irclog2html for #debian on 20051012

`00:00.27`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: it is bloated .. but oh well`
`00:01.28`	`saik0`	`.msg dpkg xorg sarge`
`00:01.29`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: opera?`
`00:01.34`	`saik0`	`doh`
`00:01.36`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: eww`
`00:01.47`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: opera is worse than firefox or konqueror`
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`00:02.28`	`abrotman`	`it certainly runs faster`
`00:02.31`	`abrotman`	`than both of them`
`00:02.40`	`Quinn_Storm`	`well I don't know about konqueror but it does beat firefox in speed`
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`00:02.47`	`lockness`	`hi ! Does anyone know about Flex ?`
`00:02.49`	`abrotman`	`it beats them all!`
`00:02.52`	`Quinn_Storm`	`lol`
`00:02.59`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: try it`
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`00:03.13`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: there are static .deb packages available`
`00:03.23`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: I have tried it`
`00:03.33`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: I even have the free reg codes from the 10th birthday thing`
`00:03.34`	`lockness`	`Is there some developers here (Flex) ?`
`00:03.54`	`lockness`	`(are there better !)`
`00:03.59`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: it's all free now`
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`00:04.18`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: no more ads all of a sudden?`
`00:04.33`	`ghostlywalker`	`Not since 8.50`
`00:04.35`	`ghostlywalker`	`:D`
`00:04.41`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: the free reg codes were maybe a month ago and legitimately made your copy ad-free...oh, interesting`
`00:04.50`	`EdLin`	`Quinn_Storm: no more adds. They are making money in the embedded sphere and figure mind share is more important than competing with free products.`
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`00:04.57`	`EdLin`	`s/adds/ads`
`00:05.03`	`Quinn_Storm`	`if only they had good dynamic packages that took the current kde/qt theme`
`00:05.10`	`Quinn_Storm`	`I hate the opera theme mess`
`00:05.15`	`ghostlywalker`	`Whatever the reason I'm glad they made it free.`
`00:05.16`	`ghostlywalker`	`;)`
`00:05.22`	`EdLin`	`yeah, the theme is like keramik. Eww.`
`00:05.38`	`Quinn_Storm`	`personally I use plastik right now though I think I may switch to qinx`
`00:05.39`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: right .. no more`
`00:05.48`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: cool`
`00:05.55`	`EdLin`	`it's not free as in speech though...`
`00:05.57`	`Quinn_Storm`	`and I use the gtk-qt theme thing`
`00:06.01`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: uhm .. whihc theme? .. my opera uses the sawfish theme i use`
`00:06.09`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: sawfish is the wm theme`
`00:06.11`	`abrotman`	`at least ofr the window frame .. but i use gnome ..`
`00:06.19`	`Quinn_Storm`	`ah, opera is written in qt`
`00:06.20`	`abrotman`	`so it would have no hope of finding a Qt theme :)`
`00:06.22`	`woodland`	`is there any channel for discussing bash shell`
`00:06.28`	`Quinn_Storm`	`so it -should- be able to use qt themes`
`00:06.41`	`EdLin`	`woodland: #bash`
`00:06.48`	`woodland`	`ok`
`00:07.05`	`stew`	`woodland: you aren't going to use nvidia's installer, are you?`
`00:07.17`	`Quinn_Storm`	`anyhow, I'm still hoping to find an actual mail client`
`00:07.17`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: you could ask on irc.opera.com ?`
`00:07.22`	`Quinn_Storm`	`I may do that later`
`00:07.23`	`abrotman`	`if you're really interested`
`00:07.27`	`Quinn_Storm`	`only mildly`
`00:07.29`	`abrotman`	`since .. opera has a mail agent too`
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`00:07.40`	`Quinn_Storm`	`yeah I just don't like opera's...style`
`00:07.55`	`woodland`	`stew i am going to follow debian instructions for nvidia its here http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html`
`00:08.25`	`abrotman`	`then find your own damn mail client :)`
`00:08.28`	`stew`	`woodland: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner`
`00:08.34`	`woodland`	`ok`
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`00:10.47`	`stew`	`woodland: since those instructions on comcast are for tesiing/unstable and they refer to kenrel-image packages and not linux-image packages and it is talking about xfree which is not in testing/sid anymore, they are looking out of date to me`
`00:11.13`	`paxl`	`argh.. why firefox randomly crash :S`
`00:11.25`	`woodland`	`ok`
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`00:11.43`	`fishhead`	`cause firefox hates stupid canucks like you`
`00:11.43`	`woodland`	`stew, but that one liner i dont understand`
`00:11.45`	`fishhead`	`CANUCK!`
`00:12.05`	`fishhead`	`that's canadian acts of terrorism such as allow william shatner to sing!`
`00:12.08`	`stew`	`woodland: tell us what specifically you don't understand and we'll explain`
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`00:12.32`	`Althaser`	`how can i see the vunerabilitys of my system ? please`
`00:12.39`	`paxl`	`fishhead: you are so constructive.`
`00:12.40`	`stew`	`woodland: what version of debian are you running?`
`00:12.49`	`fishhead`	`paxl :P`
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`00:12.57`	`woodland`	`stew, i am running sarge`
`00:12.57`	`fishhead`	`paxl the only time I have major problems with firefox is`
`00:13.04`	`fishhead`	`when I have the shithold flash plugin loaded`
`00:13.10`	`stew`	`Althaser: subscribe to debian-security-announce mailing list`
`00:13.14`	`fishhead`	`it's a canucked up piece of shit`
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`00:13.28`	`stew`	`woodland: ok those comcast.net instructions weren't going to work for you anyway`
`00:13.40`	`fishhead`	`I tried flashblock but idiots founds ways around it so I finally just ripped out the flush plugin`
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`00:13.43`	`woodland`	`ok, so stew, what do i do`
`00:13.50`	`paxl`	`fishhead: currently I thing htis is due ot the Xorg unstable version cause I want' having any problem before`
`00:13.50`	`Althaser`	`stew thanks ;)`
`00:13.58`	`paxl`	`and downgrading seem to be impossible`
`00:14.00`	`stew`	`!nvidia one-liner`
`00:14.01`	`dpkg`	`i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>`
`00:14.06`	`fishhead`	`paxl could be`
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`00:14.25`	`stew`	`woodland: what there don't you understand? do you have non-free and contrib sources?`
`00:14.55`	`woodland`	`stew, i dont understand what is && in one liner`
`00:15.28`	`Xenguy`	`woodland: it says, do command #2 only if #1 completed first`
`00:15.30`	`stew`	`woodland: its a shell directive, it basically tells bash, dont do the next thing if the thing before it failed. but you could just run everything in between && as separate commands`
`00:15.30`	`Quinn_Storm`	`woodland: && means if the previous command succeeded (returned 0 exit code), do the second`
`00:15.44`	`Quinn_Storm`	`stew: you mean if the thing before it didn't fail`
`00:15.53`	`stew`	`oh, right`
`00:16.09`	`woodland`	`ok now i get it stew,`
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`00:16.48`	`stew`	`paxl: "apt-get install package=version" will install an older version if the older version is still available`
`00:17.06`	`woodland`	`ok`
`00:17.35`	`stew`	`Quinn_Storm: actually looking again, i had it right`
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`00:18.06`	`Quinn_Storm`	`stew: no, a 0 exit code is a success, not a failure`
`00:18.09`	`woodland`	`stew, if i install everything there in oneliner then new nvidia driver should be installed, right ?`
`00:18.14`	`Quinn_Storm`	`stew: a && b means do b if a returned 0`
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`00:18.35`	`stew`	`Quinn_Storm: right, thats what i said, "dont do the next thing if the thing before it failed."`
`00:18.49`	`Quinn_Storm`	`stew: oh ok, I didn't see the dont`
`00:19.17`	`stew`	`woodland: thats the theory :)`
`00:19.21`	`woodland`	`ok`
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`00:24.49`	`xiaogil`	`my.cnf should belong to root:root or mysql:mysql ?`
`00:25.33`	`TML`	`xiaogil: root:root`
`00:25.42`	`xiaogil`	`thanks`
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`00:28.20`	`abrotman`	`chachacha ?`
`00:29.02`	`EdLin`	`abrotman: fnord, you saw nothing, fnord`
`00:29.16`	`saik0_afk`	`is there a good book/doc on setting up a debian server to run OpenLDAP+Kerberos+SASL+Samba to function as a windows 2000 server would (but better =D )`
`00:29.40`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`00:29.50`	`abrotman`	`#samba ?`
`00:31.41`	`abrotman`	`chachacha ?`
`00:32.02`	`EdLin`	`abrotman: there's no connection with samba that I know of`
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`00:32.33`	`Quinn_Storm`	`lol`
`00:32.44`	`Quinn_Storm`	`why am I suddenly afraid of the phrase "you saw nothing"?`
`00:32.46`	`trogger`	`there seems to be a lot of broken packages in unstable at the moment, is this true?`
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`00:33.10`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: que ?`
`00:33.19`	`EdLin`	`Quinn_Storm: just go back to your normal rutine citizen.`
`00:33.40`	`abrotman`	`trogger: i'm not sure if you know this .. but unstable packages are broken`
`00:33.43`	`abrotman`	`!unstable`
`00:33.43`	`dpkg`	`[unstable] the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid`
`00:33.59`	`nephlim`	`hey folks. is there a way as root to get a users pass? I need to log in as him and test something?`
`00:34.14`	`nephlim`	`err, niz that last ? mark :)`
`00:34.20`	`nephlim`	`nix*`
`00:34.24`	`trogger`	`abrotman: is there anywhere on the web I can read about this? I have been using unstable for a couple of years, and all of a sudden I get piles of broken dependencies`
`00:34.29`	`EdLin`	`nephlim: su - user`
`00:34.40`	`nephlim`	`neat, thanks`
`00:34.45`	`abrotman`	`trogger: read about what? .. broken stuff in unstable ?`
`00:34.49`	`pngwn`	`pitiful`
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`00:35.01`	`trogger`	`abrotman: well, there seems to be much more broken stuff there than there used to be`
`00:35.06`	`abrotman`	`trogger: you should at the very least subscribe to debian-devel-announce`
`00:35.18`	`trogger`	`abrotman: thank you, I will definitely check that out.`
`00:35.19`	`abrotman`	`trogger: C++ ABI transition,xorg, uhm .. what else`
`00:35.27`	`trogger`	`abrotman: tetex?`
`00:35.35`	`abrotman`	`trogger: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/`
`00:35.39`	`abrotman`	`!depends tetex`
`00:35.52`	`abrotman`	`what package is it in ?`
`00:36.06`	`EdLin`	`abrotman: tetex-bin, tetex-extra, etc.`
`00:36.09`	`abrotman`	`ah`
`00:36.10`	`trogger`	`abrotman: tetex-base tetex-common`
`00:36.16`	`abrotman`	`this is what happens when you don't write stuff`
`00:36.17`	`nephlim`	`EdLin: it's not working, it looks like it wants his pass`
`00:36.22`	`abrotman`	`!depends tetex-bin`
`00:36.27`	`abrotman`	`!depends tetex-base`
`00:36.30`	`abrotman`	`that's it .. you're all fired!`
`00:36.32`	`EdLin`	`nephlim: if you're root it doesn't ask for a password.`
`00:36.41`	`abrotman`	`noone uses tetex apparently .. the package doesn't exist`
`00:36.56`	`nephlim`	`ahhhhh, there we go`
`00:36.58`	`nephlim`	`thanks again`
`00:37.03`	`trogger`	`yeah it's tetex-base, tetex-common, tetex-extra`
`00:37.13`	`abrotman`	`!find tetex`
`00:37.14`	`Quinn_Storm`	`!depends tetex-bin`
`00:37.16`	`EdLin`	`tetex-bin and tetex-base both exist, at least in sarge`
`00:37.21`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'tetex' (6 of 58): (/usr/lib/paxtest/writetext) in devel/paxtest ;; (/usr/share/doc/tetex-extra) in tex/tetex-extra ;; (/usr/lib/cruft/filters/tetex-base) in admin/cruft ;; (/usr/bin/strip-tetex-src) in tex/ptex-buildsupport ;; (/usr/share/doc/arabtex/txt/tetex.txt) in tex/arabtex ;; (/usr/share/doc/mhonarc/resources/notetext.html) in mail/mhonarc.`
`00:37.28`	`abrotman`	`that was .. less than helpful`
`00:37.31`	`abrotman`	`!find bin/tetex`
`00:37.38`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'bin/tetex' (1): (/usr/bin/tetex-xwarn) in tex/tetex-bin.`
`00:37.42`	`Quinn_Storm`	`!depends tex/tetex-bin`
`00:37.44`	`abrotman`	`oh .. cute`
`00:37.52`	`Quinn_Storm`	`wtf`
`00:37.58`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: that doesn't work :)`
`00:38.30`	`EdLin`	`abrotman: the bot has a buglet, apt-cache detects tetex-bin and tetex-base fine here.`
`00:38.49`	`abrotman`	`bah .. we broke dpkg`
`00:39.10`	`Quinn_Storm`	`yeah I have a lot of matches on apt-cache search`
`00:39.10`	`EdLin`	`!broken`
`00:39.10`	`dpkg`	`i guess broken is mailto:nothing@machine.cx -> http://machine.cx/debian/ or screen shots are at http://nivda.machine.cx or that's sid for you.`
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`00:39.33`	`abrotman`	`trogger: afaict .. tetex-bin depends on C++ .. which just changed .. stuff is broken wrt C++`
`00:39.50`	`trogger`	`abrotman: ah, ok, thank you.`
`00:39.51`	`abrotman`	`trogger: apt-cache show tetex-bin`
`00:40.03`	`abrotman`	`, libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1)`
`00:40.05`	`abrotman`	`in etch anyways`
`00:40.37`	`abrotman`	`trogger: did you check the BTS ?`
`00:40.43`	`trogger`	`abrotman: ah. could this explain problems over the last week or even slightly longer?`
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`00:41.06`	`abrotman`	`trogger: if you check september archives for d-d-a .. it's been going on for a while`
`00:41.12`	`trogger`	`abrotman: ok, thanks a lot`
`00:41.14`	`abrotman`	`maybe even august archives too`
`00:41.20`	`abrotman`	`trogger: do you iknow what the BTS is ?`
`00:41.38`	`nvz`	`I am unable to understand why ntpdate tells me "the NTP socket is in use"`
`00:41.39`	`trogger`	`abrotman: no. but knowing that it's explained by c++ makes me stop wondering what I'm doing wrong`
`00:41.45`	`abrotman`	`!bts`
`00:41.45`	`dpkg`	`bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/`
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`00:41.46`	`woodland`	`when i type '/msg dpkg non-free sources' i see this line ' ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main'' '. now which are two main debian mirror lines ?`
`00:41.54`	`abrotman`	`gravity: you've been hiding from me!`
`00:42.23`	`abrotman`	`woodland: /msg dpkg non-free`
`00:42.26`	`gravity`	`abrotman: I've been all gnome summitting`
`00:42.30`	`abrotman`	`woodland: in /etc/apt/sources.list`
`00:42.37`	`abrotman`	`gravity: ah .. sounds fun .. anything exciting ?`
`00:42.46`	`gravity`	`abrotman: Not for me really`
`00:42.54`	`gravity`	`abrotman: I did get to meet keithp and jgettys`
`00:42.58`	`abrotman`	`gravity: are you a gnome dev .. or you just went for the X stuff ?`
`00:43.04`	`abrotman`	`like xorg/cairo etc`
`00:43.09`	`gravity`	`abrotman: The X stuff.`
`00:43.14`	`gravity`	`abrotman: It was here in Boston and free, so I went`
`00:43.20`	`abrotman`	`ah .. good deal`
`00:43.23`	`woodland`	`abrotman i know that its in /etc/apt/sources.list but there are many lines there, which are two main lines`
`00:43.24`	`gravity`	`I use gnome, so that part was fun`
`00:43.38`	`abrotman`	`woodland: paste them at pastebin.ca or something similiar`
`00:43.47`	`woodland`	`ok`
`00:43.57`	`abrotman`	`gravity: but noone asked me to go!`
`00:43.59`	`woodland`	`abrotman i can flood it`
`00:44.04`	`gravity`	`heh`
`00:44.10`	`gravity`	`abrotman: I didn't know I was going until the night before`
`00:44.12`	`abrotman`	`woodland: in #flood ?`
`00:44.21`	`woodland`	`ya`
`00:44.27`	`abrotman`	`fine .. whichever`
`00:44.31`	`abrotman`	`gravity: no work/school ?`
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`00:44.39`	`gravity`	`abrotman: It was over the weekend`
`00:44.46`	`abrotman`	`oh .. duh :)`
`00:45.06`	`abrotman`	`gravity: did you take them all to fenway for the game ?`
`00:45.14`	`gravity`	`Ha!`
`00:45.24`	`gravity`	`abrotman: The day it started was the day after`
`00:45.27`	`woodland`	`abrotman i just flooded my sources.list`
`00:45.35`	`abrotman`	`gravity: erm ... it started saturday?`
`00:45.42`	`abrotman`	`woodland: no you didn't`
`00:45.57`	`gravity`	`abrotman: Yeah`
`00:46.01`	`abrotman`	`ah ok`
`00:46.08`	`woodland`	`yes i used the command /exec cat /etc/apt/sources.list`
`00:46.32`	`abrotman`	`woodland: /exec -o blahblablhbhal`
`00:46.41`	`woodland`	`ok`
`00:47.06`	`Xenguy`	`.oO(It's quiet -- too quiet :-/ )`
`00:47.07`	`woodland`	`abrotman can u see now`
`00:47.11`	`Zrin`	`can it be that exim 4 does not like usernames with capitals, like Office@localhost?!?`
`00:47.13`	`EdLin`	`!u`
`00:47.14`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`00:47.16`	`abrotman`	`woodland: "u" is not a word`
`00:47.18`	`abrotman`	`woodland: and yes`
`00:47.41`	`abrotman`	`woodland: see those last three lines .. the ones without the # in front .. add " non-free contrib" at the end of each line`
`00:48.02`	`woodland`	`ok`
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`00:48.18`	`Xenguy`	`Zrin: unlikely, but I just guessing :-)`
`00:48.27`	`Xenguy`	`I'm*`
`00:48.32`	`EdLin`	`woodland: then run apt-get update`
`00:48.41`	`woodland`	`ok`
`00:48.44`	`Zrin`	`Xenguy: testing ... but it seems so :-(`
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`00:49.05`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: oh yeah .. forgot that minor part :)`
`00:49.06`	`Zrin`	`Xenguy: are usernames with capitals a bad thing (TM)?`
`00:49.18`	`Xenguy`	`Zrin: Not at all AFAIK`
`00:49.25`	`Guerin`	`Zrin: yes`
`00:49.35`	`woodland`	`abrotman why the lines without # in front`
`00:49.36`	`Guerin`	`usernames should be lowercase alphanumeric`
`00:49.45`	`EdLin`	`no, they are bad, I don't know but at least with some Unixes everything will be all caps if you use caps in the user name`
`00:49.46`	`abrotman`	`woodland: comments`
`00:49.48`	`Zrin`	`Guerin: who/where/why?`
`00:49.53`	`Guerin`	`and preferably shorter than 8 characters`
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`00:50.35`	`woodland`	`abrotman the lines with # in front are comments, right ?`
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`00:50.53`	`abrotman`	`yes . i said that :)`
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`00:51.12`	`Xenguy`	`Guerin: Is there a reference for that? This is news to me`
`00:51.28`	`mfrisch`	`will someone test my mailscanner conf?`
`00:51.31`	`Xenguy`	`Guerin: 8 characters, yes`
`00:51.43`	`Xenguy`	`Guerin: but the case issue, I'm curious`
`00:52.08`	`Guerin`	`Xenguy: it's The Way Things Are`
`00:52.12`	`regi`	`OLA AGUEM QUE FALA EM PORTUGUES?`
`00:52.31`	`Xenguy`	`Guerin: so you don't have a supporting reference - OK :-)`
`00:52.33`	`gravity`	`!pt`
`00:52.33`	`dpkg`	`por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues.`
`00:52.33`	`Guerin`	`Xenguy: the regex is definable in adduser.conf`
`00:52.37`	`Zrin`	`Guerin: what about group names?`
`00:52.53`	`abrotman`	`kittenbot: purr ?`
`00:52.56`	`Guerin`	`Zrin: same`
`00:53.17`	`kittenbot`	`meow?`
`00:53.19`	`Zrin`	`Guerin: what about "Debian-exim" group then?!?`
`00:53.23`	`abrotman`	`kittenbot: just checking :)`
`00:53.36`	`kittenbot`	`Try checking your logs.`
`00:53.40`	`abrotman`	`logs of what?`
`00:53.46`	`Guerin`	`Zrin: i said 'should', not 'must'`
`00:53.52`	`Zrin`	`hmm`
`00:53.55`	`Guerin`	`Zrin: but the Debian-* groups are special cases`
`00:53.56`	`kittenbot`	`Your chat logs?`
`00:54.08`	`abrotman`	`kittenbot: that doesn't tell me anything .. i don't keep logs . i onyl have since i joined this evening`
`00:54.15`	`kittenbot`	`Ah.`
`00:54.18`	`abrotman`	`sorry`
`00:56.11`	`nvz`	`:P`
`00:56.50`	`Xenguy`	`Guerin: that seems to make sense`
`00:57.00`	`abrotman`	`nvz: no .. i'm not joking`
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`00:57.23`	`abrotman`	`nvz: i think it was one of the "s*" guys .. gave me a World of Oz - The Muffin Man song`
`00:57.39`	`nvz`	`heh`
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`00:58.31`	`nvz`	`abrotman: did the name sound a lot like the lyrics to a phil collins song?`
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`00:59.25`	`Guerin`	`Xenguy: aiui it's a hangover from the old days - many of the technical limitations may have been mitigated in modern unices, but it's still that way for a reason`
`00:59.42`	`Guerin`	`Xenguy: the regex is definable so you can easily match usernames in scripts, etc.`
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`01:00.03`	`abrotman`	`nvz: tis possible`
`01:00.05`	`abrotman`	`!sing sussudio_`
`01:00.07`	`abrotman`	`!sing sussudio`
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`01:00.40`	`abrotman`	`!br`
`01:00.40`	`dpkg`	`Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
`01:00.46`	`nvz`	`sounds familiar to me`
`01:01.11`	`abrotman`	`Piggy: who gave me the song!`
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`01:02.10`	`nvz`	`there seems to be no real elegant way to quickly search massive gzipped logs like that`
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`01:02.31`	`abrotman`	`nvz: it'd be nice`
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`01:02.41`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`hello.`
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`01:03.11`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`does it matter if i deleted my root username ? and replaced it with a user having its access.`
`01:03.43`	`abrotman`	`say waht?`
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`01:04.13`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: if you have to ask, you shouldn't`
`01:04.13`	`nvz`	`abrotman: might as well be programmed in Java (or Flash) for as slow and intesive it would be.`
`01:04.15`	`dondelelcaro`	`nvz: you can just find . -type f -iname '*.gz'\|xargs zgrep foo\|less`
`01:04.26`	`abrotman`	`nvz: hehe`
`01:04.29`	`woodland`	`abrotman r u there`
`01:04.33`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: we dont' have access to PIggy`
`01:04.38`	`abrotman`	`woodland: R and U are not words`
`01:04.45`	`dondelelcaro`	`shrug`
`01:04.47`	`Guerin`	`it's POSSIBLE to replace root with another username, but if you don;t know what you're doing, you'll fuck things up irreparably`
`01:05.02`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: well can i know any reason`
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`01:05.11`	`gravity`	`dondelelcaro is watching YOU`
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`01:05.19`	`woodland`	`when i used the command modprobe nvidia i get the following message > in flood`
`01:05.33`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: i got u if i added another user with root access , i wont have problems right`
`01:05.38`	`gravity`	`Oh boy. Another problem with the nvidia drivers. Will wonders never cease?`
`01:05.49`	`dondelelcaro`	`HeLpSysTeM: what exactly are you trying to do?`
`01:05.50`	`dli`	`which board for hardware?`
`01:06.01`	`dondelelcaro`	`HeLpSysTeM: there's no reason to change the name of the uid 0 user.`
`01:06.18`	`nephlim`	`i just had su - user working, now it tells me "unable cd to /home/user"... any ideas?`
`01:06.42`	`dondelelcaro`	`nephlim: /home/user doesn't exist, or you don't have the right permisions to do so.`
`01:06.44`	`abrotman`	`woodland: you got the kernel tainted message because nvidia is a bad company :)`
`01:06.50`	`woodland`	`oops`
`01:06.51`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`dondelelcaro: i was modifying /etc/passwd and i changed it and its good i left root as root with uid 0 and i gave another user uid 0 that wont effect my system`
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`01:07.02`	`abrotman`	`woodland: it's ok .. lots of people do it ..`
`01:07.06`	`dondelelcaro`	`HeLpSysTeM: why the hell do you want another user with UID 0?`
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`01:07.07`	`woodland`	`ok`
`01:07.08`	`nephlim`	`dondelelcaro: but i'm root`
`01:07.11`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: no`
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`01:07.29`	`happyb_`	`on make menuconfig i get "static declartation of current-item" error...`
`01:07.32`	`happyb_`	`what does that mean?`
`01:07.40`	`happyb_`	`worked 5 minutes ago, but not now`
`01:07.40`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: no`
`01:07.45`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: if you don't have a reason to fuck with it, don't fuck with it`
`01:07.56`	`nvz`	`nephlim: the user doesn't own his homedir and has no access or it doesn't exist maybe`
`01:08.02`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`i did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386. and when its installed i did apt-get remove kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 < is that right`
`01:08.03`	`tenner`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:08.06`	`abrotman`	`happyb_: make clean ?`
`01:08.11`	`happyb_`	`tried that`
`01:08.15`	`happyb_`	`ill try again`
`01:08.17`	`nephlim`	`hmm, he should though`
`01:08.24`	`happyb_`	`same thing`
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`01:09.11`	`dondelelcaro`	`HeLpSysTeM: if you're running 2.4.27-2-386, you shouldn't be removing it.`
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`01:09.23`	`dondelelcaro`	`(until such time as you are not running it)`
`01:09.28`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`dondelelcaro: i already did and now running 2.6.8`
`01:09.34`	`dondelelcaro`	`HeLpSysTeM: then remove it.`
`01:09.51`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`dondelelcaro: i did my question i will be safe or i will got problems.`
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`01:10.14`	`secureboot`	`l/quit`
`01:10.15`	`dondelelcaro`	`HeLpSysTeM: if you're not running 2.4.27, you're not using it, so removing it won't cause a problem.`
`01:10.17`	`nvz`	`I need to go find a cord to solder on my headphones I broke the jack and they used that generic grade wire`
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`01:10.27`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: the whole point of there being onlu one root is that there's only one person who can break shit`
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`01:11.00`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: well no one can access my computer since its not connected world wide. its for students`
`01:11.03`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: if you have a normal user with uid 0, there's twice the possibility for fuckuppery or pwnage`
`01:11.07`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: hahaha`
`01:11.24`	`Guerin`	`the old 'my computer is safe I don't have to worry about security' gag`
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`01:11.36`	`EdLin`	`HeLpSysTeM: if you need someone else to have root privledges use sudo`
`01:11.42`	`resiak`	`HeLpSysTeM: If no-one can access your computer, what's the point of it being turned on?`
`01:11.47`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: what level of students?`
`01:12.02`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`resiak: its just for LAN not WW`
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`01:12.10`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: NewBie`
`01:12.13`	`resiak`	`HeLpSysTeM: So can people access it?`
`01:12.19`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: that will all change if one of them gets root`
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`01:12.20`	`nvz`	`hmm I got a 1/8" phono (M) - 1/8" phono (M) cord on my speakers.. if I cut it in half and solder one end to the speakers and the other to the headphones problem solved :P`
`01:12.25`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: no ... what age`
`01:12.28`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`resiak: just from behind the keyboard and behind it :)`
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`01:12.35`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro, how do i configure blootbot to autojoin a channel?`
`01:12.43`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: 23 37 varois`
`01:12.43`	`Gnea`	`hrm`
`01:12.53`	`resiak`	`SerajewelKS: Why don't you read the example configs? It's not that hard.`
`01:12.56`	`dondelelcaro`	`nvz: blech; just get a 1/4" jack and a 1/8" to 1/4" adapter; and stick it on the cord`
`01:12.57`	`SerajewelKS`	`Gnea, didn't you help me try to get glx working a while ago?`
`01:13.05`	`SerajewelKS`	`resiak, because there is no default configuration for channels?`
`01:13.11`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`how to remove ipv6 capability`
`01:13.12`	`dondelelcaro`	`(unless you've totally murdered the cord)`
`01:13.13`	`Gnea`	`SerajewelKS: i tried, i don't recall it actually working...`
`01:13.15`	`Guerin`	`SerajewelKS: funny, I found one`
`01:13.26`	`dondelelcaro`	`HeLpSysTeM: there's no point to removing ipv6 support.`
`01:13.35`	`SerajewelKS`	`Guerin, there's _default -- doesn't really tell me how to add a channel as autojoin`
`01:13.39`	`resiak`	`SerajewelKS: Yes there is.`
`01:13.40`	`SerajewelKS`	`Gnea, yeah i got it working by reinstalling etch`
`01:13.48`	`SerajewelKS`	`resiak, which file pray tell?`
`01:13.50`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`dondelelcaro: i hate dhcp and ipv6 :s its just take more time to boot my system`
`01:13.56`	`Gnea`	`SerajewelKS: heh rock on`
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`01:14.01`	`nvz`	`dondelelcaro: heh. my mp3 player isnt even 1/4" I don't think.. which is why I keep breaking jacks off with it`
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`01:14.14`	`SerajewelKS`	`Gnea, lots of problems got fixed actually... the default alsa config in etch rocks`
`01:14.28`	`resiak`	`SerajewelKS: blootbotroot/files/sample/blootbot.chan`
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`01:14.31`	`pacmac`	`hello`
`01:14.39`	`pacmac`	`I was using x-chat on my Enlightenment desktop, it dissapear from the desktop, so when i did 'ps afx' I can see the process, it's not sttoped`
`01:14.42`	`Gnea`	`SerajewelKS: yeah, there are a lot of things in etch/sid that make 'em attractive`
`01:14.45`	`pacmac`	`how can I recover the gui?`
`01:14.47`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`where to find my eth0 < config file`
`01:14.52`	`Guerin`	`nvz: mp3 player should be 3.5mm, not 6mm`
`01:14.58`	`Gnea`	`HeLpSysTeM: gotta get some more coax eh? :)`
`01:14.59`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: man interfaces`
`01:15.03`	`secher`	`This is so strange. behind my firewall (debian), ICMP packets get through fine, however, HTTP packets only get through from certain sites, e.g. news.google.com gets through, however linksys.com does not. I can telnet to linksys.com:80 and get make a HEAD request, and get a response, and just the same in browsers, the name will resolve, and there it stops until the browser times out. From the firewall, everything works fine. Any`
`01:15.16`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: i fear the world in which you're allowed to run a server for other people`
`01:15.17`	`dondelelcaro`	`nvz: it should be 1/8"; you use the 1/4" to 1/8" adapter so you just have to replace the adaptor when it breaks`
`01:15.20`	`Guerin`	`GODDAMNIT`
`01:15.28`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: add an auto <foonick>; line in the channel.`
`01:15.32`	`SerajewelKS`	`Gnea, which points out a potential problem with debian's way of handling config files: milestone changes to config files don't really get handled that well`
`01:15.45`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: that's what ucf is for.`
`01:15.53`	`Gnea`	`SerajewelKS: hmmmm... g'wan..`
`01:15.57`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro, ucf?`
`01:16.08`	`Guerin`	`two women have moved into my office, doing admin or some shit on the other computers, and they spend all their time wittering to one another, and they've fucking put on the korean sappy ballad station`
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`01:16.24`	`resiak`	`Guerin: Hurt them.`
`01:16.33`	`Guerin`	`resiak: i will find subtle ways to do so`
`01:16.35`	`dondelelcaro`	`Guerin: that's when you get the death metal out and start blasting`
`01:16.35`	`resiak`	`Guerin: Claim it was in self-defence.`
`01:17.01`	`secher`	`Guerin: I second dondelelcaro's suggestion.`
`01:17.03`	`Gnea`	`Guerin: wait, i thought you were the admin`
`01:17.05`	`SerajewelKS`	`all i know is that woody->sarge->etch didn't work half as well as installing etch from scratch`
`01:17.16`	`dvs`	`Guerin: Finish Them ;-)`
`01:17.20`	`Guerin`	`Gnea: hell no, I'm just the token honkey`
`01:17.23`	`SerajewelKS`	`not that i want it to wipe out my config files without asking, but it doesn't exen ask`
`01:17.38`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: uh, it should be asking, assuming those things are actually config files.`
`01:17.45`	`Gnea`	`Guerin: netadmin?`
`01:17.51`	`Guerin`	`Gnea: teacher`
`01:17.52`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: if it's not, the package has issues.`
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`01:18.03`	`Gnea`	`Guerin: oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh heheheheheh`
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`01:18.10`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro, well... arts, alsa... the kernel... lots of things work tons better`
`01:18.22`	`alek`	`can anyone tell me the script that runs normally after install on first boot?`
`01:18.33`	`Guerin`	`alek: base-config`
`01:18.37`	`alek`	`Guerin: thanks`
`01:18.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro, for example the default alsa setup i have on etch uses dmix. i had to bend over backwards to get dmix working and it still didn't work very well`
`01:18.52`	`Guerin`	`alek: you may have to reinstall it to rerun it`
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`01:18.59`	`Gnea`	`SerajewelKS: perk dmix? :D`
`01:19.04`	`Quinn_Storm`	`eww dmix`
`01:19.06`	`Guerin`	`and I fucking left my headphones at home today`
`01:19.12`	`Guerin`	`rrrrrrrrrr`
`01:19.16`	`Gnea`	`dmix rocks the socks`
`01:19.27`	`alek`	`Guerin: i actually exited it intentionally, so i reran it and it seems fine. Thanks.`
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`01:19.33`	`Guerin`	`alek: nice.`
`01:19.34`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: the kernel? The kernel doesn't have any configuration whatsoever.`
`01:19.55`	`Gnea`	`althought i miss the hammerfall RLE`
`01:19.59`	`Gnea`	`-t`
`01:20.01`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro, all i know is my clock was drifting 2+ hours per day before the reinstall and now it's not`
`01:20.07`	`Gnea`	`now that is a soundcard.`
`01:20.08`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro, glx works too`
`01:20.17`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: yes; that's just adjtimex screwing up.`
`01:20.29`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro, and how would a reinstall fix that`
`01:20.37`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: you got rid of your /etc/adjtime`
`01:20.48`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro, i got rid of that and rebooted many times`
`01:20.52`	`Gnea`	`Quinn_Storm: yes, dmix routing actually works where things such as esound, arts, etc fail miserably`
`01:21.07`	`Quinn_Storm`	`Gnea: really? my experience is that dmix is as buggy and crashy as arts/esound/etc.`
`01:21.09`	`Gnea`	`jack daemon is quite nice thought`
`01:21.12`	`Quinn_Storm`	`thats why I love my hardware mixing`
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`01:21.16`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro, i also resetted it to 10000 tick and 0 frequency.. made the drift worse`
`01:21.20`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: I went through this issue with you; and I've had it myself; killing off ntpd; and fixing your /etc/adjtime clears it up just fine.`
`01:21.33`	`Gnea`	`Quinn_Storm: it can be quite daunting`
`01:21.55`	`Quinn_Storm`	`Gnea: thankfully I don't have to worry about it thanks to my nice and well supported emu10k1 card`
`01:22.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`SerajewelKS: in any case, if you find issues, file bugs.`
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`01:22.16`	`Quinn_Storm`	`if only my video was that nice`
`01:22.19`	`Quinn_Storm`	`stupid matrox card`
`01:22.31`	`Gnea`	`Quinn_Storm: i actually do some sound duplexing now and then, it's a sweet option`
`01:22.41`	`Quinn_Storm`	`Gnea: duplexing?`
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`01:23.21`	`litage`	`if you're experiencing high packet loss between you and your internet provider, is there anything you can do while waiting for your ISP to fix the problem?`
`01:23.40`	`Quinn_Storm`	`litage: shop for another ISP`
`01:23.56`	`litage`	`Quinn_Storm: and in the meantime?`
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`01:24.01`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro, i suspect bad kernel modules, because i did everything you told me to and it didn't work. but yeah i did file a bug. they were just as helpful -- not that they could really help much, but i did file.`
`01:24.02`	`Indole`	`litage: reset your modem, replace cables, replace your NIC...`
`01:24.05`	`Gnea`	`Quinn_Storm: indeed. there are times when i want to merge sound sources into one recording - of course, the fedora ccrma patches with jackd can't be compared to in that arena`
`01:24.24`	`SerajewelKS`	`dondelelcaro, i'm also on 2.6.8 now instead of 2.6.11, and i reported the problem shortly after switching to 2.6.11 from 2.6.8`
`01:24.24`	`Quinn_Storm`	`Gnea: ah I see what you mean.`
`01:24.30`	`Quinn_Storm`	`Gnea: I wasn't sure what you meant by duplexing`
`01:25.12`	`Gnea`	`Quinn_Storm: basically taking various streams and manipulating them, hopefully to produce new and clearer sound :)`
`01:25.34`	`Quinn_Storm`	`yeah I haven't gotten around to setting up any sort of audio editing / "professional" system yet`
`01:25.36`	`Holborn`	`Gnea: #lad`
`01:25.37`	`Gnea`	`the only problem is that it's not my main focus`
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`01:25.51`	`Gnea`	`Holborn: what?`
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`01:26.17`	`Holborn`	`Gnea: #lad linux audio developpers ... maybe they can help you`
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`01:26.26`	`Gnea`	`oh cool`
`01:26.30`	`Gnea`	`i'll check it out later`
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`01:26.59`	`woodland`	`abrotman, i just followed all instructions in the nvidia on-liner, but when i rebooted my pc, the screen still flickered`
`01:27.19`	`jordo23`	`Anyone know how to setup the first initial user after installing a mysql server?`
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`01:27.33`	`Zrin`	`abrotman: the exim problem was that usernames with capitals are not processed (recognized) correctly`
`01:27.37`	`protoloco`	`i got a problem with TRIPWIRE , tripwire detects every change in /var/log/ , but i want to dont detect everything, like " /var/log/snort/ and other directories of /jabber, How can i do that ??, to leave them`
`01:27.39`	`abrotman`	`woodland: uhm .. ask #nvidia .. ? i don't own any nvidia stuff`
`01:27.41`	`Quinn_Storm`	`jordo23: "root" should by default have access no-password, last I checked`
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`01:27.44`	`abrotman`	`Zrin: that's just lame :)`
`01:27.46`	`woodland`	`ok`
`01:27.49`	`TermaKill`	`hi`
`01:27.53`	`jordo23`	`hmmm.`
`01:28.09`	`Zrin`	`abrotman: i'd say that is a bug`
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`01:28.28`	`abrotman`	`Zrin: probably not .. ask #exim`
`01:28.40`	`EdLin`	`Zrin: considering that caps in Unix user-names are informarly off-spec, it's not a bug.`
`01:28.42`	`Zrin`	`abrotman: #exim sleeps`
`01:28.53`	`EdLin`	`!they don't know`
`01:28.53`	`dpkg`	`Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.`
`01:28.54`	`Gnea`	`jordo23: there's a proper method for that...`
`01:29.03`	`jordo23`	`Gnea: do tell`
`01:29.09`	`Gnea`	`grave bugs of mysql-server (4.0.24-10 -> 4.1.14-6) <open>`
`01:29.09`	`Gnea`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:29.09`	`SerajewelKS`	`Gnea, the cool thing is i made a copy of my old linux partition... so when i've tweaked something a lot i can just copy the config files back over`
`01:29.19`	`protoloco`	`i got a problem with TRIPWIRE , tripwire detects every change in /var/log/ , but i want to dont detect everything, like " /var/log/snort/ and other directories of /jabber, How can i do that ??, to leave them`
`01:29.25`	`jordo23`	`Gnea: ???`
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`01:29.29`	`TermaKill`	`all you people are stupid`
`01:29.31`	`TermaKill`	`jk`
`01:29.33`	`TermaKill`	`hehe`
`01:29.36`	`Guerin`	`protoloco: rtfm`
`01:29.42`	`Quinn_Storm`	`hmm, I also want to swap out exim locally for a (simple) mail handling system that works online, I used to use a complex system that used a mysql backend for virtual domains and stuff but I personally don't need it it turns out, so what would be a nice simple replacement that allows for smtp, pop3, and maybe imap?`
`01:29.47`	`Gnea`	`SerajewelKS: yeah - i just finally got around to doing that last night to my server - /home is a lost cause as of last week... just been too busy`
`01:29.48`	`protoloco`	`Guerin, wheree`
`01:29.48`	`Zrin`	`EdLin: ok, informally it's not a bug ...`
`01:29.55`	`Guerin`	`!helpfile tripwire`
`01:29.57`	`dpkg`	`For help with tripwire, look in /usr/share/doc/tripwire There may be an examples/ directory there as well.`
`01:30.06`	`Gnea`	`jordo23: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-4.1/README.Debian`
`01:30.55`	`Gnea`	`jordo23: it may be /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-4.1/README.Debian.gz`
`01:31.14`	`EdLin`	`Zrin: Unix(tm) treats names that use caps to be the same as a lower case name except that the name with caps shows that the user can't handle caps, so everything is all caps displayed.`
`01:31.15`	`Atula`	`hello`
`01:31.20`	`TermaKill`	`hi`
`01:31.28`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: unix does .. does exim ?`
`01:31.40`	`EdLin`	`abrotman: I have no idea.`
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`01:31.55`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`yeah working`
`01:32.04`	`SerajewelKS`	`Gnea, it's amazing how much smoother it is...`
`01:32.08`	`sengir37_`	`EdLin: I thought that was only for names in all caps`
`01:32.24`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`how to make livecd from my current distro ?`
`01:32.39`	`SerajewelKS`	`Gnea, with the default alsa setup oss apps play nice with alsa/arts apps`
`01:32.49`	`SerajewelKS`	`which is a BIG plus`
`01:32.50`	`Zrin`	`EdLin: anyway, exim won't accept mail for mixed-case usernames`
`01:33.02`	`Gnea`	`SerajewelKS: mmmm`
`01:33.04`	`EdLin`	`sengir37_: I thought not, but you could be right. I'll have to consult my "The Unix Programming Environment", wait a second.`
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`01:33.15`	`litage`	`Indole: it's a problem with our isp rather than our equipment though, so doing that unfortunately won't help`
`01:33.27`	`SerajewelKS`	`Gnea, at least 'mpg123 -o oss file.mp3' can play simultaneously with amarok using alsasink`
`01:33.28`	`Atula`	`my vsftpd server is serving files to a few people on T1 connection of different universities. The speed varies from 900kb to 30kb.., in some cases... it drop from 250 to 12kb for a person... fluctuating back and forth... it makes me wonder if it's my settings that are causing the inconsistency.... one of my mate on the same LAN would get about 100 max... while I get about 2MB average from him... what's going on?`
`01:33.38`	`Quinn_Storm`	`so anyway`
`01:34.13`	`SerajewelKS`	`Gnea, that reminds me.. where do i put modules to load at startup? i did 'echo fuse >> /etc/modules' but it didn't load at boot`
`01:34.22`	`Gnea`	`SerajewelKS: i'm still addicted to xmms. waiting for eclair to become usable`
`01:34.37`	`Quinn_Storm`	`as far as audio players if anyone is curious, my preference is amaroK`
`01:34.43`	`SerajewelKS`	`Gnea, amarok is damn sexy`
`01:35.03`	`Gnea`	`the only kde app i can stomach is k3b`
`01:35.04`	`EdLin`	`sengir37_: it just says you have to log in with lowers, without specifying what happens when you don't. I recall reading that somewhere, I just don't remember where.`
`01:35.16`	`Gnea`	`and komba2`
`01:35.26`	`SerajewelKS`	`Gnea, my first experience with amarok was something along the lines of "why the #$%& won't mysql work"`
`01:35.26`	`Gnea`	`but komba has limitations`
`01:35.32`	`Quinn_Storm`	`have you tried amaroK 1.3 or better?`
`01:35.33`	`Gnea`	`hahaah`
`01:35.34`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`is there a way to make my current distro into livecd ?`
`01:35.37`	`Quinn_Storm`	`its very nice`
`01:35.38`	`EdLin`	`(lowers for the name of course, mixed case for passwords is recommended)`
`01:35.44`	`SerajewelKS`	`Gnea, after that it was pretty much "wow... oh wow. oh WOW."`
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`01:35.58`	`Gnea`	`HeLpSysTeM: remaster it knoppix-style`
`01:35.59`	`SerajewelKS`	`Gnea, i showed my dad (apple addict) and he was pretty impressed`
`01:36.37`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Gnea: so tehre isn't a apt-get install filename ?`
`01:36.51`	`Gnea`	`!tell HeLpSysTeM about knoppix`
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`01:36.57`	`Atula`	`any clue about my problem?`
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`01:37.35`	`Atula`	`hm..`
`01:37.39`	`Gnea`	`Atula: no, it's called everyone's getting home from school/work and hitting the 'net up`
`01:37.52`	`Gnea`	`plus it's ftp`
`01:37.59`	`Atula`	`?`
`01:38.06`	`Atula`	`ftp isn't stable?`
`01:38.07`	`Gnea`	`ftp is a flawed protocol`
`01:38.10`	`Atula`	`true`
`01:38.25`	`Gnea`	`ooo, amarok has a wizard`
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`01:38.52`	`SerajewelKS`	`Gnea, yeah, btw i got mysql working. somehow old_passwords got disabled in the mysql config.`
`01:39.07`	`Gnea`	`SerajewelKS: cool :)`
`01:39.27`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: no .. that would imply thought was put into it :)`
`01:39.42`	`Gnea`	`abrotman: oh shit..`
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`01:40.12`	`Gnea`	`and it uses mysql`
`01:40.16`	`cj`	`I need to create a pre-up script for tap0; how do I do that?`
`01:40.17`	`Gnea`	`what the hell`
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`01:40.26`	`Gnea`	`cj: vim`
`01:40.27`	`cj`	`Gnea: not a fan of mysql?`
`01:40.39`	`cj`	`Gnea: yes? What file?`
`01:41.03`	`cj`	`what have you used in the past?`
`01:41.12`	`Gnea`	`cj: it can be whatever you want it to be - it's being called from interfaces right?`
`01:41.20`	`Gnea`	`xmms`
`01:41.42`	`cj`	`Gnea: I don't know. How do I call it from interfaces?`
`01:41.44`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Gnea: i have knopix but my question if i wanna make my debian current distro over live cd do i have to go to knopix`
`01:41.53`	`cj`	`ah, man interfaces`
`01:42.30`	`Gnea`	`HeLpSysTeM: i have already answered your question.`
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`01:42.37`	`Gnea`	`lol`
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`01:42.42`	`Guerin`	`not a fucking moment too soon`
`01:42.46`	`Guerin`	`what a tard`
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`01:43.14`	`Gnea`	`the kids must've gotten the best of him`
`01:43.16`	`Gnea`	`oh woop`
`01:43.31`	`SerajewelKS`	`so i guess i learned that going from woody to sarge to etch can cause some problems =)`
`01:43.39`	`omegadark`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:43.46`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`what did u say earlier ??`
`01:43.52`	`SerajewelKS`	`!u`
`01:43.52`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
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`01:44.13`	`Gnea`	`HeLpSysTeM: i said you need to check out knoppix and read up on how to remaster it`
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`01:44.23`	`Gnea`	`HeLpSysTeM: that's how livecd's are made`
`01:44.38`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Gnea: no thanks i'm happy with my system i just want to make it over cd.`
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`01:45.15`	`EdLin`	`!nickometer HeLpSysTeM`
`01:45.15`	`dpkg`	`'HeLpSysTeM' is 99.9578% lame, edlin`
`01:45.18`	`Gnea`	`HeLpSysTeM: you, sir, are a tard. thank you, drive through.`
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`01:45.56`	`Gnea`	`HeLpSysTeM: no seriously, i told you the answer, if you didn't get it the first time, then you'll NEVER get it.`
`01:46.38`	`dijz`	`Ola, alguem usa ed2k-gtk-gui e overnet? eh mais ou menos como o finado Napster, nao to conseguindo baixar um arquivo a partir de um atalho aqui... ed2k://\|file\|chemical%20brothers%20-%2010-The%20golden%20path.avi\|43510224\|1753442A3E5BAFABD633226FDF3B3E59\|/ alguem me ajuda?`
`01:46.43`	`cj`	`SerajewelKS: true :)`
`01:46.51`	`Xenguy`	`!es`
`01:46.51`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`01:47.10`	`Gnea`	`!br`
`01:47.10`	`dpkg`	`Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
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`01:47.48`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`!it`
`01:47.48`	`dpkg`	`per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it`
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`01:48.19`	`BrianAnthony`	`how do I set an environment variable`
`01:48.25`	`EdLin`	`!botabuse`
`01:48.25`	`dpkg`	`lay off me you buggerererers!!11!`
`01:48.31`	`Gnea`	`export SOMETHING=anything`
`01:49.10`	`omegadark`	`http://channels.debian.net/paste/904 scsi problems`
`01:49.22`	`abrotman`	`assuming a sane shell`
`01:49.34`	`sanxiyn`	`Eclipse 3 uploaded to Debian! Hail!`
`01:49.40`	`Gnea`	`omegadark: sucks when that happens`
`01:49.53`	`EdLin`	`abrotman: a sane shell would say "setenv SOMETHING anything" ;-)`
`01:49.58`	`omegadark`	`Gnea: lol whats causing this?`
`01:50.05`	`Gnea`	`omegadark: i have a similar problem - any drive i connect to it eventually just starts dying`
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`01:50.19`	`Gnea`	`omegadark: i dunno, maybe the card needs a firmware upgrade`
`01:50.47`	`omegadark`	`its in a duel xeon machine its a nic / scsi card wwhich is odd`
`01:51.05`	`Gnea`	`have you updated the bios for the motherboard?`
`01:51.12`	`Gnea`	`could just be a bad drive`
`01:51.19`	`dijz`	`eu falo portugues :) obrigado`
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`01:51.22`	`Gnea`	`or maybe they don't like SCAM`
`01:51.22`	`EdLin`	`s/say/be`
`01:51.23`	`sanxiyn`	`http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-java-maintainers/2005-October/005569.html`
`01:51.43`	`omegadark`	`the drives work windows 2000 on it, so i delete it :)`
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`01:51.56`	`Gnea`	`!beer omegadark`
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`01:52.31`	`omegadark`	`the mobo loads the scsi drive also finds them and sets them up them boots`
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`01:52.35`	`Tortel`	`!moo`
`01:52.35`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
`01:53.11`	`LinuxHungry`	`hey guys i'm a newbie running linux(debian sarge) and I need a little help compileing a screen saver for kde would you mind helping? i'll post the error message`
`01:53.14`	`syntaxx`	`PHI-2 TOR-2`
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`01:53.22`	`Xenguy`	`Xyc0: /me apt-gets cowsay...`
`01:53.27`	`Quinn_Storm`	`so anyway, back to that last question I had...does anyone know a good method for getting a debian system's mail subsystem on the internet? I just need relatively simple real-users mail with smtp pop3 and maybe imap access`
`01:53.29`	`Xenguy`	`gah`
`01:53.53`	`sanxiyn`	`LinuxHungry: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ please.`
`01:54.28`	`Gnea`	`you know what, i'm behind on sleep, i'm gonna finish setting this media app up then crash`
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`01:55.59`	`nephlim`	`i just added a user, and when i try to log in as that user i get "no shell" and it returns me to the user i'm at now`
`01:56.28`	`EinNine`	`Quinn_Storm: I must've missed the start of your conv. what're you trying to do, set up a mail server, or just a box that you can check your mail from?`
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`01:56.37`	`nephlim`	`what's that all about?`
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`01:56.48`	`abrotman`	`EdLin: heh`
`01:57.01`	`woodland`	`the log files in /var/log tend to be very big. is it ok to delete them`
`01:57.01`	`Quinn_Storm`	`EinNine: mail server, I used to have a much more complex mail server solution but after my last hardware failure I've decided I don't need the mysql backend / virtual domains / etc.`
`01:57.26`	`EinNine`	`ah, nice and complicated :+)`
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`01:58.20`	`EinNine`	`i need to catch up to the conv, so sorry if i go over something already mentioned... have you tried just running the default exim setup prog?`
`01:58.30`	`Xenguy`	`woodland: 'logrotate' is your friend`
`01:58.53`	`woodland`	`xenguy what do you mean`
`01:58.57`	`Quinn_Storm`	`EinNine: I haven't tried anything yet, I just want to know what the best/simplest SMTP/POP3/maybe IMAP system would be for just simple deliver-to-real-users & /etc/aliases type mail would be`
`01:59.12`	`Xenguy`	`woodland: try -> apt-get install logrotate`
`01:59.20`	`abrotman`	`it's already installed`
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`01:59.44`	`woodland`	`abrotman, is it ok to delete these big log files`
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`01:59.58`	`abrotman`	`i have no idea which log files they are`
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`02:00.15`	`woodland`	`ok`
`02:00.21`	`hellboy`	`hello`
`02:00.25`	`sengir37_`	`Quinn_Storm: I use exim/popa3d/uw-imapd It's been working fairly well for me`
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`02:01.15`	`EinNine`	`Quinn_Storm: i agree with sengir37_. Exim and uw-imapd are easy to setup. can't say for pop3, as i've never had the need.`
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`02:01.40`	`abrotman`	`postfix/courier!`
`02:01.46`	`sengir37_`	`guh`
`02:02.00`	`Quinn_Storm`	`I used to use postfix/courier and it is more than I need`
`02:02.07`	`Quinn_Storm`	`I'll try out popa3d and uw-imapd`
`02:02.09`	`EinNine`	`oh, yeah, postfix is _so_easy_ (sarcasm intended)`
`02:02.15`	`abrotman`	`i think it is`
`02:02.24`	`Quinn_Storm`	`it wasn't terrible but its overkill here`
`02:02.27`	`abrotman`	`it was far easier than qmail`
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`02:02.37`	`EinNine`	`true`
`02:02.46`	`abrotman`	`and well .. easier than sendmai`
`02:02.48`	`abrotman`	`sendmail`
`02:02.49`	`m`	`list`
`02:02.52`	`Quinn_Storm`	`I'll need to dpkg-reconfigure my exim right?`
`02:02.55`	`abrotman`	`and more powerful than exim IMO`
`02:03.05`	`LinuxHungry`	`sanxiyn I posted it to the listed http address states that it is number 905`
`02:03.05`	`EinNine`	`Quinn_Storm: yeah, that'd be a good start`
`02:03.33`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: as I mentioned I don't need crazy amounts of power`
`02:03.40`	`Quinn_Storm`	`just ask tim allen`
`02:03.43`	`Quinn_Storm`	`more power isn't always the answer`
`02:03.48`	`Quinn_Storm`	`unless you like the emergency room`
`02:03.57`	`abrotman`	`i do`
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`02:04.46`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: i've been using postfix for a while .. so i think it's pretty easy`
`02:05.18`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: well I just don't want to go through the mess of setting it up yet again, it'd be the third time`
`02:05.25`	`Quinn_Storm`	`if there's a simple debconf-friendly system to set up I'd rather that`
`02:05.29`	`abrotman`	`fourth time's a charm`
`02:05.32`	`Quinn_Storm`	`lol`
`02:05.33`	`abrotman`	`wait .. that's not how it goes`
`02:05.43`	`Quinn_Storm`	`its not that I got it wrong its that I had to do reinstalls / had hardware faults`
`02:05.50`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`can i use my mouse within console ?`
`02:06.37`	`abrotman`	`ye`
`02:06.37`	`EinNine`	`postfix is nice and flexible. i use it myself. but for a simple setup... seemingly not the best choice.`
`02:06.40`	`abrotman`	`!gpm`
`02:06.40`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master`
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`02:06.56`	`abrotman`	`EinNine: it is simple .. :)`
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`02:07.33`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`abrotman: i get mdetect what else i need ?`
`02:08.10`	`ifup`	`hello is there a way to bring up an interface in the /etc/network/interfaces file but not assign it an ip or use dhcp ?`
`02:08.15`	`sanxiyn`	`LinuxHungry: Please set QTDIR first then.`
`02:08.43`	`abrotman`	`i thnk it tells you`
`02:09.02`	`abrotman`	`ifup: bring up but no IP?`
`02:09.02`	`LinuxHungry`	`how do I set the QTDIR`
`02:09.13`	`abrotman`	`ifup: just put auto <dev> in the file ?`
`02:09.19`	`Quinn_Storm`	`I also want to have smtp-auth support...does exim have that?`
`02:09.24`	`abrotman`	`LinuxHungry: for what?`
`02:09.37`	`EinNine`	`ifup: ifconfig eth# up`
`02:09.38`	`ifup`	`I was wanting to use it for layer 2`
`02:09.42`	`LinuxHungry`	`TRYING TO COMPILE A SCRRENSAVER`
`02:09.48`	`abrotman`	`WHY?`
`02:09.52`	`LinuxHungry`	`sorry caps was on`
`02:09.55`	`Quinn_Storm`	`hmm it appears to have`
`02:10.00`	`abrotman`	`THAT'S TOO MUCH WORK FOR SOMETHING SO SILLY :)`
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`02:10.15`	`LinuxHungry`	`(grin)`
`02:10.26`	`LinuxHungry`	`yes but it looks cool`
`02:10.27`	`ifup`	`the interface is wlan1 using linux-wlan-ng, I will just try the auto wlan1, Thanks.`
`02:11.24`	`liable`	`Quinn_Storm: /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/smtp-auth`
`02:11.28`	`sanxiyn`	`LinuxHungry: First, do you have Qt headers installed?`
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`02:12.01`	`sanxiyn`	`LinuxHungry: Also, read the error message. It can help a lot.`
`02:12.05`	`abrotman`	`bob2 doesn't like us anymore`
`02:12.17`	`gravity`	`He's busy crunching for release`
`02:12.19`	`LinuxHungry`	`sanxiyn not sure I did install the qt libriaries though`
`02:12.40`	`abrotman`	`release of what?`
`02:12.45`	`gravity`	`Ubuntu`
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`02:12.58`	`abrotman`	`how the fuck can anyone charge 800$ for a plane ticket@!`
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`02:13.08`	`Quinn_Storm`	`liable: its already set up I think but let me check`
`02:13.36`	`Quinn_Storm`	`liable: actually that file does not exist here`
`02:13.37`	`LinuxHungry`	`abrotman take a look http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29207`
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`02:14.22`	`ice_1963`	`you most live in the usa lol`
`02:14.22`	`protoloco`	`how do i openm a file.gz ?`
`02:14.42`	`mfrisch`	`gunzip`
`02:14.48`	`EinNine`	`protoloco: gunzip`
`02:14.55`	`sanxiyn`	`LinuxHungry: Just remember this. Debian QTDIR is /usr/share/qt3.`
`02:14.55`	`sanxiyn`	`Usually, that's all you need to know to compile something Qt/KDE-ish on Debian.`
`02:14.56`	`sanxiyn`	`export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3`
`02:14.58`	`LinuxHungry`	`sanxiyn I did install scons but it didn't help`
`02:15.10`	`abrotman`	`if it's for KDE .. certainly not worth it :)`
`02:15.10`	`woodland`	`is it easy to install mplayer`
`02:15.21`	`Quinn_Storm`	`ok, popa3d doesn't appear to support anything but simple password auth, and uw-imapd doesn't seem to play nice at all with evolution, won't let me log in`
`02:15.22`	`abrotman`	`!tell woodland about marillat`
`02:15.33`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: postfix/courier!`
`02:15.44`	`abrotman`	`i'm an evil bastard`
`02:15.49`	`mfrisch`	`Quinn_Storm got dovecot to work today.`
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`02:15.53`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: does it have a simple debconf setup? if so I'll use it`
`02:15.58`	`abrotman`	`try it ..`
`02:16.32`	`abrotman`	`worst thing that happens .. you remove it in 5 minutes`
`02:16.52`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: one slight thing that oyu may have to edit`
`02:17.02`	`Quinn_Storm`	`what's wrong with just using courier-mta?`
`02:17.07`	`Quinn_Storm`	`instead of postfux`
`02:17.21`	`abrotman`	`http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#maildir`
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`02:17.38`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: i know zip about courier-mta ...`
`02:17.44`	`Quinn_Storm`	`wrong keyboard shortcut o_O`
`02:17.44`	`abrotman`	`http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#maildir Quinn_Storm`
`02:17.52`	`Quinn_Storm`	`ah, I'll try it first`
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`02:17.56`	`Quinn_Storm`	`and ok`
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`02:18.01`	`Quinn_Storm`	`I like maildir better than mbox anyway`
`02:18.01`	`LinuxHungry`	`sanxiyn thanks i'll give it a go`
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`02:18.56`	`mfrisch`	`Quinn_Storm got dovecot to work today. imaps.`
`02:19.06`	`Quinn_Storm`	`mfrisch: ok, I'll look at that later if courier sucks`
`02:19.16`	`Quinn_Storm`	`hmm need to remember to remove exim too while I'm at this`
`02:19.22`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: apparently one drawback to courier is folders ..`
`02:19.26`	`abrotman`	`i think`
`02:19.27`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: folders?`
`02:19.31`	`abrotman`	`i've never had a problem with them`
`02:19.35`	`abrotman`	`but .. i've been told`
`02:19.44`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: you know .. imap folders etc`
`02:20.24`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: ah, well I'd just use imap for remote storage myself but if I run into a problem I'll look at it`
`02:20.31`	`Quinn_Storm`	`remote storage in the gmail/webmail sense`
`02:20.37`	`abrotman`	`ah ok`
`02:20.43`	`Quinn_Storm`	`i.e. "damn it I downloaded that mail at my friend's house!"`
`02:21.15`	`Quinn_Storm`	`hmm if I am using a pure courier solution I should get courier's webadmin (no not webmin!) package`
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`02:21.27`	`abrotman`	`yes .. but who cares? :)`
`02:21.32`	`Quinn_Storm`	`lol`
`02:21.43`	`LinuxHungry`	`well it went a little further...`
`02:22.08`	`LinuxHungry`	`now it says the kde includes cant be found`
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`02:22.32`	`Jacobo221`	`has someone been able to run kexec succesully (on x86)? i do kexec -l /boot/K2.6.13.3 --append="$(cat /proc/cmdline)" && kexec -e but the kernel just locks up and never reboots`
`02:22.32`	`LinuxHungry`	`lot of trouble for a 100k screen saver`
`02:22.49`	`abrotman`	`then dont' do it`
`02:22.59`	`BrianAnthony`	`doe anyone here use tomcat`
`02:23.03`	`BrianAnthony`	`does, anyone`
`02:23.11`	`abrotman`	`some people .. just ask`
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`02:23.25`	`abrotman`	`be aware #tomcat also exists`
`02:23.47`	`BrianAnthony`	`abrotman: no luck in there`
`02:23.51`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`02:23.53`	`liable`	`whats the factoid for greycats mail howto?`
`02:23.59`	`abrotman`	`!smtp`
`02:23.59`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that smtp is simple mail transport protocol. rfc2821, or port 25`
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`02:24.02`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`how to add source manually i know in source.list`
`02:24.03`	`abrotman`	`!smtp test`
`02:24.03`	`dpkg`	`"telnet myserver 25", "HELO world", "MAIL FROM:<evil@spammer.org>", "RCPT TO:<a@fake.address>", "DATA", "Subject: spam test", "", ".", "QUIT"`
`02:24.05`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`but how`
`02:24.05`	`abrotman`	`that one ?`
`02:24.09`	`abrotman`	`HeLpSysTeM: vi`
`02:24.13`	`liable`	`nup`
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`02:24.25`	`abrotman`	`liable: /msg dpkg listvals wooledge ?`
`02:24.40`	`abrotman`	`!mail tutorial`
`02:24.40`	`dpkg`	`[mail tutorial] at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html`
`02:24.43`	`abrotman`	`that one ?`
`02:24.47`	`Quinn_Storm`	this doesn't sound good - Cannot get LIST information for pattern `*' on IMAP server metascape.afraid.org: Unknown.
`02:24.49`	`liable`	`abrotman: that'll probably do it, thanks.`
`02:24.49`	`BrianAnthony`	`I downloaded the debian packages for tomcat and mod_jk from apt, and nothing is peiced togethor right. I've been reading guides all night on how to get it going and it seems that all their packages installed differently than mine`
`02:24.57`	`liable`	`thats it.`
`02:24.59`	`liable`	`:)`
`02:25.07`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`abrotman: i mean the order like mirrors.kernel.org/debian stable main`
`02:25.09`	`abrotman`	`BrianAnthony: i thought mod_jk was deprecated ?`
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`02:25.18`	`abrotman`	`HeLpSysTeM: apt-setup ?`
`02:25.18`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`abrotman: i mean the order like deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian stable main`
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`02:25.33`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`abrotman: i know how to get to there but how to add a list`
`02:25.36`	`BrianAnthony`	`I'm using testing.`
`02:25.39`	`BrianAnthony`	`which is what the guide is on`
`02:25.48`	`abrotman`	`testing from when?`
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`02:26.13`	`nvz`	`well one of my headphones is repaired :) I almost blew myself up not realizing I had a lighter on my desk while I was soldering :P`
`02:26.17`	`BrianAnthony`	`I got mod_jk from the testing repositories`
`02:26.27`	`abrotman`	`nvz: whwat's the problem ?`
`02:26.40`	`abrotman`	`BrianAnthony: like i said .. i thought mod_jk was deprecated`
`02:26.44`	`Quinn_Storm`	`maybe its evolution's fault...`
`02:26.46`	`abrotman`	`BrianAnthony: you used the tomcat4 package ?`
`02:26.48`	`nvz`	`umm conainters of compressed butane dont like soldering irons`
`02:27.20`	`abrotman`	`BrianAnthony: sorry .. you're right`
`02:27.39`	`woodland`	`what is the latest verson of apt`
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`02:27.54`	`abrotman`	`BrianAnthony: whne i set i tup .. i had better luck just moving my stuff in the "test" dir`
`02:27.57`	`abrotman`	`woodland: the one you're using`
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`02:28.09`	`woodland`	`abrotman ok`
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`02:29.10`	`Quinn_Storm`	`argh imap seems to suck`
`02:29.17`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`02:29.20`	`Quinn_Storm`	`I installed courier-imap`
`02:29.25`	`Quinn_Storm`	`and nothing can communicate with it right`
`02:29.27`	`woodland`	`is there any command to find files in the pc`
`02:29.33`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: you are shutting down evolution between tests .. right ?`
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`02:29.48`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: I even switched to sylpheed`
`02:29.54`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: but let me try evolution once more`
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`02:30.15`	`BrianAnthony`	`abrotman: the test directory`
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`02:30.20`	`ivanneto`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:30.20`	`abrotman`	`BrianAnthony: ?`
`02:30.22`	`Quinn_Storm`	`yeah evolution keeps just getting "authentication failed"`
`02:30.23`	`DJ-KING`	`any KDE users in here ?`
`02:30.31`	`BrianAnthony`	`abrotman: I meant to put a ? after that`
`02:30.31`	`abrotman`	`BrianAnthony: /var/lib/tomcat/ROOT/ or whatever it is`
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`02:30.47`	`Quinn_Storm`	`using both imap and imap4v1`
`02:30.51`	`abrotman`	`BrianAnthony: i'm not tomcat-compatible .. but i set it up on sarge at work :)`
`02:30.59`	`abrotman`	`DJ-KING: just ask`
`02:31.48`	`Quinn_Storm`	`agh and now b/c of #*&#$% ion3, the toolbar got detached from the ion window and won't reattatch`
`02:31.54`	`DJ-KING`	`abrotman: i am trying to install KDE on my Debian GNU/Linix box , i was wandering if apt can do that`
`02:31.55`	`Quinn_Storm`	`err`
`02:31.56`	`Quinn_Storm`	`evolution window`
`02:32.10`	`abrotman`	`!install kde`
`02:32.11`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less.`
`02:32.14`	`woodland`	`is there any command to find files in the pc`
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`02:32.37`	`abrotman`	`woodland: locate/find`
`02:32.43`	`woodland`	`ok`
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`02:33.18`	`nephlim`	`hey, / should be 755 right?`
`02:33.28`	`Quinn_Storm`	`ah ok I figured it out`
`02:33.31`	`Quinn_Storm`	`my Maildir wasn't being made properly`
`02:33.42`	`abrotman`	`oh . yeah .. that's important :)`
`02:33.55`	`woodland`	`i want to keep only minimal gnome , should i remove apps manually`
`02:34.00`	`abrotman`	`!install gnome`
`02:34.00`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, install gnome is to install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x>`
`02:34.10`	`abrotman`	`woodland: you can try`
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`02:35.02`	`abrotman`	`!cookie`
`02:35.29`	`nephlim`	`the root drive's permission should be 755 right?`
`02:35.34`	`abrotman`	`you sohuldn't change them`
`02:35.39`	`woodland`	`abrotman xeyes is there on my system but when i use apt-get to remove it, it says xeyes not found`
`02:35.52`	`Quinn_Storm`	`ok...I -thought- I got my procmailrc set up properly...it aims at $HOME/Maildir/ but...its treating it like an mbox file instead`
`02:36.01`	`abrotman`	`!find bin/xeyes sarge`
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`02:36.21`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'bin/xeyes' (1): (/usr/X11R6/bin/xeyes) in x11/xbase-clients.`
`02:36.23`	`Quinn_Storm`	`wtf is wrong now...why can't procmail treat it like a maildir instead of mbox?`
`02:36.29`	`abrotman`	`woodland: and you can't remove that package`
`02:36.32`	`gravity`	`yay xeyes!`
`02:36.39`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: you're on your own there .. i don't use procmail`
`02:36.48`	`abrotman`	`yay xgravity!`
`02:36.51`	`gravity`	`heh`
`02:36.52`	`woodland`	`abrotman why? i dont like it and its of no use`
`02:36.53`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: if I just apt-get remove it should things work?`
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`02:37.06`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: or just not .. use it ?`
`02:37.13`	`abrotman`	`woodland: you NEED xbase-clients`
`02:37.15`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: it appears to have linked itself into the system`
`02:37.21`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: ok`
`02:37.23`	`Quinn_Storm`	`however apt-get --purge remove might work`
`02:37.36`	`woodland`	`quinn i tried that man`
`02:37.43`	`Guerin`	`no`
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`02:37.57`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`02:38.01`	`Guerin`	`xeyes is not a package, it's a binary provided by the default x clients package`
`02:38.09`	`Guerin`	`you need xbase clients`
`02:38.13`	`Quinn_Storm`	`ok now its STILL dumping shit into a file in $HOME called Maildir even with NO /etc/procmailrc`
`02:38.14`	`abrotman`	`Guerin: we covered that`
`02:38.16`	`LinuxHungry`	`It's compiled!`
`02:38.19`	`Quinn_Storm`	`and with procmail removed`
`02:38.25`	`abrotman`	`Quinn_Storm: you did the maildirmake thing .. right ?`
`02:38.25`	`woodland`	`abrotman so, i am being dumped by this useless xeyes, right ?unnecessary waste of space`
`02:38.33`	`abrotman`	`woodland: file a bug`
`02:38.34`	`Guerin`	`if you don't want xeyes, you get to rebuild xbase-clients without it`
`02:38.37`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: I'll try that again`
`02:38.40`	`LinuxHungry`	`yes yes yes`
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`02:38.50`	`gravity`	`Hahahahahahaha`
`02:38.58`	`xixor`	`ha ha`
`02:38.59`	`LinuxHungry`	`had to install kde-devel`
`02:39.02`	`gravity`	`You're going to rebuild all of Xorg just to get rid of fucking XEYES?`
`02:39.03`	`Quinn_Storm`	`ok now it finally seems to work`
`02:39.05`	`abrotman`	`hahahah`
`02:39.10`	`holysmoke`	`is anyone here on mepis?`
`02:39.14`	`abrotman`	`gravity: no .. you are :)`
`02:39.17`	`gravity`	`holysmoke: #mepis`
`02:39.18`	`abrotman`	`!mepis`
`02:39.18`	`dpkg`	`MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. /join #mepis`
`02:39.27`	`LinuxHungry`	`had been on mepis tring to get off`
`02:39.27`	`Guerin`	`woodland: yeah. 11k of wasted space. Cry me a fucking river.`
`02:39.35`	`mfrisch`	`is that some new drug>?`
`02:39.38`	`woodland`	`guerin how do i rebuild that`
`02:39.44`	`abrotman`	`mfrisch: xeyes or mepis ?`
`02:39.50`	`abrotman`	`woodland: you DON'T`
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`02:39.52`	`mfrisch`	`mephis`
`02:39.57`	`abrotman`	`mfrisch: no h`
`02:40.00`	`woodland`	`fucking xeyes`
`02:40.04`	`abrotman`	`woodland: just leave it`
`02:40.05`	`gravity`	`woodland: You can rebuild all of X, but it'll take you hours`
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`02:40.12`	`Guerin`	`woodland: if you want to rebuild x to remove xeyes, you're the biggest moron this channel has seen today`
`02:40.15`	`abrotman`	$ ls -l `which xeyes`
`02:40.16`	`abrotman`	`-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11552 2005-09-08 02:53 /usr/bin/X11/xeyes`
`02:40.17`	`gravity`	`woodland: And you'll just have to do it again tomorrow when I upload another version`
`02:40.17`	`sanxiyn`	`gravity: Until ...`
`02:40.17`	`Guerin`	`and that's saying quite a lot`
`02:40.18`	`abrotman`	`it's fucking 11k`
`02:40.32`	`abrotman`	`11`
`02:40.36`	`abrotman`	`not like 1010`
`02:40.39`	`abrotman`	`not 1100`
`02:40.44`	`abrotman`	`11,000 bytes`
`02:40.52`	`abrotman`	`i mean .. that's like .. 88000 bits`
`02:40.52`	`woodland`	`ok`
`02:40.56`	`Quinn_Storm`	`ok now it finally works`
`02:41.02`	`abrotman`	`that's like .. smaller than a 5.25 floppy`
`02:41.03`	`CompWizrd`	`that's a small animated porn gif though!`
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`02:41.09`	`jair`	`abrotman, I got the grub change it to boot default the windows os :)`
`02:41.12`	`gravity`	`woodland: Maybe you should build X, just for the learning experience`
`02:41.15`	`abrotman`	`jair: ok`
`02:41.16`	`woodland`	`abrotman how do you find the size of xeyes`
`02:41.24`	`gravity`	`woodland: It'll give you an appreciation for such things`
`02:41.25`	`abrotman`	`woodland: it says .. right there`
`02:41.29`	`abrotman`	`-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11552 2005-09-08 02:53 /usr/bin/X11/xeyes`
`02:41.32`	`abrotman`	`bah`
`02:41.39`	`woodland`	`ok`
`02:41.39`	`abrotman`	`i killed it`
`02:41.41`	`sanxiyn`	`Graungaard: Heh.`
`02:41.44`	`abrotman`	ls -l `which xeyes`
`02:41.45`	`Xenguy_`	`wow`
`02:41.46`	`sanxiyn`	`Oops, was to gravity.`
`02:41.52`	`abrotman`	`Xenguy_: i knwo .. a whole 11k!!!!`
`02:42.02`	`gravity`	du -h `which xeyes`
`02:42.10`	`mfrisch`	`who cares about xeyes that much`
`02:42.11`	`abrotman`	`cheater!`
`02:42.16`	`abrotman`	`mfrisch: woodland does`
`02:42.19`	`gravity`	`du++`
`02:42.23`	`CompWizrd`	`i think the #debian log on my hard drive is 11k bigger because of this chat about xeyes...`
`02:42.29`	`gravity`	`CompWizrd: :-D`
`02:42.35`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`02:42.39`	`Quinn_Storm`	`ok, back to looking for a good mail client, probably gonna have to use evolution`
`02:42.40`	`gravity`	`xeyes is like my favorite program to maintain`
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`02:42.57`	`abrotman`	`gravity: now we know why the rest of Xorg sucks ...`
`02:42.57`	`mfrisch`	`abrotman thats rocket science...next will move him up to xfishtank aaaaahhhh`
`02:42.57`	`woodland`	`what does 'which xeyes' mean`
`02:43.11`	`sanxiyn`	`gravity the xeyes maintainer. :-)`
`02:43.13`	`gravity`	`woodland: run it`
`02:43.13`	`abrotman`	woodland: `` .. not ''
`02:43.15`	`jair`	`abrotman, all i needed to do is change the "default line "0"" to 3 because that was the third boot option in the menu.lst :)`
`02:43.17`	`Guerin`	`woodland: man which`
`02:43.23`	`woodland`	`ok`
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`02:43.56`	`Guerin`	`woodland: you should concern yourself with learning the fundamentals of the OS that way stmarter people than you designed, rather than picking up on the stupidest things you can think of`
`02:44.09`	`abrotman`	`!fundamentals`
`02:44.09`	`dpkg`	`You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue".`
`02:44.21`	`mfrisch`	`;-)`
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`02:44.35`	`mfrisch`	`thats new..`
`02:44.39`	`abrotman`	`no it'snot`
`02:44.42`	`abrotman`	`!refcard`
`02:44.42`	`dpkg`	`refcard is, like, http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/`
`02:44.43`	`dondelelcaro`	`!factinfo fundamentals`
`02:44.43`	`dpkg`	`fundamentals -- created by Guerin <~magpie@220.123.169.71> at Wed May 19 04:38:57 2004 (510 days); it has been requested 262 times, last by abrotman, 34s ago.`
`02:44.45`	`abrotman`	`there's another somewhere`
`02:44.49`	`sanxiyn`	`Hail refcard!`
`02:44.50`	`Tortel`	`!moo`
`02:44.50`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
`02:44.58`	`mfrisch`	`to me.`
`02:45.05`	`omegadark`	`are xeons 686?`
`02:45.07`	`abrotman`	`you're new to dpkg :)`
`02:45.14`	`abrotman`	`omegadark: should be`
`02:45.18`	`Quinn_Storm`	`argh now I have a phantom "folder" in my inbox called trash that isn't the real trash folder and doesn't really exist`
`02:45.19`	`dondelelcaro`	`omegadark: they're > 686.`
`02:45.24`	`jair`	`abrotman, "If you want to change this to default to your Windows installation on the /boot/grub/menu.lst you will have to change "default 0" to ->3 :) enjoy.`
`02:45.28`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: not all of them`
`02:45.35`	`woodland`	`is command 'locate' better than 'find' because i can find 'sources.list' by typing locate sources.list but i cant find the same file with find sources.list`
`02:45.36`	`omegadark`	`thank you :)`
`02:45.37`	`jair`	`abrotman, we could add to dualboot`
`02:45.40`	`abrotman`	`yay`
`02:45.40`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: I've yet to see a P2 xeon`
`02:45.50`	`Guerin`	`woodland: they're different like a phone book and google`
`02:45.57`	`sanxiyn`	`Does > mean greater or equal to?`
`02:46.01`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: i'm pretty sure they exist .. and iirc .. PIII is also 686`
`02:46.01`	`jair`	`abrotman, dual boot debian gnu windows xp professional`
`02:46.03`	`gravity`	`sanxiyn: greater`
`02:46.10`	`sanxiyn`	`gravity: Not to dpkg. :-)`
`02:46.10`	`abrotman`	`jair: ok`
`02:46.12`	`woodland`	`lol`
`02:46.18`	`abrotman`	`jair: are you asking me or telling me ?`
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`02:46.27`	`Guerin`	`woodland: you'd be able to find sources.list with find if you knew how to use it`
`02:46.28`	`woodland`	`guerin whats the difference`
`02:46.29`	`sanxiyn`	`gravity: "greater" is spelled >> lol.`
`02:46.31`	`jair`	`abrotman, I am telling you because I already did it`
`02:46.33`	`gravity`	`heh`
`02:46.34`	`jair`	`:0`
`02:46.35`	`woodland`	`ok`
`02:46.35`	`Guerin`	`woodland: man find; man locate`
`02:46.38`	`woodland`	`ok`
`02:46.39`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: http://www.pcsurplusonline.com/viewprod.cfm?id=6634`
`02:46.39`	`jair`	`abrotman, :)`
`02:46.40`	`gravity`	`I always just use >= anyway`
`02:47.01`	`CompWizrd`	`i wonder if i should file a bug on gaim, not able to block the AOL System something something that tells you you're logged in twice`
`02:47.03`	`Guerin`	`woodland: are you getting the hint yet? Don't ask why. Find out why.`
`02:47.11`	`woodland`	`ok`
`02:47.22`	`mfrisch`	`Will someone tell me if incin.ath.cx resolves?`
`02:47.39`	`sanxiyn`	`mfrisch: Resolves to 65.27.184.153.`
`02:47.40`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: now you know .. and knowing is half the battle!`
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`02:47.45`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: in any case, 686==pentium pro`
`02:47.55`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: i have some of those at work :)`
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`02:48.02`	`abrotman`	`ppro 200`
`02:48.16`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: everything later has a slightly different architecture even though some people may refer to them as "686" for some reason.`
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`02:48.19`	`mfrisch`	`sanxiyn REALLY does it open the web folders?`
`02:48.22`	`abrotman`	`such a lovely machine .. it's like .. the size of a kegerator`
`02:48.31`	`omegadark`	`theses are 550 xeons`
`02:48.32`	`CompWizrd`	`friend of mine had a quad ppro200`
`02:48.33`	`sanxiyn`	`mfrisch: Eh... I resolved using "host".`
`02:48.37`	`CompWizrd`	`with 2 700watt power supplies`
`02:48.37`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: LCD .. 686 code works on all of them`
`02:48.40`	`sanxiyn`	`mfrisch: You don't mean whether DNS is alive?`
`02:48.50`	`fishhead`	`donlel`
`02:48.52`	`CompWizrd`	`heated his apartment quite nicely, which is why he finally got rid of it`
`02:48.53`	`abrotman`	`CompWizrd: sounds like mine`
`02:48.56`	`fishhead`	`pII, p3 still based on ppro`
`02:48.57`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: yes, but the reverse isn't true.`
`02:48.59`	`Guerin`	`grr, what does invalid port command mean`
`02:49.01`	`mfrisch`	`sanxiyn either or THANKS`
`02:49.03`	`Guerin`	`stupid ftp`
`02:49.12`	`dondelelcaro`	`(or isn't necessarily true0`
`02:49.14`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: right .. so if you compile for 686 .. it should run on PPro up to P4-M`
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`02:49.28`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: sure; same thing as compiling for i386/486...`
`02:49.30`	`fishhead`	`PII = ppro with seperate l2 cache, new bus, mmx and better 16 bit support, ppro was crap on 16 bit which sucks anyways`
`02:49.35`	`fishhead`	`oh btw folks`
`02:49.40`	`Goetmet`	`when will i have gnome 2.12 on debian sid`
`02:49.45`	`Tortel`	`hmm, why cant i acess my windows partition after adding this line to /etc/fstab?`
`02:49.45`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: but much worse optimization as far as gcc is concerned iirc ..`
`02:49.46`	`Tortel`	`/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs rw,user,noauto 0 0`
`02:49.52`	`fishhead`	`DO NOT COMPILE FOR PENTIUM CLASSIC OR PENTIUM MMX ON ANYTHING BUT INTEL BRAND PENTIUM CLASSIC OR MMX`
`02:49.56`	`abrotman`	`(that said .. i don't recompile jack on my machine ) P)`
`02:49.57`	`abrotman`	`:)`
`02:50.00`	`fishhead`	`it's braindead and will slow down any other cpu`
`02:50.09`	`Xenguy`	`bye`
`02:50.13`	`Tortel`	`cyas`
`02:50.15`	`dondelelcaro`	`fishhead: this isn't #gentoo... we know that.`
`02:50.22`	`fishhead`	`don HAHAHAHAH :)`
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`02:50.36`	`sanxiyn`	`fishhead: We know 586 is different.`
`02:50.36`	`CompWizrd`	`i need to get not-lazy enough to figure out why stock 2.4.31 kernels won't compile under sid, assembler errors`
`02:50.42`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`sorry got dc`
`02:50.52`	`Guerin`	`CompWizrd: gcc4?>`
`02:50.53`	`fishhead`	`I know ubuntu is only loosly based on debian`
`02:51.02`	`fishhead`	`but should I recompile the whole lot for k6-2 class`
`02:51.04`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: really depends on the code...`
`02:51.07`	`CompWizrd`	`Guerin: already symlink'd it over to use 3.3/3.4`
`02:51.08`	`sanxiyn`	`fishhead: Eh?`
`02:51.10`	`abrotman`	`fishhead: ask #ubuntu`
`02:51.11`	`Xenguy`	`CompWizrd: I get similar results IIRC`
`02:51.15`	`fishhead`	`I can't`
`02:51.15`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: and exactly which gcc we're talking about.`
`02:51.18`	`CompWizrd`	`and tried telling it to use gcc-3.3`
`02:51.19`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: obviously ..`
`02:51.20`	`fishhead`	`asshole couldn't take a joke`
`02:51.22`	`CompWizrd`	`in the makefile`
`02:51.23`	`sanxiyn`	`fishhead: Ubuntu is largely based on Debian.`
`02:51.29`	`fishhead`	`sanxiyn ah`
`02:51.32`	`abrotman`	`fishhead: what asshole ?`
`02:51.35`	`CompWizrd`	`i gave up and upgraded the machine i was working on to 2.6.13 :)`
`02:51.36`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`!dpkg`
`02:51.36`	`mfrisch`	`fishhead and 'doz is losely based on dos?!?`
`02:51.36`	`dpkg`	`methinks dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack, or a smart infobot, or voltagex's friend`
`02:51.39`	`fishhead`	`I never liked debian, still don't sorry but ubuntu looks good`
`02:51.40`	`dondelelcaro`	`in any case, Ubuntu is OT here.`
`02:51.52`	`abrotman`	`fishhead: what asshole ?`
`02:51.56`	`fishhead`	`abrotman I don't remeber all i did was come in the channel and make a mild canuck joke`
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`02:52.00`	`Tortel`	`seriously, why can only root acess this, what am i missing`
`02:52.01`	`fishhead`	`and he flipped out and banned me without a word`
`02:52.01`	`Tortel`	`/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs rw,user,noauto 0 0`
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`02:52.05`	`abrotman`	`fishhead: did you get banned from #ubuntu ?`
`02:52.09`	`fishhead`	`yes`
`02:52.12`	`Tortel`	`lolz`
`02:52.14`	`mfrisch`	`reallyt`
`02:52.15`	`abrotman`	`so you come pester us ?`
`02:52.16`	`mfrisch`	`really`
`02:52.19`	`fishhead`	`no`
`02:52.21`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`i did man dpkg < and i didn't see any thing about reconfigure > and idea`
`02:52.21`	`abrotman`	`fishhead: yes`
`02:52.21`	`roby`	`On boot, Debian loads X windows, where is the runlevel setting found to just have console at boot?`
`02:52.22`	`dondelelcaro`	`Tortel: because it's ntfs and you don't have uid/gid set. man mount.`
`02:52.23`	`fishhead`	`I have friends I am trying to find`
`02:52.29`	`fishhead`	`who swore by deibna`
`02:52.32`	`fishhead`	`I already found one this way`
`02:52.32`	`sanxiyn`	`fishhead: ...`
`02:52.38`	`Tortel`	`what am i looking for?`
`02:52.43`	`danieldg`	`Tortel: add a uid= or gid= to the mount options, and a umask=`
`02:52.48`	`dondelelcaro`	`Tortel: the uid and gid options.`
`02:53.03`	`abrotman`	`!tell roby about nodm`
`02:53.14`	`fishhead`	`i'm friends with lilo I am going to get him to pester the op in that channel`
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`02:53.18`	`dondelelcaro`	`tell Tortel -about read-ntfs`
`02:53.19`	`fishhead`	`once I remeber the nick :P`
`02:53.21`	`Guerin`	`oho, connect_from_port_20=NO fixes it`
`02:53.31`	`Tortel`	`!tell Tortel -about read-ntfs`
`02:53.34`	`gravity`	`roby: Debian doesn't handle that via runlevels. It leaves the runlevels up to the admin`
`02:53.35`	`dondelelcaro`	`fishhead: go elsewhere with that whole discussion please; #ubuntu's policies are OT here.`
`02:53.40`	`fishhead`	`ok :P`
`02:53.42`	`Guerin`	`is there any reason I'd want to restrict PORT commands to originating from 20?`
`02:53.52`	`roby`	`Tortel: gravity: thank god`
`02:53.56`	`fishhead`	`almost done cleaning old computers I got from the trash`
`02:54.00`	`gravity`	`roby: So if you want to boot just to console, you can disable your *dm's (like in the factoid)`
`02:54.00`	`fishhead`	`PII class and some cases and psu's`
`02:54.05`	`roby`	`Tortel: gravity: I was about to get very upset with debian :)`
`02:54.07`	`gravity`	`roby: :-)`
`02:54.11`	`omegadark`	`duel 550 xeons, do i want balance irq's one shot?`
`02:54.11`	`fishhead`	`pretty soon if most of them pass tests I will have a fleet of linux boxes`
`02:54.14`	`fishhead`	`woot`
`02:54.23`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`is it dpkg --reconfigure ? or somthing else`
`02:54.23`	`Guerin`	`omegadark: duel? what weapons?`
`02:54.27`	`abrotman`	`this reminds me of a qotd ...`
`02:54.28`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: man dpkg`
`02:54.31`	`fishhead`	`and probably die from cancer from all the cleaners I used ;)`
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`02:54.53`	`omegadark`	`Guerin: ?`
`02:55.01`	`Guerin`	`omegadark: my sentiments precisely.`
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`02:55.18`	`sanxiyn`	`!qotd0`
`02:55.18`	`dpkg`	`<Glitch_Master> Have you ever gone to the very beginning of your root command history and read stuff? It's very nostalgic.. <shingouz> Glitch_Master: Yea, I noticed "let there be light" ;)`
`02:55.21`	`omegadark`	`...`
`02:55.23`	`dondelelcaro`	`HeLpSysTeM: you want dpkg-reconfigure; apropos reconfigure; is your friend.`
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`02:55.27`	`abrotman`	`!qotd6`
`02:55.27`	`dpkg`	`<d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker?`
`02:55.48`	`abrotman`	`that's what it reminds me of`
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`02:56.57`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: i thought kawf was banned from freenode ?`
`02:57.10`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: no idea; he's banned from here.`
`02:57.18`	`woodland`	`who is dpkg whenever i do /msg dpkg <packagenameant> instantly mesage appears`
`02:57.19`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: i know that .. i saw him in #flood earlier`
`02:57.33`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: what are you`
`02:57.33`	`dpkg`	`I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>`
`02:57.40`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: who do you love`
`02:57.40`	`dpkg`	`xteddy, of course!`
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`02:59.22`	`Quinn_Storm`	`ok, time to try postfix instead of courier-mta`
`02:59.29`	`woodland`	`blootbot`
`02:59.33`	`abrotman`	`i thought you were trying postfix ?`
`02:59.39`	`abrotman`	`woodland: /msg dpkg blootbot`
`02:59.43`	`woodland`	`ok`
`03:00.02`	`Quinn_Storm`	`abrotman: no I tried an all-courier approach first`
`03:00.05`	`abrotman`	`oh`
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`03:00.09`	`Quinn_Storm`	`but its mta sucks`
`03:00.12`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
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`03:00.45`	`Quinn_Storm`	`it keeps giving 513's on outside mail`
`03:00.50`	`woodland`	`abrotman, when you reply me do you always type my nickname or is there a shortcut`
`03:01.05`	`Guerin`	`!nicktab`
`03:01.05`	`dpkg`	`Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. For example, to address exampleUser, type exam<TAB> and your IRC client will fill in the rest. Keep hitting tab if the letters you typed match more than one nick until you get the right one.`
`03:01.14`	`abrotman`	`woodland: type "abr<tab>"`
`03:01.30`	`abrotman`	`woodland: see ?`
`03:01.32`	`woodland`	`ok`
`03:01.51`	`CompWizrd`	`i hate filename completion in windows xp`
`03:01.53`	`abrotman`	`i'm too lazy to type it everytime :)`
`03:01.55`	`Guerin`	`Quinn_Storm: pebcak error`
`03:01.58`	`CompWizrd`	`it always knows exactly what i'm NOT looking for`
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`03:02.11`	`encompass`	`greetings everyone`
`03:02.16`	`Guerin`	`CompWizrd: thousands of man-hours went into perfecting that`
`03:02.24`	`Tortel`	`!mount ntfs`
`03:02.24`	`dpkg`	mounting NTFS is `mount -t ntfs -o uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,umask=003 /dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point>' or adding '/dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point> ntfs uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,defaults,umask=003 0 0' to your /etc/fstab
`03:02.42`	`CompWizrd`	`just link it to clippy and windows find, and we'll be all set for uselessness`
`03:02.48`	`mfrisch`	`CompWizrd and a crack team of monkeys smoking marlbros`
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`03:02.55`	`abrotman`	`camels ?`
`03:03.04`	`Guerin`	`CompWizrd: AIUI, many people thought that time would have been better spent making the little dog cuter, but they didn't win out in the end`
`03:03.18`	`qzerty`	`... I wonder why dpkg's factoid is mounting ntfs with uid gid when you whoulden't be writing to it to begin with`
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`03:03.30`	`CompWizrd`	`i used to not install the office assistant, back in the office 97 days, because i knew everyone would waste at least 20 minutes of their lives playing with it.`
`03:03.30`	`qzerty`	`err shouldent*`
`03:03.34`	`Guerin`	`Quinn_Storm: whouldent == shouldn't?`
`03:03.38`	`Guerin`	`whyever not`
`03:03.39`	`Guerin`	`?`
`03:03.48`	`abrotman`	`qzerty: because people feel the need to try to write to ntfs with linux :)`
`03:03.53`	`Guerin`	`oh`
`03:03.54`	`Guerin`	`ntfs`
`03:03.55`	`qzerty`	`ntfs...`
`03:03.57`	`Guerin`	`not nfs`
`03:04.01`	`qzerty`	`right.`
`03:04.02`	`Guerin`	`i need a beer`
`03:04.08`	`abrotman`	`or a nap`
`03:04.11`	`EdLin`	`!beer Guerin`
`03:04.15`	`roby`	`Tortel: gravity: apt-get remove xdm sys: The following packages will be REMOVED: x-window-system xdm ... but don't i need x-window-system ?!?`
`03:04.16`	`Guerin`	`err`
`03:04.19`	`Guerin`	`arr`
`03:04.22`	`Xenguy`	`!beer Xenguy`
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`03:04.46`	`abrotman`	`roby: it's a metapackage`
`03:04.53`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`how to remove a broken package`
`03:05.01`	`roby`	`abrotman: it's OK to continue?`
`03:05.02`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: don't break it in the first place`
`03:05.07`	`abrotman`	`roby: yep`
`03:05.08`	`EdLin`	`roby: that should be apt-get remove --purge, also, unless you want for boot-up to try adn fail to run xdm`
`03:05.11`	`EdLin`	`and*`
`03:05.21`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: well its broken how to remove or fix it`
`03:05.22`	`Tortel`	`roby: xdm is part of x window system, i think`
`03:05.23`	`roby`	`oh thanks EdLin`
`03:05.29`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: apt-get -f install;`
`03:05.38`	`Estes`	`the question might seem stupid but... it'd be pretty helpful for me right now... Anyone knows a way with linux to use a straight cable to link directly two computers without switch or router ? my case is, i got the switch and i'm lacking of one cable... i'd like to use a connection NOW and so i don't want to modify my cable... anyone ?`
`03:05.50`	`abrotman`	`!crossovercable`
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`03:05.53`	`abrotman`	`bah`
`03:06.00`	`Estes`	`:)`
`03:06.03`	`EdLin`	`!nullmodem`
`03:06.06`	`abrotman`	`Estes: oh .. you don't have a crossovercable ?`
`03:06.07`	`Estes`	`good one ;)`
`03:06.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`Estes: if your cards are good, they'll crossover themselves.`
`03:06.08`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`sub-proccess /usr/bin/dpkg retunred an error cod 1`
`03:06.09`	`CompWizrd`	`Estes: do your network cards/onboard support automatic crossover(like some gigabit cards do?)`
`03:06.10`	`abrotman`	`!null modem`
`03:06.10`	`dpkg`	`hmm... null modem is There really is no "null modem" per se, but usually a null modem cable. This is a cable that connects two computers together via serial port and allows them to communicate. Some hardware manufacturers of network hardware, such as hubs and routers, include serial ports for programming their devices. You use a null modem cable to communicate with these devices. Ask me about "null modem pinouts".`
`03:06.14`	`Estes`	`hum`
`03:06.24`	`dondelelcaro`	`Estes: othwerwise, no; you'll have to modify the cable.`
`03:06.30`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: he only needs one good one iirc`
`03:06.30`	`Estes`	`that's old NICs`
`03:06.33`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: what branch of debian, and what package?`
`03:06.37`	`roby`	`Tortel: ah i see`
`03:06.39`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: yes`
`03:06.49`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: bootsplash.`
`03:06.56`	`Estes`	`didn't knew there was cross over NICs`
`03:06.59`	`woodland`	`what channel is for firefox browser`
`03:07.05`	`Estes`	`i'll try connecting to see...`
`03:07.06`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: answer the question`
`03:07.07`	`CompWizrd`	`gigabit is supposed to support it in the specs, IIRC`
`03:07.13`	`Guerin`	`woodland: #firefox irc.mozilla.org`
`03:07.14`	`dondelelcaro`	`Estes: yes; the gigabit spec requires it, and some 100bT cards do`
`03:07.16`	`abrotman`	`irc.mozilla.org`
`03:07.23`	`woodland`	`ok`
`03:07.25`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: sarge, and bootsplash`
`03:07.34`	`Estes`	`hum, interresting`
`03:07.43`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: put full apt-get -f install; output on paster`
`03:07.43`	`Tortel`	`whats the gid for while setting up a mount in fstab?`
`03:07.47`	`Guerin`	`!paster HeLpSysTeM`
`03:07.47`	`CompWizrd`	`install 10base2!`
`03:07.48`	`dpkg`	`HeLpSysTeM: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.`
`03:08.01`	`abrotman`	`CompWizrd: that's not even funny :)`
`03:08.06`	`encompass`	`!null modem pinouts`
`03:08.06`	`dpkg`	`methinks null modem pinouts is for DB-25, cross 2 & 3; cross 4 & 5; jumper 6 & 8 together on each end and cross to 20; 7 is straight through`
`03:08.12`	`abrotman`	`!crossover`
`03:08.12`	`dpkg`	`methinks crossover is a proprietary piece of software that allows x86 linux users to use some Windows Netscape plugins with Netscape/Mozilla/Konq. I'd give you a link, but I don't like spam. :-P, or a different wiring for CAT5 cabling, that allows you to hook 2 ethernet cards directly together with no hub in between. For more information, see http://www.gcctech.com/support/doc/crossover.html`
`03:08.16`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: how to copy from console`
`03:08.17`	`CompWizrd`	`i had about 20 computers on 10base2 back in about 1997.`
`03:08.20`	`dondelelcaro`	`Tortel: whatever the gid is of the group that you want to have access to the files is.`
`03:08.24`	`CompWizrd`	`it didn't take long to get approval to run 10base2`
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`03:08.29`	`CompWizrd`	`erm, 10baseT`
`03:08.31`	`encompass`	`ohhhh`
`03:08.32`	`Tortel`	`oyea`
`03:08.42`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: use screen, gpm or redirect to a file with >`
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`03:09.39`	`CompWizrd`	`i liked token ring.. our building was wired up for it.. the connectors were so bloody strong, they made nice pull leads for running cat5`
`03:09.55`	`kurumin`	`aLGUM bRASILEIRO NA PARADA`
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`03:10.06`	`dondelelcaro`	`!br`
`03:10.06`	`dpkg`	`Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
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`03:10.47`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: how to paste :/`
`03:10.49`	`Tortel`	`is gid a number?`
`03:10.52`	`Tortel`	`:(`
`03:11.03`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: how did you copy?`
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`03:11.04`	`Guerin`	`Tortel: yes`
`03:11.12`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: print screen shot`
`03:11.18`	`Guerin`	`wtf`
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`03:11.33`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: you don't have X on that machine?`
`03:11.40`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: or screen? or gpm?`
`03:11.41`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: not really.`
`03:11.50`	`Guerin`	`you either do, or you don't`
`03:11.50`	`Tortel`	`Gueriun: Then what is the way to find it out? :P`
`03:11.57`	`Guerin`	`Tortel: id`
`03:12.01`	`Tortel`	`thanks`
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`03:12.13`	`Quinn_Storm`	`and finally gmail is up so I can try out evolution with it`
`03:12.39`	`aalex`	`Question: I have Windows XP on a HD. I want to install a new HD which will be partitionned GRUB/Linux/FAT32/FAT32. Should I put this new disk first, as a master, and then the other one second, as slave ? If not, will GRUB be recognized as a bootstrap partition when the computer start up ?`
`03:13.13`	`Guerin`	`aalex: grub doesn't need a partition`
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`03:13.47`	`Guerin`	`aalex: unless you mean a separate /boot, which is probably wise`
`03:13.50`	`aalex`	`Guerin : really ? cool`
`03:13.55`	`aalex`	`hmmm`
`03:14.01`	`Guerin`	`aalex: grub lives in the MBR`
`03:14.07`	`gravity`	`:q`
`03:14.09`	`gravity`	`Crap`
`03:14.20`	`Guerin`	`aalex: its config files and so on need to reside on a partition`
`03:14.32`	`aalex`	`Guerin: yeah, perhaps it would be better to separate /boot, /var, /home and /usr`
`03:14.54`	`aalex`	`Guerin: hmm, what is a MBR ?`
`03:15.20`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: i install screen what now,`
`03:15.26`	`Guerin`	`aalex: i'd just go with /boot and /, and possibly /home unless you have really special needs`
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`03:15.27`	`CompWizrd`	`master boot record`
`03:15.43`	`transgress_`	`okay my mouse sensitivity is unbarably low... and i can't seem to get it to increase... any tips?`
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`03:16.16`	`dbw`	`hello... i am trying to install debian on my roommate's laptop, which is unable to boot to cd, floppy, or usb.`
`03:16.19`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: do you have a web browser?`
`03:16.35`	`dbw`	`i've been using these instructions: http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html`
`03:16.39`	`xixor`	`hm.....`
`03:16.42`	`dbw`	`which have been working pretty well.`
`03:16.44`	`encompass`	`dbw check you bios and see if the settings are wrong`
`03:16.50`	`dbw`	`but i've run up agains something`
`03:16.53`	`dbw`	`encompass: yes :)`
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`03:17.06`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: honestly, you should be on a machine with X, or you could ssh in from another box, such as the one you're on now.`
`03:17.15`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: elinks`
`03:17.17`	`dbw`	`i've got the kernel and initrd from the install disk, with the correct parameters, loaded up in grub for dos`
`03:17.22`	`aalex`	`Guerin : hmm, I have a 40 Gb ::: /boot : 1 Gb, /home 30 Gb, / 10 Gb ?`
`03:17.29`	`dbw`	`and it starts to boot the kernel but panics:`
`03:17.38`	`Guerin`	`aalex: /boot can be <100MB`
`03:17.41`	`encompass`	`what are you booting with?`
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`03:17.52`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`actually boot can be 32`
`03:17.52`	`dbw`	`Warning: unable to open an initial console.`
`03:17.55`	`Guerin`	`aalex: i thought you wanted some windows partitions too`
`03:18.04`	`dbw`	`Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!`
`03:18.04`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: boot can be any size you like`
`03:18.05`	`transgress_`	`anyone know why my mouse sensitivity won't go up in the gnome preferences? is there a way to do it with xorg.conf?`
`03:18.14`	`dbw`	`encompass: i'm booting from the laptop`
`03:18.16`	`dbw`	`hard drive`
`03:18.23`	`dbw`	`using grub for dos`
`03:18.27`	`encompass`	`oh`
`03:18.34`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: run a shell in screen`
`03:18.45`	`dbw`	`so do you know what that kernel panic means?`
`03:18.47`	`aalex`	`Guerin : yeah, sure`
`03:18.49`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: use ctrl+a,ESC to enter copy mode`
`03:18.57`	`encompass`	`you can't boot from anything, what happened to your computer`
`03:18.58`	`Guerin`	`!kernel panic`
`03:18.58`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, kernel panic is at http://www.kernel-panic.com/links/Programming/C/, or <reply> sudo dd if=/proc/kmem of=/dev/mem, or dunno, never seen it Aiee, killing interrupt handler!, or see "norootfs" for messages about no root filesystem.`
`03:19.04`	`aalex`	`Guerin: actuall, its a 160 Gb...`
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`03:19.07`	`dbw`	`encompass: it's a crappy computer :P`
`03:19.10`	`Guerin`	`aalex: ah, ok.`
`03:19.14`	`dbw`	`Guerin: thanks, i'll check it out...`
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`03:19.22`	`Tortel`	`bedtime`
`03:19.24`	`Tortel`	`gn all`
`03:19.26`	`Tortel`	`:)`
`03:19.33`	`encompass`	`wow, well, I don{t know what to say`
`03:19.34`	`encompass`	`gn`
`03:19.38`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: then use <enter> to tag the start and end of what you want to copy`
`03:19.47`	`dbw`	`!norootfs`
`03:19.47`	`dpkg`	`Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader`
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`03:20.22`	`aalex`	`Guerin : so, for a working system, on a 40 Gb ::: /boot : 100 Mb, /home 30 Gb, / 10 Gb ?`
`03:20.23`	`debian_newbie88`	`hello all`
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`03:20.47`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: then run your browser, and use ctrl+a,] to paste what you copied`
`03:20.49`	`debian_newbie88`	`What is port 659 and 669 ?`
`03:21.10`	`debian_newbie88`	`now I use command netstat and see it.`
`03:21.14`	`Guerin`	`aalex: sounds fine. / is probably even a bit big, unless you're running a lot of servers or have some other space requirements`
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`03:21.44`	`encompass`	`isn't there a bootsplash program for debian`
`03:21.45`	`Guerin`	`debian_newbie88: read /etc/services, or netstat -plaunt as root to see what's on them`
`03:21.52`	`Guerin`	`encompass: there is, but it's shit`
`03:22.03`	`CompWizrd`	`i learned the hard way to not use 128k inodes on a backuppc partition...`
`03:22.12`	`Guerin`	`bootsplash is a waste of fucking time on an OS which you need to boot once per month, at the most`
`03:22.24`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`has anyone sucessfully gotten mdadm raid arrays to autodetect on boot?`
`03:22.45`	`Guerin`	`FliesLikeABrick: no.`
`03:22.49`	`encompass`	`I boot many times a day, its a lappy, I am costumizing it to look good`
`03:22.59`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: how to mark them`
`03:23.13`	`encompass`	`ok`
`03:23.26`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: i explained it above`
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`03:23.29`	`aalex`	`Guerin : but, still, that 10 Gb / partition needs to be big enough to contain /usr, /etc, //var ...`
`03:23.58`	`Quinn_Storm`	`wow is someone calling 10 GB small?!`
`03:24.25`	`Guerin`	`Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on`
`03:24.26`	`Guerin`	`/dev/hda1 9612100 1923076 7200752 22% /`
`03:24.29`	`djperegrine`	`Quinn_Storm, it depends on the context`
`03:24.33`	`aalex`	`well, yeah. Quinn_Storm`
`03:24.41`	`Guerin`	`aalex: that's my main, fulltime, production desktop with all the bells and whistles`
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`03:24.52`	`Guerin`	`aalex: i have a separate /home, and that's all`
`03:24.55`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: you said press ctrl+a,esc , and paste other place with ctrl+a`
`03:25.00`	`CompWizrd`	`i used to be able to get potato into 40 meg when i was playing with it.. i miss those days..`
`03:25.13`	`Quinn_Storm`	`heh`
`03:25.23`	`aalex`	`Guerin : that is 100 Gb, no ?`
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`03:25.41`	`Guerin`	`aalex: 10, of which 2 are used`
`03:25.48`	`aalex`	`ok, thanks`
`03:25.50`	`aalex`	`:-)`
`03:25.53`	`CompWizrd`	`no matching comp found: client zlib server none,zlib@openssh.com`
`03:25.57`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: reread what I wrote again`
`03:25.58`	`CompWizrd`	`someonefixthisplease.`
`03:26.06`	`CompWizrd`	`:D`
`03:26.09`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: or shell in from anothe machine and do it that way`
`03:26.18`	`CompWizrd`	`not sure why i need ssh compression on 100mbit ethernet anyways, but yeah`
`03:26.43`	`aalex`	`And, I guess I will keep my former HD with windows XP as Master, and put the new one with Linux as a Slave. Will Grub ask me at startup which OS I want ?`
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`03:27.07`	`Guerin`	`aalex: the MBR is the boot sector on drive 0,0`
`03:27.08`	`xpato`	`hi`
`03:27.20`	`xpato`	`how can i configure a class b dns reverse?`
`03:27.23`	`Guerin`	`aalex: so grub should be installed to the MBR of the master`
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`03:27.30`	`Guerin`	`xpato: if you need to ask, you shouldn't`
`03:27.50`	`Guerin`	`xpato: but for s&g, read the bind doc, and do the tldp.org bind howto`
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`03:28.14`	`Guerin`	`aalex: the files grub needs to run can be on any drive, though`
`03:28.21`	`ilp`	`I am trying to setup wireless and it works fine when I have it going with network card directly connected to wireless hub`
`03:28.21`	`coywolf`	`i have xhost -, why i still get Error: Can't open display:`
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`03:28.29`	`Guerin`	`never use xhost`
`03:28.33`	`Guerin`	`!sshx`
`03:28.33`	`dpkg`	`[sshx] Enable X11Forwarding on the server (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html`
`03:28.33`	`pfel`	`i have trouble setting up dual booting...`
`03:28.35`	`aalex`	`So, I just install it on the Slave drive, or not ?`
`03:28.40`	`ilp`	`and when I disable eth0 my wireless also doesn't work what can be wrong?`
`03:28.46`	`xpato`	`Guerin, i did the howto`
`03:28.55`	`aalex`	`So, I just install it on the Slave drive, or not ? Guerin`
`03:28.56`	`xpato`	`it works for class b`
`03:28.57`	`pfel`	`I never had this problem until now that I bought a new HD and decided to install debian on it`
`03:29.01`	`Guerin`	`xpato: then you have no problems`
`03:29.04`	`coywolf`	`Guerin, just xhost for test`
`03:29.15`	`xpato`	`but does not for class c`
`03:29.20`	`Guerin`	`aalex: install grub on the MBR and debian wherever you want`
`03:29.20`	`aalex`	`Guerin : hey, you're from France ? : -)`
`03:29.24`	`Guerin`	`aalex: no`
`03:29.36`	`pfel`	`if I install grub from the installer, I get error 17`
`03:29.39`	`pfel`	`on boot`
`03:29.40`	`aalex`	`MBR of the disk where Windows is ?`
`03:29.56`	`pfel`	`yeah where should I put windows`
`03:30.20`	`pfel`	`it fails to boot, says ntloader is missing or whatever else crap`
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`03:30.48`	`xpato`	`Guerin, i do have problems :(`
`03:31.29`	`pfel`	`if I use lilo, it works fine _if_ windows is on the boot hard drive`
`03:31.31`	`ilp`	`I am trying to setup wireless and it works fine when I have it going with network card directly connected to wireless hub`
`03:31.33`	`pfel`	`but it isn't :p`
`03:31.33`	`ilp`	`and when I disable eth0 my wireless also doesn't work what can be wrong?`
`03:31.45`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`ilp are you sure the wireless is working when the eth is hooked up?`
`03:31.48`	`FliesLikeABrick`	`or are you juts going through the eth?`
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`03:32.14`	`ilp`	`wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:50:05:E7:6D`
`03:32.14`	`ilp`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`03:32.18`	`ilp`	`this is what I get it.`
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`03:33.22`	`pfel`	`aalex, you too having problems with dual boot?`
`03:33.34`	`aalex`	`pfel, not yet :-)`
`03:33.43`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/906`
`03:33.45`	`zebalin2`	`Hi folks. Got a bios question. I got this machine 2 years ago. Had 2 SATA drives. In order to run on 2.4 kernel I had to change bios to 'legacy'. Now I run 2.6. Can I change bios back to 'enhansed sata" without damage? Will it boot?`
`03:33.55`	`pfel`	`i've never had them before but this new configuration seems to be somehow impossible ,p`
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`03:34.26`	`pfel`	`it has always worked fine if windows has been on the 1. disk 1. partition etc.`
`03:34.42`	`pfel`	`but now it's on the slave (used to be on the 1. but I put another disk as the master there)`
`03:34.55`	`aalex`	`pfef : do you know which disk I should put as a master and which one as a slave ?`
`03:35.18`	`pfel`	`aalex, i recommend you put windows on the master disk, since for me it doesn't so far seem to work otherwise`
`03:35.24`	`aalex`	`pfef : because my Grub (bootstrap choose OS) will be on the one with linux`
`03:35.36`	`pfel`	`but it might be that the old installation of my windows is just incapable of living there..`
`03:35.54`	`ilp`	`can any1 help?`
`03:36.18`	`pfel`	`aalex, well..`
`03:36.29`	`pfel`	`aalex, for me, grub just crashes :p`
`03:36.33`	`aalex`	`pfel unless i use partition magic....`
`03:36.39`	`aalex`	`ok ok`
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`03:39.53`	`pfel`	`Maybe I just oughta make a separate boot partition :p`
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`03:42.03`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: any idea ?`
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`03:43.25`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`i got this error >>> http://channels.debian.net/paste/906`
`03:44.06`	`sanxiyn`	`HeLpSysTeM: bootslapsh package is bad.`
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`03:44.19`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`sanxiyn: well i wanna fix my system`
`03:44.20`	`sanxiyn`	`HeLpSysTeM: Where did you got it? Mail the maintainer.`
`03:44.36`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: dpkg -P bootsplash`
`03:44.45`	`Guerin`	`!info bootsplash sarge`
`03:45.03`	`Guerin`	`wtf`
`03:45.03`	`Atula`	`I tried: sudo -t smbfs //LAN_IP/folder /home/name/folder... but it did not work.... what is the correct syntax? thank you`
`03:45.04`	`sanxiyn`	`Guerin: There's no such package.`
`03:45.09`	`Guerin`	`it's not even in sarge, you twat`
`03:45.24`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`it says depandecy not removing`
`03:45.34`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: don't use unofficial packages if you're not able to fix them./`
`03:45.36`	`Atula`	`!moo`
`03:45.36`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
`03:45.46`	`djperegrine`	`haha`
`03:46.01`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: any backup ? for debian.`
`03:46.03`	`sanxiyn`	`HeLpSysTeM: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/bootslapsh.postinst, and think twice before trying another unofficial package.`
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`03:46.16`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`sanxiyn: thanks`
`03:46.23`	`djperegrine`	`there is no standard linux distrubution but they all have moo`
`03:46.30`	`Guerin`	`HeLpSysTeM: aptitude purge bootsplash;`
`03:47.09`	`sanxiyn`	`HeLpSysTeM: After removing postinst script, which apparently fails, continue with apt-get -f install.`
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`03:47.30`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`sanxiyn: thanks :)`
`03:47.35`	`saik0`	`huzzah Debian with xfce 4.2`
`03:47.43`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`its working fine`
`03:48.00`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`sanxiyn: is there any way to add a boot splash`
`03:48.06`	`sanxiyn`	`HeLpSysTeM: Dunno.`
`03:48.11`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`i found a grub-slash. didn't work`
`03:48.36`	`Guerin`	`don't bother`
`03:48.42`	`Guerin`	`bootsplash is a waste of fucking time`
`03:48.53`	`ilp`	`problem solved.. wireless config require infrastructure mode .`
`03:48.54`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`i found a grub-splash. didn't work`
`03:48.56`	`Atula`	`how do I mount an samba folder to my debian box? I've tried: mount -t smbfs //LAN_IP/folder /targetfolder.... it did not work.... please advise me thank you`
`03:49.08`	`Atula`	`!trix`
`03:49.20`	`Guerin`	`and since you appear to be incapable of administrating yourself out of a paper bag, it'll just make things even worse for you, and us when you come back with your pebcak errors`
`03:49.50`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: well the beauty of it that i won't ask for the same thing again :)`
`03:50.01`	`Atula`	`!moo`
`03:50.01`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
`03:50.11`	`Guerin`	`yeah, right`
`03:50.20`	`Guerin`	`Atula: not funny enough the first time?.`
`03:50.25`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`Guerin: like now i know how to use screen :$.`
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`03:50.37`	`Atula`	`no. sorry. I'm trying to find the child calf in me.... didn't work tho`
`03:51.16`	`daEAGLEmon`	`i just installed nvidia's drivers and now my xdm/gdm/kdm don't work, any ideas?`
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`03:51.45`	`saik0`	`daEAGLEmon did you reconfigure x properly?`
`03:51.52`	`daEAGLEmon`	`not sure`
`03:51.53`	`Atula`	`*sigh.... I am piled with works.... my room is dirty.... I need a shower and my nipples are too small.... now would someone just help me mount a samba share folder.... make my night a bit better.... make my tiny nipples harden.... please..... thank you.`
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`03:52.25`	`saik0`	`daEAGLEmon, did you use the nvidia installer or make a kernel package?`
`03:52.46`	`Guerin`	`Atula: just because you ramble inane shit, it doesn't make you a beat poet`
`03:52.48`	`daEAGLEmon`	`made the pkg w/ deb's nvidia source pkg`
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`03:53.09`	`Guerin`	`daEAGLEmon: uninstall the nvidia drives you installed with the nvidia installer and use`
`03:53.12`	`Guerin`	`!nvidia one liner`
`03:53.12`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>`
`03:53.17`	`Guerin`	`that ^^^`
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`03:53.44`	`WiFiTux`	`Hi, anyone elses sound card b0rk after upgrading Sid`
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`03:54.17`	`Atula`	`Guerin: never try to be one.... just really bored... like that guy in the simpsons... I feel like that guy who got electicuted because he was too uptight.... the engineer guy... gosh, I wish I remember his name.`
`03:54.31`	`saik0`	`Geurin: spiffy. been in #ubuntu land too long. Accoustomed to holding some hands =)`
`03:54.50`	`slackd00d`	`ewwwww = P`
`03:54.55`	`daEAGLEmon`	`Guerin, umm... ok but does it make a diff that it's kernel 2.6.12 from unstable?`
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`03:55.02`	`Guerin`	`daEAGLEmon: no.`
`03:55.06`	`daEAGLEmon`	`ok ty`
`03:55.46`	`Atula`	`thats' really weird.... my clock would not go beyond 11:10.... wtf....`
`03:55.51`	`Atula`	`whats going on`
`03:56.05`	`Atula`	`wow`
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`03:56.37`	`roberto`	`hi :)`
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`03:57.03`	`saik0`	`Does anybody know and good books/docs on setting up OpenLDAP+Kerberos+SASL+Samba on a debian server`
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`03:57.27`	`Guerin`	`saik0: tldp.org`
`03:57.32`	`beardy`	`saik0: If there is such a book, google can probably find it for you.`
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`03:58.11`	`Tarka`	`Anyone know how to log the output of the initscripts on boot?`
`03:58.23`	`saik0`	`beardy: I'm aware of the magic of google...but sometimes people like asking for personal opinions`
`03:58.30`	`saik0`	`Guerin: thanks`
`03:58.58`	`roberto`	`does anybody know why there isn't prozilla package in unstable?`
`03:59.10`	`beardy`	`saik0: well, I'll also tell you about tldp next time instead then.`
`03:59.14`	`Guerin`	`wtf is prozilla?`
`03:59.34`	`Guerin`	`roberto: the answer is: because you haven't packaged it yet`
`03:59.35`	`sanxiyn`	`Guerin: FlashGet clone.`
`03:59.56`	`daEAGLEmon`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:59.57`	`Guerin`	`eh? like a flash blocker?`
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`04:00.05`	`roberto`	`Guerin, this is a stupid answer because prozilla was in unstable for years :)`
`04:00.10`	`sanxiyn`	`Guerin: Eh, no. FlashGet the download manager.`
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`04:00.17`	`Guerin`	`roberto: heh, ok.`
`04:00.23`	`beardy`	`Tarka: Which ouput do you mean? The output from the initscripts at bootup can be viewd by running 'dmesg'. Or looking at /var/log/dmesg`
`04:00.32`	`Guerin`	`daEAGLEmon: if you're using 2.6.12, why is it trying for 2.6.8`
`04:00.33`	`Guerin`	`?`
`04:01.07`	`daEAGLEmon`	`well i did get the source for 2.6.8 so not sure why it's looking there`
`04:01.25`	`sanxiyn`	`roberto: See #308826`
`04:01.30`	`sanxiyn`	`!dbugs 308826`
`04:01.34`	`dpkg`	`DONE:#308826:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: prozilla -- RoM; includes non-free code, obsolete, orphaned upstream; Thu, 12 May 2005 15:33:13 UTC`
`04:01.44`	`sanxiyn`	`That's why it was removed.`
`04:01.48`	`Tarka`	`beardy: dmesg is the kernel log, I want to log the shell-script output`
`04:01.56`	`roberto`	`sander, thanks :)`
`04:02.13`	`Guerin`	`daEAGLEmon: what kernel is actually running?`
`04:02.15`	`roberto`	`erm`
`04:02.23`	`roberto`	`said, sanxiyn thanks :D`
`04:02.56`	`sanxiyn`	`roberto: You can find out this kind of information from "FTP master log of removals"`
`04:03.05`	`sanxiyn`	`Eh, a bit hard to find, actually.`
`04:03.08`	`sanxiyn`	`roberto: http://ftp-master.debian.org/`
`04:03.23`	`roberto`	`oh! i dindn't know`
`04:03.29`	`roberto`	`thanks again`
`04:03.42`	`beardy`	`Tarka: Do they give any output at all if they run successfully? Any script in particular?`
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`04:04.16`	`din`	`gn`
`04:04.38`	`danieldg`	`Tarka: you could add an output redirect to some log file in /etc/init.d/rc`
`04:04.40`	`aalex`	`Question: I want to create a /boot partition on a new installation. Shoud I create a 100 Mb ext3 /boot ? Should I give it a name ?`
`04:05.16`	`Tarka`	`beardy: I'm seeing output about modules not being present, but it flashes past too fast`
`04:05.19`	`Guerin`	`aalex: ext2`
`04:05.28`	`Guerin`	`aalex: 3 is ok, but there's no real point to 3`
`04:05.35`	`litage`	`when i type a URL into konqueror, instead of loading the page, it downloads the page into /tmp and then runs firefox, which loads the temp file. how can i fix this?`
`04:05.40`	`Tarka`	`I seem to remember a bootlog utility from some time ago.`
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`04:05.54`	`Guerin`	`litage: don't use kde`
`04:06.00`	`kuhwallskee`	`what's a good easy to configure and SECURE ftpd server?`
`04:06.03`	`aalex`	`And my swap should be right after?`
`04:06.05`	`djperegrine`	`Guerin, :O`
`04:06.06`	`litage`	`Guerin: thanks for that great suggestion`
`04:06.08`	`djperegrine`	`I like KDE`
`04:06.24`	`Guerin`	`litage: guaranteed to fix that problem in 100% of all cases`
`04:06.37`	`Guerin`	`kuhwallskee: vsftpd`
`04:06.43`	`litage`	`Guerin: that wasn't a constructive suggestion. you're simply stating your opinion in a round-about way`
`04:06.50`	`Tarka`	`danieldg: That may be the way by the look of`
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`04:07.14`	`Guerin`	`litage: it's an option. Your other options are to ask in #debian-kde or #kde`
`04:07.25`	`aalex`	`Guerin : should I name it ?`
`04:07.33`	`daEAGLEmon`	`brb gonna see if that works Guerin`
`04:07.41`	`Guerin`	`aalex: call it Shirley for all I care`
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`04:07.50`	`aalex`	`ok`
`04:08.04`	`saik0`	`Guerin: surely you're joking`
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`04:08.28`	`Guerin`	`saik0: hey now, I didn't say anyone could call ME Shirley`
`04:08.45`	`saik0`	`Guerin: =D`
`04:09.30`	`saik0`	`the proper respone was, No, and stop calling me Shirley.....but thats close enough`
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`04:10.30`	`Guerin`	`goddamn, if one more project incorporates punctuation into their name, I'm going to kill some puppies`
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`04:11.06`	`sanxiyn`	`Guerin: For example?`
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`04:11.11`	`daEAGLEmon`	`Guerin, that worked ty`
`04:11.23`	`saik0`	`Guerin: as long as you dont hurt the devs. I rather like x.org and openoffice.org`
`04:11.35`	`Guerin`	`saik0: joomla! tango!`
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`04:11.49`	`Guerin`	`sanxiyn: and then there's the old divx;)`
`04:11.57`	`sanxiyn`	`saik0: Eh, is exclamation mark part of the name ?!`
`04:12.08`	`sanxiyn`	`Oops, was to Guerin.`
`04:12.18`	`Guerin`	`sanxiyn: yeh.`
`04:12.22`	`sanxiyn`	`That absolutely sucks.`
`04:12.36`	`beardy`	`Is the exlamation mark part of the question? ;)`
`04:12.42`	`Guerin`	`the originators were yahoo!`
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`04:12.50`	`sanxiyn`	`Yahoo!, of course.`
`04:12.50`	`Guerin`	`and they absolutely suck, too`
`04:13.14`	`sanxiyn`	`I rather like Yahoo!, except exclamation mark in the name.`
`04:13.41`	`greattabedes`	`hello i just *tried to set up debian 3.1, and i have no idea how to get the internet to work, obviously i'm on irc im using k blagh irc`
`04:14.09`	`beardy`	`greattabedes: "k blagh irc"?`
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`04:14.17`	`brlancer`	`'arch' was never put into Sarge; can I use 'tla' or 'bazaar' (or another implementation) for arch repositories?`
`04:14.22`	`Guerin`	`greattabedes: you say you can't get the interent to work, but you're using it now?`
`04:14.23`	`greattabedes`	`some kind of irc`
`04:14.31`	`sanxiyn`	`brlancer: tla is arch.`
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`04:14.46`	`greattabedes`	`yeah blows my mind too. my google.com search times out`
`04:14.55`	`beardy`	`greattabedes: :)`
`04:14.58`	`sanxiyn`	`Rather, tla is an implementation of arch standard. Same thing.`
`04:15.17`	`Guerin`	`greattabedes: what happens when you ping google.com`
`04:15.18`	`sanxiyn`	`greattabedes: DNS problem?`
`04:15.21`	`brlancer`	`sanxiyn: ok, I couldn't find a straight answer if arch was a method or an application`
`04:15.31`	`brlancer`	`it didn't help that 'arch' was in woody`
`04:15.34`	`brlancer`	`thanks`
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`04:16.03`	`sanxiyn`	`Oops, it was "arch" in woody indeed.`
`04:16.06`	`greattabedes`	`it must be a DNS problem any ideas on how to fix it?`
`04:16.50`	`Guerin`	`greattabedes: echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf`
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`04:17.06`	`Guerin`	`or add your own nameservers`
`04:17.15`	`sanxiyn`	`Guerin: Eh, what is 4.2.2.1 ?`
`04:17.25`	`Guerin`	`it's a nameserver :)`
`04:17.42`	`sanxiyn`	`Oh, with easy-to-remember IP, indeed.`
`04:17.54`	`agmtrio`	`i'm having trouble uninstalling apache in sarge.. i tried an apt-get remove --purge apache2 and all other related packages and its still running. any ideas?`
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`04:18.01`	`Guerin`	`4.2.2.1-6`
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`04:18.10`	`Guerin`	`for great justice!`
`04:18.29`	`roby`	`There do not seem to be kernel headers available from apt for 2.6.12-1, what should I do?`
`04:18.38`	`sanxiyn`	`agmtrio: Was apache installed with Debian package?`
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`04:18.52`	`Guerin`	`roby: they'll be called linux-headers`
`04:19.08`	`wolfjb`	`agmtrio: if it is still running, you might try something like apache2ctl stop or /etc/init.d/apache2 stop`
`04:19.11`	`roby`	`Guerin: thanks a bunch`
`04:19.21`	`sanxiyn`	`Guerin: It used to be "kernel-headers" though.`
`04:19.32`	`greattabedes`	`ok i just copied the line ---- # echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf and pasted it in the root terminal`
`04:19.33`	`wolfjb`	`agmtrio: I don't think apt stops apache when it removes it.`
`04:19.44`	`sanxiyn`	`I guess it's symbolic(?) step to "kernel-agnostic" Debian.`
`04:19.46`	`aalex`	`Question: The Debian formatting tool tells me that there is no partition table on my disk. Fine. My partitions are : /boot, swap, /, /home, FAT32 and FAT32. What is wrong ?`
`04:19.56`	`wolfjb`	`agmtrio: at least it didn't for me last time I did the same thing`
`04:20.01`	`zebalin2`	`Can I change bios from 'legacy' to 'sata' without trashing my exisitng install of debian?`
`04:20.04`	`agmtrio`	`sanxiyn, i installed apache with the "Web Server" selection on base-config`
`04:20.11`	`sanxiyn`	`agmtrio: Hm.`
`04:20.56`	`sanxiyn`	`wolfjb: I believe APT does stop Apache before removing it.`
`04:21.08`	`agmtrio`	`sanxiyn, yeah that's what I thought too`
`04:21.15`	`wolfjb`	`sanxiyn: I must have done something wrong, then`
`04:21.22`	`agmtrio`	`sanxiyn, so i'm wondering if theres another package name concerned`
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`04:21.32`	`wolfjb`	`I was hoping it would, but it left the servers running`
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`04:21.38`	`sanxiyn`	`wolfjb: /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache*.prerm proves my memory. :-)`
`04:21.46`	`sanxiyn`	`(prerm for pre-removing)`
`04:22.05`	`wolfjb`	`sanxiyn: hrm... wonder what I did then...`
`04:22.19`	`greattabedes`	`hey it worked thanks... now what exactyl did that line do?`
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`04:22.46`	`Guerin`	`greattabedes: gave you some nameserver to look up`
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`04:23.49`	`wolfjb`	`sanxiyn: maybe I didn't remove the common package (?)`
`04:23.58`	`greattabedes`	`what is a name server? did it look up the site and deduce what my proper conf must be or what?`
`04:24.03`	`beardy`	`greattabedes: It added a nameserver to the file /etc/resolv.conf. Read 'man 5 resolv.conf' if you want to know more about it.`
`04:24.03`	`holysmoke`	`mepis`
`04:24.50`	`SimonRaven`	`greattabedes: normally you should check to see what it would do first, instead of blidnly doing things. now, Guerin is a good guy, so it's ok, but do be aware there aren't all 'good guys' on the 'net`
`04:25.22`	`sanxiyn`	`greattabedes: Name servers convert human-readable addresses like "google.com" to numbers like "0xd8ef2563".`
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`04:26.23`	`greattabedes`	`true story`
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`04:26.34`	`sanxiyn`	`greattabedes: Computer needs numbers to talk with machine out there, not strings like "google.com". But it's inconvinent to remember.`
`04:26.45`	`sanxiyn`	`greattabedes: So there are servers on the net to do the conversion.`
`04:27.11`	`sanxiyn`	`That's why they are called "name servers", by the way.`
`04:27.20`	`SimonRaven`	`well, they read human readable files (zone files) and convert those to numbers ;)`
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`04:27.35`	`sanxiyn`	`SimonRaven: Which is an implementation detail :-)`
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`04:27.42`	`jair`	`guys I am getting a very weird error when I am trying to run apt-get update: v`
`04:27.46`	`jair`	`guys I am getting a very weird error when I am trying to run apt-get update: vhttp://pastebin.com/390857`
`04:28.27`	`sanxiyn`	`jair: Read the error message.`
`04:28.29`	`jair`	`Guerin, it looks like is a problem in the debian-security repository`
`04:28.30`	`k0walski`	`I have a quick question about openntpd on linux: I installed it, and it starts at boot and runs a daemon, but I can't get it to change the system clock. If it's an option that I need to set when calling it from init scripts, how do I set it?`
`04:28.50`	`sanxiyn`	`esk: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correctthe problem.`
`04:29.42`	`jair`	`sanxiyn, yes but just run that command: dpkg --configure -a that's it?`
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`04:30.22`	`jair`	`sanxiyn, annex1:~# dpkg --configure -a`
`04:30.22`	`jair`	`dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system`
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`04:30.43`	`MrXerox`	`trying to do a: /usr/local/src/xine.cvs/xine-lib# sudo apt-get build-dep libxine1`
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`04:30.57`	`MrXerox`	`and getting a: E: Build-dependencies for libxine1 could not be satisfied.`
`04:30.57`	`sanxiyn`	`jair: Apparently, you have read-only file system.`
`04:30.57`	`MrXerox`	`Any clues?`
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`04:31.11`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Apparently, it cannot be satisfied.`
`04:31.20`	`MrXerox`	`heh`
`04:31.40`	`MrXerox`	`What can I do to satisfy it?`
`04:31.44`	`jair`	`sanxiyn, hahaha how is that possible`
`04:31.52`	`jair`	`sanxiyn, the hd is damage?`
`04:31.54`	`inc\|freaky`	`guten morgen liebe sorgen seit ihr auch schon alle da :D`
`04:32.07`	`SimonRaven`	`@german`
`04:32.07`	`ravenbird`	`i guess german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de`
`04:32.10`	`SimonRaven`	`;p`
`04:32.16`	`inc\|freaky`	`;p`
`04:32.19`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Are you running testing?`
`04:32.20`	`inc\|freaky`	`i just said good morning ;D`
`04:32.27`	`inc\|freaky`	`leaving for school soon :(`
`04:32.28`	`inc\|freaky`	`that sucks`
`04:32.32`	`MrXerox`	`sanx, yes`
`04:32.40`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, wonderbar`
`04:32.47`	`inc\|freaky`	`jair: its wunderbar ;D`
`04:32.49`	`SimonRaven`	`good morning to you too.`
`04:32.50`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, hallo :)`
`04:32.51`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: According to http://packages.debian.org/testing/source/xine-lib, indeed it can't be satisfied.`
`04:32.54`	`inc\|freaky`	`hallo :D`
`04:33.05`	`k0walski`	`How should I set the options that Openntpd runs with at boot?`
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`04:33.13`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, are you deutch?`
`04:33.18`	`inc\|freaky`	`yes i am ;D`
`04:33.23`	`jair`	`dautch`
`04:33.26`	`inc\|freaky`	`deutsch`
`04:33.28`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Get the source, get build deps manually, and disable aalib, if you really want.`
`04:33.31`	`jair`	`right hahah`
`04:33.34`	`inc\|freaky`	`:p`
`04:33.47`	`inc\|freaky`	`i luv germany :D`
`04:33.51`	`inc\|freaky`	`andi luv debian :D`
`04:33.54`	`inc\|freaky`	`for server os ^^`
`04:33.54`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, where?`
`04:33.56`	`sanxiyn`	`I guess this build dependency was intentionally(?) broken by release team to do their magic?`
`04:34.01`	`inc\|freaky`	`baden-württemberg`
`04:34.03`	`MrXerox`	`sanx,if I was not running testing would it have worked?`
`04:34.03`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, I am going in december`
`04:34.10`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Yes.`
`04:34.12`	`inc\|freaky`	`jair: hehe, poor you ;D where do u live?`
`04:34.13`	`MrXerox`	`damn`
`04:34.21`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, Chicago IL`
`04:34.23`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Usually, testing should have no build-dep problem,`
`04:34.25`	`inc\|freaky`	`kewl ^^`
`04:34.34`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, I wanted to go though since long time ago`
`04:34.35`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: However, sometimes they are "intentionally" broken. Don't ask me.`
`04:34.47`	`inc\|freaky`	`jair: what u going to do here?`
`04:34.50`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, I am having a very weird message on my debian box`
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`04:34.59`	`MrXerox`	`Well, Im kinda a n00b so doing stuff manually is gonna be a biatch :)`
`04:35.05`	`wolfjb`	`k0walski: not an expert, but I'm not sure the daemon actually changes the system clock, I think a different program ntpdate does that. however in either case it would need a network connection to work.`
`04:35.08`	`SimonRaven`	`ohnoz`
`04:35.10`	`inc\|freaky`	`jair: ;)`
`04:35.16`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Why do you want rebuild from source, by the way?`
`04:35.19`	`inc\|freaky`	`i gotto go very soon just finishes smoking my cig`
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`04:35.37`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, I will be visiting some friends and also try to find a IT company to stay and learn deutsch`
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`04:35.42`	`SimonRaven`	`read my mind`
`04:35.49`	`rutski89`	`can you make fat32 under linux`
`04:35.50`	`inc\|freaky`	`jair: oh, that will be hard i guess`
`04:35.54`	`rutski89`	`mkfat32fs /dev/hda1 ?`
`04:35.54`	`inc\|freaky`	`rutski89: no`
`04:36.01`	`MrXerox`	`Im installing vdr with a budget dvb card and using a xine plugin for video output`
`04:36.05`	`wolfjb`	`k0walski: in my case (on my laptop) if I don't have my network card plugged in soon enough in the boot sequence nptdate doesn't run, but the daemon will start anyway`
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`04:36.19`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, I heard that they have a special visa for IT workers`
`04:36.24`	`inc\|freaky`	`well, gotto go ;D bye all ;D have a nice day ;D`
`04:36.26`	`encompass`	`I can't ligin to my system with ssh can someone help me figure out the probleeeeem?`
`04:36.31`	`inc\|freaky`	`jair: yea, something like that ;)`
`04:36.36`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Eh, does that need xine build...?`
`04:36.37`	`inc\|freaky`	`jair: i just know nothing about it sry`
`04:36.42`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, and maybe the salary is not better than US but I will learn the deutsch :)`
`04:36.45`	`SimonRaven`	`encompass: just ask. much easier`
`04:36.56`	`inc\|freaky`	`jair: german is harder than english ;)`
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`04:37.03`	`MrXerox`	`sanx, yes, it uses a xine plugin for vdr`
`04:37.04`	`inc\|freaky`	`jair: thats what all say`
`04:37.09`	`inc\|freaky`	`jair: well, gtg ;)`
`04:37.14`	`inc\|freaky`	`jair: cya this evening maybe ;D`
`04:37.23`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, I learned english, all I know in 3 years`
`04:37.28`	`inc\|freaky`	`hehe ;D`
`04:37.33`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, ok see you`
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`04:37.35`	`inc\|freaky`	`we have one from equador in our class`
`04:37.39`	`inc\|freaky`	`cya ;D`
`04:37.42`	`inc\|freaky`	`~gone`
`04:37.43`	`apt`	`Newsreader for the Gnome Desktop Environment. URL: http://www.mvdstreek.cistron.nl/gone/`
`04:37.43`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, coo`
`04:37.51`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: But you don't need to build xine from source to do that.`
`04:37.52`	`encompass`	`I tried to ssh into my computer that is running linux with my computer running windows and it says it can't connect. what is my problem?`
`04:37.52`	`jair`	`inc\|freaky, I am from Venezuela though`
`04:37.55`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Just get libxine-dev.`
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`04:38.31`	`glick`	`excuse me how would i apply to have a fortune LAW placed into the offical fortune database`
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`04:38.35`	`jair`	`sanxiyn, so then my file system is damaged somehow?`
`04:38.39`	`Morgan`	`ahi all`
`04:38.43`	`Morgan`	`i need a perlbot`
`04:38.44`	`sanxiyn`	`jair: Who knows...?`
`04:38.45`	`Morgan`	`where i can get one ?`
`04:38.55`	`Morgan`	`shellbot`
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`04:38.58`	`sanxiyn`	`jair: For some reason, your disk is read-only now.`
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`04:39.02`	`wolfjb`	`encompass: does the linux box allow password authentication? are you using putty? did you specify the correct case for you username (assuming you did something like slogin user@host)?`
`04:39.11`	`MrXerox`	`sanx, same error on that one`
`04:39.17`	`SimonRaven`	`encompass: without more info, we can't help much`
`04:39.26`	`Morgan`	`where i can get one shellbot ?`
`04:39.27`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Eh?`
`04:39.32`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: I mean, "apt-get install libxine-dev".`
`04:39.47`	`encompass`	`I starts a service on the linux side with ssh 192.168.11.3 which is the linux system`
`04:39.50`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: And continue with vdr(?) plugin building.`
`04:39.58`	`MrXerox`	`ok, ill try that...thanks`
`04:40.00`	`Morgan`	`where i can get one shellbot ?`
`04:40.01`	`Morgan`	`where i can get one shellbot ?`
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`04:40.33`	`encompass`	`then I logged into the ssh on the same system ttttto see if ti worked. by typing ssh 192.168.11.3 and then the password and I was in.`
`04:40.36`	`jair`	`sanxiyn, I think I am having a bad hd`
`04:40.51`	`encompass`	`then I installed openssh for windows on my windows xp box`
`04:41.17`	`SimonRaven`	`blink`
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`04:41.51`	`encompass`	`trying to login with the same command: ssh 192.168.11.3 and it says something about a finger print I say yes and then it tells me I can't connect`
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`04:42.21`	`SimonRaven`	`you need to give more details. "the devil is in the details"`
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`04:42.40`	`encompass`	`hmm, let me see what the command tells me...`
`04:42.40`	`wolfjb`	`encompass: also try ssh user@192.168.11.3 where user is the account on the linux box you are trying to login as`
`04:42.49`	`encompass`	`oh ok`
`04:42.52`	`encompass`	`let me see`
`04:43.53`	`xuniluser`	`Yahoo and Micro$oft to merge IMs?`
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`04:43.54`	`encompass`	`ok here the last line of the error, after I type "yes"...`
`04:44.26`	`sanxiyn`	`xuniluser: Source?`
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`04:44.27`	`Christophe971`	`hello`
`04:44.32`	`secher`	`I need a hand solving a puzzle. I'm using a debian box as my gateway/firewall. For some unknown reason, only select packets are being let through. For instance, it'll let maps.google.com through, but not yahoo.com. I've already swapped out the nic in the gateway, and replaced my hub ( I've been using an old 10mbps smart hub which I swappwd with a 100mbps dumb hub ). From the gateway itself, all is well. Oh, FTP and HTTP (at le`
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`04:45.27`	`encompass`	`Failed to add the host to the list of known hosts <home and a buch of dirsssssss>`
`04:45.31`	`secher`	`I"ve set no rules to block certain sites either.`
`04:45.47`	`encompass`	`sorry about the typing it is because I am in vnc`
`04:45.59`	`k0walski`	`I'm trying to setup openntpd to update my system clock at boot, and also run as a daemon, How do I set the arguments that openntpd runs with at boot? Also, I can't figure out what arguments it needs to update the clock at boot.`
`04:46.07`	`Christophe971`	`do you know THE faq to know how to manipulate package .deb (create, modifiy, etc...), I had STFW and RTFM and i didn't found that superfaq.`
`04:46.07`	`wolfjb`	`encompass: do you have a HOME environment variable setup? do you have write access to that directory?`
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`04:46.54`	`encompass`	`yeah, I think so`
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`04:47.21`	`encompass`	`but why can I ssh into the system when it is locale but not on this windows system`
`04:47.22`	`wolfjb`	`encompass: the message sounds like it is trying to write to a file called $HOME/.ssh/known_hosts and it can't, or it can't find the file to write to it`
`04:47.40`	`encompass`	`hmm`
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`04:48.00`	`sanxiyn`	`Christophe971: "manipulate .deb"?`
`04:48.10`	`Christophe971`	`sanxiyn: yes`
`04:48.11`	`wolfjb`	`encompass: you might also try putty (google for putty windows ssh)`
`04:48.12`	`sanxiyn`	`Christophe971: You install it with dpkg. :-)`
`04:48.23`	`Christophe971`	`i want to know how to create one`
`04:48.31`	`encompass`	`woah, umm ok, now it works`
`04:48.31`	`Christophe971`	`and everythings about it`
`04:48.35`	`wolfjb`	`encompass: I've had more success with it from windows to ssh to linux`
`04:48.41`	`wolfjb`	`encompass: cool!`
`04:48.47`	`sanxiyn`	`Christophe971: http://www.debian.org/devel/`
`04:48.54`	`Christophe971`	`mmm`
`04:48.56`	`encompass`	`the jason ip.add.res. worked`
`04:48.57`	`sanxiyn`	`Christophe971: There's much to learn :-)`
`04:49.03`	`Christophe971`	`okay :))`
`04:49.04`	`encompass`	`user= jjjjjason`
`04:49.09`	`sanxiyn`	`Christophe971: I recommend starting with http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/`
`04:49.20`	`sanxiyn`	`"New Maintainer's Guide"`
`04:49.26`	`Christophe971`	`thanks`
`04:49.27`	`encompass`	`sheesh, heck if I know what I did wwwwwrong`
`04:49.32`	`encompass`	`anyway, thanks guys`
`04:49.32`	`Christophe971`	`sanxiyn: thank you`
`04:49.36`	`wolfjb`	`encompass: np`
`04:49.45`	`encompass`	`see you laters`
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`04:50.14`	`xuniluser`	`sanxiyn: /.`
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`04:50.58`	`encompass`	`and look now I am sshed into my computer... this is great`
`04:51.07`	`encompass`	`now for my next question....`
`04:51.28`	`encompass`	`Does debian come with a starter config file that I can use for my kernel compiles?`
`04:52.19`	`encompass`	`anyone here?`
`04:52.31`	`Christophe971`	`god damn, i prefer #debian to #debian-fr, even if i'm french :) there's to much trollers there :)`
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`04:52.49`	`xuniluser`	`xuniluser: slashdot`
`04:53.00`	`encompass`	`anyone know?`
`04:53.17`	`encompass`	`darn, well guess not`
`04:53.20`	`sanxiyn`	`xuniluser: Oh, very interesting.`
`04:53.37`	`sanxiyn`	`xuniluser: So this is server-level message forwarding?`
`04:53.43`	`encompass`	`see ya later fellows and fellets`
`04:54.25`	`sanxiyn`	`xuniluser: I don't think they will merge the protocol, or make their clients multi-protocol...`
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`04:57.44`	`belgarion42`	`So is Debian all that special?`
`04:57.50`	`sanxiyn`	`belgarion42: Yes.`
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`04:58.29`	`belgarion42`	`Better than other distros?`
`04:59.03`	`sanxiyn`	`belgarion42: Yes.`
`04:59.09`	`sanxiyn`	`belgarion42: What did you expect from #debian?`
`04:59.18`	`[Cadet]`	`belgarion42: The best distribution is the one you spend the time to read documentation and learn, but yes to most of us debian is that one`
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`04:59.57`	`xuniluser`	`sanxiyn: they're planning to allow YM users to communicate with MSN users and vv`
`04:59.58`	`sanxiyn`	`[Cadet]: Some distributions are crappy even if you read the docs. :-)`
`05:00.18`	`sanxiyn`	`xuniluser: Yes, and I wonder how it would be implemented.`
`05:00.37`	`sanxiyn`	`Seriously, they could just all switch to Jabber for protocol.`
`05:00.43`	`[Cadet]`	`Depends, main stream ones are pretty much the same`
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`05:02.30`	`belgarion42`	`I'm just wondering if it would be worth it to switch. Right now I'm using SuSE.`
`05:02.38`	`ghost_adsf`	`Is there a howto or easy way in debian to build e17 than just using cvs to download it all and install it by hand? :/`
`05:02.47`	`SimonRaven`	`sanxiyn: indeed. but much simpler, and jabber would get the attention it deserves`
`05:02.48`	`Christophe971`	`(autothinking... "debian roxxx")`
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`05:02.55`	`SimonRaven`	`sanxiyn: s/but/be/`
`05:03.18`	`sanxiyn`	`If they want to have closed network, it's also possible with Jabber.`
`05:03.25`	`SimonRaven`	`belgarion42: you can always make yourself a debian sarge chroot, and experiment`
`05:03.25`	`sanxiyn`	`Just don't forward messages to outside world.`
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`05:03.36`	`[Cadet]`	`belgarion42: The fact that you are in here gives a hint. Must be something wrong with suse or you would not even be thinking of switching`
`05:03.46`	`SimonRaven`	`uh hunh`
`05:03.51`	`sanxiyn`	`[Cadet]: Well, for example, you don't run SUSE on PowerPC, do you?`
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`05:04.10`	`SimonRaven`	`sid has 12 arches it supports`
`05:04.16`	`[Cadet]`	`sanxiyn: Nope I run OS X on my PPC machine`
`05:04.43`	`sanxiyn`	`"[Cadet]: mainstream ones are pretty much the same"`
`05:04.53`	`sanxiyn`	`Well, they may be, on x86.`
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`05:05.09`	`foo`	`Anyone got steam working with cedega on debian?`
`05:05.13`	`[Cadet]`	`sanxiyn: I stand by that also, is linux on ppc main stream?`
`05:05.27`	`sanxiyn`	`[Cadet]: Debian works well. Yellow dog linux works well, I heard.`
`05:05.33`	`SimonRaven`	`[Cadet]: yes`
`05:05.37`	`Christophe971`	`(ubuntu too)`
`05:05.38`	`MrXerox`	`sanx, now I get a: dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.`
`05:05.42`	`[Cadet]`	`sanxiyn: I didn't say it didn't work well`
`05:05.45`	`SimonRaven`	`ydl is a pita. has all the problems of rh`
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`05:05.53`	`MrXerox`	`when running dpkg-buildpackage`
`05:06.08`	`[Cadet]`	`If my nic is ever suppoted I'll probably run debian on my emac`
`05:06.11`	`sanxiyn`	`SimonRaven: Well, still many uses rh. :-)`
`05:06.17`	`[Cadet]`	`Until then it is osx`
`05:06.34`	`[Cadet]`	`No wire here in the bedroom`
`05:06.37`	`SimonRaven`	`i have 2 ppc boxen that run debian, and maintain several more`
`05:06.39`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: What are you building?`
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`05:07.32`	`MrXerox`	`I configured the xine-lib with ./autogen.sh`
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`05:07.48`	`MrXerox`	`and it looked like it worked`
`05:07.48`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: ...`
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`05:07.53`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Why o why`
`05:08.19`	`MrXerox`	`sanx, can I pm you a url i am following?`
`05:08.21`	`glick`	`the more blinking lights a peice of hardware has, the more impressed people are by it`
`05:08.34`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: You can write to the channel.`
`05:08.40`	`MrXerox`	`http://www.hoochvdr.info/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=118&highlight=xine`
`05:08.43`	`glick`	`blinkity LEDs = good`
`05:09.08`	`MrXerox`	`sanx, im in the middle of the page`
`05:09.16`	`sanxiyn`	`glick: Das Blinkenlights ist a Word for ze tings on der front of der computer!`
`05:09.25`	`[Cadet]`	`You guys should be very impressed by san storage`
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`05:09.40`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Requires registration.`
`05:09.46`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: No thanks.`
`05:09.52`	`MrXerox`	`ack`
`05:10.14`	`MrXerox`	`ok, thanks anyway...`
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`05:10.38`	`sanxiyn`	`glick: See also http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/blinkenlights.html`
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`05:10.49`	`MrXerox`	`sanx, is there an easier way to install xine?`
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`05:11.16`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Huh?`
`05:11.17`	`Guerin`	`MrXerox: apt-get install xine should wrk`
`05:11.19`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: apt-get install xine.`
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`05:11.37`	`sanxiyn`	`Eh, actually, xine-ui.`
`05:11.45`	`MrXerox`	`ok, ty`
`05:11.50`	`quetK`	`hello, any one know why cedega can't read cdrom?`
`05:11.56`	`poonj`	`hey ugys`
`05:11.56`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Why are you trying dpkg-buildpackage, after all.`
`05:12.03`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Because HOWTO says so?`
`05:12.05`	`poonj`	`is it possible to revert back to an older version of kde using apt?`
`05:12.28`	`sanxiyn`	`poonj: Sure, it's your computer.`
`05:12.28`	`MrXerox`	`Im an ubern00b :)`
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`05:12.45`	`Guerin`	`there's a hard way to do everything`
`05:12.47`	`Guerin`	`ironi`
`05:12.48`	`Guerin`	`cally,`
`05:12.49`	`poonj`	`so I just change the apt repositories to from testing to stable`
`05:12.50`	`glick`	`haha`
`05:12.52`	`sanxiyn`	`MrXerox: Well, if you can try building Debian package from source, you aren't that n00b.`
`05:12.53`	`poonj`	`and then uninstall kde`
`05:13.00`	`Guerin`	`n00bs try to find the hardest way possible to do everything`
`05:13.01`	`poonj`	`uninstall/reinstall?`
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`05:13.11`	`pabs3`	`anyone else getting a bunch of these errors from apt-listbugs? W: not in gzip format: curl`
`05:13.16`	`xuniluser`	`sanxiyn: the article did not mention any... i've also read about google-sun partnership`
`05:13.26`	`Guerin`	`quetK: #winehq`
`05:13.36`	`SimonRaven`	`pabs3: dunno, i got that too, i removed apt-listbugs until i can figure it out`
`05:13.56`	`pabs3`	`SimonRaven: hmm, perhaps a bug should be filed?`
`05:14.25`	`sanxiyn`	`I think it's a temporary problem, but...`
`05:14.28`	`SimonRaven`	`indeed. but i want to see what could be wrong first. but don't let that stop you from filing one`
`05:14.31`	`sanxiyn`	`(re: apt-listbugs)`
`05:15.01`	`pabs3`	`I'm gonna try upgrading a few packages at a time`
`05:15.37`	`SimonRaven`	`ok`
`05:15.56`	`pabs3`	`Bugs of the following packages couldn't be fetched:`
`05:15.56`	`pabs3`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:15.56`	`pabs3`	`Assuming that there is no bugs of these packages.`
`05:16.11`	`pabs3`	`hmm`
`05:16.36`	`SimonRaven`	`others too. i think it might have to do with the fact, that indeed, they don't have bugs, so there's nothing to extract`
`05:16.37`	`pabs3`	`probly the bts has changed it's interface or something`
`05:17.17`	`SimonRaven`	`yes, but apt-lb coped with that (or was changed). besides, it doesn't fetch data direct from the bts, but from a site in .jp`
`05:17.32`	`quetK`	`Guerin, but cedega use other configuration than wine`
`05:17.49`	`SimonRaven`	`oh haydn, why do you try to send me spam e-mail? sigh`
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`05:18.27`	`pabs3`	`looks like there are 4 bugs already about it (old ones too): http://bugs.debian.org/249758 http://bugs.debian.org/245232 http://bugs.debian.org/244555 http://bugs.debian.org/312853`
`05:18.29`	`KrLoS`	`hi every body......`
`05:18.47`	`SimonRaven`	`ah ha`
`05:19.48`	`KrLoS`	`if some one is near to Peru, we are making the first debian users meeting in Peru... maked by Debian Arequipa, we call it ConclaDeb`
`05:20.07`	`KrLoS`	`it will be november 25 y 26`
`05:20.37`	`SimonRaven`	`nice. maybe you shoul;d post that to debian-user and debian-user-es? (the mailing lists)`
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`05:21.29`	`KrLoS`	`http://www.debianarequipa.org/?q=concladeb2005`
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`05:21.40`	`KrLoS`	`tha page is writed in spanish`
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`05:22.05`	`pabs3`	`SimonRaven: probably debian-devel-spanish too`
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`05:22.41`	`sanxiyn`	`http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/graphics/gefingerpoken.jpg`
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`05:23.53`	`KrLoS`	`yes.. i goona post today`
`05:23.58`	`KrLoS`	`yes.. i goona post it today`
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`05:24.42`	`KrLoS`	`i gona post to the debian-user-es`
`05:25.02`	`Christophe971`	`the english export is en.US.UTF-8 ?`
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`05:25.16`	`Christophe971`	`en_US.UTF-8 i guess`
`05:25.17`	`sayonara`	`hi folks`
`05:25.26`	`Christophe971`	`ojayo sayonara`
`05:25.34`	`Christophe971`	`ohayo*`
`05:25.44`	`sayonara`	`how can i find out on which /dev/* a usb device connects when i plug it in?`
`05:25.50`	`KrLoS`	`if some one have the debian-user and debian-devel-spanis address list... please give that for posting in this list too`
`05:25.56`	`sayonara`	`hi Christophe971`
`05:26.24`	`pabs3`	`KrLoS: debian-user@lists.debian.org and debian-devel-spanish@lists.debian.org`
`05:26.29`	`servus`	`sayonara: grep usb /var/log/messages ?`
`05:26.47`	`KrLoS`	`thnks pabs3`
`05:26.59`	`SimonRaven`	`pabs3: yeh`
`05:27.11`	`jair`	`guys I need a mirror to download the cd-drivers.img and the net-drivers.img`
`05:27.36`	`sayonara`	`servus: this is the log entry "new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2", but no /dev/* whatsoever`
`05:28.00`	`jair`	`I am using a windows machine to create the floppies, but for some reason the ones are not wroking is cd-drivers.img and the net-drivers.img`
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`05:28.26`	`k0walski`	`ok lets say I added 05 * * * * ntpdate to my crontab.. it's gonna execute ntpdate on the 05 of every hour, it isn't gonna email the user who that is to ran as is it?`
`05:28.47`	`dorto`	`can someone give me a small list(3-4) of mp3 players(GUI) other than xmms for debian?`
`05:29.18`	`sayonara`	`dorto: beep-media-player`
`05:29.29`	`sayonara`	`xfmedia`
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`05:29.44`	`sayonara`	`rhythmbox`
`05:29.46`	`sayonara`	`amarok`
`05:29.49`	`Christophe971`	`what's the main difference between bmp and xmms ?`
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`05:30.03`	`sayonara`	`Christophe971: bmp uses gtk2`
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`05:30.11`	`sayonara`	`xmms 'only' gtk`
`05:30.23`	`Christophe971`	`kool`
`05:30.36`	`Christophe971`	`i'd better say : "gcool" :)`
`05:30.41`	`sayonara`	`:)`
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`05:31.26`	`servus`	`sayonara: apt-get install lsusb`
`05:31.46`	`jair`	`I am trying to create the floppies fro the sarge installation and for some reason the rawrite do not want to copy the net-drivers.img and the cd-drivers.img`
`05:31.46`	`woodland`	`if i want to install minimum of gnome which package/s should i install`
`05:32.01`	`sayonara`	`servus: i have that already, it just says : "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 066f:8000 SigmaTel, Inc."`
`05:32.39`	`servus`	`cat /proc/bus/usb/devices`
`05:32.52`	`servus`	`Will that help? I'm not sure I understand :)`
`05:32.59`	`servus`	`What sort of USB device are you trying to use?`
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`05:35.05`	`sayonara`	`servus: its a usb-stick (with mp3 player) and what i wanted to know is how i can find out the /dev/sd* which i have to mount the usb stick (like mount -t vfat /dev/sd?? /mnt/usb)`
`05:35.52`	`sayonara`	`you know, when i plug in the usb stick it connects to some /dev/sd?? device and i want to know how i can find out to which /dev/sd??`
`05:36.24`	`jm_`	`sayonara: kernel logs tell you - alternatively, you can make it a static name with udev`
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`05:36.38`	`jm_`	`also check /proc/partitions`
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`05:36.55`	`k0walski`	`I'm trying to get ntpdate to run at BOOT.. where in the init scripts should I put it? I don't understand all this rc4 and rc5 crazyiness!`
`05:37.40`	`k0walski`	`is there like an rc.local or something/`
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`05:37.46`	`saik0`	`Anybody using XFCE 4.2 out there than could recommend a decent gtk terminal emulator (xtermianl has dependency issues in sarge)`
`05:38.25`	`sayonara`	`jm_: when i watch kernel logs / lsusb / /proc/bus/usb/devices all i get is like the bus id and device number, but no /dev/sd??`
`05:38.37`	`sayonara`	`maybe something on my system is broken?`
`05:38.40`	`servus`	`sayonara: Hmm, it should say in the /var/log/messages. Maybe you just don't have the hotplug stuff for it?`
`05:39.09`	`jm_`	`sayonara: yes you do, like this -- kernel: SCSI device sda: - maybe you don't have some required modules loaded`
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`05:39.36`	`servus`	`I don't remember what lsmod _should_ show :)`
`05:40.25`	`terrencevak`	`Can someone suggest how I can fix my console so it shows the whole screen?`
`05:40.25`	`servus`	`Did you apt-get install usbview && usbview?`
`05:41.22`	`servus`	`sayonara: What dose usbmodules --device /proc/bus/usb/001/002 tell you?`
`05:41.42`	`sayonara`	`guys, you where right, now i loaded sg and usb-storage and now it works`
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`05:41.49`	`sayonara`	`thank you very much :)`
`05:42.03`	`servus`	`That'll be 5 shillings.`
`05:42.10`	`Christophe971`	`wich kernel is immunised for the local root exploit ?`
`05:42.17`	`dorto`	`how to make debian use ALSA permanently?`
`05:42.31`	`dorto`	`i change OSS to AlSA and after reboot it again uses OSS`
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`05:42.57`	`brian_`	`does anybody know anything about java security programing?`
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`05:52.41`	`dli`	`I need a usb mass storage howto`
`05:53.18`	`dorto`	`buy a usb portable hard disk`
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`05:54.21`	`pacman`	`modprobe usb-storage ; fdisk -l /dev/sda`
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`05:55.04`	`pabs3`	`anyone using the linux-image 2.6.13 package from experimental?`
`05:55.15`	`dli`	`pacman: I always get " usb 1-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110"`
`05:55.28`	`woodland`	`if i want to install minimum of gnome which package/s should i install`
`05:55.39`	`pabs3`	`woodland: gnome-core`
`05:55.39`	`pacman`	`oh, that sounds unpleasant.`
`05:55.42`	`nimak`	`!polls`
`05:55.42`	`dpkg`	`"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>`
`05:55.47`	`woodland`	`ok`
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`05:56.32`	`woodland`	`pabs3, if i install gnome-core instead of gnome how much space will i save`
`05:57.07`	`pabs3`	`dunno, if you try it in aptitude, it will show you how much space the operation will use`
`05:57.30`	`terrencevak`	`Somehow, in setting up my new debian system, my console screen is more lines than my monitor shows. How can I fix this?`
`05:57.44`	`woodland`	`pabs3, can i use apt to dothat`
`05:57.48`	`pacman`	`turn the vertical hold knob counterclockwise?`
`05:58.09`	`pacman`	`apt-get install always tells me how much space will be used.`
`05:58.23`	`terrencevak`	`pacman Vertical hold knob? I don't think I have one of those.`
`05:58.33`	`dli`	`pacman: do I need scsi disk support? maybe that's the reason for the error message`
`05:59.42`	`pacman`	`that was probably a joke.`
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`05:59.46`	`pacman`	`are you saying that when you are on the bottom line of the screen you can still move the cursor down, and it goes all the way off the screen?`
`06:00.12`	`liable`	`meh, anyone have a good up to date link for secure authorised mail relaying for exim4?`
`06:00.17`	`pacman`	`scsi disk support is part of it, that's the /dev/sd* driver. But even if it's missing, you shouldn't get those ugly USB errors`
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`06:00.48`	`terrencevak`	`pacman: Basically. I'm at the bottom of the screen, but the line I'm on doesn't show.`
`06:00.59`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: what is missing in exim4's Debian documentation?`
`06:01.04`	`pacman`	`are you sure you don't just need to adjust your monitor?`
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`06:01.31`	`terrencevak`	`pacman I don't think so; it was fine earlier.`
`06:01.47`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: apparently, i cant make sense of it :P`
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`06:01.57`	`terrencevak`	`pacman: And X comes up correctly.`
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`06:02.51`	`Guerin`	`terrencevak: i've struck that before. Try passing vga=xxx to the kernel, where xxx is a code you know works`
`06:03.04`	`Guerin`	`terrencevak: 789 is 800x600x24, which should be safe`
`06:03.19`	`pacman`	`well, sometimes there is different amount of black border around the screen in different video modes. If you have the monitor adjusted perfectly for X so it goes all the way to the edges of the screen, you will very likely be missing a few rows or columns in text mode. have you TRIED turning down the height control ont he monitor? it will take you 5 seconds to try, far less time than you've spent telling me why you don't w`
`06:03.32`	`Guerin`	`terrencevak: that is a symptom of knoppices, which defaultly choose some stupidly high resolution like 1280x1024`
`06:03.55`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: which parts of Debian's exim4 configuration did you read?`
`06:04.44`	`terrencevak`	`pacman: If there is a hight control, I don't see it; I've pushed every button on the thing.`
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`06:05.07`	`wireddd`	`is it an lcd monitor?`
`06:05.12`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: smtp_auth, debian-readme.gz, reading the example .template, various web pages, man exim4-config..`
`06:05.16`	`pacman`	`if you don't know where the vertical squish thingy is on your monitor...`
`06:06.19`	`pacman`	`it's usually represented by a symbole that looks like a box with arrows pointing left and right [<-->]`
`06:06.25`	`pacman`	`s/symbole/symbol/`
`06:06.39`	`terrencevak`	`Guerin: How do I pass that vga code?`
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`06:06.48`	`pacman`	`oops, you want the up and down one though.`
`06:06.50`	`atrus`	`or up and down in the case of a vertical adjustment. :)`
`06:07.00`	`terrencevak`	`pacman I don't have quite enough sight to make out those little buttons.`
`06:07.27`	`jm_`	`then reading monitor's manual is in order`
`06:07.27`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: and what seems to be the problem?`
`06:07.55`	`Guerin`	`terrencevak: tack vga=789 on the end of the 'kernel' line in menu/list`
`06:07.59`	`pacman`	`if you must adjust the text mode, you can do it with SVGATextMode. rebooting just so you can put vga= on the kernel command line is so barbaric!`
`06:08.22`	`jm_`	`as long as stm supports your modern card, chances of that are rather low`
`06:08.30`	`Guerin`	`yeah, I never got it to work`
`06:08.33`	`jm_`	`for*`
`06:08.48`	`dli`	`how do I know it's running stable or testing`
`06:08.52`	`saik0`	`ANyone using XFCE 4.2 that can point me in the direction of a decent gtk terminal emulator with about a bunch of gnome libs`
`06:08.57`	`Guerin`	`dli: you installed it.`
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`06:09.10`	`dli`	`Guerin, thanks, useless answers`
`06:09.11`	`jm_`	`saik0: why GTK?`
`06:09.11`	`Guerin`	`saik0: rxvt-unicode`
`06:09.12`	`cantona_`	`any good socks5 package for debian?`
`06:09.25`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: i am stupid? :) nm, i'll keep trudging through it, till i bang it into my head.`
`06:09.30`	`jm_`	`!tell cantona_ -about search`
`06:09.32`	`Guerin`	`dli: cat /etc/debian_version; peruse /etc/apt/sources.list`
`06:09.50`	`jm_`	`useless Debian user too`
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`06:09.55`	`Guerin`	`rather`
`06:10.03`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: sorry, I am the author of most docs, and so I have difficulties to see what might be missing. If I know wha were missing, I'd have added it long ago.`
`06:10.13`	`Zugschlus`	`if you find out what is missing, please let me know`
`06:10.14`	`saik0`	`jm_, why not. just a preference. I like a nice integrated looking desktop`
`06:10.17`	`terrencevak`	`pacman: I don't seem to have SVGATextMode.`
`06:10.49`	`terrencevak`	`And if I have a monitor manual, I have no idea where it is.`
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`06:10.57`	`jm_`	`saik0: I am not aware of any such beasts, maybe multi-gnome-terminal, but I prefer mrxvt`
`06:11.03`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: once i work out what i dont understand, i will let you know.`
`06:11.03`	`pacman`	`fine, go ahead and reboot like a freaking windoze user because you don't like your video mode. I give up.`
`06:11.12`	`jm_`	`or maybe something that's using VTE`
`06:11.40`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: thanks`
`06:12.11`	`jm_`	`I can upgrade to 2.6 and finish Sarge upgrade now that I had to kill my X server ;)`
`06:12.11`	`terrencevak`	`pacman: Is the SVGATextMode command in a package somewhere?`
`06:12.13`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: maybe it might be the following: _secure_ _authentication_ is a problem in two parts: First authenticate, and then make the authentication secure.`
`06:12.28`	`terrencevak`	`pacman: I'm willing to use it once I find it.`
`06:12.33`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: the Debian exim4 packages won't by default advertise any authentication messages over unencrypted connections`
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`06:12.48`	`Zugschlus`	`s/messages/methods/`
`06:13.21`	`Zugschlus`	`so you need to set up TLS first (there is a chapter in README.Debian.gz) for that, and then set up authentication by enabling the server-side authenticators you want`
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`06:13.37`	`litage`	`any suggestions for configuring hdparm?`
`06:13.40`	`jepagodo`	`how do i sync the time with a server?`
`06:13.53`	`Guerin`	`jepagodo: install ntpdate`
`06:13.57`	`jepagodo`	`ok`
`06:14.08`	`Guerin`	`litage: if you don't know what you need to do, you don't need to`
`06:14.51`	`saik0`	`Guerin: anything shiner =P u know tabs and whatnot`
`06:15.50`	`litage`	`Guerin: and if i want to learn?`
`06:16.06`	`jm_`	`litage: in that case /msg dpkg wayttd`
`06:16.25`	`litage`	`thanks jm_`
`06:16.37`	`litage`	`hah`
`06:16.42`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: ok, lemme see how i go`
`06:17.03`	`litage`	`jm_: i've heard that hdparm can be used to give significant HD performance increases. thus, i'm interested`
`06:17.36`	`jm_`	`litage: yes, it might, but why not check how the disks are configured right now?`
`06:17.45`	`litage`	`jm_: how does one do that?`
`06:17.58`	`jm_`	`litage: what do you see in /proc/ide?`
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`06:19.04`	`litage`	`jm_: an empty drivers file, links to ide0/hda and ide1/hdc, and directories ide0 and ide1`
`06:19.14`	`jm_`	`litage: but no file with driver name?`
`06:19.17`	`litage`	`jm_: and an empty file named "piix"`
`06:19.23`	`jm_`	`litage: it's not empty file, cat it`
`06:19.33`	`jm_`	`litage: then paste it on some pastebin`
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`06:19.35`	`litage`	`ah`
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`06:20.44`	`Christophe971`	`QuickQuestion: When you do and apt-cache policy, the "Depends: " means ALL DEPENDANCES or only the dependances in the first level ?`
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`06:22.46`	`ke6isf`	`Christophe971: you mean 'apt-cache show', and it shows all dependencies.`
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`06:23.46`	`Christophe971`	`ke6isf: oh yes`
`06:23.51`	`Christophe971`	`cool`
`06:24.00`	`pacman`	`you could describe the Depends header as "first-level" dependencies... the dependencies of the dependencies are not there, you have to look them up recursively`
`06:24.01`	`Christophe971`	`even if this dependances are already installed ?`
`06:24.11`	`jm_`	`maybe he meant recursive dependencies - it doesn't show those, there's another tool for that`
`06:24.14`	`jm_`	`easy to find`
`06:24.29`	`jm_`	`yes, it doesn't matter if it's installed or not - i shows all dependencies`
`06:24.32`	`jm_`	`it*`
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`06:25.03`	`ke6isf`	`Christophe971: Yes.`
`06:25.04`	`jm_`	`litage: come on, be quick or be dead as the song says`
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`06:25.15`	`Christophe971`	`'kay 'kay`
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`06:25.20`	`Christophe971`	`thanks`
`06:25.28`	`nimak`	`i need a good midi player`
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`06:25.51`	`pacman`	`is timidity "good"?`
`06:26.06`	`nimak`	`if it works, it is`
`06:26.09`	`ke6isf`	`pacmac: All software sucks.`
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`06:26.35`	`Christophe971`	`lol`
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`06:27.42`	`mwilson`	`Ah, cool... X -9 tomorrow.`
`06:28.03`	`terrencevak`	`pacman: Found the vertical thing; it's gidden in the menu. I have it all the way as far as it'll go, but I'm still missing lines.`
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`06:28.32`	`nimak`	`new kernels are awesome when they add support for stuff you need supported`
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`06:31.26`	`mwilson`	`Oooh, someone adopted filerunner.`
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`06:32.07`	`sanxiyn`	`mwilson: What is it?`
`06:33.23`	`dli`	`I couldn't get usb hard drive working :( anyone can help?`
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`06:34.00`	`nkuttler`	`dli: it's really easy. do you run a debian kernel?`
`06:34.02`	`maher`	`dli: what kernel`
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`06:34.13`	`mwilson`	`sanxiyn: What is what?`
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`06:34.32`	`dli`	`nkuttler, no, custom kernel`
`06:34.45`	`maher`	`dli: you forgot to compile something - use a standard kernel`
`06:34.48`	`dli`	`maher: I have usb-storage`
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`06:34.59`	`maher`	`dli: there lots of things you need`
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`06:35.14`	`nkuttler`	`dli: google for a howto`
`06:35.19`	`dli`	`maher: I don't really know how to use a standard kernel, the initrd nightmare for me`
`06:35.30`	`pacman`	`dli, did you get the scsi disk support?`
`06:35.36`	`maher`	`dli: apt-get instal kernel-image-whatever`
`06:35.46`	`dli`	`pacman: yes, built-in sd_mod`
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`06:35.54`	`pacman`	`does /proc/devices show the "sd" driver?`
`06:36.10`	`dli`	`maher: than, I get kernel panic at booting, can not mount vfs root or something`
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`06:36.20`	`maher`	`dli: fix your boot loader`
`06:36.42`	`mwilson`	`sanxiyn: Oh, what is filerunner?`
`06:36.47`	`sanxiyn`	`mwilson: Ah, yes.`
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`06:37.18`	`maher`	`dli: are you on obscure or very new hw? is your ide/sata chipset not supprted in standard kernels?`
`06:37.25`	`dli`	`pacman: many sd in /proc/devices, 8 65-135`
`06:37.32`	`mwilson`	`Ok, Mr Maintainer... if you're going to fix the bug according to the changelog... why don't you CLOSE the bug?`
`06:37.48`	`sanxiyn`	`mwilson: Who knows...`
`06:37.52`	`mwilson`	`I know you didn't close the bug in the BTS, 'cause it's MY bug...`
`06:38.06`	`dli`	`maher: just a usb external drive, not new, only 120 GB`
`06:38.21`	`maher`	`dli: no - for your hd you boot off`
`06:38.35`	`pabs3`	`mwilson: apply a cluebat or close it for him/her`
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`06:38.56`	`dli`	`maher: no, initrd is the thing I couldn't figure out with a standard debian kernel`
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`06:39.12`	`mwilson`	`pabs3: Nope. I don't close bugs.`
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`06:39.23`	`maher`	`dli: there's nothng to figure out - install the deb - tell your boot loader to use an initrd`
`06:39.30`	`mwilson`	`pabs3: Maintainers should do their own bug triage.`
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`06:40.08`	`mwilson`	`And of course he doesn't fix the IMPORTANT bug it has.`
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`06:40.16`	`dli`	`maher: I remember I have make the initrd img using cramfsprogs or something`
`06:40.16`	`maher`	`dli: you need to edit lilo.conf on lilo - grub should just cope`
`06:40.21`	`maher`	`dli: no`
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`06:40.33`	`maher`	`dli: install a standard kernel from a .deb`
`06:40.44`	`Nurbs`	`apt-get -o 'DPkg::options={"--force-overwrite";}' install xserver-xorg ... wth am I doing wrong? bah.`
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`06:41.05`	`pabs3`	`mwilson: which bug/package? perhaps he needs to redo the NM :)`
`06:41.07`	`dli`	`maher: it warns about initrd`
`06:41.16`	`maher`	`dli: what does it say?`
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`06:42.00`	`pacman`	`dli, does lsusb show the storage device?`
`06:42.01`	`dli`	`maher, I repeat, You need to configure your boot loader`
`06:42.11`	`dli`	`pacman: lsusb hangs forever`
`06:42.16`	`maher`	`dli: well - configure you boot loader already!`
`06:42.27`	`pacman`	`dli, that sounds bad.`
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`06:42.55`	`maher`	`dli: what boot loader do you use?`
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`06:43.06`	`Nurbs`	`apt-get -o DPkg::options::=--force-overwrite install xserver-xorg ... mhm, undocumented syntax. lovely`
`06:43.10`	`dli`	`maher, grub`
`06:43.15`	`pacman`	`does lsusb work if you don't have the drive plugged in?`
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`06:43.21`	`maher`	`dli: there is some grub config script you can run`
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`06:43.30`	`sanxiyn`	`pacmac: It does show USB port, unplugged.`
`06:43.44`	`dli`	`pacmac, lsusb works before plugging in`
`06:43.50`	`maher`	`dli: probably update-grub`
`06:44.08`	`dli`	`pacman: I'm checking whether I have problems in BIOS`
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`06:44.59`	`mwilson`	`Cute... fr no workie now.`
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`06:45.43`	`sanxiyn`	`Hm, it seems gcc-4.0/gmp testing transition was finally done yesterday.`
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`06:46.20`	`dli`	`maher: you are right, the debian kernel boots easily`
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`06:46.32`	`maher`	`dli: i am always right :)`
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`06:47.06`	`pacman`	`so does lsusb still hang, or was that just a problem with your custom kernel?`
`06:47.09`	`sandman`	`I'm looking for a cell phone that runs linux, is small, but has a high resolution screen`
`06:47.12`	`maher`	`dli: do you have hotplug installed?`
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`06:48.01`	`dli`	`maher, /etc/init.d/hotplug restart, I got seg fault`
`06:48.15`	`maher`	`dli: :(`
`06:48.39`	`maher`	`dli: what version of debian`
`06:48.58`	`dli`	`maher: testing`
`06:49.12`	`maher`	`dli: what kernel`
`06:49.41`	`dli`	`maher, 2.6.12-1-k7`
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`06:50.37`	`dli`	`maher, ipt_LOG logs too much in dmesg, I have remove it`
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`06:51.18`	`mwilson`	`I'm probably the only person that still even uses it. :)`
`06:51.27`	`sanxiyn`	`mwilson: Heh.`
`06:51.34`	`maher`	`dli: oh well - i'm off to bed - have fun debugging - your better off using a standard kernel to this...`
`06:52.08`	`mwilson`	`Yet another maintainer who doesn't test the packages he builds, apparently.`
`06:52.50`	`sanxiyn`	`mwilson: Perhaps you should maintain it :(`
`06:53.28`	`mwilson`	`sanxiyn: Screw that.`
`06:54.06`	`mwilson`	`sanxiyn: (a) I'd never want that kind of responsibility, (b) I'd never be allowed to be, as I'm a PITA.`
`06:54.46`	`sanxiyn`	`Too bad. You can still pester the maintainer, I guess.`
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`06:55.24`	`mwilson`	`sanxiyn: This is why I file bugs. :)`
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`06:55.56`	`sanxiyn`	`I too have filed series of bugs to 4suite until it became usable. :-)`
`06:56.13`	`sanxiyn`	`New 4suite maintainer seems to do good job. Nice.`
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`06:56.57`	`mwilson`	`a2ps only got fixed last year because I yelled and screamed about it... now it's broken again and the patch is IN the BTS, but there's no upload.`
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`06:57.50`	`bisquit`	`Hey people again. I'm sorry to intrude with another question/topic, but... I was wondering about mkfs.ext3 with -T largefile/largefile4 . . . how large files should one be using to get any actual benefit form such?`
`06:58.02`	`Celaborn`	`Does anyone know how to get a Lexmark 510 series working in Linux? I'm using Mepis, which comes with the z600 driver(which most guides say will get it to work) but I've had no success with it printing`
`06:58.40`	`mwilson`	`bisquit: Gee, probably what the man page says, huh?`
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`06:58.53`	`mwilson`	`Celaborn: #mepis`
`06:58.58`	`pacman`	`according to the man page, largefile means one inode per megabyte. so your average file size must be at least 1 meg or you will run out of inodes before running out of space.`
`06:58.59`	`saik0`	`!tell Celaborn about mepis`
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`06:59.35`	`Zrin`	`i need pop3/imap for a small office - what do you recommend?`
`06:59.44`	`dondelelcaro`	`Zrin: dovecot`
`06:59.54`	`bisquit`	`mwilson, Rrrright, and I'm supposed to know that is I get one inode per meg/4megs it is beneficiary when x equals the gravity on the dark side of the moon but only on odd tuesdays.`
`07:00.30`	`bisquit`	`/that is/that if/`
`07:00.37`	`mwilson`	`bisquit: No, actually I doubt it has anything to do with gravity, or the moon, or the day of the week. More likely it has to do with what the man page says.`
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`07:00.48`	`Zrin`	`dondelelcaro: do they work with exim's mailboxes?`
`07:01.13`	`bisquit`	`:P`
`07:01.13`	`Zugschlus`	`Zrin: mailboxes are standardized, so it should work`
`07:01.26`	`Zugschlus`	`dovecot can read normal mailbox format, but I'd recommend using maildir anyway`
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`07:01.41`	`pacman`	`what the man page _doesn't_ say is what the default inode/block ratio is, if none of the options affecting it are used.`
`07:02.17`	`sanxiyn`	`Zugschlus: mailboxes are nearly standardized with many variants.`
`07:02.21`	`Zrin`	`Zugschlus: what is standard maildir format in sarge (with exim)?`
`07:02.30`	`sandman`	`If I'm using openzaurus, and it's installed proper and all that good stuff... could I use debian Sarge (for ARM) on my zaurus?`
`07:02.37`	`mwilson`	`pacman: It's dynamic.`
`07:02.41`	`sandman`	`By manually installing some .debs and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?`
`07:02.48`	`dondelelcaro`	`Zrin: a mailbox is a mailbox is a mailbox`
`07:03.10`	`Zrin`	`thank you`
`07:03.15`	`pacman`	`well, I've seen a lot of ext2 filesystems on a lot of machines, and I don't think I've ever seen one run out of inodes. I guess the default is pretty good :)`
`07:03.38`	`sanxiyn`	`dondelelcaro: Well, mailbox formats are mboxo, mboxrd, mboxcl...`
`07:03.50`	`pacman`	`bisquit, if you don't understand it then don't bother with the option. It's not going to gain you much.`
`07:03.53`	`sanxiyn`	`Differing in From line quoting.`
`07:04.04`	`bisquit`	`Right'o. That's what I figured.`
`07:04.18`	`bisquit`	`Thankies you both.`
`07:04.19`	`Guerin`	`sandman: openzaurus isn't actually debian - it's a fork of debian/arm.`
`07:04.21`	`mwilson`	`No, if you'd figured that, you would`
`07:04.29`	`mwilson`	`No, if you'd figured that, you wouldn't have been messing with it.`
`07:04.32`	`Guerin`	`sandman: as such, we probably don't know.`
`07:04.43`	`pacman`	`bisquit, you can check your existing filesystems with df -i to see how many inodes you have free. If it's a lot, then you might want to make fewer inodes next time.`
`07:05.18`	`Guerin`	`sandman: i expect openzaurus exists for a reason; that being that sarge doesn't do zaurus as well as it.`
`07:05.26`	`sandman`	`I'll do some versionchecking.. I have a feeling it may just work.`
`07:05.39`	`sandman`	`I think it's more that: Debian doesn't have any custom-made configs built-in for PDA use`
`07:05.52`	`sandman`	`Or an option in teh installer somewhere that asks "are you installing on a PDA?" or something of that nature`
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`07:06.07`	`sandman`	`It's supposed to be hte universal OS :)`
`07:06.08`	`Guerin`	`sandman: right.`
`07:06.29`	`Guerin`	`sandman: it is. You want to hack it to run on your pda, you're free to :)`
`07:06.59`	`Guerin`	`well, none of my filesystems are usiong more than 8% of available inodes`
`07:07.02`	`bisquit`	`pacman, thanks for the tip... but this is the first time I'm planning to store large files (>1 gig) and I even got a new hard drive for it.. a project, if we will. But yeah... I suppose I could like test-fill it and see what happens.`
`07:07.07`	`Guerin`	`and most are using ~1%`
`07:07.23`	`pacman`	`my root fs is at 9% inode usage`
`07:07.28`	`Guerin`	`oh, wait`
`07:07.33`	`Guerin`	`my webserver is using 24%`
`07:07.45`	`Guerin`	`web/mail/etc - maildirs, not mboxen`
`07:07.58`	`Guerin`	`so that means shitloads of tiny files`
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`07:08.01`	`bisquit`	`My root is at 9%, and other mount points seems to be... at 1% :P`
`07:08.16`	`nimak`	`sandman: intimate linux`
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`07:10.34`	`bisquit`	`So, umm... does this inode thing like somehow relate to the filesize/size-reservation thing at all? If I set it at largefile, and my files are smaller, they still kinda occupy the space meant for tha larger file?`
`07:10.44`	`bisquit`	`If I may ask, ever so politely.`
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`07:10.59`	`Guerin`	`bisquit: no`
`07:11.07`	`dondelelcaro`	`bisquit: no, it just determines the total number of files you can have stored.`
`07:11.10`	`Guerin`	`a small file does not take a megabyte on disk`
`07:11.12`	`bisquit`	`Just to the... number of.. .available file-starts I can have?`
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`07:11.19`	`pacman`	`bisquit, an inode is simply the place where the file metainformation is stored: who owns it, what the permissions are, how big it is. 1 file == 1 inode.`
`07:11.20`	`Guerin`	`more inodes == potentially more files`
`07:11.25`	`bisquit`	`Oh, right, gotcha.`
`07:11.48`	`pacman`	`of course you should also understand, 1 directory == 1 file, and 1 file != 1 filename`
`07:11.56`	`bisquit`	`Thank You! (and if I wasn't afraid that it would mark me as something of a lesser being, I would have inserted a red "less than three" here, ahem.)`
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`07:12.09`	`Beleys`	`Hello`
`07:12.15`	`Guerin`	`bisquit: ...`
`07:12.21`	`bisquit`	`Guerin ;)`
`07:12.53`	`mwilson`	`The one I always like is this one:`
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`07:12.57`	`mwilson`	`--> mailhost:/mnt/raid 73269248 2167 73267081 1% /mnt/mailhost/raid`
`07:12.59`	`bisquit`	`pacman, oh, right. I wasn't planning to fill the hd with multiple directories, but... how come one file != filename?`
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`07:13.06`	`pacman`	`if you don't have enough inodes, then you will get a "No space left on device" error when you try to create a file. Which is very rare because the ext2 default is to have lots of inodes (you're at 1%!) so when it happens, people get confused becuase they look at df and not df -i`
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`07:13.13`	`Zrin`	`i have 3 users and a maildrop at the provider. what is better - to sort e-mails via fetchmail or procmail into user's mailboxes or to let them share one imap account. will the latter work (multiple connections)? they do want to see each others messages anyway...`
`07:13.17`	`mwilson`	`Which was created LONG before I understood what I was actually doing. :)`
`07:13.44`	`pacman`	`bisquit, files can have multiple links. if you ln file1 file2, that's still just one file. But a symlink is a separate entity, which consumes an inode.`
`07:14.00`	`Guerin`	`mwilson: was unix even invented back then?`
`07:14.01`	`mwilson`	`That filesystem is a 550 gb RAID at 97% capacity. :)`
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`07:14.17`	`mwilson`	`And yet it's only using 2k inodes. :)`
`07:14.27`	`bisquit`	`Right, I was just about to ask if we were talking about links.`
`07:14.40`	`bisquit`	`Good. Now I have understood what I wanted to understand.`
`07:14.46`	`bisquit`	`You lot have, once again, been very helpful.`
`07:15.26`	`pacman`	`I only included the extra formula 1 file != 1 filename so that nobody would nitpick my previous formula, 1 file = 1 inode, by saying that links violate the formula. They don't, as long as you don't think that a file with 2 names is 2 files.`
`07:15.58`	`mwilson`	`No, but there's a max number of links limit with ext2/ext3, as well. I ran into it.`
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`07:16.15`	`pacman`	`link count is 16 bits, I think... you can go to 32767 or 65535`
`07:16.16`	`mwilson`	`Ended up formatting my scratch partition reiser, which doesn't have a link limit.`
`07:16.24`	`mwilson`	`32767`
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`07:16.52`	`pacman`	`did you hit that by making 32767 directories with the same parent, or with a regular file?`
`07:16.56`	`mwilson`	`I use brag for downloading binaries from newsgroups... it creates LOTS of links. :)`
`07:17.16`	`mwilson`	`lots of itty-bitty directories.`
`07:17.21`	`dondelelcaro`	`blech`
`07:17.21`	`pacman`	`every child directory contains a ".." link to the parent, which increases the parent's link count, so the link count limit is effectively a subdirectory count limit too.`
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`07:18.40`	`mwilson`	`Yeah, brag runs the link count up very fast, as you end up with one message fragment per file.`
`07:19.04`	`mwilson`	`I'm not sure I understand how a news spool gets around that, before filesystems like reiser came along.`
`07:19.06`	`XTF`	`Hi. I'm running testing and did an apt-get update && dist-upgrade this morning. Shortly after the remote system became unreachable. Are there any known issues with today's updates?`
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`07:19.30`	`XTF`	`Ping still works, SSH accepts the connection (at TCP level), but doesn't send ACKs after that (or anything else).`
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`07:19.56`	`mwilson`	`XTF: So look at the list of packages you updated, and refer to their BTS entries.`
`07:20.35`	`pacman`	`in a traditional news spool the link count of an article would be the number of groups it was posted to... they didn't have 32767 newsgroups back then, before it become a marketing bullet point to have more newsgroups than your competitors (because you keep all the worthless typo'ed groups instead of rmgrouping them)`
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`07:21.45`	`Guerin`	`XTF: you're still shelled in, right?`
`07:21.47`	`xsdg`	`I just partitioned two SCSI (SATA) discs; how do I get the new partitions to show up without rebooting? (using 2.6.10)`
`07:22.14`	`XTF`	`Guerin: No.`
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`07:22.29`	`xixor`	`!dpkg libpng2`
`07:22.30`	`dpkg`	`the libpng2 fix is at http://master.debian.org/~vincent/ [Sun Jan 10 18:59:17 CST 1999]`
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`07:23.00`	`Guerin`	`!unix lessons`
`07:23.01`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you ...`
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`07:23.28`	`pacman`	`heh`
`07:23.30`	`Guerin`	`XTF: lessons 6 and 10 above`
`07:23.35`	`xixor`	`Hey everyone, quick question. I have a program that is looking for libpng.so.2. I have every .deb I have found relating to png from an apt-cache search installed (both dev and runtime), and it still complains. Asking !dpkg libpng2 gives a website for a fix, but this website is down. Anyone know whats up?`
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`07:23.43`	`XTF`	`6: What did I not understand?`
`07:23.45`	`Guerin`	`XTF: and 2, if it should come to that`
`07:23.58`	`pacman`	`xixor, ask http://packages.debian.org`
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`07:24.08`	`Guerin`	`XTF: I'm figuring you didn't vet the packages you were updating carefully enough.`
`07:24.16`	`Guerin`	`XTF: do you know what packages were updated`
`07:24.17`	`Guerin`	`>?`
`07:24.31`	`dorto`	`is unreal or any other irc server daemon available in debian sarge?`
`07:24.37`	`xsdg`	xixor: does running `ldconfig` help?
`07:24.42`	`xsdg`	`dorto: dancer`
`07:24.45`	`pabs3`	`dorto: ircd-hybrid`
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`07:25.45`	`dorto`	`which one should i try first? light-weight, for small traffic, stable irc server?`
`07:25.46`	`Guerin`	`XTF: your best option is to reboot it, if you can. Failing that, you'll probably need a remote hand.`
`07:25.55`	`xixor`	`xsdg: I ran ldconfig as root, didn't give any output, running the program again, it still complains about libpng.so.2`
`07:26.10`	`xixor`	`pacmac, : ok, I searched for libpng2, it found a package for an older library`
`07:26.14`	`xsdg`	`xixor: yeah, ldconfig usually doesn't produce output`
`07:26.16`	`xixor`	`pacmac: I am downloading, going to try it out`
`07:26.19`	`xsdg`	`xixor: not sure`
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`07:26.25`	`ke6isf`	`How would I tell gnome to not start the cd player software when I insert an audio CD?`
`07:26.58`	`dorto`	`ircd-hybrid looks to be the smaller irc server o.0`
`07:27.03`	`xixor`	`pacmac, xsdg: Ok, following pacmac's advice, I downloaded an older lib from the packages.debian.org and now the program works :)`
`07:27.08`	`valdyn`	`ke6isf: gnome-volume-properties`
`07:27.08`	`Guerin`	`ke6isf: why would you want gnome to NOT do random things of its own accord?`
`07:27.12`	`XTF`	`Guerin: To be honest, not exactly. But based on another system I'd say: passwd, base-config, libstdc++6-4.0-dev, g++-4.0, cpp-4.0, libstdc++6 4.0.1-2, dselect, python2.3`
`07:27.15`	`xsdg`	`pacman: heh`
`07:27.24`	`ke6isf`	`Guerin: Mu!`
`07:27.30`	`Guerin`	`ke6isf: the whole POINT of gnome is to do random shit for you, without your knowledge or consent`
`07:27.43`	`xixor`	`pacman: sorry, xchat has a funny autocomplete on the nicknames. I hit <tab> after typing pacma and it automatically chooses pacmac :)`
`07:27.51`	`Guerin`	`XTF: you're guessing. None of those would affect the network.`
`07:28.08`	`XTF`	`Gueron: I know, that's why I find it so strange.`
`07:28.14`	`pacman`	`nick completion is the most retarded thing I have ever seen.`
`07:28.30`	`ke6isf`	`!beer valdyn`
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`07:28.35`	`XTF`	`Guerin: I'm sure the kernel wasn't updated and it looks like a kernel issue to me.`
`07:28.37`	`Guerin`	`pacman: evidently it's no worse than no nick completion ... I don't see a Gueron here`
`07:28.44`	`pacman`	`it's 9 characters! damn.`
`07:29.04`	`Guerin`	`XTF: got some way of rebooting it remotely?`
`07:29.06`	`pabs3`	`ke6isf: Preferences -< Removable drives and media`
`07:29.11`	`cheal`	`pacman: you must be a xchat user`
`07:29.22`	`pacman`	`bah! ircii forever.`
`07:29.28`	`Guerin`	`hahaha`
`07:29.41`	`pacman`	`the often imitated, never equalled, one true irc client`
`07:30.00`	`XTF`	`Guerin: Emailing support. :)`
`07:30.05`	`ke6isf`	`OK, I just got a bus error when attempting to su.`
`07:30.30`	`pacman`	`bus error, cool!`
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`07:31.28`	`xsdg`	`so no ideas for getting SCSI partitions recognized without rebooting?`
`07:31.54`	`Guerin`	`ke6isf: that's what you get when you try to park your SU(v) in the bus stop, right?`
`07:31.55`	`pacman`	`normally, fdisk will cause the kernel to reread the partition table when you write it.`
`07:32.05`	`pacman`	`this doesn't work if any part of the disk is in use though.`
`07:32.25`	`cheal`	`pacman: and yet you consider nick completion as the most retarded thing you have ever seen? strange`
`07:32.27`	`pacman`	`you have to unmount _all_ partitions of the disk, then write the partition table. Then the changes show up.`
`07:32.36`	`xsdg`	`ke6isf: a bus error? on linux?`
`07:32.41`	`Nurbs`	`xsdg: you can reattach the disks (after unmounting them etc.)`
`07:33.05`	`xsdg`	`Nurbs: how? (they're brand new, so not mounted or anything, and started off unpartitioned)`
`07:33.23`	`Nurbs`	`xsdg: they should show up then.`
`07:33.31`	`Nurbs`	`you could try blockdev --rereadpt, too`
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`07:34.20`	`xsdg`	`Nurbs: woot! thanks (blockdev worked)`
`07:34.52`	`Nurbs`	`:)`
`07:35.56`	`pacman`	`what did you use to edit the partition table in the first place?`
`07:35.57`	`xsdg`	`pacman: cfdisk`
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`07:35.58`	`xsdg`	`Nurbs: heh`
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`07:37.27`	`comfrey_`	`urg...`
`07:37.59`	`comfrey_`	`so ... i am running 2.6.12 kernel on sarge... and it is now asking for a pasphrase on boot`
`07:38.07`	`comfrey_`	`other kernels it asks not.`
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`07:38.28`	`comfrey_`	`any clue wtf might lead to this behavior?`
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`07:38.37`	`pacman`	`uh, which program is asking for a passphrase?`
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`07:38.47`	`RippinEmDaily21`	`whatup`
`07:38.51`	`comfrey_`	`it is frustratingly nonspecific`
`07:39.20`	`comfrey_`	`after tun and before md0`
`07:39.28`	`dorto`	`is there a way to print a document with "odd pages only" and "even pages only" like settings in gnu/linux?`
`07:39.36`	`dorto`	`say for pdf docs?`
`07:39.37`	`RippinEmDaily21`	`so r u all geeks?`
`07:40.08`	`fireba11`	`!u`
`07:40.09`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
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`07:41.22`	`pacman`	`when you have the non-specific passphrase prompt on screen, try pressing Ctrl-ScrollLock to get the task list, maybe you can figure it out from there.`
`07:41.40`	`cheal`	`comfrey_: well what exactly does it ask then?`
`07:42.04`	`pacman`	`or look in your rc2.d to see what comes between tun and md0 :)`
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`07:42.17`	`asperon-work`	`hi, i cant get xwindows to start when i have a a samba share as $HOME. I have tried to chane the fs to cifs and that helped a bit, but i get error in locking authority file /home/ced21car/.Xauthority , anybody know what to do?`
`07:42.22`	`cheal`	`!x windows`
`07:42.22`	`dpkg`	`It's X dammit! A) The X Window System. B) X`
`07:42.34`	`liable`	`i am going mad here, the exim debian read me, says to set the MAIN_TLS_ENABLE macro, wtf should i set it to?`
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`07:43.02`	`pacman`	`samba is not a proper filesystem. You shouldn't expect unix programs to run without a unix filesystem.`
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`07:43.18`	`asperon-work`	`pacmac: : but cifs is, or?`
`07:43.35`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: you still awake?`
`07:43.48`	`Vibes`	`Hi all! Is there an <easy> (not kernel compilation) way to access a darwin (not sure the type) partition created by a MAC from my debian server (i386) plz?`
`07:43.49`	`dorto`	`which is the lean and mean irc server daemon that i can use with debian? least no of features is ok for me`
`07:44.23`	`dorto`	`i need to use it for just internal network of 10 systems`
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`07:44.47`	`Guerin`	`dorto: email`
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`07:45.00`	`ke6isf`	`xsdg: Yeah, I don't know what happened, but my disks seemed to vanish.`
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`07:45.40`	`Guerin`	`Vibes: #debianppc might be better equipped`
`07:45.54`	`pacman`	`Vibes, either the kernel has CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION or it doesn't. If it doesn't you need a different kernel.`
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`07:45.56`	`Guerin`	`i'd run a jabberd instead of an ircd`
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`07:46.23`	`dorto`	`we are most comfortable with irc clients and use them anyhow to connect to other servers`
`07:46.31`	`pacman`	`Vibes, if you're really desparate then you can parse the partition table by hand and use a loop device over the hard drive, with an offset specified. But that's much harder than compiling a new kernel :)`
`07:46.32`	`Guerin`	`which would give you all the benefit(heh) of being contactable by IM`
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`07:46.46`	`Guerin`	`dorto: you can use irc clients with jabber`
`07:46.56`	`dorto`	`oh great!`
`07:47.01`	`Guerin`	`dorto: i'd ask #freenode`
`07:47.09`	`dorto`	`i need to install a jabber server?`
`07:47.14`	`dorto`	`ok`
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`07:47.30`	`dorto`	`package name for jabber server for debian?`
`07:47.38`	`pabs3`	`Vibes: I was able to mount an external usb disk with a mac filesystem (debian i386 kernel)`
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`07:47.45`	`Vibes`	`pacman, Isn't there a kernel module to support this fs type mounting?`
`07:47.48`	`Guerin`	`dorto: what I would do is install jabberd and bitlbee, have your users connect to bitlbee, which would then connect them to the jabber server`
`07:47.58`	`Guerin`	`dorto: they could use any irc client of their choice to do so`
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`07:48.05`	`Guerin`	`dorto: apt-cache search jabber`
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`07:48.15`	`dorto`	`ok, thx a lot :)`
`07:48.17`	`pacman`	`Vibes, wait a minute... first you were asking about the partitioning. Now you're asking about the filesystem? Pick a topic and stick to it`
`07:48.23`	`dorto`	`will test it today`
`07:48.37`	`Guerin`	`dorto: be advised that I haven't done this, so can't help you with the details of setting up the jabberd - the bitlbee gateway is trivial, though`
`07:48.58`	`dorto`	`are you hopeful that i can find some docs on google?`
`07:49.07`	`dorto`	`or #freenode?`
`07:49.54`	`Vibes`	`pacman, lol, I wrote "access" and I mean "read the content of"... I juste want to read data from a USB hard drive which fs type is darwin ufs`
`07:50.29`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: to any non-zero value`
`07:50.32`	`pacman`	`so now your story has changed to: you already have the partitions recognized, you just need to find the UFS module?`
`07:51.13`	`Vibes`	`pacmac, that's it`
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`07:51.53`	`Vibes`	`erf, last message was for pacman not pacmac :`
`07:51.54`	`pacman`	`well, there is a UFS module in the debian kernels (I think...) whether it works with the Mac variant of UFS I don't know. All you can do is try, mount -t ufs`
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`07:52.19`	`Vibes`	`I tried and it still not mount`
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`07:52.33`	`pacman`	`any complaints in dmesg about the ufs?`
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`07:53.30`	`Vibes`	`ufs was compiled with read-only support, can't be mounted as read-write`
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`07:53.35`	`Vibes`	`erf`
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`07:54.02`	`Oliver^work`	`how do i go about fooling apt into thinking that i really have a package installed when i dont?`
`07:54.17`	`ke6isf`	`Hmm... drives check out using ide-smart. Should be fine, but wonder why they died like that.`
`07:54.19`	`pacman`	`oh, I see there is some useful information in Documentation/filesystems/ufs.txt`
`07:54.22`	`pabs3`	`Oliver^work: see the equivs package`
`07:54.28`	`Oliver^work`	`k, thanks`
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`07:55.10`	`Vibes`	`pacman, thx`
`07:55.21`	`asperon-work`	`lets try this again, i cant get xwindows to start when i have a a samba share as $HOME. I have tried to change the fs to cifs and that helped a bit, but i get error in locking authority file /home/ced21car/.Xauthority , so the question is, has anybody got x to run with the $HOME mounted on asmbf/cifs share, and if so, how?`
`07:55.22`	`pacman`	`it lists all the variants and says you must mount -t ufs -o ufstype=VARIANT`
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`07:56.08`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: cheers`
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`07:58.17`	`cheal`	`they're spambots`
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`08:01.15`	`snail`	`debian_newbie88: sure but only if it's a problem on debian and you've already goodle for an answer and read the debain docs`
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`08:04.46`	`debian_newbie88`	`ok thank snail.`
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`08:05.32`	`dorto`	`which irc server for debian has got greatest amount of doc/community support?`
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`08:10.38`	`snail`	`dorto: the freenode network (this one) is generally the most popular amoung free software and open source people. freenode has many aliases`
`08:11.27`	`dorto`	`so ircd-hybrid should have good docs and support?`
`08:11.41`	`bbrazil`	`dorto: freenode uses dancer`
`08:11.49`	`dorto`	`oh :P`
`08:12.00`	`snail`	`asperon-work: sounds like either a file locking or permissions issue with the .* files used by X.`
`08:12.06`	`dorto`	`so i will go for dancer irc server daemon then`
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`08:12.26`	`snail`	`dorto: sorry, you want to run a server, rather than connect to a server? not sure, never done it`
`08:12.30`	`bbrazil`	`dorto: actually, freenode doesn't run dancer anymore`
`08:12.44`	`snail`	`dorto: popularity contest should tell you the most widely used`
`08:13.09`	`dorto`	`which does freenode use now? a customized one?`
`08:13.25`	`dorto`	`from my research upto now, dancer seems to be the most popular`
`08:13.29`	`asperon-work`	`snail: yes, it seems so, question is, what is causing it, smb/cifs, my permissions in the dir? gdm/gnome/x? or what?`
`08:13.33`	`asperon-work`	`i am at loss where to look`
`08:13.36`	`bbrazil`	`dancer was a customized hybrid for freenode iirc`
`08:14.06`	`jm_`	`old hybrid yes`
`08:14.11`	`dorto`	`yes, dancer is said to be variation of irc-hybrid`
`08:14.57`	`dorto`	`we need to do sth before we get voice on #freenode?`
`08:15.03`	`dorto`	`i am not able to speak there`
`08:15.13`	`cheal`	`dorto: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenode`
`08:15.15`	`dorto`	`i am registered with freenode network`
`08:15.17`	`cheal`	`dorto: only waiting`
`08:15.22`	`dorto`	`ok`
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`08:15.27`	`dorto`	`yhx`
`08:15.28`	`snail`	`asperon-work: (a) check .xsessoin-errors (b) if X doesn't start at all, it's probably .Xauthority (c) there may be some security settings in the xserver you can relax`
`08:15.30`	`dorto`	`*thx`
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`08:21.32`	`snail`	`asperon-work: no idea, sorry`
`08:22.25`	`asperon-work`	`snail: ok, thnx`
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`08:27.39`	`loxen`	`hello, having a little problem with nvidia driver.. building a custom 2.6 kernel and using nvidias own installer. get the error: unable to load nvidia module`
`08:27.50`	`loxen`	`any suggestions?`
`08:28.00`	`chealer`	`loxen, yes, don't use NVIDIA's installer`
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`08:28.13`	`jm_`	`tell it to not use precompiled moduels but to build your own`
`08:28.28`	`loxen`	`chealer: but it has worked excellent before on 2.4.*`
`08:29.11`	`chealer`	`loxen, that doesn't mean you X isn'T about to blow up`
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`08:29.42`	`chealer`	`in any case, it's not only a suggestion to ask #nvidia if you don't do it the debian way`
`08:29.47`	`sadleder`	`hi, did anyone discover problems with sitecopy in sftp mode? likely a problem in openssh-client.`
`08:30.43`	`loxen`	`chealer: okay, so ill give the debian way a shot then :)`
`08:31.31`	`sep`	`loxen, make your kernel the debian way, /msg dpkg make-kpkg then make the nvidia module using /msg dpkg nvidia howto, or /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner`
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`08:31.52`	`loxen`	`sep, yeah doing the kernel allready the debian way`
`08:31.54`	`sep`	`loxen, and dont customcompile your kernel unless you need to (spot the difference in need and want)`
`08:32.58`	`loxen`	`anyway thanks for the help guys :)`
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`08:34.36`	`Darthvader`	`isn't there any1 who know the rpmbuild usage?`
`08:34.49`	`Darthvader`	`example )`
`08:34.50`	`Darthvader`	`rpmbuild --rebuild librep-0.16.1-5.1.src.rpm`
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`08:35.03`	`Darthvader`	`My O/s is DEBian`
`08:35.11`	`snail`	`Darthvader: this is a user channel rather than a developer channel...`
`08:35.39`	`Darthvader`	`it's the area of developer? just making rpms....yeap..`
`08:35.55`	`Darthvader`	`so...do you know the any channel about devloper`
`08:35.56`	`Darthvader`	`??`
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`08:39.06`	`snail`	`Darthvader: try #debian-devel?`
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`08:39.24`	`azeem`	`snail: for rpmbuild?`
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`08:40.27`	`Pixels-`	`i always love when a package wants to delete x-windows-core`
`08:40.30`	`jm_`	`asking about rpmbuild in #debian is really smart though, read the docs on www.rpm.org`
`08:40.31`	`Pixels-`	`^_^`
`08:40.44`	`jm_`	`x-windows-core is just a meta package, pretty useless on its own`
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`08:41.03`	`Pixels-`	`some packages depend on it though`
`08:41.17`	`Pixels-`	`not really sure how vital they are, but dont feel like messing around fixing something`
`08:41.25`	`Pixels-`	`too tired`
`08:41.26`	`jm_`	`they do? let me check`
`08:41.42`	`Pixels-`	`i thought there was some packages that depended on it...`
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`08:41.50`	`Pixels-`	`could be wrong though, wouldnt be the first time :P`
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`08:42.06`	`snail`	`azeem: the a developer channel for debian`
`08:42.11`	`jm_`	`none in Sarge`
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`08:42.26`	`Pixels-`	`im running sid at the moment`
`08:42.27`	`azeem`	`snail: I cannot parse what you said`
`08:42.29`	`Pixels-`	`having fun :)`
`08:42.40`	`jm_`	`well x-windows-system does`
`08:42.45`	`Pixels-`	`havent had many problems yet`
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`08:42.55`	`Pixels-`	`fixed em all by myself too, learning as I go`
`08:42.57`	`azeem`	`jm_: it's x-window-system`
`08:43.00`	`snail`	`azeem: sorry, i recommended #debian-devel as a developer channel for debian`
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`08:43.14`	`azeem`	`snail: and I said this is pointless if the guy asks for help on rpmbuild`
`08:43.16`	`jm_`	`azeem: I know the package name`
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`08:43.27`	`Pixels-`	`yeah i meant x-window-system`
`08:43.29`	`Pixels-`	`sorry`
`08:43.33`	`jm_`	`just made a typo (types it instead of pasting it)`
`08:43.39`	`azeem`	`okok :)`
`08:43.50`	`jm_`	`and made another one, how stupid :)`
`08:43.56`	`azeem`	`you guys consistently wrote xwindows, so I wasn't sure`
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`08:44.16`	`jm_`	`yeah, let's see if we have a factoid for it`
`08:44.21`	`Pixels-`	`sid is surpisingly stable`
`08:44.26`	`Pixels-`	`was expecting more problems`
`08:44.30`	`jm_`	`!+xwindows`
`08:44.31`	`dpkg`	`xwindows is probably NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap`
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`08:44.36`	`jm_`	`;)`
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`08:46.50`	`Pixels-`	`working on getting cvscedega setup/installed`
`08:47.08`	`Pixels-`	`I just wish gaming companies made more linux ports of games`
`08:47.20`	`fireba11`	`yep`
`08:47.22`	`caphuso`	`damn, that's fucked up... N^HN^HN^HNA^HA^HA^HAM^HM^HM^HME^HE^HE^HE`
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`08:47.29`	`Pixels-`	`wtf?`
`08:47.31`	`Pixels-`	`lol`
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`08:48.46`	`Zvpun`	`I have issues understanding the relationship between esd and alsa. Why is there a libesd-alsa0 "to mix together several .. streams"? Doesn't alsa do the same? Why does one need esd too?`
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`08:50.23`	`jm_`	`no, ALSA doesn't do it natively, unless card/driver combination supports it`
`08:50.49`	`Boukensya`	`Hey guys.. I am administering this linux box, and to keep security high I have used john the ripper with a 43 mb wordlist to crack passwords (which actually didn't take too long considering there is about 50 users on the machine and it returned like 20 results)`
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`08:50.59`	`BiSK-8`	`hello`
`08:51.12`	`BiSK-8`	`ive got a problem.... i installed debian but there is no gui`
`08:51.15`	`Boukensya`	`What I want john the ripper to do though is to add numbers etc.. to keep miscontruing the wordlist`
`08:51.17`	`BiSK-8`	`its command line`
`08:51.19`	`Zvpun`	`jm_: but I have configured alsa and now I can use xmms and gaim at the same time. Do I confuse something/not understand the english explanation of things right?`
`08:51.27`	`Boukensya`	`basically to keep going and going until it finds more and more`
`08:51.29`	`BiSK-8`	`what can i do?`
`08:51.30`	`jm_`	`Zvpun: maybe you have used its dmix plugin`
`08:51.33`	`caphuso`	`BiSK-8: install whatever GUI you like`
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`08:51.42`	`peterS`	`Boukensya: eh? doesn't john already do that?`
`08:51.43`	`Boukensya`	`I then email the users telling them their passwords are crap`
`08:51.57`	`BiSK-8`	`caphuso, how can i install gnome?`
`08:52.01`	`Boukensya`	`peterS I don't think it does, if it does not very well`
`08:52.12`	`jm_`	`just learned that in order to use all 6 buttons on my mouse I have to use ImPS/2 as opposed to ExplorerPS/2`
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`08:52.42`	`Boukensya`	`peterS it took like 2 hours to go through the whole file, I remember way back when it would go through it for like weeks`
`08:52.43`	`Zvpun`	`jm_: I have set up gaim using libasound (and libao.conf says default_driver=alsa) and I told xmms to use alsa. So I think that alsa allows different programms to use the soundcard at the same time.`
`08:52.47`	`caphuso`	`BiSK-8: by installing the gnome package`
`08:52.50`	`fireba11`	`jm_ who uses 6-button-mouse anyway :-)`
`08:52.56`	`peterS`	`jm_: strange, the ImPS/2 protocol didn't support more than 3 or 4 buttons. I wonder if the X mouse driver actually does some other magic for that protocol string`
`08:53.03`	`BiSK-8`	`caphuso, -.- duh.. but how can i install that?`
`08:53.26`	`caphuso`	`BiSK-8: duh... with your package management fronend of choice`
`08:53.30`	`jm_`	`Zvpun: no it doesn't, not without explicitelly using dmix or if you have a card that can do it and the driver supports it`
`08:53.41`	`jm_`	`fireba11: I have 7 button mouse at home, but don't use the extra two`
`08:53.56`	`jm_`	`peterS: I suppose it's not related to me also running gpm with type imps2`
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`08:54.30`	`peterS`	`jm_: unless you are also using the gpm repeater in raw mode, it won't be related`
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`08:54.43`	`Zvpun`	`jm_: where is dmix (which package)`
`08:54.49`	`jm_`	`Zvpun: /msg dpkg dmix`
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`08:55.03`	`jm_`	`peterS: nope, using /dev/input/mice (finally upgraded to 2.6 today)`
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`08:55.13`	`Boukensya`	`I remember back in the day "jill the ripper" or something added 123 etc.. to the wordlists, but can't seem to find it`
`08:55.15`	`peterS`	`jm_: right, then gpm and X will not interfere with each other at all`
`08:55.22`	`ircdevil`	`how do i get hold of the fvwm packages original .fvwmrc file?`
`08:55.39`	`jm_`	`peterS: I forgot to run xev though to be certain about details`
`08:55.44`	`ircdevil`	`"package maintainers version"`
`08:56.23`	`peterS`	`jm_: the real way to make sure you support as many mouse features as possible is to use the evdev kernel module, and the /dev/input/event* interface with X. gpm does not yet support evdev, though I plan to support it in the next version`
`08:56.23`	`jm_`	`ircdevil: purge it and reinstall`
`08:56.28`	`Zvpun`	`jm_: For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher ... Dmix is enabled as default for soundcards which don't support hw mixing.`
`08:56.33`	`Zvpun`	`jm_: thanks`
`08:56.37`	`jm_`	`Zvpun: ahh cool`
`08:56.40`	`peterS`	`jm_: ...but if your existing setup already works, there's no need to do that`
`08:56.49`	`BiSK-8`	`caphuso, ok.... when i turn on my box i get my login and i do ligin..... but its all command line....... where do i get the packages ur talkin'abt?`
`08:57.02`	`caphuso`	`BiSK-8: please, just go use windows again`
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`08:57.12`	`jm_`	`peterS: yeah I'll stick to using this configuration, although my kernel does support evdev`
`08:57.13`	`caphuso`	`how the hell did you even manage to get debian installed?`
`08:57.13`	`ircdevil`	`jm_ i tried with apt-get install --reinstall and dpkg-reconfigure - didnt do it. so ill do a complete purge :oP`
`08:57.22`	`BiSK-8`	`caphuso, i havent used windows for more than a year`
`08:57.27`	`BiSK-8`	`-.-`
`08:57.48`	`jm_`	`ircdevil: yes, that doesn't work, you can also use dpkg with appropriate force option`
`08:57.56`	`nkuttler`	`BiSK-8: start with /msg dpkg faq`
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`08:58.33`	`ircdevil`	`jm_: hmmmm it doenst prompt me at all when installing anew`
`08:59.14`	`nkuttler`	`BiSK-8: then /msg dpkg set up x, then /msg dpkg install gnome`
`08:59.45`	`BiSK-8`	`k`
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`09:00.38`	`tombs`	`hi all`
`09:01.03`	`tombs`	`could someone tell me if is possible to run sensors on etch 2.6.12 ?`
`09:01.25`	`BiSK-8`	`nkuttler: ok but i cant apt`
`09:01.29`	`BiSK-8`	`any other way?`
`09:01.32`	`nkuttler`	`BiSK-8: why not?`
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`09:02.00`	`ezech`	`hi`
`09:02.16`	`BiSK-8`	`nkuttler: its not configured....`
`09:02.21`	`BiSK-8`	`at least i think`
`09:02.25`	`nkuttler`	`BiSK-8: run apt-setup`
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`09:02.30`	`BiSK-8`	`i modified the sources.list by hand`
`09:02.39`	`jm_`	`ircdevil: why should it prompt you?`
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`09:03.01`	`ircdevil`	`jm_: when upgrading it asks "use package mainternes version" for the config file`
`09:03.29`	`ircdevil`	`jm_ anyhows, if i could locate the package maintainers version manually, it should do`
`09:04.01`	`ircdevil`	`jm_: writing fvwmrc files takes forever. better to modify an existing one`
`09:04.22`	`jm_`	`ircdevil: yes, it does normally - use hte procedure I told you to use`
`09:04.27`	`jm_`	`the`
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`09:06.13`	`ircdevil`	`jm_ well, i purged the package and reinstalled it. no prompt. why is that?`
`09:06.18`	`dli`	`can I for my uhci-hcd to run at low speed ?`
`09:06.30`	`ezech`	`is debian good for small p90-24ram box?`
`09:06.30`	`Pixels-`	`uhci is the devel`
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`09:06.48`	`Pixels-`	`no matter what version of debian i run, i get lots of uhci errors`
`09:06.51`	`dli`	`Pixels-, oh, ehci-hcd`
`09:06.59`	`aardvarq`	`Okay, apache is bitching about not having enough file descriptors. Is there something I can cat to proc for this?`
`09:07.11`	`jm_`	`ircdevil: because there was no config files when you purged it? doh`
`09:07.13`	`chealer`	`ezech, depending on what you want to do`
`09:07.36`	`ezech`	`chealer: I'm just wondering what to do with this box myself :D`
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`09:07.45`	`mtnman`	`ezech: get rid of it?`
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`09:08.03`	`dli`	`Pixels-, what kind of error? can you give me one example?`
`09:08.05`	`ezech`	`mtnman: I got used to having it, dumping is not an option actualy`
`09:08.23`	`Pixels-`	`says check my kernel modules`
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`09:08.39`	`Pixels-`	`ive just ignored it for so long, i forgot the error`
`09:08.39`	`Pixels-`	`lol`
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`09:09.05`	`mtnman`	`ezech: you could use it as an x-terminal to run remote sessions on another box`
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`09:09.15`	`error403`	`Does anybody here have an Abit AN8 Ultra motherboard, with the sound working?`
`09:09.27`	`liable`	`yay, only took me half a day to set exim up...`
`09:09.38`	`aardvarq`	`[Wed Oct 12 01:24:25 2005] [warn] (24)Too many open files: unable to open a file descriptor above 15, you may need to increas`
`09:09.38`	`aardvarq`	`e the number of descriptors`
`09:09.41`	`dli`	`Pixels-, device descriptor read/64, error -110`
`09:09.48`	`error403`	`liable, lol, i know the feeling... try postfix :P much easier i think`
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`09:10.12`	`liable`	`error403: no way! i just got exim working!.. :)`
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`09:10.16`	`dli`	`Pixels-, looks like usb 2.0 is too fast, I want force it to run at low speed`
`09:10.30`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: setting up exim is usually a matter of 30 seconds`
`09:10.41`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: for you maybe :)`
`09:10.41`	`error403`	`liable, i know... I spent 2 days on mine... Started with a new box, had postfix working in about 2 hours`
`09:10.50`	`Pixels-`	`gah cvscedega is giving me problems`
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`09:11.28`	`mtnman`	`zugshlus: perhaps he lives on a planet which takes 60 seconds to revolve around its axis`
`09:11.50`	`Pixels-`	`you mean like a mormon ?`
`09:11.58`	`ezech`	`mtnman: yes, and maybe some mp3-box controlled remotely, or something like that, but is debian good enough so I don't need to search'n'try other distros?`
`09:12.08`	`Pixels-`	`did you know mormons believe god lives on a planet near the star Kolob`
`09:12.18`	`Pixels-`	`and he is just one of many gods`
`09:12.24`	`ezech`	`or it's just not suited for such boxes maybe`
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`09:12.48`	`mtnman`	`ezech: if you are asking if you can install debian on such a box, yes. it can easily run mp3 audio`
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`09:12.55`	`chealer`	`ezech, I understand you`
`09:13.14`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: btw, half of the problem was with evo, the usee ssl whenever possible.. my fault, didnt fully understand the options, but, that "set the TSL macro bit" could be better defined, i could not find any docs on google to deal with the debian part of this with exim4.`
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`09:13.32`	`Vaga`	`Hi everybody :) Got a tiny problem with vim and my backspace-key. Someone here to help me? I haven't a clue.`
`09:14.19`	`nkuttler`	`Vaga: you'd have to state your problem before anybody can help`
`09:14.24`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: or i should say, always use ssl option...`
`09:14.59`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: always use ssl will be possible once Debian has a useable SSL infrastructure to create certificates on installation`
`09:14.59`	`liable`	`@annoy jethro`
`09:15.00`	`ravenbird`	`jethro: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm????`
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`09:15.23`	`Vaga`	`Typing <backspace> will give ^? on the screen. I tryed "inoremap ^? ^H" and the "set backspace=2" but that does not change anything at all...`
`09:15.25`	`jethro`	`ravenbird: mmmm?`
`09:15.27`	`ravenbird`	`jethro: wish i knew`
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`09:15.37`	`JohnFlux`	`Hey all.`
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`09:15.46`	`JohnFlux`	`What's the difference between directfb and fb ?`
`09:15.54`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: "How to enable TLS support for exim as server" is in /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz line 104, and how to set macros is in /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz line 332.`
`09:15.55`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: it wasnt the ssl cert that was giving me problems, just misunderstanding the docs.`
`09:15.59`	`JohnFlux`	`when the kernel boots with a framebuffer, which is it?`
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`09:16.11`	`usn_work`	`hi folx`
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`09:16.38`	`Guerin`	`JohnFlux: i believe it's fb`
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`09:16.49`	`chealer`	`ezech, sarge needs 32 MB of RAM`
`09:16.58`	`Guerin`	`i think directfb is the x kernel framebuffer, but i really don't know`
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`09:17.10`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: let me see`
`09:17.11`	`Guerin`	`chealer: lies`
`09:17.13`	`Oliver^work`	`Vaga try 'stty erase ^?'`
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`09:18.00`	`chealer`	`Guerin, for i386. it's probably due to d-i`
`09:18.14`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: line 336?`
`09:18.19`	`liable`	`err`
`09:18.39`	`liable`	`332?`
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`09:19.49`	`Vaga`	`Oliver^work "Not an editor command: stty erase ^?"`
`09:20.21`	`Guerin`	`chealer: apparently can be done in less, with swap`
`09:20.37`	`Guerin`	`i know someone who's done d-i on a 16MB machine with some jiggery-pokery`
`09:20.37`	`ezech`	`chealer: so it's solved then :/ ok, I'll search for other distros, thanks`
`09:20.48`	`Guerin`	`ezech: install woody and upgrade to sarge`
`09:20.56`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: i dont see any "how to set macros" in the whole file.`
`09:21.10`	`Guerin`	`ezech:woody is known to work in 12MB, with swap`
`09:21.23`	`Guerin`	`!ig`
`09:21.23`	`dpkg`	`well, ig is the install guide for stable: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for woody (oldstable): http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual`
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`09:21.32`	`Guerin`	`ezech: the above documents will tell you the dealie`
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`09:22.48`	`sparr`	`I have a library compiled as a .lib for Visual Studio, without the source is there any way I can link against that library using gcc as a linux->windows cross compiler?`
`09:22.49`	`Vaga`	`Oliver^work Backspace works fine on the terminal.. only vim shows problems with it.`
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`09:23.36`	`error403`	`Does anybody here have an Abit AN8 Ultra motherboard, with the sound working?`
`09:23.48`	`Guerin`	`sparr: ahahahahaha`
`09:23.54`	`Guerin`	`sparr: you poor bastard`
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`09:23.56`	`chealer`	`Guerin, I guess if you install on a "compliant" system it would be OK`
`09:24.04`	`ircdevil`	`jm_: sigh - all the default .fvmrc are ugly. i better spend some time working out my own then :o)`
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`09:24.08`	`dorto`	`when installing a debian package(or after installing), how to find where the package is installed?`
`09:24.11`	`Guerin`	`chealer: compliant?`
`09:24.23`	`chealer`	`Guerin, > 32 MB of RAM`
`09:24.26`	`azeem`	`dorto: the package, or the files it contains?`
`09:24.30`	`Guerin`	`dorto: dpkg -L pqackagename will tell you what files are in the package`
`09:24.34`	`Tamerlang`	`hello, ia have this problem: i just recovered my system from a filesystem error ... and the dpkg has some problems with its structures ... is there a quick way to rebuild dpkg's consistency?`
`09:24.36`	`sparr`	`dorto: dpkg -... what Guerin said`
`09:24.43`	`Guerin`	`chealer: yeah. guaranteed to NOt Fuck Up Because Of Ram`
`09:24.45`	`JohnFlux`	`sparr: you might be able to with libwine`
`09:24.58`	`ircdevil`	`dorto: /var/cache/apt/achieves`
`09:25.00`	`JohnFlux`	`sparr: but you would probably need the source for the lib`
`09:25.09`	`JohnFlux`	`sparr: otherwise it will have to be using a wineserver`
`09:25.14`	`JohnFlux`	`sparr: ask in #wine`
`09:25.15`	`sparr`	`JohnFlux: if i had the source for the lib i could just compile it as a .o :-p`
`09:25.17`	`Guerin`	`ircdevil: achieves? what does that achieve?`
`09:25.24`	`Guerin`	`#winehq`
`09:25.24`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: or am i missing something?`
`09:25.34`	`JohnFlux`	`sparr: not if it's heavily mfc or something :)`
`09:25.54`	`azeem`	Tamerlang: no quick answer is `no' I believe
`09:25.55`	`Guerin`	`Tamerlang: tru dselect update`
`09:26.00`	`Guerin`	`try`
`09:26.04`	`dorto`	`thx all`
`09:26.07`	`ircdevil`	`Guerin: bah XoP`
`09:26.08`	`Tamerlang`	`Guerin, 10x`
`09:26.13`	`Guerin`	`!reinstall`
`09:26.13`	`dpkg`	`hmm... reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l \| awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' \| xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install`
`09:26.27`	`Guerin`	`Tamerlang: otherwise, that might work, with appropriate force options`
`09:26.30`	`Guerin`	`oh well`
`09:26.34`	`ezech`	`Guerin: thanks for link, I just read, that min. RAM is 24M, for "no desktop"`
`09:26.45`	`Guerin`	`ezech: that's lies as well.`
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`09:26.57`	`Guerin`	`ezech: that's the 'safe' answer`
`09:27.04`	`ezech`	`oh, so I just ignore it and go ahead with stable?`
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`09:27.09`	`Guerin`	`ezech: how much do you have? I missed it.`
`09:27.18`	`ezech`	`24MB`
`09:27.24`	`ezech`	`lol`
`09:27.39`	`Guerin`	`ezech: if you set up swap and make sure the installer uses it, sarge should work.`
`09:27.51`	`ezech`	`and I don't realy nead up to date OS, it just needs to be usefull some way`
`09:27.59`	`Guerin`	`ezech: otherwise, woody will definitely work, from wich you can upgrade to sarge.`
`09:28.20`	`Guerin`	`once installed, any distro of debian will run in 24MB with ease`
`09:28.34`	`Guerin`	`if you run sensible apps`
`09:28.55`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: you are on sarge, right?`
`09:28.55`	`Guerin`	`i believe the record is debian sid with a 2.6 kernel running on a 386sx25 with 4MB`
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`09:29.20`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: yes`
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`09:29.36`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: I have to look in the sarge version of the file, I have backports everywhere`
`09:29.42`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: ok.`
`09:29.51`	`ezech`	`ok, thanks for all help, I'll go make some room for my new-old-pc :)`
`09:30.24`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: on sarge, it's lines 258 and the following two paragraphcs`
`09:30.47`	`liable`	`sec`
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`09:32.20`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: my apoligies, i fail to see why i missed it..`
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`09:34.08`	`BiSK-8`	`hello`
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`09:34.53`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: no problem`
`09:34.53`	`BiSK-8`	`im installing debian and ive come to the part where i gotta install the gui, but apt wont work, is it possibile to install gnome from a cd?`
`09:35.05`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: still, you could add, to set the macro to any value other than 0 for the tls macro.. :)`
`09:35.10`	`dli`	`usb 1-4: device descriptor read/64, error -110`
`09:35.11`	`chealer`	`BiSK-8, "apt wont work"??`
`09:35.18`	`jethro`	`lazy apt`
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`09:35.47`	`BiSK-8`	`chealer it wont.... i modified the sources.list by hand`
`09:35.56`	`BiSK-8`	`can i install it through a cd?`
`09:36.21`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: its not obvious imho.`
`09:36.43`	`chealer`	`BiSK-8, installing from CD still involved apt`
`09:36.50`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: admittedly, i seem to have an attention span problem. :)`
`09:36.59`	`Cope`	`is there a vi command to delete the line above?`
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`09:38.02`	`BiSK-8`	`chealer, then what can i do?`
`09:38.22`	`Ick`	i have a debian 3.1 , i installed jay`s firewall on it, i maked some ruls, only the registered mac`s have acces to internet, but it only work`s on : 172.27.72.* , how can i modify this, to work on 172.27.73.* , 74 , and so on
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`09:38.56`	`chealer`	`BiSK-8, what about fixing your sources.list?`
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`09:40.16`	`Zvpun`	`chealer: that would be to straightforward`
`09:40.30`	`jhaig`	`When running apt-get upgrade and given the option to replace the a manually changed config file, which of N or O will leave my version as it is but still save a copy of the package maintainers version?`
`09:41.10`	`BiSK-8`	`chealer, yeah i thought abt that.... but where do i start from? i need a text editor`
`09:41.38`	`Zvpun`	`BiSK-8: are you very new to linux?`
`09:41.46`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: it mentions what to do with setting the macro with a split config, but doesnt say where to put it, in a monolithic config. (but one would assume, before the other tls options)`
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`09:42.05`	`BiSK-8`	`zvpun, no`
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`09:42.20`	`BiSK-8`	`ive been on ubuntu 4 abt a year`
`09:42.26`	`Guerin`	`haha`
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`09:42.28`	`Zvpun`	`BiSK-8: so why not just use any text editor?`
`09:42.44`	`Zvpun`	`BiSK-8: Try apt-setup`
`09:42.58`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: yes, in the main configuration options. Macros need to be set pretty early in the configuration`
`09:43.22`	`BiSK-8`	`zvpum, but without a gui i know only vim or emacs`
`09:43.23`	`fireba11`	`morning Zugschlus`
`09:43.29`	`BiSK-8`	`but there arent any of the 2`
`09:43.31`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: that's not too verbosely documented in the README.Debian since upstream's spec.txt is excellent and we try to avoid replicating information that is readily available upstream`
`09:43.35`	`Zugschlus`	`hi fireba11`
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`09:43.51`	`chealer`	`BiSK-8, try vi`
`09:44.02`	`citral`	`BiSK-8: fire up nano or vi`
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`09:44.12`	`mop`	`hi guys, some gimp mantainer here ?`
`09:44.25`	`Guerin`	`mop: hah`
`09:44.31`	`BiSK-8`	`k`
`09:44.32`	`mop`	`(gimp debian package obviously ;)`
`09:44.32`	`Guerin`	`!maint gimp`
`09:44.33`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: hrm, its hard to pick with exim, which docs to follow, because the debian config seems quite different (unique) to most other distros.`
`09:44.35`	`dpkg`	`gimp: Ari Pollak <ari@debian.org>`
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`09:44.43`	`BiSK-8`	`and what should i put into the sources.list?`
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`09:45.11`	`Guerin`	`mop: if you want to contact him, you COULD email him ... but you're better contacting him by mailing list, or using the BTS`
`09:45.14`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: they even tell you in the exim faqs, to ask debian people about exim, not general exim users.`
`09:45.22`	`Guerin`	`mop: most DDs are too busy to idle on irc`
`09:46.07`	`Zvpun`	`BiSK-8: there is a vi on EVERY unix system in the world.`
`09:46.14`	`Zvpun`	`BiSK-8: so just use vi instead of vim`
`09:46.19`	`Zvpun`	`BiSK-8: even better use apt-setup`
`09:46.33`	`azeem`	`most DDs are rather put off by the bad reputation of #d`
`09:46.40`	`BiSK-8`	`k`
`09:46.41`	`BiSK-8`	`brb`
`09:46.41`	`mop`	`Guerin, tnx I have a problem with batch script via stdin to gimp (-b - not work) ;(`
`09:46.44`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: our configuration is not _that_ different from Upstream`
`09:47.03`	`azeem`	`mop: better ask in a general gimp chan`
`09:47.15`	`Guerin`	`mop: check the BTS, file a bug if there isn't one raised already`
`09:47.16`	`Zugschlus`	`it can optionally be split, and it has some string substitutions made to allow for debconf, but basically, it's a run-of-the-mill exim configuration`
`09:47.30`	`mop`	`Guerin, checked, nothing found`
`09:47.52`	`Guerin`	`that does seem like an upstream issue, but file a bug against the debian package anyway, so ari can pass it on to upstream if need be`
`09:47.57`	`citral`	`mop: I'd ask on the mailing list first`
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`09:48.07`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: let me see if i cant find the faq that mentions it.`
`09:48.13`	`Myon`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:48.35`	`mop`	`citral, ok, I start from bottom of the stack.`
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`09:49.30`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.40/doc/html/FAQ_25.html Q9606. from the horses mouth :)`
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`09:50.16`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: I know. the problem is that Debian allows people without e-mali knowledge to use exim. Those people are not appreciated very well on exim-users, so Debian tries to take that load from upstream exim-users by having its own mailing list.`
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`09:50.39`	`bartden`	`hi, what package should i install so i can use the mail cmd in console to sent mail ?`
`09:50.42`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: that FAQ is completely on the dot.`
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`09:51.00`	`Guerin`	`bartden: mailx works`
`09:51.03`	`jm_`	`bartden: you need the command itself and properly configured MTA (obviously)`
`09:51.10`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: those people are usually not able to answer even the most basic questions about their setup, to exim-users (upstream) cannot help them`
`09:51.12`	`Guerin`	`bartden: you'll also need a correctly configured mta`
`09:51.27`	`jm_`	`mutt also works that way ifit's installed`
`09:51.29`	`Guerin`	`if it's just outbound you want, I recommend ssmtp`
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`09:52.16`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: well i searched the debian-exim mailing list and found surprisingly little about what i wanted to know. does this mean debian users are stupid, or they chose not to use exim, even though its the default mta?`
`09:52.18`	`inigo`	`holas`
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`09:55.28`	`loxen`	`hello, me again. followed the instructions about using module-assistant with nvidia driver ... worked like a charm! (my mistake was that i had enabled fb which made it freak out)`
`09:55.31`	`Yopyop`	`nothing to do with deb but 20 min im googling without find what i need, does anyone know how do the f*** i clear access-list on a cisco`
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`09:57.58`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: the exim docs, also say, i can telnet to my smtp server, issue a EHLO caoomand and get a response, which the default debian install of exim wont do. (this is from the exim-doc package from debian)`
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`09:59.52`	`BiSK-8`	`hello again`
`09:59.58`	`BiSK-8`	`i did the apt-setup`
`10:00.07`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: what exactly does the default Debian install not do?`
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`10:00.26`	`BiSK-8`	`but i dont know which 2 select`
`10:00.37`	`BiSK-8`	`fto or http wont connest`
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`10:00.40`	`BiSK-8`	`connect*`
`10:00.40`	`Guerin`	`bartden: which did you install?`
`10:00.46`	`Guerin`	`BiSK-8: why not?`
`10:00.59`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: it disconnects after issuing a EHLO due to sync error. I am not having a go, i am just trying to understand from the docs supplied with debian.`
`10:01.14`	`BiSK-8`	`guerin, i dunno.... i think somthin'gs wrong with my router`
`10:01.32`	`BiSK-8`	`guerin`
`10:01.34`	`Guerin`	`liable: a mta which doesn't respond correctly to ehlo over telnet is broken. I'd blame something else.`
`10:01.34`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: you need to wait for your server to issue its greeting`
`10:01.39`	`BiSK-8`	`so which 2 i select?`
`10:01.44`	`Guerin`	`BiSK-8: fix that before you worry about sources.`
`10:01.55`	`Zugschlus`	`I'm off to lunch`
`10:01.57`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: i did, and it timed out, and shut the connection.`
`10:02.07`	`BiSK-8`	`guerin, but i dunno whats wrong........`
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`10:02.13`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: that must be some other issue. How long did you wait?`
`10:02.27`	`BiSK-8`	`guerin, it just sais that the connection timed out....`
`10:02.34`	`BiSK-8`	`i donthink my modem is dhcp`
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`10:02.37`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: thanks for the help though, i waited untill it shut the connection.`
`10:02.38`	`BiSK-8`	`dont think*`
`10:02.39`	`Guerin`	`BiSK-8: nor do I. Contact your ISP or your router manufacturer for support, this is not a debian issue.`
`10:03.17`	`BiSK-8`	`guerin, yes..... but even without a modem it should be possibile 2 install debian or not?`
`10:04.06`	`Guerin`	`BiSK-8: depends what you're installing from. If you're doing a netinstall without a network, then the answer is no.`
`10:04.24`	`liable`	`Guerin: out of interest, have you tried it with a default exim config?`
`10:04.37`	`Guerin`	`yes`
`10:05.13`	`BiSK-8`	`guerin, im not doing a netinstall..... im doing a normal installation.....i have 2 cds`
`10:05.16`	`Guerin`	`liable: the other question is WHICH default config, since it offers you four or so shoices`
`10:05.35`	`liable`	`Guerin: internet server, or smart relay`
`10:05.41`	`liable`	`host*`
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`10:08.19`	`spr1n`	`hi all, im newbyin debian. in one faq Ive read that I need change in /etc/apt/sources.list from testing/etch to sid if I want track unstable. The problem im that I dont know in wich row I should change it. I have 3 of them, 1st: deb <link> testing main ,2nd: deb-src <link> testing main ,3rd: deb <link> testing/updates main . I would apritiate if somebody would tell me that and explanes what each row means. thnx =)`
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`10:09.14`	`jm_`	`spr1n: based on your explanation no-one sane will help you do this`
`10:09.16`	`Guerin`	`liable: yeah, those should listen.`
`10:09.17`	`BiSK-8`	`guerin, im not doing a netinstall..... im doing a normal installation.....i have 2 cds`
`10:09.44`	`Guerin`	`spr1n: newbies don't run sid. If they try, they don't run it for long.`
`10:10.00`	`Guerin`	`BiSK-8: add your cds as sources, then.`
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`10:10.15`	`Guerin`	`BiSK-8: when you get your network up and running, you can change.`
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`10:10.47`	`BiSK-8`	`guerin, add my cds a sources,,,, and how?`
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`10:11.29`	`Guerin`	`BiSK-8: the option is given in apt-setup`
`10:11.36`	`joel_`	`hi, can someone point me to a good guide to get apache2, mysql, php5 (perl) all up and running please`
`10:11.38`	`Guerin`	`BiSK-8: if you'd bothered to run it, you'd see that`
`10:11.57`	`BiSK-8`	`i did`
`10:12.06`	`BiSK-8`	`but it detects nothing in the cds`
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`10:12.21`	`Guerin`	`joel_: aptitude install apache2 libapache2-mod-perl libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server mysql-client`
`10:12.36`	`Guerin`	`joel_: that may not be 100% correct, but it's close`
`10:12.52`	`Guerin`	`joel_: note that php5 is not in stable`
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`10:14.49`	`joel_`	`Guerin: cheers - i suppose I can stay on php4 t.b.h. - want to keep stable`
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`10:14.55`	`BiSK-8`	`guerin, so what should i do?`
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`10:15.25`	`Garda`	`a question. are the opengl libraries from the mesa project, much slower than the ones from ati, and if so why.`
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`10:15.37`	`Garda`	`all my opengl apps run real slow`
`10:15.43`	`Guerin`	`BiSK-8: run apt-setup and follow instructions`
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`10:15.50`	`Guerin`	`Garda: #ati`
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`10:16.50`	`BiSK-8`	`guerin, argh..... it dosent find anything in the cds, it says to insert a debian cd`
`10:16.54`	`dimir`	`Morning!`
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`10:17.22`	`Guerin`	`BiSK-8: are you sure it is in fact a debian package cd, not a netinstall?`
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`10:17.31`	`Guerin`	`dimir: get back to me in 5 hours`
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`10:17.55`	`BiSK-8`	`guerin, yes`
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`10:19.30`	`BiSK-8`	`so guerin, what do i do?`
`10:19.38`	`BiSK-8`	`i can midify the source by hand`
`10:19.46`	`BiSK-8`	`but what do i write in it?`
`10:19.56`	`Guerin`	`BiSK-8: fix your router. Don't ask me how.`
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`10:20.11`	`BiSK-8`	`-.-`
`10:20.13`	`BiSK-8`	`ok`
`10:20.17`	`BiSK-8`	`ill ask another question then`
`10:20.19`	`BiSK-8`	`:`
`10:20.31`	`BiSK-8`	`how can i install debian to a computer without internet?`
`10:20.45`	`BiSK-8`	`(my router is not dhcp compatibile)`
`10:21.02`	`OliverTND`	`just put CD-s or DVD-s into drive and reboot`
`10:21.09`	`OliverTND`	`I mean CD or DVD`
`10:21.12`	`nkuttler`	`BiSK-8: use apt-cdrom. but why is it relevant that your router does no dhcp?`
`10:21.14`	`trollboy`	`who says you need dhcp?`
`10:21.17`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: you can assign a static IP`
`10:21.20`	`housetier`	`is it a bug when libtag1-dev or libtagc0-dev do not have a .pc file for pkg-config? when trying to ./configure bmpx it fails with pkg-config complaining there is no taglib.pc`
`10:21.25`	`BiSK-8`	`azeem, how?`
`10:21.39`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: edit /etc/network/interfaces`
`10:21.45`	`BiSK-8`	`ok`
`10:21.48`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: read the interfaces(8) manpage`
`10:21.56`	`BiSK-8`	`and how do i hind out my ip?`
`10:21.59`	`BiSK-8`	`i mean`
`10:22.06`	`BiSK-8`	`how do i pick an ip?`
`10:22.24`	`drac`	`azeem: you must mean (5)`
`10:22.25`	`azeem`	`what is your DSL router good for?`
`10:22.33`	`azeem`	`drac: probably :)`
`10:23.01`	`BiSK-8`	`okokok`
`10:23.06`	`BiSK-8`	`im a bit confused`
`10:23.22`	`BiSK-8`	`lets talk abt installing debian on a computer without internet`
`10:23.33`	`azeem`	`you use a CD, typically`
`10:24.01`	`azeem`	`there are other methods, like booting over the LAN`
`10:24.02`	`housetier`	`this is from config.log: http://paste.husk.org/4353`
`10:24.13`	`BiSK-8`	`http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/`
`10:24.26`	`azeem`	`housetier: are you sure it's the same taglib?`
`10:24.34`	`BiSK-8`	`i have the debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso and debian-31r0a-i386-binary-2.iso`
`10:24.34`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: for example`
`10:24.48`	`BiSK-8`	`and which others do i need to configure the apts?`
`10:24.54`	`BiSK-8`	`atp*`
`10:24.56`	`azeem`	`that's more than enough`
`10:25.07`	`BiSK-8`	`but it wont work`
`10:25.08`	`BiSK-8`	`-.-`
`10:25.13`	`azeem`	`what doesn't work?`
`10:25.25`	`BiSK-8`	`it sais to insert a different debian cd`
`10:25.49`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: doesn't it ask whether you want to inser another CD?`
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`10:25.57`	`azeem`	`did it add those two to sources.list?`
`10:26.01`	`housetier`	`azeem no I am not sure :) I was wondering if I was looking at the correct package; however on pdo I do not find any package in unstable that provides taglib.pc`
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`10:26.19`	`azeem`	`housetier: libtag is for Debian package tags IIRC`
`10:26.35`	`Flawless`	`Is alioth down?`
`10:26.37`	`azeem`	`housetier: so if gmpx is 3rd party software, it likely needs something else (but check on libtag)`
`10:26.43`	`BiSK-8`	`azeem, yes... but i dunno if they were added 2 sources.list`
`10:26.48`	`azeem`	`Flawless: I saw complaints about problems (DNS, SSH)`
`10:26.56`	`Flawless`	`azeem: ok, thanks`
`10:26.59`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: well, check :)`
`10:27.17`	`BiSK-8`	`azeem....`
`10:27.21`	`BiSK-8`	`if it didnt`
`10:27.26`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: ?`
`10:27.26`	`BiSK-8`	`what should i do?`
`10:27.46`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: if it didn't either your CDs, your CD-ROM or (much less likely) apt-cdrom are broken`
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`10:28.17`	`BiSK-8`	`broken???`
`10:28.25`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: look`
`10:28.28`	`BiSK-8`	`so i gotta burn the isos 2 disk again?`
`10:28.29`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: did you check?`
`10:28.33`	`BiSK-8`	`no`
`10:28.36`	`BiSK-8`	`i gotta reboot`
`10:28.37`	`bartden`	`Guerin, i installed sendmail and mailx`
`10:28.38`	`azeem`	`if not, are you playing theoretical games with me?`
`10:28.41`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: why?`
`10:28.41`	`bartden`	`works like a charm`
`10:28.55`	`BiSK-8`	`azeem, caz i got debian on another hdd`
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`10:29.00`	`BiSK-8`	`^^`
`10:29.03`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: and this is Windows?`
`10:29.06`	`BiSK-8`	`no`
`10:29.08`	`BiSK-8`	`ubuntu`
`10:29.11`	`bartden`	`i need a good news reader program that can download binary's from newsgroups , any idea ?`
`10:29.14`	`azeem`	`so mount the hdd and check`
`10:29.31`	`BiSK-8`	`i cant well the box is on`
`10:29.32`	`BiSK-8`	`-.-`
`10:29.40`	`BiSK-8`	`ill reboot`
`10:29.42`	`azeem`	`parse error`
`10:29.42`	`BiSK-8`	`and`
`10:29.49`	`Guerin`	`bartden: noooo, not sendmail`
`10:29.54`	`bartden`	`why not`
`10:30.12`	`Guerin`	`bartden: because you're clearly not a unix guru`
`10:30.17`	`Guerin`	`bartden: install exim4`
`10:30.18`	`BiSK-8`	`how do i see if it added them?`
`10:30.18`	`ralf`	`i can't install debian`
`10:30.24`	`ralf`	`isolinux says crc error`
`10:30.31`	`ralf`	`system halted`
`10:30.31`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: you check /etc/apt/sources.list`
`10:30.42`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: either with cat, more, less or your favourite editor`
`10:30.45`	`BiSK-8`	`i know.... and a source should be`
`10:30.54`	`BiSK-8`	`# source cdrom somthing`
`10:30.58`	`BiSK-8`	`or not?`
`10:31.03`	`azeem`	`you will notice, the CD-ROM sources are rather verbose`
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`10:31.22`	`BiSK-8`	`i remember that i edited the sources.list`
`10:31.25`	`bartden`	`Guerin i have a openbsd router running apache, dns, ftp, sendmail, firewall, dhcp, i know my linux, but i just installed gentoo on my new laptop and it doesnt seem to be in the base install`
`10:31.36`	`bartden`	`and a few clients runnig debian`
`10:31.36`	`BiSK-8`	`and put another # infront of each line`
`10:31.57`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: why?`
`10:32.01`	`BiSK-8`	`caz i was told 2`
`10:32.09`	`azeem`	`# disables that source`
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`10:32.25`	`BiSK-8`	`so i should take out the # and leave only 1?`
`10:32.33`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: I don't know`
`10:32.37`	`BiSK-8`	`well`
`10:32.40`	`BiSK-8`	`check yours`
`10:32.44`	`azeem`	`you should activate those you want to use`
`10:33.04`	`BiSK-8`	`and should a # be infront of em?`
`10:33.15`	`BiSK-8`	`i have 2 #s in front of each line`
`10:33.15`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: mine says "See sources.list(5) for more information"`
`10:33.28`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: 12:27 < azeem> # disables that source`
`10:33.28`	`BiSK-8`	`1 was there already`
`10:33.31`	`BiSK-8`	`and i added 1`
`10:33.45`	`BiSK-8`	`k`
`10:33.47`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: read the sources.list manpage`
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`10:33.53`	`BiSK-8`	`manpage?`
`10:33.57`	`azeem`	`BiSK-8: man sources.list`
`10:34.03`	`citral`	`!faq BiSK-8`
`10:34.04`	`dpkg`	`BiSK-8: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
`10:34.32`	`BiSK-8`	`k`
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`10:38.09`	`ircdevil`	`fvwm truely rox`
`10:38.16`	`ircdevil`	`but its a bitch to configure`
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`10:38.51`	`cievo`	`hello all`
`10:38.57`	`cievo`	`all: does any1 use watchdog?`
`10:39.41`	`douglas`	`yeah`
`10:39.45`	`douglas`	`the bomb`
`10:40.01`	`cievo`	`This morning I found i log Oct 12 04:10:08 localhost watchdog[30314]: loadavg 25 18 10 is higher than the given threshold 24 18 12!`
`10:40.12`	`cievo`	`bu machine did NOT restart ! :)`
`10:40.40`	`douglas`	`could you restart it yourself with a command and not a button push`
`10:40.43`	`cievo`	`/sbu/but`
`10:40.56`	`Gnea`	`hrm`
`10:40.59`	`cievo`	`problem with ssh wa that I logged in but I didn't get promp :)`
`10:41.05`	`cievo`	`FTp worked fine`
`10:41.08`	`cievo`	`apache worked fine`
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`10:41.14`	`cievo`	`but MySQL didn't work at all...`
`10:41.21`	`Gnea`	`cievo: that's a dangerous situation.`
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`10:41.47`	`cievo`	`Gnea: I know.`
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`10:42.05`	`Gnea`	`cievo: are you using a stock kernel?`
`10:42.12`	`cievo`	`Gnea: custom kernel`
`10:42.25`	`Starf^Work`	`when i log out of kde the screen goes black and i have to reboot, even a restart of X doesnt help`
`10:42.29`	`cievo`	`Gnea: + grsec`
`10:42.37`	`douglas`	`in the event your computer gets so screwed up that watchdog can't even do its job, there is a hardware watchdog`
`10:42.48`	`Gnea`	`cievo: k, are you aware that it's possible for the kernel to detect and kill a process(es) that have gone off the deepend without rebooting?`
`10:42.53`	`douglas`	`last install i think it got watchdog in the kernel on its own`
`10:42.54`	`cievo`	`douglas: soft from kernel`
`10:43.04`	`douglas`	`.. oh`
`10:43.22`	`cievo`	`Gnea: i think that grsec killed my 'new' processes because of CPLU load...`
`10:43.35`	`cievo`	`all...i type like an asshole ;) sorry for that :)`
`10:43.44`	`Gnea`	`yeah, software watchdogs are like software raid - they're plagued with limitations and have to be adjusted to accordingly`
`10:43.56`	`cievo`	`Gnea: :)`
`10:44.05`	`Gnea`	`cievo: grsec doesn't handle that, it's a separate kernel function`
`10:44.08`	`cievo`	`Gnea: no problem with soft RAIDs so far :)`
`10:44.13`	`Gnea`	`grsec only sets up boundaries :)`
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`10:44.47`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: that's a clear bug. If you telnet to exim's port 25, it MUST issue a greeting banner`
`10:44.49`	`cievo`	`Gnea: but e-mails worked great...all were delivered...and all crons were done ....`
`10:44.55`	`Zugschlus`	`220 lefler.int.l21.ma.zugschlus.de ESMTP Exim 4.54 Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:44:50 +0000`
`10:44.56`	`cievo`	`Gnea: only ssh was bad and mysql :)`
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`10:45.02`	`Starf^Work`	`anyone?`
`10:45.11`	`Gnea`	`!anyone`
`10:45.11`	`dpkg`	`Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>`
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`10:45.42`	`Gnea`	`cievo: i hope mysql is backed up :)`
`10:45.47`	`cievo`	`Gnea: but interesting is that watchdog didn't restart when there was load....`
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`10:46.00`	`cievo`	`Gnea: Mysql it's alright now ;)`
`10:46.01`	`flavio`	`chi mi pu� dare un p� di aiuto?`
`10:46.03`	`Starf^Work`	`not to mention that even though the main user is the in the group that owns the www folder i still cant change anything in that dir`
`10:46.07`	`Starf^Work`	`its really irritating me`
`10:46.27`	`cievo`	`Gnea: b2b`
`10:46.30`	`Gnea`	`Starf^Work: so what's the problem?`
`10:46.31`	`cievo`	`Gnea: brb`
`10:46.35`	`Gnea`	`k`
`10:46.48`	`flavio`	`:(`
`10:47.28`	`cheal`	`Starf^Work: how are these things related?`
`10:47.41`	`Greek-Boy`	`What are the debian packages for the Pod::Usage and Interpreters::Storable modules? I can't seem to find it :(`
`10:48.03`	`cievo`	`Gnea: back`
`10:48.04`	`Starf^Work`	`i used adduser to stick my user in the www-data group and chown the www dir in var to www-data:www-data and it still wont let me edit directories or copy and paste stuff in there...`
`10:48.12`	`Starf^Work`	`cheal, they arent really, its two problems`
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`10:48.40`	`cievo`	`Gnea: so the question is why the hell watchdog did NOT restart when there was huge load...`
`10:48.47`	`Gnea`	`Starf^Work: you need to make sure the permissions for the gid match the uid`
`10:49.07`	`Starf^Work`	`go on`
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`10:49.25`	`cheal`	`Starf^Work: which video driver do you use?`
`10:49.32`	`Gnea`	`Starf^Work: your files probably look like this: -rw-r--r--`
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`10:49.38`	`Gnea`	`cievo: hrm`
`10:49.39`	`Starf^Work`	`cheal: vesa`
`10:49.56`	`Starf^Work`	`gnea: a gid = group id?`
`10:50.03`	`Gnea`	`Starf^Work: indeed`
`10:50.04`	`Starf^Work`	`uid = user id?`
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`10:50.07`	`Ick`	is anybody from here using jay`s firewall ?
`10:50.08`	`Gnea`	`yes`
`10:50.12`	`Starf^Work`	`thought you meant uid as in unique id`
`10:50.20`	`Gnea`	`no, this is linux, not windows`
`10:50.22`	`Gnea`	`:)`
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`10:50.39`	`Lutin_Triste`	`okay`
`10:50.39`	`Starf^Work`	`yeah if this was windows i wouldnt need help`
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`10:50.54`	`Gnea`	`moving forward...`
`10:51.05`	`Starf^Work`	`meh`
`10:51.06`	`Starf^Work`	`one sec`
`10:51.52`	`Starf^Work`	`whats the chmod code for rw for owner and group but not other`
`10:51.52`	`Gnea`	`Starf^Work: for one thing, the gid needs to have permissions set to the root directory where the files are kept, and the files themselves require the write bit to be set as well`
`10:52.06`	`Gnea`	`'other'? you mean world?`
`10:52.12`	`Starf^Work`	`yeah`
`10:52.16`	`Starf^Work`	`is it 666`
`10:52.17`	`Gnea`	`664 would do it`
`10:52.20`	`Starf^Work`	`ok`
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`10:52.45`	`Starf^Work`	`meh`
`10:52.51`	`Starf^Work`	`shouldnt have done -R on that`
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`10:52.57`	`Gnea`	`LOL`
`10:53.02`	`Starf^Work`	`is there an undo? :)`
`10:53.05`	`Gnea`	`no :)`
`10:53.07`	`Gnea`	`but`
`10:53.15`	`Starf^Work`	`grabs the install cd`
`10:53.20`	`Gnea`	`wait.`
`10:53.23`	`Starf^Work`	`lol okl`
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`10:53.45`	`Gnea`	for i in `find . -type d`; do j=`echo $i`; chmod 775 "$j"; done
`10:53.56`	`Starf^Work`	`say what?`
`10:53.59`	`Starf^Work`	`lol`
`10:54.04`	`franckFF`	`hello`
`10:54.13`	`Starf^Work`	`what'll that do?`
`10:54.19`	`Gnea`	`"locate files that are directories, and for each one do a chmod 775 to it"`
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`10:54.38`	`Guerin`	`Starf^Work: you're too stupid to use chmod`
`10:54.46`	`Gnea`	`Guerin: STFU`
`10:55.12`	`Guerin`	`Gnea: OMFG`
`10:55.15`	`housetier`	`the source package for libtag1-dev ( http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libdevel/libtag1-dev ) contains a file taglib.pc.in but I cannot find it in the .deb package`
`10:55.25`	`sparr`	`I want the machine at 192.168.6.2 to be able to use 192.168.6.1's internet connection, via IP Masquerading most likely. .6.1 is connected to the net via eth0, and to .6.2 by usb0. so far they both have static IPs and can ping each other, what type of setup do i need to do on .6.1 to do the forwarding?`
`10:55.29`	`Gnea`	`Guerin: go sit in the corner :)`
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`10:55.32`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: let me recap since we last spoke, i purged exim4-daemon-light, which also removed exim-base, but left my /etc/exim4 dir intact, then re-installed (which actually pulled in new packages) even though (and i dont blame you if you dont believe me) i issued a dist-upgrade earlier today.. shrug`
`10:55.32`	`joel_`	`I've just install cacti and I'm getting - Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect()`
`10:55.35`	`joel_`	`any tips?`
`10:55.39`	`Guerin`	`Gnea: already there`
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`10:55.46`	`joel_`	`ahh php.ini I bet`
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`10:56.04`	`jm_`	`sparr: read the docs on netfilter.org`
`10:56.12`	`mick_home`	`can someone tell me whats up with: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ ?`
`10:56.21`	`mick_home`	`down? or bad link?`
`10:56.29`	`franckFF`	`joel php-mysql or perl-mysql you have ?`
`10:56.32`	`sparr`	`jm_: no thanks, ive already wasted hours doing that`
`10:56.37`	`liable`	`Zugschlus: and i am now getting a greeting banner..`
`10:56.57`	`Gnea`	`Starf^Work: in the first place, you would have wanted to do the same, except for 664 and change the type from [d]irectory to [f]ile`
`10:57.08`	`joel_`	`franckFF: sorted it mate.. bloody php.ini lol`
`10:57.11`	`joel_`	`my fault`
`10:57.16`	`Gnea`	`mick_home: doesn't exist`
`10:57.17`	`jm_`	`ahh you'll rather waste time on IRC, good enough for me too`
`10:57.19`	`citral`	`mick_home: seems to be down`
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`10:57.38`	`mick_home`	`i saw the post about it iun the mailing list`
`10:57.48`	`jethro`	`now that's funny, reading docs is a waste of time`
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`10:57.51`	`mick_home`	`i was currious`
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`10:58.15`	`Gnea`	`jethro: let's leave your mom out of this`
`10:58.20`	`cheal`	`mick_home: hum, seems up now`
`10:58.33`	`nelf`	`I've done a couple of installs recently and notice that the 'debian-non-us' lines are no longer in /etc/apt/sources.list - why is this?`
`10:58.43`	`sparr`	`jm_: i dont need 400 pages of docs. if memory serves, what i need is a simple 3 line script, i just cant find it`
`10:58.46`	`citral`	`topic topic topic`
`10:58.48`	`mick_home`	`my friend maintains the kernel docs on tldp - and I wanted to see what and where they may overlap (or if it was only debian related stuff)`
`10:58.53`	`nelf`	`Is it because they are no longer need, or because I missed something?`
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`10:58.59`	`Gnea`	`nelf: it's been that way for over a month now`
`10:59.05`	`citral`	`nelf: read the /topic`
`10:59.09`	`joel_`	`how can I reset the root mysql password after installing mysql-server?`
`10:59.13`	`jm_`	`sparr: those two commands can be found in Rusty's howtos, but good luck`
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`10:59.19`	`Zugschlus`	`liable: good ;)`
`10:59.49`	`Gnea`	`joel_: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-4.1/README.Debian.gz`
`10:59.55`	`Starf^Work`	`i am not too stupid to use chmod, i just forgot that there was another directory in the www folder that shouldnt have been changed to 664`
`10:59.56`	`nelf`	`citral, I did`
`10:59.57`	`sparr`	`jm_: the good news is that trying the first script i found broke my networking completely. as of right now i am unable to make outbound connections fromt his PC, but existing connections are still working`
`11:00.40`	`jethro`	`!pal Starf^Work`
`11:00.44`	`cheal`	`mick_home: it's debian stuff, but alioth seems to be in bad shapê`
`11:00.47`	`cheal`	`shape`
`11:00.57`	`Gnea`	`!helixsmite jethro`
`11:01.00`	`mick_home`	`ya`
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`11:01.07`	`nelf`	`Gnea/citral: is there any docs that explain why debian-non-us is no longer needed?`
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`11:01.23`	`jethro`	`someone I have on ignore must've done something :)`
`11:01.28`	`Gnea`	`nelf: nafaik, but one can search...`
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`11:01.37`	`mick_home`	`i imagine that there is no package yet either :-/`
`11:01.41`	`ircdevil`	`joel_: #mysql`
`11:01.48`	`citral`	`nelf: did you /mesg dpkg crypto in main like the /topic suggests?`
`11:01.56`	`blindboygrunt`	`i notice that when you install something, apt installs all relevent packages to run the program, however when you remove something, it only removed that package not the dependacies which were installed, is there a way to remove these packages too, if they are not being used for any other program?`
`11:02.12`	`Starf^Work`	`ok answer me this i set the folder www to 664 and the owner and group is www-data, of which the user I am on with is a part of via adduser command, yet with the mode on 664 it denies me access`
`11:02.15`	`nelf`	`citral: Sorry, temporary blindness`
`11:02.24`	`cheal`	`mick_home: me too`
`11:02.37`	`mick_home`	`if all else fails... google cache`
`11:02.39`	`mick_home`	`http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:fVV06fBA9G0J:kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/+debian+kernel+handbook&hl=en&client=firefox`
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`11:03.25`	`cheal`	`OMG`
`11:03.34`	`cheal`	`eclipse is in NEW`
`11:03.45`	`sparr`	`iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE`
`11:03.46`	`sparr`	`hooray!`
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`11:06.13`	`cheal`	`what's up with alioth?`
`11:06.16`	`Starf^Work`	`well?`
`11:07.32`	`Starf^Work`	`back after a reinstall`
`11:07.35`	`Garda`	`was ecliipse brought out by ibm to destroy sun`
`11:07.38`	`Starf^Work`	`might look at another dist`
`11:07.51`	`Garda`	`isn't that why they called it eclipse. to eclipse the sun`
`11:07.58`	`cheal`	`hehehe`
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`11:08.59`	`SOLDNER_K`	`www.lrc.gameslife.ru - Lada Racing Club`
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`11:10.11`	`Garda`	`who here does computer science at uni. i don't but i want to know, how hard is programming in second semester, first year`
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`11:11.28`	`Whitman`	`Depends on how much of an aptitude you have for programming.`
`11:11.42`	`cievo`	`w`
`11:11.59`	`SOLDNER_K`	`www.lrc.gameslife.ru - Lada Racing Club`
`11:12.01`	`Garda`	`cos i have this mate, he's doing java programming and he says he's going to fail`
`11:12.15`	`Garda`	`fell kinda sorry for him`
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`11:12.40`	`Whitman`	`The first year isn't difficult at all if you put some work in and generally understand programming principles.`
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`11:13.08`	`Garda`	`if it's easy and he's failing anyway, i guess i'm not going to feel so bad for him, if he's just being lazy`
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`11:13.50`	`Garda`	`you know what the worst thing is but. i'm learning matlab for my maths subject.`
`11:14.04`	`Garda`	`everyone else does c++ for their programming component`
`11:14.32`	`Garda`	`isn't it wrong the educational institutions teach programming on a proprietory platform like matlab`
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`11:15.07`	`Garda`	`i can't even do my assignment. i have to use the maths labs when they're not full`
`11:15.11`	`franckFF`	`iptables is ok for load balancing ( PF openbsd can make this ) ??`
`11:15.16`	`Whitman`	`Not really, we used it during out comsci course, as well as many other obscure languages.`
`11:15.43`	`jethro`	`franckFF: www.lartc.org`
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`11:17.28`	`Garda`	`whitman: would matlab be slower than c++ or c cos it doesn't get compiled`
`11:17.33`	`franckFF`	`jethro: thk`
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`11:18.49`	`Whitman`	`Most likely.`
`11:19.10`	`emac`	`what kind of circumstances is it useful to use a linux router over cisco routers etc.?`
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`11:19.20`	`housetier`	`so I copied taglib.pc.in from the source package to /usr/lib/pkg-config/taglib.pc and edited it; now ./configure completes. I really think that file ought to be in the libtag1-dev or libtagc0-dev package`
`11:20.00`	`Garda`	`is it possible to connect to an irc network through a web proxy that allows only port 8080`
`11:20.10`	`drac`	`housetier: file a bug report.`
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`11:20.12`	`Starf^Work`	`hmmmm`
`11:20.14`	`Starf^Work`	`2.4 or 2.6?`
`11:20.18`	`rapsys`	`how restart the X server .?`
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`11:20.27`	`Starf^Work`	`ctrl alt del`
`11:20.29`	`drac`	`rapsys: ctrl-alt-backspace`
`11:20.30`	`Starf^Work`	`backspace`
`11:20.31`	`Starf^Work`	`even`
`11:20.33`	`Garda`	`i wouldn't think so, but there are people using msn messenger at uni and that wouldn't work on port 8080`
`11:20.36`	`rapsys`	`under mandriva a single /etc/init.d/dm restart is enough`
`11:20.49`	`rapsys`	`but I want to know how do it through ssh...`
`11:20.49`	`Starf^Work`	`whats mandriva.... someone saying they running it`
`11:20.55`	`Starf^Work`	`obviously its a dist, but of`
`11:21.08`	`cheal`	`rapsys: same way`
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`11:21.16`	`cheal`	`!mandriva`
`11:21.16`	`dpkg`	`somebody said mandriva was the new name (2005.04) of the merged Mandrake Linux and Conectiva Linux companies.`
`11:21.22`	`rapsys`	`I need restart the X service of someone on a debian system`
`11:21.42`	`rapsys`	`not my own X server (I know how to do this...)`
`11:22.03`	`cheal`	`rapsys: of course you have to do it on the remote shell, not the local one`
`11:22.03`	`rapsys`	`is their a way to do it remotely ?`
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`11:22.22`	`rapsys`	`cheal: I am logged through ssh on the remote box`
`11:22.31`	`rapsys`	`i need restart his X server`
`11:22.40`	`rapsys`	`how to do ?`
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`11:24.14`	`cheal`	`rapsys: yes`
`11:24.34`	`rapsys`	`cheal: what command to use?`
`11:24.40`	`cheal`	`rapsys: /etc/init.d/?dm restart`
`11:24.48`	`rapsys`	`I have an other problem :`
`11:25.03`	`rapsys`	`I have many /etc/gdm/XKeepsCrashing as process`
`11:25.23`	`cheal`	`uh?`
`11:25.26`	`rapsys`	`and a whiptail --yesno I can't start X server...`
`11:25.48`	`liable`	`wtf?`
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`11:26.11`	`SimonRaven`	`x keeps crashing, and gdm as a consequence`
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`11:26.36`	`SimonRaven`	`you need to figure out why x is "crashing" (i.e., exiting)`
`11:27.03`	`xoz`	`SimonRaven: use start from console`
`11:27.10`	`xoz`	`startx`
`11:27.19`	`SimonRaven`	`i'm not the one with the problem`
`11:27.38`	`rapsys`	`Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.`
`11:27.41`	`SimonRaven`	`and i do know how to fix that...`
`11:27.54`	`SimonRaven`	`read the x server log...`
`11:27.56`	`rapsys`	`(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.`
`11:27.57`	`liable`	`rapsys: so reconfigure x..`
`11:28.01`	`rapsys`	`I have this error`
`11:28.09`	`rapsys`	`I already reconfigure it`
`11:28.22`	`liable`	`not right, obviously..`
`11:28.26`	`SimonRaven`	`read. the. log.`
`11:28.31`	`antgel`	`rapsys: did you edit the XF86Config by hand?`
`11:28.39`	`rapsys`	`how much video memory should I put for a mga millenium 2 ?`
`11:28.53`	`liable`	`leave it blank.`
`11:29.00`	`rapsys`	`ok`
`11:29.04`	`rapsys`	`I reconfigure it then`
`11:29.25`	`SimonRaven`	`you don't need to, it auto-detects`
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`11:31.40`	`EvilBastard`	`how do I tell Grub to boot my cdrom? Bios settings has cdrom as first device. My OS wont mount the cdrom. Im trying to install a higher version than what Ive got but the cd wont boot.`
`11:32.02`	`rapsys`	`what type is a com port mouse ?`
`11:32.32`	`rapsys`	`/dev/psaux ?`
`11:32.33`	`rapsys`	`or input/mice ?`
`11:32.33`	`citral`	`EvilBastard: uh, if the bios doesn't boot it it's probably not a real bootable cdrom`
`11:32.41`	`EvilBastard`	`yes it is`
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`11:32.58`	`EvilBastard`	`I did an md5 checksum is ok`
`11:33.08`	`EvilBastard`	`and Ive used it on another computer`
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`11:33.19`	`antgel`	`EvilBastard: fix the bios`
`11:33.29`	`EvilBastard`	`nothing wrong with it`
`11:33.39`	`Nurbs`	`if there was nothing wrong it would boot :)`
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`11:33.43`	`antgel`	`EvilBastard: yes there is, it doesn't boot`
`11:33.49`	`EvilBastard`	`lol`
`11:33.52`	`Garda`	`is it hard to install debian on a dell inspiron`
`11:34.02`	`Garda`	`i heard that they boot in a wierd way`
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`11:34.29`	`citral`	`Garda: "inspiron" is way too vague, google for specific model`
`11:34.49`	`citral`	`look at tuxmobile.org btw`
`11:34.56`	`Garda`	`inspiron 9300. it's written on the side`
`11:35.21`	`citral`	`err tuxmobil`
`11:35.40`	`EvilBastard`	`The cdrom gets detected and the OS wont mount it so how is that my bios is the problem?`
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`11:36.15`	`antgel`	`EvilBastard: aha. are you trying to mount it or boot from it?`
`11:36.21`	`EvilBastard`	`both`
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`11:36.36`	`EvilBastard`	`I boot up and Grub comes up`
`11:36.39`	`antgel`	`EvilBastard: perhaps it's the cd-rom driver?`
`11:36.45`	`antgel`	`s/driver/drive`
`11:36.48`	`EvilBastard`	`I enter the OS and it wont mount`
`11:36.53`	`chea1`	`rapsys: sorry, I missed what you said after "I have many /etc/gdm/XKeepsCrashing as process"`
`11:37.02`	`citral`	`bad cd`
`11:37.03`	`franckFF`	`bye`
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`11:37.07`	`EvilBastard`	`cd is ok`
`11:37.08`	`liable`	`EvilBastard: what exactly are you doing? if you want to upgrade from cdrom, use apt-setup`
`11:37.22`	`EvilBastard`	`ahh thanks Ill try that`
`11:37.22`	`antgel`	`EvilBastard: bad cdrom _drive_`
`11:37.30`	`Garda`	`evilbastard: the cd is probably ok. you just have to type in the right mount options`
`11:37.55`	`liable`	`EvilBastard: or apt-cdrom, i should say..`
`11:38.09`	`rapsys`	`chea1 how does I configure a com1 port mouse`
`11:38.29`	`EvilBastard`	`apt-setup command not found`
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`11:38.37`	`liable`	`as root...`
`11:38.40`	`EvilBastard`	`yup`
`11:39.03`	`liable`	`info apt-setup sarge`
`11:39.09`	`Starf^Work`	`new install for apache, php and mysql for zencart and phpbb should i use 2.4 or 2.6?`
`11:39.09`	`citral`	`... is it gentoo?`
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`11:39.38`	`EvilBastard`	`Im trying to reinstall a higher version but cant boot the cd but if I pull the hd it boots`
`11:39.43`	`liable`	`!info apt-setup sarge`
`11:39.44`	`liable`	`duh`
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`11:40.27`	`chealer`	`rapsys: sorry I don't know`
`11:40.34`	`Starf^Work`	`EvilBastard, silly question but you checked master/slave`
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`11:40.41`	`EvilBastard`	`yes`
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`11:40.50`	`liable`	`EvilBastard: you have base-config installed/`
`11:40.50`	`citral`	`apt-setup is in base-config`
`11:40.57`	`Starf^Work`	`cdrom on master on its own channel then?>`
`11:41.08`	`EvilBastard`	`as slave`
`11:41.15`	`Starf^Work`	`set it to secondary master and try it`
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`11:41.23`	`chealer`	`Starf^Work: depends on the hardware`
`11:41.31`	`EvilBastard`	`is on a laptop`
`11:41.36`	`Starf^Work`	`lol`
`11:41.36`	`xiaogil`	`where to install the dictionary files of Stardict ?`
`11:41.51`	`Garda`	`evilBastard: you haven't already tried mounting it with just a normal mount command. like mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom`
`11:41.52`	`Starf^Work`	`and you pull hte hd regularly on the laptoip?`
`11:41.58`	`cockroach`	`hi. i seem to have trouble connecting to a freeswan (2.01) server using sid's current openswan. is anyone aware of a reason (and maybe a fix) for that?`
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`11:42.07`	`EvilBastard`	`no but Ill try now`
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`11:42.18`	`Starf^Work`	`EvilBastard, is this a boot from cdrom as in new OS style install ?`
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`11:42.33`	`Starf^Work`	`or am i getting wrong end of the proverbial stick`
`11:42.35`	`ircdevil`	`did bash.org move somewhere or did they realize it wasnt fun anymore?`
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`11:43.33`	`chealer`	`is there to justify a rollback on wiki.d.o (Moin)?`
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`11:43.44`	`chealer`	`s/to/a way to/`
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`11:44.45`	`Starf^Work`	`2.4 or 2.6 kernel?`
`11:45.19`	`EvilBastard`	`its a boot from a cdrom as in higher version of the same OS. The current version hates my laptop`
`11:45.25`	`chealer`	`Starf^Work: depends on the hardware`
`11:45.48`	`liable`	`EvilBastard: are you actually trying to boot from it or what?`
`11:45.55`	`Starf^Work`	`chealer, desktop system running as a server, apache mysql php`
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`11:46.12`	`Starf^Work`	`EvilBastard, is it a bootable cd?`
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`11:46.20`	`Starf^Work`	`lol`
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`11:46.35`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`!install xserver`
`11:46.43`	`liable`	`EvilBastard: explain wtf you are actually trying to achieve..`
`11:46.47`	`EvilBastard`	`yes same as Ive always did from version 3.3 to 3.9 now I want to put in 4.2`
`11:46.49`	`Starf^Work`	`chealer, you going to elaborate?`
`11:46.56`	`liable`	`!tell HeLpSysTeM about /msg the bot`
`11:47.05`	`liable`	`!tell HeLpSysTeM about msg the bot`
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`11:47.54`	`chealer`	`Starf^Work: apache, mysql and php are not hardware. and desktop is pretty vague. if you can't point to something that would cause problems with either version, use either version or the default one`
`11:48.12`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`its not responding`
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`11:48.14`	`moeen`	`how can I know the Periority and Section of a one package ?`
`11:48.46`	`Starf^Work`	`chealer: yeah that was my question, which is best to use, ie there must be a reason you get the option,`
`11:48.50`	`chealer`	`HeLpSysTeM: dpkg ignores requests for factoids that don't exist`
`11:48.51`	`liable`	`HeLpSysTeM: if it doesnt know what you are on about, it wont answer, try listkeys foo`
`11:49.01`	`chealer`	`moeen: use packages.d.o`
`11:49.20`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`ok`
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`11:49.42`	`moeen`	`chealer, where is that ?`
`11:49.46`	`EvilBastard`	`I have an OS on my laptop I just installed 5 days ago. It hates my laptop. I want to do a fresh install of the same OS but higher version.`
`11:49.51`	`chealer`	`moeen: or even better, packages.qa.d.o`
`11:50.18`	`moeen`	`chealer, how can I use it ?`
`11:50.19`	`EvilBastard`	`but the cdrom wont boot`
`11:50.29`	`antgel`	`EvilBastard: what os?`
`11:50.35`	`liable`	`EvilBastard: and that os is what?`
`11:51.06`	`liable`	`EvilBastard: if you are using an etch d-i, then check for bugs for it.`
`11:51.07`	`EvilBastard`	`knoppix debian hd install`
`11:51.13`	`liable`	`gah!`
`11:51.16`	`antgel`	`grr`
`11:51.19`	`chealer`	`Starf^Work: yes, there's a reason. both versions have different hardware support`
`11:51.20`	`liable`	`go away!`
`11:51.22`	`moeen`	`chealer, r u there ?`
`11:51.31`	`chealer`	`moeen: yes`
`11:51.42`	`chealer`	`moeen: packages.qa.d.o is at packages.qa.debian.org`
`11:51.43`	`moeen`	`chealer, how can I use packages.qa.d.o ?!`
`11:51.57`	`liable`	`EvilBastard: try debian, or piss off!`
`11:52.09`	`moeen`	`chealer, there isn't any way to find it out with apt-cache ?`
`11:52.15`	`EvilBastard`	`I did try Debian`
`11:52.21`	`chealer`	`moeen: oh, yes, of course`
`11:52.26`	`EvilBastard`	`I think the installer is crap`
`11:52.44`	`chealer`	`moeen: apt-cache show foo`
`11:52.56`	`liable`	`if you cant use the d-i, then...`
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`11:53.18`	`moeen`	`chealer, ah, yes :D I tried showpkg that doesn't show it ! thx man ;)`
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`11:53.38`	`Starf^Work`	`does 2.4 have inbuilt support for the intel PRO/100 VE nic?`
`11:54.15`	`liable`	`EvilBastard: well, even though the debian installer is crap, why do you think we can help with installing knoppix?`
`11:54.32`	`EvilBastard`	`I dont want help installing knoppix`
`11:54.37`	`liable`	`Starf^Work: believe so.`
`11:54.43`	`chealer`	`Starf^Work: most likely (unless it's recent hardware). nothing beets google to figure out whether some hardware is supported by linux`
`11:54.44`	`Starf^Work`	`k`
`11:54.46`	`EvilBastard`	`I want to know if Grub can boot to the cdrom`
`11:55.03`	`joel_`	`what't the best FTP server?`
`11:55.07`	`EvilBastard`	`I used to use lilo`
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`11:55.11`	`EvilBastard`	`had no problems`
`11:55.15`	`Starf^Work`	`lol`
`11:55.41`	`liable`	`EvilBastard: you mean, you had a lilo conf that used to boot a cd?`
`11:55.51`	`Starf^Work`	`point?`
`11:55.52`	`Starf^Work`	`lol`
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`11:56.04`	`Starf^Work`	`knoppix is a live-cd anyway isnt it`
`11:56.08`	`joel_`	`what can I use for SFTP?`
`11:56.09`	`EvilBastard`	`something like that`
`11:56.18`	`liable`	`bullshit.`
`11:56.18`	`Starf^Work`	`ie stick it in and it boots with or without os on the hd as it ignores the hsd`
`11:56.20`	`Starf^Work`	`hd`
`11:56.52`	`Starf^Work`	`and anyway there is a channel its called #knoppix`
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`11:57.38`	`johaBBa`	`is there a php accelerator in Sarge? i used php4-apc in Woody but can't find it in Sarge.`
`11:57.45`	`Starf^Work`	`liable, gonna say anything else?`
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`11:57.54`	`liable`	`Starf^Work: about what?`
`11:58.07`	`Starf^Work`	`well you said bs`
`11:58.10`	`Starf^Work`	`then nothing else`
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`11:58.30`	`liable`	`Starf^Work: wasnt directed at you..`
`11:58.37`	`Starf^Work`	`k`
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`11:59.29`	`liable`	`Starf^Work: was refering to EvilBastard saying that lilo used to boot a cd..`
`11:59.35`	`chealer`	`johaBBa: no`
`11:59.36`	`Starf^Work`	`#:)`
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`12:00.03`	`Starf^Work`	`i think i need to start doing more with linux`
`12:00.06`	`lestest`	`hi there ... how do I set a password for a db user with postgresql?`
`12:00.17`	`Starf^Work`	`my home install does and ircd, xchat and an eggdrop`
`12:00.19`	`Starf^Work`	`thats it`
`12:00.32`	`Starf^Work`	`i really should know far much more about it than i do`
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`12:02.34`	`Starf^Work`	`what replace xserver-xfree86 again?`
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`12:02.57`	`chealer`	`from etch, xserver-xorg`
`12:02.58`	`dimir`	`xserver-xorg?`
`12:03.02`	`EvilBastard`	`Okay let me change my question: Can I tell Grub to boot my cdrom instead of my HD some how? I dont need an explaination a yes or no will do then Ill spend a week learning something that shouldnt be such a chore to do.`
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`12:03.12`	`Starf^Work`	`hmmm not listed in dselect list`
`12:03.17`	`Starf^Work`	`opt x11`
`12:03.23`	`fireba11`	`EvilBastard uhm .. booting from CD should be a bios taks ^^`
`12:03.27`	`Starf^Work`	`onyl xfree86 ver`
`12:03.31`	`chealer`	`Starf^Work: which release?`
`12:03.40`	`Starf^Work`	`3.1 debian`
`12:03.42`	`Starf^Work`	`sarge`
`12:03.46`	`rutski89`	`EvilBastard: yea, thats really not grubs job`
`12:03.47`	`Starf^Work`	`2.4 kern`
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`12:03.53`	`N0S3`	`hello!`
`12:03.58`	`Starf^Work`	`net-inst disc`
`12:04.02`	`chealer`	`Starf^Work: that's normal. nothing replaces xserver-xfree86 in sarge`
`12:04.07`	`rutski89`	`EvilBastard: although maybe... can you tell it to boot via /dev/cdrom0 as root or something?`
`12:04.09`	`Starf^Work`	`k`
`12:04.12`	`N0S3`	`im need help`
`12:04.32`	`Gnea`	`!tell N0S3 about ask`
`12:04.56`	`N0S3`	`Gnea sorry by my english!`
`12:04.56`	`Starf^Work`	`where is .ar?`
`12:05.07`	`chealer`	`Starf^Work: what?`
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`12:05.21`	`Starf^Work`	`N0S3, is from .ar`
`12:05.32`	`chealer`	`argentina?`
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`12:05.35`	`N0S3`	`ajajaj yes im`
`12:05.41`	`N0S3`	`im argentinian`
`12:05.43`	`N0S3`	`:-(`
`12:05.45`	`chealer`	`!ar`
`12:05.45`	`dpkg`	`well, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina`
`12:05.59`	`Starf^Work`	`k`
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`12:06.14`	`Gnea`	`N0S3: i was attacking your english abilities?`
`12:06.22`	`EvilBastard`	`oh even better can I format or del my HD with partition software and make my OS commit suicide? I probably need to learn more terminal commands but if I knew alot about Linux I probably wouldnt be here asking questions`
`12:06.27`	`fireba11`	`hm ... if i got several NICs of the same type .. how do i find out which got which eth number ?`
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`12:06.49`	`cahoot`	`fireba11: MAC?`
`12:07.02`	`Gnea`	`EvilBastard: just stick to windows, you'll be better off`
`12:07.13`	`liable`	`EvilBastard: sure, boot an install disk, and delete your partitions.`
`12:07.18`	`EvilBastard`	`I have Windows on my other computer`
`12:07.24`	`EvilBastard`	`lol`
`12:07.31`	`fireba11`	`cahoot: i want to find out where to plug my cable quickly ^^`
`12:07.41`	`Gnea`	`EvilBastard: then write a batch script :)`
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`12:08.11`	`Gnea`	`EvilBastard: how does it go again? deltree /Y C:\ or something? :)`
`12:08.51`	`liable`	`magnet!`
`12:09.36`	`N0S3`	`im need a dynamic dns client, this work under "public ip" "zoneedit"`
`12:10.02`	`liable`	`engrish?`
`12:10.57`	`Gnea`	`N0S3: ddclient`
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`12:11.26`	`N0S3`	`Gnea yes, i have installed this packet!`
`12:11.49`	`N0S3`	`Gnea but ddclient not working correctly`
`12:12.20`	`CompWizrd`	`did you setup an account on whatever service?`
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`12:12.26`	`N0S3`	`Gnea not update!`
`12:12.43`	`liable`	`it only updates on reconnection iirc`
`12:13.04`	`liable`	`most routers do it these days.`
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`12:14.10`	`cahoot`	`N0S3: thinking of dhclient?`
`12:14.12`	`Gnea`	`N0S3: i don't use it, you'll have to search for something... apt-cache search dyndns`
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`12:14.56`	`N0S3`	`Gnea Gnea ok very thanks!`
`12:15.15`	`N0S3`	`Gnea cahoot im goto workint`
`12:15.24`	`N0S3`	`Gnea cahoot im working`
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`12:16.51`	`coachz`	`hi, In /etc/rc3.d do I need S21nfs-common or just S20nfs-kernel-server. I'm thinking the nfs-common is preventing nfs from starting correctly because when i manually stop nfs and just run nfs-kernel-server it works.`
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`12:17.20`	`rapsys`	`remove the symbolic link`
`12:17.22`	`rapsys`	`and test`
`12:17.37`	`liable`	`coachz: your default runlevel is 3?`
`12:17.37`	`rapsys`	`it will just no start the service on boot`
`12:17.40`	`coachz`	`yes 3`
`12:18.01`	`liable`	`why?`
`12:18.08`	`coachz`	`and in /etc/init.d just running nfs-kernel-server works`
`12:18.18`	`coachz`	`so i'm thinking nfs-common is mucking things up`
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`12:19.18`	`coachz`	`my nfs is working now, i was just looking for confirmation that nfs-common does not need running`
`12:19.20`	`ogu`	`hi`
`12:19.31`	`ogu`	`can someone give me an /etc/network/interfaces ?`
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`12:19.44`	`deepan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:19.46`	`Juul`	`hi, i'm installing debian 3.1r0 using the Debian-Installer rc3. i'm just wondering, what is the default kernel it installs with?`
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`12:19.59`	`Juul`	`2.2, 2.4 or 2.6 ?`
`12:20.00`	`chealer`	`Juul: 2.4.27 on i386`
`12:20.08`	`Juul`	`thanks`
`12:20.12`	`pureone`	`ogu man 5 interfaces`
`12:20.19`	`coachz`	`ogu http://david.decotigny.free.fr/libre/ibook2-debian/etc/network/interfaces`
`12:20.25`	`liable`	`Juul: but you can boot with linux26 for 2.6`
`12:20.38`	`ogu`	`thx`
`12:20.41`	`rapsys`	`deepan: use proftpd it works fine`
`12:20.52`	`xoz`	`Juul: for new hardware, you have better support with linu26 boot`
`12:21.05`	`coachz`	`so i'm gonna remove s21nfs-common from /etc/rc3.d`
`12:21.08`	`Juul`	`yeah, but the cdrom boot prompt option only lists linux24 which is what confused me`
`12:21.16`	`deepan`	`rapsys: does proftpd has ssl/tls support... i really dont know what ssl/tls means...`
`12:21.24`	`liable`	`Juul: then you have an etch installer.`
`12:21.32`	`Juul`	`etch?`
`12:21.41`	`rapsys`	`deepan: it mean a encrypted tunel between client en server`
`12:21.45`	`Juul`	`just tried linux26 even though it wasn't listed and it worked`
`12:21.45`	`liable`	`Juul: which is default 2.6, and 2.4 as option..`
`12:21.51`	`Juul`	`ah`
`12:21.57`	`Juul`	`cool thanks`
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`12:21.59`	`deepan`	`thank you rapsys`
`12:22.15`	`rapsys`	`deepan: but you better hae to look for ipsec or VPN`
`12:22.25`	`liable`	`Juul: got a url where you got it?`
`12:22.35`	`rapsys`	`deepan: you should look for VPN or ipsec`
`12:22.39`	`deepan`	`rapsys: how does VPN help..`
`12:22.39`	`Juul`	`http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/`
`12:22.53`	`liable`	`.. exact one?`
`12:23.01`	`Juul`	`liable, http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso`
`12:23.02`	`deepan`	`you mean the theory will help me understand.. rapsys`
`12:23.05`	`rapsys`	`deepan: you not need then a tls or any encrypted protocol`
`12:23.07`	`Starf^Work`	`anyone got hte security apt source?`
`12:23.11`	`Juul`	`liable, the i386 netinst`
`12:23.15`	`rapsys`	`it the connexion that is encrypted then`
`12:23.17`	`liable`	`Juul: yup, thats etch, ie not stable..`
`12:23.22`	`rapsys`	`in http/ftp/so on...`
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`12:23.37`	`deepan`	`oh.. thanks rapsys`
`12:23.39`	`kurtak`	`coachz: i just saw what you wrote (maybe i'm coming out of context), but look into update-rc.d for taking out/placing scripts in init.d`
`12:23.40`	`chealer`	`Starf^Work: yes`
`12:23.40`	`streuner`	`deepan: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/ncftp`
`12:23.42`	`Juul`	`liable, ah`
`12:23.52`	`rapsys`	`deepan: explain your need, it would be easy to say you then the better way`
`12:24.02`	`ogu`	`whats the entry "auto eth0" in interfaces ?`
`12:24.10`	`ogu`	`what do this entry`
`12:24.12`	`Starf^Work`	`chealer can you paste me the apt line for it please?`
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`12:24.14`	`streuner`	`deepan: there should be a SSL lib in order it would support SSL then...`
`12:24.27`	`ogu`	`i have static ip`
`12:24.31`	`chealer`	`Starf^Work: look in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list if you're on stable`
`12:24.33`	`liable`	`ogu: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/interfaces.gz`
`12:24.35`	`deepan`	`i need a ftp client that has SSL/TLS (explicit ) support.. that is all my need .. i need a command line tool.`
`12:24.51`	`Starf^Work`	`yeah thats where i need to put it into`
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`12:24.59`	`en1gma`	`i have a Q that is not debian related (sorry but it important) im doing a bankruptcy and i have dloaded the forms (they are pdf) can someone tell me how to use acrobat to add text where ever i want. i have been messing with it for like 2 hours cant figure this out`
`12:25.02`	`chealer`	`Starf^Work: no`
`12:25.07`	`en1gma`	`im using acrobat 7 pro`
`12:25.22`	`fireba11`	`is there really no other way to check what nic got what number other than trying ?`
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`12:25.37`	`Starf^Work`	`ok`
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`12:25.42`	`Starf^Work`	`will check in a min`
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`12:26.11`	`liable`	`en1gma: thats all well, but how would we know? try a windows channel maybe.`
`12:26.11`	`en1gma`	`i badiacally just need to add text to these forms. i dont want to change the form (just add text) like if i stuck the printed out form in a typewriter`
`12:26.19`	`en1gma`	`basicaly`
`12:26.29`	`en1gma`	`*`
`12:26.35`	`en1gma`	`btw Gmorning peeps`
`12:26.37`	`deepan`	`streuner: how do i check if i have SSL lib in my comp`
`12:26.57`	`liable`	`dpkg -l openssl`
`12:26.59`	`dpkg`	`No packages found matching openssl`
`12:27.01`	`Starf^Work`	`you just call me a peep?!?!?!`
`12:27.07`	`streuner`	`deepan: the point is, does the app itself support SSL or not`
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`12:27.11`	`liable`	`dpkg: shuddup`
`12:27.11`	`dpkg`	`Fine, I'll be quiet.`
`12:27.16`	`Starf^Work`	`i should whoop your ass!`
`12:27.17`	`selim`	`can someone tell me why I always get this message when I try to start vhcs: Call to undefined function: mcrypt_module_open() in /var/www/vhcs2/gui/include/vhcs-config.php`
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`12:27.27`	`selim`	`did I miss some crypto lib?`
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`12:27.52`	`deepan`	`streuner: does the same go with TLS`
`12:27.54`	`xpato`	`its possible to have a class b reverse dns ?`
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`12:28.05`	`Caelum`	`selim: yes`
`12:28.19`	`Caelum`	`xpato: afaik, yes`
`12:28.26`	`selim`	`@caelum which one and how can I install it?`
`12:28.33`	`streuner`	`deepan: why not just use scp?`
`12:28.51`	`selim`	`caelum: means how is the description to install the lib`
`12:28.52`	`en1gma`	`can someone help please`
`12:29.03`	`deepan`	`streuner: scp does not work.. i tried scp lftp ftp.. and finally i am with ncftp now..`
`12:29.04`	`en1gma`	`with that pdf Q`
`12:29.16`	`Juul`	`en1gma, try #linuxhelp maybe?`
`12:29.19`	`jhaig`	I get the following error when running apt-get upgrade: "dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 327200: missing package name". How can I fix this?
`12:29.23`	`deepan`	`or i dont know how to make them work.. streuner`
`12:29.24`	`Caelum`	`selim: I don't know...look through php docs for the mcrypt module`
`12:29.44`	`chealer`	`en1gma: not here`
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`12:29.57`	`Caelum`	`selim: apt-get install php4-mcrypt maybe`
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`12:30.02`	`en1gma`	`man this is important to me and i know you all are like genuises`
`12:30.02`	`Caelum`	`selim: apt-cache search mcrypt`
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`12:30.11`	`chealer`	`jhaig: what if you try apt-get update first?`
`12:30.21`	`Caelum`	`en1gma: what question`
`12:30.28`	`cahoot`	`jhaig: try /msg dpkg available`
`12:30.34`	`chealer`	`Caelum: ignore him, he asked an offtopic question`
`12:30.36`	`en1gma`	`<en1gma> i have a Q that is not debian related (sorry but it important) im doing a bankruptcy and i have dloaded the forms (they are pdf) can someone tell me how to use acrobat to add text where ever i want. i have been messing with it for like 2 hours cant figure this out`
`12:30.49`	`chealer`	`yet he repeats it`
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`12:30.59`	`jhaig`	`cahoot: I did not an apt-get update first.`
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`12:31.07`	`en1gma`	`]i thought that was correct thing to do`
`12:31.17`	`Caelum`	`en1gma: you can't edit pdf files using acrobat, period. Only forms with actual defined fields`
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`12:31.29`	`streuner`	`deepan: in order to access it on the remote site you just need sshd`
`12:31.34`	`Caelum`	`en1gma: you can copy and paste text though with the text tool`
`12:31.43`	`selim`	`caelum: thanks I've already done that and it's working now, mcrypt was the last point which has done it`
`12:31.54`	`en1gma`	`do i have to take that orig pdf and make it defined with acrobat desinger first?`
`12:31.55`	`streuner`	`deepan: apt-get install ssh`
`12:31.59`	`liable`	`seamonkeys!`
`12:32.04`	`azeem`	`Caelum: he said he has acrobat pro, not acrobat reader`
`12:32.13`	`azeem`	`or is that the same?`
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`12:32.25`	`liable`	`which works on which os?`
`12:32.26`	`Caelum`	`en1gma: umm... I don't know anything about that`
`12:32.50`	`streuner`	`deepan: and read 'man scp'`
`12:32.54`	`en1gma`	`yep i got pro all i want to do is make it like a typewriter works (like if i printed out the dloaded pdf forms and printed em) then stuck it in a typewriter to fill in areas i wanted`
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`12:33.17`	`High_Priest`	`hi everybody, anyone has 2.6.8 kernel with kernel sources?`
`12:33.20`	`liable`	`en1gma: please go to a relevant channel.`
`12:33.34`	`en1gma`	`i tried looking for one`
`12:33.43`	`en1gma`	`not to many channels about acrobat`
`12:33.44`	`en1gma`	`lol`
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`12:34.13`	`liable`	`en1gma: fine, but #debian isnt it either. sorry, lots would like to help, but..`
`12:34.22`	`en1gma`	`yea i hear ya`
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`12:34.33`	`en1gma`	`sorry bout this but it was like last resort`
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`12:35.43`	`beardy`	`en1gma: You can open pdf in The Gimp, and insert text where you want.`
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`12:36.05`	`High_Priest`	`anyone here using 2.6.8 kernel and has kernel sources? i need a small favor if there is one...`
`12:36.15`	`en1gma`	`beardy thanks`
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`12:36.18`	`jhaig`	`cahoot: Thanks. /msg dpkg available gave me the answer.`
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`12:36.40`	`chealer`	`High_Priest: yes`
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`12:37.17`	`High_Priest`	`chealer, do you maybe have some time and will to do me a favor? i need modules for some wireless card`
`12:37.47`	`High_Priest`	`i'm using debian sarge installed on small flash drive, 64 megs, and i don't have a regular debian distro installed to compile the modules`
`12:37.55`	`deepan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:38.03`	`High_Priest`	`so i need someone to compile it for me...`
`12:38.03`	`chealer`	`High_Priest: I don't know. ask your real question`
`12:38.25`	`High_Priest`	`High_Priest, can you compile the madwifi drivers and send them to me?`
`12:38.29`	`__che__`	`I have lost my /boot partition, and my / is ok. How can I repair (create new) my /boot ? What is the easiest way? I have grub, it looks like that I need kernel image and few other things, but where I can find them on CD's ?`
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`12:38.42`	`liable`	`High_Priest: try #madwifi`
`12:38.54`	`beardy`	`en1gma: Also have a look at the program flpsed.`
`12:38.56`	`chealer`	`High_Priest: sorry`
`12:39.01`	`beardy`	`!info flpsed sarge`
`12:39.04`	`dpkg`	`flpsed: (a WYSIWYG pseudo PostScript editor), section graphics, is extra. Version: 0.3.3-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 116 kB`
`12:39.18`	`xpato`	`Caelum, i can not make it work`
`12:39.19`	`High_Priest`	`chealer, i need them for debian, 2.6.8 kernel...that's why i'm here`
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`12:39.52`	`xpato`	`in the zone i have "4.1 IN PTR host.domain.com"`
`12:39.58`	`xpato`	`the net its 172.16`
`12:39.58`	`High_Priest`	`anyone with debian and that kernel can do it, and it takes no longer than 5 mins`
`12:40.04`	`liable`	`High_Priest: you can just install headers and compile them..`
`12:40.28`	`High_Priest`	`don't have much space left`
`12:40.45`	`High_Priest`	`what size are headers?`
`12:41.05`	`chealer`	`High_Priest: maybe someone else will be willing to do that`
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`12:41.18`	`liable`	`!info kernel-headers-2.6-386`
`12:41.21`	`dpkg`	`kernel-headers-2.6-386: (Linux kernel headers 2.6 on 386), section devel, is optional. Version: 101 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB`
`12:41.29`	`liable`	`!info kernel-headers-2.6-386 sarge`
`12:41.32`	`dpkg`	`kernel-headers-2.6-386: (Linux kernel headers 2.6 on 386), section devel, is optional. Version: 101 (sarge), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB`
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`12:41.52`	`liable`	`High_Priest: 32KB`
`12:42.01`	`chealer`	`hehe`
`12:42.06`	`High_Priest`	`that can do`
`12:42.13`	`High_Priest`	`if it's gonna install`
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`12:42.28`	`chealer`	`!info kernel-headers-2.6.8-2`
`12:42.31`	`dpkg`	`kernel-headers-2.6.8-2: (Header files related to Linux kernel version 2.6.8), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-16 (sid), Packaged size: 2711 kB, Installed size: 23348 kB`
`12:42.46`	`liable`	`oooh`
`12:43.00`	`streuner`	`deepan: you just want ssh to the remote box or get some files?`
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`12:43.20`	`High_Priest`	`lol`
`12:43.25`	`chealer`	`it doesn't look like there's a package without the .8 depending on that one`
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`12:43.47`	`High_Priest`	`32KB i can afford, 23 megs, no way`
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`12:44.52`	`sleon\|tuX`	`how can i read label of reiserfs partition?\`
`12:45.02`	`High_Priest`	`any1? pls, that's no more than 5 mins of work`
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`12:45.08`	`vec`	`hi`
`12:45.12`	`streuner`	`deepan: ok, i saw it in /lastlog`
`12:45.28`	`vec`	`hii`
`12:45.31`	`streuner`	`deepan: that isn't your server, isn't it?`
`12:45.36`	`sleon\|tuX`	`hi vec`
`12:45.58`	`vec`	`thanks SerajewelKS`
`12:46.35`	`vec`	`I'm Muharrem`
`12:46.37`	`vec`	`u?`
`12:46.50`	`vec`	`my name Is Muharrem`
`12:47.04`	`vec`	`u?`
`12:47.09`	`chealer`	`vec: this is a support channel, not a discussion channel. you can have whatever name`
`12:47.10`	`nosklo`	`High_Priest: i would, but i am using 2.6.12 here`
`12:47.33`	`High_Priest`	`i'd do it myself, but just don't have where to do it..`
`12:47.48`	`vec`	`chealer : ? thankx`
`12:48.02`	`vec`	`:pP`
`12:48.11`	`High_Priest`	`thx nosklo , no matter you can't, i apreciate it`
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`12:48.17`	`nosklo`	`High_Priest: make a small bootstrap on your main computer`
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`12:48.44`	`nosklo`	`High_Priest: and chroot to it, compile, and you're done`
`12:48.48`	`vec`	`: nosklo MUCUKSS`
`12:49.01`	`beardy`	`vec: Do you have a question?`
`12:49.17`	`nosklo`	`vec: wtf?`
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`12:49.24`	`vec`	`Many Greetings from Turkey �n IstanbuL`
`12:49.38`	`Josefa2`	`Hello!.. My X window doesn't start automaticly when i boot the computer (when i do startx it works).. it says "kde is not the default window manager. xdm is not the default window manager"`
`12:49.48`	`vec`	`fRom In IstanbuL`
`12:49.55`	`nosklo`	`Josefa2: aptitude install gdm`
`12:49.59`	`Ronin`	`vec: do you run debian linux?`
`12:50.01`	`streuner`	`deepan: i think FTP is crap, just remove it`
`12:50.08`	`vec`	`: barryh whr u from?`
`12:50.08`	`SimonRaven`	`they're not window managers`
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`12:50.19`	`nosklo`	`Josefa2: are you using kde?`
`12:50.26`	`beardy`	`Josefa2: what nosklo said, or dpkg-reconfigure xdm, or kdm, if you want to use one of them.`
`12:50.33`	`vec`	`: barryh whr u from?`
`12:50.45`	`fireba11`	`!u`
`12:50.45`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`12:50.46`	`beardy`	`vec: This is not a chat channel.`
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`12:51.01`	`Josefa2`	`nosklo: no. I want to use the kde one... i don't know in what file it calls which window manager login screen to run..`
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`12:51.11`	`vec`	`: barryh :((`
`12:51.20`	`Josefa2`	`nosklo: oh, yes, kde.`
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`12:51.23`	`beardy`	`vec: If you have a question, or are here to answer questions, please do so, otherwise try another channel, like #chat, or something.`
`12:51.34`	`fireba11`	`Josefa2 .xsession i think`
`12:51.34`	`vec`	`: barryh a/s/L`
`12:51.47`	`antgel`	`vec: are you a bot?`
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`12:52.01`	`Ronin`	`vec: before they kick you out i suggest going to a different network and channel`
`12:52.05`	`vec`	`: beardy : A/S(l?`
`12:52.09`	`Gnea`	`vec: wrong place.`
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`12:52.20`	`antgel`	`!ops vec is trolling`
`12:52.21`	`Gnea`	`vec: go back to aol`
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`12:52.22`	`chealer`	`!ops vec bot`
`12:52.22`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: vec is trolling`
`12:52.22`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: vec bot`
`12:52.26`	`Ronin`	`heh`
`12:52.26`	`fireba11`	`antgel: too much typos for a bot ..`
`12:52.28`	`vec`	`bott ok.`
`12:52.30`	`chealer`	`sorry`
`12:52.30`	`vec`	`:))`
`12:52.40`	`SimonRaven`	`vec: this isn't for chatting, it's a tech support channel`
`12:52.42`	`Gnea`	`!troll vec`
`12:52.46`	`vec`	`sory`
`12:52.59`	`vec`	`I' cant englsh`
`12:53.03`	`barawiec`	`hello`
`12:53.03`	`vec`	`where where`
`12:53.03`	`Gnea`	`you're not sorry.`
`12:53.10`	`Josefa2`	`oh.. ok ! thanks :)... and does anyobody know how can i set that in the boot time it will automaticlly connect to the internet ? (I have a script that connects in /etc/ppp)`
`12:53.17`	`vec`	`: barawiec hello`
`12:53.19`	`Gnea`	`vec: /server irc.efnet.net`
`12:53.25`	`Gnea`	`vec: type that.`
`12:53.28`	`RichiH`	`vec: what do you want here? :)`
`12:53.39`	`vec`	`: Gnea what?`
`12:53.44`	`fireba11`	`Josefa2 put it in /etc/network/ifup`
`12:53.46`	`SimonRaven`	`RichiH: a/s/l is what s/he wants`
`12:53.50`	`Ronin`	`vec: type /server irc.efnet.net`
`12:53.57`	`Gnea`	`vec: type this instead of typing anything else: /server irc.efnet.net`
`12:54.02`	`vec`	`GreetIngs from �n IstanbuL`
`12:54.17`	`Josefa2`	`fireba11: just put there the script?..`
`12:54.17`	`Ronin`	`vec: type /quit`
`12:54.27`	`vec`	`oKe ronin`
`12:54.29`	`barawiec`	`i've just vent from at short moment of disilusion using ubuntu now i'm back with debian`
`12:54.34`	`nosklo`	`vec: type "kick me please"`
`12:54.38`	`RichiH`	`SimonRaven: that, i saw :)`
`12:54.53`	`beardy`	`heh..`
`12:54.53`	`chealer`	`wow`
`12:54.55`	`RichiH`	`seems to have solved itself`
`12:55.00`	`Gnea`	`finally :)`
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`12:55.06`	`nosklo`	`ugh`
`12:55.09`	`chealer`	`!beer Ronin`
`12:55.11`	`streuner`	`vec: are you a bot?`
`12:55.12`	`Gnea`	`vec: you didn't do it right`
`12:55.13`	`chealer`	`oops`
`12:55.23`	`Gnea`	`OOPS`
`12:55.23`	`Ronin`	`too late i have the beer`
`12:55.25`	`Gnea`	`sorry`
`12:55.29`	`Pryon`	`weee`
`12:55.29`	`SimonRaven`	`..`
`12:55.31`	`liable`	`High_Priest: dunno why i did it, but here, liable.mine.nu/net`
`12:55.34`	`vec`	`: Gnea /part`
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`12:55.37`	`beardy`	`!ops silence, and or kick and ban vec [n=sdswfd@85.101.84.225]`
`12:55.37`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: silence, and or kick and ban vec [n=sdswfd@85.101.84.225]`
`12:55.50`	`Josefa2`	`ok! all .. thanks :) .. i'll try it out ! :)`
`12:55.52`	`Gnea`	`vec: yes, that is what you need to do.`
`12:55.56`	`vec`	`: Gnea /part`
`12:56.03`	`chealer`	`barawiec: ah, good old command line :D`
`12:56.07`	`High_Priest`	`liable, you are the best, really`
`12:56.11`	`vec`	`fuck you`
`12:56.20`	`Ronin`	`vec: if /quit and /part are in a boat and /part jumps out who is left in the boat`
`12:56.30`	`vec`	`Gnea : fuck you`
`12:56.31`	`antgel`	`vec: your english isn't so bad`
`12:56.38`	`High_Priest`	`[13:07:26] vec!@ added to ignore list.`
`12:56.40`	`Gnea`	`!ops ved is an abusive and disrespectul and offtopic troll`
`12:56.41`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ved is an abusive and disrespectul and offtopic troll`
`12:56.44`	`Ronin`	`ever notice how they all know the swear words`
`12:56.45`	`Gnea`	`!ops vec is an abusive and disrespectul and offtopic troll`
`12:56.45`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: vec is an abusive and disrespectul and offtopic troll`
`12:56.49`	`beardy`	`at least he doesn't say u, right now anyway`
`12:56.51`	`streuner`	`no`
`12:56.52`	`vec`	`Gnea : fuck you mother ; father`
`12:56.59`	`chealer`	`Gnea: please, they've already been called`
`12:57.03`	`vec`	`!ops`
`12:57.03`	`dpkg`	`Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem`
`12:57.08`	`SimonRaven`	`aah, peace`
`12:57.14`	`vec`	`Gnea : fuck you mother ; father`
`12:57.17`	`Gnea`	`chealer: i know how it works.`
`12:57.28`	`SimonRaven`	`um, you folks are m,aking a bigger deal of it than you need to`
`12:57.28`	`vec`	`Gnea : bastr c�ld�r�ns`
`12:57.37`	`vec`	`Gnea : ,bastr c�ld�r�ns`
`12:57.42`	`SimonRaven`	`and the ops already know`
`12:57.43`	`vec`	`Gnea : bastr c�ld�r�ns`
`12:57.49`	`High_Priest`	`liable, thx again friend`
`12:57.56`	`liable`	`High_Priest: np`
`12:57.59`	`Gnea`	`SimonRaven: good point.`
`12:58.01`	`vec`	`Gnea : bastr c�ld�r�ns`
`12:58.04`	`vec`	`Gnea : bastr c�ld�r�ns`
`12:58.06`	`*** kick/#debian [vec!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood)`
`12:58.11`	`Gnea`	`rofl`
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`12:58.15`	`SimonRaven`	`hehe`
`12:58.15`	`liable`	`RichiH: please ban the fucktard`
`12:58.17`	`Pryon`	`damn. flooding with Perl, that's evil.`
`12:58.20`	`vec`	`uheuehe`
`12:58.22`	`antgel`	`brilliant`
`12:58.24`	`vec`	`sieee`
`12:58.26`	`vec`	`sieeeeeeeeee`
`12:58.29`	`vec`	`siiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeee`
`12:58.31`	`vec`	`fuck`
`12:58.34`	`vec`	`you`
`12:58.40`	`vec`	`focuk`
`12:58.44`	`vec`	`mother`
`12:58.46`	`vec`	`father`
`12:58.50`	`fireba11`	`!ops can someone please shut up cev ?`
`12:58.51`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: can someone please shut up cev`
`12:58.54`	`dimir`	`I hate when ops are not around`
`12:58.59`	`Ronin`	`make up your mind vec which do you want to fuck?`
`12:58.59`	`fireba11`	`er ..`
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`12:59.07`	`LLuVia`	`hi`
`12:59.11`	`SimonRaven`	`there was one...`
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`12:59.14`	`Ronin`	`hot damn its coffee time`
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`12:59.19`	`chealer`	`lilo: please hang vec if you're available`
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`12:59.21`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !n=sdswfd@85.101.84.*] by RichiH`
`12:59.22`	`*** kick/#debian [vec!i=richih@freenode/staff/richih] by RichiH (RichiH)`
`12:59.26`	`Pixels-`	`vec needs a hobbu`
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`12:59.28`	`liable`	`wee`
`12:59.31`	`SimonRaven`	`thank you`
`12:59.31`	`dimir`	`\o/`
`12:59.33`	`Pixels-`	`lol`
`12:59.34`	`liable`	`RichiH: legend`
`12:59.41`	`Pixels-`	`hobby*`
`12:59.42`	`beardy`	`!beer2 RichiH`
`12:59.42`	`chealer`	`ah, wow`
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`12:59.50`	`chealer`	`lilo: it's OK...`
`12:59.57`	`SimonRaven`	`and a k-line on a real bot, too. nice`
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`13:00.36`	`RichiH`	`got him in /query, but it seems he is not willing to become normal`
`13:00.49`	`liable`	`heh surprising :)`
`13:01.07`	`chealer`	`yeah, he looked quite sensed`
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`13:01.37`	`Gnea`	`RichiH: i could've told you that from the get-go`
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`13:01.45`	`Gnea`	`oh wait, i think i did`
`13:01.56`	`TheBlueWizard`	`what package, if any, can extract files from .hqx/.sit file? I searched and I don't seem to find such utility`
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`13:02.05`	`RichiH`	`Gnea: i alway try (tm)`
`13:02.10`	`High_Priest`	`liable, you can remove that files now, i downloaded them... thx again. cheers`
`13:02.17`	`liable`	`k`
`13:02.24`	`beardy`	`TheBlueWizard: run 'file filename'`
`13:02.25`	`High_Priest`	`bye ppl`
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`13:02.29`	`Gnea`	`RichiH: that's cool, but it helps to know when and when not to - learn where there line is drawn, IOW`
`13:02.34`	`Pryon`	`TheBlueWizard, macutils?`
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`13:02.58`	`SimonRaven`	`TheBlueWizard: there isn't. you have to go dowload the eveeil stuffit expander. hqx files the netatalk utils can take care of that.`
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`13:03.24`	`SimonRaven`	`TheBlueWizard: be sure to have /etc/default/netatalk start in the background`
`13:03.26`	`RichiH`	`Gnea: do you think i am stupid?`
`13:03.34`	`Gnea`	`RichiH: no.`
`13:03.38`	`RichiH`	`Gnea: i did not expect anything good to come from this, either`
`13:03.42`	`SimonRaven`	`(or set them all to no)`
`13:03.43`	`TheBlueWizard`	`SimonRaven: hmm....that sux...ok`
`13:03.44`	`dorto`	`suppose i want to export a shell variable irrespective of who logs in the system. where should i put 'export ....' line?`
`13:03.56`	`RichiH`	`Gnea: but i still made an effort. and next time someone does that, i will do it again`
`13:04.02`	`dorto`	`i can't keep it in .bashrc of a user`
`13:04.03`	`Gnea`	`RichiH: that's fine.`
`13:04.15`	`RichiH`	`Gnea: 'always' implies quite often ;)`
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`13:04.32`	`jmg_`	`hi, i'm trying to encode videos using mencoder, but i'm having trouble finding a format that windows will read ... the aim is to product uncompressed avi's ... can anyone help`
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`13:04.59`	`chealer`	`jmg_: if yes, they'll be in #mplayer`
`13:05.00`	`Pryon`	`dorto: /etc/bash.bashrc`
`13:05.00`	`beardy`	`jmg_: #mplayer or #mencoder, also the documentation.`
`13:05.21`	`dorto`	`thx Pryon`
`13:05.21`	`jmg_`	`cheers`
`13:05.26`	`Pryon`	`dorto: according to that file, you need to source it in /etc/profile for login shells`
`13:05.46`	`dorto`	`what does that mean? o.0`
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`13:06.18`	`joshuafr`	`hi all`
`13:06.50`	`dorto`	`i want to export CVSROOT=blah/blah so that its available irrespective of who ever logs into the system(to everyone)`
`13:06.52`	`Pryon`	`dorto: to "source" a file, you can either do 'source filename' or '. filename'`
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`13:08.03`	`dorto`	`so 'export' stmt should go in /etc/bash.bashrc and 'source /etc/bash.bashrc' should go in /etc/profile?`
`13:08.18`	`beardy`	`dorto: Precisely.`
`13:08.20`	`joshuafr`	`How can I remove the devfs dependance for partimage 0.6.4-14 under sid?`
`13:08.28`	`dorto`	`thx :)`
`13:08.29`	`nvz`	`this working through the night shit is rough on the mind and body. feels like working non-stop when you goto work on monday, come home tuesday and then go back to work again on tuesday.`
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`13:10.19`	`jak`	`hi. how can one set his syslog to see also messages which were sent on "debug"-level (only for mail.* if this is possible)?`
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`13:11.27`	`beardy`	`jak: Configure /etc/syslog.conf, find out how by reading 'man syslog.conf'. Make a backup copy of /etc/syslog.conf before starting to editing it.`
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`13:14.45`	`beardy`	`jak: If you look in /etc/syslog.conf, you see this line "mail.err /var/log/mail.err", perhaps you only have to add a "mail.debug /var/log/mail.debug" line below it?`
`13:14.48`	`liable`	`damn power..`
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`13:15.37`	`nvz`	`I can't do it captain, I don't have the power.`
`13:15.46`	`beardy`	`jak: And restart syslog after that, of course. (/etc/init.d/syslog restart)`
`13:15.48`	`liable`	`haha`
`13:16.39`	`beardy`	`liable: Bad power lines?`
`13:16.46`	`chealer`	`joshuafr: you'd have to be a developer...and upload a new version anyway`
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`13:17.15`	`chealer`	`joshuafr: however there's no such dependency`
`13:17.31`	`jak`	`beardy: ok, done that, the file i want (mail.debug goes to /var/log/maillog) is created, but still there is no useful information... (using courier imap)... may there be another reason, syslogd could fail? THX!`
`13:17.43`	`chealer`	`alioth is down according to #alioth`
`13:17.44`	`liable`	`beardy: hrm, we are at the end of a really long server, and it doesnt take much to upset it it seems.`
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`13:17.58`	`liable`	`beardy: power line i mean..`
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`13:18.15`	`chealer`	`there's no [clean] way to comment rollbacks in moin`
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`13:19.08`	`beardy`	`jak: I'm not sure that it will give any output, it was just a suggestion/guess. Perhaps it's documented in your mailservers docs, how to get debug output? Perhaps it needs to be configured to even try to output debug messages?`
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`13:19.22`	`joshuafr`	`chealer: When I call partimage, it cries about the kernel use devfs but it's not mounted. However, I use the debian kernel 2.4.27 without using devfs`
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`13:19.56`	`liable`	`nvz: time to get a hobby! :P`
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`13:20.03`	`nvz`	`I hate flies. they are incredibly annoying. I cant even sleep with a fly in the room`
`13:20.21`	`ncp`	`nvz: true :)`
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`13:20.54`	`chealer`	`joshuafr: hum, what's not mounted? did you try to google it?`
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`13:21.05`	`beardy`	`nvz: As long as they don't sit them selves down at my mouse-hand as soon as I waved them away, they don't bother me that much. But they often seem to like to do that..`
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`13:21.29`	`liable`	`its the ears that shit me..`
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`13:21.45`	`liable`	`they always go for the ears...`
`13:21.47`	`nvz`	`its time to go to bed. just got off work and got to go back later. hopefully some sleep will make the headache and the illustion that work never ends go away`
`13:22.07`	`chealer`	`!tell nvz about coffee`
`13:22.09`	`joshuafr`	`chealer: devfs is not mounted, and yes I google it, but no responses`
`13:22.24`	`nvz`	`I don't like coffee its nasty`
`13:22.34`	`nvz`	`I can't even talk to people who drink coffee`
`13:22.35`	`Ronin`	`heathen nvz :)`
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`13:22.42`	`chealer`	`haha I think I never red that factoid`
`13:22.51`	`beardy`	`nvz: what do you like, to drink?`
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`13:22.59`	`fireba11`	`nvz: they got the annoying tendency to either sit on you, your keyboard or your monitor or fly around in circles somewhere between those things`
`13:23.10`	`chealer`	`the drug of choice of a GNU generation ^_^`
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`13:23.47`	`Ronin`	`nvz: have to have coffee, not always possible to have a beer`
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`13:24.01`	`nvz`	`Water, Milk, Orange Juice, Ginger Ale, Black Cherry & Lime Power Ade, Fire by Snapple Elements ...`
`13:24.11`	`liable`	`amphetamines!`
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`13:25.13`	`nvz`	`I don't even like tea much anymore. I used to at least drink tea`
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`13:25.32`	`High_Priest`	`liable, hey m8, you are using 2.6.8 kernel right?`
`13:25.35`	`nvz`	`apt, person`
`13:25.38`	`apt`	`extra, extra, read all about it, person is like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle`
`13:25.38`	`wishkah`	`is there a document describing the debian directory structure?`
`13:25.44`	`liable`	`High_Priest: 2.6.8-386`
`13:25.48`	`ncp`	`wishkah: search google`
`13:25.52`	`tosh\|`	`vsftpd question: anyone know how to prevent users from doing a PWD and seeing the real path of the user instead of "/". the users should only see "/" when doing pwd after logging in`
`13:25.56`	`wishkah`	`you know, where to install binaries, where to put source`
`13:26.01`	`wishkah`	`ncp: I did`
`13:26.03`	`azeem`	`wishkah: it's mostly the File Hierachy Standard (FHS)`
`13:26.12`	`High_Priest`	`liable, may i speak with you on private?`
`13:26.31`	`nvz`	`Ronin: "Negative, I am a meat popcicle" -- Corbin Dallas (Bruce Willis) _5th_ _Element_`
`13:26.34`	`wishkah`	`azeem: okay, thx`
`13:26.43`	`liable`	`High_Priest: whats the problem?`
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`13:26.50`	`High_Priest`	`can't load the modules`
`13:26.56`	`High_Priest`	`and that's because i'm stupid`
`13:27.01`	`liable`	`High_Priest: did you run depmod?`
`13:27.08`	`High_Priest`	`Linux voyage 2.6.8-486-voyage`
`13:27.30`	`High_Priest`	`WARNING: Error inserting wlan (/lib/modules/2.6.8-486-voyage/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/net80211/wlan.ko): Invalid moduleformat`
`13:27.39`	`liable`	`High_Priest: you got a custom kernel?`
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`13:27.53`	`High_Priest`	`nope, default kernel`
`13:27.59`	`drac`	`bshit`
`13:28.19`	`drac`	`looks like a custom kernel to me`
`13:28.29`	`liable`	`High_Priest: debian doesnt have a 486 kernel..`
`13:28.32`	`High_Priest`	`default kernel with voyage sarge`
`13:28.44`	`sep`	`what is voyage ???`
`13:28.44`	`High_Priest`	`dunno if that's custom kernel`
`13:28.46`	`sep`	`!voyage`
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`13:28.56`	`High_Priest`	`voyage is small distro, debian based`
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`13:29.05`	`High_Priest`	`fits on a 64 mb flash disk`
`13:29.08`	`Ronin`	`ahh so not debian :)`
`13:29.18`	`sep`	`High_Priest, then chances are that anything we tell you will be blatantly wrong or misleading, as the voyage crew`
`13:29.25`	`sep`	`ask`
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`13:29.50`	`High_Priest`	`yeah, i could do that`
`13:30.00`	`High_Priest`	`or i could beg liable to build the modules one more time :)`
`13:30.03`	`liable`	`High_Priest: sorry, cant help you any more, you may be able to force the load, but you need to get help from your distro`
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`13:30.45`	`liable`	`High_Priest: no, i would need your config, then i would need to make headers against it, and i aint willing to do that..`
`13:31.04`	`High_Priest`	`ok`
`13:31.10`	`High_Priest`	`i'll ask the voyage crew`
`13:31.11`	`High_Priest`	`thx`
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`13:31.16`	`beardy`	`!nvzdrink nvz`
`13:31.28`	`beardy`	`damn..`
`13:31.31`	`beardy`	`!nvzdrink nvz`
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`13:32.01`	`nvz`	`yeah thats about the only ale you will see me drinking`
`13:32.10`	`nvz`	`I don't even like root beer`
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`13:32.28`	`abrotman`	`ah .. but that allegheny river water!`
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`13:32.55`	`nvz`	`as if the Allegheny was the only river here`
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`13:33.32`	`nvz`	`in my area north of pittsburgh there is only the Ohio river. but in town at the point the Allegheny, Ohio, and Monongalia rivers meet`
`13:33.34`	`tax0n`	`does anyone know of a deb package that can play streaming win media feeds?`
`13:33.35`	`abrotman`	`iirc .. it has the best water :)`
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`13:33.42`	`abrotman`	`and that's sad ...`
`13:34.04`	`beardy`	`it should work now..`
`13:34.13`	`beardy`	`!nvzdrink abrotman`
`13:34.15`	`nvz`	`I havent been to the point in a long long time.`
`13:34.15`	`liable`	`tax0n: mplayer`
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`13:34.53`	`tax0n`	`liable: I'll give that a try, thanks.`
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`13:35.55`	`abrotman`	`!phillysmite beardy`
`13:35.58`	`abrotman`	`ack!`
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`13:36.33`	`fireba11`	`$1 ??`
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`13:36.47`	`abrotman`	`!phillysmite beardy`
`13:36.49`	`baikonur`	`hi`
`13:36.50`	`abrotman`	`yay`
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`13:37.11`	`baikonur`	`apt-get upgrade says "ldconfig: /usr/local/lib/libXft.so.2 is not a symbolic link" is that important or can I ignore it?`
`13:37.48`	`beardy`	`abrotman: ouch..`
`13:37.53`	`abrotman`	`!phillysmite beardy`
`13:38.00`	`fireba11`	`baikonur: you can ignore everything .. question is it it's wise :-)`
`13:38.18`	`fireba11`	`s/it/if`
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`13:38.34`	`azeem`	`baikonur: it's in /usr/local, so you put it there yourself`
`13:38.53`	`azeem`	`baikonur: ldconfig is called for every library package, so this is just a warning`
`13:38.56`	`beardy`	`(not that I exactly know what "obliterates" mean, but it probably isn't nice..)`
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`13:39.18`	`nvz`	`I recall reading a book or something once about foot massage or something. said that there are certain areas on your feet perhaps nerve endings or something that correspond to every other part of your body. supposedly you can make anything feel better if you massage the right area of the foot`
`13:39.25`	`baikonur`	`azeem: why do I get a warning if it is not a symbolic link?`
`13:39.29`	`abrotman`	`:dict obliterate`
`13:39.32`	`liable`	`!dict obliterate`
`13:39.33`	`abrotman`	`!dict obliterate`
`13:39.34`	`dpkg`	`Dictionary 'obliterate' (1 of 3): Obliterate \Oblit"erate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Obliterated; p. pr. & vb. n. Obliterating.] [L. obliteratus, p. p. of obliterare to obliterate; ob (see Ob-) + litera, littera, letter. See Letter.] 1. To erase or blot out; to efface; to render undecipherable, as a writing..`
`13:39.37`	`beardy`	`I tried that.`
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`13:39.48`	`abrotman`	`dictionary.com`
`13:39.55`	`azeem`	`baikonur: ldconfig seems to think it should be a symbolic link`
`13:40.02`	`liable`	`not very descriptive..`
`13:40.14`	`beardy`	`I tried "obliterates" though.`
`13:40.24`	`Caelum`	`anyone know why I'd get a segfault on iptables -A SYSTEST -p tcp --dport 1234 -m iplimit --iplimit-above 2`
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`13:40.48`	`abrotman`	`beardy: To do away with completely so as to leave no trace. See Synonyms at abolish.`
`13:40.51`	`abrotman`	`http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=obliterate`
`13:41.17`	`liable`	`on the segfault bit, why does info foo always segfault when i backspace to previous bits?`
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`13:41.36`	`jm_`	`heh quality`
`13:41.41`	`Caelum`	`liable: that's bad. Try pinfo`
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`13:41.56`	`jm_`	`liable: works fine here`
`13:41.58`	`beardy`	`abrotman: and if someone does that to someone with the Liberty Bell, what exactly happens?`
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`13:42.13`	`abrotman`	`beardy: do you have any idea how big the liberty bell is?`
`13:42.23`	`baikonur`	`How can I change an existing exim.conf configured with eximconfig as "Internet site using smarthost" manually to a "Satellite system"?`
`13:42.23`	`liable`	`jm_: less as the pager/`
`13:42.26`	`liable`	`?`
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`13:42.29`	`Caelum`	`also, there's nothing wrong at all with man pages, and they're easy to search, friggin' gnu hippies...`
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`13:42.49`	`Zugschlus`	`baikonur: you re-run eximconfig, or (better) change to exim4, which is debconf driven`
`13:42.53`	`abrotman`	`beardy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Bell`
`13:42.55`	`Caelum`	`baikonur: dpkg-reconfigure exim`
`13:43.05`	`Zugschlus`	`Caelum: exim (3) is not debconf -driven`
`13:43.11`	`fireba11`	`lol abrotman`
`13:43.13`	`abrotman`	`beardy: as the article states .. it weighs nearly a ton`
`13:43.15`	`beardy`	`abrotman: I can guess. But I still really don't understand "obliterate", but I guess it has to do with inserting it somewhere where it doesn't belong :)`
`13:43.22`	`Caelum`	`Zugschlus: forgot that, my bad`
`13:43.31`	`Caelum`	`fine philly engineering!`
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`13:43.38`	`liable`	`beardy: no, to blow to bits, pretty much.`
`13:43.44`	`abrotman`	`beardy: no ..`
`13:43.44`	`jm_`	`liable: no, are you using it as in info foo\|less or what?`
`13:44.01`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: but then it overwrites my whole exim.conf which I also manually configured for my smarthosts`
`13:44.02`	`beardy`	`oh? Ah, "into oblivion"?`
`13:44.04`	`abrotman`	`beardy: eliminate .. completely .. erase .. destroy .. get it ?`
`13:44.06`	`liable`	`jm_: no, just info foo, and less is what i get..`
`13:44.08`	`abrotman`	`beardy: roughly .. yes`
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`13:44.35`	`jm_`	`liable: odd, I get info ;)`
`13:45.06`	`jm_`	`liable: try 'which info' or use /usr/bin/info`
`13:45.08`	`beardy`	`Ok, so I'm pretty flat now then :)`
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`13:45.19`	`Zugschlus`	`baikonur: then you have to manually reconfigure. exim (3) is not really up-to-date to today's debian standards`
`13:45.25`	`abrotman`	`beardy: sure`
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`13:45.30`	`Zugschlus`	`baikonur: my recommendation is to update to exim4 asap`
`13:45.31`	`abrotman`	`!phillysmite beardy`
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`13:46.02`	`Caelum`	`baikonur: you can make a backup copy of yours, rerun eximconf and then compare the differences and merge back your changes`
`13:46.02`	`liable`	`jjazz: hrm, so it is, ps aux \|grep info shows it..`
`13:46.24`	`liable`	`jm_: so, then its info that segfaults..`
`13:46.31`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: okay, I just upgraded to exim4`
`13:46.46`	`liable`	`jm_: its less like! :)`
`13:46.57`	`jm_`	`liable: right, but still pretty weird (it's emacs-like)`
`13:47.25`	`liable`	`either way, it still segfaults.. :(`
`13:47.47`	`Caelum`	`liable: apt-get install pinfo`
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`13:48.07`	`Caelum`	`or use the emacs/xemacs info reader`
`13:48.16`	`liable`	`Caelum: k, will give it a go.`
`13:48.17`	`Caelum`	`if you're into that kinda stuff`
`13:48.36`	`liable`	`never used emacs, dont have any real desire too.`
`13:48.48`	`abrotman`	`!bloat`
`13:48.48`	`dpkg`	`"GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease>`
`13:49.05`	`baikonur`	`Caelum: yeah, that's what I will do if there is no alternative solution. I thought there will be a slight difference that I can comment out to let it work as a "satellite system" but the configuration is obviously far more complex`
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`13:50.21`	`Starf^Work`	`and now the xserver is broke`
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`13:50.29`	`Dazgar1`	`hi`
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`13:50.49`	`roberson`	`hi`
`13:50.56`	`Caelum`	`one guy I know defined linux as "a library emacs uses to communicate with PC hardware"`
`13:51.02`	`Dazgar1`	`how can i limit a UML (linux user mode) install not to use too much resources please ?`
`13:51.12`	`Dazgar1`	`hi roberson`
`13:51.30`	`liable`	`hrm, pinfo doesnt want to open <random doc>`
`13:51.35`	`dorto`	`Caelum: lol`
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`13:51.59`	`Caelum`	`Dazgar1: configure the amount of memory you want it to use, renice it if you have to`
`13:52.03`	`beardy`	`Dazgar1: shuffle the words :)`
`13:52.16`	`beardy`	`Dazgar1: (User Mode Linux)`
`13:52.23`	`roberson`	`is brazil`
`13:52.24`	`Dazgar1`	`beardy: :)`
`13:54.03`	`roberson`	`mora em natal / RN`
`13:54.12`	`beardy`	`!br`
`13:54.12`	`dpkg`	`Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
`13:54.21`	`roberson`	`ok`
`13:54.31`	`beardy`	`Or try in english.`
`13:54.34`	`roberson`	`join #debian-br`
`13:54.34`	`Dazgar1`	`Caelum: renice is good for cpu usage, what about memory ?`
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`13:55.34`	`Caelum`	`Dazgar1: check the config files for uml, all these things afaik let you configure the amount of memory you want the VM to use`
`13:55.50`	`Dazgar1`	`Caelum: thank man`
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`13:56.14`	`Dazgar1`	`Caelum: thank you`
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`13:57.04`	`Caelum`	`np`
`13:57.24`	`Caelum`	`Dazgar1: there's also xen, colinux and vmware, depending on your needs`
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`14:00.52`	`petemc`	`and qemu`
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`14:06.10`	`LuCkYaN`	`hi`
`14:06.31`	`LuCkYaN`	`what is difference between > linux-image and kernel-image ?`
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`14:06.42`	`Starf^Work`	`linux-image is the new name`
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`14:11.39`	`xoz`	`when did they change kernel-image to linux-image?`
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`14:11.54`	`chealer`	`xoz: when they packaged 2.6.12`
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`14:13.07`	`xoz`	`chealer: hmmm, can't see the reason why. maybe, once hurd-kernel is finished, we can have a choice of linux-image vs hurd-image... is that the logic?`
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`14:13.28`	`chealer`	`xoz: yes`
`14:13.37`	`nosklo`	`xoz: and projects like debian/kfreebsd, debian/netbsd and the like`
`14:13.40`	`SalsaDoom`	`lol, when hurds finished`
`14:13.49`	`chealer`	`debian/netbsd?`
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`14:14.07`	`nosklo`	`chealer: http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd/`
`14:14.40`	`chealer`	`ah`
`14:14.48`	`Caelum`	`debian has had a hurd distribution for a few years now`
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`14:15.20`	`naufragile`	`Hi.`
`14:16.06`	`Garp`	`Question: I can only communicate with my camera with PTP using gphoto. Is there a way to upload data in the camera with this protocol ? Thanks`
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`14:16.33`	`Starf^Work`	`how big is the full release of sarge now?`
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`14:16.45`	`Starf^Work`	`last full install i downloaded was like 8 discs`
`14:16.54`	`bbrazil`	`Starf^Work: 150 CDs or so`
`14:16.55`	`antgel`	`Starf^Work: about 15 cd's`
`14:17.18`	`chealer`	`!dstats sarge`
`14:17.25`	`Starf^Work`	`:(`
`14:17.25`	`dpkg`	`Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size.`
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`14:17.31`	`Starf^Work`	`i am slowly going off debian`
`14:17.42`	`RichiH`	`!dstats sid`
`14:17.47`	`Caelum`	`woah`
`14:17.48`	`Starf^Work`	`they really dont try to make anything simple and easy for you`
`14:17.56`	`dpkg`	`Debian Distro Stats on sid... 17234 packages, 1597 maintainers, 34157 MB installed size, 10971 MB compressed size.`
`14:18.00`	`antgel`	`sigh`
`14:18.00`	`chealer`	`Starf^Work: yeah, "they" don't`
`14:18.13`	`antgel`	`woah`
`14:18.15`	`Garp`	`Starf^Work : what is not simple? Should there be more or less CDs ?`
`14:18.24`	`RichiH`	`debian is easy`
`14:18.27`	`Starf^Work`	`i dont know`
`14:18.30`	`Azar`	`Starf^Work, if you think Debian is hard for you then go off of it`
`14:18.35`	`Starf^Work`	`RichiH, it has its moments`
`14:18.37`	`RichiH`	`you need to invest time to _learn_ though`
`14:18.42`	`Caelum`	`you don't need every package in existance`
`14:19.00`	`Caelum`	`make a list of the ones you want, and make your own cd`
`14:19.12`	`RichiH`	`matter of fact, it is impossible to install every package in sarge`
`14:19.20`	`Starf^Work`	`yeah coz i know all the little prereqs that I need for the main packages`
`14:19.38`	`Caelum`	`Starf^Work: why not just use apt?`
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`14:19.51`	`chealer`	`!easy`
`14:19.51`	`dpkg`	`hmm... easy is http://www.apachetoolbox.com`
`14:19.58`	`nosklo`	`Starf^Work: apt solves prereqs for you.`
`14:20.10`	`antgel`	`Starf^Work: would you like to enumerate your issues in excruciating detail so we can tell you how wrong you are? :P`
`14:20.20`	`Caelum`	`Starf^Work: if you don't have internet connectivity somewhere for apt-get, you can just make a local mirror`
`14:20.20`	`Starf^Work`	`yeah of course it does but caelum was on about making a cd with the packages i need`
`14:20.34`	`Garp`	`Starf^Work: why a CD ?`
`14:20.47`	`abrotman`	`eeyore-: ping!`
`14:20.49`	`chealer`	`dpkg: no, easy is <reply> it's easy...but you need to invest time to learn. like general relativity`
`14:20.50`	`dpkg`	`okay, chealer`
`14:20.51`	`Garp`	`you go to place where there is no network ?`
`14:21.05`	`Starf^Work`	`dont worry about it`
`14:21.39`	`Starf^Work`	`i dont want to have to download 600mb of stuff`
`14:21.45`	`Starf^Work`	`everytime i install it`
`14:21.48`	`azeem`	`Starf^Work: well, your claims are pretty broad. So you should either elaborate why so many CDs are bad or retract that`
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`14:21.59`	`azeem`	`Starf^Work: nobody tell you that`
`14:22.06`	`Shadowcat`	`which version of NFS does Sarge support?`
`14:22.09`	`Shadowcat`	`v3 or v4?`
`14:22.10`	`nosklo`	`Starf^Work: download once, use many`
`14:22.18`	`azeem`	`Starf^Work: actually, Debian recommends you download a 30 or 128 MB netinst ISO`
`14:22.20`	`dorto`	`to remove a module from my local repository, can i just delete it from the repository directory using the file manager?`
`14:22.25`	`Azar`	`honestly I find it easier to install with a CD then use apt to get the rest of the packages, which, are not 600MB`
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`14:22.33`	`Starf^Work`	`i got the 180mb netinst`
`14:22.36`	`nosklo`	`dorto: if you mean "package" then yes`
`14:22.41`	`KimHansen`	`Is it in the BTS possible to subscribe an email-address to a bugreport and get updates when something happens to the bug?`
`14:22.43`	`dorto`	`yes; thx`
`14:22.49`	`azeem`	`KimHansen: yes`
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`14:23.14`	`azeem`	`KimHansen: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#subscribe`
`14:23.22`	`KimHansen`	`azeem: thanks`
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`14:23.40`	`nosklo`	`Starf^Work: after download, get your /var/cache/apt/archives packages and record'em on a cd for future installs`
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`14:23.59`	`Azar`	`Starf^Work, if you think with a CD is more convenient to install, get the CDs then, but you will still have to learn how to administer Debian, which, requires reading if you think you can read`
`14:24.00`	`Starf^Work`	`nosklo ok`
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`14:24.15`	`Starf^Work`	`Azar, foad`
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`14:25.04`	`KimHansen`	`Is it possible to access the list af addresses that has subscribed to a bugreport?`
`14:25.20`	`azeem`	`dunno`
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`14:25.44`	`Guerin`	`KimHansen: why would that be important?`
`14:26.22`	`KimHansen`	`Guerin: I want to know if I need to use a sneakemail account to subscribe`
`14:26.46`	`nosklo`	`Starf^Work: if you install in another machine, you can just use the cd and apt will download only new stuff`
`14:26.51`	`xoz`	`wow, lots of debian bug-fixes in 2.6.12 is related to powerpc`
`14:27.12`	`Guerin`	`KimHansen: heh. not really. Only addresses @lists.debian.org really get spammed`
`14:27.12`	`Garp`	`bebye :)`
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`14:27.39`	`KimHansen`	`Guerin: ok, I'll just subscribe with my real address`
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`14:28.24`	`Starf^Work`	`nosklo, I am trying to get php to work with mysql and apache but its not playing ball and its working fine with an apache13 install but not the apache20 install so when it all goes pete tong i find it easier but more long winded to reinstall it from scratch`
`14:28.38`	`hackeron`	`I'm doing a dist-upgrade, but hal depends on a newer kernel, and trying to apt-get a newer kernel I get The following packages have unmet dependencies please run apt-get -f install, but that just tells me udev depends on a newer kernel. Any ideas?`
`14:29.12`	`Azar`	`hackeron is better to install and use aptitude and use it for dist-upgrades`
`14:29.24`	`nosklo`	`Starf^Work: I never reinstall from scratch.`
`14:29.29`	`hackeron`	`Azar: how do I install aptitude?`
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`14:29.38`	`azeem`	`hackeron: aptitude install aptitude`
`14:29.39`	`Azar`	`hackeron apt-get install aptitude`
`14:29.40`	`Jacobo221`	`about a kernel... if i have the image, can i know which version that kernel image is (linux)?`
`14:29.43`	`azeem`	`snicker`
`14:29.58`	`hackeron`	`azeem: Azar: it just says packages have unmet dependencies again`
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`14:30.15`	`nosklo`	`Starf^Work: have you installed apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4?`
`14:30.19`	`azeem`	`hackeron: then something else is messed up, use apt-get -f install or don't use unstable`
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`14:30.39`	`Starf^Work`	`nosklo, yeah`
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`14:30.49`	`Starf^Work`	`and php4-mysql`
`14:30.51`	`antgel`	`Jacobo221: are you kidding?`
`14:30.57`	`knobo`	`how can I run partman after install?`
`14:31.10`	`nosklo`	`Starf^Work: works out of the box here`
`14:31.11`	`hackeron`	`azeem: apt-get -f install says udev depends on kernel 2.6.12`
`14:31.15`	`Jacobo221`	`antgel: usign head maybe?`
`14:31.27`	`Azar`	`azeem, the way I remember aptitude had a "repair" command, I forgot which`
`14:31.28`	`hackeron`	`azeem: and I'm not, I'm using testing`
`14:31.33`	`antgel`	`Jacobo221: please go to a channel for your native language`
`14:31.41`	`Starf^Work`	`it seems to here but zencart wont work with it`
`14:31.50`	`antgel`	`hackeron: please use stable`
`14:31.51`	`Starf^Work`	`gonna try 1.3 apache`
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`14:32.09`	`Azar`	`antgel, that means he has to reinstall?`
`14:32.14`	`Estes2`	`If i copy from a comp /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/shadow- to an other comp and /home... i should have the same users right ?`
`14:32.22`	`Althaser`	`I did what dpkg told me about klogd but it's doing the same :( why ?`
`14:32.23`	`Estes2`	`any other file to copy ?`
`14:32.50`	`petemc`	`Estes2: it might help to run pwconv too`
`14:32.54`	`Jacobo221`	`antgel: i don't think my language is the problem actually. maybe my ignorance`
`14:32.54`	`Jacobo221`	`antgel: i just ask about a way to extract the versin from a linux kernel image. it's a script that must do this, not a human being, so I ask for an automated way`
`14:33.01`	`Estes2`	`pwconv ?`
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`14:33.29`	`Guerin`	`Jacobo221: try 'strings'`
`14:33.48`	`Estes2`	`ty petemc i was about to forget also /etc/groups and gshadow`
`14:33.49`	`Estes2`	`wow`
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`14:34.36`	`Jacobo221`	`Guerin: yem but that would then become: strings <img> \| head -<X> \| grep '[0-9]\.[0-9]\.[0-9].' doesn't seem an optin ;)`
`14:34.50`	`Guerin`	`nope, strings don;t work`
`14:35.09`	`Jacobo221`	`Guerin: yes, it does work here`
`14:35.13`	`Guerin`	`Jacobo221: you mmight be SOL`
`14:35.28`	`Guerin`	`Jacobo221: doesn't give me a meaningful version, i mean`
`14:35.28`	`Jacobo221`	`Guerin: anyway, isn't there something like.. uname -a <file> ? :P`
`14:35.36`	`Guerin`	`Jacobo221: nttbomk`
`14:36.03`	`abrotman`	`Jacobo221: perhaps ask #kernel ?`
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`14:37.12`	`antgel`	`Azar: i reckon`
`14:37.14`	`Jacobo221`	`Guerin: ntbomk either ;)`
`14:37.19`	`Jacobo221`	`abrotman: ye, why not`
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`14:39.32`	`knobo`	`Is it possible to run partman (the partition program run during installation) after debian is installed?`
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`14:41.21`	`alchem`	`knobo, do you specifically need to run 'partman', or any partition manager would do?`
`14:41.50`	`netstop`	`hello all`
`14:42.08`	`dimir`	`m0rn!`
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`14:42.33`	`knobo`	`alchem: need to find out if it is possible to run partman after installation, but it's probably not possible. If it would be I would have found out by now..`
`14:42.33`	`netstop`	`i need help how to enter graphic interface`
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`14:43.14`	`abrotman`	`netstop: what is your graphic interface ?`
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`14:43.42`	`WillR`	`hey all! I'm looking for a progam to install on 20 workstation pc's running debian, that is LIKE msn messenger but ONLY allows chatting through the network they are on.. not msn or any other external network. just an inner office client... any ideas?`
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`14:44.00`	`abrotman`	`WillR: like .. jabber?`
`14:44.05`	`netstop`	`it is the first time i try to use linux & exactly debian`
`14:44.13`	`WillR`	`i donno.. jabber does that?`
`14:44.14`	`azeem`	`are there any jabber servers in Debian, btw?`
`14:44.20`	`abrotman`	`!jabber`
`14:44.20`	`dpkg`	`i heard jabber is a GPLed cross-platform, multi-protocol, extremely extensible instant messaging system that is server based and uses XML for communication. Check it out at http://jabber.org or #jabber., or gabber, or available via the apt-get sources.list line "deb http://eliot.landrum.cx/packages frozen main", or simply amazing!`
`14:44.23`	`abrotman`	`!info jabberd`
`14:44.28`	`abrotman`	`!info jabber`
`14:44.31`	`dpkg`	`jabber: (Daemon for the jabber.org Open Source Instant Messenger), section net, is optional. Version: 1.4.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 149 kB, Installed size: 564 kB`
`14:44.42`	`abrotman`	`iirc .. there's a jabber2 package also`
`14:44.42`	`azeem`	`ah`
`14:44.47`	`abrotman`	`!info jabber2`
`14:44.51`	`abrotman`	`oh well`
`14:44.53`	`abrotman`	`carry on`
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`14:45.27`	`WillR`	`ill check out jabber.. thx.. ne other suggestions?`
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`14:45.40`	`abrotman`	`WillR: if you don't allow external connections to AIM,MSN,Yahoo,ICQ,etc .. and don't setup jabber's s2s .. then yeah .. it would do IM for your network only`
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`14:46.05`	`WillR`	`willl THEY be able to allow it themseleves thru the client?`
`14:46.07`	`chealer`	`WillR: ...jabber?`
`14:46.07`	`abrotman`	`WillR: and there are clients for every platform (except DOS maybe)`
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`14:46.26`	`abrotman`	`WillR: use .. a firewall and don't allow outgoing to other types of IM ..`
`14:46.41`	`WillR`	`i have smoothwall ont he front`
`14:46.49`	`abrotman`	`or pick a client that doesn't do transports or whatever it is`
`14:46.53`	`WillR`	`dont have any ports blocked tho`
`14:47.03`	`flogiston`	`I just installed torsmo via apt. But there is no .torsmorc in my home directory.....`
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`14:47.33`	`abrotman`	`WillR: are they windows or linux clients ?`
`14:47.42`	`chealer`	`I'm not sure jabber clients can "not support transports"`
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`14:47.50`	`WillR`	`all on debian`
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`14:48.10`	`WillR`	`well there are 4 machines on xp`
`14:48.12`	`r3tex`	`anyone here use totem in firefox?`
`14:48.14`	`WillR`	`20 on debian`
`14:48.17`	`r3tex`	`or totem in general?`
`14:48.26`	`abrotman`	`WillR: find a client that doesn't support AOL or whatever .. and Exodus for win32 should be fine for you afaik`
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`14:48.51`	`netstop`	`what commande should i type to access graphic interface`
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`14:49.18`	`abrotman`	`netstop: WHICH interface ?`
`14:49.24`	`machodemo`	`ehm..cos'� questa chat?`
`14:49.26`	`WillR`	`(abrotman): searching.... thanks`
`14:49.30`	`machodemo`	`ci sono entrato per sbaglio`
`14:49.39`	`nosklo`	`machodemo: english please`
`14:49.41`	`abrotman`	`!es`
`14:49.41`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`14:49.46`	`abrotman`	`err`
`14:49.47`	`abrotman`	`!it`
`14:49.47`	`machodemo`	`ops..sorry..where am i?`
`14:49.47`	`dpkg`	`per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it`
`14:49.54`	`abrotman`	`machodemo: #debian`
`14:50.04`	`machodemo`	`#debian`
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`14:50.47`	`machodemo`	`sorry..i go out....i don't know where i am...eh eh eh`
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`14:51.30`	`netstop`	`i an log in as user defined in installation`
`14:51.40`	`netstop`	`& then what should i do`
`14:52.11`	`Shadowcat`	`is there a way to have NFS in debian ask for user/password verification before allowing you to mount?`
`14:52.12`	`baikonur`	`I have just upgraded to exim4, I can send emails via a smarthost but after fetching emails with fetchmail they aren't delivered correctly to my mailbox in /var/spool/. It worked with exim3 though.`
`14:52.23`	`steal`	`hi all`
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`14:53.02`	`steal`	`#include <iostream>`
`14:53.02`	`steal`	`main ()`
`14:53.02`	`steal`	`{`
`14:53.02`	`steal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:53.03`	`steal`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`14:53.07`	`Papipo`	`hi`
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`14:53.23`	`Papipo`	`how can i know if i have some sort of prelinking enabled?`
`14:53.31`	`petemc`	`baikonur: the logs should say where the mails are going`
`14:53.34`	`Papipo`	`i have not prelink installed`
`14:53.51`	`Zugschlus`	`baikonur: what does happen to the messages? What does the exim log say?`
`14:54.05`	`abrotman`	`steal: guess what .. don't paste`
`14:54.11`	`steal`	`sorry`
`14:54.12`	`netstop`	`need help pls`
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`14:54.17`	`abrotman`	`machodemo: #debian`
`14:54.19`	`abrotman`	`drr`
`14:54.26`	`abrotman`	`netstop: WHICH interface ?`
`14:54.31`	`xoz`	`steal: seems the code has no bug. what's your problem?`
`14:54.35`	`petemc`	`Zugschlus: using irssi?`
`14:54.42`	`steal`	`i can't compile it`
`14:54.44`	`abrotman`	`netstop: KDE,Gnome, something else?`
`14:54.44`	`netstop`	`i don't undrestant what you meen`
`14:54.50`	`steal`	helloworld.c++:(.text+0x25): undefined reference to `std::cout'
`14:54.55`	`Zugschlus`	`petemc: yes`
`14:54.56`	`abrotman`	`!b-e steal`
`14:54.57`	`dpkg`	`steal: Sounds like you need to install build-essential.`
`14:55.00`	`xoz`	`steal: g++ <prog.cpp>`
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`14:55.08`	`petemc`	`Zugschlus: you can set up macros to do that then :)`
`14:55.10`	`xoz`	`steal: not gcc`
`14:55.13`	`Zugschlus`	`petemc: I know`
`14:55.16`	`Zugschlus`	`I just need to do it`
`14:55.23`	`steal`	`yes i had just installed build esential package`
`14:55.28`	`steal`	`but don't work`
`14:55.40`	`nosklo`	`steal: are you using g++ to compile it?`
`14:55.40`	`xoz`	`steal: what's the error in compilation?`
`14:55.42`	`netstop`	`give me simple exemple`
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`14:55.50`	`steal`	`i'm using gcc`
`14:55.55`	`xoz`	`steal: use g++`
`14:56.06`	`nosklo`	`netstop: what do you want to do?`
`14:56.08`	`abrotman`	`netstop: KDE,Gnoem, blackbox, somethign elkse ... which GUI do you want ?`
`14:56.09`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: "mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20] Connection refused" "R=hub_user_smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (111): Connection refused"`
`14:56.23`	`nosklo`	`abrotman: seems like console`
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`14:56.31`	`abrotman`	`nosklo: he's at the console now`
`14:56.40`	`steal`	`aleeeeeee g++ work`
`14:56.43`	`netstop`	`what are they used for those interfaces`
`14:56.53`	`zerohero`	`i installed debian testing the other day, from scratch, and there seem to be no "debian menu" in this version of gnome. is there anyway to get it back?`
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`14:57.04`	`abrotman`	`zerohero: i noticed that too ...`
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`14:57.07`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: however R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost H=mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.21] X=TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32 gets a "completed"`
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`14:57.18`	`abrotman`	`zerohero: update-menus ? .. maybe ?`
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`14:57.24`	`xoz`	`steal: /j ##C++, they are very helpful`
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`14:57.31`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: can I query you to talk in German?`
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`14:57.35`	`abrotman`	`!de`
`14:57.35`	`dpkg`	`methinks de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de`
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`14:57.50`	`Zugschlus`	`baikonur: both are deliveries to an external host. You are complaining that you don't get any local deliveries`
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`14:57.59`	`abrotman`	`netstop: KDE,Gnoem, blackbox, somethign elkse ... which GUI do you want ?`
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`14:58.08`	`zerohero`	`abrotman: i have no idea at all, hence i'm asking`
`14:58.10`	`steal`	`xoz, thanks very much i've tryied g++ and it work`
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`14:58.16`	`steal`	`thank u very much`
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`14:58.32`	`abrotman`	`zerohero: i think it's a bug .. but i haven't foind where yet .. you might want to try #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org ..`
`14:58.43`	`abrotman`	`netstop: well .. i'm waiting for an answer`
`14:58.45`	`zerohero`	`abrotman: ok, thanks`
`14:58.50`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: yeah, because it seems that the delivery to the external host worked at first`
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`14:59.14`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`back`
`14:59.16`	`abrotman`	`netstop: do you need a suggestino for one?`
`14:59.19`	`error403`	`Is there anybody here who has an Abit AN8 Ultra, and has managed to get the onboard sound to work?`
`14:59.21`	`Azar`	`abrotman, is gnome the preferred GUI interface in Debian, and if yes why? to me it looks so hard on many new users..`
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`14:59.41`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: and I have the email I sent in /var/spool/exim4/input with "Received: from pop.1und1.com [212.227.15.161]" and " by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.2.5)" in its header`
`14:59.47`	`abrotman`	`Azar: there is no "preferred"`
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`14:59.50`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`why apt-get install x-window-system-core isn't that good, use instead apt-get install x-window-system`
`14:59.51`	`xoz`	`steal: libboost-dev and other libboost-* are very powerful... if you have some problems that the standard library seems to be not enough, try boost.`
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`15:00.00`	`abrotman`	`Azar: and if a new user can't figure out gnome .. he's gonna have problems with debian :)`
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`15:00.10`	`Azar`	`error403, if you are trying to use alsa, the alsa website has a list for all sound drivers, check it there`
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`15:00.30`	`error403`	`Azar, sure, ill check it out... thanks`
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`15:00.44`	`Azar`	`abrotman, I never used gnome, my favorite GUI is openbox, and for a new user is a lot easier to figure it out`
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`15:00.50`	`abrotman`	`Azar: blackbox!`
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`15:01.11`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: if I have the email I sent fetched with fetchmail on my computer but not in my mailbox then there should be a problem with local delivery and not external delivery, shouldn't it?`
`15:01.16`	`Azar`	`:) is blackbox easier than openbox?`
`15:01.17`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`i can't install gnome without having X ?`
`15:01.25`	`abrotman`	`you can`
`15:01.36`	`Zugschlus`	`baikonur: but you have obviously configured exim to deliver the message to the smarthost instead of to the local file system`
`15:01.38`	`abrotman`	`it has to install some X libraries`
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`15:01.54`	`Starf^Work`	`lo abrotman ltns`
`15:01.55`	`fwtest`	`anyone knows rss reader which support newsfeed in html form?`
`15:01.59`	`xoz`	`openbox shortcut keys are easy to configure`
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`15:02.06`	`abrotman`	`Starf^Work: engrish ?`
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`15:02.10`	`Zugschlus`	`what does exim -bt target_user@domain.example.com say with your values substituted?`
`15:02.11`	`Azar`	`HeLpSysTeM, its like trying to fill up your dish and try to eat without having a table to sit at`
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`15:02.18`	`moya`	`where can I get woody cd 1 iso ?`
`15:02.23`	`abrotman`	`xoz: i used blackbox for a long time .. it's quite easy`
`15:02.26`	`Starf^Work`	`ltns - long time no see`
`15:02.30`	`abrotman`	`moya: you mean sarge ?`
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`15:02.38`	`abrotman`	`Starf^Work: ah .. hi`
`15:02.45`	`Starf^Work`	`moya: sarge is the new woody`
`15:02.59`	`abrotman`	`pink is the new green`
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`15:03.14`	`Starf^Work`	`;)`
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`15:03.20`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: ok, but this wasn't my intention. How do I configure it correctly? I did the configuration with dpkg-reconfigure exim-config and edited passwd.client manually`
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`15:03.26`	`Azar`	`Starf^Work, you are wrong: sarge is a major upgrade from woody`
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`15:03.37`	`moya`	`abrotman: no, I mean woody`
`15:03.40`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`15:03.43`	`abrotman`	`!woody netinst`
`15:03.43`	`dpkg`	`hmm... woody netinst is at http://people.debian.org/~ieure/netinst/`
`15:03.45`	`abrotman`	`no`
`15:03.46`	`abrotman`	`don't use that`
`15:03.47`	`abrotman`	`damn it`
`15:03.49`	`Zugschlus`	`baikonur: paste your update-exim4.conf.conf to paste.debian.net please`
`15:03.50`	`abrotman`	`let me find it`
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`15:04.00`	`Starf^Work`	`Azar, as i said foad, sarge replaced woody as being the "stable" edition so therefore sarge is the new woody now foad`
`15:04.04`	`moya`	`abrotman: it isn't yet in the archive`
`15:04.12`	`abrotman`	`woody is old ..`
`15:04.22`	`ircops`	`anybody know what "Leefdtijd" means ?`
`15:04.22`	`Azar`	`Starf^Work, sarge is 3 times bigger than woody`
`15:04.28`	`Starf^Work`	`and?`
`15:04.33`	`zerohero`	`abrotman: apt-get install menu-xdg, if you want to know`
`15:04.35`	`moya`	`Starf^Work: I now what stable, testing and unstable is, also what woody, sarge, etch, and sid is`
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`15:04.41`	`nosklo`	`Azar: you should install only what you need`
`15:04.41`	`moya`	`Starf^Work: what I need is woody, not sarge`
`15:04.42`	`abrotman`	`zerohero: want to know what?`
`15:04.45`	`zerohero`	`abrotman: it's in the changelog apparently`
`15:04.48`	`abrotman`	`zerohero: oh .. bout my menus ?`
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`15:04.52`	`zerohero`	`abrotman: about the debian menu`
`15:04.58`	`abrotman`	`zerohero: ah .. thanks !`
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`15:05.00`	`Starf^Work`	`moya: then find debian 3.0 stable`
`15:05.03`	`Azar`	`nosklo, I upgraded from woody to sarge five months ago`
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`15:05.20`	`Starf^Work`	`what azar should do is learn how to be nice`
`15:05.32`	`abrotman`	`moya: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/debian-cd/oldimages/3.0_r5/i386/`
`15:05.36`	`moya`	`Starf^Work: that's precisely what I'm looking for, it isn't in www.debian.org/CD nor in the archive`
`15:05.39`	`moya`	`ok, thanks abrot`
`15:05.47`	`Starf^Work`	`moya: k`
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`15:05.59`	`abrotman`	`!gnome menu is install menu-xdg`
`15:05.59`	`dpkg`	`abrotman: okay`
`15:06.00`	`Azar`	`Starf^Work, I can see you could not take my comments regarding your ability to spend time , read and learn, yes I was mean, I am sorry`
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`15:06.04`	`moya`	`thanks Starf^Work`
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`15:06.15`	`Starf^Work`	`azar: apology accepted`
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`15:06.26`	`Starf^Work`	`moya: how come you want that version?`
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`15:06.35`	`Starf^Work`	`just curious`
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`15:06.53`	`Starf^Work`	`meh`
`15:06.54`	`Starf^Work`	`left`
`15:06.55`	`Starf^Work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:06.58`	`Starf^Work`	`talking to myself again`
`15:07.11`	`Starf^Work`	`10mins left of downloading sighes`
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`15:07.20`	`steal`	`i need an orkut invite`
`15:07.23`	`cahoot`	`Starf^Work: you do have a large audience`
`15:07.31`	`Starf^Work`	`wish i was in the london office, got a 1gbit pipe there`
`15:07.31`	`steal`	`can you help me?`
`15:07.49`	`Starf^Work`	`cahoot, the person i was talking to left i meant`
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`15:09.08`	`abrotman`	`bots suck`
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`15:09.24`	`Starf^Work`	`yeah`
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`15:10.16`	`rubem`	`help! my apache got crazy!!!!!`
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`15:10.53`	`rubem`	`when I access .php files, instead sending text/html as content-type, it is sending aplication/php !!!!`
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`15:11.28`	`abrotman`	`rubem: read at php.net!`
`15:11.30`	`abrotman`	`!!!`
`15:11.31`	`dpkg`	`I am not your damn csh prompt!`
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`15:11.34`	`abrotman`	`dpkg: you should be`
`15:11.50`	`rubem`	`abrotman: the problem is at apache, not php`
`15:11.54`	`error403`	`Azar, thanks for your help earlier - My audio isnt supported by ASLA`
`15:11.59`	`rubem`	`hum`
`15:12.05`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`how to get all gnome installed.`
`15:12.06`	`error403`	`but i found the drivers elsewhere`
`15:12.10`	`abrotman`	`rubem: no .. it's with the way you configured apache to work with PHP .. the docs are at php.net`
`15:12.17`	`abrotman`	`HeLpSysTeM: apt-get install gnome`
`15:12.39`	`HeLpSysTeM`	`is that it`
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`15:13.12`	`rubem`	`how do I restart apache?`
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`15:13.42`	`abrotman`	`/etc/init.d/apache restart ?`
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`15:16.26`	`rubem`	`I think someone hacked my computer, when I access localhost, it redirects to microsoft.com!`
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`15:16.36`	`abrotman`	`rubem: stop trolling us`
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`15:16.43`	`rubem`	`???`
`15:16.50`	`abrotman`	`so far you've not asked a single debian question`
`15:17.07`	`stew`	`!irritate abrotman`
`15:17.07`	`dpkg`	`abrotman: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh mouse lol`
`15:17.09`	`rubem`	`oooooooooops!!!! worg channel! sorry!!!`
`15:17.14`	`abrotman`	`!phillysmite stew`
`15:17.25`	`stew`	`i'd like to see you try that`
`15:17.39`	`abrotman`	`i'd need .. 5 of me to lift it .. maybe`
`15:17.42`	`abrotman`	`maybe 10`
`15:17.53`	`jjazz`	`I did it once. How do you think it got that crack in it?`
`15:18.01`	`stew`	`!mith jjazz`
`15:18.03`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: rough week for baseball eh? :)`
`15:18.38`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, terrible. The Yanks didn't play like champs, so it's fitting that they lose. But I'm not happy about it.`
`15:18.44`	`paquin`	`do I nedd exim4-daemon-heavy to authenticate against a smarthost (with passwd.client) or exim4-daemon-light already does the trick?`
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`15:18.57`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: the last game was stressful .. but damn .. RJ .. he needs a new pitching coach :)`
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`15:19.08`	`Zugschlus`	`paquin: -light is fine`
`15:19.29`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, he is his own coach. Doesn't really listen to anybody else, which makes sense since he's so unique.`
`15:19.37`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: i think it will be sox/astros!`
`15:19.51`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: then he needs to hire one .. he's just .. lost some kind of edge IMO`
`15:19.53`	`Zugschlus`	`In addition to the features already supported by exim4-daemon-light, exim4-daemon-heavy's extended features include LDAP, PostgreSQL and MySQL data lookups, SASL and SPA SMTP authentication embedded Perl interpreter, and exiscan-acl for integration of virus-scanners and spamassassin.`
`15:20.01`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, I think so too. Sox all the way, baby, but those will be fun to watch.`
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`15:20.57`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: though .. if last night was any indicator .. .. ChiSox couldn't bring anyone home .. oh well`
`15:21.07`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, Truth be told, the playoffs are a lot less stressful after your team is eliminated.`
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`15:21.30`	`paquin`	`Zugschlus: thankyou I think -light is for me`
`15:21.32`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: well .. i figured BoSox would make playoffs but that wsa it .. so i wasn't really stressed to begin with :)`
`15:21.39`	`diegob`	`hi, i have a trouble with Debian ISO 3.1r0a... the installer says that libdb2.4 MD5 is wrong and than quit... i can't find info about this problem. someone have already got it?`
`15:21.40`	`abrotman`	`jjazz: i'm a fan .. but a realist :)`
`15:21.52`	`flogiston`	`Which is the latest ati drivers thats in apt?`
`15:21.54`	`jjazz`	`abrotman, anything can happen in a 5-game series.`
`15:21.57`	`abrotman`	`i know`
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`15:22.02`	`abrotman`	`!flgrx`
`15:22.07`	`abrotman`	`!fglrx`
`15:22.07`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort`
`15:22.15`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: http://paste.debian.net/2286`
`15:22.16`	`flogiston`	`just apt-get install fglrx?`
`15:22.19`	`abrotman`	`no`
`15:22.22`	`abrotman`	`!ati debs`
`15:22.23`	`dpkg`	`from memory, ati debs is http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html`
`15:22.25`	`diegob`	`nobody can help me?`
`15:22.38`	`abrotman`	`diegob: #debian-boot`
`15:22.55`	`flogiston`	`abrotman: what do you mean?`
`15:22.58`	`diegob`	`sure? thanks`
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`15:23.09`	`jjazz`	`diegob, Was the MD5 of the ISO correct when you downloaded it?`
`15:23.14`	`diegob`	`ies`
`15:23.15`	`diegob`	`yes`
`15:23.16`	`N0S3`	`hey, ddclient do not update automatly! any answerr?`
`15:23.37`	`jjazz`	`diegob, then #debian-boot is your answer :)`
`15:23.50`	`diegob`	`ah, ok... sorry for the disturb`
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`15:24.06`	`Zugschlus`	`baikonur: you have not configured any local domains, so exim will only treat mail to your local host name as local. Is that intended behavior?`
`15:24.11`	`abrotman`	`flogiston: i mean .. read that url`
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`15:24.40`	`flogiston`	`you didn't paste any url`
`15:24.45`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: no, I don't want that, but that's was dpkg-reconfigure exim-config did. Which entry is missing?`
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`15:25.14`	`abrotman`	`!ati debs`
`15:25.14`	`dpkg`	`[ati debs] http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html`
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`15:25.45`	`Zugschlus`	`baikonur: the debconf interface does not have any prominent bugs at the moment. Did you -read- the explanation to the questions?`
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`15:26.05`	`flogiston`	`Sorry then.`
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`15:26.17`	`Zugschlus`	`baikonur: I'd like to recommend re-configuring again, and reading the explanations in full beore answering the questions`
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`15:26.35`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: yeah I think so, but if it is not correct I must have overseen something, I will try it again. Thank you very much.`
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`15:27.22`	`Trajan`	`hi all how do u list all active process please ?`
`15:27.29`	`Trajan`	`i tried top but thats all process`
`15:27.32`	`Zugschlus`	`baikonur: also, please notice that "satellite" translates to "mail sent to smarthost; no local mail" in the debconf interface.`
`15:27.40`	`Zugschlus`	`And "no local mail" means - surprisingly - "no local mail".`
`15:27.48`	`Azar`	`making a new PC, I wonder if I should go with D-Link (RTL8139) ethernet if I can find one or VIA-Rhine , knowing that there was a bug in 2.6x kernels for VIA-Rhine.... was the bug fixed?`
`15:27.59`	`nkuttler`	`Trajan: ps`
`15:27.59`	`relaxed`	`Trajan: man ps`
`15:28.16`	`Trajan`	`thx nkuttler and relaxed`
`15:28.17`	`Zugschlus`	`baikonur: if you want to use fetchmail, it would probably be a good idea to choose "mail sent my smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail".`
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`15:30.45`	`abrotman`	`!u`
`15:30.45`	`dpkg`	`Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`15:30.57`	`dorto`	`!wud`
`15:30.57`	`dpkg`	`nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun.`
`15:31.05`	`dorto`	`lol`
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`15:35.34`	`dorto`	`i have installed my public ssh rsa key on the server; now when i try to access cvs on the server(through ssh), it still asks for my login password`
`15:36.09`	`valdyn`	`dorto: where did you install that key?`
`15:36.24`	`dorto`	`$HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys`
`15:36.45`	`dorto`	`private key is in my local machine: $HOME/.ssh`
`15:36.56`	`valdyn`	`dorto: ls -l ~/.ssh/authorized_keys`
`15:37.16`	`dorto`	`on server: id_rsa.pub`
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`15:38.41`	`dorto`	`permissions: -rw-r--r-- size=221`
`15:39.12`	`stew`	`dorto: permissions should be 600, not 644`
`15:39.23`	`Beik`	`dorto, are you using ssh2? maybe mv ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2`
`15:39.33`	`dorto`	`when i don't give the login password that is requested, i get this error: Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)`
`15:39.42`	`dorto`	`will change that stew`
`15:39.48`	`valdyn`	`dorto: that permissions is ok, its irrelevant of others can read that`
`15:40.01`	`dorto`	`as long as my paraphrase is safe?`
`15:40.02`	`valdyn`	`dorto: those permissions are ok, its irrelevant if others can read that`
`15:40.15`	`valdyn`	`dorto: its just a public key...`
`15:40.18`	`dorto`	`that's public kjy`
`15:40.26`	`dorto`	`yes right`
`15:40.40`	`dorto`	`let me try to make a copy in authorized_keys2`
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`15:40.51`	`tabris\|away`	`valdyn: I dunno... I've known ssh to care`
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`15:41.01`	`tabris\|away`	`valdyn: i've had it _not_ work unless perms are 0600`
`15:41.10`	`tabris\|away`	`valdyn: and 0700 for ~/.ssh/`
`15:41.28`	`stew`	`dorto: you don't need authorized_keys2`
`15:41.32`	`stew`	`dorto: /msg dpkg debug sshd`
`15:41.35`	`valdyn`	`tabris\|away: that's not required`
`15:41.46`	`tabris\|away`	`valdyn: on _some_ distros it _is_`
`15:41.54`	`tabris\|away`	`valdyn: esp certain BSDs`
`15:42.08`	`valdyn`	`dorto: ls -l ~/.ssh/id_rsa`
`15:42.14`	`valdyn`	`dorto: on your client`
`15:42.34`	`dorto`	`valdyn: -rw-------`
`15:43.02`	`valdyn`	`dorto: alright, that is perfectly fine too. so i dont knoiw more than reading the debug output ( /msg dpkg debug ssh )`
`15:43.25`	`dorto`	`ok`
`15:43.42`	`dorto`	`will try to gather some data from sshd`
`15:43.42`	`tabris\|away`	`valdyn: possible that public-key authentication is turned off?`
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`15:44.09`	`valdyn`	`tabris\|away: yea, if he wasnt getting " (publickey,keyboard-interactive) " in his error message`
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`15:44.52`	`valdyn`	`dorto: did you ass your public key to authorized_keys manually btw?`
`15:44.55`	`cahoot`	`valdyn: the key mangled when copying it over?`
`15:44.57`	`valdyn`	`dorto: did you add your public key to authorized_keys manually btw?`
`15:45.15`	`valdyn`	`cahoot: yea, that's what im thinking too..`
`15:45.36`	`dorto`	`valdyn: yes, i did a scp to the server machine from my local machine`
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`15:46.03`	`M23`	`what would be the grep command to exclude lines that contain a certain string in the output, but show everything else?`
`15:46.24`	`nkuttler`	`M23: man grep`
`15:46.56`	`valdyn`	`dorto: paste the debug output somewhere if you dont understand it`
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`15:48.22`	`M23`	`okay, I missed the option then when I read it the first time.`
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`15:49.42`	`abrotman`	`read it .. again ?`
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`15:51.49`	`valdyn`	`dorto: oh, the factoid is '/msg dpkg debug sshd'`
`15:52.03`	`valdyn`	`dorto: but stew said that correctly..`
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`15:58.06`	`dorto`	`this is the output of sshd on my server before my client prompted for password: http://pastebin.com/391296`
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`15:58.28`	`wildkarde`	`for some reason, every time i apt-get upgrade, apt wants to reinstall my current kernel 2.6.12. Is anyone else having this problem or knows a possible solution?`
`15:59.05`	`andystyle`	`for some reason when i installed debian, it didn't include the source in /usr/src/linux`
`15:59.15`	`andystyle`	`how do i get my linux source code?`
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`15:59.23`	`ircdevil`	`i suddenly remember how long time a web search took back in 1996`
`15:59.33`	`stew`	`andystyle: apt-get install kernel-source-$(uname -r)`
`15:59.36`	`ircdevil`	`31.5 seconds`
`16:00.10`	`stew`	`andystyle: are you sure you need the source and not just the headers?`
`16:00.42`	`valdyn`	`dorto: looks like key doesnt match, unless RSAAUthentication is set to no on your server i guess`
`16:00.58`	`dorto`	`RSAAuthentication is set to yes`
`16:01.00`	`resiak`	`andystyle: The reason why it isn't installed automagically, by the way, is that there's no good reason for it to be`
`16:01.05`	`dorto`	`should i try to re-copy?`
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`16:01.16`	`andystyle`	`oh?`
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`16:01.42`	`valdyn`	`dorto: i guess , I dont know the 'proper' way to add keys to the authorised_keys file`
`16:01.48`	`stew`	`dorto: there is a utility for moving ssh keys, just "ssh-copy-id username@remotehost"`
`16:01.56`	`andystyle`	`well i'm trying to run driverloader and it's looking for something in /usr/src/linux`
`16:01.58`	`valdyn`	`dorto: ^^^`
`16:02.01`	`dorto`	`oh`
`16:02.08`	`dorto`	`i will delete and use stew's method`
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`16:02.38`	`stew`	`andystyle: whatever is looking in /usr/src/linux is broken, it should be looking in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build`
`16:02.46`	`valdyn`	`dorto: i can only guess that cut & paste didnt do what you thought it would, or something like that`
`16:02.51`	`stew`	`andystyle: and you should only need the kernel-headers, not the kenrel-source`
`16:03.31`	`dorto`	`i did not do cut and paste with public key file; i did scp`
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`16:03.49`	`dorto`	`you talking about sshd output i guess`
`16:03.53`	`valdyn`	`dorto: how did you add it to authorised_keys though?`
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`16:04.09`	`valdyn`	`dorto: nah, just wondering how you managed to mangle your public key`
`16:04.14`	`r3tex`	`what is the apt graphical ui called again?`
`16:04.19`	`dorto`	`scp id_rsa.pub user@server/~/.ssh/authorized_keys`
`16:04.27`	`dorto`	`lol^^^`
`16:04.30`	`blaamann`	`In what file do I specify my keyboard setting ?`
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`16:04.38`	`stew`	`r3tex: aptitude? synaptic?`
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`16:04.44`	`stew`	`blaamann: /msg dpkg keymap`
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`16:05.40`	`valdyn`	`dorto: ls -l ~/.ssh/identity`
`16:05.44`	`valdyn`	`dorto: on your client`
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`16:06.22`	`valdyn`	`dorto: i doubt your pubkey is mangled then, scp just works`
`16:06.41`	`dorto`	`wait, i got a doubt now`
`16:06.49`	`dorto`	`authorized_keys should be a directory or file?`
`16:06.55`	`valdyn`	`dorto: dir`
`16:07.01`	`valdyn`	`dorto: ack, FILE`
`16:07.19`	`dorto`	`lol, i created a dir and copied public key into it :P`
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`16:07.34`	`dorto`	`now using stew's method i got the error: bash: line 1: .ssh/authorized_keys: Is a directory`
`16:07.47`	`vca`	`i'm creating a qmail package that replaces exim4 in sarge as the mail-transport-agent, and the debian policy manual seems to suggest that mutually exclusive pkgs should have a Conflicts, Replaces and Provides (in this case each is mail-transport-agent) for the vpkg, and i thought dpkg would remove the conflicting pkg providing mail-transport-agent? but it's not. here's the control file : http://pastebin.com/391309`
`16:07.54`	`valdyn`	`dorto: nice..`
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`16:08.13`	`dorto`	`i:P`
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`16:09.14`	`valdyn`	`vca: dpkg doesnt remove or install anything 'automatically'`
`16:09.24`	`valdyn`	`vca: apt-get would do that`
`16:09.43`	`dorto`	`won't this authorized_keys be overwritten if i try to scp-copy another public key?`
`16:09.51`	`vca`	`understood, but even apt-get doesn't do it if i put it on our repository`
`16:09.54`	`dorto`	`only one public key needed per user?`
`16:09.56`	`valdyn`	`dorto: sure it would`
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`16:10.09`	`stew`	`dorto: if you have an authorized_keys directory on the server, you need to remove that and start again`
`16:10.25`	`valdyn`	`dorto: if that user had the same 'identity' on every client, yes`
`16:11.14`	`stew`	`one public key is needed per private key, of course :)`
`16:11.21`	`dorto`	`stew: yes, i have removed the dir, followed what you said and now have good working ssh connection :)`
`16:11.28`	`dorto`	`thx a lot valdyn, stew`
`16:11.29`	`duncf`	`what's the difference between flex and bison?`
`16:11.32`	`stew`	`cool`
`16:11.55`	`dorto`	`but my paraphrase is never asked for. why is ssh-agent used then?`
`16:12.12`	`Anthro`	`duncf: flex is for creating lexical parsers, bison is for creating language grammars.`
`16:12.37`	`duncf`	`Anthro: ah.. ok thanks`
`16:12.52`	`Anthro`	`duncf: More to the point, you tokenize input with flex-generated code and parse the tokenized stream with bison-generated code.`
`16:12.52`	`resiak`	`vca: Why aren't you using the qmail stuff from non-free?`
`16:12.57`	`resiak`	`vca: /msg dpkg qmail`
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`16:13.00`	`valdyn`	`dorto: b/c programs or users arent supposed to deal with keyfiles directly`
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`16:14.11`	`dorto`	`valdyn: once public key is copied where am i dealing with key files anymore? i am able access everything on my server using ssh now; i was asked to add private key using ssh-add and my paraphrase`
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`16:14.32`	`stew`	`vca: your package both Conflicts: mail-transport-agent and Provides: mail-transport-agent, i'm not sure that makes sense`
`16:14.45`	`_rene_`	`stew: it does.`
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`16:14.53`	`vca`	`stew: ok, i took the example from the debian pkg policy manual`
`16:14.59`	`stew`	`ok, i could be wrong`
`16:15.20`	`stew`	`nm, lookinga at other mta's it looks to be the norm`
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`16:16.45`	`xoz`	`dorto: ssh-copy-id adds the public key to authorized key automatically`
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`16:17.16`	`dorto`	`xoz: when is ssh-agent needed?`
`16:17.20`	`vca`	`resiak: well i guess qmail is distributed as qmail-src because of djb's licensing, but i was hoping that apt-get qmail-src would be able to build and install w/o manual intervention. qmail used to be uid-dependent, maybe that's been fixed in the sarge pkg since it overrides qmail-uid-gid`
`16:17.26`	`LLuVia`	`hi ComraDe`
`16:17.28`	`LLuVia`	`:)`
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`16:18.02`	`resiak`	`vca: I have never used it. but anyway, you can allegedly build the binary debs with two commands after installing the source package.`
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`16:18.40`	`vca`	`resiak: aye, i've done it before on woody.. it just doesn't seem to be happy on sarge replacing exim from apt-get.. i'll poke around it. thanks for the help.`
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`16:20.47`	`xoz`	`dorto: it is used to manage your identity.. (ssh-add -l) ... when you use ssh-add + passphrase and configured your ssh client to forwardagent, then you don't need to type your passphrase again because the agent will automatically proxy the authentication.`
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`16:22.02`	`andystyle`	`how come i have no build directory in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686?`
`16:22.47`	`Doctor_D`	`okay, I'm having a brainfart... how do I get apt/dpkg to spit out a list of installed packages?`
`16:23.05`	`petemc`	`Doctor_D: dpkg -l`
`16:23.25`	`dorto`	`xoz: that is what i thought and used exactly that way when i used cvs client in windows. but in this gnu/linux, i am never asked for a paraphrase, so was getting a bit confused`
`16:23.46`	`Doctor_D`	`petemc, thx`
`16:23.48`	`dorto`	`will i be asked for paraphrase when i reboot?`
`16:24.50`	`andystyle`	`so when i try to install my wifi driver it fails because i have no /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/build directory... how do i fix that?`
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`16:25.19`	`xoz`	`dorto: try ssh-agent xterm... then inside xterm, try ssh-add... you'll provide the passphrase and the agent will now proxy your login to other servers with your identity.`
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`16:26.11`	`xoz`	`dorto: you should have ssh-add < /dev/null somewhere in your .xsession`
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`16:26.40`	`xoz`	`dorto: ssh-add < /dev/null will prompt for a passphrase.`
`16:26.54`	`dorto`	`xoz: but currently i don't have to provide a paraphrase to connect to server using ssh`
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`16:27.05`	`dorto`	`so why use ssh-agent`
`16:27.24`	`xoz`	`dorto: that means that you have empty passphrase? very bad idea.`
`16:27.42`	`dorto`	`nope :&`
`16:27.57`	`xoz`	`or empty password?`
`16:28.06`	`dorto`	`i normally use a simple password but for passphrase i used a complex string :smug:`
`16:28.33`	`andystyle`	`so when i try to install my wifi driver it fails because i have no /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/build directory... how do i fix that?`
`16:28.34`	`dorto`	`i have a non-empty password`
`16:28.41`	`xoz`	`i don't think you can login without authentication if this is not managed by ssh-agent.`
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`16:29.20`	`dorto`	`will see if paraphrase is asked once i re-login`
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`16:29.36`	`xoz`	`dorto: maybe, it was cached.`
`16:30.06`	`dorto`	`xoz: in that case, i will add it using ssh-add - as you said`
`16:30.23`	`vca`	`is it possible to atomically dpkg --purge and --install two pkgs which conflict?`
`16:31.13`	`vca`	`i can't purge exim4 because it Provides mail-transport-agent, and I can't dpkg --install qmail because it conflicts with mail-transport-agent, provided by exim`
`16:31.44`	`xoz`	`dorto: but you have to check why you can login without passphrase. in OS X, there is a sshkey manager which stores this passphrase... maybe, you have a certain application doing this key management? make sure your security is ok.`
`16:32.36`	`Beik`	`vca: dpkg --force-help`
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`16:33.57`	`dorto`	`xoz: o.0 don't know what to check. mine is debian 3.1(sarge)`
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`16:34.38`	`xoz`	`dorto: do you have ssh-agent running?`
`16:34.41`	`jazzmanss`	`do you think it's just bad luck, or is there another reason my main hard drive keeps failing? It's not a temperature/airflow thing, as I have 7 hard drives in teh same machine, and it is always hda that fails. (I mean 3 times in the last two months) I'm running 3.1 sarge. I've got a good power supply, enermax 450 watt. The file systems are all ext3. suggestions?`
`16:35.11`	`xoz`	`dorto: can you execute ssh-add < /dev/null without error of not being able to connect to the agent?`
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`16:35.16`	`dorto`	`xoz: yes, its running`
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`16:36.05`	`dorto`	`ps -e \| grep ssh-agent shows it as running`
`16:36.32`	`xoz`	`dorto: so perhaps, it is working. try to kill it and check if you can login without passphrase to other machines. if you fail, then it is managing the authentication. otherwise, there might be some holes in your authentication.`
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`16:37.08`	`carlinhos`	`I have one sb audigy 2 nx usb in one sid kernel 2.6.8 with alsa and sounds like when the pitufos speak, aside from a little distorted by google not at all interesting nonencounter, somebody has mounted`
`16:37.11`	`dorto`	`xoz : ok`
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`16:38.07`	`dorto`	`xoz : lol, yes - i am asked for the paraphrase after killing ssh-agent`
`16:38.22`	`dorto`	`xoz : so it automatically added my private key`
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`16:39.14`	`andystyle`	`so when i try to install my wifi driver it fails because i have no /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/build directory... how do i fix that?`
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`16:39.34`	`carlinhos`	`install kernel-headers andystyle`
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`16:40.04`	`snail`	`andystyle: "apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-686"`
`16:40.19`	`xoz`	`dorto: yep. you may have forgotten that it asked you once. after that, it will no longer ask for passphrase again unless it is killed. it assumes that you are authenticated user... the danger is if somebody sneaks to your keyboard... that somebody will have access to your remote machines easily.`
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`16:41.05`	`dorto`	`hmmm.`
`16:42.03`	`overflow`	`is there any problem (and a way to fix it) with gnome it Etch?`
`16:42.21`	`xoz`	`dorto: not added... actually, it forwards your private key to the other host for matching with your public key saved in the authorized_keys of the remote machine.`
`16:42.46`	`andystyle`	`thanks guys`
`16:42.47`	`dorto`	`i c`
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`16:42.56`	`hackeron`	`what package provides the badblocks utility?`
`16:43.43`	`r3tex`	`is kde on debian stable really at 3.1?`
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`16:44.06`	`andystyle`	`ls`
`16:44.09`	`andystyle`	`oops`
`16:44.14`	`nkuttler`	`hackeron: /msg dpkg search`
`16:44.24`	`aktinos`	`hackeron: e2fsprogs`
`16:44.28`	`streuner`	`r3tex: pdo`
`16:44.48`	`hackeron`	`nkuttler: no reply`
`16:45.07`	`r3tex`	`streuner: sorry i'm not familiar with l33t jargon`
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`16:45.25`	`streuner`	`r3tex: its debian jargon`
`16:45.28`	`streuner`	`!pdo`
`16:45.28`	`dpkg`	`http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/`
`16:45.31`	`hackeron`	`aktinos: thanks, thats the one`
`16:46.26`	`dorto`	`i need a suggestion: i want to install j2ee servers on debian sarge - like tomcat, jboss etc`
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`16:46.46`	`r3tex`	`that stinks`
`16:46.55`	`dorto`	`is there a 'one location' where i can find everything related to j2sej2ee?`
`16:47.00`	`dorto`	`for debian?`
`16:47.17`	`stew`	`is there anyone that can tell me the difference between these two perl regexs: ".{3}" and ".{3}?" ? I just don't understand how .{3} could be "greedy".`
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`16:49.06`	`Eliteforce`	`hi`
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`16:50.03`	`Eliteforce`	`i got a small problem, i lost my ssh connection while i was connected with my root account (aptitude was started while the connection was lost), if i try to do sth with apt now it says something like could not get lock`
`16:50.06`	`overflow`	`Hi, is there any problem (and a way to fix it) with gnome it Etch?`
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`16:50.15`	`overflow`	`or with GTK ?`
`16:50.24`	`stew`	`Eliteforce: kill the old aptitude process`
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`16:50.41`	`Eliteforce`	`ok`
`16:50.45`	`stew`	`overflow: /msg dpkg bts`
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`16:50.47`	`xoz`	`Eliteforce: killall aptitude`
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`16:50.53`	`streuner`	`overflow: /msg dpkg remove gnome ; /msg dpkg wm`
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`16:51.22`	`streuner`	`overflow: or look at BTS (/msg dpkg bts)`
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`16:52.28`	`EdibleText`	`stew, If I recall correctly the second example you have will ignore every thing else after the first match. my perl-fu is weak`
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`16:52.41`	`Eliteforce`	`and how can i get the latest gcc? apt-get install gcc installs gcc3.3`
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`16:53.02`	`carlinhos`	`because you are using sarge`
`16:53.09`	`dorto`	`latest gcc cannot be installed on stable version i think`
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`16:53.15`	`Eliteforce`	`ok np thx`
`16:53.17`	`dorto`	`you need etch`
`16:53.18`	`streuner`	`Eliteforce: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 \| tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 \| grep 500' say?`
`16:53.26`	`Eliteforce`	`streuner: lol`
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`16:54.16`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Question... I am using xmms and for some reason the playlist window is hella long... I can see the top on the window but I cant figure out a way to see the bottom of the window so I can shorten it`
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`16:54.29`	`streuner`	`Eliteforce: well, you could try stew's methode to determine the version you running actually ;-)`
`16:54.48`	`cahoot`	`TwistedEmotions: alt+mouse pointer - move`
`16:54.54`	`streuner`	`!which version of debian`
`16:54.54`	`dpkg`	`to determine what version of debian you are on, run this command: apt-cache policy\|awk '$1<2000{n=split($3,r,"/");if(n){print r[1];}}'\|sort -u\|tr "\n" ,;echo`
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`16:55.17`	`stew`	`!which version`
`16:55.17`	`dpkg`	`well, which version is to determine what version of debian you are getting packages from, run this command: apt-cache policy \| perl -n -e 'split(/ +/);print($_[3].",")if$_[1]>0'; echo`
`16:55.19`	`TwistedEmotions`	`cahoot: You ARE wise!`
`16:55.24`	`TwistedEmotions`	`cahoot: ty ;)`
`16:55.30`	`stew`	`i wish i could make that not so nasty`
`16:55.33`	`Eliteforce`	`seems like i miss some files for compiling psybnc: stdio.h, sys/types.h ... missing`
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`16:55.53`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: thank you, now it works. I misinterpreteted "no local mail" though it is quite clear`
`16:55.55`	`streuner`	`stew: no worries, cut and paste is not that HARD`
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`16:58.08`	`streuner`	`dpkg, be cutandpaste barbie is <reply> Cut & Paste is HARD !`
`16:58.08`	`dpkg`	`streuner: okay`
`16:58.23`	`Eliteforce`	`does somebody know which package to install for the files?`
`16:58.33`	`carlinhos`	`is teher some wiki about snd-usb-audio ?`
`16:58.37`	`carlinhos`	`*there`
`16:58.41`	`streuner`	`!b-e Eliteforce`
`16:58.42`	`dpkg`	`Eliteforce: Sounds like you need to install build-essential.`
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`17:04.14`	`baikonur`	`How do I configure exim4 to work with two smarthosts depending on the sender address?`
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`17:08.41`	`Eliteforce`	`either putty isnt configured right or my server is crappy slow :D it just 'hangs' sometimes after i excecute a command`
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`17:12.28`	`lonebaer`	`the sequence for creating a raid1 system? what is the order of partitioning/md configuration? created partitions on hda, raid device on hdb. then md to create raid. is this correct?`
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`17:13.37`	`dorto`	`can anyone point me to a resource to help me in installing jboss on debian sarge?`
`17:13.52`	`dorto`	`already googled`
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`17:17.04`	`Morphje`	`how is that terminal program called again ?`
`17:17.27`	`Morphje`	`for serial connections and such`
`17:17.38`	`abrotman`	`kermit? minicom ?`
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`17:17.42`	`Morphje`	`minicom`
`17:17.43`	`Morphje`	`:)`
`17:17.46`	`Morphje`	`that's it :)`
`17:17.50`	`Morphje`	`thanks`
`17:17.59`	`waffles`	`how can I check if my kernel supports FUSE filesystems, or what is the name of the module I would need to install (if I have it compiled as one)`
`17:18.07`	`Eliteforce`	`um how can i install ncurses?`
`17:18.09`	`smhar`	`I am trying to install mythtv on my debian testing but it asks for libqt3-mt which I didn't find.. can someone tell me where is this library`
`17:18.18`	`loxen`	`how can i get my dvdwriter to work with kernel 2.6?`
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`17:18.59`	`nkuttler`	`Eliteforce: to do what? there are many packages...`
`17:19.38`	`valdyn`	`loxen: nothing special, what's your issue?`
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`17:19.49`	`albo`	`why isnt my stderr redirection working with >> http://pastebin.com/391384`
`17:19.52`	`abrotman`	`libncurses5-dev should get him whatever he needs :)`
`17:20.01`	`Eliteforce`	`nkuttler: to use make menuconfig`
`17:20.04`	`valdyn`	`albo: why would >> redirect stderr?`
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`17:20.06`	`penguin`	`How do you mount a floppy using GNOME?`
`17:20.15`	`albo`	`valdyn: look at my pastebin genius`
`17:20.17`	`nkuttler`	`Eliteforce: /msg dpkg make menuconfig`
`17:20.18`	`loxen`	`valdyn: i used ide-sci with 2.4 before`
`17:20.20`	`abrotman`	`!kp`
`17:20.20`	`dpkg`	`from memory, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too)`
`17:20.35`	`waffles`	`Has anyone here been able to get the gmailfs deb packages to work? I'm trying to figure out if it's a user problem or a program problem`
`17:20.39`	`abrotman`	`loxen: afaik .. no ide-scsi with 2.6`
`17:20.45`	`albo`	`valdyn: oh nm /dev/stdout`
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`17:20.59`	`valdyn`	`loxen: just dont use ide-scsi`
`17:21.01`	`abrotman`	`penguin: right click and choose mount ?`
`17:21.09`	`loxen`	`abrotman: yeah, i havent that enabled either just ide-cd`
`17:21.13`	`lonebear`	`is there a place, then, for clear instructions on sarge raid1 install?`
`17:21.17`	`vom`	`anyone successfully gotten their sarge-prerelase system upgraded to the 'new' sarge (stable) ?`
`17:21.34`	`vom`	`i.e. to apt-get simple things my boxes want to upgrade e2fsprogs`
`17:21.36`	`vom`	`among other things`
`17:21.41`	`penguin`	`It says it cannot determine file system type`
`17:21.44`	`valdyn`	`loxen: that's all really, there is to do for 2.6 ( not using ide-scsi )..`
`17:21.44`	`albo`	`still, http://pastebin.com/391390 like this f is not growing`
`17:21.58`	`abrotman`	`penguin: well .. that may be true`
`17:22.21`	`penguin`	`It works on WIndows`
`17:22.23`	`loxen`	`valdyn: okay, so my setup with using just ide-cd should be ok ?`
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`17:23.02`	`valdyn`	`loxen: sure`
`17:23.20`	`loxen`	`valdyn: so, humm, there must be something else lurking around.. :/`
`17:23.30`	`abrotman`	`penguin: did oyu compile your own kernel ?`
`17:23.46`	`valdyn`	`loxen: please show your error, otherwise there isnt much we can do`
`17:23.57`	`loxen`	`valdyn: okay hang on , ill make another test`
`17:24.27`	`penguin`	`no`
`17:24.36`	`loxen`	`valdyn: anywhere i can paste the error msg?`
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`17:24.40`	`penguin`	`U need to compile in vfat support?`
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`17:25.21`	`abrotman`	`penguin: should already be there`
`17:25.23`	`penguin`	`I am using testing,`
`17:25.24`	`abrotman`	`!paste`
`17:25.24`	`dpkg`	`methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff.`
`17:25.53`	`stew`	`penguin: what does "uname -r" say?`
`17:26.07`	`takatumi`	`waffles: compile the fuse modules with module-assistant`
`17:26.38`	`penguin`	`It mounted with command as root mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt`
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`17:27.12`	`penguin`	`2.6.8-1-386`
`17:27.51`	`elirips`	`hello. the debian user-book tells me that there is a package kups to do kde-based-cups-admin, but i cannot find that package on sarge? somebody knows if it got replaced by something?`
`17:28.09`	`stew`	`penguin: does "lsmod \| grep vfat " give any results?`
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`17:28.19`	`albo`	`why isnt f growing: http://pastebin.com/391390 ?`
`17:28.20`	`Zitter`	`danilo@paperino:~$ apt-cache search whatever`
`17:28.20`	`Zitter`	`Segmentation fault`
`17:28.31`	`abrotman`	`albo: ask #bash`
`17:28.36`	`Zitter`	`does it can depend from FS (it's reiserfs) ?`
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`17:28.41`	`ScatterBrain`	`I've got a box that was installed as "testing" when Sarge was testing. Now I'm trying to do an apt-get dist-upgrade to make it an "Etch" testing box. But I'm getting this error:`
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`17:28.52`	`ScatterBrain`	`This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option.`
`17:28.53`	`ScatterBrain`	`E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs`
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`17:29.12`	`ScatterBrain`	`How should I proceed? setting --force-yes doesn't work.`
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`17:29.22`	`stew`	`ScatterBrain: you need to upgrade fully to sarge before you upgrade to etch`
`17:29.24`	`loxen`	`valdyn: pasted error info #flood`
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`17:29.30`	`asg`	`!loopbreak`
`17:29.31`	`dpkg`	`'apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade'. Fix suggested by xk. Then you can remove or purge outdated packages after the upgrade.`
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`17:29.39`	`Zitter`	`is it normal that apt-cache gets segmentation fault?`
`17:29.43`	`asg`	`no`
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`17:29.59`	`penguin`	`Should I file a bug report?`
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`17:30.11`	`Zitter`	`asg, is it possible it depends from reiserfs?`
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`17:30.48`	`asg`	`Zitter: well, it looks in a file so the answer is perhaps. use strace to find where it is segfaulting`
`17:31.43`	`ScatterBrain`	`asg: Thanks - it seems to be working now.`
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`17:33.14`	`penguin`	`Should I file bug report on gnome not mounting floppy?`
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`17:33.22`	`jeanmi`	`bonsoir`
`17:33.29`	`abrotman`	`penguin: it doesn't sound like a gnome issue .. can oyu mount it via command line`
`17:33.29`	`abrotman`	`?`
`17:33.33`	`abrotman`	`!fr`
`17:33.33`	`dpkg`	`Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr`
`17:33.38`	`penguin`	`I mounted it as root`
`17:33.48`	`jeanmi`	`thank you`
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`17:34.01`	`penguin`	`via command line`
`17:34.19`	`penguin`	`Do you need to be root to mount floppy?`
`17:34.30`	`abrotman`	`depends on your fstab`
`17:34.39`	`penguin`	`I am straight default`
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`17:34.42`	`waffles`	`damn, it looks like libgmail for python is fubard :\`
`17:34.46`	`stew`	`penguin: man fstab, search for user`
`17:34.47`	`penguin`	`But that is not the error message.`
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`17:35.03`	`stew`	`penguin: by default you need to be root to mount thinks`
`17:35.13`	`penguin`	`Error message says it cannot determine file type.`
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`17:35.27`	`stew`	`waffles: did you check the bts?`
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`17:36.13`	`waffles`	`stew: er, actually, i just got it to work. I had to delete the libs installed from the debian package to get the updated ones from sourceforge to work.`
`17:36.29`	`abrotman`	`penguin: so at the CLI .. if you type mount /floppy (orwhereeveryourmountpointis) .. you get the same error ?`
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`17:36.45`	`stew`	`waffles: if there are bugs that you know about in the debian packages which haven't yet been reported, please report them`
`17:36.52`	`penguin`	`CLI?`
`17:36.58`	`EdibleText`	`heh`
`17:37.04`	`WillR`	`(abrotman): jabber workded nicely.. with exodus and psi.. thanks!`
`17:37.15`	`abrotman`	`WillR: yay !`
`17:37.15`	`penguin`	`mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt worked as root`
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`17:37.25`	`abrotman`	`penguin: and mount -t auto ?`
`17:37.26`	`waffles`	`stew: it doesn't look like a bug as much as a horrendously out of date library`
`17:37.33`	`penguin`	`as root?`
`17:37.37`	`abrotman`	`penguin: sure ..`
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`17:37.50`	`penguin`	`Just mount -t auto`
`17:37.51`	`karl`	`Does anyone know how to get twinhan dvb working on sarge or where to get 2.6.10 kernel`
`17:37.52`	`stew`	`waffles: file a wishlist bug titled "new upstream version available"`
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`17:38.03`	`abrotman`	`penguin: well . the rest of it too :)`
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`17:38.15`	`waffles`	`stew: unstable version is 0.0.8, current version is 0.1.3.3`
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`17:38.27`	`penguin`	`umount /mnt`
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`17:38.32`	`penguin`	`whoops`
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`17:38.35`	`phar0z`	`hi`
`17:38.40`	`waffles`	`and... 0.0.8 was released over a year ago. yikes`
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`17:39.01`	`lopuz`	`how do i enable irda in debian?`
`17:39.30`	`abrotman`	`!irda`
`17:39.30`	`dpkg`	`irda is, like, (InfraRed Data Association) These people developed the IRDA port standard that transfers data through the use of infrared light. Of course, you must have two IRDA devices to get any real use out of this technology. Most notebooks today come standard with this port and some printers do as well. It's handy if you road warriors want to print a document and you've got all the right stuff.`
`17:39.37`	`abrotman`	`useless`
`17:39.43`	`abrotman`	`lopuz: should be docs for that ...`
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`17:40.07`	`penguin`	`mount -t auto does not work`
`17:40.11`	`waffles`	`stew: ah, it's already been reported, 37 days and 6 versions ago`
`17:40.13`	`abrotman`	`penguin: same error ?`
`17:40.23`	`penguin`	`must specify file type`
`17:40.27`	`abrotman`	`lopuz: check the irda-utils package`
`17:40.30`	`abrotman`	`penguin: really?`
`17:40.37`	`abrotman`	`penguin: what did you do to your poor mount ?`
`17:40.38`	`stew`	`waffles: cool, thanks for checking`
`17:40.41`	`penguin`	`mount: you must specify the filesystem type`
`17:40.57`	`abrotman`	`penguin: got another floppy handy you could try ?`
`17:41.04`	`waffles`	`should i report it again? it looks like nobody is maintaining this package`
`17:41.22`	`stew`	`waffles: what is the package name?`
`17:41.26`	`penguin`	`OK but not sure what is on it`
`17:41.28`	`waffles`	`python-libgmail`
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`17:41.30`	`stew`	`waffles: reporting it again wont help`
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`17:41.59`	`penguin`	`Same error but not sure about thhis floppy`
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`17:42.11`	`abrotman`	`penguin: but you can mount it vfat ?`
`17:42.16`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: there?`
`17:42.24`	`Tarti`	`hi folks`
`17:42.26`	`abrotman`	`penguin: which version of debian and which kernel ?`
`17:42.35`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: what's up?`
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`17:42.43`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: feeling bubbly?`
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`17:43.16`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: lil tied up, in half hour or so should be good.`
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`17:43.35`	`eeyore-`	`lopus: laptop or desktop?`
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`17:43.40`	`eeyore-`	`lopuz: ^^^`
`17:43.41`	`Tarti`	`I cannot get into network-admin program, even as root. Program says that my password is invalid... Can anyone help me? :)`
`17:43.49`	`penguin`	`Testing 2.6.8-1-386`
`17:44.02`	`penguin`	`DId the same thing with fresh floppy`
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`17:44.28`	`xelam`	`Tarti: what "network-admin" program?`
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`17:44.55`	`Tarti`	`Its the network-wizzard in the system tools tab`
`17:45.00`	`Tarti`	`xelam`
`17:45.07`	`Tarti`	`worked fine`
`17:45.11`	`penguin`	`Should I file bug report?`
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`17:45.22`	`xelam`	`system tools tab?`
`17:45.22`	`abrotman`	`penguin: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=mount .. see anything similar?`
`17:45.24`	`xelam`	`of what?`
`17:45.34`	`Tarti`	`I dont know how its called`
`17:45.43`	`Tarti`	`can also be executed as network-admin`
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`17:46.17`	`stew`	`!find bin/network-admin`
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`17:46.24`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'bin/network-admin' (1): (/usr/bin/network-admin) in gnome/gnome-system-tools.`
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`17:46.58`	`Tarti`	`I dont know why I cannot use it anymore, even if I'm root`
`17:47.08`	`penguin`	`Thats alot of bugs to look through`
`17:47.44`	`stew`	`penguin: you should probably update to a current kernel before you go reporting any bugs`
`17:47.46`	`abrotman`	`penguin: well .. your other option is to just file a bug .. and then it may get merged`
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`17:48.30`	`abrotman`	`stew: and yes .. stew is right .. you should install 2.6.12-1-386 (or something better suited for your CPU)`
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`17:49.01`	`Tarti`	`so, noone knows how to handle this network-admin?`
`17:49.11`	`whitehorse1`	`I think my bug got ignored (inst report). That said, I also think I was partly nay almost wholly to blame given the attachment length of 600k of sysinfo text.`
`17:49.16`	`ScHiZO`	`Hi.....there's an italian here? :D`
`17:49.26`	`fbi`	`!it`
`17:49.27`	`dpkg`	`per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it`
`17:49.34`	`ScHiZO`	`tnx`
`17:49.42`	`stew`	`prgo`
`17:49.55`	`fbi`	`dpkg: you're a sexy mofo`
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`17:50.02`	`fbi`	`awww`
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`17:50.18`	`Tarti`	`ok, thanks anyway`
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`17:50.22`	`Tarti`	`:)`
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`17:51.13`	`whitehorse1`	`Perhaps I should do a straw poll on the bug, over who thinks I should be slapped into next Tuesday for emailing the thang`
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`17:51.25`	`abrotman`	`and inst report?`
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`17:51.32`	`abrotman`	`they just catalog them afaik ..`
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`17:52.29`	`abrotman`	`whitehorse1: what is your bug number?`
`17:52.59`	`penguin`	`How come I dont have a current kernel?`
`17:53.26`	`penguin`	`apt-get upgrade doesnt upgrade the kernel?`
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`17:53.53`	`caphuso`	`penguin: hopefully not`
`17:53.57`	`abrotman`	`penguin: because you didn't install the metapackage probably`
`17:54.09`	`penguin`	`metapackage????`
`17:54.17`	`abrotman`	`penguin: also .. current udev retardedness makes that undesirable`
`17:54.20`	`whitehorse1`	`abrotman #332867`
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`17:54.39`	`penguin`	`So you have to upgrade kernel by hand?`
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`17:55.15`	`penguin`	`udev?`
`17:55.33`	`abrotman`	`whitehorse1: i'd smack you for that too :)`
`17:55.39`	`abrotman`	`penguin: you may not be running udev`
`17:55.47`	`abrotman`	`penguin: dpkg -l udev .. to see`
`17:56.01`	`abrotman`	`penguin: and what's your CPU ?`
`17:56.07`	`netstop`	`is there any documentation to initialise for debian`
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`17:56.46`	`abrotman`	`initialize what about debian ?`
`17:56.53`	`stew`	`penguin: new kernel versions are new packages, not new versions of old packages. apt-get wouldn't replace your kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 with a linux-image-2.6.12-1-386, if a newer version of kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 came out, you would be upgraded (but that's not going to happen becuase kenrel-image-2.6.8-1 has been removed`
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`17:57.43`	`netstop`	`i'm beginner for using debian`
`17:57.45`	`abrotman`	`stew: but upgrading say .. 2.6-386 should have grabbed that`
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`17:57.50`	`waffles`	`is there any way to get fuse support in the debian compiled kernels, or am i stuck with having to compile my own?`
`17:57.53`	`netstop`	`& i know nothing about`
`17:57.54`	`abrotman`	`netstop: and what exactly are you trying to do ?`
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`17:58.05`	`abrotman`	`!newbie guide`
`17:58.05`	`valdyn`	`waffles: apt-cache search fuse`
`17:58.08`	`abrotman`	`hrm ...`
`17:58.22`	`abrotman`	`!newbie_guide`
`17:58.23`	`dpkg`	`i heard newbie_guide is at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 , http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/ , http://www.aboutdebian.com/`
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`17:58.55`	`waffles`	`valdyn: that really doesn't answer the question, as fuse is a kernel module`
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`17:59.11`	`takatumi`	`waffles: m-a a-i fuse-source should do it.`
`17:59.15`	`valdyn`	`waffles: ...that is not in stock debian kernels`
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`17:59.42`	`abrotman`	`whitehorse1: there's a reason a lot fo the stuff you quoted works the way it does`
`17:59.48`	`Zap-W`	`hello #lesbian`
`17:59.52`	`Zap-W`	`i mean debian`
`17:59.59`	`asg`	`!lesbian`
`17:59.59`	`dpkg`	`well, lesbian is probably a variation of debian http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/`
`18:00.02`	`asg`	`Zap-W: ^^^`
`18:00.23`	`waffles`	`takatumi: ah, i will try that. I'm not familair with module assistant at all`
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`18:01.38`	`weezer`	`holas`
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`18:02.10`	`weezer`	`alguien podria ayudarme con el wine?`
`18:02.23`	`stew`	`!es`
`18:02.23`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`18:03.04`	`Zap-W`	`hah`
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`18:03.26`	`Zap-W`	`�� `
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`18:03.36`	`waffles`	`okay, i think i've come to the conclusion that gmailfs no longer works, even fresh from the most recent versions from the developers`
`18:04.42`	`Zap-W`	`why is debian-il empty`
`18:05.06`	`caphuso`	`Zap-W: because nobody is in it`
`18:05.42`	`fbi`	`what the heck is #debian-il anyway`
`18:05.47`	`fbi`	`debian users ni illinois?`
`18:05.48`	`waffles`	`nm, it does work, it is just very tempremental and glitchy. thanks for the help though, stew and takatumi`
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`18:05.51`	`streuner`	`israel`
`18:05.51`	`fbi`	`s/ni/in/`
`18:05.54`	`fbi`	`oh`
`18:05.55`	`caphuso`	`fbi: .il is israel`
`18:06.00`	`fbi`	`hehe`
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`18:06.13`	`Zap-W`	`debian-he`
`18:06.14`	`Zap-W`	`hebrew`
`18:06.48`	`stew`	`!il`
`18:06.48`	`dpkg`	`il was Israel, the home of (among others) Zap-W, shimon\|sevenseventy and hackeron, all notable wankers`
`18:07.46`	`fbi`	`haha`
`18:07.50`	`Zap-W`	`er`
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`18:07.54`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`18:07.57`	`hackeron`	`:(`
`18:07.59`	`Zap-W`	`!Zap-W`
`18:07.59`	`abrotman`	`!kick stew`
`18:08.05`	`Zap-W`	`dpkg: Zap-W?`
`18:08.07`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, zap-w is the official #debian moron`
`18:08.11`	`dpkg`	`you are probably the official #debian moron`
`18:08.11`	`Zap-W`	`dpkg: forget Zap-W`
`18:08.13`	`dpkg`	`Zap-W: cannot alter locked factoids`
`18:08.17`	`fbi`	`haaaaha`
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`18:08.23`	`dondelelcaro`	`dpkg: unlock Zap-W`
`18:08.24`	`dpkg`	`dondelelcaro: unlocking factoid zap-w`
`18:08.28`	`dondelelcaro`	`dpkg: forget Zap-W`
`18:08.28`	`dpkg`	`dondelelcaro: i forgot zap-w`
`18:08.36`	`hackeron`	`dpkg: forget hackeron`
`18:08.36`	`dpkg`	`i forgot hackeron, hackeron`
`18:08.45`	`Zap-W`	`dpkg: Zap-W is #Debian God`
`18:08.45`	`dpkg`	`okay, Zap-W`
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`18:08.52`	`abrotman`	`!forget zap-w`
`18:08.52`	`dpkg`	`i forgot zap-w, abrotman`
`18:08.55`	`dondelelcaro`	`Zap-W: use /msg please.`
`18:09.10`	`streuner`	`Zap-W: /lock Zap-W`
`18:09.15`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: i was going to ask you about cleaning up old factoids .. any point .. or just leave them be?`
`18:09.23`	`whitehorse1`	`abrotman g was it really that bad`
`18:09.34`	`asuffield`	`dpkg: factstats`
`18:09.38`	`abrotman`	`whitehorse1: Stephen King has written shorter books`
`18:09.44`	`abrotman`	`!stats`
`18:09.44`	`asuffield`	`oh, bah, somebody changed it`
`18:09.46`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: if they're wrong, but useful, fix them. If they're wrong and not useful, nuke them.`
`18:09.58`	`asuffield`	`anyway, there's like 20000 factoids`
`18:10.01`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: not so much wrong as .. antiquated`
`18:10.04`	`asuffield`	`how much cleaning up were you planning to do?`
`18:10.10`	`streuner`	`Zap-W: sorry, /msg lock Zap-W , of course`
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`18:10.16`	`streuner`	`Zap-W: sorry, /msg dpkg lock Zap-W , of course`
`18:10.25`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: things that would apply to woody before its release`
`18:10.31`	`abrotman`	`or sarge during testing`
`18:10.43`	`abrotman`	`asuffield: just old stuff`
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`18:11.03`	`Zap-W`	`dpkg isn't responding`
`18:11.05`	`whitehorse1`	`abrotman I partly agree. It's a matter of verbosity on my part and also not knowing what system info is relevant and what sysinfo is not even close to being relevant - at my level of experience I mean`
`18:11.08`	`Zap-W`	`oh`
`18:11.17`	`xiaogil`	`i have deleted ~/.evolution drawer, but when i open Evolution, the configuration about account is still there, where is this configuration stored ?`
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`18:11.32`	`asuffield`	`in the registry`
`18:11.46`	`abrotman`	`asuffield: such as 'woody debconf'`
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`18:12.13`	`abrotman`	`or 'woody users'`
`18:13.07`	`goog`	`Where do I put a link to a file I want to run as soon as the filesystems are mounted and the command "/bin/mv" is available? Also, where do I put a link to a file I want to run as soon as any kind of shutdown or reboot is initiated?`
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`18:14.13`	`dondelelcaro`	`abrotman: historical factoids like that should stay around`
`18:14.20`	`yuacht`	`what does a "server caught signal 11" and error 104 in xorg mean?`
`18:14.21`	`dondelelcaro`	`it's not like the extra storage space hurts any`
`18:14.37`	`whitehorse1`	`Recommendation for Debian books... There're a bunch listed on debian.org from the sidepanel. Anyone here had a copy (personally) of some and would recommend one over another?`
`18:14.47`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: okeedokee ...`
`18:14.59`	`EdibleText`	`goog, you could put the script in /etc/init.d/ and mke links to what ever runlevels you want via 'update-rc.d'`
`18:15.01`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: it was mostly random stuff that comes out of cookie that i had noticed`
`18:15.03`	`Zap-W`	`yuacht: try google`
`18:15.23`	`dondelelcaro`	`ah; yeah, cookie is basically completely uselless`
`18:15.33`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: it's entertaining sometimes :)`
`18:15.33`	`streuner`	`yuacht: what videocard do you have?`
`18:15.44`	`whitehorse1`	`I could read amazon reviews but personal experiences are nicer. amazon's got a lot've publisher-submitted reviews I always think`
`18:15.55`	`yuacht`	`Zap-W: hard to google without X :[`
`18:16.04`	`yuacht`	`streuner: nvidia but i tried both nvidia module and nv`
`18:16.04`	`whitehorse1`	`lynx :p`
`18:16.06`	`goog`	`EdibleText: what runlevel is the first one entered at boot time, then? I just need access to the root file system and the command /bin/mv`
`18:16.06`	`yuacht`	`nothing worked`
`18:16.07`	`abrotman`	`whitehorse1: there are a few new ones`
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`18:16.10`	`takatumi`	`whitehorse1: tried debian-reference?`
`18:16.16`	`streuner`	`yuacht: /msg dpkg nivida one liner`
`18:16.19`	`xiaogil`	`There's a configuration file for Evolution which is independant from the .evolution drawer, and that contains informations about the accounts, where is this file ? Someone can answer ?`
`18:16.30`	`streuner`	`yuacht: besides, lynx or links would work`
`18:16.49`	`abrotman`	`xiaogil: how about ~/evolution ?`
`18:16.58`	`resiak`	`xiaogil: Somewhere in gconf, probably.`
`18:17.13`	`Zugschlus`	`baikonur: you don't. at least not automatically. There is no general solution for that in th Debian packages at the moment`
`18:17.15`	`pumpkin0`	`goog: try /etc/rcS.d/S37YourFileName`
`18:18.00`	`whitehorse1`	`takatumi Yep I have it installed and will certainly submit patchces/additions as my experience level grows. It's good. I was more looking for a non helpfile/ebook i.e. paper book as an additional rather than alternative to the manuals online/on my pc. bedtime reading, train reading, etc`
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`18:18.13`	`Atula`	`I have two computers and 1 set of speakers... I was wondering... is there a way to have like a kvm for the audio so that I can listen to music from both?`
`18:18.28`	`pumpkin0`	`yuacht: what about vesa-driver (to reach google...)`
`18:18.32`	`xiaogil`	`resiak: you look to be right...`
`18:18.45`	`EdibleText`	`Atula, mini-phone 'y' jack perhaps`
`18:18.47`	`yuacht`	`streuner: i've tried several drivers including vesa/nv/nvidia all produced the same error`
`18:18.51`	`whitehorse1`	`Mmm I'll probably look online for reviews`
`18:19.00`	`EdibleText`	`Atula, miniphono that is`
`18:19.16`	`streuner`	`yuacht: well, did you try nvidia one liner yet?`
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`18:19.38`	`Mxyzpltk`	`Atula: that would be a regular audio mixer, you can get several kinds from low end to very high end at your local audio store, or a preamp with a few inputs, etc... ask the clerck and he'll tell you your options`
`18:19.50`	`streuner`	`yuacht: what does 'lspci -v \| grep VGA' say?`
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`18:19.53`	`pumpkin0`	`yuacht: anything in /var/log/xorg.0.log ?`
`18:19.59`	`darkness1`	`Can i read the kernel code in debian without messing up anything?`
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`18:20.02`	`p3rti`	`hi`
`18:20.05`	`streuner`	`yuacht: /msg dpkg paster`
`18:20.19`	`streuner`	`yuacht: and show us the error in the log file`
`18:20.22`	`EdibleText`	`Atula, better yet get yerself an reciever with a handsome patchbay on the back`
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`18:20.42`	`p3rti`	`ihave the a problem when i want to compile a file /usr/bin/ld: no se puede encontrar -ltiff`
`18:20.47`	`dondelelcaro`	`it's not like you have to use camelcase with moinmoin`
`18:20.59`	`goog`	`pumpkin0: ah. nice. can you help me with the shutdown one too? (to be run as soon as a reboot or shutdown is ordered)`
`18:21.00`	`yuacht`	`streuner: will do, and lspci detects an unknown nvidia device`
`18:21.07`	`streuner`	`oh`
`18:21.07`	`dondelelcaro`	`or StUdLyCaSe as it were`
`18:21.16`	`streuner`	`yuacht: laptop?`
`18:21.21`	`p3rti`	`somebody know why...`
`18:21.23`	`pumpkin0`	`darness1: apt-get install kernel-source-X.Y.Z`
`18:21.23`	`p3rti`	`/usr/bin/ld: no se puede encontrar -ltiff`
`18:21.28`	`yuacht`	`streuner: stationary`
`18:21.47`	`p3rti`	`i have installed libtiff4_3.7.3-1_i386.deb`
`18:22.12`	`p3rti`	`what i have to put on /etc/ld.so.conf`
`18:22.12`	`whitehorse1`	`dondelelcaro Ah, perhaps. :) Though the wiki is nevertheless full OF camelcase. Barring external non-wiki hyperlinks.`
`18:22.13`	`Mxyzpltk`	`p3rti: you need the -dev counterpart of that`
`18:22.14`	`streuner`	`yuacht: PCI-e card?`
`18:22.25`	`p3rti`	`oh thanks..`
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`18:22.34`	`pumpkin0`	`goog: tricky... it should be /etc/rc0.d/S01XYZ and /etc/rc6.d/S01XYZ`
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`18:22.47`	`yuacht`	`streuner: nope, AGP`
`18:22.55`	`Atula`	`I used shoutcast for winamp in windows to broadcast some music... I was wondering... is there anything like that for xmms?`
`18:23.00`	`dondelelcaro`	`whitehorse1: shrug; studlycase is a typical thing for wikis.`
`18:23.28`	`goog`	`pumpkin0: cheers! I'll try that :D`
`18:23.33`	`yuacht`	`streuner: can't use paster, atleast not in any way i know, on??ly in termina??l mode`
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`18:23.47`	`streuner`	`yuacht: true, /j #flood`
`18:24.00`	`whitehorse1`	`dondelelcaro Agreed, you're right. Just about all the other wiki engines (& I could list a few) use it. I still think ew when I see it though ;) mediawiki may be faulted on lots've levels but it's spoiled me in that regard @ least`
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`18:24.45`	`dondelelcaro`	`whitehorse1: that's just a function of the authors of the pages, only the lamest wikis don't support non-studlycase links.`
`18:24.48`	`yuacht`	`streuner: ok, you know of a way to paste the logfile to irssi(#flood)`
`18:25.03`	`dondelelcaro`	`yuacht: /exec -out cat foolog`
`18:25.18`	`dondelelcaro`	`yuacht: or easier, use the paster bot`
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`18:25.57`	`yuacht`	`dondelelcaro: x doesn't work`
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`18:26.21`	`dondelelcaro`	`yuacht: then use the command that I gave you...`
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`18:26.48`	`streuner`	`yuacht: #ubuntu`
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`18:27.15`	`outlaw84`	`how do I set it so that root can connect to my other users X-session?`
`18:27.42`	`dondelelcaro`	`outlaw84: sux or set your XAUTHORITY correctly.`
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`18:27.58`	`yuacht`	`streuner: yeah, i've tried that, didn't get lucky so i tried here`
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`18:28.12`	`streuner`	`!they don't know`
`18:28.12`	`dpkg`	`Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.`
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`18:28.33`	`outlaw84`	`dondelelcaro: how do I set my XAUTHORITY ? and to what?`
`18:28.39`	`yuacht`	`ok sorry, didn't mean to bother`
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`18:29.03`	`streuner`	`yuacht: just install debian`
`18:29.26`	`whitehorse1`	`streuner because that'll be easier ;)`
`18:29.32`	`yuacht`	`i like ubuntu =[`
`18:29.34`	`yuacht`	`well`
`18:29.40`	`yuacht`	`im gonna leave you guys alone`
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`18:30.24`	`Anthro`	`Anyone know how to get the MAC address of a cable modem that's on the other side of a LinkSys router? I am ssh'd in to a machine inside the router's NAT.`
`18:30.26`	`outlaw84`	`dondelelcaro: thanks for sux... I first guess you where just teasing me :)`
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`18:31.15`	`pumpkin0`	`Anthro: ping the moden, then run "arp"`
`18:31.26`	`dondelelcaro`	`outlaw84: you can set your X authority to the same value as the user who is actually running X, ala export XAUTHORITY="/home/userrunningx/.Xauthority"`
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`18:31.37`	`dondelelcaro`	`outlaw84: but sux is probably easier for you`
`18:31.50`	`Anthro`	`pumpkin0: how do I ping the modem through the router?`
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`18:32.14`	`pumpkin0`	`Anthro: oh... sorry.`
`18:32.35`	`outlaw84`	`dondelelcaro: I understand them now... Thanks again`
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`18:32.56`	`[sr]`	`hi`
`18:33.12`	`[sr]`	`anyone had problem configuring postfix smtp auth with sasl ?`
`18:33.16`	`[sr]`	`with the debian packages?`
`18:33.35`	`streuner`	`[sr]: google for SMTP HOWTO`
`18:33.50`	`streuner`	`[sr]: version 1 or 2?`
`18:33.55`	`[sr]`	`2`
`18:33.59`	`outlaw84`	`dondelelcaro: what file should I add that to for the root user?`
`18:33.59`	`[sr]`	`i have all configured`
`18:34.07`	`goog`	`!tell [sr] about ask`
`18:34.12`	`[sr]`	`but there's something that i'm not understanging`
`18:34.13`	`streuner`	`[sr]: look for workaround.org or such`
`18:34.19`	`scx`	`someone u knows what pdflush is ?`
`18:34.27`	`asg`	`scx: kernel process`
`18:34.32`	`goog`	`!pdflush`
`18:34.35`	`goog`	`:(`
`18:34.47`	`scx`	`asg: ohhh`
`18:34.56`	`streuner`	`http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/`
`18:35.04`	`scx`	`thanks`
`18:35.10`	`pumpkin0`	`scx: did you try to kill it ?`
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`18:35.23`	`scx`	`pumpkin0: nop`
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`18:35.33`	`pumpkin0`	`scx: good.`
`18:35.35`	`asg`	`scx: in ps, things in [] are kernel related things`
`18:35.40`	`[sr]`	`streuner nothing there`
`18:35.43`	`scx`	`pumpkin0: but almost, it suddently sucks lots of CPU`
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`18:36.52`	`scx`	`I guess what would happen if I kill it ?`
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`18:37.23`	`pumpkin0`	`scx: it tries to manage your free RAM. If you kill say goodbye to memory-meagment.`
`18:37.35`	`XTF`	`Hi. Tomorrow my server became half-dead after I did apt-get update && upgrade. I'm running testing. Is there a way to find out why it did that?`
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`18:37.46`	`scx`	`pumpkin0: ohhh`
`18:38.26`	`asg`	`XTF: the bts might know`
`18:38.27`	`pumpkin0`	`scx: what are you running ?`
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`18:38.40`	`pumpkin0`	`scx: what is causing the load ..`
`18:38.40`	`pierre`	`Hi everyone, i got an issue on one of my servers... i compiled a kernel on an other machine and have put it on the server... i install the kernel deb and reboot. The problem is at boot i get a kernel panic with a cramfs wrong magic message... so i reboot to boot on my old kernel but i get the same problem with the old one ! anyone may help me please ?`
`18:38.49`	`scx`	`in this moment Sarge`
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`18:39.21`	`ircops`	`how do you remove a package from apt's list of "broken packages?"`
`18:39.21`	`weezer`	`hola`
`18:39.27`	`pumpkin0`	`scx: what are the top 5 processes in top ?`
`18:39.27`	`XTF`	`asg: The BTS for all packages updated?`
`18:39.39`	`scx`	`pumpkin0: I dunno, it sucks CPU for about 1 minute every 2 hrs aprox.`
`18:39.55`	`weezer`	`alguien podria ayudarme con gnome?`
`18:39.55`	`asg`	`XTF: that's a good start. If you suspect a certain package, try that first.`
`18:40.01`	`asg`	`!es`
`18:40.01`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`18:40.03`	`asg`	`weezer: ^^^^`
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`18:40.24`	`scx`	`pumpkin0: mlnet kaffeine x ksmserver init`
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`18:40.52`	`pumpkin0`	`scx: That's OK and normal. it has to do some background work to keep the RAM nice and clean. Don't worry about it.`
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`18:41.08`	`scx`	`pumpkin0: but in this moment it is not sucking CPU, when so... I got 3 procesess in top: pdflush`
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`18:41.25`	`flora`	`can anyone make a suggestion, i think this should be pretty easy. I have my web server all config'd and running just the way we want it on a test machine. Now we want to move it over to the real server. What is the best/easiest way to move the entire install over to a new machine?`
`18:41.28`	`scx`	`pumpkin0: ok :)`
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`18:41.45`	`EdibleText`	`pierre, boot with a kernel from an install disk. there are typically instrucions to use the disk for 'rescue'. you need to remember what your root partition is.`
`18:42.07`	`pierre`	`EdibleText yes but then ? what has to be fixed ?`
`18:42.15`	`MrXerox`	`Hey guys, Im trying to run a "apt-get build-dep libxine1" and getting a "E: Build-dependencies for libxine1 could not be satisfied." Any way to find out what dependencies I need?`
`18:42.31`	`EdibleText`	`pierre, you need to load a non borked kernel`
`18:42.39`	`pierre`	`the kernel i was using before won't allow me to boot so...`
`18:42.40`	`scx`	`pumpkin0: maybe mlnet is the guilty ;)`
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`18:42.57`	`EdibleText`	`pierre, or besure you have support for your current kernel setup`
`18:43.02`	`goog`	`If I happen to remove the /var/mail/goog file, will it be remade when there's mail for me?`
`18:43.07`	`pierre`	`ok but i guess something must be broken`
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`18:43.16`	`EdibleText`	`pierre, most likely`
`18:43.27`	`pierre`	`yup, so what ?`
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`18:43.44`	`weezer`	`hola a todos`
`18:43.45`	`WoodLinux`	`hi`
`18:43.53`	`pierre`	`:/`
`18:44.03`	`pumpkin0`	`scx: The more filesystem-work you to the more pdflush has to work.`
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`18:44.26`	`scx`	`weezer: hola`
`18:44.48`	`XTF`	`asg: I can't find any related bug in the BTS.`
`18:44.58`	`scx`	`* scx has LOTS of things working :s`
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`18:45.34`	`asg`	`XTF: well, then what specific issue are you having?`
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`18:46.16`	`pierre`	`EdibleText the message i get is : VFS can't find ext3 filesystem on rd/c0d0p1 and then, cramfs: wrong magic`
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`18:46.53`	`XTF`	`asg: Basically, ping still worked but every other service didn't. I checked with a network sniffer and the TCP handshake got accepted but after that no ACKs were send.`
`18:47.00`	`weezer`	`soy novissimo en linux i me gustaria poner algun fondo en el escritorio, donde puedo descargarlo?`
`18:47.16`	`XTF`	`asg: Just a reboot appears to have solved the issue (but took five hours).`
`18:47.17`	`pierre`	`whois weezer`
`18:47.18`	`asg`	`XTF: eek. Was a kernel part of the upgrade?`
`18:47.20`	`pierre`	`ops`
`18:47.24`	`XTF`	`asg: No.`
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`18:47.27`	`asg`	`pierre: that shitty band`
`18:47.29`	`MrXerox`	`ok, we got the word "linux" lol`
`18:47.40`	`XTF`	`asg: I'm not absolutely sure it was caused by the upgrade of course.`
`18:47.52`	`asg`	`XTF: true. Anything interesting in your logs?`
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`18:47.54`	`goog`	`Oops! Could someone tell me the default user, group and permissions on /var/log, please?`
`18:48.07`	`asg`	`goog: drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 Oct 12 07:21 /var/log`
`18:48.09`	`XTF`	`asg: I didn't notice anything. Any specific logs I should check?`
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`18:48.19`	`goog`	`asg: thanks`
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`18:48.35`	`asg`	`goog: to help in future, /msg dpkg i frobbed my perms with chmod`
`18:48.45`	`netstop`	`thkx abtroman for help that was very helpfull links`
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`18:49.15`	`adz`	`hi ive just installed a wlan card and need to modprobe ndiswrapper at boot so it works on startup any ideas where to put it?`
`18:49.33`	`asg`	`adz: /etc/modules`
`18:49.33`	`mETz`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`18:49.44`	`pierre`	`fixed it :)`
`18:49.44`	`goog`	`asg: ah. i could use such a cronjob :)`
`18:49.52`	`pierre`	`grub misconfiguration`
`18:49.52`	`pierre`	`:P`
`18:49.57`	`adz`	`thx`
`18:49.57`	`pierre`	`thanks guys`
`18:50.05`	`MrXerox`	`Hey guys, Im trying to run a "apt-get build-dep libxine1" and getting a "E: Build-dependencies for libxine1 could not be satisfied." Any way to find out what dependencies I need?`
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`18:50.32`	`mETz`	`x11-common-6.8.2.dfsg.1-8 won't install, somebody obviously forgot the - in front of eq in preinstall script :(`
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`18:50.55`	`mETz`	`MrXerox: aptitude is the easiest thing to find out`
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`18:51.11`	`MrXerox`	`Im kinda a n00b, plz explain`
`18:51.15`	`flora`	`can anyone make a suggestion, i think this should be pretty easy. I have my web server all config'd and running just the way we want it on a test machine. Now we want to move it over to the real server. What is the best/easiest way to move the entire install over to a new machine?`
`18:51.48`	`mETz`	`MrXerox: it's another frontend to apt-get`
`18:51.52`	`asg`	`flora: it depends on what, besides apache, you are using (mod perl, php, etc.)`
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`18:52.17`	`mETz`	`how can I force installing an older x11-common?`
`18:52.27`	`mETz`	`i.e. an older revision (not version)`
`18:52.34`	`WoodLinux`	`it exists some to player as the "Merora" for Linux?`
`18:52.45`	`asg`	`mETz: previous packages are at snapshot.debian.net`
`18:52.46`	`flora`	`asg: we're using apache, mysql, pear4-php, gd, and a few other packages.`
`18:53.06`	`asg`	`flora: make sure the packages on the machines are the same, copy your content and apache configs over. That should do it.`
`18:53.33`	`flora`	`asg: ok, can do. so i don't want to image the disk and copy everything over?`
`18:53.38`	`mETz`	`asg: well, I can't simply dpkg --install things in this case`
`18:53.43`	`asg`	`flora: not unless you wnat to.`
`18:54.01`	`asg`	`mETz: no, just download the previous deb from snapshot and dpkg -i it`
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`18:54.02`	`flora`	`asg: i'm not experienced enough to know if thats a bad thing, or even possible :)`
`18:54.15`	`asg`	`flora: not bad, possible, but overkill.`
`18:54.24`	`mETz`	`asg: doesn't work, conflicts with another xorg package`
`18:54.33`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: so I'm looking for something like this http://www.tgunkel.de/docs/exim_smarthosts.en but for the Debian configuration scheme`
`18:54.37`	`asg`	`mETz: what are you trying to do again?`
`18:54.45`	`asg`	`and what version of Debian are you running`
`18:54.51`	`mETz`	`asg: mainly I'm trying to switch back from unofficial xorg packages to the official ones`
`18:54.54`	`mETz`	`asg: unstable`
`18:55.13`	`asg`	`mETz: then just delete anything xorgish and install the official ones once that's done.`
`18:55.28`	`asg`	`mETz: /msg dpkg remove x`
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`18:55.36`	`flora`	`what about transfering the mysql databases as well as other configs in /etc/*... should we just move them over one at a time?`
`18:55.40`	`MrXerox`	`Metz, how would I use aptitude to find out what dependencies I am lacking for the libxine1?`
`18:55.45`	`mETz`	`hmm, guess I have to force uninstall in that case`
`18:56.00`	`mETz`	`don't want to uninstall half my x11-apps because of that upgrade =)`
`18:56.10`	`Zugschlus`	`baikonur: should be easy to adapt`
`18:56.11`	`mETz`	`MrXerox: type in /`
`18:56.17`	`mETz`	`MrXerox: a find dialog opens`
`18:56.18`	`asg`	`flora: well, if you shutdown the database, you can just copy over /var/lib/mysql/*. Otherwise, use mysqldump to generate a SQL file you can load on the other database with the mysql client`
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`18:56.26`	`MrXerox`	`ok, ty`
`18:56.29`	`mETz`	`MrXerox: put libxine there`
`18:56.35`	`MrXerox`	`tkx`
`18:56.36`	`mETz`	`it'll move to libxine in the list`
`18:56.45`	`flora`	`ok`
`18:56.48`	`mETz`	`MrXerox: also check out the help menu on "?"`
`18:56.56`	`asg`	`mETz: the joys of unstable and unofficial packages.`
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`18:57.23`	`flora`	`thx asg`
`18:57.29`	`mETz`	`asg: and xorg being split up into a horrible lot of packages (which is unneeded IMO)`
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`18:57.47`	`_rene_`	`mETz: no, it isn't. it makes sense.`
`18:57.47`	`mETz`	`--> broken box`
`18:57.49`	`asg`	`goog: the computer is going to the pub with me :p`
`18:57.55`	`goog`	`damn!`
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`18:58.05`	`mETz`	`_rene_: most stuff needs eachother, I don't see how I can install only parts of it :)`
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`18:58.25`	`deepan`	`is anacron 100% necessary for proper function of my system..`
`18:58.30`	`mETz`	`_rene_: sure it's cooler on security patches, when recompiling only parts etc.`
`18:58.35`	`_rene_`	`it makes sense nevertheless. at least for the libs, fonts, x server, tools, etc`
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`18:58.53`	`mETz`	`_rene_: count the number of lib packages, it got insane`
`18:58.57`	`mETz`	`x11 looks like gnome g`
`18:58.58`	`catlee`	`Anybody know of a simple command line smtp client that supports attachments? Something like: mail -s "Subject" -f "from@host.com" -t "to@host.com" -a "attachedfile.txt"`
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`18:59.06`	`caphuso`	`catlee: mutt`
`18:59.08`	`guillem`	`one question`
`18:59.14`	`_rene_`	`mETz: but that's sane to do if you know how linking and package dependencies work`
`18:59.18`	`guillem`	`somebody knows anything about libpam-usb?`
`18:59.18`	`catlee`	`caphuso: is it scriptable?`
`18:59.31`	`_rene_`	`mETz: you obviously don't so you think it's stupid. it isn't.`
`18:59.34`	`catlee`	`I want to send a mail w/ an attachment as part of a script`
`18:59.39`	`caphuso`	`catlee: yes`
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`18:59.53`	`catlee`	`cool, thanks`
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`19:00.30`	`flora`	`new/related question: if i take a disk out of one debian machine and put it in another, will it work?`
`19:00.35`	`amphi`	`catlee: nail might be what you want`
`19:00.43`	`flora`	`eg: with macs you can do that, but with windows you get bsod.`
`19:00.51`	`baikonur`	`Zugschlus: ok. I'll try it later`
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`19:02.50`	`trogger`	`where does a2ps get its paper size setting from?`
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`19:03.23`	`mETz`	`http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=332341`
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`19:03.26`	`mETz`	`that one hit me`
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`19:05.13`	`flora`	`will a debian disk from one machine work in another machine of slightly different hardware?`
`19:05.18`	`trogger`	`trogger: turns out it's /etc/papersize .`
`19:05.24`	`tarzeau`	`flora: should be fine`
`19:05.28`	`f31n`	`hey may anyone help me? I'm a damn noob ,) and i'm not able to install a package wich i downloaded before`
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`19:05.51`	`flora`	`f31n: did you try apt-cache search <packagname> ?`
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`19:06.01`	`amphi`	`f31n: you want to reinstall a package?`
`19:06.03`	`f31n`	`so i have a *.deb file ... and tryed to install it in console with filename make && make install`
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`19:06.11`	`f31n`	`no i want to install a new package`
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`19:06.23`	`amphi`	`f31n: dpkg -i package_name`
`19:06.24`	`_SerhaT_`	`f31n: dpkg -i <fileName.deb> . if you have the deb files`
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`19:06.37`	`f31n`	`k thx`
`19:07.04`	`f31n`	`aaaaah ... thx for helping`
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`19:07.13`	`benwadsworth`	`does anyone know how to sign in as a root in the terminal window?`
`19:07.20`	`f31n`	`su`
`19:07.32`	`f31n`	`@ benwadsworth type su`
`19:07.38`	`benwadsworth`	`ok thanks`
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`19:14.20`	`abrotman`	`!moo`
`19:14.20`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.`
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`19:22.05`	`Juul`	`i just installed a new kernel with make-kpkh and installed. now i'm getting "kernel panic: can't mount root fs..." i'm wondering if it's because i use reiserfs as my root fs and reiserfs support is only loaded as a module`
`19:22.24`	`Frenchwood`	`juul: try #linuxhelp`
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`19:22.28`	`eXistenZ`	`Juul, well`
`19:22.33`	`eXistenZ`	`Juul: what HD do you have?`
`19:22.35`	`Madmax`	`im installing my vdr..i edited the sources.list and all the sources work except the ones i added "deb-src ftp://ftp.heise.de/pub/ct/projekte/vdr4/cd4/vdr/source vdr/" their server work when i try it with a ftp proggy, but when i do a apt-get update. it rejects that entry with "connect: 111 connection refused". the others work.. any ideas?`
`19:22.40`	`stew`	`Juul: if that is the case you need to create an initrd using the --initrd option to make-kpkg and make sure you bootloader knows about it`
`19:22.41`	`amphi`	`Juul: it is`
`19:23.04`	`Juul`	`thanks :)`
`19:23.19`	`Juul`	`i'm gonna do the non-module reiserfs one`
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`19:23.31`	`Frenchwood`	`Madmax: do you want to try my sources.list?`
`19:23.38`	`stew`	`Juul: make sure you include the drivers for your hard disk controller as well`
`19:23.41`	`Madmax`	`Frenchwood sure`
`19:23.51`	`Juul`	`ok`
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`19:26.25`	`abrotman`	`!kill the bots`
`19:26.45`	`meff`	`in /etc/apt/preferences how do i specify multiple packages on the Package: line?`
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`19:27.35`	`meff`	`in /etc/apt/preferences how do i specify multiple packages on the Package: line?`
`19:27.35`	`abrotman`	`meff: you just missed you answer!`
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`19:27.38`	`meff`	`damnit`
`19:27.39`	`meff`	`lol`
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`19:27.55`	`meff`	`abrotman: which was? :)`
`19:28.11`	`abrotman`	`meff: sorry .. bad joke`
`19:28.16`	`meff`	`:P`
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`19:28.55`	`abrotman`	`meff: the man page doesn't cover that ?`
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`19:28.59`	`meff`	`the manpage doesnt specify how to pin multiple pkgs on one pin`
`19:29.01`	`meff`	`nope`
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`19:29.18`	`meff`	`or im an idiot and missed it :xx`
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`19:29.40`	`meff`	`i tried spaces and commas`
`19:29.40`	`jair_11`	`abrotman, have you ever heard about a Linux distro or software that can be use to control the security cameras?`
`19:29.42`	`meff`	`the normal stuff`
`19:29.49`	`abrotman`	`jair_11: no`
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`19:30.13`	`abrotman`	`meff: are they all the same version ?`
`19:30.16`	`squarepants`	`i compiled 2.7.30 kernel and the first time it booted well. I configured it again to support more hardware and all i get is 'ran out of inmput data --system halted'... unfortunately i cant rememebr what i changed. Where shoudl i look?`
`19:30.20`	`jair_11`	`Any one here knows about a distro or linux/unix application used to control the security camera systems in the schools?`
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`19:30.38`	`meff`	`abrotman: no, but i'm using release as a pin.. im pinning 3 pkgs from experimental to priority 600`
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`19:31.33`	`abrotman`	`meff: Package: * \n Pin: release a=experimental \n Priority: 600`
`19:31.33`	`moya`	`what software makes an ISO of a physical CD ?`
`19:31.35`	`abrotman`	`doesn't work ?`
`19:31.37`	`abrotman`	`!dd`
`19:31.38`	`dpkg`	`i guess dd is man dd or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or a Debian Developer, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd`
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`19:31.59`	`meff`	`abrotman: that pins every experimental pkg to 600, i just want a specific 3`
`19:32.01`	`squarepants`	`moya, try m3k`
`19:32.10`	`abrotman`	`meff: if you can't figure it out .. i'd try one of the mailing lists ..`
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`19:32.11`	`squarepants`	`sorry, k3b`
`19:32.19`	`abrotman`	`meff: if it's only 3 make a stanza for each ?`
`19:32.25`	`abrotman`	`yay staff!`
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`19:32.38`	`meff`	`abrotman: thats what im doing, just wondering if i could specify multiple to make it easier :P`
`19:32.47`	`Tortel`	`!duck`
`19:32.47`	`dpkg`	`Hhhwrraaaaaaaacckk!`
`19:33.12`	`abrotman`	`meff: i guess i'd ask a mailing list .. or the maintainer`
`19:33.28`	`meff`	`mmk`
`19:33.34`	`abrotman`	`!maint apt`
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`19:33.36`	`dpkg`	`apt: APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org>`
`19:33.41`	`moya`	`squarepants: apt-cache search m3k gives me nothing`
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`19:34.42`	`moya`	`squarepants: sometimes i'd do 'dd bs=1024 if=/dev/cdrom of=foo.iso' but md5sums don't match`
`19:34.42`	`meff`	`i use readcd to make cd clones`
`19:34.42`	`goog`	`How can I set the size of the tmpfs partiton that's mounted to /dev/shm by default? Its current size is about half my laptop's memory, which is too much :(`
`19:34.42`	`goog`	`And it doesn't show up in /etc/fstab`
`19:34.46`	`squarepants`	`moya, sorry, k3b`
`19:34.56`	`squarepants`	`it's a cd burner`
`19:35.17`	`obscuresoul`	`i'm trying to configure exim4 with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, so i'm following the steps, but i can't understand um step..."Enter a colon-separated list of IP-addresses to listen on." what shall i do here?`
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`19:35.49`	`Tortel`	`i need the kernel-build-2.6.8-2 package, but its not on my list, suggestions?`
`19:35.49`	`cahoot`	`goog: might be /etc/default/tmpfs`
`19:35.51`	`moya`	`squarepants: oops, i missed your message about k3b :) yes, i know about it, but it's for kde, that's what I asked, to see alternatives in GNOME`
`19:35.54`	`petemc`	`obscuresoul: doesnt it also say leave it blank to listen on all?`
`19:36.07`	`petemc`	`obscuresoul: or something along those lines`
`19:36.30`	`obscuresoul`	`If you leave this value empty, Exim will listen for connections on the SMTP port of all available network interfaces.`
`19:36.50`	`petemc`	`obscuresoul: so, what dont you understand?`
`19:36.57`	`jair_11`	`Any one here knows about a distro or linux/unix application used to control the security camera systems?`
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`19:37.08`	`petemc`	`jair_11: google might`
`19:37.11`	`obscuresoul`	`petemc i'm not understading this sentence :S`
`19:37.22`	`jair_11`	`petemc, I swear I am trying in google but nothing yet`
`19:38.05`	`Estes2`	`Hi everyone, i got a small issue with keepalived. my virtual ip still keeps up on backup servers so i have a duplicate ip... anyone please ?`
`19:38.24`	`petemc`	`obscuresoul: what do you want exim to do for you?`
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`19:38.50`	`petemc`	`obscuresoul: also, check out /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/`
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`19:39.10`	`obscuresoul`	`petemc i want to send emails to the internet`
`19:39.14`	`obscuresoul`	`with exim4`
`19:39.22`	`petemc`	`obscuresoul: and recieve them?`
`19:39.38`	`obscuresoul`	`no`
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`19:40.04`	`petemc`	`obscuresoul: then putting 127.0.0.1 in there should be sufficient`
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`19:40.35`	`obscuresoul`	`if i put 127.0.0.1 here, i can send emails to the internet?`
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`19:40.51`	`petemc`	`obscuresoul: well, thats a small part of it, read the docs`
`19:41.13`	`obscuresoul`	`ok ty`
`19:41.15`	`obscuresoul`	`:)`
`19:41.23`	`petemc`	`np`
`19:41.37`	`N0S3`	`i have problem with ddclient , not auto-update, help! any webpage !`
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`19:43.06`	`MutinyTunes`	`is there any kernel options you can pass the installer at boot time to prevent it from switching into whatever weird video mode it does? i'm PXE booting the debian-install to put debian on some Petabox nodes but as soon as the installer launches the video gets all zig-zaggy.`
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`19:44.04`	`abrotman`	`MutinyTunes: did oyu hit .. uhm . like F4 to look at the options ?`
`19:44.13`	`abrotman`	`F5 F6 F3 etc ?`
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`19:44.32`	`MrXerox`	`Hey guys, Im trying to run a "apt-get build-dep libxine1" and getting a "E: Build-dependencies for libxine1 could not be satisfied." Any way to find out what dependencies I need?`
`19:44.41`	`meff`	`yeah iirc the F key options reset to normal video mode`
`19:44.48`	`MutinyTunes`	`no i did not. but i guess debian-installer/framebuffer=false might be what i want.. although i tried framebuffer=false to no avail`
`19:44.48`	`adamt`	`how do i umount a nfs share when it keep telling me the device is busy?`
`19:44.53`	`adamt`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:45.20`	`squarepants`	`i compiled 2.7.30 kernel and the first time it booted well. I configured it again to support more hardware and all i get is 'ran out of inmput data --system halted'... unfortunately i cant rememebr what i changed. Where shoudl i look?`
`19:45.21`	`jbroome`	`make sure nothing is using that share. including a shell`
`19:45.51`	`meff`	`2.7.30 eh.. where'd you get that dev tree ;)`
`19:45.54`	`adamt`	`phew..`
`19:46.04`	`adamt`	`jbroome: i could kiss you =)`
`19:46.20`	`jbroome`	`please don't. :)`
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`19:46.25`	`meff`	`adamt: if that doesnt work you can always lsof to find anything on it`
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`19:46.57`	`adamt`	`meff: thanks, but it did work`
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`19:49.13`	`squarepants`	`how can i check or change my console keymap?`
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`19:50.12`	`Fox_1_`	`when i use licq with GUI it use the same files as concole licq?`
`19:50.32`	`obscuresoul`	`petemc i'm sorry byt i'm not understanding this sentence "Enter the hostname of the machine to which outgoing mail is sent."! so if i want to send an email, for instance, to cool_dude@hotmail.com, i need to to add 'hotmail.com' to this step?`
`19:50.45`	`Fox_1_`	`if you understand my question please answer:)`
`19:50.46`	`squarepants`	`meff what do you mean dev tree?`
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`19:51.42`	`petemc`	`obscuresoul: have you looked at the docs, it will tell you what a smarthost is`
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`19:52.23`	`abrotman`	`or ask dpkg!`
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`19:58.16`	`squarepants`	`what does 'ran out of inmput data --system halted' after a new kernel compile?`
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`19:58.58`	`Fox_1_`	`when i use licq with GUI, does it use the same files as concole licq?`
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`20:00.01`	`curt_`	`msg nickserv register curt01`
`20:00.08`	`tarzeau`	`hi Fox_1_`
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`20:00.29`	`Fox_1_`	`tarzeau hi`
`20:00.33`	`Fox_1_`	`tarzeau how are you?`
`20:00.51`	`tarzeau`	`Fox_1_: fine and busy. you?`
`20:01.15`	`Fox_1_`	`tarzeau fine. did you send anything?`
`20:01.28`	`tarzeau`	`Fox_1_: nope, i don't have anything sorry`
`20:01.39`	`Fox_1_`	`tarzeau np`
`20:01.41`	`Fox_1_`	`:0`
`20:01.43`	`Fox_1_`	`:)`
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`20:02.28`	`dogmeat`	`i only get crappy colors (e.g. 256 or 2^8) when trying to startx or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but windows can achieve 32 bit in 1280x1024 resolution. any ideas how to improve ?`
`20:02.30`	`aw44423`	`hi`
`20:02.45`	`aw44423`	`can someone help me a little with a USB sound card edirol`
`20:02.48`	`aw44423`	`to get it working`
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`20:02.55`	`aw44423`	`I have the unstable latest version`
`20:03.01`	`aw44423`	`also the lastest kernel`
`20:03.17`	`aw44423`	`when I plug the card to the usb I see that debian recognizes it`
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`20:03.30`	`aw44423`	`but no /etc/dsxxx card`
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`20:03.53`	`goog`	`What happens if a box has no swap space and you launch a bunch of programs?`
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`20:05.03`	`aw44423`	`?`
`20:05.04`	`petemc`	`goog: processes start getting killed`
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`20:05.12`	`Fox_1_`	`how can i configure bitchx that when someone write my nick it change that line's color?`
`20:05.47`	`goog`	`petemc: ouch`
`20:05.50`	`BlackJudas`	`May be beating a dead horse here, but has there been any discussion on making an "enterprise" version of debian available?`
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`20:06.04`	`aw44423`	`plz help!`
`20:06.07`	`BlackJudas`	`Essentially funding the debian organization.`
`20:06.31`	`tarzeau`	`petemc: not if he has enough memory`
`20:07.00`	`goog`	`petemc: are there ways to reduce the swapping? like something that makes my box remove unused stuff from the memory sooner than it does now?`
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`20:07.09`	`tarzeau`	`BlackJudas: which would do what different or additionally? (scale up for maintaining and installing)?`
`20:07.12`	`petemc`	`tarzeau: i was working on the assumption that the amount of memory needed > than available - of course you're right`
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`20:07.37`	`petemc`	`goog: 2.6 kernels have a swappiness setting you can control via /proc`
`20:07.44`	`dondelelcaro`	`BlackJudas: Debian is already enterprise enough for most things.`
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`20:08.12`	`Mars`	`How to install splash screen in kubuntu?`
`20:08.19`	`dondelelcaro`	`Mars: #kubunut`
`20:08.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`s/ut/tu/`
`20:08.37`	`xelam`	`"how to" does not a question make`
`20:08.56`	`mommer`	`I'm trying to upgrade to sarge, and i am unsure about what to do with the deb line from backports.org. Any sugestions?`
`20:09.03`	`BlackJudas`	`dondelelcaro: indeed, though commercial linux offerings may not support the distribution.`
`20:09.08`	`tarzeau`	`xelam: like yoda you speak`
`20:09.11`	`BlackJudas`	`dondelelcaro: ie. IBM DB2 for instance.`
`20:09.14`	`xelam`	`^.^`
`20:09.29`	`dondelelcaro`	`BlackJudas: well, there's not much that cna be done about that; that's primarily a vendor decision, and not one that we have bothered with dealing with.`
`20:09.30`	`tarzeau`	`mommer: remove it`
`20:09.30`	`BlackJudas`	`dondelelcaro: it wouldn't be much different imho, just more windows-like ;) (admin gui's)`
`20:09.43`	`tarzeau`	`mommer: also remove all packages that you got from bp.o`
`20:10.01`	`dondelelcaro`	`BlackJudas: uh... enterprise solutions don't have GUIs. An enterprise should have an admin that doesn't need the silly things.`
`20:10.14`	`tarzeau`	`BlackJudas: unf, i doubt that'd do any good`
`20:10.16`	`mommer`	`tarzeau, that's harsh. That'll f'up my system pretty badly, I think.`
`20:10.28`	`tarzeau`	`mommer: you asked, i answered`
`20:10.34`	`BlackJudas`	`dondelelcaro: I understand, though I think the argument may stand that it would be a good (decent) income for the organization itself, ie. fedora is much like debian now... a bunch of devels who maintain their own packages.. now rh has an enterprise only offering... etc.`
`20:10.49`	`mommer`	`tarzeau, oh, sorry i didn't mean you but the measure.`
`20:11.00`	`tarzeau`	`mommer: no i think it's not`
`20:11.07`	`tarzeau`	`mommer: how many packages do you have that are not from debian?`
`20:11.13`	`BlackJudas`	`dondelelcaro: I know :) I'm just arguing on the basis of DB2 here... my experiences... and now I'm stuck using suse enterprise for one server. which sucks bad imho.`
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`20:11.37`	`BlackJudas`	`tarzeau: it might.`
`20:11.47`	`aw44423`	`?`
`20:11.48`	`tarzeau`	`BlackJudas: i doubt`
`20:11.53`	`mommer`	`tarzeau: not many, but... openssl postfix mailman subversion cyrus-sasl2 procps`
`20:12.05`	`BlackJudas`	`I don't know, but the "new" thing seems to be this enterprise crap... which is essentially something targeted at what ms is offering with win2k3`
`20:12.15`	`mommer`	`if it were an irc client I wouldn't bother.`
`20:12.27`	`aw44423`	`can someone help me with a usb- edirol sound card to get it going on debian sid`
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`20:12.41`	`aw44423`	`when i hook it in, I see debian recognize it, but dont work`
`20:12.52`	`amphi`	`BlackJudas: the term 'enterprise-ready' has been bandied about for a good while`
`20:12.56`	`aw44423`	`dont have a /dev/dspx detected`
`20:12.56`	`goog`	`petemc: where in /proc?`
`20:13.09`	`BlackJudas`	`amphi: by a bunch of other distros... :/`
`20:13.17`	`pem3v78`	`is there a daemon to collect data from lm-sensors and make png graphs out of it ?`
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`20:13.23`	`dondelelcaro`	`BlackJudas: Debian's purpose isn't to make money, it's at fundamental odds with what RH et al. is doing. There is a debian-enterprise project which is working at dealing with the vendor interoperation that most of us don't really care about, but that will require people who are working in industries that care about this sort of thing's participation to happen.`
`20:13.25`	`BlackJudas`	`Unfortunately debian is still viewed as difficult, and I have no idea why.`
`20:13.38`	`petemc`	`goog: /proc/sys/vm/swappiness`
`20:13.52`	`mommer`	`BlackJudas: there are different ways of being difficult, not all of them technical.`
`20:14.02`	`Fox_1_`	`how can i configure bitchx that when someone write my nick it change that line's color?`
`20:14.11`	`dondelelcaro`	`BlackJudas: you're approaching this from a market penetrance stance; which is something that Debian itself has little interest in. Technical excellence is important; who actually uses it isn't.`
`20:14.26`	`petemc`	`pem3v78: mrtg`
`20:14.35`	`dondelelcaro`	`gag`
`20:14.40`	`dondelelcaro`	`use munin or lrrd`
`20:14.43`	`dondelelcaro`	`!munin`
`20:14.43`	`dpkg`	`munin is a information graphing system for multiple systems based on rrd. See http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/ and http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/example/ping.uio.no/else.ping.uio.no.html FE.`
`20:15.00`	`awcr`	`someone help me plz`
`20:15.00`	`pem3v78`	`it's seems it's quite flexible, can do other things too`
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`20:15.18`	`petemc`	`feh, mrtg works for me, configmaker is easy enough to use too`
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`20:15.49`	`dondelelcaro`	`mrtg works, but it's graphing and database implementation is shite.`
`20:16.04`	`dondelelcaro`	`lrrd surpassed it eons ago, and munin makes using lrrd trivial.`
`20:16.35`	`petemc`	`i guess im a luddite`
`20:16.36`	`Chiletix`	`Hello, ive got a problem with my wireless pcmcia, how can I make it work`
`20:17.15`	`BlackJudas`	`dondelelcaro: yes I see your point. Though without users, debian wouldn't exist. While I'm not attacking what debian "is", I'm only curious as to what it "isn't". From a money making perspective, I wouldn't personally care, but it would help with the systems that need funding. That aside, because debian isn't marketed as enterprise-ready, stops vendors from supporting it. Which I find laughable, why would IBM certify turbolinux, asialinux etc... an`
`20:17.18`	`dondelelcaro`	`I use mrtg too, but pretty much only on hosts which I've been too lazy to switch, or places where I'm still ripping SNMP directly from switches.`
`20:17.58`	`dondelelcaro`	`BlackJudas: there's a serious difference between the users we have now, and nebulous future users we don't have currently; we serve the former, not the latter.`
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`20:19.45`	`BlackJudas`	`dondelelcaro: agreed, and I know. I will look at what the debian-enterprise group is doing etc... I personally don't have a stake in any of it, I will always use debian. but it pains me that I'm forced away from it to run commercial vendors offerings...`
`20:19.47`	`dondelelcaro`	`BlackJudas: as far as money making, we're non-profit; we don't exist to make money at all. If you need enterprise certification from a vendor, get it. Most vendors who aren't crap should have no problem certifying one of our stable releases. (Indeed, even if the distribution isn't certified, you should have little problem running whatever "non-free-vendor-lock-in-ware" you want on Debian, assuming the vendor wasn't on crack.)`
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`20:20.04`	`dondelelcaro`	`BlackJudas: well, fix the problem. Get your vendor to certify the product on Debian.`
`20:20.11`	`dondelelcaro`	`BlackJudas: figure out what that will take, and make it happen.`
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`20:20.29`	`dondelelcaro`	`(you've got everything needed to do that)`
`20:21.07`	`awcr`	`nooen can helpme here?`
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`20:22.45`	`petemc`	`awcr: if debian didnt autoload the module you need, google for the model + linux, find out what module you need and load it, if its in your kernel`
`20:22.49`	`abrotman`	`BlackJudas: why not ask your IBM rep why debian isn't certified?`
`20:22.53`	`BlackJudas`	`dondelelcaro: indeed I do. And I will look into it.`
`20:23.02`	`BlackJudas`	`abrotman: first reason I got...`
`20:23.10`	`BlackJudas`	`it doesn't handle rpm`
`20:23.16`	`BlackJudas`	`and it doesn't install X by default.`
`20:23.21`	`BlackJudas`	`:/`
`20:23.26`	`abrotman`	`BlackJudas: it does handle RPM`
`20:23.34`	`BlackJudas`	`abrotman: heh I know.`
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`20:23.48`	`abrotman`	`BlackJudas: and most admins find running X on a server is well .. Windows-esque :)`
`20:24.02`	`BlackJudas`	`I had it installed, the main problem of it not running on debian is the default user id's...`
`20:24.14`	`abrotman`	`i was rather pissed when i had to install X to get oracle installed(without a scripted install)`
`20:24.15`	`BlackJudas`	`debian starts at 1000 .. db2 assumes it starts at 500 :/`
`20:24.39`	`BlackJudas`	`abrotman: yes I agree. it's total bullshit... though their control center and their installer both require x`
`20:24.47`	`abrotman`	`installer for DB2?`
`20:24.49`	`abrotman`	`so what ..`
`20:24.51`	`kvidell`	`WHOA`
`20:24.51`	`BlackJudas`	`yep`
`20:24.53`	`abrotman`	`they just have to certify it`
`20:24.56`	`kvidell`	`I forgot I turned my monitor brightness down`
`20:25.00`	`kvidell`	`the colours... they're so rich`
`20:25.02`	`BlackJudas`	`that's basically it...`
`20:25.07`	`abrotman`	`so install X damn it`
`20:25.20`	`abrotman`	`so Ubuntu could be certified because it .. installs X ?`
`20:25.20`	`BlackJudas`	`they won't support a distro that doesn't install x by default... etc etc`
`20:25.24`	`BlackJudas`	`yep`
`20:25.26`	`Sebo`	`Which soft do you prefer to play MPEG-2 movies?? i.e. What i should apt-get ;P I've got Debian and KDE :)`
`20:25.32`	`abrotman`	`BlackJudas: they do support it if you pay enough money`
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`20:25.41`	`BlackJudas`	`abrotman: heh I know..`
`20:25.59`	`BlackJudas`	`but when I try to convince the higher ups that debian does the job...`
`20:26.12`	`BlackJudas`	`they listened... it worked, it installed and it configured...`
`20:26.22`	`BlackJudas`	`though I couldn't install licenses because x wasn't installed`
`20:26.30`	`abrotman`	`and iirc .. you can set debian to start at a lower UID`
`20:26.45`	`BlackJudas`	`abrotman: yep, I'm not saying it can't be done...`
`20:26.53`	`abrotman`	`well ... seems pretty stpuid to me`
`20:26.53`	`BlackJudas`	`I'm saying IBM will not support it`
`20:27.08`	`abrotman`	`how about i send IBM a script that gets Debian up to thier "specs" :)`
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`20:27.33`	`abrotman`	`and what if the machine has an S3 card(shit shit shit) and X can't run ?`
`20:27.37`	`BlackJudas`	`abrotman: do it, though I couldn't successfuly install db2 on debian due to x... and I refused to install it :/`
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`20:27.56`	`BlackJudas`	`abrotman: then you're sol is my guess...`
`20:28.07`	`BlackJudas`	`heh`
`20:28.24`	`abrotman`	`for the life of me have no idea which CD you need to install MSDN with VB6 .. ah well`
`20:28.39`	`Sebo`	`Is there anyone watching movies on Debian?? I'd like to do so and I don't know which soft would be best :]`
`20:28.50`	`Gnea`	`!best`
`20:28.50`	`dpkg`	`best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!`
`20:29.01`	`BlackJudas`	`TINA TURNER!!!111`
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`20:29.17`	`abrotman`	`franklin`
`20:29.18`	`abrotman`	`duh`
`20:29.25`	`Sebo`	`Best for MPEG-2`
`20:29.36`	`BlackJudas`	`Welcome to tunderball`
`20:29.40`	`Gnea`	`heh, still stuck on 'best'`
`20:29.47`	`SimonRaven`	`they both rock your sockss off ;)`
`20:29.58`	`Daffy-PKF`	`let's imagine, i have a computer without any graphic card, how can i install linux on it?`
`20:30.03`	`BlackJudas`	`My socks are much too sticky atm.`
`20:30.06`	`abrotman`	`Daffy-PKF: console`
`20:30.17`	`Daffy-PKF`	`abrotman> what?`
`20:30.21`	`Gnea`	`Daffy-PKF: use the force`
`20:30.28`	`whitehorse1`	`Latest round of updates from Debian has broken yet another thing on my system, trying to do anything requiring root say via su gives several errors: http://pastebin.ca/25340 I know something needs fixing, but what? where to start...:/ pointers welcomed`
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`20:30.34`	`BlackJudas`	`Daffy-PKF: yoink the hard drive.. image it.. call it done`
`20:30.39`	`abrotman`	`Daffy-PKF: you know .. a console :)`
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`20:30.52`	`Gnea`	`Daffy-PKF: yeah, console.. what, you never installed a sun before? :)`
`20:31.16`	`Sebo`	`i.e. I've got MPEG-2 movie and I'd like to watch it and I don't know which software I should # apt-get`
`20:31.20`	`Daffy-PKF`	`Gnea> no, never`
`20:31.46`	`abrotman`	`Gnea: or HPUX .. or IRIX .. or AIX ...`
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`20:32.01`	`Gnea`	`Daffy-PKF: ah, well see back in the day, before graphics cards became an issue, you could hook a dumb terminal up via a null modem to the first serial port on a system and interface it that way`
`20:32.02`	`amphi`	`Sebo: mplayer will play almost anything`
`20:32.41`	`whitehorse1`	`Daffy-PKF Heh, I remember talking to I think it was ATI tech support circa. '94/95 and explaining a problem and stating I'd removed all cards bar the gfx card. The woman on the other end of the 'phone said "okay can you remove the graphics card too and then try $foo". I replied "Umm then I won't be able to see anything onscreen" eliciting an "Ohh yes, I hadn't thought of that" from the sweet but not overly clueful engineer.`
`20:32.49`	`Gnea`	`Daffy-PKF: theoretically you can still do that, but you have to know how the system is going to respond, otherwise doing the drive on another system then replacing it there would work better`
`20:32.51`	`SimonRaven`	`Sebo: you've got like we say in french "l'ambarras du choix" (a whole slew of choices)`
`20:32.57`	`Daffy-PKF`	`Gnea> ok, i start to understand, you mean if i have another computer i can to, i can use it's screen?`
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`20:33.08`	`whitehorse1`	`Sebo: So will RealPlayer.`
`20:33.32`	`Daffy-PKF`	`whitehorse1> lol`
`20:33.33`	`Gnea`	`Daffy-PKF: ...yes, if you have a serial cable and a null modem`
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`20:34.04`	`Daffy-PKF`	`Gnea> hmmm, i don't have that, and the worst... the over computer is windows...`
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`20:34.22`	`abrotman`	`Daffy-PKF: there might be a way(if you know the keystrokes) to set up the remote ssh install`
`20:34.23`	`Sebo`	`SimonRaven: And that's why I'm ascking which you prefer :)`
`20:34.28`	`goog`	`Why is there no kernel-image-2.6.8-2-586?`
`20:34.31`	`chealer`	`dpkg, mediawiki is WikiPedia's PHP/MySQL wiki engine, packaged in Etch, at http://www.mediawiki.org/`
`20:34.31`	`dpkg`	`okay, chealer`
`20:34.31`	`Gnea`	`Daffy-PKF: no big deal, hyperterminal can compensate`
`20:34.40`	`Gnea`	`Daffy-PKF: null modems are still for sale at radio shack`
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`20:34.53`	`whitehorse1`	`Sooo...anyone have any hints as to where I need to start looking based upon the error messages? I.e pastebinned above [http://pastebin.ca/25340] & occurring since installing the new round of Debian updates 15mins ago`
`20:35.15`	`househead`	`hi all, having some probs configuring postfix/courier-imap for virtual users`
`20:35.24`	`househead`	`anyone care to spare 5 mins to help me?`
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`20:35.31`	`Daffy-PKF`	`abrotman> you mean sshd is running during install`
`20:35.33`	`Daffy-PKF`	`?`
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`20:36.07`	`Gnea`	`Daffy-PKF: but seriously, you're better off taking the hard drive out, putting it in the win machine and installing linux off of the cdrom there, then put the hd back in the other machine, making sure instant support for the network on there is fine - if you set it up right in the first place you should be able to ssh in and go from there`
`20:36.13`	`househead`	`anyone?`
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`20:36.31`	`Gnea`	`!anyone`
`20:36.31`	`dpkg`	`Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>`
`20:36.41`	`Gnea`	`househead: no. don't know how.`
`20:36.53`	`SimonRaven`	`househead: #postfix, #courier-mta`
`20:36.54`	`whitehorse1`	`E.g. configuration error - unknown item 'QUOTAS_ENAB' (notify administrator) << love Debian messages. "So" helpful. I notfied the administrator (me) and quelle surprise I didn't know how to fix it or where the problem lay.`
`20:36.54`	`stew`	`househead: ask more specific questions`
`20:37.12`	`Daffy-PKF`	`Gnea> ok, that's a good idea, but the architecture of the windows thing must be the same right?`
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`20:37.30`	`beardy`	`househead: /msg dpkg smart questions, it can be very helpful`
`20:37.32`	`abrotman`	`Daffy-PKF: yes .. sarge install supports that`
`20:37.39`	`abrotman`	`Daffy-PKF: it has no video card .. or you have no monitor?`
`20:37.42`	`SimonRaven`	`whitehorse1: /etc/login.defs definition. login changed recently...`
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`20:38.13`	`abrotman`	`hehe .. i opened someones pastebin .. a while ago .. no idea who it belongs to`
`20:38.15`	`Daffy-PKF`	`abrotman> no video card, it's for a server`
`20:38.26`	`whitehorse1`	`SimonRaven: Merci muchly. Some of the updates were related to that now I think of it. may've been the pam message offering to install a new config file and suggesting I kept the old, which I did.`
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`20:38.30`	`abrotman`	`Daffy-PKF: uhm .. most servers have a video card of some sort`
`20:38.46`	`whitehorse1`	`abrotman: 5/6 line error message after command su? mine if it was`
`20:38.49`	`Daffy-PKF`	`abrotman> well, this one is not`
`20:38.49`	`corallis`	`how unstable is testing right now compared to stable?`
`20:38.54`	`abrotman`	`whitehorse1: richard?`
`20:39.12`	`abrotman`	`corallis: ever seen "Braveheart"`
`20:39.14`	`abrotman`	`?`
`20:39.25`	`whitehorse1`	`corallis: Well, my system's fscked and I'm running Etch ;) Though I'm not the most savvy user of Linux yet.`
`20:39.31`	`whitehorse1`	`abrotman: Oui c'est moi`
`20:39.36`	`abrotman`	`ah ok`
`20:39.48`	`abrotman`	`quit messing with PAM ?`
`20:39.55`	`whitehorse1`	`corallis: seriously tho, biggish things to check out are glibc`
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`20:40.05`	`corallis`	`abrotman: yes, why?`
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`20:40.15`	`SimonRaven`	`whitehorse1: yeh. default is to keep it. i just diffed the old and new and made a new one from that. bits i wanted to keep, bits unneeded, etc.`
`20:40.16`	`abrotman`	`corallis: you know that battle scene .. that kind of mess :)`
`20:40.22`	`kl1`	`hi to install midnightcommander?`
`20:40.35`	`abrotman`	`mc`
`20:40.39`	`corallis`	`abrotman: oh my`
`20:40.42`	`abrotman`	`!info mc sarge`
`20:40.46`	`dpkg`	`mc: (midnight commander - a powerful file manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.0-4.6.1-pre3-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2104 kB, Installed size: 5203 kB`
`20:40.46`	`kl1`	`ok`
`20:40.50`	`abrotman`	`corallis: for some it's ok .. for others .. a regular mess`
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`20:41.06`	`whitehorse1`	`abrotman: Messing? It's just kinda there, I don't do anything with it. The latest upgrade included a PAM update tho. You mean I should uninstall it I assume`
`20:41.14`	`abrotman`	`corallis: i did a dist-upgrade on my box the ohter day to etch .. all seems mostly ok`
`20:41.24`	`whitehorse1`	`SimonRaven: g Ah, the car crash that'd result if I tried that ;p`
`20:41.33`	`abrotman`	`whitehorse1: can you login normally as root?`
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`20:41.54`	`whitehorse1`	`checking. (btw su logs me in it seems after it whines with all the errors)`
`20:42.16`	`whitehorse1`	`abrotman: nope can't`
`20:42.31`	`whitehorse1`	`abrotman: "No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" "`
`20:42.35`	`cr3`	`I'm trying to get a wikipedia page and its images with wget, but the images aren't being downloaded. I tried the -p argument and also -r -l 1, but none of them fetch the images. any ideas what could be the problem? should I be asking in another resourceful channel?`
`20:42.47`	`acollins`	`does anyone know how to rip multiple CD tracks as one Ogg Vorbis file? (like iTunes "join tracks")`
`20:43.17`	`yang26`	`My system cannot find ncurses, but they are installed - http://pastebin.com/391609`
`20:43.22`	`whitehorse1`	`cr3: Perchance #wikipedia. There're definitely devvy and solaris/*nix users around there usually`
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`20:43.30`	`SimonRaven`	`whitehorse1: hehe, it's one of the options in fact. i do it manually`
`20:43.41`	`baikonur`	`cr3: try #wikipedia`
`20:43.54`	`cr3`	`thanks`
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`20:44.00`	`abrotman`	`whitehorse1: lovely`
`20:44.19`	`stew`	`acollins: rip them to wav, "sox wav1 wav2 wav3 joined.wav " to concatenate them, then oggenc`
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`20:44.32`	`Ad4m`	`pls, howto apt setup for mirror?`
`20:44.42`	`acollins`	`stew: cool, thanks`
`20:44.43`	`stew`	`Ad4m: run "apt-setup"`
`20:44.52`	`whitehorse1`	`abrotman: that's a good error then :D`
`20:44.57`	`Ad4m`	`"-bash: apt-setup: command not found"`
`20:45.05`	`SimonRaven`	`as root`
`20:45.09`	`stew`	`Ad4m: as root, its in /usr/sbin/`
`20:45.10`	`abrotman`	`whitehorse1: yeah .. i've seen it before :)`
`20:45.16`	`alienbrain`	`yang26, dpkg -l ncurses-dev ?`
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`20:45.41`	`abrotman`	`libncurses5-dev`
`20:45.48`	`streuner`	`Ad4m: this isn't #fedora`
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`20:46.09`	`whitehorse1`	`hosing the root account thru an update. ah, debian's legendary stability. and me.`
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`20:46.25`	`kl1`	`to close a chanel in bithx?`
`20:46.32`	`kl1`	`bitchx`
`20:46.40`	`streuner`	`kl1: /part #channel`
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`20:47.15`	`stew`	`whitehorse1: if you are looking for debian's legendary stablility, you should be running stable, not testing`
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`20:47.18`	`Ad4m`	`stew: not found`
`20:47.19`	`yang26`	`i have ii libncurses5 5.4-9`
`20:47.26`	`stew`	`Ad4m: what version of debian are you running?`
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`20:47.53`	`SimonRaven`	`!version`
`20:47.53`	`dpkg`	`Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list`
`20:47.55`	`whitehorse1`	`stew: Aye. Though then again Sarge won't support my hardware particularly. Caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.`
`20:48.13`	`stew`	`whitehorse1: what hardware?`
`20:50.01`	`alienbrain`	`yang26, you need ncurses-dev and/or libncurses-dev`
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`20:50.17`	`whitehorse1`	`A few items, the ATI is the main pain; I know of the fgrlx flavio stuff & the xorg 6.8.2 support, naturally. The USB plantronics headset in conjunction with the soundcard (tho that's just an sb 5.1) is another problematic factor.`
`20:50.26`	`bnoji`	`I'm trying to setup CentraView CRM and I keep getting exceptions.`
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`20:50.48`	`yang26`	`alienbrain: there is no package ncurses-dev`
`20:50.55`	`stew`	`yang26: libncurses5-dev`
`20:51.02`	`abrotman`	`i said that ..`
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`20:51.11`	`roboo`	`hi..`
`20:51.23`	`SimonRaven`	`not i'm not`
`20:51.28`	`SimonRaven`	`no*`
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`20:51.48`	`roboo`	`is there a media player that have wide shortcuts(and they should be run)`
`20:52.19`	`SimonRaven`	`wide shortcuts?`
`20:52.29`	`tarzeau`	`like in emacs?`
`20:52.29`	`stew`	`whitehorse1: using the xorg backport in sarge is a much better solution to you ati proble. fglrx is not supported by either sarge nor etch. you do realize the you can run newer kernels on sarge, right?`
`20:52.38`	`tarzeau`	`you press 10 keys to do something simple and often?`
`20:52.45`	`whitehorse1`	`I'm almost tempted to Wipe+Re-install Etch given the hosed login info, the glibc/readline error not yet fixed in Etch however etc. But sadly that probably wouldn't help as nightly & newer installers don't work and the only one that does is Sarge's w/expert mode+2.6 kernel & testing dist options. The problem there is that once installed I'd immediately need to do updates that include increasing kernel ver from 2.6 to 2.12, and switc`
`20:53.27`	`stew`	`whitehorse1: if you were to install etch from scratch you should end up with the same version of login you have now`
`20:53.31`	`tarzeau`	`whitehorse1: install stable, decide for stable or sid`
`20:53.37`	`whitehorse1`	`stew: I use a backport of xorg already from debian-desktop.org. I did try installing Sarge for several days with ppl in here tho,`
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`20:53.50`	`tarzeau`	`whitehorse1: do you have any good reason to use xorg?`
`20:54.05`	`SimonRaven`	`hehe`
`20:54.09`	`tarzeau`	`whitehorse1: to play with?`
`20:54.15`	`stew`	`a gift!`
`20:54.18`	`SimonRaven`	`to eventually eat`
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`20:54.21`	`whitehorse1`	`tarzeau: ati radeon 9600pro`
`20:54.21`	`tarzeau`	`stew: heh :)`
`20:54.25`	`SimonRaven`	`stew: exactly`
`20:54.33`	`tarzeau`	`whitehorse1: yes that's a reason...`
`20:54.37`	`albo`	`i changes sources.list to testing, updated a few packages. now i've changed it back to stable. how can i downgrade them`
`20:54.43`	`eddyp`	`does anybody know a subversion repository browser? (client side)?`
`20:54.44`	`whitehorse1`	`yep she's playing with it with her paw, right nr my feet. ick.`
`20:54.47`	`SimonRaven`	`whitehorse1: the cat likes you, thta's why`
`20:54.49`	`tarzeau`	`albo: you can't`
`20:54.50`	`albo`	`eddyp: viewcvs`
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`20:55.35`	`albo`	`tarzeau: the manual mentions downgrading. and i believe ive done it before`
`20:55.40`	`whitehorse1`	`eddyp is ksvn its name? that one anyhow`
`20:55.45`	`tarzeau`	`whitehorse1: at least she doesn't masturbate right under yer feet of boredom. don't make an elephant out of a mouse`
`20:55.47`	`streuner`	`SimonRaven: if you ever saw what happens then, you would know what the cat want do....`
`20:55.52`	`SimonRaven`	`whitehorse1: question: are you by any chance also in whitehorse?`
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`20:56.02`	`SimonRaven`	`streuner: yeh, eat it =)`
`20:56.04`	`tarzeau`	`albo: which manual?`
`20:56.12`	`streuner`	`SimonRaven: no`
`20:56.14`	`albo`	`tarzeau: apt-get`
`20:56.18`	`whitehorse1`	`tarzeau: Ah, that's true. \|\| SimonRaven: No, I've only ever used whitehorse1 on freenode.`
`20:56.25`	`tarzeau`	`albo: can you point me to that part?`
`20:56.37`	`albo`	`tarzeau: search for downgrade in it`
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`20:56.48`	`zepeuga`	`what is the module that i need to load, instead of ide-scsi to burn cds in kernel 2.6.8 ?`
`20:56.53`	`streuner`	`SimonRaven: if it would be hungry it would eat it before...`
`20:56.58`	`tarzeau`	`albo: do you mean the manual page?`
`20:57.00`	`SimonRaven`	`whitehorse1: i meant the city in northwest territories`
`20:57.02`	`amphi`	`zepeuga: ide-cd?`
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`20:57.09`	`whitehorse1`	`SimonRaven: dual concurrent nicks would be troll-y :/ I don't think trolls generally donate to freenode`
`20:57.21`	`Silv3rdust`	`lo all`
`20:57.22`	`whitehorse1`	`SimonRaven: "oh". g`
`20:57.28`	`whitehorse1`	`< in london`
`20:57.33`	`eddyp`	`albo: that is server side`
`20:57.35`	`SimonRaven`	`ok`
`20:57.43`	`albo`	`eddyp: so? use a web browser`
`20:57.45`	`zepeuga`	`amphi, yes, but i need to put in lilo hdc=ide-cd ?`
`20:57.53`	`SimonRaven`	`whitehorse1: london, uk, or london, ontario? ;)`
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`20:58.18`	`eddyp`	`albo: I need I client side application`
`20:58.23`	`whitehorse1`	`eddyp: Rapid SVN is another.`
`20:58.30`	`whitehorse1`	`SimonRaven: UK`
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`20:58.35`	`SimonRaven`	`i'm just curious, if you're wondering why i'm asking`
`20:58.37`	`SimonRaven`	`ok`
`20:58.40`	`albo`	`tarzeau: i removed all debs from var/cache removed the package, installed it and its still the old version`
`20:58.44`	`whitehorse1`	`SimonRaven: it's cool. :)`
`20:59.07`	`Silv3rdust`	`can somebody tell me how a noob start with debian?`
`20:59.10`	`flogiston`	`I's there a way to reread fstab without rebooting the computer?`
`20:59.14`	`whitehorse1`	`albo: the debian reference on downgrading does it has to be said suggest formatting the HD..`
`20:59.22`	`tarzeau`	`flogiston: mount -a ?`
`20:59.24`	`streuner`	`flogiston: mount -a`
`20:59.32`	`streuner`	`!win tarzeau`
`20:59.32`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, tarzeau! You have won the US presidency!`
`20:59.45`	`SimonRaven`	`albo: run update... and no you can't just downgrade, unless, you wipe the drive`
`20:59.50`	`tarzeau`	`streuner: as long as i don't have to live in the US`
`20:59.55`	`flogiston`	`Ithanks`
`20:59.57`	`whitehorse1`	`Silv3rdust: they download it and install initially. the debian reference manual is a useful resource readable via a browser`
`21:00.11`	`streuner`	`tarzeau: you could live everywhere if you have money`
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`21:00.16`	`streuner`	`good*`
`21:00.20`	`Silv3rdust`	`i downloaded it and i installed it,...`
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`21:00.30`	`SimonRaven`	`whitehorse1: i'm on the 'other side of the pond', montreal, qc`
`21:00.44`	`Silv3rdust`	`bu i nee clue haha`
`21:00.46`	`whitehorse1`	`SimonRaven: ah, cool. :)`
`21:00.48`	`tarzeau`	`streuner: certainly. still the US wouldn't be the top places where i'd like to live (not longer than half a year)`
`21:00.49`	`Silv3rdust`	`but`
`21:00.52`	`Fox_1_`	`how can i install the lastest version of java plugin in debian?`
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`21:01.12`	`Fox_1_`	`how can i install the oldest version of java plugin in debian?`
`21:01.15`	`Fox_1_`	`oldest`
`21:01.20`	`nvz`	`you still going on about that obsurd request of the "oldest java plugin"`
`21:01.20`	`whitehorse1`	`Fox_1_: msg dpkg about marillat if you mean the sun version. or msg 'him' about java too`
`21:01.31`	`setnf`	`Hi. I need to download Debian3.0. Where can i find the netinstall iso ?`
`21:01.34`	`nvz`	`how many times do I have to tell you that it will not work`
`21:01.34`	`zepeuga`	`amphi, yes, but i need to put in lilo hdc=ide-cd ?`
`21:01.37`	`Silv3rdust`	`i was wondering if there is somebody who can tell me where i can start`
`21:01.51`	`abrotman`	`setnf: that's woody .. uyou sure that's what you want ?`
`21:01.57`	`Fox_1_`	`whitehorse1 him?`
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`21:02.07`	`whitehorse1`	`nvz: Ick yeah I responded when he wrote the first line and thought he mis-spelt latest`
`21:02.12`	`SimonRaven`	`Fox_1_: it. dpkg is a bot`
`21:02.21`	`Fox_1_`	`ok`
`21:02.30`	`whitehorse1`	`Fox_1_: Yes. Quotation marks around it. It is a bot.`
`21:02.49`	`setnf`	`abrotman: Hehe yes man. Becouse i have to install debian under a poweredge debian. And the iso drivers for RAID things needs the woody to compleate the installation. so after i will update to 3.1 stable`
`21:02.51`	`whitehorse1`	`setnf: www.debian.org and click getting debian`
`21:02.54`	`nvz`	`Fox_1_: again, even IF you could find a java plugin from 1992 its not going to work with any browser in debian. I dont even know when they started making java for linux, but I know it wasnt always compiled with GCC3 or GCC4 like plugins now MUST BE`
`21:02.58`	`albo`	`SimonRaven: i dont get it. i remove all ruby packages. it tells me its downloading ruby 1.8.2 so where does 1.8.3 (testing) come from if i have stable in sources.list`
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`21:03.35`	`whitehorse1`	`albo: man apt-get and glance at the art about permissions?`
`21:03.36`	`Fox_1_`	`nvz i understand`
`21:03.38`	`setnf`	`whitehorse1: there isn't the iso to Debian3.0`
`21:03.38`	`whitehorse1`	`*part`
`21:03.45`	`stew`	`albo: type apt-cache policy pkgname`
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`21:03.55`	`stew`	`albo: that should tell you where it's coming from`
`21:03.55`	`nvz`	`Fox_1_: I believe I explained that to you like a week ago :P`
`21:04.09`	`SimonRaven`	`albo: i just told you why, indirectly. the package database has that version in it. you need to update so that the version in stable can install - if it were possible. do what stew said`
`21:04.21`	`Silv3rdust`	`gess i need to find out myself`
`21:04.25`	`whitehorse1`	`setnf: Well, it took me four seconds to find a page that says it is? http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/`
`21:04.26`	`Fox_1_`	`nvz so how can i test my applet in old jvm versions?`
`21:04.34`	`Silv3rdust`	`haha beginner channel is empty`
`21:04.41`	`setnf`	`whitehorse1: you expert ;P thanks.`
`21:04.43`	`nvz`	`Fox_1_: if you cant get over testing your software with every imaginable platform, you are too dumb to be programming :P`
`21:04.49`	`albo`	`SimonRaven: stew both stable versions, 1.8.2`
`21:05.00`	`SimonRaven`	`Silv3rdust: you just use it. read about stuff that interests you, etc.`
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`21:05.22`	`Fox_1_`	`nvz what do you mean?`
`21:05.23`	`stew`	`albo: if you apt-get install ruby, it will install the version in Candidtate: is that not 1.8.2?`
`21:05.27`	`Silv3rdust`	`dunno where to start thats the main issue`
`21:05.28`	`nvz`	`Fox_1_: well or at least too whats the word... idealistic`
`21:05.29`	`nkuttler`	`Silv3rdust: /msg dpkg fundamentals`
`21:05.42`	`sn00p`	`dpkg broken?`
`21:05.42`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, broken is mailto:nothing@machine.cx -> http://machine.cx/debian/ or screen shots are at http://nivda.machine.cx or that's sid for you.`
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`21:06.01`	`stew`	`Fox_1_: if you install multiple JREs using java-package you can quickly switch between them with update-alternatives`
`21:06.04`	`nvz`	`Fox_1_: you're a damn programmer. you don't give a fuck if people who havent updated their software in 12 years can run your program or not.`
`21:06.22`	`stew`	`nvz: huh?`
`21:06.37`	`wolfram`	`nabend`
`21:06.53`	`nvz`	`stew: he's obsessed with testing the OLDEST java _plugin_ in the world. which he would need like a 16-bit browser compiled with GCC 0.001 or something`
`21:06.59`	`stew`	`nvz: i have to do what he's trying to do all the time, i have to support java 1.1 it sucks, but its still very prevalant`
`21:07.11`	`abrotman`	`setnf: http://olympus.cssi.org/~abrotman/knottcapital/jgeorge.zip`
`21:07.21`	`abrotman`	`setnf: ignore that`
`21:07.30`	`Fox_1_`	`nvz the client can't update his jvm`
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`21:07.37`	`abrotman`	`setnf: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/debian-cd/oldimages/3.0_r5/i386/`
`21:07.42`	`stew`	`i guess i'm too dumb to be programming too then`
`21:07.47`	`whitehorse1`	`nvz: Surely he can try emulation - Xen rather than VMWare perhaps?`
`21:07.49`	`setnf`	`abrotman: thanks man`
`21:08.07`	`nvz`	`Fox_1_: if its a single version of Java you are developing for you should say so, and you dont want a plugin, you just want a JRE`
`21:08.16`	`groogs`	`if I append "> /dev/null" to cronjobs, i get leftover CRON processes running .. the normal parent "/usr/sbin/cron" has a child "/USR/SBIN/CRON" in D state, and it has a child "/USR/SBIN/CRON" in Ss state. these child processes seem to be running crontab at the same time as the parent, so every task is executed twice (and more often, as more children get started). this is on debian sarge, been happening for a while but I only just dis`
`21:08.16`	`groogs`	`covered how to reproduce it. any idea why this would happen or how to fix it?`
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`21:08.31`	`setnf`	`abrotman: but i need the netinstall a minimal system. where can i find ? sorry.`
`21:08.36`	`jades`	`can i swap my XFree86 with xorg?`
`21:08.37`	`albo`	`stew: its different from my untouched stable system`
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`21:08.46`	`nvz`	`whitehorse1: who knows he's been going on for weeks about the _oldest_ version of java`
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`21:08.54`	`abrotman`	`setnf: there wasn't a netinst image for woody .. just floppies .. nothing official anyways`
`21:08.56`	`abrotman`	`!woody netinst`
`21:08.57`	`dpkg`	`i guess woody netinst is at http://people.debian.org/~ieure/netinst/`
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`21:09.04`	`SimonRaven`	`groogs: > /dev/null 2>&1`
`21:09.12`	`goog`	`What, exactly, IS "dirty memory", and why would I want to "write it out"? I'm reading http://modzer0.cs.uaf.edu/wiki/index.php/BatteryLife`
`21:09.16`	`setnf`	`hm let me check out`
`21:09.19`	`Fox_1_`	`nvz yes, but in java.sun.com i found old versions of jre only for windows and solaris`
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`21:09.32`	`groogs`	`SimonRaven: yeah that causes it too.. 2>&1 by itself is ok, (but that still emails)`
`21:09.45`	`setnf`	`not found. abrotman the bot have more links from peoples ? :)`
`21:09.48`	`stew`	`Fox_1_: you can get older versions from blackdown, but getting them running in a current debian is hard to impossible`
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`21:10.00`	`nvz`	`Fox_1_: again if you know your customer has a version of java, be specific on what version you need, you don't just say the oldest.`
`21:10.05`	`whitehorse1`	`nvz: tell him to a) look it up at sun.com and use Xen to install a system to use it upon if he can't use it on his primary one and if he can't find it on sun or blackdown then ... suck it up?`
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`21:10.10`	`TutuXSuX`	`apt-get install bonsoir-a-tous`
`21:10.20`	`stew`	`Fox_1_: are you having to support msjvm?`
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`21:11.02`	`SimonRaven`	`groogs: weird. never seen that before. read the bugs / file a bug at the BTS?`
`21:11.02`	`Fox_1_`	`stew i need linux jvm`
`21:11.03`	`incorrect`	`i've setup a new sarge box, installed ntpd server, created the drift file, however i can't sync off the machine, i have the default config working on another machine`
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`21:11.12`	`TutuXSuX`	`ooo it's in english here sorry > apt-get install hi-at-all`
`21:11.13`	`stew`	`Fox_1_: what version of the jvm are you having to support?`
`21:11.34`	`goog`	`!dirty memory`
`21:11.39`	`goog`	`:(`
`21:11.47`	`SimonRaven`	`!memory`
`21:11.47`	`dpkg`	`i heard memory is Chips in a computer that remember data. Also commonly referred to as RAM.`
`21:11.49`	`Fox_1_`	`nvz my client use 1.1.1 jvm`
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`21:11.57`	`groogs`	`SimonRaven: not yet. this seems like it would be a little too widespread if this is a bug ..`
`21:12.01`	`Fox_1_`	`stew 1.4.2_04`
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`21:12.39`	`db`	`Hey, i have problem with xserver. I have daewoo 518b and s3 unichrome graphic card. I set Vert/HorizSync but monitor all time work in 60 Hz.`
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`21:12.49`	`groogs`	`so i must be missing SOMETHING .. but i don't know what`
`21:12.52`	`SimonRaven`	`goog: just means that you should flush the stuff to disk. that's the basics, it's more complex than that`
`21:13.01`	`whitehorse1`	`db: Xorg or Xfree86 please?`
`21:13.05`	`stew`	`Fox_1_: that should be available from sun, if not, definately from blackdown.org, /msg dpkg java-package to install it`
`21:13.06`	`setnf`	`!woody netinst`
`21:13.06`	`dpkg`	`woody netinst is probably at http://people.debian.org/~ieure/netinst/`
`21:13.09`	`setnf`	`:/`
`21:13.15`	`SimonRaven`	`Fox_1_: um, that's not that old....`
`21:13.31`	`SimonRaven`	`(year, tops)`
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`21:13.40`	`goog`	`SimonRaven: so if the machine "never" locks up, flushing is something I can do quite rarely?`
`21:13.41`	`Fox_1_`	`SimonRaven i know. i write applet in 1.4.2_04.`
`21:13.48`	`db`	`whitehorse1: xfree86. Kernel - 2.4`
`21:13.53`	`db`	`Debian: sarge.`
`21:13.55`	`flogiston`	`Last time i treid fluxbox i could pull windows between the desktops.`
`21:13.55`	`groogs`	`SimonRaven: flush to disk? I was just checking, and it works fine if i output to say /tmp/something ..`
`21:14.01`	`flogiston`	`But i can't anymore.`
`21:14.01`	`Fox_1_`	`SimonRaven and now i what test it under 1.1.1`
`21:14.04`	`groogs`	`can /dev/null "break"?`
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`21:14.11`	`spr1n`	`hi, can someone tell me how to disable giu login? I've read I should change /etc/inittab from id:5:initdefault to id:3, but I have id:2 there =\`
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`21:14.23`	`spr1n`	`gui login I mean`
`21:14.34`	`beardy`	`!nodm`
`21:14.34`	`dpkg`	`Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console`
`21:14.37`	`SimonRaven`	`goog: well, the system usually takes care of things, so barring any crashes, freezes, it'll do that itself`
`21:14.38`	`flogiston`	`Founf it.`
`21:14.45`	`SimonRaven`	`groogs: check your perms on it maybe`
`21:14.55`	`beardy`	`spr1n: Forget that you talked about.`
`21:14.57`	`goog`	`SimonRaven: great`
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`21:15.01`	`SimonRaven`	`crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2005-09-24 23:59 /dev/null`
`21:15.04`	`spr1n`	`why?`
`21:15.08`	`xiaogil`	`i can't delete the main user with userdel, how can i reinitialize it then ?`
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`21:15.16`	`groogs`	`oh sorry, there is a goog .. thought you mispelled my name`
`21:15.23`	`SimonRaven`	`'main user'?`
`21:15.29`	`goog`	`Are the values in /proc/sys/vm/* reset on a reboot?`
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`21:15.48`	`stew`	`spr1n: what version of debian are you using?`
`21:15.51`	`goog`	`Just wondering if I should save the defaults before changing them`
`21:16.01`	`froztbyte`	`peterS: thnx for the kernel advice!! it works quite the nicely`
`21:16.02`	`xiaogil`	`SimonRaven: anyway, how can i reinitilize the user as if it was a new one ?`
`21:16.08`	`db`	`I tried to set my graphic card module as via or s3 but XFree86 return No Screens found.`
`21:16.27`	`spr1n`	`stew: etch`
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`21:16.30`	`beardy`	`db: It can't be both.`
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`21:16.45`	`sophacles`	`hi all. im having problems with firefox. (testing package) when i try to download a file (.zip,.ttf,.pdf, etc) that firefox doesnt handle natively, it hangs. an strace up to the hang is at http://pastebin.com/391632 any help?`
`21:16.52`	`TwistedEmotions`	`I win...`
`21:16.56`	`TwistedEmotions`	`deadcat: you there?`
`21:16.57`	`stew`	`spr1n: debian doesn't use different runlevels differently, 2-5 are all the same until you actually change that by hand, if you want a non graphical login /msg dpkg nodm`
`21:17.14`	`db`	`I know. Firstly i set via, secondly - s3`
`21:17.22`	`db`	`But both return no screens...`
`21:17.25`	`beardy`	`stew: I told him that..`
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`21:18.30`	`stew`	`beardy: sorry i missed that, didn't mean to repeat`
`21:19.00`	`TwistedEmotions`	`stew your fired.`
`21:19.01`	`spr1n`	`so how can I remove gui login then?`
`21:19.06`	`db`	`When I have Ubuntu it works, but now, on Debian, it doesn't work. I don't know why.`
`21:19.16`	`tarzeau`	`!nodm`
`21:19.17`	`dpkg`	`Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console`
`21:19.36`	`tarzeau`	`sophacles: try the one in sid?`
`21:19.44`	`tarzeau`	`sophacles: the one in experimental?`
`21:19.47`	`SimonRaven`	`xiaogil: there is no 'main user'. reinitialise? as in what exactly`
`21:19.52`	`h3xis`	`i just bought a router to connect two computers together to share a cable inet connection. i set up the router and everything is correct. the windows machine pulls an ip from the router and is able to access the internet fine but the debian box can't do it. it's like the cat5 cable isn't even there and i know the cable works because the lights come on. any ideas?`
`21:20.01`	`TwistedEmotions`	`I dont think I have a fN key... hm...`
`21:20.14`	`tarzeau`	`is there a kiosk howto with firefox? (the one i found is with mozilla or netscape of 1999)`
`21:20.16`	`sophacles`	`tarzeau, the last one i tried in sid did the same but its been about a week. i should prolly try again.`
`21:20.31`	`TwistedEmotions`	`h3xis: did you try to dhclient manually?`
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`21:20.38`	`tarzeau`	`sophacles: i tried the version of experimental today, worked fine (1.5 almost)`
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`21:21.10`	`h3xis`	`TwistedEmotions, i tried typing dhclient eth0 and it still didn't work, do i need to set something?`
`21:21.22`	`SimonRaven`	`h3xis: dhcp client. e.g., dhclient eth0. edit interfaces. /msg dpkg man interfaces; /msg dpkg interfaces`
`21:21.40`	`sophacles`	`tarzeau what is the apt.conf line for experimental?`
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`21:21.58`	`h3xis`	`TwistedEmotions, it goes through "intervals" to find an ip and can't`
`21:21.58`	`tarzeau`	`sophacles: deb ftp://debian.ethz.ch/debian/ experimental main non-free`
`21:22.12`	`SimonRaven`	`sophacles: /msg dpkg experimental`
`21:22.18`	`setnf`	`abrotman: can't find :/`
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`21:23.10`	`TwistedEmotions`	`h3xis: linsten to SimonRaven... try the interfaces thing..`
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`21:23.30`	`h3xis`	`i did`
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`21:24.08`	`nse`	`Hello everybody, how to copy to the clipboard a selected text (with mouse) in text mode?`
`21:24.38`	`TwistedEmotions`	`h3xis when you disconnect/connect the lan cord does console give you any messages about eth0?`
`21:24.55`	`abrotman`	`setnf: i'd use the floppies myself`
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`21:25.08`	`TwistedEmotions`	`Anyone know how to download a file from a computer that I am SSH'd into?`
`21:25.13`	`mommer`	`In my upgrade process, I get "'import site' failed; use -v for traceback". What should I do?`
`21:25.15`	`xiaogil`	`SimonRaven: i mean to give it the default configuration, i think removing all the content of the user drawer will do the job`
`21:25.20`	`TwistedEmotions`	`is wget the only way?`
`21:25.22`	`TwistedEmotions`	`;(`
`21:25.27`	`abrotman`	`scp`
`21:25.30`	`TwistedEmotions`	`ahh ty`
`21:25.58`	`h3xis`	`TwistedEmotions, i don't think so..but whenever i take the cat5 cable out of the router and plug it directly into the cable modem it works fine..i'm thinking i have to set something in resolv.conf so i'm trying a few things`
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`21:26.11`	`setnf`	`abrotman: http://bender.ecap.it/dwl/iso/debian/netinstall/ look the last one. seems it ok ?`
`21:26.46`	`nse`	`I'm receiving some strange and serious error msg when trying to log in as root, after the login question, before the password question this is appearing: configuration error - unknown item 'QUOTAS_ENAB' (notify administrator) configuration error - unknown item 'NOLOGIN_STR' (notify administrator) configuration error - unknown item 'ENV_HZ' (notify administrator) configuration error - unknown item 'PASS_MAX_LEN' (notify administrator) configuration error - unkno`
`21:26.46`	`nse`	`wn item 'CHFN_AUTH' (notify administrator) configuration error - unknown item 'CLOSE_SESSIONS' (notify administrator) I don't any idea on what to do now..`
`21:26.47`	`pinewood`	`Is there a way to keep a package from being removed during the update of another package?`
`21:26.58`	`SimonRaven`	`xiaogil: wipe the user's $HOME after making a backup of it, then cp over the stuff in /etc/skel`
`21:27.09`	`SimonRaven`	`nse: login package update....`
`21:27.20`	`SimonRaven`	`fuck, don't people read changelogs? sheesh`
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`21:27.48`	`froztbyte`	`does anyone here maybe have an onboard C-Media 91xx something sound chip`
`21:27.58`	`nse`	`SimonRaven: Yes it was uppgraded.. any troubles?`
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`21:28.01`	`SimonRaven`	`froztbyte: lspci`
`21:28.24`	`froztbyte`	`simonraven: not in debian at the moment, which is the reason i ask`
`21:28.26`	`SimonRaven`	`nse: yes, just make sure your /etc/login.defs is ok (which is where that error message comes from)`
`21:28.38`	`sophacles`	`ok so the sid version of firefox also stops. it just hangs for a while midway thru a connect() call... trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 any reason?`
`21:28.49`	`Drakeson`	`I tried to install a wiki, (apt-get), but now how can I configure it? (mediawiki)`
`21:28.49`	`xiaogil`	`SimonRaven: what do you mean then cp over the stuff in /etc/skel`
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`21:29.05`	`froztbyte`	`i've got no volume control (i've got two levels: FULL and n-o-t-h-i-n-g) with both ALSA and OSS`
`21:29.15`	`froztbyte`	`any idea how i can fix this?`
`21:29.29`	`SimonRaven`	`xiaogil: ls -l /etc/skel ; man adduser; pager /usr/sbin/adduser for clues`
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`21:29.50`	`SimonRaven`	`xiaogil: er, make that ls -lA`
`21:29.59`	`froztbyte`	`lemme clarify: i've got the applet running, but my mixer device doesnt affect any physical volume levels`
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`21:30.18`	`SimonRaven`	`GTG`
`21:30.30`	`stew`	`Drakeson: read /usr/share/doc/mediawiki/*`
`21:30.31`	`whitehorse1`	`Drakeson: read the install manual(s). that's not a five second issue`
`21:30.59`	`pinewood`	`I am trying to upgrade evolution and gnome-pilot but they both want to uninstall the kernel, anyone know a way around this?`
`21:31.32`	`froztbyte`	`lol`
`21:31.36`	`stew`	`pinewood: paste the entire transaction with the paster bot or into #flood`
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`21:31.48`	`stew`	`pinewood: and what version of debian are you running?`
`21:32.01`	`nse`	`SimonRaven: It seems to be ok, there are lots of comment lines, and some variables definitions. Is there anything I can do?`
`21:32.08`	`pinewood`	`stew: testing`
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`21:32.28`	`Drakeson`	`whitehorse1: says about http://www.myserver.org/config/index.php which is not available (yes I know myserver means my server)`
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`21:32.58`	`SimonRaven`	`nse: read /var/log/daemon.log for what you should comment out`
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`21:33.07`	`SimonRaven`	`see ya later`
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`21:35.36`	`pinewood`	`stew: http://rafb.net/paste/results/qCQYBG14.html`
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`21:36.52`	`nse`	`SimonRaven: I'm not very sure if I can understand what those lines means. Maybe waiting for another package upgrade fixing those bugs?`
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`21:41.14`	`nse`	`Do anybody know hot to copy to the clipboard a text which is selected, I'm in text mode and the text was selected with the mouse.`
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`21:41.57`	`mtnman`	`nse: if you're on console, mouse button 3`
`21:42.03`	`amphi`	`nse: middle click`
`21:42.22`	`mtnman`	`amphi: that is for X. i think he is in console`
`21:42.39`	`jkern`	`nse, is gpm installed dpkg -s gpm`
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`21:42.53`	`amphi`	`mtnman: huh? gpm uses middle button here`
`21:43.05`	`trogger`	`if I want to remap some keys using xmodmap, where does the configuration file live in Debian to do this?`
`21:43.12`	`mtnman`	`jkern: he said that he selected text. that seems to indicate that gpm is running.`
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`21:43.54`	`mtnman`	`amphi: well, it is configurable, but ,iirc, button3 is default paste for gpm.`
`21:44.01`	`amphi`	`trogger: stick it in ~/.Xmodmap and call xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap from your ~/.xsession`
`21:44.09`	`trogger`	`amphi: thanks a lot.`
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`21:44.42`	`nse`	`mtnman, amphi: My mouse have 2 buttons only. :S`
`21:45.00`	`takatumi`	`nse: click 'em both.`
`21:45.04`	`amphi`	`nse: then use right button (3)`
`21:45.09`	`mtnman`	`nse: second button is 3. odd, but 1&2 together is usually button2`
`21:45.10`	`jkern`	`nse, I think you can do it with both at once.`
`21:45.15`	`dsfas`	`Hey, How can I register a channel on freenode?`
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`21:45.23`	`Fusionfox`	`.`
`21:45.27`	`mtnman`	`correction 1&3=2`
`21:45.28`	`amphi`	`mtnman: button 2 here by default`
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`21:45.41`	`atrus`	`nse: the text is copied as long as it's selected. pressing the middle button (or 1 and 2 together, if gpm is configured to emulate a 3rd button) will paste. 'dpkg-reconfigure gpm' if you need to configure it to do this.`
`21:45.46`	`mtnman`	`amphi: you have probably changed the default at some point.`
`21:45.52`	`amphi`	`mtnman: nope`
`21:45.58`	`mtnman`	`amphi: how many buttons on your mouse?`
`21:46.01`	`amphi`	`3`
`21:46.04`	`mtnman`	`odd`
`21:46.21`	`amphi`	`it's a stinkpad trackpoint`
`21:46.25`	`mtnman`	`amphi: perhaps because of some answers you gave at install time`
`21:46.31`	`dsfas`	`Hey`
`21:46.35`	`amphi`	`mtnman: apt-get install gpm ;)`
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`21:46.40`	`dsfas`	`How can I register a server on freenode?`
`21:46.44`	`mtnman`	`amphi: dunno nothing about thinkpad`
`21:46.55`	`dsfas`	`I need a server`
`21:47.00`	`adi_`	`hello`
`21:47.07`	`mtnman`	`amphi: iirc, there is a post-installation script which prompts you`
`21:47.08`	`dsfas`	`not server, I mean channel`
`21:47.10`	`takatumi`	`dsfas: #freenode`
`21:47.16`	`mtnman`	`amphi: in any case, lets drop it.`
`21:47.21`	`adi_`	`amule returns this "Your 4662 port is not reachable. Please review your network config." , i have no firewall, i'm directly connected to internet`
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`21:47.26`	`adi_`	`what the heck ?`
`21:47.27`	`takatumi`	`dsfas: or msg chanserv`
`21:47.28`	`amphi`	`mtnman: not for which button, just protocol, repeater stuff, etc.`
`21:47.34`	`MrBallZ`	`ok, I have like 4 hours trying to get my damn winmodem to work is an intel winmodem in my laptop , i've tried with the slam drivers, but still no luck, what can i do`
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`21:47.58`	`nse`	`the text selected is automatically in the clipboard, the right buttom paste it.`
`21:48.05`	`amphi`	`MrBallZ: it might be a connexant ;(`
`21:48.11`	`mtnman`	`nse: right button is 3`
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`21:48.52`	`mtnman`	`nse: 1+2 simultaneously is button2`
`21:49.01`	`amphi`	`MrBallZ: I have this one Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 01)`
`21:49.16`	`mtnman`	`nse: correction 1+3=button2`
`21:49.29`	`nse`	`Every time when we're working at any system things will be like this? Any selected text is automatically in the clipboard ?`
`21:49.34`	`MrBallZ`	`mine im sure its intel`
`21:49.39`	`amphi`	`MrBallZ: and neither slamr nor the alsa driver would work`
`21:49.45`	`atrus`	`nse: you appear to be correct. mtnman and amphi seem to be arguing the same point with slightly different vocabularies :)`
`21:49.51`	`takatumi`	`MrBallZ: the chip is what matters, figure that out.`
`21:49.58`	`mtnman`	`nse: normally,yes, but it can probably be configured.`
`21:50.21`	`mtnman`	`atrus: i dunno what amphi is saying`
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`21:50.33`	`amphi`	`MrBallZ: mine has an evil Conexant mc97 codec`
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`21:50.43`	`LightVision`	`hello`
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`21:51.02`	`amphi`	`MrBallZ: the scanmodem utility will tell you; or you could just try the free (slow) linuxant driver`
`21:51.02`	`atrus`	`nse: it is the standard behavior to copy-on-select. under X you usually have a second clipboard that's only changed when you explicitly select "edit:copy"`
`21:51.11`	`nse`	`The clipboard don't seems to be one to the whole system, there are different clipboards at different cv's ?`
`21:51.22`	`mtnman`	`cv?`
`21:51.31`	`LightVision`	`Im trying to install Amarok, but it says; amarok cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package kdemultimedia-dev can satisfy version requirements! Do I need to upgrade kdemultimedia-dev?`
`21:51.32`	`mtnman`	`do you mean vc?`
`21:51.48`	`amphi`	`vt?`
`21:51.50`	`atrus`	`nse: selecting text on one terminal and pasting it in another should work.`
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`21:52.07`	`nse`	`mtnman: yes, but i don't know what this means, i heard sometone using this word.. i want to mean when you press ctrl+alt+f2 to go to another login, in text mode`
`21:52.12`	`frangor`	`Hola`
`21:52.19`	`mtnman`	`nse: that is a virual console`
`21:52.24`	`takatumi`	`atrus: sure?`
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`21:52.32`	`LightVision`	`frangor: try #Debian-Spain`
`21:52.35`	`atrus`	`nse: you probabbly can't copy and pastie between text (vc/vt) and graphics mode (X)`
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`21:52.40`	`mtnman`	`debian-es`
`21:52.55`	`atrus`	`takatumi: it works here. gpm handles copy/paste between terms fine. just not playing along with X.`
`21:53.01`	`mtnman`	`atrus: pasting across vc's works here.`
`21:53.09`	`LightVision`	`frangor: try #debian-es`
`21:53.11`	`atrus`	`mtnman: that's what i said.`
`21:53.17`	`nse`	`atrus: What does does names mean; vc/vt; virtual-console and virtual-terminal ?`
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`21:53.34`	`atrus`	`nse: correct. different vocabularies, same things.`
`21:53.41`	`mtnman`	`nse: linux calls them virual consoles.`
`21:54.00`	`takatumi`	`atrus: mine doesn't work, framebuffer related probably.`
`21:54.05`	`chealer`	`LightVision, how are you trying?`
`21:54.06`	`mtnman`	`nse: i guess an xterm window could be a virtual terminal.`
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`21:54.19`	`atrus`	`takatumi: odd. i'm on a framebuffer and it works. could be a gpm config issue?`
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`21:55.13`	`LightVision`	`chealer: what exactly is kdemultimedia-dev?`
`21:55.23`	`chealer`	`LightVision, a dev package`
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`21:56.04`	`LightVision`	`chealer: when I type apt-get install kdemultimedia-dev, it wants to install 29 new packages! What dev package is this exactly?`
`21:56.18`	`nse`	`Hmmm.. I'm receiving some strange erros when trying to log in with any user, login was recently upgraded, maybe it's crap. something to do with this: configuration error - unknown item 'QUOTAS_ENAB' (notify administrator) configuration error - unknown item 'NOLOGIN_STR' (notify administrator)`
`21:56.42`	`chealer`	`LightVision, I don't know what to tell you. look at the package description`
`21:57.02`	`LightVision`	`chealer: how do I look at the package description?`
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`21:57.19`	`mtnman`	`lightvision: apt-cache show foopkg`
`21:57.27`	`jkern`	`LightVision, apt-cache show packagename`
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`21:58.04`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`i am trying to install debian into proline 2500 but this doesnt recognize the all memory just reco`
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`21:58.15`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`16mb`
`21:58.28`	`LightVision`	`mtnman: thanks`
`21:58.33`	`LightVision`	`jkern: ty`
`21:58.40`	`mtnman`	`lightvision: you're welcome`
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`21:58.45`	`LightVision`	`chealer: you were not much help at all`
`21:58.47`	`takatumi`	`atrus: hmm, repeated clicking seems to do it, didn't know.`
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`21:59.14`	`nse`	`Do anybody know what to do with this problem with the login upgrade; Is there anything I can do? Are those error crucial to the system?`
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`21:59.20`	`chealer`	`poor guy`
`21:59.45`	`Edwin_Quijada`	`what is the boot loader to set memory to 512`
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`22:00.11`	`mtnman`	`nse: dunno. plug the error msg into a google search...`
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`22:01.24`	`migiel`	`i've got 1.5 GB ram in my pc, but it only uses 883.66 MB, do i need to compile something in my kernel?`
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`22:01.40`	`amphi`	`migiel: bigmem support - 4GB`
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`22:01.58`	`migiel`	`amphi: ok thanks`
`22:02.04`	`mtnman`	`migiel: if you run lilo, you may need an "append=" line`
`22:02.05`	`_keroppi_`	`If I'm adding my own /etc/init.d script, after putting it in /etc/init.d and making it executable, what do I do to get it to run on bootup?`
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`22:02.20`	`migiel`	`mtnman: i use grub`
`22:02.24`	`thingfish`	`migiel: which kernel are you running?`
`22:02.27`	`mtnman`	`_keroppi_: man update-rc.d`
`22:02.32`	`atrus`	`nse: never seen that personally. the only references to it i've found on google say it went away after an upgrade. is everything on your system up-to-date? ('apt-get update; apt-get upgrade')`
`22:02.39`	`migiel`	`thingfish: 2.6.13.2`
`22:02.40`	`mtnman`	`migiel: i'm sure grub has an equivalent.`
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`22:02.48`	`amphi`	`migiel: just building a kernel with 4GB mem support worked for me, no kernel args required`
`22:02.56`	`dhruv`	`i have a usb hard drive that works great on one computer, but fails on another (one which I built my own kernel). sd_mod is installed in the kernel and usb-storage is loaded as a module, am I missing something?`
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`22:03.03`	`migiel`	`amphi: ok, i'll try that first`
`22:03.12`	`thingfish`	`migiel: so one you cooked yourself?`
`22:03.17`	`_keroppi_`	`mtnman: ohhhh, but can you do it for me? I'll give you a login to my.... hahaha just kidding, thanks for the tip`
`22:03.19`	`migiel`	`thingfish: indeed`
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`22:03.43`	`mtnman`	`_keroppi_: you're welcome.`
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`22:04.03`	`nse`	`atrus: Yes it is. But i recently installed and cofigured Balsa (Gnome mail client) to work with a POP3 server, and somebody here pointed me to a file related to login which says a lot of stuff about mail variables.. maybe something to do with mail is my problem.`
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`22:04.55`	`atrus`	`nse: could be. outside my field of expertise. if you made changes to /etc/login.defs i'd try undoing them.`
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`22:05.41`	`SammyTheSnake`	`I've got a weird problem with a CD-ROM drive, can anyone help me reset it without having to reboot the comptuer it's plugged into? (or direct me to a better suited irc room, maybe?)`
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`22:06.19`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: man hdparm may have the answer`
`22:06.20`	`TwistedEmotions`	`SammyTheSnake: reset the cd drive?`
`22:06.36`	`TwistedEmotions`	`SammyTheSnake: eject?`
`22:06.37`	`nse`	`atrus: I didn't. That is exactly the file that someone pointed me to. He said fot me to uncomment some lines after reading a big log about some stuff that I don't know what is, this fil was really very complicated and I have not enough knowledge to understand it, so I don't know what to do..`
`22:06.46`	`tarzeau`	`!seen greycat`
`22:06.47`	`dpkg`	`greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 15d 8h 11m 53s ago, saying: ':sniff:'.`
`22:06.58`	`SammyTheSnake`	`TwistedEmotions: the access light's on, but nothing happens when I press the eject button and trying to mount just gives me "no media" errors :s`
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`22:07.18`	`TwistedEmotions`	`SammyTheSnake: sudo eject sais what?`
`22:07.28`	`dbron`	`tarzeau: where has greycat been?`
`22:07.35`	`tarzeau`	`dbron: i don't know`
`22:07.43`	`SammyTheSnake`	`TwistedEmotions: I think if I can get the kernel to reinitialise it it might work`
`22:07.47`	`dbron`	`tarzeau: that's a long time`
`22:07.54`	`tarzeau`	`dbron: yes indeed it is`
`22:07.54`	`SammyTheSnake`	TwistedEmotions: eject: unable to open `/dev/scd0'
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`22:08.07`	`SammyTheSnake`	`though it's actually an IDE device`
`22:08.09`	`g4ivanF`	`apt-get is having trouble installing gdk-imlib11, apparently it wants to overwrite a file provided for by gdk-imlib2`
`22:08.12`	`TwistedEmotions`	`SammyTheSnake: Errr... ;(`
`22:08.12`	`atrus`	`nse: yeah, i would undo any changes he had you do there. that's not a file that normally needs tweaking. definately not to get balsa working.`
`22:08.19`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: man hdparm lists a -w flag, which performs reset. they warn that it is dangerous.`
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`22:08.46`	`nse`	`atrus: I didn't do any change there.`
`22:08.48`	`TwistedEmotions`	`!seen hitler`
`22:08.48`	`dpkg`	`i haven't seen 'hitler', TwistedEmotions`
`22:08.48`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mtnman: that might be my best bet :)`
`22:08.57`	`TwistedEmotions`	`hmm.. just checking...`
`22:08.57`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: how did the bubbles go?`
`22:09.08`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: man hdparm and read the warning before performing it.`
`22:09.16`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mtnman: will do`
`22:09.32`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: funny`
`22:09.38`	`atrus`	`nse: hm. everything i've read about those errors revolves around that file. the variables named there are configuration options in that file.`
`22:09.38`	`g4ivanF`	`how to I tell apt-get to go ahead and install the package anyways.`
`22:09.50`	`mtnman`	`apt-get -f`
`22:10.14`	`atrus`	`nse: are those two , 'NOLOGIN_STR' and 'QUOTAS_ENAB' the only ones mentioned?`
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`22:10.40`	`ch`	`i've install a chroot, but when I enter it, I can't access my other partitions. in my chroot, my /etc/fstab is empty. Could that be the reason why I can't access my partitions?`
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`22:10.57`	`atrus`	`nse: paste your login.defs file at the following address:`
`22:10.59`	`atrus`	`dpkg tell nse about pastebin`
`22:11.08`	`mtnman`	`ch: that is the purpose of chroot.`
`22:11.11`	`xnet`	`what do i do with a .cue file?`
`22:11.13`	`xeroso`	`how i can format a partition?`
`22:11.33`	`mtnman`	`xeroso: man mkfs`
`22:11.34`	`ch`	`mtnman, What do you mean?`
`22:11.54`	`mtnman`	`ch: the idea of chroot is that you are not able to access anything outside of it.`
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`22:12.09`	`g4ivanF`	`mtman: apt-get -f doesn't work in this case.`
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`22:12.38`	`mtnman`	`g4ivanF: first of all, your nick is a pain to type, and i don't have completion.`
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`22:12.52`	`tarzeau`	`if i was debian, new maintainer check would be like http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-nm.png`
`22:12.59`	`mtnman`	`secondly, you need more command-line options`
`22:13.27`	`nse`	`atrus: those are mentioned: QUOTAS_ENAB NOLOGIN_STR ENV_HZ PASS_MAX_LEN CHFN_AUTH CLOSE_SESSIONS`
`22:13.28`	`mommer`	`"Looking for enabled languages (this may take some time) ...". Any estimates?`
`22:13.30`	`mtnman`	`apt-get -f install foopkg, for example`
`22:13.32`	`ch`	`mtnman: What about if I run something like OpenOffice and I need to access some files located somewhere else. I can't?`
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`22:13.39`	`nse`	`atrus: I'll paste my file there.. wait a sec...`
`22:13.54`	`mtnman`	`ch: why would you put openoffice in a chroot?`
`22:14.18`	`mtnman`	`ch: i'm really not an expert on chroot, i suggest you look for a howto at tldp.org or elsewhere.`
`22:14.28`	`ch`	`mtnman, Okay`
`22:14.40`	`atrus`	`nse: also, what else did he have you change exactly?`
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`22:15.28`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: you should've ended it on 42.`
`22:15.30`	`atrus`	`nse: i can tell you that most of those aren't even mentioned in my login.defs. the ones that are are commented out.`
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`22:15.41`	`g4i`	`mtnman: well I've tried apt-get -f install and apt-get -f install gdk-imlib11, and I've tried apt-get -f --purge remove gdk-imlib2.`
`22:15.53`	`mtnman`	`phone call`
`22:15.59`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: what about you open it in ms-paint and connect the lines?`
`22:16.08`	`atrus`	`takatumi: it ends on 43, btw :)`
`22:16.14`	`nse`	`atrus: I didn't do anythig he told me to do, I mean he told me to look upon a file to understand what to do, then to change something in login;defs`
`22:16.22`	`atrus`	`takatumi: oh, nm. a blind fool is me.`
`22:16.28`	`takatumi`	`tarzeau: answer to life and everything else. :P`
`22:16.28`	`SammyTheSnake`	`you`
`22:16.31`	`nse`	`atrus: My file is therre.`
`22:16.38`	`tarzeau`	`takatumi: see, that happens when you got no life`
`22:17.55`	`mtnman`	`g4i: okay, you tried those things, but you didn't say what the result was.`
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`22:18.18`	`xnet`	`how to i mount an image onto a vertual drive in debain?`
`22:18.21`	`nse`	`see you later...`
`22:18.36`	`atrus`	`nse: i dunno. you could try commenting out those lines that mention those variables, but i don't really know what it will do. I also don't know how you got a file that mentioned them, because mine doesn't, and i haven't fiddled with it that i recall. so there might be something bigger going on than i understand.`
`22:18.51`	`dondelelcaro`	`xnet: you mean just mount an image? mount -o loop fooimg foomountpoint`
`22:19.00`	`nvz`	`the answer to life is more likely 46`
`22:19.00`	`mtnman`	`hey don`
`22:19.04`	`dondelelcaro`	`mtnman: sup`
`22:19.11`	`xnet`	`nvz: its 42`
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`22:19.15`	`nvz`	`b.s.`
`22:19.21`	`xnet`	`thanks dondel`
`22:19.25`	`mtnman`	`the snowpack. two feet this week`
`22:19.32`	`dondelelcaro`	`mtnman: damn`
`22:19.41`	`dondelelcaro`	`mtnman: that's insane this early, isn't it?`
`22:19.46`	`mtnman`	`don: i'd say "hot damn`
`22:19.55`	`mtnman`	`" but cold would be more apropos`
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`22:20.10`	`atrus`	`42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life the universe and everything. tho specificity be the enemy of unity.`
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`22:20.48`	`mtnman`	`dondelelcaro: you just never know. it's unusually early, but not by much, and not unheard of. we've had 2 feet on july 4th several times.`
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`22:21.10`	`MrXerox`	`Hey guys, Im trying to run a "apt-get build-dep libxine1" and getting a "E: Build-dependencies for libxine1 could not be satisfied." Any way to find out what dependencies I need?`
`22:21.18`	`nvz`	`its 46 you've been had`
`22:21.52`	`takatumi`	`nvz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Answer_to_Life.png wikipedia can't be wrong!?!`
`22:21.54`	`mtnman`	`atrus: 42 is the answer, but the question has never been fully specified.`
`22:22.06`	`dondelelcaro`	`mtnman: ah... yeah, you guys are pretty high up. Here it's rare that we have snow before thanksgiving`
`22:22.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`(in big bear)`
`22:22.20`	`dondelelcaro`	`(it's also a lot drier here)`
`22:22.25`	`mtnman`	`!mtnman`
`22:22.26`	`dpkg`	`mtnman lives at 9600 feet above sea-level.`
`22:22.26`	`atrus`	`mtnman: sure it has. "what do you get when you multiply 6 times 9?".`
`22:22.38`	`lewis`	`hey fellas what's the name of the package menuconfig/xconfig`
`22:22.40`	`mtnman`	`uh 54?`
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`22:22.45`	`dondelelcaro`	`which baase?`
`22:22.50`	`lewis`	`etch`
`22:22.52`	`atrus`	`mtnman: indeed.`
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`22:22.56`	`mtnman`	`dondelelcaro: excellent point!`
`22:23.18`	`mtnman`	`dondelelcaro: try base 42 :)`
`22:23.32`	`Guerin`	`there's yer unity`
`22:23.35`	`SammyTheSnake`	`thus proving that mice have 13 fingers`
`22:23.57`	`dondelelcaro`	`or 13 wiskers`
`22:24.04`	`atrus`	`mtnman: time to re-read the books :). but for the record, douglas adams said something along the lines of "that was just a coincidence. anyone who writes jokes in base 13 needs to get a life".`
`22:24.11`	`mtnman`	`atrus: at the risk of going way off-topic, what does 42 have to do with 6 times 9 ?`
`22:24.15`	`SammyTheSnake`	`shrug if they count on their whiskers, just maybe :)`
`22:24.28`	`g4i`	`mtman: well, apt-get -f install still craps out on the overwrite error, so does apt-get -f install gdk-imlib11, and apt-get -f --purge remove gdk-imlib2 gives me an unmet dependicies error and a suggestion to to try apt-get -f install which didn't work.`
`22:24.38`	`mtnman`	`atrus: it has been quite a while...`
`22:24.42`	`dondelelcaro`	`!force overwrite`
`22:24.50`	`atrus`	`mtnman: that would seem to be the ultimate follow-up question.`
`22:24.58`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mtnman: the answer to that question is given by arthur dent's next comment "I always thought there was something fundamentally wrong with the world" (or something like that)`
`22:25.00`	`dondelelcaro`	`!force overwrite is <reply> see force-overwrite`
`22:25.00`	`dpkg`	`okay, dondelelcaro`
`22:25.03`	`dondelelcaro`	`!force-overwrite`
`22:25.03`	`dpkg`	`The reason you have been told to use --force-overwrite is because some packages in unstable are buggy and either have missing Conflicts: or contain files that they shouldn't. Check the BTS and make sure that a bug has been filed about the package in question (ask me about <bts>) then run dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/.deb or apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <foopackagename>;`
`22:25.14`	`mtnman`	`g4i: "craps up" is not a substitute for an error message.`
`22:25.52`	`Lanix`	`[play] <defunct> << can someonetell what that is ?`
`22:26.11`	`Guerin`	`Lanix: it's some words surrounded by brackets`
`22:26.42`	`scx`	`*scx has saw Naqoiqatsi again, and wants u to recomend it to you. (if You havn't seen it yet ) http://qatsi.org`
`22:27.00`	`Lanix`	`ho how nice`
`22:27.06`	`SammyTheSnake`	`back on topic - I tried a few incantations and now the CDROM drive's access light is out, and if I open it with the magic paperclip, it closes itself (which it didn't before) but mounting now says "mount: error while guessing filesystem type" and freezes :(`
`22:27.07`	`Lanix`	`thanks for the 411 on that :-)`
`22:27.17`	`g4i`	`mtnman: sorry about that, but I will try dondelelcaro's instruction about apt-get -o.`
`22:27.41`	`mtnman`	`g4i: no problem. please be more specific in the future.`
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`22:29.23`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: uh, what is in the tray?`
`22:29.32`	`SammyTheSnake`	`a CD :p`
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`22:29.43`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: no kidding. data or audio?`
`22:29.50`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mtnman: data`
`22:30.17`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: any chance it is corrupted?`
`22:30.45`	`froztbyte`	`mtnman: more likely drive firmware burnt, lol`
`22:30.54`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mtnman: not likely, it's worked before and it's been sitting untouched for a while. It's not a CDR(/W) but a factory CD`
`22:31.00`	`samuel`	`anyone here use binfmt-support ?`
`22:31.23`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: perhaps if you specify the type? what command do you invoke to mount the drive?`
`22:31.35`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mount /dev/hdc /mnt/tmp`
`22:31.46`	`samuel`	`is binfmt-support built in to the default debian kernel?`
`22:31.56`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: try mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/tmp`
`22:32.01`	`SammyTheSnake`	`I think it's actually erroring trying to access the drive, it gives the error before it spins up`
`22:32.27`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: have you done any unplugging/replugging of the drivees cables?`
`22:33.11`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mtnman: nope (last time I did that the ATX power supply got upset and I thought I'd killed it for a mo, so I'm not really up for trying it again! :D)`
`22:33.37`	`SammyTheSnake`	`hmm, I appear to have four "mount" processes in state "D" (defunkt?)`
`22:33.46`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: try with -t iso9660`
`22:34.04`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: defuct processes are nothing to worry about.`
`22:34.11`	`error403`	`I installed the realtek ALSA drivers today, and first boot they worked fine, but now i get "FATAL: Error inserting snd_intel8x0 (/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko): Invalid module format" every time it tries to load the drivers... Any ideas?`
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`22:34.20`	`SammyTheSnake`	`I'll try specifying the fs type`
`22:34.47`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: first, check if you have ide-cdrom and cdrom modules loaded.`
`22:35.15`	`SammyTheSnake`	`# mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/tmp`
`22:35.15`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /mnt/tmp busy`
`22:35.18`	`caphuso`	`mtnman: if he didn't, mount would fail with a "no such device" error`
`22:35.30`	`mtnman`	`caphuso: good point.`
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`22:35.47`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mtnman: caphuso: correct`
`22:36.09`	`Guerin`	`egon_spengler: uname -r`
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`22:36.13`	`Guerin`	`bah`
`22:36.15`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: do a "mount" to see if hdc is mounted on /mnt/tmp`
`22:36.16`	`SammyTheSnake`	`ofs`
`22:36.17`	`Guerin`	`error403: uname -r`
`22:36.23`	`SammyTheSnake`	`(oops, wrong window)`
`22:36.48`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: or, for that matter, if anything is mounted on /mnt/tmp`
`22:37.07`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mount doesn't seem to think so, I'm just waiting for lsof to say what's going on with /mnt/tmp`
`22:37.10`	`egon_spengler`	`!uname -r`
`22:37.16`	`Azar`	`error403, maybe you need to upgrade and tweak some more settings with modconf, to fine tune that mess`
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`22:37.25`	`error403`	`Guerin, I'm running 2.6.12-1-k7... But the drivers loaded fine the first time, and i NEED a kernel that new to make my network interface work...`
`22:37.37`	`egon_spengler`	`2.6.12-12mdk`
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`22:37.50`	`BeBoo`	`Heya. I'm trying to compile clamav without --disable-clamuko, using apt-src. But how can i change the configure arguments, so it doesn't add --disable-clamuko?`
`22:37.54`	`error403`	`Azar, but i didnt change anything in between boots, and the first time it worked great... :S`
`22:37.58`	`Azar`	`hmm everyone went boldly with not supported kernels, or testing`
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`22:38.31`	`SammyTheSnake`	`lsof doesn't mention /mnt/tmp anywhere`
`22:38.32`	`error403`	`Azar, like i said, that kernel is the OLDEST that will support my network interface`
`22:38.33`	`Azar`	`error403, my knowledge stops at the precompiled 2.6.8, everything after that has its mistery`
`22:38.35`	`egon_spengler`	`Guerin: Why the uname curiosity?`
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`22:39.02`	`error403`	`egon_spengler, was meant for me`
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`22:39.04`	`Azar`	`error403, I am coward, never dare to go beyond my sarge provides`
`22:39.05`	`error403`	`:P`
`22:39.12`	`egon_spengler`	`Aye`
`22:39.13`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: iirc, your hardware was in an unusual state, and you have not rebooted... correct?`
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`22:39.27`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mtnman: that's what I think`
`22:39.41`	`error403`	`Azar, I'm a coward, until it affects usability... If i cant use half my computer because the kernel is fossilised, im gonna get a newer one`
`22:40.02`	`BeBoo`	`How can i compile clamav without the --disable-clamuko option, and still using dpkg/apt-get? :)`
`22:40.05`	`error403`	`"Linux - stable as fuck, but you're screwed if you bought a computer in the last 3 months"`
`22:40.11`	`Azar`	`error403, so I understand that your ethernet driver hiccuped when you went for 2.6.x kernel?`
`22:40.14`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: usually, i do not recommend this, but since it seems like it might be a hw issue, a reboot may be in order. i suggest powering down completely.`
`22:40.15`	`stew`	`BeBoo: /msg dpkg source`
`22:40.19`	`tarzeau`	`BeBoo: apt-get source clamav`
`22:40.28`	`stew`	`BeBoo: and /msg dpkg debian/rules`
`22:40.32`	`error403`	`Azar, no, my ethernet driver was non-existant pre-2.6.12`
`22:40.37`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: cold-boot rather than warm.`
`22:40.47`	`error403`	`Azar, very new computer...`
`22:40.52`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mtnman: yeah, that's the conclusion I was coming to. I just thought it might be something that could be fixed by clever incantations :p`
`22:40.57`	`Azar`	`error403, same my friend so I made him reinstall starting with woody, having his network fixed this way then upgrade to sarge and upgrade to 2.6, now everything is fine`
`22:41.07`	`Azar`	`ah`
`22:41.08`	`BeBoo`	`thankyou stew :)`
`22:41.08`	`Azar`	`strange`
`22:41.10`	`error403`	`Azar, Abit AN8 Ultra (NForce 4) with integrated Gigabit LAN`
`22:41.10`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: sometimes the simpler solution is the more clever one.`
`22:41.16`	`Azar`	`dlink or via-rhine?`
`22:41.22`	`Azar`	`omg, nice`
`22:41.27`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mtnman: yeah, but if there's a complex solution to discover, it's worth a try :)`
`22:41.42`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: sometimes yes, sometimes no.`
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`22:42.01`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mtnman: if I was in a hurry, I would've just rebooted by now :)`
`22:42.01`	`error403`	`Azar, I'm confused... Seems like a difference between "driver issues" and "non-existant driver" for the network - the latter in my case...`
`22:42.04`	`Azar`	`ok, error403, ask dpkg about Adrian Bunk's module fixer`
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`22:42.26`	`mtnman`	`sammythesnake: it is a matter of balancing the possible gained knowledge vs. the time and aggravation in gaining said knowledge.`
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`22:42.41`	`lewis`	`hey fellas... what's exactly the qt package that allows me to use xconfig?`
`22:42.48`	`error403`	`Azar, i dont get anything for that...`
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`22:43.10`	`SiD3WiNDR`	`anyone have experience in debian on sparc - more specifically on a sun netra x1 ? I just booted the sarge netinstall cd and it doesn't find the cd nor the harddisk`
`22:43.16`	`streuner`	`!listvals xconfig`
`22:43.18`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'xconfig' by value (2): wish ;; kernel compiling.`
`22:43.26`	`streuner`	`!kernel compiling`
`22:43.27`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, kernel compiling is Download Kernel. Untar in /usr/src/. Make symlink linux to the name of the kernel directory. cd into the kernel directory. Aply patches. make-kpkg --config [xconfig,menuconfig] kernel_image`
`22:43.38`	`mtnman`	`#debian-sparc`
`22:43.40`	`liable`	`SiD3WiNDR: try both kernels?`
`22:43.42`	`abrotman`	`!sparc`
`22:43.42`	`dpkg`	`well, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc`
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`22:44.14`	`Azar`	`not sure if this is related but read the documentation in the link, when I had a .ko module type issue, this helped me:`
`22:44.15`	`Azar`	`<dpkg> well, bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at (Link: http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html)http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>.`
`22:44.17`	`stew`	`lewis: its in the suggests: line of the kernel source pacakge`
`22:44.33`	`streuner`	`lewis: libqt3-dev or such`
`22:44.55`	`SiD3WiNDR`	`liable: ahm, I booted the default (...-sparc64)`
`22:44.59`	`SiD3WiNDR`	`let's try the other one`
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`22:45.06`	`stew`	`!xconfig is <reply> if you wish to make xconfig you must first install build-essential and libqt3-mt-dev`
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`22:45.07`	`dpkg`	`...but xconfig is already something else...`
`22:45.07`	`SiD3WiNDR`	`and thanks abrotman`
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`22:45.20`	`stew`	`!xconfig`
`22:45.20`	`dpkg`	`xconfig is, like, for kernels in the 2.4 series and earlier, apt-get install tk8.3, or for 2.6 and newer kernels, apt-get install libqt-dev (woody) or libqt3-dev (sarge or sid), or for GNOME-heads, see gconfig`
`22:45.38`	`error403`	`menuconfig is better...`
`22:45.40`	`error403`	`:P`
`22:45.43`	`error403`	`my opinion`
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`22:46.03`	`liable`	`lewis: try libqt3-dev`
`22:46.03`	`Elly`	`hey guys, what's the easiest way to create a bootable CD-image?`
`22:46.15`	`abrotman`	`to install debian ?`
`22:46.23`	`Elly`	`no, just to use`
`22:46.26`	`SammyTheSnake`	`error403: lightweight, cat .config \| sed -e 'stuff' > .config`
`22:46.28`	`Elly`	`just a barebones live cd with a few apps on it`
`22:46.46`	`abrotman`	`lfs?`
`22:46.51`	`Azar`	`Elly you can use the 1st Debian CD for that`
`22:46.52`	`Guerin`	`BeBoo: see if there's an additional package, or apt--get source, edit the makefile and build your own package`
`22:46.52`	`error403`	`SammyTheSnake, i meant better, while still being usable...`
`22:46.55`	`error403`	`:P`
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`22:47.01`	`Elly`	`Azar, the first debian CD doesn't have some stuff I want`
`22:47.07`	`abrotman`	`like?`
`22:47.11`	`Elly`	`what this is really going to be is booting from a USB stick in an emulator`
`22:47.16`	`Elly`	`well, a couple of games`
`22:47.18`	`Elly`	`and irssi`
`22:47.26`	`Azar`	`:) omg nice`
`22:47.39`	`fbi`	`is there a curses audio player that will play entire directories recursively? it seems mpg321 and mplayer will only play the audio files in a given directory, not the subdirectories`
`22:47.43`	`Elly`	`so, what's the best way to do that?`
`22:47.57`	`stew`	`Elly: the bootcd package`
`22:47.57`	`takatumi`	`Elly: bootcd?`
`22:48.20`	`Guerin`	`fbi: cplay, or use mpg321 with find`
`22:48.35`	`fbi`	`ah cheers`
`22:48.41`	`Elly`	`1GB USB stick, formatted FAT32 + qemu binaries for Windows and Linux + a linux image + a persistent /home :D`
`22:48.42`	`fbi`	`i knew there was a way`
`22:49.08`	`error403`	`Azar, you reckon i should use that link you gave me, upgrade the alsa crap, see if it screws my system up even more?`
`22:49.18`	`lewis`	`shoot even menuconfig doesn't work`
`22:49.35`	`abrotman`	`!gnome menus`
`22:49.36`	`stew`	`lewis: for menuconfig install libncurses5-dev and build-essential`
`22:49.36`	`abrotman`	`!gnome menu`
`22:49.37`	`dpkg`	`[gnome menu] install menu-xdg`
`22:49.40`	`Guerin`	`!doesn't work`
`22:49.41`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.`
`22:49.50`	`Elly`	`bootcd is almost what I want`
`22:49.53`	`liable`	`Elly: you need to use syslinux to make it bootable, check the sarge install guide, it tells you how to install onto a usb stick.`
`22:49.53`	`error403`	`Azar, bearing in mind most of the advice is "Upgrade to Sarge", which i am already using...`
`22:50.03`	`[Cadet]`	`lewis: apt-get build-dep kernel_you_want_to_build`
`22:50.15`	`Elly`	`I do not want the USB stick bootable`
`22:50.19`	`liable`	`Elly: to make linux bootable anyway..`
`22:50.22`	`Elly`	`I just want to be able to fire up an emulator from it`
`22:50.31`	`lewis`	`got the libncurses5-dev and buildessential`
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`22:50.48`	`lewis`	`apt-get build-dep... hmm`
`22:50.48`	`SammyTheSnake`	`elly: just stick the stuff on there, then. you'll be able to access it with just about any OS`
`22:50.49`	`abrotman`	`i guess that might apply to kde too`
`22:51.01`	`Elly`	`SammyTheSnake, right, but I need a bootable image that I can boot in qemu`
`22:51.06`	`Elly`	`which is why I'm trying to assemble one`
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`22:51.21`	`Elly`	`I want to have a standalone linux system that I can carry around with me on the stick and fire up in an emulator anywhere`
`22:51.33`	`SammyTheSnake`	`elly: just use a normal installation CD and install linux in qemu`
`22:51.49`	`Elly`	`hmmm`
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`22:51.58`	`Elly`	`in that case it may prove best not to use debian`
`22:52.02`	`Elly`	`I want a really, really small distro`
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`22:52.11`	`SammyTheSnake`	`elly: there are 100s to choose from :)`
`22:52.12`	`error403`	`You know what, i might just say "fuck it" and enable the "testing" repo in sources.list, then apt-get dist-upgrade`
`22:52.24`	`dondelelcaro`	`Elly: you should have no problem getting an image to ~40M using cdebootstrap and minimal`
`22:52.31`	`SammyTheSnake`	`error403: I did exactly that quite some time ago :)`
`22:52.39`	`Azar`	`error403, yes that article is old is all that came to my mind when you said you got an error related to a .ko module`
`22:52.43`	`error403`	`SammyTheSnake, any problems from it?`
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`22:52.54`	`SammyTheSnake`	`error403: not since woody was unstable :D`
`22:53.04`	`bitlogic`	`using an old S3 Virge with 2M to boot with kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 freezes just on uncompressing Linux!`
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`22:53.09`	`error403`	`Azar, yeah, i mean, its weird... "Invalid module format" when it worked fine before...`
`22:53.13`	`bitlogic`	`did some one already tried this?`
`22:53.19`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: the card matters?`
`22:53.22`	`SammyTheSnake`	`error403: (well, one or two in the last few years. I remember the version of frozen-bubble I had at one point needed help uninstalling, but that was it)`
`22:53.27`	`Azar`	`error403, just a lame idea here: could you try to recompile your kernel, and / or use aptitude to update/upgrade?`
`22:53.27`	`error403`	`SammyTheSnake, hmm....`
`22:53.35`	`stew`	`"since woody was unstable" hrm`
`22:53.40`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, it seems, because I boot using another card and it worked ok`
`22:53.45`	`josephylover999`	`hey do u guys know anything about the debian notebook installation error???`
`22:53.46`	`abrotman`	`stew: you were in diapers :)`
`22:53.51`	`error403`	`Azar, whats the big deal with aptitude?`
`22:53.58`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: i'm gonna share a secret with you ... S3 sucks!`
`22:54.00`	`abrotman`	`!s3`
`22:54.00`	`dpkg`	`Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother.`
`22:54.11`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, better, kernel 2.4.22-2-k7 boot with S3`
`22:54.11`	`Azar`	`error403, aptitude is the latest and best in fixing dependencies`
`22:54.24`	`error403`	`hmm`
`22:54.31`	`SammyTheSnake`	`error403: you'll want to use aptitude rather than apt-get, though`
`22:54.33`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, yep I know, but it is an old card I used on an emergency`
`22:54.36`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: those are truly the worst video cards ever invented .. especially the era you're messing with`
`22:54.36`	`error403`	`Azar, technically, it isnt a dependancy...`
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`22:54.51`	`error403`	`fuck this.... 2.6.13, manual compile, see what happens, i think`
`22:54.51`	`stew`	`error403: what problem are you trying to solve?`
`22:54.57`	`SammyTheSnake`	`error403: it's a little more intelligent when it comes to complex dependencies and the like and it's worthwhile for a dist-upgrade over a big gap`
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`22:55.16`	`Azar`	`error403, since I am not expert in fixing individual issues, I allways try recompiling and using aptitude dist-upgrade to level problems`
`22:55.22`	`bitlogic`	`does anyone have any idea why this happens?`
`22:55.25`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: is this sarge?`
`22:55.33`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, yep`
`22:55.34`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: the system is installed right ??`
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`22:55.47`	`error403`	`stew, i installed my alsa sound drivers (yes, they are the right ones, already established this, plus they worked to start with), then without changing anything they are now saysing "invalid module format" when the kernel tries to load them`
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`22:55.58`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, like I said, with 2.4.27-2-k7 everything works fine`
`22:56.14`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: you could try a 2.6.12 from etch ...`
`22:56.15`	`stew`	`error403: that means the modules are compiled with one version of gcc and the kenrel with a non-compatible version`
`22:56.22`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: did you look in the BTS ?`
`22:56.33`	`Azar`	`error403, you are using sarge, and the way I understand you have installed and configured a driver from outside sarge range, it might create issues like that`
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`22:56.35`	`error403`	`stew, but they loaded fine the first time I booted...`
`22:56.36`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, BTS?!`
`22:56.37`	`stew`	`error403: like you tried to compile modules with gcc3.3 but the kernel was compiled with gcc-4.0`
`22:56.42`	`abrotman`	`!bts`
`22:56.42`	`stew`	`error403: no they didn't`
`22:56.42`	`dpkg`	`bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/`
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`22:56.49`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, already exists 2.6.12 for k7?`
`22:56.56`	`stew`	`error403: what does cat /proc/version say?`
`22:57.06`	`error403`	`Azar, yes, but not something that would depend on another package, i wouldnt have thought`
`22:57.10`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: in etch`
`22:57.17`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: what about a -386 kernel ?`
`22:57.20`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, BTS, OK, I checked but I didn't found anything`
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`22:57.32`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, -386 I tried and didn't work also`
`22:57.34`	`error403`	`stew, in other words what kernel am i running?`
`22:57.36`	`liable`	`error403: did you actually conpile alsa? why? its in the kernel already.`
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`22:57.40`	`ednyc`	`Hello`
`22:57.41`	`efaistos`	`hi`
`22:57.50`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: any bios options to mess with ?`
`22:57.57`	`stew`	`error403: no, cat /proc/version also says which version of gcc was used`
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`22:58.00`	`efaistos`	`does someone use lvm ? what is your partition table ?`
`22:58.03`	`Azar`	`error403, ALSA, is like a very capricious woman, it takes long time and lots of wine to make it behave the way you want`
`22:58.03`	`error403`	`liable, no - i compiled the drivers for my specific sound device, because they dont start off there...`
`22:58.04`	`stew`	`error403: are you on sarge or etch?`
`22:58.16`	`ednyc`	`Quick Question: debian "somehow" recognized my eth0, whereas all other Linux distros fail. Is there a way I can question it on to what eth0 actually is?`
`22:58.20`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, I don't know, I just loaded the defaults for the board, just in case`
`22:58.21`	`error403`	`stew, sarge`
`22:58.28`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: same issue ?`
`22:58.29`	`dondelelcaro`	`ednyc: dmesg \|less`
`22:58.32`	`stew`	`error403: what does cat /proc/version say?`
`22:58.37`	`stew`	`error403: did you install an etch kernel?`
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`22:58.40`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, yep, happen the same`
`22:58.48`	`error403`	`stew, nope, a testing kernel`
`22:58.51`	`efaistos`	`what is the best partition table for lvm ?`
`22:58.55`	`stew`	`error403: testing is etch`
`22:59.02`	`liable`	`bitlogic: how much memory did you say you have?`
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`22:59.07`	`error403`	`stew, right...`
`22:59.13`	`stew`	`error403: if you installed a knerel from etch, you won't have a gcc availabe that can compile modules for it`
`22:59.14`	`Azar`	`stew, he runs sarge with a 2.6.12 kernel (outside sarge)`
`22:59.25`	`error403`	`stew, i installed gcc4 from etch too`
`22:59.36`	`error403`	`hmmmm`
`22:59.37`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, the video card? 2M`
`22:59.37`	`error403`	`MAYBE`
`22:59.40`	`error403`	`just maybe`
`22:59.41`	`stew`	`uhh`
`22:59.52`	`stew`	`error403: what makes you say you are running sarge?`
`23:00.11`	`stew`	`error403: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" report?`
`23:00.13`	`error403`	`stew, is there a way to change what compiler something is trying to use?`
`23:00.15`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: uhm .. anything special about your mobo ?`
`23:00.21`	`ozzloy`	`i set the win-key to switch between keyboard layouts, but it only works going from dvorak to qwerty`
`23:00.22`	`bitlogic`	`!mobo`
`23:00.22`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, mobo is short for motherboard`
`23:00.27`	`ozzloy`	`how do i fix that?`
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`23:00.30`	`ednyc`	`dondelelcaro: thanks!!`
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`23:00.36`	`error403`	`stew, all my packages apart from gcc4 and the kernel are from stable`
`23:00.38`	`ozzloy`	`so it works going either way. like a toggle`
`23:00.42`	`Azar`	`error403, if you want to run sarge you stay with whatever kernels sarge offers, if you go up, you will have surprises`
`23:00.50`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, not anything I have noticed`
`23:01.01`	`stew`	`error403: then your gcc4 is non-functioning`
`23:01.02`	`error403`	`stew, ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22`
`23:01.15`	`error403`	`stew, i have gcc3 installed too`
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`23:01.26`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, i tested another PCI card, an Matrox Mystique with 4MB and worked OK`
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`23:01.32`	`error403`	`maybe I'm accidentally using the wrong compiler?`
`23:01.34`	`_gass_`	`hello there`
`23:01.38`	`stew`	`error403: what version do you get from gcc --version?`
`23:01.42`	`_gass_`	`have a problem with an nvidia 5200.`
`23:01.49`	`g4i`	`dondelelcaro: thanks for the force-overwrite tip. I can read a manual page and go right past a solution.`
`23:01.53`	`_gass_`	`have 650 fps in glxgears test`
`23:01.54`	`stew`	`error403: if cat /proc/version says gcc 4 you need to use gcc 4 to compile modules for it`
`23:01.58`	`error403`	`stew, 3.3.5`
`23:01.58`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: i'd say file a bug .. but i doubt you'll get a resolution .. i'd mess with some of the PCI/Memory settings in the bios`
`23:02.02`	`_gass_`	`but have 2.9 fps in the games`
`23:02.10`	`_gass_`	`have direct rendering off`
`23:02.22`	`_gass_`	`compiled nvidia-kernel-source, from debian`
`23:02.26`	`_gass_`	`and have nvidia-glx`
`23:02.30`	`error403`	`stew, the thing is... I know my kernel was compiled with gcc4, because i had to install gcc4 to compile my nvidia kernel module`
`23:02.33`	`_gass_`	`using debian testing`
`23:03.04`	`abrotman`	`!enter`
`23:03.04`	`dpkg`	`The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying).`
`23:03.09`	`error403`	`_gass_, 650fps for a 5200 is slow... mine was hitting 1600`
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`23:03.21`	`EmleyMoor`	`I am currently unable to use my modem as the driver won't work with the latest kernels. I understand, though, that it can use the alsa i8x0 modem driver... can anyone advise what I need to do to set this up after compiling the module?`
`23:03.29`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, thanks for the help, I'm leaving`
`23:03.35`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: also`
`23:03.40`	`_gass_`	`error403: true ... but i don't know why this is going bad`
`23:03.41`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: debian-kernel@lists.debian.org`
`23:03.50`	`_gass_`	`error403: can you give me a hand?`
`23:03.53`	`Elly`	`wow, debian netinst is SLOW in qemu`
`23:03.54`	`Elly`	`:P`
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`23:03.56`	`bitlogic`	`abrotman, probably I'll do that`
`23:04.02`	`Elly`	`it's 1% done detecting cdrom drives`
`23:04.11`	`Elly`	`oh`
`23:04.12`	`error403`	`stew, i think i nailed it... gcc --version reports 3.3.5, but i have gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.0`
`23:04.13`	`Elly`	`xmms is killing it`
`23:04.27`	`error403`	`_gass_, did you use 'nvidia one-liner' ?`
`23:04.29`	`liable`	`EmleyMoor: you modprobe it, and use the sl-modem-daemon package`
`23:04.43`	`error403`	`_gass_, i ALWAYS use nvidia one-liner, and never had it fail`
`23:04.55`	`abrotman`	`bitlogic: or you could ask #hardware or #kernel`
`23:04.58`	`_gass_`	`error403: nvidia one-lner?`
`23:05.01`	`liable`	`EmleyMoor: its in standard kernels btw, no need to compile.`
`23:05.14`	`error403`	`!tell _gass_ about nvidia one-liner`
`23:05.32`	`stew`	`wow, i didnt' know gcc-4.0 worked with sarges libc6`
`23:05.34`	`error403`	`_gass_, PM from dpkg :P`
`23:05.43`	`error403`	`stew, it sure does`
`23:05.55`	`error403`	`stew, havent checked yet - but would gcc be a symlin`
`23:06.00`	`stew`	`error403: it is`
`23:06.01`	`error403`	`*symlink`
`23:06.03`	`error403`	`right`
`23:06.06`	`error403`	`so if i change that`
`23:06.10`	`error403`	`and recompile`
`23:06.12`	`error403`	`should work?`
`23:06.15`	`dondelelcaro`	`ugh. DON'T CHANGE THE gcc SYMLINK`
`23:06.22`	`_gass_`	`error403: yes, i did all that :) compiled driver, installed that packges, updated xorg conf`
`23:06.30`	`Azar`	`error403, I have no idea why you needed gcc-4.0 to compile the nvidia driver, my nvidia compiled nicely with gcc-3.x after I upgraded to the 2.6.8 kernel`
`23:06.32`	`_gass_`	`error403: i am using xorg`
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`23:06.33`	`dondelelcaro`	`set CC, HOSTCC and/or CXX as appropriate for your makefile`
`23:06.35`	`stew`	`error403: use the HOSTCC and CC variables`
`23:06.36`	`abrotman`	`holy crap .. dondelelcaro used caps`
`23:06.53`	`error403`	`Azar, compiling nvidia driver for a gcc-4.0 compiled kernel? :P`
`23:07.10`	`error403`	`stew, what are they?`
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`23:07.42`	`error403`	`abrotman, i think i commited a cardinal sin`
`23:07.44`	`Azar`	`error403, I am meticulous, I developed my routine: the highest kernel that sarge offers (2.6.8) first, which brings the gcc-3.x, then compiling drivers. Everything worked nicely`
`23:07.51`	`stew`	`error403: the Makefule should use those to determine which gcc to run`
`23:08.00`	`abrotman`	`error403: well .. it can severely mess up a lot of stuff on your system`
`23:08.07`	`error403`	`Azar, i said before... i used sarge kernel, but no network driver`
`23:08.14`	`error403`	`without network driver, i cant do anything else`
`23:08.19`	`takatumi`	`error403: /msg dpkg kp mantra`
`23:08.29`	`error403`	`abrotman, im on about changing it for ONLY one compile`
`23:08.31`	`error403`	`then changing it`
`23:08.45`	`error403`	`because the compile is done by a third-party script`
`23:08.47`	`SammyTheSnake`	`mtnman: well, thanks for your help, I'm off to reboot in a mo, see you on the other side!`
`23:08.48`	`Azar`	`error403, sarge comes with a 2.4.x errr ah ok you installed sarge I see.. ok. I just upgraded.`
`23:09.00`	`punkideas`	`can anyone here help me troubleshoot x11vnc?`
`23:09.26`	`Azar`	`sarge kernel? what version was , if you don't mind I ask?`
`23:09.33`	`abrotman`	`punkideas: you have to just ask`
`23:09.36`	`error403`	`Azar, i have a brand-spanking-new gigabit LAN interface - it doesnt work on anything less than 2.6.12 - just DOESNT exist...`
`23:09.53`	`stew`	`error403: which chipset?`
`23:10.05`	`error403`	`Azar, i started with a 2.6.8`
`23:10.07`	`Azar`	`error403, ah, I guess you should go for etch then.`
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`23:10.14`	`error403`	`Azar, 2.6.8-11`
`23:10.21`	`error403`	`Azar, trhats what i have done...`
`23:10.53`	`Azar`	`error403, then I assume compiling drivers will just be a bit more awkward, but I am sure you will win.`
`23:11.01`	`error403`	`stew, nforce 4 chipset on the motherboard, the old forcedeth module didnt support the thing, new forcedeth does`
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`23:11.14`	`error403`	`Azar, exactly..`
`23:11.19`	`error403`	`it may be this gcc error`
`23:12.21`	`theine`	`Hi, is there an easy way to view the differences between my current configuration files in /etc and those configuration files that are contained in the corresponding .deb package, i,e, are the latter stored somewhere?`
`23:12.43`	`error403`	`holy crap is gcc4 faster than gcc3.3!`
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`23:13.15`	`theine`	`Hi, is there an easy way to view the differences between my current configuration files in /etc and those configuration files that are contained in the corresponding .deb package, i,e, are the latter stored somewhere?`
`23:13.15`	`punkideas`	`does anyone know x11vnc is creating a new display even though I'm telling it to detach the current one?`
`23:13.38`	`_gass_`	`error403: still direct rendering no`
`23:13.44`	`theine`	`I'm sorry in case the above was posted 2 times. I lost connection...`
`23:13.59`	`error403`	`_gass_, direct rendering? where is this option?`
`23:14.11`	`_gass_`	`error403: shows in glxinfo`
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`23:14.30`	`Tortel`	`whats the command to show your kernel version?`
`23:14.33`	`Tortel`	`something -r`
`23:14.44`	`punkideas`	`tortel, uname -a works`
`23:14.51`	`Tortel`	`ty`
`23:15.13`	`error403`	`stew, Azar, thanks for all your help... I changed the gcc symlink to gcc4, it compiled, and loaded fine - seems it was a compiler mismatch after all!`
`23:16.02`	`ozzloy`	`something: command not found`
`23:16.03`	`error403`	`_gass_, i have direct rendering on`
`23:16.06`	`error403`	`and always have`
`23:16.16`	`error403`	`ozzloy, lol`
`23:16.35`	`_gass_`	`error403: yes, but i have it off (no)`
`23:16.47`	`error403`	`_gass_, why do you have it off?`
`23:16.58`	`g4i`	`I've got package gstreamer segfaulting in the postinst phase.`
`23:16.59`	`_gass_`	`error403: that is what i want to know :)`
`23:17.24`	`error403`	`_gass_, what xorg modules do you have installed?`
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`23:17.53`	`error403`	`_gass_, may be you dont have a glx module installed or something?`
`23:17.59`	`concept10`	`What port does RTSP hang out on??`
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`23:18.19`	`_gass_`	`error403: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Lh7pdn68.html`
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`23:19.46`	`qbwdp`	`hello there`
`23:19.56`	`error403`	`_gass_, assuming you sre running a 2.6 kernel, yes?`
`23:19.57`	`scx`	`hi`
`23:20.05`	`_gass_`	`error403: yes ... 2.6.12`
`23:20.08`	`qbwdp`	`i'm trying to format a floppy with fdformat and it keeps saying not a block device`
`23:20.14`	`Tortel`	`one more question: i want to install the nvidia drivers, but I dont have the kernel source tree, where do I get that?`
`23:20.18`	`qbwdp`	`fdformat /dev/fd/0`
`23:20.26`	`abrotman`	`!nvidia one-liner`
`23:20.26`	`dpkg`	`i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>`
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`23:20.43`	`qbwdp`	`does debian make the floppy some other device?`
`23:20.46`	`stew`	`abrotman: the horde maintainer is being very responsive :)`
`23:20.48`	`Tortel`	`thank you`
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`23:20.58`	`stew`	`qbwdp: /dev/fd0`
`23:21.03`	`abrotman`	`stew: really ?`
`23:21.08`	`lewis`	`hello`
`23:21.10`	`abrotman`	`stew: you told him the packages are crap? :)`
`23:21.18`	`lewis`	`a n nvidia oneliner`
`23:21.20`	`error403`	`_gass_, nailed it...`
`23:21.22`	`stew`	`abrotman: yeah, he made a new upload to fix the two rc security bugs i filed`
`23:21.31`	`abrotman`	`woohoo`
`23:21.40`	`abrotman`	`stew: but what about the fact they don't work when installed ? :)`
`23:21.42`	`scx`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:21.53`	`stew`	`abrotman: they do, its just that there is no README.Debian`
`23:21.54`	`omk`	`hi all, i am looking for someone to help me to traduct a few words from english to french... automatics translators are not good enought for this... : I mean, God knows I have enough frequent flier miles.`
`23:22.00`	`stew`	`well there is but its not at all right`
`23:22.09`	`stew`	`i'm going to try to find time to write a better one`
`23:22.22`	`abrotman`	`stew: oh .. that's bad`
`23:22.22`	`error403`	`_gass_, when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, at the module choosing do you have one called "dri" ? (dri == (surprise) direct rendering infrastructure)`
`23:22.25`	`_gass_`	`error403: sorry?`
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`23:22.41`	`scx`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:22.41`	`Azar`	`omk you are saying that your Debian auto translator is not working?`
`23:22.45`	`_gass_`	`error403: i have it off`
`23:22.55`	`error403`	`_gass_, why dont you switch it on?`
`23:22.57`	`roby`	`I wish to install php4 on testing, apt wants to install apache, but i have apache2 already, what am i to do?`
`23:23.02`	`_gass_`	`error403: ok`
`23:23.04`	`_gass_`	`brb`
`23:23.06`	`stew`	`abrotman: i think the debian/rules basically does cp INSTALL debian/tmp/.../README.Debian`
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`23:23.13`	`omk`	`Azar: lol i know i am sorry, but i cannot find anyone on irc !!! and here, there is many people !`
`23:23.17`	`error403`	`_gass_, that it probably your framerate problem`
`23:23.17`	`resiak`	`roby: What exactly are you trying to install? PHP installs for me with only apache2`
`23:23.18`	`abrotman`	`stew: and that's no good`
`23:23.21`	`error403`	`i ALWAYS allow it`
`23:23.27`	`Azar`	`omk nobody here performs translations`
`23:23.31`	`ozzloy`	`i'm trying to switch between kb layouts. i set the win key to be the switch shortcut, but it only works switching from dvorak to us. how do i make it work going the other way as well?`
`23:23.31`	`roby`	`resiak: apt-get -s install php4`
`23:23.47`	`omk`	`Azar: hum ok :) thx`
`23:23.49`	`_gass_`	`error403: in the readme says to take it off`
`23:24.00`	`error403`	`_gass_, readme for what?`
`23:24.04`	`abrotman`	`Om: you could try #debian-fr .. but i dobut they'll help`
`23:24.06`	`_gass_`	`for nvidia`
`23:24.15`	`resiak`	`roby: You need to also install libapache2-mod-php4`
`23:24.16`	`_gass_`	`error403: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`23:24.24`	`resiak`	`roby: apt-cache show php4, look at the deps`
`23:24.28`	`error403`	`_gass_, ill confess something - i dont read readmes unless it breaks... it has never broken for me with DRI on`
`23:24.29`	`[Cadet]`	`_gass_: type /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner`
`23:24.33`	`EmleyMoor`	`If I'm going to use the alsa i8x0m driver for my slmodem in Linux, what options exactly do I need to give slmodemd?`
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`23:24.36`	`omk`	`abrotman: ok thanks :)`
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`23:24.56`	`stew`	`ozzloy: what do you ahve in your XkbLayout option of your x config?`
`23:25.04`	`roby`	`resiak: ah, i see... is php5 available?`
`23:25.09`	`resiak`	`!php5`
`23:25.09`	`dpkg`	`php5 is currently only available in unstable. if you require php5 for sarge, first check your head, then ask me about <dotdeb>, however, if you use dotdeb packages you are on your own.`
`23:25.11`	`Azar`	`EmleyMoor, you mean "modem" or "module" ?`
`23:25.13`	`g4i`	`clear`
`23:25.21`	`[Cadet]`	`_gass_: Depending on your setup the last part may be dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
`23:25.23`	`error403`	`_gass_, try it - if it doesnt work, were back where we started, nothing lost`
`23:25.25`	`scx`	`*scx loves Debian users :)`
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`23:25.30`	`roby`	`resiak: ah`
`23:25.33`	`roby`	`i c`
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`23:25.47`	`_gass_`	`error403: it seems it is not using nvidia driver`
`23:25.51`	`_gass_`	`i'll see`
`23:25.58`	`resiak`	`!ic`
`23:25.58`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, ic is (AKA) 'slurpy' or a conspiracy by the Indo-American community to take over your neighborhood via inexpensive groceries and snacks, or Integrated Circuit or "I see" for MORONS who are too lazy to type properly (I C)`
`23:25.59`	`error403`	`scx, youll find plenty here!`
`23:26.00`	`EmleyMoor`	`Azar: I can't see what you query`
`23:26.24`	`Azar`	`EmleyMoor, I am just wondering what do you mean by nvidia modem?`
`23:26.32`	`liable`	`EmleyMoor: if you use the debian package, i dont think you need to pass any options to it.`
`23:26.38`	`EmleyMoor`	`I didn't mention nvidia at all`
`23:26.39`	`scx`	`*scx loves their cynicism specially`
`23:27.16`	`Azar`	`EmleyMoor, sorry my mistake I ment - alsa modem`
`23:27.16`	`error403`	`lol`
`23:27.24`	`Elly`	`is it okay to just have one partition (/)?`
`23:27.29`	`scx`	`u see what i'm talking about?`
`23:27.29`	`resiak`	`!ic is also Imperial College, London`
`23:27.29`	`dpkg`	`okay, resiak`
`23:27.41`	`roby`	`resiak: hahahaha`
`23:27.47`	`error403`	`Elly, it wont stop anything from working, if thats what you mean`
`23:27.52`	`Elly`	`okay`
`23:27.55`	`error403`	`Elly, still, need a swap space too`
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`23:28.01`	`Elly`	`which file system is most space-efficient?`
`23:28.08`	`Elly`	`ah, shoot, I'm only working with 512MB of disk`
`23:28.09`	`EmleyMoor`	`liable: One sets the options in /etc/default/sl-modem-daemon or similar - I have been using the smlink-supplied driver but it is unsuitable for newer kernels`
`23:28.10`	`zirikili`	`hi... I have full access to a remote box running debian with gnome. but I'd like to use the X environment on from a windows workstation. does anyone know a howto about?`
`23:28.11`	`Elly`	`I can't afford a swap space`
`23:28.21`	`error403`	`Elly, what kind of system this on?`
`23:28.26`	`Elly`	`an emulated one`
`23:28.27`	`Elly`	`:)`
`23:28.31`	`error403`	`ah`
`23:28.32`	`error403`	`i see`
`23:28.32`	`Elly`	`it's running inside qemu`
`23:28.35`	`EmleyMoor`	`Azar: alsa has a module snd-inteli8x0m which is for Intel i8x0 modems`
`23:28.40`	`Elly`	`it has to fit on a 1GB USB stick`
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`23:28.56`	`error403`	`doesnt matter then i guess... virtual ram might spill into the hosts swap?`
`23:28.57`	`stew`	`you don't want to run swap space on flash ram anyway`
`23:29.01`	`Azar`	`EmleyMoor, fair enough, thanks for the heads up, is my first time hearing about this`
`23:29.02`	`error403`	`yeah`
`23:29.02`	`Elly`	`yes`
`23:29.04`	`Elly`	`so no swap for me`
`23:29.07`	`EmleyMoor`	`It is used as an alternative to the smlink-supplied drivers`
`23:29.09`	`error403`	`I didnt realise it was one of those`
`23:29.11`	`Elly`	`I won't be running anything RAM-intensive anyway`
`23:29.15`	`error403`	`but yes, only having / is fune`
`23:29.16`	`Elly`	`screen, irssi, angband`
`23:29.18`	`ozzloy`	`never mind i fixed it by not using the win-key as the shortcut, i'm using both shift keys instead`
`23:29.29`	`Elly`	`so, which FS is most space-efficient? reiser4?`
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`23:29.46`	`resiak`	`!reiserfs`
`23:29.46`	`dpkg`	`somebody said reiserfs was a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems.`
`23:29.49`	`liable`	`EmleyMoor: the dev is usuall hw:1 iirc`
`23:29.54`	`qbwdp`	`if doing dd if=file of=/dev/fd0 and it comes up quickly with all zero in and zero out, if there another way to write img files`
`23:29.54`	`concept10`	`can I turn a .bin file to a deb? in case of the realplayer binary installer?`
`23:30.07`	`Guerin`	`Elly: no, because if you use reiser4 you have to make twice as many backups as with, say, ext3`
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`23:30.29`	`Elly`	`so`
`23:30.30`	`Elly`	`ext2?`
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`23:30.37`	`EmleyMoor`	`concept10: There is a deb for realplayer, which acts as a wrapper around that`
`23:30.40`	`Guerin`	`concept10: you can extract it to a dir and then debianise it`
`23:30.40`	`Elly`	`Ideally, as few disk writes as possible`
`23:30.51`	`Elly`	`I think ext2 is the way to go for a 512MB disk`
`23:30.52`	`Guerin`	`Elly: ext2 will give you that`
`23:30.55`	`Elly`	`okay`
`23:30.56`	`Azar`	`Elly, ext3 is widely used at this moment, most popular`
`23:31.02`	`Elly`	`but ext3 is journalling`
`23:31.12`	`Elly`	`which is bad for such a small disk on a USB drive`
`23:31.21`	`Guerin`	`ext3 with noatime is a best-of-both-worlds plan, few writes, but still journalling`
`23:31.23`	`EmleyMoor`	`ext3 is ext2 + journal - so ext2 if you don't need journal`
`23:31.24`	`Guerin`	`oh`
`23:31.29`	`Guerin`	`for flash, use ext2`
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`23:32.50`	`Elly`	`the one partition must have bootable=yes, right?`
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`23:33.09`	`_gass_`	`error403: still nothing`
`23:33.28`	`_gass_`	`error403: what is the correct resolution, and refresh rate for 19'' monitor`
`23:33.36`	`_gass_`	`error403: mostly, the refresh rate`
`23:33.50`	`Guerin`	`_gass_: how much fuel cna the fuel tank of a 3 litre v6 hold?`
`23:33.54`	`EmleyMoor`	`_gass_: Depends on the monitor`
`23:34.04`	`Elly`	`hehe, my entire emulated disk is smaller than this machine's swap space :)`
`23:34.38`	`liable`	`Guerin: 60l?`
`23:34.38`	`error403`	`_gass_, LCD or CRT?`
`23:34.38`	`_gass_`	`EmleyMoor: CRT 19'' samtron 19 DBF`
`23:34.47`	`_gass_`	`sorry .. 96 DBF`
`23:34.51`	`error403`	`hmm`
`23:35.09`	`error403`	`i only use LCD screens, which are easy to set up`
`23:35.12`	`Azar`	`_gass_, I am using 60HZ, with both 600X800 and 1024x768 for both , LCD or CRT`
`23:35.24`	`citral`	`bah`
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`23:35.28`	`Guerin`	`liable: you're guessing.`
`23:35.30`	`error403`	`i'm using 1280x1024@60Hz`
`23:35.34`	`_gass_`	`Azar: i have 60 Hz, seems small`
`23:35.38`	`Guerin`	`!hwinfo`
`23:35.38`	`dpkg`	`[hwinfo] your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles`
`23:35.40`	`citral`	`14000x1050`
`23:35.47`	`citral`	`minimum`
`23:35.49`	`_gass_`	`error403: here i looks very bad`
`23:35.50`	`Guerin`	`_gass_: don't guess, and don't expect us to figure it out for you`
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`23:36.08`	`Azar`	`_gass_ that is the most moderate, general setting you can get, if you feel like testing, go for higher`
`23:36.11`	`_gass_`	`Guerin: just wanted an ideia, because i don't have one`
`23:36.36`	`EmleyMoor`	`_gass_: It really does vary from monitor to monitor`
`23:36.42`	`liable`	`!cluebat _gass_`
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`23:37.12`	`gozz`	`can i mount a ntfs drive if i convert it to fat32?`
`23:37.32`	`froztbyte`	`yes`
`23:37.39`	`error403`	`gozz, you should be able to mount it as NTFS.... or are you saying will you still be able to mount it#/`
`23:37.40`	`error403`	`?`
`23:37.48`	`froztbyte`	`just mount it as -t vfat`
`23:37.51`	`amphi`	`gozz: you can mount an ntfs partition ro, if that's enough`
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`23:38.23`	`gozz`	`i cant mount it as ntfs the partitions dont even show up`
`23:38.40`	`EmleyMoor`	`gozz: Does your kernel have ntfs support?`
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`23:38.43`	`amphi`	`gozz: show up?`
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`23:39.05`	`SammyTheSnake`	`re`
`23:39.22`	`gozz`	`the only drives i see are linux and swap`
`23:39.26`	`_gass_`	`error403: still ... nvidia driver is using mesa for direct`
`23:39.41`	`_gass_`	`error403:`
`23:39.42`	`_gass_`	`glxinfo \| grep direct`
`23:39.42`	`_gass_`	`direct rendering: No`
`23:39.42`	`_gass_`	`OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect`
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`23:39.49`	`amphi`	`gozz: in what?`
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`23:39.51`	`Elly`	`10% done with the base install`
`23:39.59`	`error403`	`_gass_, it is? not DRI?`
`23:40.10`	`gozz`	`:/dev`
`23:40.19`	`error403`	`_gass_, is there nothing in reconfigure that asks you about DRI?`
`23:40.24`	`_gass_`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/G82Njv22.html`
`23:40.31`	`_gass_`	`error403: dri must be commented`
`23:40.31`	`error403`	`usually at the end of graphics driver, before monitor..`
`23:40.40`	`stew`	`gozz: what does "uname -r" say? do the partition(s) show up when you type "fdisk -l" ?`
`23:40.53`	`error403`	`_gass_, why must it be?`
`23:41.05`	`_gass_`	`error403: i don't know`
`23:41.09`	`roby`	`Is there a known problem installing mysql 5.0 with testing?`
`23:41.10`	`_gass_`	`says in the readme`
`23:41.16`	`_gass_`	`error403: is yours on?`
`23:41.16`	`error403`	`_gass_, why not disable mesa and enable dri`
`23:41.26`	`stew`	`roby: /msg dpkg bts`
`23:41.36`	`mjk64`	`weasel: In der Freenode Network Policy steht nichts von Realnames!`
`23:41.43`	`gozz`	`ebian:/home/gozz# uname -r`
`23:41.43`	`gozz`	`2.6.8-2-686`
`23:41.44`	`error403`	`_gass_, yes, i said before - i ALWAYS have dri on, and it always works, and i ALWAYS use nvidia cards`
`23:41.48`	`SammyTheSnake`	`I think my cdrom drive is munted :( I just tried to mount a different CD and got the same behaviour: mount gives its generic "I don't know what went wrong" message and the drive's access light stays on (it's currently spinning but I expect it'll spin down soon) :(`
`23:41.53`	`roby`	`stew: ha i was just about to check :)`
`23:41.54`	`error403`	`_gass_, including the same card you have`
`23:42.02`	`Rigsta`	`quick compatibility question: will the latest stable release of Debian work with an AMD 3700+ 64-bit CPU? (and where the heck is an FAQ with simple questions like that ^^; )`
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`23:42.23`	`resiak`	`!amd64`
`23:42.23`	`dpkg`	`methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq`
`23:42.25`	`error403`	`Rigsta, im using the latest stable release on a 3500+`
`23:42.28`	`error403`	`that count?`
`23:42.33`	`_gass_`	`error403: gonna try`
`23:42.34`	`_gass_`	`brb`
`23:42.42`	`error403`	`and Rigsta, you can run a i386 kernel anyway`
`23:42.45`	`Rigsta`	`good enough, cheers for the replies`
`23:42.46`	`Guerin`	`Rigsta: sure, in 32- bit mode officially, and 64-bit unofficially - amd64.debian.net`
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`23:42.55`	`_-[yeti-slayer]-`	`anyone know how to get debian to work with sata hd?`
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`23:43.06`	`Rigsta`	`and thanks again, that's some info to go on... /me reads`
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`23:43.10`	`Guerin`	`_-[yeti-slayer]-: fix your nick`
`23:43.14`	`error403`	`_-[yeti-slayer]-, you mean it doesnt already?`
`23:43.26`	`_-[yeti-slayer]-`	`no it doesnt`
`23:43.32`	`Guerin`	`_-[yeti-slayer]-: yes, it fucking does.`
`23:43.34`	`error403`	`_-[yeti-slayer]-, what SATA controller?`
`23:43.38`	`_-[yeti-slayer]-`	`it installs then rdemoves thousand times over a second`
`23:43.39`	`stew`	`gozz: try "modprobe ntfs". where are you looking for our ntfs partitions that you arent' seeing them?`
`23:43.40`	`Guerin`	`!tardware`
`23:43.40`	`dpkg`	`from memory, tardware is the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>.`
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`23:44.18`	`_-[yeti-slayer]-`	`ah tardware yes`
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`23:44.24`	`error403`	`lol`
`23:44.40`	`amphi`	`!nickometer _-[yeti-slayer]-`
`23:44.40`	`dpkg`	`'_-[yeti-slayer]-' is 99.750% lame, amphi`
`23:44.43`	`error403`	`i never had a problem with promise or nvraid`
`23:44.49`	`error403`	`LOL`
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`23:44.53`	`error403`	`nice one`
`23:44.59`	`error403`	`!nickometer error403`
`23:45.09`	`_-[yeti-slayer]-`	`ahh ic how it is`
`23:45.11`	`Guerin`	`error403: dict vanity`
`23:45.12`	`error403`	`i only get 44%`
`23:45.21`	`froztbyte`	`!nickometer amphi`
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`23:45.41`	`resiak`	`_-[yeti-slayer]-: /nick yeti-slayer`
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`23:45.59`	`froztbyte`	`!nickometer froztbyte`
`23:46.01`	`atp`	`has anyone here tried replacing init with runit?`
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`23:46.18`	`gozz`	`thanks! i found my ntfs in fdisk now how can i mount it as usr?`
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`23:46.34`	`Guerin`	`!tell gozz about vfatrw`
`23:46.37`	`error403`	`And so begins another round of bot-molestation`
`23:47.06`	`froztbyte`	`lol`
`23:47.18`	`Guerin`	`!lol`
`23:47.18`	`dpkg`	`If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.`
`23:47.20`	`froztbyte`	`what bot they running? script-wise, i mean? where can i get it`
`23:47.31`	`resiak`	`dpkg: what are you`
`23:47.31`	`dpkg`	`I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>`
`23:47.45`	`Guerin`	`froztbyte: you don't want to run a blootbot`
`23:47.47`	`froztbyte`	`sorry, if it offended any humans`
`23:47.59`	`froztbyte`	`it's a blabbernet habit`
`23:48.19`	`atp`	`actually the whole lol bias is a long standing thing, dating back to the septembers.`
`23:48.37`	`atp`	`it really does bother a lot of hackers... it's best to know your community`
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`23:48.47`	`froztbyte`	`recent tranferral`
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`23:48.54`	`k0walski`	`I'm running debian mips does anyone know why I'm not able to apt-get tcl?`
`23:48.57`	`froztbyte`	`i started on freenode 3 days ago`
`23:49.18`	`resiak`	`k0walski: apt-cache search --names-only tcl; apt-get install the appropriate one.`
`23:49.26`	`yeti-slayer`	`apt-get install right?`
`23:50.10`	`k0walski`	`yeah.`
`23:50.15`	`k0walski`	`ok thanks.`
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`23:50.25`	`yeti-slayer`	`:-)`
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`23:51.00`	`froztbyte`	`but thnx atp`
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`23:53.18`	`RevolutionOs`	`Hi i have debian sarge 3.1, i try to install a .deb and this .deb not install because one packg have trouble`
`23:53.44`	`RevolutionOs`	`the solution is??`
`23:53.53`	`xgc_`	`Hi. I have installed the Debian3.0 woody right now. bit i ineed to install libc < 2.3.2 (current) to test somethings. How can i do it ?`
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`23:54.28`	`roby`	`I got apache and php4 installed, when i browser to a php script my browser is trying to download the file`
`23:54.33`	`error403`	`kde3.4 STILL not even in testing?`
`23:54.42`	`error403`	`Debian folks got something against DE?`
`23:54.45`	`error403`	`*KDE`
`23:54.47`	`error403`	`lol`
`23:55.12`	`error403`	`dont worry, i know its due to dependancy issues`
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`23:55.23`	`dondelelcaro`	`error403: so jump in and help out.`
`23:55.23`	`error403`	`but anyway`
`23:55.35`	`dondelelcaro`	`unless you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.`
`23:55.36`	`error403`	`dondelelcaro, i would if i had the expertise`
`23:55.42`	`error403`	`i still have a long way to go`
`23:55.46`	`EmleyMoor`	`Hmmm... didn't find the i8x0m driver in the kernel config - has it gone?`
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`23:55.50`	`roby`	`Why is my apache letting me download php scripts instead of processing them?`
`23:55.59`	`*** join/#debian Marsian (n=Mars@ip24-250-147-221.bc.dl.cox.net)`
`23:56.12`	`error403`	`roby, #apache ?`
`23:56.15`	`xgc_`	`Hi. I have installed the Debian3.0 woody right now. bit i ineed to install libc < 2.3.2 (current) to test somethings. How can i do it ?`
`23:56.22`	`roby`	`wait nevermind, suddenly it works`
`23:56.27`	`roby`	`:/`
`23:56.41`	`error403`	`EmleyMoor, is i8x0m a sound driver?`
`23:56.56`	`EmleyMoor`	`modem`
`23:57.07`	`error403`	`EmleyMoor, ah, ok... Ignore me then`
`23:57.16`	`*** part/#debian gozz (n=gozz@pool-71-114-180-6.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net)`
`23:57.21`	`tummyacid`	`anyone here have a favorite way of watching shoutcast video streams in gnome?`
`23:57.23`	`Azar`	`xgc_, you want to stay with woody?`
`23:57.25`	`error403`	`looked familiar to a driver i have been wrestling with all day`
`23:57.47`	`error403`	`tummyacid, yeah, with an articulated arm and pencil`
`23:57.51`	`error403`	`:P`
`23:58.00`	`tummyacid`	`everything apt-cache search returns is for audio`
`23:58.10`	`*** join/#debian omegadark (n=gsx22@67.163.207.235)`
`23:58.18`	`*** join/#debian djtravtrav (n=djtravtr@pcp0011052024pcs.longhl01.md.comcast.net)`
`23:58.23`	`djtravtrav`	`haro?`
`23:58.25`	`tummyacid`	`how about with EXTREME prejudice?`
`23:58.43`	`djtravtrav`	`can i get help installing nvida drivers?`
`23:58.45`	`xgc_`	`Azar: yes man`
`23:58.52`	`EmleyMoor`	`Hmmm... looks like, if I ever want to use the modem again, I am depending on smlink.com coming up with a driver that works in a new kernel`
`23:58.57`	`xgc_`	`i have installed to check somethings Azar`
`23:59.01`	`error403`	`djtravtrav, nvidia for graphics card`
`23:59.02`	`error403`	`?`
`23:59.05`	`omegadark`	`i'm trying to find a kernel to work with duel xeon 550, but the only ones in the list have smp, I assume they have hyper threading enabled. My cpus do not support this`
`23:59.27`	`dvs`	`omegadark: No, those are for multiple CPUs too`
`23:59.47`	`Azar`	`xgc_ by now , if you did any apt-get update/upgrade you are using sarge's packages, as the sources.list points to "stable" and "stable" is recognized today as sarge`

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