| 00:00.03 | fbi | ah ok |
| 00:00.06 | Azar | fbi, LILO works like a charm for me |
| 00:00.13 | dark__ | Azar, I am looking at the grub config it is set up exactly the same as the other |
| 00:00.14 | Azar | grub, not |
| 00:00.25 | fbi | Azar: i'm not saying LILO doesn't work. |
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| 00:00.47 | Azar | dark_ with lilo I edit the file and specify that there is a new kernel to boot, with grub I have no idea |
| 00:00.51 | fbi | dark__: it's not GRUB, the new kernel does not agree with your hardware for whatever reasons |
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| 00:01.15 | dark__ | fbi, Well then what do I do I need my graphics card working so I can ply games |
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| 00:01.50 | Azar | dark_ to reach to your graphics correctly you need the new nvidia driver installed and the new nvidia requires a better, higher kernel version |
| 00:01.55 | fbi | dark__: if it's _that_ important to you, download an etch net-install iso and use xorg but beware of broken packages. |
| 00:02.35 | carlinhos | polar bear dies |
| 00:02.39 | Azar | dark_ you can do a Sarge reinstall and specify you want a linux2.6 with it |
| 00:02.44 | dark__ | fbi, I used the net-install to install Debian |
| 00:02.55 | dark__ | Azar how long does that take and how do i doi t |
| 00:02.56 | happyb | you cant specify the arch type during install can you? |
| 00:03.00 | fbi | Azar: that doesn't solve his problem of xfree86 not havingthe correct driver for his card |
| 00:03.13 | fbi | he still needs xorg |
| 00:03.15 | Azar | fbi, he is too new to play etch/xorg |
| 00:03.25 | Azar | he will not handle all that challenge |
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| 00:03.41 | dark__ | Azar, ... I am not new to linux or unix I am new to Debian |
| 00:03.44 | fbi | Azar: i am aware of that, which is why i warned him about broken packages |
| 00:04.02 | gravity | Back then we didn't have to walk people through installing proprietary crap drivers |
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| 00:04.20 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 00:04.26 | Azar | dark_ you have two options: stay with stable, xfree86 and a 2.6 kernel, or go up to testing but be prepared for glitches |
| 00:04.28 | gravity | We had xbill damn it! |
| 00:04.52 | dark__ | Azar, No It seems I have 1 option |
| 00:04.55 | dark__ | Azar, Go to testing |
| 00:05.04 | Azar | ok go for it then |
| 00:05.07 | dark__ | Azar, If my video card isn't installed correctly then I dont want it |
| 00:05.14 | fbi | dark__: testing == etch |
| 00:05.17 | Azar | fbi has experience with it he might help you with stuff |
| 00:05.23 | fbi | that's what i meant by 'etch net install iso' |
| 00:05.36 | dark__ | fbi, So then what do I need to do? |
| 00:05.41 | cheal | gravity: why can't x windows play games? can't you just remove the X? |
| 00:05.56 | gravity | hehe |
| 00:06.03 | fbi | dark__: either you need to learn how to upgrade your system, or choose another distro that comes with xorg |
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| 00:06.37 | fbi | dark__: you could also use backports |
| 00:06.40 | ryan` | hmmm |
| 00:06.44 | dark__ | fbi, What is backports? |
| 00:06.58 | fbi | dark__: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 00:07.02 | fbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.08 | Azar | dark_ here is a main class to take: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 00:07.16 | gravity | Just go to testing |
| 00:07.18 | gravity | It'll be easier |
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| 00:07.27 | fbi | my thoughts exactly gravity |
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| 00:07.28 | gravity | Since you need the nvidia-glx package too |
| 00:07.47 | ryon | Okay, back with yet another dumb question... fstab tries to mount my SATA drives before they're available, so I have to mount -a everytime I boot up to use them. Any idea how to make it so that fstab will mount them? |
| 00:07.56 | Azar | wow, etch comes with the nvidia-glx ? nice |
| 00:07.59 | rafx | dark__: ubuntu 5.04 and 5.10 both have xorg |
| 00:08.11 | dark__ | rafx, wth is ubuntu? |
| 00:08.20 | beoba | a derivative of debian |
| 00:08.26 | fbi | !beer dark__ |
| 00:08.31 | ryon | it also comes with naked south africans! |
| 00:08.36 | SimonRaven | i'd rather have a card that's fully supported with free drivers... but i this is - as usual - a garbage find |
| 00:08.44 | SimonRaven | s/i // |
| 00:08.49 | gravity | SimonRaven: nv doesn't work for you? |
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| 00:08.54 | rafx | dark__: it is yet another distro based on debian. take a look at http://www.distrowatch.com (look on the right-hand side of page for list of top Linux distros) |
| 00:09.01 | SimonRaven | it does, but slow |
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| 00:09.06 | gravity | hrm |
| 00:09.12 | gravity | Maybe 7.0+exa |
| 00:09.16 | gravity | It's getting some attention |
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| 00:09.18 | SimonRaven | no matter |
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| 00:09.47 | SimonRaven | what i'm saying is that i'd rather have a couple radeon 8500 ;) |
| 00:10.38 | dark__ | rafx, Does it install the same way as debian I really dont want to do command based install like gentoo again |
| 00:10.46 | dark__ | rafx, And is the install jsut as fast/faster? |
| 00:10.56 | beoba | dark__: yes |
| 00:11.05 | beoba | dark__: it's oriented towards being easy for desktop users |
| 00:11.16 | ryon | ubuntu uses the sarge-installer, last time I checked. |
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| 00:11.19 | dark__ | beoba, I hated getting gentoo working |
| 00:11.21 | SimonRaven | uh hunh |
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| 00:11.39 | beoba | dark__: you can learn more about it at their website |
| 00:11.41 | SimonRaven | gentoo doesn't make you an expert, just makes you able to run gcc ;) |
| 00:11.51 | dark__ | SimonRaven, I didnt say it did |
| 00:11.58 | beoba | dark__: they just had a new release today, if you want to check it out they also offer livecd's |
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| 00:12.00 | dark__ | SimonRaven, It was just a pain to get working |
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| 00:12.06 | SimonRaven | i'm just yanking your chain |
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| 00:12.14 | dark__ | SimonRaven, I know |
| 00:12.27 | SimonRaven | yeh, so i've heard |
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| 00:13.06 | SimonRaven | has a lot of potential for being a development distro, that it isn't achieving |
| 00:13.15 | gozz | does opengl work in debian? |
| 00:13.22 | gravity | gozz: Yes |
| 00:13.24 | SimonRaven | yes |
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| 00:13.37 | gozz | how do i enable it? |
| 00:13.54 | SimonRaven | !drxx gozz |
| 00:13.55 | dpkg | gozz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:14.11 | dark__ | rafx, or beoba Will a nVidia GeForce FX5200 PCI video card work in it with drivers so that I can play WoW? |
| 00:14.13 | gravity | gozz: Do you have X running? |
| 00:14.20 | gozz | yes |
| 00:14.25 | Azar | the Ricers, SimonRaven? |
| 00:14.28 | gravity | gozz: What happens when you run a GL app? |
| 00:14.45 | ryon | ubuntu = sid with naked people and brown gnome |
| 00:14.57 | fbi | naked people? wtf |
| 00:15.04 | gozz | i was looking at the screen savers it was only running the opengl onse at 3fps |
| 00:15.08 | zinx | ryon: Sold. |
| 00:15.17 | gravity | gozz: Ok. What's your video card? |
| 00:15.34 | gozz | radon 9600 |
| 00:15.41 | gozz | 128ddr |
| 00:15.44 | Supaplex | rawr |
| 00:15.48 | rafx | ryon: as opposed to brown people and naked gnome? |
| 00:15.59 | fbi | haha |
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| 00:16.11 | gravity | gozz: Are you running sarge? |
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| 00:16.13 | Azar | dark_ Debian has a chain of steps and rules that if you know and apply them correctly will work. If you mix match or have an incorrect start installation, your hardware will not be properly recognized. So if you want to start with Debian you have to start it right and follow the steps in order. |
| 00:16.17 | gozz | i have the ati drivers installed |
| 00:16.17 | fbi | i'd prefer naked brown people and just 'gnome' |
| 00:16.21 | gravity | ugh |
| 00:16.25 | gravity | gozz: I can't help you with those |
| 00:16.29 | SimonRaven | Azar: yeh. instead of doing things to make things run quicker, they could focus on making things stabler, and cutting-edge. i'm not saying all gentoo users are that way (ricers), but there's areas where a distro like that could have a good effect on the community. i may get slammed by this, but i tend to see the good in things |
| 00:16.32 | gozz | the ones from the website |
| 00:16.32 | xam | rafx: what about naked brownies and gnome people? |
| 00:16.35 | gravity | gozz: #ati |
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| 00:16.43 | beoba | what's this about special brownies? :D |
| 00:16.45 | rafx | heh |
| 00:17.02 | ryon | kind brownies make me see naked people and nomes |
| 00:17.09 | gozz | thx |
| 00:17.28 | Azar | SimonRaven I think gentoo is a good side in experimenting things but I would not use it for an everyday, solid stable OS. |
| 00:17.51 | SimonRaven | Azar: yeh, that's my point |
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| 00:18.04 | beoba | i wouldnt use it on a server but it's fun for play |
| 00:18.32 | fbi | i will never install gentoo, ever again |
| 00:18.37 | rafx | i haven't used gnome or kde yet. not sure what they offer that justifies the bloat compared to plain wm like icewm |
| 00:18.44 | fbi | gentoo is the only distro that i actually threw away the install cd |
| 00:18.54 | fbi | and i still have redhat 7.1 install cds. |
| 00:19.13 | beoba | rafx: they shoot for having an integrated environment rather than a purely a launcher for other programs |
| 00:19.18 | beoba | it's just a difference in philosophy |
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| 00:22.05 | rafx | beoba: someone should start a new integrated environment taking advantage of lessons learned from both kde and gnome. they both probably have too much baggage from prior design mistakes they can't trash due to compatibility concerns (like MS Windows & win32) |
| 00:22.23 | Azar | dark_ before installing Debian you should have prepared a list with full and correct name of all your hardware: CPU, sound, video, ethernet, your network info ( your IP, your DNS servers, your gateway), then pick the right kernel offered (2.6.8) is preffered, read all screens and apply the correct info. Learn what grub is, what lilo is, pick your bootloader at your likes. Learn about apt, and how to configure your sources. A right start is |
| 00:22.32 | beoba | rafx: xfce is nice |
| 00:23.02 | k-man | if i have 2 debian machines, is there a way of sharing the apt caches and repositories? |
| 00:23.35 | gravity | k-man: Try apt-cacher |
| 00:23.45 | gozz | i think everyone in #ati is either dead or gone to circuit city to buy a nvidia |
| 00:23.46 | gravity | k-man: There may be other solutions, but I seem to recall that one |
| 00:23.54 | Azar | :) |
| 00:24.05 | Azar | the big desolation, huh |
| 00:24.15 | k-man | thanks gravity |
| 00:24.18 | cheal | I'm thinking of apt-proxy |
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| 00:24.42 | Azar | ok I feel disenfrenchised: I allways get my security updates last. |
| 00:24.59 | deadcat_ | whats the best way to setup dns to point all traffic to localhost? currently i am using bind9 to point all .edu .org .com .net .blah |
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| 00:25.07 | liable | fishandfrechfried? :P |
| 00:25.28 | Azar | discriminated too, liable :) |
| 00:25.29 | cheal | apt-cacher looks interesting |
| 00:25.38 | cheal | !xine |
| 00:25.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xine is a DVD,VCD,MPEG (divX also possible) player for Linux. http://xine.sourceforge.net or just apt-get install xine-ui xine-lib. Also at #xine.. You can get a "complete" version of xine with a DeCSS plugin at http://gape.ist.utl.pt/ment00/linuxdvd.html, or to get sound set the goto advanced settings and set the sound driver form null to what ever you use. see xine-ui KDE users, check out 'kaffeine', or ... |
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| 00:25.51 | w3rdn4 | how do i find out my current ip address being routed to me by the router? |
| 00:25.56 | rafx | beoba: hey, xfce looks really nice. pretty neat flash demos on their site. thanks |
| 00:25.57 | cheal | dpkg: no, xine is a video/media player at http://xinehq.de or #xine. Several user interfaces are available : xine-ui for "generic" X11, gxine for GTK, kaffeine for KDE, totem-xine for Gnome. |
| 00:25.59 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
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| 00:26.16 | cheal | w3rdn4: do you mean... $ ifconfig ? |
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| 00:26.43 | w3rdn4 | something that shows the current ip addres on the computer I am on |
| 00:26.44 | Azar | what is about all these players? they do video too? |
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| 00:27.00 | beoba | rafx: :D |
| 00:27.20 | cheal | w3rdn4: # ifconfig |
| 00:28.24 | cheal | Azar: the user interfaces? |
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| 00:30.56 | Azar | cheal, I never used but xmms but I saw dpkg announce all those players I was wondering.. |
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| 00:35.55 | rafx | holy cow, Araxis Merge 6.5 rocks for 3-way merge...wonder when tkdiff or winmerge will catch up in that area. its so damned expensive and runs only on windows |
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| 00:38.47 | HeLpSysTeM | hello every one :) |
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| 00:39.39 | HeLpSysTeM | i wanna watch my vcd i have gnome installed what else i need i have xmms and it didn;t work, any idea |
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| 00:42.28 | HeLpSysTeM | any one alive ? |
| 00:42.43 | cheal | HeLpSysTeM: I don't think XMMS is a video player. did you try xine? |
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| 00:43.01 | SimonRaven | xmms doesn't do video |
| 00:43.02 | gravity | Or totem |
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| 00:43.20 | HeLpSysTeM | cheal: getting it :) |
| 00:43.32 | HeLpSysTeM | well i will try totem or xine what about vlc ? |
| 00:43.39 | HeLpSysTeM | is it good or u don't know |
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| 00:43.51 | SimonRaven | #define GOOD |
| 00:43.54 | cheal | it's OK |
| 00:44.02 | cheal | it should be able to read VCD-s too |
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| 00:44.46 | HeLpSysTeM | well over windows i used to use xing mpg player |
| 00:45.31 | gravity | HeLpSysTeM: I recommend trying them all and seeing what you like best |
| 00:45.31 | HeLpSysTeM | well i have alsa-base installed and added a user to audio < and when i click over the speaker in gnome it says no mixer available |
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| 00:45.48 | gravity | HeLpSysTeM: Since you have your own opinions, you should form them |
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| 00:46.06 | cheal | gravity: totem is either totem-xine or totem-gstreamer :) |
| 00:46.15 | gravity | cheal: totem-xine all the way |
| 00:46.19 | HeLpSysTeM | gravity: thats sounds cool. :) i will start with xine. |
| 00:46.21 | gravity | gstreamer backend sucks |
| 00:46.23 | mrwill | wd |
| 00:46.48 | flora | does anyone here use 3ware raid cards in debian, and if so, do you use the webadmin tool? |
| 00:46.49 | HeLpSysTeM | what i need to make my audio working ? |
| 00:47.00 | deadcat | still no xserver-xorg in experimental for ppc? )= |
| 00:47.20 | cheal | gravity: ok...I guess you interpreted that I was suggesting xine-ui |
| 00:47.26 | gravity | deadcat: No, but it's available... let me find it |
| 00:47.28 | SimonRaven | deadcat: uh, what's wrong with sid's? |
| 00:47.34 | gravity | cheal: Ah, I did :-) |
| 00:47.35 | deadcat | gravity: love you baby (= |
| 00:47.59 | gravity | svenl made them... |
| 00:48.08 | deadcat | SimonRaven: need the one from unstable for some config options in /etc/drirc to work |
| 00:48.16 | SimonRaven | oh, i see |
| 00:48.17 | ice_1963 | get a new box lol |
| 00:48.27 | HeLpSysTeM | can i copy the files i get through apt-get install |
| 00:48.34 | HeLpSysTeM | i mean burn them into a cd |
| 00:48.42 | SimonRaven | /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:48.48 | deadcat | SimonRaven: link me to j2re pleaes? i have the 1.3 and they dont work when i run limewire |
| 00:48.55 | gravity | deadcat: http://people.debian.org/~luther/xorg/ |
| 00:48.59 | deadcat | thanks |
| 00:49.19 | SimonRaven | deadcat: simonraven.nuit.ca/blog/ look for java in the search box |
| 00:49.35 | deadcat | k |
| 00:49.42 | HeLpSysTeM | SimonRaven: but how to make them ready to be used by another box from the cd |
| 00:50.05 | ice_1963 | limewire :0)- |
| 00:50.11 | SimonRaven | just run dpkg. man dpkg. hint: -i |
| 00:50.11 | cheal | !totem |
| 00:50.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, totem is a gnome movie player that uses libxine. a player that can use gstreamer |
| 00:50.23 | cheal | dpkg: no, totem is a gnome movie player that can use either libxine or gstreamer. packaged as totem-xine or totem-gstreamer |
| 00:50.23 | dpkg | cheal: okay |
| 00:50.27 | HeLpSysTeM | like in normal cd u can see pool/a,b,c,d,e |
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| 00:51.08 | SimonRaven | I DONT KNOW YOU, THATS MY PURSE! |
| 00:51.26 | HeLpSysTeM | cheal: what about the mixer i can't hear, and when i sild the volume bar to higher volume it goes back to negative way |
| 00:51.34 | SimonRaven | read the whole post... |
| 00:51.56 | HeLpSysTeM | SimonRaven: install them manualy ? |
| 00:52.06 | deadcat | SimonRaven: i have to login to that stupid ibm stuff? |
| 00:52.18 | cheal | HeLpSysTeM: in which player? |
| 00:52.24 | SimonRaven | deadcat: hint: ^a on that page |
| 00:53.26 | deadcat | k |
| 00:53.28 | gothtec | Is there a program I can use to bind ctrl+1 to ctrl+alt+1, ctrl+2 to ctrl+alt+2 or something? I need a way to type characters that require that, while remote controlling the machine with either VNC or Synergy. Neigher of them seem to be able to do ctrl+alt+key, or Alt Gr+key |
| 00:53.32 | HeLpSysTeM | cheal: not in a player , in Gnome u can see a small speaker up in the bar, if u click on it u will see a volume sliding bar, when i move it it don't change and when i double click on it it give me msg there is no mixer |
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| 00:54.24 | Gnurdux | how do i use linux to forward ports? |
| 00:54.37 | SimonRaven | !ip forward |
| 00:54.38 | HeLpSysTeM | hold on a sec i'm jumping to Gnome from console be right back |
| 00:54.46 | SimonRaven | !forwarding |
| 00:54.53 | Gnurdux | !forwarding |
| 00:55.08 | Gnurdux | !tell me about forwarding |
| 00:55.11 | SimonRaven | !port forwarding |
| 00:55.12 | dpkg | hmm... port forwarding is handled by ipmasqadm for <= 2.2.x kernels (ipmasqadm portfw -h), or by iptables -j DNAT for 2.4.x kernels (man iptables). See transparent proxy for more info. See port forward for more info also |
| 00:55.22 | SimonRaven | !port forward |
| 00:55.22 | dpkg | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j DNAT --to-destination, or and use sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 to enable it. add that line without the 'sysctl -w' to /etc/sysctl.conf to enable it across reboots |
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| 00:55.32 | Gnurdux | hmmm |
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| 00:56.32 | deadcat | SimonRaven: which is the ppc? i dont see it on the list |
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| 00:56.44 | SimonRaven | pseries IIRC. sec |
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| 00:57.08 | flora | what is the recommended linux sata raid card? |
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| 00:57.20 | deadcat | k |
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| 00:58.41 | KillBot | who has a binary decoder? |
| 00:59.07 | SimonRaven | deadcat: IBM SDK for 32-bit iSeries/pSeries |
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| 00:59.16 | KillBot | dont wory found 1 |
| 00:59.52 | Gnurdux | how would i forward all requests to port X to 192.168.1.3 |
| 01:00.09 | SimonRaven | see #iptables topic for some tutorials |
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| 01:00.19 | Frem | Why are the interface fonts in Debian like five points bigger then all the other distros by default? Is there a way to fix this in IceWM? |
| 01:00.28 | SimonRaven | oh, i have a script to fix. BBL |
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| 01:00.47 | KillBot | what is Hex & Octal codes used in |
| 01:01.00 | Gnurdux | SimonRaven, i would rather know just how to do that simple command! |
| 01:01.07 | Gnurdux | i dont need to know how to use IPtables! |
| 01:01.15 | SimonRaven | KillBot: what is go read some tutorials |
| 01:01.35 | Gnurdux | but you know so why do i need to know?' |
| 01:01.41 | Pryon | I'll take RTFM for 100 Alex |
| 01:01.49 | SimonRaven | Gnurdux: um, read the whole thing. also has NAT howto, and other stuff |
| 01:01.56 | cheal | KillBot: human electronic-related communication |
| 01:01.58 | secher__ | gnurdux: that was the wrong question.. LOL |
| 01:02.24 | KillBot | k |
| 01:02.36 | SimonRaven | Pryon: ;) |
| 01:02.41 | KillBot | 01100111011011110010000001110010011001010110000101100100001000000111001101101111011011010110010100100000011101000111010101110100011011110111001001101001011000010110110001110011 |
| 01:02.45 | Gnurdux | i wanna be spoonfed |
| 01:02.55 | secher__ | then go see your mommy. |
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| 01:02.56 | HeLpSysTeM | working :d |
| 01:02.58 | saik0 | after installing samba netbios-ssn is commented out in inetd.conf. should that stay that way?? |
| 01:02.59 | SimonRaven | Gnurdux: came to the wrong place then |
| 01:03.01 | HeLpSysTeM | xine rocks :) |
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| 01:03.03 | liable | !breastfeed Gnurdux |
| 01:03.51 | KillBot | %67%6F%72%65%61%64%20%73%6F%6D%65%20%74%75%74%6F%72%69%61%6C%73%00 |
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| 01:04.08 | secher__ | what does 192.168.1.1/24 mean? I thought that was to indicate a range of IPs. |
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| 01:04.46 | KillBot | 147157040162145141144040163157155145040164165164157162151141154163 |
| 01:04.59 | secher__ | KillBot: please. |
| 01:05.09 | KillBot | soz |
| 01:05.09 | websae | how do i see a list of packages available to install for debian within the command line interface? |
| 01:05.16 | websae | I want to install Samba and WEBMIN |
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| 01:05.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell websae -about search |
| 01:05.57 | websae | what would the command be |
| 01:06.02 | secher__ | websae: you can search through packages available using apt-cache search <string> |
| 01:06.04 | saik0 | websae: man apt-cache |
| 01:06.09 | HeLpSysTeM | cheal: but why its too slow like in windows its not as slow as here ii mean its like slow grrr not as playing but it make the system slow |
| 01:06.24 | websae | I know on freebsd you can do a /systand/install |
| 01:06.32 | websae | that will bring up a list of different categories for packages |
| 01:06.34 | secher__ | but this is not BSD, now is it/ |
| 01:06.41 | dondelelcaro | websae: it would be apt-get install foopkg; apt-cache search to find the package; if you're totally lost, use aptitude. |
| 01:06.44 | websae | just wondering if there was something similar to that on debian |
| 01:06.47 | KillBot | cya |
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| 01:07.07 | dondelelcaro | websae: regardless, what dpkg told you is the standard way to go about figuring out which package to install. |
| 01:07.25 | secher__ | webase: aptitude |
| 01:07.26 | cheal | HeLpSysTeM: I don't know |
| 01:07.39 | websae | hrm so apt-cache would be my best bet then |
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| 01:08.19 | saik0 | websae, dont insult apt, dpkg might hear |
| 01:08.24 | HeLpSysTeM | cheal: does debian auto install my Nvidia |
| 01:08.30 | HeLpSysTeM | or i have to install it |
| 01:08.46 | secher__ | what does the /24 mean at the end of an IP address, i.e. 192.168.1.1/24? |
| 01:09.00 | saik0 | !tell HeLpSysTeM about nvidia |
| 01:09.02 | secher__ | is it to indicate a range of addresses? |
| 01:09.03 | dondelelcaro | secher__: that the netmask is 24 bits long |
| 01:09.07 | flora | secher__: that's the netmask |
| 01:09.17 | secher__ | don, flora: thanks. |
| 01:09.22 | dondelelcaro | ala FFFFFF00. |
| 01:09.29 | flora | do a google for subnet mask calculator and fart around with different / notations |
| 01:09.46 | cheal | HeLpSysTeM: depends what you mean exactly |
| 01:09.54 | zinx | KillBot: 2 1 2 1 1 4 1 1 6 1 1 8 1 1 10 ... |
| 01:10.04 | secher__ | dondelelcaro: hex I understand, just was a little piece missing from my knowledge. |
| 01:10.23 | HeLpSysTeM | cheal: well i have a vga card known as nvidia its old , i'm using gnome how to know its installed i mean the driver |
| 01:10.26 | secher__ | flora: will do. |
| 01:10.35 | HeLpSysTeM | in another way i'm using nvidia or the defualt vesa |
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| 01:11.41 | cheal | HeLpSysTeM: by default you have only two choices for NVIDIA cards : nv and vesa. I recommend nv unless it doesn't work |
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| 01:12.24 | secher__ | why would anyone use a tool like firestarter when building your own is so much fun? |
| 01:12.25 | HeLpSysTeM | cheal: do i have to restart gnome or it will autoupdate ? |
| 01:12.29 | cheal | HeLpSysTeM: if X starts and you have display working, that means there's a driver for it installed |
| 01:13.02 | cheal | HeLpSysTeM: if you change your X driver, you have to restart X to have the change take effect, which involves restarting gnome |
| 01:13.06 | HeLpSysTeM | cheal: what if it was vesa ? |
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| 01:13.25 | cheal | HeLpSysTeM: that may be OK too |
| 01:13.41 | HeLpSysTeM | does ctrl+alt+backspace restart or ctrl+alt+f7 restart |
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| 01:13.50 | dondelelcaro | HeLpSysTeM: neither. |
| 01:14.06 | dondelelcaro | (well, traditionally, anyway... it depends on your inittab settings.) |
| 01:14.13 | cheal | ctrl+alt+f7 should do nothing when you're in X...you can try it |
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| 01:16.38 | HeLpSysTeM | well nothing changed ctrl +alt+ backspace restart X |
| 01:17.08 | cheal | HeLpSysTeM: what did you expect to change? |
| 01:17.24 | saik0 | I inatlled samba and swat from apt and uncommented the swat line in inetd.conf and restarted inet. I get nada when i browse to locaolhost:901 |
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| 01:18.01 | cheal | saik0: I don't think you have to play with inetd.conf to enable swat |
| 01:18.01 | bgat | debconf "Won't mirror without ..../Packages.gz signature in Release" |
| 01:18.07 | bgat | where do I get the gpg key? |
| 01:18.14 | cheal | !tell bgat about apt-secure |
| 01:18.26 | cheal | !tell bgat about apt secure |
| 01:18.27 | saik0 | cheal, manpage said it was disabled in Debian for security reasons, and it was |
| 01:18.42 | cheal | saik0: ok... |
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| 01:19.29 | HeLpSysTeM | cheal: well i will run the totem-xine and check if it will slow my system as before |
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| 01:20.11 | cheal | saik0: you tried http://localhost:901/ right? |
| 01:20.35 | HeLpSysTeM | whats the other program name other than xine |
| 01:20.37 | saik0 | cheal, yep connection refused |
| 01:20.41 | cheal | HeLpSysTeM: vlc? |
| 01:21.06 | HeLpSysTeM | well it might be softer than xine |
| 01:21.31 | cheal | saik0: does # netstat -plunt|grep :901; return something? |
| 01:21.50 | websae | what port does webmin run on? |
| 01:21.54 | cheal | 10000 |
| 01:22.16 | websae | for https |
| 01:22.24 | saik0 | cheal: netbios-ssn was was also commented out after installing. uncommenting it made everything work. needs to get added to the manpage methinks |
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| 01:23.24 | websae | so to run webmin from debian...i just need to go to https://myip:10000 |
| 01:23.27 | websae | is that correct? |
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| 01:23.57 | cheal | websae: if the package is installed |
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| 01:24.04 | websae | yeah i installed the package |
| 01:24.10 | websae | only runs in ssl as default heh? |
| 01:24.19 | phogg | websae: so try it and find out |
| 01:24.51 | websae | would i have to enable anything in debian to make sure it runs |
| 01:25.00 | websae | cause presently i can't get anything to come up in the browser |
| 01:26.18 | HeLpSysTeM | is there any thing like autocad for linux or debian |
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| 01:27.33 | fbi | HeLpSysTeM: linuxcad |
| 01:27.40 | fbi | it's nothing compared to autocad though |
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| 01:28.17 | KillBot | who knows the most about computers here i need there help |
| 01:28.26 | cheal | KillBot: dpkg |
| 01:28.30 | ruoso | hi... I'm trying to compile gcc with i386-pc-linux-uclibc as target (i386-uclibc arch) but I'm having a misterious problem... |
| 01:28.31 | fbi | haha |
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| 01:28.53 | bgat | cheal: apt-get install apt/experimental |
| 01:29.02 | cheal | websae: do you have a miniserv.pl process running? |
| 01:29.04 | liable | cant you only use webmin from localhost by default? (never used it but seem to remember hearing that) |
| 01:29.09 | bgat | "E: Release 'experiemental' for 'apt' was not found |
| 01:29.21 | cheal | bgat: shrug...what release do you run? |
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| 01:29.28 | ruoso | The only output I get for the error is: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 01:29.32 | ruoso | nothing more |
| 01:29.43 | bgat | testing |
| 01:29.56 | HAB | hi everybody, I've got a problem, haven't been on IRC for ages, and I can't remember my password to nickserv, how do I get nickserv to send me my password by email? |
| 01:30.15 | cheal | bgat: why do you the unexisting experimental version of apt? |
| 01:30.22 | cheal | s/you/you want |
| 01:30.25 | EdLin | ruoso: I'm trying to figure out what this has to do with the Debian distribution, could you help me here? |
| 01:30.49 | fbi | HAB: /msg nickserv help |
| 01:30.54 | HAB | tried that |
| 01:30.58 | bgat | cheal: all I want is for debmirror to work. You said that I had to go to apt-secure to get that. |
| 01:30.59 | ruoso | EdLin, simple... I'm creating the toolchain to start the i386-uclibc debian architecture |
| 01:31.04 | saik0 | how would i make the debian menu use gksudo instead of gksu? |
| 01:31.06 | liable | HAB: ask in #freenode |
| 01:31.07 | KillBot | cheal: tnx |
| 01:31.12 | fbi | HAB: ask in #freenode then, you may have to wait a few moments to get +v |
| 01:31.30 | HAB | Im not allowed to write anything in main there, just been there |
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| 01:31.47 | fbi | HAB: wait a few, someone will +v you |
| 01:32.05 | EdLin | ruoso: I don't think there is a uclibc Debian architecture. |
| 01:32.10 | cheal | bgat: what version of apt do you have? |
| 01:32.22 | ruoso | EdLin, that's the point... |
| 01:32.27 | ruoso | EdLin, I'm starting it |
| 01:32.37 | bgat | cheal: apt 0.5.28.6 |
| 01:32.48 | ruoso | EdLin, see http://alioth.debian.org/projects/i386-uclibc |
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| 01:33.20 | ruoso | EdLin, and that's why I need a toolchain, and why I'm compiling gcc |
| 01:33.21 | KillBot | who can help me with a forum that im making here |
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| 01:34.04 | EdLin | ruoso: I see. Maybe you could ask on #debian-devel |
| 01:34.04 | cheal | bgat: I guess I've misleaded you then. try to google it |
| 01:34.10 | bgat | k |
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| 01:34.13 | bgat | cheal: thx |
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| 01:34.20 | nathan__ | I'm trying to get postifx working with ldap on woody. I've gotten everything working except sasl, and I can't figure out how to get saslauthd. Any help? |
| 01:34.32 | ruoso | EdLin, well... this is my second try already |
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| 01:34.37 | cheal | KillBot: anyone who knows the answer to your question, but more importantly, your actual question |
| 01:34.49 | nekstrom | I'm trying to get postifx working with ldap on woody. I've gotten everything working except sasl, and I can't figure out how to get saslauthd. Any help? |
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| 01:35.00 | jorfro2005 | hey guys, I had the ferrari 4005 with the ATI x700, I still can't get my Xserver to start |
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| 01:35.18 | jorfro2005 | i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 01:35.23 | jorfro2005 | i tried vesa, vga, ati, etc |
| 01:35.29 | morfeo | hi |
| 01:35.34 | EdLin | ruoso: try asking on #debian-devel, maybe someone there as built a toolchain for Debian. |
| 01:35.47 | saik0 | !tell jorfro2005 about ati |
| 01:35.53 | jorfro2005 | Ok and the log file says cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 01:35.57 | ruoso | EdLin, ok... thanks |
| 01:36.01 | jorfro2005 | my mouse is a touchpad and a bluetooth wireless |
| 01:36.22 | cheal | saik0: I know I misleaded you about having to tweak inetd.conf earlier, but that was in the manpage. I don't know what's netbios-ssn, but I don't think you have to play with that to have swat working (unless in a different version than mine or in a particular environment) |
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| 01:37.05 | saik0 | cheal, running sarge here |
| 01:37.12 | cheal | saik0: same here |
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| 01:38.03 | cheal | jorfro2005: what kernel do you use? |
| 01:38.17 | saik0 | cheal, ok i commented it out again just to be sure. swat is broken again |
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| 01:38.50 | saik0 | cheal, netbios-ssnstreamtcpnowaitroot/usr/sbin/tcpd/usr/sbin/smbd |
| 01:38.50 | w3rdn4 | is there a barebones install I can do of debian that is specifically made for being a router/firewall/server ?? |
| 01:38.51 | cheal | saik0: $ grep netbios /etc/inetd.conf |
| 01:38.51 | cheal | #<off># netbios-ssn stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/smbd |
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| 01:39.12 | nekstrom | I'm trying to get postifx working with ldap on woody. I've gotten everything working except sasl, and I can't figure out how to get saslauthd. Any help? |
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| 01:39.23 | jorfro2005 | cheal - i think it is 2.4.x.x |
| 01:39.29 | dondelelcaro | w3rdn4: just install the packages you need; if you don't choose a task, debian by default is relatively barebones. |
| 01:39.33 | jorfro2005 | its debian 3.1 sarge, the default kernel |
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| 01:39.46 | jorfro2005 | i coudn't install it using linux26, for sum reason it always hung up on me |
| 01:40.04 | cheal | jorfro2005: ok. you can check your kernel with uname |
| 01:40.13 | jorfro2005 | well the thing is i'm in windows |
| 01:40.21 | cheal | jorfro2005: was the message you mentioned an error? |
| 01:40.24 | jorfro2005 | ok |
| 01:40.34 | jorfro2005 | Fatal server error was : failed to initialize core devices |
| 01:40.37 | KillBot | i cant find the software to create the forum any chance of anyone knowing were i could find the software |
| 01:40.38 | jorfro2005 | which is the input |
| 01:40.45 | KillBot | ???? |
| 01:40.49 | jorfro2005 | configured mouse: cannot open input dev |
| 01:40.55 | jorfro2005 | i'm using /dev/input/mice |
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| 01:41.06 | jorfro2005 | preinitialization failed for input device, fatal error was that |
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| 01:41.12 | cheal | jorfro2005: ok. try choosing another mouse device in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:41.16 | jorfro2005 | but that's using generic vga and 8-bit graphics |
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| 01:41.34 | cheal | KillBot: are you looking for a particular forum engine? |
| 01:41.35 | jorfro2005 | when i used the ATI option in reconfigure, i got an error like "no screens found" |
| 01:41.44 | saik0 | cheal: No point anyhow I guess, root has a random pass and I use sudo and apparently swat is'nt amused by it |
| 01:41.50 | KillBot | any will do |
| 01:41.57 | jorfro2005 | ok it's a synaptics touchpad tho, will debian be able to use it |
| 01:42.03 | jorfro2005 | my other mouse is a bluetooth wireless |
| 01:42.11 | jorfro2005 | i'm going to need support for one of them for xserver to start, not?? |
| 01:42.33 | liable | jorfro2005: try /dev/psaux |
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| 01:42.47 | cheal | jorfro2005: the error you get doesn't depend on your X driver choice (not yet, at least) |
| 01:43.20 | jorfro2005 | well techinically it does, but eventually when i used vga, 8-bit it only had mouse errors |
| 01:43.21 | KillBot | cheal: any will do |
| 01:43.21 | nicoal | what's the best way to fix broken locale settings? I've tried to dpkg-reconfigure locales, bit it still says "setting locale failed" |
| 01:43.22 | cheal | jorfro2005: Debian supports synaptics |
| 01:43.32 | jorfro2005 | but when i use ati i get NO SCREENS FOUND |
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| 01:43.36 | jorfro2005 | maybe sumthing to do with my monitor? |
| 01:43.50 | w3rdn4 | is there a way to get smoothwall to use apt-get ? |
| 01:43.51 | jorfro2005 | ok if debian supports synaptics, will it do it automatically for me?? |
| 01:44.05 | liable | w3rdn4: what? |
| 01:44.07 | cheal | jorfro2005: no, it's about your video card/video driver combination |
| 01:44.17 | jorfro2005 | mmmmkay |
| 01:44.42 | cheal | jorfro2005: get X to start using a working video driver first (like generic vesa), then try changing it |
| 01:44.57 | jorfro2005 | but when i use the vga option instead of ati, then it narrowed down to the input device being the fatal error |
| 01:45.09 | jorfro2005 | but i can't use the vga driver forever, i mean it only supports 8-bit, and i haven't even seen it in GUI actually |
| 01:45.17 | cheal | jorfro2005: yes, try focusing on that error first |
| 01:45.21 | jorfro2005 | generic vesa doesn't work, ok thankx |
| 01:45.23 | jorfro2005 | i'm gonna try it |
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| 01:45.27 | KillBot | cheal: let me know when u got something k! |
| 01:45.40 | cheal | jorfro2005: do you have xfree86-driver-synaptics installed? |
| 01:45.42 | jorfro2005 | i'm gonna run knoppix if this doesn't work, hopefully can figure sumthin out from there |
| 01:45.45 | jorfro2005 | ummmm |
| 01:45.48 | jorfro2005 | i didn't do it personally |
| 01:45.51 | jorfro2005 | do i need to do that?? |
| 01:46.03 | HAB | fbi.. wouldnt u say I've waited for a few moments now? |
| 01:46.27 | cheal | KillBot: well you'll have to make a choice. wikipedia may help you do that |
| 01:46.30 | jorfro2005 | so the command would be apt-get install xfree86-driver-synaptics ?? |
| 01:46.45 | nekstrom | \quit |
| 01:46.56 | cheal | jorfro2005: yes |
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| 01:47.30 | cheal | HAB: try their website |
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| 01:48.21 | cheal | nicoal: did you try # localegen; ? |
| 01:48.34 | cheal | locale-gen |
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| 01:48.54 | Boukensya | hey guys.. I have a Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 02) and I just installed debian and it doesn't seem to be in the /etc/modules.conf. I don't wanna recompile the kernel, just wanna use the default one. What do I need to do? cheers |
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| 01:49.20 | KillBot | cheal: ok i will look at wikpedia 1st then let u Know if i have any problems ok bbs man! |
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| 01:49.31 | liable | Boukensya: 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:49.41 | cheal | saik0: hm, you don't know root's password? |
| 01:49.56 | cheal | KillBot: great |
| 01:50.07 | Boukensya | ooh actually only 2.4, should I upgrade to 2.6 and that fix it? |
| 01:50.33 | liable | Boukensya: does i810 show in lsmod? |
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| 01:51.23 | Boukensya | i810_rng 2368 0 (unused) |
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| 01:51.57 | saik0 | cheal, not anymore i dont. i could change it (sudo passwd root) |
| 01:51.59 | Azar | I need an advice here related to nvidia cards: my current system runs on an Athlon AMD XP, with a nvidia GeForce MX/MX 400 and everything from installation to configuration works like a charm. I intend to build a similar machine, however I understand that it will be hard to find a similar video card. Where can I find a list of newer nvidia drivers that will be 100% supported in Debian Sarge? |
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| 01:52.30 | gravity | Oh man... |
| 01:52.36 | gravity | I guess in the discover1-data package |
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| 01:52.43 | gravity | If you want to install it and look at the data file |
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| 01:52.50 | ultravio1et16 | can anyone tell me if my system will run the same if I get rid of these files.. |
| 01:52.52 | ultravio1et16 | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 01:52.55 | mrwill | Azar: really, what you need to know is whether the kernel you are planning on using has a driver for the card. |
| 01:52.55 | ultravio1et16 | the ones in that directory |
| 01:53.19 | KillBot | dam my computer tecky is a fat suicidal loser |
| 01:53.22 | liable | Boukensya: if you want to use alsa, either search for 2.4 alsa-modules or install a 2.6, you'll also need alsa-base. |
| 01:53.25 | mrwill | Azar: I don't know exactly where to find a list, but it's not just debian sarge, it would be any version of linux using that same kernel. |
| 01:53.28 | gravity | ultravio1et16: I wouldn't do that. Just run apt-get clean |
| 01:53.30 | fbi | ultravio1et16: it is safe to clean that out using 'apt-get clean' |
| 01:53.31 | Azar | mrwill as of this year I will stick with the latest 2.6.8 supported. |
| 01:53.31 | Boukensya | 2.6 sounds good |
| 01:53.39 | Boukensya | I thought it was already installed, but I was wrong |
| 01:53.44 | mrwill | Azar: so basically you would be looking for video cards that are well supported by that version of linux. |
| 01:53.50 | gravity | Azar: Try looking in the discover1-data package |
| 01:53.54 | ultravio1et16 | oh sweet, never heard of apt-get clean.. it just cleans out unused archives I would imagine? |
| 01:53.55 | gravity | Azar: That's your best bet |
| 01:53.57 | Azar | mrwill assuming the higher versions will do support a wider variety of drivers |
| 01:54.07 | Azar | thank you gravity, mrwill |
| 01:54.16 | fbi | ultravio1et16: man apt-get |
| 01:55.14 | cheal | saik0: that could be useful |
| 01:55.32 | Azar | wow my source is uberbusy tonight |
| 01:55.47 | ultravio1et16 | fbi: the man says that the clean option "clears" everything.. so i can't downgrade after that? |
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| 01:56.00 | Boukensya | thanks guys (): |
| 01:56.04 | fbi | ultravio1et16: downgrade ? |
| 01:56.08 | Azar | gravity, discover1-data is an executable or just a file I can cat ? |
| 01:56.19 | gravity | Azar: It's a package. It has a file named... one sec |
| 01:56.54 | gravity | Azar: /lib/discover/pci.lst |
| 01:56.58 | ultravio1et16 | say if i upgrade libc6 and it screws up apache or something weird |
| 01:57.06 | gravity | Azar: It may be in /usr/lib. I don't recall for sarge. |
| 01:57.06 | Azar | thank you gravity |
| 01:57.16 | gravity | Azar: There are other files in there for 2.6-specific changes |
| 01:57.44 | gravity | Azar: So you may want to look at them too |
| 01:57.52 | fbi | ultravio1et16: no idea, i've never attempted to 'downgrade' anything. |
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| 01:58.22 | gravity | ultravio1et16: You can pull older packages off the net and install them. There's snapshot.debian.net for example. |
| 01:58.40 | kvidell | s 2 |
| 01:58.50 | Azar | hmm cannot find that file |
| 01:59.05 | gravity | Azar: Install the package |
| 01:59.15 | Azar | gravity it is installed |
| 01:59.30 | gravity | Azar: dpkg -L discover1-data | grep pci.lst |
| 01:59.40 | Azar | :) thanks |
| 01:59.51 | gravity | No problem |
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| 02:00.16 | gravity | It's embarassing how little I recall about discover1 |
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| 02:02.48 | mrwill | ultravio1et16: if you get a newer version of a package from somewhere else like backports, you can remove it by apt-get removing it and then changing your apt sources to not install it again. but I wouldn't recommend monkeying around with libc6. |
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| 02:04.10 | ultravio1et16 | mrwill: it was just an example. i wouldn't try it. although it happend to a friend by mistake |
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| 02:04.21 | Azar | wow ATI is supported in 2.6.8 |
| 02:04.45 | nicoal | cheal, no go :( |
| 02:04.49 | gravity | Depends on the card and the version of X |
| 02:05.03 | nicoal | cheal, also, sorry for the delay |
| 02:05.18 | KillBot | dam its F*****G cold here! |
| 02:05.18 | cheal | nicoal: damn you! :) |
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| 02:05.55 | zinx | KillBot: FEELING? |
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| 02:06.43 | cheal | nicoal: can I see the error messages? |
| 02:06.46 | ultravio1et16 | anyone know of a good package to graph a mathematical function? |
| 02:06.47 | nicoal | cheal, once upon a time, I ran dpkg-reconfigure for everything, and ctrl-C'd it, which wasn't too bright an idea.. and ever since then, everything that runs perl gives me this locale warning |
| 02:06.48 | KillBot | zinx: what about it??? the feeling is gone |
| 02:07.03 | ultravio1et16 | i was just looking at gri now.. in a minute looking at euler |
| 02:07.06 | websae | why would i get a HTTP 403 FORBIDDEN error for WEBMIN ???I installed it from packages...? |
| 02:07.16 | websae | anyone's help appreciated |
| 02:07.39 | cheal | nicoal: ah. I thought you couldn't "ctrl-C" dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:07.40 | fbi | ultravio1et16: open up synaptic and look in the Mathematics section |
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| 02:08.28 | KillBot | can't im a newb who builds really good computers up 4 people |
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| 02:08.38 | nicoal | cheal, http://pastebin.com/393007 and I guess I interrupted it one way or another... perhaps it wasn't sigint |
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| 02:09.22 | cheal | websae: did it prompt you for username and password? |
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| 02:09.52 | websae | no |
| 02:09.55 | websae | it did not :( |
| 02:10.01 | ultravio1et16 | thanks fbi |
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| 02:10.10 | fbi | no problem |
| 02:10.11 | knoppix | Is there a good program in gnome for scanning images? |
| 02:10.26 | cheal | websae: are you accessing from localhost? |
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| 02:10.35 | terrencevak | Sorry... Had to fix my nick. |
| 02:10.37 | websae | accessing from another pc on network |
| 02:10.37 | Azar | gravity is there any way I can find discover1-data list somewhere on the net, I need to brainstorm about the hardware with a friend, and he does not have linux... |
| 02:10.48 | cheal | websae: you can't do that with webmin by default |
| 02:10.49 | Azar | the list is so wide :) |
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| 02:11.13 | websae | hmm... |
| 02:11.17 | websae | what must you enable? |
| 02:11.19 | gravity | Azar: I suppose you can browse it in the svn repo. Check svn.debian.org |
| 02:11.21 | Azar | um oh I do not think so, I have to have the kernel read... |
| 02:11.29 | Azar | thanks gravity :) |
| 02:11.34 | cheal | nicoal: what does $ debconf-show locales; return? |
| 02:11.43 | websae | by the way cheal--am very grateful for your help |
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| 02:12.05 | gravity | Azar: You're welcome |
| 02:12.07 | KillBot | same |
| 02:12.31 | websae | cheal: what parameter would i need to change/edit ? |
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| 02:13.42 | terrencevak | OK, now that I fixed my nick to something reasonable, is there a good program for scanning in gnome? |
| 02:13.57 | dvs | terrencevak: Tried xsane? |
| 02:14.12 | cheal | websae: look at /usr/share/doc/webmin/README.Debian |
| 02:14.13 | bob_123 | hi there, i just installed sarge but it didnt install any graphical desktop environments for me, :| |
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| 02:14.35 | dvs | bob_123: Should have picked "Desktop Environment" in the install process |
| 02:14.38 | terrencevak | dvs No; wasn't sure there was a sane for X. |
| 02:14.40 | bob_123 | do i have to install the x window system myself? if yes why doesnt the documentation mention anything regarding this |
| 02:14.52 | terrencevak | dvs Will check into that; thanks. |
| 02:14.52 | dvs | terrencevak: Well....? Give it a shot. |
| 02:14.57 | nicoal | cheal, http://pastebin.com/393014 |
| 02:15.00 | bob_123 | dvs: i did! am i doing something wrong? |
| 02:15.23 | bob_123 | dvs: i used the netinst installation medimum maybe thats why? |
| 02:15.24 | dvs | bob_123: Then try running "startx" |
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| 02:15.30 | bob_123 | dvs: i did |
| 02:15.42 | Azar | so just to be sure, gravity, the discover1-data reads my settings, current kernel (2.6.8) then gives me the list of hardware supported, or is just a list regardless of kernel version? |
| 02:15.42 | bob_123 | dvs: it didnt even install the x window system or gdm |
| 02:15.43 | dvs | bob_123: Then you didn't select it during the install |
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| 02:15.49 | Wintre | Hi. I'd like to make a Debian installation CD with a customized kernel. Where can I find instructions for this? |
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| 02:16.03 | bob_123 | dvs: i have gone through it twice today , im sure i clicked it :s |
| 02:16.16 | gravity | Azar: Huh? It's a dataset depended on by the discover1 program |
| 02:16.25 | fbi | bob_123: /msg dpkg install x |
| 02:16.27 | gravity | Azar: It's just a database that's hand curated |
| 02:16.28 | bob_123 | dvs: when you installed sarge did it do it automatically? i mean install gnome? |
| 02:16.32 | dvs | bob_123: Well, if you already installed it then you'll have to use apt-get to get it |
| 02:16.42 | dvs | bob_123: No, it's not automatic |
| 02:16.57 | bob_123 | i dont wnnna do that , i wanna know where im screwing up :( |
| 02:17.25 | bob_123 | so sarge wont install XFree86 by default if oyu choose a desktop installation? |
| 02:17.36 | dvs | bob_123: When the selection comes up to choose "Desktop Environment", press the SPACE BAR to select it. |
| 02:17.38 | deadcat | bob_123: yes it will |
| 02:17.48 | websae | cheal: i checked that out....still trying to figure out wha ti need to do to be able to acces it remotely |
| 02:17.50 | Azar | gravity I am afraid I did not understand: what discover1-data program performs? |
| 02:17.53 | cheal | nicoal: hum, what if you try # locale=C dpkg-reconfigure locales; ? |
| 02:17.58 | websae | just talks about ssh into it and using lynx....that i don't want to do |
| 02:17.59 | cheal | nicoal: sorry |
| 02:18.05 | cheal | nicoal: hum, what if you try # LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure locales; ? |
| 02:18.08 | Wintre | Anybody have a clue? |
| 02:18.09 | websae | so i am wondering what my other option would be which it doesn't list cheal |
| 02:18.10 | gravity | Azar: It's not a program. It's just a databse used by the discover1 program. apt-cache show discover1 |
| 02:18.28 | Azar | ahhh ok thanks again |
| 02:18.35 | cheal | websae: you can change these accesses from within webmin |
| 02:18.36 | bob_123 | wel then so you guys tink i muct have not clicked it properly? cuz i have gone trough it twice today and im not totally retarded, i have installed gentoo before |
| 02:18.55 | bob_123 | well ok i wil redo the whole installation again |
| 02:19.03 | dvs | bob_123: Not necessary |
| 02:19.06 | fbi | bob_123: you don't 'click' anything, you use the spacebar to select 'Desktop environment' |
| 02:19.59 | bob_123 | fbi: the first time i pressed enter, second time i did the space bar thing and i tabbed to th e"ok" button and pressed but still the same , thanks anyways, ill try it one more time |
| 02:20.27 | fbi | bob_123: regardless of what you did, you don't have X. /msg dpkg install x |
| 02:20.32 | fbi | no need to reinstall |
| 02:20.38 | bob_123 | fbi: i dont wanna manually install it |
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| 02:20.45 | fbi | ooooooooooook. |
| 02:20.49 | jorfro2005 | hey guys i'm back |
| 02:20.55 | jorfro2005 | guess what, i got the xserver up n' running |
| 02:20.57 | bob_123 | its pissing me of fi wanna get it right |
| 02:21.12 | jorfro2005 | cept i'm using VGA, the resolution is terrible, and it is dual-head with a single LCD monitor |
| 02:21.17 | bob_123 | fbi: by the way do we have XFree86 in sarge or xorg? |
| 02:21.19 | jorfro2005 | oh and did i mention that only have the screen is being used |
| 02:21.26 | jorfro2005 | any ideas??? |
| 02:21.27 | nicoal | cheal, no luck, I even tried setting them all to C |
| 02:21.29 | dvs | bob_123: XFREE in sarge |
| 02:21.33 | Wintre | Hi. I'd like to make a Debian installation CD with a customized kernel. Where can I find instructions for this? |
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| 02:21.36 | fbi | bob_123: sarge has xfree86, but you can use xorg from backports |
| 02:21.38 | bob_123 | dvs: can i get xorg? |
| 02:21.44 | dvs | bob_123: Not for sarge |
| 02:21.48 | fbi | bob_123: /topic |
| 02:21.51 | bob_123 | is there a newer one? |
| 02:22.08 | HeLpSysTeM | what are the desktop Gnome,KDE,X, etc may i know there name |
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| 02:22.32 | fbi | bob_123: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 02:22.32 | gravity | HeLpSysTeM: What? |
| 02:22.32 | jorfro2005 | I need something other than VGA for my xfree reconfig |
| 02:22.38 | jorfro2005 | my resolution is terrible |
| 02:22.41 | cheal | HeLpSysTeM: what do you mean? didn't you just say their names? |
| 02:22.41 | jorfro2005 | anyone have any ideas? |
| 02:22.44 | HeLpSysTeM | i know openbox,XFCE4 Gnome KDE , any other than those |
| 02:22.57 | HeLpSysTeM | they are alot i know these is there any more |
| 02:23.02 | gravity | HeLpSysTeM: There's a bunch of window managers but those are the only desktop enviroments of note |
| 02:23.14 | gravity | HeLpSysTeM: apt-cache search window manager |
| 02:23.21 | gravity | HeLpSysTeM: That'll give you a nice long list |
| 02:23.28 | HeLpSysTeM | wow |
| 02:23.41 | bob_123 | fbi: thanks a lot for your help |
| 02:23.44 | cheal | jorfro2005: that depends on your video card |
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| 02:23.50 | fbi | no problem |
| 02:23.51 | rafx | HeLpSysTem: icewm is very lightweight, lots of themes too. even works on pentium 166 with 96MB RAM |
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| 02:24.41 | HeLpSysTeM | rafx: i'm new to debian i wanna test all window managers and now i got x sawfish openbox gnome xfce4 |
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| 02:24.55 | jorfro2005 | i have an x700 mobility radeon |
| 02:24.57 | omegadark | how do i configure apt-get to search the unstable branches? |
| 02:24.57 | dvs | HeLpSysTeM: all of them? |
| 02:25.01 | HeLpSysTeM | i will get those as soon as i finish from the light ones |
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| 02:25.09 | jorfro2005 | i just can't figure out what to do, i'm glad i got into the xserver |
| 02:25.22 | fbi | omegadark: edit sources.list and update |
| 02:25.27 | HeLpSysTeM | dvs: well almost |
| 02:25.27 | jorfro2005 | but it's unusable becase it thinks i'm in dual monitoring on one monitor |
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| 02:25.57 | dvs | jorfro2005: It's unstable because the chipset is so new. |
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| 02:26.13 | jorfro2005 | right.......but imean there should be at least sum sort of software rendering not? |
| 02:26.22 | rafx | HeLpSysTem: here's a list of 17 window managers for ya http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/56/ |
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| 02:26.24 | jorfro2005 | i mean at least i tshould be able to get a decent desktop not? |
| 02:26.48 | omegadark | fbi, what it the unstable branch path? |
| 02:26.53 | cheal | nicoal: what's interesting in your /etc/locale.gen |
| 02:27.12 | fbi | omegadark: path? you only need to change 'stable' to 'unstable' |
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| 02:27.31 | omegadark | oh ok |
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| 02:27.34 | omegadark | thanks |
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| 02:27.58 | fbi | omegadark: why are you asking though, it's generally a bad idea to mix packages from testing/unstable and stable |
| 02:28.17 | dvs | fbi: Why didn't you warn him first? |
| 02:28.34 | fbi | dvs: he said 'search' unstable branch |
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| 02:28.52 | omegadark | is it better to use unstable or to grab the source for a program i want and compile it myself? |
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| 02:29.33 | fbi | omegadark: what exactly do you want to upgrade |
| 02:29.37 | jorfro2005 | any ideas on the ATI Mobility x700 radeon for me??? anyone???? |
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| 02:29.48 | omegadark | for one is webmin |
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| 02:29.58 | gravity | jorfro2005: Are you just running stock sarge? |
| 02:30.03 | w3rdn4 | does anyone know why smoothwall will not allow allow my debian box to recieve a dhcp signal? |
| 02:30.18 | fbi | omegadark: what's wrong with the webmin in the stable branch? |
| 02:30.38 | omegadark | no options for things I have installed, there all in the newer version |
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| 02:31.10 | gravity | jorfro2005: If you really need it, the xorg backport may have the driver you want |
| 02:31.11 | fbi | omegadark: you're on your own on that one, i don't use testing/unstable packages on my stable server |
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| 02:31.25 | cheal | omegadark: gettings unstable packages for webmin sounds like a bad idea. try getting another GUI for what you're missing, or learn how to do it manually |
| 02:31.37 | mwilson | w3rdn4: No, no one knows why you crafted rules that stop DHCP. |
| 02:31.42 | jorfro2005 | I'm running stock sarge |
| 02:31.56 | jorfro2005 | I'm not sure what the xorg backport is.......... more specific?? |
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| 02:32.20 | fbi | jorfro2005: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 02:32.25 | w3rdn4 | mwilson, this computer uses dhclient |
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| 02:32.32 | gravity | jorfro2005: More up to date packages in the development version of Debian that have been ported back to sarge so they work properly |
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| 02:32.43 | gravity | jorfro2005: They support your card, at least for 2d, maybe 3d |
| 02:32.54 | w3rdn4 | my friends windows computer works fine |
| 02:32.59 | w3rdn4 | but my linux box is farked |
| 02:33.00 | bob_123 | fbi: why not apt-get install xorg ? whats .msg dpkg? |
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| 02:33.04 | Azar | gravity, I found the description: Discover automatically chooses the appropriate list for your running kernel. |
| 02:33.19 | w3rdn4 | fors ome reason I have a subnet mask address as 255.255.255.0 but what this computer looks for is 255.255.255.255 |
| 02:33.21 | fbi | bob_123: xorg will never be in the stable branch, hence 'backports' |
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| 02:33.33 | mwilson | w3rdn4: Unlikely. |
| 02:33.34 | nicoal | cheal, just en_US ISO-8859-1 \n en_US.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15 \n en_US UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 02:33.35 | fbi | actually it will never be in sarge |
| 02:33.35 | gravity | Azar: Yes |
| 02:33.59 | w3rdn4 | mwilson, well the computer works fine when it is directly connected to the cable modem, and a different router. |
| 02:34.19 | fbi | bob_123: /msg dpkg help |
| 02:34.24 | fbi | dpkg is a bot with lots of info |
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| 02:34.35 | bob_123 | fbi: if i wanna compile a custom kernel it asks so many questions about my hardware, is there anyway to get a working config somehow and then tweak it? or for a custom kernel you have to know the answer to all those questions? |
| 02:34.49 | mwilson | w3rdn4: All these things are wonderful, I'm sure. Not relevant, but wonderful. None of them address whatever you've told smoothwall to do regarding blocking DHCP. |
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| 02:34.50 | fbi | bob_123: use a debian kernel image |
| 02:35.03 | bob_123 | fbi: but its really old, 2.4 |
| 02:35.18 | dvs | bob_123: You can get a 2.6 kernel in sarge |
| 02:35.18 | fbi | bob_123: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:35.35 | jorfro2005 | gravity - 2d support would be great |
| 02:35.37 | dvs | bob_123: Heck, you can boot on a 2.6 kernel during the install |
| 02:35.39 | jorfro2005 | i mean just any support at all |
| 02:35.44 | jorfro2005 | cuz right now its ridicuous |
| 02:35.54 | bob_123 | dvs: did i have to pass an option before the install? |
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| 02:35.58 | bob_123 | dvs: to get 2.6? |
| 02:35.59 | dvs | bob_123: Yes |
| 02:36.06 | w3rdn4 | mwilson, I enabled dhcp on the smoothwall box |
| 02:36.07 | bob_123 | dvs: crap i have to do it again now |
| 02:36.12 | dvs | bob_123: NO!!! |
| 02:36.21 | mwilson | w3rdn4: Obviously not. |
| 02:36.24 | bob_123 | dvs: why:) |
| 02:36.25 | deadcat | gravity: xorg from luther is not working. (= |
| 02:36.27 | jorfro2005 | am i going to hafta use Xorg in order for 2D support for the ATI card, or will xfree86 work?? |
| 02:36.30 | dvs | bob_123: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 02:36.31 | gravity | deadcat: Sorry man |
| 02:36.34 | mwilson | gravity: -9 ? :) |
| 02:36.39 | gravity | mwilson: Tomorrow |
| 02:36.41 | dvs | bob_123: That's it no reinstall. It's not windows |
| 02:36.47 | jorfro2005 | is there an apt-get install .... command to get sum support for the card? |
| 02:36.50 | jorfro2005 | anything like that? |
| 02:36.52 | deadcat | gravity: time to downgrade (= |
| 02:36.59 | secher | if I wanted to block a particular IP addy on my internal network from accessing the 'Net, would my firewall rule be this? >> iptables -A OUTPUT -i lo -s 192.168.1.3 -d 0.0.0.0/0 -j REJECT if not, where did I go wrong? |
| 02:37.02 | mwilson | <pout> |
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| 02:37.11 | bob_123 | dvs: hahaha, ok, thanks, so you guys dont recomend a custom kernel compile? |
| 02:37.14 | gravity | I'm working on modular packages now |
| 02:37.18 | gravity | modular is like heaven |
| 02:37.19 | dvs | bob_123: No |
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| 02:37.29 | mwilson | feh |
| 02:37.31 | fbi | bob_123: kernel compiling is not for newbies |
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| 02:37.49 | bob_123 | fbi: im a newbie to debian but not to linux :( |
| 02:37.56 | gravity | I hear that a lot |
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| 02:38.14 | gravity | mwilson: Tomorrow it'll go in. I meant to do it earlier but simply forgot. |
| 02:38.17 | fbi | bob_123: go ahead then, see you in 45 minutes when you ask us how to install a debian kernel. |
| 02:38.46 | mwilson | gravity: I imagine you're going to continue to hear that. From the perspective of $USER, modular is utterly meaningless. |
| 02:38.55 | gravity | mwilson: No way |
| 02:39.10 | gravity | mwilson: Quick updates for components will go a long way |
| 02:39.20 | gravity | mwilson: Plus it'll allow much easier development of new features |
| 02:39.23 | mwilson | gravity: He has no idea what you mean by it, wouldn't understand what you meant by it, and probably can't have it explained to him anyway. |
| 02:39.28 | gravity | It'll let me start hacking on the xserver |
| 02:39.31 | gravity | mwilson: It doesn't matter. |
| 02:39.46 | bob_123 | fbi: well youre right but a newie has to learn at some point :) i mena all i want is to get the wireless working, if i can get kernel image id be satisfied |
| 02:40.11 | gravity | mwilson: The user will get very substantial benefit from the modularization even if they don't recognize it |
| 02:40.23 | mwilson | Hacking on the X server? What's wrong with it? |
| 02:40.30 | gravity | mwilson: It's a pain in the ass |
| 02:40.41 | mwilson | For whom? |
| 02:40.43 | gravity | For me |
| 02:40.54 | gravity | And anyone else who wants to do it |
| 02:40.55 | secher | bob_123: before you waste loads of hours, be sure your NIC chipset is compat. w/ GNU/Linux |
| 02:40.58 | fbi | bob_123: for me, one of the most attractive aspects of debian is *not* compiling |
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| 02:41.22 | mwilson | What? In building it? |
| 02:41.25 | gravity | Yeah |
| 02:41.30 | gravity | Or just downloading the massive tarball |
| 02:41.31 | bob_123 | secher: its the internal centrino thing |
| 02:41.33 | cheal | nicoal: when you said "no luck, I even tried setting them all to C", did the error message change, or did it still say "LANG = "en_US:en_GB:en"" ? |
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| 02:42.17 | mwilson | So Debian is going to diverge again from upstream, then? |
| 02:42.20 | dvs | ipw2200 |
| 02:42.30 | mwilson | Like in the 4.3.x time? |
| 02:42.32 | bob_123 | fbi: but almost everyone has a custom kernel, i am installing it on the laptop and all the people on linux-laptop website who had my inspiron 6000 model did a custom kernel |
| 02:42.38 | Azar | anyone here using nVidia GeForce FX 5900 Ultra and happy with it? |
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| 02:43.10 | REds | yeh there not bad Azar and i got a 5700 ultra also |
| 02:43.11 | secher | bob_123: I don't know if it is or not, but I spent about 4 hours trying to get my Linksys wireless NIC up, and found out that I have some newer generation of the chipset which requires NDISwrapper, which sucked. |
| 02:43.12 | fbi | bob_123: then you might need a kernel that there is not packaged for debian (yet) |
| 02:43.16 | omegadark | i compiled it myself, much better :) i don't know why this is unstable |
| 02:43.19 | fbi | s/there// |
| 02:43.26 | gravity | mwilson: Not significantly. I'm going to do all my work in conjunction with upstream |
| 02:43.30 | bob_123 | fbi:i mena i get your points, its idiotic to be like the gentoo people and be compiling every non essential program fomr source, but custom kernels allow you to get the newest kernel and it will solve a lot of the problems with the old kernels, like the wireless problems and all |
| 02:43.51 | gravity | mwilson: I just plan to ship it in Debian first |
| 02:43.56 | Azar | REds, how old is that nVidia GeForce FX 5700? one year? two? |
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| 02:44.09 | mwilson | bob_123: Why in the world would the "newest" kernel ever be a good thing? Or do you not actually pay attention to kernel development? |
| 02:44.13 | nicoal | cheal, the error message remained the same |
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| 02:44.29 | gravity | It *used* to be a good thing |
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| 02:44.33 | gravity | These days, not so much |
| 02:44.59 | cheal | nicoal: sorry, but I don't know anymore. I'm pretty sure you'll find thousands of hits on google. hopefully some will have a workaround |
| 02:45.12 | mwilson | IMHO it was never a good thing... you had cluebies version chasing without knowing what they were chasing. Of course, you still have that today, but it's much more immediately fatal these days...? |
| 02:45.16 | secher | my $.02, I dig building my own kernel. It's almost therapy, because I know it'll work in the end, and I have a reliable fallback should I really screw things up. Having that safety net of a Debian kernel is a huge stress reducer. |
| 02:45.16 | bob_123 | mwilson: as far as support for wireless cards it say 2.4 is lagging |
| 02:45.48 | fbi | bob_123: no one forced you to install the 2.4 kernel, next time hit F1 at the bootsplash for special boot methods |
| 02:45.51 | mwilson | bob_123: Why would 2.4.x ever be adding significant new support for wireless? |
| 02:45.58 | nicoal | cheal, not a problem, thanks for trying though :) |
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| 02:46.21 | bob_123 | fbi: i know that was retardedness on my part for not having read the documentation properly, i apologize for that |
| 02:46.35 | aguinaldo | hai |
| 02:46.35 | deadcat | can someone do a dpkg --get-selections | grep ^lib | wc -l for me please. |
| 02:46.40 | varroa | bob_123: Just upgrade your kernel-image to a 2.6 version. |
| 02:46.47 | bob_123 | mwilson: im saing 2.6 has better support for wireless |
| 02:46.51 | mwilson | deadcat: Surely you're joking. |
| 02:46.56 | deadcat | no |
| 02:46.58 | REds | Azar, probably both about 1.5years |
| 02:47.05 | deadcat | i have 270. seems too much maybe? |
| 02:47.15 | mwilson | Why would it be too much? |
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| 02:47.22 | bob_123 | varroa: i will, thank you, i geuss its apt-get install kernel-image-2.6? |
| 02:47.28 | secher | 322 |
| 02:47.34 | secher | deadcat 322 |
| 02:47.40 | mwilson | Either you need the libraries, or you don't. If you don't, run deborphan, identify the non-used ones, and remove them. |
| 02:47.43 | Angelus | um, situation: kernel 2.6.12, using udev. Is there any way to control in which order network cards are probed for? I have a machine with an onboard e100, and a ne2k-pci card, udev finds the ne2k card first, I want it to find the e100 first. |
| 02:47.47 | deadcat | mwilson: because i just did a dpkg -i *6.8.2*.deb in the archives |
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| 02:47.48 | fbi | bob_123: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:47.49 | deadcat | secher: thanks |
| 02:47.50 | xixor | yo! |
| 02:47.56 | fbi | pick the correct kernel for your architecture |
| 02:48.06 | deadcat | xixor: whats up baby |
| 02:48.08 | mwilson | deadcat: And what does the one have to do with the other? |
| 02:48.21 | dvs | Angelus: That has nothing to do with udev. Try rearranging the modules in /etc/modules |
| 02:48.23 | deadcat | mwilson: confidencial |
| 02:48.25 | bob_123 | fbi: thank you :) i think this time i got the x window installed, haha |
| 02:48.29 | Angelus | previously you could put modules in /etc/modules and they would be loaded absolutely first, that no longer seems to happen though. |
| 02:48.34 | varroa | bob_123: I think kernel-image-2.6 is a virtual package. Choose an optimized kernel -386 -586 (assuming you are using intel) |
| 02:48.59 | varroa | bob_123: Are you running stable? |
| 02:49.00 | deadcat | gravity: ok. back to 6.8.2 (= |
| 02:49.04 | xixor | deadcat: nothing sugar |
| 02:49.25 | bob_123 | varroa: yes, sarge r31a |
| 02:49.27 | varroa | Angelus is correct. It's a pain in the butt. |
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| 02:49.44 | gravity | deadcat: Sorry |
| 02:49.49 | varroa | Ok, what is the newest kernel version you have available in sarge? |
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| 02:50.00 | sandman | What's an easy way to setup a dhcp server on network device "usb0" and have it do routing? |
| 02:50.03 | fbi | varroa: same as it's always been, 2.6.8 |
| 02:50.11 | fbi | sarge will never get a newer kernel |
| 02:50.19 | secher | if I wanted to block a particular IP addy on my internal network from accessing the 'Net, would my firewall rule be this? >> iptables -A OUTPUT -i lo -s 192.168.1.3 -d 0.0.0.0/0 -j REJECT if not, where did I go wrong? |
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| 02:50.28 | w3rdn4_ | it works now |
| 02:50.30 | w3rdn4_ | I had to shut down all the computers and the server |
| 02:50.33 | varroa | Good deal. Run with that. |
| 02:50.34 | w3rdn4_ | then bring it all back up |
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| 02:50.44 | Angelus | I could do nasty things like writing udev rules to change the interface name of the ne2k, which should make the e100 show up as eth0, but that's hardly user intuitive. |
| 02:50.46 | mwilson | DHCP servers don't do routing. |
| 02:50.57 | Frem | Is it possible to get a system tray in IceWM? |
| 02:51.00 | mwilson | DHCP servers... well... serve DHCP. |
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| 02:51.16 | dvs | mwilson: REALLY? |
| 02:51.20 | w3rdn4_ | using dhcp |
| 02:51.33 | wm3t | secher: how about iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.1.3 -j DROP |
| 02:51.37 | mwilson | w3rdn4: Except that you're not, of course. |
| 02:51.54 | Frem | Is it possible to get a system tray in IceWM? |
| 02:51.54 | fbi | Frem: icewm should have one when you install it (i assume you mean a toolbar) |
| 02:52.02 | Frem | oops, sry. |
| 02:52.43 | Angelus | no, you want -A FORWARD not -A INPUT |
| 02:52.48 | sandman | My big thing is: I want to route traffic from my pda |
| 02:53.03 | w3rdn4_ | mwilson, what am I using? |
| 02:53.07 | Frem | fbi, no, I have a toolbar. I mean, that little area that shows icons like the state of my wifi connection, and my gaim icon. |
| 02:53.20 | sandman | So I can browse the web with my zaurus, and install familiar on it |
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| 02:53.41 | fbi | Frem: you could ask one of the 8 users in #icewm heh |
| 02:53.59 | Frem | fbi: I think they are dead... |
| 02:54.08 | jorfro2005 | ok i'm lookin at the sarge xorg packages |
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| 02:54.12 | jorfro2005 | what is a backport exactly |
| 02:54.20 | jorfro2005 | "backports of xorg packages" |
| 02:54.42 | gravity | jorfro2005: I already explained it to you |
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| 02:55.02 | secher | wm3t: OH, hey man. I got everything running, between you and the howto on debian.com. Thanks again. and would it be -A INPUT or -A FORWARD ? |
| 02:55.05 | varroa | jorfro2005: Its a package that was put together for testing/unstable that has been compiled on a box running stable. |
| 02:55.09 | gravity | jorfro2005: It's a newer version of the package than what you have, but it's been ported from the development version of Debian to the stable version so that it'll work |
| 02:55.24 | gravity | And like magic you can have newer video drivers |
| 02:56.07 | Frem | also, like magic your older video cards will star showing gribbish. ^_^ |
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| 02:56.18 | gravity | heh, also possible |
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| 02:56.29 | fbi | Frem: why would you install xorg if you're running an old card? |
| 02:56.43 | wm3t | secher: no problem. glad you got it working, that's the main thing. try both INPUT and FORWARD seperately and see which one works |
| 02:57.03 | Frem | fbi, because you don't know any better? I tried it with slackware on an 8 year old computer a year ago. great fun... ^_^ |
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| 02:57.12 | fbi | haha |
| 02:57.23 | deadcat | do i make-dpkg linux_image to get linux-image and kernel_image to get kernel-image? |
| 02:58.21 | fbi | deadcat: that was way too confusing after taking bong rips |
| 02:58.42 | gravity | It was confusing without the rips |
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| 02:58.48 | fbi | haha |
| 02:58.53 | gravity | Then again I haven't used kernel-package in years |
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| 02:59.16 | Langly1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.25 | gravity | Langly1: Yes |
| 02:59.39 | Langly1 | thx |
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| 03:00.05 | Langly1 | Getting ready to put linux on my main computer, and really dont want to mess up and have lots of down time |
| 03:00.07 | sylvisj | Alright. I am unbelievably close to having it set up. |
| 03:00.11 | sylvisj | My nvidia drivers are finally installed. |
| 03:00.37 | sylvisj | All I need to know to set up GNOME is the PCI crap for my card. |
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| 03:01.07 | sylvisj | Control Panel on Windows says the FX5500 is on Bus 2, Device 9, Function 0 - would this mean 2:9:0 for setup on linux? |
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| 03:01.18 | gravity | You need your PCI info to set up gnome? |
| 03:01.24 | sylvisj | The display part. |
| 03:01.26 | Phated | You don't need the bus number. Just hit enter. |
| 03:01.31 | sylvisj | I tried. |
| 03:01.36 | gravity | He's doing the nvidia drivers. |
| 03:01.40 | gravity | Who knows what they need |
| 03:01.51 | w3rdn4_ | anyone know what the floppy disk is for the /dev/ XXX ?? |
| 03:01.54 | Phated | They don't. When you configure X, anyway. |
| 03:01.56 | sylvisj | I just need to know what each of hte three digits in the x:x:x format is. |
| 03:02.01 | Phated | w3rdn4_: fd0, AFAIK. |
| 03:02.02 | jmd | Where have the mail and cd player gnome-applets gone in sid? Is their removal just a temporary thing or what? |
| 03:02.07 | sylvisj | I'm using xserver-xorg, not xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:02.19 | w3rdn4_ | Phated, what type of filesystem? |
| 03:02.21 | deadcat | i have trouble making lprng to print anything but plain text. like xpdf or firefox cant print |
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| 03:02.40 | sylvisj | w3rdn4_, etiher /dev/fd0 or /dev/fd1. |
| 03:02.42 | w3rdn4_ | could I do mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy |
| 03:02.45 | sylvisj | Default is FD0 |
| 03:02.45 | w3rdn4_ | ok cool |
| 03:02.49 | w3rdn4_ | testing |
| 03:02.55 | sylvisj | Mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy |
| 03:03.04 | sylvisj | If you don't have the /mnt/floppy dir, make it using mkdir /mnt/floppy |
| 03:03.10 | jmd | deadcat, What print system have you installed? |
| 03:03.24 | deadcat | jmd: lprng |
| 03:03.28 | Phated | w3rdn4_: vfat. |
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| 03:03.33 | Phated | Generally. |
| 03:03.39 | Phated | At least, vfat WFM. |
| 03:03.45 | sylvisj | Phated: msdos works as well. |
| 03:03.50 | w3rdn4_ | thank you |
| 03:03.57 | sylvisj | They do the same thing as far as linux is concerned. |
| 03:04.15 | jmd | deadcat, Are you committed to using that, or would you consider installing cups ? |
| 03:04.16 | sylvisj | Anyone knowlegable with nvidia setup here? |
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| 03:04.34 | deadcat | jmd: what packages do i need to get cups working? |
| 03:05.01 | deadcat | jmd: i only installed magicfilters and lprng to get it working right now |
| 03:05.01 | chealer | sylvisj: I guess |
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| 03:05.30 | foo | How can I learn more about a package ? apt-cache info package .. or something, hmm |
| 03:05.44 | jkern | sylvisj, I use nvidia with 2.4.27-2-686 Debian kernel |
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| 03:05.52 | sylvisj | Jkern, I'm running 2.6 |
| 03:06.10 | jkern | foo, apt-cache search foo |
| 03:06.12 | sylvisj | The drivers are fine, but my system wants specific PCI slot information |
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| 03:06.26 | jmd | cupsys is the main one. Normally cupsys-client, and if you want your system to look like it has lpr you can install cupsys-bsd |
| 03:06.31 | chealer | foo: apt-cache show foo |
| 03:06.38 | foo | chealer: thanks |
| 03:06.58 | jkern | foo, chealer is correct |
| 03:07.09 | w3rdn4_ | ok I tried vfat, msdos dos, and also auto and it says unsupported fs by kernel |
| 03:07.09 | sylvisj | I'm wondering if the #:#:# format that it wants it in is PCI Bus:Device:Function or what. |
| 03:07.13 | sylvisj | Just use -t msdos |
| 03:07.15 | sylvisj | not msdos dos |
| 03:07.16 | jmd | deadcat, If you can afford the disk space, then I would recommend the cups solution. |
| 03:07.24 | deadcat | jmd: ok |
| 03:07.29 | w3rdn4_ | that is what I did sylvisj |
| 03:07.32 | sylvisj | mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy will get the job done. |
| 03:07.37 | sylvisj | What kernel are you running? |
| 03:07.45 | w3rdn4_ | the one that comes with smoothwall |
| 03:07.52 | w3rdn4_ | smoothwall express |
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| 03:08.12 | sylvisj | mmhmm... so it isn't debian? |
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| 03:08.23 | w3rdn4_ | nope not debian |
| 03:08.37 | sylvisj | That may be why. We were giving you instructions for a debian kernel. |
| 03:08.47 | jkern | sylvisj, I have "BusID "PCI:1:0:0" " in the "Section "Device"" in xorg.conf |
| 03:09.08 | w3rdn4_ | I thought such things were universal with all kernels |
| 03:09.09 | sylvisj | Jkern, that's what I'm needing to find out. What do the #:#:# need to be replaced by? |
| 03:09.10 | w3rdn4_ | :/ |
| 03:09.14 | sylvisj | Nope. |
| 03:09.15 | astronut | what's the program you prefix a program with to use alsa's OSS compatibility? |
| 03:09.18 | gravity | Why are you in here if you're not running Debian? |
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| 03:09.35 | aris | hi |
| 03:09.45 | jkern | sylvisj, lspci ? |
| 03:09.49 | aris | what can i do to make my debian 3.1 detect my 2GB memory |
| 03:10.03 | fbi | astronut: alsa-oss ? what do you mean by 'prefix' |
| 03:10.03 | sylvisj | Mine owuld be PCI:2:9:0 if I'm right. Is lspci a command? |
| 03:10.05 | chealer | astronut: are you thinking about artsdsp? |
| 03:10.14 | quad3d | aris: make sure IO-APIC is enabled and enable big memory to 4Gb |
| 03:10.17 | astronut | chealer: same thing but not arts |
| 03:10.18 | chealer | sylvisj: yes |
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| 03:10.33 | sylvisj | Alright. Will that tell me what I need to know?> |
| 03:10.38 | jkern | sylvisj, lspci is a command the numbers at the beginning should guide you I hope. |
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| 03:10.48 | sylvisj | Thank you. |
| 03:10.52 | quad3d | aris: depend on what you are using to boot you have to re-config either grub or lilo |
| 03:10.56 | chealer | sylvisj: why do you need to know that? |
| 03:10.58 | sylvisj | I'll give it a shot. |
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| 03:11.05 | lvdsn | anyone knows how to install QCAD in debian ? |
| 03:11.06 | aris | quad3d: how can i do that? |
| 03:11.19 | sylvisj | I need to manually input my PCI:#:#:# stuff. |
| 03:11.49 | quad3d | arg.. i was thinking gentoo... well you have to make your own kernel. not sure if default debian 2.4 or 2.6 kernel had the memory space enabled or not |
| 03:11.51 | sylvisj | It keeps trying to use my non-existant AGP slot. |
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| 03:12.06 | sylvisj | It then realizes that I don't have one, and wants my PCI information. I have cards in all three pci slots. |
| 03:12.12 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U there! |
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| 03:12.22 | lvdsn | hello |
| 03:12.25 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: MacMINI IS HERE! |
| 03:12.26 | lvdsn | anyone knows how to install QCAD in debian ? |
| 03:12.27 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what up baby |
| 03:12.30 | w3rdn4_ | how do I access my router from a lan and put files on it? |
| 03:12.31 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: AHHHHHHHHHH (= |
| 03:12.40 | sylvisj | Lol. You don't. |
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| 03:12.47 | sylvisj | w3rdn4_, you don't store files on a router. |
| 03:12.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: took like 6 months but only cost like 100$ |
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| 03:12.55 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: oh my god. (= oh god... what i gonna do? |
| 03:12.55 | nimak | hello, |
| 03:12.56 | sylvisj | A router merely routes internet to your computers. |
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| 03:13.00 | w3rdn4_ | I need to get one file on there |
| 03:13.04 | chealer | lvdsn: by installing the qcad package? |
| 03:13.04 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: huh? |
| 03:13.06 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn 6months )= |
| 03:13.07 | sylvisj | Burn it to a CDRW |
| 03:13.14 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i am gonna hang myself (= |
| 03:13.17 | w3rdn4_ | I have no freaking CDRW!! ARHAHAH |
| 03:13.17 | sylvisj | lspci... i'll hopefully brb on linux. |
| 03:13.26 | w3rdn4_ | is there a way to do it through the network? |
| 03:13.32 | lvdsn | chealer, RIGHT |
| 03:13.37 | sylvisj | If both computers are on, attempt a serial transfer. |
| 03:13.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: tell me the spec? give me the dirts (= |
| 03:13.39 | lvdsn | chealer, but where is ? |
| 03:13.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: well not 6 months but close to two month ;P And I threatened to take them to civil court... |
| 03:13.44 | sylvisj | Possibly USB. Both very advanced. |
| 03:13.45 | nimak | im trying to get hostAP to work on my DWL650, but im having trouble, i've compiled and installed, but wlan0 wont show up |
| 03:13.52 | sylvisj | Brb on Linux. |
| 03:13.56 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nice (= |
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| 03:14.15 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I'm not there.. my parents opened up the box and just asked me wtf is this? I will see it tommorow.. |
| 03:14.16 | chealer | lvdsn: which release do you run? |
| 03:14.21 | aris | is there any debian kernel that will support large memory? |
| 03:14.29 | lvdsn | chealer, sarge |
| 03:14.29 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn (= |
| 03:14.36 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: preety sure just the lowest model mac mini there is ;) |
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| 03:14.53 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: still good. |
| 03:15.06 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Agreed ;) |
| 03:15.13 | w3rdn4_ | what would be a way to view the internet within smoothwall? |
| 03:15.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cant beat a $100 macmini hehehe. |
| 03:15.17 | lvdsn | chealer, i did a apt-cache search qcad but not find it |
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| 03:15.18 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: need to buy ANOTHER wireless usb card :P! |
| 03:15.22 | omegadark | what dir do i use for gd --with-gd=DIR |
| 03:15.38 | chealer | lvdsn: are you sure your sources are OK? |
| 03:15.40 | nimak | can anyone help my with hostAP? |
| 03:16.00 | deadcat | jmd: i just installed cupsys-client. do i have to do anything? |
| 03:16.05 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: why? |
| 03:16.15 | lvdsn | i think so |
| 03:16.15 | jmd | OK. Why does gnome-applets ship a man page for cdplayer-applet when it doesn't ship the binary? |
| 03:16.24 | jmd | deadcat, Did you install the server too? |
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| 03:16.32 | deadcat | jmd: just cupsys-client so far. |
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| 03:16.38 | lvdsn | chealer, i think so but is there more sources please give me |
| 03:16.44 | lvdsn | chealer, it |
| 03:17.03 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: cause this doesnt have a wireless card... and even if it did... doesnt work with linux ;P |
| 03:17.07 | jmd | deadcat, You'll need to install the server. |
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| 03:17.24 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you want the one you gave me back? i got a better looking one (= |
| 03:17.34 | chealer | lvdsn: more than what? I don't know what you have |
| 03:17.37 | deadcat | jmd: ok. so i still have to use cupsys package then? |
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| 03:18.01 | lvdsn | chealer, ok, I will triy again with another sources |
| 03:18.19 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: how much did the better looking one cost.. and no. |
| 03:18.41 | jmd | deadcat, A cups-client is not much use without a server. So if you want to do anything then yes you have to install the server. |
| 03:19.07 | jmd | deadcat, But if you have more than one machine on your network, you only need to install the server on one of them. |
| 03:19.08 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: well. my friend said dont worry about it. but i am not sure if i should pay him back. (= but its $25 - $20 = $5 hawkingtech. same chipset. |
| 03:19.23 | deadcat | jmd: ah. thanks. |
| 03:19.30 | nimak | does anyone know how i can get my wireless card to show up? |
| 03:19.52 | deadcat | jmd: but if i have cupsys, i dont need cupsys-client right? |
| 03:19.56 | nimak | im using hostAP, the card is a DWL 650 |
| 03:20.16 | nimak | its a prism2 card |
| 03:20.25 | jmd | deadcat, You could get away with only cupsys-bsd |
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| 03:20.37 | deadcat | nimak: iwconfig |
| 03:20.40 | jmd | deadcat, But I would recommend installing both if you can. |
| 03:20.45 | deadcat | jmd: k |
| 03:20.53 | nimak | deadcat: iwconfig wont show it |
| 03:21.06 | deadcat | nimak: then its not working. make sure the driver is loaded. |
| 03:21.25 | nimak | its loaded |
| 03:21.42 | deadcat | nimak: dmesg.. |
| 03:21.55 | jmd | The reason is, that some applications print using lp other use lpr Why the hell debian cant make up their minds about which to use is beyond me. It really lets the whole operating system down I think. |
| 03:22.21 | deadcat | jmd: thats why i dont own a printer (= |
| 03:22.49 | nimak | hostap_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL' |
| 03:23.15 | jmd | deadcat, Then that's the reason you're having trouble printing :-) |
| 03:23.23 | Seb | sup yall |
| 03:23.36 | deadcat | nimak: hostap_crypt_wep |
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| 03:23.57 | deadcat | jmd: hehe. i am still waiting for the right laser printer thats cheap hehe |
| 03:24.07 | LlNUX | hello all |
| 03:24.28 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: http://www.hawkingtech.com/products/productlist.php?CatID=19&FamID=33&ProdID=236 |
| 03:24.29 | omegadark | what dir do i point php to for gd support? |
| 03:24.48 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: it aint a buffalo usb card, but looks better than airlink+ hehe |
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| 03:26.11 | jmd | deadcat, Me too. It seems that once you add a ethernet port to a laser printer, the price doubles. |
| 03:26.20 | deadcat | that too |
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| 03:26.40 | jmd | I think my next printer is going to be a canon. |
| 03:26.57 | saik0 | i heart epson |
| 03:27.04 | beoba | good deal?: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7366726&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat33200050002&id=1122653260246 |
| 03:27.24 | deadcat | jmd: those cheap samsung laser printer no good? they were like $25 after rebate last time )= |
| 03:27.30 | jmd | saik0, did you mean 'hate' ?? I can relate to that. |
| 03:27.37 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: that aint preety... :P |
| 03:27.43 | deadcat | )= |
| 03:27.46 | deadcat | hehe |
| 03:27.59 | jmd | deadcat, What rebate ? |
| 03:28.08 | saik0 | jmd, never had a bad experience with one so far ::shrug:; |
| 03:28.09 | chealer | omegadark: what do you mean? you got the php gd package installed? |
| 03:28.16 | nimak | deadcat: what do i use for the hardware address |
| 03:28.18 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: hahaha I just hope frys has the ones I got for 15$.. dont care about looks... just want cheap/linux tested |
| 03:28.20 | omegadark | yes |
| 03:28.23 | deadcat | jmd: last time theres a samsung laser printer for $25 after $60 rebate |
| 03:28.39 | chealer | omegadark: it's not working? |
| 03:28.39 | jmd | deadcat, Who issues the rebate ? |
| 03:28.43 | TwistedEmotions | beoba: hell no... www.pricewatch.com |
| 03:28.46 | deadcat | nimak: hw addr for the wireless device? |
| 03:28.57 | secher | Much like there's no crying in baseball, there should be no "pretty" in computers unless referring to a solution or bit of code. Pretty, Feh, who'da thunk. |
| 03:28.58 | TwistedEmotions | beoba: buy any size drive you want and add a usb casing for it.. |
| 03:29.01 | saik0 | beoba: check froogle too =) |
| 03:29.05 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: if they dont have it. use the one you gave me. |
| 03:29.17 | nimak | can it be anything i want? |
| 03:29.18 | jmd | saik0, Last time I bought an epson (inkjet) I spent more on the catriges in two months than I did on the printer. |
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| 03:29.20 | omegadark | i don't know i have not tested it but getting php4-gd from apt-get, it configures it for php already ? |
| 03:29.24 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: nahh.. keep that just in case |
| 03:29.25 | deadcat | jmd: officedepot or something |
| 03:29.36 | dpower | hey folks, when i apt-get install a .deb...what directory do they install to by default ? |
| 03:29.39 | Seb | epson sucks |
| 03:29.40 | Seb | hp |
| 03:29.42 | Seb | s much better |
| 03:29.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ok.. |
| 03:29.53 | Seb | as far as cartridge consumption goes, at least |
| 03:29.55 | beoba | TwistedEmotions: is such possible without having fans or such on the casing? |
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| 03:30.06 | TwistedEmotions | beoba: http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4435966 |
| 03:30.12 | jmd | dpower, which file of which package are you talking about? |
| 03:30.17 | chealer | jmd: are you trying to teach us that epson sucks? |
| 03:30.20 | saik0 | ugh.....anything hp has ever stuck their name on hates me |
| 03:30.28 | dpower | jmd: irc client |
| 03:30.30 | TwistedEmotions | beoba: and I'm SURE you can even find a cheaper one then that... |
| 03:30.33 | Seb | dpower: dpkg -L packagename list the ocntent of a package |
| 03:30.35 | dpower | the name escapes me ... |
| 03:30.38 | chealer | I'd buy no printer not made by HP |
| 03:30.45 | dpower | ty |
| 03:30.47 | Seb | chealer: heh |
| 03:30.51 | Ryushin | Where is the proper place to add static routes? Should I just add them in the interfaces using the "post-up" after the interface? |
| 03:30.53 | jmd | chealer, Well lets just say that my recent experience hasn't been that good with them. |
| 03:31.05 | Seb | Ryushin: yes |
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| 03:31.06 | secher | I have three printers, and they havent been used in years. they're covered in dust. |
| 03:31.09 | chealer | jmd: old experience suffices for me |
| 03:31.10 | sylvisj | I DID IT |
| 03:31.13 | sylvisj | I'M ON DEBIAN |
| 03:31.20 | Seb | sylvisj: i thought you finally got laid |
| 03:31.21 | beoba | chealer: i have a cheap samsung laser that i swear by |
| 03:31.24 | saik0 | sylvisj, congrats |
| 03:31.24 | dpower | lmao |
| 03:31.26 | beoba | sylvisj: you get a gold star! |
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| 03:31.32 | Ryushin | seb: Thanks. |
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| 03:31.53 | sylvisj | :( TOOK FOREVER TO REALIZE I WAS DOING 2.6 INSTRUCTIONS ON A 2.4 KERNEL |
| 03:31.57 | sylvisj | AND THEN TO GET PAST THE PCI PROB |
| 03:32.02 | sylvisj | BUT IT'S SOOOO SWEET TO BE ON DEBIAN AT LAST |
| 03:32.05 | sylvisj | ok caps done |
| 03:32.13 | RRubin | is there a way to make linux respond on the same ip a request came in on? |
| 03:32.17 | ultravio1et16 | just wanted to stop my gnuplot playing to say "gnuplot rocks my socks" |
| 03:32.31 | Seb | ultravio1et16: it does |
| 03:32.33 | dpower | the package was irssi-text |
| 03:32.37 | jmd | chealer, Yep EPSON in the 1980s was a good company to me. When they did dot matrix printers. |
| 03:32.52 | Seb | RRubin: that didn't make any sense. Try again. Maybe give an example. |
| 03:32.54 | beoba | TwistedEmotions: actually, good idea, because then i can take the harddrive out and use it elsewhere if so desired |
| 03:33.00 | secher | !gnuplot |
| 03:33.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gnuplot is a graphing and plotting program which has nothing to do directly with the GNU project - see http://www.ucc.ie/gnuplot/gnuplot-faq.html [1.2] for the naming history |
| 03:33.02 | beoba | TwistedEmotions: i'll go with your suggestion, thanks |
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| 03:33.07 | ultravio1et16 | irssi is the best irc client ever. |
| 03:33.12 | beoba | ultravio1et16: :D |
| 03:33.21 | jmd | chealer, and the old dot matrix printers are FASTER than a modern laser printer. |
| 03:33.29 | sylvisj | no. KSIRC Is |
| 03:33.35 | Seb | sylvisj: hell no |
| 03:33.38 | sylvisj | :D |
| 03:33.39 | TwistedEmotions | beoba: also it's protable and you can switch HD's if you ever decide on something bigger or whatever ;) Good luck.. |
| 03:33.43 | sylvisj | It is for me. Beats mIRC/Acidmax |
| 03:33.45 | secher | epic4 gets my vote. |
| 03:33.52 | ultravio1et16 | ok back to splots ^^ |
| 03:33.54 | Seb | sylvisj: yeah when mirc is your reference, it's no surprise. |
| 03:34.06 | chealer | epson must have been a good company before they started making printers |
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| 03:34.45 | RRubin | seb: i have a linux box with many ips on different subnets (its a dhcp server) and the 'real' ip address doesnt work from those subnets because while they send a packet to ip on subnet A, the box figures out it can route faster to that box on subnet B (the subnet the client is on).. problem is the client isnt expecting a reply from there, so its broken |
| 03:35.55 | sylvisj | How do I set my system to auto dhclient eth1 instead of eth0? |
| 03:36.04 | Seb | dpkg, tell sylvisj about interfaces |
| 03:36.09 | RRubin | sylvisj: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:36.10 | jkern | sylvisj, man interfaces |
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| 03:36.42 | sylvisj | Thx. |
| 03:36.56 | sylvisj | Alright. For the win. How do I give my sylvisj account root privilages? |
| 03:36.59 | Seb | RRubin: so say GW is a linux box with 3 interfaces: 1 external, 2 subnets. Box A is on subnet 1, box B is on subnet 2. Describe what your problem is using those variables. |
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| 03:37.06 | Seb | sylvisj: you use sudo |
| 03:37.18 | sylvisj | apt-get install sudo? |
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| 03:37.22 | Seb | precisely |
| 03:37.30 | Seb | then man sudoers |
| 03:37.35 | sylvisj | sudoers? |
| 03:37.40 | Seb | examples at the bottom |
| 03:37.47 | Seb | sylvisj: just do that, question later. |
| 03:37.47 | RRubin | seb: if box B contacts the linux box on its A interfaces IP address, it doesnt work (eg, websites wont load) |
| 03:37.48 | dpower | ok i have located the irssi-text |
| 03:37.54 | dpower | how do i get this to run |
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| 03:38.12 | sylvisj | Already did... how do I use it to give myself root rights? |
| 03:38.27 | Seb | RRubin: what website ? Be *specific*. Are you talking about accessing the internet. Or a service on GW ? |
| 03:38.30 | RRubin | sylvisj: edit /etc/sudoers |
| 03:38.36 | Seb | dpkg: run irssi |
| 03:38.40 | Seb | RRubin: man sudoers |
| 03:38.42 | Seb | hrm |
| 03:38.44 | Seb | sylvisj: man sudoers |
| 03:38.45 | saik0 | sylvisj, you need to edit the sudoers file, man sudoers as they said |
| 03:38.50 | Seb | sylvisj: didn't I mention that already ? |
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| 03:38.59 | sylvisj | I'm reading it. |
| 03:39.02 | Seb | sylvisj: didn't I even mention there were examples at the bottom ? |
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| 03:39.05 | RRubin | seb: leme write it up on a webpage real quick, its kinda too complicated for irc |
| 03:39.07 | sylvisj | Thx seb. |
| 03:39.08 | jkern | sylvisj, if you want to become root you can do a " su - " and supply the password. sudo is much preferrable to limit the damage of a newbie with root privileges |
| 03:39.20 | Seb | RRubin: nah, no way. Be concise and specific. |
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| 03:39.32 | sylvisj | Jkern, I've lived off root for about a week and a half with no system damage. |
| 03:39.39 | dpower | run irssi? |
| 03:40.04 | Seb | RRubin: i don't wanna read a full webpage, I want a hosrt description of your problem. Which, as I see it so far, is a misunderstanding of baisc routing principles. |
| 03:40.06 | jkern | sylvisj, famous last words... |
| 03:40.10 | Seb | jkern: hah |
| 03:40.14 | Seb | jkern: very good one :D |
| 03:40.22 | sylvisj | I don't mind reinstalling. |
| 03:40.32 | sylvisj | This has been a huge learning experience and is still one. |
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| 03:41.25 | jkern | sylvisj, have fun!! I have a friend in Maritime Canada who goes nuts in the winter. He installs linux distributions instead of drinking and taking drugs! |
| 03:41.37 | RRubin | seb: the debian box is not the gateway, but has interface on both networks |
| 03:41.49 | sylvisj | I'm 15, jkern. |
| 03:41.52 | sylvisj | Not 21. |
| 03:42.10 | Seb | RRubin: ok. So it's a basic router, routing between 2 subnets. THen ? |
| 03:42.21 | Seb | sylvisj: drugs are fine before 21 |
| 03:42.39 | RRubin | seb: interface eth0 has ip xxx.193.182.9, a real ip. interface eth1 has a 10.0.0.2 ip |
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| 03:42.54 | RRubin | seb: its not routing at all. its just serving dhcp on the 10. subnet |
| 03:42.57 | Seb | RRubin: why does it have a real IP if it's a private subnet ? |
| 03:43.05 | jkern | sylvisj, no age limits for using Linux... |
| 03:43.14 | RRubin | its real ip is used for a webserver |
| 03:43.16 | mozez | any1 know what a file descriptor is? (please don't refer me to a link, i'm just lookin for a short one sentence answer)... |
| 03:43.19 | saik0 | sylvisj, you should move to canada then, drinking age is 18-19 (depending on province) |
| 03:43.24 | sylvisj | Lol. |
| 03:43.27 | sylvisj | I might, no clue. |
| 03:43.37 | sylvisj | Ok, a quick one here - how do I advance the KDE clock by 5 hours? |
| 03:43.45 | sylvisj | It's saying 5:44... it's 10:44 pm. |
| 03:43.48 | Seb | RRubin: and ? |
| 03:43.59 | Seb | sylvisj: tzconfig most likely |
| 03:44.05 | RRubin | seb: and i'd like the 10. subnet hosts to be able to hit the 182.9 ip address's webserver |
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| 03:44.11 | jkern | sylvisj, you have your system clock set to local time instead of gmt. |
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| 03:44.17 | Seb | RRubin: why not make your webserver listen on 10.0.0.2 ? |
| 03:44.20 | sylvisj | Time Zone config: US/Central |
| 03:44.26 | dpowerr | i got irssi to work |
| 03:44.27 | sylvisj | Jkern, Crap... how do I fix that? |
| 03:44.27 | RRubin | so like.. convince the ip stack not to use eth1 unless specificly bound to it |
| 03:44.28 | dpowerr | thx guys |
| 03:44.43 | Seb | RRubin: yeah, you're misunderstanding how IP routing works. |
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| 03:44.50 | RRubin | seb: it does, but the hostname is different, and i dont want to have 2 links saying 'if your on this net click here, otherwise click here' |
| 03:45.07 | jkern | sylvisj, If you are bootin Windows as well then using the tzconfig |
| 03:45.17 | dpowerr | does anyone now how i tab between channels, etc.. |
| 03:45.21 | sylvisj | ...????? |
| 03:45.28 | sylvisj | 'as well then using the tzconfig' |
| 03:45.42 | Seb | dpowerr: alt+number. Read the doc, son. |
| 03:45.42 | jkern | sylvisj, Windows expects the time to be local time, I believe. |
| 03:45.56 | dpower | thx bud i will |
| 03:46.20 | RRubin | seb: basically i dont want the webserver using the other interface, only the dhcp server. no way to do that? |
| 03:46.25 | sylvisj | How do I get Debian to think it's set to local time? |
| 03:46.29 | jkern | sylvisj, If you are also booting Windows on that machine you have to consider how you set the clock. |
| 03:46.39 | Seb | RRubin: you want apache to bind only to the real ip ? |
| 03:46.42 | jkern | sylvisj, tzconfig |
| 03:46.47 | sylvisj | It's set to US/Central. |
| 03:46.52 | Seb | jkern: i don't think so |
| 03:46.52 | sylvisj | Am I going to have to reinstall debian to fix it? |
| 03:46.57 | RRubin | seb: it does. but the linux kernel seems to figure out it has a better route |
| 03:47.01 | Seb | sylvisj: somewhere in baseconfif iirc |
| 03:47.05 | Seb | baseconfig |
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| 03:47.12 | Seb | sylvisj: base-config |
| 03:47.13 | sylvisj | Alright. |
| 03:47.18 | RRubin | seb: im hoping for some kind of linux routing setting that makes it not consider itself as a router option |
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| 03:47.42 | sylvisj | "Is the hardware clock set to GMT?" Do I want this yes or no? |
| 03:47.47 | RRubin | maybe i can set the cost of the other interfaces really high? |
| 03:47.59 | Seb | sylvisj: no |
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| 03:48.08 | jkern | sylvisj, there is a file in /etc/ somewhere you can edit but base-config has been recommended. |
| 03:48.08 | RRubin | sylvisj: yes is better, if you dont dual boot to windows IMO |
| 03:48.18 | Seb | sylvisj: notice how if you pick the wrong one, you can come back to base-config and change it. Spare our time please. |
| 03:48.28 | octoberdan | If some one tells me "show me %env" what do they want? |
| 03:48.31 | sylvisj | I do dual boot, though. |
| 03:48.36 | Seb | octoberdan: echo $env |
| 03:48.39 | sylvisj | Thx seb. |
| 03:48.59 | Seb | octoberdan: or possibly the result of the "env" shell command. Although %env looks awfully like a windows env. variable. |
| 03:49.10 | dpowerr | one more question, how do i tab between this (irssi) and the command line |
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| 03:49.23 | sylvisj | I'm off all. |
| 03:49.24 | Seb | dpowerr: you're in console ? |
| 03:49.27 | dpower | yes |
| 03:49.29 | sylvisj | Thx for all the help. |
| 03:49.32 | Seb | dpowerr: alt-fnumber |
| 03:49.36 | Seb | alt-f1, etc... |
| 03:49.39 | dpower | oh ok |
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| 03:49.53 | sylvisj | Alrigt - what is the hotkey to bring up a terminal, before I leave? |
| 03:50.00 | Seb | dpowerr: if you're gonna remain in console, give "screen" a try, Kicks ass. |
| 03:50.08 | Seb | sylvisj: window manager dependent |
| 03:50.13 | sylvisj | KDE |
| 03:50.25 | Seb | no fucking idea. Edit the KDE keybindings ? |
| 03:50.27 | dpower | what is that |
| 03:50.28 | xixor | screen is awesome |
| 03:50.31 | Seb | i mean come on |
| 03:50.34 | Seb | xixor: sure is |
| 03:50.36 | sylvisj | Any clue where those would be stored? |
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| 03:50.44 | xixor | even in X.. but especially in ssh sessions |
| 03:50.45 | dpower | is that a differernt client? |
| 03:50.50 | xixor | learn to re-attach screen's and your golden |
| 03:50.55 | Seb | sylvisj: you want me to tell ya what th eicon for preferences in kde look like ? |
| 03:51.07 | sylvisj | I'm completely new to it. |
| 03:51.11 | sylvisj | It's like a kid being on windows. |
| 03:51.11 | Seb | xixor: i use screen all the time, everywhere. mutt,slrn,centericq,shell :D |
| 03:51.23 | dpower | ~[ Seb ]~ sorry, is "screen" a command, irc client, etc ? |
| 03:51.26 | apt | okay, dpower |
| 03:51.26 | Seb | sylvisj: experiemtn, search, look for, discover |
| 03:51.27 | dpower | Seb: sorry, is "screen" a command, irc client, etc ? * |
| 03:51.28 | xixor | Seb, : its in my .bashrc to launch always on some systems |
| 03:51.35 | Seb | !screen |
| 03:51.35 | dpkg | from memory, screen is like, allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and let's you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 03:51.48 | sylvisj | I'm getting screen. |
| 03:51.50 | Seb | xixor: if [[ -n $REMOTE_HOST ]] && [[ $REMOTE_HOST != $HOST ]] ; then |
| 03:51.50 | Seb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.53 | dpower | oh ok cool, yes i am noob |
| 03:51.57 | Seb | oops, was supposed to be one line ;) |
| 03:52.10 | dpower | so how can i get a new "screen" |
| 03:52.12 | dpower | whut command? |
| 03:52.31 | sylvisj | Ok... so... how do I start firefox from a terminal? |
| 03:52.33 | Seb | dpower: go read the doc dpkg poiinted first |
| 03:52.39 | sylvisj | I'm thinking exec something |
| 03:52.41 | Seb | sylvisj: take a fucking wild guess |
| 03:52.45 | dpower | oh ok i have to get it |
| 03:52.55 | dpower | thx for your patience, Seb |
| 03:53.00 | Seb | dpower: apt-get install screen will get it, but you prolly need a tutorial |
| 03:53.01 | jkern | sylvisj, do you want to have terminal in X or do you want to change to the text screen mode, ctrl-alt-f2, for example. |
| 03:53.15 | dpower | yea probably |
| 03:53.18 | Seb | dpower: which dpkg pointed out |
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| 03:53.35 | RRubin | seb: in routing metrics, lower is prefered path? |
| 03:53.42 | xixor | Seb: I am copying that down, that is more advanced than mine |
| 03:53.47 | jkern | sylvisj, firefox & |
| 03:53.48 | xixor | Seb: mine does if $STY or something |
| 03:53.50 | Seb | RRubin: i think so. Double-check with google. |
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| 03:54.03 | Seb | xixor: heh. sc is an alias for screen -R -D -A |
| 03:54.08 | Seb | ;) |
| 03:54.34 | xixor | Seb: is there another line to terminate the if? I can never rember the syntax, fi end or something |
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| 03:54.44 | Seb | xixor: so basically it reattaches automaticallyif it found screen v4.x and it's not in screen already |
| 03:54.52 | Seb | xixor: if ... ; then ... ; fi |
| 03:54.55 | Seb | xixor: also, this is zsh |
| 03:54.59 | electron_ | GLib 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GLib |
| 03:55.05 | electron_ | can I fix this with apt-get ? |
| 03:55.09 | xixor | Seb, : ah, I use sh |
| 03:55.14 | deadcat | Seb: i have screen -x -A -RR |
| 03:55.18 | Seb | xixor: i doubt [[ ${$(screen -v)[3]} == 4* ]] will work in bash, for instance |
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| 03:55.31 | xixor | hm..... ok, thanks though |
| 03:55.35 | xixor | i'll check this out |
| 03:55.39 | Seb | deadcat: -D is needed if you forgot to detach from the previous location iirc |
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| 03:56.00 | Seb | xixor: you cna adapt it, no worries. Break it into several lines. Or maybe you don't care for the screen version ;) |
| 03:56.20 | Seb | electron_: apt-get install gaim ? |
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| 03:56.32 | deadcat | Seb: ya. but i prefer to attach to open screen sessions. say screen on desktop, i attach to from laptop via ssh |
| 03:56.41 | mwilson | electron_: What leads you to think you need to build gaim yourself? |
| 03:56.51 | dpower | got it installed |
| 03:56.53 | dpower | now i jsut gotta read up |
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| 03:57.31 | Seb | that owuld make so much more sense as a default |
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| 03:57.37 | mwilson | Because ctrl-Z is an EOF. |
| 03:57.48 | Seb | mwilson: it's actually not. Ctrl-D is. |
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| 03:58.04 | mwilson | Actually it is. |
| 03:58.06 | Seb | mwilson: Ctrl-Z suspends. Which in screen you don't need. |
| 03:58.08 | RRubin | hrm it doesnt seem to be honoring metric in interfaces |
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| 03:58.15 | deadcat | ctrl z is suspend right? |
| 03:58.18 | Seb | yeah |
| 03:58.22 | mwilson | But arguing it with you isn't worth the bother. |
| 03:58.26 | electron_ | Seb, mwilson, Im building gaim-vv |
| 03:58.27 | deadcat | ^a ^z suspends (= |
| 03:58.28 | Seb | definitely not |
| 03:58.37 | Seb | deadcat: ok, but i do use ctrl-a in my shell ;) |
| 03:58.44 | Seb | beginning of line, heh |
| 03:58.44 | CompWizrd | how does one block the Aol System Msg thing in gaim? actually blocking it from the menu doesn't work |
| 03:58.45 | electron_ | http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net |
| 03:58.53 | electron_ | It has Voice and Video support for msn |
| 03:59.02 | deadcat | Seb: ah.. i use that in vi sometimes. but i guess i can live without |
| 03:59.29 | cneufeld | anyone willing to offer some advice on soundcard config? |
| 03:59.42 | Seb | mwilson: that's fine. It still doesn't explain why Ctrl-Z isn't a suitable default for screen's control char. |
| 03:59.51 | electron_ | so do I have to download glib from gtk.org and bulid it or can aptitude do it? |
| 04:00.07 | mwilson | electron_: There's something wrong with the packaged one, of course. |
| 04:00.19 | aurax | gay |
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| 04:00.43 | dpower | wow this is awesome |
| 04:00.46 | dpower | screen that is .. |
| 04:00.51 | deadcat | ya (= |
| 04:00.53 | mwilson | electron_: Well? |
| 04:00.54 | Seb | sure is |
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| 04:00.56 | electron_ | mwilson, so how would I do this? |
| 04:00.58 | deadcat | best application... EVER! |
| 04:01.03 | dpower | got the basics down |
| 04:01.23 | dpower | ctrl-A c |
| 04:01.25 | dpower | and n |
| 04:01.26 | idigital | debian = a lesbian named deb? |
| 04:01.29 | aurax | gay |
| 04:01.32 | aurax | rofl |
| 04:01.32 | dpower | no debbie and ian |
| 04:01.34 | deadcat | yes |
| 04:01.38 | idigital | oh right |
| 04:01.38 | mwilson | .ignore aurax all |
| 04:01.39 | aurax | so what's ubuntu? |
| 04:01.49 | aurax | mwilson !!! |
| 04:01.49 | dpower | ubuntu=biggers noobs than dpower |
| 04:01.50 | aurax | :P |
| 04:01.50 | deadcat | ask in #ununtu |
| 04:02.00 | aurax | i thought ubuntu is the male |
| 04:02.13 | aurax | at least he get some not like #deb's. ... hehehe hehe |
| 04:02.17 | aurax | ;p |
| 04:02.31 | electron_ | mwilson!!! |
| 04:02.37 | aurax | electron_!!! |
| 04:02.46 | electron_ | how do I fix the glib? |
| 04:02.52 | saik0 | ubuntu's name is spelled out on ubuntulinux.org |
| 04:02.52 | aurax | ./fix glib? |
| 04:02.54 | Seb | this is gonna be good |
| 04:03.08 | cneufeld | |
| 04:03.28 | Seb | secher: ;) |
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| 04:04.14 | secher | c'mon guys, perform for us. |
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| 04:04.46 | idigital | ghey! |
| 04:05.07 | Seb | it should all flow fin eform there |
| 04:05.11 | Seb | fine from |
| 04:05.15 | secher | LOL |
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| 04:05.42 | secher | stage fright. |
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| 04:06.04 | Seb | he got pissed when he discovered Ctrl-Z wasn't an EOF |
| 04:06.11 | aurax | shipit owns ! |
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| 04:06.25 | secher | apt seen ElectricElf |
| 04:06.29 | apt | electricelf is currently on #bzflag (3d 2h 11m 24s) #debian (3d 2h 11m 24s) |
| 04:06.35 | deadcat | !start a ctrl-z war |
| 04:06.39 | Seb | hah |
| 04:06.41 | Dasnipa` | hmm anyone have any recommendations on pdf editors? i need to make it browsable(like a clickable contents page) |
| 04:06.50 | Seb | Dasnipa`: pdf creation ? |
| 04:07.17 | Dasnipa` | creation/editing |
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| 04:07.30 | Seb | Dasnipa`: what's "editing" a pdf ? |
| 04:07.45 | Dasnipa` | well okay not editing |
| 04:07.49 | Dasnipa` | creating |
| 04:07.50 | aredhel | Dasnipa`, scribus for creation. |
| 04:07.58 | Dasnipa` | thx |
| 04:08.03 | Seb | Dasnipa`: so you got 3, oo, scribus, ps2pdf |
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| 04:09.24 | secher | Wow. How did I miss netstat? Insanely useful. |
| 04:09.32 | Dasnipa` | can you force apt-get to get everything from the web and not ask for the cd? just outta curiosity didnt see anything in the man |
| 04:09.43 | Seb | Dasnipa`: apt-setup |
| 04:09.54 | Seb | Dasnipa`: or edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the cdrom source(s) |
| 04:10.05 | Dasnipa` | ty |
| 04:10.11 | Seb | anyone got a like a tough question please ? |
| 04:10.55 | secher | Seb, one sec, I have a few.... |
| 04:11.01 | deadcat | Seb: how coldfusion work? |
| 04:11.07 | Seb | haha |
| 04:11.08 | Seb | i knew it |
| 04:11.13 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:11.14 | Seb | i should have specified "*NIX related" :> |
| 04:11.25 | beoba | people use coldfusion? |
| 04:11.35 | Pryon | only monkeys |
| 04:11.42 | secher | coldfustion sucks. I have used. |
| 04:11.43 | deadcat | beoba: not the lang. |
| 04:11.53 | Seb | the actual cold fusion principle. |
| 04:11.57 | Seb | physics |
| 04:12.00 | beoba | o |
| 04:12.11 | beoba | well, that works by making shit up |
| 04:12.12 | secher | no, the netscape suite. |
| 04:12.17 | beoba | and then getting famous off it |
| 04:12.20 | beoba | see: politicians |
| 04:13.24 | secher | Seb: got one.. |
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| 04:15.45 | nimak | modprobe acpi says that there is an error inserting acpi_cpufreq, the device isnt found |
| 04:15.58 | secher | ok, I had 2 interfaces configured, one 192.168.1.4 ( hardwire ) and the other 192.168.1.23 ( wlan ). For some reason when I try to ping, connect to a network whatever with the wlan, eth0 returns an error that the network is unreachable, and so I have to unconfigure eth0 so the wlan'll work. is there a more sensible solution? |
| 04:16.12 | hardwire | eh what? |
| 04:16.25 | nimak | hah |
| 04:16.40 | secher | not you, cabled vs wireless.. go back to sleep. <grin> |
| 04:16.50 | Seb | secher: add a default route ? |
| 04:16.56 | deadcat | Seb: you ahve 2 default gw |
| 04:16.59 | pacman | secher, do you understand the basic concepts of ethernet networking? like the netmask? |
| 04:17.03 | Seb | deadcat: not me ;) |
| 04:17.07 | deadcat | ah. |
| 04:17.10 | deadcat | wronte dude. |
| 04:17.10 | Seb | deadcat: my routing's perfectly on point :> |
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| 04:17.30 | NachoLugli | hy |
| 04:17.35 | NachoLugli | how i can start x? |
| 04:17.43 | gravity | NachoLugli: startx |
| 04:17.46 | Guerin | NachoLugli: startx |
| 04:17.47 | NachoLugli | startx is the command?it says error |
| 04:17.52 | Quinn_Storm | I hate setting up sasl-auth / postfix...I wish there was an easier way to get smtp-auth working. however I did manage to do it...and I even thought to find a way to exclude my anoncvs user! |
| 04:17.53 | gravity | What error? |
| 04:17.56 | Guerin | !set up x |
| 04:17.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 04:17.56 | NachoLugli | wait |
| 04:18.00 | deadcat | NachoLugli: then you need to config it |
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| 04:18.03 | Guerin | commend not found |
| 04:18.04 | Seb | secher: actually pacman's right, you'd be better off setting 2 different subnets for thos NICs. Like a 192.168.0.x and a 192.168.1.x |
| 04:18.12 | NachoLugli | yep |
| 04:18.17 | NachoLugli | command not found |
| 04:18.21 | Guerin | NachoLugli: follow instructions above |
| 04:18.31 | NachoLugli | ok |
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| 04:19.09 | pacman | if you have 2 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 entries in your routing table, you're just playing "pin the packet on the donkey" blindfolded every time you try to use them |
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| 04:19.30 | NachoLugli | guerin what instructions? |
| 04:19.33 | w3rdn4_ | what is a good gui based cd burning software? |
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| 04:20.06 | Seb | w3rdn4_: k3b 's decent. For a kde app. |
| 04:20.42 | Seb | dpkg, tell NachoLugli about set up x |
| 04:20.44 | secher | Seb, can't. two totally different networks, one at work and one at home, home is wlan, work is wired, and both use the 192.168.1.* subnet, unless I want to change all of the systems in the house. |
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| 04:21.11 | NachoLugli | ah ok |
| 04:21.19 | pacman | secher, this is the problem with the overuse of "private" networks. Eventually you get collisions when someone wants to connect to 2 of them at once. |
| 04:21.22 | Seb | secher: hrm, you made it sound like you had those 2 subnets connected to *one* box |
| 04:21.30 | nimak | is there any way to get modprobe to load acpi without loading acpi_cpufreq? |
| 04:22.04 | Seb | nimak: maybe there's an option to the acpi module to do it. Look in the doc for this module. |
| 04:22.14 | nimak | thanks |
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| 04:22.44 | secher | it's not really that big a deal, i just thought we could fill in a slow period. |
| 04:23.46 | pacman | secher, if there are no individual IP address collisions, you could route them all one by one |
| 04:23.47 | Guerin | secher: write a script which detect which you want, and brings up your network apropriately |
| 04:24.05 | fireguy` | when I run a firewall like firestarter, how do I tell that it's actually active? I believe firewalls like firehol,firestarter use iptables ... so do I need to know how iptables is working? |
| 04:24.19 | Seb | fireguy`: iptables -L |
| 04:24.20 | Guerin | fireguy`: iptables -L -v -n |
| 04:24.38 | fireguy` | Seb/Guerin: thanks |
| 04:25.29 | w3rdn4_ | how do you exit vi and save everything you just inserted? |
| 04:25.41 | deadcat | :wq |
| 04:25.43 | Phated | w3rdn4_: Esc, :wq. |
| 04:26.07 | pacman | random complaint of the day: why doesn't iptables allow combining of single-letter options like normal tools do? iptables -Ln doesn't work like iptables -L -n |
| 04:26.24 | deadcat | Seb: rpm is (= |
| 04:26.34 | Seb | deadcat: no, I mean litteraly |
| 04:26.36 | secher | Damn. I've spent the last three days fixing all of the little annoying bits, and now when there's an abundance of knowledge to be had for help, I've got the worst fixed. Feh. lousy timing on my part. |
| 04:26.41 | deadcat | Seb: hahah |
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| 04:26.52 | Seb | i wonder how that escaped me for so long :> |
| 04:27.09 | w3rdn4_ | thank you |
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| 04:28.29 | mebsd | vi is good |
| 04:28.33 | mebsd | vim is better |
| 04:28.47 | cockslap | hence the improved part |
| 04:28.50 | cockslap | :[ |
| 04:28.54 | mebsd | yah |
| 04:29.15 | deadcat | !start a editor war |
| 04:29.24 | deadcat | !start an editor war |
| 04:29.24 | dpkg | vim doesn't deserve to be in BSD |
| 04:29.25 | mwilson | pacman: Why haven't you written a patch to implement that behavior? |
| 04:29.36 | Seb | aaaaah |
| 04:29.40 | Seb | at last |
| 04:29.42 | mebsd | vim 6.3.85 now.. |
| 04:30.00 | Seb | deadcat: this is a double-edged start of an editor war :> |
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| 04:30.14 | beoba | i'll vim you! |
| 04:30.23 | cockslap | !start an editor war |
| 04:30.23 | dpkg | xemacs users need to get a life |
| 04:30.27 | cockslap | !start an editor war |
| 04:30.46 | pacman | mwilson, I just noticed iptables -nL works though, so it's a matter of -L accepting an optional argument in "squished" format... |
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| 04:31.01 | secher | Wierd. I just ran nessus against my gateway, and it reports that in ssh, root has no password, but indeed, it does, cause it's f1lthm0nger, it's the one I use for all of my accounts. |
| 04:31.29 | Seb | secher: baiting for your honeypot homeboy ? |
| 04:31.39 | beoba | linus is my homeboy |
| 04:31.46 | mwilson | Seb: Sadly, there are plenty of people stupid enough to fall for it. |
| 04:32.04 | Seb | mwilson: I am very convinced of that indeed. |
| 04:32.07 | secher | Lol. Nah, was just trying to elicit some *WHAT* response from teh channel. |
| 04:32.47 | mebsd | so, has debian got xorg yet? |
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| 04:32.56 | deadcat | mebsd: /topic |
| 04:33.06 | gravity | Yes we do |
| 04:33.08 | mwilson | mebsd: Some time ago. What, can't be bothered to check for yourself? |
| 04:33.10 | secher | but I was partly serious, nessus is reporting that the root acct has no pw. WTF? |
| 04:33.14 | mrapples | hey guys im sshed into my server and getting "Error opening terminal: rxvt-unicode," is there a way i can get it to recognize it without install urxvt? |
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| 04:33.32 | mwilson | mrapples: Install the terminfo for it. |
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| 04:33.41 | mebsd | but xorg crash alot in debian right |
| 04:33.52 | mrapples | mwilson, thanks, ill check that out |
| 04:33.54 | mwilson | mrapples: But it's far easier to just set the terminal to something that IS recognized. |
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| 04:33.57 | deadcat | mebsd: no |
| 04:34.13 | mwilson | mebsd: Man, you're not even a particularly *intelligent* troll, are you? |
| 04:34.17 | Seb | mrapples: export TERM=somethingknown |
| 04:34.19 | gravity | mebsd: No more than in other distros |
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| 04:34.51 | mebsd | lol |
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| 04:35.00 | w3rdn4_ | ook I just setup my server |
| 04:35.02 | w3rdn4_ | hehe |
| 04:35.09 | mebsd | man debian sucks mwilson |
| 04:35.18 | mwilson | mebsd: If you say so. |
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| 04:36.51 | Seb | wroooong picture |
| 04:36.52 | gravity | I can't find that manpage |
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| 04:37.04 | deadcat | Seb: ya. deb sucks, ian tickles his ass (= |
| 04:37.12 | Seb | heheh |
| 04:37.15 | w3rdn4_ | can anyone tell me if they get any music from my shoutcast server |
| 04:37.16 | gravity | ew |
| 04:37.16 | w3rdn4_ | http://24.250.156.29:8000/listen.pls |
| 04:37.20 | Seb | like I said, *wroooooong* :> |
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| 04:37.24 | gravity | I haven't met ian yet, but I plan on it... so don't do that |
| 04:37.38 | Seb | w3rdn4_: what kinda music ? |
| 04:37.40 | secher | Seb:: NOOOOOOO.. |
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| 04:37.58 | w3rdn4_ | trance |
| 04:38.16 | Seb | no thanks |
| 04:38.18 | mwilson | I thought you said there was music there. |
| 04:38.25 | Seb | heheh |
| 04:38.37 | w3rdn4_ | I am wondering why it is not being broadcasted out on the net hmmm |
| 04:38.44 | mwilson | Figured he was fishing for the comment anyway, might as well make it. |
| 04:38.48 | secher | "music" is relative. |
| 04:39.02 | mwilson | Nah, none of my relatives are musical. |
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| 04:39.17 | aquafuego | s |
| 04:39.23 | Seb | t |
| 04:39.27 | mwilson | u |
| 04:39.30 | Seb | nice |
| 04:39.50 | deadcat | g |
| 04:40.03 | aquafuego | en donde estoy? |
| 04:40.08 | Seb | !es |
| 04:40.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:40.25 | aquafuego | gracias |
| 04:40.36 | aquafuego | dpkg.. buen nick |
| 04:40.48 | gravity | :-\ |
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| 04:42.01 | secher | NIce. I just hit my gateway with the full load of Nessus tests, and except for a false positive with the root account in ssh, I'm pretty solid. now to learn snort. |
| 04:42.57 | din | gn |
| 04:43.06 | secher | n |
| 04:43.25 | Seb | dpkg, tell din about away |
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| 04:44.58 | qwertz | Hi, I need to mirror some directories from one server to another I could use rsync for this but isn't there some instant-copy tool, that moves each new/altered file to the backup server? |
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| 04:45.09 | mwilson | Yes, it's called rsync. |
| 04:45.21 | Seb | qwertz: how about nfs ? |
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| 04:45.56 | pacman | rsync is good. if you're thinking of a more primitive version of the rsync idea, it might be rdist. |
| 04:45.56 | meff | cron a frequent rsync |
| 04:46.11 | qwertz | mwilson, so I can run rsync in some instant copy mode? |
| 04:46.22 | dondelelcaro | wtf does "instant copy mode" mean? |
| 04:46.33 | qwertz | Seb, I need the backups cause the main server is down from time to time but thanks for the suggestion |
| 04:46.46 | pacman | dondelelcaro, I dunno but it might involve changing the curvature of spacetime |
| 04:46.48 | qwertz | meff, that's what we are doing right now |
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| 04:47.20 | w3rdn4 | ok I have a computer running smoothwall, and I want that computer to also be a broadcasting server using shoutcast. but for some reason the shoutcast server does not show up to anyone outside of my lan, any idea as to why? |
| 04:47.26 | dondelelcaro | pacman: or it's "instant" like "instant cofee" is "instant". [IE, a strange new definition of "instant" that I was not previously aware of...] |
| 04:47.38 | chealer | arg, is bugs.d.o OK? |
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| 04:47.51 | dondelelcaro | chealer: seems so |
| 04:47.51 | qwertz | dondelelcaro, this should mean when a file is written to the main server it should also be written to the backup server, lets call it network raid 1 |
| 04:48.08 | dondelelcaro | well, save for the part that someone broke the CGI script |
| 04:48.10 | w3rdn4 | can anyone get a website up with that |
| 04:48.11 | w3rdn4 | http://24.250.156.29:8000 |
| 04:48.19 | dondelelcaro | chealer: you can use http://bugs.donarmstrong.com for the time being. |
| 04:49.09 | chealer | dondelelcaro: hehe, always something in your sleave? ;) |
| 04:49.10 | pacman | ok, he means a replicating filesystem |
| 04:49.12 | chealer | thanks |
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| 04:51.04 | secher | Wow, it's been a long time since I've had 16 hours straight on my computers. I'd forgotten how pleasant it can be, a day of phosphors painting green lettered questions for me to solve, the weight of electrons settling in fingertips tapping stacatto bridges as we meet friends we'll never see. |
| 04:51.44 | dondelelcaro | chealer: I fixed it now... |
| 04:52.12 | chealer | dondelelcaro: is that the second sleave? ;) |
| 04:52.49 | secher | Don, how do you pronounce your nick? |
| 04:53.05 | Seb | like it's spelt |
| 04:53.55 | kingsley__ | What's a good way to backup a hard disk to multiple DVDs? |
| 04:54.06 | secher | tar and cpio |
| 04:54.08 | meff | growisofs and mkisofs |
| 04:54.26 | meff | and possibly dd and bzip2 :P |
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| 04:55.11 | secher | meff is right, I'm just feeling a little smartalecky this evening. |
| 04:55.14 | secher | err. morning. |
| 04:55.14 | mrapples | mwilson, i grabbed rxvt-unicode.terminfo from their cvs and put it in as /etc/terminfo/r/rxvt-unicode and i still get the error, any thoughts on that? |
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| 04:56.09 | kingsley__ | meff: Thanks. |
| 04:56.17 | Quinn_Storm | that reminds me, I have two systems, and plan on using one as a backup target. I just want to back up certain paths on my server, want to automate it as a cron job, and want to keep at least a few old backups around. Is there a good solution out there or should I just roll my own with bzip2/tar/ssh/bash? |
| 04:56.54 | meff | kingsley__: also look into dar.. its like tar but quite more advanced, supports splitting up the archive, compressing.. etc.. |
| 04:57.09 | meff | kingsley__: you could dd the disk, then dar/bzip2 it into 4gb chunks |
| 04:57.38 | pacman | wasn't "Dar" the name of the guy in some talking-to-the-animals movie? Beast-Talker or something like that |
| 04:57.41 | secher | I can't believe Debian does not have an "all in one" backup application. |
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| 04:58.19 | meff | secher: well, dar is mostly made for backups.. |
| 04:58.26 | quetK | hey |
| 04:58.34 | quetK | how i cant mount floppy on debian? |
| 04:58.42 | meff | mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy |
| 04:58.57 | quetK | fd0 is not in /dev directoiry :s |
| 04:59.06 | meff | then you dont have a floppy ;) |
| 04:59.11 | quetK | :s |
| 04:59.12 | kingsley__ | meff: I'm thinking of something like $tar -Mcf - | growisofs |
| 04:59.14 | quetK | yes i have |
| 04:59.15 | quetK | :s |
| 04:59.16 | quetK | ok |
| 04:59.17 | quetK | thanks |
| 04:59.19 | secher | quetK: but make sure the directories are there. |
| 04:59.30 | quetK | well |
| 04:59.35 | quetK | thanks anyways |
| 04:59.52 | meff | kingsley__: hmm.. definately take a look at dar.. like i said i'd dd it, the dar it into 4gb chunks.. dar has quite a bit more backup-ish features than tar. |
| 05:00.19 | secher | how is partimage? anyone used it? |
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| 05:00.37 | Dasnipa` | c++ |
| 05:00.40 | Dasnipa` | c++ run |
| 05:00.43 | Dasnipa` | run ++ run |
| 05:00.56 | secher | <grin> nice. |
| 05:01.00 | Quinn_Storm | hmm now there needs to be an app called run++ |
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| 05:04.11 | w3rdn4 | ok, I am unhappy with smoothwall and need a new type of software to run my routing systems, any suggestion on a debian iso that can act as my router ? |
| 05:04.29 | secher | now there'd be a useful utility. an apt-cache search add-on that'll grab the man page from a listed package and dump it to stdout. |
| 05:04.58 | Quinn_Storm | secher: yeah, or maybe even a specialized combination man + README.Debian |
| 05:05.01 | mwilson | Isn't there already one? I think they call it... 'man'. |
| 05:05.25 | meff | w3rdn4: look at shorewall and firehol, however dunno if they're on the iso.. they're tiny to apt-get though. |
| 05:05.28 | pacman | first you need the server containing the unpacked .debs so you can download files selectively... |
| 05:06.00 | secher | not sure what slbackup does? run apt-cache manget slbackup |
| 05:06.03 | Quinn_Storm | yeah thats a problem, though you could always have a minidoc file alongside the debs... |
| 05:06.21 | secher | mwilson: I meant for uninstalled packages. |
| 05:06.22 | w3rdn4 | meff, Is there a iso image of debian that fits on one cd? |
| 05:06.33 | mwilson | Yeah, you could always consume even MORE mirror space on machines Debian doesn't own. Gee, that makes sense... not. |
| 05:06.45 | mwilson | w3rdn4: They all fit on one CD. |
| 05:07.03 | mwilson | w3rdn4: That's kinda part of the definition of "ISO image". |
| 05:07.09 | Quinn_Storm | mwilson: gzipped text doc files aren't exactly that big |
| 05:07.16 | w3rdn4 | well why is there 12 binary.iso files! |
| 05:07.22 | w3rdn4 | ftp://ftp.keystealth.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 05:07.30 | meff | w3rdn4: get netinst and stfu :) |
| 05:07.35 | w3rdn4 | LOL |
| 05:07.48 | w3rdn4 | found it :) |
| 05:08.03 | mwilson | Quinn_Storm: Nor are they exactly that small, when multiplied by 10k+ packages. I'm sure the mirror operators are more than willing to contribute the extra space, as well as the extra time to sync the mirrors. |
| 05:08.07 | mwilson | </sarcasm> |
| 05:08.13 | secher | I was thinking more along the lines of cracking open a deb on the mirror, grabbing the man page and pulling it down to /tmp and lessing it locally. |
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| 05:09.01 | pacman | I really liked the good old ftp.x.org server where the source for everything was in /pub/X11R5/untarred (or similar) and you could go get whichever file you wanted |
| 05:09.19 | Quinn_Storm | secher: well that unfortunately would consume mirror cpu... |
| 05:09.36 | mwilson | secher: Not to mention being terribly silly. |
| 05:09.47 | secher | anyway, peace all. have to get up in 5 hours for work. night. |
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| 05:09.50 | Seb | secher: really, the debina way of doing is to apt-get install the package, look at it, and apt-get remove if you don't like it |
| 05:10.18 | mwilson | If Debian determined this was a good idea, why not do it a la OpenBSD? |
| 05:10.39 | pacman | or you just google it and read the docs on the upstream source site, which will usually have READMEs and other blurbs available. |
| 05:10.45 | Seb | mwilson: describe... |
| 05:11.01 | mwilson | pacman: The basic problem with the entire premise is that people no longer know how to read. |
| 05:11.10 | pacman | yes, BSD is another good example you can find their full untarred source tree on the FTP site. |
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| 05:11.48 | mebsd | what you think of bsd |
| 05:11.50 | mebsd | rocks? |
| 05:12.07 | mwilson | Oh, here we go again. |
| 05:12.07 | Seb | yeah |
| 05:12.19 | Quinn_Storm | bsd is like gentoo...except not as good :-P |
| 05:12.28 | Seb | Quinn_Storm: that'd be bullshit |
| 05:12.32 | mwilson | Quinn_Storm: How is BSD like Gentoo? |
| 05:12.34 | dondelelcaro | pacman: just download the .tar.gz, diff.gz and .dsc already. |
| 05:12.38 | Quinn_Storm | you have to compile EVERYTHING |
| 05:12.42 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it's difficult. |
| 05:12.44 | Seb | Quinn_Storm: bsd has packages, holmes |
| 05:12.50 | mwilson | Quinn_Storm: Really? When did you make that decision for the BSD's? |
| 05:12.54 | Seb | Quinn_Storm: if you don't know, don't say |
| 05:12.56 | mwilson | Quinn_Storm: Were you going to tell them? |
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| 05:13.13 | Quinn_Storm | ok, I'll put it this way, if you don't want extremely out-of-date packages... |
| 05:13.21 | Seb | Quinn_Storm: bullshit again |
| 05:13.28 | Quinn_Storm | well I'll admit I only tried Free for desktop use |
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| 05:13.43 | Seb | Quinn_Storm: the one from 4 years ago ? |
| 05:14.03 | Quinn_Storm | Seb: no, it was...*checks her CD* |
| 05:14.13 | mwilson | (wait for it...) |
| 05:14.48 | Quinn_Storm | 5.3-release and then 5.4-beta1 |
| 05:14.50 | Horde | ok guys, totaly new to linux and i just finished the install and im at the prompt part.....what do i do? |
| 05:15.01 | Seb | Quinn_Storm: and so what wasn't packaged in there ? |
| 05:15.03 | mwilson | Horde: Use the box, of course. |
| 05:15.11 | Seb | heh |
| 05:15.16 | Horde | heh yeah but do WHAT on the box? |
| 05:15.18 | Horde | like |
| 05:15.19 | mwilson | Horde: Why did you install it, otherwise? |
| 05:15.20 | Horde | uhmmm |
| 05:15.23 | Quinn_Storm | it was that the packages were out of date and that there wasn't any clear centralized package management for keeping things up-to-date |
| 05:15.29 | NachoLugli | hello? |
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| 05:15.35 | Horde | its not on the box im using atm |
| 05:15.36 | adi_ | Horde, have someone ever asked you "ok i'm on windows desktop.. now.. what should i do?" |
| 05:15.44 | mwilson | Quinn_Storm: Wow... you're really not very good at this trolling thing, are you? |
| 05:15.45 | w3rdn4 | LOL |
| 05:15.45 | servus | apt-get install freecell |
| 05:15.47 | pacman | Horde: /usr/games/wump |
| 05:15.59 | mebsd | i'll only use windows and linux as desktop |
| 05:16.04 | servus | Eww it's a girl! |
| 05:16.05 | Horde | lol no i mean like hoe do i get to the desktop bit |
| 05:16.06 | Horde | ? |
| 05:16.11 | mebsd | you know jackshit, Quinn_Storm |
| 05:16.17 | Seb | Quinn_Storm: well you expected something like Debian, and found BSD was different, and left it at that without looking more into how the BSD package management ysstem works ? |
| 05:16.19 | mwilson | The *BSD's* don't have centralized package management. Uh, huh. Right. Sure. |
| 05:16.24 | Horde | how* |
| 05:16.30 | Quinn_Storm | is that what I said, mwilson ? no. |
| 05:16.38 | Seb | dpkg, tell Horde about set up x |
| 05:16.41 | mwilson | [22:15] <Quinn_Storm> it was that the packages were out of date and that there |
| 05:16.41 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.41 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.51 | mwilson | Yeah, actually it IS pretty much what you said. |
| 05:16.51 | servus | Horde: "apt-get install xserver-xorg kde" might be most comfortable for a Windows user |
| 05:16.54 | Quinn_Storm | right, thats not the same as "no centralized package management" |
| 05:17.20 | mebsd | bsd is good, but slackware is better |
| 05:17.26 | Quinn_Storm | what I meant specifically was that there was no command / set of commands I could issue that would approximate "apt-get update / apt-get dist-upgrade" unless I wanted to allow compiling things from source |
| 05:17.27 | Seb | mebsd: shut the fuck up please |
| 05:17.33 | mebsd | no |
| 05:17.39 | mebsd | it's the truth |
| 05:17.46 | Seb | 'me sings stfu stfu |
| 05:17.51 | Seb | then ignores |
| 05:17.52 | Seb | there |
| 05:17.53 | mebsd | slackware is most unix-like linux |
| 05:17.59 | mebsd | at least slackware try to be like unix |
| 05:18.03 | mrapples | mwilson, i grabbed rxvt-unicode.terminfo from their cvs and put it in as /etc/terminfo/r/rxvt-unicode and i still get the error, any thoughts on that? |
| 05:18.03 | servus | apt-get install plan9? |
| 05:18.15 | Seb | Quinn_Storm: this is alreayd much closer to the truth |
| 05:18.19 | mwilson | mrapples: None at all. I have no use for rxvt of any vintage. |
| 05:18.40 | mrapples | mwilson, thanks anyway |
| 05:18.41 | Seb | mrapples: export TERM=xterm, then try whatever's failing now |
| 05:18.50 | mwilson | mrapples: I will say that if you didn't bother to compile the definition, it's not going to work very well, or at all. |
| 05:18.55 | pacman | how _do_ you live without the Tek window... |
| 05:19.06 | mrapples | mwilson, that helps, thanks |
| 05:19.26 | mrapples | Seb, ill give that a shot |
| 05:19.40 | Quinn_Storm | and when it comes to linux...I started with slackware around '95 or '96...so I -do- know what slackware is/was like. I know it couldn't have been before then b/c it was around the time I got a computer with "windows 95" on it. (slackware & linux are what prompted me to convince my family to drop AOL for a better ISP around then) |
| 05:19.48 | mwilson | pacman: You mean, how do I live without running around whining about saving a few K of RAM using this terminal or that terminal? Very easily. Xterm "just works". 'Nuff said. |
| 05:20.18 | pacman | I wish I knew how to do something with the Tek window. |
| 05:20.23 | mebsd | slackware was the only linux at that time |
| 05:20.37 | cahoot | mebsd: it was? |
| 05:20.38 | mebsd | now too many stupid distribution |
| 05:20.46 | mebsd | yah slackware used to be like bsd |
| 05:20.57 | Seb | Quinn_Storm: smart move |
| 05:20.59 | servus | Smurf? |
| 05:21.01 | mrapples | Seb, that helped, thanks |
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| 05:21.15 | Seb | mrapples: note how I said that like 1 hour ago ;) |
| 05:21.29 | Horde | is there any other way to get a desktp environment sept from an internet DL? |
| 05:21.30 | Horde | like |
| 05:21.37 | Horde | is there an iso i can get? |
| 05:21.47 | Seb | Horde: how did you install ? |
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| 05:22.03 | Horde | binary CD's |
| 05:22.04 | pacman | Horde, you're obviously pretty clueless. Try running "tasksel" |
| 05:22.06 | mrapples | Seb, i guess i missed that somehow, sorry to have you repeat yourself |
| 05:22.20 | Seb | mrapples: it's ok, with a 1h interval, I don't mind :D |
| 05:22.25 | mrapples | heh |
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| 05:22.52 | sn00p | yep |
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| 05:23.04 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: really have gdub huh? |
| 05:23.04 | sn00p | hi everybody |
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| 05:23.12 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: ? |
| 05:23.14 | sn00p | where do u come from? |
| 05:23.16 | TwistedEmotions | *hate |
| 05:23.24 | Horde | yeah im totaly clueless, and i just did tasksel and it just had the cmpt:~# prompt |
| 05:23.40 | TwistedEmotions | wait.. u banned someone else... just kidding. |
| 05:24.05 | sn00p | i'm french, and i wanna improve my english ,can somebody help me? |
| 05:24.22 | norskfjord | When will some one include Gaim-vv in aptitude!? |
| 05:24.29 | Seb | sn00p: pas le bon chan mec |
| 05:24.44 | pacman | go to work translating Debian packages from English to French. The French users will be grateful and you'll learn to understand English technical writing along the way! |
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| 05:24.52 | Seb | heh |
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| 05:24.56 | Seb | pacman: :) |
| 05:25.08 | beleys | Yop |
| 05:25.12 | Quinn_Storm | as they say on a mailing list I am on, pacman++ |
| 05:25.21 | sn00p | tu me conseil koi seb? |
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| 05:25.41 | Horde | anyone know whats wrong? or what im doing wrong? |
| 05:25.49 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 05:25.59 | Seb | sn00p: qqchose de pas lie a linux; list ts les channels et choisis-en un bien general. |
| 05:26.09 | sn00p | oki |
| 05:26.11 | sn00p | merci |
| 05:26.13 | Seb | np |
| 05:26.15 | sn00p | au plaisir |
| 05:26.18 | Quinn_Storm | norskfjord: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=gaim-vv&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 05:26.18 | Seb | heh |
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| 05:28.37 | norskfjord | how do I install .deb ? |
| 05:28.42 | eL_CenTineLa | hi ? |
| 05:28.43 | eL_CenTineLa | xD |
| 05:28.52 | KillBot | Meh |
| 05:28.55 | egon_spengler | dpkg -i *.deb? |
| 05:29.19 | Quinn_Storm | norskfjord: the information in the apt-get.org site is to be put in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:29.53 | norskfjord | Im just downloading the gaim-vv.deb file |
| 05:29.55 | norskfjord | easyer |
| 05:30.02 | Seb | egon_spengler: yeah |
| 05:30.04 | KillBot | who was it that read that banary lastnight |
| 05:30.13 | KillBot | binary* |
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| 05:30.35 | Quinn_Storm | norskfjord: well...yeah but harder to maintain...the point of adding apt sources is so you can apt-get update / apt-get dist-upgrade later |
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| 05:30.49 | DanC | ugh... I'm stuck... |
| 05:30.50 | DanC | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.52 | Horde | uhm tasksel doesent seem to be doing anything....help.... |
| 05:31.00 | DanC | so I can't apt-get -f install |
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| 05:31.47 | mwilson | DanC: <shrug> So remove the conflicting package. Not like it's a big deal. |
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| 05:32.07 | mwilson | wget supports NTLM now? Cool... didn't know that. |
| 05:32.21 | DanC | $ sudo apt-get remove libdjvulibre1 gives dependency conflicts |
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| 05:32.30 | Quinn_Storm | wget supports everything but the kitchen sink.... |
| 05:32.33 | mwilson | No, the other one. |
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| 05:32.40 | Horde | anyone? also if i type "exec tasksel" it logs me out |
| 05:32.50 | mwilson | Horde: Well, yeah. |
| 05:32.58 | Quinn_Storm | Horde: of course, because exec replaces your shell with whatever you exec |
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| 05:33.14 | mwilson | Horde: Running commands at random often does unexpected things. |
| 05:33.50 | DanC | mwilson, I can't tell which other one. one of evince and gpdf is required by gnome-desktop-environment, and evince seems to depend on conflicting packages or something |
| 05:34.02 | pacman | Horde, are you clueless about Debian specifically, or unix operating systems generally? If it's just Debian, we might be able to help. Otherwise, you're just wasting time |
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| 05:34.10 | Quinn_Storm | mwilson: that line belongs in dpkg somewhere |
| 05:34.17 | Quinn_Storm | the bot that is |
| 05:34.29 | dpower | what do i need to add to the rmdir command to remove non empty directories? |
| 05:34.37 | mwilson | DanC: You can't satisfy g-d-e's dependencies in unstable. This is extremely old news. |
| 05:34.37 | Seb | !random |
| 05:34.43 | mwilson | dpower: man rm |
| 05:34.43 | trollboy | I installed apache2 and php5 via apt-get |
| 05:34.45 | Horde | uhmmm well both i guess.... |
| 05:34.52 | dpower | bah |
| 05:34.53 | dpower | ok |
| 05:34.55 | trollboy | where is the httpd.conf located for that |
| 05:35.05 | Seb | dpower: rm -fr /the/dir |
| 05:35.12 | dpower | thank you |
| 05:35.15 | trollboy | I'm looking for what configures .php to be handled by .php |
| 05:35.21 | Seb | trollboy: dpkg -L thepackage |
| 05:35.33 | mwilson | trollboy: So... no actual idea of how to administer Apache, huh? |
| 05:35.41 | Seb | trollboy: rgrep php /etc/ would be a more brute-force solution |
| 05:35.47 | trollboy | mwilson, apache1, not apache2 |
| 05:35.51 | Horde | in that case, anyone know a good irc chan/server to get started on ;inux with?? |
| 05:35.54 | Horde | linux* |
| 05:35.54 | DanC | mwilson, I missed the news. where are folks expected to learn such things? what am I not reading that I should be? |
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| 05:36.16 | mwilson | DanC: debian-user, debian-devel, the BTS pages, etc, etc. |
| 05:36.41 | mwilson | DanC: Probably less than 30 sec of Google would have found relevant information. |
| 05:37.35 | EdLin | Horde: read a book or failing that something on the web, you're not going to learn elementary Unix information by hanging out on IRC. |
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| 05:37.43 | DanC | thanks for the clues, mwilson. I didn't know which google keywords to start with, though. |
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| 05:38.05 | Seb | DanC: always check the BTS first, for the involved packages |
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| 05:38.20 | DanC | as far as I knew, there were hundreds of involved packages |
| 05:38.25 | xfoxx | The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory. |
| 05:38.25 | xfoxx | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 05:38.25 | xfoxx | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] any one help?? |
| 05:38.39 | Seb | xfoxx: install the headers for your running kernel |
| 05:38.50 | xfoxx | apt-get install headers?? |
| 05:38.57 | Seb | xfoxx: uname -a |
| 05:39.35 | DanC | because the diagnostic was about libdjvulibre1 ; gnome-desktop-environment was several hops away |
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| 05:39.49 | DanC | and within those several hops, several dozen/hundred packages were also involved |
| 05:39.50 | Horde | true, but i could also get step-by-step help on things i dont understand on irc |
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| 05:40.11 | xfoxx | Seb, this is what i get Linux cbl-st-01-233 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Thu May 19 17:40:50 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:40.15 | Seb | Horde: you mean waste our time rather than learn with a book ? |
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| 05:40.28 | EdLin | Horde: IRC is best if you have a specific problem, your specific problem is that you don't know jack shit - so you need more than IRC. |
| 05:40.30 | mwilson | Where did I give you any idea whatsoever that g-d-e was related to your problem with libdjwhateveritis? |
| 05:40.32 | Seb | xfoxx: then apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 05:40.34 | DanC | hmm... bug #327145 doesn't seem to be relevant to evince/gpdf |
| 05:40.45 | norskfjord | how come debian doesn't update within years of everyone else |
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| 05:40.57 | norskfjord | to the point where its obsolete |
| 05:40.59 | DanC | <mwilson> DanC: You can't satisfy g-d-e's dependencies in unstable. This is extremely old news. |
| 05:41.00 | dondelelcaro | norskfjord: ? |
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| 05:41.06 | Seb | DanC: arguing with mwilson will prove... painful. For you, I mean. |
| 05:41.10 | deadcat | norskfjord: you using the wrong tree then |
| 05:41.11 | Quinn_Storm | norskfjord: totally depends on the package |
| 05:41.23 | Seb | DanC: I know ;) |
| 05:41.28 | norskfjord | Im talking about releases |
| 05:41.36 | deadcat | norskfjord: when its ready |
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| 05:41.49 | Horde | heh go easy i am new to all this....it just seemed a good idea and i AM looking for installation help on google but it doesent really make any sense |
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| 05:41.57 | pacman | Horde, you might try apt-get install x-window-system, or apt-get install tasksel ; tasksel ... but seriously, there are dozens of hours of learning required to become minimally competent at using a computer. And if it's your first time using an OS in the unix family, you're starting from scratch. You need a book or a personal tutor, online help is not enough. |
| 05:41.59 | deadcat | norskfjord: will it make you feel better if they say "new release" ? |
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| 05:42.15 | dondelelcaro | norskfjord: what about it? We release stable releases that are actually stable. Testing requires time. Feel free to use another distro or testing or unstable if it's not recent enough for you. |
| 05:42.20 | mwilson | DanC: You made a statement about g-d-e and xpdf/evince. I responded to it. Nowhere did I mention this library you've broken. |
| 05:42.36 | mwilson | DanC: Other than telling you to remove said broken library. |
| 05:42.46 | varsendagger | hey i have a perl and XML question |
| 05:42.50 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #327145 |
| 05:42.53 | dpkg | #327145:I[gnome-desktop-environment] gnome-desktop-environment: unsatisfiable dependencies; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:03:05 UTC |
| 05:42.56 | DanC | well, I appreciate your help, mwilson |
| 05:42.58 | dondelelcaro | !tell varsendagger -about ask |
| 05:43.09 | Seb | varsendagger: how about #perl then maybe ? |
| 05:43.09 | deadcat | how do i config printers in cupsys without swat? |
| 05:43.19 | Seb | varsendagger: unless it really has to do with Debian :> |
| 05:43.20 | jm_ | deadcat: by read /usr/share/doc/cupsys |
| 05:43.28 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: localhost:731? |
| 05:43.29 | Seb | deadcat: localhost:http://631 |
| 05:43.33 | Seb | dondelelcaro: almost ;) |
| 05:43.34 | varsendagger | gottcha |
| 05:43.40 | dondelelcaro | or 631 or whatever the hell it is |
| 05:43.49 | deadcat | oh.. without swat right? |
| 05:43.51 | Seb | wow that came out really wrong |
| 05:43.55 | Seb | http://localhost:631 |
| 05:44.02 | mwilson | Hell is right, when you're talking about CUPS. |
| 05:44.17 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: what you use? |
| 05:44.18 | dondelelcaro | I prefer glasses and mugs |
| 05:44.27 | Horde | pacman: the box i am installing on is not connected to the internet, and i guess that is true... i might search a little harder.. |
| 05:44.29 | Seb | deadcat: cups is fine :> |
| 05:44.51 | EdLin | deadcat: I use lpr + apsfilter, though I've used CUPS before too. |
| 05:44.57 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: lprng actually... but then again, I don't use non-ps printer. |
| 05:45.00 | DanC | how long do bugs usually last in debian? I've seen lots of stats on bugs, but I'm not sure I've seen an age histogram. Anybody know where one is to be found? |
| 05:45.02 | jm_ | ahh seeing who the maintainer is explains CUPS posts on p.d.n now and then |
| 05:45.04 | deadcat | EdLin: cant get taht to print from xpdf and firefox |
| 05:45.09 | dondelelcaro | DanC: depends on the bug |
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| 05:45.19 | mwilson | They last until they're closed. |
| 05:45.24 | pacman | a bug age histogram sounds like a fun idea |
| 05:45.26 | EdLin | deadcat: yes, you'll need something like apsfilter plus a printer driver. |
| 05:45.26 | DanC | dondelelcaro, obvious. I'm interested in aggregate stats. |
| 05:45.35 | dondelelcaro | DanC: there are bugs that have been open for 10 years, and there are bugs that have been opened for only a few debbugs cycles. |
| 05:45.44 | deadcat | EdLin: ah. i installed magicfilters |
| 05:45.55 | DanC | yes, but what about mean, standard deviation, etc. |
| 05:46.01 | dondelelcaro | DanC: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 05:46.05 | EdLin | deadcat: yeah, there's something called magicblah that does the same thing as apsfilter. |
| 05:46.19 | dondelelcaro | DanC: no one has really bothered to compile that information, because it's pretty much useless. |
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| 05:46.48 | pro | hey guys, i have a server (192.168.0.254) and its connected to internet via adsl, and also via a router on a leased line (196.45.32.201), and have a route that anything going to mail.connectit.co.za should go out via the 196.45.32.201 |
| 05:46.48 | deadcat | EdLin: i guess i just needed the printer driver then. i was able to lp /etc/printcap, but cant print with xpdf |
| 05:46.54 | dpower | seb: are you still there? was wondering does screen keep the process running after i close the ssh session? |
| 05:47.02 | pro | but, now i have added another range, 192.168.20.0/24 and any connection coming from that range going to the mail.connectit.co.za must go out the adsl, and not the cisco router... how can i do that? |
| 05:47.08 | Seb | dpower: yes :) |
| 05:47.13 | dpower | wow |
| 05:47.20 | dpower | that is nice |
| 05:47.22 | mwilson | Yes, xpdf outputs postscript. |
| 05:47.28 | Seb | dpower: it keeps everything. That's the beauty of it. You reattach to an existing session with somehting like screen -R -D |
| 05:47.33 | mwilson | "lp /etc/printcap" outputs ASCII. |
| 05:47.36 | EdLin | deadcat: if you're running an HP inkjet printer you probably should install hpijs. |
| 05:47.46 | DanC | it's useful to me. do you know if I can do the equivalent of "SELECT bugnum, age from bugs" somehow? |
| 05:47.50 | deadcat | EdLin: it was a hp laser printer. |
| 05:47.59 | EdLin | deadcat: then that's something different |
| 05:48.07 | jm_ | deadcat: in that case use either postscript or PCL driver |
| 05:48.22 | jm_ | whichever the printer supports |
| 05:48.28 | mwilson | EdLin: Oh, no, hpijs is multi-faceted these days. |
| 05:48.32 | deadcat | jm_: i see. |
| 05:48.41 | mwilson | EdLin: Supports everything HP. |
| 05:48.52 | EdLin | deadcat: check out linuxprinting.org |
| 05:48.57 | jm_ | all our HP-s are PS printers, I never used PCL |
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| 05:49.05 | EdLin | mwilson: interesting |
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| 05:49.13 | deadcat | EdLin: ok |
| 05:49.31 | Seb | 'night yall |
| 05:49.48 | pacman | xpdf may not be the best test case, why not "lpr foo.ps"? and read the /var/log/lp* |
| 05:49.52 | deadcat | EdLin: unfortunately i can only use that printer on wed evening. since my class is only once a week. |
| 05:50.02 | jm_ | hehe |
| 05:50.07 | dpower | night Seb |
| 05:50.12 | Seb | keikoz: mauvais chan :> |
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| 05:50.31 | EdLin | deadcat: linuxprinting.org has all the information you need |
| 05:50.37 | encompass | good morning everyone |
| 05:50.39 | keikoz | grmph |
| 05:50.42 | sep | morning |
| 05:51.04 | encompass | I am curious where everyone is from here |
| 05:51.19 | deadcat | encompass: detroit |
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| 05:51.27 | encompass | I am from Hyvinkaa Finland |
| 05:51.29 | deadcat | oh wait.. DC |
| 05:51.34 | KillBot | peth Australia |
| 05:51.34 | encompass | haha |
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| 05:51.42 | encompass | coo cool |
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| 05:52.12 | sep | encompass, there are 730 in here i think we have people in all timezones :) |
| 05:52.24 | encompass | do anyone of you know how to set up a samba share that runs like a windows share with no authentication? |
| 05:52.29 | sep | <- norway, your neihbour |
| 05:52.30 | encompass | neatoo |
| 05:52.36 | encompass | haha |
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| 05:53.00 | jm_ | read samba docs, allow "guest" users |
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| 05:53.02 | EdLin | encompass: so, what's your Debian GNU/Linux question? |
| 05:53.16 | deadcat | sep: shit thats nothing. i live across the street from jm_ (= |
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| 05:53.27 | encompass | ha |
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| 05:53.38 | jm_ | heh I've only seen one or two people from the same country here |
| 05:53.55 | encompass | I use debian, so I figure I should ask here, you would know the best. |
| 05:54.02 | EdLin | I'm in the US, there's plenty of us US idiots here. |
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| 05:54.23 | sep | encompass, i set something like public=yes,writeable=yes, browseable=yes, guest=yes |
| 05:54.37 | encompass | ok let me look at the conf |
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| 05:54.52 | sep | deadcat, where i live we only have 1 street, and nobody but squirrels live on the oter side of it.. |
| 05:55.04 | mwilson | encompass: The Samba documentation is full of examples. |
| 05:55.12 | sep | perhaps an elk or deer tho but.. you get the idea |
| 05:55.24 | encompass | second question, I am using ssh do I have to make a new login everytime I want to do another thing or is there some way to run more than one program on one ssh login |
| 05:55.32 | dondelelcaro | encompass: screen |
| 05:55.40 | deadcat | sep: damn.. |
| 05:56.01 | deadcat | sep: give the squirrels crack (= |
| 05:56.06 | sep | deadcat, and i have fiber to the home and 5mbit for free in that forest |
| 05:56.09 | pacman | screen really _is_ a floor wax and a dessert topping. |
| 05:56.11 | encompass | 'screen? like a command? Sorry very new to this remote admin stuff |
| 05:56.21 | dondelelcaro | !screen |
| 05:56.22 | dpkg | from memory, screen is like, allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and let's you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 05:56.34 | sep | encompass, you usualy have to install it with $your_fav_apt_command first |
| 05:57.13 | xfoxx | !dpkg confuse xfox |
| 05:57.14 | encompass | ok kewl |
| 05:57.14 | dpkg | No, where is your mushroom yesterday, xfox? trousers of the republic of belarus with extra ham |
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| 05:57.34 | Quinn_Storm | xfoxx: you just made dpkg sound like amaroK |
| 05:57.48 | xfoxx | lol |
| 05:57.53 | shay | sep, :( Guybrush was already registered :( |
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| 05:58.17 | sep | shay, haha |
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| 05:59.17 | xfoxx | !dpkg confuse xfoox |
| 05:59.18 | dpkg | No, where was their gouda today, xfoox? pants of the people's republic of tahiti with extra herring |
| 05:59.33 | jm_ | xfoxx: please use /msg to toy with bots |
| 05:59.42 | xfoxx | oh sorry |
| 05:59.46 | sep | i guess someone should add grub to the beer factoid for shay's preference :P |
| 05:59.48 | usn_work | good morning |
| 06:00.00 | Quinn_Storm | what a bizarre show |
| 06:00.32 | ke6isf | Quinn_Storm: ...lemme guess, audition for a family oriented sitcom? =O.o= |
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| 06:02.40 | Quinn_Storm | ke6isf: no its the next thing to comee from the creators of family guy |
| 06:02.49 | encompass | no, it is a break off of family guy |
| 06:02.55 | encompass | yeah that |
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| 06:03.25 | encompass | ke6isf your talking about that corny show that was on discovery |
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| 06:05.25 | ke6isf | Ah, OK. I don't watch TV, see. |
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| 06:06.02 | Quinn_Storm | I like shows that lampoon the idiotic right |
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| 06:08.23 | encompass | I don't like famly guy either |
| 06:08.52 | encompass | I am more , if I am gonna whatch it is gonna be discovery or something educational |
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| 06:17.10 | frederic | lo, how recognize eth1 ? the second card i set is recognize by lspci and lsmod.. but not present as ethN .. /: |
| 06:17.52 | sep | frederic, ifconfig -a |
| 06:18.00 | sep | frederic, it's perhaps just not configured yet |
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| 06:18.26 | Coke | frederic: it neesd to have an entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:18.46 | sep | frederic, edit /etc/network/interfaces to configure the card, then ifup eth1 |
| 06:19.14 | sep | frederic, before you ask it's man interfaces :) |
| 06:19.24 | frederic | i'll test thx : |
| 06:19.28 | sep | !thx |
| 06:19.28 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 06:19.38 | frederic | thank you mate :) |
| 06:20.10 | sep | i have allways found that THX1138 is bad for my head.. |
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| 06:24.12 | frederic | is 172.13.37.xxx is a private class ip ? |
| 06:24.34 | frederic | i need a brain this morning ermm :/ |
| 06:24.36 | beleys | je re (++) |
| 06:24.38 | caphuso | frederic: no |
| 06:24.49 | encompass | see ya guys |
| 06:25.03 | frederic | it s a C class isnt it ? |
| 06:25.18 | caphuso | a what? |
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| 06:25.28 | frederic | 172.13.37.xxx |
| 06:25.34 | frederic | c class |
| 06:25.36 | sep | frederic, without the netmask or masklen it's impossible to tell, and also everyone uses CIDR now |
| 06:25.46 | caphuso | frederic: which millenium are you living in? :) |
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| 06:26.01 | frederic | ha... just wake up .. thats the reason |
| 06:26.04 | seb- | where download minimal UNSTABLE iso? |
| 06:26.17 | dondelelcaro | seb-: don't bother. Use the sarge installer and upgrade. |
| 06:26.18 | frederic | the third caphuso ? :p |
| 06:26.23 | cheal | !tell seb- about iyhtays |
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| 06:26.52 | seb- | dondel: i can upgrade to unstable from stable? |
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| 06:27.10 | sep | frederic, if it's a /24 (255.255.255.0) then it's what they used to call a C class when i was a brat |
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| 06:27.28 | dondelelcaro | seb-: yes, but if you're asking that question, you're not ready to use unstable. Use sarge or testing instead. |
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| 06:27.49 | frederic | well |
| 06:27.57 | frederic | thanks i need cofee |
| 06:28.02 | justnulli | when is mod-perl2 coming out for sarge? |
| 06:28.05 | frederic | brb |
| 06:28.22 | mwilson | justnulli: Never, if it's not already there. |
| 06:28.27 | dondelelcaro | !+info libapache2-mod-perl2 sarge |
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| 06:28.31 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-perl2: (Integration of perl with the Apache2 web server), section perl, is optional. Version: 1.999.21-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 627 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
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| 06:28.40 | mwilson | Ah, but it IS there. |
| 06:28.41 | KillBot | cheal:the forum is done do u want to be a moderator |
| 06:28.42 | sep | quits irc to go fetch cofee ?!? oddball behavior :) |
| 06:28.50 | seb- | dondel: i need firefox security backport patch...i thought i'd get secure patches faster with unstable |
| 06:29.00 | dondelelcaro | seb-: it's already been backported. |
| 06:29.12 | cheal | KillBot: haha, no, I have no reason to be |
| 06:29.13 | seb- | dondel: can you just apt-get a backported *patch*? |
| 06:29.15 | pacman | the size of a class C was indeed /24, but C class addresses started with 110, meaning they range from 192.* through 223.* |
| 06:29.21 | KillBot | kk |
| 06:29.25 | justnulli | mwilson 1.999.21-1 < 2 in my math |
| 06:29.28 | dondelelcaro | seb-: see Debian Security Advisory DSA 838-1 |
| 06:29.30 | mwilson | seb-: Unstable doesn't have security updates. |
| 06:29.36 | dondelelcaro | justnulli: that's mod_perl 2. |
| 06:29.43 | cheal | KillBot: which engine did you choose? |
| 06:30.00 | KillBot | Run board |
| 06:30.09 | dondelelcaro | justnulli: the version number is for tracking purposes; the actual branch of mod_perl is what the 2 is all about. |
| 06:30.11 | seb- | dondel: apt-get upgrade firefox-security-patch? :) |
| 06:30.12 | justnulli | dondelelcaro no this is mod_perl 1.999 i need 2.0 |
| 06:30.24 | dondelelcaro | justnulli: again, it's mod_perl 2. |
| 06:30.39 | justnulli | 1.99 is beta release and there were major changes in finles 2.0 version |
| 06:30.45 | dondelelcaro | justnulli: very little has changed between 1.999 and 2.0.1 |
| 06:30.49 | cheal | KillBot: ah, I don't know that one |
| 06:30.53 | KillBot | cheal: http://com2.runboard.com/bthefunhouse2 |
| 06:31.09 | dondelelcaro | justnulli: the only changes were to the include files; unless your mod_perl app is written by an idiot, they're easy to code around. |
| 06:31.32 | dondelelcaro | justnulli: if you absolutely must have 2.0.1, get a backport of it, or pay someone to backport it. |
| 06:31.52 | justnulli | well be as it way those idiots don't wnat to recode it |
| 06:31.56 | dondelelcaro | seb-: no, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; |
| 06:32.00 | cheal | KillBot: did you install that engine from a debian package? |
| 06:32.08 | jair | what is this configuration about? http://pastebin.com/393196 I am following this tutorial: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge_p3 |
| 06:32.13 | sep | justnulli, and also handle the security issues for the package youself... personaly i stick with official debian |
| 06:32.22 | KillBot | No friend |
| 06:32.27 | KillBot | told me |
| 06:32.38 | jair | I did the command and I get this message: quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile //quota.user was probably truncated. Can't save quota settings... |
| 06:32.38 | jair | quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile //quota.group was probably truncated. Can't save quota settings... |
| 06:32.42 | cheal | KillBot: ah |
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| 06:32.45 | justnulli | where can i find a list of backports for sarge? |
| 06:32.53 | dondelelcaro | !backports |
| 06:32.53 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 06:33.48 | jair | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/393196 I am following this tutorial: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge_p3 |
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| 06:33.59 | dondelelcaro | jair: yes, I saw it the first time. |
| 06:34.10 | poppor | is there a "rescue cd" for debian ? how to I fix my box when suddenly the kernel panics ? |
| 06:34.17 | sep | jair, that's normal when you create it the first time, aslong as quotaon works your ok |
| 06:34.22 | jair | dondelelcaro, do you think that the result I got is good or normal? |
| 06:34.48 | sep | jair, it just means the file is emty, and it is you just created it. |
| 06:35.00 | dondelelcaro | jair: just ignore it; there's no point to running quotacheck until you've turned on quotas. |
| 06:35.20 | jair | sep, then when I run the second command: quotaon -avug i got this result ->/dev/hda1 [/]: group quotas turned on |
| 06:35.20 | jair | /dev/hda1 [/]: user quotas turned on |
| 06:35.36 | jair | dondelelcaro, nice |
| 06:35.42 | jair | I understand now |
| 06:35.44 | dondelelcaro | jair: why exactly are you bothering with quotas? |
| 06:35.44 | pacman | that doesn't make sense... you can't run quotacheck while quotas are active, that's like fsck'ing a live filesystem. the kernel will be modifying the quota file at the same time you're rebuilding it. |
| 06:35.45 | sep | jair, that means success |
| 06:35.53 | jair | hahaha |
| 06:36.03 | poppor | can someone help please..? |
| 06:36.09 | jair | dondelelcaro, I am following a debian server installation tutorial |
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| 06:36.29 | dondelelcaro | pacman: yeah, you're right... been too long since I've played with quotas. |
| 06:36.37 | jair | sep, what exacly doeas quotas on my server? limit the amout of data users can use? |
| 06:36.45 | sep | jair, exactly |
| 06:36.56 | sep | or hopw much they can store on a fs actualy |
| 06:37.04 | jair | don_inlab, it is ok though thank you |
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| 06:37.22 | sep | jair, to avoid a sigle user filling your / with porn i guess |
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| 06:37.30 | jair | sep, and I can limit or control all that file systesm where they store etc. |
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| 06:37.40 | jair | hahaha cool |
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| 06:37.43 | pacman | if you want to know whether quota worked, you can see if repquota results agree with reality |
| 06:37.44 | jair | sep, got it |
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| 06:38.17 | sep | jair, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Quota.html explains it 100 times better then i'll ever can |
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| 06:38.48 | jair | sep, nice my friend thank you |
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| 06:39.08 | jair | sep, what will be a good reason to use bind9 in a server debian? |
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| 06:39.28 | jair | sep, will be to translate windows and linux addresses? |
| 06:40.01 | caphuso | that "perfect setup" tutorial is weird |
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| 06:40.27 | caphuso | direct editing of /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root, followed by restarting cron |
| 06:40.43 | jm_ | class |
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| 06:40.45 | jair | sep, ? |
| 06:40.48 | mike_ | which would you guys perfer - a dual-core intel 830D processor, or a single core opteron, with same RAM, same HD, etc. for running debian-amd64? |
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| 06:41.00 | pacman | ha! |
| 06:41.06 | jair | dondelelcaro, what will be a good reason to use dns, on a linux server? |
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| 06:41.09 | sep | jair, only worth it, if you need a public nameserver. nscd would be good enough if all you need is caching |
| 06:41.20 | mike_ | right now i've got opterons and i love them.. but i can go a lot cheaper with intel right now and it'd be dual core and em64t |
| 06:41.22 | jm_ | or dnsmasq |
| 06:41.35 | jm_ | Mike_L: why not dual core Athlon64 then? |
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| 06:41.40 | jm_ | mike_ ^^^^ |
| 06:41.50 | jair | sep, caching the web pages visited? |
| 06:42.02 | mike_ | they're not being offered in the rackmount fashions im looking at |
| 06:42.03 | sep | jair, the names to ip ookup |
| 06:42.11 | mike_ | i can get single core opteron or dual core intel in a half-depth 1u |
| 06:42.13 | jair | sep, ohh ok |
| 06:42.17 | caphuso | # update time with ntp server |
| 06:42.18 | caphuso | 0 3,9,15,21 * * * /usr/sbin/rdate 128.2.136.71 | logger -t NTP |
| 06:42.22 | caphuso | uhm... |
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| 06:43.43 | pacman | heh... I might go for that, what with all the bad luck I've been having with actual NTP. |
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| 06:44.50 | mike_ | i use ntpdate still |
| 06:44.56 | mike_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.59 | mike_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.02 | mike_ | i have that run hourly |
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| 06:45.10 | mike_ | zero problems |
| 06:45.25 | mike_ | (by putting the script in /etc/cron.hourly) |
| 06:45.40 | jair | sep, so if I have that i will be able of hose ip addresses and use the dns server ips to people access an specific domain. (i.e.ns3.zoneedit.com 206.55.124.4 |
| 06:45.40 | jair | ns1.zoneedit.com 209.126.159.118 |
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| 06:45.59 | sep | have _what_ ? |
| 06:46.23 | jair | sep, I mean i will have a dns server running on my server then |
| 06:46.30 | jair | a address resolver. |
| 06:47.39 | mike_ | i have a local resolver |
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| 06:47.42 | mike_ | on all my boxes - i use |
| 06:47.48 | mike_ | dnsmasq |
| 06:47.56 | mike_ | like jm_ said. |
| 06:48.13 | sep | jair, you allways have that. you only need bind if you need to have a nameserver for other clients or for public domains. |
| 06:48.16 | mike_ | piece of cake to install. i used to use dnscache from djb, but it's inittab stuff would go crazy |
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| 06:48.43 | jair | sep, nice |
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| 06:49.17 | jair | sep, I think because i will be providing some hosting on this server for more than one web site, public site, and also an email server postfix. |
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| 06:51.15 | sep | jair, that's not related to nameresolution. |
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| 06:52.12 | pacman | sounds ambitious for someone who apparently doesn't know what DNS is. |
| 06:52.44 | sep | jair, baisicaly if someone on the net types www.site.tld in a browser the nameservers are responsible for providing the ip address of the server. the question is do you want to run this nameserver yourself, or do your buy the service alongside your domain registation service |
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| 06:53.10 | sep | jair, and usualy you want your nameservers to be dedicated and redundant |
| 06:53.10 | xixor | !firegl |
| 06:53.10 | dpkg | firegl is, like, if firegl doesn't compile, fix the _KE_ERROR and _KE_DEBUG #defines in /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/firegl_public.h. it's a gcc v2.95 thing. |
| 06:53.19 | sep | 2 nameservers on separate subnets are adviceable |
| 06:53.27 | xixor | !fglrx |
| 06:53.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
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| 06:53.33 | xixor | !ati drivers |
| 06:53.33 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
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| 06:54.38 | xelam | sigh |
| 06:54.46 | xelam | what is it with these retards |
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| 06:57.11 | pacman | you'll have to be more specific. too many retards |
| 06:57.24 | xelam | ah, well 83.103.135.42 this time :\ |
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| 06:58.02 | bucky | you are moron number one dpkg |
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| 06:58.19 | jair | sep, but what about the free ones like zoneedit? or no-ip.com |
| 06:58.29 | jair | sep, but also i would like to have my own |
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| 06:59.02 | sengir37 | bucky: Well done. You tell him. |
| 06:59.26 | bucky | just returning the favor |
| 06:59.32 | w3rdn4 | cd1.11 |
| 06:59.37 | sengir37 | bucky: dpkg is a bot. |
| 06:59.39 | fireba11 | got my own nameservers *pets* |
| 07:00.01 | jair | fireba11, it is that bad? |
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| 07:00.09 | bucky | dpkg are you a bot ? |
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| 07:00.20 | dpower | haha |
| 07:00.21 | punkass | have postfix running on a debian box, i can send mail, i can recieve mail locally, i can telnet into port 25 and sent mail, but when I send mail from anywhere else it never gets delieverd. |
| 07:00.24 | punkass | any thoughts? |
| 07:00.28 | fireba11 | jair: nah .. pretty usefull :-) got my own dyndns-script running there too :-) |
| 07:00.33 | jair | fireba11, I mean get the name servers in your own server ? |
| 07:00.37 | KillBot | meh |
| 07:00.55 | jair | fireba11, ohh because I am installing and configuring bind9 |
| 07:01.06 | fireba11 | jair: not really .. though the place where i get domains provides secondary nameservers for free |
| 07:01.10 | sengir37 | !tell bucky about moo |
| 07:01.14 | bucky | punkass, does your isp block mail? |
| 07:01.24 | bucky | and port 25 |
| 07:01.31 | bucky | mine does |
| 07:01.37 | bucky | !moo |
| 07:01.37 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 07:01.37 | dpower | !beer bucky |
| 07:01.42 | fireba11 | bucky: no ISP then .. just crap :-) |
| 07:01.53 | xelam | is it listening on eth0 or whatever rather than just localhost |
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| 07:02.40 | bucky | fireba11, i could spend the $100/mo for the business class.. but why should I |
| 07:03.11 | drac | Cause you have enough money? |
| 07:03.18 | jair | fireba11, so you have your dns servers from dyndns. |
| 07:03.24 | fireba11 | bucky: blocking port 25 is jsut plain stupid .. that's no internet you got, thats web access ^^ |
| 07:03.51 | KillBot | im getting bored i'm gonna go check stuff out might be bak soon or later cya guys |
| 07:03.52 | fireba11 | jair: no, no ... i got my own DNS server running, and did set up a script on it so i can use it for dyndns if i need one :-) |
| 07:04.13 | bucky | i think it's a good idea.. keeps the novices and script kiddies from screwing with thing |
| 07:04.20 | jair | fireba11, ohh as a dnsserver optional or secundary nice |
| 07:04.23 | jair | :) |
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| 07:04.34 | nerdy2 | you do realize that some isp's block port 25 but allow you to unblock it [sbc dsl for example] |
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| 07:04.52 | ecliptik | I have a 50gb text file, is there an easy way to append 2 lines to the beginning and end of it without using an editor? |
| 07:05.29 | jm_ | of course there's an easy way |
| 07:05.54 | ecliptik | care to share? |
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| 07:06.09 | pacman | 1. "append to the beginning" does not make sense. The word is prepend! It's a perfectly cromulent word; start using it. 2. No, there is no efficient method to prepend to a file. whatever you do will involve rewriting the whole thing. |
| 07:06.33 | sengir37 | easy != efficient |
| 07:06.39 | jm_ | (echo line1; echo line2; cat 50Gfile; echo line3; echo line4) > newfile |
| 07:06.51 | dondelelcaro | gag |
| 07:06.55 | sengir37 | lol |
| 07:07.02 | pacman | they're related though, if your huge file is bigger than your currently free disk space |
| 07:07.04 | jm_ | can't be easier than that |
| 07:07.31 | ecliptik | ummmm |
| 07:07.34 | pacman | if you need to do the prepending _in-place_ because you don't have room for a temporary copy of the huge file, then it ain't so easy. |
| 07:07.37 | sengir37 | pacman: Buying extra disks is easy. Just expensive. |
| 07:07.46 | pacman | heh |
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| 07:09.21 | poppor | what can cause kernel not to find /sbin/init ? when I boot with cd and mount the drive I can find /sbin/init .. ? |
| 07:09.45 | ecliptik | it's a 300gb raid so I think I'm good |
| 07:09.47 | caphuso | poppor: misconfiguration in the "make fooconfig" step |
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| 07:09.53 | ecliptik | just going to take a while |
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| 07:10.06 | pacman | poppor, usually that comes from a failure to mount the root filesystem. Which comes from a missing config item in your kernel related to either the filesystem type or the device it's contained on. |
| 07:10.59 | mike_ | does anyone here use debian-amd64 on an EM64T machine? |
| 07:11.17 | poppor | pacman: but I havn't done any changes.. I was switching consoles with alt-2 then the linux box halted.. when I restarted I get kernel panic about /sbin/init |
| 07:11.21 | sengir37 | !tell mike_ about ask |
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| 07:12.01 | pacman | poppor then it might have been that your root filesystem actually got damaged in the crash. |
| 07:12.06 | mike_ | um, i guess my question would be have they had positive experiences with em64t? i'm not sure if it's transparent when installing debian-amd64, as installing it on an opteron |
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| 07:12.42 | poppor | pacman: can it be damaged even though I can mount it from boot-cd and access all files ? |
| 07:12.43 | Alver | I noticed that the last sid Xorg build seems to eat a lot of ram (256+ MB at the moment, with only xchat open). Is this normal, or can this memory be freed in some way? |
| 07:13.09 | pacman | probably not, that brings you back to kernel config error |
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| 07:13.30 | poppor | pacman: which config is it you mean ..the lilo.conf ? |
| 07:13.40 | pacman | Alver, most of the memory usage of an X server is not your main RAM but your video RAM. |
| 07:13.53 | pacman | you have about 256M video memory? |
| 07:14.01 | ecliptik | cat head middle end > gluedfile |
| 07:14.04 | ecliptik | that works |
| 07:14.04 | sengir37 | poppor: Maybe you ran lilo at some point, and didn't reboot. Then when the crash happened you *found out* that the machine had an unbootable kernel. |
| 07:14.04 | jm_ | mike_: tried asking in #debian-amd64? |
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| 07:14.25 | Alver | pacmac: if I do "top" and Xorg is reported as to use 34% of my memory, which is 786MB, this is not about video mem, is it? |
| 07:14.36 | mike_ | jm: actually just joined the channel right now. forgot this was a general debian channel. |
| 07:14.41 | pacman | good question... I dunno. |
| 07:14.44 | sengir37 | poppor: The config that was referred to is the kernel config, not the LILO config |
| 07:15.10 | pacman | poppor, you could try init=/bin/sh just to see if it's actually /sbin/init that is the problem. |
| 07:15.17 | poppor | sengir37: I don't understand I havn't replaced my kernel and did not run lilo.. |
| 07:15.26 | sengir37 | poppor: Ok, just checking |
| 07:16.18 | poppor | pacman: how can I insert that parameter if the kernel just starts booting.. I don't get any boot prompt to be able to pass parameters .. ? |
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| 07:17.04 | pacman | poppor, if you use LILO then you can get a boot prompt. Hold down the left shift key during boot, it'll prompt you. |
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| 07:17.26 | poppor | pacman: aha.. I'll try that now |
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| 07:18.38 | poppor | pacman: ok.. with the init parameter I got into the shell |
| 07:18.56 | pacman | what are the odds of that? you get filesystem corruption and it's /sbin/init that gets hit. |
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| 07:19.28 | poppor | pacman: so you mean the init file is corrupt ? |
| 07:19.49 | pacman | init=/bin/sh is a very difficult system to do any work from if you're not experienced in disaster recovery... but maybe you can manage to reinstall sysvinit and see if that helps |
| 07:20.00 | pacman | better you should do it from the rescue CD though |
| 07:20.18 | poppor | pacman: what rescue cd ? |
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| 07:21.03 | pacman | didn't you say you had a rescue CD? |
| 07:21.18 | pacman | <poppor> pacman: can it be damaged even though I can mount it from boot-cd and+access all files ? |
| 07:21.43 | poppor | pacman: that is the installation cd I used to install sarge |
| 07:22.06 | pacman | I think you've been prodded enough; maybe you can try to do a little bit on your own now? hand-holding you has become difficult. |
| 07:22.46 | SimonRaven | uh, if it's a r/o filesystem HTF do you damage it by mounting and accessing the files, exactly? |
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| 07:23.17 | SimonRaven | oh, never mind. was lacking context |
| 07:23.23 | pacman | he had a crash earlier and hasn't been able to boot from hard drive since then. it's improbable, but possible, that init actually got corrupted by the system crash. If so it'll have to be reinstalled |
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| 07:24.01 | poppor | pacman: is there a way to reinstall the init from the installation cd ? |
| 07:24.03 | SimonRaven | oh, yeh. had something similar happen once. no biggie. exactly, just reinstall sysvinit |
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| 07:24.14 | tuxbeginner | morning |
| 07:24.22 | SimonRaven | hi |
| 07:24.41 | Rawplayer | anyone in here got a intel stl2 serverboard (its for dual PIII) |
| 07:24.54 | tuxbeginner | I need some help. I can not get my wlan stick running |
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| 07:25.41 | tuxbeginner | When I try to set the essid I get an error possibly due to an "!" inside the name |
| 07:25.46 | pacman | poppor, it'll be a challenge but you should be able to mount the hard drive, chroot to it, and run apt-get install --reinstall sysvinit from there. That's my guess... and I'm still not fully convinced you didn't screw up the kernel while sleepwalking :) |
| 07:26.22 | tuxbeginner | Is there a way to tell deb to take "!" as a regular part of a name? |
| 07:26.36 | SimonRaven | tuxbeginner: either escape it (stick a \ in front of the !) or quote it ('' or "") |
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| 07:27.06 | tuxbeginner | OK, I'll give it a try |
| 07:27.06 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to load playlist in totem-xine> |
| 07:27.09 | SerajewelKS | s/>/?/ |
| 07:27.11 | pacman | this is a good rule for a beginner to know: when a punctuation character is doing something weird that you don't like, put a backslash in front of it! applies in lots of situations. |
| 07:27.27 | poppor | pacman: well then.. I got work to do :) thanks for all the help ! |
| 07:27.47 | caphuso | SimonRaven: "" doesn't quote ! |
| 07:28.04 | pacman | poppor it might be easier to find the sysvinit*.deb on the CD and dpkg -i it instead of trying to apt-get over network that may not be up... |
| 07:28.38 | SimonRaven | caphuso: i call them quotes because they're called double quotes. i wasn't speaking technically |
| 07:29.01 | poppor | pacman: I was thinking of that actually...it's hard to almost know how the system works but really not knowing anything hehe |
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| 07:29.17 | pacman | SimonRaven, try reading caphuso's '!' as a noun. |
| 07:29.29 | tuxbeginner | SimonRaven: ANother Issue: How do I get rid of multiple "gre0: unknown hardware address type 778" lines? (sit0,gre0,teql0...) |
| 07:29.51 | tuxbeginner | while bringing up network |
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| 07:30.05 | SimonRaven | pacman, caphuso: sorry, misparsed |
| 07:30.11 | SerajewelKS | i can't believe that totem wouldn't be capable of loading its own playlists... |
| 07:30.33 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 07:30.56 | SerajewelKS | did they forget to add a "load" button or am i blind? |
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| 07:31.53 | pacman | amazing how fast Stroker and Hoop turned into Stroker and Some Other Loser Who Isn't As Funny As Hoop, and also Hoop if there's any time Left Over. |
| 07:33.07 | SerajewelKS | totem's OSD doesn't ever disappear in fullscreen... argh.. why is the original xine ui no longer in debian? |
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| 07:33.57 | pacman | xine-ui was removed |
| 07:33.58 | pacman | ? |
| 07:34.09 | SerajewelKS | !info xine-ui etch |
| 07:34.13 | pacman | hmm... it's just missing from testing. |
| 07:34.20 | SerajewelKS | yeah no crap |
| 07:34.35 | SerajewelKS | no explanation. just gone. |
| 07:35.08 | caphuso | because it's horribly broken |
| 07:35.12 | caphuso | that's why |
| 07:35.23 | SerajewelKS | did it get broken recently? |
| 07:35.28 | streuner | just use something different |
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| 07:35.37 | caphuso | so you need to wait for a fixed package to enter unstable and propagate down to testing |
| 07:35.38 | streuner | vlc, mplayer |
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| 07:35.48 | streuner | unstable version is broken too |
| 07:36.03 | caphuso | yeah, but packages don't get so easily removed from unstable |
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| 07:36.10 | SerajewelKS | s'pose i could pull from sarge |
| 07:36.31 | streuner | you could use gxine or another frontend like totem to use xine then |
| 07:36.33 | SerajewelKS | or is that the one that is broken |
| 07:36.46 | pacman | now this is a nice bug title: #328129: xine: The player crash when mouse event occures |
| 07:36.49 | smhar | I am trying to install libqt3-mt but got this error: Package libqt3-mt has no installation candidate |
| 07:36.49 | SerajewelKS | streuner, if the other front-ends are like totem then they're no good |
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| 07:37.17 | streuner | SerajewelKS: take a look at gxine, its pretty useful |
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| 07:37.28 | zap-clone | hello |
| 07:37.34 | sengir37 | streuner: Is the 'g' for gtk or gnome? |
| 07:37.44 | SerajewelKS | sengir37, both? |
| 07:37.45 | streuner | gtk |
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| 07:37.59 | zap-clone | how can I tell apt-get/dpkg to install a specific file of a package in another location? I tried dpkg-divert which didn't work for me |
| 07:37.59 | streuner | !info gxine |
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| 07:38.02 | dpkg | gxine: (the xine video player, GTK+/Gnome user interface), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.4.8-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 250 kB, Installed size: 660 kB |
| 07:38.03 | sengir37 | streuner: Awesome, I'm gonna go check that out. |
| 07:38.19 | zap-clone | I'd like to install awstats.pl in another location than /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 07:38.24 | SerajewelKS | sengir37, then why do you like gtk |
| 07:38.28 | sengir37 | Guh. gtk/gnome. That's lame. |
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| 07:38.38 | sengir37 | SerajewelKS: Cause it has nothing to do with gnome? |
| 07:38.40 | nayyares | is there any software to parse my network gateway IP for SMTP traffice and fetch email id's from that? |
| 07:39.00 | streuner | well, the patch is avaiable for xine, but it didn't get into the debian package yet... |
| 07:39.03 | nayyares | s/traffice/traffic |
| 07:39.30 | SerajewelKS | sengir37, well considering that all gnome apps use gtk (including gnome itself) and most any gtk app was written by a gnome user... |
| 07:39.38 | sengir37 | Ok, apparently Gtk+/Gnome user interface in this case means Gtk+ |
| 07:39.38 | SerajewelKS | they are pretty much one and the same to me |
| 07:39.46 | sengir37 | SerajewelKS: No |
| 07:39.55 | sengir37 | SerajewelKS: Not true at all, and I hate that people assume that. |
| 07:40.03 | SerajewelKS | sengir37, no to what specifically |
| 07:40.18 | sengir37 | SerajewelKS: Gtk is a toolkit. Gnome folks can use it if they want, sure. |
| 07:40.25 | sengir37 | SerajewelKS: But it's a separate entity. |
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| 07:40.43 | sengir37 | SerajewelKS: There exist many many apps that use Gtk and don't rely on gnome in any way |
| 07:40.51 | sengir37 | SerajewelKS: Those would be the apps I use. Heh |
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| 07:41.00 | sengir37 | SerajewelKS: Sorry, I don't mean to sound hostile. |
| 07:41.02 | SerajewelKS | sengir37, i'm not saying they are the same. i'm saying they have become the same in my mind. if you actually read what i said you'd understand that already. |
| 07:41.37 | sengir37 | SerajewelKS: No, I understand what you mean, it's just that a lot of devels screw that up. |
| 07:41.52 | SerajewelKS | then what's "not true" about what i said |
| 07:41.55 | sengir37 | SerajewelKS: I'm used to reading package descriptions and having to guess if something is gtk or gnome. |
| 07:42.17 | pacman | read the Depends: line, makes it pretty obvious |
| 07:42.27 | sengir37 | SerajewelKS: Ok, sorry. It may very well be true that they are one and the same to you. |
| 07:42.30 | bonz | arrgh theres gottuh be a better way then waitring hours for packages too download before I can start installing them one at a time |
| 07:42.50 | sengir37 | SerajewelKS: What I am saying is that the misconception taht they are one and the same in reality is held by many, and annoying to me. |
| 07:43.05 | sengir37 | SerajewelKS: I didn't mean to go off on you, it's just a rant worthy subject with me. |
| 07:43.47 | SerajewelKS | sengir37, i agree with that. i know they are different, but i hate the fact that my desktop looks like a cross between kde and gnome, which is why i put gtk apps in the gnome box. |
| 07:43.47 | sengir37 | SerajewelKS: Many times I have read in a package description that something is a foo client that uses Gtk, tried to install it and had apt ask me if I wanted 8,562 giant bloated gnome libs. Ugh |
| 07:43.51 | EdLin | bonz: hours? What kind of connection do you have? netinst here makes me download 40M or so of packages before I can start apt-get-ing. |
| 07:44.11 | EdLin | bonz: at ~56K that's two hours |
| 07:44.40 | SerajewelKS | EdLin, by and large the assumption is that if you're doing a netinstall, you have a decent connection |
| 07:44.42 | EdLin | bonz: of course, now I have the DVD that comes with "The Debian System" book |
| 07:45.27 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: yep, but downloading a 6-700M ISO is even more of a PITA. |
| 07:45.43 | sengir37 | Now why the hell does gxine need libsmjs1? javascript, wtf? |
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| 07:45.48 | SerajewelKS | EdLin, that's what internet cafes are for ;) |
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| 07:46.09 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: good point |
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| 07:47.49 | SerajewelKS | the hell.. gxine says i don't have Xv because it can't find libX11.so |
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| 07:48.22 | SerajewelKS | oh wow, i don't. now i have to figure out why it's not there. and why anything even works. |
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| 07:49.11 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: don't leave X while you're finding out. ;) |
| 07:49.13 | pacman | *.so is usually in the -dev package, with *.so.[0-9] in the main lib package |
| 07:49.23 | SerajewelKS | EdLin, well i've rebooted several times today, so... |
| 07:49.24 | streuner | !depends gxine |
| 07:49.28 | dpkg | gxine: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.2), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libsmjs1, libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxaw8, libxine1 (>= 1.0.1), libxt6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxtst6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 07:49.49 | SerajewelKS | aha.. i have libX11.so.6 but no link to libX11.so |
| 07:49.54 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: oops, pacman is probably more correct than I. |
| 07:50.30 | pacman | why is it looking for libX11.so anyway? that's odd. Is it trying to dlopen it or something? |
| 07:50.30 | SerajewelKS | pacmac, wow... and the reason for that is? |
| 07:50.41 | SerajewelKS | pacmac, it wants to load it for Xv |
| 07:50.55 | SerajewelKS | it will run without it but says if i want to use Xv then i need it |
| 07:50.59 | streuner | xv isn't in debian... |
| 07:51.02 | pacman | because normally *.so will not be used by anything except the compile-time linker |
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| 07:51.08 | pacman | streuner, Xv != xv |
| 07:51.10 | EdLin | streuner: he means the Xv protocol |
| 07:51.17 | streuner | oh |
| 07:51.51 | EdLin | Xv is a method of making 2D video use less processor time. |
| 07:52.05 | jm_ | it's short for Xvideo ;) |
| 07:52.10 | pacman | that's probably a bug. I can't think of any reason it should be looking for libX11.so specifically, but then I don't really know how Xv works. |
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| 07:52.49 | SerajewelKS | oh the HELL |
| 07:52.55 | SerajewelKS | gxine can't load flatfile playlists? |
| 07:53.56 | streuner | *shrug* use kaffeine or such then |
| 07:54.05 | SerajewelKS | why does it want an xml document. it's a fucking PLAYLIST. are there enough special attributes for a playlist to justify making it an xml document? |
| 07:54.16 | myren | whats the command which shows me system load? |
| 07:54.30 | SerajewelKS | myren, top |
| 07:54.31 | pacman | uptime, xload, top, w, cat /proc/loadavg |
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| 07:55.04 | SerajewelKS | my god this is getting ridiculous |
| 07:55.16 | pacman | maybe you're just picky. |
| 07:55.34 | SerajewelKS | i'm not the one who's requiring XML-only playlists |
| 07:55.46 | EdLin | it's easy to be picky about XML, except when it's really necessary XML sucks. |
| 07:55.48 | SerajewelKS | you can't easily build an XML playlist from the output of find |
| 07:56.22 | karl_ | Can anyone help with this hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda -> HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted It started with 2.6.13 |
| 07:56.25 | pacman | you know what movie player doesn't do sucky things like using XML formats and javascript? mplayer. |
| 07:56.31 | SerajewelKS | okay well, gxine can't read flatfiles, and totem can't read anything. that's 0/2 tonight. |
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| 07:56.51 | sengir37 | karl_: are you root? |
| 07:56.56 | SerajewelKS | karl_, iirc you need to modprobe something.. i forget what |
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| 07:57.12 | saik0 | Why would a samba server let me broswe it when i logon with a given username and not login to the domain with the same one |
| 07:57.16 | karl_ | of course I am root |
| 07:57.27 | karl_ | to modprobe what |
| 07:57.37 | SerajewelKS | karl_, i don't remember exactly |
| 07:57.42 | karl_ | How to find what to modprobe |
| 07:57.45 | pacman | karl_, using hdparm for DMA enabling has been deprecated for like a million years now. |
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| 07:58.15 | pacman | if you have the proper IDE driver in the kernel, it will do that for itself without needing to be poked at |
| 07:58.16 | karl_ | pacman: So how do I do that? |
| 07:58.35 | SerajewelKS | pacmac, yeah but mplayer's interface blows |
| 07:58.49 | pacman | just check /proc/ide/{your-controller-name-here} you'll probably find it's already using the best possible mode for each drive. |
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| 07:59.55 | SerajewelKS | oh wow. kaffeine can't read flatfiles either |
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| 08:00.05 | karl_ | pacman: Thanks - that is a place to start to dig ))) |
| 08:00.06 | SerajewelKS | i'm officially at the "wtf" stage of things |
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| 08:00.29 | pacman | what's a "playlist" anyway? same as "for file in $list;do mplayer $file;done" ? |
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| 08:00.38 | davis | hello, i use a english X11 setup, but I would like to enter special german characters in firefox so I can look up words in a german english online dictionary. |
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| 08:00.41 | davis | how can I enter things like "o" with two dots, umlauts i think they are called? |
| 08:00.48 | SerajewelKS | pacmac, yes. a flat text file. one file/uri per line |
| 08:00.53 | jm_ | davi: you can use xkeysw as a quick hack |
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| 08:01.13 | SerajewelKS | pacmac, i fail to see the justification for an XML playlist, or at least not supporting flat playlists |
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| 08:01.28 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: that's the problem with a lot of software nowadays, it isn't really built according to the Unix philosophy. |
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| 08:01.49 | SerajewelKS | EdLin, you'd expect linux software to at least understand its users |
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| 08:02.03 | pacman | mplayer does other things badly though, such as abusing stdin and stdout so much that it's impossible to reasonably use it in a pipeline |
| 08:02.13 | caphuso | pacman: huh? |
| 08:02.52 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: most of its users don't understand Unix either, they want Linux to be free Windows rather than free Unix. |
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| 08:02.57 | milestone | hi all |
| 08:02.59 | SerajewelKS | okay so i've exhausted the list of xine players in the debian package list |
| 08:03.12 | SerajewelKS | none of them support loading flat playlists |
| 08:03.19 | SerajewelKS | woot, go debian |
| 08:03.32 | milestone | i am trying to find all files that have the suid bit set. I hav tried find . -perm 4000 -print but this does not seem to work |
| 08:03.44 | saik0 | could someone take a look at my smb.conf file and tell me why the comain controller is'nt working? |
| 08:03.49 | pacman | like if you run it from a script with stdin closed, the first thing it opens will become fd 0, and then it thinks that's your tty so it tries to read commands from there. when that's /dev/rtc, hilarity ensues! |
| 08:03.49 | milestone | any hints? |
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| 08:04.05 | caphuso | milestone: +4000 |
| 08:04.10 | pacman | milestone, -perm -4000 |
| 08:04.16 | pacman | +4000? |
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| 08:04.49 | smhar | I am trying to install libqt3-mt but got this error: Package libqt3-mt has no installation candidate, where can I find this file |
| 08:04.55 | SerajewelKS | well screw this. i'm getting xine-ui from sarge. |
| 08:05.06 | caphuso | err, yeah, -4000 |
| 08:05.08 | pacman | ah yes, -4000 is the same as +4000 because there's only 1 bit being tested. |
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| 08:05.33 | caphuso | pacman: but you're right, -4000 is the better solution |
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| 08:06.15 | caphuso | my find knowledge is getting damn rusty :-/ |
| 08:06.26 | milestone | this works thanx |
| 08:06.29 | pacman | (perm&04000)==04000 vs. (perm&04000)!=0 ... they work out the same. |
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| 08:12.50 | Assid | can someone help me with ssh.. i cant understand what its trying to use.. sshd or sshd2 |
| 08:13.16 | pacman | I've never heard of sshd2, does that exist somewhere? |
| 08:13.28 | streuner | he surely mean protocol |
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| 08:14.19 | Assid | i even tried ssh-keygen and it ends up making .ssh2 instead of .ssh .. i even have a /etc/ssh2 directory with some configs |
| 08:14.26 | Assid | and i have /etc/ssh |
| 08:14.33 | Assid | surely something is amiss |
| 08:14.57 | pacman | Assid, do you have the proprietary software from ssh.com installed? |
| 08:15.06 | Assid | not to my knowledge.. no |
| 08:15.14 | pacman | try dpkg -S /etc/ssh2/* to see what turns up |
| 08:15.14 | Assid | most of my stuff is from apt |
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| 08:15.36 | Assid | everything says not found |
| 08:15.46 | pacman | hmm.. |
| 08:16.04 | caphuso | Assid: 'echo | telnet localhost ssh' and look and the banner |
| 08:16.06 | Assid | man sshd2 shows a manual |
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| 08:16.29 | pacman | sadly ssh-keygen doesn't have a --version |
| 08:16.35 | Assid | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 |
| 08:17.00 | pacman | how about "ident /usr/bin/ssh-keygen" |
| 08:17.52 | Assid | dont have a ident |
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| 08:18.10 | pacman | bah, ident should be in an Essential package somewhere... :) |
| 08:18.36 | pacman | well, you have a man page for sshd2? what does it say? |
| 08:19.08 | Assid | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.20 | pacman | anything that might tell you what package version it came from? does it mention "OpenBSD", or "OpenSSH"? does it have a pedigree? |
| 08:19.39 | Assid | okay found something that could be it |
| 08:19.45 | pacman | it sure sounds like you have the non-free ssh2 software, but I haven't seen or heard of it in such a long time my memory may be off. |
| 08:19.47 | liable | this is on a debian system? |
| 08:20.01 | Assid | yeah |
| 08:20.13 | Assid | lsh-client - Secure Shell v2 (SSH2) protocol client |
| 08:20.13 | Assid | lsh-server - Secure Shell v2 (SSH2) protocol server |
| 08:20.22 | Assid | those are the only things that match |
| 08:20.29 | pacman | oh, lsh-server, that would explain the goofiness :) |
| 08:20.51 | Assid | but i cant see it as installed |
| 08:21.19 | pacman | but according to lsh-server's description, the server is called lshd, not sshd2 |
| 08:21.22 | Assid | says its not installed |
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| 08:21.32 | alienbrain | This is a manpage for sshd2 http://www.employees.org/~satch/ssh/faq/manpages/sshd2_man.html and if you scroll down to the bottom, it says AUTHORS: SSH Communications Security Ltd |
| 08:21.57 | Assid | they weirdest part was.. i found sshd2 binary in /usr/local/sbin |
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| 08:22.24 | pacman | Assid, how about this: first, "locate ssh-keygen" to see if you have multiple different versions installed. Then run "strings -8 /usr/bin/ssh-keygen" and look for identifying markings. And if you don't have "strings" I'll just have to weep |
| 08:22.25 | caphuso | then you or some other admin installed it manually |
| 08:22.25 | Assid | and i didnt try to install that |
| 08:22.43 | liable | interesting to is that the debian pckage come with a great warning.. "may be totally insecure" :) |
| 08:23.16 | pacman | Assid, ls -l /usr/local/*/*ssh* and use the timestamps to help you figure out when and how it got there |
| 08:23.46 | Assid | . /usr/bin/ssh-keygen |
| 08:23.46 | Assid | . /usr/local/bin/ssh-keygen |
| 08:23.46 | Assid | . /usr/local/bin/ssh-keygen2 |
| 08:24.17 | pacman | I think I'm lagging behind... by the time you get my suggestion and try it, I've already moved on to the next one |
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| 08:25.25 | pacman | it can be said with near total certainty that anything in /usr/local did not get there via apt. So you'll have to rethink your earlier statement <Assid> most of my stuff is from apt |
| 08:25.48 | Assid | yeah.. thats why i am confused.. coz i didnt install it |
| 08:25.55 | Assid | and no one had access at that time |
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| 08:26.16 | pacman | heh... that's what you think :) maybe it's a backdoored sshd |
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| 08:28.40 | bjron | hey, does anyone know if there's a way to mount an iso image so that the system thinks it's an actual CD rom (I would like to add the image to my sources.list) |
| 08:29.00 | liable | bjron: #ubuntu. |
| 08:29.11 | pacman | you use mount -o loop for mounting, but I don't think apt-cdrom will recognize it that way. |
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| 08:29.13 | Assid | MAYBE |
| 08:29.15 | SerajewelKS | bjron, if you mount it using -o loop then it will be /dev/loop0 or /dev/loop1 etc |
| 08:29.17 | Assid | I need to clear it |
| 08:29.27 | SerajewelKS | liable, wtf does that have to do with ubuntu |
| 08:29.41 | liable | SerajewelKS: the fact that he asked it there 2 minutes ago? |
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| 08:30.11 | SerajewelKS | liable, it's a valid question in any debian-based distro |
| 08:30.16 | bjron | pacmac, yea, it treats it like a partition and not like a CD :( |
| 08:31.17 | pacman | bjron, why do you want it treated like a CD? "treating it like a CD" just means you get prompted to "insert the disk labeled Debian 3.1r0a Binary disk 2"... that's just an annoyance if there isn't any physical disk-switching work to be done |
| 08:31.46 | bjron | pacmac, so is there a way to add it as a repository otherwise? |
| 08:31.52 | bjron | or as a source ratehr |
| 08:31.55 | pacman | also it can't very well eject the CD in the tray :) |
| 08:32.10 | pacman | you should be able to add it as a file:// URL... |
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| 08:32.17 | bjron | ah! |
| 08:32.20 | bjron | thanks |
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| 08:32.31 | Assid | pacmac: can u help me clear this please? |
| 08:32.32 | bjron | I had tried just with the path, but that's not much good |
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| 08:32.45 | bjron | I shall try the file:// way |
| 08:32.47 | bjron | thanks |
| 08:32.59 | micsch_ | what should i do? http://pastebin.com/393240 |
| 08:33.10 | pacman | Assid, help you with a compromised-system cleanup? how thorough do you want to be? the easy answer is reinstall everything. |
| 08:33.25 | Zenox | How do I know/see if I have an Compaq Array Controller (with RAID) in my Compaq Proliant 1600 (a bit OT, but I want to install Debian on it afterwards)? |
| 08:33.45 | pacman | Zenox, lspci should give at least a little hint |
| 08:33.48 | Assid | remote server |
| 08:34.02 | tuxbeginner | I've just read that for wlan (ndiswrapper) ethernet interfaces have to be disabled?? |
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| 08:34.04 | Bongle | i'm having problems with iptable rules, here they are: http://sial.org/pbot/13689 the port 5432 just won't accept, even if i say from anywhere to anywhere if i disable iptables i can connect externally |
| 08:34.10 | hramrach | Hello |
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| 08:34.35 | Zenox | pacman: Ah you're here. Hmm, I dont have Debian on it yet. I wanted to configure the mirror and stuff first. |
| 08:35.06 | pacman | so what's it running now? |
| 08:35.44 | SerajewelKS | Bongle, because port 5432 is defined on the INPUT chain, after the rule sending packets to the WWW-PUBLIC-INPUT chain |
| 08:35.51 | SerajewelKS | Bongle, and that chain ends in a DROP |
| 08:35.59 | SerajewelKS | Bongle, so it will never reach the 5432 rule |
| 08:36.06 | pacman | the BIOS boot sequence should show hardware information... a cpqarray takes a _long_ time to get through its BIOS initialization, you really can't miss it if you're watching the boot :) |
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| 08:36.22 | Zenox | pacman: I dont know, it's connected to an internal scsi connector |
| 08:36.54 | SerajewelKS | Bongle, -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5432 -j ACCEPT |
| 08:36.58 | pacman | Zenox, I meant what OS is it running now... you want to query the hardware but you can't run lspci because you don't have Linux on it (this is how I'm understanding things so far) |
| 08:37.00 | smhar | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main is not working for me.. it says file not available or something with I apt-get update |
| 08:37.00 | Zenox | pacman: Gah, hmm.. There's no cpqarray info at bootup :/ |
| 08:37.12 | SerajewelKS | Bongle, that should be -A WWW-PUBLIC-IP-INPUT or should be above the other INPUT rules |
| 08:37.51 | Bongle | ahh i see |
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| 08:37.59 | SerajewelKS | Bongle, by your description, you want it above the other INPUTs |
| 08:38.08 | pacman | Zenox also if you're at the machine and it doesn't have row upon row of hard drives in the front hotswap bays with blinkenlights, then that's probably not the same kind I'm familiar with :) |
| 08:38.30 | Zenox | pacman: It just boots, I've tried to boot from 2 diskettes with "Compaq Array Configuration Utility", but it says there is no Array Controller to be found. |
| 08:39.14 | pacman | Zenox, how big is this machine? do you _see_ any hotswap drive bays? |
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| 08:39.21 | Zenox | pacman: yea, it has rows of harddrives in the front man :) but i cant seem to get to the array... |
| 08:39.41 | Zenox | pacman: yes, there is a hotswap drive bay.. you put the harddrives in the front |
| 08:40.18 | Zenox | pacman: But, is the compaq array controller card internal or is it a plugin card? |
| 08:40.28 | Bongle | SerajewelKS, ok i added -A WWW-PUBLIC-IP-INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5432 -j ACCEPT |
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| 08:40.56 | Bongle | and restarted, but it's stilll not working :-S |
| 08:41.01 | pacman | hmm... can you open it up and see what those front drive bays are wired to? I haven't spent much time looking at the inside of those things so I don't know exactly what you'd be looking for, but the 4500 cards are big. Full-length PCI card |
| 08:41.25 | SerajewelKS | Bongle, i can connect to the public IP on that port |
| 08:41.40 | hramrach | smhar: for me it works :) |
| 08:41.40 | SerajewelKS | Bongle, adding it to that chain only means that it will only be visible to the public IP, not any private IPs |
| 08:42.00 | Bongle | ahh i'm using the wrong ip i'm not using the public ip to connect to |
| 08:42.10 | Bongle | :-S how stupid of me |
| 08:42.30 | pacman | the cpqarray (4500 if I'm remembering the numbers correctly) is the older generation, the cciss (some number starting with 5...) are newer. In the ones I've seen, at least, the cpqarray is a big PCI card. |
| 08:42.39 | smhar | hramrach, I am getting this: Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main Packages |
| 08:42.49 | Zenox | pacman: Ah then i guess it's removed... There's no pci card in it, it's just connected to some internal scsi port/connector (there's 2 of them) |
| 08:42.55 | smhar | hramrach, Unable to fetch file, server said 'Can't open /debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: No such fileor directory ' |
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| 08:43.44 | kneet | replace unstable with sid |
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| 08:44.22 | pacman | Zenox, maybe there's a version with the RAID controller on the motherboard then. If those front drive bays are plugged into it, they must be doing something there... or maybe that just allows them to be used as regular SCSI drives without hardware raid. |
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| 08:45.18 | jeanmi | when I want to know if something is behind a TCP port I usually telnet <host> <port>. How can I do the same with UDP ? |
| 08:45.42 | jeanmi | just want to know whether something is listening to that port on a remote host |
| 08:45.50 | jm_ | use nc |
| 08:45.52 | pacman | Zenox, I looked some stuff up and the ones I've used were actually "Smart Array 4250ES". There are many other model numbers nearby though, so there's a lot that I don't know |
| 08:45.55 | Zenox | pacman: Yea, thats my worries. Dont know how I can see whether the internal scsi stuff has raid support or not hmm |
| 08:46.41 | Zenox | pacman: Ah okay, hmm.. Gotta continue reading from the HP homepage and hope I'll stumble upon some nice info |
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| 08:47.06 | pacman | Zenox, well, the BIOS should say something about it. I know it doesn't look like a desktop PC's BIOS, but it does tell you about the hardware, if I'm not mistaken. The onboard SCSI of the compaq motherboard is probably a sym53c8xx |
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| 08:47.36 | Rawplayer | http://kevin.oom-killer.org/ufo_sighting.wmv |
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| 08:48.23 | pacman | Zenox, the 4250ES would spend like 3 or 4 minutes initializing itself during the BIOS startup... it had a progress meter that was a little spinner made up of successive -,/,|,\ characters, and it would add more spinners as it made progress... eventually there's like 8 spinners going and then it moves on... |
| 08:48.44 | pacman | and that was with only 3 disks plugged into it. |
| 08:48.56 | mad_ogre | i have a 1000mbit connection between two PCs, but I can only transfer at around 11MB/s and I don't know why |
| 08:49.10 | shining | does anyone use pcspkr? I don't understand why this module is loaded by default |
| 08:49.29 | jm_ | do you know what pcspkr does? |
| 08:49.47 | saik0 | mad_ogre: mbit != mbyte |
| 08:49.49 | alexkln | mad_ogre cause mbit is 8 - 10 times lower, then Mbyte |
| 08:49.49 | row | how can I get a breakdown of whats using system memory? |
| 08:49.58 | row | bit more detialed than top. |
| 08:50.01 | fireba11 | mad_ogre: you sure the NICs use GBit ? sounds like they did fall back to 100 MBit |
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| 08:50.45 | shining | jm_: not really, but I can see the effect, a very annoying beep |
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| 08:50.51 | mad_ogre | fireba11: i'm pretty sure they're connecting at 1000MBit |
| 08:50.59 | Assid | hrmm .. ssh-keygen is still giving me .ssh directory |
| 08:51.00 | fireba11 | mad_ogre: you checked ? |
| 08:51.05 | jm_ | shining: spot on, so disable beeping in whatever tool is making them |
| 08:51.06 | mad_ogre | fireba11: Yup |
| 08:51.10 | Assid | but.. the sshd is now working the way it shold |
| 08:51.18 | fireba11 | mad_ogre: what did you use to test speed ? |
| 08:51.21 | pacman | Assid, that's normal. .ssh2 is the weird proprietary thing. |
| 08:51.22 | mad_ogre | fireba11: on both the kernel message and on the gigabit switch |
| 08:51.42 | mad_ogre | fireba11: a regular scp between PCs |
| 08:51.51 | smhar | ok done.. changed unstable to sid.. and update worked but still I cannot get myth to to install |
| 08:52.23 | pacman | saturating 1000Mb/s is not an easy job. you can be limited by the CPU speed (especially when you're encrypting data for the scp), or the rate the data is coming off the disk |
| 08:52.27 | alexkln | mad_ogre, try to check with ftp. scp is much slower. |
| 08:52.27 | fireba11 | mad_ogre: hm .. that's about what i get using scp with 100 MBit though ^^ |
| 08:52.56 | fireba11 | mad_ogre alexkln yes ... since scp is encrypted taht could impair speed |
| 08:53.28 | Zenox | pacman: Yea, I watched the boot sequence throughout.. It said SCSI Controller and underneath it had found the scsi drive.. But it was just for a couple of secs.. Guess it's just some nerdy internal crap controller then :/ |
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| 08:53.58 | hramrach | smhar: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main works for me |
| 08:54.09 | pacman | Zenox once you get to the point where you can run lspci (which you can do pretty soon in the install process... shouldn't be a problem if you have a working CD drive in it) you'll know what's in there. |
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| 08:54.42 | mad_ogre | fireba11: Hang on, let me try ftping now |
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| 08:55.03 | alexkln | fireba11, I usually have 5-7 MB with ftp and only 1-2 with scp on a 100MB link. Old slow router ;) |
| 08:55.17 | smhar | hramrach, you installed mythtv? |
| 08:55.39 | hramrach | no, I tried to install mplayer |
| 08:55.48 | Zenox | pacman: Mm yes, thanks for the advice. Gonna check it out, doesnt seem to good though. |
| 08:56.07 | pacman | when you bought this, did they tell you it had RAID? maybe they were using the Micros~1 definition of RAID, which is "if we can do it in software, all disk drives are now "RAID" thanks to the power of Marketing" |
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| 08:56.47 | smhar | hramrach, well the deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sid main now works ok.. but mythtv still complains about deps |
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| 08:57.11 | fireba11 | pacmac: jup .. am still tryint to find a reasonably priced mobo with 4x SATA and RAID 5 :-) |
| 08:57.12 | hramrach | smhar: try installing from etch |
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| 08:57.41 | smhar | hramrach, I am on etch mainly but mythtv requires some packages from sid |
| 08:58.20 | hramrach | yes, but that does not mean you cannot install mythtv from etch as long as there is one |
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| 09:00.00 | BNE | i need a pci sata-raid-controller for a debain system. the boot drive will not be raid. which controller is suitable for debian? i would like one for which the kernel 2.6 already has drivers. |
| 09:00.14 | mad_ogre | fireba11: 180793344 bytes sent in 5.32 secs (33204.7 kB/s) is the highest throughput I got |
| 09:00.24 | jm_ | Linux SATA status page lists supported chips |
| 09:00.55 | smhar | when trying to apt-get install mythtv I got this: mythtv: Depends: mythtv-frontend (= 0.18.1-5) but it is not going to be installed |
| 09:01.08 | smhar | and Depends: mythtv-backend (= 0.18.1-5) but it is not going to be installed |
| 09:01.11 | sep | BNE, 1 word 3ware ! |
| 09:01.15 | fireba11 | mad_ogre: so that's about 32 MB/s .. probably close to HD write speed i'd say |
| 09:01.21 | smhar | then E: Broken packages |
| 09:01.36 | hramrach | smhar: I do not get mythtv at all :) |
| 09:02.00 | hramrach | but if you tried with aptitude you would see how the packages are broken |
| 09:02.12 | mad_ogre | fireba11: then which method should I use to test the throughput? |
| 09:02.27 | smhar | I think it is almost it for me for mythtv. I think I will try gentoo for that |
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| 09:02.52 | fireba11 | mad_ogre: not that easy to check throuput of GBit .. you could make a ramdrive on both PCs and transfer from and to these |
| 09:03.14 | hramrach | smhar: if you got the hardware and disk space and time :) |
| 09:03.33 | mad_ogre | fireba11: good idea! which command creates the ramdrive? |
| 09:03.47 | jm_ | FireBlade: it's actually qite simple with dd + nc |
| 09:03.51 | jm_ | quite* |
| 09:04.00 | jm_ | and the message was for fireba11 |
| 09:04.11 | fireba11 | mad_ogre: dunno ... btu you should at least use 50 MB to get a reasonable test setup |
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| 09:04.26 | IO80 | hi all!!!!!!!! |
| 09:04.27 | IO80 | :D |
| 09:04.35 | mad_ogre | fireba11: ok thanxs, i'll google around a bit then |
| 09:05.00 | fireba11 | mad_ogre: look at what jm_ wrote |
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| 09:05.45 | smhar | hramrach, I got an old amd athlon 1000 but I managed to install gentoo a month ago in a spare partition in myu computer.. I better try installing mythtv there.. but I had always thought of debian as my main system |
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| 09:06.56 | nkuttler | smhar: where do you get your packages from? |
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| 09:07.27 | IO80 | I have a trouble... :( I would add some packages to a Debian cd image... for example I would add some packages in debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso because I need a particular small debian..can someone help me, please?? |
| 09:07.54 | IO80 | i would add 2-3 package in the cd... |
| 09:07.59 | IO80 | *packages.. |
| 09:08.44 | smhar | nkuttler, deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv as per the mythtv.org site |
| 09:09.00 | IO80 | so when the installer start, it installs those packages too.. |
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| 09:09.34 | nkuttler | smhar: it's not really surprising that a testing/unstable mix has broken dependencies |
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| 09:10.05 | nkuttler | smhar: i'd try to upgrade to unstable completely. if the packages still don't install wait a few days until the maintainer updates the packages |
| 09:11.41 | IO80 | can someone help me, please?? |
| 09:11.50 | smhar | nulltank, but I don't want to run unstable .. this is my main computer.. and I want it as stable as posible.. I just want the required things from sid.. |
| 09:11.52 | sep | !tell IO80 about ask |
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| 09:12.28 | kab00m | hi folks |
| 09:12.35 | smhar | nkuttler, my main problem of dep so far is the libqt3-mt.. it is giving me all those other dep errors |
| 09:12.42 | IO80 | sep... I have a trouble... :( I would add some packages to a Debian cd image... for example I would add some packages in debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso because I need a particular small debian..can someone help me, please?? |
| 09:12.42 | romany | I've tried googling in order to find a howto on 'setting Debian web server ISP/Multiuser Hosting style', but haven't really found anything. I pretty much know what I need/want, but wanted to see what others do in order to make life for admins and users easier (e.g. admin web panels etc). Is there a good paper somewhere that I missed? |
| 09:12.43 | sep | !tell IO80 about custom cd |
| 09:12.49 | kab00m | how can i change how the network adapter are associated with the eth* ? |
| 09:13.22 | kab00m | e.g. currently my wifi card is like eth2 and i would like to change it to wlan0 |
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| 09:13.24 | nkuttler | kab00m: load the kernel modules in the correct order, man 5 modules |
| 09:13.33 | sep | IO80, dont know if it's 100% apliable but it's a startingpoint |
| 09:14.02 | dion | hi |
| 09:14.19 | IO80 | ok! thank u! |
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| 09:14.44 | liable | kab00m: take a look at ifrename |
| 09:14.46 | IO80 | and what is the difference between udeb and deb? |
| 09:14.48 | dion | helo |
| 09:14.53 | kab00m | ok, thank you guys :) |
| 09:15.23 | azeem | IO80: a udeb is a minimal .deb for debian-installer use |
| 09:15.28 | sep | !tell IO80 about udeb |
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| 09:15.41 | azeem | IO80: it is stripped of unecessary content like documentation, and has no pre/postinst scripts |
| 09:16.22 | IO80 | ok... so i can convert den in uden only changing the extension? |
| 09:16.24 | Licker | i was wondering if there is a way to put a graphic interface on debian? Or.. what is the apt-get command if there is one? |
| 09:16.33 | IO80 | ok... so i can convert deb in udeb only changing the extension? |
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| 09:17.13 | dion | oo |
| 09:17.15 | dion | njk |
| 09:17.20 | nkuttler | Licker: there are different ones. which one do you want? |
| 09:17.20 | liable | thats almost qotd material.. |
| 09:17.37 | Licker | wich runs smoother? |
| 09:17.55 | sep | IO80, think that if all you want is to have a spesific extra package available on the cd. then you can mount the cdimage using loop, add the .debs you need , you might need to update the repository on the cd somehow (have no idea how) , unmount and burn the image |
| 09:17.56 | dion | hi |
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| 09:18.05 | nkuttler | Licker: i like fluxbox, but that may not be what you want |
| 09:18.27 | Licker | got a link or pic I can see of it? (examples) |
| 09:18.42 | liable | Licker: you are new to debian i take it, if you have a descent amount of ram, install gnome or kde untill you get used to the system, then try whatever else you might like. |
| 09:18.52 | nkuttler | Licker: google it. look into gnome, kde, xfce as well |
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| 09:19.09 | amorphix | hi guys |
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| 09:19.25 | amorphix | I got my laptop back up and im running stable once again |
| 09:19.27 | Licker | ive used gnome and KDE |
| 09:19.29 | IO80 | if i create a deb packages with dpkg... can I convert it in udeb just modifying its extension? |
| 09:19.40 | amorphix | but i have a problem with nfs still which i hoped would go away |
| 09:19.51 | smartbhai | hi people .. icant install sarge to a machine with sata hard disk |
| 09:20.24 | amorphix | i tried to copy a file to another part of my nfs filesystem and i got this: |
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| 09:20.27 | amorphix | Oct 14 10:00:39 omnibook kernel: nfs: server 192.168.0.3 not responding, still trying |
| 09:20.27 | amorphix | Oct 14 10:00:41 omnibook kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 09:20.28 | Licker | I was using Ubuntu but then it went all weird on me. :/ So i decided to just get the orig. :p But I installed the NET ver and didnt get the interface |
| 09:20.34 | liable | smartbhai: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 09:20.35 | amorphix | and a total system lockup |
| 09:20.59 | amorphix | is it time to sell my laptop? |
| 09:21.05 | nkuttler | Licker: /msg dpkg set up x, /msg dpkg install gnome, /msg dpkg faq |
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| 09:22.03 | amorphix | when I boot up my laptop it's not automatically mounting nfs home dir |
| 09:22.16 | amorphix | any ideas why? I have a valid entry in fstab |
| 09:22.29 | liable | Licker: you can just run 'tasksel' if you like, and install the desktop environment, which will give you both kde and gnome. |
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| 09:23.17 | Licker | what is tasksel? |
| 09:23.37 | liable | Licker: type it in a terminal |
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| 09:23.43 | liable | as root |
| 09:23.46 | amorphix | whats this mean: Oct 14 10:00:41 omnibook kernel: eth0: Resetting the Tx ring pointer |
| 09:24.04 | IO80 | thank u guys! |
| 09:24.09 | IO80 | see u later! |
| 09:24.15 | kab00m | is it possible to use a .config from a 2.6.13 kernel for a 2.6.12 kernel? |
| 09:24.27 | kab00m | maybe with first running make oldconfig=? |
| 09:24.58 | amorphix | any idea what these flags mean after eth0 failure msg: |
| 09:25.01 | amorphix | Flags; bus-master 1, dirty 28159(15) current 28175(15) |
| 09:25.32 | amorphix | also some diagnostic info: diagnostics: net 0ee0 media 8800 dma 000000a0 fifo 0000 |
| 09:25.42 | amorphix | meaningless? |
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| 09:26.34 | amorphix | also how about this one: rpc.statd[3441]: Received erroneous SM_UNMON request from omnibook for 192.168.0.3 -- could be unrelated? |
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| 09:27.23 | amorphix | copying a 2.8mb file via konqueror from my home dir to a sub directory in it caused all this |
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| 09:28.25 | amorphix | nfs: server 192.168.0.3 not responding, still trying |
| 09:28.30 | dn4 | finally got m0n0wall installed and routing stuff |
| 09:28.38 | amorphix | cool |
| 09:28.38 | dn4 | anyone know how to do port fowarding with m0n0wall |
| 09:28.44 | amorphix | is that better than nfs? |
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| 09:29.18 | romany | dn4: what release are you on 1.2? |
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| 09:30.08 | dondelelcaro | amorphix: please don't do that. |
| 09:30.11 | Licker | wow... fluxbox is pretty neat. i never heard of it before. nice |
| 09:30.27 | amorphix | needed to check my connection, sorry |
| 09:30.48 | amorphix | Licker: isnt it |
| 09:30.57 | amorphix | Licker: try enlightenment also |
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| 09:31.23 | Licker | enlightment is a desktop? |
| 09:31.24 | ice_1963 | ya so is windowmaker |
| 09:31.27 | Licker | or theme |
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| 09:31.40 | amorphix | it's a window manager |
| 09:31.53 | romany | dn4: it's under Firewall->NAT. I assume you are talking about inbound |
| 09:31.54 | amorphix | not a full desktop like kde/gnome |
| 09:32.07 | amorphix | but its pretty slick and does some cool affects |
| 09:32.16 | amorphix | its also the fastest window manager |
| 09:32.43 | amorphix | does anyone here own a HP Omnibook or has owned one? |
| 09:32.53 | resiak | !tell amorphix -about enter |
| 09:33.06 | amorphix | wtf? |
| 09:33.11 | amorphix | resiak ? |
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| 09:33.41 | amorphix | where do you get off telling me how to type? |
| 09:33.42 | resiak | amorphix: Just about every line for the past page has been you speaking in one-clause-per-line. |
| 09:33.51 | amorphix | yeah, deal with it |
| 09:34.11 | amorphix | sheesh |
| 09:34.55 | Licker | o.O |
| 09:35.07 | dn4 | how do I find out the current port of my IP is on? |
| 09:35.15 | Licker | o.O |
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| 09:35.20 | Licker | your IP address? |
| 09:35.30 | amorphix | ifconfig will display some info |
| 09:35.54 | dn4 | romany, I want to run a server on a computer within my LAN, but others from the WAN can access it |
| 09:36.17 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 09:36.36 | amorphix | u need the networking howto |
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| 09:36.45 | dn4 | anyone know how to find the local port for the ip addy I am using? |
| 09:36.46 | romany | dn4: what services do you want to run (e.g. HTTP, SMTP) |
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| 09:36.55 | amorphix | setup your iptables/firewall rules |
| 09:36.59 | dn4 | ./sc_serv or icecast2 |
| 09:37.11 | martial | hello |
| 09:37.19 | dn4 | they are broadcasting servers |
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| 09:37.23 | dn4 | streaming live audio to the net |
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| 09:37.31 | amorphix | phew |
| 09:37.37 | sep | dn4, the port is spesific to the service your running eg webserver = port 80 the command netstat -plon should tell you something |
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| 09:38.41 | dn4 | not sure what this all means haha |
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| 09:38.44 | sep | dn4, netstat -plontu will remove the unix socets that your uninterested in making that list more readable |
| 09:38.44 | M23 | does anyone know what command I can do to run random disk seeks on a drive? |
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| 09:38.57 | kitsuneofdoom | hey...I want to install a TV card...and I'm totally lost here |
| 09:38.59 | sep | dn4, it tells you what services you run and what ports they are listening on |
| 09:39.08 | cahoot | M23: maybe bonnie++ |
| 09:39.34 | M23 | bonnie++? |
| 09:39.47 | kitsuneofdoom | It's an ATi TV Wonder Pro...how the heck do you install TV4Linux? |
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| 09:40.30 | romany | I guess there is no "setting ISP/Hosting style web server" howto, or is there? |
| 09:40.31 | cahoot | M23: try apt-cache show bonnie++ |
| 09:40.37 | M23 | I'm sure there is just a standard command in fsck or hdparm or something. I just can't find it. |
| 09:40.46 | cahoot | ok |
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| 09:41.03 | Aximas | hello ppl could you please help me, i have a problem with dpkg i got this error message: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 260067 package `chasen-cannadic': |
| 09:41.03 | Aximas | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.03 | Aximas | when I want to install something |
| 09:41.04 | snail | anyone else having difficulty installing kde on testing? |
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| 09:41.27 | snail | kdewebdev and kdegraphics seem to clash |
| 09:41.36 | caphuso | Aximas: run "dselect update" and try again |
| 09:41.43 | cahoot | Aximas: try /msg dpkg available |
| 09:42.05 | xenxis | hi, i've installed debian in this laptop, but i bought a new one and i want to mirgate to them, how can i transfer my linux system? |
| 09:42.58 | jm_ | xenx;hard disk upgrade mini howto |
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| 09:43.43 | dn4 | what is the different between inbound and outbound ? |
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| 09:43.51 | caphuso | dn4: the direction |
| 09:43.56 | Aximas | caphuso than you very much |
| 09:43.59 | dn4 | inbound comes from the WAN? |
| 09:44.00 | Aximas | it helped me |
| 09:44.05 | dn4 | outbound comes from the LAN? |
| 09:44.11 | romany | dn4: you want inbound |
| 09:44.11 | kitsuneofdoom | apt-get and dpkg freeze on XAWTV |
| 09:44.11 | caphuso | dn4: inbound comes in, outbound goes out |
| 09:44.17 | Aximas | Replacing available packages info, using /var/cache/apt/available. |
| 09:44.17 | Aximas | Information about 17197 package(s) was updated. |
| 09:44.29 | enerv | how I make to see the version of debhelper? |
| 09:44.48 | caphuso | enerv: dpkg -l debhelper |
| 09:44.51 | dn4 | romany, why do I want to have an inbound port of 8000 insteadof having it go out? |
| 09:44.54 | enerv | thanks caphuso |
| 09:45.05 | omi | Is anyone using USB2 peer-to-peer networking? what transfer rate are you getting? |
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| 09:45.34 | kitsuneofdoom | whenever I try and run apt-get it now says to run dpkg --configure -a, and then it tries to install xawtv again, and freezes |
| 09:45.35 | jm_ | why bother? such cable costs almost as much as a real NIC card |
| 09:45.37 | dn4 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 4881/sc_serv off (0.00/0/0) |
| 09:45.37 | dn4 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8001 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 4881/sc_serv off (0.00/0/0) |
| 09:45.48 | romany | dn4: if you want services on the LAN to be visible from the outside you need inbound NAT |
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| 09:46.34 | dn4 | ahhh |
| 09:46.37 | omi | jm_ isn't usb supposed to be 300-400 mbps? |
| 09:46.47 | dn4 | so I should make the sc_serv inbound on 8000-8001 |
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| 09:47.09 | dn4 | should the ip addres be the address of the computer that I want to use behind the LAN for those serverices? |
| 09:47.18 | omi | nm |
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| 09:48.29 | romany | dn4: it should be your internal ip |
| 09:48.48 | kitsuneofdoom | dpkg and apt-get are freezing up on the xawtv package |
| 09:48.48 | dpkg | okay, kitsuneofdoom |
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| 09:48.52 | dn4 | alright setting it up |
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| 09:49.01 | dn4 | what ip address should I tell everyone to connect to? |
| 09:49.07 | SimonRaven | !forget and apt-get |
| 09:49.08 | dpkg | i forgot and apt-get, SimonRaven |
| 09:49.29 | SimonRaven | the external one |
| 09:49.35 | amorphix | phew |
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| 09:50.29 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.41 | romany | dn4: skim through this http://doc.m0n0.ch/handbook/nat.html. it will save a lot aggravation |
| 09:50.54 | dn4 | ok thank you |
| 09:51.16 | enerv | uninstall: |
| 09:51.16 | enerv | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.16 | enerv | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.41 | enerv | any problem in this? in my Makefile? |
| 09:52.11 | enerv | i'm port one program for debian |
| 09:52.21 | udo | hi, my printer Hp6840 aborts jobs from cups, I've just installed hp6840, the package seems to be well configured, cups sees the printer but when I try to print the jobs is aboted. If anybody could suggest something. The printer is connected to the eth0 |
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| 09:53.44 | nkuttler | enerv: hm, doesn't look smart. it would remove all other binaries in prefix/bin... |
| 09:54.10 | amorphix | what I like about cups is that you can print a document even when your printer is switch OFF! trying doing this in windows |
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| 09:54.47 | cahoot | amorphix: virtual output? |
| 09:55.14 | amorphix | cahoot: well the print jobs are spooled I guess and when you put the printer online its printed |
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| 09:55.31 | fireba11 | in current news: etch is due in december 2006 ^^ |
| 09:55.46 | fireba11 | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/10/msg00004.html |
| 09:55.48 | Aximas | hello ppl, could you please help me? how can i swith from gcc-4.0 to gcc-3.3 ???? |
| 09:56.02 | Aximas | i can't deinstall it.. |
| 09:56.14 | amorphix | cahoot: your nickname is a brand of online bank/credit card in UK |
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| 09:56.53 | cahoot | amorphix: hmm - they stole it already? |
| 09:56.53 | dn4 | <10/14/05@04:51:10> [source] listening for connection on port 8001 |
| 09:56.57 | dn4 | what does this mean? |
| 09:57.29 | SimonRaven | exactly what it says |
| 09:57.32 | enerv | nkuttler, yes... how i make to remove folder "usr" "usr/package" "usr/share/pixmaps/" ? |
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| 09:58.27 | SimonRaven | for loop maybe... |
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| 09:58.47 | enerv | nkuttler, i try put in file dirs, "usr" |
| 09:58.52 | enerv | nkuttler, and not work |
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| 09:59.35 | nkuttler | enerv: your question is not really on topic. consider joining a programming channel, i'm sure they will point you to the correct docs |
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| 10:00.04 | enerv | nkuttler, ok tnks |
| 10:00.06 | enerv | and sorry |
| 10:00.12 | nkuttler | np |
| 10:00.36 | kitsuneofdoom | ok...sorry to repeat...but xawtv doesn't seem to completely install on my machine |
| 10:00.39 | Aximas | how can i swith from gcc-4.0 to gcc-3.3 ???? |
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| 10:01.10 | jm_ | omi: yes, USB 2.0 |
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| 10:02.41 | Yoe | Aximas: install the gcc-3.3 package and export CC=gcc-3.3 before you start compiling |
| 10:03.07 | Aximas | Yoe: there is utility which changes links |
| 10:03.13 | Aximas | Yoe: something like gcc wrapper or so |
| 10:03.15 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.33 | Yoe | Aximas: you're thinking of update-alternatives, but that's not used for gcc |
| 10:03.40 | Aximas | Yoe: rofl |
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| 10:03.55 | Aximas | Yoe: i donät wnat update alternatives |
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| 10:04.35 | Aximas | Yoe: .... ok i donät care |
| 10:04.36 | Yoe | Aximas: there is no utility which changes links. The links are in the binary packages from the gcc-defaults source package, and you can't automatedly change them |
| 10:04.43 | Aximas | Yoe: sure pff |
| 10:04.46 | Yoe | you can, of course, manually change the links if you want to |
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| 10:04.55 | Aximas | there is such tool Yoe |
| 10:05.00 | dn4 | will anyone do me a favor and test out my network |
| 10:05.07 | dn4 | http://205.188.234.98:8000/listen.pls |
| 10:05.18 | Yoe | *sigh* no, there is none, for a very good reason. |
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| 10:06.05 | smartbhai | liable : i checked the sata page.. but cant find any help for the specific hardware.. |
| 10:06.34 | dn4 | wait wait |
| 10:06.36 | dn4 | I am talking on my mic |
| 10:06.37 | dn4 | haha |
| 10:06.42 | dn4 | let me get my vinyl record going as well |
| 10:07.10 | liable | smartbhai: hrm, google the i guess, what is it/ |
| 10:07.12 | liable | ? |
| 10:07.13 | dn4 | if someone would try the link once more please |
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| 10:07.55 | smartbhai | liable : it is a uli chipset based sata controller.. |
| 10:08.39 | pureone | Connect error : Connection refused |
| 10:08.39 | pureone | File not found: '205.188.234.98:8000/listen.pls' |
| 10:08.39 | pureone | Failed to open http://205.188.234.98:8000/listen.pls |
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| 10:10.09 | liable | smartbhai: theres info on the uli controller on that page. |
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| 10:10.18 | session | 11 23 * * * rsync --delte-after -avz /mnt/windows /home/session/mp3 Does this delete the same files as I have deleted in /mnt/windows ? |
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| 10:10.46 | SimonRaven | hah. dumbass |
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| 10:11.04 | omi | why are people trying these things? |
| 10:11.05 | jm_ | haven't seen rima morons for a while ;) |
| 10:11.24 | SimonRaven | since last night $localtime |
| 10:11.39 | gothtec | What's that program that will show me what keys I am pressing and releasing? I have some problems with VNC and would like to see what keystrokes are actually getting through. |
| 10:11.48 | SimonRaven | xev\ |
| 10:11.48 | jm_ | xev |
| 10:11.57 | SimonRaven | s/\\// |
| 10:12.04 | gothtec | thx |
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| 10:13.11 | wobbler | dn4: this is the correct address 24.250.156.29:8000 it works for me |
| 10:13.55 | dn4 | ahhh |
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| 10:14.45 | wobbler | Trance-Atlantis |
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| 10:16.46 | alfatau | hello, i'm trying to share the internet connection and i want to use a linux firewall before my network. I configured iptables with masquerading, but i've a problem: while internet connection works perfectly, name resolution don't. So i have to put my isp dns on my connection settings instead of putting the ip of my firewall. Can you help me to understand to what it's due? |
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| 10:17.23 | fireba11 | alfatau: your firewall doesn' |
| 10:17.29 | fireba11 | t run a nameserver |
| 10:17.37 | fireba11 | ups .. should have gone in one line |
| 10:17.55 | jm_ | yeah you can use something like dnsmasq on it |
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| 10:18.12 | fireba11 | jm_ dnsmasq is forwarding of DNS requests i assume ? |
| 10:18.28 | jm_ | fireba11: yes, and it also works as a DNS server for small networks |
| 10:18.37 | jm_ | and caching |
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| 10:19.08 | fireba11 | jm_ good .. saves me searching for the name :-) |
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| 10:19.35 | alfatau | dnsmasq? |
| 10:19.46 | alexkln | alfatau, have you a nameserver on the firewall host ? |
| 10:20.07 | alfatau | alexkln: no |
| 10:20.08 | smartbhai | liable ; that info doesnt help me mcuh |
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| 10:20.48 | tarzeau | if a user has gnome and one software makes the machine hang up locally, which one is it? |
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| 10:21.09 | smartbhai | liable : i think the daily debian installer on amd64.debian.net/debian-installer might help |
| 10:21.14 | alexkln | alfatau, so you need to specify address of the valid nameserver. |
| 10:21.21 | smartbhai | liable : can u tell me how to use it |
| 10:21.24 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/people/gnome/which.txt ? |
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| 10:23.03 | alfatau | alexkln: ok, but i would avoid to have to specify it: i would i connect with dhcp server running on my linux firewall, and that it would be the default gateway and dns server |
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| 10:25.10 | alexkln | alfatau, then check your dhcp server settings. Maybe it tells you wrong dns-server addresses. |
| 10:26.13 | alfatau | alexkln: it seems correct... but i'll try again... |
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| 10:27.49 | ch | my system clock is one hour ahead of my BIOS clock. I know I can use the date command but the clock is changed after a reboot. |
| 10:27.52 | ch | any idea? |
| 10:28.36 | EdLin | ch: maybe you specified the wrong time zone |
| 10:29.08 | ch | EdLin, maybe. How do I change that? |
| 10:29.23 | Optical-dlz | http://linuxfire.dhis.org:8000/198 <-- Does anyone meet this problem ? After upgrade to udev 0.70-5,it happens frequently |
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| 10:29.57 | fashionboy | ch: I don't remember but maybe you can run the command: dpkg-reconfigure base-config |
| 10:30.07 | EdLin | ch: /etc/localtime is the symlink to the time zone file. |
| 10:30.24 | fashionboy | ch: you can sincronize the time using ntpdate, but there's the symlink in /etc/localtime. :) |
| 10:31.05 | EdLin | if the problem is the time zone specs ntpdate won't help |
| 10:32.14 | fashionboy | EdLin: you can syncronize the time by hand, maybe it will not changes on the next reboot. |
| 10:32.16 | EdLin | ch: if you don't want to fiddle with the symlink I think the command "base-config" (no dpkg-reconfigure) will work |
| 10:32.17 | fashionboy | :) |
| 10:32.55 | EdLin | fashionboy: yes, but you still will be using the wrong time zone. Not a good idea. |
| 10:32.57 | session | What is the proper way to mount a cdrom ? mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom is root only... ? |
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| 10:34.03 | fashionboy | session: if the /mnt/cdrom isn't set into the /etc/fstab I think only root can mount the device. :) |
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| 10:34.16 | nkuttler | session: put it in your fstab with the user option. man 5 fstab |
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| 10:35.00 | fashionboy | session: if the device is into the /etc/fstab file you can mount the device from user too. There are flags in /etc/fstab to set it anyway. :) |
| 10:35.07 | Duke_Nuke | i've just installed debian sarge but i can't boot from my hd, how can i install grub or lilo on floppy during debian installation? (with the previous debian release it was possible to put lilo even in fd0 other than mbr, in sarge i can't find it) |
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| 10:35.49 | honschu | Hi, is there a good and free VPN client for windows xp home? |
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| 10:36.11 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | have u tried hamachi ? |
| 10:36.11 | Guerin | !htfswk honschu |
| 10:36.14 | dpkg | honschu: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 10:36.17 | pureone | openvpn? |
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| 10:36.23 | Guerin | honschu: ask #windowsxphome |
| 10:36.26 | honschu | I need to connect my dads wlan xp to my box |
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| 10:36.32 | sgbirch | openvpn works well |
| 10:36.34 | fashionboy | Guerin: ;) |
| 10:36.36 | honschu | thx |
| 10:36.53 | EdLin | !thx |
| 10:36.53 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. a movie, THX1138, also by George |
| 10:37.12 | sgbirch | dont use the windows vpn software though (its poor), instead put openvpn on both ends |
| 10:37.33 | honschu | sgbirch: I have a openbsd-box with isakmpd |
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| 10:38.02 | bonz | honschu: poor you |
| 10:38.11 | romany | where do mysql & postgresql keep their databases by default? |
| 10:38.12 | honschu | bonz: poor? |
| 10:38.25 | fireba11 | romany /var/lib/[nameofdatabase] |
| 10:38.26 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | can someone help me editing the XF86Config-4 file, so that my X would run on 1280x800 resolution ? |
| 10:38.26 | sgbirch | honschu: I dont know of isakmpd, what is it? |
| 10:38.29 | fashionboy | romany: maybe /var/lib/nameofdb |
| 10:38.32 | ch | EdLin, I set /etc/localtime but no change. Actually, base-config doesn't read my clock property. And hwclock says /dev/rtc not found |
| 10:38.41 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | I have a Acer TravelMate 4102WLMi... |
| 10:39.08 | honschu | sgbirch: It's the IPsec-Daemon in OpenBSD |
| 10:39.08 | fashionboy | ch: maybe you have to recompile your kernel and add the support for /dev/rtc. It's listed. :) |
| 10:39.15 | EdLin | ch: after changing the symlink, you may have to log out and log back in again (either that or change the TZ environmental variable.) |
| 10:39.27 | sgbirch | honschu: ok |
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| 10:40.12 | honschu | sgbirch: OpenVPN isn't able to handle ipsec |
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| 10:40.38 | honschu | openvpn isn't the solution for a ipsec-security - because it's not implemented there |
| 10:40.42 | sgbirch | honschu: yup, that is correct |
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| 10:41.08 | honschu | so, what to say: Windoze also sucks as a client ;) |
| 10:41.27 | streuner | [LON]FoxiMaxi: what does 'lspci -v | grep VGA' say? |
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| 10:42.15 | romany | I have a 80Gb drive and planning to install multiuser web/mail server. I want to go with 5 partitions + swap (/ /usr /var /tmp /home). Should I go with guided during install? |
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| 10:42.28 | ch | fashionboy, actually, I have rtc has a module. I just need to load it. |
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| 10:43.44 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streumer: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5653 (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
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| 10:44.36 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streumer: I have tried editing the XF86Config-4 by some descriptions of other people, but without success. |
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| 10:45.12 | mr_kreg | is there a config tool or a dpkp-reconfigure style menu for courier-imapd? |
| 10:45.27 | streuner | [LON]FoxiMaxi: run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and again and choose 'VESA', but keep in mind VESA is limited |
| 10:45.42 | Guerin | mr_kreg: courier makes a webadmin package |
| 10:45.48 | Guerin | but i don't think it does what you want |
| 10:45.59 | Guerin | mr_kreg: the config files aren't hard, though |
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| 10:46.35 | mr_kreg | Guerin, i get as far as thunderbird asking for my password, but it fails to connect. |
| 10:46.41 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streumer: Ok, but there is no reasonable setting for Widescreen resolution. |
| 10:46.43 | Zenox | Another question about scsi... Is Adaptec AHA-2940 Ultra supported out of the box when installing Debian Sarge or do I need some driver diskette or something? |
| 10:46.44 | Guerin | mr_kreg: logs |
| 10:47.13 | mr_kreg | Guerin, do you know where it logs to? i have looked for them, and i haven't found the courier website docs to tell me where logging gets stored. |
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| 10:47.57 | streuner | [LON]FoxiMaxi: what drivers did you use so far? |
| 10:48.13 | poppor | if I start linux with parameter init=/bin/sh the system becomes read-only.. how can I then fix things? |
| 10:48.25 | jm_ | you need to remount it in rw mode |
| 10:48.31 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streuner: none. |
| 10:48.48 | Zenox | pacman: *bump* :) |
| 10:48.48 | streuner | good, so VESA only |
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| 10:48.53 | Guerin | mr_kreg: /ver/log/mail.* |
| 10:48.57 | streuner | [LON]FoxiMaxi: /msg dpkg ati |
| 10:48.57 | Guerin | s/ver/var/ |
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| 10:49.46 | mr_kreg | oh i've read /var/log/mail.err, but i think that is from the mta |
| 10:49.47 | cy_ | lo |
| 10:49.55 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streuner: but do I am ok with vesa, I just need the native resolution for my lcd... do I need ati drivers for that ? |
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| 10:50.24 | mr_kreg | besides, the messages in there do not mean much from my understanding. i don't see what it is try to say. |
| 10:50.28 | mr_kreg | for example. Oct 14 04:40:24 tomalak imaplogin: DISCONNECTED, ip=[::ffff:209.161.26.78], time=7 |
| 10:50.48 | streuner | [LON]FoxiMaxi: as i told you before VESA is limited, means you can't switch to higher resolution |
| 10:51.04 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streuner: ok, I see. |
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| 10:51.37 | drac | [LON]FoxiMaxi: No, you need ATi drivers only for 3D but if you want driver "ati" to work with custom resolution, you probably have to upgrade into X.org _OR_ use ATi drivers. |
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| 10:52.02 | drac | XFree86 driver "ati" is limited |
| 10:52.02 | cy_ | if ones debian running computer got owned by a default-passwd-bruteforce-kid and id like to make sure no binaries got replaced with any kind of backdoored versions or so, how could i possibly `apt-get install --reinstall "all-installed-packages"` or anyhow makesure they havent got replaced ? .. i already looked for files changed or newly created by the date of the comprimasion of the system but i didnt find anything.. :\ |
| 10:52.06 | cy_ | sorry for the flood |
| 10:52.09 | cy_ | and the bad english |
| 10:52.11 | cy_ | .. |
| 10:52.21 | streuner | <streuner> [LON]FoxiMaxi: /msg dpkg ati |
| 10:52.29 | jm_ | I doubt that xfree86's ATI driver can't use custom modelines, it's more a matter of its limited support for newer chips |
| 10:52.38 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | drac: ok, so I will install xorg... |
| 10:52.46 | jm_ | cy_: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 10:52.47 | streuner | [LON]FoxiMaxi: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 10:52.50 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streuner: Ok, I will try that too. |
| 10:52.52 | mr_kreg | basically i just did "apt-get install postfix courier-imapd" , setup postfix for maildir format, poked the forwarding rules in the iptables, and tested with telnet from a remote location even to double check. plain ol imap2 on 143. |
| 10:53.02 | jm_ | cy_: and apt-cache show debsums |
| 10:53.10 | cy_ | oh |
| 10:53.12 | cy_ | thanks jm_ |
| 10:53.24 | mr_kreg | tried uw-imapd and same result. is something wrong with how logins occur? |
| 10:53.45 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streuner: That I have one ftp source to download from... |
| 10:54.00 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streuner: but I thing xorg can be installed only from Ubuntu, right ? |
| 10:54.10 | jm_ | no |
| 10:54.12 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streuner: I mean I have to edit the sources.list... |
| 10:54.14 | streuner | [LON]FoxiMaxi: no |
| 10:54.22 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streuner: Aha... :) |
| 10:54.28 | streuner | [LON]FoxiMaxi: we need to know what version of debian you running |
| 10:54.34 | prog | hello all, i have simple question. is possible to store files only in POSIX encoding (using proftpd) ? ( My users upload files with a lot of types encodings and I need to restrict it to f.example Latin-1) |
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| 10:55.06 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streuner: Stable 3.1 |
| 10:55.17 | Guerin | prog: it's possible to restrict the filename, but i don't believe it's possible to restrict a document's charset |
| 10:55.19 | streuner | [LON]FoxiMaxi: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 10:55.39 | Guerin | prog: and I haven't done this in proftpd, but it is possible in some others |
| 10:55.43 | prog | Guerin: oh yes, only filenames :-) , can you give me a link ? |
| 10:55.45 | Guerin | i think vsftpd |
| 10:55.55 | Guerin | prog: it'll be in proftpd-doc package |
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| 10:56.14 | streuner | [LON]FoxiMaxi: keep in mind too, i found nothing on linux-laptop which would looks like that your videocard is even supported |
| 10:56.16 | prog | Guerin, yes, probably, i will follow docs |
| 10:56.21 | prog | Guerin, thank you |
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| 10:56.49 | poppor | can someone help with my read-only problem ? |
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| 10:57.18 | streuner | [LON]FoxiMaxi: there are 3 entries for 4101, from 2 guys, but none of them got it rarely working and your laptop seems to be newer... |
| 10:57.18 | Guerin | poppor: mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 10:57.56 | omry | what ports should I have open for nfs? I opened 111 (portmap) and 2049 (nfs) but its still not enough... |
| 10:58.16 | Guerin | omry: nfs is a BASTARD to firewall |
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| 10:58.23 | Guerin | omry: the best option is to tunnel it |
| 10:58.42 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streuner: yeap... |
| 10:58.49 | omry | Guerin, bastard how? dynamic ports? |
| 10:58.50 | Guerin | omry: it's like playing whack-a-mole |
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| 10:59.04 | Guerin | i think it's something like that, yeah |
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| 10:59.29 | omry | Guerin, how do I tunnel it than? |
| 10:59.33 | Guerin | omry: but if you're using nfs between untrusted hosts, you have bigger problems |
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| 10:59.47 | omry | Guerin, I use it between trusted hosts. |
| 10:59.49 | Guerin | omry: it might be documented in the tldp nfs howto |
| 10:59.58 | Guerin | omry: then why are you firewalling between them? |
| 11:00.00 | jm_ | there's nfs over ssh howto ;) |
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| 11:00.53 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streuner: Ok, I will try xorg now, but it will remove my XFree86, so... |
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| 11:01.12 | omry | Guerin, I dont need to firewall between them. its just some side effect of my firewall. I am using ipkungfu - didn't figure out how to teach it to allow all from local machines. |
| 11:01.19 | Guerin | wtf |
| 11:01.24 | Guerin | ipkungfu? |
| 11:01.35 | streuner | [LON]FoxiMaxi: install irssi-text |
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| 11:01.43 | omry | yeah. its above iptables, with a nicer interface. |
| 11:01.52 | Guerin | iptables doesn't NEED an interface |
| 11:01.52 | omry | easier to setup. |
| 11:01.56 | Guerin | it's ROFA |
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| 11:02.10 | streuner | [LON]FoxiMaxi: hm, you using X-Chat now, right? |
| 11:02.18 | fireba11 | !rofa |
| 11:02.23 | fireba11 | hmm |
| 11:02.34 | fireba11 | Guerin what's rofa ? |
| 11:02.35 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streuner: yes, but I will install that text mode... |
| 11:02.39 | streuner | [LON]FoxiMaxi: just install irssi-text, its a command line irc-client |
| 11:02.46 | streuner | !info irssi-text |
| 11:02.49 | dpkg | irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-3.1 (sid), Packaged size: 781 kB, Installed size: 2436 kB |
| 11:03.01 | omry | yeah, what's ROFA? even google define dont know. |
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| 11:03.08 | streuner | !rofa |
| 11:03.14 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streuner: ok, thanks :) |
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| 11:05.57 | poppor | Guerin: thanks..can you explain what that line does exactly ? |
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| 11:07.00 | DrPete- | I am trying to get mailman to work. I am using postfix. with mailman-to-postfix.py, and I want to use virtual domains for different lists, is this possible? |
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| 11:07.03 | poppor | Guerin: never mind.. stupid question :) |
| 11:07.25 | [bman] | anyone know where I can find out information on plotters and engraving machines? I can't seem to find any webpages that discuss how to get them to work with linux (let alone debian). |
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| 11:08.41 | kombi | when exactly does cron.daily run? |
| 11:08.53 | mr_kreg | ok wtf. thunderbird takes about 10min to check mail via imap, but it does eventually work. ??? |
| 11:08.56 | kombi | sorry, I mean cron.hourly.. |
| 11:08.58 | [bman] | kombi: anything in it. daily |
| 11:09.03 | [bman] | hourly |
| 11:09.12 | kombi | bman: what time? |
| 11:09.23 | [bman] | man cron |
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| 11:09.37 | kombi | you know man pages?.. |
| 11:09.56 | jm_ | kombi: look in /etc/cron* |
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| 11:10.00 | rmrfchik | hi |
| 11:10.10 | rmrfchik | is there guys from London timezone? |
| 11:10.11 | [bman] | well. I would look up the information for you, but the man pages are so easy to get. you can also read them on debian.org :-D |
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| 11:10.53 | kombi | bman: didn't mean it, it's just that man pages are what I look at first, before I post |
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| 11:11.55 | [bman] | kombi, look at the bottom of 'man cron'. there is a section that says: "see also". check those manpages as well. |
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| 11:12.29 | kombi | bman: being crontab and crontab, so? |
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| 11:14.34 | [bman] | kombi... also try reading some of the stuff in: /usr/share/doc/cron |
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| 11:16.08 | dn4 | what is the /dev for external usb hdd |
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| 11:16.19 | dn4 | sda1 |
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| 11:16.51 | kombi | ../usr/share/docs was the clue ;) thanks bman! |
| 11:17.09 | [bman] | kombi: ok. I'll give you a better hint. if you read the README.anacron; you'll notice that it talks about /etc/crontab. This is where cron.hourly is scheduled, as well as daily, weekly, monthly... |
| 11:17.10 | poppor | does anyone know what this means "init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl" ? |
| 11:17.13 | [bman] | oh. sorry |
| 11:17.14 | [bman] | :) |
| 11:17.33 | kombi | might have been me.. |
| 11:17.40 | [bman] | np :) |
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| 11:17.46 | jm_ | poppor: it means init is not running |
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| 11:18.04 | jm_ | so yes, someone knows |
| 11:18.22 | [bman] | kombi: I just hate giving people the answer directly. when I can show them the docs, and hope that they can figure it out on their own. |
| 11:18.25 | Guerin | !wayttd poppor |
| 11:18.26 | poppor | jm_: that's strange..of course it's not running.. I'm trying to install it |
| 11:18.27 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, poppor? |
| 11:18.30 | Guerin | oh |
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| 11:18.35 | Guerin | are you doing LFS? |
| 11:18.44 | poppor | LFS? |
| 11:18.51 | Guerin | because there's no other reason I can think of for installing init manually |
| 11:19.02 | jm_ | poppor: no, you're doing something wrong instead of fixing the real problem |
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| 11:19.31 | poppor | Guerin: My linux box just froze on me when switching console with alt-2.. I rebootet and got kernel panic.. can't find /sbin/init |
| 11:19.33 | `Blackat | hi to channel |
| 11:19.34 | `Blackat | :) |
| 11:19.49 | kombi | bman: no worries.. I agree that usually is the more sustainable way |
| 11:19.52 | [bman] | kombi: one of the things I do when I am looking for more information on a package is 'dpkg -L package-name | less' and look for files in /usr/share. Man pages, readme's, etc... |
| 11:19.54 | `Blackat | Have some problem with dpi and kde |
| 11:20.18 | poppor | Guerin: I started linux with parameter init=/bin/sh mounted the cdrom and trying to reinstall sysvinit |
| 11:20.19 | `Blackat | please,can anyone help me ? |
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| 11:20.33 | Guerin | poppor: your filesystem is dead. Boot to a livecd and save what you can. |
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| 11:21.19 | jm_ | poppor: so don't use shutdown command ... |
| 11:21.31 | poppor | Guerin: but how can that happen ? |
| 11:21.33 | `Blackat | ... |
| 11:21.44 | Guerin | poppor: filesystems die. hardware dies. shit happens. |
| 11:21.45 | jm_ | and if you got that message while installing init, it may have been as a result of some postinst script or somesuch, ignore it for now |
| 11:22.08 | [bman] | `Blackat: ask you question, and maybe someone will help you. :-D |
| 11:22.28 | poppor | jm_: you're right I didn't use shutdown but because shutdown didn't work |
| 11:22.31 | `Blackat | Dot Per Inch with kde |
| 11:22.43 | [bman] | dpi is handled by the x server |
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| 11:22.47 | `Blackat | ok |
| 11:22.48 | jm_ | poppor: yes, it won't work, remount it ro, sync many times, reboot |
| 11:22.50 | `Blackat | right... |
| 11:22.56 | poppor | jm_: When the box froze I telneted in and tried to do shutdown.. didn't work |
| 11:23.02 | `Blackat | but I wont to set the dpi to 96 |
| 11:23.14 | jm_ | poppor: must have been a hard panic - one of those hosed my libc once |
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| 11:23.21 | `Blackat | and X server can do only 75 and 100 dpi |
| 11:23.42 | `Blackat | 75 is small and 100 is big for my monitor |
| 11:23.48 | Guerin | `Blackat: 1) take the ` off the start of your nick 2) it's defaultly set to 100dpi, which is so close to 96 you won't notice |
| 11:23.49 | poppor | jm_: if switching consoles can cause somthing like this it's pretty instable don't you think ? |
| 11:23.55 | jm_ | ~bla;bullshit: resolution: 79x82 dots per inch |
| 11:23.56 | `Blackat | right |
| 11:23.57 | `Blackat | :P |
| 11:24.01 | sH4 | Çä |
| 11:24.04 | sH4 | -; |
| 11:24.07 | Blackmicio | :P |
| 11:24.28 | jm_ | poppor: sure, easy to happen with graphic driver involved |
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| 11:24.40 | poppor | hmm.. |
| 11:24.53 | Blackmicio | I don't understand this "it's defaultly set to 100dpi, which is so close to 96 you won't notic" |
| 11:25.11 | [bman] | startx -- -dpi 96 |
| 11:25.15 | poppor | jm_: so you mean there's no way of fixing the filesystem ? |
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| 11:25.29 | jm_ | poppor: no, I never said anything about that |
| 11:25.29 | Trackilizer | Hey guys have a prob, how do i only install Gnome and not both of them in the installation and i only have the first 2 CDs of debain. |
| 11:25.31 | Blackmicio | ok...but I use gdm... |
| 11:25.46 | Blackmicio | can do "startx -- -dpi 96" with GDM ? |
| 11:25.47 | omry | I got "DROP all -- xx.xxx.xxx.xx anywhere" in my iptables input chain, but I still have connections opened from that host. |
| 11:25.49 | poppor | jm_: you ment that was the easiest way ? |
| 11:26.01 | Guerin | Blackmicio: edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf or something |
| 11:26.10 | Blackmicio | uhm... |
| 11:26.12 | jm_ | poppor: no, I just described how such a panic can occur, it's not related to file systems in any way |
| 11:26.34 | [bman] | learn how to pass the xserver arguments via xsession. so many people have answered this question it is bound to be on google. |
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| 11:26.44 | Trackilizer | I only want to have Gnome and not KDE, so how do i choose that in the installation using only CD 2 CDs. |
| 11:26.50 | jm_ | that's easy to find in gdm config files |
| 11:27.10 | jm_ | besides, it's also doable by setting the right dimensions in X server config file |
| 11:27.53 | Trackilizer | Erm... if you are talking to me, i simply have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 11:27.57 | [bman] | well. off to work I go.. :( |
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| 11:28.10 | [bman] | have a nice day kombi |
| 11:28.43 | Blackmicio | ah |
| 11:28.46 | kombi | bye bman! |
| 11:28.58 | chea1 | Trackilizer: jm_ is talking to [bman] |
| 11:29.15 | Trackilizer | I see. |
| 11:29.16 | [bman] | huh? |
| 11:29.21 | [bman] | oh |
| 11:29.23 | [bman] | :) |
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| 11:29.24 | Trackilizer | So, how do i solve my prob? |
| 11:29.24 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | an |
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| 11:29.50 | chea1 | Trackilizer: by forgetting about tasksel and using your finest package manager |
| 11:30.10 | [LON]FoxiMaxi | streuner: ok, I am back, I have xorg installed. |
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| 11:30.18 | chealer | s/forgetting about/not selecting the desktop environment task in/ |
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| 11:30.49 | chealer | there must be a new drug released |
| 11:30.58 | Trackilizer | Oh well guess not, thanks anyways. |
| 11:30.59 | Guerin | chealer: in your water? |
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| 11:31.09 | chealer | Guerin: the release team is discussing 200...6! |
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| 11:31.40 | jm_ | I was more talking to Blackmicio, not bman :) |
| 11:31.46 | chealer | "guess not"? |
| 11:31.49 | Guerin | chealer: that's a lot of water |
| 11:31.51 | chealer | ah ok |
| 11:32.06 | chealer | I wonder what that guess not means |
| 11:33.08 | mr_kreg | could a -P DROP on the INPUT table somehow effect how imap auth's logins? the INPUT table allows "ssh, www, smtp, imap2," |
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| 11:33.22 | jm_ | mr_kreg: well obviously if it gets dropped |
| 11:34.03 | mr_kreg | why not, ssh, www, smtp, and impa2 are all access able from a remote pc using telnet to poke with. |
| 11:34.04 | xelam | no they're not |
| 11:34.04 | xelam | oh wrong network/channel |
| 11:34.06 | Blackmicio | please jm_, can you chat with me in query window ? |
| 11:34.13 | jm_ | log blocked connections and it will make it easy to see if it gets blocked |
| 11:34.28 | jm_ | Blackmicio: no, plus I don't use gdm so I can't give you detailed information |
| 11:34.41 | Blackmicio | ah ok :) |
| 11:35.06 | mr_kreg | jm_, if you use a telnet client to see if the tcp service listening on any port is there, and you can talk to that tcp service, it's not being blocked. |
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| 11:35.38 | fireba11 | mr_kreg: one would certainly think so :-) |
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| 11:36.00 | mr_kreg | gawd, why is mail so hard to install........ |
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| 11:36.18 | mr_kreg | what magical doc are you people reading? |
| 11:36.19 | fireba11 | mr_kreg: it's actually pretty easy |
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| 11:36.40 | fireba11 | mr_kreg: usually takes about 5 minutes |
| 11:36.40 | jm_ | mr_kreg: as long as whatever other application is connecting to the same port, yes |
| 11:36.41 | mr_kreg | fireba11, i know it certainly should be. nothing else is this confusing. |
| 11:36.47 | poppor | jm_: it worked |
| 11:36.59 | mr_kreg | postfix + courier-imapd |
| 11:37.11 | mr_kreg | mta is working great |
| 11:37.16 | fireba11 | mr_kreg: now courier is a bitch :-) |
| 11:37.20 | mr_kreg | can't access mail in users dirs from imap clients |
| 11:37.21 | poppor | jm_: installation of sysvinit gave me the timeout message but after reboot debian started up ok |
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| 11:37.28 | jm_ | poppor: right |
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| 11:37.42 | mr_kreg | fireba11, i used to use uw-imapd, but it doesn't support maildir |
| 11:37.57 | fireba11 | mr_kreg: true, also it sucks |
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| 11:38.08 | mr_kreg | fireba11, are you liek a bot that just replys commentary? |
| 11:38.17 | mr_kreg | do you have any actual suggestsions for troubleshooting? |
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| 11:38.29 | fireba11 | mr_kreg: nope .. but maybe you got more luck with dovecot |
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| 11:38.52 | fireba11 | mr_kreg: my courier-fu is weak .. also i don't knwo what you did so far |
| 11:38.54 | SimonRaven | mr_kreg: take it out back and shoot it? |
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| 11:39.09 | SimonRaven | troubleshooting... |
| 11:39.24 | fireba11 | !uw-imap |
| 11:39.29 | fireba11 | !uw-imapd |
| 11:39.33 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 11:39.39 | SimonRaven | @shoot uw-imap |
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| 11:40.02 | SimonRaven | load it up with rock salt ;p |
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| 11:40.28 | mr_kreg | on the localhost, i can access all the mail in my user dir. but remotely from imap clients, they login, but don't show any mail. |
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| 11:40.36 | SimonRaven | lemme guess, s'more rima-tard bots... |
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| 11:41.19 | fireba11 | mr_kreg: so it either uses wrong folder or got no rights .. checked your logs for error messages ? |
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| 11:42.10 | SimonRaven | @ops 62.162.212.51 host repeated joins/quits, suspected spam bot |
| 11:42.11 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: 62.162.212.51 host repeated joins/quits, suspected spam bot |
| 11:42.32 | caphuso | SimonRaven: and you want is to do what about it? |
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| 11:42.40 | SimonRaven | ban it? |
| 11:42.45 | TML | hmmm...I do still belong on that list |
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| 11:42.51 | caphuso | SimonRaven: what's the point? |
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| 11:43.07 | subaqua | Hi! |
| 11:43.14 | jm_ | well the point would be they can't join again ;) |
| 11:43.16 | SimonRaven | hrm, maybe you're right. sorry for the bother |
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| 11:43.29 | SimonRaven | be better with a k-line |
| 11:43.42 | mr_kreg | fireba11, i have looked for obvious errors in /var/log mail.err .log and .info |
| 11:43.43 | subaqua | How can I redirect stderr in a shellscript to a variable? like VAR=; echo foo 2>&VAR |
| 11:43.45 | fireba11 | !uw-imap |
| 11:43.45 | dpkg | i guess uw-imap is the university of washington IMAP toolkit, see http://www.washington.edu/imap/, also it sucks |
| 11:43.47 | mr_kreg | i do not see any complaints |
| 11:43.47 | fireba11 | :-) |
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| 11:44.01 | mr_kreg | uw-imapd does not support maildir |
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| 11:44.12 | fireba11 | i know |
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| 11:44.23 | TML | It can |
| 11:44.24 | fireba11 | i just added the info about it since there was none |
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| 11:44.34 | caphuso | subaqua: by using the $(...) construct |
| 11:44.38 | mr_kreg | TML, ok but i don't really wanna recompile it |
| 11:44.47 | SimonRaven | 'also it sucks' is not info, it's opinion |
| 11:44.49 | fireba11 | TMLK you don't want the software, so why bother to build it with maildir support |
| 11:45.03 | TML | fireba11: Hmm? |
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| 11:45.12 | subaqua | @caphuso: aehm.. where substitute with $()? |
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| 11:45.28 | TML | fireba11: I don't want...which software? |
| 11:45.46 | caphuso | subaqua: drop that stupid @ in front of nicks, and speak proper english |
| 11:45.47 | fireba11 | SimonRaven: it sucks because it is stone old, no new version in sicht and close to not maintained |
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| 11:46.02 | fireba11 | TML: uw-imap |
| 11:46.11 | TML | fireba11: I use uw-imap |
| 11:46.13 | SimonRaven | fireba11: it's still opinion. and that's not only why it sucks ;) |
| 11:46.17 | aljuan5 | sftfd |
| 11:46.23 | mr_kreg | i used to use uw-imap + sendmail |
| 11:46.28 | TML | I still do |
| 11:46.49 | subaqua | caphuso: ok, where shall I use the $(...) construct? |
| 11:46.51 | fireba11 | TML only good about is it's easy to setup .. it's lacking most of the IMAP functionality, can't even do subfolders |
| 11:47.18 | TML | fireba11: um-imap does everything I need an IMAP server to do. |
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| 11:47.47 | caphuso | subaqua: something like VAR="$(whatevercommand 2>&1)" |
| 11:47.51 | fireba11 | TML then you don't want much :-) |
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| 11:48.12 | mr_kreg | thanks, going to bed |
| 11:48.21 | subaqua | ah, I see! |
| 11:48.42 | poppor | jm_: thanks for all help! |
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| 11:48.52 | TML | fireba11: I'm not sure what you mean by "can't even do subfolders", I have a deeply nested IMAP folder structure using uw-imap |
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| 11:49.11 | Guerin | i think he means doesn't do maildirs |
| 11:49.13 | fireba11 | TML you using maildir then right ? |
| 11:49.17 | TML | fireba11: No |
| 11:49.19 | Guerin | which is not the same as folders |
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| 11:49.35 | SimonRaven | !folder |
| 11:49.35 | dpkg | from memory, folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet, or what ya do before ya doer |
| 11:51.17 | fireba11 | "or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood" ?? |
| 11:51.30 | takatumi | folder doer doner |
| 11:51.42 | Yoe | fireba11: those are also Windows terms |
| 11:52.09 | fireba11 | Yoe: tell me .. i'm just wondering where dpkg got that in here .. ^^ |
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| 11:52.28 | Yoe | well, it does make sense... |
| 11:52.31 | subaqua | caphuso: var="$mount | grep 'dir/with/special\/characters' 2>&1)" does not give the expected exit-code. |
| 11:52.42 | jm_ | fireba11: I suppose someone was trying to say the term is used by Windows cluebies |
| 11:52.51 | fireba11 | *g* |
| 11:52.54 | subaqua | sorry, of course I meant var="$(...)" |
| 11:53.02 | TML | fireba11: Which imapd do you use? |
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| 11:53.27 | Guerin | i use courier, and it does what I need. |
| 11:53.43 | caphuso | subaqua: then you're probably expecting the wrong exit code |
| 11:54.00 | jm_ | and he probably meant mount 2>&1|grep |
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| 11:54.08 | TML | Guerin: Does courier still need an external authentication system, or have they ever implemented PAM support into the imapd? |
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| 11:54.24 | Guerin | TML: still has authdaemon, which is an utter bastard |
| 11:54.25 | fireba11 | TML at work i am still running UW-imap ... didn't find the time to move to maildir yet .. want to test dovecot soon |
| 11:54.29 | SimonRaven | pam is available IIRC |
| 11:54.34 | Guerin | but once it's set up, it works flawlessly |
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| 11:54.52 | SimonRaven | yeh, through authdaemon... |
| 11:54.55 | TML | Guerin: Just making sure things haven't changed. :) |
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| 11:55.15 | SimonRaven | i use cyrus. yes i'm insane |
| 11:55.17 | TML | Every once in a while, a package surprises me on something like that. |
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| 11:55.24 | fireba11 | SimonRaven: *h* |
| 11:55.45 | SimonRaven | using 2.2.x locally built as .debs |
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| 11:56.20 | TML | fireba11: So your "beef", such as it is, with uw-imapd, is the lack of maildir support? |
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| 11:57.53 | Guerin | TML: yeah ... so I have the following programs involved in mail authorisation and delivery: postfix, courier-imapd, saslauthd, courier-authdaemon, mysql, pam |
| 11:57.53 | fireba11 | TML not only .. the last release that was no bugfix is over a year old and nothing new planned .. also you can't set up server-side rules with uw-imap since it lacks support for that and a couple other IMAP features as to my knowledge |
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| 11:58.09 | Guerin | TML: that's both smtp and imap, but it's still more than should be necessary |
| 11:58.11 | fireba11 | Guerin: the more the merrier ^^ |
| 11:58.22 | Guerin | fireba11: i disagree most vehemently |
| 11:58.29 | Guerin | but it works, so I'm loath to break it |
| 11:58.30 | fireba11 | Guerin: was joking |
| 11:58.34 | SimonRaven | slapd, cyrus-imapd, exim4 |
| 11:58.37 | Guerin | fireba11: i figured. |
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| 11:58.56 | Guerin | SimonRaven: but slapd counts for any three of the aobvementioned :) |
| 11:59.12 | SimonRaven | hardly. it's the directory server daemon |
| 11:59.21 | TML | fireba11: I'm not aware of any major IMAP features uw-imapd doesn't support. I assume your comment about "server-side rules" is a reference to SIEVE, which isn't an IMAP standard. |
| 11:59.35 | SimonRaven | it is an RFC however |
| 11:59.41 | TML | Yes, it is |
| 11:59.50 | TML | And kudos to anyone who implements it |
| 11:59.53 | TML | Like gmail |
| 12:00.03 | SimonRaven | oh they use sieve? nice |
| 12:00.16 | TML | Well, if it's not actually sieve, it's very close |
| 12:00.34 | fireba11 | Guerin: want to test exim4 dovecot soon since zugschlus recommended it |
| 12:01.06 | Zugschlus | uw-imap is a pain, security-wise |
| 12:01.12 | Zugschlus | avoid at all cost |
| 12:01.21 | fireba11 | TML there we go ;-) |
| 12:01.26 | TML | fireba11: But you're right, there isn't a lot of innovation in uw-imapd. That's one of the things I like about it. It's one of the things I like about debian, as well. When it comes to my computers, change is bad unless there's a security issue. |
| 12:01.29 | fireba11 | hi Zugschlus .. did i wake you up ? :-) |
| 12:01.36 | Zugschlus | fireba11: you hilighted. |
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| 12:01.48 | SimonRaven | i stopped using courier because of a) authdaemon b) ldap support is splotchy |
| 12:01.51 | TML | Zugschlus: What are some of the security issues with uw-imap? |
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| 12:01.55 | Guerin | uw-imapd doesn't do maildir. I just don't like mbox. |
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| 12:02.04 | Zugschlus | TML: the upstrem authors are. |
| 12:02.16 | TML | are what? |
| 12:02.18 | Guerin | uw-* doesn't exactly have a fabulous rep |
| 12:02.23 | Zugschlus | the security problem |
| 12:02.27 | TML | *blink* |
| 12:02.29 | kurtak | Hello all - i have src code for an app that i want to check out and it says i need opengl before installing this. do you know what package this would be? |
| 12:02.32 | Guerin | or wu-*, as you like |
| 12:02.33 | Zugschlus | TML: An upstream author claiming "we won't issue a security update for that bug, it is only a remote user shell, not remote root" |
| 12:02.44 | Zugschlus | is a security problem |
| 12:02.47 | fireba11 | Guerin: my freind got every mail he got in the last 3 years archived .. about 4 gigs now .. don't want to know how slow that would be with mbox |
| 12:02.53 | SimonRaven | ho-ly... |
| 12:02.59 | kurtak | apt-cache search opengl gives me a list of lots of packages, but nothing obvious for just opengl |
| 12:03.00 | Zugschlus | (ok, that was years ago, but I have a good memory when it comes to that stuff) |
| 12:03.16 | Guerin | fireba11: if he ever reads 1% of those mails again I will eat my bicycle |
| 12:03.44 | Guerin | !wayttd kurtak |
| 12:03.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, kurtak? |
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| 12:04.10 | kurtak | dpkg, Guerin: i want to install an app. from source |
| 12:04.11 | fireba11 | Guerin: true .. ah well there are guys that eat bicycles you know ;-) |
| 12:04.12 | Guerin | kurtak: trying to build this app, or install it? |
| 12:04.22 | kurtak | Guerin: both |
| 12:04.25 | Guerin | kurtak: ok, so you need both the -dev and the regular libs |
| 12:04.25 | sylvisj | Anyone mind helping me install my sound card? |
| 12:04.28 | Guerin | kurtak: yeah |
| 12:04.49 | Guerin | kurtak: ./configure it, and see what it fails on - use apt-file or similar to find the libs it needs |
| 12:04.51 | kurtak | Guerin: but what regular and dev packages? |
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| 12:05.04 | kurtak | Guerin: okay, i guess i could try that |
| 12:05.13 | sylvisj | I've got a SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 and get no sound under KDE. |
| 12:05.16 | Guerin | kurtak: regular libs are what you need to run a program - dev libs are what you need to build it |
| 12:05.24 | Hali_303 | hello! I need to install debian on a compaq AP400 workstation, however, the debian 3.0.0 image I have gives a kernel panic |
| 12:05.25 | alexkln | fireba11, 4 gigs of mail, he probably work on FBI to store all this :) |
| 12:05.35 | chealer | sylvisj: only in KDE? |
| 12:05.36 | Hali_303 | (the image is based on 2.4.18) |
| 12:05.39 | davide | sylvisj, try alsaconf tool |
| 12:05.46 | Guerin | !tell Hali_303 about install debian |
| 12:05.56 | chealer | Hali_303: did you really mean to get 3.0? |
| 12:05.57 | sylvisj | THx davide. Chealer, no sound at all. |
| 12:06.31 | davide | sylvisj, have u installed alsa drivers? |
| 12:06.34 | chealer | sylvisj: even with $ cat /dev/urandom > dev/dsp ? |
| 12:06.46 | Hali_303 | chealer: yes |
| 12:07.02 | sylvisj | Davide, yes. Cofiguring ALSA now. |
| 12:07.12 | Hali_303 | maybe I should try it with a newer image, which has a newer kernel on it? |
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| 12:07.33 | SimonRaven | um, maybe you should fetch current stable ;) |
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| 12:07.38 | chealer | Hali_303: ...like the stable release? |
| 12:08.05 | Hali_303 | what kernel does that have? |
| 12:08.20 | sylvisj | Am I going to need to reboot for the config to take effect? |
| 12:08.30 | chealer | Hali_303: 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 12:08.47 | davide | i don' t know sylvisj try to reboot |
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| 12:09.51 | NachoLugli | hy |
| 12:09.58 | Hali_303 | chealer: hm sounds good. what is the exact name of that? |
| 12:09.59 | NachoLugli | i have a problem with server x |
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| 12:12.18 | chealer | Hali_303: the stable release? sarge (3.1) |
| 12:12.29 | Hali_303 | chealer, ok thx! |
| 12:12.51 | davide | i have a prob with usb pen, to make appear /dev/sda1 i must reboot the pc, only rebooting the pc i can use pendrive |
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| 12:13.56 | meff | davide: sarge, etch, sid? new udev? hotplug scripts? |
| 12:14.30 | davide | sarge 3.1, udev, kernel 2.6.8-2 |
| 12:14.32 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 12:14.34 | liable | davide: did you checj what dmesg said about it after plugging it in? is it sdb after the first time? |
| 12:14.47 | meff | davide: do you have hotplug installed? apt-get install hotplug |
| 12:14.55 | davide | dmesg does not say nothng |
| 12:15.02 | davide | yes hotplug is installed |
| 12:15.09 | Daffy-PKF | do i need a tty1 if i always connect my box by ssh? |
| 12:15.15 | davide | because with the cdrom i don' t have problems |
| 12:15.18 | meff | davide: what happens if you plug it in and do /etc/init.d/hotplug restart ? |
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| 12:15.31 | davide | nothing |
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| 12:15.51 | davide | it loads all the modules but the sda1 doesn' t appear |
| 12:16.44 | meff | davide: so.. you plug it in, hotplug recognizes and loads sd-* scsi modules.. ? |
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| 12:17.12 | davide | mmm i think so |
| 12:17.34 | meff | davide: try modprobe'ing the scsi disk module after hotplug finds it |
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| 12:17.51 | davide | i' ve tryed but nothing appens |
| 12:18.03 | davide | it does the same thing whit the floppy |
| 12:18.17 | meff | davide: what does dmesg say when it finds it? can you post it somewhere.. not here though :) |
| 12:18.45 | davide | dmesg doesn' t find it |
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| 12:18.59 | meff | 07:15:53 <davide> it loads all the modules but the sda1 doesn' t appear |
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| 12:19.07 | davide | nor systool -vb | grep usb |
| 12:19.24 | meff | davide: how about lsusb? |
| 12:19.37 | davide | mm... i didn' try that |
| 12:19.40 | Daffy-PKF | do i need to create any tty in /etc/inittab if i always connect to my box by ssh? |
| 12:19.51 | davide | i' back in few minutes to try it |
| 12:19.56 | meff | k |
| 12:20.14 | davide | thanks a lot meff you where very kind |
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| 12:20.45 | meff | np |
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| 12:20.54 | jm_ | Daffy-PKF: do you know what tty entries are used for? |
| 12:20.59 | ircops | argh... damn httptunnelling |
| 12:21.00 | ircops | :( |
| 12:21.10 | davide | nothing.. it sees only the wireles keyboard |
| 12:21.26 | meff | hmm davide and you're running a debian kernel right? |
| 12:21.55 | davide | i think so.. i recompiled it with usb supports |
| 12:22.08 | liable | ... |
| 12:22.14 | meff | the base kernel supports usb, davide |
| 12:22.30 | davide | mmm i think so.. |
| 12:22.30 | Zenox | Software Raid -> I've done one big partition on each harddrive (2 units) and marked them as "use for RAID" when installing Debian.. Then I try to make partitions on the RAID unit that appears, but the swap partition is not created - I get the error "This probably happened because there are too mant primary partitions in the partition table". Anyone know anything about this problem? |
| 12:22.37 | davide | i don' t remember well |
| 12:22.38 | meff | looks like you missed some modules |
| 12:22.46 | davide | mmm |
| 12:22.53 | davide | maybe.. |
| 12:22.54 | meff | you need scsi disk support, etc.. for usb drives |
| 12:22.59 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> as far as i know, getty is the program that create a console and starts login on it... am i right? |
| 12:23.10 | davis | hello |
| 12:23.31 | davide | meff i compiled all the modules |
| 12:23.36 | SimonRaven | init > getty > login > login shell |
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| 12:23.46 | meff | davide: reboot on a debian kernel, check out lsusb and restart hotplug and see if these things work.. and yes, i am sure sarge supports usb. |
| 12:24.01 | SimonRaven | getty spawns login, which gets replaced by it |
| 12:24.14 | meff | davide: well, its easier if you try a debian kernel first, so i dont have to read thru your whole .config ;) |
| 12:24.17 | jm_ | Daffy-PKF: right, so it may come in handy when you'll doing some local administration |
| 12:24.21 | jm_ | be* |
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| 12:24.26 | davide | i' m alredy on a debian kernel |
| 12:24.34 | meff | you said you recompiled it, davide |
| 12:25.03 | davide | yes but i download from apt-get, i think is the kernel whith debian patches |
| 12:25.09 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> i don't even have a keyboard or a screen on that box... is there really a use for a tty? |
| 12:25.11 | davide | isn' t it? |
| 12:25.27 | meff | davide: that'd be a custom build kernel w/ debian patches.. not a debian kernel ;) |
| 12:25.48 | davide | ok |
| 12:25.50 | jm_ | Daffy-PKF: well you might have a need to attach it someday, and then you'll end up with no getty - up to you really |
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| 12:26.00 | ircops | hey where's a good site to get ultrafast inexpensive high-disk-quota shells? |
| 12:26.12 | davide | but the problem were also whith original kernel |
| 12:26.19 | meff | davide: i just want to make sure you didnt miss anything.. the stock kernel should support usb drives fine... |
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| 12:26.23 | meff | hmm |
| 12:26.24 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> ok, so i should keep at least one of them, just in case |
| 12:26.31 | jm_ | Daffy-PKF: right |
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| 12:27.00 | meff | davide: so.. what does it say on your dmesg log when you reboot and it finds it? |
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| 12:27.03 | Daffy-PKF | jm_> thanks |
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| 12:27.59 | romany | I never used VLM (actually I am trying to cross the river from FreeBSD). Is it a good idea to use VLM on web/mail server that I plan to collocate with an ISP? |
| 12:28.06 | meff | davide: this sounds like a classic prob of compiling in something that should be modular for usb.. because when you boot up, the driver is in the kernel.. but if you hotplug it, the driver is in the kernel so it can't reinitialize it.. see? |
| 12:28.20 | davide | loads all scsi, usb supports |
| 12:28.34 | davide | and also says keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 255 |
| 12:29.10 | meff | davide: make double sure your usb disk supports are modules, not <*> |
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| 12:29.38 | davide | wait.. i found something doing dmesg |
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| 12:30.03 | davide | Current sda: sense key No Sense \ Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 16001 |
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| 12:30.18 | davide | this one says about the sda |
| 12:30.47 | meff | well, thats not good :) |
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| 12:31.06 | davide | i know |
| 12:31.10 | davide | i can immagine |
| 12:31.13 | meff | but it works on a reboot? |
| 12:31.14 | davide | -.- |
| 12:31.20 | davide | yes, |
| 12:31.25 | adimex | awesome! IRC Debian Channel =) |
| 12:31.26 | davide | it works perfectly |
| 12:31.35 | davide | it is mounted automatically |
| 12:31.38 | meff | shot in the dark.. you try updating your bios? may be usb-buggy |
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| 12:32.17 | davide | i don' t think it depends on the bios because whith mandrake 10.1 it worked |
| 12:32.29 | adimex | What's the prob? |
| 12:32.35 | meff | certain dists have diff workarounds |
| 12:32.44 | meff | just a guess |
| 12:33.10 | meff | if you have everything built properly.. im not sure whaat to say.. that error isnt very descriptive of the usb-side of what's going on |
| 12:33.30 | kurtak | Guerin: right..... i was able to compile and install w/o any problems |
| 12:33.34 | jm_ | there's an option to enable USB debugging in kernel |
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| 12:33.42 | kurtak | Guerin: thanks! |
| 12:33.52 | Langly1 | I think sarge isnt running my IDE controller right, took 2 hours to scan the cd then after 5 hours after that was only 17% with fetching the main files |
| 12:33.57 | Langly1 | thats just rediculus |
| 12:34.08 | meff | Langly1: dma enabled? |
| 12:34.08 | davide | meff i' ll try to recompile better my kernel... |
| 12:34.41 | davide | yes dma is enabled but i can enable it for sda, i can enable only for cdrom |
| 12:34.46 | meff | Langly1: does it read other cds okay? |
| 12:34.48 | Langly1 | meff stupid bugger never took me to command line, and after it was running it was to late ctrl+alt+Fkey wasnt workin |
| 12:34.48 | davide | _) |
| 12:34.55 | davide | yes |
| 12:35.01 | Langly1 | meff yeah, and that cd worked fine on another system |
| 12:35.05 | davide | cds work perfectly |
| 12:35.08 | Langly1 | and I had net install |
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| 12:35.31 | davide | o |
| 12:35.36 | meff | Langly1: weird.. hop to F2 or F3 cant remember, and do a dmesg to check for errors |
| 12:36.04 | Langly1 | I had to reboot, and not taking 2 hours to scan the cd before it boots up again |
| 12:36.16 | meff | hehe |
| 12:36.19 | meff | i understand |
| 12:36.31 | meff | does the drive work fine in "other" os' ? |
| 12:36.34 | Langly1 | motherboard is an ASUS P4P800-E |
| 12:36.43 | Langly1 | any issues with that? |
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| 12:37.11 | meff | dunno i dont have a mobo encyclopedia in my brain :) |
| 12:37.18 | adimex | i had trouble with an extern usb drive in debian... i can tell you how i fixed it... |
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| 12:38.01 | meff | Langly1: do you hear your drive spin up/down alot or anything? |
| 12:38.09 | davide | thanks meff i will u know if i resolve the prob.. bye |
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| 12:38.15 | meff | yup |
| 12:38.22 | zulkifar | Hi. I need a tool to get statistics of tcp traffic: avg/max/min size of a packet and amt of packets per seconds? |
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| 12:38.36 | meff | hmm, zulkifar iptraf? |
| 12:38.47 | Langly1 | what does amt mean? |
| 12:38.52 | adimex | amount |
| 12:39.05 | Langly1 | thats what i thought :P |
| 12:39.17 | Langly1 | Brain dead |
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| 12:39.25 | meff | zulkifar: iptraf will tell you this.. |
| 12:39.26 | error403 | zulkifar, tried Ethereal? |
| 12:39.33 | Langly1 | 5 am after 7 hours of watching my pc do stone age speeds trying to install debian |
| 12:39.41 | EtherNet_Work | hello , I am having a trouble when shuting down or rebooting, it says /usr device busy.. and freeze on there.... |
| 12:39.48 | zulkifar | error403: has Ethereal statistical capabilities? |
| 12:40.19 | error403 | zulkifar, i think so - I know it has quite a few statistics, I havent looked for the ones you are after, but its worth a try |
| 12:40.42 | meff | yawn |
| 12:40.43 | error403 | its quite configurable |
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| 12:40.57 | adimex | Langly1: I had a fast PC with a crap CD-Rom... Took for ever... If that's your prob, then swap it or something. |
| 12:41.02 | zulkifar | error403: yeah, I would prefer a tool which uses tcpdump since its powerfull enough to fillter out traffic which I want to measure |
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| 12:41.52 | error403 | zulkifar, i'm not certain what it uses... |
| 12:42.00 | zulkifar | error403: tcpdump ;) |
| 12:42.03 | error403 | I've only used it, not dissected it |
| 12:42.10 | error403 | :P |
| 12:42.11 | error403 | ok |
| 12:42.14 | jm_ | ethereal has more poweful filtering than tcpdump |
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| 12:42.31 | jm_ | and they both use libpcap anyway |
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| 12:42.37 | dawg | that's only display filtering |
| 12:42.39 | dawg | capture filters are exactly the same |
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| 12:43.05 | jm_ | really? I always use just display filtering, never noticed that |
| 12:43.10 | Zenox | should i just make the first harddrive bootable, or both? when doing a software raid1 (mirror) |
| 12:43.10 | jm_ | in ethereal that is |
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| 12:44.01 | dawg | jm_, yep, libpcap does the capture filtering for both |
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| 12:45.01 | fireba11 | now i need a command .. maybe soemone can help me .. i need the size of every dir in a folder .. for each total size with all subdirs, someone know how to get that ? can't find it |
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| 12:45.05 | ndee | hey there, I'm an admin for 3 linux servers. Now, I want a backup solution, would it make sense to get a 4th server, just for backup purposes? |
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| 12:45.35 | jm_ | dawg: yup, just tried it and it's indeed the same (yeah pcap is nice because it offers this, used it in my own tool) |
| 12:45.44 | error403 | ndee, i think it would make sense to back up each server to every other server |
| 12:45.49 | bbrazil | fireba11: du -sh * |
| 12:45.52 | Yoe | ndee: depends on your requirements and on what the servers already do |
| 12:46.03 | error403 | ndee, tar it and FTP it to another server |
| 12:46.05 | fireba11 | bbrazil: thanks a lot |
| 12:46.17 | meff | rsync is your friend |
| 12:46.22 | ndee | the servers don't get alot of traffic during the night, so I could do the backups then. But isn't it a little bit "messy" to do so? |
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| 12:46.37 | Yoe | ndee: not really. it's cheap, though. |
| 12:46.50 | Yoe | ndee: at least not as long as you remember to also do off-site backups etc |
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| 12:46.56 | _gass_ | hello ppl |
| 12:47.09 | error403 | exactly - why have a whole new server when you already have others oyou could back up to? |
| 12:47.17 | ziom | jo bros:) |
| 12:47.31 | ndee | I can't really do off-site backups, because they are at the hoster and yeah, 1gb is alot to move "offsite" |
| 12:47.33 | _gass_ | i want to increase the refresh rate in gnome, but gnome does not allow me to do that. I have only 60Hz and i wanted 75 or 85 at least |
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| 12:47.42 | _gass_ | in xorg.conf i have |
| 12:47.52 | ndee | error403: that it won't get too messy. |
| 12:47.53 | _gass_ | Section "Monitor" |
| 12:47.55 | _gass_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.55 | _gass_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.55 | _gass_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.55 | _gass_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:48.00 | ziom | is usuing Initng safe for sid? |
| 12:48.04 | meff | 1gb? thats chump change to offsite backup :) |
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| 12:48.14 | ziom | i want make booting my box little faster.. |
| 12:48.19 | ndee | meff: ;) |
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| 12:48.50 | EtherNet_Work | hello , I am having a trouble when shuting down or rebooting, it says /usr device busy.. and freeze on there.... any idea please? |
| 12:48.52 | ziom | because it loads 2min... and windows makes it in 30sec really annoying.. :( |
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| 12:49.19 | meff | ziom: you'll in the end save time by not rebooting everytime you install a driver or program ;) |
| 12:49.37 | ndee | with an additional server, we would have everything "central", so to speak. |
| 12:49.38 | snail | EtherNet_Work: are you running stable or unstable? |
| 12:49.38 | ziom | meff: I know |
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| 12:49.47 | EtherNet_Work | snail, stable |
| 12:49.55 | meff | ndee: and yes, having things 'central' for backups != good :) |
| 12:50.01 | snail | EtherNet_Work: have you changed or updated your kernel since the install? |
| 12:50.02 | meff | ndee: you wanna spread out backups |
| 12:50.28 | ziom | meff: I m not rebooting i m dont 24 on the box.. i sometimes have to switch it on... |
| 12:50.30 | snail | EtherNet_Work: has it just started doing this or has it always done it? |
| 12:50.32 | EtherNet_Work | snail, it's not my own machine so I can ensure that, but I think it wasn't touched |
| 12:50.37 | EtherNet_Work | snail, started |
| 12:50.55 | ndee | meff: hm |
| 12:51.07 | ziom | meff: i m not sure installing initng because i dont trust him |
| 12:51.09 | SimonRaven | ziom: initng is still pretty immature. you have to write most of the init scripts yourself |
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| 12:51.23 | ziom | meff: i dont also trust configure-base |
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| 12:51.37 | meff | ndee: if you distro it between the three, you'll still have a recovery solution if say.. one of the boxes dies and the backup 'central' server dies alongside.. you'd have 2 other boxes with the backup :) |
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| 12:52.05 | snail | EtherNet_Work: is /usr a local standard hard disk? or mounted over the network? |
| 12:52.06 | ziom | meff: i installed the printer server via configure-base, after rebooting grub couldnt find the bootdevice... |
| 12:52.10 | ndee | meff: that's true. Hmm.... alright, gonna do it like that :) |
| 12:52.15 | EtherNet_Work | snail, lemme check |
| 12:52.22 | ziom | meff: dont trust anyone |
| 12:52.33 | meff | ndee: read up on rsync .. it'll help you here. |
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| 12:53.05 | ziom | so does anyone use inintng? i dont want to be the experimental sheep for sid..:( |
| 12:53.07 | ndee | meff: used rsync before, so that shouldn't be a problem :) I have two cronjobs for each job. Cronjob on Server A to rsync it, and Cronjob on Server B to zip it :) |
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| 12:53.18 | _gass_ | back |
| 12:53.27 | coywolf | how to start/stop service ? (not /etc/init.d/foo) |
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| 12:53.46 | ziom | coywolf: /etc/init.d/foo stop |
| 12:53.47 | dimir | kill -KILL it |
| 12:53.49 | ziom | coywolf: /etc/init.d/foo start |
| 12:54.09 | EtherNet_Work | snail, local disk |
| 12:54.09 | ziom | coywolf: or /etc/init.d/foo restart |
| 12:54.10 | dimir | I thought he said 'not'. |
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| 12:54.17 | coywolf | ziom, yep, what't the other way, not /etc/init.d/* |
| 12:54.30 | SimonRaven | ziom: i tried it - was rather, um, interesting and freaky |
| 12:54.37 | pureone | killall -9 `pidof foo` |
| 12:54.39 | dimir | coywolf: you can kill the process and start the daemon manually. |
| 12:54.45 | coywolf | dimir, ziom like in redhat, there's service |
| 12:54.45 | ziom | coywolf: what is foo btw? |
| 12:54.46 | snail | EtherNet_Work: you need to look in the system logs for errors related to that disk, and/or fsck it. You may have to boot from a knoppix or similar to fsck it |
| 12:54.53 | dimir | or just 'pkill <name>' |
| 12:54.59 | SimonRaven | um, don't use -KILL |
| 12:55.09 | coywolf | dimir, ziom like in redhat, there's `service foo start' |
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| 12:55.18 | dimir | coywolf: there is no such thing on Debian. |
| 12:55.23 | jm_ | sure there is |
| 12:55.27 | jm_ | man invoke-rc.d |
| 12:55.30 | SimonRaven | try -2 first. also you might need to wait - they don't always die immediately |
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| 12:55.33 | ziom | coywolf: whas foo fot? foo means UFO... |
| 12:55.33 | coywolf | dimir, so in debian we all do /etc/init.d/* ? |
| 12:55.42 | ziom | *for |
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| 12:55.49 | dimir | invoke-rc.d? every day there is something new. |
| 12:55.54 | ufoalien | ziom: wtf? |
| 12:56.04 | pureone | hehe |
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| 12:56.06 | dimir | coywolf: check what' jm_ proposed. |
| 12:56.07 | ziom | ufoalien: not u |
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| 12:56.11 | ziom | ufoalien: I mean foo |
| 12:56.13 | EtherNet_Work | snail, I will try that, thank you so much for your wasted time. |
| 12:56.14 | ziom | ufoalien: I mean foo means UFO |
| 12:56.16 | SimonRaven | !u |
| 12:56.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:56.17 | dimir | coywolf: invoke-rc.d |
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| 12:56.24 | pureone | !foo |
| 12:56.24 | dpkg | well, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/foo.html> and <bar> |
| 12:56.35 | ufoalien | ziom: ok, but not ufoalien!!! |
| 12:56.37 | coywolf | dimir, how did you find it? |
| 12:56.41 | ziom | $unount bot(dpkg ) |
| 12:56.49 | dimir | coywolf: sorry? |
| 12:57.00 | ziom | ufoalien: I said ufo not ufoalien -.- |
| 12:57.02 | coywolf | dimir, how did you find out invoke-rc.d? |
| 12:57.33 | ziom | ok does somebody run this damn initng?? |
| 12:57.36 | coywolf | dimir, invoke-rc.d is what i am looking for, how did you find it? |
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| 12:57.55 | ziom | and where is the .xsession file btw? |
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| 12:58.08 | ziom | cant find it on my box |
| 12:58.28 | thespiritoftal | I have a deb file how can i run it? |
| 12:58.32 | error403 | ziom, tried 'locate' ? |
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| 12:58.46 | error403 | ziom, should be in /etc/X11/ |
| 12:58.53 | ziom | error403: ok |
| 12:59.07 | pureone | thespiritoftal: man dpkg |
| 12:59.18 | ziom | error403: but i stored there pr0n ^^ |
| 12:59.27 | dimir | coywolf: scroll up, jm_ proposed it. |
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| 12:59.40 | coywolf | dimir, ah |
| 12:59.45 | coywolf | jm_, how did you find it? |
| 12:59.54 | dimir | coywolf: I never used it, I'm quite happy with /etc/init.d/-style. |
| 12:59.58 | error403 | ziom, you stored pr0n in your /etc/X11 directory? |
| 13:00.10 | ziom | error403: kidding |
| 13:00.18 | error403 | hehe |
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| 13:00.29 | ziom | error403: but in X11 is no .xsession file |
| 13:00.37 | ziom | error403: just the damn xorg |
| 13:00.37 | alexkln | are there any ways for iptables to close established tcp connections after some period of inactivity |
| 13:00.51 | coywolf | jm_, how did you find it? (invoke-rc.d) |
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| 13:01.04 | coywolf | dimir, /etc/ -style is ugly |
| 13:01.10 | jm_ | coywolf: i has been mentioned here a gazillion times, and is also in the same package as update-rc.d |
| 13:01.14 | ziom | error403: what means error403 btw? |
| 13:01.20 | dimir | coywolf: that's what you think. |
| 13:01.53 | error403 | ziom, 403 is a HTTP status code for "Access Denied" or "Forbidden" |
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| 13:02.21 | error403 | ziom, you looking for .xsession or just xsession? |
| 13:02.38 | dimir | coywolf: you really think I care what you think? You won't find much "pretty" things in Debian, in the meaning if nice GUI, not good and robust functionality. If you want such thing - stich with RedCap. |
| 13:02.57 | ziom | error: i look .xsession and .Xsession in /etc/ no result i m on sid |
| 13:02.57 | dimir | s/meaning if/meaning of/ |
| 13:03.09 | dimir | s/stich/stick/ |
| 13:03.28 | coywolf | dimir, what's redcap? |
| 13:03.37 | dimir | coywolf: cap=hhat |
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| 13:03.50 | coywolf | dimir, lol |
| 13:03.57 | rutski89 | Whats the best way to generate true random numbers? |
| 13:04.08 | ziom | dimir: i had once error loading my box: loading dimir failed! and i could do nothing then (main partition was full) what u look on my box? |
| 13:04.15 | coywolf | dimir, i'd try slackware |
| 13:04.16 | rutski89 | read from /dev/randcom? |
| 13:04.24 | wobbler | ziom: should be ~/.xsession in your home dir if not make one |
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| 13:04.32 | error403 | ziom, why with the dot? I have it without a dot, when i use 'locate', but not with a dot... |
| 13:04.45 | snail | rutski89: in a deterministic university there aren't any truely random numbers? |
| 13:04.50 | ziom | error: ok |
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| 13:04.57 | wobbler | its a hidden file |
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| 13:05.09 | snail | rutski89: it largely depends on what you're using them for |
| 13:05.15 | error403 | wobbler, yes, i know that... but what IS the .xsession file? |
| 13:05.20 | ziom | wobbler & error: so what? xsession or .xsession? |
| 13:05.42 | snail | error403: it's run when you login graphiscall |
| 13:05.48 | wobbler | thats what stores your default session info |
| 13:05.50 | snail | error403: it's run when you login graphically even |
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| 13:05.57 | error403 | snail, i see |
| 13:06.20 | error403 | so is xsession supposed to be $HOME/.xsession ? |
| 13:06.29 | wobbler | yup |
| 13:06.32 | error403 | right |
| 13:06.38 | error403 | I dont have one of those either... |
| 13:06.56 | ziom | wobbler: in roots home or users home? |
| 13:07.06 | wobbler | users |
| 13:07.17 | error403 | wobbler, why would i NOT have one of those>/ |
| 13:07.23 | ziom | wobbler: i have .xsession-error |
| 13:07.30 | ziom | wobbler: but no .xession |
| 13:07.30 | error403 | ziom, same here |
| 13:07.38 | rutski89 | snail: Well, I'd like to see if there is a corrilation between the statics that "if a number hasn't come up in a while, it is more likely too" and "NO! A number always has a 1/10 chance of comming up NO MATTER WHAT THEY PAST RESULTS" |
| 13:07.52 | wobbler | because you dont use it possibly with kde or gnome with gdm |
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| 13:08.08 | ziom | rustski: sounds plousible |
| 13:08.10 | rutski89 | snail: I figure just testing it ou in a computer program would be the best way, but I'd like to get the highest quality randomness possible |
| 13:08.11 | error403 | wobbler, i see |
| 13:08.19 | snail | rutski89: ask in #crypto. they have a great deal of experiance generating numbers as random as computer can make them |
| 13:08.28 | rutski89 | snail: cool, thanks |
| 13:08.29 | ziom | wobbler: does it run with kdm? |
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| 13:08.48 | error403 | wobbler, just an xdm thing? |
| 13:08.54 | wobbler | it can if you use the default session |
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| 13:09.26 | ziom | wobbler: when default session is kde it will read the .xsesssion file? |
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| 13:09.46 | ziom | wobbler: I just want start jackd when X -starts |
| 13:10.07 | ziom | wobbler: to have sound also for kde |
| 13:10.25 | djp | hi. i want to install debian on my system. i wish to keep win 98 for emulation and gaming. my drive is 80gb in size. would 4gb be good enough for a desktop install of debian 3.1 sarge? |
| 13:10.42 | wobbler | sorry i dont use kde |
| 13:10.42 | ziom | wobbler: so i create a new .xsession file and write there the command yep? |
| 13:10.51 | djp | sorry, 2gb. i will use another 80gb drive for my home directory by the way. |
| 13:11.09 | jm_ | djp: depends on what you plan to install, 2G is a bit on the short side |
| 13:11.13 | error403 | djp, would be stretching it i think... |
| 13:11.24 | ziom | dpj: good idea |
| 13:11.40 | djp | i will use another drive for the home directory. |
| 13:11.57 | error403 | djp, why not just partition the second drive? |
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| 13:12.01 | ziom | error & dpj & jm & wobbler: do any of u use initng? |
| 13:12.09 | jm_ | ziom: no, I use Sarge |
| 13:12.17 | error403 | ziom, nope ... |
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| 13:12.31 | ziom | jm: its not a distro its a package for booting |
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| 13:12.36 | error403 | ziom, initng a startup stats thing? |
| 13:12.52 | ziom | error: yes it starts all parralel |
| 13:12.52 | jm_ | ziom: I know what it is, but the point is it's not available in Sarge |
| 13:13.00 | djp | error403, i wanted to keep my home directory seperate from the os, in case i ever needed to reinstall. |
| 13:13.06 | ziom | error: http://initng.thinktux.net/index.php/Main_Page |
| 13:13.14 | ziom | jm: upgrade to sid |
| 13:13.18 | error403 | djp, you can still do that with a partitioned drive... |
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| 13:13.49 | ziom | jm: change your sources.list to the unstables and then run apt-get update , apt-get dist-upgrage;) |
| 13:14.07 | djp | error403. my second drive is currently holding my home directory. it is formatted as ext3. i have not been able to resize it. |
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| 13:14.17 | ziom | jm: sarge restricts your human rights |
| 13:14.18 | error403 | ah, i see |
| 13:14.34 | ziom | jm: it does not allow you install some deb packages... |
| 13:14.44 | jm_ | ziom: no thanks, I'll use it after it will be well tested by people like you heh |
| 13:15.02 | error403 | djp, why not resize your windows partition to give you a little more breathing room? |
| 13:15.03 | w3rdn4 | ok I have m0n0wall setup sot hat I am running a server on an internal ip address which broadcasts out to the WAN, and I want to have someone be able to log onto my server how would I do that? |
| 13:15.04 | ziom | jm: it will be always in development |
| 13:15.09 | jm_ | ziom: no doubt |
| 13:15.14 | ziom | jm: sid = still in development |
| 13:15.23 | jm_ | ziom: I meant initng obviously |
| 13:15.36 | djp | so what would a recommended partition size be for a debian desktop install? i don't plan on using much more than the standard programs that get installed under debian 3.1 (desktop). |
| 13:15.55 | error403 | djp, 4gb, min, IMO |
| 13:15.57 | ziom | jm: but see: if it is in development they improve it, your sarge does no one develop |
| 13:16.10 | djp | error403, thanks. |
| 13:16.12 | jm_ | ziom: I couldn't care less, it works fine for me |
| 13:16.23 | error403 | djp, you have to remember - your root drive will also have /tmp and /var on it... |
| 13:16.25 | ziom | jm: ok |
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| 13:16.47 | djp | error403, sure. |
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| 13:17.09 | error403 | djp, how much ram does this machine have? |
| 13:17.16 | djp | error403, 512mb |
| 13:17.40 | error403 | djp, ok, you shouldnt need to worry about a swap partition then |
| 13:17.54 | error403 | i have 1GB , and i never touch the swap, or any more than 300MB |
| 13:18.38 | djp | maybe i should give debian 5gb then. that should be adequate for the desktop install. |
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| 13:19.22 | ziom | OMFG: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 102 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 13:19.43 | ziom | i used the command the initng guys wrote ^^ |
| 13:20.09 | ziom | aptitude install initng |
| 13:20.17 | ziom | why aptitude not apt-get? |
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| 13:21.23 | CosmoDad | trying to use IEEE1394 drivers under 2.6 with udev. The /dev entries are not created automatically. If I add them manually, however they don't survive a reboot. Any solution apart from writing a script to this issue? |
| 13:21.52 | ziom | cosmoDAD: added them in fastab? |
| 13:22.05 | ziom | cosmoDAD: fstab* |
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| 13:22.23 | CosmoDad | ziom: adding /dev entries to fstab? |
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| 13:22.42 | CosmoDad | ziom: you sure that works? |
| 13:22.46 | ziom | cosmodad: do vi /etc/fstab as root |
| 13:22.55 | ziom | cosmodad: and look whats there;) |
| 13:23.15 | CosmoDad | ziom: quite a bunch, what do you expect for my problem to be there? |
| 13:23.21 | CosmoDad | ziom: something udev related? |
| 13:23.41 | ziom | cosmodad: when partitins not in fstab they do not mount at booting |
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| 13:23.42 | CosmoDad | ziom: I've got proc, cdrom, floppy, and some ntfs/ext3 entries |
| 13:23.43 | fireba11 | djp what did you remove ? kde ? :-9 |
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| 13:24.08 | ziom | cosmodad: thats the partions you have by default |
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| 13:24.18 | CosmoDad | ziom: what does that have to do with missing /dev entries? |
| 13:24.21 | Madmax | guys, how can i give my linux box a network name, so i dont need to write the ip in the browser but for example "linuxbox" |
| 13:24.31 | jm_ | madclicker: /etc/hosts |
| 13:24.34 | jm_ | Madmax ^^^^^^^ |
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| 13:24.39 | ziom | cosmodad: you want mount a partion/ a drive yes? |
| 13:24.45 | CosmoDad | ziom: no |
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| 13:24.53 | ziom | cosmodad: so what? |
| 13:25.02 | Pfated | Uhm... ziom's advice is completely wrong. CosmoDad, I'm not sure how I can help you, as I'm not familiar with your issue, but his advice is incorrect. |
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| 13:25.34 | ziom | $unmount bot (Pfated) |
| 13:25.38 | Madmax | jm_ yeah i got it there but it wont work |
| 13:25.40 | ziom | ^^ |
| 13:25.41 | CosmoDad | ziom: read what I said... this is an /dev issue where device files are not being created upon driver loading |
| 13:25.50 | Madmax | jm_ could you join me in flood so i can copy paste it to you? |
| 13:25.56 | ziom | $unmount bot (Cosmodad) |
| 13:25.58 | ziom | ^^ |
| 13:26.00 | jm_ | Madmax: no, use a pastebin |
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| 13:26.55 | ziom | mount bot(Cosmodad) |
| 13:26.59 | ziom | cosmodad: |
| 13:27.11 | ziom | cosmodad: the IEEE1394 is firewire? |
| 13:27.39 | ziom | cosmodad: if its firewire you could do modprobe |
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| 13:28.19 | ziom | cosmodad: ? |
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| 13:28.33 | ziom | cosmodad: u angry:(? |
| 13:28.40 | CosmoDad | ziom: of course I DID load the modules.. |
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| 13:28.51 | CosmoDad | ziom: the devices in /dev are not created, however |
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| 13:29.25 | ziom | cosmodad open your: /etc/modules.conf added the following lines: |
| 13:29.25 | ziom | pre-install ohci1394 modprobe ieee1394 |
| 13:29.25 | ziom | pre-install sbp2 modprobe ohci1394 |
| 13:29.39 | ziom | have them? |
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| 13:29.50 | wesley | people |
| 13:29.55 | wesley | how can i start the KDE |
| 13:30.19 | ziom | with your gdm, xdm, or kgm |
| 13:30.27 | S4nD3r | I have a problem. I dont get create shorts in my desktop |
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| 13:30.31 | yhwh | hi |
| 13:30.31 | S4nD3r | doesnt show any error message |
| 13:30.34 | S4nD3r | S4nD3r Theres a Debian menu, inside t |
| 13:30.37 | S4nD3r | Theres a Debian menu, inside the Applications menu item |
| 13:30.40 | CosmoDad | ziom: loading the driver is not the problem |
| 13:30.41 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.58 | ziom | cosmodad: what is the problem? |
| 13:31.10 | CosmoDad | ziom: nevermind |
| 13:31.15 | xfoxx | where do i get a cool gothic desktop theme for KDE =P |
| 13:31.16 | CosmoDad | ziom: thanks for trying |
| 13:31.16 | ziom | cosmodad: |
| 13:31.18 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.21 | lakcaj | Has anyone noticed firefox segfaulting with the "back" button lately? This started happening just all of a sudden. I've run it from the commandline, and the only output I get when firefox closes is "Segmentation fault" |
| 13:31.22 | S4nD3r | Neither right mouse button works... |
| 13:31.32 | ziom | cosmodad: do modeprobe your firewire |
| 13:31.41 | ziom | cosmodad: it will make the /devs |
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| 13:31.48 | lakcaj | xfoxx: kde-look.org? |
| 13:31.53 | xfoxx | >_< |
| 13:32.00 | ziom | cosmodad: tried it? |
| 13:32.11 | xfoxx | lakcaj, dont you people know another web page i only get that one i want a gothic one!! please people lol |
| 13:32.24 | Madmax | jm_ when i edited the hosts file, can i apply the changes without rebooting? |
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| 13:32.33 | Pfated | Make your own and quit whining. |
| 13:32.36 | jm_ | Madmax: sure, just restart the apps - no need to reboot anything |
| 13:32.41 | ziom | madmax: yes |
| 13:32.42 | yhwh | i have an lvm partition with 3 logical volume /root /boot and /home |
| 13:32.46 | xfoxx | lol |
| 13:32.56 | yhwh | but when i am shutting down the system |
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| 13:33.03 | yhwh | i see a vgchange.c:82 Can't deactivate volume group "darkstar" with 1 open logical volume(s) |
| 13:33.14 | nvz | S4nD3r: what's the problem? |
| 13:33.27 | ziom | yhwh: i have a logical volume with 7 partiotns: swap, opt, usr, /, home. boot |
| 13:33.39 | S4nD3r | the desktop is crazy |
| 13:33.40 | ziom | yhwh: format your disk;) |
| 13:33.52 | darkness_ | Hi guys.I've recently installed a fresh copy of sarge and installed apache2 web server.Now i'm only getting about 4 days uptime before a sys crash.Is sarge that unstable.Also are there any logs that will give me a clue as to why the sys crashed? |
| 13:33.54 | yhwh | so i put a dmsetup info before the vgchange -a n in /etc/init.d/lvm |
| 13:33.58 | S4nD3r | I cant create shortcuts, for example |
| 13:34.11 | ziom | s4nd3r: using kde? |
| 13:34.11 | yhwh | and i saw that the opencount of the root partion was equal to 2 |
| 13:34.14 | nvz | S4nD3r: I made a factoid not to long ago about double menus.. if thats what you are talking about |
| 13:34.16 | yhwh | what's the fuck |
| 13:34.18 | yhwh | ? |
| 13:34.20 | S4nD3r | Im using gnome |
| 13:34.24 | yhwh | i run ps and lsof |
| 13:34.28 | yhwh | too |
| 13:34.30 | nvz | S4nD3r: /msg dpkg double menus |
| 13:34.43 | yhwh | and it seems that there is no file opened |
| 13:34.55 | yhwh | do i need more than one volume group ? |
| 13:34.57 | ziom | ywhh: a fstab issue? you played arround with the file? |
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| 13:35.28 | yhwh | i have added /dev/hdb3 |
| 13:35.31 | yhwh | later |
| 13:35.35 | yhwh | with a new disk |
| 13:35.43 | ziom | ywhh: in fstab there are the last two numbers dereminate what should be loaded first |
| 13:35.56 | yhwh | my lvm is on /dev/hda2 |
| 13:36.09 | yhwh | ziom dump and pass ? |
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| 13:36.24 | sep | darkness_, i have a apache2 that's been running ezpublish sites almost since sarge was release with no issues |
| 13:36.31 | yhwh | i have a zero for /dev/hdb3 :) |
| 13:36.32 | ziom | yhwh: ?? |
| 13:36.38 | nvz | S4nD3r: as for the right click on the root window thing. Maybe the window manager or something else is catching the right click, or nautilus is not running for some reason. |
| 13:36.43 | ziom | yhwh: ok its right |
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| 13:36.49 | ziom | yhwh: two zeros? |
| 13:36.55 | yhwh | ziom: yeah |
| 13:37.08 | yhwh | ziom: i'lltry somethhing like 0 2 |
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| 13:37.18 | yhwh | ziom: like home or boot |
| 13:37.19 | S4nD3r | Yes |
| 13:37.23 | S4nD3r | Nautilus is not running |
| 13:37.28 | ziom | yhwh: you do right |
| 13:37.37 | yhwh | ziom: thanks :) |
| 13:37.51 | yhwh | ziom: i ll come back after to tell you if it's work |
| 13:37.52 | S4nD3r | hummmm nvz, but it was working |
| 13:37.52 | nvz | S4nD3r: nautilus is what draws the desktop in gnome. run "nohup nautilus -n &" as your user in a terminal |
| 13:37.55 | ziom | yhwh: i have for example: /dev/hdc6 /opt reiserfs defaults 0 2 |
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| 13:38.24 | yhwh | ziom: i have /dev/hdb1 /stock ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 13:38.33 | yhwh | that's not good |
| 13:38.51 | ziom | yhwh cahnge the last numer to 2 and make space between the two zeros |
| 13:38.53 | yhwh | i need to replace the last 0 by 2 or 3 |
| 13:38.55 | S4nD3r | nvz, its empty |
| 13:39.02 | nvz | S4nD3r: what is empty? |
| 13:39.20 | yhwh | i try it thanks :) |
| 13:39.22 | yhwh | bye |
| 13:39.28 | S4nD3r | nohup.out |
| 13:39.35 | nvz | S4nD3r: who cares |
| 13:39.35 | S4nD3r | just a moment |
| 13:39.43 | ziom | yhwh: all my partions expect cdroms... and main mount point have 2 |
| 13:40.29 | nvz | S4nD3r: I only told you to run it nohup so you could close the terminal when you are done and nautilus would stay running as its suppose to. instead of hanging up when the controlling terminal dies |
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| 13:42.00 | l4vim | is there any soft that I can decrese divx file resolution ? convert it for example to 320x240 ? |
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| 13:42.18 | nvz | l4vim: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 13:42.27 | nvz | l4vim: use mplayer/mencoder |
| 13:42.46 | nvz | l4vim: you will need an mplayer package as well as the w32codecs |
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| 13:42.53 | l4vim | I have mplayer |
| 13:42.54 | gothtec | On Windows, pressing Alt Gr (a key to the right of the spacebar) is the same as pressing ctrl and alt at the same time. This provides access to symbols like £$[]@. On linux, Alt Gr har its own keycode and does what it's supposed to, but ctrl+alt does not. Using VNC or Synergy to control the linux box, Alt Gr is sent as ctrl+alt and thus does not do what it's supposed to on linux. How can I make ctrl+alt act like Alt Gr? |
| 13:43.05 | nvz | l4vim: then RTFM :P |
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| 13:43.18 | yhwh | hi again |
| 13:43.21 | yhwh | :) |
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| 13:43.25 | l4vim | nvz: it can write to file ? |
| 13:43.30 | yhwh | ziom: the problem is not resolved |
| 13:43.34 | l4vim | i didn't know |
| 13:43.34 | S4nD3r | Ok. I have a problem then. |
| 13:43.39 | S4nD3r | Nautilus is not running automatically |
| 13:43.41 | mwelsh | I know this isn't the topic but I couldn't think of a more appropriate place to ask. Does anyone have any suggestions as how to remove scratches from an LCD monitor? |
| 13:43.44 | yhwh | ziom: i have the same error message |
| 13:43.45 | ziom | yhwh: :( |
| 13:43.59 | ziom | yhwh: what is the error? |
| 13:44.02 | yhwh | ziom: is there an order to create partition in the volume group ? |
| 13:44.12 | error403 | mwelsh, Google? Ebay? |
| 13:44.20 | ziom | yhwh: must be |
| 13:44.22 | yhwh | vgchange.c:82 Can't deactivate volume group "darkstar" with 1 open logical volume(s) |
| 13:44.32 | nvz | l4vim: mplayer can use video output to png, jpg..etc but thats not what you want. you likely want to use mencoder you may have to pipe the output of mplayer into it.. I have no idea I never used mencoder. This is why I say RTFM |
| 13:44.35 | mwelsh | error403: i'm googling it now, but i figured i'd ask too |
| 13:44.38 | error403 | mwelsh, you can get some scratch-remover substances on ebay |
| 13:44.49 | nvz | l4vim: divx and mplayer is Off-topic here. ask in #mplayer or RTFM |
| 13:45.03 | yhwh | ziom: i have created the logical volume in this order |
| 13:45.07 | l4vim | nvz: I RTFM and find mencoder - i'm happy - thak you |
| 13:45.10 | ziom | yhwh: whats the line u have the drive in your fstab? |
| 13:45.10 | yhwh | ziom: home boot root |
| 13:45.15 | error403 | but mwelsh, your right about it being off-topic - its so damn off-topic, you're lucky anyone replied :P |
| 13:45.20 | mwelsh | error403: do you have any experience using such products? as in do they work? |
| 13:45.27 | mwelsh | heh |
| 13:45.30 | error403 | mwelsh, nope, i look after my LCD |
| 13:45.33 | error403 | :P |
| 13:45.35 | yhwh | ziom: /dev/mapper/darkstar-root / reiserfs noatime 0 1 |
| 13:45.35 | yhwh | /dev/mapper/darkstar-boot /boot reiserfs notail,noatime 0 2 |
| 13:45.35 | yhwh | /dev/mapper/darkstar-home /home reiserfs noatime 0 2 |
| 13:45.49 | yhwh | ziom: it seem correct |
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| 13:46.16 | ziom | yhwh: what disc does not want to load? |
| 13:46.21 | yhwh | ziom: i run a dmsetup info before vgchange -a n |
| 13:46.27 | yhwh | ziom: the disk load very well |
| 13:46.46 | yhwh | ziom: the problem is that when i shutdown the vgchange -a n fails |
| 13:47.09 | yhwh | ziom: because the opencount of the root logical volum was not equal to zero |
| 13:47.14 | S4nD3r | Every time I turn my computer on, I must run "nohup nautilus -n &" |
| 13:47.23 | yhwh | ziom: but i don't understand why is not equal to 0 |
| 13:47.43 | nvz | l4vim: no problem :) |
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| 13:48.02 | yhwh | ziom: i ran ps ax > /log too |
| 13:48.08 | ziom | yhwh: you have a strange volume: /dev/map/balbala... i my disc are /dev/hda ..hdb .. hdc |
| 13:48.10 | Madmax | jm_ 192.168.0.2 linuxbox |
| 13:48.13 | Madmax | jm_ wont work |
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| 13:48.22 | yhwh | ziom: that's lvm2 |
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| 13:48.29 | Madmax | jm_ ping gives no result from win box |
| 13:48.38 | ziom | ywhw: go look in google for lvm2 and debian... |
| 13:48.43 | nvz | I am obviously getting used to this working all night shit now that I can come home in the morning and actually be awake enough to answer technical questions. |
| 13:48.49 | S4nD3r | Nautilus is not running automatically |
| 13:48.52 | S4nD3r | Every time I turn my computer on, I must run "nohup nautilus -n &" |
| 13:48.52 | ziom | ywhw: i have no idea for lvm2 sorry |
| 13:48.53 | nvz | sparr: you ass. |
| 13:49.07 | yhwh | ziom: thank you |
| 13:49.08 | jm_ | Madmax: and ping 192.168.0.2? |
| 13:49.09 | liable | why the hell is mutt ignoring my Mailir? and always asking to make Mail? |
| 13:49.10 | yhwh | :( |
| 13:49.12 | ziom | ywhw: maybe you need other configurations for your fstab |
| 13:49.16 | RichiH | sparr: please don"t do that |
| 13:49.16 | FliesLikeABrick | anyone know how to debian to autodetect RAID arrays on boot? I have 2 arrays set up with mdadm and both use linux autodetect partitions, but debian doesn't detect on boot. |
| 13:49.18 | Madmax | jm_ is ok, with reply |
| 13:49.24 | jm_ | Madmax: sorry gotta run now |
| 13:49.31 | yhwh | ziom: that's the default fstab file i think it's ok |
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| 13:49.33 | ziom | ywhw: go google: lvm2+fstab |
| 13:49.35 | Madmax | jm_ any idea? |
| 13:49.47 | nvz | RichiH: whatever "that" is. In any case a ctcp on an entire channel is still stupid. |
| 13:49.47 | sparr | nvz: embarassed by your lack of an avatar? nothing to be ashamed of |
| 13:49.53 | yhwh | ziom: i was searching during two days on google :) |
| 13:49.56 | FliesLikeABrick | sparr find a new hobby |
| 13:50.04 | yhwh | ziom: theres is similar problem |
| 13:50.04 | ziom | ywhw: or google the error, i m sure your not the only one using lvm2 |
| 13:50.07 | RichiH | nvz: "that" is a channel ctcp |
| 13:50.18 | ziom | ok i m outa testing my boot tune up |
| 13:50.20 | ziom | bye all |
| 13:50.25 | nvz | sparr: I am not embarassed at all that my client doesnt support your stupidity. |
| 13:50.37 | FliesLikeABrick | haha nvz awesome |
| 13:50.38 | yhwh | anyone use lvm2 |
| 13:50.41 | yhwh | ? |
| 13:51.29 | yhwh | :( |
| 13:51.31 | yhwh | bye |
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| 13:51.59 | nvz | sparr: fyi our avatars are called userpics and they are kept on debstats. because in #debian userpic chooses YOU! |
| 13:52.14 | mentor | Interesting God Complex there... |
| 13:52.21 | FliesLikeABrick | anyone know how to debian to autodetect RAID arrays on boot? I have 2 arrays set up with mdadm and both use linux autodetect partitions, but debian doesn't detect on boot. |
| 13:52.32 | nvz | sussudio_: isn't that right? |
| 13:52.42 | Pfated | nvz: Tell it. |
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| 13:52.58 | nvz | Pfated: I did. |
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| 13:53.07 | Eiscreme | hi |
| 13:53.17 | Pfated | Heh. |
| 13:53.19 | _gass_ | i want to increase the refresh rate in gnome, but gnome does not allow me to do that. I have only 60Hz and i wanted 75 or 85 at least |
| 13:53.22 | CosmoDad | what kind of bugs does the BTS of Debian contain: only debian-specific bugs, or bugs from software used in debian as well? |
| 13:53.26 | _gass_ | Section "Monitor" |
| 13:53.29 | nvz | Pfated: I had been wondering if that was you hiding back there.. I had to /who to find out |
| 13:53.30 | _gass_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.33 | _gass_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.35 | Eiscreme | there is a website which has got a new DNS ... My Computer still gets the Data from the old server ... How can I make my computer find the new DNS ? |
| 13:53.38 | _gass_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.43 | _gass_ | in xorg.conf |
| 13:53.45 | Pfated | nvz: Bahah. Hostmask, hostmaaaask. |
| 13:53.47 | Madmax | guys, i added the line "192.168.0.2 linux" to my /etc/hosts.. when i ping the box from linux with the ip it works.. the network name cant be resolved.. any ideas? |
| 13:54.02 | Madmax | sorry when i ping from win that is |
| 13:54.19 | nvz | Pfated: your usercloak still indicates who you are. |
| 13:54.27 | Pfated | Ehm? You'd need to add it to WINDOWS' hostsfile, no...? |
| 13:54.29 | timgoh0 | Madmax: /etc/hosts is local to the machine. |
| 13:54.32 | Pfated | nvz: That's the point. |
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| 13:54.49 | Madmax | timgoh0 what to do then? |
| 13:55.10 | timgoh0 | Madmax: You need your windows host file located in %systemroot%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts |
| 13:55.20 | nvz | I've been on here for half a decade and still never got a usercloak. I think last I talked to lilo he said I had to link my nick to an email or something. |
| 13:55.49 | abrotman | nvz: i haven't |
| 13:55.49 | timgoh0 | nvz: You need to have another nick linked to your primary one, and have an email address registered. |
| 13:55.54 | abrotman | nvz: but i donated |
| 13:55.55 | Madmax | timgoh0 then? |
| 13:56.07 | timgoh0 | Madmax: Edit that one. |
| 13:56.20 | Pfated | nvz: You have it registered already, don't you? /msg nickserv help, add an email to your nick, and ask one of the staffers for a mask. Easy! :) |
| 13:56.21 | nvz | consider it a donation |
| 13:56.49 | timgoh0 | nvz: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks |
| 13:57.09 | nvz | Pfated: easy if you have an email address I suppose. Maybe I should get one |
| 13:57.20 | timgoh0 | nvz: Care for a gmail account? |
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| 13:57.34 | abrotman | nvz: gmail/yahoo/hotmail/excite ... lazy yinzer! |
| 13:57.38 | Pfated | gmaaaaail. |
| 13:58.12 | nvz | gmail sounds like a signing up for spam. of course so is yahoo or anything else |
| 13:58.22 | nvz | I probably have email accounts through my ISP |
| 13:58.23 | timgoh0 | nvz: They don't seem to spam. |
| 13:58.37 | Pfated | But with gmail, you have enough space to STILL get proper mail, even with spam! |
| 13:58.40 | Pfated | :) |
| 13:58.55 | timgoh0 | Pfated: The gmail spam filter seems to work. |
| 13:59.06 | nvz | email doesnt fit well into my low-stress lifestyle :P |
| 13:59.08 | Pfated | I concur, I haven't seem spammy stuffs. |
| 13:59.23 | xoz | gmail seems to have the best spam filter compared to yahoo and lycos |
| 13:59.25 | Pfated | I might actually move to gmail as my primary mail. As much as I enjoy my other one, it's gotten spammified. |
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| 13:59.48 | timgoh0 | nvz: Lucky bastard. I've got a mail client on my phone. Which i have to check every 30 mins. |
| 13:59.51 | nvz | Its nearing the end of 2005 I don't have an email address, or a cell phone |
| 14:00.07 | Pfated | And yet... a net connection? WTF. :) |
| 14:00.38 | nvz | I can control what comes through my network bridge |
| 14:00.41 | agent_ | how does one remove/rename eth0,eth1, etc.? hotplug has created extra entries that confuse the system (3 per network card!) :( |
| 14:00.42 | abrotman | who needs email when you have jabber! |
| 14:00.45 | timgoh0 | Pfated: 'ee's on IRC. Spam him via /msg. :) |
| 14:00.57 | Pfated | timgoh0: Ooo! |
| 14:01.09 | nvz | I like freenode. Its the only form of online communication I approve of anymore. |
| 14:01.09 | Pfated | And +E is no use against me! |
| 14:01.10 | Madmax | timgoh0 thx, works! :D |
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| 14:02.52 | abrotman | agent_: ethrename .. wait .. that's not it |
| 14:02.58 | abrotman | ifname ? |
| 14:03.34 | abrotman | agent_: ifrename ! |
| 14:03.34 | Lutin_Triste | how do you enable scsi-ide emulation on burner in debian 3.1 ? i tried hdc=scsi-ide in the grub menu.lst but it do nothing |
| 14:03.42 | abrotman | Lutin_Triste: 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 14:03.46 | Lutin_Triste | yes |
| 14:04.05 | nev | What is the name of the setup script started upon a restart in a debian install? I'd like to fetch the list of packages in software collections (on the "Debian software collection" screen). |
| 14:04.10 | abrotman | Lutin_Triste: don't use ide-scsi |
| 14:04.18 | abrotman | and it's not scsi-ide .. it's ide-scsi |
| 14:04.27 | Lutin_Triste | xcdroast keep asking for it |
| 14:04.34 | nvz | I used to do ICQ and Email and I had yahoo to talk to my uncle. but i got sick of all that. Some girl got my email from ICQ and wouldnt leave me alone I tried every imaginable approach from asking nicely, to diversion, and being outright ignorant. Nothing worked. I decided the mailing lists I had email for werent worth the stress of spam and geeks who are to shy to talk to me in person. |
| 14:04.57 | abrotman | Lutin_Triste: it's lying |
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| 14:05.07 | Lutin_Triste | ohh |
| 14:05.11 | Lutin_Triste | evil |
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| 14:05.33 | timgoh0 | nvz: It's called procmail. Master it and use it well. |
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| 14:06.38 | walterbrunswick | If I purchased my system pre-bundled with Windows XP should this affect X when I install Debian on a separate harddisk? |
| 14:06.43 | CosmoDad | is there a way to do text-based search on the Debian BTS? I know there exists an erroneous behavior with ieee1394 but I cannot determine which package is responsible. |
| 14:06.44 | kneet | Talking about cd-burning under 2.6 - what happened with the "need root access" problem that started in 2.6.8 or round about there? |
| 14:06.55 | abrotman | CosmoDad: fabre.debian.net |
| 14:07.22 | CosmoDad | abrotman: down? "Error: the index is missing or broken." is all I get |
| 14:07.32 | nvz | yeah back when I still yahoo'd there were a bunch of super spam killer programs too. but there were just too many kids who didnt have to pay for internet and had nothing better to do with their time than pretend to be hackers on a network full of old gay men pretending to be kids and cyber sexing each other and trading pr0n. so I eventually gave up and told my uncle he would have to call me or something. It not worth fighting with people who ar |
| 14:07.35 | abrotman | CosmoDad: used to work |
| 14:07.37 | CosmoDad | abrotman: why is the Debian BTS not able to handle that? |
| 14:07.38 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:07.39 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 14:07.52 | abrotman | CosmoDad: don't ask me .. i didn't write the interface to the BTS |
| 14:08.10 | _gass_ | hello ppl |
| 14:08.13 | _gass_ | i want to increase the refresh rate in gnome, but gnome does not allow me to do that. I have only 60Hz and i wanted 75 or 85 at least |
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| 14:08.27 | nvz | The stupids always win, because they have no rational means of attack. They require no gain on yours or their part.. you never know when, where, or how the stupid person will attack. |
| 14:08.28 | _gass_ | how can i do that? |
| 14:08.37 | walterbrunswick | If I purchased my system pre-bundled with Windows XP should this affect X when I install Debian on a separate harddisk? |
| 14:08.38 | nvz | you can neither prepair for it or defend against it |
| 14:08.40 | DrPete- | alindeman: |
| 14:08.44 | abrotman | walterbrunswick: no |
| 14:08.46 | nvz | you are at the mercy of the stupids |
| 14:08.54 | CosmoDad | abrotman: ok thx |
| 14:08.57 | walterbrunswick | What -could- affect X? |
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| 14:09.04 | timgoh0 | nvz: Thus, LARTs should be standard issue? |
| 14:09.14 | syntaxx | totem can play .avi files? |
| 14:09.18 | abrotman | walterbrunswick: lots of things |
| 14:09.19 | abrotman | syntaxx: yes |
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| 14:09.42 | timgoh0 | syntaxx: .avi files are just containers. It depends on what codec the contents of the file is encoded in. |
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| 14:10.02 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
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| 14:10.40 | agent_ | abrotman, do you know why i have too many interfaces listed (3 per network card) and how to delete these? /etc/iftab shows correct number... |
| 14:10.46 | nvz | well I am going to go get cleaned up an have something to eat.. Then probably go to sleep cause I have nothing better to do at this time of the morning when everyone else I know is at work or in bed |
| 14:10.56 | timgoh0 | nvz: Take care. |
| 14:11.34 | abrotman | agent_: no .. did you do IP aliasing ? |
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| 14:12.23 | Biskuit | hi |
| 14:12.27 | Biskuit | I have a question |
| 14:12.37 | Biskuit | Is there someone to help me ? |
| 14:12.45 | Ronin | Biskuit: just ask the question |
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| 14:12.51 | Biskuit | ok |
| 14:13.00 | CosmoDad | what is ddetect? I've found out it's responsible for a bug but I cannot find it in the official repository |
| 14:13.19 | Biskuit | i use debian sarge and i tried to change my background this morning |
| 14:13.45 | Biskuit | but since, the program gnome-background-properties occure an error |
| 14:13.50 | agent_ | abrotman, *I* did not... how to i check if there are any aliases? |
| 14:14.04 | Biskuit | and my background wasn't changed |
| 14:14.13 | abrotman | in your interfaces file probably |
| 14:14.27 | curt | what email clients come with gnome? |
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| 14:14.53 | Lutin_Triste | balsa i think |
| 14:15.10 | Lutin_Triste | or evolution |
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| 14:15.37 | curt | Lutin_Triste, thanks |
| 14:15.41 | Biskuit | is there something to do to make him run as before ? |
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| 14:15.46 | Biskuit | it |
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| 14:17.25 | ziom | jo i m back |
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| 14:17.25 | ZeeGeek | I had an error like this when I tried to apt-get -f install. Unpacking replacement xlibmesa-gl ... |
| 14:17.28 | ZeeGeek | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 14:17.28 | agent_ | abrotman, well... it does list one extra but it does not list the third extra interface so im confused now where these are comming from... interfaces is created by hotplug so many that is misconfigured? |
| 14:17.30 | ziom | i tried initng |
| 14:17.31 | ZeeGeek | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.34 | ziom | and i must say |
| 14:17.34 | ZeeGeek | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
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| 14:17.40 | ziom | it changed my life!!! |
| 14:17.46 | abrotman | agent_: you'd have to paste your ifconfig -a somewhere |
| 14:17.53 | ziom | now booting form grub to x is 40 sec |
| 14:18.18 | ziom | one prob: using it gives: Failed to initalize core drivers and x fails... |
| 14:18.19 | ziom | :( |
| 14:18.34 | Eiscreme | When I have `Windows` _and_ `Linux Debian` on my harddrive ... is there any need to make the Linux partition mounted on / `bootable` ? |
| 14:18.54 | ziom | eiscreme: using grub? |
| 14:19.07 | gothtec | How can I make pressing ctrl+alt the same as pressing "alt gr" (special key on some european keyboards). "alt gr" returns "keycode 113 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift)" in xev. |
| 14:19.11 | Eiscreme | ziom: using the partition manager in the installation |
| 14:19.29 | ziom | gothec: using kde? |
| 14:19.34 | ZeeGeek | what did that error mean? |
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| 14:19.57 | ziom | eiscreme: it makes outocheck and finds windows.. |
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| 14:20.20 | ziom | eiscreme: if u want still use this virus than say him yes ok at it to the mount device |
| 14:20.36 | agent_ | abrotman, i think i may know what is wrong with at least one extra... for whatever reason, this extra ethx has a different hwaddr, which makes no sense... also, eth0 has a hwaddr that is 15 hex long! it should only be 6! |
| 14:20.37 | ziom | *add |
| 14:20.41 | tactless | I'm having a bit of a problem with netapplet - it doesn't attempt to DHCP. It does everything else perfectly, but it doesn't get an IP address by itself. |
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| 14:20.50 | abrotman | agent_: ok! |
| 14:21.05 | ziom | eiscreme: debian will autmatically add itself to grub when installing... |
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| 14:21.27 | Eiscreme | ziom: I cannot see the releation between your answer and my question |
| 14:21.28 | ziom | anyone using Iinitng? |
| 14:21.30 | agent_ | abrotman, where is that wrong hwaddr comming from? |
| 14:21.36 | abrotman | agent_: from the hardware :) |
| 14:21.40 | Eiscreme | zion: I want to install Linux and windows on a new harddrive |
| 14:21.52 | ziom | *ziom |
| 14:21.53 | Eiscreme | zion: at the moment I thought it would be fine like this |
| 14:21.56 | Eiscreme | http://85.124.77.138/part.txt |
| 14:22.02 | Eiscreme | is there anything wrong ? |
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| 14:22.04 | ziom | *ziom -.- |
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| 14:22.17 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: how large is swap? |
| 14:22.33 | Eiscreme | tarzeau: 2 GB |
| 14:22.36 | agent_ | abrotman, well... no, because the first part is correct and for whatever reason ifconfig is adding a bunch of 00 to make it 16 long |
| 14:22.40 | ziom | eiscreme: looks ok |
| 14:22.42 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: you don't need the bootable label for / |
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| 14:22.54 | abrotman | Eiscreme: install windows first .. then intsall debian .. grub should setup both for you during the install |
| 14:22.54 | Eiscreme | tarzeau: why not? |
| 14:23.03 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: how much memory does it have? |
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| 14:23.24 | Eiscreme | I do NOT have a Windows CD here at the moment ... so I need to install Linux first ... is this a big problem? |
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| 14:23.32 | ziom | eiscrme: use reiserfs not ext3 |
| 14:23.33 | Eiscreme | tarzeau: 512 MB DDR RAM |
| 14:23.33 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: no |
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| 14:23.39 | abrotman | ziom: NO |
| 14:23.46 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: i'd only make 1 gb mem swap at max, rather 512mb |
| 14:23.48 | ziom | abortman: why? |
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| 14:23.52 | abrotman | don't use reiser unless you have an UPS |
| 14:23.57 | abrotman | any moron knows that |
| 14:23.57 | gothtec | How can I make pressing ctrl+alt the same as pressing "alt gr" (special key on some european keyboards). This is the default behaviour in Windows, and I need Linux to do the same... "alt gr" returns "keycode 113 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift)" in xev. |
| 14:24.04 | ziom | abortman: what is a ups? |
| 14:24.07 | abrotman | exactly |
| 14:24.11 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 14:24.17 | ziom | gothec: using kde? |
| 14:24.25 | Eiscreme | why ReiserFS instead of ext3 ? |
| 14:24.32 | abrotman | Eiscreme: don't use reiser |
| 14:24.33 | Eiscreme | tarzeau: why only 1 GB Swap? |
| 14:24.43 | abrotman | Eiscreme: general ideology is 2xRAM for swap |
| 14:24.47 | gothtec | ziom: xfree86 and fluxbox |
| 14:24.48 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: why 2 gb swap? do you know you need so much? it'll perform lousy |
| 14:24.48 | ziom | abortman: i was told reiserfs is better |
| 14:24.56 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: get more real memory if you need more |
| 14:24.58 | abrotman | ziom: probably by another moron |
| 14:25.17 | ziom | abortman: it was a geek;) |
| 14:25.17 | Eiscreme | how can I find out how much RAM I have? 512 MB are a guess ... maybe its only 256 |
| 14:25.22 | Eiscreme | how can I check that? |
| 14:25.23 | abrotman | ziom: a bad one |
| 14:25.25 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: free -m |
| 14:25.35 | abrotman | Eiscreme: when the system does its POST .. it will telly ou |
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| 14:25.48 | xoz | all SUSE developers are moron. they use reiser from the very beginning. |
| 14:25.49 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: if it shows you 800 and more mb. you might even have more, check with lshw -C memory |
| 14:25.55 | ziom | gothec: you can change keyboard layout in dpkg-configue xserver-XF86 or something |
| 14:26.09 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: is it an x86? |
| 14:26.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: it could be a non-x86 and not have POST at all |
| 14:26.21 | abrotman | god damn .. |
| 14:26.26 | norskfjord | hi, im using Skype and I can hear my friend but they cannot hear me. How can I fix this? |
| 14:26.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: care to place bets? :) |
| 14:26.35 | metal4o | where i can get live dibian cd? |
| 14:26.38 | abrotman | xoz: no argument there :) |
| 14:26.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: nah :) |
| 14:26.41 | caphuso | metal4o: you don't |
| 14:26.46 | metal4o | why? |
| 14:26.47 | tarzeau | !dibian |
| 14:26.50 | norskfjord | I have aumix, and the mic is turned right up and I can hear my self speaking into it in the headphones |
| 14:26.51 | caphuso | metal4o: because there isn't one |
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| 14:26.56 | xoz | abrotman: heh |
| 14:27.07 | Eiscreme | tarzeau: http://sial.org/pbot/13694?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21 |
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| 14:27.11 | metal4o | i`ve got one but... lame too lame |
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| 14:27.39 | Eiscreme | tarzeau: what value in my pasting tells me the RAM |
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| 14:28.06 | xoz | norskfjord: google? perhaps others have similar experience of sound of silence. |
| 14:28.16 | abrotman | Eiscreme: 1GB swap will be fine |
| 14:28.40 | caphuso | metal4o: don't /msg me |
| 14:28.40 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: you have 256mb |
| 14:28.47 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: i'd only make 512mb swap |
| 14:28.52 | kimo | I have 27k$ budget, I wanna buy the best Linux computing power I can get (one big, or many smaller machines). We usually get SunFire-Opteron servers. Any suggestions from old hands |
| 14:28.56 | Eiscreme | can too much SWAP be bad? |
| 14:28.57 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: at maximum! |
| 14:28.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: he could upgrade later .. i'd go with 1GB |
| 14:29.01 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: yes |
| 14:29.05 | abrotman | Eiscreme: just .. wasted space really |
| 14:29.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: he can make a swapfile |
| 14:29.10 | Eiscreme | tarzeau: what can happen? |
| 14:29.19 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: make a swap file! not partition |
| 14:29.24 | ziom | abortman: LOL! HAHAHAHA! |
| 14:29.27 | syntaxx | www.yahoo.com |
| 14:29.28 | abrotman | kimo: too vague |
| 14:29.29 | nvz | metal4o: in order to have a debian live on cd, you must first install debian then make your own live cd with the bootcd package. debian doesnt release live cds. the debian based live cds are no longer debian because they are all modified and contain things that dont comply with debian policy |
| 14:29.29 | ziom | abortman: journaling filesystems make more efficient use of drive space and make data reads and writes faster over a wide variety of file sizes |
| 14:29.34 | cahoot | norskfjord: ccapture enabled - see if disabling that makes a difference |
| 14:29.38 | tarzeau | Eiscreme: swap partitions are historic shit, really make a file |
| 14:29.40 | abrotman | ziom: wtf are you talking about? |
| 14:29.44 | nvz | metal4o: actually I believe its called boot-cd |
| 14:29.45 | ziom | abprtman: Reiser filesystem, named after Hans Reiser, is probably the best known of this quick new class of keeping track of the contents of hard drives |
| 14:29.48 | ziom | lol! |
| 14:29.57 | abrotman | ziom: YOU FUCKTARD .. ext3 is journaling |
| 14:29.59 | ziom | REISERFS RULES! |
| 14:30.01 | abrotman | IDIOT |
| 14:30.07 | ziom | lol |
| 14:30.15 | ziom | abortman: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/3726/1/ |
| 14:30.27 | ziom | reiser rules;) |
| 14:30.32 | tarzeau | someone in here runs condor? |
| 14:30.35 | abrotman | ziom: you're completely .. stupid |
| 14:30.35 | ziom | i knew the geek was right |
| 14:30.37 | kimo | abrotman, we need to run scientific very demanding applications. What configuration would give me highest computing power per the buck ? |
| 14:30.48 | ziom | abortman ext3 has also journaling |
| 14:30.56 | ziom | abortman: but reisers is better |
| 14:31.02 | abrotman | ziom: if you run xfs/jfs/reiser without an UPS .. you risk losing all of your data if the power goes out |
| 14:31.07 | nvz | ziom: journalizing filesystems are actually slower on access time. I dont know where you get your information. the benefits are things like crash recovery faster fsck..etc |
| 14:31.11 | thc | his name isn't abortman, or abprtman either. |
| 14:31.17 | abrotman | ziom: you have no idea what you're talking about .. really .. zero .. none .. |
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| 14:31.23 | caphuso | ziom: that article is complete bullshit |
| 14:31.31 | ziom | abortman: they say REISER is probably the best known of this quick new class of keeping track of the contents of hard drives |
| 14:31.40 | abrotman | ziom: SHUT UP .. you're completely clueless |
| 14:31.42 | nvz | metal4o: do not /msg people in here |
| 14:31.49 | ziom | abortman they say on linuxplanet reiserfs rocks? |
| 14:31.49 | metal4o | o... ok |
| 14:31.58 | abrotman | caphuso: pretty please? :) |
| 14:31.59 | ziom | abortman; you mean linuxplanet sux???!!! |
| 14:32.06 | kimo | abrotman, what kind of info would ya wanna know |
| 14:32.07 | caphuso | ziom: yes, it does |
| 14:32.10 | caphuso | ziom: big time |
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| 14:32.24 | nvz | metal4o: you have to install debian using a normal debian install cd like the netinstall or sarge iso1 |
| 14:32.34 | ziom | lol i have reiser and it works fine |
| 14:32.41 | thc | zido you see 'abortman' on your screen? are you dyslexic or wht |
| 14:32.41 | abrotman | kimo: if you have a vendor .. you oculd talk to them .. but if you have requirements .. that's where you start .. like an HPC setup .. or a single large machine .. stuff like that |
| 14:32.46 | ziom | you can stay with your ext2 or 3 if you want;) |
| 14:32.52 | nvz | metal4o: debian contains software to make live cds from your debian installation. this is how the live spinoffs came to be. |
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| 14:32.57 | abrotman | thc: i highlight on that .. because people are retarded :) |
| 14:33.02 | ziom | i belong to the new generation LOL! ROTFL! |
| 14:33.06 | thc | nice |
| 14:33.31 | thc | ziom: you are as annoying today as you were yesterday. well done. |
| 14:33.34 | abrotman | thc: you see the evidence here .. right before you |
| 14:34.05 | ziom | abortman; ext3 is half journaling: |
| 14:34.10 | ziom | abortmna: But, because it is tied to ext2, it suffers some of the limitations of the older system and therefore does not exploit all the potential of the pure journaling filesystems. |
| 14:34.10 | abrotman | dude |
| 14:34.12 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 14:34.26 | abrotman | ziom: and it does'nt have the same failure issues you idiot |
| 14:34.35 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 14:34.36 | loxen | ziom: copy paste ownz you |
| 14:34.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 14:34.37 | ziom | abortman: acceept you're wrong |
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| 14:34.45 | gothtec | How can I make pressing ctrl+alt the same as pressing "alt gr" (special key on some european keyboards). This is the default behaviour in Windows, and I need Linux to do the same... "alt gr" returns "keycode 113 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift)" in xev. |
| 14:34.50 | abrotman | ziom: read the linuxmafia article about reiserfs |
| 14:35.21 | asg | gothtec: man xmodmap |
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| 14:35.51 | nvz | I could feel that ban slipping through time. |
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| 14:36.48 | abrotman | i feel bad .. i should have plonked him a while ago |
| 14:36.49 | nvz | actually I guess that was just a quiet. |
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| 14:37.09 | xoz | gothtec: edit /etc/inputrc or ~/.inputrc |
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| 14:37.20 | nvz | abrotman: its not your fault he's stupid |
| 14:37.29 | abrotman | yeah .. but i didn't help |
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| 14:37.46 | xoz | of mice and men... |
| 14:37.52 | nvz | abrotman: you can't help the stupids http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity/ |
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| 14:40.04 | curt | A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person. |
| 14:40.40 | xfoxx | lol you got that right XP |
| 14:40.47 | nvz | abrotman: as the basic laws of human stupidity clearly outline... |
| 14:40.51 | nvz | abrotman: "A stupid creature will harass you for no reason, for no advantage, without any plan or scheme and at the most improbable times and places. You have no rational way of telling if and when and how and why the stupid creature attacks. confronted with a stupid individual you are completely at his mercy." |
| 14:41.16 | fbi | haha 'creature' |
| 14:41.26 | xoz | sounds like a troll |
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| 14:42.48 | curt | in rebuttal Abrotman has solved every issue that I have come to this IRC search for answers. |
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| 14:43.04 | abrotman | every issue? |
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| 14:43.12 | curt | abrotman, so far |
| 14:43.19 | abrotman | curt: if that's true .. one of us needs to spend less time on IRC :) |
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| 14:43.32 | nvz | abrotman: its definatly you. |
| 14:43.32 | abrotman | nvz: nice |
| 14:43.37 | abrotman | nvz: are you sure? |
| 14:43.38 | curt | abrotman, well as i am not here very often... |
| 14:43.45 | nvz | abrotman: yeah debstats is my proof |
| 14:43.52 | nvz | abrotman: Piggy is watching j00 |
| 14:44.04 | abrotman | curt: crap .. it's me then |
| 14:44.06 | abrotman | nvz: debstats? |
| 14:44.20 | nvz | umm yeah, debstats |
| 14:44.31 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 14:44.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 14:44.32 | aimtrainer | hi! can any of you tell me a prog with which u can cut one large mp3 file in several smaller ones using a cue file? |
| 14:44.39 | abrotman | nvz: i think a simple !seen abrotman would clear it up |
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| 14:45.14 | curt | !seen Abrotman |
| 14:45.14 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (1h 44m 20s). Has said a total of 141988 messages. Is idling for 35s |
| 14:45.30 | curt | !seen curt |
| 14:45.30 | dpkg | curt is currently on #debian (1d 18h 42m 39s). Has said a total of 326 messages. Is idling for 0s |
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| 14:45.50 | curt | !seen nvz |
| 14:45.50 | dpkg | nvz is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 43929 messages. Is idling for 1m 30s |
| 14:45.55 | abrotman | oh yeah .. see who's on more .. i've been here for 2 hours .. you've been here 2 days! |
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| 14:46.10 | gothtec | !see 0e |
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| 14:46.17 | gothtec | !seen me |
| 14:46.17 | dpkg | me <n=izzz@ti211310a080-0483.bb.online.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6d 3h 40m 44s ago, saying: '!tell flazh about ask'. |
| 14:46.18 | nvz | it doesnt show me how long I've been on |
| 14:46.23 | xoz | aimtrainer: mpgtx |
| 14:46.24 | xfoxx | whats a god bit file manager for debian?? |
| 14:46.26 | nvz | though I know how long I've been here |
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| 14:46.40 | gothtec | !seen gothtec |
| 14:46.40 | dpkg | gothtec is currently on #debian (33m 55s). Has said a total of 2291 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 14:46.44 | nvz | wtf is a "god bit file manager" |
| 14:46.44 | asg | xfoxx: god bit? |
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| 14:46.52 | xfoxx | asg, good bit program |
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| 14:47.02 | xfoxx | bit manager download |
| 14:47.08 | abrotman | bittorrent? |
| 14:47.14 | ziom_resurecion | ok |
| 14:47.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: you still want that @debian.org email? |
| 14:47.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: i need to be a DD for that :) |
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| 14:47.24 | ziom_resurecion | aborman: why you banned me? |
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| 14:47.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's easy, just pass this test: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-nm.png |
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| 14:47.39 | nvz | ziom_resurecion: nobody banned you or you wouldn't be here |
| 14:47.40 | asg | ziom_resurecion: he didn't |
| 14:47.48 | ziom_resurecion | aborman: just when i'm of the oppionn that reiserfs is better |
| 14:47.59 | ziom_resurecion | abortman: you just call me stupid and ban me |
| 14:47.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's just wrong |
| 14:48.00 | nvz | ziom_resurecion: you were silenced and it had nothing to do with abrotman. |
| 14:48.10 | abrotman | ziom_resurecion: i didn't ban you .. and now you're evading your bad |
| 14:48.12 | abrotman | err ban |
| 14:48.18 | abrotman | *plonk* .. again |
| 14:48.18 | fbi | oh, now it's aborman |
| 14:48.24 | ziom_resurecion | nvz: for what i was silenced? |
| 14:48.26 | asg | fbi: adoreman? |
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| 14:48.33 | fbi | what's it gonna be in ten minutes, aborma? |
| 14:48.35 | ziom_resurecion | nvz: i coppied and paste few times... |
| 14:48.38 | xoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.39 | asg | fbi: aboriginalman |
| 14:48.46 | fbi | haha |
| 14:48.48 | abrotman | fbi: the best is just "ab" |
| 14:48.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's easy! |
| 14:48.54 | aimtrainer | xoz thx |
| 14:49.03 | abrotman | can't we get him gone again for ban evading ? |
| 14:49.06 | ziom_resurecion | nvz: but to give abortman a larger view on the topic of filesystems |
| 14:49.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: fill it out, and send it back to me |
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| 14:49.10 | fbi | abortman: register ab! |
| 14:49.14 | abrotman | fbi: :) |
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| 14:49.23 | abrotman | fbi: it already is |
| 14:49.24 | poppor | I have a question, is the idea that I run X not using root ? |
| 14:49.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you need more than two weeks, tell me and i will put you on hold. you are free to reapply any time |
| 14:49.28 | nvz | ziom_resurecion: you were being unreasonably hard headed and raging a heated debate. in a channel of this size certain decisions have to be made to keep the channel temperature down. |
| 14:49.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you pass yet? |
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| 14:49.41 | asg | abrotman: ab -c 1000 -n 50 http://foo.bar |
| 14:49.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: STFU |
| 14:49.47 | abrotman | but he's ban evading ffs .. |
| 14:50.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: it wsa a serious question .. i meant the whole process .. not that |
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| 14:50.05 | nvz | ziom_resurecion: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
| 14:50.14 | fbi | popor: running X as root isn't very smart if that's what you are asking |
| 14:50.21 | nvz | abrotman: it wasnt a ban, its not you're fault, relax. |
| 14:50.22 | fbi | ack |
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| 14:50.29 | fbi | poppor^^ |
| 14:50.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: no i haven't. i'm busy with other things right now, but i'm working on it again (end of this month hopefully) |
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| 14:50.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah ok |
| 14:50.50 | fbi | i didn't understand your question though |
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| 14:50.56 | abrotman | nvz: i could have sworn caph got him .. but whatever .. i plonked him already |
| 14:51.03 | nvz | abrotman: that is a ban |
| 14:51.09 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 14:51.10 | abrotman | he banned the nick i guess .. oh well |
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| 14:51.25 | nvz | abrotman: the last one was a +b % which is a quiet by means of his ident response |
| 14:51.37 | abrotman | oh .. i guess i wasn't truly paying attention |
| 14:51.49 | abrotman | just that he was quiet :) |
| 14:51.49 | caphuso | lesson of the day: don't try to evade a +q |
| 14:51.59 | asg | hehe |
| 14:52.37 | nvz | caphuso: most of us could have figured that one out |
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| 14:52.48 | xoz | sound of silence is deafening |
| 14:53.24 | asg | xoz: and it smells strangely like cheese |
| 14:53.29 | nvz | how about the sound of me going to make a hot roast beef sandwitch with the tiny bit of roast beef I have left :P |
| 14:53.59 | xoz | slrrp |
| 14:54.05 | fbi | i'd rather have some hot roast beef curtains |
| 14:54.06 | thingfish | mmm |
| 14:54.10 | asg | nvz: not really a sandwich then is it; more like bread + a stain |
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| 14:57.39 | lehel | do i need the "initrd.img.." in the /boot [grub][kernel 2.6.8] to boot? |
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| 14:58.03 | caphuso | lehel: depends on your kernel configuration |
| 14:58.20 | lehel | a just make a "make dep" now.. 2.6.8 |
| 14:58.23 | lehel | made |
| 14:58.33 | lehel | and then a "mae install" |
| 14:59.02 | xfoxx | how do i download threw bittorrent whats the command? |
| 14:59.03 | thingfish | why are you compiling, lehel? |
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| 14:59.20 | lehel | i see the config-2.6.8, vmlinuz-2.6.8, system.map-2.6.8, but nowhere the initrd.img-2.6.8 |
| 14:59.28 | asg | xfoxx: dpkg -L <pkg you install> | grep bin (and read the manpages while your at it.) |
| 14:59.37 | asg | s/ll/lled/ |
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| 14:59.52 | lehel | and the grub list is updated.. |
| 15:00.05 | lehel | but i'm afraid to reboot.. |
| 15:00.27 | asg | lehel: if you compiled it for initrd support and didn't use the debian way, you'll have to manually use mkinitrd |
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| 15:01.03 | poppor | fbi: I install packages using root but when I want to run them I need to log in as a user..how is it supposed to work? |
| 15:01.41 | asg | poppor: /msg dpkg unix lessons |
| 15:01.49 | lehel | i downloaded the kernel-headers[image]-2.6.8-686.. can i use that? |
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| 15:02.08 | lehel | i "apt-get"-ed |
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| 15:02.39 | asg | lehel: I thought you said you compiled your own? |
| 15:02.40 | xoz | lehel: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 15:03.31 | xoz | lehel: but you should just use the debian compiled kernel unless you have a good reason not to. |
| 15:03.39 | poppor | asg: it didn't answer my question really :) |
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| 15:03.53 | asg | poppor: the last item. Don't be root unless you have to |
| 15:03.59 | lehel | xoz, ok |
| 15:04.08 | poppor | asg: yes, but when don't I have to be ? |
| 15:04.23 | asg | poppor: all the time unless something you need to do requires root |
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| 15:05.03 | poppor | asg: one question though.. if root can do anything.. how come I must be a user to startup simple X programs ? |
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| 15:05.36 | asg | poppor: because root hasn't been told how to access the user's xserver. /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 15:05.46 | thc | ok, if my ip resolves to a hostname, but that hostname doesn't resolve to an ip, does that mean it's not reversing? i need to know what to scream when i call my isp |
| 15:05.53 | thc | it takes me 5 minutes to ssh into anything |
| 15:06.14 | thingfish | poppor: the idea is, you log in as user and do most everything as user. When the need arises to do something as root, you open a terminal, type su and give it root's password, and then do your root thing. |
| 15:06.24 | thingfish | hehe thc I like your nick. |
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| 15:06.31 | thc | me too! |
| 15:06.34 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:06.39 | syntaxx | after playing games thru wine my desktop resolution changed when i closed the game.. need to restart X inorder to bring back the original resolution |
| 15:06.43 | gothtec | asg: think you could help me a bit with xmodmap? it's all new to me and I have some trouble understanding it. What I need is to have ctrl and alt, when pressed together, act like the Alt Gr key, which returns "keycode 113 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift)" in xev... |
| 15:06.57 | syntaxx | is it normal? or is that an error? |
| 15:06.59 | xoz | poppor: use sudo to have root authorization |
| 15:07.01 | thingfish | could you break me off a chunk of yourself, thc? I'm fresh out. |
| 15:07.20 | thc | thingfish: i can when my delivery arrives |
| 15:07.25 | poppor | Ok, I get the point. Thanks all |
| 15:07.25 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 15:09.14 | asg | gothtec: xmodmap -e 'keysym Super_L = Multi_key' (that's what I use to map the Windows key to be the compose key) |
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| 15:10.06 | xoz | or try keycode 117 = Multi_key |
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| 15:10.40 | ZeeGeek | why does libcrypt11-dev depend on xlibmesa-gl-dev? I tried to install libcrypt11-dev, but it failed because of unmet dependency |
| 15:11.35 | asg | !find libcrypt11-dev |
| 15:11.37 | xoz | !depends libcrypt11-dev |
| 15:11.46 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libcrypt11-dev' returned no results. |
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| 15:11.58 | asg | ZeeGeek: what debian version are you running? |
| 15:12.11 | ZeeGeek | asg: sarge |
| 15:12.11 | stew | !depends libgcrypt11-dev |
| 15:12.15 | dpkg | libgcrypt11-dev: depends on libgcrypt11 (= 1.2.1-4), libc6-dev | libc-dev, libgpg-error-dev |
| 15:12.16 | asg | !find libcrypt11-dev sarge |
| 15:12.26 | nvz | asg: oh its a sandwitch. roast beef, on bread.. fries, gravy.. mmm |
| 15:12.39 | asg | nvz: ah, chip butty with extras. Nice. |
| 15:12.46 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libcrypt11-dev' returned no results. |
| 15:12.52 | nvz | I hope the roast beef is still good it was roasted earlier this week |
| 15:12.56 | asg | ZeeGeek: it doesn't exist in sarge |
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| 15:13.13 | jc_ | good afternoon |
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| 15:13.30 | asg | ZeeGeek: libxcrypt-dev, however, does |
| 15:13.37 | jc_ | Please , anybody uses mark packets with iptables for bandwidht control ? |
| 15:13.47 | asg | ZeeGeek: as well as libgcrypt11-dev |
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| 15:14.04 | ZeeGeek | asg: seems like it happens to every package I'm trying to install, I tried libcrypto++-dev also |
| 15:14.08 | asg | jc_: no but #iptables and lartc.org are good places to look |
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| 15:14.30 | ZeeGeek | asg: and the same dependency problem came |
| 15:14.32 | xoz | ZeeGeek: you have broken package... try to fix by apt-get update.. then upgrade |
| 15:14.35 | asg | ZeeGeek: are you sure you only have sarge sources? No backports, not testing/etch, no unstable, no crap from uBuntu |
| 15:15.05 | ZeeGeek | asg: hmm...guess not, is there any way to make sure? |
| 15:15.12 | nvz | I'd take one of these over even the finest of steaks any day. though I dont like how some resturants seemingly take thin deli sliced roast beef and call that a hot roast beef sandwitch. I like big slices of real fresh roasted beef |
| 15:15.19 | ZeeGeek | xoz: aight, I'll try |
| 15:15.19 | asg | ZeeGeek: look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:15.38 | liable | nvz: over a rib eye fillet even? |
| 15:15.40 | secher | nvz: please stop, you're making me hungry. |
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| 15:15.55 | MrParity | hi ho :-) |
| 15:15.57 | asg | secher: he won't, he's very vocal about his meat |
| 15:16.02 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:16.06 | thingfish | mine too |
| 15:16.09 | ZeeGeek | asg: all stable except one with stable and updates |
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| 15:16.26 | asg | ZeeGeek: updates? You mean security? |
| 15:16.27 | thingfish | if I could find a place around here that made a decent hot roast beef sandwich, I'd get one for lunch. |
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| 15:16.30 | ZeeGeek | asg: and that's the security.debian.org one |
| 15:16.33 | ZeeGeek | asg: yeah |
| 15:16.36 | xoz | ZeeGeek: try dpkg --pending --configure |
| 15:16.51 | asg | ZeeGeek: then follow xoz's advice |
| 15:16.55 | xoz | ZeeGeek: and apt-get -f install |
| 15:17.13 | nvz | yeah the roast was definatly past its prime. spend too long in the fridge. I hope I dont get sick :P |
| 15:17.15 | ZeeGeek | xoz: errors were encountered |
| 15:17.38 | ZeeGeek | xoz: xfree86-common, xlibmesa-gl-dev, xlibmesa-glu-dev, libsdl1.2-dev |
| 15:17.46 | xoz | ZeeGeek: you have to fix that error or remove the package causing the error before you can proceed installing other packages |
| 15:17.52 | secher | does apt or dpkg have a tie-in to a dictionary? |
| 15:17.52 | nvz | even if I do, its worth it |
| 15:17.56 | thingfish | nvz: even if you made it a week ago, if you left it covered in the fridge, it should be OK. |
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| 15:18.22 | ZeeGeek | xoz: oops, if I remove xfree86-common, will the X break? |
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| 15:18.34 | thingfish | unless, of course, you let the roast beef sit out at room temperature for several hours before you put it away. |
| 15:18.37 | gothtec | xoz: would it be possible to do "keycode 37 + keycode 34 = keycode 113" in some way, then? |
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| 15:18.41 | xoz | ZeeGeek: most likely |
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| 15:18.54 | nvz | thingfish: its probably been in there since monday or tuesday. 4-5 days. just seemed really dried out, was the last slice. I had to shred it up to make it strech :P |
| 15:19.03 | jc_ | ok asg thank you |
| 15:19.08 | thingfish | nvz: you should be fine. |
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| 15:19.12 | gothtec | xoz: 37+64, i mean. ctrl+alt |
| 15:19.12 | xoz | ZeeGeek: fix that one and remove the less important one causing trouble |
| 15:19.40 | ZeeGeek | xoz: how to know what's causing the error with xfree86 |
| 15:19.42 | secher | nvz: well it's too late now in any case, do don't worry, you'll know soon enough. <grin> |
| 15:19.51 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:20.01 | xoz | gothtec: you may... check the man page... or i think google will have answers. im sure you are not the only one who needs that thingy to work. |
| 15:20.37 | brosioz | anyone have k3b and dvd pioneer 110D i can burn only 2x with support 8x dvd-r anyone could help ? |
| 15:20.47 | secher | !dictionary |
| 15:20.49 | nvz | thingfish: yeah considering this is all that was left. I could put myself into the hospital when it comes to this stuff. Be in there getting my stomach pumped out and fighting with the nurse to get it back so I can enjoy it again :P |
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| 15:20.58 | xoz | ZeeGeek: what's the main error when you try dpkg --pending --configure? |
| 15:21.04 | thingfish | hehe nvz you're a nut. |
| 15:21.11 | xoz | ZeeGeek: dont paste... just describe |
| 15:21.18 | yoel | hello. How can I update my KDE 3.3 to the new one?.. I can't find the new ver on aptitude... |
| 15:21.26 | ZeeGeek | xoz: okay, a sec |
| 15:21.28 | nvz | I know. Just thought I would let you know ;) |
| 15:21.32 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:21.36 | secher | dpkg dict troll |
| 15:21.40 | dpkg | Dictionary 'troll' (2 of 28): . 151 "troll" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" troll ;; . Troll \Troll\, v. i. 1. To roll; to run about; to move around; as, to troll in a coach and six.. |
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| 15:22.42 | xoz | !qball what's your prediction? |
| 15:22.42 | dpkg | the atmosphere is gray |
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| 15:23.00 | gothtec | xoz: I've found loads of examples on google. the problem is finding an example where pressing two keys should equal a third, which doesn't seem usual |
| 15:23.04 | ZeeGeek | xoz: the first error that came up was when update-rc.d trying to update /etc/init.d/xfree86-common because it exists |
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| 15:23.13 | valdyn | yoel: are you using sarge? |
| 15:23.34 | ZeeGeek | xoz: so the subprocess post-installation script returned error |
| 15:23.35 | secher | Damn, need to look for food. Thanks nvz. <grin> |
| 15:24.07 | xoz | ZeeGeek: dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/xfree*.deb |
| 15:24.13 | yoel | valdyn: yes |
| 15:24.39 | valdyn | yoel: sarge is debian's stable release, it does never get new versions. Did you look at backports.org yet? |
| 15:25.05 | yoel | valdyn: what is backports.org? |
| 15:25.22 | valdyn | yoel: http://www.backports.org/ |
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| 15:25.33 | ZeeGeek | xoz: file does not exist |
| 15:25.36 | nvz | all you need is a bow and arrows around here and you got yourself a burger. there are deer everywhere in this town. people all over town feed them. our deer are all tame and shit 5 of them will walk right up to your door in mid day. you could probably get one with just a knife. they are too friendly to run. |
| 15:25.37 | yoel | valdyn: Ok.. i'll check it out... thanks... |
| 15:26.16 | Ungy | nvz start giving away deer hunter to all the local kids |
| 15:26.22 | xoz | ZeeGeek: try apt-get install xfree86-common |
| 15:26.23 | valdyn | !kde 3.4 |
| 15:26.23 | dpkg | KDE Version 3.4 is currently in sid; ask me about <why is kdebase not in testing> if you want to know when it will reach testing. |
| 15:26.34 | valdyn | !kde |
| 15:26.34 | dpkg | [kde] a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.2. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
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| 15:26.43 | brosioz | anyone have k3b and dvd pioneer 110D i can burn only 2x with support 8x dvd-r anyone could help ? |
| 15:27.11 | yoel | valdyn: arrg.. I don't get it.. it says kde 3.4.2 is stable.. so , why can't i use it? |
| 15:27.12 | nvz | I never ate deer meat myself. But people tell me its good. I cant bring myself to eat bambi. even if her family is overpopulating the area |
| 15:27.15 | ZeeGeek | xoz: it said that it's already the newest version and unmet dependency because of xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 15:27.19 | blindboygrunt | ls |
| 15:27.38 | valdyn | yoel: the kde people say that kde 3.4 is stable, that does not mean that kde 3.4 is in debina/stable |
| 15:27.49 | xoz | ZeeGeek: can you try apt-get remove xlibmesa-gl-dev? check how many related packages will be removed. |
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| 15:28.06 | Ungy | nvz that is ok if you give copies of deer hunter to the local kids they will take care fo the over population and you don;t hav eto get your hands dirty |
| 15:28.16 | yoel | valdyn: So.. you said it isn't a good idea to check it out... |
| 15:28.40 | valdyn | yoel: no, i didnt say that. |
| 15:28.51 | xoz | !provides libcrypt11-dev |
| 15:29.02 | xoz | !provides xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 15:29.07 | yoel | valdyn: Hmm.. ok.. |
| 15:29.08 | dpkg | xlibmesa-gl-dev: libgl-dev |
| 15:29.12 | yoel | valdyn: thanks.. |
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| 15:29.31 | ZeeGeek | xoz: unmet dependency because of xlibmesa-glu-dev depends xlibmesa-gl-dev but it is not going to be installed or libgl-dev |
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| 15:30.03 | xoz | ZeeGeek: remove xlibmesa-glu-dev |
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| 15:30.10 | valdyn | yoel: since kde 3.4 isnt on backports.org yet, i dont know a 'good' way to get it for sarge, you could backport the sid packages packages yourself, but i would think thrice before considering that |
| 15:30.44 | error403 | I know this is probably a pointless question... but how do i go about writing drivers for media buttons on a mouse? |
| 15:30.49 | ZeeGeek | xoz: dependencies again: libsdl1.2-dev and xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 15:30.51 | error403 | and good howto's etc? |
| 15:31.05 | xoz | ZeeGeek: or try to remove any trace of xlibmesa.... until you have a clean dependency. you will not be able to install other progs if you cannot fix this. |
| 15:31.22 | nvz | man I was all excited this morning thinking "oh its friday, no more work." then I realized I still have to work tonight then I get the weekend off :-/ |
| 15:31.28 | nvz | I guess its bedtime now :P |
| 15:31.34 | ZeeGeek | xoz: and remove libsdl also? |
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| 15:32.01 | CalibanDNS | I'm having a problem copying files >2GB to a SMB share on a debian 3.1 box; I can create >2GB files on the partition with dd, so it's not a limit of the filesystem; has anyone seen this before? Is this a samba limitation? |
| 15:32.21 | xoz | ZeeGeek: are you using some pinning in your /etc/apt/preferences ? yes, remove those that it complains until you have a clean deps. you can fix others later. try to follow the errors it spits out. |
| 15:32.39 | KillBot | http://com2.runboard.com/bthefunhouse2 runboard chat open |
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| 15:33.00 | valdyn | CalibanDNS: copying from which OS |
| 15:33.04 | ZeeGeek | xoz: no, I don't have /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 15:33.23 | xoz | ZeeGeek: so just remove those with missing deps. are you using etch? |
| 15:33.38 | CalibanDNS | valdyn: from 2 linux boxes, one RH9.x and one other deb 3.1, haven't tried from a win box yet |
| 15:33.40 | ZeeGeek | xoz: no |
| 15:33.45 | xoz | ZeeGeek: stable? |
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| 15:34.09 | ZeeGeek | xoz: yeah, sarge |
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| 15:34.37 | xoz | ZeeGeek: have you updated and upgraded recently? it seems strange you have this missing deps unless you have mix sources. |
| 15:34.56 | xoz | *mixed* |
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| 15:35.15 | bop1 | any idea how can i send mail from the command line assuming i have all the headers/data in a file? |
| 15:35.38 | xoz | mail <user> < file |
| 15:36.09 | xoz | or man mail |
| 15:36.19 | ZeeGeek | xoz: hmm...I have that xfree86-common one a long time ago, but I ignored it. the xlibmesa one is new. the /etc/apt/source.list said all stable |
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| 15:36.42 | MickMcMack | Hullo? |
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| 15:36.54 | ZeeGeek | xoz: hold on, maybe I installed xorg from an unstable source |
| 15:36.55 | xoz | ZeeGeek: and you updated and upgraded? try dist-upgrade. |
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| 15:37.16 | ZeeGeek | xoz: cuz I use ATI mobility video card |
| 15:37.21 | xoz | ZeeGeek: try dist-upgrade then. |
| 15:37.21 | valdyn | CalibanDNS: im not sure what the error is, samba is able to deal with files of that size, if you can try mounting the share as cifs instead of smbfs |
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| 15:38.30 | xoz | ZeeGeek: the other errors are side-effects of this missing dependency. |
| 15:38.30 | MickMcMack | What was the Debian amd_64 channel, please? |
| 15:38.30 | CalibanDNS | valdyn: thanks, I'll give that a shot |
| 15:38.30 | tremor | CalibanDNS: did you try the lfs option? |
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| 15:38.32 | MrParity | i want to install debian in uml. my idea was to download a debian cd and install something like basedebs.tar. but htere is no basedebs.tar in sarge. any better idea? |
| 15:38.36 | CalibanDNS | tremor: lfs option on what? I'm not sure what you mean |
| 15:38.52 | valdyn | CalibanDNS: cifs is better overall too anyway, ( as far as i can say with my somewhat limited experience ) |
| 15:38.57 | ZeeGeek | xoz: damn, apt-get dist-upgrade said unmet dependency cuz of xlibmesa |
| 15:39.01 | tremor | CalibanDNS: something like that: mount -t smbfs -o lfs //server/share /localdir |
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| 15:39.23 | CalibanDNS | tremor: no, I'll give that a shot if cifs doesn't work |
| 15:39.41 | caphuso | MrParity: loop mount the file that contains your UML filesystem and use debootstrap |
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| 15:39.53 | brosioz | how could i enable dma on my dvd recorder /dev/hda ? |
| 15:40.09 | znx | brosioz: hdparm.. /etc/conf.d/hdparm |
| 15:40.13 | xoz | ZeeGeek: what about apt-get remove xlibmesa-* +) |
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| 15:40.21 | valdyn | brosioz: its normally on by default, if its not the most common reason would be missing support for your disk controller |
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| 15:40.51 | brosioz | znx, hdparm it's tool dor hd |
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| 15:41.43 | valdyn | brosioz: nah, hdparm is primarily a tool to 'tune' your disk controller. |
| 15:41.49 | znx | brosioz: look again.. oh |
| 15:41.49 | xoz | ZeeGeek: here's a hack. change the status of xlibmesa in /var/lib/dpkg/status to installed... same with other files that have problems... then dist-upgrade |
| 15:42.12 | ZeeGeek | xoz: aight |
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| 15:42.17 | abrotman | nvz: feed me! |
| 15:42.35 | sgeigerbot | A friend of mine has a pendrive/jumpdrive/usb memory stick that he doesn't know how to mount on a certain machine because "tail -f /var/log/syslog" does not give him any output like this: Oct 14 10:39:06 localhost kernel: SCSI device sda: 781422768 512-byte hdwr sectors (400088 MB) ...and he verified that he cannot access it with /dev/sda. So, what needs to be added to the kernel config to allow access to such devices from |
| 15:42.35 | sgeigerbot | /dev/sda ? |
| 15:42.45 | xfoxx | holy molly!!!, whats this supposed to mean??,, checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 15:42.53 | sgeigerbot | (SCSI support, of course...but what exactly?) |
| 15:43.07 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: usb storage support |
| 15:43.07 | drac | xfoxx: Install 'x-window-system-dev' to get includes. |
| 15:43.13 | brosioz | anyway exist a way to active dma on my dvdrecorder without hdparm ? |
| 15:43.16 | xfoxx | drac, thank you |
| 15:43.21 | sgeigerbot | valdyn: Do you know which CONFIG items that is? |
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| 15:43.31 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: ill have a look |
| 15:43.35 | MrParity | caphuso: ok, thx. i will try it |
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| 15:43.52 | valdyn | sgeigerbot: CONFIG_USB_STORAGE=m |
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| 15:45.06 | xfoxx | how can i add my system stats bar to my desktop?? |
| 15:45.21 | xfoxx | ive tried almost all and it doesnt work..... help please >_> |
| 15:45.29 | valdyn | xfoxx: how are we supposed to know what youi define as "system stats bar" ? |
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| 15:45.44 | sgeigerbot | valdyn: that's what I was thinking, too. Thanks for confirmation. |
| 15:45.44 | xfoxx | waldy, cpu, ram process etx... |
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| 15:46.05 | xoz | xfoxx: ^^ |
| 15:46.28 | xfoxx | xoz, =) i know thats a bad thing =) |
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| 15:46.42 | valdyn | xfoxx: is xoz guessing good? im not going to bother.. |
| 15:46.49 | krassy56 | my isp do not have dns what i have to do ? |
| 15:46.51 | ZeeGeek | xoz: I've changed them all to "install ok installed" but dist-upgrade still saying unmet dependency cuz of xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 15:46.54 | xoz | !info gkrellm |
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| 15:47.04 | valdyn | krassy56: that's hardly true |
| 15:47.05 | dpkg | gkrellm: (multiple stacked system monitors: 1 process [client]), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.2.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 408 kB, Installed size: 988 kB |
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| 15:47.56 | xoz | ZeeGeek: create a dummy xlibmesa-gl-dev in status... just follow the content of some files there... |
| 15:48.17 | krassy56 | my isp do not have dns what i have to do ? |
| 15:48.19 | jass | hi, i'm really new to linux and aching to learn, I need a script to run on every start of my server, what should I look for? inetd? |
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| 15:48.34 | xoz | ZeeGeek: and fool dpkg by using installed in its status |
| 15:48.38 | petemc | jass: read the faq |
| 15:48.44 | valdyn | jass: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 15:49.04 | jass | petemc, valdyn, thnks |
| 15:49.09 | valdyn | jass: what do you really want to achieve with this script though? |
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| 15:49.47 | CalibanDNS | krassy56: find a DNS server that you can use, run your own DNS server (bind), or switch to an ISP that doesn't suck (what ISP doesn't provide DNS?) |
| 15:49.52 | jass | valdyn, its an executable actually, I have a dynamical IP and it's just a dynamic name server client, dynserv.net |
| 15:50.10 | xoz | what's a way to create a dummy package? |
| 15:50.21 | valdyn | jass: debian has a package for that, secondly its not really a good way to update the IP on 'boot' |
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| 15:50.35 | valdyn | jass: it should be run when the interface comes up |
| 15:50.38 | krassy56 | why my just compiled custom kernel do not boot ? |
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| 15:50.43 | Bongle | can you comment out in the passwd file? |
| 15:50.54 | Bongle | i.e. could i have #username if i wanted to disable a user? |
| 15:51.00 | Bongle | or would that just break the file? |
| 15:51.01 | valdyn | jass: /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 15:51.05 | dorto | when i was installing cvs, debian configurator prompted me to create a cvsroot directory and set it up. i did not do the same when i installed subversion. so can i safely assume that no repository was created for subversion and create one on my own(manually)? |
| 15:51.09 | ZeeGeek | xoz: the entry xlibmesa-gl-dev is there already and I've changed the Status to "install ok installed" |
| 15:51.12 | liable | Bongle: why not just use deluser? |
| 15:51.22 | valdyn | jass: scripts in there are run when the interface comes up |
| 15:51.27 | dorto | s/i did not do/it did not do |
| 15:51.29 | xoz | ZeeGeek: then, how is dist-upgrade holding? |
| 15:51.38 | Bongle | because i might want to re=enable them |
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| 15:51.58 | ZeeGeek | xoz: I mean i've changed it before my previous dist-upgrade |
| 15:52.02 | valdyn | jass: but maybe you're dialing in via ppp, that would make this /etc/ppp/if-ip-up.d/ |
| 15:52.04 | ZeeGeek | xoz: still no luck |
| 15:52.05 | jass | valdyn: okay, so I should just make a skript which runs the executable with the parameters I need and put it in jass: /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 15:52.07 | xoz | ZeeGeek: don't update yet... otherwise, your changes will be erased. just upgrade or dist-upgrade |
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| 15:52.17 | jass | no ppp |
| 15:52.21 | valdyn | jass: how are you connecting to your isp? |
| 15:52.28 | xoz | ZeeGeek: what's the error? |
| 15:52.39 | ZeeGeek | xoz: unmet dependencies: xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 15:53.07 | ZeeGeek | xoz: Depends: xlibmesa-gl (= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 is installed |
| 15:53.09 | jass | valdyn: um, via a cable modem, but I have a router that gives the IP to the debian machine |
| 15:53.11 | xoz | ZeeGeek: erase the dependencies of xlibmesa-gl-dev in the status file |
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| 15:53.34 | xoz | ZeeGeek: or lower the version from the one you have. |
| 15:53.37 | valdyn | jass: oh, cant your router update your dynamic dns, that device *should* do that |
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| 15:53.43 | Hohlraum | trying to install sarge on a netra t105. everything looks great until I get to the partion wizard. It shows the disk and the full 9.1 GB .. but as soon as I try to create a parition it lowers the total disk size to 2 GB. #debian-sparc is kinda dead today. |
| 15:54.02 | xoz | ZeeGeek: this is a fooling game. but you'll learn how to play with it to make your deps *clean* |
| 15:54.02 | Xenguy | Hi - I want to load the line 'xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap' when X runs, but including the line in .xinitrc appeared to have no effect, and in .xsession it killed my gdm/gnome environment -- any suggestions on how to load this 1-liner (is there a generic gnome config file for this?) ? |
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| 15:54.36 | valdyn | jass: your statements looks like that device you call 'router' isnt really one ( since its 'giving the ip' ), i cant tell from here. |
| 15:54.47 | ZeeGeek | xoz: I erased the dependencies and dist-upgrade is going to upgrade now, a lot of packages |
| 15:54.54 | xoz | ZeeGeek: hehe |
| 15:54.54 | krassy56 | what command in konsole shows ip address ? |
| 15:54.58 | jass | valdyn, i'm not sure the router's IP keeps changing, thats what I need to update once in a while with dyndns.com and the router routes all traffic to http, ftp and ssh to the debian machine |
| 15:55.06 | xoz | ZeeGeek: you really have many old files |
| 15:55.10 | Xenguy | krassy56: ifconfig |
| 15:55.22 | jass | valdyn: and the deb machine doesnt have a public IP address |
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| 15:55.30 | ZeeGeek | xoz: yeah, I haven't upgraded since my installation |
| 15:55.33 | xoz | ZeeGeek: go for it. |
| 15:55.43 | ZeeGeek | xoz: so it'll be all right after upgrade? |
| 15:55.44 | CalibanDNS | valdyn: I do something similar and I just run it as a cron job (instead of at boot time) |
| 15:55.47 | jass | valdyn: I dont know if its a router or a switch, I really cant tell the difference |
| 15:55.51 | xoz | ZeeGeek: it will become a reall *stable* |
| 15:55.56 | xoz | *real* |
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| 15:56.00 | CalibanDNS | valdyn: ignore that, that was meant for jass |
| 15:56.03 | valdyn | jass: ok, then updating dyndns.org should really be done by your router, even most real cheap ones can do that. |
| 15:56.06 | akrus | hello |
| 15:56.08 | ZeeGeek | xoz: thanx a lot! |
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| 15:56.21 | xoz | ZeeGeek: right now, you have old sarge... after that you will have stable. |
| 15:56.23 | akrus | could someone recommend me european mirror of ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 15:56.25 | valdyn | CalibanDNS: dyndns.org would kick you if you did that. |
| 15:56.29 | ZeeGeek | xoz: cool |
| 15:56.36 | CalibanDNS | valdyn: it's a monthly cron job ;-) |
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| 15:56.41 | akrus | which up2date |
| 15:56.48 | valdyn | CalibanDNS: oh, i see |
| 15:56.50 | CalibanDNS | valdyn: my IP address hasn't changed in almost 8 months |
| 15:56.54 | jass | valdyn: okay, i'll check as soon as I'l get access to it, I have none now |
| 15:56.58 | xoz | ZeeGeek: np... good luck and see you next time. |
| 15:56.59 | Jaccon | hi good morning ... |
| 15:57.16 | Jaccon | my name is Andre Jaccon the PC Magazine BR |
| 15:57.16 | ZeeGeek | xoz: see you :) |
| 15:57.29 | CalibanDNS | mounting my SMB share with -o lfs solved the >2GB file size limit, thanks everyone |
| 15:57.33 | valdyn | jass: your debian box doesnt even have a 'good' way to figure the public ip |
| 15:57.37 | jass | valdyn: thanks, I'll look into init.d stuff for now |
| 15:57.39 | Jaccon | i need install the Sarge in Dell Power Edge 850 |
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| 15:57.46 | brosioz | setting using_dma to 1 (on) |
| 15:57.47 | brosioz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.47 | brosioz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.53 | akrus | hm, does someone use debian's apt-get here? :D |
| 15:57.55 | brosioz | anyone could help ? |
| 15:57.56 | Jaccon | but the sarge dont found the disk drives |
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| 15:58.03 | Jaccon | please help ... |
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| 15:58.16 | Jaccon | i try kernel 2.6.8 and 2.4.27 |
| 15:58.22 | jass | valdyn: the dyndns client does that |
| 15:58.26 | Hohlraum | Jaccon: what kinda controller? |
| 15:58.28 | pif | hi, I'd like to define F13 to F24 keys by shifting F1 to F12 |
| 15:58.37 | Jaccon | the SATA controller ... |
| 15:58.39 | valdyn | jass: ah, neat |
| 15:58.40 | jass | probably by cheking whats the IP the request ise coming from |
| 15:58.48 | Jaccon | the OS dont found the module ... |
| 15:58.56 | Hohlraum | Jaccon: check out linux.dell.com |
| 15:59.05 | jass | valdyn: but thanks a lot |
| 15:59.07 | pif | where are the x-window keymaps defined? |
| 15:59.14 | Hohlraum | Jaccon: there is a mailling list.. lots of those guys use debian. |
| 15:59.35 | akrus | could someone cat /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:59.35 | EdibleText | akrus, ftp.{de,uk,it,nl,etc..}.debian.org |
| 15:59.47 | akrus | EdibleText: ftp.ru.debian.org is very very old |
| 15:59.52 | Jaccon | ok i look this .... thanks ... |
| 15:59.55 | akrus | .us <-- ~150 kb/sec. |
| 16:00.05 | Hohlraum | Jaccon |
| 16:00.09 | valdyn | akrus: why and what for? |
| 16:00.17 | akrus | valdyn: for me :) |
| 16:00.24 | Hohlraum | Jaccon: do you have it set to raid in the Bios? |
| 16:00.24 | akrus | I have 100 mbit |
| 16:00.34 | akrus | and 150k is very slow :'( |
| 16:00.36 | EdibleText | akrus, the TLD country codes should work |
| 16:00.48 | akrus | ok |
| 16:00.52 | valdyn | akrus: you have 100mbit uplink? you're korean? |
| 16:00.57 | akrus | valdyn: russia |
| 16:00.58 | Jaccon | no i don't ... |
| 16:01.04 | valdyn | akrus: geez |
| 16:01.07 | akrus | :) |
| 16:01.13 | akrus | well |
| 16:01.19 | Jaccon | my Power Edge 850 dont make raid via hardware ... |
| 16:01.19 | Hohlraum | Jaccon: are you sure? .. boot into the bios and tell me what it sez for the SATA Operation setting |
| 16:01.24 | akrus | belgium's mirrors should work fine |
| 16:01.34 | akrus | something like belnet... |
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| 16:01.39 | Jaccon | ok thanks .... |
| 16:01.44 | Hohlraum | Jaccon: almost all SATA controllers support BIOS Raid. double check for me. |
| 16:01.46 | valdyn | akrus: debian is mirrored by kernel.org, that mirror is really fast, doubt it the line in between is good enough though |
| 16:02.06 | akrus | valdyn: mirrors.kernel.org |
| 16:02.08 | akrus | ? |
| 16:02.20 | valdyn | akrus: i guess |
| 16:02.26 | akrus | ok, I'll try |
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| 16:02.52 | pem3v78 | how can I display system dns cache ? |
| 16:02.57 | Squirrelplayingt | I'm trying to install wine, so I did apt-get install wine and everything went ok. But I don't have a ~/.wine/config file. The documentation says it should be in the documentation folder of the source tree but I can't find it. i even downloaded a tar.gz file to look for it but couldnt find it. where would it be? |
| 16:03.29 | valdyn | Squirrelplayingt: did you actually run wine? |
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| 16:03.34 | akrus | nah, it's 95-100 kb/sec.:) |
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| 16:04.00 | valdyn | akrus: its alot better from here ( germany ), so its the line in between you and the server |
| 16:04.05 | Squirrelplayingt | valdyn: i tried to install a game from a cd and it starts to install but hangs a little into it |
| 16:04.08 | akrus | ok, I'll try |
| 16:04.21 | valdyn | Squirrelplayingt: uh, that is quite the norm |
| 16:04.26 | bop1 | anyone know how do i clean the quoue in sendmail? |
| 16:04.29 | valdyn | Squirrelplayingt: wine isnt even close to perfect |
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| 16:04.35 | akrus | yeah 450 kb/sec. |
| 16:04.55 | Squirrelplayingt | oy |
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| 16:05.02 | norskfjord | bedtime, cyas |
| 16:05.17 | c00r | :) |
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| 16:05.30 | valdyn | Squirrelplayingt: for whatever reasons installers are appearantly hard to get to work on wine / cedega etc |
| 16:06.02 | Squirrelplayingt | valdyn: hmm thanks. ill have to try and find a work around |
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| 16:06.22 | c00r | have a great time norskfjord, cool nick btw :) |
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| 16:07.15 | humbolt | if I put several mirrors in my sources.list file, will they be used simultanously when apt has to download several files? |
| 16:07.24 | valdyn | humbolt: no |
| 16:07.38 | Hohlraum | humbolt: no that would make too much sense. |
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| 16:07.42 | pem3v78 | is there a dns cache in linux ? |
| 16:07.43 | valdyn | humbolt: all on all having several mirrors will just slow you down |
| 16:07.51 | valdyn | humbolt: since apt-get update gets slower |
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| 16:08.06 | humbolt | which one will apt use |
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| 16:09.26 | Karnaugh | hi |
| 16:09.45 | Karnaugh | anyone have much experience with the Intel PRO/1000 ethernet card? |
| 16:10.01 | Karnaugh | I'm wondering if the debian precompiled kernels support it OOB |
| 16:10.09 | Hohlraum | Karnaugh: yes |
| 16:11.07 | Karnaugh | Hohlraum: how well? :P |
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| 16:11.18 | dpy | hi guyssss |
| 16:11.22 | Hohlraum | Karnaugh: intels ethernet chipsets are probably one the best supported in all OSS operating systems |
| 16:11.43 | Karnaugh | Hohlraum: I have a hosted box that I need to change the kernel of, but its 15000Km away from me and I'm a bit nervous about just installing a 2.6.8 kernel and rebooting and praying |
| 16:11.53 | dpy | is there a user tool to install new fonts in debian ? aka drakfont from mandr* ? |
| 16:11.56 | Karnaugh | Hohlraum: ok |
| 16:12.03 | asg | dpy: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 16:12.19 | Hohlraum | Hohlraum: what kernel are you gunna install? a new one you compiled or a debian provided package? |
| 16:12.24 | Hohlraum | oopes Karnaugh: |
| 16:12.34 | jjazz | My office controls access to the VPN through MAC address filtering. If I am behind a router, what MAC address will the VPN server see? The router or my NIC? Thanks. |
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| 16:13.32 | dpy | asg: I take that as a no, a guide is not drakconf --install myfont.ttf |
| 16:14.05 | dpy | drakfont --install myfont.ttf btw |
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| 16:14.39 | arnon | I got message like Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.6.12.3/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_filter.ko |
| 16:14.39 | arnon | : ipt_unregister_table |
| 16:14.39 | arnon | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.39 | arnon | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.39 | arnon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:14.44 | xfoxx | what command can i use to close a frozen program?? |
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| 16:14.56 | chealer_ | xfoxx, kill |
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| 16:15.10 | abrotman | xkill ? |
| 16:15.22 | chealer_ | jjazz, certainly not your NIC'x |
| 16:15.29 | xfoxx | bash: kill: amsn: no such pid |
| 16:15.37 | arnon | I got message like Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.6.12.3/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_filter.ko : ipt_unregister_table, ipt_do_table, ipt_register_table, when I am doing make modules_install, please help |
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| 16:15.40 | Seb | sup yall |
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| 16:15.47 | chealer_ | arnon, why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 16:15.48 | asg | dpy: nafaik |
| 16:15.50 | Seb | xfoxx: killall, |
| 16:15.59 | Seb | xfoxx: or use ps, find the PID, and *kill* that |
| 16:16.06 | arnon | chealer I want to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 16:16.07 | ZeeGeek | what's the status of a installed but not configured package? |
| 16:16.10 | humbolt | are there any plans to implement bittorrent capabilities into apt?? |
| 16:16.21 | Seb | ZeeGeek: "installed, but not configured" :) |
| 16:16.21 | arnon | chealer and I am trying to make it smaller |
| 16:16.22 | xfoxx | Seb, if i use killall will it close all open programs?? |
| 16:16.28 | jjazz | chealer, so if I want to authenticate into the VPN, I guess I should set my router to spoof my NIC's MAC. Thanks. |
| 16:16.30 | Seb | xfoxx: man killall |
| 16:16.32 | humbolt | that definitly would make sense! |
| 16:16.36 | asg | humbolt: ask on the devel mailing lists |
| 16:16.41 | Seb | killall is indeed illnamed, I liked pkill better ;) |
| 16:16.46 | sgeigerbot | humbolt: why? |
| 16:16.50 | ZeeGeek | Seb: yeah, installed but failed when configuring |
| 16:17.08 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: it would make sense in some respsect .. like the recent security.d.o issues |
| 16:17.14 | ZeeGeek | Seb: I remember it's "install ok something" |
| 16:17.18 | chealer_ | arnon, how much RAM do you have on the machine? |
| 16:17.32 | asg | xfoxx: it does that on Solaris iirc, Debian's implementation is a little different |
| 16:17.38 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Was someone injecting packages into the download? |
| 16:17.52 | arnon | chealer_, 2 gb |
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| 16:18.13 | Seb | asg: i got bitten *once* by that. Now I have alias killall=pkill everywhere :> |
| 16:18.19 | chealer_ | jjazz, perhaps, if your router is directly connected to the VPN |
| 16:18.22 | humbolt | sgeigerbot: make mirroring faster (virtually), not heavy load times right after release announcments, ... |
| 16:18.23 | arnon | chealer_, but this is going to be a mysql server, there's going to be a lot of traffic |
| 16:18.48 | asg | Seb: yeah. Also 2.6's rm followed symlinks (that bit me) |
| 16:19.10 | chealer_ | arnon, still, why don't you build from debian sources? |
| 16:19.15 | Seb | asg: heheh |
| 16:19.25 | jjazz | chealer, I think I'm a little confused. My sysadmin is out until next week, and I'm stuck at home with no way to get into the office network. I'll see if I can figure it out. Thanks. |
| 16:19.40 | Seb | arnon: s/traffic/data lost/ |
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| 16:20.46 | arnon | chealer_, compile from debian sources ? |
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| 16:21.20 | Seb | arnon: debian kernel sources |
| 16:21.33 | chealer_ | arnon, did you get your kernel sources from kernel.org? |
| 16:21.46 | arnon | chealer_, yes I download it from kernel.org |
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| 16:22.11 | chealer_ | arnon, at least use Debian sources instead unless you have a good reason |
| 16:22.30 | chealer_ | and build them the debian way |
| 16:22.44 | arnon | chealer_, ok |
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| 16:26.43 | sgeigerbot | humbolt: Ah, good idea. Definitely stir up some interest on the development mailing lists! |
| 16:26.58 | sgeigerbot | humbolt: And, as abrotman suggested, security would likely be enhanced by it. |
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| 16:27.05 | abrotman | i did? |
| 16:27.16 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: no .. the lag |
| 16:27.17 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: <abrotman> sgeigerbot: it would make sense in some respsect .. like the recent security.d.o issues |
| 16:27.29 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: no .. the security.d.o was getting crushed by load |
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| 16:27.31 | asg | sgeigerbot: he was referring to load there though |
| 16:27.31 | Seb | security.do.o issues, not security issues |
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| 16:27.42 | sgeigerbot | ah. |
| 16:27.44 | jjazz | sgeigerbot, I think he's referring to when s.d.o crapped out, not a security issue. |
| 16:28.00 | sgeigerbot | You guys have to remember: I don't get out much. |
| 16:28.01 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 16:28.09 | Seb | heh, abrotman's got bodyguards all over the place :> |
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| 16:28.17 | abrotman | !win me |
| 16:28.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 16:28.28 | asg | !qotd12 |
| 16:28.28 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
| 16:29.02 | sgeigerbot | asg: idiocy |
| 16:29.17 | initiate | i have a problem |
| 16:29.20 | asg | haven't seen him in a while |
| 16:29.29 | Seb | asg: who that ? |
| 16:29.38 | initiate | when i try to log in as SU i get this "setgid: Operation not permitted" |
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| 16:29.54 | Seb | initiate: on *debian* ? |
| 16:29.57 | initiate | when i try to log in as root it says that my password doesn't match |
| 16:30.05 | initiate | Seb, yes debian sarge |
| 16:30.09 | sgeigerbot | initiate: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 23448 Jul 2 2004 /bin/su |
| 16:30.09 | slept | I want to migrate my server from a k7 to a Pentium 3, its a file and dhcp server, is there something else than getting an other kernel image I have to keep an eye on ? |
| 16:30.12 | Seb | initiate: youprobably don't know the root password then |
| 16:30.23 | sgeigerbot | initiate: if you don't see the "s" in "-rws" then you have a problem. |
| 16:30.27 | Seb | slept: shouldn't be |
| 16:30.36 | thespiritoftal | anyone knows how to use p0f? |
| 16:30.51 | sgeigerbot | thespiritoftal: sudo mkdir /etc/p0f; sudo cp /etc/p0f.fp /etc/p0f/p0f.fp |
| 16:30.54 | Seb | dpkg, tell thespiritoftal about sicco |
| 16:30.56 | initiate | bash: -rwsr-xr-x: command not found |
| 16:31.02 | Seb | heheh |
| 16:31.15 | Seb | initiate: ls -l /bin/su |
| 16:31.21 | ZeeGeek | is there a list of all the valid status of a package? |
| 16:31.25 | initiate | Seb, i do know the root password,it's my desktop and i was logging in normally since i installed it |
| 16:31.42 | Seb | initiate: so since when doesn't it work ? |
| 16:31.45 | initiate | that's what i get |
| 16:31.46 | initiate | -rwxr-xr-x 1 initiate root 23368 2005-09-30 21:07 /bin/su |
| 16:31.53 | sgeigerbot | thespiritoftal: /usr/sbin/p0f -i eth1 > tempp0f.txt 2>&1 |
| 16:31.59 | Seb | initiate: what did *you* do that make it not work anymore ? |
| 16:32.00 | initiate | Seb, since yesterday evening |
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| 16:32.26 | initiate | Seb, i removed gcc and installed it again ... after the next reboot it didn't want to work |
| 16:32.30 | roler | can someone help me in VIm ? I want to delete all lines that contain a certain text phrase |
| 16:32.58 | Seb | roler: perl -i.bak -npe 's/.*the phrase.*//' thefile |
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| 16:33.22 | xfoxx | what is this supposed to mean, configure: WARNING: libjpeg not found. disable JPEG support. |
| 16:33.22 | xfoxx | ?? |
| 16:33.23 | initiate | Seb: i also did apt-get update/upgrade and tried to compile a new kernel with kernel-package |
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| 16:33.39 | asg | xfoxx: are you compiling something? |
| 16:33.46 | Seb | xfoxx: apt-cache search libjpeg, and install the -dev package if you want tsupport for it. |
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| 16:33.54 | Seb | xfoxx: dude, you need to stop compiling shit on debian, really |
| 16:33.55 | initiate | but i saw i got an error and i've found after a google search that gcc-4.0(what i have) gives this error and they recommend to use 3.3 instead |
| 16:33.59 | jjazz | roler, perhaps you want something like :%s/^.*phrase.*$// |
| 16:34.23 | Seb | initiate: you use pure sarge, no testing or unstable packages, right ? |
| 16:34.33 | EdibleText | roler, hit ":" 1,$s/badphrase//g |
| 16:34.36 | error403 | I know this is probably a pointless question... but how do i go about writing drivers for media buttons on a mouse? Any good articles to point me in the right direction |
| 16:34.49 | initiate | Seb, debian gnu 3.1 sarge ... is what i use (i`m quite new in linux) |
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| 16:35.30 | roler | thanks guys |
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| 16:35.53 | Seb | initiate: what kernel ? |
| 16:36.08 | initiate | Seb, 2.6.12 atm |
| 16:36.16 | Seb | error403: #kernel-newbies, or google |
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| 16:36.22 | Seb | error403: maybe it's #kernelnewbies |
| 16:36.24 | initiate | and i`m trying to compile a new one with 2.6.8 |
| 16:36.39 | error403 | Seb, ok, ill take a look |
| 16:36.44 | darkness_ | I've very recently installed sarge with kernel 2.4.27-2 plus running apache2 web server.Now i've been getting on average 3-4days uptime before either a lockup or crash.Is this normal? |
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| 16:36.50 | humbolt | I have a intel hda sound card and somehow I do not get how to make select the micro source for recording. I choose capture on the mic and turn on capture, but that does not seem to be it. |
| 16:36.59 | Seb | initiate: is gcc4.0 even i nsarge ? |
| 16:37.10 | Seb | humbolt: alsa ? |
| 16:37.20 | error403 | Seb, no it isnt, you need to get it from Testing |
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| 16:37.28 | initiate | Seb, beats me ... |
| 16:37.33 | Seb | darkness_: hardware most likely |
| 16:37.41 | AnitaLove | hello everybody |
| 16:37.42 | Seb | darkness_: anything in the log, like say HD controller failures ? |
| 16:37.47 | humbolt | Seb: yes alsa |
| 16:37.54 | Seb | initiate: how did you get gcc4.0 to start with ? |
| 16:38.06 | Seb | humbolt: do you see several mics ? |
| 16:38.13 | initiate | Seb, what i was doing mostly is apt-get update/upgrade |
| 16:38.16 | jorfro2005 | hello, I'm trying to get my video working on Sarge , i have an ATI Mobility Radeon x700 |
| 16:38.17 | Seb | humbolt: alsamixer can be tricky to get to play the way you want |
| 16:38.19 | jorfro2005 | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:38.23 | Lutin_Triste | ii need a life |
| 16:38.32 | Seb | initiate: dude, if you've lied to me about using sarge only, I won't be happy |
| 16:38.32 | EdibleText | !ideas |
| 16:38.36 | xelam | dpkg gay |
| 16:38.36 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 16:38.36 | jorfro2005 | I'm looking at this backport of Xorg but I don't know how to set it up, is it complicated to set up backport packages? |
| 16:38.39 | Seb | initiate: what do you have in your sources.list ? |
| 16:38.42 | AnitaLove | I've got oMail-admin (for qmail/vmailmgr) installed, and I don't remember the password for a domain, I've reset the password for the linux user that owns the domain but that didn't work, how do I change the password for it to reflect in oMail-Admin? |
| 16:38.44 | humbolt | a front mic and a mic and the capture thing |
| 16:38.47 | Seb | initiate: the point here is, gcc4.0 is *not* in sarge |
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| 16:38.53 | humbolt | Seb: a front mic and a mic and the capture thing |
| 16:38.59 | Seb | humbolt: try to play with all of them, like try all combinations... |
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| 16:39.11 | initiate | Seb, hold on i`ll show you ... i know i added an extra source in the source.list |
| 16:39.12 | sgeigerbot | !life Lutin_Triste |
| 16:39.14 | initiate | brb |
| 16:39.18 | Seb | AnitaLove: omail documentation of course |
| 16:39.18 | Licker | is ther a way to create a USB Cable Modem Driver for Debian? |
| 16:39.19 | humbolt | what is capture actually for, is it the sum of all capture devices? |
| 16:39.25 | sgeigerbot | Lutin_Triste: Sorry, no life for you. |
| 16:39.26 | jorfro2005 | anyone know how to get an x700 mobility radeon workin in Sarge? |
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| 16:39.33 | Seb | initiate: if you added an extra source you voided your debian warranty and you're pretty much fucked |
| 16:39.35 | jorfro2005 | I can only get it to work using generic VGA |
| 16:39.36 | Lutin_Triste | nothing about life thst's so sad |
| 16:39.52 | jorfro2005 | and god it is terible, it thinks i have dual-monitors, and the resolution is terrible |
| 16:39.54 | Seb | initiate: that is, a testing or unstable source. backports are fine. So what did yu add ? |
| 16:40.06 | Seb | humbolt: not sure :\ |
| 16:40.27 | Seb | dpkg, tell jorfro2005 about ati |
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| 16:40.39 | initiate | Seb, i suppose that's it :( ... so what should i do now ? |
| 16:40.54 | Seb | initiate: *what* *source* *di* *you* *add* ? |
| 16:40.54 | initiate | Seb, sorry didn't read the last lijne |
| 16:40.58 | Seb | k |
| 16:41.04 | initiate | sec |
| 16:41.21 | EdibleText | Licker, have you tried plugging in the usb device? run 'dmesg' and perhaps it will give some clues as to which driver to load, or search for |
| 16:41.23 | WiFiTux_ | Why is ALSA really better than OSS? Additionally from giving the option to play to files at the same time. Is the quality sound better? |
| 16:41.26 | darkness_ | seb: What logs do i need to read btw? And it may not matter soon as i have my eye on a new xserve with 2TB of memory :-) |
| 16:41.31 | Seb | darkness_: syslog |
| 16:41.49 | Seb | darkness_: most likely your power supply is faulty. I had regular crashes before I changed mine. |
| 16:42.11 | Seb | WiFiTux_: more flexible, etc... ask google about os versus alsa |
| 16:42.15 | Seb | oss |
| 16:42.22 | WiFiTux_ | hm |
| 16:42.31 | xfoxx | please assist me here, checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
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| 16:42.51 | initiate | Seb, following those instruction http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html , i added this to my source list deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian $NVDIST main contrib non-free |
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| 16:42.52 | Seb | xfoxx: either you tell us why you insist on compiling shit, or you help yourself |
| 16:42.58 | Licker | EdibleText: No I havnt. When I had Ubuntu they said it couldnt be done. Now I got Debian and was j/w if it was any difference. |
| 16:43.00 | humbolt | Seb: Super bullshit. Seems like I have to select Front Mic as capture source in order to have a recording level but I will only hear myself, if I unmute the other mic channel. |
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| 16:43.03 | xfoxx | i am install Ktorrent, seb |
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| 16:43.11 | initiate | Seb, with $NVDIST=testing |
| 16:43.17 | error403 | Seb, thats not nice - some things need to be compiled |
| 16:43.30 | Seb | humbolt: see, you're getting somewhere :> |
| 16:43.42 | error403 | xfoxx, means you need the qt development libraries |
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| 16:43.47 | Seb | error403: i want to know what and why before i dedicate time to this matter. Got a problem with that ? |
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| 16:44.08 | xfoxx | error403, and how can i get em??, |
| 16:44.17 | Seb | initiate: wow. Why didn't you select nvdist=sarge ? Did the howto say to do that ? |
| 16:44.25 | xfoxx | error403, i tryed using apt-get but it is not good |
| 16:44.38 | Seb | xfoxx: i told you how to get the libjpeg headers, how difficult is it to transpose to getting the qt headers ? |
| 16:44.41 | error403 | xfoxx, apt-get install kdebase-dev |
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| 16:44.45 | initiate | Seb, that's from the HOWTO ... nce you've chosen a distribution, put its value into a shell variable NVDIST, by executing one of the following lines: |
| 16:44.45 | initiate | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.45 | initiate | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.04 | Seb | initiate: i guess this howto wasn't meant for sarge users then :\ |
| 16:45.05 | initiate | Seb, the guy who wrote it said that they don't have a stable distribution |
| 16:45.09 | xfoxx | seb, i already downlaoded the jpg libreraies, and it is good workingm thx for that bout now i got these error |
| 16:45.15 | Seb | initiate: so you screwed yourself. |
| 16:45.30 | Seb | initiate: i would recommend changing all your sources.list from sarge/stable to testing, and apt-get dist-upgrade :\ |
| 16:45.35 | jjazz | xfoxx do you know about apt-cache search? |
| 16:45.44 | stew | initiate: that howto is out of date |
| 16:45.46 | Seb | xfoxx: yeah, and it's the same thing, headers missing,. Adapt what I said about jpeg to qt. |
| 16:46.00 | initiate | oh well |
| 16:46.09 | stew | initiate: it tells you to install packages in testing that no longer exist in testing |
| 16:46.13 | xfoxx | jjazz, yes i did apt-cache search and it says i got jpg26 |
| 16:46.18 | initiate | any idea where i can find a list of sources with things up to date and reliable ? |
| 16:46.21 | Seb | initiate: upgrading to testing shouldn't be that bad. Make sure you don't upgrade too often., or without checking first. In here for instance |
| 16:46.24 | stew | initiate: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 16:46.40 | Seb | initiate: this won't solve it for you though. You system is unusable for now. |
| 16:46.51 | jjazz | xfoxx, For compiling you need the -dev packages. So if it wants lib blah, you need libblag-dev |
| 16:46.54 | initiate | Seb, so ... a reinstall should do it ? |
| 16:46.58 | Seb | initiate: no :) |
| 16:47.02 | Seb | initiate: upgrade to testing |
| 16:47.11 | xfoxx | jjazz, okey =) thank you already downloading that |
| 16:47.12 | initiate | Seb, how do i do that ? :) |
| 16:47.13 | Seb | initiate: although yes, reinstalling owuld of course take care of your problem... |
| 16:47.16 | stew | Seb: what did he do that makes him have to upgrade? |
| 16:47.17 | Seb | initiate: i told you, look up |
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| 16:47.30 | Seb | stew: add some testing sources apparently |
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| 16:47.43 | EdibleText | Licker, i have found drivers by pasting the output [as given by dmesg] into google. mostlikely someone has began a small project to reverse engineer. you may get lucky |
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| 16:47.49 | initiate | Seb, there's the little problem i can't install anything because i can't login as root :P |
| 16:47.54 | Seb | stew: undirectly... he followed an outdated nvidia howto ,and chose testing while he's running sarge |
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| 16:48.02 | Seb | initiate: aaaaaaw shit |
| 16:48.08 | Seb | initiate: sudo installed ? |
| 16:48.11 | Licker | EdibleText: ok thanx. |
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| 16:48.35 | initiate | Seb, yes ... sudo: must be setuid root :p |
| 16:48.37 | un1v4c | is there any free hosting provider that gives me *.linux-something (word that have connection with linux) domain? |
| 16:48.41 | Seb | initiate: woooow |
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| 16:48.49 | Seb | initiate: man that's the best fuckup i've heard of in a long while |
| 16:49.05 | Seb | un1v4c: dyndns.org |
| 16:49.06 | initiate | Seb, at least it's an installation practice :) |
| 16:49.07 | darkness_ | seb: I've looked at the logs but tbh i can't make sence of them. |
| 16:49.19 | initiate | net install - here i come again ! :> |
| 16:49.23 | Seb | darkness_: something about ide or ata failing ? |
| 16:49.30 | darkness_ | seb: Nope. |
| 16:49.33 | Seb | initiate: then, make sure you follow the right nvidia howto |
| 16:49.38 | Seb | dpkg, tell initiate about nvidia |
| 16:49.47 | Seb | darkness_: anything looking like a seirous error ? |
| 16:49.49 | Seb | serious |
| 16:50.08 | slept | initiate, do you have a live cd from wich you can boot? knoppix or sth like that ? If so you can chroot intio your system and change your rootpassword |
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| 16:50.18 | Seb | slept: it's not about the password man |
| 16:50.24 | Seb | slept: he knows the password |
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| 16:50.40 | ZeeGeek | xoz: almost reached the end of dist-upgrade, but the dependency problem of xlibmesa-gl-dev came again. I tried to apt-get -f install and it said that "trying to overwrite /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2, which is also in package fglrx-6-8-0", I downloaded fglrx from a website and installed it when I installed debian, so it's not in Sarge I guess, is this causing the prob? |
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| 16:50.47 | initiate | Seb, it's a long story ... i got nvidia working the first time i installed debian(that one is the second one) ... this time i got it working with the 2.4.27 kernel,but my sound didn't work and a dude here recommended me to upgrade to 2.6.x |
| 16:50.51 | Seb | slept: plus ,the real manly way to do what you say it to mount /dev/hdax and edit /etc/passwd ;) |
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| 16:51.14 | initiate | Seb, so after that the problems with nvidia started ... then i couldn't compile a new kernel ... and that's the final result :) |
| 16:51.15 | Seb | initiate: install sarge, install a 2.6 kernel, then follow the howto dpkg pointed you at |
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| 16:51.28 | Seb | initiate: don't compile kernels. install the debian precompild ones, always |
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| 16:51.35 | Seb | initiate: at least till you're more fluent thant you're now, heh |
| 16:51.36 | darkness_ | Nope, some dhcp requests before the crash but nothing glaring.When i say crash the screensaver froze and locked up. |
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| 16:51.53 | Seb | darkness_: can you ping form outside ? maybe it's just x that crashes ? |
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| 16:52.02 | Varanger | hello |
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| 16:52.20 | Varanger | How can I make Debian to automatic recognize my usb memory key? |
| 16:52.29 | Seb | Varanger: how does it not do that now ? |
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| 16:52.33 | initiate | Seb, i know,but when i got this 2.6.12 kernel i wasn't able to install the nVidia and in an online guide it said to compile a custom kernel and disable the rivafb(i think) etc |
| 16:52.40 | initiate | Seb, so that's how everything started :) |
| 16:52.40 | Seb | Varanger: optionally apt-get install hotplug if you don't have it yet |
| 16:52.41 | darkness_ | seb: Mabe it was X. Ping from outside? |
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| 16:52.55 | Varanger | Seb: I have to mount it manually with mount /dev/sda2 /mnt .... |
| 16:52.56 | Seb | initiate: as I said, install a precompiled debian kernel. 2.6.8 most likely, on sarge/ |
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| 16:53.09 | Seb | darkness_: ping your box from another box |
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| 16:53.17 | Seb | darkness_: that'll tell you if the system crashed, or just x |
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| 16:53.53 | initiate | Seb, also i used the newest source for a net install in my country(my university server) and it had some problems to begin with ... i guess i`ll use the one i used the first time i installed debian and didn't have any problems :) |
| 16:53.58 | Seb | Varanger: not sure. I don't like automounts. Someone i nhere will know though. |
| 16:53.59 | darkness_ | seb: I can do that as i have access to a few boxes. Mmmm, let me rephrase that :-P |
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| 16:54.29 | Seb | Varanger: google will too, btw. |
| 16:54.30 | initiate | Seb, thanks for the help,point made and taken :> |
| 16:54.34 | Varanger | Seb: hotplug is installled |
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| 16:54.35 | Seb | initiate: np |
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| 16:54.47 | Seb | initiate: good luck and... se ya soon, haha :> |
| 16:54.50 | Seb | see |
| 16:54.59 | Pixels- | does anyone here have experience with 2.6 kernels crashing while doing hotplug.. pci ? |
| 16:55.20 | Seb | Pixels-: debian kernel ? |
| 16:55.22 | Pixels- | yes |
| 16:55.23 | initiate | Seb, heh i hope i`ll stop by soon too ... rather to explain than to ask for help ;) |
| 16:55.26 | Seb | Pixels-: which one ? |
| 16:55.29 | Pixels- | any |
| 16:55.40 | EdibleText | ZeeGeek, you have to dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl-dev.deb (or whatever the name is) ; then you have to reinstall fglrx-6-8-0 |
| 16:55.41 | Pixels- | everyone ive tried |
| 16:55.45 | Pixels- | prebuilt or custom |
| 16:55.45 | Seb | Pixels-: which most recent one ? |
| 16:55.54 | Pixels- | 2.6.8 is as recent as i'll go |
| 16:55.55 | Seb | Pixels-: and I'm only interested in the debian ones |
| 16:55.59 | Pixels- | but ive tried 2.6.12 |
| 16:56.02 | Pixels- | oh |
| 16:56.03 | Seb | Pixels-: what kind of crash ? |
| 16:56.05 | Pixels- | so 2.6.8 |
| 16:56.19 | Pixels- | fatal kernel |
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| 16:56.35 | Seb | Pixels-: stack dump and all ? |
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| 16:56.44 | Pixels- | yup |
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| 16:56.51 | Seb | Pixels-: file a bug then |
| 16:56.59 | Pixels- | already have |
| 16:57.11 | Seb | Pixels-: good. Now wait it out... |
| 16:57.21 | EdibleText | FreshInstall, dont irc as root |
| 16:57.27 | Pixels- | was just wondering if anyone else has has similar experiences |
| 16:57.33 | Pixels- | i dont mind running 2.4 kernel |
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| 16:57.38 | Pixels- | does everything i need it to do. |
| 16:57.54 | krondor | anyone have any experience with log structured filesystems? |
| 16:57.56 | Pixels- | mostly use compiling kernels as a learning experience |
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| 16:58.08 | Seb | EdibleText: in which context would you recommend --force-overwrite to dpkg, exactly ? |
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| 16:58.17 | Pixels- | thanks for the help Seb |
| 16:58.19 | Seb | !survey |
| 16:58.19 | dpkg | i heard survey is Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask. |
| 16:58.21 | Seb | Pixels-: np |
| 16:58.28 | metal4o | where i can get hardupc? |
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| 16:58.56 | Pixels- | anyone try to compile kde 3.5 beta yet? |
| 16:58.59 | darkness_ | seb: Can you actually read the kernel source code as i wouldn't mind using at as a learning tool to programming? |
| 16:59.10 | Seb | darkness_: haha |
| 16:59.23 | Seb | darkness_: if you don't know C you wanna start with something much more simple than the kernel source my man :) |
| 16:59.30 | krondor | ok then.. does anyone know of a log structured filesystem (possibly NILFS) where I can keep a continual running snapshot and instantaneously revert to any point in that filesystem. |
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| 16:59.35 | Pixels- | darkness_: starting with the kernel would be bad |
| 16:59.38 | Seb | darkness_: but the answer t oyour question is "yes you can" :> |
| 16:59.40 | Pixels- | you'd fry your brain |
| 16:59.53 | krondor | the filesystem should also overwrite oldest data in a loop when capacity is full on the storage device |
| 16:59.54 | Seb | krondor: for linux ? Asked google ? |
| 17:00.11 | darkness_ | seb: Mmm, i kinda know some C. I once made a lovely temp comparison program :-) |
| 17:00.25 | Seb | darkness_: heh. Naw, find somehting else, kernel is way too complex. |
| 17:00.28 | EdibleText | Seb, in the context ZeeGeeks situation. ie where a 3rd party package needs to overwrite an legit debian package. upon upgrade the legit debian package 'wants' to be upgraded but cannot, thus that package needs to be --force-overwrite. cludgy but it works |
| 17:00.28 | krondor | Seb: yes, I've done much googling and reading |
| 17:00.42 | TheGeman | I am trying to install a nVIdia video card but I can only use 800x600 and I have done dpkg-reconfigure already and it still only does 800x600 |
| 17:00.47 | Seb | EdibleText: i meant, if this is for fglrx, flavio's packages take care of that just fine. |
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| 17:01.00 | Seb | dpkg, tell TheGeman about nvidia |
| 17:01.06 | EdibleText | Seb, good point.. i have never used flavio's debs.. |
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| 17:01.17 | Seb | EdibleText: hence my point... |
| 17:01.34 | Seb | EdibleText: recommending --force-overwrite is usually bad. There's most likely a better solution out there. |
| 17:01.53 | Seb | EdibleText: next time someone comes in with ati problems, point them to dpkg at ;) |
| 17:02.11 | Seb | EdibleText: easier on you, easier on them... and easier on the rest of us once you're gone and he comes back :> |
| 17:02.23 | EdibleText | EdibleText, i agree.. though I knew of _one_ solution to ZeeGeek problem. I felt that i should speak up |
| 17:02.25 | syntaxx | TheGeman, have you tried /msg dpkg nvidia-howto ? |
| 17:02.29 | Seb | s/he/they/ |
| 17:02.41 | Seb | EdibleText: it's ok, you'll do better next time, heh |
| 17:02.52 | EdibleText | Seb, perhaps ill try flavios debs.. |
| 17:02.53 | EdibleText | ;) |
| 17:02.56 | Seb | EdibleText: that's why helping people i nthe chan rather than in private is good ;) |
| 17:03.02 | Seb | EdibleText: oh you should, they do kick ass |
| 17:04.54 | TheGeman | syntaxx Doing that right now |
| 17:05.10 | TheGeman | syntaxx, But I get the error W: Unable to locate package nvidia-kernel-source |
| 17:05.11 | jass | i'm a linux newbie and having problems with vsftpd, I don't undrestand the difference between inetd and standalone completely, I guess I want to run it from inetd, but then I'm not able to restart vsftpd, how do I restart it? |
| 17:05.15 | syntaxx | TheGeman, just read and follow it carefully :) |
| 17:05.22 | Seb | jass: run form standalone |
| 17:05.26 | Seb | jass: don't use inetd |
| 17:05.26 | brosioz | how could i mount automactly my dvd and usbmemory in kde ? |
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| 17:05.58 | Seb | jass: inetd is like, the service starts running only when you connect to the specific port. Not that fasionable anymore. |
| 17:06.01 | jass | Seb: okay, I'll change it in the conf file, but how do I make the changes take effect? |
| 17:06.01 | un1v4c | is there any free hosting provider that gives me *.linux-something (word that have connection with linux) domain? |
| 17:06.05 | TheGeman | syntaxx, I am and its the first thing it says to do other then seeing if my kernel is stock o r custom (its stock) |
| 17:06.06 | Seb | brosioz: #kde, #debian-kde |
| 17:06.08 | syntaxx | TheGeman, you should have testing or much better if stable in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:06.16 | Seb | jass: dpkg-reconfigure vsftpd is all you need |
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| 17:06.24 | Seb | un1v4c: dyndns.org |
| 17:06.24 | Lutin_Triste | HI |
| 17:06.25 | Seb | un1v4c: dyndns.org |
| 17:06.28 | jass | Seb: okay, thnks |
| 17:06.35 | Lutin_Triste | IM RUNNINGG UNBUNTU WOAH THAT SO COOL |
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| 17:06.38 | flogiston | How do I know what name my usb connected ipod have? I meen if its sd(x)(n) |
| 17:06.39 | Seb | un1v4c: and don't fucking repeat. Especially since I answered that the first time |
| 17:06.45 | EdibleText | !spank Lutin_Triste |
| 17:06.50 | Seb | flogiston: dmesg |
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| 17:07.04 | syntaxx | TheGeman, then follow the stock one |
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| 17:07.12 | TheGeman | syntaxx, But apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source doesnt work |
| 17:07.43 | Seb | !doesn't work |
| 17:07.43 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 17:08.12 | TheGeman | Seb, I did already I dont have to type out the exact error each time |
| 17:08.14 | flogiston | seb: thanks |
| 17:08.14 | TheGeman | Seb, :/ |
| 17:08.16 | syntaxx | TheGeman, because you dont have testing/stable source in sources.list |
| 17:08.25 | jass | Seb: does dpkg-reconfigure just restart vsftpd? |
| 17:08.33 | TheGeman | syntaxx, Okay then on this tutorial that is after this step but ill do that |
| 17:08.38 | Seb | jass: if it does, it will be printed out |
| 17:08.42 | jass | Seb: it doesnt display anything on screen |
| 17:08.48 | Seb | jass: if not, /etc/init.d/vsftp restart |
| 17:08.52 | Seb | vsftpd |
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| 17:09.06 | syntaxx | TheGeman, your kernel from first install? |
| 17:09.53 | syntaxx | TheGeman, if do you know if your kernel is stock or custom u can skip it.. to step 2 or the next command.. just ready it carefully.. its a good tutorial |
| 17:10.25 | cddesjar | what's the difference between CD1 and netinstall CD? |
| 17:10.26 | jass | Seb: it doesn't print anything |
| 17:10.41 | cddesjar | and if i install a cd from here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:10.41 | asg | cddesjar: about 500M |
| 17:10.47 | syntaxx | TheGeman, i used the testing sources.. i dont think there's a stable in nvidia drivers |
| 17:10.51 | jass | Seb: and the changes i've made still arent effective |
| 17:10.56 | TheGeman | syntaxx, deb ftp://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ $NVDIST main contrib non-free (thats right correct?) |
| 17:10.56 | cddesjar | i'm installing a testing snapshot of the day? |
| 17:10.59 | asg | cddesjar: use the official images at www.debian.org/CD |
| 17:11.04 | Seb | jass: how so ? |
| 17:11.07 | cddesjar | but I am going to upgrade to etch |
| 17:11.20 | asg | cddesjar: that link has etch snapshots too |
| 17:11.31 | cddesjar | well if i have fast internet would you just recommend i d/l netinstall? |
| 17:11.33 | cddesjar | ok |
| 17:11.42 | asg | cddesjar: also, if your network hardware is compliant, the netinstall will be fine |
| 17:11.43 | Seb | cddesjar: install sarge, then upgrade to etch, much better |
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| 17:12.01 | syntaxx | TheGeman, no deb ftp://mirrors.usc.edu/debian testing contrib non-free |
| 17:12.03 | cddesjar | ok...just more work |
| 17:12.03 | asg | cddesjar: if not, you need to download CD1 which has kernel sources and compilers to build one that does work with your hardware. |
| 17:12.17 | cddesjar | my hardware is ifne |
| 17:12.21 | cddesjar | i've run debian before |
| 17:12.22 | jass | Seb: i have no idea, i restart it(/etc/init.d/vsftpd restart), it doesnt print anything and changes I've made in the configuration still not working |
| 17:12.26 | cddesjar | both sarge, ethc, and sid |
| 17:12.39 | Seb | jass: how are they not working ? what's not working ? |
| 17:12.42 | syntaxx | TheGeman, i have this on my sources.list deb ftp://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/ testing contrib non-free then apt-get update |
| 17:12.44 | asg | cddesjar: then use the netinstall |
| 17:12.48 | cddesjar | ok |
| 17:13.24 | jass | Seb: well, I disallowed anon access and allowed local users acces and if I try to log in with my account it says that this server is only anonynous |
| 17:13.40 | TheGeman | syntaxx, W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://mirrors.usc.edu testing/non-free Package |
| 17:13.44 | cddesjar | thanks! |
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| 17:13.56 | asg | TheGeman: /topic |
| 17:14.01 | blindboygrunt | sound config is pretty easy these dayssu - |
| 17:14.06 | jass | Seb: and anon account is not working too |
| 17:14.08 | asg | TheGeman: bah, sorry. Disregard that |
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| 17:14.19 | syntaxx | theGeman, just use "deb ftp://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/ testing contrib non-free" then apt-get update |
| 17:14.33 | Seb | jass: oh so it is running standalone now ? |
| 17:14.50 | jass | Seb: i don't know, how do I find that out? |
| 17:14.55 | Seb | jass: note how you never mentioned something about configured vsftpd before... |
| 17:15.02 | Seb | jass: you asked about running it standalone |
| 17:15.15 | Seb | jass: did you run dpkg-reconfigure vsftpd |
| 17:15.26 | jass | Seb: yeah, cause I could not restart it when it was inetd |
| 17:15.54 | jass | Seb: yes I did run dpkg-reconfigure vsftpd, it didnt print out anything on my screen |
| 17:15.59 | TheGeman | syntaxx, OKay it works now |
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| 17:16.28 | brosioz | how could i mount automactly my dvd and usbmemory ? |
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| 17:16.37 | syntaxx | TheGeman, goodluck |
| 17:16.59 | Seb | jass: then edit the vsftpd config file to make your changes |
| 17:17.09 | jass | Seb: done |
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| 17:17.47 | jordan | hey all, trying to get X working.....when i run Startx, i get two screens (in clone mode) |
| 17:17.49 | TheGeman | syntaxx, Package module-assistant is not available, but is referred to by another package |
| 17:17.56 | jordan | on an ATI card, using VGA as driver |
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| 17:18.04 | jordan | and XF86 |
| 17:18.06 | jass | Seb: but the changes wont take effect, but I'm afraid theres nothing you can do, I'll try to find something by myself |
| 17:18.17 | TheGeman | syntaxx, What does that mean? |
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| 17:18.21 | jass | Seb: thnks anyway |
| 17:18.25 | jeanmi | anyone here can read (simplified) chinese ? I bought a router but the webadmin is all chinese. there is just 1 sentence i'd like to be translated |
| 17:18.26 | TheGeman | syntaxx, E: Package module-assistant has no installation candidate |
| 17:18.50 | Seb | jass: when were you asked about standalone vs inetd ? |
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| 17:19.34 | mjk64 | jeanmi: Try http://babelfish.altavista.com/ |
| 17:19.46 | mjk64 | jeanmi: It can translate simplified Chinese. |
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| 17:19.54 | mjk64 | jeanmi: At least that's what it claims. ;-) |
| 17:20.01 | foXclone | does n e 1 have a nice howto for setting up a mail server using imap? |
| 17:20.06 | TheGeman | what is module-assistant and do I *NEED* it in apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common (that command?) |
| 17:20.16 | jass | Seb: the problem was I could not restart the ftp daemon for the changes to take effect, thats when I had the standalone vs inet problem |
| 17:20.30 | syntaxx | TheGeman, just follow |
| 17:20.30 | jordan | how do i set up Xorg on a Debian system? Apt-get ?? |
| 17:20.32 | Seb | jass: when were you asked about standalone vs inetd ? |
| 17:20.38 | Seb | jass: at install time ? |
| 17:20.43 | mjk64 | !tell TheGeman -about m-a |
| 17:20.57 | jass | Seb: well the config file was the default, yes |
| 17:20.58 | TheGeman | mjk64, Thanks I was wondering what that was |
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| 17:21.06 | jass | Seb: i just apt-get installed vsftpd |
| 17:21.11 | TheGeman | syntaxx, I did and i just took out module-assisntant i hope it will work stil |
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| 17:21.23 | Seb | jass: well then dpkg-reconfigure vsftpd should ask you the same questions you got at install time |
| 17:21.28 | TheGeman | Well my m-a doesnt work |
| 17:21.28 | thc | jordan: stable? or testing/unstable |
| 17:21.35 | syntaxx | TheGeman, u need module-assistant in building |
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| 17:21.37 | Seb | jass: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow vsftpd maybe |
| 17:21.49 | BeBrA | hello! any tool for ftpfs, like lufs? |
| 17:21.49 | TheGeman | syntaxx, How do I do that? |
| 17:21.50 | jass | Seb: it doesnt do anything and it didnt ask me it was inetd by deafault |
| 17:21.58 | asg | BeBrA: apt-cache search ftpfs |
| 17:22.06 | jass | Seb: i changed it in the conf file myself |
| 17:22.09 | syntaxx | TheGeman, apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 17:22.21 | TheGeman | syntaxx, Thats what I was saying it doesnt wokr |
| 17:22.25 | jass | Seb: still nothing |
| 17:22.43 | TheGeman | syntaxx, Error in #flood |
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| 17:22.51 | syntaxx | TheGeman, try in your terminal typing apt-cache search module-assistant |
| 17:22.52 | laruiss_ | hello |
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| 17:23.00 | asg | BeBrA: also, module-assistant will help you compile the necessary kernel support |
| 17:23.13 | laruiss_ | someone could help me with postfix/mysql ? |
| 17:23.13 | Seb | jass: is vsftpd running standalone now ? netstant -pant | grep 21 |
| 17:23.13 | jass | Seb: i'll just restart the machine, then it should read the new conf file, right? |
| 17:23.16 | BeBrA | tnx asg |
| 17:23.17 | syntaxx | TheGeman, it should show if there's module-assistant in your sources |
| 17:23.19 | Seb | jass: don't |
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| 17:23.26 | Seb | jass: this is a windows attitude :> |
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| 17:23.41 | grendal_prime | hey i got an nfs mount the hangs...its werid..it seems to have something to do with the dir having about 10 files each about 650 megs apiece |
| 17:23.47 | jass | Seb: well, i'm more familiar to windows :) |
| 17:23.56 | TheGeman | syntaxx, I dont think so |
| 17:23.58 | syntaxx | !tell TheGeman about nvidia one-liner |
| 17:24.03 | jass | Seb: kusti:/etc/init.d# netstat -pant | grep 21 |
| 17:24.04 | jass | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:976 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1218/rpc.statd |
| 17:24.04 | jass | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1890/vsftpd |
| 17:24.04 | jass | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1213/sshd |
| 17:24.04 | jass | tcp 0 0 192.168.1.101:1072 140.211.166.3:6667 ESTABLISHED1960/bitchx |
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| 17:24.07 | asg | grrrrr |
| 17:24.07 | syntaxx | TheGeman, thats the command you need |
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| 17:24.19 | jass | Seb: did you get that? |
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| 17:24.43 | laruiss_ | Oct 14 19:23:38 vds37959 postfix/cleanup[17325]: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 17:24.45 | syntaxx | TheGeman, so it should have module-assistant i wonder you dont have it in your sources |
| 17:24.59 | asg | laruiss_: check that mysqld is running |
| 17:25.03 | Seb | jass: so it's running .DOn't paste in here. |
| 17:25.07 | asg | laruiss_: then see if that socket exists |
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| 17:25.11 | TheGeman | syntaxx, I jsut passted erro in flood I dont think I have m-a |
| 17:25.14 | TheGeman | syntaxx, How can I get it? |
| 17:25.17 | Seb | laruiss_: then if it is running, uninstall it and install postgres instead :D |
| 17:25.17 | syntaxx | TheGeman, so you need module-assistant in compiling nvidia kernel |
| 17:25.18 | laruiss_ | mysqld is running, I created the postfixadmin tables with phpmyadmin, no problem |
| 17:25.19 | jass | Seb: yeah, I figured it |
| 17:25.32 | Seb | jass: do /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop |
| 17:25.41 | Seb | jass: and check again. vsftpd shouldn't be in the list anymore. |
| 17:25.42 | TheGeman | syntaxx, How do I get m-a? |
| 17:25.43 | jass | Seb: okay |
| 17:26.06 | jass | Seb: it is |
| 17:26.08 | asg | laruiss_: check that the socket exists (/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock) |
| 17:26.10 | syntaxx | TheGeman, already tried apt-get install module-assistant? |
| 17:26.22 | TheGeman | syntaxx, yes sir |
| 17:26.29 | laruiss_ | srwxrwxrwx 1 mysql mysql 0 2005-10-14 10:50 /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 17:26.32 | asg | TheGeman: you have to run it as root |
| 17:26.46 | TheGeman | asg, I am |
| 17:26.50 | TheGeman | asg, I su'ed |
| 17:27.01 | Seb | sueing is so american |
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| 17:27.06 | asg | TheGeman: su or su - ? |
| 17:27.12 | TheGeman | just su? |
| 17:27.15 | TheGeman | su then it asked for root pass |
| 17:27.17 | TheGeman | and i put it in |
| 17:27.24 | asg | TheGeman: if you did the former, you probably don't have root's environment (including PATH with /usr/sbin in) |
| 17:27.25 | tuxbeginner | good evening everyone |
| 17:27.36 | tuxbeginner | I have a serious problemmm |
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| 17:27.48 | Seb | jass: then edit your config file. And do /etc/init.dvsftp start |
| 17:27.50 | asg | laruiss_: can you manually connect using mysql using the same credentials you told postfix to use? |
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| 17:27.55 | laruiss_ | yes |
| 17:28.03 | TheGeman | asg, I did su |
| 17:28.04 | laruiss_ | asg: yes, that's the weird part |
| 17:28.04 | grendal_prime | does it have anything to do wht nfs mounts that freeze up the machine? |
| 17:28.15 | Seb | jass: if it still doesn't do what you want, it means you're not editing this config file correctly. Look for logs then, telling you what you might be doing wrong. |
| 17:28.16 | jass | Seb: the config file is excactly how I want it to be right now |
| 17:28.20 | tuxbeginner | I am working on getting WLAN but as soon as I try "ifup wlan0" my system freezes |
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| 17:28.31 | laruiss_ | mysql -u postfix -p |
| 17:28.31 | laruiss_ | Enter password: |
| 17:28.32 | Seb | jass: is there a /etc/default/vsftpd ? |
| 17:28.33 | laruiss_ | mysql> |
| 17:28.33 | TheGeman | How can I get module-assistant working? |
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| 17:28.46 | syntaxx | TheGeman, can u paste your sources.list in #flood? |
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| 17:28.51 | asg | TheGeman: type '/usr/sbin/module-assistant' |
| 17:28.52 | TheGeman | syntaxx, Yes sir |
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| 17:29.00 | asg | wtf did they put m-a in /usr/bin |
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| 17:29.10 | jass | Seb: no, there is not |
| 17:29.13 | TheGeman | asg. no such file or directory |
| 17:29.13 | syntaxx | asg: he cant saw the module-assistant in apt-cache search |
| 17:29.17 | stew | TheGeman: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 17:29.27 | stew | asg: where would you put it? |
| 17:29.32 | asg | syntaxx: is he running woody? |
| 17:29.35 | asg | stew: /usr/sbin |
| 17:29.43 | syntaxx | asg, hmm no idea.. |
| 17:29.54 | Seb | jass: paste me /etc/init.d/vsftp, say the first 20 lines, in #flood |
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| 17:29.57 | syntaxx | TheGeman, what debian are you using? |
| 17:30.06 | stew | asg: why? its not for administration |
| 17:30.22 | asg | stew: it's not for regular users either. |
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| 17:30.28 | wulffeld | Hi, I've got two boxes with debian (unstable). On one box the /etc/cron.daily/find script is run every day but on the other it hasn't run since 1st of October. I've googled and I'm stumped. Any suggestions as to what I might check for? |
| 17:30.29 | stew | asg: you shouldn't be running as root |
| 17:30.34 | jass | Seb: i dont know if you got me right, if I typed netstat the second time, having ran vsftpd stop, it was still there |
| 17:30.37 | TheGeman | syntaxx, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 17:30.39 | asg | stew: I'm not |
| 17:30.53 | Seb | jass: ah, so it's still running as inetd |
| 17:30.54 | TheGeman | syntaxx, thats what uname -r says |
| 17:30.54 | jass | Seb: how do I get the first twenty lines? |
| 17:30.55 | stew | asg: i don't see why youd put it in sbin then |
| 17:30.56 | syntaxx | TheGeman, no thats the kernel.. |
| 17:31.07 | Seb | jass: paste what I asked. Select them with the mouse ? |
| 17:31.15 | syntaxx | TheGeman, are you on sarge? |
| 17:31.17 | Seb | jass: oh you in console ? |
| 17:31.17 | TheGeman | syntaxx, Then Debian net_install cd |
| 17:31.25 | jass | Seb: yeah :) |
| 17:31.27 | TheGeman | syntaxx, Honestly don't know how can i see |
| 17:31.30 | Seb | jass: /exec cat /etc/init.d/vsftpd |
| 17:31.36 | jass | Seb: ssh |
| 17:31.51 | beaufils | Has anyone succeed to use the IBM ServeRAID Manager under Debian (mine does not find any controller) ? |
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| 17:31.54 | syntaxx | TheGeman, on debian site the netinst cd? |
| 17:31.55 | EdibleText | jeanmi, head -n 20 /etc/init.d/vsftp |
| 17:32.04 | EdibleText | jass, head -n 20 /etc/init.d/vsftp |
| 17:32.05 | TheGeman | syntaxx, Yup |
| 17:32.31 | Seb | beaufils: this owuld be a kernel thing, not really a debian one |
| 17:32.38 | syntaxx | asg, i think he's using sarge |
| 17:33.01 | syntaxx | TheGeman, your sources.list is correct and when u apt-cache search module-assistant is should have |
| 17:33.15 | beaufils | Seb, Do not think so since the kernel recognize the ServeRAID very well (at least the host work). |
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| 17:33.38 | TheGeman | syntaxx, pasting output in #flood |
| 17:33.47 | Seb | beaufils: if the kernel finds it, what is your prblem then ? |
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| 17:33.50 | Seb | beaufils: ca va sinon ? |
| 17:33.52 | Seb | ;) |
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| 17:34.46 | Seb | jass: ok, another approach: edit /etc/inetd.conf, comment ou the line that has csftpd, /etc/init.dinetd restart, check vsftpd doesn't show up in nestat no more. Then /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart |
| 17:35.03 | Seb | wow, 5 typos in 2 lines :\ |
| 17:35.48 | saloxin | beaufils: yep, i have ( if you mean the javabased raid manager thingy) |
| 17:35.55 | beaufils | Seb, Well I can not monitor the card status with the only tool I know (Serve Raid Manager), neither change the raid configuration of my expansion bay |
| 17:36.11 | beaufils | saloxin, did you do something special ? |
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| 17:36.26 | beaufils | Seb, oui ça va sinon ... :-) |
| 17:36.35 | saloxin | well, run as root is all i think |
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| 17:37.30 | jass | Seb: etc/inetd.conf doesnt have a line that has vsftpd |
| 17:37.50 | Seb | jass: does it have one with 21 ? |
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| 17:38.09 | Seb | jass: grep 21 /etc/inetd.conf, don't eyeball |
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| 17:38.32 | beaufils | saloxin, on what configuration did you use it and with which kernel ? |
| 17:38.45 | jass | Seb: no, there's only one line thats uncommented, and thats ident |
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| 17:38.57 | saloxin | 2.4 series and now 2.6.12 |
| 17:39.00 | Seb | jass: ok, /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 17:39.06 | Seb | jass: is vsftpd gone from netstat now ? |
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| 17:39.14 | Seb | jass: le'ts be quick here, I gotta get going soon |
| 17:39.19 | beaufils | saloxin, and your box is an xSeries ? |
| 17:39.21 | ogzy | hi, can we always be sure that deborphan -Ps shows us the libraries that we may remove via apt-get remove and current programs wont crash? |
| 17:39.21 | tuxbeginner | Anyone with wlan / network experience? |
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| 17:39.30 | saloxin | beaufils: scsi2 : IBM PCI ServeRAID 7.10.18 Build 731 <ServeRAID 3L> |
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| 17:39.36 | jass | line 53: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
| 17:39.37 | Seb | ogzy: just deborphan |
| 17:39.40 | asg | stew: the building portion doesn't need rootly powers but installing the modules does. |
| 17:39.41 | jass | Seb: /etc/init.d/inetd: line 55: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
| 17:39.56 | jass | Seb: nevermind, I don't want to keep you |
| 17:40.07 | Seb | jass: are you root ? |
| 17:40.09 | valdyn | ogzy: you can even remove currently running programs and they wont crash |
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| 17:40.33 | Seb | jass: got 7 more minutes :> |
| 17:40.40 | SPT2 | I'm trying to mount my flash drive under sarge but I don't have any /dev/sda* files. How do I mount it? |
| 17:40.41 | stew | asg: yeah, and /usr/sbin/ is for "This directory contains any non-essential binaries used exclusively by the system administrator." and this clearly is not used exclusively byt the administrator |
| 17:40.42 | beaufils | saloxin, are you able to monitor disks with raidman ? |
| 17:40.42 | jass | Seb: omg, i'm so embarrassed right now, no i'm not root |
| 17:40.43 | ogzy | Seb, valdyn, ok, i mean, lets say i removed a library but i have something like amule |
| 17:40.47 | saloxin | beaufils: what is the problem? |
| 17:40.50 | Seb | jass: fucking a |
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| 17:41.03 | Seb | jass: for the whole time you weren't ??? |
| 17:41.06 | saloxin | well, only when I run the app |
| 17:41.13 | jass | Seb: yeah, I'm so sorry |
| 17:41.15 | Atula | !test |
| 17:41.15 | dpkg | Sorry, atula, I didn't get your test. |
| 17:41.24 | Seb | jass: well dude, why didn't you report all the errors you got ? |
| 17:41.24 | adz | im installing a package that requires a dependency yet when i install a package with that dependency in it says its already installed, any ideas on how to resolve this? |
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| 17:41.25 | asg | stew: true but a regular user would not really need to compile kernel modules unless they are the administrator of the box at which point they would have to become root. |
| 17:41.30 | Seb | jass: like when running dpkg-reconfigure and all ? |
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| 17:41.40 | beaufils | saloxin, I am able to start Raidman but it does not found any controllers :-( |
| 17:41.48 | jass | Seb: dpkg-reconfigure didn't print anything |
| 17:42.04 | jass | Seb: and start-stop didnt print anything too |
| 17:42.10 | Seb | jass: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure must be run as root |
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| 17:42.15 | Seb | jass: it prints that for me |
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| 17:42.32 | jass | Seb: okay, sorry to waste yuour time |
| 17:42.46 | saloxin | beaufils: raidman - running on the server i nquestion? |
| 17:42.51 | Seb | jass: mistakes are ok, lying is not |
| 17:43.02 | Seb | jass: dpkg-reconfigure does print an error when not run as root |
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| 17:43.17 | wandere1 | I have a really stupid question about dist-upgrade, but one that is keeping me from completing the upgrade |
| 17:43.24 | Seb | !ask |
| 17:43.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:43.34 | beaufils | saloxin, yes |
| 17:43.44 | saloxin | weird |
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| 17:43.54 | beaufils | saloxin, at least ... |
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| 17:44.02 | wandere1 | I have a dependency problem that is causing th apt-get dist-upgrade to blow up... i've tried using -f and -m with it, still dies |
| 17:44.14 | wandere1 | not sure what I can do at this point |
| 17:44.17 | saloxin | well, I installed it like 2 years ago, so if there where any magic incantations involved they have escape dmy memeoru |
| 17:44.20 | Seb | wandere1: "a dependency problem"... |
| 17:44.22 | jass | Seb: it doesnt |
| 17:44.24 | asg | wandere1: what is the error? |
| 17:44.25 | beaufils | saloxin, I have to go will continue to look for the reason ... |
| 17:44.30 | Seb | jass: i have trouble believing that |
| 17:44.31 | jass | Seb: i'll give you access to prove it |
| 17:44.39 | Seb | jass: no thanks :) |
| 17:44.40 | stew | wandere1: use the paster bot to show us the actual error or paste in #flood, don't paste here though |
| 17:44.40 | wandere1 | its a language-support-en upgrade error |
| 17:44.45 | wulffeld | Is anacron required to run the cron.daily scripts? |
| 17:44.47 | prozureus | oh well you can't expect it to work without the requisite magical incantations. |
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| 17:45.03 | asg | wulffeld: it's useful if your system isn't up 24/7 |
| 17:45.03 | Seb | wulffeld: cron should be enough |
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| 17:45.18 | wandere1 | it requires openoffice.org2-help-en-us, but it isn't installed |
| 17:45.21 | asg | prozureus: and the requisite goat sacrifice |
| 17:45.33 | prozureus | Goes without saying asg. ;) |
| 17:45.43 | wandere1 | I had installed one of the openoffice betas and I think I'm running in to issues with that |
| 17:45.52 | stew | wandere1: openoffice.org2 is experimental, you are on your own with those |
| 17:45.53 | wulffeld | My box is up 24/7 and cron is not doing its job of running the cron.daily scripts. |
| 17:46.04 | asg | wulffeld: then you don't need anacron |
| 17:46.21 | wandere1 | I'm more then willing to blow away OpenOffice, but since I'm in the middle of the dist-upgrade it doesn't seem to want to allow me to do it |
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| 17:47.21 | Seb | jass: so, anyway, dpkg-reconfigure vsftpd as root will fix your problem, after you restart inetd. Then you can /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart to make your changes take effect. |
| 17:47.23 | asg | wandere1: is the upgrade still going or has it just stopped and failed? |
| 17:47.28 | Seb | gotta go, see y'all later |
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| 17:47.56 | wandere1 | it has stopped with the dependency failure |
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| 17:48.25 | stew | wandere1: you could rebuild the deb without that dependency if its just help files |
| 17:49.07 | wandere1 | I was just wondering if there is a way to simply delete openoffice at this point so I can continue the dist_upgrade |
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| 17:49.33 | asg | wandere1: apt-get remove <pkg[s]> |
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| 17:49.40 | SPT2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:49.51 | stew | SPT2: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 17:50.10 | asg | wandere1: or use dpkg --force-help (one of the --force options should allow you to get rid of it or install it fully so you can then remove it cleanly) |
| 17:50.11 | wandere1 | I tried that, asg, but it seems to still remember that I have dist-upgrade tasks to perform |
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| 17:50.20 | jass | Seb: as I went throug roots latest commands, I still was root sometimes |
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| 17:50.29 | wandere1 | cool asg, I will give that a try |
| 17:50.41 | wandere1 | never occurred to me to remove it first |
| 17:50.50 | jass | Seb: it's confusing, i'll try to work it out |
| 17:50.56 | SPT2 | stew: the problem is I don't have a /dev/sda or /dev/sdb |
| 17:50.59 | madclicker | haw can i make the ownership to a file "sticky"/ |
| 17:51.02 | madclicker | ? |
| 17:51.02 | wandere1 | normally, I never have problems with this |
| 17:51.10 | stew | SPT2: you are running udev? |
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| 17:51.22 | asg | madclicker: sticky in what way? |
| 17:51.22 | SPT2 | stew: no idea? |
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| 17:51.46 | jass | exit |
| 17:52.00 | madclicker | asg, when a file is opened with SMB client the owner and the group wont change when modified by user? |
| 17:52.02 | stew | SPT2: ps aux | grep udevd |
| 17:52.26 | madclicker | asg, ignore the question mar |
| 17:52.29 | madclicker | mark |
| 17:52.59 | asg | madclicker: the ownership changes when you modify a file? I've never seen that before. Can you give us an example of what change occurs? |
| 17:53.10 | SPT2 | stew: it returns root and some stuff udevd then dave some stuff grep udevd |
| 17:53.33 | stew | SPT2: that's a yes. you have sd_mod and usb-storage loaded? |
| 17:53.48 | SPT2 | stew: yup |
| 17:54.41 | stew | SPT2: sounds like you need to configure udev to create /dev/sda or /dev/flash or whatever you want it to create |
| 17:54.48 | wajig | !source |
| 17:54.48 | dpkg | Use 'apt-setup' to add a deb-src line to your sources.list. Then 'apt-get build-dep foo' to fetch the build deps, then finally 'apt-get [-b] source foo' to retrieve the .orig.tar.gz, the .diff.gz and the .dsc. The source is unpacked in `pwd` and the diff.gz is applied. -b compiles it for you; if you want to compile it yourself, use "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" from within the unpacked dir. |
| 17:55.06 | asg | wajig: you can also /msg the bot too |
| 17:55.09 | SPT2 | stew: alright sounds like a plan. thanks |
| 17:55.10 | madclicker | asg, if you are using samba, when i file, lets say excell file is opened and modified, after it is saved the owner of the file will chanfe from root to the user who opened it. I want to keep it root |
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| 17:55.17 | wajig | asg: fhx |
| 17:55.20 | wajig | thx |
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| 17:55.59 | metal4o | icq |
| 17:56.00 | stew | SPT2: i have this in /etc/udev/rules.d/local.rules: BUS="scsi", SYSFS{model}="Flash Disk", NAME{all_partitions}="usbkey%n" |
| 17:56.17 | stew | SPT2: though "Flash Disk" might not be right depending on how yours shows up in dmesg |
| 17:56.26 | SPT2 | stew: ok |
| 17:56.32 | stew | SPT2: but that creates /dev/usbkey* entries for me |
| 17:57.10 | SPT2 | stew: ok ill try it out and if it doesnt work ill have a looky around some man pages |
| 17:57.28 | asg | madclicker: that sounds odd. Perhaps #samba knows or there is something in the docs (or www.oreilly.com/openbook) |
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| 17:58.29 | stew | SPT2: /usr/share/doc/udev/* also |
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| 17:59.06 | Xenguy | SOLVED: now loading 'xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap' via a shell script, using GNOMES's 'Startup Programs' dialogue. |
| 17:59.34 | saloxin | HeLpSysTeM: try gnome-meeting |
| 18:00.00 | saloxin | Xenguy: yay! |
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| 18:08.42 | ogzy | ok here i found something to give example, when i run deborphan -zs , i saw libiso9660-3 |
| 18:08.54 | ventz | hey everyone |
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| 18:08.58 | ogzy | then i used dpkg -s to get information about libiso9660-3 |
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| 18:09.13 | ventz | anoyone have an y experience with setting up pam to auto-create home dirs upon login if they don't exist? |
| 18:09.20 | ogzy | and according to it, it is used for reading and writing cdroms |
| 18:09.28 | ventz | for some reason it's not working for me with the pam_mkdomedir.so |
| 18:09.38 | ogzy | and indeed i read and write, so why is it orphaned? |
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| 18:10.05 | valdyn | ogzy: did you read anywhere that that library provides the *only* means to do what it does? |
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| 18:10.40 | yel | hello everyone! |
| 18:10.49 | ogzy | valdyn, no, i just feel suspicious |
| 18:10.56 | JimBowen | does anybody know why lsusb lists a different set of devices for root and a normal user? My scanner is invisible to my normal user, and I have to use xsane as root or it won't see it. I thought the output of lsusb was the same for all users, except for the detailed info? |
| 18:11.05 | ogzy | valdyn, so i can trust what i had seen at the deborphan output |
| 18:11.13 | valdyn | ogzy: it is safe to assume that depends in debian are correct |
| 18:11.15 | yel | it may sounds a bit stupid i just want to know if there is a tool like superadduser on debian sarge ? |
| 18:11.38 | valdyn | ogzy: now if cdrecord does not depend on libiso9660, then it doesnt need it |
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| 18:12.43 | ogzy | valdyn, but why should i check it, i thought deborphan should check it |
| 18:12.58 | valdyn | ogzy: who said you should? |
| 18:13.03 | thc | yel: adduser does the same exact thing that 'superadduser' does on other distros |
| 18:13.24 | ogzy | valdyn, no one, :) |
| 18:14.01 | yel | thc i knew that i only was wondering if its possible to have it on debian too i 'am migrating from gentoo to debian |
| 18:14.05 | ogzy | valdyn, i will give a presentation about apt, i dont want to say wrong words, thats why i am suspicious |
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| 18:14.32 | thc | yel: adduser on debian == superadduser anywhere else |
| 18:14.47 | ogzy | valdyn, some will ask me whether the deborphan is trustfull enough and we can remove files according to it |
| 18:14.55 | valdyn | ogzy: programs that 'work with' certain libraries 'must have' them to run. So deborphan cannot fail there ( unless you find a bug in debian ) |
| 18:15.06 | flora | i just installed debian sarge on a test box, if i want to upgrade to the latest-greatest do i just have to edit sources.list? |
| 18:15.11 | thc | yel: if you're asking if there is a superadduser package, there isn't because there is no need for one. |
| 18:15.13 | yel | thc thanks you man |
| 18:15.17 | asg | flora: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 18:15.29 | valdyn | ogzy: deborphan uses the debian package database, you can trust it to the extent you can trust the debian package management |
| 18:15.38 | yel | sorry i did not even try it on debian since i knew it differnt way from other distros |
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| 18:15.44 | ogzy | valdyn, ok, how about the output when i use -a parametre, it shows the programs i use |
| 18:15.49 | flora | thx asg |
| 18:16.12 | TheGeman | syntaxx, I had to run dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx but it never says anything it just prints the next command line |
| 18:16.14 | laruiss_ | can somebody help me to make mysqld log more info ? |
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| 18:16.21 | abrotman | i bet #mysql can |
| 18:16.25 | flora | sid hunh... i thot it was etch? |
| 18:16.31 | yel | if i want the suer created to be jailed how can i achieve that thc ? |
| 18:16.34 | ogzy | valdyn, i see gimp for eg at the output of deborphan -azs |
| 18:16.36 | syntaxx | TheGeman, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 not nvidia-glx |
| 18:16.40 | TheGeman | syntaxx, It is supposed to ask me if I want to install the TLS libraries |
| 18:17.06 | thc | yel: define 'jailed' |
| 18:17.12 | TheGeman | syntaxx, No no I didnt reboot after changing the version or w/e so it crashes when it loads the nvidia driver |
| 18:17.17 | curt | thot |
| 18:17.17 | yel | thc chrooted |
| 18:17.30 | flora | thought |
| 18:17.41 | valdyn | ogzy: non-libraries can provide 'optional' features of software, removing those will not keep the program from running but will remove 'optional' features |
| 18:17.44 | thc | yel: i'm not understanding you |
| 18:17.47 | syntaxx | TheGeman, its because u didnt install it succesfully ;) |
| 18:17.49 | asg | flora: no, etch is the testing release |
| 18:17.51 | TheGeman | syntaxx, And it says if you have that problem to do dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx adn install TLS libraries |
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| 18:18.02 | asg | flora: if that is what you want, /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 18:18.07 | TheGeman | syntaxx, I followed that guide exactly |
| 18:18.13 | syntaxx | TheGeman, your not reading carefully.. i told u to read carefully and follow carefully |
| 18:18.21 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:18.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:18.28 | valdyn | ogzy: so, for example, even if xmms does not depend on mikmod, removing mikmod will make xmms unable to playback mp3 files |
| 18:18.35 | syntaxx | TheGeman, no your not.. it u followed the guide correctly it must work fine just like mine :D |
| 18:18.42 | abrotman | !tell syntaxx about u |
| 18:18.54 | yel | thc the created user should be only to login be on his directory and make some limited tasks/ he should not be able to cd / and cd /home/someotheruser |
| 18:18.54 | syntaxx | sorry abrotman :D |
| 18:19.09 | valdyn | ogzy: ( that was an example, i'm not at all sure about the precise package names.. ) |
| 18:19.13 | abrotman | yel: jail/chroot ? |
| 18:19.22 | yel | abrotman, yes |
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| 18:19.32 | asg | yel: try pam_chroot |
| 18:19.34 | thc | yel: yes you can do that |
| 18:19.58 | ogzy | valdyn, ok i got it, but gimp is under main/graphics |
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| 18:20.20 | valdyn | ogzy: therefore, using deborpan on anything but libraries requires you to understand what a package you are about to remove supplies for whichever other package |
| 18:20.22 | yel | asg what doese pam_chroot do ? |
| 18:20.40 | valdyn | ogzy: so? |
| 18:20.40 | asg | yel: apt-cache show libpam-chroot |
| 18:20.52 | yel | thanks |
| 18:21.02 | deadcat | if i use btlaunchmanycurses, how do i stop or end one of the torrent without killing the whole thing? |
| 18:21.03 | asg | yel: you can also use a restricted shell but that is very difficult to make secure. |
| 18:21.23 | ogzy | valdyn, so what does that mean, gimp doesnt depend on anyother program?, i am trying to give a meaning |
| 18:21.57 | valdyn | ogzy: if deborphan -a lists gimp for you, then that means that no other package you have installed depends on gimp |
| 18:22.15 | yel | asg thanks that seem to be what i really want |
| 18:22.21 | yel | i mean http://sourceforge.net/projects/pam-chroot/ |
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| 18:23.05 | ogzy | valdyn, yes, and removing doesnt make sense if i am not using it anymore, thats nice |
| 18:23.17 | ultravio1et16 | anyone know how to plot x^2 in gnuplot? just the syntax? cause I can't do the carrot.. it's weird |
| 18:23.32 | ogzy | valdyn, can you suggest any resource that i can check exept from apt-how to related with commands |
| 18:23.39 | asg | ultravio1et16: maybe x**2 (just a guess) |
| 18:23.54 | asg | ultravio1et16: also, there are 4 people in #gnuplot who might know |
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| 18:24.08 | ogzy | valdyn, or let me ask you anyother way, which apt and dpkg commands do you use more and in which way |
| 18:24.20 | ultravio1et16 | asg: i'm already there =) |
| 18:24.25 | asg | heh |
| 18:24.27 | ultravio1et16 | thanks though, i'll try that |
| 18:24.38 | Faw_ | can anyone give me a hand with PAM authentication to Active Directory? |
| 18:24.38 | thc | ultravio1et16: there's 3 people you can ask then |
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| 18:25.12 | valdyn | ogzy: to many to list |
| 18:25.14 | ultravio1et16 | i asked here and in ##linux just to see if by any chance anyone knew since no one seems to be home over there |
| 18:25.20 | asg | Faw_: install libpam-krb5 krb5-config (answer prompts) edit /etc/pam.d/* to suit whatever services you need. Create users with the same name as AD |
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| 18:26.00 | ultravio1et16 | regardless, x**2 did the trick, thanks a lot! |
| 18:26.05 | ogzy | valdyn, ok, just a few unique ones that are different from regular one like apt-file search or thing written on howto |
| 18:26.07 | valdyn | ogzy: im not sure what the purpose if you quesion was, i use whatever apt-get / dpkg function i need |
| 18:26.09 | Faw_ | ok, I have most of that done already the thing is that I dont want to create the accounts in linux, is that possible? |
| 18:26.10 | asg | Faw_: make sure you use adduser --disabled-password when creating the accounts |
| 18:26.15 | ultravio1et16 | why the hell isn't it ^2 like C code?? stupid thing. |
| 18:26.29 | valdyn | ogzy: apt-get stats ? |
| 18:26.43 | asg | Faw_: it's possible but problematic and a pain |
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| 18:27.00 | asg | Faw_: easier just to create local accounts with --disabled-passwords and auth to AD |
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| 18:27.14 | valdyn | ogzy: hah, that wasnt it, i even forgot what i used to display the statistics.. i never read that howto |
| 18:27.17 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 18:27.18 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 18:27.23 | Faw_ | hmm, I have been looking and haven't found a howto for it |
| 18:27.24 | cougar` | Damn |
| 18:27.25 | valdyn | ogzy: ^^ maybe that isnt in the howto |
| 18:27.30 | cougar` | I just checked my auth.log and OMG |
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| 18:27.42 | asg | Faw_: the site that hosts the libpam-ldap module has some information |
| 18:27.47 | ogzy | valdyn, hýmm i didnt hear stats, whats that i was checking the man page |
| 18:27.49 | cougar` | People have been trying to brwak into my box using dictionary searches/name searches for the username |
| 18:27.51 | jshoenberger | What's All-2.0? |
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| 18:28.04 | asg | Faw_: padl.com |
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| 18:28.18 | petemc | cougar`: thats not people, its automated - the majority of the time |
| 18:28.35 | cougar` | Petemc : All I know it's scarin' me |
| 18:28.42 | cougar` | You mean that's normal? |
| 18:28.42 | dspstv | modules-assistan gives me this error when trying to compile pcmcia_cs for a 2.6.14 rc3 kernel |
| 18:28.43 | Faw_ | ok, thanks. I'll check |
| 18:28.49 | dspstv | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.51 | dspstv | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.55 | zinx | cougar`: on the internet? yes. |
| 18:29.02 | cougar` | Okay |
| 18:29.05 | valdyn | ogzy: it was apt-get stats |
| 18:29.08 | valdyn | ogzy: it was apt-cache stats |
| 18:29.21 | ogzy | valdyn, ok let me chech what it is |
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| 18:29.33 | cougar` | Can anyone tell me how to get sshd to log the ip addresses in which these attemps came from? |
| 18:29.38 | dspstv | what is that dpatch.make thing |
| 18:29.44 | tag | I just set up ssh but for some reason, I can connect to it but never log in |
| 18:29.46 | petemc | cougar`: it already does, in auth.log |
| 18:29.46 | jshoenberger | cougar`, apt-get install logcheck |
| 18:29.51 | SimonRaven | dspstv: simple, you lack something. called dpatch |
| 18:29.53 | valdyn | cougar`: what is it logging for you? |
| 18:29.55 | cougar` | Oct 14 08:59:58 mercury sshd[25289]: Illegal user abdullah from ::ffff:67.128.48.25 |
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| 18:29.59 | SimonRaven | dspstv: install it |
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| 18:30.04 | valdyn | cougar`: that IS an IP address |
| 18:30.04 | dspstv | SimonRaven oke |
| 18:30.11 | SimonRaven | cougar`: a bot trying to break in |
| 18:30.22 | ultravio1et16 | i think i've crossed from n00bie to intermediate user.. I wish i had more questions to ask. seems like it's so much fun. i miss it |
| 18:30.33 | cougar` | That's an IP adddress? Whats thw ffff? |
| 18:30.37 | asg | ultravio1et16: then lurk and start answering :) |
| 18:30.38 | caphuso | cougar`: IPv6 |
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| 18:30.39 | asg | cougar`: ipv6 |
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| 18:30.43 | cougar` | Oh okay |
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| 18:30.49 | cougar` | Thanks! |
| 18:30.54 | cougar` | Threw me off |
| 18:30.58 | cougar` | Never looked at my auth.log before |
| 18:31.00 | cougar` | OMG |
| 18:31.20 | tag | Telnetting to port 22 gives me the "SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4" banner |
| 18:31.23 | EdLin | !tell cougar` about enter |
| 18:31.27 | tag | but when I try to actually ssh 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:31.31 | SimonRaven | vulnerable sshds are in danger. i have a script and a set of iptables rules to take care of that shite |
| 18:31.32 | valdyn | cougar`: these bots are nothing unusual at all, you should see that daily ( or even hourly ) |
| 18:31.32 | tag | and I enter my password |
| 18:31.34 | tag | it just disconnects me |
| 18:31.38 | syntaxx | whats the common used log in root-tail? :D |
| 18:31.49 | stew | tag: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 18:31.56 | SimonRaven | debian's aren't, fyi ;) |
| 18:32.16 | SimonRaven | usually it's old rh boxen that haven't been updated or maintained, etc. |
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| 18:32.41 | cougar` | Thanks guys for claming me down. Sorry Edlin, it's a habbit for those IRC channels that move very quickly. |
| 18:32.59 | ogzy | valdyn, rdepends means, packages that depeng that package? right? |
| 18:33.02 | dspstv | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:33.10 | EdLin | SimonRaven: Debian's ssh allows root logins out of the box, you should change that. |
| 18:33.10 | valdyn | ogzy: yes |
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| 18:33.20 | dspstv | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.29 | ultravio1et16 | !tell ultraviolet16 about enter |
| 18:33.39 | dspstv | SimonRaven modulas-assistant fails there |
| 18:33.42 | ultravio1et16 | oh |
| 18:33.43 | ultravio1et16 | hehe |
| 18:33.46 | SimonRaven | EdLin: yeh, that should be changed, forgot about that. the bots still try 'root' anyway |
| 18:33.57 | ultravio1et16 | !tell ultraviolet16 about tell |
| 18:33.59 | dspstv | ninary arch errors |
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| 18:34.01 | ultravio1et16 | uh no. |
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| 18:34.06 | ultravio1et16 | !tell ultraviolet16 about !tell |
| 18:34.11 | elfredo | hmmm... |
| 18:34.15 | EdLin | ultravio1et16: /msg the bots |
| 18:34.19 | asg | !tell ultravio1et16 about /msg |
| 18:34.19 | elfredo | !tell elfredo about women |
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| 18:34.31 | phantom_ | Hi all |
| 18:34.38 | ultravio1et16 | ah thanks =) |
| 18:34.41 | ultravio1et16 | sorry |
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| 18:34.50 | phantom_ | any PHP guys arround? |
| 18:34.53 | SimonRaven | dspstv: you know, m-a is so easy it shouldn't be a problem starting over the build. i'd run something like m-a clean or whatever |
| 18:34.55 | elfredo | there really is an entry i do not believe it |
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| 18:34.59 | SimonRaven | phantom_: #php |
| 18:35.00 | asg | phantom_: #php has a ton of em |
| 18:35.06 | whoppix | hey anyone =) i just have a little question... if i want to switch from the stable to the testing tree, have i just to switch the "stable" in "deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main" to testing? |
| 18:35.15 | tag | Failed none for scottmc from ::ffff:192.168.0.1 port 3536 ssh2 ... some normal stuff, auth2_challenge-start: trying authentication method 'pam'...Postponed keyboard-interactive for scottmc from ::ffff:192.168.0.1 port 3536 ssh2, libgcc_s.so.1 must be installed for pthread_cancel to work, Postponed keyboard-interactive/pam for scottmc from ::ffff:192.168.0.1 port 3536 ssh2, mm_request_send:... |
| 18:35.17 | tag | ...write, do_cleanup... |
| 18:35.24 | deadcat | !tell whoppix about stable->testing |
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| 18:35.29 | whoppix | thx =) |
| 18:35.30 | tag | stew: that doesn't really tell me why it failed |
| 18:35.34 | phantom_ | SimonRaven: It's debian related :-) |
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| 18:36.07 | phantom_ | is there a php-pecl package, something like the php-pear one? |
| 18:36.15 | poppor | I have a question..what is the typical upgrade method for a debian system |
| 18:36.34 | cougar` | Hey all : I forget can I rename a user? |
| 18:36.40 | asg | phantom_: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:36.45 | caphuso | cougar`: sure |
| 18:36.47 | jshoenberger | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 18:36.49 | jshoenberger | ? |
| 18:37.02 | ultravio1et16 | man i wouldn't do testing. |
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| 18:37.07 | unixguy | Is it possible to get awk to print a variable like $1 in "" |
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| 18:37.15 | cougar` | caphuso : How? |
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| 18:37.28 | unixguy | so that it would print something lke "user name" |
| 18:37.31 | EdLin | unixguy: if you want to avoid variable expansion use single quotes (') |
| 18:37.32 | poppor | jshoenberger: what exactly does that upgrade ? everything? |
| 18:37.36 | asg | unixguy: '{print $1" some stuff"$2"some more stuff"}' |
| 18:37.36 | caphuso | cougar`: change /etc/{passwd,shadow,group} and anything else that refers to that user by name |
| 18:37.54 | jshoenberger | poppor, every package that you installed from debian that's marked for upgrade |
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| 18:38.02 | morluk | lo |
| 18:38.23 | phantom_ | asg: I already did an apt-get search pecl, with no luck |
| 18:38.42 | phantom_ | OK, if it not there, it not there :-( |
| 18:38.57 | SimonRaven | dh-make-php - Creating debian source packages for pear and pecl extensions |
| 18:39.01 | asg | phantom_: then probably not. I know there is now a dh-make-php in unstable |
| 18:39.08 | poppor | jshoenberger: you mean that could upgrade also KDE ? |
| 18:39.09 | unixguy | EdLin: doesn't work |
| 18:39.20 | phantom_ | never mind, I found what I was looking for (not like U2 :-) ) |
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| 18:39.39 | jshoenberger | poppor, Yessir |
| 18:39.40 | unixguy | Example: cat /etc/passwd | awk '{print "$1"}' needs to print "username" in quotes |
| 18:39.41 | tag | what the hell is up with ssh |
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| 18:40.12 | ogzy | valdyn, ok, i didnt get the meaning of the evey detail of apt-cache stats |
| 18:40.14 | poppor | jshoenberger: cool.. but when you say marked for upgrade.. how do you do the markings ? |
| 18:40.30 | phantom_ | asg: dh-make-php is in testing to :-) |
| 18:40.33 | EdLin | unixguy: awk '{print \""$1"\"}' |
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| 18:40.39 | phantom_ | anyway, thanks |
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| 18:40.49 | asg | phantom_: I don't track testing, just stable and sid |
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| 18:41.00 | jshoenberger | poppor, They're marked server side, you don't have to mark anything |
| 18:41.06 | jshoenberger | !tell poppor about update |
| 18:41.17 | poppor | aha |
| 18:41.33 | ultravio1et16 | what's the command to see a list of rooms? |
| 18:41.58 | EdLin | unixguy: ugh, that doesn't work either. sorry. |
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| 18:42.18 | caphuso | unixguy: awk '{print "\"" $1 "\""}' |
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| 18:42.32 | caphuso | although i'm not sure that i actually understand the problem |
| 18:42.50 | abrotman | ultravio1et16: /list |
| 18:42.51 | ultravio1et16 | ah forget it, it was /list.. just had to add the -YES option |
| 18:42.52 | poppor | jshoenberger: can you upgrade kde while your using it ? |
| 18:42.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:42.59 | caphuso | why do you need quotes around every line of /etc/passwd? |
| 18:43.00 | ultravio1et16 | thanks abrotman |
| 18:43.05 | jshoenberger | Yes |
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| 18:43.49 | poppor | cool |
| 18:43.57 | ultravio1et16 | my god there are so many rooms |
| 18:44.01 | stew | !room |
| 18:44.01 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 18:44.10 | ultravio1et16 | channels channels |
| 18:44.11 | asg | my god, it's full of stars |
| 18:44.19 | ultravio1et16 | =) |
| 18:44.28 | abrotman | i wanna be a star! |
| 18:44.35 | asg | !prize abrotman |
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| 18:44.47 | unixguy | caphuso: Thanks, that saved me a ton of time |
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| 18:45.18 | jshoenberger | abrotman, A big bright shining star? |
| 18:45.33 | asg | jshoenberger: make him show you his umbrella hat |
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| 18:45.43 | jshoenberger | :D |
| 18:46.29 | tgwj | hi! in my gnome debian menu [sid] all entries appear twice, I think since running update-menus as a normal user. where is the menu saved / how can I fix this ? |
| 18:46.43 | jass | I want to disable one users ssh login, but allow the user to log in from ftp, I tried changin it's shell to /bin/false in /etc/passwd, but then it doesnt let the user to log in to ftp also |
| 18:46.51 | jass | what might be the solution? |
| 18:47.11 | stew | tgwj: /msg dpkg double menus |
| 18:47.17 | asg | jass: there is a DenyUsers or similar config in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 18:47.22 | asg | jass: man sshd_config |
| 18:47.37 | jass | asg: okay, thnks |
| 18:47.56 | abrotman | ftponly ? |
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| 18:48.27 | tgwj | stew, thanks |
| 18:48.32 | grautvornix | hi |
| 18:48.38 | deadcat | jass: try creating a simple shellscript with just echo this account is ftp only and use that as the user's shell |
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| 18:49.03 | jasonmc | anyone have problems with upgrading xfree86 to x.org? i'm getting a no screens found error everytime |
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| 18:49.44 | abrotman | jasonmc: did you look in /var/log/xorg0.log or whatever it's called ? |
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| 18:49.53 | Daedalus_ | !logfile |
| 18:49.53 | dpkg | Back in the good old days, we would just look in the system log file to see what was really going on. The new crowd of Linux users would rather not have to do that, however; they expect the system to tell them, politely, that their hardware is on fire and that they are about to deeply regret not having run any backups since sometime last winter. Logs are typically found in /var/log/ |
| 18:50.04 | abrotman | how about jass just add /bin/false to /etc/shells ? |
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| 18:50.12 | ivanneto | Does anyone know how I can turn the "Num lock" enabled every time I turn on my machine? |
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| 18:50.30 | asg | Daedalus_: you can always use 'sec' to look at the logs for you and provide such feedback ;) |
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| 18:50.54 | asg | ivanneto: for X or console? |
| 18:51.15 | ivanneto | asg: for X! |
| 18:51.25 | asg | ivanneto: you could use numlockx the |
| 18:51.26 | asg | n |
| 18:51.41 | jass | abrotman: thnks, it worked |
| 18:51.41 | poppor | debian is free.. why do people spend so much time programming and maintaining it for free? |
| 18:52.10 | jjazz | poppor, secret payments from an anti-Microsoft cabal |
| 18:52.14 | ivanneto | asg: I didn't understand... |
| 18:52.23 | abrotman | jass: as it should ... |
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| 18:52.34 | poppor | jjazz: yea right |
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| 18:52.51 | abrotman | poppor: because otherwise .. we'd just be a bunch of windows gaming dorks |
| 18:53.06 | asg | ivanneto: install the numlockx package |
| 18:53.24 | ultravio1et16 | yea, i get my payments monthly.. looks like foodstamp card, but it's the skulls |
| 18:53.35 | poppor | abrotman: I'm not saying it's bad.. I love it..but just can't understand |
| 18:53.38 | jjazz | poppor, you're just jealous because you're not in on the payments... sweet sweet cash for every line of code |
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| 18:53.45 | ivanneto | asg: OK! Thanks! |
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| 18:54.05 | abrotman | jjazz: i write lots of comments :) |
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| 18:54.08 | poppor | abrotman: from all my friends I'm the only one running linux and they keep asking me why is it free.. who creates it etc..etc.. |
| 18:54.12 | ultravio1et16 | poppor: it's not so hard once you understand it |
| 18:54.13 | abrotman | /today i'm going to take a nap |
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| 18:54.19 | abrotman | //and then i'll walk the dog |
| 18:54.37 | jjazz | abrotman, the pay for comments is not so good. That's why so many free software projects are so poorly documented. We should raise it with the union. |
| 18:54.37 | abrotman | !tell poppor about why debian |
| 18:54.46 | ultravio1et16 | poppor: because money isn't always the reward that people look for |
| 18:54.51 | abrotman | jjazz: this is why we outsource our commenting! |
| 18:55.33 | abrotman | jjazz: those commenters in west virginia are great "Yeah .. duh .. this kunda luks lik it oughta print somes stufs" |
| 18:55.35 | poppor | ultravio1et16: it's great .. I which I knew enough to help them :) |
| 18:55.43 | poppor | which/whish |
| 18:55.49 | cahoot_ | poppor: why did van Gogh paint - never sold much in his life |
| 18:55.49 | abrotman | poppor: you don't have to be a coder to help |
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| 18:56.06 | abrotman | how else would he get his ear back ? |
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| 18:56.39 | poppor | abrotman: well coding would be the most help probably |
| 18:56.53 | abrotman | poppor: you could be a translater .. or a documenter |
| 18:57.13 | abrotman | or a bug finder/reporter |
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| 18:57.35 | poppor | yeah |
| 18:57.38 | asg | or beer provider |
| 18:57.47 | poppor | hehe |
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| 18:58.05 | tgwj | how can I prevent endless hardware detection during boot ? can't it just remember the modules needed ? |
| 18:58.24 | bam | compile your own kernel |
| 18:58.34 | tgwj | is it the only way ? |
| 18:58.36 | cahoot_ | tgwj: disable discover maybe |
| 18:58.37 | abrotman | disable hotplug/udev/discover |
| 18:58.49 | Spec | documenters are rare people |
| 18:58.58 | Rawplayer | are there special install disks if you have a promise sata controller? |
| 18:59.11 | sgeigerbot | thespiritoftal: don't send people private /msgs |
| 18:59.18 | tgwj | i threw out discover a while ago, but I don't want to part with udev. |
| 18:59.22 | abrotman | Rawplayer: did you try the linux26 image of the sarge installer ? |
| 18:59.39 | tgwj | and udev replaces hotplug nowadays. |
| 18:59.47 | ultravio1et16 | I just learned latex. I plan on help some documenting in the winter |
| 18:59.50 | ultravio1et16 | probably jan |
| 18:59.51 | Rawplayer | abrotman: o i can choose?:) |
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| 18:59.59 | abrotman | Rawplayer: o you can |
| 19:00.00 | Rawplayer | its the first sarge install i'am gonne make |
| 19:00.05 | abrotman | !ig |
| 19:00.05 | dpkg | it has been said that ig is the install guide for stable: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for woody (oldstable): http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual |
| 19:00.08 | Rawplayer | last cd i used was woody ) |
| 19:00.10 | Rawplayer | :) |
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| 19:00.18 | abrotman | you could choose in woody too |
| 19:00.27 | Rawplayer | for 2.6? |
| 19:00.35 | tgwj | but not 2.6 in woody |
| 19:00.40 | Rawplayer | hehe |
| 19:00.40 | Rawplayer | ;p |
| 19:00.43 | tgwj | but woody is OLD |
| 19:00.48 | sgeigerbot | thespiritoftal: OS fingerprinting comes in two varieties: passive and active. p0f does passive fingerprinting. You want something that does active fingerprinting. Try nmap or xprobe2. sudo nmap -O 192.168.200.9 or sudo xprobe2 -v -P -T25 univac.foo.com |
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| 19:01.24 | sorush20 | its just amazing how photoshop is about 175mb but gimp is 20mb |
| 19:01.26 | ultravio1et16 | first time i installed debian begining of this year i installed woody.. and man it was like eating cardboard |
| 19:02.13 | abrotman | sorush20: it's amazing how photoshop is the de facto standard and gimp is .. gimp :) |
| 19:02.15 | sgeigerbot | sorush20: they are different tools entirely. |
| 19:02.20 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: :-) |
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| 19:02.46 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: It's so amazing that you are a relative of Benjamin Franklin and ESR |
| 19:02.56 | jass | any hot chicks here? ;) |
| 19:03.04 | ultravio1et16 | chicks don't use linux. |
| 19:03.05 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: he lives about 10 miles from my office |
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| 19:03.11 | abrotman | jass: wrong question |
| 19:03.19 | L0g0ff | hello |
| 19:03.26 | jass | abrotman: just trying to make a joke |
| 19:03.37 | abrotman | right ... |
| 19:03.43 | ultravio1et16 | has anyone met a girl in real life that uses linux? |
| 19:03.45 | andrownz | hey, what do you use to automount any hotplug device (I mean you plug it, it mounts it) ? can hotplug do the job? or do I have to install autofs? |
| 19:03.47 | sgeigerbot | jass: /bin/false |
| 19:03.50 | L0g0ff | is there anybody here with icewm and a resolution of 1280x1024 or higher? |
| 19:03.54 | jass | life isn't all about programming and computers, abrotman |
| 19:03.54 | ultravio1et16 | i mean.. like a hot girl =) |
| 19:03.56 | stew | ultravio1et16: my wife |
| 19:04.01 | jass | see, sgeigerbot got me :) |
| 19:04.02 | abrotman | jass: you forgot beer .. jeez |
| 19:04.08 | abrotman | jass: and i really am not a developer |
| 19:04.38 | ultravio1et16 | stew: did you meet her in irc? ;) |
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| 19:04.52 | Spec | ultravio1et16: I've met many female linux users... |
| 19:05.04 | Spec | some of them just don't know it ;) |
| 19:05.05 | sgeigerbot | ultravio1et16: :-) |
| 19:05.06 | jjazz | ultravio1et16, I know several women that use linux in real life. |
| 19:05.12 | jass | where are you all from? |
| 19:05.18 | abrotman | earth! |
| 19:05.19 | Daedalus_ | I work with 4 hot linux women |
| 19:05.29 | Daedalus_ | They are very normal |
| 19:05.31 | sgeigerbot | jass: now you are getting too personal |
| 19:05.32 | abrotman | except jjazz .. he's from some other planet where yankees fans live |
| 19:05.34 | jass | linux and hot chicks don't mix |
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| 19:05.46 | grautvornix | convert `em |
| 19:05.47 | Spec | jass: perhaps that's your own luck |
| 19:05.49 | RvGaTe | jass -> you're wrong |
| 19:05.52 | jass | well, do you know where Estonia is? |
| 19:05.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:05.56 | jjazz | Sometimes I wish NYC was a different planet where the Yankeess win in the postseason |
| 19:05.57 | Daedalus_ | jass: Dated 2 of them... |
| 19:05.57 | ultravio1et16 | i want to meet a hot linux chick. |
| 19:06.04 | Spec | Do you know where Elbonia is? |
| 19:06.07 | ultravio1et16 | i'm going to start a lug here |
| 19:06.12 | L0g0ff | only ugly women likes computers |
| 19:06.13 | ultravio1et16 | in efforts to attract hot women |
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| 19:06.22 | abrotman | oh ffs .. no more women talk |
| 19:06.28 | Spec | agree |
| 19:06.31 | sgeigerbot | !+ffs |
| 19:06.31 | dpkg | from memory, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
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| 19:06.41 | jass | jeez, you're boring |
| 19:06.46 | jjazz | ultravio1et16, congratulations, that's the stupidest thing I've heard anybody say today. |
| 19:06.47 | Spec | !snafu |
| 19:06.47 | dpkg | methinks snafu is Situation Normal: All fux0red up. See also fux0red. |
| 19:06.48 | jass | but I'll cope |
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| 19:07.10 | abrotman | jjazz: the yankees suck! |
| 19:07.12 | ultravio1et16 | jjazz: bull |
| 19:07.13 | abrotman | do i win now? |
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| 19:07.29 | jjazz | abrotman, you are the current leader |
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| 19:07.39 | abrotman | jjazz: is cashman gone? |
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| 19:07.45 | Daedalus_ | !beer abrotman |
| 19:07.55 | abrotman | woohoo . home brew! |
| 19:08.17 | jjazz | abrotman, Only he knows for sure. |
| 19:08.28 | abrotman | jjazz: dude .. stottlemyre left ?!?! |
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| 19:09.06 | jjazz | abrotman, he's been threatening to go for years. He's tired of the abuse. And, frankly, with all the problems our pitchers have had, it's time for new blood. |
| 19:09.17 | L0g0ff | is there anybody here with icewm and a resolution of 1280x1024 or higher? |
| 19:09.32 | Spec | !anybody |
| 19:09.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:09.33 | syntaxx | any suggestion what to do in linux when your port is being blocked by your isp and cant even up your webserver and email server? hehe |
| 19:09.34 | abrotman | i'm sure .. ask your real question |
| 19:09.46 | abrotman | syntaxx: get a new ISP |
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| 19:09.54 | bassgoon | http://tinyurl.com/7a4zn |
| 19:09.57 | bassgoon | whoops wrong window |
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| 19:10.08 | ultravio1et16 | syntaxx: i got the same issue |
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| 19:10.11 | Spec | syntaxx: how's verizon working out for you? |
| 19:10.19 | syntaxx | abrotman, heh currently there's no other cable isp here in my place.. only dial up :D |
| 19:10.28 | abrotman | dialup won't block anything :) |
| 19:10.29 | syntaxx | Spec, err? verizon? |
| 19:10.32 | ultravio1et16 | i just forwarded port 8080 to my webserver |
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| 19:10.39 | abrotman | yeah .. he can't do that with mail |
| 19:10.40 | Spec | syntaxx: sorry, verizon is well-known to block port 80 |
| 19:10.46 | ultravio1et16 | and told apache to listen to port 8080 |
| 19:10.49 | L0g0ff | ok my problem is i cannot read iceme because the fonts are too small to read :( |
| 19:10.49 | syntaxx | abrotman, thats right but downloading speed is sucks |
| 19:10.59 | abrotman | you'll live |
| 19:10.59 | syntaxx | Spec, cant even forward my port lol |
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| 19:11.09 | EdLin | abrotman: my dial-up ISP blocks SMTP |
| 19:11.11 | ultravio1et16 | syntaxx: why? |
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| 19:11.21 | abrotman | EdLin: good ISP! |
| 19:11.25 | jjazz | L0g0ff, if fonts are too small, then you need a lower resolution, not a higher one |
| 19:11.26 | EdLin | abrotman: not gmail's alternate port though. ;-) |
| 19:11.27 | syntaxx | Spec, even i forward my port its being blocked though lol |
| 19:11.31 | abrotman | hehhe |
| 19:11.46 | Spec | do: foobar.no-ip.com -> foobar2.no-ip.com:8080, foorbar2.no-ip.com:8080 -> my.own.IP:8080 |
| 19:11.50 | Rawplayer | so it should be possible to install sarge on a sata disk |
| 19:11.53 | Rawplayer | from installation |
| 19:11.54 | EdLin | abrotman: yes, it is a good ISP. Free and unlimited - albeit at 56K |
| 19:11.55 | Rawplayer | cd |
| 19:11.55 | abrotman | Rawplayer: yes |
| 19:12.02 | Rawplayer | its btw a smp machine |
| 19:12.03 | abrotman | EdLin: nothing wrong with that |
| 19:12.05 | abrotman | Rawplayer: YES |
| 19:12.08 | abrotman | !ig |
| 19:12.08 | dpkg | ig is, like, the install guide for stable: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for woody (oldstable): http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual |
| 19:12.11 | syntaxx | Spec, already did that but my isp blocked or incoming port hehe |
| 19:12.22 | Spec | incoming everything? |
| 19:12.24 | jass | i remember a thing called 'fortune', whats the apt package for it? i installed fortune-mod, but the command fortune doesnt work, whats the command or package? |
| 19:12.32 | L0g0ff | jjazz, i have a LCD display. If i take down my resolution i can count the pixels :( |
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| 19:12.38 | humbolt | can I run into trouble if I setup postfix as my private smtp server and use it for mail delivery, while I am behind a NATing Router? |
| 19:12.38 | Spec | jass: apt-cache search fortune |
| 19:12.40 | Spec | !fortune |
| 19:12.40 | dpkg | methinks fortune is a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement |
| 19:12.46 | syntaxx | Spec, i guess because even i port forward it didnt work |
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| 19:12.56 | Spec | port forward on your own router? |
| 19:13.01 | jjazz | L0g0ff, then you need a larger font |
| 19:13.09 | syntaxx | Spec, yeah |
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| 19:13.22 | Spec | incoming 8080 -> your.server's.ip:80 ? |
| 19:13.23 | ultravio1et16 | maybe they block a range of ports.. |
| 19:13.25 | L0g0ff | jazz, is that difficult to setup ? |
| 19:13.27 | ultravio1et16 | you gotta find out what they block |
| 19:13.35 | syntaxx | Spec, all incoming even psybnc hehe |
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| 19:13.43 | jjazz | L0g0ff, I don't know. I just use the defaults in xfce4. |
| 19:14.07 | L0g0ff | xfce is fine by me... but icewm don't |
| 19:14.08 | Spec | syntaxx: that sucks; don't know what to tell you |
| 19:14.09 | syntaxx | Spec, because im on wireless network and being natted somewhere in their server |
| 19:14.10 | jjazz | L0g0ff, but specific apps often have settings for their fonts if it's just in one or two spots that you can't see. |
| 19:14.25 | syntaxx | Spec, yeah it sucks.. thats why i have no idea what to do next hehe |
| 19:14.37 | cahoot_ | L0g0ff: see if you put the 100dpi fonts before 75dpi fonts in the font config helps |
| 19:14.37 | Spec | get a new ISP |
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| 19:14.50 | jass | Spec: i install most everything that seems the right thing, but it doesnt work |
| 19:14.53 | L0g0ff | jjazz, so the only good ion is to lower my resolution ? |
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| 19:15.17 | jass | Spec: but, actually, nevermind, i don't want to bother you with stupid questions |
| 19:15.19 | syntaxx | Spec, i just wish i can.. there's no other isp here that is unlimited and a lot fast than dial up |
| 19:15.20 | jjazz | L0g0ff, no. The better solution is to increase the font size. I, however, am ignorant of the process for doing so. |
| 19:15.23 | L0g0ff | ok ill try the fix that in my xfree86 config |
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| 19:16.17 | L0g0ff | thanks for the info jjazz |
| 19:16.17 | EdLin | abrotman: for a while my ISP didn't block SMTP, but some a-holes probably abused that so they started blocking it. |
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| 19:16.31 | L0g0ff | btw how can i sent message like you ? |
| 19:16.35 | abrotman | i agree .. smtp should be blocked |
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| 19:16.39 | abrotman | by default anyways |
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| 19:16.46 | EdLin | abrotman: yeah, spammers |
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| 19:17.34 | syntaxx | Spec, so any suggestion what to do except for get a new isp? gege |
| 19:17.39 | syntaxx | s/gege/hehe |
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| 19:17.46 | L0g0ff | \speak |
| 19:17.47 | jjazz | syntaxx, what's with all the giggling? |
| 19:17.57 | deepan | can i get time displayed in my shell prompt... say instead of [user@home~]$ i want [2:23]$ |
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| 19:18.17 | syntaxx | jjazz, nothing i just want to laugh at my isp :D |
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| 19:18.28 | EdLin | deepan: use screen and type ^A^T. :-) |
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| 19:18.52 | gunnix | hey, I try to install xserver-xfree86 but apt-get always selects xserver-xorg instead! Anyone knows how I can install xfree86? |
| 19:19.02 | jjazz | syntaxx, you could get a satelite isp |
| 19:19.15 | EdLin | deepan: seriously though there should be a way, even if it means parsing date's output into your shell prompt variable. |
| 19:19.16 | syntaxx | !tell deepan bashrc |
| 19:19.41 | marculix | gunnix: install x.org, xfree86 is dead |
| 19:19.45 | syntaxx | jjazz, in our country its not that updated like in your country =/ |
| 19:20.07 | syntaxx | !tell deepan about bashrc |
| 19:20.12 | EdLin | gunnix: install Sarge, which uses xfree86 |
| 19:20.17 | Spec | syntaxx: nope, i haven't any suggestions :p |
| 19:20.19 | gunnix | marculix: only xfree86 works with my card |
| 19:20.20 | EdLin | !d-i gunnix |
| 19:20.21 | dpkg | gunnix, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:20.22 | jjazz | syntaxx, then I think you're solution is to get a shell account on the 'net somewhere. |
| 19:20.56 | deepan | bashrc does not answer my question .. syntaxx |
| 19:21.06 | EdLin | marculix: Debian xfree86 has plenty of patches for hardware support from xorg, and it's far from being "dead" in comparison, there isn't much difference yet. |
| 19:21.16 | gunnix | in xfree86 I can use s3 driver, in xorg only vesa works with less performance |
| 19:21.37 | syntaxx | jjazz, yeah thats the only solution.. |
| 19:21.54 | EdLin | gunnix: install Sarge, which as a novice you probably want anyway. |
| 19:21.56 | syntaxx | deepan, topic tips and tricks in bash |
| 19:22.00 | marculix | EdLin: Then use XFree86 |
| 19:22.04 | spoopin | deepan: google for 'bash prompt howto' |
| 19:22.07 | EdLin | marculix: I am |
| 19:22.13 | marculix | EdLin: fine |
| 19:22.19 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 19:22.19 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
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| 19:22.51 | EdLin | marculix: well, unless you consider Sarge to be full of dead packages xfree in Sarge is not in a "dead" state. |
| 19:23.19 | tag | how do I do x11 forwarding without ssh? |
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| 19:23.32 | flora | can anyone help a relative newbie... how do i search for something inside of files? |
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| 19:23.43 | flora | eg i want to search /var/www for a certain string inside every file |
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| 19:23.54 | EdLin | flora: grep |
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| 19:24.00 | wm3t | flora: grep <string> * |
| 19:24.00 | spoopin | tag: why on earth would you want to? |
| 19:24.01 | syntaxx | flora, cat * | grep <line> |
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| 19:24.08 | tag | because its not working? |
| 19:24.09 | pipeline | abrotman: I swear that quote gets used once a day |
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| 19:24.27 | flora | spoopin: i have to do a mass find/replace of a link |
| 19:24.29 | pipeline | gunnix: matrox mga cards go for a dollar on ebay. |
| 19:24.32 | EdLin | syntaxx: uneccesary use of cat #1 |
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| 19:24.38 | pipeline | gunnix: Hell, if you'll pay shipping, I'll send you a decent video card for free. |
| 19:24.49 | flora | thx wm3t, syntaxx... i'll try that |
| 19:25.36 | wm3t | flora: i used that just last night to change an include on a website.. worked greate |
| 19:26.01 | flora | thats what i have to do |
| 19:26.02 | alys | I want to use an Optical Mark Reader, currently installed on a Win XP machine on my Linux box? Will it work 'as is' or do I have to compile support into the kernel. The OMR attaches to the serial port rather than to USB. |
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| 19:26.13 | flora | so you used grep to find all the occurances, then what did you use to change 'em? :) |
| 19:26.17 | flora | ls |
| 19:26.20 | flora | oops |
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| 19:26.28 | jordan | Hello all, I'm trying to get my ati mobility x700 to work in Sarge |
| 19:26.30 | jordan | Any ideas |
| 19:26.42 | jordan | MY Xserver will not run, I'm just using text-mode irc in terminal |
| 19:26.46 | wm3t | flora: then i used vi to change the include |
| 19:26.58 | flora | gotcha |
| 19:26.59 | pumpkin0 | jordan: what about vesa-mode ? |
| 19:27.02 | jordan | any ideas on how to set up an ATI Card for SARGE, i just bought this acer ferrari about 2 months ago |
| 19:27.04 | jordan | tried Vesa |
| 19:27.11 | jordan | error was no modes found |
| 19:27.18 | jordan | or no compatible modesw |
| 19:27.18 | EdLin | flora: you may be able to use sed or awk in a pipe to change them automatically. |
| 19:27.20 | gunnix | pipeline: ye, but this one works fine, and I don't think any fancy cards work in a 166mhz computer anyway :p |
| 19:27.28 | flora | wm3t: are you familiar with rpl ? |
| 19:27.29 | Rawplayer | hmm, are there any custom debian images created? |
| 19:27.31 | pumpkin0 | jordan: did you set the right modes for that TFT ? |
| 19:27.31 | initiate | i have a minor problem - when i start my puter the debian loads a window to login and automatically starts X after that ... how can i do it to load just to console and login there ? |
| 19:27.32 | Rawplayer | with newer kernels |
| 19:27.40 | pipeline | gunnix: Of course they do. |
| 19:27.46 | wm3t | no, not familar with it |
| 19:27.48 | jordan | pumpkin - well it's a widescreen, does that mean TFT? |
| 19:27.54 | pipeline | gunnix: Seriously. Send me shipping and I will USPS you a decent card. |
| 19:27.55 | EdLin | !tell initiate about nodm |
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| 19:28.01 | flora | lets you do the same thing all in one whoosh |
| 19:28.04 | initiate | thanks EdLin |
| 19:28.07 | flora | you can apt-get it |
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| 19:28.18 | jordan | pumpkin - and all i know is my monotr is a 15.3 WXGA |
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| 19:28.41 | pumpkin0 | jordan: TFT = Display. widescreen is always a problem, ypu need to set the resolution by hand |
| 19:29.02 | jordan | pumpkin - OK, any ideas, so i probably can't use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 19:29.38 | jordan | pumpkin - oh and also this monitor supports basic resolutions also, i mean it will run 800x600, just looks goofy, in linux nothing runs but 320x160, or something really small liek that |
| 19:29.45 | wm3t | flora: tnx |
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| 19:29.54 | gunnix | pipeline: I appreciate the offer but no thx |
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| 19:30.41 | pumpkin0 | jordan: Yes, but the driver doublechecks if the resolution is upported by the display. And widescreens do not officaly support any normal resolutions |
| 19:30.54 | jordan | pumpkin - i guess i assumed that 3D hardware rendering was out of the ? for now, but i mean i can't even get into the xServer, unless i use that basic vga driver which is illusable |
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| 19:31.02 | haakonn | hi, i'm using openntpd, and it seems to set the hardware clock, not the software clock. is it possible to change this? |
| 19:31.08 | justin__3 | stupid irssi |
| 19:31.10 | jordan | pumpkin - ok, any ideas then? |
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| 19:31.30 | jordan | pumkin - See I"m slightly a newb, not bad tho, i'd say amateur |
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| 19:31.40 | wm3t | jordan: what is your video card and is it a laptop? Sorry if you already said |
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| 19:32.03 | pumpkin0 | wm3t: x700 mob on widescreen |
| 19:32.09 | jordan | wm3t - Acer Ferrari 4005WLMI, radeon mobil x700, laptop 15.3 WXGA |
| 19:32.21 | jordan | when i use ATI driver, it says no screens found |
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| 19:32.34 | jordan | when i use vga driver it just looks absolutely terrible, and nothing else seemed to wojrk |
| 19:32.40 | wm3t | jordan: ok. is that xfree86 or xorg? |
| 19:32.45 | jordan | xfree |
| 19:32.59 | jordan | kernel 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 19:33.04 | xidaux | Where can I find a map or list of IP blocks (number range) sorted by country ? |
| 19:33.05 | jordan | default with Debian 3.1 |
| 19:33.08 | jordan | Sarge |
| 19:33.13 | wm3t | going to dcc part of my config that works on a 15.3 WXGA |
| 19:34.00 | jordan | ok wm3t, it says DCC chat request received, now what? |
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| 19:34.11 | wm3t | click accept |
| 19:34.12 | jordan | kinda a newb to IRC, not bad tho, i just don't know the commands exactly |
| 19:34.20 | jordan | well i'm in terminal, using irc |
| 19:34.24 | meff | you could pastebin it to him, wm3t |
| 19:34.26 | jordan | i've been using elinks and irc LOL |
| 19:34.30 | jordan | not in knoppix or n e thing |
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| 19:35.47 | dieg | Excuse the off topic please. where can I ask a question about the cdrecord source code? i don't know where is defined the __PR macro. |
| 19:35.47 | wm3t | not sure how to do that. meff |
| 19:35.47 | meff | wm3t: http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 19:35.47 | jordan | ok |
| 19:35.48 | jordan | Ok and u have 15.3 also/ |
| 19:35.48 | jordan | ? |
| 19:35.48 | flogiston | Im thinking of buying a nvidia card to replace my radeon 9600. What card should give the same performance in i linux? |
| 19:35.48 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:35.48 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:35.48 | abrotman | ask .. #nvidia ? |
| 19:35.48 | wm3t | tnx meff, will check out |
| 19:36.14 | flogiston | abrotman: I'll ask there then. |
| 19:36.16 | meff | wm3t: paste your config there, click paste, toss the url to jordan |
| 19:36.17 | jordan | wm3t, i'm not sure how to get that info from you and put it into a log or ne thing, see i can't go up and read everything |
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| 19:36.37 | jordan | hey there ya go, good idea |
| 19:36.41 | jordan | meff |
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| 19:36.58 | flogiston | abrotman: what server? |
| 19:37.03 | abrotman | this one |
| 19:37.08 | abrotman | flogiston: /j #nvidia |
| 19:37.10 | jordan | see i'm running xfree tho, does that matter |
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| 19:37.21 | flogiston | Thanks again. |
| 19:37.29 | wm3t | jordan: http://rafb.net/paste/results/IIFPYf40.html |
| 19:37.41 | wm3t | thanks for the tip meff |
| 19:37.44 | meff | np |
| 19:37.48 | jordan | k what about conflicts between ur config and mine, since u use xorg |
| 19:37.55 | sgeigerbot | Who is this guy "again" and why is everyone thanking him? |
| 19:38.08 | meff | they're virtually the same config, jordan..except for the keymap name |
| 19:38.15 | master_of_master | hi, is it possible to set "mountd" to listen at a certain port? |
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| 19:38.40 | wm3t | i only sent the screen layout info |
| 19:38.48 | abrotman | !ur |
| 19:38.48 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
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| 19:38.57 | jordan | ok thanx, hopefully this will help, so should i use the ATI driver now |
| 19:38.57 | meff | the important part that you need, jordan is the Modeline line. |
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| 19:39.05 | jordan | i mean i'll hafta reconfig my xfreeserver to VGA |
| 19:39.09 | jordan | i mean bak to ATI |
| 19:39.15 | Angevin | What kind of file is a *?*dat file ? A windows format ? |
| 19:39.26 | wm3t | i am using the ati driver w/ xorg, so i don't really know |
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| 19:39.48 | sgeigerbot | !ur also looks like a beer mug |
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| 19:41.01 | wm3t | laptop -> Dell Inspiron 8600 running Debian Sarge Unstable/Testing |
| 19:41.09 | jordan | i need the modeline line mefff? |
| 19:41.16 | jordan | hopefully this works, thanks alot for the help guys |
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| 19:41.47 | wm3t | i hope it works for jordan. i had a hard time getting it setup correctly. i didn't use irc tehn |
| 19:41.48 | ultravio1et16 | does anyone know if there's a package to install mod_perl2 on debian? |
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| 19:42.10 | jordan | but hey meff, should i reconfig my xfree86 back to ATI, then put these settings int he coinfig-4 |
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| 19:42.22 | meff | yes |
| 19:42.46 | meff | these will not work with framebuffer/vesa mode |
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| 19:43.17 | ClarkDevis | help me please, i want formating DVD-RAM in VFAT |
| 19:43.25 | ClarkDevis | (sorry for my english) |
| 19:43.33 | meff | uhm |
| 19:43.36 | meff | dont think you can |
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| 19:43.49 | xelam | you have to use erm UDF or something don't you? |
| 19:43.56 | meff | iirc yeah xelam |
| 19:43.57 | ClarkDevis | UDF not good |
| 19:44.00 | thc | ClarkDevis: what language do you speak |
| 19:44.06 | xelam | what's wrong with UDF? |
| 19:44.13 | yel | is there any streaming tool which i could use on debian ? i want to start a school-radio project ill be glade for any help !? |
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| 19:44.17 | xelam | maybe iso9660 will work |
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| 19:44.42 | jordan | BusID of the video card, does this matter, or shoudl i leave this blank, default woudl eb blank |
| 19:44.46 | jordan | meff |
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| 19:44.54 | thc | jordan: hit Enter |
| 19:44.59 | jordan | k figured so |
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| 19:45.02 | wm3t | mine has 1:0:0 |
| 19:45.12 | jordan | k... |
| 19:45.27 | madclicker | is there a way to tell pppoe not to update my /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 19:45.34 | ClarkDevis | iso not good too, because i want to use DVD-RAM how HDD |
| 19:45.40 | thc | ClarkDevis: what language do you speak |
| 19:45.50 | andrownz | is there a place to copy/paste a weird series of command? |
| 19:45.52 | ClarkDevis | i from moscow( russia ) |
| 19:45.55 | meff | ClarkDevis: you cannot use vfat on a dvdram |
| 19:46.06 | pinucset | somebody wants a gmail invitation? |
| 19:46.18 | ClarkDevis | you don't right |
| 19:46.19 | thc | is there s russian debian channel on freenode? |
| 19:46.25 | HeLpSysTeM | [01:45] === xHeLp: 1 channels, 0 users. |
| 19:46.25 | HeLpSysTeM | Launched into the background (pid: 18567) |
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| 19:46.32 | HeLpSysTeM | and my bot never loads |
| 19:46.36 | ClarkDevis | i may use DVD-RAM formating in ext2/3 |
| 19:46.55 | meff | ClarkDevis: no. there are special filesystems for dvdram |
| 19:47.07 | HeLpSysTeM | oups wrong channel |
| 19:47.08 | ClarkDevis | i may use DVD-RAM formating in fat( under windows ) |
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| 19:47.43 | jordan | say meff, or wm3t, When i'm dpkg-reconfig 'ing there are a bunch of modules at the end ya know |
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| 19:47.45 | meff | ClarkDevis: well if you're feeling adventerous try mkfs.vfat the dev or whatever.. |
| 19:47.51 | jordan | are those necessary, not necessary,?? |
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| 19:48.03 | jordan | i mean are there certain ones i might want =and others i don't |
| 19:48.03 | meff | jordan: explain |
| 19:48.21 | jordan | ok umm liek vbe, BITMAP, dri, etc etc |
| 19:48.21 | meff | jordan: oh, just leave the defaults |
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| 19:48.25 | jordan | bunch of different "modules" |
| 19:48.28 | jordan | ok |
| 19:48.33 | pro | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 19:48.34 | pro | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 19:48.38 | pro | but how?? |
| 19:48.52 | ClarkDevis | mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hda |
| 19:48.52 | ClarkDevis | mkfs.vfat: Will not try to make filesystem on full-disk device |
| 19:48.53 | meff | pro are you using unofficial repositories? |
| 19:49.10 | caphuso | pro: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs |
| 19:49.17 | pro | no, im doing and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:49.20 | andrownz | can anyone explain this : http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3095 ? |
| 19:49.22 | meff | ah |
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| 19:50.20 | caphuso | andrownz: what does "grep hda5 /proc/mounts" say? |
| 19:50.37 | exalted | Hi. Where can i find the contents of the cd images, since there are many of them. |
| 19:50.42 | meff | andrownz: i dont see whats wrong? |
| 19:50.53 | resiak | !cd contents |
| 19:50.53 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt |
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| 19:50.56 | pro | caphuso, thanks |
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| 19:51.03 | exalted | resiak: Thank you |
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| 19:51.37 | resiak | exalted: No problem. |
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| 19:52.12 | wm3t | jordan: how's it going? |
| 19:52.15 | andrownz | caphuso, nothing |
| 19:52.37 | caphuso | andrownz: after mounting hda5 |
| 19:52.50 | exalted | And what was the way to install *only* the Free Software (main dist.)? |
| 19:53.09 | caphuso | exalted: don't use contrib and non-free |
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| 19:53.14 | resiak | exalted: If you do nothing extra, that is what you will get. You only get non-free stuff if you explicitly ask for it |
| 19:53.42 | exalted | So i don't have to edit source.list during install? |
| 19:53.53 | caphuso | not manually |
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| 19:53.59 | andrownz | caphuso, /dev/hda5 /mnt/hda5 ext3 rw 0 0 |
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| 19:54.26 | jordan | ok wm3t |
| 19:54.28 | exalted | caphuso, resiak: Thank you...{,again) |
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| 19:54.35 | jordan | (EE) no devices detected |
| 19:54.51 | jordan | fatal server error no screens found |
| 19:54.58 | jordan | :( |
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| 19:55.03 | meff | jordan: can you put your config up anywhere? |
| 19:55.16 | wm3t | yeah, jordan that would help |
| 19:55.39 | thc | jordan: did you edit XF86Config-4 prior to reconfiguring? |
| 19:56.04 | jordan | you mean paste it somewhere? |
| 19:56.06 | jordan | or show u guys |
| 19:56.22 | caphuso | andrownz: grm, umount, edit fstab and change to option field to only contain sane and actually existing options, i.e. change it to "noauto,defaults,user" and try "mount /mnt/hda5" again |
| 19:56.26 | jordan | see without a mouse my copy n' pasting skills suck, lol |
| 19:56.35 | jordan | umm and yes i reconfigged the X86 |
| 19:56.40 | jordan | then i put the necessary new modeline lines in |
| 19:56.46 | jordan | and i tried starting X again |
| 19:56.48 | jordan | same error |
| 19:56.48 | thc | jordan: you need to fix X now |
| 19:57.04 | thc | jordan: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 19:57.20 | thc | the changes you just made with debconf did not get saved because you edited it |
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| 19:57.41 | roboo | hi.. how can i limit wget's bandwith that use for download ? |
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| 19:57.50 | meff | roboo: man wget? |
| 19:57.50 | gothtec | Is there a way I can make ctrl+alt equal to pressing the Alt Gr key (european keyboard), like it is in windows? I'm remote controlling this machine through either Synergy or VNC and both transmit Alt Gr as ctrl+alt. It only needs to work in X. |
| 19:58.02 | jordan | ok |
| 19:58.20 | jordan | i never hand edited it, i always use reconfig |
| 19:58.27 | L0g0ff | is there a way to run xchat (or anather program) from shell, and when i quit the shell the program keeps running? |
| 19:58.30 | jordan | then after the last time i went back |
| 19:58.36 | meff | roboo: --limit-rate=amount .. next time, use the man page. |
| 19:58.38 | jordan | to ATI, i put it what wm3t gave me |
| 19:58.39 | andrownz | caphuso, ok, after several tries, i have it : it's the option "uid=andro" that it doesn't like. As soon as I remove it, it works .. but why?!?! |
| 19:58.40 | bbrazil | L0g0ff: screen |
| 19:58.41 | jordan | still nothinw orked |
| 19:58.53 | caphuso | andrownz: because it's not a valid option |
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| 19:59.10 | thc | jordan: did you or did you not open XF86Config-4 and change _anything_ |
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| 19:59.15 | jordan | i'll try the md5sum command to revert back to original |
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| 19:59.17 | roboo | ok thanks :) |
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| 19:59.23 | jordan | then i'll reconfig, and put in wm3t's lines of code |
| 19:59.25 | jordan | and see what i get |
| 19:59.25 | caphuso | due to it being an utterly stupid concept for a real filesystem |
| 19:59.28 | andrownz | caphuso, i have 3 others partition with this option :) |
| 19:59.47 | andrownz | caphuso, and they are perfectly auto mounted at system startup |
| 19:59.53 | caphuso | andrownz: and they're all ext3? |
| 20:00.17 | madclicker | is there a way to tell pppoe not to update my /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 20:00.34 | Miesco | With postfix I can connect locally on port 25 but I can not connect through my external IP, does anyone know what I can do to see whats wrong? |
| 20:00.44 | andrownz | caphuso, na, auto in fstab, and in reality fat32 trio |
| 20:00.58 | caphuso | andrownz: so, do you spot the major difference? |
| 20:01.10 | Miesco | telnet miesco.homelinux.org 25, thats the server |
| 20:01.38 | andrownz | caphuso, i'm trying changing hda5 line to auto, does not work, now the only diff is auto for fat32s, and noauto for hda5 |
| 20:01.53 | caphuso | andrownz: no, that's not the big difference |
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| 20:02.27 | L0g0ff | and is there another way to start a program and continueing using the same shell ? |
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| 20:02.57 | andrownz | caphuso, pvt, i'll copy paste |
| 20:03.02 | wm3t | Miesco: firewall blocking port 25? |
| 20:03.03 | caphuso | andrownz: bullshit, no |
| 20:03.06 | L0g0ff | \msg L0g0ff test |
| 20:03.23 | caphuso | andrownz: the difference is simple: one filesystem is ext3 and the other three fat32 |
| 20:03.30 | Miesco | Miesco: I dont think I have a firewall |
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| 20:03.32 | Miesco | lol |
| 20:03.39 | Miesco | wm3t* |
| 20:03.42 | caphuso | andrownz: quite the concept, eh? |
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| 20:03.53 | hedonick | Miesco, ISP blocking port 25? |
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| 20:03.57 | wm3t | at the cli, type iptables -nL |
| 20:04.00 | S4nD3r | I have a problem. When I loggin, I must start nautilus -n & in konsole. Why?? |
| 20:04.03 | wm3t | isp could be blocking |
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| 20:04.11 | andrownz | caphuso, and i don't get why the uid=andro option would work for fat32 and not for ext3 ... |
| 20:04.18 | Miesco | wm3t: ah, yes, that is true |
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| 20:04.35 | samot | I'm setting up a new database server but I'm a bit hesitant as to which filesystem to use, is reiserfs the way to go? or should I go with ext3? any inputs appreciated :) |
| 20:04.46 | Miesco | wm3t: So I could try 2525 to see if that works, and if that works it should be my ISP blocking it? |
| 20:04.48 | mfrisch | samot ext3 |
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| 20:04.49 | caphuso | andrownz: because it would be pointless and very stupid to have such a mount option for ext3 |
| 20:04.50 | meff | andrownz: read 'man mount' and you'll understand |
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| 20:05.05 | caphuso | andrownz: incidentally it's not implemented |
| 20:05.32 | meff | whip out your chmod and chown |
| 20:05.35 | caphuso | andrownz: it's a real filesystem, not some crap that should have been obsoleted 20 years ago, which means it can store ownership information all by itself |
| 20:05.40 | wm3t | Miesco: let's make sure that port 25 is open, type iptables -nL in a term and see what it says |
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| 20:06.17 | kernel666 | yeah! Welcome home after admistrating Fedora Core Server this whole week |
| 20:06.19 | samot | mfrisch okey, any special reason? |
| 20:06.35 | flogiston | I'm trying to mount my ipod which is win formated. I set auto on type in fstab. But when i mount -a it complains that I need to choos fileformat |
| 20:06.52 | meff | flogiston: try -t vfat |
| 20:06.53 | andrownz | caphuso, meff, ok thanks, ext3 doesn't have this option while fat32 has |
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| 20:07.04 | caphuso | he got it! |
| 20:07.09 | meff | lol |
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| 20:07.14 | mfrisch | samot more stable in the long run, has dump/restore. Reiser may be good in some time. |
| 20:07.15 | flogiston | I have tried type: vfat to. |
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| 20:07.31 | Miesco | wm3t: What does that output mean? |
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| 20:07.36 | meff | flogiston: then dunno.. i hate ipods.. *hugs his iaudio* |
| 20:07.49 | exalted | How can i ignore to install a specific package during the first-install of 3.1_r0a? |
| 20:07.49 | wm3t | Miesco: no blocked ports. could be blocked by the isp |
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| 20:07.57 | EdLin | kernel666: fedora in a production environment, are they on crack? |
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| 20:08.00 | Miesco | wm3t: Yea im pretty sure its my ISP |
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| 20:08.07 | mfrisch | Miesco your ISP? |
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| 20:08.16 | Miesco | mfrisch: Sympatico |
| 20:08.19 | flogiston | meff: haha. I've managed to mount it with gnome-volume-manager when using Ubuntu . but now i dont use gnome. |
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| 20:08.36 | meff | flogiston: you sure its fat32? |
| 20:08.38 | kernel666 | yes! sure brainfuck! |
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| 20:08.57 | mfrisch | Miesco I know mine RR doesn't even let me smart host them. |
| 20:08.59 | flogiston | Nope. |
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| 20:09.26 | meff | flogiston: can you run fdisk on the dev and do 'p' and see what fs label the partition has? |
| 20:09.39 | EdLin | kernel666: RHEL is bad enough, but to try to maintain Fedora, which has gotten more and more bleeding edge - with the emphasis on bleeding, is absurd. |
| 20:09.58 | abrotman | someone else was complaining about that |
| 20:10.06 | abrotman | meff: fdisk -l <device> |
| 20:10.29 | meff | abrotman: thx for the shortcut |
| 20:10.32 | kernel666 | Edlin Yes sure, this is a Distibution *very* near to the OSS development |
| 20:10.59 | EdLin | kernel666: that's putting it in a nice way. |
| 20:11.03 | kernel666 | Edlin And I hate yum and I hate XML in such use case! |
| 20:11.17 | EdLin | kernel666: yum truly sucks |
| 20:11.29 | flogiston | i'm getting tired of this... |
| 20:11.45 | EdLin | kernel666: and the third party repositories are moving away from apt towards yum, double brain damage. |
| 20:11.47 | meff | flogiston: then use ubuntu ;) |
| 20:11.52 | jordan | meff....i was thinking on my ATI card, the error i get is no Devices found |
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| 20:12.03 | jordan | and no screens found is fatal error, but there is a devies section on the XF86config |
| 20:12.07 | jordan | maybe i'm doing something wrong there |
| 20:12.16 | meff | jordan: i cant really help ya unless you post your config and XFree86.0.log somewhere |
| 20:12.28 | abrotman | does the vesa driver at least work ? |
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| 20:12.43 | flogiston | whats the name of the gnome pakage? |
| 20:12.48 | meff | yeah but hes got a funky resolution laptop lcd, abrotman |
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| 20:13.08 | kernel666 | flogiston apt-cache search gnome |
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| 20:13.41 | wm3t | Miesco: in a term, try this iptables -A INPUT --protocol tcp -dport 25 -j ACCEPT |
| 20:13.41 | flogiston | Thanks ten million pakages. |
| 20:13.48 | jordan | meff - ok i'll do that next if this doesn't work, throo windows, or knoppix |
| 20:13.52 | jordan | talk to ya l8tr |
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| 20:14.11 | thc | flogiston: why are you crying about it? it's gnome. |
| 20:14.17 | meff | lol |
| 20:14.20 | Miesco | Bad argument `25' |
| 20:14.22 | killfill | in gnumeric, how do i paint the cells with color blue, if they are >50?. |
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| 20:14.31 | thc | you expect it to be one package like fluxbox or something? |
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| 20:14.41 | meff | does this look like #gnumeric? :D |
| 20:14.42 | kernel666 | Miesco perhaps, if you don't wanna restart the script, try iptables -I |
| 20:15.10 | Kurtism | dang it how do I make my dhcp assigned ip address resolve back to my hostname or rather make my hostname resolve back to my dhcp assigned ip address? |
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| 20:15.28 | abrotman | !dyndns |
| 20:15.29 | dpkg | dyndns provides hostnames for dynamic/static ips for free: http://www.dyndns.org/, or apt-get install ddclient |
| 20:15.32 | wm3t | Miesco: CORRECTED in a term, try this iptables -A INPUT --protocol tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT |
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| 20:15.41 | wm3t | Miesco: I left out a - |
| 20:15.49 | Kurtism | no no this isn't dynamic dns... this is local area network stuff |
| 20:16.00 | abrotman | then you need to read some stuff in bind i guess |
| 20:16.05 | Kurtism | my box gets 192.168.99.165 |
| 20:16.31 | meff | Kurtism: you'll need to setup bind and some ptr records for your network.. |
| 20:16.37 | kernel666 | dynamic dns update is also possible in an LAN envrioment |
| 20:16.38 | Kurtism | I can ping that address from other computers on the lan but I can't ping the hostname |
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| 20:17.13 | Miesco | wm3t: How do I check the connections of iptables |
| 20:17.14 | Kurtism | like in windows when dhcp is assigned the hostname is automatically associated with the ipaddress |
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| 20:17.28 | meff | well, this isnt windows |
| 20:17.32 | meff | :) |
| 20:17.38 | Kurtism | there is a way of doing it in linux though |
| 20:17.43 | kernel666 | Miesco tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 20:17.45 | Kurtism | without mucking with my dhcp server |
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| 20:18.11 | Kurtism | I could statically assign an IP address to my debian box and assign the host like that |
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| 20:18.26 | wm3t | Miesco: what is your ip address for miesco.homelinux.org? |
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| 20:18.37 | Kurtism | there must be a way of assigning the hostname to the ip address of eth0 no matter what it is |
| 20:18.47 | SugarGuest613 | Rookie needs help- how do i get the pipeline graph to show all sales people under the mgr. |
| 20:18.47 | Miesco | 65.95.245.86 |
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| 20:19.10 | abrotman | SugarGuest613: in what app? |
| 20:19.14 | meff | wtf are you talking about SugarGuest613 |
| 20:19.18 | wm3t | i can't even ping it by ip |
| 20:19.35 | SugarGuest613 | sorry in sugarcrm opensource |
| 20:19.39 | wm3t | your output from iptables -nL doesn't show any thing |
| 20:19.42 | abrotman | meff: i think we are under attack from vaguians! |
| 20:19.50 | abrotman | SugarGuest613: wrong channel? |
| 20:19.50 | meff | abrotman: true. |
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| 20:20.00 | abrotman | is sugarcrm in debian ? |
| 20:20.15 | abrotman | no .. it's not |
| 20:20.28 | meff | abrotman: and we've turned into #gnumeric #sugarcrm and #your-fav-app |
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| 20:20.45 | abrotman | meff: yeah .. just wait til i start asking replang questions |
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| 20:21.01 | abrotman | SugarGuest613: /join #sugarcrm |
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| 20:21.24 | wm3t | how can i get around the group policies in windows active directory? Damn network admins! ;-) |
| 20:21.25 | SugarGuest613 | thansthanks |
| 20:21.38 | bnoji | I'm trying to build a regex to find any combination of a-zA-Z0-9 and - of 50 chars or more. |
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| 20:21.59 | meff | what lang bnoji |
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| 20:22.07 | bnoji | I have /[a-zA-Z0-9-]{50,}\s/ |
| 20:22.15 | bnoji | meff: I'm using Vim for Win32 |
| 20:22.20 | meff | ... |
| 20:22.32 | abrotman | bnoji: #vim |
| 20:22.34 | ircops | hahahahaha |
| 20:22.41 | bnoji | abrotman: thanks. |
| 20:22.55 | abrotman | must be the global warming |
| 20:22.56 | bnoji | It seems like some metas are not working |
| 20:23.01 | meff | lol |
| 20:23.02 | abrotman | ask them! |
| 20:23.28 | seb- | how stable is unstable? i heard people run it for 12 months or so without trouble |
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| 20:23.54 | abrotman | seb-: depends .. some people on this channel can't get stable running correctly .. of course .. then there are the smart people who can run unstable for years without issue |
| 20:23.58 | kernel666 | seb- its ok for a private use, but not for production |
| 20:24.04 | wm3t | miesco: what other services do you have running? |
| 20:24.16 | Seb | seb-: really, you don't wanna pick a different nick ? |
| 20:24.25 | thc | haha |
| 20:24.28 | abrotman | seb: got a problem!? |
| 20:24.35 | seb- | Seb: you don't like seb? :) |
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| 20:24.39 | sebb | seb: is this ok? |
| 20:24.44 | orvux | Hi... everyboy... |
| 20:24.51 | Seb_ | haha this has been registered |
| 20:24.54 | Seb | abrotman: yeah, my freaking irssi beeping each time someone answers him |
| 20:25.10 | meff | hahaha |
| 20:25.11 | oelsen | Hello everybody! Has anyone a link describing the installation on a harddrive not matching the bios? (like override it, like "hdx=stroke") |
| 20:25.16 | orvux | Somebody knows if is possible to setup a dynamic dns server with Sarge? |
| 20:25.24 | Seb | seb-: i mean, your nick starting like mine is a problem, makes my irc client beep when people talk to you |
| 20:25.32 | kernel666 | ?? |
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| 20:25.54 | kernel666 | orvux join #bind ? |
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| 20:26.07 | mrwill | is postfix anvil available with debian sarge? |
| 20:26.09 | jordan | ok meff I"m going to try to use vesa in my config, the ATI driver just isn't detecting anything |
| 20:26.14 | meff | we've turned into an operator room for redirecting calls to other channels ;) |
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| 20:26.14 | jordan | the only error i'm getting is no device found |
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| 20:26.28 | stew | Seb: use the /hilight -full or -regex |
| 20:26.38 | orvux | kernel666: ok... thanks.... |
| 20:26.40 | Drakh_ | wtf |
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| 20:26.47 | Drakh_ | something in this channel tripped my auto protect |
| 20:26.47 | jordan | so meff, since i'm using vesa now, is there a different modeline i should put in, or should i md5sum my XF86config, reconfig it, then try vesa.....but see i've done that many times before |
| 20:26.48 | meff | jordan: like i said, show me your config and X log |
| 20:26.54 | gothtec | I seb think seb that seb shouldn't seb be seb a seb problem seb, really seb. Why seb doesn't seb the seb client seb filter seb out seb anything seb that's seb longer seb than seb your seb nick seb seb? |
| 20:26.55 | jordan | ok sorry, i'm jus stubborn |
| 20:27.07 | jordan | see i want to figure this out on my own but ok i'm gonna log onto windows |
| 20:27.11 | meff | jordan: i noticed :) |
| 20:27.13 | jordan | ii'll be jorfro there |
| 20:27.17 | jordan | seeya in abit |
| 20:27.20 | meff | k |
| 20:27.23 | Seb | gothtec: well dude i'ts only at the beginning of the line |
| 20:27.28 | Seb | gothtec: so you missed right there |
| 20:27.36 | gothtec | haha |
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| 20:27.49 | Seb | stew: hmm, i didn't know about that. But then how will it work for people that answer with Seb: ? |
| 20:28.03 | Seb | stew: like, an attached trailing character after my nick |
| 20:28.17 | noid_ | i have a SATA controller, and while booting the partitions in the disk sdb don't get mounted, both scsi and si3112 driver are compiled in the kernel, what is the best approach to solve this? |
| 20:28.23 | Heckler | Is there a version of linux that is like mac OS? or can you run mac OS on a PC? |
| 20:28.49 | mrwill | Heckler: first question, not really. second, absolutely not. |
| 20:28.53 | Seb | noid_: why not use a debian precompiled kernel image ? |
| 20:28.58 | Seb | noid_: it's all solved for ya i nthere |
| 20:29.04 | noid_ | Seb: because it does the same |
| 20:29.20 | Seb | noid_: well then maybe your HW is not supported |
| 20:29.25 | mwoz | hello, has someone here been successful at installing sarge on a pc with sata hard drive? |
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| 20:29.38 | Seb | Heckler: you mean the user interface ? |
| 20:29.47 | Seb | Heckler: yes, you can make it look somehow like OSX |
| 20:29.50 | noid_ | Seb: no, it's supported fine, partitions don't get mounted, but i can do it manually afterwards |
| 20:29.53 | mwoz | i keep geting hung up when it comes time to load the sm_mod |
| 20:30.04 | meff | noid_: fiddle with your fstab |
| 20:30.09 | Seb | noid_: do you have auto in the corresponding fstab line ? |
| 20:30.16 | mrwill | mwoz: somebody has, I'm sure, just go ahead and ask your real question. |
| 20:30.27 | flora | lets say i want to transfer the contents of one disk to another... is this dumb: scp -r root@old.ip:/* / ? |
| 20:30.40 | ultravio1et16 | does anyone know how to exclude a directory from a find command? |
| 20:30.49 | wm3t | is it beer thirty yet? |
| 20:30.57 | mwoz | when it comes time to load the 'sd_mod' for 'SCSI disk support' the installer hangs up on me |
| 20:30.59 | meff | flora: rsync? |
| 20:31.13 | flora | meff: better than scp? |
| 20:31.20 | meff | flora: for doing that yeah |
| 20:31.23 | mwoz | any way around that? |
| 20:31.25 | flora | hmm... why? |
| 20:31.26 | noid_ | Seb: hmmm i thought they got treated the same as hda, hdb partitions... |
| 20:31.34 | wm3t | flora: try nc |
| 20:31.36 | mrwill | mwoz: try a 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:31.41 | wm3t | worked well for me in the past |
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| 20:31.51 | meff | mm yes netcat works too |
| 20:31.52 | flora | wm3t: nc? |
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| 20:31.57 | flora | ah netcat |
| 20:32.14 | wm3t | like tar -c <directory tree> |nc 192.168.0.1 81 on sender |
| 20:32.15 | mwoz | alright... ill try that real quick- this is my first time installing linux |
| 20:32.41 | flora | hmm... what's wrong with using scp to do it? |
| 20:32.41 | mrwill | mwoz: good luck, what the bot says is pretty much all I know, but I know that this is possible. |
| 20:32.42 | wm3t | nc -lp 81 | tar -x |
| 20:32.46 | wm3t | on receiver |
| 20:33.04 | mwoz | thanks |
| 20:33.07 | meff | if your gonna copy a full fs, at least use 'cfp' to tar |
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| 20:33.27 | megatronx | ummm...question...anyone know here how to encrypt with evolution and that gpgp??? |
| 20:33.31 | mrwill | meff: if you are going to copy a full fs, could just use 'dump' |
| 20:33.39 | flora | what is cfp? |
| 20:33.43 | euth | -c -f -p |
| 20:33.54 | euth | i think -p only has meaning on extract though |
| 20:33.56 | mwoz | wow, thanks mrwill- it worked |
| 20:33.58 | ohad | does anyone have a suggestion for secert questions to ask during registration beside your pet's name? |
| 20:34.03 | flora | ahh thx |
| 20:34.07 | mrwill | mwoz: sure, np |
| 20:34.08 | euth | tar xf - ./some/dir | ... |
| 20:34.12 | noid_ | Seb: meff: they are mounted with default, which includes auto |
| 20:34.15 | euth | er, cf |
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| 20:34.40 | Seb | noid_: of course not |
| 20:34.49 | Seb | noid_: stop bullshitting, add auto, and stop wasting my time |
| 20:34.55 | noid_ | Seb: that's what man mount says |
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| 20:35.19 | flora | ok... any prob using these copy commands copying TO the running system? |
| 20:35.25 | noid_ | Seb: no need to get rude, i read the man page and it says that |
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| 20:35.46 | flora | ah hell i can't explain myself :| |
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| 20:35.53 | euth | i'm reading the pam_limits docs and i'm trying to understand what all the different kinds of memory restrictions are. any pointers to where i can get good definitions of things like "rss - max resident set size" or "memlock - max locked-in-memory address space" |
| 20:36.02 | Seb | noid_: you're actually right, I apologize |
| 20:36.03 | initiate | how can i install Eclipse on my machine ? |
| 20:36.11 | Seb | noid_: so, does mount -a mount your partition |
| 20:36.12 | Seb | ? |
| 20:36.18 | initiate | also i need cyrillic... |
| 20:36.20 | noid_ | Seb: yes |
| 20:36.38 | mrwill | flora: if you want a bit for bit copy of one disk on another, you probably shouldn't have anything accessing the disk you are copying to. |
| 20:36.41 | Seb | noid_: so if you're positive your drivers are in the kernel and not as modules, I odn't know |
| 20:36.44 | noid_ | Seb: it just doesn't do it while booting and mounting every other partition |
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| 20:37.12 | mrwill | flora: 'dd' is a low level tool that can just copy one device like '/dev/hda' to '/dev/hdb', for instance. |
| 20:37.15 | flora | mrwill: roger |
| 20:37.25 | flora | mrwill: thanks |
| 20:37.25 | Seb | noid_: doublecheck you don't have the corresponding HW support as a module |
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| 20:37.54 | mrwill | flora: if you could describe what you are trying to do a little more, I can help you more. there are many unix tools for moving data around. |
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| 20:38.04 | sgeigerbot | noid_: Is the partition with the root filesystem on the sata drive? |
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| 20:38.11 | noid_ | Seb: i could be missing a driver, but besides scsi support (for disks and everything) and the SATA controller, i can't think of anything else i'd need, that's why i ask |
| 20:38.21 | noid_ | sgeigerbot: nope, it's in hdb |
| 20:38.26 | sgeigerbot | initiate: sudo apt-get install eclipse-sdk ...I think. |
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| 20:38.36 | Seb | noid_: lsmod, anything related ? |
| 20:38.38 | gothtec | Is there a way I can make ctrl+alt equal to pressing the Alt Gr key (european keyboard), like it is in windows? I'm remote controlling this machine through either Synergy or VNC and both transmit Alt Gr as ctrl+alt. It only needs to work in X. |
| 20:38.45 | sgeigerbot | initiate: apt-cache search eclipse |
| 20:39.05 | linoleum | hello guys |
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| 20:39.17 | Miesco | gothtec: KDE? |
| 20:39.38 | gothtec | Miesco: just Fluxbox |
| 20:40.03 | initiate | sgeigerbot, i downloaded the eclipse tar file from eclipse.org and unarchived it ... then what ? :S |
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| 20:40.16 | Mortis_pl | Look at http://www.muzyka.oz.pl - Debian's castle |
| 20:40.21 | Miesco | gothtec: Try finding the keyboard settings, in KDE its Reginal and Accessability |
| 20:40.27 | abrotman | meff: can you tell me why the Loki installer doesn't work on my box! |
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| 20:40.42 | XTF | Hi. What is the difference between maybe-succesful and 'succesful' in the buildlogs? |
| 20:40.56 | gothtec | Miesto: I don't think there's such a thing in fluxbox. It's just a VM |
| 20:40.59 | gothtec | er. wm |
| 20:41.22 | noid_ | Seb: good idea, i see a sata_sil module loaded, i'm sure it's not my controller module but gonna check the kernel config for it |
| 20:41.26 | Miesco | gothtec: I dont know, try what the person in ##linux suggested |
| 20:41.30 | Seb | noid_: k |
| 20:41.32 | resiak | gothtec: Horrible horrible xmodmap or xkb poking will probably be necessary :) |
| 20:42.11 | gothtec | resiak: so I've come to understand. I've read a lot on google, but I can't find any examples of people making two keys act as another key only when pressed at the same time |
| 20:42.16 | Mortis_pl | gothtec: i've got something for you - http://www.teledyski.muzyka.oz.pl :) |
| 20:42.22 | resiak | gothtec: If you do, let me know :) |
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| 20:42.26 | abrotman | Mortis_pl: STOP spamming the channel |
| 20:42.45 | Drakh_ | I'm reading that new no starch press title "The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques" |
| 20:42.52 | Drakh_ | what did you guys think of it? |
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| 20:43.07 | Drakh_ | (I am only on chapter 3) |
| 20:43.17 | abrotman | did we read it ? |
| 20:43.22 | abrotman | i bet resiak read it! |
| 20:43.23 | sgeigerbot | initiate: look, dude, if I tell you one way to install something, don't expect help installing it another way. |
| 20:43.32 | gothtec | Mortis_pl: not really looking for music right now... |
| 20:43.37 | Drakh_ | I was thinking someone read it lol |
| 20:43.49 | sgeigerbot | initiate: I'm sure there are instructions in the tarball itself. |
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| 20:44.02 | resiak | abrotman: Lies |
| 20:44.11 | abrotman | i would never .. i'm american! .. we never lie! |
| 20:44.15 | Drakh_ | why are tar files called tarballs? |
| 20:44.25 | sgeigerbot | Drakh_: they are sticky. |
| 20:44.25 | abrotman | sticky balls of tar? |
| 20:44.29 | Drakh_ | because they are "rolled" into a "ball of tar" |
| 20:44.30 | Drakh_ | :/ |
| 20:44.32 | SalsaDoom | sgeigerbot, oooh, gross ;P |
| 20:44.41 | Drakh_ | why are they sticky :p |
| 20:44.48 | gothtec | Can anyone tell me how to make xmodmap send a specific keycode when two specific keys are pressed at the same time, while maintaining their original function? |
| 20:45.08 | sgeigerbot | Drakh_: tar does not compress files. it just sticks them together. tar is called tar because it stands for "tape archive" (which has nothing to do with tar, the sticky substance). |
| 20:45.18 | initiate | sgeigerbot, appreciated...dude |
| 20:45.21 | Drakh_ | AHHHH |
| 20:45.28 | Drakh_ | thanks. |
| 20:45.36 | Drakh_ | I'm... enlightened |
| 20:45.42 | Nick_Hill | Tarball is a joke on tar. tar is an initialism for 'Tape ARchive" |
| 20:45.58 | sgeigerbot | Drakh_: Unix people got bored with staring at text consoles all day, so rather than invent a really kick-ass GUI environment, they came up with neat names for their command-line programs ...so that they could spend more time in IRC. |
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| 20:46.23 | Drakh_ | hahah sgeigerbot |
| 20:46.29 | sgeigerbot | Drakh_: I can help change that. |
| 20:46.30 | sgeigerbot | !+srt Drakh_ |
| 20:46.30 | petemc | existence is suffering |
| 20:46.51 | Drakh_ | hmm |
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| 20:47.00 | Drakh_ | anal violation I suppose :( |
| 20:47.02 | Varanger | !+srt salmenara |
| 20:47.07 | abrotman | Nick_Hill: i don't think that's right |
| 20:47.09 | shad0w1e | Question: How do I add environmental variables, permanently? |
| 20:47.19 | Seb | shad0w1e: ad them to your shell's startup files |
| 20:47.19 | abrotman | Nick_Hill: you can use tar with a tape drive .. but you don't have to |
| 20:47.26 | Drakh_ | .bashrc |
| 20:47.30 | Drakh_ | use the export statment |
| 20:47.37 | shad0w1e | export only does it for this statement |
| 20:47.38 | sgeigerbot | shad0w1e: /etc/profile for the whole system. ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc |
| 20:47.38 | shad0w1e | i mean |
| 20:47.39 | shad0w1e | session |
| 20:47.49 | shad0w1e | ahh |
| 20:47.49 | shad0w1e | thats what I need |
| 20:47.51 | Seb | shad0w1e: put it in your shell startup file |
| 20:47.53 | Drakh_ | put it in your .bashrc bra |
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| 20:48.03 | shad0w1e | d changes take effect immediately or after restart? |
| 20:48.09 | Seb | shad0w1e: source .bashrc |
| 20:48.10 | Drakh_ | log off and logon |
| 20:48.11 | homecable | what chmod should su be |
| 20:48.11 | sgeigerbot | shad0w1e: next tim eyou log in. |
| 20:48.15 | Seb | Drakh_: cmon now |
| 20:48.18 | Drakh_ | seb because it's the default linux xhell :> |
| 20:48.20 | abrotman | homecable: why are you changing it ? |
| 20:48.21 | Nick_Hill | abrotman, Tapes were the original way of archiving before large, high capacity discs. |
| 20:48.30 | Drakh_ | seb, what did I do? |
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| 20:48.36 | Drakh_ | Sorry, I am new here :( |
| 20:48.37 | Seb | shad0w1e: if you source .bashrc it takes effect immediatly |
| 20:48.43 | abrotman | Nick_Hill: i know .. thanks .. but i don't think that's where tar came from .. |
| 20:48.44 | Seb | Drakh_: you gave a suboptimal answer :D |
| 20:48.50 | abrotman | though .. that said .. it's not worth a debate |
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| 20:48.51 | Drakh_ | ohhh |
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| 20:49.03 | shad0w1e | the /etc/profile takes effect for whole system, yes? |
| 20:49.04 | _oP | :-D |
| 20:49.06 | homecable | abrotman i tryed to change it so others cant use it on system and i changed its group and i chmod 710 /bin/su |
| 20:49.07 | Drakh_ | sorry, just trying to help :P I'm a bit green |
| 20:49.08 | Seb | shad0w1e: yeah |
| 20:49.13 | shad0w1e | thanks! |
| 20:49.13 | _oP | hello all |
| 20:49.15 | abrotman | homecable: DON'T DO THAT |
| 20:49.18 | Drakh_ | I will have to read up on the source command |
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| 20:49.24 | sgeigerbot | shad0w1e: moo |
| 20:49.24 | homecable | do u know what chmod it had before so i can fix it |
| 20:49.25 | ralf | !ntfs |
| 20:49.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or ask me about captiventfs |
| 20:49.30 | Seb | Drakh_: runs in the current shell |
| 20:49.38 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:49.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:49.44 | sgeigerbot | !+captiventfs |
| 20:49.45 | dpkg | i guess captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 20:49.45 | Seb | homecable: 4750 iirc |
| 20:49.47 | abrotman | Nick_Hill: you win :) |
| 20:49.54 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_(file_format) |
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| 20:50.09 | homecable | whats iirc |
| 20:50.14 | dondelelcaro | !iirc |
| 20:50.14 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 20:50.26 | hardwire | sooo |
| 20:50.33 | noid_ | Seb: i think i found it, it seems i had to include some "scsi low level drivers" too, thanks for the tip and help |
| 20:50.38 | abrotman | seb: you mean 4755 ? |
| 20:50.43 | noid_ | Seb: recompiling the kernel now... |
| 20:50.46 | hardwire | apt-get -t unstable install udev |
| 20:50.49 | homecable | what group should i change it back to root |
| 20:50.51 | hardwire | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 20:50.51 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.51 | hardwire | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.54 | hardwire | ... |
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| 20:50.56 | abrotman | seb: otherwise . don't you think it might hard for normal people to su ? |
| 20:51.01 | Drakh_ | shhh |
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| 20:51.05 | hardwire | heh.. |
| 20:51.06 | Seb | abrotman: sorry was thinking bsd |
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| 20:51.08 | hardwire | wtf? |
| 20:51.10 | Drakh_ | stop flooding the channel guys, and speak in full sentances :> |
| 20:51.14 | shad0w1e | ok I've got a little problem because I need to add multiple things |
| 20:51.15 | abrotman | hardwire: /msg dpkg paste |
| 20:51.16 | Seb | abrotman: where that;s precisely the intended behavior |
| 20:51.25 | shad0w1e | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.25 | shad0w1e | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.25 | shad0w1e | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.25 | shad0w1e | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.25 | shad0w1e | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.26 | hardwire | abrotman: yay.. new channel rules |
| 20:51.26 | abrotman | seb: yeah .. i know .. wheel group .. |
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| 20:51.32 | hardwire | abrotman: thanks though. |
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| 20:51.34 | mrwill | Seb: what is the point of su'ing if you are already root? |
| 20:51.37 | shad0w1e | I need to add all those |
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| 20:51.42 | abrotman | hardwire: new when? .. not in the last 2 years |
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| 20:51.45 | hardwire | so beyond channel guidelines.. whats up with udev wanting to kill my system? |
| 20:51.53 | thc | su from root to superroot! |
| 20:52.00 | hardwire | abrotman: doesn't every channel have different ones to follow :) ? |
| 20:52.16 | vezult | is there a way to restrict specify a pattern that limits the url that wget downloads, kinda like: wget -rl1 --only-get *.pdf http://foo.bar/ |
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| 20:52.24 | mrwill | hardwire: it's generally frowned upon to paste in any busy channel. |
| 20:52.25 | Drakh_ | superroot? I wonder what additional powers you get |
| 20:52.31 | vezult | s/restrict// |
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| 20:52.38 | thc | Drakh_: you get a cool cape to wear. |
| 20:52.39 | jorfro2005 | hey meff its jordan |
| 20:52.41 | jorfro2005 | you still around |
| 20:52.53 | mrwill | Drakh_: you know, the usual, resurrect, teleport... |
| 20:52.55 | hardwire | mrwill: thanks mrwill.. I will so keep that in mind.. all 4 lines of what I pasted.. |
| 20:52.55 | Drakh_ | Sweet, do the pounds of computer flab melt off as well? |
| 20:53.02 | vezult | err..what is the way, rather, assuming it exists |
| 20:53.11 | thc | Drakh_: if you're a fatty, then i guess |
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| 20:53.20 | Drakh_ | I am not |
| 20:53.25 | Drakh_ | I'm not a programmer you see |
| 20:53.29 | thc | whoa. |
| 20:53.35 | jorfro2005 | hey meff: you around?? |
| 20:53.39 | Drakh_ | JUST KIDDING |
| 20:53.46 | Drakh_ | programmers make the world go round |
| 20:53.47 | jorfro2005 | I got my xfree log and my config file |
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| 20:54.43 | Seb | mrwill: did you read my explanatio nt oabrotman ? |
| 20:55.05 | homecable | what chmod should sulogin be |
| 20:55.07 | thc | oabrotoaobaortmna |
| 20:55.17 | mrwill | Seb: yes |
| 20:55.21 | Seb | thc: yeah this space bar is illplaced |
| 20:55.28 | Seb | mrwill: k so you know where I was coming from |
| 20:55.36 | jorfro2005 | hey thc, i have the ATI x700 mobility problems in Sarge |
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| 20:55.41 | thc | Seb: apparently, spelling 'abrotman' wrong is the new cool thing to do |
| 20:55.46 | jorfro2005 | i got my log file and my XF86config on windows partition now |
| 20:55.47 | thc | i liked 'abortman' |
| 20:55.54 | Seb | thc: heh, thx for the tip. I like to be hype ;) |
| 20:56.01 | jorfro2005 | i'm wondering if someone moight be able to look at them and see any potential conflicts or whatever, cuz i just cna't figure out whats goin on' |
| 20:56.02 | Seb | brotaman |
| 20:56.04 | jorfro2005 | i'm too newbish |
| 20:56.04 | rafx | abruptman |
| 20:56.08 | hardwire | ok so udev is replacing hotplug w/ coldplug |
| 20:56.10 | homecable | ls -l /sbin/sulogin |
| 20:56.23 | Seb | "so when they point the finger at you, brotherman, here's what you got to tell them..." |
| 20:56.29 | thc | jorfro2005: did you fix your X config like dpkg told you to? |
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| 20:56.56 | nopy | hi! |
| 20:57.02 | thc | omghi2u! |
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| 20:57.08 | nopy | hehe |
| 20:57.10 | nopy | need some advice on my inet connection via ppp0 (pppoe). i can dial in and i get an ip assigned by my isp. after that i am not able to access the net, cannot ping, etc. but when i dial out, delete the default route and dial in again it works |
| 20:57.12 | Caine | is /bin/sh in Debian symlinked to bash? |
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| 20:57.22 | homecable | can any of type ls -l /sbin/sulogin |
| 20:57.27 | nopy | what can i do so pppd does this automatically before dialing the connection ? |
| 20:57.30 | jorfro2005 | thc - yes |
| 20:57.30 | homecable | and tell me what chmod u get |
| 20:57.34 | jorfro2005 | i fixed the config, |
| 20:57.37 | mrwill | Caine: it is on my system. |
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| 20:57.44 | jorfro2005 | thne reconfigged, added the lines that w3mt thought and meff thought |
| 20:57.47 | Caine | mrwill, what version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:57.53 | thc | homecable: why are you changing permissions when you have no idea what you are doing? |
| 20:57.53 | jorfro2005 | still nothin, then meff wanted my log and config file |
| 20:57.55 | homecable | 3.1 |
| 20:57.56 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:57.58 | rafx | any news on Lighttpd making it into Debian? looks like 1.4.6 is nice enough to replace a couple (not all) of my Apache2 setups - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=304271 |
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| 20:58.05 | jorfro2005 | so now i got them on my windows partition since i was only text in linux |
| 20:58.18 | Seb | rafx: search wnpp |
| 20:58.19 | thc | jorfro2005: we don't need to see your entire X log, what are the (EE)s telling you? |
| 20:58.23 | homecable | can any one help me out |
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| 20:58.35 | mrwill | rafx: I don't have news, but I've been looking at lighttpd myself and I like it, too. |
| 20:58.36 | nopy | wow, many people seeking help :) |
| 20:58.38 | jaek | how should i go about totally removing my screwed up x.org setup and reinstall? |
| 20:58.42 | Seb | thc: dude... Cause it's fun to wste our time of course :> |
| 20:58.49 | thc | indeed! |
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| 20:59.00 | mrwill | Caine: sarge |
| 20:59.04 | homecable | can u run ls -l /sbin/sulogin ls -l /bin/su and tell me what chmods u got on thos |
| 20:59.11 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:59.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:59.15 | Caine | mrwill, thanks. :) |
| 20:59.18 | bridgetd | -0 imageek |
| 20:59.33 | imageek | -0 bridgetd |
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| 20:59.56 | rafx | mrwill: i get the sense that RubyOnRails will make Lighthttpd very popular. rumored to be substantially faster than Apache2 + mod_fastcgi (or even better, mod_fcgid). |
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| 21:00.02 | Seb | homecable: either you start spelling like you're not on AOL, or you keep inventing permissions. Your choice. |
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| 21:00.24 | jorfro2005 | thc EE - no device found (because of the ati driver) |
| 21:00.30 | AoA | somebody know command or something to use ssh to upload file to shell online? |
| 21:00.35 | jorfro2005 | EE - no screens found (probly cuz of the previous error) |
| 21:00.40 | caphuso | AoA: scp |
| 21:00.41 | gothtec | Okay, I figured out another way to rephrase my question: How can I make ctrl+alt+8 type a [ in X? |
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| 21:01.00 | Seb | homecable: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10108 2005-01-04 14:43 /sbin/sulogin -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 23416 2005-04-19 10:48 /bin/su |
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| 21:01.16 | resiak | Seb: You should have given homecable incorrect permissions on principle :) |
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| 21:01.35 | abrotman | why would anyone change permissions on su .. |
| 21:01.36 | euth | "ulimit -a" prints resource limits... is there an analagous way to print current resource usage? |
| 21:01.36 | Seb | resiak: i thought of that, but then again it's evil to do this on irc. And I'm not (totally) evil. |
| 21:01.50 | resiak | Seb: :( |
| 21:01.52 | Seb | euth: top ? |
| 21:01.53 | abrotman | and i gave him correct perms .. what .. 10 minutes ago ? |
| 21:01.56 | Seb | resiak: yet |
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| 21:02.09 | Seb | abrotman: yeah, I know. I just want him to shut up, is all :) |
| 21:02.19 | Seb | i'm weak like that |
| 21:02.22 | euth | Seb: for the individual user, not system as a whole |
| 21:02.22 | thc | jorfro2005: you didn't configure X properly me thinks, and what resolutions are you selecting? |
| 21:02.32 | rafx | if you're thinking of adopting an orphaned dog or cat, please consider adopting one of these instead - http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/work_needing |
| 21:02.33 | Seb | euth: what kind of resources ? |
| 21:02.41 | abrotman | seb: i can't take all the "u" :) |
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| 21:02.52 | Seb | abrotman: same here, hence the fish slinging |
| 21:02.52 | euth | Seb: the kind displayed with "ulimit -a" in a shell |
| 21:02.56 | homecable | Seb how do i chmod it to -rwxr-xr-x and sulogin to -rwsr-xr-x |
| 21:02.58 | abrotman | process accounting iirc |
| 21:03.01 | Seb | abrotman: the fish I *slung* him |
| 21:03.04 | abrotman | homecable: man chmod |
| 21:03.05 | Seb | homecable: you fucking read man chmod |
| 21:03.06 | mrwill | rafx: right, the performance figure is impressive. I've seen other servers kind of like this, but I always assumed the benchmark were rigged, serving static file out of ram cache or something. lighttpd is the first one I've seen that actually has the features I use apache for. I'm not a ruby on rails guy, though. |
| 21:03.07 | abrotman | READ! |
| 21:03.18 | Seb | homecable: you were smart enough to change them in the first place weren't you ? |
| 21:03.19 | abrotman | how the hell did you do it the first time? |
| 21:03.23 | Seb | dick... |
| 21:03.25 | thc | jorfro2005: what happens when you select 'vesa' ? can you get an X server started ? |
| 21:03.30 | jorfro2005 | no sir |
| 21:03.35 | jorfro2005 | vesa doesn't find "any modes" |
| 21:03.40 | resiak | homecable: Why would you want to make su rwxr-xr-x?! |
| 21:03.40 | Tyr | I've been having no luck with Google. I just installed Debian on my Gateway laptop, and in xf86cfg the touchpad works fine, but when I startx, it acts very erratic |
| 21:03.44 | Seb | that was uneccesary... but oh so satisfying |
| 21:03.45 | jorfro2005 | ati finds no devices |
| 21:03.51 | euth | Seb: like stack size, open files, virtual memory |
| 21:04.02 | jorfro2005 | the only thing i've been getting to work is vga |
| 21:04.05 | jorfro2005 | and it looks TERRIBLE |
| 21:04.08 | abrotman | resiak: i know! |
| 21:04.09 | thc | jorfro2005: what kind of monitor and graphics card |
| 21:04.12 | euth | Seb: I can find number of processes with ps aux|grep ^user|wc -l |
| 21:04.17 | abrotman | resiak: comprehension issues! |
| 21:04.20 | Seb | euth: i'm not sure... dtrace on solaris would help you ;) On linux, I don't know. A combination of ps -u user and the right options I'd assume |
| 21:04.29 | resiak | abrotman: Brain matter issues!! |
| 21:04.36 | Seb | euth: aside from man ps, I don't think there is much out there to do this |
| 21:04.37 | _karma_ | I'm trying to mount an extra partition and have read/write access to users, but to my dismay, I seem to be doing something wrong. My fstab entry: /dev/hda7 /mnt/stuff ext2 defaults,users,exec,dev,suid 0 0 |
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| 21:04.52 | rafx | mrwill: the only thing I'll miss is probably mod_security & mod_evasive if I switch over from Apache2 to Lighttpd |
| 21:04.58 | jorfro2005 | i have an 15.3 Wide XGA monitor, ati radeon mobility x700 |
| 21:05.08 | Seb | _karma_: you need to run chmod/chown on the mounted partition |
| 21:05.09 | thc | jorfro2005: laptop ? |
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| 21:05.11 | nopy | can someone please help me with my default route problem? i have to delete the default route everytime before i connect via adsl and pppoe to my isp. how can it be done automatically? |
| 21:05.13 | tuxbeginner | abrotman: hi, how do I start KDE apps with root rights? When I try su and start them in the console I get "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" message |
| 21:05.18 | thc | jorfro2005: brand and model please |
| 21:05.19 | abrotman | !sux |
| 21:05.19 | dpkg | i heard sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 21:05.23 | Seb | _karma_: this is not something mount can do for you, as opposed to foreign FSes like vfat for instance |
| 21:05.25 | jorfro2005 | Acer Ferrari 4005WLMI |
| 21:05.35 | renga | alguien por ahi sabe como ver una llave usb desde consola? |
| 21:05.38 | resiak | !es |
| 21:05.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:05.40 | abrotman | !alguien |
| 21:05.40 | dpkg | [alguien] the Spanish word for "anyone". A definite clue that someone needs to join #debian-es.... |
| 21:05.42 | abrotman | doh |
| 21:05.46 | abrotman | tuxbeginner: /msg dpkg sux |
| 21:05.47 | _karma_ | Seb: ahh, knew it was something along those lines, ty |
| 21:05.56 | Seb | _karma_: np |
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| 21:06.19 | jorfro2005 | wanna see log file or my config?? |
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| 21:06.55 | thc | jorfro2005: no need. i am checking linux-laptops sites and i don't see any that have Debian installed |
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| 21:07.14 | tsuyoshi | hi.. I have two parallel ports, one on the motherboard and one on a card |
| 21:07.24 | tuxbeginner | thc: ME! |
| 21:07.31 | JaMaL | is there a way to add bootsplash |
| 21:07.33 | abrotman | tsuyoshi: you're sure one isn't a serial port ? |
| 21:07.33 | tsuyoshi | is there a way to tell the kernel to ignore the bios for the second card |
| 21:07.38 | tsuyoshi | yes I am sure |
| 21:07.47 | abrotman | ignore the BIOS on the addin card? |
| 21:07.50 | renga | chanServ, como puedo hacer para ver una llave usb desde consola? |
| 21:07.53 | abrotman | !es |
| 21:07.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:07.53 | tsuyoshi | the bios is detecting the second port |
| 21:07.57 | tsuyoshi | but it can't detect the irq |
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| 21:08.00 | jorfro2005 | ok, thc, you think i'm going to be able to even use debian? |
| 21:08.13 | abrotman | renga: no habla espanol aqui ... /join #debian-es por favor |
| 21:08.18 | tsuyoshi | and so the parport_pc driver is using the second port in polling mode |
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| 21:08.21 | jorfro2005 | i got the xserver working only on generic VGA mode |
| 21:08.33 | resiak | !tell JaMaL -about bootsplash |
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| 21:08.57 | tsuyoshi | I'm using these options: options parport_pc io=0x378,0x278 irq=7,5 dma=none,none |
| 21:09.01 | thc | jorfro2005: no idea, i guess you could try testing/unstable or install xorg fmo backports but i am not saying either of those options will work |
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| 21:09.05 | santi | hola |
| 21:09.09 | thc | s/fmo/from/ |
| 21:09.15 | jorfro2005 | ok i got the backport source i guess |
| 21:09.19 | jorfro2005 | i just don't know how to install it |
| 21:09.26 | jorfro2005 | its only like 30kb in size, that can't be right |
| 21:09.36 | jorfro2005 | its the backport for xorg |
| 21:09.52 | thc | jorfro2005: where did you obtain this 'source' ? |
| 21:09.58 | jorfro2005 | ummmmmm well it said source |
| 21:10.08 | jorfro2005 | any ways i think i /msg dpkg xorg Sarge |
| 21:10.10 | jorfro2005 | or something like that |
| 21:10.13 | jorfro2005 | and tried getting the file from there |
| 21:10.16 | thc | jorfro2005: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
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| 21:10.22 | renga | debian es is for spain people I belief #debian can be a good place to talk to people of all other contris, or is only for US? |
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| 21:10.34 | resiak | renga: It's for anywhere but in English. |
| 21:10.47 | santi | hola |
| 21:10.53 | jorfro2005 | yeah i did that |
| 21:11.01 | resiak | renga: If you want help in Spanish, #debian-es is the best place to go. |
| 21:11.24 | tsuyoshi | goddamnit.. the parport_pc docs suck so much |
| 21:11.28 | santi | #debian-es |
| 21:11.44 | xfoxx | !mandriva |
| 21:11.44 | dpkg | somebody said mandriva was the new name (2005.04) of the merged Mandrake Linux and Conectiva Linux companies. |
| 21:11.50 | thc | jorfro2005: you could always upgrade your entire system but beware of broken packages in testing/unstable |
| 21:11.53 | renga | I'm happy to life in inglish talking world... |
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| 21:12.21 | jorfro2005 | if i was to upgrade to testing, do i need to download testing CD iSO's like i did stable, or can i just use an upgrade function of sum sort |
| 21:12.29 | Marc|Coding|Stuf | Can someone help me out http://pastebin.com/393887 |
| 21:12.31 | SimonRaven | tsuyoshi: modinfo is sometimes helpful |
| 21:12.39 | jorfro2005 | see i don't really feel like formatting and starting from new, especially since i'm not guarenteed for it to work ya know? |
| 21:12.44 | thc | jorfro2005: just edit sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 21:13.07 | ultraviolet16 | jorfro2005: you can just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to testing then do apt-get update then apt-get apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:13.21 | renga | jorfro2005, U can edit sources.list and then apt-update |
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| 21:13.25 | thc | jorfro2005: i can not guarantee that you will succeed in getting X running under xorg |
| 21:13.31 | renga | apt-get update |
| 21:13.33 | JaMaL | how to use .diff files |
| 21:13.36 | jorfro2005 | well thats fine, but i just don't wanan format and reinstall, etc etc |
| 21:13.41 | SimonRaven | JaMaL: man patch |
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| 21:13.46 | thc | renga: do not confuse him, i just told him the correc method. |
| 21:13.49 | jorfro2005 | so i edit the sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?? |
| 21:13.55 | thc | jorfro2005: yes |
| 21:13.56 | ultraviolet16 | jorfro2005: debian isn't really meant to downgrade, just remember that |
| 21:14.05 | ultraviolet16 | jorfro2005: yea |
| 21:14.11 | roboo | i'll setup an application but it want me to be root and i want to log files that extracted by that application. how can i log files that written to hdd after a date? |
| 21:14.15 | scx | Quick question: How do I force the eject of a music cd ? /dev/hdc |
| 21:14.16 | xMarc | Anyone got any ideas with my errors? |
| 21:14.23 | thc | scx: eject ? |
| 21:14.28 | jorfro2005 | by editing sources.list, what do i put in there...where i can get the update software? |
| 21:14.33 | jorfro2005 | like an http: or something? |
| 21:14.39 | SimonRaven | JaMaL: e.g., patch -p1 < /path/to/file.diff or cat | patch -p1 - often useful to test it first, with --dry-run |
| 21:14.40 | scx | I did try: eject -v -r /dev/hdc but sais: unable to eject, last error: Input/output error |
| 21:14.41 | xMarc | Can someone help me out http://pastebin.com/393887 |
| 21:14.46 | thc | jorfro2005: you change stable to testing |
| 21:14.48 | resiak | jorfro2005: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 21:14.53 | jorfro2005 | nice thanks |
| 21:14.56 | thc | listen to resiak |
| 21:15.00 | jorfro2005 | well do i wanna go Etch, or the unstable |
| 21:15.05 | jorfro2005 | ETch is the newest isn't it |
| 21:15.12 | resiak | jorfro2005: If you have to ask, you should _not_ use unstable |
| 21:15.15 | SimonRaven | JaMaL: er, add a ' /path/to/file.diff' after the second patch call |
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| 21:15.24 | thc | jorfro2005: i would stick with etch, you can then se if xorg works for you |
| 21:15.29 | thc | s/se/see/ |
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| 21:17.09 | brosioz | how could i mount automactly my dvd and usbmemory ? |
| 21:17.32 | ultraviolet16 | what's the big deal with x.org? why not stick with xfree86? |
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| 21:18.06 | nopy | i use sarge and everytime i connect with pon dsl-provider, i need to delete the default route in advance. is there anyway so that the default route is automatically deleted when connecting to my dsl isp? |
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| 21:18.59 | thc | ultraviolet16: some people need xorg to get the most out of their graphics cards |
| 21:19.02 | thc | i need a ciggy |
| 21:19.04 | thc | back ni ten |
| 21:19.28 | Pmarc | has someone used apt-proxy? |
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| 21:19.58 | Nick_Hill | nopy, This isn't debian-specific, but to do with how you connect to the internet. Eg via ppp, ethernet etc. |
| 21:20.06 | Pmarc | I am trying to mporta an apt-move mirror into apt-proxy ans ran into trouble |
| 21:20.32 | zinx | Nick_Hill: with which one? |
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| 21:20.59 | ultraviolet16 | so is x.org then superior to xfree? |
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| 21:21.14 | roboo | i'll setup an application but it want me to be root and i want to log files that extracted by that application. how can i log files that written to hdd after a date? |
| 21:21.17 | Nick_Hill | zinx, I don't understand the question. |
| 21:21.22 | gothtec | How can I make ctrl+alt+8 type a [ in X? |
| 21:21.28 | brosioz | how could i mount automactly my dvd and usbmemory ? |
| 21:21.29 | nopy | Nick_Hill: maybe it4s not debian specific... but maybe someone has a solution? |
| 21:21.33 | initiate | bash: ./HO.sh: Permission denied ... why does that happen even if i try to do it as root ? |
| 21:21.48 | nopy | i connect with pppoe |
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| 21:22.04 | abrotman | initiate: noexec mounted partition ? |
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| 21:22.11 | ultraviolet16 | initiate: try chmoding that script? |
| 21:22.27 | abrotman | nopy: i think i'd try to reconfigure your pppoe .. something sounds screwy |
| 21:22.39 | initiate | i have no idea abrotman |
| 21:22.46 | abrotman | initiate: check ? |
| 21:22.52 | Nick_Hill | nopy, Yes. Perhaps, but first, we need to know how you connect. Eg via ppp, or ethernet or however. But also consider as it isn't a debian-specific issue, there may be a forum with more enlightened souls regarding your problem. |
| 21:22.53 | initiate | don't know how |
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| 21:23.06 | initiate | :/ |
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| 21:23.25 | nopy | hmmm, ok |
| 21:23.26 | brosioz | how could i mount automactly my dvd and usbmemory ? |
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| 21:23.36 | abrotman | initiate: /etc/fstab |
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| 21:23.56 | xfoxx | brosioz, modify /etc/fstab with vim |
| 21:24.04 | pirlouit | HiveDrone, I'm trying to connect to mu pop3 server on sarge and I get the following: -ERR Unknown AUTHORIZATION state command |
| 21:24.06 | nopy | maybe i try putting route del default in /etc/ppp/ip-up |
| 21:24.11 | arafat | i am setting up a dual boot system at the moment (winxp and linux)... on which partition do i have the bootable flag set to on? winxp partition or /boot ? |
| 21:24.19 | nopy | thanks. bye ! |
| 21:24.24 | pirlouit | I looked at all FAQs/docs but no luck |
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| 21:24.30 | Pmarc | arafat: whichever you choose |
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| 21:24.38 | linoleum | hello guys, I got a question : why now, kernel downloadable with apt-get are named : linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 (for exemple) , and no more kernel-image-2.6.12-1-686 ???? |
| 21:24.39 | xfoxx | brosioz, if you wnana know what is your DVD ID, open shell and type cat /proc/partitions |
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| 21:24.48 | jstile | http://systemimager.sourceforge.net/devel/debian/ |
| 21:25.05 | jstile | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.05 | initiate | abrotman, /dev/hda5 none swap sw 0 0 ... is that it ? |
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| 21:25.17 | initiate | /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 21:25.22 | initiate | proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 21:25.31 | resiak | linoleum: Because. |
| 21:25.33 | jstile | I want to add a non-standard site to my sources.list. what is the proper syntax for this stie: http://systemimager.sourceforge.net/devel/debian/ |
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| 21:25.41 | linoleum | resiak, and whyN |
| 21:25.42 | linoleum | ? |
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| 21:25.46 | resiak | linoleum: Because. |
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| 21:25.57 | |RABBIT| | greetings |
| 21:25.59 | roboo | i'll setup an application but it want me to be root and i want to log files that extracted by that application. how can i log files that written to hdd after a date? |
| 21:26.04 | jstile | it's got the lastes verison of systemimager (better than testing) |
| 21:26.06 | abrotman | initiate: what are the defaults? |
| 21:26.11 | |RABBIT| | what is the origin of /etc/passwd- and /etc/group- ? |
| 21:26.23 | resiak | linoleum: Read the list archives if you want more information :) |
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| 21:26.41 | initiate | abrotman, i don't know,i've never touched this file |
| 21:26.47 | caphuso | |RABBIT|: they're backup files |
| 21:26.57 | roboo | abrotman: i'll setup an application but it want me to be root and i want to log files that extracted by that application. how can i log files that written to hdd after a date? |
| 21:27.01 | roboo | :) |
| 21:27.04 | initiate | abrotman, i suppose those are the defaults,since i never editted it |
| 21:27.22 | |RABBIT| | caphuso: so this is in addition to the stuff in /var/backups? |
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| 21:28.12 | caphuso | |RABBIT|: /var/backups is done daily, and {passwd,group}- are created right when you modify {passwd,group} |
| 21:28.28 | |RABBIT| | aha |
| 21:28.28 | xfoxx | i just installed this package, and cannot manage to unistalled have tried with apt, dpkg even alien how can i uninstall this program? |
| 21:28.34 | |RABBIT| | thanks |
| 21:28.46 | abrotman | roboo: stow? checkinstall? |
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| 21:29.09 | abrotman | initiate: i doubt the defaults are noexec .. sounds like the file is messed up somehow |
| 21:29.16 | roboo | abrotman: how? |
| 21:29.46 | initiate | abrotman, i just reinstalled the debian with a fresh format ... like 2 hours ago |
| 21:30.26 | roboo | umm |
| 21:30.35 | initiate | abrotman, the only things i installed are kernel 2.6.8-2,alsa,nvidia drivers,xchat,zip/unzip ... that's pretty much about it |
| 21:30.43 | roboo | how can i find files with their dates ? |
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| 21:31.47 | abrotman | roboo: install them .. read the man pages |
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| 21:31.56 | abrotman | roboo: man find .. |
| 21:32.06 | abrotman | roboo: i misunderstood you .. you want man find |
| 21:32.15 | abrotman | initiate: what file is it? |
| 21:32.42 | OKOX | hello, when kernel boots i see the message "eth2 Unknown hardware address type 24 " i can't connect white eth2 by wifi, but i can run kismet, how can i solve it ? |
| 21:32.46 | noid_ | what would be the reason behind having the scsi_mod module appear listed under lsmod when it's been compiled into the kernel, not as a module? |
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| 21:32.51 | initiate | abrotman, it's a program to track stats in one online game ... nothing special |
| 21:33.13 | abrotman | initiate: and it doesn't work ? |
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| 21:33.18 | valdyn | noid_: that its not compiled into the kernel but as module |
| 21:33.27 | pinucset | amarok project needs money. Please consider giving them a little donation. Down-right in http://amarok.kde.org/ |
| 21:33.49 | noid_ | valdyn: yes, but i have compiled it into the kernel, i'm sure of that |
| 21:33.52 | abrotman | did we just get spammed for kde krap ? |
| 21:33.57 | thc | apparently |
| 21:33.58 | valdyn | noid_: no you havent |
| 21:34.01 | initiate | abrotman, no it doesn't ... it requires java,but i installed java already |
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| 21:34.09 | noid_ | valdyn: nevermind, i must have messed up something |
| 21:34.09 | initiate | so i suppose that's not the problem |
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| 21:34.42 | m2m | where can i get kernel-headers-2.6.13.4? |
| 21:34.54 | valdyn | m2m: not in debian |
| 21:34.54 | caphuso | pinucset: splendid way of improving amarok's popularity... now go to the developers and tell them that you're sorry for making the project look shabby |
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| 21:35.07 | thc | haha |
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| 21:36.35 | abrotman | caphuso: apparently he does'nt care |
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| 21:36.56 | m2m | i want to apt-get install kernel-images-2.6.13.4 but apparently don't have a source for it in my sources.list |
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| 21:37.04 | linoleum | is it better to use Firefox or Epyphany? |
| 21:37.14 | valdyn | linoleum: for who? |
| 21:37.18 | abrotman | Epiphany |
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| 21:37.20 | abrotman | wait |
| 21:37.21 | abrotman | FF |
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| 21:37.25 | abrotman | but you spelled it wrong |
| 21:37.31 | linoleum | yes sorry |
| 21:37.42 | m2m | kernel-headers even |
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| 21:38.04 | valdyn | m2m: you're confusing alot of things |
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| 21:38.22 | valdyn | m2m: first off, debian kernel packages are never name like this |
| 21:38.31 | valdyn | s/name/named |
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| 21:39.09 | valdyn | m2m: try apt-cache search kernel-image or apt-cache search linux-image |
| 21:39.29 | |RABBIT| | what is the "right thing to do" when a package is not available in a certain distribution? |
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| 21:39.43 | |RABBIT| | in my case I am deploying a server using 'testing' |
| 21:39.51 | |RABBIT| | and I need dbmail which is available only in sid |
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| 21:40.26 | thc | |RABBIT|: wait for the package to move into testing |
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| 21:40.43 | stew | |RABBIT|: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:40.55 | |RABBIT| | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.57 | |RABBIT| | crap |
| 21:40.58 | |RABBIT| | sorry :) |
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| 21:41.46 | kelden | Hello, I'm having a bit of trouble getting debian and I was wondering if someone could give me some quick help? |
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| 21:42.26 | stew | kelden: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 21:42.29 | kelden | The site says that an ethernet can be used for the net-install, what alternatives to PCI are there? |
| 21:42.33 | |RABBIT| | this sounds pretty clean |
| 21:42.36 | |RABBIT| | thanks stew |
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| 21:43.07 | |RABBIT| | kelden: too many, what is your hardware? |
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| 21:44.38 | kelden | p133, don't know what ram, 80gb hd |
| 21:44.39 | rleigh | kelden: The PCI bus? Some systems have an ISA (or EISA/VEISA) or MCA bus. If you already have a network card in your system, it should be automatically detected by the installer (CD-ROM, boot floppy etc..) |
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| 21:44.53 | kelden | PCI card |
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| 21:46.50 | kelden | ok, so I can use an ISA ethernet card? |
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| 21:47.09 | rleigh | kelden: Have you tried the boot floppies? Just download the 3 floppy images (boot,root,net-drivers) from here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst, and read the installation manual http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual. |
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| 21:47.39 | kelden | ok, thanks |
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| 21:47.53 | rleigh | kelden: Yes, ISA network cards should also work fine, though it may not be autodetected; note down the manufacturer/model just in case. |
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| 21:48.07 | kelden | ok |
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| 21:50.01 | rleigh | kelden: If it's not found automatically, you can manually insert the module (driver) as part of the install by choosing it from a list of network card modules. |
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| 21:51.26 | Horde | can someone give me a hand at connecting my box to the internet? |
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| 21:51.38 | sylvisj | Sup all |
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| 21:52.19 | sylvisj | Sup all. |
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| 21:53.15 | Horde | and no, its not the one im using at the moment |
| 21:53.18 | sylvisj | Any apt packages to install Java Runtime? |
| 21:53.52 | Nick_Hill | sylvisj, Free java is now available. I got it along with OO2 in experimental. |
| 21:54.20 | sylvisj | Alright. What package do I get? |
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| 21:54.45 | riscos | how i secure more my debian? |
| 21:55.15 | savio_R | where is the gnomemeeting config file? Thanks. |
| 21:55.18 | mikeX | riscos: apt-get install harden-doc |
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| 21:55.43 | riscos | but i`ve got litle problem |
| 21:55.48 | riscos | users in home dir |
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| 21:55.52 | riscos | have access |
| 21:55.55 | riscos | in all directory |
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| 21:56.23 | mikeX | riscos: you could you be more precise? |
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| 21:56.48 | stew | savio_R: if its not /etc/gnomemeeting* it should be documented in the manpage or in /usr/share/doc/gnomemeeting/* |
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| 21:57.04 | sylvisj | Anyone know what the apt- package for Java is? |
| 21:57.12 | stew | sylvisj: /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:57.18 | mikeX | sylvisj: /msg dpkg java |
| 21:57.33 | riscos | ok... but how i create new access in this user |
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| 21:58.18 | flora | i'm trying to hammer my way through using rsync to remotely copy an ENTIRE linux disk and am hoping for some advice... |
| 21:58.37 | flora | i'm using rsync -arvz remote.site.com:/ / |
| 21:58.46 | flora | will that work? |
| 21:59.14 | riscos | and how i limit the user access |
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| 21:59.21 | kelden | Thanks rleigh, I think's I've got it now. |
| 21:59.26 | stew | flora: you probably want to exclude /proc /dev /sys |
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| 21:59.43 | flora | stew: can i ask why? (sorry i'm kindof newbie) |
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| 22:00.25 | smacnay | the command 'dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dir/image.iso' should copy a burnable image of a cdrom to hard disk, correct? |
| 22:00.48 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: to dir/image.iso, yes. |
| 22:00.53 | stew | smacnay: yeah, or just cp /dev/cdrom /dir/image.iso |
| 22:00.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell imageek -about away |
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| 22:01.07 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 22:01.15 | smacnay | just double checking.. |
| 22:01.17 | stew | flora: those directories don't contain real files, but interfaces to the kernel and the hardware |
| 22:01.28 | meff | iirc dd on linux wont make an exact copy of a cdrom.. try readcd |
| 22:01.34 | flora | stew: roger, thanks |
| 22:01.35 | dondelelcaro | meff: yes, it will. |
| 22:01.46 | meff | dondelelcaro: fixed in newer kernels then? |
| 22:02.20 | smacnay | meff: thanks |
| 22:02.21 | dondelelcaro | meff: uh, it always has. the physical device is the physical device. If it's not, it's a kernel bug. |
| 22:02.32 | riscos | help me pls ;P~ |
| 22:03.13 | kingsley__ | Is it practical to backup a big hard drive to many DVDs with: tar | gzip | split | growisofs? |
| 22:03.20 | flora | so would that command look like: rsync -arvz re.mote.site:/ / --exclude=/proc /dev /sys ? |
| 22:03.39 | meff | dondelelcaro: yes, a kernel bug.. and iirc its still there.. read months ago on the debian cdwrite list.. its been a bug for ages. linux overreads the cdrom .. this is what the burning option to pad the end of disk was for, so linux knew where to stop reading.. no bs. |
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| 22:03.57 | stew | flora --exclude=/proc --exclude=/dev --exclude=/sys |
| 22:04.12 | flora | stew, thanks again :) |
| 22:04.15 | flora | i owe ya one! |
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| 22:04.31 | dondelelcaro | meff: I've never had that problem myself. Do you have a link to the discussion of the bug and/or the bug number in the BTS? |
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| 22:05.03 | dondelelcaro | (and joerg schilling's opinion on the matter isn't really enough; he's becomming more and more of a lunatic.) |
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| 22:05.28 | brosioz | how could i mount automactly my dvd and usbmemory ? |
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| 22:06.01 | meff | dondelelcaro: haha yes joerg was in the discussion, however more people tried the same.. dd the same cd twice and you won't get the same md5sum of the result, if you wanna check for yourself. |
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| 22:06.37 | Bac9 | how is it possible to see the bug that caused the removal of package from archive? |
| 22:07.00 | dondelelcaro | meff: uh... you better get the same md5sum; now if you mean burn it in between, that's possible; but it should still have the exact same set of data that was actually burned to the disc. |
| 22:07.00 | mufa | Hi, I am trying to use postfix-gld and I got this error: "fatal: open dictionary: expecting "type:name" form instead of "greylisting:"" Any idea what's wrong? Thank you |
| 22:07.06 | _MC_ | >>Can I put a Raedon Mobility Graphic Card into Powersaving Mode, like it is possible with Windows? |
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| 22:07.23 | xoz | meff: md5sum will have a bug for that |
| 22:07.32 | chealer | Bac9: there's not always a bug report |
| 22:07.34 | meff | dondelelcaro: not with this kernel bug.. seriously, try it.. if its fixed, hay cool.. if not, there's your proof |
| 22:07.45 | chealer | !tell Bac9 about removals |
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| 22:08.22 | meff | The problem is that the last block may be confused with the lead out area, and some drives will not read it properly. Thus your MD5 checksums will fail. You can pad the last blocks using the -pad option of cdrecord, but your checksums still might not match as you have added additional data to the CD that was not present in the original ISO image. |
| 22:08.27 | meff | http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:ZEzv4pZxz2UJ:www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/burn_iso_images.html+linux+burn+pad&hl=en there is one link |
| 22:08.49 | meff | though, what i've read is the lead out bug is linux specific. |
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| 22:31.11 | thc | wow, the entire userlist actually fits in my terminal |
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| 22:31.13 | thc | o.O |
| 22:31.18 | error403 | thc, lol |
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| 22:31.22 | thc | hehe |
| 22:31.26 | error403 | never seen #debian this empty |
| 22:31.29 | error403 | wtf happened? |
| 22:31.30 | thc | nevarrrr |
| 22:31.30 | Boil | smallest I've ever seen #debian |
| 22:31.38 | error403 | * markos_ (n=markos@ppp9-adsl01-18.the.forthnet.gr) has left #debian (requested by ChanServ: "Forbidden Channel") |
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| 22:31.38 | thc | no idea, server borked or something |
| 22:31.38 | flora | is there some place i can download all the debian CDs in one big package? |
| 22:31.42 | error403 | gonna say |
| 22:31.46 | dondelelcaro | error403: /topic... |
| 22:31.50 | error403 | looks like the server shit all over itself... |
| 22:31.54 | Lee__ | flora: www.debian.org |
| 22:31.55 | phogg | It was at 26 when I joined. It hasn't been that small this century, I'm sure. |
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| 22:32.01 | Lee__ | "getting debian" section |
| 22:32.05 | dondelelcaro | phogg: it has, actually... |
| 22:32.11 | dondelelcaro | about 2 years ago |
| 22:32.14 | SpComb | pity the whole channel wasn't emptied :p |
| 22:32.19 | phogg | dondelelcaro: show's what I know :) |
| 22:32.22 | flora | Lee__: thanks but i only see them each seperately there |
| 22:32.24 | SpComb | then the 'created' time would have gone to now :p |
| 22:32.30 | flora | i want one big zip or tarball of all 14 CDs |
| 22:32.44 | Lee__ | oh please. just make a list and wget -i the URLs |
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| 22:33.03 | Lee__ | or use bittorrent and queue them up |
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| 22:33.12 | flora | ok ok fine |
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| 22:34.14 | dondelelcaro | it's not like you can't just wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14}.iso |
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| 22:34.59 | ultraviolet16 | wow this place got cleared out! |
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| 22:35.13 | TwistedEmotions | what happened? another split? |
| 22:35.19 | Boil | lol |
| 22:35.19 | Boil | no |
| 22:35.25 | error403 | no split |
| 22:35.26 | Boil | a split would take it down to 450 |
| 22:35.31 | xoz | not split, big bang |
| 22:35.34 | Boil | chanserv crapped on itself |
| 22:35.37 | error403 | ChanServ smoked too much pot |
| 22:35.55 | Boil | Chanserv had a bad acid trip |
| 22:36.06 | TwistedEmotions | oh.. we will recover... room will be filled with tards yet again. |
| 22:36.11 | ultraviolet16 | what is this... "chanserv" you speak of? |
| 22:36.20 | Boil | when phogg joined, it was at 26 |
| 22:36.36 | phogg | dondelelcaro: way too much work: for n in `seq 1 14` ; do wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-binary-$n.iso ; done |
| 22:37.09 | dondelelcaro | phogg: much easier to use the same wget connection; if you wanted to do that, use seq with echo and xargs. |
| 22:37.10 | caphuso | bash3 supports {1..14} |
| 22:37.28 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: yeah; too used to bash2 |
| 22:37.38 | phogg | dondelelcaro: very true |
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| 22:38.32 | dli | someone to help me get my usb hdd ? |
| 22:38.54 | xoz | dli: we are listening.... |
| 22:38.59 | sobersabre | dli, i don't think i can reach it from here... |
| 22:39.03 | Merlin-- | hey guys |
| 22:39.05 | Merlin-- | :) |
| 22:39.08 | Merlin-- | i have a question |
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| 22:39.27 | sobersabre | Merlin--, are you sure ? |
| 22:39.31 | dli | xoz sobersabre it freezes forever when I "cat /proc/bus/usb/devices" |
| 22:39.32 | Merlin-- | pretty sure... |
| 22:39.33 | Merlin-- | lol |
| 22:39.33 | Merlin-- | ;) |
| 22:39.35 | chealer | dpkg: no, when will etch release is <reply> Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/10/msg00004.html |
| 22:39.35 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
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| 22:39.37 | Merlin-- | why would pdflush restart? and is it normal (will operations carry out caching and/or paging normally and running smoothly if this happens), the only reason im assuming that it has restarting is that the times have changed; and the process ID has changed and moved (naturally); but the parent process ID for that particular process is still what it was on init. anyone know how to tell for sure or know what im talking about? |
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| 22:40.02 | ufoalien | hm. |
| 22:40.14 | bob_123 | hi there, im trying to install xorg but i couldnt find any howtos or manuals on debian website, just user comments in the forum, is there a real howto for installing xorg? |
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| 22:40.23 | ufoalien | rl sucks, irc sucks now too or what ;) |
| 22:40.29 | chealer | bob_123: which release do you run? |
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| 22:40.32 | sobersabre | bob_123, topic... |
| 22:40.35 | xoz | dli: more info. kernel version, debian version. |
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| 22:40.38 | bob_123 | chealer: sarge |
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| 22:40.41 | b0ef | I had a game running in 640x480 and it stopped responding; I ssh'ed in and killed it, but now my desktop is also 640x480 - any way to reset it? |
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| 22:40.53 | bob_123 | sobersabre: what do you mean :| |
| 22:40.57 | chealer | bob_123: if you really want to do that, /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 22:41.05 | sobersabre | bob_123, READ the topic. |
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| 22:41.10 | dli | xoz: kernel 2.6.13.4, I tried on debian stable or testing or gentoo |
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| 22:41.27 | dli | xoz: the same behavior, tried 2.4 debian kernel also |
| 22:41.30 | phogg | b0ef: when that happens to me with e.g. quake3 I find that starting quake3 and then exiting resets my screen to normal. I'm sure there's a better way... |
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| 22:41.36 | ufoalien | bob_123: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 22:41.39 | sobersabre | dli, does the hdd freeze or whom ? |
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| 22:41.54 | b0ef | phogg: I'm aware of that trick, but it doesn't work now |
| 22:42.09 | bob_123 | sobersabre: the topic is a whole bunch of stuff, i dont get it, sorry im a noob can you expan to me? |
| 22:42.12 | xoz | dli: you usb controller is? have you checked lspci info? |
| 22:42.17 | Merlin-- | ;[ |
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| 22:42.31 | Merlin-- | ;[[[# |
| 22:42.39 | bob_123 | chealer: is there a particular mirror i have to add? cuz i did apt-cache search xorg and nothing came up |
| 22:42.48 | b0ef | well, sending a mail to xorg; thanks anyway |
| 22:42.50 | xoz | dli: and lsusb |
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| 22:42.51 | dli | sobersabre, I don't know, I couldn't mount the hdd |
| 22:42.53 | phogg | bob_123: see the part that says "X.org: sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge"? Do that. |
| 22:42.59 | dli | xoz: lsusb freezes |
| 22:43.01 | riscos | how i can limit user privilegy |
| 22:43.08 | sobersabre | dli, is it a new hdd or a used one ? |
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| 22:43.24 | sobersabre | bob_123, type: "/msg dpkg xorg sarge" |
| 22:43.26 | chealer | bob_123: it's not a mirror you're looking for, it's a X.org sarge backport repository. why do you want X.org? |
| 22:43.27 | dli | sobersabre, I can mount it in windows |
| 22:43.44 | magneticlady | #indie.torrents |
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| 22:43.46 | sobersabre | dli, which filesystem is inside it ? |
| 22:43.51 | xoz | dli: is this the usual thing or occasional> |
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| 22:44.37 | NO_MORE_non-us | oeke: hola potatoe! |
| 22:44.46 | bob_123 | chealer: cuz my laptop wont work with XFree , i read couple of sites of people who installed debian on my laptop model and they all went with xorg |
| 22:44.46 | dli | sobersabre, xoz, the dmesg at http://riz-sage.uchicago.edu/tmp.txt |
| 22:44.55 | dli | sobersabre, ext3 |
| 22:45.02 | dusk | hey, i just installed debian sarge, but my screen res isnt right, and when i modify /etc/x11/xfree86-4 to 1280x1024 i get an error, how can I reconfig my monitor/videocard/resolution like in the debian install? |
| 22:45.04 | xoz | dli: possible it hangs because it is waiting for timeout |
| 22:45.07 | dli | xoz: it always behaviors like this |
| 22:45.09 | sobersabre | dli, how do you mount it from windows ? |
| 22:45.12 | bob_123 | phogg: how do i see the topic? i mean i see it , shoul di click on it? or go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/? |
| 22:45.13 | chealer | bob_123: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 22:45.13 | dusk | i dont think the auto setting worked for my monitor |
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| 22:45.23 | dli | sobersabre, with the ext2fsd driver |
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| 22:45.35 | sobersabre | ok |
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| 22:45.43 | bob_123 | cheale：can you explain that command for me? why not apt-get install xorg ?:) |
| 22:45.44 | thc | dusk: did you edit XF86Config-4 with en editor? |
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| 22:45.50 | xbmodder | hey |
| 22:45.53 | dusk | thc: yes, nano |
| 22:46.01 | sobersabre | dli, which SCSI modules do you have in the kernel ? ( namely is "sd" there ? ) |
| 22:46.03 | dusk | should I get xorg instead? |
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| 22:46.03 | thc | dusk: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 22:46.26 | chealer | bob_123: apt-get install foo will only install foo if foo is in your repositories |
| 22:46.31 | thc | dusk: you need to fix your X config now, reconfiguring will not save the changes because you edited the file |
| 22:46.47 | chealer | bob_123: there's no xorg package in sarge repositories |
| 22:46.47 | bob_123 | chealer: and whats /msg? i did man /msg nothing came up :s |
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| 22:47.00 | dusk | thc: i reinstalled debian from scratch when I got that error |
| 22:47.03 | sobersabre | bob_123, /msg is an IRC command. |
| 22:47.04 | dli | sobersabre, let me check the kernel |
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| 22:47.09 | chealer | bob_123: type it in your IRC client. |
| 22:47.12 | chealer | !msgdpkg |
| 22:47.12 | dpkg | "/msg" is a command in most IRC clients to send a private message (PM) to a user. dpkg is a bot, who responds to certain keywords with information. If somebody tells you to "/msg dpkg something", type that into your IRC client and dpkg will tell you something in private to keep clutter off the main channel. Make sure you don't leave a space between the start of the line and the "/msg". |
| 22:47.13 | dusk | thc: so this version is clean, just did the "desktop" install |
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| 22:47.22 | thc | dusk: you just said you edited the file, did you edit it before or after you installed? |
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| 22:47.34 | dusk | thc: before |
| 22:47.34 | thc | dusk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:47.37 | xoz | dli: try modprobe ehci-hcd, ohci-hcd .... |
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| 22:47.57 | chump | Hi I just switched to x.org, everything is perfect but I lost scroll on my mouse wheel, anybody know how to re-enable this? |
| 22:48.00 | dusk | thc: thanks |
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| 22:48.11 | riscos | where i can get bash script to change my console colour? |
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| 22:48.11 | Jason-Bourne | all your base are belong to us |
| 22:48.11 | thc | no problem |
| 22:48.11 | dli | xoz: ehci uchi are both built-in, ohci is not |
| 22:48.11 | Jason-Bourne | all your base are belong to us |
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| 22:48.11 | sobersabre | xoz, i wonder which hcd is taking over there.... |
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| 22:48.12 | bob_123 | chealer: thank you |
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| 22:48.15 | sobersabre | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.16 | dusk | thc: i plan on playing some 3d games and the like, do you reccomend me getting xorg instead of xfree? |
| 22:48.24 | thc | dusk: don't edit that file manually unless you know what you are doing, if you do debconf won't handle it anymore |
| 22:48.27 | xoz | dli: what about ehci ? |
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| 22:48.36 | thc | dusk: yes you will probably want xorg |
| 22:48.41 | dusk | thc: i noticed, did a google and everyone set that |
| 22:48.44 | thc | dusk: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 22:48.47 | dusk | thc: but after I configure xfree again? |
| 22:48.53 | xoz | sobersabre: survival of the fittest |
| 22:49.02 | thc | dusk: don't bother reconfiguring xfree86 if you are going to replace it with xorg |
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| 22:49.17 | chealer | ChanServ: welcome back |
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| 22:49.34 | dli | sobersabre, I have "scsi disk support", "scsi generic" "scsi media change" |
| 22:49.47 | dusk | thc: ok thanks gain |
| 22:49.53 | thc | no problem |
| 22:50.01 | chealer | chump: did you try # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg; ? |
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| 22:50.06 | xoz | dli: scsi_mod, sd_mod |
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| 22:50.14 | dli | xoz: ehci is built-in |
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| 22:50.31 | xoz | dli: this is not debian compiled kernel? |
| 22:50.40 | Dewi | is there a good wsy to measure how much my system is churning swap pages in and out, and therefore determine whether I need more RAM? |
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| 22:50.53 | dli | xoz: scsi_mod sd_mod |
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| 22:51.01 | chump | chealer: is that what I should run, I would hate to break it now. |
| 22:51.02 | dli | xoz: both in |
| 22:51.11 | xoz | dli: try debian stock kernel first. the error might be in your kernel config |
| 22:51.23 | dli | xoz: tried debian kernel the same |
| 22:51.25 | error403 | how do i check the free space on a mount point? |
| 22:51.32 | BNE | does anybody know which chip is on the "highpoint rocketraid 2220"? i'm trying to figure out, if it's supported by the vanilla kernel.... |
| 22:51.32 | dli | xoz: both 2.6 and 2.4 |
| 22:51.36 | jdhutchin1 | dli, df |
| 22:51.38 | chealer | chump: it shouldn't change anything if you don't request it |
| 22:51.48 | chump | chealer: all other function are fine. is there some keyword in the xorg.conf |
| 22:51.54 | Dewi | error403: df |
| 22:51.56 | xoz | dli: you cannot mount it? |
| 22:51.58 | dli | jdhutchin1, no usb in df |
| 22:51.58 | xbmodder | hey |
| 22:52.03 | chump | chealer: to turn the wheel on |
| 22:52.03 | dli | xoz: no :( |
| 22:52.06 | bob_123 | chealer: sorry to bother you again, so it looks like i should add http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ to my source.list and then do an apt-get xorg? |
| 22:52.20 | xoz | dli: fdisk /dev/<drive> ? |
| 22:52.30 | xoz | dli: fdisk -l /dev/<drive> ? |
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| 22:52.37 | NO_MORE_non-us | what ya mean "no more non us" ??? |
| 22:52.54 | dusk | is there a way to apt-get install xorg? |
| 22:52.56 | Dewi | NO_MORE_non-us: it's being integrated into the main repo |
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| 22:53.05 | dli | xoz: fdisk has no output |
| 22:53.06 | thc | dusk: on sarge, no |
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| 22:53.14 | NO_MORE_non-us | Demi: weird topic... what is ? |
| 22:53.24 | sobersabre | dli, which device are you trying to mount ? |
| 22:53.24 | dusk | thc: that link you gave me is just a gunzip |
| 22:53.25 | Dewi | NO_MORE_non-us: the packages previously found under non-us |
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| 22:53.30 | thc | dusk: you need to install xorg from backports on sarge |
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| 22:53.54 | NO_MORE_non-us | Demi: aha, okies |
| 22:53.56 | dusk | thc: err, not sure what that means.. do I have to update my apt file to accept another server? |
| 22:54.04 | Lee__ | I'm having an unusual problem with a former sarge "testing" installation upgraded last june to sarge "stable". Grub won't boot any other kernels then the one I originally installed. the Grub error is "24: "Attempt to access block outside partition"" |
| 22:54.11 | Dewi | NO_MORE_non-us: export restrictions have gotten less tight, as I understnad |
| 22:54.13 | dli | sobersabre, /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 |
| 22:54.14 | bob_123 | thc: is there an instruction page? i just did /msg dpkg xorg sarge and it wont tell you how to install it, just a weblink |
| 22:54.26 | thc | hang on i have to take a call |
| 22:54.28 | xoz | dli: seems to me that usb drive are not that hard to detect and mount in the 2.6 kernel. it must be something with incomplete module or your hdd is just so *unique* |
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| 22:54.48 | grimmrpr | Dewi: they dont have to be tight now as the computers are somewhat faster |
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| 22:55.00 | dli | xoz: http://riz-sage.uchicago.edu/tmp.txt |
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| 22:55.45 | outlaw84 | why aren't udev and hotplug friends in unstable i368 right now? |
| 22:55.57 | sobersabre | dli, have you tried to mount sg0 ? |
| 22:56.11 | dli | sobersabre, trying |
| 22:56.12 | xoz | dli: what's the brand of your usb? |
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| 22:56.27 | chealer | outlaw84: if they'd always be friend, it wouldn't be unstable, right? |
| 22:56.34 | dli | sobersabre, sg0 doesn't work |
| 22:56.38 | outlaw84 | :) |
| 22:56.46 | chealer | bob_123: s/apt-get xorg/apt-get upgrade |
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| 22:57.09 | bob_123 | chealer: ok i add the testing repo to my list and do apt-get xorg, thats it? thanks |
| 22:57.28 | dli | xoz: my computer or the usb hdd box? |
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| 22:57.37 | chealer | bob_123: not apt-get xorg, apt-get upgrade |
| 22:57.39 | xoz | dli: hdd |
| 22:57.55 | xoz | dli: and the controller of usb |
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| 22:58.15 | outlaw84 | chealer: Do you know if there is a date set for when they will become friends again? |
| 22:58.38 | thc | dusk, bob_123: add these two lines to sources.list |
| 22:58.40 | xoz | dli: lspci | grep -i usb |
| 22:58.42 | grimmrpr | -lilo- [Global Notice] This would be a good time to mention that freenode needs help with Monix |
| 22:58.46 | thc | deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main |
| 22:58.47 | thc | deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main |
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| 22:58.57 | sobersabre | dli, does the hdd have a firewire cable ? |
| 22:59.04 | dli | xoz: 0000:00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 |
| 22:59.09 | [bman] | gimmrpr: ? |
| 22:59.20 | dli | sobersabre, it has the interface, but I don't have any cable |
| 22:59.22 | bob_123 | thc:thanks |
| 22:59.26 | dusk | heh, where is sources.list again? |
| 22:59.27 | thc | no problem |
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| 22:59.32 | thc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.34 | dusk | been a little while since i debian |
| 22:59.35 | dli | sobersabre, and usb works in windows |
| 22:59.47 | dli | sobersabre, checked my dmesg? |
| 23:00.04 | sobersabre | dli, it seems there's some problem during the boot. |
| 23:00.05 | chealer | outlaw84: when they'll go together happily in testing. or when you explain what problem you're talking about |
| 23:00.16 | grimmrpr | [bman]: all the notices.. nm / good stuff btw, keep it up |
| 23:00.16 | sobersabre | dli, can u use another USB driver ? |
| 23:00.27 | sobersabre | i mean ehci |
| 23:00.29 | xoz | dli: and the hdd brand? |
| 23:00.35 | sobersabre | xoz, WD |
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| 23:00.42 | dli | xoz: western digital |
| 23:00.46 | [bman] | ok.... |
| 23:01.10 | rafx | on sarge, when i try to install libapache2-mod-fcgid/testing it tries to upgrade libc6 too. how do i install this while forcing it not upgrade any other packages? |
| 23:01.13 | xoz | dli: are you sure you have ehci? |
| 23:01.15 | dli | sobersabre, what do you mean trying another driver? another hdd? |
| 23:01.26 | outlaw84 | chealer: ie yesterday I wanted to use my scanner and udev didn't find it... So I had to install hotplug... then hotplug didn't find my MMC card reader... so I had to install udev... |
| 23:01.29 | xoz | ehci can co-exist with ohci|uhci |
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| 23:01.44 | caphuso | rafx: you can't. find a backport or create your own |
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| 23:01.46 | SimonRaven | wtf was that? |
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| 23:01.49 | dli | xoz: ehci is built-in :( |
| 23:01.55 | xoz | dli: google for WD issues in linux |
| 23:02.25 | chealer | SimonRaven: some big problem at freenode |
| 23:02.26 | grimmrpr | western digital hd's ? .. not so much a fan |
| 23:02.28 | rafx | caphuso: thanks |
| 23:02.31 | streuner | SimonRaven: lilo- [Global Notice] Hi all. We're having issues with an attack. We're restoring a previous services backup. Please bear with us. |
| 23:02.31 | xoz | dli: usb-compliant hdd should be trivial to use in linux. |
| 23:02.32 | SimonRaven | caphuso: does it matter if the chan's set +s? |
| 23:02.39 | SimonRaven | oh ok |
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| 23:03.18 | caphuso | SimonRaven: dunno |
| 23:03.19 | dli | xoz: it's a standard hdd, in a usb box |
| 23:03.28 | dli | xoz: yes, it's trivial in windows |
| 23:03.32 | SimonRaven | caphuso: i know they changed the meaning of +s, was just wondering |
| 23:03.33 | sobersabre | dli, I have found several issues about your HDD... like: http://www.usenetlinux.com/archive/topic.php/t-473515.html |
| 23:03.44 | xoz | dli: so, google has no report with users having problem? |
| 23:03.58 | sobersabre | dli, the problem is most probably not the disk, but its USB controller |
| 23:04.05 | grimmrpr | (if only i had a rack of wd caviar's... like back in the day when things where nice and dandy:) |
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| 23:04.19 | dli | xoz: quite often, -110 error, but no solution found in google |
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| 23:04.46 | chealer | outlaw84: so both packages have bugs? look at the BTS |
| 23:04.57 | *** mode/#debian [-s] by dondelelcaro |
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| 23:05.07 | dli | sobersabre, I tried on different computers also |
| 23:05.14 | dli | sobersabre, but all are dell :( |
| 23:05.16 | bob_123 | why do people use debian instead of ubuntu? ubuntu is easier to install and has a lot of newer packages? im just a noob so im just curious :) |
| 23:05.33 | meff | easier? its the same damn installer |
| 23:05.34 | outlaw84 | chealer: BTS? |
| 23:05.36 | dusk | thc: how do I set xorg up ? |
| 23:05.37 | xfoxx | i cannot find a package i installedm and apt pakacge command and package installed doesnt detect it, but when i call the program it creallt sem that it is installed how can i remove this program? |
| 23:05.38 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 23:05.39 | chealer | !btssmite outlaw84 |
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| 23:05.44 | chealer | !tell bob_123 about why debian |
| 23:05.46 | xoz | dli: oh well, check the usb kernel people for support. it may not be supported right now. |
| 23:05.48 | dli | dusk, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:05.49 | dusk | thc: i installed it, do I have to reset my x? |
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| 23:06.01 | thc | bob_123: i run debian because the name doesn't sound like an aborigine tribe. |
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| 23:06.12 | xfoxx | thx, lol |
| 23:06.13 | SimonRaven | thc: the word is african |
| 23:06.16 | outlaw84 | Bug Tracking System. I guess |
| 23:06.21 | thc | dusk: most likely since your X was already borked, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:06.21 | SimonRaven | @lart thc |
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| 23:06.28 | thc | SimonRaven: hehe |
| 23:06.30 | xoz | dli: this isn't a debian issue. |
| 23:06.37 | bob_123 | thc: wow thats very unnice :) whats wrong with aboriginals |
| 23:06.39 | dli | xoz: right, the same in gentoo |
| 23:06.51 | xoz | dli: it's a kernel issue |
| 23:06.59 | thc | bob_123: nothing at all, when i go out to bars i tell chicks i run Debian and it gets me laid. |
| 23:07.10 | dli | xoz: couldn't believe this :( |
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| 23:07.31 | bob_123 | thc: wow im gonna give it a try, but first i gotta get the xorg working |
| 23:07.36 | meppl | forbidden channel? |
| 23:07.37 | meppl | wth |
| 23:07.38 | zinx | thc: because you can afford a computer? |
| 23:07.47 | thc | zinx: i stole this box! |
| 23:07.57 | zinx | thc: yeah, but you don't have to tell THEM that! |
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| 23:08.04 | xoz | dli: you should have checked for linux-supported usb before buying it... but really, usb hdd is supposed to work because it is standardized. |
| 23:08.05 | SimonRaven | meppl: <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. We're having issues with an attack. We're restoring a previous services backup. Please bear with us. |
| 23:08.08 | bob_123 | thc: so after installing xorg will it get rid of XFree for me or do i have to remoce it ? |
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| 23:08.17 | SimonRaven | etc. |
| 23:08.17 | [bman] | dli: check: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/ |
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| 23:08.26 | meppl | SimonRaven, co0l |
| 23:08.30 | xoz | dli: that's why there's only three main usb modules |
| 23:08.31 | dli | xoz: it's supported in mandrake, suddenly realized |
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| 23:08.34 | thc | bob_123: xorg will replace xfree86, your XF86Config-4 settings should migrate into xorg.conf |
| 23:08.41 | phogg | bob_123: xserver-xorg and xserver-xfree86 conflict |
| 23:08.45 | aarkerio | somebody knows an UML tool for Linux? |
| 23:08.45 | tombs | hi all |
| 23:08.52 | xoz | dli: oh... so maybe they have a patched? |
| 23:08.54 | dli | xoz: plug & play in mandrake |
| 23:09.01 | thc | phogg: they do? i've never had an issue replacing xfree86 with xorg. |
| 23:09.07 | xfoxx | thc, and how do i install composite after that??? |
| 23:09.22 | xoz | dli: you can check what patches they used for the usb kernel modules. |
| 23:09.23 | meff | why do people bother with composite |
| 23:09.24 | phogg | thc: conflicts as in can;'t have both at once |
| 23:09.27 | meff | its b-e-t-a |
| 23:09.29 | thc | xfoxx: Google will tell you what sections to add depending on your graphics card |
| 23:09.35 | meff | hell alpha |
| 23:09.36 | meff | :P |
| 23:09.40 | thc | phogg: hence the word 'replace' |
| 23:09.41 | xoz | dli: what about the upstream kernel? have you tried building one? |
| 23:09.42 | bob_123 | thc: i just installed it and did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it says xserver-xorg is not installed :s |
| 23:09.51 | dondelelcaro | bob_123: so install xserver-xorg |
| 23:10.02 | dli | xoz: you mean old kernel? |
| 23:10.04 | thc | bob_123: did you update apt and then install xserver-xorg? |
| 23:10.05 | dondelelcaro | bob_123: see /topic |
| 23:10.05 | phogg | thespiritoftal: apt-cache show xserver-xorg | grep Conflicts yields Conflicts: libxfont-xtt, xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:10.11 | xoz | dli: nope, kernel.org |
| 23:10.18 | saik0 | After installing samba from packages it asked me for a Domain, and after messing around with smb.conf I changed it.I still see an empty domain on my network though o_O Is this an nmb thing or something thats located elsewhere?? |
| 23:10.19 | bob_123 | thc: yes i did apt-update and then apt-upgrade |
| 23:10.19 | dusk | thc: how do I enable it to work after reconfig? |
| 23:10.22 | dusk | thc: restart? |
| 23:10.23 | phogg | thespiritoftal: whoops. sorry, meant that for thc |
| 23:10.28 | thc | dusk: startx |
| 23:10.40 | thc | dusk: kill X first if you are already in it |
| 23:10.44 | xoz | dli: debian and other kernels have their own set of patches.. you may try the prestine kernel from kernel.org |
| 23:10.55 | dusk | thc: how do I logout to a command prompt? |
| 23:10.58 | thc | bob_123: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 23:11.31 | thc | bob_123: you don't need to run apt-get upgrade if you only added a new repository, update does the job |
| 23:11.33 | bob_123 | thc: so after upgrading i need other stuff too? what else beside the xserver-xorg? and isnt server-xorg with the xorg package which i just instaleled? |
| 23:11.37 | dli | xoz: the same error as in vanilla, I did try debian kernel, no luck |
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| 23:11.54 | thc | bob_123: xserver-xorg will grab all dependencies |
| 23:11.55 | chealer | bob_123: I'm sorry, I misleaded you |
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| 23:12.01 | meff | dondelelcaro: re: cd reading, http://lists.debian.org/cdwrite/2003/10/msg00009.html .. its old but i believe the bug still exists. |
| 23:12.13 | thc | dusk: Ctrl+Atl+Backspace |
| 23:12.16 | chealer | bob_123: the command you need to run after modifying your sources is apt-get update, not apt-get upgrade |
| 23:12.17 | yel | equested by ChanServ: "Forbidden Channel") <-- what do this mean ? |
| 23:12.32 | chealer | yel: freenode issue |
| 23:12.40 | bob_123 | chealer: but upfate will just refresh the package list but upgrade will actually install the new ones, no? |
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| 23:12.47 | xoz | dli: you can get mandrake kernel source and use kernel-package to debianize it. |
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| 23:13.02 | yel | chealer, whats the goal of that freenode issue ? |
| 23:13.19 | chealer | yel: it's a freenode problem |
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| 23:13.43 | dli | xoz: nice, good point :) |
| 23:13.45 | chealer | bob_123: no. update will refresh *and* fetch new sources list. upgrade shouldn't install new packages. apt-get install will |
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| 23:14.30 | xoz | dli: i use this also to try other kernels |
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| 23:14.48 | bob_123 | chealer: so what wil upgrade do? and why is this xorg asking me which is the default x server (xorg or xfree) , i thought xfree should have been removed |
| 23:15.02 | xoz | dli: just make sure you also get the included patches of mandrake |
| 23:15.07 | thc | bob_123: just select xorg |
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| 23:15.15 | sobersabre | dli, as an experiment i'd download the latest vanilla, and make-kpkg. make all 3 usb modules as modules, |
| 23:15.16 | chealer | bob_123: you don't need to use upgrade to install X.org. I misleaded you |
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| 23:15.29 | Frankablu | Why is this channel Forbidden? |
| 23:15.32 | bob_123 | chealer: i know, but im juts curious what will upgrade do :) |
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| 23:15.45 | sobersabre | dli, which debian are you on ? |
| 23:15.45 | chealer | bob_123: man apt-get |
| 23:15.47 | dli | sobersabre, I think something funny with my usb box :( |
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| 23:15.54 | dli | sobersabre, tried on testing and sarge |
| 23:15.59 | thc | bob_123: it does exactly what the word means, it upgrades packages to anything newer from your repositories in sources.list |
| 23:15.59 | Knorrie | Frankablu: it isn't, freenode had probs with an attack |
| 23:16.00 | dondelelcaro | meff: http://lists.debian.org/cdwrite/2003/10/msg00037.html ... |
| 23:16.01 | dli | sobersabre, I'm in gentoo right now |
| 23:16.05 | sobersabre | OK which kernels ? vanilla ? |
| 23:16.13 | xfoxx | isnt Xfree and Xorg the same thing?? |
| 23:16.14 | sobersabre | vanilla debian ? |
| 23:16.15 | xoz | dli: yep, you really wanna check the latest kernel.org first. mandrake may have uploaded their patches and accepted already in the upstream kernel. |
| 23:16.24 | thc | xfoxx: absolutely not |
| 23:16.32 | dli | sobersabre, I tried vanilla 2.6.13.4, debian kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 23:16.40 | chealer | xfoxx: no |
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| 23:16.51 | sobersabre | dli, which kernel config have you used ? |
| 23:16.52 | bob_123 | thc: ok thanks :) xorry i didnt read the man page, this xorg is doing osmething so i dont have a terminal |
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| 23:16.55 | dli | xoz: okay, 2.6.14-rc4 |
| 23:17.00 | xfoxx | then why one gets the config of the other?? |
| 23:17.12 | xoz | dli: or try andrew's kernel tree |
| 23:17.15 | xfoxx | and wich is more stable and better graphical exposer' |
| 23:17.21 | xfoxx | ? |
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| 23:17.35 | dli | sobersabre, http://riz-sage.uchicago.edu/config |
| 23:17.44 | dli | xoz: trying |
| 23:17.46 | xoz | dli: there's plenty of time to experiment :) |
| 23:17.48 | sobersabre | dli, I really don't like reading long files. |
| 23:17.49 | thc | xfoxx: if you need xorg, you would know. xfree86 still works fine for most users |
| 23:17.53 | eeyore-- | hmm. not a lot of users for #debian |
| 23:17.56 | eeyore-- | what happened? |
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| 23:18.19 | WaltWhitman | netsplit mania? |
| 23:18.21 | sobersabre | have you configured the kernel to have all 3 drivers as modules ? |
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| 23:18.31 | sobersabre | eeyore--, watch your tail. |
| 23:18.32 | sobersabre | :) |
| 23:18.45 | xoz | dli: or you can even get the image in mandrake and boot in debian... just keep your fingers crossed :) |
| 23:18.48 | vIkSiT | greeting |
| 23:18.51 | vIkSiT | greetings* |
| 23:18.56 | dondelelcaro | eeyore--: /topic... |
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| 23:19.33 | bob_123 | thc: now its asking what to do with the xsession config file, "install the package maintainers version or keep your currently installed version" |
| 23:19.37 | eeyore-- | dondelelcaro: which part? "ChanServ LIKES YOU"? |
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| 23:19.49 | Daveman | -_- |
| 23:19.52 | thc | bob_123: just hit enter, the defaults usually work |
| 23:20.11 | khanman_ | if you havent customized it then take the default |
| 23:20.18 | dli | xoz: I would like to get the mandrake kernel source :( |
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| 23:20.33 | meff | dondelelcaro: mmhmm interesting.. and you were right, joerg did bring this 'issue' up later on through the years.. i really shouldn't believe a word he says shouldn't i? ;) |
| 23:20.42 | sobersabre | dli, have you changed anything in .config or not ? |
| 23:20.55 | bob_123 | thc: wow i get a graphical desktop now, thanks to you and chealer so much |
| 23:21.01 | MrXerox | Does anyone have a XF86Config-4 they can send me? I dont know what the hell happened to mine...? |
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| 23:21.18 | dli | sobersabre, I added more usb options, but mostly the same |
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| 23:21.20 | xoz | dli: yeah. if you wanna save time. just copy mandrake's kernel in /boot and its modules in /lib/modules ... then configure grub. |
| 23:21.26 | chealer | MrXerox: why don't you generate one instead? |
| 23:21.27 | WaltWhitman | can someone tell me how to change the IP on eth0 to a static IP? |
| 23:21.28 | sobersabre | dli you have 1 driver built in, the rest are modules. THIS is BAD |
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| 23:21.31 | thc | MrXerox: chances of someone else's config working for you are slim to none |
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| 23:21.50 | MrXerox | chealer, It goes thru the whole config and never writes a file?! |
| 23:22.01 | [bman] | does any one have any information on plotters/engravers for linux? *ANY* information would be greatly appriciated. |
| 23:22.02 | dli | sobersabre, okay, I will make them all built-in |
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| 23:22.10 | chealer | MrXerox: try # dexconf |
| 23:22.13 | bob_123 | thc: by the way what do i have to have in my sources.list? i just have main, so i have to have security or osmething else? also when i do apt-get install emacs it says its not in the repository |
| 23:22.13 | khanman_ | mrxerox, you would need to have the same hardware as mine to use mine....have knoppix? boot off of that and then copy it over |
| 23:22.30 | scx | Hello, Quiz: is there some way to pop up an information window to remote machine connected in my network ? |
| 23:22.37 | resiak | So, who wants to suggest things I could look at to explain why my box works fine when first turned on, but swaps like a maniac after a few days of life with the exact same set of processes running? |
| 23:22.43 | thc | bob_123: you should have a security entry in there already |
| 23:22.44 | khanman_ | or does knoppix used xorg now?...hmm probably does |
| 23:22.45 | scx | I have a cyber caffe and want do pop up a window when someone reaches it's time |
| 23:22.45 | sobersabre | dli!!!! DONT |
| 23:22.48 | MrXerox | I never get a XF86Config-4 in my /etc/X11 after going thru the whole config |
| 23:22.52 | sobersabre | make them ALL modules! |
| 23:22.53 | sobersabre | :) |
| 23:22.56 | xoz | dli: no, make them as modules so that you can see the effect of modprobing each. |
| 23:23.06 | sobersabre | dli, you want to see which works for you. |
| 23:23.09 | dli | sobersabre, okay, but some can not be built as modules? |
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| 23:23.19 | thc | MrXerox: what command are you configuring with? |
| 23:23.25 | sobersabre | I mean ohci,uhci,ehci |
| 23:23.26 | [bman] | scx: check out nocatauth on google |
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| 23:23.36 | MrXerox | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:23.40 | sobersabre | they should all be able to be modules. |
| 23:23.48 | thc | MrXerox: and you have no XF86Config-4 file? |
| 23:23.52 | bob_123 | thc: im looking at it rght now and there is one stable main and one stable/updates main (the stable main has a deb-src too which i dunno what it is) |
| 23:23.53 | MrXerox | none |
| 23:23.58 | MrXerox | weird |
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| 23:24.07 | thc | bob_123: man sources.list |
| 23:24.20 | [bman] | scx: nocat.net |
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| 23:24.48 | scx | yes.... looks cool, but out of topic.... reading.... |
| 23:25.01 | thc | MrXerox: i suppose you could create a blank file and name it XF86Config-4 and then /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 23:25.01 | bob_123 | thc: thanks again, i guess i have ot add them myself |
| 23:25.08 | thc | no idea if that will work though |
| 23:25.18 | thc | no problem |
| 23:25.20 | [bman] | scx: otherwise... the answer is no. |
| 23:25.28 | chealer | MrXerox: try # dexconf |
| 23:25.31 | scx | [bman] :p |
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| 23:27.17 | [bman] | scx: if the client is known to be running windows; i may be wrong, but I think something like that comes with samba. But if you want this to be an automated thing, then you can't always assume the user is running windows. |
| 23:27.38 | scx | all Linux |
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| 23:27.51 | scx | SuSE, Debian and Ubuntu |
| 23:27.55 | thc | MrXerox: you could also try running 'xf86config', make sure it writes a file, and then /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 23:28.07 | scx | and running kde |
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| 23:28.33 | scx | all over a network, and I'm root in everyone |
| 23:29.00 | scx | maybe dialog ??? |
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| 23:29.45 | eeyore-- | bye! |
| 23:29.56 | MrXerox | Ill try those...thanks thc |
| 23:30.05 | thc | no problem |
| 23:30.30 | flora | ok so i did rsync -arvz remote.site:/ / --exclude=/dev, /sys, proc but some stuff like the hostname didn't copy over |
| 23:30.39 | flora | i guess cuz it was in use or something? |
| 23:30.39 | scx | what u said before may be done with kpopup maybe, but as less services running... better |
| 23:30.45 | flora | how do i do it so i get everything? |
| 23:30.49 | saik0 | Can somebody tell me what this line in intetd.cconf means and wherer or not it should remina commented for running a Samba PDC. #<off># netbios-ssn stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/smbd |
| 23:31.16 | saik0 | preety sure it's for running samba from inet instead of daemons |
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| 23:34.25 | ercin | have debian archive key changed? |
| 23:34.40 | scx | flora: maybe you'll like to use dd |
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| 23:35.22 | scx | flora: do u hyave a live cd at hand ? (knoppix) |
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| 23:35.39 | xfoxx | how do i know if i am working on Xorg?? |
| 23:35.54 | abrotman | X -version |
| 23:35.57 | sobersabre | scx, you can hack a little bit kopete. |
| 23:36.21 | scx | sobersabre: really nice idea you gave me |
| 23:36.28 | flora | scx: yes i sure do |
| 23:36.40 | flora | should i boot the source machine from that ? |
| 23:36.43 | xfoxx | and if i am still working on Xfree86 how do i change to Xorg? |
| 23:36.45 | sobersabre | scx, i don't know how time-pressured are you... |
| 23:36.50 | scx | I let them logged with jabber, and just send a message.... |
| 23:36.52 | flora | or should i boot both machines from cd?? |
| 23:37.07 | thc | xfoxx: do you have xserver-xorg installed? |
| 23:37.13 | xfoxx | thc, yes |
| 23:37.18 | sobersabre | scx, you can make them to be unable to write messages - only receive and confirm... |
| 23:37.27 | thc | xfoxx: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:37.30 | xfoxx | thc, or to be sure how do i get it?? |
| 23:37.33 | thc | xfoxx: you have to restart X |
| 23:37.43 | thc | dude, i just told two people what to do |
| 23:37.47 | sobersabre | scx, and it is also very easy to automate it.... |
| 23:37.50 | thc | i don't have the energy |
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| 23:38.03 | scx | flora: follow this if you unbderstan it: http://pastebin.com/394027 |
| 23:38.06 | thc | xfoxx: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
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| 23:38.25 | elfredo | !tell elfredo about swap |
| 23:38.33 | scx | sobersabre: I' gonna use konversation (irc) |
| 23:38.35 | gravity | elfredo: /msg dpkg swap (or anything else) |
| 23:38.45 | bob_123 | thc: i just used netselect-apt stable to generate a sources.list file for me and still there is no security in there, its just stable main and stable/NON-US |
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| 23:39.00 | thc | netselect who? |
| 23:39.01 | scx | sobersabre: :p and instead of a popo up... abeauty OSD message... |
| 23:39.08 | thc | bob_123: apt-setup |
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| 23:39.20 | flora | scx: i think i'm too dumb to understand that :) |
| 23:39.44 | bob_123 | thc: if i play around with the sources.list i have to put those xorg mirrors back rght? |
| 23:39.59 | scx | flora: u wanna copy a remote HD right? |
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| 23:40.06 | flora | yes sir |
| 23:40.09 | sobersabre | scx, good point.... |
| 23:40.11 | thc | bob_123: once you succeed in installing xorg you can either comment those repos or take them out |
| 23:40.14 | thc | it's up to you |
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| 23:40.26 | MrXerox | Whats the package for X called? |
| 23:40.36 | [bman] | flora: partimage |
| 23:40.36 | gravity | MrXerox: x-window-system |
| 23:40.38 | scx | where do you have the original HD (the one you wanna clone) |
| 23:40.41 | bob_123 | thc: thanks , and whats the non-US source? hy shoudl a mirror be non-US? |
| 23:40.44 | MrXerox | tks |
| 23:40.55 | thc | bob_123: /topic |
| 23:41.17 | flora | scx: in the other room, its a web server |
| 23:41.21 | gravity | No, if you install xorg from unofficial repos and you want to keep it you should leave those sources in |
| 23:41.35 | gravity | You'll want whatever updates they provide |
| 23:41.46 | thc | gravity: you're supposed to keep backport repos in there? |
| 23:41.53 | gravity | thc: Yes |
| 23:42.00 | thc | i didn't know that heh |
| 23:42.03 | gravity | thc: Unless you want to stop using those backports |
| 23:42.08 | scx | flora: which HD is it ? hda hdb hdc,..... i.e. can you umount it ? |
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| 23:42.10 | thc | but then again i've only used backports once |
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| 23:42.14 | bob_123 | thc: i got it thanks |
| 23:42.30 | scx | flora: or at least do not use it by a while |
| 23:42.36 | mrwill | flora: you could try 'dump' to make a copy, this is how I make backups. |
| 23:42.37 | flora | scx: it's the boot drive, sda |
| 23:42.41 | mrwill | flora '/sbin/dump -0uan -f - / | gzip | ssh -c blowfish you@remotehostname dd of=filename.gz' |
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| 23:42.59 | gravity | hrm... epiphany is significantly faster than firefox |
| 23:43.02 | mrwill | flora: that is the command that is executed on the machine I want backed up. |
| 23:43.06 | gravity | I think I may have to keep using it for a whiel |
| 23:43.08 | gravity | while even |
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| 23:43.19 | flora | mrwill: does that work while the machine is running? |
| 23:43.25 | caphuso | gravity: that's not difficult to be faster than firefox |
| 23:43.50 | mrwill | flora: yes. |
| 23:43.53 | scx | flora: I don't know if this works with an "in use" hd |
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| 23:44.00 | gravity | caphuso: Sadly true, although I remember back in the day... |
| 23:44.16 | caphuso | gravity: when it was even slower? |
| 23:44.25 | mrwill | flora: otherwise, I couldn't do it... the machine has to be up all the time. |
| 23:44.27 | flora | scx: i could boot the web server off knoppix cd |
| 23:44.31 | gravity | heh |
| 23:44.32 | sly007 | I wrote workgroup=main in smb.conf but smbclient -L myhostname gives Domain=[SYLV1] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 3.0.14a] before listing the shares, SYLV1 is my hostname. How to solve that problem? |
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| 23:44.46 | flora | mrwill: i'll check it out.. that cmd looked pretty intense for me |
| 23:44.49 | flora | (can you tell i'm green?) |
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| 23:45.34 | mrwill | flora: it's not so hard, it tells dump to output to stdin, then pipes that to gzip, then pipes that to ssh, which connects to the remote machine and pipes it to dd, which creates the output file. |
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| 23:45.58 | SPT1 | i'm trying to mount my flashdrive but i don't have a /dev/sda* or /dev/sdb* so i can't mount it. |
| 23:46.05 | flora | mrwill: then how do you restore the ouput file? |
| 23:46.26 | mrwill | flora: you gunzip it, then use 'restore' command |
| 23:47.13 | mrwill | flora: restore -i is my favorite, lets you navigate through the files like a shell and mark which ones you want to extract from the archive. |
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| 23:49.04 | TwistedEmotions | If I were to run a VNC Server software... how much more vulnerable is my machine then just if I was to allow SSH access? |
| 23:49.05 | fbi | friday night whoooop whooooop time for many beers. |
| 23:49.32 | danieldg | TwistedEmotions: restrict it to localhost and tunnel the connection through ssh |
| 23:49.47 | win | i have an old toshiba t8200 with wireless built, when i start installing debian it finds the card but it is not finding it after i finished installing |
| 23:49.49 | mrwill | TwistedEmotions: about 37% more vulnerable, I'd say. although, 0% if tunneled, so do that. |
| 23:50.02 | TwistedEmotions | danieldg: Errr... I didnt even know that was possible.. |
| 23:50.23 | TwistedEmotions | mrwill: 37% is unacceptable : ) ... ur funny ;) |
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| 23:50.57 | danieldg | TwistedEmotions: -L 5900:localhost:5900 |
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| 23:51.11 | [bman] | mrwill: 0% in theory. maybe some autistic kid can hack blowfish. |
| 23:51.25 | [bman] | jj ;) |
| 23:51.38 | mrwill | [bman]: 0% more than just ssh, then. |
| 23:51.47 | [bman] | lol, true |
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| 23:52.02 | mrwill | [bman]: I live in fear of that autistic kid. |
| 23:52.06 | [bman] | haha |
| 23:52.08 | win | is there any command that i can use to probe my wireless card? |
| 23:52.09 | [bman] | me 2 |
| 23:52.11 | jhenn | geeze what happen to this channel? |
| 23:52.29 | mrwill | jhenn: does seem a bit depopulated, doesn't it? |
| 23:52.40 | jhenn | mrwill: um, yah! |
| 23:52.49 | mrwill | jhenn: think some kind of issue with the network caused all the idlers to disconnect. |
| 23:53.17 | danieldg | no, it was a password compromise on one of the staffers |
| 23:53.23 | jhenn | mrwill: oh. well i haven't been here for a while so i was wondering if debian just lost a lot of users or something. |
| 23:53.31 | mrwill | danieldg: and that is not an issue with the freenode network? |
| 23:53.39 | danieldg | see the global notices |
| 23:53.53 | jhenn | well i do have a question... |
| 23:54.04 | sly007 | I wrote workgroup=main in smb.conf but smbclient -L myhostname gives Domain=[SYLV1] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 3.0.14a] before listing the shares, SYLV1 is my hostname. How to solve that problem? |
| 23:54.08 | jhenn | is non-free allowed in the us or not allowed, i was confused on that |
| 23:54.22 | jhenn | woops i mean non-us |
| 23:54.24 | TwistedEmotions | danieldg: vnc4server a useable program? |
| 23:54.29 | mrwill | jhenn: I don't think non-us exists any more. |
| 23:54.43 | jhenn | mrwill: the site has it listed |
| 23:54.44 | mrwill | jhenn: They got rid of it with sarge, if I understand right. |
| 23:54.49 | danieldg | TwistedEmotions: don't know, haven't used it |
| 23:54.50 | jhenn | mrwill: as a category |
| 23:55.01 | WaltWhitman | I am having a problem with installing Debian can anyone help me out please? |
| 23:55.05 | caphuso | jhenn: it's still gone |
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| 23:55.15 | TwistedEmotions | danieldg: then what do you use for vnc... ? -L 5900:localhost:5900 |
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| 23:55.32 | mrwill | TwistedEmotions: those are the flags you give to the ssh command to make the tunnel, man ssh |
| 23:55.46 | danieldg | TwistedEmotions: that's the command added on to ssh, I use tightvncserver for the vnc server |
| 23:55.55 | jhenn | mrwill: well someone should update the page |
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| 23:56.39 | mrwill | jhenn: well, it probably still exists for woody, just not sarge. This may well be unclear on the site. |
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| 23:56.57 | WaltWhitman | Can anyone help - it'll will take 2 seconds and I will be really grateful |
| 23:57.14 | mrwill | WaltWhitman: just ask your real question, this channel is full of people who can help. |
| 23:57.20 | WaltWhitman | ok |
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| 23:57.52 | TwistedEmotions | danieldg: How did you config tightvnc to only allow local host access? |
| 23:57.56 | david55038 | Hi I am having a problem with Debian. Essentially, grub will not boot windows |
| 23:58.13 | [bman] | does anyone else use syslog-ng? When syslog-ng stops|starts|restarts it dumps everything logged from boot to the screen. |
| 23:58.14 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: how come you keep adding/removing OP access? Why don't you just leave it on? |
| 23:58.16 | WaltWhitman | I'm installing sarge and after rebooting it tries to connect to ftp.uk.mirror.etc on 1.0.0.0 |
| 23:58.24 | danieldg | TwistedEmotions: I just used a firewall, but I think there's an option somewhere |
| 23:58.43 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: FN policy, and for the most part it makes sense. We only op when we need it. |
| 23:58.48 | WaltWhitman | on the first boot it obtained the correct IP I'm not sure why it is trying to connect to 1.0.0.0 |
| 23:59.06 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: Ahh kk ;) |
| 23:59.14 | WaltWhitman | It has been scrolling error timeout etc... |
| 23:59.23 | scx | sobersabre: did konversation run hiden, and then just create users for each machine, ... I send a message to one of them, and it's received,.....technically an ugly solution,... but man,... it was done in 10 min.... :D |
| 23:59.36 | mrwill | WaltWhitman: is the network interface working? |
| 23:59.53 | WaltWhitman | yes I'm talking of a connection on the same switch |
