| 00:00.17 | abrotman | !ldap |
| 00:00.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ldap is Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, see http://www.openldap.org for more information. a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. http://howto.aphroland.org/, or openldap's server is available in the slapd package |
| 00:00.39 | redtime | thx :) |
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| 00:01.35 | Guerin | !rube goldberg network is <reply> Hi, i want to connect to my wireless broadband router using my pda as a null-modem, and then the router has to vpn to my other box which is running slink, serving NAT to all my other machines over eth1394 and ipw2100, can you help me? |
| 00:01.39 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 00:02.09 | Guerin | mfrisch: yes |
| 00:02.30 | mfrisch | ok.... |
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| 00:03.29 | qzerty | Anyone know a reasonably priced debian hosting solution |
| 00:04.07 | JediMaster | qzerty: tranxactglobal.com are pretty good |
| 00:04.26 | Seb | what's vicodin (or the equivalent) called in Europe ? |
| 00:04.36 | squarepants | when i try to play midi i get open /dev/sequencer: No such device |
| 00:04.37 | Seb | i'm trying to find out if I had this stuff before... |
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| 00:05.09 | Seb | google is of no help, or I'm not asking it the right way |
| 00:05.15 | JediMaster | what's the name of the program that auto sets up the menu.lst for grub when new kernels are installed on debian? |
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| 00:05.43 | mfrisch | JediMaster make_kpkg |
| 00:05.49 | terrencevak | Sorry... Emacs went screwy on me. |
| 00:05.59 | JediMaster | mfrisch: I don't think it's that |
| 00:06.00 | Seb | terrencevak: the other way around :> |
| 00:06.10 | JediMaster | mfrisch: unless it's a program that comes in the package? |
| 00:06.12 | qzerty | JediMaster sold out of sub100.00 |
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| 00:06.25 | JediMaster | qzerty: doh |
| 00:06.33 | redtime | abrotman: http://howto.aphroland.org is functionless |
| 00:06.45 | mfrisch | JediMaster it makes the hooks for the .deb for grub to be added... |
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| 00:07.08 | terrencevak | seb Perhaps... anyway the program quit working, and I had to reboot. |
| 00:07.11 | JediMaster | mfrisch: maybe, but there's a separate program that you just run and it auto sets up grub |
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| 00:07.40 | Seb | terrencevak: wooow, rebooting cuz emacs hung ? Cmon now :> |
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| 00:08.37 | unikon | anyone use mepis |
| 00:08.49 | Piru | probably |
| 00:08.55 | terrencevak | I had asked earlier how to deal with the error I've pasted at http://channels.debian.net/paste/884, and someone had suggested that I get the proper stable version of libc6. I dcd that, and am still getting that error when I do apt-get -f install. |
| 00:08.59 | unikon | im having a problem |
| 00:09.07 | terrencevak | Seb: What, is emacs hanging up rare? |
| 00:09.38 | unikon | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.43 | unikon | there* |
| 00:09.46 | terrencevak | dcd above = did |
| 00:09.50 | Seb | terrencevak: well, never happened to me iirc, but it never should warrant a reboot: get another term and kill it |
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| 00:10.15 | anthrax[net] | how can i install hp copyjet m |
| 00:10.20 | citiznkain | hi. |
| 00:10.31 | terrencevak | seb: I can't. On this OS I'm trying to abandon, it's an integral part of the interface. |
| 00:10.41 | Seb | terrencevak: heh, gotcha |
| 00:10.44 | mfrisch | anthrax[net] how far are you? |
| 00:10.51 | unikon | terrence what os u on?? |
| 00:10.53 | rfm | JediMaster: update-grub what you are looking for? |
| 00:11.07 | JediMaster | rfm: I believe so, that looks familiar |
| 00:11.14 | JediMaster | rfm: thanks |
| 00:11.28 | anthrax[net] | mfrisch what do you mean? |
| 00:11.36 | terrencevak | unikon: Oralux. It's a modified version of knoppix that's designed to be blind-accessible from the outset. |
| 00:11.39 | citiznkain | can someone here point in the direction to configure X on my new install? Right now it boots to a default debian system that is annoying. I have a Geforce 4 TI 4200 |
| 00:11.49 | terrencevak | unikon: But I'm trying to leave it. |
| 00:12.01 | unikon | oh ok ty learn a new os every day |
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| 00:12.07 | JediMaster | woo! looks like I've managed it, a remote install of debian on a freedora box =)... I've done worse though... I was the first to install debian on a sun cobalt raq3 server completely remotely hehe |
| 00:12.14 | unikon | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.35 | unikon | www.mepis.org |
| 00:12.48 | Guerin | unikon: why? |
| 00:13.10 | Guerin | citiznkain: install x-window-system |
| 00:13.18 | unikon | well for me its simple and easyto understand its my first dip into linux |
| 00:13.20 | mfrisch | anthrax[net] I got a HP, Installed cupsys hplip, manually install hplip ppd's (my printer is newer and better supported) then configured cups worky worky |
| 00:13.25 | JediMaster | hmmm debootstrap didn't appear to create all the /dev entries, anyhow know a way to just create all the default ones? |
| 00:13.45 | citiznkain | Guerin: Right on, how I configure it to not boot to Debians GUI? I dont want it to start x basically. |
| 00:13.59 | Seb | terrencevak: you blind ? |
| 00:14.03 | Guerin | citiznkain: oh. /msg dpkg nodm |
| 00:14.15 | Guerin | citiznkain: sorry, i thought you meant the other way |
| 00:14.16 | terrencevak | seb Yes, I am. |
| 00:14.23 | citiznkain | I have X installed. |
| 00:14.32 | moyix | JediMaster: cd /dev ; ./MAKEDEV should work... if debootstrap put that script there :) |
| 00:14.33 | citiznkain | I just want to be able to install my geforce drivers |
| 00:14.45 | Guerin | citiznkain: oh. |
| 00:14.50 | Guerin | !nvidia one liner |
| 00:14.50 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 00:14.53 | terrencevak | seb Turns out I could have gone with debian to start with, if I'd only known about gnopernicus. |
| 00:15.06 | Seb | terrencevak: ok |
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| 00:15.19 | citiznkain | haha Guerin: just follow those steps? |
| 00:15.35 | azeem | terrencevak: how did you install the stable libc6 again? |
| 00:16.02 | terrencevak | azeem: I did it by hand, with dpkg -i |
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| 00:16.03 | Guerin | citiznkain: paste the whole thing into a root shell. if it fails, run it again until it runs clean |
| 00:16.10 | citiznkain | thanks bud! |
| 00:16.10 | azeem | terrencevak: ok |
| 00:16.25 | azeem | terrencevak: so what does dpkg -l libc6 now say? |
| 00:16.56 | terrencevak | azeem: ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 00:17.15 | moyix | JediMaster: or apt-get install makedev, I guess |
| 00:17.19 | citiznkain | thanks! |
| 00:17.23 | azeem | terrencevak: that is still the testing/unstable libc6 |
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| 00:17.34 | terrencevak | azeem: One odd thing now though is that it asks me to upgrade my libc6. |
| 00:17.43 | azeem | terrencevak: what do you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list as distribution? testing? |
| 00:17.56 | terrencevak | azeem: And if I don't, it won't move on... |
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| 00:18.17 | azeem | terrencevak: your system seems to be in a bad state :-/ |
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| 00:18.24 | terrencevak | azeem: Hmm... let me check that. |
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| 00:20.12 | terrencevak | azeem: It doesn't say "distribution" per se, but most of the URLs do point to testing. |
| 00:20.18 | azeem | ok |
| 00:20.23 | terrencevak | azeem: Should I change those to stable? |
| 00:20.24 | azeem | terrencevak: do you want to run testing |
| 00:20.25 | azeem | ? |
| 00:20.40 | liable | hope so :) |
| 00:20.45 | terrencevak | azeem: I'd think stable would be better. |
| 00:20.46 | azeem | terrencevak: it is hard to say, your paste snippet shows packages being upgraded to testing |
| 00:20.55 | JediMaster | does anyone know of a small floppy image linux boot disk that can be used for editing files on a ext3 partition? |
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| 00:21.06 | azeem | terrencevak: at this point, being on testing half-way, downgrading to stable might be even more risky |
| 00:21.16 | Guerin | JediMaster: something with a kernel and busybox |
| 00:21.27 | terrencevak | azeem So what would be best here? |
| 00:21.31 | JediMaster | Guerin: yes indeed, any suggestions? |
| 00:21.39 | Guerin | nope |
| 00:21.54 | azeem | terrencevak: check the versions of dpkg and apt |
| 00:21.57 | Guerin | i don't own a functional floppy drive, nor do I intend to ever do so again |
| 00:22.27 | moyix | JediMaster: tomsrtbt? |
| 00:22.36 | JediMaster | Guerin: neither do I, but I have a virtual one on a remote console I can use |
| 00:22.37 | azeem | terrencevak: if they are not those in testing (1.13.11 and 0.5.28.6), try to upgrade them first manually |
| 00:22.49 | JediMaster | moyix: thanks, I'll try that |
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| 00:23.25 | Guerin | oh, tomsrtbt is a flopy |
| 00:23.28 | Guerin | course |
| 00:23.39 | terrencevak | azeem: They're the same versions you mensioned. |
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| 00:23.54 | FliesLikeABrick | how can i make a script/file be executed before /etc/fstab is loaded? |
| 00:23.55 | drzoot|laptop | anyone know if its possible to setup a trunked interface using config options in the interfaces file? |
| 00:24.17 | azeem | terrencevak: hrm |
| 00:24.23 | nevyn | FliesLikeABrick: start it from an init script before mount local filesystems |
| 00:24.29 | azeem | terrencevak: those errors are really hard to tell |
| 00:24.38 | HeLpSysTeM | where i can find the latest sarge test netinstall |
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| 00:24.54 | abrotman | sarge is not testing |
| 00:24.58 | abrotman | !d-i HeLpSysTeM |
| 00:24.59 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah nevyn how do i do that? do rc scripts start before fstab is loaded? |
| 00:24.59 | dpkg | HeLpSysTeM, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:25.25 | nevyn | FliesLikeABrick: YES |
| 00:25.28 | azeem | terrencevak: try to export MALLOC_CHECK_=0 |
| 00:25.29 | FliesLikeABrick | thanks |
| 00:25.32 | FliesLikeABrick | woah @ caps |
| 00:25.40 | azeem | terrencevak: but beware, this might just route around the problem |
| 00:25.41 | nevyn | FliesLikeABrick: if you look at /etc/rcS.d/* |
| 00:25.46 | HeLpSysTeM | /°¤> abrotman <¤°\ well whats sarge than isn't it testing version of debian like it was for woody and tomato |
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| 00:25.56 | nevyn | you'll see that S35Mountallfs.sh or whatever the script is. |
| 00:25.59 | liable | haha |
| 00:26.00 | Guerin | tomato? |
| 00:26.01 | nevyn | make it run before that |
| 00:26.01 | abrotman | what kind of fucking stupid ass nick complete is that? |
| 00:26.06 | nevyn | so a lower number than 35 |
| 00:26.16 | FliesLikeABrick | nevyn do i just use normal update-rc.d to do it? |
| 00:26.17 | abrotman | HeLpSysTeM: no .. sarge is stable .. etch is testing |
| 00:26.21 | FliesLikeABrick | or is rcS special ? |
| 00:26.29 | terrencevak | azeem: It didn't give me any output. |
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| 00:26.34 | Guerin | FliesLikeABrick: the S stands for 'special' |
| 00:26.42 | solemn-daoc | how can i install the latest nvidia drivers? |
| 00:26.44 | zinx | abrotman: it's LeEt like HeLpSysTeM |
| 00:26.49 | abrotman | god .. i almost want to make a factoid out of that |
| 00:26.50 | FliesLikeABrick | do i use update-rc.d or something else Guerin ? |
| 00:26.55 | abrotman | like !stupid nick completion |
| 00:26.56 | nevyn | FliesLikeABrick: reaching the end of my knowledge but I'm pretty sure S starts before the "normal" runlevels |
| 00:27.01 | Guerin | FliesLikeABrick: yes. |
| 00:27.06 | azeem | terrencevak: if you 'export MALLOC_CHECK_=0', that environment variable will tell glibc not to do those malloc checks you see failing |
| 00:27.10 | solemn-daoc | anyone? |
| 00:27.13 | HeLpSysTeM | where to get etch netinstall |
| 00:27.18 | azeem | terrencevak: (I hope I looked at the right paste output) |
| 00:27.19 | nevyn | FliesLikeABrick: just hack it by hand and make a note (that's what I'd do) |
| 00:27.27 | abrotman | HeLpSysTeM: debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 00:27.29 | FliesLikeABrick | so just make my own links in rcS.d ? |
| 00:27.34 | nevyn | FliesLikeABrick: yeah. |
| 00:27.37 | FliesLikeABrick | k |
| 00:27.38 | FliesLikeABrick | sounds good |
| 00:27.45 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: see S35mountall ? |
| 00:27.49 | terrencevak | azeem: Hah!!! I think that's got it!! |
| 00:27.50 | FliesLikeABrick | yep |
| 00:27.52 | nevyn | FliesLikeABrick: don't move S35 mountall |
| 00:28.00 | nevyn | because that'll break stuff |
| 00:28.06 | FliesLikeABrick | so if i make a link to S34dosomething |
| 00:28.07 | abrotman | Guerin: can i make a stupid nick complete factoid!?!?! |
| 00:28.07 | FliesLikeABrick | i should be ok? |
| 00:28.11 | nevyn | FliesLikeABrick: sure |
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| 00:28.13 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: hopefully |
| 00:28.15 | FliesLikeABrick | thanks |
| 00:28.16 | Guerin | abrotman: you have my permission. |
| 00:28.30 | nevyn | FliesLikeABrick: what are you doing btw that needs to happen before you mount filesystems? |
| 00:28.34 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: of course .. if your script relies on anything on the filesystem .. could be rough :) |
| 00:28.38 | FliesLikeABrick | activating a RAID array nevyn |
| 00:28.42 | FliesLikeABrick | that needs to be mounted |
| 00:28.43 | abrotman | Guerin: dunno what to call it ?! |
| 00:28.55 | liable | nicktard! |
| 00:28.56 | nevyn | FliesLikeABrick: define activating for me |
| 00:29.01 | FliesLikeABrick | assembled |
| 00:29.06 | FliesLikeABrick | like mdadm -As /dev/md0 |
| 00:29.06 | Guerin | abrotman: !stupid nickcomplete $1 |
| 00:29.07 | FliesLikeABrick | and such |
| 00:29.18 | abrotman | hey .. that might work |
| 00:29.22 | nevyn | FliesLikeABrick: that should happen automagically if your partition types are correct |
| 00:29.33 | FliesLikeABrick | idk, i'm about to restart and find out |
| 00:29.36 | HeLpSysTeM | whats the differance between businesscard and netinstall |
| 00:29.37 | nevyn | you shouldn't need to do it by hand |
| 00:29.45 | nvz | HeLpSysTeM: base. |
| 00:30.00 | nevyn | FliesLikeABrick: see S25mdadm-raid |
| 00:30.06 | nvz | HeLpSysTeM: and thus size of image. |
| 00:30.06 | HeLpSysTeM | any document nvz |
| 00:30.12 | Guerin | !ig |
| 00:30.12 | dpkg | well, ig is the install guide for stable: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for woody (oldstable): http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual |
| 00:30.31 | abrotman | !stupid nickcomplete $1 is <reply>/°¤> $1 <¤°\ Isn't my nick complete really annoying? |
| 00:30.33 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 00:30.33 | FliesLikeABrick | ill look into it and get back to you guys in a couple mins nevyn Guerin abrotman |
| 00:30.40 | xixor | heh... woody... hehe |
| 00:30.42 | abrotman | HeLpSysTeM: use the netinst .. and not the businesscard |
| 00:30.52 | abrotman | !stupid nickcomplete Guerin |
| 00:30.53 | dpkg | /°¤> Guerin <¤°\ Isn't my nick complete really annoying? |
| 00:30.58 | HeLpSysTeM | /°¤> abrotman <¤°\ i wanna know the differance exactly |
| 00:31.11 | nvz | HeLpSysTeM: the smaller one has no base system, so it _must_ gain network connectivity at stage1 to fetch and install base. The other can install base off cd, and thus doesnt actually require network until stage two during base-config |
| 00:31.13 | abrotman | HeLpSysTeM: one REQUIRES you to download everything to get a base install .. the other doesn't |
| 00:31.25 | zinx | abrotman: that isn't nearly annoying enough. his wasn't UTF-8. it was ISO8859-1. |
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| 00:31.28 | zinx | (note, not -15) |
| 00:31.29 | Guerin | abrotman: nice |
| 00:31.32 | HeLpSysTeM | aha |
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| 00:31.41 | zinx | i'm actually surprised it wasn't that windows codepage.. though, maybe it is. |
| 00:31.44 | nvz | HeLpSysTeM: you want the base. |
| 00:31.51 | abrotman | zinx: hrm .. i have utf here .. change as required |
| 00:32.03 | HeLpSysTeM | /°¤> nvz <¤°\ yeah i want i was thinking of downloading the first cd of etch |
| 00:32.08 | zinx | abrotman: i'm utf-8 too, but i don't auto-convert from other character sets :/ |
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| 00:32.14 | abrotman | use the netinst .. unless you don't have broadband |
| 00:32.15 | Guerin | HeLpSysTeM: goddamn, change your fucking nickcomplete |
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| 00:32.21 | abrotman | zinx: hrm .. no idea .. |
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| 00:32.33 | abrotman | zinx: i pasted it just like i saw it :( |
| 00:32.35 | nvz | HeLpSysTeM: just in case the situation arises you have network issues, you will be able to proceed with install and work it out from a fresh debian install, instead of from busybox on a cd |
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| 00:32.56 | nvz | HeLpSysTeM: that would be incredibly stupid if such a thing even exists |
| 00:33.04 | abrotman | nvz: netinst is the same |
| 00:33.06 | Guerin | HeLpSysTeM: //¿½�> nvz <�n¿½\ -< this bit |
| 00:33.09 | FliesLikeABrick | if my /home isn't there on boot, will the system boot ok? |
| 00:33.26 | HeLpSysTeM | Guerin: try to respect ok. |
| 00:33.32 | abrotman | heheheh |
| 00:33.33 | Guerin | FliesLikeABrick: it'll only allow you to login as root |
| 00:33.36 | FliesLikeABrick | k |
| 00:33.38 | nvz | abrotman: no with the base, you can install without network connectivity and then resolve network problems from an actual base-install with real tools not busybox |
| 00:33.41 | Guerin | HeLpSysTeM: try to not be a fucktard, ok |
| 00:33.42 | abrotman | !stupid nickcomplete Guerin |
| 00:33.43 | dpkg | /°¤> Guerin <¤°\ Isn't my nick complete really annoying? |
| 00:33.44 | FliesLikeABrick | as long as ssh works for root |
| 00:33.46 | litage | is e2fsck's -D option worthwhile? do you actually see performance improvements? |
| 00:33.55 | abrotman | nvz: that's what i said ? |
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| 00:33.59 | HeLpSysTeM | /°¤> Guerin <¤°\ once u enjoy u can use winblows :p |
| 00:33.59 | Guerin | FliesLikeABrick: root's home isn't in /hom for this reason |
| 00:34.05 | HeLpSysTeM | thanks nvz and abrotman |
| 00:34.06 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah i figured :P |
| 00:34.07 | abrotman | zinx: what characters do you see? |
| 00:34.26 | zinx | abrotman: i see characters that indicate invalid encoding |
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| 00:34.36 | abrotman | zinx: i got .. slash,degree,superscript square thingie,greater than |
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| 00:34.46 | Wimpie | does anybody know where I can find xine-ui 0.9.4 package ? |
| 00:34.53 | zinx | abrotman: yeah |
| 00:34.54 | nvz | HeLpSysTeM: your nick completion is very annoying |
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| 00:35.00 | abrotman | zinx: that's wrong ? |
| 00:35.01 | zinx | abrotman: they're latin-1 / ISO8859-1 characters |
| 00:35.06 | HeLpSysTeM | nvz: i know that i'm sorry. |
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| 00:35.10 | zinx | abrotman: yours are UTF-8 encoded |
| 00:35.18 | abrotman | zinx: well damn it .. fix them or something .. |
| 00:35.20 | abrotman | :) |
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| 00:35.34 | thecoolestcow | hey, can someone help me? everything is running very slow, i think i'm out of memory. how do i know |
| 00:35.35 | abrotman | that has to be the worst nick complete i've ever seen .. and it should be recorded for history! |
| 00:35.44 | zinx | abrotman: i can't. as i said, i'm using utf-8 -- his come out invalid, and i'm not in a position where i can enter invalid encodings ;) |
| 00:35.45 | abrotman | thecoolestcow: free/vmstat |
| 00:35.53 | nvz | yeah my client ignores it and doesnt highlight that |
| 00:35.53 | Wimpie | thecoolestcow : run 'top' in a konsole |
| 00:35.56 | abrotman | resiak: fix them! |
| 00:36.21 | abrotman | zinx: so you're saying .. his come out correctly . but mine are wrong ? |
| 00:36.27 | zinx | abrotman: the other way around. |
| 00:36.31 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:36.35 | abrotman | i "fixed" them ? |
| 00:36.38 | zinx | yes |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | oh .. well . .that's ok |
| 00:36.45 | stew | thecoolestcow: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 00:36.53 | zinx | your client translated the iso8859-1 to UTF-8, and you entered them as UTF-8 to dpkg |
| 00:36.56 | abrotman | can we make that other things ... |
| 00:36.58 | zinx | mine does not translate ;) |
| 00:37.03 | abrotman | like .. /msg dpkg am i dancing |
| 00:37.08 | abrotman | like .. /msg dpkg am i drinking |
| 00:37.13 | zinx | it occurs to me that dpkg might not even accept non-utf-8 |
| 00:37.35 | terrencevak | Wow! I didn't know you coulduse mouse on a console! |
| 00:37.37 | Guerin | previously, dpkg didn't accept non-iso8859-* |
| 00:37.46 | Guerin | terrencevak: sho'nuff |
| 00:37.47 | abrotman | terrencevak: dont' tell anyone else |
| 00:37.49 | zinx | Guerin: how can it tell? |
| 00:38.04 | Guerin | zinx: try to teach dpkg some utf |
| 00:38.05 | Guerin | 8 |
| 00:38.21 | abrotman | so wait .. the factoid i made is ok ? |
| 00:38.24 | Guerin | he should say that he won't learn illegal characters |
| 00:38.34 | Guerin | but maybe don hacked utf-8worthiness in |
| 00:38.37 | nse | hello verybody, somewhere in this page: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_02_01.html somebody said something about text console mode with mouse.. "..text console mode, which looks like DOS with mouse" I never heard anything like text mode with mouse, what's the point of a mouse pointer in text mode? |
| 00:38.39 | terrencevak | Well, this is the first time I've ever seen one. And what's odd is that it workis on the original system! |
| 00:38.43 | zinx | maybe it doesn't allow 0x80 to 0x80+0x20-1 |
| 00:38.50 | zinx | or didn't |
| 00:38.59 | Guerin | nse: same as the point of it in X - select, click, paste |
| 00:39.03 | liable | nse: pasting? |
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| 00:39.10 | Guerin | nse: install gpm if you want it |
| 00:39.10 | abrotman | are nse and terrencevak conspiring? |
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| 00:39.34 | terrencevak | I'd love to know why one would have a ... Oh! Wow! How do you paste with a mouse? I didn't know you could do that! |
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| 00:39.42 | abrotman | why does nse seem familiar |
| 00:39.47 | Guerin | the wonders of free software, eh |
| 00:39.49 | abrotman | terrencevak: middle click |
| 00:40.08 | nse | oh shit.. you're talking about mouses in console... |
| 00:40.20 | Guerin | mices |
| 00:40.21 | abrotman | wait til the rats show up |
| 00:40.46 | abrotman | guess his vm killed his irc client |
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| 00:41.06 | terrencevak | wHat's ted th commanhe command to apply a patch? |
| 00:41.12 | abrotman | patch |
| 00:41.26 | terrencevak | And s |
| 00:41.40 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman Guerin nevyn my RAID arrays arent assembling correctly at boot without an init script to do mdadm -As /dev/md0 |
| 00:41.43 | FliesLikeABrick | any idea why? |
| 00:41.48 | terrencevak | Sorry... my braille terminal's messed up; that's what I need to apply the patch to. |
| 00:41.53 | abrotman | because .. swraid .. sucks ? |
| 00:41.55 | Guerin | FliesLikeABrick: i know as much about raid as I do about square dancing |
| 00:41.57 | FliesLikeABrick | terrencevak you're blind? |
| 00:42.09 | terrencevak | So if there's weird characters, that's why. ... |
| 00:42.10 | Guerin | which is to say, fuck all |
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| 00:42.14 | terrencevak | FliesLikeABrick: Yep. |
| 00:42.20 | abrotman | braille .. mouse .. ? |
| 00:42.23 | FliesLikeABrick | terrencevak thats really cool that you're into this and blind |
| 00:42.32 | abrotman | i'm confused |
| 00:42.47 | abrotman | err Lyta |
| 00:42.52 | terrencevak | FliesLikeABrick: Well, I got frustrated with Windows, so I moved to linux. |
| 00:42.59 | nse | I'm confused about xorg in etch, dpkg is giving me paradoxal factoids. |
| 00:43.10 | FliesLikeABrick | terrencevak good braille support in linux? |
| 00:43.12 | abrotman | wait til the oxymoron factoids appear |
| 00:43.20 | terrencevak | Lyra? Who's lyra? |
| 00:43.22 | FliesLikeABrick | terrencevak if you're seriously blind, you have tons of respect from me |
| 00:43.26 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: i know a woman with total blindness that has used linux .. for 5 years or so |
| 00:43.36 | Guerin | terrencevak: i'm pretty impressed. You're much more capable of communication in text than most sighted people we get in here |
| 00:43.41 | abrotman | debian (derivative?) iirc |
| 00:44.20 | abrotman | terrencevak: Lyta .. a person i know that is totally sightless that has used linux for a long time |
| 00:44.20 | terrencevak | Well, there's oralux, which is a derivitive of debian, but it's driven me a bit crazy lately. |
| 00:44.42 | azeem | there's at least one blind DD, I think there are a couple |
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| 00:44.58 | abrotman | azeem: or at least they pretend not to see those emails :) |
| 00:45.05 | Guerin | hah |
| 00:45.12 | terrencevak | dd? |
| 00:45.17 | abrotman | !dd |
| 00:45.17 | dpkg | [dd] man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
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| 00:45.18 | azeem | terrencevak: debian developer |
| 00:45.20 | abrotman | grr |
| 00:45.30 | seungrye | hi |
| 00:45.35 | terrencevak | Ah, gotcha. |
| 00:46.47 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman Guerin nevyn my RAID arrays arent assembling correctly at boot without an init script to do mdadm -As /dev/md0 |
| 00:46.55 | FliesLikeABrick | any bright ideas? |
| 00:46.59 | terrencevak | aaaOK, gotta go fight with this thing. |
| 00:47.06 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: i would never use swraid .. and wouldn't be able to help you here |
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| 00:47.19 | FliesLikeABrick | sorry abrotman didnt mean to highlight you all again |
| 00:47.19 | abrotman | Guerin: did we just get trolled ? |
| 00:47.27 | FliesLikeABrick | just meant to pose the question for everyone |
| 00:47.31 | abrotman | pseubodo1: party! |
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| 00:48.53 | Guerin | FliesLikeABrick: i know as much about raid as I do about square dancing; which is to say: fuck all |
| 00:49.04 | Guerin | FliesLikeABrick: i hope you read it this time |
| 00:49.05 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah Guerin didnt mean to highlight you that time |
| 00:49.15 | FliesLikeABrick | i meant to pose the question but by accident pasted it with your nick in it |
| 00:49.34 | abrotman | Guerin: you lie .. i've seen the movies :) |
| 00:49.56 | googleBoy | I have 4 IDE slots.... two of them covers the two hard drives... the other one, I have a cdrom and would like the 4th one to hold a hard drive.... which should be /dev/hdc. But, it didn't happened... I tried to fdisk /dev/hdc, the error says: "Unable to open /dev/hdc |
| 00:50.13 | googleBoy | how do I find out if the system at least sees a drive? |
| 00:50.13 | FliesLikeABrick | googleBoy maybe it is hdd ? |
| 00:50.18 | googleBoy | hm |
| 00:50.23 | FliesLikeABrick | googleBoy do fdisk -l |
| 00:50.28 | abrotman | googleBoy: dmesg should tell you |
| 00:50.29 | FliesLikeABrick | hdc might be your cdrom |
| 00:50.33 | Guerin | abrotman: i am not RMS |
| 00:50.33 | abrotman | and your bios will tell you where it is |
| 00:50.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:50.39 | nse | When I'm in graphical mode and want to change to other user hiting Alt+F2 my x session seems to dessapear, or at least seem to be running but I can't bring it when I'm back. What to do? |
| 00:50.55 | abrotman | nse: alt+f7 ? |
| 00:51.28 | phogg | If you hit ALT+F2 in X it is doubtful that you get to console |
| 00:51.46 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f2 .. ctrl-alt-f7 .. whatever :) |
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| 00:52.30 | googleBoy | FliesLikeABrick, it doesn't say anything about an extra drive |
| 00:52.35 | googleBoy | darn it. |
| 00:52.41 | FliesLikeABrick | anyone know how to go about setting up autodetection for raid? |
| 00:52.47 | phogg | abrotman: Yeah, but he didn't *say* that. Maybe something funky really happens on alt+f2 |
| 00:52.55 | nse | abrotman: hitting alt+f7 would do what? |
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| 00:53.16 | c_olin | how can I configure my internet in Debian? |
| 00:53.23 | abrotman | nse: maybe .. |
| 00:53.28 | abrotman | !tell c_olin about interfaces |
| 00:53.29 | nse | phogg: yes it does... |
| 00:53.30 | FliesLikeABrick | c_olin /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:53.40 | phogg | nse: usually it would switch back to X |
| 00:53.42 | FliesLikeABrick | and google |
| 00:54.00 | phogg | nse: what do you see when you do ALT+F2? The console login prompt? |
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| 00:54.09 | abrotman | that damn loser Colon |
| 00:54.09 | sylvisj | Alright. That nvidia oneliner is helping. |
| 00:54.18 | sylvisj | My only problem is that xserver-xfree86 isn't set up. |
| 00:54.23 | Guerin | sylvisj: get your network problems sorted? |
| 00:54.23 | nse | phogg: It would switch back to x, but to the same working place in the text mode |
| 00:54.43 | googleBoy | hdd is my cdrom, so I thought the secondary hard drive might be hde... but doesn't see it. can someone tell me another way to approach this hard drive? thanks. |
| 00:54.44 | sylvisj | Guerin: Yes I did. For some reason, on that computer, I have to keep switching ethernet ports. One only works for windows, the other only for linux. Odd as hell, I konw. |
| 00:54.45 | nse | phogg: yes, the console login prompt. gdm is installed and running |
| 00:54.45 | phogg | nse: you're not making much sense |
| 00:54.57 | sylvisj | Alright - Apt-get uses .deb files, right? |
| 00:54.58 | nse | phogg: why? tell me more.. |
| 00:55.05 | Guerin | sylvisj: wtf |
| 00:55.05 | abrotman | googleBoy: it would be hda,hdb,hdc or hdd .. check your bios |
| 00:55.10 | Guerin | sylvisj: right |
| 00:55.11 | phogg | nse: so what's the problem? You can get to the console and back to X. What did you want? |
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| 00:55.19 | abrotman | googleBoy: or check in dmesg |
| 00:55.29 | sylvisj | Guerin, alright, thx. Gonna download a .deb file for xserver-xfree86 and apt-get it from there. |
| 00:55.36 | abrotman | liable: HELP! |
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| 00:55.47 | Guerin | sylvisj: no |
| 00:55.52 | googleBoy | abrotman, I tried dmesg but it only shows hda, hdb, hdd(cdrom)... |
| 00:55.52 | sylvisj | ? |
| 00:55.57 | Guerin | sylvisj: install x-window-system |
| 00:55.58 | phogg | sylvisj: apt-get gets the .deb for you |
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| 00:56.04 | Guerin | sylvisj: using apt-get |
| 00:56.04 | FliesLikeABrick | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-7.html <-- section 7.2 talks about autodetection and has 3 steps but no details, does anyone know enough to elaborate on them? |
| 00:56.05 | nse | phogg: when I hit alt+f1 it goes back to a console mode. x seems to be running but nothing in the screen. |
| 00:56.06 | abrotman | googleBoy: check in your bios |
| 00:56.08 | sylvisj | Alright, thx, guerin. |
| 00:56.12 | phogg | abrotman: danke |
| 00:56.16 | googleBoy | k |
| 00:56.19 | Guerin | sylvisj: x equires more than just an x server; it requires some libs and clients as well |
| 00:56.21 | abrotman | phogg: now hit him with it |
| 00:56.23 | sylvisj | Gonna try it. x-window-system |
| 00:56.33 | magyar | how do i find out which shell is in use? |
| 00:56.34 | solemn-daoc | when will nvidia 76** be in the stable repo? |
| 00:56.36 | TML | googleBoy: So hda is Primary IDE, Master; hdb: Primary IDE, Slave; hdd: Secondary ID, Slave |
| 00:56.40 | Guerin | magyar: help |
| 00:56.41 | sylvisj | Alright. That might be why it was saying dependancies missing. |
| 00:56.45 | Guerin | sylvisj: never. |
| 00:56.48 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:56.51 | Guerin | solemn-daoc: never. |
| 00:56.55 | abrotman | magyar: echo $0 .. in most shells |
| 00:56.55 | solemn-daoc | -_- |
| 00:56.59 | solemn-daoc | when? |
| 00:56.59 | phogg | nse: And if you then hit alt+f7? Do you not get X? |
| 00:57.10 | sylvisj | Alright, installing x-window-system. Thx guerin. |
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| 00:57.15 | Guerin | solemn-daoc: never. Stable doesn't change. |
| 00:57.20 | solemn-daoc | WTF |
| 00:57.23 | solemn-daoc | why not?!? |
| 00:57.25 | abrotman | Guerin: it does ... |
| 00:57.28 | Guerin | solemn-daoc: it's STABLE. |
| 00:57.31 | solemn-daoc | -_- |
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| 00:57.40 | abrotman | solemn-daoc: it does .. but mostly only for security or *severe* bugs |
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| 00:57.43 | magyar | thanks |
| 00:57.44 | Guerin | solemn-daoc: until the next stable is released, in 1-2 years time |
| 00:57.46 | TML | solemn-daoc: You'll most likely have to wait until etch goes to stable |
| 00:57.52 | solemn-daoc | crap |
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| 00:58.03 | solemn-daoc | will nvidia 76** then be included? |
| 00:58.08 | phogg | Guerin: you're quite the optimist |
| 00:58.15 | nse | phogg: I'm afraid of doing this and losing my x session. can i do it? I'm using GNOME. |
| 00:58.16 | solemn-daoc | so i can actually play daoc |
| 00:58.22 | Guerin | solemn-daoc: well, since nvidia drivers aren't free software, they'll NEVER be in stable. |
| 00:58.23 | abrotman | phogg: if vorlon has his way ..... |
| 00:58.24 | c_olin | Anyone have any idea why my port 22 shows up as filtered when I have ssh running on port 22 and i have port 22 properly forwarded to my computer? |
| 00:58.31 | TML | solemn-daoc: doac? |
| 00:58.36 | Guerin | solemn-daoc: I wasn't joking. |
| 00:58.46 | solemn-daoc | Guerin: funny, i installed from stable earlier |
| 00:58.53 | phogg | nse: in a normal situation switching to console with ctrl+alt+f2 and back to X with alt+f7 will harm nothing |
| 00:59.02 | bitlogic | I'm using grub and I had no problems, but after some mess on my debian box, I can now boot with linux 2.4.18 and not 2.6.x |
| 00:59.03 | phogg | abrotman: I wont hold my breath |
| 00:59.07 | AlexanRO | trying to install the latest klamav, i am using kernel-2.6.12-1 where do i find kernel-source-2.6.12-1? |
| 00:59.18 | Guerin | solemn-daoc: non-free isn't officially debian |
| 00:59.20 | bitlogic | it stops hangs on boot |
| 00:59.24 | TML | AlexanRO: It would be kernel-source-2.6.12 |
| 00:59.37 | bitlogic | doesn't start to uncompress linux |
| 00:59.46 | bitlogic | what could it be the problem? |
| 00:59.51 | Guerin | solemn-daoc: in any case, non-free, if it still exists at next release, will probably include whatever drivers are curent at the time. |
| 00:59.59 | Guerin | not the ones which are current now |
| 01:00.14 | phogg | bitlogic: did you destroy your kernel image? Boot to 2.4 and reinstall the kernel |
| 01:00.15 | solemn-daoc | so i cant play daoc in linux for 1-2years?!? |
| 01:00.17 | solemn-daoc | ffs |
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| 01:00.24 | abrotman | we didn't say that |
| 01:00.28 | phogg | solemn-daoc: not if you use debian stable |
| 01:00.29 | AlexanRO | tml: sorry, more specifically what mirror? |
| 01:00.33 | solemn-daoc | dont anyone think debian should attempt to keep just a little up to date |
| 01:00.40 | phogg | solemn-daoc: no |
| 01:00.44 | solemn-daoc | -_- |
| 01:00.52 | bitlogic | phogg, I already did an dpkg --purge on kernel and instaled it again |
| 01:00.54 | nse | phogg: I'll try that. Let's pray. |
| 01:00.57 | TML | solemn-daoc: Debian isn't a distro that cares about being up to date. We'd rather be stable. |
| 01:00.59 | bitlogic | and still the same problem |
| 01:01.03 | solemn-daoc | erm |
| 01:01.08 | solemn-daoc | nvidia 76** IS stable |
| 01:01.19 | bitlogic | I can't figure out what's the problem |
| 01:01.19 | phogg | solemn-daoc: being up to date as nasty side effects. If you want bleeding edge don't use stable. |
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| 01:01.26 | FliesLikeABrick | how active is debian development? |
| 01:01.34 | welson | anyone knows of iso image repair tool? |
| 01:01.35 | TML | FliesLikeABrick: 17 |
| 01:01.36 | Guerin | solemn-daoc: it's never going to change? really? |
| 01:01.38 | solemn-daoc | FliesLikeABrick: not active at all |
| 01:01.49 | Guerin | FliesLikeABrick: new updates daily |
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| 01:01.58 | phogg | FliesLikeABrick: way more active than you'll ever be |
| 01:02.04 | solemn-daoc | daily updates?? |
| 01:02.07 | FliesLikeABrick | quite the variety of responses lol |
| 01:02.08 | solemn-daoc | since when? |
| 01:02.09 | Guerin | solemn-daoc: of course. |
| 01:02.10 | octoberdan_ | aaah! Some how everything in /usr/bin just disapeared... |
| 01:02.15 | Guerin | solemn-daoc: since forever? |
| 01:02.15 | bitlogic | phogg, is there any debug on grub boot? |
| 01:02.17 | phogg | solemn-daoc: since 1995 |
| 01:02.19 | TML | solemn-daoc: Guerin is referring to unstable |
| 01:02.23 | solemn-daoc | oh |
| 01:02.25 | nse | phogg: It did it! Does alt+f7 goes to a graphical mode always. if there are more than one, which one it goes first? is there any other hotkey which is worth knowing now? |
| 01:02.30 | FliesLikeABrick | yeah, but at least they're working on unstable |
| 01:02.31 | phogg | bitlogic: not sure. Checked its manual? |
| 01:02.31 | octoberdan_ | Is there anyway to recover? |
| 01:02.41 | octoberdan_ | I'm freaking out |
| 01:02.44 | abrotman | octoberdan_: your back up of course |
| 01:02.47 | phogg | nse: F7 is the first X session. F8 is the next, and so on |
| 01:02.51 | octoberdan_ | oi.. |
| 01:02.54 | phogg | nse: normally you wont run more than one, or maybe two |
| 01:03.01 | abrotman | octoberdan_: or you can try to reinstall your packages |
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| 01:03.12 | abrotman | !tell octoberdan_ about reinstall |
| 01:03.13 | TML | nse: alt+f<x> goes to vc <x>. Most boxes only run 6 vcs, so 7 is X |
| 01:03.13 | Guerin | solemn-daoc: if stable is too old for you, use testing, which is updated daily, but it less liable to horrible breakage than unstable. |
| 01:03.18 | welson | octoberdan_, you can reinstall your dpkg --get-selections |
| 01:03.18 | nse | !br |
| 01:03.19 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:03.20 | Guerin | !tell solemn-daoc about releases |
| 01:03.29 | FliesLikeABrick | !tell FliesLikeABrick about releases |
| 01:03.32 | FliesLikeABrick | cool bot |
| 01:03.39 | abrotman | !botsnack |
| 01:03.41 | bitlogic | phogg, there's a debug command. I'll try it |
| 01:03.42 | solemn-daoc | i need xfree86 |
| 01:03.49 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 01:03.49 | solemn-daoc | so i have to use stable |
| 01:03.50 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 01:03.50 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 01:03.56 | abrotman | no more botsnack ? |
| 01:04.01 | abrotman | !snack |
| 01:04.01 | dpkg | Yess, pleaaaaaaaase |
| 01:04.06 | abrotman | whatever |
| 01:04.09 | phogg | solemn-daoc: youa re aware that X is in testing and unstable, too? |
| 01:04.14 | abrotman | xorg |
| 01:04.15 | solemn-daoc | xorg is |
| 01:04.21 | solemn-daoc | not xfree |
| 01:04.26 | bitlogic | phogg, anyway do you have any ideas for what is going on? |
| 01:04.49 | nse | phogg: what's the point of the ctrl in ctrl+alt+f2 to swith to the second vc. what alt+f2 would do? |
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| 01:04.55 | phogg | bitlogic: sorry, not my area |
| 01:04.58 | octoberdan_ | uh oh... I don't have dpkg... |
| 01:05.08 | phogg | nse: not if you're in X |
| 01:05.11 | TML | nse: ctrl+alt is for when you're trying to leave X |
| 01:05.12 | abrotman | bitlogic: ask #grub |
| 01:05.19 | abrotman | octoberdan_: you don't have what? |
| 01:05.31 | abrotman | octoberdan_: welcome to the world of ar |
| 01:05.38 | Guerin | solemn-daoc: why xfree, for curiosity's sake? |
| 01:05.39 | abrotman | doh . .that's in /usr/bin/ too |
| 01:05.41 | nse | TML: so, ctrl when I'm in x and just alt when I'm out of it, right? |
| 01:05.50 | solemn-daoc | xorg dont like my video card |
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| 01:05.51 | phogg | octoberdan_: get a rescue disc |
| 01:05.53 | TML | nse: Yes |
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| 01:05.56 | Guerin | solemn-daoc: which card? |
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| 01:06.03 | solemn-daoc | geforce 4000 |
| 01:06.04 | Asmodee` | how do I setup /etc/apt/sources.list to grab things out of contrib? i have added deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge contrib but this didnt work.. |
| 01:06.10 | nse | TML: would alt+f2 do anything in x? |
| 01:06.15 | abrotman | !tell Asmodee` about contrib |
| 01:06.19 | Guerin | i didn't think there were any modern cards better supported in xfree than xorg |
| 01:06.24 | TML | nse: Depends on what application is running |
| 01:06.29 | abrotman | Asmodee`: and you did `apt-get update` before trying to get form contrib .. right ? |
| 01:06.31 | bitlogic | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:06.34 | TML | nse: e.g., in KDE, that might open the "Run command" box |
| 01:06.40 | Asmodee` | abrotman: yes |
| 01:07.03 | nse | TML: Yes it does, also in GNOME. Run command |
| 01:07.04 | abrotman | Guerin: S3!! |
| 01:07.12 | TML | nse: There you go |
| 01:07.12 | abrotman | Asmodee`: and what are you trying to install ? |
| 01:07.26 | Asmodee` | vpopmail-bin |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | !info vpopmail-bin sarge |
| 01:07.50 | abrotman | !info vpopmail-bin etch |
| 01:07.53 | abrotman | !info vpopmail-bin sid |
| 01:07.55 | Asmodee` | the name of the package is vpopmail-bin_5.4.4-1_i386.deb specifically, but ive tried every combination of name for it i could think of |
| 01:07.55 | dpkg | vpopmail-bin: (vpopmail binaries), section contrib/mail, is optional. Version: 5.4.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 135 kB, Installed size: 568 kB |
| 01:07.58 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:08.05 | abrotman | it's not in sarge or etch |
| 01:08.05 | AlexanRO | can anyone tell me what mirror can i apt kernel-source-2.6.12 from? |
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| 01:08.24 | Asmodee` | so it wont work on my system or im better off just installing from source? |
| 01:08.26 | Guerin | AlexanRO: packages.debian.org |
| 01:08.28 | phogg | AlexXebian: all of them? |
| 01:08.44 | abrotman | Asmodee`: what version of debian are you using ? |
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| 01:09.07 | Asmodee` | sarge. im new to debian just started testing it out last week (been using slackware the last 7 years always installing from source) |
| 01:09.09 | AlexanRO | Guerin: ty =) |
| 01:09.28 | tga | howdy.. any idea how I can get a Synaptics Alps touchpad to do tap-to-drag? I'm using the synaptics Xorg driver with the options from the Readme |
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| 01:09.40 | abrotman | Asmodee`: maybe in another package |
| 01:09.42 | TheWahbinator | i needs help with mounting a cd-rom |
| 01:09.45 | Asmodee` | im not sure about all of these apt-get dependencies and versioning and such.. i also dont want to install from source in fear that it will mess up the apt-get system |
| 01:09.48 | TheWahbinator | /dev/cdrom doesn't exist |
| 01:09.53 | Guerin | Asmodee`: don't install from source on a debian box. If you need something which isn't in your branch of debian, you can backport it. |
| 01:09.57 | Guerin | !simple sid backport |
| 01:09.57 | dpkg | hmm... simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 01:10.17 | abrotman | !tell Asmodee` about find vpopmail sarge |
| 01:10.35 | nse | Is apropos worth using? |
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| 01:10.44 | Guerin | nse: yes. |
| 01:11.08 | Asmodee` | those appear to just be other items that refer to vpopmail, but not vpopmail itself |
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| 01:11.44 | Guerin | isn't vpopmail some awful qmail-only bastardisation? |
| 01:11.49 | abrotman | i don't know .. |
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| 01:11.56 | abrotman | i don't know anyone who uses it :) |
| 01:12.06 | abrotman | Asmodee`: it's a pop3 server ? |
| 01:12.14 | abrotman | Asmodee`: for use with qmail ? |
| 01:12.15 | Guerin | istr setting it up back when I was stupid enough to use qmail |
| 01:12.17 | Asmodee` | its a pop3 server that allows for virtual mail users |
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| 01:12.24 | Asmodee` | and yes it does work with qmail, but not strictly qmail |
| 01:12.28 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 01:12.43 | abrotman | courier and cyrus both support virtual users iirc |
| 01:13.27 | Guerin | if you ned it on sarge, it should backport trivially |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | though .. admittedly .. nothing would really depend on it .. i don't hitnk compiling it would kill you |
| 01:13.56 | nse | Guerin: Does it searches for a string in the description of each package in the database? Does it do more than that? |
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| 01:14.25 | nse | Guerin: Is my english crap? |
| 01:14.43 | abrotman | it's not scottish |
| 01:14.44 | Asmodee` | well im used to compiling everything from source on slackware, but i just dont know how it will muck with the apt-get system if i do that |
| 01:15.09 | abrotman | Asmodee`: the 'simple sid backport' works for most people |
| 01:15.18 | Asmodee` | for example, maybe ill try to install something that requires a pop3 server and it will overwrite my vpopmail because it thinks i dont have one installed |
| 01:15.37 | Asmodee` | im doing the simple sid backport as we speak, waiting for compile to finish |
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| 01:15.46 | Eddie | Hi, I'm a total newbie to Linux. I've got a basic Debian environment up and running and I really like it. I've just bought a wireless card for my laptop (which is the machine running Debian)... but I don't know how to get it working... is anybody here able to try and walk me through the process (or point me to really simple documentation that even a simple newbie will understand)????? |
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| 01:15.59 | Guerin | nse: that's precisely what it does |
| 01:16.05 | Guerin | nse: and your english is fine. |
| 01:16.06 | abrotman | Eddie: you'd have to tell us which card |
| 01:16.26 | abrotman | Asmodee`: no chance to use another pop3d ? |
| 01:16.40 | Eddie | Thanks for responding abrotman... the card is a Linksys WPC54G |
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| 01:17.05 | abrotman | that was awesome! |
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| 01:17.26 | Asmodee` | abrotman: well i just need something that allows virtual users (for both smtp and pop3). it would also be nice if it used a file that is in the same format as /etc/shadow so that i can also use the same virtual users for ftp access. if you know of any ill check them out. |
| 01:17.28 | abrotman | stew: are you watching ? |
| 01:17.49 | abrotman | Eddie: you'll have to google .. try to find the chipset/driver .. not all drivers are included in the kernel |
| 01:18.02 | phogg | abrotman: what was awesome? |
| 01:18.10 | abrotman | Eddie: http://ch.tudelft.nl/~arthur/wpc54g/ |
| 01:18.36 | abrotman | phogg: i'm watching the angels/yanks game .. the ball was close the outfield wall .. and the two fielders collided and the angels got two runs :) |
| 01:19.00 | Eddie | wow abrotman, you are a star |
| 01:19.06 | abrotman | Eddie: google rules :) |
| 01:19.10 | Eddie | I missed this doc in my search |
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| 01:19.20 | Eddie | I found some that looked quite complicated. |
| 01:19.25 | abrotman | Eddie: google "debian WPC54G driver" |
| 01:19.29 | Eddie | I'll give it a go... thanks |
| 01:19.35 | abrotman | should be tons of stuff |
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| 01:19.49 | abrotman | Asmodee`: hrm .. i'm not sure how courier works |
| 01:19.50 | phogg | abrotman: kick ass. |
| 01:19.56 | Homestramy20 | ello? |
| 01:20.12 | Guerin | Asmodee`: most virtual-user dealies use a database of some sort |
| 01:20.23 | Guerin | Asmodee`: with courier, I mean. |
| 01:20.24 | abrotman | phogg: i'm not a yanks fan :) |
| 01:20.45 | abrotman | !tell Eddie about ndiswrapper |
| 01:20.47 | Homestramy20 | this place has like, 700 people, and hardly no one is talking :| |
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| 01:20.57 | Eddie | cheers abrotman... I'll go away and see if I can follow the doc... I'll come back if I come across problems (sorry... I'm REALLY new) |
| 01:21.00 | Asmodee` | Guerin: im not totally against storing users in a SQL database. I can write a tool to write out an /etc/shadow format file when there are user modifications |
| 01:21.00 | abrotman | phogg: i'm really a sox fan ... but i'll settle for the yankees losing :) |
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| 01:21.19 | abrotman | !tell Eddie about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 01:21.46 | Eddie | Abrotman, will I need to use ndiswrapper also? Is this an extra step? or instead of the article you found for me? |
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| 01:21.54 | phogg | abrotman: Heh. Since thr Red Sox beat the Yankees so badly the last time maybe I should but old quarrels aside |
| 01:21.59 | Asmodee` | !tell Asmodee` about apt-get from hard drive |
| 01:21.59 | abrotman | Eddie: apparently you will |
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| 01:22.09 | litage_ | are there any disadvantages to using 4096 rather than 2048 bits for ssh keys? |
| 01:22.11 | abrotman | phogg: yeah .. oh well |
| 01:22.15 | Guerin | Asmodee`: yeah. SQL isn't the only option courier and postfix (etc) can use - db3, for instance. I think they can even use textfiles... |
| 01:22.18 | abrotman | litage_: "slower" |
| 01:22.26 | abrotman | FSVO slower |
| 01:22.39 | Guerin | litage_: if you need to ask, you don't need either. |
| 01:22.52 | litage_ | abrotman: what becomes slower? |
| 01:23.06 | abrotman | litage_: just use 4096 .. you'll never notice |
| 01:23.22 | Asmodee` | Guerin: well see the other thing is that I've used sendmail in the past but was going to try out qmail and vpopmail integrates with that quite well... if i go with courier or something else then I'm going to have to use exim I assume, which I've never used before either. |
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| 01:24.05 | FliesLikeABrick | is there anything bad about /home not being mounted until after the system is up? |
| 01:24.16 | abrotman | not unless your stuff you need is in there |
| 01:24.33 | Guerin | god, anything but qmail |
| 01:24.40 | abrotman | !djb |
| 01:24.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of qmail, djbdns, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See "wanker". |
| 01:24.43 | Guerin | use exim or postfix - my preference is for postfix |
| 01:24.44 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:24.51 | Asmodee` | what's wrong with qmail? |
| 01:24.51 | FliesLikeABrick | k good because i can't get my RAID to autodetect at boot |
| 01:24.53 | abrotman | postfix is the best evar! |
| 01:24.55 | Guerin | !qmail |
| 01:24.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html or ... |
| 01:25.04 | phogg | Asmodee`: use postfix. That's my $0.02 |
| 01:25.21 | litage_ | Asmodee`: i was going to use qmail, but there really aren't any benefits to qmail over postfix |
| 01:25.21 | abrotman | the best reason i know not to use qmail .. the bastard hasn't released an update in what .. 5 years? |
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| 01:25.31 | Asmodee` | phogg: postfix can easily integrate with a pop3 server and have virtual users? |
| 01:25.32 | Guerin | no |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | and you can't distribute modified source pacages iirc |
| 01:25.52 | litage_ | Asmodee`: qmail apparently lets in 3x the amount of spam, but i haven't confirmed that myself |
| 01:25.52 | Guerin | the best reason is that you have to use unofficial upstream patches to make it not be utterly broken |
| 01:25.54 | abrotman | Asmodee`: postfix can use virtual users |
| 01:25.57 | phogg | Asmodee`: not sure what you mean by virtual users, but it has a hellofa lot of features |
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| 01:26.19 | abrotman | Asmodee`: http://www.postfix.org/docs.html |
| 01:26.22 | Asmodee` | phogg: users that can use the mail services, but do not have an entry in /etc/passwd |
| 01:26.26 | Guerin | litage_: doesn't let in - it causes two dud messages to be sent for each spam recieved |
| 01:26.31 | larryBoy | how do i get xfce on deb? |
| 01:26.35 | phogg | Asmodee`: yes. Doesn't every MTA do that? |
| 01:26.37 | abrotman | phogg: the mysql user accounts usually is how it's done wiht postfix |
| 01:26.38 | Guerin | litage_: so it effectively triples the amount of spam it gets |
| 01:26.41 | larryBoy | any hints/urls? |
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| 01:26.42 | abrotman | larryBoy: install it ? |
| 01:26.45 | Asmodee` | phogg: i dont know |
| 01:26.46 | larryBoy | :-/ |
| 01:26.48 | abrotman | !info xfce4 sarge |
| 01:26.50 | litage_ | Asmodee`: use postfix. it's a heck of a lot easier to setup, configure and maintain. also, there's a much larger support base for postfix |
| 01:26.54 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs XFce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.5-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 17 kB |
| 01:26.58 | Pryon | of course, any MTA can behave badly if the admin is a moron |
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| 01:27.08 | abrotman | Pryon: you lie! |
| 01:27.08 | Guerin | Pryon: but qmail does it BY DESIGN |
| 01:27.36 | steigweis | can you please dcc me the courier font? |
| 01:27.38 | Guerin | Pryon: you really have to go out of your way to make exim or postfix accept a message before bouncing it |
| 01:27.39 | litage_ | Guerin: ah that makes sense |
| 01:27.42 | Guerin | steigweis: no. |
| 01:27.45 | steigweis | it is not displayed here |
| 01:27.48 | phogg | Pryon: that's nonsense. I'm a moron and yet postfix keeps working. |
| 01:27.57 | Pryon | heh |
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| 01:28.01 | abrotman | Pryon: he's right |
| 01:28.02 | litage_ | Asmodee`: also, qmail lets in *every* email, regardless of whether the email address exists or not |
| 01:28.04 | Pryon | lol |
| 01:29.05 | c_olin | Anyone have any idea why my port 22 shows up as filtered when I have ssh running on port 22 and i have port 22 properly forwarded to my computer? |
| 01:29.13 | abrotman | because it is filtered |
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| 01:29.50 | c_olin | abrotman: what is filtering it? |
| 01:30.03 | c_olin | if ssh is listening on port 22 and it is forwarded on my router correctly |
| 01:30.06 | c_olin | and i have no software firewall |
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| 01:31.03 | Pryon | have you verified that it is forwarded correctly? (whatever that means) |
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| 01:31.09 | c_olin | yeah |
| 01:31.11 | c_olin | on my router |
| 01:31.16 | c_olin | hardware firewall |
| 01:31.19 | abrotman | c_olin: your firewall/router |
| 01:31.31 | c_olin | but it is open |
| 01:31.36 | abrotman | it's still filtering it |
| 01:31.38 | Guerin | c_olin: there are only three things which could be filtering it: 1) isp 2) router 3) software firewall |
| 01:31.50 | Guerin | c_olin: figure out which it is and fix it. This is not a debian problem. |
| 01:31.55 | abrotman | c_olin: it's a little linksys/netgear thing ? |
| 01:32.09 | c_olin | abrotman: yes, and ive had ssh working on slackware before |
| 01:32.21 | abrotman | c_olin: so your ssh doesn't work ? |
| 01:32.25 | c_olin | and gentoo |
| 01:32.29 | c_olin | correct |
| 01:32.34 | c_olin | but it is running |
| 01:32.37 | c_olin | and the config seems right |
| 01:32.41 | abrotman | c_olin: how many machines on your internal LAN ? |
| 01:32.44 | c_olin | 4 |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | from another machine .. telnet <debianboxIP> 22 |
| 01:33.00 | abrotman | does it connect ? |
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| 01:33.43 | abrotman | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4 |
| 01:33.48 | abrotman | string like that might pop out |
| 01:33.48 | FliesLikeABrick | is linux partition/raid autodetecting in the kernel images that are in apt? |
| 01:33.50 | c_olin | yes |
| 01:33.51 | c_olin | it works |
| 01:34.01 | Guerin | ... |
| 01:34.03 | abrotman | c_olin: so .. your debian box isn't configured wrong :) |
| 01:34.14 | Guerin | we're down to 1) and 2) |
| 01:34.23 | c_olin | :) |
| 01:34.23 | Guerin | and it's STILL not a debian problem |
| 01:34.34 | c_olin | ok.. |
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| 01:34.42 | c_olin | thanks for eliminating that possibility |
| 01:34.43 | octoberdan_ | I want to set up some shell accounts for a few friends of mine, but I'm not sure where to start... how would I go about that? |
| 01:34.59 | Guerin | octoberdan_: if you don't know where to start, you DO NOT want to do that. |
| 01:35.02 | abrotman | Guerin: we're elitist assholes! |
| 01:35.03 | FliesLikeABrick | octoberdan_ man adduser |
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| 01:35.19 | abrotman | Guerin: too late .. he's done for now |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: you mean useradd |
| 01:35.28 | Guerin | abrotman: you think you're an elitist asshole? HAH |
| 01:35.30 | FliesLikeABrick | abrotman both work |
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| 01:35.36 | abrotman | FliesLikeABrick: they are different |
| 01:35.37 | octoberdan_ | FliesLikeABrick: wont I want to do more then that? For security? |
| 01:35.37 | mebsd | wassup newbies |
| 01:35.47 | abrotman | !smack mebsd |
| 01:35.48 | octoberdan_ | FliesLikeABrick: or is that good enough...? |
| 01:35.50 | FliesLikeABrick | octoberdan_ like what? |
| 01:35.54 | mebsd | haha |
| 01:35.55 | Guerin | octoberdan_: apt-get install harden-doc |
| 01:36.02 | abrotman | !secure debian |
| 01:36.02 | dpkg | well, secure debian is at http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/host_security/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 01:36.03 | mebsd | noobs |
| 01:36.12 | abrotman | mebsd: what is wrong with you? |
| 01:36.14 | octoberdan_ | FliesLikeABrick: preventing them from viewing other people's stuff... |
| 01:36.23 | gsx22 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/885 |
| 01:36.34 | mebsd | you |
| 01:36.35 | octoberdan_ | thanks |
| 01:36.35 | Guerin | octoberdan_: security isn't something you can learn in an afternoon |
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| 01:36.49 | mebsd | you guys are too serious |
| 01:36.50 | mebsd | relax |
| 01:36.51 | abrotman | gsx22: you can't |
| 01:36.53 | larryBoy | hahah |
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| 01:37.11 | phogg | !relax |
| 01:37.13 | larryBoy | mebsd, if i were more relaxed, i'd nod off |
| 01:37.13 | abrotman | gsx22: AFAIK .. you CANNOT raid those two drives |
| 01:37.15 | mebsd | you can't turn to noob because i call you so |
| 01:37.22 | goog | Whatever happened to bash.org? |
| 01:37.33 | larryBoy | gaybash.org? |
| 01:37.40 | larryBoy | hmm, hard telling |
| 01:37.42 | gsx22 | ok just set it up as an etx 3 then? |
| 01:37.47 | Guerin | why would you even try to raid two drives of such different sizes? |
| 01:37.49 | gsx22 | ext even |
| 01:37.55 | phogg | goog: it's still around. It goes down sometimes. Also try qdb.org, or whatever it's called |
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| 01:38.03 | abrotman | gsx22: and it depends .. you can move your http docroot .. and will there be databases etc .. all kinds of things |
| 01:38.06 | gsx22 | just cuz no real reason |
| 01:38.22 | abrotman | gsx22: if you're totally uncertain .. just make one big / .. and use the 2.1 for backup(if you need backups) |
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| 01:38.41 | larryBoy | 'tis busy here |
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| 01:38.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:39.02 | larryBoy | ppl coming and going all the time...like a cathouse |
| 01:39.03 | gsx22 | so delete the /home partition and make it all / |
| 01:39.09 | abrotman | larryBoy: you can ignore those |
| 01:39.16 | FliesLikeABrick | gsx22 have you used raid before? i have a couple questions about raid on debian |
| 01:39.19 | abrotman | gsx22: it's up to you .. i have no idea what this server will do |
| 01:39.25 | Tortel | is there a package for GLX? |
| 01:39.28 | Tortel | its not working |
| 01:39.29 | Tortel | :( |
| 01:39.30 | gsx22 | its just a webserver |
| 01:39.31 | abrotman | !dri |
| 01:39.31 | dpkg | dri is probably Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri |
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| 01:39.51 | abrotman | gsx22: yes .. but webservers can have different components |
| 01:39.51 | gsx22 | FliesLikeABrick, sorry never used raid b4 |
| 01:40.01 | JediMaster | anyone any good with grub? I'm getting endless I/O errors about the floppy drive when trying to grub-install even with --no-floppy option |
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| 01:40.35 | larryBoy | phart |
| 01:40.38 | larryBoy | i am outta here |
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| 01:41.00 | astronut | what terminals have UTF-8 support? |
| 01:41.08 | phogg | astronut: uxterm? |
| 01:41.20 | astronut | phogg: generic xterm appears to as well |
| 01:41.23 | gsx22 | i'll be running and httpd, ftpd, mysql, php, cgi, perl and other web based componets |
| 01:41.25 | astronut | also want transparancy |
| 01:41.33 | abrotman | rxvt ? |
| 01:41.37 | abrotman | Eterm |
| 01:41.37 | phogg | astronut: yeah, uxterm is unicode support |
| 01:41.42 | abrotman | not true transparency |
| 01:41.42 | pure2 | konsole? |
| 01:41.48 | astronut | fake transparancy |
| 01:41.54 | astronut | don't want konsole, too bloated |
| 01:41.56 | astronut | i use aterm |
| 01:41.59 | astronut | but it doesn't like utf8 |
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| 01:42.23 | abrotman | gsx22: and you said 3GB for / .. but apache and mysql both put stuff in /var/ .. perl and php put stuff in /usr/ .. etc ... |
| 01:42.47 | abrotman | gsx22: it's all up to you .. just keep your stuff on a backup .. or use LVM .. then you can change it later |
| 01:43.03 | gsx22 | true, i should make it all / then and use 2.1 for my backup |
| 01:43.04 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 01:43.04 | dpkg | hmm... lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 01:43.12 | abrotman | dpkg: you lie! |
| 01:43.17 | gsx22 | lol |
| 01:43.39 | abrotman | dpkg: you lie! |
| 01:43.39 | dpkg | I most certainly do not! |
| 01:43.41 | astronut | abrotman: blegh (no offense) |
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| 01:43.46 | astronut | dpkg: you annoy me |
| 01:43.47 | abrotman | astronut: ? |
| 01:43.52 | astronut | abrotman: eterm |
| 01:43.56 | abrotman | astronut: you asked! |
| 01:44.08 | abrotman | astronut: you should know how to use apt-cache .. mr NM Queue :) |
| 01:44.11 | astronut | abrotman: and rxvt doesn't have UTF-8 |
| 01:44.13 | astronut | abrotman: i did |
| 01:44.16 | astronut | i didn't get many responsed |
| 01:44.33 | Tortel | !w00t |
| 01:44.33 | dpkg | w00t!!! |
| 01:44.36 | Tortel | :D |
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| 01:44.47 | astronut | astronut@debian:~$ apt-cache search utf terminal |
| 01:44.51 | astronut | eterm is NOT listed |
| 01:44.56 | abrotman | astronut: i got aterm/eterm and few others .. apt-cache search term transp |
| 01:45.08 | astronut | abrotman: oh, ya..i'm looking for UTF + transparent |
| 01:45.15 | Tortel | !:D |
| 01:45.15 | dpkg | :D!!! |
| 01:45.18 | abrotman | astronut: i think transparency is harder to find than utf |
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| 01:45.30 | astronut | abrotman: you'd be suprised |
| 01:46.18 | phogg | abrotman: utf is harder to write and not as 'cool' as transparency. |
| 01:46.25 | abrotman | this game is getting ridiculous |
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| 01:46.52 | astronut | ok, this is broken |
| 01:46.54 | astronut | mlterm |
| 01:46.55 | astronut | i start it up |
| 01:47.00 | astronut | blank, can't type anythign |
| 01:47.05 | abrotman | astronut: bad fonts? |
| 01:47.08 | astronut | stderr says font -efont-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-*-iso10646-1 couln't be loaded. |
| 01:47.09 | astronut | yep |
| 01:47.15 | astronut | i should file a bug |
| 01:47.17 | astronut | but i'm too lazy |
| 01:47.26 | abrotman | bad DD! |
| 01:47.35 | abrotman | !fixed |
| 01:47.36 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 01:47.54 | astronut | Maintainer: Tomohiro KUBOTA <kubota@debian.org> |
| 01:47.59 | abrotman | stew: are you watching?! |
| 01:48.34 | octoberdan_ | Thanks for the help by the way... |
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| 01:49.04 | octoberdan_ | How do I locate the path for a single file? |
| 01:49.11 | abrotman | locate |
| 01:49.12 | abrotman | find |
| 01:49.20 | phogg | octoberdan_: dpkg -S |
| 01:49.28 | octoberdan_ | wow |
| 01:49.31 | abrotman | last i knew .. he had no dpkg |
| 01:49.44 | octoberdan_ | abrotman: Thanks |
| 01:49.59 | octoberdan_ | I've switched over to my laptop |
| 01:49.59 | abrotman | http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=251010103 |
| 01:50.03 | Chamita_ | abrotman, how are you? I did figure out the problem I was having with the video card :) |
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| 01:50.09 | octoberdan_ | and am logged into my server setting up ftp |
| 01:50.21 | abrotman | jair: ? |
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| 01:50.35 | jair | abrotman, yes sorry :) |
| 01:50.43 | abrotman | what video card? |
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| 01:50.49 | abrotman | your computer has a video card? |
| 01:50.55 | wersh | anyone have any success at installing VMWare? |
| 01:51.04 | jair | abrotman, remember the configuration of the X server |
| 01:51.17 | abrotman | jair: vaguely |
| 01:51.20 | abrotman | wersh: #vmware |
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| 01:51.50 | jair | abrotman, the problem I was having with the "no screens found" and then the 640x400 resolution. |
| 01:51.55 | abrotman | oh .. yeah |
| 01:52.16 | zog-vsl | hello, anybody know if any Sarge netinstall CDs that have qlogic qla fibrechannel drivers (these are excluded from the stock sarge kernels) |
| 01:52.26 | jair | abrotman, ok the solution was this:http://www.chzsoft.com.ar/855patch.html |
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| 01:52.39 | Tortel | !cd |
| 01:52.40 | dpkg | methinks cd is a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory |
| 01:52.41 | abrotman | zog-vsl: then .. probably not .. afaik . sarge netinst use the kernels that sarge do ..w hy ? |
| 01:52.43 | gsx22 | i'm not use to debian i uaslly use gentoo, say i needed php with addons config into it when i run apt-get would I use the flags after it to compile the options? |
| 01:52.53 | Tortel | !duck |
| 01:52.53 | dpkg | Hhhwrraaaaaaaacckk! |
| 01:52.56 | Tortel | :D |
| 01:53.02 | octoberdan_ | ProFTPd vs Pure-FTPd ? |
| 01:53.18 | abrotman | Tortel: /msg dpkg torture |
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| 01:53.26 | abrotman | i use proftpd |
| 01:53.40 | jair | abrotman, it looks like the optiplex and some other computers with the i810 video cards on board needs to apply this patch to correct that. |
| 01:53.42 | gsx22 | i like proftpd |
| 01:53.42 | abrotman | gsx22: what? |
| 01:53.44 | Tortel | !torture |
| 01:53.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, torture is being forced to use Micros~1 products. |
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| 01:53.48 | Tortel | :O |
| 01:53.48 | abrotman | jair: oh .. that one |
| 01:53.51 | abrotman | Tortel: msg the damn bot |
| 01:53.55 | Tortel | i know |
| 01:53.58 | Tortel | its fun to |
| 01:54.00 | Tortel | !hi |
| 01:54.01 | dpkg | hello, tortel |
| 01:54.02 | Tortel | tho |
| 01:54.10 | abrotman | Tortel: really .. stop |
| 01:54.21 | Tortel | i will |
| 01:54.22 | Tortel | :( |
| 01:54.35 | abrotman | jair: it was the 855 patch or something ? |
| 01:54.41 | htedrom | hey guys i was downloading a torrent, and i ran out of space on disk....i freed up some space, but now the torrent won't resume |
| 01:55.02 | abrotman | probably because it didn't close correctly ? |
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| 01:55.10 | htedrom | it'll upload just fine, but won't download |
| 01:55.13 | gsx22 | say i want to add php, like gentoo i would get the source and compile it and use ./configure to add say GD libs, fast cgi and such, but in debian i would use apt-get? and how would i enable those to compile or do i just grab the soucre? |
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| 01:55.27 | abrotman | gsx22: apt-cache search php4 gd |
| 01:55.32 | wersh | is there any other software to use other than vmware, to install windows XP? |
| 01:55.39 | corallis | I tried to download the sarge netinstall image from http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/, but while I am sitting here installing it now it is downloading files from stable/main... shouldnt they be downloading from testing/main? |
| 01:55.50 | jair | abrotman, hold on I will tell you the exact one. |
| 01:55.51 | abrotman | no .. sarge is stable |
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| 01:56.17 | jair | abrotman, a deb-package (version 0.2) contributed by Joe Lazaro, mirrored by Tero Karvinen: http://www.iki.fi/karvinen/865patch_0.2-3_i386.deb |
| 01:56.33 | corallis | so what is testing now? |
| 01:56.37 | abrotman | !etch |
| 01:56.37 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 01:56.39 | corallis | and is there a netinstall image for it? |
| 01:56.42 | wersh | bochs? |
| 01:56.59 | Ky0tIk | i use to have an app that had a gui front end for streamripper, that would record audio streams that you played from the app. does anyone know what does this? i cant remember, i know it used streamripper to rip, but the gui had the option to save the stream.. and it played it back as well.. anyone know of something similar? |
| 01:57.06 | jair | abrotman, that is the package that will save a lot of headaches and time to the linux debian users. |
| 01:57.45 | zog-vsl | abrotman : debian excludes the driver by default as the driver contains non free fimrware, however it is possible to build kernel debs with the qla driver in it from kernel.org source, just wondering if anybody else has made a non-standard sarge netinstall iso using this driver, for those of us with dell blades just waiting to be filled with debian installs... |
| 01:58.05 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 01:58.05 | dpkg | custom netinst is probably http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD |
| 01:58.06 | jair | abrotman, and honestly I think we should add something on the bot "dpkg" for debian users having the same problem I had. |
| 01:58.12 | abrotman | !intel 865 |
| 01:58.12 | dpkg | methinks intel 865 is http://www.iki.fi/karvinen/865patch_0.2-3_i386.deb |
| 01:58.20 | abrotman | jair: is there a website for it ? |
| 01:58.33 | abrotman | corallis: yes |
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| 01:58.58 | jair | abrotman, this is the web site and it explain other patches as well http://www.chzsoft.com.ar/855patch.html |
| 01:59.04 | corallis | abrotman: where can it be found? I cant find one on the official debian page |
| 01:59.23 | abrotman | !intel 865 |
| 01:59.24 | dpkg | [intel 865] http://www.chzsoft.com.ar/855patch.html and http://www.iki.fi/karvinen/865patch_0.2-3_i386.deb |
| 01:59.24 | JayRC | typing "init 3 |
| 01:59.27 | abrotman | jair: better? |
| 01:59.29 | zog-vsl | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:59.36 | corallis | nevermind, I found it |
| 01:59.36 | abrotman | corallis: debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 01:59.39 | jair | abrotman, nice |
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| 02:00.23 | jair | abrotman, but I really appreciate all the time that you guys invest in trying to fix it with me :) |
| 02:00.41 | abrotman | jair: yeah .. i hadn't ever heard of that .. sucks .. |
| 02:00.45 | JayRC | typing "init 3" or changing the default init to 3 in /etc/inittab doesn't seem to work in debian sarge. how do I boot into a prompt instead of gdm? |
| 02:00.46 | abrotman | jair: this was in sarge or etch ? |
| 02:01.00 | abrotman | !tell JayRC about no dm |
| 02:01.03 | abrotman | !tell JayRC about nodm |
| 02:01.12 | jair | abrotman, I do not know if is needed to explain that they have to download the .deb patch and run dpkg -i xxxxxx.deb |
| 02:01.20 | abrotman | jair: we can handle that much :) |
| 02:01.34 | jair | abrotman, this was in sarge stable |
| 02:01.43 | jair | abrotman, 3.1 |
| 02:01.43 | abrotman | jair: hrm .. with xfree i guess huh ? |
| 02:01.50 | jair | abrotman, yes |
| 02:02.07 | Soeki | i think im. being packeted. is there any software firewall that would drops bad tcp packets? |
| 02:02.12 | abrotman | yeah .. if it were xorg .. i'd bug gravity .. but oh well |
| 02:02.21 | abrotman | Soeki: iptables ? |
| 02:02.44 | abrotman | JayRC: just so you know .. level 2-5 are the same in debian |
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| 02:02.52 | abrotman | by default anyways |
| 02:03.04 | Soeki | !tell Soeki about iptables |
| 02:03.06 | Soeki | :P |
| 02:03.12 | JayRC | ok, thanks for the info. will I still be able to use that computer as a X server? |
| 02:03.16 | bohemian5 | hellow brothers |
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| 02:04.08 | abrotman | JayRC: you can just /etc/init.d/gdm stop if you prefer .. or hit ctrl-alt-f1 ? |
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| 02:04.25 | Tortel | whats the command to install a downloaded .deb? |
| 02:04.33 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 02:04.40 | Tortel | that works |
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| 02:05.12 | JayRC | could I take gdm out of /etc/init.d to keep it from starting? |
| 02:05.17 | gsx22 | sorry to keep asking stupid questions, i'm using sarge net install, will this automaticly configure both cpus, so it will you both to its avantage? |
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| 02:05.45 | abrotman | gsx22: nope .. we'll cover that when it's all installed |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | JayRC: that's what dpkg told you |
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| 02:06.00 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 02:06.00 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 02:06.01 | abrotman | see |
| 02:06.17 | abrotman | JayRC: oh wait DO NOT remove a script from init.d |
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| 02:06.21 | gsx22 | alright thank you, i must say people in here are more friendly then gentoo's room |
| 02:06.42 | abrotman | don't tell them that |
| 02:06.42 | FarrisG | Can one make an existing vncserver (running gnome, xorg, the works) grab the console keyboard and use it for input in conjunction with the remote keyboard on the vncclient? |
| 02:06.56 | FliesLikeABrick | FarrisG doesn't it do that by default? |
| 02:06.59 | k-man | any idea how i can benchmark a samba server to compare with a windows xp server? |
| 02:07.00 | gsx22 | this is why i'm using debian, better help since i have never set up a duel cpu machine |
| 02:07.01 | abrotman | and don't let it get around .. or they might have another secret conversation about us and then set us free :) |
| 02:07.14 | jair | abrotman, that is if the person do not want to log in using the guis dms? |
| 02:07.18 | abrotman | k-man: i'd ask #samba |
| 02:07.19 | JayRC | yeah, but he told me to remove all dm packages. I want to be able to use this computer as a X server. I don't think you can do that without a dm package |
| 02:07.23 | zinx | k-man: it's probably illegal to benchmark windows xp's network filesystems. |
| 02:07.26 | abrotman | jair: yep |
| 02:07.33 | FarrisG | FliesLikeABrick: No, and with good reason: If you've got 25 users on a machine, all running a vncserver, you wouldn't want the console keyboard to affect all the vncservers |
| 02:07.35 | abrotman | JayRC: startx is still there |
| 02:07.41 | FliesLikeABrick | heh FarrisG k |
| 02:07.45 | k-man | oh |
| 02:07.46 | k-man | thanks |
| 02:07.50 | abrotman | JayRC: you can just shut down gdm or whatever after the machine boots |
| 02:07.50 | FliesLikeABrick | k-man just time some transfers? |
| 02:07.57 | jair | abrotman, but then you will log in using a text enviroment right? |
| 02:08.02 | abrotman | you could |
| 02:08.19 | k-man | FliesLikeABrick, yeah.. that sort of thing.. not just transfers but random access and modify too |
| 02:08.29 | jair | abrotman, but after log in it will start the kde? pr xfce-4 or fluxbox? |
| 02:08.34 | abrotman | k-man: really . i'd ask #samba |
| 02:08.43 | abrotman | jair: nothing unless you tell it to |
| 02:08.55 | k-man | abrotman, yeah, i am.. i was just answering FliesLikeABrick's question |
| 02:08.59 | jair | right I see, the goal more control? |
| 02:09.01 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:09.02 | Eddie | Hey abrotman, just thought I'd let you know.. I've been digging around on the net following your initial suggestion for me... it seems that some people have been having some problems setting up the WPC54G wireless card... but it definately can be done... the concensas of opinion does end up using the ndiswrapper as part of the solution... .anyway... I'm going to log off and take it slowly to make sure I understand each step I a |
| 02:09.25 | wireddd | whats the easiest way to rename a few thousand files that have file names like "aaaa.bbbbb.txt" to "bbbbbb - aaaaaa.txt" |
| 02:09.25 | FliesLikeABrick | gotcha k-man |
| 02:09.26 | abrotman | Eddie: that's the smartest thing i've seen anyone say all night! :) |
| 02:09.35 | FliesLikeABrick | wireddd write a php or shell script? |
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| 02:09.39 | FliesLikeABrick | using regular expressions |
| 02:09.46 | Eddie | :-) |
| 02:09.48 | jair | Eddie, what are you trying to configure? |
| 02:10.03 | abrotman | his wifi card |
| 02:10.04 | jair | Eddie, wireless router and laptop or desktop? |
| 02:10.06 | JayRC | ok, maybe I haven't completely explained what I'm trying to do. I want to make a computer boot into a terminal without a keyboard or mouse. I want to use it as a X server so I can log into it and control it from another computer. |
| 02:10.12 | wireddd | I was afraid that was the answer I was gonna get, I suck at regex |
| 02:10.13 | Eddie | WPC54G wireless card on a Sony Vaio laptop |
| 02:10.29 | abrotman | JayRC: oh .. you just want remote X ? |
| 02:10.58 | jair | Eddie, ohhh hmmm I have centrinos, and I know how to configure them very easy. |
| 02:11.03 | abrotman | wireddd: man rename |
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| 02:11.21 | JayRC | yeah, I think thats what I want |
| 02:11.35 | jair | Eddie, but when you turn on the machine the system do not shows you more than one ethx? |
| 02:11.49 | jair | Eddie, and it a pcmcia? |
| 02:11.51 | abrotman | JayRC: but you want to login remotely .. i think you have to start a DM then |
| 02:12.00 | Eddie | yes... it is pcmcia |
| 02:12.20 | jair | Eddie, you have to make sure also that you have the pcmcia drivers installed. |
| 02:12.26 | Eddie | how do I know if it shows more than one ethx? |
| 02:12.28 | jair | modules |
| 02:12.39 | jair | at the boot process |
| 02:12.47 | Eddie | ooooo... I'm VERY new to linux... this is going to take me a while :-) |
| 02:12.56 | jair | or lspci -a |
| 02:13.01 | JayRC | yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. A dm won't start with no keyboard or mouse. that's why I want to boot into a terminal. |
| 02:13.19 | jair | Eddie, no, not that hard |
| 02:13.32 | jair | Eddie, do this: #lspci |
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| 02:13.55 | jair | Eddie, as root and paste it in www.pastebin.com and then send it to here #debian |
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| 02:14.17 | JayRC | Of course, I haven't tried to edit my config file for X and take out the mouse or keyboard to see if that will work. |
| 02:14.27 | jair | Eddie, and also do this command in the terminal: root#iwconfig |
| 02:14.35 | jair | Eddie, and also do this command in the terminal: root# iwconfig |
| 02:15.11 | Eddie | ok... what is pastebin? |
| 02:15.14 | abrotman | jair: he can't |
| 02:15.20 | abrotman | jair: he hasn't set up his card yet |
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| 02:16.01 | jair | abrotman, so then he have to make sure the module of start the pcmcia is active right. |
| 02:16.10 | abrotman | jair: he said he was going to read .. don't rush him |
| 02:16.25 | wuming | what should I apt-get, I want install gcc development |
| 02:16.30 | abrotman | !b-e wuming |
| 02:16.31 | dpkg | wuming: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 02:16.40 | jair | Eddie, pastebin.com is a place where you can paste the results of a command without flood the channel and get kick out. |
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| 02:16.49 | Eddie | I don't mind trying while you guys are on the line if you don't mind me figuring it all out as I go |
| 02:17.02 | shad0w1e | Hi is there a way to write over only the bootstrap portion of my MBR ??? |
| 02:17.04 | abrotman | Eddie: you have to install ndiswrapper first |
| 02:17.08 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 02:17.08 | dpkg | hmm... ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 02:17.24 | jair | abrotman, ok I will do as you say ;) |
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| 02:18.08 | Eddie | ok... I'll try this step by step... just so you know... here is the thread I found that I thought might help me... |
| 02:18.11 | abrotman | Eddie: i mean . i think that guys website pretty much laidit out for you |
| 02:18.18 | shad0w1e | does anyone know how to use dd such that it only writes over my bootstrap and not my partition table info? |
| 02:18.36 | Eddie | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5645 |
| 02:18.48 | Pryon | shad0w1e: how many bytes are you writing? |
| 02:19.01 | shad0w1e | Pryon, I want to transfer over the bootsector |
| 02:19.06 | shad0w1e | not the partition info |
| 02:19.09 | shad0w1e | so its definitely < 512 |
| 02:19.22 | shad0w1e | 512 is the whole thing including the partition... |
| 02:19.32 | Eddie | abrotman, does the last post on the page I just sent seem to make sense to you? |
| 02:20.25 | abrotman | Eddie: kind of |
| 02:20.29 | Asmodee` | is it possible to force an install even if dependencies are not met? |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | Asmodee`: yes .. but it's not always a good idea |
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| 02:20.54 | shad0w1e | hmm, seems its 446 bytes |
| 02:20.58 | shad0w1e | can someone confirm that? |
| 02:21.17 | wuming | how is usb wireless support in serge |
| 02:21.25 | Asmodee` | abrotman: well i created the vpopmail packages and there are some lib packages that got created as well.. turns out 2 of the lib packages depend on eachother and i get dependency errors when trying to install either of them |
| 02:21.37 | Pryon | shad0w1e: that's what my research shows |
| 02:21.50 | Asmodee` | im using dpkg -i whatever.deb |
| 02:21.54 | Eddie | jair, I'm not going to be able to paste from my laptop because the internet isn't working on my laptop yet. |
| 02:22.00 | Pryon | Of course, I'd probably look harder if it were *my* boot sector :-/ |
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| 02:22.10 | Guerin | Asmodee`: try apt-get -f install; and see what it wants to do |
| 02:22.14 | abrotman | Asmodee`: dpkg -i deb1.deb deb2.deb etc.deb .. all on one line |
| 02:22.21 | roo9 | what's the best command-line email program? |
| 02:22.40 | shad0w1e | Pryon, thanks |
| 02:22.50 | jair | Eddie, have you tried any live cd like kanotix? |
| 02:22.53 | Asmodee` | Guerin: well i created the packages myself as they werent available via apt-get for sarge |
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| 02:23.25 | gsx22 | alright i got base installed |
| 02:23.35 | interalia | when dpkg unpacks a deb in the process of installing, where does it unpack to? |
| 02:23.38 | Eddie | jair, I have previously tried knoppix (before I bought the wireless card) but knoppix didn't install |
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| 02:23.39 | abrotman | roo9: there are a few |
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| 02:23.51 | Asmodee` | ok installing them all on one line fixed the dependency error, thanks! |
| 02:23.58 | Eddie | debian obviosly did install nicely -- therefore I like debian ;-) |
| 02:24.04 | Guerin | Asmodee`: right, but -f install; with no packages just tries to fix deps; it may help. |
| 02:24.12 | Guerin | Asmodee`: ah, makes sense |
| 02:24.16 | shad0w1e | well lets see what happens!! |
| 02:24.17 | shad0w1e | thanks |
| 02:24.17 | shad0w1e | cya |
| 02:24.47 | Eddie | Abrotman/Jair, lspci does seem to indicate some kind of network controller |
| 02:25.02 | roo9 | abrotman: which would you consider the best? |
| 02:25.05 | abrotman | Eddie: what is it ? |
| 02:25.09 | abrotman | roo9: most people use mutt |
| 02:25.18 | abrotman | elmo looks interesting .. but most use mutt |
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| 02:25.24 | Eddie | Network controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 4318 (rev 02) |
| 02:25.31 | astronut | abrotman: rxvt-unicode was what i needed |
| 02:25.33 | abrotman | that's your 10/100 card |
| 02:25.40 | astronut | similar to aterm, both transparancy and utf-8 |
| 02:25.43 | abrotman | Eddie: does ... ifconfig -a show anything ? |
| 02:25.53 | Guerin | rxvt-unicode-ml does cjk better |
| 02:25.54 | abrotman | astronut: if you lastlog me .. i htink i said htat :) |
| 02:26.00 | roo9 | abrotman: ty |
| 02:26.00 | astronut | abrotman: i think you did |
| 02:26.07 | astronut | i didn't notice the transparancy first time around |
| 02:26.10 | astronut | till i took a second look |
| 02:26.15 | astronut | is apt-cache search case sensitive? |
| 02:26.28 | Guerin | astronut: debian is case sensitive |
| 02:26.39 | Eddie | abrotman, I can two paragraphs of stuff... eth0 and lo |
| 02:26.41 | astronut | is there a -i? |
| 02:27.02 | abrotman | Eddie: so why don't you hook up eth0 ? |
| 02:27.07 | Guerin | astronut: no packages should contain capitals |
| 02:27.08 | jair | Eddie, it have to be eth0 and eth1 |
| 02:27.14 | jair | Eddie, at least |
| 02:27.22 | astronut | Guerin: descriptions |
| 02:27.24 | jair | Eddie, try this iwconfig |
| 02:27.28 | Guerin | astronut: packagenames, I mean. If they do, they're in breach of policy and should have bugs filed against them |
| 02:27.34 | astronut | ie, utf-8 vs UTF-8 |
| 02:27.38 | Guerin | astronut:oh, apt0-cache search |
| 02:27.41 | Guerin | duh, my bad |
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| 02:28.07 | Guerin | astronut: i don't believe it is case-sensitive in that case. you also want to search on unicode |
| 02:28.22 | astronut | Guerin: did already, done now, but was wondering |
| 02:28.50 | Eddie | jair, it says... lo no wireless extensions eth0 no wireless extensions |
| 02:29.01 | abrotman | Eddie: your eth0 is probably your 10/100 |
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| 02:29.26 | Eddie | I've just plugged an ethernet cable into the laptop... (so that I can poste to pastebin.com) |
| 02:29.27 | litage | i changed the rsa and dsa keys on one of my servers. when i ssh'd into that box though, there was no mention of a new key. in fact, it mentioned the old fingerprint. what might be going on? |
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| 02:29.47 | Eddie | is there anything I need to do to get the ethernet working... or should I just restart so that it picks it up |
| 02:30.17 | abrotman | Eddie: plug in the cable? |
| 02:30.34 | abrotman | Eddie: did the lights come on ? |
| 02:31.12 | Eddie | abrotman: yes, I've plugged in the cable but there are no lights to check for on the laptop |
| 02:31.29 | abrotman | Eddie: ok ... |
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| 02:31.44 | Eddie | abrotman: shall I just restart, I know the ethernet did work ok... just trying to get wireless going |
| 02:31.52 | abrotman | Eddie: if you look in /etc/network/interfaces .. do you see a section for eth0 ? |
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| 02:32.24 | Eddie | no |
| 02:32.34 | abrotman | Eddie: do you know how to edit files ? |
| 02:32.35 | Eddie | abrotman: that directory is empty |
| 02:32.40 | abrotman | Eddie: no it's not :) |
| 02:32.41 | Eddie | abrotman: yes |
| 02:32.47 | abrotman | Eddie: ls /etc/network/ |
| 02:33.20 | Eddie | abrotman: ok |
| 02:33.26 | abrotman | see the interfaces file ? |
| 02:33.56 | Eddie | :-) |
| 02:34.03 | abrotman | no? |
| 02:34.07 | Eddie | abrotman: I thought interfaces was a directory |
| 02:34.19 | abrotman | ok .. see it then ? |
| 02:34.23 | Eddie | and I thought the directory was empty.. :-) |
| 02:34.29 | abrotman | is there a section for eth0 ? |
| 02:34.33 | abrotman | auto eth0 |
| 02:34.33 | abrotman | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 02:34.40 | abrotman | like that ? |
| 02:34.43 | Eddie | abrotman: yes |
| 02:34.44 | abrotman | debhelper: don't you date! |
| 02:34.46 | abrotman | dare |
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| 02:34.55 | abrotman | Eddie: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:35.04 | abrotman | Eddie: then .. ifconfig -a .. does eth0 have an IP ? |
| 02:35.29 | rubens_ | daca só |
| 02:35.34 | abrotman | que? |
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| 02:35.49 | abrotman | rubens_: espanol / portuguese ? |
| 02:36.04 | rubens_ | se vc digitar no shell o comando ls -l /dev |
| 02:36.08 | abrotman | rubens_: espanol / portuguese ? |
| 02:36.11 | rubens_ | saca só eu disse |
| 02:36.13 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:36.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:36.14 | rubens_ | foi mal |
| 02:36.14 | abrotman | !pt |
| 02:36.14 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:36.21 | rubens_ | voltando |
| 02:36.31 | Eddie | abrotman: yes... internet is now working from the laptop |
| 02:36.36 | rubens_ | se vc digitar ls -l /dev |
| 02:36.39 | abrotman | Eddie: isn't that fun! |
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| 02:36.52 | abrotman | rubens_: no habla espanol aqui .. /join #debian-es |
| 02:36.52 | rubens_ | ira listar todos os arquivos de /dev |
| 02:36.55 | rubens_ | ok |
| 02:37.01 | Eddie | abrotman: yes it is... I'm going to write down that command |
| 02:37.02 | abrotman | gracias |
| 02:37.11 | rubens_ | mas não dá para visualizar todos |
| 02:37.12 | abrotman | Eddie: shouldn't need it again |
| 02:37.13 | rubens_ | tenten |
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| 02:37.24 | abrotman | rubens_: no .. /join #debian-es |
| 02:37.32 | abrotman | por favor! |
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| 02:37.46 | rubens_ | descupe-me |
| 02:37.47 | abrotman | god damn it .. is that portuguese or spanish he's speaking ? |
| 02:37.57 | rubens_ | estou no lugar erado |
| 02:37.59 | Eddie | abrotman: oh |
| 02:38.10 | Tortel | umm |
| 02:38.14 | Tortel | nein comprendo |
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| 02:38.20 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:38.22 | Tortel | :P |
| 02:38.35 | abrotman | Eddie: that should make some things easier |
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| 02:38.42 | Eddie | abrotman: ok... what shall I do now... apt-get ndiswrapper |
| 02:38.43 | xuniluser | Anyone knows a good audo cd to mp3 encoder? |
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| 02:38.52 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 02:38.52 | dpkg | i heard ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 02:38.55 | metaperl | xuniluser: grip |
| 02:38.56 | Agrajag- | ok.. so i have a file that's reporting to be 631G. the partition that it's on is only 14G (/var). not sure what i should do about this |
| 02:39.04 | abrotman | metaperl: he'd need lame too |
| 02:39.16 | Eddie | abrotman: yes, it should be easier now I can post stuff back to you guys |
| 02:39.17 | abrotman | Agrajag-: run around and scream |
| 02:39.32 | Agrajag- | tried that already |
| 02:39.53 | Eddie | abrotman: is the following what I need to do now... apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 02:39.56 | Agrajag- | i would run fsck but lots of people are using the box atm and i dont want ot unmount /var/ |
| 02:39.57 | abrotman | Agrajag-: tell NSA you've discovered the ultimate compression algorthm ? |
| 02:40.02 | Agrajag- | heh |
| 02:40.09 | abrotman | Agrajag-: sadly .. i think you have fsck :) |
| 02:40.15 | abrotman | Eddie: yep |
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| 02:40.40 | zinx | Agrajag-: du file |
| 02:40.44 | zinx | Agrajag-: it may be holey |
| 02:40.46 | Agrajag- | ok. guess i'll wait till later tonight and do it. possibly remotely.. dont kow if that's too wise though |
| 02:40.57 | zinx | Agrajag-: aka sparse |
| 02:40.57 | abrotman | probably not |
| 02:41.18 | abrotman | Agrajag-: is the file .. something important ? |
| 02:41.20 | Agrajag- | zinx: ah. du reports it's 16M |
| 02:41.32 | zinx | Agrajag-: if it's mostly zeros, then it's definitely sparse |
| 02:41.33 | Agrajag- | abrotman: yeah, but i have backups of it |
| 02:41.44 | xuniluser | metaperl: is it possible to rip from an audio cd format? |
| 02:41.47 | abrotman | Agrajag-: i meant .. can you like `mv file file.bak` .. and see what happens ? |
| 02:41.52 | abrotman | or cp |
| 02:41.53 | zinx | Agrajag-: i would say it's definitely sparse just from the du output, but i'm not going to make that commitment ;) |
| 02:41.53 | abrotman | whatever |
| 02:41.57 | Agrajag- | i already did that and replaced it with a backup |
| 02:42.17 | abrotman | oh .. then listen to zinx .. he knows weird stuff .... he's cajun! |
| 02:42.24 | Agrajag- | i tried cp first, but it took a few minutes so i killed it |
| 02:43.03 | Agrajag- | so mv'd it and replaced it with a backup. it's an sqlite db. it keeps getting corrupted (damn sqlite), hence regular backups of it |
| 02:43.04 | abrotman | only time i've seedn that .. a fsck took care of it |
| 02:43.18 | abrotman | Agrajag-: you could use a real DB like .. pgsql :) |
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| 02:43.30 | zinx | Agrajag-: ditch sqlite :/ |
| 02:43.32 | Eddie | abrotman: module-assistant, error message..... bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use |
| 02:43.37 | Agrajag- | it's not my choice :/ |
| 02:43.42 | abrotman | Eddie: install them! |
| 02:43.43 | zinx | Agrajag-: and tell them it's seeking to weird spots and creating sparse files |
| 02:43.47 | abrotman | Eddie: uname -a ! |
| 02:44.07 | Manolis | Hello - Can ayone help me get rid of the "Failed to mount /selinux/ no such file or directory" error pleas? |
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| 02:45.36 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:45.36 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:45.43 | Eddie | abrotman: you want me to type... uname -a |
| 02:45.54 | abrotman | Eddie: or uname -r more specifically .. but yes |
| 02:46.02 | Ky0tIk | streamtuner + streamripper kicks some major A$$ :D |
| 02:46.51 | abrotman | Eddie: should be 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
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| 02:47.50 | Eddie | abrotman: it was 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 02:47.57 | abrotman | Eddie: and it's a P4 laptop ? |
| 02:48.03 | Eddie | abrotman: yes |
| 02:48.12 | abrotman | Eddie: apt-setup ... pick an http mirror |
| 02:48.55 | abrotman | then apt-get update;apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 kernel-headers-2.6-686 |
| 02:48.58 | Agrajag- | so, to run fsck on the /var partition, i guess i should init 0 (or is it 1?) and make sure it's unmounted then run fsck? |
| 02:49.14 | abrotman | init 0 is halt |
| 02:49.33 | Agrajag- | ah yes |
| 02:49.43 | Eddie | abrotman: you are my hero... how do you know where to look... you are awesome |
| 02:49.50 | Eddie | abrotman: I will run those commands |
| 02:49.56 | abrotman | Eddie: i've been doing this awhile :) |
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| 02:50.28 | abrotman | Agrajag-: if it's remote .. and you init 1 .. uhm .. you're kind of stuck :) |
| 02:50.29 | SerajewelKS | how do i ask apt-get to ignore dependency errors? i just reinstalled etch and i want to pull kde, but some dependencies are broken |
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| 02:50.32 | Eddie | abrotman: well I hope I'll be able to give back to the community some day soon also |
| 02:50.57 | Agrajag- | abrotman: nah if i do this i wont be remote :) |
| 02:51.02 | abrotman | Eddie: it's always good :) |
| 02:51.04 | peterS | SerajewelKS: you can't easily |
| 02:51.05 | abrotman | Agrajag-: ah ok |
| 02:51.17 | abrotman | peterS: ! ... i thought i was all alone! |
| 02:51.28 | peterS | abrotman: you were, you were. I got back in just a few minutes ago |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | peterS: but i've been holding down the fort! |
| 02:51.34 | SerajewelKS | peterS, so uhh.. how can i install all of kde except for the packages that are failing? =/ |
| 02:51.35 | peterS | good! |
| 02:51.52 | peterS | SerajewelKS: by not making use of the 'kde' metapackage, but selecting things by hand |
| 02:52.04 | SerajewelKS | -_- |
| 02:52.12 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 02:52.12 | dpkg | hmm... install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 02:52.19 | abrotman | start small .. if it's not small enough .. go smaller |
| 02:52.31 | SerajewelKS | i want big :) |
| 02:52.41 | Manolis | Anyone seen "Failed to mount /selinux/ no such file or directory" at boot before? |
| 02:52.42 | abrotman | etch's kde is busted |
| 02:52.52 | abrotman | Manolis: is it in your /etc/fstab ? |
| 02:52.56 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, it hasn't been for me |
| 02:53.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, unless you mean the metapackage |
| 02:53.11 | abrotman | i do |
| 02:53.18 | SerajewelKS | Manolis i just saw that too actually |
| 02:53.46 | Manolis | SerajewelKS - I like to clean up errors at boot but this one has me stumped :( |
| 02:53.46 | Eddie | abrotman: couldn't fidn package kernal-image-2.6.686 |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | Eddie: kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:54.09 | peterS | you know what the metapackages should be called? 'kde' for the whole "Kool" Desktop Environment, 'kd' for just the "Kool" Desktop, and 'k' if all you want is "Kool" |
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| 02:54.24 | abrotman | peterS: you've been drinking again! |
| 02:54.24 | SerajewelKS | not sure if this is a known bug, but the netinstall crapped out when i tried to select a keyboard layout. i had to boot expert26 and skip that step or it would freeze. likewise for the usb-storage module. |
| 02:54.34 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: which netinst ? |
| 02:54.41 | peterS | of course, early in the history of KDE, the K was repurposed to mean nothing but itself, I guess "kool" started to seem childish |
| 02:54.43 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, sarge netinst |
| 02:54.56 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you'd have to tell -boot |
| 02:55.04 | Eddie | abrotman: doh |
| 02:55.04 | Manolis | abrotman: I took a look in fstab and mtab but it's not in there |
| 02:55.07 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, what? |
| 02:55.12 | abrotman | Manolis: really ? |
| 02:55.17 | peterS | abrotman: milk with my chocolate bars, can't a man have a drop of an evening? |
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| 02:55.21 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: nothing . nothing at all .. ignore me |
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| 02:55.33 | abrotman | peterS: not if you're lactose intolerant! |
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| 02:55.46 | peterS | good point. fortunately I'm not, which explains the milk chocolate as well as the milk |
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| 02:55.48 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, a friend of mine had the exact problem and i worked around it the same way |
| 02:56.02 | SerajewelKS | so i can't believe it's entirely isolated |
| 02:56.07 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: did you try the 2.4 kernel ? |
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| 02:56.20 | SerajewelKS | uh, no.... |
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| 02:56.35 | abrotman | why not? |
| 02:56.51 | Manolis | abrotman: yup, nothing in fstab or mtab about selinux, that's why I'm confused |
| 02:56.51 | SerajewelKS | because i didn't think it would make a difference? |
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| 02:56.59 | abrotman | peterS: you dipped your chocolate in chocolate milk ? |
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| 02:57.07 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: they are .. different .. kernels ? |
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| 02:57.28 | SerajewelKS | abrotman, i didn't think the keyboard layout was kernel-related |
| 02:57.35 | abrotman | !smack SerajewelKS |
| 02:57.36 | peterS | abrotman: no, I did not do that. but you. you keep using those .. double dots. have you been drinking? |
| 02:57.44 | SerajewelKS | !lart dpkg |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | peterS: i do it all the time |
| 02:57.50 | SerajewelKS | wtf... |
| 02:57.55 | peterS | SerajewelKS: pwned |
| 02:58.09 | abrotman | peterS: my boss' really like it when i do it in email to them :) |
| 02:58.16 | peterS | I .. see. |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 02:58.30 | Atula | I have an ftp server sharing a folder on one drive. now, I have another drive and would like to add that drive into the share folder... thus, I made a ln -s /newdrive ./name it made the link... but would not allow users to change to that directory. I have vsftpd restrict users to home... how do I remedy this problem. thank you. |
| 02:58.33 | abrotman | peterS: but at least i use apostrophes!!!! |
| 02:58.35 | peterS | you should take up Perl. you can use .. all the time as a numeric range operator |
| 02:58.44 | abrotman | in pascal too |
| 02:58.46 | peterS | yes, abrotman, at least you use apostrophes. I'm so proud |
| 02:59.01 | abrotman | peterS: some day .. we'll start using capital letters!!! |
| 02:59.09 | zinx | abrotman: NEVER! |
| 02:59.10 | peterS | we might, we might |
| 02:59.13 | SerajewelKS | i usse good speling at leest |
| 02:59.34 | jair | Eddie, and you are booting with debian sarge? |
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| 03:00.05 | abrotman | jair: he's working on setting up ndiswrapper |
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| 03:00.50 | Atula | I have an ftp server sharing a folder on one drive. now, I have another drive and would like to add that drive into the share folder... thus, I made a ln -s /newdrive ./name it made the link... but would not allow users to change to that directory. I have vsftpd restrict users to home... how do I remedy this problem. thank you. sorry about repost. |
| 03:00.51 | Eddie | jair: I don't know what sarge is... as far as I know I am working with a recent stable release |
| 03:01.05 | abrotman | Eddie: sarge is stable |
| 03:01.09 | abrotman | !release history |
| 03:01.09 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 03:01.28 | jair | abrotman, nice |
| 03:01.29 | Eddie | abrotman: ok... good to know... what is the unstable one called? |
| 03:01.33 | peterS | Atula: it's either a permissions issue or an ftp server setup issue |
| 03:01.38 | abrotman | Eddie: sid |
| 03:01.38 | jair | Eddie, follow abrotman instructions |
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| 03:01.57 | peterS | Atula: can't say which without knowing more. as the same user who can't ftp into newdrive, can you 'cd' to it interactively? |
| 03:01.58 | zinx | anyone else notice the time between releases is growing exponentially? |
| 03:02.06 | Eddie | jair: yes... abrotman is helping me out... he's awesome... thank you also for looking out for me. |
| 03:02.10 | peterS | Atula: I mean logged in directly with a shell |
| 03:02.16 | abrotman | zinx: have you noticed releases are growing exponentially ? |
| 03:02.25 | abrotman | !dstats potato |
| 03:02.28 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
| 03:02.28 | Eddie | abrotman: ok... kernel image and headers are installed. |
| 03:02.32 | zinx | abrotman: Evil. |
| 03:02.38 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 03:02.38 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on potato... 4305 packages, 541 maintainers, 5097 MB installed size, 1799 MB compressed size. |
| 03:02.40 | peterS | zinx: yes, it's been noticed |
| 03:02.47 | abrotman | Eddie: now you have to run that ndiswrapper one-liner again |
| 03:02.52 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 03:02.52 | dpkg | ndiswrapper one-liner is probably apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 03:02.56 | Eddie | abrotman: no probs |
| 03:03.06 | abrotman | zinx: that's roughly .. 5 years i think |
| 03:03.08 | zinx | in 2010, when etch is released, it will fit on 30 quadruple-layered optical discs. |
| 03:03.19 | zinx | ultraviolet tech |
| 03:03.35 | Asmodee` | i hope that flash memory is cheaper than optical discs by then |
| 03:03.37 | abrotman | bluraY? |
| 03:03.37 | peterS | zinx: the number of architectures has stabilized though. potato had 5 (IIRC), woody and sarge both had 11 |
| 03:03.46 | Asmodee` | or we have holographic storage as a commodity |
| 03:04.00 | peterS | zinx: slink, the one before potato, only had 2 arches, I believe. hard to remember for sure. |
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| 03:04.16 | peterS | (i386, m68k) |
| 03:04.22 | nse | is there a page for phyton ? |
| 03:04.22 | abrotman | peterS: i saw they are redoing the validation for ports |
| 03:04.22 | Eddie | abrotman: same error message 'kernal headers could not be found etc' |
| 03:04.27 | SerajewelKS | who was helping me with glx about a week ago? |
| 03:04.37 | SerajewelKS | Gnea was it you? |
| 03:04.47 | peterS | abrotman: yep. who knows how that'll come out. there are 12 ports on the table right now, the existing 11 plus amd64. I wonder if they'll all get in under the wire |
| 03:04.49 | Eddie | abrotman: it says something about that I can run PREPARE from the main menu or on the command line |
| 03:04.55 | Eddie | abrotman: should I do that? |
| 03:05.04 | abrotman | peterS: i hope so |
| 03:05.14 | abrotman | Eddie: sure ... |
| 03:05.29 | nse | oh shit, the name is python |
| 03:05.33 | peterS | abrotman: but then again there's another half dozen ports waiting in the wings, with unknown ETAs. most recently big-endian arm (armeb), as seen on wireless AP hardware |
| 03:05.38 | SerajewelKS | wtf... /usr/bin/vi doesn't have a package? O_o |
| 03:05.40 | abrotman | peterS: oddly .. i have no idea where that email was :) |
| 03:05.51 | SerajewelKS | oops.. another diversion =P |
| 03:06.06 | abrotman | nse: a page? |
| 03:06.15 | peterS | SerajewelKS: vi is not a diversion but an alternative |
| 03:06.19 | abrotman | peterS: i'd like to see them all make it again ... |
| 03:06.27 | SerajewelKS | peterS yeah that's what i meant |
| 03:06.33 | Eddie | abrotman: hmmm PREPARE or prepare doesn't actually do anything |
| 03:06.40 | peterS | SerajewelKS: well, dpkg also has a concept of a diversion, which is different, though a bit related |
| 03:06.46 | abrotman | nice |
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| 03:07.09 | Atula | I can get in with shell. but not with ftp client |
| 03:07.24 | peterS | Atula: probably an ftp server config issue then. what ftp server are you using? |
| 03:07.30 | Atula | vsftpd |
| 03:07.45 | abrotman | Eddie: what headers does it say it's looking for ? |
| 03:07.47 | Atula | I have a vsftpd.chroot_list |
| 03:07.55 | Atula | I think that might be the issue |
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| 03:08.17 | peterS | Atula: chrooting certainly makes symlinks to arbitrary locations impossible, yes |
| 03:08.21 | SerajewelKS | i set my keyboard layout to iso-something-15, and the ' and " keys are doing weird things... which keyboard layout should i choose and how do i change it now? |
| 03:08.23 | abrotman | i really have no idea where i saw that email |
| 03:08.28 | nimak | is there any way to restore an erased partition table? |
| 03:08.56 | peterS | Atula: you may wish to accomplish what you want with a bind mount: mkdir /old/location/newdir; echo '/newfilesystem /old/location/newdir none bind 0 0' >> /etc/fstab; mount -a |
| 03:08.58 | Eddie | abrotman: the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use.... (more coming) |
| 03:09.05 | nimak | (yes, i did something dumb) |
| 03:09.07 | peterS | nimak: that is what gpart is for |
| 03:09.11 | abrotman | ok .. you know what's sick .. when a baseball game starts at 8pm .. and it's now after 11pm .. and it's only the bottom of the 7th |
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| 03:09.39 | nimak | would that come on knoppix, by any chance? |
| 03:09.43 | peterS | abrotman: lousy pitching? |
| 03:09.48 | peterS | nimak: no clue. it's a debian package |
| 03:09.51 | Eddie | abrotman: the next screen says.... However, you can install the header files fo your kernel which are provided by the kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 package |
| 03:09.54 | nimak | cool |
| 03:09.54 | drp2 | how can you tell what version a package is using apt-cache |
| 03:09.56 | nimak | ill try |
| 03:09.59 | nimak | it |
| 03:10.02 | Eddie | abrotman: do you want more of the message? |
| 03:10.04 | peterS | nimak: I'd bet it probably does come on knoppix, but I haven't booted knoppix in ages |
| 03:10.05 | abrotman | peterS: well .. yes .. but Bartolo COlon left aafter 1.2 innings with a shoulder injury |
| 03:10.19 | abrotman | Eddie: did you not reboot after installing the kernel? :) |
| 03:10.21 | peterS | drp2: apt-cache policy foo |
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| 03:10.28 | nimak | i think you can apt-get with knoppix |
| 03:10.29 | Eddie | no |
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| 03:10.40 | abrotman | Eddie: can you . uhm .. reboot your laptop now :) |
| 03:10.49 | Eddie | abrotman: I'll be back in a min :-) sorry |
| 03:10.53 | abrotman | s'alright |
| 03:11.08 | SerajewelKS | anyone? reconfigure the keyboard layout? |
| 03:11.47 | nimak | peterS: are you sure its a debian package, i dont see it in testing |
| 03:12.25 | peterS | nimak: http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/gpart |
| 03:12.26 | abrotman | peterS: i finally found it .. it was on d-d-a |
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| 03:12.31 | nimak | weird |
| 03:12.32 | peterS | abrotman: ah, right |
| 03:13.05 | nimak | peterS: i see it now, thanks |
| 03:13.08 | SerajewelKS | arg |
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| 03:13.19 | abrotman | !talk like a pirate |
| 03:13.32 | peterS | SerajewelKS: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 03:14.27 | peterS | ab0rtm4n j00 h4\/3 w4r3z 4 m3???!!llllooll |
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| 03:14.51 | abrotman | thank god i don't highlight on that |
| 03:14.57 | peterS | you so should |
| 03:15.01 | abrotman | no wat |
| 03:15.03 | abrotman | way |
| 03:15.05 | peterS | it's a useful highlight |
| 03:15.09 | abrotman | it's bad enough i highlight on abortman :) |
| 03:15.13 | peterS | you don't want to miss people addressing you like a pirate, do you? |
| 03:15.30 | wickedpuppy | hi , i would like to know if there is any debian dev members ? i got one problem applying as a new maint |
| 03:15.42 | SerajewelKS | peterS thanks |
| 03:15.44 | peterS | wickedpuppy: no. but what is the problem? |
| 03:15.46 | SerajewelKS | brb in xchat |
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| 03:15.57 | wickedpuppy | peterS, There is no debian dev where I live |
| 03:16.00 | wickedpuppy | thats the problem |
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| 03:16.08 | abrotman | there are none in singapore? |
| 03:16.13 | Eddie | abrotman: is it possible that the system is going even faster after this reboot |
| 03:16.15 | wickedpuppy | nope |
| 03:16.18 | wickedpuppy | look at the map |
| 03:16.21 | abrotman | Eddie: it is |
| 03:16.47 | abrotman | wickedpuppy: so you can't get your key signed ? |
| 03:16.51 | Eddie | abrotman: It feels like it is on the desktop |
| 03:16.51 | wickedpuppy | bingo |
| 03:17.21 | wickedpuppy | thats my problem ... i have contacted the guy who is orphaning his soft and he agreed ... except i can't get anyone to sign |
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| 03:18.22 | wickedpuppy | so aside from paying on of the guys to come to singapore to sign ... i am well ... lost on this island |
| 03:18.29 | wickedpuppy | s/on/one |
| 03:18.34 | abrotman | wickedpuppy: there are really none? |
| 03:18.39 | wickedpuppy | yes |
| 03:18.43 | abrotman | wickedpuppy: and you have no way to get out of the country? |
| 03:18.47 | wickedpuppy | there are really none ... |
| 03:18.50 | wickedpuppy | student .. |
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| 03:19.24 | abrotman | wickedpuppy: i'm 99% sure it has to be a face to face signing .. you might have to wait for a random DD to visit singapore :) |
| 03:19.32 | wickedpuppy | lol |
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| 03:19.37 | abrotman | peterS: would he be better asking mentors ? |
| 03:19.46 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You are wrong. Read the new maint guide. |
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| 03:19.50 | peterS | abrotman: it doesn't really. there are theoretical procedures in place for situations where it's really not practical |
| 03:19.55 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: then you tell him! |
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| 03:20.03 | Eddie | abrotman: ok... I think ndiswrapper is now installed |
| 03:20.06 | peterS | well, maybe not "in place" but this has been thought of anyway |
| 03:20.07 | abrotman | Eddie: yay |
| 03:20.11 | abrotman | Eddie: now what? |
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| 03:20.19 | scarynetworkguy | Hell I don't even use Debian anymore and I know this stuff. |
| 03:20.32 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i dont' read the nm guide |
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| 03:20.44 | Eddie | abrotman: presumably I now need to get ndiswrapper to use the windows drivers for my card |
| 03:20.56 | wickedpuppy | alright alright ... i go read up on new-maint guide ... or post on the mailing list :P |
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| 03:20.59 | wickedpuppy | thanks guys |
| 03:21.11 | abrotman | Eddie: yep .. now that guys page comes in handy |
| 03:21.20 | abrotman | ack guy's |
| 03:21.30 | scarynetworkguy | Hell I don't even use Debian anymore and I know this stuff. |
| 03:21.33 | abrotman | lucky 7! |
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| 03:21.37 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: we know |
| 03:21.40 | abrotman | you said |
| 03:21.53 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i'm not sure i've ever even looked in the NM guide |
| 03:22.03 | abrotman | not to become a DD anyways ... |
| 03:22.09 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Miss the point much? :P |
| 03:22.13 | Eddie | abrotman: how can I check I have the pcmcia modules installed? |
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| 03:22.29 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: of being a DD ? |
| 03:22.36 | litage | rsa is only used during session initiation when ssh'ing, right? |
| 03:22.38 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: No no. |
| 03:22.46 | peterS | Eddie: you can do 'dpkg -l pcmcia-modules-$(uname -r)' |
| 03:22.46 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: of reading? :) |
| 03:22.48 | scarynetworkguy | Don't strain your brain over it. |
| 03:23.02 | peterS | Eddie: if you are using kernel 2.6.x, pcmcia modules are included in the base kernel image |
| 03:23.04 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: it's after 11pm here .. it's almost time for me to pass out :) |
| 03:23.11 | abrotman | peterS: he is .. now |
| 03:24.06 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: So early? |
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| 03:24.29 | peterS | you know, at only 22:24:29 in my TZ, I am thinking of doing the same |
| 03:25.03 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: wait .. i've read the NM guide .. are you sure that's the one you meant ? |
| 03:25.34 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: remember .. i slept lke a total of 15 hours thur/fri/sat nights :) |
| 03:25.50 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: That much? |
| 03:26.10 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: thur/sat were beer nights too .. so that's also no good |
| 03:26.29 | abrotman | sat was actually a 0630-0400 day :) |
| 03:26.45 | peterS | abrotman: wtf, why would a saturday ever start at 0630? |
| 03:27.05 | abrotman | peterS: uhm .. my landlord woke me .. i think she was dumping a case of soda into a cooler or something |
| 03:27.10 | peterS | and is that a range or a timezone suffix? |
| 03:27.20 | peterS | (since I know that *is* your timezone) |
| 03:27.31 | abrotman | peterS: 630AM sat to 4 AM sunday :) |
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| 03:30.21 | Eddie | peterS: thanks |
| 03:30.43 | Eddie | abrotman: thank you also for all your help thus far... you are a star |
| 03:30.57 | abrotman | Eddie: is it working yet? |
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| 03:31.30 | Eddie | abrotman: not yet... I'm a bit of a slow coach... I'm still finding the files that I need |
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| 03:32.11 | abrotman | Eddie: that guy's webpage laid it out pretty well .. he basically implied you need to just download the zip file .. and then import that inf file .. then restart .. at least from what i gathered |
| 03:32.13 | fusionfox | how can i make my sound emule more than one 1 sound at a time? |
| 03:32.21 | fusionfox | sound card* |
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| 03:32.42 | Guerin | !dmix |
| 03:32.42 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 03:32.58 | Eddie | abrotman: I guess so... he suggested checking for an updated driver |
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| 03:33.07 | abrotman | Eddie: i probably would |
| 03:33.10 | abrotman | but it's up to you |
| 03:33.23 | fusionfox | Guerin, thanks dude |
| 03:33.31 | Eddie | abrotman: should I just find the files on the CD that came with the card? |
| 03:33.35 | Guerin | fusionfox: no worries, dawg |
| 03:33.37 | abrotman | Eddie: that's one way |
| 03:33.46 | abrotman | !lart Guerin |
| 03:33.51 | abrotman | nice! |
| 03:34.16 | relaxed | fusionfox: buy a cheap creative sb live! card that supports hardware mixing. |
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| 03:35.16 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you hurt my brain! |
| 03:35.17 | fusionfox | relaxed, mmm?? |
| 03:35.38 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you have done permanent damage .. god .. i hope i don't start drinking budweiser again |
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| 03:36.25 | relaxed | fusionfox: I'm saying a card that supports hardware mixing doesn't need the crap that is dmix. |
| 03:36.36 | abrotman | it just requires money :) |
| 03:37.00 | relaxed | for around $25 bucks it's worth it. |
| 03:37.07 | abrotman | it won't fit in my laptop! |
| 03:37.24 | relaxed | where there's a will there's a way! |
| 03:38.15 | abrotman | 1 more out! |
| 03:38.22 | relaxed | actually, I think they have a pcmcia audigy card out now. Not sure about the support though. |
| 03:38.28 | abrotman | they do .. |
| 03:38.35 | abrotman | but as you say .. no idea about support |
| 03:39.08 | TheoMurpse | I'm installing Debian on a Japanese laptop, but I will be using only English. Should I set my keymap to Japanese, even though my system language is American English? I know the keyboard is a 106 key. |
| 03:39.08 | fusionfox | relaxed, but my sound card supports multiple sound at time (O_o) |
| 03:39.19 | fusionfox | relaxed, worked with windows |
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| 03:39.21 | abrotman | TheoMurpse: if you pick japanese language .. you will get words in japanese .. |
| 03:39.28 | abrotman | at least .. i'm pretty sure you will :) |
| 03:39.33 | TheoMurpse | I picked Englsih. Now I'm concerned with the keymap. |
| 03:39.35 | Guerin | TheoMurpse: it's almost certainly got an american keyboard |
| 03:39.36 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 03:39.44 | abrotman | you can change the keymap later if you need to |
| 03:39.49 | Guerin | TheoMurpse: korean keyboards are all american 104 or 106 |
| 03:40.03 | abrotman | don't they have the funny stickman characters on them ? |
| 03:40.13 | TheoMurpse | OK, well it has a few keys that don't appear on the English keyboard (kana to kanji conversion key, input controller key, etc) |
| 03:40.17 | Guerin | it's all about the keys being in the right places |
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| 03:40.23 | TheoMurpse | Oh, ok. |
| 03:40.27 | peterS | TheoMurpse: as others have said, it's easy to change later |
| 03:40.30 | Guerin | TheoMurpse: yeah, they're on korean keyboards too |
| 03:40.31 | TheoMurpse | The keys are in the same place for the most part. Thanks all. |
| 03:40.39 | peterS | TheoMurpse: (just a matter of 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data') |
| 03:40.41 | relaxed | fusionfox: which card? just because the driver in windows supports hardware mixing doesn't mean the driver in linux does, very few cards do in fact. |
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| 03:41.55 | fusionfox | it is a sound crystal |
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| 03:42.14 | fusionfox | relaxed, sound crystal something like that a litle olddie, 4ch |
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| 03:43.19 | peterS | fusionfox: like a "crystal soundfusion" aka cs428x? |
| 03:43.28 | peterS | I mean cs46xx |
| 03:43.38 | fusionfox | peterS, yes that kind |
| 03:43.45 | abrotman | 8-2 is 6!!! |
| 03:44.08 | relaxed | I don't think any of those cards (cs*) support hardware mixing. I'm guessing you have some sound daemon running. |
| 03:44.38 | abrotman | this is a damn stressful game |
| 03:44.40 | fusionfox | (O_O) i dont even got sound |
| 03:44.41 | peterS | yeah, I don't think those do either |
| 03:45.02 | peterS | fusionfox: what driver have you got loaded? we are thinking the 'snd-cs46xx' is what you need |
| 03:45.10 | fusionfox | i installed before some alsa thing but t only emuled one sound at time |
| 03:45.15 | AlexXebian | i just changed my motherboard, how do i get debian to probe all hardware and load appropriate modules on bootup without reinstalling? |
| 03:45.21 | abrotman | ysay |
| 03:45.22 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:45.39 | peterS | AlexXebian: 'discover' will do that automatically, more or less |
| 03:45.40 | fusionfox | peterS, i just instal led deb and only got the gnome desktop installed |
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| 03:45.53 | AlexXebian | peterS, thanks |
| 03:46.32 | peterS | fusionfox: did you install kernel 2.4 or kernel 2.6? (the default is 2.4, if you didn't pick a specific one at the Boot: prompt) |
| 03:46.55 | fusionfox | peterS, i got kernel 2.6 |
| 03:47.17 | peterS | fusionfox: so anyway, 'lsmod | grep ^snd_' and tell me if snd_cs46xx or similar are loaded |
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| 03:48.09 | AlexXebian | discover exits with no output |
| 03:48.36 | fusionfox | it says |
| 03:48.45 | AlexXebian | i just want it to do now whatever it does during the initial install |
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| 03:48.55 | UdontKnow | okay, can you guys running LINUX send the output of this to evaldo@gardenali.biz (I am doing some statistical analysis on the randomness of the linux urandom dev): dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1k count=64 conv=notrunc of=randomfile |
| 03:49.04 | fusionfox | peterS, it says in first line snc_cs4281 21476 0 |
| 03:49.32 | quad3dx | some files under /etc/pam.d have @include common-password as last line... this means whatever is in /etc/pam.d/common-password is appended to the end of those files? |
| 03:49.41 | peterS | fusionfox: cs4281 is the other possible driver for your hardware. (you haven't been specific enough about your hardware to tell me which is the right driver) |
| 03:50.26 | fusionfox | peterS, and what do i have to tell?? cause if i paste here ill get flood kicked/banned from channel |
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| 03:51.40 | happyb | hi...besides ZAxisMapping 4 5, what else woudl i need to get my scroolm ouse to work? |
| 03:51.42 | peterS | fusionfox: how about this: lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}' |
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| 03:52.18 | peterS | fusionfox: it will say 1013:600something |
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| 03:52.36 | peterS | fusionfox: that 'something' (a digit between 1 and 5) will tell me which driver |
| 03:53.08 | fusionfox | 1013:6005 thats what it says, peterS |
| 03:53.17 | peterS | fusionfox: snd_cs4281 is correct then |
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| 03:54.05 | fusionfox | peterS, and is that good or bad, plesae tell it is good news please |
| 03:54.11 | peterS | fusionfox: surprisingly common problem: make sure 'alsa-utils' is installed, and run 'alsamixer', and make sure your master volume and your PCM output volume are turned up a bit |
| 03:54.36 | peterS | ...and not muted |
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| 03:55.07 | peterS | we have to chase down why you don't have sound, and if you have the correct module loaded, this is the next most common cause |
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| 03:56.04 | fusionfox | peterS, well i cannot really test the sound cause my music is in another partition, and it is not mounted, last time i tried to moun i damage the linux boot |
| 03:56.23 | fusionfox | cause mounted home and the other partition on / |
| 03:56.29 | fusionfox | what a big mistake )S |
| 03:56.33 | peterS | fusionfox: oh, that's a problem (: |
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| 03:57.07 | fusionfox | peterS, do you think that talking on micrphone will workj? |
| 03:57.22 | UdontKnow | anyone else sending me samples? :) |
| 03:57.35 | peterS | UdontKnow: I did |
| 03:57.45 | UdontKnow | peterS: thanks |
| 03:57.46 | quad3dx | anyone familiar with /etc/pam.d/ setup? |
| 03:57.46 | peterS | fusionfox: microphone support is very fickle in linux sound drivers. it might do something, it might not, depending on the driver, so that's not a very good way to test your driver |
| 03:57.51 | peterS | quad3dx: yeah why? |
| 03:57.55 | quad3dx | some files under /etc/pam.d have @include common-password as last line... this means whatever is in /etc/pam.d/common-password is appended to the end of those files? |
| 03:58.01 | TheoMurpse | I'm installing Debian from a PCMCIA CD-ROM drive. No Common CD-ROM is detected by the installer. I'm at a loss as to what options at install to enable to get this working... |
| 03:58.02 | peterS | quad3dx: yes |
| 03:58.06 | fusionfox | peterS, oh lolo someon talked to me in amsn and it sounded |
| 03:58.06 | quad3dx | ok, thx |
| 03:58.18 | peterS | fusionfox: ha. so you know the driver itself is working |
| 03:58.48 | fusionfox | peterS, hey where should i moiunt th eothewr partition i dont wanna damge and net reinstall again XD |
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| 03:59.07 | peterS | fusionfox: /mnt is always a good place for that sort of thing - it's intended for temporary mounts |
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| 04:00.00 | fusionfox | peterS, but i can make it permanent by mounting it on /mnt? |
| 04:01.00 | peterS | fusionfox: if you want a permanent mount, you probably want to 'mkdir' some directory other than /mnt - I use /data for my random data partition, but pick whatever you want. then add a line to /etc/fstab: /dev/hdc1 /data ext3 defaults 0 2 |
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| 04:01.18 | peterS | fusionfox: then you can just say 'mount -a' and it will mount it if it is not already |
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| 04:01.49 | fusionfox | peterS, but with mount -a will it stay permanet or i will have to do it every time i logging? |
| 04:02.06 | peterS | fusionfox: if it's in /etc/fstab as I showed, it will be mounted automatically at boot time |
| 04:02.19 | fusionfox | well i am in fstab |
| 04:02.38 | fusionfox | peterS, and it only show the home partition and others that are not HDD |
| 04:02.53 | fusionfox | peterS, what was the command to show all aprtition in HDA? |
| 04:03.01 | DonL | Yay! I finally made the jump successfully today to pure Debian |
| 04:03.03 | peterS | fusionfox: what do you mean "are not HDD"? if you wish to show me what you mean, "/msg dpkg paster" for how to do that |
| 04:03.14 | peterS | fusionfox: you can show all partitions on hda with 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' |
| 04:03.22 | peterS | fusionfox: you can show all partitions the kernel knows about with 'cat /proc/partitions' |
| 04:04.01 | drp2 | how can you tell what version a certain package is using apt-get |
| 04:04.04 | fishhead | http://www.isracast.com/tech_news/101005_tech.htm <--- kick ass |
| 04:04.13 | peterS | drp2: I told you about apt-cache policy |
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| 04:04.17 | peterS | drp2: like an hour ago |
| 04:04.18 | fusionfox | peterS, okey with the cat /proc/partitions is what i meant |
| 04:04.31 | drp2 | peterS: that doesn't tell me what i want to know |
| 04:04.39 | drp2 | for example |
| 04:04.48 | peterS | drp2: it tells you what version a certain package is. what did you want? |
| 04:05.03 | drp2 | i want to know what version the current kde package is in my apt-cache list |
| 04:05.34 | peterS | drp2: and 'apt-cache policy kde' does not tell you this? |
| 04:05.38 | drp2 | no |
| 04:05.47 | peterS | what does it tell you after "Installed:" then? |
| 04:05.52 | drp2 | none |
| 04:06.01 | peterS | then you don't have the metapackage installed |
| 04:06.13 | drp2 | i want to know what version it is before I install it |
| 04:06.22 | peterS | so what does the "Candidate:" line tell you? |
| 04:06.41 | drp2 | 5:44 |
| 04:06.44 | peterS | then that is the version you will get |
| 04:06.55 | drp2 | what version does that correlate to? |
| 04:06.59 | peterS | it should be noted that 'kde' is kind of a bad example for version numbers |
| 04:07.20 | peterS | it is just a metapackage that installs a bunch of other packages automatically, and as such it doesn't have a version number corresponding to what you think of as the "KDE version" |
| 04:07.32 | drp2 | I see |
| 04:07.34 | peterS | you might want to try 'apt-cache policy kdelibs4' instead |
| 04:07.45 | drp2 | thanks peterS |
| 04:07.49 | peterS | if you ignore the 4: at the beginning of the version string, it should make more sense |
| 04:08.02 | peterS | the 4: part is called the "epoch" and generally has nothing to do with the upstream release version |
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| 04:08.27 | drp2 | I think it's 3.3.2 then |
| 04:08.37 | peterS | so ... how did I know to check 'kdelibs4'? I just happened to, nothing magic about it |
| 04:08.41 | peterS | yeah |
| 04:08.42 | drp2 | latest iirc is 3.4.2 |
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| 04:09.41 | litage | an ssl certificate is created using the # of bits specified in the var default_bits in openssl.cnf, right? |
| 04:09.42 | fusionfox | peterS, i mounted it but how do i acces it? |
| 04:09.43 | peterS | you should know that right now is a bad time for new C++ applications in Debian. Debian is still trying to sort out old C++ application versions compiled with new compilers (g++ 3.4, g++ 4.0) and this interferes pretty heavily with trying to get new versions of stuff like KDE in |
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| 04:10.04 | peterS | fusionfox: navigate to the directory tree /data or whatever you called it |
| 04:10.18 | fusionfox | peterS, it appears an x infront of the folder |
| 04:10.23 | peterS | directly under the root directory of the system |
| 04:10.41 | fusionfox | hhmmm so only a root can acces it? |
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| 04:11.09 | peterS | fusionfox: I have no idea what you mean by an "X in front of the folder". that sounds like some GUI representation that I don't use |
| 04:11.28 | schroedinger | hi |
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| 04:11.40 | Caelum | peterS: so it's not a matter of just having lots of old stdc++ libs floating around? |
| 04:11.58 | fusionfox | peterrooney, well i am in Gnome desktop, and it says it cannot acces the data folder or cant be showend |
| 04:12.06 | peterS | Caelum: nope. because any C++ code compiled with g++ 3.3 or earlier is incompatible with code compiled with g++ 3.4 or later |
| 04:12.14 | fusionfox | peterS, well i am in Gnome desktop, and it says it cannot acces the data folder or cant be showend |
| 04:12.19 | schroedinger | I'm looking for help... |
| 04:12.28 | peterS | Caelum: so if your application uses 10 separate libraries (not uncommon), all of those have to be recompiled *and* your app has to be recompiled, with the *same* compiler, before it'll work |
| 04:12.33 | schroedinger | any gurus available? |
| 04:12.43 | Caelum | peterS: oh duh, I get it now :) |
| 04:12.53 | fusionfox | peterS, ok dont bother i know what the error is |
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| 04:13.14 | peterS | Caelum: the other problem is that g++ 4.0 is stricter than previous compilers, so a *lot* of older C++ code won't compile cleanly with it. it has to be patched, which takes awhile when you're talking thousands of packages in debian |
| 04:13.20 | Caelum | peterS: because g++ changes how it wants to mangle symbols in every version? :) |
| 04:13.23 | schroedinger | Hi, I'm stuck at 800x600 and I don't know how to get out. |
| 04:13.47 | peterS | Caelum: it's not really about symbol mangling, it's about complex corner cases of the C++ calling convention - but you've got the idea |
| 04:14.00 | peterS | wow, that's a lot of alliteration! totally unintentional |
| 04:14.11 | Caelum | peterS: hmm, sounds like fun. Is bts accepting patches for those apps? |
| 04:14.19 | peterS | (too bad "C++" doesn't alliterate with all the other c* words) |
| 04:14.24 | schroedinger | you're not kidding, peterS. |
| 04:14.24 | Caelum | heh |
| 04:14.42 | wickedpuppy | schroedinger, you got a cat ? |
| 04:14.53 | peterS | wickedpuppy: ask him to check on it, see if it's alive |
| 04:14.57 | schroedinger | hard to tell if he's alive, but yeah, I do. |
| 04:14.58 | wickedpuppy | i just wanna know if its alive or dead |
| 04:14.58 | wickedpuppy | lol |
| 04:15.11 | peterS | schroedinger: nah, it's easy. just look. |
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| 04:15.30 | schroedinger | but that would take all the fun out of it if I looked. |
| 04:15.45 | schroedinger | any x-server nuts in here? |
| 04:15.57 | Caelum | just scratch his stomach and you'll know very quickly |
| 04:16.05 | schroedinger | I ned help configuring the screen resolution. |
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| 04:16.26 | Caelum | schroedinger: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:16.44 | schroedinger | I can use 800x600 and everything below, but not above. |
| 04:16.51 | schroedinger | so everything is big. |
| 04:17.05 | schroedinger | Gaelum, do I have to stop x-server to do that? |
| 04:17.20 | Caelum | schroedinger: Subsection "Display" \ Depth 24 \ Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" .... \ EndSubsection |
| 04:17.34 | Caelum | schroedinger: no, just restart it after you've made the changes |
| 04:17.34 | litage | are SSL certificates using 4096-bit keys widely supported, or should one stick to 1024 bits due to restrictions with current programs? |
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| 04:17.46 | peterS | Caelum: as for BTS patches, if you can find specific fail-to-build bugs related to C++, I'm sure patches are generally quite welcome. finding the bugs is a bit of a maze. you may find http://people.debian.org/~mfurr/gxx/ helpful - it tries to track the "C++ transition" |
| 04:17.47 | schroedinger | how do I restart it? |
| 04:17.53 | Atula | I have vsftpd running with a vsftpd.chroot_list sharing a folder on one drive. I would like to map a folder on a different drive to that same folder so that users can get to the files as if it was a folder (shortcut). I thought ln -s name would do the trick, but users cannot get access to the folder since the vsftpd.chroot_list restrict user @ home. anyways, how do I remedy this issue? thank you for the help. |
| 04:18.10 | peterS | schroedinger: log out, then hit ctrl-alt-backspace when you're at the login prompt |
| 04:18.22 | schroedinger | oh... |
| 04:18.26 | quad3dx | man, the secure debian doc is kind of outdated. hard to follow w/ sarge install. it's pretty different >_< |
| 04:18.27 | servus | litage: Huh? IE6 supports 128-bit SSL. |
| 04:18.41 | peterS | Atula: I mentioned bind mounts earlier, even gave you a recipe for creating one |
| 04:18.56 | schroedinger | brb... |
| 04:19.11 | Caelum | peterS: cool! thanks, I love fixing stuff like that |
| 04:19.12 | Atula | sorry I was away and didn't catch that message. terribly sorry. ate dinner :) |
| 04:19.21 | peterS | Atula: don't eat, dude |
| 04:19.24 | Atula | peterS, would you mind give me the instructions again. |
| 04:19.26 | Atula | :) |
| 04:19.49 | fusionfox | peterS, eehh whats was the coomand to view all functions that you can give to a mount partition? |
| 04:19.51 | peterS | Atula: as it happens I'm feeling expansive. so, what you want is what's called a bind mount - a single part of the filesystem mounted in two different places |
| 04:19.53 | Atula | I tried to not eat.... but me girl think I'm too skinny... and she hates that... so I eat... |
| 04:20.04 | peterS | fusionfox: eh? I don't understand what you mean |
| 04:20.11 | Atula | peterS, hard link? |
| 04:20.20 | peterS | Atula: well then. I guess you can eat. but you're supposed to keep an eye on your computer screen as you do |
| 04:20.21 | servus | Fuffi: Uhh, man mount? |
| 04:20.29 | servus | I mean fusionfox* |
| 04:20.33 | fusionfox | like instead of putting default, you specify, rw, auser, etc? |
| 04:20.36 | peterS | Atula: kind of like a "hard link" at the mount level rather than at the file level. you can't hard-link directories anyway. |
| 04:20.39 | Caelum | fusionfox: there's some info in man mount and man fstab |
| 04:20.54 | Atula | peterS, I was eating with my school mate... watched some british comedy (weird)... and now I'm back in me room... |
| 04:21.06 | peterS | Atula: so, to perform a bind mount for testing, do this: mkdir /new/location; mount --bind /olddir /new/location |
| 04:21.08 | Atula | peterS, I see. |
| 04:21.08 | fusionfox | Caelum, sorry XD it is just i am newb with linux sorry =3 for the bother |
| 04:21.24 | schroedinger | Um, what if I'm running XF86config? |
| 04:21.27 | litage | servus: the variable "default_bits" in openssl.cnf is, by default, 1024... |
| 04:21.29 | peterS | Atula: to put the same thing in /etc/fstab so it will happen next time you boot: /olddir /new/location none bind 0 0 |
| 04:21.34 | Caelum | schroedinger: then edit that, same idea |
| 04:21.48 | peterS | schroedinger: you shouldn't, you should have run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 04:21.54 | Caelum | peterS: that is very cool |
| 04:21.56 | schroedinger | okay. |
| 04:22.05 | peterS | Caelum: what, bind mounts, or dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 04:22.14 | Caelum | peterS: bind mounts |
| 04:22.47 | peterS | Caelum: agreed, I use them a lot. I have a /data with a lot of personal data on it, and I mount /data/home as /home, /data/var as /var, etc. |
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| 04:23.07 | servus | litage: Oh. *Shrug*. I'd keep it default for compatibility. |
| 04:23.19 | bass- | hello. anyone have exp with cyrus snmp monitoring? |
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| 04:23.44 | schroedinger | how do I know what the bus identifier is? |
| 04:23.49 | peterS | schroedinger: leave it blank |
| 04:23.55 | schroedinger | okay...brb. |
| 04:23.59 | Atula | peterS, um, in fstab, I would write that after I mount the drive, corretct? |
| 04:24.00 | peterS | schroedinger: unless you have multiple video cards by the same vendor. the server needs to know which one to use, in that case |
| 04:24.14 | peterS | Atula: any time. /etc/fstab is only consulted at boot time, or when you issue 'mount -a' or similar |
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| 04:24.20 | Atula | I mean... write it under /dev/hdc1 /dir ext3 defaults 0 2 |
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| 04:24.34 | peterS | Atula: yeah, you probably want it at the end of the file |
| 04:24.40 | Atula | cool |
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| 04:26.40 | schroedinger | I have a mouse question: I'm using a USB mouse with a ps/2 converter. what mouse port should I use? |
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| 04:27.02 | peterS | schroedinger: kernel 2.4 or kernel 2.6? ("uname -r") |
| 04:27.07 | schroedinger | I'm still in xfree86 config. |
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| 04:27.23 | peterS | schroedinger: well, you can specify /dev/psaux for either kernel variant, but for kernel 2.6 it is more correct to say /dev/input/mice |
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| 04:27.44 | TML | schroedinger: If we answer your mouse question, will you answer a cat question for me? |
| 04:27.53 | wickedpuppy | lol |
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| 04:27.55 | peterS | schroedinger: next question will be mouse protocol. if the mouse has a wheel you will probably want protocol "ExplorerPS/2" |
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| 04:28.10 | TML | Glad someone got that |
| 04:28.12 | schroedinger | 2.4 |
| 04:28.29 | terrencevak | What is an x10 controller? |
| 04:28.31 | wickedpuppy | TML... we already asked him about his cat :P |
| 04:28.33 | peterS | schroedinger: right, /dev/psaux then, and protocol is probably still ExplorerPS/2 |
| 04:28.40 | schroedinger | okay. brb. |
| 04:28.53 | peterS | terrencevak: x10 is a hardware system for turning electric circuits on and off via your computer |
| 04:29.02 | peterS | terrencevak: so like controlling house lamps |
| 04:29.28 | TML | wickedpuppy: I wasn't looking. :) |
| 04:29.38 | terrencevak | OK... that confirms I don't have one. Thanks. |
| 04:29.46 | schroedinger | Should I emulate a 3 button mouse? |
| 04:29.54 | TML | Guess I should have known #debian wouldn't miss that, though |
| 04:30.01 | terrencevak | * Goes back to setting up his gnome |
| 04:30.06 | peterS | schroedinger: not if you already have 3 buttons (if you have a wheel, that normally can be clicked as a button) |
| 04:30.15 | schroedinger | okay. brb. |
| 04:30.24 | peterS | TML: yeah, it's a pretty obvious line of inquiry |
| 04:30.42 | TML | peterS: My normal social group wouldn't catch the reference |
| 04:30.53 | schroedinger | now I'm at the place where I enter an identifier for my monitor. |
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| 04:31.02 | Atula | peterS, I thought fstab takes a certain form... like <fs> <mount point> and such... it would be okay to just write: /olddir /newdir non bind 0 0? |
| 04:31.07 | peterS | schroedinger: shrug, just type something, doesn't really matter |
| 04:31.09 | schroedinger | the default accurately describes my monitor. |
| 04:31.24 | peterS | Atula: well, 'none', not 'non', but yeah |
| 04:31.44 | schroedinger | Okay...I think I'm at the place where I can specify greater sizes... |
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| 04:32.02 | Atula | okay. thanks. lemme finish transfering file and give it a try |
| 04:32.13 | schroedinger | it asks for simple, medium and advanced... |
| 04:32.44 | schroedinger | still there, peterS? |
| 04:32.45 | peterS | schroedinger: that's for how much you know about your monitor specs. advanced is good if you have the monitor manual handy and can dig out "horizontal refresh" and "vertical refresh" rates |
| 04:33.10 | Caelum | or download the monitor spec from the manufacturer's web site |
| 04:33.14 | schroedinger | I think i should go with medium. I should be able to get 1024x768 which is what I want. |
| 04:33.19 | peterS | schroedinger: these things can also be probed by hardware (for 'plug n play monitors') if you have the right package installed |
| 04:33.31 | peterS | that package being "read-edid" |
| 04:33.37 | clueless | Is there command line program to extract region code information from a DVD? (I took a look at tcextract, tcprobe and none gives out that info,....) |
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| 04:34.12 | peterS | clueless: not that I've heard of |
| 04:34.45 | kreg | can someone suggest a way to troubleshoot an imapd? mta is working fine. trying to get to it with imap port 143 |
| 04:34.49 | Caelum | hrm, read-edid is not in sid looks like |
| 04:35.06 | Caelum | kreg: tail the log for the imap daemon |
| 04:35.18 | Caelum | kreg: if it runs from inetd, make sure you put it in inetd.conf |
| 04:35.30 | kreg | courier-imapd |
| 04:35.33 | Atula | peterS, the old directory,,, does it have to be the mount point of the drive? can I bind a folder of the mount dir to another folder? |
| 04:35.34 | kreg | k, i'll check |
| 04:35.43 | peterS | Caelum: it may be i386-specific or something. it certainly is in sid though |
| 04:35.46 | Atula | peterS, ah, perhaps that's the point of --bind to begin with. |
| 04:36.05 | peterS | Atula: you can bind-mount subdirectories, yes. this surprised me a little when I first discovered it |
| 04:36.30 | schroedinger | checking specs...brb |
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| 04:36.39 | Atula | peterS, cool. thanks. |
| 04:37.03 | fusionfox | peterS, i cannot acces the partition it says i dont got the permission, how can i make that any account can enter the partition? |
| 04:37.06 | peterS | Caelum: note that though the package is named 'read-edid', the commands in the package are not. what you normally want is 'get-edid | parse-edid' |
| 04:37.36 | peterS | fusionfox: depends on the filesystem type. if it's from a legacy OS, you have to use a mount option to change the permissions at mount time |
| 04:37.54 | fusionfox | peterS, it is an NTFS file system |
| 04:38.08 | fusionfox | peterS, windows XP partitions |
| 04:38.42 | schroedinger | okay, it maxes out at 1280x1024. |
| 04:38.53 | peterS | fusionfox: right, your legacy OS. you probably want 'umask=022' or similar in the options field of /etc/fstab |
| 04:39.05 | kreg | Caelum, i'm having trouble finding where imapd stores the log. |
| 04:39.24 | fusionfox | peterS: omg what??? (O_o) |
| 04:39.27 | kreg | even tried brute force look. find / -name *imap* |
| 04:39.45 | Caelum | kreg: it won't be imap. Which imap server are you using? |
| 04:39.58 | kreg | courier-imap |
| 04:40.21 | Caelum | kreg: try just /var/log/messages |
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| 04:40.29 | peterS | fusionfox: the fourth column of /etc/fstab is your options. currently you may just have 'default' in there meaning no particular options. try putting 'umask=022' in there instead, and umount then mount the partition |
| 04:40.30 | pure2 | cd /var/log;grep imap * |
| 04:40.38 | Eddie | hey jair, are you still around? |
| 04:41.25 | fusionfox | peterS, how do i unmount? |
| 04:41.43 | peterS | fusionfox: umount /name/of/filesystem |
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| 04:42.17 | fusionfox | peterS, put an example =P i dont understand it that way |
| 04:42.46 | schroedinger | okay. I'm ready to logout and log back in again. What was that keyboard combination when I'm at the login prompt? |
| 04:42.55 | peterS | fusionfox: dude, I have no idea where you have mounted your filesystem. I gave you the command, umount. you have to fill in where you mounted your filesystem |
| 04:43.07 | Caelum | schroedinger: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 04:43.09 | peterS | schroedinger: ctrl-alt-backspace. kind of a pun on the old msdos method of rebooting the machine |
| 04:43.18 | schroedinger | okay. bbl. |
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| 04:43.34 | peterS | that settles it. he's dead. |
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| 04:43.43 | liberty | make sure you typed umount not unmount |
| 04:43.48 | Caelum | peterS: I have ctrl+alt+del bound to gnome-system-monitor, to make it kind of like the task manager in windows :) |
| 04:43.59 | peterS | liberty: amusingly, both commands exist on AIX, and do the same thing |
| 04:44.05 | peterS | Caelum: heh |
| 04:44.38 | jair | Eddie, what happen? |
| 04:45.03 | terrencevak | Which packag do I need to get the X program? |
| 04:45.06 | kreg | Caelum, no, nothing useful /var/log/messages for imapd. (couriers imapd). however at the bottom of the man page there are examples for "folder status updates". i've never heard it called that, but would it help? |
| 04:45.14 | peterS | terrencevak: xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:45.25 | peterS | terrencevak: but you'll want other packages to support it, like some fonts, so just get x-window-system-core |
| 04:46.18 | Eddie | jair: I'm following the article at http://ch.tudelft.nl/~arthur/wpc54g/ |
| 04:46.47 | terrencevak | Whew! For half a second there the estimated time remaining was 16h4?m??s!!! |
| 04:46.47 | Eddie | jair: I reach the point of... iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 04:46.58 | jair | ok |
| 04:47.06 | jair | Eddie, what do you not understand? |
| 04:47.14 | Eddie | jair: and I get 'wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning.' |
| 04:47.23 | Eddie | jair: any ideas? |
| 04:47.28 | fusionfox | peterS, default, umask=022, or only umask=022? |
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| 04:47.37 | syn_ack | halt |
| 04:47.45 | peterS | fusionfox: don't put any spaces in. "default,umask=022" will work but you really don't need the "default," part |
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| 04:47.57 | peterS | fusionfox: so just "umask=022" (without "") |
| 04:47.57 | jair | Eddie, try to change the wlan0 for wlan1 or eth1 |
| 04:47.59 | schroedinger | peterS: dude...thanks for your help. |
| 04:48.11 | peterS | schroedinger: how goes it? |
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| 04:48.15 | liable | Eddie: do you see it in iwconfig? |
| 04:48.20 | schroedinger | it goes well. |
| 04:48.20 | Gumby | does anyone here encode/recode to xvid? looking for a decent way to recode all my tv recordings to save space |
| 04:48.26 | liable | Eddie: or ifconfig? |
| 04:48.30 | fusionfox | peterS, great that worked, thx |
| 04:48.30 | peterS | all is well, and all is well, and all manner of things will be well |
| 04:48.33 | schroedinger | 1280x1024 is itty bitty. |
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| 04:48.35 | SerajewelKS | i've just installed the msttcorefonts package, but the fonts aren't showing up anywhere. how do i update the font list? |
| 04:48.48 | schroedinger | so I'm at 1024x768. |
| 04:48.48 | kreg | is there a text based imap supported mail client i can test with to test an imapd locally? |
| 04:48.49 | fusionfox | peterS, but can i use it like a normal HDD or it have some restriction like i cannot Rw in it? |
| 04:48.50 | Eddie | jair: those don't work |
| 04:49.14 | peterS | fusionfox: 022 means non-root users can only read, not write, on that drive. if you want everyone to have read/write permission, use umask=0 |
| 04:49.20 | schroedinger | this reminds me of the days I would get support for my Amiga in a chat room. |
| 04:49.25 | peterS | fusionfox: hmm, wait |
| 04:49.27 | schroedinger | it still works. |
| 04:49.32 | Eddie | liable: Hi, I don't see it in ifconfig |
| 04:49.39 | tvn | SerajewelKS: put it in /etc/fonts/local.conf |
| 04:49.42 | liable | Eddie: ifconfig -a? |
| 04:49.57 | peterS | fusionfox: it's NTFS, that means you can't write *anyway*. after all these years, the linux ntfs driver is still not mature enough to write data reliably on an ntfs filesystem |
| 04:50.02 | schroedinger | Once you go hack, you never go back. |
| 04:50.13 | jair | Eddie, try iwconfig |
| 04:50.21 | SerajewelKS | tvn, there's no "rebuild font database" command? last time i did this i only had to copy the .ttf file into the font folder and it worked |
| 04:50.29 | fusionfox | peterS, how gai >_> i canot write in my ntfs partition no way |
| 04:50.33 | tvn | SerajewelKS: fc-cache I believe |
| 04:50.42 | schroedinger | Well, I gotta finish up the other stuff on this. I'm shopping distributions. |
| 04:50.44 | jair | Eddie, I think that you have to install the wireless-tools |
| 04:50.50 | schroedinger | Debian is the latest one. |
| 04:51.03 | schroedinger | do they have an update notification service? |
| 04:51.05 | Eddie | jair / liable: ok I see eth0, eth1, lo and sit0 from ifconfig -a |
| 04:51.10 | terrencevak | kreg: If someone has answered you, my apologies. I have other programs going too, so miss some things. But for a text-based imap program, you might try pine. |
| 04:51.12 | SerajewelKS | tvn, that didn't work either =/ |
| 04:51.12 | schroedinger | You know, like the Red Hat update button? |
| 04:51.21 | liable | Eddie: did the ndiswrapper -i command work? did you modprobe the module? does it show in lsmod? |
| 04:51.24 | peterS | fusionfox: ntfs is a very complex filesystem, and it took years to even decode how to read data from it reliably. (microsoft wasn't a very big help, as you might imagine.) now they've figured out all the info they need, but it's still a matter of coding reliable read/write support. last I heard, that was still not done |
| 04:51.44 | tvn | SerajewelKS: you put the ttf dir in /etc/font/local.conf ? |
| 04:51.52 | peterS | fusionfox: you can surf to http://linux-ntfs.sf.net/ to see how they're doing and help them if you want |
| 04:51.56 | liable | Eddie: fine try iwlist eth1 scan |
| 04:52.03 | jair | Eddie, nice |
| 04:52.12 | Eddie | liable: I think the ndiswrapper -i command worked... and I did the modprobe |
| 04:52.16 | SerajewelKS | tvn, the fonts got put in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ |
| 04:52.16 | fusionfox | peterS, lol i cannot configure my linux i dont think i would make a big help =P |
| 04:52.17 | jair | Eddie, eth1 have to be your wireless adapter |
| 04:52.23 | liable | Eddie: yeah looks ok. |
| 04:52.27 | fusionfox | peterS, lol even a little one |
| 04:52.37 | Eddie | liable: what is lsmod? |
| 04:52.53 | tvn | SerajewelKS: then you need to add that dir /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ to /etc/fonts/local.conf so fc-cache can rescan it |
| 04:52.57 | peterS | fusionfox: I note that that page was updated on October 10, 2005. obviously they're still active. (: |
| 04:53.00 | liable | Eddie: dont worry about it, it looks like its loaded, but it shows your loaded modules. |
| 04:53.04 | schroedinger | later... |
| 04:53.36 | fusionfox | peterS, it is a good thing to hear, but how wierd i remember that i could write things with Xandros and Knoppix (O_O) |
| 04:53.36 | jair | Eddie, what was the result of: iwlist eth1 scanning? |
| 04:54.10 | Eddie | jair: same 'Interface doesn't support scanning' |
| 04:54.18 | peterS | fusionfox: the ntfs linux kernel module has had support for writing for ages, but it's always been flagged as extremely unreliable and likely to eat your data. it's not something I would trust at this point |
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| 04:54.36 | SerajewelKS | tvn, i don't have a /etc/fonts/local.conf |
| 04:54.38 | Eddie | liable: which module do I want to see in lsmod.... ndiswrapper? |
| 04:54.40 | fusionfox | peterS, lol XD meanie =P |
| 04:54.46 | Eddie | liable: if so... it is present |
| 04:54.50 | liable | Eddie: does it show in iwconfig? |
| 04:54.52 | liable | yes |
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| 04:55.10 | peterS | fusionfox: an alternate approach was taken more recently with the 'CaptiveNTFS' driver, which uses the actual Windows NT NTFS driver in an emulated environment. apparently that works surprisingly well, considering what a weird hack that is |
| 04:55.11 | punkass | is there an easy way to get the horizsync and vertrefresh for an old old monitor? |
| 04:55.27 | peterS | fusionfox: it's possible that knoppix and/or xandros include captiventfs |
| 04:55.34 | Eddie | liable: iwconfig only shows lo, eth0, eth1 and sit0 |
| 04:55.55 | fusionfox | peterS, holy cow peterS how do yo uknow all that stuff XD impresive =) |
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| 04:56.02 | peterS | fusionfox: but obviously you need to have a copy of Windows NT (or 2000, or XP) on your machine in order for CaptiveNTFS to work. because nobody except Microsoft has the right to *distribute* that code |
| 04:56.10 | liable | Eddie: does eth1 have info about it? or no wireless extensions? |
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| 04:56.32 | peterS | fusionfox: (and knoppix and xandros aren't software pirates, so they don't distribute MS code they don't have permission to) |
| 04:56.33 | fusionfox | peterS, well i actually "own" a a copy of all windows =P |
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| 04:56.47 | tvn | SerajewelKS: just create one ... similar to /etc/fonts/fonts.conf , but do not add anything to /etc/fonts/fonts.conf as it will be overwritten |
| 04:56.51 | Eddie | liable: no... they all say 'no wireless extensions' |
| 04:56.59 | MrXerox | Anyone with an nvidia card running 2.6.14-rc3 that can pm me for a quick question? |
| 04:57.24 | SerajewelKS | tvn, just out of curiosity, why is /usr/share/fonts/truetype not in there by default |
| 04:57.39 | liable | Eddie: ok, then you should double check you got the right driver, i havent ever used ndiswrapper, so i cant help you there, sorry. |
| 04:57.51 | fusionfox | peterS, isnt ther another way to make it mountable without the mask thing? |
| 04:58.18 | SerajewelKS | tvn, ok put it there, ran fc-cache.. nothing showing up |
| 04:58.26 | Eddie | liable: Ok... thank you for your help... perhaps I'll try different versions of the driver |
| 04:58.38 | peterS | fusionfox: the mask only controls the default permissions applied to everything in the filesystem - since the linux ntfs driver doesn't bother trying to read the native permissions stored in the filesystem (the WinXP usernames wouldn't map sensibly to Unix usernames anyway) |
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| 04:58.59 | SerajewelKS | tvn, it does recurse, right? |
| 04:59.05 | Eddie | liable: thank you for your help |
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| 04:59.11 | fusionfox | peterS, and that means a no? |
| 04:59.33 | Eddie | jair: thank you too... pleae let me know if you have any other ideas |
| 04:59.37 | SerajewelKS | tvn, hrm according to fc-list they're all there... why don't they show up in any apps? |
| 04:59.37 | liable | Eddie: check down the bottom of the page you linked. |
| 04:59.42 | peterS | fusionfox: the default umask, if you don't specify one, is 077, which means only root can even look at the files in there. if you want a more permissive policy, you have to use the umask= options |
| 05:00.15 | fusionfox | where can i get a manual of umask??, peterS |
| 05:00.20 | peterS | fusionfox: 'man 8 mount' |
| 05:00.24 | tvn | SerajewelKS: I am not sure , I believed that's all I did to have ms fonts to work |
| 05:00.45 | ubuntu_ | hey i just downloaded debian 3.1 and installed the base system and i must have set up the configuration for the xserver or the screen wrong --- i am currently running ubuntu live , i was thinking that i could just copy the configuration that ubuntu cooked up to the right confige files.... where should i start looking? |
| 05:00.51 | SerajewelKS | tvn, they're showing up in gtk apps, but not qt apps |
| 05:01.21 | tvn | SerajewelKS: ah ok ... that I don't know ... |
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| 05:01.31 | Eddie | liable: do you think I have to follow that radio state thing? |
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| 05:01.55 | liable | Eddie: cant hurt to try. see if you can google any more info on it |
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| 05:02.09 | peterS | ubuntu_: might or might not work. the ubuntu config will be /etc/X11/xorg.conf or similar, debian stable uses /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 05:02.12 | litage | apache is writing huge #s of notice messages, such as "/var/log/user.log.0:38189:Sep 15 00:43:57 owl apache-ssl: login_form.php(1): ldapserver::isLoginAttrEnabled(): Returning (1)" how can i disable these? |
| 05:02.18 | ubuntu_ | cool |
| 05:02.19 | fishhead | you guys might want to check out the article on slashdot right now if you own a digital camera or camcorder, apprentely 4 companies including cannon and sony have shipped a ton of cameras with ccd modules that fail resulting in distorted or no picture |
| 05:02.24 | jair | Eddie, I will suggest to look for a newer documentation about your card |
| 05:02.37 | FliesLikeABrick | litage go to #apache for that |
| 05:03.05 | SerajewelKS | how do i get newly-installed fonts to work with qt apps? |
| 05:03.25 | SerajewelKS | oh wow there they are |
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| 05:03.32 | ubuntu_ | peterS how do you know so much? |
| 05:03.33 | Eddie | ok jair and liable: thank you both for your help... I'll try this and a few other things and then I'll probably have to call it a night for today -- thank you both again for your help |
| 05:03.35 | SerajewelKS | go figure.. they weren't there two minutes ago |
| 05:03.51 | peterS | ubuntu_: one learns things lots of places. not least just sitting in channels like #debian |
| 05:04.25 | ubuntu_ | peters true that |
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| 05:04.42 | peterS | haha - bug #332930 - someone on October 9 requests packaging a version of ntfsprogs released on October 7. someone beat me to it by one day. |
| 05:05.39 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 332930 |
| 05:05.42 | dpkg | #332930:W[ntfsprogs] ntfsprogs: new upstream version with fixes and enhancements; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:18:10 UTC |
| 05:06.04 | kreg | i can telnet into my imapd remotely, but i can't get my thunderbird client to connect to it remotely |
| 05:06.15 | jair | Eddie, I will follow up with you on this :) |
| 05:06.20 | jair | Eddie, other day |
| 05:06.34 | SerajewelKS | which package contains the Lucida Console font |
| 05:07.08 | reezeh | nn all :) |
| 05:07.13 | ubuntu_ | anybody know the su password for ubuntu live? |
| 05:07.24 | dondelelcaro | ubuntu_: #ubuntu |
| 05:07.26 | liable | #ubuntu might |
| 05:07.26 | SerajewelKS | ubuntu_, ask in #ubuntu |
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| 05:07.58 | terrencevak | There's a lucida font for the console? I thought there was just a standard terminal font. |
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| 05:08.14 | SerajewelKS | terrencevak, that's the name of the font... Lucida Console... |
| 05:08.57 | terrencevak | Ah, OK. So there *is* only one style then. |
| 05:09.11 | SerajewelKS | terrencevak, wtf are you talking about |
| 05:09.17 | peterS | terrencevak: lucida is a whole family of fonts, including Lucida Console |
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| 05:09.43 | SerajewelKS | still.. what package are they in? |
| 05:09.45 | FliesLikeABrick | terrencevak have you always been blind? |
| 05:10.08 | terrencevak | peterS: Ah, OK. Gotcha. I confess to being a bit uneducated in the font field. |
| 05:10.13 | FliesLikeABrick | heh |
| 05:10.45 | punkass | hmm shouldnt dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 recreate the XFree68-4 file? |
| 05:11.03 | peterS | punkass: not if you've manually edited it. if you haven't, it will |
| 05:11.15 | tvn | SerajewelKS: apt-get install apt-file and use it to search for lucida |
| 05:11.23 | punkass | oh..is there way to force it to create one? |
| 05:11.29 | peterS | punkass: this is a strange choice but a logical one if you know all the issues. still, you may wish to tell it "do it anyway", which is accomplished with the line: |
| 05:11.36 | tvn | SerajewelKS: nevermind ... that assumed you already have packages containing lucida* installed |
| 05:11.37 | SerajewelKS | tvn, packages.d.o doesn't show much though |
| 05:11.42 | cahoot | SerajewelKS: considered pdo? |
| 05:11.54 | SerajewelKS | cahoot, wtf? |
| 05:12.00 | peterS | punkass: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 05:12.37 | punkass | peterS: eww...ok |
| 05:12.54 | peterS | punkass: pretty gross as workarounds go, but there *were* reasons for this at least when it was introduced |
| 05:13.05 | VivekVC | Why is the GNU FDL considered a non-free license by Debian ? |
| 05:13.05 | Eddie | hey guys... I've loaded multiple files into vi... can any of you tell me how to move from one buffer to the next? |
| 05:13.39 | punkass | ah ok...i edited my horizsync...now i just want whatever setting debian uses for 800x600 @ 60hz |
| 05:13.45 | VivekVC | Can i have a URL to refer to on the above issue. Thanks in advance. |
| 05:13.46 | KyoTik | what is the command to install a deb ? |
| 05:13.56 | Maulkin | dpkg -i |
| 05:14.04 | KyoTik | thanks |
| 05:14.10 | MrXerox | Anyone with an nvidia card running 2.6.14-rc3 that can pm me for a quick question? |
| 05:14.30 | Maulkin | VivekVC: Google for it. |
| 05:14.32 | FliesLikeABrick | MrXerox perhaps you can ask in chan so we can all learn a li'l something? |
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| 05:14.40 | Maulkin | VivekVC: I don't know it off the top of my head. |
| 05:14.41 | SerajewelKS | !tell MrXerox about in the channel |
| 05:14.50 | FliesLikeABrick | !tell FliesLikeABrick about in the channel |
| 05:14.53 | jair | guys If I want to run debian in a very very old machine, the version I should use is woody right? this machine will be use as a text server only: 16MB and processor 75Mhz speed. |
| 05:15.00 | KyoTik | Maulkin: that works, how do i get it to install the dependencies and then install the package? |
| 05:15.19 | Maulkin | KyoTik: Erm... you dont' |
| 05:15.24 | liable | KyoTik: you use apt-get |
| 05:15.26 | Maulkin | You'll need to use apt for that |
| 05:15.27 | SerajewelKS | got it.. the lucida fonts come with sun's java |
| 05:15.30 | peterS | jair: hard to say for sure. probably woody yeah |
| 05:15.32 | Maulkin | + "-get" |
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| 05:15.44 | Eddie | ok.. I found the answer... :next moves you from one buffer to another in vi |
| 05:15.48 | peterS | SerajewelKS: a version of them also comes with TeX but I'm not sure if you can convince the X server to use those |
| 05:16.06 | Maulkin | KyoTik: dpkg doesn't have any dependancy logic in it. |
| 05:16.16 | jair | peterS, what else do you think I can do with this machine? I have netbsd installed right now but it is a hassle install everyhting |
| 05:16.19 | KyoTik | well i know synaptic will install the dependencies required for you, how do u do it like that from the command line |
| 05:16.30 | SerajewelKS | ugh.. this whole font thing is way over-complicated in every linux distro i've ever used |
| 05:16.45 | jair | peterS, I am not saying that is not good but all the configuration have to be very very manual, controlled |
| 05:16.57 | KyoTik | Maulkin, ok then how do i install a deb package, so that it automatically gets the Dependencies it requires? |
| 05:17.03 | peterS | SerajewelKS: some design decisions made 18 years ago have come back to haunt us and we're only now getting out from under them |
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| 05:17.16 | fusionfox | peterS, what was the program again to rw the ntfs file systems? |
| 05:17.28 | jair | peterS, I was thinking in convert it a firewall, but smoothwall and ipcop will not be able of run the proxy server, to little memory 16MB |
| 05:17.44 | JerJer[mobile] | i just did a new netinst of debian but my iBook 'delete' key doesn't work as expected - what do i need to change to fix this? |
| 05:17.46 | MrXerox | Ok, Im a n00b here and I am to the point that I am trying to install the nvidia drivers to my 2.6.14-rc3 kernal but am stuck on the "kernel headers" are there headers I should be using for 2.6.14-rc3 anywhere? |
| 05:17.59 | peterS | fusionfox: there are two ways, it would seem. one is captiventfs, which I don't know where that's available from, although I suppose google probably knows. the other is the ntfsmount FUSE module, which you already read about at linux-ntfs.sf.net |
| 05:18.04 | tvn | SerajewelKS: I use Bit Stream Vera Sans Mono with rxvt-unicode and it suits me well |
| 05:18.05 | Maulkin | KyoTik: erm... something like "dpkg -i foo.deb|grep |
| 05:18.08 | Maulkin | ack... |
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| 05:18.19 | SerajewelKS | major crap... lucida console isn't in the sun java package |
| 05:18.39 | kreg | do i need to configure courier-imapd for users? i can get to the imapd, but it fails at login attempt. |
| 05:18.40 | Maulkin | KyoTik: erm... something like "dpkg -i foo.deb|grep 'unmet dependancies'|cut -d':' -f 2|apt-get install |
| 05:18.42 | peterS | JerJer[mobile]: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 05:18.45 | tvn | SerajewelKS: try the package roxen-fonts-iso8859-1 |
| 05:18.50 | Maulkin | Something like that at a guess |
| 05:18.57 | JerJer[mobile] | peterS: ahh yes - thank you |
| 05:19.15 | SerajewelKS | E: Couldn't find package roxen-fonts-iso8859-1 |
| 05:19.19 | peterS | JerJer[mobile]: I'm not sure what to suggest as a proper keymap, it actually depends on your kernel version (2.4 or 2.6) and is too complicated for me to keep in my head |
| 05:19.22 | peterS | JerJer[mobile]: since I don't even have a mac |
| 05:19.25 | deadcat | install-grub /dev/hda is to MBR right? |
| 05:19.31 | KyoTik | Maulkin, i doubt thats the way you do it, im sure their is some way to do it with a certain switch |
| 05:19.31 | liable | KyoTik: you can force it, then apt-get -f install, if the dependancies are in the debian archives. |
| 05:19.44 | deadcat | my friend's root part. is /dev/hda3, but we want it in MBR |
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| 05:20.02 | SerajewelKS | !info roxen-fonts-iso8859-1 etch |
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| 05:20.14 | SerajewelKS | yeah it doesn't exist =/ |
| 05:20.14 | tvn | SerajewelKS: sarge has it |
| 05:20.27 | SerajewelKS | tvn, according to p.d.o so does testing... weird |
| 05:20.39 | JerJer[mobile] | i wonder if pico is just forked up... it only seems to effect pico :( |
| 05:20.42 | liable | deadcat: should do it. or you could just use 'grub' |
| 05:20.43 | peterS | terrencevak: wow, how embarrassing. I have no idea why but I kept saying 'Lucida Console' when I meant 'Lucida Typewriter' |
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| 05:21.14 | deadcat | liable: grub? isnt install-grub /dev/hda is using grub? |
| 05:21.25 | SerajewelKS | peterS, the drift problem is gone anyway.. so the reinstall fixed that |
| 05:21.30 | drp2 | pkg-config --modversion returns that my glib-2.0 is vers. 2.6.6 but in a ./configure it says a 2.6.4 was found |
| 05:21.35 | SerajewelKS | peterS, glx works properly now too |
| 05:21.38 | drp2 | I just installed the newest glib from source |
| 05:21.38 | peterS | deadcat: surely you mean grub-install rather than install-grub |
| 05:21.46 | SerajewelKS | now i just gotta reinstall my fonts =/ |
| 05:21.47 | deadcat | liable: my friend is reinstalling windows. his debian is fine. he just need to get grub to show up later |
| 05:21.47 | drp2 | how do I update this? |
| 05:21.53 | deadcat | peterS: ah (= |
| 05:21.58 | JerJer[mobile] | peterS: its odd - i have other debian installs that are fine |
| 05:22.06 | peterS | drp2: whyever did you do that? |
| 05:22.15 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 05:22.19 | drp2 | peterS, do what? |
| 05:22.20 | liable | deadcat: its a more basic use, grub-install is a script of sorts i think. |
| 05:22.24 | peterS | drp2: compile glib from source |
| 05:22.29 | SerajewelKS | which reminds me... is there an initscript for iptables, or do i have to write my own to restore rules at boot? |
| 05:22.36 | drp2 | peterS, to get the latest version |
| 05:22.40 | peterS | drp2: why? |
| 05:22.57 | drp2 | peterS, I just wanted the latest version |
| 05:22.58 | deadcat | peterS: boot live cd, mount /mnt/hda3; chroot /mnt/hda3 /bin/bash; mount -a; grub-install /dev/hda ok? |
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| 05:23.01 | peterS | drp2: glib is hardly a glamorous piece of code. the "latest version" makes very little difference for most people |
| 05:23.06 | drp2 | peterS, I guess it was unneeded but eh |
| 05:23.09 | JerJer[mobile] | sorry it looks like pico was symlinked to nano |
| 05:23.11 | liable | deadcat: but yeah, grub-install /dev/hda should do it. |
| 05:23.21 | peterS | deadcat: something like that |
| 05:23.25 | deadcat | k |
| 05:23.56 | peterS | drp2: of all the things you might have wanted a newer version of, libglib seems a very odd choice. what do you use it for? |
| 05:24.25 | drp2 | peterS, it was a dependency in another package I was installing |
| 05:24.40 | JerJer[mobile] | peterS: thanks for trying to help |
| 05:24.59 | peterS | !info libglib2.0-0 sarge |
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| 05:25.03 | dpkg | libglib2.0-0: (The GLib library of C routines), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.6.4-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 439 kB, Installed size: 933 kB |
| 05:26.01 | drp2 | peterS, so I shouldn't be using the newest version of glib-2.0? |
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| 05:26.29 | peterS | drp2: who knows, maybe you have need of it, though I thought most apps didn't care too much what version of it they got |
| 05:26.37 | bjb_ | Where is the file format for update-exim4.conf.conf described? |
| 05:26.39 | Mr_Blonde | hi there |
| 05:26.45 | SerajewelKS | yay got the font... apparently it wasn't in a package at all, i had copied it from my winxp install :> |
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| 05:27.12 | peterS | SerajewelKS: go figure. could be in the non-free msttcorefonts? |
| 05:27.20 | drp2 | peterS, I think it was a req. for the newest gtk |
| 05:27.23 | SerajewelKS | peterS, no, i have that |
| 05:27.37 | bjb_ | Or, more specifically, how do I specify multiple values for dc_other_hostnames in update-exim4.conf.conf? comma-separated? space-separated? colon-separated? ...? |
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| 05:28.15 | peterS | bjb_: the mere existence of a file with such a name as update-exim4.conf.conf fills me with unquiet foreboding |
| 05:28.29 | bjb_ | peterS, lol! |
| 05:28.40 | bjb_ | yeah well. me too. |
| 05:28.47 | peterS | seriously, that's a scary name |
| 05:28.57 | fusionfox | peterS, i got i_386 or something like that if i download a file i586 will it work?? |
| 05:29.00 | peterS | I'm a postfix dude, so I can't help you, I just thought I'd throw that out |
| 05:29.06 | bjb_ | consider the undocumented format and be even more afraid |
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| 05:29.18 | bjb_ | I've never been smart enough to heed fear :-( |
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| 05:29.49 | peterS | fusionfox: "download a file i586"? nothing in debian uses the architecture designation i586 so you must be referring to third-party software probably in binary form |
| 05:30.03 | bjb_ | Well, I guess update-exim4.conf.conf is a debian add-on to exim, or I'd ask the #exim folk |
| 05:30.07 | peterS | fusionfox: as such we can't make any particular guarantees about what will work and what won't, or what it might do to your system along the way |
| 05:30.26 | fusionfox | i am tryong to get the NTFS driver |
| 05:30.27 | peterS | fusionfox: however, all Intel / AMD CPUs manufactured since 1995 or so are i586-compatible |
| 05:30.30 | Gnea | wow, k3b has improved a LOT |
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| 05:30.56 | peterS | bjb_: *nod*. wish I could help, but, y'know, I'm also kind of glad to be ignorant |
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| 05:31.40 | UdontKnow | peterS: wave him byebye |
| 05:31.42 | UdontKnow | ;) |
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| 05:31.52 | peterS | UdontKnow: right, right. diie, 'iieiaa |
| 05:31.57 | bjb_ | It's just a m4 file, but I'm not that familiar with m4 (I *think* m4 is the macro program?) |
| 05:32.22 | UdontKnow | bah |
| 05:32.29 | peterS | bjb_: right, m4 is a generalised text macro processor, like cpp but not as specific |
| 05:32.33 | UdontKnow | I hate this statistics thing :P |
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| 05:32.49 | SerajewelKS | peterS, you know why qt apps aren't showing any of my new fonts? |
| 05:33.13 | peterS | SerajewelKS: nope. I don't run any Qt apps, except sometimes I test lyx to help its maintainer |
| 05:33.43 | fusionfox | peterS, i downloaded the ntfsprogs how do i use em?? |
| 05:34.18 | SerajewelKS | peterS, well it's showing *some* fonts |
| 05:34.20 | peterS | fusionfox: surely they come with documentation. my nearest NTFS filesystem is several miles away and I haven't needed anything off it in a very long time, so I am quite out of date |
| 05:34.55 | fusionfox | (O_O) and wher ecan i get documentation about ntfsprogs =P |
| 05:35.10 | peterS | fusionfox: reference is made to the ntfsmount FUSE module, so I'd start by installing debian packages related to FUSE, which is a kernel module framework, which might require a bit of fun with kernel module compiling |
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| 05:35.50 | fusionfox | (O_o) and..... prgorams realted to FUse?? |
| 05:35.51 | peterS | fusionfox: specifically 'fuse-source' and the kernel source for your installed kernel, and 'fuse-utils', would be good places to start |
| 05:35.54 | fusionfox | compiling?? |
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| 05:36.13 | fusionfox | peterS, with apt-get?? |
| 05:36.23 | peterS | I fortunately have never had to worry about FUSE, so I can't really give any details |
| 05:36.36 | fusionfox | dang (O_o) |
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| 05:36.50 | SerajewelKS | fusionfox, apt-get install module-assistant |
| 05:36.57 | fusionfox | and do you play games with linux, cause thats the only stopping for me going full linux =P i play games |
| 05:36.58 | SerajewelKS | fusionfox, m-a a-i fuse |
| 05:37.02 | SerajewelKS | modprobe fuse |
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| 05:37.32 | lui | hello, is there a spanish debian channel? |
| 05:37.39 | fusionfox | hhmm.... |
| 05:37.48 | peterS | lui: #debian-es |
| 05:37.49 | SerajewelKS | lui, #debian-es IIRC |
| 05:38.02 | fusionfox | this is so complicated >_< |
| 05:38.07 | lui | thank you guys |
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| 05:38.37 | Pryon | .do? |
| 05:38.50 | Pryon | dominican republic? |
| 05:38.58 | litage | if apache-ssl runs as www-data and reads certs and keys from /etc/ssl-certs/, how can apache-ssl read the certs and keys if /etc/ssl-certs/ is chown'd root:ssl-certs and chmod'd 751? |
| 05:39.01 | b0xy | where is the config that lets you choose what window manager starts automatically? |
| 05:39.02 | peterS | Pryon: zgrep DO /usr/share/misc/countries.gz |
| 05:39.16 | peterS | and yes, it's the dominican republic |
| 05:39.20 | Pryon | ah, nifty. Thanks! |
| 05:40.15 | peterS | Pryon: the 2-letter ISO 3166 country abbreviations (in the above-mentioned file) are used as top-level domains, so that makes things easy |
| 05:42.04 | pacman | except for GB/.uk |
| 05:42.07 | jm__ | litage: what do you think bit 1 means? |
| 05:42.13 | pacman | I don't have the /usr/share/misc/countries.gz, what package is that? |
| 05:42.21 | b0xy | anyone? where is the config that lets you choose what window manager starts automatically? |
| 05:42.26 | peterS | pacman: I'll be. it's in 'miscfiles' |
| 05:42.54 | jm__ | ISO codes are also in iso3166.tab file which is installed as base |
| 05:42.58 | peterS | pacman: but 'iso-codes' is probably a more sensible package, it's got /usr/share/iso-codes/iso_3166.tab |
| 05:43.01 | pacman | maybe you mean update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 05:43.06 | pacman | yeah, I found that one already. |
| 05:43.20 | litage | jm__: allow the world to step into the dir |
| 05:43.28 | jm__ | or /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab |
| 05:43.33 | peterS | jm__: oh yeah |
| 05:43.36 | jm__ | litage: right |
| 05:43.43 | fusionfox | peterS, can i make a windows partition ext2, ext3??? |
| 05:43.44 | jm__ | peterS: so it looks like it exists in multiple locations, interesting |
| 05:43.59 | peterS | jm__: yep, three copies of that data, two of them in the same format |
| 05:44.12 | litage | jm__: so why would it be able to read? |
| 05:44.20 | peterS | fusionfox: if you don't mind blowing away all your windows data (and, if present, the OS itself), you can |
| 05:44.49 | fusionfox | (O_o) so i can install a windows XP on a ext3? so i can make it RW?? |
| 05:44.53 | jm_ | litage: you just answered your own question - allow the world to step into the dir |
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| 05:45.09 | litage | jm_: it doesn't allow the world to read the files in the dir though |
| 05:45.17 | peterS | fusionfox: ask Microsoft. last I heard they had no plans to support Linux-specific filesystems, though |
| 05:45.21 | jm_ | litage: that depends on permissions on the files ... |
| 05:45.58 | litage | jm_: right. 751 doesn't allow reading of files in the dir; only entering the dir |
| 05:46.11 | peterS | litage: sure you can read files. what you can't do is read the *names* of the files |
| 05:46.14 | pacman | litage, read permission on a directory means only one thing: you can get the list of names of files in the directory (by running ls for example). Nothing else depends on directory read permissions. |
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| 05:46.18 | peterS | litage: so you have to know already what the files are named |
| 05:46.28 | jm_ | litage: no, you can read them if you know the filename |
| 05:46.41 | jm_ | indeed |
| 05:46.50 | litage | but reading is still dependent upon file permissions |
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| 05:46.57 | peterS | litage: yes, as always |
| 05:47.17 | litage | the files in /etc/ssl-certs/ are owned root:ssl-certs and chmod'd 440 |
| 05:47.39 | terrencevak | Why might I be getting "(EE) No devices detected." when I try to start my X server? |
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| 05:48.09 | peterS | terrencevak: read the whole /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see where else it had problems. EE and WW lines are interesting. |
| 05:48.35 | peterS | terrencevak: (that is, "error" and "warning" lines) |
| 05:49.44 | terrencevak | Right; I'm looking at that now. Says it couldn't open /proc/APM. |
| 05:49.44 | kreg | does courier-imap require any configs to agree with PAM ? |
| 05:49.45 | jm_ | well maybe apache reads them before it changes permissions |
| 05:50.04 | kreg | i can get there, but i can't login. also i havne't found a log to look for errors. |
| 05:50.13 | jm_ | not permissions but uid/gid |
| 05:50.44 | jm_ | should be easy to find out using strace |
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| 05:52.04 | fusionfox | peterS, whats does umask=0277 means it doesnt explain very well?? |
| 05:52.32 | peterS | fusionfox: only root can read the file or directory in question |
| 05:52.42 | ce_mha^_^shaum | hhhhhhhiiiiiiii |
| 05:52.51 | ce_mha^_^shaum | how do u do |
| 05:52.55 | fusionfox | peterS, and what about umask=777?? |
| 05:53.00 | peterS | fusionfox: this is explained, very poorly, in 'man 2 umask' |
| 05:53.17 | peterS | ce_mha^_^shaum: you need a couple more characters for your nick, the freenode limit is 16, not 14 |
| 05:53.47 | jm_ | and don't bother using regular characters, go for obscene ones, such as {} |
| 05:53.51 | peterS | you don't want 0777, it means nobody can read the file or directory |
| 05:54.05 | terrencevak | Would a message like "Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No symbols found" contribute to my X server not starting up correctly? |
| 05:54.13 | jm_ | no |
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| 05:54.47 | fusionfox | peterS, sorry to bother but i didnt understand, how do i figure how does th enumbers affect the partition? |
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| 05:55.04 | xcrash | is there a bnc program i can install using apt-get |
| 05:55.25 | usn_work | good morning |
| 05:55.26 | jm_ | !tell xcrash -about search |
| 05:55.36 | terrencevak | OK. Thanks. What about the fact that it can't find /proc/APM? |
| 05:55.51 | peterS | fusionfox: subtract the umask from octal number 777, the meaning of the various things that add up to 777 is explained, rather tersely, in 'man 2 creat' |
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| 05:56.19 | smartbhai | hi has anyone installed grub to a usb stick |
| 05:56.46 | drp2 | peterS, do you know how to solve that glib problem I'm having? |
| 05:56.52 | xcrash | jm_, apt-cache search bnc 'no reulsts" |
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| 05:57.18 | peterS | drp2: I have no idea what glib problem you are having. if it has to do with installing a package from source, you're pretty much on your own as far as *using* the package afterwards |
| 05:57.41 | peterS | xcrash: what is bnc, other than a type of coaxial cable connector? |
| 05:57.49 | jm_ | xcrash: don't search for bnc, use other keywords, say "irc proxy" or just a generic TCP/IP bouncer |
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| 05:58.59 | drp2 | pkg-config --modversion returns that my glib-2.0 is vers. 2.6.6 but in a ./configure it says a 2.6.4 was found |
| 05:59.01 | jm_ | or forwarder |
| 05:59.04 | drp2 | that was the problem I was having |
| 05:59.46 | peterS | drp2: strange that 2.6.4 vs. 2.6.6 would make any difference for you. glib 2.8 has been out for awhile now (it's in debian unstable) |
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| 06:01.05 | terrencevak | If the mouse can't be configured, would that stop X from loading? |
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| 06:01.21 | jm_ | yes, it usually does, but can be told not to |
| 06:01.22 | peterS | terrencevak: that's *probably* just a harmless warning about the 'generic mouse' device |
| 06:01.53 | terrencevak | jm_: How do I get around that? |
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| 06:02.22 | jm_ | terrencevak: peterS has already told you, it's all in X logfile, paste it on some pastebin if you can't figure it out |
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| 06:05.44 | encompass | morning/evening to everyone |
| 06:06.07 | encompass | how do I probe to know what graphics card my lappy has? |
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| 06:06.17 | peterS | drp2: you might have less trouble by doing this: echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main"; apt-get update; mkdir /tmp/glib; cd /tmp/glib; apt-get -b source glib2.0 |
| 06:06.35 | peterS | drp2: that's how to build a glib 2.8 .deb package for your sarge system |
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| 06:07.41 | fusionfox | peterS, i still got the prob that i cannot play 2 things at say time because of sound.., how do i fix this? |
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| 06:09.16 | peterS | fusionfox: I'm not sure why alsa imposes that constraint with some sound cards but not with others |
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| 06:09.51 | peterS | fusionfox: one workaround is to install and run a software mixer daemon, such as 'esd' |
| 06:10.14 | fusionfox | i already installed DMIX, peterS |
| 06:10.31 | fusionfox | should i install esd too, peterS ?? |
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| 06:11.41 | peterS | fusionfox: I have no idea what dmix is or where you got it |
| 06:12.08 | fusionfox | peterS, lol XD i tho you wher the guy who recommend it to me |
| 06:12.17 | caphuso | peterS: it's how alsa handles multiple clients on hardware that doesn't do it natively |
| 06:12.18 | fusionfox | oh well how do i uninstall it? |
| 06:12.45 | peterS | fusionfox: wasn't I |
| 06:12.48 | liable | remove the file. |
| 06:13.21 | peterS | fusionfox: if it were working properly you'd not have the problem you're having. why it isn't working properly is more than I can say since I don't even know how to set it up |
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| 06:15.06 | fusionfox | peterS, well it is i got sound but it only emule one sound at time if i try to see a movie and then open xmms to hear an mp3 it says that there is an error cause audio is already in use |
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| 06:15.35 | peterS | I know the symptoms. what I don't know is where dmix comes into it. caphuso told me what it is, but I don't know anything about how it works |
| 06:15.51 | jm_ | !+dmix |
| 06:15.51 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 06:16.11 | jm_ | or just buy a card that can do it in hardware |
| 06:16.21 | peterS | (or why, in this case, it doesn't) |
| 06:16.35 | torc | can i netinst sarge using floppies to bootstrap the installer? |
| 06:17.42 | terrencevak | OK, I can see my mouse moving in the console, but I get the errors I pasted at http://channels.debian.net/paste/886 when I try to run X. What could cause this? |
| 06:18.27 | peterS | torc: some floppy images have been generated. http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
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| 06:19.11 | peterS | torc: you need boot.img, root.img, net-drivers.img, but not cd-drivers.img if you don't plan to use a CDROM drive |
| 06:19.20 | encompass | I think I can use a better driver then my vesafb for my lappy but I am not sure, can someone show me how to probe the system for the kind of card I have? |
| 06:19.24 | jm_ | terrencevak: are you using 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:19.52 | terrencevak | jm_: No, unfortunately it's still 2.4. |
| 06:20.01 | nevyn | encompass: run lspci |
| 06:20.05 | peterS | terrencevak: did I tell you to use /dev/input/mice? I must have thought you were running kernel 2.6, whereas you are actually running 2.4.27 or so |
| 06:20.07 | encompass | thanks |
| 06:20.15 | jm_ | terrencevak: wrong device most likely |
| 06:20.32 | peterS | terrencevak: so 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and this time use mouse device "/dev/psaux" |
| 06:20.50 | torc | peterS: is it possible to somehow load smbfs support for that kernel? |
| 06:21.13 | peterS | torc: I don't know what filesystem modules are available at install time, offhand. you probably can. |
| 06:21.16 | jm_ | peterS: wouldn't it be better for him to use gpmdata because he apparently has gpm running already? |
| 06:21.22 | peterS | jm_: ah, true |
| 06:21.28 | torc | peterS: as floppies already include dpkg, its possible to install some curl.deb, right? |
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| 06:21.36 | victor | spanish |
| 06:21.41 | peterS | torc: maybe, maybe not |
| 06:21.43 | encompass | it says the s3 savage IX/MV now what drive do I change the system to in xf86conf? |
| 06:21.45 | peterS | victor: #debian-es |
| 06:21.56 | torc | peterS: i am just thinking about backing up the hd image before the install. what is the most easy way for such a network backup? |
| 06:21.57 | terrencevak | peterS: Actually, when I got x-window-system-core, it came with xorg. |
| 06:22.01 | victor | thank you |
| 06:22.11 | peterS | encompass: the driver is named 'savage' |
| 06:22.21 | encompass | thanks |
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| 06:22.58 | peterS | torc: in the past I've used tar + nc. debian-installer comes with a simple implementation of nc. |
| 06:23.13 | torc | peterS: ah, then its fine! thanks :) |
| 06:23.35 | peterS | torc: it was a pleasant surprise to see that debian-installer had 'nc' available (: |
| 06:23.58 | torc | peterS: yeah, splendid. |
| 06:23.58 | jm_ | heh I needed that once on HP-UX, had to write something silly in perl to emualte it |
| 06:24.12 | kreg | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 06:24.13 | kreg | dpkg: error processing uw-imapd (--configure): |
| 06:24.14 | kreg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:24.26 | jm_ | kreg: keyword being BTS |
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| 06:24.46 | peterS | jm_: eh? I once wrote a simple perl uudecode so I could copy and paste a simple ftp client binary across terminal windows to a machine that had no way to download files |
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| 06:24.58 | kreg | jm_, ? |
| 06:25.05 | jm_ | kreg: check the BTS |
| 06:25.16 | torc | kreg: bug tracking system ;) |
| 06:25.20 | peterS | jm_: I suppose writing a perl nc would have been just as easy, if I had been smart enough to think of that in those days |
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| 06:25.58 | jm_ | peterS: well it wasn't anything like nc, just its "listen on a port and dump things on stdout" feature |
| 06:26.08 | peterS | jm_: right. all you need for bootstrapping. |
| 06:26.09 | pacman | how about uuencoding to your tty, in a DOS terminal emulator with logging enabled, and decoding with a uudecode.exe |
| 06:26.28 | encompass | PeterS Thank you very much it looks like it is working right |
| 06:26.40 | peterS | pacman: haven't done that. this remote linux machine didn't have uu* installed, nor any ftp clients, but it did have perl. |
| 06:27.03 | peterS | dondelelcaro: maybe that's why I chose uuencode as my codec for this operation (: |
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| 06:27.27 | peterS | dondelelcaro: in fact, that *was* why |
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| 06:27.41 | encompass | outa here! |
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| 06:27.53 | pacman | of course you gzip before the uuencode, makes it smaller before making it bigger :) |
| 06:27.57 | jm_ | ttyrec is also handy for that, it can uudecode on the fly |
| 06:27.58 | terrencevak | What is DDC? |
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| 06:28.08 | peterS | terrencevak: monitor plug n play |
| 06:28.22 | peterS | terrencevak: used by windows and, optionally, most linuxes, to determine what your monitor is capable of displaying |
| 06:28.35 | peterS | terrencevak: that's what the 'read-edid' package is for, in debian |
| 06:29.22 | jm_ | what kernel features does read-edid need to work? I know it worked on my old workstation where I had working lm-sensors and i2c modules, but doesn't work on my current one |
| 06:29.52 | peterS | jm_: I'm not sure it requires anything kernel-side at all. I think it just needs a graphics card that supports the right magic, which not all cards do |
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| 06:30.44 | jm_ | peterS: hmm pretty odd then, I had some really crappy nvidia based card back then, and now I have another nvidia based card, but much better, same monitor |
| 06:30.59 | peterS | jm_: also requires VESA BIOS extensions, which are pretty likely to be only available on i386 and amd64 |
| 06:31.15 | peterS | ...and I'm not sure about amd64 |
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| 06:32.50 | jm_ | peterS: that is/was available on both machines, I wonder if there's a way to get DDC info in Windows, then I can test it at home to see if it works there |
| 06:33.19 | sep | evolution data server on debian sarge uses a lot of memory. is this normal ? it takes 40% mem on a 512 MB system after a weeks uptime |
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| 06:33.41 | peterS | jm_: I don't know. I do notice that get-edid tries two modes, DDC1 and DDC2. maybe there is a DDC3 or something that it doesn't know about |
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| 06:35.18 | jm_ | it would help if card manufacturers would list such details |
| 06:35.56 | jm_ | nice, X server decided it's time to chew on CPU |
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| 06:36.41 | terrencevak | OK... at least X starts up. But I seem to have lost my mouse. |
| 06:38.10 | peterS | terrencevak: jm_ pointed out that you might have better luck using the gpm repeater |
| 06:38.11 | terrencevak | Is there a way to run in X mouseless, or do I need to fix that? |
| 06:38.13 | peterS | !gpm+x |
| 06:38.13 | dpkg | from memory, gpm+x is how to install gpm and X to share your mouse. Configure gpm (using gpmconfig) to use 'repeat_type=ms3' and your correct mouse type (often "autops2"), and configure X to use Option "Device" "/dev/gpmdata" and Option "Protocol" "Intellimouse", regardless of your actual mouse type. |
| 06:38.37 | Atula | where the heck is the xchat config file? I can't seem to find it in home |
| 06:38.45 | peterS | gpm+x =~ s/Configure gpm (using gpmconfig) to/'dpkg-reconfigure gpm',/ |
| 06:38.48 | peterS | !gpm+x =~ s/Configure gpm (using gpmconfig) to/'dpkg-reconfigure gpm',/ |
| 06:38.49 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
| 06:38.51 | peterS | !gpm+x |
| 06:38.51 | dpkg | it has been said that gpm+x is how to install gpm and X to share your mouse. 'dpkg-reconfigure gpm', use 'repeat_type=ms3' and your correct mouse type (often "autops2"), and configure X to use Option "Device" "/dev/gpmdata" and Option "Protocol" "Intellimouse", regardless of your actual mouse type. |
| 06:39.00 | peterS | there we go |
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| 06:39.28 | jm_ | so it uses debconf now? |
| 06:39.33 | peterS | jm_: yes |
| 06:39.49 | peterS | jm_: in kind of a primitive way - I want to fix that but never seem to get around to it |
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| 06:40.05 | sep | Atula, ~/.xchat2 on mine |
| 06:40.06 | Atula | peterS, do you know where the config file of xchat? |
| 06:40.06 | daxxar | Hm. Do I need both the sync/refresh-rates in my monitor config? I can only find one of them for my laptop monitor. |
| 06:40.14 | sep | Atula, that is a dir btw |
| 06:40.15 | Atula | it's not in my ~/ |
| 06:40.19 | daxxar | (for xorg) |
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| 06:40.27 | jm_ | daxxar: they're related, so it definitely helps to have th right values for both |
| 06:40.38 | Atula | nm |
| 06:40.41 | sep | Atula, notice the .xchat2 means it's a hidden dir, try ls -lha |
| 06:40.45 | liable | Atula: it'll be a dotfile. |
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| 06:40.55 | peterS | daxxar: xorg can *probably* autodetect these things. but anyway, in general, the horizontal sync is the important one, the vertical one you can generally fudge quite a lot |
| 06:41.15 | Atula | yeah yeah.... didn't seem to see if... mistaken it for xauthority... ah heck... I need new glasses |
| 06:41.40 | daxxar | I have a Compaq Armada M700, but my limited google skills only turn out "50-90Hz refresh" |
| 06:41.56 | peterS | daxxar: ahh, that's vertical. horizontal is measured in kilohertz, not hertz. |
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| 06:42.07 | daxxar | Aha, ok. (= |
| 06:42.37 | peterS | daxxar: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' will ask you whether you've got an LCD, though, as I recall. if you do it'll just ask you about screen resolution and stuff, and kind of guess about the rest |
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| 06:42.56 | daxxar | Ah, ok. I already have a config with a close-to empty Section "Monitor". |
| 06:43.02 | compguy1011 | is there an easy way to install nvidia drivers? |
| 06:43.19 | sep | compguy1011, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 06:43.37 | peterS | daxxar: I'm guessing read-edid would work for you anyway, if you really want to know. apt-get install read-edid; get-edid | parse-edid |
| 06:43.41 | compguy1011 | thanks |
| 06:44.27 | peterS | such a funny guy, dpkg. has an endless store of good one-liners |
| 06:44.38 | compguy1011 | where is the sources.list files held? |
| 06:44.44 | peterS | compguy1011: /etc/apt/ |
| 06:44.48 | compguy1011 | thanks |
| 06:45.00 | terrencevak | How do I find my mouse's sample rate? |
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| 06:46.11 | peterS | terrencevak: USB mice are always driven at 125 Hz unless you do special things to the kernel driver |
| 06:46.28 | peterS | terrencevak: PS/2 mice are always driven at 50, 100 or 200 Hz (I believe) unless you do something special to the kernel driver |
| 06:46.37 | compguy1011 | not the one liner on nvidia, there was a site dpkg gave me once that explained it |
| 06:46.50 | sep | compguy1011, /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
| 06:46.53 | terrencevak | peterS: Thanks. `-) |
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| 06:47.22 | sep | compguy1011, but the one-liner is basicaly the debian-way howto with the redundant bits removed |
| 06:47.33 | compguy1011 | lost |
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| 06:47.49 | compguy1011 | im still kinda new |
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| 06:47.55 | Putte_H | http://putteh.no-ip.com/covers [] |
| 06:47.58 | peterS | terrencevak: if you really want to know, 'cat /dev/psaux > /tmp/mouse.out & sleep 10; kill $!' and move your mouse frantically for 10 seconds until it kills the data collector. then 'wc -c /tmp/mouse.out' and divide by 30. |
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| 06:48.00 | torc | peterS: btw, does debian-installer nc support large files? or its not a problem when its sending a stream? |
| 06:48.05 | peterS | terrencevak: that'll be your sample rate, in Hz |
| 06:48.11 | torc | peterS: but what about the receiving one? |
| 06:48.15 | Putte_H | http://putteh.no-ip.com/covershttp://putteh.no-ip.com/covers |
| 06:48.39 | peterS | torc: you know, I didn't actually need it for large files. I had to send over some binaries to be executed on the d-i system, so I tarred them up on another box and nc'd them over |
| 06:48.53 | Putte_H | http://putteh.no-ip.com/covers http://putteh.no-ip.com/covers |
| 06:49.04 | torc | peterS: ah, ok then. i'll check it. |
| 06:49.13 | peterS | torc: I expect for sending purposes it doesn't care anyway. possibly not for receiving either. |
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| 06:49.32 | pacman | you'll be doing something like "nc host port < foo" so it's the shell that'll be opening the file. If the shell uses open64, it'll be fine |
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| 06:49.53 | peterS | pacman: even if it doesn't, won't it still be fine so long as you never need to seek? |
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| 06:50.37 | pacman | I think it might fail on reading past the boundary because the kernel still wants to maintain the file offset... maybe not though. Isn't everything in Debian compiled with full 64-bit file offsets by now? |
| 06:51.12 | peterS | pacman: also, nc on debian-installer is actually a busybox shell builtin, IIRC. |
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| 06:51.50 | kYotiK | how do i schedule an app to run every minute? i need my dynamic dns service to update every minute, i use a program that runs from the terminal with the command gdipc.. i was going to use cron or anacron, but it says service is temporarily unavailable, and that its unable to lock file.. yes i did sudo :D also looked in the man pages and google as well.. thought i would ask you all for the advice now |
| 06:52.21 | terrencevak | Is there a different way to reconfigure x besides dpkg-reconfigure? That "device" option wasn't available with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:52.32 | pacman | you want to run a cron job that requires a terminal? mabe script(1), or expect. |
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| 06:53.56 | valdyn | kYotiK: dyndns.org will ban you fast if you try that, why are you trying that every minute instead of 'whenever the IP changes' ? |
| 06:53.57 | nkuttler | terrencevak: vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 06:54.16 | kYotiK | pacman, the app is a perl script, but i just want a simple schedule so that it runs every minute automatically |
| 06:54.32 | jm_ | bloody hell, tried to strace X server and everything went poo |
| 06:54.37 | fireba11 | kYotiK: hum .. am running a selfmade dyndns-script on my server . that's just a couple lines .. just put it in cron ? |
| 06:54.46 | kYotiK | valdyn, im not using dyndns.org |
| 06:54.48 | pacman | then maybe you should rephrase your question in the form of "I don't understand how to use cron" |
| 06:55.02 | fireba11 | pacman: :-) |
| 06:55.06 | peterS | terrencevak: the mouse device? it should've been |
| 06:55.12 | fusionfox | any program to emule .exe files in linux? |
| 06:55.16 | ralf | andrew morton mailed me referring to Jeff |
| 06:55.21 | ralf | who is Jeff? |
| 06:55.26 | fireba11 | fusionfox: wth are you trying to do ? |
| 06:55.29 | peterS | ralf: what context? |
| 06:55.31 | kYotiK | pacman, i thought my question was clear that i wanted to schedule a job, not write a script.. |
| 06:55.47 | fusionfox | fireba11, eehh transfer my games to linux =P, thats the only reason why i keep windows =P |
| 06:55.50 | peterS | ralf: there's Jeff Dike who maintainer user-mode-linux, Jeff Garzik who does network drivers and general kernel maintenance .... |
| 06:55.51 | ralf | peterS: "send the patch to me and Jeff" |
| 06:55.55 | pacman | that's exactly what cron does. which part of crontab(5) did you not understand? |
| 06:56.00 | pacman | Jeff Garzik? |
| 06:56.09 | ralf | it is a wireless driver fix |
| 06:56.09 | fireba11 | fusionfox: you probably need to emulate a PC and install windows on it for most games |
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| 06:56.26 | peterS | ralf: yeah, jeff garzik then. google his email address, I don't know if garzik@mandrakesoft.com is current |
| 06:56.38 | ralf | ok, thanks :) |
| 06:56.47 | fusionfox | (O_o) for example?? |
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| 06:57.02 | peterS | ralf: hmm, jgarzik@pobox.com is still listed in the kernel MAINTAINERS file, you can probably just use that |
| 06:57.09 | luci0 | bom dia |
| 06:57.12 | pacman | grep Jeff linux/MAINTAINERS turns up a few others, but mainly Jeff Garzik. |
| 06:57.12 | ralf | ok |
| 06:57.14 | fusionfox | fireba11, for example what program can i use to emulate windows?? |
| 06:57.25 | fireba11 | fusionfox: VMware .. that's commercial though |
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| 06:57.39 | fusionfox | (O_O) |
| 06:57.48 | fireba11 | fusionfox: and it doesn't emulate windows but an empty PC :-) |
| 06:58.09 | fireba11 | fusionfox: but just google around for it there are other options as well |
| 06:58.15 | kYotiK | i figured out that i need to use "at" instead of "cron" |
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| 06:58.23 | fusionfox | fireball, great |
| 06:58.37 | nkuttler | fusionfox: you may be interested in wine |
| 06:58.38 | ralf | andrew is akpm@osdl.org? |
| 06:58.48 | Greek-Boy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.48 | peterS | ralf: should be |
| 06:58.48 | Greek-Boy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.48 | Greek-Boy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.49 | Greek-Boy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.50 | Greek-Boy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:58.59 | fireba11 | kYotiK: if you have a perl script you should be able to just use cron .. am doing that with my php too after all |
| 06:59.01 | fusionfox | nkuttler, wine is very commercialized and beside it doesnt emules well the direct X |
| 06:59.12 | fusionfox | =P ive heard about cedega or something like that |
| 06:59.25 | nkuttler | fusionfox: god, you want to play _commercial_ windows games and worry about a commercial emulator? |
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| 06:59.38 | fireba11 | nkuttler: *g* |
| 06:59.44 | nkuttler | !tell Greek-Boy about paste |
| 06:59.51 | fusionfox | nkuttler, well i can get easy windows programs but i dont know about linux programs =P |
| 07:00.16 | Coweater | how can i make the right alt key act the same as the left? i'm using xorg with etch |
| 07:00.40 | nkuttler | Coweater: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 07:01.03 | peterS | oh dear, dpkg 'keymap' factoid refers the poor user to xmodmap |
| 07:01.07 | nkuttler | Greek-Boy: what are you compliling and why? |
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| 07:01.26 | peterS | of course, *I* don't know how to use Xkb to do this type of stuff, but making someone read about xmodmap just for this is almost cruel |
| 07:01.28 | Greek-Boy | nkuttler i'm compling qmailrocks |
| 07:01.39 | Greek-Boy | and some patches require openssl |
| 07:01.40 | nkuttler | peterS: hm, how would you switch alt keys? |
| 07:01.46 | peterS | nkuttler: I'd use xmodmap (: |
| 07:01.49 | pacman | xmodmap makes sense to me... looking at xkb feels like torture |
| 07:01.58 | peterS | nkuttler: but I don't think it's very nice to expect new users to figure out how (: |
| 07:02.09 | nar | I have installed nagios-mysql but I am unsure if I would be better off with nagios-text. Can anyone point me to information about making that choise? |
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| 07:02.38 | pacman | xmodmap has a man page with usable examples! |
| 07:02.45 | peterS | nkuttler: particularly for modifier keys, xmodmap is pretty ugly - you have to 'remove' the modifier meaning first then remap then 'add' the modifier meaning back in |
| 07:02.59 | nkuttler | peterS: ye |
| 07:03.06 | peterS | nkuttler: this is the kind of stuff xmodmap should be able to do behind our backs |
| 07:03.23 | fireba11 | nar: you can get pretty far with text version, but for a big installation i would suggest using a database for it .. |
| 07:03.26 | peterS | there's such a thing, in other words, as being *too* low-level |
| 07:03.26 | nkuttler | peterS: you're right, but if he has such exotic needs he will have the motivation to understand xmodmap :) |
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| 07:03.57 | fireba11 | peterS: if you need to code assembler for example :-) |
| 07:04.04 | device | exit |
| 07:04.07 | peterS | actually last time I had to set up a xmodmap file I actually couldn't get the 'keysym' lines to work correctly, I had to resort to hardcoded 'keycode' lines |
| 07:04.12 | peterS | that was embarrassing, although it works fine |
| 07:04.40 | fireba11 | nar: what exactly you want to do with your nagios ? |
| 07:04.53 | nkuttler | Greek-Boy: they require openssl? you already know what is missing! |
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| 07:05.20 | Greek-Boy | nkuttler |
| 07:05.24 | Greek-Boy | i installed openssl already |
| 07:05.24 | Greek-Boy | lol |
| 07:05.31 | Greek-Boy | and i installed the libssl-dev too |
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| 07:05.38 | Caelum | peterS: did you try xkeycaps? |
| 07:05.50 | peterS | fireba11: xmodmap isn't *that* far down, but it does require too much manual fiddling that it should know how to do for me. to change my capslock key to another control_l, I should not have to "remove Lock = Caps_Lock" and "remove Control = Control_L" and I should not have to "add Control = Control_L" and "add Lock = Caps_Lock". those things should be implied. |
| 07:06.04 | peterS | Caelum: no, never tried it |
| 07:06.16 | Caelum | peterS: jwz's program, gui interface to xmodmap |
| 07:06.18 | peterS | I've installed it on several machines, with the idea of trying it some time in the future, but never did |
| 07:06.24 | ralf | [PATCH] wireless/airo: Build fix |
| 07:06.25 | peterS | I know what it is (: |
| 07:06.31 | ralf | teh subject looks good? |
| 07:06.34 | peterS | ralf: sure |
| 07:06.37 | ralf | ok |
| 07:06.57 | ralf | address both in From are ok too? |
| 07:07.02 | Caelum | peterS: For capslock, I use Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" in xorg.conf |
| 07:07.05 | ralf | or someone will bother with spammers |
| 07:07.10 | ralf | and to use CC, etc. etc. |
| 07:07.13 | NachPlus | Hi, I started having issues burning optical media recently with Debian Unstable. Nothing seems to work. cdrecord has these error messages: /usr/bin/cdrecord: Operation not permitted. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl. /usr/bin/cdrecord: This version of cdrecord does not include DVD-R/DVD-RW support code. |
| 07:07.17 | peterS | ralf: what? from? you mean To: |
| 07:07.25 | ralf | sure, To: |
| 07:07.29 | peterS | that's fine |
| 07:07.35 | peterS | nobody cares about To vs. Cc |
| 07:07.56 | terrencevak | OK, now I seem to have *completely* lost my mouse altogether. |
| 07:07.57 | peterS | NachPlus: 'dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord', make sure to tell it yes you want it to be setuid root |
| 07:08.09 | pacman | what I'd like to know is how to remap MouseKeys. xmodmap doesn't know about them at all, you have to screw with xkb and I don't understand it |
| 07:08.29 | peterS | terrencevak: you did the 'dpkg-reconfigure gpm' to make sure it produces a repeat_type of ms3? |
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| 07:08.51 | terrencevak | peters: Yep, that's what I did. |
| 07:09.00 | peterS | terrencevak: you did the 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' (or xserver-xorg) to tell it to use mouse device /dev/gpmdata and mouse protocol IntelliMouse? |
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| 07:09.05 | NachPlus | peterS, okay I'll try that, and what's with the DVD story? |
| 07:09.06 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:09.17 | nar | fireball: I am trying to set up nagios to monitor a network with a few servers, say 10, and offices at multiple sites. I wondered if the text database grows with time. |
| 07:09.28 | peterS | NachPlus: the author of cdrecord sells a companion program dvdrecord and this is his way of advertising that you're supposed to pay for his other product |
| 07:09.30 | Gnea | neat, this memorex usb flash drive states it's compatible with Linux 2.4.x |
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| 07:09.59 | peterS | Gnea: cool. pretty much all flash drives should be, but it's cool that they actually say so |
| 07:10.07 | terrencevak | peters I edited the config file to do it since dpkg didn't seem to want to... Although... |
| 07:10.07 | fireba11 | Gnea: no big deal :-D |
| 07:10.18 | Gnea | peterS: indeed. |
| 07:10.27 | Gnea | fireba11: with a rebate? what? :) |
| 07:10.58 | peterS | Gnea: a rebate on Linux 2.4? I wish I had one of those, my kernel cost way too much |
| 07:11.04 | Caelum | there's very little reason to use the repeater mode of gpm since /dev/input/mice supports multiple processes reading from it |
| 07:11.14 | peterS | Caelum: you refer to kernel 2.6, do you not? |
| 07:11.19 | peterS | Caelum: we are not dealing with kernel 2.6 |
| 07:11.30 | Caelum | I think it did that in 2.4 too, but it's been too long so I don't remember |
| 07:11.50 | peterS | Caelum: yes, /dev/input/mice did, but in kernel 2.4, /dev/input/mice did *not* support PS/2 mice |
| 07:11.51 | NachPlus | peterS, I was burning DVD-Rs just fine a month ago |
| 07:11.54 | Gnea | peterS: the 128meg jumpdrives go for $20, this 256meg was $25. after the rebate, it will be $20. |
| 07:12.01 | jm_ | yeah it's just for USB |
| 07:12.07 | Caelum | peterS: ahh, my bad |
| 07:12.07 | peterS | jm_: well, and ADB |
| 07:12.12 | jm_ | peterS: ohh |
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| 07:12.27 | erik | JacK's spamming onjoin |
| 07:12.28 | peterS | jm_: and possibly one or two of the mouse types in random architectures like amiga |
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| 07:12.40 | peterS | !ops JacK alleged onjoin spammer |
| 07:12.42 | jm_ | interesting, roughly the same prices for 256MB USB pen drives here, it's usually much higher |
| 07:12.42 | Gnea | memorex has an edge on pny |
| 07:12.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: JacK alleged onjoin spammer |
| 07:12.56 | erik | [Baby22] is too |
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| 07:13.18 | erik | !ops [Baby22] onjoin spammer |
| 07:13.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: [Baby22] onjoin spammer |
| 07:13.25 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 07:13.30 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@server.ivinskis.kursenai.lm.lt] by caphuso |
| 07:13.37 | *** kick/#debian [[Baby22]!i=foobar@p5481CC07.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 07:13.41 | *** kick/#debian [JacK!i=foobar@p5481CC07.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 07:13.46 | Coweater | thanks nkuttler |
| 07:13.46 | erik | *clap* |
| 07:13.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 07:14.03 | terrencevak | peters: dpkg-reconfigure doesn't have a space to enter the device, that I can see. |
| 07:14.19 | peterS | terrencevak: has that changed recently, I wonder. I should check |
| 07:14.49 | kYotiK | ok i wrote a small script for cron/crontab now how do i test it to make sure that the command is getting executed ? |
| 07:15.08 | jm_ | cron logs job executions using syslog |
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| 07:15.16 | jm_ | or in syslog |
| 07:15.21 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 07:15.22 | dpkg | well, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 07:15.31 | terrencevak | peters: Well, there was a point where it asked if I wanted to autodetect the mouse, and I told it I didn't want to. |
| 07:15.33 | peterS | terrencevak: works for me. there is a "please choose your mouse port" question |
| 07:15.56 | terrencevak | peters Oh! |
| 07:15.57 | peterS | terrencevak: and /dev/psaux and /dev/gpmdata are both on the list it presents me |
| 07:16.17 | terrencevak | peters I didn't see the menu listings. |
| 07:16.36 | peterS | terrencevak: it might help to use a 50-line text mode rather than 25-line, maybe you see more options that way |
| 07:16.51 | Caelum | what does it mean when gpg --verify says WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! |
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| 07:17.06 | jm_ | it means the key has no trust relationship |
| 07:17.14 | NachPlus | peterS, I was burning DVD-Rs just fine a month ago. Why would that change? |
| 07:17.14 | wers | .. |
| 07:17.19 | peterS | NachPlus: I do not know |
| 07:17.32 | Caelum | jm_: is this normal for patches/kernel trees from ftp.kernel.org? |
| 07:17.33 | NachPlus | are there other tools for DVD burning? |
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| 07:17.47 | erik | NachPlus: growisofs works well |
| 07:17.50 | peterS | Caelum: it means that although the message can be verified to be signed with key number NNNNNNNN, you have no way of knowing who created key number NNNNNNNN |
| 07:17.51 | wers | NachPlus.. try k3b or NeroLinux |
| 07:18.00 | NachPlus | I am using k3b |
| 07:18.05 | kYotiK | hmm, doesnt cron jobs suppose to get logged in /var/log/cron.log? |
| 07:18.06 | terrencevak | Actually it was me misinterpreting what my Braille display showed me; I saw that port question and assumed they were asking for a specific port number, not a menu option. |
| 07:18.07 | bibe | kYotiK : set the script to run (eventually without executing anything, e.g. add an 'exit 0' in the first line of the script) two minutes from now, and see |
| 07:18.09 | peterS | Caelum: you can only take someone's word for it that that key is the *real* kernel.org archive signing key |
| 07:18.34 | jm_ | Caelum: ahh you're verifying them? I wonder if their key is really not signed by anyone |
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| 07:18.48 | peterS | jm_: the archive signing key is signed by a *lot* of people |
| 07:19.05 | kYotiK | bibe: why do i want to exit 0? |
| 07:19.07 | peterS | Caelum: if you had met someone in person who had met someone in person who had met H. Peter Anvin, who creates the kernel archive signing keys, then there is at least some trust metric you can assign to the probability that the key is genuinely what it says it is |
| 07:19.07 | fusionfox | ehh i know this will be a silly question but i cannot get to uninstal xchat, how i uninstall a program =) |
| 07:19.31 | peterS | Caelum: the whole system of trust between people who have met in person and verified each other's identities is known as the gpg "web of trust" |
| 07:19.38 | Caelum | peterS: I see, I was always fuzzy on the PGP key signing party thing |
| 07:19.38 | peterS | fusionfox: apt-get remove |
| 07:19.40 | NachPlus | this is bizare, as root it's burning fine, but it's only going at 6x. I have a 40x burner and it normally goes >20x minimum |
| 07:19.49 | fusionfox | the good peterS =P |
| 07:20.01 | Gnea | NachPlus: is cdrecord setuid? |
| 07:20.08 | NachPlus | Gnea, now it is |
| 07:20.15 | Gnea | NachPlus: i turned it off. |
| 07:20.20 | Gnea | and just ran k3b as root |
| 07:20.22 | peterS | Caelum: right, the point of a key signing party is to streamline the process of checking each other's identity credentials (usually government-issued IDs) and streamline the process of verifying that keys belong to who you think they do |
| 07:20.26 | Gnea | NachPlus: i'm doing dvd burning for the first time |
| 07:20.32 | nevyn | NachPlus: is dma on? |
| 07:20.33 | Caelum | peterS: so if I go to a couple of those I'm more likely to be able to have trust certainties on data I verify? |
| 07:20.53 | jm_ | peterS: not sure how this is handled by gpg, i.e. if you have to manually trust it or if it's automatically trusted if a key from someone who signed it exists in the ring |
| 07:20.57 | Caelum | peterS: like if I get my key signed by someone who knows someone who knows someone who is a kernel developer |
| 07:20.58 | peterS | Caelum: by creating these links, you strengthen the web of trust, so that you might have 5 different "trust paths" to the kernel archive signing key - thus making it very improbable that someone in each of those 5 chains is deceiving you |
| 07:21.03 | nevyn | peterS: but that requires you to trust the government |
| 07:21.04 | NachPlus | nevyn, how do I check? |
| 07:21.07 | Gnea | so far i've got a nice stack of debian cds |
| 07:21.10 | Gnea | time for dvds |
| 07:21.12 | nevyn | NachPlus: hdparm /dev |
| 07:21.20 | peterS | nevyn: what alternative do you have for verifying an identity? |
| 07:21.36 | NachPlus | dev: |
| 07:21.36 | NachPlus | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.36 | NachPlus | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.36 | NachPlus | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.36 | peterS | nevyn: what else does an identity *mean*, if not one's legal name? |
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| 07:21.42 | nevyn | peterS: multiple independant verifications of identity |
| 07:21.45 | luci0 | lol |
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| 07:21.48 | Caelum | nevyn: the government has hinted that they have broken pgp, but there are no specifics. I'm assuming that if this is something they can do, it takes too much processing power to do very often |
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| 07:22.03 | luci0 | rss |
| 07:22.04 | NachPlus | dev: BLKROGET failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device BLKRAGET failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device BLKGETSIZE failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
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| 07:22.12 | nevyn | Caelum: not on small keys particularly RSA |
| 07:22.14 | nevyn | and DES |
| 07:22.17 | NachPlus | nevyn, I take it that's not normal |
| 07:22.21 | Caelum | DES is trivial |
| 07:22.23 | peterS | Caelum: trust metrics are one-way only. *you* want to sign *someone else*'s key in order to indicate to your software that you trust the other person's signatures - not vice versa |
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| 07:22.34 | terrencevak | OK, still no response. |
| 07:22.45 | nevyn | Caelum: exactly |
| 07:22.46 | peterS | nevyn: you say "verifications of identity". ok, how? |
| 07:22.59 | Gnea | !tell NachPlus about pastebot |
| 07:23.01 | Caelum | peterS: cool. I need to get in touch with some debian events in my area again anyway :) |
| 07:23.05 | Gnea | !tell NachPlus about paste |
| 07:23.08 | peterS | nevyn: you can rule out any verification that consists of hearing someone say "I am peterS". anyone can lie to you. |
| 07:23.08 | nevyn | interview people who have known person for some time. |
| 07:23.12 | kYotiK | i found out that the shell script was executing ok, now how do i fix it to automatically load at startup? |
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| 07:23.46 | Caelum | kYotiK: thanks to someone here, I learned about the @reboot facility of crontab, see man crontab |
| 07:24.00 | wers | ./etc/rc.boot/1.script.here |
| 07:24.14 | Caelum | kYotiK: if you want a system-wide script, see /etc/init.d/skeleton and man update-rc.d |
| 07:24.16 | Gnea | ok wtf, k3b is saying that this 4.4gig .img file won't fit on the 4.7gig dvd+r disk that's in the drive |
| 07:24.18 | peterS | nevyn: that's pretty time-consuming when you first have to track down who someone's real acquaintances are, people who aren't going to collude in deceiving you at the subject's request |
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| 07:24.28 | nevyn | peterS: I know. |
| 07:24.38 | valdyn | Gnea: they use different metrics? |
| 07:24.41 | pacman | Gnea, 4.7 is marketer gigs |
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| 07:24.50 | peterS | nevyn: and I don't think it's stronger than a government ID anyway. a person can assume any name he wants, dating from the time he meets any given acquaintance |
| 07:25.04 | fusionfox | (O_o0 |
| 07:25.06 | nevyn | peterS: relying on the government is the path of least resistance. but it relys on trusting a potentially unknown forign power |
| 07:25.13 | valdyn | Gnea: 47000000000 bytes vs 4.7*10^30 |
| 07:25.13 | kYotiK | Caelum, i just used crontab and got it right, and it was without any help from anyone pretty much.... i just want to know if the cron jobs stay cached after a reboot, or do you have to write a shell script that will exceute at system boot, so that the jobs get scheduled after a system reboot/shutdown |
| 07:25.18 | valdyn | Gnea: 47000000000 bytes vs 4.7*2^30 |
| 07:25.29 | peterS | nevyn: so you have to find people you can believe are honest or at least not likely to collude with everyone else you can meet, who also have known the subject for a long enough period of time that he can't have changed his alleged identity recently |
| 07:25.40 | pacman | actual capacity is 4.7*(1000/1024)**3, which is more like 4.377G |
| 07:25.43 | ralf | can someone explain me on-the-fly what is this? |
| 07:25.45 | ralf | # we have no ISA slots, but we do have ISA-style DMA. |
| 07:25.45 | ralf | config ISA_DMA_API |
| 07:25.54 | Caelum | kYotiK: yes, this is what @reboot does, schedule a job on every boot |
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| 07:26.00 | jhaig | I'm having trouble installing nis. The error is "hostname: Unknown host". I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling but it keeps coming up with the same error. Is there a way to uninstall a package and completely remove all configuration files that relate to it? |
| 07:26.04 | Gnea | :-( /dev/hdc: 2295104 blocks are free, 2306869 to be written! |
| 07:26.07 | Caelum | kYotiK: make sure to produce no output unless you want to get spammed |
| 07:26.09 | peterS | nevyn: the advantage of a government ID is that it has the threat of actual legal penalties for forging it |
| 07:26.10 | nevyn | eg: how do I know that there really is a kasicstan to even issue the passport if I have a limited knowledge of geography |
| 07:26.19 | valdyn | Gnea: you could try overburn |
| 07:26.22 | Gnea | ok |
| 07:26.41 | fireba11 | jhaig: apt-get remove --purge package for example |
| 07:26.44 | valdyn | Gnea: even if tht doesnt work completely, your dvd can still be fully functional |
| 07:26.54 | fusionfox | what command can i sue to see what package i have installed? |
| 07:26.57 | kYotiK | oh do you mean the command "at"? |
| 07:27.05 | Gnea | valdyn: it doesn't give that option |
| 07:27.14 | fireba11 | fusionfox: you can jsut use aptitude and browse around the list |
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| 07:27.24 | Caelum | fusionfox: dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{ print $2 }' |
| 07:27.26 | valdyn | Gnea: 'growifofs -dvd-video -Z /dev/dvd=file.iso ) |
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| 07:27.32 | valdyn | Gnea: 'growisofs -dvd-video -Z /dev/dvd=file.iso ) |
| 07:27.35 | rss | I have installed aclock.app, a dock app... how to get it on the screen running wmaker? |
| 07:27.38 | valdyn | Gnea: i dont know about k3b... |
| 07:27.39 | kYotiK | "at reboot crontab gdipc.crontab" ? |
| 07:27.53 | valdyn | Gnea: 'growisofs -overburn -dvd-video -Z /dev/dvd=file.iso |
| 07:27.56 | Gnea | valdyn: ah, this isn't a video tho |
| 07:27.59 | Caelum | kYotiK: no, crontab -e |
| 07:28.09 | Caelum | kYotiK: see man crontab |
| 07:28.27 | peterS | nevyn: there is the other theory that holds that the only important thing is the identity a person projects on the Internet. if a person can prove he controls certain email addresses, shows up as a given IRC nick, etc., some people say that one's legal name is quite beside the point since it doesn't have any trust value depending on it |
| 07:28.32 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.37 | jhaig | firebal1: Thanks. I've found the problem now and it is unrelated to nis. I changed the hostname during install and /etc/hosts doesn't have the correct name. This will probably fix it. |
| 07:28.41 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.43 | Gnea | oh FUN |
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| 07:29.04 | Caelum | Gnea: try hdparm? |
| 07:29.11 | valdyn | Gnea: that is expected, it will be at full speed in 30 sec |
| 07:29.16 | Gnea | oh here we go |
| 07:29.21 | Gnea | Caelum: yeah the drive is all set |
| 07:29.29 | Gnea | valdyn: i see it now :) |
| 07:29.47 | Gnea | oh this is wonderful. |
| 07:29.53 | gin_ | someone who is named the file java to work with java chat |
| 07:29.56 | peterS | Caelum: the problem as always isn't the strength of your encryption, it's the strength of your memory. as bruce schneier put it awhile back, we passed the point some time ago where computers can brute force any password that the average human can be expected to remember easily |
| 07:30.07 | gin_ | some doc, or something. |
| 07:30.07 | fusionfox | how wierd, i just installed bittorrent bu i dont know the command to start it how do i start bittorrent already tryed the name |
| 07:30.15 | Gnea | !tell gin_ about java |
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| 07:30.28 | Caelum | peterS: it's also a matter of keeping your actual private key file safe |
| 07:30.35 | valdyn | fusionfox: btdownload some.torrent |
| 07:30.39 | Caelum | peterS: physical security is often laughably easy to get around |
| 07:30.46 | peterS | Caelum: so anything that depends on passwords or passphrases can be brute forced if someone else gets hold of the hardware (to bypass time-delay tricks of such things) so long as you only use your own human memory to remember the passphrases |
| 07:30.53 | valdyn | fusionfox: or btdownload<tab><tab> some.torrent |
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| 07:31.19 | NachPlus | so if hdparm /dev fails, what does it mean? |
| 07:31.26 | fusionfox | bash: btdownload: command not found |
| 07:31.27 | peterS | Caelum: that of course is where smart cards and biometrics come in. (and you can rig a poor man's smart card with a USB key if you work at it a bit) |
| 07:31.27 | Caelum | peterS: not to mention key loggers, etc. |
| 07:31.32 | valdyn | NachPlus: that /dev isnt a disk device |
| 07:31.39 | NachPlus | ah |
| 07:31.39 | nevyn | NachPlus: umm /dev/cdrom |
| 07:31.50 | Caelum | peterS: good idea! :) there are already fingerprint readers for laptops and such |
| 07:31.54 | nevyn | NachPlus: I was shorthanding it.. sorry |
| 07:32.01 | NachPlus | I did /dev/hdd |
| 07:32.01 | gin_ | Gnea, i know java is it, i just know what is the name, to put work java chat |
| 07:32.07 | fireba11 | an, thanks for mentioning torrent ..i almost forgot something here :-) |
| 07:32.23 | kYotiK | Caelum, i cant figure out what i need to do with that -e switch... here is the setup.. i have a crontab file called gdipc.crontab in that file it sets the timers to run gdipc every 5 minutes, so now what command do i need to issue to get this job permanent even after reboot? |
| 07:32.27 | Gnea | gin_: i'm afraid i don't understand what you're asking. |
| 07:32.39 | peterS | Caelum: well, real smart cards are better than USB sticks, because they leave the private key *on the card* and only give out information that won't compromise the key itself. so like they can prove they know the key, without divulging it. whereas putting the key on a usb stick means if the computer is compromised, so is your key |
| 07:33.02 | Gnea | debianer: your english isn't right.. :/ |
| 07:33.08 | debianer | i know that |
| 07:33.17 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:33.19 | NachPlus | nevyn, /dev/hdd: IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq = 1 (on) using_dma = 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead = 256 (on) HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument So is that okay? |
| 07:33.20 | debianer | its coz im american. |
| 07:33.25 | NachPlus | it said dma is on |
| 07:33.41 | nevyn | dma is on. |
| 07:33.53 | Gnea | debianer: oh you're just trolling then? |
| 07:33.54 | nevyn | how are you writing to the disk? |
| 07:34.06 | peterS | Caelum: the downside of smart cards is that they're expensive and you have to have a reader for each computer. and the expense isn't a one-time cost because they tend to come with anti-tamper features where if you abuse them too much (with wrong passphrases etc.) they self-destruct |
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| 07:34.10 | Caelum | dma has generally been on by default in kernels (with that option) for a while |
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| 07:34.52 | debianer | Gnea, that not matter |
| 07:34.59 | ralf | peterS: is it suitable for a changelog entry? http://pastebin.com/389885 |
| 07:35.01 | peterS | nevyn: you're in favor of slow, flaky networks? |
| 07:35.05 | ralf | it will go in kernel.org maybe |
| 07:35.11 | Gnea | debianer: oh, in this channel, it matters. |
| 07:35.13 | nevyn | peterS: frottle |
| 07:35.28 | nevyn | peterS: but I was talking about in security based stuff. |
| 07:35.33 | nevyn | passwords suck |
| 07:35.33 | NachPlus | hmm, running k3b as root, seems to work now, started right off the bat at 17x |
| 07:35.35 | Gnea | debianer: what sort of 'java chat' do you want? |
| 07:35.37 | nevyn | tokens way better |
| 07:35.49 | Caelum | peterS: I guess they can make them with a pcmcia interface...this is interesting stuff, thanks for explaining it |
| 07:35.50 | nevyn | biometrics I'm on the fence about |
| 07:35.51 | Gnea | debianer: is it a irc client that runs in java, or something else? |
| 07:35.58 | debianer | Gnea, some module i guess |
| 07:35.58 | fusionfox | eeh any other torrent program i could try?? cause bittorrent doesnt work for me |
| 07:36.05 | debianer | not , java chat web |
| 07:36.08 | Gnea | debianer: module for what? |
| 07:36.09 | valdyn | kYotiK: files in /etc/cron.d/ are used by cron as soon as cron is started, combine with @reboot that will be run at your next reboot. |
| 07:36.14 | peterS | nevyn: yeah, biometrics have the problem that it's really hard to change your password once 10 of them have been compromised |
| 07:36.15 | wers | fusion apt-cache search torrent |
| 07:36.23 | liberty | RFIC i mean RFID |
| 07:36.24 | nevyn | peterS: that one |
| 07:36.35 | nevyn | the unrevokable aspect of it is bad. |
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| 07:36.40 | debianer | i mean, file not module. i was wrong. |
| 07:36.53 | debianer | Gnea, i need a plug in. |
| 07:36.57 | nevyn | I understand your data is important but is it worth some mugger cutting your eye out with a letter opener for? |
| 07:36.58 | Gnea | debianer: well i wish i could help you out, but until you can speak like an educated human being, i can't. |
| 07:37.07 | debianer | to make work java chat in my web, |
| 07:37.08 | Gnea | debianer: a plugin for what? |
| 07:37.09 | pacman | !spanish |
| 07:37.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:37.11 | liberty | frequency not time |
| 07:37.18 | Gnea | debianer: what web browser do you use? |
| 07:37.19 | peterS | ralf: seems fine |
| 07:37.26 | debianer | Gnea, firefoz |
| 07:37.30 | debianer | firerox * |
| 07:37.32 | NachPlus | nevyn, this is weird, it started burning fine, but now the device buffer dropped way down, and it's doing 4x :/ |
| 07:37.47 | nevyn | NachPlus: what sort of system? |
| 07:37.47 | Gnea | !tell debianer about install java |
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| 07:37.55 | Gnea | debianer: follow that guide, it will work. |
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| 07:38.10 | NachPlus | nevyn, Athlon Thunderbird 1.4 GHz, 256MB DDR RAM |
| 07:38.18 | NachPlus | and this was working fine a month ago |
| 07:38.24 | nevyn | NachPlus: chipset? |
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| 07:38.32 | NachPlus | it just started acting up after a recent dist-upgrade |
| 07:38.39 | NachPlus | AMD 761 IIRC |
| 07:38.47 | nevyn | NachPlus: you are using atapi based burning? |
| 07:39.09 | debianer | Gnea, well, ty for ur help dude. |
| 07:39.10 | NachPlus | nevyn, not sure... |
| 07:39.10 | fireba11 | !IIRC |
| 07:39.10 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 07:39.10 | kYotiK | i dont understand what you all mean by @reboot unless your talking about literally rebooting |
| 07:39.10 | asperon-work | is there a known problem with sambamounting the $home dir and then using gdm? I get a permission error, even though the dir is 777? |
| 07:39.20 | debianer | Gnea, i hope do not pissed off you. |
| 07:39.29 | nevyn | NachPlus: what are you using for burning? |
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| 07:39.55 | NachPlus | nevyn, LG DVD burner, 12x DVD+R speed, 40x CD-R speed |
| 07:40.02 | nevyn | software? |
| 07:40.09 | Caelum | asperon-work: check your .xsession-errors |
| 07:40.12 | NachPlus | cdrecord and k3b |
| 07:40.13 | Gnea | debianer: just a translation issue, it's fine. good luck :) |
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| 07:40.50 | wers | asperon. no sounds like error in your smb.cong |
| 07:40.56 | wers | f |
| 07:41.04 | Gnea | woohoo |
| 07:41.08 | Gnea | the dvd burnt! |
| 07:41.19 | asperon-work | Caelum: : where can i find that? |
| 07:41.21 | terrencevak | I'm trying to get gnopernicus, and configure says my cpp isn't sane. Is there a way to fix that? |
| 07:41.29 | Caelum | asperon-work: in your home dir |
| 07:41.44 | peterS | terrencevak: install 'build-essential'. that is, if you really need to compile gnopernicus in the first place |
| 07:41.49 | Caelum | asperon-work: there are issues like your .Xauthority having to be a certain permission |
| 07:42.01 | peterS | terrencevak: most people just apt-get install gnopernicus |
| 07:42.05 | NachPlus | nevyn, any ideas why would have changed recently to make burning lousy for me? |
| 07:42.06 | Caelum | asperon-work: you should make the permissions stricter |
| 07:42.10 | Gnea | now to see how well it reads... |
| 07:42.29 | terrencevak | peters: It says there's no candidate for it. |
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| 07:42.53 | wers | Gnea.. the hardware burns with the firmware not the software. |
| 07:42.58 | peterS | terrencevak: I could've sworn it was in both stable and unstable |
| 07:43.09 | wobbler | it is |
| 07:43.10 | k-man | i have just installed debian on an ibm server, but it has an ide cdrom drive and I can't seem to access the cdrom drive |
| 07:43.14 | Gnea | wers: come again? |
| 07:43.18 | k-man | no /dev/hdX devices at all |
| 07:43.27 | terrencevak | peters Hmm... OK. I have my default set to testing. |
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| 07:43.35 | peterS | terrencevak: ahh, it is. apparently was removed from testing, reasons unknown |
| 07:43.41 | wers | Gnea.. it doesent matter what software u used to burn,, the result is the same. |
| 07:43.45 | Gnea | k-man: it's not scsi emulated? |
| 07:43.52 | NachPlus | top reports cdrecord.mmap is running with -99 priority, I take it that's not normal? |
| 07:43.53 | k-man | Gnea, oh... maybe |
| 07:43.54 | fusionfox | curses >_> how the hell i use bottorrents i tried the command but still doesnt work >_> |
| 07:43.59 | k-man | Gnea, how would I check? |
| 07:44.02 | terrencevak | peters: So do I need to get it by hand then? |
| 07:44.09 | Gnea | wers: well actually it gave an error at the end, yet it turned out just fine |
| 07:44.16 | wers | fusionfox btdownloadcurses file.torrent |
| 07:44.19 | Gnea | wers: but actually it does matter. |
| 07:44.20 | peterS | terrencevak: you can, http://packages.debian.org/gnopernicus will let you download a .deb file a couple of clicks away |
| 07:44.27 | wers | gnea.. yeah. |
| 07:44.30 | asperon-work | Caelum: : it gives me "could not set mode 0700 on private per user gnome configuration directory /home/ced21car/.gnone_private operation not permitted" ced21car is my user |
| 07:44.38 | peterS | terrencevak: looks like the reason it's not in testing is a simple compile failure with recent C compilers |
| 07:44.41 | wers | Gnea.. short-lead out |
| 07:45.03 | terrencevak | peters: OK, will try that then. |
| 07:45.43 | peterS | terrencevak: tip: when you download the .deb file, it won't come with any of its dependencies. to make sure you get those, use two stages: dpkg --unpack gnopernicus_*.deb; aptitude -f install |
| 07:45.58 | NachPlus | nevyn, peterS: is cdrecord supposed to run at -99 priority? |
| 07:46.14 | peterS | terrencevak: if you just do the obvious "dpkg -i gnopernicus_*.deb", it might complain about missing dependencies and stop halfway through |
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| 07:46.27 | terrencevak | peters: Would apt-get -f install do the same thing? |
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| 07:46.45 | nevyn | NachPlus: are you writing cd's or dvd's? |
| 07:46.52 | NachPlus | cd |
| 07:47.00 | peterS | terrencevak: it'll do a *similar* thing. aptitude has 'auto-install' tracking, which is nice once you figure out what it can do for you |
| 07:47.13 | Caelum | asperon-work: are you mounting your home dir from a fat partition or something? I thought smbfs supported permissions |
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| 07:47.37 | Fleck | !nvidia |
| 07:47.38 | dpkg | i guess nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer! Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-howto" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists, or the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 07:47.49 | peterS | terrencevak: basically when aptitude installs something as a dependency which you didn't explicitly select, it marks it as "the user doesn't care, this is just a dependency". then if you use aptitude to remove some package, and one or more dependencies no longer have anything depending on them, aptitude will go ahead and remove those too |
| 07:47.50 | fusionfox | !ati |
| 07:47.50 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 07:47.59 | asperon-work | Caelum: : its from an ntfs, but i might have messed up the sambba config, should i check that i allow permissions? |
| 07:48.07 | Caelum | asperon-work: yes |
| 07:48.24 | asperon-work | ok, thnx |
| 07:48.36 | peterS | terrencevak: thus out-of-date library packages eventually go away more or less automatically, once nobody is using them anymore |
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| 07:49.03 | fusionfox | !gnome |
| 07:49.03 | dpkg | from memory, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome> |
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| 07:49.49 | Caelum | cardbus pcmcia cards can use regular PCI kernel modules, right? |
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| 07:50.19 | terrencevak | peters And I thought I didn't have aptitude, but I do. Cool; will use that then. |
| 07:50.21 | peterS | Caelum: in general yes |
| 07:50.36 | peterS | Caelum: for example '3c59x' supports cardbus NICs alongside the EISA and PCI ones |
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| 07:51.16 | peterS | terrencevak: interactive aptitude is fun too, you can manipulate the 'auto-installed' flag with the 'm' and 'M' keystrokes, so you can "fix" all the packages you don't directly care about but which aren't marked auto-installed yet because they were installed by apt-get or the base install |
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| 07:51.39 | fusionfox | !kde |
| 07:51.39 | dpkg | methinks kde is a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.2. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 07:51.54 | wookien1 | hi, is there anyway i can check that port forwarding is working.. ie by studying the iptables rules? |
| 07:52.36 | wers | wookien.. well try auditmypc.com |
| 07:52.37 | Caelum | wookien1: nc from a shell is easier |
| 07:53.02 | terrencevak | peters: It does look pretty cool brom the quick glance I just took at it. |
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| 07:53.26 | a1 | hello |
| 07:53.35 | fusionfox | !hello |
| 07:53.35 | dpkg | Hi, fusionfox! |
| 07:54.03 | fusionfox | smat dpkg =) |
| 07:54.06 | fusionfox | smart* |
| 07:54.09 | peterS | terrencevak: the UI takes a bit of getting used to but I for the most part love it nowadays. the recursive nature of looking at packages is cool, you can look at one package from a dependency list of another, and nest yourself as deep as you want, using 'q' to crawl back out step by step |
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| 07:54.55 | nevyn | aptitude? |
| 07:55.00 | peterS | nevyn: aptitude. |
| 07:55.02 | nevyn | or synaptic? |
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| 07:55.18 | wookien1 | Caelum: nc? |
| 07:55.40 | peterS | synaptic seemed really clumsy last I tried it, which admittedly was at least a couple years ago |
| 07:55.47 | peterS | maybe longer |
| 07:56.02 | Caelum | wookien1: run nc -l -p the-port on the computer port is forwarded to, then run nc ip port from an outside shell, type some stuff, see if it comes up on the nc -l end |
| 07:56.06 | wers | what about dselect? |
| 07:56.09 | Caelum | hehe |
| 07:56.16 | wers | im the only one using it? |
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| 07:56.28 | peterS | wers: I used to love dselect but it didn't keep up with the times. aptitude caught up and now has surpassed it |
| 07:56.29 | liable | dselect is for masochists :) |
| 07:56.45 | wookien1 | Caelum: nc is not found on my system |
| 07:56.51 | wers | PeterS.. maby I should give it a (nother) try. |
| 07:56.54 | nevyn | synaptic is allright nowadays |
| 07:56.58 | peterS | aptitude took some getting used to since I was used to dselect, but eventually I got over the dselectisms I missed |
| 07:57.04 | terrencevak | liable: That's for sure! I hated dselect! |
| 07:57.09 | wers | Liable.. lol |
| 07:57.10 | Caelum | wookien1: apt-get install netcat |
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| 07:57.20 | nevyn | dselect is clunky |
| 07:57.21 | Caelum | wookien1: if the outside shell doesn't have nc, you can test with telnet |
| 07:57.23 | fusionfox | every time i download and open a file this pops out "An error occurred while loading the archive." |
| 07:57.35 | fireba11 | also, dselect is no longer recommended |
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| 07:57.38 | fusionfox | what is that supposed to mean >_>, it was correctly downloaded from bittorrent |
| 07:57.49 | peterS | Caelum: are you kidding? dselect was totally state of the art in 1997. n00bs forget that debian had automatic downloads with full dependency resolution long before apt came on the scene |
| 07:57.52 | terrencevak | peters: good thing I did this in two stages; I'm not having to stress all the dependencies. |
| 07:58.02 | wers | fireball.. by whom? |
| 07:58.07 | Caelum | peterS: it was a hell of a lot better than redhat, that's for sure |
| 07:58.20 | Caelum | peterS: hell, redhat didn't even install half the time then |
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| 07:58.57 | wookien1 | Caelum: so both inside and outside shell reuire nc? |
| 07:58.59 | fireba11 | Caelum: am currently trying to get rid of a redhat 8 and 9 on two development boxes here ... ^^ |
| 07:59.00 | peterS | Caelum: *nobody* else had automatic dependency downloads. I remember circa 1999 or 2000 when red hat / suse / mandrake started building tools to do the same kind of thing and users were like "whoa this is so leet" and debian users were like "took ya long enough.." |
| 07:59.18 | lemon`kaZu | moin |
| 07:59.27 | Caelum | now they all use apt :) |
| 07:59.33 | lemon`kaZu | good morning :) |
| 07:59.41 | peterS | wookien1: nc can talk to just about any other network service. but if you don't have another network service you want it to talk to, you can use another copy of nc |
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| 07:59.48 | Caelum | wookien1: just the machine you want to listen on, the other machine you can connect from with telnet ip port |
| 08:00.15 | peterS | Caelum: basically (: and thus n00bs think that debian gained this ability with apt. whereas apt was just a reimplementation of capabilities debian had had for a long time |
| 08:00.30 | lemon`kaZu | can ynabody tell me a good known tutorial setting up a linux workstation for joining a windows domain /ADS ? |
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| 08:00.42 | lemon`kaZu | sry, i mean anybody |
| 08:01.06 | Caelum | peterS: to be fair, *bsd ports did something similar, although there was no portupgrade yet, and perl CPAN shell did it too. But those were far less complex |
| 08:01.19 | froztbyte | lemon'kazu: sorry, still trying to figure that one out myself ;-) |
| 08:01.21 | Caelum | lemon`kaZu: there was a samba howto |
| 08:01.33 | lemon`kaZu | ;-) |
| 08:01.58 | peterS | Caelum: yeah, more limited problem domains. and bsd ports weren't doing depends tracking / installing from the start, that feature had to evolve too. I just don't know when it did |
| 08:01.59 | Caelum | hell, there's even a getting laid howto. Although ESR was the wrong person to write it |
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| 08:02.23 | froztbyte | erm, i configured a 2.6.12 kernel specifically for my pc and run 'make clean bzImage modules modules_install install' |
| 08:02.31 | peterS | Caelum: he's a self-proclaimed expert on that. well, s/on that//, even |
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| 08:02.58 | fireba11 | Caelum: rofl |
| 08:03.03 | froztbyte | so the kernel is there and all. i modified my bootfile but when i try to boot the kernel i get massive module failures |
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| 08:03.27 | fireba11 | froztbyte: now why would you compile a kernel ? |
| 08:03.34 | froztbyte | first time digging into boot-up and kernel stuff, can sum1 help me? |
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| 08:03.42 | wers | fireball For the fun? |
| 08:04.01 | peterS | froztbyte: (1) just do 'make' rather than 'make bzImage modules', you're in the world of kernel 2.6 now, (2) you should have used kernel-package, (3) why compile at all, the debian kernel packages are as good as most people can build no matter how hard they try |
| 08:04.10 | froztbyte | nope, nVidia drivers |
| 08:04.11 | liable | !tell froztbyte about kp mantra |
| 08:04.21 | froztbyte | wers: partly, but also coz i wanna learn |
| 08:04.32 | fireba11 | there are only two valid reasons: 1) on a test system to learn how to do it 2) if you need soem fix/feature compiled in and the off-the-shelf kernels don't have it :-) |
| 08:04.34 | pacman | first thing to do is disregard any instructions you might get that originate from Debian. Linus wrote the kernel. Follow his instructions. |
| 08:04.42 | wers | froztbyte . it IS fun.. :) |
| 08:04.45 | sep | lemon`kaZu, depends on the level of integration you need. there are pam_smb that allow autentication against a windows, you can add your linux to the AD domain with a smbclient command. you can probably grab username information from AD with the winbind package. but i have fount that in 95% it's just easier to not bother :) |
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| 08:05.11 | froztbyte | wers: yeah, makes for a lot of thinking (windows convert..) |
| 08:05.22 | froztbyte | froztbyte: but i like thinking |
| 08:05.42 | lemon`kaZu | okay, thx |
| 08:05.52 | froztbyte | that was what it was supposed to be ;-) |
| 08:05.54 | sep | !thx |
| 08:05.54 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 08:05.57 | wookien1 | Caelum: should be able to connect to port that i have forwarded from your end ? |
| 08:06.05 | asperon-work | Caelum: : if i mount the share in another dir and do a chmod in it, it works, so i think samba is handling the permissions. Could the user that GDM runs as for some reason not have access to chmod or something? |
| 08:06.13 | sep | lemon`kaZu, unfortunatly my home cinema is far from thx capable atm :P |
| 08:06.23 | froztbyte | peters: erm, bandwidth limitations, that's why i need to compile |
| 08:06.48 | peterS | froztbyte: you find that kernel source tarballs are smaller than kernel binary packages? that's kind of ... odd |
| 08:07.15 | peterS | froztbyte: though it is true that you pay the cost of a kernel source tarball only once |
| 08:07.18 | froztbyte | peterS: got the tarball on disc, home phone line is prepaid |
| 08:07.38 | pacman | kernel source comes as inter-version diffs though, .debs don't do that. (I wish they would, incremental xdelta .debs would save lots of bandwidth) |
| 08:07.44 | froztbyte | peterS: true, and i can then configure and crash and start all over again and learn things |
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| 08:08.18 | NuDragon | a debian kernel binary isnt much larger than the full minor version increment patches |
| 08:08.37 | peterS | pacman: first step there would be for dpkg-deb to build .deb files using gzip --rsyncable, which AFAIK it does not do at the moment |
| 08:09.03 | peterS | (--rsyncable gzip files are, as the option implies, arranged such that xdelta and rsync can actually do something useful) |
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| 08:09.26 | charolastra | hi ppl |
| 08:09.30 | froztbyte | peterS: what do i do bout the modules which are not found |
| 08:09.41 | sep | peterS, should be the default in gz |
| 08:09.45 | pacman | xdelta knows what to do with compressed files, doesn't it? uncompress, compare, and recompress the comparison |
| 08:09.52 | froztbyte | peterS: anny specific configuration lines i can load? |
| 08:09.55 | peterS | sep: it's a debian-specific patch - I don't know if anyone else has incorporated it |
| 08:10.07 | charolastra | anyone running the extra szenarios for flightgear coming with apt? they all fail with "can't find runway X at airport Y" here |
| 08:10.10 | peterS | froztbyte: I have no idea what modules are missing, so I can't really advise you |
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| 08:10.25 | sep | peterS, pity.. it would be very useful |
| 08:10.42 | peterS | sep: but yes, it's pretty well tested by now, I think it should be made the default. it only costs 1 or 2 percent of the gzip file size, which I think is an excellent default tradeoff |
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| 08:10.51 | fusionfox | how do i extract a tar.gz and .tgz files?? |
| 08:10.52 | terrencevak | That's weird; gnome says it can't open the display. |
| 08:11.00 | froztbyte | peterS: init doesn't load any!! it just goes panic on all that it (tries to) loads |
| 08:11.08 | streuner | fusionfox: tar.gz are tgz files... |
| 08:11.09 | wers | fusionfox tar zxvf |
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| 08:11.19 | streuner | fusionfox: /msg dpkg tar |
| 08:11.37 | Darthvader | isn't there anyone who compile SRPMS for IA64? |
| 08:11.37 | peterS | froztbyte: init doesn't load modules, not directly. and the things that *do* load modules don't generally freeze when they can't find them. something else is going on. |
| 08:11.54 | peterS | Darthvader: probably not in #debian. we don't use SRPMs |
| 08:11.59 | streuner | Darthvader: you are in the wrong channel |
| 08:12.00 | terrencevak | Is it not possible to start gnome from the command-line? |
| 08:12.02 | Darthvader | ok... |
| 08:12.12 | asperon-work | Caelum: should i perhaps try cifs instead for smb? |
| 08:12.16 | streuner | terrencevak: via startx |
| 08:12.18 | wers | terrencevak startx |
| 08:12.24 | Darthvader | i'm now using debian...but..sometimes..rpms.....'s user |
| 08:12.27 | streuner | terrencevak: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 08:12.29 | NuDragon | terrencevak an X server has to be running first |
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| 08:13.00 | Darthvader | isn't there anyone who know the channel about ia64 RPMS? |
| 08:13.04 | torc | installing kernel-image-2.6 and removeing the 2.4 is enough for 2.4->2.6 switch for sarge? |
| 08:13.06 | NuDragon | terrencevak add the command to start gnome to ~/.xinitrc, then typing startx will start your gnome session |
| 08:13.09 | Darthvader | plz show me the GOD.....:) |
| 08:13.11 | sep | peterS, i assume the patch is sent upstreram to have it added to all |
| 08:13.14 | peterS | Darthvader: how are ia64 rpms different from i686 rpms? |
| 08:13.14 | froztbyte | peterS: modules should be located at /lib/modules, right? what i want to do is be able to boot 2.6.12 while still keeping 2.6.8 (sarge default) as fallback in case of trouble |
| 08:13.43 | peterS | sep: I'd assume so. it was written by one of the rsync authors actually (I forget which one - tridge or martin pitt I suppose), it didn't originate with debian |
| 08:14.01 | NuDragon | froztbyte the module directory is subdivided by kernel versions, so previously built modules are preserved for older kernels |
| 08:14.09 | Darthvader | exactly i don't know the difference between i686 & ia64 |
| 08:14.10 | froztbyte | peterS: and i need the kernel source in /usr/src for the nVidia installer to compile a kernel module (that's why i'm loading 2.6.12, i haven't got 2.6.8 on disc) |
| 08:14.14 | peterS | froztbyte: if you had used make-kpkg (from the kernel-package package) to build your kernel, you wouldn't have to worry about where modules were |
| 08:14.15 | torc | peterS: thanks, the backup went fine, the target was the windows host with nc piped to bzip2. |
| 08:14.28 | pacman | there's no such thing as RPM, it was a bad dream you had |
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| 08:14.44 | peterS | torc: heh. I'd have thought you'd do the compression on the debian end, save some network traffic. never mind if only gzip is supported in d-i |
| 08:14.52 | Darthvader | yes...sure...it's bad dream...nightmare... |
| 08:14.55 | NuDragon | froztbyte you can use module-assistant to build the nvidia package for your new kernel |
| 08:15.09 | wers | Darthvader Alien nightmare |
| 08:15.38 | NuDragon | sips* |
| 08:15.38 | Darthvader | yes.... |
| 08:15.39 | froztbyte | NuDragon: i still can't boot into the new kernel at the moment, modules don't load |
| 08:15.43 | wers | NuDragon bom |
| 08:15.53 | NuDragon | bom? |
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| 08:16.04 | wers | froztbyte What modules do you need to boot? |
| 08:16.13 | wers | NuDragon Bom shankar?0 |
| 08:16.15 | NuDragon | froztbyte is it a bootloader problem? or a problem after the kernel has loaded? |
| 08:16.20 | wers | NuDragon *the pipe* |
| 08:16.22 | marco | use of initialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDrive/Stack.pm line 83 |
| 08:16.22 | marco | info: Switching console charset mapping to ISO-8859-1 |
| 08:16.22 | marco | INIT: Id "1" respawing too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 08:16.25 | torc | peterS: there is only gunzip in there for sarge floppy install, dont know about the cd ;) |
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| 08:16.32 | marco | what means? |
| 08:16.34 | marco | use of initialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDrive/Stack.pm line 83 |
| 08:16.34 | marco | info: Switching console charset mapping to ISO-8859-1 |
| 08:16.34 | marco | INIT: Id "1" respawing too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 08:16.36 | peterS | torc: oh, not gzip? my mistake |
| 08:16.45 | froztbyte | NuDragon: not bootloader problem, after kernel loads |
| 08:16.55 | NuDragon | wers im american, i dont know what shankar or bom means. lol. |
| 08:17.01 | pacman | now that I've seen the phrase "Alien Nightmare" I expect to see it on the Sci-Fi channel next Saturday |
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| 08:17.14 | wers | NuDragon .. sry.. was trying to be funny.. nm |
| 08:17.21 | froztbyte | wers: just the ones which i picked for my pc setup (but i have also tried with the default kernel source module config) |
| 08:17.26 | pacman | did they actually take the gzip ability out of the gunzip binary though? if you ln gunzip gzip it might work. That's how they normally are |
| 08:17.28 | NuDragon | its ok, im on an all-nighter, so kinda out of it |
| 08:17.29 | peterS | pacman: featuring the 'alien' package? it was a nice pun, was it not? |
| 08:17.34 | torc | peterS: 10GB is fine, as long as the host box was compressing and managing the overall bandwidth usage through tcp. and it was not a speedy one :) |
| 08:17.53 | peterS | pacman: no, gunzip is reimplemented in a minimalist way, as with many other things in the debian-installer environment |
| 08:18.03 | NuDragon | froztbyte does a directory exist for the kernel youre trying to boot in /lib/modules? |
| 08:18.21 | peterS | exactly how much space this saved I have no idea |
| 08:18.23 | NuDragon | froztbyte if not, maybe you forgot to do make modules_install |
| 08:18.32 | froztbyte | dunno, i assume it should be /lib/modules/2.6.12? |
| 08:18.43 | NuDragon | yes |
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| 08:18.56 | NuDragon | does that dir exist? |
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| 08:19.16 | peterS | NuDragon: I told him to use make-kpkg. so far he doesn't show any sign of having paid any attention |
| 08:19.17 | froztbyte | did do modules_install. i ran make clean bzImage modules modules_install and manually copied kernel image |
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| 08:19.22 | torc | installing kernel-image-2.6 and removing the 2.4 is enough for 2.4->2.6 switch for sarge? |
| 08:19.33 | froztbyte | peterS: logging all advice, gonna try it when i reboot |
| 08:19.52 | peterS | torc: no need to remove the 2.4 until after you boot the 2.6 and confirm that it works fine for you |
| 08:19.59 | marco | hello what can i do? my error Switching console charset mapping to |
| 08:20.12 | peterS | torc: note also, installing the 2.6 kernel might pull in a couple of dependencies, like module-init-tools |
| 08:20.16 | blindboygrunt | hi, can anyone point me in the right direction on how to load/unload modules - I have insalled alsa, and now both oss and alsa modules are loading, I want to stop oss modules from loading - I am running the standard debian kernel |
| 08:20.26 | NuDragon | froztbyte are all drivers necessary for booting compiled into the kernel, or do you need to make an initrd? |
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| 08:20.35 | peterS | blindboygrunt: check /etc/modules - see if any oss modules are listed there - if so remove them |
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| 08:20.48 | peterS | blindboygrunt: the 'alsa-utils' package *should* prevent oss modules from laoding |
| 08:20.52 | froztbyte | maybe.. don't think i made a new initrd. how? |
| 08:20.55 | peterS | blindboygrunt: ...from loading in the other semiautomatic ways |
| 08:21.05 | blindboygrunt | peterS: thanks! |
| 08:21.14 | blindboygrunt | peterS: I'll try all three :) |
| 08:21.16 | pro_ | guys, how can i change the port that exim listens on, from the config file, i know how to do it in /etc/services but cant do it that way |
| 08:21.17 | NuDragon | man mkinitrd |
| 08:21.24 | froztbyte | thnx |
| 08:21.40 | NuDragon | you should change the config of the kernel though, so that all required drivers are compiled in |
| 08:21.49 | NuDragon | then an initrd would be unnecessary |
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| 08:22.00 | peterS | froztbyte: the whole *point* of compiling one's own kernel is to get away from a need for an initrd. in some cases that's not possible but those are not the common ones |
| 08:22.19 | NuDragon | personally, i just use a monolithic kernel, then keep module support turned on so that i can use the nvidia drivers |
| 08:22.26 | froztbyte | how do i boot then? just kernel /<kernel image> ] |
| 08:22.49 | froztbyte | how do i boot then? just kernel /<kernel image> [options] and then boot |
| 08:22.51 | froztbyte | soz, mispressed backspace there |
| 08:22.56 | peterS | froztbyte: you use make-kpkg to build a .deb file which you then install, and it takes care of updating /boot/grub/menu.lst for you, among other niceties |
| 08:23.26 | froztbyte | k, thnx |
| 08:23.29 | swimmer | dsfd |
| 08:23.34 | swimmer | ghfs |
| 08:23.45 | froztbyte | i'll try all this (really, even if all works on first try!!) |
| 08:23.52 | NuDragon | i use make-kpkg for all my custom kernels, and ive never had troubles, so that would prob be the best solution to your problems, in addition to making the kernel more monolithic |
| 08:23.56 | NuDragon | swimmer stfu |
| 08:24.01 | bibe | froztbyte : make-kpkg (when called with --initrd option) also takes care of generating an initrd image and packing it into the .deb |
| 08:24.05 | NuDragon | he left |
| 08:24.08 | justin420 | hi, anybody know of any good webcam security programs other than gspy? mainly ones that can monitor multiple cams at one time?? |
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| 08:24.27 | bibe | NuDragon : thanks, I saw it after sending the message |
| 08:24.44 | peterS | bibe: does it? that makes little sense - the initrd should be generated on the system the deb is *installed* on, not the one it is *built* on |
| 08:24.49 | NuDragon | its ok, i did the same thing :) |
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| 08:25.23 | terrencevak | OK, do I need an & after the gnopernicus command? |
| 08:25.37 | peterS | terrencevak: only if you want to run other commands in the same script before gnopernicus exits |
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| 08:26.04 | bibe | peterS : I think MODULES=most in the /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf is there for building an initrd at build time, but I can be wrong |
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| 08:26.39 | peterS | bibe: well, I've seen the light of yaird and I don't think I'll be going back to MODULES=anything_at_all, so hmmph. |
| 08:27.18 | peterS | (yaird == replacement for mkinitrd that only works with 2.6 kernels, but builds much slimmer (and allegedly more robust) initrds) |
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| 08:28.30 | bibe | peterS : really? can you point me to a simple howto, please? |
| 08:28.44 | peterS | bibe: aptitude install yaird; man mkinitrd.yaird |
| 08:29.05 | peterS | bibe: it tells you the simple configuration change you have to make so that installing a kernel package invokes yaird rather than mkinitrd |
| 08:29.14 | ClamIAm | so i'm attempting to compile a kernel... i don't really know what to tell make-kpkg to do |
| 08:29.22 | peterS | (then 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.12-1-k7' or whatever to have it regenerate the initrd) |
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| 08:29.39 | bibe | peterS : thank you very much. By the way, initrd image is built at install time, as you say |
| 08:29.56 | blindboygrunt | peterS: the alsa-utils package seemed to do the trick, thanks very much |
| 08:29.59 | pacman | all this complex crap... read linux/README it's all you need! |
| 08:30.59 | peterS | pacman: if we wanted a distribution that didn't keep track of our installed files and didn't have helper scripts that handled post-installation headaches like editing grub config, we'd be using something more akin to slackware than debian (: |
| 08:31.25 | bibe | peterS : yaird id only available in etch and sid, I think I'll use it when I will dist-upgrade. Thank you for the suggestion, anyway |
| 08:31.31 | pacman | headache? you're saying that all this mkinitrd crap isn't a headache? |
| 08:31.57 | peterS | pacman: replacing mkinitrd with yaird is quite optional. as for the rest, make-kpkg basically handles it for you |
| 08:32.25 | peterS | I forget whether you have to pass an option in to it to have it do so, since I haven't actually built a custom kernel for some time |
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| 08:33.40 | prog | hi all, I downloaded sources with apt-get source proftpd, then I download mod_exec module and put it into the source tree. Now I need to build debian package with this added module, but I do not know how. Can anyone advice me or give a link to howto ? thank you! |
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| 08:33.46 | fusionfox | whats the command to restart gnome?/ |
| 08:34.05 | terrencevak | OK, now gnopernicus is running, but I still don't have mouse capability, and it says assistive technology support isn't enabled. Is there a way to control the thing without the mouse so I can hit the enable button? |
| 08:34.22 | ClamIAm | fusionfox, heh, i usually just kill x |
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| 08:34.41 | prog | fusionfox, i usually /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 08:34.51 | kreg | anyone run into this? |
| 08:34.52 | kreg | dpkg: error processing uw-imapd (--configure) |
| 08:35.02 | kreg | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 08:35.10 | kreg | been looking at bts, havne't found anything to help |
| 08:35.11 | peterS | terrencevak: wait, still no mouse? but the X server doesn't complain about /dev/gpmdata and protocol "IntelliMouse"? |
| 08:35.28 | prog | kreg, try dpkg - --configure |
| 08:35.32 | prog | kreg, try dpkg -a --configure |
| 08:35.46 | terrencevak | peters: Not that I can tell anyway. |
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| 08:36.22 | kreg | prog, it was an error while running apt-get install uw-imapd |
| 08:36.30 | terrencevak | peterS: Unless it's that little dialog box I can't read. |
| 08:36.38 | Nach | nevyn, I'm still having issues, even after a kernel upgrade :/ I have logged output of the CD burning session here: http://board.zsnes.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=80037#80037 |
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| 08:36.51 | prog | kreg, i am sorry but this is message from dpkg subsystem |
| 08:37.00 | kreg | i know |
| 08:37.15 | kreg | i'm just saying it happened using apt-get install |
| 08:37.17 | pacman | kreg, find that postinst script and make it run with sh -x, that might give some clues. |
| 08:37.21 | peterS | terrencevak: well, if you switch back to a text console you can read about it in /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log (I forget whether you're running xorg) |
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| 08:37.45 | kreg | pacman, i don't know what a postinit script is. |
| 08:38.15 | pacman | <kreg> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 <-- that's a postinst script. /var/lib/dpkg/info/uw-imapd.postinst I'd guess. |
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| 08:38.49 | kreg | ok. that happens right after dpkg tries this. |
| 08:38.50 | kreg | hostname: Unknown host |
| 08:38.55 | kreg | durring the setup |
| 08:39.40 | pacman | what's wrong with your hostname then? |
| 08:40.01 | peterS | lemme guess, it's not in /etc/hosts |
| 08:40.11 | streuner | kreg: did you forget to setup the hostname during setup? |
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| 08:40.54 | kreg | it's there. |
| 08:40.55 | kreg | 127.0.0.1 tomalak localhost |
| 08:41.06 | streuner | hm |
| 08:41.09 | peterS | kreg: and 'hostname' reports tomalak? |
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| 08:41.18 | kreg | yoip |
| 08:41.22 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 08:41.37 | pacman | was the sh -x suggestion missed? |
| 08:41.52 | kreg | oh wait.... |
| 08:41.54 | kreg | wrong host. |
| 08:41.55 | kreg | yes that was it |
| 08:42.01 | kreg | thank ya! |
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| 08:43.33 | terrencevak | peters: The message box goes by so fast I can't squint to read it qDo old start-up attempts show up in the X log, or do they get overwritten? |
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| 08:43.52 | peterS | terrencevak: the get overwritten |
| 08:43.54 | SimonRaven | ^s |
| 08:44.19 | pacman | I remember when... you had to run "X 2> errs" to save a copy of the error messages... |
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| 08:45.20 | terrencevak | peterS: There's no mouse warnings in the X log. |
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| 08:45.58 | peterS | terrencevak: so it seems gpm is derelict in its duty to send mouse packets to X |
| 08:46.05 | peterS | terrencevak: you say on the console the mouse works fine? |
| 08:46.22 | terrencevak | Apparently. Actually, it doesn't even work on the console anymore. |
| 08:46.40 | peterS | terrencevak: oh dear. so start by restarting gpm (/etc/init.d/gpm restart) |
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| 08:48.11 | peterS | terrencevak: then verify ('ps -fu root | grep gpm') that gpm is only running once, and that it includes the -Rms3 parameter on its command line |
| 08:48.21 | terrencevak | peters: Nada. |
| 08:48.54 | peterS | eh? |
| 08:49.13 | kevix | terrencevak, did you upgrade udev recently and your usb mouse stopped working? |
| 08:49.25 | peterS | kevix: he hasn't got udev, or a USB mouse |
| 08:49.31 | terrencevak | peterS: Nothing happens. The mouse is still dead... no, it's a ps2 mouse. |
| 08:49.48 | peterS | terrencevak: and gpm, is it running? |
| 08:50.04 | terrencevak | I think so; I just restarted it. |
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| 08:50.19 | kevix | terrencevak, do you have 'psmouse' kernel module loaded? |
| 08:50.28 | peterS | terrencevak: verify with 'ps -fu root | grep gpm', would you? as I asked a moment ago? make sure it's only running one copy, and that the one copy has -Rms3 in it |
| 08:50.44 | peterS | kevix: no he does not |
| 08:50.49 | peterS | kevix: he is not running a 2.6 kernel |
| 08:51.38 | kevix | peterS, ok. thanks for the info. kinda assumed 2.6 as most folks here use it. |
| 08:52.16 | terrencevak | peters: It shows up twice, actually. |
| 08:52.32 | peterS | terrencevak: kill them both, would you, then '/etc/init.d/gpm start' again? |
| 08:52.43 | peterS | kevix: I hate to sound grumpy but I've been on the case for a couple hours now off and on. believe me, it is nothing so simple as a missing kernel module or a udev upgrade gone wrong |
| 08:53.18 | pacman | he's been here all night, peterS is on the case so much I think they have a common-law marriage now |
| 08:53.51 | peterS | kevix: I also have a bit of a vested interest in this problem, since it involves gpm, whose debian packaging I am partially responsible for |
| 08:53.57 | kevix | pacman, x-) |
| 08:54.43 | kevix | peterS, was s/he able to use X and mouse without GDM? |
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| 08:54.59 | terrencevak | Voila! |
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| 08:55.14 | peterS | terrencevak: eh? gpm has sprung to life once more? |
| 08:55.22 | kevix | terrencevak, so.... do tell! |
| 08:55.53 | peterS | kevix: didn't try. once we realised he was already using gpm successfully it seemed better to make that work than to discard it |
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| 08:56.48 | terrencevak | Well I got it back. Now to fix my screen resolution, which I think is just a matter of fixing my screen configuration. I think I set the resolution too high. |
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| 08:57.19 | terrencevak | So I'm gonna go fix that so I can see the whole screen. `-) |
| 08:57.24 | mo1991 | is there a .deb file for sarge for pyslsk - the soul seek client? |
| 08:57.25 | Skaag | Can I set the attributes of a directory such that whatever's in it can not be executed? |
| 08:57.28 | peterS | terrencevak: I wonder why gpm died on you. that's not normal, gpm is supposed to be reasonably robust (though hardly what I would call lovely code) |
| 08:57.33 | kevix | peterS, what would you estimate was the cause of this mouse/x/gdm problem? |
| 08:57.42 | wers | mp1991 I use nicotine |
| 08:57.53 | peterS | kevix: gdm was not involved |
| 08:57.55 | wers | mp1991 its just as good |
| 08:58.08 | pacman | Skaag, you can do a noexec mount, but that's not per-directory. It might work with bind-mounts though |
| 08:58.10 | kreg | anyone know where to find the config for uw-imapd? i need to change it to read mbox instead |
| 08:58.39 | Skaag | pacman: my problem is that some kids from brazil are uploading something to /var/tmp and then somehow they are managing to execute it |
| 08:58.47 | Skaag | I don't know how they manage THAT though |
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| 08:59.26 | peterS | kevix: the initial problem seems to have been the usual confusion of having gpm and X both think they controlled the same mouse, which is a good thing to avoid |
| 08:59.35 | Skaag | tons of stuff from security.debian.org :-( |
| 08:59.42 | Skaag | looks like a box that was not upgraded for ages |
| 08:59.43 | pacman | Skaag, mounting it noexec would put an extra obstacle in place... maybe not a hard one to overcome but an obstacle |
| 09:00.12 | peterS | kevix: well, that kind of came in in the middle of his other problems, chiefly having to do with configured screen resolution being too low, I guess the mouse hadn't made it up his priority list yet (: |
| 09:00.12 | Skaag | pacman: It's not a NASA project, and the data is backed up... I guess enough obstacles to avoid the common script kiddie |
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| 09:00.26 | paivakil | Skaag: how did they get write access to /var/tmp in the first place? |
| 09:00.28 | Skaag | pacman: It looks like a bunch of people spreading the word about irregularities in the latest elections in brazil ;-) |
| 09:00.38 | Skaag | paivakil: No idea! |
| 09:00.46 | kevix | peterS, OH! gpm not GDM! |
| 09:00.48 | Skaag | paivakil: I guess through some php script vulnerability |
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| 09:00.52 | terrencevak | Actually, the mouse had been my main focus. It's just now I'm focusing on the resolution. |
| 09:00.53 | wers | ..how many is a brazillion? |
| 09:00.57 | paivakil | Skaag: what distro? |
| 09:01.05 | Skaag | paivakil: debian! |
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| 09:01.13 | paivakil | Skaag: version? |
| 09:01.16 | peterS | kevix: eventually I pointed him at how to switch to a gpm repeater setup, but somewhere in configuring that, his gpm process went catatonic for reasons unknown. that caused the mouse to not err, but also not work, in X |
| 09:01.31 | ttz | hi guys, I'd like someone to _bounce_ me the recent security advisory about "xloadimage"... I know that I can see it on the website, but I need the mail, for testing purpose. Thank you. ttz@chchile.org |
| 09:01.53 | pacman | I don't know if you can safely mount /var noexec... but if you can clean it out, you should be able to mkdir /var/newtmp;mount --bind -o noexec /var/newtmp /var/tmp (I'm not sure it'll work though, test it afterware) |
| 09:02.23 | sep | ttz, it never occured to you that you might get 756 emails ? :)) |
| 09:02.24 | peterS | pacman: I don't think options like noexec can be changed through --bind |
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| 09:02.41 | Skaag | paivakil: checking |
| 09:02.43 | peterS | in fact I don't think any options can. /etc/mtab might say they are but the kernel won't honor the difference |
| 09:02.45 | ttz | sep: I like risks ;-) |
| 09:03.01 | peterS | I haven't tested this, it's just something I read somewhere |
| 09:03.15 | pacman | noexec is silly anyway since you can just run it with ld.so |
| 09:03.38 | pacman | but a small obstacle for the script kiddies gets their population down |
| 09:03.39 | peterS | in the common case, yes |
| 09:03.47 | ttz | sep: btw, I still don't have any mail :-) Can you bounce it to me, please ? |
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| 09:04.14 | jethro | !beer ttz |
| 09:04.22 | pacman | you're right, it doesn't work. |
| 09:04.23 | sep | ttz, sure |
| 09:04.31 | ttz | _bounce_, not forward |
| 09:04.52 | ttz | thanks jethro :) |
| 09:05.04 | ttz | I don't know this beer |
| 09:05.28 | pacman | on the other hand, /var/tmp could be a loop device if you have a good upper bound on how much stuff gets dumped in there. _that_ would give you any mount options you want |
| 09:06.00 | peterS | true |
| 09:06.01 | jethro | ttz: sounds like a german beer :) |
| 09:06.09 | jethro | hello #debian btw |
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| 09:06.52 | sep | ttz, sorry i fetch it with pop3 it's only in my evolution |
| 09:07.11 | ttz | ok sep, no problem, I've jsut got one. Thanks anyway ! :) |
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| 09:08.16 | Alpha1 | hi |
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| 09:08.58 | Alpha1 | I installed debian 3.1r0 off a dvd on my home pc, which doesn't have a net connection - any ideas where I can find the .deb for kernel-headers-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8, so I can hunt around to try and find the nvidia deb stuff? |
| 09:09.34 | peterS | Alpha1: http://packages.debian.org/ is very helpful for this sort of thing |
| 09:09.41 | Alpha1 | yay thanks++ peterS |
| 09:11.29 | Alpha1 | woot, found it |
| 09:11.55 | kevix | Alpha1, 'apt-cache search kernel-headers|grep 2.6|grep amd' |
| 09:12.30 | peterS | that's only helpful if he's got a debian box that *is* on the net |
| 09:14.00 | marco | hello |
| 09:14.17 | marco | Switching console charset mapping to ISO, what means? |
| 09:14.28 | marco | this error is in loop |
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| 09:14.37 | Alpha1 | hmmm, it's a tarball, shouldn't I be getting a .deb file? |
| 09:14.48 | kevix | peterS, apt-cache doesnt require a net connection, but p.d.o does. so who did you direct the comment towards? |
| 09:14.52 | Alpha1 | ( http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/kernel-headers-2.6-amd64-k8 ) |
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| 09:15.26 | pacman | he's obviously somewhere with network access _now_. |
| 09:16.14 | kevix | pacman, but the debian machine is not on the net. so either he uses the DVD or sneakernet from the net connected machine. |
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| 09:17.26 | pc10 | hola |
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| 09:17.41 | marco | my loop error: Switching console charset mapping to ISO..... |
| 09:17.45 | marco | what can i do? |
| 09:17.59 | Gnea | live with it. |
| 09:18.04 | Nach | where is the archive of old packages? |
| 09:18.17 | Gnea | old packages? |
| 09:18.19 | Gnea | woody? |
| 09:18.22 | Nach | no |
| 09:18.28 | Nach | just like a month old |
| 09:18.32 | marco | live with error? |
| 09:18.32 | Guerin | !sdn |
| 09:18.32 | dpkg | sdn is probably go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem. |
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| 09:18.43 | Nach | after some searching online, it seems cdrecord is currently borken |
| 09:18.44 | Gnea | yes, snapshot |
| 09:18.59 | Gnea | works fine here |
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| 09:19.39 | Nach | Gnea, you running unstable and cdrecord works fine? |
| 09:19.40 | arnab | hey |
| 09:19.50 | peterS | kevix: apt-cache requires either a net connection or a *complete* set of CDs having been entered, which is also unlikely. http://pdo requires a net connection but not a debian machine. he obviously has that, since he's on irc. |
| 09:20.18 | pacman | that's pathetic. Dejanews and Google put together usenet 20 years retroactively by putting together a giant backup tape jigsaw puzzle, and Debian can't keep a single working archive of its own packages, which have only been around for 10 years? |
| 09:20.20 | Gnea | Nach: yes. |
| 09:20.37 | Nach | Gnea, and you dist-upgrade'd recently? |
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| 09:20.43 | kevix | peterS, he said he had used a DVD. so... |
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| 09:20.48 | Gnea | Nach: a few days ago... |
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| 09:20.59 | marco | HOWTO: Switching console charset mapping to ISO..... |
| 09:21.00 | SpamHog | marco: does the console work properly? |
| 09:21.07 | marco | yes |
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| 09:21.21 | Nach | Gnea, well it's not working for me, and the Debian bugs page lists it's broken, and sevel forums I searched have users complaining it's broken |
| 09:21.35 | Gnea | Nach: hrm... |
| 09:21.37 | Nach | Gnea, is your drive SATA or SCSI or something? |
| 09:21.43 | terrencevak | Is there any way to query for what my best resolution would be? |
| 09:21.44 | SpamHog | I remember seeing something like that... "what" is telling you it's an error? |
| 09:21.49 | mjk64 | peterS: Can't find details in my lastlog: What's this pdo/p.d.o stuff? |
| 09:21.55 | SpamHog | dmesg? |
| 09:21.59 | marco | Spam: yes |
| 09:22.27 | peterS | terrencevak: read-edid can often do it. install that package then run 'get-edid | parse-edid' |
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| 09:22.51 | Gnea | Nach: what kernel are you on? |
| 09:22.52 | peterS | mjk64: nothing important. the guy was looking for a package to be downloaded and I pointed him to http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 09:23.03 | mjk64 | peterS: duh! okay, thanks =) |
| 09:23.07 | Nach | Gnea, I was on 2.6.11 then tried 2.6.12 |
| 09:23.14 | Gnea | hrm |
| 09:23.15 | peterS | mjk64: that's often abbreviated 'pdo', although that's slightly ambiguous (can also be people.debian.org or planet.debian.org) |
| 09:23.17 | Nach | and I found online someone with 2.4.x had the same issue |
| 09:23.19 | SpamHog | marco: not sure, you may have selected a "locale" that requires an ISO mapping but it isn't available... yet, if it works, it should not be a problem |
| 09:23.23 | Gnea | Linux version 2.6.12-sid (root@teletrantwo) (gcc version 3.4.5 20050821 (prerelease) (Debian 3.4.4-8)) #3 Sat Sep 3 02:13:08 MST 2005 |
| 09:23.29 | mjk64 | peterS: Ah, okay! |
| 09:23.39 | marco | yes maybe i have problem with kde |
| 09:23.43 | Gnea | Nach: maybe it's the manufacturer? i have a lite-on |
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| 09:23.58 | marco | sometimes it's good |
| 09:23.59 | Gnea | at least with cdrw's |
| 09:24.01 | marco | sometimes not |
| 09:24.03 | Nach | well the bug report on the tracker currently is a lite on too |
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| 09:24.17 | Gnea | what's the bug #? |
| 09:24.27 | Nach | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=330371 |
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| 09:24.34 | marco | Spam : but this message is in loop |
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| 09:24.52 | marco | spam : this is the full message |
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| 09:24.54 | marco | use of initialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDrive/Stack.pm line 83 |
| 09:24.54 | marco | info: Switching console charset mapping to ISO-8859-1 |
| 09:24.54 | marco | INIT: Id "1" respawing too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 09:25.05 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | come on... somebody somewhere has got to be not asleep... |
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| 09:25.15 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | someone somewhere out there on the network has got to be awake |
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| 09:25.18 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | and wanting to chat... |
| 09:25.34 | ClamIAm | hmm i shouldve disabled more stuff in the kernel configuration :P |
| 09:25.44 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | yay! an alive person! |
| 09:25.44 | kevix | terrencevak, what does 'xdpyinfo |grep resolution' say? |
| 09:25.50 | marco | spam: here again |
| 09:25.53 | pacman | your nick gave everyone motion sickness |
| 09:25.55 | ClamIAm | i don't need ipv6 :( |
| 09:26.06 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | w00t. people. |
| 09:26.08 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | :-) |
| 09:26.12 | Shadur | C4bl3Fl4m3: Generally most of us only talk in here when we have something relevant to say. |
| 09:26.27 | ClamIAm | or when we THINK we have something relevant :D |
| 09:26.34 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | yeah... I'm seeing that. I'm just feeling like shooting the breeze with geeks tonight. |
| 09:26.43 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | (or this morning, as the case may be) |
| 09:27.02 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | and I'm having problems finding a channel that has anyone on it that's actually awake |
| 09:27.04 | SpamHog | marco: off my map... no idea... |
| 09:27.10 | Gnea | C4bl3Fl4m3: i can see why. |
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| 09:27.16 | terrencevak | kevix: Let me get that program. |
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| 09:27.23 | kevix | C4bl3Fl4m3, we respond to debian questions here. so ask one of those. |
| 09:27.28 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | hmm |
| 09:27.34 | Gnea | C4bl3Fl4m3: right, stick to topic or get out. |
| 09:27.37 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | well, I'm actualy running debian right now |
| 09:27.43 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | ah, thanks for being so friendly |
| 09:27.47 | Gnea | anytime |
| 09:27.48 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:27.51 | marco | spam: thanks |
| 09:28.05 | SpamHog | marco: sorry |
| 09:28.11 | marco | how can i try to reconfigure my video cards? |
| 09:28.16 | terrencevak | kevix: It can't open the display. |
| 09:28.16 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | actually, do you do help with knoppix? or because it's a debian derivative, it's not under your jurisdiction? |
| 09:28.25 | Gnea | !knoppix |
| 09:28.25 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
| 09:28.27 | marco | i just try with dpkd -configure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:28.35 | kevix | terrencevak, are you running it as root? |
| 09:28.42 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | fair enough |
| 09:28.43 | C4bl3Fl4m3 | cya |
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| 09:28.56 | peterS | marco: you mean dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 09:29.13 | SpamHog | C4bl3Fl4m3: ask a Debian question, go to #knoppix or we'll be unhappy |
| 09:29.16 | terrencevak | kevix Yep. |
| 09:29.29 | marco | -reconfigure what? |
| 09:29.32 | kevix | terrencevak, dont do that x-) |
| 09:29.38 | marco | xserver-xfree86? |
| 09:29.40 | Gnea | wow, debian dvds take a year to burn |
| 09:29.53 | Gnea | (figuratively) |
| 09:30.28 | kevix | Gnea, so debian could release after you finish burning a dvd! |
| 09:30.43 | Gnea | kevix: it is entirely conceivable. |
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| 09:31.11 | Nach | Gnea, I just got cdrecord from stable, seems to be working fine now |
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| 09:31.20 | marco | Spam sei dei nostri? |
| 09:31.22 | Gnea | Nach: o.O right on |
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| 09:31.34 | terrencevak | kevix Nope, still doesn't work. But I'm not in x at the moment. |
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| 09:31.40 | kevix | C4bl3Fl4m3, there are far too many difference between say knoppix or ubuntu for us to give you 100% reliable advice. |
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| 09:31.46 | SpamHog | si' - only English lingua franca here, pls! or dcc me |
| 09:32.07 | Gnea | SpamHog: he left |
| 09:32.08 | Nach | Gnea, hmm, still slower than normal though |
| 09:32.21 | kevix | terrencevak, its suppose to be run in X and not as root. so does that mean you are at a console? |
| 09:32.34 | Gnea | Nach: are you doing just a standard cd? or a dvd? |
| 09:32.34 | terrencevak | kevix Yes, I am. |
| 09:32.53 | terrencevak | kevix I'm in a console at the moment. |
| 09:33.00 | Nach | Gnea, a CD |
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| 09:33.08 | Gnea | Nach: tried a dvd yet? |
| 09:33.15 | Nach | Gnea, no I haven;t |
| 09:33.43 | Gnea | Nach: you might want to, just for kicks - also, did you compile ide-cd support into the kernel? |
| 09:33.44 | marco | spam: non riesco andare in DCC |
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| 09:34.00 | Nach | Gnea, I did not compile my kernel |
| 09:34.02 | Gnea | marco: english, please |
| 09:34.05 | kevix | terrencevak, you are trying to figure out the highest X resoultion? |
| 09:34.14 | Gnea | Nach: so it's a loaded module? |
| 09:34.19 | SpamHog | C4bl3Fl4m3: I just had a similar experience with Mepis... it does have apt-get etc. but as soon as you look under the hood you get surprised and confused and befuddled and circonlost |
| 09:34.31 | marco | ok Grea scusa |
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| 09:34.41 | terrencevak | kevix Basically. I want the highest resolution I can get without running off the screen. |
| 09:34.49 | Gnea | SpamHog: i did that with xandros, was easy to figure out |
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| 09:35.02 | terrencevak | peters and kevix: And get-edid | parse-edid says my edid is probably invalid. |
| 09:35.12 | Nach | Gnea, I would assume so |
| 09:35.26 | Gnea | Nach: lsmod | grep ide-cd |
| 09:35.37 | Nach | hmm |
| 09:35.37 | Nach | nope |
| 09:35.40 | Gnea | hrm |
| 09:35.41 | Gnea | ok |
| 09:35.48 | Gnea | Nach: what is it? /dev/hda or something? |
| 09:35.49 | SpamHog | Gnea: Libranet OTOH is very compatible, they just have a set of config tools and initial configurations. |
| 09:35.49 | marco | ok when i use dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xfree86 i got an error : --control and --remove are in conflict |
| 09:35.55 | peterS | terrencevak: oh, bleh. rumor has it, google is pretty good with horizontal and vertical refresh frequencies for random monitors, if you know the model name and number |
| 09:36.00 | Nach | Gnea, /dev/hdd |
| 09:36.09 | ttz | bye guys ! |
| 09:36.11 | peterS | marco: I DID NOT SAY DPKG -RECONFIGURE, I SAID DPKG-RECONFIGURE |
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| 09:36.29 | marco | ok |
| 09:36.31 | buz | hi |
| 09:36.34 | Gnea | Nach: k, do you have a line like this in your grub config: hdd=ide-cd ? |
| 09:36.44 | Nach | I use lilo |
| 09:36.49 | kevix | terrencevak, I had a run-in with this recently. by changing HorizSync and VertRefresh, I gained or lost resolution options. |
| 09:36.53 | Gnea | lilo, grub, whatevah |
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| 09:36.56 | buz | any reason why 3.1 won't detect my RTL8169 gigabit lan card? |
| 09:37.03 | Gnea | append="hdd=ice-cd" |
| 09:37.05 | marco | the exact line is dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 09:37.07 | SpamHog | someone adds a space in Brazil and 6 month later there's a tornado in Kansas |
| 09:37.09 | Nach | no I don't |
| 09:37.11 | terrencevak | peters: Hmm...I'm afraid I don't... and the guy who might know the model is probably asleep! |
| 09:37.28 | Gnea | SpamHog: you, sir, are a clueless idiot. |
| 09:37.29 | peterS | terrencevak: it's not printed on a sticker on the back of the monitor? |
| 09:37.43 | SpamHog | Gnea: ?? |
| 09:37.44 | peterS | or screened onto a corner of the front of the bezel? |
| 09:37.54 | Nach | Gnea, should I be adding ide-cd somehow? |
| 09:37.56 | Gnea | SpamHog: the relevency is...? |
| 09:38.06 | Gnea | Nach: yes, that is why it's not working right. |
| 09:38.17 | Nach | so how do I add it? |
| 09:38.20 | Gnea | then you will have to reboot after you run lilo |
| 09:38.26 | terrencevak | peters Let me turn some lights on. |
| 09:38.26 | Gnea | edit /etc/lilo.conf |
| 09:38.31 | Gnea | look for the append="" line |
| 09:38.35 | peterS | kevix: of course you did. the X server only offers modes that fit the constraints you give it |
| 09:38.42 | SpamHog | Gnea: marco had just added a space where it didn't belong & peterS howled |
| 09:39.12 | peterS | SpamHog: he made a similar mistake earlier and I corrected him. it was a little bit annoying to have to administer the same correction twice to the same person |
| 09:39.22 | Gnea | SpamHog: ah ok - well i tried to tell someone that we speak english here... |
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| 09:39.27 | SpamHog | hence the twister |
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| 09:39.42 | SpamHog | :-) |
| 09:39.54 | terrencevak | peters and kevix: It's printed so small I can't see it. |
| 09:39.55 | Gnea | definately not in kansas |
| 09:40.04 | peterS | Gnea: yes, yes I am |
| 09:40.13 | Gnea | oh dear lord |
| 09:40.16 | Gnea | peterS: i'm sorry |
| 09:40.17 | kevix | peterS, I used the ones xdebconfigurator guessed. but then I fiddled with xorg.conf and more modes appeared! |
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| 09:40.31 | Nach | Gnea, okay, I'll test |
| 09:40.36 | Gnea | peterS: why don't you get out? |
| 09:40.44 | Gnea | peterS: or do you enjoy it? |
| 09:40.52 | peterS | Gnea: get out of where? it's 4:40 in the morning, where would I go? |
| 09:41.00 | Gnea | ... |
| 09:41.05 | Gnea | okay, nevermind. |
| 09:41.06 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:41.11 | petemc | stripclub |
| 09:41.15 | Gnea | heh |
| 09:41.22 | Gnea | they have strip clubs in kansas? |
| 09:41.27 | petemc | no idea |
| 09:41.29 | Gnea | i thought the religious right banned those |
| 09:41.31 | peterS | Gnea: not at 4:40 in the morning |
| 09:41.33 | Gnea | stupid fucks |
| 09:41.47 | Gnea | yeah, it's weird |
| 09:41.59 | Gnea | i live in a place that pretty much shuts down after midnight |
| 09:42.04 | marco | peterS: your comand line don't works |
| 09:42.09 | peterS | kevix: you make it sound like magic. the X server has a large list of builtin modes. it only uses the ones that correspond to resolutions you specify and fit within the parameters of the H & V refreshes |
| 09:42.27 | Guerin | i live in a country where everyone is home in bed by 0200 on January 1st |
| 09:42.36 | peterS | marco: maybe you could leave out some more facts, then we might figure out what your problem is |
| 09:42.40 | Gnea | Guerin: or so you think |
| 09:42.49 | Guerin | we got thrown out of a noraebang at 0500 last NY |
| 09:42.54 | Guerin | hrm |
| 09:42.58 | terrencevak | Going to see if Bryan's still awake. |
| 09:43.00 | Guerin | 0430 |
| 09:43.18 | marco | peterS: i have problem with kde, sometimes i see it good and sometimes not |
| 09:43.28 | Gnea | backups are a beautiful thing |
| 09:43.49 | peterS | kevix: well, and the max dot clock of the video card, it obviously doesn't let you exceed that either (: |
| 09:43.50 | marco | i installed debian on a old notebook |
| 09:44.03 | SpamHog | marco: is it a rendering problem or are you missing letters IN windows? |
| 09:44.18 | marco | i think rendering problems |
| 09:44.38 | marco | i don't miss any letters in windows, i miss only mu honey :) |
| 09:44.39 | SpamHog | marco: like, messed-up strips in video? |
| 09:44.48 | Gnea | as soon as this burn is done i am outtie |
| 09:45.08 | marco | messed-up? wait i translate this word |
| 09:45.14 | positrix | what is ftpmaster? |
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| 09:45.29 | peterS | positrix: one who handles an FTP server. in what context? |
| 09:45.53 | positrix | peterS: as in debian legal issues ftpmaster review |
| 09:46.14 | Gnea | 4665081856/4686706688 (99.5%) @1.3x, remaining 0:12 |
| 09:46.23 | marco | SpamHog: sometimes messed up and sometimes problem with brightness |
| 09:46.33 | SpamHog | positrix: I bet it has to do with deciding what packages to leave on servers... |
| 09:46.45 | peterS | positrix: people who control the contents of the online debian archive |
| 09:47.02 | terrencevak | Guess I just keep tweaking and/or wait 'til Bryan wakes up to ask him... and/or get Jeannie to read it in the morning. |
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| 09:47.46 | peterS | terrencevak: you're seriously saying you can't read the label on the back of the monitor so you have to wait for someone else to get up and read it? |
| 09:47.54 | kevix | positrix, checkout http://debian.home.pipeline.com and look at 'debian diagram' |
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| 09:48.00 | Gnea | YES! one debian dvd done |
| 09:48.18 | terrencevak | peters Exactly. It's smaller print than I can read. |
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| 09:48.46 | SpamHog | marco: 2 things - a) ther may very well be a problem with to little video memory - try a lightweight environment like IceWM and see if it gets better ("apt-get install icewm" should be enough, and the login manager should also get an additional IceWM option) |
| 09:48.53 | peterS | terrencevak: if you get monitor specs, here is what you are looking for: "horizontal sync" or "horizontal refresh" is a range of two numbers, in kilohertz (kHz). with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, the 'advanced' monitor configuration will ask you for this range |
| 09:49.10 | Guerin | terrencevak: hwinfo -monitor; should tell you |
| 09:49.16 | SpamHog | marco: b) back to X configuration... |
| 09:49.25 | peterS | terrencevak: "vertical refresh" is much less important - if need be you can just throw random numbers in there like "50-120" and probably nothing will go wrong |
| 09:49.42 | peterS | terrencevak: (but if you get the horizontal numbers, the vertical numbers will almost always be with them) |
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| 09:49.49 | peterS | terrencevak: note that horizontal is in kHz, vertical is in Hz. |
| 09:49.59 | kevix | positrix, there is a server called ftpmaster.debian.org as well as the folks who control its contents. |
| 09:50.03 | marco | SpamHog: thanks, but how can i come back to x configuration?= |
| 09:50.26 | peterS | terrencevak: typical numbers: my monitor can do 1600x1200 at 60 Hz, horizontal range is 30-87.6, vertical range is 50-90. |
| 09:50.36 | terrencevak | peters Actually, I figured out I could do get-edid | parse-edid on my original system; it actually worked. |
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| 09:51.02 | peterS | terrencevak: oh, with the problematic monitor plugged into it? good deal. did it report those ranges? |
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| 09:51.11 | peterS | (sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't) |
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| 09:51.28 | terrencevak | peters: Yep, it did, believe it or not. |
| 09:51.39 | SpamHog | marco: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 09:51.46 | marco | ok |
| 09:51.46 | peterS | terrencevak: so, out of curiosity, what are the numbers? |
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| 09:52.27 | terrencevak | Horizsync is 30-82, vertrefresh is 56-72. |
| 09:52.43 | terrencevak | peters: er 56-76 |
| 09:52.51 | peterS | ahhh |
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| 09:53.01 | peterS | I was gonna say, that's a bit low, most monitors can do better than 72 Hz refresh rate |
| 09:53.11 | peterS | 76 Hz is still a bit low but is more reasonable |
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| 09:53.37 | SpamHog | marco / anyone: can you do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" from an X termianl or do you have to drop to CLI, kill X and gdm first? |
| 09:53.45 | peterS | 30-82 kHz horizontal is quite typical |
| 09:53.49 | Revenger | 75Hz everywhere. |
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| 09:54.03 | Revenger | s/Bridate/Brigade/ |
| 09:54.04 | terrencevak | OK, now I'm going to try to work with this info. |
| 09:54.18 | paivakil | SpamHog: just fire it from any place |
| 09:54.24 | marco | SpamHog: i think i kill kde |
| 09:54.28 | kevix | peterS, I set mine to 30-90 |
| 09:54.28 | peterS | terrencevak: like I said, just use the 'advanced' monitor configuration in 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and it will just ask you for those numbers directly |
| 09:54.32 | SpamHog | paivakil: thanks |
| 09:54.39 | marco | but i hade to kill gdm too? |
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| 09:55.25 | Nach | Gnea, no change. And frankly, I don't think it's kernel related, as it's a recent dist-upgrade that caused it, and I switched to 2.6.11 months ago |
| 09:56.08 | terrencevak | peters: How do I best decide which driver to use, among newport, vga, vesa, etc.? |
| 09:56.23 | peterS | terrencevak: what's your actual video chip? |
| 09:56.41 | ClamIAm | Q: So if I have the cpuspeed-utility-things installed, should i disble speedstep in the bios? |
| 09:56.47 | SpamHog | marco: paivakil says killing X is not needed - but if you HAVE to, yes, gdm is the process that brings back X and the graphic login |
| 09:56.55 | terrencevak | peters Would that be in the edid info also? |
| 09:57.06 | peterS | terrencevak: 'lspci | grep VGA' |
| 09:57.44 | terrencevak | peters: No results. |
| 09:57.58 | peterS | terrencevak: what kind of machine is this, then? |
| 09:58.14 | terrencevak | peters It's an emachine. |
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| 09:58.27 | peterS | terrencevak: and "lspci" does not show any VGA-compatible graphics cards? |
| 09:58.30 | SpamHog | marco: 1) get to a real CLI terminal (ctr+alt+F1) 2) ps -e --forest | less 3) read the gdm process number 4) kill -KILL <process nr.> |
| 09:58.31 | kevix | terrencevak, you can google for the model specs. |
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| 09:58.46 | terrencevak | Yep, it shows VGA; I was doing vga. |
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| 09:58.53 | peterS | terrencevak: I capitalise this stuff on purpose (: |
| 09:58.57 | SpamHog | then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:59.37 | terrencevak | peters True, but sometimes when listening to the screen reader, I miss the caps. |
| 09:59.44 | peterS | ahhh |
| 09:59.52 | peterS | anyway, what type of graphics card? |
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| 10:00.36 | terrencevak | peterS: It's an ati-compatible, 1X/2X |
| 10:00.49 | peterS | terrencevak: so select the "ati" driver |
| 10:00.50 | kevix | terrencevak, and by screen reader, would that imply that you are visually impaired? |
| 10:01.01 | SpamHog | stree = supertree |
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| 10:01.31 | terrencevak | kevix: Yes, I am. |
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| 10:01.52 | terrencevak | peterS: Oh! I didn't see the ati one. |
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| 10:02.14 | kevix | terrencevak, cool. you are the 2nd or 3rd person I have meet. the others I met on debian-user list. |
| 10:02.18 | peterS | terrencevak: the "ati" driver loads sub-drivers that cover the various types of ATI hardware. so although I assume you have a radeon of some sort, the 'ati' driver will also work if you have an older card type |
| 10:03.07 | terrencevak | peterS: Yeah, probably a good thing, especially since this box is 5 years old. |
| 10:03.11 | SpamHog | I wonder if marco's IRC client was on the top of the X I told him to kill... |
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| 10:03.28 | marco | SpamHog yes i read |
| 10:03.39 | marco | but the problem is in other pc |
| 10:03.46 | SpamHog | good |
| 10:03.46 | marco | SpamHog thanks very much |
| 10:03.49 | terrencevak | Should I use kernel frame-buffers or not? |
| 10:03.57 | peterS | terrencevak: probably not |
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| 10:05.11 | nomad_cz | Hi. Could anyone tell me how to read sysstat output ? Ie: 11:05:01 pgpgin/s pgpgout/s fault/s majflt/s |
| 10:05.11 | nomad_cz | 11:15:01 943.34 119.28 769.87 0.22 |
| 10:05.11 | nomad_cz | 11:25:01 1.80 49.99 238.96 0.00 |
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| 10:06.10 | kevix | nomad_cz, these are about memory useage |
| 10:06.40 | Guerin | nomad_cz: man sysstat |
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| 10:06.55 | nomad_cz | kevix: I see. And so many fault/s - does it mean I have bad memory or just a little of it ? |
| 10:07.10 | marco | SpamHog: sorry i can not use DCC |
| 10:07.12 | nomad_cz | Guerin: Thanks ;) |
| 10:07.30 | kevix | nomad_cz, not that kind of fault. its a cache thing. |
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| 10:08.09 | nomad_cz | kevix: To explain what happened - i started backup script and all system stopped responding :/ |
| 10:08.17 | marco | SpamHog: i cry! :( |
| 10:08.27 | marco | i resolved video problem i think |
| 10:08.38 | nomad_cz | kevix: all mails stayed in spool dir with timeout errors etc. |
| 10:08.42 | marco | but i have a problem with sound card :( |
| 10:08.46 | SpamHog | similar questions: what do the cpu load numbers mean that pop up in tload, top etc.? I read some man pages but all they say they're "load"... What does 7.5 mean??? |
| 10:08.59 | nomad_cz | kevix: any idea what to do ? |
| 10:09.02 | kevix | nomad_cz, so the program eat your cpu. use 'top' to see what is happening. |
| 10:09.19 | nomad_cz | kevix: ok ;) |
| 10:09.19 | SpamHog | marco: see my other coordinates on http://filippo.ru.ru |
| 10:09.26 | marco | i have the same problems |
| 10:09.30 | Guerin | !load |
| 10:09.45 | Guerin | SpamHog: it means there are 7.5 processes waiting for cpu time |
| 10:09.53 | SpamHog | ah!!! |
| 10:10.09 | nomad_cz | kevix: but once again - fault/s in sar -B does not mean hw trouble, ok ? |
| 10:10.23 | kevix | Guerin, how do you have 1/2 of a process! x-) |
| 10:10.32 | SpamHog | very bad... |
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| 10:10.41 | Guerin | kevix: over time. |
| 10:10.42 | kreep- | how do mute the bell in bash, set bell-style none in /etc/termcap or ~/.bashrc doesn`t do anything |
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| 10:10.51 | Guerin | !bell |
| 10:10.52 | dpkg | [bell] "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or just remove emacs and install vim |
| 10:11.16 | kevix | nomad_cz, if the machine reboot or programs die or a compile dies ... look for bad mem or mb. |
| 10:11.38 | bibe | kevix : 7.5/7.5/7.5 processes it's the mean number of waiting processes during the last minute/5 minutes/15 minutes |
| 10:11.55 | bitlogic | I have a problem on booting kernel 2.6 using grub. Can someone help me? |
| 10:12.06 | bibe | bitlogic : what kind of problem? |
| 10:12.09 | Guerin | 7.5 typically means your box is under really high load, or some processes are waiting to die |
| 10:12.12 | kevix | bitlogic, use lilo ! |
| 10:12.17 | Guerin | kevix: wtf |
| 10:12.25 | nomad_cz | kevix: doesnt seems to be that kind of problem. ok. thanks .... |
| 10:12.31 | nomad_cz | bye ... |
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| 10:12.35 | Guerin | kevix: lilo offers no advantages over grub. |
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| 10:13.18 | Alpha1 | forgive my ignorance, by why are there only tarballs listed on packages.debian.org and not .deb files? |
| 10:13.22 | kevix | Guerin, yes. a boot loader is a bootloader. |
| 10:13.26 | Alpha1 | s/by/but/g |
| 10:13.45 | Guerin | Alpha1: you are mistaken. |
| 10:13.45 | seb_ | hi, little question : when i do /etc/init.d/networking restart > 2&1 i have unwanted messages in console "...Full duplex...". When stopping syslogd i always have this messages...Anyone knows how to disable this please ? |
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| 10:13.54 | Alpha1 | I am? |
| 10:14.10 | Guerin | kevix: some bootloaders are better than others; lilo is generally not better than grub. |
| 10:14.17 | bitlogic | bibe, I was using grub with kernel 2.6 without no problems, but after some problems (fs) on my system, which I solve, I can't boot kernel 2.6, only kernel 2.4 |
| 10:14.34 | bitlogic | did some someone had the same problem? |
| 10:14.34 | Guerin | seb_: /msg dpkg klogd |
| 10:14.39 | peterS | bitlogic: what's the failure mode? what does it do wrong? |
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| 10:14.45 | Guerin | bitlogic: what happen? |
| 10:14.47 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:14.54 | Guerin | peterS is more eloquent |
| 10:14.55 | seb_ | Guerin : ok i try thx |
| 10:15.03 | peterS | bitlogic: I'm guessing either the kernel or the initrd image became corrupt somehow.... |
| 10:15.59 | smartbhai | hi whats the most easiest way to convert a pdf to txt ... |
| 10:16.12 | bibe | bitlogic : peterS is right, try 'apt-get install --reinstall kernel-image-2.6-<whatever>' |
| 10:16.26 | peterS | smartbhai: xpdf-utils includes a program 'pdftotext' |
| 10:16.30 | Guerin | smartbhai: pdftotext |
| 10:16.35 | paivakil | smartbhai: pdftotext |
| 10:16.47 | smartbhai | gee thanx all |
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| 10:16.59 | seb_ | guerin : already installed... same problem with it, and syslogd and klogd stopped |
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| 10:17.08 | peterS | smartbhai: did we mention pdftot...oh yeah. I guess we did. |
| 10:17.08 | zimnyx | does debian supports modern UPS? (i know it does, but need to be sure) |
| 10:17.15 | bitlogic | peterS, the problem is exactly that one, I doesn't give any error! |
| 10:17.31 | peterS | zimnyx: a matter of whether the linux kernel does. userspace side of things should be fine on debian |
| 10:17.39 | bitlogic | bibe, I already did that and the problem remains |
| 10:17.49 | Guerin | zimnyx: you know it does. |
| 10:17.56 | kevix | zimnyx, check out the 'nut' package. |
| 10:18.04 | peterS | zimnyx: modern UPS use USB HID for communicating, which modern kernels support fine, and I *think* userspace tools can talk to most models without problem |
| 10:18.09 | bitlogic | I googled around and I found this exact problem on other people but without solution |
| 10:18.15 | darsie | uw-imapd says 'NO LOGIN failed' when I 'login user password'. |
| 10:18.27 | Guerin | darsie: read logs |
| 10:18.32 | darsie | mhm |
| 10:18.33 | zimnyx | thanks guys. |
| 10:18.40 | bitlogic | when I select the option, it was supposed to say uncompressing linux .... but doen't do nothing |
| 10:18.48 | bitlogic | It simply hangs on boot |
| 10:19.12 | bitlogic | I already installed GRUB on MBR again and the problem remains |
| 10:19.32 | Guerin | bitlogic: any other 2.6 kernels work? |
| 10:19.34 | bibe | bitlogic : it seems there are problems reading the initrd itselg |
| 10:19.37 | kevix | bitlogic, what has changed? did you upgrade the kernel? change menu.lst or ... |
| 10:19.45 | bibe | s/g$/f/ |
| 10:19.48 | Guerin | yeah, I blame initrd |
| 10:19.50 | charolastra | try lilo |
| 10:19.54 | Guerin | enough space on /boot? |
| 10:20.03 | bitlogic | any other 2.6 doesn't work |
| 10:20.04 | peterS | it won't be the initrd at fault |
| 10:20.11 | peterS | not if the message about uncompressing linux doesn't even pop up |
| 10:20.19 | bitlogic | And II didn't upgrade any kernel |
| 10:20.20 | Guerin | oh, right |
| 10:20.29 | Guerin | it's the bzimage or something prior |
| 10:20.42 | bibe | bitlogic : what filesystem is your /boot (or /) partition using? |
| 10:20.53 | kevix | bitlogic, so grub has a problem and you changed nothing on your computer? |
| 10:21.00 | seb_ | another idea about my console message problem ? |
| 10:21.10 | Guerin | seb_: close eyes |
| 10:21.19 | darsie | Oct 11 12:19:27 bksys imapd[9462]: Login disabled user=bernhard auth=bernhard host=bernhard.bksys.at [192.168.0.2] |
| 10:21.34 | darsie | could this be a hosts.allow/deny issue? |
| 10:21.48 | bitlogic | the only change was that the fs (ext3) was messed, /boot and /, and I had to correct it using e2fsck, booting from an instalation CD |
| 10:21.50 | seb_ | Guerin : lol, the pb is i'm scripting with networking restart and messages aren't welcome :) |
| 10:22.05 | darsie | there is only comments in hosts.allow/deny |
| 10:22.22 | bitlogic | after that it didn't boot anymore, using 2.6 |
| 10:22.30 | Guerin | darsie: doubtful. If the host was denied, it wouldn't even connect |
| 10:22.40 | darsie | or a pam thing? |
| 10:23.03 | Guerin | bitlogic: purge and reainstall the kernel |
| 10:23.04 | kevix | bitlogic, maybe 'reinstall' kernel image and re-run grub? |
| 10:23.05 | jm_ | !tell seb_ -about printk console |
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| 10:23.26 | kevix | bitlogic, and check symlinks? |
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| 10:23.42 | bitlogic | the kernel I already reinstal but the grub I didn't |
| 10:23.57 | Guerin | bitlogic: did you purge the kernel before reinstalling? |
| 10:23.58 | peterS | bitlogic: yeah, try that, not that it *should* make a difference |
| 10:24.20 | bibe | bitlogic : do you use a separate /boot partition? then you can copy all its content (except 2.6 kernels' related files) on the / partition, unmount /boot, format it, restore the content and reinstall kernel 2.6 |
| 10:24.34 | darsie | an old uw-imapd used to work but now I upgraded due to a DSA. |
| 10:24.45 | bitlogic | kevix, which symlinks, grub doesn't need them, I think! |
| 10:24.55 | kevix | bibe, good idea. |
| 10:25.11 | bibe | kevix : thanks |
| 10:25.19 | bitlogic | Guerin, I didn't understand, I purged the kernel after the problem |
| 10:25.25 | Guerin | bitlogic: ok. |
| 10:25.39 | peterS | bitlogic: depending on your grub configuration it can make life easier to have a /boot/boot -> . symlink. the idea is that '/boot/grub' exists relative to both the root directory and relative to the root of the /boot partition |
| 10:25.46 | kevix | bitlogic, I have /boot/vmlinuz-..... linked to /vmlinuz |
| 10:26.00 | bitlogic | bibe, I really have a separate partition for boot |
| 10:26.15 | terrencevak | How do I tell from the edid info what resolution I should use? |
| 10:26.31 | bitlogic | kevix, on grub? You don't need it, you map it on menu.1st |
| 10:26.41 | peterS | terrencevak: you can select various resolutions and you can change resolution using a gnome or kde applet built for the purpose |
| 10:27.11 | bitlogic | peterS, good idea, I'll try that |
| 10:27.12 | peterS | terrencevak: I don't know what kde has but last I saw the gnome thing it was something in the settings menu, something about resolution and refresh rates |
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| 10:27.51 | terrencevak | Hmm... OK. Then perhaps my problem is specifically in my console, because it's only showing half the screen. |
| 10:27.56 | bibe | bitlogic : so issue a 'cp -a /boot /boot_backup; umount /boot; mke2fs /boot; mount /boot; cp -a /boot_backup/* /boot/; apt-get remove --purge kernel-image-2.6-<whatever>; apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-<whatever>', reboot and see what happens |
| 10:28.08 | kevix | terrencevak, on gnome I use gnome-display-properties |
| 10:28.19 | peterS | bibe: not mke2fs /boot, you silly (: |
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| 10:28.47 | bibe | peterS : after having umounted it? Why? |
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| 10:28.57 | peterS | bibe: you mke2fs a device, not a directory |
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| 10:29.12 | bibe | peterS : sure... sorry bitlogic |
| 10:29.28 | bibe | bitlogic : don't mke2fs /boot |
| 10:29.31 | terrencevak | kevix: Hmm. OK, will see if I can find that. At the moment I'll be lucky to see the pointer. |
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| 10:29.39 | peterS | well, not that it'd work anyway, so no harm done |
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| 10:30.29 | bibe | bitlogic : and remember to issue a 'grub-install /dev/hda' before rebooting |
| 10:30.44 | bitlogic | bibe, ok |
| 10:30.52 | peterS | bibe: well, if you reinstall grub after the reformat, it'll do the grub-install for you, right? |
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| 10:31.21 | bibe | peterS : sure, but there's no need to reinstall it |
| 10:31.27 | kevix | terrencevak, the 'xrandr' command may be of interest. |
| 10:31.45 | peterS | bibe: there's no need *if* the filesystem was not corrupted and thus your files got copied off and back on correctly |
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| 10:31.57 | bibe | peterS : you're right |
| 10:32.00 | peterS | bibe: but the whole point of the mkfs exercise was the idea that the filesystem *could* have had something wrong with it |
| 10:32.17 | terrencevak | kevix OK... so I need to figure out how to run that. |
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| 10:32.36 | kevix | peterS, but isn't the current theory that there IS fS corruption somewheres? |
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| 10:32.48 | peterS | yes. |
| 10:33.01 | peterS | it's a strange situation all around. grub shouldn't boot some kernels but fail others. |
| 10:33.11 | bibe | peterS : yes, I thought grub files were ok because he/she can boot any 2.4 kernel |
| 10:33.26 | peterS | right, you'd think. still, aptitude install --reinstall grub does no harm |
| 10:34.07 | terrencevak | kevix: What coes xrandr do? |
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| 10:34.20 | terrencevak | kevix: Er, does |
| 10:34.27 | peterS | terrencevak: lets you switch resolutions |
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| 10:35.15 | peterS | terrencevak: 'randr' is really "R-and-R" meaning, in practical terms, resolution and refresh |
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| 10:35.28 | Guerin | rotate and resize |
| 10:35.47 | peterS | well, I know that's technically what it means, but nobody seems to care about implementating rotation |
| 10:35.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:35.57 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:36.04 | Guerin | unsurprisingly |
| 10:36.11 | peterS | it's theoretically useful for laptops hooked up to projectors |
| 10:36.19 | Guerin | i mean, it might be good for someone who had to use their computer lying on one side |
| 10:36.27 | peterS | but amazingly, all projectors less than 6 years old support their own rotation / mirroring |
| 10:36.29 | Guerin | tablet pcs |
| 10:36.32 | Guerin | etc. |
| 10:36.40 | kevix | terrencevak, there is also 'xvidtune --help'. its a command (or gui tool) to switch video modes. |
| 10:37.01 | Guerin | i read a thing which advocated screens taller than wide |
| 10:37.10 | peterS | kevix: bah, don't make him use xvidtune -next and xvidtune -prev, if xrandr or the gnome/kde equivalents are available (: |
| 10:37.44 | terrencevak | peters: Hmm, OK. I can't see the pointer though; I was hoping gnopernicus would start pitching in and actually telling me something, but I seem to have lost that dialog box where I could enable assistive technology support. |
| 10:37.47 | kevix | peterS, its all about the freedom x-) |
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| 10:38.30 | peterS | terrencevak: well, you can use 'xvidtune -next' to cycle through video modes one by one, or you can hit ctrl-alt-+ on your keyboard, where + is the key on your numeric keypad |
| 10:39.30 | kevix | Guerin, eons ago, I longed for a 'full page display for my mac' 8 1/2 x 11 monitor. it was taller than wide. |
| 10:39.57 | terrencevak | peters ctrl-alt-+ didn't do anything. |
| 10:40.24 | peterS | terrencevak: you had the right + key? |
| 10:40.28 | Guerin | kevix: yeah, it makes sense to me, for typesetting/grphdes, etc |
| 10:41.26 | terrencevak | peters: The numpad one, yes. |
| 10:41.55 | peterS | terrencevak: so you should be able to do the same with the command 'xvidtune -next'. if you can get a terminal window, try that |
| 10:42.27 | terrencevak | peters: But the mouse is necessary for that, isn't it? And I can't find my pointer. |
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| 10:43.16 | peterS | terrencevak: depending on your window manager or desktop environment, you may be able to spawn a terminal window without seeing the mouse |
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| 10:44.18 | terrencevak | peterS: How would I do that? |
| 10:44.33 | peterS | terrencevak: depends on your window manager or desktop environment |
| 10:45.02 | terrencevak | peterS: My X window shows me 6 options, and I can't seem to arrow through any of them. |
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| 10:45.19 | Guerin | in kde, alt+f2 runs gets you a run box |
| 10:45.28 | ClamIAm | are the xorg backports for sarge finnicky? |
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| 10:45.36 | peterS | terrencevak: when you did the dpkg-reconfigure for the X server, did you select just one resolution, or several? if you only selected one, you will only have one to choose from now. |
| 10:45.36 | Guerin | probably alt+fsomething else gets you a terminal |
| 10:45.46 | Guerin | ClamIAm: probably. |
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| 10:46.11 | kevix | time to go... see you in 20 hours. |
| 10:46.11 | ClamIAm | Guerin, heh |
| 10:46.13 | terrencevak | peterS: Oh. Yeah, I think I just selected 1 resolution. |
| 10:46.29 | ClamIAm | yay my kernel is done |
| 10:46.53 | peterS | terrencevak: then this thing about xrandr and xvidtune -next is pointless. xvidtune may be of some help but that's kind of hard to fiddle with if you can't see the screen very well |
| 10:47.22 | peterS | terrencevak: also, saving the xvidtune data for actual use with the X server is much easier said than done (it's easy enough for me to do, but not at all easy to explain to someone else) |
| 10:47.24 | OliverGTK | hello, while ./configure I have some problem , so configure cant find some libs, but thay exist ! Does somebody have expirience with that ? I looked in "configure" but I dont understand a lot, so I dont know what to change in configure file ? |
| 10:47.29 | kreep- | !bell |
| 10:47.29 | dpkg | i guess bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or just remove emacs and install vim |
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| 10:48.04 | terrencevak | That's weird! my mouse is stuck in the corner! It works, but the pointer's stuck. |
| 10:48.05 | peterS | OliverGTK: you want -dev packages corresponding to the libraries you need. for example, if you need the ncurses library, the package to install is libncurses5-dev. |
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| 10:48.14 | kevix | peterS, you can go to the console and type 'xterm -display :0.0' |
| 10:48.52 | peterS | kevix: you can, but that doesn't always help either. because you may not have keyboard focus in the terminal. it's all pretty annoying |
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| 10:50.13 | OliverGTK | peterS but I installed from source (*.tar.gz) |
| 10:50.21 | peterS | OliverGTK: that sucks then |
| 10:50.41 | peterS | why did you do that? |
| 10:50.55 | terrencevak | Huh? |
| 10:51.00 | OliverGTK | because I cant find that DEB pacjage |
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| 10:51.40 | Gnea | OliverGTK: apt-cache search <libname> dev |
| 10:51.42 | peterS | OliverGTK: I don't think I can help you. you haven't even said *what* the libraries are that you are looking for and that you installed from source |
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| 10:53.05 | OliverGTK | peterS I am looking for libuuid and I find that in some e2fsprogs source pacjage and I installed that, so I have that libuuid.so.1 lib in lib dir |
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| 10:53.35 | terrencevak | peters: Any idea why my pointer might get stuck up in the corner? I've never seen that before. |
| 10:53.44 | peterS | OliverGTK: you could have just installed uuid-dev |
| 10:54.13 | peterS | terrencevak: mismatched mouse protocol will do that, for one thing. does your mouse still respond correctly on the text console? |
| 10:54.16 | OliverGTK | ok, I will try that, but I have one more package to satisfy dependeces , and that is a52dec |
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| 10:54.46 | peterS | OliverGTK: what does "apt-cache search a52dec" tell you? |
| 10:54.51 | terrencevak | peters: No, it's only having effect on the top line. |
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| 10:55.06 | peterS | OliverGTK: for that matter, what does "apt-cache search libuuid" tell you? |
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| 10:55.38 | OliverGTK | peterS it tells me : uuid-dev |
| 10:55.42 | peterS | yep |
| 10:55.56 | tombs | could someone tell me please why some iso cds has 108Mb and others 640Mb ? |
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| 10:56.07 | peterS | now you know how to find development libraries. you can do 'apt-cache search uuid dev' or 'apt-cache search ncurses dev' or whatever, and it'll usually find what you need |
| 10:56.20 | eadz | Q: How can I forward all the email in an MBOX file to an email address? |
| 10:56.26 | RichiH | tombs: because there is a different amount of data on them? |
| 10:56.30 | EdLin | tombs: the smaller ones have less on them |
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| 10:56.39 | peterS | tombs: some CDs have 640 MB of information on them and others have 108 MB of information. I don't understand the question exactly |
| 10:56.45 | RichiH | eadz: can't you just copy the mbox to your new home dir? |
| 10:56.55 | tombs | No, I mean the sarge cd |
| 10:56.58 | eadz | RichiH: no, different machine.. |
| 10:56.58 | OliverGTK | peterS I installed that , and I run ./configure again but it tells me same error, that cant fint libuuid and liba52dec |
| 10:57.01 | tombs | on the mirrors |
| 10:57.16 | tombs | I believe the 108Mb iso is only a basic system, right? |
| 10:57.21 | Guerin | tombs: right. |
| 10:57.25 | peterS | OliverGTK: then you shall have to read config.log and figure out what it is looking for and why it can't find it |
| 10:57.39 | EdLin | tombs: no, the 108MB CD contains the basics, but pulls in more over the net. |
| 10:57.43 | OliverGTK | ok, I will try that too |
| 10:57.46 | fireba11 | tombs: yes .. it's a netinstall small enough to fit on a small CD |
| 10:57.58 | EdLin | !d-i tombs |
| 10:57.59 | dpkg | tombs, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:58.11 | tombs | So, if I download the one with 640Mb, my system will be with more packages |
| 10:58.18 | bitlogic | bibe, peterS , I just execute your ideas but the problem remains |
| 10:58.30 | LoRe | http://pastebin.com/389963 somebody knows why ps cannot resolv the user name of the user id 111 ? |
| 10:58.31 | epsilon | how do I check, if ip_conntrack_ftp support is compiled in the kernel? |
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| 10:58.32 | bitlogic | I even reinstalled grub without luck |
| 10:58.33 | peterS | tombs: if you download 640 MB, you will not have to download quite as much later, when you are installing packages on your system |
| 10:58.36 | EdLin | tombs: no, it will be able to acess more packages without the net, it won't install more than the netinst at first. |
| 10:58.37 | peterS | tombs: that's the main idea |
| 10:58.45 | new2linux | Hi gays...I am running debian3.1... I have a sound card problem...every time I reastarted my machine a ibm thinkpad x31, the permission is set back to its default which is rw for root only for /dev/dsp device ....so I have to give back permission to others every time I restarted it...any clues please... |
| 10:59.11 | Gnea | new2linux: add yourself to the audio group - vigr |
| 10:59.12 | Guerin | i blame udev |
| 10:59.16 | tombs | ok, I understood...thanx guys |
| 10:59.23 | xelam | new2linux: I like how you ask only the gay people here :0 |
| 10:59.25 | Guerin | vigr is unnecessary |
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| 10:59.46 | Guerin | adduser username audio && newgrp audio |
| 10:59.47 | peterS | Guerin: well, he probably also misunderstands the situation and thinks mode 666 is needed instead of mode 660 |
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| 10:59.53 | Guerin | right |
| 10:59.55 | Gnea | oh snap |
| 10:59.58 | Gnea | i didn't even see that |
| 11:00.00 | M23 | for using java apps, should I use the sun Java VM or will the jamvm work okay? |
| 11:00.10 | Guerin | M23: depends on the app |
| 11:00.18 | M23 | azureus |
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| 11:00.34 | new2linux | xelam: sorry man I meant guys...I was not very sure on how to spell it....I am not an english native |
| 11:00.39 | sH4 | ' 'Hi |
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| 11:00.43 | fireba11 | xelam: that's why i wasn't answering ;-) |
| 11:00.44 | Guerin | M23: i believe azureus works with gcj |
| 11:00.57 | Guerin | but honestly ... azureus ... WHY? |
| 11:01.16 | bitlogic | bibe and peterS , any more ideas? |
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| 11:01.34 | new2linux | wont happen again |
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| 11:01.52 | M23 | Guerin, cause it works for me. |
| 11:02.07 | M23 | recomend me something else? |
| 11:02.28 | Guerin | M23: rtorrent |
| 11:02.33 | antgel | M23: bittornado |
| 11:02.46 | Guerin | M23: won't give your ram and cpu such a workout |
| 11:03.28 | petemc | azureus is good for getting individual files from torrents, things like that |
| 11:03.35 | new2linux | xelam: what is virg?? please |
| 11:03.46 | terrencevak | peters: Basically, in console mode, whenever I move the mouse, it'll select or unselect parts of that very top line. |
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| 11:04.57 | peterS | terrencevak: I wonder if it's a protocol mismatch ... or a physically faulty mouse |
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| 11:05.11 | peterS | terrencevak: hard to really know without actually *seeing* the effect |
| 11:05.30 | darsie | Guerin: uw-imapd works with SSL. |
| 11:05.36 | terrencevak | peters: Oh lovely! A dead battery just as I'm starting to get the darn thing moving! |
| 11:06.08 | peterS | terrencevak: really? a dead cordless mouse battery? so I could be right about the weirdness actually being a "hardware problem" |
| 11:06.22 | Guerin | darsie: do you have a directive danying login to non-encrypted users? |
| 11:06.32 | terrencevak | peters: Though the little light comes on whenever I move it, and stays consistent until I quit. |
| 11:06.37 | darsie | Guerin: not that I know of. |
| 11:06.47 | Guerin | !start a bittorrent war is <reply> (azureus|bittornado|ABC|rtorrent|bittorrent mainline) (is so bloated!|has no useful features!|crashes all the time!|is just crap, I can't believe you use it|corrupts data and kills puppies|is only useful for warez!) |
| 11:06.47 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 11:06.55 | Guerin | !start a bittorrent war |
| 11:06.55 | dpkg | rtorrent corrupts data and kills puppies |
| 11:06.58 | peterS | terrencevak: I don't have much experience with cordless mice, so I don't know whether this is considered normal |
| 11:07.09 | fireba11 | haha |
| 11:07.11 | BuzzBud | haha |
| 11:07.13 | bitlogic | bibe, next try, upgrade BIOS and on last I'll install LILO |
| 11:07.23 | Guerin | peterS: itym tailless mice |
| 11:07.32 | peterS | Guerin: see how they run |
| 11:07.39 | terrencevak | peters: I'm pretty sure it is. |
| 11:07.40 | Guerin | peterS: or not |
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| 11:07.54 | peterS | dead mice tell no tails |
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| 11:08.20 | fireba11 | peterS: even alive ones tell no tails ^^ |
| 11:08.35 | fireba11 | peterS: not even tales :-D |
| 11:08.39 | LoRe | hmm... i think it's a bug in psutils |
| 11:08.41 | terrencevak | I think I'll stick to at least getting my console resolution back to normal for now and bug my brother for a new battery tomorrow. |
| 11:09.08 | terrencevak | peters: But how would I check the protocol mismatch thing? |
| 11:09.32 | peterS | terrencevak: if you have a working USB mouse sitting around, you can plug that in, load three kernel modules, restart X and that should work automatically |
| 11:09.47 | peterS | terrencevak: it's a PS/2 mouse with a scroll wheel, right? |
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| 11:10.00 | terrencevak | peters: Actually, this is my only mouse...yes, it is. |
| 11:10.21 | peterS | terrencevak: so in /etc/gpm.conf what does it say on the type= line? |
| 11:10.39 | peterS | terrencevak: it really *should* say type=exps2 or type=imps2 |
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| 11:11.02 | peterS | terrencevak: type=autops2 should also work, and type=ps2 will work but will not let you use your wheel in X |
| 11:11.36 | terrencevak | peters: It's autops2. |
| 11:12.21 | peterS | terrencevak: should be ok, but I sometimes don't know whether to trust those protocol autodetection algorithms. you could change it to type=exps2 so there's no chance of bad guesswork |
| 11:12.45 | terrencevak | And responsiveness is 12; should I put it higher or lower, or does it matter? |
| 11:12.58 | peterS | terrencevak: responsiveness doesn't matter much, it's a matter of personal taste |
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| 11:13.29 | peterS | terrencevak: anyway, type=autops2 should be reliable, almost the same algorithm is documented by Logitech in their devel kit, as the right way to figure out what kind of PS/2 mouse you have |
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| 11:13.57 | ClamIAm | compiled my first kernel :D |
| 11:15.53 | ClamIAm | and it works |
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| 11:16.59 | epsilon | wait until you notice you forgot something :D |
| 11:17.10 | peterS | terrencevak: well, I'm going to bed. I originally thought I might get *extra* sleep last night, now I have 5 1/2 hours left, which was not quite the plan (: right now my theory is that your mouse battery, or the sensor, is not behaving correctly. of course it could still be gpm's fault, that code is truly not pretty. see you later. |
| 11:17.14 | ClamIAm | haha, i was pretty safe |
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| 11:17.22 | terrencevak | peters I put it on imps2, and that works well in console. Now to test imps. |
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| 11:17.27 | monsieur_patate | hello |
| 11:17.38 | peterS | terrencevak: 'imps'? |
| 11:17.45 | terrencevak | peterS: Actually, when I put it on imps2, it works fine. |
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| 11:18.04 | peterS | terrencevak: right, imps2 and exps2 should both work fine. but then, so should autops2. |
| 11:19.00 | terrencevak | Now, does anyone know of a command to fix my console so it shows the whole screenful of text? |
| 11:19.23 | antgel | !vagueness |
| 11:19.24 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES IMPOTENCE! |
| 11:19.28 | antgel | eek |
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| 11:19.51 | Pixels- | impotence or importance? |
| 11:19.52 | Pixels- | lol |
| 11:20.01 | monsieur_patate | i c'ant find kernel in /install in the debian 3.1r0a Sarge IA64 CDs |
| 11:20.17 | positrix | i don't think impotence is much of an issue considering my track record with women. |
| 11:20.31 | Pixels- | lol |
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| 11:21.02 | M23 | !msg dpkg java |
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| 11:21.37 | EdLin | M23: /msg |
| 11:21.43 | M23 | oh yeah.... oops |
| 11:21.52 | M23 | one of those days |
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| 11:24.14 | antgel | monsieur_patate: you need to ask a proper question or go the channel for your native language |
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| 11:26.52 | monsieur_patate | I can't boot with the Debian IA64 CDs |
| 11:27.15 | EdLin | monsieur_patate: you're running an Itanium, right? |
| 11:27.30 | monsieur_patate | no, an opteron 150 |
| 11:27.44 | EdLin | monsieur_patate: then you don't want IA64, you want AMD64 |
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| 11:28.30 | EvilBastard | I want an AMD64! |
| 11:28.49 | EvilBastard | Anyone want to give me one? |
| 11:29.28 | monsieur_patate | i c'ant find AMD64 on the web site |
| 11:29.59 | JonJ | EvilBastard, why settle for just an AMD64? Dual Core AMD64 would be even more fun :D |
| 11:30.04 | EdLin | monsieur_patate: AMD64 wasn't ready in time for the sarge release |
| 11:30.35 | monsieur_patate | ok thank you very much |
| 11:30.36 | ClamIAm | get an 8-way opteron box |
| 11:30.37 | EvilBastard | yes it would but I think its easier to obtain when asking for a free one |
| 11:30.57 | ClamIAm | my brother has an amd64, but he only runs windows v_v |
| 11:31.01 | EvilBastard | har har' |
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| 11:32.06 | ICBlood | hi |
| 11:32.18 | EvilBastard | hello |
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| 11:34.03 | EvilBastard | I built a box with an amd64 in it and forgot to plug the cord for the cpu I thought I screwed it up when it booted to a black screen |
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| 11:34.41 | terrencevak | Has anyone ever heard of a module called atk-bridge, and/or know where to get it? |
| 11:34.44 | EvilBastard | I almost crapped my pants |
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| 11:35.18 | coywolf | i got this: iptables v1.3.3: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Permission denied (you must be root) |
| 11:35.18 | coywolf | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 11:35.32 | coywolf | any idea? |
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| 11:35.40 | coywolf | 2.6.14-rc2-mm1 |
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| 11:36.45 | EvilBastard | I cant initialize it either I dont even get a message it just wont start so I dont use it |
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| 11:36.50 | debugger | hi |
| 11:36.58 | coywolf | EvilBastard, what's your iptables version? |
| 11:36.58 | EvilBastard | hello |
| 11:37.21 | EvilBastard | not sure |
| 11:37.34 | debugger | I just updated libc-client, and lsof shows stuff like " /usr/lib/libc-client.so.2002edebian.1.dpkg-new" what is that .dpkg-new thing? |
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| 11:37.54 | terrencevak | Also, if the program says it's looking for the registry, but can't find it. How do I fix that? |
| 11:38.03 | debugger | or better, does apt-get do any magic in the loaded .so files? |
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| 11:39.32 | N6REJ | I hope someone can help me. I'm trying to configure postfix for smtpd-auth & tls. And everything is going fine, except for now its asking me to give it a passphrase and I don't understand the significance of the passphrase. Is this something I'm going to be typing daiy? Only during maintence? never? what? |
| 11:41.09 | N6REJ | anyone? |
| 11:41.11 | EvilBastard | Debian hates my wireless card I think it has something personal against it |
| 11:41.12 | sep | N6REJ, whenever you start or restart postfix |
| 11:41.33 | sep | N6REJ, it's the passphrase for the key you made in order to unlock the certificate that you use in postfix |
| 11:41.54 | N6REJ | Sep: ok, this is the first time building the server.... so I don't even know which point I'm at yet. |
| 11:42.00 | N6REJ | I'm brand new to debian. |
| 11:42.16 | EvilBastard | its a good OS |
| 11:42.24 | debugger | N6REJ, that has nothing to do with debian ;) |
| 11:42.36 | terrencevak | OK, all, I'm givin' up for the night. |
| 11:42.38 | debugger | N6REJ, you could remove the passphrease from the TLS certificate. |
| 11:42.40 | N6REJ | Sep whats going to happen when the server reboots is it going to ask me for the passphrase? That won't be good. |
| 11:42.47 | sep | N6REJ, exactly |
| 11:42.49 | N6REJ | EvilBastard: what nic? |
| 11:42.56 | EvilBastard | dlink |
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| 11:43.14 | N6REJ | EvilBastard: what chipset? |
| 11:43.15 | EvilBastard | its on a laptop |
| 11:43.16 | sep | N6REJ, that's why you either mix the key and cert into a single pem file. or you use a passphreaseless key |
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| 11:43.53 | N6REJ | Sep my server is nat'd any viable reeason to not leave it blank? |
| 11:43.54 | EvilBastard | i have other things to deal with so I just use the hardline |
| 11:44.11 | EvilBastard | Debian hates my laptop |
| 11:44.16 | N6REJ | EvilBastard: it may be an easy fix is why I ask. |
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| 11:44.45 | wers | EvilBastard.. what chipset is the nic? |
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| 11:45.16 | N6REJ | debugger: so should I just hit <enter> for now? |
| 11:45.17 | sep | N6REJ, you basicaly have to. and make sure the permisions are restrictive on the key |
| 11:45.20 | EvilBastard | not sure what you mean by what chipset is the nic |
| 11:45.44 | epsilon | how do I check, if ip_conntrack_ftp support is compiled in the kernel? |
| 11:45.47 | wers | EvilBastard, the name of the card? |
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| 11:45.55 | EvilBastard | I shall return |
| 11:46.01 | debugger | N6REJ, If I were you, I would remove the pass. (and make sure the certificate can only be read by the application user) |
| 11:46.06 | wers | EvilBastard.. Orinoco?, ipw2200? |
| 11:46.50 | N6REJ | debugger: its sitting at the command prompt right now asking me for the passphrase.. I'm still in the configuration stage. |
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| 11:47.12 | N6REJ | debugger: that is its asking what I would like the passphrase to be. |
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| 11:47.51 | EvilBastard | d-dlink wl-650+ <--is that what youre asking? |
| 11:48.01 | coywolf | the lastest iptables br0ken? |
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| 11:48.16 | N6REJ | EvilBastard: hang on I'll go look and see if I can find the chipset for ya. |
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| 11:48.21 | wers | Evilbastard.. yes,, thats it.. u should build the acx_pci module.. |
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| 11:48.33 | N6REJ | nm |
| 11:48.34 | N6REJ | lol |
| 11:48.43 | EvilBastard | any man for that? |
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| 11:48.57 | wers | EvilBastard: http://stef.tvk.rwth-aachen.de/~nazgul/debian/DWL-650+_Howto.html |
| 11:49.03 | EvilBastard | thanks |
| 11:49.08 | wers | np |
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| 11:49.26 | sep | N6REJ, this is where you leave it blank |
| 11:49.35 | N6REJ | Sep: ok, great.. ty. |
| 11:49.53 | N6REJ | 15971:error:28069065:lib(40):UI_set_result:result too small:ui_lib.c:847:You must type in 4 to 8191 characters |
| 11:49.57 | N6REJ | *sigh* |
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| 11:52.03 | wers | anyone know of a pascal compiler included in sarge? |
| 11:52.17 | sep | N6REJ, http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/#id2454781 |
| 11:52.41 | bibe | N6REJ : simply press <enter>, and use no passphrase as debugger suggests you |
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| 11:52.48 | oskie | I want to install debian from USB flash mem (boot from USB). is there any prepared files that I can copy to the flash mem or a program that will prepare it? |
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| 11:54.19 | coywolf | how to down grade a software foo-1.3 to foo-1.2? |
| 11:54.45 | wers | backports?' |
| 11:54.50 | coywolf | yeah |
| 11:54.59 | streuner | coywolf: dpkg -i <package> |
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| 11:55.07 | coywolf | wers, the new version seems broken, so ... |
| 11:55.53 | wers | remove it and install from an older .deb? |
| 11:56.06 | harfooz | hi all. I have an all Sarge system. I want to run a Perl script based on Finance::Bank::Wachovia. I am being asked about "Which OpenSSL build path do you want to link against?" What is the proper answer to this question? |
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| 11:56.51 | coywolf | wers, where to find the old one? |
| 11:57.03 | Shadur | harfooz: See if their documentation is a little more specific in what the hell they're talking about. |
| 11:57.13 | wers | coywolf... now that, i dont know. ill check my "archives" |
| 11:57.32 | paivakil | if anybody has selinux installed, mind sending the /usr/share/doc/libselinux/copyright file to paivakil at gmail dot com ? |
| 11:57.33 | harfooz | No OpenSSL installation found, usually in /usr/local/openssl |
| 11:57.43 | Shadur | I *think* they're referring to the openssl binary itself. At least I'd hope so because runtime is a little bit late to worry about compiling. |
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| 11:58.10 | Shadur | harfooz: Try /usr/lib/ssl |
| 11:58.17 | harfooz | I have tried /usr/bin/openssl and got an error indicating that /usr/bin/openssl could not be found. |
| 11:58.27 | harfooz | Will try that now Shadur |
| 11:58.37 | RichiH | what is the correct way to have more than one private ssh key? cat foo >> id_dsa? |
| 11:58.55 | Shadur | RichiH: Have separate files for each key |
| 11:59.01 | coywolf | wers, i can't find a older version |
| 11:59.08 | RichiH | Shadur: what names do i give them so ssh will use them? |
| 11:59.14 | EvilBastard | I have a joke |
| 11:59.19 | antgel | i'm fuming. we just quoted a great price for a shorewall / ipsec / clamav / spamassassin box. called the potential customer to chase. he asked sombody else who said it's massive overkill, and they didn't need it. what can one do in the face of such cluelessness? they currently have the one windows server doing everything including acting as their router |
| 11:59.35 | EvilBastard | Why do Linux users spend so much time on their computers? |
| 11:59.41 | antgel | RichiH: whatever names you want |
| 11:59.42 | N6REJ | thanks guys, I'll try those things.. be back if I have any more questions |
| 11:59.42 | wers | coywolf im looking to |
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| 11:59.48 | EvilBastard | error: can not continue the joke |
| 11:59.53 | EvilBastard | ha ha |
| 12:00.09 | Shadur | EvilBastard: ENOINT, evidently. |
| 12:00.10 | coywolf | wers, the debian site only has the latest |
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| 12:00.33 | EvilBastard | ENOINT? |
| 12:00.43 | coywolf | wers, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iptables/ |
| 12:01.08 | RichiH | antgel: ah, so it autodetects. neat |
| 12:01.09 | Shadur | EvilBastard: NO INTelligence found in would-be comedian. |
| 12:01.21 | antgel | RichiH: i didn't say that |
| 12:01.29 | EvilBastard | har har |
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| 12:01.41 | jc_ | Good Morning for all |
| 12:01.48 | EvilBastard | never said the joke was a good one |
| 12:01.56 | Merlin-NSSP | good morning :) |
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| 12:01.57 | RichiH | antgel: so i pass it a list? |
| 12:02.01 | Shadur | EvilBastard: No kidding. I was funnier than you were, and I wasn't even joking. |
| 12:02.05 | EvilBastard | I thought it was funny |
| 12:02.14 | antgel | RichiH: i have no idea what you are trying to do |
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| 12:02.39 | wers | coywolf cant find either.. sorry |
| 12:02.49 | jc_ | What's the best software for IDS ? |
| 12:03.07 | antgel | the former Conservative Party leader? |
| 12:03.13 | RichiH | antgel: i have a current id_dsa key which i still need to use. but i want to create a new key, too. so i need ssh to decide which key to use on the fly, so to speak |
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| 12:03.34 | antgel | RichiH: have you read the manpages? |
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| 12:04.29 | RichiH | antgel: tbh, no. will do :) |
| 12:04.36 | ABRAXAS77 | hi |
| 12:04.41 | ABRAXAS77 | is there any ircop here? |
| 12:04.42 | Merlin-NSSP | jc : ive always had good luck with snort |
| 12:04.50 | antgel | RichiH: it was almost a rhetorical question, i knew you hadn't :) |
| 12:05.00 | antgel | ABRAXAS77: #freenode |
| 12:05.09 | ABRAXAS77 | thank u Anders |
| 12:05.12 | ABRAXAS77 | antgel sorry |
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| 12:07.13 | wers_ | mo1991 any luck with nicotine? |
| 12:07.17 | EvilBastard | ok I have to go now try not to miss me and dont cry I shall return |
| 12:07.50 | RichiH | ABRAXAS77: what do you need? |
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| 12:08.16 | RichiH | ABRAXAS77: you can /msg me or ask in #freenode, what you prefer |
| 12:08.37 | RichiH | antgel: yah, well, i am busy and *sigh* forgot best practices.. |
| 12:09.13 | RichiH | ABRAXAS77: also, /stats p lists _available_ staffers |
| 12:09.19 | antgel | RichiH: no worries. a hint is to search for authorized_keys in man ssh |
| 12:10.05 | RichiH | antgel: no, i want to use two private keys from my machine. but -i and man ssh_config seem to hold what i need |
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| 12:10.49 | antgel | RichiH: *nod* i had it the other way around |
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| 12:11.51 | RichiH | antgel: well, that would be kinda trivial, nay? ;) |
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| 12:13.01 | mo1991 | where can I find a .deb for sarge of mldonkey? |
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| 12:13.27 | bibe | mo1991 : have you tried www.apt-get.org? |
| 12:13.42 | wers_ | mo1991 there are several. |
| 12:13.52 | wers_ | mo1991 apt-cache search donkey |
| 12:14.26 | wers_ | mo1991.. kmldonkey is ok. |
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| 12:16.21 | mo1991 | wers_ are all of these unstable? |
| 12:16.26 | ClamIAm | what's the best way to get prism wireless cards working in debian? should i compile linux-wlan-ng from source? |
| 12:16.50 | wers_ | mo1991 all you find when apt-cache searching is available in your dist. |
| 12:16.52 | Ronin | mo1991: no im on sarge and i have them listed as well |
| 12:17.07 | mo1991 | wers_ I need the mldonkey-server and mldonkey-gui in order to run kmldonkey correct |
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| 12:17.35 | mo1991 | Ronin - you have them listed in the stable - main section? |
| 12:17.58 | zimnyx | will that UPS be sufficient to power two boxes without monitors? http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BK650EI&ISOCountryCode=gb |
| 12:18.25 | zimnyx | it's usb port, so i can use it under linux. |
| 12:18.35 | wers_ | mo1991 just apt-get it and you should get all u need. |
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| 12:19.41 | mo1991 | wers - I do not have mldonkey-server or mldonkey-gui listed in my package list |
| 12:19.56 | mo1991 | only have apt set to download from stable - main, nonfree, contrib |
| 12:20.02 | mo1991 | what am I doing wrong here? |
| 12:20.20 | wers_ | mo1991 not sure...? |
| 12:20.33 | mo1991 | wers_ I only see these when I add testing or unstable |
| 12:20.41 | mo1991 | I do not believe mldonkey is in stable??? |
| 12:20.53 | zimnyx | mo1991: pool/main/m/mldonkey/mldonkey-server_2.5.28.1-1_i386.deb |
| 12:20.57 | zimnyx | for Sid |
| 12:21.05 | linuxfreck | zimnyx: if you don't have huge amounts of harddisks or 3d rendering running, you should get like 10-15 minutes with new batteries |
| 12:21.25 | liable | !info mldonkey-server sarge |
| 12:21.28 | mo1991 | zimnyx - this is unstable correct? |
| 12:21.39 | mo1991 | !info mldonkey-server sarge |
| 12:21.42 | liable | doesnt exist in sarge. |
| 12:21.48 | zimnyx | mo1991: yep, go to packages.debian.org and tyou can search in there |
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| 12:22.10 | wers_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.19 | mo1991 | so I should update all of the necessary packages when I download this from testing? |
| 12:22.32 | liable | !simple sid backport |
| 12:22.32 | zimnyx | linuxfreck: i got only one hd, on cd/box |
| 12:22.32 | dpkg | simple sid backport is, like, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 12:22.33 | mo1991 | as synaptic says to do |
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| 12:23.35 | mo1991 | liable - would you recommend that I install from testing or make a backported .deb? |
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| 12:24.26 | liable | mo1991: prolly pin it from testing would be better. either way shouldnt matter. |
| 12:25.00 | mo1991 | so just add the testing to /etc/apt/sources - install mldonkey then remove testing from apt sources? |
| 12:26.02 | liable | !tell mo1991 about pinning |
| 12:26.26 | fragonz | how can i remove all the files from a package |
| 12:26.45 | fireba11_grr | fragonz: : apt-get remove --purge |
| 12:26.45 | liable | purge it. |
| 12:26.51 | fragonz | ok |
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| 12:29.14 | mo1991 | liable - pinning would have the same result as adding testing - installing app - then removing testing correct? |
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| 12:29.21 | mo1991 | did read the man file |
| 12:30.06 | mo1991 | this is the only program which I need from testing at the moment so don't think pinning is necesaary |
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| 12:30.35 | rapsys | hy |
| 12:31.00 | rapsys | is their a way to specify the number of digit a number is displayed on ? |
| 12:31.09 | rapsys | like 1 is displayer 001 |
| 12:31.14 | rapsys | for example |
| 12:31.20 | bbrazil | rapsys: printf(1) |
| 12:31.27 | rapsys | in bash |
| 12:31.48 | liable | mo1991: essentially yes |
| 12:31.57 | liable | rapsys: #bash :) |
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| 12:34.57 | mjk64 | mwilson: Btw., I was right yesterday about the dependencies of the console-calculator "orpie": it should not depend on both X11- and non-X11-version of ocaml, the pkg maintainer said today. He said he'll upload a new version today, hooray! |
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| 12:37.50 | new2linux | "OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program."...it is the message I am getting when I try to use any audio aplication...I am using debian3.1 kernel 3.6.8....could you help please |
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| 12:38.43 | ABRAXAS77 | somebody is boring? |
| 12:39.20 | mjk64 | new2linux: Try "fuser -v /dev/dsp" |
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| 12:41.21 | nvz | ABRAXAS77: ? |
| 12:42.00 | sussudio_ | !caps |
| 12:42.00 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put _* on both sides of them. _emphasize_ them. |
| 12:42.03 | nvz | I need a fuckin bacon cheese burger.. after working all night thats my mission of the day |
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| 12:42.16 | nvz | aquire and consume a bacon cheese burger |
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| 12:42.53 | sussudio_ | in soviet russia, bacon eats you |
| 12:43.06 | kurtak | When trying to apt-get install something, i get the message about the installation needing to remove an essential package due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. "This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option" I don't really see any way around this, so "i really want to do it", unless someone has another suggestion. How can I activate the ForceBreak option? |
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| 12:43.35 | Piggy | =:8 |
| 12:44.05 | nvz | I got me a pretty cool dead end job. Working with a bunch of big robots. |
| 12:44.18 | sussudio_ | decepticons? |
| 12:44.25 | nvz | no clue |
| 12:44.44 | nvz | wtf is a decepticon |
| 12:45.18 | sussudio_ | ... |
| 12:45.21 | cahoot | the point is - you wouldn't know - hence the name |
| 12:46.08 | Ronin | but theyre more then meets the eye sussudio_ |
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| 12:46.18 | nvz | I'm tired been up since yesturday afternoon. I havent the slights clue what just flew over my head there. |
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| 12:47.00 | sussudio_ | nvz: soundwave? |
| 12:47.04 | zvn | how can I prevent/detect CPU overheating (ACPI, watchdog, whatever)? |
| 12:47.06 | liable | mmm, bacon. |
| 12:47.29 | nvz | I wonder if I should take my ass to wendy's or make my own fucking burger and save the money :P |
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| 12:47.58 | liable | or just cook bacon! |
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| 12:48.08 | nvz | I had said I wasnt going to wendy's anymore cause they raised the price of the Jr. Bacon Cheese Burger $0.30 without improving it in any way |
| 12:48.23 | salahuddin | my gnome volume reset when i restart debian |
| 12:48.36 | nvz | next thing you know they will take a nugget from the 5 piece and charge $0.10 |
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| 12:48.43 | nvz | can't let em get away with that shi |
| 12:48.46 | nvz | t |
| 12:48.53 | liable | bacon, eggs, grilled tomato, pan fried mushrooms all on toast covered with baked beans! |
| 12:48.53 | sussudio_ | nvz: they put crude in there |
| 12:48.58 | nvz | heh |
| 12:49.17 | jethro | !beer liable |
| 12:49.20 | mjk64 | kurtak: man apt.conf |
| 12:49.21 | sussudio_ | snake? |
| 12:49.34 | nvz | s/10/10 more./ |
| 12:49.36 | liable | of course, you need beer to wash it all down :) |
| 12:49.53 | nvz | yeah I could cook my own burger and buy a beer |
| 12:49.57 | jethro | :) |
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| 12:50.16 | en1gma | hi all |
| 12:50.21 | en1gma | on my nforce2 mb it appears there are 2 sound chips the "MCP-T and the ALC650" can someone help me in picking the right kernel modules to turn on to get my sound working |
| 12:50.47 | en1gma | i have the 2.6.13.3 kernel and just cant seem to guess which modules to compile in to get this sound working |
| 12:50.48 | liable | although, thats usually my hangover, super breakfast :) |
| 12:51.04 | liable | without the beer.. |
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| 12:51.29 | nvz | I don't have a hangover... I went to work last night instead of going to Hooters with the guys to watch the Stillers game |
| 12:51.31 | AzMoo | Does debian's apache packages use httpd.conf as the config file? |
| 12:51.36 | Ronin | ahh beer, its just not for breakfast anymore |
| 12:51.57 | liable | AzMoo: yes |
| 12:52.03 | liable | AzMoo: read the docs. |
| 12:52.04 | AzMoo | liable, that's what I thought. |
| 12:52.15 | AzMoo | liable, I'm not installing it. Asking for somebody else. |
| 12:52.15 | en1gma | please guys. i really need to get this sound working correct |
| 12:52.26 | liable | AzMoo: oh. :) |
| 12:52.43 | liable | AzMoo: tell him to read the docs :) |
| 12:52.49 | AzMoo | ;) |
| 12:52.49 | en1gma | i did |
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| 12:53.26 | en1gma | nvidia driver says "use OSS not ALSA" so i been guessing at the drivers and no luck yet |
| 12:53.52 | Eclipser | uhhuh? |
| 12:53.56 | Eclipser | why would nvidia drivers says so |
| 12:53.59 | Eclipser | -s |
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| 12:54.06 | en1gma | i can get the quote if u want |
| 12:54.39 | Eclipser | !u |
| 12:54.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 12:55.15 | AzMoo | hah, I haven't read userfriendly for years :p |
| 12:55.16 | en1gma | "NVIDIA's audio driver is an OSS driver, and requires OSS sound support in the kernel. NVIDIA's audio control panel is a Qt-based application, and requires Qt run-time libraries in order to run. |
| 12:55.16 | en1gma | " |
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| 12:55.40 | en1gma | further on down it talks about disabling the alsa drivers |
| 12:55.47 | Eclipser | ah, nvidia motherboard integrated sound card? |
| 12:56.10 | liable | and nvidia proprietry drivers?.. |
| 12:56.34 | en1gma | yea its the soundstorm chip |
| 12:56.41 | liable | !kill nvidia |
| 12:56.52 | en1gma | which is a good onboard soundchip (its hardware) |
| 12:57.23 | en1gma | and it is supported |
| 12:57.37 | en1gma | but the damn guide dont say which modules to check on in kernel |
| 12:57.41 | en1gma | i hate nvidia |
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| 12:58.25 | cahoot | en1gma: only soundcore? nividias driver doing the rest maybe |
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| 12:59.20 | en1gma | im not sure at all. usually in linux i never bother getting sound or graphics going to much (just usually net i concerned about) this is first time ive tried it in loing time |
| 12:59.54 | en1gma | there are 2 catagorys under /device drivers/sound card/ that is alsa and oss |
| 13:00.23 | en1gma | the driver says use oss only so i go into that catagory and look for something similar to my hardware and i dont find anything |
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| 13:00.36 | en1gma | the install guide also says this |
| 13:00.50 | en1gma | Add the following lines to the configuration file: |
| 13:00.59 | en1gma | alias sound-slot-0 nvsound |
| 13:01.00 | en1gma | alias snd-intel8x0 off |
| 13:01.00 | en1gma | alias i810_audio off |
| 13:01.21 | Guerin | don't fucking paste, you twat |
| 13:01.32 | en1gma | i didnt flood |
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| 13:01.48 | en1gma | cum-twat :P |
| 13:03.00 | en1gma | can anyone make out what modules i should be selecting in kernel |
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| 13:03.11 | en1gma | http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/nforce/1.0-0306/ReleaseNotes.html |
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| 13:05.43 | new2linux | I have started the esd server on my debian 3.1.... but every time I try to record using a sound recorder application i get this message...." OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program."....could you help please?.. |
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| 13:07.07 | kurtak | what's your fav rss reader?? |
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| 13:09.17 | streuner | apt-cache search rss reader ? |
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| 13:09.53 | AzMoo | I like KDE's one. I forget what it's called though. |
| 13:10.04 | AzMoo | akregator or something. |
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| 13:10.20 | mne | hi there ! Ive a strange problem with snmp. It tells me for eth0 which is up and running fine: "ifDescr.2 = STRING: eth0", "ifSpeed.2 = Gauge32: 0" and ":ifOperStatus.2 = INTEGER: down(2)". Why is Speed and operating status returned wrong by snmpd here ? |
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| 13:10.45 | toad_ | why is smtpd-policy.pl not shipped with postfix? and is there an easy way to get SPF support with postfix as shipped by debian? |
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| 13:10.48 | davis | hello |
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| 13:11.11 | davis | any idea how to fix GPG error when you run apt-get update? |
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| 13:13.13 | bibe | davis : import the gpg key |
| 13:13.46 | bibe | I did it manually for marillat's repository one time, now apt-get doesn't complain anymore |
| 13:13.50 | davis | bibe: how do I do that? |
| 13:14.11 | bibe | davis : what repository does apt-get complain on? |
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| 13:14.31 | davis | ftp://ftp.nerim.net |
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| 13:15.03 | N6REJ | *sigH* I'm back... I don't think tls is starting... can someone help me? |
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| 13:16.40 | macgeek | question: i am doing a netinst of debian using floppies, and i have come to a point where it asks my medium for installation. what should i choose? |
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| 13:17.03 | N6REJ | anyone want to help me with this postfix/saslauthd/tls issue? |
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| 13:17.21 | macgeek | it can't be cd-rom, so it must be floppy 1 or 2 or an already mounted filesystem. |
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| 13:17.43 | macgeek | anyone? |
| 13:17.58 | macgeek | theres near 800 people and noone will even say anything |
| 13:18.00 | bibe | davis : so it's marillat's. then yoy have to find out Christian Marillat's public gpg key |
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| 13:18.53 | N6REJ | *sigh* |
| 13:18.58 | davis | bibe: i need to add that to my root gpg keyring? |
| 13:18.58 | N6REJ | :( |
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| 13:19.08 | macgeek | what installation medium do i choose when doing a clean netinst with floppies? |
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| 13:19.17 | zaikxtox | hello. i have a problem. when i do apt-get build-dep python2.3 , it says that cannot satisfy dependencies of construccion of python2.3 i'm using sarge on i386 |
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| 13:19.33 | zaikxtox | ideas? |
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| 13:19.52 | bibe | davis : yes |
| 13:20.17 | bibe | davis : it seems that gpg --recv-keys 07DC563D1F41B907 adds Marillat's key |
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| 13:20.55 | davis | hmm. bad URI |
| 13:21.38 | bibe | davis : I've just received the key from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net |
| 13:21.45 | awww_ | how do i set a custom keymap for x as regular user (with xkb enabled)? |
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| 13:22.01 | davis | mine said no keyserver known |
| 13:22.14 | bibe | davis : use --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net |
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| 13:22.21 | davis | ok. many thanks. |
| 13:22.30 | bibe | davis : no problem |
| 13:22.49 | gnuComuna | hi! I have a question too... I'm on i386 stable, and I can't install libqt3-dev for kernel compiling... broken packages... |
| 13:22.54 | davis | i am adding this to my notes now. many thanks. |
| 13:23.19 | bibe | gnuComuna : try with apt-get update && apt-get install libqt3-dev |
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| 13:24.15 | gnuComuna | Hi bibe, but I try, perhaps I have packages from testing/unstable? I can't understand... I do "apt-get update" ... I have only stable in sources.list... |
| 13:25.07 | cahoot | gnuComuna: is that a dependency for xconfig? don't bother in that case - use menuconfig |
| 13:25.30 | gnuComuna | yes, xconfig, I will try menuconfig... |
| 13:25.41 | bibe | gnuComuna : hi. I don't know what kind of system you have, what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say? |
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| 13:26.15 | gnuComuna | 3.1 |
| 13:27.04 | bibe | and did you ever install packages from different repositories, especially from testing and/or unstable? |
| 13:27.26 | gnuComuna | mplayer from marillat |
| 13:27.32 | gnuComuna | acroread so... |
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| 13:28.03 | bibe | ok, there should be no problem |
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| 13:28.18 | gnuComuna | xfce4 from unstable too |
| 13:28.24 | bibe | hah |
| 13:28.28 | gnuComuna | or testing... |
| 13:28.53 | josh2 | Hello, I'm trying to install debian 3.0r4 and after booting from the cd it gets stacks on saying "de: irq15 failed .. using default" |
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| 13:29.05 | bibe | it's possible that xfce4 installed one or more libraries from testing/unstable... |
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| 13:29.29 | Kaharas | hi all... how can i see software versions on my pc? there's a file with a complete list of them? |
| 13:29.43 | rhu | hello i just discovered that i need to compile my sarge default kernel (2.4.27-2) on my own for cifs support. but where do i get the configuration this kernel is using currently? |
| 13:29.48 | bibe | Kaharas : dpkg-query -W |
| 13:29.51 | OliverGTK | Does ANYBODY have file libxvidcore.so.2 ??? I need that very much, but I cant find it , even a source, or binary for debian ??? |
| 13:30.27 | Kaharas | ty |
| 13:30.36 | gnuComuna | hi bibe! thanks a lot!!! maybe uninstall xfce4 from testing/unstable? |
| 13:30.37 | jm_ | yes, some people have it |
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| 13:30.59 | gnuComuna | but I can't do this!!! :( |
| 13:31.00 | OliverGTK | o, thanks |
| 13:31.08 | bibe | gnuComuna : I don't think that will uninstall libraries |
| 13:31.28 | brosio | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 13:31.28 | brosio | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.28 | The_Professor | bonjour a tous |
| 13:31.32 | OliverGTK | I need people whose has libxvidcore.so.2 build on debian |
| 13:31.33 | jm_ | !tell OliverGTK -about search |
| 13:31.35 | brosio | what does it means ? |
| 13:31.40 | bibe | try installing apt-show-versions package and take a look on what packages have been installed from testing/unstable |
| 13:31.45 | josh2 | Someone? |
| 13:31.58 | brosio | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded. |
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| 13:32.08 | bibe | brosio : did you do an 'apt-get upgrade'? |
| 13:32.16 | brosio | bibe, yes |
| 13:32.26 | fireba11_grr | brosio: then don't mind that is perfectly normal |
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| 13:32.29 | josh2 | bibe, is it your real name? |
| 13:32.31 | bibe | josh2 : do you _really_ need to install 3.0? why not 3.1? |
| 13:32.43 | bibe | josh2 : no |
| 13:32.46 | brosio | fireba11_grr, but now what can i do ? |
| 13:33.00 | josh2 | bibe, ha ok.. hmm.. is 3.1 good? |
| 13:33.00 | fireba11_grr | brosio: why you want to do anything ? |
| 13:33.05 | bibe | brosio : do you only have stable repositories? |
| 13:33.20 | fireba11_grr | brosio: of course you could do an apt-get dist-upgrade to get the newer packages |
| 13:33.24 | bibe | brosio: you should try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:33.32 | brosio | but |
| 13:33.38 | brosio | isn't the same |
| 13:33.44 | brosio | of upgrade ? |
| 13:33.45 | bibe | josh2 : it's great |
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| 13:33.58 | brosio | apt-get upgrade == apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 13:34.07 | fireba11_grr | brosio: obviously not |
| 13:34.09 | bibe | brosio : no. try 'man apt-get' |
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| 13:34.46 | brosio | ok thx |
| 13:34.54 | bibe | brosio : di niente |
| 13:35.25 | fusionfox | how can i unite other partition with the one my linux is actual using? |
| 13:35.40 | fireba11_grr | fusionfox: ? |
| 13:35.41 | gnuComuna | bibe: "apt-show-versions | grep -i testing", or "grep -i unstable", right? |
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| 13:36.21 | brosio | bibe, italiano ? :D |
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| 13:36.34 | bibe | gnuComuna : yes |
| 13:36.36 | fusionfox | fireba11_grr, i got a 10 Gb thats my EXT3 that my linux is using but i discovered 20GB without use that i would like to unite it with my ext3 that my linux is using how do i do that? |
| 13:36.38 | bibe | brosio : yes |
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| 13:36.42 | eXa_bOy | i need to burn a cd, from ISO |
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| 13:36.46 | fireba11_grr | fusionfox: "unite" is no defined term when it comes to partitions :-) you might want to merge those, or try to add so you can access from your debian system |
| 13:36.48 | eXa_bOy | what can i use to do this? |
| 13:36.49 | brosio | :D |
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| 13:37.04 | fusionfox | fireba11_grr, lol well i would like to merge em |
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| 13:37.12 | eXa_bOy | from the prompt |
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| 13:37.24 | bibe | eXa_bOy : man cdrecord |
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| 13:37.37 | davis | bibe: i did as you suggested and it sill complains. |
| 13:37.39 | josh2 | bibe, well, good.. thanks i'll try it out.. |
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| 13:37.56 | eXa_bOy | is it any good? |
| 13:38.31 | bibe | josh2 : no problem |
| 13:38.32 | fireba11_grr | fusionfox: now changing partitions usually also wipes those .. don't know if there is a stable open source tool yet .. there are soem commercial ones though .. and you can always just mount it somewhere |
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| 13:38.51 | bibe | davis : did you sign the key? |
| 13:38.52 | RichiH | eXa_bOy: cdrecord is what every linux user uses |
| 13:38.58 | eXa_bOy | ok cool |
| 13:39.06 | RichiH | at least, i don't think there is any other program which would burn cds :) |
| 13:39.08 | davis | bibe: hmm. i did this: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 13:39.17 | davis | bibe: is that considered signing? |
| 13:39.18 | abrotman | RichiH: iirc ... there is another |
| 13:39.23 | RichiH | abrotman: really? |
| 13:39.30 | eXa_bOy | how then do i get it to recognise my cd-burner |
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| 13:39.38 | abrotman | RichiH: yes ... but 99% of apps use cdrecord |
| 13:39.40 | fusionfox | fireba11_grr, mmmm |
| 13:39.43 | bibe | davis : no, it' adding a key to your keyring. now issue a gpg --edit-key marillat |
| 13:39.48 | jm_ | yes, there is - it was mentioned on p.d.n a few times |
| 13:39.58 | abrotman | it's pretty sad when something is worse than cdrecord |
| 13:40.11 | davis | ok |
| 13:40.15 | shawnh_ | I am trying to install Sarge on a compaq desktop. I have removed all extra hardware (wireless network, modem). I have tried all kinds of different boot parameters (including linux26). After the installer loads the kernel the system reboots. Any ideas? |
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| 13:40.47 | RichiH | eXa_bOy: man cdrecord tells you in the first five lines |
| 13:41.04 | fireba11_grr | fusionfox: parted coule be your tool though |
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| 13:41.30 | fusionfox | fireba11_grr, can i get that with atp or need to get it form web? |
| 13:41.49 | davis | bibe: after that what do i do? it gives me a command prompt. |
| 13:41.54 | fireba11_grr | it's n the debian repository, so you can jsut apt-get it |
| 13:41.54 | gnuComuna | bibe: mozilla, openoffice, wmaker, ethereal, xfce4, synaptic -> newer than version in archive |
| 13:42.00 | eXa_bOy | ok how do i work out which device is my cdrom? |
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| 13:43.40 | JonJ | How about poking around in fstab and/or checking dmesg? If I rund dmesg | grep CD I get some useful info |
| 13:43.58 | fusionfox | i dont recommend poking around fstab =P |
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| 13:44.25 | eXa_bOy | im just gonna install nero and burn it on win... much easier |
| 13:44.34 | JonJ | And this is why? Just looking at it would be quite alright |
| 13:45.04 | fusionfox | eXa_bOy, lol XD i wonder some times why i am in linux cause everything i need is it in windows with no problems to use it =P |
| 13:45.26 | AzMoo | fusionfox, then why are you in linux? |
| 13:45.28 | Faithful | Anyone in AU got a Sun Ultra 10 they want to get rid of? |
| 13:45.36 | fusionfox | AzMoo, cause i wanna learn to use it =P |
| 13:45.48 | AzMoo | fusionfox, fair enough. |
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| 13:45.50 | macgeek | ok, i'm trying to burn driver-2 to a floppy for a netinst, and i keep getting errors. im using rwwrtwin and it says 'sector requested was not found'. i've tried 2 floppies, and it worked the first time, but there was a read error so i had to try again |
| 13:45.55 | macgeek | suggestions? |
| 13:46.07 | eXa_bOy | i cant be stuffed working it out mate. much better things to do with my time... ill leave it to the nerds |
| 13:46.07 | bibe | davis : sign the key with 'sign', then save and exit ('help' will... help you) |
| 13:46.24 | fusionfox | AzMoo, yup =) but never tho that linux was so problematic (O_o) |
| 13:46.32 | bibe | gnuComuna : are those the only 'newer' packages? |
| 13:46.48 | gnuComuna | yeap! bad, no? |
| 13:46.49 | AzMoo | fusionfox, it's not once you learn to use it ;) |
| 13:46.52 | fusionfox | Azmoo, everything is very unstable (O_O), i even cant make 2 sounds sound at same time =P |
| 13:46.53 | macgeek | anyone? |
| 13:47.15 | bibe | gnuComuna : not so bad, I think those packages have nothing in common with your library |
| 13:47.26 | fusionfox | AzMoo, maybe you are right =P, but still figuring out how to change my theme =) |
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| 13:48.00 | AzMoo | fusionfox, be patient. It takes time :) |
| 13:48.15 | gnuComuna | bibe: k3blibs too, all that uses qt, no? |
| 13:48.34 | davis | bibe i think i understand the problem. i dont have a private/pub key for my root user. i only have one for my regular user id, davis. could i somehow use that one? |
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| 13:49.01 | josh2 | does anyone knows good ISO burnning programs for lnx? |
| 13:49.07 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 13:49.09 | macgeek | gosh dang it the floppy says 1.44MB, but its only recognized to have 1.38MB |
| 13:49.09 | fusionfox | AzMoo, patients they say thats what i need, but i am going to go crazy =P if i dont get this linux to work right =P, and by the way how do i change my theme i am using gnome =P and it is a hell trying to figure out any clue? |
| 13:49.10 | bibe | gnuComuna : yes |
| 13:49.27 | gnuComuna | I do purge in all kde, but... |
| 13:50.13 | bibe | I use my gpg keyring (bibe's) on my laptop, I upgrade using sudo |
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| 13:51.28 | BiSK-8 | hello |
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| 13:51.39 | bibe | gnuComuna : I'd suggest you to add testing and unstable repositories, using apt-pinning, but many users in this channel will suggest you to not do so |
| 13:51.41 | BiSK-8 | i need a hand with debian installation |
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| 13:52.05 | fusionfox | BiSK-8, just ask question and someone will answer |
| 13:52.54 | josh2 | Does anybody knows how to connect a USB flash disk to linux? |
| 13:52.58 | fusionfox | BiSK-8, try making sensable question cause if people here do not find problem relevant will not answer |
| 13:53.02 | BiSK-8 | when i reboot after the installation, i configure the apts by hand, and in front of every line there is a # but i was told 2 put a #, should i put another1 next to the # thats already there or leave it he wa it is |
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| 13:53.38 | fusionfox | BiSK-8, try using it both way =P, till one work |
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| 13:53.44 | Oliver^work | anyone here use tomcat4 on debian? |
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| 13:53.51 | BiSK-8 | any other way? |
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| 13:54.09 | bibe | Oliver^work : I used it, now I use tomcat5 |
| 13:54.22 | Miesco | How come I can telnet to port 22 on my computer at home (miesco.homelinux.org) but I cant ping it? |
| 13:54.45 | yuggly | where do I switch the default from Gnome to KDE? |
| 13:54.45 | fusionfox | BiSK-8, ehh i dont think someone will answer that, just try doing it both way |
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| 13:54.55 | Miesco | Is it because it has a router? |
| 13:54.59 | fusionfox | BiSK-8, if it doesnt work, then il ltry to help =P |
| 13:55.08 | davis | Miesco: are you running a telnet server on it? |
| 13:55.12 | BiSK-8 | k |
| 13:55.13 | BiSK-8 | thx |
| 13:55.14 | BiSK-8 | ill try |
| 13:55.23 | Miesco | davis: no |
| 13:55.39 | davis | Miesco: then that is why you can not telnet to it. 8-) |
| 13:55.51 | manioul | hi! i noticed in my bootlog that /etc/network/options is deprecated, how is it replaced, plz? |
| 13:55.56 | fireba11_grr | Miesco: soem firewall blocking pings ? |
| 13:56.05 | davis | bibe: you still here? |
| 13:56.08 | Miesco | fireba11_grr No |
| 13:56.13 | JW | Can anyone please respond to http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/08/msg03457.html ? I get mails from people asking if I already got a solution! (I don't) |
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| 13:56.37 | bibe | davis : yes, did I miss your message(s)? |
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| 13:56.53 | bibe | davis : did you use 'sudo' |
| 13:56.54 | bibe | ? |
| 13:57.02 | davis | bibe i think i understand the problem. i dont have a private/pub key for my root user. i only have one for my regular user id, davis. could i somehow use that one? |
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| 13:57.42 | yuggly | how do I switch the default from Gnome to KDE? |
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| 13:58.06 | bibe | davis : so you missed my message. I imported and signed Marillat's pubkey into my user's keyring, then I use those repositories with 'sudo apt-get install ...' |
| 13:58.08 | fireba11 | Miesco: well .. it's not returning pings to me either .. check if dyndns is current |
| 13:58.26 | bibe | yuggly : echo "$(which startkde)" > .xinitrc |
| 13:58.26 | apfel | Any ideas on how to set up Debian in order to display japanese characters (I'm mainly interested in displaying iso-2022-jp encoded messages within mutt)? I tried several things described on various websites but none of them work. |
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| 13:58.35 | davis | bibe ahh. |
| 13:59.06 | Pryon | ls |
| 13:59.08 | Pryon | eek |
| 13:59.31 | MrXerox | anyone have the nvidia drivers loaded successfully with the debian 2.6.14-rc3 kernel? this is whipping my arse! Ive asked in #nvidia but there is never anyone there... |
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| 13:59.57 | Miesco | How do I change how long you can idle with ssh without getting dissconnected? |
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| 14:00.22 | davis | bibe, still no dice. |
| 14:00.34 | [Idle]MaxPain | jem aus deutschland hier? |
| 14:00.36 | nosklo | MrXerox: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseNvidia |
| 14:00.46 | fireba11 | [Idle]MaxPain: yes |
| 14:00.47 | MrXerox | cool..thanks |
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| 14:01.11 | bibe | MrXerox : it's the same in #ati... :-S |
| 14:01.21 | [Idle]MaxPain | exept me? |
| 14:01.36 | fireba11 | [Idle]MaxPain: why you think i answered with yes ? :-) |
| 14:01.39 | MrXerox | Its crazy...like a zombie town...LOL |
| 14:01.52 | MrXerox | 100 people and no one alive |
| 14:01.56 | bibe | davis : but is it only a warning (asking you if you want to install the package anyway) or is it an error? |
| 14:02.02 | fireba11 | MrXerox: that's for most channels |
| 14:02.02 | davis | warning |
| 14:02.19 | [Idle]MaxPain | thx fireball kannst du mit bei der net inst von debian helfen? |
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| 14:02.48 | fireba11 | [Idle]MaxPain: yes .. but ou should speak english in here |
| 14:02.50 | fireba11 | !de |
| 14:02.50 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 14:03.07 | FinnTux | how do I get fragmentation level of ext3 filesystem? |
| 14:03.36 | FinnTux | windows user asked if we should defragment our server's disk... |
| 14:03.44 | FinnTux | I didn't know what to say |
| 14:03.45 | antgel | FinnTux: don't be silly :) |
| 14:03.46 | fireba11 | FinnTux: hehe |
| 14:03.59 | FinnTux | but I got curious... |
| 14:04.04 | antgel | FinnTux: defragment windows user's brain |
| 14:04.07 | FinnTux | lol |
| 14:04.09 | fireba11 | antgel: still i'm wondering if there is a way to check it :-) |
| 14:04.15 | Miesco | fireba11: I can telnet on port 22 |
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| 14:04.22 | FinnTux | can I copy paste this to him? :) |
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| 14:04.36 | bibe | davis : I don't know, I did as I explained to you and I receive no warning at all |
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| 14:04.50 | AzMoo | fusionfox, have you installed the gnome-control-center package? |
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| 14:05.11 | antgel | fireba11: it's not really a relevant concept. ext3 looks after itself pretty much afaik |
| 14:06.07 | fusionfox | AzMoo, not a single idea about that could be |
| 14:06.21 | fusionfox | AzMoo, does it come with the desktop package? |
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| 14:07.27 | stranger | hi all... I am trying to install mythtv and it require qt3 which is installed in my debian testing pc.. but there is no /usr/lib/qt3/bin directory |
| 14:07.35 | paxl | euh.. how to downgrade a package with apt-get |
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| 14:08.01 | sKaBoy | FinnTux, i think you can check it with e2fsck -n devicename |
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| 14:09.01 | FinnTux | sKaBoy, thanks. I just noticed that too. gonna try |
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| 14:09.39 | fireba11 | antgel: i know .. i'm still wondering how good that works especially on full HDs and some visualisation fi it would be interesting |
| 14:09.43 | AzMoo | fusionfox, it's a seperate package. Just type gnome-control-center and see if it exists. If it does, there's a theme section in there. If it doesn't, apt-get install gnome-control-center |
| 14:10.17 | fusionfox | AzMoo, a window opened |
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| 14:10.42 | bibe | stranger : there are no debian (stable/testing/unstable) packages that installs into /usr/lib/qt3/bin, at least according to apt-file. What package/application asks you for /usr/lib/qt3/bin? |
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| 14:10.51 | AzMoo | fusionfox, double-click on themes and life should be good. |
| 14:10.54 | fusionfox | AzMoo, yes it exist (O_o) and then =P what should i do this blue thingie is killing me every itme i enter |
| 14:11.09 | fusionfox | AzMoo, >_> oh really?? |
| 14:12.06 | fusionfox | AzMoo, i want a custom made theme that i alrady downloaded and press install theme =P select the package and nothing happens >_> |
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| 14:13.33 | AzMoo | fusionfox, can't help you there. Don't know that much about gnome, I usually use fluxbox. |
| 14:13.39 | stranger | bibe, I am trying to install mythtv following thier guide from http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/Main_Page, section 4.3 .. btw, mythtv is using debian unstable as a base |
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| 14:14.01 | AzMoo | fusionfox, but you might want to try #gnome in that case. |
| 14:14.15 | abrotman | #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 14:14.18 | rafaela_stb | how do i change the screen resolution?? |
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| 14:14.28 | smacnay | l |
| 14:14.31 | smacnay | oop |
| 14:14.33 | abrotman | !drxx rafaela_stb |
| 14:14.35 | dpkg | rafaela_stb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:15.04 | FinnTux | yeah e2fsck -n works |
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| 14:15.31 | Miesco | Only port 21 and port 22 are open, and I portforwarded port 25 |
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| 14:16.30 | ircdevil | today i am going to fix this non-working microphone. alsa sound is working, microphone is unmuted and turned up - but microphone is not picking up any sound? (it does under windows on the same box) |
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| 14:17.52 | bibe | stranger : what debian 'official' repositories are you using? unstable only? |
| 14:17.52 | ircdevil | any ideas? |
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| 14:18.06 | gnuComuna | bibe: I do a test: I change the sources.list to testing, then "apt-get install libqt3-dev". Sucess, but will install libc6 and libc6-dev from testing... |
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| 14:18.49 | bibe | gnuComuna : you have a messy situation... I'd upgrade libc6 only if dist-upgrading to testing |
| 14:18.50 | Wimpie | looking for xine-ui 0.9.4 package .. |
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| 14:19.16 | yoo | somebody know a chan IRC on which people speak about xdtv or xawdecode ? |
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| 14:19.34 | g0ng | can somebody help me with nvidia& Xorg? |
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| 14:19.57 | ircdevil | yoo: too narrow a field of interest |
| 14:19.59 | abrotman | just ask |
| 14:20.05 | fusspils | has anyone used aireplay? |
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| 14:20.24 | bibe | gnuComuna : try using _both_ http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/debian/sources.list.txt and http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/debian/preferences.txt (save the files into /etc/apt/ and remove the .txt suffix) |
| 14:20.59 | g0ng | I just upgraded my unstable debian. I can;t load X. I compiled the nvidia module, installed the glx but still when I type startx it sais cannot connect to X server |
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| 14:21.25 | yoo | i search filter for xdtv because my screen is spot lines blues and red |
| 14:21.33 | bibe | gnuComuna : it's called apt-pinning, you mix different repositories using one (in my case, stable) as a "base", and the others only if a package doesn't appear in a higher-preference repository |
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| 14:22.08 | gnuComuna | bibe: thanks a lot! I will try!!! |
| 14:22.33 | Slidey | hi, i did an apt-get install gcc, and its installed gcc-4.0, 3.4 and 3.3, with all the symlinks pointing at 4.0 |
| 14:22.50 | Slidey | how do i make it use one of the others instead, short of changing the symlinks myself ? |
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| 14:23.31 | xabier98 | hi when i try to ./configure anjuta 2.0 i get this error checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directo... |
| 14:24.08 | Pryon | Slidey: you might try uninstalling gcc and then installing a specific version (e.g. 'apt-get install gcc-3.3') |
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| 14:24.22 | bibe | gnuComuna : no problem |
| 14:24.41 | xabier98 | wich is the package i need |
| 14:25.17 | klainn | Does anyone happen to know if there is a variable you can set on the fluxbox commandline to tell it to use a specific windows manager? |
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| 14:26.19 | ircdevil | cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp is the way to test a mic, yes? |
| 14:26.26 | bibe | klainn : isn't fluxbox a windows manager itself? |
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| 14:26.37 | AzMoo | klainn, fluxbox IS a window manager |
| 14:26.44 | emac | is the swap space supposed to be twice the amount of actual RAM you have? |
| 14:26.45 | bbrazil | ircdevil: usually cat /dev/urandom |
| 14:26.57 | bbrazil | ircdevil: sorry, ignore me |
| 14:27.05 | bibe | !swap |
| 14:27.05 | dpkg | swap is, like, still a useful and good thing to have, even with lots of available memory: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 14:27.30 | AnitaL | setting the bell-style to none in Debian Etch is not working. I uncommented it in /etc/inputrc. Is this a bug. Anyone seen this? |
| 14:27.49 | stranger | bibe, I am mainly on tetsing.. |
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| 14:28.02 | bbrazil | ircdevil: cat /dev/dsp | od, see how it varies as you use the mike |
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| 14:28.15 | Netsnipe | hi everyone |
| 14:28.27 | Netsnipe | if I have a ssh server running behind a gateway/firewall and I set: |
| 14:28.32 | Netsnipe | $IPTABLES -P FOWARD DROP |
| 14:28.37 | Netsnipe | $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 14:28.45 | Netsnipe | do I need a connection tracking rule to let packets go back out the firewall? |
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| 14:29.02 | Netsnipe | errr...s/FOWARD/FORWARD |
| 14:29.07 | joeyy | how do i set quota 20mb soft and 50mb hard for a user |
| 14:29.21 | klainn | AzMoo : Yes. The troulbe I have is since I'm new to debian coming off gentoo vncserver doesn't work the same. When I vncserver it starts Gnome (which is the wm I use on the box) but when I want to use VNC I need a smaller, faster WM and I can't seem to get it to use fluxbox instead of Gnome. |
| 14:29.25 | gnuComuna | bbrazil: I think that you are from Brazil! :) sory... |
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| 14:30.48 | FinnTux | Netsnipe, let ESTABLISHED,RELATED packets go through |
| 14:30.49 | ahalsup | I have a software RAID1 that failed to come up today. dmesg reports: "EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock". what can I do??? |
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| 14:31.20 | FinnTux | something like -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 14:31.37 | cahoot | ircdevil: no alsa in use? |
| 14:32.12 | cahoot | ircdevil: nevermind |
| 14:32.15 | ahalsup | The raid device is /dev/md0, and consists of 2 EIDE (200GB) drives (/dev/hdb1 and /dev/hdc1) |
| 14:32.28 | ircdevil | cahoot: alsa sound is working. i can play sound ok - the volume setting of the mixer doesnt appear to be working. also mic is offline |
| 14:32.38 | LootBeer | anyone here? |
| 14:32.43 | bibe | stranger : use apt-pinning between testing and unstable, and try that. But take care! |
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| 14:33.06 | cahoot | ircdevil: alsamixer(gui) no better? |
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| 14:33.11 | stranger | thissi my sources.list http://channels.debian.net/paste/888, I know it needs alot of refinment |
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| 14:33.24 | SOLDNER_K | http://lrc.gameslife.ru |
| 14:33.30 | ircdevil | cahoot: no - thats not it. |
| 14:33.42 | thingfish | !ops SOLDNER_K in-channel spamming. |
| 14:33.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: SOLDNER_K in-channel spamming. |
| 14:33.46 | Ronin | what about it SOLDNER_K |
| 14:33.50 | ircdevil | cahoot: i suspect i may be using the wrong driver or some such thing |
| 14:34.00 | Ronin | thingfish: and doing it badly too |
| 14:34.01 | samuel | can anyone explain why i need hotplug and udev? |
| 14:34.04 | LootBeer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.11 | thingfish | hehe yes Ronin |
| 14:34.15 | cahoot | ircdevil: does /proc/asound/pcm list any dedicated mic device? |
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| 14:34.26 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 14:34.32 | thingfish | thank you, helix. |
| 14:34.42 | Iori | how can i activate my mouse??? |
| 14:34.49 | Iori | it stoped working |
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| 14:35.00 | ircdevil | cahoot: two mics ala -> 00-01: Intel ICH - MIC ADC : Intel ICH5 - MIC ADC : capture 1 |
| 14:35.15 | gnuComuna | bibe: I' will cancel the mission... but thanks... |
| 14:35.28 | gnuComuna | I need go!!! |
| 14:35.29 | ahalsup | Any RAID advice? Or perhaps another forum to ask my question... |
| 14:35.42 | yang26 | joeyy: For having quotas under linux, this must be defined in kernel ? # CONFIG_QUOTA is not set |
| 14:35.56 | Netsnipe | Iori: add mousedev to /etc/modules |
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| 14:36.31 | Iori | netsnipe i am on graphical mode |
| 14:36.48 | Iori | yhow ca i change to command line? |
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| 14:37.09 | Netsnipe | Iori: Ctrl-Alt-F1 and -F7 to switch back |
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| 14:37.41 | Kurt2 | Hey guys, I have this damned run away process problem.... any ideas on how a script could be written that periodically checks the cpu time and CPU percentage of the ogo-webui-1.0 command and if its above 90% cpu usage for more than 5 minutes kill the process |
| 14:37.42 | cahoot | ircdevil: does 'arecord -Dhw:0,1 -f cd -t wav test.wav' produce a soundfile? |
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| 14:40.28 | abrotman | Kurt2: do you know the PS-ID for it ? |
| 14:40.31 | ircdevil | cahoot: correcting a warning -> arecord -Dplughw:0,1 -f cd -t wav test.wav and the file is 44 bytes only |
| 14:40.56 | abrotman | wait .. that won't help |
| 14:40.56 | joeyy | how do i set quota 20mb soft and 50mb hard for a user help plz |
| 14:41.01 | abrotman | top | grep blah |
| 14:41.03 | abrotman | evil! |
| 14:41.08 | abrotman | !qouta |
| 14:41.13 | abrotman | !quota |
| 14:41.13 | joeyy | !qouta |
| 14:41.13 | dpkg | i heard quota is a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction. |
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| 14:41.37 | AzMoo | haha, you both spelled it wrong the same way. |
| 14:41.40 | lestest | hi there I have a big big trouble ... is it possible to undelete files in ext3? |
| 14:41.43 | AzMoo | Ah man, strange things amuse me. |
| 14:41.54 | Kurt2 | abrotman: the PID is what needs to be determined so I can make the script go kill -9 pid |
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| 14:42.18 | abrotman | Kurt2: couldn't oyu just HUP it every hour? :) |
| 14:42.22 | mikeX | how can you produce colorised output from a script? |
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| 14:42.24 | a1fa | i am looking for the following package |
| 14:42.28 | abrotman | antgel: that's nothing ... /msg dpkg cookie |
| 14:42.30 | a1fa | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.30 | Stereo | lestest: short answer is not really |
| 14:42.34 | Kurt2 | I need a command that can get me the PID of the ogo-webui-1.0 command when its been running for more than 5min at 90+% cpu usage |
| 14:42.37 | a1fa | and Net::RawSock |
| 14:42.41 | a1fa | for Perl? |
| 14:42.42 | nvz | its way past bedtime and I dont wanna ... |
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| 14:42.47 | lestest | Stereo: long? |
| 14:42.47 | Kurt2 | HUP? |
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| 14:42.51 | Kurt2 | what's hup? |
| 14:42.58 | nvz | hsng up |
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| 14:43.00 | abrotman | you know .. SIGHUP |
| 14:43.04 | Iori | how can i edit a file in command line? |
| 14:43.08 | Kurt2 | hmmm |
| 14:43.09 | nvz | hang up even |
| 14:43.09 | abrotman | vi |
| 14:43.16 | ircdevil | cahoot: what sould i expect of the arecord test? |
| 14:43.19 | Kurt2 | not sure how to do that |
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| 14:43.20 | Beik | Iori: nano, vi, emacs |
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| 14:43.26 | Iori | thanks |
| 14:43.28 | antgel | Iori: nano. abrotman thinks that newbies like you can use vi :) |
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| 14:43.37 | a1fa | how can i find the following packages for perl: NetPacket and Net:RawSock |
| 14:43.53 | ircdevil | a1fa: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:43.54 | Stereo | lestest: long is http://www.google.com/search?q=ext3+recover |
| 14:44.06 | Beik | a1fa: apt-cache search $pkgname |
| 14:44.08 | Iori | tnaks |
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| 14:44.17 | ircdevil | a1fa: or dh-make-perl --build --install --Net::RawSock |
| 14:44.17 | antgel | abrotman: that's a hell of a factoid |
| 14:44.27 | cahoot | ircdevil: a wav file (test.wav) |
| 14:44.31 | ircdevil | a1fa: or dh-make-perl --build --install --CPAN Net::RawSock |
| 14:44.37 | a1fa | k |
| 14:44.39 | abrotman | antgel: at least i didn't mention pico :) |
| 14:44.45 | ircdevil | cahoot: with what in it? stuff from the mic? |
| 14:45.00 | abrotman | antgel: it throws random crap out .. i was thinking about talking with don and removing some of the more obvious out of date ones |
| 14:45.02 | cahoot | ircdevil: OTOH the capital -D was wrong - should be -d |
| 14:45.52 | yoo | Which command allow me to know what processus use my sound card ? |
| 14:46.01 | yang26 | are these correct lines in sources.list , I cannot get the right update |
| 14:46.01 | yang26 | deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 14:46.02 | yang26 | deb-src http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 14:46.06 | cahoot | ircdevil: yes - aplay test.wav should replay the input from mic |
| 14:46.06 | nvz | yoo: lsof or fuser |
| 14:46.25 | nvz | !yinzersmite yoo |
| 14:46.27 | antgel | abrotman: good idea. when you're done with that, you can help me on the next-gen Reference ;) |
| 14:46.31 | a1fa | ircdevil : how about net Packet? |
| 14:46.33 | ircdevil | cahoot: ok, that made the test.wav grow |
| 14:46.33 | ircdevil | cahoot: utterly blank :o( |
| 14:46.36 | abrotman | antgel: which reference? |
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| 14:46.41 | antgel | abrotman: Debian |
| 14:46.50 | abrotman | antgel: for all fo it ? |
| 14:46.52 | fusionfox | !debian |
| 14:46.52 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 14:46.58 | antgel | abrotman: *nod* |
| 14:47.00 | yoo | :) |
| 14:47.19 | cahoot | ircdevil: must be a matter of mixer setting as I understand it |
| 14:47.44 | ircdevil | a1fa: familiarize yourself with apt-cache search, otherwise find the correct package path on CPAN dh-make-perl --build --install --CPAN Net::Packet or whatever |
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| 14:48.17 | jem77 | Anyone know what would cause a software raid1 to suddenly fail? I don't think the hardware is bad, since the drives are only about 3 months old. I'm getting the following error: EXT3-fs: unable to read superblock |
| 14:48.42 | fireba11 | jem77: you checked your drives ? |
| 14:49.02 | Beik | jem77: had an 'cat /proc/mdstat' |
| 14:49.16 | Beik | ? |
| 14:49.18 | ircdevil | cahoot: good. i agree. now, is something wrong with the mixer settings? mic is unmuted and turned up completely, mic boost is enganged, and mic selection has been tried with both 1 and 2. |
| 14:49.25 | jem77 | Personalities : unused devices: <none> |
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| 14:50.10 | ircdevil | cahoot: i think not, so the problem with the missing mic and the fact that i cannot adjust audio volume - its all or none - makes me believe i have loaded wrong modules ... |
| 14:50.29 | Oliver^work | no idea about linux, but with solaris i would do fsck and specify the superblock at address 32 |
| 14:50.32 | ircdevil | cahoot: mixer module is fubar |
| 14:50.43 | cahoot | ircdevil: might be so - yes |
| 14:50.45 | jem77 | Its a simple software, RAID1. 2 x 200GB IDE drives, on /dev/hdb1 and /dev/hdc1. Fortunately, I'm not booting from the raid, so the system is coming up. |
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| 14:51.28 | cahoot | ircdevil: (desperate trick) hand edit asound.state? |
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| 14:51.36 | jem77 | I'm pretty new to software raid, and mdadm is utterly unhelpful so far. |
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| 14:52.26 | cahoot | ircdevil: out of ideas and have to leave |
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| 14:52.39 | jem77 | Is it possible to rebuild the RAID1 superblock, without corrupting any of the filesystem contents? |
| 14:52.39 | ircdevil | cahoot: *sigh* ok - thanks |
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| 14:52.56 | Beik | jem77: what's the output of: 'fsck -n /dev/mdX' |
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| 14:53.23 | Oliver^work | jem77 you should have multiple superblocks on your disk already, just a case of telling fsck where to find one that isnt corrupt |
| 14:53.48 | jem77 | Beik: The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 |
| 14:53.48 | jem77 | filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 |
| 14:53.48 | jem77 | filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock |
| 14:53.48 | jem77 | is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: |
| 14:53.48 | jem77 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:54.59 | jem77 | Oliver^work: where should I tell mdadm to search for an alternate superblock? |
| 14:55.08 | Beik | jem77: is there any trace of your mdX-devices in /proc/mdstat? |
| 14:55.43 | jem77 | Beik: unfortunately, no. mdstat contains pretty-much nothing |
| 14:55.57 | fusionfox | how do i decompress an rar archive?? |
| 14:56.02 | Oliver^work | jem77 im not entirely sure, i dont know where mkfs creates the first backup superblock. you would need to do some googling. |
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| 14:57.00 | linuxzegnus | buenas !!! |
| 14:57.02 | Beik | jem77: I'm no raid-expert, but I think your raid-array is not initialized. is mdadm running? |
| 14:57.05 | jem77 | This stinks. After a HDD crash a few months ago, we (small office) decided it would be safer to setup a raid1 software. Now this happens!!! |
| 14:57.10 | fusionfox | saludos... |
| 14:57.12 | fusionfox | =P |
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| 14:57.34 | jem77 | Beik: yes, mdadm is running |
| 14:57.55 | xrhstos_18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.56 | linuxzegnus | tengo un modem sagem fast usb y me conecto perfectamente a internet, tengo las dns en /etc/ppp/resolv.conf pero cuando hago un startadsl ese fichero se sobreescribe automaticamente con unas dns incorrectas, alguna idea ¿? |
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| 14:58.01 | xrhstos_18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.10 | Ronin | !ops xrhstos_18 is another lame spammer |
| 14:58.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: xrhstos_18 is another lame spammer |
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| 14:58.27 | Ronin | bot abuse again heh |
| 14:58.55 | fusionfox | si viejo vete a un debian en espanol =P, que yo no tengo modem ADSL y no te puedo ayudar ademas aqui solo se habla ingles =P |
| 14:59.11 | mixter | hi! i'd like to add an extra ip to my server. when i do, it seems like outgoing traffic uses the new alias, eth0:0. could i use the ordinary interface, eth0, as the default interface and use the extra one only for incoming connections to an smtp-server? |
| 14:59.22 | RichiH | LoRez: ah, you were faster :) |
| 14:59.33 | fusionfox | pero has tratado con el PPP ADSL??? |
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| 14:59.46 | LoRez | RichiH: I almost had it before caphuso banned him :( |
| 14:59.49 | Oliver^work | jem77 do you know what your blocksize was? |
| 14:59.55 | RichiH | LoRez: ah, pity |
| 15:00.01 | jem77 | Anyone know of a way to recover from a "bad superblock" on a software RAID1? Using mdadm and kernel 2.6.7. |
| 15:00.17 | RichiH | LoRez: it's unfair, cause i am not in the factoid :p |
| 15:00.18 | jem77 | Oliver^work: I used the defaults, which I believe are 4k for EXT3 |
| 15:00.28 | LoRez | RichiH: put yourself in |
| 15:00.29 | chealer | !es |
| 15:00.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:00.37 | RichiH | LoRez: true |
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| 15:00.41 | wathek | hello all |
| 15:00.53 | jem77 | I know thats really small, but since I was using software, rather than hardware, RAID, I wasn't sure if I should have over-ridden the defaults. |
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| 15:00.54 | Oliver^work | says there should be a backup superblock at 16384 with 4k blocksize, use the -b option with fsck to specify it |
| 15:01.20 | RichiH | dpkg: ops =~ s/LoRez,/LoRez, RichiH,/ |
| 15:01.20 | dpkg | RichiH: that doesn't contain 'LoRez,' |
| 15:01.47 | LootBeer | my firefox is using a screwed up theme thus rendering it awful looking and worst totally unusable, how can i change a theme... seems stuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:01.52 | Oliver^work | oops no, 4k blocksize is at 32768 |
| 15:01.53 | RichiH | !literal ops |
| 15:01.53 | dpkg | ops is <reply>Please invoke '(dpkg: |!)ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 15:02.07 | caphuso | RichiH: cmd: ops (.*?) |
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| 15:02.10 | Beik | Oliver^work: his raid array is not initialized. fsck -b probably won't help. |
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| 15:02.31 | RichiH | caphuso: so how do i change a command? |
| 15:02.40 | streuner | dpkg literal cmd: ops (.*?) |
| 15:02.40 | dpkg | CMD: ops (.*?) is ($problem): <reply>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: $problem |
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| 15:02.55 | caphuso | RichiH: you use "cmd: ops (.*?)" as factoid name |
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| 15:03.07 | RichiH | ah, ok |
| 15:03.25 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:03.27 | streuner | RichiH: dpkg, no cmd: ops (.*?) is foo |
| 15:03.47 | RichiH | dpkg: cmd: ops (.*?) =~ s/LoRez,/LoRez, RichiH,/ |
| 15:03.47 | dpkg | RichiH: OK |
| 15:03.57 | RichiH | !ops this is a test, disregard |
| 15:03.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: this is a test, disregard |
| 15:04.01 | RichiH | k |
| 15:04.06 | helix | ugh |
| 15:04.12 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.13 | jem77 | Beik: you are correct |
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| 15:04.23 | RichiH | caphuso: i'm done ;) |
| 15:04.26 | caphuso | damn, now i need to adjust my OSD trigger |
| 15:04.50 | jem77 | Oliver^work: Unfortunately, specifying an alternate superblock didn't work. Neither 16384 nor 8193. |
| 15:04.54 | Beik | jem77: what is the output of: 'lsmod | grep raid' |
| 15:05.14 | jem77 | nothing. |
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| 15:05.25 | jem77 | Beik: nothing matched |
| 15:05.30 | Jay | How can I boot into a console and yet have GDM running so I can allow remote logins in debian sarge? |
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| 15:05.55 | caphuso | zshcompsomething |
| 15:07.07 | wathek | how can I create DEB for an AMD64 without having an AMD64 ? |
| 15:07.32 | fusionfox | lol |
| 15:07.35 | Beik | jem77: you have raid1 - mirroring, right? If true, do a 'modprobe raid1'. |
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| 15:08.09 | jem77 | Beik: I do have raid1. |
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| 15:08.29 | jem77 | Beik: I tried e2fsck -v /dev/hdb1 |
| 15:08.47 | Beik | jem77: btw: are you running a stock sarge kernel? |
| 15:08.56 | JerJer[mobile] | i am attempting to get sound working on stable. I see that the sound kernel modules have been loaded and my recording app seems to think everything is working but no sound makes is in. What debian package do i need to get a mixer to change input settings and whatnot ? |
| 15:09.05 | jem77 | Beik: /share: recovering journal... /share: clean, 32559/24428544 files, 16680145/48839584 blocks |
| 15:09.06 | Beik | jem77: Don't change your devices! |
| 15:09.35 | stew | JerJer[mobile]: are you using alsa or oss? |
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| 15:09.42 | Beik | jem77: Now your raid-array will propably be out of sink... |
| 15:09.54 | jem77 | Beik: crap, did I hose myself? Yes, I'm running the stock sarge kernel. |
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| 15:10.50 | JerJer[mobile] | stew: well i don't really know - my app is attempting to open /dev/dsp and it thinks it opened it - no errors are thrown at least |
| 15:10.50 | JerJer[mobile] | i am using asterisk and chan_oss - so it thinks i should be using oss |
| 15:11.20 | JerJer[mobile] | this is on a via82cxx |
| 15:11.23 | Beik | jem77: you haven't lost any thing. But it makes this thing a little more complicated (at least for me). |
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| 15:11.28 | stew | JerJer[mobile]: what kenrel module did you load to get sound working? |
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| 15:11.39 | jem77 | Beik: I thank you for this help |
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| 15:11.59 | JerJer[mobile] | via82cxxx perhaps? |
| 15:12.01 | Beik | jem77: you're welcome :) |
| 15:12.12 | JerJer[mobile] | debian did it automagically |
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| 15:12.49 | jem77 | Beik: would rebuilding the array, with mdadm make sense? Seems like (if the info is still on /dev/hdb1) I can simply recreate the mirror onto /dev/hdc1. No? |
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| 15:13.15 | fusionfox | is it posible to crack a linux program?? |
| 15:13.17 | JerJer[mobile] | i just need to get audio input working for a little streaming audio thing |
| 15:13.29 | Ronin | crack a linux program fusionfox? |
| 15:13.44 | stew | JerJer[mobile]: that would be oss, "lsmod | grep via" should tell you. "aumix" is a mixer you could use |
| 15:13.53 | fusionfox | Rockett18, some guy is saying he cracked a program (O_o) |
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| 15:15.26 | jethro | fusionfox: define crack |
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| 15:16.09 | fusionfox | mmm, well forcing program to work without registration, like stealing it (o_O) |
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| 15:16.19 | Beik | jem77: don't know.... but don't touch hdc1 (->the one which you haven't fscked). |
| 15:16.32 | jethro | fusionfox: of course it is, why wouldn't it be? |
| 15:16.34 | AzMoo | fusionfox, no reason why it wouldn't be possible. |
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| 15:16.47 | fusionfox | sint that forbidden (o_O) by law?? |
| 15:16.47 | dorto | how to install mozilla thunderbird in debian sarge? (what is its apt-get package name) |
| 15:17.01 | AzMoo | fusionfox, yes. But it's still possible. |
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| 15:17.10 | jethro | fusionfox: well, that's ilegal, but teechnicaly possible |
| 15:17.24 | Ronin | fusionfox: it is for windows too but that doesnt stop folks from doing it |
| 15:17.24 | cahoot | ircdevil: still there? |
| 15:17.25 | jethro | s/ile/ille/,s/ee/e/ |
| 15:17.35 | Beik | jem77: what's your top priority: getting some files from the array or repairing it? |
| 15:17.36 | fusionfox | lol >_>..., dang i wanna be a criminal then =P, will make my pocket more happy =D |
| 15:17.57 | jem77 | Beik: yes! hehe |
| 15:17.58 | awww_ | someone can tell me how to use xkbcomp? xkbcomp -xkm ~/my.xkb "$DISPLAY" somehow doesn't work.. or provide a pointer where i could ask else |
| 15:17.58 | AzMoo | fusionfox, your choice. Don't talk about it in here ;) |
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| 15:18.03 | Ronin | fusionfox: sure could do that, if you like being traded around for a deck of smokes |
| 15:18.15 | jem77 | Beik: actually, I'd like to have the raid functional (with all files). |
| 15:18.22 | fusionfox | XD lol >_> <_< muahahahahhaa |
| 15:18.37 | jem77 | Beik: However, just getting a single disk operational would be fine for now. |
| 15:18.42 | JerJer[mobile] | i guess this looks like a chan_oss problem perhaps |
| 15:18.56 | JerJer[mobile] | is there a text mode oss mixer deb ? |
| 15:19.04 | cahoot | ircdevil: alsamixergui displays 2 mc 'handles' for my audigy (only one in alsamixer) - the 'second' one regulates the inputlevel from mic |
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| 15:19.18 | Beik | jem77: ok. you can just do 'mount -ro /dev/hdb1 /mnt/whatever' |
| 15:19.27 | chealer | !tell dorto about thunderbird |
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| 15:19.34 | JerJer[mobile] | oh aumix - thanks |
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| 15:19.44 | dorto | thx chealer |
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| 15:20.07 | dorto | also, how do i install flash plugin in mozilla browser using apt-get? |
| 15:20.18 | Beik | jem77: s/-ro/-r/ |
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| 15:21.29 | chealer | !tell dorto about flash |
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| 15:21.41 | guru | is kde marked as broken or uninstallable in testing? |
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| 15:21.59 | guru | or am i just not doing something right? |
| 15:22.01 | fusionfox | i download a file form torrent and it is always damage could this be a problem?? or is jsut that i hav ebad luck? |
| 15:22.21 | jem77 | Beik: mount -t ext3 -r /dev/hdb1 /share |
| 15:22.38 | chealer | guru, ask #debian-kde |
| 15:22.43 | jem77 | Beik: worked like a charm!!! I guess I just need to read up on mdadm and figure out how to rebuild the raid?? |
| 15:22.45 | guru | chealer: thanks |
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| 15:23.38 | Beik | jem77: the orginal problem is that somehow the raid1 wasn't initialized (during bootup). |
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| 15:24.09 | jem77 | Beik: what do you think my safest option is? |
| 15:24.35 | cocozz | kde 3.4 u mean ? |
| 15:24.46 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:24.46 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:24.57 | fusionfox | where can i get c++ from?? |
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| 15:25.21 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:25.41 | Beik | jem77: hmmm. you have loaded the raid driver with 'modprobe raid1'. now 'cat /proc/mdstat' will likely be more verbose. |
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| 15:26.58 | jem77 | Beik: I now have the following [line 1] Personalities : [raid1] [line 2] unused devices: <none> |
| 15:26.58 | abrotman | there's a raid1 module ? |
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| 15:27.17 | abrotman | pngwn: you drove him off! |
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| 15:27.41 | nosklo | abrotman: he will return with another nick |
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| 15:27.48 | abrotman | yay |
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| 15:28.12 | jem77 | abrotman: 'modprobe raid1' doesn't return a module not found error. |
| 15:28.18 | abrotman | ok .. |
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| 15:29.02 | tuxbeginner | sers |
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| 15:29.17 | Beik | abrotman: yes there is and jem77 has loaded it already. |
| 15:29.17 | abrotman | sers? |
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| 15:30.17 | Beik | abrotman: sers? sers what? ;) |
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| 15:30.29 | tuxbeginner | Is there any way in debian to get a list of ALL TESTING packages intalled? |
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| 15:30.30 | abrotman | Beik: tuxbeginner said it .. not me |
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| 15:30.36 | abrotman | tuxbeginner: dpkg -l ? |
| 15:30.52 | Beik | ;) |
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| 15:31.45 | tuxbeginner | abrotman: I want only a list of testing packages |
| 15:31.53 | abrotman | tuxbeginner: tough? |
| 15:31.55 | tuxbeginner | most of my packages are stable |
| 15:31.59 | stranger | what is the qt package in debian |
| 15:32.01 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 15:32.01 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 15:32.09 | abrotman | stranger: for what? |
| 15:32.10 | Beik | jem77: I have to read something about mdadm first... but you can do a '/etc/init.d/mdadm restart' in the meantime |
| 15:32.16 | abrotman | libqt3-dev ? libqt3 ? |
| 15:32.34 | abrotman | tuxbeginner: you're not supposed to mix .. and afaik .. there is no way to show only the ones from testing |
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| 15:33.03 | tuxbeginner | abrotman: there is NO way?? |
| 15:33.15 | abrotman | tuxbeginner: i'm sure there's a very complicated way |
| 15:33.21 | tuxbeginner | I se.. |
| 15:33.29 | stranger | abrotman, I am trying to install mythtv and it requires qt3 |
| 15:33.36 | abrotman | libqt3-dev .. i think |
| 15:33.47 | weissi_ | hi, is there a way to disable swapping exactly for one process (without modifying the source of the prog)?? |
| 15:33.59 | abrotman | tuxbeginner: you're really not supposed to mix stable with other parts of debian |
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| 15:34.26 | abrotman | tuxbeginner: ah .. here we go |
| 15:34.41 | tuxbeginner | abrotman: there are only few testing packages |
| 15:34.56 | abrotman | tuxbeginner: i think through the magic of `apt-cache policy` .. you can do it .. but it's not going to be fun |
| 15:35.11 | jair_11 | abrotman, how are you doing today? |
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| 15:35.32 | abrotman | jair_11: i'm at work .. |
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| 15:36.23 | jair_11 | I have a quick question, I am about to purchase 5 laptops, and I would like to have almost 100% compatibility with debian GNU anyone can recommend me a brand I was thinking on a IBM. |
| 15:36.36 | jair_11 | abrotman, cool me too ;) |
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| 15:36.49 | abrotman | jair_11: you need to look at each laptop |
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| 15:36.57 | abrotman | jair_11: noone can say one brand will definitely work |
| 15:37.05 | Wanderer | anyone use BitPim for sync/backup of a Cell? |
| 15:37.11 | abrotman | jair_11: that said .. http://emperorlinux.com/ |
| 15:37.23 | jair_11 | abrotman, but I know that the IBM has been working very good with debian right? |
| 15:37.24 | patricius | has anyone succeded in installing axtiveX in wine? |
| 15:37.24 | Wanderer | trying to figure out how to build it on Debian, no make, configure.sh or autogen files |
| 15:37.36 | abrotman | jair_11: but they're more expensive than normal IBM laptops because they preload linux for you |
| 15:37.36 | jair_11 | abrotman, i will check that link |
| 15:37.42 | abrotman | patricius: #winehq |
| 15:37.48 | ircdevil | i realize that my /etc/modules is redundant. what can i safely remove without upsetting the order -> http://130.226.106.174/~paste/cgi-bin/1129045502.html |
| 15:37.52 | jair_11 | abrotman, ohhh ok |
| 15:37.55 | patricius | abrotman thx |
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| 15:38.13 | abrotman | jair_11: i can tell you that my laptop works in linux .. and ti's an IBM |
| 15:38.37 | jair_11 | abrotman, I will chek what computers are those, and I do not remember the web site but is a site that talks about debian and the IBM laptops. |
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| 15:39.23 | ircdevil | are ehcd-hcd and uhci mutually exclusive? |
| 15:39.23 | jair_11 | abrotman, mine works good too R51 but it have a little trick to turn it off. |
| 15:39.23 | brainworm | is there a nice howto somewhere that deals with building glibc for debian ? |
| 15:39.38 | abrotman | !laptops |
| 15:39.39 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 15:39.47 | abrotman | brainworm: why would you ? |
| 15:39.50 | Beik | !tell jem77 about flood |
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| 15:40.12 | Beik | jem77: please paste your /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf somewhere (not in this channel!) |
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| 15:40.58 | brainworm | abrotman: to debug the libraries |
| 15:41.01 | brainworm | of course |
| 15:41.12 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:41.29 | abrotman | brainworm: i think you just get the source package .. change the options used to compile it .. and build it |
| 15:41.43 | jair_11 | abrotman, nice |
| 15:41.47 | jair_11 | abrotman, thank you |
| 15:42.36 | jem77 | Beik: did I somehow flood the channel? maybe I copied/pasted into the wrong window. sorry |
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| 15:43.01 | brainworm | i was wondering if there is a debian way of doing it using a deb-build method |
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| 15:43.26 | Beik | jem77: no. but I wanted to be sure you know about flooding. |
| 15:43.41 | azeem | brainworm: by 'build it', abrotman means invoking dpkg-buildpackage, which produces a .deb |
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| 15:43.54 | azeem | (I guess) |
| 15:46.03 | Beik | jem77: have you already posted your mdadm.conf and where can I get it? |
| 15:46.20 | jem77 | Beik: coming right up. 1 sec |
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| 15:46.53 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 15:46.53 | dpkg | well, apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
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| 15:49.28 | jem77 | Beik: http://www.shazam.widge.org/mdadm.conf.html |
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| 15:51.05 | Sebo | Hi!! Is there anyone using Kdevelop on Debian :> I've found one little bug :P , fixed it and now I've got some questions 'How to Build some aps in it, and why it does not works :/ ? ' |
| 15:51.05 | Greek-Boy | i modified miniserv.conf to allow my IP but webmin still gives me an error of Access Denied. |
| 15:51.06 | Greek-Boy | Access control configuration prevents your request from being |
| 15:51.10 | paolovas | hi! |
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| 15:51.27 | paxl | it an sd card reader |
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| 15:51.52 | grendal_prime | hey we are starting to get severa linux machines online here...im looking to set up an nis server...im a little confused...does the sarge version of nis encrypt the information, because it looks as thoug it doesnt |
| 15:51.53 | ircdevil | suggestions as to why PCM volume control in alsamixer doesnt work? only mute works |
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| 15:52.18 | paolovas | I whish to install mplayer on my box, I've always installed mplayer from source. I want to know if any of you have installed it from a debian package ? Is it recomendable ? |
| 15:52.20 | grendal_prime | and it seems to me that ...well...sending this information just flying around the network....is a bit risky? |
| 15:52.37 | jair_11 | abrotman, what is that apt-build? will get software compiled to make the machine work faster? |
| 15:52.38 | grendal_prime | paolovas, never had a probelm with the package |
| 15:52.39 | abrotman | you konw .. NIS kind of sucks right? |
| 15:52.40 | ircdevil | paolovas: use the source luke |
| 15:52.44 | abrotman | !nis |
| 15:52.44 | dpkg | from memory, nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also NFS.. Network Information Service, or http://www.levenez.com/NeXTSTEP/Xedoc.gif |
| 15:52.52 | abrotman | grendal_prime: ldap might be better |
| 15:52.59 | grendal_prime | well ya... abrotman ok |
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| 15:53.05 | abrotman | jair_11: no .. not really |
| 15:53.08 | jair_11 | abrotman, in my case I install 686 in the top of the 386 2.6.8-2 kernel :) |
| 15:53.24 | tuxbeginner | abrotman: apt-cache policy only shows the priority of the deb mirrors.... |
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| 15:53.29 | grendal_prime | so ldap better how easy is it to...work into a domain situation and is it encrypted by default |
| 15:53.30 | chealer_ | Sebo, ask #debian-kde |
| 15:53.43 | jair_11 | abrotman, are you familiar with NFS? |
| 15:53.46 | abrotman | tuxbeginner: then no idea |
| 15:53.48 | Beik | jem77: ok. next time you can also use http://paste.debian.net/ or http://pastebin.com/. ;) |
| 15:53.56 | priest | abrotman> What is better than NIS? |
| 15:54.00 | Sebo | OK! /j #debian-kde |
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| 15:54.07 | jair_11 | abrotman, with NFS I can distribute anything in my local network? |
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| 15:54.09 | abrotman | for doing what NIS does .. nothing ... |
| 15:54.16 | paolovas | By using the debian package can i have access to all the codecs ? |
| 15:54.17 | abrotman | but using LDAP for auth seems better to me |
| 15:54.24 | grendal_prime | jair_11, nfs is pretty straight foward |
| 15:54.31 | grendal_prime | forward that is |
| 15:54.31 | jethro | abrotman: wrong, nis_ldap is fine |
| 15:54.32 | jair_11 | abrotman, LDAP is my future goal |
| 15:54.38 | paolovas | cause thats the big problem |
| 15:54.40 | abrotman | jethro: ok .. that too :) |
| 15:54.43 | abrotman | bastard frenchie! |
| 15:54.47 | jethro | rfc2307 > * |
| 15:54.48 | jethro | :) |
| 15:55.10 | stew | paolovas: mplayer is not in debian, /msg dpkg marillat ; if you also get the w32codecs from marillat it will play many of the codecs |
| 15:55.21 | abrotman | grendal_prime: i think we need to know a little more about your goals |
| 15:55.21 | jair_11 | grendal_prime, I mean that I can distribute anything even install Linux from the network booting from a floppy disk or usb drive, or even the network? |
| 15:55.22 | jem77 | Beik: I guess I need to get up to speed on some of the collaboration facilities. thx |
| 15:55.34 | grendal_prime | paolovas, like i say never had a problem with the package. there are few situations i can think of wehre you would not get the right codecs for it |
| 15:55.42 | jethro | ~lf abrotman |
| 15:55.45 | apt | abrotman: don't you know we're supposed to be luserfriendly? |
| 15:55.45 | paolovas | ohh |
| 15:55.49 | paolovas | ok. thanks for your comments |
| 15:55.53 | grendal_prime | but they are pretty bizzar situations |
| 15:55.57 | abrotman | !punish jethro for being a softie |
| 15:56.04 | resiak | jethro: bastard! |
| 15:56.18 | grendal_prime | jair_11, sure...all of that is possible |
| 15:56.34 | jair_11 | grendal_prime, it is secure? |
| 15:56.37 | grendal_prime | there are specific installation images for doing each one of those |
| 15:56.43 | jair_11 | it is a web site of it? |
| 15:56.46 | grendal_prime | nfs..i pipe it through vpn |
| 15:56.54 | grendal_prime | openvpn |
| 15:57.00 | jair_11 | ohh ok |
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| 15:57.08 | jair_11 | openvpn I would like to set up that |
| 15:57.14 | Beik | jem77: your mdadm.conf looks good to me... does /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 exist? |
| 15:57.27 | jair_11 | grendal_prime, have you ever set up an openvpn? |
| 15:57.39 | grendal_prime | as far as your install being secure...well hell i mean....how paranoid are ya...you can lock it all they way down where the install wont even work...thats pretty damn secure i think |
| 15:57.48 | grendal_prime | jair_11, yes |
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| 15:58.50 | Beik | jair_11: have also a look at tinc. (i've not followed your conversation) |
| 15:59.24 | grendal_prime | i have openvpn with nfs connecting two servers...a couple of situations like that...i set up sambas on each end and the users have shared resources available at both locations...its done that way for simplicty of the users...its not the best way but it does work |
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| 15:59.59 | Beik | jem77: you can check it with : 'ls -l /dev/ide/host0/bus{0,1}/target1/lun0/part1' |
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| 16:00.15 | jair_11 | Beik, thank you |
| 16:00.21 | jem77 | Beik: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 is not validnot that I can tell. I've always viewed drives as /dev/hdXx or /dev/sdXx. |
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| 16:01.02 | jem77 | Beik: There is no '/dev/ide' dir. |
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| 16:01.03 | ircdevil | why is it that alsa gives me such problems - always. and support is rediculous |
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| 16:01.16 | jair_11 | grendal_prime, ohh ok, because i will be setting up a samba server to share and manage directories between a number of users, but I was wondering if I can do the same using the NFS. |
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| 16:01.53 | Beik | jem77: yes... but ../host0/bus0/target...-notation is from udev(?) or something other. |
| 16:02.19 | Beik | jem77: ok this might be the problem. |
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| 16:03.09 | Beik | jem77: first, backup your config. 'cp /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf.bak' |
| 16:03.14 | samuel | anyone know if hotplug is being replaced by udev? |
| 16:03.15 | Ungy | I have a stupid question I can't figure out how to fix it I have a mount to a NT drive and the owner of the mount is root the file permissions on the mount says only owner can write but I need to be able to write to this directory so do I need to change the way I mount through fstab or do I need to do somethign else and then add my user to the root group? |
| 16:03.35 | jem77 | Beik: ok, backed up |
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| 16:03.50 | petemc | Ungy: what filesystem? ntfs or fat |
| 16:03.51 | resiak | !tell Ungy -about ro-ntfs |
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| 16:04.00 | fbi | Ungy: if it's ntfs you can't write to it |
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| 16:04.10 | Ungy | fbi crap thanks |
| 16:04.14 | jair_11 | grendal_prime, what protocol the openvpn use? pptp? it is secure I heard that was broke? |
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| 16:04.25 | fbi | you cuold try captive-ntfs but even that isn't a sane solution |
| 16:04.31 | fbi | s/cuold/could/ |
| 16:04.40 | resiak | Or you could finish the rw support in the kernel :)( |
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| 16:05.34 | Ungy | funny I can overwrite files but cannot creat new ones ;-( |
| 16:06.02 | asg | Ungy: you need +w for the parent directory to create files |
| 16:06.07 | jethro | fbi: how insane is captive? |
| 16:06.08 | Knight_Lord | Ungy that's because you have write permission on the files yo are overwriting but not in the directory |
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| 16:06.31 | Beik | jem77: now, change /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 to /dev/hdb1 and /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/part1 to /dev/hdc1 in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 16:06.40 | fbi | jethro: no idea, i only know two people who have ever used it and they both lost data |
| 16:06.46 | fbi | i have zero experience with it |
| 16:06.49 | Ungy | hmm I thought since the user I am connecting ot the share with is the NT domain Admin account that has full rights to everythign it shoudl work |
| 16:06.58 | jethro | fbi: I ve been using it for some months now, no problem reported so far |
| 16:07.04 | fbi | i always make a common vfat for linux and windows to share |
| 16:07.16 | fbi | jethro: did i say everyone who uses it has problems? |
| 16:07.19 | fbi | no. |
| 16:07.19 | jethro | so do I but sometimes I need to access the system drive :) |
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| 16:07.39 | jethro | fbi: you said it's not a sane solution without even knowing / having used it. |
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| 16:07.59 | Ungy | jethro is there a package for it? |
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| 16:08.13 | jethro | Ungy: no |
| 16:08.16 | fbi | pointless |
| 16:08.26 | jethro | Ungy: you will need lufs wich is packged though |
| 16:08.30 | jethro | s/wich/which/ |
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| 16:09.02 | jem77 | Beik: alright. conf updated |
| 16:09.18 | Ungy | damn I might just install windows since everythign I do i have to write to this directory |
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| 16:09.46 | jethro | fbi: I usually try to give my opinion on stuff I used, but I avoid spreading fuds as often as I can. </off topic> |
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| 16:09.57 | fbi | Ungy: install windows on a vfat partition and you will have nothing to worry about |
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| 16:10.11 | Beik | jem77: '/etc/init.d/mdadm restart' |
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| 16:10.24 | mike__ | is there a quick way to get debian sarge to adress 2gigs of ram? |
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| 16:10.27 | Ungy | fbi vfat blows |
| 16:10.31 | mike__ | or is a complete recompile in order? |
| 16:10.32 | asg | Ungy: or use a 3rd vfat partition to share files between the two |
| 16:10.51 | Ungy | asg hmm that is an idea or I will just use ftp |
| 16:10.52 | jem77 | Beik: mdadm retarted. |
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| 16:11.14 | asg | Ungy: or ssh. Whatever works most painlessly. |
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| 16:11.17 | brullo | Anyone tried running unstable on a tablet pc? |
| 16:11.25 | jem77 | Beik: still cannot successfully mount /share (which is defined as /dev/md0 in the /etc/fstab) |
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| 16:11.42 | Beik | jem77: 'cat /proc/mdstat | grep md0' |
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| 16:12.03 | asg | !uuoc Beik |
| 16:12.12 | mebsd | how to tell grub to check hard disk boot locations in hard drive, i have a couple os on it |
| 16:12.19 | fusionfox | some joker told me to do rm -r/ and i did, isnt there a way to recover all files again? |
| 16:12.36 | aXp | fusionfox: ;) |
| 16:12.36 | jem77 | Beik: /proc/mdstat displays [raid1] in the personalities, but thats it. Nothing for md0 |
| 16:12.46 | fusionfox | i guess that bad news =P |
| 16:12.57 | Ungy | asg I can ssh into a nt machine? |
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| 16:13.24 | brullo | Ungy, openSSH is available for winnt |
| 16:13.31 | Ungy | ahh lovely ftp works wonders |
| 16:13.40 | asg | Ungy: You could also just use smbfs to mount the winnt shares |
| 16:13.51 | Ungy | asg that is how I am mounting them |
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| 16:14.04 | asg | Ungy: and it's giving you permissions problems? |
| 16:14.35 | brullo | I have a shiny new HP tablet PC (tc4200) anyone tried running unstable on a tablet? |
| 16:14.47 | Ungy | asg yes root has full permisions but my user doesn't |
| 16:15.00 | Ungy | asg I am mounting via fstab |
| 16:15.03 | asg | brullo: if linux runs on it, unstable should also. Check tuxmobile.org for user testimonials |
| 16:15.37 | brullo | asg, thanks! just what I wanted! |
| 16:15.38 | Beik | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.02 | Beik | jem77: 'grep md/0 /proc/mdstat' |
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| 16:16.53 | jem77 | Beik: /proc/mdstat only contains 2 lines: Personalities: [raid1], and unused devices: <none> |
| 16:16.56 | ecliptik | is there anyway to clear S.M.A.R.T. errors? |
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| 16:18.17 | Beik | jem77: i discovered that there is /dev/md/0 in your mdadm.conf, change it to /dev/md0 and restart mdadm |
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| 16:18.25 | asg | Ungy: what are the permissions of the mountpoint you mounted the fs to? |
| 16:18.33 | fusionfox | how can i get apt-get command again? |
| 16:19.04 | asg | fusionfox: /usr/bin/apt-get? that command? |
| 16:19.10 | fusionfox | yeah |
| 16:19.20 | jem77 | Beik: I saw that also, but have no clue about its validity. Changing now. |
| 16:19.24 | asg | fusionfox: what did you do with it? |
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| 16:19.39 | fusionfox | i was asking what was the name of C++ cause i was newb to linux |
| 16:19.47 | fusionfox | and some guy told me to put rm -r / |
| 16:19.48 | nite613 | I've got a box running iptables that routes all my LAN traffic to the net. What is the quickest and easiest way to see the current network flow in KB/sec, preferably with it broken down by source? |
| 16:19.55 | fusionfox | and gues what it did =/ |
| 16:19.56 | bbrazil | nite613: iptraf |
| 16:20.02 | dimir | omg! |
| 16:20.09 | nite613 | bbrazil: I'll take a look, thanks |
| 16:20.12 | bbrazil | nite613: there's alos some package with the word 'monkey' in it |
| 16:20.17 | asg | fusionfox: heh. Get the 'apt' deb from a mirror and 'dpkg -i <deb>' |
| 16:20.22 | jem77 | Beik: made the change, restarted mdadm. /proc/mdstat still reports the same info. |
| 16:20.24 | nite613 | bbrazil: sounds like fun :P |
| 16:20.48 | fusionfox | and how can i do that?, i dont got any packag einstalled not even the browser work |
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| 16:21.02 | fusionfox | i didnt deleted xchat cause i was there >_< |
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| 16:21.15 | asg | fusionfox: you are obviously online now, just use whatever machine your are on now to get it and transfer it to your debian box |
| 16:21.16 | Ungy | asg root:root drwxr-xr-x |
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| 16:21.56 | fusionfox | asg: ehh this is my only box and i got 128K, will delay a day resintalling cause i net installed |
| 16:21.57 | asg | Ungy: try making a group for the mountpoint to own, add the user to the group, make the perms 'chmod 2775' |
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| 16:22.25 | asg | fusionfox: the apt deb is not that large. Do you have 'wget' on that box? |
| 16:22.28 | Beik | btw: some hints from 'dmesg'? |
| 16:22.33 | Ungy | asg I am the only one who uses this machine so shoudl I add it to myself? |
| 16:22.35 | fusionfox | asg, letme try |
| 16:22.51 | fusionfox | bash: wget: command not found |
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| 16:23.18 | asg | fusionfox: how about ftp |
| 16:23.27 | fusionfox | neithe |
| 16:23.30 | asg | Ungy: if you wish (at least to see if it solves the problem.) |
| 16:23.30 | fusionfox | neither... |
| 16:23.49 | asg | fusionfox: then maybe someone here can download the deb and dcc it to you. I would be I'm firewalled. |
| 16:24.15 | Ungy | asg I have to umount all the drives first right? |
| 16:24.23 | asg | Ungy: yes |
| 16:24.36 | Ungy | cool thanks |
| 16:25.08 | fusionfox | can anyone send me apt command plsea?? |
| 16:25.30 | drac | !confuse fusionfox |
| 16:25.31 | dpkg | Yes, those was your pants yesterday, fusionfox? wellies of the republic of tibet with extra crabpaste |
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| 16:25.57 | asg | drac: he's erased most of /bin and possible /sbin and /usr/{sbin,bin} |
| 16:25.59 | fusionfox | =P really i dont have it and dont got time to net reinstal lagain |
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| 16:26.13 | jethro | fusionfox: you'd better reinstall at this point |
| 16:26.17 | asg | fusionfox: depending on how much damage was caused, you might need more than that package anyway |
| 16:26.23 | drac | asg: hah! |
| 16:26.44 | asg | fusionfox: if you don't have things like cat, grep, etc, you will likely spend more time fixing that just reinstalling. |
| 16:26.58 | fusionfox | mehhgg need to make a final test in C =S and test is in 2 hours net reinstalling will take me 10 hours |
| 16:27.39 | fusionfox | isnt apt package in netinstall cd?? |
| 16:28.04 | asg | fusionfox: no |
| 16:28.14 | fusionfox | dang... |
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| 16:28.33 | asg | fusionfox: it will be on a standard debian install cd but not the netinstall. |
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| 16:29.12 | grendal_prime | heyyyyyyyyyy its thingfish ...hey bro hows the thang... |
| 16:29.16 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 16:29.28 | thingfish | hehe hey grendal_prime, how's it going. |
| 16:29.36 | redlounge | hi. anyone knows a good tutorial for encrypting an external usb hdd? |
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| 16:30.12 | asg | redlounge: there was one on debian-administration.org a month ago or so. |
| 16:30.22 | asg | redlounge: covered local drives but that shouldn't matter |
| 16:30.35 | Kurt2 | kill -9 $(ps -C ogo-webui-1.0 -o pid r --no-headers) |
| 16:30.41 | grendal_prime | working on tying all my shit together with some sort of nis solution.. abrotman is recommending ldap..wich sounds pretty consistant with what im reading.. (not that i was questioning him he seems to know his shit thats for sure) |
| 16:30.50 | redlounge | asg: i already have one to encrypt local partitions... |
| 16:31.06 | grendal_prime | and boy can i kiss ass or what |
| 16:31.07 | asg | redlounge: then there is no reason that wouldn't work on an external usb drive |
| 16:31.15 | thingfish | grendal_prime: yeah he seems to know a thing or two. |
| 16:31.15 | tuxbeginner | abrotman: can I use this in any way: http://www.df7cb.de/debian/debup2date/debup2date |
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| 16:31.40 | nite613 | bbrazil: iptraf kicks butt; thanks! |
| 16:31.42 | grendal_prime | ohh by the way i saw something kinda interesting in taho last weeknd guys.. |
| 16:31.43 | redlounge | asg: i got it to work, but if i put something in fstab i get an error during reboot... dont know what to do |
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| 16:31.53 | grendal_prime | a tuxracer coinopp game |
| 16:32.06 | redlounge | asg: error because the usb drive is not connected... |
| 16:32.25 | possie | is there away to let the OS cache the readdir syscal? cause i have a directory with around 200.000 other dirs in it, (over nfs) and it takes about 2minutes before the ls will show the files. |
| 16:32.31 | grendal_prime | was totally cool...my 4 year old daughter walked up and screemed...daddy daddy..its TUXRACER!! |
| 16:32.33 | possie | or anyone have a other usefull tip |
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| 16:33.03 | grendal_prime | AND IT WAS ONLY A QUARTER TO PLAY!! |
| 16:33.50 | grendal_prime | iptraf... dont anyone show nite613 ettercap |
| 16:33.59 | grendal_prime | he will wet his pants |
| 16:34.11 | asg | redlounge: can you manually mount it after the machine boots? |
| 16:34.46 | redlounge | asg: did not try that, i had to remove the entry from fstab to continue booting. and the i can not mount it manually |
| 16:34.48 | asg | possie: I thought the OS already cached that. If not, ask ##kernelnewbies |
| 16:35.08 | asg | redlounge: that's likely due to the mounts trying to come up before you have usb support enabled. |
| 16:35.12 | bbrazil | grendal_prime: its best never to show anyone ettercap |
| 16:35.31 | redlounge | asg: maybe, but i do not want to have it connected all the time anyway |
| 16:36.09 | redlounge | asg: any hint how to mount it without an entry in fstab? how are usb drives normally mounted when plugged in? |
| 16:36.20 | asg | redlounge: no matter, you could use autofs to mount it on use if it is connected without fstab. There is a howto on doing that at debian-administration.org also :) |
| 16:36.21 | grendal_prime | i got a questioin a little off subject but kinda confusing ...i dont understand why people dont like nearly naked blonds washing cars..and eating cheeze burgers.. i mean seriously what is wrong with that ad |
| 16:36.31 | possie | asg: k thanks |
| 16:36.52 | redlounge | asg: ok, i will have a look at it. thx |
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| 16:37.02 | possie | asg, btw why two times # ?? :-) |
| 16:37.29 | asg | possie: some channels are reserved |
| 16:37.31 | cahoot | grendal_prime: would appreciate if your daughter was exposed that way? |
| 16:37.48 | possie | asg: ## denotes a reserved channel? |
| 16:37.51 | asg | possie: reserved official channels get one # |
| 16:37.53 | grendal_prime | my daughter is 4 years old..ya werido |
| 16:38.07 | cahoot | grendal_prime: think ahead |
| 16:38.08 | asg | possie: or something like that. freenode's site should have the policy. |
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| 16:39.22 | grendal_prime | i dont own my daughter im training her to be a resposible adult and ill tell ya if she can have as much control over her own destiny as paris hilton. id say she was not doing to bad |
| 16:39.38 | pipeline | too late for that |
| 16:39.44 | pipeline | Your daughter, you see, made a critical mistake |
| 16:39.47 | pipeline | She wasn't born wealthy |
| 16:40.12 | grendal_prime | Your assuming way to much |
| 16:40.18 | grendal_prime | maby she was |
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| 16:40.36 | zinx | grendal_prime: rich people have better spelling/grammar ;) |
| 16:40.50 | grendal_prime | hehehe..thats an idiotic statement |
| 16:40.57 | JonJ | I need some help making a perl script for xchat. I want to make a script for delaying join to a channel, and also for several servers, I've figured as much that I need to utilize the IRC::server_list() but How to make it join two different channels on separate servers based on the input/info from IRC::server_list()? |
| 16:40.58 | beardy | No. |
| 16:41.02 | grendal_prime | rich people do not have to know how to spell |
| 16:41.12 | cahoot | just count |
| 16:41.12 | asg | JonJ: have you tried #perl |
| 16:41.15 | zinx | grendal_prime: you know it's true, that's all that matters ;) |
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| 16:42.32 | grendal_prime | ircchat is not the place to worry about spelling |
| 16:42.35 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 16:42.43 | jazzyboy | hi, I just upgraded to kernel 2.6.12 from 2.6.10 and when booting the system I see this message while trying to start the ALSA service: Setting up ALSA.../etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'No state is present for card S51'. done. |
| 16:43.01 | grendal_prime | not that my spelling is all that great..but guess what it has little relivance in the cockpit |
| 16:43.11 | jazzyboy | the sound works anyway but it didn't happen with kernel 2.6.10, anybody experienced similar problem? |
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| 16:43.21 | beardy | grendal_prime: It makes you look like an idiot, if irc is the oonly way someone talks/knows you through. |
| 16:43.40 | grendal_prime | your right...im an idiot |
| 16:43.48 | stew | you're* :) |
| 16:43.55 | grendal_prime | exactly |
| 16:44.01 | cahoot | jazzyboy: might be different versions of alsa has different naming of controls |
| 16:44.03 | grendal_prime | and you knew what i was saying didnt you |
| 16:44.04 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 16:44.12 | xelam | "irc chat" |
| 16:44.14 | SuperSox | ..It's better to remain quiet than open your mouth and remove all doubt... |
| 16:44.17 | xelam | like "pin number" |
| 16:44.19 | Pryon | atm machine |
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| 16:44.35 | jazzyboy | cahoot: different version of alsa in the kernel? |
| 16:44.37 | Pryon | automatic atm machine |
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| 16:44.39 | grendal_prime | mygodwhatthehellhappend??? |
| 16:45.08 | xelam | your space bar broke? |
| 16:45.22 | cahoot | jazzyboy: yes - that happends |
| 16:45.28 | grendal_prime | imsorryiwokeupthismorningandpoofIwasaasshole. |
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| 16:45.46 | asg | grendal_prime: without a shift key to boot |
| 16:45.55 | asg | *space |
| 16:46.53 | beardy | What I mean is, if you know how to spell and have a good knowledge about grammar, you should use it, it doesn't matter where, in a paper letter or on irc. I'm not saying people are idiots if they just haven't got the skills, but not using them if you do, is idiotic. |
| 16:47.38 | asg | beardy: don't forget, correcting people's grammar on irc will get you yelled at by the cabal |
| 16:47.38 | brullo | Microsoft was at my work today and showed some new stuff. |
| 16:47.38 | jazzyboy | cahoot: do you please have an idea of how I could proceed to get rid of the message? |
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| 16:48.33 | thingfish | grendal_prime: you said something about being in the cockpit - are you a pilot? |
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| 16:48.53 | stew | tinc |
| 16:48.55 | grendal_prime | beardy, when it comes down to it. you can bitch about something or move on and get it done |
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| 16:49.07 | grendal_prime | ya thingfish instrument rated at the end of this month |
| 16:49.13 | thingfish | wow, nice! |
| 16:49.18 | beardy | asg: Yeah, it's better not to try and correct people. I just stated what I meant/thought. (which can be stupid to do too though) |
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| 16:49.39 | asg | beardy: I agree with you. |
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| 16:49.51 | beardy | grendal_prime: Exactly. |
| 16:49.57 | grendal_prime | i was just joking around about the paris thing and it reched. this |
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| 16:50.06 | grendal_prime | reached that is |
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| 16:50.09 | beardy | grendal_prime: But the offtopic was started by you this time. |
| 16:50.16 | brosio | how can i remove a package with also all the linked package that it has installed ? |
| 16:50.26 | fbi | what would cause my server to flood me with DriveSeekErrors immediately after booting? |
| 16:50.33 | beardy | grendal_prime: Let's move on. |
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| 16:50.42 | grendal_prime | thingfish, where are you again? |
| 16:50.53 | grendal_prime | your near sf right? |
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| 16:51.03 | tarzeau | takatumi: join #bub-n-bros http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
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| 16:51.27 | phogg | fbi: could be a disk going bad. I'd run a smart check. Could also be a loose cable, depending on which error it is. |
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| 16:52.04 | redlounge | asg: one more question... i can normally mount my encrypted usb drive without fstab now. how can i mount it as a normal user, no root? pmount is not working |
| 16:52.05 | kryl | hi |
| 16:52.18 | Beik | jem77: ok. I'm back again. 'mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/hdb1' |
| 16:52.28 | grendal_prime | by the way... abrotman im pretty handy with postgresql and i knowticed there was a connection app for it and pam. have you ever seen anyone use that in a sort of nis type way? |
| 16:52.46 | kryl | I just want to know if it is possible to remake my database if I delete the following directory : /var/lib/apt |
| 16:52.59 | asg | redlounge: look at user,uid,gid options in mount(8) |
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| 16:53.07 | phogg | kryl: don't do that |
| 16:53.11 | Anders | why does udev conflict with hotplug in sid? |
| 16:53.15 | Ankka | hello I was going to download debian, but on the mirrors there are about 12 .iso images. I thought one would be enough |
| 16:53.27 | beardy | !di Ankka |
| 16:53.34 | brullo | One of the MS representatives recommended a Linuxsolution for Internettraffic control. Incredible. |
| 16:53.43 | beardy | !d-i Ankka |
| 16:53.44 | dpkg | Ankka, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:53.49 | kryl | phogg, Too late ... |
| 16:53.57 | kryl | my question is how to rebuild the database :) |
| 16:53.59 | jem77 | Beik: mdadm: cannot get array info for /dev/md0 |
| 16:54.18 | jem77 | Do you think I should undo my changes to mdadm.conf? |
| 16:54.30 | beardy | Ankka: If you have a better than dialup internet connection, installing with the netinstaller is the best way in most cases. |
| 16:54.43 | Ankka | oh, ok |
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| 16:54.58 | Ankka | thanks for the hint |
| 16:55.02 | Ankka | I guess I'll try it |
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| 16:56.26 | beardy | Ankka: With the netinstaller you install a small base-system from the cd, and then when you run aptitude or apt-get (to install packages), the packages are downloaded and installed for you. |
| 16:56.30 | Beik | jem77: you can undo the changes whenever you want by 'cp /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf.bak /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf.bak'. but I would first try to reboot with the new config. |
| 16:56.31 | beardy | Ankka: no problem |
| 16:56.40 | saik0 | Can a debian server keep windows user's profile data and serve it to workstation across a network, so that users can have consitant desktop,s cookies, etc? |
| 16:56.48 | Vooloo | I have a webhost account somewhere, and I want to run a backup system at home, what would be the most efficiant way of backuping all serverside files and sql databases to my debian box at home, daily, weekly etc.? Is there already a solution somewhere? |
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| 16:57.05 | brullo | saik0, client OS? |
| 16:57.07 | Ankka | beardy: well, I knew what would happen... I was just propably too cautious about a net installation |
| 16:57.16 | jem77 | Beik: ok, the box is rebooting now. |
| 16:57.18 | Beik | jem77: argh... by cp /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf.bak /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 16:57.20 | AzMoo | Vooloo, cron + rsync |
| 16:57.22 | beardy | Ankka: Ok. |
| 16:57.33 | jem77 | Beik: I knew what you meant |
| 16:57.43 | asg | saik0: check 'Using Samba 2nd Edition' at www.oreilly.com/openbook and also at samba.org |
| 16:57.50 | Vooloo | AzMoo: thanks |
| 16:57.53 | Beik | jem77: that's good. |
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| 16:58.09 | jem77 | Beik: note, I did not undo our changes. I simply rebooted for now. If that doesn't work, then I'll try mucking with the config file some more. |
| 16:58.10 | xerophyte | is there any bad ip block lists where i can get the list and block on my servers ? |
| 16:58.15 | saik0 | Brullo: I have only used linux as desktop |
| 16:58.31 | saik0 | so I'm a bit cluless on server software |
| 16:58.39 | asg | xerophyte: better to block everything and allow only what you need. |
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| 16:58.55 | asg | xerophyte: no enumerated list will ever be completely useful. |
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| 16:59.05 | brullo | saik0, I meant, what is the Windows version on your clients? XP? |
| 16:59.12 | saik0 | brullo: yes |
| 16:59.13 | kryl | I lost the installed package database, not the serveur available lists |
| 16:59.17 | aarkerio | hi, somebody is using mono-apache-server ? |
| 16:59.19 | kryl | anybody can helps pls ? |
| 16:59.24 | jem77 | Beik: It came back up!!! Holy crap. |
| 16:59.32 | asg | kryl: /msg dpkg available |
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| 16:59.41 | madclicker | how do i disable a user account? |
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| 16:59.54 | xerophyte | asg, its webserver which has many website on it .. so i need the whole internet is allowed but wanna block the bad guys |
| 16:59.56 | asg | madclicker: usermod -L user will lock the password |
| 17:00.00 | brullo | saik0, Ok, I think samba3 can only emulate a NT-PDC. You will not ave grouppolicy support as in 2003AD etc. |
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| 17:00.15 | asg | madclicker: however, if you allow ssh, they might have keys. If you are using pam, that won't work either. |
| 17:00.16 | Beik | jem77: is it working!? 'cat /proc/mdstat' |
| 17:00.21 | jem77 | Beik: Now, looking at /proc/mdstat shows some more interesting stuff. How do I know that both disks in the mirror are valid. |
| 17:00.45 | asg | xerophyte: I don't know of any lists of 'bad guys'. You might check sans.org or cert |
| 17:00.54 | madclicker | asg, thanks |
| 17:01.00 | kryl | asg? :) |
| 17:01.09 | Beik | jem77: an i always thought rebooting is for wimps ;) |
| 17:01.13 | madclicker | asg, what about pop3 login? |
| 17:01.15 | xerophyte | asg, is it possible to make one with lots of server connected reporting it |
| 17:01.16 | asg | !tell kryl about available |
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| 17:01.34 | kryl | :) |
| 17:01.35 | asg | xerophyte: sure, /etc/hosts.deny, iptables, allow/deny rules in apache, etc. |
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| 17:01.39 | kryl | thank you asg |
| 17:01.54 | asg | madclicker: is pop3 authenticating via /etc/shadow? |
| 17:02.05 | jem77 | Beik: hahah. I just pasted my mdstat to: http://paste.debian.net/2264 |
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| 17:02.27 | brosio | how can i remove a package with also all the linked package that it has installed ? |
| 17:02.34 | saik0 | brullo: thanks. I didnt even know samba did anything exept file/printer sharing. looking into it now |
| 17:02.38 | madclicker | asg, yeap, unix user |
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| 17:03.09 | asg | madclicker: then usermod -L should do the trick (it just puts a character in the password field in front of the hash that could never appear in the hash causing all password auth against the hash to fail.) |
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| 17:03.19 | meriad | is there a "proper" way to restart a DHCP Server? |
| 17:03.21 | saik0 | asg: thanks for the openbook link |
| 17:03.32 | asg | meriad: /etc/init.d/<dhcpfoo> restart |
| 17:03.32 | brullo | saik0, I use a debian/samba3 server at work for sharing of videos to XP clients via LAN. Uptime 17 months now. |
| 17:03.35 | asg | saik0: you're welcome |
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| 17:03.45 | madclicker | asg, roger |
| 17:03.47 | madclicker | thanks |
| 17:03.49 | asg | np |
| 17:04.18 | brullo | saik0, 'apt-cache show swat' might be of interest for you |
| 17:04.49 | saik0 | I'm on a windows workstation, but I'll look into that too |
| 17:04.52 | Beik | jem77: looks just fine! you can check it with 'mdadm --detail /dev/md0' |
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| 17:05.27 | saik0 | Always wondered this about admins boasting their uptimes...is'nt it good to update your kernel every few months at least? |
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| 17:05.33 | jethro | brullo: 17 months is way too long for an uptime. I advise a reboot every 3 4 months to avoid filesystem problems |
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| 17:05.44 | jethro | saik0: that, and fscking the partitions |
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| 17:06.00 | brullo | jethro, Ok, I did not know that. What can happen? |
| 17:06.22 | jem77 | Beik: reposted output to: http://paste.debian.net/2265 |
| 17:06.27 | jethro | brullo: data loss? |
| 17:06.37 | albo | why does cp have -x (stay on 1 partition) but rsync does not |
| 17:06.48 | kryl | bye all |
| 17:06.50 | jem77 | Beik: thanks again for all your help! Now, if I only knew *what* happened! |
| 17:06.51 | kryl | thanks asg |
| 17:07.14 | brullo | jethro, Ok, my users only reads from the disks, I am the only one saving new movies on the HD. |
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| 17:07.35 | stew | albo: rsync does |
| 17:07.46 | albo | stew: ok. well i search the man page for "partit" and nothing |
| 17:08.00 | stew | albo: -x, --one-file-system don't cross filesystem boundaries |
| 17:08.08 | jethro | brullo: you'll think about it at your next boot, when all partitions will be checked because they haven't been for too long :) |
| 17:08.26 | Beik | jem77: Congratulation. Everything looks like you have got a clean & working raid-1 setup! Both partitions are active. |
| 17:08.32 | brullo | jethro, shit man...I will try it out tomorrow |
| 17:08.43 | albo | stew: what does filesystem mean |
| 17:09.01 | jem77 | Beik: dude, thx again! btw, are you in DE? |
| 17:09.04 | jethro | brullo: I don't recall what's the default for ext and reiser, but it's around 130 days IIRC |
| 17:09.18 | brosio | how can i remove a package with also all the linked package that it has installed ? |
| 17:09.26 | Beik | jem77: Yes im in Germany. ... |
| 17:09.34 | brullo | jethro, Ok, I use ext3 journalling FS |
| 17:09.59 | jem77 | Beik: I lived in HD for 7 years -- wish I was still there. |
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| 17:10.36 | saik0 | ugh we outsource our network admistration to a moron |
| 17:10.45 | Beik | jem77: HD=Heidelberg,right? |
| 17:10.45 | angelhl | dddd |
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| 17:10.52 | stew | albo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem |
| 17:11.03 | eeyore- | morning |
| 17:11.11 | jem77 | Beik: yes, Heidelberg. |
| 17:11.13 | saik0 | our Windows 2000 server here has the root system drive shared |
| 17:11.15 | brullo | jethro, Is adding a reboot as a cronjob every 2-3 months a crazy idea? |
| 17:11.17 | angelhl | hablas en españo l |
| 17:11.23 | angelhl | fefefedf |
| 17:11.26 | jethro | brullo: see man tune2fs, specifically -c and -i, you'll understand why you need to fsck sometimes :) |
| 17:11.28 | angelhl | jjjjjjjjjjjjjjj |
| 17:11.33 | eeyore- | brullo: pretty much |
| 17:11.52 | jethro | brullo: yes, that would be crazy. this kind of maintainance has do be done manually imho |
| 17:11.54 | gsnedders | anybody able to recommend a ethernet PCI card that'll work out of the box? |
| 17:11.55 | eeyore- | jethro: tune2fs -c0 -C0 -i0 :-) |
| 17:12.00 | jethro | eeyore-: :) |
| 17:12.04 | brullo | jethro, ok |
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| 17:12.37 | jethro | brullo: of course, don't do what eeyore- just said about tune2fs :p |
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| 17:13.12 | aidehua | How often is /var/tmp cleared? Is it just at the whim of a sysadmin? |
| 17:13.14 | Beik | jem77: but now you are located in the usa? |
| 17:13.20 | eeyore- | brullo: you can just completely disable checking with "tune2fs -c0 -C0 -i0 /dev/...", and while you're at it, disable atime update with mount option "noatime" |
| 17:13.27 | Zvpun | I have to ssh to enable internet (student account). Is there a way to do this automatically during startup? I have to type the password, we didn't get certificates. |
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| 17:13.32 | jethro | eeyore-: why would you do that? |
| 17:13.38 | eeyore- | jethro: atime? |
| 17:13.46 | jethro | eeyore-: no, disable checking |
| 17:14.04 | brullo | jethro, eeyore- hmm...to be or not to be, that is thy question. |
| 17:14.06 | jem77 | Beik: yes, Maryland -- moved here about 2.5yrs ago. |
| 17:14.09 | eeyore- | jethro: it's not likely to go bad with that sort of infrequent access |
| 17:14.24 | Anthro | I'm looking for a network sniffer that will show me packets per second for each source-destination IP pair. I'd prefer a curses interface similar to top. Does anyone know of such a thing? |
| 17:14.30 | jethro | depending on the data, I wouldn't count on a "not likely" statement |
| 17:14.43 | eeyore- | jethro: if you're writings lots and lots of tiny files and maybe deleting lots and lots of files very frequently sure, i wouldn't disable it |
| 17:14.54 | Anthro | jem77: MD is a fine place to be. |
| 17:15.06 | eeyore- | jethro: he's writing movies to disk right? most of it is read-only access. safe. |
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| 17:16.04 | pabs3 | anyone using the linux-image 2.6.13 package from experimental? |
| 17:16.16 | compguy1011 | no idea |
| 17:16.18 | compguy1011 | lol |
| 17:16.41 | jem77 | Anthro: I love it here... but I really enjoyed my time in Germany. |
| 17:16.53 | jethro | eeyore-: I wouldn't feel safe with no filesystem checkings, but that's my point of view :) |
| 17:17.06 | Anthro | jem77: Nothing wrong with Germany, either, but I prefer it here. |
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| 17:17.12 | abrotman | grendal_prime: no |
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| 17:17.23 | Anthro | jem77: Not that I've been to Germany, so I suppose I don't have much basis for that. |
| 17:17.36 | Beik | jem77: hey, I never was there, but wikipedia has some nice info about it. |
| 17:17.50 | eeyore- | jethro: there are always circumstances you don't need checking :-) how about flash media? execute-in-place ext2? |
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| 17:18.08 | gsnedders | anybody able to recommend a ethernet PCI card that'll work out of the box? |
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| 17:18.22 | jethro | eeyore-: I never heard of execute-in-place, but I agree for flash media :) |
| 17:18.29 | Anthro | gsnedders: I've been happy with Tulip-based cards. |
| 17:18.32 | jem77 | Anthro: nothing like sitting outside a 600 year old castle drinking German beer. ;) |
| 17:19.00 | thingfish | that sounds like major fun. |
| 17:19.02 | eeyore- | jethro: it's a new optimization feature for ext2. makes it worthwhile to use on flash/mmc devices |
| 17:19.04 | Beik | jem77: Dring your time in germany you maybe remembered, that shops are closing at evening.... |
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| 17:19.27 | jethro | eeyore-: I'll have to look at it, thanks for the info |
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| 17:19.51 | Danar | can someone help me figure out why some apps hang on startup? i did an strace on gedit and eog, and both give something like this: |
| 17:19.53 | saik0 | off topic: Does IE have security issues as a browser or is it the msthml rendering engine |
| 17:19.54 | Danar | bind(15, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(1018), sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 17:19.54 | Danar | connect(15, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(111), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16 |
| 17:19.55 | Anthro | jem77: Heh. Nothing like living near the Smithsonian and other institutions that make me feel good about where my tax money goes? |
| 17:19.57 | Beik | jem77: and so I only have 40minutes left to buy me some fine food. ;) |
| 17:19.59 | jem77 | Beik: yeah, that kinda stinks that things close early (compared to the US) |
| 17:20.09 | eeyore- | jethro: and for simulators :-) we used to spend quite a lot of cycles copying stuff from ext2 to memory, all emulated ... |
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| 17:20.15 | Danar | that's where they stop |
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| 17:20.32 | sgt-chaves | hey |
| 17:20.36 | yang26 | Someone knows the basic setup fees to get RIPE IP addresses? |
| 17:20.41 | eeyore- | but anyhow now we have memory-mapped devices so it's not a big deal |
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| 17:20.55 | stew | Danar: that bind call looks like non root trying to bind to a privileged (<1024) port which is not allowed |
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| 17:21.35 | Danar | stew, i suspect i need to give something suid, but don't know what |
| 17:21.44 | eeyore- | Danar: not for gedit |
| 17:21.48 | Beik | jem77: It was a great pleasure for me to refresh my raid knowledge. Maybe we will meet again at #debian. |
| 17:22.01 | Danar | gedit, eog, and k3b take several minutes to start up |
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| 17:22.19 | Danar | and i can't log in to gnome, and kde takes ~10-20 mins to log in |
| 17:22.29 | jem77 | Beik: thanks for all your help. I would probably still be cursing if you hadn't stepped in to help. |
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| 17:22.42 | jem77 | Beik: now go get your dinner! |
| 17:22.47 | eeyore- | Danar: do you perhaps have "famd" or something? |
| 17:22.52 | Danar | nope |
| 17:22.54 | Beik | jem77: yes! ;) |
| 17:23.03 | jarjar26 | Hi all , Xen stop working after i have do apt-get dist-upgrade... what can i do to resolve this issue ? |
| 17:23.26 | Danar | eeyore-, way back someone told me it was evil and i got rid of it :p |
| 17:23.31 | eeyore- | Danar: why it would want port 1018 i don't know :-) strace them and try to find out, i guess |
| 17:23.35 | stew | Danar: since its also connecting to 111 this suggests nfs, could it be trying to access some nfs share which is timing out? |
| 17:23.36 | grendal_prime | has anyone ever had an issue with certain pieces of a flash app not showing up? |
| 17:23.37 | xoz | Danar: make sure your hostaname points to proper ip address. |
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| 17:23.39 | Zvpun | I have to ssh to enable internet (student account). Is there a way to do this automatically during startup? I have to type the password, we didn't get certificates. |
| 17:23.40 | Danar | eeyore-, that is an strace |
| 17:23.53 | eeyore- | Danar: give some more context surrounding the line? |
| 17:24.22 | Danar | #flood |
| 17:24.23 | flogiston | What command do i use to see the version number of a program. I this case fluxbox |
| 17:24.32 | cpt_nemo | Danar: sometimes a missing lo interface does that. |
| 17:24.41 | stew | flogiston: dpkg -l fluxbox ; or apt-cache policy fluxbox |
| 17:24.46 | Danar | cpt_nemo, i can ping myself |
| 17:24.48 | cpt_nemo | Port 111 is the portmapper, which is used for all RPC-Services. |
| 17:24.54 | flogiston | Stew: Thanks |
| 17:24.56 | fbi | flogiston: fluxbox -version also works |
| 17:24.56 | cpt_nemo | Danar: How? |
| 17:25.06 | Danar | cpt_nemo, 'ping 127.0.0.1' |
| 17:25.11 | cpt_nemo | Hm. |
| 17:25.24 | cpt_nemo | Firewall blocking access to port 111? |
| 17:25.25 | Danar | eeyore-, #flood |
| 17:25.30 | xoz | Danar: try ping <your hostname> |
| 17:25.49 | Danar | xoz, that works too |
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| 17:26.34 | Danar | a little while ago, i had the wrong permissions on ping, and when i fixed it everything worked fine. but now it doesn't work again, but ping is still fine |
| 17:26.38 | stew | Danar: do you have any nfs volumes mounted? |
| 17:26.39 | cpt_nemo | Danar: It is usually a good idea to accept everything on the lo interface in the iptables setup. |
| 17:26.41 | Inflate | hello, the apt-get command take long time to update db, who know how can I rebuild db of installed programs? |
| 17:26.48 | flogiston | If i want to change in to a kernel thats optimized for Athlon xp. Is there any good guide for that. at the moment i'm running the 386 kernel. |
| 17:26.52 | Danar | stew, no |
| 17:27.04 | Inflate | hello, the apt-get command take long time to update db of installed programs, who know how can I rebuild db of installed programs? |
| 17:27.11 | stew | flogiston: you want a 2.4 kernel or a 2.6 kernel? are you running sarge or etch? (stable or testing)? |
| 17:27.22 | cpt_nemo | stew: Accesses to port 111 do not necessarily indicate NFS. NIS among other things uses it, too. |
| 17:27.23 | flogiston | I'm running sarge |
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| 17:27.30 | eeyore- | flogiston: just install the one for athlon and reboot :-) |
| 17:27.45 | flogiston | If i want to choos on boot? |
| 17:27.45 | stew | flogiston: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 17:27.49 | xoz | Danar: what about other xclients? no delay? |
| 17:27.52 | Danar | cpt_nemo, i do |
| 17:28.02 | eeyore- | xoz: they would (hopefully) use unix sockets |
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| 17:28.15 | eeyore- | Danar: have you been tweaking stuffs? :-) |
| 17:28.18 | Danar | stew, when i try to save files in firefox and mozilla (and gedit after it runs) it hangs again |
| 17:28.37 | xoz | Danar: check if you have free space. df -h |
| 17:28.43 | Danar | eeyore-, with what little knowledge i have, i guess |
| 17:28.58 | cpt_nemo | xoz: Good one. |
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| 17:29.02 | Danar | 214M free |
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| 17:29.19 | Danar | but how would that cause network problems? |
| 17:29.29 | eeyore- | Danar: do an strace and post it somewhere, i dislike #flood |
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| 17:30.20 | Danar | http://rafb.net/paste/results/4Iyxnj39.html |
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| 17:30.33 | cr3 | how can I convert a text file from utf-8 encoded to latin-1? I'm using vim but I'm open to other programs for the conversion |
| 17:31.01 | valdyn | cr3: recode |
| 17:31.07 | Inflate | hello, the apt-get command take long time to update db of installed programs, who know how can I rebuild db of installed programs? |
| 17:31.09 | cpt_nemo | cr3: recode does that. But I find it weird to use. |
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| 17:31.29 | cr3 | aha! iconv too! |
| 17:31.43 | cr3 | I remember that program being distributed with glibc |
| 17:31.59 | stew | Inflate: i don't believe there is a way to rebuild the db of installed programs |
| 17:32.23 | Inflate | i the /var/lib/dpkg/status file |
| 17:32.23 | valdyn | Inflate: dpkg --get-selections to grab it, dpkg --set-selections to set it |
| 17:32.27 | valdyn | Inflate: for details.. man dpkg |
| 17:32.44 | Inflate | ok thank you |
| 17:32.54 | valdyn | Inflate: im not sure if there is a point in doing that at all though |
| 17:33.00 | aarkerio | hi, somebody is using mono-apache-server ? |
| 17:33.06 | xoz | Inflate: check if you have /var/lib/dpkg/status-old |
| 17:33.18 | Inflate | yes I have it |
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| 17:33.35 | xoz | Inflate: you can use it as a starting point |
| 17:33.44 | stew | Inflate: also you may have backups in /var/backups |
| 17:33.59 | cpt_nemo | Danar: Does it hang after the last line? |
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| 17:34.06 | stew | i don't think dpkg --get-selections works without a /var/lib/dpkg/status file |
| 17:34.07 | Danar | cpt_nemo, yes |
| 17:34.23 | cpt_nemo | So it can't bind to 127.0.0.1. |
| 17:34.32 | valdyn | stew: right, but hes just complaining that its to slow, not that its missing |
| 17:34.39 | Danar | cpt_nemo, both gedit and eog hang on startup and give nearly identical output |
| 17:34.42 | Inflate | but when i use status-old, what will happend to new installed programs ( programs installed after the creation of status-old)? |
| 17:34.43 | cpt_nemo | s/bind/connect/ |
| 17:34.53 | redlounge | can i mount a smbfs with german charset (some filenames are not correct right now)? |
| 17:34.58 | cpt_nemo | Gnome programs make all kinds of weird connections in the background. |
| 17:35.03 | xelam | sorry you have to use English |
| 17:35.05 | stew | valdyn: oh maybe i'm misunderstanding what he's asking about when he mentioned "rebuilding" |
| 17:35.07 | Inflate | apt will stay see him? |
| 17:35.09 | valdyn | Inflate: you might have files around that are not covered by dpkg, that's ugly |
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| 17:35.22 | cpt_nemo | Have you checked your iptables? |
| 17:35.31 | cosminb | hi all |
| 17:35.34 | cosminb | i'm new here |
| 17:35.43 | Danar | it should be allowing everything to localhost... except invalid icmp, perhaps |
| 17:35.46 | mfrisch | ;-) |
| 17:35.51 | cosminb | and i have a problem compiling an app |
| 17:35.54 | eeyore- | Danar: restart portmapper |
| 17:36.01 | eeyore- | Danar: /etc/init.d/portmap restart |
| 17:36.03 | cosminb | dctc - direct connect text client |
| 17:36.15 | cosminb | can i ask in here? |
| 17:36.22 | stew | do you get a connection when you "telnet localhost 111" ? |
| 17:36.28 | Danar | command not found |
| 17:36.32 | mfrisch | cosminb I believe there is a package? |
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| 17:36.39 | eeyore- | Danar: huh? |
| 17:36.40 | cpt_nemo | eeyore-: If portmapper weren't there it wouldn't hang. It would return. |
| 17:36.42 | stew | cpt_nemo: what makes you say that he cannot connect to localhost? i don't see anything to suggest that |
| 17:36.42 | cosminb | yes, but i want to compile from sources |
| 17:36.51 | cpt_nemo | stew: That's tcp! |
| 17:36.59 | eeyore- | cpt_nemo: mmmmmm |
| 17:37.11 | cosminb | i went to debian site, and there are 3 archives for the source of dctc |
| 17:37.13 | stew | cpt_nemo: in fact the first strace he posted showed a successfull connection to localhost:111 |
| 17:37.16 | Danar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.31 | cpt_nemo | stew: I only saw the one at rafb.net |
| 17:37.51 | cosminb | there is a .dsc (description i presume), a .diff.gz, and an .orig.tar.gz |
| 17:37.59 | eeyore- | what's the portmapper script called in /etc/init.d/? |
| 17:38.09 | Danar | um, i got this when i logged in with su: http://rafb.net/paste/results/OAdToh15.html |
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| 17:38.21 | cpt_nemo | stew: Line 11 at http://rafb.net/paste/results/4Iyxnj39.html suggests that. |
| 17:38.38 | cosminb | this is the place for the source package: http://packages.debian.org/stable/source/dctc |
| 17:38.40 | caphuso | eeyore-: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1493 Oct 8 17:29 /etc/init.d/portmap* |
| 17:38.44 | stew | cosminb: /msg dpkg source |
| 17:38.55 | eeyore- | cpt_nemo: why would his programs try portmap when he hasn't got it installed? messed up /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
| 17:39.12 | stew | cosminb: dsc is a "debian source control" file, btw |
| 17:39.23 | cpt_nemo | eeyore-: Some programs do that. I don't know why. Usually it doesn't hurt. If it isn't there they return. |
| 17:39.25 | cosminb | i see |
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| 17:39.43 | Danar | what do those errors mean? what might cause them? |
| 17:39.48 | cpt_nemo | If something blocks access to lo, however, it starts to get painful. |
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| 17:40.05 | cosminb | stew: what do you mean by /msg ... i'm not used to irc |
| 17:40.24 | abrotman | !tell cosminb about source |
| 17:40.28 | Danar | cosminb, /something is used to give commands to your irc client |
| 17:40.41 | Danar | cosminb, /msg is used to message someone |
| 17:40.47 | FarrisGee | I have an existing network of 30+ debian machines, all with /home mounted from the same NFS export. I want to move toward clustering these machines for batch processing and load sharing, etc. Any idea where to start on deciding which clustering method to use? |
| 17:40.50 | Billionaire | when my debian unstable start, the boot waiting for about 40 seconds on this line: |
| 17:40.51 | Billionaire | hdc: MATSHITADVD-RAM UJ-820S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 17:40.51 | Billionaire | ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 |
| 17:40.52 | cosminb | i wrote the command |
| 17:40.54 | stew | cosminb: type "/msg dpkg source" in you irc client. the bot named "dpkg" should respond with info |
| 17:40.56 | cosminb | but got nothing in return |
| 17:41.05 | stew | cosminb: what irc client? |
| 17:41.14 | cosminb | mirc |
| 17:41.17 | beardy | stew: He means you should type the following in your irc client: /msg dpkg source |
| 17:41.18 | cosminb | on windows |
| 17:41.20 | Billionaire | Is there anyone that can help me? |
| 17:41.23 | xoz | Danar: is this your computer are you connecting remotely? |
| 17:41.30 | Danar | xoz, mine |
| 17:41.36 | cosminb | ok, i got something |
| 17:41.38 | stew | beardy: no, i meant that he should |
| 17:41.46 | cosminb | let me read... :) |
| 17:41.47 | beardy | cosminb: He means you should type the following in your irc client: /msg dpkg source |
| 17:41.51 | beardy | stew: sorry.. |
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| 17:42.13 | cosminb | hehehe, neat :) |
| 17:42.14 | xoz | Danar: check logs in /var/log/auth.log as well syslog/messages |
| 17:42.18 | cosminb | nice explanation |
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| 17:43.29 | Zvpun | does anyone know about expect? |
| 17:43.39 | Danar | xoz, /var/log/auth.log has those configuration errors there |
| 17:44.02 | Danar | xoz, but mostly just has commands i've run |
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| 17:44.30 | xoz | Danar: did you mess with your pam? |
| 17:44.45 | Danar | xoz, not to my knowledge |
| 17:45.00 | asg | Zvpun: I'm sure many people do. |
| 17:45.02 | abrotman | he messed with my Pam .. now i'm gonna kick his ass@! |
| 17:45.08 | saik0 | Is ssh to login remotely an anti-smart idea when it comes attempting to manage a secure server over the internet? |
| 17:45.15 | stew | Danar: what version of debian is this? |
| 17:45.25 | Danar | unstable/testing |
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| 17:45.37 | Danar | trying to get back to testing |
| 17:45.40 | abrotman | stew: act surprised .. i dare you! :) |
| 17:45.48 | asg | saik0: it's quite acceptible. Granted, make sure that you use pub/priv keys instead of passwords for add security and if you know the ip you will be coming from, block all access besides that. |
| 17:46.02 | stew | abrotman: OMG! wtf! |
| 17:46.08 | zvn | forgot -- what command executes other commands in a loop? |
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| 17:46.09 | asg | !bounce |
| 17:46.09 | dpkg | BOIIIIINNNNGGG! |
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| 17:46.17 | Zvpun | Can someone help me to send my password to ssh? I want to ssh during boot to enable internet connection (they require you to ssh to a auth host.) |
| 17:46.19 | asg | zvn: watch |
| 17:46.24 | zvn | asg: thanks |
| 17:46.29 | xoz | !qball what's your prediction |
| 17:46.29 | dpkg | the atmosphere is dark |
| 17:46.29 | asg | Zvpun: use keys |
| 17:46.32 | saik0 | asg: UNfortunely i wont have a static ip. What about whitelisting a dyndns (or similar serverice) adress? |
| 17:46.46 | asg | saik0: you could also do port-knocking |
| 17:46.57 | abrotman | stew: good job! |
| 17:47.26 | asg | Zvpun: feeding your password to ssh via expect is a universally bad idea |
| 17:47.28 | xoz | Danar: auth.log should have "(pam_unix)...." when you su? |
| 17:48.07 | otroean2 | My debian main disk is full. But can't find out what it could be... I should have about 10GB free but suddenly everything is gone... |
| 17:48.10 | Danar | xoz, yes |
| 17:48.18 | asg | otroean2: apt-get clean |
| 17:48.19 | abrotman | apt-get clean, apt-get install deborphan ... clean up |
| 17:48.25 | asg | otroean2: then look in /var/log |
| 17:48.45 | asg | otroean2: if you erase files in /var/log, restarting syslogd is required. |
| 17:48.54 | saik0 | asg: great, I had never even heard of it. ANything else i can do to harden ssh? |
| 17:48.59 | xoz | Danar: i think it is your silicone *pam* |
| 17:49.10 | Danar | heh. what do i do? |
| 17:49.16 | asg | saik0: restrict which users can login (man sshd_config) |
| 17:49.23 | xoz | Danar: deflate *pam* |
| 17:49.23 | saik0 | I'm afraid I'm only a de facto network admin |
| 17:49.28 | Danar | lol |
| 17:49.44 | asg | saik0: gotta start somewhere. debian-administration.org has some good howtos that will help you down the road |
| 17:49.56 | Danar | i know nothing about pam_unix, so... little help here? |
| 17:50.04 | asg | saik0: also, a good book like Unix System Administration or Essential System Administration will be invaluable. |
| 17:50.16 | xelam | saik0: only enable SSH access for the one user |
| 17:50.18 | asg | saik0: and finally, the harden-doc package (debian hardening HOWTO) |
| 17:50.23 | Zvpun | asg: why is keys better then expect? |
| 17:50.49 | asg | Zvpun: because you don't need to expose your password in cleartext |
| 17:51.05 | asg | Zvpun: you can have a passphraseless key |
| 17:51.10 | abrotman | bah .. passwords aren't important |
| 17:51.18 | otroean2 | asg, my firefox wont start because of full disk. how can i restart syslogd |
| 17:51.19 | saik0 | asg: great thanks! hopefully this is gonna be a temp job =D |
| 17:51.26 | asg | abrotman: I don't use them anymore |
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| 17:51.34 | asg | otroean2: /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
| 17:51.34 | Zvpun | asg: what package is keys in? |
| 17:51.54 | RichiH | Zvpun: man ssh-keygen |
| 17:51.55 | asg | Zvpun: public/private keys (part of ssh) look at the ssh-keygen manpage |
| 17:51.56 | abrotman | asg: see .. not important! |
| 17:52.02 | Danar | ... |
| 17:52.07 | asg | abrotman: I use OPIE |
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| 17:52.21 | RichiH | Zvpun: and use at least 2048 bits. for a dsa, not rsa, key |
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| 17:52.25 | sgt-chaves | hello |
| 17:52.26 | Zvpun | asg, RichiH: I cant use keys, since they dont provide them |
| 17:52.35 | sgt-chaves | i have a problem here |
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| 17:52.40 | Danar | xoz, seriously.... ? |
| 17:52.45 | asg | Zvpun: can you get a shell on the auth server? |
| 17:52.49 | Zvpun | asg, RichiH: they only way to enable internet is to ssh login with a password. |
| 17:52.50 | sgt-chaves | my SATA disk in my P4 is very very slowly!!! |
| 17:53.02 | Zvpun | asg: no I cant. otherwise I would have created a key |
| 17:53.04 | asg | Zvpun: or does it just kick you out after auth |
| 17:53.12 | Zvpun | asg: I thought there was another program called keys. |
| 17:53.12 | sgt-chaves | and ldap+samba died after a time... |
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| 17:53.31 | abrotman | !br |
| 17:53.31 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:53.43 | xoz | Danar: seems that pam authentication... check for newer files in /etc/pam.d/ |
| 17:53.46 | Zvpun | asg: all it does is echo a text and hold the connection. Ctrl-C will log you out and disable internet. |
| 17:53.57 | Zvpun | asg: So I guess I have to use expect. |
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| 17:54.41 | Zvpun | does someone know who to use expect to feed my password to ssh? |
| 17:54.43 | asg | Zvpun: oh okay. Then expect will do if you must have such automation. |
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| 17:55.02 | saik0 | asg: Is Samba+OpenLDAP+Kerberos+SASL overkill for a small windows (clinets) domain of 3-5 users? |
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| 17:55.11 | tarzeau | RichiH: level 99 now! |
| 17:55.11 | brainworm | why is the testing libc6 compiled with gcc-3, and the testing libc6 source code uses gcc-4 in the makefile ? |
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| 17:55.13 | abrotman | Zvpun: ask uhm .. a channel that uses expect? |
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| 17:55.16 | Danar | xoz, there's some from over a week ago... what about them? |
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| 17:55.31 | Zvpun | abrotman: nice hint. |
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| 17:55.39 | abrotman | you know .. like #c or something ? |
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| 17:55.47 | xoz | Danar: no recent changes? try ls -ltrh |
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| 17:56.06 | Zvpun | abrotman: no I dont. Why c` |
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| 17:56.21 | Danar | xoz, that gave me identical oupt to 'l' :p |
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| 17:56.40 | Danar | xoz, how recent do they need to be? what am i looking for? |
| 17:56.45 | aarkerio | how can I kill several process with the same name? |
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| 17:56.57 | Danar | xoz, i've had this problem for a long time |
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| 17:57.02 | xoz | Danar: check the content of su... and compare it with the error in /var/log/auth.log |
| 17:57.03 | saik0 | aarkerio: killall <process> ? |
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| 17:57.11 | Norbert | hi, I'm trying to use "rar"... is that package disabled? I can't apt-get it... |
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| 17:57.16 | xoz | Danar: /etc/pam.d/su |
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| 17:57.47 | Anthro | Norbert: Try unrar |
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| 17:57.54 | abrotman | !tell Norbert about rar |
| 17:57.56 | abrotman | !tell Norbert about unrar |
| 17:57.58 | XTF | Hi. Is there an easy way to find out all the changes you've made to files under /etc? |
| 17:58.08 | tpr | if i make changes to /etc/hosts.allow or deny, do I need to restart something in order for them to take affect? |
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| 17:58.23 | Danar | xoz, nothing in there that matches |
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| 17:59.02 | Norbert | !tell Norbert about unrar-free |
| 17:59.06 | caphuso | XTF: diff against your backup files |
| 17:59.09 | aarkerio | saik0, but I have a lot of "mono" process with diferent PID numbers |
| 17:59.16 | abrotman | XTF: yes ..you keep your /etc/ in cvs or something similar |
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| 18:00.08 | Norbert | Anthro: Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:00.18 | XTF | Hmm, not so great. :( |
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| 18:00.24 | Danar | xoz, does that mean it's not pam? |
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| 18:00.27 | Norbert | which is strange, because I've installed unrar before on other machines |
| 18:00.46 | abrotman | it's in contrib or non-free maybe? |
| 18:00.56 | valdyn | Norbert: did you try 'apt-cache search unrar' yet? |
| 18:01.05 | abrotman | it's in non-free .. do you have non-free sources |
| 18:01.06 | xoz | Danar: try sudo |
| 18:01.08 | Ungy | I can unmount drives mounted by fstab right? |
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| 18:01.15 | abrotman | yes |
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| 18:01.18 | Norbert | valdyn: yes, it returned NULL |
| 18:01.19 | xoz | Danar: and check /var/log/auth.log |
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| 18:01.24 | saik0 | aarkerio: you specify a process name with killall, as you would a PIC with the kill command |
| 18:01.29 | Danar | xoz, running sudo, or the sudo config file? |
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| 18:01.37 | Danar | xoz, sudo doesn't give any errors |
| 18:01.48 | valdyn | !info unrar-nonfree sarge |
| 18:01.54 | valdyn | !info unrar sarge |
| 18:01.54 | saik0 | aarkerio: PID* |
| 18:01.56 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.2-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
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| 18:02.12 | Ungy | thanks |
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| 18:02.38 | xoz | Danar: try reinstalling login... but it may break your system because it is a required package. |
| 18:02.43 | Ungy | when it tells me device is busy what do I do? |
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| 18:03.11 | Danar | xoz, uh... that makes me a little wary |
| 18:03.14 | Norbert | "E: Package unrar has no installation candidate" |
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| 18:03.33 | Norbert | ah, never mind, I'll grab a source somewhere and compile it myself |
| 18:03.41 | azeem | Norbert: it's in non-free, did you add that to sources.list? |
| 18:03.42 | Danar | xoz, it should only break something if it fails though, right? |
| 18:03.48 | valdyn | Norbert: what's hard about adding non-free sources? |
| 18:03.59 | Ungy | when I unmout /location I get device is busy shoudl I use -f or -l ? |
| 18:04.06 | Norbert | valdyn/azeem: oh, yeah, sorry - I'll add them to sources.list |
| 18:04.19 | Norbert | valdyn/azeem: I'm confused with another machine which has that enabled already |
| 18:04.22 | xoz | Danar: su is a part of login package... including /etc/pam.d/su as well as /etc/pam.d/login... your problem is somehow related to authentication and authorization. |
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| 18:04.41 | petemc | Ungy: you should find out why its busy, use lsof or fuser |
| 18:04.44 | xoz | Danar: you can try and check the warning dpkg gives. |
| 18:04.45 | abrotman | Norbert: how freaking hard is it ... add non-free to your sources |
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| 18:05.33 | Danar | xoz, hrm: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=367612 |
| 18:05.37 | Ungy | petemc ahh well nothign was using it wierd |
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| 18:06.13 | azeem | Ungy: maybe you have a shell open with the mountpoint as current directory |
| 18:06.30 | azeem | or you started another program from there |
| 18:06.40 | tpr | anyone? hosts.allow changes need restart of anyting? |
| 18:06.46 | abrotman | !petemcsmite petemc |
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| 18:07.25 | Ungy | azeem, thanks |
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| 18:07.58 | Danar | xoz, it's stuff from /etc/login.defs |
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| 18:08.19 | petemc | heh |
| 18:08.36 | kurumin | ow |
| 18:08.37 | rutski89 | I'd like to learn ASM, does anyone have any good online resources to suggest? |
| 18:08.49 | abrotman | isn't there a #asm ? |
| 18:09.12 | asg | abrotman: with 63 people in it no less |
| 18:09.12 | fmarostica | hello all |
| 18:09.19 | kurumin | oi |
| 18:09.21 | saik0 | is there a good freenet channel for *NIX network administration |
| 18:09.23 | abrotman | asg: who knew ... |
| 18:09.25 | xoz | Danar: yep. something with authentication/authorization which is controlled by login. dist-upgrade may fix it or apt-get --install --reinstall login |
| 18:09.28 | abrotman | !kurumin |
| 18:09.28 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 18:09.38 | fmarostica | someone install CA eTrust EZ Antivirus with debian running aMaViS? |
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| 18:09.46 | rutski89 | abrotman: heh, yea, i just realized |
| 18:10.11 | Danar | sudo apt-get --install --reinstall login |
| 18:10.11 | Danar | E: Command line option --install is not understood |
| 18:10.13 | xoz | Danar: when did you dist-upgraded? how many days ago? |
| 18:10.17 | Ungy | is there a way I can make fstab remount everythign without restarting? |
| 18:10.21 | Danar | xoz, um, never |
| 18:10.27 | asg | Danar: apt-get install --reinstall ... |
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| 18:10.34 | pumpkin0 | Ungy: mount -a |
| 18:10.50 | xoz | Danar: try dist-upgrade... but beware breakage. |
| 18:10.55 | Ungy | pumpkin0, thanks |
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| 18:11.21 | Danar | xoz, heh, well i'm already running unstable :/ |
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| 18:11.41 | mejde | how do I fix a "incompatible libdevmapper" ... "and kernel driver" problem |
| 18:11.53 | xoz | Danar: so, it is better you dist-upgrade. lots of changes happened especially the ABI |
| 18:11.54 | Danar | xoz, reinstalling login didn't help |
| 18:12.04 | pumpkin0 | Danar: unstable is a bad thing right now. switch from gcc 3XX to gcc4XX on the way. |
| 18:12.08 | abrotman | !petemcsmite petemc |
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| 18:12.20 | abrotman | oh! |
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| 18:12.28 | xoz | Danar: i have the latest unstable and has no similar problem. |
| 18:12.34 | Danar | it want's to remove a package i need |
| 18:12.53 | abrotman | !petemcsmite petemc |
| 18:12.56 | pumpkin0 | Danar: which one ? |
| 18:12.57 | abrotman | yes! |
| 18:12.58 | Danar | pumpkin0, gcc4 is bad? |
| 18:13.01 | Danar | pumpkin0, k3b |
| 18:13.02 | stew | Danar: whata version of login do you have now? |
| 18:13.03 | abrotman | i am evil genius@!!!!@!! |
| 18:13.22 | mejde | /var is crypted so I can't run apt... complains about missing lock file |
| 18:13.28 | Danar | 4.0.12-6 |
| 18:13.41 | pumpkin0 | Danar: no, gcc4 is OK, but the switch will break stuff. |
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| 18:13.54 | beardy | abrotman: Fix the beer factoid too? :) |
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| 18:14.08 | pumpkin0 | Danar: what do you try to install when apt deinstalls k3b ? |
| 18:14.08 | Ungy | !beern abrotman |
| 18:14.13 | Ungy | !beer abrotman |
| 18:14.28 | Ungy | a whole lot of nothing |
| 18:14.34 | Danar | libestools1.2 libssl0.9.8 libtag1c2 |
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| 18:14.57 | pumpkin0 | Danar: and it only wants to deinstall k3b ? |
| 18:15.10 | Danar | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 18:15.10 | Danar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.15 | mejde | anyone? |
| 18:15.16 | xoz | Danar: hmmm... you can install k3b again. it is now in unstable. |
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| 18:15.51 | xoz | Danar: it will remove the old k3b related files but you can install k3b again after dist-upgrade |
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| 18:15.57 | Danar | can't install the unstable version |
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| 18:16.00 | pumpkin0 | Danar: i think your apt is confused ... did you run "apt-get update" lately ? |
| 18:16.02 | beardy | !beersmite abrotman |
| 18:16.12 | Danar | pumpkin0, almost every day |
| 18:16.47 | xoz | yep, apt-get update... but you need to dist-upgrade to fix those authorization problems (maybe) |
| 18:17.00 | Danar | xoz, maybe |
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| 18:17.12 | xoz | !qball what's your prediction |
| 18:17.12 | dpkg | the atmosphere is gray |
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| 18:17.21 | xoz | oh. still not good. |
| 18:17.39 | pumpkin0 | Danar: try "apt-get install k3b libestools1.2 libssl0.9.8 libtag1c2" |
| 18:17.46 | terrencevak | Does anyone know of a command to change console resolution? |
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| 18:18.04 | Danar | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 18:18.36 | Danar | 5 apps. too much to paste in here |
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| 18:19.10 | Danar | dbus-qt-1c2, k3blibs, kdelibs4c2, kdebase-bin, kcontrol |
| 18:19.27 | ke6isf | Danar: Paste into the pastebin, and include your sources.list |
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| 18:19.49 | xoz | *bed* |
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| 18:20.16 | christor | Hello |
| 18:20.17 | pumpkin0 | Danar: "apt-get upgrade" kdebase-bin without kdebase is strange.... |
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| 18:20.44 | christor | I need help about a wifi card :s Marvel 8300 which is not very supported by Linux, I would like to have more information about the ndiswrapper |
| 18:20.45 | kurtak | Is it okay to run 'make modules_install' in my /usr/src/linux dir? because i compiled and installed a module from src... or do i really need to do it a "debian way"? |
| 18:21.05 | ke6isf | !wayc kurtak |
| 18:21.06 | dpkg | kurtak: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 18:21.10 | Danar | http://rafb.net/paste/results/6mNDRH81.html |
| 18:21.13 | christor | I have install my card with ndiswrapper but I can t put it in Master mode only adhoc and i have some problem with the essid |
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| 18:21.29 | kurtak | dpkg: cuz there's no package for it of course |
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| 18:21.52 | kurtak | bbs |
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| 18:22.08 | tpr | what culd be wrong with NFS, while a client cant mount dirs, afaict exports, hosts.allow/deny are properly set up, and services are up and running, it even worked for awhile now just give the 'not registered' error message. |
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| 18:22.30 | asg | tpr: do you have the portmapper running? |
| 18:22.31 | ke6isf | !tell Danar -about non-us |
| 18:22.34 | tpr | asg: yes |
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| 18:22.53 | tpr | rpcinfo -p shows all that should be there according to a sourceforge guide on nfs |
| 18:22.59 | usn_router | hi folx |
| 18:22.59 | ke6isf | Danar: Why in blazes are you mixing distros?! |
| 18:23.31 | asg | tpr: check /usr/share/doc/nfs* and see if there is any info there regarding particulars. |
| 18:23.39 | Danar | mixing distros? |
| 18:23.41 | pumpkin0 | Danar: juding form that sources ... you should have way more problems... |
| 18:24.01 | valdyn | Danar: mixing stable with unstable with backports - sick |
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| 18:24.09 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Please replace cmd: beer (.*?) with cmd: beer2 (.*?), which I have fixed, I hope. |
| 18:24.11 | Danar | i don't have anything from backports yet |
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| 18:24.25 | abrotman | beardy: if i could fix it .. i would .. tell dondelelcaro .. i've told him about 10 times :) |
| 18:24.28 | pumpkin0 | Danar: but apt knows about them. |
| 18:24.29 | ke6isf | Danar: You have stable, testing, and unstable sources in your list. That's not a Good Thing. |
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| 18:24.30 | pid06 | m,nmkn |
| 18:24.32 | Danar | i only added it recently. i was gonna start using it after i got back out of unstable |
| 18:24.36 | beardy | !beer2 abrotman |
| 18:24.38 | asg | tpr: debian's portmapper may register with hosts.allow under a different name than what your HOWTO indicated. |
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| 18:24.41 | tpr | asg: nfs.sourceforget.net troubleshoots this exact problem(s), ive done what it tells, though i am unsure if the CLIENT side should have something else besides 'portmapper' and 'status' in rpcinfo -p |
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| 18:24.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:24.46 | beardy | abrotman: Iäve fixed it. |
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| 18:24.51 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 18:24.54 | nullvoid | you abrotman |
| 18:25.01 | nullvoid | hehe yo |
| 18:25.04 | abrotman | beardy: and did you spell the incorrectly beer correctly? |
| 18:25.05 | Danar | ke6isf, because i wanted to run testing with packages from unstable... eventually i ended up running unstable |
| 18:25.08 | asg | tpr: http://www.freebsddiary.org/nfs-portmap.php might give you some more to go on |
| 18:25.09 | abrotman | nullvoid: ? |
| 18:25.17 | ke6isf | Danar: Well, if you know what you're doing.... |
| 18:25.17 | nullvoid | abrotman typo |
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| 18:25.26 | abrotman | er m .. ok |
| 18:25.28 | ke6isf | Danar: Lose that non-us line, see that factoid I sent you. |
| 18:25.30 | beardy | abrotman: No, which one? |
| 18:25.30 | Danar | ke6isf, not really :p |
| 18:25.35 | tpr | asg, thanks I will check them out, and do you mean hosts.allow should have some other line thatn 'portmap ip' in debian? |
| 18:25.40 | christor | tpr: have you correctly put the fstab line and the mtab line? |
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| 18:25.52 | abrotman | beardy: ask stew .. i think it's optimator or something |
| 18:25.57 | pumpkin0 | Danar: remove all stable lines and all backport lines. rerun apt-get update and try again. |
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| 18:26.13 | asg | tpr: it shouldn't but /usr/share/doc/portmap/README.Debian will tell you if any odd stuff is done |
| 18:26.17 | christor | tpr: this kind of error often arrive when mtab file in not correctly updated |
| 18:26.28 | stew | abrotman: double bocks from germany often end in ..ator never in ...ater afik |
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| 18:26.46 | tpr | asg, christor, hmmmm commenting everything away in hosts.allow and hsots.deny infact solved my problem |
| 18:26.48 | abrotman | stew: okeedokee |
| 18:26.58 | abrotman | !literal cmd: beer (.*?) |
| 18:26.58 | tpr | I must see more into it, what was causing the permission problem then, thanks for your help! |
| 18:26.58 | dpkg | CMD: beer (.*?) is ($1): <action> (pulls out (a fine|an excellent|an excquisite|a tasty|a nicely refined) |pours a (pint|litre|quart) of|deftly decants a fine) (Guinness|Spaten (Optimater|Pils)|Jever||Yuengling Lager|Dogfishhead 90min IPA|Piraat|Franziskaner Hefeweizen) for $1 |
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| 18:27.59 | asg | not for $1 million dollars |
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| 18:28.02 | RichiH | heh |
| 18:28.11 | Danar | still can't install k3b from unstable |
| 18:28.24 | terrencevak | If I'm using gnopernicus, do I still need something like twm? |
| 18:28.26 | pumpkin0 | Danar: try "apt-get upgrade" |
| 18:29.01 | Danar | now it just wants to keep it back |
| 18:29.05 | Danar | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 18:29.05 | Danar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:29.33 | Inflate | I upgraded my system to debian/unstable, I don't know but it seems that kdelibs4c2 have a bug, anyone noticed it? |
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| 18:30.05 | beardy | !literal cmd: beer2 (.*?) |
| 18:30.06 | dpkg | CMD: beer2 (.*?) is ($1): <action> (pulls out (a fine|an excellent|an excquisite|a tasty|a nicely refined)|pours a (pint|litre|quart) of|deftly decants a fine) (Guinness|Spaten(Optimator|Pils)|Jever|Yuengling Lager|Dogfishhead 90min IPA|Piraat|Franziskaner Hefeweizen) for $1 |
| 18:30.16 | beardy | is it all correct now? |
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| 18:30.51 | Danar | grave bugs of bash (3.0-15 -> ) <open> |
| 18:30.51 | Danar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.51 | Danar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.56 | dondelelcaro | beardy: no, it's still fucked, because the parser is screwed at the )| point |
| 18:31.33 | peritus | is there a way to force my users to change their password upon the first (ssh) login? |
| 18:31.59 | dondelelcaro | peritus: passwd -e |
| 18:32.00 | stew | Inflate: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:32.04 | Danar | oh yeah, why does apt download the packages BEFORE listing the bugs? what if you're on a slow connection? you'd want to know that before wasting time & bandwidth |
| 18:32.07 | pumpkin0 | Danar: your system and apt DB is fubar. you have all kinds of packages installed form all kinds of systems. try to get all packages to the version in unstable (or yet better testing). |
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| 18:33.05 | peritus | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot :) |
| 18:33.30 | beardy | dondelelcaro: now then? |
| 18:33.41 | pumpkin0 | Danar: apt gets these information from inside the package. how should it get these things w/o downloading ? |
| 18:34.01 | Danar | hunh |
| 18:34.18 | Danar | i thought it downloaded the bug list from debian's servers or something |
| 18:34.43 | Danar | that should be changed, so you can see the bugs before downloading |
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| 18:35.06 | RichiH | paster: what are you |
| 18:35.07 | klemzi | hi, can somebody tell me what drivers must i use for (6300ESB Adaptec Serial ATA HostRAID) ? tnx |
| 18:35.11 | RichiH | bleh |
| 18:35.22 | Inflate | thank you, another question, where I can found the supported parameters for /msg dpkg ? |
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| 18:36.16 | stew | Danar: see #192787, #80123 |
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| 18:36.39 | Danar | stew, how do i view specific bugs? |
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| 18:36.44 | stew | Inflate: /msg dpkg help ; /msg dpkg listvalues foo ; /msg dpkg listkeys foo |
| 18:36.49 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Seems ok now. |
| 18:36.52 | Danar | from the cli |
| 18:36.52 | stew | Danar: http://bugs.debian.org/80123 |
| 18:37.02 | Danar | no command to view them? |
| 18:37.05 | Danar | : |
| 18:37.07 | stew | Danar: lynx http://bugs.debian.org/80123 |
| 18:37.12 | Danar | funny :p |
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| 18:37.42 | peritus | how can i deactivate (passwd -l username) accounts that hasn't logged in for 6 months? |
| 18:37.48 | kurtak | ok, so /usr/linux/make_modules install = really bad thing? |
| 18:38.08 | tkooda | what's the name of that package that lets you detach (like 'screen') X11 apps and reattach to them later? |
| 18:38.37 | stew | tkooda: xmove? |
| 18:38.58 | tkooda | stew, thanks! I think that's it |
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| 18:39.36 | Danar | first # says it's impossible, and to see the second #, yet it doesn't say anything of the sort |
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| 18:40.09 | stew | Danar: until the older bug is fixed there is no possible way to fix the newer |
| 18:40.18 | abrotman | aren't .. windows in .. windows .. and you can move them around ? |
| 18:40.26 | Danar | well it's 5 years old. what's the holdup? |
| 18:40.48 | stew | Danar: no holdup, go ahead and code it up and submit a patch |
| 18:41.09 | Danar | stew, care to point me to some good programming resources? :p |
| 18:41.20 | mjk64 | Danar: btw.: You can view bugs using "querybts" |
| 18:41.27 | Danar | mjk64, thx |
| 18:41.38 | stew | Danar: /msg dpkg source ; get "the C programming language" |
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| 18:41.50 | abrotman | and it's probably a non-trivial change .. but not extraordinarily hard |
| 18:43.14 | Danar | stew, that wasn't particularly helpful |
| 18:43.55 | Danar | that's for compiling preexisting packages |
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| 18:44.12 | abrotman | it is a pre-existing package :) |
| 18:44.24 | Danar | abrotman, what is? |
| 18:44.26 | cheikh | what is a quick way to convert many .png file to *.xpm |
| 18:44.31 | mjk64 | Danar: And for modifying them. Yes, stew's answer was a little cynical ;-) |
| 18:44.37 | RichiH | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/11/1153204 yay |
| 18:44.49 | nkuttler | cheikh: convert + a loop? |
| 18:44.51 | asg | cheikh: convert in the imagemagick package most likely |
| 18:45.14 | abrotman | Danar: apt-get |
| 18:45.32 | abrotman | RichiH: and ? |
| 18:45.47 | Danar | abrotman, well, i'd need to learn programming first, and that doesn't help with that |
| 18:45.54 | cahoot | cheikh: man mogrify |
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| 18:46.11 | abrotman | Danar: there's no time like today! |
| 18:46.26 | asg | #include "today.h" |
| 18:46.28 | Danar | abrotman, and dpkg is not help :/ |
| 18:46.31 | Danar | *no |
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| 18:47.04 | abrotman | RichiH: that's got nothing to do with our bot problem here does it ? |
| 18:47.08 | cheikh | i dont have a manual entry for that |
| 18:47.12 | RichiH | abrotman: no. still, good news |
| 18:47.25 | asg | cheikh: because you don't have the imagemagick package |
| 18:47.31 | cahoot | cheikh: it's part of imagemagick too |
| 18:47.46 | cheikh | no i dont |
| 18:47.48 | cahoot | cheikh: does bulk convertion |
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| 18:47.58 | Danar | abrotman, oughtta put some helpful stuff in dpkg for people asking about programming |
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| 18:48.29 | myren | does multicast necessarily broadcast to everyone on the network? or can switches make hte multicast go to only those who need it? |
| 18:48.36 | abrotman | RichiH: oh ..yeah .. i guess .. but they're are still infected windows machines trashing the internet |
| 18:48.54 | asg | myren: #networking might know if someone here doesn't |
| 18:48.55 | cheikh | can u take a look here it is not working for me |
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| 18:48.57 | cheikh | http://pastebin.com/390341 |
| 18:49.01 | Danar | abrotman, heh. "they're are" is a bit redundant ;p |
| 18:49.06 | RichiH | abrotman: yes, but it's good that there are less, now |
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| 18:49.23 | sud0n1m | I have a modem attached to my box - how would I find out what the port is that it is attached to - it is using a serial cable. |
| 18:49.31 | abrotman | Danar: i'm tired :) |
| 18:49.45 | abrotman | Danar: if i showed you what i've been doign today .. your brain would succumb too :) |
| 18:49.46 | Danar | abrotman, sleep :) |
| 18:49.48 | beardy | sud0n1m: How many serial ports are there on your box? |
| 18:49.52 | abrotman | Danar: i'm in my office :) |
| 18:50.03 | sud0n1m | beardy: It is a 1u server, and looks like only one in the back |
| 18:50.04 | Danar | abrotman, ... so? :P (JK) |
| 18:50.21 | beardy | sud0n1m: Try /dev/ttyS0 first then. |
| 18:50.22 | asg | sud0n1m: dmesg | grep tty |
| 18:50.22 | Danar | abrotman, why, what are you up to? |
| 18:50.38 | abrotman | Danar: i'd show you .. but then you'd never want to learn programming :) |
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| 18:50.49 | Danar | abrotman, don't be so sure ;p |
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| 18:50.56 | sud0n1m | ah, the trick is that it is on ttys00 - thanks asg & beardy! |
| 18:51.17 | Danar | abrotman, i already intend to |
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| 18:53.12 | PrtScm | Where on ftp.debian.org are the stable boot floopies for net installs? |
| 18:53.14 | abrotman | Danar: http://pastebin.com/390346 ... and syntax highlighting they do is accidental |
| 18:53.17 | PrtScm | I can't seem to locate them. |
| 18:53.21 | abrotman | !sarge bfg |
| 18:53.22 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 18:53.22 | dpkg | methinks sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 18:53.33 | PrtScm | thanks |
| 18:53.54 | abrotman | Danar: scared yet? |
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| 18:54.52 | Danar | abrotman, oy. what language is that? syntax looks messy o.O |
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| 18:55.04 | abrotman | RPN stack based .. no formal loops |
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| 18:55.27 | Danar | abrotman, well there are better languages to learn. :p |
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| 18:55.50 | Danar | just because it can be mind boggling, doesn't mean it has to be :) |
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| 18:55.54 | abrotman | Danar: it's what the company i admin for has thier developers do |
| 18:56.10 | Danar | :/ |
| 18:56.19 | abrotman | Danar: it pays well :_ |
| 18:56.20 | abrotman | :") |
| 18:56.22 | Danar | well, fortunately i'll have the luxury of using what i want :) |
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| 18:56.35 | PEACEYALL` | elo |
| 18:56.43 | asg | !elo |
| 18:56.57 | asg | meh |
| 18:56.58 | PEACEYALL` | if i ad the sid to my sources list and get kde 3.4 out of there will it screw up my repositories? |
| 18:57.01 | abrotman | bah .. fuck |
| 18:57.04 | PEACEYALL` | lol |
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| 18:57.11 | asg | !englund |
| 18:57.11 | dpkg | Remember Lyndie Englund? Remember what she did to the Iraqis at Abu Ghraib? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your sarge, you get the same result. |
| 18:57.13 | abrotman | PEACEYALL`: and what are you running now ? |
| 18:57.13 | sud0n1m | Is there a way to see what program is using the port ttyS00? |
| 18:57.17 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 18:57.17 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 18:57.18 | PEACEYALL` | abrotman kde 3.3 |
| 18:57.18 | Ankka | greetings |
| 18:57.23 | PEACEYALL` | oh |
| 18:57.25 | PEACEYALL` | im runnign arge |
| 18:57.27 | asg | sud0n1m: fuser, lsof |
| 18:57.29 | abrotman | PEACEYALL`: kde3.3 is not a debian version |
| 18:57.30 | PEACEYALL` | sarge* |
| 18:57.32 | PEACEYALL` | lol |
| 18:57.37 | abrotman | asg: i like mine better |
| 18:57.40 | PEACEYALL` | sorry i thought u ment what kde lol |
| 18:57.54 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:57.55 | bitlogic | has anyone had problems booting kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 from debian? |
| 18:57.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:57.55 | asg | abrotman: yeah. I was trying to find a bobbitt replacement. |
| 18:57.56 | Ankka | I just installed debian, and I have a little problem...: it booted in command line, and I have no idea what I need to do |
| 18:57.57 | abrotman | !english |
| 18:57.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 18:58.04 | abrotman | asg: mine isn't good enough? |
| 18:58.18 | bitlogic | I can't boot it! It hangs on lilo before decompressing |
| 18:58.19 | asg | abrotman: yes it works |
| 18:58.24 | abrotman | yay |
| 18:58.39 | PEACEYALL` | so abortman ?? wiill it screw up my repositories? |
| 18:58.42 | asg | abrotman: I wanted to keep the theme of women doing unspeakable things to people in a similar vein to bobbitt |
| 18:58.44 | goog | I have this Thinkpad 380ED and I'm trying to use it's internal sound card. It's supposedly a "cs4xxx" something. I'm running the 2.4.27-2-586tsc stock kernel. I'm trying to configure the card using alsaconf. When probing ISA cards for cs4236, cs4232 or even cs4231, it'll always detect a card. When it tries to install said card, however, the module fails to load because there's "No such device". How do I deal with this? |
| 18:58.53 | beardy | bitlogic: Forgot to run /sbin/lilo? |
| 18:58.54 | asg | fuck. it's beertime |
| 18:59.07 | bitlogic | beardy, no I run it |
| 18:59.08 | abrotman | PEACEYALL`: hopefully |
| 18:59.13 | abrotman | asg: mine is better |
| 18:59.15 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 18:59.15 | dpkg | well, pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:59.37 | bitlogic | beardy, with kernel 2.4 it boots but not with 2.6.8 |
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| 18:59.43 | PEACEYALL` | abrotman wat is the best wat to install kde 3.4 on debian sarge? |
| 18:59.51 | stew | crap is it pubtime already, i'm not getting enough done today |
| 18:59.51 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 18:59.55 | bitlogic | I already installed grub and the problem remains |
| 19:00.04 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.23 | bitlogic | It is some problem on decompressing linux on boot but can't figure out what is it |
| 19:00.35 | cheikh | ok how do i change a directory's permission from owner root to myself |
| 19:00.41 | abrotman | chown |
| 19:00.48 | cheikh | plus what |
| 19:00.51 | beardy | as root |
| 19:00.54 | Ankka | how do I install gnome on sarge, I just installed debian and... well, I'm lacking a GUI |
| 19:01.04 | beardy | man chown |
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| 19:01.33 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 19:01.33 | dpkg | install gnome is probably to install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 19:01.35 | abrotman | Ankka: ^^ |
| 19:01.48 | kombi_ | what was it again that one needs to install for php's setlocale()? |
| 19:01.49 | beardy | Ankka: install x-window-system and the wm/desktop of your choice |
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| 19:02.47 | Ankka | ok, thanks guys... I'll look at that |
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| 19:03.27 | overdose | http://tinyurl.com/dq3wk a remote vulnerability in debian |
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| 19:04.08 | abrotman | someone ban that IP |
| 19:04.21 | beardy | ban 84.5.241.217 |
| 19:04.26 | beardy | gnaa scum |
| 19:04.46 | abrotman | RichiH: ban him from the whole network .. pretty please :) |
| 19:04.50 | goog | Is there some application I can install that will probe ISA cards more thoroughly than alsaconf? It keeps failing to load the driver modules using the settings it just detected itself and it's so god damn frustrating. |
| 19:04.51 | abrotman | RichiH: what! |
| 19:05.03 | abrotman | beardy: he's still on fn |
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| 19:06.05 | goog | s |
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| 19:06.10 | beardy | abrotman: Well, try #freenode, but it wont do any good.. |
| 19:06.12 | ecobit | what's the file that contains the postinst scripts for installed packages? |
| 19:06.24 | abrotman | beardy: apparently noone is active .. so says /stats p |
| 19:06.26 | ecobit | s/postinst/postrm and prerm |
| 19:06.39 | abrotman | ecobit: the .. .deb |
| 19:06.40 | azeem | ecobit: <package>.postrm |
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| 19:06.58 | stew | ecobit: /var/lib/dpkg/pkg.postrm |
| 19:07.12 | azeem | stew: +info |
| 19:07.13 | ecobit | thanks |
| 19:07.17 | stew | doh |
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| 19:07.31 | petemc | goog: isapnptools, perhaps |
| 19:07.32 | terrencevak | Hey, all, is there a program that'll give me a listing of all my X programs that I can select from? |
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| 19:08.04 | remadmin | whats gnaa? |
| 19:08.06 | beardy | terrencevak: x<TAB><TAB> gives you everything that starts with the letter x anyway. |
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| 19:08.19 | pumpkin0 | terrencevak: what about aptitude ? |
| 19:08.21 | resiak | !fgi remadmin gnaa |
| 19:08.22 | dpkg | remadmin: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=gnaa |
| 19:08.31 | ecobit | stew: are you certain. i don't see any <package> dirs under /var/lib/dpkg |
| 19:08.38 | remadmin | thanks prick |
| 19:08.39 | stew | ecobit: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ sorry |
| 19:09.11 | resiak | remadmin: My pleasure. |
| 19:09.17 | beardy | remadmin: You got an answer, a fucking good one, so don't call him prick. |
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| 19:09.51 | remadmin | dont bait me beardy i just seen someone called a gnaa |
| 19:10.07 | dondelelcaro | remadmin: take the gnaa-age elsewhere, please. |
| 19:10.07 | terrencevak | beardy and pumpkin0: True. I was kind of hoping there was something I could click on, so my xterm wouldn't be tied up by every program I run. |
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| 19:10.14 | beardy | I'm not baiting. |
| 19:10.17 | beardy | *plonk* |
| 19:10.18 | Chance | question how can i run a program with higher priority? |
| 19:10.22 | dondelelcaro | Chance: with nice |
| 19:10.29 | spb | Chance: be nice to it |
| 19:10.33 | remadmin | i dont know why you guys wanna sit in a channel and wait for a chance to be a prick to someone |
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| 19:10.44 | Chance | will that help a game process not to go laggy anymore ? |
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| 19:11.02 | spb | depends whether the lag is your cpu or your net connection |
| 19:11.04 | dondelelcaro | Chance: possibly; but you're better off figuring out what else is eating CPU. |
| 19:11.04 | ecobit | Chance: try using preempt in your kernel |
| 19:11.08 | sword | hey what's a good c++ debugger for linux? |
| 19:11.12 | dondelelcaro | sword: gdb |
| 19:11.17 | abrotman | is there more than one? |
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| 19:11.20 | beardy | terrencevak: Oh, well, the menu of the window manager you run lists every program. |
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| 19:11.20 | resiak | sword: gdb |
| 19:11.32 | sword | thanks |
| 19:11.33 | knoppel_ | SOS |
| 19:11.33 | knoppel_ | I can't write / in console :S |
| 19:11.33 | knoppel_ | anywhere else, even console programs, but not in console |
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| 19:11.51 | goog | petemc: isadump doesn't detect anything at all :(( |
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| 19:12.16 | Chance | dondelelcaro nothing else the pcu load avrage is 00 |
| 19:12.29 | pumpkin0 | knoppel: what language-settings are you using ? |
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| 19:12.41 | terrencevak | Oh! So I should be running menu then. |
| 19:12.44 | Chance | spb and the net connection is 100 mbps/s |
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| 19:12.53 | dondelelcaro | Chance: well, then nice won't help you. |
| 19:12.58 | pumpkin0 | chance: is that game openGL-based ? |
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| 19:13.14 | terrencevak | To the one with console problems, did you try hitting reset? |
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| 19:13.20 | knoppel_ | pumpkin0: previously greek, but i commented them out for this session. The problem persists |
| 19:13.23 | dondelelcaro | Chance: if the load is zero, and the CPU isn't pegged, and the net connection is good, then there's little that you can do besides fixing your opponents (or fixing the game) that you can do. |
| 19:13.28 | beardy | terrencevak: I meant, bring up the menu, by right-clicking, or by clicking on some image called "Menu", different wm:s do it differently. |
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| 19:13.54 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Are you ignoring all /msgs? beer2 is correct now. |
| 19:13.56 | pumpkin0 | knoppel_ what about the / on the numpad ? |
| 19:14.04 | Zvpun | I need help in writing a expect script to send my password to ssh, can someone help me? I dont figure how to not exit expect once the connection is established. |
| 19:14.08 | dumezil | how do i use minicom as a simple serial program? im trying to configure a network switch with my linux box, but i can't get it to be 'online' with the serial connection. |
| 19:14.12 | dondelelcaro | beardy: yes, I just haven't had time yet to bother with it. |
| 19:14.31 | knoppel_ | none |
| 19:14.37 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Oh, sorry for going on about it then :) |
| 19:14.44 | ecobit | Zvpun: why not use pre-shared keys? |
| 19:14.54 | goog | Zvpun: why not... er. what he said |
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| 19:15.19 | Zvpun | ecobit: because they dont allow you shell access. All I can do is password login and keep the connection open. |
| 19:15.42 | Ungy | damn dude I am recieving spam from the future now it is circumventing my spam filters |
| 19:15.49 | ecobit | Zvpun: even if shell is /bin/false or whatever you should still be able to copy-id to remote ssh keyring |
| 19:16.07 | knoppel_ | pumpkin0, nothing |
| 19:16.16 | Zvpun | ecobit: can you explain? That would solve everything if I could use a key. |
| 19:16.17 | ecobit | Zvpun: and what you just wrote doesn't make sense. |
| 19:16.26 | pumpkin0 | knoppel_: sorry, can't help you. |
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| 19:16.30 | ecobit | Zvpun: if you can log in you have a shell |
| 19:16.42 | jethro | ecobit: not necessarily |
| 19:16.54 | ecobit | restricted shell? |
| 19:16.59 | Zvpun | ecobit: you login and you see a welcome message, if you Ctrl-C you disconnect, there is no prompt. |
| 19:17.09 | ecobit | ah |
| 19:17.24 | knoppel_ | can you tell me what 'set bell-type visible' does in inputrc? |
| 19:17.28 | ecobit | Zvpun: man ssh-copy-id |
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| 19:18.04 | Rawplayer | re |
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| 19:18.17 | ecobit | knoppel_: it causes the console to flash instead of a bell sound |
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| 19:19.00 | Zvpun | ecobit: are you sure ssh-copy-id works if shell is /bin/false? That would defete the whole purpose of setting shell to something. |
| 19:19.07 | Zvpun | ecobit: ssh-copy-id is just a script |
| 19:19.25 | knoppel_ | and why does it flash when i press /??? |
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| 19:19.57 | ecobit | Zvpun: no, but its worth a try |
| 19:20.21 | Zvpun | ecobit: that is debatable |
| 19:20.24 | dumezil | how do i connect via serial to a network switch to do configuration? i have the cable and everything, but i don't know what programs to use/how to use them |
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| 19:20.29 | Lorvija | Hey, anyone heard of speech recognition software with what I could give commands to my computer? |
| 19:20.39 | beardy | dumezil: telnet, man telnet |
| 19:20.50 | Zvpun | anyone familier with expect? I need help for logging in with ssh and sending the password with expect. |
| 19:20.56 | beardy | dumezil: oh, minicom, man minicom |
| 19:21.14 | stouset | Well damn. Bruce Perens just sent me an email :P |
| 19:21.22 | stouset | Unsolicited, no less. |
| 19:21.27 | abrotman | why?! |
| 19:21.28 | abrotman | what's in it ? |
| 19:21.37 | ecobit | Zvpun: true |
| 19:21.39 | abrotman | stouset: does he have ch34p m3d5? |
| 19:21.50 | dumezil | beardy: ok ive been messing around with minicom, but how to i get it to be 'online' with the connection? i see what the switch is saying, but i can't input anything |
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| 19:22.00 | knoppel_ | i have a greek version of mc. I did apt-get, it installed the new version, but it's still greek... how can i get the english one? |
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| 19:22.15 | jethro | knoppel_: set your locales |
| 19:22.17 | stouset | abrotman: Haha, no. He emailed me about a Rails project I'm starting. |
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| 19:22.31 | knoppel_ | what file? |
| 19:22.40 | knoppel_ | jethro, what file? |
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| 19:22.50 | abrotman | stouset: rail gun? |
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| 19:23.12 | jethro | !tell knoppel_ -about locales |
| 19:23.16 | beardy | dumezil: If you can read what it outputs, you should also be able to input things. Are you sure it's not a password screen, or login screen, that doesn't show what password you type? When the cable is in, and you see the output, it is connected. |
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| 19:23.33 | kreg | does postfix use maildir format defaultly? |
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| 19:23.41 | stouset | abrotman: Don't make me stab you in the face :\ |
| 19:24.05 | abrotman | stouset: with a rail gun? |
| 19:24.26 | stouset | No, with a rail knife. |
| 19:24.38 | abrotman | they make those? |
| 19:24.41 | stouset | Yeah. |
| 19:24.42 | abrotman | that's your project? |
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| 19:24.47 | stouset | Well, I make them. |
| 19:24.47 | beardy | stouset: url? |
| 19:24.50 | stouset | It's a hobby I started last year. |
| 19:25.16 | benwadsworth | anyone who can help me? |
| 19:25.16 | abrotman | you have to ask |
| 19:25.17 | benwadsworth | ask who |
| 19:25.17 | stouset | They accelerate the blade using a series of electromagnets. |
| 19:25.18 | abrotman | but since you're english .. i doubt it |
| 19:25.25 | abrotman | benwadsworth: everyone .. juts ask away |
| 19:25.28 | benwadsworth | ok |
| 19:25.30 | dumezil | beardy: but minicom says 'offline'... does that mean anything? |
| 19:25.36 | Danar | benwadsworth, no one knows if they can help you if they don't know your problem |
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| 19:25.39 | beardy | benwadsworth: ask your question, just ask it, don't adress it to anyone in particular |
| 19:25.50 | stouset | benwadsworth: None of us know if we can help you, because you haven't told us what the problem is :) |
| 19:25.52 | beardy | dumezil: Yes, what it says ;) |
| 19:25.57 | Danar | heh |
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| 19:26.30 | benwadsworth | here's the problem: i installed the xfree86 GUI and i got it working, but i can't use my mouse and it boots up automatically before the terminal |
| 19:26.41 | benwadsworth | and i need to access the terminal as a root to fix it |
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| 19:26.53 | googie | benwadsworth- you can always swap out |
| 19:26.57 | benwadsworth | how |
| 19:26.57 | RoDNokey | hi |
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| 19:27.00 | Wanderer | Anyone heard anything about a new kernel soon in unstable? |
| 19:27.01 | beardy | dumezil: Hmm, a while since I used minicom, perhaps it always shows Offline, when not connected via a dialup modem? |
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| 19:27.02 | googie | benwadsworth- also change your runlevel |
| 19:27.03 | RoDNokey | good afternoon |
| 19:27.10 | Danar | benwadsworth, ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 19:27.11 | googie | benwadsworth- crtl + alt + f5 |
| 19:27.15 | benwadsworth | thanks |
| 19:27.18 | googie | Danar- its f5 for me |
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| 19:27.28 | benwadsworth | f1 worked |
| 19:27.29 | benwadsworth | thanks |
| 19:27.32 | googie | ahh there ya go] |
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| 19:27.32 | Danar | goog, f1-f7 works |
| 19:27.32 | googie | =] |
| 19:27.37 | googie | Danar- obviosuly |
| 19:27.48 | googie | Danar- heh |
| 19:28.09 | dumezil | beardy: ok so minicom is 'offline'. how do i make it online? |
| 19:28.15 | beardy | googie: Why change the runlevel? |
| 19:28.17 | Danar | er, f6 |
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| 19:28.34 | benwadsworth | also - i'm using a compaq presario 2100 laptop with the built-in touchpad. which mouse driver directory should i select? |
| 19:28.37 | beardy | dumezil: If you see output from the thing you are connecting to, you are online. |
| 19:28.46 | beardy | !nodm |
| 19:28.46 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 19:28.50 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice |
| 19:28.53 | Danar | goog, ctrl+alt+f9 to get back |
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| 19:29.08 | dumezil | beardy: ahhh then why does it say offline? |
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| 19:29.19 | beardy | dumezil: read what I told you above |
| 19:29.21 | benwadsworth | dev/input/mice didnt work |
| 19:29.27 | abrotman | /dev/psaux maybe? |
| 19:29.38 | benwadsworth | ill try mice again, then that |
| 19:29.54 | beardy | Danar: F9? To get where, by default? |
| 19:30.07 | Danar | beardy, for me it goes back to the gui |
| 19:30.21 | kreg | i've been searching postfix.org. their howto's don't seem to be aware of mbox vs maildir. my default postfix instalation is using mbox. how do i change it to maildir? |
| 19:30.23 | beardy | Danar: F7 is the default AFAIK |
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| 19:30.43 | Danar | beardy, well, i never changed it, and i don't know how, so i assumed it was the default |
| 19:30.48 | googie | beardy- so that it doesnt automatically switch to X, with like GDM, or XDM |
| 19:30.58 | beardy | googie: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 19:31.05 | googie | beardy- i dont run deb my friend |
| 19:31.10 | googie | beardy- im just here to help :P |
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| 19:31.34 | googie | beardy- very interseting, thank you. |
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| 19:31.42 | googie | beardy- thank you for making me aware of that. |
| 19:31.45 | Danar | beardy, how do i get it back to defaults? |
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| 19:32.14 | beardy | Danar: If you haven't changed it, you don't have to. |
| 19:32.32 | Danar | beardy, nontheless, can you answer my question? |
| 19:32.41 | beardy | Danar: Are you running Debian? |
| 19:32.44 | Danar | yes |
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| 19:32.58 | beardy | Danar: not ubuntu then? |
| 19:33.01 | Danar | no |
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| 19:33.46 | Danar | if i were, i'd be asking how to change it in #ubuntu :p |
| 19:33.50 | beardy | Danar: Ok.. well, what do you have on F7 and F8 then? |
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| 19:34.04 | beardy | Danar: Thanks for understanding that. |
| 19:34.15 | Danar | f7 appears to be dmesg output, and f8 is blank |
| 19:34.27 | beardy | Danar: You have changed it then. |
| 19:34.27 | abrotman | is X running at all ? |
| 19:34.34 | abrotman | check inittab |
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| 19:35.17 | Danar | beardy, not knowingly. is there something i can dpkg-reconfigure or something to get it to defaults? |
| 19:35.28 | beardy | Danar: /etc/inittab, and perhaps /etc/syslog.conf, if you have log output to one of them |
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| 19:38.24 | Danar | beardy, i don't see anything in /etc/inittab for terminal 7 or 8, and nothing relevant in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 19:38.37 | beardy | Danar: Perhaps you have installed something that shows dmesg output then, but It would be stupid of it to (if it exists, and does) takeover the default tty for X.. |
| 19:38.42 | Danar | wait.. |
| 19:38.57 | benwadsworth | thanks guys - i've got debian working to the full now and it's great! |
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| 19:40.27 | Danar | beardy, well, my original install way back when was from some debian-based livecd. it was configured to use the debian repository for upgrades, and so it's become a debian system. i suppose it's a leftover from the original |
| 19:40.58 | beardy | Danar: Well, I asked if you ran debian, and of course you had to say yes, and not mention that, nooo, of course not.. |
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| 19:41.18 | markybob | i'm trying to scp something from home to work and keep getting this error and i'm not too sure what to do about it. "scp: FATAL: Executing ssh1 in compatibility mode failed (Check that scp1 is in y our PATH)." both the server and my desktop have scp, which confuses me |
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| 19:41.25 | jair_11 | hello guys, I have a dual boot machine Debian Sarge 3.1 stable and windows xp pro, the default operating system is Debian Sarge if i do not press anything, it is a way that i can change this options and make the default boot OS windows and second Sarge? |
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| 19:41.27 | Danar | i wasn't sure it would be relevant |
| 19:41.39 | Danar | though once i suspected it was i pointed it out... |
| 19:41.39 | beardy | Danar: Ok, well, it seems it is. |
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| 19:42.17 | stouset | \ |
| 19:42.25 | Musa | hi all |
| 19:42.41 | Beik | jair_11: have a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst (option default) |
| 19:42.45 | beardy | Danar: I suspected it from the start, that's why I asked you. |
| 19:43.16 | Danar | yeh... :/ |
| 19:43.32 | Danar | beardy, well, i still wanna know how to fix it :p |
| 19:43.52 | beardy | Danar: Who knows which livecd you used, and how they did things. |
| 19:43.53 | Danar | beardy, and this is a debian install now. every package is a debian one |
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| 19:44.35 | kurtak | there a way to know everything /msg dpkg can tell you about? |
| 19:44.45 | Danar | beardy, i have a question... why is it stupid to change a default? if it's changeable, then no app should rely on it being the default |
| 19:45.04 | jair_11 | Beik, yes i check it and I comment out the kernel option 386 because I have the 686 already and as a default |
| 19:45.06 | wethiak | sward: You're clueless. |
| 19:45.14 | jair_11 | Beik, I will take a look and read there to see. |
| 19:45.23 | beardy | Danar: You can change whatever you want, but know what you are doing, and don't complain to me it what you do, in your way, doesn't work. |
| 19:45.34 | sward | wethiak: cheers |
| 19:46.04 | Beik | jair_11: there is an option called 'default' in menu.lst, which is well commented. |
| 19:46.05 | Danar | beardy, not my way. i don't even know how to change it. and i'm not complaining. it seems to work fine as it is. i just want things how the "should" be. (the debian way) |
| 19:46.05 | wethiak | sward: :) |
| 19:46.42 | beardy | Danar: As I said, who knows which things they have changed. |
| 19:47.04 | beardy | Danar: Debian is Debian, and if you want to be sure if you are running Debian, install Debian. Stable. |
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| 19:48.28 | jair_11 | Beik, i am cheking that now :) |
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| 19:49.46 | Zvpun | how can I hide an argument from ps output? I have to pass a password in cleartext and dont want it to show up in ps outputs. I absolutly have to pass it via commandline. |
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| 19:50.17 | [linewaver] | how do I list my installed packages with apt-cache, preferrably sorted by size, because I low on diskscpae! |
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| 19:50.55 | Miesco | How do I browse files on a webserver? |
| 19:51.06 | Miesco | If there is a index.html |
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| 19:51.32 | Zvpun | Miesco: you can only get a list of files on the webserver if it provides it. |
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| 19:51.41 | Miesco | Okay |
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| 19:51.58 | revan_ | hi |
| 19:52.08 | revan_ | just looking for a little help |
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| 19:52.18 | revan_ | anyone know what can be done when this happens? |
| 19:52.19 | revan_ | : |
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| 19:52.33 | Beik | [linewaver]: a solution: dpkg -l | grep 'ii ' |
| 19:52.37 | Danar | xdm, kdm, gdm, etc are unnecessary? |
| 19:52.46 | revan_ | madjik@ik53030:~/shoutcast-1-9-5-linux-glibc6$ ldd ./sc_serv |
| 19:52.46 | revan_ | /usr/bin/ldd: line 1: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: No such file or directory |
| 19:52.47 | revan_ | ldd: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code (127) |
| 19:52.47 | Danar | (for X) |
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| 19:52.59 | [linewaver] | Beik: thanks a lot! |
| 19:53.15 | revan_ | (trying to run shoutcast server on a x86_64 debian 3.1) |
| 19:53.23 | Danar | beardy, it was in /etc/syslog.conf after all |
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| 19:53.38 | Beik | [linewaver]: you're welcome. |
| 19:53.56 | dumezil | ive got a network switch that has a serial port on it for configuration. ive hooked up a serial cable to the switch from my computer. i run minicom and turn on the switch and i see the boot up process, but when i try to type anything, nothing happens... what am i doing wrong? |
| 19:54.22 | terrencevak | OK, X is a dangerous thing. `-) I'm getting hooked on inkscape. |
| 19:54.47 | terrencevak | beardy: Maybe you *shouldn't* have told me how to find the menu. `-) |
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| 19:54.54 | Beik | is shoutcast part of debian? |
| 19:55.12 | innovati | how do you check what GFX card you have from command-line in debian? |
| 19:55.14 | revan_ | sorry no |
| 19:55.14 | eXistenZ | I cannot find a decent dsp plugin for shoutcast =/. |
| 19:55.17 | pelmen | is debian the best ? |
| 19:55.22 | Zvpun | innovati: lspci |
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| 19:55.32 | innovati | shank ya |
| 19:55.33 | abrotman | !tell pelmen about why debian |
| 19:55.51 | revan_ | it is a binary downloaded from the shoutcast website |
| 19:56.02 | revan_ | looks like it's a missing library problem |
| 19:56.11 | terrencevak | OK, gotta run, all; see you around. `-) |
| 19:56.16 | Beik | revan_: have a look at icecast and darkice |
| 19:56.28 | revan_ | but i don't know what packages could add this ld-linux.so.2 |
| 19:56.42 | pelmen | rpmseek.net |
| 19:56.51 | abrotman | pelmen: for what? |
| 19:57.03 | revan_ | beik: ok thanks. Already thought about this. But it's not for me and that person _absolutly_ wants to keep using shoutcast :) |
| 19:57.09 | pelmen | to find what package conntains this file |
| 19:57.16 | revan_ | thx pelmen |
| 19:57.18 | abrotman | we don't use rpms |
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| 19:57.24 | abrotman | nor should anyone try |
| 19:57.25 | Beik | revan_: ok ;) |
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| 19:57.29 | pelmen | there are *.deb too |
| 19:57.29 | jair_11 | Beik, so all i have to do is change the position of the:http://pastebin.com/390418 to the top like and move the linux one down? ->http://pastebin.com/390420 |
| 19:57.30 | abrotman | revan_: DO NOT do what he said |
| 19:57.34 | revan_ | hehe |
| 19:57.37 | abrotman | !tell revan_ about search |
| 19:57.39 | revan_ | yup sure |
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| 19:57.59 | mne | hi there ! I've a problem with my snmpd, it reports that eth0 has a speed of zero and its operating status is down although the card is running fine. How can I solve this issue ? |
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| 19:58.04 | pelmen | i know thet you don't use rpms :) |
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| 19:58.16 | pelmen | becouse i don'y too |
| 19:58.20 | pelmen | don't |
| 19:58.25 | abrotman | and we SHOULD NEVER use .debs from outside debian unless you know *exactly* what you're doing |
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| 19:58.30 | revan_ | ok thanks for the search tip |
| 19:58.42 | abrotman | !find ld-linux.so.2 sarge |
| 19:58.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ld-linux.so.2' (3): (/usr/lib/debug/ld-linux.so.2) in libdevel/libc6-dbg ;; (/lib/tls/i686/cmov/ld-linux.so.2) in libs/libc6-i686 ;; (/lib/ld-linux.so.2, /lib/tls/ld-linux.so.2) in base/libc6. |
| 19:58.53 | revan_ | oupps |
| 19:58.55 | pelmen | i have linux on my machine for 3 month |
| 19:58.59 | pelmen | $) |
| 19:59.05 | revan_ | dpkg -S ld-linux.so.2 |
| 19:59.06 | dpkg | Package: ld-linux.so.2: Status: install ok installed |
| 19:59.06 | revan_ | dpkg: *ld-linux.so.2* not found. |
| 19:59.12 | abrotman | revan_: it's in libc6 |
| 19:59.12 | bla4-miam | salut |
| 19:59.25 | pelmen | before I used Wind...s :) |
| 19:59.38 | Beik | jair_11: sorry. I don't understand. |
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| 20:00.02 | stouset | abrotman: I agree. I will never use a .deb from outside Debian until he knows what he's doing. |
| 20:00.14 | pelmen | and I have never used irc - it is my first time |
| 20:00.21 | revan_ | thx abrotman |
| 20:00.21 | abrotman | stouset: don't start! .. i've got a rail gun in my pocket! |
| 20:00.27 | bla4-miam | bonjour pour creer des comptes sous linux la commande c est useradd quelqu un connait il la commande sous win98 ?? |
| 20:00.27 | pelmen | %) |
| 20:00.30 | stouset | abrotman: Aiee! |
| 20:00.30 | abrotman | !fr |
| 20:00.30 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:00.31 | jair_11 | Beik, when i am booting the sarge option is first? it will boot default to sarge, instead windows xp, I want to change that to make the default windows |
| 20:00.34 | revan_ | strange though libc6 should be install |
| 20:00.41 | revan_ | but well it's on a x86_64 |
| 20:00.43 | abrotman | revan_: it should be |
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| 20:01.05 | citral | bla4-miam: ask in #windows damnit |
| 20:01.06 | [linewaver] | how can I find the largest file in my filesystem? |
| 20:01.08 | jair_11 | Beik, so i am thinking if I copy those lines at the begining of the menu.lst it will boot windows first? |
| 20:01.15 | Beik | jair_11: you can just change the value of the option named 'default', but can also change the os-entries. |
| 20:01.15 | limbi | jair_11: edit your boot loader conf |
| 20:01.18 | revan_ | libc6: /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 |
| 20:01.23 | [linewaver] | something with find and sort, but dont remember |
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| 20:01.45 | stouset | [linewaver]: du | sort | head -n1 |
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| 20:01.48 | abrotman | [linewaver]: man find |
| 20:01.54 | valdyn | jair_11: yes but there's a 'default' setting in /boot/grub/menu.lst, read the comment above it too |
| 20:01.55 | pelmen | when will ETCH be done ? anybody knows ? |
| 20:01.57 | bla4-miam | hello |
| 20:01.57 | Beik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.01 | abrotman | revan_: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 20:02.02 | stouset | [linewaver]: well, du / | sort | head -n1 |
| 20:02.04 | abrotman | pelmen: when it's done |
| 20:02.15 | abrotman | bla4-miam: #debian-fr |
| 20:02.15 | pelmen | what? |
| 20:02.16 | revan_ | abrotman: thxxxxx |
| 20:02.18 | abrotman | !wir |
| 20:02.18 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 20:02.19 | [linewaver] | thanks! |
| 20:02.20 | abrotman | !siyh |
| 20:02.20 | dpkg | i guess siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 20:02.22 | abrotman | !etch |
| 20:02.22 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 20:02.31 | valdyn | pelmen: impossible to know. |
| 20:02.32 | stouset | [linewaver]: Argh. I suck. |
| 20:02.34 | pelmen | it will be done when it will be done ?? |
| 20:02.34 | limbi | pelmen: ETCH? etch is testing |
| 20:02.43 | stouset | [linewaver]: That won't work. |
| 20:02.48 | abrotman | find! |
| 20:02.50 | abrotman | man find! |
| 20:02.56 | pelmen | man find! |
| 20:03.00 | [linewaver] | du | sort -rn | head -5 |
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| 20:03.02 | pelmen | oups |
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| 20:03.41 | pelmen | sorry, I am from russia and my english is very bad |
| 20:03.46 | wethiak | !ru |
| 20:03.46 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 20:03.47 | valdyn | !ru |
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| 20:03.56 | stouset | [linewaver]: That won't work. du returns directories, not just files. |
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| 20:04.01 | pelmen | !ru |
| 20:04.01 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 20:04.11 | brc_ | if I need a file in the unixodbc-dev package (odbcinst.h), and I really don't want the 40megs of dependencies aptitude wants to install...is there a way to tell it to install just unixodbc-dev and ignore all dependencies? |
| 20:04.23 | thingfish | pogalujsta? that's not right. it should be pozhalujsta |
| 20:04.31 | citral | find -type etc. |
| 20:04.36 | valdyn | brc_: download it from http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 20:04.43 | pelmen | haha pojalujsta :) |
| 20:04.44 | grendal_prime | is there a program out there that you can point to a avi or mpeg and have it detail what codecs are required to view it? |
| 20:04.48 | stouset | [linewaver]: find / -type f | du | sort -rn | head -n1 |
| 20:04.49 | pelmen | spasibo |
| 20:04.56 | thingfish | ne za shto |
| 20:05.03 | Jeo | I crashed my debian 3.0, I can not boot anymore... I mixed stable with testing sources in the source.list |
| 20:05.03 | pelmen | molodec |
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| 20:05.08 | stouset | [linewaver]: Blah, I give up. |
| 20:05.08 | brc_ | valdyn, k, then I imagine there's a dpkg flag to ignore deps? |
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| 20:05.16 | abrotman | pelmen: #debian-es |
| 20:05.19 | stouset | [linewaver]: find / -type f | xargs du | sort -rn | head -n1 |
| 20:05.21 | [linewaver] | it doesnt work? |
| 20:05.22 | brc_ | oh |
| 20:05.23 | pelmen | what is it ? |
| 20:05.25 | Jeo | I downloaded the 3.1, there is some way to update it? |
| 20:05.25 | brc_ | yeah, exactly that |
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| 20:05.26 | valdyn | brc_: why would you want to *install* the package w/o deps? |
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| 20:05.40 | valdyn | brc_: if you really need only that file, you can use dpkg -x ( man dpkg for details ) |
| 20:05.43 | pelmen | abrotman: what is it ? |
| 20:05.44 | stouset | [linewaver]: That last one works. Finally. I hate being sleep deprived. |
| 20:05.49 | abrotman | stouset: why not just find .. and print the size and file name .. pipe to sort -n ? |
| 20:05.53 | Jeo | or which command could I use in the boot: |
| 20:05.56 | Jeo | rescue? |
| 20:05.59 | stouset | abrotman: Because frankly I hate find :\ |
| 20:06.08 | [linewaver] | I get: xargs: unmatched single quote |
| 20:06.09 | Jeo | rescue and what? |
| 20:06.15 | abrotman | stouset: hrm .. ok |
| 20:06.16 | citral | find is your friend |
| 20:06.19 | stouset | abrotman: Fine, I give :\ |
| 20:06.28 | grendal_prime | hate...wow..thats a strong word for such a smalapp |
| 20:06.29 | brc_ | valdyn, because unixodbc-dev depends on a few lib's which appear to be gtk related that I really don't want cluttering up the box for no reason |
| 20:06.29 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 20:06.32 | pelmen | #debian-es |
| 20:06.36 | pelmen | hm... |
| 20:06.50 | pelmen | what should I do whith that ? |
| 20:06.50 | Beik | pelmen: do you wnat to go to #debian-es |
| 20:06.53 | Beik | ? |
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| 20:06.59 | pelmen | I don'n know |
| 20:07.00 | valdyn | brc_: depends mean that its useless ( non-functional ) without them. |
| 20:07.00 | grendal_prime | abrotman, you know of any application that i could scan an avi to determin codecs needed to play it? |
| 20:07.01 | Ronin | pelmen: its /j #debian-es usually |
| 20:07.02 | pelmen | :) |
| 20:07.07 | Jeo | actually I would like to know if there is some way to update the 3.0 to 3.1 |
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| 20:07.07 | abrotman | grendal_prime: nfc |
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| 20:07.13 | grendal_prime | mencoder probably but i dont...nfc? |
| 20:07.14 | grendal_prime | k |
| 20:07.15 | abrotman | pelmen: nm .. i thought you were spanish |
| 20:07.16 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 20:07.16 | pelmen | I have never used irc |
| 20:07.17 | abrotman | !nfc |
| 20:07.17 | dpkg | it has been said that nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 20:07.18 | brc_ | valdyn, not when I just need the header file to compile something else |
| 20:07.26 | grendal_prime | ahhhh |
| 20:07.28 | pelmen | no I am from Russia |
| 20:07.31 | valdyn | brc_: then use dpkg -x |
| 20:07.32 | maher | is there some console tool that will tell you what mouse buttons are being pressed? |
| 20:07.38 | bbrazil | [linewaver]: http://netsoc.tcd.ie/~bbrazil/matrix/scripts/src/largest20 |
| 20:07.39 | brc_ | yeah, thanks |
| 20:07.44 | pelmen | :) |
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| 20:07.48 | valdyn | brc_: but either way a *header* never works alone to compile something |
| 20:07.51 | citral | maher: xev? |
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| 20:08.00 | stouset | find / -type f -printf "%s %f\n" | sort -rn | head -n1 |
| 20:08.15 | stouset | abrotman: Yeah, you were right. Anything else is too much of a pain, but god I hate find. |
| 20:08.24 | abrotman | stouset: you love it .. :) |
| 20:08.26 | valdyn | brc_: you just postpone the error to linking stage instead of preprocess stage |
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| 20:08.36 | Beik | pelmen: /j #debian-russian |
| 20:08.36 | pelmen | hm... there is no #debian-ru channel :( |
| 20:08.48 | Jeo | someone could pvt me to help me with a rescue process? |
| 20:08.48 | [linewaver] | find $dirname -type f -printf "%k %p\n" | sort -rn | head -n 5 |
| 20:08.49 | stouset | abrotman: All because of -exec. |
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| 20:08.56 | brc_ | I'm compiling asterisk with odbc support, and afaik it just needs the header.. |
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| 20:09.14 | pelmen | o |
| 20:09.15 | pelmen | thx |
| 20:09.17 | pelmen | !!! |
| 20:09.17 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 20:09.19 | pelmen | :) |
| 20:09.25 | pelmen | good bye everybody |
| 20:09.32 | valdyn | brc_: good luck trying |
| 20:09.39 | abrotman | gah .. wtf |
| 20:09.44 | Beik | pelmen: /j #debian-russian |
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| 20:09.55 | pelmen | I'v just joined it :) |
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| 20:09.59 | brc_ | obviously I've got the .so also |
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| 20:10.14 | jshriver | Greetings :) |
| 20:10.16 | thomas__ | can someone help Me? |
| 20:10.20 | Beik | pelmen: I see. |
| 20:10.25 | brc_ | I could be wrong...was once, back in 56 |
| 20:10.32 | pelmen | thx |
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| 20:10.39 | Tera_Rocker | how mane cd a need instal debian ? |
| 20:10.40 | brc_ | thomas__, it's best to simply ask a question |
| 20:10.42 | stouset | brc_: 3:56? |
| 20:10.49 | abrotman | stouset: you know .. my idea takes a LONG time :) |
| 20:10.52 | jshriver | Anyone know of a free e-commerce package for linux? A web storefront, and able to take and process orders |
| 20:10.56 | brc_ | 19 |
| 20:10.57 | stouset | brc_: Well, technically, he asked a question. |
| 20:11.02 | brc_ | true that |
| 20:11.12 | abrotman | interchange ? |
| 20:11.14 | brc_ | !smart questions |
| 20:11.14 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 20:11.21 | stouset | abrotman: Heh. You want to talk about taking a long time? |
| 20:11.21 | thomas__ | dowloaded realplayer into ubuntu how do i run the bin file i've got the same problem with the winamp download-HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 20:11.24 | Tera_Rocker | how many cds i need to install debian??? |
| 20:11.30 | abrotman | stouset: still constipated? |
| 20:11.33 | [linewaver] | how can I empty the apt cache to save space? |
| 20:11.36 | abrotman | !d-i Tera_Rocker |
| 20:11.36 | brc_ | thomas__, for ubuntu help please go to #ubuntu |
| 20:11.36 | dpkg | Tera_Rocker, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:11.40 | abrotman | apt-get clean |
| 20:11.42 | valdyn | brc_: ah you can use alient --to-tgz to strip deps and --to-deb again to make a deb w/o deps |
| 20:11.43 | Beik | !ubuntu |
| 20:11.43 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 20:11.50 | valdyn | brc_: s/alient/alien/ |
| 20:11.58 | [linewaver] | ah cool |
| 20:11.58 | citral | bah yet another troll |
| 20:12.12 | brc_ | valdyn, good suggestion, I'll give that a try |
| 20:12.14 | stouset | abrotman: Right now, I've got to write a web interface for viewing logs for customizable ranges of dates/years. However, they're all stored on the filesystem in the format 2005/10/10/0400.log, and there's one EVERY HOUR. Collating two years of data takes *forever*. |
| 20:12.15 | jethro | @annoy thomas__ |
| 20:12.18 | asuffield | [linewaver]: you probably want to be running apt-get autoclean, though |
| 20:12.19 | jethro | duh |
| 20:12.24 | jethro | ravenbird is a bitch |
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| 20:12.29 | [linewaver] | do I? |
| 20:12.36 | asuffield | clean deletes everything |
| 20:12.39 | limbi | tera rocker: u need 100mg iso to download |
| 20:12.42 | citral | they killed ravenbird! |
| 20:12.43 | asuffield | autoclean just deletes the stuff that's obsolete |
| 20:12.47 | abrotman | stouset: you need a faster way :) |
| 20:12.50 | citral | you bastards :) |
| 20:12.57 | limbi | tera rocker: and then netinstall :) |
| 20:12.57 | jethro | citral: :) |
| 20:13.00 | abrotman | !tell limbi about u |
| 20:13.01 | myren | anyone have suggestions for file transfer between systems? i'm using samba on an unused 100mbit segment and its peakign at 3MB |
| 20:13.05 | stouset | abrotman: Well, how fast do you think reading and processing 20000 files should be? :P |
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| 20:13.24 | citral | myren: tried ftp? |
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| 20:13.27 | myren | I'd prefer to avoid setting up an ftp server. |
| 20:13.29 | valdyn | myren: your cabling and/or network card(s) suck, that likely has nothing to do with samba |
| 20:13.33 | abrotman | stouset: depends on the size .. duih |
| 20:13.36 | stouset | abrotman: My suggestion was to pre-generate common reports via a cron script, and cache custom reports as they're fetched... |
| 20:13.45 | valdyn | myren: and is not at all unusual bandwidth maximum for cheap nics |
| 20:13.47 | stouset | abrotman: :\ |
| 20:13.53 | Beik | myren: scp? over what kind of link? |
| 20:14.00 | abrotman | stouset: if each log file is 3k .. not too long :) |
| 20:14.07 | myren | Its just ethernet - switch - ethernet |
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| 20:14.23 | valdyn | myren: its always that ) |
| 20:14.27 | myren | i've found scp tops out pretty qucik, its so massively cpu intensive |
| 20:14.28 | citral | myren: can be caused by a slow disk, too |
| 20:14.41 | myren | 3 MB! It's an otherwise unused computer |
| 20:14.49 | abrotman | stouset: $ find / -size +0 -exec ls -s '{}' \; | sort -n ... evil .. very evil :) |
| 20:14.51 | citral | myren: or misconfigured... looked at hdparm? |
| 20:14.59 | myren | I know the hd can do more. |
| 20:15.05 | Beik | myren: get gigabit-ethernet. |
| 20:15.12 | citral | blah |
| 20:15.13 | valdyn | myren: what i said, 2 cheap rtl8139 and you're probably lucky getting even that |
| 20:15.13 | stouset | abrotman: Missing argument to exec. |
| 20:15.24 | stouset | abrotman: nm, forgot a space. |
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| 20:15.27 | stouset | abrotman: exactly why I hate find. |
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| 20:15.32 | myren | I just dont understand will gigabit will help if I'm only getting 1/4 what I could be anyways |
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| 20:15.45 | citral | it won't |
| 20:15.47 | asuffield | myren: unlikely. maybe. |
| 20:15.48 | myren | It might be cheap nics. I thoguht they both had decent 3com's in them though. |
| 20:15.49 | valdyn | myren: b/c its your NICs fault that things are slow |
| 20:15.52 | abrotman | stouset: works for me! .. PEBCAK! |
| 20:16.15 | valdyn | myren: well, as i said, maybe its cable, maybe its even the switch |
| 20:16.16 | stouset | abrotman: also, that will grab directories |
| 20:16.31 | abrotman | stouset: which are 4096 .. and obviously not hte largest :) |
| 20:16.38 | citral | valdyn: 100% sure the switch is Base 100? |
| 20:16.40 | myren | It is a genero- linksys switch thing. Maybe I should upgrade to a hub. :/ |
| 20:16.41 | abrotman | stouset: he said he just wanted the largeest file |
| 20:16.42 | asuffield | myren: but to answer your original question, the fastest realistic methods are (a) apache, for unencrypted, and (b) rsync over ssh, for encrypted |
| 20:16.43 | citral | sorry |
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| 20:16.49 | valdyn | citral: umm? |
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| 20:16.52 | myren | Apache, now tahts not a bad idea. |
| 20:16.56 | brc_ | myren, other way round |
| 20:16.56 | citral | that was for myren |
| 20:17.01 | valdyn | citral: base 10 wouldnt even give 3 MB |
| 20:17.08 | stouset | abrotman: :P |
| 20:17.10 | myren | Switch is 100bt. |
| 20:17.11 | asuffield | myren: install apache, mkdir ~/public_html, symlink shit into it, wget |
| 20:17.12 | abrotman | stouset: hrm .. doesn't gram dirs here .. but it could be limited to just files |
| 20:17.44 | myren | Alright, thanks much. I'll try some stuff. |
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| 20:17.48 | stouset | abrotman: Ah, gotcha. I assumed it worked like du and calculated dir size as the total of its files. Besides, 4096 might be the largest file on his filesystem :) |
| 20:17.52 | stouset | abrotman: Easy enough to do -type f. |
| 20:17.56 | Beik | myren: there are also smaller httpds in debian. apt-get install httpd |
| 20:18.14 | asuffield | Beik: who cares? apache is tiny |
| 20:18.19 | valdyn | or just netcat /dev/zero |
| 20:18.37 | asuffield | Beik: the thing is like 1Mb |
| 20:18.43 | Beik | asuffield: donÄt think so ;) |
| 20:18.45 | citral | I'd have begun with hdparm -t /dev/hda but well... |
| 20:18.54 | abrotman | stouset: i said that! |
| 20:19.10 | Beik | asuffield: I use thttpd and lighttpd |
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| 20:19.26 | abrotman | !info apache2-common sarge |
| 20:19.28 | dpkg | apache2-common: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 779 kB, Installed size: 1916 kB |
| 20:19.34 | asuffield | Beik: uh huh, and you're using how many processors and millions of clients? |
| 20:19.49 | abrotman | asuffield: 2 and .. 2!! |
| 20:20.02 | asuffield | abrotman: I was looking at apache 1.3 and counting download size |
| 20:20.58 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:21.01 | stouset | find: WARNING: Hard link count is wrong for /proc/13398: this may be a bug in your filesystem driver. Automatically turning on find's -noleaf option. Earlier results may have failed to include directories that should have been searched. |
| 20:21.14 | stouset | abrotman: On the other hand, it did work. Just spit out that warning :) |
| 20:21.27 | asuffield | stouset: running find in /proc is generally a daft idea |
| 20:21.37 | stouset | abrotman: Well, he was searching in /. |
| 20:21.42 | Beik | asuffield: You haven't convinced me. I don't want to install 2MBs when I can get the same with 225KB. |
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| 20:22.06 | asuffield | Beik: dude, go down to the nearest store and buy a new hard drive. you can get 80Gb for like $30 |
| 20:22.08 | stew | stouset: you want to add a -mount to find |
| 20:22.15 | asuffield | you will cease to care about numbers smaller than 100Mb |
| 20:22.19 | OliverGTK | ljubavi |
| 20:22.26 | stouset | stew: No, because he wanted to look over his whole tree :) |
| 20:22.26 | OliverGTK | volim te puno |
| 20:22.31 | Beik | asuffield: why be inefficient? |
| 20:22.34 | OliverGTK | bas si sexi |
| 20:22.51 | asuffield | Beik: because apache is a more efficient use of *time*. install, go, ignore it |
| 20:22.54 | abrotman | stouset: i know |
| 20:22.58 | asuffield | there's a reason why everybody uses it |
| 20:23.11 | abrotman | why be difficult |
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| 20:23.24 | stouset | asuffield: Peer pressure? :) |
| 20:23.35 | abrotman | come on .. everyone's doing it .. it's the cool thing to do |
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| 20:24.16 | stouset | asuffield: He could use WEBrick, which is only 208K! |
| 20:24.38 | asuffield | or khttpd, which installs no userspace files at all! 0k! |
| 20:24.53 | asuffield | then he can sit there with 60Gb of unused disk space and feel proud |
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| 20:25.18 | stew | he just just sit on the terminal and run nc, and paste replies to http requests by hand! |
| 20:25.24 | abrotman | asuffield: more room for warez/porn |
| 20:25.39 | Beik | asuffield: it's installed on 69% of webservers visited by netcraft. have you ever imagined what's the percentage of ms systems on the desktop. |
| 20:25.44 | asuffield | stew: I know a guy who doesn't own a computer at all, he just sits there and licks the ethernet cable |
| 20:25.51 | stew | haha |
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| 20:26.49 | Beik | !flame war |
| 20:26.50 | dpkg | war: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 20:26.58 | Beik | ;) |
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| 20:27.08 | stouset | asuffield: Big deal. I hold the phone up to my mouth and whistle at 2600 baud. |
| 20:27.26 | asuffield | I can whistle good enough to get a modem to whistle back :) |
| 20:27.31 | asuffield | useful talent for debugging ancient shit |
| 20:27.32 | stew | stouset: nah, the guy with the tounge wins |
| 20:27.38 | stew | tongue* |
| 20:27.49 | stouset | stew: Yeah, probably right... |
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| 20:27.58 | asuffield | (it's actually not that hard, they're very tolerant of noisy carriers) |
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| 20:28.01 | stew | stouset: esp since you are going to find very few modems that talk 2600 baud |
| 20:28.09 | stouset | stew: That's always been my problem :( |
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| 20:30.11 | dragec | Hi all. |
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| 20:30.30 | dragec | Could someone help with setting up leafnode nntp server? |
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| 20:30.59 | dragec | I'm running leafnode through inetd , standard installation |
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| 20:31.05 | dragec | Firewall is open |
| 20:31.10 | dragec | But ... |
| 20:31.28 | dragec | Remote connections to this nntp don't work. |
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| 20:31.41 | dragec | I guess there's something wrong with my inetd: |
| 20:31.41 | xelam | I could never make leafnode work reliably |
| 20:31.49 | Morphje | hahahahaha ... i just had a revelation, someone i know is using windows, iis, mysql and php. I told him that the only real solution was LAMP, but when i combine the words for his setup it spells WIMP :) |
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| 20:32.07 | dragec | Here is debug message from inetd: |
| 20:32.08 | dragec | someone wants nntp |
| 20:32.08 | dragec | accept, ctrl 3 |
| 20:32.09 | dragec | 21966 execl /usr/sbin/tcpd |
| 20:32.09 | dragec | 21966 reaped, status 0 |
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| 20:32.09 | abrotman | who would whistle at 2600 baud .. it was 2600 Hz to get the tone .. you guys are crazy |
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| 20:32.23 | dragec | Sorry |
| 20:32.25 | abrotman | dragec: DONT paste |
| 20:32.27 | NyteRukh | hi |
| 20:32.28 | stew | yeah thats why i said he'd find few modems... |
| 20:32.33 | dragec | sorry |
| 20:32.45 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. i know what he was triyng to say .. but stouset botched it badly :) |
| 20:32.47 | asuffield | I don't think I hit 2600Hz, probably one of the other carrier frequencies |
| 20:33.07 | abrotman | 2600 isn't that high iirc |
| 20:33.12 | dragec | So, here is debug message from inetd: |
| 20:33.13 | Beik | !tell dragec about paste |
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| 20:33.24 | dragec | someone wants nntp |
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| 20:33.36 | dragec | 21996 esecl /usr/sbin/tcpd |
| 20:33.37 | abrotman | is he gonna do it again? .. he can't ... |
| 20:33.40 | abrotman | dragec: STOP STOP STOP |
| 20:33.46 | abrotman | he is that stupid |
| 20:33.46 | dragec | I'm not pasting! |
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| 20:33.51 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:33.51 | dpkg | [paste] Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 20:33.53 | abrotman | paste there! |
| 20:34.01 | dragec | Ok |
| 20:34.03 | dragec | Anyway |
| 20:34.13 | dragec | Did anyone had same problem? |
| 20:34.35 | abrotman | what .. flooding a channel and getting kicked? |
| 20:34.47 | dragec | No, setting up leafnode on small network |
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| 20:37.17 | dragec | abortman, thanks for your help |
| 20:37.24 | abrotman | i don't know leafnode |
| 20:37.26 | abrotman | i've never touched |
| 20:37.29 | abrotman | don't be a douche |
| 20:37.33 | abrotman | touched it |
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| 20:37.48 | cortex | I tried installing linux-image-2.6.13-amd64-k8, and at some point in the bootup process the screen just turns blank. It seems to be starting up just fine, but the screen remains blank. Has anyone else seen this? |
| 20:37.58 | abrotman | isn't there a #leafnode or some crap ? |
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| 20:38.23 | chealer | cortex, looks likde vesa b0rkage |
| 20:38.24 | dragec | I'll look around |
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| 20:39.09 | cortex | chealer: yes, that sounds likely |
| 20:39.23 | dragec | One more question: does anyone has experience with installing driver for Ralink rt2500 chipset based wireless card? |
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| 20:43.20 | abrotman | !moo |
| 20:43.21 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 20:43.34 | bowman | hi.. is there any way to install the qt4 packages parallel to the qt3 packages? |
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| 20:45.19 | joelio | hi, can someone recommend a good firewall script/app to use on a server.. I saw something from rfxnetworks.com called apf.. I like it's ddos and dshield.org interaction..anything on a similar tip in a .deb? |
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| 20:46.09 | linad | good evening all |
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| 20:46.17 | joelio | evening |
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| 20:46.34 | chealer | bowman, try it or ask #debian-kde |
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| 20:47.25 | mfrisch | I cannot get my cups to network, what is the correct ipp url? |
| 20:47.43 | bowman | chealer: I did try :) qt3 is supposed to be removed. well, I'll look to #d.-kde |
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| 20:48.00 | chealer | bowman, is there a conflict? |
| 20:48.27 | bowman | chealer: apt wants to remove all installed qt3 packages before installing qt4 packages. must be a conflict ;) |
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| 20:49.17 | bobesponja | I'm trying to install udev bt it wants to remove hotplug, any idea what's wrong? |
| 20:49.32 | azeem | bobesponja: on unstable? |
| 20:49.46 | bobesponja | azeem: yes |
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| 20:50.04 | abrotman | because the maintainer is a crackhead |
| 20:50.15 | azeem | well, there are continuous issues with udev and hotplug, so I guess that is "normal" |
| 20:50.26 | dli | what's the module name for "USB device file system"? |
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| 20:50.45 | bobesponja | it also wants to remove libgphoto and digikam |
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| 20:51.14 | bobesponja | so right now i can't check out my digital cam :( |
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| 20:52.36 | bowman | well, no way to test qt4 obviously. :( |
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| 20:52.58 | chealer | bowman, that must depend on which binary package |
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| 20:53.17 | bobesponja | bowman: you can compile it yourself, it's pretty straight forward |
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| 20:54.19 | beginner | Hi |
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| 20:54.41 | xelam | hello |
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| 20:56.51 | bowman | bobesponja: yeah, I will do so :-) |
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| 20:57.58 | beginner | I've just installed sarge. Nice System but there's one problem I do not manage. Every boot my alsaconf is deleted. alsactl store / restore didn't help. Problem only with gnome. KDE works |
| 20:58.16 | DrGamut | How do I build a program with a config.m4 file in its directory. |
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| 20:59.49 | DrGamut | particularly a PECL program |
| 20:59.57 | mookie | hey, anyone know where I can get glib-config? I'm trying to compile a plugin for irssi and it needs that script |
| 21:00.10 | thecoolestcow | got a question. flash player movies have really delayed sound, every flash file i've tried. what could be the cause of it, and how can i fix it? |
| 21:00.20 | stouset | beginner: So, your sound in GNOME is reset every reboot? |
| 21:00.29 | mookie | thecoolestcow: I have the same problem |
| 21:00.38 | thecoolestcow | :-/ |
| 21:01.09 | beginner | right. after alsaconf it works but after every reboot there is no sound |
| 21:01.28 | shad0wcat | hmm |
| 21:01.36 | shad0wcat | so I'm of no help |
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| 21:01.45 | beginner | kde? |
| 21:01.53 | shad0wcat | yeah |
| 21:02.12 | vca | thecoolestcow: it's possible the sound is latent because it's sending to ESD or something goofy. |
| 21:02.26 | groogs | I'm appending "> /dev/null 2>&1" to supress output from cronjobs .. there seems to be a problem though. anytime i have that, it forks CRON and starts running multilple instances, that also seem to just be running the crontab at the same time |
| 21:02.27 | shad0wcat | !esd |
| 21:02.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 21:02.33 | vca | i'm not sure if flash supports esd output, but for giggles try killing esd and see if it goes away |
| 21:02.36 | thecoolestcow | vca: how can i fix that, then? |
| 21:02.39 | shad0wcat | lol |
| 21:02.41 | thecoolestcow | k |
| 21:02.44 | shad0wcat | people apparently don't like esd |
| 21:02.48 | shad0wcat | wait |
| 21:02.48 | vca | it sucks. |
| 21:02.50 | shad0wcat | umm |
| 21:02.55 | shad0wcat | if you're using alsa |
| 21:03.05 | thecoolestcow | yeah, i am |
| 21:03.05 | shad0wcat | obviously gnome kills the configuration |
| 21:03.07 | shad0wcat | gnome uses esd |
| 21:03.09 | shad0wcat | not alsa |
| 21:03.15 | vca | ALSA can do software mixing sans ESD |
| 21:03.21 | thecoolestcow | i'm on KDE with alsa |
| 21:03.28 | shad0wcat | alsa > esd |
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| 21:03.48 | beginner | oss or alsa. alsa should be the newer and better system?? |
| 21:03.52 | vca | yep |
| 21:04.25 | shad0wcat | alsa > esd > oss |
| 21:04.33 | shad0wcat | or is that alsa > oss > esd |
| 21:04.34 | shad0wcat | oh well |
| 21:05.01 | vca | esd is nothing more than a userspace daemon meant to mix audio streams, without any real regard to latency. |
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| 21:05.05 | thecoolestcow | how do i find the PID of esd, or anything for that matter |
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| 21:05.28 | vca | thecoolestcow: ps auxwww |fgrep esd (pidof might work too) |
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| 21:06.31 | beginner | think I first try kde although gnome is better for recognizing usb-devices |
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| 21:09.33 | Mortalman | Anyone know of a rescue root/boot that you can boot from a ntfs partition using boot.ini ? |
| 21:10.03 | beginner | ok, thx for this time. bye |
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| 21:10.35 | Ungy | Mortalman, well you can do a dos boot with ntfs support |
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| 21:10.44 | dragec | abrotman, I solved that one with leafnode |
| 21:10.52 | abrotman | dragec: yay .. what next? |
| 21:11.14 | dragec | I missed leafnode : 192.168.0.0 in my hosts.allow |
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| 21:11.27 | dragec | hehe :) |
| 21:11.30 | Ungy | Mortalman, I downloaded a copy of it from the net around 1997 or so it works great unfortunatly I do not have it with me btu I bet it is out there somewhere |
| 21:11.38 | dragec | What next? Sendmail, of course! |
| 21:11.41 | Mortalman | Ungy: Interesting, but will DOS(with NTFS support) actualy boot from NTFS? |
| 21:11.42 | dragec | :) |
| 21:11.53 | jair_11 | guys a secure and good ftp client for linux? |
| 21:11.57 | jair_11 | for debian? |
| 21:12.02 | dragec | jair: gftp ? |
| 21:12.04 | jethro | ecure? |
| 21:12.06 | abrotman | dragec: postfix |
| 21:12.11 | jethro | secure? what do you mean by secure? |
| 21:12.22 | abrotman | haha .. secure .. good . ftp |
| 21:12.24 | abrotman | that's funny |
| 21:12.25 | Beik | jair_11: with gui? |
| 21:12.33 | jair_11 | yes with gui |
| 21:12.33 | abrotman | can i make it a qotd? :) |
| 21:12.34 | Ungy | Mortalman, what do you mean boot from ntfs you boot fromt eh disk and then browse and chage the ntfs drive |
| 21:12.48 | citral | a one that would magically encrypt your passwor? haha |
| 21:12.50 | Beik | jair_11: if you're using kde try konqueror |
| 21:12.51 | jethro | abrotman: make sure you include the part about the guy :) |
| 21:12.54 | dragec | abrotman, do you have any good Postfix howto link? :) |
| 21:12.54 | jair_11 | is for one of the web design instructors |
| 21:13.03 | jair_11 | Beik, hahah ;) |
| 21:13.05 | jair_11 | cool |
| 21:13.11 | jair_11 | dragec, right |
| 21:13.15 | jair_11 | I am using kde |
| 21:13.18 | Beik | jair_11: errrm... this is no joke. |
| 21:13.20 | dragec | So what |
| 21:13.28 | jair_11 | let me check |
| 21:13.28 | jair_11 | it |
| 21:13.30 | dragec | Jair_11, gftp runs under KDE |
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| 21:13.33 | Mortalman | Ungy: No, I mean have the actual DOS files in c:\DOS and have boot.ini --> c:\DOS\io.sys="MS DOS- NTFS" |
| 21:13.36 | jair_11 | I kind of like gftp as well |
| 21:14.01 | dragec | there you go |
| 21:14.13 | mookie | do any of you know how to compile the dcc-speed-limit plugin on debian? http://www.irssi.org/files/plugins/dcc-send-limiter.c |
| 21:14.15 | Ungy | Mortalman, what exactly are you trying to do get files off of an NTFS drive or do somethign crazy? |
| 21:14.29 | Mortalman | Ungy: Did your DOS with NTFS support require another util or was the support within th io.sys ? |
| 21:14.40 | Mortalman | Ungy: Something crazy of course. |
| 21:14.42 | dragec | I'm too tired for seting up Postfix today. It will have to wait until tommorow :) |
| 21:14.57 | Beik | jair_11: just type ftp://<username>@<servername>.<tld>/ in konquerors addressbar. |
| 21:15.11 | abrotman | dragec: www.postfix.org has .. *tons* |
| 21:15.26 | dragec | Thanks |
| 21:15.39 | abrotman | !qotd152 is <jair_11> guys a secure and good ftp client for linux? |
| 21:15.40 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 21:15.45 | Ungy | Mortalman, not sure exactly didn't go that deep into it I will see if I can find it on line |
| 21:16.07 | groogs | if I append "> /dev/null" to cronjobs, i get leftover CRON processes running .. the normal parent "/usr/sbin/cron" has a child "/USR/SBIN/CRON" in D state, and it has a child "/USR/SBIN/CRON" in Ss state |
| 21:16.55 | groogs | it also seems to be running cronjobs more than once .. and grows constantly as each spawn more processes |
| 21:17.00 | abrotman | dpkg: no qotd152 is <jair_11> guys a secure and good ftp client for linux? | <jair_11> yes with gui |
| 21:17.01 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 21:17.18 | groogs | if i leave it long enouhg ,the system load gets very high and becomes unusable |
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| 21:17.31 | groogs | any idea why that would happen on debian sarge? |
| 21:17.56 | dragec | Good night to all ... |
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| 21:18.21 | dragec | Although I know there is day at your place :) |
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| 21:18.56 | Ungy | Mortalman, try here http://www.bootdisk.com/ntfs.htm |
| 21:19.35 | Cyis | mrtg is a b*tch to configure |
| 21:19.48 | Cyis | unless you're dealing with a router/switch |
| 21:20.10 | Mortalman | Ungy: Not sure if this will work, but I definately appreciate the effort. thanks |
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| 21:24.01 | Ungy | Mortalman, if I knew what you were tyring to do exactly I might be able to help further |
| 21:24.07 | Cyis | anyone using MRTG to monitor RAM and Swap via SNMP? |
| 21:24.21 | fishhead | http://www.digitimes.com/Backgrounders/ArtReview.asp?datePublish=2005/10/11&pages=PR&seq=207&Cat=1 <--- uNF! |
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| 21:25.23 | ogu | hi |
| 21:25.23 | Mariojsg | hola a todos |
| 21:25.46 | Mariojsg | spanish? |
| 21:25.48 | ogu | ive tried debootstrab, but i get following error: E: Couldn't download libgcrypt7 |
| 21:25.50 | joelio | hhi all, can I get grsec working on sarge? |
| 21:26.22 | jair_11 | Beik, you got it we are using konqueror :) |
| 21:26.24 | fishhead | :( |
| 21:26.49 | Beik | jair_11: well.... ok |
| 21:26.53 | jair_11 | abrotman, i do not need to install extra things if I do not need them, konqueror have an ftp feature. |
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| 21:27.03 | abrotman | jair_11: i never suggested you do |
| 21:27.13 | abrotman | jair_11: for that matter .. i'm not sure why you don't just use the command line ftp |
| 21:27.17 | ogu | do anyone know why i get the error: E: Couldn't download libgcrypt7 |
| 21:27.19 | abrotman | or ncftp |
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| 21:27.46 | Mortalman | Ungy, I'm trying to get the debian NET inst iso on my USB key. Only way I can think of doing this is with 'dd'. One problem. I don't have a floppy and I don't have any blank CDs so I can't get a linux prompt. So I'm trying to get something like tom's root/boot to boot from boot.ini. I havn't figured that out so I'm thinking NTFS support on DOS booted from boot.ini, then using loadlin. lmao. I told you it was crazy. |
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| 21:28.07 | jair_11 | abrotman, It is not for me is for an instructor of web page class |
| 21:28.12 | jair_11 | abrotman, he is not a linux user |
| 21:28.22 | abrotman | and you're helping him? |
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| 21:28.50 | stew | ogu: which release are you trying to install? there is no libgcrypt7 package in any current debian distro |
| 21:28.53 | Beik | jair_11: konqueror has support for a lot of protocols/formats... you can even read manpages with: man:<programname> |
| 21:28.53 | Ungy | Mortalman, seriously go borow a blank cd from someone ;-) |
| 21:28.57 | jair_11 | abrotman, this guy needs a gui one and the easier for me to teach him is konqueror which is already there with the kde enviromenet. |
| 21:29.12 | ogu | stew, i want to install sarge with debootstrab |
| 21:29.19 | ogu | ive tried different mirrors |
| 21:29.20 | jair_11 | Beik, I have a server that I am trying to test if is parsing php pages. |
| 21:29.22 | ogu | same error |
| 21:29.34 | abrotman | noone should ever use kde |
| 21:29.34 | Mortalman | Ungy: lol. Do you know of any other way to get the debian installer and net install on a USB key? |
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| 21:29.45 | jair_11 | Beik, I already install apache, php4, php4-mysql |
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| 21:30.14 | Beik | jair_11: ok. no problem... btw: why are you telling me this? |
| 21:30.35 | ogu | stew, debootstrap want to download libgcrypt7 |
| 21:30.39 | Ungy | Mortalman, sorry man never thought of trying that |
| 21:30.48 | jair_11 | Beik, because i want to get some feedback in how to test if the apache is parsing php? |
| 21:31.07 | stew | ogu: i don't know why it would. i can't find any pacakges remotely resembling that name. what version of debootstrap? have you checked the bts? |
| 21:31.18 | Mortalman | Ungy: I didn't realize how crazy this all sounded until I had to type it all out. lol Thanks man |
| 21:31.58 | jair_11 | Beik, http://pastebin.com/390536 |
| 21:32.13 | Ungy | Mortalman no problem I like crushing peoples dreams and stamping on enthusiasm its a great hobby of mine ;-) |
| 21:32.22 | Mortalman | hahaha |
| 21:32.54 | Beik | jair_11: sorry. i don't use php and have no such installation. only perl and ruby cgis. |
| 21:33.02 | ogu | stew, yes: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libgcrypt7&version=1.1.90-9 |
| 21:33.42 | Elly | hey guys, what is required to use USB keys? |
| 21:33.51 | stew | ogu: what arch are you on? |
| 21:34.01 | ogu | i386 |
| 21:34.10 | shingouz | !tell Elly about usb-storage |
| 21:34.29 | shingouz | Elly: i think that about covers it |
| 21:34.32 | ogu | hm i have to find a mirror, that has this package |
| 21:34.58 | Beik | jair_11: I suggest you install those packages and only ask if php doesn't work. ;) (see also #php) |
| 21:35.09 | jair_11 | I got it |
| 21:35.26 | ogu | jair, ? |
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| 21:35.30 | jair_11 | Beik, I got it work we were trying to open the page using the ftp on the konqueror that is why |
| 21:35.35 | ogu | ah k |
| 21:35.39 | Elly | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "usb-storage" |
| 21:35.40 | jair_11 | Beik, I have it running cool. |
| 21:35.45 | Elly | I'm on etch |
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| 21:36.03 | shingouz | Elly: modprobe them, they are modules... |
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| 21:36.10 | Beik | jair_11: Congratulation :) |
| 21:36.21 | drp | what are the names of the x11 dev. packages |
| 21:36.28 | stew | ogu: no up to date mirror should have that pacakge, it's not in debian |
| 21:36.41 | ogu | http://www.linuxia.de/packages/Dirk/stable/Detail/libgcrypt7?id=ApEwZ6Pe&mv_pc=200 |
| 21:36.45 | ogu | there is a download |
| 21:36.47 | jair_11 | Beik, thank you ;) |
| 21:36.51 | ogu | i try it |
| 21:37.16 | nkuttler | drp: apt-cache search x11 dev |
| 21:37.25 | stew | ogu: i would recommend that you don't install that |
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| 21:37.47 | stew | ogu: what version of debootstrap are you running? |
| 21:37.47 | ogu | stew, but debootstrab dont work without this package |
| 21:37.52 | ogu | mom |
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| 21:38.23 | datallah | I'm having a little bit of a dependency problem with gdk-imlib1 on amd64 sid. |
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| 21:38.43 | datallah | It appears that there is no libpng10-0 (only libpng12-0) |
| 21:38.43 | ogu | stew, how can i find it out, there is no option |
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| 21:39.28 | datallah | theoretically, isn't libpng12-0 compatible with libpng10-0 ? |
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| 21:40.39 | woodland | hi i am using gnome, how do i remove packages individually, if i want to remove one particular game using apt-get terminal asks me if i want to reomve gnome and gnome-games ? |
| 21:40.55 | stew | ogu: where did you get it? it should have come with a changelog that would have the version at the top |
| 21:41.10 | chealer | datallah, not really |
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| 21:41.25 | jshriver | Greetings again.. looking for advice. |
| 21:41.28 | ogu | the debootstrap i use, is from my ISP, it is in the rescue system for my root server |
| 21:41.28 | xcrash | anyone able to configure openssh-server with "dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server" in unstable |
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| 21:41.39 | stew | woodland: that is find, gnome and gnome-games are just meta packages the depend on other packages, removing them shouldn't affect anything |
| 21:41.52 | chealer | xcrash, anyone does everything |
| 21:41.53 | jshriver | I need to switch vhosting providers and looking for recommendations. This is for a company so it needs to be reliable. The one I'm using now is down every other day. |
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| 21:42.18 | xcrash | chealer, what ;) |
| 21:42.20 | datallah | chealer: hmm.. so at present is it impossible to install gdk-imlib1? |
| 21:42.24 | woodland | hey stew, if i remove gnome then that means whole GNOME is removed, right ? |
| 21:42.29 | stew | woodland: no |
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| 21:42.59 | jshriver | Anyone recommend a good vhosting provider? |
| 21:42.59 | stew | woodland: that means that the gnome meta-package is removed which is just a meta package |
| 21:43.14 | Quinn_Storm | hey, I"m wondering...I recently started using ion3 and have gotten to quite like it, but it doesn't seem to quite handle everything...like, I also like the features of *step but I have no clue how to integrate the two paradigms. Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:43.34 | chealer | datallah, only in unstable |
| 21:43.49 | stew | woodland: "dpkg -L gnome" will list the files in the gnome package, you'll find that there aren't many |
| 21:44.21 | datallah | chealer: ok. Is this something that I should report? |
| 21:44.24 | ogu | stew, so i have tried the version from stable |
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| 21:44.26 | ogu | same errror |
| 21:44.27 | woodland | stew, when i installed gnome using 'apt-get install gnome' it installed about 560 MB software, but if i do 'apt-get --purge remove gnome' it says only 16.4 KB will be freed |
| 21:44.34 | chealer | datallah, no, it's already reported |
| 21:44.45 | datallah | chealer: aha ok. thanks. |
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| 21:45.03 | chealer | datallah, if you have to ask whether you should report something in unstable, you should run another release instead |
| 21:45.04 | mtnman | woodland: it wont automatically remove dependencies. |
| 21:45.16 | nkuttler | woodland: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 21:45.16 | stew | woodland: right becuase gnome is a package which depends on tons of other packages, but itself doens't really do anything, so removing the gnome package doesn't remove all the things it brought in as dependencies (which were the useful bits) |
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| 21:45.30 | woodland | ok |
| 21:45.35 | Wibble- | hi - I want a CD of sid which I can use to give me a base install... I found the install guide, and the CD jidgo images provided by fsn://hu - BUT there are 18 jidgo files --> 18 CD's... how many do I need to install a base system which I can then upgrade over the 'net? |
| 21:45.54 | mtnman | woodland: you can look at the dependencies for the package, and remove them too. |
| 21:46.08 | shingouz | Wibble-: you do not want to install sid if you have to ask that question |
| 21:46.12 | mtnman | wibble: cd1 is all you need. |
| 21:46.29 | datallah | chealer: you may be right, I'm new to debian, so i'm experiencing a bit of a learning curve |
| 21:46.30 | woodland | stew, if want to remove everything that was installed witht the command 'apt-get install gnome' how do i do that |
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| 21:46.39 | mtnman | woodland: you can look at the dependencies for the package, and remove them too. |
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| 21:46.50 | stew | woodland: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 21:46.53 | Wibble- | mtnman: thanks - I thought so, but wasn't sure |
| 21:46.58 | woodland | ok |
| 21:47.02 | chealer | datallah, that will only be worst in unstable. I wonder why you chose an insane release |
| 21:47.03 | stew | ogu: what happens with the sarge version? |
| 21:47.04 | mtnman | wibble: have you read the install guide? |
| 21:47.19 | ogu | same error: Couldn't download libgcrypt7 |
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| 21:47.26 | shingouz | Wibble-: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 21:47.27 | Wibble- | mtnman: I have - but I have to say it was a while ago - when I last installed! |
| 21:47.33 | stew | ogu: with what version of debootstrap? |
| 21:47.41 | Wibble- | ta shingouz |
| 21:47.42 | stew | ogu: it really shouldnt be trying to download packages that don't exist |
| 21:47.47 | mtnman | wibble-: i suggest you read it again. |
| 21:47.50 | ogu | debootstrap_0.2.45-0.2 |
| 21:47.54 | Wibble- | I shall |
| 21:48.39 | mtnman | wibble-: thank you. asking questions which can be answered by reading the appropriate docs is not the best way to conduct onesself on this channel. |
| 21:49.16 | Wibble- | *nod* my appologies. |
| 21:49.22 | mtnman | no problem |
| 21:51.27 | Quinn_Storm | so any thoughts on my gue question? |
| 21:51.34 | woodland | if i use 'apt-get --purge remove gnome-games' it asking me if i want to remove gnome, gnome-desktop-environment and gnome-games. should i say yes ? |
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| 21:52.07 | stew | ogu: debbootstrap should come with a /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/sarge file, which contains the packages it will try to install, check that file, it should not contain libgcrypt7 (since that package doesn't exist) are you sure that this file came from the sarge version of deboootstrap? |
| 21:52.58 | ogu | yes i have the sarge version |
| 21:53.02 | jair_11 | Beik, I am sorry for bother you again |
| 21:53.03 | stew | Quinn_Storm: iirc there is a way to use dockapps in ion3 have you looked into that? can you be more specific about what you feel like you are missing? |
| 21:53.09 | ogu | http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/debootstrap |
| 21:53.23 | jair_11 | Beik, I am again in the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 21:53.53 | Quinn_Storm | stew: I haven't tried it yet, that actually might solve it. I'm not sure -what- I am missing, but once I tried ion3, I did feel I found a lot of what I was missing |
| 21:53.55 | jair_11 | Beik, I see the "default" info on the file and I want to make the windows the default OS to boot and the sarge the optional. |
| 21:53.56 | Quinn_Storm | I used kde up until then |
| 21:54.28 | datallah | chealer: I'm ok with a little bit of breakage. I figured since there was no "official" stable amd64 release, I'd just go for it. |
| 21:54.34 | Beik | jair_11: ok. paste your whole manu.lst somewhere, please. |
| 21:54.44 | Quinn_Storm | right now I'm installing the various gnustep apps |
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| 21:55.14 | xorion | someone else know a debian channel where speak spanish? |
| 21:55.16 | jair_11 | Beik, ok :( |
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| 21:55.37 | mtnman | debian-es |
| 21:55.39 | stew | ogu: yes, i downlaoded that package from the package page, extracted its contents, looked at the /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/sarge and it should be trying to get libgcrypt11 not libgcrypt7 if yours is trying to get libgcrypt7 then you aren't using the current version of debootstrap |
| 21:55.46 | xorion | thanks...! |
| 21:55.50 | mtnman | welcome |
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| 21:56.26 | Beik | jair_11: I need to see it, because some wrong lines can leave your system unbootable. |
| 21:56.27 | ogu | ok i will start from the beginning |
| 21:56.28 | chealer | datallah, you'd still better run etch |
| 21:56.29 | woodland | if i use 'apt-get --purge remove gnome-games' it asking me if i want to remove gnome, gnome-desktop-environment and gnome-games. should i say yes ? |
| 21:56.31 | ogu | and try it again |
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| 21:56.39 | jair_11 | Beik, ok |
| 21:56.43 | xorion | it does not exist... |
| 21:56.57 | Wibble- | woodland: do you want to remove those packages? |
| 21:56.57 | xorion | wait a minute |
| 21:57.20 | jair_11 | Beik, http://pastebin.com/390577 I did already disapear the second debian version commenting it out. |
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| 21:57.29 | woodland | wibble i only want to remove gnome-games |
| 21:57.41 | stew | woodland: since those are all virtual packages which provide nothing really on their own it doesn't really do anything by removing them so it doesn't really matter |
| 21:58.15 | EmleyMoor | woodland: You need to look at those on which it depends and remove those |
| 21:58.46 | ogu | strew, i cant use the deb, because the rescue system is a gentoo, so i downloaded the debootstrap_0.2.45-0.2.tar.gz |
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| 21:59.01 | baikonur | hi |
| 21:59.03 | woodland | emleymoor how do i check the depend packages |
| 21:59.19 | mtnman | woodland: apt-cache show foopkg |
| 21:59.30 | woodland | ok |
| 21:59.37 | ogu | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.2.45-0.2.tar.gz |
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| 21:59.37 | baikonur | how can I find out which process is responsible for "793/tcp open"? |
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| 21:59.45 | ogu | in which file i have to look ? |
| 21:59.46 | stew | ogu: .debs are just ar archives, download the deb and extract its contents |
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| 21:59.47 | jair_11 | Beik, I am reading the first paragraph where is explaining that the default will contain "0" but all the debian one have hd0,2 |
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| 22:00.07 | mtnman | baikonur: ps aux and grep? |
| 22:00.12 | ogu | the tar.gz need to be the same ?! |
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| 22:00.24 | stew | ogu: i dunno, hang on, i'll check |
| 22:00.43 | stew | ogu: yes the sarge script in there is the same, so the one from the .tar.gz would work as well |
| 22:00.53 | Beik | jair_11: just change line 12, the one with 'default 0', nothing else. |
| 22:01.04 | ogu | ok, but in the sarge script is nothing about libcry* |
| 22:01.23 | stew | ogu: it contains libgcrypt11 |
| 22:01.48 | ogu | ah yes youre riht |
| 22:01.50 | jair_11 | Beik, what I will do with it? |
| 22:01.51 | ogu | right |
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| 22:02.45 | Beik | jair_11: change 'default 0' to 'default 2'. try this config first. If this doesn't do it change it to 'default 3' |
| 22:02.45 | baikonur | mtnman: ps aux shows the port number of a process? |
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| 22:03.05 | mtnman | baikonur: i though 793 was pid |
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| 22:03.45 | jair_11 | Beik, ok I will check that |
| 22:03.57 | baikonur | mtnman: no 793/tcp is a port number |
| 22:04.10 | mtnman | baikonur: man ps. i would imagine there is a flag to display port numbers |
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| 22:04.32 | baikonur | how can I find out which process is responsible for opening a certain port? |
| 22:04.38 | stew | baikonur: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 22:04.39 | datallah | netstat -p |
| 22:04.40 | Wibble- | okay - I have another question regarding etch/sid that I haven't found the answer to in the faq/install guide... what is the approximate process for packages progressing to etch? i.e. how "old" is it likely to be? |
| 22:04.41 | geoffedo | hello |
| 22:04.44 | Beik | jair_11: just to get sure: your only problem is that without user interaction linux is started and you want that windows ist started in this case? when you select windows manualy it works already, right? |
| 22:05.14 | jair_11 | Beik, yes |
| 22:05.16 | jair_11 | correct |
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| 22:05.52 | jair_11 | Beik, that is exacly I am trying to do, everything now is working fine, just that if nobody touch the computer, it will boot in debian |
| 22:05.59 | geoffedo | there is someone can help me ? Because i have a problem with apt-get |
| 22:06.22 | Beik | ok. than change only the 'default' thingy, the way i have descripted already. |
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| 22:06.43 | baikonur | stew: thanks, but it does not help much because netstat -plunt shows "0.0.0.0:793" but there is no PID for it |
| 22:07.04 | Beik | s/than/then/ |
| 22:07.10 | stew | baikonur: try it as root |
| 22:07.10 | mtnman | maikonur: man netstat and look for a flag which shows pid |
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| 22:07.25 | Beik | geoffedo: hmm.. a problem, you say. |
| 22:07.36 | stew | mtnman: he has the flag for pid |
| 22:07.37 | geoffedo | my problem is than when i make an apt-get install (something) i have already error |
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| 22:07.47 | stew | geoffedo: what error? |
| 22:07.59 | Beik | geoffedo: 'apt-get install -f' (?) |
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| 22:08.24 | geoffedo | this is come when a try to install alternc since i have always this error |
| 22:08.31 | baikonur | stew: there we go, thanks |
| 22:08.35 | xhypno | What is the URL to the main marillat repo? |
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| 22:08.51 | stew | xhypno: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:08.52 | geoffedo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.04 | xhypno | Thanks Stew |
| 22:09.05 | baikonur | xhypno: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 22:09.09 | stew | geoffedo: apt-get install php4 |
| 22:09.33 | geoffedo | for exemple because i dont put the full log |
| 22:10.00 | geoffedo | for beging i have install a pc with debian sarge |
| 22:10.32 | mne | Hi ! debian sarge uses an old snmpd version which, unfortunately, has a bug and does not work for me. It there a way to install a package from the testing/unstable tree if one's using sarge stable |
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| 22:10.39 | geoffedo | Installed the first thing than i do is configure my apt |
| 22:10.46 | r3tex | how do i unrar something in debian |
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| 22:10.50 | r3tex | i can't apt-get unrar =( |
| 22:11.06 | mtnman | mne: yes. there is apt-get -b source foopkg. man apt-get for details. |
| 22:11.18 | Beik | geoffedo: 'export LANG=C' so you/we get englisch messages. |
| 22:11.20 | stew | r3tex: unrar is in non-free unrar-free is in main |
| 22:11.27 | r3tex | aha |
| 22:11.32 | geoffedo | when i make a apt-get install alternc error of to much depends coming |
| 22:11.38 | mne | r3tex, forget unrar, it doesn't work that well. rar (apt-get install rar) is far better and can be used for all those downloaded .rar files with password etc. |
| 22:11.41 | stew | mne: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:11.48 | mne | mtnman, thank you |
| 22:11.57 | geoffedo | since when i want to try to install another package i have already the same message |
| 22:12.00 | mtnman | mne: you're welcome |
| 22:12.03 | r3tex | mne: rar is also reffered but not found |
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| 22:12.11 | mne | stew, thx |
| 22:12.13 | geoffedo | you understand me ? |
| 22:12.16 | saik0 | are there any guides or books to setting up a debian server with Samba, Kerberos, OpenSSL, and Open LDAP to work (essentially) as a windows 2000 server would? |
| 22:12.33 | mne | r3tex, I guess rar is on marillat, just checking it |
| 22:12.36 | stew | mne: arent unrar and rar from the same source? |
| 22:12.46 | stew | r3tex: do you have non-free sources? |
| 22:12.46 | mne | stew, I think so |
| 22:13.00 | stew | mne: then why would rar be able to unrar things that unrar cannot? |
| 22:13.12 | r3tex | stew: i'm not sure |
| 22:13.12 | r3tex | =P |
| 22:13.20 | r3tex | stew: no i don't |
| 22:13.33 | stew | r3tex: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 22:13.37 | mne | stew, unrar is not the same than rar. unrar is not even able to handle passwords or newer rar archives |
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| 22:14.04 | stew | mne: unrar is able to handle passwords |
| 22:14.23 | stew | mne: unrar-free probably is the one you are thinking of |
| 22:14.33 | Guerin | mne: rar and unrar are the same, it's just that there's more than one implementation |
| 22:14.35 | mne | stew, might be that it is able to do so now, I didn't try to use it for a while, rar works just fine for me |
| 22:14.48 | mne | stew, I think so ;) |
| 22:15.11 | Guerin | mne: the one you probably want is the non-free version, which is also available as a statically-built binary on roshal's site |
| 22:15.47 | geoffedo | approximatly when i make apt-get install (package) the error is the same than when i make apt-get install alternc |
| 22:15.48 | stew | or people just need to shoot others who provide stuff in .rar format |
| 22:15.48 | mne | Guerin, i already have it, it's for stew ;) |
| 22:15.52 | geoffedo | you understand |
| 22:16.21 | dli | I can not mount my usb hard drive |
| 22:16.25 | Beik | geoffedo: what's the output of ' apt-get install -f' |
| 22:16.27 | stew | geoffedo: paste the entire output you are getting using http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:16.31 | Beik | geoffedo: ? |
| 22:16.44 | stew | geoffedo: and paste your sources.list while you are at it |
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| 22:16.48 | geoffedo | ok |
| 22:16.51 | geoffedo | thanks |
| 22:17.04 | mne | steigweis, marillat also has it: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/r/rar/ |
| 22:17.23 | steigweis | oh thanks! |
| 22:17.41 | mne | stew, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main |
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| 22:17.54 | mne | steigweis, sorry, wrong person. |
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| 22:18.16 | steigweis | but i like you :) |
| 22:18.39 | stew | mne: i don't use rar archives, ever, but thanks |
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| 22:19.11 | Beik | jair_11: does it work? |
| 22:19.17 | mne | stew, so then it was r3tex I guess ;) *confused* |
| 22:19.22 | mtnman | stew: unfortunately, i think archive.org does use .rar |
| 22:19.38 | stew | sucky |
| 22:19.42 | mtnman | yes |
| 22:19.49 | r3tex | mne ;P |
| 22:20.04 | [bono] | Question: what is the 'right' way of installing mod_jk for apache2 on debian? if its through compilation, how come the apache2 package doesnt come with apxs binaries? Anyone? |
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| 22:20.06 | geoffedo | beik>error of apt http://channels.debian.net/paste/895 |
| 22:20.49 | Cyis | [bono]: don't you want mod_jk2 for apache2? |
| 22:20.58 | [bono] | Cyis: no, mod_jk2 is deprecated |
| 22:21.09 | stew | geoffedo: paste your sources.list also. have you run apt-get update recently? |
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| 22:21.14 | Beik | please! before running apt set 'export LANG=C' so we get englisch meassages. |
| 22:21.19 | geoffedo | yes ;) |
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| 22:21.47 | stew | geoffedo: wait, what version of debian is this? |
| 22:22.12 | geoffedo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/896 for apt source.list |
| 22:22.12 | stew | geoffedo: and what is alternc? that is not a debian package. |
| 22:22.14 | baikonur | does exim have to have an port 25 open when configured for using a smarthost? |
| 22:22.33 | Guerin | baikonur: no |
| 22:22.37 | geoffedo | alternc is a program for magement webhosting ; |
| 22:22.41 | petemc | baikonur: not if you tell its clients to use another port |
| 22:22.44 | geoffedo | 3.1 |
| 22:22.48 | geoffedo | sarge |
| 22:22.48 | Beik | geoffedo: your sources.list looks ok. |
| 22:23.21 | geoffedo | do you have seen the command apt-get install alternc |
| 22:23.27 | geoffedo | ahd you see the error |
| 22:23.28 | stew | geoffedo: there is no alternc in sarge, nor is there php5 in sarge. you must have had some non debian sources in your sources.list at some point |
| 22:23.34 | geoffedo | but the problem is not there |
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| 22:24.07 | Cyis | nope... but php5 is in sid |
| 22:24.15 | stew | Cyis: that has nothing to do with anything |
| 22:24.56 | geoffedo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/897 |
| 22:25.00 | geoffedo | thats my error |
| 22:25.12 | geoffedo | when i make another apt-get install for another package |
| 22:25.17 | Cyis | stew: I beg to differ as you said he must have had "non debian sources" ... I would think sid would not be "non debian" :) |
| 22:25.19 | geoffedo | i have the same error |
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| 22:25.35 | geoffedo | you understand me ? |
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| 22:26.03 | stew | geoffedo: can you paste the output of apt-cache policy alternc |
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| 22:26.29 | compguy1011 | loaded nvidia drivers and all was fine, then rebooted machine and startx returns... Fatal server error: |
| 22:26.29 | compguy1011 | failed to initialize core devices |
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| 22:27.02 | Cyis | compguy1011: did you make sure the nvidia driver was re-loaded on reboot? |
| 22:27.09 | stew | Cyis: but apt is trying to pull in php5 becuase if alternc which is not in sid |
| 22:27.09 | Beik | geoffedo: I only can help you when set 'export LANG=C' before running apt. And btw please include my nick when you're talking to me. |
| 22:27.15 | compguy1011 | it rebooted fine i mean |
| 22:27.21 | compguy1011 | then later on i rebooted again |
| 22:27.24 | compguy1011 | then it did it |
| 22:27.33 | geoffedo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/898 |
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| 22:27.42 | compguy1011 | it flashs the nvidia page, then gives me the error |
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| 22:28.14 | omry | what can you do if the local keyboard is not responding, but you have remote ssh access? |
| 22:28.25 | compguy1011 | use ssh |
| 22:28.31 | Cyis | compguy1011: did you also install the libraries needed? |
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| 22:28.48 | compguy1011 | i followed all the directions |
| 22:28.51 | stew | geoffedo: so you used to have this debian.alternc.org in your sources.list but you removed it and haven't yet run apt-get update? |
| 22:28.51 | shingouz | omry: check for a dead keyboard? |
| 22:29.00 | Cyis | compguy1011: sarge, etch or sid? |
| 22:29.04 | compguy1011 | sarge |
| 22:29.11 | omry | shingouz, its not dead, it happened after a problem with the x server. |
| 22:29.14 | geoffedo | Beik: Ok i do now |
| 22:29.19 | Beik | omry: login via ssh and maybe reboot when it's save to do so. |
| 22:29.21 | geoffedo | Beik: Sorry |
| 22:29.21 | Cyis | compguy1011: should work fine... I use it both here at work and at home |
| 22:29.29 | compguy1011 | i know |
| 22:29.32 | Beik | geoffedo: ok. no problem. |
| 22:29.35 | shingouz | reboot? wtf is that? |
| 22:29.35 | compguy1011 | want the whole output? |
| 22:29.42 | omry | Beik, reboot will probably solve it, I am looking for a way without a reboot. |
| 22:29.48 | shingouz | omry: kill the x server perhaps? |
| 22:29.53 | Cyis | compguy1011: paste the X log |
| 22:29.54 | geoffedo | beik:http://channels.debian.net/paste/899 |
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| 22:30.01 | compguy1011 | omry, you would be done by now if u rebooted |
| 22:30.02 | geoffedo | beik: http://channels.debian.net/paste/899 |
| 22:30.03 | compguy1011 | k |
| 22:30.15 | Beik | omry: is your keyboard connected to your computer? ;) |
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| 22:30.21 | omry | compguy1011, its not my machine. I am not even sure it will boot back. |
| 22:30.30 | stew | geoffedo: have you run apt-get update? |
| 22:30.35 | geoffedo | yes |
| 22:30.39 | geoffedo | sure |
| 22:30.44 | shingouz | compguy1011: reboot? why the hell reboot? reboots happen when the ups dies (after 45 minutes) |
| 22:30.54 | compguy1011 | lol |
| 22:31.00 | geoffedo | i have the same error too when i make a apt-get upgrade |
| 22:31.01 | compguy1011 | to fix his local keyboard |
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| 22:31.03 | Cyis | omry: in that case remember that Linux != Windows... doesn't always come back up on reboot if there's a problem while it's still running :) |
| 22:31.08 | Beik | geoffedo: please post the output of 'apt-get install -d' |
| 22:31.19 | Beik | geoffedo: s/-d/-f/ |
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| 22:31.23 | omry | Cyis, exactly why I am not rebooting yet :) |
| 22:31.30 | shingouz | compguy1011: i do not reboot my car either when it needs new plugs.... |
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| 22:32.08 | geoffedo | Beik: http://channels.debian.net/paste/900 |
| 22:32.10 | Cyis | omry: had it happen to me twice... first time I lost my KDC and was unable to log in... second time I lost LVM :) |
| 22:32.15 | geoffedo | same problem |
| 22:32.17 | sander | gcc: Depends: cpp (>= 4:3.3.5-3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 22:32.20 | shingouz | !tell geoffedo about nicktab |
| 22:32.26 | sander | when I try to install gcc |
| 22:32.35 | sander | running debian sarge |
| 22:32.38 | compguy1011 | that makes no since |
| 22:32.41 | abrotman | shinu: what you mean? |
| 22:32.42 | compguy1011 | sence |
| 22:32.46 | abrotman | sense |
| 22:32.55 | sander | anyone know what could be wrong? |
| 22:32.58 | shingouz | abrotman: i mean you need caffeine :p |
| 22:33.06 | shingouz | and speaking of which.. brb |
| 22:33.13 | abrotman | shingouz: no caffiene after 5pm :) |
| 22:33.17 | Beik | geoffedo: sorry. i meant -f. please post the output of 'apt-get install -f' :) |
| 22:33.24 | shinu | abrotman: sorry? |
| 22:33.36 | baikonur | Guerin: how do I disable it without running through the whole dialog of dpkg-reconfigure exim? (exim with port 25 open) |
| 22:33.39 | sander | Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. |
| 22:33.41 | stew | geoffedo: you have alternc installed. that package depends on sasl-bin but there is no sasl-bin in sarge. you need to talk to alternc about this or remove the alternc package |
| 22:33.42 | geoffedo | Beik : Don't worry ;) |
| 22:33.49 | stew | geoffedo: we cannot help you with non-debian packages |
| 22:33.57 | sander | seems like its a bug there.. or something? |
| 22:34.10 | abrotman | shinu: mistab |
| 22:34.18 | shinu | abrotman: thought so :P |
| 22:34.21 | geoffedo | Beik : i try it and i become for answord ;) |
| 22:34.57 | shingouz | abrotman: really? how can you survive? |
| 22:35.18 | abrotman | shingouz: uhm ... i drink water? |
| 22:35.22 | shingouz | shinu: he is trying to bait me :p |
| 22:35.40 | abrotman | shingouz: i've been doing it for so long .. if i have soda late now .. it keeps me awake |
| 22:35.41 | stew | sander: what does apt-cache policy cpp say for Installed: and Candidate:? |
| 22:35.42 | Guerin | baikonur: edit the files in /etc/exim4/ |
| 22:35.44 | shinu | shingouz: :) |
| 22:35.44 | shingouz | abrotman: so do i. with some serious addition of tea |
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| 22:36.12 | abrotman | shingouz: but i odn't drink soda much anymore |
| 22:36.14 | geoffedo | Beik : http://channels.debian.net/paste/902 |
| 22:36.35 | jarjar26 | how can i remove package who don't want to deinstall with apt-get remove ? |
| 22:36.36 | shingouz | abrotman: wow. not even Jolt? that is scary, you know |
| 22:36.39 | geoffedo | Beik : i dont delete |
| 22:36.46 | Guerin | jarjar26: why won't it remove/ |
| 22:37.00 | Cyis | compguy1011: if you run 'aptitude search nvidia |grep ^i' how many packages do you get back? |
| 22:37.08 | jarjar26 | Guerin, the want shutdown server, but is not running |
| 22:37.29 | shingouz | jarjar26: start the server? |
| 22:37.39 | stew | geoffedo: there is no sasl-bin in sarge, the non-debian alternc package you have installed is broken |
| 22:37.43 | Guerin | jarjar26: so make it run. |
| 22:37.44 | abrotman | shingouz: i used to drink a 12pack a day :) |
| 22:38.00 | jarjar26 | shingouz, Guerin : server is bogus (xend) and theu dont want start |
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| 22:38.06 | shingouz | abrotman: that sounds healthy then. you should be immune to caffeine though |
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| 22:38.20 | Guerin | jarjar26: what release of debian? |
| 22:38.20 | geoffedo | Stew: I try with dpkg |
| 22:38.21 | abrotman | shingouz: i think it's the sugar .. not the caffiene |
| 22:38.28 | jarjar26 | Guerin, Sid |
| 22:38.29 | omry | the nvidia-glx package works? it says something about nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174 |
| 22:38.33 | stew | geoffedo: try what with dpkg? |
| 22:38.35 | happyb | i have Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" in my xorg.conf, but still no scroll on my mouse |
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| 22:38.39 | happyb | thoughts? |
| 22:38.39 | Guerin | jarjar26: fis the prerm yourself |
| 22:38.42 | omry | I need a special kernel to install it? |
| 22:38.45 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:38.52 | shingouz | abrotman: caffeine and sugar, the two things that keep me running |
| 22:39.05 | jarjar26 | Guerin, what ? |
| 22:39.05 | abrotman | shingouz: wife2.0 ? |
| 22:39.06 | Guerin | !tell omry about nvidia one liner |
| 22:39.07 | Cyis | omry: you have to build the nvidia kernel module first... then when it's installed you can install nvidia-glx as the nvidia-kernel-* dependency will be met |
| 22:39.14 | cheal | omry: no. it's a virtual package |
| 22:39.27 | cheal | hum not sure |
| 22:39.37 | Guerin | jarjar26: you're running sid. You're capable of fixing a broken prerm script, obviously. |
| 22:39.38 | geoffedo | stew : when i make dpkg i seen alternc in the list |
| 22:39.50 | shingouz | abrotman: that is another thing of course but as it happens to be, we have minors on the channel |
| 22:40.05 | stew | geoffedo: yes, i know. that is not a debian pacakge. we cannot help you with it, talk to the maintainer of that package, not us |
| 22:40.09 | abrotman | shingouz: dan2 isn't here :) |
| 22:40.25 | cheal | omry: anyway it's not a real package, another package has to provide it |
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| 22:40.38 | omry | Guerin, sounds much harder than using the nvidia installer. |
| 22:40.44 | Guerin | omry: no way. |
| 22:40.46 | shingouz | abrotman: i think there should be others. 750+ people on the channel, theres bound to be a few minors here |
| 22:40.52 | stew | geoffedo: you installed it from debian.alternc.org, talk to them about their broken packages |
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| 22:41.02 | xhypno | Is there a python2.4-gnome2-extras package for any debian release? |
| 22:41.03 | abrotman | shingouz: perhaps |
| 22:41.03 | Guerin | omry: copy and paste, and it doesn't break horribly when you change something. |
| 22:41.04 | geoffedo | Stew : that's a deb package http://www.alternc.org/download.php.fr |
| 22:41.12 | cheal | omry: that's because you got the one-liner |
| 22:41.17 | cheal | !tell omry about nvidia-howto |
| 22:41.18 | sander | stew, Installed: (none) Candidate: 4:3.3.5-3 |
| 22:41.22 | stew | geoffedo: its not a debian package |
| 22:41.33 | stew | sander: and what happens if you apt-get install cpp? |
| 22:42.06 | geoffedo | Why it's a .deb package NO ? or you talk of sasl ? |
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| 22:42.31 | shingouz | abrotman: this package very much seems like it is unremovable but as the system works at 110% efficiency, why bother ;) |
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| 22:43.18 | abrotman | cekam_tramvaj: fucking stop |
| 22:43.19 | cekam_tramvaj | -145 : o |
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| 22:43.23 | abrotman | !ops cekam_tramvaj is a tard |
| 22:43.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: cekam_tramvaj is a tard |
| 22:43.25 | cekam_tramvaj | -142 : r |
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| 22:43.29 | cekam_tramvaj | -140 : t |
| 22:43.29 | omry | Guerin, well, things did start to go wrong all the sudden when nvidia driver was installed. |
| 22:43.33 | cekam_tramvaj | -139 : u |
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| 22:43.49 | cekam_tramvaj | -133 : { |
| 22:43.51 | cekam_tramvaj | -132 : | |
| 22:43.53 | cekam_tramvaj | -131 : } |
| 22:43.53 | stew | geoffedo: its a .deb package but not from debian. its closed source so we can't fix it, what do you expect us to do? talk to the authors of the software |
| 22:43.55 | cekam_tramvaj | -130 : ~ |
| 22:43.57 | cekam_tramvaj | -129 : |
| 22:43.58 | Beik | geoffedo: are you using an upgraded woody installation? |
| 22:43.59 | cekam_tramvaj | -128 : |
| 22:44.03 | cekam_tramvaj | -127 : |
| 22:44.03 | Gnea | !ops cekam_tramvaj is spamming hardcore |
| 22:44.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: cekam_tramvaj is spamming hardcore |
| 22:44.05 | xhypno | abortman: have you seen a package for python2.4-gnome2-extras ? |
| 22:44.05 | cekam_tramvaj | -126 : |
| 22:44.07 | cekam_tramvaj | -125 : |
| 22:44.09 | cekam_tramvaj | -124 : |
| 22:44.13 | cekam_tramvaj | -123 : |
| 22:44.15 | abrotman | Gnea: like they care |
| 22:44.17 | cekam_tramvaj | -122 : |
| 22:44.17 | stew | Beik: their sarge package is broken, it refers to packages no in sarge |
| 22:44.19 | cekam_tramvaj | -121 : |
| 22:44.20 | Beik | !tell cekam_tramvaj about paste |
| 22:44.21 | cekam_tramvaj | -120 : |
| 22:44.23 | cekam_tramvaj | -119 : |
| 22:44.25 | cekam_tramvaj | -118 : |
| 22:44.26 | RvGaTe | please ban him ! |
| 22:44.27 | cekam_tramvaj | -117 : |
| 22:44.28 | Cyis | nothing like /ignore all :) |
| 22:44.29 | cekam_tramvaj | -116 : |
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| 22:44.30 | Gnea | !troll cekam_tramvaj |
| 22:44.33 | cekam_tramvaj | -115 : |
| 22:44.35 | cekam_tramvaj | -114 : |
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| 22:44.38 | cheal | lilo: cekam_tramvaj |
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| 22:44.43 | cekam_tramvaj | -111 : |
| 22:44.47 | cekam_tramvaj | -110 : |
| 22:44.48 | abrotman | that won't work either |
| 22:44.48 | xhypno | Id10T not a troll |
| 22:44.49 | cekam_tramvaj | -109 : |
| 22:44.51 | cekam_tramvaj | -108 : |
| 22:44.53 | cekam_tramvaj | -107 : |
| 22:44.55 | cekam_tramvaj | -106 : |
| 22:44.56 | streuner | !ops cekam_tramvaj: please ban this troll |
| 22:44.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: cekam_tramvaj: please ban this troll |
| 22:44.57 | cekam_tramvaj | -105 : |
| 22:44.59 | cekam_tramvaj | -104 : |
| 22:44.59 | Gnea | xhypno: same thing. |
| 22:45.03 | cekam_tramvaj | -103 : |
| 22:45.05 | cekam_tramvaj | -102 : |
| 22:45.06 | xhypno | Gnea: lol |
| 22:45.07 | omry | Guerin, btw: copy paste didn't work. nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-386 had problems again. |
| 22:45.07 | cekam_tramvaj | -101 : |
| 22:45.09 | cekam_tramvaj | 100 : |
| 22:45.13 | cekam_tramvaj | -99 : |
| 22:45.17 | cekam_tramvaj | -98 : |
| 22:45.18 | abrotman | look .. he broke it ... |
| 22:45.19 | cekam_tramvaj | -97 : |
| 22:45.21 | cekam_tramvaj | -96 : |
| 22:45.25 | cekam_tramvaj | -95 : ¡ |
| 22:45.26 | Guerin | omry: what problems? |
| 22:45.26 | abrotman | idiot can't even count backwards correctly |
| 22:45.26 | cheal | debhelper: you on drugs? |
| 22:45.26 | Beik | !ops ban cekam_tramvaj |
| 22:45.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ban cekam_tramvaj |
| 22:45.27 | cekam_tramvaj | -94 : ¢ |
| 22:45.29 | cekam_tramvaj | -93 : £ |
| 22:45.30 | Gnea | !ops wow, you guys just got owned by cekam_tramvaj |
| 22:45.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: wow, you guys just got owned by cekam_tramvaj |
| 22:45.33 | cekam_tramvaj | -92 : ¤ |
| 22:45.35 | cekam_tramvaj | -91 : ¥ |
| 22:45.37 | cekam_tramvaj | -90 : ¦ |
| 22:45.39 | cekam_tramvaj | -89 : § |
| 22:45.43 | cekam_tramvaj | -88 : ¨ |
| 22:45.45 | Cyis | omry: one thing is make sure that your kernel and the nvidia module are compiled with the same version of GCC |
| 22:45.45 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 22:45.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@195.252.90.11] by dondelelcaro |
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| 22:45.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:45.49 | geoffedo | Beik stew : The problem is resolved |
| 22:45.51 | RvGaTe | what the hell is he doing anyways |
| 22:45.54 | xhypno | it is a stupid script going through the asci set |
| 22:45.55 | shingouz | thanks don |
| 22:45.58 | Gnea | that got some attention :) |
| 22:46.02 | Gnea | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 22:46.03 | abrotman | RvGaTe: going backwards through the ASCII table |
| 22:46.04 | abrotman | i think |
| 22:46.04 | Beik | geoffedo: great |
| 22:46.09 | abrotman | i wasn't really paying attention |
| 22:46.15 | RvGaTe | abrotman: what's point of doing that |
| 22:46.16 | omry | Guerin, dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-2-386: |
| 22:46.16 | xhypno | abortman: have you seen a package for python2.4-gnome2-extras ? |
| 22:46.16 | omry | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.16 | omry | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.27 | abrotman | RvGaTe: he's stupid ? |
| 22:46.30 | Cyis | omry: sounds like you need to install it then |
| 22:46.32 | geoffedo | Beik stew : i make a dpkg --purge sasl-bin and alternc and now apt work fine ;) thw a lot for your help |
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| 22:46.36 | RvGaTe | abrotman: that explains allot |
| 22:46.45 | abrotman | xhypno: not in sid or etch ? |
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| 22:46.50 | Guerin | omry: do you have non-free and contrib? |
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| 22:47.14 | xhypno | abortman, no, I am running sid, and there is now install candi. |
| 22:47.26 | xhypno | I am trying to find an outside pkg |
| 22:47.27 | abrotman | xhypno: you mean something mentions it ? but it doesn't exist ? |
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| 22:47.38 | xhypno | Yup |
| 22:47.40 | omry | Guerin, was missing contrib. |
| 22:47.46 | omry | retrying... |
| 22:47.46 | abrotman | xhypno: might be in incoming |
| 22:47.50 | Guerin | omry: as per the one-liner factoid. |
| 22:47.51 | xhypno | but it use to exist in etch |
| 22:48.02 | xhypno | now it is gone, that is what is weird |
| 22:48.02 | abrotman | oh . relaly |
| 22:48.10 | Guerin | !sdn |
| 22:48.10 | dpkg | [sdn] go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem. |
| 22:48.23 | omry | Guerin, my bad. |
| 22:48.29 | abrotman | !info python-gnome2-extras etch |
| 22:48.31 | Beik | geoffedo: i wonder how sasl-bin found it's way onto your harddisk, 'cause it isn't in sarge ;) |
| 22:48.34 | dpkg | python-gnome2-extras: (Python bindings for the GNOME desktop environment), section python, is optional. Version: 2.10.0-4 (etch), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 22:48.35 | abrotman | xhypno: ^^ |
| 22:48.36 | goog | DAMN I love the feeling of blasting music out of the speakers with a newly configured soundcard I've been working on for 3 days! And I did it MYSELF! Stupid alsaconf kept on fucking up, not being able to load the drivers after detecting it. |
| 22:48.47 | stew | Beik: it was in sarge when sarge was testing |
| 22:49.02 | shingouz | !beer goog |
| 22:49.03 | xhypno | Lets see if it is still in the snapshots |
| 22:49.06 | stew | sdn only goes back to feb 2005 i thought |
| 22:49.11 | goog | :D |
| 22:49.13 | abrotman | xhypno: i just showed you what it was |
| 22:49.18 | EmleyMoor | IPA! |
| 22:49.19 | Guerin | stew: lies |
| 22:49.39 | stew | Guerin: oh you are right, only to march 2005 |
| 22:49.42 | Guerin | stew: some pre-woody is there |
| 22:49.59 | omry | Guerin, the oneliner is for xfree. I got xorg. |
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| 22:50.13 | Guerin | omry: use a bit of initiative |
| 22:50.21 | geoffedo | Beik : Because i find that package on the forum but for woody ;) |
| 22:50.23 | yoel | How can i know if my system is IA32 or IA64? |
| 22:50.25 | omry | Guerin, of course. |
| 22:50.28 | compguy1011 | question: running vnc4server, log into debian sarge machine threw realvnc and i get a gray screen with a terminal and thats it |
| 22:50.35 | EmleyMoor | yoel: What processor is it>? |
| 22:50.36 | Guerin | yoel: if you don't know, it's 32 |
| 22:50.44 | Gnea | omry: it's all the same thing, just change a few letters here and there |
| 22:50.53 | cheal | heh, $ grep cekam_tramvaj 2005-10-11.183742.txt|wc -l |
| 22:50.53 | cheal | 85 |
| 22:50.58 | geoffedo | On the website of alternC they say than i try with this package ;) |
| 22:50.59 | Beik | geoffedo: ok. i see :) |
| 22:51.22 | yoel | Guerin: hmm.. but i know my cpu support 64 bit... any comannd to chekc it out? |
| 22:51.32 | Guerin | yoel: then why are you asking? |
| 22:51.35 | omry | reconfiguration of xorg ask me about the video card. I don't see nvidia-glx anyware, just nv. |
| 22:51.44 | Guerin | omry: nvidia |
| 22:51.52 | cheal | omry: is nvidia-glx installed? |
| 22:51.54 | sander | stew, cpp: Depends: cpp-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 22:52.11 | Gnea | omry: right, you need to install the nvidia driver, just config it for nv, install the nvidia driver, then go back and reconfigure it |
| 22:52.21 | omry | Guerin, no nvidia either. just nv |
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| 22:52.31 | Cyis | omry: the 'nv' driver is not the 'nvidia' driver... it's the open-source driver that doesn't have all the functionality of the nvidia one |
| 22:52.40 | secureboot | anyone have a good explanation of the differences between tty and console in /etc/inittab? |
| 22:52.54 | yoel | can someone explain the diffrence between IA32 and IA64? |
| 22:52.55 | Gnea | !tell omry about nvidia |
| 22:52.58 | Cyis | omry: if you don't see it listed then everything is not installed properly yet |
| 22:53.04 | Gnea | yae32bit and 64bit |
| 22:53.12 | xhypno | man, now I am going nuts. the package isn't in snapshots either. I think I am loosing it |
| 22:53.24 | liable | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/09/msg00898.html |
| 22:53.51 | cheal | !tell yoel about ia32 |
| 22:53.54 | cheal | !tell yoel about ia64 |
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| 22:54.01 | xhypno | Thanks |
| 22:54.06 | shingouz | np |
| 22:54.09 | stew | sander: have you run apt-get update? paste you sources.list into flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:54.16 | EdLin | yoel: IA64, unlike AMD64, is not based on the x86/Pentium series. It's called an Itanium, and you'd know if you were running it. |
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| 22:54.20 | liable | the guy is unbelievable.. |
| 22:54.47 | abrotman | secureboot: what do yo mean .. afaik .. a console takes a tty |
| 22:54.47 | yoel | Ha!! thanks you all ! :) |
| 22:54.53 | abrotman | xhypno: i told you! |
| 22:55.02 | goog | compguy1011: that doesn't seem to be a question... |
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| 22:55.23 | goog | compguy1011: and btw, it's spelled "through" |
| 22:55.25 | compguy1011 | n/m i got it |
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| 22:55.28 | xhypno | abrotman, yeah you did |
| 22:55.34 | JaMaLz | hello every one |
| 22:55.44 | xhypno | Time to compile from source and then compile gtkwifi |
| 22:55.53 | sander | stew, i've run update.. yes |
| 22:56.03 | JaMaLz | well i have sarge and my source.list was testing/main, i changed it to stable/main, whats the differance |
| 22:56.08 | goog | compguy1011: "threw" is the past tense of "throw", meaning you tossed realvnc at something... |
| 22:56.10 | goog | :) |
| 22:56.15 | abrotman | secureboot: you got it from the man pagE? .. are you trying to set up a serial console ? |
| 22:56.58 | abrotman | secureboot: are you in the Pond building ? |
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| 22:57.25 | JaMaLz | well i have sarge and my source.list was testing/main, i changed it to stable/main, whats the differance |
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| 22:57.40 | abrotman | sarge is not testing |
| 22:57.45 | EdLin | !tell JaMaLz -about repeat |
| 22:57.58 | JaMaLz | abrotman: i have the old testing its 7 months old |
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| 22:58.05 | omry | Guerin, the modprob nvidia in the oneliner fails. |
| 22:58.09 | EdLin | JaMaLz: you probably got an old install disk from when Sarge was testing. |
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| 22:58.31 | JaMaLz | EdLin: thats right and i modified the sources.list to stable, is that btter ? |
| 22:58.55 | EdLin | JaMaLz: that depends upon if you fetched anything when sources.list was "testing" |
| 22:58.56 | W3b3r | hello pps |
| 22:59.04 | grendal_prime | thiis is certainly frustrating |
| 22:59.06 | liable | haha, this should be made a quote.. "Everybody who has apt-listchanges installed, for a start. |
| 22:59.09 | liable | And if they don't, too bad for them. |
| 22:59.13 | liable | straight from a DD |
| 22:59.25 | JaMaLz | EdLin: i changed it to stable/main and i did apt-get update. and its working good, |
| 22:59.29 | Seb | helix: how did this kick to the DAM go ? ;) |
| 22:59.30 | abrotman | grendal_prime: square peg .. round hole |
| 22:59.31 | grendal_prime | anyone using libpam-pgsql ? libpam-mysql ? |
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| 22:59.36 | Seb | helix: sorry wrong person |
| 22:59.41 | abrotman | heheh |
| 22:59.44 | EdLin | JaMaLz: that's not what I asked |
| 22:59.50 | helix | who was the right person? |
| 23:00.00 | Seb | does it really matter ? :> |
| 23:00.01 | abrotman | i don't think i kicked anyone today :) |
| 23:00.03 | helix | yes |
| 23:00.07 | grendal_prime | actually round peg...no hole in sight |
| 23:00.12 | Seb | HE on #debian-mentors ;) |
| 23:00.14 | JaMaLz | EdLin: if i updated apt-get doesn't make it up2date |
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| 23:00.25 | goog | How can I make alsamixer save its settings so I don't have to set the volume all the time? It's on a laptop, so it gets rebooted several times a day when I move it. |
| 23:00.26 | helix | why are you kicking stuff at the DAM? |
| 23:00.49 | EmleyMoor | If you start each day by eating a live frog, you can guarantee that nothing worse will happen all day (!) |
| 23:01.12 | secureboot | abrotman: really, i'm just trying to understand in general what console and tty mean in the context of the /etc/inittab |
| 23:01.14 | EmleyMoor | goog: Um... not sure but I have managed it - hold on |
| 23:01.16 | EdLin | JaMaLz: part of the installation process is updating the system. If you ran that while testing then downgraded you might experience problems. If you modified it before you installed anything via the internet you'll not experience problems. |
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| 23:01.18 | Seb | helix: i didn't say kicking stuff at him. More like kicking him. |
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| 23:01.37 | helix | why are you kicking the DAM? |
| 23:01.37 | abrotman | secureboot: not in the Pond building eh? :) |
| 23:01.45 | secureboot | abrotman: no, i don't even know what that is. |
| 23:01.52 | abrotman | secureboot: you're at PSU no? |
| 23:02.05 | JaMaLz | EdLin: than i'm safe cause every thing working proparly untill now cause i did apt-get upgrade and its going good. |
| 23:02.29 | abrotman | secureboot: the only tty i see in the man page is when it defines a VC |
| 23:02.38 | Seb | helix: now, see, this is where it doesn't matter to you anymore :) |
| 23:02.41 | EdLin | JaMaLz: then why are you asking questions? |
| 23:02.49 | helix | yeah it does, I have quicker access |
| 23:02.57 | abrotman | quicker access to kicking ? |
| 23:03.06 | JaMaLz | EdLin: cause yesterday abrotman told me sarge is no longer testing and its stable |
| 23:03.12 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 23:03.13 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 23:03.21 | EdLin | JaMaLz: abrotman is correct. |
| 23:03.22 | EmleyMoor | goog: Is there a file /etc/init.d/alsa on your system? |
| 23:03.26 | Seb | helix: heheh |
| 23:03.31 | abrotman | EdLin: don't tell anyone else! |
| 23:03.38 | Seb | helix: that's fine, my case is supposed to be processed tomorrow now |
| 23:03.43 | goog | EmleyMoor: yes |
| 23:03.44 | EdLin | abrotman: heh |
| 23:03.48 | abrotman | Seb: you're in NM queue? |
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| 23:04.07 | Seb | helix: i got put on hold for a key problem, fixed it, and hadn't heard from him since then |
| 23:04.10 | Seb | abrotman: yeah |
| 23:04.10 | JaMaLz | EdLin: and i installed sarge and modified the source.list from testing to stable. |
| 23:04.18 | abrotman | secureboot: i'm trying to find out where you see 'console' vs 'tty' |
| 23:04.24 | JaMaLz | is this a good step ? |
| 23:04.32 | woodland | hi i am using xchat here, if i type xchat in terminal i get some error |
| 23:04.53 | abrotman | and the error is ? |
| 23:04.53 | EdLin | JaMaLz: you still haven't answered my question, until then I'll stop wasting my time and yours. |
| 23:05.00 | Beik | woodland: /j #xchat |
| 23:05.01 | EmleyMoor | goog: Add, if absent, the line: alsactl_store_on_shutdown="always autosave" |
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| 23:05.36 | EmleyMoor | Not sure it will help though |
| 23:05.39 | JaMaLz | EdLin: the apt-get update did fetch |
| 23:05.40 | EmleyMoor | Still looking |
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| 23:05.48 | Seb | abrotman: you a DD ? |
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| 23:06.03 | abrotman | Seb: they won't let me in! |
| 23:06.10 | Seb | abrotman: how come ? :) |
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| 23:06.24 | EdLin | JaMaLz: that's not what I asked. For the last time, did you install any packages via the net before you modified /etc/apt/sources.list to point at Sarge? Yes or no will suffice. |
| 23:06.27 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... not sure |
| 23:06.28 | mfrisch | abrotman ;-) |
| 23:06.28 | goog | EmleyMoor: it's there already |
| 23:06.31 | abrotman | Seb: i'm joking .. the apparent amount of work .. is rediculous |
| 23:06.38 | secureboot | abrotman: well, when setting up xen, for instance, you replace the tty1 with console in /etc/inittab SOMETIMES |
| 23:06.48 | secureboot | abrotman: i need to understand what the differnece before i can figure out why |
| 23:06.51 | abrotman | Seb: i've thought about donating packages and such .. but i've been told that would be bad etc |
| 23:06.55 | Seb | abrotman: the amount of work *you*'d have to do for the application you mean ? |
| 23:07.03 | JaMaLz | EdLin: no i didn't |
| 23:07.03 | EmleyMoor | Not sure how I achieved it but I did - so it's certainly possible |
| 23:07.08 | secureboot | abrotman: i have this vague idea that a tty is a terminal, in some sense, but nothing more than that |
| 23:07.15 | abrotman | secureboot: all i can guess is .. in that context they mean a serial console vs a Virtual Console |
| 23:07.17 | EdLin | JaMaLz: then you're probably OK. |
| 23:07.24 | abrotman | secureboot: #xen might know more |
| 23:07.24 | EmleyMoor | Ah, goog, I have setmixer installed |
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| 23:07.43 | Seb | abrotman: or the amount of work you'd have to do after you're a DD ? |
| 23:07.48 | abrotman | Seb: no .. like .. i wouldn't mind doing man pages .. but why be a DD for that .. or hav ea few packages .. but why? .. it's too much bullshit |
| 23:07.56 | JaMaLz | EdLin: :D |
| 23:07.56 | Seb | k, gotcha |
| 23:07.56 | secureboot | abrotman: yeah, maybe - but i also wanted to understand ona deeper level what exactly the ttys are |
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| 23:08.04 | abrotman | Seb: i'm not so egotistical that i feel the need to really do it(at this point) |
| 23:08.10 | JaMaLz | EdLin: thanks |
| 23:08.14 | goog | EmleyMoor: I found something I can use. amixer... the command "amixer sset Master 90%" will set it to a reasonable level. I'll just toss that in along with my startup scripts |
| 23:08.15 | Seb | abrotman: heh |
| 23:08.20 | abrotman | secureboot: you mean the definitnio of a TTY ? |
| 23:08.26 | abrotman | !tty |
| 23:08.27 | dpkg | it has been said that tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 23:08.51 | ch | I'd like to change my splach screen when starting gnome but I can't manage. I'm stuck. Any idea what to do? |
| 23:09.15 | abrotman | gdm? |
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| 23:09.24 | stew | s/generically/specifically/ imo |
| 23:09.36 | compguy1011 | what port has to be open for me to connect to vnc server? |
| 23:09.40 | compguy1011 | vnc4server to be exact |
| 23:09.57 | Seb | compguy1011: netstat -pant would tell you |
| 23:10.05 | Seb | compguy1011: most likely 5900 |
| 23:10.09 | ch | abrotman, after I log in using gdm, I get a splash screen. I want to change it. |
| 23:10.10 | abrotman | Seb: it's a grand idea .. but i've found only one or two things i'd like to see in debian that aren't there already |
| 23:10.21 | abrotman | ch: the one where the icons fill in ? |
| 23:10.25 | Seb | abrotman: what kind of things are we talking about ? |
| 23:10.28 | ch | abrotman, YEs. |
| 23:10.32 | abrotman | Seb: you mean software? |
| 23:10.52 | Seb | abrotman: what are the things you'd like to see indebian that aren't there already ? |
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| 23:11.16 | compguy1011 | 535/Xvnc |
| 23:11.16 | compguy1011 | tcp 0 480 192.168.1.100:22 192.168.1.102:1306 ESTABLISHED- |
| 23:11.22 | compguy1011 | 1306? |
| 23:11.32 | abrotman | Seb: wired/netbrake are two .. there were otheres .. wired can't even be compiled becuase hte versino of libportaudio0 isn't high enough |
| 23:11.44 | abrotman | Seb: and netbrake can be replaced with trickle |
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| 23:12.25 | abrotman | netbrake is easy to package .. iirc.. one bin .. one lib .. and a single man page :) |
| 23:12.31 | goog | compguy1011: 5900/TCP is the standard inbound port for VNC servers |
| 23:12.38 | Seb | abrotman: ah, well, I run openbsd as a router, where all those things are builtin ;) |
| 23:12.49 | abrotman | Seb: you can do it on a per app basis .. |
| 23:12.51 | compguy1011 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5901 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2578/Xvnc |
| 23:12.57 | compguy1011 | says 5901 |
| 23:12.58 | Seb | abrotman: i phear traffic shaping and semi-fancy routing with iptables :\ |
| 23:13.01 | abrotman | ie .. netbrake --limit=1000kbps apt-get update |
| 23:13.12 | Seb | compguy1011: there you go |
| 23:13.12 | compguy1011 | and this |
| 23:13.13 | compguy1011 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6001 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2578/Xvnc |
| 23:13.18 | compguy1011 | what is that one? |
| 23:13.18 | Seb | abrotman: oh I see |
| 23:13.21 | jethro | abrotman: trickle! |
| 23:13.23 | abrotman | Seb: which would be nice |
| 23:13.26 | abrotman | jethro: i said that :) |
| 23:13.42 | jethro | ah right, I should stop ignoring you randomly |
| 23:13.45 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:13.53 | abrotman | typical woman |
| 23:13.56 | bucky | compguy1011, which version of debian are you running? |
| 23:13.56 | jethro | :) |
| 23:13.58 | goog | compguy1011: Maybe it's non-standard... Or maybe you fiddled around with it too much and accidentally ran another before quitting the first, so the other went to 5901 instead of 5900... |
| 23:14.24 | abrotman | Seb: i'm sure if i thought about it .. i'd find others .. but more importantly .. stuff needs cleaned up .. and some maintainers need to be relieved :) |
| 23:14.26 | goog | compguy1011: I know my VNC server does that, if 5900 is busy |
| 23:14.30 | woodland | can mplayer play video and audio of all formats |
| 23:14.36 | abrotman | *all* ? |
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| 23:15.02 | Seb | abrotman: heheh |
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| 23:15.10 | Seb | abrotman: s/relieved/executed/ :> |
| 23:15.17 | EdLin | woodland: many, if you install w32codecs from marillat |
| 23:15.18 | abrotman | Seb: some of the packages currently available are totally fucked up |
| 23:15.31 | abrotman | and i mean in stable |
| 23:15.31 | Seb | abrotman: yeah I know... |
| 23:16.07 | abrotman | Seb: but what do i know .. i'm not a DD :) |
| 23:16.17 | abrotman | Seb: and i'm not sure i'd ever be approved |
| 23:16.31 | yoel | hmm.. i read over the internet that to stop the xwindow i need to run init 3 as root. i did that, and nothing changed.. the x is still on.. any ideas? |
| 23:16.32 | Seb | abrotman: heh, he who doesn't try, ... ;) |
| 23:16.43 | woodland | ok |
| 23:16.47 | EdLin | !tell yoel about nodm |
| 23:17.07 | abrotman | Seb: i've thought about . .i've had IRL friends who have tried and never even gotten a advocate |
| 23:17.14 | yoel | nodm? |
| 23:17.19 | woodland | edlin, r there any formats which cant be played in mplayer |
| 23:17.26 | yoel | no manual for that... |
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| 23:17.30 | EdLin | !r |
| 23:17.31 | dpkg | well, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS! |
| 23:17.49 | Seb | heh |
| 23:17.55 | yoel | haa.. someone tells me the answers! wow |
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| 23:18.02 | EdLin | yoel: maybe I misunderstood your question. At any rate run levels are differently handled by default in Debian. |
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| 23:18.09 | abrotman | Seb: the NM process sucks .. end of story .. it's really just bad |
| 23:18.14 | Cyberia | hi people.. |
| 23:18.16 | Seb | abrotman: well, the easiest way is to get someone to sponsor your package(s) for a while, and then ask this person to advocate for you... |
| 23:18.23 | Cyberia | what is your opionion about dotdeb? |
| 23:18.26 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's not really that bad; it just takes time. |
| 23:18.28 | abrotman | Seb: i guess it's effective at weeding out people who aren't truly serious .. dunno |
| 23:18.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yeah . i'm aware of that |
| 23:18.36 | Cyberia | is it worth using for production servers? |
| 23:18.48 | Seb | abrotman: i think that's one of the main purposes, yes |
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| 23:19.09 | EdLin | yoel: if you're running a dm, run /etc/init.d/xdm (or gdm/kdm/whatever) stop, and it'll dump you out to text mode. |
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| 23:19.14 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: admittedly .. seems kind of silly to have something like a skills test if i just want to fix documentation |
| 23:19.25 | grendal_prime | anyone any good with pam in general? |
| 23:19.39 | yoel | edlin: haa.. very smart idea.. thanks .. |
| 23:19.47 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: not that i'm saying that's all i would do .. but if that's all someone were interested in .. seems silly |
| 23:19.50 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: if you just want to fix documentation, you don't even need to be a developer for that. |
| 23:19.52 | EdLin | yoel: np, and a gmar chatima tova |
| 23:20.06 | yoel | gmar chatima tova :) .. |
| 23:20.08 | mrpickles444 | can someone tell me how to update my sources.list ? |
| 23:20.11 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: right .. but it also seems unfair if i were to spend 10 years writing documentation and never be a DD |
| 23:20.22 | abrotman | mrpickles444: apt-setup |
| 23:20.24 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: the primary issue is that someone with a key in the keyring can upload packages; they therefore need to pass through the skills test in order to actually have that responsibility. |
| 23:20.27 | grendal_prime | mrpickles444, sure..update it to what? |
| 23:20.37 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: to learn how to upload ? |
| 23:20.46 | abrotman | (which apparently .. they still screwup from time to time) |
| 23:20.50 | cureless | dondelelcaro: you're mixing up the concept of responsibility with writing code. |
| 23:20.53 | goog | EmleyMoor: Yep. Adding that to the startup scripts solved the problem. Thanks for helping me out :) |
| 23:20.57 | mrpickles444 | grendal_prime-- hehe well .. I guess I would want my apt sources to be the best thing any one could hope for on mepis linux |
| 23:21.00 | dondelelcaro | cureless: uh, no, I'm not. |
| 23:21.17 | grendal_prime | oh, i dont know shit about mepis |
| 23:21.28 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: if i work for qa and write docs for website and man pages for packages .. shouldn't i be allowed to be a DD .. even if i can't code C ? |
| 23:21.31 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no, to learn the procedures that they have to go through, and to make sure that they have a idea of the sorts of problems that we've faced in the past and how to avoid it. |
| 23:21.42 | EdLin | mrpickles444: mepis != Debian |
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| 23:21.43 | grendal_prime | well...im sorry thats not right...i dont even know enough to know if i know shit about mepis |
| 23:21.58 | abrotman | and afaik.. you can't become a DD without a package to put in |
| 23:22.03 | abrotman | (could be wrong there) |
| 23:22.06 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: you actually can. |
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| 23:22.26 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: a package in the archive is just the usual method; what you can't do is become a DD without having actually started working on whatever it is that you're planning on doing. |
| 23:22.34 | cureless | dondelelcaro: I though you were saying that you shouldn't become a DD if you just write docs. |
| 23:22.38 | dondelelcaro | cureless: no. |
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| 23:22.53 | mrpickles444 | grendal_prime, let me just try apt-setup |
| 23:22.56 | cureless | dondelelcaro: sorry, I jumped into the discussion without reading the whole thread. |
| 23:22.58 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: what if all i want to do is assist other DDs with thier packages ? |
| 23:23.07 | abrotman | file bugs/send in patches etc ... |
| 23:23.23 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: there are loads of packages that need their own maintainer. wnpp is filled with them. |
| 23:23.30 | abrotman | i know that |
| 23:23.36 | jvw | abrotman: if that's all you want to do, you can do that, and keep doing that |
| 23:23.41 | abrotman | but i wouldn't feel right maintaining one that i have no interest |
| 23:23.53 | abrotman | jvw: but can i be a DD merely by assisting other DDs ? |
| 23:23.58 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, then you can help out with other maintainers; you don't actually need to be a DD to do that. |
| 23:23.59 | abrotman | if i have no package of my own ? |
| 23:24.09 | abrotman | or no directed purpose |
| 23:24.19 | asuffield | abrotman: it's not impossible, but there'd have to be some reason why... |
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| 23:24.44 | jvw | abrotman: not really... DD is taking responabilities etc, and the whole thing that goes with it. Much easier for yourself to not become DD. DD isn't for recognising good work, it's for being able to directly work on Debian |
| 23:25.08 | abrotman | so submitting patches isn't directly working on debian ? |
| 23:25.08 | asuffield | and, realistically, "becoming a DD" should never be your reason for working on Debian |
| 23:25.09 | jvw | depends of course on your definition of 'assisting' |
| 23:25.16 | Zrin | my exim4 (on sarge) does not like RCPT TO:<user@localhost> ... why is that? |
| 23:25.31 | jvw | abrotman: it is helping maintainers maintaining their package |
| 23:25.34 | abrotman | Seb: sorry :) |
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| 23:25.41 | Seb | haha, perfectly fine by me |
| 23:25.45 | jvw | abrotman: it's working quite directly on Debian though, indeed |
| 23:25.51 | Zrin | RCPT TO:<user@the.domain.net> is accepted |
| 23:25.51 | goog | My eth0 interface is automatically loaded... before the PCMCIA drivers it requires, causing a lot of warnings at boot time. It works completely though. Anyway, I was wondering if I could just change the "auto eth0" line in my /etc/network/interfaces to "manual eth0" or something and add "ifconfig eth0 up" as the last command of my startup scripts? |
| 23:25.52 | jvw | abrotman: but not something that requires DD privileges |
| 23:25.57 | abrotman | of course not |
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| 23:26.11 | asuffield | abrotman: 'working on debian' is too vague. it really means 'uploading shit or otherwise doing stuff that requires an account in ldap' |
| 23:26.14 | abrotman | Zrin: what about just <user> ? |
| 23:26.22 | cureless | jvw: Zrin I don't use exim, but chances are you need to allow mail to localhost in your config. Maybe set it as one of the acceptable destinations |
| 23:26.29 | asuffield | which includes stuff that needs shell access to most of the debian.org hosts |
| 23:26.39 | Zrin | abrotman: does not work either |
| 23:26.40 | Seb | goog: i think there is a way to do that with hotplug, no ? |
| 23:26.53 | abrotman | asuffield: my earlier comments were about docs etc .. www/man .. and that yes i could submit those .. but i didn't think you could actually be a DD doing just that |
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| 23:27.14 | asuffield | abrotman: there's no *rule* against it. might be difficult |
| 23:27.19 | Seb | goog: what I'm mostly pointing at is that this problem has been solved before, and you shouldn't have to edit boot scripts to fix it yourself... |
| 23:27.29 | Zrin | cureless: I included localhost and localhost.localdomain in destinations, but perhaps you're right, need to enable mail to localhost |
| 23:27.30 | abrotman | asuffield: yeah .. seems unfair .. but oh well |
| 23:27.34 | cureless | the problem is not only that, it's that on certain things, only DDs get to decide. People that are not DDs because they don't maintain packages get no input |
| 23:27.45 | Seb | goog: unfortunately it's been too long since I used anything PCMCIA to remember the correct solution :\ |
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| 23:28.05 | abrotman | asuffield: i had discussed with someone else about the ability to donate packages also .. but he wasn't sure that would work |
| 23:28.09 | EdLin | PCMCIA = People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms |
| 23:28.27 | cureless | Zrin: that should probably be it though. Sorry I can't help, I use postfix. |
| 23:28.38 | abrotman | cureless: and it's the bestest! |
| 23:28.44 | Seb | cureless: tried #exim ? |
| 23:28.52 | cureless | Seb: you mean Zrin. |
| 23:28.58 | Seb | hrm yeah, sorry |
| 23:29.00 | asuffield | Zrin: put 'localhost' in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf as an entry in dc_other_hostnames |
| 23:29.05 | Zrin | yes, I'm trying #exim |
| 23:29.12 | asuffield | the default only contains localhost.localdomain |
| 23:29.23 | Zrin | asuffield: did that already |
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| 23:29.33 | abrotman | and by donating packages .. i mean "debian quality" packages .. up to snuff etc .. but i wouldn't want to maintain them in debian .. |
| 23:29.42 | asuffield | must be something with the ACLs or shit then |
| 23:29.45 | abrotman | though .. i guess that's not really the hard part |
| 23:29.52 | Zrin | dc_other_hostnames='localhost:localhost.localdomain:unipetrol.zrin.net' |
| 23:30.14 | asuffield | you did reload the config, I presume |
| 23:30.18 | Zrin | y |
| 23:30.41 | asuffield | abrotman: quite. any idiot can package something. what's needed for it to go into debian is a maintainer |
| 23:30.42 | EdLin | !y |
| 23:30.42 | dpkg | from memory, y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 23:30.54 | abrotman | Zrin: uhm .. localhost is defined in your /etc/hosts ? |
| 23:30.58 | asuffield | Zrin: something's blocking it then. go ask #exim and debug it |
| 23:30.59 | Zrin | fetchmail is trying e.g. Office@localhost, gets 550 unknown user and bounces |
| 23:31.04 | abrotman | asuffield: yeah .. some are complex .. but yeah |
| 23:31.12 | cureless | EdLin: I think he meant yes. |
| 23:31.25 | EdLin | cureless: at any rate he doesn't mean y |
| 23:31.44 | Zrin | abrotman: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost gate |
| 23:31.46 | asuffield | abrotman: very little actually *needs* to be complex. it's just that there's usually good reason for it to be |
| 23:32.06 | abrotman | asuffield: and some just flat out don't work :) |
| 23:32.16 | abrotman | Zrin: just making sure .. |
| 23:32.22 | abrotman | Zrin: and the error in your logs say ? |
| 23:32.47 | abrotman | asuffield: maybe some day .. i'd have to find something worth my time to package .. and as i told seb .. so far i've only come across two not in debian .. netbrake/wired |
| 23:33.11 | abrotman | and netbrake can be replaced by trickle .. and wired .. well .. the stuff to compile the current version isn't even in sid |
| 23:33.16 | Zrin | abrotman: 2005-10-12 01:13:39 H=(localhost) [127.0.0.1] U=Office F=<zrin@zrin.dhs.org> rejected RCPT <Office@localhost>: Unrouteable address |
| 23:34.44 | abrotman | Zrin: google is good .. google is wise ... http://www.exim.org/mail-archives/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20050509/msg00024.html |
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| 23:35.45 | Quinn_Storm | anyone know any good gui mail clients? so far I've used kmail and thunderbird both of which suck...and I tried mutt which just doesn't do what I want. Basically the things I really want are...filtering&sorting/tagging, and threading. Obviously it would need to support pop3 in addition to mbox/maildir |
| 23:35.51 | abrotman | evolution ? |
| 23:35.53 | abrotman | balsa? |
| 23:35.58 | Quinn_Storm | haven't tried either yet |
| 23:36.01 | abrotman | sylpheed ? |
| 23:36.13 | abrotman | evolution is BIG |
| 23:36.17 | abrotman | it's outlook-ish |
| 23:36.19 | Quinn_Storm | well I'm not a gnome user |
| 23:36.22 | Quinn_Storm | so I may skip evolution |
| 23:36.27 | abrotman | balsa is GTK |
| 23:36.31 | Quinn_Storm | gtk is fine |
| 23:36.35 | abrotman | i think |
| 23:36.35 | Quinn_Storm | full-on gnome however |
| 23:36.39 | abrotman | !depends balsa |
| 23:36.41 | dpkg | balsa: depends on libaspell15 (>= 0.60), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libesmtp5 (>= 0.8.8), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.9), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgmime2.1, libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomeprint2.2-0 (>= 2.10.2), libgnomeprintui2.2-0 (>= 2.10.0), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.10.0-0), libgpgme11 (>= 1.0.1), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgtkhtml3.6-18 (>= 3.6.2), libkrb53 (>= 1.3.2), libldap2 ... |
| 23:36.47 | abrotman | bah .. some gnome stuff |
| 23:36.56 | Quinn_Storm | yeah I noticed that |
| 23:36.57 | Quinn_Storm | hmm |
| 23:37.00 | Quinn_Storm | I'll try it anyway |
| 23:37.02 | Quinn_Storm | and sylpheed |
| 23:37.20 | abrotman | Quinn_Storm: http://packages.debian.org/stable/mail/ |
| 23:37.29 | Quinn_Storm | I'm still figuring out my desktop, using ion3 |
| 23:37.40 | Quinn_Storm | I used to be all kde |
| 23:37.45 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:37.51 | abrotman | slypheed might be small enough for you |
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| 23:38.06 | Quinn_Storm | once I discovered ion3 I decided never to go back, its just so much better in a lot of ways |
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| 23:38.41 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:39.00 | EdLin | Quinn_Storm: my favorite GUI client was sylpheed, but the sylpheed in Sarge doesn't work with gmail. |
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| 23:39.23 | samuel | whats the character for line break in windows? |
| 23:39.31 | samuel | for notepad files and the like? |
| 23:39.35 | datallah | samuel: \r\n |
| 23:39.36 | woodland | hi |
| 23:39.41 | samuel | datallah, thanks |
| 23:39.53 | Quinn_Storm | EdLin: it should...gmail has pop3 now... |
| 23:40.04 | abrotman | Zrin: work? |
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| 23:40.20 | Zrin | not yet, I'm studying exim config |
| 23:40.23 | EdLin | Quinn_Storm: that isn't the problem, the problem is that gmail's smtp is off-spec in the way it terminates. |
| 23:40.34 | Quinn_Storm | weird |
| 23:40.35 | abrotman | Zrin: did you read tha link ? |
| 23:40.45 | Quinn_Storm | I never had trouble using their SMTP with kmail... |
| 23:40.45 | Zrin | abrotman: yes, thank you |
| 23:40.48 | cureless | EdLin: send them an email about it |
| 23:41.23 | stew | EdLin: off spec how? |
| 23:41.23 | EdLin | Quinn_Storm: it hangs up without saying bye-bye. Most clients don't care, sylpheed does - though no longer, sylpheed now just logs the error instead of aborting. |
| 23:41.42 | EdLin | stew: I don't know the exact explaination, what I just said is the plain english version. |
| 23:42.06 | abrotman | sounds like FUD! |
| 23:42.20 | Quinn_Storm | strange |
| 23:42.23 | EdLin | abrotman: it's not fud, I saw it break on my system myself. |
| 23:42.36 | abrotman | sounds like FUD! |
| 23:42.39 | EdLin | Quinn_Storm: then you probably have a working sylpheed. |
| 23:42.40 | abrotman | EdLin: i'm kidding |
| 23:42.53 | abrotman | or sylpheed-claws |
| 23:42.59 | zinx | erh |
| 23:43.07 | abrotman | bah |
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| 23:43.11 | Quinn_Storm | whats sylpheed-claws? |
| 23:43.16 | abrotman | nothing .. ignore it |
| 23:43.25 | abrotman | you would never want more bleeding than bleeding |
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| 23:43.48 | Quinn_Storm | lol |
| 23:43.51 | nvz | blulbybl |
| 23:44.00 | EdLin | abrotman: yeah, sylpheed claws has interesting features, one of the interesting features is dumping core. |
| 23:44.05 | Quinn_Storm | lol |
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| 23:44.21 | stew | EdLin: gmail works correctly from here, it sends a 221 in response to QUIT then hangs up |
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| 23:44.27 | abrotman | !info slypheed-claws |
| 23:44.38 | abrotman | !info slypheed-claws sarge |
| 23:44.45 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 23:44.56 | Quinn_Storm | argfh, now gmail is down so I can't find out what its information is for the pop servers |
| 23:45.01 | EdLin | sylpheed, not slypheed |
| 23:45.11 | abrotman | yeah . if only i could spell :) |
| 23:45.21 | abrotman | !info sylpheed-claws |
| 23:45.28 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 23:45.31 | abrotman | !info sylpheed-claws sarge |
| 23:45.31 | woodland | i want to define environment variable NVDIST since i am gonna install nvidia driver |
| 23:45.35 | abrotman | there .. everoyne happy? |
| 23:45.38 | dpkg | sylpheed-claws: (Bleeding edge version of the Sylpheed mail client), section mail, is extra. Version: 1.0.4-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 991 kB, Installed size: 2288 kB |
| 23:45.47 | EdLin | stew: maybe they fixed it then. It would be nice if they did. |
| 23:45.52 | nvz | santa clause? |
| 23:46.18 | EdLin | abrotman: sylpheed got fixed somewhere in the 2.x series, unless sylpheed-claws synced the fix (or gmail fixed their behavior) it won't work better. |
| 23:47.15 | saik0 | if i wanted to do install debian from ISOs with just X and GNOME and then apt-get everything else could i do so by only having 1 or 2 images? |
| 23:47.33 | cheal | saik0: 1 |
| 23:47.33 | EdLin | at any rate, I'm running mutt. Not neccesarily because I love it but because I like getting mail in the background with fetchmail without keeping a client window open all the time. |
| 23:47.35 | goog | How can I reduce the font sizes used in GAIM and Thunderbird and such? My laptop is limited to 800x600 and while the fonts are not huge, they definately could be smaller. I've edited .fluxbox/style and made the window manager's fonts smaller, but the fonts in applications are still as big as they were. |
| 23:47.41 | nvz | man this working middle of the night is B.S. feels like it never ends |
| 23:47.58 | voxvirus | hello |
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| 23:48.06 | saik0 | cheal: CD 1 is all i need then? great |
| 23:48.11 | abrotman | EdLin: dunno .. i've been using evolution since .. Ximian was Helix :) |
| 23:48.13 | abrotman | helix: sorry |
| 23:48.17 | cheal | saik0: heh, yeah |
| 23:48.35 | EdLin | abrotman: evol works fine with gmail, I've used it when I played with Ubuntu. |
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| 23:49.00 | Quinn_Storm | goog: that would be in your .gtkrc-2.0 however why not look into properly setting your screen's DPI first? it sounds like its set too high |
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| 23:49.14 | cheal | saik0: maybe 2 for complete gnome |
| 23:49.14 | saik0 | you can access gmail from it's pop3 servers, right? |
| 23:49.17 | Quinn_Storm | is evolution decent? I'm playing with sylpheed now (2.0.1) |
| 23:49.28 | Quinn_Storm | I want something that handles threading well |
| 23:49.33 | Quinn_Storm | as I am on a very big mailing list |
| 23:49.34 | abrotman | EdLin: yeah .. it's either mutt/pine or evo ... evol works perfectly fine for me |
| 23:49.39 | nice-day | dude |
| 23:49.44 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:49.46 | abrotman | i am dude |
| 23:50.04 | EdLin | abrotman: evol is a bit bloated, else I'd consider it good. |
| 23:50.07 | nice-day | how can I get rida fsce windows manager and go back to kde? |
| 23:50.08 | grendal_prime | you are the dude |
| 23:50.09 | nice-day | it sucks |
| 23:50.14 | saik0 | cheal: how could i find out? |
| 23:50.16 | nice-day | damn this sucks |
| 23:50.23 | nice-day | xfce sucsk |
| 23:50.28 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 23:50.30 | cheal | saik0: well actually you need 2 for complete gnome |
| 23:50.32 | grendal_prime | really i like it |
| 23:50.36 | nvz | its not so bad, its xffm that sucks |
| 23:50.38 | grendal_prime | its really nice on pent 200's |
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| 23:50.55 | saik0 | i quite like xfce...it's a good 'middlewaeight' DE |
| 23:50.58 | grendal_prime | in fact it makes them an useable workstation |
| 23:51.00 | EdLin | nice-day: then run something else, it's not like there's a shortage of choice in the window manager field. |
| 23:51.01 | saik0 | middleweight even* |
| 23:51.02 | Quinn_Storm | xfce is pretty nice (I wrote a "dock" app for its panel) |
| 23:51.20 | Quinn_Storm | of course now I'm an ion3 girl |
| 23:51.27 | grendal_prime | ya EdLin no shit there...i think i spent 2 weeks checking them all out |
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| 23:51.40 | grendal_prime | and im sure i just touched the tip of the tit |
| 23:51.52 | cheal | !tell saik0 about cd contents |
| 23:51.54 | Quinn_Storm | once you get used to it, ion is actually pretty great |
| 23:51.58 | cheal | saik0: to answer your actual question |
| 23:51.59 | saik0 | cheal: thanks! |
| 23:52.09 | goog | Quinn_Storm: The dpi is perfectly fine. I'm just a big fan of small text :) |
| 23:52.14 | nice-day | how do i install and use another windows manager |
| 23:52.22 | nvz | I found ion pretty cozy right out of the box |
| 23:52.27 | grendal_prime | niceday..use aptitude..remove xfce4 |
| 23:52.28 | nice-day | I just want something a bit like kde |
| 23:52.33 | nice-day | when i can max or min windows |
| 23:52.35 | nice-day | u know |
| 23:52.39 | nice-day | Im on fedora core 3 |
| 23:52.42 | EdLin | !u |
| 23:52.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:52.44 | voxvirus | what's the name of the package for automount stuff? |
| 23:52.49 | grendal_prime | shift - and it will purge |
| 23:52.58 | EdLin | nice-day: if you're on fedora, why are you here? |
| 23:53.09 | grendal_prime | fedora?? what the.... |
| 23:53.11 | Quinn_Storm | goog: if my monitors were nicer I'd use tiny text too, but as it is they get kinda squinty |
| 23:53.11 | grendal_prime | dude |
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| 23:53.46 | grendal_prime | EdLin, no shit again...dude you are just the No shit guy today |
| 23:53.48 | saik0 | heh after this chat I'm thinking of using XFCE on it instead |
| 23:53.49 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 23:53.56 | EdLin | Quinn_Storm: when I used ion I used I ran an .Xdefault file to make the xterms have bigger letters. |
| 23:54.19 | Quinn_Storm | heh yeah, my xterms are mostly ok but I am considering that |
| 23:54.24 | grendal_prime | EdLin as in Edit Line? |
| 23:54.25 | goog | Quinn_Storm: I don't have a .gtkrc-2.0 file. Is there some nice software, perhaps with a GUI, that can make one for me? |
| 23:54.33 | xFlux | What should I do if I can logon to my IMAPd(cyrus21), but I cant send mail to it...From something like hotmail for ex.....Hotmail reports no errors, and I cant find any pertinant info in the logs |
| 23:54.50 | EdLin | grendal_prime: DOS editor, Microsoft's attempt to make a bad interface. |
| 23:54.55 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 23:54.55 | Quinn_Storm | goog: hmm...mostly they come with gtk themes...not sure, I've not done it by hand much. as for gaim, it actually has built-in preferences for its font sizes |
| 23:54.57 | saik0 | of course xfce is spread across images 4 5 9 and 10 |
| 23:54.58 | grendal_prime | it sucked |
| 23:55.15 | Quinn_Storm | as for xfce, if you want it, get the good xfce packages from os-cillation |
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| 23:55.28 | EdLin | grendal_prime: actually if it was like Unix ed(1) it'd be OK, but it wasn't. |
| 23:55.31 | grendal_prime | you had to retype the entire frigging line |
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| 23:55.50 | grendal_prime | i remember that damn thing |
| 23:55.56 | xiaogil | what's the command to start and stop a mysql sever ? |
| 23:56.01 | xiaogil | server |
| 23:56.14 | grendal_prime | i remember thinking....this is just not going to be what i do all day |
| 23:56.15 | saik0 | quinn_Storm: last time I used XFCE it was on ubuntu, should I not use the ones in debian stable repo?? |
| 23:56.18 | stew | xiaogil: /etc/init.d/mysql start / stop |
| 23:56.19 | Quinn_Storm | xiaogil: /etc/init.d/mysql {start|stop} ? |
| 23:56.36 | Quinn_Storm | saik0: the ones in debian stable are kinda old...the os-cillation packages are a lot nicer |
| 23:56.46 | xiaogil | thanks |
| 23:56.52 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:59.25 | Quinn_Storm | agh, I can't try out mail clients until gmail comes back up |
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| 23:59.37 | goog | Quinn_Storm: ah. nice. thanks :) |
| 23:59.43 | Quinn_Storm | heh what I really need is a good front-end to gmail, firefox is so slow |
