfc |
| 16:35.36 | paulswm | abrotman: hogballs? :P |
| 16:35.43 | abrotman | paulswm: hehe |
| 16:35.58 | smacnay | paulswm: I assume that console entry for postgres is similar to how mysql does it? Or is there a console/curses app for entry/management? |
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| 16:36.37 | paulswm | smacnay: The clients come with the package. The client is psql. |
| 16:36.46 | smacnay | paulswm: thanks |
| 16:36.46 | metaperl | abrotman: that's a super article. thanks. do you read that every day? |
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| 16:37.04 | abrotman | metaperl: newsforge? |
| 16:37.10 | metaperl | yes |
| 16:37.19 | abrotman | metaperl: no ..actually very rarely .. i just got lucky :) |
| 16:37.28 | smacnay | paulswm: pgaccess looks like a very usable front end. |
| 16:37.31 | paulswm | smacnay: And you will love this: everything is fully documented, including a step by step beginners' tutorial right from creating a database. Just install, pull up the docs, and do the tutorial :) |
| 16:37.45 | nvz | well lspci tells me I have a choice between Lucent Microelectronics LT WinModem, or Tiger Jet Network Inc. Tiger3XX Modem/ISDN interface |
| 16:38.05 | abrotman | ah . .i found it |
| 16:38.10 | amphi | nvz: ltmodems are quite well supported |
| 16:38.13 | paulswm | smacnay: I'm kind of old fashioned so I do a lot of stuff via the command line client, but, yes, pgaccess is not bad at all. |
| 16:38.23 | smacnay | paulswm: that will be perfect for me. I assume that db's can be exported to various types of table. |
| 16:38.23 | nvz | amphi: nativly? |
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| 16:38.50 | amphi | nvz: 'natively'? |
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| 16:38.54 | paulswm | smacnay: Yes, you can even export a table to a text file of SQL inserts |
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| 16:39.02 | smacnay | paulswm: I prefer command line, myself. If I can use command line for all my needs, I won't freak out when X breaks on me some day. :) |
| 16:39.09 | smacnay | paulswm: neat. |
| 16:39.16 | nvz | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 16:39.18 | abrotman | nvz: metaperl : http://bloodshed.net/wired/ |
| 16:39.23 | paulswm | smacnay: Again, backups and exports, etc are all fully documented :) |
| 16:39.28 | brosio | in phpmyadmin how could i create a relation between two table ? |
| 16:39.32 | smacnay | paulswm: thanks a lot for the help. You may have just changed my life in a small way... |
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| 16:39.45 | abrotman | brosio: use .. foreign keys? |
| 16:39.56 | brosio | but how ? |
| 16:39.58 | paulswm | smacnay: You're wlecome, buddy. I have, I hope, saved you years of frustration :) |
| 16:40.02 | amphi | nvz: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/Ltmodem.html |
| 16:40.02 | nvz | I just want to get a modem setup and goto sleep. not interested in random links right now |
| 16:40.13 | abrotman | paulswm: and the fear of lost data :) |
| 16:40.20 | abrotman | nvz: READ DAMN IT! |
| 16:40.22 | paulswm | abrotman: Heh, yes |
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| 16:40.31 | amphi | nvz: you will find [a link to] a driver on that page |
| 16:40.41 | smacnay | paulswm: that is what I meant when I said you might have changed my life... maybe even prevented thoughts of technocide (computer murder) |
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| 16:41.23 | abrotman | nvz: READ DAMN IT! |
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| 16:41.55 | metaperl | abrotman: none of the links work on the wired page |
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| 16:42.02 | abrotman | metaperl: none ? |
| 16:42.05 | abrotman | metaperl: such as ? |
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| 16:42.12 | paulswm | smacnay: I've used various RDBMSes professionally, at the moment Oracle. However, at home I prefer to use postgresql, it is perfect - with the latest release, you can even emulate table partitioning if you wish (although I don't) |
| 16:42.23 | abrotman | metaperl: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=120022 |
| 16:42.30 | Supaplex | paulswm++ |
| 16:42.31 | abrotman | metaperl: it's still a very new application |
| 16:42.32 | Supaplex | :) |
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| 16:42.35 | paulswm | smacnay: And there is a huge amount of useful info on the web |
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| 16:42.49 | paulswm | Supaplex: :) |
| 16:42.59 | smacnay | paulswm: I am looking at the web site now and see "user commented" docs. |
| 16:43.22 | abrotman | smacnay: some of those can be very helpful |
| 16:43.24 | smacnay | paulswm: well I have a project to look into for some week. |
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| 16:43.37 | smacnay | abrotman: I am sure they will be. Thanks |
| 16:43.51 | Supaplex | paulswm: giving mysql the benifit of the doubt, do you think it's sane to use mysql in a carrier class application? (billing, management, provisioning, trouble reporting and on and on ...) |
| 16:43.52 | case^ | HOLY HELL IT BOOTED |
| 16:43.57 | abrotman | metaperl: oh .. you're right .. i had just clicked on the forums link .. and it worked :) |
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| 16:44.28 | Supaplex | paulswm: one of our developers insists on using mysql 5, and I'm apparently the only one with a clue about how cool Pg is :) |
| 16:44.45 | thingfish | case^: you'll probably want to do linux26 at the prompt. |
| 16:45.15 | terrencevak | shinouz: Well, that didn't work. Should I remove the lilo package from my new system? |
| 16:45.22 | paulswm | Supaplex: To be quite honest, I personally wouldn't use mysql in any production type application, I wouldn't even consider it. |
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| 16:45.36 | X1n3 | hi |
| 16:45.57 | Supaplex | paulswm: my thoughts as well. Mind if I pm you? |
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| 16:46.03 | abrotman | Supaplex: he knows that mysql5 is .. Alpha software right ? |
| 16:46.06 | vikash | hi |
| 16:46.19 | abrotman | oh .. maybe it's beta now .. but what an idiot :) |
| 16:46.26 | Supaplex | abrotman: yup.. |
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| 16:46.55 | abrotman | Supaplex: use the mysql gotchas page (though to be fair you should use the pgsql gotchas page too) |
| 16:46.56 | paulswm | Supaplex: Sure |
| 16:47.13 | abrotman | Supaplex: and it does apply to mysql4.1 .. not 5 |
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| 16:48.57 | Supaplex | yea, I saw that page. I printed some article from wikipedia that compares db's, showing the mysql is tailing behind. I suggested to our boss (not quite the geek he should be) reasons that Pg will fit the application. The other sysadmins backlash a little because they either don't know how Pg compares, and/or refuse to maintain another dbms etc |
| 16:49.31 | Supaplex | that and the developer has his heart set on it :P |
| 16:50.12 | smacnay | abrotman: paulswm : I am off - thanks |
| 16:50.20 | abrotman | yay |
| 16:50.22 | paulswm | smacnay: yw |
| 16:50.24 | abrotman | we converted! |
| 16:50.41 | terrencevak | shingouz: When I try to boot, I get the contents of http://channels.debian.net/paste/876 |
| 16:51.12 | nvz | bah I found a ltmodem.deb and the fucker depends on 2.6.8-2-386 and I have 2.6.8-2-k7 installed |
| 16:51.31 | terrencevak | shingouz: (I finally managed to read that all and get it written down. Flat-screens are a good thing. |
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| 16:52.03 | eXistenZ | what is the best anti-spam system for kmail? |
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| 16:53.06 | amphi | nvz: just get the src tarball and do make && make install |
| 16:53.16 | shingouz | terrencevak: is your root fs formatted to twhatever the kernel can actually use? ext2 perhaps? |
| 16:53.18 | nvz | the _only_ anti-spam system for kmail is the built in filters which are really nice. but you of course have to create your own filters. other anti-spam measures have nothing to do with kmail |
| 16:53.23 | amphi | nvz: ltmodem drivers are trivial to install |
| 16:53.29 | goccia | can't understand : i have tcpdump 3.8.3-5 on sarge , today DSA 850-1 tcpdump infinite loop says : sarge and sid fixed versions are 3.8.3-4 (same nversion), is it a typo and am i running an unstable version ? |
| 16:53.35 | amphi | nvz: you do need the kernel src |
| 16:53.41 | nvz | I am going to bed. I am too tired to be playing with this fucking winmodem |
| 16:53.50 | terrencevak | shingouz: Yes, it is ext2 |
| 16:54.04 | amphi | *shrug* |
| 16:54.19 | case^ | to anyone who cares |
| 16:54.27 | case^ | my cd dive was knackered |
| 16:54.29 | case^ | :( |
| 16:54.36 | case^ | but now it all works |
| 16:54.38 | shingouz | !beer case^ |
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| 16:54.46 | case^ | :D |
| 16:54.49 | shingouz | congrats, man |
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| 16:55.09 | case^ | cheers mate |
| 16:55.10 | shingouz | terrencevak: i have to confess that i am a bit out of my depth at the moment |
| 16:55.11 | abrotman | case^: and you got all pissed at us :) |
| 16:55.22 | yacyac | dont we have openoffice.org in debian available |
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| 16:55.26 | case^ | not at you |
| 16:55.28 | case^ | at myself |
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| 16:56.08 | abrotman | yacyac: yes |
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| 16:56.31 | terrencevak | shingouz Hmm... thanks though... I guess I may be forced to wait 2 weeks and spend $90 to have someone do this stuff. |
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| 16:57.13 | yacyac | abrotman, when i do apt-get install openoffice.org .. it dosnt work. |
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| 16:57.24 | abrotman | yacyac: amd64 ? |
| 16:57.26 | shingouz | terrencevak: or sleep on the problem and rethink it tomorrow? hit google too, maybe google can find something appropriate |
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| 16:57.35 | yacyac | yes |
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| 16:57.58 | abrotman | yacyac: and you're running pure64 ? |
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| 16:58.06 | terrencevak | shingouz: I'm not even sure what I'd google... |
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| 16:58.09 | xcrash | how do i stop ssh from starting on startup |
| 16:58.14 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
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| 16:58.20 | x64 | what is the latest version of debian? |
| 16:58.26 | abrotman | sarge was released in june |
| 16:58.30 | terrencevak | shingouz: I'm thinking of getting the source for the kernel instead of the image......... |
| 16:58.32 | shingouz | terrencevak: try with the error first, maybe something comes up |
| 16:58.39 | streuner | !d-i x64 |
| 16:58.40 | dpkg | x64, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:59.02 | yacyac | abrotman, i am using amd64 |
| 16:59.05 | bizkit | hello, i've just installed the two statistic frontends 'couriergraph' and 'mailgraph'.. they are using rdd files to generate the frontend, however they started to stat at install time, or at least the last entry in current mail.log. is there a way to get the old stuff read into the rdd dbs? (mail.log.N.gz) |
| 16:59.12 | yacyac | abrotman, amd turion 64 processor |
| 16:59.17 | abrotman | yacyac: but are you using pure64 on amd64 .. or just regular 32bit debian ? |
| 16:59.30 | shingouz | terrencevak: don't. get the box to boot with the debian kernel first. unless you have some real exotic hardware on the box that is not supported by the debian kernel that is |
| 16:59.41 | xcrash | abrotman, i type dpkg-reconfigure ssh and nothing happens |
| 16:59.48 | xcrash | im root |
| 16:59.52 | yacyac | abrotman, useing 64bit version |
| 16:59.52 | abrotman | xcrash: add a -plow |
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| 16:59.56 | doleyb | in xterm, how to toggle between overwrite/insert mode? |
| 17:00.10 | hardmaster | hi all |
| 17:00.38 | abrotman | yacyac: ask #debian-amd64 .. but i'm pretty sure it's not there |
| 17:00.44 | thingfish | I have thought about going all etch, but instead I've just borrowed a few packages from it. |
| 17:01.07 | thingfish | I get itchy. |
| 17:01.08 | yacyac | aaaha |
| 17:01.08 | yacyac | ok |
| 17:01.09 | yacyac | thanx |
| 17:01.23 | yacyac | abrotman, do you know how to detect cellphone in debian |
| 17:01.31 | abrotman | nope |
| 17:01.31 | xcrash | abrotman, what do you mean dpkg-reconfigure -plow ssh? |
| 17:01.34 | abrotman | yes |
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| 17:02.05 | xcrash | abrotman, still don't work |
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| 17:02.13 | abrotman | xcrash: why not ? |
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| 17:02.47 | sylvisj | I've gotten my router to work!! |
| 17:03.07 | sylvisj | I just finished installing KDE... how do I run it?> |
| 17:03.16 | xcrash | abrotman, dpkg-reconfigure -plow ssh returns nothing --no error |
| 17:03.41 | streuner | sylvisj: apt-get install kdm |
| 17:03.50 | sylvisj | streuner, already did so. |
| 17:03.54 | sylvisj | Does it load on boot? |
| 17:04.07 | azeem | xcrash: are you running etch or sid? |
| 17:04.07 | streuner | sylvisj: /msg dpkg xsession and put 'exec startkde' into ~/.xsession |
| 17:04.17 | sylvisj | ... huh? |
| 17:04.27 | abrotman | xcrash: which version of debian ? |
| 17:04.30 | xcrash | azeem, etch |
| 17:04.40 | goccia | ~/.xsession ? no such file :) |
| 17:04.44 | abrotman | ssh-server |
| 17:04.59 | sylvisj | Thx streuner. |
| 17:05.07 | xcrash | abrotman, etch |
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| 17:05.23 | sylvisj | Here goes.. |
| 17:05.28 | abrotman | xcrash: ssh-server i think |
| 17:05.34 | norus | Everytime I issue "find", I get: |
| 17:05.35 | norus | find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc/1/task: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver. Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option. Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have been searched. |
| 17:05.40 | norus | What does that mean? |
| 17:05.43 | azeem | openssh-server is the package name I think |
| 17:05.55 | abrotman | !find openssh-server etch |
| 17:06.16 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'openssh-server' returned no results. |
| 17:06.28 | abrotman | !find ssh-server etch |
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| 17:06.37 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ssh-server' returned no results. |
| 17:06.49 | azeem | only in sid, hrm |
| 17:06.53 | cheal | it didn't transition yet |
| 17:07.15 | streuner | !info openssh-server etch |
| 17:07.26 | streuner | dpkg> Package 'openssh-server' does not exist. |
| 17:08.08 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 17:08.13 | abrotman | !find sshd_config etch |
| 17:08.18 | azeem | xcrash: do you have your debconf frontend set to noninteractive or something? |
| 17:08.22 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sshd_config' returned no results. |
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| 17:08.31 | abrotman | ok .. ssh isn't in etch apparently |
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| 17:08.44 | streuner | seems so |
| 17:08.45 | caphuso | !info ssh etch |
| 17:08.47 | azeem | it is, but sshd_config is generated by postinst, I guess |
| 17:08.52 | abrotman | i thought they split them |
| 17:08.53 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:3.8.1p1-8.sarge.4 (etch), Packaged size: 671 kB, Installed size: 1644 kB |
| 17:08.55 | eXistenZ | streuner, do you use an antivirus program? |
| 17:08.55 | ebw | in xkeycaps i can only scroll down, how to scroll up? |
| 17:08.59 | caphuso | abrotman: only in unstable |
| 17:09.02 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:09.03 | abrotman | damn me |
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| 17:09.19 | streuner | eXistenZ: clamav |
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| 17:10.05 | eXistenZ | streuner, and what antispam system do you prefer? spamassassin? |
| 17:10.22 | streuner | eXistenZ: i never need one actually |
| 17:10.25 | hans0lo | I am trying to get DHCP3 to auto update DNS. getting error on namedrndc about invalid key |
| 17:10.38 | eXistenZ | streuner, which one do you recommend me to use then? |
| 17:10.49 | streuner | eXistenZ: spamassain |
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| 17:11.28 | terrencevak | Anyone have an idea why, on doing lilo, I get "Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not exist, disk scan bypassed"? |
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| 17:11.37 | streuner | eXistenZ: well, iam using rbl over my MTA.... |
| 17:11.57 | xcrash | azeem, how do i check the debconf for that |
| 17:12.01 | streuner | eXistenZ: i guess that 'fix' my issues about spam mostly ;-) |
| 17:12.07 | terrencevak | Do I need to create /proc/partitions or something? |
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| 17:12.25 | valdyn | terrencevak: you need to have /proc mounted |
| 17:12.36 | azeem | xcrash: well, does dpkg-reconfigure work for other packages? |
| 17:12.40 | Caelum | is it better to not have anything in /etc/modules and load everything through aliases? |
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| 17:12.47 | eXistenZ | streuner, what is the rbl |
| 17:12.52 | valdyn | Caelum: nope |
| 17:13.17 | Caelum | valdyn: thought so, some stuff doesn't get auto picked up by discover and such |
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| 17:13.39 | terrencevak | valdyn: OK, that fixed that. Now I have to figure out "Warning: Partition 1 on /dev/hda is not marked Active.". |
| 17:13.47 | streuner | eXistenZ: ordb.org |
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| 17:13.56 | xcrash | azeem, dpkg-reconfigure kdm works |
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| 17:14.22 | xcrash | azeem, just will not do ssh ; |
| 17:14.23 | darkness | When i want to play a dvd using sarge do i just mount the drive i've put the dvd in? Plus what software is around to play dvd's on sarge plz? |
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| 17:14.33 | syntaxx | darkness, totem |
| 17:14.36 | azeem | xcrash: so no idea. You could manage whether sshd starts on bootup with update-rc.d as well |
| 17:14.36 | valdyn | darkness: no you dont mount video dvds |
| 17:14.49 | streuner | eXistenZ: /msg dpkg rbl |
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| 17:18.22 | Seb | SimonRaven: heya |
| 17:18.45 | streuner | eXistenZ: well, that won't fix your issues if you subsribe to a ML ... ;-) |
| 17:19.22 | Seb | darkness: you simply run "xine dvd://", no mounting required. That can be tricky, since video DVD *can* be mounted, as opposed to audio ones which cannot. |
| 17:19.29 | case^ | ok it's all installed how do I load KDE? |
| 17:19.49 | Seb | case^: /etc/init.d/kdm start if you've already configured X |
| 17:19.49 | case^ | or install |
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| 17:20.08 | Seb | case^: apt-get install kde kdm ; /etc/init.d/kdm start |
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| 17:22.38 | Caelum | what's a font that has a very good contrast between bold and normal? |
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| 17:24.16 | diego_ | #debian-co /join |
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| 17:24.37 | terrencevak | Why is it that when I try to run lilo, I'm now getting "Fatal: open /dev/hda1: Permission denied"? |
| 17:24.47 | Greek-Boy | Is there something similiar like linuxconf in Debian? |
| 17:24.51 | pusling | any one knows if the beerware license is dfsg-free ? |
| 17:24.52 | Greek-Boy | i've just installed it and it used DHCP |
| 17:24.59 | Greek-Boy | i need to input manual network paramaters |
| 17:25.03 | abrotman | pusling: email debian-legal@lists.debian.org |
| 17:25.03 | jimmyxx | hi - whats the apt-get package which allows me to use tab to see which packages are avaialble? |
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| 17:25.15 | abrotman | bash-completion ? |
| 17:25.27 | jimmyxx | ah right cool ill give that a try cheers |
| 17:25.50 | jimmyxx | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 17:25.50 | jimmyxx | is only available from another source |
| 17:25.50 | jimmyxx | However the following packages replace it: |
| 17:25.50 | jimmyxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.50 | jimmyxx | E: Package bash-completion has no installation candidate |
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| 17:25.51 | Caelum | terrencevak: run lilo as root |
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| 17:26.06 | darkness | Cheers guys totem works a treat :-) |
| 17:26.20 | jimmyxx | ooops - sorry thought that would all be on one line |
| 17:26.24 | Caelum | Greek-Boy: man interfaces |
| 17:26.32 | jimmyxx | it doesn't have that package bash-completion |
| 17:26.41 | Greek-Boy | ok |
| 17:26.41 | Greek-Boy | thanks |
| 17:26.51 | terrencevak | Caelum: That's what I'm doing. |
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| 17:27.08 | Caelum | Greek-Boy: if you want an interface type thing, webmin seems to be the most popular right now |
| 17:27.16 | jimmyxx | any idea what i need to install to see what packages are avilable on apt-get using the tab? |
| 17:27.27 | Greek-Boy | thanks Caelum |
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| 17:28.07 | Caelum | jimmyxx: there are some bash and zsh functions floating around the web |
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| 17:28.32 | jimmyxx | someone at work set it up on my box - but i'm at home now and don't know what he installed :( |
| 17:28.49 | jimmyxx | was so i could type "apt-get install mysql[TAB]" and it showed me all the packages |
| 17:28.53 | caphuso | jimmyxx: editor ~/.bashrc && . ~/.bashrc |
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| 17:29.17 | jimmyxx | caphuso: what does that do? |
| 17:29.26 | caphuso | jimmyxx: answer your question |
| 17:29.32 | paulswm | see y'all |
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| 17:30.11 | phogg | jimmyxx: look at /etc/bash_completion |
| 17:30.36 | Skrotto | Does anyone know if I can record from my music keyboard using aux out to my mic in on my laptop? I've got sound directed from the keyboard to my computer :> |
| 17:30.37 | jimmyxx | how do I save and exist vim? *blush* |
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| 17:30.41 | Skrotto | I've got no MIDI-in on på laptop |
| 17:30.57 | Swaye | hi. |
| 17:30.57 | terrencevak | Caelum: I'm running the command as root, but I still get that error. |
| 17:30.59 | caphuso | jimmyxx: ESC ZZ |
| 17:31.07 | Caelum | phogg: I don't suppose there's stuff like that for zsh? :) |
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| 17:31.24 | phogg | Caelum: I hear that zash does it better but I have never looked |
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| 17:31.28 | caphuso | Caelum: autoload bashcompinit && bashcompinit :) |
| 17:31.30 | jimmyxx | esc doesnt work |
| 17:31.45 | phogg | Yeah, better |
| 17:31.46 | Caelum | caphuso: ahh nice :) |
| 17:31.55 | Swaye | anyone can help me? how do i copy paste text with no gui nor mouse ? :) |
| 17:32.06 | Caelum | Swaye: use screen |
| 17:32.25 | hardmaster | bye bye... |
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| 17:32.56 | jimmyxx | how do I enable /etc/bash_completion? |
| 17:32.59 | Caelum | terrencevak: if you run lilo as root you shouldn't be getting a permission denied... |
| 17:33.12 | Caelum | terrencevak: does fdisk -l /dev/hda work? |
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| 17:33.41 | Swaye | Caelum what do you mean screen? im new to linux |
| 17:33.52 | terrencevak | caelum No, it doesn't. |
| 17:33.54 | jimmyxx | anyone know how to enable the script: /etc/bash_completion ? |
| 17:33.58 | streuner | !info screen |
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| 17:34.04 | dpkg | screen: (a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.2-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 568 kB, Installed size: 980 kB |
| 17:34.12 | caphuso | jimmyxx: /usr/share/doc/bash/README.bash_completion.gz |
| 17:34.25 | Swaye | oh, probably not installed yet for me thy |
| 17:34.43 | Caelum | Swaye: apt-get install screen and read http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 |
| 17:34.45 | jimmyxx | caphuso: can't you just tell me? =( |
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| 17:34.48 | jimmyxx | im such a noob |
| 17:35.20 | streuner | !n00b |
| 17:35.20 | dpkg | somebody said n00b was l33t jargon for newbie. |
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| 17:35.23 | Swaye | Caelum thx |
| 17:35.23 | Caelum | Swaye: there's a bit of a learning curve, but once you get the hang of it you'll never go anywhere without it :) |
| 17:35.26 | caphuso | jimmyxx: that's no excuse for being a lazy idiot |
| 17:35.34 | streuner | haha |
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| 17:35.45 | jimmyxx | i have no desire to learn debian - and im not an idiot =) |
| 17:36.34 | streuner | jimmyxx: if you are unwilling to read docs you are not read for debian... |
| 17:36.44 | streuner | s/read/ready/ |
| 17:36.47 | phogg | jimmyxx: but clearly a fool. Only a fool would not want to learn debian |
| 17:36.50 | caphuso | saying stuff like that is a pretty good way of making everyone refuse to help you. good job |
| 17:36.52 | jimmyxx | i know - saving up for a imac |
| 17:37.27 | jimmyxx | i have work to do before monday - i need some packages - i dont want to spend my sunday figuring out how to use debian before I can even start my 3-4 hours of work |
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| 17:37.58 | tvn | good idea .... use whatever os / tools you need to get the job done |
| 17:37.59 | phogg | jimmyxx: figuring out bash completion doesn't take hours, it takes seconds (or maybe minutes) |
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| 17:38.13 | jimmyxx | if you know linux - where as I don't |
| 17:38.15 | cahoot | jimmyxx: accept the fact you've shot yourself in the foot |
| 17:38.17 | ghost_adsf | Hey all, when I apt-get install something where is it downloaded to? I tried to apt-get install setiathome but it failed.. tried the location it was downloading from and doesn't seem to even exist. I was thinking I can download it by hand and still apt-get install it? Possible? |
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| 17:38.29 | jimmyxx | i seriously know very little - anyway found my package using apt-cache search |
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| 17:38.31 | jimmyxx | thanks for nothing |
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| 17:38.45 | streuner | thanks caphuso |
| 17:38.50 | phogg | jimmyxx: you're welcome |
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| 17:39.29 | Norbert | hi all, I'm trying to boost the volume beyond the max of the alsamixer or gmix or whatever - I've tried this with both OSS and ALSA, and still - the music won't go any louder; xmms has some plug-ins, but those only increase the volume with a fraction - any idea where I can find the "volume x 10" button? ;-) |
| 17:40.00 | Norbert | the point is, I'm listening with a headphone, and there's no volume thing on that |
| 17:40.15 | Norbert | so I can only use software-tweaking to increase the max volume... |
| 17:41.00 | Seb | Norbert: maxin alsamixer should already be plenty of volume, unless 1) your headphones are $2 pieces of shit 2) you're ok to lose your ears |
| 17:41.19 | terrencevak | Caelum: Seems I've unmounted /dev/hda1 somehow, and now it jon't remount properly. If I do mount /dev/hda1 /, I get "mount: cannot mount block device /dev/hda1 read-only" |
| 17:41.20 | Rockett18 | I was just thinking the same Seb |
| 17:41.27 | Seb | Rockett18: :) |
| 17:41.46 | Norbert | well, it's a good headphone and I'm not okay with losing my ears |
| 17:41.49 | Seb | terrencevak: mount | grep hda1 -> tells ya if it's mounted or not to start with |
| 17:41.59 | Seb | Norbert: then you're all set. |
| 17:42.00 | Norbert | it's simply not loud enough |
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| 17:42.24 | Seb | Norbert: maybe you plugged them in the aux port, or something, and you're not adjusting the corresponding value i nalsamixer |
| 17:42.34 | Seb | Norbert: try all jack ports successively |
| 17:42.36 | terrencevak | seb: OK, it didn't come up when I did that. |
| 17:42.45 | Norbert | Seb: that could be possible, but I already checked that |
| 17:43.01 | Seb | terrencevak: ok, so "mount /dev/hda1" as root, and give me the *exact* error message |
| 17:43.09 | brullo | Norbert, I have tons of volume in my sennheiser headphones using alsa |
| 17:43.26 | Norbert | lucky you... |
| 17:43.40 | terrencevak | seb: Here's the exact text: mount: cannot mount block device /dev/hda1 read-only |
| 17:43.50 | Seb | terrencevak: why does it want to mount it read-only ? |
| 17:43.55 | Seb | terrencevak: what FS is on it ? |
| 17:44.07 | brullo | Norbert, my point is maybe your headphones have the wrong impedance? |
| 17:44.09 | terrencevak | seb: It's an ext2 |
| 17:44.12 | Seb | terrencevak: then run "fsck.ext2 /dev/hda1" |
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| 17:44.16 | Norbert | brullo: maybe |
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| 17:45.11 | Caelum | brullo: closed or open ear? |
| 17:45.15 | Seb | terrencevak: hrm, before you do that, paste me the line corresponding to hda1 from your 'etc'fstab |
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| 17:45.26 | Seb | terrencevak: if you already started fsck, let it finish, it's ok |
| 17:45.27 | Rockett18 | either way something is wrong somewhere as even going past half way on my apps gets too loud for me |
| 17:45.37 | case^ | sweet I can share my Internet connection using ICS from my XP system to my debian system :D |
| 17:45.45 | case^ | no switch |
| 17:45.51 | brullo | Caelus, my sennheisers = closed |
| 17:46.08 | Norbert | my headphone is closed as well |
| 17:46.10 | terrencevak | seb: /dev/hda1 / ext2 rw,nosuid,nodev,auto 0 2 |
| 17:46.16 | Norbert | sony mdr-p20 |
| 17:46.17 | Caelum | brullo: which model? I need to get a pair, I loved my sony mdr-v700s but they broke |
| 17:46.28 | terrencevak | seb: That's the fstab info. |
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| 17:46.56 | brullo | Caelum, I do not remember |
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| 17:47.11 | Seb | terrencevak: go for fsck |
| 17:47.14 | case^ | seb can you repost the apt-get switch for KDE please |
| 17:47.17 | AzMoo | Is there a package for the latest firefox version? |
| 17:47.24 | Norbert | brullo: the ID-info is printed on it |
| 17:47.31 | Caelum | decent headphones are like the difference between a tin can and a concert |
| 17:47.39 | Seb | terrencevak: wait, if / is not mounted, how is your system running at all ? |
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| 17:47.46 | Caelum | AzMoo: apt-cache search firefox |
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| 17:47.52 | Norbert | espectially if you like Drum & Bass, hehe |
| 17:47.56 | Seb | case^: apt-get install kde kdm |
| 17:47.58 | Caelum | heh |
| 17:48.01 | kuhwallskee | with debian can you set up lvm during install |
| 17:48.10 | brullo | Caelum, Norbert Its just normal headphones, nothing special. |
| 17:48.10 | case^ | thank you |
| 17:48.10 | cheal | AzMoo: in which release? |
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| 17:48.12 | nabz | hey. how can i set mozilal as my default browser in KDE? i did it in the control center under components but it just downloaded the page then went to the downloaded page on the hdd |
| 17:48.13 | terrencevak | seb: And I get the following when I do fsck, I get: "fsck.ext2: Permission denied while trying to open /dev/hda1" "You must have r/w access to the filesystem or be root" ... And I have no idea how it's still running. |
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| 17:48.26 | Seb | terrencevak: it's gotta be mounted |
| 17:48.28 | brullo | Caelum, Norbert My other pair (which also is excellent) = AKG K-70 |
| 17:48.39 | cheal | nabz: ask #debian-kde |
| 17:48.42 | AzMoo | cheal, sarge |
| 17:48.46 | cheal | AzMoo: no |
| 17:48.51 | AzMoo | dang |
| 17:48.57 | Seb | terrencevak: it's prolly mounted ro. try "mount -o remount,rw /" |
| 17:49.00 | nabz | k thanx |
| 17:49.02 | csv | i've updated today my unstable laptop and after restarting it xorg stoped working, I guess that's a udev related problem, any thought???? |
| 17:49.08 | terrencevak | seb: Apparently the thing doesn't think it is... |
| 17:49.14 | Seb | csv: have you checked the BTS ? |
| 17:49.31 | cheal | csv: check the BTS? |
| 17:49.39 | Seb | csv: oh, and check the BTS too |
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| 17:50.16 | nabz | debian-kde is dead :( |
| 17:50.38 | cheal | nabz: yeah, one minute of inactivity in big death |
| 17:50.43 | cheal | s/in/is |
| 17:51.06 | csv | Seb, BTS? what do you mean? |
| 17:51.07 | terrencevak | seb: Well, I did that and got no output. |
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| 17:51.23 | Seb | dpkg, tell csv about BTS |
| 17:51.25 | Seb | terrencevak: so it worked |
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| 17:51.45 | NabZ | how can i get flash on konquor browser? |
| 17:51.47 | Seb | terrencevak: no fsck it, although you might want to reboot and let if fsck automatically, I dislike fsck'ing while a partition is mounted |
| 17:51.47 | terrencevak | seb: But I'm still getting the same errors. |
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| 17:51.59 | brullo | csv, Bug Tracking System |
| 17:52.06 | Seb | terrencevak: lemme guess, you run 2.6.x, and your drive is SATA ? |
| 17:52.27 | Seb | csv: running sid without knowing the BTS is usually a cause for capital punishment |
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| 17:52.30 | case^ | I can't believe this works |
| 17:52.36 | case^ | I am happy |
| 17:52.37 | adii | hello |
| 17:52.47 | terrencevak | seb: SATA? |
| 17:52.48 | NabZ | how can i get flash on konquor browser? |
| 17:52.56 | phogg | NabZ: Yes. |
| 17:52.57 | Seb | terrencevak: is your drive Serial ATA or regular IDE ? |
| 17:52.58 | adii | how should i configure nvidia kernel sources so it fits to my actual config (i remember i have to move a file, but which one ?) |
| 17:53.00 | dvs | seb: I guess you're wrong. |
| 17:53.00 | NabZ | how. |
| 17:53.01 | Seb | NabZ: don't repeat |
| 17:53.03 | NabZ | soz |
| 17:53.06 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 17:53.08 | brullo | NabZ, apt-cache show swf-player |
| 17:53.13 | Seb | dvs: seems like it :D |
| 17:53.19 | terrencevak | seb: I'm pretty sure it's ide. |
| 17:53.28 | cheal | brullo: please...this is really broken stuff |
| 17:53.33 | phogg | NabZ: konqueror can use netscape plugins, just like anything else. Once flash player is installed just point to the appropriate plugin directory in konq's config. |
| 17:53.34 | Seb | terrencevak: hmm ok. grep -i hda /var/log/syslog |
| 17:53.39 | cheal | !tell NabZ about flash |
| 17:53.57 | rj_ | I'm having a problem, I used apt-get to install mysql-server and everytime i try to start it it says |
| 17:53.57 | rj_ | WARNING: /etc/mysql/my.cnf cannot be read. See README.Debian. |
| 17:54.01 | cheal | adii: uh? |
| 17:54.07 | cheal | !wayttd adii |
| 17:54.08 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, adii? |
| 17:54.10 | phogg | rj_: did you see README.Debian? |
| 17:54.37 | rj_ | I _dont_ know where its at :) |
| 17:54.37 | brullo | cheal, I have not read your problem... |
| 17:54.49 | phogg | rj_: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
| 17:54.53 | cheal | brullo: I was referring to swf-player |
| 17:54.54 | terrencevak | seb: Nothing. |
| 17:55.03 | brullo | cheal, ok |
| 17:55.13 | phogg | rj_: Documentation is *always* at /usr/share/doc/packagename/ |
| 17:55.15 | NabZ | well i got flash instaled the non-free one |
| 17:55.17 | csv | Seb, well I know the BTS, and have already searched for bugs there, just doesnt having the acronym right in my memory doesnt give enough reasons to blame me, right? ;-) |
| 17:55.25 | adii | cheal: i'm trying to run a graphic driver installer, which will use kernel-sources packages to build itself (as far as i have understood) |
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| 17:55.46 | rj_ | phogg: I was not provided with the defalt debian /etc/mysql/my.cnf that Readme.debian references. |
| 17:56.00 | cheal | adii: are you trying to use nvidia.com's proprietary video driver installer? |
| 17:56.05 | Seb | csv: that's right, you'll escape capital punishemnt then ;) |
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| 17:56.13 | adii | cheal: that's it |
| 17:56.15 | Seb | terrencevak: and you still can't fsck ? |
| 17:56.15 | cheal | !tell adii about nvidia-installer |
| 17:56.18 | Seb | terrencevak: what kernel ? |
| 17:56.30 | phogg | rj_: a pitty. You installed mysql-common? Are you running sid? |
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| 17:56.42 | NabZ | woot flash works |
| 17:56.44 | NabZ | lol |
| 17:56.46 | Seb | adii: don't use the nvidia installer, do as dpkg told you rather |
| 17:56.48 | rj_ | phogg: hang on, and no 3.1 :) |
| 17:56.54 | rj_ | so yes |
| 17:57.01 | syntaxx | adii, /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 17:57.13 | adii | ok |
| 17:57.14 | terrencevak | seb Hey! Why is it showing my old system's kernel when I do uname -a? |
| 17:57.15 | adii | i have read it |
| 17:57.23 | resiak | terrencevak: Because you haven't booted with the new kernel! |
| 17:57.24 | Seb | terrencevak: because you booted the old one |
| 17:57.35 | Seb | heh |
| 17:57.35 | phogg | rj_: What do you have in /etc/mysql/my.cnf? |
| 17:57.44 | Caelum | terrencevak: consider switching to grub, also |
| 17:57.45 | dvs | terrencevak: There's no difference in the kernels ;-) |
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| 17:58.21 | NabZ | arghh y does konquerror lag so much? |
| 17:58.29 | terrencevak | caelum Is grub better than lilo? And can I boot the new kernel without rebooting the box? |
| 17:58.44 | phogg | NabZ: That really depends on what you mean by "y" Spanish? |
| 17:58.51 | NabZ | why |
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| 17:59.16 | NabZ | konqueror is lagging aot |
| 17:59.18 | NabZ | alot* |
| 17:59.25 | phogg | NabZ: The actual answer is that there are many possible causes for something you would interpret as "lag" and your question cannot be answered. |
| 17:59.38 | m00trix | hi in what fule i can change keymaps and console translation ... |
| 17:59.41 | NabZ | lol its real slow |
| 17:59.41 | m00trix | ? |
| 17:59.50 | NabZ | like when i move the browser to the sied |
| 17:59.51 | NabZ | side* |
| 17:59.52 | m00trix | hi in what file i can change keymaps and console translation ...? |
| 18:00.07 | NabZ | nvm |
| 18:00.12 | NabZ | thanx guys for al ya help today |
| 18:00.14 | NabZ | :D bye |
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| 18:00.48 | Caelum | terrencevak: you can't switch kernels without rebooting :) |
| 18:00.52 | amphi | m00trix: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 18:00.58 | Seb | terrencevak: haha, no, you can't *boot* a new kernel without *rebooting* :D |
| 18:00.59 | Caelum | terrencevak: but grub is nicer in many ways |
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| 18:01.17 | Seb | terrencevak: for now i'd say stick to lilo so we can fix your dirve problem. Then we can assist you in switching to grub |
| 18:01.31 | Seb | terrencevak: always better to fix problems in he right order rather than adding new things to the mix :) |
| 18:01.53 | abrotman | Caelum: iric .. it's coming |
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| 18:02.02 | abrotman | iirc |
| 18:02.32 | phogg | abrotman: what's coming? Hot swapping kernels? |
| 18:02.34 | joco | I get the entry "Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 7 Seek_Error_Rate changed from 100 to 200" in my syslog quite a few times a day. Do I need to worry that my primary HDD is going to fail soon? |
| 18:02.41 | abrotman | phogg: yes |
| 18:02.48 | Caelum | abrotman: I heard of attempts before, but there were problems |
| 18:02.49 | phogg | abrotman: linkage? Search terms? |
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| 18:03.00 | abrotman | phogg: uhm ... |
| 18:03.12 | abrotman | phogg: probably kerneltrap or kerneltraffic |
| 18:03.22 | joco | I am using 2.6.13.2 |
| 18:03.24 | phogg | abrotman: I'll have a look |
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| 18:03.39 | terrencevak | seb: Well, then that circles back around to the whole reason I did the ill-fated lilo command in the first place. I'd changed my lilo.conf in an attempt to fix the reason the kernel wouldn't boot in the first place. |
| 18:03.51 | phogg | seems to me that it would be hard without any performance penalties. |
| 18:04.19 | Caelum | the kernel can already do software suspend and resume, so it could be an extension on that |
| 18:04.52 | HendriX | Hello,.... I am new in using debian so don't shoot me for asking "stupid" questions. |
| 18:05.07 | abrotman | !shoot HendriX |
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| 18:06.01 | quittt | do you know a good client for Wolfenstein 3D? |
| 18:06.10 | HendriX | I'm using an laptop with wireless connection,.... but every time I startup my system i have to re-configure the wlan connection |
| 18:06.27 | abrotman | quittt: is it in debian? |
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| 18:06.38 | HendriX | yes |
| 18:06.39 | amphi | HendriX: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:07.12 | brullo | HendriX, I dont know if etherconf supports 802.11 WLAN cards...just a thought |
| 18:07.38 | terrencevak | seb: Can I reboot without running lilo first? |
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| 18:08.18 | sylvisj | This is gonna sound really stupid, but how do I install my 6600GT in linux? |
| 18:08.32 | sylvisj | Seems that KDE doesn't want to work without my card being installed. |
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| 18:09.06 | sylvisj | Anyone? |
| 18:09.14 | HendriX | I think is does,..... it works fine after i configured the connection. but how do configure it so it will connect right away after startup? |
| 18:09.17 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:09.17 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 18:09.27 | case^ | another small problem I have |
| 18:09.29 | adii | here i'm having a prob , still installing nvidia drivers : m-a tells me that he /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27 seems to contain # |
| 18:09.29 | adii | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.30 | Seb | HendriX: man 5 interface |
| 18:09.32 | Seb | HendriX: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:09.33 | adii | ops |
| 18:09.38 | sylvisj | Ok WTF |
| 18:09.42 | thingfish | I wonder if he even has x installed. |
| 18:09.45 | sylvisj | Abrot, what part of that is the oneliner? |
| 18:09.50 | case^ | it's testing apt sources but is just stuck |
| 18:09.52 | sylvisj | Thing, I have all of KDE installed. |
| 18:09.59 | apfel | What packages do I need to install in order to view japanese texts (iso-2022-jp)? |
| 18:10.10 | sylvisj | abrotman, what part of that was the one liner? |
| 18:10.15 | case^ | how do i quit "testing apt sources"? |
| 18:10.23 | sylvisj | Besides, it's PCI express. |
| 18:10.25 | abrotman | sylvisj: it all fits on one line |
| 18:10.26 | syntaxx | adii, it works fine in me |
| 18:10.35 | abrotman | wtf does PCI express have ot do with it? |
| 18:10.42 | sylvisj | update-pciids |
| 18:10.43 | Seb | terrencevak: well, what do you wanna achieve by rebooting ? |
| 18:10.47 | sylvisj | Taht would be pci only wouldn't it? |
| 18:10.51 | thingfish | who knows |
| 18:10.52 | case^ | the IP is set to 1.0.0.0 |
| 18:10.58 | case^ | which is bollocks |
| 18:11.03 | case^ | arggh |
| 18:11.07 | sylvisj | Case... edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:11.07 | adii | syntaxx: i have a fresh install here. i think i must cp a file from somewhere to kernel-sources path, but which one ? |
| 18:11.15 | phogg | sylvisj: no |
| 18:11.23 | sylvisj | If his IP is set to one, he can change it |
| 18:11.23 | abrotman | !tell case^ about interfaces |
| 18:11.30 | syntaxx | adii, your on nvidia right? just read and follow carefully |
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| 18:11.58 | brullo | case^, etherconf |
| 18:12.04 | sylvisj | update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 <- That's the one-liner, right? |
| 18:12.04 | phogg | abrotman: what? And just put a bot in there to echo the same steps again and again? |
| 18:12.27 | phogg | sylvisj: you get a gold star |
| 18:12.36 | sylvisj | :( I wanted a cookie. |
| 18:12.46 | abrotman | phogg: it would reduce channel "noise" by 50% probably :) |
| 18:12.46 | adii | syntaxx: i have /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27 seems to contain # |
| 18:12.47 | adii | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.48 | adii | argh |
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| 18:12.58 | syntaxx | adii, i compiled my nvidia a lot of times and it works alright |
| 18:12.58 | sylvisj | Ok... to print that one-liner out.. |
| 18:13.03 | adii | syntaxx: i've followed carefully /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27 seems to contain # |
| 18:13.03 | adii | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.08 | adii | ffs i will copy someother thing |
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| 18:13.26 | phogg | abrotman: naw, it'd just turn all of this nvidia traffic into "Go to #debian-nvidia." A 20% reduction at most. |
| 18:13.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:13.34 | Caelum | according the fcc "consumers are entitled to run applications and use services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement" |
| 18:13.47 | redice | hi there all |
| 18:13.50 | adii | so i was saying : i wished it compiled easily. i just need to know one thing : i know there's a file to be copied to /usr/src/linux so it works |
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| 18:14.02 | adii | what file is that ? |
| 18:14.09 | syntaxx | adii, you install debian without choosing which kernel to install? i use 2.6 kernel by typing linux26 |
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| 18:14.16 | redice | tomcj |
| 18:14.18 | redice | u there |
| 18:14.19 | phogg | Caelum: I wonder if that means that I *am* allowed to run a web server after all, even if Comcast says no. |
| 18:14.28 | sylvisj | Think I'll just save that one-liner to a text on a floppy and nano it, then copy it into a console |
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| 18:14.33 | syntaxx | adii, you dont have to copy anythin at all =/ |
| 18:14.46 | phogg | sylvisj: why not just sh it? |
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| 18:14.53 | sylvisj | Sh? |
| 18:14.53 | resiak | adii: cp /boot/config-2.blah /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 18:14.56 | sylvisj | I'm dual booting. |
| 18:14.56 | case^ | ./etc/network/interface is denied |
| 18:14.57 | abrotman | god damn fucking udev |
| 18:15.03 | adii | thanks |
| 18:15.06 | case^ | as root it doesn't exist |
| 18:15.06 | sylvisj | Case, you need to be root to save those files. |
| 18:15.12 | phogg | sylvisj: sh. Shell. Pass the file to your shell |
| 18:15.12 | sylvisj | Apt-setup |
| 18:15.18 | sylvisj | Phogg, I know. Dual booting. |
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| 18:15.44 | phogg | sylvisj: you said nano and copy to the command line. I say that's harder than sh filename |
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| 18:16.02 | sylvisj | Lost me... |
| 18:16.02 | brullo | case^, can you ping external host? 127.0.0.1? |
| 18:16.05 | redice | hi guys |
| 18:16.17 | phogg | case^: it's interfaces, with an s |
| 18:16.17 | redice | thts not an external host |
| 18:16.26 | redice | its your loopback interface |
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| 18:17.33 | case^ | o lol - I was in the wrong panel |
| 18:17.42 | sylvisj | . . . |
| 18:17.56 | case^ | hadn't installed anything yet |
| 18:17.58 | sylvisj | Darn... floppy... drive... so... slow... |
| 18:17.59 | case^ | sorry |
| 18:18.03 | sylvisj | Ok, giving this a shot. |
| 18:18.04 | pipeline | Floppies are evil. |
| 18:18.11 | sylvisj | Yes they are. I wish I had a USB Flash drive. |
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| 18:18.19 | pipeline | sylvisj: Use the network, luke |
| 18:18.19 | sylvisj | If this goes well, I'll be back on IRC in my deb sys, |
| 18:18.28 | case^ | thank you all you good people |
| 18:18.28 | sylvisj | Pipeline.... dual booting. |
| 18:18.34 | pipeline | sylvisj: Dual-booting is for fools. |
| 18:18.41 | sylvisj | And those with only one hdd. |
| 18:18.57 | pipeline | sylvisj: What could you possibly need two operating systems on one machine for? |
| 18:18.57 | Caelum | phogg: reference, http://news.com.com/2061-10804_3-5884130.html?tag=nefd.aon |
| 18:19.00 | brullo | sylvisj, standalone or vmware :-) |
| 18:19.00 | pipeline | sylvisj: Just plow one of them. |
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| 18:19.04 | case^ | GAMES! |
| 18:19.09 | case^ | DIRECT3D |
| 18:19.17 | pipeline | case^: Wine handles direct3d just fine, if you're on x86. |
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| 18:19.21 | case^ | unless BF2 got ported |
| 18:19.22 | sylvisj | Pipeline - After debian is setup completely, and fully functional, I'ma plow most of windows. |
| 18:19.26 | pipeline | case^: And if that's not good enough for you, why bother with debian anyway? |
| 18:19.31 | pipeline | sylvisj: Well, the other alternative |
| 18:19.31 | Aim_Here | for suitably low values of 'just fine; |
| 18:19.32 | phogg | I dual booted for a while. When I realized I hadn't actually booted into windows for six months stopped calling it dual booting. |
| 18:19.32 | redice | hi guys |
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| 18:19.43 | redice | have a look at http://techieforums.net/smf/index.php |
| 18:19.48 | pipeline | sylvisj: If you're happy with windows, and you already have a copy, why bother with this debian thing in the first place? |
| 18:19.52 | sylvisj | I'm still mostly on windows. STill setting up deb. |
| 18:19.53 | redice | lookin for moderators to run |
| 18:20.01 | sylvisj | Because windows sucks my hair nuts. |
| 18:20.02 | sylvisj | hairy?* |
| 18:20.09 | sylvisj | hairy** |
| 18:20.21 | sylvisj | Wow... I need a new keyboard. |
| 18:20.30 | fbi | yo, how come i can see ALSA startup fine during the boot process, but after i start an X session i still have to run alsaconf && alsamixer ? |
| 18:20.30 | pipeline | I think the problem lies somewhere between the keyboard and chair. |
| 18:20.35 | sylvisj | Quite possibly. |
| 18:20.38 | redice | http://techieforums.net/smf/index.php |
| 18:20.41 | phogg | pipeline: Same reason people go to freak shows. The lure of the unusual. |
| 18:20.44 | fbi | 'alsactl store' doesn't seem to be saving my mixer settings either |
| 18:20.45 | pipeline | redice: Shut up. |
| 18:20.46 | redice | please have a look and join |
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| 18:20.48 | sylvisj | Alright... trying this... hoping it works... |
| 18:20.49 | Caelum | sylvisj: while you have to be on windows, you can continue setting up linux with colinux |
| 18:20.50 | redice | http://techieforums.net/smf/index.php |
| 18:20.52 | redice | y |
| 18:20.53 | redice | http://techieforums.net/smf/index.php |
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| 18:20.59 | sylvisj | Caelumm... that means nothing |
| 18:21.08 | sylvisj | Trying this. officially. |
| 18:21.45 | adii | m-a prepare returns /usr/src/kernel-headers... contains unconfigured kernel : so how can i "configure" kernel-headers ? |
| 18:22.08 | fbi | why is that dick spamming shit in here |
| 18:22.15 | fbi | oh they are gone |
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| 18:22.36 | fbi | is it normal to have to run alsaconf every time you boot? |
| 18:22.42 | Caelum | nope |
| 18:22.58 | adii | fbi: it is because you don't have put the ad hoc modules in /etc/modules |
| 18:23.00 | fbi | i can't go back to OSS because it wouldn't work with the soundcard i just stuck in here |
| 18:23.45 | Caelum | fbi: put the modules you want in /etc/modules or make a file with aliases in /etc/modprobe.d/sound with aliases like alias sound-card-0 snd-your-chip |
| 18:23.52 | Caelum | fbi: see alsa.opensrc.org |
| 18:24.01 | fbi | alright thanks |
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| 18:25.30 | cheal | adii: isn't there a module for your kernel already? |
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| 18:25.58 | AigleNoir | hi |
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| 18:26.15 | klemzi | how do i change language in debian.. now i have slovene and i want to change it to english.. (in shell) |
| 18:27.04 | pandrew | Hello. I have configured plip, just as it is described here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs05.html.en - the only problem is that it doesn't work. On both computers the plip0 interface exists, but i can't ping one from another. after a given time ping starts saying something abut a buffer overflow |
| 18:27.37 | fbi | klemzi: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 18:28.13 | klemzi | hm will it change when i save or ? |
| 18:28.28 | dah4m5ter | hiho |
| 18:28.34 | fbi | try it and see? |
| 18:28.39 | fbi | it takes about 15 seconds. |
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| 18:29.29 | pandrew | plip0: transmit timeout(1,ff) |
| 18:29.30 | klemzi | hm still slovene |
| 18:29.33 | klemzi | :o |
| 18:30.00 | adii | cheal: lemme check |
| 18:30.03 | pandrew | plip0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 18:30.15 | klemzi | Generating locales... |
| 18:30.15 | klemzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.16 | klemzi | Generation complete. |
| 18:30.18 | klemzi | and than i see slvoene |
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| 18:30.24 | adii | cheal: lsmod doesn't return "nvidia" |
| 18:30.24 | klemzi | ups sorry for flood |
| 18:30.43 | _karma_ | I have unpartitions freespace on my hdd and would like to parititon it and make another mount point, is there anyway of doing this without having to reboot? |
| 18:31.16 | pandrew | _karma_ : you have to umount all partitions from that harddisk |
| 18:31.19 | adii | cheal: actually to fix "m-a prepare" i'm trying to do "make menuconfig" in /usr/src/linux, which bugs cos of : Your main config.in file (arch/i386/config.in) does not exist |
| 18:31.55 | pandrew | _karma_ otherwise you need to reboot( for example if you have a root partition on that harddisk, than you must reboot) |
| 18:32.15 | AigleNoir | Since I installed X on my new Sarge I have some problems. Yesterday, with fluxbox, I've noted that X used 230 Mo ! Today I installed XFCE and X crashed several times when i changed the theme. I found nothing in the logs I use a kernel 2.6.8-smp-i686 and nvidia driver. I have no idea. thanks |
| 18:32.22 | adz | anyone got any ideas how to update-modules without using the update-modules command? |
| 18:32.34 | caphuso | adz: huh? |
| 18:32.52 | adz | i installed a wlan driver for debian and had to use update-modules |
| 18:32.55 | cheal | adii: oh, that's not what I was suggesting. I'm talking about packages containing the module for your specific kernel, so you don't have to build it |
| 18:33.04 | adz | i tried doing the same with the same card and it says command not found |
| 18:33.07 | cheal | adii: e.g. a nvidia-kernel-something package |
| 18:33.15 | _karma_ | pandrew: ahh ok, ty |
| 18:33.19 | adii | lemme look :) |
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| 18:33.49 | adii | cheal: welll .. hmm .. just don't call me an idiot :p |
| 18:33.54 | adii | there's one :p |
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| 18:34.35 | pandrew | _karma_ : after you have umounted all partitions from that drive , you should reopen fdisk, and save the partitoon table |
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| 18:34.48 | pandrew | it tells the kernel to reload the partition table |
| 18:34.49 | caphuso | adz: what kernel version are you using? |
| 18:35.03 | caphuso | sfdisk -R is faster |
| 18:35.06 | adz | 2.6.11-1 |
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| 18:35.16 | caphuso | adz: then you don't need update-modules anyway |
| 18:35.35 | adz | so i installed the driver with make then make install |
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| 18:35.56 | adz | added alias ra0 rt2500 to modprobe.conf |
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| 18:36.15 | caphuso | adz: uhm |
| 18:36.16 | adz | /sbin/modprobe rt2500 cant find it |
| 18:36.35 | caphuso | adz: you're using a 2.6 kernel. stop following documentation meant for 2.4 |
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| 18:36.47 | adz | hm |
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| 18:36.57 | usn_router | hi folx |
| 18:37.00 | adz | well thx for pointing that out |
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| 18:37.15 | obscuresoul | why is /usr/share intended to be shareable only among the same releases of the same OS? |
| 18:37.20 | adz | it worked on another 2.6 system though |
| 18:37.33 | adz | only difference one is debian one is fedora |
| 18:37.40 | caphuso | obscuresoul: because people do exactly that |
| 18:37.52 | caphuso | adz: then fucking ask in #fedora |
| 18:37.58 | case^ | which X server driver do I want if I'm using an Nvidia card? |
| 18:38.03 | adz | tried |
| 18:38.16 | case^ | It doesn't list nvidia in the list |
| 18:38.27 | adz | chill |
| 18:38.32 | priest | case^, "nv" |
| 18:38.41 | case^ | thank you |
| 18:38.45 | pipeline | case^: There aren't separate X servers any more. You just pick a driver. |
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| 18:38.58 | adz | thx |
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| 18:39.10 | adz | deppends case^ |
| 18:39.14 | pipeline | obscuresoul: "share" is where non-executable data files go for various installed applications. It shouldn't be a surprise that different versions of an application expect to find different data. |
| 18:39.22 | adz | do you want to use it for 3d games? |
| 18:39.39 | adii | rebooting |
| 18:39.43 | HYPOKRIT | hey hi... |
| 18:39.49 | HYPOKRIT | i need a little help |
| 18:39.55 | Shadowcat | don't we all |
| 18:40.00 | Shadowcat | ask |
| 18:40.01 | HYPOKRIT | hahahaha |
| 18:40.05 | adz | ./msg dpkg nvidia |
| 18:40.13 | HYPOKRIT | i try to run X |
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| 18:40.29 | Shadowcat | and? |
| 18:40.33 | Shadowcat | !vague |
| 18:40.33 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 18:40.42 | HYPOKRIT | but always told me.... no device detected... no screen found |
| 18:40.56 | Shadowcat | what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:40.58 | case^ | laffo |
| 18:41.04 | HYPOKRIT | ubuntu |
| 18:41.10 | adz | lol |
| 18:41.15 | Shadowcat | !ubuntu |
| 18:41.15 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 18:41.20 | case^ | lolol |
| 18:41.20 | Shadowcat | !based on debian |
| 18:41.20 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
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| 18:41.38 | Shadowcat | ubuntu is NOT a debian version |
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| 18:41.50 | cheal | Shadowcat: one factoid should be enough... |
| 18:42.03 | sylvisj | Whoever told me that one liner... here's a one liner for you. Error: nvidia-source-kernel install failed. |
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| 18:42.16 | cheal | sylvisj: nothing before that? |
| 18:42.16 | Shadowcat | sylvisj: are you running debian stable? |
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| 18:42.23 | sylvisj | Shadowcat: Debian AMD64 |
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| 18:42.26 | sylvisj | Stable, yes |
| 18:42.31 | sylvisj | Cheal, nothing before that. |
| 18:42.32 | Shadowcat | AMD64 != stable |
| 18:42.36 | sylvisj | Ahh. |
| 18:42.52 | Shadowcat | as a matter of fact |
| 18:42.56 | HYPOKRIT | hey dude... i'm fucking sorry about all that... but i try to install sarge last night... but he cant install my eternet controller... and my hardware seem not exist.... no one could help me... so i just try something else because i wanna learn linux .... THANX |
| 18:43.15 | Shadowcat | you don't want to be running the AMD64 arch of debian right now |
| 18:43.25 | sylvisj | Why not, on my Athlon64? |
| 18:43.25 | Shadowcat | unless you're more of a tinkerer |
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| 18:43.29 | sylvisj | Ahh. |
| 18:43.33 | sylvisj | Fck me sideways. |
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| 18:43.39 | Shadowcat | HYPOKRIT: so ask in #ubuntu about your X problem |
| 18:43.42 | dob1 | hi |
| 18:43.54 | Shadowcat | sylvisj: go download and try the installer from nvidia.com |
| 18:43.55 | sylvisj | Fuck it. I'm done with this computer + debian until next weekend. |
| 18:43.58 | Shadowcat | see what that gives you |
| 18:44.00 | sylvisj | Alright, thx shadowcat. |
| 18:44.00 | dob1 | vnc itself support encryption without using an ssh tunnel ? |
| 18:44.02 | madarikatua | hola |
| 18:44.10 | Shadowcat | dob1: no |
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| 18:44.57 | Thorrn4 | hello!! Im considering to install Debian (again....because it didnt install the 1st time) what would be the easiest way to install it? Im new to Linux (I really dont know much) and I use SimplyMepis now, but its giving me problems and I want to switcj |
| 18:45.11 | Shadowcat | how new? |
| 18:45.11 | dob1 | Shadowcat, the only way to do this is the ssh tunnel? |
| 18:45.23 | xoz | Thorrn4: netinstall |
| 18:45.33 | Shadowcat | dob1: that's what I'm doing right now |
| 18:45.39 | dob1 | ok |
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| 18:46.00 | m3g4crux | hi to all |
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| 18:46.43 | Agent007-DL | Hello to all! |
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| 18:47.07 | Thorrn4 | xoz, I tried that before....it didnt work |
| 18:47.21 | Shadowcat | !tell Thorrn4 about !d-i |
| 18:47.24 | Shadowcat | err |
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| 18:47.37 | Shadowcat | !tell Thorrn4 about d-i |
| 18:47.37 | obscuresoul | pipeline ty :) |
| 18:47.42 | obscuresoul | brb |
| 18:47.43 | obscuresoul | reboot |
| 18:47.51 | xoz | Thorrn4: what didn't work? the installer or you? |
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| 18:48.01 | Shadowcat | probably him |
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| 18:48.56 | Thorrn4 | xoz, it installed everything it needed from the CD, but when it booted into the hard drive, to connect to the internet, that when it got bad.....it didnt connect |
| 18:49.42 | Shadowcat | so you entered the WRONG network settings? |
| 18:49.58 | xoz | Thorrn4: then, it should work with a little configuration. you should have asked here after you installed. |
| 18:50.49 | case^ | how do I edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:51.00 | brullo | case^, nano |
| 18:51.00 | caphuso | with a text editor |
| 18:51.02 | case^ | I get to /etc/network/ |
| 18:51.09 | case^ | apt-get nano? |
| 18:51.20 | Shadowcat | nano is part of debian base |
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| 18:51.40 | xoz | Thorrn4: after you installed, boot... then lspci to know what hardware/card you have... then configure /etc/network/interfaces... etc. |
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| 18:51.53 | adi_ | hello , nvidia works, thanks :) |
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| 18:51.55 | brullo | case^, or use the etherconf package |
| 18:51.55 | case^ | how do I open nano? |
| 18:52.05 | masoft | bebinam how can I make a DEB package from source code ? I must use Debhelper or something like that ? |
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| 18:52.13 | m3g4crux | I am trying to make a small script for mounting a digital camera when its plugged in, the problem is that it does not work. Its a bash script only content is mount /mnt/Camara and logger 3 Mounting Digital Camera. In syslog I can see the message but it does not mount. |
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| 18:52.48 | case^ | <brullo> case^, or use the etherconf package |
| 18:52.58 | case^ | I have a command line and thats it |
| 18:53.06 | Seb | is dsbl.org down or is it just for me ? |
| 18:53.12 | brullo | case^, nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:53.12 | case^ | how to I open it? |
| 18:53.15 | Shadowcat | case^: man nano |
| 18:53.27 | case^ | cheers |
| 18:53.43 | brullo | case^, do you have a dhcp server? |
| 18:54.08 | cheal | Thorrn4: you'd have to give some details about your network. |
| 18:54.10 | case^ | who knows? |
| 18:54.27 | case^ | It leased an adress so I guess yes |
| 18:54.28 | Thorrn4 | cheal, how can I do that? get the information |
| 18:54.46 | case^ | It's running off ICS from my XP box |
| 18:54.49 | Shadowcat | Thorrn4: you think with your head or ask your local administrator |
| 18:55.02 | xoz | Thorrn4: man interfaces. it gives you some examples |
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| 18:55.30 | Shadowcat | hah ICD |
| 18:55.34 | Shadowcat | ICS* |
| 18:55.39 | Shadowcat | ICS is a pos |
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| 18:56.05 | amphi | Seb: down for me |
| 18:56.09 | brullo | case^, what is in your interfaces file? |
| 18:56.13 | Seb | amphi: ok, thanks for checking |
| 18:56.14 | case^ | great |
| 18:56.28 | case^ | I know ICS is rubbish but it's all I have |
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| 18:56.34 | case^ | empty |
| 18:56.37 | Mithsir | Hi! Doesn ne1 know when OOo will be ready/available for amd64? |
| 18:56.39 | Seb | amphi: i'd imagine their listing of gmx.net since Friday got them a few pissed people :> |
| 18:56.45 | Shadowcat | !ne1 |
| 18:56.46 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 18:56.48 | amphi | Seb: ? |
| 18:57.04 | Seb | amphi: they blacklisted all of gmx.net (biggest german free email provider) on Friday |
| 18:57.10 | case^ | brullo: it's empty |
| 18:57.16 | Seb | amphi: i'd think some pissed gmx customers DDoSed them good |
| 18:57.25 | brullo | case^, I can send you a working conf file....dhcp? |
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| 18:58.04 | Thorrn4 | cheal, what exactly do u need to know? the PPP, Primary DNS, Secondary DNS |
| 18:58.04 | amphi | Seb: what is dsbl.org? |
| 18:58.12 | case^ | brullo can you dcc the file? |
| 18:58.29 | case^ | god |
| 18:58.30 | brullo | ok..il try |
| 18:58.34 | case^ | I just want a GUI |
| 18:58.43 | Shadowcat | nothing wrong with the debian command line |
| 18:58.44 | case^ | Command line makes my head hurt |
| 18:58.54 | case^ | after 3 hours :( |
| 18:58.54 | enyc | amph: DNSBL you mean? |
| 18:59.01 | Shadowcat | oh quit whining |
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| 18:59.22 | case^ | <small>ok</small> |
| 18:59.25 | Seb | amphi: an open-relay listing |
| 18:59.30 | amphi | Seb: ah |
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| 18:59.52 | tvn | cmd line is scary |
| 18:59.53 | Seb | amphi: lists servers known to generate spams. You as a mail admin tell your MTA to for instance not accept mail from any server listed on their site |
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| 19:00.14 | Seb | enyc: nah dsbl is the name of this one |
| 19:00.19 | cheal | Thorrn4: if it'a PPP connection or what...DSL? dial-up? |
| 19:00.24 | Seb | tvn: kde is scary to me |
| 19:00.26 | brullo | case^, replace 'static' with 'dhcp' and uncomment the rest under it |
| 19:00.29 | enyc | seb: hrrm in what context are you sing 'dsbl' ?? |
| 19:00.41 | amphi | Seb: yes, yes, I understand the principle ;) |
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| 19:00.45 | Seb | enyc: as in dsbl.org ? |
| 19:00.46 | Seb | amphi: k :) |
| 19:00.58 | case^ | ok |
| 19:01.00 | beardy | !cli |
| 19:01.00 | dpkg | i guess cli is a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 |
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| 19:01.38 | brullo | case^, I cancel now |
| 19:01.41 | Thorrn4 | cheal, I use DSL, through an ethernet |
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| 19:02.27 | enyc | seb: well where are you seeing this mentioned on your computer ? |
| 19:02.28 | case^ | I have no firewalls up atm |
| 19:02.33 | adi_ | i know there's a package to install so as to change the (bugging) default font in programs such as xmms ... , but i can't remember the name |
| 19:02.35 | case^ | o well |
| 19:02.41 | adi_ | could anyone tell em? |
| 19:02.43 | Caelum | cli == clear interrupt flag |
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| 19:02.48 | cheal | Thorrn4: DSL (PPPoE) support in debian-installer is bad. it's possible to install, but it's normal that it...doesn't seem to go well |
| 19:03.02 | Shadowcat | case^: ICS is a firewall |
| 19:03.06 | Shadowcat | a very crappy one at that |
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| 19:03.12 | JayLv99 | hello |
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| 19:03.21 | Caelum | case^: go buy a wrt54g :) |
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| 19:03.28 | Caelum | case^: and put sveasoft on it |
| 19:03.30 | JayLv99 | this isn't really a Linux question, but I figure perhaps one of you guys could help me |
| 19:03.34 | Shadowcat | go buy any sort of decent router |
| 19:03.35 | mwilson | adi_: There isn't. |
| 19:03.39 | JayLv99 | does anyone have a copy of "The Illustrated Man" by Ray Bradbury on hand? |
| 19:03.40 | JayLv99 | or nearby |
| 19:03.41 | case^ | I'll stick with my 8 port cisco router |
| 19:03.43 | brullo | case^, awake? |
| 19:03.52 | Shadowcat | a 233 with 64mb of ram could route traffic better than ICS |
| 19:03.55 | case^ | No spare ports :( |
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| 19:04.08 | wereHamster | I have a friend and he's just installed debian.. |
| 19:04.09 | mwilson | adi_: Unless you're referring to changing your GTK fonts (which affects far more than xmms, in which case you could use gtk-theme-switch). |
| 19:04.09 | CR33Q | i use iptables MARK, ip route and i rule, but the system does not seem to mark the packets... any common reasons why this happens? |
| 19:04.12 | Shadowcat | case^: you see this why I have a debian box acting as my router |
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| 19:04.14 | Caelum | case^: you have 8 networks in your house? |
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| 19:04.21 | Shadowcat | well more of a gateway machine |
| 19:04.29 | Shadowcat | then I just buy boatloads of switches |
| 19:04.35 | case^ | we use it as a switch |
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| 19:04.42 | wereHamster | and he has text login.. How can I find out whether there is xorg or how can I put it into the default runlevel ? |
| 19:04.45 | Caelum | you use a cisco router as a switch? haha |
| 19:04.46 | brullo | case^, you want the file? |
| 19:04.46 | lancelot | good evening everybody! |
| 19:04.51 | cheal | Thorrn4: see install guide 7.2.3.1 |
| 19:04.56 | case^ | Free hardware :? |
| 19:05.00 | Caelum | ahh |
| 19:05.00 | case^ | yes |
| 19:05.03 | case^ | please |
| 19:05.06 | Shadowcat | case^: you're a moron |
| 19:05.08 | beardy | wereHamster: Forget runlevels. Install X if you want it. |
| 19:05.10 | case^ | great |
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| 19:05.20 | wereHamster | beardy, how.. |
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| 19:05.21 | Shadowcat | you have one of the best routers in the industry |
| 19:05.23 | phrontist | I have /dev/hda3 mounted rw... yet I'm getting "Read-Only Filesystem" errors, what gives? |
| 19:05.25 | brullo | case^, then WAKE UP AND PAY ATTENTION ;-) |
| 19:05.26 | Shadowcat | and you use it as a dumb siwtch? |
| 19:05.27 | wereHamster | I din't know anything about debian |
| 19:05.31 | wereHamster | I'm on gentoo |
| 19:05.37 | Caelum | an 8 port switch is about $30 these days or so I think |
| 19:05.42 | Shadowcat | wereHamster: X --version |
| 19:05.48 | case^ | I'm not getting DCC file incoming alert |
| 19:05.55 | lancelot | please try to help me in the following trouble: any battery status applet does not work on my laptop (error mess: no apm (or acpi) module loaded in kernel) even if the acpi or apm modules are loaded:-(( |
| 19:05.59 | brullo | case^, OK man....I give up. |
| 19:06.01 | Shadowcat | case^: that's becuase you're using ICS as a gateway you idiot |
| 19:06.02 | beardy | wereHamster: apt-get install x-window-system plus the wm/desktop of your choice. |
| 19:06.05 | case^ | nvm |
| 19:06.05 | Shadowcat | because* |
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| 19:06.23 | Seb | enyc: excuse me ? dsbl.org is an open-relay listing, what exactly do you not understand here ? |
| 19:06.25 | Caelum | lancelot: try modprobe battery with acpi on |
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| 19:06.41 | Caelum | lancelot: or to use apm, boot with "noacpi" |
| 19:06.42 | DarkMare | hey guys, in what directory should I install the java sdk? |
| 19:06.49 | Seb | lancelot: do you use acpi or apm, to start with ? |
| 19:06.54 | Shadowcat | !tell DarkMare about java-package |
| 19:06.59 | lancelot | i use acpi |
| 19:07.02 | mwilson | DarkMare: In the directory you want it to be in, oddly enough. |
| 19:07.03 | lancelot | not apm |
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| 19:07.09 | Seb | DarkMare: you don't, you use java-package |
| 19:07.10 | beardy | DarkMare: /topic |
| 19:07.18 | Seb | DarkMare: yeah, topic |
| 19:07.19 | Caelum | lancelot: yes, for acpi "modprobe battery" |
| 19:07.30 | lancelot | and all modules regarding buttons fan etc are loaded excepted the battery one |
| 19:07.36 | wereHamster | beardy, is there apt-get --is-installed x-window-system ? |
| 19:07.43 | lancelot | modprobe battery gives no results:-( |
| 19:07.50 | Seb | lancelot: do what Caelum said, then running "acpi" should show your battery status |
| 19:07.55 | Shadowcat | wereHamster: bloody pay attention |
| 19:07.55 | Seb | mwilson: that was helpful |
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| 19:07.58 | Shadowcat | check the version of X |
| 19:08.00 | Shadowcat | like I told you |
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| 19:08.04 | Seb | mwilson: oh wait, you're mwilson, sorry :) |
| 19:08.09 | Shadowcat | obviously if it can't find the command |
| 19:08.11 | Shadowcat | X isn't installed |
| 19:08.12 | lancelot | the acpi command gives no results |
| 19:08.12 | case^ | I'm going to find another switch:/ |
| 19:08.17 | wereHamster | Shadowcat, to what? |
| 19:08.21 | beardy | wereHamster: man apt-get, or try aptitude |
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| 19:08.24 | Caelum | lancelot: but it loads, right? |
| 19:08.28 | case^ | keep up the friendliness shadow! |
| 19:08.28 | Seb | lancelot: not output ? And you did load the battery module ? |
| 19:08.30 | Shadowcat | wereHamster: you don't know how to check the version of X? |
| 19:08.31 | Shadowcat | ffs |
| 19:08.35 | Shadowcat | X --version |
| 19:08.36 | mwilson | Seb: <shrug> It's the correct answer... what more do you want? It's not like any of the downloadable SDK's care where you put them. |
| 19:08.38 | Shadowcat | now go type that in a console |
| 19:08.42 | Shadowcat | like I told you 10 min ago |
| 19:08.46 | adi_ | mwilson, actually whatever themes i "switch" using gtk-theme-switch, xmms fonts don't change and are still so tiny that i can't read em |
| 19:08.51 | wereHamster | Shadowcat, I have gentoo here.. I don't know *anything* about debian.. |
| 19:08.51 | Seb | mwilson: well no, the correct answer owuld be to point people to java-package |
| 19:09.05 | mwilson | Seb: I'm happy you think so. |
| 19:09.06 | lancelot | i loaded the acpid applet at boot |
| 19:09.10 | beardy | wereHamster: You can still listen to what we tell you. |
| 19:09.10 | Seb | mwilson: although you'll have a point if you say people should start by reading the topic :) |
| 19:09.14 | Shadowcat | wereHamster: X -version isn't a debian command |
| 19:09.16 | Caelum | lancelot: in one window, tail -f /var/log/messages and in the other do modprobe -r battery; modprobe battery |
| 19:09.17 | Shadowcat | it's an X command |
| 19:09.20 | Caelum | lancelot: see what it says |
| 19:09.22 | Thorrn4 | Shadowcat, if I was to install Debian from the netCD, what information do I need to know 1st? |
| 19:09.25 | Shadowcat | which makes me wonder how the hell you installed gentoo in the first place |
| 19:09.32 | Seb | wereHamster: go to #gentoo |
| 19:09.39 | lancelot | ok, just some istants Caelum |
| 19:09.46 | Caelum | lancelot: also apt-get install acpid |
| 19:09.47 | Shadowcat | seb: he's checking for the existence of X on a debian box |
| 19:09.55 | wereHamster | but when his computer starts, he gets a text console, the Xserver doesn't start.. so suppose there is no Xserver installed on his system |
| 19:09.57 | Caelum | lancelot: and see acpi.sf.net |
| 19:10.05 | Shadowcat | wereHamster: well FIND OUT |
| 19:10.06 | case^ | sweet I found a linksys router |
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| 19:10.10 | Seb | Shadowcat: seems to me like he's on gentoo |
| 19:10.11 | Shadowcat | I'm not gonna ssh and type the command for you |
| 19:10.14 | beardy | !install guide |
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| 19:10.14 | dpkg | install guide is probably sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 19:10.15 | ke6isf | wereHamster: X -version works on Debian, Mandrake, Slac, Gentoo.... just do it and stop bellyaching. |
| 19:10.23 | beardy | that factoid seems broken.. |
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| 19:10.41 | Shadowcat | beardy: so fix it |
| 19:10.43 | lancelot | Caelum the first command you suggested gives info only about pppd |
| 19:10.50 | lancelot | then stops |
| 19:10.58 | Seb | lancelot: is acpid running ? |
| 19:11.15 | Caelum | lancelot: yes, while the first command is running run the other two in another window... tail -f /var/log/messages lets you see the system log |
| 19:11.16 | lancelot | the second one always gives no results |
| 19:11.26 | Caelum | lancelot: you have to run them at the same time |
| 19:11.35 | Caelum | lancelot: also, ps fauxw | grep acpid |
| 19:11.36 | DarkMare | exit |
| 19:11.38 | DarkMare | erm |
| 19:11.39 | lancelot | ok ok |
| 19:11.41 | lancelot | sorry |
| 19:11.44 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 19:12.03 | beardy | Thorrn4: Most likely http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ and /msg dpkg reference |
| 19:12.21 | beardy | Shadowcat: I know I would get that answer, I will. |
| 19:12.30 | beardy | knew |
| 19:12.33 | lancelot | Caelum nothing changes |
| 19:12.34 | wereHamster | You probably just misunderstood me... I thought debian package system has something like: apt-get --is-package-installed [package name] I find this much more nicer than try to execute X -version... |
| 19:12.35 | lancelot | :-( |
| 19:12.44 | lancelot | Seb yeah, acpid is running |
| 19:13.01 | Seb | lancelot: and of course you do have a battery in this laptop right now ? |
| 19:13.12 | Seb | wereHamster: dpkg -l thepackagename |
| 19:13.22 | Seb | wereHamster: if the line starts with 'ii' it's installed, if not, it's not |
| 19:13.28 | brullo | weasel, dpkg -l | grep whatever |
| 19:13.37 | Caelum | lancelot: you should be getting a message like ACPI: Battery Slot .... |
| 19:13.37 | lancelot | yeah....even if i'm electric network linked |
| 19:13.43 | brullo | wereHamster, , dpkg -l | grep whatever |
| 19:13.53 | lancelot | no Caelum, i've no similar messages |
| 19:13.57 | wereHamster | thanks... that's exactly what I was looking for.. :) |
| 19:14.08 | Thorrn4 | beardy, besides the list on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s03.html.en#id2516038 is there something more? |
| 19:14.12 | Seb | lancelot: dmesg | grep -i acpi |
| 19:14.31 | Seb | lancelot: maybe your kernel doesn't have acpi support. Do you use a debian precompiled kernel image ? |
| 19:14.46 | Caelum | and grep -i battery |
| 19:14.46 | brullo | wereHamster, where I send the bill? ;-) |
| 19:14.52 | Seb | Thorrn4: it really is straightforward, there is nothing much you need to know before starting... |
| 19:15.17 | lancelot | dmesg......nothing about battery is shown |
| 19:15.18 | wereHamster | He's no X on his system.... is the a 'pretend' mode that would list all the packages apt-get would install instead of installing them ? |
| 19:15.25 | Thorrn4 | Seb, ok...I install it today I guess....thanx |
| 19:15.30 | Seb | lancelot: note how I gave you a precise command to run |
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| 19:15.39 | mwilson | wereHamster: man apt-get |
| 19:15.39 | Seb | lancelot: did this precise command yield any output ? |
| 19:15.40 | lancelot | yeah Seb,i use a kernel 2.6.12 precompiled debian image |
| 19:15.41 | Shadowcat | wereHamster: pretend mode? |
| 19:15.44 | ke6isf | wereHamster: 'man apt-get' or 'info apt-get'. |
| 19:15.45 | Shadowcat | no this isn't emerge --pretend |
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| 19:15.53 | Shadowcat | you either install the packages or you don't |
| 19:15.55 | Shadda` | Blah |
| 19:15.55 | Seb | wereHamster: apt-get --simulate |
| 19:15.56 | Caelum | lancelot: any other acpi messages? |
| 19:16.08 | mwilson | Shadowcat: Uh, perhaps YOU need to read the man page. |
| 19:16.09 | Seb | Shadowcat: well no, --simulate works fine |
| 19:16.10 | Shadda` | Has anyone here had trouble with apache2 and php extensions? |
| 19:16.18 | lancelot | yeah Seb, it gives an output....just wait some istants, i'll show it here |
| 19:16.34 | Shadda` | I've done a clean install of apache2 and php5, but I can't get php5-tidy, php5-ldap and a few other extensions to work |
| 19:16.36 | Seb | Shadowcat: make sure you can at least back your claims if you're gonna be not so polite |
| 19:16.41 | masoft | how can I make DEB packages from source ? |
| 19:16.41 | Seb | lancelot: no, don't :} |
| 19:16.46 | Seb | lancelot: it's probably too much |
| 19:16.46 | Shadda` | They don't show up as compiled in with php |
| 19:16.55 | Seb | lancelot: this was just menat to see if your kernel was ACPI-enabled |
| 19:16.59 | Shadowcat | Seb: I stopped being polite to him because I told him to type X -version about 30 min ago |
| 19:17.00 | lancelot | it's not |
| 19:17.02 | Shadowcat | and he wouldn't listen |
| 19:17.06 | Caelum | lancelot: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 19:17.12 | lancelot | Camelot:/home/lancelot# dmesg | grep -i acpi |
| 19:17.13 | lancelot | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.13 | lancelot | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.13 | lancelot | ACPI: RSDP (v000 ACER ) @ 0x000f62e0 |
| 19:17.13 | lancelot | ACPI: RSDT (v001 ACER Kestrel 0x20020803 LTP 0x00000000) @ 0x0eee7c68 |
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| 19:17.18 | Seb | theeeeere |
| 19:17.23 | Caelum | heh |
| 19:17.30 | wereHamster | Seb, thanks.. you're being very nice to me.. I appreciate it |
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| 19:17.37 | lancelot | ACPI: IRQ9 SCI: Edge set to Level Trigger. |
| 19:17.39 | lancelot | ACPI: Interpreter enabled |
| 19:17.43 | lancelot | ACPI: Using PIC for interrupt routing |
| 19:17.44 | lancelot | ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (00:00) |
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| 19:17.44 | Seb | lancelot: stop now |
| 19:17.48 | ke6isf | !tell lancelot -about flood |
| 19:17.48 | Shadowcat | !tell lancelot about paste |
| 19:17.50 | lancelot | ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT] |
| 19:17.50 | lancelot | ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.PCIB._PRT] |
| 19:17.54 | lancelot | ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA] (IRQs *6) |
| 19:17.54 | lancelot | ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] (IRQs *10) |
| 19:17.55 | Seb | good $deity |
| 19:17.55 | lancelot | ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs *6) |
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| 19:17.57 | lancelot | ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] (IRQs *6) |
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| 19:17.59 | lancelot | ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKE] (IRQs *10) |
| 19:18.00 | mwilson | <snicker> |
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| 19:18.01 | lancelot | ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKF] (IRQs 10) *0, disabled. |
| 19:18.01 | ke6isf | !ops lancelot is flooding the channel |
| 19:18.01 | *** mode/#debian [+o asuffield] by ChanServ |
| 19:18.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: lancelot is flooding the channel |
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| 19:18.03 | lancelot | ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKG] (IRQs 6) *0, disabled. |
| 19:18.05 | lancelot | ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] (IRQs *10) |
| 19:18.07 | lancelot | ACPI: Embedded Controller [EC0] (gpe 29) |
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| 19:18.09 | Shadda` | lol |
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| 19:18.13 | Shadowcat | bingo |
| 19:18.14 | brullo | lancelot, have you been smoking carrots again? |
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| 19:18.24 | asuffield | ke6isf: what, you think that isn't obvious? |
| 19:18.26 | Caelum | haha |
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| 19:18.30 | yang26 | lancelot: you gonna paste the whole PCI table? |
| 19:18.38 | Shadowcat | yang26: looks like it |
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| 19:18.42 | Aim_Here | I like how he came back after a kicking and carried on posting |
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| 19:18.44 | hans0lo | brullo: aren't carrots too wet to burn? |
| 19:18.55 | mwilson | Dry them first. |
| 19:18.59 | mwilson | Then shred them. |
| 19:18.59 | asuffield | Aim_Here: some clients do that |
| 19:19.02 | ke6isf | asuffield: Well, I can't see when an op is watching... =^_^=;; |
| 19:19.08 | brullo | hans0lo, details details...you must have vision ;-) |
| 19:19.20 | Aim_Here | That's a bit obnoxious |
| 19:19.26 | adi_ | how to fix these tiny caracters in xmms ? |
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| 19:19.37 | mwilson | adi_: I told you once. |
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| 19:19.40 | asuffield | IRC clients usually are |
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| 19:19.47 | adi_ | mwilson, yeah but it didn't work |
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| 19:19.53 | adi_ | as i answered you |
| 19:19.56 | mwilson | adi_: Except that it does, of course. |
| 19:20.08 | adi_ | mwilson, yea i know i must be wrong somewhere :p |
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| 19:23.55 | kuhwallskee | anyone have any experience in bootstrapping debian onto an sgi indy? |
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| 19:25.54 | Jouk | not me |
| 19:26.13 | metaperl | whats a good cmdline ogg player for debian? |
| 19:26.21 | amphi | ogg123 |
| 19:26.54 | metaperl | amphi: not available. in debian testing |
| 19:26.59 | beardy | !install guide |
| 19:27.00 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 19:27.14 | Seb | metaperl: maybe getting it from backports.org or apt-get.org |
| 19:27.24 | Seb | metaperl: although I'm fairly sure mplayer would play ogg |
| 19:27.39 | Seb | !find ogg123 testing |
| 19:27.39 | mwilson | metaperl: How do you figure? Testing doesn't have vorbis-tools? |
| 19:27.42 | Aim_Here | mplayer doesn't play ogg, at least not without plugins or something |
| 19:27.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ogg123' (3): (/usr/share/irssi/scripts/ogg123.pl) in net/irssi-scripts ;; (/usr/share/doc/python-pyvorbis/examples/ogg123.py.gz) in python/python-pyvorbis ;; (/usr/bin/ogg123, /usr/share/doc/vorbis-tools/examples/ogg123rc-example) in sound/vorbis-tools. |
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| 19:28.34 | Seb | Aim_Here: as packaged by marillat, it sure does, out of the box |
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| 19:28.57 | metaperl | maybe because I added apt.agnula.org recently that is messing things up |
| 19:29.03 | CosmoDad | I'm having a problem with X/kdm: I can login as root but trying the same with any other user kdm just restarts. Any idea? |
| 19:29.05 | brullo | Aim_Here, apt-cache search ogg vorbis |
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| 19:29.17 | CosmoDad | ...just restarts kdm, that is |
| 19:29.25 | Shadowcat | CosmoDad: what version of debian? |
| 19:29.27 | Aim_Here | Ah, you mean the third party deb package |
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| 19:29.34 | Aim_Here | I've always compiled my own mplayer |
| 19:29.35 | mwilson | metaperl: The reason you don't install the vorbis-tools package would be...? |
| 19:29.38 | ke6isf | !tell Aim_Here -about marillat |
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| 19:29.47 | Aim_Here | I know about it |
| 19:29.47 | Aim_Here | sigh |
| 19:29.47 | Seb | Aim_Here: heh, marillat is so convenient, you should try it :) |
| 19:29.50 | mjk64 | Aim_Here: mplayer can (I'm not on debian currently) play ogg using libvorbis |
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| 19:29.59 | ke6isf | !wayc Aim_Here |
| 19:30.00 | dpkg | Aim_Here: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 19:30.15 | Seb | mjk64: which marillat's version does indeed depend on by default, so yeah it's enabled |
| 19:30.15 | CosmoDad | Shadowcat: and older testing before sarge became stable |
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| 19:30.30 | Aim_Here | Well the last time was just because I had the tarball handy and no net access for apt-get |
| 19:30.33 | CosmoDad | Shadowcat: s/and/an/ |
| 19:30.38 | Shadowcat | CosmoDad: then it's time for you to upgrade |
| 19:30.39 | Shadowcat | get on it |
| 19:30.40 | Shadowcat | ! |
| 19:30.57 | Seb | ke6isf: hrm, marillat is redistributing binaries of mapalyer, which iirc is not quite allowed by the mplayer team. SOme people like to be on the right side of the law :> |
| 19:31.24 | CosmoDad | Shadowcat: are you sure that's the prob? It used to work before... this is a machine used at the place I work, I wouldn't wanna upgrade unless absolutely necessary |
| 19:31.27 | amphi | Seb: really? |
| 19:31.30 | Aim_Here | I thought it was allowed by mplayer |
| 19:31.33 | brullo | in openoffice impress can you have pages autodeleted after a period of x hours? |
| 19:31.35 | wereHamster | whats the name of the gnome desktop package? |
| 19:31.37 | Seb | maybe it changed recently ? |
| 19:31.40 | Aim_Here | THe problem was just that debian won't package it |
| 19:31.43 | Shadowcat | CosmoDad: I'm sure that the stable version has no such problems |
| 19:31.52 | Seb | Aim_Here: my info might be outdated on that... |
| 19:31.53 | CosmoDad | Shadowcat: my probs started when I installed fglrx... |
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| 19:32.07 | Shadowcat | just upgrade to the stable packages |
| 19:32.09 | Seb | wereHamster: apt-cache search gnome |
| 19:32.09 | Shadowcat | see what happens |
| 19:32.23 | ke6isf | wereHamster: apt-cache search gnome-desktop |
| 19:32.25 | CosmoDad | Shadowcat: ok thx |
| 19:32.42 | ke6isf | wereHamster: 'apt-cache search foo' is your friend. =^_^= |
| 19:32.43 | mjk64 | Seb: ah, okay |
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| 19:32.56 | Aim_Here | Seb, /usr/share/doc tells me mplayer is GPL so they're not restricting binary distribution |
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| 19:33.07 | Aim_Here | well as long as you hand out source somehow |
| 19:33.23 | Seb | Aim_Here: so why again is it not in debian ? |
| 19:33.29 | Seb | the main archive Imean |
| 19:33.29 | Aim_Here | Patents |
| 19:33.31 | ke6isf | Aim_Here: I believe marillat has a source directory. |
| 19:33.31 | Caelum | the government keeps trying to fuck up my alsa :( |
| 19:33.37 | Seb | Aim_Here: ah k |
| 19:33.42 | Aim_Here | It's a DVD player, debian won't break the DVDCCA patents or whatever |
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| 19:34.20 | Seb | Aim_Here: excuse me ? |
| 19:34.25 | Seb | Aim_Here: xine is a dvd player too :D |
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| 19:35.02 | Aim_Here | Hmm, will xine play dvds straight from apt-get? |
| 19:35.05 | tarzeau | how can i view pfb fonts? |
| 19:35.12 | mwilson | Aim_Here: Of course. |
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| 19:35.22 | Aim_Here | That's curious |
| 19:35.30 | mwilson | Aim_Here: Not encrypted ones, but playing a DVD is no big deal. |
| 19:35.40 | amphi | Aim_Here: you need libdvdcss2 also IIRC |
| 19:35.52 | Seb | amphi: only for *encrypted* DVDs |
| 19:35.58 | Lee__ | would one know of a package in sarge for distributed encoding video encoding? |
| 19:35.59 | Aim_Here | Ah, the encryption |
| 19:36.07 | Aim_Here | IT's DMCA, rather than patents |
| 19:36.09 | amphi | Seb: well, yeah |
| 19:36.14 | Lee__ | drop that first "encoding" |
| 19:36.57 | Seb | Aim_Here: mplayer doesn't include libdvdcss2 by default, so it cna't be why it's not i ndebia neither |
| 19:36.57 | wereHamster | how can I start the xserver without having to reboot.. /etc/init.d/??? start ? |
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| 19:36.57 | Seb | wereHamster: kdm if you use that |
| 19:36.57 | Lee__ | wereHamster: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 19:36.58 | Seb | Beik: don't do that |
| 19:37.05 | wereHamster | and gnome? gdm ? |
| 19:37.07 | Aim_Here | SUre? |
| 19:37.20 | amphi | Seb: I think it's problems with included codecs |
| 19:37.21 | Beik | Seb: Sorry. I'm new to irc. |
| 19:37.42 | Seb | amphi: i would think that too, but most of them are in a separate win32codecs package, though |
| 19:37.48 | Aim_Here | My mplayer tarball has bits of libdvdcss in a subdirectory |
| 19:37.49 | Seb | Beik: no problem |
| 19:38.00 | Seb | Aim_Here: does it ? Then that's why... |
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| 19:38.43 | tarzeau | !pfb |
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| 19:40.20 | Lee__ | would someone know of an hardware mpeg-4 decoder which has Linux drivers? perferable in a small form-factor design. |
| 19:40.50 | Shadowcat | <insert hauppange card here> |
| 19:40.52 | Shadowcat | pretty much |
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| 19:41.46 | Lee__ | Shadowcat: are those very long? would it fit in a mini-itx case? |
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| 19:41.58 | Shadowcat | they're pci cards |
| 19:42.02 | Shadowcat | of the regular kind |
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| 19:42.31 | Lee__ | yeah, but how long are they? if the end is longer than the rear of the case, it's not very useful. 10", 5", 12"? |
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| 19:42.46 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 19:42.50 | Shadowcat | what am I Houdini? |
| 19:42.55 | Shadowcat | go down to your local hardware store and look |
| 19:43.17 | Lee__ | Yes. I did, actually, think you are Houdini. Apologies for the mistaken identity. |
| 19:43.19 | Shadowcat | I don't have problems fitting cards into mythboxes as mine are based on full length cases |
| 19:43.32 | Shadowcat | silverstones to be exact |
| 19:43.42 | Shadowcat | no point in having a mythbox if you can't store anything on it |
| 19:44.11 | Lee__ | this isn't for a mythbox but I appreciate the advice. |
| 19:44.21 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 19:44.29 | Shadowcat | what are you sticking it in? |
| 19:44.58 | Lee__ | it's for a public video installation in NYC. |
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| 19:45.19 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 19:45.28 | Shadowcat | you might want to get a specialized card then |
| 19:45.36 | Lee__ | I thought some of the smaller boards with less CPU power could have a hardware mpeg-4 decoder and I can still get good framerate. |
| 19:45.41 | Shadowcat | hauppauge tv cards just happen to have a hardware encoder |
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| 19:45.50 | Lee__ | I need a /decoder/. |
| 19:45.50 | Shadowcat | but they're meant for entertainment |
| 19:46.00 | Shadowcat | bah |
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| 19:46.06 | Shadowcat | encode/decode |
| 19:46.07 | Shadowcat | umm |
| 19:46.14 | Shadowcat | how powerful is the cpu exactly? |
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| 19:46.40 | gozz | i installed debian and i have an ati video card how can i change my res? 800X600 is the highest it has in the control center |
| 19:46.45 | Lee__ | not sure. Some of the VIA Nehima (sp?) CPUs are 1ghz but very small indeed. The dev box is a 1.5ghz P IV and it's performing fine. |
| 19:46.53 | amphi | gozz: what ati card? |
| 19:46.57 | pamiller | what's a good way to apply a mail filter to an existing maildir? |
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| 19:47.10 | Shadowcat | Lee__: go buy a Pentium-M processor |
| 19:47.10 | Lee__ | pamiller: with procmail |
| 19:47.16 | Shadowcat | and stick it in a desktop board |
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| 19:47.20 | gozz | 9600 all in wonder |
| 19:47.30 | Shadowcat | from AOpen or Biostar |
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| 19:47.33 | Shadowcat | or was it Tyan |
| 19:47.36 | Lee__ | Shadowcat: heh, good idea. those have the same pins? |
| 19:47.51 | Shadowcat | Lee__: as via, no |
| 19:47.57 | Shadowcat | you have to buy a special desktop board for it |
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| 19:48.04 | Shadowcat | but they do have the juice required |
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| 19:48.10 | Lee__ | true. thanks. |
| 19:48.16 | Shadowcat | you can cool a 1.6ghz Pentium-M passively |
| 19:48.23 | Shadowcat | so no moving parts |
| 19:48.29 | hans0lo | help |
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| 19:49.24 | zweideutig | modinfo: snd-sb16: no module by that name found |
| 19:49.40 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 19:49.45 | Shadowcat | actually dfi made the second board |
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| 19:49.47 | Shadowcat | AOpen an DFI |
| 19:49.50 | Shadowcat | and* |
| 19:49.50 | zweideutig | So does this mean I need to find a kernel image with the modules, or do I have to compile my own on this 100 MHz Pentium CPU? |
| 19:49.55 | matthias__ | Hi all! |
| 19:49.58 | Caelum | renicing esd to -15 seems to make sound skip/pop a lot less |
| 19:50.09 | gozz | is it not compatable? the drivers on the website are for different cards |
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| 19:51.48 | zweideutig | No one knows? |
| 19:51.49 | matthias__ | I have just discoverd a project running debian on manga with a power consumption of 3.1 watt (http://www.pamurray.com/manga/). Has anybody got another proposal for me? I want to build a small webserver (php, mysql, apache) on any architectur with a small power consumption (< 10 watt) |
| 19:51.53 | legind | how do I create a keyboard shortcuts in gnome? |
| 19:51.58 | zweideutig | I would rather not poll the channel. |
| 19:52.15 | legind | zweideutig, are you ambiguous |
| 19:52.27 | zweideutig | ildegar: Ja |
| 19:52.27 | pipeline | zweideutig: sb16 isn't supported by ALSA. You need to use OSS. Also, you'll need the isapnp package. |
| 19:52.42 | ildegar | zweideutig, = |
| 19:52.44 | legind | zweideutig, ausgezeichnet :) |
| 19:52.44 | zweideutig | pipeline: Danke. |
| 19:52.46 | ildegar | ? |
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| 19:53.11 | Caelum | matthias__: wrt54g a network drive? |
| 19:53.16 | Caelum | err with |
| 19:53.33 | petemc | matthias__: openwrt |
| 19:53.41 | zweideutig | OSS is not free though. |
| 19:53.42 | abrotman | matthias__: via CPUs .. |
| 19:53.46 | zweideutig | Oh well. |
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| 19:53.59 | zweideutig | Nothing wrong with paying I guess. |
| 19:54.12 | Caelum | wrt54g is like the cheapest little linux box :) |
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| 19:55.52 | matthias__ | Caelum: would that work as webserver? what about the power consumption (watt) ? |
| 19:56.05 | matthias__ | abrotman: they need much more than 10 watt, don't they? |
| 19:56.29 | abrotman | matthias__: check .. via.com iirc |
| 19:56.32 | Caelum | matthias__: it is a web server. Dunno about sticking php and mysql on there though, dunno if it can be hacked to support a microdrive or something but it probably could |
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| 19:56.47 | abrotman | http://www.viatech.com/ |
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| 19:56.55 | Caelum | matthias__: also it's about 200mhz, not exactly super fast |
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| 19:57.10 | kevin`_ | Caelum you can use a flash card with it fairly easily |
| 19:57.16 | abrotman | matthias__: there's more than C7 |
| 19:57.23 | Caelum | kevin`_: which means a microdrive too? nice! :) |
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| 19:57.54 | kevin`_ | Caelum using the gpio ports to drive a cf card |
| 19:57.55 | Caelum | kevin`_: so...with some work I could theoretically install Debian on a wrt54g? |
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| 19:58.18 | legind | how does one make keyboard shortcuts other than the gnome utility that only supports certain programs |
| 19:58.18 | kevin`_ | Caelum debian for mips? |
| 19:58.20 | matthias__ | that would be great ;) |
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| 19:58.31 | petemc | Caelum: i think joey hess has done some work on getting debian on a wrt54g |
| 19:58.31 | matthias__ | or netbsd |
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| 19:59.01 | Caelum | petemc: sounds like an awesome project |
| 19:59.22 | hans0lo | ~/part |
| 19:59.26 | matthias__ | btw, I have a fritzbox here which runs linux, too. maybe I could use this box. |
| 19:59.36 | matthias__ | not sure about that |
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| 20:00.01 | Caelum | matthias__: you might be able to find an old ARM based box somewhere too |
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| 20:00.31 | tarzeau | gawd is gimp2 awfully slow over remote x |
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| 20:01.55 | matthias__ | Caelum: no idea.. (that's the problem ;) |
| 20:02.07 | matthias__ | abrotman: I'll have a look. |
| 20:02.10 | Caelum | matthias__: ebay |
| 20:02.23 | matthias__ | thanks for your hints!! |
| 20:02.36 | Caelum | matthias__: mini-ITX kits can be pricey, there's lots of stuff you can use that's really cheap with some tweaking |
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| 20:04.12 | matthias__ | Caelum: well, they are really expensive and, as far as I know, they need about 40 Watt! |
| 20:04.29 | matthias__ | I've had a look at mini-itx when I wanted to build a carpc ;) |
| 20:04.43 | abrotman | matthias__: i meant the .. eden stuff i think |
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| 20:04.57 | abrotman | matthias__: The VIA Eden-N is available in the tiny nanoBGA package and has a maximum power consumption of 7W. |
| 20:04.59 | wereHamster | if someone installs gnome-dexktop, does he have to change anything in /etc/rc.conf or similar to activate the Gnome desktop? |
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| 20:05.10 | abrotman | wereHamster: you mean to have gdm start? |
| 20:05.10 | Shadowcat | Caelum: what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:06.10 | wereHamster | abrotman, a friend has installed gnome-desktop, but /etc/init.d/gdm doesn't exist |
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| 20:06.39 | abrotman | wereHamster: install gdm |
| 20:06.41 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 20:06.41 | dpkg | well, install gnome is to install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 20:06.50 | Caelum | Shadowcat: matthias__ was asking about ultra low power consumption web servers |
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| 20:07.22 | Shadowcat | Caelum: isn't that an oxymoron? |
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| 20:07.29 | Shadowcat | a web server is supposed to serve up content |
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| 20:07.31 | matthias__ | abrotman: but should be very expensive, right? |
| 20:07.32 | Shadowcat | not save batteries |
| 20:08.03 | matthias__ | Shadowcat: but it should be available 24/7 too |
| 20:08.11 | Shadowcat | ffs |
| 20:08.13 | RvGaTe | helloooo people |
| 20:08.21 | Shadowcat | just buy an Opteron |
| 20:08.21 | RvGaTe | somehow im very happy :) |
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| 20:08.25 | abrotman | matthias__: unsure ... |
| 20:08.25 | Shadowcat | or an AMD64 X2 |
| 20:08.27 | Shadowcat | or whatever |
| 20:08.33 | Shadowcat | you're running a server |
| 20:08.37 | Shadowcat | not a laptop |
| 20:08.55 | abrotman | Shadowcat: a webserver doesn't have to be 3Ghz to serve pages |
| 20:09.15 | Shadowcat | no |
| 20:09.27 | Shadowcat | but putting it on ITX is a little too extreme |
| 20:09.29 | matthias__ | I'm not talking about a BIG server |
| 20:09.33 | abrotman | not really |
| 20:09.35 | matthias__ | just a small one for private reasons |
| 20:09.39 | Shadowcat | if it's a low end server dump it on an old PIII |
| 20:09.54 | Shadowcat | I'm sure you have a bunch of PIIIs from the 500mhz era lying around |
| 20:09.58 | bucky | my PPro does it and i depend on slow clock cycles for bandwidth throttling |
| 20:09.58 | Shadowcat | that should be enough |
| 20:10.08 | matthias__ | I've had an old one (166 MHZ) consuming about 25 watt |
| 20:10.13 | abrotman | Shadowcat: you're missing the entire point |
| 20:10.31 | pamiller | how can I run procmail or maildrop on an existing maildir? |
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| 20:11.19 | matthias__ | abrotman: I think they are about 180 euro .. |
| 20:11.39 | abrotman | matthias__: you didnt' say money was part of the criteria :) |
| 20:11.54 | matthias__ | abrotman: you're right =) |
| 20:11.54 | abrotman | gah fuck |
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| 20:12.03 | abrotman | !maint libportaudio0 |
| 20:12.07 | dpkg | libportaudio0: Debian VoIP Team <pkg-voip-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 20:12.10 | wereHamster | anyone has expirience with a serial mouse and X? |
| 20:12.11 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:12.21 | abrotman | wereHamster: many people .. just ask |
| 20:12.36 | matthias__ | Caelum: nothing found at ebay |
| 20:13.05 | Vantage__ | hi, i'm trying to install debian sarge on an asus pundit-r (sata HDD, ide DVD drive) and get the error "the installer cannot figure out how to install debian" any idea why that might be? |
| 20:13.09 | elirips | hello people. anyone of you remembers the game 'lemmings'? is there something like that available for debian? |
| 20:13.19 | abrotman | matthias__: how much does p4-m consume ? |
| 20:13.38 | abrotman | elirips: there is |
| 20:13.54 | abrotman | elirips: apt-cache search lemmings |
| 20:14.06 | elirips | abrotman: thanks, i just found pinugs.. let's have a look.. |
| 20:14.14 | matthias__ | abrotman: no idea, but they are quite expensive too |
| 20:14.24 | matthias__ | abrotman: have you had a look at the weblink I posted here? |
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| 20:14.57 | lord_rob | elirips: pingus is nice, really :) |
| 20:15.16 | abrotman | matthias__: didn't see it |
| 20:15.43 | matthias__ | abrotman: http://www.pamurray.com/manga/ |
| 20:15.56 | matthias__ | abrotman: that's great, too. but the hardware is quite expensive, too ;) |
| 20:15.58 | DarkMare | hey, the clock in KDE displays the wrong time (with the correct timezone). I assume this is because the clock isn't taking daylight saving into consideration. where can I activate this? |
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| 20:16.19 | bjorn | anyone using a thinkpad? |
| 20:16.20 | matthias__ | abrotman: so it's not worth it to save power ;) |
| 20:16.24 | germangardener10 | hey all |
| 20:16.28 | bjorn | with debian? |
| 20:16.51 | bjorn | the built-in mouse nubbin isn't working for me on my Thinkpad G41 |
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| 20:17.15 | abrotman | matthias__: nice .. you can't buy one of those ? |
| 20:17.29 | abrotman | bjorn: i have G40 .. nubbie works fine |
| 20:17.31 | matthias__ | abrotman: I could.. but they are about 200 US-D, too. |
| 20:17.37 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 20:17.53 | bjorn | abrotman: what settings? I'm using /dev/psaux and ImPS/2 |
| 20:17.56 | abrotman | matthias__: well .. you can't get something for nothing |
| 20:18.00 | abrotman | bjorn: /dev/input/mice |
| 20:18.01 | DarkMare | hey, the clock in KDE displays the wrong time (with the correct timezone). I assume this is because the clock isn't taking daylight saving into consideration. where can I activate this? |
| 20:18.03 | bjorn | ah |
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| 20:18.44 | matthias__ | abrotman: that's true, too. But well there are two points why I don't want to use a normal computer: 1) power costs 2) environment (atomic energy) |
| 20:18.58 | abrotman | matthias__: your server runs on atomic energy ? |
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| 20:19.20 | matthias__ | abrotman: well, I live in germany.. So yes ;) |
| 20:19.43 | matthias__ | abrotman: I don't have an atomic reactor at home ;) |
| 20:19.46 | abrotman | you should! |
| 20:19.55 | abrotman | you need a Mr. Fusion!!!! |
| 20:19.55 | wereHamster | what is the default log file for the xserver? /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 20:20.07 | matthias__ | abrotman: is there a man page? |
| 20:20.10 | abrotman | wereHamster: yes |
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| 20:20.17 | abrotman | matthias__: for Mr. Fusion ? |
| 20:20.22 | matthias__ | abrotman: yes ;) |
| 20:20.34 | abrotman | matthias__: you've not seen back to the future ? |
| 20:20.38 | matthias__ | abrotman: no, seriosly... maybe I could use my fritzbox, too. |
| 20:20.56 | abrotman | matthias__: basically .. you're gonna have to spend the money |
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| 20:21.04 | germangardener10 | hey i have a question about mplayer and getting my sound working, should i spew out my error here or in #flood? |
| 20:21.07 | elirips | lord_rob: pingus is nice, for real. thanks :) now i'm busy for the next few hours.. |
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| 20:21.22 | abrotman | germangardener10: what is the problem first of all ? |
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| 20:21.32 | bjorn | okay abrotman, before (when I had it set to /dev/psaux) it jumped around quasi randomly when I touched the nubbin\ |
| 20:21.38 | fken | how can i read rm files? |
| 20:21.38 | bjorn | (that sounds... off) |
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| 20:21.50 | abrotman | fken: real player .. maybe win32codecs |
| 20:21.58 | abrotman | bjorn: try /dev/input/mice |
| 20:21.58 | matthias__ | abrotman: that's what I doubt, too. |
| 20:21.59 | bjorn | anyway, switching it to /dev/input/mice has made it stop working entirely |
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| 20:22.16 | bjorn | my USB mouse works fine... |
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| 20:22.44 | abrotman | bjorn: so the external works .. but the nubbie doens't ? .. what if you boot the machine wihtout the usb mouse plugged in ? |
| 20:22.53 | germangardener10 | i've had mplayer and mplay working with sound and video before, but i re installed my system and i can't figure out what i did before to get sound working. i can play sound with xmms but mplay nad mplayer are not working |
| 20:22.53 | fken | i havent the codec in my sources... i suppose i must have a 32bit release or a chroot |
| 20:23.05 | fken | abrotman:thank you anyway |
| 20:23.13 | abrotman | !tell fken about marillat |
| 20:23.29 | bjorn | abrotman: hmmm... good question |
| 20:23.35 | bjorn | I don't know, I haven't tried |
| 20:23.39 | fken | abrotman:i never fund a marillat for amd64 |
| 20:23.41 | bjorn | is that a likely culprit? |
| 20:23.47 | abrotman | fken: oh .. yeah .. no idea then |
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| 20:23.57 | abrotman | bjorn: possibly . worth a shot anyways |
| 20:24.02 | brullo | in openoffice impress can you have pages autodeleted after a period of x hours? |
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| 20:24.14 | bjorn | what protocol are you using? ImPS/2? |
| 20:24.23 | Rickyx | Can someone tell me why this doesn't work ? |
| 20:24.24 | Rickyx | rsync -a --update /home/rrs/My\ Documents/ 192.168.1.2:/home/rrs/My\ Documents/ |
| 20:24.30 | fken | oh... i thought you would learn me a great news :) |
| 20:24.44 | metaperl | I'm getting 8 million XMLhelper issues from pingus debian-testing |
| 20:24.55 | abrotman | metaperl: doesn't run ? |
| 20:24.58 | fken | eh eh ! |
| 20:24.59 | fken | 22/09/2005 : |
| 20:24.59 | fken | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.09 | metaperl | abrotman: it is runnin |
| 20:25.15 | ondrish | ahoy, how does one go about regaining his registered nickname? |
| 20:25.26 | abrotman | ondrish: #freenode |
| 20:26.09 | germangardener10 | the error that i get from mplayer is [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 20:26.09 | germangardener10 | [AO ESD] esd_open_sound failed: No such file or directory |
| 20:26.09 | germangardener10 | AO: [null] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bps) |
| 20:26.15 | ondrish | abrotman, roger |
| 20:26.33 | bjorn | abrotman: what protocol are you using? ImPS/2? |
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| 20:26.50 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.50 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.12 | germangardener10 | i was trying to get the sequencer in rosegarden to work and i did some tricky mod deals but i can't remember what they are |
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| 20:27.51 | fken | abrotman: finally there are a lot of marillat for amd64 but no one is for etch : there are only sarge and sid |
| 20:27.59 | fken | what is your advice ? |
| 20:28.01 | germangardener10 | any ideas? |
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| 20:29.14 | priest | Does someone know if it's posible to see quota-status on imap with Evolution? |
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| 20:30.09 | hanaurimasume | I just installed 3.1, dual boot with Gentoo, but I can't configure grub correctly. I don't know which kernel to load, and which one it is. Can anyone help? |
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| 20:30.23 | abrotman | hanaurimasume: ls /boot/ ? |
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| 20:30.31 | hanaurimasume | abrotman, Only Gentoo kernels |
| 20:31.00 | CosmoDad | what's the difference between making a "skip" entry in /etc/discover.conf and an entry in /etc/hotplug/blacklist? |
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| 20:31.10 | abrotman | hanaurimasume: which are you in right now ? |
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| 20:31.24 | hanaurimasume | abrotman, Gentoo, I can't get Debian to load. |
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| 20:31.49 | abrotman | hanaurimasume: can you mount the debian / somewhere? |
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| 20:32.20 | lesshaste | can anyone with mame try http://spectrummagic.emuunlim.com/Games/Jetsetw1.zip for me please and tell me how to get it working? |
| 20:32.23 | hanaurimasume | abrotman, 'mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/deb' something like that? |
| 20:32.48 | abrotman | hanaurimasume: sure |
| 20:33.32 | germangardener10 | hey if i want to add a line to at fiel how do i do that with echo? |
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| 20:33.38 | germangardener10 | file |
| 20:33.50 | hanaurimasume | abrotman, Okay, I mounted it |
| 20:34.40 | priest | germangardener10, echo "text" >> the-file |
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| 20:34.54 | abrotman | hanaurimasume: ok .. look in the /boot on that partition |
| 20:35.03 | germangardener10 | will taht add it to the botem of the file or replace the text in it allready |
| 20:35.31 | hanaurimasume | abrotman, It's still only Gentoo kernels 'kernel-2.6.12-gentoo-r6' |
| 20:35.52 | abrotman | hanaurimasume: no .. in /mnt/deb/boot/ |
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| 20:36.10 | shad0w1e | quesion: How do I write an image file I have to my MBR ?? |
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| 20:36.43 | hanaurimasume | abrotman, oops '/boot' instead of 'boot', okay found it |
| 20:36.46 | valdyn | shad0w1e: an image file of an mbr? |
| 20:36.49 | Ochiaberi | I have a problem with a testing release |
| 20:36.49 | nailbiter | germangardener10: echo foo >>file.txt # appends "foo" to 'file.txt'. |
| 20:36.50 | germangardener10 | hey thankyou |
| 20:36.51 | nailbiter | germangardener10: echo foo >file.txt # replaces contents of 'file.txt' with "foo". |
| 20:36.54 | hanaurimasume | abrotman, Just put in that kernel into grub? |
| 20:36.59 | shad0w1e | Valdyn, yes |
| 20:37.18 | abrotman | hanaurimasume: if you know grub syntax .. yeah .. probably need an initrd line too |
| 20:37.19 | valdyn | shad0w1e: dd if=file of=/dev/hda |
| 20:37.27 | shad0w1e | I tried that... |
| 20:37.32 | valdyn | shad0w1e: replace 'hda' with your disk |
| 20:37.33 | Ochiaberi | everything I try to install wants to uninstall e2fsprog package. Can anybody help me ? |
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| 20:37.42 | shad0w1e | valyn |
| 20:37.45 | shad0w1e | omg im such a nut |
| 20:37.50 | shad0w1e | I put sda in the first place |
| 20:37.55 | shad0w1e | for location of the image |
| 20:37.56 | mwilson | Ochiaberi: Unlikely. |
| 20:37.59 | shad0w1e | then by mbr i put in hda |
| 20:37.59 | shad0w1e | lol |
| 20:38.05 | shad0w1e | its sda |
| 20:38.05 | germangardener10 | hey i just typed apt-get -f install and now it is deleting a ton of packages |
| 20:38.07 | shad0w1e | thanks! |
| 20:38.19 | germangardener10 | i'm trying to upgrade python |
| 20:38.25 | shad0w1e | ok thanks! |
| 20:38.25 | germangardener10 | is that noraml? |
| 20:38.26 | shad0w1e | cya |
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| 20:38.33 | valdyn | germangardener10: on sid? |
| 20:38.35 | mwilson | germangardener10: Well, yeah, you told it that it was allowed to, after all. What did you think was going to happen? |
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| 20:38.54 | me2you | hello, i've got a strange problem. i'm using linux 2.6 and my disk is going on and off once a day.. whats that? its like going in standby mode and back out standby mode... what can i do to ignore this? |
| 20:39.11 | valdyn | germangardener10: apt-get -f install will do whatever is needed to fix dependencies, though its not always picking the 'best' solution |
| 20:39.38 | Ochiaberi | mwilson, thx that's clear enough |
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| 20:40.03 | metaperl | error in "Float or Die" tutorial of pingus: http://rafb.net/paste/results/z4XuTP93.html |
| 20:40.07 | metaperl | aborts game |
| 20:40.35 | pamiller | how can I run procmail or maildrop on an existing maildir? |
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| 20:41.40 | abrotman | metaperl: you'd file a bug |
| 20:42.10 | Caelum | pamiller: your maildir or the system maildir? |
| 20:42.25 | pamiller | Caelum: no |
| 20:42.59 | germangardener10 | ohh well |
| 20:43.02 | mwilson | pamiller: How is "no" an answer to his question? |
| 20:43.05 | Caelum | pamiller: procmail delivers mail, to a spool, maildir, etc. |
| 20:43.15 | germangardener10 | hey one more question.... |
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| 20:44.01 | pamiller | Caelum: yeah, I want to read from a maildir and filter the messages into another maildir |
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| 20:44.21 | pamiller | Caelum: my maildir |
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| 20:44.58 | germangardener10 | if i install a new verion of python or gcc or whatever by compiling it that is going to really mess up my system, essentially i would need to compile everything that depends on python agian right? |
| 20:45.11 | Caelum | pamiller: and is this like an IMAP maildir or a qmail maildir? |
| 20:45.31 | mwilson | germangardener10: What would lead you to think you needed to do either of those things? |
| 20:45.55 | pamiller | Caelum: actually, it's a maildir generated from offlineimap |
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| 20:46.25 | mwilson | wtf would an "IMAP maildir" or a "qmail maildir" be? |
| 20:46.34 | mwilson | Something is either a maildir, or it is not. |
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| 20:46.57 | Caelum | pamiller: ahh good. So, you write a procmail filter (there are tutorials on the web if you don't know how) and then just pipe your mail files into procmail |
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| 20:47.27 | Caelum | mwilson: sorry I don't know what it's called, but qmail/postfix etc. store each message in a file |
| 20:47.33 | pakal | what are the stable, testing, unstable code names? |
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| 20:47.59 | pamiller | Caelum: you mean just cat them into procmail? |
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| 20:48.05 | Caelum | pamiller: yup |
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| 20:48.28 | pamiller | Caelum: I think there would be a prettier way... |
| 20:48.37 | mjk64 | !tell Caelum -about releases |
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| 20:49.27 | marska | Howdy.. I'm trying to install Debian via floppy but the documentation found on the Debian website doesn't help.. Any direct resources? |
| 20:49.30 | Caelum | pamiller: not really, that's as pretty as it gets. Procmail is designed to deliver mail, wherever you want it to go |
| 20:49.40 | marska | (and google doesn't pull up anything relevant) |
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| 20:50.28 | Caelum | marska: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 20:50.32 | marc7 | can someone run the ! command to get dpkg to tell me what links I should check for building a custom kernel? |
| 20:50.32 | pamiller | Caelum: how will I know to delete the message if the filter decided to move it elsewhere? |
| 20:50.39 | ubuntu_ | hi !!! |
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| 20:51.36 | Caelum | pamiller: just have ALL the mail delivered somewhere, to a default spool file called INBOX when not to a different folder. Then just delete the files you processed |
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| 20:51.48 | gozz | what program can i use to watch tv with an ati card i got gatos but i dont know how ti start it? |
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| 20:52.07 | pamiller | Caelum: I think that would screw up offlineimap |
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| 20:52.49 | Jiggles | I don't have root privileges, and I want to run irssi in my local directory..and then run it. |
| 20:52.50 | ubuntu_ | i 'm with live cd here , it is possible to install one debian on my hard disk , from internet ? |
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| 20:52.57 | Caelum | gozz: xatitv |
| 20:53.01 | Jiggles | I did ./configure and make....but I am not sure of the options to make install |
| 20:53.04 | Caelum | gozz: make sure you installed gatos properly |
| 20:53.06 | Jiggles | So I can have it in my local directory. |
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| 20:53.43 | mwilson | ubuntu_: Uh, the installation guide exists for a reason, you know. |
| 20:53.45 | Caelum | pamiller: can you configure offline imap to deliver through procmail? if so, that would be easier |
| 20:54.09 | gozz | i installed gatos with apt-get so i assume its correct |
| 20:54.22 | mwilson | Hm, someone with the power needs to update the 'ig' factoid. |
| 20:54.27 | Caelum | pamiller: it might be able to use a .forward file with a pipe to procmail |
| 20:54.31 | mwilson | !ig |
| 20:54.31 | dpkg | well, ig is the install guide for stable: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for woody (oldstable): http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual |
| 20:54.32 | pamiller | Caelum: well, it needs to synchronize the maildir |
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| 20:55.03 | Caelum | pamiller: you should look into whether you can use a procmail filter on the server side |
| 20:55.13 | aurax | hay, can anyone guide me how to add user that would be able to access ftp only and no ssh? |
| 20:55.23 | aurax | i dont want it to be have a shell account |
| 20:55.30 | aurax | have* |
| 20:55.32 | Caelum | gozz: now read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/gatos/README.Debian |
| 20:55.49 | Caelum | aurax: change the login shell to /bin/false |
| 20:56.10 | streuner | !factinfo ig |
| 20:56.11 | dpkg | ig -- last modified 3d 21h 53m 7s ago by stew!n=stew@216.254.118.172; it has been requested 12 times, last by mwilson, 1m 39s ago. |
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| 20:57.24 | pamiller | Caelum: nope... that's the problem. The server has a 50MB size limit and I need to be able to filter the messages locally, but still share some of them over imap |
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| 20:57.37 | germangardener10 | hey any idaeas on : |
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| 20:57.56 | germangardener10 | i've had mplayer and mplay working with sound and video before, but i re installed my system and i can't figure out what i did before to get sound working. i can play sound with xmms but mplay nad mplayer are not working |
| 20:58.01 | germangardener10 | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 20:58.02 | germangardener10 | [AO ESD] esd_open_sound failed: No such file or directory |
| 20:58.02 | germangardener10 | AO: [null] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bps) |
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| 20:59.50 | Caelum | pamiller: how do you know which messages you want to keep in IMAP? and does offline IMAP mirror the changes you make back to the imap server? |
| 21:00.49 | pamiller | Caelum: whatever I leave in the offline imap inbox should be leave on the imap server... yes, it synchronizes both ways |
| 21:00.53 | Caelum | pamiller: you could run procmail to another maildir, then move the spools you want to keep to the offlineimap folder (like a smaller INBOX) and resync |
| 21:01.30 | Caelum | pamiller: you'll never get dupes that way |
| 21:02.07 | pamiller | Caelum: the message filenames need to be the same... I doubt they would be using procmail |
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| 21:02.48 | Caelum | pamiller: how many IMAP folders do you have on the server? |
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| 21:03.04 | Caelum | pamiller: if you get your procmail filter right, they will be |
| 21:03.16 | pamiller | Caelum: typical folders... inbox, drafts, trash, etc |
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| 21:03.57 | pamiller | Caelum: how would procmail even know what the filename should be if the messages are piped in?? |
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| 21:04.13 | Caelum | pamiller: well, then you only need to do procmail < ~/offlimap/INBOX; cp ~/Mail/INBOX ~/offlimap; resync imap |
| 21:04.34 | Caelum | INBOX is the only file you're interested in if you're not doing server side filtering |
| 21:04.56 | Caelum | pamiller: you should definitely read a procmail tutorial, and man procmailex |
| 21:05.16 | hans0lo | if I'm on "testing" is that sarge or sketch? |
| 21:06.19 | pamiller | Caelum: I'll give it a try |
| 21:06.25 | pamiller | Caelum: thanks |
| 21:06.33 | Caelum | np |
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| 21:10.19 | Frem | I'm getting a really bad framerate in wine, and I keep getting this error about "XFree86-DRI missing on display 0.0". Is XFree-DRI some sort of accelleration module? |
| 21:11.10 | Jacobo221 | Frem: yes, 3d |
| 21:11.27 | Frem | What about 2d? |
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| 21:12.44 | Jacobo221 | I have only one of my speakers playing sound though they both work (i have already tested them). i suspect y have my system set to use them as mono. how can I set debian back to stereo? I'm using ALSA |
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| 21:13.03 | dah4m5ter | hey guys, i'm having problems installing debian |
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| 21:13.19 | dah4m5ter | (i'm new to linux systems) |
| 21:13.24 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
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| 21:13.50 | grendal_prime | ok im missing serveral packages that i need to feel as though im doing something illegal...primarily acidrip |
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| 21:14.43 | terrencevak | Sorry to all for disappearing. I'd gotten so caught up in working on this distro that my phone rang and my ride showed up before I had a chance to log off. |
| 21:14.51 | dah4m5ter | it does boot from the cd, i can select language, country, keyboard layout. cdrom drive is detected, but when trying to load installer components from cd, an error occurs :/ |
| 21:15.30 | dah4m5ter | some help anyone? |
| 21:16.17 | hans0lo | dah4m5ter: corrupt CD image? |
| 21:16.32 | dah4m5ter | no, don't think so |
| 21:16.34 | hans0lo | dah4m5ter: you check MD5sums? |
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| 21:16.52 | bucky | it's not recognizing your hd controller.. i gues |
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| 21:16.53 | dah4m5ter | i have dowloaded the image longer ago, but deleted it by accident |
| 21:17.05 | dah4m5ter | this image caused the same errors already |
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| 21:17.19 | Caelum | Frem: DRI makes 2d faster too |
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| 21:17.28 | dah4m5ter | and it worked on my other computer, though i didn't finish the installation |
| 21:17.47 | Caelum | Frem: make sure you have the dri kernel modules, your agpgart driver, etc. |
| 21:17.54 | hans0lo | dah4m5ter: whats the speed of the PC you are installing to? |
| 21:18.04 | grendal_prime | what is the working sourcelist entry i need for milliart |
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| 21:18.10 | dah4m5ter | 300mhz, pentium 2 |
| 21:18.14 | dah4m5ter | laptop |
| 21:18.22 | dah4m5ter | 64mb ram |
| 21:18.31 | CosmoDad | I have a weird problem: as any non-root user, I cannot write any file, even a simple echo 0 > ~/foo doesn't work (the file will be created empty). The permissions for $HOME are correct. can anyone help? |
| 21:18.40 | hans0lo | dah4m5ter: try this at boot prompt: linux idebus=33 |
| 21:18.57 | grendal_prime | what permissions does the user have |
| 21:19.02 | grendal_prime | bin/bash? |
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| 21:19.17 | afernandez | holas |
| 21:19.24 | CosmoDad | grendal_prime: you mean the perms of the bash binary? |
| 21:19.31 | grendal_prime | i mean...shell type for the user i would check...and i would word it exactly like that if i were yoda |
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| 21:19.38 | grendal_prime | ya thats what i ment |
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| 21:20.18 | Wimpie | i have problems with skype since I upgraded from libqt3c102 to libqt3. |
| 21:20.26 | _ubuntu_ | dah4m5ter: yes if u have time |
| 21:20.31 | CosmoDad | grendal_prime: well actually I can spawn a shell as I can login on console, bash's perm is -rwxr-xr-x |
| 21:20.45 | Wimpie | The skype package depends on c102 and makes apt-get fail any upgrade of other packages |
| 21:21.00 | Wimpie | HOw can I tell apt-get to ignore any problems with skype ? |
| 21:21.35 | priest | Wimpie, try install the "dynamic binary" or "static binary" from skype.com. |
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| 21:21.49 | terrencevak | seb: You'd asked me what I wanted to achieve with a reboot. I'm trying to get the new kernel to boot at start-up so I'll be using debian instead of this old oralux. |
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| 21:22.11 | stew | Wimpie: change the contol file in the deb to point to the newer qt |
| 21:22.17 | Seb | terrencevak: so you mean you want to boot a different partition, rather than simply a different kernel |
| 21:22.24 | CosmoDad | grendal_prime: anything else I could try? |
| 21:22.28 | Thanatermesis | I have 31% of RAM occuped with XFree86 running, (64 Mb ram laptop), any person knows a way for liberate better the memory ? using fbdev, vesa.. etc changes any thing ? |
| 21:22.42 | terrencevak | seb: Both, basically. |
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| 21:22.54 | Wimpie | priest : I would like to use the deb package of skype (less fuzz ... generally) |
| 21:23.12 | grendal_prime | well CosmoDad basically what you are describing i have had a problem whith if the user does not have any shell...privilages...ive just seen that a few times...i set the user with bin/bash via the little app in kde..and then it works |
| 21:23.12 | marska | Howdy.. I'm installing Debian Linux from scratch on my laptop using Floppy images; I'm accessing aptitude but am unsure which packages to install to make a full usable installation |
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| 21:23.20 | afernandez | hi, i have a dot matrix printer (epson lx810), I configure it, but when I print only print the left middle, the rest left in blanc, how i can fix it |
| 21:23.21 | Wimpie | stew : which newer qt ? I refer to unstable in sources.list so I presume I have the latests and that is just the problem |
| 21:23.26 | Seb | terrencevak: why not boot rescue boot from a debian cd, and pass it root=/dev/thenewone ? |
| 21:23.28 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: there's nothing wrong with that |
| 21:23.31 | Seb | terrencevak: then work from there to run lilo |
| 21:23.34 | Wimpie | skype refers as deb package to the older c102 version |
| 21:23.40 | CosmoDad | grendal_prime: what little app are you talking about? |
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| 21:23.52 | grendal_prime | im sure you could set it via console...i just havent done it in a long time |
| 21:24.02 | grendal_prime | its in kde suite kuser i believe |
| 21:24.06 | stew | Wimpie: yes, the c102 doesn't exist in unstable. if skype works fine with the non c102 version, change the control file in the deb to make it depend on the newer qt |
| 21:24.06 | dah4m5ter | trying idebus=33 .... same error occured |
| 21:24.09 | marska | Afernandez: Those work with modern office enviroments? Was considering getting one.. |
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| 21:24.17 | marska | Howdy.. I'm installing Debian Linux from scratch on my laptop using Floppy images; I'm accessing aptitude but am unsure which packages to install to make a full usable installation |
| 21:24.19 | Thanatermesis | abrotman: and you knows a way for not use this level of ram ? |
| 21:24.33 | terrencevak | seb: Unless I'd be able to go ahead and just run the debian off of the old system, just doing chroot each time?... I don't have a rescue cd; how would I make/get that? |
| 21:24.42 | Wimpie | stew : Ah you mean unpack the skype deb change the control repackage and reinstall ? |
| 21:24.45 | wireddd | Thanatermesis, stay in the console.... |
| 21:24.48 | stew | Wimpie: yes |
| 21:24.53 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: don't use X ? |
| 21:24.56 | Seb | terrencevak: you could use tom's root and boot, it's really small |
| 21:24.57 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: what window manager ? |
| 21:25.23 | Seb | terrencevak: or yeah, you could mount your new Debian partition from the old system, and chroot into that |
| 21:25.24 | afernandez | marska, my printer?? it's old but works with all windows but i have problems to install correctly in debian :/ |
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| 21:26.12 | dah4m5ter | hans0lo: idebus=33 didn't change anything as far as i can see |
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| 21:26.15 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: what window manager ? |
| 21:26.44 | CosmoDad | grendal_prime: well shell is set as /etc/passwd and kuser tell me |
| 21:26.55 | marska | Afernandez: I'm just tired of crappy inkjet.. Was considering getting a dot matrix but wasn't sure if they would work correctly |
| 21:27.00 | Thanatermesis | wireddd: yes! i like the console... but i need to are in X, im coding a program for launch in X and I need to test after another of the interface... |
| 21:27.02 | hans0lo | dah4m5ter: can you toggle to another tty? (CTRL-ALT-F1 or F2) |
| 21:27.10 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: what window manager ? |
| 21:27.12 | Thanatermesis | abrotman: enlightenment 16.7 |
| 21:27.20 | Thanatermesis | sorry for the lag :) |
| 21:27.26 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: well no fucking shit it uses 30MB ... try something .. normal |
| 21:27.33 | mwilson | I love people who mention the IDEBUS kernel parameter like they have any sort of idea what it actually does. |
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| 21:27.43 | terrencevak | seb: That might be useful, actually; I'd still have the accessibility stuff on here in case something went screwy. |
| 21:27.43 | afernandez | marska, it print perfect only the middle left of the every page :S |
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| 21:28.04 | js_ | mwilson: what does it do? |
| 21:28.13 | mwilson | dah4m5ter: I don't suppose anyone gets to know what the actual error you get is? |
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| 21:28.58 | mwilson | js_: Controls the PCI bus speed timing for IDE PIO modes. |
| 21:29.07 | js_ | mwilson: ah, ok |
| 21:29.07 | afernandez | marska, i was thinking, i need to configure the margins manually but i don't know where are there |
| 21:29.09 | Frenchwood | I have a dual boot issue with lilo and XP... anyone had similar issues? |
| 21:29.15 | dah4m5ter | mwilson: i don't know it clearly myself :/ |
| 21:29.18 | mwilson | js_: Has zero to do with controlling DMA mode, which is what most cluebies somehow decide it does. |
| 21:29.19 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: try blackbox |
| 21:29.32 | dah4m5ter | shall i start another boot in expert mode? |
| 21:29.37 | mwilson | dah4m5ter: Really. And how can you not know it, since you claim to be seeing it? |
| 21:29.39 | js_ | mwilson: i see |
| 21:29.50 | hans0lo | how do I force a package to recognize a later version of it's dependancies? |
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| 21:30.01 | mwilson | hans0lo: You don't, of course. |
| 21:30.01 | dah4m5ter | it says some files cannot be loaded from the cd |
| 21:30.05 | LT4life | hello all |
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| 21:30.10 | black_Nightmare | hey there |
| 21:30.12 | dah4m5ter | that's all i know so far |
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| 21:30.26 | hans0lo | dah4m5ter: try burning it at 1x speed |
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| 21:30.31 | dah4m5ter | expert will tell more, mom |
| 21:30.40 | Thanatermesis | abrotman: yes, aparently not is the WM... all persons has 30 mb ocuped for the xfree... exist a WM in framebuffer ? :D |
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| 21:30.54 | mwilson | dah4m5ter: It won't, but knock yourself out. |
| 21:31.06 | LT4life | i made a mistake and deleted the my.cnf file in /etc/mysql...but now i am trying to completely remove mysql, and reinstall it, but when i do it does not install the my.cnf file...what do i do?' |
| 21:31.11 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: yes .. but E is big .. use some thing smaller .. give yourself more ram to work with |
| 21:31.25 | abrotman | and then you won't care that it's using 30% of 64MB |
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| 21:31.51 | Thanatermesis | abrotman: e16 consumes only 8 mb of ram |
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| 21:31.56 | abrotman | bull |
| 21:32.08 | Thanatermesis | if im use it or ion2, all is for 30 mb of ram :/ |
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| 21:32.16 | abrotman | then stop whining |
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| 21:32.24 | Wimpie | stew : thanx ... worked like a charm |
| 21:32.32 | dah4m5ter | hans0lo: afaik burning it 1x speed didn't make a change |
| 21:32.48 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, not exist a WM in FB with launch x11 aplications, no ? :) |
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| 21:33.02 | mwilson | dah4m5ter: As far as you know? Either it did, or it didn't. Which? |
| 21:33.10 | terrencevak | OK, all, I'm gonna go to sleep for a while while this thing downloads gnome, since I'm going to try without the kernel reboot. |
| 21:33.15 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: if you want X .. it's 30MB .. minimum .. get over it |
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| 21:33.30 | mwilson | dah4m5ter: I also note that despite being asked, you didn't check the MD5 of the image. |
| 21:33.38 | Thanatermesis | ok abrotman |
| 21:33.51 | LT4life | i have tried 'apt-get install mysql-common mysql-server mysql-client' but i can't get the my.cnf file....i thought apt-get would reinstall everything i removed |
| 21:34.04 | klemzi | does somebody know if 0000:00:1f.2 RAID bus controller: Intel Corp. 6300ESB SATA RAID Controller (rev 02) is supported in some kernel ? |
| 21:34.19 | grendal_prime | i found the problem with my aptsource list..in case anyone cares...there is no testing at deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ its etch instead |
| 21:34.23 | grendal_prime | wich makes sense i guess |
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| 21:34.38 | wireddd | grendal_prime, yeah |
| 21:34.42 | marc7 | has anybody here bothered trying to patch a kernel-source tree with grsecurity? |
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| 21:35.06 | grendal_prime | well GODDAMIN wireddd someone should tell us these things.... |
| 21:35.17 | grendal_prime | sorry..that was supposed to be.... |
| 21:35.22 | abrotman | grendal_prime: we all knew that :) |
| 21:35.26 | wireddd | it says it on the website for the ftp site |
| 21:35.31 | grendal_prime | well GODDAMNIT wireddd someone should tell us these things.... |
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| 21:35.45 | Squeeb | Is there any way of forcing apt-get to re-scan all the installed packages? |
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| 21:35.48 | abrotman | grendal_prime: it tells you |
| 21:35.49 | Squeeb | It seems to think it wants to remove initrd-tools for anything |
| 21:35.55 | grendal_prime | im just teasing |
| 21:35.56 | Squeeb | and some other important stuff |
| 21:35.59 | Squeeb | and then install some irrelevant stuff that's already installed. |
| 21:36.05 | abrotman | Squeeb: what are you trying to install ? |
| 21:36.07 | mwilson | grendal_prime: Uh, yeah, that's why Marillat's page tells you that. |
| 21:36.10 | Squeeb | well .. it does it with anything |
| 21:36.19 | Squeeb | Even if I apt-get install a package that's already installed. |
| 21:36.21 | grendal_prime | you know me im two damn lazy to look at a fkn website...its usually a waist of time... |
| 21:36.27 | orehon | someone can help me ... how i can install bootsplah on debian? |
| 21:36.30 | Squeeb | Instead of saying "package is already up to date" it just goes "aah .. let's bin everything" |
| 21:36.43 | grendal_prime | what the hell sort of relivent information would any person put on a website??? |
| 21:37.15 | Squeeb | I mean |
| 21:37.15 | Squeeb | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 21:37.16 | Squeeb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:37.20 | Squeeb | It really shouldn't be doing that :/ |
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| 21:37.45 | Squeeb | or has something recent happened with the sources? |
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| 21:37.51 | Squeeb | I'm using the old 3.1 Debian |
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| 21:38.09 | Squeeb | I'm using the testing sources.. which is the ones I've always used. |
| 21:38.09 | grendal_prime | i mean christ o mighty next thing you know you will be telling me hurricans destroyed the souther coast!! |
| 21:38.14 | pakal | what are the stable, testing, unstable code names? |
| 21:38.26 | dah4m5ter | mwilson: could you please tell me a tool to find out the md5sum under windows? don't have a linux system (yet)... |
| 21:38.29 | wireddd | grendal_prime, well for one they have a page that tells you what the correct spelling of relevant is. |
| 21:38.30 | RichiH | pakal: sarge, etch, sid |
| 21:38.38 | pakal | RichiH: thanks |
| 21:38.51 | jelly | Squeeb: if you told it to remove kernel-image*, and initrd-tools has been automatically installed, then removing the last kernel-image* will clean up the unneeded dependencies too. |
| 21:39.26 | Squeeb | this is the thing |
| 21:39.27 | grendal_prime | wireddd, hehehe im sorry all input is via speach recog and it sometimes errors |
| 21:39.32 | Squeeb | I'm not telling it to remove the kernel image. |
| 21:39.38 | Squeeb | I'm telling it to install something as simple as gaim |
| 21:39.39 | Squeeb | or xchat |
| 21:39.40 | jelly | Squeeb: just tell aptitude that you want initrd-tools installed: aptitude install initrd-tools |
| 21:39.41 | Squeeb | or anything |
| 21:39.43 | marc7 | I'm trying to compile a 2.6.11.12 kernel with grsecurity support. does anybody have any suggestions on how I can do this with the debian package management system? |
| 21:39.44 | jelly | Squeeb: oh |
| 21:39.54 | Squeeb | aptitude is equally as confused. |
| 21:39.59 | grendal_prime | i use that when the direct brain biofeedback is down...wich it is...well not really down so to speak as i just dont want to plug it in |
| 21:39.59 | dah4m5ter | hang on, think i've fond one |
| 21:40.02 | wireddd | what are you using for speech recogn. |
| 21:40.06 | marc7 | because it doesn't look like a source image has been made for 2.6.11.12, and grsec is kind of looking for it. |
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| 21:40.17 | Oceanborn | I can't set up archive access to apt to local dir. It's asking that can't find /mirrors/debian/dists/stable, but I have only unstable and need to use it. What is wrong? |
| 21:40.25 | grendal_prime | because wireddd you would never guess where i have to plug that thing in! |
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| 21:40.36 | Squeeb | Oh .. My .. Fucking ... god.. Something very bad just happened. |
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| 21:40.50 | HYPOKRIT | oh yeah... WHAT |
| 21:41.11 | Squeeb | http://www.shugboria.co.uk/~squeeb/wtf.txt |
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| 21:41.42 | beardy | Squeeb: You didn't make it to the bathroom in time? |
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| 21:41.54 | jelly | Squeeb: then it's some other package version discrepancy in testing, aptitude tries to be smart and upgrade some things but the versions conflict and it has to remove some other things to resolve he conflict. That' s testing for you. |
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| 21:42.28 | Squeeb | I still don't understand why it doesn't know something's already installed |
| 21:42.34 | Squeeb | What tells apt that a package exists? |
| 21:42.38 | Squeeb | and why can't it see that? |
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| 21:42.51 | wireddd | its trying to upgrade them |
| 21:42.59 | wireddd | not reinstall them |
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| 21:43.22 | Squeeb | then why would it remove essential items such as initrd-tools |
| 21:43.28 | Squeeb | and then not replace them with a better version? |
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| 21:43.32 | jelly | Squeeb: if you want new xchat, just do ... install xchat, not ... upgrade xchat, that's the same as upgrade I think |
| 21:43.33 | Squeeb | it's just removing them for no reason |
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| 21:43.51 | Squeeb | I am doing install xchat.. that upgrade command was just an example of how buggered it is :/ |
| 21:43.59 | wireddd | it doesn't say its going to remove anything in that link you pasted |
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| 21:44.08 | mwilson | Squeeb: "apt-get upgrade xchat" is a nonsense statement. |
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| 21:44.33 | mwilson | Squeeb: If you make up command lines at random, you shouldn't be surprised when the tools don't do what you want them to do. |
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| 21:44.55 | jelly | mwilson: it is nonsense but I don't see apt-get complaining. |
| 21:44.56 | wireddd | mwilson, lol I overlooked that |
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| 21:45.12 | Squeeb | http://www.shugboria.co.uk/~squeeb/wtf2.txt |
| 21:45.26 | mwilson | jelly: Of course not... it saw "upgrade" and the rest of the line is irrelevant. |
| 21:45.26 | Squeeb | that's the major problem. |
| 21:45.27 | Squeeb | o ffs |
| 21:45.28 | Squeeb | brb |
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| 21:45.34 | azeem | Squeeb: 404 |
| 21:45.36 | Squeeb | try again |
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| 21:45.47 | mwilson | Squeeb: No, the major problem is that you provided a nonsense command line, and it's doing the best it can with what it got. |
| 21:45.48 | Squeeb | Bluntly pasted into vim |
| 21:46.00 | Squeeb | mwilson: take a look at the link. |
| 21:46.07 | Squeeb | that's just a simple install |
| 21:46.12 | mwilson | Squeeb: If all you want to do is upgrade xchat, whyinhell are you telling it to upgrade the entire box? |
| 21:46.13 | azeem | Squeeb: what does apt-get upgrade say? What does apt-get -f install say? |
| 21:46.32 | Squeeb | mwilson: I'm NOT trying to upgrade the box. |
| 21:46.41 | dah4m5ter | ok, md5sum of the iso IS right |
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| 21:46.48 | azeem | Squeeb: you have some broken dependencies on your box, apt-get is trying to resolve them as it is offended by them |
| 21:46.58 | Squeeb | # apt-get -f install |
| 21:46.58 | Squeeb | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 21:46.58 | Squeeb | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 21:46.58 | Squeeb | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 751 not upgraded. |
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| 21:47.00 | azeem | Squeeb: you could put the respective packages on hold if you don't like that, I guess |
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| 21:47.02 | jelly | mwilson: it would be better if apt barfed. I typ(o)ed the same thing quite a few times. |
| 21:47.04 | hadiz | Which file is it in which I can specify the different resolutions to use besides 800x600? |
| 21:47.06 | Squeeb | woops |
| 21:47.12 | hadiz | in X |
| 21:47.18 | resiak | !drxx hadiz |
| 21:47.19 | dpkg | hadiz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:47.29 | mwilson | jelly: Then don't use low-level *demonstration* tools like apt-get. |
| 21:47.42 | Squeeb | demonstration tools? |
| 21:47.44 | jelly | mwilson: what do you mean, "demonstration"? |
| 21:47.45 | mwilson | Squeeb: You've been mixing packages from both testing and unstable? |
| 21:47.53 | Squeeb | mwilson: erm .. :X |
| 21:48.00 | Squeeb | *might have * |
| 21:48.01 | Squeeb | :P |
| 21:48.03 | mwilson | jelly: apt-get was written as a demonstration of libapt. That's all. |
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| 21:48.18 | mwilson | jelly: It assumes a level of intelligence on the part of the user. |
| 21:48.24 | fido | ? |
| 21:48.24 | Squeeb | mwilson: then what's the suggested package manager? |
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| 21:48.57 | jelly | mwilson: Well it was the only one available for some time, wasn't it? |
| 21:49.01 | mwilson | Squeeb: I'm sorry you think deliberately breaking your box is funny. Now you see why it's a very bad idea to do what you've done if you don't know what you're doing. |
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| 21:49.04 | mwilson | jelly: Hardly. |
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| 21:49.41 | hispafuentes | alguna putita? |
| 21:49.46 | hispafuentes | con ganas de rabo? |
| 21:49.58 | Squeeb | mwilson: I've been using the testing sources solidly |
| 21:49.59 | jelly | mwilson: and be it low-level or not, that's no reason not to complain about extraneous arguments in the command line. |
| 21:50.03 | Squeeb | there. |
| 21:50.15 | Squeeb | there's nothing deliberate about this. |
| 21:50.19 | jelly | mwilson: I'll just file a bug. |
| 21:50.26 | Squeeb | And this is really a case of "it used to work .. and now it doesn't" |
| 21:50.27 | mwilson | jelly: Feel free to submit a patch. |
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| 21:50.59 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Really? Back up your asseretion that apt-get is a "demonstation" tool, please. |
| 21:51.04 | fido | a long time without IRC... |
| 21:51.30 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: No need. Google it if you like, disbelieve me if you like. Makes no difference to me. |
| 21:51.36 | Squeeb | now, is there a "Proper" way of resolving this apt issue or am I looking at a problem so big that it requires a complete rebuild of the OS? |
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| 21:52.35 | mwilson | Squeeb: Probably the easiest way is to move the box completely to unstable instead of the mishmash you have now, but I'm not going to help you do that. |
| 21:52.38 | jelly | Squeeb: I've seen a similar problem and worked around by holding a package until testing got better. |
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| 21:52.43 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: So you can't link to any infomation, eh? |
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| 21:52.53 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I'm not going to Google for you, no. |
| 21:52.55 | samael | Hi all. I just preformed an apt-get dist-upgrade (on unstable), and apt-get wants to remove hotplug! There doesnt appear to be a replacement.... Is there a place where I can find out what going on with packages, and what their replacements might be (if any) ? |
| 21:52.57 | Lilldude_ | is epson all in one easier than hp all in one to set up? |
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| 21:53.28 | Morti | I've had quite an odd thought. What happens if I install an Ubuntu base system, change the apt sources and basically install a Debian base system from it? I know Ubuntu != Debian, but can one become the other? This is because neither of the Sarge stock kernels work on my laptop but the Ubuntu kernel does. |
| 21:53.58 | Squeeb | mwilson: I wouldn't think of asking for help in a complete install, however I would appreciate any help regarding the procedure. |
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| 21:54.07 | hans0lo | Lilldude_: last time I checked epson allinones drivers werent avaliable |
| 21:54.07 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 21:54.07 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 21:54.22 | Squeeb | What I'm getting at is does "move the box completely to unstable" mean starting again, from scratch |
| 21:54.24 | mwilson | Squeeb: I don't help people move to unstable. Personal preference. |
| 21:54.28 | Squeeb | or is there a way to salvage what I've got. |
| 21:54.44 | Squeeb | Then just help me move to a stable dist then. |
| 21:54.47 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Odd then that this "fact" of yours is never mentioned in *any* of the Debian docs which talk about using apt-get. In particular the install docs. |
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| 21:55.09 | Morti | Nobody knows, then? ;) |
| 21:55.19 | abrotman | Squeeb: which version of debian are you using ? |
| 21:55.25 | Squeeb | 3.1 |
| 21:55.25 | resiak | Morti: It wouldn't be supported, for _sure_ |
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| 21:55.32 | abrotman | Squeeb: better yet .. can you paste your sources somewhere |
| 21:55.38 | Squeeb | sure. |
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| 21:55.48 | jelly | Squeeb: um, didn't you say testing? |
| 21:55.50 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: <shrug> Search d-u and d-d, I'm sure you'll find it. Like I said, I have no need to prove it to you. |
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| 21:55.52 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: It would seem to be that logically you are in the position of someone who claims that the Earth is flat. In other words the burden of proof should be on you. |
| 21:55.56 | Kejk_PL | hi, how can I tune getty/login to do not change console font? console-screen.sh is setting correct console font at boot time, but after init processes getty's are running and changing console font :/ |
| 21:56.16 | Morti | resiak: I don't necessarily expect it to be supported. Mostly I want to see what happens, if a usable system comes out of it then great. |
| 21:56.18 | Squeeb | jelly: .. I'm modifying my questions so that mwilson's "personal" preferences avoid opinionated bilge. |
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| 21:56.24 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Ahh. So you feel that it is logical for you to make statements that contradict the established docs and then refuse to back it up? |
| 21:56.39 | resiak | Morti: A better way to do it would be to apply debootstrap and install a kernel from Testing or Unstable while chrooted into it, or roll your own nice new kernel in there. |
| 21:56.52 | resiak | Morti: Hell, you could even use the Ubuntu kernel's .config |
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| 21:56.58 | Lilldude_ | thanks hans |
| 21:57.00 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: If the "established" docs contradicted me, you'd have a point. Since the installation guide says to use aptitude, well... |
| 21:57.03 | Squeeb | http://www.shugboria.co.uk/~squeeb/source.txt |
| 21:57.04 | Morti | That's true. I might try that next. |
| 21:57.06 | Squeeb | abrotman: & |
| 21:57.08 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: There is *not* word on in any of the Debian docs about apt-get being a "demonstration" code. |
| 21:57.08 | Morti | Cheers resiak. |
| 21:57.13 | Squeeb | fs |
| 21:57.14 | abrotman | Squeeb: not found |
| 21:57.16 | Squeeb | did it again ;) |
| 21:57.22 | Morti | I will see what happens for the time being with this thing though, there's nothing important on this laptop yet. ;) |
| 21:57.22 | Squeeb | http://www.shugboria.co.uk/~squeeb/sources.txt |
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| 21:57.26 | abrotman | Squeeb: that's not 3.1 |
| 21:57.35 | jelly | Squeeb: no, really, if you ran 3.1 your symptoms might really mean a bad breakage, and OTOH I've seen things like this on testing fairly often. |
| 21:57.36 | Squeeb | how can you tell? |
| 21:57.44 | Squeeb | I see. |
| 21:57.44 | abrotman | you're using testing .. testing isn't 3.1 |
| 21:57.52 | Squeeb | Hmm. |
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| 21:57.56 | Squeeb | Never really looked to be honest. |
| 21:58.00 | abrotman | Squeeb: i would not install gaim for a few days |
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| 21:58.02 | Kejk_PL | the console font is changing after getty running - just when login promt is showing |
| 21:58.05 | Squeeb | the thing is.. I've been running testing for *long* time. |
| 21:58.12 | abrotman | Squeeb: or complete the dist-upgrade |
| 21:58.20 | talisein | Hi. I just rebooted and evms can't find my RAID-1. evmsgui can't seem to commit any changes to activate it. Any pointers? |
| 21:58.35 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch07s02.html.en#configure-apt # What? |
| 21:58.36 | Squeeb | abrotman: so a complete apt-get upgrade then ? |
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| 21:58.56 | Squeeb | and would it be an idea to change to stable in the sources.list? |
| 21:59.01 | abrotman | Squeeb: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 21:59.07 | abrotman | Squeeb: you can't .. you're on etch now .. |
| 21:59.12 | Squeeb | bugger |
| 21:59.17 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Odd that aptitude whould depend on demonstation code. Isn't it? |
| 21:59.18 | Squeeb | looks like i'm starting from scratch then :) |
| 21:59.25 | abrotman | Squeeb: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 21:59.30 | Squeeb | yea, saw that |
| 21:59.32 | abrotman | Squeeb: and see what it wants to do |
| 21:59.40 | Squeeb | ok |
| 21:59.49 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: libapt is hardly demonstration code. |
| 21:59.56 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Read that link. |
| 22:00.01 | bucky | Squeeb, what did you do to your sources.list ? |
| 22:00.17 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Better yet I'll paste it for you. Other front-ends for package management, like aptitude, synaptic and the older dselect also use and depend on apt-get. |
| 22:00.22 | magyar | abrotman, how do i see my details in irc, like hostname (connected from)? |
| 22:00.23 | Squeeb | bucky: nothing? |
| 22:00.35 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Not word *one* about libapt and apt-get *clearly* mentioned. |
| 22:00.42 | bucky | Squeeb, nothing and now it wants to upgrade 715 packages? |
| 22:00.45 | mwilson | rei $ strings `which aptitude` | grep "apt-get" |
| 22:00.46 | abrotman | magyar: /whois |
| 22:00.49 | jelly | scarynetworkguy: and, sure seems lots of other folks are running the demonstrational apt-get program. <g> |
| 22:00.51 | Squeeb | bucky: exactly. |
| 22:00.54 | abrotman | Squeeb: what does it say ? |
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| 22:01.00 | mwilson | Yes, aptitude *certainly* calls and parses apt-get rather than using libapt. |
| 22:01.02 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Also noitce the sentance right before that one. |
| 22:01.04 | scarynetworkguy | jelly: Read that link. |
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| 22:01.07 | magyar | thanks abrotman |
| 22:01.18 | bucky | Squeeb, you did something.. did you play with dselect? |
| 22:01.19 | Squeeb | abrotman: gimme a second, proxy's just died. |
| 22:01.22 | scarynetworkguy | ' |
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| 22:01.24 | Squeeb | bucky: yes :( |
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| 22:01.38 | abrotman | bucky: you say that like it's a bad thing :) |
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| 22:01.47 | Squeeb | 746 upgraded, 120 newly installed, 14 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 22:01.48 | bucky | haha sorry |
| 22:01.50 | Squeeb | errrm .. eek? |
| 22:02.18 | bucky | Squeeb, what version of debian did you install in the first place? |
| 22:02.22 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: So now. Put up or shut the fuck up. |
| 22:02.28 | Morti | Ah, never mind, it went a bit funny. Not because of apt, because I couldn't (read, couldn't be bothered to) get the nwtwork working. |
| 22:02.29 | Squeeb | bucky: testing |
| 22:02.36 | Squeeb | I was "advised" to use the testing distribution |
| 22:02.37 | jelly | scarynetworkguy: oh, you missed the sarcasm. |
| 22:02.43 | azeem | scarynetworkguy: he's right apt-get was never intended to be the solution to world hunger |
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| 22:02.50 | abrotman | Squeeb: what does it say? |
| 22:02.51 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I stopped a long time ago. |
| 22:02.54 | Morti | The installer said it had sorted it out then didn't, presumably because I went for a server install and it missed out some wireless tools or something. |
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| 22:03.00 | Morti | So I like the debootstrap idea. |
| 22:03.01 | Squeeb | abrotman: alot.. I'll bung it into a txt |
| 22:03.06 | abrotman | ok |
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| 22:03.07 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Because you lost? |
| 22:03.08 | azeem | scarynetworkguy: but it's widely deployed now, so we need to support it |
| 22:03.23 | azeem | but Sarge recommends using aptitude for upgrades e.g., AFAIK |
| 22:03.39 | Squeeb | http://www.shugboria.co.uk/~squeeb/lots.txt |
| 22:03.43 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Because I don't care. You are as capable of looking at what aptitude actually does as I am. Perhaps more so. |
| 22:03.47 | scarynetworkguy | azeem: Did you bother to *read* the doc I linked to. It *clearly* establishes apt-get as the basises of the entire package mangement system. |
| 22:03.50 | jelly | is there a way to do "apt-cache policy" with aptitude? |
| 22:03.57 | azeem | scarynetworkguy: it's APT, not apt-get |
| 22:03.59 | LT4life | how do i extract files from inside a .deb file? |
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| 22:04.26 | abrotman | Squeeb: i guess you should do it |
| 22:04.30 | Squeeb | abrotman: yea :/ |
| 22:04.33 | Squeeb | well |
| 22:04.37 | scarynetworkguy | azeem: So you have me think that the people who wrote the install doc thought "APT" and typed "apt-get"? |
| 22:04.42 | jelly | azeem: uh, the release docs seem to disagree. |
| 22:04.43 | Squeeb | I could just forget it until I absoloutly have to. |
| 22:04.46 | marc7 | what the =f*ck* |
| 22:04.52 | Squeeb | I mean .. the machine "works" |
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| 22:04.57 | azeem | scarynetworkguy: could be |
| 22:04.59 | abrotman | Squeeb: i wouldn't |
| 22:05.02 | magyar | how do i file a bug to debian-kde? |
| 22:05.10 | Squeeb | it just means I'll have to install stuff via sources |
| 22:05.17 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: No. That's not the way logic works. You are, at this point, contradicting the docs. That would put the burden of proof on you. |
| 22:05.18 | abrotman | Squeeb: it will just get worse and worse |
| 22:05.20 | azeem | yep, that looks wrong |
| 22:05.22 | Squeeb | abrotman: well it's only a home server serving a couple of websites. |
| 22:05.25 | azeem | scarynetworkguy: you could file a bug |
| 22:05.26 | scarynetworkguy | azeem: Sure.......... |
| 22:05.33 | marc7 | so there's a kernel-patch-grsecurity2 package in sarge/stable.... but there are no kernel source packages (2.4.19 and lower) that support grsecurity |
| 22:05.33 | abrotman | Squeeb: it will just get worse and worse |
| 22:05.35 | resiak | magyar: Report it against the appropriate chunk of kde with reportbug. But check the BTS first. |
| 22:05.47 | scarynetworkguy | azeem: The point is it isn't a bug. You and mwilson are wrong. |
| 22:05.50 | Squeeb | abrotman: yea :( |
| 22:05.59 | azeem | scarynetworkguy: aptitude, dselect and synaptic definetely do not depend on apt-get, but rather the APT libraries |
| 22:06.01 | Squeeb | it can only get worse if I keep playing with APT though. |
| 22:06.03 | magyar | resiak, got it |
| 22:06.06 | azeem | except for dselect, maybe |
| 22:06.06 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I read that parargraph a little bit differently than you do. Nor did anyone claim anything was a bug. |
| 22:06.09 | abrotman | ffs .. this houston/atlanta game is up to the 15th inning |
| 22:06.11 | Squeeb | if I avoid it entirely.. I can get away with it no? |
| 22:06.34 | abrotman | no |
| 22:06.37 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: How are you reading that? |
| 22:06.38 | Squeeb | why? |
| 22:06.47 | Squeeb | how will it get worse "on it's own" ? |
| 22:06.50 | abrotman | it's only a server .. it will only have security holes ... it will only mean you eventually can't install *anything* |
| 22:06.55 | marc7 | seriously, the kernel coverage in aptitude is terrible |
| 22:07.00 | dah4m5ter | argh, i was wrong, i didn't try burning the disk at 1x speed because nero doesn't let me do so -.- |
| 22:07.00 | brubru_shz | alguem pode me ajudar a atualizar o bebian |
| 22:07.00 | brubru_shz | debian |
| 22:07.09 | scarynetworkguy | azeem: That's not what the docs say. So please point to evidence that the official install docs are wrong. |
| 22:07.13 | Squeeb | abrotman: it's not that important. |
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| 22:07.30 | mwilson | marc7: "in aptitude"? What does that mean? Aptitude is just an interface to the package archive. |
| 22:07.31 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: The sentance "foo depends on bar" is not hard to parse. |
| 22:07.35 | jelly | Squeeb: what's wrong with your lots.txt (dist-upgrade) output? Only a few packages are to be removed. I'd go with it. ;-) |
| 22:07.42 | abrotman | Squeeb: then why did you ask us for help to begin with? ... i've told you what to do |
| 22:07.43 | Squeeb | lol |
| 22:07.48 | Squeeb | ONNNLY 794 :) |
| 22:07.51 | azeem | Package: aptitude |
| 22:07.54 | marc7 | okay, so the "stable" package archive doesn't make any sense |
| 22:07.54 | abrotman | JUST DO IT |
| 22:07.57 | azeem | Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.10 |
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| 22:08.00 | azeem | and not apt |
| 22:08.02 | Squeeb | abrotman: it's very likely to go wrong |
| 22:08.04 | Squeeb | isn't it? |
| 22:08.14 | abrotman | Squeeb: your system is out of date .. and noone will be able to help because all your shit is 6 months old .. just freaking do it |
| 22:08.20 | Squeeb | lol |
| 22:08.22 | jelly | Squeeb: only 12 are REMOVED. |
| 22:08.25 | Squeeb | ONLY |
| 22:08.25 | george_ | heh i just installed debian...im coming from slackware...anything i should know? |
| 22:08.25 | abrotman | who cares |
| 22:08.25 | Squeeb | :) |
| 22:08.30 | abrotman | Squeeb: JUST DO IT |
| 22:08.36 | Squeeb | fuckit.. |
| 22:08.37 | azeem | george_: www.debian.org/doc |
| 22:08.39 | Squeeb | doing it |
| 22:08.48 | jelly | that's the spirit |
| 22:08.52 | marc7 | mwilson: there's an included package to patch grsecurity against a 2.4 kernel-source tree, but not against 2.4.20 and higher.... and there's no 2.4.19 or lower kernel-source trees |
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| 22:08.55 | abrotman | Squeeb: and don't let your system go that long again |
| 22:09.02 | Squeeb | sorry mum :( |
| 22:09.07 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Remove the apt-get binary, and note that aptitude works as well as it ever does. Which isn't very well, but that's another discussion. |
| 22:09.10 | jelly | Squeeb: NOW you watch things break. ;-) |
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| 22:09.21 | bucky | Squeeb, is your mum Eleanor Rigby |
| 22:09.21 | Squeeb | I know :/ |
| 22:09.22 | notMyUserAccnt | wait....apt-get vs aptitude |
| 22:09.23 | Squeeb | if it dis it dies. |
| 22:09.27 | Squeeb | bucky: very funny. |
| 22:09.33 | notMyUserAccnt | do they perform similar functions? |
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| 22:09.35 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: You've done this? |
| 22:09.36 | Squeeb | Not that anyon's EVER used that joke before or anything :/ |
| 22:09.41 | mwilson | marc7: Ok... and? |
| 22:09.44 | magyar | don't mean to sound stupid, but....is there a tool to file bugs to debian BTS? |
| 22:09.44 | azeem | notMyUserAccnt: yes, but aptitude is a bit more clever |
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| 22:10.01 | notMyUserAccnt | azeem should i use aptitude? |
| 22:10.05 | azeem | magyar: reportbug |
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| 22:10.07 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I don't use aptitude. |
| 22:10.11 | talisein | Hi. I just rebooted and evms can't find my RAID-1. evmsgui can't seem to commit any changes to activate it. Any pointers? |
| 22:10.16 | notMyUserAccnt | i used the netinstall and it did all apt-get stuff |
| 22:10.20 | azeem | notMyUserAccnt: you can use aptitude in the same way as apt-get on the command-line |
| 22:10.29 | Squeeb | Is Sarge the testing release? |
| 22:10.30 | marc7 | mwilson: i don't understand why it's even worthwhile looking to the package archive. anyway... i've gone back to vanilla-sources |
| 22:10.30 | magyar | azeem, ahhh, thaaaaaaaaks |
| 22:10.32 | Squeeb | or was that sid? |
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| 22:10.38 | azeem | notMyUserAccnt: like 'aptitude update', 'aptitude dist-upgrade', 'aptitude install foo' |
| 22:10.39 | abrotman | Squeeb: i already told you .. you're using etch |
| 22:10.41 | abrotman | !etch |
| 22:10.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 22:10.44 | jelly | notMyUserAccnt: aptitude has a nice UI too, and incorporates other functions from dpkg and apt-cache. |
| 22:10.44 | dah4m5ter | i have not come a solution any nearer, except that i know that md5sum is right and that nero/cd-rw don't let me burn at 1x speed |
| 22:10.46 | bucky | mwilson, if anyone walks away from this discussion knowing that one point we'll all be better off |
| 22:10.51 | Squeeb | abrotman: i'm pretty damned sure I'm not. |
| 22:10.52 | notMyUserAccnt | thanks azeem |
| 22:11.04 | Squeeb | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Sarge_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20041122)] |
| 22:11.04 | abrotman | Squeeb: YES YOU ARE |
| 22:11.07 | Squeeb | ^ |
| 22:11.08 | mwilson | bucky: Which point? |
| 22:11.09 | Squeeb | in the source.list |
| 22:11.10 | abrotman | Squeeb: and it's commented out |
| 22:11.17 | Squeeb | it wasn't when I installed it. |
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| 22:11.20 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Fair enough. So again you are left contradicting the official doc and you have not one shred proof. With the exception of "do this insane thing". Nice. |
| 22:11.23 | abrotman | and your testing sources supercede that CD |
| 22:11.25 | m2 | Squeeb: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:11.27 | azeem | Squeeb: that's when it was testing, which it isn't anymore |
| 22:11.27 | notMyUserAccnt | jelly: how do i get to the ui? |
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| 22:11.29 | Squeeb | I see. |
| 22:11.31 | bucky | mwilson, the preference of apt-get over aptitude |
| 22:11.35 | Squeeb | I see. |
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| 22:11.38 | Squeeb | so NOW i'm using etch |
| 22:11.39 | jelly | notMyUserAccnt: just run "aptitude". |
| 22:11.40 | m2 | Squeeb: do you see "testing" or "etch" in there? |
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| 22:11.49 | abrotman | Squeeb: you've been using testing .. testing is currently etch |
| 22:11.50 | Squeeb | m2: this is an old sources.list ... so no |
| 22:11.51 | jelly | notMyUserAccnt: note I did not say "GUI". |
| 22:11.55 | Squeeb | abrotman: gotcha |
| 22:11.59 | notMyUserAccnt | mmk...i'll let aptitude update run |
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| 22:12.02 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: If this was really a fact I would think it would be *very* easy for you to produce a bit of doc to contradict the doc I've found and prove me wrong in front of the whole world. |
| 22:12.04 | bucky | i'm not a genius and i figured that one out |
| 22:12.05 | paulswm | bucky: That's just an opinion, I personally prefer aptitude over apt-get |
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| 22:12.07 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Run that by me again? What "insane thing"? It's a method to demonstrate that aptutude doesn't need the apt-get binary. Do it, or not do it. |
| 22:12.08 | notMyUserAccnt | heh whoops |
| 22:12.10 | Squeeb | so When was Sarge the testing release? |
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| 22:12.30 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: I don't have any need to prove you wrong. |
| 22:12.39 | Squeeb | see.. the thing that worries me is the rest of that line |
| 22:12.40 | abrotman | Squeeb: sarge was released in june |
| 22:12.40 | azeem | Squeeb: until June |
| 22:12.45 | Squeeb | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Sarge_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20041122)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 22:12.52 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Then by any method of judging these things you have been proven wrong. Thanks for playing. |
| 22:12.54 | Squeeb | unstable :/ |
| 22:12.57 | dah4m5ter | "there was a problem reading data from the cdrom. please make sure it is in the drive. if retrying does not work, you should check the integrity of your cdrom. - failed to copy file from cdrom. retry?" - any help? |
| 22:13.02 | azeem | Squeeb: it's commented out? |
| 22:13.05 | Squeeb | yea.. but it wasn't |
| 22:13.08 | abrotman | Squeeb: that's a commented line .. i damn told you that |
| 22:13.13 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: He willl never admit that he's wrong, the only thing he's good at is scaring away new and inexperienced people |
| 22:13.14 | azeem | Squeeb: it's a cdrom |
| 22:13.32 | Squeeb | when I installed it, it wasn't commented out.. and when i Installed it.. this was the unstable release. |
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| 22:13.35 | abrotman | azeem: he has testing sources .. they supercede the CDrom line |
| 22:13.35 | Squeeb | I'm sure of it. |
| 22:13.41 | Squeeb | I honestly can't rememember |
| 22:13.44 | azeem | abrotman: yeah |
| 22:13.51 | bucky | Squeeb, so you install from an unstable snapshot cd? |
| 22:13.59 | Squeeb | that's long gone. |
| 22:14.08 | azeem | Squeeb: so what's the problem? |
| 22:14.13 | abrotman | azeem: nothing now :) |
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| 22:14.20 | azeem | just remove it from your sources.list or whatever |
| 22:14.24 | Squeeb | the problem is that I think I should be upgrading to the current unstable. |
| 22:14.27 | notMyUserAccnt | heh first things first, im recompiling this kernel ;-) |
| 22:14.29 | Squeeb | not the current testing |
| 22:14.33 | abrotman | Squeeb: uhm .. no please don't |
| 22:14.35 | azeem | Squeeb: why do you think that? |
| 22:14.36 | Squeeb | because I'm pretty sure I started off with unstable. |
| 22:14.44 | azeem | Squeeb: that's not an argument |
| 22:14.47 | abrotman | Squeeb: No |
| 22:14.53 | Squeeb | right |
| 22:14.59 | fbi | ok, maybe philly _isn't_ going to spank dallas. |
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| 22:15.08 | bucky | Squeeb, you can't "upgrade" from unstable to testing |
| 22:15.15 | azeem | Squeeb: feel free to upgrade to unstable, but we don't support that in here, you'll need to fix things yourself if they break |
| 22:15.16 | Squeeb | so if this machine was originally the "unstable" sarge.. can I upgrade to the latest "testing" re... oh |
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| 22:15.29 | azeem | Squeeb: sarge was never unstable |
| 22:15.30 | Squeeb | bucky: so I pretty much have to start again |
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| 22:15.38 | Squeeb | oh :X |
| 22:15.45 | azeem | Squeeb: why don't you try to upgrade to current testing? |
| 22:15.52 | azeem | that's what everybody recommends, AFAICT |
| 22:15.52 | abrotman | Squeeb: NO NO NO |
| 22:15.53 | Squeeb | azeem: scared. |
| 22:15.54 | Squeeb | :P |
| 22:16.03 | dah4m5ter | please guys, this newbie called dah4m5ter is there to find help.... don't ignore him :/ ^^ |
| 22:16.09 | azeem | Squeeb: uhm, upgrading to unstable should scare you much more |
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| 22:16.15 | Squeeb | ok |
| 22:16.17 | abrotman | Squeeb: do what you're doing .. you're perfectly fine .. stop trying to complicate the entire procedure |
| 22:16.31 | Squeeb | This is so going to go wrong :/ |
| 22:16.38 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 22:16.40 | abrotman | stop whining |
| 22:16.43 | Squeeb | :} |
| 22:17.01 | mwilson | dah4m5ter: <shrug> Burn a good CD, then. |
| 22:17.12 | dah4m5ter | lol |
| 22:17.21 | mwilson | !lol |
| 22:17.21 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:17.46 | dah4m5ter | this wasn't a laughter |
| 22:17.50 | jelly | Squeeb: You ran unstable before. You had mixed testing-sarge/testing-etch after that. Using current testing will probably work fo you. |
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| 22:18.13 | Squeeb | jelly: thanks |
| 22:18.17 | dah4m5ter | my cd DOES work, but not on the system i want to install debian on -.- |
| 22:18.20 | klemzi | can somebody tell me a good tutorial to make a software raid ond ebian (raid 1) plz |
| 22:18.30 | klemzi | ebian* |
| 22:18.35 | klemzi | debian * damn ;) |
| 22:18.39 | Squeeb | jelly: is it worth stopping all services while I do this? |
| 22:18.43 | Squeeb | Or will it do that anyway? .. |
| 22:18.45 | mwilson | www.tldp.org, read the software RAID howto. |
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| 22:19.02 | jelly | Squeeb: They'll stop by themselves if they need to. |
| 22:19.03 | magyar | i read the bts, and find a fellow provide a patch in january to a specific package, is it normal for a package to never be fixed? |
| 22:19.25 | azeem | magyar: some maintainers are busy with their dayjobs etc. |
| 22:19.33 | mwilson | magyar: If the maintainer doesn't feel the patch is appropriate is also a reason. |
| 22:19.41 | azeem | magyar: if it is not a serious bug, it might take a while |
| 22:19.43 | jelly | Squeeb: If you're really paranoid, you can always do a reboot afterwards and check everything's running. |
| 22:19.43 | Squeeb | says it's going to upgrade dpkg aswell |
| 22:19.52 | Squeeb | can dpkg upgrade itself ? |
| 22:19.58 | magyar | azeem, mwilson roger |
| 22:20.07 | azeem | magyar: what's the bug numer? |
| 22:20.08 | abrotman | Squeeb: yes ... |
| 22:20.09 | azeem | number |
| 22:20.12 | Squeeb | clever :) |
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| 22:20.31 | jelly | abrotman: I think somebody's pulling somebody elses legs here? |
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| 22:20.37 | Squeeb | well .. if everything breaks.. at least it gives me an excuse to start again and work from the current testing |
| 22:20.39 | magyar | azeem, #288726: xmms-kde |
| 22:20.47 | Squeeb | I'll see you on the other side. |
| 22:20.47 | abrotman | jelly: or is on par with GWB |
| 22:20.47 | ilpavox | what is the java (sun) classpath? |
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| 22:21.01 | Squeeb | Oh |
| 22:21.01 | Squeeb | erm |
| 22:21.01 | talisein | Hi. EVMS can't activate an LVM region, reporting no device found. It does exist in /dev/Container1/Region1.... but it seems as though EVMS is looking for /dev/lvm2/Container1/Region2.... creating a symlink in /dev to lvm2 doesn't seem to help. |
| 22:21.10 | mwilson | That's an AMD64 bug. |
| 22:21.12 | Squeeb | I've compiled my own kernel on this. |
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| 22:21.18 | Squeeb | Is it going to attempt to replace that |
| 22:21.23 | abrotman | was it in the list? |
| 22:21.24 | azeem | magyar: Fixed in version xmms-kde/3.1-2 by Peter Eisentraut <petere@debian.org>. |
| 22:21.32 | abrotman | i iddn't see it .. |
| 22:21.39 | azeem | magyar: are you running testing? |
| 22:21.40 | Squeeb | abrotman: yes. |
| 22:21.44 | Squeeb | but I didn't upgrade the package |
| 22:21.50 | azeem | magyar: it might take a while till it transitions |
| 22:21.51 | Squeeb | I just used the kernel source from kernel.org |
| 22:21.53 | abrotman | so just let it go .. if it doesn't work .. then it doesn't work .. of course .. it works for 99.999999% of people who use debian .. |
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| 22:22.02 | mwilson | magyar: Where do you see that this bug hasn't been fixed? |
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| 22:22.45 | mwilson | If it has KDE deps, I imagine it'll take a while to transition. Isn't all of KDE still held in unstable? |
| 22:23.15 | azeem | yes |
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| 22:23.27 | magyar | mwilson, i spoke to #kde thay said that it has to be rebuild against gcc4 |
| 22:23.48 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:23.51 | dah4m5ter | algright, it told me to check the integrity of the disk. so i went to the step "check the cdrom's integrity" of the installation. this then tells me i don't have a valid debian cd in the drive :( |
| 22:23.55 | abrotman | magyar: ask #debian-kde |
| 22:23.56 | Skiz | I'm trying to use guidedog on amd64, and when I click apply is says "export: command not found" I've checked all the dependencies, and they look fine.. any idea what the problem is? |
| 22:24.08 | mrpickles444 | Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 22:24.09 | mrpickles444 | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 22:24.09 | mrpickles444 | is only available from another source |
| 22:24.09 | magyar | mwilson, i used "querybts" and noticed the issue with gcc4 |
| 22:24.10 | mrpickles444 | =( |
| 22:24.10 | azeem | magyar: are you running testing? |
| 22:24.13 | abrotman | !find bin/export$ sarge |
| 22:24.21 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/export' returned no results. |
| 22:24.24 | notMyUserAccnt | hmm...i tried to make menuconfig in my newly unpacked kernel dir, and it says i need the ncurses-dev library |
| 22:24.30 | abrotman | !find bin/export$ sid |
| 22:24.34 | magyar | azeem, yeap, thats the onlyone that will run on my H/W |
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| 22:24.41 | notMyUserAccnt | ncurses-devel |
| 22:24.43 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/export' returned no results. |
| 22:24.45 | mwilson | notMyUserAccnt: Yes, as endlessly documented for years. |
| 22:24.46 | azeem | notMyUserAccnt: indeed, libncurses-dev or so |
| 22:24.53 | magyar | abrotman, no help i tried an hour ago |
| 22:25.01 | Skiz | export is an internal in the shell usually right? |
| 22:25.07 | D13GU___ | hi all! |
| 22:25.12 | azeem | Skiz: yes, I think so |
| 22:25.14 | abrotman | Skiz: maybe |
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| 22:25.30 | abrotman | though it's on my system |
| 22:25.30 | azeem | at least for bash |
| 22:25.39 | Skiz | yeah perhaps its because I'm running in tcsh |
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| 22:26.08 | Miesco | How do I make my internal IP static? |
| 22:26.16 | magyar | mwilson, now i read the whole webpage" pardon the n00b" that its been fixed. but never the less it wont install with kdelibs4rc2 |
| 22:26.40 | Caelum | Miesco: assign a static dhcp lease |
| 22:26.47 | D13GU___ | somebody know a hardmodem list compatible with linux? |
| 22:26.57 | notMyUserAccnt | hmm...n/m i thought i installed it...looks like aptitude is gittin it |
| 22:26.58 | Squeeb | I can't watch :X |
| 22:27.01 | Miesco | Caelum: Where do I do that? |
| 22:27.11 | mwilson | magyar: "n00b" is the wrong tactic/reason/excuse to use with me. |
| 22:27.13 | Caelum | Miesco: in your router |
| 22:27.27 | magyar | mwilson, got it |
| 22:27.39 | mwilson | magyar: You said you're running testing. The patched version isn't in testing. Seems rather final. |
| 22:27.50 | Caelum | magyar: apt-get build-dep foo; apt-get source foo; dpkg-buildpackage -x foo.dsc |
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| 22:28.10 | Miesco | Caelum: No, I want to request a static IP from my linux machine |
| 22:28.10 | Caelum | magyar: you need deb-src lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:28.10 | mhz | hi all |
| 22:28.13 | azeem | magyar: I would suggest using a different package, which provides similar features |
| 22:28.17 | azeem | should be easy for xmms |
| 22:28.36 | Caelum | Miesco: man interfaces |
| 22:29.00 | magyar | azeem, not a biggie, am kool,....it's a learning experience :) |
| 22:29.02 | mwilson | I've been sitting here trying to figure out what would be special about an xmms-kde package in the first place? QT instead of GTK, maybe, for the menus? |
| 22:29.03 | magyar | thanks guys |
| 22:29.05 | mhz | Please, I need help to understand why local DHCP does not work. Can anyone help me? |
| 22:29.17 | mwilson | mhz: Do you have a local DHCP server? |
| 22:29.30 | mhz | mwilson, I set dhcpd.conf, yes |
| 22:29.40 | mwilson | That's not what I asked you. |
| 22:30.05 | mhz | and only when I use crossover cable, it works. if I use Dlink router in betwee, nop |
| 22:30.16 | notMyUserAccnt | generally, when you select stuff to be "modules" in menuconfig, do they load automatically |
| 22:30.26 | mwilson | notMyUserAccnt: Sometimes. |
| 22:30.28 | Caelum | mhz: your dlink router has a dhcp server |
| 22:30.30 | notMyUserAccnt | or do you need to put them into /etc/modules.conf or whatever its called |
| 22:30.30 | mhz | mwilson, then what do you mean? |
| 22:30.40 | mhz | Caelum, no idea :( |
| 22:30.47 | Caelum | mhz: it does |
| 22:30.56 | mhz | Caelum, ahh |
| 22:30.59 | Caelum | mhz: check the config page on it, you might be able to turn it off |
| 22:31.06 | mhz | Caelum, how do I set it manually? |
| 22:31.11 | notMyUserAccnt | to be safe, should i select every "module" that i really need to be included into the kernel instead of a module? |
| 22:31.12 | mwilson | mhz: Why in the world would you put a router BETWEEN the two boxes? |
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| 22:31.20 | Caelum | mhz: http://your-router-ip-here/ |
| 22:31.21 | mwilson | notMyUserAccnt: If you like. |
| 22:31.31 | notMyUserAccnt | i think i bes go do that |
| 22:31.32 | Caelum | that's a good question too |
| 22:31.36 | jelly | notMyUserAccnt: they usually load when first required. |
| 22:31.41 | mhz | Caelum, i imagine but how do I get to know its IP |
| 22:31.50 | nvz | how do I switch documents in less? if I less * for example? |
| 22:31.59 | Caelum | mhz: either 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 if it's not been changed |
| 22:31.59 | Miesco | Okay, how do I restart my internet connection? |
| 22:32.03 | mhz | mwilson, because I need to share web to other linux boxes |
| 22:32.07 | notMyUserAccnt | jelly: so should i just leave them as modules (right now im looking at acpi stuff) |
| 22:32.08 | Caelum | nvz: use screen |
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| 22:32.16 | jelly | notMyUserAccnt: yes |
| 22:32.22 | Caelum | nvz: in less, it should be :n or something |
| 22:32.22 | mhz | Caelum, i'm gonna try |
| 22:32.25 | nvz | Caelum: I dont want to use screen. I already have screen running |
| 22:32.35 | notMyUserAccnt | all the 1337 haxors in here need to go hack up 127.0.0.1 hes a real dick! |
| 22:32.36 | notMyUserAccnt | j/k |
| 22:32.42 | notMyUserAccnt | read a log |
| 22:32.55 | Caelum | notMyUserAccnt: wrong channel... |
| 22:32.55 | Ketter | nvz: split it up then |
| 22:32.58 | notMyUserAccnt | where this guy got pissed, called someone a coward because he wouldnt give his ip |
| 22:33.09 | m2 | nvz: do you use vi? |
| 22:33.12 | notMyUserAccnt | and the guy said "ok my ip is 127.0.0.1" |
| 22:33.22 | notMyUserAccnt | and proceeded to hurt his own comp.... |
| 22:33.25 | m2 | nvz: same thing -> :n = next doc, :p = prev doc |
| 22:33.33 | notMyUserAccnt | sorry about that ;-) |
| 22:33.38 | nvz | nm my question was answered. I want to read an entire documentation dir without typing multiple commands |
| 22:34.00 | mhz | Caelum, none :( |
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| 22:34.22 | Caelum | mhz: why are you using a router if you don't know how to use it or what it does? |
| 22:34.41 | dah4m5ter | noone helping here.... going to sleep :/ |
| 22:35.01 | mhz | Caelum, that was what I got. And when I assigned IP manually to boxes, they worked ok |
| 22:35.27 | Caelum | mhz: so your router is connected to your cable/dsl and it works, right? |
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| 22:35.48 | Ketter | dah4m5ter: good night.. and if you are so sure that your system is the issue.. then please, don't expect any hardware support |
| 22:36.15 | meff | i cannot get smartctl to read from my sata drive /dev/sda .. any hints? i've tried 'smartctl -d ata -a /dev/sda' but i get 'Smartctl: Device Read Identity Failed (not an ATA/ATAPI device)' |
| 22:36.17 | zweideutig | Damn it. |
| 22:36.23 | mhz | Caelum, nop. I have it connected to the eth1 ("server") while the eth0 is connected to the CableModem |
| 22:36.23 | dah4m5ter | thanks, the hardware used to work perfectly well under windows |
| 22:36.30 | dah4m5ter | anyway, cya |
| 22:36.43 | Caelum | mhz: if you're using a computer as a router, you do not need a router |
| 22:36.48 | zweideutig | This logic board has more ISA slots on it than PCI! |
| 22:36.50 | jelly | meff: did you patch the kernel with libata passthru patches? |
| 22:37.05 | Caelum | mhz: use a switch |
| 22:37.06 | marska | Howdy.. I'm installing Debian Linux from scratch on my laptop using Floppy images; I'm accessing aptitude but am unsure which packages to install to make a full usable installation |
| 22:37.20 | abrotman | define usable |
| 22:37.27 | meff | jelly: only patch i am using is ck.. im on 2.6.13-ck7 (ck includes 2.6.13.3) |
| 22:37.49 | zweideutig | marska: Install fortune. Any usable installation has to have Debian. |
| 22:37.55 | zweideutig | Err, fortune. |
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| 22:38.06 | mhz | Caelum, ok, I see. But if I do not have a switch, in order to share web to the other boxes, then I should use the router connected to the Cable Modem instead? |
| 22:38.08 | zweideutig | marska: Install fortune. Any usable installation has to have fortune |
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| 22:38.16 | jelly | meff: you need jgarzik's libata patches for smart to work. |
| 22:38.17 | beardy | marska: and nethack, or slashem |
| 22:38.38 | meff | jelly: can you point me to them please, url? :) |
| 22:38.39 | Caelum | marska: there's a program called "tasksel" you could try... |
| 22:38.47 | jelly | meff: a second |
| 22:38.51 | Caelum | does tasksel still exist? |
| 22:38.56 | azeem | marska: aptitude will install all the Priority: standard packages, that should be sufficient initially. Just install anything you miss afterwards |
| 22:39.00 | azeem | Caelum: yes |
| 22:39.03 | Caelum | ah cool |
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| 22:39.19 | zweideutig | I need to switch network cards in an already configured Debian machine. I'll need to rerun configuration script. |
| 22:39.21 | notMyUserAccnt | is there a dependency checker for aptitude, because neither centericq nor naim can connect |
| 22:39.25 | Caelum | apt-cache search <foo> is a good way to look for stuff to install |
| 22:39.26 | meff | jelly: also do you have any idea if they will merge into .14? |
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| 22:39.39 | notMyUserAccnt | but gaim can connect while i have my xserver up |
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| 22:39.41 | marska | azeem: Erm.. My system is running on 64 megs of ram and a 133 mhz P1 |
| 22:39.41 | bjorn | how can I check by battery? |
| 22:39.45 | mikeym | can apt-get be configured to download and install applications using the source code rather than precompiled binaries, and still be able to manage the packages it would with the binaries? |
| 22:39.49 | marska | Azeem: I'm not sure if it can run Gnome... |
| 22:39.51 | beardy | notMyUserAccnt: Your question makes no sense, if it was one. |
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| 22:39.57 | Caelum | mhz: an 8 port switch is about $30 these days |
| 22:39.58 | azeem | marska: I did not suggest you run GNOME |
| 22:40.06 | zweideutig | How can I rerun Debian's network configuration script? |
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| 22:40.10 | marska | azeem: What packages are downloaded via priority? |
| 22:40.12 | bjorn | I'm on a thinkpad G41 with the latest stable build of debian and I want to know what percentage by battery is at? |
| 22:40.21 | mwilson | notMyUserAccnt: aptitude *is* a dependency checker. |
| 22:40.31 | azeem | marska: well, have a look, you can order by priority in apitude I believe |
| 22:40.32 | Ketter | mikeym: sure.. adjust the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:40.39 | azeem | marska: emacs is the fattest one I think |
| 22:40.44 | notMyUserAccnt | ok...i'll just state my problem...I am able to connect to AIM while using gaim, but i am unable to connect using naim or centericq (2 console aim clients) |
| 22:40.50 | zweideutig | dpkg-reconfigure nic? |
| 22:40.58 | Caelum | marska: you want something like xfce and blackbox, probably. gnome/kde probably won't work too well |
| 22:40.59 | marska | azeem: Emacs is a desktop enviroment? |
| 22:41.00 | Ketter | mikeym: but I would only build them manually if I needed to adjust the source |
| 22:41.02 | talisein | So.. anyone in here know much about the device mapper? |
| 22:41.04 | azeem | marska: no? |
| 22:41.05 | ice_1963 | msg dpkg java |
| 22:41.13 | beardy | zweideutig: what was that? |
| 22:41.15 | jelly | meff: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jgarzik/libata/ , the latest patch applied cleanly to my 2.6.13.2 |
| 22:41.15 | mhz | Caelum, someone broke into my house a few weeks ago. No I am "restricted" to make expenses, even U$30. I have to "play" with what I got only. Caelum, so, in order to share web, I connect router to Cable Modem? and how do I get to know its P, then? |
| 22:41.15 | notMyUserAccnt | i was thinking atitude might have missed connection libraries |
| 22:41.20 | marska | Caelum: Oh.. Okay. I'll try XFCE |
| 22:41.22 | zweideutig | beardy: I need to reconfigure network access. |
| 22:41.30 | notMyUserAccnt | but gaim will connect with ease |
| 22:41.32 | zweideutig | Because I am switching network cards. |
| 22:41.49 | beardy | zweideutig: Edit /etc/network/interfaces, 'man 5 interfaces' |
| 22:41.56 | Caelum | marska: there are lots of little file managers, panels, etc. you could play with. Also, try icewm, it's very fast and very usable |
| 22:42.03 | zweideutig | beardy: Thank you. |
| 22:42.26 | Caelum | marska: don't install any servers you don't need |
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| 22:42.55 | zweideutig | marska: What do you need? Is this going to be a syn server? |
| 22:42.58 | ke6isf | !emacs |
| 22:42.59 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
| 22:42.59 | meff | jelly: thanks.. also do you know if it'll be in .14? curious.. |
| 22:42.59 | talisein | So am I globaly /ignored or something? |
| 22:43.03 | zweideutig | Err, svn. |
| 22:43.07 | Caelum | mhz: ok. If you have to use a router as a switch, put your PC on 192.168.0.something and try 192.168.0.1 repeat with the 192.168.1.0 network |
| 22:43.11 | notMyUserAccnt | i can see you talisein |
| 22:43.17 | Caelum | mhz: until you can go to the router config page and turn off dhcp |
| 22:43.18 | talisein | thanks. |
| 22:43.21 | jelly | meff: Dunno about inclusion in .14, I don't read all of the lkml. ;-) |
| 22:43.31 | meff | jelly: cool.. appreciated. |
| 22:43.32 | phrontist | no one knows how to check battery status on a thinkpad from linux? |
| 22:43.34 | Caelum | mhz: or you could *gasp* use the router as a router :) |
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| 22:43.57 | beardy | marska: What is the computer going to do? Was it a P133? Is it the only one you have? |
| 22:44.08 | notMyUserAccnt | phrontist did you do all the fancy acpi options in your kernel? |
| 22:44.16 | jelly | meff: but it works-for-me (TM). ;-) |
| 22:44.34 | phrontist | is that required in order to see the battery status? |
| 22:44.39 | marska | beardy: Its my only laptop. School use only so reports, essays, maybe some basic programming work |
| 22:44.42 | phrontist | I thought that was for more sophisticated things |
| 22:45.03 | Caelum | phrontist: acpi --battery |
| 22:45.07 | marska | beardy: I have a main system I use for gaming and all that (Radeon 9700, athlon 64, etc, etc) |
| 22:45.15 | zweideutig | marska: All you need is vi and gcc then. |
| 22:45.25 | Caelum | marska: you might be better off with colinux then |
| 22:45.27 | notMyUserAccnt | phrontist i'm not sure, i have a dell laptop, and i just selected those options, and when i started kde i saw battery status :-/ |
| 22:45.28 | zweideutig | vi is a great word processor. ;) |
| 22:45.35 | Caelum | a p133 is not much fun these days |
| 22:45.36 | beardy | Caelum: ? |
| 22:45.37 | notMyUserAccnt | zweideutig indeed |
| 22:45.48 | jelly | !flame war |
| 22:45.49 | dpkg | war: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 22:45.50 | marska | zweideutig: Isn't that a bit like using emacs as a Calendar or email program? |
| 22:45.51 | zweideutig | Caelum: Heresy! |
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| 22:45.57 | jelly | !flamewar |
| 22:45.57 | dpkg | flamewar is, like, that thing between vi and emacs.... Perl vs Python |
| 22:46.01 | notMyUserAccnt | heh |
| 22:46.02 | Caelum | colinux runs debian btw :) |
| 22:46.06 | jelly | darn |
| 22:46.14 | beardy | !colinux |
| 22:46.15 | dpkg | colinux is, like, http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ... |
| 22:46.15 | jelly | dpkg, start a flame war please |
| 22:46.26 | zweideutig | 133 MHz can be very useful with a good battery. |
| 22:46.26 | notMyUserAccnt | i like vi because when i have to argue about it, its easier to type than "emacs", 3 chars shorter ;-) |
| 22:46.26 | beardy | yuck.. |
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| 22:46.38 | zweideutig | Run abiword, use fluxbox. |
| 22:46.44 | beardy | So you say he should run windows, and that, on a 133? |
| 22:46.54 | zweideutig | beardy: No, Debian. |
| 22:46.58 | marska | Caelum: Colinux? I'll look into it.. The only real problem I have is that my laptop doesn't have a CD-Rom |
| 22:47.05 | Caelum | beardy: he said he has an athlon, so was referring to that |
| 22:47.10 | Caelum | marska: not needed |
| 22:47.17 | notMyUserAccnt | if you have a laptop, probably a good idea to throw in all the acpi stuff anyway .... if you are worried about your battery life |
| 22:47.23 | marska | Caelum: I'm using floppies |
| 22:47.24 | zweideutig | I run Debian on a 100 MHz IBM as a system for making VoIP softphone calls. |
| 22:47.34 | Caelum | marska: so this is a p133 laptop? never mind then, that could be very useful |
| 22:47.44 | beardy | Caelum: So he should toss away his laptop and carry a desktop box and monitor with him? |
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| 22:47.55 | Caelum | beardy: sorry, I misread the situation |
| 22:48.00 | zweideutig | I think 133 MHz is fast. |
| 22:48.06 | beardy | It is. |
| 22:48.20 | zweideutig | I remember the days of my 50 MHz 16 colour Zenith laptop. |
| 22:48.38 | marska | Zweitdeutig: I remember my old Apple laptop.. |
| 22:48.41 | zweideutig | Pentium Classics can be passively cooled too. |
| 22:48.44 | marska | A few mhz.. It had a GUI |
| 22:48.45 | marska | Sweet |
| 22:48.57 | Caelum | I thought my XT was fast enough, and it had a nice metal case :) |
| 22:49.17 | marska | Caelum: Unwritten law ¬ all laptops should be usable as blunt weapons |
| 22:49.24 | zweideutig | marska: X11 will run fine on a 133 MHz CPU, make sure you have at least 48 MB of RAM though. |
| 22:49.41 | marska | Zweitdeutig: Whats X11? |
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| 22:49.53 | azeem | marska: the X-Window-System |
| 22:50.05 | zweideutig | marska: Window system protocol. Apps use xlib to connect. |
| 22:50.06 | Caelum | marska: if you have a slot for a memory upgrade, that could be useful |
| 22:50.08 | azeem | basically, the graphical stuff, as opposed to the text-mode console |
| 22:50.11 | phrontist | how do I install acpi support? |
| 22:50.19 | Caelum | phrontist: apt-get install acpid |
| 22:50.23 | zweideutig | marska: How much RAM in that Pentium Classic laptop? |
| 22:50.47 | beardy | marska: Why do you need X? |
| 22:50.47 | zweideutig | marska: Also you have APM support on that old laptop, which works reliable with Linux. |
| 22:50.52 | harfooz | hi all -- I'm having a senior moment here: I can't remember the name of the package that when run by root will present a complete hardware listing of the system. I'm not coming up with anything through apt-cache search that looks right. Does anyone here remember the name of that package? |
| 22:50.55 | Caelum | phrontist: probably also acpi, acpitool and powernowd |
| 22:51.09 | Caelum | phrontist: also see acpi.sf.net |
| 22:51.11 | zweideutig | beardy: Sometimes abiword is handy at school. |
| 22:51.15 | azeem | harfooz: tried lsmod? |
| 22:51.17 | azeem | eh |
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| 22:51.20 | phrontist | ok |
| 22:51.22 | azeem | harfooz: tried lspci? |
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| 22:52.04 | harfooz | azeem, not those -- it's a package that starts with the letter h and has (I think) 4 letters in it, and will provide the names and specs of the hardware. |
| 22:52.07 | azeem | harfooz: or perhaps hal-device-manager for something more fancy (and complete) |
| 22:52.08 | zweideutig | My current laptop is a 233 MHz Dell Latitude with 64 MB of RAM and Slackware 10. It is fine with X.org, fluxbox, Firefox and abiword. |
| 22:52.12 | marska | zweideutig: APM? 64 megs |
| 22:52.16 | azeem | harfooz: hwinfo? |
| 22:52.22 | jelly | harfooz: lshw? |
| 22:52.29 | zweideutig | marska: Advanced Power Management. So you can sleep your laptop. |
| 22:52.29 | harfooz | that's it!!! |
| 22:52.29 | talisein | yay i fixed it. |
| 22:52.33 | harfooz | thanks jelly! |
| 22:52.33 | Caelum | zweideutig: you can upgrade both the ram and processor on that machine |
| 22:52.37 | zweideutig | marska: 64 MB will be plenty. |
| 22:52.39 | beardy | zweideutig: How much swap? |
| 22:52.41 | zweideutig | Caelum: Yes. |
| 22:52.47 | harfooz | I had the number of letters right, but the wrong starting letter! |
| 22:52.49 | harfooz | doh! |
| 22:52.51 | marska | Zweitdeutig: Oh.. My only complaint is that I doubt it will be good for multitasking |
| 22:52.53 | Caelum | latitudes are cool |
| 22:53.00 | zweideutig | beardy: I think I have about 128 MB swap. The laptop has a 6 GB HDD> |
| 22:53.02 | marska | No watching music and word proccessing |
| 22:53.10 | zweideutig | marska: Naysayer. |
| 22:53.10 | marska | Mine has 3 gigs |
| 22:53.19 | Caelum | marska: it will do that just fine |
| 22:53.31 | marska | Ah well.. Then I have no complaints |
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| 22:53.43 | zweideutig | marska: Technically, only my SMP dual Pentium Digital Celebris workstation multitasks. Uniprocessor machines do one one thing at a time. |
| 22:53.59 | zweideutig | And my hyperthreading Pentium 4 machines. ;) |
| 22:54.00 | marska | Maybe the occasional xvid video "cough" |
| 22:54.12 | zweideutig | Video won't work well. |
| 22:54.15 | phrontist | I installed the aforementioned acpi packages but when I run acpi I get: "No ACPI in kernel or incorrect path" |
| 22:54.28 | zweideutig | Even on my 233 MHz CPU, video is poor. mp3's will play fine though. |
| 22:54.34 | Caelum | phrontist: dmesg | grep ACPI |
| 22:54.37 | marska | Zweideutig: You know what I mean when I say multitasking. If its fast enough not to be noticable by a human, then thats what it is |
| 22:54.37 | rfm | zweideutig: not at all true if you have dma. arguably even a process waiting for I/O is doing something |
| 22:54.53 | Harzilein | works great for sshing home on the chaos communication congress |
| 22:54.59 | marska | Does Harzilein bludgen people with his laptop? |
| 22:55.03 | zweideutig | rfm: Well, if you have support for DMA in your kernel. |
| 22:55.13 | Harzilein | in fact, i have two |
| 22:55.13 | phrontist | Caelum: I have run that... what am I looking for |
| 22:55.21 | marska | Zweitdeutig: That sounds sexy |
| 22:55.23 | Caelum | phrontist: any output |
| 22:55.25 | jelly | phrontist: considering you have a thinkpad, you might also want to take a look at tpctl, or better yet "apt-cache search thinkpad" |
| 22:55.28 | marska | Hey baby.. Do you have DMA in your kernel? |
| 22:55.39 | Caelum | heh |
| 22:55.46 | Harzilein | compaq elite 4/75 cxl and siemens pcd 4nd |
| 22:55.47 | phrontist | Caelum: I have output |
| 22:55.57 | zweideutig | My 233 Dell Latitude still gets almost four hours on its battery. |
| 22:55.59 | Caelum | phrontist: what version of kernel? |
| 22:56.10 | notMyUserAccnt | just making sure...for debian you just go and download your own kernel right...you dont need to apt-get or anything? |
| 22:56.14 | zweideutig | The LCD is nearly flawless. I have a replacement screen when it goes. |
| 22:56.26 | phrontist | Caelum: how do I check my kernel version? |
| 22:56.31 | keikoz | uname -r |
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| 22:56.43 | phrontist | 2.4.47 |
| 22:56.45 | zweideutig | I use my laptop as a console via VNC to my Mac Mini (which runs Debian) at home. |
| 22:56.48 | Harzilein | (both are 486 class machines. but for their tasks they work nicely) |
| 22:56.49 | Harzilein | btw |
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| 22:56.52 | zweideutig | Old laptops make great X consoles. |
| 22:56.58 | Harzilein | yup |
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| 22:57.14 | Caelum | and great battery backed servers |
| 22:57.21 | talisein | What's the name of the program during the Sarge install that does the partitioning? |
| 22:57.21 | zweideutig | 486's are fine for routers and little servers too. |
| 22:57.27 | jelly | notMyUserAccnt: you can use a distro kernel package if you don't want to compile your own, it should work. |
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| 22:57.42 | Caelum | talisein: dunno, but you can use cfdisk, fdisk, etc. |
| 22:57.46 | zweideutig | I have a 133 MHz Pentium Classic machine backed by a UPS running NetBSD as an ipf firewall. |
| 22:57.51 | notMyUserAccnt | jelly i want to compile my own ;-), just makin sure its like any other distro |
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| 22:57.55 | Harzilein | anyone knows where i can get 16 bit pcmcia cards that provide a usb2 bus? |
| 22:58.00 | phrontist | should I reboot? Would that make acpi work? |
| 22:58.02 | jelly | notMyUserAccnt: It is. |
| 22:58.08 | Harzilein | s/ bus// |
| 22:58.12 | Caelum | Harzilein: umm...never heard of such a thing |
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| 22:58.16 | Harzilein | 16 bit, 5v that is |
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| 22:58.26 | Caelum | Harzilein: usb2 came out after cardbus was standard |
| 22:58.28 | notMyUserAccnt | trying out debian, seeing if i have more luck getting my ipw2200 driver working |
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| 22:58.45 | talisein | Caelum, I need the cool LVM/RAID setup part |
| 22:58.46 | Caelum | notMyUserAccnt: just got that working a few days back. apt-get install ipw2200-source |
| 22:58.55 | Harzilein | Caelum: yes, but i think usb1 pcmcia cards are also legacy support |
| 22:58.59 | Caelum | phrontist: try getting a 2.6 kernel |
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| 22:59.07 | Harzilein | Caelum: so it's reasonable someone would make them |
| 22:59.34 | notMyUserAccnt | Caelum: heh thats a bit easier than slack....does it do all the deps as well...ie IEEE80211 and install the firmware? |
| 22:59.39 | Harzilein | Caelum: of course for devices that can't handle a usb2 connection which is slower than the nominal speed of usb2 |
| 22:59.46 | zweideutig | I wonder if 100 MHz Pentium will be enough for sipphone.com's VoIP client. :) |
| 22:59.51 | Harzilein | Caelum: it'd need an option to be switched to usb1 |
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| 23:00.11 | kds | I noticed that mozilla sometimes shows its icon in its window in the workspace switcher. However it is not there every time I start mozilla. Anyone knows which option gets/removes it? |
| 23:00.29 | Harzilein | Caelum: i just broke my xircom realport ethernet adapter (my fault, the card is great) |
| 23:00.32 | jelly | notMyUserAccnt: you may already have a kernel-image-* installed that you might want to remove, it will ask to update your lilo configuration if/when it gets upgraded but you can say "no". |
| 23:00.38 | Caelum | notMyUserAccnt: you need kernel-package and to download the firmware separately |
| 23:00.53 | zweideutig | Harzilein: :( |
| 23:00.56 | Harzilein | Caelum: and while getting a new one would be an option, it'd be cool to be able to go from pcmcia to usb and to ethernet from there |
| 23:00.56 | magyar | Caelum, i am trying do dpkg-buildpackage "pkg-name.dsc" but it keeps comming up with "usage" |
| 23:01.29 | Caelum | Harzilein: I remember when those came out, ethernet with no dongle! :) |
| 23:01.35 | zweideutig | Harzilein: bully at school ripped my 233 MHz Dell Latitude CP out of my hands and dropped it on the floor. |
| 23:01.41 | Harzilein | Caelum: and get a cool solution for external storage together with it |
| 23:01.47 | Harzilein | Caelum: yup |
| 23:02.01 | jelly | zweideutig: btw, skype provides a .deb package nowadays. It's a huge X app. though, probably not suitable for P5/100. |
| 23:02.05 | zweideutig | Harzilein: The CD-ROM, battery and Xircom ethernet adapter popped out while it was running. |
| 23:02.11 | notMyUserAccnt | Caelum wait...im building a kernel i got off of kernels.org, other than just updating my grub config, do i need to do anything |
| 23:02.19 | notMyUserAccnt | whats this "kernel-source" you are talking about |
| 23:02.26 | Harzilein | Caelum: a friendly guy at the wth kinda fixed it after i dropped it in a clumsy way |
| 23:02.29 | Caelum | magyar: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc foo.dsc |
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| 23:02.52 | Caelum | notMyUserAccnt: you should use kernel-package |
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| 23:03.00 | Harzilein | Caelum: but now it has an ethernet cable directly soldered to its board. so it has a dongle to watch out for again |
| 23:03.02 | Caelum | notMyUserAccnt: then do, fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 23:03.03 | zweideutig | Harzilein: I was able to put it all back together and it works, but sometimes I have to jiggle the Xircom card to get it to work. |
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| 23:03.16 | zweideutig | Harzilein: How did it break? |
| 23:03.17 | azeem | Caelum: does that actually work? (running dpkg-buildpackage on a .dsc file) |
| 23:03.34 | aFlag | the more i know other systems the more i love debian and apt-get, pkgsrc sucks! |
| 23:03.42 | Caelum | err, I meant fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -x foo.dsc |
| 23:03.47 | Caelum | azeem: with the -x option |
| 23:03.51 | Harzilein | zweideutig: the floor of the wireless' village tent was damp and i put it on a small plastic case... but it could easy slip on the case, what it did. |
| 23:04.14 | notMyUserAccnt | Caelum heh....do i have to do that? i just ran make modules_install :-/ |
| 23:04.27 | zweideutig | My Xircom card doesn't have a dongle, the cable plugs into it, with the card fully flush with the side of the laptop. |
| 23:04.28 | Harzilein | zweideutig: then someone tried to realign the pins in the rj45 port |
| 23:04.30 | azeem | Caelum: ITYM dpkg-source |
| 23:04.32 | zweideutig | Harzilein: :\ |
| 23:04.32 | Caelum | notMyUserAccnt: you don't have to do that, but it's nicer |
| 23:04.34 | Harzilein | zweideutig: but they broke off |
| 23:04.34 | azeem | but maybe it redirects there |
| 23:04.45 | CoffeeBreaks | How does one automatically run a script after a module is loaded? post-install doesn't seem to be supported in modprobe.d scripts. |
| 23:04.56 | zweideutig | Harzilein: Make them buy you a new one. |
| 23:04.58 | Harzilein | zweideutig: then i went to the local smd soldering god and he attached a short ethernet cable on it |
| 23:05.01 | Harzilein | zweideutig: nopes |
| 23:05.18 | zweideutig | Harzilein: Does it work now? |
| 23:05.18 | Harzilein | zweideutig: i broke it, he just made it obvious |
| 23:05.18 | notMyUserAccnt | heh...im going to need to read up on the whole package management stuff of debian...i used slapt-get a little... |
| 23:05.22 | Caelum | notMyUserAccnt: you don't have to, but it's nicer, so do it next time |
| 23:05.24 | Harzilein | zweideutig: yup... |
| 23:05.47 | Harzilein | zweideutig: but of course i'll have to prepare myself for the point when i need a new one |
| 23:05.52 | Caelum | CoffeeBreaks: you can't, unfortunately |
| 23:05.52 | notMyUserAccnt | Caelum ok, also...when building programs from source....to i need to tell debian that i built a prog from source? |
| 23:05.54 | Harzilein | zweideutig: it's only a temporary solution |
| 23:06.02 | zweideutig | Harzilein: Good. You should be able to get another Xircom off ebay cheaply, now that it is undervalued by the wireless fad. |
| 23:06.15 | notMyUserAccnt | Caelum do i need to*, such as tell aptitude that i installed blah |
| 23:06.18 | Caelum | notMyUserAccnt: no, but I'd recommend using stow |
| 23:06.19 | Harzilein | zweideutig: i got mine off ebay, but i'd like a usb2 card |
| 23:06.29 | jelly | CoffeeBreaks: look at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base if you have it. |
| 23:06.36 | Caelum | notMyUserAccnt: and installing stuff into /usr/local/stow when a debian package or source package can't be used |
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| 23:06.39 | meff | jelly: is the passthru enabled in code? cause i dont see a menuconfig option :) |
| 23:06.41 | Harzilein | zweideutig: really, with an usb2 card i could install an usb wireless adapter, an ethernet adapter, a cdrom... |
| 23:06.48 | jelly | meff: yes. |
| 23:06.49 | Phoenix92x | hi, would anybody be able to explain to me how to reconfigure XFree86? |
| 23:06.54 | Phoenix92x | I need to up the resolution |
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| 23:07.21 | notMyUserAccnt | Caelum thanks for helping me get started with the ways of this mystical debian magic ;-) |
| 23:07.21 | Phoenix92x | or, be ABLE to set it higher |
| 23:07.22 | kds | Phoenix92x: you still with XFree86? |
| 23:07.34 | Phoenix92x | Im with whatever comes with the latest net install of sarge |
| 23:07.37 | Caelum | Phoenix92x: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 23:07.39 | zweideutig | Phoenix92x: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 23:07.39 | Phoenix92x | I THINK its XFree86 |
| 23:07.40 | CoffeeBreaks | jelly: how didn't I think of that... thanks. install can be used with a && ... little bit dirty, but hei. |
| 23:07.41 | jelly | meff: I just patched and recompiled, and voila! hddtemp works. smartctl -d ata too. |
| 23:07.45 | CoffeeBreaks | jelly: thanks |
| 23:07.49 | Harzilein | zweideutig: i'd like to have the isdn dongle for the xircom, the card could retire in the 486 laptop of my parents then, for use as an isdn router |
| 23:07.51 | zweideutig | Phoenix92x: X.org is usually better. |
| 23:07.54 | Phoenix92x | isnt there something like dpkg-reconfigure...something |
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| 23:08.11 | notMyUserAccnt | heh crap....errors |
| 23:08.11 | zweideutig | Harzilein: Hmm. |
| 23:08.18 | Caelum | Phoenix92x: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg |
| 23:08.21 | kds | Phoenix92x: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:08.27 | Harzilein | zweideutig: doesn't need to be moved, so the ethernet cable could last for years |
| 23:08.28 | notMyUserAccnt | do i use aptitude to get the kernel-sources |
| 23:08.32 | magyar | Caelum, nada, i had to cd to directory, than sudo and "debian/rules binary" |
| 23:08.40 | zweideutig | Harzilein: Yeah. |
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| 23:08.46 | jelly | CoffeeBreaks: yeah, /etc/modutils/stuff looks nicer. |
| 23:08.58 | Scognito | hi |
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| 23:09.07 | zweideutig | notMyUserAccnt: I like to get vanilla sources. |
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| 23:09.11 | Caelum | magyar: I think I got the syntax wrong, sorry. Use fakeroot instead of sudo |
| 23:09.15 | kds | Phoenix92x: read /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/XFree86.conf |
| 23:09.22 | Harzilein | uhm |
| 23:09.23 | Harzilein | btw |
| 23:09.26 | Scognito | what is the input of the sound blaster for listening to audio cd in analog mode? AUX-IN or TAD ? |
| 23:09.36 | Harzilein | i installed a new system with sarge recently |
| 23:09.39 | magyar | Caelum, np, thanks |
| 23:09.46 | Technel | What is the command to completely uninstall all of a programs config files and everything? Is it like dpkg --conf-miss reinstall or something? |
| 23:09.47 | Mortalman | If I ssh into a remote box and run an X app that tries to open /dev/video... it's refering to /dev/video on the remote box, right? |
| 23:09.52 | Harzilein | and at some point the rgb.txt got replaced with a version that lacks important color names |
| 23:09.58 | Harzilein | like indigo or navy4 |
| 23:09.58 | Caelum | Technel: dpkg --purge |
| 23:10.11 | Caelum | ouch |
| 23:10.13 | Harzilein | which i use in my xdm setup |
| 23:10.18 | Technel | Caelum, Okay, and if I install it again, will I have to do --conf-miss? |
| 23:10.21 | mwilson | Scognito: Neither. It has a CD-Audio input. |
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| 23:10.29 | Caelum | Technel: nope |
| 23:10.30 | kds | *sometimes* I see a mozilla icon for the mozilla window indicator in my workspace switcher. Anyone knows how to set it to appear every time I start mozilla? |
| 23:10.35 | Technel | Caelum, Cool, thanks |
| 23:10.41 | Harzilein | anyone knows what the debian way would be to get them back? |
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| 23:11.15 | mwilson | It would have been Debian that removed them in the first place. rgb.txt doesn't get randomly edited by applications. |
| 23:11.35 | Scognito | mwilson, ok...but the cable has 4 pins instead of the 2 of audiocd |
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| 23:11.44 | Harzilein | mwilson: with "at some point" i meant they got lost at some point in the debian development |
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| 23:11.52 | Harzilein | mwilson: or in the one of Xorg that is |
| 23:12.03 | mwilson | Scognito: No, audio CD's have four pins. |
| 23:12.08 | Harzilein | mwilson: ran xconsortium-xfree until a while ago |
| 23:12.11 | mwilson | Scognito: Left, Right, and a ground for each. |
| 23:12.12 | Caelum | Harzilein: try apt-get --reinstall install x11-common |
| 23:12.28 | Harzilein | Caelum: uhm, the system really is fresh |
| 23:12.36 | Harzilein | Caelum: others have the same file as well |
| 23:12.38 | Scognito | the cd input of the soundcard is smaller |
| 23:13.05 | Caelum | Harzilein: that package has the /etc/X11/rgb.txt file |
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| 23:13.18 | mwilson | Scognito: Left, Right, and a ground for each. |
| 23:13.40 | mwilson | Scognito: If you're looking at a two-pin corrector, that's the digital input. |
| 23:13.45 | bjorn | is there some way I can add ACPI support to my kernal without patching at recompiling it (I've never done that before, and would like to avoid it if possible)? |
| 23:13.48 | wilbertoki | what happened to adduser -p <password> option? I want to add password in sh script |
| 23:13.49 | Mortalman | Scognito: I have seen some so-called "digital audio" connectors for CD audio that have 2 pins. Not sure though. |
| 23:14.12 | Harzilein | Caelum: again, the installed rgb.txt is lacking the colors, i don't know who's responsible for ommitting them, but from the rcsid it looks like xorg: |
| 23:14.15 | Harzilein | ! $Xorg: rgb.txt,v 1.3 2000/08/17 19:54:00 cpqbld Exp $ |
| 23:14.16 | pacman | how sure are you that indigo and navy4 are supposed to be in the rgb.txt to start with? I don't have them in mine. |
| 23:14.21 | dspstv | i need some modules that are not in the kernel-sources some webpage suggested looking for kernel-source-nonfree |
| 23:14.21 | Scognito | ok i re-do the question :) |
| 23:14.33 | dspstv | could anyone tell me where to get: kernel-source-nonfree?? |
| 23:14.40 | Caelum | Harzilein: oh... maybe you could send a patch in a bug report |
| 23:14.58 | mwilson | indigo is #480081 |
| 23:14.59 | Harzilein | Caelum: uhm, i'd rather want to know the whole story first |
| 23:15.08 | mwilson | http://vancouver-webpages.com/DIY/color.html |
| 23:15.20 | Scognito | i want to listen to audio cd on linux....goobox and gnome-cd freezes, tcd plays with no audio, totem works |
| 23:15.24 | Mortalman | dspstv: kernel-source-nonfree? Never heard of it. Let me know if you find it so I can try to figure out what the hell that means. lol |
| 23:15.26 | Scognito | i want to use goobox |
| 23:15.29 | Scognito | or gnome-cd |
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| 23:15.47 | dspstv | Mortalman you know what it means |
| 23:15.57 | dspstv | it means debian way |
| 23:15.57 | Scognito | totem doesn't use the cable because even if i pull it it plays cd |
| 23:16.05 | Scognito | so the extraction i assume is digital |
| 23:16.20 | mwilson | Crap like totem play the CD via digital audio extraction. |
| 23:16.21 | Scognito | i used that 4 pin cable 1 year ago in some manner |
| 23:16.25 | Mortalman | dspstv: Sorry, still not following you. |
| 23:16.31 | dspstv | http://www.acm.rpi.edu/~dilinger/kernel-source-nonfree-2.6.11/ |
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| 23:16.35 | Scognito | but i cannot remeber but i assure gnome-cd and goobox worked |
| 23:16.36 | dspstv | follow that |
| 23:16.42 | Mortalman | dspstv: Are you looking for debian kernel-source packages ? |
| 23:16.54 | enyc | <me yawns |
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| 23:17.03 | dspstv | yeap with some certain modules for getting a gps to work |
| 23:17.29 | Caelum | Harzilein: ask Overfiend |
| 23:17.32 | Scognito | how can i use that cable? i assure it worked since i have only this |
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| 23:17.35 | dspstv | but kernel-sources 2-6-12 in debian have no keyspan modules |
| 23:17.42 | dspstv | and those i need |
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| 23:18.41 | Caelum | Harzilein: btw, do those latitudes have a mini-pci slot? |
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| 23:19.06 | graham | after initial install there is a package install program that runs, how can i get the package installing application started again? |
| 23:19.06 | Harzilein | Caelum: who's that? overfiend i mean? |
| 23:19.11 | Harzilein | Caelum: i don't have a latitude |
| 23:19.15 | pakal | Hi, Im tryingg to change my testing debian from apache 1.3 to Apache2 |
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| 23:19.25 | Harzilein | Caelum: i'm the one with the compaq and siemens 486s |
| 23:19.38 | bjorn | how do I add acpi support to my kernel? |
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| 23:19.54 | Caelum | Harzilein: oh sorry. Overfiend is the debian X team leader |
| 23:20.07 | Harzilein | Caelum: and i'd like a list of supported usb2 pcmcia cards ;) |
| 23:20.15 | Harzilein | Caelum: ah |
| 23:20.21 | Caelum | bjorn: build a new one with acpi support, or use one of the packaged kernels, they all have acpi support |
| 23:20.57 | bjorn | Caelum: how did I manage to install one without acpi support?! |
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| 23:21.15 | bjorn | I mean, I went with all the defaults during the debian net-install |
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| 23:21.30 | bjorn | my dmesg shows acpi related messages of a postitive nature |
| 23:21.41 | Mortalman | dspstv: And these modules come binary only? no source or patch? |
| 23:21.42 | Caelum | bjorn: then you have ACPI support |
| 23:21.53 | quetK | sorry, whitch plugin (ns7 or ns7/gcc29) i need to use java in firefox? |
| 23:22.04 | notMyUserAccnt | is there a prog that tells you what your battery status is |
| 23:22.07 | notMyUserAccnt | in the command line |
| 23:22.14 | nvz | notMyUserAccnt: cat |
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| 23:22.16 | notMyUserAccnt | i just want to make sure i have acpi support |
| 23:22.25 | bjorn | yet running "acpi" at the command line results in an error: No ACPI support in kernel or wrong acpi_path |
| 23:22.40 | xerophyte | does anybody use shorewall if so how can i block all the traffic one certain ip alias on the same interface .. i mean i have around 31 ip alieas i wanna block all the traffic for one ips .. how can i do it .. i made update eth0:ip in the hosts file then used the poicfy file to block all the traffic but it snot working is there any other way i can do it |
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| 23:22.53 | Caelum | bjorn: try loading some acpi modules like: button, thermal, battery, processor, ac, fan |
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| 23:23.04 | bjorn | nogMyUserAccnt: that is what I am trying to do! it should be acpi --battery |
| 23:23.13 | bjorn | Caelum: how? |
| 23:23.14 | dspstv | Mortalman, you can find sources in kernel 2.6.10 but not in debian as far as i can see after 2 days of asking and searching here and there |
| 23:23.15 | Caelum | bjorn: maybe you'd have better luck installing a 2.6 kernel |
| 23:23.17 | nvz | notMyUserAccnt: cat /proc/acpi/batter/BAT1/status or the like |
| 23:23.26 | nvz | notMyUserAccnt: use the tab key. |
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| 23:24.15 | dspstv | Mortalman in this page they suggest a very wierd thing http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/pipermail/yellowdog-general/2002-September/003871.html |
| 23:24.19 | graham | anyone know the name of the package installer gui that is loaded after first install? |
| 23:24.28 | notMyUserAccnt | pretty sure that i dont have acpi support |
| 23:24.36 | notMyUserAccnt | acpi doesnt find a status |
| 23:24.41 | Caelum | bjorn: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.13 |
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| 23:25.05 | bjorn | Caelum: yeah, I'm installing a 2.6 kernel now |
| 23:25.18 | zweideutig | When I run alsaconf, it starts with: modinfo: snd: no module by that name |
| 23:25.26 | zweideutig | What am I missing> |
| 23:25.31 | nvz | snd |
| 23:25.48 | dspstv | Mortalman, someone even suggets this: This is due to Debian's issues, nothing that I, as the kernel driver |
| 23:25.48 | dspstv | maintainer can do about that. Perhaps you should switch to a different distro? :) |
| 23:25.49 | zweideutig | Do I need to recompile my kernel to obtain snd? |
| 23:25.54 | Mortalman | dspstv: I would suggest you get the source for 2.6.10 along with the corresponding patch/source for what you wnt and compile from scratch, but..... the link you posted is not all that weird and may very well work with no problems. It's basicly just pathing the kernel source. |
| 23:25.55 | nvz | zweideutig: what does uname -r say? |
| 23:26.02 | fo0 | Anyone use madwifi for atheros chipset please ? |
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| 23:26.13 | nvz | !anyone use |
| 23:26.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 23:26.32 | Mortalman | *patches |
| 23:26.48 | dspstv | Mortalman, i try that manual patch, but when i do make menuconfig i dont see the Keyspan options |
| 23:26.55 | magyar | Caelum, it wont build when i specify "file.dsc" i have to cd to source directory and than "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -aamd64 -b" |
| 23:26.58 | notMyUserAccnt | when i built my modules in my kernel, i had a bunch of errors at the end...a lot of stuff in the menu config defaulted to being selected... |
| 23:27.12 | zweideutig | 2.4.27-2-586tsc is uname -r |
| 23:27.15 | notMyUserAccnt | should i try again selecting just the essentials? |
| 23:27.35 | zweideutig | I have a 100 MHz Pentium CPU. |
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| 23:27.39 | Morti | !ubuntu |
| 23:27.39 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 23:28.08 | pacman | apt sure has a big bug list. |
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| 23:28.21 | Mortalman | dspstv: Then I would difinatly go with the 2.6.10 or even see if the same patch/source will work with the latest kernel. |
| 23:28.22 | zweideutig | nvz: 2.4.27-2-586tsc is uname -r |
| 23:28.24 | nvz | zweideutig: that kernel doesnt have ALSA support probably |
| 23:28.33 | SimonRaven | notMyUserAccnt: a) make sure you have module-init-tools installed if building a 2.6.x kernel b) make sure you're not using a 2.4.x .config for a 2.6.x c) make sure your config is up to date by running make menuconfig d) build with kernel-package package. it does All the Right Things |
| 23:28.40 | nvz | zweideutig: its only built-in on 2.6 kernels |
| 23:28.45 | zweideutig | nvz: So, use apt-get to find one that does? |
| 23:28.50 | Mortalman | dspstv: Most likely it will work with the latest. |
| 23:28.56 | nvz | zweideutig: you would have to use OSS or install one of the 2.6 kernel packages |
| 23:28.57 | zweideutig | Oh, okay, I'll switch the kernel. |
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| 23:29.06 | zweideutig | nvz: Thanks. |
| 23:29.08 | nvz | zweideutig: or install the alsa-modules for your kernel |
| 23:29.09 | bjorn | okay, 2.6 kernel installed, now what? |
| 23:29.11 | jelly | zweideutig: instal alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-586tsc ? |
| 23:29.55 | Mortalman | If I ssh into a remote box and run an X app that displays localy and tries to open /dev/video... it's refering to /dev/video on the remote box, right? |
| 23:30.02 | dspstv | Mortalman im trying in 2.6.12 where they are not present. kernel 2.6.13 has them but ipw2100 (my wifi card) is not suppported :S |
| 23:30.09 | notMyUserAccnt | SimonRaven i did menu config, but it had a lot of stuff selected |
| 23:30.14 | bjorn | I ran: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 23:30.26 | bjorn | do I need to reboot to run on the new kernel? |
| 23:30.40 | notMyUserAccnt | SimonRaven i didnt really change much, but it had trouble with some of the crypt modules |
| 23:30.44 | notMyUserAccnt | SimonRaven i think :-/ |
| 23:30.45 | muhoo | i upgraded an old woody box to sarge, and now ipop3d is broken |
| 23:30.53 | SimonRaven | notMyUserAccnt: sure, that's the defaults. you should make sure to go through each carefully, and read the <HELP> if you don't understand something |
| 23:30.54 | muhoo | it is rejecting USER logins. |
| 23:31.14 | magyar | is "apt-get install" can only be used with online packages or also with local .deb file? |
| 23:31.17 | muhoo | it will allow CRAM logins if i create a cram-md5 file |
| 23:31.25 | notMyUserAccnt | sweet...found a nice kernel-package tutorial |
| 23:31.27 | Mortalman | dspstv: A newer kernel lacks a driver that an older one has? weird. |
| 23:31.31 | notMyUserAccnt | brb...i'll take a gander |
| 23:31.37 | muhoo | but if i don't have a cram file there, it won't allow USER, and it shows "." for AUTH |
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| 23:31.45 | muhoo | :-( |
| 23:31.48 | nvz | Mortalman: not weird at all |
| 23:31.57 | Mortalman | nvz: how so? |
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| 23:32.11 | muhoo | how do i get LOGIN auth back on ipop3d? |
| 23:32.25 | nvz | Mortalman: names could change, drivers could be combined.. etc |
| 23:32.46 | nvz | Mortalman: thats why there are changelogs |
| 23:33.01 | Mortalman | nvz: Right, but the support is still there, right? |
| 23:33.18 | nvz | Mortalman: who knows. thats why there are changelogs. :P |
| 23:33.19 | dspstv | well in this case is certainly related to the non-commercial policy |
| 23:33.20 | magyar | muhoo, telnet localhost 1110 |
| 23:33.22 | magyar | muhoo, telnet localhost 110 |
| 23:33.28 | muhoo | i did |
| 23:33.49 | SimonRaven | notMyUserAccnt: see newbiedoc.sf.net for more info |
| 23:33.51 | nvz | Mortalman: its happened in the past that drivers changed names, combined with other drivers, or were removed all together. |
| 23:33.52 | muhoo | i get the same thing whether i telnet localhost 110 or whether i just execute "ipop3d" from shell |
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| 23:34.02 | magyar | muhoo, did you installed as a service or inetd trigered? |
| 23:34.06 | muhoo | inetd |
| 23:34.08 | SimonRaven | notMyUserAccnt: they have a nice debian-related tut for kernels |
| 23:34.15 | muhoo | well, debconf did. |
| 23:34.30 | magyar | muhoo, not good, do a reconfigure and run it as a service |
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| 23:34.38 | quetK | hello |
| 23:34.46 | Mortalman | nvz: I was entirely aware of the first two, that last one throws me off a bit, but I suppose is entirely possible. |
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| 23:35.07 | quetK | i've downloaded flashplugin-nonfree, but mozilla cant load plug in, how y can create simbolic link to flash plug in? |
| 23:35.11 | jairo | me guian a debian en espñaol por favor |
| 23:35.17 | notMyUserAccnt | what 2.6.x source would y'all suggest |
| 23:35.18 | jairo | cual es? |
| 23:35.19 | muhoo | nathan_: i already did a dpkg-reconfigure. it didn't give me the option of adding it as a service |
| 23:35.22 | SimonRaven | @spanish |
| 23:35.22 | azeem | jairo: #debian-es |
| 23:35.23 | ravenbird | spanish users: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda |
| 23:35.24 | notMyUserAccnt | for kernel-package |
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| 23:35.39 | jairo | gracias mis debianitas |
| 23:35.40 | corallis | Im trying to use the debian net install CD to install debian sarge on my laptop... I've used this CD on this laptop a few times before with no problem, but now for some reason apt keeps telling me that it encountered an error when it was downloading packages... anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 23:35.42 | SimonRaven | notMyUserAccnt: latest stable one |
| 23:35.52 | jelly | quetK: did you restart mozilla? |
| 23:35.54 | SimonRaven | notMyUserAccnt: or, latest debian one |
| 23:35.58 | notMyUserAccnt | also...where do you get kernel "source" |
| 23:36.00 | quetK | yes i did |
| 23:36.44 | notMyUserAccnt | well...specific to debian |
| 23:36.44 | muhoo | oh wait. i reconfigured libclient. |
| 23:36.48 | jelly | quetK: ho-hum. Did the thing download and install the .bin or .rpm or whatever it was? |
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| 23:37.34 | magyar | muhoo, Run popa3d in standalone mode? , thats what i am getting |
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| 23:37.45 | muhoo | popa3d? or ipop3d? |
| 23:37.53 | muhoo | there is no popa3d |
| 23:38.04 | EfaistOs | crafty is not available in unstable ? |
| 23:38.09 | magyar | muhoo, oops sorry wrong package |
| 23:38.14 | jelly | quetK: I have this in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins: libflashplayer.so -> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so ... but the -nonfree package made the link for me. |
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| 23:38.29 | magyar | muhoo, i had issues with ipop3d so i switched to popa3d |
| 23:38.31 | pacman | well, I figured out the apt-get bug that was screwing me. An md5sum match is not good enough - if the mtime of the file doesn't match, it gets blown away and re-downloaded. |
| 23:38.33 | Mortalman | quit |
| 23:38.42 | quetK | jelly, ok, thanks, i thinks i need do the link myselft |
| 23:38.44 | quetK | myself |
| 23:38.56 | magyar | muhoo, you will not be able to login to ipop3d with clear text passowrd |
| 23:39.19 | muhoo | gah. |
| 23:39.20 | magyar | muhoo, it will error put |
| 23:39.28 | magyar | error out |
| 23:39.29 | muhoo | that's what docs say. and... i don't *like* that. |
| 23:39.33 | muhoo | i want it to do what i want :-) |
| 23:39.41 | muhoo | not what it tells me it will not do. |
| 23:39.45 | magyar | muhoo, rfc's |
| 23:39.53 | muhoo | LOGIN has been deprecated? |
| 23:40.08 | magyar | muhoo, try popa3d |
| 23:40.09 | jelly | muhoo: ... is that ipop3d from university of Washington? |
| 23:40.10 | muhoo | hmm. ok, well this is a local network. i guess i can make them do APOP |
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| 23:40.14 | pacman | LOGIN was a Micros~1 invention. AUTH PLAIN is the standard they ignored. |
| 23:40.14 | muhoo | yes |
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| 23:40.19 | quetK | jelly, now its working, thanks to you ;) |
| 23:40.26 | jelly | muhoo: there's a workaround |
| 23:40.28 | nvz | I wonder if they marketed that soundtrack to Team America: World Police... I cant stop singing it and its been a week or so since I watched it |
| 23:40.44 | Caelum | nvz: I have to see that movie now |
| 23:40.45 | muhoo | will do, thanks. |
| 23:40.46 | nvz | those stupid songs crack me up |
| 23:40.52 | dspstv | nvz, Mortalman since the sources i need are present in kernel 2.6.13 but not in 2.6.12 (USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN) will it be possible to use them cp to drivers/usb/serial/ under 2.6.12? |
| 23:40.56 | magyar | jelly, sure there is but it will crash daily |
| 23:41.02 | dspstv | or that will be of no use |
| 23:41.04 | dspstv | ? |
| 23:41.05 | muhoo | it doesn't allow AUTH PLAIN either |
| 23:41.11 | nvz | dspstv: nope |
| 23:41.11 | magyar | jelly, i had to HUP mine every day |
| 23:41.15 | jelly | muhoo: edit (create) /etc/c-client.cf, and put these two lines in it: "I accept the risk" |
| 23:41.16 | muhoo | i'll try popa3d |
| 23:41.25 | muhoo | jelly: ooh. thanks |
| 23:41.31 | jelly | muhoo: "set disable-plaintext nil" |
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| 23:41.45 | jelly | muhoo: no quote chars, though. |
| 23:42.14 | muhoo | jelly: you rule. |
| 23:42.16 | jelly | muhoo: that works for their uw-imapd. |
| 23:42.18 | muhoo | thank you! |
| 23:42.28 | NyteRukh | hello |
| 23:42.36 | muhoo | indeed, i do accept the risk. this machine is on a secure, firewalled, internal corporate network |
| 23:42.50 | dspstv | nvz, do you know of a way to "fix" this, i need to work with a gps next week... and kernel 2.6.13 will break my wireless drivers |
| 23:42.52 | muhoo | port 110 isn't reachable from the outside world. |
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| 23:45.55 | notMyUserAccnt | alright the latest kernel-source that apt-get is letting me....get....is 2.6.8, is it easy to patch/upgrade kernels if you use kernel-package to install? |
| 23:46.50 | Technel | How do I change my default window manager? |
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| 23:47.01 | bjorn | okay, acpi works with the new kernel, thank you! |
| 23:47.09 | bjorn | now my next issue |
| 23:47.22 | bjorn | I have a directory in a fat32 partition that I've mounted |
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| 23:47.45 | bjorn | and any time I try to do something to it (cd into it, delete it) I get "Input/Output Error" |
| 23:47.52 | bjorn | why might that be? |
| 23:47.58 | jelly | muhoo: same here, but for uw-imapd, only squirrelmail can see it (on localhost) so I don't worry about cleartext over the network. You can read the docs in /usr/share/doc/libc-client2002edebian/README.Debian.gz, but unfortunately they don't mention the "I accept the risk" thing. |
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| 23:48.37 | whitehorse1 | hi. |
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| 23:49.48 | wilbertoki_ | I figured it out |
| 23:49.57 | whitehorse1 | Sooo, anyone have views on the new Debian Wiki(.org) ? [new as in claims fully migrated from .net site as of Oct 8th I mean] |
| 23:50.20 | steigweis | hello, i have problems to burn dvd in 8x speed. gnomebaker says, it is 8x, but its only 4x speed... i burn dvd-r 8x discs. any suggestions? |
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| 23:51.18 | Technel | What is the command to bring up the little selector for the default window manager? |
| 23:51.20 | palmax | Hello |
| 23:51.30 | plugwash | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=mediawiki&version=testing&arch=all why isn't it showing the contents of that package |
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| 23:51.54 | plugwash | http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/mediawiki <--link was from that page |
| 23:52.07 | whitehorse1 | plugwash: Last I heard mediawiki was only in unstable. New to testing I guess. |
| 23:52.11 | palmax | I want to ./configure a package, but I have a error: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!, what can I do? |
| 23:52.54 | whitehorse1 | palmax: instead relevant header files package? |
| 23:53.01 | whitehorse1 | palmax: instead=install |
| 23:53.07 | palmax | instead? |
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| 23:53.35 | plugwash | whitehorse1 so you think that part of packages.debian.org knows its in testing but another part doesn't? |
| 23:53.50 | alchem | Technel, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 23:54.33 | whitehorse1 | plugwash: hmm no that doesn't seem to fit |
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| 23:54.55 | Technel | alchem, Thanks |
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| 23:55.24 | phrontist | when I run fsck on one of my paritions, it finds errors, which I tell it to fix, and yet it says "file system unchanged" |
| 23:55.30 | palmax | whitehorse1, do you can explain it better? |
| 23:55.53 | alchem | np |
| 23:55.55 | aFlag | maybe it couldn't fix it |
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| 23:56.09 | phrontist | so what do I do? |
| 23:56.18 | whitehorse1 | plugwash: hmm I get the same error as you. hopefully page is pending a fix g |
| 23:56.19 | Mask | I want to boot with an exotic root on a computer, how can I do a minimal Debian install in a directory within a filesystem on the NFS server? |
| 23:56.32 | p3rti | someone know if rediris its a good source for my source.list? |
| 23:56.44 | aFlag | give us more information about the error |
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| 23:57.13 | whitehorse1 | p3rti: haven't heard of it myself |
| 23:57.14 | phrontist | aFlag: there is no error, it simply doesn't do anything |
| 23:57.22 | plugwash | whitehorse1 debootstrap sarge /nfsexports/sarge or something like that |
| 23:57.40 | whitehorse1 | plugwash: ? |
| 23:57.53 | plugwash | oops sorry read wrong nick |
| 23:57.59 | plugwash | that was meant for mask |
| 23:58.03 | p3rti | palmax : pero si esta actualizado? |
| 23:58.22 | aFlag | hum |
| 23:58.53 | whitehorse1 | palmax: try installing the header package if available or the dev package (ie X related) |
| 23:59.05 | |sparr| | how do i use the -exec parameter for find? |
| 23:59.11 | Mask | thanks plugwash |
| 23:59.16 | |sparr| | how do i use the -exec parameter for find? |
| 23:59.18 | sparr | sorry |
