| 00:00.10 | xgc_ | how you mean Azar sorry |
| 00:00.13 | Azar | ... so you are using a woody install with sarge packages |
| 00:00.21 | error403 | djtravtrav, /msg dpkg nvida one-liner |
| 00:00.23 | omegadark | dvs: i grabbed 2.6.8 686 smp kernel and when i picked that kernel to boot it locks up and stalls |
| 00:00.24 | xgc_ | i didn't any apt-get for while |
| 00:00.32 | Azar | xgc_ why would you want to stay in woody? |
| 00:00.47 | error403 | omegadark, tried a kernel from etch/testing? |
| 00:00.54 | xgc_ | Azar: as i said i need to test the old libc version just to check something... |
| 00:01.03 | xgc_ | and i have installed debian woody for it |
| 00:01.14 | xgc_ | but the last version to get is 2.3.2 |
| 00:01.25 | omegadark | error403: i used aptitude to grab the kernel |
| 00:01.25 | xgc_ | i need something < than this current one. |
| 00:01.28 | Azar | xgc_ ah ok the latest version? |
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| 00:01.48 | xgc_ | yea i need to check the old ones from 2.3.2 |
| 00:02.10 | Azar | the ones that used to come with woody? |
| 00:02.17 | xgc_ | no |
| 00:02.21 | xgc_ | that's the problem |
| 00:02.27 | Azar | ummm |
| 00:02.28 | omegadark | Do you thing these xeon 550 are i386 and not 686? |
| 00:02.31 | xgc_ | if i try to download anything after install the system |
| 00:02.38 | xgc_ | it wants to get the last one version |
| 00:02.38 | Azar | ok try getting an older version of woody then |
| 00:02.43 | rbd | hey guys, I have dselect set to remove a bunch of packages I don't want removed (I exited dselect but have not done any installation step yet, I only did the select step)...how do I revert my selections? |
| 00:02.55 | Azar | there are Debian 3.0 rX versions |
| 00:02.59 | xgc_ | Azar: it's 3.0rc2 |
| 00:03.04 | xgc_ | but netinstall |
| 00:03.11 | Azar | ahhhh I see |
| 00:03.19 | xgc_ | no libc ;P |
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| 00:03.25 | Azar | myself I own the original CDs |
| 00:03.41 | xgc_ | yea, to lazy to get the full version ;/ |
| 00:03.43 | Azar | xgc_ I have no idea how you will be able to test backwards |
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| 00:03.47 | Daffy-PKF | how can i see what connections that are nat-ed? something like netstat ... |
| 00:03.56 | xgc_ | shit ;/ |
| 00:04.01 | xgc_ | need to think on something. |
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| 00:04.56 | xgc_ | Azar: can i install the last version remove and install the old version ? |
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| 00:05.41 | Azar | xgc_ you can use apt-get to uninstall then install what you want |
| 00:05.51 | reisio | simplest way of getting Firefox with SVG support in Debian? |
| 00:05.52 | Azar | apt-get remove |
| 00:05.59 | xgc_ | yes |
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| 00:06.26 | xgc_ | and do you know if exists a mirror for debian 3.0 woody ? |
| 00:06.47 | Azar | it exists, at Debian site |
| 00:06.50 | xgc_ | if yes it will download libc from the debian 3.0 images |
| 00:07.00 | xgc_ | i can't see there |
| 00:07.07 | xgc_ | just for the last one |
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| 00:08.03 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, you there? |
| 00:08.03 | omegadark | ok i found out these 550 xeons are i386, since i used 686 this would cause the kernel to stall correct? |
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| 00:08.14 | Azar | xgc_ just in case would you like the Debian 2.2 Potato? |
| 00:08.24 | djtravtrav | anyone help with nvidia driver installation |
| 00:08.27 | djtravtrav | i have an error |
| 00:08.32 | abrotman | why is everyone asking about woody today? |
| 00:08.46 | terr_ | I am confused about dselect. I did an apt-get upgrade to sarge a while back and it botched!!! there are problems but generally it runs! So I just ran dselect and it tells me that there are 137 packages to upgrade. Why would it be doing this? DOesn't apt talk to dselect and visaversa? |
| 00:08.48 | abrotman | it is called oldstable now . or woody .. for oyur sources anyways |
| 00:09.03 | Azar | what a moron did this page: http://www.aboutdebian.com/install3.htm |
| 00:09.12 | error403 | abrotman, someone bent the framework of space/time/internet ? |
| 00:09.13 | xgc_ | abrotman: i just need to test some old libc. |
| 00:09.23 | abrotman | archive.debian.org |
| 00:09.24 | error403 | hmm |
| 00:09.45 | reisio | simplest way of getting Firefox with SVG support in Debian? |
| 00:09.45 | dvs | terr_: They both look at the same set of available packages |
| 00:09.49 | xgc_ | Azar: as i said i need a mirror of packages from debian 3.0 cd so i can get the old libc |
| 00:09.55 | error403 | i just realised... if you mix the internet with real life, you are living in 7-dimensional space |
| 00:10.10 | abrotman | Azar: a dumb person ? |
| 00:10.19 | terr_ | dvs - ok - then I gather there are upgrades in teh sarge release? |
| 00:10.32 | dvs | terr_: Yup. |
| 00:10.38 | abrotman | http://ftp.debian.org/dists/woody/ |
| 00:10.42 | dvs | terr_: Security stuff |
| 00:10.43 | djtravtrav | anyone help with nvidia driver installation? |
| 00:11.16 | xgc_ | abrotman: there is mirrors for apt-get ? |
| 00:11.17 | Azar | thanks abrotman, woody is hard to find nowadays on the debian site |
| 00:11.30 | abrotman | Azar: no it's not .. |
| 00:11.36 | error403 | "# Put the Debian CD #1 in the Windows system CD drive and a blank formatted floppy in the floppy drive. |
| 00:11.36 | error403 | " |
| 00:11.37 | abrotman | xgc_: what do your sources point at ? |
| 00:11.44 | abrotman | xgc_: woody/stable/oldstable ? |
| 00:11.45 | Azar | xgc_, be aware that the installation will use your connection to complete packages and your .sources.list is set to "stable" |
| 00:11.48 | error403 | What the fsck is THAT? |
| 00:11.49 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: hi |
| 00:11.51 | xgc_ | stable |
| 00:11.53 | Azar | stable is Sarge |
| 00:12.00 | abrotman | xgc_: point them at oldstable or woody |
| 00:12.06 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: for a little while, about to leave |
| 00:12.10 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, hey remember how i was saying that glx was working after i reinstalled etch? guess what... |
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| 00:12.18 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: it broke? |
| 00:12.26 | xgc_ | what's the difference from oldstable to woody ? |
| 00:12.26 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yes, and i have no idea why |
| 00:12.41 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: hrm, did you install the nvidia drive the debian way or with the .run file? |
| 00:12.46 | Azar | woody is the oldstable, you can use any of those names in sources |
| 00:12.47 | Gnea | *driver |
| 00:12.54 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, the debian way of course |
| 00:12.57 | xgc_ | nice |
| 00:13.01 | xgc_ | i will try in a minute |
| 00:13.05 | froztbyte | is the module loaded? (i know it's like a real stupid question) |
| 00:13.07 | Azar | use woody, so to be easier |
| 00:13.14 | froztbyte | is the module loaded? (i know it's *sounds* like a real stupid question) |
| 00:13.17 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: :) that's odd - any updates/upgrades thereafter? |
| 00:13.29 | terr_ | dvs - I take it then I can use either apt-get upgrade or dselect. If so which is prefered? And how does synaptec fit into the picture? |
| 00:13.29 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: and what's it tripping on? |
| 00:13.34 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, aside from installing normal crap, no |
| 00:13.44 | djtravtrav | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.44 | djtravtrav | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.44 | djtravtrav | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.44 | djtravtrav | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:13.47 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, it's not tripping on anything afaik, glxgears just gets ~100fps |
| 00:13.58 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: the same thing again?! |
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| 00:14.03 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, indeed |
| 00:14.05 | djtravtrav | woops sorry |
| 00:14.15 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, it was working fine for about a day or so |
| 00:14.20 | error403 | djtravtrav, do you have contrib and non-free sources enabled? |
| 00:14.22 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: is that a dual-booting system or pure linux? |
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| 00:14.32 | Azar | djtravtrav, your url links in your sources list should contain "non-free" |
| 00:14.45 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, it can dual-boot, but it hasn't been booting anything but linux for a few months |
| 00:14.59 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: xp? |
| 00:15.03 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yes |
| 00:15.11 | dvs | terr_: apt-get is the easier of the two if you don't mind the command line. I like Synaptic myself. |
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| 00:15.27 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, but again xp has not been booted since i reinstalled, and some time before too |
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| 00:15.38 | djtravtrav | how do i enable them? |
| 00:15.48 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: try booting into that and see what sort of FPS you get with some sorta FPS tester (a game, maybe?) i don't know what the defacto windows fps testing algorithm consists of these days... |
| 00:15.48 | Azar | djtravtrav, like this: deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ Sarge main non-free contrib |
| 00:15.49 | flora | does anyone know which freakin libmysqlclient i need to use to be able to make phpmyadmin work with mysql 4.1+ ? |
| 00:15.57 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, i check in nvidia-settings and opengl draw to vsync is disabled too |
| 00:15.58 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: i gotta go |
| 00:16.08 | Gnea | HRM |
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| 00:16.13 | Guerin | flora: php4-mysql |
| 00:16.18 | Azar | djtravtrav, all your links should have that format |
| 00:16.24 | gozz | could somone tell me how to fix this? |
| 00:16.27 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, uhm well since it was getting 1000+ fps in linux yesterday i assume the hardware is fine ;) |
| 00:16.34 | xgc_ | Azar and abrotman it works perfectly. old libc now for my tests. thanks you. |
| 00:16.34 | gozz | debian:/home/gozz# mount /dev/hda6 |
| 00:16.35 | gozz | [mntent]: warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab |
| 00:16.35 | gozz | debian:/home/gozz# |
| 00:16.39 | terr_ | dvs: I just wanted to know if one is obsolete or incompatible. |
| 00:16.39 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: that could be it - i'll have to double check that when i get home |
| 00:16.40 | abrotman | xgc_: i'ms orry :) |
| 00:16.44 | flora | Guerin: i got that installed |
| 00:16.46 | Guerin | Gnea: don't fucking paste |
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| 00:16.53 | Azar | xgc_ thank abrotman, he is the expert |
| 00:16.53 | abrotman | gozz: seems self-explantory no? |
| 00:16.54 | Guerin | flora: what isn't working? |
| 00:16.54 | Gnea | Guerin: shut your hole |
| 00:16.56 | dvs | terr_: Nope. Either one is fine |
| 00:16.59 | xgc_ | abrotman: btw the guys asking for woody was me :P |
| 00:17.05 | Azar | :) omg nice |
| 00:17.08 | terr_ | dvs - thanks. |
| 00:17.09 | flora | i get #1251 - Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client in phpmyadmin |
| 00:17.12 | Guerin | Gnea: fuck off, you know the rules. |
| 00:17.14 | abrotman | xgc_: you all day ? |
| 00:17.19 | xgc_ | not all day |
| 00:17.20 | SerajewelKS | gozz, echo >> /etc/fstab |
| 00:17.21 | Gnea | Guerin: i didn't fucking paste you assgoblin |
| 00:17.22 | djtravtrav | azar, i dont get it =/ |
| 00:17.24 | abrotman | xgc_: ah ok |
| 00:17.27 | dvs | terr_: No problem |
| 00:17.27 | xgc_ | just one time |
| 00:17.27 | xgc_ | hehe |
| 00:17.30 | abrotman | assgoblin? |
| 00:17.31 | xgc_ | well thanks. |
| 00:17.33 | abrotman | xgc_: enjoy! |
| 00:17.33 | xgc_ | gn8 all. |
| 00:17.33 | Guerin | Gnea: oh, sorry |
| 00:17.37 | Gnea | Guerin: that was djtravtrav |
| 00:17.38 | Guerin | Gnea: that was for gozz |
| 00:17.41 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:17.57 | abrotman | Gnea: could you work that into a normal conversation? |
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| 00:18.09 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: anyway, see what winxp produces, i'll be back in an hour or so |
| 00:18.11 | terr_ | dvs - I'll let it run. I hope the system survives. Also I am hoping this will fix the <defunct> processes problem that showed up after the u/g from woody. BTW - I did like my woody. |
| 00:18.17 | dvs | Can you please use that in a sentence? |
| 00:18.22 | abrotman | please! |
| 00:18.22 | Azar | djtravtrav, any url link contained in your /etc/sources.list has to have that format: deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ Sarge main non-free contrib meaning, it will END with main non-free contrib |
| 00:18.26 | Guerin | flora: using what branch of debian? |
| 00:18.27 | terr_ | dvs - but sarge has so many improvements. |
| 00:18.27 | pinewood | Where do I set the APT::Force-LoopBreak option? |
| 00:18.31 | Gnea | THE ASSGOBLINS ARE COMING!!! |
| 00:18.33 | flora | Guerin: sarge |
| 00:18.36 | abrotman | Gnea: go home! |
| 00:18.37 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:18.39 | Gnea | hahahahah |
| 00:18.43 | Guerin | !force-loopbreak |
| 00:18.43 | dpkg | 'apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade'. Fix suggested by xk. Then you can remove or purge outdated packages after the upgrade. |
| 00:18.50 | Guerin | flora: pure sarge? |
| 00:18.57 | Guerin | flora: including phpmyadmin? |
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| 00:19.07 | flora | yup pure sarge incl apach2, mysql4 and phpmyadmin |
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| 00:19.15 | cockslap | crond 0-59/5 * * * * /bin/speed.sh |
| 00:19.15 | pinewood | Guerin: thanks |
| 00:19.17 | cockslap | is that a correct command |
| 00:19.20 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php4 and php4-mysql |
| 00:19.21 | cockslap | to put something in crond? |
| 00:19.21 | dvs | terr_: It should survive. The upgrades are pretty easy. |
| 00:19.23 | Gnea | *gone* |
| 00:19.27 | Guerin | flora: what libmysqlclient package have you installed? |
| 00:19.41 | flora | abrotman: got both those |
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| 00:19.48 | flora | Guerin: libmysqlclient14 |
| 00:19.54 | abrotman | flora: and you did restart apache ... right ? |
| 00:20.02 | Guerin | that should be right |
| 00:20.02 | flora | yup rebooted the whole damn box |
| 00:20.07 | Azar | djtravtrav, you need to access, open and edit the file in the /etc/apt named /sources.list |
| 00:20.14 | abrotman | flora: and what happens when you try to load the page ? |
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| 00:20.39 | flora | it works fine with mysql 4.0.24 but not with 4.1+ |
| 00:20.43 | flora | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.58 | abrotman | don't you need the .. other library .. that php4-mysql doesn't supprt ? |
| 00:21.12 | flora | which one is that? |
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| 00:21.30 | cockslap | how do i run a .sh file every ~20 seconds? |
| 00:21.33 | abrotman | flora: apparently the one the one that doesn't work |
| 00:21.35 | abrotman | cockslap: cron |
| 00:21.42 | abrotman | flora: uhm .. sarge ? |
| 00:21.42 | dondelelcaro | cockslap: while sleep 20s; do ./foo.sh; done; |
| 00:21.42 | cockslap | whats teh exact command please |
| 00:21.44 | dvs | abrotman: seconds? |
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| 00:21.47 | flora | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:21.48 | abrotman | or that |
| 00:21.49 | cockslap | crond 0-59/5 * * * * /bin/speed.sh |
| 00:21.50 | dondelelcaro | cockslap: man bash; man sleep. |
| 00:21.50 | abrotman | dvs: yes |
| 00:21.52 | cockslap | i tried that |
| 00:22.01 | cockslap | whats wrong there? |
| 00:22.09 | dondelelcaro | cockslap: that will run every 5 minutes. man 5 crontab. |
| 00:22.21 | dvs | cockslap: */3 * * * * /bin/speed.sh |
| 00:22.29 | cockslap | thanks alot |
| 00:22.33 | abrotman | flora: http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/php4-mysql .. red is required |
| 00:22.34 | dondelelcaro | cockslap: cron runs at *most* once per minute. |
| 00:22.44 | cockslap | i c |
| 00:22.58 | cockslap | so how do i set it per minute 0-59/1 * * * * /bin/speed.sh |
| 00:22.59 | cockslap | ? |
| 00:23.08 | abrotman | cockslap: it would be all * |
| 00:23.26 | cockslap | crond */* * * * * /bin/speed.sh |
| 00:23.26 | cockslap | ? |
| 00:23.30 | error403 | no |
| 00:23.33 | Guerin | cockslap: man crontab |
| 00:23.34 | error403 | * * * * * |
| 00:23.35 | Guerin | jesus |
| 00:23.40 | Guerin | it's not rocket science |
| 00:23.44 | dvs | cockslap: listen to abrotman |
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| 00:23.47 | abrotman | cockslap: don is right .. can't run every 20 seconds from cron |
| 00:23.51 | abrotman | but it can run once a minute |
| 00:24.00 | cockslap | ok once a minute is fine then |
| 00:24.08 | cockslap | crond * * * * * /bin/speed.sh |
| 00:24.10 | cockslap | thx alot guys |
| 00:24.15 | abrotman | speed.sh? |
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| 00:24.17 | abrotman | that won't work |
| 00:24.25 | abrotman | oh wait .. ignore me |
| 00:24.27 | abrotman | should be fine |
| 00:24.32 | abrotman | that's run-parts that wlil freak |
| 00:24.46 | error403 | take speed ever minute?!?! |
| 00:24.51 | error403 | *every |
| 00:24.53 | abrotman | which has to be one of the stupidest "bugs"\ in debian |
| 00:24.53 | cockslap | no it checks speed |
| 00:24.57 | cockslap | and kicks low speeds |
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| 00:25.01 | Elly | debian is stuck at 61%: "Installing the base system" |
| 00:25.10 | cockslap | thx peeps |
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| 00:25.14 | error403 | Elly, any errors? |
| 00:25.15 | guk | does ident work with the Linksys WRTG series ... I know ident is broken in the BEFSR41 v3 and 4 series ? |
| 00:25.27 | Elly | no error403 |
| 00:25.29 | guk | oident of course ... |
| 00:25.32 | Elly | this is still the emulated system |
| 00:25.36 | Elly | on a medium-loaded 700mhz P3 |
| 00:25.39 | abrotman | flora: still there? |
| 00:25.40 | error403 | just hanging? |
| 00:25.42 | Elly | so I'm expecting slow |
| 00:25.51 | Inflate | hello, who know where I can found a good howto about building repositories? I want a pool repository |
| 00:25.51 | error403 | Elly, how long has it hanged for? |
| 00:25.52 | Elly | it's been at "Installing base packages" for quite some time |
| 00:25.58 | abrotman | hung |
| 00:26.08 | error403 | thanks abrotman, i'm tired :P |
| 00:26.13 | error403 | grammar nazi! |
| 00:26.15 | error403 | :P |
| 00:26.28 | error403 | not something i would usually get wrong |
| 00:26.29 | abrotman | actually .. been hung |
| 00:26.44 | abrotman | !kick jabberd |
| 00:26.48 | Elly | well, it can't be hung, can it? |
| 00:26.52 | Elly | I mean, how could it? |
| 00:26.54 | tummyacid | what is a good prog for viewing shoutcast video streams? all i can find is software for audio |
| 00:27.08 | Elly | qemu is indeed using 90.5% of my CPU time |
| 00:27.13 | Elly | which implies that it is doing _something_ |
| 00:27.19 | Guerin | tummyacid: what format? |
| 00:27.23 | tummyacid | nsv |
| 00:27.29 | Guerin | wtf is nsv? |
| 00:27.34 | error403 | Elly, but windows does that when its doing nothing ... :P |
| 00:27.35 | tummyacid | nullsoft streaming video |
| 00:27.38 | abrotman | Elly: here;jmp here |
| 00:27.46 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 00:27.49 | Elly | I'm not on windows, error403 ;O |
| 00:27.49 | Guerin | good luck |
| 00:27.55 | tummyacid | aye thanx |
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| 00:28.01 | terr_ | error403: that is because windows doesn't waste teh cpu like linux does. |
| 00:28.05 | error403 | Elly, just saying, CPU time != doing something useful |
| 00:28.07 | Guerin | otherwise known as "proprietary bullshit streaming format" |
| 00:28.17 | error403 | terr_, lol |
| 00:28.21 | Elly | yeah, I know |
| 00:28.28 | error403 | i mean |
| 00:28.30 | tummyacid | i didnt think nullsoft was that facist |
| 00:28.31 | Elly | shall I strace it? |
| 00:28.38 | error403 | all you have to do is look at a lot of Java apps |
| 00:28.53 | error403 | Elly, maybe - debugs arent my speciality |
| 00:29.03 | Guerin | tummyacid: winamp has never been free software ... and then they were bought by AOL or someone, right? |
| 00:29.06 | terr_ | does anyone here have any experiance in wxWidgets or dialogblocks? |
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| 00:29.13 | abrotman | Guerin: it was beer free |
| 00:29.21 | stew | Guerin: they did opensource there installer at least |
| 00:29.25 | Guerin | abrotman: i useed it for years |
| 00:29.35 | Guerin | stew: oo, yet another installer. |
| 00:29.40 | abrotman | yes .. and bought by AOL . .then AOL killed the group |
| 00:29.53 | terr_ | abrotman: even if the beer were free the diet would not be. |
| 00:29.55 | Elly | I straced it...it was in fact doing a LOT of stuff |
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| 00:30.06 | pipeline | terr_: Run, fast and fr. |
| 00:30.30 | terr_ | pipeline: my knees are not up to it. |
| 00:30.44 | terr_ | pipeline: Itore ligaments in both. |
| 00:31.07 | pipeline | terr_: running damaged ligaments won't cause you nearly so much pain as running wxwidgets |
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| 00:31.25 | djtravtrav | what is a deb-scr that i can dl the nvidia kernel source? |
| 00:31.29 | abrotman | terr_: isn't that hard to do being a desk jockey? |
| 00:31.37 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:31.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 00:31.37 | terr_ | pipeline: you have to be kidding me! haha. So I take it you use it? |
| 00:31.38 | Guerin | djtravtrav: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 00:32.01 | pipeline | terr_: Never again. Think about this for a second: It's a C++ toolkit that's intended to resemble MS MFC. Why could you possibly want to use it? |
| 00:32.10 | terr_ | abrotman: I'm a hasher too. Slipped on some ice - slipped on some wet grass. |
| 00:32.14 | djtravtrav | wow thanks lol |
| 00:32.25 | abrotman | terr_: you got high and went for a walk ? |
| 00:32.29 | terr_ | pipeline: what woudl you recomend then? |
| 00:32.29 | pipeline | terr_: If you want a fully portable toolkit, use C# + GTK#. If you want a C++ toolkit, use Qt. |
| 00:32.35 | pipeline | terr_: If you want |
| 00:32.43 | abrotman | pipeline: gtkmm |
| 00:32.53 | pipeline | abrotman: gtkmm sucks ass. And isn't portable. |
| 00:33.01 | abrotman | pipeline: i just pointed it out as C++ :) |
| 00:33.09 | abrotman | oh .. not fully portable |
| 00:33.10 | terr_ | abrotman: not ttha kind of hash. THe hash is the largest running club in the world. Just ask google. |
| 00:33.28 | abrotman | pipeline: and afaik .. C#+GTK# isn't fully portable yet |
| 00:33.34 | terr_ | pipeline: I want the x-platform support. |
| 00:33.41 | pipeline | abrotman, terr_ : Well, I suppose nothing C++ is meaningfully portable, but GTKmm is even more of a pain in the ass than porting a Qt app :P |
| 00:34.08 | pipeline | abrotman, terr_ : Well, I have C#+GTK# apps that run unmodified on Solaris, OSX, Linux, and Windows. I think that's reasonably portable. |
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| 00:34.15 | abrotman | not until mono supports window.forms or whatever crap that is |
| 00:34.28 | terr_ | pipeline: I have heard both good and bad. I'm just getting into it now. |
| 00:34.37 | pipeline | abrotman: windows.forms isn't GTK#. |
| 00:34.47 | pipeline | abrotman: It's a different library |
| 00:34.51 | abrotman | pipeline: oh . maybe with GTK .. i guess they want to put windows.forms into mono . which means GTK# won't be needed |
| 00:34.54 | terr_ | pipeline: what of the mac? |
| 00:34.55 | abrotman | at least not on windows |
| 00:34.57 | Azar | yay I found out how to change the /sources.list during installation so to correct the "stable" to "oldstable" |
| 00:35.04 | pipeline | terr_: GTK# works on macintosh, windows, and UNIX. |
| 00:35.11 | barnett | pipeline, abrotman: i thought they just finished the windows.forms implementation in mono |
| 00:35.23 | abrotman | barnett: has it been released yet? |
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| 00:35.44 | barnett | abrotman: i believe so |
| 00:35.51 | barnett | abrotman: it was in that google-sun announcement |
| 00:35.53 | pipeline | abrotman, barnett : Eh, people will keep using GTK# for the forseeable future. Windows.Forms is not very pleasant to use. Not to mention, it's ugly as sin outside of its native platform. |
| 00:35.54 | abrotman | Barnes: afaik .. it was slated for mono1.2 .. which isn't out yet |
| 00:36.04 | barnett | pipeline: that is true. but i use visual studio on windows ;-) |
| 00:36.08 | pipeline | abrotman: Windows.Forms has been more or less complete for a very long time |
| 00:36.21 | pipeline | barnett: Glade+GTK# puts VS.NET and Windows.Forms to shame. |
| 00:36.26 | abrotman | pipeline: i know .. but if mono on linux/osx/whatever supports it .. makes it fairly portable |
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| 00:36.37 | pipeline | abrotman: GTK# is already ported to "whatever" :P |
| 00:36.43 | terr_ | pipeline: wxwidgets uses GTK. so what do I gain by removing the wxWdigets layer? |
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| 00:37.05 | pipeline | terr_: Go on ahead and use wxwidgets. Have fun. Don't say I didn't warn you that it's buggy and painful :) |
| 00:37.08 | abrotman | http://www.mono-project.com/WinForms |
| 00:37.15 | djtravtrav | what is the bus identifier on a graphics card |
| 00:37.17 | djtravtrav | ? |
| 00:37.18 | abrotman | pipeline: but my code is not ported to GTK# |
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| 00:37.24 | gtlarue | how do I install eclipse on etch, I am not finding the package anywere |
| 00:37.26 | abrotman | djtravtrav: skip it |
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| 00:37.38 | abrotman | gtlarue: afaik .. there isn't one |
| 00:37.52 | terr_ | pipeline: I am going to try it. But I will keep my eyes open for the bugginess. |
| 00:37.59 | abrotman | !find eclipse etch |
| 00:38.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'eclipse' (5 of 11): (/usr/lib/predict/eclipse.wav) in hamradio/predict ;; (/usr/share/highlight/themes/ide-eclipse.style) in devel/highlight ;; (/usr/share/jetty/webapps/root/faq/eclipse.html) in contrib/web/jetty ;; (/usr/bin/eclipseemu, /usr/share/doc/simh/eclipse.txt) in otherosfs/simh ;; (/usr/share/aspectj/lib/org.eclipse.jdt.core.jar) in contrib/devel/aspectj. |
| 00:38.11 | abrotman | yeah .. nice |
| 00:38.12 | terr_ | pipeline: also I don't think I want to use C# |
| 00:38.20 | abrotman | C# isn't that bad if you know java |
| 00:38.35 | pipeline | terr_: Whatever your project is, C++ is a bad choice. |
| 00:38.44 | abrotman | could be worse .. pascal |
| 00:38.45 | pipeline | C++ is just a through and through bad language. |
| 00:38.52 | terr_ | pipeline: why do you say that? |
| 00:38.53 | pipeline | abrotman: I'd take Object Pascal over C++ any day of the week. |
| 00:38.58 | tummyacid | thanx guys other then no nsv viewing debian works wonderfully!! |
| 00:39.01 | tummyacid | catch ya later |
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| 00:39.29 | abrotman | barnett: from what i can tell .. still slated for 1.2(full supprt anyways) |
| 00:39.46 | abrotman | pipeline: that's so sad :) |
| 00:39.49 | pipeline | abrotman: On that note, the newest version of Delphi is totally .NET native. |
| 00:39.54 | pipeline | abrotman: So you'll see Pascal in the wild again |
| 00:39.56 | abrotman | eww .. Delphi |
| 00:39.59 | pipeline | abrotman: New lease on life etc etc |
| 00:40.01 | terr_ | pipeline: you can write FORTRAN in c++ so it can't be that bad. What is it about C++ that you don't like and what language do you like? |
| 00:40.03 | abrotman | pipeline: good .. fix exodus |
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| 00:40.30 | brady__ | is there a way to have python execute a script supplied by stdin? |
| 00:40.48 | abrotman | #python ? |
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| 00:41.20 | brady__ | abrotman, yes, but i have to be ``identified'' to join. and to my knowledge, i am identified, yet i am not. |
| 00:41.21 | Azar | abrotman, would you add this to dpkg list - how to edit sources list during woody installation for woody users? |
| 00:41.45 | Guerin | Azar: nobody should be installing woody |
| 00:41.51 | pipeline | terr_: Uh, I can't honestly say I like anything about C++. It's just an all-around horrible language. It lacks garbage collection. The memory management is broken. The calling convention is obscene. Name mangling is non-standard. C++ code is almost totally nonportable. There is no standard implementation. The ANSI standard is unreadable gibberish. Templates are a non-solution to a number of non-problems. Templates are |
| 00:41.51 | pipeline | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.57 | abrotman | Azar: apt-setup ? |
| 00:41.59 | Guerin | if they choose to, they get to sort it out themselves |
| 00:42.01 | Azar | Guerin :( I feel offended |
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| 00:42.14 | abrotman | brady__: you are .. and you can't join ? |
| 00:42.25 | stew | brady__: echo "print 1+2" | python |
| 00:42.27 | Azar | abrotman, you know that when someone intends to install woody the /sources.list comes with "stable" pointer |
| 00:42.28 | omegadark | ahc_pci:0:8:0: Illegal cable configuration!!. Only two connectors on the adapter may be used at a time! why do i get this error? |
| 00:42.28 | brady__ | abrotman, actually, i was mistaken |
| 00:42.31 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:42.34 | pipeline | terr_: Languages I enjoy include Ruby and Common Lisp. But just about every language is superior to C++ for most purposes :P |
| 00:42.39 | abrotman | Azar: point them at woody |
| 00:42.51 | amphi | Azar: makes sense, hysterically ;) |
| 00:43.00 | Azar | abrotman, yes but until now I did not know how to do it "during" installation |
| 00:43.02 | terr_ | pipeline: Paul graham likes lisp too. I looked at Ruby and it was pretty good. |
| 00:43.09 | amphi | Azar: my old prerelease sarge netinstall sources point at testing |
| 00:43.09 | abrotman | Azar: ah ok |
| 00:43.28 | pipeline | terr_: What I like isn't really the point here. |
| 00:43.40 | pipeline | terr_: C++ is an extremely nasty language. Avoid. |
| 00:44.07 | abrotman | it's not that bad |
| 00:44.08 | pipeline | terr_: wxwidgets is buggy even by the rather lax standards of the C++ world. Avoid. |
| 00:44.20 | pipeline | abrotman: Not that bad compared to what? JCL? RPG II? :P |
| 00:44.21 | dondelelcaro | who cares? if you like C++ use it. If you don't, don't. |
| 00:44.22 | Elly | yay, it's up to 78% |
| 00:44.25 | terr_ | pipeline: generally I've been staying with the c subset. THere are definately things in C++ that I do not like. THings like catch and throw. |
| 00:44.28 | dondelelcaro | in either case, don't bother #debian about it. |
| 00:44.30 | DjSkeets | what command would I use to add the directory 'usr/share/bin' tot he end of the current path? |
| 00:44.31 | abrotman | pipeline: i had an RPG IV class :) |
| 00:44.32 | DjSkeets | anyone know |
| 00:44.36 | abrotman | and RPG isn't that bad |
| 00:44.40 | dondelelcaro | DjSkeets: mkdir -p; man mkdir |
| 00:44.42 | pipeline | terr_: Then stick to C. C is not a subset of C++. Some C code is ambiguous or non-functional under C++. |
| 00:44.46 | Azar | during installation, when you get to the Apt Configuration screen, make your choices and before going further: Press Ctrl + Alt + F2 on your keyboard. You are now on the shell. Login as root. Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list with a text editor (e.g. vi) and replace stable with woody wherever it appears. Then run apt-get update, then press Ctrl + Alt + F1 to return to the installation screen. |
| 00:44.51 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 00:44.53 | abrotman | mkdir ? |
| 00:45.01 | DjSkeets | make dir? |
| 00:45.06 | abrotman | you mean edit /etc/profile ? |
| 00:45.08 | dvs | mate dir/ |
| 00:45.16 | DjSkeets | whats the answer? |
| 00:45.16 | abrotman | he wants to add a dir to a path |
| 00:45.25 | DjSkeets | to the end of the current path |
| 00:45.40 | DjSkeets | mkdir -p; man mkdir doesnt work |
| 00:45.42 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: damned if I know; if he means add it to PATH, export PATH="/usr/share/bin:$PATH"; |
| 00:45.51 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think he means systemwide :) |
| 00:46.07 | abrotman | DjSkeets: system wide ? |
| 00:46.16 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:46.25 | DjSkeets | wrong |
| 00:46.38 | abrotman | DjSkeets: you want to add /usr/share/bin/ to your $PATH ? |
| 00:46.43 | abrotman | or systemwide $PATH ? |
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| 00:46.47 | DjSkeets | the question is |
| 00:46.48 | dondelelcaro | !vagueness |
| 00:46.48 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 00:47.11 | DjSkeets | What command woudl you use to add the directory 'usr/shared/bin' to the end of your current path |
| 00:47.15 | terr_ | I just used alien to create a .deb from a .rpm. Now I would like to install it. What is the command? dpkg -b filename.deb?? This is confusing because the package is already built. alien did that! |
| 00:47.24 | pipeline | abrotman: heh. If you say so. I find it intimidating. |
| 00:47.25 | abrotman | export PATH="$PATH:/usr/share/bin" |
| 00:47.34 | abrotman | pipeline: it was way better than cobol :) |
| 00:47.37 | pipeline | abrotman: Now I'm halfassedly trying to learn OO COBOL. |
| 00:47.38 | mz_work | terr_: dpkg -i |
| 00:47.39 | abrotman | IMO anyways |
| 00:47.42 | dondelelcaro | terr_: dpkg -i foo.deb; but don't do that if you can avoid it. |
| 00:47.44 | pipeline | abrotman: OO COBOL is still less horrible than C++ :P |
| 00:47.49 | abrotman | ouch |
| 00:47.59 | DjSkeets | doenst work |
| 00:48.00 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: why? |
| 00:48.09 | abrotman | DjSkeets: are you not using bash ? |
| 00:48.29 | dondelelcaro | terr_: make a real Debian package unless you don't have a choice in the matter; turning rpms into .debs can lead to pain and suffering. |
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| 00:48.37 | abrotman | ok .. fine |
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| 00:49.02 | abrotman | DjSkeets: no workie ? |
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| 00:49.06 | DjSkeets | nope :S |
| 00:49.08 | DjSkeets | doesnt work |
| 00:49.08 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: I do not think I have a choice. Its for DialogBlocks which is a commercial app. |
| 00:49.11 | dondelelcaro | DjSkeets: Tell us exactly what you're trying to do |
| 00:49.13 | abrotman | DjSkeets: are you using bash ? |
| 00:49.13 | pipeline | abrotman: OO COBOL isn't as bad as you would expect it to be. Heck, it takes some of the sting out of COBOL. And, as mentioned, I'd take either one, with one hand tied behind my back, and wax dripping into my eyes, before touching C++ again. |
| 00:49.18 | dondelelcaro | terr_: right, then yes; do the alien thing. |
| 00:49.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: in his current shell . he's trying to append /usr/share/bin to his $PATH |
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| 00:49.34 | Guerin | pipeline: you really don't like c++ |
| 00:49.40 | pipeline | Guerin: What tipped you off? |
| 00:49.43 | amphi | DjSkeets: what does echo $SHELL say? |
| 00:49.45 | Guerin | pipeline: the wax |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | pipeline: RPG really isn't that bad .. |
| 00:49.49 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: that's the solution he's thinking of for his current problem, but he hasn't explained what the "real" problem is |
| 00:50.08 | abrotman | or why there's a /usr/share/bin ? |
| 00:50.13 | DjSkeets | says |
| 00:50.14 | pipeline | abrotman: Maybe it's not that bad if you have a local AS/400. Which I do not. Learning from a book = pain and suffering. |
| 00:50.16 | DjSkeets | says /bin/bash |
| 00:50.33 | abrotman | pipeline: i had a book .. and XEDIT (which is a whole pile of hurt you never want) |
| 00:50.38 | abrotman | on the as 400 |
| 00:50.58 | amphi | DjSkeets: does ls /usr/share/bin show any files? |
| 00:51.02 | abrotman | DjSkeets: and when you type `export PATH="$PATH:/usr/share/bin" .. you get an error ? |
| 00:51.11 | abrotman | err .. ignore the ` |
| 00:51.16 | DjSkeets | no such file or dir |
| 00:51.22 | abrotman | well .. who's fault is that? |
| 00:51.22 | DjSkeets | im doing a quiz |
| 00:51.29 | abrotman | is there a damn /usr/share/bin ? |
| 00:51.31 | DjSkeets | its done remotely on a ssh |
| 00:51.34 | dvs | abrotman: I learned XEDIT on a 390? |
| 00:51.36 | amphi | DjSkeets: whiskey tango foxtrot? |
| 00:51.44 | abrotman | dvs: i don't remember what it was .. a big IBM machine :) |
| 00:51.51 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: well - its says all done and set up - but I can't find it in the kde menus. |
| 00:51.51 | abrotman | dvs: but XEDIT .. SUCKS! |
| 00:51.53 | DjSkeets | foxtrot uniform charlie kelo this shit lol |
| 00:52.01 | dvs | abrotman: Agreed! Big time! |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | edlin is better :) |
| 00:52.15 | CompWizrd | they made me the administrator of our as/400 at work |
| 00:52.31 | dondelelcaro | terr_: it probably won't be added unless you modify the kde menus appropriately; that sort of thing is OS specific |
| 00:52.34 | terr_ | dvs xedit is not so bad. Its good for casual users |
| 00:52.35 | CompWizrd | i know basically very little about os/400 :) |
| 00:52.42 | DjSkeets | oh well thanks for ur help guys |
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| 00:52.48 | abrotman | no .. xedit .. is the worst editor ever created |
| 00:52.59 | dvs | terr_: Casual users from HELL! ;-) |
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| 00:53.03 | terr_ | dondelelcaro: maybe the docs will say how to find it. |
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| 00:53.13 | Pres-Gas | Hey, all. Any suggestions for a good, general IDE for Debian Testing? I cannot seem to find kdevelop3, though |
| 00:53.18 | dondelelcaro | right-i-o... |
| 00:53.20 | abrotman | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 00:53.29 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: fix fix fix! |
| 00:53.40 | terr_ | dvs I've used it - it wasn't great but I was impressed with what the committee did. I know lots of people who use it a lot. |
| 00:53.46 | Guerin | wheee ... let's see if I can set up a jabberd to authenticate over ssl into my virtual mail user database |
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| 00:54.07 | terr_ | dvs what would you suggest? |
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| 00:54.26 | abrotman | bah.. still locked |
| 00:54.31 | dvs | terr_: I like XEmacs the best. |
| 00:54.32 | abrotman | cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/||/|/ |
| 00:54.42 | kelan | are the debian stock 2.6 kernels built with the pre-emptive feature? |
| 00:54.44 | gsx22 | do they make a i386 duel kernel or do i have to compile one myself? |
| 00:54.48 | abrotman | cmd: beer (.*?) =~ s/Optimater/Optimator/ |
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| 00:55.14 | abrotman | gsx22: what is your CPU ? |
| 00:55.16 | Xenguy | terr_: emacs is crazy and so is vim -- but they're still the best to learn if you ask me ;-) |
| 00:55.26 | Pryon | s/Optimator/Salvator/ |
| 00:55.32 | gsx22 | gsx22 = omegadark, the 550 xeons |
| 00:55.43 | pipeline | terr_: scite :P |
| 00:55.46 | Azar | where to add that vim has a very fun vimtutor for beginners |
| 00:55.47 | Guerin | hm |
| 00:55.48 | terr_ | dvs I use XEMACS. Its ok too. I also use vim. I'd really like to get Brief running. |
| 00:55.53 | Guerin | seems I'd need jabber2 for that |
| 00:56.10 | gsx22 | abrotman: these are i386 not the 686 |
| 00:56.14 | terr_ | Breif was written by underware and it is excellent. |
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| 00:56.25 | abrotman | gsx22: you have dual 386 25Mhz chips ? |
| 00:56.36 | abrotman | gsx22: what is the speed of the CPUs ? |
| 00:56.36 | Xenguy | haha, underware :P |
| 00:57.05 | gsx22 | 550 pent 3 |
| 00:57.11 | Guerin | !686 |
| 00:57.12 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
| 00:57.13 | abrotman | those are 686 |
| 00:57.15 | terr_ | Xenguy: Hey - I'm not kidding. THen they sold it to borland and borland has it sitting on a shelf unused - not being sold - such a waste. |
| 00:57.20 | abrotman | gsx22: sarge or etch or sid ? |
| 00:57.27 | gsx22 | sarge |
| 00:57.32 | terr_ | gsx22: what chipset? |
| 00:57.38 | abrotman | gsx22: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
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| 00:57.47 | abrotman | or 2.4 instead of 2.6 if you prefer |
| 00:58.04 | Xenguy | terr_: I guess FOSS helps to minimize 'waste' :-) |
| 00:58.34 | gsx22 | abrotman, I tried that kernel the othernight and when i go to boot that kernel it stalls |
| 00:58.45 | magyar | whats the best way to synchronize files on two local servers? |
| 00:58.54 | abrotman | gsx22: then use the 2.4 version |
| 00:59.03 | terr_ | Xenguy: yes - it does that. |
| 00:59.06 | gsx22 | terr_ unsure of the chipset this machine is kayak xw |
| 00:59.06 | Xenguy | magyar: rsync... |
| 00:59.14 | Xenguy | magyar: unison is interesting too |
| 00:59.17 | rutski89 | Has anyone here read this book: http://tinyurl.com/7v7ls ? |
| 00:59.21 | abrotman | gsx22: HP does bad stuff |
| 00:59.26 | terr_ | Xenguy: but I would still like to see some monetary compensation for FOSS developers. |
| 00:59.28 | magyar | Xenguy, thanks |
| 00:59.31 | gsx22 | oohhh ya, but i got this for free :) |
| 00:59.43 | abrotman | gsx22: try a 2.4-686-smp |
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| 00:59.53 | abrotman | or try just a 2.6-686 |
| 01:00.01 | gsx22 | ok will grab now |
| 01:00.05 | Elly | meh |
| 01:00.08 | Xenguy | terr_: in many cases there is; it just isn't a defining criterion for the hacker culture tho |
| 01:00.11 | terr_ | gsx22: check out www.upgradeware.com That puppy can probably be ug'd to a 1.4 GHz PIII |
| 01:00.13 | Elly | my 'minimal debian install' turned out to be >200MB |
| 01:00.14 | Xenguy | magyar: yw |
| 01:00.18 | Elly | I need to get rid of most of this |
| 01:00.22 | abrotman | Elly: yes .. that happens |
| 01:00.32 | Elly | removing stuff is always harder |
| 01:00.43 | Elly | does it install kde by default? |
| 01:00.44 | terr_ | Xenguy: so few do so much for so many and get nothing for it. |
| 01:00.48 | abrotman | no |
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| 01:01.19 | terr_ | Xenguy: I guess the guys who invented English didn't get paid. If they had we could have had professionals who didn't fuhk up the spellin. |
| 01:01.27 | Xenguy | terr_: You sound like Bill Gates at the time of his 'Open Letter' ;-) |
| 01:01.40 | terr_ | Xenguy: what letter was that? |
| 01:01.41 | abrotman | terr_: not likely |
| 01:01.47 | abrotman | terr_: those kayaks are great .. but finicky |
| 01:02.03 | abrotman | usually Dual PIII with SCSI drives ... |
| 01:02.07 | abrotman | and LCD thingies .. |
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| 01:02.16 | abrotman | basically .com desktops :) |
| 01:02.17 | gsx22 | yup |
| 01:02.26 | gsx22 | what they are |
| 01:02.29 | Xenguy | terr_: wish I had a URL for you :-) |
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| 01:02.38 | terr_ | abrotman: dual is quite a lot more expensive because you cannot use a celeron. |
| 01:02.50 | terr_ | Xenguy: for what? |
| 01:02.52 | abrotman | terr_: that has nothing to do with it |
| 01:03.09 | Xenguy | terr_: Open Letter to Computer Enthusiasts (or something like that) |
| 01:03.10 | abrotman | terr_: the kayaks were supposed to be top of the line workstations(x86 anyways) of the time .. and they really were |
| 01:03.19 | meff | http://www.gebrauchtecomputer.de/shop/images/HP-Kayak-XW.jpg |
| 01:03.21 | meff | :) |
| 01:03.35 | abrotman | meff: they had better .. i've seen them :) |
| 01:03.36 | terr_ | abrotman: I never heard of them. |
| 01:03.58 | abrotman | terr_: fantastic machines .. but like i said . finicky |
| 01:04.07 | terr_ | abrotman: I am a clone man!!! If they could clone Elzabeth Shue I would DEFINATELY be a clone man! |
| 01:04.09 | gsx22 | mine looks better then that |
| 01:04.14 | meff | they actually dont look ugly, abrotman heh |
| 01:04.30 | meff | like most of hp's stuff ;) |
| 01:04.36 | abrotman | http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/0/7/3/5/2/webimg/1464129_tp.jpg |
| 01:04.40 | abrotman | see the funyn LCD things |
| 01:04.56 | meff | that one is ugly :P |
| 01:04.57 | terr_ | I had a clone (almost) if Elle McPherson for a while. haha. |
| 01:05.18 | terr_ | s/if/of/ |
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| 01:07.17 | abrotman | terr_: then you got high and broke your knee ? |
| 01:07.20 | gsx22 | http://a1017.lm.a.yimg.com/7/1017/1783/000/img51.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/9/6/0/1/horc24-thumb-1109914653.jpg thats mine but small pic |
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| 01:07.40 | abrotman | gsx22: that's more like i remember/used |
| 01:07.40 | terr_ | abrotman: haha - no I slipped on some wet grass and tore a ligament. |
| 01:07.42 | Xenguy | terr_: 2/3/76 Bill Gates is one of the first programmers to raise the issue of software piracy. In his "An Open Letter to Hobbyists," first published in MITS newsletter "Computer Notes" and later in several other newsletters and magazines), Gates accuses hobbyists of stealing software and thus preventing "...good software from being written." "If you are STILL using Altair BASIC 1.1, you have a copy that was stolen in March 1975!" He propheti |
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| 01:08.16 | Xenguy | terr_: haha, not my exact description, but the best that google could do :-) |
| 01:08.28 | terr_ | Xenguy: I do remember something about that now. |
| 01:08.57 | Xenguy | terr_: Anyhow, I've completely forgotten now why I even mentioned it ;-) |
| 01:09.07 | terr_ | Xenguy: shareware at that time was pretty crappy... and I know of a lot of ppl that broke the agreements. |
| 01:09.08 | abrotman | because we do so much for no return |
| 01:09.20 | abrotman | at that time? |
| 01:09.24 | flora | ok this is driving me CRAZY |
| 01:09.25 | abrotman | shareware still blows :) |
| 01:09.27 | terr_ | Xenguy: because I commented on the waste of taking an excellent editor and shelving it. |
| 01:09.29 | abrotman | flora: what is ? |
| 01:09.30 | flora | #1251 - Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client |
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| 01:09.37 | abrotman | flora: i told you .. a LONG time ago |
| 01:09.42 | flora | :( |
| 01:09.47 | informatics | hoy |
| 01:09.52 | flora | i did what you said! |
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| 01:09.55 | abrotman | flora: do you really need to use phpmyadmin ? |
| 01:10.05 | terr_ | Xenguy: a HUGE Canadian Government owned oil company decided to by 1 copy of Lotus for the entire company. |
| 01:10.13 | flora | abrotman i would REALLY like to |
| 01:10.18 | abrotman | flora: no you didn't .. i told you to look at the webpage that says you can't use libmysqlclient14 with php4-mysql |
| 01:10.24 | gsx22 | abrotman: any idea why i get ahc_pci:0:8:0: Illegal cable configuration!!. Only two connectors on the adapter may be used at a time! any idea? I have seems posts with my same setup with this error but no answers |
| 01:10.29 | flora | abrotman: oh |
| 01:10.33 | flora | i'm so dumb i hate myself |
| 01:10.35 | abrotman | flora: let me show you |
| 01:10.45 | flora | so should i apt-get remove libmysqlclient14? |
| 01:10.50 | abrotman | flora: http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/php4-mysql |
| 01:10.57 | abrotman | flora: see the red dot next to libmysqlclient12 ? |
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| 01:11.05 | flora | yes |
| 01:11.07 | flora | i installed that one |
| 01:11.11 | abrotman | that means it's .. REQUIRED :) |
| 01:11.17 | Xenguy | terr_: I remember thinking shareware was a cool idea (and it is), then thinking, wow, this freeware stuff is great, and then finally realizing that linux had not only open source software, but an open source OS too :-D |
| 01:11.19 | flora | i installed it even |
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| 01:11.29 | abrotman | flora: but .. libmysqlclient12 wont' work with mysql4.1 afaik |
| 01:11.38 | abrotman | oh wait . .it says it will |
| 01:11.39 | abrotman | so use that one |
| 01:11.56 | abrotman | (i think it's lying.. but what do i know) |
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| 01:12.18 | abrotman | gsx22: it's scsi ? |
| 01:12.22 | terr_ | Xenguy: I was late getting into unix/linux. I have to admit that I have a great deal of respect for FOSS developers. |
| 01:12.23 | students_ | hello |
| 01:12.26 | flora | ok so i remove libmysqlclient14 |
| 01:12.42 | abrotman | flora: you'll probably have to restart apache and mysql |
| 01:12.47 | flora | roger |
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| 01:12.57 | gsx22 | yes scsi |
| 01:12.58 | Xenguy | terr_: the whole FOSS thing is pretty amazing in general |
| 01:13.05 | terr_ | Xenguy: even programmers who work for a company should use the GPL where ever possible because some day they may quite or be fired and who in their right mind wants to leave years of work behind. |
| 01:13.09 | abrotman | gsx22: how many drives are plugged into the cable ? |
| 01:13.10 | flora | sidenote: what is this about?: www:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 01:13.10 | flora | Stopping web server: Apache2 ... no pidfile found! not running?. |
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| 01:13.13 | students_ | where can i download the video player for linux |
| 01:13.24 | abrotman | flora: it thinks it wasn't running |
| 01:13.26 | students_ | help please |
| 01:13.29 | amphi | !tell students_ about marillat |
| 01:13.35 | Xenguy | terr_: sharing is in the interest of us all :-) |
| 01:13.35 | abrotman | students_: THE video player? .. WHICH video player? |
| 01:13.42 | gsx22 | abrotman: 1 HD hooked to 16bit scsi on mobo, another drive hooked to pci combo card 8bit scsi |
| 01:13.44 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to "inject" (for lack of a better term) some nonsensical term onto a program's command-line such that it shows up in 'ps' output? |
| 01:13.46 | flora | that happens on all my sarge/apache2 machines |
| 01:13.49 | students_ | any |
| 01:13.58 | abrotman | gsx22: i think it's your old kernel! |
| 01:14.04 | students_ | any vid player for linux |
| 01:14.12 | abrotman | flora: i'd noticed it too .. i think i ignored it :) |
| 01:14.16 | meff | mplayer and xine are what you want |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | totem! |
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| 01:14.29 | meff | totem :/ |
| 01:14.32 | flora | so i just rebooted |
| 01:14.34 | flora | anyway |
| 01:14.34 | amphi | students_: mplayer will play pretty much anything |
| 01:14.34 | students_ | yeah where can i get that?? |
| 01:14.36 | flora | its back up |
| 01:14.39 | flora | still not working |
| 01:14.39 | gsx22 | abrotman: could be, i'm rebooting and going to see what 2.4 smp does |
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| 01:14.44 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:14.51 | abrotman | flora: what's the error again? |
| 01:15.03 | flora | #1251 - Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client |
| 01:15.28 | SerajewelKS | flora, you need to enable old_passwords in the config file |
| 01:15.41 | SerajewelKS | flora, then you need to go through all your users and set their passwords to OLD_PASSWORD('their passwird') |
| 01:15.55 | abrotman | flora: http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2005/03/msg00090.html .. make sense? |
| 01:16.03 | flora | SerajewelKS: i added old_passwords to my.ini |
| 01:16.12 | abrotman | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/access-denied.html |
| 01:16.19 | abrotman | http://us2.php.net/function.mysql-connect |
| 01:16.20 | SerajewelKS | flora, that will not modify *existing* new-style passwords on accounts |
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| 01:17.02 | xerophyte | could somebody dig dubaidesertclassic.com i mean it works in localhost and when i do with dns ip it works but when i do it normally it get error does anybody know whats wrong with it |
| 01:17.07 | meff | anyone know of a way to convert miscellaneous avi's to a dvd? |
| 01:17.44 | meff | program, howto, whatever |
| 01:17.52 | Seb | meff: dvdauthor ? |
| 01:18.03 | abrotman | xerophyte: i got nothing |
| 01:18.10 | Seb | meff: qdvdauthor would be the GUI front-end |
| 01:18.29 | meff | mmka will look Seb |
| 01:18.40 | Seb | xerophyte: doesn't resolve for me either |
| 01:18.45 | abrotman | xerophyte: seems neither dns server is resolving |
| 01:18.47 | abrotman | or answering |
| 01:18.49 | abrotman | or alive |
| 01:18.53 | abrotman | or making eggs |
| 01:18.55 | xerophyte | abrotman, dig NS2.DUBAIDESERTCLASSIC.COM |
| 01:18.56 | abrotman | oh .. maybe making babies |
| 01:19.15 | abrotman | xerophyte: fine |
| 01:19.19 | xerophyte | abrotman, that works and dig dubaidesertclassic.com @63.247.94.27 |
| 01:19.25 | xerophyte | that works too |
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| 01:19.30 | abrotman | xerophyte: ns1 is dead |
| 01:19.31 | xerophyte | so the dns working just wondeirng whats wrong with it |
| 01:19.40 | abrotman | oh . there it is |
| 01:19.41 | abrotman | odd |
| 01:19.43 | flora | HOLY SHIT |
| 01:19.47 | abrotman | POO! |
| 01:19.51 | flora | ok thank you SerajewelKS and abrotman |
| 01:19.52 | abrotman | FLYING POO! |
| 01:19.52 | flora | sheesh |
| 01:19.55 | flora | that was freakin epic |
| 01:20.00 | Seb | abrotman: nah, doesn't work for me |
| 01:20.01 | gsx22 | abrotman: /proc/cpuinfo shows both cpus now and 2.4 boots, way would 2.6 smp stall? |
| 01:20.06 | abrotman | Seb: it's .. iffy .. |
| 01:20.13 | abrotman | gsx22: huh ? |
| 01:20.20 | CompWizrd | terr_: i have a dual celeron 433 in a fileserver at work.. i must be strange though :) |
| 01:20.22 | flora | libmysqlclient12 + OLD_PASSWORDS in my.ini + resetting the existing password |
| 01:20.32 | flora | sheeeshers ok urge to kill fading, fading... |
| 01:20.35 | abrotman | flora: + reading !! |
| 01:20.42 | flora | ack! |
| 01:20.43 | abrotman | and + google! |
| 01:20.49 | flora | ack + ack! |
| 01:20.59 | xerophyte | abrotman, do you have any idea whats wrong just wondering |
| 01:20.59 | terr_ | CompWizrd: what speed? |
| 01:21.03 | abrotman | xerophyte: your name servers are ... not having a good time |
| 01:21.12 | Seb | syn/ack |
| 01:21.20 | xerophyte | abrotman, do you know how to fix it |
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| 01:21.23 | Seb | abrotman: this is an euphemism |
| 01:21.28 | abrotman | abrotman@mycomp:~$ nslookup NS1.DUBAIDESERTCLASSIC.COM |
| 01:21.28 | abrotman | ;; Warning: ID mismatch: expected ID 59656, got 16154 |
| 01:21.31 | CompWizrd | terr_: the 433's, the 533 and above wouldn't do SMP |
| 01:21.38 | abrotman | xerophyte: ^^ |
| 01:21.41 | gsx22 | abrotman: 2.4 smp kernel is working, i would rather use 2.6 but why would 2.6 smp stall |
| 01:21.55 | stew | xerophyte: http://dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=dubaidesertclassic.com |
| 01:22.02 | Seb | xerophyte: you running bind ? |
| 01:22.07 | abrotman | gsx22: because HP does bad stuff to motherboards .. trust me .. i tried for 2 years to get AGP working on an HP Netserver E60 |
| 01:22.09 | terr_ | CompWizrd: you can u/g to 1.4 Piii in all liklihood. |
| 01:22.17 | CompWizrd | terje`: abit bp6 motherboard |
| 01:22.21 | abrotman | terr_: NO |
| 01:22.22 | CompWizrd | it's barely stable at stock :) |
| 01:22.23 | xerophyte | Seb, yes |
| 01:22.24 | Seb | abrotman: i sorta like the proliant servers. |
| 01:22.30 | gsx22 | so i'm stuck with 2.4 then |
| 01:22.33 | abrotman | Seb: it was free .. yay .com failure! |
| 01:22.34 | Seb | abrotman: but i have to admit i only have console on them, no X |
| 01:22.35 | CompWizrd | actually, i get about 6 months uptime on nt 4.0 enterprise |
| 01:22.43 | CompWizrd | i'm just too busy to replace it with a new samba server |
| 01:22.49 | Seb | xerophyte: well, how much do you know about DNS ? |
| 01:22.54 | abrotman | terr_: what form factor is PIII 1.4Ghz ? |
| 01:22.55 | xerophyte | stew, true ns server fails but it reponse to it when directly do the dig |
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| 01:23.10 | terr_ | www.upgradeware.com |
| 01:23.13 | xerophyte | Seb, i know avegrage this should work but its not working just wondering what seems to be the issues |
| 01:23.21 | abrotman | terr_: and what slot/socket is PIII 500 ? |
| 01:23.33 | Seb | xerophyte: i mean, it's a complex field, some people do DNS maintenance/setup as their only job |
| 01:23.37 | dvs | abrotman: Probably slot 1 |
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| 01:23.41 | terr_ | abrotman: they have the i/f cards. |
| 01:23.46 | abrotman | oh fuck that |
| 01:23.58 | terr_ | abrotman: I did it and it is well worth it. |
| 01:24.00 | stew | xerophyte: ns servers don't respond to me at all |
| 01:24.03 | xerophyte | stew, dnsreport says it can not connect to ns dig dubaidesertclassic.com @63.247.92.26 dig dubaidesertclassic.com @63.247.92.27 so both ns server works i dont know why does it says it connect |
| 01:24.07 | abrotman | let me not screw up my SMP box with freakish 3rd party electronics |
| 01:24.15 | xerophyte | stew, do dig dubaidesertclassic.com @63.247.92.26 |
| 01:24.16 | stew | xerophyte: neither work from here either |
| 01:24.23 | abrotman | xerophyte: only every other query is timely |
| 01:24.34 | Xenguy | How do I download, but not install, the latest *source* of some package? |
| 01:24.34 | Seb | xerophyte: we told ya, it's not resolving for us 90% of the time |
| 01:24.41 | Seb | Xenguy: apt-get source |
| 01:24.54 | nicox_ | Hello, do anybody know a problem with the actual security update for openvpn in stable? |
| 01:25.01 | gsx22 | what are the downfalls in 2.4 then there is in 2.6? |
| 01:25.02 | Xenguy | Seb: can you give sample syntax? |
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| 01:25.14 | abrotman | xerophyte: it takes .03 seconds one time .. then 5 seconds the next |
| 01:25.22 | stew | xerophyte: yeah, wierd |
| 01:25.27 | abrotman | gsx22: SMP code improved in 2.6 |
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| 01:25.40 | gsx22 | ah |
| 01:25.41 | Seb | ok, i intend to implement some more serious backup solution, I'd like to schedule tar+gz'ing of some directories, and keep say 5 tarballs (5 previous backups), is there anything out there that's sorta of doing this ? |
| 01:25.43 | abrotman | !eat jabber.org |
| 01:25.45 | Seb | Xenguy: you're kidding right ? |
| 01:25.53 | Xenguy | Seb: (or perhaps you already did :-) |
| 01:25.59 | Seb | Xenguy: why don't you man apt-get rather ? |
| 01:26.11 | Seb | Xenguy: i mean, how much fish do you want slinged at you ? |
| 01:26.25 | Xenguy | Seb: you can relax now, friend |
| 01:26.33 | abrotman | Seb: slang ? |
| 01:26.38 | Seb | Xenguy: i am relax. You can now man apt-get, holmes |
| 01:26.40 | liable | schlong? |
| 01:26.42 | Seb | abrotman: heh, thx |
| 01:26.48 | abrotman | Seb: it was a joke |
| 01:26.51 | Xenguy | Seb: shrug |
| 01:26.56 | Seb | abrotman: damn ya :> |
| 01:27.02 | Seb | so what is the past tense of sling ? |
| 01:27.04 | nicox_ | Hello, do anybody know a problem with the actual security update for openvpn in stable? |
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| 01:27.16 | Seb | doesn't dpkg have a way to find this for me ? ;) |
| 01:27.31 | sengir37 | Seb: dict? |
| 01:27.31 | Seb | nicox_: describe what you think is the problem |
| 01:27.33 | Xenguy | la la la |
| 01:27.35 | abrotman | !tenses sling |
| 01:27.40 | abrotman | !spell slung |
| 01:27.42 | dpkg | no binary found. |
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| 01:27.44 | abrotman | oh well |
| 01:27.44 | Seb | heh |
| 01:28.50 | nicox_ | we updated openvpn(complete machine) and after the update one interface is not working, we have to stop the openvpn-service and restart network again to get a working network connection |
| 01:29.03 | gsx22 | abrotman: i'm going to try 2.6 again, it asked about blance irq one shot mode, do i want this? |
| 01:29.06 | k-man | what's the setting to control the virtual console's screen saver? |
| 01:29.11 | k-man | i thought it was xset? |
| 01:29.16 | abrotman | gsx22: no idea |
| 01:29.31 | abrotman | !screen blanking |
| 01:29.31 | dpkg | somebody said screen blanking was you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset dpms force off", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. |
| 01:29.35 | Guerin | k-man: why woulx \\d xanything refer to a console? |
| 01:29.41 | Seb | heh, I do have a shell functio nthat does that actually: dict() { curl -s http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=$1 | html2text | perl -e '$_ = join "", <> ; $sep= "-"x80 ; s/.+?(\d+ entries found.+Source.*?\n).+$/$1/s ; s/(Source:.+?)\n\n/$1\n$sep\n/gs ; print' } |
| 01:29.42 | Xenguy | k-man: hparm or some such? |
| 01:29.44 | Guerin | meh |
| 01:29.57 | gsx22 | abrotman: i'll try no this time since i used yes last time. maybe that was my prob other then it being hp ;) |
| 01:30.01 | abrotman | Seb: and slang/slung/slinged ? |
| 01:30.10 | abrotman | gsx22: perhaps ... |
| 01:30.20 | k-man | Guerin, nfi, just thats what my memory said i should try... its obviously been a long time since i did anything like that |
| 01:30.30 | k-man | hparm? |
| 01:30.39 | Seb | abrotman: slung slung it seems |
| 01:30.52 | abrotman | slinged! |
| 01:31.02 | Xenguy | wow - assholes personified |
| 01:31.12 | Xenguy | I'll come back another time thanks |
| 01:31.14 | xerophyte | abrotman, got it :) wrong ips real dns server is 63.247.92.26 and the register has 63.247.94.26 .. stupid mistakes hard to trouble shoot |
| 01:31.14 | k-man | ooh.. setterm |
| 01:31.15 | k-man | i think thats it |
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| 01:31.44 | abrotman | xerophyte: DOH! |
| 01:31.44 | gsx22 | abrotman: ya that may have been it, thats for P4s with hyper threading |
| 01:31.44 | Seb | Xenguy: you mean because "apt-get source" wasn't good enough for you, and you wanted an *example* ? |
| 01:31.51 | abrotman | gsx22: ah ok |
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| 01:33.20 | palomer | hello |
| 01:33.30 | palomer | where are the dictionary files located on my system? |
| 01:33.34 | palomer | can't find them anywhere! |
| 01:33.45 | abrotman | for aspell or ispell ? |
| 01:33.58 | Azar | Seb, apt-get looks too complex for him |
| 01:33.59 | Seb | palomer: /usr/share/dict usually |
| 01:34.12 | Guerin | hrm, i wonder if my p4 has hypethreading |
| 01:34.12 | Seb | palomer: simply dpkg -L thedictpackage, like dpkg -L wfrench |
| 01:34.15 | Xenguy | Seb: so bite my fuckin head off, sure |
| 01:34.16 | Guerin | how do I tell? |
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| 01:34.28 | Seb | Xenguy: that'll get you pretty far in here, take my word for it |
| 01:34.48 | Xenguy | Seb: you have no clue - I've been here for years |
| 01:34.50 | Guerin | it has flags: ht in cpuinfo, is that all? |
| 01:34.51 | Azar | nice "thank you" enclosing Xenguy |
| 01:35.12 | Seb | Xenguy: well you don't learn fast, now do you ? "apt-get source" was more than enough. |
| 01:35.24 | Seb | Guerin: afaik, yes |
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| 01:35.27 | stew | Guerin: comparing two of mine, one with, one without, that seems to be the only real difference |
| 01:35.37 | Xenguy | Seb: If I make a fricken mistake, then no biggie -- yes? |
| 01:35.38 | Guerin | hrm, nice |
| 01:35.45 | palomer | Seb: I tried dpkg -L ibritish, but none of the files listed are dict files |
| 01:35.51 | Xenguy | Seb: so, take a relax pill, and don't bug me, K? |
| 01:35.56 | abrotman | KILL! |
| 01:35.59 | abrotman | !alicekill Xenguy |
| 01:36.05 | Seb | hah |
| 01:36.07 | gsx22 | abrotman: it works :) |
| 01:36.09 | Guerin | i have load-sharing problems on that box, praps it would be useful to run fake smp in order to keep the load more balanced |
| 01:36.10 | abrotman | gsx22: yay |
| 01:36.15 | Xenguy | abrotman: whatever |
| 01:36.15 | stew | Xenguy: use /ignore and more on |
| 01:36.24 | stew | move on rather |
| 01:36.27 | meff | hmm |
| 01:36.27 | abrotman | Xenguy: do you get the reference? |
| 01:36.32 | Seb | palomer: try wbritish. I mean, maybe you don't have dictionaries installed :) |
| 01:36.33 | meff | anyone know how to make mencoder use 2 cpus? |
| 01:36.34 | Xenguy | stew: yeah, I think so |
| 01:36.34 | jeff_ | I am moving many files over from a windows box on my fathers computer and am trying to remove execute permissions recursively. |
| 01:36.40 | Guerin | meff: #mplayer |
| 01:36.46 | abrotman | meff: rewrite it to be threaded :) |
| 01:36.51 | Xenguy | abrotman: I'm not paying attention really - sometimes I actually get along with you |
| 01:36.52 | meff | abrotman: lol |
| 01:37.00 | jeff_ | I did: find ./ | egrep 'png|jpg|txt' | xargs chmod 644 |
| 01:37.06 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: find . -type f -print0|xargs -0 chmod -x; |
| 01:37.10 | meff | abrotman: ok for a few million :P |
| 01:37.14 | Seb | jeff_: chmod -R ugo-x /path/to/dir |
| 01:37.20 | jeff_ | That command chokes on files with spaces and some directories |
| 01:37.30 | Seb | jeff_: oops no, sorry, that'd do it for dirs too |
| 01:37.40 | Seb | jeff_: chmod -R ugo-x /path/to/dir/**/*(.) heh |
| 01:37.42 | meff | Trem is only 20 mins, i can deal |
| 01:37.43 | meff | :P |
| 01:37.45 | abrotman | Xenguy: it's a reference to Alice's Restaurant .. an Arlo Guthrie song |
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| 01:37.51 | Seb | jeff_: not dondelelcaro's one |
| 01:37.58 | jeff_ | Seb, dondelelcaro: Wow, thanks |
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| 01:38.02 | jeff_ | That is why I like debian |
| 01:38.17 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: man find; man xargs; and read about the -print0 and -0 options, respectively. |
| 01:38.53 | Xenguy | abrotman: scuse me while I pour another drink ;) |
| 01:39.36 | Seb | dondelelcaro: you use zsh ? just curious :) |
| 01:39.45 | abrotman | Xenguy: okeedokee |
| 01:39.50 | dondelelcaro | Seb: no, haven't had time to play with it yet. |
| 01:39.52 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro: I know xargs, and I know find. I dont know -0 and -print0 |
| 01:40.04 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro: I just want to do png, txt, and jpg files |
| 01:40.13 | jeff_ | find ./ -name *.jpg dies |
| 01:40.15 | Seb | dondelelcaro: this ** stuff is neat, removes the need for most of find and those -0 -print0 ;) |
| 01:40.27 | Seb | jeff_: "dies" ? |
| 01:40.36 | jeff_ | but find ./ | egrep 'png|jpg|txt' works |
| 01:40.44 | Seb | jeff_: find . -iregex |
| 01:40.51 | gozz | i have a major problem i edited the fstab for ntfs and i fu now it wont boot normal just recovery and nano cant edit it cause it is a read only file system is their any way out? |
| 01:40.59 | Seb | jeff_: but man find is truly in order here :> |
| 01:40.59 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: then do find . -type f \( -iname '*.jpg' -o -iname '*.png' -o -iname '*.txt' \) -print0|xargs -0 chmod -x; |
| 01:41.15 | dondelelcaro | (or -iregex... depending on what you want to do) |
| 01:41.17 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro: I didn't know that find did or like a bash if |
| 01:41.34 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro: Very nice |
| 01:41.41 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: hence, you don't know find. |
| 01:42.06 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro: I've never seen that on HP-UX. I am new to linux but not to Unix |
| 01:42.22 | abrotman | pseubodot! |
| 01:42.23 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: HPUX uses a shitty find. GNU find is not craptacular. |
| 01:42.30 | amphi | gozz: mount / -o remount,rw |
| 01:42.40 | abrotman | they should make the sed/awk book include find :) |
| 01:42.54 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro: But HP will support crappy hp tools. I fully agree gnu is superior. But my company is stuck with what hp will support |
| 01:43.08 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: /usr/local/bin is your friend. |
| 01:43.09 | gozz | then i can edit ? |
| 01:43.09 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro: Hence the reason for us migrating to Novell Open Enterprise Server |
| 01:43.16 | dondelelcaro | bleargh |
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| 01:43.25 | dondelelcaro | it's going from worse to bad. |
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| 01:43.27 | Seb | jeff_: i fail to see the logical connectio nthere |
| 01:43.29 | Seb | heheh |
| 01:43.42 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro: There is no such thing as "Enterprise Debian" |
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| 01:43.54 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro: As much as Ian touts it, progeny's support sucks |
| 01:44.04 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro: Dont think I didn't try that |
| 01:44.08 | Seb | jeff_: don't you think this is enterprise-level support right here ? :) |
| 01:44.08 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: yes, because we don't need a special version; The only version we provide is "enterprise ready" |
| 01:44.24 | dondelelcaro | (now, if you want support, that's a different matter; hire a DD in your area.) |
| 01:44.31 | gozz | i will try that ofcourse i have to reboot brb |
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| 01:44.45 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro: I work for an airline, if out computers don't work, flights get delayed or planes get switched up. People could get hurt |
| 01:44.58 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro: Hence the need for good support :( |
| 01:45.17 | abrotman | jeff_: hate to break it to you .. when the computers do work .. flights get delayed or planes get switched up. People could get hurt |
| 01:45.30 | syntaxx | how do i get Java runtime enviroment?? |
| 01:45.35 | abrotman | yay US airline industry! |
| 01:45.37 | Seb | syntaxx: /topic |
| 01:45.53 | syntaxx | seb, pardon? |
| 01:46.04 | Seb | syntaxx: read the topic |
| 01:46.06 | abrotman | syntaxx: type .. /topic in your irc window .. and read it |
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| 01:46.19 | Seb | dondelelcaro: appaling... |
| 01:46.24 | abrotman | appauling ? |
| 01:46.26 | abrotman | err |
| 01:46.27 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:46.28 | abrotman | anyways |
| 01:46.39 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro: With HP, we found a problem with the HP-UX kernel. They flew a kernel engineer out a week later who later released a patch. That is support |
| 01:46.42 | Seb | abrotman: hey, stop picking on my not-so-perfect english :> |
| 01:46.43 | syntaxx | dpkg, how can i get java runtime enviroment? |
| 01:46.44 | dondelelcaro | but of course, what most of those companies are really after is someone they can sue when the shit hits the fan. |
| 01:46.51 | abrotman | jeff_: so HP makes you use HPUX find .. you can't use GNU find ? |
| 01:46.55 | Xenguy | !java |
| 01:46.55 | dpkg | [java] Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 01:47.03 | jeff_ | abrotman: If we want support, that is correct |
| 01:47.16 | abrotman | jeff_: you know .. i htink solaris uses GNU find now :) |
| 01:47.19 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: right, and with Debian, you find a problem that you need fixed, you hire a developer, and they fix it for you. |
| 01:47.26 | dondelelcaro | jeff_: kernel problems are the same way. |
| 01:47.41 | abrotman | i don't see how HP has any room to talk .. they killed the better of two unixes .. and now the world gets HPUX on itanium .. |
| 01:47.43 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:47.45 | Seb | dondelelcaro: it doesn't ring as good to a manager's ears, though ;) |
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| 01:48.25 | syntaxx | is dpkg a bot? |
| 01:48.32 | arielito | alguno habla español? |
| 01:48.39 | Seb | dondelelcaro: in my company, anything "production" needs to run on either SuSE or RH because there's "phone support". I cna prototype on debian as much as I want, but there's now way I'll sneak a debian box into a production environment :( |
| 01:48.40 | dondelelcaro | Seb: yerp; they just want to be able to throw money at the problem as usual. *shrug*; it may be a valid concern for them, and prevent them from using Debian, but it doesn't really have anything to do with the project. |
| 01:48.42 | amphi | arielito: #debian-es |
| 01:48.49 | Seb | dondelelcaro: agreed |
| 01:48.59 | Seb | s/now/no/ |
| 01:49.06 | cheal | dpkg: what are you? |
| 01:49.06 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:49.14 | jeff_ | Seb: Same here |
| 01:49.28 | jeff_ | Seb: Our desktops are mostly fedora, ubuntu, or etch |
| 01:49.33 | syntaxx | dpkg, how do i install java? |
| 01:49.44 | dondelelcaro | !tell syntaxx -about java |
| 01:49.47 | abrotman | !tell syntaxx about install java |
| 01:49.49 | Seb | if they find out, they'll fire my ass off :) |
| 01:49.57 | jeff_ | Seb: You think so? |
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| 01:50.01 | abrotman | no |
| 01:50.10 | spoonman- | hi guys im currently download sarge disc 1 iso ... is disc 1 would be enough to run it as a server then eventually get the appropriate package online .. or should i get disc 1 to 3 somethin .. |
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| 01:50.13 | abrotman | they'd just make him "upgrade" to RH6.1 :) |
| 01:50.16 | Seb | but hey, it's in the datacenter now, i cannot physically go and change the OS anymore |
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| 01:50.26 | Seb | abrotman: nah i'm serious |
| 01:50.27 | dondelelcaro | spoonman-: if you've got a network connection, you don't even need all of disk 1. |
| 01:50.45 | Seb | abrotman: although that was funny :)) |
| 01:50.48 | abrotman | Seb: i doubt it |
| 01:50.51 | spoonman- | ic ... thanks man .. |
| 01:51.02 | Seb | abrotman: you can take my word for it... |
| 01:51.08 | dondelelcaro | spoonman-: just get the netinst iso, and download the packages you actually want to install from the net. |
| 01:51.22 | abrotman | Seb: you've been there how long . and they'd fire you over one machine ? |
| 01:51.26 | jeff_ | Seb: It's the exact same way here. Linux for web and dns. Unix for everything else |
| 01:51.36 | syntaxx | this bot doesnt work very well |
| 01:51.40 | Seb | abrotman: 3 years. I'ts happened last year to some guy who'd been working there for 7 years. Rules are rules. |
| 01:51.51 | Seb | syntaxx: nah, it's just you don't know how to talk to him. |
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| 01:52.13 | jeff_ | dondelelcaro: Your command worked perfectly btw. |
| 01:52.15 | syntaxx | seb, haha |
| 01:52.25 | syntaxx | dpkg, <install java> |
| 01:52.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, <install java> is at http://martinfowler.com/bliki/DebianJava.html |
| 01:52.26 | DetectiveInspekt | how do I find out what port 47786 is that some ip is trying to access? |
| 01:52.40 | Seb | DetectiveInspekt: netstat -pant | G 47786 |
| 01:52.41 | abrotman | /etc/services might know |
| 01:52.44 | syntaxx | seb, see, i talk the talk |
| 01:52.54 | cheal | Seb: hopefully you can upgrade the box soon |
| 01:52.55 | gozz | thanks! to whoever gave me the command mount / -o remount,rw worked perfect! |
| 01:52.56 | Seb | syntaxx: you'e getting better, yeah |
| 01:52.58 | jeff_ | DetectiveInspekt: grep 47786 /etc/services |
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| 01:53.09 | Seb | cheal: i have no intention to, it has 3 years uptime, I pray it stays like that |
| 01:53.23 | Seb | cheal: good thing is, i'm the only admi nfor it, so chances of someone noticing are slim |
| 01:53.41 | DetectiveInspekt | jeff_, nothing came up |
| 01:53.49 | Seb | DetectiveInspekt: try mine |
| 01:53.54 | cheal | dpkg: forget <install java> |
| 01:53.54 | dpkg | i forgot <install java>, cheal |
| 01:53.58 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:54.01 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:54.04 | Seb | jeff_: dude this doesn't look like an officially registered port number if you see what I mean ;) |
| 01:54.09 | DetectiveInspekt | that didn't comeup with anything too |
| 01:54.09 | daishi | how do i do a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch in debian? i know theres apt-get dist-upgrade but what do i change in sources.list? |
| 01:54.16 | Seb | DetectiveInspekt: then google for it |
| 01:54.24 | DetectiveInspekt | this is what my lag has |
| 01:54.25 | DetectiveInspekt | SRC=202.89.36.226 DST=192.168.0.96 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=54 ID=46637 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=47765 |
| 01:54.28 | Seb | DetectiveInspekt: mine not returning anything means nothing is listening on this port on your box |
| 01:54.28 | jeff_ | Seb: I knew it wasn't when I saw it... probably a trojan or just random internet traffic |
| 01:54.34 | abrotman | !tell daishi about sarge->etch |
| 01:54.59 | cheal | Seb: ok, so you can pray the upgrade to sarge goes well |
| 01:55.01 | DetectiveInspekt | oh k I just have port 22 opened in my firewall script |
| 01:55.07 | daishi | rhanks abrotman |
| 01:55.17 | abrotman | i smell? |
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| 01:55.29 | Seb | cheal: *no* *upgrade* *whatsoever* :> |
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| 01:56.10 | cheal | Seb: unless you don't need stable's security support |
| 01:56.16 | daishi | erm thanks |
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| 01:56.19 | Seb | cheal: i don't, it's all internal |
| 01:56.19 | daishi | heh |
| 01:56.34 | cheal | ok |
| 01:56.36 | Seb | cheal: i've been told explicitely that security shouldn't be a concern of mine :D |
| 01:56.39 | daishi | oo and i see non-us testing doesnt exist |
| 01:56.45 | DavidW2 | hi. What's the module for ssl support in apache (.deb) called? |
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| 01:57.01 | jeff_ | mod_ssl |
| 01:57.01 | Seb | cheal: read "spend your time on something more useful to us than taking care of potential hackers gaining intranet access" heh |
| 01:57.08 | abrotman | apache1 or apache1 ? |
| 01:57.10 | abrotman | err apache2? |
| 01:57.19 | DavidW2 | apache2 |
| 01:57.22 | DavidW2 | I dont see any modules |
| 01:57.25 | Seb | DavidW2: you can run apache-ssl if you don't need non-ssl serving |
| 01:57.32 | syntaxx | haha i love dpkg |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | DavidW2: i think .. it's compiled into the apache2 package now |
| 01:57.47 | DavidW2 | I should look |
| 01:57.59 | dondelelcaro | yes, you just need an SSLEngine On or some such. |
| 01:57.59 | abrotman | DavidW2: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/apache2-common |
| 01:58.03 | abrotman | see the last paragraph |
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| 01:58.14 | DavidW2 | Ok there is |
| 01:58.16 | DavidW2 | /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_ssl.so |
| 01:58.25 | abrotman | weeeee |
| 01:58.27 | DavidW2 | But I didn't see that ti was set up (certificate autogeneration and stuff) |
| 01:58.42 | cheal | Seb: what OS did the fired guy install? |
| 01:59.24 | abrotman | cheal: duh .. HURD |
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| 02:00.20 | DavidW2 | OK, and php support? How do I make index.php be recognized when I point to a directory? |
| 02:00.38 | gsx22 | Using webmin, trying to log on with this pc to sever and it says this comps ip is denied, What do I need to do here |
| 02:00.42 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 02:00.44 | DavidW2 | DirectoryIndex has index.php |
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| 02:00.53 | DavidW2 | yet, I go there and it tries to save the file |
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| 02:00.56 | cheal | abrotman: ah. so the guy was sitting beside the box and it literally took fire? |
| 02:01.04 | abrotman | cheal: hehe |
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| 02:01.08 | krumn | how can i run framebuffer program in gnuscreen???? |
| 02:01.16 | cheal | gsx22: login from the server |
| 02:01.17 | try_catch_this | anyone know of any linux distro that is known for GREAT hardware support, I am having trouble finding a distro that just installs and runs without trouble |
| 02:01.18 | humbolt | is there a way to limit the badwidth apt and aptitude are allowed to consume? |
| 02:01.20 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 02:01.20 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
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| 02:01.29 | abrotman | try_catch_this: debian! |
| 02:01.30 | roby | What package do I need for apache to run my perl scripts? |
| 02:01.37 | try_catch_this | abrotman: haha |
| 02:01.40 | try_catch_this | next |
| 02:01.41 | gsx22 | hahah |
| 02:01.43 | abrotman | i wasn't joking |
| 02:01.46 | cheal | try_catch_this: debian |
| 02:01.48 | DavidW2 | yes, I have libapache2-mod-php4, but if I point to a directory, it won't load index.php |
| 02:01.49 | abrotman | try_catch_this: you're in #debian ... |
| 02:01.59 | abrotman | DavidW2: you've restarted apache since installing ? |
| 02:02.04 | DavidW2 | yes |
| 02:02.06 | try_catch_this | yeah cause this is tho only linux channel i know about |
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| 02:02.12 | roby | DavidW2: firefox downloading index.php ? |
| 02:02.14 | abrotman | DavidW2: and you did the AddType thing ?> |
| 02:02.20 | DavidW2 | Yes firefox |
| 02:02.21 | dondelelcaro | roby: you just need apache. That's it. |
| 02:02.22 | DavidW2 | Ah no.. |
| 02:02.22 | abrotman | try_catch_this: did you ask .. ##linux ? |
| 02:02.29 | roby | DavidW2: tell firefox to clear cache, and it will be fixed |
| 02:02.30 | Seb | cheal: freebsd |
| 02:02.31 | dondelelcaro | roby: add a ScriptAlias if you need it, and away you go. |
| 02:02.37 | try_catch_this | ok off to #linux |
| 02:02.41 | Seb | cheal: or maybe it was netbsd, ain't sure no more |
| 02:02.41 | abrotman | DavidW2: it should have happened for you .. but oh well .. check php.net for the line you need |
| 02:02.53 | DavidW2 | So maybe I add application/x-httpd-php somewhere |
| 02:03.03 | abrotman | DavidW2: yeah .. that sort of line .. |
| 02:03.05 | roby | DavidW2: tell firefox to clear cache, that's all |
| 02:03.08 | abrotman | that's my guess anyways |
| 02:03.17 | cheal | Seb: ah. that does look somewhat more obscure. anyway I don't know the reasoning behind the rules |
| 02:03.40 | DavidW2 | Ahh you are right |
| 02:03.45 | Seb | cheal: oh rest assured there is none. None that makes sense at least. All they want is "phone support". Morons. |
| 02:03.47 | DavidW2 | clearing the firefox cache did the trick |
| 02:03.51 | abrotman | damn firefox |
| 02:03.51 | DavidW2 | thanks :) |
| 02:03.55 | roby | yeah i had the exact problem earlier today |
| 02:04.07 | roby | It's because you tried to load the page before installing apache-mod-php4 |
| 02:04.13 | roby | so it remembered that in cache |
| 02:04.20 | abrotman | Seb: wouldn't windriver have provided support ? |
| 02:04.27 | abrotman | well .. depending on when he installed it |
| 02:05.07 | Seb | abrotman: well, I mean, they go further than that: if it's gotta be *NIX, then it' either any of the commercial uNIX vendors (we can choose whichever we like), of SuSE, or RH. Nothing else. |
| 02:05.31 | Seb | abrotman: they make clear rules for us, so we cannot try to justify ourselves later on... |
| 02:05.47 | gsx22 | how do i add an app to boot at start up, like gentoo's command rc-update add apphere defaults? |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | Seb: makes sense .. as long as i can choose solaris .. :) |
| 02:06.09 | abrotman | gsx22: /etc/init.d/README and update-rc.d |
| 02:06.10 | Seb | abrotman: usually I go with that because I know it more than SuSE or RH. |
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| 02:06.20 | abrotman | Seb: i used to work with it .. i miss it :) |
| 02:06.22 | gsx22 | thanks :) |
| 02:06.38 | Seb | abrotman: now they GNU tools, I'm almost home with it, yeah. |
| 02:06.45 | Seb | abrotman: and I thoroughly enjoy dtrace too :D |
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| 02:07.01 | Seb | s/they/they/have/ |
| 02:07.06 | abrotman | Seb: yeah .. i know . i haven't used it a lot since Sol8 .. which was what .. 5+ years ago ? |
| 02:07.19 | Seb | something like it yeah |
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| 02:07.35 | abrotman | and Sol8 had the GNu stuff .. but it was in a retarded place like /opt/GNU/crapwedontwantyoutouse/bin :) |
| 02:07.44 | roby | Hey thanks dondelelcaro perl works in apache now |
| 02:07.54 | Seb | heh, /opt/sfw is where the corporate rul say we should put it ;) |
| 02:08.11 | Seb | damn I cna't type, this vicodin shit does impair my ability to type indeed |
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| 02:08.16 | abrotman | this was the default .. whareever Sun put it |
| 02:08.38 | freedom101 | the acquisition of Innobase by orable is a good or a bad news for the open source? |
| 02:08.54 | DavidW2 | ok I have one other question, not exactly related to debian, but how do I specify a mysql user that can have complete access to a given database? |
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| 02:09.04 | Seb | DavidW2: how about #mysql ? |
| 02:09.09 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:09.13 | Seb | DavidW2: seriously they *are* helpful over there... |
| 02:09.17 | abrotman | mysql makes baby jesus cry |
| 02:09.20 | DavidW2 | Well, fair enough :) |
| 02:09.25 | Seb | !postgresql |
| 02:09.25 | dpkg | A robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. No replication; supports views, stored procedures, triggers and several embedded languages (including PL and Perl). Has some interesting OO extensions. Packaged in Debian as 'postgresql'. Also see http://postgresql.org. |
| 02:09.27 | Seb | there |
| 02:09.45 | Seb | i think the "no replication" bit is outdated now |
| 02:09.50 | abrotman | kind of |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | afaik .. not true replication .. but i dont' remember |
| 02:10.16 | abrotman | fark .. 8.1 is in beta already |
| 02:10.24 | Seb | good gawd, why did I have to get those 4 wisdom teeth pulled *at once* ? :( |
| 02:11.08 | abrotman | becuase it's against the law to have vicadin 4times in a year? :) |
| 02:11.13 | Seb | hah |
| 02:11.18 | Seb | maybe that's it |
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| 02:12.36 | abrotman | bah .. i hate looking for pgsql release notes |
| 02:13.06 | Seb | no smoking, no drinking carbonated beverages (beeeeer), no sports, no sneezing, no coughing... I'm going nuts here :) |
| 02:13.22 | Seb | abrotman: those are nasty indeed |
| 02:13.29 | Seb | nasty as in nastily large |
| 02:13.47 | abrotman | Seb: that's easily solved .. let your beer sit out for a while :) |
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| 02:14.00 | Seb | abrotman: heh, I've been proposed that a few times already ;) |
| 02:14.08 | abrotman | was replication in 7.x ? |
| 02:14.10 | Seb | abrotman: not satisfying in any way, though :> |
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| 02:14.14 | Seb | abrotman: i don't think so |
| 02:14.44 | abrotman | it's not in 8.0 apparently |
| 02:14.49 | abrotman | but point in time is |
| 02:14.49 | syntaxx | can someone help me out with Java, i know that dpkg is great and all but id like a little more interaction |
| 02:14.51 | abrotman | i can't remember |
| 02:14.58 | abrotman | don't use java ? |
| 02:15.28 | syntaxx | i need the java runtime enviroment |
| 02:15.31 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:15.37 | abrotman | syntaxx: go to java.com .. get the .bin |
| 02:15.43 | abrotman | run make-jpkg on it |
| 02:15.46 | abrotman | install it |
| 02:15.50 | syntaxx | ok |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | logout/login .. does java work ? |
| 02:15.52 | Daveman | haha |
| 02:16.15 | syntaxx | it says bash: make-jpkg: command not found |
| 02:16.16 | Daveman | pfft, leave it to abrotman to take the fun out of it ;) |
| 02:16.26 | abrotman | syntaxx: did you .. install java-package ? |
| 02:16.32 | abrotman | Daveman: java is fun? |
| 02:16.39 | syntaxx | abrotman, what? |
| 02:16.41 | Daveman | abrotman, hell no? |
| 02:16.54 | Daveman | abrotman, clearly I was being ridiculously sarcastic? :P |
| 02:16.54 | abrotman | syntaxx: you know .. apt-get install java-package ? |
| 02:16.56 | Seb | dpkg, tell syntaxx about java-package |
| 02:17.01 | syntaxx | ohhh |
| 02:17.24 | syntaxx | debian:/home/syntaxx/Source# apt-get install java-package |
| 02:17.25 | syntaxx | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 02:17.25 | syntaxx | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 02:17.25 | syntaxx | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
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| 02:17.26 | abrotman | damn . i hate woody for being a musical genius |
| 02:17.31 | Seb | syntaxx: honestly dpkg has perfect directions on how to install java, if you ask for them in the order it tells you |
| 02:17.34 | abrotman | contrib ? |
| 02:18.15 | abrotman | syntaxx .. if you ever return .. you need contrib sources |
| 02:19.15 | Elly | wow, debian is weak for building a minimal system |
| 02:19.17 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:19.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:19.22 | Elly | it comes at 200MB with the default install |
| 02:19.22 | abrotman | Elly: 200MB is too much? |
| 02:19.37 | abrotman | !deborphan |
| 02:19.37 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge' |
| 02:19.53 | Elly | yes, abrotman |
| 02:19.57 | Elly | I was hoping for more like 50MB |
| 02:20.00 | Elly | (no X, of course) |
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| 02:20.31 | abrotman | syntaxx .. if you ever return .. you need contrib sources |
| 02:20.37 | syntaxx | im back |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | Elly: so start removing stuff :) |
| 02:20.51 | syntaxx | and how do i get them |
| 02:20.51 | Daveman | Elly, you sissy ;D |
| 02:21.00 | abrotman | syntaxx: holy crap .. are oyu some kind of ninja .. i didn't even see you come in! |
| 02:21.29 | syntaxx | abrotman, im of the script foo order of ninja! |
| 02:21.37 | abrotman | syntaxx: add contrib to your sources |
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| 02:21.44 | abrotman | !tell syntaxx about contrib |
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| 02:22.02 | Elly | abrotman, that's the problem, I don't know what to remove |
| 02:22.07 | Elly | I don't know what I don't need |
| 02:22.11 | Elly | I do know what I do need |
| 02:22.11 | abrotman | take you ridin in my car car ... |
| 02:22.13 | syntaxx | i dont understand |
| 02:22.19 | abrotman | Elly: deborphan can help |
| 02:22.24 | abrotman | !tell syntaxx about contrib |
| 02:22.26 | abrotman | take you ridin in my car car ... |
| 02:22.30 | liable | hrm my chown is broken.. |
| 02:22.36 | abrotman | you are! |
| 02:22.39 | Daveman | heh |
| 02:22.40 | abrotman | take you ridin in my car car ... |
| 02:22.57 | Daveman | abrotman, hehe, enjoying yourself? ;) |
| 02:23.08 | abrotman | doesn't everyone love that song ? |
| 02:23.16 | aris | anyone uses openldap with postfix here? |
| 02:23.17 | Daveman | prettymuch |
| 02:23.23 | abrotman | all the versions :) |
| 02:23.27 | Daveman | ;) |
| 02:23.32 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 02:23.32 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:23.36 | abrotman | aris: #postfix .. #ldap .. and i knwo www.postfix.org has docs for it |
| 02:24.07 | Elly | !tell elly about deborphan |
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| 02:24.10 | Elly | ;D |
| 02:24.25 | abrotman | Elly: /msg dpkg deborphan |
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| 02:25.00 | Daveman | :) |
| 02:25.20 | mrfg | hi ppl, how can i change my network physical address on debian..? is it possible? (it's possible on win xp) |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | !tell mrfg about interfaces |
| 02:25.42 | astronut | mrfg: ifconfig ethX hw <new addr> |
| 02:25.58 | abrotman | i think he means permanently |
| 02:26.05 | abrotman | !kick jabber.org |
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| 02:26.12 | Daveman | hehe |
| 02:26.19 | Daveman | good call |
| 02:26.52 | abrotman | damn thing won't authorize new clients |
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| 02:27.14 | mrfg | okay,tnx |
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| 02:27.24 | coywolf | how to save a group of mails? |
| 02:27.29 | coywolf | how to save a group of mails? (in mutt) |
| 02:27.39 | Guerin | coywolf: #mutt |
| 02:27.39 | dondelelcaro | coywolf: tag them and the apply-save. |
| 02:27.43 | dondelelcaro | coywolf: ala t-a-s |
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| 02:27.58 | coywolf | dondelelcaro, yes, i tagged |
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| 02:30.16 | coywolf | dondelelcaro, i use T to tag them, what's next to do? |
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| 02:32.08 | Seb | coywolf: apply is ; for me |
| 02:32.11 | Seb | semicolon |
| 02:32.19 | abrotman | is that what that is!? |
| 02:32.19 | Seb | so ;s is "apply save" |
| 02:32.28 | Seb | abrotman: ? |
| 02:32.29 | dondelelcaro | coywolf: hit whatever key is apply, then hit whatever key is save. |
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| 02:33.17 | Seb | actually a makes sense, i dunno why I have ; for apply. Might be the default. |
| 02:33.19 | coywolf | thanks Seb |
| 02:33.50 | abrotman | i thought everyone had switched to elmo :) |
| 02:33.54 | dondelelcaro | Seb: I actually have no idea what the defaults are for mutt anymore... |
| 02:33.59 | Seb | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 02:34.54 | Azar | I remember two years ago I was trying mutt and it had a very user friendly menu.. save was included |
| 02:35.16 | Azar | woody :) yes yes |
| 02:35.16 | dondelelcaro | Azar: no menu, but it's got help. press ? |
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| 02:35.51 | sengir37 | dondelelcaro: No menu? Mine does. |
| 02:35.57 | Azar | dondelecaro I was one month newbie at Debian , linux and any other such application, I was impressed, I can't remember much of it tho |
| 02:37.02 | Azar | ..since I have never been able to install postfix, I mean never been able to make it run, I quit wanting a mail server |
| 02:37.16 | Seb | dondelelcaro: they mean the menu bar on top I guess |
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| 02:37.27 | Azar | yes the menu bar on top |
| 02:37.27 | dondelelcaro | could be... mine's turned off. |
| 02:37.33 | Seb | heh |
| 02:37.45 | Seb | anyone using mutt-ng ? |
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| 02:37.55 | Seb | i need someone to explain to me why i would want to try it :) |
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| 02:38.12 | Azar | Seb out of curiosity? |
| 02:38.18 | dondelelcaro | Seb: I tried it for a bit and something made me stop; I forget what though... |
| 02:38.31 | Seb | dondelelcaro: hah |
| 02:38.47 | Seb | Azar: i need more than that for something as serious as my mua |
| 02:39.24 | abrotman | elmo! |
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| 02:39.48 | brick | i have run the installer many times off boot disks and CDs. now i want to run it on a running machine, to install to another device. i don't even know its name! any clues? |
| 02:40.00 | dondelelcaro | brick: debootstrap or cdeboostrap |
| 02:40.08 | dondelelcaro | s/ost/otst/ |
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| 02:40.22 | amphi | Seb: I don't see anything overly compelling on its page |
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| 02:40.44 | peej | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.53 | Seb | amphi: k :) |
| 02:40.53 | brick | thanks dondelelcaro! |
| 02:40.54 | peej | now what? |
| 02:41.00 | abrotman | sid? |
| 02:41.00 | Seb | peej: using sid ? |
| 02:41.20 | peej | have most of my system on stable |
| 02:41.26 | Seb | "most" ? |
| 02:41.34 | Azar | that is an understatement |
| 02:41.56 | Azar | most means "was stable but I forced it somehow towards unstable" maybe? |
| 02:42.00 | abrotman | no ... |
| 02:42.08 | peej | I thought since cycle seems simple, I could just add testing/unstable/experimental to the list and then apt-get install cycle |
| 02:42.09 | abrotman | it's either stable .. or it's a pile of melted plastic |
| 02:42.23 | peej | but it barfs |
| 02:42.23 | Seb | perfect image |
| 02:42.30 | Seb | abrotman's I mean |
| 02:42.30 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 02:42.31 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
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| 02:42.46 | Seb | heheh |
| 02:42.55 | Seb | peej: so, what you did is void your debian warranty |
| 02:43.01 | Seb | there's a factoid about that isn't there ? |
| 02:43.14 | amphi | Seb: the keeping of the pieces? |
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| 02:43.24 | Seb | the thing about voiding the warranty |
| 02:43.25 | peej | the warranty that says there is no warranty? Oh noooooooooooooo! |
| 02:43.33 | abrotman | !warranty |
| 02:43.33 | dpkg | If you don't know for sure, it likely expires on or before 11:59PM, December 31, 1999, or if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces |
| 02:43.40 | Azar | peej now you only have two choices: go with unstable all the way and deal with dependencies nightmares, crashes , etc, or reinstall stable and stay stable |
| 02:43.48 | mrfg | hey ppl |
| 02:43.49 | mrfg | ifconfig ethX hw <new addr> |
| 02:43.56 | mrfg | it doesnt work.. |
| 02:44.00 | mrfg | or.. i dont get it.. |
| 02:44.01 | peej | wow. sounds like windows |
| 02:44.08 | abrotman | mrfg: doesn't work when ? |
| 02:44.11 | abrotman | after you reboot ? |
| 02:44.17 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: melted gi-joe is <reply> Ever tried to see if your GI Joe's would survive napalm? That's what happens when you mix sarge sources with testing/unstable or (gasp!) experimental. |
| 02:44.17 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 02:44.17 | Seb | peej: it ain't that bad, but we need to scare ya a bit so oyu understand |
| 02:44.19 | mrfg | i typed and cheked |
| 02:44.28 | Seb | heh |
| 02:44.35 | mrfg | it's has still it's orig phys add.. |
| 02:44.36 | sengir37 | mrfg: Did you replace ethX with eth0 or eth1 or whatever, etc? |
| 02:44.37 | mrfg | no changes |
| 02:44.42 | Seb | peej: did you add testing or unstable to your sources ? |
| 02:44.43 | mrfg | yeah i did |
| 02:44.51 | mrfg | sengir37 |
| 02:45.00 | sengir37 | mrfg: What exact command did you issue? |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | mrfg: /msg dpkg interfaces .. then change the IP in that file .. then restart /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:45.10 | peej | nah, I was wondering if "Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed" |
| 02:45.16 | Seb | mrfg: mac addr, not ip ;) |
| 02:45.20 | Seb | hrm abrotman I mean |
| 02:45.26 | abrotman | what?! |
| 02:45.30 | mrfg | not ip |
| 02:45.37 | peej | Seb: yes, added to sources, pinned at lower priority |
| 02:45.42 | abrotman | oh .. ignore me |
| 02:45.53 | Seb | peej: *which* one of the 2 ? |
| 02:45.55 | mrfg | i wanna change my network card physical address |
| 02:45.59 | mrfg | not ip.. etc.. |
| 02:46.03 | Azar | Seb, he said: both |
| 02:46.07 | Seb | mrfg: so the ifconfig eth0 hw ... command succeeded ? |
| 02:46.09 | peej | Seb: both |
| 02:46.11 | Seb | Azar: oh my bad |
| 02:46.13 | mrfg | no |
| 02:46.13 | Seb | missed it |
| 02:46.23 | mrfg | Seb: no |
| 02:46.23 | Seb | mrfg: i mean, did it return an error ? |
| 02:46.29 | mrfg | nothing.. |
| 02:46.31 | mrfg | no error |
| 02:46.33 | mrfg | nothing.. |
| 02:46.37 | sengir37 | mrfg: What exact command did you issue? |
| 02:46.41 | Seb | mrfg: ifconfig eth0 hw ... ; echo $? |
| 02:46.43 | mrfg | after i typed that command |
| 02:46.49 | mrfg | and then checked.. |
| 02:47.00 | mrfg | it has still old phys add.. |
| 02:47.01 | peej | so, if anyone is running unstable, can they test apt-get cycle |
| 02:47.03 | sengir37 | literally "..."? |
| 02:47.03 | mrfg | no changes.. |
| 02:47.06 | Azar | peej, now for how long have you installed or updated with that mix of versions in your sources? |
| 02:47.10 | mrfg | no errors..ifconfig ethX hw <new addr> |
| 02:47.19 | Seb | mrfg: test with echo $? as I said |
| 02:47.48 | Seb | i know some wifi nics don't |
| 02:47.54 | Seb | not sure about ethernet ones |
| 02:48.03 | sengir37 | Well, I know that used to be an issue |
| 02:48.07 | sengir37 | Not sure if it is anymore. |
| 02:48.18 | sengir37 | My rtl8139s have been able to do it in linux forever. |
| 02:48.19 | mrfg | so.. |
| 02:48.20 | Seb | it is still for some wifi nics |
| 02:48.30 | mrfg | there is only one ... |
| 02:48.37 | mrfg | that doesnt work... huh? |
| 02:48.38 | mrfg | :) |
| 02:48.42 | sengir37 | Seb: Yeah, but I dunno if it's a solved problem for wired NICs |
| 02:48.49 | Seb | mrfg: you gonna tyr the echo $? or not ? |
| 02:48.50 | sengir37 | mrfg: What driver are you using? |
| 02:48.55 | Seb | sengir37: i wonder |
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| 02:49.17 | mrfg | asus.. something.. integeralt lan card.. |
| 02:49.27 | xfoxx | how do i mount ntfs windows partitions had tried with umask = 0222 but nothing happens |
| 02:49.30 | xfoxx | ? |
| 02:49.35 | mrfg | it works on win xp... |
| 02:49.38 | Seb | xfoxx: man mount, fmask,dmask |
| 02:49.48 | mrfg | i can change my phys add.. and it works.. |
| 02:49.53 | xfoxx | seb, how stupid i am =D |
| 02:49.59 | Azar | asus is the motherboard, your ethernet should be something like D-Link or VIA-Rhine |
| 02:50.00 | Seb | mrfg: well maybe the linux driver doesn't support it |
| 02:50.08 | sengir37 | mrfg: dmesg | grep eth0. What driver? |
| 02:50.18 | peej | probably a couple of months. I think pretty much all my stuff is stable packages. How can I tell? |
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| 02:50.22 | Seb | mrfg: lspci, find the NIC model, and google for linux mac address change for it |
| 02:50.26 | mrfg | i have a kernal 2.6 ... it is not enough..? |
| 02:50.45 | xfoxx | okey another question i created a folder in root, that i dont want and i try to delete it and it says error cause it is an directory how do i delelete it_ |
| 02:50.46 | xfoxx | ? |
| 02:50.51 | sengir37 | mrfg: Yes, but what network driver? |
| 02:51.00 | peej | oh, except my kernel, which is 2.6.9 from vanilla source |
| 02:51.02 | Seb | mrfg: dude you're gonna need to do a minimum of *research*, if you don't want to precisely answer our questions |
| 02:51.02 | sengir37 | mrfg: dmesg | grep eth0, please |
| 02:51.03 | mrfg | nvidia .. |
| 02:51.08 | Seb | sheesh |
| 02:51.17 | Seb | nvidia nics, now ain't that fancy |
| 02:51.26 | sengir37 | Guh |
| 02:51.26 | Seb | xfoxx: rmdir |
| 02:51.44 | xfoxx | and how do i create a folder then?? |
| 02:51.52 | xfoxx | caus ei amke em with mkdir |
| 02:51.54 | mrfg | mkdir |
| 02:52.08 | Seb | xfoxx: yeah, mkdir to make them, rmdir to remove them |
| 02:52.17 | Azar | peej if you have installed stuff and updated with a mix version in sources, you might expect problems now and in the future. You could try a fresh install and keep "sarge" or "stable" in sources up the moment you decide to go up and use "etch" or "testing", "sid" or "unstable at a time, do not use them together. |
| 02:52.17 | xfoxx | ohh great thankies |
| 02:52.24 | Seb | mrfg: so, newsflash, your NIC is not nvidia, try again |
| 02:52.42 | zinx | Seb: nVidia does make a NIC |
| 02:52.47 | Seb | zinx: do they ? |
| 02:52.55 | sengir37 | What is the world coming to? |
| 02:52.55 | Seb | shit, i shoulda kept my mouth shut |
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| 02:53.02 | zinx | Seb: they put one on one of their nforce boards |
| 02:53.13 | Seb | zinx: well he's got an asus board iirc |
| 02:53.13 | sengir37 | mrfg: Still, it'd be nice to know the driver. |
| 02:53.21 | sengir37 | mrfg: dmesg | grep eth0 |
| 02:53.29 | zinx | Seb: well, probably doesn't have an nVidia NIC then ;) |
| 02:53.35 | Seb | sengir37: really nice. Especially since we asked like 4 times now ;) |
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| 02:53.41 | xfoxx | how do i know what driver is controling my sound card?? |
| 02:53.43 | Seb | zinx: heh |
| 02:53.46 | mrfg | i hoped that if it's possible on win xp. then it must be on debian.. |
| 02:53.47 | mrfg | :D |
| 02:53.53 | Seb | xfoxx: lspci, look for a sound card in there |
| 02:53.58 | Azar | lspci could find his ethernet driver as well |
| 02:54.16 | mrfg | Azar i know that :D |
| 02:54.18 | Seb | Azar: he needs bulletproof methods, he doesn't listen very well |
| 02:54.18 | sengir37 | mrfg: That's nice, are you going to answer questions so we can help you find out if it's possible? |
| 02:54.25 | gsx22 | anyone here using lighttpd ? |
| 02:54.35 | mrfg | i have only 1 lan card which is eth0 |
| 02:54.37 | amphi | xfoxx: lsmod | grep '^snd' should give you an idea (if you use alsa) |
| 02:54.38 | Azar | mrfg, we will not work with xp here, go by the Debian way |
| 02:54.43 | encompass | not me |
| 02:54.44 | sengir37 | Seb: thx! |
| 02:54.49 | peej | Azar: ugh. that sounds awfully like an MS windows solution (the reinstall bit anyway). Now, if a package is not in stable (cycle is not) then what is The Debian Way to install it? I would have thought pinning was a good way to do it. |
| 02:54.51 | Seb | sengir37: you're welcome |
| 02:54.51 | encompass | I don't use lighttp |
| 02:55.07 | zinx | peej: backports.org |
| 02:55.09 | amphi | peej: backports is one way |
| 02:55.11 | mrfg | yeah Azar |
| 02:55.12 | Azar | peej, you cannot compare the mess ms did, with the mess YOU did with Debian. |
| 02:55.14 | Seb | peej: dude upgrade everything to sid now, that's the only thing to do if you don't want to reinstall |
| 02:55.22 | gsx22 | i compiled it and it gave me no start script, no .conf file or anything |
| 02:55.26 | Seb | peej: you have to understand you did something you were not supposed to do *at all* |
| 02:55.26 | mrfg | so... |
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| 02:55.28 | mrfg | 04:51 < zinx> Seb: nVidia does make a NIC |
| 02:55.42 | mrfg | is there any other idea? |
| 02:55.43 | mrfg | :) |
| 02:55.49 | Seb | unbelievable |
| 02:55.49 | abrotman | nvidia makes lots of garbage :) |
| 02:55.50 | mrfg | or solution |
| 02:55.50 | zinx | it's an onboard nic only on nForce motherboards |
| 02:55.56 | sengir37 | mrfg: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST TELL ME WHAT DRIVER YOU ARE USING |
| 02:55.58 | Seb | mrfg: you are truly one of a kind |
| 02:56.09 | Azar | peej running Debian requires a little knowledge and responsibility, no manual will teach you to use mixed versions in sources, you did it because you wanted to.l |
| 02:56.11 | Seb | mrfg: why the fuck don't you do whayt sengir37 keeps telling you to do ? |
| 02:56.18 | zinx | mrfg: lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 02:56.26 | amphi | sengir37: "for the love of god, Montresor" :) |
| 02:56.33 | zinx | or lspci | grep -i ethernet if you're case-impaired |
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| 02:56.38 | servus | I have an nvidia ethernet controller. |
| 02:56.38 | Seb | amphi: montresor ? |
| 02:56.44 | servus | I even use it, too. |
| 02:56.47 | xfoxx | how can i install my multimedia web keyboard??, and wheelmouse? |
| 02:56.48 | Azar | yeah nVidia does makes lots of stuff |
| 02:56.53 | Seb | zinx: he is *-impaired afaics |
| 02:56.54 | amphi | Seb: the cask of amontillado |
| 02:56.55 | mrfg | i told ya |
| 02:56.58 | servus | It's forcedeth. |
| 02:57.00 | mrfg | nvidia nforce .. |
| 02:57.01 | xfoxx | cause it is installed but most of function arent available |
| 02:57.07 | zinx | mrfg: Just paste the friggen line |
| 02:57.20 | sengir37 | mrfg: No, the actual driver name. |
| 02:57.27 | Seb | amphi: you lost me there :) |
| 02:57.28 | sengir37 | mrfg: Probably forcedeth? |
| 02:57.29 | servus | Everyone needs to chill out and have some Dutch apple pie. mm. |
| 02:57.30 | zinx | mrfg: and there are no less than two drivers force the nforce nic |
| 02:57.49 | encompass | yumm, apple pie from them dutch are great |
| 02:57.59 | Seb | what is specific to dutch apple pie ? |
| 02:58.04 | servus | (It's actually from Albertsons, not Holland) |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | Seb: did you go to debconf ? |
| 02:58.06 | Azar | mrfg like mine here: Ethernet Controller: D-Link System Inc RTL8139 (rev10) |
| 02:58.08 | servus | crumb topping, seb! |
| 02:58.10 | Seb | abrotman: nope |
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| 02:58.14 | Seb | sengir37: ah k |
| 02:58.20 | Seb | servus: ah k |
| 02:58.21 | encompass | it is made by the dutch! DUH |
| 02:58.32 | servus | And the crust tends to be thicker but more flavourful. |
| 02:58.33 | amphi | Seb: a story by Edgar Allan Poe, in which Montresor immures his enemy, whose last despairing cry is "For the love of god, Montresor!" |
| 02:58.38 | mrfg | on win xp - ifconfig /all |
| 02:58.40 | encompass | The Dutch have big fat buckets of affectionate love! |
| 02:58.43 | mrfg | it gives me\ |
| 02:58.44 | mrfg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.44 | mrfg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.44 | mrfg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:58.49 | Seb | amphi: ooooh, I read that |
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| 02:58.52 | Seb | hah he's in windows |
| 02:58.55 | servus | encompass: Is een snoezig pastei ja? |
| 02:58.59 | mrfg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.00 | mrfg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.01 | Seb | of course he couldn't type any of our commands |
| 02:59.02 | tvn | I cannot execute files on a nfs mounted file system |
| 02:59.06 | Azar | wtf he brings xp screens here? |
| 02:59.06 | Seb | this is too good |
| 02:59.06 | sengir37 | mrfg: What happens in windows is of no use here. |
| 02:59.15 | mrfg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.16 | encompass | haha |
| 02:59.16 | mrfg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.16 | peej | Azar: I intended my MS comparison as illuminating rather than negative. Reinstallation is drastic. And I accept responsibility for what breaks. The advice on fixing comes to: (upgrade || die) or (reinstall back to stable) or (backports). |
| 02:59.18 | servus | modprobe forcedeth |
| 02:59.20 | abrotman | mrfg: STOP |
| 02:59.20 | zinx | 0000E2 (base 16) ACER TECHNOLOGIES CORP. |
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| 02:59.24 | sengir37 | mrfg: We want to know what LINUX DRIVER you use with the card |
| 02:59.25 | mrfg | i am sorry |
| 02:59.30 | Azar | mrfg: DO A FREAKING IFCONFIG in debian |
| 02:59.35 | mrfg | debian sarge |
| 02:59.38 | mrfg | kernel 2.6 |
| 02:59.40 | zinx | ifconfig won't tell you the driver |
| 02:59.41 | Seb | good lawd |
| 02:59.43 | mrfg | nvidia |
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| 02:59.49 | Seb | hahahahahahaha |
| 02:59.51 | peej | one other solution: make from source, stick in local. But that's what packaging is meant to avoid really. |
| 02:59.51 | Tortel | !moo |
| 02:59.52 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:59.52 | Seb | oh man |
| 02:59.59 | mrfg | :D |
| 03:00.00 | Seb | i'm laughing so hard |
| 03:00.03 | mrfg | funny huh? |
| 03:00.03 | Azar | oh sorry |
| 03:00.04 | mrfg | :D |
| 03:00.13 | Azar | lspci |
| 03:00.18 | Azar | LSPCI IN DEBIAN |
| 03:00.24 | encompass | does that command work? |
| 03:00.26 | amphi | or lsmod, even |
| 03:00.26 | abrotman | in lower case |
| 03:00.29 | encompass | apt-get moo |
| 03:00.30 | xfoxx | i just installed a program but dont know where is it or how to call it, what command can i use to see what package i got installed? |
| 03:00.31 | Seb | peej: so my solution doesn't appeal to you ? |
| 03:00.34 | sengir37 | mrfg: Not the manufacturer, not the model, not windows dumps, the name of the linux driver. |
| 03:00.35 | mrfg | sure |
| 03:00.38 | mrfg | okay |
| 03:00.41 | Seb | xfoxx: dpkg -L package |
| 03:00.41 | servus | Now that is what I call an excellent troll. |
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| 03:00.47 | mrfg | i need to restart :D |
| 03:00.48 | servus | Bravo |
| 03:00.53 | Azar | good night |
| 03:00.53 | sengir37 | amphi: lsmod wont help if the driver is compiled into the kernel =/ |
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| 03:00.56 | mrfg | i will be back on 1 min |
| 03:00.57 | Seb | xfoxx: possibly dpkg -L package | grep bin to find executables |
| 03:01.14 | amphi | sengir37: true enough, but unlikely if it's an install kernel, no? |
| 03:01.18 | Seb | sengir37: he shouldbe using a debian kernel, no way he managed to get anything compiled by hand |
| 03:01.18 | Azar | he reboots to look what is loaded for Ethernet Controller |
| 03:01.20 | encompass | HAHA the apt-get moo works! |
| 03:01.25 | Seb | encompass: of course |
| 03:01.31 | Azar | try m00 |
| 03:01.37 | encompass | well, like I new that |
| 03:01.38 | encompass | ok |
| 03:01.41 | sengir37 | Azar: Yeah, cause he was in windows xp. *sigh* |
| 03:01.45 | peej | Seb: upgrade? nah. limited space at the mo. I was hoping for a quick fix. But thanks for clarifying the issues. |
| 03:01.51 | servus | Actually, I *have* mooed lately. |
| 03:01.54 | Azar | ah, dual boot |
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| 03:02.03 | Seb | peej: no problem |
| 03:02.16 | encompass | moo |
| 03:02.19 | encompass | mooo! |
| 03:02.23 | Seb | peej: but no, no quick fix for that kind of fuck-up :\ Honestly ,this is the *worst* thing you could od to a debian box... :) |
| 03:02.30 | amphi | !lart encompass |
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| 03:02.39 | servus | When I first got my NForce2 motherboard, I didn't have an nforce-eth driver anywhere, so I had to use a PCI 8139 ethernet card to download the drivers. |
| 03:02.43 | peej | Seb: but what use is pinning then? |
| 03:02.46 | xfoxx | can anyone put a cobbold please i cannot make em =) |
| 03:02.53 | encompass | I am a cowboy |
| 03:02.57 | amphi | xfoxx: huh? |
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| 03:03.01 | abrotman | xfoxx: what? |
| 03:03.09 | xfoxx | the thing that goes just after a irc channel |
| 03:03.20 | sengir37 | ... |
| 03:03.21 | encompass | so you can copy and paste it |
| 03:03.22 | encompass | haha |
| 03:03.23 | xfoxx | it is just i dont know how to get it, not with ascii command or keyboard work |
| 03:03.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:03.38 | xfoxx | =P i know but put one so i can copy it |
| 03:03.39 | encompass | my keyboard has al kinds of stuff |
| 03:03.40 | amphi | xfoxx: an octorpe? |
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| 03:03.53 | amphi | xfoxx: er, octothorpe? |
| 03:03.56 | xfoxx | ehh i dont know |
| 03:04.02 | happyb | what is the logic to the 1gig Ram "limit" on a debian install? |
| 03:04.02 | xfoxx | what it is called |
| 03:04.08 | amphi | xfoxx: this? # |
| 03:04.15 | xfoxx | yes that thingie =D thanks |
| 03:04.26 | encompass | Number thingy |
| 03:04.29 | happyb | pound |
| 03:04.35 | abrotman | hash ? |
| 03:04.36 | amphi | octothorpe |
| 03:04.39 | happyb | pound |
| 03:04.40 | encompass | happyb exactly |
| 03:04.46 | sengir37 | Tictactoe |
| 03:04.50 | encompass | bingo |
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| 03:05.22 | Seb | sharp |
| 03:05.28 | Tortel | !run |
| 03:05.28 | happyb | is there any way around the 1gig ram limit without a recompile? |
| 03:05.29 | amphi | Other names: Pound, Number, Sharp, Crunch, Mesh, Hex, Hash, Flash, Grid, Octothorpe |
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| 03:05.37 | peej | Seb: is this article totally evil stuff that beginners should not do : http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 03:05.41 | Tortel | !skillz |
| 03:05.44 | abrotman | happyb: use a 2.6 kernel |
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| 03:05.50 | happyb | i did. |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | happyb: which one ? |
| 03:05.55 | happyb | debian install: linux26 |
| 03:06.00 | Seb | peej: yes |
| 03:06.01 | happyb | debian netinstall |
| 03:06.06 | abrotman | uname -r ? |
| 03:06.06 | happyb | only see's 1gig |
| 03:06.20 | abrotman | uname -r ? |
| 03:06.20 | happyb | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 03:06.20 | xfoxx | buahg anyone know here how do i start the program Vmware?? =P |
| 03:06.22 | abrotman | and which CPU ? |
| 03:06.25 | Seb | peej: afaik, pinning hsould only be used between testing and stable. But again, I'm not using myself, so don't take my word for it |
| 03:06.32 | abrotman | happyb: CPU is ? |
| 03:06.39 | happyb | pentium M |
| 03:06.41 | Seb | peej: but mixing stable & testing | unstable is *bad*, that I know |
| 03:06.42 | happyb | mobile |
| 03:06.42 | mrfg | lspci gives me : 0000:00:04,0 eth .. .... .. nvidia .. nForce2 .... |
| 03:06.53 | abrotman | happyb: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:06.57 | zinx | which driver? |
| 03:07.06 | abrotman | happyb: reboot .. see more than 1G .. get beer .. relax! |
| 03:07.07 | Seb | xfoxx: it's a commercial product, there is good doc for it |
| 03:07.07 | zinx | or none? |
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| 03:07.18 | zinx | you need to use either the kernel driver, which is experimental, or nVidia's driver |
| 03:07.21 | servus | I mix and match between stable, testing and unstable. |
| 03:07.24 | happyb | so install doens't have 2.6-686? |
| 03:07.31 | xfoxx | seb, where can i find it?? |
| 03:07.36 | Seb | xfoxx: you *buy* it |
| 03:07.40 | jclinton | how do i access the mime system in Gnome 2.10? |
| 03:07.47 | mrfg | hello? |
| 03:07.47 | Seb | xfoxx: since it's _commercial_ |
| 03:07.48 | jclinton | i want to change my default apps |
| 03:07.55 | jclinton | mrfg: hi |
| 03:07.57 | Seb | jclinton: #gnome |
| 03:08.06 | xfoxx | seb, (O_o) well i didnt get the program my dad got it =P and i dont understand how to call it i just wanna call it XP |
| 03:08.10 | jclinton | Seb: no one is home |
| 03:08.15 | zinx | mrfg: (zinx) which driver? (zinx) or none? (zinx) you need to use either the kernel driver, which is experimental, or nVidia's driver |
| 03:08.18 | happyb | vmware: /usr/bin/vmware |
| 03:08.23 | happyb | does that help? |
| 03:08.23 | abrotman | happyb: not by default .. no |
| 03:08.26 | Seb | xfoxx: you did install this program already ? |
| 03:08.29 | happyb | blast! |
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| 03:08.37 | mrfg | i believe nvidia |
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| 03:08.39 | xfoxx | seb, yes but i dont know whats the command name to call it |
| 03:08.40 | happyb | after apt-get do i just reboot? |
| 03:08.43 | meeA_girls | hi |
| 03:08.46 | mrfg | not zinx |
| 03:08.49 | Seb | xfoxx: vmware most likely |
| 03:08.55 | zinx | mrfg: "nvidia" is a driver for video only |
| 03:09.02 | mrfg | no no |
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| 03:09.06 | mrfg | for all |
| 03:09.12 | Seb | zinx: having fun yet ? :> |
| 03:09.14 | xfoxx | hehe got error oh well |
| 03:09.14 | xfoxx | XD |
| 03:09.17 | zinx | mrfg: what? the "nvidia" driver is only for video |
| 03:09.24 | amphi | xfoxx: what error? |
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| 03:09.32 | abrotman | happyb: sure |
| 03:09.34 | xfoxx | /usr/bin/vmware: line 85: /etc/vmware/locations: No such file or directory |
| 03:09.36 | mrfg | aaaan, didnt know that .. :D |
| 03:09.38 | sengir37 | mrfg: "nVidia" is a manufacturer, "nvidia" is a video driver, "forcedeth" is a network driver |
| 03:09.39 | abrotman | wow ... |
| 03:09.44 | happyb | how did you install vmare? |
| 03:09.57 | abrotman | it's like Texas in here ... |
| 03:10.12 | Seb | abrotman: how so ? :) |
| 03:10.13 | amphi | xfoxx: sounds like you need to set it up |
| 03:10.20 | sengir37 | mrfg: We are asking for the character-by-character literal exact name of the driver you are using. |
| 03:10.22 | mrfg | is there anyone who has nvidia ethernal lan card? |
| 03:10.22 | abrotman | Seb: if you missed it .. you're from texas :) |
| 03:10.23 | encompass | When I compiled my new kernel it said it can't mount the root filesystem... is that a kernel problem? |
| 03:10.27 | abrotman | !nforce |
| 03:10.28 | dpkg | nforce is probably a chipset made by nvidia. It is not (properly) supported in kernels older than 2.4.22. if you didn't know this and bought your hardware anyway, boo on you. |
| 03:10.28 | sengir37 | mrfg: Like, for example "forcedeth" |
| 03:10.28 | xfoxx | i get 3 errors |
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| 03:10.33 | xfoxx | here is another one |
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| 03:10.39 | mrfg | hello |
| 03:10.39 | xfoxx | /usr/bin/vmware: line 183: /lib/wrapper-gtk24.sh: No such file or directory |
| 03:10.41 | happyb | encompass: sounds like grub/lilo problem |
| 03:10.42 | Seb | xfoxx: vmware-config.pl |
| 03:10.44 | mrfg | i typewd lspci |
| 03:10.48 | mrfg | and it gives me |
| 03:10.56 | jclinton | how do i access the mime system in Gnome 2.10? i want to change the default apps |
| 03:10.57 | Seb | mrfg: you were told to run dmesg | grep eth0 though |
| 03:10.57 | happyb | YEAH: 2 gigs! |
| 03:11.03 | xfoxx | Unable to find the database file (/etc/vmware/locations) |
| 03:11.04 | encompass | mrfg I sould google it |
| 03:11.04 | abrotman | happyb: happy? |
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| 03:11.10 | Seb | abrotman: i'm not ! :> |
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| 03:11.17 | happyb | yup |
| 03:11.22 | happyb | lets see if apps run now |
| 03:11.25 | abrotman | Seb: thenyou got the joke :) |
| 03:11.33 | mrfg | nvidia ethernet controller É nvidia corporation nForce2 ethernet controller (rev all) |
| 03:11.38 | Seb | heh, k |
| 03:11.42 | mrfg | by char by char.. |
| 03:11.45 | encompass | happyb, ok, what can I do to fix it. |
| 03:12.01 | sengir37 | mrfg: Yeah, but the driver name isn't in that |
| 03:12.08 | peej | Seb: ooooh. ooooh. I didn't rtfm! the -t flag is useful. And seb, you should question why it is bad. I suspect it is bad if a major lib (libc6 libc6-dev and others in this case) are upgraded, 'cos stability is going to be dubious. |
| 03:12.10 | mrfg | hold on seb |
| 03:12.12 | amphi | encompass: build / fs support and ide stuff into the kernel, not modules |
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| 03:12.21 | grendal_prime | im really frustrated... |
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| 03:12.26 | sengir37 | mrfg: The output of 'dmesg | grep eth0' would be helpful. |
| 03:12.31 | encompass | amphi is that my problem? |
| 03:12.32 | xfoxx | how do i know if a file that i downloadad it is not damage??? |
| 03:12.38 | happyb | damnit! now vmware wont reconfigure |
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| 03:12.43 | happyb | oh well...time for sleep. |
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| 03:12.50 | grendal_prime | i built this router...set it up exactly the same way as the router in place...same iptable rules...same everything..damn thing will not route |
| 03:12.54 | Seb | peej: you need to understand we see tons of users here everyday, and most of them cannot get that level of details, so we usualy go with "dont mix stable & testing | unstable" :) |
| 03:12.54 | peej | Seb: the -t flag listed what needed to be done to install it (and it was a painfull list for cycle). |
| 03:12.56 | amphi | encompass: if disk hw and/or root fs support is in modules, yes |
| 03:13.12 | sengir37 | xfoxx: md5? |
| 03:13.17 | grif | is there anything on a debian system that by default would keep enabling rp_filter on an interface? |
| 03:13.18 | Seb | peej: i mean, it needs to be simply formulated for everyone to get it right away :) |
| 03:13.24 | xfoxx | sengir37, md5 what?? |
| 03:13.27 | mrfg | aight ppl |
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| 03:13.30 | mrfg | good night |
| 03:13.37 | grendal_prime | now the weird part is..from the machine i can see everthing on the internal nic..and everything on the internet...but its just not forwarding requests and doing the nat |
| 03:13.37 | Seb | grif: dhcp client ? |
| 03:13.37 | peej | Seb: yep, understood, and once again, thanks. |
| 03:13.38 | Seb | peej: sure |
| 03:13.40 | boneless | does xp need to be configured as a domain to accsess its shared disks with samba? |
| 03:13.46 | mrfg | thanks for wasting time for me :D |
| 03:13.53 | xfoxx | sengir37, i just started using deb yesterday so i dont know a lot of things =P |
| 03:14.05 | Seb | boneless: smbclient can access any shared disk, no need for xp to be a domain or anything |
| 03:14.07 | grendal_prime | is there a list of packages needed for this to work..cause im. compleatly befuddled |
| 03:14.18 | grif | Seb: it's on a server that isn't a dhcp client or a dhcp server |
| 03:14.19 | boneless | ok thanks |
| 03:14.25 | sengir37 | xfoxx: If the place you downloaded the file has an md5 hash as well, you can generate the hash of the file you got and compare it to the posted hash |
| 03:14.31 | Seb | grif: not sure then. Is this a problem for you ? |
| 03:14.35 | sengir37 | xfoxx: If they are the same, the file was not damaged in transit. |
| 03:14.46 | Seb | grif: I mean, if it's compiled in your kernel, i believe it'll be enabled by default on all interfaces |
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| 03:15.04 | Seb | grif: if you odn't want it, take it out of your kernel I guess. But this realy shouldn't be aa problem. |
| 03:15.04 | encompass | amphi I left all the FS settings at default when I compiled, shouldn't it stay with the deb config for that? |
| 03:15.05 | grif | seb: yeah, it's messing with my monitoring software, it keeps enabling which makes the interface report as offline |
| 03:15.05 | xfoxx | sengir37, thanks |
| 03:15.14 | Seb | grif: ah k |
| 03:15.35 | Seb | grif: is there an ifconfig option to turn it off maybe ? You might wanna google that... |
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| 03:16.10 | Dasnipa` | hey whats the util to view/modify file permissions? |
| 03:16.13 | amphi | encompass: the install kernel has a lot of stuff as modules and uses an initrd; as you know what you need, you can build stuff necessary for accessing / into the kernel and dispense with initrd |
| 03:16.14 | Seb | chmod |
| 03:16.25 | Dasnipa` | ahh yeah thats it ty seb |
| 03:16.27 | sengir37 | Dasnipa`: and 'ls -l' to view |
| 03:16.27 | Seb | Dasnipa`: ls -l or stat to see ,chmod to modify |
| 03:16.39 | encompass | oh |
| 03:16.47 | Seb | amphi: please don't recommend that to people |
| 03:16.50 | encompass | amphi thanks, I didn{t think about that |
| 03:16.55 | amphi | Seb: ? |
| 03:16.55 | Seb | amphi: we list most of them to run debian precompiled images |
| 03:17.11 | Seb | amphi: much easier to help them out, as we can rule out anything missing in a kernel |
| 03:17.15 | Seb | s/list/like/ |
| 03:17.17 | amphi | Seb: he's already built his own kernel, that will not boot ;) |
| 03:17.32 | Seb | amphi: so he needs to go back to a precompiled debian one, my point precisely :D |
| 03:17.48 | amphi | Seb: ok ;) |
| 03:17.58 | sengir37 | Seb: I dunno. I think rolling your own kernel is one of the basic benefits of linux |
| 03:18.03 | encompass | tell you what... the only reason I am compiling the new kernel is to get the apm stuff working on my lappy, it seems it is not installed into the deb 2.6.8 kernel so I am using the deb source to make a new kernel with the source in it |
| 03:18.07 | sengir37 | Seb: I'd hate to rule that out right out of the gate |
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| 03:18.31 | encompass | That and I want to try to roll my own kernel to become more experienced in linux |
| 03:18.34 | Seb | sengir37: true, but for helping noobs in here, we avoid advertising that ;) |
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| 03:18.40 | Seb | sengir37: if you know what I mean :> |
| 03:18.53 | amphi | encompass: IIRC, if acpi and apm support are both in the kernel, it will default to acpi - you need to boot with acpi=off I think, and apm will be active |
| 03:19.03 | Seb | amphi: that's right |
| 03:19.16 | sengir37 | Seb: Yeah. It's just a fine line between simplifying for noobs, and hiding powerful features. |
| 03:19.26 | encompass | and to have acpi working? |
| 03:19.31 | encompass | acpi=on? |
| 03:19.40 | sengir37 | encompass: No, acpi is the default |
| 03:19.43 | Seb | encompass: there are plenty of things you can become more experienced with before you get actual benefits from rolling a custom kernel |
| 03:19.49 | amphi | encompass: acpi _should_ work automatically - does /proc/acpi exist? |
| 03:19.50 | peej | ah ... a great explanation of why apt pinning can be bad is at http://lists.debian.org:80/debian-devel/2003/01/msg01679.html |
| 03:19.55 | Seb | sengir37: it is :) |
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| 03:19.58 | encompass | when I try to stat the acpi it says it is not in the kernel |
| 03:20.15 | Seb | peej: good, you're looking for doc yourself, that'll get you far ;) |
| 03:20.19 | encompass | I will check peej |
| 03:20.22 | Drakeson | I have a problem regarding mediawiki. I installed it (apt-get install mediawiki) and now I have some stuff in /usr/share/mediawiki, /var/lib/mediawiki. perhaps I don't know how the apache2 modules are configured in debian. MY QUESTION is how can I configure it. |
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| 03:20.39 | amphi | encompass: does ls /proc/acpi show you anything? |
| 03:20.39 | Seb | Drakeson: /usr/share/doc/mediawiki/... |
| 03:20.40 | encompass | peej no it doesn't |
| 03:21.10 | Seb | Drakeson: for every single packagefoo, doc is in /usr/share/doc/packagefoo |
| 03:21.10 | jclinton | how do i access the mime system in Gnome 2.10? i want to change the default apps used to open a file I double click in nautilus |
| 03:21.16 | encompass | amphi it doesn't |
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| 03:21.21 | liable | encompass: 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:21.24 | encompass | yes |
| 03:21.25 | sengir37 | encompass: As an aside have you looked at linux-laptop.net? It has lots of great info on getting laptops working with linux. |
| 03:21.37 | amphi | encompass: does modprobe acpi work ? |
| 03:21.38 | encompass | yes I have |
| 03:21.43 | encompass | let me try |
| 03:22.05 | encompass | no such device |
| 03:22.29 | encompass | 2.4 kernel sees my battery but not 2.6, but I want 2.6 because of udav |
| 03:22.32 | encompass | udev sorry |
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| 03:22.53 | amphi | encompass: what laptop is it? perhaps it has no acpi support? try booting with acpi=off and see if apm works |
| 03:22.59 | Seb | encompass: and you compiled this one yourself ? |
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| 03:23.10 | crackawoody | Hi, is there a Remote Desktop Connection client for Debian to connect to a XP pc? |
| 03:23.13 | Seb | amphi: is he running a custom kernel right now or not ? |
| 03:23.22 | encompass | and I don't get a poweroff it jsut stops and poweroff and waits for me... that is a sure sign of no power management |
| 03:23.26 | xfoxx | how can i make linux RW a NTFS partition??? |
| 03:23.30 | Seb | crackawoody: apt-cache search remote desktop |
| 03:23.34 | Seb | xfoxx: don't do that |
| 03:23.36 | encompass | no I am not running a special kenrnel |
| 03:23.39 | amphi | Seb: I believe not, as his wouldn't boot |
| 03:23.41 | Seb | xfoxx: you'll waste your data |
| 03:23.46 | xfoxx | seb, (O_o) |
| 03:23.52 | Seb | encompass: so dmesg | grep -i acpi doesn't return anything ? |
| 03:23.54 | servus | I hear NTFS write support is good now. |
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| 03:24.01 | Seb | no it's not |
| 03:24.03 | Seb | afaik |
| 03:24.03 | Drakeson | Seb: sorry to be so dumb, but what is the best way to view doc files? |
| 03:24.05 | peej | dpkg, mixing stable and unstable? |
| 03:24.05 | dpkg | well, mixing stable and unstable is discussed at http://lists.debian.org:80/debian-devel/2003/01/msg01679.html - talks about pinning etc |
| 03:24.08 | encompass | le me check that command no |
| 03:24.12 | Seb | Drakeson: zmore if they are .gz |
| 03:24.15 | amphi | Drakeson: ms word docs? antiword |
| 03:24.36 | servus | http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ NTFS Read-write. |
| 03:24.38 | Drakeson | amphi: no, documentation files. Seb: thanks |
| 03:24.39 | Seb | Drakeson: or emacs, or vi, or more, or less, any editor you like really :) zmore is usually good, it decompresses on the fly if needed |
| 03:24.43 | crackawoody | hmm, which one is to connect to XP? |
| 03:24.54 | Seb | crackawoody: try them |
| 03:25.02 | crackawoody | all of them? |
| 03:25.06 | Seb | crackawoody: apt-get install, apt-get remove if it's not right. power of Debian. |
| 03:25.14 | crackawoody | grr |
| 03:25.22 | Seb | crackawoody: no, not all of them |
| 03:25.25 | crackawoody | surely someone has done this and knows |
| 03:25.32 | Seb | crackawoody: by looking at the descriptions you should be able to narrow it down |
| 03:25.33 | xfoxx | servus, have you tried this before??? |
| 03:25.39 | encompass | ha!' |
| 03:25.47 | crackawoody | vnc wont work hey |
| 03:25.53 | crackawoody | thats only for across the network |
| 03:25.55 | amphi | encompass: ? |
| 03:25.57 | encompass | it says that acpi is disabled because my bios is to old! |
| 03:25.59 | servus | xfoxx: No, but it says it uses the actual Windows ntfs.sys driver, instead of trying to fake it. |
| 03:26.00 | Seb | crackawoody: what ? |
| 03:26.12 | Seb | crackawoody: "accros the network" ? |
| 03:26.37 | encompass | well, let me try the apm option, acpi=off in the kenrel boot at grub |
| 03:26.39 | stew | crackawoody: x11 is for "across the network" too |
| 03:26.41 | encompass | and see what happens |
| 03:26.44 | Seb | xfoxx: honestly, stay off of it if you value your data |
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| 03:26.55 | Seb | encompass: simply acpi=off should do |
| 03:27.05 | encompass | thanks guys, this is great |
| 03:27.10 | encompass | see ya |
| 03:27.23 | crackawoody | you are leading me on a wild goose chase |
| 03:27.31 | steve | exit |
| 03:27.35 | stew | !wayttd crackawoody |
| 03:27.38 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, crackawoody? |
| 03:27.39 | amphi | encompass: there you go - try acpi=off and apm |
| 03:27.42 | Seb | crackawoody: nah, but you're not willing to do shit on your side |
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| 03:28.15 | Seb | crackawoody: ask google if you like. obviously none of us in here now have tried RDC from woody to xp, what do you want us to do, recommend something we don't know shit about ? |
| 03:28.28 | hfly | how can i get a list of available packages for download matching 'alsa' ? |
| 03:28.32 | Azar | sengir37 |
| 03:28.38 | sengir37 | Azar |
| 03:28.41 | Seb | stew: RDC from woody to xp |
| 03:28.49 | amphi | hfly: apt-cache search alsa |
| 03:28.56 | stew | crackawoody: i've done that, rdesktop works fine for everything but audio |
| 03:29.10 | hfly | amphi: thank you |
| 03:29.14 | amphi | hfly: you might want to pipe that into less ;) |
| 03:29.30 | Seb | crackawoody: yeah, because "rdesktop - RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server" prolly wasn't explicit enough for ya... |
| 03:29.32 | Azar | sengir37, next time tell your friend to install and use irssi and how to open up multiple terminals to administer the system, he does not need to keep booting and rebooting from xp to debian .. |
| 03:30.03 | sengir37 | Azar: Well, I was assuming he didn't have networking operational windows-side |
| 03:30.16 | sengir37 | Azar: Errr |
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| 03:30.23 | sengir37 | Azar: I mean linux-side |
| 03:30.23 | Seb | amphi: apts() { apt-cache search $@ | sort | less } ;) |
| 03:30.27 | Azar | sengir37, oh I was talking about mrfg |
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| 03:30.38 | encompass | now is there a sure fire way to see if apm is working now? |
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| 03:30.45 | Azar | sengir37, oh I see |
| 03:30.45 | Seb | encompass: yeah, run the apm command |
| 03:30.47 | grendal_prime | i fixed it |
| 03:30.55 | grendal_prime | frigging ip forward was not enabled |
| 03:31.01 | amphi | encompass: does /proc/apm exisr? |
| 03:31.03 | Seb | grendal_prime: echo 1 >> /proc/... ? |
| 03:31.06 | amphi | er, exist |
| 03:31.22 | stew | encompass: have you looked at linux-laptop.net and tuxmobil.org to see what others with your laptop have done? |
| 03:31.25 | encompass | let me check |
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| 03:31.40 | grendal_prime | i hate it when i do that... ??? what Seb ? |
| 03:31.42 | stew | grendal_prime: edit /etc/network/options and restart networking |
| 03:31.44 | Seb | encompass: running the apm command would have told ya too |
| 03:31.50 | grendal_prime | ya i did |
| 03:32.04 | Seb | grendal_prime: i was wondering if that was what you had forgotten initially :) |
| 03:32.07 | grendal_prime | im up on here now..and using that router...so...its done |
| 03:32.09 | encompass | no it doesn't exist |
| 03:32.17 | amphi | encompass: try modprobe apm |
| 03:32.21 | SimonRaven | /et/networking/options is deprecated. use /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 03:32.24 | SimonRaven | etc* |
| 03:32.25 | stew | encompass: what doesn't exist? |
| 03:32.39 | Seb | SimonRaven: heh, soon enough linux will be all like BSD ;) |
| 03:32.39 | grendal_prime | i need to build my firewall now...with the iptables..but i have a really nice model to work from on that |
| 03:32.41 | encompass | and it still says no apm support in kenrel |
| 03:32.48 | Seb | encompass: try to modprobe apm |
| 03:32.49 | encompass | proc/apm |
| 03:33.07 | SimonRaven | Seb: there's stuff about *bsd i like, some other stuff not so much |
| 03:33.17 | Seb | SimonRaven: what is it you don't like, for instance ? |
| 03:33.32 | encompass | Seb it just installed it I think |
| 03:33.33 | DavidW2 | ok, it looks like apache-ssl and apache2 are different, so how do I set up ssl support for apache2? :/ |
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| 03:33.40 | Seb | encompass: no try to run apm |
| 03:33.43 | Seb | s/no/now/ |
| 03:33.46 | stew | SimonRaven: if /etc/network/options is deprecated, the README.Debian in netbase doens't reflect that |
| 03:33.55 | encompass | THERE! |
| 03:34.28 | encompass | Seb it is working, as the little padiwan screems "it's working" |
| 03:34.30 | Azar | stew, I would think that the README's and manuals are not updating as fast as the system or system components |
| 03:34.44 | amphi | encompass: now /proc/apm is there, right? |
| 03:35.01 | encompass | yes |
| 03:35.03 | peej | wayhaaayy! cycle is a backported package! Frabjous day! |
| 03:35.03 | Seb | encompass: so now, add a line that says "apm" to /etc/modules |
| 03:35.04 | deadcat | hello |
| 03:35.07 | encompass | less it and I get my info |
| 03:35.10 | Seb | sup deadcat |
| 03:35.13 | amphi | encompass: so do echo apm >> /etc/modules |
| 03:35.17 | Azar | .. I am still geting ideas of issues I need to know from online manuals written back in 2001 and 2002 |
| 03:35.19 | encompass | I runn at console so thats how I like to check it |
| 03:35.20 | stew | SimonRaven: nm, i'm looking at #330830 now |
| 03:35.22 | Seb | encompass: so that next time it gets loaded at boot automatically |
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| 03:35.36 | amphi | encompass: note that it's 2 '>'s |
| 03:35.36 | encompass | ok amphi |
| 03:35.40 | encompass | ok |
| 03:35.49 | SimonRaven | stew: changelog |
| 03:35.58 | Seb | amphi: you're treading dangerous waters man :) |
| 03:36.37 | Drakeson | perhaps i am still too dumb but "grep -i install" gives me nothing in /usr/share/doc/mediawiki/* (actually I gunziped all of them including subdirs in another place and searched through them) |
| 03:36.39 | amphi | Seb: as the saying hath it, we learn through 'trial & error' ;) |
| 03:37.03 | Seb | amphi: it's all about the audience you're addressing ;) Safer to tell them to edit the file and add a line. Plus, they actually understand what they're doing ,whereas echo apm >> /etc/modules might not mean anything to some of them |
| 03:37.08 | encompass | amphi what does that do... add a line to that file? |
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| 03:37.32 | Seb | amphi: heh, sure, but you forgot the & fix after trial & error. That part we usually take care of :\ |
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| 03:37.34 | Seb | encompass: precisely |
| 03:37.44 | encompass | COOL |
| 03:37.52 | SimonRaven | like, say, the >> gets turned into > ... *oops* |
| 03:37.54 | encompass | I wish I new that along time ago! |
| 03:37.55 | L|NUX | dontae : www.pakistanhelp.com please take a look |
| 03:37.56 | sengir37 | encompass: Yeah, '>' is output redirection that overwrites a file, '>>' is the same but it appends |
| 03:38.07 | encompass | like a pipe |
| 03:38.21 | SimonRaven | formally called a redirection |
| 03:38.25 | encompass | oh |
| 03:38.29 | sengir37 | encompass: Yeah, but pipe is program to program, and > is program to file |
| 03:38.30 | amphi | encompass: yeah, >> appends to the file; a single > will overwrite the file, destroying whatever was there before - thus Seb's remonstration ;) |
| 03:38.32 | encompass | this is so cool |
| 03:38.35 | SimonRaven | man bash; /REDIRECT |
| 03:38.47 | encompass | bash looks pretty cool |
| 03:38.53 | Seb | zsh loks cooler |
| 03:38.56 | Seb | looks |
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| 03:39.02 | SimonRaven | (or sh for that matter) |
| 03:39.05 | amphi | Seb: indeed |
| 03:39.07 | sengir37 | You can also use '<' to cram the contents of a file *into* a command. That's input redirection |
| 03:39.10 | grendal_prime | man im so glad i got that working...mkes my life so much easyer...you know there is no better router than a debian router...ive looked at all the distros for this...and im pretty sure its the shit |
| 03:39.12 | encompass | so, should I report this problem to debian about the apm stuff |
| 03:39.13 | encompass | ? |
| 03:39.18 | jordo23 | how do I grant total permission to a directory for a samba share? |
| 03:39.24 | Seb | grendal_prime: there is. An OpenBSD router. |
| 03:39.26 | jordo23 | I just can't remember. |
| 03:39.49 | encompass | jordo23 I wihs I knew too |
| 03:39.51 | grendal_prime | well...but see openbsd..is that actually linux? |
| 03:39.53 | jordo23 | chmod -R +rwx /share |
| 03:39.54 | Seb | jordo23: be more specific |
| 03:39.55 | encompass | I can't set it up |
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| 03:40.01 | SimonRaven | openbsd doesn't run on !x86 however |
| 03:40.02 | jordo23 | it's a chmod command |
| 03:40.06 | Seb | grendal_prime: no, it's bsd, surprise |
| 03:40.11 | Seb | SimonRaven: whut ? |
| 03:40.11 | amphi | encompass: can't set up what? |
| 03:40.14 | grendal_prime | bsd anything i think is probably better |
| 03:40.17 | Seb | SimonRaven: you're kidding right ? |
| 03:40.18 | SimonRaven | jordo23: uh, you sure you want that? |
| 03:40.20 | jordo23 | Seb: I just want to set the permissions but I can't remember how to |
| 03:40.26 | SimonRaven | Seb: www.openbsd.org |
| 03:40.30 | jordo23 | SimonRaven: It's just a home network |
| 03:40.31 | Seb | jordo23: how is chmod not working |
| 03:40.32 | encompass | jordo23 you want people to access the file from samba and see and do anything they want to it right? |
| 03:40.41 | Seb | SimonRaven: dude i'm running it on sparc at least |
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| 03:40.46 | jordo23 | encompass: yeah....it's firewalled |
| 03:40.59 | Seb | SimonRaven: it also runs on mips, amd64, etc... |
| 03:41.05 | encompass | jordo23 I wish I knew this too, I want to know too |
| 03:41.05 | SimonRaven | jordo23: i don't care. a lot of "home networks" have been compromised, and that causes problems |
| 03:41.05 | jordo23 | it's just a simple samba connection from one computer to another |
| 03:41.19 | jordo23 | SimonRaven: I don't care about security in this case |
| 03:41.21 | SimonRaven | Seb: really? ok. didn't see that when i was browsing |
| 03:41.31 | SimonRaven | i do. |
| 03:41.37 | Seb | SimonRaven: http://openbsd.org/plat.html |
| 03:41.42 | sengir37 | IIRC NetBSD is supposed to be ported to damn near anything. Dunno about the otehr flavors. |
| 03:41.44 | Seb | SimonRaven: at ton of them, really ;) |
| 03:41.54 | Seb | sengir37: almost the same, but not quite |
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| 03:41.59 | Seb | s/at/a/ |
| 03:42.01 | encompass | SimonRaven how do I even make it so the windows computers can access it, windows keeps telling me I don{t have the rights to get into it, and doesn't ask for a password or username either |
| 03:42.28 | grendal_prime | bsd will not run on x86? that doesnt sound right a friend of min was running it on his dell laptop |
| 03:42.34 | encompass | it just wigs out on me |
| 03:42.34 | SimonRaven | i don't do samba much. i have it installed, but was for experimentation only |
| 03:42.34 | Seb | SimonRaven: they're porting for the G5s these days too. This is gonna be great for xserves for instance. |
| 03:42.52 | Seb | grendal_prime: no he meant openbsd didn't run on anything *but* x86. But that was a lie ;) |
| 03:42.55 | SimonRaven | newworld mac ppc only :| |
| 03:43.23 | encompass | I am excited about apples intel venture, that will be interesting |
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| 03:43.45 | sengir37 | .me wishes he had a nice OS for his SGI Indigo 2's |
| 03:43.48 | SimonRaven | oh yeh, i remember now. wanted to put some bsd on the 8500 |
| 03:43.48 | sengir37 | D'oh |
| 03:43.59 | grendal_prime | well i have coworkers that have built bsd boxes...they all say the same thing and that is basically it uses alot of the same background but its a different beast |
| 03:44.12 | encompass | amphi now will this apm stuff boot automatically now... and should I change my menu.lst entry too? |
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| 03:44.54 | encompass | sengir37 you have an inidgo? cool |
| 03:45.08 | sengir37 | encompass: Nope. Indigo 2's. Different machine. |
| 03:45.13 | grendal_prime | hey i used webmin to create this...firewall rule anyone know where the iptables get stored on debian machines hehehe |
| 03:45.21 | SimonRaven | seen indigoes, but the 2 ones are better i hear |
| 03:45.26 | Drakeson | my problem is a funny one. "the packaging of mediawiki in debian" . when I ask in #mediawiki they are likely to cry "go ask whoever made that package for you" (i mean the debian package) and when I RTFM (/usr/share/doc/mediawiki/*) I find nothing regarding installation. ** So, has anybody had a successful use of the mediawiki packaged for debian? |
| 03:45.29 | sengir37 | encompass: But all I have for them are broken Irix installs. I never got around to getting something better. |
| 03:45.34 | SimonRaven | @kill webmin |
| 03:45.36 | sengir37 | encompass: My Indy runs debian though |
| 03:45.38 | Seb | ok, off for dinner. Hmmm, salmon... See y'all later... |
| 03:45.41 | grendal_prime | i know that sounds lame asss but hey..im lazy as hell |
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| 03:45.59 | servus | Drakeson: It's just PHP. No need to use a Debian package at all. |
| 03:46.14 | Seb | sengir37: what proc is that ? mips ? |
| 03:46.22 | encompass | cool |
| 03:46.27 | amphi | encompass: yeah, the module will be loaded at boot time - you want to add acpi=off to the kernel command line in menu.lst |
| 03:46.38 | encompass | ok |
| 03:46.39 | encompass | thanks |
| 03:46.39 | sengir37 | Seb: Yeah, the Indy is an r5k, and the Indigo 2's are R10k IIRC |
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| 03:46.58 | Seb | sengir37: http://openbsd.org/sgi.html ? |
| 03:47.07 | SimonRaven | Drakeson: start with dpkg -L <package name> | less; read any READMEs you see, look at where the files are installed, and work from there. they could have to you *that* much |
| 03:47.09 | encompass | I will have to say that fedora didn't give me near the support that you guys gave... I really appreciate it |
| 03:47.10 | stew | encompass: do that by editing the ##kopt line and running update-grub; man update-grub |
| 03:47.14 | sengir37 | Seb: The R10k has some wacky cache coherency issue that makes porting to it harder, apparently. |
| 03:47.35 | Seb | sengir37: i see |
| 03:47.37 | encompass | stew why? |
| 03:47.38 | sengir37 | Seb: Thanks, I'll check it out. I don't have any BSD-fu though. I guess it's as good a time to learn as any. |
| 03:47.50 | Seb | ok, off to dinner for real this time... |
| 03:47.51 | stew | encompass: so that future kernel's will inherit that option |
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| 03:47.59 | encompass | stew can't I just emacs in change it and get out |
| 03:48.02 | SimonRaven | Seb: bon apetit |
| 03:48.06 | amphi | encompass: if you do that, if you install another kernel package, grub will use that option for booting the new kernel |
| 03:48.08 | Seb | SimonRaven: merci vieux ;) |
| 03:48.14 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 03:48.18 | pingwin | somebody estimate boot time for a debian box... |
| 03:48.18 | Seb | heh |
| 03:48.26 | stew | encompass: do whatever you want, the next time you run update-grub or install a kernel, that file will be regenerated and you'll have to edit it each time |
| 03:48.38 | encompass | OHH |
| 03:48.40 | sengir37 | pingwin: Between 3 seconds and 1 week, depending on the box and the startup services. |
| 03:48.41 | stew | encompass: or you edit the kopt line once and never have to edit it again |
| 03:48.42 | encompass | thanks |
| 03:48.43 | Drakeson | servus: yes I can use the package right from their website. I am concerned to help some other people (even dumber than myself) who only rely on debian repos. |
| 03:48.56 | woodland | hi |
| 03:49.05 | pingwin | sengir37: im installing it on a computer im putting in my car, so i need to cut on boot time |
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| 03:49.19 | amphi | encompass: the comments in menu.lst are pretty explanatory |
| 03:49.20 | grendal_prime | i found it nevermind |
| 03:49.21 | pingwin | any tips of startup services i can cut? |
| 03:49.29 | sengir37 | pingwin: Anything you aren't using? |
| 03:49.29 | encompass | pingwin I would get hibernate working then |
| 03:49.39 | stew | Drakeson: if the README.Debian deosnt tell you how to set it up, file a wishlist bug against the documentation, /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 03:49.44 | sengir37 | pingwin: Start with a really basic install and don't add anythign you don't have a reason to add |
| 03:49.50 | Drakeson | SimonRaven: I may be dumb and you may be very experienced but actually your comment doesnt help much. |
| 03:49.56 | pingwin | thats pretty much what im doing |
| 03:49.57 | sengir37 | pingwin: You also may want to consider having the thing hibernate when you leave the car |
| 03:50.02 | SimonRaven | whatever |
| 03:50.03 | woodland | MSG dpkg hi |
| 03:50.07 | Drakeson | stew: yes the problem is exatly that it doesn't help |
| 03:50.14 | pingwin | sengir37: when it hibernates... what exactly happens? |
| 03:50.19 | servus | I wouldn't trust any sort of database to a repository system, Drakeson |
| 03:50.21 | stew | Drakeson: then file a bug, and for bonus points offer to help fix it |
| 03:50.23 | encompass | dpkg hi! |
| 03:50.24 | dpkg | hi |
| 03:50.27 | sengir37 | pingwin: It suspends to hard disk |
| 03:50.31 | pingwin | oh |
| 03:50.34 | woodland | dpkg hi |
| 03:50.34 | dpkg | hello, woodland |
| 03:50.36 | pingwin | i thought it suspended to ram :X |
| 03:50.42 | sengir37 | pingwin: That's suspend |
| 03:50.43 | encompass | dpkg ho! |
| 03:50.43 | dpkg | i guess ho is a derisive term for a promiscuous woman most often used in (american) english, or one of the many bits of african-american slang that white people have appropriated |
| 03:50.48 | pingwin | oh |
| 03:50.57 | pingwin | does it cut power completely? |
| 03:50.58 | woodland | dpkg, how do i see your automatic help |
| 03:51.06 | encompass | dpkg help |
| 03:51.14 | woodland | dpkg help |
| 03:51.16 | stew | encompass: /msg dpkg help |
| 03:51.28 | amphi | pingwin: swsusp does, yes |
| 03:51.28 | Drakeson | stew: there exists the README.debian which only says try http://<yourserver>/config/index.php, which doesn't exist in my case |
| 03:51.33 | sengir37 | pingwin: Not completely, but damn close |
| 03:51.48 | sengir37 | pingwin: Well, I shouldn't generalise. |
| 03:51.49 | encompass | I am outa here, thanks for your help guys! |
| 03:52.04 | SimonRaven | Drakeson: uh, yeh. try 'localhost' |
| 03:52.08 | sengir37 | pingwin: It *can* cut power completely |
| 03:52.19 | servus | Drakeson: update && locate index.php |
| 03:52.27 | pingwin | cause i cant have it running down my batt |
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| 03:52.40 | Drakeson | SimonRaven: kidding?!! |
| 03:52.43 | pingwin | it may hibernate for hours or maybe days |
| 03:52.52 | SimonRaven | daReaper: you'll know when i am |
| 03:52.53 | stew | Drakeson: if it doesn't tell you that you have to setup Alias's to /usr/share/mediawiki (or whever else it installed itself) which you certainly have to create, then by all means file bugs so that this will get corrected |
| 03:52.57 | SimonRaven | daReaper: sorry |
| 03:53.02 | SimonRaven | Drakeson: you'll know when i am |
| 03:53.15 | sengir37 | pingwin: Well, my laptop can stay on suspend for a couple of days from very low battery. |
| 03:53.22 | sengir37 | pingwin: Note suspend, not hibernate |
| 03:53.38 | pingwin | sengir37: whats the difference (other than suspend goes to ram and hibernate goes to HD)? |
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| 03:54.03 | sengir37 | pingwin: So you could do something like having an aux battery just for the computer, and when you turn off the car, the machine suspends and runs off it's own battery |
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| 03:54.22 | sengir37 | pingwin: I don't know all the details, but basically, RAM vs Hard drive is the important difference. |
| 03:54.23 | pingwin | sengir37: definitely trying to avoid that ;o) |
| 03:54.28 | stew | Drakeson: you will probably have to do something like add "Alias /wiki/ /usr/share/mediawiki/" restart apache, and then go to http://localhost/wiki/config/index.php |
| 03:54.34 | sengir37 | pingwin: Why? |
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| 03:54.57 | pingwin | sengir37: dont wanna buy a new batt OR figure out how to make it suck power when suspended |
| 03:55.07 | Drakeson | stew: thanks for your help. this was what I came here for, and after a lot of RTFM's couldn't find |
| 03:55.30 | pingwin | my car has a voltage cut-off though so the battery doesnt run dead |
| 03:55.37 | sengir37 | pingwin: Fair enough. I just figured if you were going to install a car PC, a small stanby battery would be a trivial addition. |
| 03:55.40 | stew | Drakeson: keep in mind i've never tried mediawiki, just guessing based on how other similar packages work |
| 03:55.58 | stew | Drakeson: and i'm in the process of trying to get the same problems fixed with another package (no install instructions) |
| 03:55.58 | datallah | greetings... i'm here for today's round of ignorance-solving. I'm unable to mount my CD at all (amd64 sid). All my HDDs are running off SATA, but the CD is (as you might expect) on IDE. |
| 03:56.00 | sengir37 | pingwin: Voltage cut-off? |
| 03:56.00 | pingwin | so i guess i can just try suspending or hibernating, and if i get in one day and the computer has gotten power cut, ill know why |
| 03:56.05 | SimonRaven | that's just basic apache config ;) |
| 03:56.12 | sengir37 | pingwin: Like if battery voltage drops below a point, power is cut off? |
| 03:56.16 | pingwin | sengir37: yup |
| 03:56.35 | sengir37 | pingwin: Cool, then there's no need for an aux battery |
| 03:56.40 | datallah | The CD drive appears as /dev/scd0, but trying to mount fails and I see "isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=sr0, iso_blknum=16, block=16" in the messages log |
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| 03:56.49 | sengir37 | pingwin: Just put the machine in a low power state, and use ext3. |
| 03:56.57 | pingwin | yeah i use ext3 :o) |
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| 03:57.01 | sengir37 | pingwin: If it gets powered off every once in a while, no biggie. |
| 03:57.11 | stew | datallah: are you on a 2.4 or 2.6 kenrel? |
| 03:57.16 | datallah | 2.6 |
| 03:57.35 | stew | datallah: you shouldn't be using ide_scsi with a 2.6 kenrel, remove that module and use ide_cd |
| 03:57.41 | pingwin | sengir37: so now how about some cooling tips? lol. im gonna have a computer and 2 stereo amplifiers in my truck, its gonna be toasty =) |
| 03:57.45 | pingwin | ;o) |
| 03:58.03 | sengir37 | pingwin: Use a low power CPU |
| 03:58.16 | sengir37 | pingwin: Pentium M or Via C3 or something. |
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| 03:58.33 | sengir37 | pingwin: Have you purchased hardware yet? |
| 03:58.48 | cheal | Drakeson: didn't mediawiki install propose you to do that? |
| 03:59.06 | Drakeson | nope |
| 03:59.31 | pingwin | sengir37: using an old computer i already had |
| 03:59.35 | pingwin | 900mhz amd |
| 03:59.38 | datallah | stew: how would it have gotten there in the first place? |
| 03:59.40 | cheal | Drakeson: I didn't mean it literally, but which server(s) did you choose? |
| 03:59.41 | sengir37 | pingwin: Ah |
| 03:59.57 | sengir37 | pingwin: That does sound like it'd get toasty. |
| 04:00.00 | pingwin | sengir37: biggest worry is ambient temp, and amplifier temps |
| 04:00.05 | Drakeson | which servers? what do you mean? |
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| 04:00.15 | stew | datallah: dunno, hotplug/discover might have loaded them, you might need to blacklist it /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 04:00.18 | pingwin | sengir37: on a hot, humid day, my single subwoofer amplifier will overload |
| 04:00.28 | Drakeson | let me try apt-get remove and apt-get install and tell you what I see |
| 04:00.33 | sengir37 | pingwin: That doesn't inspire confidence. |
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| 04:00.40 | pingwin | sengir37: you're telling me £åµghîñg Õµt £öµÐ |
| 04:01.13 | cheal | Drakeson: you don't need to do that. just dpkg-reconfigure mediawiki |
| 04:01.27 | pingwin | sengir37: of course, it has no cooling functions, not a single fan |
| 04:01.28 | sengir37 | pingwin: Water cooling or peltiers or something may be in order. This could get hairy fast. |
| 04:01.45 | sengir37 | pingwin: I mean, you might could stick a fan on the amp and be ok. |
| 04:02.04 | sengir37 | pingwin: But adding a 900MHz AMD box is gonna warm things up a bit. |
| 04:02.16 | Drakeson | cheal: cool! this time it asked the server (I chose apache 2) |
| 04:02.30 | sengir37 | pingwin: And cars are fairly hostile environments for cooling anyway. |
| 04:02.31 | pingwin | sengir37: eek |
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| 04:02.44 | sengir37 | pingwin: Is this stuff gonna be in teh trunk, or air-conditioned cab? |
| 04:02.48 | pingwin | trunk |
| 04:02.52 | sengir37 | pingwin: Ugh |
| 04:02.54 | pingwin | computer will be in spare tire compartment |
| 04:03.04 | cheal | Drakeson: that should be enough to allow you to follow the README.Debian |
| 04:03.06 | sengir37 | pingwin: Maybe duct some of the a/c back there for it? |
| 04:03.06 | xfoxx | how can i remove a pkg?? |
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| 04:03.13 | pingwin | a/c doesnt work £åµghîñg Õµt £öµÐ |
| 04:03.22 | cheal | Drakeson: are you sure it didn't ask you that when you installed? |
| 04:03.35 | datallah | stew: thanks. I need to reboot for this, right? |
| 04:03.36 | pingwin | sengir37: dont tell me, i know my priorities are staight =))) |
| 04:03.47 | sengir37 | pingwin: Or if you wanna go insane, pick up another a/c compressor, etc, from a junkyard and install a second air conditioning system to the vehical just for the electronics. |
| 04:03.55 | sengir37 | pingwin: That isn't for the faint of heart though. |
| 04:04.03 | pingwin | sengir37: im definitely the faint of heart |
| 04:04.17 | Drakeson | cheal: let me confess that I am using ubuntu. but it didn't ask it anyway. |
| 04:04.27 | sengir37 | pingwin: Well, yeah. Installing a second a/c system may be cart-before-the-horse if the first system doesn't work. |
| 04:04.27 | amphi | pingwin: that'd be a nice qotd ;) |
| 04:04.38 | Drakeson | ready for flame :( |
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| 04:04.58 | pingwin | amphi: what can i say, i always say the right things =) |
| 04:05.05 | amphi | !ubuntusmite Drakeson |
| 04:05.12 | pingwin | hold on, gotta see how far along my debian install is |
| 04:05.26 | amphi | Drakeson: ;) |
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| 04:05.40 | cheal | Drakeson: ah. that's your problem. this is a Debian support channel. I'd be willing to test the Debian mediawiki packages if you'd tell me the Debian packages have an issue, although I already tested them :) |
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| 04:07.03 | qbwdp | hey there guys |
| 04:07.15 | qbwdp | i want to install debian on a amd64 machines |
| 04:07.22 | qbwdp | i have the netinstall sarge cd |
| 04:07.33 | qbwdp | where wouldi tell it to install 64bit items? |
| 04:07.50 | debian_newbie88 | how to compile .c on debian? |
| 04:08.11 | Drakeson | cheal, anyway, thanks. I am not a ubuntu fan, and I understood two things here: 1) the #debian support is better 2) there are some issues with the deb packages ported to ubuntu |
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| 04:08.54 | pingwin | debian is definitely a step above the other nix distros ive used =p |
| 04:09.05 | qbwdp | even dos4.11? |
| 04:09.08 | DocTomoe | I am trying to get a postfix/mailman configuration to work under sarge. I am using the description at http://homex.subnet.at/~max/mail/mailman.php#install ... however, postfix refuses to run and writes the following into /var/log/mail.log : Oct 13 06:07:14 a15195763 postfix/master[4122]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 4227 exit status 1 . I do not understand this error message - help on this matter would be appreciated. |
| 04:09.36 | xfoxx | !confuse xfoxx |
| 04:09.37 | dpkg | Yes, who are my pants tomorrow, xfoxx? pants of the republic of tahiti with extra herring |
| 04:09.54 | datallah | stew: thanks a bunch, that did the trick |
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| 04:11.40 | xfoxx | qbwdp, eeh dude.... |
| 04:11.40 | cheal | debian_newbie88: $ gcc ? |
| 04:11.58 | jordo23 | what's the default debian path to httpd.conf? |
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| 04:12.13 | DocTomoe | jordo : how about /var/apache/httpd.conf? |
| 04:12.18 | jordo23 | thanks |
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| 04:12.27 | servus | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.39 | xfoxx | qbwdp, when you download the netinstall on the deb home page you tell what distro you want to download, =) |
| 04:12.55 | servus | Of course httpd.conf tends to be worthless on Debian, and you really want apache.conf, apache2.conf, and /etc/apache2?/site-enabled/* |
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| 04:13.14 | try_catch_this | I tried to install the debian netinstall cd but when i tried to run debian from the harddrive it stopped at "Starting MTD" or something anyidea what happened? |
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| 04:13.31 | try_catch_this | MTD coud be something else it began with an M though |
| 04:13.45 | qbwdp | xfoxx: ah ok |
| 04:14.20 | DocTomoe | try_catch_this: That is an extremly good error description ;) |
| 04:14.44 | amphi | try_catch_this: 'starting MTA'? |
| 04:14.44 | MrXerox | sudo apt-get build-dep libxine1 |
| 04:14.51 | try_catch_this | possibly |
| 04:14.53 | MrXerox | E: Build-dependencies for libxine1 could not be satisfied. |
| 04:15.06 | MrXerox | Any clues on how to fix this? |
| 04:15.10 | try_catch_this | it just froze there |
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| 04:15.25 | turing | hi all, weird problem with a bash script |
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| 04:15.34 | amphi | try_catch_this: it should time out after a while; or sometimes control-c can let it continue IIRC |
| 04:15.35 | try_catch_this | something similar happened with damn small linux and fedoracore |
| 04:15.36 | servus | turing: That's weird. |
| 04:15.40 | turing | I've put a single command in a shell script, which is being called by another shell script |
| 04:15.50 | try_catch_this | control-c didnt work |
| 04:15.58 | try_catch_this | only control-alt-delete |
| 04:16.02 | turing | executed directly, the 'single command script' works fine |
| 04:16.10 | xfoxx | is there another command beside alien to install package?? |
| 04:16.10 | turing | if I execute the master, the command fails |
| 04:16.28 | turing | er, apt-get? |
| 04:16.32 | turing | ;) |
| 04:16.33 | amphi | xfoxx: apt-get - why are you using alien at all? |
| 04:16.33 | debian_newbie88 | ok thanks |
| 04:16.42 | turing | any ideas? |
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| 04:16.54 | xfoxx | amphi, isnt apt-get to download and install package??, i already got package |
| 04:16.56 | turing | it's pretty annoying, since the script works on the command line, and when executed directly |
| 04:17.07 | xfoxx | amphi, i just wanna install it |
| 04:17.08 | turing | dpkg then |
| 04:17.09 | dpkg | Why not apt now!? |
| 04:17.26 | turing | I believe dpkg --install <deb> works fine |
| 04:17.34 | turing | or man dpkg if I'm wrong ;) |
| 04:17.35 | xfoxx | oh okey thankie sall |
| 04:17.37 | amphi | xfoxx: what is the paclage name? |
| 04:17.47 | xfoxx | ehh vmware blah blah |
| 04:17.54 | turing | oh, fun |
| 04:17.57 | turing | heh |
| 04:17.58 | grendal_prime | hey stew can you do me a flavor? |
| 04:18.08 | xfoxx | .tr.tz |
| 04:18.12 | turing | can anyone offer me any suggestions of where to look re: my problem? |
| 04:18.19 | amphi | xfoxx: pardon> |
| 04:18.25 | xfoxx | amphi, wmware.tar.tz |
| 04:18.32 | turing | oh |
| 04:18.38 | turing | that's not a debian package necessarily |
| 04:18.43 | turing | what's inside the tarball? |
| 04:18.44 | amphi | xfoxx: vmware.tar.gz shurely? |
| 04:18.49 | cheal | MrXerox: anything else in output? |
| 04:18.55 | amphi | turing: necessarily not ;) |
| 04:19.01 | xfoxx | amphi, yes that thingie XD lol sorry |
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| 04:19.15 | xfoxx | turing, eehhh iono some files |
| 04:19.15 | turing | amphi ;) |
| 04:19.16 | amphi | xfoxx: tar zxvf vmware.tar.gz to unpack it |
| 04:19.22 | kakaka | hi all |
| 04:19.30 | xfoxx | amphi, and to install it?? |
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| 04:19.45 | amphi | xfoxx: read its FM |
| 04:19.50 | MrXerox | cheal, not at all |
| 04:19.56 | xfoxx | amphi, oh oskey thank you |
| 04:20.03 | MrXerox | thats it...its been kicking my arse all day |
| 04:20.20 | amphi | xfoxx: there should be some sort of install guide in the directory it unpacks into |
| 04:20.32 | xfoxx | amphi, yep looking for it right now |
| 04:20.34 | amphi | xfoxx: OTOH, you could apt-get install qemu |
| 04:20.54 | xfoxx | amphi, hmmm lets see |
| 04:21.16 | amphi | xfoxx: apt-cache show qemu |
| 04:21.41 | grendal_prime | what usually uses port 1194 |
| 04:21.42 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 04:21.45 | xfoxx | amphi, lol you are giving me a full ammo of commands ;) |
| 04:21.54 | turing | grendal: look in /etc/services |
| 04:22.02 | turing | grep /etc/services 1194 |
| 04:22.20 | grendal_prime | ya its openvpn |
| 04:22.34 | grendal_prime | i forgot about that |
| 04:23.37 | grendal_prime | am i still online/ |
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| 04:24.30 | turing | all: any suggestions on why a bash script referenced by another bash script would fail |
| 04:24.39 | turing | when (if executed directly) - it works? |
| 04:25.08 | grendal_prime | what user is executing it? |
| 04:25.30 | turing | me |
| 04:25.32 | cheal | MrXerox: did you identify which build-deps are not satisfied? |
| 04:25.40 | grendal_prime | wait ..does it have anything to do with....authentication |
| 04:25.50 | turing | no |
| 04:25.53 | grendal_prime | cause that is something that bash just wont let you do |
| 04:26.18 | grendal_prime | its a werid bitch when it comes to that...its a good thing...but how its inforced ill never know |
| 04:26.43 | grendal_prime | does the user have a bash shell? |
| 04:26.51 | turing | I am the user, and yes ;) |
| 04:27.11 | turing | an example: |
| 04:27.16 | grendal_prime | thats stupid questioni...but well you know i mean i was trying to run a router an hour ago with no ipforwarding enabled |
| 04:27.17 | turing | ./imapSync.sh username@domain.com <-- works |
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| 04:27.39 | turing | #!/bin/bash imapSync.sh username@domain.com <-- does not |
| 04:27.55 | MrXerox | cheal, how do I do that? |
| 04:27.56 | qbwdp | i'm getting the ia64 then |
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| 04:28.16 | dondelelcaro | imapSync.sh has to be in your PATH, or you have to prefix it with /path/to/imapSync.sh |
| 04:28.21 | qbwdp | i hope debian ia64 has support for dtp_i2o |
| 04:28.27 | qbwdp | no other distro did |
| 04:28.28 | grendal_prime | mabe ya... |
| 04:28.28 | xfoxx | OMG, my DEB system is taking 501 MB of ram, WTF not even windows uses this much of ram how can i fix this??? |
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| 04:28.32 | grendal_prime | or include it |
| 04:28.35 | dondelelcaro | !free ram |
| 04:28.35 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 04:28.39 | dondelelcaro | xfoxx: ^^^ |
| 04:28.47 | grendal_prime | ya i think dondelelcaro hit it on the penis.. |
| 04:28.53 | grendal_prime | oops head... |
| 04:28.54 | amphi | xfoxx: oh, teh h0rr0r ;) |
| 04:28.55 | grendal_prime | sorry |
| 04:28.56 | cheal | MrXerox: manually, at worst |
| 04:29.08 | grendal_prime | wife is running around in her underware |
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| 04:29.15 | xfoxx | aahh dont joke (O_O) T_T!! |
| 04:29.23 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: we could care less... |
| 04:29.39 | MrXerox | cheal, what commands do I use to do that? Im a semi-n00b at this stuff... |
| 04:29.40 | grendal_prime | ya...thats cause you never seen my wife |
| 04:29.42 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 04:29.44 | amphi | xfoxx: top also displays this info |
| 04:29.49 | woodland | hi what is the command for unzipping tar file |
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| 04:29.57 | amphi | woodland: tar |
| 04:29.59 | grendal_prime | dondelelcaro, can you do me a flavor? |
| 04:29.59 | dondelelcaro | woodland: tar xf foo.tar |
| 04:30.14 | xfoxx | amphi, i dont understand what you are saying (O_O)!!! |
| 04:30.17 | woodland | tar xf <filename> ? |
| 04:30.54 | xfoxx | amphi, come on help me OMG 501 out of 504.3 MB used (O_O) holy cow!1 |
| 04:30.58 | cheal | MrXerox: apt-cache showsrc libxine1|grep Build-D |
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| 04:31.39 | grendal_prime | nevermind i figured a way to check it |
| 04:31.49 | dondelelcaro | xfoxx: type 'free'; and read the +/- buffers cache line. |
| 04:32.42 | turing | WTF? this script is driving me bonkers |
| 04:32.47 | turing | ./imapsync works |
| 04:32.54 | turing | ./imapsync in a shell script... dies |
| 04:33.01 | amphi | xfoxx: run top, and see how much is allcoated for 'buffers' and 'cached' |
| 04:33.01 | xfoxx | dondelelcaro, so the -/+ is the real memory usage?? |
| 04:33.18 | Dewi | what does /var/log/dmesg contain? |
| 04:33.20 | dondelelcaro | xfoxx: no, the +/- is the memory that can be trivially freed. Free memory is wated memory. |
| 04:33.30 | dondelelcaro | s/wated/wasted/ |
| 04:33.44 | [Cadet] | What is up with the double menu entries in sid |
| 04:33.50 | turing | hm, heh. Mem: total: 8019m |
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| 04:34.19 | xfoxx | it says 18636k buffers 3476772K cached, amphi |
| 04:34.28 | turing | any bash expert in here got a sec? |
| 04:34.31 | turing | free -m |
| 04:34.37 | turing | better than in k |
| 04:34.54 | xfoxx | dondelelcaro, how do i free this memory?? it scares me when it is this high |
| 04:35.21 | dondelelcaro | xfoxx: you don't. Free memory is wasted memory. The OS is smarter than you are about allocating memory. Much smarter. |
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| 04:35.25 | Dewi | xfoxx: debian doesn't swap stuff out of memory for no reason like other OSes |
| 04:35.40 | amphi | xfoxx: that is effectively free memory, except it's better than free |
| 04:35.45 | Dewi | xfoxx: "trivially freeable" is what can easily be obtained by new memory requests |
| 04:35.45 | qbwdp | the ia64 is for the amd64 proc? |
| 04:36.00 | dondelelcaro | qbwdp: no. |
| 04:36.08 | xfoxx | oh i see so it is using it for a productive actiion?? |
| 04:36.11 | turing | xfoxx: is your system fast? |
| 04:36.18 | xfoxx | well not really |
| 04:36.19 | dondelelcaro | qbwdp: amd64 is for the amd64; ia64 is for the itanium 64. |
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| 04:36.22 | Dewi | xfoxx: it keeps stuff around in case it is needed |
| 04:36.23 | turing | heh |
| 04:36.33 | xfoxx | turing, my system is very slow XP |
| 04:36.34 | amphi | xfoxx: yeah - when you load something large, it'll be given memory as it nees it |
| 04:36.38 | qbwdp | dondelelcaro: thats why it's not booting |
| 04:36.58 | dondelelcaro | qbwdp: yes, reading the install manual would help you greatly. |
| 04:37.03 | dondelelcaro | !tell qbwdp -about amd64 |
| 04:37.19 | xfoxx | !tell xfoxx -about amd64 |
| 04:37.31 | dondelelcaro | xfoxx: you can /msg the bot; ala /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 04:37.52 | xfoxx | ala /msg dpkg Ati |
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| 04:38.12 | amphi | xfoxx: without 'ala' ;) |
| 04:38.13 | xfoxx | XD |
| 04:38.28 | xfoxx | =3 dont get mad =P |
| 04:38.53 | amphi | !kill xfoxx |
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| 04:39.03 | xfoxx | my head omg |
| 04:39.10 | xfoxx | !confuse amphi |
| 04:39.11 | dpkg | No, those was their bacon yesterday, amphi? shirts of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 04:39.24 | xfoxx | (O_o) |
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| 04:39.46 | xfoxx | XD now i am confused |
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| 04:40.14 | xfoxx | what was the command again to install a tar.tg?? =P |
| 04:40.20 | dondelelcaro | xfoxx: man tar |
| 04:40.26 | amphi | oooh |
| 04:40.27 | amahbod | can someone tell me what the syntax is to split a file into multiple rar files using rar? |
| 04:40.44 | victor | alguien sabe como arrancar automaticamente en modo grafico si ejecutar el comando startx?? |
| 04:40.44 | amphi | xfoxx: tar zxvf foo.tar.gz |
| 04:40.49 | victor | alguien sabe como arrancar automaticamente en modo grafico si ejecutar el comando startx?? |
| 04:40.53 | amphi | victor: #debian-es |
| 04:40.59 | dondelelcaro | victor: and please don't repeat. |
| 04:41.09 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: blech. don't use rar; use split with tar. |
| 04:41.14 | Guerin | amphi: don't use rar. |
| 04:41.18 | Guerin | or use parchive |
| 04:41.20 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, i'm all up for that; syntax? |
| 04:41.28 | amphi | Guerin: I never use rar |
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| 04:41.29 | Guerin | which is actually designed for splitting files |
| 04:41.41 | Guerin | amphi: i blame my tab key |
| 04:41.50 | xfoxx | victor, bajate un logging aplication |
| 04:42.16 | xfoxx | victor, como xdm, o loggin.app |
| 04:42.19 | dondelelcaro | tar -zc foo bar baz|split - section1. |
| 04:42.37 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, do i have to use tar if it is just a single file? |
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| 04:42.39 | dondelelcaro | please, español in #debian-es |
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| 04:43.04 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: no, you can use whatever you want then. parchive may be better, as is just split. |
| 04:43.31 | Dasnipa` | whats the command to reconfigure my desktop resolutions? |
| 04:43.48 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, how can i reattach the files that were split? |
| 04:44.05 | pmiller9 | has anyone had problems with the recent debian/sid gcc and binutils? my pthread applications won't terminate anymore -- all threads terminate and it'll get to the last line in main, but it won't exit. I have to kill -9 it..... any ideas or ways to debug this problem??? |
| 04:44.14 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: cat section1.* > assembled file; |
| 04:44.30 | amahbod | ah |
| 04:44.33 | dondelelcaro | pmiller9: if they have, there will be bugs filed. |
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| 04:45.02 | xfoxx | amphi, i cannot find an installation doc, what was the command wheni extracted the pkg to install the pkg? |
| 04:45.07 | jordo23 | How do you restart apache in debian? |
| 04:45.14 | dondelelcaro | jordo23: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 04:45.29 | cheal | !drxx Dasnipa` |
| 04:45.30 | dpkg | Dasnipa`: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 04:45.36 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 04:46.22 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: np; the primary issue with split is that it doesn't keep track of the md5sum (or anything else of the files... however, normally this isn't a big deal unless your media sucks.) |
| 04:46.36 | Dasnipa` | ahh yes, ty |
| 04:46.58 | amphi | xfoxx: ? |
| 04:46.59 | dondelelcaro | the advantage of split is that it is insanely simple; when you use it with a bunch of files and tar, you can trivially restore parts of your tar archive. |
| 04:47.01 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, if i transfer the files over a network, it should be ok right? |
| 04:47.06 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: in theory, yes. |
| 04:47.11 | amahbod | i can just reassemble the file and then check the md5 of the orig files against eachother? |
| 04:47.13 | xfoxx | amphi, just extrated the file now what was th ecommand to install |
| 04:47.18 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: right |
| 04:47.26 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, cool, i hope it works :) |
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| 04:47.58 | amphi | xfoxx: I have no idea - this is still vmware with which you struggle? |
| 04:48.07 | xfoxx | amphi, yepso |
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| 04:49.03 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: md5sum section.1* > md5_list; md5sum --check md5_list; may also be useful |
| 04:49.05 | amphi | xfoxx: I have no idea, I'm afraid - you must read the docs |
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| 04:49.21 | xfoxx | amphi, oh well =) |
| 04:49.28 | amphi | xfoxx: I would imagine it has some sort of install script |
| 04:49.40 | pyarra | greetings all, anyone here tried netinst with a Sun QFE (sunhme) network adapter? |
| 04:49.46 | xfoxx | amphi, well not really.... |
| 04:50.10 | pyarra | seems to be that netinst doesn't include sunhme driver? |
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| 04:50.23 | amphi | xfoxx: perhaps there is #vmware ? |
| 04:50.42 | amphi | xfoxx: otherwise you can try qemu... which is free |
| 04:50.51 | xfoxx | yes it is but no one is talking |
| 04:50.53 | shimano55 | Question, What's a good Music CD burner for Debian (Preferably GUI) |
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| 04:51.12 | pyarra | this may sound a kind of newbie question, but how do I get the sunhme driver loaded during installation? |
| 04:51.23 | amphi | xfoxx: that's because you haven't paid |
| 04:51.27 | woodland | i just downloaded tar.gz file for login manager. i also use tar command to unzip it, how do i make it login manager now |
| 04:51.31 | pyarra | BTW this is i386 |
| 04:52.15 | xfoxx | amphi, yes i did i am chan chan chan!!! ´big music sounds´, Registered User!!! |
| 04:52.32 | woodland | is there channel for gnome |
| 04:52.41 | turing | #gnome maybe? |
| 04:52.44 | xfoxx | gnome =P channel |
| 04:52.45 | xfoxx | lol |
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| 04:53.15 | woodland | can anybody answer my question |
| 04:53.39 | amphi | woodland: #gnome |
| 04:53.44 | woodland | ok |
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| 04:54.02 | Guerin | !test |
| 04:54.02 | dpkg | Yes, guerin, you're still online. |
| 04:54.07 | Guerin | winnah! |
| 04:54.19 | pyarra | anyone got a suggestion as to how I can get netinst to see my Sun QFE? |
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| 04:54.45 | grendal_prime | i might...if i even knew what asun qfe was |
| 04:54.59 | Guerin | ok, so if I suspect my p4 has HypeThreading, how do I find out for sure, and how do I utilise it? installing and booting a -smp kernel still shows only one cpu |
| 04:55.07 | pyarra | OK, it's a network card (PCI) which is basically 4 Sun HMEs on one card |
| 04:55.25 | pyarra | QFE == quad fast ethernet |
| 04:55.31 | Guerin | !#gnome |
| 04:55.31 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 04:55.51 | [Cadet] | Guerin: Enable it in the BIOS |
| 04:55.56 | Guerin | [Cadet]: ah. |
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| 04:56.05 | pyarra | mandrake sees it fine, but it looks like the netinst image doesn't include sunhme driver |
| 04:56.06 | grendal_prime | pyarra, did you check to see if its even something supported? |
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| 04:56.23 | grendal_prime | ahhh the old mandrake problem |
| 04:56.26 | Guerin | [Cadet]: if there's no bios trigger for it, I guess that answers my question. |
| 04:56.28 | pyarra | grendal - yep, works fine in Mandrake |
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| 04:56.41 | pyarra | no, Mandrake has no problem with it |
| 04:56.45 | [Cadet] | Guerin: ya probably |
| 04:56.49 | pyarra | the driver's been around for yonks |
| 04:56.55 | grendal_prime | thats the thing about mandrak everything works fine in mandrake...because everything is included in mandrake |
| 04:57.10 | sengir37 | pyarra: Drop to a console during the install and modprobe it? |
| 04:57.19 | grendal_prime | you can sneeze green bugers at mandrake and it will find something to do with it |
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| 04:57.30 | pyarra | sengir: cannot select it from list as it is not in the list to select from |
| 04:57.50 | pyarra | grendal: ok, I see where you're heading, but for a netinst image, I kinda hapoed it might be included |
| 04:58.00 | sengir37 | pyarra: At no point did I use the phrase "select it from the list" |
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| 04:58.28 | pyarra | sengir: OK, so you think the driver is included, but not available to slect in the installation process? |
| 04:58.54 | sengir37 | pyarra: I don't know, but if you drop to a console and try to modprobe it you'll be a step closer to finding out |
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| 04:59.18 | grendal_prime | we were to assume....there should be a list...when the word "mandrake" is used..there is supposed to be the assumption that there is missing some sort of dropdownselection, clickable dodad or list clicky thing |
| 05:00.00 | sengir37 | grendal_prime: I get the distinct impression that you are not fond of mandrake or the flashy doodads contained therein. |
| 05:00.12 | pyarra | Uhh, guys, can we drop the partisan sniping at other distros? I mentioned mandrake to demonstrate that the hardware has a driver. |
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| 05:00.35 | grendal_prime | there was a time when i would have used it..i think pyarra is at that time now |
| 05:00.37 | sengir37 | pyarra: Hey, I answered your question, *then* started bitching |
| 05:00.49 | pyarra | all I want to know is: when the installer asks for additional driver disks: where do I get them, and how can I check if one of them includes sunhme driver? |
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| 05:01.01 | grendal_prime | pyarra, you may be looking at compiling a few things.. |
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| 05:01.09 | sengir37 | pyarra: Well, first you might want to make sure that you don't have the module already |
| 05:01.13 | grendal_prime | is where all this is going..did ya google for it? |
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| 05:01.48 | sengir37 | pyarra: If you have a working system with the same kernel version as the netinst, you could try to copy the module over. |
| 05:01.57 | pyarra | grendal: yes I googled for it, and you can keep your opinions about my level of experience to yourself if that's ok |
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| 05:02.16 | sengir37 | pyarra: also, you could try a different kernel from the netinst. DO they do 2.6 by default these days? If not, start it with linux26 and see if that helps. |
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| 05:02.58 | pyarra | sengir: ta, I'll check if netinst offers an alternate boot method. AFAIk the sunhme driver has been in kernel since 2.4 at least |
| 05:03.09 | sengir37 | pyarra: Yes, it has |
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| 05:03.31 | sengir37 | pyarra: But if the folks who made the 2.4 image just happened to forget it that day, it may still be in the 2.6 |
| 05:03.45 | pyarra | sengir: gotcha |
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| 05:03.59 | sengir37 | pyarra: But I still say step 1 is to try modprobing it from a console. |
| 05:04.11 | pyarra | OK, so there's aconsole on another vty? |
| 05:04.15 | sengir37 | pyarra: This is a lot of wasted effort if it turns out you had the module all along and just hadn't put it in. |
| 05:04.24 | sengir37 | pyarra: Yeah, there should be |
| 05:04.37 | grendal_prime | 5 more ususaly |
| 05:04.39 | sengir37 | pyarra: If not, the menu should have an entry like "execute a shell" or similar |
| 05:04.40 | pyarra | ok, lessee now |
| 05:05.02 | grendal_prime | shift crtl and the f2 button will normally do it |
| 05:05.33 | Guerin | nope, no hype |
| 05:05.35 | Guerin | oh well |
| 05:05.48 | grendal_prime | unless im missing something serious here |
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| 05:06.14 | grendal_prime | jesus my chest is killing me... |
| 05:06.29 | pyarra | sengir: modprobe gives me no love, there's no sunhme.o, which is what I suspected |
| 05:06.37 | grendal_prime | i called my parrents they are brining me some therraflu |
| 05:06.47 | sengir37 | pyarra: ls /lib/modules ? |
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| 05:07.05 | grendal_prime | hehehe gives me no love... |
| 05:07.10 | grendal_prime | thats great |
| 05:07.16 | Amarande | *sigh* |
| 05:07.27 | Amarande | it's a dark day in the computer world when people start saying the open source movement is likely to fail |
| 05:07.29 | pyarra | sengir: you know I'm talking about the actual installer? |
| 05:07.30 | xfoxx | how can i decompress -zip files in linux? |
| 05:07.40 | amphi | xfoxx: unzip |
| 05:07.41 | Amarande | and moreover, start saying that the failure of the open source movement may actually be a Good Thing in the end :/ |
| 05:07.41 | grendal_prime | there smoking crack |
| 05:07.42 | sengir37 | pyarra: Yes |
| 05:07.43 | pyarra | there's not a lot in /lib/modules |
| 05:07.46 | grendal_prime | sorry their |
| 05:07.58 | Amarande | this guy on /. (and he got a 5 for this post, by the way) |
| 05:08.15 | sengir37 | pyarra: Yeah, but seeing what tehre is may be enlightening |
| 05:08.20 | Amarande | says that if open source succeeds, it will pretty much be ruin because nobody will be able to make money off of making software |
| 05:08.29 | xiao | when login, i got such message configuration error - unknown item 'QUOTAS_ENAB' (notify administrator) configuration error - unknown item 'NOLOGIN_STR' (notify administrator) configuration error - unknown item 'ENV_HZ' (notify administrator) configuration error - unknown item 'CHFN_AUTH' (notify administrator) configuration error - unknown item 'CLOSE_SESSIONS' (notify administrator) |
| 05:08.33 | grendal_prime | ya...you know what i think...about that...open source so puts the power back in our hands.. |
| 05:08.44 | pyarra | sengir: what is there is exactly what's in the list that the installer presents |
| 05:08.48 | grendal_prime | the hands of the individuals.. |
| 05:08.50 | Amarande | of course, I have to wonder if my favorance for free distribution and such of creative works (software included) is why I'm single ... heh |
| 05:08.53 | kelan | i think most people making good money on software are doing it writing inhouse stuff anyway |
| 05:08.55 | pyarra | to my total non-surprise |
| 05:09.01 | Amarande | like, maybe if I was greedier, I'd be more stable and perhaps married by now |
| 05:09.04 | sengir37 | pyarra: Yeah, ok. Just checking |
| 05:09.19 | grendal_prime | kelan, i am i know that much |
| 05:09.25 | kelan | me too |
| 05:09.29 | pyarra | yeah, I figured where you're heading. I thin kthe issue is simply that this installer doesn't include it |
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| 05:09.44 | Amarande | http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=164517&cid=13734323 |
| 05:09.45 | grendal_prime | im still trying to find someone around here to fill in for the second job i had to leave 7 months ago when the kids got here |
| 05:09.46 | sengir37 | pyarra: It's just surprising to me is all. Like you said, HME has been around for *a* *while* |
| 05:09.47 | Amarande | that's the guy's post |
| 05:09.53 | Amarande | I would have probably marked it as Troll ... heh |
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| 05:10.13 | kelan | or the other area is software that would be too much of a pain to do for free. like tax software. i did that for a couple years, and there's no way anyone would do it for free |
| 05:10.19 | kelan | too much work and boring as hell |
| 05:10.28 | sengir37 | pyarra: Ok, did you see if there is another kernel available? |
| 05:10.32 | pyarra | sengir: yup, surprised me too... Too much hard work, I think I'll just grab the whole kit'n'kaboodle CD images |
| 05:10.42 | jair | hello guys the root directory where debian place mysql php and apache are /usr/... or /etc/? |
| 05:10.44 | Amarande | though, I do have to wonder if the fact that making free software won't finance a family might mean |
| 05:10.44 | pyarra | no other kernel mentioned to boot to |
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| 05:10.56 | sengir37 | pyarra: I know that the older installers booted 2.4 by default, and you could give it 'linux26' at the prompt to boot 2.6 |
| 05:10.56 | Amarande | that if open source succeeds, we might just further enhance the exponentiation of mediocrity :/ |
| 05:11.08 | sengir37 | pyarra: Well, it may not be mentioned exactly. |
| 05:11.12 | pyarra | I checked the options on boot, only options mentioned are standard kernel params |
| 05:11.21 | sengir37 | It's just that at the 'boot: ' prompt you could type 'linux26' |
| 05:11.40 | sengir37 | pyarra: What does uname -r give you on a console suring the install? |
| 05:11.45 | kelan | jair: /etc is for configuration stuff, generally |
| 05:11.52 | grendal_prime | kelan, the simple fact of the matter is, people will buy what is cheepest and does the job well. i mean hell you cant blaim them |
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| 05:12.02 | pyarra | sengir: it's a 2.4.x kernel (can't recall exact number) |
| 05:12.02 | sengir37 | pyarra: It may be 2.6 by default these days, I don't know. I haven't done an install in a while. |
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| 05:12.12 | sengir37 | pyarra: Ok |
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| 05:12.19 | Amarande | 'Exponentiation of mediocrity' - My term. Refers to the general tendency that the less intelligent people are, the more children they have on average, and vice versa. Since intelligence is genetic, this means that low intelligence propagates. |
| 05:12.24 | sengir37 | pyarra: Then you should be able to boot with 'linux26' |
| 05:12.44 | amphi | Amarande: "you'll realize that Microsoft is good" is a bit of a giveaway |
| 05:13.09 | grendal_prime | but nowdays...what i keep running into is people that will hire anyone who can show sample work...wayyy to many people droped out of this field. |
| 05:13.10 | amphi | Amarande: after the unseemly display over Mass. opendocument... |
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| 05:13.15 | sengir37 | pyarra: I dunno if that'll help exactly, but hopefully somebody just slipped and left out the QFE module for the 2.4 kernel, but left it in the 2.6/ |
| 05:13.21 | sengir37 | pyarra: Worth a shot anyway |
| 05:13.27 | pyarra | sengir: I'll try linux26, but it's all starting to look a bit annoying |
| 05:13.34 | grendal_prime | there is a huge hole in the employment field especially when it comes to Database |
| 05:13.48 | jair | kelan, right but if we talk about the root directory of mysql php apache etc.. |
| 05:14.02 | amphi | Amarande: it would seem to be based on the old lie that 'shrinkwrap' sw is the majority of sw in use |
| 05:14.03 | grendal_prime | demand doubles each year |
| 05:14.05 | pyarra | sengir: yup, that looks better, lessee about the sunhme... |
| 05:14.11 | jair | kelan, like I know that mozilla-firefox is installed in the /usr/lib ... |
| 05:14.38 | sengir37 | pyarra: As an aside, are you sure you have the name of the module right? |
| 05:14.49 | pyarra | sengir: yup |
| 05:14.56 | sengir37 | pyarra: Ok |
| 05:15.14 | kelan | jair: you mean the actual executables? those are probably in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin |
| 05:15.15 | sengir37 | pyarra: So, does the 2.6 kernel seem to have the driver? |
| 05:15.33 | pyarra | I used this QFE with mandrake previously, no issues. In fact, a rather nice piece of kit. 2.6 - installer seems to have borked actually |
| 05:15.37 | amphi | Amarande: I think your correlation is wrong - the poorer people are, the more children they have, in my experience |
| 05:15.47 | sengir37 | pyarra: Awesome. |
| 05:16.18 | pyarra | yeah, loving this debain installer... oh no, here we go, it was just having a sit down |
| 05:16.27 | sengir37 | pyarra: Hah |
| 05:16.37 | sengir37 | pyarra: Yeah, I actually miss the old installer. |
| 05:16.49 | kelan | pyarra: for what its worth, my stock debian kernel installed a sunhme.ko |
| 05:17.00 | kelan | /lib/modules/2.6.11-1-k7/kernel/drivers/net/sunhme.ko |
| 05:17.02 | sengir37 | pyarra: It was less user-friendly, I guess. But when there was a problem, it gave you meaningful error messages, and you could actually get shit fixed. |
| 05:17.22 | pyarra | kelan: yeah, trying netinst, no sunhme included |
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| 05:17.42 | pyarra | sengir: aaargh, almost same list as 2.4, no sunhme |
| 05:17.56 | sengir37 | pyarra: Wacky, and full of suck |
| 05:18.09 | Azar | can this new sarge installer do a basic installation, without X , gnome, kde stuff? just plain base install? |
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| 05:18.15 | pyarra | alright, well thanks all, guess I'll grab the farken huge CD images |
| 05:18.18 | sengir37 | pyarra: I suspect at this point the easiest way is to just get disc 1 of the full debian set |
| 05:18.23 | amphi | Azar: yes |
| 05:18.26 | pyarra | sengir: snamp! |
| 05:18.32 | pyarra | erm, snap, Imean |
| 05:18.36 | pyarra | damn kybard |
| 05:18.36 | sengir37 | pyarra: Sorry I couldn't help more. |
| 05:18.42 | amphi | Azar: that's all I did, and apt-got whatever else I wanted |
| 05:18.45 | Amarande | amphi: i don't know if it's really poorness, or low intelligence |
| 05:18.45 | pyarra | nah, I appreciate it sengir, many thanks |
| 05:18.58 | pyarra | see y'all |
| 05:19.01 | Azar | I was curious because of sengir37's comments |
| 05:19.03 | Amarande | it seems to me that the higher people's intelligence, the more trouble they have finding mates, for starters |
| 05:19.14 | sengir37 | Azar: eh? |
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| 05:19.27 | sengir37 | Azar: I wasn't following the conv, but heard my name. What's up? |
| 05:19.30 | Amarande | add on top of this the prices of intellectualism, such as believing in things that won't support children |
| 05:19.38 | Azar | sengir37 you were making some comments about old versus new installer |
| 05:19.47 | Amarande | and meanwhile, you have the lower-int types who have nothing better to do than breed like rabbits |
| 05:19.59 | sengir37 | Azar: Oh, yeah. I just meant the installer itself. Not the stuff it installed. |
| 05:20.09 | Azar | Amarande, did Debian caused you some problems? |
| 05:20.36 | Amarande | wow, i just noticed you can get a 27x bonus in Scrabble from 'intellectualism' |
| 05:20.36 | amphi | Amarande: from what I've seen, poverty seems to be the main factor, but I may be wrong |
| 05:20.36 | Amarande | Azar: Nah, I'm reading these posts on /. about how a company abandoned the GPL |
| 05:20.38 | Amarande | and these people who are starting to think that faith in open source is misplaced |
| 05:20.45 | Amarande | based on the idea 'open source won't feed the kids' |
| 05:21.02 | sengir37 | Azar: In my experience when something goes wrong with the installer it's a lot harder to fix in the new one. |
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| 05:21.14 | asuffield | Amarande: how exactly were you planning on getting all those letters and putting them down? :P |
| 05:21.20 | sengir37 | Azar: Like a strange boot method, or a driver issue, or whatever. |
| 05:21.51 | Azar | sengir37 I was just curious I never used an installer other than the old woody way of installing |
| 05:22.08 | Amarande | asuffield: it's possible, I think |
| 05:22.14 | Amarande | 'TELL' and 'IS' have to be on the board in the right places |
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| 05:22.27 | Amarande | then the 'C' and either the U or A have to be there, too |
| 05:22.33 | Amarande | and the rest of the letters have to be on your rack |
| 05:22.39 | asuffield | Amarande: and you need to control three 'l's and half the vowels |
| 05:22.51 | Amarande | only one L, actually |
| 05:23.09 | grendal_prime | Amarande, opensource feeds my kids... |
| 05:23.13 | Amarande | because in order to be playing this, at least eight of the letters must be on the board already |
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| 05:23.13 | grendal_prime | pays for the airplane too |
| 05:23.17 | Amarande | the only reasonable way for this to be, is that two L's have to be there already |
| 05:23.20 | Azar | sengir37, just if you maybe did not know, my friend was using the netinstall and the 2.6 kernel option failed to see his ethernet driver, there is a bug I have no idea if it was fixed by now. via-rhine is not recognized |
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| 05:23.23 | grendal_prime | and the flight instruction |
| 05:23.27 | asuffield | there's enough letters in the set, barely, but it's kinda like basing your poker strategy on getting a straight flush |
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| 05:24.08 | grendal_prime | wich now is running me about 130 an hour |
| 05:24.11 | Amarande | Then you have, well, I haven't seen such posters on /. yet |
| 05:24.13 | sengir37 | Azar: Awesome. I love stuff like that. |
| 05:24.22 | shocker | how can i install php 5 ? |
| 05:24.33 | Amarande | but I've seen people who think that open source applications software is not only a poor business idea, but should be actively squelched |
| 05:24.44 | Azar | Amarande, I am not a fan of the /., it sometimes pulls my leg |
| 05:25.03 | grendal_prime | cause it fucks with the way they know how to do things mostly |
| 05:25.03 | Amarande | the idea being that a free program will start dragging the money making ability of companies (that feed traditional families and kids) down |
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| 05:25.13 | Amarande | heh, like that seating diagram on that simpsons episode |
| 05:25.18 | Amarande | where they had the pit that formed around Bart |
| 05:25.39 | Azar | but, I think I seen here a #politics channel where rants are more than welcome |
| 05:26.07 | myren | I run a dsl gateway doing SNAT, how do i disable one of my intranet IP's from nat? |
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| 05:26.29 | bluekeys | yay |
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| 05:26.40 | sengir37 | myren: Why would you do that? |
| 05:26.42 | grendal_prime | myren iptables rule would work.. |
| 05:26.59 | grendal_prime | they are looking at porn usually |
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| 05:28.04 | sengir37 | myren: You could also do it from DHCP. Give that machine an IP, but not a gw address. |
| 05:28.13 | grendal_prime | myren, but you know...basically if its a windows box..and an old one..they can just change the ip |
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| 05:28.42 | grendal_prime | you need to kill it from the mac if ya can |
| 05:28.53 | grendal_prime | not too many people are skilled enough to get around that |
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| 05:29.10 | Eclipser | hmpf |
| 05:29.27 | Eclipser | anyone can get around it with some thinking/reading |
| 05:29.45 | grendal_prime | I know but Eclipser most enduers dont like to do ither |
| 05:29.53 | grendal_prime | endusers that is |
| 05:29.58 | Dimi128 | Ive been all over the net, reading forums etc all day, Ive tried the 3 different irc servers and there channels for ubuntu, and everyone seems to eather be to busy with asking about the new release or afk to notice im there. And was woundering if anyone in here would be willing to listen to my screwups and at least point me in some direction. I know Deb is not really ubuntu. |
| 05:29.58 | sengir37 | myren: What exactly is the issue you are trying to solve? |
| 05:30.19 | zog-vsl | is there an irc channel for debian-installer? |
| 05:30.44 | sengir37 | Dimi128: Unknown. Is your problem ubuntu-specific? If so, you wont get much help here. |
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| 05:31.03 | Azar | zog-vsl, not sure but if you google it you will get lots of info and howtos |
| 05:31.10 | grendal_prime | myren, the best way is to do encryption key authentication... |
| 05:31.11 | ozzloy | Dimi128, just state the problem. what you want to do, why you can't |
| 05:31.14 | wickedpuppy | Dimi128, ... ask ? i hear your frustration but not your problem |
| 05:31.36 | Dimi128 | well atm the problem is with apt, im getting 503 Connect failed regardless of what i put in souces.list |
| 05:31.43 | zog-vsl | Azar: you dont think I have already done that? |
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| 05:31.50 | grendal_prime | then you just...shitcan anything that does not authenticate and your done..but it means generating keys and distributing thing which can be a headack |
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| 05:32.06 | sengir37 | Dimi128: Is networking configured and operational? |
| 05:32.13 | Azar | zog-vsl, if I would have known about installer I would not have said that. I never used it |
| 05:32.27 | Dimi128 | Yes and that may also be another thing, ok this is kind of long... |
| 05:32.42 | Dimi128 | I wanted to install tor and the version in synaptic was quite old. |
| 05:32.42 | Dimi128 | So i searched the forums and found a reposatory to add that aparently had a newer version " deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted " |
| 05:32.55 | Azar | Dimi128, it seems you do not have a working connection, you will have to learn to setup your network configuration |
| 05:33.11 | grendal_prime | hey out of curriosity is there any major downside to nfs-user-server ?? |
| 05:33.17 | Amarande | I see MIT -still- uses all caps for their DNS :> |
| 05:33.33 | Dimi128 | if i didnt, I wouldnt be connected to irc, or be able to search for answers on the net.... |
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| 05:34.05 | sengir37 | Dimi128: Ok, so you are currently using the machine that you are having apt problems with? |
| 05:34.09 | Bac9 | how is it possible to see the bug that caused the removal of package from archive? |
| 05:34.09 | Azar | Dimi128, my bad, right are you using a dual boot? windows/debian? |
| 05:34.12 | wickedpuppy | Dimi128, could we see your sources.list ?? surely you pasted on somewhere |
| 05:34.12 | grendal_prime | everything i read says its easyer to deal with..but...umm well is the performance drop that drastic i would need to work about it for say 50 users? |
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| 05:34.38 | Dimi128 | no dual boot, just linux, and yes just a sec ill get the list |
| 05:34.42 | sengir37 | Dimi128: Don't paste in-channel, please. Use #flood |
| 05:34.47 | Dimi128 | ok |
| 05:34.55 | Azar | Dimi128, are you now using windows to get here via irc? |
| 05:35.01 | Azar | ah |
| 05:35.02 | Azar | ok |
| 05:35.16 | wickedpuppy | no no he sure pasted on paste.ubuntu.nl |
| 05:35.26 | wickedpuppy | thats the standard |
| 05:35.44 | sengir37 | wickedpuppy: What? |
| 05:35.50 | wickedpuppy | ubuntulinux.nl i mean ... |
| 05:35.55 | Dimi128 | #flood |
| 05:36.04 | Dimi128 | err. ok sorry, how do I use that? |
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| 05:36.18 | sengir37 | Dimi128: /join #flood. It's another channel |
| 05:36.19 | amphi | Dimi128: /j #flood and paste away |
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| 05:36.32 | wickedpuppy | oh nvm ... i thought they asked you to paste it on paste.ubuntulinux.nl |
| 05:36.41 | wickedpuppy | seeing you did ask there |
| 05:37.09 | Dimi128 | cool ill put my whole explanation of the problem there to :-) |
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| 05:38.16 | wickedpuppy | Dimi128, there is no backport now ... did you read the topic on #ubuntu ? |
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| 05:38.55 | gozz | is their someone here that uses AVview and could help me? |
| 05:39.24 | sengir37 | !anyone |
| 05:39.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 05:39.33 | Dimi128 | Wow aparently i dindt read the whole thing |
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| 05:39.59 | wickedpuppy | backport been down for sometimes now ... or up and down ... lol |
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| 05:41.12 | Dimi128 | lol crap and now im stuck with the random unknown updates i foolishly did, and cant install the drivers from nvidia.com because they say theres a bunch of stuff wrong with my system, and the ones from the cd just suck.. sigh, well thank you anyway |
| 05:41.33 | sengir37 | Dimi128: Such is the danger of mixing sources |
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| 05:41.59 | gozz | when i start it it says you have not run avview before please go through all settings and adjust them as appropriate so i click ok and it just closes could somone tell me what settings because it closes the settings window? |
| 05:42.42 | Dimi128 | gozz: did you run it from a Terminal? |
| 05:42.51 | gozz | yes |
| 05:42.59 | wickedpuppy | Dimi128, pls don't randomly add sources.list ... in fact backport is discouraged ... |
| 05:43.06 | Dimi128 | what does it say? |
| 05:43.07 | jair | kelan, right so they are there /usr/bin |
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| 05:43.36 | Dimi128 | wickedpuppy: yes i know tha now, ty, I think i should just learn to compile things and stop relying on apt for everything |
| 05:44.03 | amphi | Dimi128: you should love apt |
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| 05:44.48 | Dimi128 | Oh I do, but i rely on it to much, When theres a program that I want for example gaim I will use whatever old version is available on apt instead of getting the new one |
| 05:45.10 | sengir37 | Guh |
| 05:45.22 | sengir37 | This is the part where I rant about new GAIM and the shitty UI. |
| 05:45.32 | armbothism | How can i automate package selection for a debian install? I have a few servers i need to install and i want them to have the same basic set of packages. |
| 05:45.48 | xfoxx | omg i just installed a progam and tried to reinstall but i am getting a no ending mesage if i wanna replace a file and it does for every file of the progam isnt ther a way to say yes to all? |
| 05:45.52 | gozz | there isnt an error if thats what you need to know |
| 05:46.11 | sengir37 | xfoxx: Yes, usually this is -y from teh command line |
| 05:46.11 | jair | what version or package of mysql I should install mysql-client or mysql-client-4.1? |
| 05:46.32 | sengir37 | xfoxx: Like apt-get install -y <package> |
| 05:46.41 | xfoxx | The answer "-y" is invalid. It must be one of "y" or "n" |
| 05:46.51 | Dimi128 | yea gozz thats what I was looking for, Ive only been using linux for about 4 months now, but sometimes I can figure things like that out. |
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| 05:47.06 | sengir37 | xfoxx: No, don't answer -y to the question |
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| 05:47.10 | gozz | when i close the window their is an error |
| 05:47.13 | sengir37 | xfoxx: Runt eh command line with -y |
| 05:47.53 | gozz | X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) |
| 05:47.53 | gozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.04 | gozz | Minor opcode of failed request: 14 () |
| 05:48.05 | gozz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:49.07 | xfoxx | does not seem to work |
| 05:49.25 | sengir37 | xfoxx: It's in man apt-get |
| 05:49.38 | zebalin2 | Can I change BIOS from 'legacy' to 'sata' without damage to HD or MBR? Will Deb still boot? |
| 05:49.45 | sengir37 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.18 | xfoxx | look i am using this command to install so where do you put the -y ??? ./vmware-install.pl |
| 05:50.31 | tga | my snd_ali5451 soundcard uses Headphone instead of Master Volume.. can I do anything to ALSA to change that? |
| 05:50.43 | sengir37 | xfoxx: Oh, see that's different |
| 05:50.53 | sengir37 | xfoxx: Then it's dependant on the script. |
| 05:51.02 | xfoxx | so i will have to put |
| 05:51.05 | Azar | tga, did you tried running alsamixer? |
| 05:51.08 | sengir37 | xfoxx: The author of the script may not have made provisions for a force-yes option |
| 05:51.08 | xfoxx | 11,686 yes!! T_T |
| 05:51.25 | gozz | Dimi128 do you know what i need to do? |
| 05:51.27 | sengir37 | xfoxx: Use the drinking bird algorithm. |
| 05:51.42 | xfoxx | and that is?? |
| 05:51.48 | tga | Azar, I can use the Headphone channel as Master Volume but all the, say, Gnome apps insist on using Master Volume |
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| 05:52.06 | sengir37 | xfoxx: Umm, get a drinking bird toy and set it up to push the 'y' key over and over? |
| 05:52.11 | amphi | tga: alsa lets you swap them |
| 05:52.14 | Azar | tga, I see I have no idea about Gnome, sorry |
| 05:52.25 | xfoxx | sengir37, lol we dont got that thing in my country |
| 05:52.34 | tga | amphi, that's just what I want.. any idea how I can do that? |
| 05:52.39 | sengir37 | xfoxx: If you pay shipping I'll send you one. |
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| 05:53.01 | Dimi128 | gozz: im not sure, all Im finding is a bunch of other people that have the same problem but no answers, Ide start with your video drivers |
| 05:53.07 | xfoxx | sengir37, make it 2 cause i need another to press enter lol XP |
| 05:53.26 | sengir37 | xfoxx: Synchronisation may be an issue. |
| 05:53.36 | din | gn |
| 05:54.02 | atp | hi all, i recently upgraded my system (i run testing) and my kernel (from 2.6.10 to 2.6.13.4) and suddenly, alsa doesn't work. mysteriously, debian removed my alsa-utils package, which i reinstalled, and unmuted everything and set the sound up etc. still no sound. any ideas? |
| 05:54.11 | atp | my card is an intel-8x0 |
| 05:54.18 | xfoxx | =P my mom cam inside room to see if i was watching adult movies and jerking muyself lol |
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| 05:54.58 | xfoxx | this will take a long time =) |
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| 05:55.25 | amphi | tga: no, sorry, I just recall reading something about it in the alsa docs |
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| 05:55.41 | tga | amphi, it's encouraging to know it's even possible |
| 05:55.42 | xerophyte | does the eclipse support svn ?? |
| 05:56.09 | Dimi128 | So am I crazy for totaly removing windows and forcing myself to use linux regardless of how many new things i have to learn and how many problems I have just because i learned about the trusted computing thingy and now hate microsoft? |
| 05:56.21 | chealer | atp, don't use experimental unless you have very good reasons |
| 05:56.35 | atp | chealer, i don't use experimental, i use testing. |
| 05:57.08 | chealer | atp, how did you get a 2.6.13 kernel? |
| 05:57.18 | jair | what is the advantage of have a virtual IP adress in the same eth0 |
| 05:57.20 | atp | chealer, i've been compiling my own kernel since the 2.0 days. |
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| 05:57.52 | jair | for example I have only one network interface but I can add a real and virtual address |
| 05:57.54 | chealer | atp, and...why do you do that, *and*/or don't use debian sources? |
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| 05:58.17 | liable | atp: you will probably find udev is the culprit, and you should prolly also pay attention to what you let apt remove. |
| 05:58.25 | atp | chealer, habit. |
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| 05:58.54 | atp | liable, yes, i'd thought about that. udev choked on the upgrade because my kernel was too old, so i held it and recompiled. but it is creating all the necessary devices, it looks like. |
| 05:58.59 | chealer | atp, ok. well, use a stock 2.6.12 |
| 05:59.07 | asperon-work | hi, i have two exports that i need to do when the user logs in (or even at boot time is ok) that i have had in my profiles file for bash, but i want them to be done regardless of which shell is used, any suggestions on where to move them? |
| 05:59.16 | deadcat | chealer: debian kernel source has weird patches that fucks some stuff up |
| 05:59.25 | chealer | deadcat, uh? |
| 05:59.34 | deadcat | ya |
| 05:59.42 | atp | chealer, sorry, i'm an old curmudgeon, i like my habits, and i also like knowing why something doesn't work, instead of just blindly installing other packages. but thanks for the tip. |
| 06:00.27 | liable | atp: i dunno about the tesing version, but the latest udev conflicts with hotplug too, so you may find you dont have it, try reading the bts for udev. |
| 06:00.30 | chealer | atp, installing a stock kernel doesn't keep you from knowing why something doesn't work |
| 06:00.34 | sengir37 | Amen. Kernel compiles are one of the few things I refuse to do teh Debian Way (TM) |
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| 06:01.06 | sengir37 | That "Amen" was in responce to atp, btw. |
| 06:01.09 | chealer | atp, as for the blind installs, if you managed to not noticed alsa was being removed, that shouldn't be a problem |
| 06:01.12 | amphi | sengir37: you don't like make-kpkg? |
| 06:01.19 | dnyanesh | hi |
| 06:01.19 | sengir37 | amphi: Hell no. |
| 06:01.29 | dnyanesh | where u frm? |
| 06:01.31 | amphi | sengir37: heh - why not? |
| 06:01.44 | atp | liable, yeah. i'll take a look, thanks for the tip. |
| 06:01.57 | asperon-work | anybody? |
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| 06:02.00 | Azar | sengir37, doing a kernle the gentoo way lead me to have reinstall and learn again how to compile a kernel the debian way. |
| 06:02.17 | sengir37 | amphi: It's extra. There is no justification for putting another layer of interaction between me and my kernel config and install. |
| 06:02.25 | servus | I always did `make oldconfig && make menuconfig && make deb-pkg` to make the kernel in Debian. |
| 06:02.37 | atp | chealer, i've been living in the bush (literally) for the last six months, when i did the dist-upgrade, it upgraded literally hundreds of packages, and lots of dep info changed. as it happens, i did notice it removing things, despite that. |
| 06:02.39 | Guerin | no you didn't |
| 06:02.48 | Guerin | servus: don't make shit up |
| 06:02.52 | servus | Huh? |
| 06:02.53 | Azar | snubbing at Debian rules and procedures will not lead to anything good in the long run |
| 06:03.05 | servus | Exactly like a vanilla kernel configuration and make, but it produces a .deb package. |
| 06:03.10 | amphi | sengir37: dunno, it's ok not to have to fiddle with menu.lst and bzImage and System.map and so on |
| 06:03.13 | Guerin | servus: you lie |
| 06:03.15 | servus | Guerin: What are you talking about? |
| 06:03.19 | Seb | how do I disable say pci, ide and scsi from hotplug ? |
| 06:03.20 | atp | guerin: haha |
| 06:03.25 | Guerin | servus: make deb-pkg? |
| 06:03.33 | servus | Go to /usr/src/linux and type "make help" |
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| 06:03.37 | sengir37 | amphi: I use package management because it is impractical for me to tweak every package and keep them up to date. |
| 06:03.52 | sengir37 | amphi: But there is nothing that keeps me from upgrading my kernel when necessary |
| 06:03.54 | servus | Guerin: http://rafb.net/paste/results/x77FUe25.html |
| 06:04.00 | liable | Seb: blacklist, seems like a strange thing to do though.. |
| 06:04.02 | sengir37 | amphi: So tehre is no justification for an added layer of crap. |
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| 06:04.14 | servus | No need to swear. |
| 06:04.14 | Seb | liable: ok, but what do I blacklist ? |
| 06:04.21 | amphi | sengir37: nor me; I use make-kpkg on kernel.org src |
| 06:04.32 | Seb | liable: it takes forever to restart hotplug, and I'm only interested in usb anyway |
| 06:04.35 | atp | anyway, installing a kernel yourself involves manually copying a kernel, a System.map, a config file (if you want, i do). make modules_install puts everything in one directory. |
| 06:04.42 | atp | package management helps little |
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| 06:04.56 | liable | Seb: the modules? why are you doing this? what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 06:04.59 | sengir37 | amphi: I use make on kernel.org src. =) |
| 06:05.00 | amphi | sengir37: I didn't use kernel-package for a long time, but now I find it quite handy - it's not a big deal |
| 06:05.06 | atp | and it actually often hurts, because debian will remove your old package before it installs a new one, making running lots of different kernel versions annoying, to say the least. |
| 06:05.07 | deadcat | !start a kernel war |
| 06:05.07 | dpkg | ! |
| 06:05.08 | servus | Then if you dpkg -i mynewkernel.deb it should do that for you |
| 06:05.13 | Seb | liable: a shorter time to restart hotplug. Takes like freaking 30 seconds now. |
| 06:05.24 | atp | but i'll freely admit i haven't tried it in years. |
| 06:05.28 | Seb | liable: and I need to do it on this t42p each time I resume from sleep, or usb won't work |
| 06:05.33 | amphi | atp: dpkg has never done that here |
| 06:05.37 | Seb | liable: seeing how it's a pain already ? ;) |
| 06:05.40 | asperon-work | lets try that again, i need to set two exports, preferably at startup, but its is ok to do it at login to, as long as it will be done no mater which shell is used. What file should i add these exports to? |
| 06:05.43 | Guerin | servus: $ make help |grep deb #debian source |
| 06:05.49 | Guerin | servus: no output |
| 06:05.55 | Seb | asperon-work: /etc/profile ? |
| 06:06.02 | Seb | asperon-work: might notwork for C-shell based |
| 06:06.06 | chealer | atp, "debian will remove your old package before it installs a new one"?? |
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| 06:06.12 | liable | Seb: you can do that all with the hibernate package. |
| 06:06.18 | asperon-work | Seb: : thats were i had them, but that only works for bash etc, right? i need it to work for gdm to |
| 06:06.32 | servus | Guerin: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 06:06.36 | Seb | asperon-work: i doubt one file will do it for both shells and X |
| 06:06.39 | atp | chealer, if you have two packages with different versions and the same package name, yeah |
| 06:06.40 | Guerin | servus: can't be arsed |
| 06:06.46 | Seb | liable: do what exactly ? |
| 06:06.59 | servus | Guerin: That was not a command, but an explication. |
| 06:06.59 | Azar | apt-get can have a set of instructions on what packages to hold, stop, install, etc.. you only need to give it that instructions. |
| 06:07.01 | atp | chealer, if not, you create different packages with different names, but at that point, what on earth do you gain by packaging? really? |
| 06:07.06 | asperon-work | seb: ok, lets say i keep them in profiles, where should i add them for x? i tried xinitrc, but that didn't work |
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| 06:07.15 | liable | Seb: unload and load modules befroe/after sleeping. |
| 06:07.33 | Seb | liable: i've tried unloading and reloading the usb modules manully, somehow that doesn't cut it |
| 06:07.39 | Seb | liable: hotplug's gotta do something more |
| 06:08.12 | liable | Seb: /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 06:09.06 | chealer | atp, being able to deal with the package as usual, assurance that you're breaking your system, etc. |
| 06:09.14 | chealer | heh |
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| 06:09.29 | chealer | s/breaking/not breaking |
| 06:09.30 | amphi | chealer: good one ;) |
| 06:09.41 | bonz | How can I get apt-get too download all needed packages without locking so I can upgrade in a second instance? |
| 06:09.50 | Seb | liable: blacklisted everything but the usb stuff, it's stil lsaying initailizing subsytem: pci |
| 06:10.01 | sengir37 | bonz: man apt-get? |
| 06:10.04 | atp | chealer: being able to deal with the package as usual? in what sense? you're advocating giving all my kernels different package names, which removes dependency resolution plusses provided by packaging. removing a kernel involves deleting a single file and a modules directory, not at all a lot of work. |
| 06:10.06 | chealer | bonz, does -d lock? |
| 06:10.06 | jm_ | bonz: man apt-get |
| 06:10.18 | nevyn | sengir37: the problem is that apt has a bkl |
| 06:10.22 | nevyn | chealer: yes |
| 06:10.28 | jm_ | bonz: you mean you want to run them at the same time? |
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| 06:10.41 | bonz | jm_: yup :) |
| 06:10.46 | atp | chealer: how on earth does it help? and building kernels within the debian package framework is a pain. |
| 06:10.54 | jm_ | bonz: but why? what's the point? |
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| 06:10.57 | nevyn | jm_: I often want to do this |
| 06:11.01 | Seb | liable: i ant to disable the pci, isapnp, etc... subsystems, and keep only usb, and maybe scsi |
| 06:11.06 | Seb | liable: do you know how to do that ? |
| 06:11.10 | nevyn | jm_: so when you run apt-get upgrade and it's gonna take 4hrs |
| 06:11.10 | bonz | as each package finishes downloading ala -d I wanna upgrade it without it stalling the download |
| 06:11.22 | xfoxx | how can i get a C compiler?? |
| 06:11.25 | nevyn | you don't have to stop it for a trivial install |
| 06:11.31 | nevyn | bonz: oh that won't work |
| 06:11.36 | atp | liable: fyi, hotplug isn't affected by udev on my system, i'm using an ipw2100 wireless driver that depends on hotplug to work and it's functioning just fine. |
| 06:11.43 | jm_ | bonz: nope, that's impossible |
| 06:12.00 | Seb | xfoxx: apt-get install gcc |
| 06:12.08 | liable | Seb: look at discover files too, and /etc/modprobe.d |
| 06:12.18 | jm_ | nevyn: would be better to use --print-uris and some downloader then |
| 06:12.20 | bonz | jm_: I thought as much, but thought i'd ask anyhow |
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| 06:12.24 | Seb | liable: this is not gonna help, I want to disable specific parts of *hotplug* |
| 06:12.37 | nevyn | xfoxx: apt-get install build-essential |
| 06:12.38 | atp | annoyingly, debian gcc seems to be 4.0 nowadays, i had to downgrade to 3.4 because 4.0 is still a bit buggy. |
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| 06:12.42 | chealer | atp, as noticing you left an old kernel and remove it easily. I don't see what plusses you talk about though |
| 06:12.42 | nevyn | jm_: that works |
| 06:12.50 | liable | atp: apparently udev is taking over that job.. |
| 06:12.55 | Seb | liable: it's printing "initializing subsystem: isapnp". I don't want it to look at that at all, for instance. |
| 06:13.05 | nevyn | jm_: a script that uploads the list to darx |
| 06:13.15 | liable | Seb: apart from blacklisting the modules, i dont think theres much you can do. |
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| 06:13.31 | Seb | liable: shite. OK, thx for the help. |
| 06:13.50 | nevyn | xfoxx: cause you probably want make and the headers for c and stuff |
| 06:14.12 | xfoxx | i just wanna install this, None of the pre-built vmmon modules for VMware Workstation is suitable for your |
| 06:14.12 | xfoxx | running kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon module for |
| 06:14.12 | xfoxx | your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? [yes] |
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| 06:14.27 | atp | chealer: removing a kernel might be slightly easier (apt-get remove kernel-2.6.13.4 or whatever you named it, vs rm /boot/*-2.6.13.4; rm -rf /lib/modules/2.6.13.4 ...) but building a kernel becomes a major pain |
| 06:14.31 | amphi | xfoxx: build-essential |
| 06:14.33 | nevyn | xfoxx: that's more complicated |
| 06:14.50 | nevyn | you need build-essential and the kernel headers for the kernel you're running |
| 06:14.52 | atp | chealer: i understand it's less of a pain now than it has been, but really, what's the point? |
| 06:15.03 | sengir37 | atp: For what it's worth, I whole-heartedly agree. |
| 06:15.07 | xfoxx | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 06:15.07 | xfoxx | kernel? |
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| 06:15.21 | nevyn | xfoxx: do you have them installed? |
| 06:15.25 | Azar | atp so you are in "testing" or "unstable" ? |
| 06:15.32 | amphi | atp: it's not a pain, and makes installing a kernel slightly less work, no big deal IMHO |
| 06:15.34 | sengir37 | atp: Building kernels is easy. Debian package management exists to make hard things easy. It has no place screwing with my kernels. QED. |
| 06:15.39 | xfoxx | nevyn, who knows this is the program that ia asking |
| 06:15.49 | atp | sengir37: the difference here appears to be that we allow chealer his preferences, whereas he is somehow convinced that our way is wrong. |
| 06:15.58 | sengir37 | atp: Heh |
| 06:16.03 | usn_work | good mornin' |
| 06:16.10 | nevyn | xfoxx: well being the administrator of the system one would hope that you would know. |
| 06:16.28 | xfoxx | nevyn, lol |
| 06:16.30 | Azar | with practice , if you really want to have your own compiled kernel it will not so pain in the ass to do it |
| 06:16.30 | atp | liable: udev taking over hotplug? that's wack |
| 06:16.48 | atp | liable: is there a good site discussing that, or should i just check lkml? |
| 06:17.02 | amphi | Azar: that's not the discussion - it's the merits and demerits of kernel-package |
| 06:17.05 | liable | atp: sec.. |
| 06:17.16 | jm_ | nevyn: what is darx? |
| 06:17.51 | atp | Azar: i run testing. i occasionally fish packages out of unstable, but only very occasionally (ie, i don't think i have anything from the unstable branch installed at the moment) |
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| 06:18.08 | liable | atp: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/09/msg00830.html |
| 06:18.15 | liable | atp: read the whole thing.. |
| 06:18.16 | atp | liable: thanks. |
| 06:18.27 | Azar | amphi, as of now I am not able to compile my own kernel, but at least I am honest about this issue and using a precompiled one, which is a breeze to install. therefore I cannot complain.. |
| 06:19.11 | Azar | atp, then you should start practicing in compiling your own kernels at your own heart's desire. |
| 06:19.29 | nevyn | jm_: umm I've got the name wrong. |
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| 06:19.42 | nevyn | but it's a http/ftp/etc downloader |
| 06:19.47 | atp | Azar: start practicing? i think you've missed what this conversation is about. i've been compiling my own kernels since 2.0. |
| 06:19.48 | nevyn | think networked kget |
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| 06:19.52 | servus | wget? |
| 06:19.59 | cheal | atp: there are too many reasons. I have nothing to add to /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/Rationale.gz |
| 06:20.08 | atp | Azar: back before kernel modules, you HAD to compile your own kernel, pretty much. |
| 06:20.18 | Azar | atp, then I guess it should not be a pain in the ass for you |
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| 06:20.25 | atp | Azar: it's not. |
| 06:20.38 | Azar | atp, yes I know that, I used to use woody |
| 06:20.45 | atp | Azar: kernel packages are a pain in the ass. you've misunderstood what this conversation is about, as someone else pointed out. |
| 06:20.51 | servus | There _is_ a "Debian way" to compile kernels nearly just like you'd do on, say, Slackware. |
| 06:20.51 | jm_ | nevyn: d4x? |
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| 06:21.07 | Azar | atp, my bad then, I appologize |
| 06:21.13 | atp | Azar: woody wasn't 2.0. slink i think still ran 2.0. |
| 06:21.20 | atp | Azar: potato was already 2.2, i believe |
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| 06:21.38 | atp | it was a long time ago, i forget |
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| 06:21.44 | jm_ | !+codenames |
| 06:21.44 | dpkg | it has been said that codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), Sarge=Stable (3.1) Etch=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews |
| 06:21.49 | nevyn | jm_: no |
| 06:22.10 | nevyn | jm_: http://www.hell.ukgateway.net/darxite/ |
| 06:22.39 | jm_ | nevyn: heh rather old |
| 06:23.07 | nevyn | the concept is cool tho |
| 06:23.17 | nevyn | jm_: I don't actually use it anymore |
| 06:23.26 | nevyn | but conceptually it is pretty neat |
| 06:23.47 | nevyn | basically it allows a household to have a download queue that's sane |
| 06:24.11 | jm_ | yeah, only problem is to have all apps support it |
| 06:24.12 | cheal | atp: you clearly didn't care to check (recent, particularly) kernel packaging evolutions to dare to say that |
| 06:24.38 | sengir37 | cheal: To dare to say what? |
| 06:24.51 | cheal | sengir37: "kernel packages are a pain in the ass." |
| 06:25.00 | sengir37 | cheal: Hell, I'll say that now. |
| 06:25.10 | sengir37 | cheal: Kernel packages are a pain in teh ass. |
| 06:25.26 | sengir37 | cheal: The linux way of making a kernel is sufficient. No Debian Way is needed. |
| 06:25.31 | cheal | great, I'm going to sleep and had no intention to continue this anyway |
| 06:25.34 | Azar | sengir37, why would you say that you do not like to compile kernels the debian way? what is wrong with that? |
| 06:25.53 | sengir37 | Azar: It's just that the normal way works perfectly well and always has. |
| 06:25.55 | Azar | sengir37, then why would you run debian? |
| 06:26.03 | cheal | sengir37: sure... |
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| 06:26.16 | sengir37 | Azar: I don't see any readson to take sources, build a kernel, then turn it into a package for no reason, and then install that package. |
| 06:26.26 | sengir37 | Azar: packages of pre-compiled kernels make sense |
| 06:26.29 | liable | !be kernel compile barbie |
| 06:26.36 | liable | !be a kernel compile barbie |
| 06:26.38 | dpkg | Aww, kernel compile is hard! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 06:26.42 | sengir37 | Azar: They save you the effort of compiling a kernel in circumstances where a stock kernel will do |
| 06:26.47 | Azar | :) |
| 06:26.59 | sengir37 | Azar: But if I am going to roll my own, there is no reason to get extra debian tools involved |
| 06:27.18 | amphi | sengir37: none at all, unless you like them |
| 06:27.21 | sengir37 | Azar: I run debian for a lot of reasons not related to kernel management. |
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| 06:27.30 | deepspace | I like the debian way of doing things; it eliminates the step of messing with grub's menu |
| 06:27.36 | electron_ | hey, how can I watch peoples webcams on msn? |
| 06:27.48 | deepspace | Install, uninstall, it's quick. Not necessary of course but quite nice I think |
| 06:27.49 | electron_ | I use amsn but it doesn't seem to support it |
| 06:27.53 | sengir37 | amphi: This is what I am saying. There is no reason for them, and I don't like them. So I don't use them. That doesn't mean that I take issue with anyone who does. |
| 06:27.55 | Azar | sengir37, the main idea why I landed here is because someone like you grab a newbie like me and showed me how to compile a kernel the gentoo way. Here people like cheal and others showed me why my system started coughing. |
| 06:28.07 | deepspace | There was a big Slashdot and osnews.com article about that just today, electron - there's something called gaim-vv which may do what you want |
| 06:29.01 | amphi | Azar: what is the 'gentoo way' ? |
| 06:29.22 | ideafix | how do i make a meadia center lan with linux ? |
| 06:29.28 | Azar | amphi, I forgot its been almost two years since... |
| 06:29.33 | amphi | Azar: heh |
| 06:29.36 | nevyn | ideafix: mythtv |
| 06:29.44 | ideafix | mythtv ? |
| 06:29.51 | nevyn | but be prepared to spend some significant time on the exercise |
| 06:29.51 | ideafix | i donr have tv card |
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| 06:30.06 | nevyn | ideafix: what is a media centre lan? |
| 06:30.22 | ideafix | what it sounds like |
| 06:30.26 | electron_ | hello? |
| 06:30.27 | nevyn | ideafix: I interpreted that as PVR/video playing game playing box |
| 06:30.28 | sengir37 | deepspace: I eliminate the step of messing with grub config files by not using grub |
| 06:30.40 | amphi | sounds like marketing |
| 06:30.53 | deepspace | Well thats one way |
| 06:30.59 | ideafix | its a box to stream meadia across a lan |
| 06:31.04 | amphi | sengir37: the gordian knot, heh |
| 06:31.14 | nevyn | ideafix: oh like a streaming server? |
| 06:31.15 | ideafix | what else ?! |
| 06:31.23 | nevyn | ideafix: or more than that? |
| 06:31.32 | deepspace | I run Gentoo as my main desktop system (what I'm on now) but I've always liked Debian's "make a package out of the kernel" process. It's not like you have to do that or anything; you can just move it over manually. |
| 06:31.37 | ideafix | more ? |
| 06:31.41 | deepspace | But I like it. |
| 06:31.43 | nevyn | well "media centre" to me means PVR |
| 06:31.58 | ideafix | PVR doesent mean anything to me |
| 06:32.07 | nevyn | Personal Video Recorder |
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| 06:32.12 | nevyn | ideafix: tivo |
| 06:32.12 | liable | !vague |
| 06:32.12 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 06:32.16 | nevyn | but with games etc |
| 06:32.21 | ideafix | PVR is it some kind of plastic like PVC ? |
| 06:32.41 | ideafix | i dont have tivo |
| 06:32.54 | deepspace | It's more like an IUD. |
| 06:33.01 | deepspace | With a FUBAR'd EPROM. |
| 06:33.18 | atp | an IUD with an EPROM? |
| 06:33.19 | ideafix | what games ? |
| 06:33.25 | ideafix | streaming games ? |
| 06:33.28 | nevyn | atp: for "access control" |
| 06:33.30 | deepspace | Yes, a very selective IUD. |
| 06:33.32 | deepspace | indeed. |
| 06:33.41 | atp | i just got this image of a gynecologist holding an EPROM and telling the woman, "this might pinch a little." |
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| 06:34.00 | atp | hehe |
| 06:34.00 | ideafix | how do i setup a streeaming media box ? |
| 06:34.13 | deepspace | That's a rather broad question. |
| 06:34.14 | atp | i was actually conceived through an IUD... proves the things don't work for shit. |
| 06:34.15 | electron_ | hey, how can I watch peoples webcams on msn? |
| 06:34.16 | sep | ideafix, install debian , install either mythtv, or freevo , your done |
| 06:34.18 | nevyn | ideafix: depends what sort of streams you want to provide to what? |
| 06:34.20 | electron_ | I use amsn but it doesn't seem to support it |
| 06:34.25 | sep | ideafix, might have to configure a little |
| 06:34.29 | nevyn | sep: except that's not what he wants. |
| 06:34.42 | sep | nevyn, what does he want then ? |
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| 06:34.47 | encompass | electron_ I would google that one, I heard they are working on it |
| 06:34.50 | deepspace | One good thing to do is go to www.freshmeat.net and search on stream |
| 06:34.59 | ideafix | i should install apache server ? |
| 06:35.04 | deepspace | And see what apps there are; there is bound to be some usable ones in the package db |
| 06:35.12 | electron_ | there has got to be a way |
| 06:35.29 | nevyn | ideafix: What sort of streams do you want to provide? |
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| 06:35.33 | atp | liable: i read the whole thread, but i don't think i use blacklists for anything (re: udev taking over hotplug functionality) and it didn't seem to say much about anything else. |
| 06:35.34 | encompass | I just use gnomemeeting |
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| 06:35.37 | nevyn | to what sort of clients? |
| 06:35.38 | ideafix | meadia streams |
| 06:35.57 | ideafix | i think apach might do it |
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| 06:36.07 | nevyn | ideafix: netcat is an awesome text streaming server... |
| 06:36.10 | deepspace | Apache is just a web server. |
| 06:36.12 | sep | nevyn, besides the mythtv system can stream media from the backend to the frontend so it IS a 'sreaming server' just not across the internet... |
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| 06:36.41 | ideafix | if you consider text media i have no argument with you |
| 06:36.41 | encompass | how do I get the chinese Chars to view properly in debian gnome |
| 06:36.46 | ideafix | co cof |
| 06:36.50 | nevyn | sep: I know that. |
| 06:36.51 | Azar | hmm here is a summary of what I used to do to compile a kernel: download from links http://kernel.org -- mv linux-2.6.6.tar.bz2 /usr/src -- apt-get install libncurses5-dev bzip2 -- cd /usr/src -- tar -xvjpf linux<tab> -- cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.6 -- make menuconfig -- make && make modules_install -- cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot -- vi /etc/lilo.conf -- /sbin/lilo |
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| 06:37.08 | atp | Azar: don't put it in /usr/src |
| 06:37.14 | nevyn | sep: I think mythtv is what he wants but if he wants to make real streams across his network then it's not. |
| 06:37.17 | atp | Azar: compile it in your home directory, minimize what you do as root |
| 06:37.21 | Azar | atp that was back in the days |
| 06:37.34 | atp | Azar: well, it wasn't that long ago if it was for 2.6.6 ... :) |
| 06:37.41 | sep | nevyn, i guess waiting until he explains himself is the thing |
| 06:37.47 | w3rdn4 | who said "hold fast to dreams for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly" |
| 06:37.55 | ideafix | cant apach do it ? |
| 06:37.55 | jm_ | atp: that's bollocks, /usr/src is owned by group src so it's enough to add your user to tthis group, no need to do it as root |
| 06:37.58 | Azar | atp, I was diving with sid back then |
| 06:38.02 | amphi | w3rdn4: ghod knows |
| 06:38.34 | ideafix | i would point it to the media folder the then just click on the files and play them across the lan |
| 06:38.34 | encompass | google it |
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| 06:38.42 | Azar | ofcourse, I managed to get the latest kernel, a desktop, sound, all ran well for about two days. Then it totally borked. |
| 06:38.51 | amphi | w3rdn4: "Most would recognize the words of Langston Hughes" quoth google |
| 06:38.56 | atp | jm_: that may be true, but in the linux documentation they also have been saying don't compile in /usr/src for a while now. obviously you're welcome to ignore them, i think they were mostly concerned about /usr/src/linux possibly being used for header files or something. |
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| 06:39.39 | encompass | how do I get chinese chars to work in gnome? |
| 06:39.55 | atp | jm_: personally, i like to limit the things i have write to, and i think it's probably smart for new users to do the same. you don't fall into that category :) |
| 06:40.17 | atp | encompass: you need the right fonts, and you need to have the right locale settings |
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| 06:40.22 | jm_ | atp: naah, it's not used for that either |
| 06:40.24 | atp | encompass: and when you say work, do you mean display, or input? |
| 06:40.52 | encompass | display, I am english but wnat to see chinese chars when I work with the chinese |
| 06:40.54 | atp | encompass: to input chinese, i generally use scim, which works quite well... although if you use WuBi exclusively there's apparently a better package for it |
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| 06:41.05 | encompass | rather than the number boxee thingees |
| 06:41.20 | jm_ | encompass: can you actually read them? |
| 06:41.29 | ideafix | how do i setup apache to share media over lan ? |
| 06:41.32 | encompass | just the little numbers in the boxes |
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| 06:41.36 | atp | encompass: i would recommend (but don't tell rms) that you install the microsoft simsun and simhei fonts from a windows box. there aren't a lot of good free chinese fonts, unfortuntately. |
| 06:42.04 | atp | jm_: chinese isn't really that difficult to read :) |
| 06:42.05 | Quinn_Storm | hey, quick question. still in the process of migrating my desktop. Anyone know of any (gtk based maybe?) IRC clients as good as or better than konversation? I'm moving from kde to ion3 and dumping most kde apps in the process as they just don't fit in well, while (relatively) light gtk2 apps do. i found sylpheed-claws-gtk2 for email and its wonderful, beats out evolution,kmail,sylpheed,thunderbird,etc by a lot... |
| 06:42.19 | encompass | it is interesting, but I think some of the themes in gnome, when selected, show the chars in chinese |
| 06:42.33 | encompass | yes |
| 06:42.42 | encompass | I can read them |
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| 06:42.47 | ma3x | hello |
| 06:42.51 | encompass | hi |
| 06:42.53 | atp | encompass: i don't use gnome much at all, but i set up a desktop for my girlfriend at one point and it was as simple as setting the locale in the gdm menu to simplified or traditional chinese. |
| 06:43.15 | liable | Quinn_Storm: xchat? |
| 06:43.15 | ma3x | if i encoded something with the mp3lame codec, I have to have it on debian in order to play the file. Right? |
| 06:43.30 | encompass | that makes eveything chinese, and it doesnät go over well with the finnish people in the family |
| 06:43.34 | atp | encompass: if you're in taiwan or hk, get mingliu and pmingliu for traditional characters. |
| 06:43.54 | atp | encompass: i would recommend setting your default font size to 16 if you plan on working with traditional characters, because they're rather denser. |
| 06:43.59 | ma3x | hello |
| 06:44.01 | encompass | ma3x what the heck are you talking about mp3's are mp3s |
| 06:44.03 | ma3x | someone answer me please |
| 06:44.04 | ideafix | isnt ther a nice gui for seting up apache ? |
| 06:44.11 | atp | encompass: 13 or 14 is sufficient for simplified. |
| 06:44.14 | ma3x | encompass about codec |
| 06:44.23 | ma3x | encompass do you mind or wtf? |
| 06:44.27 | encompass | thanks for the advise |
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| 06:44.42 | Quinn_Storm | liable: maybe, though I am pissed off at the xchat windows thing...I assume the linux xchat people don't suck? |
| 06:44.55 | encompass | ma3x please rephrase your question |
| 06:45.21 | liable | Quinn_Storm: its free at least :) and its pretty popular i think, or you could just use irssi ;) |
| 06:45.37 | encompass | I use bitchx |
| 06:45.58 | servus | XChat for Windows is not free. |
| 06:46.01 | Quinn_Storm | liable: well I use irssi from console, is there a good gtk2 thing? |
| 06:46.07 | Quinn_Storm | servus: yes thats why I don't like XChat |
| 06:46.09 | ma3x | encompass I made a movie with my camcorder. Then I ripped it to my pc and chose mp3lame as compression for the audio. Now when I play that file on Debian, it does not play with a beautiful sound |
| 06:46.09 | xelam | ma3x: no you do not so long as you can play ANY mp3s :P |
| 06:46.18 | servus | You could compile XChat on Windows yourself. |
| 06:46.31 | liable | xchat for debian is free, which was the point i was making.. |
| 06:46.32 | Quinn_Storm | servus: thats true...its just an issue of principle |
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| 06:46.35 | Quinn_Storm | liable: ah, ok |
| 06:46.39 | xelam | nothing's better than irssi :D |
| 06:46.40 | Quinn_Storm | well I'll try out xchat |
| 06:46.49 | encompass | thanks xelam |
| 06:46.52 | Quinn_Storm | xelam: I like irssi on console, is there an X version? |
| 06:46.57 | bonz | irssi has a gtk version too but I also prefer irssi-text |
| 06:46.59 | xelam | there's a very old one |
| 06:47.04 | servus | Or they probably have clean Windows binaries out there for XChat. I do agree that it's despicable for a project maintainer to accept money for an open source project created by a _community_. |
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| 06:47.16 | liable | Quinn_Storm: just run it in a term. |
| 06:47.16 | Quinn_Storm | servus: yes, thats why I am upset about it |
| 06:47.30 | Quinn_Storm | liable: I want an X app, I use irssi in term already when I want a text IRC |
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| 06:47.43 | atp | xchat is pretty ok, i use it. |
| 06:47.48 | liable | in a xterm... |
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| 06:48.17 | atp | i bet there's an emacs mode too |
| 06:48.22 | Quinn_Storm | well I'll try xchat |
| 06:48.23 | atp | hehe |
| 06:48.23 | xelam | why don't you just use irssi all the time |
| 06:48.27 | atp | emacs runs under X |
| 06:48.35 | bonz | atp eww |
| 06:48.40 | Quinn_Storm | bbs |
| 06:48.51 | atp | bonz: emacs rules! |
| 06:48.54 | Jumble | Are there any hacked up sid netinstall discs that work...the step from installing the sarge base system and changing sources.list then doing apt-get dist-upgrade takes an extra like 11 minutes |
| 06:48.58 | bonz | from what I've heard crawl isa closer analogy :) |
| 06:49.02 | liable | !bloat |
| 06:49.02 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 06:49.08 | atp | !start an editor war |
| 06:49.08 | dpkg | emacs doesn't deserve to be in linux |
| 06:49.15 | liable | hah |
| 06:49.18 | Jumble | !start a distro war |
| 06:49.18 | dpkg | Progeny rocks! |
| 06:49.23 | Jumble | !start a browser war |
| 06:49.24 | dpkg | Opera is more secure than Firebird! |
| 06:49.28 | Jumble | lol |
| 06:49.34 | ma3x | xelam I want to play avi file but the sound is not good |
| 06:49.41 | Azar | :) |
| 06:49.44 | servus | !start a slashdot war |
| 06:49.47 | coywolf | !start an os war |
| 06:49.47 | dpkg | BSD is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 06:49.47 | xelam | well erm |
| 06:49.49 | servus | Damn. |
| 06:49.58 | servus | !cowboyneal |
| 06:49.59 | dpkg | somebody said cowboyneal was a fool's fool. Yes, he is THE CowboyNeal!!!1 |
| 06:50.09 | servus | I hate Slashdot. |
| 06:50.11 | bonz | I prefer telnet site 80 |
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| 06:50.27 | atp | bonz: you know, in the old days i actually used to do that |
| 06:50.28 | Quinn_Storm | eh XChat is ok...gonna keep looking... |
| 06:50.38 | bonz | what is slashdot? |
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| 06:50.52 | atp | bonz: but it wasn't because i was leet, but rather because a) i didn't know about lynx and b) back then html was actually pretty easy to read |
| 06:50.55 | Quinn_Storm | is there anything decent about bitchx? |
| 06:51.10 | atp | Quinn_Storm: it has annoying sign off messages? |
| 06:51.13 | bonz | Quinn_Storm: only the name :) |
| 06:51.18 | Quinn_Storm | lofl |
| 06:51.39 | Quinn_Storm | well maybe if I change the colors and maybe shortcut keys, I can get used to xchat |
| 06:51.54 | atp | lots of people actually swear by bitchx |
| 06:52.02 | atp | they're pretty much all scriptkiddies, but... |
| 06:52.03 | atp | hehe |
| 06:52.05 | liable | Quinn_Storm: just use irssi in your terminal emulater of choice. |
| 06:52.18 | atp | i agree with liable |
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| 06:52.35 | atp | you can make it look X-like by setting the default colors in your terminal to something non-standard, i do that with mutt. |
| 06:52.41 | Quinn_Storm | lol |
| 06:52.50 | atp | !lol |
| 06:52.50 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 06:52.55 | bonz | same I used too like xchat before I come across irssi |
| 06:53.04 | Quinn_Storm | me too! |
| 06:53.08 | Quinn_Storm | :-P |
| 06:53.13 | Quinn_Storm | (response to dpkg of course) |
| 06:53.26 | bonz | I stillrun an xchat session in order too use festival on my local server |
| 06:53.37 | Quinn_Storm | irssi also has the annoying problem that some of its default keys are the same as ion... |
| 06:53.55 | bonz | but even that I can use irssi for now |
| 06:53.55 | liable | damn air-con, only decides to break when it gets really hot.. :( |
| 06:53.57 | k-man | how can i write a regex that matches both "2345" and "2345-2445"? |
| 06:54.00 | atp | i think xchat is ok. i'm not a heavy irc user so i don't suffer to much from a lot of the lack of some advanced options others complain about. |
| 06:54.14 | atp | k-man: 2345(-2445)? |
| 06:54.27 | w3rdn4 | how do I do port forwarding? |
| 06:54.29 | Quinn_Storm | yeah I don't really use the advanced options much |
| 06:54.35 | Quinn_Storm | I just need a good interface |
| 06:54.48 | k-man | atp, i need the result of either match to be in \2 |
| 06:55.09 | atp | k-man: \(2345(-2445)?\) |
| 06:55.15 | atp | k-man: i guess (for sed) |
| 06:55.19 | k-man | ah |
| 06:55.20 | k-man | ok |
| 06:55.22 | k-man | ill try that thanks |
| 06:55.24 | atp | k-man: haven't tried it, i just made it up |
| 06:55.24 | liable | w3rdn4: install shorewall, firehole, firestarter, ipmasq.... |
| 06:55.29 | k-man | oh |
| 06:55.41 | atp | k-man: no i mean, it should work |
| 06:55.46 | atp | k-man: but i haven't verified it |
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| 06:56.05 | atp | k-man: i'm guessing you're using sed (right? \2 is kind of antiquated sed syntax) |
| 06:56.07 | w3rdn4 | liable, any of those? |
| 06:56.09 | k-man | yeah |
| 06:56.10 | k-man | sed |
| 06:56.13 | k-man | good old sed |
| 06:56.15 | liable | w3rdn4: yerp. |
| 06:56.24 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, xchat doesn't support multiple identities... |
| 06:56.29 | atp | k-man: i like sed too, but sometimes sed has fairly limited regex capabilities (perl is much, much better) |
| 06:56.37 | k-man | oh |
| 06:56.43 | k-man | maybe i should do it with perl |
| 06:56.54 | atp | k-man: try it with sed first, it's good for your unixiness. |
| 06:57.01 | k-man | hehe |
| 06:57.01 | Quinn_Storm | oh well maybe I should just stay with konversation, it isn't that bad |
| 06:57.02 | k-man | yeah |
| 06:57.05 | atp | k-man: if it doesn't work tell me :p |
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| 06:58.50 | bonz | multiple identities for a scizophrenic? |
| 06:59.13 | atp | actually, bonz, multiple personality disorder and schizophrenia aren't really related. |
| 06:59.35 | atp | it's a common misconception that the media seems unwilling to let go of. |
| 06:59.40 | qbwdp | hello |
| 07:00.03 | qbwdp | would anyone tell me where i can find apt-get sources for amd64? |
| 07:00.27 | atp | bonz, it's pretty freaky stuff, really. i took abnormal psych to satisfy a requirement, it really left me wondering if i was sane. maybe ignorance is bliss. |
| 07:00.31 | jm_ | #debian-amd64 or use google, it's not hard to find |
| 07:00.47 | bonz | hehe |
| 07:00.54 | atp | bonz: but if you're curious, i bet wikipedia has something to say about it. |
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| 07:01.45 | kl1 | hi |
| 07:01.50 | kl1 | is posible to run gentoo in a Cobalt RAQ2? |
| 07:01.54 | bonz | atp: not really just couldn't think of any real reason too need multiple identies on an irc client |
| 07:01.57 | kl1 | debian i mean xDDD |
| 07:02.14 | sandman | What's an easy method to setup a DHCP server @ network device "usb0"? |
| 07:02.17 | sandman | and do routing |
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| 07:02.52 | atp | bonz: ;) |
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| 07:03.34 | kl1 | is posible to run Debien in a Cobalt RAQ2? |
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| 07:03.40 | atp | alright folks i need to go do something productive. have fun. liable, thanks for the udev pointer again. |
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| 07:03.49 | liable | np |
| 07:03.50 | w3rdn4 | is there a install of ipmasq with out the hastly of all the gui and that crap that would slow down a 600 mhz 64mb of ram system? |
| 07:04.06 | meff | uhm |
| 07:04.15 | jm_ | ehh? ipmasq has no GUI |
| 07:04.16 | liable | gui for ipmasq? |
| 07:04.17 | meff | yeah w3rdn4 just build off a standard debian install |
| 07:04.18 | nevyn | kl1: yes |
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| 07:04.27 | mwilson | Since when does iptables have a GUI? |
| 07:04.41 | liberty | sinc ipcop |
| 07:04.44 | kl1 | nevyn is mipsel? |
| 07:05.07 | liberty | guarddig |
| 07:05.12 | nevyn | kl1: actually.. I thought it was arm |
| 07:05.13 | qbwdp | google does not say anything |
| 07:05.18 | nevyn | kl1: maybe I'm wrong |
| 07:05.20 | qbwdp | i have to read it |
| 07:05.30 | kl1 | nevyn is a mips base procesor |
| 07:05.35 | bonz | I think webmin has an iptables plugin too |
| 07:05.36 | meff | w3rdn4: look up shorewall, firehol, etc.. |
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| 07:05.44 | servus | !confuse me |
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| 07:05.46 | dpkg | No, who is your bacon today, servus? wellies of the monarchy of tibet with extra cream |
| 07:05.52 | bonz | but thats more aweb based thing rather then x based |
| 07:05.53 | liberty | ipcop = webgui guarddog = qt + kde gui |
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| 07:06.42 | nevyn | kl1: according to the install docs it's mipsel and supported by DI |
| 07:06.48 | w3rdn4 | so a base install of debian will do fine then build from there |
| 07:06.57 | liberty | how to migrate messsages from Invision Board 1.2(U) -> Drupal? anyone? |
| 07:07.07 | nevyn | kl1: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm/ch02s01.html.en#id2513813 |
| 07:07.14 | meff | w3rdn4: yes, like i said, look up firehol and shorewall |
| 07:07.35 | Hellson | i've installed mplayer and the frame buffer so i can play it via a terminal however how do i workout what i need to put as my -vo device? |
| 07:07.47 | jm_ | tried -vo help? |
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| 07:08.09 | kl1 | nevyn oh ok thank you :D |
| 07:08.16 | bonz | hmm I should work out how too get my tv-out workin with mplayer one year |
| 07:08.18 | Hellson | yep however i need to workout what device i have to use |
| 07:08.33 | jm_ | yeah, vo help doesn'tmention FB at all |
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| 07:09.04 | Hellson | bonz, u just have to reboot with you cables in your card will auto switch only thing is u gota play via a terminal |
| 07:09.17 | nevyn | bonz: the hard bit is to make it work with X |
| 07:09.24 | Hellson | yer |
| 07:09.47 | Hellson | i tried alot of options already |
| 07:09.49 | Hellson | ain't gettin no were |
| 07:09.59 | Hellson | i think it wants me to specify what device i'm using |
| 07:10.03 | jm_ | it's pretty simple to send X output to a TV with nvidia cards |
| 07:10.10 | bonz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.17 | qbwdp | can i get wget to append? |
| 07:10.31 | nevyn | bonz X and modelines on a G400 is how my myth box works |
| 07:10.49 | bonz | cept I think the tv-out on this notebook is fried |
| 07:10.49 | Hellson | jm_, unfortunetly i have a radeon 7000 |
| 07:10.49 | nevyn | X takes a beating to get the modes right |
| 07:11.17 | nevyn | jm_: I don't buy hardware that's not supported in free operating systems |
| 07:11.39 | bonz | nevyn: I usually dont buy hardware. |
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| 07:11.43 | Hellson | there is atitvout however its for radeon 8500+ |
| 07:12.04 | bonz | hence the busted tv-out on this notebook along with lotsa other broken things |
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| 07:12.31 | nevyn | bonz: well that's the case somewhat for me too. but it'll be a cold day in hell before nvidia get any of my money |
| 07:12.43 | bonz | rescued from landfill at about 14months old |
| 07:13.02 | jm_ | sure, if you're happy with 3 year old cards then you can do without it |
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| 07:13.28 | Hellson | so i take it no one has an idea on how to play via a terminal? |
| 07:13.34 | nevyn | Hellson: umm |
| 07:13.45 | nevyn | Hellson: I play using ssh occasionally |
| 07:13.51 | nevyn | Hellson: it's not that hard |
| 07:13.52 | Azar | so far nvidia seems to have been the easier on linux, even though is not free software |
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| 07:14.05 | nevyn | Azar: the road to hell is easy |
| 07:14.20 | Hellson | how do you do it nevyn |
| 07:14.30 | Azar | nevyn nvidia even made a installer for linux, what are you talking about? |
| 07:14.37 | servus | The road to hell is paved with Chex Mix. |
| 07:14.40 | nevyn | Hellson: mplayer -vo xv -ao alsa .... |
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| 07:14.56 | Hellson | yer i tried vx |
| 07:15.02 | Hellson | wait a min |
| 07:15.07 | nevyn | mmm... |
| 07:15.09 | Hellson | that would still be supported by x wouldn't it? |
| 07:15.13 | bonz | mm thats somethin else I have too do one day |
| 07:15.15 | Hellson | i'm talkin terminal here |
| 07:15.17 | Hellson | no x |
| 07:15.17 | nevyn | yes you need to launch X |
| 07:15.20 | bonz | migrate fromoss too alsa |
| 07:15.39 | Hellson | i have x running just not using it |
| 07:15.43 | Hellson | well i'm in it now |
| 07:15.49 | nevyn | Hellson: well you can do -vo sdl SDLVIDEODRIVER=aalib but that's ugly |
| 07:15.50 | Hellson | but to put out to the tv i have to be in a terminal |
| 07:15.56 | nevyn | Hellson: -vo fb |
| 07:16.03 | nevyn | but you need a fbdev |
| 07:16.23 | nevyn | Hellson: or just configure X correctly |
| 07:16.36 | bonz | Hellson: hit it with the sledge a few times, that'l learn it |
| 07:16.47 | Hellson | my x is configured for my monitor fine |
| 07:16.49 | nevyn | Azar: might be -vo fbdev |
| 07:16.53 | Hellson | puttin out to my tv is a bitch tho |
| 07:16.58 | Azar | nevyn ? |
| 07:16.59 | nevyn | why? |
| 07:17.04 | nevyn | it's just another monitor |
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| 07:17.21 | Hellson | at a different resolution |
| 07:17.49 | Hellson | ive tried every resolution and can't get it |
| 07:17.50 | TipTop | i run linux on my first IDE HD. is there a method to install debian on my secondary HD from my running linux ? |
| 07:18.16 | nevyn | TipTop: apt-get install dbootstrap |
| 07:18.33 | nevyn | TipTop: apt-get install ddbootstrap |
| 07:18.36 | liberty | kernel-headers + nvidia (if you need it) + nvidia docs = working nvidia |
| 07:18.38 | nevyn | TipTop: apt-get install debootstrap |
| 07:18.39 | TipTop | debootstrap :) |
| 07:18.42 | nevyn | I can't spell |
| 07:18.50 | Hellson | lol |
| 07:18.55 | Hellson | 3rd times a charm |
| 07:19.05 | Azar | liberty, you mean he should use the actual nvidia installer? |
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| 07:19.18 | TipTop | nevyn: are you related to the guy who made the disk ? |
| 07:19.23 | liberty | i like the mplayer -vo ascii (personally) |
| 07:19.25 | nevyn | which disk? |
| 07:19.51 | TipTop | nevyniral's disk |
| 07:19.53 | Azar | use nvidia installer = fuck up Debian |
| 07:20.01 | TipTop | (forget it. private joke :) |
| 07:20.22 | liberty | Azarm use the one from nvidia.com and then read the doc. If ya can't do that than try vesa or nv for a card. |
| 07:20.33 | Azar | liberty is a totally NO |
| 07:20.44 | TipTop | nevyn: thx anyway :) |
| 07:20.47 | Azar | use it for other distro, not for Debian |
| 07:21.21 | liberty | sh ./NVI <tab> uninstall options |
| 07:21.35 | Hellson | i just always get error open/initilization the selected video out device |
| 07:21.53 | liberty | then dpkg-reconfigure x |
| 07:22.02 | Azar | is amazing how some of you are actually telling the new users to use NON DEBIAN packages or installers, amazing |
| 07:22.26 | liberty | Azar you said it fscked debian up |
| 07:22.34 | liberty | there's an uninstall |
| 07:22.49 | liberty | it's propriatary hardware. what do you want? |
| 07:22.50 | Azar | liberty, its been a year I made that mistake, please don't |
| 07:23.17 | Azar | debian has a way of installing nvidia driver there is no need to use the nvidia installer |
| 07:23.18 | Hellson | is there a way to check which video-out device i should be using? |
| 07:23.35 | valdyn | Hellson: -vo x11 should work always |
| 07:23.43 | Hellson | in a terminal ? |
| 07:23.44 | liberty | follow what I said, and tweek on the nvidia DOC and you will have 1k frames in glxgears easy. |
| 07:23.56 | Azar | liberty, NO |
| 07:23.59 | liberty | givven you have a current card |
| 07:24.08 | valdyn | Hellson: why would you try to run mplayer outside of X ? |
| 07:24.13 | liberty | or semi current piece of hardware |
| 07:24.15 | amphi | Hellson: in X, xv is the one to use if your X config supports it |
| 07:24.20 | Hellson | because i'm trying to play it on my tv |
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| 07:24.35 | Hellson | i have no problems running it in x |
| 07:24.37 | woodland | hi i just installed real player following instructions on real.com but i cant play songs on the website www.musicindiaonline.com e.g. http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/17/s/movie_name.305/ i tried all songs there |
| 07:24.48 | Hellson | i'm tryin to play via a terminal so i can play it on my tv |
| 07:25.01 | valdyn | Hellson: you mean b/c you're not getting X to run on your 2nd display you try running mplayer in console? |
| 07:25.26 | Hellson | valdyn, how would i go about setting up a tv as a second display tho? |
| 07:26.12 | Hellson | the only thing i can get on my tv when i'm in x is a bunch of static lines |
| 07:26.36 | liberty | 4k frames in 5s on a 5200 amd 350Mhz |
| 07:27.08 | valdyn | Hellson: use the nvidia driver ( /msg dpkg nvidia ), and read nvidia's docs. Though I've done it i dont remember the details. |
| 07:27.17 | liberty | there's better cards and hardware, but they cost bucks |
| 07:27.21 | woodland | why cant i play songs online using real player |
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| 07:27.26 | Hellson | valdyn, ive got a ati radeon 7000 |
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| 07:28.15 | valdyn | Hellson: ugly.. radeon 7000 tv-out isnt well supported |
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| 07:28.24 | Hellson | i know :/ |
| 07:28.31 | liable | or at all i dont think. |
| 07:29.16 | Hellson | i've been told DRI which ment nothing to me.... |
| 07:29.22 | Hellson | thats all i was told DRI |
| 07:29.30 | valdyn | Hellson: i suppose you'd best google ati tvout. There's a tool to switch tvout on and off |
| 07:29.53 | sengir37 | Hellson: DRI is the open source way to get 3d acceleration |
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| 07:30.16 | sengir37 | Hellson: The radeon 7000 has DRI support, but that isn't strictly relevant to tv out. |
| 07:30.34 | Drakeson | how can I setup mediawiki? (apt-get installed it, now I have the config page, but don't know what to put in the database user/pass fields) |
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| 07:31.19 | liberty | migrate messsages "Invision Board 1.2(U)" -> "Drupal 4.63?" -- anyone? |
| 07:31.26 | Drakeson | should I try to configure mysql first? or it should have been taken care of via apt-get |
| 07:31.45 | nevyn | Drakeson: it will have been installed and configured as a depends most likely? |
| 07:31.48 | jm_ | does it have README.Debian* file? might be worth reading |
| 07:31.49 | liberty | i guess manually I gotta do it |
| 07:31.53 | nevyn | Drakeson: read the mysql docs |
| 07:31.54 | Beik | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.21 | liberty | make em all anonymous |
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| 07:32.51 | Azar | jm_ the nvidia README document can be found and read at the nvidia site as .txt if you refer to that README one |
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| 07:33.00 | jm_ | Azar: no I don't |
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| 07:33.03 | Linspy | anyone ever had trouble installing KDE themes? |
| 07:33.07 | Azar | oh sorry, ok |
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| 07:34.13 | cesz | hey peeps!!!!!!!! |
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| 07:39.47 | dorto | say i want to start the debian isntallation from floppy disk. why do i get only ftp and http options to set apt sources? i got 'Edit by hand' option also when i booted with cd-rom |
| 07:40.13 | Azar | nice article at arstechnica: Editing Audio in Linux http://arstechnica.com/guides/tweaks/linux-audio.ars it mentions Etch too. |
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| 07:41.41 | dorto | by using 'edit by hand' i want to dump the debian cd on local network and give its ip address: deb http://192.168.128.x/debian/cd1 |
| 07:41.43 | Drakeson | I am thinking of moving to debian (from ubuntu). is there a good kde package in debian (3.4.2-3.4.3)? |
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| 07:43.24 | Drakeson | [recent] kde anyone? |
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| 07:43.47 | Horde | ugh is there any faster way of Downloading the debian binary .iso's? |
| 07:43.56 | liable | Drakeson: not on sarge, no. 3.4 is only in unstable atm. |
| 07:44.08 | liable | Horde: jigdo |
| 07:44.11 | RevolutionOs | hi i need help i have a sarge 3.1 box and is impossible install any package... |
| 07:44.17 | bonz | Horde: a drive too your local debian cd stockist :) |
| 07:44.20 | litage_ | Horde: bittorrent's generally the fastest method |
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| 07:44.53 | Drakeson | liable: how is unstable now? is it _stable_ enough (not for mission critical usage)? |
| 07:44.54 | Horde | heh i thaught as much, ah well looks like ill be waiting 40 mins for each of about 9 cd's |
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| 07:45.43 | Eiscreme | hi |
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| 07:45.43 | liable | Drakeson: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 07:45.43 | bonz | umm why do you need 9? |
| 07:45.43 | lib_ivb-drupal | rsync might be quicker |
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| 07:45.44 | Drakeson | is dpkg the bot here? |
| 07:45.44 | Eiscreme | how can I unpack the "query.sql.gz" file which I got from phpMyAdmin ? |
| 07:45.44 | Eiscreme | it should contain an SQL file |
| 07:45.44 | liable | Drakeson: yes |
| 07:45.45 | Horde | hang on 4 |
| 07:45.48 | RevolutionOs | someone help me |
| 07:45.55 | Horde | or 5 |
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| 07:46.30 | Azar | RevolutionOs, possible your url links in your /etc/apt/sources.list are not correct spelled |
| 07:46.39 | Horde | lol just patience eh bonz? |
| 07:46.54 | Zvpun | ssh -v says: services_accepted: ssh-userauth. Does that mean, that the server will only accept keys but no passwords? |
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| 07:47.14 | bonz | Horde: nope nopatience ere :) |
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| 07:47.23 | Azar | RevolutionOs, familiarize yourself with apt here: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 07:47.28 | RevolutionOs | look my problems http://pastebin.com/392011 |
| 07:47.50 | RevolutionOs | my source.list are fine look the pastebin |
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| 07:48.14 | Azar | RevolutionOs, anything else gets installed? |
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| 07:48.16 | Horde | heh well i know how you feel. i had to wait a week for my blank CD's to arrive. i was going insane |
| 07:48.53 | woodland | why cant i play songs online using real player |
| 07:48.53 | RevolutionOs | no |
| 07:48.59 | Azar | RevolutionOs, some packages are not ment for Sarge, if you aim to a higher version, not supported in Sarge you will get such errors |
| 07:49.24 | RevolutionOs | uhmm... and the solutions is? |
| 07:49.28 | Azar | if you really want THAT version you might want to venture in "etch" or "sid" |
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| 07:49.56 | Azar | ..or wait until Sarge will support that version you need |
| 07:50.03 | r3tex | is there a "debian way" of making backups? |
| 07:50.05 | dorto | RevolutionOs, i think by mistake you have asked some packages to be 'held'(=) to their current versions and hence debian is not able to upgrade them to higher versions needed by apache2 |
| 07:50.18 | HyperStream | will the default sarge install i have of debian 2.6.8 will that support amd64 by default so i can recompile my 2.6.12.5 kerne;? |
| 07:50.43 | bonz | or install & compile from source and break everything properly :) |
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| 07:50.50 | RevolutionOs | yes sarge support the apache2 version |
| 07:50.57 | dorto | RevolutionOs, maybe you can use aptitude and remove = from the packages reported |
| 07:51.08 | RevolutionOs | uhmmm how? |
| 07:51.14 | Azar | yeah like dorto said.. :) |
| 07:51.45 | dorto | RevolutionOs, run aptitude and then press ? for help; press enter to dismiss the help dialog |
| 07:51.47 | Azar | aptitude manages dependencies better than apt-get |
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| 07:52.07 | RevolutionOs | hte same problmes |
| 07:52.18 | RevolutionOs | the same problems |
| 07:52.27 | RevolutionOs | ,( |
| 07:52.48 | Azar | maybe like dorto said, your apt is instructed to hold back some packages or versions |
| 07:53.04 | RevolutionOs | ok |
| 07:53.11 | lib_ivb-drupal | line one# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20050607)]/ unstable contrib main line two#deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib no problem installing Apache2 |
| 07:53.25 | RevolutionOs | no |
| 07:53.33 | RevolutionOs | please help me |
| 07:53.53 | Horde | uhh they are... |
| 07:54.02 | Azar | RevolutionOs, try aptitude update then aptitude upgrade, then try again using aptitude to install your package |
| 07:54.28 | Horde | woo 33 mins till first cd get here |
| 07:54.36 | Horde | =) |
| 07:54.44 | Azar | lib_ivb-drupal, you are using UNSTABLE, he is using Sarge. |
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| 07:54.53 | bonz | Horde: noone near you have a mirror? |
| 07:55.09 | lib_ivb-drupal | Azar Sarge is STABLE now read the DOCS |
| 07:55.19 | lib_ivb-drupal | woody used to be ^^ |
| 07:55.23 | Horde | im in nz |
| 07:55.39 | lib_ivb-drupal | Azar, they changed the directory structure also |
| 07:55.44 | Azar | lib_ivb-drupal, what is with that /unstable contrib main on your first comment? |
| 07:55.45 | Horde | or as i like to call it, middle of nowhere |
| 07:55.56 | bonz | surely you are not the only kiwi that uses debian? |
| 07:55.57 | Azar | lib_ivb-drupal I know |
| 07:56.00 | RevolutionOs | http://pastebin.com/392014 |
| 07:56.03 | RevolutionOs | uhmmm |
| 07:56.07 | Horde | at this time of night :P |
| 07:56.18 | lib_ivb-drupal | Azar, that is the way the DVD came. I asked this question 3-4 days ago |
| 07:56.19 | Horde | oh crap its only 9 |
| 07:56.21 | bonz | admittedlymost of themseem too be over here in aus |
| 07:56.24 | RevolutionOs | yes i have 9 hours in this trouble |
| 07:56.44 | Horde | oh you live in the oz? |
| 07:56.53 | lib_ivb-drupal | Azar I *think* it's cause Sarge *used* to be unstable |
| 07:57.01 | Azar | so there is no such package offered by sarge apaches2-common |
| 07:57.02 | lib_ivb-drupal | and a typo |
| 07:57.09 | Horde | what part? |
| 07:57.21 | bonz | if you can call it live |
| 07:57.33 | bonz | I usually amout bush |
| 07:57.39 | Azar | RevolutionOs, are you sure the package is called apaches2 ? |
| 07:57.40 | bonz | in the nt mostly |
| 07:57.44 | Eiscreme | Horde: do you deal with the horde project? (php script for Email accounts) |
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| 07:57.52 | lib_ivb-drupal | apache2-common yep |
| 07:58.00 | RevolutionOs | Azar apache2-common |
| 07:58.05 | Horde | oh |
| 07:58.05 | bonz | currently inmetro perth till I can get some upgrades, etc through |
| 07:58.07 | Azar | lib_ivb-drupal, I was asking RevolutionOs, not you |
| 07:58.08 | dorto | RevolutionOs, in that paste, you typed apaches |
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| 07:58.14 | Horde | lol not that i know of.. |
| 07:58.19 | dorto | it should be apache |
| 07:58.22 | Eiscreme | Horde: i c :) |
| 07:58.23 | Azar | RevolutionOs, then you misspelled, try again |
| 07:58.28 | lib_ivb-drupal | next generation scalable, extendable, webserver |
| 07:58.31 | Horde | eiscreme: /\ |
| 07:58.38 | RevolutionOs | okok sorry |
| 07:58.57 | Horde | bonz:wow living on the move... |
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| 07:59.26 | lib_ivb-drupal | Azar, also the first comment was the DVD's comment. I didn't add it. savvy? |
| 08:00.01 | bonz | Horde: can be tricky,but I manage with my multi month outdated sid & backup woody notebooks |
| 08:00.34 | lib_ivb-drupal | 2005, 06, 07 |
| 08:00.40 | bonz | they don't like the vibrations & red dust much |
| 08:01.19 | lib_ivb-drupal | if she burns a new dvd now, it will probably say stable or sarge |
| 08:01.25 | RevolutionOs | uhmmm |
| 08:01.27 | Horde | bonz:hahaha, so we meant to feel sory for you ? |
| 08:01.35 | Horde | oh i do so much mis that red dust |
| 08:01.37 | RevolutionOs | the server no up |
| 08:01.38 | Horde | miss* |
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| 08:03.08 | RevolutionOs | argghhh look that http://pastebin.com/392020 |
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| 08:04.25 | bonz | Horde: yup:) |
| 08:05.03 | DwyaneWade | How can I know exactly what Debian distribution I am on? |
| 08:05.23 | RevolutionOs | uhhf is incredible |
| 08:05.29 | Horde | lol, hey does debian support iTunes? |
| 08:05.39 | RevolutionOs | my distro is corrupt |
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| 08:05.56 | RevolutionOs | my love debian box is corrupt |
| 08:05.59 | RevolutionOs | ahgggggg |
| 08:06.05 | RevolutionOs | give a gun |
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| 08:06.18 | lib_ivb-drupal | 12G or 45ACP? |
| 08:06.20 | RevolutionOs | ,( |
| 08:06.30 | lib_ivb-drupal | 50MM? |
| 08:06.32 | RevolutionOs | uffff 22.... |
| 08:06.40 | RevolutionOs | uffff 22MM |
| 08:06.49 | lib_ivb-drupal | tryin to load your pastebin |
| 08:07.27 | DwyaneWade | Anyone knows how can I to see what Sarge version I have? |
| 08:07.31 | RevolutionOs | ok letme a second the incredible-box is rebooting |
| 08:07.37 | jm_ | there is only one version of Sarge |
| 08:07.58 | RevolutionOs | 3.1 |
| 08:08.19 | bonz | arrgh crappy microsoft page crashed moz |
| 08:08.22 | DwyaneWade | jm_ I read that the latest is Sarge 3.1 r0a |
| 08:08.31 | liable | installer.. |
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| 08:09.16 | lib_ivb-drupal | can't load pastebin. oh well. |
| 08:09.25 | lib_ivb-drupal | must be blocked. |
| 08:09.27 | lib_ivb-drupal | heh |
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| 08:09.49 | tygore | for mediawiki, do I need to have mysql installed or php4-mysql suffices? |
| 08:09.50 | drp | I just installed an app via apt-get but I don't know the command to launch it |
| 08:09.56 | drp | how can I find it |
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| 08:10.06 | drp | I've tried all the obvious |
| 08:10.07 | DwyaneWade | in bin somewhere |
| 08:10.18 | DwyaneWade | it usually takes me 10 minutes to find it |
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| 08:10.52 | Horde | so is iTunes supported by debian? |
| 08:11.01 | DwyaneWade | drp isn't it in /usr/bin ? |
| 08:11.03 | dimir | Morning. |
| 08:11.18 | Azar | drp for example if you install irssi with apt-get irssi-text, the command to launch it is : irssi |
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| 08:11.38 | Guerin | Horde: it can't be, because it's proprietary to apple. there are some unofficial programs which apparently work, but if they don't, that's tough. |
| 08:11.54 | drp | I installed dia-common and dia-libs |
| 08:12.00 | drp | where dia is NOT the command |
| 08:12.03 | Azar | err ** apt get install irssi-text ** < corrrection |
| 08:12.24 | jm_ | DwyaneWade: yes, but that's what you get if you install it now |
| 08:12.30 | Azar | drp then it is not about an executable program |
| 08:12.51 | lib_ivb-drupal | drp try dia <tab><tab> |
| 08:12.58 | lib_ivb-drupal | in bash |
| 08:13.00 | DwyaneWade | jm_ so I installed mine some months ago and I want to see exactly the version. How to do that? |
| 08:13.02 | dorto | is it easy to connect a USB adapter/dongle and start transferring files between Debian and my mobile phone? |
| 08:13.07 | bonz | Azar: aptitude install irssi-text |
| 08:13.09 | dorto | (don't ask me to define 'easy' :D) |
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| 08:13.25 | Azar | bonz, yes I could use aptitude as well |
| 08:13.37 | drp | lib_ivb-drupal: doesn't seem to have it there |
| 08:13.47 | lib_ivb-drupal | drp also if that still don't find it that way try rebuilddb and wait for it |
| 08:14.06 | bonz | dorto: depends on computer, user, phone & configuration of all the previous |
| 08:14.08 | jm_ | DwyaneWade: 3.1 r0a only has fixes for /etc/apt/sources.list ... |
| 08:14.11 | Guerin | dorto: how should we know a) what kind of phoen you have b) what protocol it speaks c) what's easy for you |
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| 08:14.36 | Guerin | dorto: in my experience, all cellphones have appalling free software support |
| 08:14.37 | dorto | my phone: nokia 3660 (supports bluetooth and IrDA) |
| 08:14.48 | DwyaneWade | jm_ so there is no command to show the version to me? or some kind of readme file or such? |
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| 08:14.56 | Guerin | as in: they Just Don't Work, because the manufacturer Just Doesn't Give A Fuck |
| 08:15.03 | dorto | lol |
| 08:15.08 | lib_ivb-drupal | then try again, which dia, locate dia, di <tab><tab> ; seems like dia is Diagram, a drawing tool? |
| 08:15.21 | jm_ | DwyaneWade: cat /etc/debian_version, what I am trying to get into you rhead is that the difference between 3.1 r0 and r0a is not detectable by that |
| 08:15.33 | lib_ivb-drupal | for electronics? |
| 08:15.35 | dorto | Dia to me is UML modeling tool |
| 08:15.42 | dorto | it does a lot more though |
| 08:15.44 | caphuso | DwyaneWade: look on what's printed on the CD |
| 08:15.45 | lib_ivb-drupal | ahh I knew I recognised it. |
| 08:16.00 | caphuso | that's the only place where it matters anyway |
| 08:16.05 | DwyaneWade | caphuso: it was net install |
| 08:16.16 | lib_ivb-drupal | obviously i don't use it, but I have installed it before. |
| 08:16.32 | caphuso | DwyaneWade: then it's meaningless for you in any case |
| 08:16.43 | bonz | caphuso: made in china :) |
| 08:16.45 | DwyaneWade | all right _jm that's what i was looking for. not for now but in 5 years time, if i keep the current system intact i will still want to see the version |
| 08:16.58 | jm_ | DwyaneWade: right |
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| 08:18.25 | brosioz | anyone could me explain the main difference from apache2 and apache1.33 ? |
| 08:18.41 | Azar | :) http://media.arstechnica.com/guides/tweaks/linux-audio.media/snd_inigui_ss.jpg |
| 08:18.45 | lib_ivb-drupal | drp if you downlaoded the file to /var/cache/apt somewhere or whatever, you could PHYSICALLY look at the /bin /sbin directory IN the archive. |
| 08:19.03 | lib_ivb-drupal | even if it's source you should get an idea where the binary went. |
| 08:19.05 | streuner | brosioz: apache 2 is newer ;-) |
| 08:19.10 | Azar | the comment was: you call that an interface? |
| 08:19.12 | lib_ivb-drupal | mc on it |
| 08:19.12 | drp | lib_ivb-drupal: the command is supposed to be dia |
| 08:19.22 | drp | lib_ivb-drupal: but it's not showing up after I install it |
| 08:19.23 | brosioz | streuner, but is secure like 1.33 ? |
| 08:19.35 | Guerin | brosioz: it's secure enough for apache.org |
| 08:19.42 | Horde | yay 8 mins to go |
| 08:19.49 | Guerin | then again |
| 08:19.49 | lib_ivb-drupal | then run mc and look at it and find out if dia even existed. |
| 08:19.55 | Guerin | php5 is good enough for php.net |
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| 08:20.03 | lib_ivb-drupal | maybe you need a wget -c dia.deb |
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| 08:20.23 | lib_ivb-drupal | lotta files get corrupted in download |
| 08:20.28 | bonz | php5? I haven't even upgrade to php4 yet |
| 08:20.33 | Guerin | haha |
| 08:20.46 | lib_ivb-drupal | md5sum it |
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| 08:20.53 | streuner | bonz: what do you use? |
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| 08:21.54 | bonz | streuner: apache 1.3 & php3 on sid |
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| 08:22.05 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 08:22.14 | streuner | heh |
| 08:22.24 | caphuso | isn't php3 a security disaster waiting to happen? |
| 08:22.36 | bonz | Guerin: no fire here |
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| 08:23.26 | dorto | is /ctcp version allowed on this channel :D |
| 08:23.33 | bonz | caphuso: if you are connected too a network maybe,but given I'm usually 2000k's from nearest comms usually, imnot too concerned |
| 08:23.39 | dorto | to see how many use which irc client |
| 08:23.50 | streuner | dorto: nopee |
| 08:23.54 | streuner | dorto: nope |
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| 08:23.57 | dorto | ok |
| 08:24.03 | Horde | oh the life of the desert |
| 08:24.07 | caphuso | bonz: then what's the point in using php? |
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| 08:24.23 | bonz | nonot desert, lovelky bush :) |
| 08:24.24 | dorto | i use php4 and apache2 but until now failed to configure either perl or python modules with apache2 |
| 08:24.28 | dorto | :( |
| 08:24.34 | Horde | oh mybad, evfen better |
| 08:24.35 | lib_ivb-drupal | telnet 6667 |
| 08:24.39 | bonz | & thermalpools |
| 08:24.45 | Horde | more trees to hide behind huh? |
| 08:25.09 | liable | spinifex fairies! |
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| 08:26.48 | bonz | most charge by the byte though & some by time as well |
| 08:27.04 | Horde | heh now that i think about it, you are probably in the perfect hacker position... |
| 08:27.11 | Horde | bonz/\ |
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| 08:27.48 | bonz | Horde: I dont see how? |
| 08:28.05 | bonz | nonetwork means nothing too hack |
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| 08:28.42 | Horde | bonz: maybe, but if you get sat then u are too far from anywhere for anyone to care to come after you... |
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| 08:29.13 | poison | hi, Is there a way I can limit the amount of fork()'s per user? So that users can only run one background process? |
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| 08:30.33 | bonz | Horde: possibly one reason its so overpriced |
| 08:31.01 | amphi | poison: limits.conf perhaps |
| 08:32.04 | Horde | probly |
| 08:32.43 | Horde | yay first CD finished DLing |
| 08:33.26 | poison | amphi: thanks |
| 08:33.55 | Horde | nother 4 to go = ) |
| 08:34.00 | poison | and is there a way to limit the listen()'s per user. I mean that only one ip can be used by the users and all the rest can only be used by root? |
| 08:34.10 | dorto | cd/dvds are available for cheap rates in atleast US like countries i thought(for those with slow internet connections like me) |
| 08:34.24 | dorto | i get it through my friend who has got a good connection |
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| 08:35.20 | Horde | omfg |
| 08:35.39 | Horde | ok anyone had problems witht the YENTA_SOCKET ? |
| 08:35.56 | Azar | wow I just found out about this: Hotplug Blacklists obsolete. Marco d'Itri reported that the new hotplug and coldplug subsystem that has been integrated into udev cannot handle the former blacklisting of modules anymore but only its own. He later added that he has implemented support for user-supplied files in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ in modprobe. |
| 08:36.55 | RevolutionOs | heyyy |
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| 08:37.05 | dorto | which is the most debian-friendly wireless pci lan card(not adapter) available in the market? |
| 08:37.11 | RevolutionOs | look that http://pastebin.com/392032 |
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| 08:38.57 | RevolutionOs | Azar the apache2 is installed but now this is another problems |
| 08:39.02 | Guerin | dorto: look at a linux kernel HCL |
| 08:39.04 | Guerin | !hcl |
| 08:39.04 | dpkg | i guess hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ |
| 08:39.08 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:39.13 | w3rdn4 | what is PPP ? |
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| 08:39.19 | w3rdn4 | Does a ethernet card use PPP? |
| 08:39.22 | dorto | ok |
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| 08:40.13 | liable | w3rdn4: google pppoe |
| 08:40.20 | Frz | hi |
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| 08:41.11 | jimmyw | heyas all, im a novice debian user and im trying to run a python script but i get errors saying : perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 08:41.12 | jimmyw | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.12 | jimmyw | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.12 | jimmyw | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.12 | jimmyw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:41.28 | Frz | i got a problem: as a user i can't type curly bracktes under x, it works fine as root (i got a german keyboard layout) |
| 08:41.29 | jimmyw | anyone know what i can do to correct this? |
| 08:42.06 | poison | is there a tool that checks the binaries and their checksums to detect possible exploits or rootkits? |
| 08:42.09 | Guerin | !hcl is also see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel |
| 08:42.10 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 08:42.16 | poison | I think there was but I forgot the name |
| 08:42.21 | klarakarl | Can anyone help I need an initrd for evms and 2.6.13 (there is no devfs in 2.6.13 |
| 08:42.21 | klarakarl | ) |
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| 08:42.38 | Azar | a nice howto "An introduction to Debian networking setup" for whomever needs: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 |
| 08:43.24 | Guerin | jimmyw: don't fucking paste |
| 08:43.25 | Horde | shot azar just answered a question i was just about to ask :P |
| 08:43.42 | Guerin | jimmyw: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:44.18 | Guerin | poison: chkrootkit, rkhunter |
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| 08:44.25 | Azar | Horde I was just browsing for Debian news.. |
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| 08:44.42 | Guerin | poison: if yours comes up positive, check the BTS entry - chkrootkit is know to throw false-positives |
| 08:44.59 | w3rdn4 | does debian have Linux's FastRoute feature |
| 08:45.01 | poison | Guerin: what's BTS? |
| 08:45.30 | Horde | lol, and yesterday i found about 12 hard-to0get programs searching for some homewaork stuff |
| 08:46.20 | Horde | (d4rk4ng3l) |
| 08:46.21 | Guerin | poison: /topic |
| 08:46.26 | Horde | homework* |
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| 08:46.49 | Guerin | w3rdn4: what kernel config option is it? |
| 08:46.52 | poison | aha thanks :) |
| 08:47.17 | emrojo | i'm doing a document with docbook |
| 08:47.17 | w3rdn4 | 2.6 |
| 08:47.21 | w3rdn4 | 2.6.x |
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| 08:47.33 | Guerin | w3rdn4: if it's in mainline 2.6, then the answer is probably yes. |
| 08:47.42 | Guerin | w3rdn4: you still didn't answer my question. |
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| 08:47.46 | Squarepants | what does the message 'loading linuxEBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage' during booting? |
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| 08:48.06 | Horde | OH i know its probly not the right place to be asking, but i am programing a rotdecyoher program |
| 08:48.15 | emrojo | but column widths in table don't span well when I convert to other formats like DVI or PDF |
| 08:48.20 | w3rdn4 | Guerin, multimedia-k7 configure |
| 08:48.25 | lkcore | where is gnome-terminal profiles info stored? |
| 08:48.34 | w3rdn4 | I need a small kernel instead of that one ARg. |
| 08:48.38 | Horde | anyone know anything about what i should be doing? |
| 08:48.48 | Guerin | w3rdn4: none of this means anything to me. |
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| 08:49.04 | w3rdn4 | that might be why I could not answer your question |
| 08:49.15 | w3rdn4 | what do you mean by configure? |
| 08:49.32 | Guerin | w3rdn4: if you don't know that, there's no point in continuing this conversation. |
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| 08:49.51 | kab00m | hi folks |
| 08:49.53 | w3rdn4 | sounds good |
| 08:50.08 | Azar | w3rdn4, to configure means to pick from a list the features/drivers/modules that most suit your hardware profile. |
| 08:50.10 | Guerin | w3rdn4: i suggest you find out if this feature is in mainline 2.6, and if it is, which config option it is. |
| 08:50.11 | poison | are there some good sites out there about debian security ? I mean I want to make my server 'secure' so that local users can't mess too much by creating background processes etc |
| 08:50.14 | bibe | hi kab00m |
| 08:50.28 | Guerin | w3rdn4: when you can telll us that, we can tell you if it's enabled in debian kernels. |
| 08:50.44 | Guerin | poison: aptitude install harden-doc |
| 08:51.25 | w3rdn4 | Guerin, are there better methods than using ipmasq ? |
| 08:51.30 | poison | thanks Guerin |
| 08:51.31 | kab00m | trying to compile ieee80211 via module-assistant i get the error : "dpkg-deb: packetname includes signs which are not lowercase, digits or >>+-.<<" (sorry for my poor translation). does anybody know how to fix this? |
| 08:51.46 | kab00m | btw. hi bibe :) |
| 08:52.02 | amphi | kab00m: compile it yourself? |
| 08:52.36 | kab00m | amphi, i would like to avoid that because using .deb's is much more cleaner |
| 08:52.46 | Guerin | w3rdn4: better methods of WHAT? |
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| 08:53.14 | w3rdn4 | setting up a router/firewall for a home network |
| 08:53.28 | Guerin | kab00m: make sure you name the package something which only includes lowercase letters, numbers and +-. |
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| 08:53.48 | Guerin | w3rdn4: firehol or shorewall might be good for you |
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| 08:55.03 | amphi | kab00m: the src tarball contains scripts to install and remove the built modules |
| 08:55.24 | amphi | kab00m: so you lose little by not using module-assistant |
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| 08:58.23 | coywolf | what is us? We are creatures living in LKML! |
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| 09:00.33 | Horde | shit waht is that command |
| 09:00.51 | Horde | that you use to start the desktop |
| 09:00.53 | Horde | man |
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| 09:01.00 | Horde | worst time to forget stuff... |
| 09:01.23 | wickedpuppy | startx ... |
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| 09:02.28 | Horde | THATSTHEONE |
| 09:02.32 | Horde | thx |
| 09:02.32 | Horde | lol |
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| 09:04.45 | Blackhold | hello |
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| 09:05.35 | Blackhold | how can I recover a mysql database from log files? I need the last sentences that I've made in the last 3 days, I have the logs |
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| 09:06.55 | Blackhold | hello? |
| 09:07.17 | Blackhold | there's somebody in the appareil? |
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| 09:08.16 | liable | zzz.. |
| 09:08.18 | mooshie | in the whoo? |
| 09:08.55 | Blackhold | please I need some help :_ |
| 09:09.06 | Blackhold | I shall/must to recover the database |
| 09:09.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell Blackhold -about ask |
| 09:09.34 | Blackhold | I 've lost the information since thrusday, but I have the log with the last sentences |
| 09:09.51 | dondelelcaro | Blackhold: if you've got the logfile, just parse it and shoot it back into mysql. |
| 09:10.02 | mooshie | true that |
| 09:10.03 | dondelelcaro | Blackhold: of course, you should just restore from backups or recover the database. |
| 09:10.43 | dondelelcaro | Blackhold: talk to #mysql if you need more details |
| 09:10.53 | Blackhold | I'm still there |
| 09:11.22 | mooshie | Qt 3.3 is taking lots of time to install =O |
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| 09:12.40 | mooshie | So in your opinion, is Sarge or Sid the better distro? |
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| 09:13.50 | amphi | mooshie: that's the sort of question that makes people gasp and stretch their eyes |
| 09:14.01 | mooshie | I know |
| 09:14.09 | mooshie | but i'm asking for an Opinion |
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| 09:14.38 | liable | nope, thats a poll! |
| 09:14.54 | mooshie | well poll, opinion, same crap, different pile |
| 09:14.56 | amphi | !confuse mooshie |
| 09:14.58 | dpkg | Yes, where is their gouda today, mooshie? trousers of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
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| 09:15.19 | dondelelcaro | mooshie: if you have to ask, you should be using sarge. |
| 09:15.38 | dondelelcaro | which one is better doesn't even enter into the equation. |
| 09:15.49 | intero | how can i search for a string in a text file, assuming this text file is in ~/doc or one of its subdirectories? |
| 09:16.03 | sengir37 | intero: man grep |
| 09:16.17 | mooshie | well actually im just on stable |
| 09:16.21 | dondelelcaro | find ~/doc -type f -print0|xargs -0 grep foostring |
| 09:16.32 | dondelelcaro | man find; man xargs; man grep. |
| 09:16.40 | intero | thanks alot dondelelcaro |
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| 09:18.08 | DetectiveInspekt | Hi I want to access webpages on this computer through ssh to my uni computers |
| 09:18.18 | DetectiveInspekt | is it possible? |
| 09:18.42 | wickedpuppy | actually yes ... ssh + links2 or lynx |
| 09:19.01 | wickedpuppy | maybe rdesktop support ssh ... that no idea |
| 09:19.09 | DetectiveInspekt | yea I use linux when I am in |
| 09:19.18 | Guerin | ssh -X |
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| 09:19.25 | DetectiveInspekt | ? |
| 09:19.34 | Guerin | also consider -C |
| 09:19.40 | Guerin | DetectiveInspekt: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 09:19.45 | DetectiveInspekt | oh can I re-route X to this computer at home? |
| 09:19.55 | DetectiveInspekt | whats that do? |
| 09:20.24 | DetectiveInspekt | oh sorry |
| 09:20.32 | Guerin | DetectiveInspekt: just read the factoid, and the manpage for ssh if you're unclear |
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| 09:22.25 | CAiRO | if i want to access all my mail in our lan, which imap server should i use? and is there a way around using fetchmail and having to configure the pop3 accounts outside the mail client? |
| 09:22.25 | Scognito | hi |
| 09:23.20 | wickedpuppy | which imap server ?? doesn't it sound like the question for the network admin ?? |
| 09:23.37 | Scognito | i've switched from a working nvidia card to a matroxg400...i'm using xorg and i enabled dri,glx and dri section in xorg.conf, but when i launch glxgears or other 3d app i get: |
| 09:23.40 | Scognito | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 09:23.40 | Scognito | glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual. |
| 09:23.47 | Scognito | what am i missing? |
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| 09:27.16 | Blackhold | please could some one give some help on mysqlbinlog please? |
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| 09:27.36 | CAiRO | wickedpuppy: in a lan with like 4 or 5 compuers? |
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| 09:28.05 | wickedpuppy | then i assume you are the one in charge ? |
| 09:28.22 | bwana147 | Scognito: what video card, what driver ... ? |
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| 09:28.37 | Scognito | ops sorry...i forget important thing |
| 09:28.37 | bwana147 | sorry |
| 09:28.41 | Scognito | matrox g400 |
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| 09:28.50 | Scognito | doh i sayed it |
| 09:28.53 | Scognito | stoned² |
| 09:29.00 | CAiRO | wickedpuppy: yes, well, i guess everybody is in charge of their own emails more or less |
| 09:29.00 | Scognito | mga default driver |
| 09:29.17 | bwana147 | Scognito: no, no, *I* missed the important part |
| 09:29.34 | CAiRO | wickedpuppy: i just don't know which of the 4 imap server i should use, dovecot, uwimapd, courier, cyrus (and probably there are more) |
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| 09:29.56 | bwana147 | Scognito: do you use more than one monitor ? |
| 09:30.07 | Scognito | bwana147, no |
| 09:30.09 | Scognito | only one |
| 09:30.10 | CAiRO | wickedpuppy: from the short descriptions from apt-get show i can't really tell the difference between them |
| 09:30.24 | dondelelcaro | CAiRO: I'd personally use dovecot; but the others should work unless you're using offlineimap |
| 09:30.28 | wickedpuppy | then why not try one by one ? |
| 09:30.29 | bwana147 | my setup would switch 3d accel off when more than one monitor, but it is using an ATI chip |
| 09:30.39 | wickedpuppy | or shut them down one by one till only one is alive ? |
| 09:30.58 | CAiRO | dondelelcaro: thanks, i'll try that one |
| 09:30.59 | Scognito | it is very strange |
| 09:31.07 | Scognito | i never had a problem like this |
| 09:31.11 | bwana147 | same thing when running several X servers on different consoles |
| 09:31.17 | Scognito | i'm using debian kernel 2.6.12 and udev |
| 09:31.21 | CAiRO | wickedpuppy: because i can think of other more interesting way to spend my time.. anyway, thanks a lot |
| 09:31.28 | bwana147 | I'm afraid I can't help |
| 09:32.07 | Scognito | bwana147, tnx anyway |
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| 09:35.20 | boris | hello, can someone tell me how to stop apt-get update running ? the network configuration of this machine is wrong and it is taking ages to fail, I need to change it |
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| 09:36.32 | liable | boris: ctrl -c |
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| 09:38.09 | boris | hurrah! thanks |
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| 09:41.01 | SimonRaven | good morning, ka miwapan, bon matin |
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| 09:41.31 | Horde | ohayogozaimasu |
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| 09:41.52 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 09:42.15 | SimonRaven | english, cree, french, and japanese. neat :) |
| 09:43.15 | Horde | lol |
| 09:43.26 | Horde | i onyl know a lil and im going soon |
| 09:43.28 | Horde | only* |
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| 09:47.56 | bwana147 | SimonRaven: "bon matin" denotes an English speaker trying to speak French :-) |
| 09:48.04 | deadcat | SimonRaven: whats the latest j2re for ppc? |
| 09:48.22 | SimonRaven | bwana147: i've never used 'bon matin' in normal circumstances |
| 09:48.34 | bwana147 | SimonRaven: nobody does |
| 09:48.43 | SimonRaven | i know ;) |
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| 09:50.00 | SimonRaven | non, c'est sur, c'est pas comme tu m'a recontre face a face, heh |
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| 09:50.53 | SimonRaven | deadcat: *shrug*. i've used 1.4.2, from ibm. no browser plugin though |
| 09:51.21 | deadcat | oh |
| 09:51.30 | deadcat | SimonRaven: what about like limewire? |
| 09:51.42 | SimonRaven | i don't use the stuff |
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| 09:53.49 | SimonRaven | T="[SECURITY] [DSA 865-1] New hylafax packages fix insecure temporary files" |
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| 09:54.04 | ircdevil | how very peculiar? when printing from cupsys to this brother printer, there is always printet a cover page saying "Top Secret". what is this crap? |
| 09:54.21 | SimonRaven | turn cover pages off |
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| 09:56.13 | ircdevil | SimonRaven: ah, found it. how funky! |
| 09:56.59 | dvsdude | hey all upgrade my debian system I know have a problem woth cdrecord thru k3b it appears to be a permissions issue if i run as root I can burn np any suggestions?? |
| 09:57.32 | valdyn | dvsdude: add yourself to the group cdrom |
| 09:57.46 | dvsdude | yes and also in burning group |
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| 09:57.49 | liable | dvsdude: dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord. |
| 09:58.02 | valdyn | dvsdude: and verify that your cdrom device has proper permissions |
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| 09:58.13 | dvsdude | ok will try |
| 09:58.44 | valdyn | dvsdude: there's no 'burning' group iirc |
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| 09:59.26 | dvsdude | valydyn: created one but and still cdrom group |
| 09:59.57 | SimonRaven | root:cdrom 660 is fine |
| 10:00.36 | bill | I have just installed ubuntu but can get no sound at all - has anyone a suggestion as to where i should start to look for the problem |
| 10:00.48 | valdyn | bill: by joining #ubuntu |
| 10:00.49 | liable | yes #ubuntu :) |
| 10:00.49 | orjan | to get gphoto2 to run as non root..is there any standard group like audio for sound? |
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| 10:01.29 | SimonRaven | video usually |
| 10:01.38 | SimonRaven | or camera |
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| 10:02.40 | orjan | SimonRaven: and it takes care of rights for usb as well? |
| 10:03.07 | SimonRaven | if configured as such i suppose. |
| 10:03.07 | valdyn | orjan: why dont you 'ls -l /dev/yourcamera |
| 10:03.35 | orjan | valdyn: no found |
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| 10:03.50 | valdyn | orjan: NOT literally, i dont know what your camera device is |
| 10:04.08 | orjan | valdyn: duh to early.. |
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| 10:05.15 | dvsdude | liable: set no siud root on cdrecord but no luck I now get buffer underrun errors I reduced burn speed but no go |
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| 10:05.52 | valdyn | dvsdude: what kind of computer are you using? what is *really* the error message? |
| 10:06.07 | valdyn | dvsdude: on something from the last few years buffer underruns just dont happen |
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| 10:07.30 | dockane | hi all.. i would like to print tiff images from shell. what command line program would you recommend for converting to postscript ? |
| 10:07.47 | valdyn | !find tiff2ps |
| 10:07.53 | dvsdude | valdyn: xp2500 was all good until upgrade couple days ago. error messge is now mkisofs did not exit cleanly , can burn as root user can burn running kdesu k3b |
| 10:07.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tiff2ps' (1): (/usr/bin/tiff2ps) in graphics/libtiff-tools. |
| 10:08.05 | SimonRaven | nice |
| 10:08.28 | dvsdude | valydn: then buffer underrun use lower speed but hey 2x is as low as i go |
| 10:08.45 | valdyn | dvsdude: i need the literal error message |
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| 10:09.20 | valdyn | dvsdude: what did you upgrade? |
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| 10:10.01 | valdyn | dvsdude: modern cd burners should all know burnfree too to avoid buffer underruns |
| 10:10.06 | valdyn | dvsdude: modern cd burners should all know burnfree too to compensate buffer underruns |
| 10:10.11 | dvsdude | valydyn; full debian upgrade |
| 10:10.20 | SimonRaven | meaning? |
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| 10:10.28 | valdyn | !vagueness |
| 10:10.28 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 10:11.02 | valdyn | dvsdude: no literal error message, no clear description on what you need, this channel isnt full of prophets =/ |
| 10:11.09 | valdyn | dvsdude: no literal error message, no clear description on what you did, this channel isnt full of prophets =/ |
| 10:11.56 | valdyn | dvsdude: run something like 'cdrecord driveropts=burnfree dev=/dev/cdrom file.iso' and see if that works.. |
| 10:12.03 | dvsdude | valydyn see flood for debug |
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| 10:12.10 | valdyn | dvsdude: alright |
| 10:12.17 | SimonRaven | eh, please use regexen or something |
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| 10:13.24 | boris | when I do an apt-get install, I get recommended some packages, how can I get those to be installed without typing them out ? |
| 10:13.46 | dvsdude | valdyn: pasted k3b debug message into flood channel |
| 10:14.50 | liable | ubuntu! |
| 10:15.32 | valdyn | dvsdude: there's no error, just warnings |
| 10:15.33 | dvsdude | valydyn: cdrecord: Operation not permitted. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl |
| 10:15.35 | dvsdude | valdyn: cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.11-1-386 |
| 10:15.53 | tpr | I get this: mkdir: cannot create directory `test': Input/output error ; reading works fine and mounting, when trying to e2fsck (its ext3) it, it says something about superblocks and physical size being different :) |
| 10:15.58 | valdyn | dvsdude: thats a Warning |
| 10:16.02 | dvsdude | valdyn: soz Error: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability.Is cdrecord installed SUID root? |
| 10:16.10 | tpr | i tried to use a backup superblock with e2fsck -b , no luck |
| 10:16.10 | valdyn | dvsdude: thats no error |
| 10:17.15 | valdyn | dvsdude: all you pasted contains no single error that would prevent burning from working |
| 10:17.57 | dvsdude | valdyn: after trying the cdrecord command thats the only thing that comes up with error prior to it all the rest is warnings as u said its ok for know i'll just add kdesu to my k3b short cut and run it that way thanks i know your not all prophets(lol) thanks again |
| 10:19.11 | liable | dvsdude: try setting suid root yes. |
| 10:19.33 | jm_ | boris: man aptitude |
| 10:19.34 | valdyn | that would shut the warnings up |
| 10:19.43 | boris | yeah, using it now |
| 10:19.46 | valdyn | though it wouldnt make a true difference at all |
| 10:19.55 | dvsdude | valydyn: i tried both options |
| 10:20.01 | boris | sorry for asking dumb questions, I haven't really used debian for a long time |
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| 10:20.06 | dvsdude | soz valdyn |
| 10:21.05 | blindboygrunt | does anyone know if there is a citrix ica client package for debian? |
| 10:21.08 | valdyn | boris: you cant with apt-get, you could with aptitude |
| 10:21.14 | petemc | blindboygrunt: tsclient |
| 10:21.21 | dvsdude | valdyn: just a pain having to put in root password when wnat to burn, but I'll keep googling and see what i can find to resolve the issue im sure ive had this problem once before |
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| 10:21.37 | blindboygrunt | petemc: does that intergrate into the browser when connecting to an nfuse server? |
| 10:21.43 | tpr | any way to fix the superblock corruption? |
| 10:21.57 | valdyn | dvsdude: you havent pasted the error you are getting, if k3b isnt giving a useful error, then try cdrecord on commandline |
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| 10:22.02 | jm_ | hmm this is most strange, had munin working fine for months, and now it just doesn't seem to run some plugins as given user |
| 10:22.09 | liable | tpr: apt-cache show badblocks |
| 10:22.27 | petemc | blindboygrunt: for csg? no, you need to get the java client working for that - ive tried many times, always failed |
| 10:22.41 | rohal | has anyone of u used sharescan in windows? |
| 10:23.15 | Madmax | guys im trying to debianize a package.. buildint it with dpkg-buildpackage -tc, but i get an error in "rules", debian/rules:39: *** missing seperator. Quit. |
| 10:23.18 | Madmax | can anyone help m e |
| 10:23.20 | blindboygrunt | petemc: thanks - there was a source package on gentoo when I was using that, so I wondered.. |
| 10:23.26 | Madmax | i check the file 1000 times but i dont see the error |
| 10:23.41 | tpr | liable: yeah so you think its a problem with the badblocks, and finding a good backup would solve the issue? |
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| 10:24.10 | liable | tpr: i actually know bugger all about hard drive corruption, just a suggestion.. |
| 10:24.31 | petemc | blindboygrunt: like i say, ive tried, lots of different things, never got anything other than ie on windows to go through secure gateway to the nfuse server |
| 10:24.44 | dvsdude | valdyn: check flood pasted there |
| 10:24.48 | petemc | blindboygrunt: and i run csg on tomcat under debian |
| 10:24.53 | tpr | liable: ok :) though apt-cache show badblocks didnt really do anything :p |
| 10:25.01 | blindboygrunt | petemc: thanks |
| 10:25.22 | blindboygrunt | petemc: I'll let you know if I find anything that works? |
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| 10:26.01 | petemc | blindboygrunt: please do |
| 10:26.19 | valdyn | dvsdude: you keep pasting the same stuff over and over but none of this is an error, you should paste whatever comes after the 5 second warning |
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| 10:26.48 | valdyn | dvsdude: but if you are aborting cdrecord there each time then you probably dont even know if it would work |
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| 10:27.36 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 10:27.44 | valdyn | dvsdude: fyi, im getting literally precisly the same warnings, and it doesnt interfer with burning at al |
| 10:27.47 | valdyn | dvsdude: fyi, im getting literally precisly the same warnings, and it doesnt interfer with burning at all |
| 10:28.29 | dvsdude | valdyn: did u look #flood |
| 10:28.29 | amorphix | i have a question relating to hosts.deny: I'm getting alot of spammers trying to relay via my mail server, I would like to block these repeat offenders, is hosts.deny the right place to do it? |
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| 10:28.44 | Dreifinger`ziek | hey peeps.. |
| 10:28.49 | amorphix | hey |
| 10:28.56 | liable | tpr: my bad, man badblocks, its in e2fsprogs. |
| 10:29.06 | Dreifinger`ziek | amorphix do you know anything of eggdrop's in debian ? |
| 10:29.14 | valdyn | dvsdude: see above, i dont get to see what would come after the 5 sec warning |
| 10:29.23 | amorphix | what is e2fsprogs and why does it cause so much trouble? I had some errors about this earlier from apt |
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| 10:29.32 | amorphix | Dreifinger: sorry i dont |
| 10:29.38 | Dreifinger`ziek | ok |
| 10:29.38 | valdyn | dvsdude: i can scroll back too, there's no point in pasting the same stuff over and over.. |
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| 10:29.46 | dvsdude | valdyn: thats all i get from cdrecord via commandline |
| 10:29.48 | dvsdude | valdyn: i ran drecord driveropts=burnfree dev=/dev/cdrom image-200509.iso |
| 10:29.50 | dvsdude | oops cdrecord |
| 10:29.52 | dvsdude | valdyn: ok but i cannot tell u what i dont know sorry dude |
| 10:30.20 | valdyn | dvsdude: so let it run on after the 5 sec warning |
| 10:30.20 | Dreifinger`ziek | Does anyone know anything about tcl -- eggdrop in debian ? |
| 10:30.39 | amorphix | i used to run an eggdrop many years ago |
| 10:30.40 | Dreifinger`ziek | my eggdrop ./config wouldn't fount my tcl.h ... |
| 10:31.00 | dvsdude | valdyn: im not stopping it it is |
| 10:31.02 | amorphix | do you have tcl installed? |
| 10:31.09 | amorphix | its a scripting language |
| 10:31.12 | Dreifinger`ziek | yeah |
| 10:31.14 | amorphix | ok |
| 10:31.14 | dvsdude | valdyn: whats in flood is all i get |
| 10:31.15 | Dreifinger`ziek | i know |
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| 10:31.21 | Dreifinger`ziek | but he don't find them |
| 10:31.30 | Dreifinger`ziek | i'be installed the newest version |
| 10:31.35 | amorphix | check the config, you might need to put in the full path or something |
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| 10:32.09 | Dreifinger`ziek | yeah but i don't know where is't installed and where the tcl.h is standing :+ |
| 10:32.32 | amorphix | updatedb + locate tcl should reveal something |
| 10:33.11 | b1b20 | hello |
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| 10:34.35 | b1b20 | I need help |
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| 10:34.41 | b1b20 | a little of help |
| 10:34.52 | amorphix | ask your question dude |
| 10:34.57 | amorphix | dont ask for help |
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| 10:35.01 | tpr | liable: yeah that I had & found already, checking it out now |
| 10:35.26 | b1b20 | yeah,the comands of vnc client |
| 10:35.29 | valdyn | dvsdude: ls -l /usr/bin/cdrecord |
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| 10:36.10 | dvsdude | valdyn: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 133 2005-09-21 11:17 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 10:36.23 | b1b20 | ¬¬ |
| 10:36.25 | Dreifinger`ziek | b1b20 apt-get install vnc-client |
| 10:36.29 | SimonRaven | not setuid |
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| 10:36.34 | valdyn | dvsdude: -rwsr-xr-- is what it will be after you dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord |
| 10:36.36 | amorphix | is it ok to put IP addresses in hosts.deny? |
| 10:36.39 | Dreifinger`ziek | b1b20 apt-get install vnc-vieuwer |
| 10:36.41 | valdyn | dvsdude: THEN things should just work |
| 10:36.53 | Dreifinger`ziek | and then as it's installed |
| 10:36.56 | Dreifinger`ziek | vncviruwer |
| 10:36.57 | Trewas | Dreifinger`ziek: couldn't you install eggdrop from debian? anyway, if you want to compile it yourself you need tcl development package, tcl8.4-dev or something |
| 10:36.58 | Dreifinger`ziek | uh |
| 10:37.01 | plbgnr | hello, where is default readme when I installed package? |
| 10:37.01 | Dreifinger`ziek | vieuwer :+ |
| 10:37.07 | SimonRaven | amorphix: yes. 'ALL: $IP_ADDR' |
| 10:37.14 | b1b20 | I need the comands of Vnc Administrator... |
| 10:37.18 | SimonRaven | for example |
| 10:37.23 | dvsdude | valdyn: -rwsr-xr-- 1 root cdrom 133 2005-09-21 11:17 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 10:37.29 | Dreifinger`ziek | lol |
| 10:37.33 | Dreifinger`ziek | i don't know b1b20 |
| 10:37.35 | liable | plbgnr: /usr/share/doc/foo |
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| 10:37.42 | SimonRaven | dvsdude: uh, no. |
| 10:37.44 | Dreifinger`ziek | Thanks Trewas but i had installed: tcl8.4-dev |
| 10:38.31 | b1b20 | I try destroy my class of Informatic,muahahaha!!! |
| 10:38.31 | amorphix | SimonRaven thanks |
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| 10:39.20 | valdyn | dvsdude: ok, type 'su - <username>', then try burning again |
| 10:39.21 | tpr | the superblock backups dont seem to work, they still give me the corrupt message, ay way to fix this (-p obviously doesnt work with e2fsck due to bad superblock) |
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| 10:39.23 | amorphix | SimonRaven: do you know if I can use wildcats, like '48.183.' to mean the entire range |
| 10:39.44 | SimonRaven | amorphix: not sure. and it's 'wildcards' :) |
| 10:39.45 | b1b20 | hola |
| 10:39.57 | guellilz | hola hola |
| 10:39.58 | amorphix | SimonRaven lol cheers |
| 10:40.03 | SimonRaven | man hosts.deny might mention it |
| 10:40.04 | b1b20 | xD |
| 10:40.12 | amorphix | ok i will check |
| 10:40.16 | b1b20 | any spanish people here? |
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| 10:40.29 | SimonRaven | #debian-es. and maybe |
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| 10:41.06 | b1b20 | ehemehem¬¬ |
| 10:41.16 | dvsdude | valdyn: thru k3b now its working be stuffed i tried that before |
| 10:41.26 | b1b20 | #debian-es |
| 10:41.28 | b1b20 | ??? |
| 10:41.42 | liable | !es |
| 10:41.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:41.48 | plbgnr | liable thanks |
| 10:42.05 | b1b20 | #debian-es |
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| 10:42.13 | b1b20 | uhmmmmmmmmm |
| 10:42.19 | liable | b1b20: /j #debian-es |
| 10:42.26 | SimonRaven | dvsdude: i have no idea why you chown'd the cdrecord binary, since that was pointless. what you needed to do is chown the device file |
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| 10:42.29 | b1b20 | Oops |
| 10:42.30 | b1b20 | hehe |
| 10:42.42 | SimonRaven | b1b20: hint: /join #debian-es |
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| 10:42.46 | valdyn | SimonRaven: he didnt, dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord does that |
| 10:42.53 | SimonRaven | oh, ok |
| 10:43.01 | SimonRaven | to group cdrom? |
| 10:43.01 | b1b20 | hehe |
| 10:43.08 | dvsdude | SimonRaven: ?? device file |
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| 10:43.22 | valdyn | SimonRaven: makes it suid and limits execute to root and group cdrom |
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| 10:43.41 | SimonRaven | ok. dvsdude, never mind me then |
| 10:43.44 | dvsdude | what valdyn said |
| 10:43.49 | xoz_ | ping |
| 10:43.51 | dvsdude | lol |
| 10:44.05 | dvsdude | its all good it works thats the main thing |
| 10:44.16 | b1b20 | nobody talk in debian-es |
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| 10:46.40 | SimonRaven | b1b20: they're probably asleep |
| 10:46.58 | petemc | its not siesta time til later i thought... |
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| 10:47.25 | SimonRaven | oh, cool, it removes o=x too |
| 10:47.33 | SimonRaven | *shrug* |
| 10:47.49 | b1b20 | Siesta is Only |
| 10:47.52 | b1b20 | spanish |
| 10:48.22 | petemc | b1b20: i wasnt entirely serious.. |
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| 10:48.53 | b1b20 | Now isn´t the hour of the "siesta" |
| 10:49.06 | b1b20 | is.....a 4:00PM.... |
| 10:49.10 | petemc | yz |
| 10:49.16 | redtime | Thu Oct 13 12:49:16 CEST 2005 |
| 10:49.19 | redtime | ble! |
| 10:49.31 | b1b20 | ¬¬ |
| 10:49.34 | b1b20 | perfect |
| 10:49.36 | petemc | Thu Oct 13 11:49:29 BST 2005 |
| 10:50.30 | b1b20 | like the chronno Cross...perfectly perfect |
| 10:51.54 | SimonRaven | jeu oct 13 10:51:53 UTC 2005 |
| 10:52.11 | dvsdude | Thu Oct 13 20:51:37 EST 2005 |
| 10:52.34 | dvsdude | that was fun whats next |
| 10:52.42 | petemc | uptime! |
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| 10:53.52 | sparr | RC5-72: 0.00:00:17.52 [244,200 keys/sec] |
| 10:53.52 | sparr | OGR-P2: 0.00:00:18.05 [955,018 nodes/sec] |
| 10:53.53 | hellz_hunter | im having issues with vsftpd, i cannot seem to get anonymous uploaded files to be world readable |
| 10:53.57 | hellz_hunter | anyone else seen this problem? |
| 10:53.59 | sparr | phear my distributed.net benchmark! |
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| 10:55.59 | Guerin | hellz_hunter: rtfm. anon_umask |
| 10:56.16 | Guerin | hellz_hunter: WHY are you trying to configure a ftpd without referring to the documentation? |
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| 10:57.06 | SaMcO | huhu |
| 10:57.07 | PLK | hola |
| 10:57.10 | SaMcO | hahaha |
| 10:57.13 | PLK | :P |
| 10:57.20 | SaMcO | PLK? |
| 10:57.20 | SaMcO | xD |
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| 10:57.33 | Guerin | rimatards |
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| 10:57.35 | Guerin | great |
| 10:57.36 | PLK | jejeje |
| 10:57.40 | SaMcO | guerin xD |
| 10:57.43 | redtime | :) |
| 10:57.44 | dtyut | gfhfgh |
| 10:57.48 | Guerin | !ops SaMcO PLK rimatards |
| 10:57.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: SaMcO PLK rimatards |
| 10:57.51 | xelam | sigh |
| 10:57.54 | liable | oh jeseus |
| 10:57.54 | SimonRaven | same hostname |
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| 10:58.07 | PLK | axo tio q coñazo de clase... |
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| 10:58.17 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:58.18 | SaMcO | pff |
| 10:58.25 | dtyut | os voy a comer el corazon |
| 10:58.31 | PLK | mmmm |
| 10:58.33 | PLK | rico.. |
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| 10:58.47 | SaMcO | Mhh xDD |
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| 10:58.55 | SimonRaven | dumb fucks with bots... |
| 10:58.55 | Guerin | !beer debhelper |
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| 10:59.08 | SimonRaven | w00t debhelper |
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| 10:59.09 | dtyut | run DMC |
| 10:59.11 | pollagrande | k |
| 10:59.16 | Guerin | didn't get them all, but |
| 10:59.18 | pollagrande | samuel maricon |
| 10:59.18 | PLK | q te den polla grande |
| 10:59.27 | pollagrande | paco marica |
| 10:59.28 | dtyut | dghjt |
| 10:59.31 | SimonRaven | PLK: STFU |
| 10:59.32 | PLK | jose marica.-. |
| 10:59.33 | PLK | xd |
| 10:59.36 | PLK | XDDDD |
| 10:59.38 | pollagrande | tornero marica |
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| 10:59.48 | SimonRaven | 10 year olds with their bots... |
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| 10:59.50 | hellz_hunter | Guerin, this problem has been ongoing for quite sometime, anon_umask does not affect anything, umask seems to only work with local users and not anonymously uploaded files |
| 11:00.03 | hellz_hunter | Guerin, please dont jump to conclusions without asking first |
| 11:00.08 | pollagrande | fuck you |
| 11:00.10 | PLK | hi friend... |
| 11:00.15 | SimonRaven | oooh |
| 11:00.17 | SaMcO | Simon, are you homosexual? xd |
| 11:00.20 | Guerin | hellz_hunter: there's another directive to allow anonymous users to use local umask |
| 11:00.26 | pollagrande | your mum |
| 11:00.28 | Guerin | hellz_hunter: it worked fine for me |
| 11:00.33 | SaMcO | Hahaha |
| 11:00.49 | Guerin | !ops please fucking ban Red-80-32-185.staticIP.rima-tde.net |
| 11:00.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: please fucking ban Red-80-32-185.staticIP.rima-tde.net |
| 11:01.01 | SimonRaven | SaMcO: even if i was, i would hardly consider that an insult you fricking homophobe |
| 11:01.14 | SimonRaven | damn |
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| 11:06.32 | hellz_hunter | Guerin, ok, thanks for the suggestion ill check it out :) |
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| 11:08.00 | encompass | hello every one |
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| 11:08.11 | SimonRaven | europe woke up it seems |
| 11:08.15 | SimonRaven | hi |
| 11:09.28 | encompass | I am trying to setup fetch mail and when I run fetchmail -vk it tells me the .fetchmailrc must have no more than -rwx--x--- permissions how do I change the permissions to meet these requirements? |
| 11:09.45 | encompass | finland too |
| 11:09.47 | xelam | duh |
| 11:09.49 | SimonRaven | info chmod; chmod --help |
| 11:10.01 | SimonRaven | hud |
| 11:10.25 | xelam | HUD |
| 11:10.53 | SimonRaven | no, not heads-up display ;p |
| 11:11.15 | xelam | :P |
| 11:12.06 | encompass | really? |
| 11:12.39 | yalu | they sing badly, in general ;p |
| 11:12.46 | SimonRaven | really. i,m a backup singer with one of the local drum groups |
| 11:13.22 | yalu | say folks, does anyone use php5 on Debian? if yes, is it self-compiled stuff or prepackaged binaries? |
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| 11:13.48 | Starf^Work | hi installed phpbb2 via the synaptic package manager and now (even using find files) cant find the phpbb install |
| 11:13.50 | SimonRaven | pre-packaged is present in sid, maybe etch |
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| 11:14.09 | SimonRaven | Starf^Work: dpkg -L <package name> | less |
| 11:14.14 | kombi | how does one install further locales again? |
| 11:14.20 | petemc | Starf^Work: take a peek in /usr/share/doc/phpbb2/ |
| 11:14.28 | petemc | also, phpbb teh suq |
| 11:15.04 | SimonRaven | kombi: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:15.05 | Guerin | all bulletin board software is teh suck |
| 11:15.10 | Guerin | it's just a fact of life |
| 11:15.15 | petemc | true that |
| 11:15.20 | kombi | SimonRaven: thanks! |
| 11:15.30 | SimonRaven | phpbb2 is one of the wrost too, in terms of security |
| 11:15.34 | SimonRaven | worst* |
| 11:15.44 | Starf^Work | Guerin, just like all management wanting forums is the sucl |
| 11:16.02 | SimonRaven | quite |
| 11:16.05 | Guerin | Starf^Work: mailing lists > * |
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| 11:17.08 | Starf^Work | hmmmmm got it its in /usr/share/phpbb last time i did this it installed it in the home |
| 11:17.51 | petemc | Starf^Work: i assume you didnt use a debian package last time |
| 11:18.32 | wickedpuppy | Starf^Work, have you checked /var/www ? |
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| 11:19.06 | Guerin | Starf^Work: oh, those things are usually in /usr/share/lib |
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| 11:19.25 | Starf^Work | wickedpuppy, yeah the only thing in there is my zencart install and as i said 5 mins ago i found it in /usr/share/phpbb |
| 11:19.39 | Guerin | Starf^Work: it should provide a config file in /etc/$packagename, which you can link into your httpd.conf |
| 11:20.00 | petemc | and it should be documented in /usr/share/doc/<package>/ |
| 11:20.15 | amorphix | http://www.amorphix.net/pix/squizzy_says_hello.jpg <-- squirrel visiting my apartment balcony |
| 11:20.17 | petemc | at the risk of sounding redundant.. |
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| 11:20.39 | Starf^Work | hopefully zencart will do the linking as it support phpbb internally |
| 11:20.48 | Eliteforce | i need a command to see how much disc space a directory uses |
| 11:20.49 | Starf^Work | my issue is letting zencart on the mysql db |
| 11:21.10 | bodziec | hi all |
| 11:21.10 | Starf^Work | access denied for user: root@localhost (using password: yes) |
| 11:21.27 | fireba11 | nice pic amorphix |
| 11:21.29 | xelam | Eliteforce: du |
| 11:21.45 | bodziec | im having problems with /etc/init.d/dhcp script on sarge |
| 11:21.48 | amorphix | thanks |
| 11:22.02 | SimonRaven | amorphix: red squirrel, eh? too cute, BTW :) |
| 11:22.09 | bodziec | http://szombierki.kom.pl/~bodzio/dhcp |
| 11:22.23 | xelam | wow I've never seen a red squirrel o.O |
| 11:22.40 | bodziec | it seems dhcp tries to bind to eth0 but in the script i choose eth1 as the device to listen on |
| 11:22.56 | SimonRaven | xelam: the common ones around here are grey. further west into 'ontario' they're black |
| 11:23.10 | xelam | I've only ever seen grey and white (albino) |
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| 11:23.29 | bodziec | when i input the commands on the commandline substituting the variables its all fine. i don't understand this. can someone help? |
| 11:23.33 | amorphix | SimonRaven: thats an American grey squirrel! |
| 11:23.42 | petemc | bodziec: what package provides that script? why not use dhcpd3? |
| 11:23.47 | SimonRaven | amorphix: indeed |
| 11:23.51 | xelam | it's not grey o.O |
| 11:23.56 | Guerin | we have black and dark brown squirrels here |
| 11:23.57 | amorphix | it is |
| 11:24.02 | Guerin | they get pretty big, too |
| 11:24.07 | Guerin | small cat-sized |
| 11:24.10 | xelam | then why is it brown/red? |
| 11:24.12 | amorphix | these grey squirrels are not native to England |
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| 11:24.18 | bodziec | petemc: dhcp. im used to its configuration format |
| 11:24.20 | amorphix | someone brought some over in the 19thc from USA |
| 11:24.22 | xelam | yes |
| 11:24.26 | amorphix | now they are everywhere |
| 11:24.34 | bodziec | is configuration file format for dhcpd3 the same? |
| 11:24.40 | Guerin | amorphix: and they're stealing your crack |
| 11:24.41 | xelam | and you only see grey ones here, and that picture is not a grey one |
| 11:24.45 | Guerin | bodziec: no. |
| 11:24.59 | amorphix | haha |
| 11:25.02 | petemc | dhcpd3 is easy to understand |
| 11:25.09 | amorphix | Guerin: I feed this one every week |
| 11:25.20 | Eliteforce | xelam: thx |
| 11:25.26 | xelam | amorphix: it's not a grey squirrel though :P |
| 11:25.29 | bodziec | but i just can't understand the behaviour of this script |
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| 11:25.36 | amorphix | xelam: that picture is most definitely a grey squirrel |
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| 11:25.53 | amorphix | it has the brown stripe on its back |
| 11:25.54 | Pimpinella | how can i create an additional syslog socket? |
| 11:26.00 | amorphix | but its referred to as a grey squirrel |
| 11:26.06 | xelam | looks very brown |
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| 11:26.11 | amorphix | i know |
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| 11:26.44 | bodziec | ok thx maybe i'll check this dhcp3 package |
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| 11:27.03 | ISA_X | i have ISA net card RTL8019, can't find module "no" for it. need it on 2.6.13. any idea ? |
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| 11:28.28 | dimitri | I know I am on the debian channel but I have a friend who have a redhat server and I would like to advice him to install htpasswd, is it the same package on redhat ? |
| 11:28.53 | dimitri | I have a ssh connection, what is the packager manager on redhat ? |
| 11:28.57 | dockane | how do i search the bash history for a string ? |
| 11:29.01 | ^Duffy^ | rpm |
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| 11:29.15 | bodziec | one more question. can anbdy tell me why my rtl8139 card works strange on 2.6.11 with grsecurity. by strange i mean i have ping latency of about 30ms when on standard 2.6.8 kernel its about 0.2ms |
| 11:29.16 | liable | ISA_X: why are you running a 2.6.13 kernel, out of interest? |
| 11:29.17 | dimitri | yes rpm |
| 11:29.20 | Eclipser | does redhat have repositories?-o |
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| 11:29.30 | Scognito | i've switched from a working nvidia card to a matroxg400...i'm using xorg and i enabled dri,glx and dri section in xorg.conf, but when i launch glxgears or other 3d app i get: |
| 11:29.32 | ^Duffy^ | dimitri: package system: rpm I think, but what makes you think we would know what the package is called? |
| 11:29.37 | ISA_X | liable: sure ;) |
| 11:29.38 | Scognito | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 11:29.38 | Scognito | glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual. |
| 11:29.41 | dimitri | but when I do rpm -i htpasswd it says package unknown |
| 11:29.44 | Scognito | what am i missing??? |
| 11:29.55 | petemc | dockane: ^r |
| 11:29.57 | xelam | dimitri: try a redhat channel. |
| 11:30.08 | dimitri | xelam: nobodies there |
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| 11:30.10 | Eclipser | xelam, you stole those words out of my mouth, didn't you |
| 11:30.11 | ^Duffy^ | dimitri: Im sure there are a website describing all packages .. or try #redhat |
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| 11:30.13 | dockane | petemc: thx |
| 11:30.20 | xelam | Eclipser: sorry :( |
| 11:30.25 | dimitri | sure... |
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| 11:30.37 | dimitri | but I am a bit short of idea |
| 11:30.46 | petemc | dimitri: in debian, its in the apache utils package, look for the rh equivalent |
| 11:30.53 | sb | Mice stopped working for me: cat /dev/psaux: No such device |
| 11:31.01 | xelam | cat ate your mouse |
| 11:31.12 | sb | :-) |
| 11:31.13 | liable | sb: blame udev :) |
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| 11:31.16 | paivakil | dimitri: try #fedora |
| 11:31.16 | ISA_X | liable: BTW, 2.6.8-2-386 stock does not have it |
| 11:31.23 | Eclipser | sb, cat /dev/input/mice ? |
| 11:31.28 | sb | did aptitude purge udev |
| 11:31.31 | Eliteforce | if i type ps -ef i can see about 30!! apache2 processes, why? |
| 11:31.39 | sb | cat input/mice doesn't work either |
| 11:32.01 | sb | Both USB and PS/2 mice are connected |
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| 11:32.13 | Eliteforce | www-data 29473 29297 0 Oct12 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL |
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| 11:32.27 | sb | input: Generic Wheel [...] |
| 11:32.28 | Starf^Work | sorted the mysql prob lol |
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| 11:32.40 | ^Duffy^ | Eliteforce: check the docs and you will understand ... |
| 11:32.41 | Eclipser | sb, grep for mouse in dmesg? |
| 11:32.42 | dvsdude | dimitri: http://rpm.pbone.net/ |
| 11:32.48 | sb | input: USB HID [...] |
| 11:33.02 | Eliteforce | ^Duffy^: is that normal? |
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| 11:33.12 | liable | ISA_X: this is an isa eth card? is it in 2.4? |
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| 11:33.33 | ISA_X | liable: yes isa, dunno if in 2.4 |
| 11:33.35 | ^Duffy^ | Eliteforce: they are "child" processes .. those are the ones that answer to http requests |
| 11:33.43 | sb | Eclipser: no mouse in dmesg |
| 11:33.45 | ^Duffy^ | Eliteforce: you can set a max and a minimum variable in the config |
| 11:33.49 | CosmoDad | I've modified .Xdefaults to make rxvt look the way I like it. It works when I start a new shell, but it doesn't work for the shells I tell fluxbox to start at boot-up. why is that? |
| 11:33.58 | Eliteforce | ^Duffy^: ok thx |
| 11:34.03 | ^Duffy^ | np |
| 11:34.10 | sb | but two input: lines |
| 11:34.19 | Eclipser | sb, uh that sucks |
| 11:34.39 | sb | Eclipser: thanks |
| 11:34.55 | Eclipser | yeah no problem :) |
| 11:34.59 | sb | I even tried MAKEDEV busmice |
| 11:35.09 | sb | I even tried MAKEDEV input |
| 11:35.36 | paivakil | sb are the mice modules loaded? |
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| 11:36.07 | paivakil | modprobe psmouse |
| 11:36.20 | sb | paivakil: which ones? usbhid is loaded |
| 11:36.35 | petemc | mousedev |
| 11:36.59 | paivakil | that will get only usb mouse; not usb ones |
| 11:37.03 | dimitri | is the package name of the command line htpasswd, htpasswd or a different one ? |
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| 11:37.07 | ISA_X | well, i have it on other machine in /lib/modules/2.2.17/net/ne.o, but can i use it ? |
| 11:37.10 | paivakil | err... i mean not ps/2 mice |
| 11:37.42 | sb | petemc: modprobe mousedev did it. Thanks |
| 11:37.53 | sb | at least psaux is noisy now |
| 11:38.07 | dvsdude | dimitri: check out http://rpm.pbone.net/ |
| 11:38.22 | mad | dimitri: apt-cache search htpasswd |
| 11:38.26 | dvsdude | dimitri: search for rpm |
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| 11:38.39 | liable | ISA_X: install a 2.4 kernel and see. |
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| 11:38.51 | Jabba__ | hi |
| 11:39.25 | ISA_X | liable, no. i need new ip shaping from 2.6. will rather throw away isa |
| 11:39.41 | CAiRO | which format should i use to store my mails on an imap server? maildir or imapdir? what's the main difference between them? |
| 11:39.47 | liable | ISA_X: then you are better of doing that. how old is it? |
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| 11:40.14 | ISA_X | liable: well, it still works |
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| 11:40.40 | liable | ISA_X: not on 2.6.. |
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| 11:40.44 | Jabba__ | I have a problem with X. I have an nvidia card. startx says: Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!. If I disable the line 'Load "glx"' in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, everything is good, but the fonts are a bit different. How could I still use glx? |
| 11:40.52 | ISA_X | liable: but i have about 5 kilos of other isa net cards ... |
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| 11:41.13 | Jabba__ | I have installed the package nvidia-glx |
| 11:41.15 | liable | !isa |
| 11:41.15 | dpkg | well, isa is (Industry Standard Adapter) The 8- and 16-bit original connectors used in PCs. They run at a bus speed of 8 MHz. You can plug ISA expansion cards into an ISA slot. Modems and sound cards are ISA cards due to their low bandwidth requirements. a piece of shit. |
| 11:42.07 | ISA_X | haha. mr. dpkg should see our local routers ;) |
| 11:44.23 | Bombo | is there a deb package for the _adobe_ acrobat reader? i got non-free in my sources.list but apt-get install acroread didnt install it |
| 11:44.36 | bonz | bah slots,our cards were soldered in |
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| 11:45.12 | bonz | sitting right next to the valves |
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| 11:45.52 | bonz | I thought acrobat was free anyway |
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| 11:46.11 | mad | and to download from adobe's site |
| 11:46.12 | bonz | hence unlikely too find it in non-free |
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| 11:46.23 | dvsdude | Bombo: result when u apt-cache search acroread |
| 11:46.32 | bonz | more likely too find it in goggle though im sure |
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| 11:46.45 | liable | !info acroread sarge |
| 11:46.48 | blindboygrunt | petemc: I have the citrix client working fine now - from a web browser |
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| 11:46.52 | bonz | or apt-cache search pdf |
| 11:47.06 | sylvisj | Omfg. Installing nvidia drivers is gonna piss me off. |
| 11:47.17 | Bombo | $ apt-cache search acroread |
| 11:47.17 | Bombo | pdfscreen - Make PDF documents which are printable and readable on screen too |
| 11:47.37 | pyarra | greetings all, anyone ever had any luck getting sunhme working on debian? |
| 11:47.38 | Bombo | doesnt look like it |
| 11:47.47 | sylvisj | ANyone had luck installing nvidia drivers on the Netinstall release? |
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| 11:48.22 | sylvisj | I can't figure out how to recompile my kernel... I've tried about 8 different walkthroughs... and still no luck. |
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| 11:48.44 | sylvisj | One would have worked, if I knew how to remove a part of my kernel and retry it. |
| 11:48.54 | sylvisj | The nvidia official installer can't correctly compile a kernel for me |
| 11:49.12 | sylvisj | Linuxgod hates me. |
| 11:49.13 | dvsdude | sylvisj: i apt-get install kernel-headers then kill kdm and run nvidia install basically |
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| 11:49.20 | sylvisj | DVS, already did. |
| 11:49.28 | sylvisj | Don't even have a display manager. |
| 11:49.33 | sylvisj | I have my kernel headers. |
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| 11:49.52 | liable | !tell sylvisj about nvidia one liner |
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| 11:50.00 | sylvisj | Doesn't work, liable. |
| 11:50.04 | sylvisj | Fails every time. |
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| 11:50.18 | liable | how doesnt it work |
| 11:50.22 | Phated | WFM. :) |
| 11:50.23 | sylvisj | I don't have xfree86. |
| 11:50.27 | sylvisj | Apparently, i have x.org |
| 11:50.30 | dvsdude | sylvisj: i runnning kernel-image-2.6.11 and kernel-headers to match all installed via apt then run nvidia installer |
| 11:50.33 | dockane | i would like to convert a tiff image to postscript to print it with lpr from commandline. how do i adjust the size etc to make the image fit to page ? |
| 11:50.36 | liable | apparently? |
| 11:50.44 | sylvisj | Xfree86 is not in the X11 dir. |
| 11:50.54 | Bombo | so there is no deb package of acroread? |
| 11:51.07 | petemc | dockane: convert from imagemagick could probably do that |
| 11:51.11 | dvsdude | Bombo: yes there is u dont have source for it |
| 11:51.11 | Bombo | i have to dl from adobes homepage |
| 11:51.11 | Phated | So... CHANGE nvidia one-liner to do x.org...? |
| 11:51.12 | mad | bombo: seems so |
| 11:51.24 | mad | bombo: try their official website |
| 11:51.26 | sylvisj | Phated: Don't know what to change the last part to. |
| 11:51.27 | petemc | blindboygrunt: if you get a chance, id be interested to know the details |
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| 11:51.34 | Phated | sylvisj: What? |
| 11:51.39 | Bombo | dvsdude: i dont need the source |
| 11:51.39 | liable | oh dear.. |
| 11:51.49 | Bombo | dvsdude: where is the binary deb? |
| 11:51.51 | sylvisj | I'm new to linux. I have only what I've learned myself in the last week or so. |
| 11:51.54 | pyarra | so I'm guessing no-one here has a sunhme (QFE) card working on x86 ? |
| 11:51.59 | Bombo | mad: yep will do it now |
| 11:52.01 | liable | !tell sylvisj about drxx |
| 11:52.01 | blindboygrunt | petemc: sure - i have time now |
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| 11:52.21 | sylvisj | Did nothing, liable |
| 11:52.23 | sylvisj | !drxx |
| 11:52.23 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 11:52.36 | liable | !doesnt work |
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| 11:52.40 | liable | !doesn't work |
| 11:52.40 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 11:52.52 | dvsdude | Bombo: i use deb ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/ unstable main in my sources.list |
| 11:52.56 | sylvisj | Liable, I just got the command up.... |
| 11:53.01 | sylvisj | Thx again, though. |
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| 11:53.17 | liable | i need to learn punctuation. |
| 11:53.18 | sylvisj | Ok... apt-get install drxx? |
| 11:53.28 | liable | ... |
| 11:53.31 | resiak | !drxx |
| 11:53.32 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:53.39 | resiak | sylvisj: READ IT |
| 11:53.45 | sylvisj | Resiak, I JUST READ IT |
| 11:53.53 | sylvisj | I don't know if drxx comes with the netinst or not |
| 11:53.56 | resiak | ... |
| 11:53.56 | liable | sylvisj: understand it! |
| 11:54.05 | sylvisj | Liable is more accurate |
| 11:54.09 | resiak | sylvisj: Run `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` as root. |
| 11:54.24 | liable | no dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 11:54.36 | resiak | sylvisj: If it's not installed (which it is), you'll quickly find out. |
| 11:54.37 | dvsdude | Bombo: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 11:54.38 | liable | resiak: hes on xorg "apparently" |
| 11:54.41 | resiak | liable: I see. |
| 11:54.52 | resiak | liable: Sorry, I just couldn't resist shouting. |
| 11:54.56 | sylvisj | Thx resiak |
| 11:54.59 | sylvisj | No problem |
| 11:55.02 | liable | resiak: it was needed :) |
| 11:55.13 | sylvisj | . . . |
| 11:55.14 | sylvisj | I've been working on this for 5 hours |
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| 11:55.26 | sylvisj | It's definately been a learning experience today |
| 11:55.26 | dvsdude | hey any ideas why every now and then my mouse has a cow a goes totally heywire then tops |
| 11:55.46 | liable | sylvisj: maybe go to bed and try again tommorow with a clear head :) |
| 11:55.53 | sylvisj | It is tomorrow for me, unfortunately. |
| 11:55.59 | sylvisj | Been up all night, couldn't sleep - flu. |
| 11:56.09 | sylvisj | Decided I might as well do something somewhat productive |
| 11:56.53 | sylvisj | So, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x.org? |
| 11:57.01 | liable | lose the . |
| 11:57.11 | sylvisj | Dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg/ |
| 11:57.11 | sylvisj | ? |
| 11:57.19 | liable | lose the D |
| 11:57.27 | SimonRaven | s/D/d/ |
| 11:57.32 | sylvisj | Captialization is a habbit when talking. |
| 11:57.41 | resiak | !dict habbit |
| 11:57.43 | dpkg | could not find definition for habbit |
| 11:57.45 | SimonRaven | s/bb/b/ ;) |
| 11:57.57 | sylvisj | Don't even correct spelling, please. Too early in the morning. |
| 11:58.11 | resiak | Right, is it just me, or is it totally impossible to add digraphs to screen(1)? The manpage doesn't mention that it is possible, nor do /usr/share/doc/screen/*, nor does google. |
| 11:58.14 | SimonRaven | GTG. later |
| 11:58.18 | liable | sylvisj: well, when you are typing commands, it kinda matters... |
| 11:58.19 | sylvisj | Alright... dpkg-reconfiger xserver-xorg? |
| 11:58.21 | sylvisj | I know, liable. |
| 11:58.34 | Phated | reconfigure? |
| 11:58.38 | liable | haha |
| 11:58.44 | sylvisj | ... just said don't correct spelling. |
| 11:58.47 | Bombo | dvsdude: You have searched for packages that names contain acroread in distribution unstable, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 11:58.48 | liable | 4th time lucky? |
| 11:58.51 | Bombo | Can't find that package, at least not in that distribution and on that architecture. |
| 11:58.54 | Phated | Fine, TRY that command, go on, do! |
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| 11:59.14 | sylvisj | Phated... I might not have been clear. I know how to spell things, but will make the occasional mistake, considering I've had no sleep. |
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| 11:59.35 | Phated | Go to sleep, then. |
| 11:59.48 | sylvisj | ... You missed the conversation. Me = Flu. Me != Sleep. |
| 11:59.56 | Phated | Flu + computer == bad. |
| 12:00.04 | sylvisj | Flu - sleep == worse. |
| 12:00.06 | dvsdude | Bombo: no i just used apt-get install acroread but have the right deb repositories in my sources.list filke |
| 12:00.14 | sylvisj | unfortunately, for me Flu = No sleep |
| 12:00.21 | Bombo | dvsdude: Get:5 ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au stable/main Packages [3347kB] |
| 12:00.28 | sylvisj | ok... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 12:00.30 | sylvisj | That right? |
| 12:00.36 | liable | yay! |
| 12:00.37 | Bombo | dvsdude: $ apt-get install acroread |
| 12:00.43 | liable | !congratulate sylvisj |
| 12:00.44 | dpkg | Woohoo sylvisj, you did it! |
| 12:00.44 | Bombo | dvsdude: Package acroread is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 12:00.54 | sylvisj | Anyone got an incredibly long sources.list file? |
| 12:01.09 | sylvisj | I'm using one a friend made. Something like 16000 packages, about 1k of them testing |
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| 12:01.22 | sylvisj | I'd prefer to use a stable-only one, but don't know the sources |
| 12:01.24 | liable | no, but you should see my.. oh forget it .. :P |
| 12:01.39 | sylvisj | Lol. |
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| 12:02.04 | sylvisj | It is my determination to be a master of linux by the end of the school year. I thank god that I have until May. |
| 12:02.24 | Ronin | a master of it in 8 months? good luck |
| 12:02.34 | liable | you cant capitalise lol! :) |
| 12:02.34 | nkuttler | sylvisj: do a fresh install if you want stable |
| 12:02.50 | sylvisj | I'm a fast learner, and very patient. Add in insomniac, and you have a long time with nothing to do. |
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| 12:03.31 | sylvisj | Nkuttler, should I just delete sources.list, and apt-setup? |
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| 12:03.37 | sylvisj | Keep adding the http sources? |
| 12:04.10 | nkuttler | sylvisj: if you already have testing packages it will be easier to reinstall than to downgrade them all |
| 12:04.20 | dvsdude | Bombo: these are my reposit --- deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.1/ ./ deb http://www.planet-moll.de/debian sarge main deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free hope it helps |
| 12:04.29 | sylvisj | Alright. I'm glad I keep my install CD handy. |
| 12:04.32 | nkuttler | sylvisj: and a fresh install will give you a nice sources.list |
| 12:04.36 | sylvisj | I know that. |
| 12:04.46 | eXa_bOy | who uses debian for webhosting? |
| 12:04.54 | sylvisj | I wonder if testing packages may be why the nVidia drivers haven't installed correctly yet. |
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| 12:06.44 | kinetik | hello |
| 12:07.16 | liable | boom boom boom.... |
| 12:07.17 | Bombo | dvsdude: i'm downloading from the official adobe hp right now |
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| 12:07.23 | Bombo | 44mb tar.gz |
| 12:07.47 | sylvisj | I'm just gonna remove all experimental, testing, and unstable sources from my current sources.list and use it in the reinstall. |
| 12:07.52 | liable | holy shit, thats bigger than the kernel! |
| 12:08.05 | dvsdude | Bombo: np i know i installed via apt-get though and its there when i search soz |
| 12:08.31 | sylvisj | What liable? |
| 12:08.35 | kinetik | can someone tell me why i have an insanely small font in certain tabs in gdm? |
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| 12:09.04 | mad | liable? your last post would give a nice entry in their comments db ;) |
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| 12:09.31 | liable | :) |
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| 12:09.41 | liable | sylvisj: wasnt to you |
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| 12:09.49 | kinetik | ..anyone ? :\ |
| 12:09.53 | sylvisj | I know. Just didn't quite understand that. 'Bigger than the kernel' |
| 12:10.14 | liable | ahhh, acroread is from marillats repo... |
| 12:10.19 | dimir | kinetik: reconfigure it |
| 12:10.28 | dimir | kinetik: useing gdm-config or something. |
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| 12:10.45 | dvsdude | liable: thats it marillats good for lkots of stuff mplayer etc |
| 12:10.45 | kinetik | i cant read half of that either :\ |
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| 12:11.24 | dimir | kinetik: gdmconfig that is |
| 12:11.25 | orjan | While tesing pinning I get "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" even with APT::Cache-Limit "8388608"; |
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| 12:11.39 | sylvisj | I'm out, gonna try some last-minute work on the drivers and then go to school. Thx for the help, bye all. |
| 12:11.41 | orjan | how big does it have to be? |
| 12:11.48 | jm_ | big enough |
| 12:11.51 | liable | !tell orjan about mmap |
| 12:12.06 | creatin | i'm confused about Debian i'm looking on http://linuxiso.org and there are 7 discs but they are diferent flavors, what r the diferece between them? which discs do i need? |
| 12:12.21 | liable | theres 14 actually |
| 12:12.29 | petemc | !d-i creatin |
| 12:12.30 | dvsdude | Bombo: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main |
| 12:12.31 | dpkg | creatin, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:12.35 | dvsdude | liable: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main |
| 12:12.40 | gothtec | I'm running xtightvncserver on my machine at home, and now I'm logged on from school. I can type every letter I can there, including the norwegian letters (ÆØÅæøå) (dunno of they work on irc, but I see them when I type). However, none of the symbols that require alt-gr work. I get the symbol it would have typed if I hadn't helt alt-gr. How can I mke that button work with VNC? |
| 12:12.52 | liable | dvsdude: uh, yeah, i know about marillat, thanks :) |
| 12:13.08 | dvsdude | liable: :-) |
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| 12:13.56 | jethro | hello #debian |
| 12:14.00 | creatin | petemc: what? |
| 12:14.07 | resiak | Hello jethro! |
| 12:14.14 | CosmoDad | where'd one place common data in Debian, like a common address book used by several users? |
| 12:14.25 | CosmoDad | placing in terms of filesystem location |
| 12:14.27 | petemc | creatin: hi! |
| 12:15.14 | liable | jethro: g'day! |
| 12:15.14 | creatin | petemc: i don't understand the diferent flavors, can u help? |
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| 12:15.35 | petemc | creatin: just install sarge, the bot (dpkg) just told you where to go |
| 12:15.42 | liable | creatin: well, what kind of processor you have? |
| 12:15.43 | dvsdude | Bombo: acroread at ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat only 22880Kb |
| 12:15.57 | liable | dvsdude: uncompressed 54M |
| 12:16.09 | liable | ! |
| 12:16.12 | creatin | liable: intel pentium |
| 12:16.22 | dvsdude | liable: but Bombo download 44mb |
| 12:16.25 | liable | creatin: get the 386 one |
| 12:16.32 | kinetik | dimir you mean gdm.conf? |
| 12:17.26 | creatin | look here there are like 5 difent for i386 http://linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=4 |
| 12:17.43 | liable | creatin: no! go where dpkg told you! |
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| 12:18.27 | dockane | i feel a little lost now, hope somebody can help me: i took look at (mainly man and info pages) of psutils, a2ps, imagemagick, tiff2ps and maybe some other i already forgot. i would like to convert a tiff to postscript (DIN A4, fullpage, centered) on commandline and print it with lpr. what would be the command chain for that ? |
| 12:19.07 | liable | creatin: btw, thats for woody, not sarge (woody is old stable, sarge is new) |
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| 12:19.27 | creatin | ok |
| 12:20.02 | liable | creatin: if you ask for help here, please follow the advice given.. |
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| 12:20.26 | dvsdude | cya later people |
| 12:20.31 | creatin | do i need all 14 of the discs to instal it? |
| 12:20.33 | liable | hehe, debhelper remembers the rima tards :) |
| 12:20.48 | orjan | gothtec: don't know about vnc, if it was a linux box it's nodeadkeys in x setup...perhaps it helps |
| 12:20.53 | liable | creatin: no, get the netinstaller if you have a decent connection |
| 12:21.16 | creatin | how much hard drive space do i need? |
| 12:21.18 | liable | ooh, it unbanned :( |
| 12:21.21 | mad | dockane: have a look at http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl1_convert.htm |
| 12:21.30 | mad | look for 'A4' |
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| 12:21.48 | liable | !tell creatin about ig |
| 12:21.51 | mad | first hit from simple googlesearch |
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| 12:22.31 | creatin | whats ig |
| 12:23.01 | liable | creatin: check your client for a message from dpkg.. |
| 12:23.46 | CosmoDad | at wich filesystem location would one place common data in Debian, like a common address book used by several users? |
| 12:24.03 | jm_ | does it anoy anyone else when you use !tell and cluebies claiming they didn't receive a message? or don't notice a message at all? it really anoys the fuck out of me - learn how to use your fucking IRC client before using IRC for help |
| 12:24.07 | dockane | mad: convert belongs to imagemagick. i.e. what do you suggest to make convert get a DIN A4 size out of a tiff image ? |
| 12:24.12 | jm_ | it's like using telephone for help and not knowing how to operate it |
| 12:24.25 | dpower | hehe |
| 12:24.37 | liable | heh :) |
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| 12:25.21 | dockane | mad: ah sorry missed one of your lines |
| 12:25.49 | terje` | does anyone know wich file is used for the gnome keyboard bindings? |
| 12:26.02 | terje` | I want to change some default applications to launch |
| 12:27.29 | gothtec | orjan: I was told alt gr is ctrl and alt at the same time. holding both those keys at a time doesn't work either. only locally |
| 12:27.34 | joedj | terje`: you are probably using metacity as a window-manager? take a look in gconf-editor |
| 12:27.45 | liable | terje`: doesnt it have an app thingy for setting that stuff? |
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| 12:28.01 | terje` | liable, no just for the keybindings themselves |
| 12:28.07 | terje` | not the applications they launch |
| 12:28.22 | terje` | like it launches rhytmbox as mediaplayer |
| 12:28.27 | terje` | but I want to launch xmms |
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| 12:29.03 | liable | terje`: hrm, it would be in there somewhere.. #gnome on there irc network.. |
| 12:29.13 | joedj | terje`: /metacity/global_keybindings in gconf-editor |
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| 12:29.21 | terje` | great tnx joedj |
| 12:29.33 | joedj | terje`: you can set run_command 1 through 12 |
| 12:30.00 | joedj | terje`: for example, you could set run_command_1 to <Super>Return |
| 12:30.06 | dockane | terje`: right click on the file type you want to open and |
| 12:30.24 | joedj | terje`: then in keybinding_commands (one item lower in the tree), set command_1 to xmms |
| 12:30.28 | orjan | gothtec: I only know that if I don't set nodeadkeys I can't access keys like ][} etc.in X, that are altgr + another key on swedish keybords |
| 12:30.32 | dockane | terje`: change the standard application |
| 12:30.49 | terje` | no dockane that doesn't do it, tried that |
| 12:30.58 | terje` | I think joedj's solution should work |
| 12:31.26 | dockane | terje`: maybe i missunderstand you ... its in properties->open with |
| 12:32.11 | terje` | no dockane I mean with the keyboard shortcuts, you can assign a key to launch a mediaplayer |
| 12:32.26 | terje` | but only rhytmbox is in there by default |
| 12:32.27 | liable | dockane: no, thats when you click on a file, terje` is talking about keybindings. |
| 12:32.46 | dockane | liable: terje`: ah i see, sorry |
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| 12:34.02 | mad | brb |
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| 12:34.07 | liable | terje`: http://gnome-hacks.jodrell.net/hacks.html?id=14 |
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| 12:34.27 | dockane | ls |
| 12:34.33 | liable | mv! |
| 12:34.45 | kinetik | i dont get it.. |
| 12:34.59 | kinetik | can someone tell me how to fix http://www.offworld.nl/misc/smallfont.jpg <-- that? |
| 12:35.19 | kinetik | it does that in other apps too :\ |
| 12:35.24 | gothtec | orjan: That's the sme way here, but those keys work fine locally. It's just when I log in remotely that they don't work |
| 12:36.12 | dockane | kinetik: install xfonts-100dpi-transcoded |
| 12:36.23 | dockane | kinetik: maybe 75dpi too |
| 12:36.37 | kinetik | but that wont affect other fonts? |
| 12:36.55 | kinetik | like for example the ones used for irc |
| 12:37.05 | dockane | kinetik: that worked for me to solve this problem and didnt cause any new problmes yet |
| 12:37.08 | Holborn | kinetik: edit you /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LANG |
| 12:37.30 | kinetik | ok ill have a look |
| 12:37.30 | jm_ | don't edit system wide files |
| 12:37.31 | kinetik | thanks : |
| 12:37.32 | kinetik | :) |
| 12:37.34 | jm_ | !gtk font size |
| 12:37.34 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
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| 12:40.11 | session | I am trying to connect to my smb server from a windows machine. I type in a username (same as I use on the debian machine) and the correct password. Still I can't get in. Anyone have an idea? I thought maybe I had to create smbpasswd file, but I think it was made when I din apt-get install. Thanks :) |
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| 12:40.42 | liable | session: no, it isnt created, you have to do it yourself. |
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| 12:41.53 | terje` | damn it works for normal keyboard shortcuts, but doesn't seem to do it with the multimedia keys |
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| 12:42.18 | terje` | but well, gonna keep trying some more stuff and hope it works eventually :) |
| 12:42.19 | orjan | I want to add to the root menu. I use fluxbox, is there one for fluxbox or a common debian one? |
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| 12:42.29 | sdsk8 | <script> |
| 12:42.38 | session | liable: should it go in /usr/bin/ or in /etc/ ? |
| 12:42.56 | liable | session: you just run smbpasswd |
| 12:42.59 | sdsk8 | <shutdown -m> |
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| 12:43.22 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:43.22 | dpkg | <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
| 12:43.32 | session | liable: cat /etc/passwd | mksmbpasswd.sh > /etc/smbpasswd? |
| 12:43.56 | liable | session: man smbpasswd, dont make up stuff of your own :) |
| 12:44.17 | session | liable: Ok :) |
| 12:46.09 | tygore | I am looking for an easy way to install debian, and just asked dpkg about knoppix, and wondered that it says it is not debian. well, is there any easy way to install debian for "dummies"? |
| 12:46.21 | session | liable: It ask's me for the ols smb password. How can I know what it is, when I've nerver used it before? |
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| 12:46.47 | liable | session: fucked if i know what you have done :) |
| 12:46.56 | dockane | i am still los |
| 12:47.11 | session | liable: I din ./smbpasswd |
| 12:47.25 | jm_ | tygore: read installation manual |
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| 12:48.23 | Guerin | !install for dummies is <reply> 1) acquire debian cd 2) place cd in cdrom drive 3) reboot 4) mash enter repeatedly until it mashing enter doesn't work any more 5) enter usernames and passwords as requested |
| 12:48.24 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 12:48.35 | Guerin | that's the short of it |
| 12:48.38 | Guerin | really |
| 12:48.49 | Guerin | my rabbit could install debian |
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| 12:49.46 | tygore | Guerin: thanks, honestly, after all the rumor about debian, it was hard to believe that. |
| 12:49.52 | tygore | not that I cannot read |
| 12:50.16 | n00b2000 | If it's open source, what software is ftp.debian.org for hosting ftp? |
| 12:50.37 | Guerin | tygore: yeah, it is that easy. Basic usage is easy, really. it's customisation and running servers which requires skills. |
| 12:50.50 | Guerin | n00b2000: debian.org is hosted on free software |
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| 12:51.23 | Guerin | n00b2000: as you can see by doing telnet ftp.debian.org 21 |
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| 12:52.02 | dpower | 220 saens.debian.org FTP server (vsftpd) |
| 12:52.16 | Guerin | !prize dpower |
| 12:52.21 | n00b2000 | Guerin, I thought so, but what software? I've been looking around for a stable ftp server, but haven't came up with much.. I saw apache's incubator software, but it was in java and did not have an official release yet. |
| 12:52.29 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 12:52.38 | dpower | ... |
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| 12:52.44 | liable | !qotd10 |
| 12:52.44 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd10 is <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
| 12:52.50 | Guerin | n00b2000: you can't find an ftp server??!?11/ |
| 12:53.06 | joedj | terje`: hehe i was trying to figure out why it didn't work for my multimedia keys either, then i remembered that i run sawfish, and don't have this problem... ;-) |
| 12:53.10 | dpower | !beer dpower |
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| 12:54.25 | CAiRO | hmm, i've configured fetchmail now to get mail from my remote imap server and it delivers it to my local mailbox, but how do i get it into my imap directory structure from there? (my mail client does that but when i'm not at home and checking mail from elsewhere this doesn't work) |
| 12:54.46 | Guerin | CAiRO: configure your mta to deliver it where you want it |
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| 12:56.16 | n00b2000 | Guerin, ahh, nm. I've just been completely dense in source forge. |
| 12:56.34 | Guerin | n00b2000: apt-cache search ftpd |
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| 12:57.44 | tygore | when I want to install mysql-server it is going to uninstall mysql-common-4.1 |
| 12:57.47 | tygore | is it normal? |
| 12:57.48 | fireba11 | n00b2000: there are about a dozen common ones .. ^^ |
| 12:57.57 | fireba11 | tygore: of course |
| 12:57.58 | Guerin | tygore: what branch of debian |
| 12:58.07 | tygore | unstable |
| 12:58.19 | jm_ | tygore: yes |
| 12:58.19 | Guerin | tygore: why the hell are you running unstable? |
| 12:58.20 | fireba11 | tygore: because it will install mysql 4.0.x and thus remove 4.1.x |
| 12:58.21 | tygore | but what is actually mysql-common? |
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| 12:58.37 | tygore | mysql-common-4.1, I mean |
| 12:58.50 | tygore | I could find enough info about it anywhere |
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| 12:59.00 | tygore | I couldn't find enough info about it anywhere |
| 12:59.02 | tygore | sorry! |
| 12:59.04 | fireba11 | mysql.com ? |
| 12:59.11 | postfixneed | How can i from the commandline see what the mx record is for a domain? |
| 12:59.18 | asg | postfixneed: dig <domain> mx |
| 12:59.21 | Guerin | apt-cache show mysql-common-4.1 |
| 12:59.41 | n00b2000 | fireba11, Yeah, all I'm looking for is a well used common one I know is secure, like what the debian site's own server would be or similar. |
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| 12:59.59 | Guerin | n00b2000: you have been told already what debian uses for ftp |
| 13:00.08 | jm_ | or how to find out |
| 13:00.13 | n00b2000 | *nod |
| 13:00.16 | fireba11 | n00b2000: depends on what you need .. vsftp is pretty simple and secure but might not be flexible enough for your needs |
| 13:00.22 | tygore | Guerin: yeah, It is not enough info. |
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| 13:01.00 | fireba11 | tygore: then go to mysql.com and read about the differences of the versions there |
| 13:01.22 | steigweis | i need a slim and fast ditro for my weak 300mhz notebook. my first idea was debian with fluxbox. what do you think? |
| 13:01.30 | tygore | doh! I thought it's a debian repackaging thing. |
| 13:01.31 | asg | steigweis: sounds good to me |
| 13:01.40 | Guerin | steigweis: i run debian with *box on a p2-233 notebook |
| 13:01.55 | Guerin | steigweis: my main all-purpose machine |
| 13:02.03 | steigweis | :) nice |
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| 13:02.20 | petemc | Guerin: i was given a p2 233 ibm thinkpad the other day, runs well |
| 13:02.38 | steigweis | i have got a thinkpad too |
| 13:02.44 | steigweis | great laptops |
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| 13:03.51 | liable | i need a new fucking keyboard for mine, bastard thing. |
| 13:04.03 | liable | and cd player.. |
| 13:04.07 | jimmyw | heya everyone, i keep getting an error : setting locale failed anytime i access perl , anyone know how to fix this? thanks |
| 13:04.37 | asg | jimmyw: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:04.48 | asg | jimmyw: also, /msg dpkg locales |
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| 13:05.01 | jm_ | he was told that in the morning ;) |
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| 13:05.09 | jimmyw | asg that wont wreck anything will it? its a server in work |
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| 13:05.45 | asg | jimmyw: it shouldn't unless the server is sensitive to locale information in such a way that changing it will mess something up. |
| 13:06.14 | jimmyw | asg it has a postgresql db on it which uses utf-8 encoding, it wont mess with that will it? |
| 13:06.31 | asg | jimmyw: if this is something only you care about for your own user, then just set the LANG variable in your dotfiles |
| 13:06.54 | asg | jimmyw: I have no idea if postgresql honors system locales or uses it's own internal implementation. Perhaps #postgresql knows |
| 13:06.58 | jimmyw | ok,il try dpkg-reconfigure locales and get back to you... |
| 13:07.07 | jimmyw | brb, thanks |
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| 13:09.10 | Guerin | fuck |
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| 13:09.23 | Guerin | i inadvertantly unplugged my ikillah while it was unmounting |
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| 13:09.44 | Guerin | it plays fine, and all, but now I can't mount it as UMS |
| 13:09.46 | liable | is it a deadikillah? |
| 13:09.58 | Guerin | it's not even in /proc/partitions |
| 13:10.27 | Guerin | stupid vfat |
| 13:10.32 | session | How do I make apache not start up at boot? |
| 13:10.52 | jm_ | hmm might not be vfat related |
| 13:10.52 | liable | session: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:10.52 | asg | session: man update-rc.d |
| 13:10.52 | Guerin | session: uninstall it |
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| 13:13.06 | morky | hi |
| 13:13.26 | morky | i ve got a prob. with configing ftp |
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| 13:13.53 | abrotman | tell us more! |
| 13:13.56 | yeha | not only with ftp |
| 13:14.04 | session | Ok, I'm trying to set the smb password for users with smbpasswd, but it gives me: machine 127.0.0.1 rejected the (anonymous) password change: Error was : Account disabled. |
| 13:14.04 | session | Failed to change password for session |
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| 13:14.15 | abrotman | #samba ? |
| 13:14.19 | asg | session: have you consulted #samba? |
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| 13:14.36 | liable | which never has anyone that answers questions |
| 13:14.36 | session | asg: Did not know it existed ;) |
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| 13:15.16 | asg | session: /msg chanserv help (for easily finding channels) |
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| 13:15.21 | abrotman | liable: that's not true at all .. i got plenty of help in there .. it just depends on the number of mice in oregon today |
| 13:15.24 | jimmyw | asg , the problem is that i dont have locales installed, it says it depends on glibc when i try apt-get it, and i cant find glibc to install it |
| 13:15.32 | asg | ? |
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| 13:15.37 | jimmyw | is there anyway to just stop the error being displayed? |
| 13:15.43 | session | asg: thank you |
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| 13:15.51 | asg | jimmyw: LANG=<your lang> perl |
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| 13:15.58 | liable | abrotman: heh.... what? |
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| 13:16.16 | jimmyw | ok asg, one sec |
| 13:16.36 | asg | jimmyw: i.e. LANG=en_US foo (that sort of thing) |
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| 13:17.04 | jimmyw | says: warning: falling back to standard locale("C") |
| 13:17.16 | asg | jimmyw: does it shut up if you use LANG=C |
| 13:17.21 | jimmyw | il try it now |
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| 13:17.28 | jm_ | well en_US wouldn't work if you don't have it generated, and as you don't have locales installed ... |
| 13:17.36 | asg | jm_: yeah, true |
| 13:17.42 | liable | !confuse abrotman |
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| 13:17.43 | dpkg | Yes, what are my weasel today, abrotman? trousers of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 13:17.52 | liable | :) |
| 13:17.53 | jimmyw | jm_, anyway of just stopping error being displayed? |
| 13:17.55 | dpower | haha |
| 13:17.57 | asg | mmmmmm, crab paste |
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| 13:18.14 | jm_ | jimmyw: yes, use C as asg told you |
| 13:18.26 | abrotman | liable: it was a joke .. it's just a timely thing .. some days .. good help .. some days bad |
| 13:18.33 | abrotman | !crabpastesmite asg |
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| 13:18.43 | liable | abrotman: yeah, i realise that :) |
| 13:18.50 | asg | abrotman: not where I usually put it but thanks nontheless |
| 13:18.58 | abrotman | asg: you can get it out! |
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| 13:19.28 | asg | abrotman: I know about the FB, I'm just not fond of snot on my sandwiches |
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| 13:20.20 | jimmyw | guys i think that worked |
| 13:20.25 | jimmyw | thanks a million |
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| 13:21.06 | session | asg: Not much help in #samba. No one is answering |
| 13:21.16 | Guerin | !they aren't there |
| 13:21.16 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel aren't helping with your non-debian problem , it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 13:21.34 | Guerin | huzzah! |
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| 13:21.39 | liable | awww, but samba is hard! |
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| 13:21.45 | asg | session: try www.oreilly.com/openbook (Using Samba 2nd Ed.) See if it gives you some pointers |
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| 13:21.47 | liable | !be a samba barbie |
| 13:21.48 | dpkg | Aww, samba is hard! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 13:21.59 | Guerin | plugging the ikillah into my camera and writing a file to it using the udb host function worked fine |
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| 13:22.14 | Guerin | and now it's recognised by the kernel too, for great justice |
| 13:22.26 | Guerin | score one more for nikon's proprietary embedded camera os |
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| 13:25.21 | dpower | samba isnt hard |
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| 13:25.48 | liable | so answer the question. :) |
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| 13:26.10 | dpower | which is...? |
| 13:26.23 | asg | dpower: /lastlog session |
| 13:26.47 | dpower | Unknown command: LASTLOG |
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| 13:27.13 | Guerin | it must suck to use suc a weak irc client |
| 13:27.15 | liable | get an irc client that doesnt suck dog balls? |
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| 13:27.45 | dpower | hah |
| 13:27.49 | dpower | im using mIRC |
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| 13:27.56 | Guerin | ... |
| 13:27.58 | pngwn | heh |
| 13:28.07 | Ang-st | hi there |
| 13:28.09 | knightfoo | oh, hit that special pgup key |
| 13:28.20 | dpower | go for it |
| 13:28.21 | ryushe | yes, mirc, King ofall IRC clients </sarcasm> |
| 13:28.34 | dpower | can u recommend a better one? |
| 13:28.42 | Guerin | irssi-text |
| 13:28.46 | abrotman | asg: farmer's blow = cover one nostril .. blow hard out the other .. hopefully dislodging the snot |
| 13:28.48 | ryushe | bitchx, irsii etc etc |
| 13:28.53 | Ang-st | i have littlte trouble with a realtek rtl-8029 on a sarge amd64 |
| 13:28.58 | dpower | is it irssi or irsii |
| 13:29.03 | liable | abrotman: we call that a bikie-blow here :) |
| 13:29.04 | abrotman | irssi |
| 13:29.07 | abrotman | !best irc client |
| 13:29.08 | dpkg | i guess irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 13:29.17 | dpower | only runs on linux? |
| 13:29.18 | ryushe | typo on my side there :) |
| 13:29.32 | liable | dpower: xchat for windows.. |
| 13:29.32 | Guerin | dpower: no, runs on lots of other OSen as well |
| 13:29.37 | ryushe | I take it you're here cause you're running debian? :) |
| 13:29.48 | Guerin | putty is the best irc client for windows |
| 13:29.48 | dpower | i run debian on the server box yes |
| 13:29.52 | Pixels- | mIRC w/ wine |
| 13:29.56 | Pixels- | for the win |
| 13:29.59 | Ang-st | i get NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out while starting the interface or pinging my gw ... |
| 13:30.03 | Guerin | of course, it's only any use if the irc client itself is running on a debian box |
| 13:30.05 | liable | hah, yeah putty would have to be. |
| 13:30.12 | ryushe | weell then dpower, just run irssi in a screen ;) |
| 13:30.18 | ryushe | on your server that is |
| 13:30.30 | dpower | its command line only |
| 13:30.37 | dpower | will it werk? |
| 13:30.41 | ryushe | so? so is mine, and I do it too |
| 13:30.42 | fireba11 | liable: still waiting for tabbed putty .. :-) |
| 13:30.43 | Guerin | of course |
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| 13:31.06 | ryushe | there is really little need for X if all you do is use irc and read slashdot now and then ;) |
| 13:31.09 | dpower | cool i get that |
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| 13:31.41 | dpower | oh wonderful its a .deb and all :) |
| 13:32.01 | ryushe | of course it is, and with even more luck you'll find in it in apt as well |
| 13:32.04 | dpower | anyone know the exact name? |
| 13:32.14 | ryushe | apt-get install irssi probably |
| 13:32.16 | dpower | apt-get install irssi-text* ? |
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| 13:32.18 | dpower | k |
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| 13:33.44 | Gijs | Hi |
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| 13:34.29 | Gijs | I'm getting this message when upgrading the login package: |
| 13:34.31 | Gijs | unable to stat `./usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/shadow.mo' (which I was about to install): Input/output error |
| 13:34.32 | ducky | what init.d script controls kerberos? |
| 13:34.42 | Gijs | What could be the problem ? |
| 13:35.04 | asg | ducky: dpkg -L <pkg> | grep init.d |
| 13:35.06 | dpower | where does it put ircii after teh apt-get install ? |
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| 13:35.24 | asg | ducky: dpkg -L <pkg> | grep bin |
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| 13:36.12 | Gijs | Anybody got an idea ? I can't upgrade other packages because of apt not going further because of that error. |
| 13:36.47 | knightfoo | Gijs: might want to run a fsck before proceeding |
| 13:37.02 | Lutin_Triste | anyone know where i could download the debian icon? |
| 13:37.10 | knightfoo | uhm |
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| 13:37.12 | knightfoo | redhat.com |
| 13:37.18 | knightfoo | click on "Debian Icons" |
| 13:37.35 | Gijs | knightfoo, ok. |
| 13:37.35 | Lutin_Triste | a good one |
| 13:37.37 | Pixels- | gah enlightenment hates me |
| 13:37.40 | asg | Lutin_Triste: http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 13:37.43 | Gijs | tnx |
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| 13:39.09 | aurax | is there another 'like webmin' application ? |
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| 13:39.34 | Lutin_Triste | i mean a transparent one not with a white background |
| 13:39.50 | knightfoo | Lutin_Triste: make one. apt-get install gimp |
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| 13:40.29 | kinetik | can anyone tell me how to install java? i got it to work before but now i cant seem to get it anymore :\ |
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| 13:40.46 | knightfoo | download it from sun and check out java-package |
| 13:41.00 | kinetik | i installed the java-package and downloaded the jre |
| 13:41.09 | yeha | remembering, that they have a install-howto also |
| 13:41.13 | kinetik | but i cant seem to do anything with the jre |
| 13:41.30 | aurax | anyone? |
| 13:41.32 | kinetik | i looked at that..and it didnt exactly help me |
| 13:41.49 | knightfoo | if you created the package with java-package and installed it, you should just be able to run "java" |
| 13:41.57 | ducky | Samba as stopped working and in my log.smbd I'm getting this... [2005/10/13 08:35:24, 1] smbd/sesssetup.c:reply_spnego_kerberos(173) |
| 13:41.58 | ducky | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.11 | kinetik | i used make-dpkg on it before to make a deb but that doesnt work now |
| 13:42.17 | mirak | hi |
| 13:42.17 | ducky | I thought if I restarted kerberos that would help |
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| 13:42.27 | knightfoo | make-kpkg? |
| 13:42.32 | knightfoo | err dpkg |
| 13:42.34 | asg | kinetik: make-jpkg, not make-kpkg |
| 13:42.34 | mirak | what is the name of the binary that can do a trace of a running binary |
| 13:42.35 | mirak | ? |
| 13:42.41 | asg | mirak: strace |
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| 13:42.49 | ducky | I can't find were to do that and the dpkg -L <pkg> | grep bin isn't helping find it |
| 13:42.54 | mirak | asg: thanks, I forgot the s :D |
| 13:43.05 | kinetik | hmm a j? |
| 13:43.12 | knightfoo | java package? |
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| 13:43.32 | kinetik | omg |
| 13:43.32 | asg | kinetik: if you use java-package to create a deb from a jre |
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| 13:43.40 | kinetik | that was it :P |
| 13:43.54 | asg | kinetik: make-kpkg is for building kernels the 'Debian' way |
| 13:44.07 | kinetik | dunno where the d came from.. |
| 13:44.12 | kinetik | jpkg did the trick |
| 13:44.37 | knightfoo | thankfully there is no java kernel yet |
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| 13:44.57 | knightfoo | then you'll need make-jkpkg |
| 13:44.57 | aurax | so is there a better app then webmin ? |
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| 13:45.02 | aurax | for debian |
| 13:45.04 | liable | vim? |
| 13:45.11 | asg | knightfoo: 'Booting..... [better go get a coffee, this is going to take hours]' |
| 13:45.12 | kinetik | :) |
| 13:45.13 | knightfoo | aurax: you could learn how to configure things yourself |
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| 13:45.23 | aurax | its for a client |
| 13:45.23 | aurax | doh |
| 13:45.24 | asg | aurax: yes, ssh + command line tools and editors |
| 13:45.26 | AlphaOmega_wrk | config files with color coding in vim is great |
| 13:45.26 | knightfoo | "better" or "lazier"? |
| 13:45.29 | aurax | gees |
| 13:45.30 | aurax | fucking geeks |
| 13:45.36 | CosmoDad | is there a way to make QT packages look like GTK and vice verca? |
| 13:45.39 | asg | aurax: then use shitty cpanel like other morons |
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| 13:45.45 | aurax | its gay |
| 13:45.51 | asg | !gay |
| 13:45.51 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 13:45.52 | mirak | asg: hmm I want to grep the strace result, but it goes on stderr, do you know how to get it with a pipe ? |
| 13:45.52 | ralf | CosmoDad: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt |
| 13:45.54 | aurax | now where is the moron that will do !gay |
| 13:45.55 | aurax | lol |
| 13:45.56 | aurax | here we go |
| 13:46.00 | aurax | !tell aurax -about gay |
| 13:46.01 | jvw | !ops asg is abusing a asker of a serious question |
| 13:46.02 | aurax | YES!! |
| 13:46.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: asg is abusing a asker of a serious question |
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| 13:46.08 | asg | mirak: strace ... 2>&1 | grep |
| 13:46.09 | aurax | now thats a sexi |
| 13:46.11 | aurax | thing to do |
| 13:46.15 | mirak | asg: thanks |
| 13:46.19 | liable | jvw: wtf/ |
| 13:46.21 | liable | ? |
| 13:46.34 | CosmoDad | ralf: what about the other way around? |
| 13:46.47 | aurax | is cpanel free? |
| 13:46.49 | asg | jvw: feel free to /ignore me |
| 13:46.51 | ralf | this makes gtk looks like qt |
| 13:46.56 | liable | meh, who removed the $whois gay :) |
| 13:46.57 | asg | aurax: no and not supported by #debian either |
| 13:46.58 | dorto | where to find info regarding installation of real player in debian sarge? |
| 13:46.58 | jvw | liable: someone asks for alternatives to webmin, and is being called a moron -- that's abuse in my book |
| 13:47.05 | dorto | dpkg has no help |
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| 13:47.10 | aurax | oh noes! |
| 13:47.14 | aurax | not supported |
| 13:47.20 | asg | jvw: I called cpanel a product used by morons. I didn't call aurax a moron. |
| 13:47.21 | aurax | so is there any other solution then webmin and cpanel |
| 13:47.23 | aurax | that is opensource? |
| 13:47.30 | jvw | aurax: I'm not aware of any |
| 13:47.36 | knightfoo | what is wrong with webmin? |
| 13:47.37 | aurax | okay |
| 13:47.41 | jvw | aurax: webmin is ttbomk the best thing available in that leage of software |
| 13:47.42 | asg | !webmin |
| 13:47.42 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 13:47.42 | aurax | the client dont like it |
| 13:47.43 | liable | jvw: well, this isnt #ubuntu, you dont call the ops for something like that. either reason with them or go away. |
| 13:47.46 | aurax | see |
| 13:47.53 | knightfoo | yes yes, i know why i wouldnt use webmin |
| 13:47.55 | Guerin | aurax: some individual apps have their own control panel-like things |
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| 13:48.14 | jvw | liable: maybe there is a reason #debian is often called the worst channel for newbie's ever, and #ubuntu isn't |
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| 13:48.33 | knightfoo | i thought people liked ubuntu because they package nude wallpapers with the distro? |
| 13:48.35 | Ronin | jvw: no ones forcing anyone to stay here |
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| 13:48.43 | mirak | look what IBM is doing with is java VM : stat64("/etc/jre/bin/j9vm/libjvm.so", 0x7fd1d570) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) . They exept us to install the jre into /etc/ |
| 13:48.43 | asg | jvw: newbies don't setup web control panels for clients |
| 13:48.46 | aurax | lol knightfoo |
| 13:48.49 | aurax | !ubuntu |
| 13:48.49 | liable | jvw: indded, feel free to /part seeing as we arent getting paid to support yuo |
| 13:48.54 | jvw | Ronin: this is #debian, goal of it is to help new Debian users with questions they have |
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| 13:49.03 | aurax | ubuntu si kewl |
| 13:49.04 | aurax | is* |
| 13:49.05 | kinetik | time for another reboot.. |
| 13:49.10 | jvw | there is no reason to abuse people like this |
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| 13:49.20 | asg | jvw: /ignore is your friend |
| 13:49.23 | knightfoo | who needs a reason to abuse people? |
| 13:49.29 | aurax | me |
| 13:49.30 | Ronin | ack, its meeting time, this should be so much fun |
| 13:49.36 | knightfoo | senseless abuse is the only way to go |
| 13:49.39 | jvw | asg: I'm interested in having the channel improves, /ignore'ing people is ignoring the problem |
| 13:49.41 | dorto | can real player be installed using apt-get(using nonfree apt source)? |
| 13:49.50 | mirak | or maybe the problem comes from the alternatives I have just set |
| 13:49.57 | liable | dorto: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 13:50.01 | mirak | weird |
| 13:50.03 | Guerin | dorto: check packages.debian.org |
| 13:50.03 | dorto | ok |
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| 13:50.10 | Guerin | but ftlog |
| 13:50.17 | RichiH | jvw: where exatly did asg abuse aurax? |
| 13:50.19 | Guerin | use something other than realplayer |
| 13:50.21 | joey_ | hello, does someone know how to make work japanese input? |
| 13:50.25 | Guerin | it's nasty |
| 13:50.34 | asg | RichiH: feel free to +kb me, I'm not helpful apparently |
| 13:50.36 | jjazz | joey_, google debian japanese howto |
| 13:50.40 | RichiH | asg: heh |
| 13:50.51 | abrotman | !tell dorto about helixplayer |
| 13:50.52 | jvw | RichiH: < aurax> so is there a better app then webmin ? < asg> aurax: then use shitty cpanel like other morons |
| 13:50.55 | ircops | you non-helpful bastard ;) |
| 13:50.55 | ircops | lol |
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| 13:51.05 | abrotman | dorto: the website links to the real player stuff |
| 13:51.06 | jjazz | joey_, I did it on a box once, and it's a lot of work, but it's doable. |
| 13:51.13 | abrotman | dorto: but yes .. it's a pain and barely works |
| 13:51.18 | Guerin | joey_: aptitude search cjk input; should give you plenty of options |
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| 13:51.19 | abrotman | jjazz: horrible call! |
| 13:51.23 | liable | marillat has it.. |
| 13:51.23 | dorto | :& |
| 13:51.27 | jjazz | abrotman, ? |
| 13:51.37 | joey_ | thanks jjazz and Guerin |
| 13:51.51 | abrotman | jjazz: ChiSox :) |
| 13:52.00 | dorto | is there a free software to play real media content then? or even the real media format is patented? |
| 13:52.04 | joey_ | i was used to uim-anthy and skim, bud seems that theres no deb package for skim (and scim-qtimm) |
| 13:52.08 | jjazz | abrotman, I didn't catch the game last night. What happened? |
| 13:52.24 | Guerin | dorto: it's all proprietary, but most of it can be played with w32codecs from marillat, in the player of your choice |
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| 13:52.41 | dorto | ok |
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| 13:52.51 | aurax | hehe |
| 13:52.55 | abrotman | jjazz: third strike .. catcher caught it clean .. ump didn't think so .. batter took first .. then was batted home with 2 outs :) |
| 13:52.56 | Guerin | dorto: helixplayer is also supposedly free software, but i don't know if it's in debian or worth using |
| 13:52.56 | RichiH | jvw: hmm. while asg's morons were perhaps a bit hard, aurax was hardly friendly, either |
| 13:53.08 | Guerin | basically everything ever made by real is utter shit in my experience |
| 13:53.16 | yeha | dorto: possibly vlc will solve your problem, but i'm not sure |
| 13:53.20 | dorto | ok, i will install that and check out if it plays streamed real media content |
| 13:53.21 | abrotman | dorto: helixplayer can't handle REAL formats .. which is why i told you to go to the site .. it's all explained there |
| 13:53.22 | aurax | I AM FRIENDLY! |
| 13:53.23 | paulswm | Anyone who seeks to kick asg is a bigger moron, in my opinion |
| 13:53.25 | jjazz | abrotman, games shouldn't turn on stuff like that, but they often do. |
| 13:53.25 | Guerin | yeha: it's all about codecs. |
| 13:53.31 | dorto | ok :( |
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| 13:54.02 | dpower | has anyone played CS:S on a linux machine? |
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| 13:54.07 | abrotman | jjazz: it was tied 1-1 bottom of the 9th :) |
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| 13:54.13 | jjazz | abrotman, ouch |
| 13:54.14 | Guerin | !anyone use CS:S |
| 13:54.14 | dpkg | No, no one uses CS:S, not even the people who use it. |
| 13:54.17 | dpower | CHI SOX WIN |
| 13:54.19 | abrotman | jjazz: good game though |
| 13:54.20 | aurax | lol |
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| 13:54.28 | Tortel | css sucks |
| 13:54.30 | Tortel | :| |
| 13:54.43 | jjazz | abrotman, WIsh I could have seen it. Instead I was selling tickets to a party. |
| 13:54.44 | Tortel | with all their "1337" "skillz" |
| 13:54.52 | dpower | cs pwnz |
| 13:54.55 | jvw | RichiH: I probably should have taken the approach of talking people out of it etc, but previous experiences learned that hardly helps :-/. and < knightfoo> who needs a reason to abuse people? < knightfoo> senseless abuse is the only way to go -- is also not promising |
| 13:54.56 | Guerin | yeha: you wouldn't have been able to play it with anything if you hadn't the right codecs - and in theory, once you have the codecs, any competent media player should work |
| 13:55.04 | Guerin | in theory - not necessarily reality |
| 13:55.06 | aurax | pwnz ehh? |
| 13:55.17 | dpower | yes |
| 13:55.26 | aurax | never played with it |
| 13:55.31 | aurax | <- cs n00b |
| 13:55.35 | jvw | RichiH: it's hard to do something about a general atmosphere in a channel I realize, but I sure know I don't like the current atmosphere here |
| 13:55.39 | ircops | jvw: you're about getting to the narc phase. no offense, btw |
| 13:55.43 | dpower | you know whut im talkin about rite |
| 13:55.46 | aurax | jvw : |
| 13:55.52 | jvw | ircops: what is narc? |
| 13:56.04 | RichiH | jvw: disregard ircops :p |
| 13:56.08 | pngwn | jvw, yes...way too much whining going on |
| 13:56.08 | jjazz | abrotman, speaking of such, wanna come to a party in the catskills next weekend? There will be big explosions: http://www.kaax.org/images/gallery/CampD_Jul05/GunsAndFlames/ |
| 13:56.11 | ircops | heheh sorry.. |
| 13:56.20 | Guerin | jvw: i think what's been made clear by the recent DD and DPL crackdown on this channel is that those who want the atmosphere to change need to become part of the solution |
| 13:56.28 | Guerin | a few have, most have come and gone |
| 13:56.34 | RichiH | jvw: i understand what you mean, yes. talking can be worthwhile, though |
| 13:56.34 | knightfoo | yeah, instead of a precipitate |
| 13:56.40 | jvw | Guerin: I gave up myself mostly, but tend to look in here from time to time |
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| 13:56.47 | Guerin | these cats can't be herded |
| 13:56.49 | RichiH | jvw: and the channel has gotten better, already |
| 13:56.54 | jvw | Guerin: like I did 10 minutes ago, and I saw what I noted |
| 13:56.57 | ircops | !ircops |
| 13:56.57 | dpkg | hmm... ircops is a smartass that doesn't know how to be nice, although he calls me a good bot sometimes. |
| 13:57.00 | Guerin | jvw: right. |
| 13:57.06 | caphuso | jvw: good. then keep to that before attacking regulars that do way than that |
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| 13:57.16 | caphuso | s/way/way more/ |
| 13:57.17 | baikonur | hi |
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| 13:57.47 | jvw | RichiH: good to hear that, I must have jumped in a bad moment then |
| 13:57.50 | Guerin | yeha: why are you messaging me? |
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| 13:58.13 | Guerin | yeha: vlc does come with a bunch of codecs, but nothing which will play wmv or real. |
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| 13:58.59 | fbi | there is a realplayer for linux that will build and work on sarge |
| 13:59.06 | Guerin | fbi: build? |
| 13:59.22 | fbi | yeah, i think it's a tar.gz |
| 13:59.24 | Guerin | fbi: isn't it statically built and buggy as a bastard? |
| 13:59.28 | liable | i swear that homework comes to #debian at times.. |
| 13:59.30 | fbi | is it a *.deb? |
| 13:59.35 | RichiH | jvw: :) |
| 13:59.37 | fbi | been a while since i used it |
| 13:59.37 | baikonur | I want cupsd to listen only on 127.0.0.1:631 and not on 0 0.0.0.0:631/tcp/udp. Therefore I put a line "Listen 127.0.0.1:631" in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, but then I get "StartListening: Unable to bind socket for address 00000000:631 - the address is already used" |
| 13:59.42 | Guerin | fbi: um, since it's proprietary and closed-source, I sincerely doubt it |
| 13:59.52 | asg | baikonur: did you stop cups first? |
| 14:00.12 | RichiH | Guerin: wasn't helix supposed to be open source? |
| 14:00.17 | RichiH | the helix player, that is |
| 14:00.21 | RichiH | sorry helix :) |
| 14:00.26 | Guerin | RichiH: yeah, but it's crippled, apparently. |
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| 14:00.33 | baikonur | asg: no, but I restarted it |
| 14:00.36 | liable | once again, marillat has realplayer-10. |
| 14:00.39 | asg | baikonur: also, check that there aren't any other 'Listen' lines in the config that conflict with your newly added line |
| 14:00.40 | fbi | Guerin you're probably right, i avoid real media files if at all possible |
| 14:00.47 | Guerin | the player, the real helix wasn't crippled last I knew |
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| 14:00.57 | Guerin | liable: don't make it any less like arse |
| 14:01.04 | concept10 | I get this when attemtping to stop apache: /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 14:01.04 | concept10 | Stopping web server: Apache2 ... no pidfile found! not running?.Whats the problem? |
| 14:01.05 | aurax | anyone using kolab here? |
| 14:01.11 | liable | Guerin: i didnt say that :) |
| 14:01.14 | Guerin | concept10: no pidfile found |
| 14:01.24 | Guerin | concept10: is apache2 running? |
| 14:01.26 | jjazz | concept10, it looks like apache2 isn't running |
| 14:01.29 | baikonur | asg: it makes no difference if I stop it and start it or if I restart it, at least concerning the error message |
| 14:01.31 | jvw | aurax: please ask your question, rather than starting a poll -- helps you more |
| 14:01.32 | asg | concept10: apache is either not running or its pid has been deleted. |
| 14:01.34 | xwolf | aurax: yes |
| 14:01.43 | asg | baikonur: grep ^Listen /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 14:01.45 | concept10 | Many instances are running |
| 14:01.47 | aurax | ah kewl, xwolf you success working it with samba ? |
| 14:01.52 | Guerin | baikonur: netstat -plaunt |grep 631; as root will tell you what's listening on that |
| 14:01.54 | asg | baikonur: if only one line is returned, paste it |
| 14:02.07 | Guerin | !anyone use kolab |
| 14:02.08 | dpkg | No, no one uses kolab, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:02.21 | aurax | !anyone use Guerin Brain |
| 14:02.28 | Guerin | heh |
| 14:02.29 | aurax | ah sad |
| 14:02.29 | ircops | lol |
| 14:02.30 | ircops | :D |
| 14:02.31 | ircops | hahaha |
| 14:02.33 | Guerin | what brain? |
| 14:02.37 | aurax | see! |
| 14:02.37 | aurax | ;p |
| 14:02.43 | liable | no, no one uses it.. |
| 14:02.46 | liable | :) |
| 14:02.47 | aurax | indeed |
| 14:02.48 | concept10 | ps aux after running stop command: www-data 18361 0.0 3.1 31520 18336 ? S Oct08 0:32 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL |
| 14:02.50 | ircops | <dpkg> Can't find Guerin Brain! |
| 14:02.51 | asg | concept10: it may also be gracefully shutting down (server stopped and not taking new queries but still finishing serving other clients) |
| 14:03.00 | aurax | xwolf so u success working it with samba ? |
| 14:03.15 | aurax | hehe, i got a lame 8gb drive warming up my leg |
| 14:03.17 | xwolf | samba? and kolab? whatever for |
| 14:03.23 | baikonur | Guerin: I know what's listening, and cupsd listens now only for tcp on 127.0.0.1:631 but udp is 0.0.0.0:631 |
| 14:03.25 | xwolf | you realize what kolab is meant for? |
| 14:03.26 | fbi | what do you guys think causes speaker popping when playing two audio files simultaneously, not enough memory or too slow cpu |
| 14:03.33 | aurax | sure, but i saw nice article |
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| 14:03.38 | aurax | explaining how to work it out and make benefits |
| 14:03.39 | aurax | of it |
| 14:03.44 | aurax | but couldnt make it to work |
| 14:03.48 | Guerin | yeha: nope, I didn't. I talked in-channel. You messaged me, and I'm still unclear why, but i don't much care. |
| 14:03.53 | aurax | all the tools used there are seriously lame php coded |
| 14:03.55 | xwolf | aurax: tough luck |
| 14:03.56 | fbi | i know it isn't the software because more than one mixing app does this |
| 14:03.58 | aurax | yeh |
| 14:04.03 | xwolf | aurax: you don't say :) |
| 14:04.04 | concept10 | asg, i just checked, its still serving - has a couple of instances open, server is on my internal lany |
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| 14:04.12 | ircops | fbi: buffers? |
| 14:04.15 | aurax | xwolf: let me show you ... |
| 14:04.21 | asg | baikonur: oh, that's the browse port (look for BrowsePort 631 in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 14:04.31 | xwolf | aurax: don't bother, i know more about kolab than i want |
| 14:04.32 | aurax | xwolf : http://wpkg.org/kolab/ |
| 14:04.45 | concept10 | is there a way to force crapache to shutdown? |
| 14:04.51 | abrotman | jjazz: i'd end up dead :) |
| 14:04.52 | Guerin | yeha: you're still doing it ! |
| 14:04.53 | ircops | fbi: how much popping?like frequent or every now and then? |
| 14:04.53 | asg | concept10: is it accepting new instances though (from new clients, not keepalive connections) |
| 14:04.57 | fbi | ircops: possibly, this gets worse when i put my mixer on the lowest latency setting |
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| 14:05.12 | baikonur | asg: BrowsePort 631 is commented out. How can I make it listen only on 127.0.0.1? |
| 14:05.17 | asg | concept10: try 'force-reload' |
| 14:05.26 | fbi | ircops: pretty regular popping, couple times a second |
| 14:05.36 | jjazz | abrotman, I promise not to shoot you anywhere fatal. |
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| 14:05.39 | aurax | xwolf you installed kolab systems using toltec? |
| 14:05.43 | ircops | fbi: alsa or something else? |
| 14:05.44 | aurax | as client |
| 14:05.46 | xwolf | aurax: looks fairly straightforward |
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| 14:05.50 | abrotman | jjazz: no .. me and fire get along *really well* |
| 14:05.55 | fbi | i don't kniow if i should upgrade my cpu or add a stick of memory |
| 14:06.03 | aurax | xwolf check the ldap tools there, they are simply not functional |
| 14:06.07 | jjazz | abrotman, I have a ton of fire safety gear. I can dress you up and you can stand IN the fire. |
| 14:06.10 | fbi | ircops: pops occur using oss ans alsa |
| 14:06.13 | concept10 | Forcing reload of web server: Apache2 ... no pidfile found! not running?[Thu Oct 13 09:05:44 2005] [warn] module fastcgi_module is already loaded, skipping |
| 14:06.13 | xwolf | aurax: ldap tools "where" |
| 14:06.20 | ircops | hmm |
| 14:06.23 | fbi | it's definitely hardware |
| 14:06.29 | aurax | xwolf: LAM - LDAP Account Manager |
| 14:06.30 | liable | concept10: just kill the fucker :) |
| 14:06.31 | concept10 | same stupid no pidfile error |
| 14:06.31 | abrotman | jjazz: a friend and i once made homemade flamethrowers and then chased each other around the Maine woods(during the dry season) shooting them at each other |
| 14:06.32 | ircops | fbi: you are using hardware mixing then |
| 14:06.33 | xwolf | aurax: i don't use toltec |
| 14:06.34 | ircops | ? |
| 14:06.37 | ircops | okay |
| 14:06.47 | aurax | xwolf: you know any opensource client for windows that is able to communicate with kolab2? |
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| 14:06.51 | concept10 | shutdown now -r is in order |
| 14:06.55 | xwolf | aurax: and so far i haven't seen a single usable ldap editor :) |
| 14:07.01 | asg | concept10: no, just kill the apache processes |
| 14:07.03 | aurax | xwolf hehe |
| 14:07.12 | fbi | ircops: nah i'm using two apps, mixxx and djplay, they both pop when set on loweat latency |
| 14:07.18 | xwolf | aurax: in theory sunbird with sync-kolab |
| 14:07.23 | abrotman | xwolf: there was a nice PHP based one(i think now abandoned) |
| 14:07.24 | aurax | theory.. |
| 14:07.29 | xwolf | but thats onlc calendar |
| 14:07.35 | fbi | s/loweat/lowest/ |
| 14:07.36 | ircops | fbi: they still pop on a higher latency, just not so much? |
| 14:07.36 | xwolf | abrotman: for ldap? too bad |
| 14:07.40 | jjazz | abrotman, obviously you need to come to this party (and bring your throwers). We have a couple truck-mounted throwers floating around, but no backpacks. |
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| 14:07.59 | fbi | ircops: the popping goes away as you increase latency |
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| 14:08.07 | abrotman | xwolf: it was called .. hrm .. it was french .. let me see if i can find it |
| 14:08.09 | xwolf | aurax: well, sync-kolab is buggy as hell and rather quick&dirty |
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| 14:08.19 | ircops | fbi: so why not just leave it on higher latency? |
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| 14:08.28 | ircops | hehe |
| 14:08.29 | concept10 | asg, I killed the parent process and the rest of apaches children ran away! YEAH! |
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| 14:08.45 | fbi | it's like my cpu can't handle two audio files at once. also as soon as you fade to a single file, the popping stops |
| 14:08.46 | asg | concept10: now if you start it, it should generate a pid file in /var/run/* |
| 14:08.54 | xwolf | aurax: it can't even parse mime, so when your client saves the xml stuff in any other encoding than qb it won't work |
| 14:09.03 | xwolf | aurax: qp that is |
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| 14:09.12 | dorto | can we paste system clipboard text into apt sources file using vi's 'p' paste command? |
| 14:09.13 | fbi | higher latency gives undesirable operation |
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| 14:09.22 | session | mirroring between a linux machine and windows with samba. rsync the best/easiest way ? |
| 14:09.25 | encompass | my computer says that to use a feature I need to setuid for the sonar program to root, how do I do that? |
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| 14:09.38 | concept10 | asg, I really dont care about the pid file - I just want it to behave and shutdown and restart when I ask it to. |
| 14:09.43 | dorto | or...how to change the default editor used by apt-setup? :D |
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| 14:09.50 | bonz | nobest way is too rm m$ |
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| 14:09.54 | asg | baikonur: since browsing to localhost only is really not necessary, just set 'Browsing Off' to disable the udp port |
| 14:09.54 | xwolf | aurax: it actually stringsearches for <?xml %-) |
| 14:09.56 | concept10 | What is this? :00 sh -c ifconfig ppp0 2> /dev/null |
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| 14:10.22 | concept10 | im not running ifconfig |
| 14:10.38 | asg | concept10: some script did it |
| 14:10.39 | concept10 | is someone trying to get into my box? |
| 14:10.42 | liable | pwnage? :) |
| 14:10.43 | asg | concept10: are you using ppp? |
| 14:10.58 | encompass | my computer says that to use a feature I need to setuid for the sonar program to root, how do I do that? |
| 14:11.02 | ircops | fbi: I would say CPU... but not fully sure tho |
| 14:11.08 | xwolf | abrotman: i usually used either directory administrator which is nice, but won't to sasl auth, or gq. most of the time ldapsearch, vi and ldapmodify though :) |
| 14:11.09 | liable | !tell encompass about repeat |
| 14:11.10 | asg | encompass: man chmod |
| 14:11.10 | concept10 | no, I use eth0 only |
| 14:11.18 | Estes2 | humm |
| 14:11.20 | asg | !wikifaq encompass Permissions |
| 14:11.21 | dpkg | encompass: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:11.22 | ircops | fbi: CPU and memory upgrades are both good tho so go for the gold hehe |
| 14:11.24 | Estes2 | !tell me about java |
| 14:11.25 | concept10 | asg, no, I use eth0 only |
| 14:11.26 | liable | encompass: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 14:11.34 | encompass | change it to what? |
| 14:11.38 | baikonur | asg: ok. now the port is closed, but why does http://localhost:631 still works (I want this to work, though)? |
| 14:11.38 | encompass | I knew the cammand |
| 14:11.43 | encompass | know |
| 14:11.51 | Estes2 | i love this bot... |
| 14:12.10 | asg | baikonur: there is TCP (for IPP protocol) and UDP for browsing (discovery of other IPP enabled systems) |
| 14:12.14 | asg | baikonur: the latter is UDP |
| 14:12.16 | liable | encompass: set the sticky bit. |
| 14:12.18 | ircops | dpkg: good bot |
| 14:12.18 | dpkg | Thank You! |
| 14:12.24 | Estes2 | hehe |
| 14:12.25 | Shadur | concept10: Check a little more in ps, see what's spawning that process. I'm willing to bet that you've got some taskbar applet or desklet or whatnot running that's (among other things) polling your network interfaces. |
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| 14:12.29 | RichiH | Estes2: comes in handy, eh? :) |
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| 14:12.37 | Estes2 | sure is |
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| 14:12.44 | baikonur | asg: ah okay, I didn't understand this sense of browsing, thank you very much. |
| 14:12.46 | fbi | ircops: i am pricing out both, i will probably buy a faster cpu and add some more ram |
| 14:12.50 | asg | baikonur: you're welcome |
| 14:12.57 | concept10 | Shadur, there is no window manager on my sarge box |
| 14:12.58 | Estes2 | is dpkg open source too ? i mean can i get the source somewhere ? |
| 14:13.00 | dorto | so knowledge of vi editor is must to use apt-setup? can i manually edit the /etc/apt/sources.list using my fav editor? |
| 14:13.04 | ircops | fbi: if that doesn't fix it, sledgehammers work nicely hehehe |
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| 14:13.08 | spiekey | hiho |
| 14:13.09 | Estes2 | with all topics/ answers... |
| 14:13.10 | knightfoo | apt-get source dpkg |
| 14:13.12 | ircops | fbi: speakers DO NOT pop after that hehe |
| 14:13.16 | concept10 | Is ppp for modems only? |
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| 14:13.21 | knightfoo | concept10: no |
| 14:13.22 | liable | Estes2: its a blootbot |
| 14:13.25 | jjazz | dorto, edit it with whatever you want |
| 14:13.26 | spiekey | how come there isnt a ldsetup tool within debian? |
| 14:13.28 | asg | concept10: no, I use it as a cheap vpn tunneling mechanism via ssh |
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| 14:13.29 | aurax | xwolf sad shit |
| 14:13.36 | jjazz | dorto, Or rather, any text editor |
| 14:13.40 | fbi | sledgehammers will nevarrr touch my pc! |
| 14:13.40 | asg | spiekey: ldsetup? |
| 14:13.41 | dorto | ok |
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| 14:13.44 | Estes2 | ok, ty liable |
| 14:13.45 | ircops | :D |
| 14:13.51 | aurax | xwolf: i thought it will be a bit more hmm sufisticated |
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| 14:13.54 | ircops | !tell Estes2 about blootbot |
| 14:13.56 | spiekey | asg: to set up a loop device |
| 14:14.02 | session | how do I modify the init.d to start rsync ? |
| 14:14.12 | aurax | nano? :P |
| 14:14.13 | aurax | heh |
| 14:14.20 | asg | session: it's started by inetd isn't it? |
| 14:14.32 | asg | spiekey: thought it was losetup |
| 14:14.32 | xwolf | aurax: you could try to use a cygwin-kde setup with the PROKO2 branch of kde-pim and then use kontact |
| 14:14.35 | session | asg: It's not started at all from scratch |
| 14:14.41 | concept10 | is chkrootkit dependable? |
| 14:14.58 | xwolf | aurax: or kontakt from kde 4.3.2, that is more or less usable |
| 14:15.01 | spiekey | asg: ah! thanks! :P |
| 14:15.02 | asg | session: /etc/init.d/rsync or /etc/init.d/rsyncd. Otherwise, check /etc/inet.conf |
| 14:15.03 | spiekey | sorry |
| 14:15.12 | asg | concept10: it has some false positives |
| 14:15.15 | Estes2 | ty ircops |
| 14:15.20 | asg | concept10: also check rkhunter |
| 14:15.21 | ircops | np |
| 14:15.39 | session | asg: it's not in /etc/init.d |
| 14:15.42 | Estes2 | i need to reboot... this f**kin kvm wiped out my numeric board |
| 14:15.45 | Estes2 | :( |
| 14:15.48 | abrotman | xwolf: can't find it .. and the guy i know who used to use it is on vacation |
| 14:15.49 | asg | session: then it must be in /etc/inet.conf |
| 14:15.54 | concept10 | !info rkhunter |
| 14:16.01 | dpkg | rkhunter: (rootkit, backdoor, sniffer and exploit scanner), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.2.7-15 (sid), Packaged size: 107 kB, Installed size: 464 kB |
| 14:16.01 | session | asg: my bad, it is in init.d |
| 14:16.06 | session | asg: :) |
| 14:16.27 | liable | concept10: not in sarge |
| 14:16.27 | xwolf | abrotman: thanks anyway |
| 14:16.28 | asg | session: if you need to find out what a package installed, don't forget 'dpkg -L <pkg>' (use grep to narrow your search) |
| 14:16.34 | concept10 | damn, no stable version |
| 14:16.35 | abrotman | xwolf: let me look a bit more |
| 14:16.51 | liable | concept10: you can get the source though.. |
| 14:17.12 | asg | concept10: it's just a set of scripts. You could backport it or just download the source from upstream. |
| 14:17.15 | xwolf | abrotman: let me know when you find something |
| 14:17.15 | concept10 | liable, yeah, i guess i will (sniff) |
| 14:17.19 | session | asg: ok, nice |
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| 14:19.19 | abrotman | xwolf: http://www.savoirfairelinux.com/labe/index.php |
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| 14:19.30 | abrotman | xwolf: it used to be in decent shape .. not sure anymore |
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| 14:20.30 | flogiston | whats the easiest way to install ati xorg drivers? Can i use ubuntu repos and apt-get the driver? |
| 14:20.42 | abrotman | !ati debs |
| 14:20.42 | dpkg | it has been said that ati debs is http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 14:21.06 | gilbert_ | hi |
| 14:21.06 | gilbert_ | people |
| 14:21.11 | abrotman | i'm a cat! |
| 14:21.14 | gilbert_ | hi |
| 14:21.14 | gilbert_ | people |
| 14:21.18 | abrotman | i'm a cat! |
| 14:21.20 | CAiRO | argh, why the heck doesn't mozilla thunderbird ask for a new password if the connection has failed because of a bad password? |
| 14:21.23 | gilbert_ | helpp me |
| 14:21.23 | gilbert_ | pls |
| 14:21.30 | abrotman | ask your question |
| 14:21.37 | CAiRO | i mean didn't the authors knew that passwords change sometimes? |
| 14:21.50 | xwolf | abrotman: nice, thanks |
| 14:21.51 | abrotman | CAiRO: ask them |
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| 14:22.22 | abrotman | xwolf: i'm not sure how flexible it is either .. the guy i knew using it was using it for a central email address book |
| 14:22.26 | gilbert_ | wer i can download yahoo messenger run in ubuntu |
| 14:22.34 | fbi | haha |
| 14:22.36 | xwolf | CAiRO: sometimes the imap-server responses for that are ... weird, so who knows |
| 14:22.37 | dorto | #ubuntu |
| 14:22.38 | abrotman | xwolf: though .. i think he's working on his own editor now |
| 14:22.39 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 14:22.40 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 14:22.48 | xwolf | abrotman: i |
| 14:22.51 | abrotman | you? |
| 14:22.57 | xwolf | abrotman: i'll have an eye on it |
| 14:23.03 | abrotman | xwolf: okeedokee |
| 14:23.08 | concept10 | lol @ Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian |
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| 14:23.21 | xwolf | return is fairly close to backspace ;) |
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| 14:23.25 | abrotman | i know |
| 14:23.42 | jjazz | Is there a way in xfce4 to make apps opened via panel icons open to specific desktops? Or with specific sizes and at specific locations? I googled xfce and scripting but came up empty. Thanks. |
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| 14:24.19 | CAiRO | xwolf: it could at least ask if the password is still the same and don't try a million times with the wrong password.. the only way to change it seems to be to go to the advanced section of the configuration dialog |
| 14:25.01 | CAiRO | why would a normal user have to go to the advanced section just to check a password? an average user will never find out |
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| 14:25.19 | asg | jjazz: you might ask #xfce |
| 14:25.21 | gilbert_ | hello i have my problen in ubuntu |
| 14:25.27 | gilbert_ | any body can help me |
| 14:25.29 | asg | gilbert_: then join #ubuntu |
| 14:25.38 | gilbert_ | k |
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| 14:25.49 | gilbert_ | hi |
| 14:25.50 | jjazz | asg, Yes, that is a good idea. I asked it 30 minutes ago. My query was the last thing said in that channel, so I was hoping somebody here might have some info. |
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| 14:26.10 | abrotman | gilbert_: you MUST ask your question in #ubuntu |
| 14:26.22 | jjazz | Use the force, abrotman! |
| 14:26.26 | asg | since BB was released today and there is likely to be a flood of people here, it might be prudent to add something to the /topic |
| 14:26.27 | abrotman | i would if i had it |
| 14:26.30 | dorto | dark force? |
| 14:26.34 | asg | jjazz: ah, okay. |
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| 14:27.39 | xwolf | CAiRO: thunderbird is far from complete imap-wise. and as i said, it could be that the server response is not "wrong password" but "fobar error occured" which gets happily ignored or something |
| 14:27.50 | gilbert_ | ubuntu help |
| 14:28.03 | abrotman | gilbert_: habla espanol ? |
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| 14:28.52 | gilbert_ | i cant understand |
| 14:28.56 | gilbert_ | ubuntu problem |
| 14:29.00 | abrotman | gilbert_: what is your native language? |
| 14:29.02 | gilbert_ | printing detection |
| 14:29.02 | asg | gilbert_: type '/join #ubuntu' in your irc client |
| 14:29.09 | gilbert_ | i cant print |
| 14:29.13 | gilbert_ | speak english |
| 14:29.20 | knightfoo | printing detection? just look at your printer.. |
| 14:29.28 | abrotman | i'm seriously thinking he's a troll .. first he asked about Yahoo .. and now printing ? |
| 14:29.38 | gilbert_ | ok |
| 14:29.38 | knightfoo | i can see my printer just fine |
| 14:29.41 | gilbert_ | my yahoo ok |
| 14:29.47 | gilbert_ | my printing now |
| 14:29.51 | abrotman | gilbert_: what is your native language? |
| 14:29.52 | asg | abrotman: Philippines |
| 14:29.55 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 14:30.02 | gilbert_ | epson stylus c45 |
| 14:30.03 | gilbert_ | yes |
| 14:30.03 | jethro | ~lf abrotman |
| 14:30.04 | apt | abrotman: don't you know we're supposed to be luserfriendly? |
| 14:30.06 | gilbert_ | philippines |
| 14:30.07 | gilbert_ | tagalog |
| 14:30.11 | fbi | *plonk* |
| 14:30.24 | abrotman | !ops gilbert_ is repeatedly asking ubuntu questions and apparently refusing to join #ubuntu |
| 14:30.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: gilbert_ is repeatedly asking ubuntu questions and apparently refusing to join #ubuntu |
| 14:30.26 | asg | no #debian-tagalog |
| 14:30.32 | gilbert_ | i cant find driver in c45 stylus epson |
| 14:31.16 | asg | gilbert_: this is an English only channel for Debian. Ubuntu support is in #ubuntu. |
| 14:31.51 | gilbert_ | how to join ubuntu channel |
| 14:31.57 | abrotman | gilbert_: /join #ubuntu |
| 14:31.59 | asg | gilbert_: type '/join #ubuntu' |
| 14:31.59 | knightfoo | same way you joined this channel |
| 14:32.01 | gilbert_ | this is my first in net using linux |
| 14:32.10 | gilbert_ | so i'am sori |
| 14:32.24 | jjazz | knightfoo, he probably opened his IRC client and it joined this chan for him automatically |
| 14:32.38 | abrotman | well .. perhaps we should file a bug on ubuntu's package :) |
| 14:32.49 | concept10 | gilbert_, I like linux myself |
| 14:32.54 | knightfoo | oof. irc was more fun when no one knew how to use it |
| 14:32.58 | knightfoo | or how to get on irc |
| 14:33.00 | dorto | i have to configure ALSA everytime i reboot. how can i make it permanent? |
| 14:33.16 | asg | dorto: what configuration changes do you have to manually make? |
| 14:33.22 | gilbert_ | thanks |
| 14:33.25 | gilbert_ | i'am now in chanel of ubuntu |
| 14:33.31 | gilbert_ | its add my tab bar |
| 14:33.34 | gilbert_ | thanks |
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| 14:33.39 | abrotman | gilbert_: have a nice day! |
| 14:33.43 | concept10 | no the web was fun when none of the yanks where running around on it |
| 14:33.44 | gilbert_ | thank you |
| 14:33.49 | gilbert_ | this is my first day |
| 14:33.58 | gilbert_ | in ubuntu linux |
| 14:34.01 | gilbert_ | yes |
| 14:34.03 | abrotman | concept10: what? |
| 14:34.08 | gilbert_ | my ubuntu works cool |
| 14:34.13 | gilbert_ | i'am filipino |
| 14:34.14 | abrotman | gilbert_: tell #ubuntu |
| 14:34.18 | gilbert_ | 16 years old |
| 14:34.18 | jethro | !tell gilbert_ about enter |
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| 14:34.44 | *** kick/#debian [gilbert_!i=foobar@p5481F157.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (nobody cares) |
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| 14:34.47 | concept10 | abrotman, i prefer the pre boom environment |
| 14:34.51 | abrotman | !beer caphuso |
| 14:35.04 | abrotman | !beer dondelelcaro(for fixing !beer) |
| 14:35.14 | abrotman | silly bot |
| 14:35.18 | dorto | asg: i just run alsaconfig as root and reply to asked questions(simple) |
| 14:35.26 | abrotman | concept10: what makes you think no yanks were using IRC then ? |
| 14:35.45 | dorto | sorry, *alsaconf |
| 14:35.46 | asg | dorto: hmmm odd. |
| 14:35.50 | fireba11 | there always will be n00bs around .. |
| 14:36.28 | caphuso | yeah, but in the olden days september ended |
| 14:36.33 | concept10 | abrotman, i dont mean irc.. and I dont mean yanks as in yankees, I just mean all of these fools that run around on the internet today... its such a bore |
| 14:36.40 | r3tex | caphuso: wtf was that filipino kid |
| 14:36.43 | asg | caphuso: indeed |
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| 14:36.56 | dorto | asg: it says building card database when first run, i select my sound card and press ENTER |
| 14:36.58 | abrotman | concept10: hrm .. ok |
| 14:37.07 | asg | dorto: it should save your selections though |
| 14:37.15 | dorto | oh |
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| 14:37.33 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 14:37.33 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 14:37.34 | jethro | it's not even a real country after all |
| 14:37.36 | asg | concept10: the Internet was created by yanks though |
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| 14:37.46 | Tortel | !blame bush |
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| 14:37.53 | Tortel | :D |
| 14:38.01 | knightfoo | the world was evil before bush |
| 14:38.05 | dorto | asg: it also asks if i want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound and i select Yes. :shrugs: |
| 14:38.20 | asg | dorto: yeah dunno there. Someone else here might though. |
| 14:38.28 | asg | knightfoo: it was also more fun |
| 14:38.40 | concept10 | I wonder why people do this... Install linux, get on irc... Hello guys, Im 16.5 and I just installed linux in the phillipines, ubando is sweet. How do I compile a kernel? |
| 14:38.44 | jethro | dorto: I think you just have to type "alsactl store" as root, but I may be wrong |
| 14:38.47 | abrotman | i'm not allowed to have an opinion on that matter anymore |
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| 14:39.00 | asg | concept10: because they don't read the helpful installation guide and reference material |
| 14:39.10 | fbi | dorto: that same thing happens to me? i also have to reset all my alsamixer settings, as alsactl does not store them |
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| 14:39.25 | fbi | oops that wasn't a question |
| 14:39.53 | concept10 | asg, the motto for irc should be "Nobody cares..." |
| 14:39.57 | jjazz | concept10, why does this mystify you? The kid is 16. He's got a new toy. He wants in on the coolness that is Linux, so he shows up and behaves the way 16-year-olds behave. As long as we have kids and linux, we'll have kids behaving like kids with Linux. |
| 14:40.03 | dorto | ok, i will try to google somemore |
| 14:40.13 | dorto | with your hints |
| 14:40.15 | johaBBa | for some reason my apache (on Sarge) is serving my index.php as x-trash mime type...? if i put the full url http://site.net/index.php it works |
| 14:40.25 | asg | concept10: the motto for irc is, and has always been, 'Have thick skin, don't forget your flamesuit' |
| 14:40.28 | johaBBa | http://site.net serves index.php as x-trash |
| 14:40.29 | concept10 | jjazz, nice point |
| 14:40.30 | johaBBa | ? |
| 14:40.43 | nvz | asg: they seem to prefer the relevant parts be torn off prechewed and regurgitated for them |
| 14:40.44 | knightfoo | johaBBa: maybe the server is making commentary on the quality of your content :) |
| 14:40.48 | fbi | dorto: i didn't give you any hints, i never fixed it. my solution is to never eboot |
| 14:40.52 | concept10 | jjazz, but im 17.5 FYI |
| 14:40.52 | Tortel | !blame society |
| 14:40.58 | nelf | Hi, I've installed a laptop using the current stable network install disks 2.4 kernel, when I upgrade it to a 2.6 kernel, it detects the drives as SATA, and hence kernel panicks, as the 2.4 kernel treated them as ide's.. is there an easy way to get it to boot into 2.6? |
| 14:41.04 | fbi | s/eboot/reboot/ |
| 14:41.09 | abrotman | Tortel: /msg dpkg party |
| 14:41.10 | asg | nvz: *nod* |
| 14:41.19 | nvz | Tortel: nock it off already :P |
| 14:41.23 | Tortel | ok |
| 14:41.27 | nvz | its all your fault. |
| 14:41.33 | Tortel | !blame me |
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| 14:41.39 | Tortel | :( |
| 14:41.40 | dorto | fbi: lol? |
| 14:41.50 | fbi | !lol |
| 14:41.50 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 14:41.56 | jjazz | concept10, Wait. You're 17 years old, and you're pining for the good old days of the Internet? |
| 14:42.02 | knightfoo | what about lolz? |
| 14:42.04 | concept10 | I wish I had linux when I was growing up (really, I do) maybe I would know how to properly control apache by now |
| 14:42.08 | dorto | *heh |
| 14:42.09 | concept10 | jjazz, yes |
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| 14:42.19 | asg | fbi: they should have named it bwahahaha instead of ubuntu |
| 14:42.24 | dorto | fbi: that was a (BIG) typo :P |
| 14:42.35 | concept10 | jjazz, how old are you? |
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| 14:42.39 | flogiston | Where should the torsmo config files be? there not in ~/.torsmorc |
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| 14:42.48 | dorto | lol @ asg |
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| 14:42.49 | fbi | asg: haha |
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| 14:43.06 | asg | flogiston: dpkg -L <pkg> | pager (look for likely candidates) Also, see /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 14:43.23 | flogiston | Strange the files not gone anymore.... |
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| 14:43.45 | concept10 | jjazz, actually im 32, been on linux on and off since 99 and still a noob |
| 14:43.56 | nvz | concept10: heh. we all wish we had linux introduced to us earlier. I'm sure even linus wishes he would have learned it sooner and not spent all those years on a Comodore 64 heh |
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| 14:44.07 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 14:44.26 | fireba11 | i think when i first used linux i was 16 or so .. |
| 14:44.36 | umbop | hey guys, i'm trying to delete something via ldap, ldapdelete -x -w "password" -D "cn=this,ou=that,c=uk" "dc=thisthat,o=this,c=uk" for example but i get delete result: referral (10) referral: ldap://ldaphost.doamain.co.uk:389 |
| 14:44.41 | concept10 | nvz, I spend 1985-1991 on C=64 and didnt buy another computer until 1999 |
| 14:44.43 | fireba11 | but regrettably didn't do much with it untill 3 years ago |
| 14:44.45 | nvz | one thing is for sure we are all thankful we finally seen the light |
| 14:44.52 | fireba11 | wait . .4 years |
| 14:44.59 | asg | umbop: have you asked #ldap? |
| 14:45.05 | umbop | yeh, i'm in there, but no response |
| 14:45.11 | umbop | dead as a dodo |
| 14:45.12 | fireba11 | nvz: then let's hope we're not in a long tunnel ^^ |
| 14:45.14 | nvz | concept10: I've never used a C64 |
| 14:45.27 | asg | nvz: you missed out |
| 14:45.34 | abrotman | hardly :) |
| 14:45.35 | jjazz | I wish I still had my C64. That was a great machine. |
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| 14:45.45 | abrotman | run {*#]]rf.3 |
| 14:45.48 | Tortel | wahts a C64? |
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| 14:45.52 | Tortel | :P |
| 14:46.01 | concept10 | so I missed alot from 1991-1999 while in the military I was just a user |
| 14:46.01 | jjazz | johaBBa, I fucking loved that game |
| 14:46.04 | umbop | they meant C4 |
| 14:46.07 | johaBBa | jjazz, oh hell yeah |
| 14:46.09 | nelf | ok, thanks for your help - edit the kernel command line and put root =/dev/sda2 :) |
| 14:46.16 | umbop | they all wish they had some c4, and johaBB use to jump on his |
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| 14:46.25 | jjazz | johaBBa, I tried to run a C64 emu on my Debian box just to get that game going. |
| 14:46.26 | creatin | me again, dose Debain have Scheduled Tasks? |
| 14:46.31 | nvz | asg: I had the Atari PC, TI99-4a, Apple IIC, Intellivision... never had a C64 or ever used one |
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| 14:46.34 | umbop | creatin, crontab |
| 14:46.36 | johaBBa | jjazz, i HAVE it running... |
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| 14:46.47 | Tortel | atanks all the way! |
| 14:46.48 | Tortel | :D |
| 14:46.50 | johaBBa | jjazz, well...jumpan, jr at least |
| 14:46.50 | jjazz | johaBBa, you do? Which emu? |
| 14:46.55 | creatin | umbop: crontab?? |
| 14:46.58 | vca | creatin: umbop suggested crontab, or "at" is handy for one-offs |
| 14:47.06 | nvz | asg: I even had a few TRS-80s at one time.. some big ones and some of the smaller models without the screen and shit |
| 14:47.07 | asg | nvz: I had Atari 400 then Atari 800. Then I had a C64 |
| 14:47.08 | jjazz | johaBBa, why just Jr? |
| 14:47.14 | mtnman | creatin: man crontab |
| 14:47.16 | umbop | creatin, man crontab |
| 14:47.22 | asg | nvz: never owned at TRS-80, did do some work on one though |
| 14:47.23 | vca | (there's an echo in here) |
| 14:47.24 | fbi | oh man, i remeber playing the original castle wolfenstein on my apple IIc |
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| 14:47.30 | concept10 | I remember clocking my 300 baud modem to 450 just to get on the 1200 baud BBSs |
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| 14:47.42 | asg | fbi: comenzie! Zous Pass! <sic> |
| 14:47.42 | creatin | i havn't instaled yet i need to know if it has it before i instal |
| 14:47.48 | fbi | if you stared at that puke green monotor long enough you would get physically ill |
| 14:47.58 | fbi | haha yeah |
| 14:48.15 | johaBBa | jjazz, i couldn't find the rom or whatever for jumpan |
| 14:48.32 | fireba11 | fbi mine was orange though |
| 14:48.36 | creatin | is crontab scheduled tasks? |
| 14:48.41 | asg | nvz: you could always just install 'vice' |
| 14:48.41 | johaBBa | jjazz, http://www.boutell.com/lsm/lsmbyid.cgi/001760 |
| 14:48.43 | jjazz | johaBBa, which Emu are you using? I'm going to have to try it again. Does it recognize your joystick? |
| 14:48.47 | johaBBa | jjazz, that emu...complied from src |
| 14:48.51 | abrotman | creatin: yes |
| 14:48.53 | mtnman | creatin: yes. did you read man crontab? |
| 14:48.55 | abrotman | creatin: man cron |
| 14:49.00 | r3tex | where can i see what packages like x-window-system have in them? |
| 14:49.01 | Daveman | howdy abrotman |
| 14:49.02 | johaBBa | jjazz, no joystick tho |
| 14:49.04 | vorsprung | creatin, yes..read man crontab |
| 14:49.09 | nvz | asg: Intellivision is still my favorite game system of all time to this day, even after seeing all the games over the years. |
| 14:49.11 | vca | creatin: crontab is the control file for the cron, aka "scheduled tasks" daemon |
| 14:49.12 | creatin | i'm not runing debain yet |
| 14:49.12 | jjazz | johaBBa, you just made my day. Thanks. |
| 14:49.15 | fireba11 | r3tex: apt-cache sho package |
| 14:49.17 | asg | mtnman: remember, there's crontab(1) and crontab(5) |
| 14:49.18 | creatin | but thank you |
| 14:49.21 | fireba11 | show even |
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| 14:49.29 | mtnman | asg: yes |
| 14:49.32 | johaBBa | jjazz, :) |
| 14:49.35 | asg | nvz: I remember playing golf on the intellivision. That was pretty impressive at the time. |
| 14:49.37 | johaBBa | jjazz, aaah...the good old days |
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| 14:49.53 | jjazz | creatin, crontab stands for cron table, if that helps. The file is a table of data that tells cron what commands and when to run them. |
| 14:50.00 | abrotman | hi |
| 14:50.06 | fbi | no way, snafu on intellivision was the bomb |
| 14:50.16 | nvz | asg: its terrible how competitive the console gaming market is, that so many good things died in or before their prime and never lived on |
| 14:50.27 | asg | nvz: yes |
| 14:50.29 | fbi | that was like an early version of linux tron games |
| 14:50.48 | jjazz | nvz, or maybe it's awesome that the competition has made them produce some pretty decent machines at commodity prices. |
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| 14:51.37 | cosminb | hi |
| 14:51.50 | cosminb | can anyone help me with port forwarding? |
| 14:52.03 | nvz | jjazz: I doubt it. all the best systems get killed by shitty ones like xbox or something because they corner the market with hype and rights to all the good software titles |
| 14:52.03 | jjazz | nvz, In real terms, consoles and the games are cheaper than ever. Unfortuantely, the games have gotten so complex and require so much time investment that I can't play them. |
| 14:52.12 | cosminb | i'm trying to get an active connection on strongdc++ |
| 14:52.22 | cosminb | i can connect to hubs |
| 14:52.27 | cosminb | but cannot get any files |
| 14:52.52 | jjazz | nvz, I confess I don't know much about consoles. I just see that they're cheap and everybody loves the one they have. So I concede the point. :) |
| 14:53.00 | fireba11 | cosminb: you knwo that lately lots of hubs require you to register bevore you can download there ? |
| 14:53.05 | fbi | jjazz i hear ya, who has time to read a 78 page booklet that comes with your new game |
| 14:53.09 | abrotman | jjazz: they're fun .. no more hardware hassles .. that's about it |
| 14:53.27 | asg | fbi: who has the time to read the install guide that comes with your Debian :p |
| 14:53.29 | cosminb | fireba11: you mean like password? |
| 14:53.41 | fireba11 | cosminb: yes |
| 14:53.41 | fbi | asg: there is an install guide? |
| 14:53.41 | concept10 | how do I find the parent process using ps? when I start apache2 it spawns other processes under 'www-data' should i just kill the root process? |
| 14:53.42 | jjazz | fbi, or to memorize 15-button combos in a fighting game. |
| 14:53.47 | asg | fbi: heh |
| 14:53.56 | abrotman | jjazz: button masher!! |
| 14:53.58 | fireba11 | cosminb: you should get some info on that when entering though |
| 14:53.59 | cosminb | fireba11: i've used those hubs before, and they didn't require... a few days ago |
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| 14:54.12 | fireba11 | cosminb: ah, okay then .. just a thought |
| 14:54.20 | abrotman | jjazz: my brother konws all the button-combos .. i'm a masher .. i usually beat him :) |
| 14:54.21 | nvz | back in the 80's games were pioneered to perfection. now you are really hard pressed to find anything worth trying to ammuse yourself with |
| 14:54.23 | cosminb | fireba11: info on nat, or on registrations? |
| 14:54.26 | jjazz | abrotman, I used to kick ass at Street Fighter. Now... too many characters, too many combos... too little time |
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| 14:54.34 | jjazz | abrotman, it's all about the jab |
| 14:54.36 | abrotman | jjazz: you should try tekken .. i find it's fun |
| 14:54.37 | fbi | asg: i always thought the d-i was the install guide |
| 14:54.40 | fbi | o.O |
| 14:54.43 | fireba11 | cosminb: on registration |
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| 14:55.07 | cockslap | can someone help me out setting up network sharing on a debian box which is directly connected to the internet |
| 14:55.15 | cockslap | to a windows box which is on a second nic |
| 14:55.16 | asg | fbi: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 14:55.25 | dpower | cockslap: use samba |
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| 14:55.34 | fireba11 | cockslap: "on a second nic" ? |
| 14:55.35 | cosminb | fireba11: can i ask in prv, because the channel is crowded |
| 14:55.37 | knightfoo | samba is for filesharing |
| 14:55.39 | cockslap | inetnet sharing |
| 14:55.41 | fireba11 | cosminb: go ahead |
| 14:55.42 | cockslap | not files |
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| 14:55.45 | dpower | that is vague |
| 14:55.48 | fbi | asg: i was kidding, but i've never had to look at that manual |
| 14:55.52 | dpower | a router? |
| 14:55.54 | fireba11 | cockslap: set up an FTP |
| 14:55.54 | jjazz | abrotman, remember Karate Champ? Now THAT was a fighter. |
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| 14:56.01 | asg | fbi: :) Some people should, however. |
| 14:56.08 | cockslap | i dont want to share files |
| 14:56.09 | fbi | indeed |
| 14:56.09 | r3tex | what was that graphical apt program? |
| 14:56.11 | cockslap | i want to share internet |
| 14:56.13 | abrotman | jjazz: yes .. all two buttons :) |
| 14:56.13 | r3tex | aptalicious? |
| 14:56.16 | asg | r3tex: synaptic |
| 14:56.17 | cockslap | the debian box has internet |
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| 14:56.19 | fireba11 | cockslap: tell us that then |
| 14:56.20 | cockslap | the windows box needs internet |
| 14:56.29 | jjazz | abrotman, I blew a lot of quarters on that game |
| 14:56.31 | cockslap | i just did |
| 14:56.32 | asg | cockslap: then look for a NAT howto or IPMasquerading HOWTO |
| 14:56.33 | r3tex | asg: thanx |
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| 14:56.57 | abrotman | jjazz: i blew a lot on other arcade games .. but a little on karate champ |
| 14:57.07 | r3tex | asg: just so you know, in sweden kids write asg instead of asgarva wich is the swedish equivalent of roflmao |
| 14:57.16 | jjazz | abrotman, I confess that I have MAME installed purely to play Elevator Action. |
| 14:57.19 | asg | r3tex: haha, nice |
| 14:57.23 | asg | cockslap: /msg dpkg nat |
| 14:57.35 | asg | jjazz: that's a good one |
| 14:57.46 | abrotman | jjazz: OOTW!! |
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| 14:58.16 | abrotman | !ootw |
| 14:58.19 | abrotman | damn |
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| 14:58.38 | nvz | the intellivision hasnt been touched to this day as far as I am concerned. they had speech synth, gaming network, analog controls.. numerous things that didnt start showing up until a decade or two later. not to mention the things that havent ever appeared again. colecovision and atari tried to duplicate many of the things and utimatly pushed Mattel out of the picture but they never really touched what intellivision was. |
| 14:58.54 | jjazz | abrotman, a few years ago, I slurped the entire Mame.DK repository. :D |
| 14:59.02 | knightfoo | coleco rocked |
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| 14:59.24 | asg | nvz: Coleco had the best Donkey Kong though |
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| 14:59.36 | jjazz | nvz, I never saw the intellivision. |
| 14:59.40 | concept10 | ash, yes they did |
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| 15:00.12 | concept10 | asg, did they have donkey kong jr on intellivision? |
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| 15:01.14 | abrotman | jjazz: you remember OOTW? |
| 15:01.25 | jjazz | abrotman, No. What was OOTW? |
| 15:01.29 | asg | concept10: that I don't know |
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| 15:02.18 | abrotman | jjazz: http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/ootw.shtml |
| 15:02.28 | abrotman | jjazz: MyTuba! |
| 15:02.28 | nvz | asg: thats the main reason they got pushed out.. those stupid games. Intellivision was original. the rest of the game companies bought up rights to popular names and used the media to rub out originality and creativity in favor of mindless cliches that are still going till this day in the industry. how many fucking donkey kong country games and now other mindless donkey kong games like the one with the bongos as a control are there now? |
| 15:02.43 | abrotman | jjazz: and dgen will play the rom at the bottom of the page |
| 15:02.48 | asg | nvz: true |
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| 15:03.07 | jjazz | abrotman, the C64 game I miss most these days is Mission Impossible. No THAT was a good game. |
| 15:03.08 | ecliptik | does anyone know of any motherboards that support pc133 and DDR memory? |
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| 15:03.23 | abrotman | ecliptik: there were a few |
| 15:03.25 | ZeeGeek | xbindkeys acting weird, I set it as a auto startup session in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/, and it starts. but when I press certain combinations of keys, it doesn't give me any response, I have to kill it and start again in order to get it working properly. |
| 15:03.26 | jjazz | abrotman, if I wasn't at work, I'd dload OOTW |
| 15:03.32 | abrotman | jjazz: send it home! |
| 15:03.36 | nvz | jjazz: you missed out. fortunately for you INTV bought up everything they could and are trying their best to see to it that Intellivison Lives! |
| 15:03.36 | asg | jjazz: I thought there were mame roms for that. |
| 15:03.37 | johaBBa | jjazz, found some more jumpan stuffs if you are interested...some new(ish) version and a DOS game |
| 15:03.42 | knightfoo | ecliptik: very few, and the performance is terrible |
| 15:03.51 | jjazz | asg, I'll look. You might be right. |
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| 15:03.58 | jjazz | johaBBa, link? |
| 15:03.59 | cockslap | damn this masquerade shit is hard |
| 15:03.59 | nvz | jjazz: their ports of the games are nothnig like the real thing though. |
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| 15:04.03 | cockslap | the howto is huge |
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| 15:04.04 | asg | jjazz: at least I remember playing MI II |
| 15:04.25 | asg | cockslap: /msg dpkg masq |
| 15:04.28 | johaBBa | jjazz, a few: http://www.jumpmanzero.com/ (palm and windoze) |
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| 15:04.37 | jjazz | asg I never saw MI II. I can still hear the haunting voice... "Stay awhile... stay FOREVER!" |
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| 15:04.47 | asg | jjazz: 'kill him my robots' |
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| 15:04.49 | jjazz | johaBBa, cool. thanks |
| 15:04.51 | syntaxx | what do i need to check for my windows to detect my linux box? |
| 15:04.53 | jjazz | asg :) |
| 15:04.54 | johaBBa | jjazz, the jumpan project: http://www.classicgaming.com/jmanproject/ |
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| 15:05.35 | johaBBa | jjazz, history, merchandice: http://www.classicgaming.com/jlounge/ |
| 15:05.40 | johaBBa | i'll stop now :) |
| 15:06.14 | jjazz | johaBBa, awesome. Thanks! I have a Palm V that's not really doing anything. I might toss Jumpman on it just for fun. |
| 15:06.27 | ecliptik | The issue I have is either my chip or motherboard is bad, and a motherboard would be a cheaper replacement at the moment, but all I have ic PC133 memory and I don't want to buy DDR, but it be nice to have the option in the future |
| 15:06.28 | johaBBa | jjazz, i have a samsung i500 palmOS phone :D |
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| 15:06.32 | jjazz | syntaxx, you need Samba |
| 15:06.36 | session | cron jobs. Do I write them in /etc/crontab ? |
| 15:06.45 | jjazz | session, crontab -e |
| 15:06.54 | nvz | jjazz: the original game had a unique feel to it. and the cartridges came with instructions, as well as overlays that went over the keypad to customize the controls. They've ported INTV Intellivision Lives! to at least PS, XboX, and PC if not more by now.. but they all lack the feel of the user interface and nostalgia that comes with playing them on the real thing |
| 15:06.55 | cockslap | how do i make it start sshd on startup? |
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| 15:07.07 | asg | cockslap: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 15:07.11 | syntaxx | jjazz, yeah actually i already have connection with the 2 pc's but my windows cant see my linux eventhough linux already saw the windows |
| 15:07.12 | asg | cockslap: it should prompt you |
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| 15:07.16 | jjazz | nvz, it sounds hard to duplicate without the hardware |
| 15:07.17 | session | jjazz: I have to write with vim using crontab -e I'm a nano man |
| 15:07.32 | asg | session: EDITOR=nano crontab -e |
| 15:07.37 | jjazz | session, change your editor |
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| 15:07.47 | stew | session: update-alternatives --config editor |
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| 15:08.43 | raporu | hi, is anyone here knowing about mdadm to create software raid? |
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| 15:08.59 | session | jjaz: lol |
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| 15:09.25 | session | but if my cron job needs root. How does it get the pass ? |
| 15:09.37 | concept10 | i want a apple now |
| 15:09.40 | jjazz | session, sudo crontab -e will edit root's crontab |
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| 15:09.49 | jjazz | session, those jobs will run as root |
| 15:09.55 | nvz | jjazz: its very hard to duplicate nothing since mattel electronics closed the doors on the project has come close to matching it. Some really good games came out of INTV though after mattel electronics pulled the plug. |
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| 15:11.23 | Ecrofrebu | is it possible to tunnel an application which e.g. tries to connects to server.com:7392 over ssh? |
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| 15:11.42 | prog | hello, i try to install Plonista product, but I am getting 'AttributeError: portal_css'. Do anybody know how to solve this ? |
| 15:11.45 | asg | Ecrofrebu: yes |
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| 15:12.16 | nvz | I like the baseball game a lot. I've liked it more over the years as I've learned more of the history behind it. Baseball was the first game ever made for Intellivision programmed by the same person who designed the OS for the intellivision. He couldnt finish the OS without a game, and couldnt finish the game without an OS so he worked on both simultaniously trying to make them both work within the specs he had to work with |
| 15:12.33 | fbi | yo i'm getting two new errors when i boot my sarge server now (after installing hdparm) |
| 15:12.38 | fbi | hdb: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekCompleteError } |
| 15:12.40 | fbi | hdb: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } |
| 15:12.46 | Angel_ | hi |
| 15:12.47 | Angel_ | i hae installed windows after debian and now i dont have grub. how can i install the grub from the debian boot cd? |
| 15:12.53 | fbi | hard drive borking out? it's only two months old |
| 15:12.54 | asg | fbi: that's not good |
| 15:13.07 | asg | fbi: did you use aggressive settings with hdparm? |
| 15:13.11 | knightfoo | fbi: that could also happen if hdparm is sending commands it cant do |
| 15:13.14 | session | jjazz: and if I want to edit that cron job I just made ? |
| 15:13.16 | fbi | asg: no, not at all |
| 15:13.33 | jjazz | session, crontab -e again |
| 15:13.37 | fbi | but the errors i was getting before installing hdparm have no appeared |
| 15:13.38 | asg | fbi: hmmmm |
| 15:13.43 | jjazz | nvz, That's a cool story. |
| 15:13.46 | session | jjazz: nice :) |
| 15:13.50 | fbi | it also says this after the last error: ide0: reset: success |
| 15:13.57 | lonebear | installing Sarge, trying to configure raid1. what is the order of partitioning/creating the raid1 |
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| 15:14.15 | fbi | it never said that before |
| 15:14.26 | asg | fbi: keep an eye on things. Also, make sure all cables are connected and card properly seated. |
| 15:14.34 | asg | *cards |
| 15:14.43 | fbi | alright, cheers |
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| 15:14.58 | fbi | i have everything backed up anyway but i might buy another disk just to be safe |
| 15:15.18 | asg | fbi: if it keeps happening, you might try the smartmontools to see if they show anything odd. |
| 15:15.19 | CosmoDad | when running gmplayer, I get an error about missing fonts. Marillat doesn't seem to provide them, what should I do? |
| 15:15.31 | asg | fbi: otherwise, the drive or controller might be going |
| 15:15.31 | blindboygrunt | is it ok to link files to /etc/init.d? |
| 15:15.33 | fbi | pc store is going to love me today, i am already buying a new cpu and another stick of ddr |
| 15:15.51 | asg | blindboygrunt: that's what /etc/rcX.d does |
| 15:15.52 | nkuttler | blindboygrunt: what are you trying to do? man update-rc.d |
| 15:16.23 | nvz | jjazz: intellivision was real cool. had the first speech synth module. had a game network like the sega channel of the 90's a decade before Sega Genesis. Back when sega was programming games for the intellivision. it had all kinds of cool things |
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| 15:16.34 | blindboygrunt | nkuttler: I'm trying to run a daemon at startup that wasn't install to /etc/init.d |
| 15:16.52 | nkuttler | blindboygrunt: man update-rc.d |
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| 15:17.11 | blindboygrunt | nkuttler: you can point update-rc.d to any file? |
| 15:17.12 | streuner_ | !rc.local |
| 15:17.12 | dpkg | methinks rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 15:17.25 | andre_m | help. i can't burn cds. kernel 2.6.12: http://pastebin.com/392315 |
| 15:18.02 | streuner_ | andre_m: cdrecord of debian doesn't support DVD burning |
| 15:18.04 | nvz | I cut my fingernails way too short it sucks. fingernails are very important to the modern human :P |
| 15:18.15 | asg | andre_m: #ubuntu is ------------------> |
| 15:18.41 | streuner_ | oh |
| 15:18.49 | asg | nvz: nah, forks are though |
| 15:18.55 | streuner_ | the lib of debian in sid is ubuntu based... |
| 15:18.58 | andre_m | streuner_: i'm trying to burn a cd |
| 15:19.04 | andre_m | asg: i'm running debian unstable |
| 15:19.06 | nvz | aside from all the important uses. they keep that insanely tender skin coverd up so I dont have pain shooting through my hands |
| 15:19.18 | nvz | hurts to type even |
| 15:19.25 | asg | streuner_: wtf? cdrecord: Warning: using inofficial version of libscg (ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1 '@(#)scsitransp.c 1.91 04/06/17 Copyright 1988,1995,2000-2004 J. Schilling'). |
| 15:19.35 | asg | andre_m: then check the bts |
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| 15:19.41 | andre_m | asg: bts? |
| 15:19.42 | streuner_ | asg: yes... |
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| 15:19.46 | streuner_ | !bts |
| 15:19.46 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 15:20.09 | asg | streuner_: joy |
| 15:20.15 | streuner_ | asg: yep :-) |
| 15:20.34 | stew | andre_m: don't use the debian bug tracking system for a ubuntu package, find out where the ubuntu bts is |
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| 15:21.08 | cahoot | stew: even though it's delivered by debian? |
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| 15:21.27 | streuner_ | stew: he already told us that he using sid |
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| 15:21.45 | reppel | where to find documentation for python-newt? |
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| 15:21.51 | nvz | I need to hire a little chinese lady to give me manicures so I dont just hack my fingers up. I have a habbit of letting my nails grow too long and the cutting them too short. not to mention dry skin and cracking cuticules |
| 15:21.57 | asg | streuner_: the error indicates some incompatible ubuntuness. Is that distributed by Debian or something he added? |
| 15:22.00 | stew | cahoot: wait, what is delivered by sid? |
| 15:22.09 | zvn | refresh my memory: is there an util apart top that shows cpu usage (not load like uptime) |
| 15:22.12 | andre_m | stew: i have no idea where i got the ubuntu package. i've always been running sid |
| 15:22.20 | zvn | s/apart/apart from/ |
| 15:22.25 | cahoot | stew: ubuntu developed cdrecord (even in etch) |
| 15:22.27 | streuner_ | asg: i dont know, we should as him what command he used |
| 15:22.51 | asg | streuner_: that would be helpful. That was going to be my first question until I saw the reference and went off on a tangent |
| 15:22.56 | streuner_ | andre_m: what command did you use in order to got this error |
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| 15:23.27 | fbi | zvn: if you want something graphical, you can try gdesklets or gkrellm |
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| 15:23.56 | stew | cahoot: in what way did ubuntu develop cdrecord? |
| 15:24.22 | cahoot | stew: ok ok modified |
| 15:24.29 | knightfoo | i modified cdrecord too |
| 15:24.33 | johaBBa | me too |
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| 15:24.41 | jbroome | yeah, i could have sworn i used cdrecord before ubuntu came out. :) |
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| 15:24.57 | nvz | actually what I need to do is go to sleep I am just aggrivating myself sitting here in pain with nothing better to do but be off topic in here cause I am too irratated to be of any help |
| 15:25.03 | stew | cahoot: i don't see any mention of ubuntu in the changelog |
| 15:25.18 | umbop | god damn i hate it when boxes get hacked :( |
| 15:25.32 | andre_m | streuner_: right click on .iso -> burn in nautilus |
| 15:25.36 | umbop | even got a process faker |
| 15:25.45 | andre_m | but i tried commands that used to work, too |
| 15:25.54 | johaBBa | umbop, how did you find it? |
| 15:26.01 | nvz | Its my first time ever working nights. its got me all irratated. going to work and not comming home until the next day just to goto work later that day. feels like it never ends. |
| 15:26.11 | umbop | because i straced processes |
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| 15:26.48 | streuner_ | andre_m: if you can burn the iso with cdrecord just look in BTS for a bug then (nautlius) |
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| 15:27.22 | andre_m | streuner_: no, can't do that either, same error |
| 15:27.38 | andre_m | and i can't seem to find my problem in bts |
| 15:27.42 | cahoot | stew: FYI this is from my cdrecordon etch 'Using libscg version 'ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1' |
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| 15:27.59 | streuner_ | andre_m: what command did you use (cdrecord)? |
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| 15:28.10 | nelf | How do I get dpk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to actually write out an XF86Config-4 |
| 15:28.19 | knightfoo | cahoot: that just means it was linked against a libscg modified by ubuntu |
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| 15:28.49 | stew | cahoot: wierd, must be a result of utnubu maybe. |
| 15:29.03 | concept10 | did anyone here about microsoft paying people 250 to beta test the IE? |
| 15:29.05 | stew | i like how i just used must and maybe in the same clause |
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| 15:29.15 | xaureus | how can i set a password to protect a certain program to be run in Gnome? |
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| 15:29.30 | stew | concept10: i got an email that if i forward a bunch of times bill gates is going to give me $50 |
| 15:29.30 | xaureus | as in when i run it, to ask me for a password or something |
| 15:29.37 | cahoot | knightfoo: so? |
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| 15:30.25 | concept10 | stew, I got that stupid email too...im just wodering if its true |
| 15:30.53 | nelf | dpkg-reconfigure doesn't seem to be writing out anything new in XF86Config-4 when I run it (especiall the modules I've selected and alternative resolutions... |
| 15:31.03 | Bac9 | how is it possible to see the bug that caused the removal of package from archive? |
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| 15:31.19 | stew | nelf: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 15:32.15 | concept10 | #join rubyonrails |
| 15:32.25 | concept10 | oops |
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| 15:32.55 | xaureus | hello. how can i password protect a certain program to be run under Gnome? |
| 15:33.42 | streuner_ | xaureus: you can't |
| 15:33.43 | xaureus | why? |
| 15:33.43 | nvz | xaureus: only if you are dealing with a total moron or you want to password protect it to be run from anywhere |
| 15:33.43 | streuner_ | xaureus: well, if the app doesn't support it... |
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| 15:33.54 | streuner_ | xaureus: or just set the permissions to your need |
| 15:33.57 | streuner_ | needs* |
| 15:34.25 | xaureus | i just want that a certain person not to run a program (within the X session open) |
| 15:34.28 | streuner_ | xaureus: what apps is that ? |
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| 15:34.41 | xaureus | a messengering program :) |
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| 15:35.00 | nvz | xaureus: so change the permissions on it so they cant run it |
| 15:35.08 | andre_m | streuner_: http://pastebin.com/392327 |
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| 15:35.17 | andre_m | $ cdrecord -v speed=0 2burn/ubuntu-5.10-live-i386.iso |
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| 15:35.33 | streuner_ | haha |
| 15:35.39 | xaureus | isn't there a way to password protect it? :) |
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| 15:35.55 | streuner_ | andre_m: just don't burn the iso then :-) |
| 15:36.01 | concept10 | !info rubygems |
| 15:36.17 | nelf | stew: It's still not doing it now that the md5 sums match.. I've also tried dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 15:36.26 | andre_m | streuner_: not funny. i have to burn a bunch of cds |
| 15:36.30 | xaureus | because all of use the same user and bla bla... |
| 15:36.40 | nvz | xaureus: addgroup foo; chown root:foo /usr/bin/messenger; chmod 550 /usr/bin/messenger; adduser bar foo |
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| 15:37.13 | nvz | xaureus: where foo is a group to be allowed to access /usr/bin/messenger and bar is the user to make a member of that group |
| 15:37.17 | Sh4dowcat | hmm |
| 15:37.25 | nvz | xaureus: then anyone not in that group cant run that program |
| 15:37.26 | Sh4dowcat | anyone know the website for the blootbot svn repository? |
| 15:37.32 | andre_m | streuner_: root does it |
| 15:37.39 | xaureus | so only the bar user can acces that application right? |
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| 15:37.46 | xaureus | ok thanks |
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| 15:39.18 | session | Does cron jobs make a log for me to check for error msg's ? |
| 15:39.39 | streuner_ | session: look into /var/log/syslog |
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| 15:40.00 | caphuso | session: no, it mails you the output of your cron job, if any should appear |
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| 15:40.27 | steigweis | in which file do i edit the machine's ip adress? |
| 15:40.43 | asg | steigweis: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:40.46 | caphuso | session: /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hosts |
| 15:40.53 | caphuso | err, steigweis |
| 15:41.06 | wwallace | how do i delete a printer that im unable to delete using localhost:631 using i guess some configuration file and where i sthe configuration file located? |
| 15:41.21 | asg | wwallace: /etc/cups/printers.conf |
| 15:41.30 | wwallace | asg: thank you |
| 15:41.44 | asg | you're welcome |
| 15:41.45 | steigweis | thanks |
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| 15:41.59 | rattler_414 | has anyone gotten the drivers from prism54.org for the netgear WG111 usb dongle ? |
| 15:42.27 | rattler_414 | preism54.org is offline or refusing connections |
| 15:42.31 | session | 26 17 * * * root rsync -avz /mnt/windows/ /home/session/mp3 is this right ? Root mail tells me: /bin/sh: line 1: root: command not found |
| 15:42.32 | streuner_ | rattler_414: well, dosn't wlan-ng support prism54? |
| 15:42.54 | rattler_414 | I don't know I have just recently tried wifi |
| 15:43.09 | bbrazil | session: which crontab is that in? |
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| 15:43.34 | session | crontab -e |
| 15:43.47 | rattler_414 | let me update apt and I'll see if ti's there |
| 15:43.48 | asg | session: remove 'root' |
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| 15:43.59 | bbrazil | session: ah, so the root crontab - remove the 'root' |
| 15:44.00 | PoPnow | when doing 'arp -s <ipaddress> <hwaddress> pub' will that reset after a reboot? |
| 15:44.03 | asg | session: that's only used for files in /etc/cron.d/ and such |
| 15:44.05 | session | asg: but I also have a mount part in there |
| 15:44.10 | bbrazil | PoPnow: yes. /etc/ethers |
| 15:44.26 | session | 25 17 * * * root mount -t smbfs -o username=admin,password= |
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| 15:44.33 | streuner_ | rattler_414: read the FAQ of #wireless |
| 15:44.37 | asg | session: if you set it in root's crontab (sudo crontab -e) then it is already running as root so you don't need to specify |
| 15:44.45 | PoPnow | bbrazil: so I just put the command row in the /etc/ethers? |
| 15:44.51 | asg | session: if it's running from /etc/cron.d or /etc/cron.daily, etc, you do. |
| 15:44.59 | bbrazil | PoPnow: no, there's some special format. I've never used it |
| 15:45.02 | session | asg: I remeber now :) |
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| 15:45.39 | bbrazil | PoPnow: you might want to go for a pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:47.07 | patterns | hey ehh, I can't get into #python it says I need to be identified? |
| 15:47.23 | ski | gah, how do i simply show files in a directory with 'find' (there is no subdirectory) ? i'm trying 'find /path/to/dir -print' but it says 'FIND: Ivalid switch' |
| 15:47.24 | Tortel | yea |
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| 15:47.40 | abrotman | eeyore-: PING! |
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| 15:47.41 | Tortel | patterns: /msg nickserv |
| 15:47.45 | rattler_414 | streuner, Thanks going there now |
| 15:47.53 | patterns | Tortel tnx xx |
| 15:47.56 | petemc | ski: you have to specify what you want to find |
| 15:48.06 | petemc | ski: ie, -type f |
| 15:48.16 | ski | every thing in the subdir .. |
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| 15:48.26 | ski | hm, ok, i'll stare at man page again |
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| 15:48.41 | petemc | ski: find /path/to/dir -type f |
| 15:48.47 | asdasd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.47 | asdasd | having some trouble with kde headers |
| 15:48.47 | asdasd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.47 | asdasd | but when I try to update kspy it says it is at the current version |
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| 15:48.53 | nefertum | hi, is there any way to execute apps in a chroot environment using the father's X system? |
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| 15:49.23 | asdasd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.23 | asdasd | having some trouble with kde headers |
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| 15:49.28 | asdasd | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.28 | asdasd | but when I try to update kspy it says it is at the current version |
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| 15:49.38 | bbrazil | ski: that should work |
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| 15:51.49 | bbrazil | ski: you probably have a typo in the -print |
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| 15:52.25 | petemc | which you dont need anyway.. |
| 15:52.28 | ski | hm, no doesn't seem to work :( .. |
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| 15:53.34 | bbrazil | petemc: unless you're on an old version of solaris |
| 15:53.53 | bbrazil | ski: what's the exact line you're using? |
| 15:54.13 | petemc | bbrazil: right, you would like to think its safe to assume debian tho.. |
| 15:54.21 | ski | (i'll go ask in #cygwin (since i'm not at home debian machine, now) ... exact cmd line i tried now was 'find /cygdrive/c/ascii -type f -print' (and yes, i have correct path)) |
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| 15:55.15 | bbrazil | ski: you're probably using windows find - which is roughly fgrep |
| 15:55.25 | abrotman | find . -print ? |
| 15:55.36 | ski | hm .. me checks |
| 15:55.39 | asg | abrotman: find /my -keys? |
| 15:55.41 | abrotman | works form e |
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| 15:56.15 | abrotman | ski: is there a space in your directory ? |
| 15:56.19 | abrotman | ski: got it ? |
| 15:56.24 | ski | bbrazil : thank you |
| 15:56.36 | bbrazil | ski: np |
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| 15:56.52 | ski | (i thought i searched /bin first, but it didn't) |
| 15:57.02 | ski | s/i/it/ |
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| 15:57.24 | bbrazil | petemc: unfortunatly we can't always assume debian in this channel |
| 15:57.27 | darkness1 | Damn shite this sarge screensaver just shit me up.All i saw was what looked like a sys crash ffs :-( |
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| 15:57.39 | asdasd | lol |
| 15:57.50 | petemc | bbrazil: seemingly so |
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| 15:58.03 | manu | ki9ou' |
| 15:58.06 | skiflyer | I changed my /etc/network/interfaces line from inet dhcp to inet static address 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 a while ago because I wanted my server to be on a fixed address, but today I just went to do an apt-get update and found that while it works fine on my LAN it's lost internet connectivity (through a linksys router) this way... are there more settings I need to put in on the... |
| 15:58.07 | manu | ljiñjnñi |
| 15:58.08 | skiflyer | ...server that I forgot about? |
| 15:58.10 | manu | kidgftl |
| 15:58.12 | skiflyer | gateawy maybe? |
| 15:58.17 | manu | uty87yt |
| 15:58.20 | manu | 8y7t6r |
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| 15:58.24 | manu | 8y4563+ |
| 15:58.25 | manu | t |
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| 15:58.41 | bbrazil | !ops manu spamming |
| 15:58.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: manu spamming |
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| 15:58.54 | manu | yg+rehgd |
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| 15:59.02 | manu | f87req87 |
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| 15:59.42 | bbrazil | caphuso: thanks |
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| 16:01.30 | N0S3_1 | hello! |
| 16:01.47 | amorphix | hi! |
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| 16:03.54 | inter_active | hi @ all |
| 16:04.01 | ke6isf | Can one just set passwd as a command shell with no ill effects? |
| 16:04.04 | inter_active | cu |
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| 16:04.25 | bbrazil | ke6isf: ? |
| 16:04.31 | abrotman | wtf was that? |
| 16:04.51 | abrotman | ke6isf: what? .. why woudl you want to do that ? |
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| 16:05.04 | abrotman | ke6isf: and realisitcally .. no .. use /bin/false ? |
| 16:05.13 | ke6isf | I have users that occasionally want to change passwords, and no web interface - and the simple explanation is that they don't want to use a shell. |
| 16:05.34 | abrotman | ke6isf: what kind of access do they have ? |
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| 16:05.49 | ke6isf | abrotman: Just about any. Right now, these users have /bin/bash for a shell. |
| 16:05.50 | bbrazil | ke6isf: should be okay - beware sftp/non-tty access though |
| 16:06.06 | abrotman | ke6isf: so .. uhm .. they do ssh in or not ? |
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| 16:06.13 | ke6isf | abrotman: They do, yes. |
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| 16:06.19 | abrotman | i don't see the problem then ... |
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| 16:06.51 | knightfoo | so why cant they just type "passwd" |
| 16:07.00 | abrotman | or why not expire thier password |
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| 16:07.16 | bbrazil | ke6isf: what services do they use? |
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| 16:07.23 | ke6isf | bbrazil: POP3. |
| 16:07.44 | abrotman | i just asked if they use ssh! |
| 16:08.00 | ke6isf | Sorry, my attention's divided. |
| 16:08.00 | knightfoo | heh |
| 16:08.15 | sussudio_ | !confuse ke6isf |
| 16:08.16 | dpkg | No, where was our snake yesterday, ke6isf? wellies of the people's republic of micronesia with extra herring |
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| 16:08.21 | abrotman | ke6isf: what about setting up a webmail that allows them to (ick) change thier password ? |
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| 16:08.34 | abrotman | like i think horde has a module for that |
| 16:08.42 | ke6isf | abrotman: I suppose it's possible, I've just been webmailphobic for a while. =^^= |
| 16:08.44 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 16:09.04 | abrotman | yup what? |
| 16:09.10 | SimonRaven | yup |
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| 16:09.13 | SimonRaven | ;p |
| 16:09.16 | abrotman | ke6isf: the horde/imp stuff is actually pretty good |
| 16:09.21 | abrotman | !prize SimonRaven |
| 16:09.24 | SimonRaven | horde change passwd thingy |
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| 16:09.47 | abrotman | SimonRaven: ah ok |
| 16:09.55 | KomiaPoika | help, i made apt-get upgrade and my libusb is no longer available ... how do i restore it? |
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| 16:09.58 | ke6isf | abrotman: Cool, I'll check it out. |
| 16:10.07 | abrotman | ke6isf: http://www.horde.org/projects.php |
| 16:10.17 | abrotman | ke6isf: fair warning .. it's in PHP |
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| 16:10.48 | stew | KomiaPoika: you did upgrade or dist-upgrade? upgrade wouldn't have removed a pacakge |
| 16:10.52 | stew | KomiaPoika: what version of debian? |
| 16:10.56 | KomiaPoika | sarge |
| 16:11.00 | KomiaPoika | how do i track down the problem |
| 16:11.07 | KomiaPoika | i just made upgrade |
| 16:11.15 | cheal | libusb? is that supposed to be a package? |
| 16:11.23 | abrotman | libusb did NOT just get upgraded in sarge |
| 16:11.37 | stew | KomiaPoika: "dpkg -l | grep libusb" do you have any libusb packages installed? |
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| 16:11.44 | amorphix | whats the deal with this e2sprog thing |
| 16:11.49 | abrotman | so either he's not using sarge . or he hasn't updated his box in 4 months |
| 16:11.51 | amorphix | which is it causing problems? |
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| 16:12.11 | abrotman | ke6isf: i guess i just think that's the easiest .. and possibly least error prone |
| 16:12.20 | asg | amorphix: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs |
| 16:12.26 | amorphix | thanks |
| 16:12.31 | KomiaPoika | # dpkg -l | grep libusb |
| 16:12.31 | KomiaPoika | ii libusb-0.1-4 0.1.10a-9.sarge.1 userspace USB programming library |
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| 16:12.55 | KomiaPoika | stew |
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| 16:13.00 | KomiaPoika | it used to work until today |
| 16:13.00 | cheal | KomiaPoika: so what's no longer available? |
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| 16:13.21 | KomiaPoika | cheal: sane-find-scanner normally detects my scanner thru libusb |
| 16:13.31 | abrotman | !info libusb sarge |
| 16:13.49 | stew | KomiaPoika: does it show up when you "lsusb"? |
| 16:13.51 | amorphix | I bought a usb optical mouse and it worked right away in Linux without doing a single thing, im astonished |
| 16:13.57 | amorphix | I thought this day would never come |
| 16:14.08 | stew | KomiaPoika: did you also upgrade your kenrel? |
| 16:14.12 | KomiaPoika | no |
| 16:14.12 | stew | kernel* |
| 16:14.17 | stew | no to which? |
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| 16:14.20 | cheal | KomiaPoika: that probably refers to the "libusb-0.1-4" pacakge you have installed |
| 16:14.31 | amorphix | Linux is catching up! |
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| 16:14.58 | KomiaPoika | i didn't upgrade my kernel |
| 16:15.04 | amorphix | and this happened even in kernel 2.4 |
| 16:15.20 | KomiaPoika | lsubs shows the usb device |
| 16:15.55 | KomiaPoika | yesterday it worked, today i made an apt get upgrade and it upgraded a few things, now sane-find-scanner doesn't work anymore |
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| 16:18.07 | bgat | pbuilder is giving me this: dpkg-gencontrol: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (0) |
| 16:18.12 | bgat | should I be concerned? |
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| 16:18.41 | asg | bgat: it's building in a chroot right? |
| 16:18.46 | bgat | right |
| 16:18.49 | baroni | Hi all. How is the command that simulates a 'make install', just printing wha will be copied to the dirs? |
| 16:18.51 | asg | bgat: it shouldn't be a problem then |
| 16:19.10 | bgat | asg: is there a convenient way to correct the problem? |
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| 16:19.26 | bgat | s/problem/warning |
| 16:19.54 | baroni | Does anybody knows if i copy a file like 'libfaad.so' to /usr/lib/, substituing the existing one of the debian package, that will damage all the apt or something like that of the database.. |
| 16:19.57 | asg | bgat: not sure to be honest. you'd need to get the script to define a LOGNAME variable |
| 16:20.06 | bgat | baroni: make -n |
| 16:20.14 | baroni | thanks bgat ! |
| 16:20.26 | bgat | asg: sounds like more trouble than it's worth. :) |
| 16:20.35 | asg | bgat: make a backup of the original so if it buggers things up, you can always restore it. |
| 16:20.41 | asg | bgat: yeah, probably is. |
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| 16:20.57 | bgat | asg: ok, thanks! |
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| 16:22.12 | Lutin_Triste | 2;2;2;2;2;2;2;2;2;2;2;2;22;2;2;2;;;2;;2;2; |
| 16:22.26 | asg | Lutin_Triste: no, it's in /dev/foo |
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| 16:22.34 | bgat | Lutin_Triste: I think you're looking for #botnet |
| 16:23.10 | error403 | How do i find out what groups a user is in, when not logged in as that user? |
| 16:23.15 | asg | error403: id |
| 16:23.17 | bbrazil | error403: id |
| 16:23.20 | error403 | id? |
| 16:23.26 | asg | error403: /usr/bin/id |
| 16:23.39 | bbrazil | a slightly more correct answer is 'groups' |
| 16:23.40 | bgat | error403: groups <username> |
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| 16:23.48 | error403 | aha, thanks asg and bbrazil |
| 16:24.00 | error403 | and bgat |
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| 16:24.10 | error403 | i knew it must have been something simple |
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| 16:24.43 | fusspils | when I click on a perl script it opens in a text editor, what am I missing? |
| 16:25.07 | amorphix | you need to call perl |
| 16:25.13 | amorphix | !#/usr/bin/perl |
| 16:25.20 | amorphix | place that at top of the script |
| 16:25.30 | amorphix | I think thats right, someone correct me? |
| 16:25.32 | asg | fusspils: make sure that it has the execute bit set |
| 16:25.43 | stew | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 16:25.47 | amorphix | thanks stew |
| 16:25.54 | fusspils | it says that at the top of the script already |
| 16:26.01 | amorphix | ok |
| 16:26.03 | stew | fusspils: what are the permissions of the file |
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| 16:26.19 | fusspils | sorry new to this |
| 16:26.24 | fusspils | how do I check the file perms? |
| 16:26.28 | wm3t | ls -l |
| 16:26.30 | amorphix | also if you're outputting html to a browse u must declare the content type |
| 16:26.43 | Evaso | anybody have got problem about sid version of cdrecord and k3b, gnomebaker, graveman and 2.6.12 kernel? |
| 16:26.45 | amorphix | thats a common mistake and the browser doesnt know how to handle it, so treats it as plain text |
| 16:26.46 | ChrisTwo | Is there any useful information around about building custom install CDs *other* than from an existing Debian installation? All the guides I can find relate specifically to having a Debian system available to start with. |
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| 16:26.56 | asg | Evaso: someone earlier did. Check the bts |
| 16:27.01 | incorrect | what package creates /dev ? |
| 16:27.05 | incorrect | at install time? |
| 16:27.16 | xoz | what's the difference between #!/usr/bin/perl and #!/usr/bin/env perl |
| 16:27.17 | fusspils | Stew: -rwxr-xr-x |
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| 16:27.25 | asg | ChrisTwo: I use bootcd to build custom live and live -> disk snapshot installers from a chroot and a kernel of my choice. |
| 16:27.27 | incorrect | duh makedev |
| 16:27.38 | Jason-Bourne | Wvy yarkogo tsveta!! |
| 16:28.04 | Jason-Bourne | incorrect Ti yarkogo tsveta |
| 16:28.09 | ChrisTwo | asg: Yes, but that requires access to a machine to boot from CD with access to the Internet, yes? |
| 16:28.12 | asg | Jason-Bourne: that doesn't help at all |
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| 16:28.16 | Evaso | asg: do u remember if the problem was the kernel version? |
| 16:28.31 | ChrisTwo | Unfortunately, I have machines I can boot from CD, but not online; and machines that are online that I can't boot from CD |
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| 16:28.41 | asg | Evaso: I sure don't. If it works with a previous kernel though, I'd suspect that to be indicative. |
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| 16:28.55 | asg | !rube goldberg install |
| 16:28.55 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 16:29.09 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 16:29.21 | ChrisTwo | xoz, one relies on perl being in one place, the other executes perl as if you typed it at a shell |
| 16:29.22 | stew | xoz: as i understand it, "env perl" would execute "perl" based on the current env, including the PATH variable, so if you want it to pick up /usr/local/bin/perl if it exists... but i'm not completely sure either |
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| 16:30.18 | ChrisTwo | asg: :) |
| 16:30.29 | asg | ChrisTwo: you could use floppy or usb installs on the non-cd bootable machines perhaps |
| 16:30.40 | ChrisTwo | That's not the point. |
| 16:30.56 | amorphix | my screen is at 1024 and i hate it |
| 16:30.58 | ChrisTwo | They're not my machines, and they're locked down to HD boot only |
| 16:31.07 | asg | oh |
| 16:31.24 | ChrisTwo | (mostly to prevent people from using live CDs or floppies to do things the system normally won't allow) |
| 16:31.27 | amorphix | i want my 200 extra back |
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| 16:31.53 | zinx | ChrisTwo: which BIOS? |
| 16:32.02 | selim | can someone help me with an apache2 installation? |
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| 16:32.14 | ChrisTwo | zinx, doesn't matter. |
| 16:32.14 | amorphix | apt-get install apache2 |
| 16:32.29 | ChrisTwo | They're not my machines. More than my life's worth to fiddle with them. |
| 16:32.30 | zinx | ChrisTwo: yes it does. there are backdoor passwords for every BIOS, so you can make them boot from whatever you want :/ |
| 16:32.32 | nelf | I'm running testing 2.6.12 - I have an nvidia card - what package supplies the nvidia binary module for this, or do I have to get the source and compile it? |
| 16:32.32 | selim | I've tried to install vhcs and the vhost installed by the setup are not in effect what could be the problem? |
| 16:32.46 | ChrisTwo | zinx, you're missing the point. |
| 16:32.53 | zinx | *shrug* |
| 16:32.58 | amorphix | ChrisTwo who's machines are they |
| 16:33.14 | ChrisTwo | College |
| 16:33.26 | amorphix | can you not blame someone else? |
| 16:33.27 | stew | ChrisTwo: what do they run now? windows? |
| 16:33.41 | ChrisTwo | amorphix, not with the CCTV in the corner, no. |
| 16:33.44 | amorphix | hehe |
| 16:33.47 | amorphix | drat |
| 16:34.03 | ChrisTwo | That, and the fact that the network logins are logged, and I'm the only person logged in in this room |
| 16:34.08 | ChrisTwo | stew, FC3 |
| 16:34.11 | nelf | I have other nvidia modules in my /lib/modules/2.6.12 directory from other packages (nvidiafb, nvidia-agp), but really want to try to stick with packaged kernels. |
| 16:34.12 | thingfish | nelf: get nvidia-kernel-source and use m-a to compile it, is what I do. |
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| 16:34.27 | nelf | m-a? |
| 16:34.35 | thingfish | module-assistant. |
| 16:34.54 | stew | ChrisTwo: you could do a debootstrap install |
| 16:34.55 | ChrisTwo | I've got a sane toolchain available, just not all the tools mentioned on the guides |
| 16:35.17 | amorphix | someone tell me how to block host with iptable? I've lost all my Linux notes |
| 16:35.37 | stew | amorphix: iptables -A INPUT -s 1.2.3.4/32 -j DROP |
| 16:35.42 | amorphix | well not lost exactly, they're on a CD in my holder but im too lazy to sort thru it |
| 16:35.45 | amorphix | stew: cheers |
| 16:35.52 | ChrisTwo | stew, I'm not replacing the installs on these machines, I just want to build a CD with a different packages to the normal CD1 |
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| 16:36.27 | ChrisTwo | I don't need things like the compiler, etc. but I do need quite a bit of stuff that isn't on CD1 |
| 16:36.40 | thingfish | nelf: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner if you're unfamiliar with installing nvidia the debian way. |
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| 16:36.57 | ChrisTwo | annoyingly, to write ISO images to CD on these machines requires root access. Understandably the Uni doesn't give that out :) |
| 16:37.13 | stew | ChrisTwo: i'd think you could just tailor the .jigdo to your needs |
| 16:37.30 | stew | wait if you can't burn a cd, what are you planning to do then? |
| 16:37.32 | nelf | thingfish: I've done it quite a few times (maybe 20), but I'm trying to steer clear out of custom kernels - the docs give the impression that I don't have to do anything. |
| 16:37.55 | jades | folk i can only get a subpar 1024x768 @ 76 Hz with 256 colours. windows has 1240x1024 @ 60 Hz with 32 bit color depth. any ideas how to improve? |
| 16:38.08 | stew | ChrisTwo: the .jigdo files are just gzipped text files |
| 16:38.47 | Dasnipa` | hmm what is the package for sshd i didnt see it in apt-cache |
| 16:38.53 | abrotman | apt-cache search ssh |
| 16:38.57 | ChrisTwo | I can burn files to CD. As in dropping them straight to the disc. |
| 16:39.21 | ChrisTwo | AFAIK, the Nautilus CD burner is very basic |
| 16:39.26 | nelf | thingfish: I'll give module-assistant a go |
| 16:39.28 | mere | perhaps you can use dd to burn? |
| 16:39.37 | cheal | Dasnipa`: apt-file search bin/sshd |
| 16:39.47 | steigweis | for a desktop system on my old notebook.. would you prefer debian sarge or sid? is sid very "unstable"? |
| 16:39.54 | mere | think nautillus CD burner can burn an iso though |
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| 16:40.03 | ChrisTwo | nope |
| 16:40.13 | ChrisTwo | literally just burns a set of files to CD |
| 16:40.14 | selim | no one any idea, vhcs copied a vhcs.conf vhost file in the site-available directory but it seems not to react |
| 16:40.19 | ChrisTwo | can't make it bootable either |
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| 16:40.21 | amorphix | unless you need to run unstable, perhaps for newer software why would you want to run that |
| 16:40.42 | amorphix | it shouldnt be first choice, certainly not for a newbie |
| 16:40.59 | mere | did you try right clicking the iso and select "burn CD/DVD"? |
| 16:41.04 | ChrisTwo | more importantly, I don't really want to have to mess around with 4 or 5 CDs, when I could probably fit everything onto 1 |
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| 16:41.14 | steigweis | i want to do openoffice etc in the first polace |
| 16:41.31 | selim | it's always referreing to apache-default in the standard /var/www/htdocs |
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| 16:41.51 | finn | . |
| 16:41.55 | secher | Heyas all. This is odd. The only reason I'm asking here is because it's OSS related, so sorry if I'm a bit OT. My Linksys wireless router has a constant connection via https to virtual-aus.mozilla.osuosl.org. Does anyone know why or had this experience? |
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| 16:42.08 | amorphix | openoffice is available in stable and testing eh |
| 16:42.12 | mere | a nice idea would to buy a sarge DVD, too. i bought one for R$1,50 (about $0.60) on a magazine shop |
| 16:42.21 | drzoot|laptop | hello all, trying to build a source package of gcc-4 from unstable on a stable box so it can participate in a distcc cluster ive got happening. i was told the gcc should build on stable this way but apt wants to update just about everything as part of the build-deps anyone got any pointers? |
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| 16:42.26 | amorphix | mere thats cheap |
| 16:42.37 | ChrisTwo | What's more important is being able to reinstall from the same CD at a later date. Especially if I want to pass the custom CD to other people. |
| 16:42.41 | amorphix | less than the cost of a postage stamp! neat |
| 16:42.50 | MONKi | Where should I go about questions for Debian using SELinux? |
| 16:42.52 | mere | yeah it was quite cheap... but was selling very nice when i went there |
| 16:43.10 | MONKi | I'm wondering if Debian has support for it and how far along it is. |
| 16:43.11 | fbi | amorphix: testing/unstable have a newer version of openoffice than stable |
| 16:43.13 | ftsac | is there a free version of kaspersky anti-virus to use with amavis-new? |
| 16:43.14 | ChrisTwo | If it makes a difference, the link on the jigdo wiki page is broken. |
| 16:43.28 | ChrisTwo | When I try and grab the first couple of files, they all turn up 404 |
| 16:44.16 | mere | *nicely |
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| 16:44.42 | secher | MONKi: try this: www.coker.com.au/selinux/ |
| 16:44.43 | mere | ChrisTwo, http://wiki.debian.org/?DebianCustomCD ? |
| 16:45.37 | ChrisTwo | mere, relies on having a Debian system available |
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| 16:46.24 | error403 | Is there a bash script that is run when a user is created? I would like to find and edit it so i can automatically add CVS repos for new users on my machine |
| 16:46.24 | mere | hrm. |
| 16:46.53 | ChrisTwo | Just need info on manually creating whatever files are necessary, without the debian-cd tools |
| 16:47.06 | MONKi | secher: Got any other sites? |
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| 16:47.11 | ChrisTwo | I can easily drop all the packages and config files to CD and generate an ISOLINUX bootable later |
| 16:47.17 | stew | error403: /usr/sbin/adduser |
| 16:47.25 | ski | hm, can you make 'diff' return an exit code indicating whether there was a difference or not ? |
| 16:47.25 | secher | MONKi: I got that from google: debian selinux |
| 16:47.35 | MONKi | secher: Ah. OK. |
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| 16:48.06 | MONKi | secher: Do you know a channel or some place where I could talk to someone who uses SELinux on Debian? |
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| 16:48.20 | error403 | stew, thanks, ill take a look |
| 16:48.24 | asg | ski: it returns 1 if they diff, 0 if they are the same |
| 16:48.25 | ChrisTwo | ski: er, it does |
| 16:48.34 | error403 | stew, i didnt realise i needed to edit the thing itself.. |
| 16:48.38 | asg | ski: diff foo bar ; echo $? |
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| 16:48.43 | xtz | hi there, how could i install this package -> libapache-mod-sqlinclude <- on debian sarge ? i can only find it on debian woody (apt..).. manual installation does not work |
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| 16:49.13 | ski | hm, ty asg,ChrisTwo .. wil try around |
| 16:49.38 | secher | MONKi: from google: debian selinux irc I got teh following #selinux on irc.freenode.net, which is coincidentally, the network on which we are chatting currently. i.e. /join #selinux |
| 16:50.18 | asg | ski: you could also use cmp -s foo bar |
| 16:50.29 | ski | hm, ty |
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| 16:50.51 | amorphix | stew: whats the difference between -I and -A in the context of dropping packets for an IP address with iptables command? |
| 16:50.53 | stew | ski: there is also diff -q |
| 16:51.06 | MONKi | secher: Thanks. Sorry for making you google... I should have done that myself. |
| 16:51.17 | asg | you could also md5sum both and compare the values. Lots of ways to do it. |
| 16:51.23 | stew | amorphix: -A means add to the end of the chain -I n means insert (before?) rule n |
| 16:51.29 | amorphix | aha |
| 16:51.30 | amorphix | thanks |
| 16:51.32 | secher | MONKi: the point I'm trying to make is that before you ask "where is" or "where can I find" questions anywhere, look to google first. Just a friendly lesson. <grin> no insult intended. |
| 16:51.45 | MONKi | secher: Ya. I'm sorry. |
| 16:51.46 | ski | (stew : ok) |
| 16:51.55 | secher | MONKi: and no apology necessary. Peace. |
| 16:51.59 | jla | I did a silly thing with screen: aclchg * +r-wx "#?" ... Is there a more graceful way to get the command permissions back than kill? |
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| 16:52.07 | stew | amorphix: i can never remeber if -I is before or after or wheter the first rule is 0 or 1 |
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| 16:52.24 | amorphix | I guess it's best to stick with -A then |
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| 16:52.58 | secher | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:53.22 | Frostbite | where can I get kdevelop3 for etch? |
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| 16:53.31 | asg | secher: /msg dpkg qotd29 |
| 16:53.34 | tabas | D donde eres |
| 16:53.43 | asg | !es |
| 16:53.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:53.45 | asg | tabas: ^^^^ |
| 16:53.47 | stew | Frostbite: you can't, /msg dpkg simple sid backport ; or ask #debian-kde |
| 16:53.50 | resiak | Frostbite: You wait until KDE gets fully into Etch, or pull stuff from Sid and become on your own. |
| 16:54.10 | tabas | SPAINS |
| 16:54.39 | Frostbite | stew ty |
| 16:54.56 | tabas | MADRID |
| 16:55.03 | asg | the rain therein fails mainly on the plain. We know. /j #debian-es |
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| 16:55.28 | amorphix | is it possible to filter ip's listed with iptables -L -n to just DROP rules? |
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| 16:55.30 | tabas | NO ENTIENDO |
| 16:55.35 | secher | Can we put a rule in place that whenever someone asks questions beginning with "where is" or "where can I", apt or dpkg autoresponds with a /msg to the poster of "Did you google for it?" |
| 16:55.49 | stew | !es |
| 16:55.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:55.54 | asg | tabas: no hablamos espanol aqui |
| 16:56.02 | evanpro | secher, where is the code to do that? |
| 16:56.10 | evanpro | B-) |
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| 16:56.29 | asg | evanpro: ask dondelelcaro he's the maintainer |
| 16:56.32 | secher | Evanpro: Dunno, just asking if it's possible. |
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| 16:56.47 | tabas | Y YO TANPOC |
| 16:57.01 | evanpro | where is the sense of humour around here? |
| 16:57.02 | asg | some kind of meat pie? |
| 16:57.15 | asg | evanpro: it died when we were told to be nice |
| 16:57.54 | evanpro | asg, where's the value in that? B-) |
| 16:58.10 | asg | evanpro: meat pies or being nice :) |
| 16:58.22 | secher | NICE?? when has #debian been nice? Does that mean that mwilson has been lifebanned? <Grin> Nice sucks, nice is what you do when you have nothing to teach or learn. |
| 16:58.24 | amorphix | can someone explain to me about the signifance of the /xx number on an ip address. For example, if I'm dropping an ip address 192.168.0.0/24, does that mean it will drop 192.168.0.1-24? |
| 16:58.26 | fbi | mince pies > * |
| 16:58.30 | asg | evanpro: we are nice, until it's time not to be |
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| 16:58.34 | asg | fbi: I agree 100% |
| 16:58.37 | evanpro | amorphix, google CIDR |
| 16:58.37 | thingfish | hehe mwilson lifebanned |
| 16:58.43 | asg | oh shit, I didn't just paraphrase Roadhouse did I/ |
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| 16:58.59 | asg | thingfish: he's still on here |
| 16:59.06 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 16:59.08 | elvirolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.10 | secher | asg: Heh, you closet Swayze fan you. LOL |
| 16:59.23 | asg | secher: yeah apparently. Some repressed memory. |
| 16:59.24 | thingfish | asg: I know; I just thought what secher typed was funny. |
| 16:59.37 | asg | thingfish: *nod* |
| 16:59.45 | amorphix | evanpro: thanks, this is somewhat hard for my little squirrel brain to comprehend ;-) |
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| 17:00.16 | asg | thingfish: Fieldysnuts was lifebanned iirc |
| 17:00.32 | thingfish | asg: I was wondering what happened to him. |
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| 17:00.41 | asg | thingfish: or her |
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| 17:00.47 | thingfish | heh yes, or her. |
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| 17:00.48 | secher | Gonna repost something 'cos it's really irritating me and Google is turning up squat...... |
| 17:00.48 | asg | thingfish: I think Fieldy was a her |
| 17:00.58 | secher | Heyas all. This is odd. The only reason I'm asking here is because it's OSS related, so sorry if I'm a bit OT. My Linksys wireless router has a constant connection via https to virtual-aus.mozilla.osuosl.org. Does anyone know why or had this experience? |
| 17:01.23 | Ungy | anybody remeber the name of that character that smokes the pipe back around 1995 there was a church dedicated to him I want to say church of dave but I can't remeber now |
| 17:01.32 | fbi | what does OSS have to do with your router? |
| 17:01.39 | secher | Ungy: Hail ERIS! |
| 17:01.52 | asg | Ungy: get Slack |
| 17:02.03 | asg | Ungy: Church of the SubGenius |
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| 17:02.44 | secher | fbi: cause I'm running Debian and the site is oregon state univ. OSL site. Just really wierd. |
| 17:02.51 | amorphix | i dont like this CIDR system for IP addresses |
| 17:02.53 | asg | Ungy: http://www.subgenius.com/ |
| 17:03.01 | Ungy | asg that's it thanks |
| 17:03.01 | secher | asg: all hais Discordia. |
| 17:03.04 | spr1n | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 17:03.04 | spr1n | kernel? |
| 17:03.06 | asg | hail |
| 17:03.18 | asg | secher: our first E250 was named eris |
| 17:03.18 | secher | s/hais/hail/s |
| 17:03.27 | spr1n | can some one help me? |
| 17:03.59 | asg | spr1n: can you be patient, people are help may other people. You will be attended to shortly |
| 17:04.12 | cahoot | amorphix: ipcalc might be informative |
| 17:04.41 | Ungy | asg my screen saver hada multicolored version of bob on it and someone asked me who it was and I couldn;t remeber |
| 17:04.57 | asg | Ungy: ah :) |
| 17:05.04 | amorphix | if you have an ip address for an ISP in china which goes 222.190. could it be possible that other users in western countries may have IP's within this block, or would the rest of this block normally be used by this country? |
| 17:05.10 | amorphix | cahoot thanks |
| 17:05.13 | ChrisTwo | on pdo, what's the red "security" tag refer to? |
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| 17:05.31 | asg | ChrisTwo: it's stable package that has a security update |
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| 17:05.38 | ChrisTwo | thanks |
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| 17:05.51 | shining_ | hi |
| 17:06.12 | asg | amorphix: whois <ip> (the resultant info will tell you who owns the block and maybe any subblocks) |
| 17:06.23 | amorphix | yeah i appreciate that |
| 17:06.31 | amorphix | but i want to know how ip blocks are managed |
| 17:06.33 | shining_ | is it possible to do a net install on a laptop using wifi? |
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| 17:06.43 | resiak | spr1n: try dpkg -L kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:06.58 | amorphix | is there a guideline on this or can ip's be allocated in an uniformed manner? |
| 17:07.01 | asg | shining_: only for a very small number of wireless cards that have kernel support |
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| 17:07.37 | shining_ | asg: I thought it wasnt possible even for these ones |
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| 17:08.05 | cahoot | amorphix: what are you trying to protect yourself from? |
| 17:08.07 | asg | shining_: I expect that's because wireless tools isn't installed then. |
| 17:08.09 | shining_ | anyway, the laptop I'm now on use ipw2200, so it isnt the case. how would you do then? |
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| 17:08.11 | heyu | join #xine |
| 17:08.28 | secher | amorphix: the RFCs are the place to look, but iirc, if org 1 gets a class A subnet, they can refarm out the subnets to whom they desire, and so on down the chain. |
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| 17:08.36 | amorphix | cahoot: I'm getting alot of spammers in China trying to connect to my mailserver to use it as a relay and I'd like to drop these suckers |
| 17:08.49 | amorphix | ok |
| 17:08.58 | asg | shining_: use a full install CD so you can build your own kernel (/msg dpkg ipw2200) |
| 17:09.03 | shining_ | asg: you would need to have the firmware too, and that the net cd is able to load it |
| 17:09.18 | asg | shining_: or, if you have a pcmcia nic or internal nic that's supported, use that to do a net install. |
| 17:09.27 | shining_ | asg: is there a full cd or etch or sid? |
| 17:09.38 | concept10 | Anyone use the package ddclient for dyndns? |
| 17:09.51 | asg | shining_: sarge is 14 cds but you should only need the first one which contains kernel sources and compilers |
| 17:09.52 | shining_ | asg: I've an internal nic, but I can't use it. or its a real pain |
| 17:09.53 | secher | !anyone |
| 17:09.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:10.07 | spr1n | resiak: I was told that Package `kernel-headers' is not intalled |
| 17:10.10 | concept10 | Super_Anyone use the package ddclient for dyndns? |
| 17:10.15 | shining_ | asg: only sarge? |
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| 17:10.27 | shining_ | I know I can upgrade later |
| 17:10.28 | S4nD3r | May I have a authentication server running SAMBA to clients linux ??? |
| 17:10.38 | amorphix | cahoot: nobody needs sendmail apart from my server and internal users, so maybe I just need to configure it better to deny all hosts |
| 17:10.40 | concept10 | secher, what about super_anyone? |
| 17:10.41 | asg | shining_: there may be daily etch releases. There probably are unoffical sid cds but I would strongly recommend not using them. |
| 17:10.53 | secher | concept10: LOL nice. |
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| 17:11.37 | concept10 | No, seriously im wondering if I could stop the ddclient it uses too much damnned CPU for a dns updater |
| 17:11.44 | asg | shining_: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ (bottom of the page) |
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| 17:11.46 | shining_ | asg: does the first cd provides ipw2200 ? otherwise how do I find which packages I will need |
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| 17:12.10 | sander | how do I add an ssh port number in any files in .ssh/ .. to I dont need to spesify port number on the command line? |
| 17:12.13 | asg | shining_: /msg dpkg cd contents (that should help you decide what you need.) |
| 17:12.31 | stew | shining_: ipw2200 is on cd13 |
| 17:12.34 | asg | sander: man ssh_config |
| 17:13.08 | shining_ | cd13.. :) |
| 17:13.26 | resiak | spr1n: I didn't say dpkg -L kernel-headers, I said dpkg -L kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:13.34 | resiak | spr1n: Why do you need them, anyway? |
| 17:13.35 | moyue | /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 17:13.59 | spr1n | resiak: trying install vmware |
| 17:14.22 | resiak | spr1n: I see. Well, you may not have the kernel headers installed. Is this a stock Debian kernel? |
| 17:14.55 | spr1n | resiak: I have lunux-kernel-headers instead |
| 17:15.08 | resiak | spr1n: They're not actually the headers of the running kernel. |
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| 17:15.30 | resiak | spr1n: Install the headers for your kernel. apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 17:16.17 | slidesinger | I've been using thunderbird for my mail client for some time, I have also been using firefox as my default browser. However, whenever I click on a link in an email, or anywhere besides my browser, the link opens in konqueror. I am running icewm, not kde or gnome and, though I have set the default to be firefox in both kde and gnome. |
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| 17:16.29 | S4nD3r | NIS client doesnt work in debian!!! Then I need to put my clients in my network authentication. |
| 17:16.42 | slidesinger | Even so, everything still opens in konqueror. Any ideas? |
| 17:16.56 | asg | slidesinger: try update-alternatives --config www-browser |
| 17:17.16 | amorphix | where is cahoot |
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| 17:18.05 | asg | !seen cahoot |
| 17:18.06 | dpkg | cahoot is currently on #debian (2h 6m 43s). Has said a total of 4549 messages. Is idling for 10m 1s |
| 17:18.07 | slidesinger | asg: There is only 1 program which provides www-browser |
| 17:18.07 | slidesinger | (/usr/bin/lynx). Nothing to configure. |
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| 17:18.30 | goccia | slidesinger: grep for konqueror in /etc/mailcap ? |
| 17:18.31 | asg | slidesinger: sorry, try x-www-browser |
| 17:18.37 | Edwin_Quijada | somebody has installed sarge 3.1 into proline 2500? |
| 17:19.01 | amorphix | cig break |
| 17:19.14 | spr1n | resiak: E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.12-1-386 |
| 17:19.26 | spr1n | =\ |
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| 17:19.30 | xelam | ok, what determines whether ls shows the year or the time in ls -l? |
| 17:19.42 | asg | shining_: 2.6.12, you need linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 17:19.44 | slidesinger | asg: That was it. Thanks. |
| 17:19.44 | resiak | spr1n: And from 2.6.12 upwards, it's linux-headers-*. Of course, as a testing/unstable user, you knew this. |
| 17:19.48 | cahoot | amorphix: me no mail expert - but I really believe it's simpler/wiser/doable to config your MTA to only accept connections from you internal net |
| 17:19.49 | asg | slidesinger: you're welcome |
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| 17:20.51 | Mortis | Hi all |
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| 17:21.22 | spr1n | resiak: so i just need to do dpkg -L linux-kernel-headers-$(uname -r) ? |
| 17:21.32 | Mortis | It's not an advertisment but look at www muzyka oz pl |
| 17:21.34 | asg | !comfort resiak |
| 17:21.36 | dpkg | There, there, resiak. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:21.36 | shining_ | asg: I'm finally considering to connect it with ethernet, even though its a pain |
| 17:21.46 | jojo_halastra | Hello.. I have just installed debian 3.1, and i'm trying to get into my usb flash disk (whioch is also mp3 player) data.. how can i do it? and how can i do it make it automaticly?.. i have kernel 2.4... |
| 17:21.50 | asg | shining_: might be easier, true. |
| 17:21.58 | PoPnow | does /etc/ethers work in debian |
| 17:22.08 | asg | Mortis: unless you give us a compelling reason that it isn't an advert, you will be give the finger |
| 17:22.23 | asg | PoPnow: should do |
| 17:22.26 | resiak | spr1n: No ... you need linux-headers-$(uname -r), as I and others have told you. |
| 17:22.37 | nelf | Since I switched to kernel 2.6 (which detected my sata drives), the boot process no longer detects my cdrom - neither as IDE or SCSI... |
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| 17:22.57 | nelf | Is there a kernel module I need to insert to get it to detect my cdrom? |
| 17:23.05 | PoPnow | asg: do you know how it works |
| 17:23.06 | nelf | I've ide-cd |
| 17:23.14 | asg | nelf: maybe. Does dmesg list anything about that device |
| 17:23.15 | nelf | I've tried ide-cd |
| 17:23.28 | asg | PoPnow: ethers(5) gives the skinny. |
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| 17:24.16 | nelf | asg: Nothing at all, no |
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| 17:24.51 | nelf | asg: It used to detect it fine as an IDE drive using kernel 2.4.x, but not now |
| 17:24.55 | asg | nelf: very odd, IDE is generally never a problem. Which 2.6 kernel though? |
| 17:24.58 | spr1n | resiak: hmmm... still tells me that that's not installed =\ |
| 17:24.59 | S4nD3r | LDAP is so complicated for me |
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| 17:25.04 | S4nD3r | than I prefer use NIS |
| 17:25.12 | nelf | 2.6.12 |
| 17:25.20 | asg | nelf: well, are you using udev? |
| 17:25.37 | nelf | I believe so, as this is a pretty brand new install |
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| 17:26.13 | asg | nelf: then I'd look there. It might not be configured right (sorry, I have 0 knowledge about udev. Others might though) |
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| 17:26.53 | asg | nelf: oh also, did you compile the 2.6.12 kernel your self or is it the debian one? |
| 17:27.09 | nelf | asg, will do - it could still have it's old '/dev/hdc' configuration lurking around - all the /dev/hda setting made it difficult to reinstall grub etc. |
| 17:27.19 | nelf | asg: no, it's the stock kernel |
| 17:27.25 | asg | ah okay |
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| 17:28.45 | resiak | spr1n: What is the exact error message? |
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| 17:29.25 | spr1n | resiak: Package `linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386' is not installed. |
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| 17:31.02 | nelf | cheers asg, I'll see how I get on! |
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| 17:31.07 | resiak | spr1n: So install it? |
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| 17:33.00 | jkern | Who or what would you contact to report a problem about the tracker for the Debian CD iso torrents? |
| 17:33.19 | ziom | hi do any body run dbfsd /dbmixer on his box? |
| 17:33.29 | spr1n | reisak: cannot find such package... ok, thnx for everything, It seems I shouldnt do this cause Im to lame =\ |
| 17:33.30 | asg | jkern: the webmaster for the site on which they are hosted? |
| 17:34.17 | fbi | ziom: i used to, why? |
| 17:34.26 | slidesinger | Is there a list somewhere of all the variables that update-alternatives controls? |
| 17:35.04 | ziom | fbi: how can i say other audio-progs to use the dbfsd? |
| 17:35.08 | asg | slidesinger: ls -l /etc/alternatives |
| 17:35.15 | jkern | asg, like webmaster@bttracker.acc.umu.se, I guess? |
| 17:35.18 | ziom | (xmms has dbfsd plugin) |
| 17:35.24 | slidesinger | asg: Thanks. |
| 17:35.26 | asg | jkern: that would be my first choice |
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| 17:35.34 | jkern | asg, thanks |
| 17:35.40 | resiak | spr1n: apt-cache search --names-only linux-headers . It could be that the headers for your particular build of 2.6.12 are no longer in the archives, and you may need a new revision and its headers. |
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| 17:35.47 | fbi | ziom: i'm not too sure about that, i use jackd to set up audio connections and i don't really use dbmix any longer |
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| 17:36.12 | ircdevil | what is the command to start the xscreensaver lock thingy? |
| 17:36.23 | asg | ircdevil: xlock? |
| 17:36.43 | nite613 | what package is xlock in? |
| 17:36.44 | xwolf | xscreensaver-command -lock? |
| 17:36.48 | ziom | fbi: i tried run jackd to i type in: jachd -d alsa (but when i trie connect in the progs to jack it says its not loaded) |
| 17:36.49 | asg | nite613: xlockmore |
| 17:36.52 | nite613 | thanks |
| 17:37.07 | fbi | ziom: install qjackctl |
| 17:37.16 | ziom | fbi: its installed |
| 17:37.31 | ircdevil | xwolf: exactly! ty |
| 17:37.34 | fbi | ziom: something is wrong then, you should be able to do all of that in qjackctl |
| 17:37.34 | ziom | fbi: when i play the play buton there it says not loaded in red letters.. |
| 17:37.49 | fbi | ziom: there are much better apps for dj mixing |
| 17:38.07 | ziom | fbi: which? |
| 17:38.27 | fbi | ziom: mixxx.sourceforge.net or if you are running unstable, apt-get install mixxx |
| 17:38.50 | fbi | mixxx has not moved into etch yet as far as i know |
| 17:38.56 | ziom | fbi: but how to conifure this jack? |
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| 17:38.59 | asg | !info mixxx etch |
| 17:39.03 | syntaxx | whats a good burning tool? |
| 17:39.10 | asg | syntaxx: a lighter |
| 17:39.11 | S4nD3r | How do I create a user with the same powers of root user ? |
| 17:39.13 | ziom | k3b |
| 17:39.19 | asg | S4nD3r: don't, use sudo |
| 17:39.30 | fbi | ziom: mixxx will appear in jack's control panel and you can make connections from there |
| 17:39.46 | fridge_ | Does the latest debian package 'mythtv' replace all the old packages of mythdvd, mythweather, mythgallery correctly? It wants to remove these old packages, and I'd rather not break it by upgrading and finding out it has removed most of the functionality. |
| 17:39.56 | S4nD3r | but using sudo I must specify which program may I use |
| 17:39.58 | S4nD3r | I dont |
| 17:40.03 | ekix | hi. anybody know why man does not cache man pages to /var/cache/man when a locale is set? |
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| 17:40.07 | S4nD3r | I want to have all access as root |
| 17:40.17 | asg | S4nD3r: no '<user> ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL' |
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| 17:40.39 | ekix | if i do `dpkg-reconfigure locales` and set the locale to `none`, then the man pages are cached |
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| 17:41.03 | meriad | any good opensource backup solutions.. |
| 17:41.08 | meriad | that anybody can think of.. |
| 17:41.13 | asg | meriad: many, bacula, backuppc, amanda |
| 17:41.32 | asg | meriad: tar, dump, rsync (more lightweight than above) |
| 17:41.47 | meriad | asg- bacula is garbage |
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| 17:41.56 | meriad | asg- i used that for a month and gave up when its autolabelling feature broke |
| 17:42.04 | S4nD3r | asg, thanks |
| 17:42.07 | xoz | rsnapshot |
| 17:42.07 | meriad | asg- is backuppc popular? |
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| 17:42.30 | asg | meriad: from what I heard, it is starting to become more popular. |
| 17:42.34 | meriad | bacula is.. |
| 17:42.43 | meriad | or backuppc |
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| 17:42.53 | asg | meriad: backuppc |
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| 17:43.24 | meriad | asg- from the site it appears to only support linux and win2k. |
| 17:43.25 | mtnman | ekix: you may want to try dpkg-reconfigure mandb |
| 17:43.28 | Usiu | Hi |
| 17:43.36 | meriad | asg- i have other servers to like openbsd, solaris, aix, hp-ux etc.. |
| 17:43.47 | ekix | mtnman, thanks, i'll try that :) |
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| 17:44.03 | asg | meriad: it supports any client with ssh/rsh/nfs (that's all of them) |
| 17:44.10 | mtnman | ekix: man-db, that is |
| 17:44.17 | meriad | asg- perfect |
| 17:44.21 | asg | meriad: apt-cache show backuppc |
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| 17:44.28 | ekix | mtnman, yes, just noticed that too :) |
| 17:44.28 | Laibsch | Hi, anyone happen to know what the directory in Debian is that corresponds to /usr/share/fonts/TTF under Gentoo? /usr/share/fonts/truetype/, maybe? I am having trouble with Flash programs in that they will not list text. For example http://home.arcor.de/leggewie/editor.html will not show any texts for me. |
| 17:44.49 | meriad | asg- thanks. |
| 17:44.52 | mtnman | ekix: first screen discusses cached manpages |
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| 17:44.54 | asg | meriad: you're welcome |
| 17:45.10 | asg | Laibsch: /msg dpkg font guide |
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| 17:45.23 | ekix | mtnman, no change :( |
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| 17:45.54 | mtnman | ekix: did you read the first screen? discussing terminals wider than 80 cols |
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| 17:46.26 | ekix | mtnman, got the MANWIDTH variable set for years to 80 columns, so yes |
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| 17:46.47 | ziom | fbi: i run mxxx it says sound device could not be opend, i run qjackctl with notblocked sounddevice and it says could not connect to jack server as client |
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| 17:47.13 | fbi | ziom: you installed everything that mixxx needs? |
| 17:47.23 | fbi | libsnd* and whatever else |
| 17:47.24 | ziom | just the mixxx |
| 17:47.36 | fbi | start mixxx in a terminal and look for errors |
| 17:47.46 | fbi | i have to go eat lunch i'll be back later |
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| 17:48.15 | Laibsch | asg: Thank you. |
| 17:48.50 | airox | What question is this: Entry '..' in ??? (354375) has deleted/unused inode 354321. Clear<y>? |
| 17:48.53 | mtnman | ekix: did you have man-db and man installes setuid man? |
| 17:48.54 | kokkoo | hi i have problem in dselect doing 'update', i get : o ftp.no.debian.org:80 (158.36.2.10). - connect (113 No route to host) - all internet is ok and running so whats the prob ? |
| 17:49.00 | mtnman | installed |
| 17:49.03 | ekix | mtnman, yes |
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| 17:49.06 | mtnman | both? |
| 17:49.12 | ekix | mtnman, i'll check. |
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| 17:50.57 | ekix | mtnman, -rwsr-xr-x 1 man root 86932 2005-09-21 15:23 man* |
| 17:50.57 | ekix | -rwsr-xr-x 1 man root 96808 2005-09-21 15:23 mandb* |
| 17:51.07 | versuchsanstalt | is it possible to miss entire parts of irc conversation over a weak wlan link? or would that be a lag issue only? |
| 17:51.42 | mtnman | ekix: dunno. is it causing any problem? |
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| 17:51.54 | xoz | kokkoo: have you tried other mirror sites? |
| 17:52.19 | xoz | kokkoo: or some admin firewalled your ftp connection. |
| 17:52.21 | asg | versuchsanstalt: you shouldn't miss them unless you are part of a netsplit |
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| 17:52.30 | ekix | mtnman, only that the man pages are not cached into /var/man hierarchy as they should be? :) |
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| 17:52.55 | ekix | mtnman, if i'll unexport $LANG, the the cached pages appear under /var/cache/man |
| 17:53.00 | mtnman | ekix: is it affecting you reading the manual pages? |
| 17:53.01 | X-Bull | Debian GNU/Linux |
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| 17:53.17 | ekix | mtnman, why do you ask? :) |
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| 17:53.34 | ekix | mtnman, cached pages are nicer because they load faster :) |
| 17:53.41 | kokkoo | xoz : theres no fw, let me try .se and on |
| 17:54.06 | mtnman | ekix: are you running a slow machine? |
| 17:54.22 | versuchsanstalt | asg: i see, thanks |
| 17:54.22 | stew | kokkoo: can you hit that site with a browser? what about with ping? |
| 17:54.32 | selim | puuhis: your config is bloated |
| 17:54.34 | selim | no VirtualHost should have a name as argument |
| 17:54.35 | selim | that just sucks. |
| 17:54.37 | selim | if you want to give it an IP, do it |
| 17:54.38 | ekix | mtnman, unfortunately yes. only an 8-socket 16-way opteron ;-) |
| 17:54.38 | selim | but no name. ever. |
| 17:54.40 | selim | so, fix your script :) |
| 17:54.46 | stew | selim: don't paste in here |
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| 17:54.53 | selim | puuhis: that's someone told me the cause, that my vhost not working |
| 17:55.01 | selim | stew: sorry, |
| 17:55.10 | mtnman | ekix: not familiar |
| 17:55.17 | stjepan | Debian 3.1 Sarge is veeeeeery outdated :((( What do you think of that?? |
| 17:55.35 | X-Bull | What do you want me to think about it |
| 17:55.38 | kokkoo | stew : i cannot get any ping response whatsoever ........ |
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| 17:55.53 | Ronin | wouldnt really call sarge very outdated but if you like bleeding edge sure its outdated |
| 17:55.56 | mtnman | ekix: i think you are worrying about something which should not be a concern |
| 17:55.59 | stew | kokkoo: use traceroute/mtr to see where the disconnect is |
| 17:56.00 | selim | anyone an idea why my vhost vhcs.conf is not working? |
| 17:56.04 | asg | stjepan: it's stable. That's the important part. |
| 17:56.12 | phar0z | yeah |
| 17:56.15 | jojo_halastra | Hello. How can I mount my USB FLASH DISK? I have debian 3.1. |
| 17:56.17 | phar0z | i don't care about bleeding edge |
| 17:56.18 | X-Bull | Ronin are you from Iran ? |
| 17:56.22 | ekix | mtnman, i think that it's still a bug, no? |
| 17:56.22 | asg | jojo_halastra: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 17:56.32 | Ronin | X-Bull: not the last time i looked im not, why? |
| 17:56.34 | mtnman | ekix: dunno. |
| 17:56.40 | ekix | mtnman, i know :) |
| 17:56.48 | dpower | allah allah achbar |
| 17:56.48 | stjepan | asg: but it is veeery outdated and has veeeery old programs. That's also important. Debian is too much stable :) |
| 17:56.50 | ekix | mtnman, but thanks anyway :) |
| 17:56.54 | ziom | btw: do anybody use cinelerra? |
| 17:56.55 | xwolf | doesnt stjepan turn up every now and then and whine about that? |
| 17:57.01 | X-Bull | I have a friend named Ronin from Iran |
| 17:57.11 | kokkoo | stew : well it gets nowhere.. hehe |
| 17:57.14 | asg | stjepan: then go use ubuntu or something else. |
| 17:57.20 | Ronin | X-Bull: ahh nope wrong part of the world, im in canada |
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| 17:57.33 | mirak | linux community never did class actions to sue hardware manufacturer for not giving out specs ? |
| 17:57.46 | Ronin | stjepan: go to ubuntu or mandriva if you want bleeding edge |
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| 17:58.16 | X-Bull | Debian is not the most cutting edge Linux Distro |
| 17:58.22 | mtnman | mirak: easier to patronize linux-friendly manufacturers |
| 17:58.36 | stew | kokkoo: do you require a proxy to hit the web? |
| 17:58.37 | adi_ | mirak, "linux community" has no social status to engage trials .. |
| 17:58.42 | X-Bull | you want user friendly go to Ubuntu or Mandriva |
| 17:58.43 | kokkoo | stew : nope. |
| 17:58.55 | mtnman | x-bull: cutting-edge is not a virtue unto itself |
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| 17:58.57 | abrotman | X-Bull: are you here just to complain ? |
| 17:58.59 | X-Bull | myself I use FreeBSD because it's the way Unix should be done |
| 17:59.01 | asg | mirak: they will give out specs if developers sign NDAs, pay money, not release source code. Developers won't do that and manufacturers are not required to release specs. |
| 17:59.09 | X-Bull | abrotman: no I am giving advice |
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| 17:59.25 | abrotman | not really |
| 17:59.28 | mtnman | x-bull: sounds like trolling from this end |
| 17:59.31 | abrotman | afaict .. he's a troll |
| 17:59.40 | mirak | asg: why aren't they from a legal point of view ? |
| 17:59.41 | ekix | no, he's a bull ;) |
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| 17:59.47 | X-Bull | lol |
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| 17:59.49 | Dreezard | hi everyone |
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| 17:59.57 | mirak | asg: well you probably don't know anyway ^^ |
| 18:00.22 | mirak | adi_: you mean a "high" social status or just a status ? |
| 18:00.30 | derxob | I'm trying to download the iso's to install debian from CD.. I see a total of 14 .. how many do I actually need for the install? |
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| 18:00.47 | abrotman | !d-i derxob |
| 18:00.48 | dpkg | derxob, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:00.50 | Ronin | derxob: just one if you have a decent connection |
| 18:00.51 | X-Bull | derril: you only need two but really the main disk one |
| 18:01.04 | Laibsch | where can I get a comprehensive list of the things that dpkg knows about? |
| 18:01.05 | abrotman | X-Bull: you don't even know what you're talking about .. be quiet |
| 18:01.27 | scx | * hello everyone :) |
| 18:01.28 | adi_ | mirak, i just mean social status , but you are right, i think no judge would account for that |
| 18:01.30 | gozz | if i install wine could i use my windows cpu fan driver? |
| 18:01.35 | stew | derxob: you only need the first, or a netinst, /msg dpkg ig ; /msg dpkg netinst |
| 18:01.35 | X-Bull | abrotman: Why are you jumping all over me |
| 18:01.36 | karnak | ciao |
| 18:01.44 | abrotman | X-Bull: because so far .. you're doing nothing but troll |
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| 18:01.58 | mirak | adi_: isn't that just at the consumer level ? |
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| 18:02.12 | mirak | adi_: I mean isn't there consumer assossiations in the US ? |
| 18:02.17 | Dreezard | I wanted to make a deb package out of some files. I packed them in a tar.gz file and converted them with alien to a deb. And now i want to change the attributes like author and version. Does sb know hot to do that? |
| 18:02.32 | adi_ | mirak, i'm not in the US , but i think there are some yes |
| 18:02.37 | Dreezard | hot=how |
| 18:02.40 | derxob | thanks guys |
| 18:02.41 | adi_ | you must be right |
| 18:02.44 | adi_ | actually (= |
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| 18:02.59 | karnak | posso installare debian con il net-instal avendo una connessione PPPoE? |
| 18:03.08 | abrotman | !it |
| 18:03.08 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:03.14 | adi_ | that's spanish i think |
| 18:03.21 | mtnman | no, italian |
| 18:03.22 | adi_ | sorry italian |
| 18:03.23 | abrotman | adi_: /whois says italian |
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| 18:03.27 | adi_ | totally wrong today :) |
| 18:03.40 | adi_ | those languages are quite similar anyway (= |
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| 18:03.47 | abrotman | adi_: i can't imagine why ... :) |
| 18:03.48 | jjazz | My boss does not like the CLI. Is there a gui for opening gzip and tar files? |
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| 18:03.53 | abrotman | fileroller ? |
| 18:03.59 | abrotman | guitar ? |
| 18:04.06 | abrotman | xterm? :) |
| 18:04.13 | stew | emacs :) |
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| 18:04.17 | jjazz | abrotman, Is it easy to use? Any time he can't do something, I have to do it for him. |
| 18:04.32 | abrotman | jjazz: i have heard fileroller is .. i'm apparently too stupid to install it though |
| 18:04.43 | jjazz | abrotman, Oh, this is gonna be fun. I can tell already. |
| 18:04.49 | stew | jjazz: unp is command line but makes it as easy as possible |
| 18:04.50 | abrotman | jjazz: it's packaged |
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| 18:04.50 | versuchsanstalt | jjazz: ark is a kde gui for archivers |
| 18:05.00 | abrotman | !info fileroller sarge |
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| 18:05.05 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 18:05.08 | jjazz | ok. I'll start with fileroller and see how it goes. Thanks. |
| 18:05.21 | abrotman | it's not in sarge? |
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| 18:05.32 | abrotman | !info file-roller sarge |
| 18:05.35 | dpkg | file-roller: (an archive manager for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 1066 kB, Installed size: 4316 kB |
| 18:05.46 | jojo_halastra | How can I see all the subject dpkg has knowladge on? |
| 18:05.52 | abrotman | !your factoids |
| 18:05.52 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
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| 18:06.07 | jojo_halastra | wow thanks :) |
| 18:06.11 | mtnman | !mtnman |
| 18:06.11 | dpkg | mtnman lives at 9600 feet above sea-level. |
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| 18:07.39 | stew | i think the real rain is finally coming to wash all the scum off the streets |
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| 18:08.30 | jojo_halastra | hmm.. it says my device is busy and that i can't umount it.. how can I check who makes it busy and stop him? |
| 18:08.35 | goccia | i love the rain here comes ... |
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| 18:08.49 | jjazz | stew, ok, Travis, you keep mumbling to yourself. The rest of us will back away slowly. |
| 18:08.51 | nkuttler | jojo_halastra: lsof |
| 18:09.02 | stew | hehe |
| 18:09.10 | stew | jjazz: you talking to me? |
| 18:09.22 | jojo_halastra | lsof? - command not found.. |
| 18:09.23 | jjazz | stew, Yes. I thought that was a Travis Bickle reference. |
| 18:09.37 | fridge_ | Is there a central resource for looking up GPG keys that are used in debian? |
| 18:09.43 | stew | jjazz: (and that was a Travis quote, when he was rehearsing with his guns) |
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| 18:09.57 | piaf_ | nvtv -t |
| 18:10.00 | jjazz | stew, Oh, right. Sorry. D'oh! |
| 18:10.03 | stew | :) |
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| 18:10.11 | stew | fridge_: apt-get install debian-keyring |
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| 18:10.33 | pder | is it safe to dist-upgrade sid due to the g++ transition? |
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| 18:11.05 | jojo_halastra | Is it stable to upgrade to kernel 2.6 from debian 3.1 (2.4 kernel)? |
| 18:11.09 | stew | pder: if you are on etch, you have already transitioned, but dist-upgrading to sid should never be considered "safe" |
| 18:11.12 | shining | whats the difference between the linux-tree and linux-source packages? |
| 18:11.42 | stew | jojo_halastra: yes, just don't go and do something silly like uninstall the 2.4 kernel before you know the 2.6 works |
| 18:11.44 | shining | and btw, dpkg asked me to install kernel-source-$(uname -r), which doesnt exist |
| 18:11.53 | pder | stew: i never installed etch. my concern is that dist-upgrading wants to remove various dev libraries that are not replaced |
| 18:12.10 | jojo_halastra | stew: so to do it by dist-upgrade ? |
| 18:12.20 | stew | jojo_halastra: what cpu do you have? |
| 18:12.25 | Knorrie | shining: yes, they're now called linux-* |
| 18:12.25 | fridge_ | stew: thank you |
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| 18:12.47 | Knorrie | shining: linux-tree = linux-source + linux-patches |
| 18:12.58 | jojo_halastra | stew: 3.0 64bit intel pentium 4 |
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| 18:13.20 | peppo | I'm trying to investigate if the Debian kernel I use (2.6.10-1-k7) has the QoS traffic shaping/scheduler options compiled-in by default or if I have to modprobe them myself? |
| 18:13.22 | jonz | hi - anyone know how to install grub on a stripe? i keep getting /dev/mapper/stripe-stripe does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. I tried it with /dev/sda too |
| 18:13.22 | stew | jojo_halastra: 3.0 is woody, aka oldstable |
| 18:13.30 | shining | Knorrie: hmm ? |
| 18:13.42 | stew | jojo_halastra: you should first dist-upgrade to stable, aka sarge, then you can apt-get a new kernel |
| 18:13.51 | shining | Knorrie: its written than linux-source has debian patches |
| 18:13.57 | jojo_halastra | stew: I ment 3.0 (giga hertz).. i have 3.1 debian srage |
| 18:14.03 | shining | Knorrie: and linux-tree is for building debian kernel images |
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| 18:14.26 | jojo_halastra | stew: so apt-get on the kernel 2.6 images? |
| 18:14.30 | klarakarl | Can anyone tell me how software raid is build in standard initrd I cannot find it |
| 18:14.31 | klarakarl | My problem is that I am trying to boot 2.6.13 from evms And my initrd creates raid of /dev/hd[a-z] instead of dm-10[1] ...... After that evms_activate is anable to detect anything |
| 18:14.41 | stew | jojo_halastra: you should be able to just apt-get install a new kenrel then, apt-cache search kenrel-image ; i'm unfamiliar with 64 bit issues though, you may wanna check in with #debian-amd64 |
| 18:14.54 | Knorrie | shining: I got my knowlegde from here: http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/linux-tree-2.6.12 |
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| 18:15.25 | Knorrie | shining: linux-source-2.6.12 & linux-patch-debian-2.6.12 |
| 18:15.36 | Knorrie | shining: it's a so called meta-package |
| 18:15.55 | jojo_halastra | stew: I prefer not to use the 64 option.. so i need only the image file ? ( i don't want to compile.. alloguh i may need since i have an nvidia card) |
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| 18:16.24 | stew | jojo_halastra: in that case apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 kernel-headers-2.6-k7 |
| 18:16.41 | jojo_halastra | stew: Okie :) .. so thank you very much :) |
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| 18:16.57 | stew | jojo_halastra: then after you reboot /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 18:17.07 | shining | Knorrie: yes but see the Other Packages Related to linux-tree-2.6.12 section |
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| 18:17.23 | jojo_halastra | stew: yteah, i just hope the new kernel image wont screw the system... |
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| 18:17.33 | shining | Knorrie: linux-source = Linux kernel source for version 2.6.12 with Debian patches |
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| 18:17.40 | stew | jojo_halastra: i wouldn't expect it to, do you use grub? |
| 18:17.49 | jojo_halastra | stew: yes |
| 18:17.49 | Knorrie | shining: *ugh* im sorry |
| 18:17.53 | shining | so linux-source + linux-patch-debian doesnt make much sense to me |
| 18:17.54 | stew | jojo_halastra: it'll be fine |
| 18:18.08 | jojo_halastra | stew: ok :).. thanks.. I'll try it out.. |
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| 18:18.24 | kokkoo | how can i list routing table to check if everything is ok on my server? |
| 18:18.41 | abrotman | route -n ? |
| 18:18.52 | Le_Vert2 | hi |
| 18:18.54 | stew | or "ip route" |
| 18:18.54 | pder | why the hell does dist-upgrading sid want to remove gnome-office? |
| 18:19.01 | wm3t | route -n will show interfaces and default route |
| 18:19.12 | Le_Vert2 | can you help me to change konqueror theme under gnome ? |
| 18:19.13 | abrotman | i think that's what he wants .. no ? |
| 18:19.29 | Le_Vert2 | which packages should i install to get a gui software for this? |
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| 18:20.07 | nkuttler | pder: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 18:20.10 | sbalneav | Afternoom all. I'm having a problem re: bug 333469. Basically, nautilus craps out on any fuse mounted filesystem (including the Debian supplied sshfs), whereas konq, gentoo, or other file managers do not. I suspect it's a problem in the interaction between gnomevfs and fuse. Does anyone know of a "Gnome VFS test suite" that I could run to help narrow doen the problem? |
| 18:20.48 | stew | sbalneav: craps out, like hangs or like crashes? |
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| 18:21.07 | spr1n | how would I install linux-headers if i cannot find (apt-cache search) any "headers" exept linux-kernel-headers that I alraedy have? |
| 18:21.28 | djtravtrav | what is a video bus identifier? |
| 18:21.33 | secher_ | have another question: on my firewall/gateway, sshd is running, the port is open, and yet I cannot ssh to either the internal IP or the external IP. what am I overlooking? |
| 18:21.34 | pder | nkuttler: i already read that |
| 18:21.55 | pder | nkuttler: my question is why is dist-upgrading trying to remove gnome-office |
| 18:21.58 | sbalneav | stew, the fuse mount point appears in a nautilus window, you double click on the folder to open up a new folder view, the window pops up for a fraction of a second and then closes, and the folder then disappears from the original view! :) |
| 18:22.14 | wm3t | secher_ > do you get any errors? |
| 18:22.25 | nkuttler | pder: and you think that i will check the dependencies and tell you? |
| 18:22.25 | dbw | how can i change which modules ALSA loads on boot? |
| 18:22.40 | secher_ | wm3t: nope, just sits and sits with no login.. does not even time out. |
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| 18:23.14 | wm3t | do you have a way to dump traffic on the ssh server? |
| 18:23.17 | pder | nkuttler: i demand that you do |
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| 18:23.23 | kokkoo | abrotman : is UG the standard gw ? |
| 18:23.34 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 18:23.51 | secher_ | as in run ethereal and grab packets? |
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| 18:23.58 | wm3t | right. |
| 18:24.07 | Gnea | !tell pder about ask |
| 18:24.08 | skiflyer | I changed my /etc/network/interfaces line from inet dhcp to inet static address 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 a while ago because I wanted my server to be on a fixed address, but today I just went to do an apt-get update and found that while it works fine on my LAN it's lost internet connectivity (through a linksys router) this way... are there more settings I need to put in on the... |
| 18:24.09 | skiflyer | ...server that I forgot about? |
| 18:24.11 | skiflyer | gateawy maybe? |
| 18:24.18 | Gnea | !tell pder about rules |
| 18:24.28 | dbw | anybody know a lot about alsa and udev and such? |
| 18:24.28 | bob_123 | hi there, i just installed debian (noob) and after finishing everything up there is no X window system or gnome or anything, just a commandline :| is it supposed to be like this? |
| 18:24.33 | nkuttler | pder: a smarter question would be how to avoid the removal |
| 18:24.33 | Mortis_pl | Look at http://www.muzyka.oz.pl It's the best site about Debian |
| 18:24.37 | abrotman | Gnea: he's a known troll |
| 18:24.42 | Gnea | abrotman: oh ok. |
| 18:24.43 | pder | nkuttler: btw that was a joke |
| 18:24.44 | dbw | bob_123: apt-get install gnome |
| 18:24.50 | abrotman | Gnea: greycat used to kick him at least once a week |
| 18:24.50 | nkuttler | pder: yeah, it made me smile |
| 18:25.03 | secher_ | wm3t: give me a minute, I have to go upstaris and start ethereal from the console. |
| 18:25.04 | Gnea | yeah i was gonna say, we don't bow to demands :) |
| 18:25.06 | skiflyer | bob_123: Supposed to depends ont he choices you made during install... now that it's not there, apt-get install gnome |
| 18:25.12 | bob_123 | dbw: but isnt is suppose to download that stuff by default? im afraid i did a server install by mistake |
| 18:25.25 | stew | spr1n: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:25.32 | abrotman | kokkoo: yes |
| 18:25.35 | dbw | bob_123: :) don't worry, it's easy to install a desktop... literally one command... "apt-get install gnome" |
| 18:25.37 | bob_123 | so you guys think i mst have chosen like a server install instead of a desktop install? then i gotta redo the whole thin :| |
| 18:25.40 | dbw | if you already have it, it'll complain |
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| 18:25.45 | abrotman | kokkoo: iirc anyways .. it's called Default Gateway |
| 18:26.09 | bob_123 | dbw: but then if i did a server install it will have all kindsa weird things installe donmy computer like apache and sql and ... :( |
| 18:26.09 | skiflyer | bob_123: Not necessarily, you probably just didn't choose a "graphical desktop" during the install process, a server vs. desktop won't be that different anyway |
| 18:26.09 | dbw | bob_123: there's no difference between server and desktop except desktop installs less. |
| 18:26.22 | spr1n | stew: 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 18:26.24 | kokkoo | abrotman : how can i chance that appropiatly.. |
| 18:26.26 | dbw | bob_123: apt-get remove apache apache2 mysql |
| 18:26.28 | skiflyer | bob_123: Not all sorts, and if you don't want them, apt-get remove apache, etc. |
| 18:26.37 | abrotman | kokkoo: route add default gw <ip> |
| 18:26.37 | Gnea | i must be braindead today |
| 18:26.44 | abrotman | kokkoo: or /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 18:26.44 | dbw | so... can anyone help me with alsa? |
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| 18:26.49 | abrotman | Gnea: heat is baking your brain! |
| 18:26.58 | Gnea | abrotman: it probably is :/ |
| 18:27.04 | bob_123 | thanks guys :) its my first time here, debian people arnt as scary as i thoguth , haha, thanks you |
| 18:27.10 | reppel | hi! cannot get X to start via startx... any known problems? |
| 18:27.13 | Gnea | some_command() { something_that_produces_output; } |
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| 18:27.25 | Gnea | if [ some_command == "something" ]; then .... fi |
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| 18:27.33 | Gnea | and it's not working right... |
| 18:27.38 | mtnman | reppel: an error message is helpful |
| 18:27.58 | Gnea | well, it's working, but it's working the opposite |
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| 18:28.03 | reppel | mtnman: xinit: connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server |
| 18:28.12 | reppel | mtnman: it happens from last dist-upgrade |
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| 18:28.42 | mtnman | reppel: running locally? as user or root? |
| 18:28.55 | reppel | mtnman: local user |
| 18:28.59 | dbw | what's a script that always runs at boot that i can edit? |
| 18:29.03 | Gnea | -bash: [: =~: binary operator expected |
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| 18:29.06 | mtnman | reppel: stable,testing. or unstable |
| 18:29.09 | reppel | mtnman: unstable |
| 18:29.15 | dbw | (i know i COULD edit any script, but preferably one that won't blow stuff up) |
| 18:29.23 | mtnman | reppel: checked bugs.debian.org? |
| 18:29.27 | skiflyer | dbw: I probably can't, but I'm willing to try as I've worked through a handful of alsa problems... what's going on? |
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| 18:29.37 | reppel | mtnman: dont know what package to check for.. |
| 18:29.43 | Gnea | dbw: they're usually kept in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 18:29.48 | abrotman | dbw: there isn't one |
| 18:29.53 | cal | how do i control what partitions are mounted at boot? |
| 18:30.01 | abrotman | dbw: /etc/init.d/README and update-rc.d |
| 18:30.05 | shining | can I use gnome network configuration tool, or does debian provide tool for it, or is it better to edit a config file? |
| 18:30.06 | abrotman | cal: /etc/fstab |
| 18:30.14 | dbw | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:30.18 | mtnman | reppel: well, you are unable to startx, so thould be a good place to start. |
| 18:30.21 | abrotman | shining: for what ? |
| 18:30.22 | cal | thanks abrotman |
| 18:30.28 | shining | abrotman: configuring network |
| 18:30.30 | pumpkin0 | anybody knows a channel for unionfs-questions ? |
| 18:30.33 | dbw | skiflyer: for some reason my sound card doesn't work on boot... |
| 18:30.34 | abrotman | !tell shining about interfaces |
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| 18:30.43 | dbw | skiflyer: i have to modprobe snd_intel8x0 |
| 18:30.51 | dbw | skiflyer: even though it's already installed! |
| 18:30.54 | skiflyer | dbw: And then it works? |
| 18:30.54 | abrotman | shining: there probably is a tool in gnome .. but i don't konw what it is :) . maybe try etherconf too |
| 18:30.56 | dbw | s/installed/loaded |
| 18:30.58 | dbw | skiflyer: yes |
| 18:31.02 | mtnman | dbw: add the module to /etc/modules |
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| 18:31.10 | skiflyer | dbw: Yep, I was right, I don't know, looks like mtnman does though |
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| 18:31.12 | versuchsanstalt | shining: read man interfaces, it's pretty straight forward |
| 18:31.15 | mtnman | dbw: or run modconf |
| 18:31.30 | dbw | mtnman: i tried that.... i think the problem is that it loads other modules later that confuse alsa |
| 18:31.34 | shining | so it means its better to edit the config file |
| 18:31.36 | jack-black | anyone know of a good and easy to use anti spam for thunderbird? |
| 18:31.41 | dbw | modconf.... thanks |
| 18:31.53 | dbw | /bin/sh: modconf: command not found |
| 18:31.53 | abrotman | jack-black: not one built in? |
| 18:31.57 | spr1n | how would I install linux-headers if i cannot find (apt-cache search) any "headers" exept linux-kernel-headers that I alraedy have? 2.6.12-1-386, unstable |
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| 18:32.00 | abrotman | dbw: be root |
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| 18:32.03 | fbi | dbw: make sure there aren't any OSS modules conflicting with ALSA |
| 18:32.07 | dbw | i am root. |
| 18:32.14 | jojo_halastra | Hmm.. I've installed allready the NVIDIA driver .. and now I heard from dpkg that I did it the worng way ( by the nvidia installer).. what can i do? |
| 18:32.16 | abrotman | apt-get install modconf then |
| 18:32.20 | mtnman | dbw: what fbi said |
| 18:32.24 | abrotman | dbw: are you running debian or ubuntu ? |
| 18:32.28 | dbw | debian |
| 18:32.28 | pettern__ | hi im having some problems with crontab in debian. is "crontab -u root -e" the right way to edit crontab |
| 18:32.30 | jack-black | abrotman, not that i am aware of.... or works poorly |
| 18:32.32 | skiflyer | If I'm switching from a linksys router to dnsmasq as my DHCP server, am I going to run into any big gotchyas right off the bat? I don't want to lose my internet connectivity and be stuck. |
| 18:32.40 | dbw | snd_pcm_oss is loaded... |
| 18:32.40 | Gnea | dbw: apt-get install modconf |
| 18:32.47 | ziom | fbi: mixxx no error on bash but an error window: could not load sound device |
| 18:32.48 | abrotman | jack-black: i'd go ask on irc.mozilla.org .. they should have a channel for thunderbird |
| 18:32.49 | dbw | Gnea: oh :-P /me smacks self |
| 18:33.03 | fbi | ziom: are you starting mixxx with the jack option? |
| 18:33.10 | skiflyer | Gnea: (See I'm finally loading dnsmasq like you suggested on monday ;)) |
| 18:33.12 | ziom | no^^ |
| 18:33.19 | jack-black | ok, thanks abrotman |
| 18:33.46 | ziom | fbi: mixxx -d jack? |
| 18:33.47 | fbi | ziom: start the jack server, and start mixxx with jack enabled |
| 18:34.03 | versuchsanstalt | shining: learning how to edit the config file /etc/network/interfaces will give you a better understanding and empower you to choose your favourite config program ;-) |
| 18:34.04 | fbi | ziom: it told you how when you installed mixxx, hang on |
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| 18:34.29 | Gnea | skiflyer: perhaps you should /nick skimule ;) |
| 18:34.37 | ziom | fbi: qjackctl does not run jack sercer... i click play and it says could not connect to jack server as client... |
| 18:34.54 | dbw | Gnea: will modconf prevent the module from loading next time i boot? |
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| 18:34.59 | fbi | ziom: you start the jack server first with 'jackd -d alsa' |
| 18:35.03 | fbi | then you start qjackctl |
| 18:35.06 | Gnea | dbw: i doubt it |
| 18:35.15 | shining | versuchsanstalt: I already did it more than one time. but the problem with debian is that I never know what to use. |
| 18:35.18 | fbi | brb reading about it |
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| 18:35.39 | cockslap | what file do i set ip settings in? |
| 18:35.55 | dbw | Gnea: ..... then how do i prevent a module from loading? |
| 18:36.10 | shining | versuchsanstalt: in some distribs (the one I prefer), everything is done with a text editor, in other (the ones I don't really like), everything (or nearly) is done by gui |
| 18:36.19 | spr1n | ehh nobody will help me =( |
| 18:36.34 | versuchsanstalt | shining: what's the situation then? are you connected to a lan or do you want to configure dialup? |
| 18:36.48 | ziom | fbi: i run jackd -d alsa as root then i start qjackctl as root and click play and the same |
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| 18:36.56 | shining | versuchsanstalt: hmm I was talking about a more general problem |
| 18:37.00 | dbw | spr1n: i think that package points to the one you need. |
| 18:37.17 | fbi | ziom: you don't have to be root to start a jack server |
| 18:37.23 | ziom | ok |
| 18:37.29 | fbi | ziom: start mixxx like this |
| 18:37.34 | fbi | mixxx-with-jack |
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| 18:38.03 | spr1n | dbw: how do I get to know this? |
| 18:38.23 | shining | versuchsanstalt: though I was wondering how to only use one interface by default (I've eth0 for ethernet, and eth1 for wifi). I want to be sure it stays in the same order, and only set up wifi automatically at boot |
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| 18:38.29 | dli_ | can I tar to a remote file via ssh? I don't have enough local space |
| 18:38.38 | alundra | hello |
| 18:38.48 | ziom | fbi: mixxx-with-jack command not found |
| 18:39.08 | fbi | ziom: ? what version of mixxx did you compile? |
| 18:39.09 | caphuso | dli_: yes. let tar dump the resulting file to standard out and pipe that into ssh |
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| 18:39.23 | fbi | Start Mixxx by writing mixxx at the command prompt. If you have the Jack sound server installed you can start Mixxx with mixxx-with-jack |
| 18:39.40 | dli_ | caphuso: great, give me one example cmdline? |
| 18:39.40 | cockslap | on default install will debian not just read /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 18:40.00 | cockslap | because my network doesnt work unless i use ifconfig |
| 18:40.02 | abrotman | yes .. it does |
| 18:40.05 | fbi | cockslap: it dodes |
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| 18:40.07 | secher_ | wm3t: Kk.. I'm here, ethereal is started and I grabbed the ssh packets. There are only SYN, no ACK returning to the client. |
| 18:40.07 | abrotman | cockslap: laptop ? |
| 18:40.10 | fbi | s/dodes/does/ |
| 18:40.11 | cockslap | nope |
| 18:40.19 | caphuso | dli_: - as filename means stdout. that's all you need to know |
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| 18:40.26 | abrotman | cockslap: have you tried /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
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| 18:40.33 | dli_ | caphuso: caphuso thanks |
| 18:40.35 | caphuso | dli_: (or stdin, when you're reading) |
| 18:40.42 | ziom | fbi: 1.4.2-1, but the jack soound server system does not go... |
| 18:40.50 | cockslap | abrotman im in remote |
| 18:40.53 | cockslap | could that jack shit up ? |
| 18:41.02 | cockslap | coz i wont be able to go to the physical location am |
| 18:41.03 | cockslap | atm |
| 18:41.08 | fbi | ziom: i don't know what to tell you, it works fine for me here |
| 18:41.09 | cockslap | and i rebooted earlier today |
| 18:41.11 | Gnea | dbw: well that depends what's loading it |
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| 18:41.16 | cockslap | and after reboot i couldnt connect to it from remote |
| 18:41.22 | WildKeeper | Hi, does anyone know if i can install debian 3.1 without any problems on an AMD64 with Serial ATA and PCI express ?? |
| 18:41.26 | fbi | ziom: i can rum mixxx with or without jack and it runs perfect |
| 18:41.29 | abrotman | cockslap: sure .. why not |
| 18:41.31 | fbi | s/rum/run/ |
| 18:41.37 | wm3t | secher > Sounds like the ssh packets are getting dumped. |
| 18:41.39 | ziom | fbi; i have no jackd in my /etc/init.d/ do you? |
| 18:41.43 | valdyn | WildKeeper: depends on your SATA chipset |
| 18:41.48 | jojo_halastra | Hmm.. I'm using apt to get kernel-image 2.6-18 and i need the source.. in apt i can find only kernel-source 2.6.8 .. is it OK to use it? |
| 18:41.50 | Gnea | dbw: if it's not modutils then it's probably discover or hotplug |
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| 18:41.55 | fbi | ziom: jackd does not start at boot, so no |
| 18:42.09 | dli_ | caphuso: tar jcf - folder |scp - dli@server ? |
| 18:42.16 | cockslap | PROXiMA:/etc/network# /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:42.17 | cockslap | Setting up IP spoofing protection: rp_filter. |
| 18:42.17 | cockslap | Reconfiguring network interfaces...ifup: interface lo already configured |
| 18:42.17 | cockslap | done. |
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| 18:42.20 | fbi | ziom: if you want jack to start when you start an X session you can add the command to ~/.xsession |
| 18:42.22 | valdyn | jojo_halastra: why would you need the source? |
| 18:42.29 | cockslap | it says already configured |
| 18:42.30 | dbw | Gnea: i've figured something out.... the driver that kills my sound driver is the modem driver! |
| 18:42.32 | caphuso | dli_: did i say "pipe into scp"? |
| 18:42.33 | secher_ | wm3t: could the firewall be dumping packets from internal to internal interfaces? |
| 18:42.35 | ziom | fbi: or .bashrc |
| 18:42.39 | jojo_halastra | valdyn: I need it for nvidia card |
| 18:42.39 | cockslap | but thats due to my ifconfig no? |
| 18:42.41 | dbw | Gnea: i never use the goddamn modem.... |
| 18:42.46 | valdyn | jojo_halastra: you dont need it for nvidia card |
| 18:42.46 | dli_ | caphuso: you said ssh . confusing :( |
| 18:43.00 | valdyn | jojo_halastra: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:43.02 | wm3t | it could be in the routing. no default route defined |
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| 18:43.06 | fbi | ziom: that will start jack when you login, i prefer to start it with X |
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| 18:43.21 | valdyn | jojo_halastra: beside that, using nvidias installer is not recommended ( /msg dpkg nvidia ) |
| 18:43.33 | secher_ | wm3t: how do I check? |
| 18:43.35 | ziom | fbi: but the problem is i run jackd -d alsa no errors then i run qjackctl (in setup alsa and hd:0,1) and when i click the play button it says it could not conncet |
| 18:43.42 | wm3t | can you ping something on the web? |
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| 18:43.46 | Horde | tasksel, beggingin debian, help |
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| 18:43.50 | wm3t | or you could do a route -n |
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| 18:43.56 | fbi | ziom: you have something else going on then |
| 18:44.14 | ziom | fbi: i installed alsa via alsaconf |
| 18:44.27 | fbi | ziom: you mean you configured alsa with alsaconf |
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| 18:44.40 | joey_ | hello...has someone here already working japanese input installed? |
| 18:44.41 | ziom | fbi: the sound device on hd0,1 works but only for one tool |
| 18:44.48 | ziom | fbi: yes |
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| 18:45.08 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 18:45.09 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 18:45.09 | Horde | uhhh what do i type after tasksel in the prompt? |
| 18:45.14 | wm3t | secher > you could accept all traffic on the internal interface |
| 18:45.15 | valdyn | ziom: why do you even want to use jackd? |
| 18:45.15 | jojo_halastra | valdyn: haa.. ok.. and if i'd like to compile my kernel.. which source i'll need? |
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| 18:45.36 | valdyn | jojo_halastra: the one you found found |
| 18:45.40 | valdyn | jojo_halastra: the one you found |
| 18:45.55 | ziom | valdyn: i want play sound in more than one prog |
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| 18:46.11 | valdyn | ziom: see what dpkg said, using jack for that isnt really a good idea |
| 18:46.14 | ziom | valdyn: i have dbmix but it has only support for xmms |
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| 18:46.15 | jojo_halastra | valdyn: the 2.6.8 will be enough? |
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| 18:46.30 | versuchsanstalt | ziom: the jackd started from the command line, do you happen to keep it running and then try to start another jackd using qjackctl? |
| 18:46.40 | jojo_halastra | valdyn: even i use 2.6.8-11-smp |
| 18:46.54 | funkyHat | if i install distcc, and i tell it not to run as a daemon, does that mean it runs from inetd? or do i have to set that up? |
| 18:46.58 | Gnea | dbw: hahaha |
| 18:47.05 | ziom | veruchsanstalt: yes |
| 18:47.05 | Gnea | dbw: i've seen that happen before :) |
| 18:47.07 | valdyn | jojo_halastra: the kernel source is unconfigured, its the same for smp or whatever cpu |
| 18:47.14 | oreman | teste |
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| 18:47.25 | oreman | teste1 |
| 18:47.29 | fbi | qjackctl does not start a new instance of jackd. |
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| 18:47.33 | Gnea | dbw: i either blacklist it or disable the modem in the bios |
| 18:47.36 | valdyn | jojo_halastra: once you are using your current /boot/config with that source its 'your kernel' that you would compile |
| 18:47.43 | shining | m-a is amazing. it makes installing as module as easy as in other distrib |
| 18:47.49 | Horde | uhhh what do i type after tasksel in the prompt? logging on the first time... |
| 18:47.55 | secher_ | wm3t: yes, easily. let me lay out to you the netography. firewall/gateway -> dumb hub => wifi router & misc hardline connections wireless -> wireless laptop. I"m try9ing to ssh from the laptop to the gateway with no luck. I"d think it was the router, but there are no returning packets, as ethereal showed me. does that help at all? |
| 18:47.55 | HelmutG | Hi. Is there a terminal emulator being able to display antialiased fonts? |
| 18:47.58 | shining | external kernel modules I meant |
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| 18:48.01 | ziom | maybe i should try the oss-demon? |
| 18:48.02 | jojo_halastra | valdyn: now I got.. :) .. thanks :) |
| 18:48.07 | dbw | Gnea: how do i "blacklist" it ? |
| 18:48.17 | dbw | Gnea: (sorry for all the questions, thanks for your help!) |
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| 18:48.20 | HelmutG | Or can I somehow make xterm use antialiased fonts? |
| 18:48.20 | ziom | or ecosound? |
| 18:48.21 | versuchsanstalt | ziom: try qjackctl alone, without a jackd running. start jackd from there. |
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| 18:48.35 | Evaso | anybody know what is this problem /usr/bin/mkisofs: Connection reset by peer. cannot fwrite 32768*1 ? |
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| 18:48.47 | valdyn | ziom: that is nonsense ( that dmix onyl works with xmms ), jackd however isnt supported by many applications |
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| 18:49.43 | Frenchwood | Evenig all. |
| 18:49.47 | abrotman | Horde: get it figured out ? |
| 18:49.49 | Frenchwood | **evening |
| 18:49.57 | versuchsanstalt | ziom: use jackd if you want to record music, use audio production software and such. Maybe better use the sound daemon of your desktop environment. |
| 18:49.57 | wm3t | secher > what does the command iptables -nL give? |
| 18:50.07 | fbi | valdyn: the dj mixer app he is trying to use is meant to work with jack |
| 18:50.12 | FliesLikeABrick | i'm encountering a pretty bad issue with configuring vsftpd behind a firewall, but proftpd worked fine. when I connect to it, clients apparently don't know that they're passive, so they tell the server their local IP. any ideas how the server effects this? |
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| 18:50.17 | versuchsanstalt | ziom: what desktop environment or window manager are you using? |
| 18:50.17 | fbi | i don't know what he is talking about with xmms |
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| 18:50.52 | ziom | fbi: xmms is a player :) |
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| 18:51.06 | fbi | ziom: i know what it is, but i don't know why you are mentioning it |
| 18:51.25 | fbi | mixxx has nothing to do with xmms |
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| 18:51.27 | secher_ | mw3t: wow, how much do you want? |
| 18:51.28 | versuchsanstalt | ziom: have you tried with qjackctl alone? |
| 18:51.35 | tyranix | Hi, what's the best way to delete files from a package? I'm making changes to a package and when I try to remove the *.prerm and *.postinst from the original, they still wind up in the new package. |
| 18:51.37 | ziom | fbi: with dmix you can run more of this xmms and record them |
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| 18:51.50 | ziom | fbi: its easy for mixing |
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| 18:51.54 | wm3t | can you copy it to a file and send it to me? that will give me the chance to look at |
| 18:51.57 | Gnea | dbw: how is it getting loaded? with discover? |
| 18:51.58 | WildKeeper | Hi, does anyone know which SATA chip should i have to make debian run without problems ? |
| 18:52.00 | secher_ | mw3t: there are pages... |
| 18:52.03 | fbi | ziom: then why not just use xmms? |
| 18:52.09 | secher_ | mw3t: sure.. |
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| 18:52.30 | dbw | Gnea: i'm not really sure... i'd suspect so. the other likely suspect is hotplug |
| 18:52.44 | ziom | fbi: because i need also to do samples put effects... |
| 18:52.47 | Gnea | dbw: well ps and see which one is installed and running |
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| 18:53.06 | abrotman | WildKeeper: there are a lot that work fine .. it's easier to ask us about a particular one |
| 18:53.09 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 18:53.09 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 18:53.10 | Gnea | dbw: ps axf |
| 18:53.18 | tyranix | Is there a debian packaging specific channel? |
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| 18:53.32 | ziom | #debian |
| 18:53.32 | Laibsch | I am following http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt to set up my font system as suggested by dpkg. Towards the end, the document says I should configure /etc/fonts/local.conf. That file is not on my system. Is that a problem and where do I get it? |
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| 18:53.43 | dbw | Gnea: none of the above... it's udev |
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| 18:54.04 | Gnea | heh |
| 18:54.04 | abrotman | what's the matter .. System font not good enough?!? |
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| 18:54.21 | secher_ | Umm.. stupid questionof the day, how do I DCC? |
| 18:54.27 | Laibsch | abrotman: I have trouble displaying fonts in Flash. |
| 18:54.31 | dbw | secher_: /help dcc |
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| 18:54.59 | secher | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.04 | fbi | ziom: i don't know then, i use jack + qjackctl to control what channels my mixing app uses for output and that doesn't really sound like what you are looking for |
| 18:55.07 | tyranix | hmm okay. I'm trying to remove a file from a package and dpkg-source says it ignores the deletion (and I checked with dpkg -e). Is there a way to tell it to really delete the file? |
| 18:55.08 | dbw | without the space, mate ;) |
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| 18:55.54 | WildKeeper | abrotman: i am thinking on buying a new computer, and i was wondering on an ASUS or maybe Gigabyte motherboard, would i get any problems with the SATA ? |
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| 18:57.02 | fbi | suicidal: what's with all the nick changes? |
| 18:57.07 | ziom | fbi: i just want a small home recoring studio ^^ but its nasty with having only one application at a time using the soundcard, therefore are deamons |
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| 18:57.30 | ziom | fbi: i even want kde sounds... |
| 18:57.40 | fbi | ziom: you could always run dual soundcards |
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| 18:57.58 | ziom | fbi: i have only one onboard:( |
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| 18:58.08 | Angel_ | hi |
| 18:58.09 | Angel_ | i installed windows after debian and now how can i restore the grub booting from the debian boot cd? |
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| 18:58.14 | fbi | ziom: pci soundcards are pretty cheap |
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| 18:58.49 | wm3t | Angel_ take a look at http://www.wm3t.com/wordpress that is how I repaired grub |
| 18:58.58 | ziom | fbi: but do i have listen from more boxes^^? |
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| 18:59.16 | fbi | ziom: more boxes? |
| 18:59.23 | ziom | more sound boxes |
| 18:59.38 | fbi | ziom: i'm still not following you |
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| 18:59.50 | ziom | fbi: when i but an extra pci i must put some output for it |
| 18:59.51 | Mindship-03 | HELP: I started with Linux a year ago, I never used anything else than Debian, I love almost every bit of it. But it has taken of my spare time three times the last two months... I am tending to move towards Arch: stop me! |
| 18:59.57 | Mortis_pl | change lilo or something Angel_ |
| 18:59.57 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I have only one disk and only root partition on my system. Is it possible to create a complete backup archive of the drive using `tar`? If yes, then what parameters should I use? |
| 18:59.58 | skiflyer | ok I have dnsmasq running as a dhcp server too, and I thought it was working but when I do an ipconfig /renew on my windows box, it says it can't find the dhcp server... any advice? This is all going through a linksys wireless router |
| 18:59.59 | ziom | fbi: to listen from it |
| 19:00.10 | ziom | fbi: how do i listen then from pci and onboard? |
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| 19:00.42 | fbi | ziom: i don't use on-board sound, i've only run two of the exact same pci cards |
| 19:00.48 | Mortis_pl | Look at http://www.muzyka.oz.pl |
| 19:00.49 | fbi | brb i have to take a call |
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| 19:01.20 | ziom | fbi: how can you listen from both? |
| 19:01.35 | serenity07 | Angel_: build a grub boot floppy and fix it |
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| 19:02.52 | fbi | ziom: in the mixxx options you can assign left/right channels to /dev/dsp whatever and achieve true dual channel mixing |
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| 19:03.07 | secher | wm3t: be back in 30 seconds.. |
| 19:03.08 | fbi | i have to go pick up my chick, back later |
| 19:03.20 | skiflyer | Everything I'm reading about dnsmasq suggest this should just be working, is it the wireless part that's confusing hte computers? |
| 19:03.44 | rndr | hi, i have a question : I downloaded a update file for my video card, but how do install it ? [ debian sarge at the root] |
| 19:04.15 | dpower | check out the read me |
| 19:04.20 | pumpkin0 | hid3: boot using a knoppix cd and try backuping up then. |
| 19:04.26 | secher | back |
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| 19:04.33 | Laibsch | I am following http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt to set up my fonts as suggested by dpkg. Towards the end, the document says I should configure /etc/fonts/local.conf. That file is not on my system. Is that a problem and where do I get it? Should it rather read /var/lib/fontconfig/local.conf. That is a 0-byte file on my system. |
| 19:04.47 | pumpkin0 | rndr: what card is it ? what's the name of the file ` |
| 19:04.57 | Angel_ | ok i will boot with knoppix to try fix the grub |
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| 19:05.18 | wm3t | secher > run the command >>iptables -a input --protocol tcp --dport 22 -j accept<< |
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| 19:05.36 | wm3t | you aren't accepting any new incoming connections. only established, related |
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| 19:06.36 | N-drew | Hi! I have a problem I can't install my Wireless Internet connection. I have ASUS 802.11b. Can someone help? |
| 19:06.41 | secher | wm3t: unknown arg -a.. |
| 19:06.55 | wm3t | maybe that should be -A |
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| 19:07.27 | pder | is it necessary to have a computer to use debian? |
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| 19:07.44 | dpower | pder: ..... |
| 19:07.57 | jarjar26 | Hi all : if i do brctl addif mueb eth0 , i receive : interface eth0 does not exist! |
| 19:08.20 | pumpkin0 | N-drew: which asus 802.11b card ? there are a lot of 802.11b cards from asus. |
| 19:08.27 | wm3t | secher > sending you my firewall script that i use on two boxes. |
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| 19:08.44 | shining | hmm ok so everything seems fine :) it was actually painless and fast to reinstall debian |
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| 19:09.16 | dpower | send that script to me |
| 19:09.18 | dpower | plz |
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| 19:09.26 | wm3t | who me? |
| 19:09.31 | shining | I just need to find out again how to install multimedia stuff, like libdvdcss and mplayer. this didnt change at all? I still need marillay repo? |
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| 19:09.44 | pumpkin0 | shining: yes |
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| 19:09.56 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
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| 19:09.58 | initiate | hello |
| 19:10.10 | mere | hello~ |
| 19:10.10 | Daffy-PKF | how do i format a partition in fat32? |
| 19:10.13 | Daveman | heh |
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| 19:10.21 | Daffy-PKF | mkfs.vfat don't exist... |
| 19:10.21 | initiate | i experience problems compiling a new kernel |
| 19:10.32 | dpower | wm3t: yes |
| 19:10.43 | wm3t | ok, already offered to you |
| 19:10.45 | secher | wm3t: hrm. missing libipt-accept.so, apt-cache only shows a perl extension and the deb lib, do you by anychance know what package it's in? |
| 19:10.48 | pumpkin0 | initate: what kernel and which commands are you unsing ? |
| 19:10.49 | cahoot | Daffy-PKF: dosfstools or such IIRC |
| 19:10.49 | drac | Daffy-PKF: So, install package with that command. |
| 19:10.52 | dpower | you did? |
| 19:11.01 | initiate | when trying to 'make xconfig' i get this .... |
| 19:11.22 | joey_ | anyone with working japanese input? |
| 19:11.32 | initiate | pumpkin0, 2.6.8 and i have problem when trying to run make xconfig or make menuconfig |
| 19:11.37 | wm3t | i dont |
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| 19:11.51 | wm3t | i don't know which package that would be in |
| 19:11.52 | secher | !libipt |
| 19:11.52 | drac | initiate: Install 'build-essential' and 'libncurses5-dev' ? |
| 19:11.56 | kgbudz | i have a newbie question, but how do i renew my ip address via command line |
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| 19:11.58 | initiate | Unable to find the QT installation. Please make sure that the QT development package is correctly installed and the QTDIRenvironment variable is set to the correct location. |
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| 19:12.10 | Frenchwood | kgbudz: PUMP |
| 19:12.17 | bgat | anyone know why a pbuilder build or pbuilder login ends up up with a "hostname: Unknown host" error? |
| 19:12.17 | wm3t | dpower, yeah i sent it to you. will send again |
| 19:12.19 | _rene_ | kgbudz: dhcp? dhclient |
| 19:12.20 | drac | ..that's for menuconfig |
| 19:12.23 | nkuttler | kgbudz: pump, dhclient, ifconfig, it depends |
| 19:12.29 | bgat | the pbuilder create appeared to work fine. |
| 19:12.37 | secher | time for google. |
| 19:12.42 | initiate | i`ll try tthis drac ,thanks |
| 19:12.43 | kgbudz | well, which one? |
| 19:12.46 | kgbudz | and with what params |
| 19:12.50 | dondelelcaro | bgat: because your /etc/hosts doesn't have an entry for your hostname |
| 19:12.55 | _rene_ | but that may not do anything because of the way DHCP works... |
| 19:12.59 | N-drew | WL-130b maybe. |
| 19:13.03 | Frenchwood | kgbudz: i just use pump in dbe sarge |
| 19:13.07 | bgat | dondelelcaro: ok, I'll try that. :) |
| 19:13.08 | Frenchwood | *deb |
| 19:13.15 | _rene_ | if you got a lease, you will get the same lease |
| 19:13.27 | dondelelcaro | bgat: you'll have to run a pbuilder create after that to update it |
| 19:13.34 | shining | erf, marillat repo doesnt work right now |
| 19:13.48 | kgbudz | i guess i will play around with these |
| 19:13.49 | kgbudz | thanks |
| 19:13.51 | Frenchwood | nps |
| 19:13.58 | drac | initiate: For QT you probably want (is that really needed for xconfig? I don't know.) "apt-cache search libqt | grep dev" and some of those packages. |
| 19:14.03 | wm3t | dpower: go to http://24.159.164.186/firewall.sh |
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| 19:14.12 | dpower | ty |
| 19:14.39 | initiate | drac, i saw something similiar like this when i was googling the problem |
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| 19:15.06 | initiate | but i didn't see any dev packages when i was doing 'apt-cache search qt' |
| 19:15.08 | drac | Anyway, xconfig is horribly. for Menuconfig you just need build-essential and libncurses5-dev. |
| 19:15.17 | wm3t | dpower: it's simple but effective |
| 19:15.20 | initiate | afk for now,thanks again |
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| 19:16.16 | dpower | looks like it thx |
| 19:16.34 | Daffy-PKF | cahoot> thanks |
| 19:16.48 | secher_ | does anyone know what package libipt_accept.so comes in? apt-cache search and packages.debian.org give naught. |
| 19:17.19 | skiflyer | ok, I got dnsmasq to hand out IP addresses over the wirless router... but, any machine which received its IP this way can't hit any machine by name, and the internet is completely unreachable |
| 19:17.25 | skiflyer | any advice? |
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| 19:17.43 | bbrazil | secher_: guess would be iptables |
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| 19:17.51 | bbrazil | secher_: try apt-file |
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| 19:19.02 | mere | my system is using freesans for japanese script, and i want it to use sazanami gothic for it. any idea of what i could do? |
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| 19:19.34 | andydavid | #ubuntu-es |
| 19:19.36 | FliesLikeABrick | I'm having a problem getting passive ftp to work with vsftpd. I have ports 50000-50100 opened for passive connections, and vsftpd knows those ports are opened. passive is enabled, and my clients are trying to connect as passive but fail. I had ftp working with proftpd but needed vsftpd for other reasons. |
| 19:20.30 | wm3t | secher: did you get it working? |
| 19:20.41 | andydavid | join #ubuntu-es |
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| 19:21.02 | shay | andydavid, con el / antes del join |
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| 19:21.06 | shay | andydavid, /join #ubutu-es |
| 19:21.10 | shay | ubuntu |
| 19:21.17 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:21.21 | andydavid | ok then you |
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| 19:21.28 | shay | andydavid, "thank" |
| 19:21.34 | shay | andydavid, no hay de qué |
| 19:21.35 | secher_ | no, buthaving a blast trying. <grin> there is no file anywhere, not in apt-file, nor in apt-cache nor in search packages.debian.org. Hrm. |
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| 19:21.59 | andydavid | shay de donde eres |
| 19:22.07 | shay | andydavid, Israel |
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| 19:22.17 | andydavid | hablas español |
| 19:22.32 | polando | That's wierd. I've justed installed kernel 2.6.8 with 64 & smp , and when i boot it says my CPU doesn't support long mode .. but I do have em64t! |
| 19:23.01 | secher_ | andydavid: #debian-es |
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| 19:23.24 | pumpkin0 | polando: which cpu do you have ? |
| 19:23.42 | andydavid | #debian-es |
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| 19:24.10 | pumpkin0 | andydavid: "/join #debian-es" |
| 19:24.26 | wm3t | secher: do you have libncurses5-dev installed? |
| 19:24.26 | polando | pentium 4 3.0gh 64bit intel |
| 19:24.32 | shay | isn't there an IRC minihowto somewhere? ;) |
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| 19:25.20 | pumpkin0 | polando: That's not a SMP-CPU. How many CPUs are on your motherboard ? |
| 19:25.27 | Ronin | shay: they cant figure out this is #debian not #ubuntu most days, you think folks will read a how to? |
| 19:25.29 | Jackowski | hi pessoas |
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| 19:25.29 | bbrazil | hmm, dpkg musn't be coded for the new idents (n=root) |
| 19:25.30 | Jackowski | num tem debian pra amd64? |
| 19:25.39 | polando | polando: 1 |
| 19:25.39 | bureado | Hey everyone. I'm trying to make slight modifications in base-config, already downloaded sources and peeked in the code, I'm willing to modify some steps in the network configuration part, does anyone knows which package handles this, or how does base-config calls the other parts of the configuration? |
| 19:25.53 | FliesLikeABrick | bureado, what are you trying to modify? |
| 19:26.01 | FliesLikeABrick | odds are you can modify it directly in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:26.29 | bureado | FliesLikeABrick: I would like to add, for example, a question part for a Samba Workgroup Name, so it generates smb.conf |
| 19:26.31 | pumpkin0 | polando: install the intel-kernel. forget AMD64 and SMP. |
| 19:26.36 | FliesLikeABrick | ah |
| 19:26.43 | shining | what is wrong with mplayer-586? |
| 19:27.00 | phaedral_ | hi all; looking for a clue, want to run xmms over the network on the machine that has speakers hooked to it; can't quite get the howto I'm looking at to do the trick |
| 19:27.02 | bureado | FliesLikeABrick: I could call dpkg-reconfigure samba, but I need to know where the script is |
| 19:27.06 | polando | pumpkin0: but it says that in that verision it doesn't support hyper threading.. and i have it on the comp |
| 19:27.18 | FliesLikeABrick | sorry bureado i don't know, i configured samba by hand |
| 19:27.34 | bureado | It's ok |
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| 19:28.58 | polando | :-\.. i'll try it out.. thanks... |
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| 19:29.36 | initiate | hmm |
| 19:29.37 | secher_ | brb |
| 19:29.44 | pumpkin0 | polando: hypertherading and SMP are not realy the same. if you want hyper-threading use kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
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| 19:30.10 | initiate | scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of 'current_menu' follows non-static declaration scripts/kconfig/lkc.h:63: error: previous declaration of 'current_menu' was heremake[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/mconf.o] Error 1make: *** [xconfig] Error 2 |
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| 19:30.31 | initiate | i get this mistake now when i try to run either 'make xconfig' or 'make menuconfig' |
| 19:30.37 | ziom | can you remove apps stored in /usr/local/bin with dpkg or apt-get? |
| 19:30.50 | phaedral_ | thanks anyway y'all; peace out |
| 19:31.00 | ziom | does it mean local that its installed by user not root? |
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| 19:31.11 | sussi | VEr |
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| 19:31.56 | jason^ | so i'm trying to get xterm to use a different font, a ttf font, it works ok when i run xterm -fa "monaco" but it doesn't work when i do it in the .Xdefaults as xterm*fontface monaco, any reason why? |
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| 19:32.53 | ziom | beause i have the same app installed in /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin... and therefore none of both works correctly |
| 19:32.53 | spr1n | hi! how do I install .deb package ? |
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| 19:32.54 | pumpkin0 | spr1n: dpkg -i XYZ.deb |
| 19:32.54 | jarjar26 | Hi all : if i do brctl addif mueb eth0 , i receive : interface eth0 does not exist! |
| 19:32.56 | douglas- | how do I install a single package from testing on my stable distro? |
| 19:32.59 | ziom | spr1n: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 19:33.00 | spr1n | thnx |
| 19:33.01 | initiate | spr1n, dpkg -i package.deb |
| 19:33.06 | mhall | What can I do to find all files in or below the current directory owned by root? |
| 19:33.09 | feross | hey any recommendations on a SATA RAID controller to use with Debian tha work out of the box? I'm asking out of the box because it's for a remote location server and someone else is going to do the setup. |
| 19:33.22 | douglas- | I want to install spamassassin from testing but thats it. |
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| 19:33.45 | ziom | so is software in /usr/local/bin installed by root or user? |
| 19:34.02 | feross | I've looked around and 3ware seems to be the best option but just in case anyone else had any recent experience with SATA controllers. |
| 19:34.07 | bureado | ziom: Installed by root, usable by user |
| 19:34.10 | douglas- | feross I haven't had a problem with on board sata controllers provided by the popular motherboards. |
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| 19:34.54 | douglas- | if your taking hardware raid then go with 3ware. promisc sata controller prolly work too |
| 19:35.01 | ziom | bureado: i have the same app in /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin when i want to purge it wants to remove kde and a long list of progs... |
| 19:35.12 | ziom | bureado: its called jackd |
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| 19:35.19 | initiate | afk |
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| 19:36.15 | douglas- | can i put something in sources.list so I can get my spamassassin up to date with the testing version? |
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| 19:36.21 | pumpkin0 | ziom: left it installed. if you deinstall that kde & Co will stop playing sounds. |
| 19:36.21 | douglas- | get=keep |
| 19:36.42 | shay | andydavid, por qué no pruebas #velug? |
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| 19:37.09 | douglas- | bueller? |
| 19:37.09 | ziom | pumpkin: i disabled sound in kde, beacause it overwrites my alsaconf configuration... |
| 19:37.13 | feross | douglas-: ok will look into promisc also. Also can't find the right model of the HP server they got but it doesn't work :/ .. looked in the forum and there are a couple of comments about it. |
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| 19:37.27 | skiflyer__ | Ok, dnsmasq question.... one step at a time, I've got it up and running, it's handing out IPs, it's sending name requests to a linksys router so everyone can hit the internet. My windows machines can find eachother by name, but linux can't see windows & windows can't see linux... I'm thinking maybe it's a domain vs. workgroup issue, but I really don't know, anyone have some advice of where... |
| 19:37.27 | douglas- | not sure about HP servers so |
| 19:37.28 | skiflyer__ | ...to look? |
| 19:37.29 | toubsu | i haven't asked any dumb questions here in a while! so here goes; how can I replace every 8th character in a text file with a , and how can I eliminate all trailing spaces before each line? |
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| 19:37.45 | ziom | or i said him use other device: hw0,1 but kde is to stupid for that |
| 19:37.51 | pumpkin0 | ziom: why do you want to remove it ? |
| 19:37.53 | douglas- | vim prolly will do it toubsu, how is another question :) |
| 19:38.04 | ziom | because jack does not work |
| 19:38.12 | spr1n | please explain me what does it means: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386: linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386 depends on linux-headers-2.6.12-1 (= 2.6.12-10); |
| 19:38.29 | ziom | pumkin: my default device is alsa |
| 19:38.29 | pumpkin0 | ziom: can you install a replacement for jack ? |
| 19:38.46 | ziom | pumkin: there some progs what need jack |
| 19:39.06 | pumpkin0 | ziom: ... so leave it installed. |
| 19:39.13 | mhall | Who was it tht asked about Spam Assasin? |
| 19:39.35 | mhall | toubsu: alright, that would be easy enough to do with AWK. |
| 19:39.36 | ziom | pumpkin: but its wrong insalled and those prog dont get sound |
| 19:39.53 | ziom | pumkin: i red when you have installed jack in /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin it leads to problems |
| 19:40.01 | ziom | can i simply rm one? |
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| 19:40.21 | pumpkin0 | ziom: yes, but it will break stuff... |
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| 19:40.23 | ziom | pumpkin: just nuke him? |
| 19:40.36 | mhall | !tell douglas- about source |
| 19:40.43 | ziom | ^^ |
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| 19:41.00 | mhall | douglas-: alright what you need to do is duplicate the line you use to download stable |
| 19:41.07 | pumpkin0 | ziom: the progs that are using jack for sound will stop working if you rm jack just like that. |
| 19:41.08 | mhall | douglas-: change dev to deb-src |
| 19:41.10 | ziom | pumpkin: when it does not fit, make it fit, when it breaks it needed replacement anyway ^^ |
| 19:41.12 | mhall | douglas-: deb* |
| 19:41.33 | mhall | douglas-: apt-get install build-essential |
| 19:41.39 | douglas- | huh? |
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| 19:41.48 | mhall | douglas-: then cd into the source and run debian/rules binary |
| 19:41.50 | douglas- | I want to install spamassassin from testing, not build modules from source. |
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| 19:42.03 | mhall | douglas-: ! It's _not_ for building modules. |
| 19:42.08 | ziom | douglas: apt-get --purge remove debian ;) |
| 19:42.09 | mhall | douglas-: It's for building packages. |
| 19:42.27 | mhall | douglas-: And the way you install the new spam assasin is by building a copy from the debian source code. |
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| 19:42.46 | websdale | Hello , since I apt-get upgraded yesterday, when I do su I get a lot of "configuration errors" & gksu fails completely.Which package could be the source of these errors? |
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| 19:42.48 | douglas- | ziom I'm not that big of an idiot but thanks for insulting my inteligence. |
| 19:42.50 | mhall | douglas-: You can be rude and ignore me if you want but I'm just trying to help. |
| 19:42.57 | douglas- | gotcha |
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| 19:43.13 | websdale | I'm running Etch & gnome |
| 19:43.30 | ziom | douglas: just joking man, chilled out |
| 19:43.39 | kgbudz | ok, so lets say i boot up my box with my network cable unplugged, then i plug it in after bootup |
| 19:43.46 | kgbudz | how do i get an ip via command line |
| 19:43.53 | kgbudz | cause pump didnt work |
| 19:43.54 | wm3t | websdale: i get the same thing while using kde. even if i ssh into the box and then su |
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| 19:43.55 | edt | I am trying to get linux to load some fireware for me and I get 'main: action, subsystem or devpath missing' in demon.log and 'zd1201: probe of 3-7:1.0 failed with error -32' in kern.log |
| 19:43.57 | kgbudz | either did ifconfig |
| 19:44.09 | edt | I do have the firmware in /usr/lib/hotplug |
| 19:44.09 | wm3t | kgbudz: dhclient ethX |
| 19:44.11 | pumpkin0 | kgbudz: why did ifconfig fail ? |
| 19:44.17 | kgbudz | i dont have dhclient |
| 19:44.17 | edt | and the firmware module loads |
| 19:44.21 | edt | ideas? |
| 19:44.32 | mhall | damn, channel is sucking today |
| 19:44.35 | mhall | i'm out |
| 19:44.36 | douglas- | its not real funny in a help channel |
| 19:44.39 | douglas- | mhall thanks |
| 19:44.41 | kgbudz | ifconfig, didnt fail, i just couldnt get it to get an ip |
| 19:44.43 | ziom | pumkin: when i remove a package with ignore-depends the other package will last? |
| 19:44.49 | douglas- | missed him |
| 19:44.50 | douglas- | oh well |
| 19:45.02 | wm3t | ifconfig doesn't get the ip, just shows the interfaces |
| 19:45.05 | websdale | wm3t:there's obviously a new bug-but where ? |
| 19:45.08 | secher_ | wm3t: if you;re still around, I changes accept to ACCEPT as noted in a google search, but now I get iptables: no chain/target/match by that name. the command I'm running is the one you supplied >> iptables -A input --protocol tcp --dport 22 -j accept ( and ACCEPT) any more ideas? |
| 19:45.09 | ziom | douglas: its a fun channel:) |
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| 19:45.14 | pumpkin0 | ziom: yes. It will break the other progs, but apt should proceed |
| 19:45.21 | spr1n | can someone help me? |
| 19:45.57 | wm3t | ok, try this, i lowercased some stuff. iptables -A INPUT --protocol tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
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| 19:46.13 | kgbudz | like why would pump fail? |
| 19:46.16 | pumpkin0 | spr1n: you are missing 1 package. Have you changed /etc/at/sources.conf |
| 19:46.23 | wm3t | websdale: i have been looking, but not found the config file as of yet. |
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| 19:46.37 | ziom | pumkin: ok there are about 100progs which jackd(enials) want to take with it but i have time and write for each --ignore-depends;) |
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| 19:47.01 | spr1n | pumpkin0: no, I havent |
| 19:47.03 | websdale | wm3t:I think it might be connected to PAM |
| 19:47.23 | wm3t | it could be. i remember something about a pam upgrade |
| 19:47.30 | secher_ | wm3t: bingo. I saw the caps INPUT in the man page, but breezed rihgt past it. DUH. When you send me those conf files, it's just /dcc accept yes? |
| 19:47.32 | ziom | websdale: you mean Pamela? |
| 19:47.48 | ziom | websdale: let me conact to her too:) |
| 19:47.59 | pumpkin0 | spr1n: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.12-1 |
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| 19:48.35 | polando | pumpkin0: but if i'll use the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp it wont support 64 bit... |
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| 19:48.55 | wm3t | secher_: not sure, just go to http://24.159.164.186/firewall.txt |
| 19:48.59 | pumpkin0 | polando: why do you need 64 bit ? Do you have >> 4GB RAM ? |
| 19:49.00 | spr1n | pumpkin0: it doesnt work that way, tells no such package, I downloaded it manually |
| 19:49.00 | wm3t | that is the file I was sending |
| 19:49.02 | skiflyer__ | before I hope a more detailed question helps me find an answer, does anyone here think they can help with a dnsmasq question? |
| 19:49.15 | secher_ | wm3t: or that works.. Thanks wm3t! |
| 19:49.15 | websdale | ziom:that's bit sad, really |
| 19:49.23 | pumpkin0 | spr1n: download that package and install it using dpkg -i |
| 19:49.27 | spr1n | pumpkin0: I have changeng |
| 19:49.31 | ziom | skilyer: what is a dnsmasq ^^? |
| 19:49.33 | spr1n | ups |
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| 19:49.50 | skiflyer__ | ziom: It's a DNS Caching & DHCP server |
| 19:49.52 | wm3t | secher_: no problem! happy i could help |
| 19:50.06 | SpamHog | psmouse + kvm issue: many distros incl. sarge don't work with my kvm, those that so seemingly use the "bare" protocol. that "bare" protocol works with my kvm switch - how do I set up stable to use that? I know I should not mess with /etc/modules.conf directly... |
| 19:50.20 | spr1n | when im dpkg -i this package I get this error: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386: linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386 depends on linux-headers-2.6.12-1 (= 2.6.12-10) |
| 19:50.37 | ziom | skiflyer & websdale: ok |
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| 19:50.41 | ziom | ^^ |
| 19:50.45 | websdale | w3mt:there was a libpam* upgrade last night, but that was since the problem started |
| 19:51.10 | spr1n | pumpkin0: and I have changed /etc/apt/sources.list once |
| 19:51.24 | wm3t | websdale: looking through the /etc/pam.d directory now. |
| 19:51.33 | pumpkin0 | spr1n: download this: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/linux-headers-2.6.12-1 and install it. |
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| 19:51.36 | polando | pumpkin0: hmmm.. no.. |
| 19:51.43 | dpower | /part |
| 19:51.50 | ziom | wm3t: you stotred there pr0n? |
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| 19:51.56 | pumpkin0 | spr1n: then try to reinstall the 1. package you want to install. |
| 19:52.10 | Mask | I can't figure out how to configure the tftpd-hpa package... The configuration file for it would normally be in /etc/xinetd.d/tftp, but I don't use xinetd |
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| 19:52.53 | polando | pumpkin0: so you say the 64bit support is usless if you have less then 4GB ram?! |
| 19:53.04 | pumpkin0 | polando: yes |
| 19:53.16 | spr1n | pumkin0: I have tride that, still the same |
| 19:53.23 | pumpkin0 | polando: more than 4GB.... |
| 19:53.45 | pumpkin0 | spr1n: dpkg -i package1 package2 ? |
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| 19:54.08 | polando | pumpkin0: but it wont do bad if i'll install it, right? |
| 19:54.28 | ziom | sprln: you need to go to the directory where the package is |
| 19:54.29 | spr1n | pumpkin0: wait, what is 2-nd package, i have only one |
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| 19:54.48 | SpamHog | sorry - poor wording! - I want to try the "bare" psmouse protocol on sarge. How do I check if / make sure it is loaded? |
| 19:54.48 | spr1n | ziom, im in it |
| 19:54.55 | pumpkin0 | polando: way more than 4GB.... (i will get it right the next time...). No, not harmfull, it will not be used anyway... |
| 19:55.10 | ziom | sprln; do you use it as root? |
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| 19:55.19 | squarepants | can anybody tell me why i can't type the / character in console? i hear the system beep instead |
| 19:55.21 | spr1n | ziom: yes |
| 19:55.33 | polando | pumpkin0: ok.. thanks... |
| 19:55.41 | pumpkin0 | spr1n: you are trying to install linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386, right ? i tell you to install linux-headers-2.6.12-1 first. That's 2 packages. |
| 19:55.49 | ziom | sprln; are any error massages? or does it say all configured, you are great sprln? |
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| 19:56.03 | karapan | Buenas A todos/as.... |
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| 19:56.19 | spr1n | pumpkin0: now I got it, Ill try it |
| 19:56.20 | Gnea | ok, this is perplexing - why does CMD=`ls yada` produce no output until is actually done: echo $CMD, but if CMD=`mount /cdrom` it executes it immediately? |
| 19:56.21 | bwlang | is there something funky about cdbs? i can't see to do debian/rules build with the cups package from woody - any clues to what i'm doing wrong? |
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| 19:56.55 | Displacer | are there any soft for bluetoth connections in debain sarge? |
| 19:57.20 | ziom | is there a command --ignore--depends=* or all? |
| 19:57.44 | bwlang | Displacer: bluez-utils |
| 19:57.47 | ziom | i dont want to write 100times --ignore-depends and look on the package to ignore |
| 19:58.16 | bwlang | ziom: you're playing with fire... |
| 19:58.30 | ziom | bwlang: nope |
| 19:58.40 | Displacer | bwlang, how should i use it? |
| 19:58.58 | ziom | bwlang: It s just jackd(enials) he does not want to go, he want revange |
| 19:59.00 | ziom | ^^ |
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| 19:59.18 | bwlang | Displacer: you'll have to google for that... or check out the readmes... |
| 19:59.26 | Displacer | man bluez-utils |
| 19:59.26 | Displacer | No manual entry for bluez-utils |
| 19:59.45 | pumpkin0 | ziom: you are breaking your system. And apt. And a shitlot of programmes. But it's your system. |
| 19:59.54 | wm3t | websdale: if i comment those strings out of /etc/logins.def they go away |
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| 20:00.06 | bwlang | Displacer: dpkg -L bluez-utils |
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| 20:00.10 | ziom | bwlang: i need to remove jackd because he felt that being one time on my boxs is not enough and he installed twice: one in /usr/local/bin and one in /usr/bin |
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| 20:00.25 | Displacer | bwlang, the next question, is there any GUI tools for bluetoth? |
| 20:00.31 | bwlang | ziom: sounds like you make a habit of playing with fire... |
| 20:00.41 | ziom | bwlang: why? |
| 20:00.42 | bwlang | Displacer: i don't think so |
| 20:00.56 | pumpkin0 | ziom: post the result of "ls -la /usr/bin/jack* /usr/local/bin/jack*" |
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| 20:01.08 | solidgroove | where can I get debian unstable images? |
| 20:01.24 | bwlang | ziom: because you are installing stuff outside of apt... if it's not a deb don't install it (unless you know what you're doing) |
| 20:02.11 | ziom | pumpkin: ls: /usr/local/bin/jack: Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu |
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| 20:02.33 | ziom | (nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu= no such file or folder) |
| 20:02.37 | pumpkin0 | you forgot the star ? |
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| 20:02.45 | wm3t | websdale: that fixed my problems too with opening network properties within kde |
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| 20:03.00 | pumpkin0 | ziom: you forgot the star ? |
| 20:03.01 | wm3t | or anything that requires root from kde |
| 20:03.04 | ziom | pumpkin: i see |
| 20:03.07 | ziom | pumpkin: i dod |
| 20:03.09 | ziom | pumpkin: i did |
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| 20:04.20 | ziom | pumpkin: there are more than 20 lines output? should i post em? |
| 20:04.21 | secher_ | Ok, I'm not happy again. apparently somehow firestarter got installed, and due to my ignorance, I figure, how am I ever going to learn more if I have pretty little clicky tools to do all of the work for me. I'm going to remove firestarter and purge it, but I'm wondering what I should replace it with. what is the "debian standard" firewall package? |
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| 20:04.44 | pumpkin0 | ziom: no. try jackd |
| 20:04.53 | spr1n | pumpkin0: hmm... cannot find linux-headers-2.6.12-1 anywhere =\ |
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| 20:05.10 | ziom | sprln: tried: packages.debian.org? |
| 20:05.34 | pumpkin0 | spr1n: i posted the link: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/linux-headers-2.6.12-1 |
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| 20:05.44 | ziom | sprln: I m sure i saw them there recently while searching for other progs |
| 20:05.53 | Displacer | bwlang, http://www.bluez.org/documentation.html - "Most information about installing and using BlueZ are outdated" |
| 20:06.26 | spr1n | pumpkin0, zion: there are only for platforms packages |
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| 20:06.38 | spr1n | or Im missing something? |
| 20:06.59 | squarepants | can anybody tell me why i can't type the / character in console? i hear the system beep instead |
| 20:07.01 | bwlang | Displacer: yep... |
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| 20:07.23 | pumpkin0 | spr1n: these packages work on EVERY platform, including i386 |
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| 20:07.43 | Mr-R | secher_: iptables and http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/ |
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| 20:08.34 | Mr-R | secher_: but i am not sure if thats the debian way. its just the linux sort of thing to do... :) |
| 20:08.47 | SpamHog | Booting with grub, if I want to pass on a boot parameter to the kernel, where do I put it? On the kernel line in menu.lst or somewhere else? |
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| 20:09.16 | websdale | wm3t:sorry I was away for a moment - which strings? |
| 20:09.20 | Edwin_Quijada | debian sarge use lilo or grub from cd rom? |
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| 20:09.42 | wm3t | websdale: i just commented out the strings that come up in the config error messages. |
| 20:09.53 | srw | Just went to unstable - X.org seems to have broken things, I just get a gdm can't start X dialog.... Where do I start diagnosing X as XFree86.log is not being updated. |
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| 20:10.20 | spr1n | pumpkin0: baut there are only for platforms, cannot find others there, i have tryed linux-headers-2.6.12-1_2.6.12-10_i386.deb allready |
| 20:10.22 | websdale | wm3t:yes, but which file are they in to comment out? |
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| 20:10.41 | tosh | how do i make egrep match multiple patterns, and not piping the output of one grep to another, so not ps -fA | grep ora_ | grep dtscreen... I need to see all lines with ora_ in it OR dtscreen... I tried with egrep -e "ora_ | dtscreen" but no success |
| 20:10.44 | gedvm | ÷ÓÅÍ ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ! |
| 20:10.48 | wm3t | websdale: sorry, /etc/login.defs |
| 20:11.00 | ircdevil | strange bug in feh. random with -z doent work. having two or three or four pictures, only 1 and 2 is ever shown with feh -z * |
| 20:11.00 | saloxin | tosh: -e bla -e foo |
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| 20:11.08 | websdale | wm3t:thanks -nice one |
| 20:11.22 | tosh | saloxin omg... sorry :/ |
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| 20:12.15 | tosh | saloxin although |
| 20:12.20 | ziom | pumpkin: the same crap, jackd(enials) started but he keeps the sound device for himself... |
| 20:12.44 | tosh | saloxin im trying with three queries and its not giving what it should be giving |
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| 20:13.03 | tosh | I want all three to be optional parameters, so they don't need to be there, but if they are I want to see them |
| 20:13.08 | ziom | in other progs: could not connect to jackserver... |
| 20:13.35 | tosh | ziom jackd is running? |
| 20:13.39 | saloxin | tosh: hm? not grep -e 1 -e 2 -e 3? |
| 20:13.44 | ziom | tosh: yes |
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| 20:13.59 | websdale | w3mt:I remember now - when I upgraded I must of said yes to replace login.defs thanks again |
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| 20:14.15 | tosh | saloxin that works in the sense that it doesn't give me an error, but then it wants to match all three, mandatory |
| 20:14.16 | ziom | tosh: when executing jackd -d alsa -d hw:0,1 it starts, but in qjackctl errors |
| 20:14.22 | tosh | ziom strange :/ |
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| 20:14.26 | wm3t | websdale: no problem |
| 20:14.34 | saloxin | tosh: nope - thats or'ed |
| 20:14.44 | ziom | tosh: remove jack and reinstall? |
| 20:14.59 | ziom | tosh: but he does not want go alone... |
| 20:15.15 | saloxin | tosh: although egrep might behave differently - i'm used to grep |
| 20:15.17 | ziom | tosh: he wants that 100 other packages suffer too... |
| 20:15.24 | serenity07 | !seen candle |
| 20:15.25 | dpkg | candle <i=lisa@067.a.002lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 18h 14m 53s ago, saying: 'stew: hello'. |
| 20:15.28 | ziom | :( |
| 20:15.50 | ziom | i dont want to ignore-depends 100 packages!! |
| 20:15.59 | wm3t | websdale: now that you mention it. i sort of remember that too |
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| 20:16.11 | spr1n | !seen pumpkin0 |
| 20:16.11 | dpkg | pumpkin0 <n=ram@pppoe85-99-luxdsl-239.pt.lu> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 8m 48s ago, saying: 'spr1n: these packages work on EVERY platform, including i386'. |
| 20:16.12 | ziom | there for my initial question: is there a ignore-depends=* ? |
| 20:16.33 | websdale | wm3t:It all comes flooding back :) |
| 20:16.45 | tosh | saloxin found it, I have to do ps -fA | egrep -e "ora_|agent|tns" and not egrep -e "ora_ | agent | tns" mind the spaces |
| 20:17.18 | skiflyer | anyone have any good dnsmasq resources? I'm going nuts, and the mailing list seems to be non-functioning ( or at least really slow ) righ tnow |
| 20:17.28 | saloxin | heh ps -fA | grep -e "ora_" -e "agent" -e "tns" doesn't do it? |
| 20:17.49 | saloxin | your version involves less typing though |
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| 20:18.24 | i3dmaster | which file defines HISTFILESIZE and HISTSIZE? |
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| 20:20.16 | abrotman | i3dmaster: whichever you choose .. |
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| 20:20.27 | abrotman | i don't think there's a system wide place to change it |
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| 20:20.33 | srw | Ah I seem to be missing some packages. |
| 20:20.33 | ziom | why does the --ignore-depends option does not work for remove???????????????????????????????? |
| 20:20.48 | ziom | o.() |
| 20:21.09 | nkuttler | ziom: use dpkg -r? |
| 20:21.14 | Gnea | ziom: did you try to force it? |
| 20:21.31 | ziom | nkuttler & gnea: ok |
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| 20:23.34 | ziom | nkuttler & gnea: dpkg -r --ignore-depends work |
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| 20:24.02 | ziom | nkuttler & gnea: but can i somehow ignore all with one or two words? |
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| 20:24.55 | nkuttler | !wayttd ziom |
| 20:24.57 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ziom? |
| 20:24.58 | Coutal | has anyone here ever used Xen? |
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| 20:25.30 | ziom | dpkg: dpkg -r jackd.. |
| 20:26.07 | nkuttler | ziom: dpkg is a bot. and why do you want to keep the deps? |
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| 20:26.32 | ziom | nkuttler: because i just want to reinstall jackd |
| 20:26.42 | nkuttler | ziom: apt-get install --reinstall foo |
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| 20:27.05 | ziom | nkuttler: but there seems to be two of them installed in two different packages |
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| 20:27.13 | tip_ | hi all |
| 20:27.18 | nkuttler | ziom: two what? |
| 20:27.28 | wm3t | hey tip_ |
| 20:27.34 | ziom | nkuttler: there are two jackd's installed on my box |
| 20:27.48 | E-bola | Hmmm im filling a 1tb drive with random data from /dev/urandom via dd |
| 20:27.52 | ziom | nkuttler: one in /usr/bin one in /usr/local/bin |
| 20:27.53 | E-bola | its been running for 35+ hours |
| 20:27.54 | nkuttler | ziom: are there two executables? |
| 20:27.59 | E-bola | any1 got an idea how long is left? |
| 20:27.59 | E-bola | hehe |
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| 20:28.05 | tip_ | can anyone use a backup server/client BACULA? |
| 20:28.32 | ziom | ebola? the rest of your quota? |
| 20:29.20 | ziom | nkutller: yes |
| 20:29.31 | E-bola | ziom: quota? |
| 20:29.37 | Coutal | E-bola: it really really depends on your hard drive. |
| 20:29.45 | Coutal | and drive controller |
| 20:29.47 | E-bola | coutal: external firewire 1tb lacie :/ |
| 20:29.51 | ziom | ebola: disk space? |
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| 20:29.58 | E-bola | i was under the impression it was my cpu that was delaying it |
| 20:30.03 | E-bola | since it has to generate the random data |
| 20:30.04 | nkuttler | ziom: hm. doesn't sound like a thing that should happen. dpkg -S bin/jackd |
| 20:30.10 | E-bola | its onyl a p4 1.6ghz |
| 20:30.25 | Coutal | what firewire card do you have? maybe it's a lame one or one that has lame drivers |
| 20:30.38 | roll | I have a debian package that I edited. I was wondering how can I change the revision number with out screwing up getting updates from apt? |
| 20:30.59 | E-bola | mmm the chipset is texas instruments |
| 20:31.00 | roll | The revision number is 2 should I just add 2.2? or is that illegal? |
| 20:31.03 | Coutal | also, afaik, the lacie has a normal IDE drive inside it. it may be the bottleneck itself |
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| 20:31.13 | E-bola | it does 20MB/sec with hdparm so its not THAT bad |
| 20:31.15 | ziom | ebola: you fill the drive or the processor? |
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| 20:31.35 | E-bola | how can i fill the processor? |
| 20:31.43 | E-bola | im just writing random data to my hdd |
| 20:31.49 | E-bola | to wipe it before i send it back to lacie |
| 20:31.53 | skiflyer | sorry, got booted after I asked last time... still looking for dnsmasq help, or help resources, any one push me in the right direction? |
| 20:32.13 | ziom | ebola: so why do u mention a P4? |
| 20:32.32 | E-bola | ziom: cuz the cpu generates the random data |
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| 20:33.11 | Coutal | E-bola: that's right. /dev/urandom uses a PRNG on real random data. that can take some cpu indeed. |
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| 20:34.11 | Coutal | or at least cause enough delay to stop the drive from doing bulk transfer or even some caching. you may get much better performance if you increase the block size wildly. |
| 20:34.11 | E-bola | coutal: ya i actualy thinkt hats the limiting factor :/ |
| 20:34.23 | E-bola | i used 4k i think |
| 20:34.24 | ziom | nkutller: dpkg -S bin/jackd gives result: jackd: /usr/bin/jackd, is everything now allright? |
| 20:34.55 | ziom | nkuttler: the second jackd is still in local... |
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| 20:35.10 | ziom | nkuttler: sould i just nuke him with a rm? |
| 20:35.14 | nkuttler | ziom: well, how did it get there? |
| 20:35.18 | E-bola | coutal: u got a better way to wipe a drive? |
| 20:35.40 | Coutal | why are you wiping it? |
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| 20:35.48 | ziom | nkuttler: i think i run the sources of jackd and the deb |
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| 20:36.01 | Coutal | you can always keep the count of blocks and just use skip= to test better settings. |
| 20:36.31 | SerajewelKS | i cannot get any CTRL+ keys to work, either in a shell (konsole) or on a VT. no ^D, ^Z, or even ^C. any idea why this is happening? |
| 20:36.33 | nkuttler | ziom: the source directory should have some uninstall target, which probably is cleaner than to rm |
| 20:37.19 | Coutal | E-bola: you know, it really depends on how hard you want to hide the data. DoD standard is 7 passes. i had to run 50 once on an army machine. but maybe just doing nulls and fulls would suffice for your use. |
| 20:37.23 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: use xev and see if they work at all |
| 20:37.41 | Coutal | brb |
| 20:37.53 | CoutAway | 50 passes took several days btw :) |
| 20:37.55 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler, looks like it... granted i don't know exactly what i'm looking for |
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| 20:38.09 | ziom | nkuttler: i dont know there are more direcorys in the sources, i could find an INSTALL helpfile so i run ./configure + make +make install blinly |
| 20:38.15 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: if there is some output when you hit them they work |
| 20:38.18 | abrotman | E-bola: dban.sf.net |
| 20:38.26 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler, then i guess they're working |
| 20:38.31 | ziom | nkutlletr: mean i could NOT... |
| 20:38.35 | nkuttler | ziom: try make uninstall |
| 20:38.45 | ziom | nkutllrt: ok |
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| 20:38.53 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: did you mess with your keymap? |
| 20:38.53 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler, the fact that they don't even work on a VC makes me thing it's a keymap/shell issue |
| 20:38.57 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler, no |
| 20:39.03 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler, they were working last night |
| 20:39.27 | nkuttler | odd |
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| 20:39.41 | Cope | is there a way to show from which repository a package came (supposing one is using additional repositories for non-free stuff etc) Some kind of dpkg incantation? |
| 20:39.58 | Cope | (an installed package, I mean) |
| 20:40.03 | mess-mate | hi folks |
| 20:40.04 | nkuttler | Cope: apt-cache policy? |
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| 20:40.07 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler, i'd reboot of course but i'm currently imaging another computer using an image on this one over nfs |
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| 20:40.48 | ziom | nkuttker: thanks mate, the second crap is removed;) |
| 20:40.56 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler, but i can try switching keymaps. what package configures keymaps in its debconf? |
| 20:40.57 | mess-mate | anybody setted-up a live-cd with dfsbuild ?? |
| 20:41.08 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 20:41.20 | nite613 | Running sid. since the upgrade to xorg (I *think* that's what did it) when I switch out of X to a text console then back to X it just freezes the machine and the screen floods with white. It's a dell laptop, i810 driver |
| 20:41.23 | Cope | nkuttler: that's great |
| 20:41.34 | nite613 | Anyone know? Or should I head to #xorg ? |
| 20:41.48 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: weird, i've never heard of dnet doing that |
| 20:42.09 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, yeah it said it in the cedega docs... stupid me thought "yeah but it's at nice 19" |
| 20:42.32 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: exactly.. oh well, if that fixed it then that fixed it |
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| 20:42.42 | SerajewelKS | Gnea, maybe glx is sensitive to other processes based solely on the amount of CPU currently used |
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| 20:42.47 | thorie_ | what's a text editor for debian? |
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| 20:42.57 | thorie_ | i tried "vi" but there is no vi on this debian box |
| 20:43.01 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: yeah it's probably some low-level thing |
| 20:43.06 | Gnurdux | are there any midi sequencers with a musical staff view in the debian repository |
| 20:43.09 | nkuttler | thorie_: nano should be available |
| 20:43.11 | Gnurdux | thorie_, try nano |
| 20:43.15 | thorie_ | found it |
| 20:43.15 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 20:43.16 | thorie_ | thx |
| 20:43.38 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler, well resetting the keymap didna do a bit o' good |
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| 20:44.00 | dli_ | what copying (reading) speed is expected for a usb 2.0 external hdd |
| 20:44.05 | ziom | YEAH! I LOVE THIS CHANNEL! |
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| 20:44.14 | Gnea | this should be easy, yet i can't figure it out: i need to detect if a cdrom has been mounted and if it hasn't, open the tray and try to scan for it again after a specified amount of time |
| 20:44.16 | ziom | JACK DENIALS FINALY WORKS:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
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| 20:44.25 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler, i did run x11vnc and i know it tweaks X settings, but i don't see how that could affect the VCs too |
| 20:44.32 | Gnurdux | so does anyone have any ideas for me? |
| 20:44.34 | Overfiend | ziom: I find that JACK DANIELS usually "works". |
| 20:44.37 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: no idea |
| 20:45.04 | Overfiend | ziom: but not as well as GLENFIDDICH |
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| 20:45.37 | ziom | ^^ |
| 20:45.48 | SerajewelKS | linux live + nfs = damn good imaging environment |
| 20:46.09 | spr1n | can someone tell me where is Package linux-headers-2.6.12-1 (not Package linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386 & etc.)? |
| 20:46.20 | ziom | can i "run" (read drink) Glenfiddich as a deamon to? |
| 20:46.25 | ziom | ^^ |
| 20:46.28 | SerajewelKS | !info linux-headers-2.6.12-1 |
| 20:46.30 | Overfiend | ziom: best way to do it... |
| 20:46.33 | Estes2 | I need some help please, i have a server that have 2 ip addresses and masquerade enabled. i got http requests on an ip and i want to route to the other ip and connect. the public ip would be 192.168.1.126 and the private one (to which i want to route the request) 10.0.0.4 but the problem is when i connect from locahost to 10.0.0.4 i can connect but from some computer on 192.168.1.0 i get a connection refused... any idea ? |
| 20:46.33 | dpkg | linux-headers-2.6.12-1: (Common architecture-specific header files for Linux kernel 2.6.12), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.12-10 (sid), Packaged size: 2815 kB, Installed size: 24932 kB |
| 20:46.41 | ziom | overfiend: ok |
| 20:46.43 | SerajewelKS | spr1n, looks like it's in sid |
| 20:46.46 | Estes2 | this is all that way since i use keepalived NAT |
| 20:46.48 | dli_ | spr1n: linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 20:46.55 | Gnurdux | no ideas for me? :( |
| 20:47.01 | RichiH | scotch & bourbon are overrated |
| 20:47.06 | RichiH | martini! |
| 20:47.15 | spr1n | dli_: thnx |
| 20:47.16 | ziom | gnurdux: its animal marcy day i help;) |
| 20:47.26 | Gnurdux | ziom, what? |
| 20:47.28 | abrotman | Gnurdux: rosegarden ? ardour ? |
| 20:47.43 | SerajewelKS | is there a network throughput monitor for the KDE panel? |
| 20:47.46 | ziom | gnurdux: joking man!! i have so good mood ^^ |
| 20:47.47 | spr1n | dli_: but there is no such |
| 20:47.54 | Gnurdux | abrotman, k ill take a look |
| 20:47.58 | spr1n | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/linux-headers-2.6.12-1 |
| 20:48.04 | Gnurdux | ziom, good moods rock |
| 20:48.11 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i'm not sure exactly what you're asking for .. but that might help .. |
| 20:48.15 | SerajewelKS | nm, found one |
| 20:48.27 | ziom | gnurdux: what you mean by repository? |
| 20:48.30 | Gnurdux | abrotman, rosegarden looks nice |
| 20:48.34 | Gnurdux | the APT repository |
| 20:48.39 | abrotman | Gnurdux: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/08/04/2014227&tid=75 |
| 20:48.44 | gsnedders | i've got a problem: i've got a ethernet PCI card (unex na012) and on the netboot CD when i choose the ne2k-pci driver, it just goes back to the driver list |
| 20:48.44 | dli_ | spr1n: then, something wrong with your sources.list, you may want to run apt-setup |
| 20:48.45 | ziom | gnurdux: I recently downlaoded a load of midi/ wav tools.. |
| 20:48.52 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 20:49.11 | ziom | gnurdux: what you want midi tracker? |
| 20:49.36 | Gnurdux | sequencer |
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| 20:49.58 | ziom | i have seq24 |
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| 20:50.21 | ziom | but i haven"t done anything in a sequnzer yet |
| 20:50.24 | Estes2 | allright... |
| 20:50.38 | Estes2 | anyone knows a chan about LVS ? |
| 20:51.04 | ziom | gnurdux: stupid question but what do you exactly by sequnezing? |
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| 20:51.19 | Gnurdux | ziom, dont worry |
| 20:51.27 | Gnurdux | i think abrotman found one for me |
| 20:51.38 | abrotman | Gnurdux: good enough ? |
| 20:51.47 | Gnurdux | i think so |
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| 20:51.55 | ziom | gnurdux: i have sweep and terminatorx and do scretching on them.. |
| 20:52.18 | buu | Ok, I've got a radeon 9700 with two outputs, a vga and a dvi output. I'm pretty sure theirs a way to make this single card drive two monitors (one desktop over two monitors preferably), anyone have a pointer to docs and such? |
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| 20:52.28 | ecobit | damn, how the fuck can portmap be running on my system if i have K18portmap in my runlevel? |
| 20:52.29 | abrotman | buu: #ati ... |
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| 20:52.36 | buu | abrotman: Really? |
| 20:52.39 | abrotman | ecobit: you could just remove it |
| 20:52.40 | ziom | gnurdux: ok i also record my crappy voice and thaht of my mates and do a sample with hydrogen and then scratch it |
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| 20:52.55 | gsnedders | i've got a problem: i've got a ethernet PCI card (unex na012) and on the netboot CD when i choose the ne2k-pci driver, it just goes back to the driver list - how am i meant to do the net install then? |
| 20:52.57 | abrotman | buu: it's supposed to work .. but i've never seen anyone in here say how :) |
| 20:53.01 | ziom | gnurdux: but what could you do in a sequnezer? |
| 20:53.05 | ecobit | abrotman: done! |
| 20:53.10 | buu | abrotman: Yeah =/ |
| 20:53.21 | buu | abrotman: I found a tutorial that involves FireGL or some such? |
| 20:53.28 | ecobit | bitch |
| 20:53.28 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 20:53.33 | Gnurdux | i can write the music |
| 20:53.36 | Gnurdux | but cant play it |
| 20:53.36 | abrotman | buu: oh .. afaik .. flgrx is the only way to get that to work |
| 20:53.44 | Gnurdux | does rosegarden have ALSA support? |
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| 20:54.07 | ziom | gnurdux do you have jack running? |
| 20:54.13 | buu | abrotman: Er, so how do I get flgrx on teh debian? |
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| 20:54.22 | ziom | gnurdux: it was the battle of the day insatlling jack on my box |
| 20:54.26 | abrotman | !ati debs |
| 20:54.27 | dpkg | ati debs is probably http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 20:54.27 | Gnurdux | ziom, wait a min |
| 20:54.37 | abrotman | Gnurdux: you ahve to have jack use alsa i think |
| 20:54.45 | buu | Scary. |
| 20:54.55 | Gnurdux | jack? |
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| 20:55.54 | ziom | gnurdux: its a sound demon |
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| 20:56.07 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 20:56.16 | Gnurdux | maybe ardour will have better support |
| 20:56.32 | ziom | gnurdux: you dont get it... |
| 20:56.38 | Gnurdux | no i do |
| 20:56.47 | Gnurdux | ill prolly need to set it up anyway |
| 20:56.52 | ziom | gnurdux: i have also installed alsa as default device but: |
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| 20:57.11 | woodwizzle | All the nerim.net apt servers are down. Are there any mirrors of them? |
| 20:57.23 | ziom | gnurdux: but only with alsa only one prog could speak to the sound device... |
| 20:57.26 | woodwizzle | or other places I can go to get libcss2 and w32codecs etc? |
| 20:57.34 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i think they both use jack |
| 20:57.36 | ziom | gnurdux: it blocks the device for other progs |
| 20:57.41 | abrotman | Gnurdux: jack runs over top of alsa |
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| 20:58.09 | nkuttler | woodwizzle: up for me |
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| 20:58.12 | Gnurdux | ok |
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| 20:58.59 | Azar | First things first: you don't know Jack. Meet Jack. Jack is where things start to get weird. Most operating systems, err, Windows and OS X, provide an invisible interface to your audio hardware. In these OSes audio applications output to a software mixer, which mixes the signals and streams it to the sound card. |
| 20:59.05 | cusco | how do I check which process is using port x or y? |
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| 20:59.16 | Azar | Similarly, Jack is an audio daemon that sits between audio apps and ALSA. Where Jack differs is that, in the proud tradition of Linux, it is infinitely configurable. |
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| 20:59.42 | abrotman | cusco: fuser or lsof |
| 20:59.45 | woodwizzle | nkutter: Hmmm, maybe i have the addresses wrong or something then. I have them from a knoppix install |
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| 21:00.25 | [jimmy] | 7join ubuntu |
| 21:00.25 | ziom | abortman: isnt it also in ps? |
| 21:00.35 | abrotman | ziom: if you can find it .. more power to you |
| 21:00.46 | ziom | ok |
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| 21:00.57 | Estes2 | anyone would be willing to help about ipvs please ? i can't find a channel about it |
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| 21:01.10 | cusco | abrotman: and how do I check for the process that is listening on port 80 |
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| 21:01.19 | Jeo | i am trying to install debian 3.1 in a laptop compaq, when it is starting to write the partition the compaq evo N160 shutdown alone, someone could help me? |
| 21:01.20 | Rawplayer | lsof -i tcp | grep 80 |
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| 21:01.28 | Azar | Estes2, it will be something like #networking or #tcpip or #tcp/ip |
| 21:01.35 | Mr-R | cusco: netstat -atp |
| 21:01.37 | shining | how can I find out the refresh rate of my laptop lcd. it seems Xorg built with gcc 4 is broken and can't detect it anymore |
| 21:01.53 | mhall | Could somebody please run /exec -o ls -l /etc/lilo.conf for me? I toasted the user/group on mine by accident. |
| 21:01.55 | G2 | is ia64 64 Bit for Intel, i.e like a Dell 2859 server or x86_64 for RPM based distros? |
| 21:02.00 | Jeo | I tried ext2,3 Reif...bla bla bla nothing seems to work |
| 21:02.04 | G2 | Dell 2850 even |
| 21:02.05 | mhall | shining: Hmm. What kind of LCD is it? |
| 21:02.11 | abrotman | cusco: i told you .. fuser or lsof |
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| 21:02.17 | mhall | shining: I got mine working with X.Org so I can probably help. |
| 21:02.30 | mhall | Ouch, lag is 14.18 on my screen. Can anybody see what I am typing atm? |
| 21:02.32 | nkuttler | mhall: root:root 640 |
| 21:02.37 | woodwizzle | nkutter: can you show me how it looks in your sources.list file? |
| 21:02.40 | abrotman | mhall: sorry, you're not online anyomre |
| 21:02.40 | mhall | nkuttler: thanks! |
| 21:02.46 | mhall | abrotman: ;-) |
| 21:02.54 | nkuttler | woodwizzle: please use my correct name |
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| 21:03.05 | nkuttler | woodwizzle: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main |
| 21:03.06 | mhall | abrotman: I think the lag meter has been broken by peterS's antispam script. |
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| 21:03.10 | woodwizzle | nkuttler, sorry hehe small screen =) |
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| 21:03.17 | abrotman | mhall: it's not his fault! |
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| 21:03.27 | G2 | anyone? |
| 21:03.30 | nkuttler | woodwizzle: doesn't your irc client do tab completion? |
| 21:03.31 | abrotman | !blame peterS |
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| 21:03.33 | mhall | abrotman: Is your lag also this high? |
| 21:03.35 | gsnedders | i've got a problem: i've got a ethernet PCI card (unex na012) and on the netboot CD when i choose the ne2k-pci driver, it just goes back to the driver list - how am i meant to do the net install then? |
| 21:03.38 | abrotman | mhall: nope .. just you |
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| 21:03.50 | poppor | I got a kernel panic saying that it can't find /sbin/init .. what should I do ? |
| 21:03.52 | mhall | abrotman: ? hmm |
| 21:03.52 | woodwizzle | nkuttler, hehe, i guess so. Never tried it though! Wow thats cool! |
| 21:03.54 | MikkelK | Can i mount for example hda1/home as /home? |
| 21:04.05 | mhall | abrotman: I'm going to have to investigate this a bit. |
| 21:04.08 | woodwizzle | nkuttler, thanks, it was unstable not sid in my sources.list file |
| 21:04.14 | abrotman | mhall: try to reconnect .. see if it fixes it |
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| 21:04.38 | nkuttler | MikkelK: mount --bind |
| 21:05.07 | mhall | abrotman: No it's been doing this for a _LONG_ time. |
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| 21:05.08 | mhall | abrotman: Weeks. |
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| 21:05.29 | abrotman | mhall: you suck? :) |
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| 21:05.42 | mhall | gsnedders: Please tell me which install disk you have tried. |
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| 21:05.56 | nimak | mmm, mouldy pears |
| 21:06.01 | mhall | shining: I haven't heard back from you yet. |
| 21:06.01 | gsnedders | mhall: x86 netboot stable |
| 21:06.03 | abrotman | moldy ? |
| 21:06.17 | nimak | i just bit into one |
| 21:06.18 | mhall | gsnedders: I hate to ask but are you sure it's stable? |
| 21:06.23 | abrotman | gsnedders: technically .. you can ignore the net part . continue install .. and get a base system |
| 21:06.24 | gsnedders | mhall: yeah |
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| 21:06.45 | mhall | gsnedders: Also, probably would not hurt to look on another terminal with Alt+FKeys and run lsmod. |
| 21:07.02 | mhall | gsnedders: Maybe it happily inserted the module. |
| 21:07.03 | poppor | has anyone seen that before? |
| 21:07.03 | assink | argg fucked up X |
| 21:07.04 | assink | heh |
| 21:07.13 | mhall | abrotman: ! On the net CD? |
| 21:07.27 | mhall | abrotman: I did not think it included these files, rather downloaded them. |
| 21:07.28 | abrotman | mhall: the netinst .. yes .. you can install with no net .. you just get the base .. |
| 21:07.42 | abrotman | mhall: the BC requires you to have network |
| 21:07.42 | assink | netinstall is beautifull |
| 21:07.43 | mhall | abrotman: Ah, and what does business card include? |
| 21:07.48 | mhall | abrotman: nm! |
| 21:07.55 | abrotman | mhall: the installer .. and a kernel :) |
| 21:07.58 | shining | mhall: hmm its just a laptop lcd, 1024x768@60 I think |
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| 21:08.00 | whitehorse1 | Does anyone know of a site with KDE 3.4.3 (KDE stable just released) backport? (to Etch) I'm using KDE 3.4.1 at the moment from the debian-desktop.org site; it works well. I'm envious of distros using the newest KDE stable already though! :) Don't want to leave Debian tho. |
| 21:08.09 | abrotman | whitehorse1: ask #debian-kde |
| 21:08.14 | mhall | shining: Probably easiest just to edit the configuration file. |
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| 21:08.15 | abrotman | whitehorse1: you should know that :) |
| 21:08.22 | abrotman | !xmd5 |
| 21:08.22 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 21:08.23 | shining | mhall: it worked at start, I think its because I had refresh value in the config file |
| 21:08.28 | mhall | shining: I'll give you a working one for a 1600x1200 screen with typical keyboard and mouse. |
| 21:08.33 | mhall | shining: Then you can edit it. |
| 21:08.36 | shining | mhall: then I ran dpkg-reconfigure, and I lost the value |
| 21:08.38 | gravity | xmd5 is sooooo dead in testing and unstable |
| 21:08.45 | whitehorse1 | abrotman: oops God yeah. I should've remembered I've been in there before as well |
| 21:08.47 | abrotman | gravity: is it!?!?!? |
| 21:08.48 | mhall | shining: hmm let's see |
| 21:08.52 | gravity | It is |
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| 21:09.08 | gravity | abrotman: Heh. Thank daniels. |
| 21:09.11 | shining | mhall: you don't have the same horiz and vert sync then |
| 21:09.17 | gravity | I just made it work a bit better, but it was his doing. |
| 21:09.22 | mhall | shining: hmm |
| 21:09.32 | abrotman | gravity: he's not here .. DDs don't dare enter the wild west! |
| 21:09.37 | gravity | heh |
| 21:09.39 | assink | hm, xserver-xorg was gone and xfonts-base |
| 21:09.43 | assink | and i didnt remove them |
| 21:09.49 | shining | mhall: how can I find working value? I've them for the external lcd, but its never given for internal laptop lcd |
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| 21:11.07 | mhall | shining: Yeah let's see. I would use horizontal sync 31.5 to 50 |
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| 21:11.12 | Gnurdux | the prob with Ardour is that it has no notation editor |
| 21:11.14 | mhall | shining: Refresh 60 |
| 21:11.20 | shining | mhall: there are maybe standard freq for 1024@60 |
| 21:11.24 | mhall | shining: Res 1024x768 |
| 21:11.33 | shining | mhall: vert sync? |
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| 21:11.40 | G2 | needed amd64, not ia64. doh! |
| 21:11.52 | ziom | jackd is cool |
| 21:11.53 | mhall | shining: I just gave you the standard ones for 640x480 to 1024x768. Vertical refresh/sync should be 60. |
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| 21:11.59 | ziom | but i got one problem: |
| 21:12.04 | abrotman | Gnurdux: rosegarden no good ? |
| 21:12.10 | mhall | shining: With horizontal refresh 31.5 to 50. |
| 21:12.13 | ziom | i can only use one application of the same type |
| 21:12.14 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i couldn't remember which had notation |
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| 21:12.32 | ziom | gnudrux: i found that rosegarden is for doing samples... |
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| 21:12.46 | ziom | gnudrux: does this mean sequenzing? |
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| 21:13.06 | ziom | gnurdux: rosegarden useses midi files |
| 21:13.30 | mhall | shining: Here's a list of the VESA ones for a typical FP (the one I have). |
| 21:13.32 | mhall | shining: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/2001fp/EN/specs.htm |
| 21:13.53 | mhall | shining: Just ignore the ones outside your resolution range. The others are the typical VESA flat panel values. |
| 21:14.16 | ziom | gnurdux: u can do nicer samples with hydrogen |
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| 21:14.41 | mhall | shining: Then set horiz to allow refreshes from the minimum res you need to the max. And set vert to 60 since you have an FP. |
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| 21:15.50 | shining | mhall: vert accept one value ? |
| 21:16.20 | shining | mhall: hmm ok, thanks. I'll try that |
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| 21:18.54 | mhall | shining: yeah you can hard-code one value and it always seems to work on all of the fp's i tried |
| 21:19.09 | mhall | shining: one emachines laptop, one acer 64-bit laptop, and this dell fp on my desktop |
| 21:19.33 | mommer | Hi. I upgraded yesterday from woody to sarge, and the mysqld daemon crashes on startup. It says that probably it has been linked against the wrong library. Any ideas? |
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| 21:20.07 | Azar | mommer after upgrade, what kernel version are you using? |
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| 21:20.17 | mommer | 2.6.11.something |
| 21:20.22 | Azar | oh shit |
| 21:20.24 | poppor | I don't get it.. how do you access your box with a CD = |
| 21:20.25 | poppor | ? |
| 21:20.35 | Azar | mommer /me backs off from the question then |
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| 21:20.41 | ziom | anybody know how to use jack on the same application parralel? because on differernt progs it works fine... |
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| 21:20.53 | nkuttler | mommer: hm, did you read the release notes and follow the instructions? |
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| 21:20.55 | pshaggy | why are some kernels linux-image and others are kernel-image? |
| 21:20.57 | The-Fikr | HI |
| 21:21.03 | mommer | Azar, which is unfortunate. |
| 21:21.11 | mommer | nkuttler, as far as I can tell, yes. |
| 21:21.19 | mommer | Everything else seems fine, btw. |
| 21:21.28 | ziom | pshaggy: beacuse they diifer but do not aks me in what ^^ |
| 21:21.36 | LeeO_22 | Hi |
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| 21:21.46 | bop1 | where is the apropriate init script to load modules? |
| 21:21.53 | mommer | postfix, apache, cvsd, .... even mailman. |
| 21:22.02 | nkuttler | mommer: doesn't sound like something that should happen in stable. checked the bts? |
| 21:22.23 | mommer | what is the bts? |
| 21:22.30 | nkuttler | mommer: /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:22.32 | gravity | !bts |
| 21:22.32 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 21:22.56 | nkuttler | bop1: man 5 modules? |
| 21:23.15 | bop1 | nkuttler thanks |
| 21:23.18 | shining | mhall: I get : Screen found, but none have an usable configuration |
| 21:23.25 | elno | hi, when i start my debian box, the eth0 acording ifconfig is working, but when i do ping to my box from remote location there is no response to the box, but from the box when i try to ping from the box to outside the network STARTS working! , as this is a server i need to admin remotely so ill be unable to be at the box phisicly, thanks in advance |
| 21:23.26 | Azar | ziom are you refering to editing audio ? |
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| 21:23.43 | mommer | nkuttler, I'll check. Thanks. |
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| 21:24.18 | Menoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.23 | poppor | elno: firewall ? |
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| 21:25.15 | shining | does anyone have a working config file for a 1024x768 laptop? |
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| 21:25.29 | elno | poppor: no we are not using firewalls |
| 21:25.47 | nkuttler | shining: google laptop name+linux+install |
| 21:26.00 | LeeO_22 | I have a problem with HDD... |
| 21:26.13 | poppor | elno: if you can ping out but not in then something is blocking it |
| 21:26.23 | Azar | mommer, I backed off because 2.6.11 is not a stable/sarge kernel so it is a no mans land for me |
| 21:26.24 | LeeO_22 | can anyone help me? |
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| 21:27.18 | ziom | "error: previous declaration of 'irapp_thread' was here" |
| 21:27.39 | ziom | do any one know a hacker with the name: er: irapp_thread? ^^ |
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| 21:27.49 | mommer | Azar, woody worked just fine with that kernel. |
| 21:27.57 | shining | nkuttler: I would rather have firefox for doing that |
| 21:27.58 | elno | poppor: elaborating better, when i turn on the box the eth0 seems to be stucked (no response from outside), but when i do a simple ping yahoo.com from inside the server, the eth0 starts working in and out normally, the problem is , i cant be doing ping yahoo.com all the time , due i live 300m from the server |
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| 21:28.08 | ziom | i just want to compile xmms from sources ... |
| 21:28.12 | Azar | mommer, I never dared to force woody to such a higher kernel, UNLESS I jumped to sid |
| 21:28.17 | nkuttler | shining: ... |
| 21:28.29 | bop1 | modprobe.conf is parsed by modprobe? |
| 21:28.42 | bop1 | and if i load a module that is listed there it gives it the written alias etc? |
| 21:28.52 | bop1 | or its being read by an init script that loads modules accordingly? |
| 21:28.54 | jorfro2005 | Ok Hi, I absolutely cannot get my Xserver running in Debian (Sarge), I tried messin' around with XF86Config-4 forever and a few buddies of mine tried helping me out |
| 21:28.55 | Azar | mommer with woody I stood with the supported 2.4.x then when I upgraded to Sarge I picked the highest supported there, the 2.6.8 |
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| 21:29.07 | jorfro2005 | I have an Acer Ferrari, with a ATI Mobility x700 |
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| 21:29.18 | mommer | "InnoDB: remove old data files which contain your precious data!" # /me loves sound advice :-) |
| 21:29.40 | shining | nkuttler: what? |
| 21:29.43 | nkuttler | jorfro2005: can't you just use the vesa driver? |
| 21:29.48 | ziom | jofro: you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-XF86config(-4) do not know exactly??? |
| 21:30.01 | mommer | Azar: this is a strange setup, because it is a UML. The kernel is statically linked with module loading diabled. |
| 21:30.04 | jorfro2005 | yeah we tried vesa |
| 21:30.06 | elno | alo? |
| 21:30.12 | nkuttler | shining: apt-get install links2 |
| 21:30.28 | fbi | gravity: you still around? |
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| 21:30.40 | Azar | mommer I have no idea how a 2.6.11 kernel behaves in Sarge, nor its module options/settings |
| 21:30.45 | shining | nkuttler: ... |
| 21:31.07 | ziom | jofro: why use vesa when you have Acer Ferrari, with a ATI Mobility x700 (altouth it sound more than a car not a card) |
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| 21:31.16 | jorfro2005 | lol yeah i know |
| 21:31.19 | jorfro2005 | I tried vesa |
| 21:31.23 | mhall | shining: There is probably some other error in the output; keep looking. |
| 21:31.25 | jorfro2005 | originally i tried ATI |
| 21:31.34 | jorfro2005 | I tried vga, vesa, ati, etc |
| 21:31.43 | jorfro2005 | just messed around for a while, looked on google and forums, etc |
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| 21:31.59 | elno | ok, how can i boot a daemon or a program to activate the eth0 (something like ping yahoo.com) ?? |
| 21:32.04 | jorfro2005 | didn't try the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-XF86Config(-4) tho |
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| 21:32.18 | nimak | contrib = non-free dependancies? |
| 21:32.20 | ziom | jofro: who made this ferrari? |
| 21:32.21 | nkuttler | jorfro2005: xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:32.28 | nkuttler | nimak: yes |
| 21:32.28 | srw | Upgrade from 2.6.8 to 2.6.12 stock kernels hangs at ide-cd with interrupt lost error... Any ideas? |
| 21:32.29 | fbi | jorfro2005: that won't work anyway, there is no server-XF86Config(-4) package. |
| 21:32.34 | fbi | !drx |
| 21:32.34 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:32.34 | jorfro2005 | Acer |
| 21:32.52 | nkuttler | jorfro2005: /msg dpkg ati debs, not sure if they support your card though |
| 21:32.53 | shining | mhall: hmm yes sure, there is the other one I keep having for a few days |
| 21:32.53 | ziom | fbi: I mean conifg or config4 |
| 21:33.00 | ziom | fbi: .... |
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| 21:33.07 | elno | help? |
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| 21:33.10 | shining | mhall: actually, I installed debian because of that. and here it's again... |
| 21:33.16 | SerajewelKS | i rebooted and ^C ^D ^Z etc still don't work |
| 21:33.19 | jorfro2005 | dpkg- i just used nano to edit the configs |
| 21:33.24 | ziom | jofro: cannot select ACER? |
| 21:33.27 | beardy | elno: /msg dpkg ask |
| 21:33.29 | cal | i've had alot of trouble with video card compatability for the last two days |
| 21:33.41 | nkuttler | jorfro2005: dpkg is a bot |
| 21:33.41 | fbi | jorfro2005: dpkg is a bot, if you edited your config you need to fix it |
| 21:33.42 | nimak | why is this in contrib? http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/ipw2200-source |
| 21:33.47 | fbi | !xmd5 |
| 21:33.47 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 21:33.50 | shining | mhall: vm86(Ã ) scall generated signal 4. how could such a thing help a normal user? |
| 21:34.14 | cal | i managed to get X running eventually, but now firefox won't run |
| 21:34.23 | cal | and links2 -g isn't much fn :p |
| 21:34.37 | Azar | cal if you got nvidia, it is easy to configure, if you have ATI and/or other cards, it will be a little hard |
| 21:34.41 | ziom | hmm this dpkg bot in this channel is very intelligent i must say, fbi ^^ |
| 21:34.45 | shining | cal: indeed |
| 21:35.01 | beardy | elno: Edit /etc/network/interfaces, 'man 5 interfaces'. |
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| 21:35.33 | SerajewelKS | why would CTRL+ keys not be working on a VC? |
| 21:35.42 | cal | he problem is, previously, i hadn't had much experience with text-terms and compiling etc was alot of learning |
| 21:35.47 | Overfiend | elno: I'll bet you get some very enteraining misdirected /queries |
| 21:36.05 | Overfiend | entertaining, even. |
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| 21:36.11 | jorfro2005 | Thanks for the help , i wrot ethat down |
| 21:36.16 | jorfro2005 | how do you copy in paste throo IRC?? |
| 21:36.17 | ziom | fbi: how can a bot do support? |
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| 21:36.34 | fbi | ziom: it's not my bot, *shrug* |
| 21:36.39 | cal | im getting some weird gtk error with firefox, anyone know any common cause? |
| 21:36.41 | shining | why the hell did it work at start |
| 21:36.51 | MrBallZ | What would be the correct fstab entries, for a sda device ( usb external drive ) , so normal user can mount it, unmount it, RW privileges , .... |
| 21:36.56 | whitehorse1 | are chats in #debian logged, on ze information superhighvay? in the past I've seen lots've webpages of IRC sessions in search engine results. not necessarily freenode ones tho |
| 21:37.07 | whitehorse1 | idle curiosity. |
| 21:37.11 | beardy | elno: Then restart the networking. '/etc/init.d/networking restart' |
| 21:37.33 | mhall | shining: what I mean is, read /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 21:37.40 | wm3t | MrBallz: /dev/sda1 /thumbdrive auto noauto,rw,user 0 0 |
| 21:37.42 | mhall | shining: and look for lines containing (EE) |
| 21:37.45 | wm3t | is what I use |
| 21:37.46 | elno | beardy: ok, following your instructions |
| 21:37.51 | beardy | whitehorse1: Out of 798 things here, someone probably does. |
| 21:38.08 | shining | mhall: thats the 2 EE I have |
| 21:38.24 | ziom | lol everyone who i bot please inform me^^ |
| 21:38.34 | shining | mhall: signal 4, and none usable screen configuration |
| 21:38.43 | MrBallZ | wm3t: mmmmm, i think I have tried that allready ... and doesn't work ... it keeps saying only root can mount ... |
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| 21:38.58 | ziom | shinging your posting looks like if you are a bot, is it true? |
| 21:39.02 | Azar | MrBAllz, use sudo |
| 21:39.15 | ziom | ^^ |
| 21:39.18 | SerajewelKS | grr |
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| 21:39.31 | SerajewelKS | why me |
| 21:39.41 | wm3t | MrBallz: that is what i use, cp from fstab |
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| 21:39.54 | wm3t | i mount it as /thumbdrive |
| 21:39.57 | ziom | serajewelKS is a bot too, i never had doubt ^^ |
| 21:40.07 | SerajewelKS | !lart ziom |
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| 21:40.24 | ziom | it is just a auto respone ^^ |
| 21:40.26 | whitehorse1 | beardy: *nod. I assumed some people'd log since it's a safe assumption. wondered if it was commonly known whether someone posted logs somewhere type've thing eg bob every tuesday on imaginarywebsite.net |
| 21:40.44 | Menoz | join #bedomenoz |
| 21:40.45 | Menoz | JOIN #bedomenoz |
| 21:40.47 | SerajewelKS | so anyway yeah.. i'd like to be able to use CTRL+C in the near future |
| 21:40.48 | shining | omg linux sucks |
| 21:41.06 | Overfiend | Menoz: maybe some of us don't WANT to go to bed with your noz. |
| 21:41.09 | walterbrunswick | hello |
| 21:41.20 | fbi | shining: reinstall windows then. |
| 21:41.34 | shining | fbi: omfg, windows suck infinitely more |
| 21:41.37 | SerajewelKS | #$%& |
| 21:41.41 | cal | shining: we noticed |
| 21:41.42 | walterbrunswick | Are we supposed to get a shitload of segfaults when installing Debian CD netinst? |
| 21:41.52 | shining | what am I going to do then :p |
| 21:41.57 | fbi | shining: then don't sit here complaining about debian. 1,000,000,000,000 other users have X working fine. |
| 21:42.09 | beardy | elno: Do you get your network information via dhcp? Or have you got a static ip-adress? |
| 21:42.11 | cal | shining: try DOS |
| 21:42.12 | walterbrunswick | fbi, my X didn't work! |
| 21:42.13 | shining | where did I complain about debian? |
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| 21:42.23 | cal | ;) |
| 21:42.28 | fbi | shining: are you running debian? |
| 21:42.32 | whitehorse1 | Menoz: If that's a clonebot channel you're advertising (see freenode site) you'll get kickbanned. |
| 21:42.37 | bop1 | modprobe.conf is parsed by modprobe? |
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| 21:42.41 | bop1 | or its being read by an init script that loads modules accordingly? |
| 21:42.43 | beardy | shining: Stop trolling. |
| 21:42.45 | shining | cal: actually I would prefer linux without X |
| 21:43.00 | shining | beardy: wtf are you talking about? |
| 21:43.08 | beardy | shining: You. |
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| 21:43.13 | cal | shining: except that you have to use links2 |
| 21:43.16 | mommer | Is there a way to paste stuff to this channel? |
| 21:43.18 | shining | fbi: yes I am, I switched from another distrib because X was broken |
| 21:43.34 | mommer | shining, what distro was that? |
| 21:43.35 | fbi | mommer: use #flood or a paster |
| 21:43.40 | walterbrunswick | fbi: X is broken for me too. |
| 21:43.50 | fbi | walterbrunswick: X log errors? |
| 21:43.59 | mommer | fbi: just join #flood and paste the stuff? |
| 21:44.00 | shining | fbi: it started working nicely with debian, then I changed xorg.conf a bit for setting up xinerama, and since then it fails |
| 21:44.11 | shining | mommer: does it matter? |
| 21:44.11 | walterbrunswick | No. gdm wouldn't run. |
| 21:44.18 | ziom | fbi: can u make more than 2 channels in mixxx? |
| 21:44.21 | SerajewelKS | shining, do you have an nvidia card? |
| 21:44.30 | fbi | shining: what do you expect, it's xorg. next you're gonna tell me you used backports and you're running on sarge. |
| 21:44.31 | shining | SerajewelKS: no, its an i810 chipset |
| 21:44.35 | mommer | shining, well, perhaps I want someone to look at it :-) |
| 21:44.37 | ziom | serajwelKS: i have a geforce |
| 21:44.42 | Azar | shining, maybe you whine about linux because you are not able to figure out and configure a decent X server and a desktop? |
| 21:44.46 | mommer | ah that. No, probably not. |
| 21:44.46 | MikkelK | Can i mount for example /home/ from hda1 as /home on my hdb? something like /dev/hda1/home ? |
| 21:44.51 | walterbrunswick | SerajewelKS, I have an nVidia... |
| 21:44.53 | fbi | walterbrunswick: gdm has nothing to do with /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 21:45.03 | ziom | serajwelKS: there is really good HOWTO in the net how to install nvidia on your box.. |
| 21:45.07 | SerajewelKS | walterbrunswick, did you try to set up twinview also? |
| 21:45.12 | ziom | serajwelKS: want it? |
| 21:45.13 | shining | fbi: ? |
| 21:45.18 | danieldg | MikkelK: use a symlink |
| 21:45.19 | SerajewelKS | ziom, no thanks, i have it working |
| 21:45.25 | walterbrunswick | I didn't do anything except try to get Debian running. |
| 21:45.29 | shining | Azar: haha, yes I never had xorg working |
| 21:45.29 | ziom | serajwelKS: ok |
| 21:45.41 | shining | Azar: I barely know what it is |
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| 21:45.46 | walterbrunswick | gdm would not run. |
| 21:45.47 | wm3t | shining: what type of machine is it? |
| 21:45.49 | beardy | MikkelK: Yes, but not like that. 'man mount', mount /dev/hda1 /home, but you do that in your /etc/fstab, so read 'man fstab' too. |
| 21:45.52 | SerajewelKS | ziom, i asked shining because xinerama isn't the way to do it on nvidia. oh and please spell my nick correctly, thanks. |
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| 21:45.57 | shining | wm3t: a centrino laptop |
| 21:46.02 | walterbrunswick | No I don't have the log files right now, because I was installing it on a different HD. |
| 21:46.23 | elno | beardy: no its static ip |
| 21:46.23 | fbi | walterbrunswick: no one can diagnose your issues with X without knowing the actual errors. |
| 21:46.28 | wm3t | shining: same here. dell inspiron 8600 w/ centrino chip and running xorg |
| 21:46.37 | shining | Azar: there is a real bug somewhere, I just don't know why it seems to be quite randomly |
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| 21:46.42 | MikkelK | danieldg, so first i mount /dev/hda1 to /mnt/ and then make a synlink /mnt/ -> /home ? |
| 21:46.56 | walterbrunswick | It had something to do with XFree86 |
| 21:46.58 | whitehorse1 | To be brutally honest, the Debian Installer and/or debconf should either configure the X server adequately or attempt at least to guide users into sensible options. |
| 21:47.02 | shining | Azar: you are using sarge? |
| 21:47.04 | ziom | fbi: what about multi channels with mixxx? |
| 21:47.11 | fbi | ziom: what about it? |
| 21:47.14 | shining | hmm err |
| 21:47.21 | SerajewelKS | whitehorse1, i agree.. nvidia twinview is a bitch to set up if you don't know what you're doing |
| 21:47.22 | shining | wm3t: you are using sarge? |
| 21:47.25 | Azar | shining, yes but I am using the XFree86 , not Xorg. |
| 21:47.27 | ziom | fbi: i see just 2 channels can i add some more? |
| 21:47.32 | danieldg | MikkelK: /home -> /mnt/home (I'm assuming /dev/hda1 has a directory called 'home' on it |
| 21:47.35 | fbi | ziom: the mixxx options are pretty self-exlpanatory |
| 21:47.42 | shining | Azar: how do you know xorg is the problem? |
| 21:47.45 | wm3t | shining: sure enough |
| 21:47.45 | fbi | ziom: yes, of course |
| 21:47.51 | ziom | fbi: ok |
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| 21:48.07 | Azar | shining xorg just came up few months ago, I do not see any rush to install it RIGHT NOW |
| 21:48.11 | fbi | ziom: that's the whole point of qjackctl |
| 21:48.13 | cal | whitehorse1: that can be annoying; see Fedora |
| 21:48.36 | cal | fbi: who named that program anyway ;) |
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| 21:48.48 | ziom | do anybody joined this channel with kirc?? |
| 21:48.54 | fbi | cal: no idea, it's a great app and that's all i know |
| 21:48.54 | shining | Azar: it came up earlier than a few months ago, and it always worked perfectly, and it still works perfectly |
| 21:49.06 | shining | Azar: I think its rather a breakage with gcc |
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| 21:49.10 | Azar | there is absolutely nothing wrong with XFree86, it works ok, I got desktop, sound, background imaging, sound, player... why would I need xorg right now? |
| 21:49.13 | ziom | i want to put this channel as default load, can i do it? |
| 21:49.15 | MikkelK | danieldg, That was also what i ment, i just didn't express myself right |
| 21:49.20 | ziom | have it on startup? |
| 21:49.35 | Azar | shining, personally I do NOT NEED xorg. |
| 21:49.38 | MikkelK | danieldg, that's just a long way to go... I thought there would be an easier way |
| 21:49.39 | elno | beardy: ?? |
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| 21:50.23 | Azar | I use common sense: watch movies on TV or on my DVD player, play games on a console, no need for my Debian box to do all that stuff. |
| 21:50.42 | fbi | Azar: ditto. i have zero need for xorg. |
| 21:50.57 | fbi | xorg locks up on my testing box just by running opengl apps |
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| 21:51.14 | shining | Azar: I don't see how that's related, but n/m |
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| 21:51.28 | cal | is there any reason why xf86 can't watch dvds and play games? |
| 21:51.32 | Azar | now they come up with telephones that are all-in-one: camera, tv, movie and music player, I doubt though they can substitute public restrooms as well |
| 21:51.44 | fbi | cal: xfree86 plays dvds perfect. |
| 21:51.58 | dondelelcaro | cal: uh... programs that run under xf86 do both of those fine here... |
| 21:52.11 | beardy | elno: Yes? |
| 21:52.17 | Azar | they want to use xorg to impress the chicks |
| 21:52.24 | mommer | Hm, installing mysql-server-4.1 doesn't help either. Crap crap crap. |
| 21:52.33 | ziom | ok folks i m outa, irc is great help if someone does not know any futher..:) |
| 21:52.38 | shining | Azar: tell the dev |
| 21:52.41 | cal | exactly; i watch dvds, movies wine and quake all on xf86 |
| 21:52.52 | ziom | bye all |
| 21:52.55 | cal | bye |
| 21:53.17 | Azar | when Debian stable will fully support xorg, then I will install and use it. |
| 21:53.32 | nimak | how can i set a partition to type a0? |
| 21:53.47 | jdhutchin1 | Azar, which won't be until etch is released, a long time from now |
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| 21:53.54 | cal | Azar: what advantages does x.org have? |
| 21:54.02 | nimak | so i can use my laptops suspend-to-disk feature |
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| 21:54.24 | nkuttler | nimak: fdisk |
| 21:54.42 | nimak | thanks |
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| 21:55.50 | beardy | elno: Add this to your /etc/network/interfaces (\n means a new line): auto eth0\n iface eth0 inet static\n address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\n netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx\n Replace the x:es with the correct information of course. |
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| 21:56.05 | whitehorse1 | cal: Xorg has the advantage of better supporting or just supporting period, my ati radeon 9600 pro |
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| 21:57.12 | cal | whitehorse1: oh, i see. sorry, im semi-new and its not very obvious what the difference are |
| 21:57.25 | whitehorse1 | trying to coax xfree86 into working with it was painful |
| 21:57.38 | whitehorse1 | cal: It's cool. I'm newish myself. 8) |
| 21:57.54 | Gnea | since overwrite is the only proper method that'll work with it... |
| 21:57.55 | fbi | cal: 3D acceleration |
| 21:58.23 | whitehorse1 | fbi: 'cept for ati's ;) |
| 21:58.24 | beardy | Gnea: Which burning program are you using? |
| 21:58.33 | Gnea | beardy: growisfs/mkisofs |
| 21:58.34 | cal | does xf86 have no 3d acceleration? oh |
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| 21:58.42 | Gnea | er, growisofs |
| 21:58.57 | cal | with a gf6600, i suppose i ought to try and go for that :p |
| 21:59.29 | beardy | Gnea: In which package is that? |
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| 21:59.41 | mirak | hi |
| 21:59.51 | mirak | how to set an application as suid root ? |
| 21:59.59 | Gnea | i can blank it alright with that method - growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=/dev/zero but it doesn't detect any size boundaries and will just keep going. if i want to automate it, i want to be able to pass the size limit off to it so that it won't take the time to zero the whole disk out (thus wasting time) |
| 22:00.03 | SerajewelKS | moreon, chmod +s /path/to/binary |
| 22:00.05 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 22:00.10 | SerajewelKS | s/moreon/mirak/ |
| 22:00.21 | elno | bearly: # The primary network interface auto \n eth0 iface eth0 inet static \n address 666.988.510.10 \n netmask 255.255.204.0 \n network \n 666.988.510.0 \n broadcast 666.988.511.255 \n gateway 66.988.510.1 \n |
| 22:00.22 | xwolf | cal: for decent 3d you need nvidias binary only drivers in both cases |
| 22:00.22 | Gnea | beardy: dvd+rw-tools |
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| 22:00.37 | xwolf | doesnt really matter if its xorg or xf86 |
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| 22:00.41 | SerajewelKS | elno, 666? that's not a byte |
| 22:00.52 | elno | beardy: thats the content, actually the interface works properly after the first ping |
| 22:01.01 | mirak | SerajewelKS: ok, so for exemple if I put rm as suid a user can erase everything right ? |
| 22:01.09 | elno | beardy: the first ping from the server |
| 22:01.13 | unisib | hello |
| 22:01.21 | elno | SerajewelKS: ip altered for sec reasons |
| 22:01.22 | SerajewelKS | mirak, i'm not sure. i've not tinkered with setuid symantics. |
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| 22:01.30 | jojo_man222 | hi.. I've installed kernel 2.6 .. and it says "Kernel panic: init tried to kill itself" after "unable to find /dev/console from init".. i think the problem is related to the fact i have sata hard drive.. any ideas? |
| 22:01.35 | cal | xwolf: I have those, and i was looking over an ubuntu-forums thread where people are getting 10k fps on glxgears. i get 2k. think this could be why? |
| 22:01.39 | SerajewelKS | elno, ah |
| 22:01.58 | serenity07 | !seen lilo |
| 22:01.58 | dpkg | lilo is currently on #debian (5m 55s). Has said a total of 998 messages. Is idling for 8d 5h 43m 24s |
| 22:02.04 | xwolf | cal: only 2k? |
| 22:02.14 | xwolf | cal: which window size |
| 22:02.16 | beardy | elno: Ok, so the interface already is configured? |
| 22:02.39 | xwolf | cal: i used to get 7k on my sturdy old gf4 |
| 22:02.50 | cal | im getting 3.9 atm |
| 22:02.52 | whitehorse1 | cal: Nvidia'ness on Linux = a) drivers 3.2. |
| 22:02.52 | whitehorse1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.52 | whitehorse1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.58 | beardy | elno: Or what do you mean.. Does it work now? |
| 22:03.04 | whitehorse1 | Christ. Stupid Clipboard |
| 22:03.07 | cal | xwolf: window size? |
| 22:03.50 | xwolf | cal: yep, since glxgears is fillrate limited, window size matters in this case |
| 22:03.57 | aimtrainer | hi does any1 know an nfo-viewer? |
| 22:04.01 | whitehorse1 | cal: er ignore most of that, I was going to say as well as the nvidia binary drivers there's nvidia kernel modules. not that you have to use both necessarily of crse |
| 22:04.22 | SerajewelKS | wow, skype for linux sucks |
| 22:04.32 | nimak | i imagine it would |
| 22:04.35 | Gnea | skype sucks |
| 22:04.35 | SerajewelKS | sucks as in "sucks big sweaty balls" |
| 22:04.38 | Azar | jdhutchin1, I am patient, my Debian Sarge goes nicely with XFree86, and cal, x-org for me has the great advantage of teaching how to deal with challenges on your own, high learning curve, disadvantage: requires lots of free time in order to get that experience and knowledge. |
| 22:04.44 | xwolf | SerajewelKS: why? |
| 22:04.44 | Gnea | rofl |
| 22:04.45 | cal | xwolf: im not changing the window size, should i? (how?) |
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| 22:04.55 | SerajewelKS | xwolf, how about "it doesn't work at all?" |
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| 22:05.17 | xwolf | SerajewelKS: "works for me (tm)" ;) |
| 22:05.19 | Gnea | SerajewelKS: yeah, i don't like the fact that it doesn't allow one to control output of the mic at all |
| 22:05.20 | whitehorse1 | SerajewelKS: Isn't it the same as on Windows though? Vaguely at least. Should be if it's at v1.2 |
| 22:05.23 | petemc | aimtrainer: cat, vim, emacs, anything capacble of displaying text |
| 22:05.24 | multi_io | why does rpc.nfsd run with fuid==fgid==nobody, preventing it from doing many file operations on the server? |
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| 22:05.41 | xwolf | Gnea: it controls the input gain of the mic automatically |
| 22:05.48 | cal | xwolf: switching to fullscreen i get 400 fps |
| 22:05.48 | multi_io | what is the FUID/FGID, anyway? |
| 22:05.49 | Gnea | xwolf: and terribly at that |
| 22:05.50 | aimtrainer | petemc no those dont show aascii art |
| 22:05.51 | MrBallZ | What would be the correct fstab entries, for a sda device ( usb external drive ) , so normal user can mount it, unmount it, RW privileges , .... |
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| 22:05.56 | SerajewelKS | xwolf, regardless of whether any other program is using any audio output device, it won't make any sound and freezes when i try to close it |
| 22:06.00 | petemc | aimtrainer: they dont? |
| 22:06.10 | SerajewelKS | whitehorse1, windows does not have OSS or ALSA, so no it's not the same at all |
| 22:06.14 | aimtrainer | no not like nfo viewers for win |
| 22:06.16 | nimak | iv noticed, most non-free programs created by windows-centric companies usually suck |
| 22:06.19 | Gnea | teamspeak gives you the option of either activating the mic with voice control, or holding down a key to talk |
| 22:06.20 | elno | beardy: 1. when i turn on the box, all "looks" fine. 2. ping from outside doesn respond, neither ssh, nothing all death 3. from inside the box, phisicly when i do a "ping yahoo" the networking service START workign NORMALLY 4. now i can conect via ssh, ftp, etc |
| 22:06.24 | xwolf | SerajewelKS: then probably somethings broken with your sound settings :) |
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| 22:06.26 | nimak | for linux, anyways |
| 22:06.28 | aimtrainer | w8 ill find u a screenshot |
| 22:06.34 | SerajewelKS | xwolf, fresh install of sarge |
| 22:06.44 | xwolf | SerajewelKS: what sound chip |
| 22:06.46 | whitehorse1 | SerajewelKS: Oh see what you mean. Well... it doesn't seem like a Skype problem but a KDE//Gnome one or general system one |
| 22:06.47 | SerajewelKS | xwolf, mpg123 can play out /dev/dsp with no problems... why not skype |
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| 22:06.52 | jojo_man222 | I've updated from 2.4 to 2.6. I'm using SATA harddrive. I get on boot init error. Kernel panic. Any ideas? |
| 22:06.55 | SerajewelKS | xwolf, AC'97 |
| 22:07.02 | Gnea | xwolf: that doesn't change the fact that skype is crap in general |
| 22:07.05 | beardy | whitehorse1: Did you answer your own question or what was that? |
| 22:07.08 | xwolf | SerajewelKS: thats no chip, thats some strange standart |
| 22:07.20 | SerajewelKS | whitehorse1, it's a skype problem. it has flaky OSS support, and no ALSA support. |
| 22:07.25 | beardy | whitehorse1: about selecting browser |
| 22:07.26 | Gnea | jojo_man222: yeah, reinstall |
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| 22:07.41 | SerajewelKS | xwolf, nForce2 AC'97 then |
| 22:07.43 | xwolf | Gnea: you know something that works better? cross platform? free? you're welcome :) |
| 22:07.47 | xwolf | eww nforce |
| 22:07.54 | aimtrainer | petemc here http://www.dsnine.co.uk/~gary/projects/nfoviewer/ |
| 22:08.01 | Gnea | xwolf: i already said it, you weren't paying attention? oops, your bad :) (teamspeak) |
| 22:08.03 | jojo_man222 | Gnea: reinstall what? |
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| 22:08.19 | Gnea | jojo_man222: debian - there's a 2.6 option that will detect your sata drive |
| 22:08.20 | aimtrainer | that one should run on linux too but I dont get it installed 8[ |
| 22:08.24 | xwolf | now teamspeak really sucks |
| 22:08.30 | beardy | elno: Ok, that sounds strange.. |
| 22:08.30 | Gnea | no it doesn't |
| 22:08.32 | Gnea | it actually works |
| 22:08.35 | Gnea | and it's free |
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| 22:08.40 | whitehorse1 | beardy: The long bit about not using konqueror in kde? Oh yep, sorry ignore that. I followed it with something like "Christ. Stupid Clipboard!". KSIrc seems to sync with X server's clipboard ...idiosyncratically |
| 22:08.42 | Gnea | unless you use it in a business sense |
| 22:08.44 | xwolf | you need a crappy server, the quality is terrible, and its buggy as hell |
| 22:08.54 | SerajewelKS | xwolf, skype isn't buggy as hell? |
| 22:09.03 | Gnea | xwolf: you are wrong. |
| 22:09.07 | beardy | whitehorse1: Ok, so you don't want to know how to select the default broser? |
| 22:09.14 | jojo_man222 | Gnea: well, I'fve installed it from aptitude.. nobody asked me about sata... |
| 22:09.17 | beardy | browser |
| 22:09.29 | Gnea | jojo_man222: but you just said sata |
| 22:09.38 | whitehorse1 | beardy: It was a response for someone else on a forum. | Ah no, I'm good thank you. On default browser selection at least :) |
| 22:09.45 | jojo_man222 | Gnea: yes, i have sata hard drive |
| 22:09.51 | xwolf | Gnea: not really, i use skype on a daily basis and it hasnt failed me ever |
| 22:09.51 | beardy | whitehorse1: Ok :) |
| 22:10.02 | jojo_man222 | Gnea: that's why it doesn't work.. it doesn't mount the fs |
| 22:10.03 | Gnea | jojo_man222: yeah so you need a 2.6 kernel. it's gonna remap it to a scsi device |
| 22:10.20 | jojo_man222 | Gnea: and how to do that? |
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| 22:10.28 | Gnea | jojo_man222: it does it automagically |
| 22:10.31 | SerajewelKS | xwolf, and i know i'm not alone on this issue -- just read the skype forums |
| 22:10.43 | Gnea | xwolf: then you're the only exception. |
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| 22:10.47 | xwolf | Gnea: and for ts, well. usually you hardly understand anything because you either have to manually tell it that you talk, or you get broken sentences |
| 22:10.51 | jojo_man222 | Gnea: but it doesn't work !.. :( |
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| 22:11.18 | Gnea | xwolf: i'd rather manually tell it, that way i know wtf is going on instead of getting mixed messages |
| 22:11.39 | SerajewelKS | has anyone heard of the SWISS protocol (some UDP encryption crap) and would anyone have a link to specs of any kind? |
| 22:11.42 | Gnea | jojo_man222: like i said: reinstall |
| 22:11.42 | gravity | People seem to be pretty excited about SIP as an alternative to skype |
| 22:11.47 | xwolf | Gnea: thats the point, in skype you won't get them, quality is actually better than telephone |
| 22:11.53 | Gnea | jojo_man222: when you do, use linux26 |
| 22:12.02 | xwolf | at least in my case obviously :) |
| 22:12.05 | eln1 | beardy: sorry i got crashed |
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| 22:12.10 | SerajewelKS | xwolf, in my case there is no such thing as quality |
| 22:12.17 | xwolf | but i guess i'm just lucky with my soundhardware |
| 22:12.26 | SerajewelKS | probably |
| 22:12.33 | xwolf | SerajewelKS: get a decent soundcard |
| 22:12.42 | Gnea | xwolf: the problem is that skype doesn't give you the control that teamspeak does, plain and simple. if you're used to it, then great. but you're arguing a losing battle. |
| 22:12.58 | SerajewelKS | xwolf, i should not have to get a new soundcard to make skype work. every other OSS-based app i have works with no problems. |
| 22:13.00 | xwolf | Gnea: if your happy with ts, why not. i sure hate it |
| 22:13.08 | xwolf | SerajewelKS: then don't use it |
| 22:13.18 | SerajewelKS | xwolf, i don't have much of a choice, do i? |
| 22:13.18 | eln1 | how can i program to make a short ping , at debian boot? |
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| 22:13.28 | xwolf | SerajewelKS: telephone? |
| 22:13.31 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: this is not a skype channel. If skype doessn't work, complain to the eejits who made it. |
| 22:13.40 | jojo_man222 | Gnea: hmm.. I think i lost you. Let's try it step by step. I'm now in sarge with kernel 2.4. I used aptitude to download and install kernel 2.6. What to do now? |
| 22:13.42 | SerajewelKS | xwolf, i would like to use skype but apparently they're too lazy to implement ALSA |
| 22:13.49 | Gnea | xwolf: i've noticed that my sound hardware was not up to date to run skype. i feel that is a bad thing. thus, skype will never get my $ |
| 22:14.01 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, we can't discuss linux software? i'm just following the conversation. |
| 22:14.05 | Gnea | jojo_man222: what's your root device set to? |
| 22:14.09 | xwolf | SerajewelKS: well, that could be because alsa switches their api on a daily basis |
| 22:14.38 | whitehorse1 | xwolf: Except not. |
| 22:14.40 | jojo_man222 | Gnea: /dev/hde3 |
| 22:14.41 | SerajewelKS | xwolf, well shucks, let's abandon alsa then |
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| 22:15.01 | gravity | Is ALSA still doing that? I thought they'd stabilized by now. |
| 22:15.01 | Gnea | jojo_man222: again, 2.6 turns the sata drive into a scsi device. 2.4 thinks it's ide. |
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| 22:15.16 | Gnea | xwolf: not on a debian system they're not |
| 22:15.17 | xwolf | SerajewelKS: i'm not saying it sucks, its far better than oss in any thinkable way, but well |
| 22:15.37 | ducky | where can I get what version of debian I'm using? |
| 22:15.40 | ducky | I forgot |
| 22:15.43 | SerajewelKS | xwolf, if it's better than alsa... well, you follow the logic |
| 22:15.46 | gravity | ducky: /etc/debian_version |
| 22:15.47 | SerajewelKS | s/alsa/oss/ |
| 22:15.47 | jethro | SerajewelKS: you can use "aoss skype" with the latest skype |
| 22:15.48 | Gnea | ducky: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:15.48 | jojo_man222 | Gnea: Ok.. so i guess it's /dev/sta(something) |
| 22:15.59 | Gnea | jojo_man222: no, that's scsi tape |
| 22:16.01 | jethro | it doesn't segfault anylonger (at least here) |
| 22:16.09 | Gnea | jojo_man222: it'd be /dev/sd(something) |
| 22:16.10 | SerajewelKS | jethro, no i can't |
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| 22:16.18 | xwolf | SerajewelKS: it's better by design, but not necessarily by implementation |
| 22:16.19 | jojo_man222 | Gnea: how can i know? |
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| 22:16.26 | Gnea | jojo_man222: which is why i say: reinstall sarage from scratch using the linux26 method |
| 22:16.37 | whitehorse1 | cat: /etc/debian/version: No such file or directory grins |
| 22:16.40 | beardy | !www-browser |
| 22:16.40 | dpkg | To choose/change the default browser (in the debian alternatives system), run (as root) 'update-alternatives --config www-browser' Also ask me about "update-alternatives" and "alternatives". |
| 22:16.52 | Gnea | jojo_man222: it's probably in dmesg when the kernel boots, but you probably don't read it and the kernel panic probably won't let you scroll back to read it |
| 22:17.05 | aimtrainer | can any1 here tell me plz how to install a *.jar file? |
| 22:17.08 | bop1 | whitehorse1 i think its /etc/version |
| 22:17.12 | xwolf | Whitman: have you ever programmed something for alsa? |
| 22:17.15 | bop1 | whitehorse1 i think its /etc/debian-version |
| 22:17.16 | SerajewelKS | jethro, artsdsp does, but not aoss |
| 22:17.16 | bop1 | that is |
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| 22:17.22 | whitehorse1 | Gnea: But then it's only at 2.6.8 rather than 2.6.12 so udev'll still cause its usual havoc |
| 22:17.30 | jojo_man222 | Gnea: but i don't wont to loose all my installations... |
| 22:17.31 | gravity | whitehorse1: debian_version |
| 22:17.39 | Gnea | whitehorse1: but 2.6.12 isn't in sarge |
| 22:17.44 | xwolf | umm, whitehorse1 that was |
| 22:17.52 | Gnea | whitehorse1: and udev isn't up to that version in sarage |
| 22:17.52 | whitehorse1 | gravity: Ah yes. |
| 22:17.54 | Gnea | sarge |
| 22:17.56 | xwolf | my nick completion failed me :) |
| 22:17.57 | gravity | :-) |
| 22:18.00 | jethro | SerajewelKS: and other than that, both alsa and aoss work? |
| 22:18.03 | Gnea | whitehorse1: FIRED!!! |
| 22:18.05 | eln1 | i guess im lost case |
| 22:18.10 | whitehorse1 | Gnea: Ah ok np. Lucky Sarge users! |
| 22:18.15 | SerajewelKS | jethro, aside from the fact that aoss segfaults, it works |
| 22:18.22 | Gnea | eln1: yeah go kill yourself while you still can |
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| 22:18.43 | jethro | SerajewelKS: it segfaults with everything? (sorry if you already mentionned it, and I jumped in late) |
| 22:18.49 | gravity | eln1: Why are you a lost case? |
| 22:18.50 | eln1 | comon its just |
| 22:18.57 | Gnea | !tell eln1 about rules |
| 22:18.59 | Gnea | !tell eln1 about ask |
| 22:19.01 | SerajewelKS | jethro, it segfaults with the latest skype. i haven't tried anything else, because everything else works. |
| 22:19.09 | SerajewelKS | s/works/works without aoss/ |
| 22:19.24 | jethro | SerajewelKS: 1.2.0.17 ? |
| 22:19.25 | ducky | Any other Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 users running Samba 3.0.14a-Debian having problems with there shares after these latest windows hotfixes? |
| 22:19.25 | whitehorse1 | debian_version claims I'm using testing/unstable. I'm using etch. I deny all knowledge of attempting to fix the glic corruption by following the advice in the bts of using sid's readline |
| 22:19.30 | SerajewelKS | jethro, yes |
| 22:19.31 | Gnea | ok, well obviously no one knows anything about working with DVD+RW's here |
| 22:19.34 | gravity | eln1: You want to have a program ping something at boot? Put a script to do it in /etc/init.d and create the appropriate symlink to it in /etc/rcS.d |
| 22:19.36 | firepow | I see lots of packages for Debian firewalls: firehol mason fiaif ferm etc ... any recommendations for something easy/automatic/simple |
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| 22:19.41 | jethro | weird, it stopped segfaulting with the latest here |
| 22:19.53 | jethro | SerajewelKS: I have no idea then :) |
| 22:19.54 | Gnea | beardy: or did i miss something you said? |
| 22:19.56 | pikkmadar | qwe |
| 22:19.57 | eln1 | gravity: 1. when i turn on the box, all "looks" fine. 2. ping from outside doesn respond, neither ssh, nothing all death 3. from inside the box, phisicly when i do a "ping yahoo" the networking service START workign NORMALLY 4. now i can conect via ssh, ftp, etc. Of course i cant travel to the box locations to make a simple ping to fix the problem, maybe i can program to make a short ping at startup boot (how to?) |
| 22:19.58 | jojo_man222 | Gnea: So how can i find what is the device file for the sata and boot from it? |
| 22:20.00 | whitehorse1 | firepow: iptables? |
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| 22:20.10 | beardy | aimtrainer: Just put it where you want it, in your users homedir, under ~/bin perhaps. A jar file is an renamed zip file, which you execute with a java vm, you don't unpack/install it. Read /topic for java information. |
| 22:20.27 | Gnea | jojo_man222: you're just going to have to read the 2.6 kernel messages as it boots and determine from that |
| 22:20.31 | multi_io | this channel is too big. |
| 22:20.33 | shining | hmm ok, the xorg bug isnt that crazy finally. I think it only happens with xorg >= 6.8.2 compiled with gcc 4, using 2 screens with an i810 chipset :) the thing is, once I try to run xorg on the 2 screens, it fails, and even if I revert to one screen only, xorg still fails to start. |
| 22:20.36 | gravity | eln1: Weeeeird.... try what I suggested |
| 22:20.40 | Gnea | jojo_man222: i mean, it's probably /dev/sda<whatever> |
| 22:20.42 | SerajewelKS | jethro, i take that back. since arts does not like full duplex, i can't talk in skype. |
| 22:20.52 | Gnea | jojo_man222: so if it's /dev/hde1 for your root device, it'll probably be /dev/sda1 |
| 22:20.53 | shining | thats why I thought it was totally silly at start, but finally it isn't |
| 22:21.02 | serenity07 | !seen candle |
| 22:21.02 | dpkg | candle <i=lisa@067.a.002lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 20h 20m 30s ago, saying: 'stew: hello'. |
| 22:21.03 | Gnea | jojo_man222: the partitions stay the same |
| 22:21.12 | beardy | multi_io: It's smaller than it was a few minutes ago :) |
| 22:21.16 | jojo_man222 | Gnea: ok.. i'll go try.. thanks ... |
| 22:21.17 | whitehorse1 | shining: what was your fix for it then? |
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| 22:21.23 | SerajewelKS | jethro, err, now it likes full duplex |
| 22:21.25 | Gnea | jojo_man222: good luck |
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| 22:21.31 | jojo_man222 | Gnea: :) |
| 22:21.35 | shining | whitehorse1: none, I don't know if it's that easy |
| 22:21.50 | firepow | whitehorse1: ok, I'll take a look at iptables |
| 22:21.54 | Gnea | that fucking bot is back |
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| 22:22.33 | shining | whitehorse1: I already found in which case it happens, and how to reproduce it, so I could make a bugreport if it isnt already done :) |
| 22:22.38 | SerajewelKS | jethro, hrm.. duplex is half-quality though |
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| 22:22.41 | whitehorse1 | forward slash imaginary kickban dpkg to appease Gnea |
| 22:22.51 | aimtrainer | beardy thx |
| 22:22.53 | aimtrainer | ill try |
| 22:23.10 | whitehorse1 | shining: Do check the BTS please and submit if new in that case :) |
| 22:23.19 | beardy | aimtrainer: also /msg dpkg jar, but it's not that helpful.. |
| 22:23.32 | aimtrainer | beardy how do I make run java the file |
| 22:23.32 | gravity | shining: Your bug is with xorg, right? |
| 22:23.35 | gravity | shining: i810 driver? |
| 22:23.40 | aimtrainer | sry 4 my eng |
| 22:23.44 | shining | whitehorse1: hmm I thought about checking xorg bugzilla |
| 22:23.45 | shining | gravity: yes |
| 22:23.56 | gravity | shining: Did you have any issues with xfree86? |
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| 22:24.12 | thecoolestcow | hey, any way i can allow my default user (not root) to access mounted filesystems? |
| 22:24.15 | aimtrainer | how do i make jvm make run the file |
| 22:24.16 | shining | gravity: I don't know, I don't use xfree86 anymore for ages |
| 22:24.20 | whitehorse1 | http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/jar/basics/ |
| 22:24.23 | gravity | shining: How did you install Xorg? |
| 22:24.25 | aimtrainer | dammit |
| 22:24.33 | aimtrainer | how do i make jvm run the file |
| 22:24.38 | whitehorse1 | shining: Yep, what gravity said |
| 22:24.39 | aimtrainer | now i got it right ;) |
| 22:24.39 | shining | gravity: with etch, its installed by default |
| 22:24.44 | Menoz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:24.50 | gravity | shining: Did you ever install X from sarge on that machine? |
| 22:24.56 | manu | hola a todos |
| 22:25.17 | whitehorse1 | shining: Then either file in Debian's BTS or file it in xorgs 'zilla with a link in the bug to the debian bts bug. |
| 22:25.18 | manu | alguno abla español |
| 22:25.21 | gravity | !es |
| 22:25.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:25.27 | Nurbs | oh! unstable's got initramfs-tools... gotta try it on my new kernel :) |
| 22:25.38 | shining | gravity: hmm no, I think its the first time I install debian on it, but it would definitively works |
| 22:25.39 | beardy | aimtrainer: I'm not exactly sure.. but I guess you run it something like 'javavmname jarfile.jar' Read what the link whitehorse1 said. |
| 22:25.39 | thecoolestcow | is it possible for a default user, a non superuser, to access mounted filesystems, like /mnt/hda1? |
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| 22:25.55 | shining | whitehorse1: hmm ok |
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| 22:26.12 | gravity | shining: So you never ran sarge, you just went straight to etch? Ok... would you mind trying the xorg packages in experimental? |
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| 22:26.33 | aimtrainer | ah yea thx didn't realize that line (the one with the link) was for me ^^ |
| 22:26.37 | whitehorse1 | shining: to save me glancing over at the website, what's the xserver-org version in etch by default replacing xfree86 now then? is it 6.8.2? |
| 22:26.39 | gravity | shining: That's the 6.9rc0 release. The i810 driver in etch was backported from HEAD and may have a bug or two that are fixed in that version |
| 22:26.41 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to have ALSA emulate a MIDI device by using timidity as a sampler? |
| 22:26.59 | Nurbs | "klibc-utils (>= 1.0.14-1ubuntu2)" interesting dependencies for a debian package :) |
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| 22:27.36 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- anyone run openvpn? |
| 22:27.44 | beardy | !anyone |
| 22:27.44 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:27.47 | shining | gravity: hmm ok, I'll try once I find out how to do so |
| 22:27.53 | shining | whitehorse1: yes |
| 22:27.53 | whitehorse1 | Nurbs: Heh, post about it to the debian mailing list for amusing oddities |
| 22:27.55 | gravity | shining: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 22:28.04 | shining | gravity: thanks |
| 22:28.15 | gravity | shining: If it doesn't work, you can go back to the etch version without too much trouble using aptitude |
| 22:28.18 | SexyKen | dpkg -- I know you're just a bot and all -- but I'm asking their overall opinoin on openvnp -- so be coo dog, be coo. |
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| 22:29.11 | cheal | Nurbs: which one? |
| 22:29.25 | shining | gravity: I can use only xorg from experimental, right? |
| 22:29.27 | Nurbs | cheal: initramfs-tools |
| 22:29.29 | gravity | shining: The rc1 version will be released by X.Org in the coming few weeks too, and it'll have a few more i810 fixes too. I'll be putting that one in to experimental as well. |
| 22:29.37 | gravity | shining: What do you mean? |
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| 22:29.55 | SexyKen | I was thinking about installing openvpn on my linksys. |
| 22:30.34 | cheal | Nurbs: ah. you can see the reasons in the maintainers |
| 22:31.01 | whitehorse1 | gravity: Since I have the same error as him, and I'm using Xorg 6.8.2 from debian-desktop.org (using them for kde 3.4.1 & required xorg 6.8.2 wasn't in etch when I set it up), should I attempt to use adjust apt-get to use debian.org's Xorg 6.8.2 (xserver-xorg etc) version instead? |
| 22:31.10 | Nurbs | cheal: yes, it was primarily developed on ubuntu from what I know. :) |
| 22:31.11 | shining | gravity: hmm, I'll just reboot to get X working again on single head, and read some debian docs, because I'm really a debian noob |
| 22:31.27 | cheal | Nurbs: also |
| 22:31.36 | gravity | whitehorse1: I don't know what they've got on that site, but I assume it's the same as what's in etch more or less |
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| 22:31.41 | gravity | whitehorse1: So it probably won't buy you much |
| 22:31.55 | whitehorse1 | Hmm if it's an xorg bug it'll be in etch's now I think of it yeah. |
| 22:31.57 | gravity | shining: Ok. Going to experimental isn't trivial by any means, so don't worry if you have trouble with it |
| 22:32.01 | cheal | Nurbs: the current consensus is to allow either that one or yaird or... |
| 22:32.05 | shining | whitehorse1: which gcc built your xorg version? |
| 22:32.11 | whitehorse1 | Best to wait until etch's xorg version increases I suppose |
| 22:32.17 | whitehorse1 | shining: I'll check. one sec |
| 22:32.26 | gravity | shining: I'm working to get updated Xorg in to etch as soon as it's released, so if you need to wait until then I'll do my best that you'll get the driver fast |
| 22:32.29 | shining | gravity: ok, I just hope I'll find some docs about it |
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| 22:32.35 | Nurbs | cheal: mhm. yaird currently works for me. don't know why I bother :) |
| 22:32.47 | gravity | Oooooh.... wait... |
| 22:32.48 | jorfro2005 | OK Hello, I'm installing Debian SARGE on My Acer Ferrari (ATI x700 vid card), I'm curious as to what i want to pick as my resolutions (depth) i want |
| 22:32.49 | mirak | why can't we really mount a samba share with gnome like it's feasible with smbmount ? |
| 22:32.49 | shining | gravity: that would be great |
| 22:32.56 | jorfro2005 | and i'm wondering what to use, whether it be ati, vesa, etc |
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| 22:32.57 | shining | gravity: what? |
| 22:33.02 | gravity | Hrm... never mind. |
| 22:33.04 | gravity | It should work. |
| 22:33.10 | gravity | Sorry. Brain fart. |
| 22:33.12 | douglas- | anyone know what the fix is for qmail-scanner on debian iwth the new suidperl? |
| 22:33.18 | jorfro2005 | any suggestions, before I could never get my Xserver to start |
| 22:33.22 | jorfro2005 | said something like "no screens found" |
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| 22:34.06 | gravity | jorfro2005: You should always check the log. That error message isn't too helpful. |
| 22:34.17 | gravity | jorfro2005: If you have troubles, I can help you figure out what they are from the log errors. |
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| 22:34.26 | fbi | jorfro2005: you were told like an hour ago. you need to fix your X config because you edited it, and then reconfigure X. |
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| 22:35.04 | jorfro2005 | ok i understand that i need to fix it and then reconfigure |
| 22:35.15 | fbi | jorfro2005: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 22:35.25 | jorfro2005 | but do i need to download those new drivers from ATI in order to even be able to boot into my xserver |
| 22:35.33 | gravity | jorfro2005: No you don't |
| 22:35.35 | thecoolestcow | any way to allow all users to view mounted filesystems, like /mnt/hda1? |
| 22:35.45 | gravity | jorfro2005: Don't use those drivers unless you really want to. If you do though, be prepared to have things break. |
| 22:35.59 | gravity | jorfro2005: But you definitely don't need them. The ones that came with X should be sufficient |
| 22:36.01 | jorfro2005 | ok thankyou, I"m just tryign to figure out why I could never get my Xserver to start in the first place |
| 22:36.15 | jorfro2005 | well actually i believe the server sstarts, just the screen doens't show up |
| 22:36.25 | gravity | jorfro2005: Right. It's misconfigured. |
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| 22:36.43 | jorfro2005 | ok so dpkg - reconfigure '''''' |
| 22:36.46 | jorfro2005 | after i fix the changes i made |
| 22:36.49 | jorfro2005 | ? |
| 22:36.52 | fbi | jorfro2005: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 22:36.52 | gravity | jorfro2005: Did you already fix the md5sum thing? |
| 22:37.02 | gravity | jorfro2005: If you don't do that, your dpkg-reconfigure won't take effect |
| 22:37.09 | jorfro2005 | right, i understand |
| 22:37.09 | gravity | (if you're in sarge or before) |
| 22:37.22 | jorfro2005 | ok i'll give it a shot |
| 22:37.26 | jorfro2005 | thanks ttyl |
| 22:37.38 | gravity | You can also do more hand editing, but it sounds like that'd be a bad idea for you |
| 22:37.46 | jorfro2005 | yeah i agree |
| 22:37.58 | jorfro2005 | see i'm in windows now |
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| 22:38.00 | whitehorse1 | shining: how to check gcc ver it was compiled wiht escapes me. but... I've just looked and found of the two available versions, whilst I was using debian-desktop.org's 6.8.2 I'm not anymore and am using the etch one. come to think of it my xserver worked fine before so I wonder if the switch to the debian repository version screwed anything up on my system |
| 22:38.06 | jorfro2005 | cuz i can never get my damn xserver to boot up |
| 22:38.20 | jorfro2005 | i even tried ubuntu the other day lol |
| 22:38.23 | jorfro2005 | still nothin worked |
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| 22:38.44 | gravity | whitehorse1: If all your troubles are with the dual-head and it works fine for other things, then it's not a repo switch issue |
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| 22:38.50 | gravity | whitehorse1: It really could just be a buggy driver |
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| 22:39.34 | whitehorse1 | gravity: nope the dual head aspect is fine. i mean it's doing the correct behaviour of agp'ing #1 & pci'ing #2. |
| 22:39.51 | gravity | whitehorse1: Oh? Then what's your bug? His bug was with dual head |
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| 22:40.07 | whitehorse1 | gravity: could be. odd that both were 6.8.2 though and one may've worked |
| 22:40.13 | fbi | gravity: is there _any_ way to enable direct rendering on a nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro], running XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 on sarge using the nv driver? |
| 22:40.22 | fbi | i'm getting one app that is moaning about it |
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| 22:40.25 | gravity | fbi: No, I don't think so |
| 22:40.31 | fbi | dammit! |
| 22:40.31 | gravity | fbi: Let me double check |
| 22:40.34 | fbi | cheers |
| 22:40.35 | tombs | hi all |
| 22:40.36 | gravity | whitehorse1: Wait, you're not making sense |
| 22:40.40 | gravity | whitehorse1: What's your exact bug? |
| 22:41.08 | gravity | fbi: Yeah, no dri at all on nv sadly |
| 22:41.16 | gravity | I wish though |
| 22:41.17 | bsims | Ok stupid question... newest udev wants to remove hotplug... fine. However coldplug isn't packaged and apt-cache show udev shows that udev depends on hotplug... |
| 22:41.31 | fbi | meh. i'm gonna have to buy a new graphics card too then |
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| 22:41.42 | fbi | i already have a huge list of hardware to buy |
| 22:41.45 | gravity | bsims: I have udev on hold for a month or so because I don't want to mess with that question :-p |
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| 22:42.11 | bsims | heh true |
| 22:42.24 | gravity | Play it smart. Just put it on hold |
| 22:43.00 | cheal | hehe |
| 22:43.18 | cheal | bsims: sid's udev doesn't depend on hotplug |
| 22:43.19 | zinx | bsims: shows it conflicts here |
| 22:43.57 | bsims | gravity: bear in mind that the devel at one point had udev depend on a kernel that wasn;t even in Debian at the time |
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| 22:44.13 | bsims | cheal: according to apt-cache show hotplug (>= 0.0.20040329-17) on sid here |
| 22:44.15 | gravity | bsims: I know. I don't trust what he's doing right now. |
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| 22:45.29 | cheal | bsims: $ apt-cache show udev; will show you udev's dependencies |
| 22:45.30 | gravity | whitehorse1: Is it about resetting debconf questions? |
| 22:45.35 | gravity | Or about a syntax error? |
| 22:45.46 | gravity | Both of those are fixed in svn and will be uploaded to unstable tomorrow... |
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| 22:46.32 | bsims | cheal: Package: udev Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libselinux1 (>= 1.24), hotplug (>= 0.0.20040329-17), initscripts (>= 2.85-16) , makedev (>= 2.3.1-77), sed (>= 3.95), lsb-base |
| 22:46.33 | cheal | gravity: can't you find anything other to say than "it will be fixed tomorrow"?! |
| 22:46.41 | gravity | heh |
| 22:46.58 | gravity | You can check it out yourself and build it and have it tonight! |
| 22:47.03 | gravity | WOOHOO |
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| 22:47.42 | session | 11 23 * * * rsync --delte-after -avz /mnt/windows /home/session/mp3 Does this delete the same files as I have deleted in /mnt/windows ? |
| 22:47.54 | cheal | bsims: for which "Version:"? |
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| 22:48.26 | bsims | Version: 0.070-2 |
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| 22:48.50 | bsims | as shown by apt-cache show... I could be missing something obvious |
| 22:48.54 | whitehorse1 | gravity: It was about not being able to connect to the Xserver. Example attempting to run an app via a console would err. Just tried it now and it worked though :( |
| 22:49.08 | cheal | bsims: that's etch's version. is that your release? |
| 22:49.16 | gravity | whitehorse1: Ah... that's a *very* different bug |
| 22:49.32 | gravity | whitehorse1: That would very likely have been caused by package mismatches and such, like an incomplete upgrade to Xorg |
| 22:49.38 | whitehorse1 | gravity: not a bug? |
| 22:50.05 | gravity | whitehorse1: Likely not |
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| 22:50.43 | dark__ | Hey I just installed Debian via the net_install cd and everything worked great, except I can only use 800x600 resolution |
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| 22:51.28 | Der | alles gutes! |
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| 22:51.41 | session | dark__: Go in your X86config file and change the values |
| 22:51.50 | bsims | sid AFiK |
| 22:52.41 | session | dark__: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 I think it is |
| 22:52.56 | walterbrunswick | net_install cd failed me terribly |
| 22:53.07 | whitehorse1 | :( |
| 22:53.09 | walterbrunswick | you have no idea how much a&f debian has caused me |
| 22:53.14 | walterbrunswick | :( |
| 22:53.17 | dark__ | session, Yes I have looked at that but the Driver="nv" should be correct as I have an Nvidia card |
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| 22:53.46 | cheal | dpkg: dvd |
| 22:53.46 | dpkg | dvd is probably use xine, vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss |
| 22:53.53 | cheal | dpkg: no, dvd is use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss |
| 22:53.53 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 22:54.05 | gary | I have a server and I am browsing files on it. I am using nautilus to do this. I would like to browse inside zipped up files. Is there a way to look inside them over a network? |
| 22:54.11 | gary | via ssh. |
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| 22:54.29 | Azar | session, on the XF86-config there is a list of resolutions: keep 800X600 as default for the terminals and also pick 1024X768 as preferred |
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| 22:55.01 | dark__ | session, Identifier "Generic Video Card" it doesnt see it as an nvidia |
| 22:55.08 | dark__ | Azar, Can you help also? |
| 22:55.09 | whitehorse1 | gravity: reinstall debian repositoried xserver-xorg, x11-common & xserver-common via apt-get/synaptic-frontend a solution? |
| 22:55.10 | Azar | sorry session, I meant dark_ |
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| 22:55.57 | dark__ | Azar, Okay but how can I make sure my driver is installed correctly, I want to install cedega in a few and play wow and other games |
| 22:56.15 | Azar | dark _ run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and pick the resolutions as I told above |
| 22:56.15 | gravity | whitehorse1: Just make sure all of the X packages come from the same place. All your X libs must be the same version too |
| 22:56.27 | Pixels- | gah everytime i try to use a 2.6 kernel it crashes at modprobe |
| 22:56.33 | Azar | dark_ is not the DRIVER, configure resolutions |
| 22:56.36 | dark__ | Azar It says Driver "nv" should that say vesa or something else? |
| 22:56.37 | Pixels- | at pci |
| 22:56.37 | Pixels- | =/ |
| 22:56.37 | gravity | whitehorse1: I don't know exactly what debian-desktop.org is shipping, so you'd have to know that sort of thing yourself |
| 22:56.48 | gravity | I've heard it's what's in etch, but I don't know that myself |
| 22:56.52 | gravity | They don't talk to me about it |
| 22:56.54 | Azar | dark_ : the resolution |
| 22:57.11 | Azar | dark_, "nv" is ok |
| 22:57.13 | orjan | gary: I use mc |
| 22:57.14 | Pixels- | err i mean hotplug |
| 22:57.19 | Pixels- | not modprobe |
| 22:57.21 | Pixels- | god im tired |
| 22:57.42 | dark__ | Azar, I know I just absolutely need the right driver or I wont be able to paly games |
| 22:58.02 | dark__ | Azar, It defaulted to vesa on the net_install but i picked NV should i change it back to vesa or not |
| 22:58.10 | Azar | dark_, if you have an nvidia driver "nv" is ok, I said add the resolution |
| 22:58.10 | gary | thanks orjan |
| 22:58.11 | whitehorse1 | All my Xserver packages are the official Deb dfsg.1-7 ones now, they've replaced the debian-desktop ones via apt-get. |
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| 22:58.40 | gravity | whitehorse1: What about all your libs? |
| 22:58.41 | dark__ | Azar, I know I am just making sure |
| 22:58.51 | whitehorse1 | I often get the impression debian-desktop.org is a one-person project. |
| 22:59.03 | gary | orjan: sorry, but I don't want to change filemanager, just want to have to ability to view inside .zip files? |
| 22:59.15 | gravity | I don't know much about it. It sounds like a good idea, but I don't know anything more than the ooooold announcement about it |
| 22:59.20 | elno | gravity: i want to make a script wich makes a ping yahoo.com, as it runs at boot, i want it stops inmediatly, otherwhise will get stucked, is there a command to abort the command ?? |
| 22:59.33 | dark__ | how much is 256mb in kb? |
| 22:59.39 | Azar | dark_ if you installed Sarge with the 2.6.8 kernel (the highest precompiled), then you go and install the nvidia driver ( ask dpkg here about nVidia one liner), then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and setup your resolutions |
| 22:59.46 | gravity | elno: Just use ping -c |
| 22:59.46 | elno | gravity: ive made the script you told me already, but gets stucked at boot the ping command |
| 22:59.48 | dark__ | 256000? |
| 22:59.54 | whitehorse1 | gravity: Heh. Oh sh**. |
| 22:59.55 | elno | orite gravi |
| 23:00.08 | vineet | dark__: echo $((256 * 1024)) |
| 23:00.11 | orjan | gary: I only use console tools over ssh so I can't help there |
| 23:00.21 | vineet | dark__: 262144 |
| 23:00.26 | gravity | whitehorse1: All your xlibs need to be the same version too |
| 23:00.38 | dark__ | vineet, Thank you very much |
| 23:00.47 | gary | no problem, thanks orjan |
| 23:01.08 | gravity | whitehorse1: Which is a lot of libs. |
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| 23:01.52 | gravity | whitehorse1: If *all* you need from etch is xorg, I highly recommend the backport to sarge |
| 23:01.56 | whitehorse1 | gravity: Only 3-4 libs are still from d-desktop though. xlibmesa3 and xlibmesa-dev both transitional packages and xlibmesa-glu and xlibmesa-glu-dev. Rest are all official Debian |
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| 23:02.00 | gravity | whitehorse1: It seems to work very well |
| 23:02.21 | javier_ | hi there |
| 23:02.36 | javier_ | do you speak only about debian? |
| 23:02.44 | Azar | gravity, I am highly interested , is it possible to go back from etch to sarge ? and if yes, how? |
| 23:02.45 | gravity | whitehorse1: I dunno... this sounds distinctly like a package mismatch issue |
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| 23:02.51 | gravity | Azar: No, not really. |
| 23:02.56 | FrustratedAdmin | home directories not being created with proper perms (adduser)...simple fix anyone? |
| 23:02.58 | Azar | gravity, ok thanks |
| 23:03.01 | whitehorse1 | gravity: Originally tried that route for some days. Attempted help from several people here. In the end I reluctantly went to testing. |
| 23:03.09 | gravity | Azar: If all you did was install a small set of packages though, you can just reinstall the sarge versions of those packages though |
| 23:03.14 | vineet | FrustratedAdmin: dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
| 23:03.26 | whitehorse1 | The norm backport I presume. Mmm, now that refused to play ball. |
| 23:03.26 | Azar | gravity, makes sense, thanks |
| 23:04.31 | holysmoke | anyone up for a harddrive question? |
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| 23:05.28 | cheal | holysmoke: anyone was right last time I saw it. but he left since |
| 23:05.31 | elno | well |
| 23:05.45 | elno | well thats was the most funny solution for that problem |
| 23:05.50 | elno | now its working thank you |
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| 23:06.02 | FrustratedAdmin | vineet: thanks...appreciated |
| 23:06.27 | gravity | No problem. |
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| 23:07.57 | BB | Is there a way to get apm running on a Dell D800? |
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| 23:08.43 | dark__ | Azar, I did as you said but I can still not select out of 800x600 rezolution |
| 23:09.35 | Azar | dark_ when you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 don't you get a resolution table to pick from? |
| 23:09.41 | dark__ | Azar, I did |
| 23:09.53 | elno | omg its working rofl |
| 23:09.54 | dark__ | Azar, And I selected what I wanted and rebooted the pc |
| 23:10.01 | whitehorse1 | seldct 1024x768 as lowest |
| 23:10.02 | dark__ | Azar, Once that was done that is |
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| 23:10.54 | dark__ | Azar, My only options are 800x600 and 640x480 |
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| 23:11.09 | Azar | dark_ you do not need to reboot the PC |
| 23:11.19 | mebsd | how to get my usb gamepad to work? |
| 23:11.30 | elno | thank you all guys LONG LIVE TO devian |
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| 23:11.34 | elno | debian |
| 23:11.47 | dark__ | Azar, Well would rebooting the PC make it not work? |
| 23:11.47 | mebsd | input: USB HID v1.00 Gamepad [Gravis Eliminator GamePad Pro] on usb-0000:00:10.3-2 i have it in kernel but can't use it in xmame |
| 23:11.57 | mebsd | i need to enable this shit |
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| 23:12.02 | SimonRaven | devian: the deviant debian ;p |
| 23:12.20 | Azar | hmm dark_ I am running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and at the Configureing xserver-xfree86 screen says: Choose the "best" resolution and refresh rate you believe your monitor is capable of: the 1024X768 IS THERE. |
| 23:12.33 | SimonRaven | mebsd: #xmame |
| 23:12.47 | Azar | the nexty screen invites you to omit resolutions YOU DO NOT WANT by tagging them. |
| 23:12.57 | mebsd | empty channel |
| 23:13.06 | mebsd | but how to use this gamepad |
| 23:13.07 | Azar | errr UN-TAGGING them |
| 23:13.18 | SimonRaven | oh, i thought they had a channel. sorry |
| 23:13.19 | dark__ | Azar, Okay what do I type again, Ill do it again |
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| 23:13.25 | whitehorse1 | dark__: no he meant you can just stop & restart the xserver. back to the configuration, do you have the gfx card details and monitor details available - ie vsync/hsync, supported resolutions etc? if so, choosing advanced option while configuring to specify settings might assit |
| 23:13.38 | ryan` | anyone know of a tool that allows creation of overlapping partitions? |
| 23:13.51 | ryan` | (Yes, I know what I'm doing) |
| 23:13.57 | SimonRaven | uh, why would you do that? |
| 23:13.59 | dark__ | whitehorse1, I can look it up online what do I need to know |
| 23:14.12 | ryan` | SimonRaven, I'm working on an embeded system |
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| 23:14.39 | SimonRaven | edit the partition map manually? ;p |
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| 23:14.51 | ryan` | I want to add metadata to the begining of a squashfs filesystem without explicet support in the squashfs driver |
| 23:14.53 | SimonRaven | no idea |
| 23:14.57 | SimonRaven | @tell root__ -about root |
| 23:15.05 | SimonRaven | ah ok |
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| 23:15.10 | whitehorse1 | dark__: general monitor specs. and basic details about the card, make of card and chipset that it uses are good to have. |
| 23:15.11 | ryan` | sfdisk won't let me do it, even with the --force option :( |
| 23:15.27 | SimonRaven | ryan`: a la s/w raid superblock in concept? |
| 23:15.43 | dark__ | whitehorse1, I know the card its a nVidia GeForce FX 5200 |
| 23:15.52 | dark__ | whitehorse1, A PCI 256mb card |
| 23:16.03 | ChrisTwo | Is it possible to use stuff like apt-get and apt-move in non-root userspace in a non-Debian distribution (assuming it can be built from sources) to grab a list of packages with their dependencies? |
| 23:16.03 | dark__ | whitehorse1, So the driver is the nv driver |
| 23:16.05 | Azar | dark_, the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is very easy to understand the configuration screens gives you explanations about any step you take, do not hurry, read and think about what you are about to configure and how |
| 23:16.08 | whitehorse1 | dark__: also, at the screen of selecting resolutions you do/don't want, heed the note about removing all being same as selecting all or somesuch |
| 23:16.16 | whitehorse1 | dark__: and its chipset? |
| 23:16.24 | gravity | That card may not be supported by xfree86... |
| 23:16.27 | gravity | I don't recall |
| 23:16.30 | dark__ | whitehorse1, No idea? |
| 23:16.32 | SimonRaven | ChrisTwo: some distros have apt-get already |
| 23:16.49 | dark__ | gravity, How can you not support a nVidia card? |
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| 23:17.00 | SimonRaven | simple ;) |
| 23:17.02 | gravity | dark__: The driver that shipped may not support that particular card |
| 23:17.08 | gravity | Make sense? |
| 23:17.11 | whitehorse1 | dark__: proprietary drivers, lack of developer support from mnfctrs etc. |
| 23:17.17 | dark__ | gravity, Even crappy gentoo I Just got rid of supported it :/ |
| 23:17.26 | Azar | what nVidia card does dark_ has? |
| 23:17.43 | whitehorse1 | dark__: he didn't all-out say debian didn't support it :p |
| 23:17.51 | Azar | ah, oh |
| 23:17.54 | dark__ | Azar, nVidia GeForce FX 5200 PCI |
| 23:18.01 | ChrisTwo | Hmm... it appears to be installed on these FC3 boxes. Any way to run them independently? |
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| 23:18.14 | Azar | I have nVidia GeForce MX/MX 400 mine works ok |
| 23:18.17 | SimonRaven | #fedora |
| 23:18.25 | ChrisTwo | (i.e. not affecting the real package setup, using different config files, etc.) |
| 23:18.56 | ChrisTwo | I'm looking to build a customised Debian CD, and figure that I might try and simplify the whole dependencies thing |
| 23:19.05 | Azar | dark_ did you tried installing the nvidia driver the debian way? |
| 23:19.18 | dark__ | Graphics Driver: Linux IA32 (from the nvidia site) would tha work? |
| 23:19.34 | dark__ | Azar, No I just got booted up I dont think my sound works but ill worry about that later |
| 23:19.34 | Azar | NO!! do not use the nvidia installer from their site |
| 23:19.57 | Azar | dark apply everything that dpkg tells you here: |
| 23:20.03 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
| 23:20.03 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 23:20.21 | cheal | !xine-ui |
| 23:20.21 | dpkg | [xine-ui] not-very-good(tm) try sinek, totem, or gnome-xine instead |
| 23:20.35 | Azar | make sure that your /etc/apt/sources.list file contains links that end in main non-free contrib |
| 23:20.41 | Azar | then do that entire line |
| 23:20.55 | SimonRaven | ChrisTwo: hint: jigdo maybe, or see the debian-installer guide for how to make your own. i don't think 'simplifying deps' is such a hot idea |
| 23:21.05 | dark__ | Azar, Umm I already started that line |
| 23:21.08 | cheal | dpkg: no, xine-ui is a X11 user interface to libxine. ask me about xine for alternatives |
| 23:21.08 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 23:21.13 | dark__ | Azar, I didnt check my sources.list |
| 23:21.18 | ChrisTwo | SimonRaven, what do you mean it's not such a hot idea? |
| 23:21.31 | dark__ | Azar, It says I can hit Y to continue should I or not? |
| 23:21.35 | Azar | check your sources.list make sure they end in main contrib non-free |
| 23:21.37 | ChrisTwo | I think it's much better than spending hours manually tracing the dependencies for every package I need to install |
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| 23:21.46 | dark__ | Azar, K hold |
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| 23:21.49 | Azar | hit N |
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| 23:22.33 | SimonRaven | meaning that they are there for a reason, and certain packages and dpkg itself manage to install pre-depends, etc. in a certai nway so it actually installs. i don't think you want to go messing with that. it works already |
| 23:22.43 | ChrisTwo | messing with what? |
| 23:22.46 | dark__ | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main ? |
| 23:23.03 | ChrisTwo | I'm not sure I'm following where this has some from ... |
| 23:23.09 | Azar | dark_ not that one the other one(s) |
| 23:23.22 | Azar | that is for security updates only |
| 23:23.37 | dark__ | deb ftp://mirrors.xmission.com/debian/ stable main |
| 23:23.42 | dark__ | deb-src ftp://mirrors.xmission.com/debian/ stable main |
| 23:24.01 | Azar | dark_ edit them by adding (with spaces) at the end contrib non-free |
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| 23:24.11 | ChrisTwo | I'm looking to build a custom CD with a small-ish set of packages, and would rather not look up each individual package and its dependencies. After all, that's the sort of task computers exist for. |
| 23:24.40 | dark__ | Azar, How many spaces? |
| 23:24.45 | fbi | dark__: it wouldn't hurt anything to add 'contrib non-free' to your security line also while you're in there |
| 23:25.07 | Azar | dark_ it should look like this: deb-src ftp://mirrors.xmission.com/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 23:25.13 | gravity | Ugh... I didn't have the xfree86 sources on my drive to check if the card is supported there |
| 23:25.50 | SimonRaven | ChrisTwo: ok, sec. brb, just that you're weren't very clear on what you meant at first, so i misunderstood |
| 23:26.03 | ChrisTwo | Oh, sorry :) |
| 23:26.07 | Azar | dark_ save the file then run: aptitude update then aptitude upgrade |
| 23:26.22 | Azar | after that do the nVidia one-liner as dpkg showed you |
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| 23:27.13 | SimonRaven | ChrisTwo: look up jigdo - it's made to do that kind of thing |
| 23:27.25 | dark__ | Azar, Okay It is going right now |
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| 23:27.57 | dark__ | Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. |
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| 23:28.13 | dark__ | deb-src ftp://mirrors.xmission.com/debian/ stable main contrib non-free right? |
| 23:28.19 | Azar | dark, what kernel version you have? |
| 23:28.51 | FreakOut | can someone help me get the nVidia drivers working |
| 23:29.09 | dark__ | Azar, How would I check :X |
| 23:29.11 | whitehorse1 | dark__: uname -a |
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| 23:29.25 | gravity | dark__: What's your driver name again? |
| 23:29.25 | dark__ | Azar, 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 23:29.27 | Guerin | FreakOut: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 23:29.27 | Azar | FreakOut, if you run Sarge with kernel 2.6.8 I can help if you run testing or sid or a higher kernel I have no idea |
| 23:29.31 | dark__ | whitehorse1, Thanks |
| 23:29.32 | gravity | dark__: Er... card |
| 23:29.40 | ChrisTwo | SimonRaven, hmm, the contents of the .jigdo file seem a little cryptic |
| 23:29.40 | Azar | bleh dark_ you need to do the kernel upgrade first |
| 23:29.54 | dark__ | gravity, nVidia GeForce FX 5200 PCI |
| 23:29.58 | Azar | so is not hard, do the kernel first, you need 2.6.8, what CPU you have? |
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| 23:30.01 | ChrisTwo | <seemingly-random string>=<package path> |
| 23:30.05 | dark__ | Azar, x86 |
| 23:30.17 | dark__ | Azar, i686 |
| 23:30.20 | SimonRaven | ChrisTwo: also, there's other ways... just don't recall ATM |
| 23:30.20 | gravity | dark__: Yeah, not supported by xfree86 in sarge |
| 23:30.31 | SimonRaven | !install guide |
| 23:30.32 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 23:30.42 | FreakOut | Im running 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic |
| 23:30.44 | gravity | dark__: If you want it, you'll have to use the xorg backport |
| 23:30.52 | dark__ | gravity, So I cant use this video card? |
| 23:30.52 | SimonRaven | ChrisTwo: ^^^ has more info |
| 23:30.53 | whitehorse1 | We all need the Woody Install Manual. Ah yes. |
| 23:30.54 | FreakOut | the problem is that i can't pass the rivafb sanity check |
| 23:31.13 | Azar | ok dark_ do a apt-cache search kernel to find out the exact kernel image you need |
| 23:31.14 | dark__ | gravity, I dont know what that is I just want my video card to work |
| 23:31.16 | gravity | dark__: You can, you just have to use the vesa driver |
| 23:31.23 | FreakOut | when i try to build the nvidia module using module-assistant |
| 23:31.24 | gravity | dark__: Or you can use the xorg backport packages |
| 23:31.36 | dark__ | gravity, Okay then which one is faster or which is more effective? |
| 23:31.42 | fbi | or he can upgrade to testing adn get xorg |
| 23:31.47 | fbi | s/adn/and/ |
| 23:31.48 | cheal | FreakOut: that shouldn't be a problem...unless it really is one :) |
| 23:32.01 | FreakOut | yea it won't finish the compile |
| 23:32.11 | whitehorse1 | dark__: Not with Xfree86, you'd need to use the vesa driver though. Or, use the Xorg backport in favour of Xfree86, which being newer supports your card a little better probably. www.backports.org I think? |
| 23:32.14 | gravity | dark__: I don't know. The backport tends to work well for people. I'd try that. vesa will work with what you have now though, so I'd try it first and see if it meets your needs. |
| 23:32.20 | cheal | FreakOut: I don't think it should do that with a stock kernel, although I don't know about amd64 |
| 23:32.30 | gravity | dark__: Just dpkg-reconfigure and choose the vesa driver. If you can't get that to do what you want, then go for the backport. |
| 23:32.34 | cheal | FreakOut: what does it say? |
| 23:32.45 | Tortel | !moo |
| 23:32.45 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:32.50 | Azar | gravity, he can do that running a 2.4.x kernel? |
| 23:32.53 | FreakOut | *** Failed rivafb sanity check. Bailing out! *** |
| 23:32.53 | FreakOut | > |
| 23:32.53 | FreakOut | > make[1]: *** [rivafb-sanity-check] Error 1 |
| 23:32.53 | FreakOut | > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv' |
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| 23:33.01 | gravity | Azar: Why not? |
| 23:33.05 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 23:33.06 | dark__ | gravity, So would the vesa driver be good for games and such, I will be installing WoW and many FPS |
| 23:33.51 | gravity | dark__: No. If you want to do that, you need the proprietary nvidia driver. |
| 23:33.51 | whitehorse1 | Night all. |
| 23:33.51 | Azar | gravity, I had no idea, I would only install nvidia driver after going up to 2.6.x |
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| 23:33.51 | SimonRaven | a baby penguin just cried :( |
| 23:33.52 | dark__ | gravity, That's what I want how do I do taht? |
| 23:33.52 | gravity | dark__: I can't help you with that part. |
| 23:33.52 | dark__ | gravity, Who can? |
| 23:33.52 | FreakOut | anyway |
| 23:33.52 | dark__ | gravity, What am I trying to do? |
| 23:33.52 | gravity | dark__: Not me. Sorry. |
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| 23:33.53 | Azar | dark_ I can't help you with xorg |
| 23:34.12 | FreakOut | i tried rm'ing the rivafb,ko file |
| 23:34.16 | FreakOut | *rivafb.ko |
| 23:34.20 | FreakOut | does nothing |
| 23:34.24 | dark__ | gravity, So now I am trying to install the proprietary nvidia driver? |
| 23:34.41 | Azar | dark_ myself I first go for the highest kernel Sarge offers; 2.6.8, then install the nvidia driver, then run xfree86-config thats all I know |
| 23:34.46 | gravity | dark__: No, that's what you need to do. You may have to do more than that. |
| 23:34.48 | FreakOut | so i did lsmod and rivafb isn't even loaded |
| 23:34.49 | SimonRaven | FreakOut: um, that just breaks things, and doesn't fix it. rebuilding your kernel does |
| 23:34.50 | gravity | dark__: I really don't know though |
| 23:35.10 | dark__ | Azar, Okay how do I go about doing that? |
| 23:35.30 | Azar | dark_ let me look exactly for what kernel you need one sec. |
| 23:35.42 | dark__ | Azar, Okay |
| 23:35.46 | FreakOut | so what should i do |
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| 23:37.06 | Azar | dark_ are you sure you use a i686 CPU? |
| 23:37.15 | Azar | or i386 ? |
| 23:37.26 | dark__ | Azar, uname -a says i686 |
| 23:37.35 | dark__ | Linux Zion 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:38.08 | Azar | dark ok then you go like this: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 23:38.18 | Azar | are you uising LILO or GRUB? |
| 23:38.23 | dark__ | grub |
| 23:38.24 | Tortel | lilo? |
| 23:38.30 | Tortel | whats that? |
| 23:38.50 | Azar | hmm ok I have no idea how grub works word goes it automatically gets the new kernel |
| 23:38.55 | Azar | so install the new kernel |
| 23:38.59 | Tortel | yes |
| 23:39.07 | Tortel | and grub will set that as default |
| 23:39.15 | Azar | do not hurry, read all screens and apply what is needed |
| 23:39.19 | Tortel | and you can choose to boot the older kernel too |
| 23:39.32 | SimonRaven | !lilo |
| 23:39.32 | dpkg | [lilo] the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of irc.freenode.net (who isn't named after the LInux LOader) |
| 23:39.40 | Azar | Tortel what is your issue? |
| 23:39.42 | dark__ | Azar, Okay aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 is now done |
| 23:39.44 | Tortel | nothing |
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| 23:39.56 | zoddan | hi |
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| 23:40.12 | zoddan | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 23:40.12 | zoddan | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 23:40.13 | zoddan | ? |
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| 23:40.24 | Tortel | i just said what i know about a new kernel and grub |
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| 23:40.54 | Azar | dark_ now reboot, I have no idea if grub took it but let's hope it did |
| 23:41.02 | dark__ | Azar, Okay brb |
| 23:41.05 | Tortel | probably did |
| 23:41.12 | Tortel | but gooo! |
| 23:41.20 | Azar | thank you Tortel, bye |
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| 23:41.44 | Tortel | :P |
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| 23:42.09 | zoddan | having problem with e2fsprogs |
| 23:43.09 | SimonRaven | just ask |
| 23:43.23 | zoddan | Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 23:43.44 | zoddan | when i run apt-get upgrade |
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| 23:43.57 | nkuttler | zoddan: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs |
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| 23:44.27 | carlinhos | since i apt-upgrade i have errors when login or su, may be a bug in the login package? |
| 23:44.49 | nkuttler | carlinhos: what errors? |
| 23:44.52 | carlinhos | CLOSE_SESSIONS |
| 23:44.58 | carlinhos | ENV_HZ |
| 23:45.02 | carlinhos | QUOTAS_ENAB |
| 23:45.04 | carlinhos | etc |
| 23:45.11 | zoddan | nkuttler: ? |
| 23:45.12 | zoddan | -bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
| 23:45.19 | nkuttler | zoddan: in this window |
| 23:45.23 | zoddan | ok |
| 23:45.45 | zoddan | ok? |
| 23:45.47 | zoddan | and ? |
| 23:45.58 | nkuttler | zoddan: read what dpkg tells you |
| 23:46.01 | zoddan | i have |
| 23:46.02 | Azar | it looks like grub did not worked for dark_, the misterious grub |
| 23:46.08 | zoddan | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.13 | zoddan | i dont runt stable |
| 23:46.15 | zoddan | so.. |
| 23:46.15 | ChrisTwo | SimonRaven: Wow - debootstrap has an obscenely small amount of documentation ... :/ |
| 23:46.21 | zoddan | run |
| 23:46.27 | zoddan | nkuttler: so how do i fix it ? |
| 23:46.33 | nkuttler | zoddan: if you don't run stable you should be smart enough to figure out what to do. |
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| 23:46.40 | zoddan | nkuttler: nope |
| 23:46.40 | SimonRaven | carlinhos: stop pasting, and go fix login.defs. you'll see ls -l /etc/login.defs* and you'll see a login.defs.dpkg-* there. if you haven't made any changes, just mv the .dpkg-new over to login.defs (make sure you have backups of the file first) |
| 23:46.43 | zoddan | nkuttler: im not |
| 23:46.45 | SimonRaven | ChrisTwo: yeh |
| 23:46.49 | zoddan | nkuttler: thats why im asking |
| 23:46.49 | nkuttler | zoddan: reinstall. use stable. |
| 23:46.49 | dark__ | Azar, Yes I know you're right Im wrong it was a 386 :X |
| 23:46.54 | zoddan | nkuttler: no thanks |
| 23:47.01 | zoddan | nkuttler: so i cant update ? |
| 23:47.03 | cheal | carlinhos: depends on which release you use |
| 23:47.12 | dark__ | Azar, Appologize 686 = no work |
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| 23:47.19 | nkuttler | hm |
| 23:47.28 | Azar | dark_ then you will have to do it again |
| 23:47.33 | carlinhos | SimonRaven, may be because y say no when dpkg ask me to install a new config file? |
| 23:47.36 | ChrisTwo | I suppose I can install just the base system, since I can always chroot in and grab a fuller set of debs later |
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| 23:47.43 | dark__ | Azar, Yes so then how do I do the 386? |
| 23:47.54 | nkuttler | zoddan: let me guess, you're running an old testing? |
| 23:47.54 | zoddan | nkuttler: so im stuck with what i have now ? |
| 23:47.59 | zoddan | nkuttler: no |
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| 23:48.03 | SimonRaven | carlinhos: yes |
| 23:48.10 | zoddan | nkuttler: im running unstable to get the newest versions |
| 23:48.10 | Azar | dark_ try then this: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 23:48.26 | nkuttler | zoddan: the bot told you two ways to fix it. |
| 23:48.28 | Azar | reboot and see what happens after that |
| 23:48.28 | carlinhos | well, thanks SimonRaven |
| 23:48.35 | zoddan | nkuttler: did it ? |
| 23:48.44 | SimonRaven | carlinhos: when you hit return, dpkg keeps your old one (default is n) so when you say y (yes), it installs the new one |
| 23:48.49 | zoddan | nkuttler: can only see one |
| 23:49.01 | nkuttler | !e2fsprogs |
| 23:49.01 | dpkg | well, e2fsprogs is http://bugs.debian.org/325834 |
| 23:49.05 | SimonRaven | carlinhos: it's right there when dpkg is installing it |
| 23:49.22 | nkuttler | hm, somebody changed it again |
| 23:49.43 | dark__ | Azar, Done & rebooting |
| 23:49.48 | SimonRaven | !factinfo e2fsprogs |
| 23:49.48 | dpkg | e2fsprogs -- last modified at Thu Oct 6 23:22:59 2005 by stew!n=stew@216.254.118.172; it has been requested 11 times, last by nkuttler, 47s ago. |
| 23:49.54 | Azar | ok dark_ |
| 23:49.56 | zoddan | nkuttler: i tested with "apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade" |
| 23:50.10 | zoddan | nkuttler: but when it runs the download it downloads apache2 and i dont use it |
| 23:50.14 | carlinhos | yes, yes, but, if i make dpkg-reconfigure loginn or --reinstall package why i cant select to create a new config file? SimonRaven |
| 23:50.15 | zoddan | nkuttler: i use 1.3 |
| 23:50.47 | zoddan | nkuttler: sry |
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| 23:51.53 | SimonRaven | carlinhos: because it stores what you chose. it's simpler to just mv or cp over the file if you changed your mind. often what i do is ask for a diff (difference) or run diff -uN old.file new.file myself, then do edits if need be |
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| 23:52.10 | zoddan | nkuttler: i forgott the "dist-" part :P |
| 23:52.50 | blorkk | anyone here have any experience setting up a debian box to be a simple IP forwarding router, no NAT ? |
| 23:53.03 | carlinhos | well, sounds logical |
| 23:53.54 | ChrisTwo | Any way to run debootstrap as not-root? |
| 23:54.24 | Tortel | !w00t |
| 23:54.24 | dpkg | w00t!!! |
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| 23:55.16 | dark__ | Azar, Doesnt work |
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| 23:55.28 | dark__ | Azar, It locks up and stops booting on the new kernel |
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| 23:56.52 | Azar | dark_ it sounds like a grub thing, I have no idea how grub gets the new kernel setting |
| 23:57.00 | Azar | ask some grub users here |
| 23:57.20 | Azar | the legend say that grub is fantastic, well I can't see that |
| 23:57.34 | dark__ | Azar, I mean it showed up and started booting but just stops something with lke A0 B0 30 D0 30 i dont remeber what it was but it was random |
| 23:57.39 | dark__ | Azar, And it was in sets of 2 |
| 23:57.44 | Azar | blorkk here is some http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 |
| 23:57.49 | fbi | i doubt it has anything to do with GRUB if his original kernel boots |
| 23:58.01 | Azar | dark_ your bootloader did not do its job |
| 23:58.03 | Azar | I use lilo |
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| 23:58.24 | dark__ | Azar, How do you figure the original works and it starts to boot the kernel |
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| 23:58.56 | fbi | dark__: does your original kernel actually boot? |
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| 23:59.05 | Azar | you could reinstall Sarge and chose linux2.6 at installation time, instead of bf24 or the default 2.4 kernel |
| 23:59.19 | fbi | bf24 in sarge? |
| 23:59.25 | dark__ | fbi, Yes I am in it now |
| 23:59.37 | fbi | dark__: how did you install, apt-get, aptitude, what |
| 23:59.37 | Azar | dark_ personally I am mad with grub so I have no idea how it gets fixed |
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| 23:59.53 | Azar | fbi he did aptitude install kernel image |
| 23:59.55 | fbi | Azar: LILO is old, and deprecated. |
