| 00:00.07 | Spiritory | anybody please : ( |
| 00:00.13 | Drakh_ | marstewel i know that |
| 00:00.13 | ke6isf | !tell marstewel -about msg the bot |
| 00:00.21 | gammal | ke6isf, snd -> and |
| 00:00.30 | ke6isf | marstewel: Shoot, sorry. |
| 00:00.32 | Drakh_ | i want to know what 3, 4, and 5 are actually used for |
| 00:00.42 | marstewel | ke6isf: wtf ;) |
| 00:00.48 | azeem | Drakh_: that is up to the admin |
| 00:00.52 | Tortel | anyone? |
| 00:00.57 | azeem | Debian considers them all equal |
| 00:01.02 | EdLin | Drakh_: the default is that they are all the same |
| 00:01.03 | Drakh_ | azeem i take it by default they are not used then? |
| 00:01.06 | Tortel | what is wrong with my etc/fstab http://channels.debian.net/paste/915 |
| 00:01.14 | azeem | Drakh_: what do you mean with "used"? |
| 00:01.18 | Drakh_ | because in inittab the system goes into run level 2 |
| 00:01.20 | petemc | Drakh_: zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz |
| 00:01.22 | azeem | yes |
| 00:01.37 | Drakh_ | when does the system go into 3, 4, and 5, by default |
| 00:01.39 | Drakh_ | and why |
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| 00:01.42 | azeem | it doesn't |
| 00:01.43 | petemc | ... |
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| 00:01.50 | g | hey |
| 00:01.51 | Drakh_ | sorry I haven't had to play with these before, I've just added stuff to rc.local |
| 00:01.52 | g | that didnt really work.. |
| 00:01.55 | azeem | you can configure them differently and then enter that runlevel yourself |
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| 00:02.04 | iamshtitha | isnt there an easier way of setting the resolution |
| 00:02.07 | Drakh_ | I see, I see |
| 00:02.10 | iamshtitha | some colorful config tool? |
| 00:02.18 | marstewel | iamshtitha: XF86Config ? |
| 00:02.18 | ke6isf | gammal: The DNS howto over on linuxdoc.org can probably help you. Other than that, I recommend O'Reilly's "DNS and BIND". |
| 00:02.32 | iamshtitha | marstewel, that's what didnt work |
| 00:02.44 | azeem | gnome-display-properties? |
| 00:02.48 | petemc | a default bind9 install works as a forwarder |
| 00:02.50 | iamshtitha | I dont have gnome |
| 00:02.59 | iamshtitha | I have xfce |
| 00:03.04 | gammal | ke6isf, i'll check it out..thanks |
| 00:03.13 | LightVision | whats the most popular and powerful html editor for Debian? |
| 00:03.28 | Drakh_ | vi |
| 00:03.30 | Drakh_ | :> |
| 00:03.31 | ke6isf | LightVision: emacs. |
| 00:03.33 | ke6isf | =^_^= |
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| 00:03.42 | websae | anyone here running samba? |
| 00:03.46 | LightVision | ke6isf: hehe ok :P |
| 00:03.47 | ke6isf | !anyone |
| 00:03.47 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:03.53 | Drakh_ | lol ke |
| 00:03.54 | abrotman | bluefish |
| 00:03.58 | Drakh_ | you love that !anyone don't you |
| 00:03.59 | abrotman | !info bluefish |
| 00:04.01 | dpkg | bluefish: (advanced Gtk+ HTML editor), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1501 kB, Installed size: 6464 kB |
| 00:04.09 | LightVision | ke6isf: let me rephrase it :) what the most popular and powerful gui html editor for Debian? :) |
| 00:04.11 | websae | Samba users here for debian? |
| 00:04.13 | Tortel | damnit, someone offer any advice |
| 00:04.14 | Tortel | http://channels.debian.net/paste/915 |
| 00:04.16 | Tortel | on that |
| 00:04.21 | Tortel | last line isnt working |
| 00:04.27 | azeem | websae: sure there are, but do you have any specific questions? |
| 00:04.29 | websae | trying to figure out how to access my share---never seem to have the right username and password |
| 00:04.34 | websae | azeem: yes i do |
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| 00:04.38 | ke6isf | !tell Tortel about repeat |
| 00:04.42 | iamshtitha | cant I just force a screen res somehow? |
| 00:04.49 | abrotman | Tortel: errors are good |
| 00:05.09 | petemc | Tortel: umask=022 |
| 00:05.09 | websae | on my windows box i can not access the samba server because i never have the right username and password |
| 00:05.11 | websae | :( |
| 00:05.18 | abrotman | !ro-ntfs |
| 00:05.18 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 00:05.39 | jim | LightVision: you might look into openacs, perhaps the most powerful web app toolkit out there... |
| 00:05.41 | petemc | !factinfo ro-ntfs |
| 00:05.41 | dpkg | ro-ntfs -- last modified at Thu Jun 30 10:03:53 2005 by jetx!~jetx@adsl-64-219-216-41.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net; it has been requested 49 times, last by abrotman, 23s ago. |
| 00:05.43 | websae | azeem: any ideas? |
| 00:05.47 | petemc | bzzt |
| 00:05.55 | petemc | umask=022 is all you need |
| 00:05.56 | websae | or anybody for that matter tha tuses samba? |
| 00:06.03 | Tortel | thankyou |
| 00:06.04 | Tortel | :) |
| 00:06.08 | jim | LightVision: it would involve fairly steep learning curve |
| 00:06.10 | abrotman | petemc: change it ? |
| 00:06.15 | petemc | cba |
| 00:06.29 | abrotman | !petemcsmite petemc |
| 00:06.34 | LightVision | jim: ok openacs |
| 00:06.35 | petemc | dpkg: forget ro-ntfs |
| 00:06.35 | dpkg | petemc: i forgot ro-ntfs |
| 00:06.49 | petemc | dpkg: ro-ntfs is add umask=022 |
| 00:06.49 | dpkg | okay, petemc |
| 00:06.54 | nodus | i have a ibm t20 debian testing stock 2.4.27 kernel splashy 1.4 svn16 |
| 00:06.54 | nodus | s3 savige videocard vga=0x318 set in menu.1st i am getting this error |
| 00:06.54 | nodus | on sudo splashy test |
| 00:06.54 | nodus | FATAL: video.c <397>: |
| 00:06.54 | nodus | (#) DirectFBError [video->dfb->CreateSurface( video->dfb, &video->desc, |
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| 00:07.03 | jim | LightVision: take a look at photo.net |
| 00:07.03 | LightVision | jim: it says Package openacs is not available, |
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| 00:07.14 | jim | it's not packaged |
| 00:07.19 | nodus | i dont want to have to compile a kernel because then i have to |
| 00:07.21 | abrotman | !info bluefish sarge |
| 00:07.21 | nodus | recompile pcmcia-cs for the rest of time so i haven tested it |
| 00:07.25 | LightVision | jim: so why recommend it? :) |
| 00:07.29 | dpkg | bluefish: (advanced Gtk+ HTML editor), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1348 kB, Installed size: 5968 kB |
| 00:07.55 | jim | because for one it's been tested since about 1998 or earlier |
| 00:08.07 | jim | the data model is very stable |
| 00:08.14 | LightVision | jim: yeah but its not available for sarge |
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| 00:08.36 | iRising|CraZy | help |
| 00:08.38 | jim | you can install or build the necessary underpinning pieces |
| 00:08.38 | LightVision | im downloading bluefish |
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| 00:08.57 | LightVision | jim: im too new to know how |
| 00:09.01 | iRising|CraZy | hey can someone help me with installing debian? |
| 00:09.06 | abrotman | iRising|CraZy: just ask |
| 00:09.07 | iRising|CraZy | its taking forever to partiton |
| 00:09.13 | LightVision | jim: i dont know what underpinning pieces means :P |
| 00:09.16 | iRising|CraZy | i started an hour ago and its only at 4% |
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| 00:09.16 | abrotman | how big is the partition ? |
| 00:09.20 | iRising|CraZy | like |
| 00:09.23 | SammyTheSnake | is it possible to fake the access times of files on a mounted filesystem? |
| 00:09.29 | marstewel | jim: mixing releases is not good... |
| 00:09.29 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: yes |
| 00:09.30 | iRising|CraZy | 2.5 #6logical for swap |
| 00:09.32 | jim | LightVision: oh, that's "the stuff you need" |
| 00:09.33 | LightVision | iRising|CraZy: faulty CD? |
| 00:09.34 | petemc | SammyTheSnake: anything is possibe |
| 00:09.34 | iRising|CraZy | and 77.5 for home |
| 00:09.35 | SammyTheSnake | bum |
| 00:09.37 | petemc | gah |
| 00:09.50 | LightVision | jim: ok |
| 00:09.50 | jim | marstewel: I'm not suggesting that... |
| 00:09.56 | iRising|CraZy | so how long do you think that should take? |
| 00:10.04 | LightVision | jim: im downloading bluefish, ill try that! its apt-get available |
| 00:10.04 | abrotman | not an hour |
| 00:10.10 | iRising|CraZy | damnit. |
| 00:10.11 | lakcaj | terrencevak: yeah, if you've got a mixed system now, I would just change all the entries to etch or testing, then apt-get update, apt-get install apt, and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 00:10.17 | SammyTheSnake | petemc: how about finding out what access a naughty script kiddie managed to get to my machine? |
| 00:10.18 | thc | iRising|CraZy: my 200 gig drive took about 90 seconds to create an ext3 partition |
| 00:10.18 | LightVision | iRising|CraZy: not that long! it seems its stuck on the CD |
| 00:10.19 | marstewel | I didnt follow the discussion in detail, sorry then ;) |
| 00:10.21 | jim | LightVision: just tell me this... are you interested in building sites like scorecard.org or photo.net |
| 00:10.24 | iRising|CraZy | what do you think is wrong? |
| 00:10.25 | petemc | iRising|CraZy: it shouldnt take long, you can see what its doing by switching vt's, alt and 4 |
| 00:10.31 | LightVision | iRising|CraZy: read error on CD? |
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| 00:10.39 | iRising|CraZy | no no error on cd |
| 00:10.43 | iRising|CraZy | h/o |
| 00:10.44 | abrotman | or the drive is fucked |
| 00:10.47 | dbw | anybody here use a slavic language? |
| 00:10.50 | petemc | SammyTheSnake: in that case, you cant trust anything, |
| 00:11.02 | iRising|CraZy | now its 5% |
| 00:11.07 | EdLin | !ru |
| 00:11.08 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 00:11.11 | iRising|CraZy | and i hit alt4 not nothing happened. |
| 00:11.12 | LightVision | jim: no, I already have a website built for me! Want a good gui html editor to update etc |
| 00:11.12 | SammyTheSnake | petemc: given that I don't have any choice, what can I do to get clues? |
| 00:11.29 | Tortel | !tell me about hi |
| 00:11.31 | dbw | thanks |
| 00:11.35 | iRising|CraZy | also, i selected completly erase Hard drive and desktop machine scheme |
| 00:11.40 | iRising|CraZy | if that helps at all |
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| 00:11.43 | Dasnipa` | is your hard drive like a 100 rpm hard drive from the 70's? |
| 00:11.47 | petemc | SammyTheSnake: i may be wrong about the vt number, try alt + 1-10 |
| 00:11.59 | iRising|CraZy | no, its a seagate 7000rpm 80gb |
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| 00:12.13 | Dasnipa` | really shouldnt take too long at all |
| 00:12.16 | petemc | SammyTheSnake: debsums |
| 00:12.21 | Dasnipa` | under a min for most setups |
| 00:12.23 | thc | iRising|CraZy: what kind of partition table are you creating, and what filesystem are you using |
| 00:12.28 | iRising|CraZy | the filiging system is like ext3 |
| 00:12.29 | iRising|CraZy | h/o |
| 00:12.30 | iRising|CraZy | lemme check |
| 00:12.35 | dasunt | I have a neomagic video card with composite TV out (in a gateway solo 2500). Where should I start looking for information to configure TV out? |
| 00:12.36 | petemc | SammyTheSnake: the previous message was for iRising|CraZy |
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| 00:13.02 | petemc | dasunt: the chipset, lspci |
| 00:13.02 | iRising|CraZy | ext filing system for / in partition one |
| 00:13.18 | SammyTheSnake | petemc: I figured |
| 00:13.30 | iRising|CraZy | lemme do that alt + 1 - 10 thing |
| 00:13.31 | petemc | few drinks, it is sunday.. |
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| 00:13.38 | dasunt | 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2160 [MagicGraph 128XD] (rev 01) |
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| 00:13.47 | thc | few? i been drinkin' beers all day! |
| 00:13.51 | petemc | dasunt: that, and google |
| 00:14.06 | thc | actually i've been getting beers delivered to me, along with a giant plate of chicken and rice |
| 00:14.11 | dbw | debian-cesky |
| 00:14.21 | iRising|CraZy | ext filing system for / in partition #1 for IDE5 master (hde) |
| 00:14.22 | dbw | !cz |
| 00:14.23 | dpkg | well, cz is Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 00:14.23 | dasunt | Okay. |
| 00:14.25 | iRising|CraZy | is exactly what it says |
| 00:14.35 | iRising|CraZy | held alt and pressed 1 - 10 and nothing showed up |
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| 00:15.11 | thc | iRising|CraZy: have you killed the install and tried reintsalling yet? |
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| 00:15.15 | thc | just for shits and giggles |
| 00:15.20 | iRising|CraZy | yeah |
| 00:15.28 | petemc | iRising|CraZy: im confident on of the vts will show you what the installer is doing, you could always restart the install |
| 00:15.30 | iRising|CraZy | and it always takes about 10-20 min to open the partitioner |
| 00:15.39 | nodus | SO i am haveing a problem with splashy. I have a ibm t20 with debian testing, stock kernel, splashy 1.5 svn16, Savage s3 video,vesafb, savagefb not compiled, vga=0x318 set in menu.1st . I am getting the following error when i run splashy test FATAL: video.c <397: DirectFBError [video->dfb->CreateSurface(video->dfb, &video->desc, &video->surface)]: Not supported! both /proc/fb and /proc/cmdline exsit and are correct the fifo (in /et |
| 00:15.39 | nodus | c/splashy) is there and looks fine to me |
| 00:15.48 | iRising|CraZy | no thanks, ive done it 3 times laready. |
| 00:16.23 | iRising|CraZy | how do i make it show the vts? |
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| 00:16.37 | petemc | atl + number |
| 00:16.41 | petemc | alt |
| 00:16.43 | iRising|CraZy | damnit |
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| 00:16.47 | iRising|CraZy | nothings showing up |
| 00:16.50 | iRising|CraZy | if i press any # |
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| 00:17.01 | iRising|CraZy | but its working really slow because my temp is like 87 F |
| 00:17.04 | shad0w1e | how do I change my box's name on the network? |
| 00:17.06 | petemc | are you using the official installer? |
| 00:17.18 | jades | anyone know of a url that has cool png's for the login window or root desktop background? |
| 00:17.32 | thc | shad0w1e: hostname; /etc/hosts; /etc/hostname |
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| 00:17.37 | iRising|CraZy | i think i am |
| 00:17.37 | nodus | nano /etc/hosts (first line) and nano /etc/init.d/hostname |
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| 00:17.46 | terrencevak | lakcaj: OK, that's where I was going wrong; I didn't do the apt-get install or apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 00:17.47 | iRising|CraZy | i got it from the debian website |
| 00:18.55 | petemc | editing the hosts file is only good for local lookups.. |
| 00:19.04 | thc | iRising|CraZy: you are sure you grabbed a Sarge iso? |
| 00:19.22 | thc | petemc: yeah, but i always edit that too uot of habit heh |
| 00:19.28 | thc | s/uot/out/ |
| 00:19.43 | shad0w1e | thc, all three of those, or any one of those? |
| 00:19.55 | terrencevak | I edited my /etc/hostname file, but it still shows my old hostname. |
| 00:19.58 | thc | shad0w1e: 'hostname' is a command, the other two are files. |
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| 00:20.10 | shad0w1e | gotit |
| 00:20.13 | iRising|CraZy | ok im back |
| 00:20.15 | shad0w1e | does it require a reboot? |
| 00:20.16 | iRising|CraZy | sorry i got kicked |
| 00:20.17 | iRising|CraZy | but anyways |
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| 00:20.28 | iRising|CraZy | i dled from http |
| 00:20.30 | thc | shad0w1e: i believe you can just log out and back in |
| 00:20.33 | iRising|CraZy | and went into the current folder |
| 00:20.36 | shad0w1e | thc, thanks will try! |
| 00:20.37 | shad0w1e | cya |
| 00:20.38 | Puppster | hi, how do i report a broken package in debian unstable? |
| 00:20.40 | petemc | no need |
| 00:20.46 | gravity | Puppster: reportbug |
| 00:20.54 | iRising|CraZy | and then dled the one for i863 or w/e the arch is |
| 00:21.08 | websae | any samba-ers in here? |
| 00:21.13 | websae | looking for some help with samba on debian |
| 00:21.20 | terrencevak | Cool; that hostname command fixed my hostname. Thanks for bringing it up, guys. |
| 00:21.31 | websae | getting it so my windows pc authenticates to the share---i am in my network neighboring |
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| 00:21.58 | iRising|CraZy | guess no one is here anymore. |
| 00:21.59 | iRising|CraZy | :-/ |
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| 00:22.01 | Puppster | thanks |
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| 00:22.36 | iRising|CraZy | anyone? |
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| 00:22.54 | terrencevak | OK, logging off to make some phone calls. Catch ya all later. |
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| 00:23.35 | LightVision | everytime I try to restart apache. it says: shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory. Any fix for this please? |
| 00:23.41 | dcom | I'M A GNAA MEMBER |
| 00:23.49 | shad0w1e | crap. none of this is helping. my computer still isnt recognized on the network by hostname!! |
| 00:23.50 | thc | iRising|CraZy: i'd download the iso again and burn a new cd, just for the hell of it |
| 00:23.58 | thc | doesn't take long |
| 00:23.58 | LightVision | dcom: I ear GNAA members for breakfast |
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| 00:24.15 | iRising|CraZy | damnit. |
| 00:24.18 | iRising|CraZy | this is fucking gay |
| 00:24.21 | thc | ircname : Teh Faggotry |
| 00:24.22 | iRising|CraZy | it just moved to 7% |
| 00:24.23 | thc | haha wtf |
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| 00:24.48 | iRising|CraZy | imma keep it up till it fully partitions and installs everything |
| 00:24.51 | gravity | Wow, that was awesome |
| 00:24.53 | bluefox83 | are there any kernel binaries that have been compiled with the latest gcc compiler ? |
| 00:24.57 | iRising|CraZy | because it would be a waste if i dont go through with it now. |
| 00:25.04 | thc | gravity: what was |
| 00:25.04 | petemc | LightVision: that usually means you're in a directory you have deleted by some means |
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| 00:25.34 | LightVision | petemc: yeah, you were right :P hehe |
| 00:25.40 | iRising|CraZy | thc, where did you dl debian from? |
| 00:25.41 | LightVision | petemc: thanks ;) |
| 00:25.51 | petemc | np |
| 00:25.51 | jim | iRising|CraZy: so are you glad it's gay? because then you'll have a companion for the evening? |
| 00:26.08 | iRising|CraZy | yes, basically |
| 00:26.12 | iRising|CraZy | the simpsons arent on |
| 00:26.15 | iRising|CraZy | fucking baseball |
| 00:26.20 | petemc | indeed |
| 00:26.20 | thc | iRising|CraZy: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 00:26.27 | petemc | no familt guy for 3 weeks |
| 00:26.32 | petemc | family |
| 00:26.44 | thc | grab the official stable image for your architecture |
| 00:26.50 | iRising|CraZy | wtf why netinstall? |
| 00:26.56 | iRising|CraZy | o well |
| 00:27.08 | LightVision | petemc: you related to peterS? |
| 00:27.15 | thc | iRising|CraZy: it's a minimal image that only installs what is needed to get the rest of the packages over a network |
| 00:27.23 | iRising|CraZy | oh ok |
| 00:27.24 | iRising|CraZy | Official netinst images for the "stable" releas |
| 00:27.26 | iRising|CraZy | get that righ? |
| 00:27.30 | thc | yes |
| 00:27.33 | petemc | LightVision: no, we often get each others messages tho, nick completion gone mad |
| 00:27.45 | bluefox83 | how do i find out what the latest available kernel in apt was compiled with? |
| 00:27.50 | CaT_MaN|away | hello ppl. I have a problem with bash command 'ls'. When I type ls -n -C -l -X -R --full-time /mnt/hdd/debian/, I've seen the directories and files and subdirecotries as well, but when I have smal files with smal light.. the colums of my results are shifed |
| 00:27.56 | iRising|CraZy | and i have an amd64 bit |
| 00:28.01 | iRising|CraZy | so i need the i386 |
| 00:28.04 | iRising|CraZy | correct? |
| 00:28.13 | LightVision | petemc: you seemed tuned into and as clever as peterS :) |
| 00:28.27 | marstewel | heh |
| 00:28.33 | jim | CaT_MaN|away: why is that a problem? |
| 00:28.35 | petemc | LightVision: not quite, peterS is a smart motherfucker |
| 00:28.42 | thc | iRising|CraZy: should work, then you can later install an optimized kernel (i could be wrong on that) |
| 00:28.57 | r3gii | im install pidentd but still cant connect to DALnet IRCnet... |
| 00:28.58 | CaT_MaN|away | jim: because, I use and script for file indexing |
| 00:29.09 | iRising|CraZy | whats an optimized kernel? |
| 00:29.13 | CaT_MaN|away | and my regec dont work as well |
| 00:29.14 | Guerin | LightVision: so, have you decided whether you're male or female yet? |
| 00:29.20 | jim | CaT_MaN|away: then your script would have to take that into account... |
| 00:29.26 | thc | iRising|CraZy: a kernel that has been compiled for your specific cpu |
| 00:29.31 | marstewel | iRising|CraZy: built specifically for your hardware |
| 00:29.35 | Guerin | r3gii: lucky for you |
| 00:29.36 | iRising|CraZy | oh. |
| 00:29.38 | iRising|CraZy | damn |
| 00:29.41 | marstewel | thc: not only cpu |
| 00:29.43 | r3gii | ? |
| 00:29.46 | CaT_MaN|away | jib: but on redhat its work |
| 00:29.52 | r3gii | Guerian why? |
| 00:29.53 | thc | marstewel: i don't want to confuse him heh |
| 00:30.02 | marstewel | thc: ah okay its fine then ;) |
| 00:30.05 | iRising|CraZy | is there a way i can get debian to recognize my nVidia Gigabit |
| 00:30.08 | thc | marstewel: the 386 should get him up and running though, yes? |
| 00:30.15 | jim | CaT_MaN|away: heyyy, you just solved your problem! run redhat! |
| 00:30.18 | marstewel | heh |
| 00:30.24 | iRising|CraZy | i know enough about hardware to talk to anyone fluently |
| 00:30.28 | iRising|CraZy | just nothing about software |
| 00:30.29 | CaT_MaN|away | jim: I dont want to run redhat |
| 00:30.30 | iRising|CraZy | especially linux |
| 00:30.33 | CaT_MaN|away | i want debian |
| 00:30.38 | jim | CaT_MaN|away: then your script would have to take that into account... |
| 00:30.43 | LightVision | petemc: ok, no need to swear now |
| 00:30.57 | petemc | LightVision: welcome to the real world |
| 00:30.58 | CaT_MaN|away | jim, your solution is most supped which I've ever read |
| 00:31.10 | marstewel | lol |
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| 00:31.35 | iRising|CraZy | well thanks for the help.. |
| 00:31.37 | jim | CaT_MaN|away: why? I'm only suggesting that you run what you want/need to |
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| 00:31.59 | CaT_MaN|away | this is like .. some option on command ls |
| 00:32.10 | jim | so... man ls :) |
| 00:32.12 | CaT_MaN|away | which is not turned on |
| 00:32.13 | LightVision | petemc: no thanks, not everyone swears out of 6.5 billion people on Earth. ususally the only people that use such words are those from poverty suburbs, housing commision, criminals, and bronx. |
| 00:32.21 | CaT_MaN|away | yes.. i've read it .. but noting |
| 00:32.26 | Guerin | LightVision: wtf... |
| 00:32.36 | jim | not turned on at build time? |
| 00:32.42 | petemc | LightVision: a popular misconception |
| 00:32.44 | Guerin | LightVision: you're full of shit |
| 00:32.53 | thc | LightVision: are you a girl again yet? i'm kinda horny. |
| 00:32.59 | LightVision | petemc: well educated and professional people with any higher education wont use such filth! |
| 00:33.01 | Guerin | and for the record, I don't fit any of the above criteria |
| 00:33.02 | marstewel | lol thc |
| 00:33.16 | petemc | LightVision: give it up |
| 00:33.28 | Guerin | LightVision: spoken like someonw with no education or profession |
| 00:33.30 | marstewel | LightVision: what do you consider well educated ? |
| 00:33.42 | CaT_MaN|away | jim, when I list a direcotry.. the colum structer depends of how many are big files on the directory |
| 00:33.43 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 00:33.50 | Guerin | LightVision is a psychologist |
| 00:33.52 | CaT_MaN|away | I just want to turn off this depending |
| 00:33.56 | Guerin | he/she MUST know |
| 00:34.02 | LightVision | petemc: i read about a study on people in prisons. and they found the people in prison who were the most violent were those with a low vocabulary and swore using such words. Yet they found the people in prison who were not violent, never swore. |
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| 00:34.04 | thc | Guerin: please, don't make bber come out of my nose again. |
| 00:34.10 | thc | s/bber/beer/ |
| 00:34.11 | marstewel | CaT_MaN|away: you want to make use of ls -l ? |
| 00:34.22 | jim | CaT_MaN|away: would be better to adjust your script |
| 00:34.38 | CaT_MaN|away | marstewel, ls -n -C -l -X -R --full-time /mnt/hdd/debian/ |
| 00:34.39 | LightVision | petemc: you can tell a lot about a person, their financial status etc by the language they use |
| 00:34.40 | Guerin | thc: i can't make anyone do anything. You squirted beer out of your nose of your own free will. Just ask the psychologist. |
| 00:34.46 | thc | haha |
| 00:34.47 | CaT_MaN|away | that what I've used |
| 00:34.48 | petemc | LightVision: because i have the chuztpah to use profanities doesnt make me a moron |
| 00:34.48 | thc | no thanks |
| 00:34.54 | Guerin | LightVision: yeah, but you can't tell it by whether they swear or not. |
| 00:35.14 | petemc | chutzpah.. |
| 00:35.24 | marstewel | LightVision: bullshit |
| 00:35.42 | LightVision | petemc: ok, so you say. but evidence shows that anyone who uses such profanity is usually in poverty, unemployed and not successful in life and relationships. thats all im saying :P |
| 00:35.49 | marstewel | LightVision: I know of at least 10 examples which are POC that you are wrong |
| 00:35.51 | Guerin | LightVision: proof |
| 00:35.57 | Guerin | LightVision: state your sources |
| 00:36.01 | LightVision | brb in 10 |
| 00:36.02 | petemc | LightVision: im confident that im considerably richer than you |
| 00:36.08 | petemc | ;) |
| 00:36.11 | LightVision | petemc: hehe ok :) |
| 00:36.14 | LightVision | brb in 10 :) |
| 00:36.23 | Guerin | must be changing sex again |
| 00:36.28 | petemc | i buy and sell fucker like you every day |
| 00:36.29 | jim | LightVision: statistics maybe... not necessarily evidence |
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| 00:36.34 | Guerin | like pants |
| 00:36.35 | petemc | +s |
| 00:36.43 | marstewel | Guerin: no 10 mins for choosing pros ;) |
| 00:36.50 | abrotman | petemc: i think she's fucking wrong :) |
| 00:36.56 | petemc | :) |
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| 00:37.05 | Guerin | abrotman: it's he now |
| 00:37.11 | Guerin | abrotman: keep up with the times |
| 00:37.18 | abrotman | Guerin: do trolls have a sex? |
| 00:37.21 | marstewel | Guerin: you sure? |
| 00:37.27 | marstewel | Guerin: last time it was a lesbian... |
| 00:37.29 | bloom | is their a way to put all of my mime types into one boat? so I don't have to (for example) edit firefox and thunderbird's mime types separately? |
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| 00:37.30 | marstewel | :P |
| 00:37.39 | Guerin | marstewel: keeps changing. |
| 00:37.46 | marstewel | oh, damn |
| 00:37.47 | ke6isf | A male lesbian? |
| 00:37.51 | marstewel | lesbians are fun ;) |
| 00:37.53 | jim | mesbian! |
| 00:38.15 | Guerin | bloom: that would be cool. |
| 00:38.18 | jim | lesbian thespian? |
| 00:38.33 | bloom | Guerin: I take it there is nothing? |
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| 00:38.47 | bloom | Guerin: (I mean aside from standardizing on gnome apps or on kde apps) |
| 00:38.52 | Guerin | bloom: i don't know, never looked into it. |
| 00:38.55 | DavidW2 | Hi. WHy does apache-ssl server ssl, but apache2 is not set up to do it? |
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| 00:39.21 | petemc | bloom: gnome and kde have methods to achieve what you desire, gnome in particular is working towards that end, but its not there, yet |
| 00:39.40 | Guerin | DavidW2: because apache-ssl is for people who explicitly want to run a ssl server, and apache2 is for people who may or may not want to. |
| 00:39.40 | marstewel | does anybody know of a (preferable) short comparison of deb and rpm commands? |
| 00:39.41 | abrotman | DavidW2: the apache2 package in sarge+ has ssl built in |
| 00:39.42 | bluefox83 | how do i find out what compiler was used when compiling a binary in apt? |
| 00:39.44 | DavidW2 | Also, does apache2 use /etc/ssl? Because there's seems also to be an ssl directory under its directorues |
| 00:39.51 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 00:39.51 | dpkg | somebody said refcard was http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 00:40.08 | bloom | Ideally I'd like to configure the protocol helpers and mime handlers for Gaim, Firefox, Thunderbird,Rox Filer, and kdepim in one fell swoop. |
| 00:40.10 | DavidW2 | abrotman: OK, how? I am using unstable. So I should uninstall apache-ssl then? |
| 00:40.11 | Guerin | abrotman: built in, but not turned on by default, i think he means |
| 00:40.17 | abrotman | Daveman: that's up to you |
| 00:40.20 | abrotman | Guerin: well .. duh :) |
| 00:40.26 | Guerin | abrotman: exactly |
| 00:40.44 | abrotman | DavidW2: how what? |
| 00:40.50 | bloom | how many more years am I looking at? |
| 00:40.50 | Guerin | DavidW2: if you want to run apache2, uninstall apache-ssl and configure a[ache2 to do your ssl |
| 00:40.59 | abrotman | check the available-mods .. and maybe use a2enmod or whatever it is |
| 00:41.07 | DavidW2 | Guerin: OK, I uninstalled apache-ssl. Now what? |
| 00:41.09 | bluefox83 | no one knows? |
| 00:41.17 | Guerin | DavidW2: now configure apache2 to serve ssl |
| 00:41.29 | DavidW2 | Guerin: The deal is at least apache-ssl generated some certificates for me. I don't think apache2 is nice enough to do this |
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| 00:41.38 | DavidW2 | Guerin: easier said than done? ;) |
| 00:41.38 | marstewel | Guerin: my apache2 crashed with ssl after a time |
| 00:41.39 | abrotman | DavidW2: make-ssl-cert |
| 00:41.39 | Guerin | DavidW2: for more information, read http://httpd.apache.org |
| 00:41.40 | jim | DavidW2: are you using unstable because you're interested in testing and reporting problems in it, and also in coming up with problem fixes? |
| 00:41.51 | Guerin | marstewel: i still use apache1 |
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| 00:41.57 | DavidW2 | jim: sure. i am reporting a problem right now |
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| 00:42.11 | marstewel | Guerin: or moreover it worked with http:// but not with https:// ... not even restarting apache helped. |
| 00:42.28 | Guerin | DavidW2: the behavior you are experienceing is not a problem. it's this way by design. |
| 00:42.34 | ke6isf | Hmm... this sounds like a job for BTS. |
| 00:42.40 | jim | also, all data on the box is backed up sufficiently so that you don't mind if the box explodes? |
| 00:42.52 | DavidW2 | Guerin: It's a problem. It doesn't seem possible to use SSL without an SSL certificate |
| 00:43.05 | abrotman | duh |
| 00:43.07 | petemc | *bam* |
| 00:43.13 | Guerin | DavidW2: that's right. You have to make your own certificates using the tools provided. |
| 00:43.13 | abrotman | !find make-ssl-cert |
| 00:43.16 | marstewel | DavidW2: self-signed certificates... |
| 00:43.18 | jim | DavidW2: that is true obviously |
| 00:43.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'make-ssl-cert' (1): (/usr/sbin/make-ssl-cert) in utils/ssl-cert. |
| 00:43.33 | petemc | there is a .pem file provided |
| 00:43.34 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 00:43.40 | marstewel | lol abrotman |
| 00:43.42 | Guerin | DavidW2: you know that valid, trustworthy certificates CANNOT be pre-packaged, right? |
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| 00:44.05 | pem3v78 | what is needed to run su in chroot jail |
| 00:44.15 | Guerin | pem3v78: UML or XEN |
| 00:44.19 | petemc | jail is a freebsd thing |
| 00:44.26 | pem3v78 | the output it gives me when I run su is "Sorry" |
| 00:44.33 | jim | su, a chroot and a jail cell |
| 00:44.34 | DavidW2 | Guerin: Well, whether or not debain should/does have a pki infustructure is a valid concern, but not the same thing.... |
| 00:44.35 | Guerin | pem3v78: there's 0 point in jailing a superuser. |
| 00:44.38 | bonz | a computer? |
| 00:44.54 | jim | bonz: that too :) |
| 00:44.54 | pem3v78 | I'm jaling a normal user |
| 00:45.13 | abrotman | pem3v78: but you want him to have su |
| 00:45.19 | Guerin | DavidW2: no ... debian DOES have one. But debian can't magically determine all the information necessary for a ssl certificate automatically, so it's left to the admin |
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| 00:45.30 | Guerin | DavidW2: believe it or not, admins still have to do SOME work |
| 00:45.33 | abrotman | maek-ssl-cert1!!! |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | err no 1 |
| 00:45.43 | bucky | DavidW2, http://ilovett.com/blog/projects/linux/installing-ssl-on-debian-apache2 |
| 00:45.48 | marstewel | is there a way to find out how many soft links are to a file ? |
| 00:46.02 | Guerin | marstewel: not trivially |
| 00:46.03 | pem3v78 | I need to run subversion inside chroot with diffrent user than root |
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| 00:46.17 | marstewel | and for hartlinks ? |
| 00:46.19 | marstewel | ls -l ? |
| 00:46.31 | marstewel | hard* |
| 00:46.31 | fando | does iwconfig support WPA Pre-Shared passphrases? |
| 00:46.46 | pem3v78 | I do chroot to subversion dir and need to change user which runs svnserve |
| 00:46.53 | bonz | marstewel: theres always a way too do anything :) |
| 00:46.55 | abrotman | marstewel: you might be able to do that stuff with find |
| 00:46.58 | bluefox83 | does apt have a utility that tells you what compiler was used when compiling a kernel in the repository? |
| 00:47.03 | pem3v78 | it doesn't support this feature by it self |
| 00:47.09 | DavidW2 | Guerin: ok, but your reason for this is? |
| 00:47.12 | petemc | marstewel: find -lname |
| 00:47.19 | Guerin | DavidW2: my reason for WHAT? |
| 00:47.25 | DavidW2 | Guerin: because self-signed certificates cannot be trusted? no, that doesn't make sense |
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| 00:47.31 | abrotman | bluefox83: probably the current compiler in that version of debian |
| 00:47.32 | marstewel | petemc: thanks for refreshing my memory |
| 00:47.35 | marstewel | darn 3 am almost |
| 00:47.36 | dodgyville | Hi |
| 00:47.38 | dodgyville | Is there a text editor that lets you reformat plain text to a certain width? |
| 00:47.45 | DavidW2 | Guerin: your reason why admins should be forced to do it manually. And if so, why is apache-ssl still doing it? |
| 00:47.49 | petemc | marstewel: eg: find / -lname "*linuz*" -printf '%p links to %l\n' |
| 00:47.54 | jim | dodgyville: most will do that |
| 00:48.08 | bonz | find|grep the filename linked too might work |
| 00:48.08 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i dunno, i didn't seem to be able to get 2.6.11-1-k7 compiled in the latest gcc compiler |
| 00:48.14 | abrotman | which is ? |
| 00:48.16 | Guerin | DavidW2: no, self-signed certificates CAN be trusted. But they're not really trustworthy if the certificate is signed generically |
| 00:48.22 | bluefox83 | abrotman, is there a way to find out for sure without downloading it? |
| 00:48.26 | dodgyville | jim: I meant save the text to a text file with the perscribed width (eg 80 chars). |
| 00:48.28 | abrotman | cat /proc/version |
| 00:48.30 | Guerin | DavidW2: the reason being that apache-ssl won't start without a cert of some kind |
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| 00:48.38 | Guerin | DavidW2: whereas apache2 will |
| 00:48.42 | petemc | DavidW2: as i said, there is a certificate that comes with the package, you need to read how to use it |
| 00:48.52 | Tortel | !tell me about java |
| 00:49.03 | abrotman | Tortel: /msg dpkg java |
| 00:49.07 | Tortel | i knoe |
| 00:49.09 | Tortel | *know |
| 00:49.13 | Tortel | tis easier tho |
| 00:49.16 | gpm | hey guys. i'm using udev and the nvidia packages on etch...for some reason /dev/nvidia* aren't created even though I've added nvidia to /etc/modules...is that a udev bug or an nvidia-kernel-source bug? |
| 00:49.20 | ke6isf | Tortel: Well, if you know, then do it. |
| 00:49.24 | Guerin | DavidW2: self-signed certificates can only be trusted IF you believe the signatory IS the person running the site. Obviously debian can't be that in all cases, ergo it's false trust. |
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| 00:49.56 | bonz | hehe !@#$ knowitall's |
| 00:50.03 | Guerin | DavidW2: sure you still get encryption - but what good is encryption if you don't know who's getting the data? |
| 00:50.11 | petemc | Guerin: what should be in /etc/nvidia*? i haent used an nvidia card for a while, but when i did, there was no such file |
| 00:50.14 | petemc | gah |
| 00:50.18 | petemc | gpm: ^^ |
| 00:50.31 | ke6isf | Tortel: If you're running a graphical IRC client, then it should pop up in a new window/tab/whatever. It's at that point easier to type 'java' in that window than it is to type '!tell me about java' in the main channel window |
| 00:50.44 | marstewel | Guerin: as long as my boss doesnt get it ;) |
| 00:50.59 | Tortel | i know, i do !tell to open a tab |
| 00:50.59 | gpm | petemc: /dev/nvidia0, /dev/nvidiactl |
| 00:51.11 | ke6isf | Tortel: Ah, I see. |
| 00:51.22 | gpm | petemc: i'm not sure how many /dev/nvidias...if i just have /dev/nvidia0 and /dev/nvidia1 i think i'm ok |
| 00:51.27 | bluefox83 | !info kernel-image |
| 00:51.29 | petemc | gpm: i read /dev/ as /etc, thats the drink.. |
| 00:51.37 | bluefox83 | i guess that doesn't work here ..hehe |
| 00:51.43 | ke6isf | bluefox83: needs a version number. |
| 00:51.47 | bluefox83 | ah |
| 00:51.56 | ke6isf | bluefox83: What distribution, what kernel, and what arch? |
| 00:51.56 | Guerin | petemc: watch out ... LightVision will lecture you on the perils of alcohol |
| 00:52.01 | petemc | :) |
| 00:52.05 | bonz | gpm: I think zero nvidia cards are better :) |
| 00:52.06 | gpm | petemc: np |
| 00:52.07 | marstewel | bonz: I have root on the *nix mailserver at work :P |
| 00:52.11 | petemc | im also smoking a joint |
| 00:52.16 | gpm | bonz: well yeah...but i can't afford to ditch it right now |
| 00:52.19 | bonz | but thats just personal preference |
| 00:52.21 | Guerin | petemc: you're clearly subhuman |
| 00:52.22 | petemc | and had a few lines earlier |
| 00:52.25 | bluefox83 | ke6isf, unstable 2.6-k7 k7 |
| 00:52.27 | thc | petemc: ditto, s/joint/blunt/ |
| 00:52.34 | thc | haha no lines here |
| 00:52.40 | bluefox83 | !ino kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 00:52.45 | bluefox83 | !info kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 00:52.48 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-k7: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on AMD K7 machines - transition package), section base, is extra. Version: 1:2.6.12-10 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 00:52.50 | bluefox83 | helps if i spell it right.. |
| 00:53.06 | ke6isf | !tell bluefox83 -about info linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 00:53.15 | bluefox83 | still doesn't tell me what compiler was used |
| 00:53.16 | ke6isf | bluefox83: There you go. =^_^= |
| 00:53.20 | bonz | is konqueror broken under sid at the moment? |
| 00:53.31 | petemc | bonz: abrotman told you, cat /proc/version |
| 00:53.34 | gpm | bts... |
| 00:53.37 | petemc | ahh |
| 00:53.46 | petemc | bluefox83: ^^ |
| 00:53.48 | gpm | petemc: so...no clues? |
| 00:53.53 | Dasnipa` | i did apt-get smartpm but now cant find how to start the app |
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| 00:53.58 | ke6isf | bluefox83: Usually it's gcc, isn't it? |
| 00:54.07 | NyteRukh | anyone do boot splash screens? |
| 00:54.10 | bluefox83 | ke6isf, yes, but what version!?! |
| 00:54.14 | petemc | gpm: 'fraid not, tho. you're sure the module is loaded? |
| 00:54.26 | marstewel | heh |
| 00:54.29 | gpm | yeah |
| 00:54.32 | marstewel | f*cking wrong simulator questions |
| 00:54.43 | abrotman | marstewel: i am not a simulator! |
| 00:54.51 | marstewel | I didnt mean you abrotman |
| 00:54.52 | gpm | actually, if i edit /etc/udev/links.conf i can get the devices..but not with proper permissions |
| 00:55.06 | ke6isf | bluefox83: Doesn't show a thing on sarge if I do apt-cache show on a kernel-image. Might ask on the list. |
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| 00:55.19 | marstewel | abrotman: "apt-get install +bla -blubb +fasel" => should probably be "apt-get install bla+ blubb- fasel+" |
| 00:55.22 | row | Am I correct in thinking the debian sarge installer can do a standard lvm setup, or will it just dump me in a shell to do it myself? |
| 00:55.28 | petemc | ive actively avoided learning about udev |
| 00:55.29 | abrotman | marcel__: yeah |
| 00:55.34 | jayeola | NyteRukh: http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php?t=386&highlight=splash |
| 00:55.35 | marstewel | row: it can do that |
| 00:55.35 | abrotman | rr marstewel yeah |
| 00:55.37 | Guerin | petemc: me too |
| 00:55.42 | petemc | i didnt know shit about devfs either |
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| 00:55.49 | row | marstewel: lovely music to my ears hearing that. |
| 00:55.50 | petemc | it generally just worked |
| 00:56.01 | abrotman | row: it's not exactly straightforward .. but yes it works |
| 00:56.02 | row | marstewel: I saw it last time but never had time to take a look. |
| 00:56.08 | bonz | petemc: same |
| 00:56.08 | bonz | on both counts :) |
| 00:56.10 | row | abrotman: what do you mean by that? |
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| 00:56.21 | abrotman | row: took me a few tries :) |
| 00:56.22 | NyteRukh | yt |
| 00:56.26 | marstewel | abrotman: really? |
| 00:56.28 | nvz | row: the partitioner in Debian-Installer will do LVM so simply you may not need to learn how to use it.. which is the bad part when you realize later you dont understand the tools to modify it |
| 00:56.29 | marstewel | abrotman: shame on you :) |
| 00:56.30 | row | abrotman: I see np I can handle that. |
| 00:56.34 | abrotman | marstewel: almost my first time doing LVM :) |
| 00:56.36 | Guerin | hi ho, hi ho, it's off to the english mines I go |
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| 00:56.40 | marstewel | ah okay ;) |
| 00:56.48 | AptGet | hey at boot i get a ........ Mounting Local Filesystems .......... failed! |
| 00:56.49 | AptGet | ? |
| 00:56.51 | bonz | Anyone done xfs on a cf card? |
| 00:56.51 | abrotman | marstewel: and i ended up not keeping the config anyways |
| 00:57.00 | marstewel | heh |
| 00:57.14 | Tortel | woo, java install ist working! |
| 00:57.15 | Tortel | :D |
| 00:57.15 | row | nvz: I have looked into the tools, I know how to mod it kinda, just wondering if I need to refresh my mind on config before starting or if I can look into it later, but ta for the warning :) |
| 00:57.35 | bonz | without actually mkfs.xfs ing it too find out |
| 00:57.57 | abrotman | bonz: just like any other FS .. |
| 00:58.00 | abrotman | badly |
| 00:58.19 | nvz | row: the D-I works with a curses based partitioner that is highly intuitive and will make LGs and LVs for you easily with filesystems, mount points..etc |
| 00:58.34 | bonz | abrotman: thought xfs might handle bad dismounts better |
| 00:58.54 | abrotman | why would you think that ? |
| 00:59.05 | bonz | certainly couldn't be worse then messydos |
| 00:59.09 | petemc | groupthink |
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| 00:59.18 | abrotman | bonz: yes it could be ... |
| 00:59.19 | abrotman | easily |
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| 00:59.24 | marstewel | Ctrl-Alt-+ and Ctrl-Alt-- can be used to switch between the configured resolutions in X. is that true? |
| 00:59.29 | abrotman | it's a journaled filesystem .. vfat isn't |
| 00:59.38 | petemc | marstewel: if they're defined in the config, yes |
| 00:59.40 | dvs | marstewel: On the keypad, yes |
| 00:59.51 | marstewel | petemc: are they defined by default ? |
| 01:00.01 | petemc | dont know |
| 01:00.05 | AptGet | hey at boot i get a ........ Mounting Local Filesystems .......... failed! |
| 01:00.07 | petemc | not hard to check |
| 01:00.11 | marstewel | petemc: this questions should not be specific to debian but distribution neutral |
| 01:00.13 | ecivo | if the config was autogenerated the should be |
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| 01:00.22 | ecivo | just give it a try ;) |
| 01:00.28 | bonz | abrotman: because of the blurbs I read about xfs that state it's good for hot swappable devices and such, but I try too obtain multiple opinions on the matter before destroying data |
| 01:00.33 | marstewel | I dont have X running ;) |
| 01:00.42 | marstewel | brb |
| 01:00.45 | jim | row: the installer will do lvm (not by shell necessarily)... kernel has support (which just needs device mapper module), userland support is present. |
| 01:00.53 | bonz | marstewel: x crawling ey? |
| 01:01.04 | marstewel | bonz: no LPIC-1 prep |
| 01:01.13 | abrotman | bonz: do you know what can happen to xfs/reiser if the power goes out and you have no UPS ? |
| 01:01.19 | jim | row: once you have some pvs and vgs, you can make lvs in the partitioner |
| 01:01.54 | dvs | abrotman: pull your hair out like i did today? |
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| 01:02.01 | LightVision | Guerin: hello |
| 01:02.02 | jim | (if you don't know what those are, you have reading to do) |
| 01:02.06 | bonz | abrotman: no thats why I'm asking from those with personal experience(hopefully) rather then reading pages made by those guessing |
| 01:02.06 | abrotman | dvs: it died ? |
| 01:02.22 | abrotman | bonz: apparently dvs had a partition die today .. ask him if it's a good idea |
| 01:02.41 | dvs | abrotman: I swapped my Debian hard drive out and had a hell of a time getting the system to boot |
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| 01:03.05 | jim | bonz: whether guess has nothing at all to do with wheter on irc or prewritten |
| 01:03.07 | abrotman | dvs: hot swap? or cold? |
| 01:03.14 | dvs | abrotman: Cold. |
| 01:03.18 | petemc | i lost 2 maxtors this week |
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| 01:03.28 | Tortel | i lost $20 this week |
| 01:03.29 | Tortel | :( |
| 01:03.36 | petemc | 400 gig of pr0n and various warez gone.. |
| 01:03.37 | dvs | abrotman: But I ain't using those commercial disk copy programs again because they don't work |
| 01:03.41 | abrotman | petemc: left the door open ? |
| 01:03.49 | bonz | hmm this is exactly the information I was seeking, thanks |
| 01:03.54 | Tortel | damn, 400 gig? |
| 01:04.00 | petemc | abrotman: pc beside an open fire |
| 01:04.06 | Tortel | i only got about 10 of war3z and pr0n |
| 01:04.12 | abrotman | petemc: computers don't burn |
| 01:04.21 | bonz | petemc: sounds nice n cosy |
| 01:04.29 | petemc | it is |
| 01:04.39 | petemc | but no porn, to speak of |
| 01:04.47 | AptGet | hey at boot i get a ........ Mounting Local Filesystems .......... failed! |
| 01:04.49 | petemc | theres always the hun |
| 01:05.03 | petemc | but 10 second clips arent up to much |
| 01:05.05 | AptGet | gotta love the hun |
| 01:05.09 | Frem | Is there some deamon I can use so that my copied-but-not-pasted text won't vanish from buffer when I close the source window? |
| 01:05.28 | litage | would the rules in an iptables firewall script that doesn't mention IPv6 cover IPv4 and v6 packets? |
| 01:05.41 | abrotman | ask #iptables |
| 01:05.41 | petemc | litage: no |
| 01:05.44 | bonz | Frem: text file in vi :) |
| 01:06.29 | Frem | bonz: that's not exactly what I was looking for... is there seriously no way to do this? |
| 01:07.01 | petemc | litage: well, often times ipv6 is tunnelled through ipv4, but there are tools to manipulate ipv6, ip6tables, or some shit |
| 01:07.06 | abrotman | Frem: there's been various work done .. not sure anyone actually kept going with it |
| 01:07.16 | litage | thanks petemc |
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| 01:09.04 | petemc | ive no beer left |
| 01:09.15 | petemc | but have a few bottles of wine.. |
| 01:09.20 | dvs | petemc: Ask _keroppi_ , his town's got plenty |
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| 01:09.38 | abrotman | !beer petemc |
| 01:09.53 | petemc | dvs: be that as it may, its probably geographically remote to me |
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| 01:10.35 | abrotman | petemc: isn't it a wee bit late to start drinking now ? |
| 01:10.46 | petemc | how much is a quart? i imagine its one fourth of something, but what? |
| 01:10.51 | petemc | abrotman: im off tomorrow |
| 01:10.57 | petemc | its only 2am |
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| 01:11.36 | AptGet | hey at boot i get a ........ Mounting Local Filesystems .......... failed! |
| 01:11.42 | bonz | abrotman: depends which timezone you are in, if it's a problem, just set your timepiece of choice too a timezone where it is not too late :) |
| 01:11.44 | abrotman | petemc: ah |
| 01:11.57 | abrotman | bonz: i know his timezone .. and he's a few ahead of me |
| 01:12.02 | _keroppi_ | dvs: Huh? |
| 01:12.16 | _keroppi_ | Oh, I'm in Canada |
| 01:12.22 | _keroppi_ | Yeah, we have shitloads of beer. =) |
| 01:12.25 | abrotman | canada has beer? |
| 01:12.38 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 01:12.38 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 01:12.42 | _keroppi_ | Canada has beer instead of piss-coloured water, like the US |
| 01:12.55 | abrotman | right .. |
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| 01:13.02 | abrotman | becuase molson is oh so good ... |
| 01:13.08 | dvs | _keroppi_: Oktoberfest central |
| 01:13.13 | petemc | i drank molsen ice when in the us |
| 01:13.23 | abrotman | i drink yuengling! |
| 01:13.23 | _keroppi_ | dvs: Are you looking at everyone's IP's? =) |
| 01:13.27 | petemc | heh |
| 01:13.30 | dvs | petemc: Lucky you!! My fav! |
| 01:13.34 | abrotman | petemc: you love yuengling! |
| 01:13.35 | bonz | looks like all jfs are outa the question for flash, pity |
| 01:13.41 | dvs | _keroppi_: Umm....... no? |
| 01:13.43 | petemc | yuengling is like guinness and lager mixed |
| 01:13.47 | thc | yuengling is the bomb. |
| 01:13.57 | thc | i'll drink that shit by the gallon |
| 01:14.00 | abrotman | i do |
| 01:14.01 | _keroppi_ | dvs: How do you know I'm in Waterloo? |
| 01:14.03 | bloom | why do so many mailing list archives use self-signed HTTPS? why can't they just use normal http? |
| 01:14.10 | chealer | Bud lite rules |
| 01:14.17 | petemc | your ass |
| 01:14.19 | thc | abrotman can you buy sixers of y-l over there? |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | cheal: aren't you canadian |
| 01:14.34 | thc | i only saw that shit on tap at bars when i was in philly |
| 01:14.34 | dvs | _keroppi_: I was kidding. The IP shows up whenever someone log in on XChat |
| 01:14.34 | abrotman | thc: i live about an hour from pottsville .. |
| 01:14.38 | thc | ah cool |
| 01:14.44 | thc | you lucky f***er |
| 01:14.49 | chealer | abrotman, yeah, but Bud Lite rules everywhere! |
| 01:14.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:14.54 | _keroppi_ | dvs: ah, you have that turned on. =) |
| 01:15.08 | abrotman | _keroppi_: see .. apparently canadian beer is so bad .. chealer drinks bud light! |
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| 01:15.11 | dvs | _keroppi_: I never knew I could turn it off |
| 01:15.18 | dasunt | Thanks, I got TV out working. |
| 01:15.19 | bonz | chealer: if you like driking piss :) |
| 01:15.20 | abrotman | thc: i had a whole bunch last night! |
| 01:15.21 | websae | to copy a folder is 'cp /directory/foldername/ /directory/newfoldername' |
| 01:15.23 | websae | is that correct? |
| 01:15.30 | abrotman | websae: -R .. man cp |
| 01:15.39 | AptGet | hey at boot i get a ........ Mounting Local Filesystems .......... failed! |
| 01:15.43 | bonz | dasunt: what hardware? |
| 01:15.46 | chealer | bonz, oh, you guys were talking about beer? sorry |
| 01:15.52 | abrotman | AptGet: use a debian kernel |
| 01:15.53 | _keroppi_ | abrotman: Bud Light is for people who don't like beer, same with any beer |
| 01:15.56 | dasunt | NeoMagic/Gateway Solo 2500 |
| 01:15.58 | petemc | AptGet: thats often a harmless message |
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| 01:16.09 | _keroppi_ | abrotman: Light beer is to moisten your vagina if it's too dry =) |
| 01:16.19 | petemc | or theres sand up it |
| 01:16.22 | abrotman | _keroppi_: i didn't say it .. chealer did |
| 01:16.25 | Bushito | does xmms2 package exist??? |
| 01:16.32 | abrotman | !info xmms sarge |
| 01:16.36 | AptGet | abrotman, i am |
| 01:16.43 | dpkg | xmms: (Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.10+cvs20050209-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 2336 kB, Installed size: 6516 kB |
| 01:16.45 | abrotman | AptGet: petemc says to ignore it |
| 01:16.48 | abrotman | !info xmms sid |
| 01:16.49 | chealer | abrotman, it's not fair, I didn't know you were talking about beer |
| 01:16.55 | dpkg | xmms: (Versatile X audio player), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.10+cvs20050809-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2349 kB, Installed size: 7176 kB |
| 01:16.58 | abrotman | wtf did you think bud light was ? |
| 01:17.00 | dasunt | It works, it isn't ideal. |
| 01:17.10 | abrotman | guess not |
| 01:17.13 | chealer | I thought this was a piss contest |
| 01:17.16 | AptGet | petemc, yeah id doesnt affect anything it seems......but it is ugly to see the big red failed! at boot |
| 01:17.32 | bonz | does in sid according too my cache |
| 01:17.36 | abrotman | big red failed ? |
| 01:17.37 | dasunt | To be honest, it was more of a "I'm bored, can I get this to work" than something I'm planning to use with this laptop. But it makes me glad that I figured it out -- one day I will have a settop emulator machine and I'd rather it not be windows. :) |
| 01:17.39 | abrotman | in what damn OS ? |
| 01:17.39 | petemc | AptGet: ive not seen it with debian, knoppix tho.. |
| 01:17.47 | abrotman | !info xmms2 |
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| 01:17.55 | AptGet | abrotman, yeah its red |
| 01:17.57 | mtnman | !xmms2 |
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| 01:18.55 | AptGet | petemc, im missing a package it seems.....because when I do i standard desktop installation it does not show up....but when i base install and add packages it is there |
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| 01:19.12 | dasunt | bonz: I'm slightly surprised that it works, since the Gateway Solo 2500 has funky hardware. But it does. :) |
| 01:19.15 | petemc | AptGet: you dual boot with windows? |
| 01:19.16 | AptGet | my fstab seems correct |
| 01:19.20 | jay | question: What can I install on my box so that it can recognize the NAMES of all the windows computers on the same LAN ? |
| 01:19.36 | bdmaglin | samba? |
| 01:19.36 | AptGet | petemc, no i dont dual boot....although i did |
| 01:19.36 | abrotman | samba ? |
| 01:19.37 | jay | I did |
| 01:19.38 | abrotman | !nmb |
| 01:19.40 | abrotman | !nmbd |
| 01:19.42 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:19.45 | jay | theres no nmbd anymore |
| 01:19.54 | jay | unless its name changed? |
| 01:19.57 | dasunt | Isn't there linneighborhood that is a nice samba client? |
| 01:20.05 | abrotman | jay: i used it in my office ... |
| 01:20.09 | petemc | jay: recent windows uses dns |
| 01:20.14 | jay | I'm trying to even ping my windwos computers |
| 01:20.16 | dasunt | linneighborhood - An SMB network browser for Linux and X11. |
| 01:20.20 | jay | cant ping them, only by IP |
| 01:20.22 | dasunt | xsmbrowser - X11 tool for navigating SMB Networks |
| 01:20.28 | bucky | smbclient |
| 01:20.28 | dasunt | That may be worth investigating. |
| 01:20.42 | jay | IM just trying to ping them by name, for now! |
| 01:20.45 | dasunt | smbclient will do it from the command line. |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | jay: ask #samba ? |
| 01:20.53 | bonz | dasunt: I got an old PIII toshy that was ditched with tv-out & am contemplating turning it into a PVR if I can ever resolve the issues behind why it was ditched |
| 01:21.06 | dasunt | bonz: Why was it ditched? |
| 01:21.07 | jay | thats a good suggestion, thanks abrotman |
| 01:21.07 | bdmaglin | case sensitive? names not in /etc/hosts or /etc/samba/lmhosts? |
| 01:21.21 | jay | well yes but i dont want to have to add them all to /etc/hosts |
| 01:21.31 | bonz | one being an overheating cpu because of oshibas faulty workmanship in assembly |
| 01:21.44 | bdmaglin | your system has to know about them somehow? dns? |
| 01:21.50 | petemc | jay: that problem arose some 30 years ago, the solution is dns |
| 01:21.50 | dasunt | Oh, and don't say "old PIII". This connection is going through my P166 server/nat/firewall, and it may be listening in. :) |
| 01:22.05 | jay | petemc yes but dns isnt working! |
| 01:22.16 | bdmaglin | 30 years for dns?? in dog years |
| 01:22.20 | AptGet | i run debian on a p1 too......but thats my girls pc |
| 01:22.20 | bonz | dasunt: many, think mainly the cpu, but possibly other reasons too |
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| 01:22.38 | statickaos | i run sarge testing, how would i get the newest available version of konqueror installed? |
| 01:22.47 | dasunt | bonz: Ouch. You could do what I'm considering, and look at used Xboxes on ebay. |
| 01:22.47 | AptGet | debian sarge with fluxbox runs great on old hardware |
| 01:22.55 | abrotman | statickaos: apt-get install konqueror |
| 01:23.13 | petemc | dasunt: new xboxes are cheap.. |
| 01:23.19 | bonz | dasunt: nah all my hardware is landfill recycled |
| 01:23.34 | petemc | i have a fairly lucrative sideline in chipping xboxes |
| 01:23.39 | dasunt | petemc: I work for a non-profit, I'm broke. :( |
| 01:23.47 | bonz | my backup notebook is a p166mmx & it works like a chaarm with woody |
| 01:23.52 | Tortel | i dont work, im in debt |
| 01:23.53 | Tortel | :( |
| 01:23.54 | servus | Everyone knows that non-profit organizations make incredible amounts of money. |
| 01:23.54 | abrotman | my company tries .. but they're non-profit too :) |
| 01:23.59 | bdmaglin | http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/dealer.html linux on rolex is cheap also |
| 01:24.08 | servus | You just have to be high up in the organization to get the money :) |
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| 01:24.24 | petemc | shit rolls down the hill, money rolls up |
| 01:24.33 | jim | statickaos: sarge is no longer testing... first make sure your sources.list say sarge, run apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:24.34 | abrotman | except the pennies! |
| 01:24.40 | bdmaglin | money talks noone walks |
| 01:24.46 | bonz | servus: prime minister/president of a country :) |
| 01:25.05 | dasunt | servus: I wish. But part of the company is transitioning over to for-profit, which should help the cash flows. |
| 01:25.21 | servus | Red Cross. Do you know how much of a donated dollar goes to the corporate executives? A lot! |
| 01:25.55 | statickaos | jim: my sources.list doesent say sarge. just testing |
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| 01:26.15 | dvs | statickaos: So you have etch |
| 01:26.27 | jim | statickaos: do you want sarge or testing? (they are not the same) |
| 01:26.32 | statickaos | testing |
| 01:26.36 | abrotman | apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade;apt-get install konqueror |
| 01:26.39 | statickaos | anything with newer packages |
| 01:26.43 | abrotman | !testing |
| 01:26.44 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 01:26.45 | bonz | is sarge stable yet? |
| 01:26.52 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:26.53 | dvs | bonz: Long time |
| 01:26.54 | gravity | bonz: As of many months ago |
| 01:26.58 | dvs | bonz: 4 months |
| 01:27.10 | Tortel | i have sarge |
| 01:27.11 | statickaos | what is the newest konqueror version? |
| 01:27.17 | bonz | dvs: been out bush for a while & haven't really been keeping up |
| 01:27.18 | Tortel | i like it a hell of alot more than ubuntu |
| 01:27.19 | abrotman | !info konqueror etch |
| 01:27.26 | dpkg | konqueror: (KDE's advanced File Manager, Web Browser and Document Viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 2186 kB, Installed size: 5140 kB |
| 01:27.36 | jim | statickaos: find out from the konqueror web site |
| 01:28.19 | Tortel | One more question: What are good firewall programs? |
| 01:28.25 | jay | statickaos if you install from elsewhere, KDE is up to 3.4.3 |
| 01:28.27 | statickaos | 3.4 is newest but i have 3.3.2 |
| 01:28.28 | Tortel | firestarter? |
| 01:28.34 | jim | they're programs that are good! |
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| 01:28.51 | Tortel | well, what would you suggest? |
| 01:29.11 | abrotman | iptables |
| 01:29.22 | abrotman | statickaos: ask #debian-ke |
| 01:29.23 | abrotman | err |
| 01:29.25 | abrotman | statickaos: ask #debian-kde |
| 01:29.36 | statickaos | k |
| 01:30.21 | dasunt | Is the PS3 out yet? |
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| 01:30.50 | jim | dasunt: as to who to ask about that? :) |
| 01:31.13 | DAC1138 | okay, got a problem and i've had this on ubuntu as well, although im using pure debian now. i keep getting a "kernel panic - not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (3,1)" after ive built my new kernel |
| 01:31.14 | dasunt | This is a geeky channel. It should know. :p |
| 01:31.21 | bonz | dasunt: yeah I've been using my ps4 mouse for ages now :) |
| 01:31.26 | abrotman | DAC1138: don't |
| 01:31.30 | jim | dasunt: that only deals with debian |
| 01:31.35 | LightVision | Guerin: great stuff |
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| 01:31.38 | DAC1138 | abrotman, don't what? |
| 01:31.51 | jim | so yes you were right... you were confused :) |
| 01:31.54 | abrotman | why are you building your own kernel ? |
| 01:32.07 | DAC1138 | abrotman, i need some laptop support stuff that's not in the kernel by default |
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| 01:32.19 | abrotman | you've forgotten something in your config |
| 01:32.20 | dasunt | Yah, but if the PS2 was going to drop in price, I'd start investigating if its possible to run debian on it. :) |
| 01:32.25 | bonz | abrotman: why not, cut out the crap not being used that sits in memory :) |
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| 01:32.35 | abrotman | dasunt: it is |
| 01:32.35 | DAC1138 | abrotman, nope, i built in the filesystem stuff into the kernel, and not as a module |
| 01:32.38 | jim | DAC1138: abrotman has it right... you forgot to enable something |
| 01:32.40 | abrotman | controller ? |
| 01:32.43 | DAC1138 | abrotman, and ive rebuilt an initrd |
| 01:32.59 | DAC1138 | abrotman, ive been looking on google and linuxquestions, everything i find in incomplete and has no solution |
| 01:33.02 | abrotman | ok .. fine .. you did it right .. and it's broken |
| 01:33.04 | dasunt | Cool, thanks. |
| 01:33.12 | abrotman | DAC1138: you forgot something! |
| 01:33.14 | LightVision | DAC1138: there is always a solution |
| 01:33.18 | jim | DAC1138: here is a good thing to do... |
| 01:33.40 | DAC1138 | yes, there's always a solution, but no one has been kind enough to post back on their forums they start |
| 01:33.47 | gpm | hi. i think udev is blocking the nvidia driver from creating the devices it needs to...should i file a bug or is there a workaround? can't seem to figure it out. |
| 01:33.47 | DAC1138 | so i come here |
| 01:33.52 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:34.09 | abrotman | DAC1138: we told you .. you're missing an option somewhere .. filesystem,pci, controllers, |
| 01:34.21 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.41 | DAC1138 | abrotman, oh, and i must note, im using the exact same kernel config file that i used on mepis, with the exact same kernel version, and that one booted fine |
| 01:34.42 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.44 | LightVision | DAC1138: 1 thing ive learned , the Debian community is the most helpful I ever seen. Yet at times we have to do our own die diligence too, and find for ourselves. that way we can grow and learn better too |
| 01:34.58 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.58 | dvs | DAC1138: And if you compile your own kernel, you don't really need an initrd |
| 01:35.03 | LightVision | DAC1138: retention levels increase when we learn for ourselves, and not always given the answers |
| 01:35.04 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.09 | dasunt | DAC1138: If its the sa |
| 01:35.18 | abrotman | what a horrible idiot |
| 01:35.23 | abrotman | DAC1138: i don't mean you |
| 01:35.25 | dasunt | DAC1138: If its the same config, with the same modules loaded, it should work. |
| 01:35.29 | LightVision | i meant due diligence |
| 01:35.29 | DAC1138 | dvs, some of the solutions people posted on linuxquestions said it needed an intrd, so i did it |
| 01:35.30 | abrotman | DAC1138: load the debian kernel .. copy the config .. |
| 01:35.57 | dvs | DAC1138: your choice |
| 01:35.57 | dasunt | DAC1138: Could it be that Mephis is loading up modules automatically? |
| 01:36.04 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.05 | abrotman | MEPIS! |
| 01:36.13 | DAC1138 | dasunt, that's jsut the thing, its the same config file ive been using over and over, and its worked so many times, yet on ubuntu and debian i get a kernel panic |
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| 01:36.24 | abrotman | DAC1138: did you use make-kpkg too ? |
| 01:36.38 | DAC1138 | abrotman, nope, i did this all the old fashioned way |
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| 01:36.41 | abrotman | !kp |
| 01:36.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 01:36.45 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.51 | LightVision | DAC1138: relax, take a deep breat |
| 01:37.00 | slidesinger | !postfix |
| 01:37.00 | dpkg | i heard postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org , or #postfix |
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| 01:37.13 | thc | ok so going back to the beer convo, can you FedEx me a sixer of yuengling abrotman? |
| 01:37.19 | DAC1138 | LightVision, i am relaxed |
| 01:37.20 | jim | you will end up with a kernel that has the same modules that a debian install kernel has |
| 01:37.28 | thc | i just drank my last beer |
| 01:37.38 | abrotman | thc: i thought you lived in NY ? |
| 01:37.40 | DAC1138 | no big hurry |
| 01:37.41 | LightVision | DAC1138: ok, you sounded a little anxious |
| 01:37.43 | dasunt | DAC1138: Perhaps *shot in the dark* GCC version? |
| 01:37.43 | abrotman | or StL ? |
| 01:37.46 | thc | nah man, so cal |
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| 01:37.53 | abrotman | thc: you've family in norristown ? |
| 01:37.54 | slidesinger | Is there a decent set of docs explaining how MTA's work? |
| 01:37.57 | DAC1138 | im just curious as to how to solve this problem, as i thought it was just ubuntu b0rking their own kernels |
| 01:37.57 | slidesinger | !mta |
| 01:37.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 01:37.59 | dasunt | DAC1138: Did you configure lilo correctly? |
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| 01:38.10 | thc | no, i have lots of friends in philly and pittsburg though |
| 01:38.10 | DAC1138 | dasunt, im using grub |
| 01:38.23 | abrotman | someone has family in norritown . maye thingfish |
| 01:38.26 | jim | slidesinger: buy bat book |
| 01:38.27 | thc | one of my ex g/fs is from philly and i know some big djs from there |
| 01:38.33 | thc | i go there like twice a year |
| 01:38.35 | LightVision | whats a good free webspace service anyone here is using? |
| 01:38.37 | abrotman | thc: ah ... |
| 01:38.41 | abrotman | LightVision: #web |
| 01:38.44 | DAC1138 | dasunt, and yes, grub is configured to boot the new kernel |
| 01:39.13 | thc | i'm gonna have to opt for a few cans of sapporro |
| 01:39.24 | thc | but that entails leaving my house |
| 01:39.28 | dasunt | When does it panic? |
| 01:39.29 | abrotman | thc: the real gem around here is Sly Fox Brewery |
| 01:39.35 | abrotman | IMO anyways |
| 01:39.36 | thc | never had that |
| 01:39.42 | thc | but i shall try it |
| 01:39.59 | DAC1138 | dasunt, right around when mounting the FS im guessing, right at the very beginning |
| 01:40.04 | abrotman | thc: slyfoxbeer.com |
| 01:40.14 | abrotman | thc: i go to the one in phoenixville |
| 01:40.19 | dasunt | Does grub have the right root? |
| 01:40.29 | thc | all i know is i went to this bar in philly and drank about 13 yuenglings, was drunk off my ass, and woke up with zero hangover |
| 01:40.33 | DAC1138 | dasunt, a few things will flash down (or up) the screen, it will look like it's working, and then itll panic |
| 01:40.38 | abrotman | thc: http://www.slyfoxbeer.com/beerlist.asp |
| 01:40.42 | abrotman | thc: you don't smoke do you? |
| 01:40.49 | thc | smoke weed? |
| 01:40.49 | DAC1138 | dasunt, yup, it has the right root |
| 01:40.49 | bonz | Whats a good alternative too esd for transferring audio from a beefy cpu too a client in another location via tcp/ip? |
| 01:40.53 | dasunt | recompile. Save your config, make mrproper, and copy your config b ack. |
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| 01:40.55 | abrotman | thc: cigarrettes :) |
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| 01:41.11 | DAC1138 | dasunt, i just copied over the config stuff from the default debian kernel and modified it to point to the new kernel |
| 01:41.15 | thc | nah, only when i'm really drunk and hanging out with people who smoke |
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| 01:41.18 | thc | i never buy cigs |
| 01:41.31 | thc | i smoke OPCs |
| 01:41.35 | dasunt | DAC1138: Did you try 'make oldconfig' |
| 01:41.36 | thc | other people's cigarettes |
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| 01:41.50 | abrotman | thc: i've heard that's how you get a really nasty hangover from yuengling .. smoke a ton of cigarettes at ths same time |
| 01:41.50 | sylvisj | Ok... time for the challenge of a life. Anyone know how I'd go about installing World of Warcraft on linux? |
| 01:41.57 | DAC1138 | dasunt, what would that do? |
| 01:42.00 | jim | in jail that would be considered a loan :) |
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| 01:42.13 | abrotman | thc: though i didn't have one this AM :) |
| 01:42.14 | thc | jim: not if you stab the guy after |
| 01:42.14 | DAC1138 | dasunt, doesnt that just make a config file based on the kernel config file in /boot ? |
| 01:42.16 | bonz | thc: you trying too prevent other peole from getting lung cancer? :) |
| 01:42.28 | Guerin | sylvisj: follow instructions on the blizzard site |
| 01:42.42 | slidesinger | jim: bat book? |
| 01:42.46 | sylvisj | Thx Guerin. |
| 01:42.54 | dvs | DAC1138: No, it updates an older .config file |
| 01:42.54 | jim | bat book big. |
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| 01:42.56 | thc | bonz: you can trash your own lungs if you wish! |
| 01:43.07 | thc | i prefer to let bong hits do the damage |
| 01:43.14 | jim | slidesinger: it will show you all things sendmail |
| 01:43.15 | dasunt | DAC1138: Nope. |
| 01:43.19 | thc | anyway i'm off for some cold ones |
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| 01:43.23 | DAC1138 | but why would i need to do make oldconfig? if i know for a fact my current config file works |
| 01:43.26 | slidesinger | Ahhh. |
| 01:43.26 | dasunt | DAC1138: I think its .config |
| 01:43.29 | slidesinger | thank you |
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| 01:43.34 | abrotman | jeez .. we still haven't made it back up to 700+ |
| 01:43.34 | bonz | thc: nah I don't but I thought that was a good reason for smoking opc's |
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| 01:43.42 | dasunt | DAC1138: Wait a second, I'll check |
| 01:43.45 | dvs | DAC1138: Are the two kernel versions the same? |
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| 01:44.02 | jim | thc: try hot water in the bong... doesn't hurt going in |
| 01:44.20 | DAC1138 | dvs, yes |
| 01:44.27 | Guerin | jim: heard the same about iced water |
| 01:44.35 | dasunt | The configuration file used would be located at linux-2.4.31/.config |
| 01:44.37 | dvs | DAC1138: Ok, then you don't need to run oldconfig |
| 01:44.40 | jim | chemist told me about that |
| 01:44.40 | Guerin | jim: tried them both, preferred room-temperature |
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| 01:44.57 | DAC1138 | dvs, oh, you mean are the kernel im trying to build the exact same thing as the kernel im running now? no |
| 01:45.04 | jim | his thing was, smoke assimilated at body temp |
| 01:45.22 | dvs | DAC1138: the kernel you're trying to build and the kernel you got the config from |
| 01:45.24 | DAC1138 | dvs, im trying to build a vanillla kernel, 2.6.13-4 |
| 01:45.40 | DAC1138 | dvs, oh yeah, in that case yes, they're tha same |
| 01:45.45 | jim | no problem going in.. but could be extreme going out |
| 01:46.30 | dasunt | DAC1138: If you aren't using the same version, run 'make oldconfig'. It won't hurt anything if they are the same version. |
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| 01:47.02 | lakcaj | It's pretty pathetic that I have had to resort to running a windows dvd burning app via wine to be able to burn an iso in linux :( |
| 01:47.09 | dasunt | lakcaj: ! |
| 01:47.12 | sylvisj | Guerin.. .Would you happen to know where on the blizzard site, and which blizzard site, the instructions are on? |
| 01:47.14 | dasunt | lakcaj: Esoteric hardware? |
| 01:47.20 | DavidW2 | Hi, so now I was able to setup SSL, but there is one problem. Now my default site on port :80's index.shtml doesn't load |
| 01:47.35 | Guerin | sylvisj: i'd presume on the world of warcrapt site, but i don't really know |
| 01:47.42 | jim | lakcaj: what, didn't read the hardware compatibility list before buying new hardware? I thought no one did that anymore |
| 01:47.42 | bonz | DavidW2: so fussy :P |
| 01:47.43 | lakcaj | no, benq external usb dvd drive. It used to work fine, but now doesn't. I'm just running up to date sarge, nothing crazy. |
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| 01:47.54 | lakcaj | jim: it used to work fine |
| 01:48.03 | Guerin | DavidW2: config error. |
| 01:48.03 | jim | what changed? |
| 01:48.08 | dasunt | lakcaj: SCSI magic set for the kernel? |
| 01:48.12 | sylvisj | Guerin, are you sure they exist? |
| 01:48.12 | DavidW2 | I don't see how setting up one broke the other. I can do a redirect, but then index.shtml doesn't actuall have SSI enabled :/ |
| 01:48.20 | Guerin | sylvisj: yes, I've seen them. |
| 01:48.20 | DavidW2 | I never changed the main config |
| 01:48.24 | lakcaj | dasunt: the kernel didn't change from when it was working |
| 01:48.29 | DAC1138 | lakcaj, ahoy |
| 01:48.31 | DavidW2 | Or even the ssl.conf except for the keys |
| 01:48.35 | Guerin | DavidW2: #apache2 |
| 01:48.37 | sylvisj | Hmm... |
| 01:48.39 | Guerin | err |
| 01:48.40 | lakcaj | DAC1138: hey there! |
| 01:48.41 | Guerin | DavidW2: #apache |
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| 01:48.50 | DAC1138 | lakcaj, trying to figure this kernel panic out still |
| 01:48.57 | Guerin | DavidW2: this is not a debian issue ... consult httpd.apache.org |
| 01:48.58 | dasunt | lakcaj: Well, tonight there is a lunar eclipse. Take a black goat and a blessed knife and see if the goddess digita accepts your sacrifice. |
| 01:49.09 | DavidW2 | It's debian's fault |
| 01:49.12 | lakcaj | dasunt: thanks, I'm on it ;) |
| 01:49.13 | abrotman | it's yours |
| 01:49.20 | Guerin | DavidW2: no, it's your fault for misconfiguring it |
| 01:49.26 | dasunt | DAC1138: You didn't have the right config file, it seems. |
| 01:49.28 | lakcaj | DAC1138: did you use kernel-package? |
| 01:49.31 | DavidW2 | How can I *misconfigure* something I did not configure? |
| 01:49.32 | abrotman | ask #apache or httpd.apache.org |
| 01:49.32 | jim | DAC1138: people have repeatedly suggested approaches... haven't tried em yet? |
| 01:49.35 | Guerin | DavidW2: thousands of people have been able to make it work. |
| 01:49.39 | DAC1138 | lakcaj, no, im using a vanilla kernel |
| 01:49.49 | lakcaj | DAC1138: you still use kernel-package |
| 01:49.50 | Guerin | DavidW2: you altered the working config, and it no longer works. |
| 01:49.53 | servus | !moo |
| 01:49.53 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:49.57 | lakcaj | !tell DAC1138 about kernel-package |
| 01:50.00 | sylvisj | Can't find it, guerin. Search under technical support for 'linux' brings up nothign. |
| 01:50.00 | DAC1138 | dasunt, how so? im using the same config file i used that's worked before with the same vanilla kernel |
| 01:50.08 | DavidW2 | Sorry, I am use to other distros where things work out of the box |
| 01:50.14 | ash_ | anyone know of a limewire source? |
| 01:50.17 | DavidW2 | I never did alter it myself though |
| 01:50.21 | jim | Guerin: not sure that's true: I think he started with a vanilla .config |
| 01:50.23 | lakcaj | ash_: google? |
| 01:50.24 | dasunt | You need to (1) make mrproper. (2) copy the config file over to where you untarred the kernel source. (3) run 'make menuconfig' and verify that you have the right options and (4) make dep && make && make bzImage and (5) copy the new kernel over and do grub magic. |
| 01:50.26 | Guerin | DavidW2: you DID alter SOMETHHING in apache's config. Just because they're all different files doesn't mean they don't affect one another. |
| 01:50.29 | ash_ | lakcaj: ;( |
| 01:50.41 | Guerin | jim: ENOCLUE |
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| 01:50.46 | abrotman | DavidW2: what you're trying to do . .i've done many times .. and it does work .. i'm not sure what you've done |
| 01:50.49 | DavidW2 | Guerin: I only used the provided a2* tools, never manually did I try to do this |
| 01:50.54 | LightVision | Guerin: interesting |
| 01:50.55 | DAC1138 | lakcaj, ive done kernel-package on ubuntu, 5 times, with no luck |
| 01:51.00 | dasunt | DAC1138: When you compile a new kernel, it doesn't use /boot/config, it uses .config in the same directory you compile the kernel in. |
| 01:51.04 | lakcaj | TwistedPBook: download an rpm, convert it to a .deb with alien, and install with dpkg -i |
| 01:51.11 | sbk | Am I correct in thinking that setting SO_KEEPALIVE on a socket is only a boolean toggle? And I cannot change KEEPALIVE timeout settings per-socket, only 'globally' for all sockets with KEEPALIVE toggled on? |
| 01:51.16 | lakcaj | TwistedPBook: I've done it a dozen times, no issues at all |
| 01:51.28 | abrotman | DavidW2: if you disable the module agian .. does it work as expected? |
| 01:51.34 | Guerin | DavidW2: oh, i thought you altered the ssl settings? |
| 01:51.41 | Guerin | LightVision: ? |
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| 01:51.49 | mwilson | Wow... it's definately Sunday night. |
| 01:52.00 | LightVision | Guerin: interesting very intersting |
| 01:52.04 | jim | news? |
| 01:52.24 | abrotman | Guerin: drain bamage |
| 01:52.24 | victor | hola algun buen editor de html??? |
| 01:52.27 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:52.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:52.30 | Guerin | LightVision: i presume you're just strolling again. |
| 01:52.30 | DavidW2 | Ah, oh, I can disable ssl I guess |
| 01:52.30 | abrotman | !bluefish |
| 01:52.31 | dpkg | somebody said bluefish was probably a GTK+ HTML editor for linux at http://bluefish.linuxbox.com/ |
| 01:52.36 | DAC1138 | dasunt, yeah? but the thing is, ive compiled the same kernel, the exact same way on 5 other distros, and it's worked. i get to ubuntu and debian, and i get a kernel panic |
| 01:52.45 | LightVision | Guerin: yes strolling |
| 01:52.45 | jim | yep, sunday nite is what it is... maybe I'll hit another jam session tonite :) |
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| 01:52.56 | DAC1138 | dasunt, same kernel, same config file, same settings |
| 01:52.56 | sylvisj | Guerin, could you aid me in searching for these instructions for Linux installation? |
| 01:53.03 | abrotman | jim: you never play here! |
| 01:53.03 | dasunt | DAC1138: Well, I don't know how it worked then. |
| 01:53.10 | Tortel | goodnight all |
| 01:53.11 | Tortel | :D |
| 01:53.19 | dasunt | DAC1138: Try typing 'make menuconfig' and see if you have the right settings. |
| 01:53.21 | Guerin | sylvisj: nope. Never played warcrapt. |
| 01:53.27 | sylvisj | Craft. |
| 01:53.32 | cockslap | heh i just got back from a jam session |
| 01:53.35 | cockslap | its 4am here |
| 01:53.35 | DAC1138 | dasunt, im 100% sure i have the right settings |
| 01:53.38 | Tortel | UT2k4 demooo |
| 01:53.42 | Tortel | tis fun |
| 01:53.47 | Tortel | and has a linux version |
| 01:53.52 | jim | cockslap: what kind of stuff was played |
| 01:53.52 | abrotman | DAC1138: STOP using the same config . it obviously doesn't work |
| 01:53.52 | dasunt | DAC1138: Then it won't hurt to verify, right? |
| 01:53.58 | DAC1138 | dasunt, like i said, the EXACT same config file (with the correct settings) has worked 2 hours ago on a previous distro |
| 01:54.01 | bucky | victor, google for Nvu |
| 01:54.03 | bucky | !es |
| 01:54.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:54.05 | cockslap | rock/grunge |
| 01:54.16 | cockslap | i play alot of styles |
| 01:54.19 | victor | thank |
| 01:54.19 | dasunt | DAC1138: This is the .config file, right? |
| 01:54.21 | LightVision | !hug Guerin |
| 01:54.24 | bonz | Tortel: aint 2k4 outadate? after all 2k5 is almost over :) |
| 01:54.27 | DAC1138 | abrotman, YES, it DOES work, on mepis, suse, mandriva, slackware, only ubuntu and debian does it not work |
| 01:54.34 | mwilson | DAC1138: How nice, then, that it working on some other distro isn't at all relevant, eh? |
| 01:54.44 | sylvisj | Anyoen know where I can find instructions for installing World of Warcraft on debian? |
| 01:54.46 | bucky | LightVision, how was bluefish? |
| 01:54.49 | DAC1138 | mwilson, no, because unfortunately, the other distros suck |
| 01:54.51 | abrotman | DAC1138: then it's BROKEN! .. make a new one |
| 01:54.58 | jim | !anyoen |
| 01:55.04 | abrotman | !spellcheck jim |
| 01:55.07 | cockslap | jim http://sickfreak.org/~strange/stolen.mp3 |
| 01:55.09 | cockslap | thats me with my band |
| 01:55.13 | cockslap | i do vocals/guitar |
| 01:55.14 | bucky | sylvisj, have you been banned from google? |
| 01:55.17 | LightVision | bucky: great! but I also used Nerscape Composer, it was good too, GUI as well |
| 01:55.23 | sylvisj | Bucky, I'm actively searching on google. |
| 01:55.37 | jim | haven't recorded anything lately |
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| 01:55.52 | mwilson | DAC1138: So, instead of finding out why it doesn't work, and fixing it, your approach is to complain about it until it somehow fixes itself? |
| 01:55.53 | bucky | LightVision, Nvu is kinda like FrontPage Express and works with the mozilla libraries |
| 01:55.59 | cockslap | i spent some time in a studio in august |
| 01:56.00 | Tortel | bonz: tis still fun |
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| 01:56.08 | LightVision | bucky: ok |
| 01:56.22 | zinx | mwilson: if you try exactly the same thing enough times it will eventually work! |
| 01:56.34 | dvs | zinx: That's insane! Really! |
| 01:56.36 | bucky | LightVision, it's based on Composer |
| 01:56.38 | DAC1138 | mwilson, no, because the thing is, i did this on ubuntu, used the same .config file, i got a kernel panic, okay, so i thought a setting was messed up |
| 01:56.39 | sylvisj | I can't seem to find instructions on installing it. |
| 01:56.47 | cockslap | jim did you grab it so i can wipe it again |
| 01:56.51 | DAC1138 | mwilson, so i go back, reconfigure it all from scratch. still get a kernel panic |
| 01:56.51 | jim | oh, I haven't done anything in studio, but I have a coupla mics and a laptop and get pretty good results |
| 01:56.59 | jim | oh, just a sec' |
| 01:57.02 | DAC1138 | mwilson, im not stupid, i know what im talking about. its not "broken" |
| 01:57.02 | zinx | DAC1138: what version of gcc were you using where it worked? |
| 01:57.07 | Guerin | sylvisj: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_and_update_World_Of_Warcraft_with_wine |
| 01:57.09 | zinx | DAC1138: and are you using debian unstable? |
| 01:57.11 | LightVision | bucky: ill try Nvu too then |
| 01:57.15 | abrotman | jim: laptop is much better for recording than a Dual PIII with big fans and scsi drives :) |
| 01:57.21 | mwilson | DAC1138: Of course you have no idea of what you're talking about... otherwise it'd be fixed. |
| 01:57.22 | Guerin | sylvisj: first hit on google world of warcraft linux install |
| 01:57.22 | DAC1138 | zinx, i dont know, whatever the defaul ubuntu hoary and breezy one is, ill find out what mepis was using |
| 01:57.26 | jim | got it |
| 01:57.27 | sylvisj | Thanks, Guerin. What did you use to search? |
| 01:57.37 | zinx | DAC1138: oh, i thought you said it didn't work in ubuntu |
| 01:57.38 | LightVision | bucky: : Couldn't find package nvu |
| 01:57.39 | sylvisj | Ahh. I tried 'world of warcraft on linux' and 'how to install world of warcraft on linux' |
| 01:57.43 | mwilson | DAC1138: I would have thought that'd be obvious. |
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| 01:57.52 | abrotman | zinx: it doesn't matter .. it's freaking broken .. and he refuses to fix it |
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| 01:58.03 | DAC1138 | zinx, it didnt work on ubuntu |
| 01:58.04 | cockslap | let me know what you think |
| 01:58.07 | abrotman | zinx: instead insisting it's debian .. and of course he didn't use make-kpkg either |
| 01:58.07 | bucky | LightVision, http://www.nvu.com/ |
| 01:58.12 | cockslap | the song changes midway through |
| 01:58.14 | cockslap | i start screaming :) |
| 01:58.16 | DAC1138 | zinx, i said ubuntu and debian are the only 2 distros it hasnt worked on |
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| 01:58.18 | jim | abrotman: well unless you can isolate it... in my case I take it out to remote sites and record there |
| 01:58.23 | DAC1138 | zinx, and yes, ive tried it the "debian way". |
| 01:58.26 | mwilson | abrotman: Like that'd make any difference. |
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| 01:58.33 | dariotuseddu | hello |
| 01:58.36 | DAC1138 | i must have sat there all night rebuilding the kernel 6 different ways |
| 01:58.38 | zinx | DAC1138: well, then the questions remain.. are you using debian unstable? and, what version of gcc were you using where it worked? |
| 01:58.39 | dariotuseddu | how are all? |
| 01:58.46 | LightVision | bucky: thanks |
| 01:58.47 | abrotman | jim: my laptop does fine |
| 01:58.52 | DAC1138 | zinx, im using the net install, testing |
| 01:58.54 | abrotman | mwilson: just can make it harder to clean up |
| 01:59.10 | zinx | DAC1138: and i presume you were using gcc 3.x in the other distro |
| 01:59.10 | dariotuseddu | who can install prism 2 wlan? |
| 01:59.26 | DAC1138 | zinx, i cant be sure, but im checking |
| 01:59.32 | Guerin | jim: nope. the herbs and spices are proprietary |
| 01:59.34 | jim | dariotuseddu #prism maybe |
| 01:59.39 | Guerin | jim: it'd be gnu fried chicken |
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| 01:59.47 | abrotman | DAC1138: just humor us all .. try a new config |
| 01:59.47 | Guerin | which sounds just as stupid as chicken fried steak |
| 01:59.51 | DAC1138 | zinx, 3.5.5 on one distro |
| 01:59.51 | cockslap | do you play guitar jim? |
| 02:00.01 | mwilson | zinx: Don't forget that he knows all about it, even though he doesn't even know what compiler he was using. |
| 02:00.01 | jim | no, fretless bass |
| 02:00.01 | dariotuseddu | wats jim? |
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| 02:00.08 | cockslap | cool |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | jim is jim |
| 02:00.10 | dariotuseddu | ia am newvie |
| 02:00.15 | cockslap | you like my stuff? |
| 02:00.19 | mtnman | dariotuseddu: hostap driver works for prism2 |
| 02:00.20 | zinx | DAC1138: try 'env MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4" fakeroot make-kpkg --revision foo binary_arch' instead of whatever you were doing |
| 02:00.24 | DAC1138 | abrotman, i would, but that's take another 4 hours off my cpu time |
| 02:00.31 | DAC1138 | abrotman, and i know, for a fact, it will not work |
| 02:00.37 | jim | can't listen just now... figuring out how much kfc to eat |
| 02:00.44 | DAC1138 | abrotman, but if you think it will help, ill try |
| 02:00.50 | zinx | DAC1138: it's entirely possible gcc-4.0 is broken for your particular kernel configuration |
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| 02:01.06 | LightVision | bucky: you are very kind, thanks |
| 02:01.13 | zinx | oh, do make sure you have gcc-3.4 installed before trying that particular line, too :P |
| 02:01.15 | abrotman | DAC1138: obviously trying the same config repeatedly isn't working .. so what else do you have to lose ? |
| 02:01.17 | mwilson | DAC1138: Yes, you're right... there's no way it can work. Why, all these other people using vanilla kernels on Debian? Just the product of a diseased imagination. |
| 02:01.23 | bonz | DAC1138: thats where distcc is good :) |
| 02:01.24 | Guerin | hrm, i have a computer worth of gameage now |
| 02:01.26 | jim | DAC1138: can you find out what compiler was used on the worjking kernel |
| 02:01.28 | Guerin | well |
| 02:01.32 | dariotuseddu | how to install hostap? |
| 02:01.38 | Guerin | if a p4-2.4 with 384MB and a tnt2 is worthy |
| 02:01.44 | DAC1138 | abrotman, are you keeping up with the proble? ive also said that i thought the config file might be bad when i did it on ubuntu, so i configured it from scratch again |
| 02:01.51 | mtnman | dariotuseddu: run modconf. |
| 02:01.59 | dariotuseddu | ok! |
| 02:02.00 | abrotman | DAC1138: ubuntu != debian |
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| 02:02.02 | bucky | LightVision, that's a binary.. just dump it into /usr/local and make a soft link in /usr/local/bin to /usr/local/nvu-1.0/nvu |
| 02:02.08 | bonz | compile times are greatly reduced by dumping your cpu cycles for compiling onto something faster |
| 02:02.20 | DAC1138 | abrotman, ubuntu = pretty darn close debian |
| 02:02.27 | mwilson | abrotman: Has he even bothered to identify which of the usual kernel panics he's causing for himself? I scrolled back but didn't see. |
| 02:02.30 | abrotman | DAC1138: pretty darn close is not the same |
| 02:02.31 | LightVision | bucky: great :) |
| 02:02.37 | abrotman | mwilson: can't mount / |
| 02:02.44 | Guerin | !norootfs |
| 02:02.44 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
| 02:02.47 | abrotman | mwilson: and he insists he didn't forget anything |
| 02:02.51 | zinx | abrotman: oh, seriously? |
| 02:02.51 | mwilson | abrotman: Oh, is THAT all? |
| 02:02.52 | Guerin | this is not rocket science, people |
| 02:03.01 | zinx | DAC1138: nevermind then, it has nothing at all to do with the compiler |
| 02:03.07 | zinx | DAC1138: your config is broken. |
| 02:03.17 | Guerin | !wayc DAC1138 |
| 02:03.17 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.17 | dpkg | DAC1138: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 02:03.21 | DAC1138 | abrotman, okay, so lets say i build a new kernel, completely from scratch, and i get another kernel panic, then what? |
| 02:03.35 | abrotman | DAC1138: then you learn how to configure it correctly :) |
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| 02:03.36 | bucky | DAC1138, you haven't compiled into the kernel the fs you need either that or use mkinitrd |
| 02:03.36 | Guerin | DAC1138: then you rebuild it, correctly this time. |
| 02:03.41 | zinx | DAC1138: then you *STILL* have a broken config |
| 02:03.44 | Guerin | DAC1138: this is 100% YOUR ERROR. |
| 02:03.47 | jim | many people here don't want to answer about not-debian (and that includes knoppix, demudi, ubuntu, other *ntu) |
| 02:03.56 | dariotuseddu | sorry |
| 02:04.00 | dariotuseddu | modconf not run |
| 02:04.12 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:04.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:04.14 | zinx | jim: Many people don't know how to answer, because most of the questions that get asked about those distros are specific to those distros |
| 02:04.20 | bucky | DAC1138, and your sata controller modules if applicable |
| 02:04.25 | jim | zinx: yes |
| 02:04.30 | mtnman | dariotuseddu: when ou say something doesn't work, you must tell the error message or we cannot help you. |
| 02:04.45 | DAC1138 | would it help if i send you guys my config file so you can SEE it's not broken and i have the proper stuff included? |
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| 02:05.01 | bonz | DAC1138: nup |
| 02:05.09 | dvs | !paster |
| 02:05.09 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 02:05.11 | zinx | DAC1138: no, it's definitely broken.. no need to see it to tell that. |
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| 02:05.15 | abrotman | DAC1138: we don't know your hardware or your filesystems |
| 02:05.17 | mwilson | I really need to sit down and figure out what the maintainer has done now to break the menu package |
| 02:05.30 | abrotman | mwilson: menu-xdg |
| 02:05.31 | jim | yeah, something doesn't work... the error message says "an error occured" |
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| 02:05.36 | abrotman | mwilson: i thought it was broken too |
| 02:05.37 | zinx | DAC1138: why don't you install a stock debian kernel? |
| 02:05.40 | mwilson | abrotman: Excuse me? |
| 02:05.47 | abrotman | !info menu-xdg etch |
| 02:05.51 | dpkg | menu-xdg: (freedesktop.org menu compliant window manager scripts), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2 (etch), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 02:05.52 | gpm | hi again all. i'm trying to set up an nfs server now. i set up a share in exports, and the client can mount it fine. here's the thing: i have a second harddrive mounted in the directory i'm sharing, but if the client cd's to the mountpoint, there's nothing there...any clues about that? |
| 02:06.01 | samuel | whats wrong with the stock debian kernel? i dont know what 75% of all those kernel options mean, why mess with them? |
| 02:06.02 | bucky | DAC1138, apt-get install a 2.6 kernel so you have the right version of modpobe and mkinitrd and all that crap |
| 02:06.04 | mwilson | Why in the world would I want or need menu-xdg? I'm not running Gnomecrap. |
| 02:06.08 | jim | zinx: he wants to enable some laptop stuff in the kernel |
| 02:06.08 | abrotman | mwilson: assuming it's the same error i had |
| 02:06.13 | abrotman | mwilson: it's not just for gnome |
| 02:06.18 | zinx | jim: then he should start with a stock debian kernel + config ;) |
| 02:06.21 | mwilson | You need the -xdg package for *normal* menus? |
| 02:06.21 | abrotman | but whatever .. carry on |
| 02:06.30 | abrotman | !depends menu-xdg |
| 02:06.32 | jim | yeah, like we've been saying the whole timne |
| 02:06.34 | dpkg | menu-xdg: does not depend on anything |
| 02:06.41 | bonz | samuel: thats fine but that's the beauty of choice :) |
| 02:06.44 | bucky | unlimbers? |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | mwilson: can't hurt to try :) |
| 02:06.54 | Guerin | good word, that |
| 02:07.02 | bonz | if you don't want too rcompile your kernel you don't have too |
| 02:07.05 | samuel | bonz, true that |
| 02:07.14 | mwilson | I need the -xdg package to support the standard Debian menu in fvwm. |
| 02:07.15 | mwilson | Hm. |
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| 02:07.40 | bonz | some of us like too for whatever misguided reason we might have |
| 02:08.01 | DAC1138 | bucky, okay, ill try that |
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| 02:08.09 | samuel | bonz, out of curiosity... if you were to build your own kernel with only what you need how big would it be? |
| 02:08.19 | paolob | Hi guys! In my testin with gnome, totem doesn't work: it says that /dev/dsp is in use by another program, which results to be esd. How can I do in order to use totem? thank you! |
| 02:08.26 | bucky | DAC1138, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:08.47 | dvs | samuel: Different computers have different configs |
| 02:09.13 | petemc | paolob: tell totem to use esd, or killall esd |
| 02:09.18 | abrotman | mwilson: why a bug report? |
| 02:09.25 | mwilson | If normal menu-using applications are being required to use the fd.o garbage, you'd think they'd start recommending that package along with the menu package. |
| 02:09.28 | abrotman | mwilson: it's the xorg menu system from what i gather |
| 02:09.37 | bucky | DAC1138, apt-cache search linux-image |
| 02:09.37 | abrotman | mwilson: more like requiring ? |
| 02:09.37 | samuel | bonz, an average desktop computer with sound and graphics and cd, the usual? any ideas? |
| 02:09.48 | mwilson | Even for fd.o, XDG is remarkably stupid. |
| 02:09.58 | paolob | petemc: what program runs esd? gnome? if I kill esd, does gnome sound keep working? |
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| 02:10.31 | bonz | samuel: I seldom build such a kernel so I don't know |
| 02:10.33 | petemc | mwilson: i filed a bug about that a few years ago.. |
| 02:10.38 | abrotman | mwilson: i say . if you're going to install menu .. install menu-xdg .. |
| 02:10.45 | bonz | mine are usually well over the meg |
| 02:10.49 | Guerin | samuel: there is no average |
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| 02:10.58 | abrotman | mwilson: did that fix your issues ? |
| 02:11.05 | bucky | DAC1138, and build your mouse pointer and input device into the kernel so you won't be back here saying your mouse doesn't work |
| 02:11.18 | mwilson | abrotman: I don't use Gnome, I don't use KDE, I don't use XFCE, there should be no reason to require fd.o-crap to be installed. |
| 02:11.24 | bonz | but in the past I have built kernels that fit onto 360k floppies |
| 02:11.25 | samuel | Guerin, hmm... ive not tried to build a kernel in a while, it might be nice to try just out of curiosity... |
| 02:11.26 | mwilson | abrotman: And no, it didn't fix it. |
| 02:11.32 | abrotman | mwilson: xorg is freedesktop.org crap |
| 02:11.39 | bonz | they weren't very useful, but they did boot :) |
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| 02:11.45 | mwilson | No, fd.o hosts it. |
| 02:11.57 | abrotman | then file a bug .. i'm sure it will be quickly closed |
| 02:11.59 | mwilson | They don't control it yet, although I'm sure Havoc is working on that. |
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| 02:12.06 | bucky | mwilson, aren't you an openbox devel ? |
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| 02:12.13 | DAC1138 | bucky, i dont think ill be back saying it doesnt work |
| 02:12.14 | Arusel | hello there |
| 02:12.16 | mwilson | bucky: fsck no, whatever gave you that idea? |
| 02:12.17 | Arusel | I have a question, I've managed to make my irda in my notebook to work to interact with my phone, the problem is that I don't know what tool to use, it's an alcatel phone, there's nothing predefined (tool like gnokii) to use, any ideas? |
| 02:12.17 | DAC1138 | bucky, havent helped any so far |
| 02:12.30 | DAC1138 | but thanks for the help |
| 02:13.01 | bucky | mwilson, i was under the impression you had something to do with it |
| 02:13.26 | paolob | petemc: I killed esd, and now totem works, with sound, but gnome lost the sound. What can I do? |
| 02:13.29 | mwilson | bucky: I use it, but I'm certainly not responsible for it in any way. |
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| 02:13.51 | petemc | paolob: tell totem to use esd, i guess |
| 02:14.13 | dvs | paolob: Configure totem to use esd? (if possible) |
| 02:14.26 | mwilson | In today's age, Gnomecrap *still* can't just talk to the sound support *directly*? |
| 02:14.33 | bucky | that's kind of like #debian... we use it but we're certainly not responsible for it in any way. |
| 02:14.36 | petemc | it can.. |
| 02:14.37 | Bushito | paolob, why dont you change to KDE?? =) |
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| 02:15.38 | bucky | paolob, apt-get remove esd |
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| 02:16.03 | paolob | bucky: but if I remove esd, gnome what sound is going to use? |
| 02:16.15 | bucky | i dunno |
| 02:16.16 | iamsthitha | hey.. does anyone have the taskbar plugin for xfce that you can stick in the xfce panel? |
| 02:16.16 | Guerin | paolob: /dev/null, hopefully |
| 02:16.29 | Guerin | what I don't get is the fact that totem is supposed to be a gnome media player |
| 02:16.46 | mwilson | Guerin: Yes, and is therefore featureless crap. |
| 02:16.47 | Guerin | paolob: you can use esddsp totem to get it to play through esd, I think |
| 02:16.47 | bucky | i blame it on debian |
| 02:16.51 | Guerin | mwilson: right. |
| 02:16.59 | Guerin | i blame gnome, as usual |
| 02:17.10 | mwilson | Guerin: Remember the Gnome Manifesto... "Configurability is Bad" |
| 02:17.17 | bucky | my gnome works flawlessly |
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| 02:17.31 | petemc | gnome is ok.. |
| 02:17.33 | Guerin | bucky: you must be the target audience. |
| 02:17.38 | petemc | fully featured |
| 02:17.46 | Guerin | unfortunately, for those who aren't, it's a pig. |
| 02:17.53 | bucky | Guerin, you're right.. i'm the reason this is all happening |
| 02:18.03 | abrotman | Guerin: what's wrong with totem ? |
| 02:18.22 | bucky | it's all about me |
| 02:18.25 | petemc | its massively over complicated |
| 02:18.36 | Guerin | bucky: don't get a big head, there. |
| 02:18.41 | abrotman | petemc: totem ? |
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| 02:18.47 | petemc | abrotman: aye |
| 02:18.50 | Guerin | abrotman: adds nothing to xine except a bland gui and lots of bugs. |
| 02:18.50 | abrotman | i'd like for them to choose a single backend for totem |
| 02:18.55 | Guerin | oh yeah |
| 02:18.58 | iamsthitha | xfce anyone? |
| 02:19.05 | mwilson | xine already has plenty of its own bugs |
| 02:19.06 | Guerin | and the broken gstreamer support |
| 02:19.07 | abrotman | Guerin: they're supposed to do away with xine as the backend at some point |
| 02:19.17 | jjazz | abrotman, in favor of what? |
| 02:19.21 | mwilson | abrotman: In favor of what? Gstreamer? |
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| 02:19.24 | abrotman | gstreamer |
| 02:19.38 | Guerin | abrotman: wow ... that'll take whatever residual value it has and grind it up to be fed to the gnomes. Lovely. |
| 02:19.45 | abrotman | mwilson: i'm repeating what i was told |
| 02:19.51 | vineet | before I roll my own, is there some package that can detect ssh dictionary attacks and block (e.g. iptables, null-route, tcpwrappers, etc.) the attacking host? |
| 02:20.07 | abrotman | Guerin: who knows .. it may end up being good by Gnome4 :) |
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| 02:20.25 | mwilson | vineet: is there a reason to bother? |
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| 02:20.57 | abrotman | because his usernames are fred,jane,albert,etc |
| 02:20.59 | jim | vineet: not that I know of, but let me know when you're done and if I can have a copy |
| 02:21.02 | vineet | mwilson: I'd like to make logcheck's output a bit more useful while still being aware of the attacks (not ignoring them completely) |
| 02:21.48 | Guerin | vineet: run your sshd on port 2222 |
| 02:21.55 | petemc | vineet: iptables and the relativley new "recent" module |
| 02:21.56 | Guerin | vineet: problem solved |
| 02:21.56 | jim | one problem is that evidently sshd gives a different response when there is a user by the tried name |
| 02:22.13 | petemc | no pun intended |
| 02:22.17 | mwilson | vI thought that was fixed long ago. |
| 02:22.25 | petemc | nope |
| 02:22.27 | vineet | petemc: thanks, I'll look into that |
| 02:22.43 | vineet | Guerin: a good idea, but probably not worth the inconvenience to my system's other users |
| 02:22.46 | jim | mwilson: hmm, in sarge? |
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| 02:22.59 | petemc | that works |
| 02:23.01 | Bushito | i am having problems debian doesnt emule the surround system of card.... |
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| 02:23.38 | vineet | thanks for the suggestions |
| 02:23.39 | mwilson | vineet: What other users? If they're *nix users, configuring their local copy of ssh to find your sshd is a no-brainer. |
| 02:23.40 | Guerin | hell:~# grep -i invalid /var/log/auth.log|wc -l |
| 02:23.41 | Guerin | hell:~# |
| 02:23.46 | abrotman | was that even english? |
| 02:24.00 | dvs | !confuse abrotman |
| 02:24.01 | dpkg | Yes, those are their badger yesterday, abrotman? trousers of the republic of tibet with extra crabpaste |
| 02:24.07 | petemc | Guerin: you might want a c in there |
| 02:24.09 | abrotman | dvs: not me .. Bushito |
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| 02:24.40 | Guerin | !ops obvious |
| 02:24.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: obvious |
| 02:24.44 | petemc | !seen phated |
| 02:24.45 | dpkg | phated is currently on #debian (1d 23h 10m 14s). Has said a total of 55480 messages. Is idling for 11h 6m 24s |
| 02:24.50 | dvs | "emule the surround system of card"? |
| 02:24.52 | Guerin | petemc: ? |
| 02:24.58 | Phated | I'm alive, I'm alive. |
| 02:25.09 | vineet | mwilson: various users ... yes, I could have them all reconfigure their clients, but the additional burden on me isn't worth the trouble I'd save in logcheck messages |
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| 02:25.14 | jim | glad to hear it |
| 02:25.20 | jim | twice even |
| 02:25.23 | gravity | Hrm, too late |
| 02:25.35 | vineet | mwilson: in terms of responding to "I can't connect anymore" emails, calls, etc |
| 02:25.35 | abrotman | gravity: don't stray too far |
| 02:25.48 | wotnarg | is there a package that installs a basic dev enviroment, (compilers, libs, etc), or do I have to hunt them down myself? |
| 02:26.01 | petemc | Guerin: i assumed you wanted to show how many dictionary attacks you recieved.. |
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| 02:26.13 | dvs | wotnarg: build-essentials |
| 02:26.14 | abrotman | !tell Kinuxis about root |
| 02:26.19 | wotnarg | dvs: Thanks ;) |
| 02:26.20 | petemc | wotnarg: build-essential, otherwise <package>-dev |
| 02:26.21 | bucky | wotnarg tasksel |
| 02:26.26 | Guerin | petemc: yeh |
| 02:26.28 | mwilson | vineet: Yes, I suppose so... if you're an incompetent admin who doesn't prepare for changes before making them. |
| 02:26.38 | nvz | gravity: its not too late. it hasnt happened again ... yet |
| 02:26.42 | dvs | wotnarg: no prob |
| 02:26.45 | jim | wotnarg: build-essential gives you at least enough to build the kernel and basic c/c++ things |
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| 02:27.06 | abrotman | gravity: !! |
| 02:27.06 | petemc | right, its almost 3:30, should i open this bottle of wine? |
| 02:27.09 | nvz | here comes |
| 02:27.13 | jjazz | petemc, am or pm? |
| 02:27.15 | jim | other than that install whatever -dev libs |
| 02:27.16 | bucky | gravity, francesco (n=hehe@host221-126.pool8290.interbusiness.it) has joined #debian |
| 02:27.16 | petemc | am |
| 02:27.20 | francesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.25 | bucky | he just joined again |
| 02:27.27 | Guerin | petemc: do you have work in the morning |
| 02:27.31 | chealer | gj |
| 02:27.31 | petemc | nope |
| 02:27.35 | Guerin | gravity: why didn't you just ban the fucker? |
| 02:27.36 | jim | he just got taken care of too :) |
| 02:27.36 | petemc | took the day off |
| 02:27.46 | abrotman | Guerin: been k-lined .. doesn't matter |
| 02:27.51 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:28.06 | vineet | mwilson: not wanting to inconvenience my dad doesn't make me incompetent, tyvm. I'm just saying, even if I warn everyone, and help them reconfigure their clients, it's not worth switching to port 2222 for me. Thanks. |
| 02:28.28 | petemc | vineet: enforce strong passwords and you should be ok |
| 02:28.51 | Guerin | petemc: oh, I see |
| 02:28.55 | Guerin | grep -ci |
| 02:29.02 | petemc | aye |
| 02:29.12 | Guerin | instead of grep -i |wc -l |
| 02:29.16 | petemc | yup :) |
| 02:29.17 | Guerin | old habits die hard |
| 02:29.44 | petemc | that they certainly do |
| 02:30.00 | Bushito | ahh it doesnt work =) |
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| 02:30.29 | Guerin | so ... who's going to rush out and buy a video ipod? |
| 02:30.40 | nvz | not me |
| 02:30.48 | Bushito | video ipod?? |
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| 02:30.52 | petemc | ive been watching video on my greyscal ipod for some time |
| 02:30.52 | nvz | I got my eyes focused on a Zaurus |
| 02:31.04 | abrotman | nvz: you like that idea now eh ? |
| 02:31.26 | petemc | http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/Video003.3gp |
| 02:31.35 | nvz | abrotman: I liked it 2 years ago just never could find one. If I can find one when I have the money I am probably going to get one |
| 02:31.43 | Guerin | i already have an ikillah whose video-playing functionality I'll probably never use |
| 02:32.05 | abrotman | nvz: ok .. i think there might even be a channel for them on freenode |
| 02:32.11 | Guerin | there is |
| 02:32.19 | Guerin | and the blokes in there are pretty sharp, too |
| 02:32.23 | Guerin | if you'll excuse the pun |
| 02:32.26 | abrotman | punintended! |
| 02:32.34 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:32.35 | dpkg | <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night |
| 02:32.35 | nvz | heh |
| 02:33.14 | petemc | fuck it, im opening this wine |
| 02:33.36 | petemc | ill let morning guy worry about it, nightguy doesnt care |
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| 02:33.58 | abrotman | take you riding in my car car .... |
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| 02:34.50 | nvz | !qptd139 |
| 02:34.59 | Guerin | nvz: pwned |
| 02:35.02 | Bushito | lol do linux got tv??, cause ive join a channel that the nameis linux tv (O_O) |
| 02:35.04 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:35.06 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:35.07 | dpkg | <yevgeniy2> !sest <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test -!- yevgeniy2 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood] <dpkg> No, yevgeniy2, you're not online any more. |
| 02:35.11 | Guerin | Bushito: ask them |
| 02:35.21 | Bushito | they dont answer =/ |
| 02:35.22 | nvz | !qotd139 |
| 02:35.23 | dpkg | hmm... qotd139 is <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off |
| 02:35.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:35.29 | Guerin | Bushito: maybe they're all watching tv |
| 02:35.38 | petemc | heh |
| 02:35.38 | glitch- | where can i find the ppp.conf?when i do pppoeconf..it surely make a .conf?where? |
| 02:35.41 | jim | !qotd1 |
| 02:35.41 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 02:35.47 | pitel | they use lycoris? |
| 02:35.50 | abrotman | glitch-: /etc/pppoe .. maybe? |
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| 02:36.05 | jim | yeah, that's worth the top slot :) |
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| 02:36.10 | jim | npi :) |
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| 02:36.24 | Bushito | Guerin: lol =) |
| 02:36.29 | abrotman | !qotd90 |
| 02:36.29 | dpkg | somebody said qotd90 was <rituraj> which disks have probs? sata? <directhex|work> rituraj, whatever's in my laptop, and i've heard people with i915 desktops failing installation <jim> then buy a controller put it in the pci slot and be done with it <directhex|work> jim, what a fucking useless waste of time and money for all concerned <directhex|work> jim, and handily, there are hundreds of pci disk controllers for laptops, aren't there |
| 02:36.29 | Guerin | jim: it's not there because it's the best ... it's there because it's the first |
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| 02:36.54 | QuetK | hey, anybody uses jedit?? |
| 02:36.58 | abrotman | i did |
| 02:36.59 | abrotman | once |
| 02:37.03 | Guerin | hah |
| 02:37.16 | abrotman | QuetK: why? |
| 02:37.16 | QuetK | you know how to uses, jmail plugin on gmail? |
| 02:37.23 | abrotman | ha ... no |
| 02:37.31 | abrotman | isn't there a #jedit ? |
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| 02:37.48 | Bushito | JDE? =P |
| 02:37.51 | nvz | right next to jomama |
| 02:37.54 | QuetK | dunnot let me try |
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| 02:38.15 | jim | I vaguely remember that exchange... |
| 02:38.35 | abrotman | wtf was that? |
| 02:38.51 | petemc | its still sunday in some places |
| 02:38.51 | jim | abrotman: BEGIN { |
| 02:38.57 | abrotman | jim: i don't remember half the things attributed to me |
| 02:39.23 | Guerin | !famous last words |
| 02:39.23 | dpkg | <SquireCD> deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib <tarzeau> SquireCD: YOUR SOURCES.LIST IS WRONG! <SquireCD> tarzeau: WTF is wrong with it? <greycat> for one thing, it says "unstable". <SquireCD> yes it does, and it's always worked <SquireCD> for 3 years it's been fine <SquireCD> i have contrib in my sources, what does that do? |
| 02:39.42 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
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| 02:39.50 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:39.55 | nvz | heh |
| 02:39.57 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: staff had him klined |
| 02:40.02 | Lee__ | are there any terminals that have tabs which aren't [gnome|kde]-terminal? |
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| 02:40.17 | vineet | Lee__: do you know screen? |
| 02:40.19 | Guerin | Lee__: many. apt-cache search temrinal emulator |
| 02:40.19 | abrotman | hahaha |
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| 02:40.28 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@201.7.63.84] by dondelelcaro |
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| 02:40.37 | Lee__ | vineet, yeah. that could work. |
| 02:40.53 | Lee__ | I learned all the gnome-terminal keyboard shortcuts :) |
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| 02:41.19 | bonz | Lee__: sounds painful |
| 02:41.21 | jim | if I recall correctly, the guy had a sata controller that was not supported by 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 so I suggested that if he had a pata drive laying around he could start by putting that and a controller in there |
| 02:41.29 | vineet | Lee__: not quite the same, but nearly, if you set it to always show the window titles |
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| 02:42.02 | ffff | mwilson is a gay nigger. phated doing HIS ass. gnaa owned freenode on friday. |
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| 02:42.17 | nvz | heh |
| 02:42.21 | abrotman | !ops ffff (n=heh@196.15.164.158) |
| 02:42.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ffff (n=heh@196.15.164.158) |
| 02:42.25 | glitch- | abrotman:SiD:/etc/ppp/peers# pon |
| 02:42.25 | petemc | strong words |
| 02:42.33 | glitch- | abrotman:/usr/sbin/pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/provider: unrecognized option '/dev/modem' |
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| 02:42.39 | glitch- | abrotman:nothing in /etc/pppoe |
| 02:42.41 | jim | pussy was too scared to stay |
| 02:42.44 | cheal | glitch-: # pon dsl-provider |
| 02:42.49 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@196.15.164.158] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:42.57 | abrotman | glitch-: you don't have a /dev/modem ? |
| 02:43.00 | Lee__ | vineet, mrxtv looks simple |
| 02:43.00 | jaccon | ola a todos |
| 02:43.16 | petemc | jim: you think hanging around would have made it any less of an idiot? |
| 02:43.21 | vineet | Lee__: haven't used it, but it probably is |
| 02:43.26 | abrotman | isn't it a school night ? |
| 02:43.39 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:43.43 | Lee__ | he's a bad boy |
| 02:44.19 | jaccon | hi guys .... please i need help to configure SAMBA 3.x to share volumes for OS X 10.4 lan |
| 02:44.44 | abrotman | jaccon: wrong channel ? |
| 02:44.50 | jim | no... but he wasn;t ballsy enough to stay and be kicked |
| 02:44.51 | abrotman | oh |
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| 02:44.57 | bonz | hmm thought that would be a #samba issue |
| 02:45.02 | abrotman | jaccon: samba.org has some docs that might help |
| 02:45.43 | jaccon | i configure the samba but while connect the tiger dont connect |
| 02:45.55 | glitch- | ty cheal |
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| 02:45.57 | Guerin | samba? tiger? |
| 02:46.01 | glitch- | abrotman no i dont have |
| 02:46.06 | abrotman | have what? |
| 02:46.10 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:46.12 | Guerin | is he talking about little black sambo and the tiger which turned into butter? |
| 02:46.25 | abrotman | glitch-: you have to specify a provider with pon |
| 02:46.30 | petemc | jaccon: fire up console in utlities, it should at least give you an error message |
| 02:46.37 | jaccon | i know the Samba configuration but for Tiger clients the 3.0 version dont connect |
| 02:46.43 | jim | unless you use that default provider thing |
| 02:46.50 | abrotman | samba.org ? |
| 02:46.55 | david_ | I'm using cdrdao to copy audio cd to hard drive. It appears this is making a *.bin file. I think I need an iso file though? Anyway to convert? options on cdrecord to use? |
| 02:47.20 | jaccon | the /var/log/samba/log.smbd or /var/log/syslog dont write the error codes ... |
| 02:47.31 | bonz | man cdrecord perhaps? |
| 02:47.32 | jaccon | this is problem... |
| 02:47.34 | abrotman | samba.org ? |
| 02:47.50 | jim | david_: looks like you're using a burner thing to -read- from a cd |
| 02:47.53 | petemc | jaccon: isnt it in /private/var/.. ? |
| 02:48.01 | jaccon | the Linux clients and windows client .. connect Ok ... |
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| 02:48.47 | abrotman | jaccon: sounds like a mac problem .. ask #osx |
| 02:48.54 | petemc | jaccon: there were problems with early versions of tiger and samba, are you fully up to date? |
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| 02:49.32 | cheal | abrotman: actually specifying a provider isn't necessary, but the default provider isn't affected by pppoeconf. IMHO there might a bug or a "usability bug" since ppp_on_boot was deprecated |
| 02:49.43 | abrotman | cheal: i don't even use pppoe :) |
| 02:50.06 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.33 | cheal | abrotman: I know, just to tell you because most likely this isn't the first person with that problem |
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| 02:50.47 | cheal | and won't be the last :) |
| 02:50.52 | jaccon | i find the os x documentation but dont found none docs |
| 02:50.53 | abrotman | cheal: and from now on .. i'll direct all people with pppoe issues to you :) |
| 02:51.01 | abrotman | #osx ? |
| 02:51.07 | cheal | abrotman: hehehe. I'm not yet sure if I should file a bug |
| 02:51.16 | abrotman | i am a bug! |
| 02:51.38 | david_ | bonz: man page assumes file is an iso file |
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| 02:51.47 | cheal | abrotman: oh. yeah, bugs are tiny but can be really annoying...I suppose you could be one |
| 02:51.57 | abrotman | see! |
| 02:52.00 | abrotman | you all abuse me! |
| 02:52.07 | abrotman | bah .. here comes another i think |
| 02:52.10 | petemc | gah |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:52.13 | petemc | fax.. |
| 02:52.18 | abrotman | don't fax me! |
| 02:52.18 | petemc | jesus |
| 02:52.20 | petemc | fix |
| 02:52.22 | bonz | abrotman: is that not your purpose in life? |
| 02:52.23 | jaccon | the OS X 10.2 and 10.3 connect OK ... i believe the problems is 10.4 os.. |
| 02:52.25 | abrotman | !fix petemc |
| 02:52.30 | petemc | :) |
| 02:52.33 | abrotman | jaccon: ask #osx |
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| 02:52.49 | jaccon | ok thanks... |
| 02:52.50 | cheal | !bspize abrotman |
| 02:52.59 | abrotman | !prise cheal |
| 02:53.06 | CaT_MaN|away | from where can I control the number of chars in columns of output in the ls command |
| 02:53.21 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: from looking at the ls man page, perhaps |
| 02:53.29 | abrotman | jkern: and ? |
| 02:53.39 | dasunt | Sorry about that, on the phone. |
| 02:53.46 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: or set $COLUMNS |
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| 02:53.57 | jkern | abrotman, He was an exterminator -- joking eh. |
| 02:54.03 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:54.03 | CaT_MaN|away | i've looked... and try to set LS_COLWIDTHS |
| 02:54.05 | abrotman | i didn't know that |
| 02:54.10 | CaT_MaN|away | but without success.. |
| 02:54.16 | abrotman | or fine .. ignore me |
| 02:54.21 | dasunt | DAC1138 ever get his problem solved? |
| 02:54.29 | CaT_MaN|away | there is not example on man page |
| 02:54.30 | abrotman | he went away |
| 02:54.32 | bonz | Whats the deal with all the security warnings on certain debian packages? |
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| 02:54.55 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: there's an option to ls, at the very least. the manpage i have says nothing about "LS_COLWIDTHS" |
| 02:54.55 | CaT_MaN|away | and the google nothing tells me |
| 02:55.02 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: or set $COLUMNS |
| 02:55.40 | CaT_MaN|away | abrotman $COLUMNS is variable which chagne when you change your resolution |
| 02:55.50 | CaT_MaN|away | this is not my variable |
| 02:55.57 | abrotman | ok .. fine .. ignore it . i don't care .. not my problem |
| 02:56.10 | dasunt | bonz: And do you have time to look through the entire linux kernel source, xf86source, or KDE/gnome source for holes? |
| 02:56.27 | zinx | can't see the option in the manpage, refuses to use the env var listed in the info page, and makes up his own variables that don't exist anywhere |
| 02:56.28 | zinx | <3 |
| 02:56.45 | CaT_MaN|away | if you dont know how to slove my problem, please dont give wrong help for me |
| 02:57.22 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: your problem has been solved, you're just too hard-headed to realize it. |
| 02:57.34 | abrotman | i gave you the coreect answer .. if you choose to ignore .. don't whine |
| 02:57.43 | CaT_MaN|away | zinx how ? |
| 02:57.50 | abrotman | holy crap |
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| 02:57.53 | bonz | dasunt: nope but was just wondering why the change in attitude of user beware too user annoy |
| 02:58.36 | dasunt | bonz: "user annoy"? |
| 02:58.46 | Celaborn | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/torrents/i386/ is the "testing" version of debian, correct? Which one is simply the install cd? |
| 02:58.50 | jkern | CaT_MaN|away, http://www.ss64.com/bash/lsenv.html |
| 02:59.06 | abrotman | Celaborn: debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 02:59.40 | abrotman | Celaborn: are you trying to install etch/testing ? |
| 02:59.43 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: <abrotman> CaT_MaN|away: or set $COLUMNS .. or by using the command line option listed prominently in the manpage, easily searchable via the word "width". either works fine. |
| 03:00.07 | abrotman | zinx: oh .. NO .. i was wrong .. i'm an idiot !!! |
| 03:00.24 | CaT_MaN|away | jkern: I've read it. but there is not examples, how to set the variable LS_COLWIDTHS |
| 03:00.28 | Celaborn | abrotman, I'm not sure, I just wanted to try Debian, and I keep hearing you should use the testing version rather than stable |
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| 03:00.30 | bonz | dasunt: To continue, enter "Yes"; to abort, enter "No": |
| 03:00.38 | CaT_MaN|away | why in man pages not examples.. |
| 03:00.41 | abrotman | Celaborn: to start .. we recommend stable |
| 03:00.45 | dasunt | Heh. |
| 03:00.49 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: LS_COLWIDTHS is not what you want anyway |
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| 03:01.18 | CaT_MaN|away | zinx: why did you think it is not what I want ? |
| 03:01.19 | abrotman | Celaborn: things can break badly in testing and unstable |
| 03:01.23 | dasunt | It could be worse -- look at older versions of windows during install. prompt-reboot-thrash-prompt-reboot-thrash-etc. |
| 03:01.49 | witless | modules e100 and eth1394 load at bootup, which breaks my ethernet. how can i prevent them from loading? |
| 03:01.50 | bonz | in the past it was a case of if your using unstable you should expect it too break badly & not be trusted :) |
| 03:02.00 | cheal | !tell witless about blacklist |
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| 03:02.01 | bonz | thats part of the fun of it |
| 03:02.21 | CaT_MaN|away | I have problems with diferend number of chars on the file size column |
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| 03:02.33 | dasunt | bonz: I'm old -- I stick with stable now, with very few select backports. |
| 03:02.37 | CaT_MaN|away | I want to set a default minimum characters on this column |
| 03:02.52 | bonz | dasunt: chicken :) |
| 03:02.53 | abrotman | bonz: lots of stuff flowing into testing now |
| 03:02.57 | witless | cheal: thx |
| 03:03.03 | witless | testing... |
| 03:03.20 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: then here's an example. env LS_COLWIDTHS=40:40 ls |
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| 03:03.34 | bonz | abrotman: I usually stick with unstable & stble, hardly ever toch testing |
| 03:03.44 | CaT_MaN|away | zinx I will test |
| 03:03.55 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: it doesn't do what you want it to do |
| 03:04.10 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: it's for the columns of a single file |
| 03:04.17 | bonz | I dont have a regular enough net connection majority of time |
| 03:04.34 | bonz | if sid breaks badly I just use stable |
| 03:04.34 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: i.e., when you're listing more than just the filenames |
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| 03:05.06 | bonz | usually it's fine though, just a case of rolling back till it works again |
| 03:05.48 | petemc | rolling back? |
| 03:05.54 | r3gii | exit |
| 03:06.09 | jkern | CaT_MaN|away, http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:IcAQY2C2-qMJ:www.geocrawler.com/mail/msg_raw.php3%3Fmsg_id%3D621597+LS_COLWIDTHS&hl=en&lr=lang_en&client=firefox |
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| 03:06.52 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: the ls in debian doesn't appear to support it, in any case |
| 03:07.18 | CaT_MaN|away | jkern: I think this is the key of my issue |
| 03:07.20 | CaT_MaN|away | thanks |
| 03:07.54 | petemc | CaT_MaN|away: you could always pipe the ouput of ls to something else |
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| 03:08.40 | jkern | petemc, a good use for awk, I think |
| 03:08.51 | petemc | one of many |
| 03:08.56 | zbadone | I recently installed debian -Testing- onto a friends computer, remember seeing a project management software title, cant remember the name, any idea? |
| 03:08.59 | CaT_MaN|away | I know.. but I have a php script which read from the output form this command |
| 03:09.13 | petemc | zbadone: mrproject, perhaps |
| 03:09.21 | zbadone | sort of like a time line scheduler |
| 03:09.27 | petemc | which may have changed its anme |
| 03:09.29 | petemc | name |
| 03:09.33 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: why not use ls -1 |
| 03:09.33 | bonz | petemc: yup too earlier versions that aint broke |
| 03:09.39 | abrotman | or ls -s ? |
| 03:09.52 | bonz | or don't require something you don't have |
| 03:09.53 | zbadone | petemc: that was quick! |
| 03:09.55 | Phated | ls -1 doesn't do anything with columns, does it? |
| 03:10.05 | zinx | Phated: ls -1 lists one file per line |
| 03:10.17 | Phated | Ah, is that what he was trying to do? |
| 03:10.18 | zinx | though to be completely honest with you |
| 03:10.18 | petemc | zbadone: im pretty sure mrproject has changed its name.. |
| 03:10.27 | zinx | i have *NO CLUE* why he's calling ls from php to get a file list |
| 03:10.29 | abrotman | zinx: ls -s does |
| 03:10.32 | zbadone | but it gives me something to search on! |
| 03:10.45 | abrotman | zinx: because .. he doesn't know how to code PHP? :) |
| 03:10.54 | zinx | abrotman: ls -s just lists the number of blocks :/ |
| 03:11.03 | petemc | zinx: i had a client recently, only had ftp access, had to use some php to dump the db |
| 03:11.07 | abrotman | he wants file size? |
| 03:11.13 | zinx | he does? |
| 03:11.17 | abrotman | i'm asking |
| 03:11.23 | jkern | I don't know what CaT_MaN|away is trying to do, not sure anyone else does either at this point. |
| 03:11.27 | servus | Clients with only FTP access on their hosts anger me. Infuriate me! |
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| 03:11.44 | zinx | jkern: he's trying to use PHP to get a directory listing, in an extremely roundabout way, as far as I can make out |
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| 03:11.50 | abrotman | !tell encompass about root |
| 03:11.58 | CaT_MaN|away | abrotman: why I must change all source form my program, because i dont know how to set this number of chars of the column of the file size |
| 03:12.09 | CaT_MaN|away | this works on redhat as well |
| 03:12.09 | petemc | servus: this was a company that parted with their last I.T person on bad terms.. |
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| 03:12.15 | zbadone | petemc: its now called -Planner- |
| 03:12.18 | CaT_MaN|away | why this is not work on debian ? |
| 03:12.18 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: can you show us a sample line that is causing the problem ? |
| 03:12.21 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: try /usr/share/doc/phpdoc/html/ref.dir.html |
| 03:12.40 | zbadone | petemc: thanks for the quick reply! |
| 03:12.43 | servus | petemc: I'm just saying, some clients have the most miserable hosts that will not support what they want us to build for them, yet they absolutely refuse to change. |
| 03:12.48 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: or /usr/share/doc/phpdoc/html/ref.filesystem.html |
| 03:12.59 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: depending on what exactly it is that you want to do |
| 03:13.06 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: there should be no reason to call ls from php |
| 03:13.06 | petemc | servus: thems the brakes, you have to adapt :) |
| 03:13.21 | petemc | computers are useless, they can only give you answers |
| 03:13.23 | servus | Adapt to PHP3? |
| 03:13.42 | CaT_MaN|away | zinx: it is simple, I just want to set default numbers of chars of the colum of the file size on ls output |
| 03:13.45 | CaT_MaN|away | nothing else |
| 03:13.50 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: can you show us a line ? |
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| 03:14.04 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: whatever :/ |
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| 03:14.17 | CaT_MaN|away | abrotman |
| 03:14.18 | CaT_MaN|away | ls -m -a -c -l -X -R --full-time /mnt/hdd/debian/ > mnthdddebian.files |
| 03:14.19 | CaT_MaN|away | ls -m -a -c -l -X -R --full-time /home/dopetune/pub_html/ > homedopetunepubilchml.files |
| 03:14.27 | abrotman | no .. i need a line of the output! |
| 03:14.31 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: your script is obviously parsing the ls output, or you wouldn't care, and it shouldn't be parsing ls output.. there are php functions to give all of that information |
| 03:14.33 | CaT_MaN|away | i use this method to index the files |
| 03:14.42 | servus | find / |
| 03:14.43 | r3gii | hi, i install pidentd but when i connect to servers i have this message :no identd (auth) response - what should i do? |
| 03:14.46 | petemc | CaT_MaN|away: you can group options together |
| 03:14.53 | abrotman | petemc: too confusing! |
| 03:15.06 | abrotman | index the files ? .. like updatedb;locate ? |
| 03:15.13 | CaT_MaN|away | ues |
| 03:15.16 | CaT_MaN|away | yes |
| 03:15.27 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: so show us hte output you're trying to fix |
| 03:15.32 | CaT_MaN|away | I write every file name and directory on database |
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| 03:15.38 | bonz | has anyone ever come across a pcmcia tv-tuner or similar, preferably that worked with debian, but I aint seen any let alone debian friendly |
| 03:15.41 | CaT_MaN|away | okay |
| 03:15.45 | abrotman | just one line! |
| 03:15.53 | CaT_MaN|away | my php function is little static |
| 03:16.04 | abrotman | don't care about PHP |
| 03:16.08 | abrotman | i want to see the output |
| 03:16.15 | TonyMntna | i'm having trouble installing java in debian i get an error that says "no matching Plugine found" |
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| 03:16.23 | zinx | abrotman: i think his php assumes fixed-width fields of a certain size |
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| 03:16.33 | abrotman | zinx: well .. tht'd be dumb :) |
| 03:16.33 | zinx | abrotman: debian ls adjusts field sizes to whatever they need to be |
| 03:16.39 | zinx | abrotman: well, the whole thing is dumb |
| 03:16.40 | abrotman | !tell TonyMntna about install java |
| 03:16.44 | CaT_MaN|away | /mnt/hdd/debian/debian-cd: |
| 03:16.44 | CaT_MaN|away | total 4452400 |
| 03:16.44 | CaT_MaN|away | drwxr-xr-x 2 755 root 4096 2005-02-21 01:13:41.000000000 +0200 . |
| 03:16.44 | CaT_MaN|away | drwxr-xr-x 5 755 root 4096 2005-02-21 01:13:41.000000000 +0200 .. |
| 03:16.45 | CaT_MaN|away | -rw-r--r-- 1 755 root 678395904 2005-02-21 01:13:41.000000000 +0200 debian-30r1-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso |
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| 03:16.49 | abrotman | ONE LINE! |
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| 03:16.58 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: use explode .. problem solved |
| 03:17.00 | Bushito | =) |
| 03:17.01 | abrotman | or .. |
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| 03:17.04 | abrotman | pass it to awk |
| 03:17.05 | CaT_MaN|away | /mnt/hdd/debian/kernels: |
| 03:17.05 | CaT_MaN|away | total 114840 |
| 03:17.05 | CaT_MaN|away | drwxr-xr-x 2 755 root 4096 2005-02-21 01:13:41.000000000 +0200 . |
| 03:17.05 | CaT_MaN|away | drwxr-xr-x 5 755 root 4096 2005-02-21 01:13:41.000000000 +0200 .. |
| 03:17.05 | CaT_MaN|away | -rw-r--r-- 1 755 root 38170894 2005-02-21 01:13:41.000000000 +0200 linux-2.4.26.tar.gz |
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| 03:17.08 | servus | lol |
| 03:17.12 | CaT_MaN|away | here |
| 03:17.13 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: STOP |
| 03:17.16 | CaT_MaN|away | okay |
| 03:17.20 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: use explode .. problem solved |
| 03:17.22 | abrotman | pass it to awk |
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| 03:17.25 | servus | What is he trying to do? |
| 03:17.26 | drakh | hi guys |
| 03:17.30 | drakh | is this a hard link or a soft link: |
| 03:17.30 | Bushito | -_-` |
| 03:17.32 | drakh | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2005-10-16 13:08 S20ntop -> ../init.d/ntop |
| 03:17.36 | servus | You can use `find` to return a specially formatted string for every file. |
| 03:17.43 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: there are tons of ways to get around that .. explode() in PHP is one .. and passing your LS to awk is another |
| 03:17.54 | abrotman | err `ls` |
| 03:18.01 | zinx | drakh: hard links are difficult to tell from normal files |
| 03:18.05 | zinx | drakh: that's soft |
| 03:18.06 | servus | find / -printf "%p" |
| 03:18.14 | drakh | zinx, thanks |
| 03:18.19 | CaT_MaN|away | I can use awk print $1 $2 ... |
| 03:18.30 | drakh | I made a new init.d script for my iptables rules, I want the softlink to be called S21iptables |
| 03:18.42 | abrotman | yes .. |
| 03:18.44 | drakh | how do I like it to my iptables script located in /root/iptables |
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| 03:18.50 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: though i think explode is a better way to do it |
| 03:18.50 | drakh | *link |
| 03:19.00 | CaT_MaN|away | but my quoteion is where can I change F*** number of chars in f.... column |
| 03:19.08 | petemc | drakh: man ln, its not complicated |
| 03:19.09 | CaT_MaN|away | why I can do that ? |
| 03:19.11 | abrotman | drakh: read the readme in /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 03:19.11 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: you shouldn't need to, and you can't |
| 03:19.13 | r3gii | pleease, there is no man page about pidentd, can anybody help me? |
| 03:19.19 | r3gii | i install pidentd but when i connect to servers i have this message :no identd (auth) response - what should i do? |
| 03:19.21 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: afaik .. you can't |
| 03:19.22 | drakh | thanks pete |
| 03:19.35 | CaT_MaN|away | :( |
| 03:19.35 | abrotman | and i haven't seen that in any unix/linux |
| 03:19.35 | drakh | I haven't had to make links before is all |
| 03:19.38 | servus | What does he even mean, the number of characters? Ambiguity is not good for IRC questions. |
| 03:19.44 | glitch- | how do i know which version of a package is going to install apt-get? i do apt-cache search package and i get the list of package but without a version number |
| 03:19.47 | petemc | r3gii: is it running? check port 113 |
| 03:19.55 | jst99 | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 03:19.55 | abrotman | glitch-: apt-cache show |
| 03:19.59 | CaT_MaN|away | there is no problem with redhat.. why this problem is on debian |
| 03:20.01 | CaT_MaN|away | :( |
| 03:20.14 | r3gii | petemc how can i do that? |
| 03:20.23 | pete_ | is it diffcult to upgrade from potato to woody? |
| 03:20.24 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: because you have different sized fields on redhat, most likely |
| 03:20.26 | petemc | r3gii: netstat, lsof.. |
| 03:20.36 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: fix your PHP or use awk .. it's really not tha thard |
| 03:20.38 | abrotman | that hard |
| 03:20.39 | CaT_MaN|away | zinx: No! |
| 03:20.56 | CaT_MaN|away | zinx: the same directories, and the same files.. |
| 03:21.03 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: did you try -t ? |
| 03:21.04 | servus | WHat is CaT_MaN|away even trying to get? |
| 03:21.14 | zinx | CaT_MaN|away: same users too? |
| 03:21.15 | abrotman | servus: a list of files |
| 03:21.25 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: or -w ? |
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| 03:21.31 | drakh | thanks pete |
| 03:21.37 | drakh | help for even the simple stuff is appreciated |
| 03:21.39 | zinx | servus: a very touchy php script, apparently |
| 03:21.40 | servus | Good grief. There are a zillion ways to get a list of files in any format you want. I already gave an excellent solution |
| 03:21.42 | abrotman | i vote for -T |
| 03:21.54 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: i meant -T ..not -t |
| 03:22.08 | CaT_MaN|away | abrotman I've tried from 3 hours |
| 03:22.13 | CaT_MaN|away | but noting .. |
| 03:22.20 | servus | If you want a list of files in a very particular format from the command line, you use find with the -printf option, or you do it straight in PHP with dir() and friends. |
| 03:22.24 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: then use your PHP or awk to do it .. it's really not that hard |
| 03:22.57 | abrotman | $linearray = explode(" ",$line); |
| 03:23.00 | abrotman | wee .. all done |
| 03:23.15 | petemc | a joint, me thinks |
| 03:23.17 | abrotman | or |
| 03:23.28 | servus | The output of `ls` cannot be relied upon. The output of `find` can be. Stop using ls. |
| 03:23.33 | abrotman | ls -options | awk '{print $5" "$8}' |
| 03:23.41 | zinx | abrotman: no no no, the issue is the default number of chars in the columns |
| 03:23.44 | r3gii | petemc no its not running |
| 03:23.45 | zinx | abrotman: :P |
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| 03:24.03 | CaT_MaN|away | abrotman yes I know... I can do this on php.. but why I cant change something realy simple it this output :( |
| 03:24.05 | abrotman | zinx: but why is it an issue ? |
| 03:24.11 | zinx | abrotman: i jest |
| 03:24.27 | abrotman | CaT_MaN|away: i'm not the maintainer .. file a bug |
| 03:25.00 | CaT_MaN|away | zinx: yes. You are understandet me |
| 03:25.24 | petemc | r3gii: if it runs as a daemon, /etc/init.d/foo start, if it runs from inetd, as ident often does, check /etc/identd.conf, and you can restart inetd from /etc/init.d/ |
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| 03:25.50 | TonyMntna | i need help with installing java, i was running fakeroot trying to make-jpkg and it says "no matching plugin found" |
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| 03:26.22 | cheal | TonyMntna: mention the command that's failing |
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| 03:27.37 | kevogod | !rootsudo |
| 03:27.40 | kevogod | !sudo |
| 03:27.40 | dpkg | hmm... sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 03:27.41 | TonyMntna | fakeroot make-jpkg j2ee......bin |
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| 03:28.30 | nuclearpenguin | im trying to use smbclient to connect to a windows share, which is named "My Documents" but it gives me a bad name error, how do i compensate for the space in the name of the share? |
| 03:28.36 | drakh | what is the command to get debian to clear the screen when I log off the console |
| 03:28.51 | dtb | hey guys.. had a network card put in a debian box in a data centre.. its a (lspci): Ethernet controller: Phoenix Technologies: Unknown device 0020 when i google that I get zip.. any idea on how I can get this card working ?? |
| 03:28.52 | drakh | or rather, is there a script I need to add a clear to |
| 03:29.04 | nite613 | drakh: put clear in .bash_logout or equivalent |
| 03:29.20 | petemc | nuclearpenguin: use \ to escape the space, or put the name within inverted commas, "yo" |
| 03:29.27 | abrotman | dtb: update-pciids |
| 03:29.33 | abrotman | dtb: then run lspci again |
| 03:29.44 | dtb | same output |
| 03:29.48 | nuclearpenguin | petemc: duh, i shoulda known that, thanks |
| 03:30.11 | dtb | lspci -n gives me the ethernet card id: 100a:0020 |
| 03:30.39 | abrotman | dtb: erm .. it should know |
| 03:30.39 | dtb | cant find that id anywhere |
| 03:30.39 | abrotman | dtb: did you pay for that card? |
| 03:30.47 | dtb | not sure.. ive been told to make it work 8) |
| 03:31.21 | abrotman | dtb: but you don't even know what kind of card it is |
| 03:31.22 | frank_b | question: is it possible to have debian stable installed with testing packages? for example: debian 3.1 functioning with x.org? |
| 03:31.30 | abrotman | !xorg sarge |
| 03:31.30 | dpkg | well, xorg sarge is http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ for sarge backports of the xorg packages. Use at your own risk. |
| 03:31.41 | abrotman | dtb: you tried like n2k-pci or whatever? |
| 03:32.04 | frank_b | thnks abrotman |
| 03:32.20 | row | just did lvm setup with debian installer must say thats very easy to use :) |
| 03:32.21 | abrotman | frank_b: it is possible .. but is considered a VERY bad idea |
| 03:32.28 | row | Debian yet again fails to fail me ;) |
| 03:32.30 | abrotman | row: that took you a while :) |
| 03:32.33 | row | nah |
| 03:32.37 | row | I was freeingspace |
| 03:32.42 | row | been burning dvds like mad |
| 03:32.46 | row | took about 5 mins |
| 03:32.47 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:32.50 | drakh | what is the command to get debian to clear the screen when I log off the console |
| 03:32.56 | row | I am upgrading my setup :) |
| 03:33.11 | drakh | which script do I add the clear command to |
| 03:33.16 | row | and system has had so many changes and now change of roll so thought new install lvm etc would be nice :) |
| 03:33.16 | drakh | if that's how I should do it |
| 03:33.17 | frank_b | abrotman: why "very"? does it crash much? |
| 03:33.19 | jkern | drakh, /etc/inittab |
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| 03:33.31 | abrotman | frank_b: it can make a mess of your system |
| 03:33.39 | frank_b | hmm |
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| 03:33.44 | jkern | drakh, argument to getty |
| 03:33.45 | encompass | howdy all |
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| 03:34.29 | row | can standard 2.6 debian kernel images handle root partition been lvm? |
| 03:34.37 | drakh | ok, thanks jkern |
| 03:34.43 | encompass | I have just uninstalled exim4 because I don't use it... and my computer locks at boot at the starting MTA service line. I think it is trying to load exim. Am I right? and how do I fix it? |
| 03:34.46 | row | wtf |
| 03:34.52 | row | grub used to be default why has it gone to lilo |
| 03:35.00 | row | last install I did of this cd was grub |
| 03:35.13 | jahrules_ | you can choose... |
| 03:35.18 | abrotman | something with putting root on lvm and being lilo |
| 03:35.19 | row | ah yes |
| 03:35.28 | row | ah where |
| 03:35.30 | petemc | encompass: debian requires a mta, however flawed that idea may be, try update-rc.d -f exim4 remove |
| 03:35.39 | row | abrotman: ah must be lilo? |
| 03:35.48 | frank_b | thanks for the tip abrotman , bye all |
| 03:35.49 | abrotman | that's how it was explained to me |
| 03:35.54 | row | ah k |
| 03:35.57 | row | will not worry about it |
| 03:36.00 | row | dislike lilo tbh |
| 03:36.06 | row | but oh well only a boot loader |
| 03:36.06 | petemc | why? |
| 03:36.15 | encompass | oh, is that the command? I "fixed" it another way, I went into init directory and just move the file out of the directory |
| 03:36.22 | row | just like grub seems nicer, just me tho |
| 03:36.47 | petemc | encompass: thats not a fix, its a fudge, but so is update-rc.d.. |
| 03:36.49 | drakh | jkern do I need to use mingetty for that |
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| 03:36.54 | encompass | grub is nice cause you don't have to update it.. you just make your change to the text file and reboot. I like that |
| 03:36.57 | row | oh dear |
| 03:37.01 | row | lilo fails to install |
| 03:37.05 | encompass | haha |
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| 03:37.12 | row | its a minor issue |
| 03:37.16 | petemc | big deal, you have to run one command |
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| 03:37.36 | dtb2 | bah.. dtb |
| 03:38.06 | jkern | drakh, I see no mention in man getty. I believe mingetty will do that. |
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| 03:38.26 | dtb | who mentioned something about n2k-pci before ? |
| 03:38.27 | jkern | drakh, man mingetty |
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| 03:38.48 | jkern | drakh, apt-get install mingetty might help too eh. |
| 03:38.52 | petemc | encompass: until the powers that be decide you dont need a full blown mta, you need something that provides mail-transport-agent |
| 03:39.02 | encompass | petemc so am I fixed... or is that going to cause REALLY big problems for this little laptop |
| 03:39.12 | drakh | adding clear to ~/.bash_logout seemed to do it |
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| 03:39.20 | drakh | what is the advantage to using mingetty in this case |
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| 03:39.39 | petemc | encompass: if you try to install packages, yes, otherwise, nah - you might miss out on some messages from cron.. |
| 03:39.55 | Bushito | what program can i use to unrar?? |
| 03:40.01 | jkern | drakh, good idea |
| 03:40.05 | encompass | yeah, but when you say install packages, do you mean any package? |
| 03:40.06 | bonz | adding logout to ~/.bash_login is more fun :) |
| 03:40.08 | petemc | Bushito: unsurpisingly, unrar |
| 03:40.15 | drakh | lol bonz |
| 03:40.16 | petemc | encompass: yes |
| 03:40.20 | Bushito | petemc, it is not free =) |
| 03:40.22 | drakh | jkern I googled it unfortunately |
| 03:40.26 | drakh | not my idea ;) |
| 03:40.39 | jkern | drakh, google is always the best idea |
| 03:40.41 | petemc | Bushito: free can be an ambiguous term, i certainly didnt pay for it.. |
| 03:40.42 | encompass | oh dear... thats like saying your broken arm hurts only when you have to move it |
| 03:40.45 | drakh | hehehe |
| 03:40.56 | Bushito | petemc, oh okey =) lol |
| 03:41.04 | encompass | apt-get update |
| 03:41.15 | encompass | oops root terminal sorry guys |
| 03:41.16 | encompass | haha |
| 03:41.38 | bonz | jkern: nah I'd rather use somethin like dogpile or similar that uses more then one engine |
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| 03:42.05 | petemc | encompass: right, debian needs a mta, look into equivs if you you want, or ifplugd stops exim timing out on boot |
| 03:42.11 | jkern | bonz, I have not tried that. Thanks. |
| 03:42.12 | encompass | google give you 1,234,24432,23423,23,432 results howmany more do you want? |
| 03:42.21 | drakh | hehehe |
| 03:42.27 | drakh | yea google gets the best results anyhow |
| 03:42.42 | encompass | thanks petemc |
| 03:42.49 | drakh | that's a big number encompass |
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| 03:43.12 | jkern | http://www.google.com/linux |
| 03:43.18 | encompass | with way to many numbers between ,'s and onlu my first four fingers! |
| 03:43.39 | encompass | does that number beat a LONG in C++? |
| 03:43.46 | bonz | encompass: 1,234,24432,23423,23,431 hits on how too meat people also interested in my search criteria is usually not much help :) |
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| 03:43.53 | petemc | morbo:/home/pete# number 1,234,24432,23423,23,432 |
| 03:43.53 | petemc | number: illegal number: 1,234,24432,23423,23,432 |
| 03:44.15 | petemc | (thats freebsds number binary) |
| 03:44.15 | encompass | bonz ok ok |
| 03:44.32 | encompass | bonz your in a free world do what you will |
| 03:44.37 | encompass | :P |
| 03:44.52 | snerfu | 4,8,15,16,33,42 |
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| 03:45.09 | bonz | encompass: of course, I do anyway :P |
| 03:45.13 | encompass | ha |
| 03:45.23 | Guerin | !lose snerfu |
| 03:45.25 | dpkg | snerfu: You Lose. |
| 03:46.05 | encompass | I got introuble with my inlaws yesterday... they were freeked out I could take over there destop with my computer and run things. They thought I was breaking the law and had to give me a heart to heart talk on hacking |
| 03:46.17 | encompass | I was using vncviewer for crying out load! |
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| 03:46.39 | Guerin | encompass: they don't trust you |
| 03:46.39 | dbw | WHITE SOX PWN |
| 03:46.52 | drakh | vnc- tool of hackers everywhere |
| 03:46.56 | vkd | hey guys, is there a way to ping or test a specific network interface (when multiple ones are set up) in a linux box? |
| 03:46.56 | Guerin | dbw: i find white socks get dirty too easily |
| 03:47.04 | Guerin | dark-coloured socks are better |
| 03:47.07 | encompass | well, they should, I am the one that is protecting them bbut setting up a proper firewall |
| 03:47.12 | dbw | Guerin: yes, but they don't run in the wash like red socks... |
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| 03:47.26 | encompass | but they don't even know what a firewall is... so the don't understand my efforts |
| 03:47.35 | drakh | are you blocking them from getting spyware to |
| 03:47.50 | encompass | yes, they don't use explorer anymore |
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| 03:48.16 | petemc | vkd: there are lots monitoring apps, or a simple perl script would do what you need |
| 03:48.20 | drakh | a few months ago firefox had way more vulnerability patches then IE |
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| 03:48.36 | encompass | drakh vnc is at the bottom of a very long list |
| 03:48.43 | vkd | petemc, you know of one somewhere? |
| 03:48.44 | dtb | if my lspci -v shows up: I/O ports at <unassigned> [disabled] for a network card.. do i have to fix something in the bios/hardware or is there something ic an do in software ? |
| 03:48.47 | mwilson | What does it matter how many patches an application has? At least it's being fixed. |
| 03:48.48 | drakh | does it mean the firefox is still a secure solution seeing as more people are targetting it |
| 03:48.48 | encompass | a list contained in knoppix std, muhahah |
| 03:48.55 | drakh | encompass i wasn't talking about vnc |
| 03:48.56 | encompass | so far |
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| 03:49.32 | Guerin | dbw: that's because firefox vulnerabilities are reported publicly and fixed promptly |
| 03:49.45 | petemc | vkd: apt-cache search monitor, perhaps - theres a basic gnu tool, or you could use nagios, which is ok but may seem daunting to the uninitiated |
| 03:49.45 | dbw | drakh: what he said |
| 03:49.50 | drakh | lol |
| 03:49.54 | dbw | ;) |
| 03:49.58 | vkd | it doesn't matter, using IE or Firefox won't "prevent" spypware just by itself |
| 03:50.05 | drakh | i never said that |
| 03:50.12 | encompass | firefox is jsut plain secure, in it's nature... it doesn't try to get into people computer like many other apps that try to totally emerse into the OS |
| 03:50.15 | drakh | however one is more likely to get injected by the other |
| 03:50.17 | Bushito | i need help with my sound card, i cannot run 2 sounds at same time error mesage display, device is already in use what can i do? |
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| 03:50.33 | drakh | encompass do they use admin logons |
| 03:50.46 | xtz | hi there, have some problems with loading modules on apache 1.3 under debian sarge (was perfectly working under woody).. does any one uses mod_vhost_mysql or mod_sqlinclude on apache ? |
| 03:50.54 | petemc | drakh: how do malicious apps install themselves on an unprotected linux host? |
| 03:50.55 | mwilson | Get a sound card that supports what you want it to do? |
| 03:50.56 | encompass | Bushito sounds like you have an oldersoundcard |
| 03:51.01 | drakh | or are they set as power users or users, and have an admin logon for software installs / systems management |
| 03:51.06 | encompass | Bushito you may have a few solutions |
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| 03:51.13 | Bushito | encompass, kindoff |
| 03:51.16 | drakh | petemc i was assuming his family is using windows as the desktop |
| 03:51.25 | petemc | oh |
| 03:51.30 | encompass | Bushito what is your card? |
| 03:51.52 | Bushito | encompass, Crystal Sound Fusion 4ch |
| 03:52.05 | encompass | and it does play sound right? |
| 03:52.18 | Bushito | encompass, yes it does |
| 03:52.23 | encompass | Bushito what is your perfered Display Manager? |
| 03:52.42 | Bushito | encompass, xorg kde |
| 03:52.51 | vkd | petemc, I don't really need a monitor, what I need is to test that a wireless interface is actually sending stuff through, but I have a wire interface working. I don't want to disconnect cables, but I can't seem to find any other way to test the interface. Since my home is NFS, it's a pain in the neck to cut the wire |
| 03:52.51 | mwilson | What does his preferred display manager have to do with the audio? |
| 03:53.09 | Bushito | heheheheh mwilson =) |
| 03:53.24 | encompass | encompass have you tried enableing arts sound in your settings |
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| 03:53.44 | Bushito | encompass, it was for me or for yourself?? |
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| 03:54.10 | encompass | Bushito it worked for me a few times... that way the system mixes the audio before it goes ot the card |
| 03:54.11 | petemc | vkd: home served over wireless isnt gonna be fun anyway, but there are lots of tools available to check the status of a link, whats the problem? |
| 03:54.25 | spoonman- | !kernel |
| 03:54.27 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.13.4, prepatch: 2.6.14-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.14-rc4-git4, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-rc1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.14-rc4-mm1 |
| 03:54.35 | Bushito | encompass, eehh nope i just installed debian, and notice that it didnt make 2 sounds at same time |
| 03:54.41 | seb- | what features makes php a better web language than non-web languages like java and python? |
| 03:54.49 | vkd | petemc, I am just testing the wireless, I don't plan to run it, this is more proof of concept |
| 03:55.12 | encompass | java is a web laguage |
| 03:55.20 | vkd | the problem is the wired interface responds |
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| 03:55.30 | mwilson | Define "web language". |
| 03:55.31 | petemc | seb-: the availability of people to maintain the code, i dont think php has any strong arguments otherwise |
| 03:55.33 | Guerin | encompass: are you on crack? |
| 03:55.37 | Bushito | encompass, how do i active this, or what do i have to google for?? |
| 03:55.50 | encompass | Bushito I would try that... |
| 03:55.53 | encompass | Best I have |
| 03:56.01 | seb- | mwilson: i just mean it is great for doing web apps |
| 03:56.02 | Guerin | encompass: java is an island in indonesia first, a strain of coffee bean second, and an object-oriented programming language third |
| 03:56.24 | encompass | Guerin funny |
| 03:56.38 | seb- | petemc: i wonder why php took off rather than embedding python in html or some better language |
| 03:56.58 | dondelelcaro | seb-: no one knows... |
| 03:57.06 | Guerin | ask #php |
| 03:57.10 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 03:57.15 | Guerin | then ask #python |
| 03:57.20 | encompass | haha |
| 03:57.21 | petemc | seb-: php is functional, i dont code but can use it in a crude fashion |
| 03:57.24 | dondelelcaro | seb-: there are things like Text::Template FE, which already embed perl in footext... |
| 03:57.25 | zinx | then ask #<some better language> |
| 03:57.29 | encompass | I am outa here... thanks for your help... |
| 03:57.32 | chealer | ruby on rails? |
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| 03:58.04 | vkd | alright, hmm, I don't get it... if I turn broadcast SSID off, wpa_supplicant can't find the dman thing... weird |
| 03:58.20 | seb- | dondel: are you saying php can embed perl (and python?) in itself? |
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| 03:59.08 | mwilson | vkd: Well, yeah. |
| 03:59.11 | servus | Perl has a PHP serialization function that I use for passing data between Perl and PHP. |
| 03:59.18 | petemc | seb-: when not run in safe mode, php can avail of anything on the host os, (system..) |
| 03:59.24 | xtz | any one here using mod_sqlinclude or mod_vhost_mysql on apache 1.3 under debian sarge ??? |
| 03:59.37 | servus | perl -MCPAN -e "install PHP::Serialize" |
| 03:59.42 | vkd | mwilson, no, it should work, SSID doesn't have to be broadcast for it to work ;) |
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| 03:59.59 | vkd | it has SSID defined, it shouldn't need for it to be broadcast |
| 04:00.19 | Guerin | and when run in safe mode, it's nearly useless |
| 04:00.24 | Guerin | or so I'm told |
| 04:00.32 | zinx | suphp > safe php |
| 04:00.48 | vkd | there is no "safe" php |
| 04:00.50 | petemc | me > * |
| 04:01.05 | petemc | opinions are bullshit |
| 04:01.06 | servus | * includes you again. Equality invalid. |
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| 04:01.27 | servus | That's more like it./ |
| 04:01.42 | dondelelcaro | gag. don't use -MCPAN like that. |
| 04:01.45 | dondelelcaro | servus: use dh-make-perl |
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| 04:01.59 | servus | Don't make me kill you! |
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| 04:03.01 | servus | dh-make-perl is the Devil and completely unnecessary. |
| 04:03.21 | vkd | I thought Devil didn't exist |
| 04:03.24 | dondelelcaro | servus: uh, no, it's not. You've got a real packaging system. Use it. |
| 04:03.42 | servus | Yeah, CPAN. |
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| 04:03.53 | dondelelcaro | CPAN is not a packaging system, it's a distribution system. |
| 04:04.02 | servus | Using a package management system on top of another perfectly fine package management system is ludicrous. |
| 04:04.06 | dondelelcaro | dh-make-perl --build --cpan Foo::Module; |
| 04:04.11 | servus | CPAN::Autopackage |
| 04:04.23 | catenated | QA... |
| 04:04.43 | zinx | servus's system is probably broken :) |
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| 04:05.12 | dondelelcaro | servus: right, so how many versions of these modules that you've installed do you have on your system? Do you even know where they have been installed to? |
| 04:05.25 | Guerin | eew, autopackage |
| 04:05.26 | servus | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.33 | Guerin | does that even work yet? |
| 04:05.34 | dondelelcaro | uh... hoepfully not |
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| 04:05.55 | servus | We have a technology! Let's use it EVERYWHERE! |
| 04:05.59 | dondelelcaro | odd that CPAN::Autopackage doesn't appear to even be on CPAN... |
| 04:06.13 | Guerin | servus: why not? it works. It stops things from breaking horribly. |
| 04:06.28 | Guerin | servus: if you can find a single perl module it breaks, please let someone know. |
| 04:06.33 | dondelelcaro | you're installing a package on the system; it keeps it together, and modularized, and enables it to be trivially removed. |
| 04:06.37 | servus | The point is that cpan works _fine_. |
| 04:07.27 | dondelelcaro | servus: the point is that it doesn't; it's non-trivial to remove modules that are installed by cpan; it's non-trivial to set up dependency relationships between modules that have been installed by cpan; it's non-trivial to migrate modules between systems |
| 04:07.44 | dondelelcaro | servus: modules installed by that method also don't have the proper dependencies on shared libraries or perl versions either. |
| 04:07.56 | servus | I meant autobundle, not autopackage, anyway. |
| 04:08.24 | servus | Try typing ? ;-) |
| 04:08.28 | servus | You know, the manual. |
| 04:08.37 | dondelelcaro | servus: http://search.cpan.org/search?q=autobundle&m=module&n=100&s=1 |
| 04:08.42 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:08.45 | servus | What if you want to port your modules to Redhat? |
| 04:09.10 | servus | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/paste/results/17wX5G94.html |
| 04:09.12 | Guerin | servus: what does that have to do with anything? |
| 04:09.14 | dondelelcaro | servus: if you're distributing modules, you distribute them via CPAN; if you're building them for installation on a Debian system, you use dh-make-perl |
| 04:09.37 | servus | Last I checked, dpkg didn't come with Redhat, is all :) |
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| 04:09.51 | Guerin | servus: that's a problem for red hat users to resolve. |
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| 04:09.56 | dondelelcaro | this being #debian, we don't really concern ourself with RH problems... |
| 04:09.58 | petemc | heh |
| 04:10.02 | Guerin | servus: it's free software, there's nothing stopping them |
| 04:10.05 | servus | That's a miserable attitude. |
| 04:10.10 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:10.11 | Guerin | why? |
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| 04:10.49 | servus | "Let's use our proprietary way! There's a perfectly usable crossplatform, open solution that does a good job, but let's use ours! People on other OS's can go sit on it!". Who does that sound like? |
| 04:11.01 | minuscipher | sup |
| 04:11.02 | Guerin | servus: you're completely missing the point |
| 04:11.13 | Guerin | servus: 1) nothing in debian is proprietary |
| 04:11.22 | servus | The point is that if something is crossplatform, and already works fine, there is no reason to replace it with something that is proprietary and does the same thing. |
| 04:11.25 | dondelelcaro | servus: I don't think you understand; we use CPAN in combination with our tools to make CPAN work better with Debian. |
| 04:11.27 | Guerin | 2) dh-make-perl is an installation tool |
| 04:11.31 | zinx | servus: yes there is. |
| 04:11.32 | bucky | servus, redhat has apt4rpm and yum.. what else do they need? |
| 04:11.42 | Guerin | 3) it works better than cpan, and interacts directly with cpan |
| 04:11.49 | servus | Have you actually had the misfortune of using apt on Redhat? |
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| 04:11.59 | k-man | is there a way to take a "snapshot" of an ext3 fiesystem for backing it up while its live? |
| 04:12.06 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; this is #debian; We could care less about RH. |
| 04:12.06 | Guerin | servus: that's the problem of the people who ported it to red hat, not debian's fault |
| 04:12.06 | zinx | servus: we're not talking about redhat |
| 04:12.11 | vkd | ok problem fixed |
| 04:12.13 | servus | I am. |
| 04:12.18 | zinx | servus: you're off-topic, then |
| 04:12.26 | zinx | servus: redhat people can use whatever they want |
| 04:12.30 | Guerin | servus: if you care, go and fix apt-rmp in redhat |
| 04:12.39 | zinx | servus: if you want to install CPAN stuff on debian, however, then you should use dh-make-perl. |
| 04:12.44 | servus | Typical FOSS passing of the buck. |
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| 04:12.59 | Guerin | troll troll troll your boat |
| 04:13.00 | ati | Hello Everyone, wondering how I can chang my resolution I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but still cannot get any higher than 800x600 |
| 04:13.08 | SimonRaven | that's not passing the buck. get off your high horse |
| 04:13.11 | zinx | servus: no one is trying to make redhat use something other than CPAN here |
| 04:13.13 | petemc | k-man: dd piped through ssh works |
| 04:13.17 | Guerin | !hwinfo |
| 04:13.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 04:13.18 | bonz | servus: so stop passing the buck then & do something bout it |
| 04:13.26 | zinx | servus: if you want a consistent *DEBIAN* system, then you use should dh-make-perl |
| 04:13.41 | k-man | petemc, but what if someone modifies a large file while its being dumped? |
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| 04:13.55 | dondelelcaro | k-man: well, you can always remount it ro if that's a concern |
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| 04:13.57 | Guerin | servus: why should debian developers develope for red hat? they have plenty to do, and red hat has more money and plenty of developer of its own already. |
| 04:14.02 | SimonRaven | dh-make-perl r0x0rs my s0x0rs |
| 04:14.09 | servus | Reinventing a crossplatform wheel. Go ahead. |
| 04:14.19 | bucky | servus, feel free to screw up your debian box anyway you want |
| 04:14.20 | zinx | servus: it's not reinventing anything |
| 04:14.21 | Guerin | servus: you just don't get it |
| 04:14.26 | k-man | dondelelcaro, but thats what im asking, can it be done while its live? |
| 04:14.29 | petemc | k-man: well, its pretty low level, it certainly doesnt handle corner cases like that. try partimage |
| 04:14.33 | zinx | servus: dh-make-perl takes CPAN and turns it into something more debian-friendly |
| 04:14.42 | SimonRaven | it's for package management. go read about it before you spout off looking like a dufus |
| 04:14.43 | Guerin | servus: it's some scripts which get the stuff from cpan and makes it into a debian package |
| 04:14.45 | bucky | servus, RedHat forked into Mandrake and then into FC |
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| 04:14.51 | Guerin | servus: it's purely for the end-installer |
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| 04:14.58 | bucky | fork fork fork |
| 04:15.06 | Guerin | servus: how does this affect anyone other than the end-installer? |
| 04:15.15 | bonz | servus: fine, stop flogging the dead horse then if you think we dont get it |
| 04:15.25 | servus | It's not worth the effort to explain at this point. |
| 04:15.35 | k-man | petemc, partimage? hmm ok |
| 04:15.39 | Guerin | servus: you don't have a point to explain |
| 04:15.51 | SimonRaven | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.54 | SimonRaven | i* |
| 04:15.56 | Guerin | if you think you do, you misunderstand what dh-make-perl is |
| 04:15.57 | dtb | gave the server a reboot.. network card now shows up as a National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (MacPhyter), working fine |
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| 04:15.59 | servus | I do, and I did explain it succintly. You are not interested in what I have to say, so stop asking to hear it, eh? :) |
| 04:16.07 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; in any case, in here, please recommend that people use dh-make-perl to install cpan modules; otherwise, kindly go elsewere. |
| 04:16.11 | ati | Guerin, I just used hwinfo --monitor I got no feed back where is that stored? |
| 04:16.18 | bucky | servus, you can make all the happy rpms you want with checkinstall |
| 04:16.26 | Guerin | ati: should spurt some info out the screen |
| 04:16.47 | SimonRaven | oh crap. brb |
| 04:16.50 | bonz | works ok if you are saving images from/too identical sized partitions, but sucks if you want too use a newer drive/larger partition |
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| 04:17.12 | ati | Guerin, it quickly cycled through some info didn't leave it up though |
| 04:17.28 | Guerin | ati: hwinfo --monitor |less |
| 04:17.39 | bonz | ati try |less |
| 04:17.40 | secher | Guerin: do you sleep? |
| 04:17.47 | Guerin | secher: at night-time, usually |
| 04:17.52 | ati | I got a black page |
| 04:17.55 | ati | blank |
| 04:18.09 | bonz | secher: heard of sleep ircing? :) |
| 04:18.11 | petemc | african american |
| 04:18.16 | secher | what's the url for debstats? |
| 04:18.21 | ati | should I edit xfree86.conf by hand? |
| 04:18.24 | dondelelcaro | !debstats |
| 04:18.24 | dpkg | it has been said that debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 04:18.25 | Guerin | !debstats |
| 04:18.34 | mwilson | ati: What is xfree86.conf? |
| 04:19.10 | ati | mwilson, isn't that where all the configurations for xfree86 would be stored? |
| 04:19.15 | Guerin | it appears nvz doesn't sleep |
| 04:19.25 | Guerin | he's active in all four quarters of the day |
| 04:19.32 | k-man | isn't there a way of marking a certain point in a journaling file system and backing up to that point only? |
| 04:19.32 | Guerin | praps he naps |
| 04:19.38 | petemc | its after 5am ireland time, i should be asleep |
| 04:20.13 | mwilson | ati: Inventing file names at random is usually not beneficial. |
| 04:20.29 | row | k I have a issue does the linux26 installer use same kernel that is installed on the system by the installer if you get me? |
| 04:20.35 | petemc | k-man: i dont think there are filesystems that have this "snapshot" feature - icbw |
| 04:20.39 | row | because networking works fine in installer but fucks up on boot |
| 04:20.45 | ati | lol mwilson I just went into the /etc folder you are right I kinda thought it was like xorg |
| 04:20.50 | k-man | petemc, ok, thanks |
| 04:20.55 | ati | Sorry buddy |
| 04:21.17 | ati | mwilson, do you have any ideas on my resolution problem? |
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| 04:21.54 | ati | I can't get it past 800x600, I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:21.56 | bonz | ati: lets pass resolution too solve it :) |
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| 04:22.26 | ati | lol |
| 04:22.38 | bonz | thats usually what I do till it works |
| 04:22.44 | Lee__ | I'd love to find a fast way to switch resolutions. ctl+alt+keypad+ is kinda lame. |
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| 04:23.05 | chealer | I miss directhex and perfdave |
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| 04:23.22 | bonz | Lee__: I think gnome supports that now |
| 04:23.31 | Bushito | how can i uncompress a tar.gz, tried tar, gzip and it didnt worked |
| 04:23.37 | bonz | in the ontrol centre |
| 04:23.38 | chealer | am I alone to be twice in the top 50? :) |
| 04:23.44 | dondelelcaro | bonz: tar zxf foo.tar.gz |
| 04:23.47 | chealer | !tell Bushito about tar |
| 04:23.48 | Lee__ | but it does it in a lame way. with the framebuffer IIRC. |
| 04:23.51 | dondelelcaro | s/bonz/Bushito/ |
| 04:24.06 | mwilson | Bushito: man tar |
| 04:24.06 | Bushito | thanks |
| 04:24.11 | bonz | dondelelcaro: ey? |
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| 04:24.26 | Lee__ | I'm talking about stuff like in other modern OSs, like dual head mirror or extended and with 3D acceleration if the drivers are loaded. |
| 04:24.28 | SimonRaven | Lee__: uh, no. it's a server feature. nothing to do with framebuffer |
| 04:24.30 | bonz | dont it suck when tab coplete expands too the wrong nick? |
| 04:24.52 | dondelelcaro | bonz: happens all the time... ;-) |
| 04:24.54 | bucky | well bo should expand to Bushito |
| 04:25.10 | petemc | bucky: yes |
| 04:25.14 | petemc | *bam* |
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| 04:25.17 | ati | So any ideas anyone? |
| 04:25.29 | bucky | but that would be tab read my mind |
| 04:25.38 | Lee__ | I think most super custom X configurations take lots of careful customizing to a specific appication. |
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| 04:26.06 | k-man | petemc, i think some fs's do support it but its a bit experimental at this stage... see http://www.nilfs.org/ |
| 04:26.07 | petemc | Lee__: can we quote you on that? |
| 04:26.14 | secher | abrotman: not bad, 36K words in a 24 hour period. Your fingertips got calluses? |
| 04:26.23 | Lee__ | petemc, why would you want to? |
| 04:26.48 | bucky | sounds like a line from X configurations Unleashed |
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| 04:27.12 | Lee__ | is that a real book? |
| 04:27.36 | bucky | no ;) |
| 04:27.41 | chealer | under which distance should VNC-ing to a box be considered lazy? is 2 meters OK? |
| 04:27.48 | Lee__ | I should start writing it. |
| 04:27.56 | bucky | haha |
| 04:27.59 | Lee__ | the debian kernels don't have penguins |
| 04:28.11 | row | at what point during a net install should I be able to ping the box installing debian? |
| 04:28.12 | Lee__ | makes me sad :( |
| 04:28.17 | row | after its installed the base system? |
| 04:28.20 | bonz | Lee__: I compiled mine :) |
| 04:28.27 | row | or only after you booted up for first time? |
| 04:28.32 | bucky | Lee__, which version of debian are you using? |
| 04:28.37 | Lee__ | bonz, did you turn the penguin on? |
| 04:28.42 | Lee__ | bucky, sarge |
| 04:28.49 | staniel | is there anyway to get proftpd to follow symbolic links, or have a directory not in a users directory shared so that it can be access via ftp? |
| 04:29.25 | row | staniel: proftpd follows symlinks by default afaik |
| 04:29.33 | Lee__ | I did a silly thing today and bought that "Linux desktop hacks" oreilly book. |
| 04:29.53 | staniel | row... hmmm |
| 04:30.07 | bonz | Lee__: its not really an issue, I might recopile the kernel for the sheer hell of it too see if I missed any options that shoulda been enbled, all my previous kernels had it |
| 04:30.15 | staniel | seems that it doesn't want to on my server |
| 04:31.41 | Lee__ | bonz, on 2.6 it's in drivers->graphics->logo |
| 04:31.56 | row | Is there a reason why all network cards I try fail in 2.6 kernel but work in 2.4? |
| 04:32.03 | row | could it be my pci bus or something? |
| 04:32.07 | SimonRaven | !works in 2.4 |
| 04:32.07 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 04:32.26 | row | er. this is from installer |
| 04:32.29 | row | using debian installer |
| 04:32.37 | row | 2.4 works 2.6 no go. |
| 04:32.38 | SimonRaven | *g* |
| 04:32.50 | SimonRaven | but seriously, what driver? |
| 04:33.03 | row | tried a linksys and a realtek |
| 04:33.14 | SimonRaven | they both should work |
| 04:33.14 | bonz | Lee__: this p166mmx is still stuck on 2.4.18 because of inherant hardware issues |
| 04:33.24 | row | I am not getting any errors at all atm |
| 04:33.27 | bonz | ie its a pos |
| 04:33.33 | row | let see |
| 04:34.07 | SimonRaven | row: did you run the hardware and network detect? |
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| 04:34.34 | Lee__ | bonz, sweet. I just finished configureing my new desktop. A P4 I found in the trash :) |
| 04:34.37 | SimonRaven | most of the time those should get anything going |
| 04:34.52 | SimonRaven | (well, supported stuff ;) |
| 04:35.02 | row | SimonRaven: I just did as installer asked said could not find dhcp would you like to configure youself I did, I had the same issue on my old install on this system could not get 2.6 to load networking, could it be mobo? |
| 04:35.17 | secher | Lee: trash? as in garbage? |
| 04:35.47 | SimonRaven | could be anything |
| 04:35.56 | row | SimonRaven: I will install a dhcpd on on network |
| 04:36.02 | row | see if installer gets info |
| 04:36.09 | row | if it does its a kernel issue for some odd reason |
| 04:36.09 | SimonRaven | afk |
| 04:36.15 | row | but 2 different cards. :/ |
| 04:36.19 | Bushito | i wonder why every time i download a splash screen it walways say it cannot load theme configuration file >_>, why is this? |
| 04:38.00 | Roberto-76 | I have a problem adding some packages downloaded to my hard drive. ( 3.1 stable ) I tried apt-get install, I added the folder that contained the downloads but the system cannot see the files, even when I include the full path and run as root. what is the process for making the downloads seen by the Synaptic package manager ? |
| 04:40.07 | Lee__ | Roberto-76, you need to make a local apt repository. it's in the APT howto on http://www.debian.org/doc |
| 04:40.19 | Roberto-76 | thanks |
| 04:41.09 | row | oh dear, installer can't get any network cards to work on my system it seems, on 2.6 2.4 is fine tho |
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| 04:45.28 | petemc | i have now been hiccuping for almost an hour |
| 04:45.43 | petemc | its starting to annoy me |
| 04:45.43 | Lee__ | row, what cards are they specifically? |
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| 04:47.25 | Coke | petemc: ashnoogi-poo! :) |
| 04:47.39 | EdLin | petemc: gulp down some water while holding your breath |
| 04:47.49 | RedBeard | MAKEDEV seems to be busted, I'm getting this: :/dev# ./MAKEDEV update |
| 04:47.49 | RedBeard | ./MAKEDEV: line 1: major_device-mapper=254: command not found |
| 04:47.58 | RedBeard | any suggestions? |
| 04:48.27 | EdLin | RedBeard: you are using MAKEDEV wrong. Tell it the name of the device you want to create. |
| 04:48.47 | EdLin | MAKEDEV != apt-get |
| 04:48.59 | RedBeard | EdLin, read the manpage for MAKEDEV |
| 04:49.10 | petemc | EdLin: gulping water is what caused the problem, trying to mitigate a hangover |
| 04:49.24 | RedBeard | MAKEDEV(8) Make Linux Devices MAKEDEV(8) |
| 04:49.24 | RedBeard | NAME |
| 04:49.24 | RedBeard | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.24 | RedBeard | SYNOPSIS |
| 04:49.24 | RedBeard | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:49.40 | petemc | impressive |
| 04:49.46 | RedBeard | EdLin, it's a documented use for MAKEDEV |
| 04:49.52 | row | Lee__: just trying one more thing then I will give you model numbers etc |
| 04:50.02 | RedBeard | Any other suggestions? |
| 04:50.02 | ke6isf | RedBeard: Were you going to paste the ENTIRE man page for MAKEDEV?! |
| 04:50.04 | EdLin | RedBeard: interesting, that's a Linux-specific feature so it's no wonder I'd never knew it. |
| 04:50.08 | Daveman | gah |
| 04:50.10 | RedBeard | ke6isf, fuck no! |
| 04:50.27 | ke6isf | RedBeard: Dear God, I hope not! |
| 04:50.36 | RedBeard | just up to the first line after SYNOPSIS |
| 04:50.42 | RedBeard | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.02 | RedBeard | where it shows update to be a valid option for MAKEDEV |
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| 04:51.11 | petemc | RedBeard: what are you trying to do, ultimately? |
| 04:51.41 | RedBeard | petemc, restore the devices that disapeared when I installed mpg321 and a bunch of alsa stuff a couple of days ago |
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| 04:52.16 | tsp | is debian 3.1 still using the 2.4 kernel? |
| 04:52.44 | EdLin | tsp: 2.6 is an installation option. Type linux26 or expert26 at the installation prompt |
| 04:53.03 | row | One of the cards that fales is a RTL8139C (Realtek) |
| 04:53.11 | petemc | RedBeard: last i heard, installing packages didnt remove devices from the kernel, perhaps you're approaching this problem from the wrong abgle |
| 04:53.21 | petemc | angle |
| 04:54.02 | RedBeard | petemc, yes, they don't usually, which is why I'm very confused |
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| 04:54.30 | RedBeard | before the install, I had a symlink '/dev/cdrom' to '/dev/hdd' |
| 04:54.32 | RedBeard | it's now gone |
| 04:54.52 | RedBeard | along with /dev/hdd (yes the CDROM drive is still in the machine) |
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| 04:55.11 | codehead | Hello everyone. Q: Does anyone else have problems reaching www.opera.com ? |
| 04:55.19 | Coke | make good use of the SID emulator. for your case Daglish or Huelsbeck would do the trick. |
| 04:55.42 | tsp | ah thanks |
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| 04:55.47 | Coke | codehead: this is #debian |
| 04:56.21 | codehead | Coke: yeah, I know. Thanks anyway. |
| 04:56.26 | Cirkus | codehead: it's taking a bit to connect/load for me, but I'm using lynx so that may be it. |
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| 04:56.54 | Coke | codehead: ok, so the obvious apt-get install mozilla-firefox won't work on you? :) |
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| 04:57.35 | Ace | does anyonone know why my onboard nic won't detect for netinst? .... I have a Asus K8N-E Deluxe mobo |
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| 04:57.57 | Lee__ | what NIC? |
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| 04:58.13 | mick_home | hi everyone |
| 04:58.14 | Ace | Lee_, it is an onboard nic to the mobo |
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| 04:58.25 | Lee__ | that's nice, who makes the NIC? |
| 04:58.26 | Cirkus | I have (what should be) a quick question. Is there a way to get a list of programs that are currently installed? something *other* than dselect (as close to a directory list as possible, like you'd get if you did an 'ls /var/db/pkg' under *BSD)? |
| 04:58.34 | codehead | Cirkus: Uh, it's totally dead on my end. It's unreacheable from the office as well. Guess there's some kind of network problem. Thanks! |
| 04:58.38 | Ace | i think it is NVIDIA chipset |
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| 04:59.01 | petemc | Cirkus: dpkg --get-selections |
| 04:59.03 | Cirkus | codehead: it resolves for me, but doesn't connect (it's still trying to connect from here) |
| 04:59.10 | Cirkus | petemc: thanks! |
| 04:59.20 | bucky | Ace, i bet it has a marvel nic that's not supported in 2.6.8 |
| 04:59.30 | codehead | Coke: Heh. firefox orks perfectly for me. But I have to install Opera at home and I misplaced the .deb |
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| 04:59.56 | row | Lee__: I am using a RTL-8139C Ver A3 and also tried a Linksys LNE100TX v5.1, both fail, drivers seem to load etc but no data transfer. |
| 05:00.00 | mick_home | i'm trying to delete all files (recursively) in a directory with a particular name: find /foo -name *.extention | rm -f <--- i think i need some -exec() or something in there (I forget - its like 1 am here and I can't think) |
| 05:00.00 | doojin | debian guys hi |
| 05:00.00 | Ace | •bucky• the ubuntu install detects the nic.... do they have 2.6.12? |
| 05:00.06 | Coke | codehead: didn't even know there was a deb for opera. is it free now? |
| 05:00.07 | row | Lee__: what the hell could this be :/ |
| 05:00.11 | doojin | coke : hi |
| 05:00.23 | Coke | doojin: hello. don't snort me. |
| 05:00.26 | doojin | coke : can you overcome the dependency problem of linux? |
| 05:00.27 | codehead | Coke: as in beer, yes |
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| 05:00.54 | Lee__ | row, that's a gigE card, right? |
| 05:00.56 | bucky | Ace, i think so and i can't remember when marvel was added to the kernel... |
| 05:01.10 | row | Lee__: no rather old 10/100 cards |
| 05:01.12 | Coke | doojin: are you kidding? I'm trying to quit liqour, coffee, tobacco and weed, I'm in no position to stop using Linux. |
| 05:01.18 | mick_home | anyone? |
| 05:01.18 | row | Lee__: about 3-4 years old |
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| 05:01.27 | Lee__ | oh, what if you modprobe the module manually? |
| 05:01.40 | Ace | •bucky• is the only other way to do the debian install with the full install |
| 05:01.43 | Lee__ | mick_home, the manpage for find gives you the -exec syntax |
| 05:01.59 | codehead | Cirkus: Mmmh.. same here... Murphy's law hard at work... |
| 05:01.59 | bucky | Ace, i'm not sure if there is an installer fro etch but i think there's a newer kernel on one of the installers |
| 05:02.04 | mick_home | ya, but it doesn't really specify |
| 05:02.07 | doojin | Coke : I was a beginner and I couldn't install lmule and so many libraries I needed in linux |
| 05:02.09 | mick_home | just says -exec |
| 05:02.19 | doojin | I finally abandoned linux |
| 05:02.22 | row | Lee__: tried from network drivers list, no joy seems, but it seems to know its there cause does not ask me to locate driver, it just fails on dhcp and I setup manually but interface never comes up etc. |
| 05:02.22 | Lee__ | mick_home, it does specify. something like -exec {}\; |
| 05:02.23 | doojin | oh jesus |
| 05:02.31 | mick_home | find /foo -name *.extention -exec rm -f was not it |
| 05:02.42 | Coke | doojin: ok. |
| 05:02.46 | mick_home | see, i remember that (the braces) |
| 05:02.47 | row | Lee__: got some NETDEV or something or other errors once about timeouts but not in a little bit |
| 05:02.53 | doojin | Coke : how did you install libraries you needed? |
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| 05:02.55 | Ace | •bucky• i think i am going to install ubuntu... it is really the same as debian isn't it? |
| 05:03.03 | Lee__ | row, perhaps you have duplex problems with your switch/hub? |
| 05:03.03 | Coke | doojin: apt-get install |
| 05:03.12 | Lee__ | !based on debian |
| 05:03.12 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 05:03.15 | doojin | apt-get is not very useful |
| 05:03.17 | row | Lee__: tried different cables different switches :/ |
| 05:03.19 | encompass | I am trying to get apm -s to work and it tells me I have an input output error |
| 05:03.29 | Coke | doojin: and then Debian, as if by magic, said "well, you need these as well" and then it downloads and installs all libraries I needed for that package. |
| 05:03.29 | row | Lee__: also different pci slots. |
| 05:03.36 | mick_home | Lee__: so would this be the syntax? find /foo -name *.extention -exec {}\; | rm -f |
| 05:03.46 | Lee__ | row, wow, that sucks. does dmesg tell you anything helpful? |
| 05:03.46 | encompass | it goes into suspend for about 5 seconds then comes out and tells me this.. what could be wrong? |
| 05:03.56 | doojin | coke : if apt-get can't install a library, I give up? |
| 05:04.00 | row | Lee__: if you tell me what to look for I can tell you that. |
| 05:04.02 | Lee__ | mick_home, I don't remember, you'll have to read the manpage. that's what it's there for. |
| 05:04.08 | Coke | doojin: why wouldn't it be able to install the library? |
| 05:04.11 | mick_home | uh, ya i did |
| 05:04.20 | mick_home | i'm asking for clarification |
| 05:04.20 | doojin | Coke : apt-get can't install many libraries |
| 05:04.25 | petemc | mick_home: -exec rm {} \ , but look into xargs |
| 05:04.30 | Coke | He said "overcome the dependency of Linux", I thought he meant like quitting smoking or something. |
| 05:04.33 | Ace | doojin, use dpkg |
| 05:04.37 | doojin | huh |
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| 05:04.52 | Lee__ | row, not sure. look for lines talking about the driver. do you know what the module name is? |
| 05:04.54 | doojin | what if I want to play games, do I need to use windows? |
| 05:04.56 | Coke | doojin: well, there are always good reasons why apt can't install packages, if you are running stable or testing. |
| 05:05.02 | Lee__ | !cedega |
| 05:05.02 | dpkg | from memory, cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or http://timedoctor.org/boycott_winex.php, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 05:05.04 | Coke | doojin: depends on what games. |
| 05:05.12 | row | Lee__: yes, the odd thing is this all works in 2.6 |
| 05:05.15 | doojin | Coke : how about "half life 2"? |
| 05:05.15 | row | er |
| 05:05.17 | row | 2.4 |
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| 05:05.23 | Coke | doojin: real sotware developers make their software portable, unfortunately game developers are retards. |
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| 05:05.32 | row | yet all network cards fail in 2.6, sure its not a pci/mobo issue I need to look into? |
| 05:05.33 | Lee__ | rich retards |
| 05:05.46 | doojin | Coke : maybe money is concerned when developers make game |
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| 05:05.54 | Lee__ | row, perhaps it is. you are using sarge with a standard kernel? |
| 05:05.54 | Coke | doojin: I've heard rumours that HL2 can be played in GNU/Linux using a DirectX/Win32-emulator called winex. |
| 05:06.00 | encompass | my friend is not a retard |
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| 05:06.09 | row | Lee__: its sarge net installer |
| 05:06.12 | doojin | Coke : what do you do mainly with linux? |
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| 05:06.27 | row | Lee__: but had same issues when trying to upgrade old system on this box to 2.6 |
| 05:06.31 | Coke | doojin: guess not, it takes basically NO extra effort to make it platform independant if you use stuff like OpenGL and OpenAL and you could potentially make a few extra bucks on sales on Linux. |
| 05:06.36 | Coke | doojin: programming. |
| 05:06.38 | doojin | 100$ laptops use linux |
| 05:06.44 | Lee__ | did anyone read the factoid above about Cedega! buy it, use it. it works. |
| 05:06.45 | doojin | and it is for kids |
| 05:06.46 | doojin | god |
| 05:06.49 | Coke | doojin: Debian is the best development environment in the world for general programming. |
| 05:06.51 | doojin | what kid can use linux |
| 05:07.06 | doojin | Lee : how about you? |
| 05:07.08 | Coke | doojin: I also watch a lot of movies and TV on my box at home and I play UT2004. |
| 05:07.12 | encompass | mafia boy |
| 05:07.14 | doojin | box? |
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| 05:07.23 | Coke | doojin: yes, computer machine |
| 05:07.26 | doojin | oh |
| 05:07.31 | Lee__ | row, that sounds really strange. Honestly I can't help you. look through dmesg and kern.log for errors. manually load and remove the driver. post to bugs.debian.org with results. |
| 05:07.41 | doojin | Coke : Why do you use linux? windows is much easier for me |
| 05:07.46 | row | Lee__: k |
| 05:07.50 | Coke | doojin: here's how it is; mainstream game developers don't give a rats ass about GNU/Linux gamers. |
| 05:07.58 | Lee__ | doojin, stop trolling. |
| 05:08.02 | row | better rescue old root partition then |
| 05:08.03 | row | :/ |
| 05:08.12 | Coke | doojin: because Debian (which has little to do with Linux) is the best development platform. |
| 05:08.16 | doojin | huh |
| 05:08.18 | mick_home | ok, this is what i'm trying: find /foo -name *.html -exec {}\; | xargs rm -f 2>/dev/null |
| 05:08.20 | Lee__ | go to Cedega's web page and read it. |
| 05:08.26 | doojin | Coke : can you develop a windows program in debian? |
| 05:08.27 | mick_home | find: bonus.html: unknown expression primary |
| 05:08.29 | Coke | doojin: if you DON'T play games the question should be "why do you use windows" |
| 05:08.31 | encompass | doojin , linux is made to evelope you, anything you have wrong in linux you can find and fix, inwindows, if you find something wrong your screwed, you can only wait until THEY fix it |
| 05:08.48 | Coke | doojin: ofcourse. like I said earlier, programming platform transparent software is easy. |
| 05:08.48 | encompass | Coke I agree with you |
| 05:08.49 | Lee__ | mick_home, I think the -exec line is where you need the rm -f |
| 05:09.02 | doojin | with my laptop |
| 05:09.09 | bonz | Coke: best like opinions can be & usually are highly subjective |
| 05:09.16 | doojin | Debian doesn't recognize my lcd monitor properly |
| 05:09.26 | encompass | doojin if you want to really play games, don't get a lappy |
| 05:09.28 | Coke | doojin: we have no virus, everything is easily downloadable and installable, it's prepackages, i.e someone else has done all the hard work of tracking down software and making it available for you. |
| 05:09.52 | Coke | doojin: security fixes are fast to arrive and it's easy to upgrade. |
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| 05:09.57 | doojin | Coke : Linux also has driver problem |
| 05:10.04 | Coke | doojin: no. |
| 05:10.08 | Lee__ | what's the ignore syntax for xchat? |
| 05:10.13 | Coke | doojin: in fact, Linux supports more hardware than Windows these days. |
| 05:10.17 | encompass | doojin and you don't have to upgrade your computer all the time.... I have a 700mhz lappy with 128 ram and am happy |
| 05:10.21 | doojin | It doesn't recognize my monitor properly and my video card |
| 05:10.23 | bonz | doojin: since when? |
| 05:10.31 | Coke | doojin: it's because it doesn't scan for them. |
| 05:10.35 | Lee__ | you guys suck |
| 05:10.38 | Lee__ | later |
| 05:10.41 | doojin | I have to use "one-line installer" to make it recognize my video card |
| 05:10.53 | doojin | That's rather bothering |
| 05:10.53 | bonz | I've never had an issues with drivers, under debian sw or any of the other dists I used |
| 05:10.55 | encompass | Lee__ we all do, including you |
| 05:11.00 | doojin | I want debian support basic stuff |
| 05:11.00 | Coke | doojin: since most Debian users are "knowledgable" we know our way around our hardware and we wish to configure it ourselves. |
| 05:11.15 | Coke | doojin: you should probably try something like Mandrake or Fedora. |
| 05:11.22 | doojin | I want debian to recognie basic stuff |
| 05:11.30 | encompass | Mandrake would be easy for him |
| 05:11.34 | encompass | or mepis |
| 05:11.38 | doojin | like windows recognizes my visual device properly |
| 05:11.45 | encompass | woopee |
| 05:12.03 | Coke | doojin: yep, Debian is not for you then. |
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| 05:12.08 | mick_home | i figured it out |
| 05:12.09 | doojin | I have Geforce 4 420 GO for laptop |
| 05:12.13 | row | does the sarge net install not a have rescue command to boot into a old install using installer's kernel? |
| 05:12.15 | Coke | doojin: Debian is more for, hm, hacker-types of users. |
| 05:12.15 | bonz | doojin: so stick with messydos then, we're not forcing you to use debian |
| 05:12.17 | mick_home | no pipes and no xargs was the answer |
| 05:12.27 | encompass | all you have to do then is google your card and debian and you will find answers |
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| 05:12.29 | mick_home | find foo/ -name '*.html' -type f -exec rm "{}" \; |
| 05:12.36 | Coke | doojin: as with Windows, you need to download a driver for the geforce cards from nvidia.com. |
| 05:12.45 | Coke | doojin: why do you want to use Debian? |
| 05:12.46 | doojin | Coke : but powerful console with GUI is so fascinating to me |
| 05:13.10 | mick_home | later |
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| 05:13.22 | encompass | and then your windows doesn't have your nick driver so you can't get on the net... then you can't download your nick driver cause you need the nick to get on the net.. bla bla bla |
| 05:13.24 | Coke | doojin: Like I said, Mandrake (now Mandriva or whatever) could be your pick. |
| 05:13.26 | doojin | WINDOWS has a crappy soncole |
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| 05:13.39 | doojin | what is the latest mandrake? |
| 05:13.50 | Guerin | !htfswk doojin |
| 05:13.51 | dpkg | doojin: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 05:13.54 | encompass | I do 80 percent of my day in a console, I even play my mp3's there |
| 05:13.59 | Coke | doojin: no idea. but I usualy advice users like you to switch to a less hardcore distribution. |
| 05:14.25 | Coke | doojin: I guess Fedora, SuSE and Ubuntu has similar first-time user support. |
| 05:14.27 | encompass | like mandrake, my brother loves it... and he just started |
| 05:14.28 | doojin | Coke : debian is hardcore? |
| 05:14.38 | Guerin | i'd pick ubuntu for a first-timer nowadays |
| 05:14.40 | Coke | doojin: compared to Mandrake and Fedora, yes. |
| 05:14.43 | encompass | can be, yup |
| 05:14.46 | Guerin | anything over mandreck |
| 05:14.49 | Coke | Guerin: ubuntu just detects crap like Windows does? |
| 05:15.04 | encompass | I would say gentoo is pretty serous too, I don't like being that deep though |
| 05:15.21 | doojin | Coke : do you use live365.com? |
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| 05:15.23 | Guerin | Coke: pretty much. The default ship has gnome and hal and udev doing magic, if you can stomach gnome |
| 05:15.37 | Coke | doojin: Debian is the _easiest_ OS to use in the world _if_ you know how to use it. you don't which would make it very hard to use. |
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| 05:15.53 | encompass | I like gnome, off all the ones to choose from |
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| 05:16.10 | Coke | yeah, HAL. |
| 05:16.10 | doojin | Coke : no way |
| 05:16.23 | doojin | Coke : windows is the easiest os I have ever seen |
| 05:16.30 | encompass | mac is easier |
| 05:16.33 | Coke | doojin: talk to a Mac user then. |
| 05:16.35 | encompass | haha |
| 05:16.36 | doojin | oh god |
| 05:16.43 | doojin | mac |
| 05:16.45 | doojin | I never used mac |
| 05:16.49 | Coke | 10/10 people who have never used a computer before selects OSX over Windows. |
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| 05:16.56 | encompass | mac users are so brain dead that it's DEAD simple |
| 05:17.05 | doojin | windows is moderate |
| 05:17.06 | Coke | doojin: My mom was 56 years old the first time she used a computer, it was Debian. |
| 05:17.09 | doojin | and linux is hardcore |
| 05:17.21 | doojin | am I right? |
| 05:17.22 | encompass | yor mom? wow |
| 05:17.23 | Coke | doojin: NO, Linux is a kernel, Debian is the OS, it is hardcore. |
| 05:17.24 | Coke | doojin: no. |
| 05:17.31 | Coke | doojin: DEBIAN is hardcore. |
| 05:17.34 | doojin | ok |
| 05:17.43 | doojin | so your mom is hardcore, too |
| 05:17.44 | doojin | hehehe |
| 05:17.44 | Coke | doojin: Mandrake and Ubuntu are probably easier for a beginner than Windows. |
| 05:17.45 | kds | latest udev upgrade wants to remove hotplug! Is that fine? |
| 05:17.50 | encompass | doojin, but it is suprising you are using irc |
| 05:17.52 | Coke | doojin: no, my mom is a total lamer. |
| 05:17.57 | encompass | not something like yahoo chat |
| 05:18.03 | shocker | how can i find the date a file was created |
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| 05:18.10 | doojin | I like irc since many people gather in irc |
| 05:18.20 | doojin | Only two command I need to know |
| 05:18.25 | doojin | "/server and /join |
| 05:18.33 | encompass | but the fact that it is texty and non pretty it suprises me |
| 05:18.36 | Coke | doojin: most of the regulars here are hardcore. |
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| 05:18.49 | Coke | heck, I'm listening to C64 music as we speak, if that isn't hardcore then I don't know what is. :) |
| 05:18.51 | doojin | what is ubuntu? |
| 05:18.59 | encompass | coke, am I a regular (please say yes) |
| 05:19.02 | encompass | ? |
| 05:19.12 | Coke | doojin: another OS that works similar to Debian, but they focus on new users like you instead of seasoned users like me. |
| 05:19.17 | Phated | Haven't seen you before. :) |
| 05:19.24 | encompass | sigh |
| 05:19.24 | doojin | oh |
| 05:19.25 | Coke | encompass: I don't remember your name. |
| 05:19.30 | encompass | dang |
| 05:19.35 | Coke | Phated on the other hand is a regular. |
| 05:19.35 | doojin | maybe I'll like ubuntu |
| 05:19.35 | Coke | perhaps too regular. |
| 05:19.36 | Coke | ;) |
| 05:19.40 | Phated | :P |
| 05:19.46 | Coke | doojin: yes, you might. |
| 05:19.46 | encompass | well I hope to be here often... |
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| 05:19.59 | Coke | Phated: you live in asia, right? |
| 05:20.02 | Phated | Yeh. |
| 05:20.09 | encompass | cool |
| 05:20.09 | Coke | I can tell by your nick. |
| 05:20.10 | jm_ | the place where you can't spit! |
| 05:20.20 | doojin | no |
| 05:20.23 | doojin | That's singapore |
| 05:20.23 | encompass | really? cool |
| 05:20.27 | Phated | Beh? How does my nick indicate Asianness? |
| 05:20.27 | encompass | oh |
| 05:20.31 | doojin | I can spit everwhere I want to |
| 05:20.33 | Phated | doojin: dude. I AM in .sg. |
| 05:20.34 | Coke | hehe, jm_ is defenately the most regular you can be in this channel. |
| 05:20.35 | doojin | I am in south korea |
| 05:20.45 | doojin | Even cops don't care |
| 05:20.48 | encompass | cool, I am in finland |
| 05:20.50 | doojin | hahahaha |
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| 05:21.07 | Lee__ | korea has all the bandwidth. |
| 05:21.10 | doojin | I spit as much as I want |
| 05:21.14 | SerajewelKS | has openoffice always had an office assistant guy? and how the FUCK do i turn him off? |
| 05:21.18 | Cirkus | Phated your username/userinfo signifies it ;) |
| 05:21.23 | doojin | Even little girls spit on the ground in south korea |
| 05:21.29 | encompass | I spit in finland and my wife freaked out... she is finish.. I am american |
| 05:21.30 | Phated | Username != nick. |
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| 05:21.30 | Coke | Phated: my ex gf went away for a couple of months to work in .sg, she said it was very different from Europe indeed. |
| 05:21.36 | Cirkus | Phated, true |
| 05:21.41 | Cirkus | Still thot you'd like to know :p |
| 05:21.46 | Coke | doojin: you're from south korea? |
| 05:21.54 | Phated | 'Wu', I s'pose. |
| 05:22.05 | Phated | Coke: Yeh. |
| 05:22.15 | kds | latest udev upgrade wants to remove hotplug! |
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| 05:22.19 | Coke | Phated: Wu is your real name? |
| 05:22.22 | encompass | what? |
| 05:22.30 | Phated | Coke: You can whois me and see for yourself. |
| 05:22.35 | encompass | wu who |
| 05:22.46 | encompass | teheh, sorry |
| 05:22.48 | encompass | had to |
| 05:22.52 | cheal | SerajewelKS: by fucking him... he's asexuated |
| 05:23.02 | Cirkus | oh shit |
| 05:23.05 | Cirkus | :-O |
| 05:23.23 | encompass | what? |
| 05:23.28 | Cirkus | um, sorry for the profanity |
| 05:23.30 | Coke | That's how I spot the asians in the channels, they have the cool nicknames and I think that's because their regular names are Wu, Pi or Foo (i.e not so cool) |
| 05:23.32 | Phated | OO.o has an assistant? :O |
| 05:23.34 | Cirkus | I just deleted somethign I shouldn't have :( |
| 05:23.40 | Phated | Dude, Wu is cool. |
| 05:23.41 | Coke | they just long for a two syllable name. |
| 05:23.45 | beleys | Yop |
| 05:23.52 | Phated | 'Dyana'. How is that NOT two syllables? |
| 05:23.58 | Phated | Unless it's three. |
| 05:23.58 | Phated | :) |
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| 05:24.09 | Cirkus | later, all |
| 05:24.14 | Coke | Phated: haha! :) |
| 05:24.20 | encompass | what about encompass, do I have a corny nick? |
| 05:24.23 | Coke | you always crack me up. |
| 05:24.25 | Phated | Coke: Yeh. |
| 05:25.06 | encompass | encompass.... corny or not corny |
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| 05:25.35 | Coke | Phated: did you go to the debconf in finland? |
| 05:25.49 | Phated | Coke: No money. |
| 05:26.00 | encompass | I missed it.... and it was just down the street |
| 05:26.21 | Coke | pity. |
| 05:26.27 | encompass | hey, you guys ever in finland just bunk at my joint |
| 05:26.43 | mansu | hi all, i have a problem with my mic on debian... the sound system is working fine... but it's only the mic that is causing a problem.. i am unable to use it.. i have checked the mixer settings but they look fine.. am i missing something? |
| 05:26.46 | Phated | Apparently. |
| 05:27.05 | Coke | I missed it too. I spent $2400 on a bike in may and I've been biking constantly since then. |
| 05:27.26 | Lee__ | Coke, that's a fancy bike. what kind? |
| 05:27.27 | encompass | ouch, thats a lot of money |
| 05:27.42 | Coke | mansu: you need to make sure you have selected mic as recording device and that it's recording level is up. |
| 05:27.48 | encompass | Lee__ I thought you were leaving |
| 05:28.05 | Lee__ | I'm back. the conversation's a bit more interesting. I like bikes. |
| 05:28.12 | doojin | Anyone who knows what linus torvalds does nowadays? |
| 05:28.20 | Lee__ | oh, it's lame again... |
| 05:28.21 | encompass | google it |
| 05:28.22 | Coke | Lee__: a Kona Coiler with new fork, steering and gears. |
| 05:28.36 | doojin | Coke : how can your mom use debian? |
| 05:28.37 | encompass | Lee_ goto #bikes and see if you can talk to someone there |
| 05:28.43 | doojin | coke : Did she abandon debian? |
| 05:29.15 | encompass | when debian is working right... and people don't need anymore, they will use the same system there whole life. |
| 05:29.24 | encompass | like me |
| 05:29.35 | Coke | doojin: she does fine with Debian. just the other day she told me "my friends are pressuring me to use Windows so I can read their power point stuff, but I just don't want the problems everybody seems to be having with their computers" |
| 05:29.36 | cheal | doojin: he's bill clinton's secretary |
| 05:29.45 | Lee__ | Coke, fancy. I got a custom built fixed gear carbon fiber fork. 46/14 gear ratio. |
| 05:29.46 | cheal | doojin: I mean Bill Gates |
| 05:29.59 | Phated | Coke: Feh? OO.o can read powerpoint fine. |
| 05:30.02 | Coke | Lee__: I freeride. What do you do? |
| 05:30.33 | Coke | Phated: yeah, but she wants it to pop up in the email program like images do. |
| 05:30.35 | Lee__ | getting into track racing. mostly just commuting in NYC. fixed gears are good here. it's flat. |
| 05:30.42 | Phated | Coke: Ew. |
| 05:30.56 | doojin | can I download ubuntu through debian server? |
| 05:31.06 | Coke | Phated: also other crap, like executable postcards and other virus spreading shite numb nuts send to each other because they have nothing better to do. |
| 05:31.36 | Phated | Urgh. I'd rather not have those work, thanks. |
| 05:31.39 | Lee__ | is there a GNU visio viewer? a co-worker asked me about that once. |
| 05:31.56 | Coke | Lee__: then we ride different styles. my bike sucks for track riding, it's built for downhill and trial. |
| 05:32.28 | Coke | Lee__: there's some UML interchange format that Rose and most UML design tools in GNU uses, don't know if Visio supports it. |
| 05:32.59 | Lee__ | that's cool. you got a fancy downhill. my downhill is limited to bridges :) |
| 05:33.01 | Coke | Lee__: visio is MS, right? If I know them correctly they will have added support for loading that format, but saving makes a slightly uncompatible file. |
| 05:33.28 | Lee__ | It's very much MS. I dn't need to create, just view. |
| 05:33.38 | drakh | Coke, what is the closes gnu tool to visio? |
| 05:33.54 | drakh | closest |
| 05:33.54 | Lee__ | my network manager does his topology diagrams in visio. |
| 05:33.58 | Coke | drakh: hm. umbrello is pretty good, it's for KDE though. |
| 05:33.59 | doojin | jesus |
| 05:34.13 | jm_ | drakh: try dia |
| 05:34.25 | drakh | ok |
| 05:34.26 | row | This is odd now 2.4 and 2.6 don't work :/ |
| 05:34.31 | Coke | drakh: dia is like a drawing program, umbrello is more for programmers since it's UML only. |
| 05:34.36 | drakh | do you guys love debian |
| 05:35.04 | encompass | I would use dia |
| 05:35.05 | Lee__ | row, you may have bad hardware |
| 05:35.12 | encompass | love.. no I love my wife |
| 05:35.16 | row | linux lernel modules needed to drive some of your hardware are not ava yet... |
| 05:35.20 | Coke | drakh: Debian makes you around twice as efficient as everybody else, gotta love that. |
| 05:35.21 | row | pci bridge stuff |
| 05:35.27 | row | Lee__: worked as of few hours ago |
| 05:35.43 | Lee__ | sounds like bad hardware. intermittent. |
| 05:35.59 | Lee__ | ever work on a machine with bad ram? |
| 05:36.05 | row | Lee__: it can't load via-ircc/ide-scsi/ide-mod/ide-probe-mod/ide-detect/ide-floopy |
| 05:36.05 | drakh | coke, I was pleased when I found out the debian folks were the ones responsible for apt :> |
| 05:36.10 | row | Lee__: yes. |
| 05:36.39 | mansu | Coke: i checked that in kmix. it is high |
| 05:36.47 | Lee__ | row, wow. that's a pretty important roll call. really sounds like bad hardware. |
| 05:37.01 | mansu | Coke: where can i see if mic is selected as recording device? |
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| 05:37.11 | Coke | mansu: it should be marked somehow. |
| 05:37.12 | row | Lee__: it was working fine a hour or so ago, hardware is fine I think...... |
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| 05:37.34 | Coke | mansu: I use aumix (for ALSA) and you press space on the control you wish to record from and it gets a red marker. |
| 05:37.54 | Coke | drakh: but hey |
| 05:37.58 | mansu | Coke: ok |
| 05:38.01 | drakh | has anyone here used both office 2003 and openoffice.org a good amount? if so do you think one is better then the other? |
| 05:38.05 | Lee__ | mansu, I use JACK for any recording. |
| 05:38.07 | Coke | dia is "good", but it renders poorly. |
| 05:38.12 | Coke | in fact, dia is butt ugly. |
| 05:38.16 | drakh | ;/ |
| 05:38.20 | Lee__ | dia is "functional" |
| 05:38.20 | drakh | what about umbrello |
| 05:38.35 | Lee__ | the Cisco icons are funny. |
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| 05:39.03 | Coke | the snap-to-grid / align objects is not good either. |
| 05:39.21 | Coke | drakh: ah, umbrello is mainly for UML. I thought it was UML you wanted to draw, not topology. |
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| 05:39.41 | drakh | well with visio you can do both |
| 05:39.47 | Coke | dia -will- work for you, you just have to work a lot at making it look nice if that is important to you. |
| 05:39.50 | encompass | office 2003 is like expensive... so the other is better ;P |
| 05:39.54 | drakh | I was concerned with database ERDs and netowrk diagrans |
| 05:40.02 | drakh | diagrams |
| 05:40.03 | Lee__ | visio even gives you a fancy 3D background with a gradient! |
| 05:40.03 | Coke | drakh: you can draw UML with dia too, as well as circuit schemes, network topology and whatever. |
| 05:40.14 | encompass | eek |
| 05:40.19 | Lee__ | good for impressing fools. |
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| 05:40.32 | drakh | well I liked the way visio does erds... |
| 05:40.32 | Coke | drakh: dia has it all, umbrello has UML only. |
| 05:40.46 | OrgulloKmoore | Hey, how can I easily change the keyboard layout in Gnome (in KDE there's a button in the toolbar and it's easy..) |
| 05:40.51 | Coke | also, dia doesn't interact differently towards different types of objects. |
| 05:40.55 | drakh | ok, I will remember this |
| 05:41.03 | drakh | next time I need to do an erd or net diagram |
| 05:41.22 | row | Hey you know how you used o be able to do rescue=/dev/hda for example on boot floopies how come you can't do that with netinst cdrom? |
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| 05:42.10 | drakh | have you guys played with ntop |
| 05:42.19 | drakh | I just discovered it, and set it up on my debian firewall |
| 05:42.22 | drakh | it's pretty sweet |
| 05:42.31 | drakh | well this weekend I just started using debian as well |
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| 05:45.14 | drakh | do any of you use debian for your desktop computers |
| 05:45.22 | drakh | at home |
| 05:45.37 | cheal | !tell drakh about anyone use |
| 05:45.43 | drakh | no |
| 05:45.50 | drakh | don't do that cheal |
| 05:46.20 | cheal | drakh: ok, so I won't answer your question, like everyone else. |
| 05:46.20 | mansu | Lee__: any other way of recording sound? |
| 05:46.20 | drakh | it's a good conversation, discussing how well linux is doing on the desktop |
| 05:46.24 | cheal | good question though |
| 05:46.50 | cheal | drakh: no thanks. good the thounsand "state of desktop linux" articles instead |
| 05:46.59 | drakh | what? |
| 05:47.02 | cheal | oops |
| 05:47.05 | cheal | brain fuckage |
| 05:47.10 | drakh | 0o |
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| 05:47.13 | cheal | s/good/go read |
| 05:47.14 | drakh | !tell cheal how to type |
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| 05:47.21 | drakh | :P |
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| 05:47.31 | byon | any idea |
| 05:47.38 | drakh | any idea what |
| 05:47.46 | drakh | any ideas you mean? does anyone have ideas here? |
| 05:47.48 | byon | why isnt apache 2.0.55 released in apt packages? |
| 05:47.49 | drakh | I'm sure some do |
| 05:47.52 | byon | ;) |
| 05:47.55 | drakh | ah |
| 05:48.06 | cheal | byon: because it's not done yet? |
| 05:48.08 | dondelelcaro | byon: because the maintainer hasn't uploaded it yet. |
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| 05:48.23 | byon | hmm.. |
| 05:48.36 | byon | that leaves apache2 vulnerable to the released exploits right? |
| 05:48.39 | drakh | so you folks that use linux as your desktop, do you find you miss apps in windows? |
| 05:48.40 | byon | which worries me |
| 05:48.43 | drakh | better cheal? :) |
| 05:48.47 | timw | drakh, nope! |
| 05:48.53 | dondelelcaro | byon: not necessarily; we backport patches like that. |
| 05:48.56 | timw | drakh, oh, you mean when on a windows box? |
| 05:48.57 | timw | drakh, yes |
| 05:49.02 | byon | dondelelcaro: backport? |
| 05:49.11 | byon | not sure whether i got you there. |
| 05:49.12 | byon | -.- |
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| 05:50.06 | dondelelcaro | byon: if you're talking about CAN-2005-1268, it's been fixed already. |
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| 05:50.26 | dondelelcaro | same with CAN-2005-2700 |
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| 05:50.28 | kds | drakh: we might have more windows applications in Linux than M$W |
| 05:50.39 | byon | hmm. |
| 05:50.55 | cheal | drakh: perhaps a bit, but that's still better suited for discussion with your geek friends |
| 05:51.06 | drakh | what? cheal why? |
| 05:51.16 | cheal | drakh: unless you're actually going somewhere with this |
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| 05:51.26 | drakh | why do I need to go somewhere? |
| 05:51.31 | drakh | I can't have casual conversation here? |
| 05:51.35 | byon | does that mean i can safely say that i am patched with the latest updates similar to the ones released in version 2.0.55? |
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| 05:52.26 | dondelelcaro | byon: if there is a bug for that particular CAN, and it has been marked as fixed in the BTS for that version, yes. |
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| 05:52.40 | cheal | drakh: well there are over 400 people in this channel. few of them are interested in reading discussions that are always similar and aren't useful |
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| 05:53.20 | Josey | is there anyway to upgrade from vc6++ to 7 to use directx sdk updates? |
| 05:53.24 | drakh | hmm I will remember that |
| 05:53.41 | dondelelcaro | byon: from just glancing, it looks like almost all of them have been fixed in unstable. |
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| 05:54.07 | deconvolution | hi, recently i did dist-upgrade for my blocale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory and stop upgrade, how to solve this?ox, and dpkg complains: |
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| 05:54.22 | dondelelcaro | and DSA 805-1 covers them in stable. |
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| 05:54.30 | cipo | which debian-based linux desktop is good for newbie? |
| 05:54.40 | drakh | ubuntu |
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| 05:54.59 | cipo | ah |
| 05:55.00 | dondelelcaro | deconvolution: it's just a warning; build whatever locale you are using using dpkg-reconfigure locales; |
| 05:55.15 | dondelelcaro | deconvolution: during an upgrade you may see that warning if the locales are being upgraded. |
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| 05:55.31 | row | how do I load a floppy.img onto a floppy disk? |
| 05:55.40 | dondelelcaro | row: dd if=floppy.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 05:55.44 | servus | dd if=floppy.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 05:55.46 | servus | Doh |
| 05:55.47 | row | ta |
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| 05:56.02 | deconvolution | dondelelcaro: i did ,and the output is : /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 05:56.11 | byon | hmm ok |
| 05:56.13 | tcsetattr | just as good as cat floppy.img>/dev/fd0 |
| 05:56.14 | byon | thks ya |
| 05:56.16 | byon | ;) |
| 05:56.26 | dondelelcaro | deconvolution: dpkg --configure -a; then rerun dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
| 05:56.28 | mansu | hi all, when i do a cat /dev/audio i see garbage on my console... but when i redirect it to a file.. as in cat /dev/audio > abc , the file has 0 bytes |
| 05:56.58 | tcsetattr | mansu, you're probably not waiting long enough for the stdio buffer to fill. |
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| 05:57.17 | ke6isf | mansu: Why are you doing that, though? |
| 05:57.34 | deadcat | theres got to be a better way to switch channels in irssi. like screen ^a + " |
| 05:57.42 | mansu | ke6isf: i am actually recording my voice to test my mic ... |
| 05:57.43 | tcsetattr | although it should only take a second... |
| 05:57.46 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: meta-number... |
| 05:58.05 | dondelelcaro | (or alt or whatever you've got it mapped to) |
| 05:58.09 | mansu | tcsetattr: i want to write it a file not stdio |
| 05:58.11 | deconvolution | dondelelcaro: dpkg complains about util-linux package broaken and rerun that command failed to setting locale |
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| 05:58.18 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: no i mean like a list of the channels so i can select. i dont remember what number goes with which chan. |
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| 05:58.31 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: /win list |
| 05:58.44 | byon | hey, if i'm running debian 3.1 that means i'm sarge right? in my apt sources can i use 'testing' updates? |
| 05:58.49 | tcsetattr | mansu, stdio is the standard C I/O library, used by almost all programs, including cat. It behaves differently when the output is a terminal (less buffering). |
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| 05:58.58 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah. close. but i have to switch to 1 to see them |
| 05:59.00 | dondelelcaro | deconvolution: we'll need the complete ouptut of the dpkg --configure -a; run |
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| 05:59.14 | ke6isf | byon: Yes, you are running Sarge, and doing testing updates is inadviseable - if you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 05:59.20 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: wierd, I see them in the current window... |
| 05:59.20 | encompass | when running rsync what is the speedup thing supposed to mean? |
| 05:59.31 | deconvolution | dondelelcaro: pretty-long output, may i paste it into #flood? |
| 05:59.40 | dondelelcaro | deconvolution: use the paster bot |
| 05:59.42 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i use default irssi config |
| 05:59.46 | cheal | encompass: doesn't man rsync cover that? |
| 05:59.53 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: heh; that would be why |
| 05:59.59 | deadcat | hehe |
| 06:00.07 | mansu | tcsetattr: but how long should i wait... the last time i tried it it wasn't more than 2 seconds |
| 06:00.08 | tcsetattr | mansu, you could try running "strace cat /dev/audio > somefile", see what that tells you. |
| 06:00.10 | encompass | umm, didn't see it |
| 06:00.12 | romany | Hi. I am not sure how to configure LVM during CD install (sarge)... Do I go through guided partitioning first, i.e. select say multiuser server and then go to Configure the Logical Volume Manager in the menu? |
| 06:00.14 | byon | ke6isf: hmm why? |
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| 06:00.26 | byon | ke6isf: but i need wordpress from 'testing' |
| 06:00.59 | kreg | damn |
| 06:01.03 | dondelelcaro | byon: so get a backport of it |
| 06:01.04 | kreg | this channel is |
| 06:01.06 | kreg | getting big |
| 06:01.07 | dondelelcaro | !tell byon -about backports |
| 06:01.08 | tcsetattr | mansu, assuming /dev/audio is set at the default 8KHz 8-bit mono... I have no idea how big the default stdio buffers are... give it 15 seconds and if nothing happens then it's not the buffers. |
| 06:01.12 | kreg | freenode is getting huge as well |
| 06:01.19 | cheal | encompass: if it doesn't, it's about how the rsync algorythm speeds up the transfer compared to a full copy of modified files |
| 06:01.26 | dondelelcaro | kreg: this channel is usually ~ 700 users... |
| 06:01.40 | byon | oh |
| 06:01.44 | kreg | dondelelcaro, overflow? |
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| 06:02.09 | encompass | ohh |
| 06:02.16 | encompass | so it is a rating... cool |
| 06:02.17 | dondelelcaro | kreg: no, generally FN fuckage; someone either exploited one of the boxes that chanserv runs on, or snagged a password to it late on friday... |
| 06:02.20 | deconvolution | dondelelcaro: i have pasted it about the output of dpkg --configure -a |
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| 06:02.24 | cheal | oh wow, freenode just dived in the >25000 users class |
| 06:02.25 | encompass | yeah, I didn''t see it in the man |
| 06:02.31 | encompass | thank you very much |
| 06:02.39 | dondelelcaro | deconvolution: what url? |
| 06:02.40 | byon | dondelelcaro: but backport doesn't have wordpress package. |
| 06:02.54 | deconvolution | http://channels.debian.net/paste/916 |
| 06:03.00 | MrPrimate | can anyone clear up what debian does about the /etc/modules.conf ?? the file says to see man update-modules, but that manpage says update-modules is incomplete |
| 06:03.05 | mansu | tcsetattr: yes it was the buffer after 15 sec... it wrote the file...i mean it called write |
| 06:03.11 | MrPrimate | I just want to put some things into my modules.conf and not have debian overwrite them |
| 06:03.17 | deconvolution | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/916 |
| 06:03.28 | dondelelcaro | byon: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=wordpress&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 06:03.38 | MrPrimate | (I have a realtek sound card, the src compile driver works, but then you reboot and it doesn't work anymore -- I suspect modules.conf) |
| 06:04.05 | Guerin | byon: it's just php ... untar the upstream source in your webroot and go to it |
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| 06:04.26 | byon | omg wow |
| 06:04.33 | tcsetattr | mansu, you could bypass stdio by using dd instead of cat, if you tell it bs=1000 then it'll be doing a write() 8 times per second |
| 06:04.33 | dondelelcaro | deconvolution: uh, something bad has happened to /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/pager |
| 06:04.43 | Guerin | that's actually a problem I have regularly with debian packages for specific web things |
| 06:04.45 | dondelelcaro | deconvolution: if you have a backup of that file, restore it from backups. |
| 06:04.46 | byon | Guerin: nah the problem is, i need to rely on the updates from the package maintainer |
| 06:05.08 | MrPrimate | do I use /etc/modutils or not?? debian manpages say that they are making it obsolete ! |
| 06:05.12 | Guerin | if I need more than one instance of it on the machine, I have to do all sorts of stupid jiggery-pokery to get it working |
| 06:05.22 | dondelelcaro | MrPrimate: use modconf and /etc/modules |
| 06:05.28 | Guerin | or i could just untar a whole source in each user's webroot |
| 06:05.29 | mansu | tcsetattr: so now can i say that mic is working and the problem is not with hardware... but i am still unable to record data or use skype...thats my problem.. |
| 06:05.31 | dondelelcaro | deconvolution: otherwise, move the version there away, and reinstall less |
| 06:05.35 | deconvolution | dondelelcaro: i do have another debian box, can I use that machine's file? |
| 06:05.39 | MrPrimate | dondelelcaro, muchos gracias |
| 06:05.46 | jm_ | MrParity_: depends - do you use 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:05.46 | dondelelcaro | deconvolution: if it has the same things installed, yes |
| 06:05.53 | mansu | tcsetattr: just wondering where can be the problem.. |
| 06:05.54 | tcsetattr | mansu, if cat /dev/audio works you are recording data just fine :) |
| 06:05.55 | jm_ | MrPrimate ^^^^ |
| 06:06.07 | MrPrimate | jm_, if that's for me, yes, |
| 06:06.08 | deconvolution | dondelelcaro: sorry, what's mean same things? |
| 06:06.36 | jm_ | MrPrimate: well the easiest thing would be to stick it in modules file (man modules) |
| 06:06.50 | dondelelcaro | deconvolution: if you have the same set of things that provide a pager (less, w3m, pg, more) then you can just copy it over. |
| 06:06.54 | deconvolution | dondelelcaro: which package? do i have to copy that pager file to the same location |
| 06:06.56 | MrPrimate | jm_ all of the alsa ones and the realtek one too huh ? |
| 06:07.07 | dondelelcaro | deconvolution: just copy it into the same location... |
| 06:07.29 | jm_ | MrPrimate: otherwise it's /etc/modprobe.d - you don't need all of them, some of them depend on each other and will be loaded automatically - I suppose the top-level module is enough, plus maybe OSS modules if you need them |
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| 06:08.30 | byon | omg i used to update testing packages on my box, how should i remove them? |
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| 06:08.36 | aeronadix | hey that xdesktopwaves is soo cool, its got me laughing, what else is there like that? |
| 06:08.43 | deconvolution | dondelelcaro:a stupid question, cp what files to which location? |
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| 06:08.48 | MrPrimate | jm_, any method for determining the main one?, I see 'snd' on lsmod shows most others listed after itself |
| 06:09.00 | dondelelcaro | deconvolution: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/pager to /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/pager |
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| 06:09.37 | jm_ | MrPrimate: lspci then find a matching module |
| 06:10.16 | aeronadix | \j #mgp |
| 06:10.18 | byon | i think i screwed up my machines |
| 06:10.25 | byon | dondelelcaro hmm can i pm u? |
| 06:10.25 | byon | -.-- |
| 06:10.36 | MrPrimate | jm: I know it's the ac97 or the intel8x0, but do I need to write also snd snd_timer, snd_pcm, snd pcm_oss, etc ? |
| 06:10.41 | dondelelcaro | byon: keep it in the channel; I'm going to dissapear shortly. |
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| 06:11.25 | MrPrimate | lswell I will just try and find out, thanks for the help jm_ and dondelelcaro |
| 06:11.39 | byon | ok |
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| 06:11.42 | jm_ | MrPrimate: then use snd-ixyz for i8x0 stuff - that's up to you, i.e. if you use OSS apps (in my case they're loaded automatically anyway) |
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| 06:11.58 | byon | i have 3 debian boxes, i can't remember which one is 3.1 and which one is 3.0 |
| 06:12.06 | byon | and all of them have updates from stable/unstable/testing |
| 06:12.08 | byon | lol |
| 06:12.15 | byon | is it going to cause a problem infuture? |
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| 06:13.12 | row | hey you know on the debian install floppies you can do rescue root=/dev/hdb3 for example how would I tell it thats a ext3 partitin? |
| 06:14.00 | dondelelcaro | row: it should figure it out itself. |
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| 06:14.27 | dondelelcaro | byon: uh, it may; if you haven't been paying attention, you're probably running unstable on everything. apt-cache policy; will tell you for sure |
| 06:14.30 | Roberto-76 | how does one install a few debian files downloaded to my hard drive. I put them in /home/xxx/deb/ and added that location as a repository in the package manager. but the package manager does not see the files i placed there. even after a reload of the manager,what am I missing to get the manager to see the 3 files I placed there? |
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| 06:14.43 | dondelelcaro | Roberto-76: just dpkg -i foo.deb; them |
| 06:14.58 | Roberto-76 | thanks |
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| 06:15.23 | dondelelcaro | Roberto-76: otherwise, use apt-ftparchive packages . |gzip -c>Packages.gz; then add deb file:///path/to/archive ./; in your sources.list |
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| 06:15.59 | byon | dondelelcaro: omg! can i remove the unstable packages? |
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| 06:16.34 | byon | dondelelcaro: its like the system has a crontab running every 4am doing apt-get update and upgrade on the unstable packages |
| 06:16.37 | byon | sheet. |
| 06:16.42 | byon | dpkg -l | grep wordpress |
| 06:16.42 | dpkg | grep wordpress 3.7-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 06:16.44 | byon | oops -.- |
| 06:17.07 | byon | lol thks. |
| 06:17.15 | deeler | what are the possibilities to autorun a script at boot ? ? ? |
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| 06:17.39 | byon | should i format my debian boxes and restart over again? would unstable cause a security issue? |
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| 06:18.06 | dondelelcaro | deeler: add an init.d script; use a crontab @reboot rule; those are pretty much your options. |
| 06:18.22 | bleck | can someone tell me what the difference is between xfree86 and xorg? |
| 06:18.31 | deconvolution | dondelelcaro: that warning has been removed, cool, but apt-get -f install still cannot keep going, i pasted to: http://channels.debian.net/paste/917 |
| 06:18.41 | riddick | i am trying to comile a kernel using xconfig and I am getting an error "Unable to find the QT installation" Can someone help me remedy this error? |
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| 06:18.52 | deeler | dondelcaro, i'm not familiar with the crontab way, can you give an example ? |
| 06:18.53 | row | where can I locate the bf2.4 floppy images? |
| 06:18.59 | dondelelcaro | deeler: man 5 crontab |
| 06:19.05 | mrapples | does anyone know of a good p2p hub i can run on my lan party server, there will be around 60 windows users on the network, i need it to have a search function and be fairly easy to use, i have tried direct connect, but the file hashing takes too long for a lan party, i also tried opennap with winmx as the client, but we had issues with the server when share lists were too large |
| 06:19.37 | chealer | riddick, the friendly manual, most likely |
| 06:20.02 | deeler | dondelelcaro, will the script then be run right after crond is started ? |
| 06:20.08 | riddick | what manual i have searched google and i have not found the answer yet |
| 06:20.16 | row | mrapples: use bittorrent? |
| 06:20.24 | bleck | is xorg simply a different license for xfree86? |
| 06:20.30 | chealer | riddick, kernel-package's doc |
| 06:20.39 | chealer | bleck, no, it's a fork |
| 06:21.03 | bleck | chealer: so different features? |
| 06:21.15 | mrapples | row, well i need the users to be able to share very large numbers of files, so i thought creating a torrent for each wasnt really practical |
| 06:21.27 | riddick | i have not had to read the kernel-package on other distros to address a QT issue . it only came up when i installed debian on this machine. so just see the README and QT info will be in the linux kernel source? |
| 06:21.33 | riddick | i checked it and nada. |
| 06:21.43 | tcsetattr | eek! let's get a sense of history here. XFree86 was a fork of the X Consortium code that gained dominance for a while, but now we're back to where it started. |
| 06:21.50 | SimonRaven | apt-cache search qt dev |
| 06:21.55 | SimonRaven | riddick: ^^^ |
| 06:22.09 | chealer | bleck, yes. wikipedia could explicit the difference if you really want to know |
| 06:22.49 | riddick | SimonRaven, I have libqt4-dev already installed but i will check to see if there are any other need qt dev files |
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| 06:23.05 | SimonRaven | lidit's looking for qt3 |
| 06:23.07 | bleck | chealer: thanks for the info. |
| 06:23.10 | chealer | riddick, it will probably be in the linux kernel source too, but I was suggesting to look at kernel-package's doc |
| 06:23.13 | SimonRaven | riddick: ^^ |
| 06:23.40 | bleck | is it possible to implement different qt.. skins? / widgets? |
| 06:23.50 | chealer | riddick, kernel-package will mention a Debian package name |
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| 06:24.26 | riddick | found a package qt4-dev-tools that maybe the ticket |
| 06:24.45 | riddick | err nope i will keep reading and searching |
| 06:24.48 | SimonRaven | no it isn't |
| 06:25.02 | SimonRaven | it's looking for qt3... |
| 06:25.07 | riddick | i see |
| 06:25.35 | bleck | :sniff: |
| 06:25.42 | bleck | sorry just testing socmething. |
| 06:25.53 | bleck | s/socme/some/ |
| 06:25.54 | SimonRaven | no, this isn't a web forum |
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| 06:26.18 | bleck | simonraven, yes, thankyou. |
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| 06:28.12 | aeronadix | hey guys, I install kde, gnome, and xfce4 for fun, but now my sound isn't working, anyone have an idea why, and what I can do? |
| 06:30.18 | aeronadix | This is what happens alsa-space: xrun of at least 2.914 msecs. resetting stream 0.7% 0 0 56% |
| 06:30.41 | row | This is fucked, its not a hardware fault I got old root partition up and networking is fine |
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| 06:32.17 | deeler | dondelelcaro, i've added "@reboot /root/connect_script" to crontab on the last line, should that be all ? |
| 06:34.42 | tcsetattr | as long as you understand the difference between "a crontab" and "/etc/crontab" |
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| 06:37.22 | Danar_ | are there no plugins for eclipse for other than java? |
| 06:38.25 | chealer | Danar_, #eclipse could answer that |
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| 06:38.56 | Danar_ | chealer, i don't see anything but java stuff for eclipse in the repository |
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| 06:39.11 | Danar_ | but it says it's supposed to be for any language |
| 06:39.43 | Danar_ | i'm looking for a good ide |
| 06:40.06 | liable | man, i wish i could get my stuppid modem to work reliably, and would banish windows forever. its the only time i have to use the stupid os. :( |
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| 06:40.34 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 06:40.45 | aeronadix | modem, whats that? |
| 06:40.49 | poonj | where do I go to configure a button, lets say F12, to run a command in the system? |
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| 06:41.30 | liable | aeronadix: haha, only when in shitty hotels that dont have any internet facilities.. |
| 06:41.42 | MrPrimate | hey guys, I was able to get sound working in console,, strangely it does not work in gnome however ! |
| 06:41.58 | MrPrimate | I can even run mplayer from terminal and hear sound, but not from xmms -- |
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| 06:42.52 | jm_ | MrPrimate: check which output plugin xmms is using |
| 06:43.06 | MrPrimate | jm_ gnome sound mixer applet also won't set volume though, drops to bottom every time |
| 06:43.20 | MrPrimate | as if there is no card to mix |
| 06:43.26 | Gnea | MrPrimate: xmms has its own handling of sound output |
| 06:43.32 | jm_ | MrPrimate: well I am not familiar with gnome |
| 06:43.42 | MrPrimate | if I type /usr/bin/esd I get /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
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| 06:43.45 | MrPrimate | could this be a problem ? |
| 06:43.49 | Gnea | no |
| 06:43.57 | MrPrimate | does gnome still use esd ? |
| 06:44.01 | Gnea | MrPrimate: tell it to use the alsa output plugin |
| 06:44.06 | jm_ | esd supports ALSA too, plue you could do without ESD |
| 06:44.10 | Gnea | MrPrimate: esd is a piece of crap |
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| 06:44.12 | jm_ | plus* |
| 06:44.27 | MrPrimate | OK, so now xmms works great with ALSA output, |
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| 06:44.34 | MrPrimate | but how do I make the rest of gnome use ALSA as well |
| 06:44.41 | MrPrimate | maybe I simply remove esd package ? |
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| 06:44.57 | jm_ | check in the preferences somewhere and try to disabled esd |
| 06:45.19 | MrPrimate | jm_ audio pref for gnome has crappy options... only option really is to [ ] Enable sound server |
| 06:45.20 | Gnea | as root, modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 06:45.28 | Gnea | that will generate a /dev/dsp |
| 06:45.44 | Gnea | and thus enable esd to work |
| 06:45.50 | MrPrimate | Gnea, interesting that you know that. |
| 06:45.58 | Gnea | MrPrimate: years of experience. |
| 06:46.01 | MrPrimate | Gnea, it certainly created it, i'll check if sound works now, will restart gnome and try also |
| 06:46.14 | Gnea | MrPrimate: many, many people know it |
| 06:46.19 | MrPrimate | esd certainly works |
| 06:46.19 | tcsetattr | that's funny, I access my /dev/dsp to cause snd_pcm_oss to be loaded. |
| 06:46.23 | SimonRaven | MrPrimate: desktop > multimedia systems selector |
| 06:46.24 | Gnea | MrPrimate: it's not uncommon knowledge |
| 06:46.29 | tcsetattr | freakin udev making everything work backwards. |
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| 06:46.39 | SimonRaven | tcsetattr: *sigh* |
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| 06:47.06 | MrPrimate | thanks Gnea i'll try to restart gdm now and see if sound works, brb |
| 06:47.06 | tcsetattr | I don't know if I've been sighed with or sighed at. :) |
| 06:47.08 | SimonRaven | s/making everything work backwards// |
| 06:47.12 | SimonRaven | with |
| 06:47.16 | jm_ | MrPrimate: that is esd |
| 06:47.22 | neil__ | Hi I have a question I have just installed 'sarge' from a DVD and as its a server stoped it starting up 'gdm' in runmode 2. I have noticed that when not using gnome it doesn't auto mount USB devices anyone know why? |
| 06:47.55 | Gnea | neil__: could be a gnome applet that's handling that - there's another package that does that independant of gnome |
| 06:48.15 | jm_ | neil__: there's usbmount or hotplug that you could use for this |
| 06:48.48 | tcsetattr | that's one of the things that really confuses me about udev. It basically kills kmod. When did kmod become a bad thing? |
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| 06:49.17 | neil__ | jm_: I think its got hotplug, how could I check if its working? |
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| 06:49.57 | MrPrimate | hey I just wanted to let you know that the sound fix worked, thanks guys |
| 06:50.04 | Gnea | cool |
| 06:50.09 | MrPrimate | it just wanted a /dev/dsp for esd |
| 06:50.13 | neil__ | jm_: The usb storage etc. comes up in 'dmesg' |
| 06:50.14 | jm_ | neil__: hotplug can execute scripts when devices are pluged in, in your example usb-storage should be executed, but seeing as you asked this, I think it would be easier to look at usbmount |
| 06:50.26 | Gnea | MrPrimate: just toss that module name in /etc/modules then |
| 06:50.26 | MrPrimate | now if I can only get it to stop resetting the hardware clock every reboot - i'm gold |
| 06:50.39 | MrPrimate | Gnea, it was not a permenant fix ? |
| 06:50.44 | SimonRaven | i bet dead battery, or crappy bios |
| 06:50.46 | Gnea | MrPrimate: /etc/modules is |
| 06:50.50 | jm_ | MrPrimate: resetting it how? |
| 06:50.54 | MrPrimate | Gnea, now I forget which module, something oss |
| 06:51.00 | neil__ | jm_: OK |
| 06:51.01 | Gnea | lsmod | grep oss |
| 06:51.02 | Gnea | that'll tellya |
| 06:51.03 | MrPrimate | jm_ every time I reboot, I get some random time... |
| 06:51.11 | MrPrimate | pcm_oss or mixer_oss |
| 06:51.16 | Gnea | lsmod | grep oss |
| 06:51.18 | SimonRaven | snd_ |
| 06:51.18 | jm_ | MrPrimate: ahh see what SimonRaven said |
| 06:51.22 | Danar_ | W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
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| 06:51.32 | MrPrimate | Gnea, there is snd_mixer_oss and snd_pcm_ss |
| 06:51.32 | Gnea | it'll be on the left column |
| 06:51.37 | SimonRaven | Danar_: so add the key |
| 06:51.43 | Gnea | MrPrimate: mixer assumes pcm |
| 06:51.53 | SimonRaven | Danar_: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 06:51.53 | MrPrimate | Gnea, got it thanks |
| 06:52.01 | Danar_ | SimonRaven, i've never done it for anything else, why would i need to for that one? |
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| 06:52.33 | MrPrimate | so I told this my time zone, and I set the proper time, and then I reboot and it has some random time it makes up |
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| 06:52.48 | MrPrimate | must I commit to hardware clock before reboot with some hwclock command ? (ridiculous) |
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| 06:53.33 | bucky | MrPrimate, is your bios set to local time or UTC ? |
| 06:53.43 | MrPrimate | bucky, I can check... which should I be using ? |
| 06:53.51 | MrPrimate | bucky, I am setting the time in Linux iwth rdate time.nist.gov |
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| 06:54.09 | bucky | that might fix it |
| 06:54.16 | MrPrimate | bucky, i'll switch the bios setting and find out... thanks... otherwise good night everyone |
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| 06:54.27 | Gnea | !ntpdate |
| 06:54.27 | dpkg | methinks ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, and add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf. |
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| 06:54.30 | jm_ | mrpri;Debian does that itself |
| 06:54.36 | jm_ | doh |
| 06:54.46 | Gnea | oops |
| 06:55.19 | SimonRaven | !iburst |
| 06:55.24 | bucky | i think debian took over my bios once |
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| 06:56.04 | encompass | !moooo |
| 06:56.06 | encompass | !moo |
| 06:56.06 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 06:56.22 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 06:56.26 | SimonRaven | !iburst is <reply>iburst is a setting for ntpd that permits it to send out NTP packets to sync to remote NTP servers. unlike burst, this only happens on start, so it is gentle on already busy NTPds |
| 06:56.26 | dpkg | okay, SimonRaven |
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| 06:56.46 | neil__ | jm_: Do you know what package usbmount is in I tried to install 'usbmount' and 'usb-mount' |
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| 06:57.05 | jm_ | neil__: usbmount is the package name |
| 06:57.29 | eXa_bOy | i love debian |
| 06:57.58 | encompass | me too! |
| 06:58.01 | sep | eXa_bOy, how do the wife and kids feel about that ? :) |
| 06:58.12 | encompass | my wife hates it... less sex |
| 06:58.13 | eXa_bOy | she hates computers |
| 06:58.21 | eXa_bOy | same here encompass |
| 06:58.29 | eXa_bOy | masturbation is the key ;) |
| 06:58.44 | encompass | umm, I don't think so |
| 06:58.45 | liable | your wife gets less sex cause of the computer? |
| 06:59.03 | jm_ | I suppose I'll never understand ntpd, it just refuses to sync the time on my machine at times |
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| 06:59.15 | encompass | well, I don't mean it, but I know my wife has to be in the mood for it, and me on the cfomputer doesn't help |
| 06:59.20 | fireba11 | morning ppl ... *out of breath* just had to go 3 storeys down to the server room without elevator .. had a power outage yesterday ^^ |
| 06:59.41 | encompass | and your STILL out of breath! |
| 06:59.56 | eXa_bOy | puffed from 3 stories? jesus what do you weigh? 400 pound? |
| 06:59.57 | fireba11 | jm_ ntpd doesn't sync if difference is too great you know ? |
| 07:00.09 | encompass | nono he went REALLY fast |
| 07:00.15 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 07:00.20 | jm_ | fireba11: yes, but it was fine when it started, I can see it on munin graph |
| 07:00.20 | fireba11 | eXa_bOy: no.. i just went up that to my office, down to the server romm and up again in 10 minutes |
| 07:00.23 | SimonRaven | jm_: debian's default ntp.conf is ok for 99% of workstations. often it's a good idea to have one server sync externally, then clients/workstations sync to it. distributes the load |
| 07:00.34 | fireba11 | jm_ hm .. broken clock on that server ? |
| 07:00.35 | eXa_bOy | fair enought |
| 07:00.38 | encompass | haha |
| 07:00.47 | Gnea | fireba11: you need a firemans pole |
| 07:00.49 | SimonRaven | or redundant ntpds running on the lan, just in case one goes down |
| 07:00.50 | encompass | ok ok so thats like what 9 stories |
| 07:00.55 | encompass | I can't count |
| 07:01.17 | jm_ | fireba11: well it drifted from 1.5s on Thursday to 7s today |
| 07:01.18 | fireba11 | Gnea: good idea, will recommend that for the enw office, they aren't done buiilding that one yet :-) |
| 07:01.27 | encompass | firemans pole umm I would hate to go up |
| 07:01.40 | fireba11 | encompass: 11 to be precise .. servers are in the cellar after all |
| 07:01.40 | jm_ | SimonRaven: we have a company-wide NTP server that does that, and I sync to it |
| 07:01.42 | mkl1525 | Hi, does anybody know if it's possible to use rsync to synchronize file with a windows shared directory when no instance of rsync is running/installed on the windows box? Or is there some other tool you would suggest to do this job (especially in view of solving conflicts)? |
| 07:01.46 | Gnea | fireba11: ha |
| 07:01.47 | encompass | go for a set of rocket shoes |
| 07:01.47 | fireba11 | jm_ not that bad |
| 07:01.48 | SimonRaven | jm_: ok |
| 07:01.49 | bleck | wonder if firemans poles would be bad when you are drunk. |
| 07:01.57 | encompass | YES |
| 07:02.11 | jm_ | fireba11: yeah, except it should be kept in sync ;) |
| 07:02.14 | eXa_bOy | not if they have dancers attached |
| 07:02.14 | Guerin | mkl1525: tar and ftp |
| 07:02.26 | bleck | eXa_bOy: heh |
| 07:02.31 | Guerin | mkl1525: or if you don't care about permissions, just ftp |
| 07:02.31 | Gnea | when you hit your head on it then it rebounds back to the ground as you loose your grip on the pole.. yeah.... |
| 07:02.34 | cheal | mkl1525: it's not possible |
| 07:02.38 | fireba11 | jm_ ;-) |
| 07:02.46 | Guerin | mkl1525: you can install rsync on the windows machine, if you want |
| 07:02.53 | encompass | is there a way for bitchx to auto log me in and identify my username? |
| 07:03.20 | encompass | hmm? |
| 07:03.27 | eXa_bOy | man i work on freebsd all day, and come home to debian... its soooooo confusing |
| 07:03.33 | liable | encompass: prolly, but irssi certainly can :) |
| 07:03.41 | eXa_bOy | taken me 3 minutes to find apache :P |
| 07:03.44 | bleck | encompass: yes, don't remember how tho , hehe, try .bitchx in ~ |
| 07:03.48 | fireba11 | eXa_bOy: then swithc to debian at work :-) |
| 07:03.58 | eXa_bOy | cant it doesnt have jails |
| 07:04.18 | fireba11 | eXa_bOy: true .. sad but true :-) |
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| 07:04.28 | Gnea | eXa_bOy: huh? |
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| 07:04.34 | jm_ | I've had this problem before, no idea why it's doing it but I hate it |
| 07:04.37 | bleck | eXa_bOy: what doesn't have jails? apache? |
| 07:04.52 | Gnea | eXa_bOy: the chroot command is standard with debian, whatchoo talkin' bout willis? |
| 07:04.54 | eXa_bOy | debian doesnt have jails... vserver |
| 07:05.03 | Gnea | uhm |
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| 07:05.09 | meff | uh |
| 07:05.10 | Gnea | virtual server? |
| 07:05.11 | bucky | jm_, bad sine wave in your electrical outlet |
| 07:05.32 | Danar_ | i followed the instructions in !apt secure, but i still get the message |
| 07:05.35 | sparr | I used the ATI driver installer and it seems to have worked. X is running with the fglrx driver. One small problem, no GLX extension. Can't run glxinfo or glxgears. Any tips? |
| 07:05.42 | jm_ | bucky: no I don't mean about the time going off, I mean why is ntpd not keeping time in sync |
| 07:05.46 | bleck | bucky: that would make a good random error message. |
| 07:05.54 | bucky | haha |
| 07:06.14 | Gnea | eXa_bOy: xen. |
| 07:06.16 | sep | jm_, is your ntpd syncing against servers? ntpq and type peers |
| 07:06.25 | Danar_ | W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 07:06.32 | bleck | is there a utility to try and find a modeline for your monitor? |
| 07:06.33 | eXa_bOy | man why does my apache httpd.conf have nothign in it. i just installed apache FFS!!! |
| 07:06.45 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: apache2? |
| 07:06.45 | meff | ... |
| 07:06.46 | eXa_bOy | xen : whats that? |
| 07:06.46 | Danar_ | bleck, yes |
| 07:06.47 | bucky | telnet time.nist.gov 13 |
| 07:06.50 | eXa_bOy | yeah Guerin |
| 07:06.52 | bleck | my tft screen does 1920x1440 or something, though I can't make it run at that. |
| 07:06.57 | meff | eXa_bOy: its laid out quite a bit diff in debian, but nicer! |
| 07:06.57 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: RTFM n00b |
| 07:06.58 | jm_ | sep: yup - I remember doing this once before when I complained about ntpd and you helped me ;) |
| 07:07.03 | sep | jm_, the st value for your ntpd servers should ve less then 13, |
| 07:07.06 | bleck | Danar_: my next question is... what is the name of it? |
| 07:07.13 | Guerin | !tell eXa_bOy about helpfile apache2 |
| 07:07.18 | neil__ | bleck: I use knoppix, just boot and copy its. |
| 07:07.19 | Danar_ | bleck, apt-cache search turns up videogen |
| 07:07.22 | jm_ | sep: it's stratum 1 server |
| 07:07.23 | eXa_bOy | thanks |
| 07:07.25 | SimonRaven | bucky: ntp is on 123, not 13. time proto is on 13 |
| 07:07.43 | bleck | Danar_: well laadeedaa.. *cough* ok then ;) |
| 07:07.55 | bucky | i don't use ntp |
| 07:07.56 | SimonRaven | Danar_: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 07:08.06 | eXa_bOy | your kidding me that it doesnt have a default httpd.conf file and you have to cpoy a template... jesus |
| 07:08.08 | sep | jm_, not running 2.6 on vmware i hope ? |
| 07:08.11 | Danar_ | SimonRaven, i did that, and followed the instructions. it didn't work |
| 07:08.19 | SimonRaven | @doesn't work |
| 07:08.21 | ravenbird | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 07:08.28 | jm_ | sep: nope, just plain 2.6 - I just don't understand why I have to run ntpdate every week to fix the clock |
| 07:08.31 | Danar_ | SimonRaven, i already said, i still get the message |
| 07:08.38 | bucky | eXa_bOy, try looking at apache2.conf |
| 07:08.48 | bucky | eXa_bOy, but don't edit it |
| 07:08.59 | eXa_bOy | hmmm |
| 07:09.12 | jm_ | sep: maybe I should remove local line in ntp.conf |
| 07:09.21 | kreg | man page for "ifconfig". should it have a tag for 'gw' ? |
| 07:09.26 | sep | jm_, well i guess you can paste peers output on paster. also is the clock slowing or speeding ? you might have to adjust the lost tick detection |
| 07:09.44 | eXa_bOy | can i copy that over into the httpd.conf? or is apache2.conf the NEW way? |
| 07:09.53 | sep | jm_, the local line will only be used if you cant reach any servers it's a fallback thing |
| 07:10.02 | Danar_ | SimonRaven, so can you help? |
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| 07:10.17 | jm_ | sep: muning graph shows negative offset - yeah, I read about the local thing in the comment, but maybe that's what's happening here |
| 07:10.33 | bucky | eXa_bOy, it doesn't need to be copied |
| 07:10.47 | SimonRaven | Danar_: /msg dpkg marillat key /msg dpkg apt secure - follow the links. this isn't hard. i just did it myself |
| 07:10.52 | eXa_bOy | ok so thats the right file i need to _play_ with :) |
| 07:10.54 | gloin | say, I just installed lvm-common and all associated on an x86 running sid, and vgscan complains that vgscan -- LVM driver/module not loaded? |
| 07:11.04 | jm_ | sep: it looks like it sync-ed it now, because it went from 130 to -29 |
| 07:11.05 | meff | eXa_bOy: no. read about the file layout already. |
| 07:11.07 | gloin | but I don't see an lvm module anywhere |
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| 07:11.15 | bucky | eXa_bOy, you should not change apache2.conf |
| 07:11.17 | gloin | tell me I don't need to compile a kernel here? |
| 07:11.32 | SimonRaven | gloin: i assume you have lvm support in that running kernel... |
| 07:11.34 | eXa_bOy | wow its changed heaps |
| 07:11.49 | gloin | SimonRaven: it's the default kernel that ships with sid... |
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| 07:11.59 | SimonRaven | eXa_bOy: apache2 in debian uses apache2.conf, with httpd.conf that has local mods |
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| 07:12.01 | gloin | is there a way to check? |
| 07:12.13 | SimonRaven | the config in /boot |
| 07:12.48 | kreg | can ifconfig specify gw? |
| 07:13.00 | gloin | ARGH |
| 07:13.25 | SimonRaven | kreg: man ifconfig |
| 07:13.31 | xtof | hi, is there a debian comptability list somewhere (I'm looking for an usb webcam that I can plug'n'play with ;-) |
| 07:13.35 | kreg | SimonRaven, found no gateway tag |
| 07:13.45 | SimonRaven | man ifconfig |
| 07:14.00 | jm_ | odd that I don't have /etc/ntp.drift file |
| 07:14.06 | tcsetattr | ifconfig doesn't do gateway routing. See route(8) for that. |
| 07:14.08 | cheal | xtof: no |
| 07:14.08 | eXa_bOy | wtf are all the examples .gz surely they arnt that f'ing big |
| 07:14.11 | kreg | pattern not found? heh heh |
| 07:14.38 | kreg | SimonRaven, jeez, i've been here a while. aren't i past the rtfm bit yet? |
| 07:14.51 | SimonRaven | it sets the gateway, it won't configure routes |
| 07:14.57 | Danar_ | SimonRaven, again, i followed the directions, but it still complains |
| 07:14.58 | gloin | ahh |
| 07:15.01 | gloin | tricksy |
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| 07:15.07 | gloin | I had to install lvm2 as well as lvm10 |
| 07:15.07 | sep | jm_, how much is it off when you have to run ntpdate to reset ? |
| 07:15.18 | kreg | tcsetattr, ah yes now i remember |
| 07:15.25 | gloin | which is still a heck of a lot happier for me than trying to compile a kernel on a Via C3 |
| 07:15.27 | tcsetattr | ifconfig does not do gateways! it causes the creation of a local network route based on the netmask, and that's all. |
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| 07:15.32 | xtof | cheal, thanks! I'll dig into the mountains of docs about the subject... Hope to see you all soon!! |
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| 07:15.44 | ma3x | is there virtualdub for debian? |
| 07:15.52 | cheal | xtof: good luck :) |
| 07:15.56 | Danar_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:16.14 | SimonRaven | jm_: what i do is set the date manually; then run ntpdate; then write the system clock to the hardware clock; then start ntpd. this i do if the date is way off, otherwise i just let ntpd take care of things |
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| 07:16.34 | ma3x | is there a good dvd decryptor for unstable? |
| 07:16.39 | SimonRaven | Danar_: again, folling those docs, i managed to do it in 10 minutes |
| 07:16.41 | kreg | syntax must be wrong. thought it was something like "route --add gw 192.168.1.1" |
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| 07:16.44 | SimonRaven | follow* |
| 07:16.44 | jm_ | sep: it was 7s this morning, but it started at 1.5s on thursday when my munin started working - I booted with 2.6 kernel on wednesday |
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| 07:16.56 | Danar_ | SimonRaven, it took 10 minutes?? |
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| 07:17.17 | bleck | ok bye |
| 07:17.18 | jm_ | sep,SimonRaven: yeah, I do something similar too, maybe the offset was just too big when ntpd started |
| 07:17.22 | SimonRaven | yeh, the browsing took a while, computer was under load |
| 07:17.28 | Danar_ | oh |
| 07:17.39 | jm_ | will check if it creates ntp.drift file now |
| 07:17.42 | SimonRaven | jm_: yeh, it'll take *a long time* to sync if it's too far off |
| 07:17.43 | Danar_ | SimonRaven, well, i went through it twice. didn't help |
| 07:17.46 | tcsetattr | --add? this is a basic network tool, it comes from BSD not GNU :) |
| 07:17.59 | Danar_ | SimonRaven, are you sure it works with that url? |
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| 07:18.11 | SimonRaven | there's several URIs there... |
| 07:18.39 | Danar_ | there's only one it's complaining about |
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| 07:18.45 | abc | lp[ |
| 07:18.48 | abc | olkoph8908 |
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| 07:18.54 | Gnea | KILL |
| 07:18.56 | Gnea | er |
| 07:18.57 | Gnea | nm |
| 07:19.01 | Gnea | :) |
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| 07:19.21 | SimonRaven | Danar_: so you apt-key add the exported armoured gpg key from that repo |
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| 07:19.58 | Danar_ | i ran 'apt-key add /usr/share/apt/debian-archive.gpg' as it said |
| 07:20.38 | SimonRaven | and, what was the output? did you also set up root's trustdb too? |
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| 07:21.55 | Danar_ | the output is too far back for me to see now, but it was apparently successful |
| 07:22.09 | Danar_ | how do i do the latter? |
| 07:22.32 | SimonRaven | debianadministration.org link has how |
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| 07:22.52 | Danar_ | gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv 4F368D5D |
| 07:22.53 | Danar_ | right? |
| 07:23.00 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 07:23.04 | Danar_ | yeh, did that |
| 07:23.09 | SimonRaven | ok |
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| 07:23.25 | eXa_bOy | how do i restart apache2? man im lost |
| 07:23.27 | SimonRaven | apt-key just spits out an 'OK' |
| 07:24.09 | SimonRaven | !info cpipe |
| 07:24.12 | dpkg | cpipe: (counting pipe), section utils, is optional. Version: 3.0.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 07:24.43 | Danar_ | SimonRaven, i think i found the problem: apt-key update |
| 07:24.43 | Danar_ | ERROR: Can't find the archive-keyring |
| 07:24.43 | Danar_ | Is the debian-keyring package installed? |
| 07:25.10 | SimonRaven | ignore that, i got the same |
| 07:25.23 | SimonRaven | ..on a box that has it |
| 07:25.26 | Danar_ | already installing :/ |
| 07:25.49 | SimonRaven | that's a big package |
| 07:26.00 | Danar_ | only 11.5 |
| 07:26.08 | encompass | How do I log back into a currently open ssh login? |
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| 07:26.45 | dbi | encompass: you can't, but you can use screen to acomplish a similar thing |
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| 07:27.00 | Danar_ | SimonRaven, you're right, it still says it |
| 07:27.01 | encompass | I started mocp for my music and have to get backto it... |
| 07:27.24 | encompass | how do you do that? |
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| 07:27.57 | encompass | or, I could jsut kill the processes that are running right? |
| 07:28.03 | SimonRaven | start the ssh session in a screen session |
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| 07:28.46 | encompass | thanks guys... |
| 07:29.00 | Danar_ | SimonRaven, i just ran through the steps 3 more times and it still complains |
| 07:29.29 | SimonRaven | apt-key add file.gpg ... |
| 07:29.39 | SimonRaven | what version do you have there? |
| 07:29.44 | Danar_ | apt-key add /usr/share/apt/debian-archive.gpg |
| 07:29.51 | Danar_ | of? |
| 07:29.53 | jm_ | sep: do you know what condition "reject" means in as output? |
| 07:30.01 | gloin | so I've got a question about using LVM. I've got a partition at hda1 that has data I want to keep, but want to incorporate that partition into a logical volume along with hdb |
| 07:30.12 | SimonRaven | apt |
| 07:30.16 | itp560 | I have an debian image which is working fine on a SATA machine. I want to install the same image in a IDE machine and I get this error pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 07:30.16 | itp560 | /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 07:30.16 | itp560 | Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 07:30.27 | gloin | how can get hda1 and hdb to become a single LV without trashing the data that I want to keep that's on hda1? |
| 07:30.46 | mina_linux_Tux | hi can anyone help me to know how to confirgure exim4 with gmail as the smart host , i'm on a dialup internet connection and with dynamic ip address and i used google to do so but i didn't get any answers and sorry if it's not the right place for my question |
| 07:30.46 | gloin | (hint: I don't have room to back this data up elsewhere |
| 07:30.47 | gloin | ) |
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| 07:31.48 | itp560 | has anyone got this error before. |
| 07:31.51 | Danar_ | 0.6.41 |
| 07:31.54 | encompass | mina_linux_Tux I would go to google for that one... I did and it worked for me.. there a quite a few steps if you want it done right |
| 07:32.05 | jm_ | itp560: lots of people, yes |
| 07:32.06 | Gnea | mina_linux_Tux: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 07:32.12 | SimonRaven | mina_linux_Tux: exim4 already has a smarthost router. just edit it to use it for gmail. why are you using gmail's instead of your ISP's anyway? |
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| 07:32.28 | Phated | Gmail needs to use theirs or something. |
| 07:32.34 | Danar | SimonRaven, 0.6.41 |
| 07:32.47 | ChrisW | hiya, how can I find out how much network io is currently going on on a debian server? |
| 07:33.00 | encompass | Phated she is probably like me... and doesn't have one... someone else gets that email cause they are paying ofr the isp |
| 07:33.11 | jm_ | you mean network traffic? jnettop or iptraf |
| 07:33.12 | Gnea | ChrisW: install iptraq |
| 07:33.19 | Gnea | er, iptraf |
| 07:33.27 | glitch- | ChrisW:iptraf |
| 07:33.29 | mina_linux_Tux | SimonRaven: cause gmail it my inbox that i use for a long time and what do you mean by smarthost router |
| 07:33.47 | SimonRaven | mina_linux_Tux: do what Gnea said |
| 07:34.03 | mina_linux_Tux | encompass: can you provide me with the url for these steps |
| 07:34.11 | ChrisW | thanks |
| 07:34.22 | encompass | "I reject your reality and except my own as an alternative!" --Myth Busters |
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| 07:34.35 | SimonRaven | Danar: same as mine |
| 07:34.42 | glitch- | np ChrisW |
| 07:34.53 | mina_linux_Tux | SimonRaven: ok i done and i'm in the step of selecting my mail name |
| 07:35.34 | Danar | SimonRaven, is there no gpg key for testing/security ? |
| 07:35.43 | row | What does "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: tramsit timed out" "eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1" suggest as a problem to you? |
| 07:35.45 | itp560 | how can I findout what are the modules which are loading from a initrd.img ? |
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| 07:35.55 | SimonRaven | Danar: there is IIRC. dunno the URI to fetch it from however |
| 07:35.59 | jm_ | itp560: mount it |
| 07:36.04 | SimonRaven | !testing security |
| 07:36.04 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
| 07:36.15 | SimonRaven | see that first |
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| 07:36.23 | jm_ | row: cable problems, or maybe someone re-plugged it |
| 07:36.24 | itp560 | jm_ then ? |
| 07:36.30 | Danar | SimonRaven, i did. that message is how i found out about it :p |
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| 07:36.38 | jm_ | or maybe the other end is the problem |
| 07:36.41 | jm_ | itp560: ls, cat, ... |
| 07:37.01 | Danar | SimonRaven, but it complains about no gpg key available. i've gone through all the suggested steps... what now? |
| 07:37.20 | mina_linux_Tux | SimonRaven: is there a problem that exim tries to connect to SMTP port (25) instead of the SMTP-over-TLS port advertised by google as 465 or 587 |
| 07:37.37 | SimonRaven | ffs, the gpg key link is right above 'Data sources' |
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| 07:38.00 | row | fUCK! |
| 07:38.02 | row | it works! |
| 07:38.04 | row | my god |
| 07:38.05 | row | all that |
| 07:38.07 | row | was a cable |
| 07:38.14 | SimonRaven | mina_linux_Tux: it sends fine. 465 is deprecated, but some older MTAs use it still |
| 07:38.23 | Danar | SimonRaven, 'Data sources'? |
| 07:38.34 | SimonRaven | mina_linux_Tux: START_TLS is the preferred way now |
| 07:38.43 | SimonRaven | Danar: on the testing security page |
| 07:38.47 | sep | jm_, reject means is't not considered iirc. eg you have a higer stratum peer that's beeing used instead |
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| 07:39.18 | mina_linux_Tux | SimonRaven: so now what i have to type as the mail name , what is the mail name for gmail ? |
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| 07:39.29 | eXa_bOy | i share your pain row |
| 07:39.42 | tcsetattr | this can only end with Simon standing over Danar's corpse, wiping his fingerprints off of things |
| 07:39.44 | Danar | SimonRaven, ah, i see it |
| 07:39.45 | jm_ | sep: hum, I only have two - local, which is stratum 13, and the real NTP server which is stratum 1, and it shows * next to local one |
| 07:39.53 | glitch- | how to gain acces to snmp remotly ? would like to setup 1 server to get information on some different snmp over internet |
| 07:40.06 | Danar | but then why would it complain? |
| 07:40.08 | jm_ | glitch-: edit snmpd.conf |
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| 07:40.32 | drp | is alsa specific to debian? |
| 07:40.50 | row | nope |
| 07:40.53 | row | it was not a cable |
| 07:41.00 | row | debian was just not been nasty about it |
| 07:41.05 | row | :( |
| 07:41.13 | glitch- | jm_:how to do so ? |
| 07:41.16 | sep | jm_, so it's using your local one |
| 07:41.18 | mina_linux_Tux | SimonRaven: ...? |
| 07:41.18 | jm_ | glitch-: with an editor? |
| 07:41.37 | jm_ | sep: right, that's what I suspected, now I have to figure out why |
| 07:41.38 | tcsetattr | of course not. ALSA is in Linus's kernel |
| 07:41.51 | glitch- | should be with 'com2sec' line but can't acces it from another server.it get no response |
| 07:42.12 | Danar | can anyone help with this error? "W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E" |
| 07:42.21 | Danar | i get it whenever i run apt-get update |
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| 07:42.23 | row | if the network driver module is load and the pci is loaded why can't I see network card :/ |
| 07:42.35 | jm_ | glitch-: there are two things to it, tcp wrappers and snmpd.conf, make sure both are valid |
| 07:42.37 | sep | jm_, put output of pe and as on paster ? yourt not using a ntpd that's far away from you are you ? |
| 07:42.53 | jm_ | sep: just a sec |
| 07:43.04 | glitch- | jm_:what to add to snmp, to let acess the deamon internet accesible |
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| 07:43.35 | glitch- | jm_:tcp wrappers ? |
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| 07:43.48 | jm_ | glitch-: hosts.allow/deny |
| 07:44.39 | jm_ | glitch-: did you try commenting first com2sec line and uncommenting the next one? otherwise it will only export a limited set of MIB-s |
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| 07:45.19 | itp560 | jm_, what is the fs type to mount the initrd file |
| 07:45.41 | jm_ | itp560: try letting the kernel guess it, otherwise file may be of assistance (probably cramfs) |
| 07:46.14 | eXa_bOy | is there a way to make the text on the screen smaller? |
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| 07:46.59 | jm_ | sep: the server is on our LAN |
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| 07:48.29 | glitch- | jm_:com2sec local localhost public |
| 07:48.37 | sep | jm_, one of theses servers are windows ? |
| 07:48.38 | glitch- | group MyROGroup v1 local |
| 07:48.42 | glitch- | group MyROGroup v2c local |
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| 07:48.49 | glitch- | group MyROGroup usm local |
| 07:48.52 | glitch- | view all included .1 |
| 07:48.54 | zOrK | i'm working on an a Pentium 4, 3ghz. what architecture are recommended? 386? |
| 07:48.56 | glitch- | access MyROGroup "" any noauth exact all none none |
| 07:49.00 | glitch- | thats my conf file |
| 07:49.00 | mina_linux_Tux | how to check if exim4 send outgoing emails ? |
| 07:49.11 | zOrK | debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso <- this one ? |
| 07:49.13 | jm_ | glitch-: don't paste it here |
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| 07:50.06 | MuMiA | hi, can anyone tell me if it's possible to install a debian sarge on a IDE raid Fasttrack 378? |
| 07:50.17 | jm_ | sep: Linux apparently |
| 07:50.17 | glitch- | ok |
| 07:50.19 | glitch- | sorry |
| 07:50.41 | sep | jm_, so you have a radio or atomic clock on your lan ? :) |
| 07:50.44 | jim | MuMiA: probably, subject to you reading the hardware compatibility list for the linux kernel' |
| 07:51.06 | Zugschlus | mina_linux_Tux: see your lgs |
| 07:51.08 | jm_ | sep: no, I think this server jsut syncs to external servers |
| 07:51.09 | Gnea | grrrrr, printing is broken |
| 07:51.09 | Zugschlus | logs |
| 07:51.22 | MuMiA | there is no driver for s |
| 07:51.27 | sep | jm_, i asked since windows occsionaly say they are stratum1 in illutions of grandeour, and then failes the sanity checks and gets rejected |
| 07:51.28 | MuMiA | there is no driver for this IDE raid? |
| 07:51.32 | row | is there a way I can find out what mother board model I am using with dmesg or something in debian? |
| 07:51.32 | mina_linux_Tux | Zugschlus: how ..? |
| 07:51.40 | sep | jm_, it can't be stratum 1 if it syncs from another server |
| 07:51.47 | jim | mina_linux_Tux:: send to someone and ask them if they received it |
| 07:51.48 | Gnea | MuMiA: what's a fasttrack 378? |
| 07:51.59 | liable | Zugschlus: 686 |
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| 07:52.04 | jim | MuMiA: probably, subject to you reading the hardware compatibility list for the linux kernel' |
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| 07:52.40 | jim | MuMiA: or google for it |
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| 07:52.58 | MuMiA | jim, i have googled already:) |
| 07:53.06 | mina_linux_Tux | jim: is gmail.com is the mail name and smart host is smtp.gmail.com |
| 07:53.09 | MuMiA | i tryied many drivers, but I found nothing :( |
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| 07:53.38 | jm_ | sep: well to be honest, I don't know the details, perhaps it does have some sort of hardware to sync to someone else - all I know is that we can't use external NTP servers, so I am stuck with it |
| 07:54.01 | MuMiA | the problem is that I have them installed on windows, actually this is the windows driver name fasttrack 378 |
| 07:54.10 | jim | MuMiA: ok, howbout the manufacturer web site? any indication of a linux driver there? (have you bought this hardware already? if so, how long ago?) |
| 07:54.20 | sep | jm_, i am wrong. if your server sync against an atomic clock (stratum0) then you are stratum 1 actualy |
| 07:54.29 | MuMiA | yes, there are some, but not for debian |
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| 07:54.56 | jim | MuMiA: you didn't say that :P |
| 07:55.04 | jim | !sicco |
| 07:55.04 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 07:55.07 | sep | jm_, but usualy you aren't allowed to sync directly to a statum0 you sync against stratum1's so anything on a lan is usualy stratum 2 |
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| 07:55.15 | jim | stress COMPLETE |
| 07:55.17 | MuMiA | my motherboard have this option, to set a raid/scsi from 2 HDD's |
| 07:55.23 | jim | ok, having said that... |
| 07:55.29 | MuMiA | 2 IDE hdd |
| 07:55.56 | jim | can you put a single ide hd in there to install enough of debian so you can build a kernel? |
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| 07:56.04 | HappyChappy | I have debian on THIS pc and Gentoo on my laptop, they are connected via 10mbit hub, I cannot ping them? |
| 07:56.19 | jim | not raid, not sata (if you can help that), just plain ide |
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| 07:56.25 | jim | wait, did you say scsi? |
| 07:56.32 | Zugschlus | mina_linux_Tux: are you asking where the logs are, or how to read logs? |
| 07:56.32 | MuMiA | I have many information on this and I cannot make this :( |
| 07:56.38 | liable | HappyChappy: then you havent configured your interfaces right.. |
| 07:56.54 | MuMiA | this is a SCSI emulation.. so I read it |
| 07:56.57 | HappyChappy | I have |
| 07:57.13 | HappyChappy | join #flood |
| 07:57.14 | jim | but hold on... |
| 07:57.16 | HappyChappy | I'll show you |
| 07:57.18 | liable | HappyChappy: by ip or hostname? |
| 07:57.34 | jim | do you have a plain parallel ata or ide hd? |
| 07:57.41 | mina_linux_Tux | Zugschlus: where are the logs are |
| 07:57.42 | MuMiA | ide |
| 07:57.48 | jim | that's not doing anything, and has no important data |
| 07:58.07 | cathper | uhm, http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en says that there should be a kernel-source-2.6.* package, but I can't find it. I tried the search facility in aptitude and apt-cache search kernel-source. Where should I find the package? |
| 07:58.11 | jim | you could wipe it and the world would continue turning... |
| 07:58.23 | jim | yes? :) |
| 07:58.26 | Zugschlus | mina_linux_Tux: /var/log7exim4 |
| 07:58.32 | Zugschlus | mina_linux_Tux: /var/log/exim4 |
| 07:58.33 | spoonman- | !vanilla |
| 07:58.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, vanilla is plain | original | canonical | unmodified | ordinary | standard | default |
| 07:58.36 | jm_ | sep: but it looks like it's staying in sync now |
| 07:59.38 | jim | I have to go to the store... if you want to try this, please respond quickly and don't waste time |
| 07:59.46 | MuMiA | actually I wanted to know if there is an option, when I am installing debian fro a net install CD, to load the driver for raid |
| 07:59.48 | Gnea | hrm |
| 07:59.49 | Gnea | grave bugs of libc6 (2.3.5-6 -> 2.3.5-7) <open> |
| 07:59.49 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.51 | Gnea | hrmmm |
| 08:00.20 | sep | jm_, ntp will adjust your time even when using local as reference it tried to correct the drift of your hardware clock. so ntp might adjust your time even without servers. is your ntp server not rejected anymore ? |
| 08:00.30 | jim | MuMiA: do you know the name of the driver under linux/ |
| 08:00.31 | jim | ? |
| 08:00.32 | liable | Gnea: works here.. |
| 08:00.34 | mina_linux_Tux | Zugschlus: one more question, is the mail name i have to use for gmail in the exim configuration is gmail.com and the smarthost is smtp.gmail.com without carring for the SMTP-over_TLS port advertised by google nor the STARTTLS ? |
| 08:00.51 | MuMiA | fasttrack 2000 I think |
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| 08:00.59 | jm_ | sep: still shows condition reject |
| 08:01.08 | jim | ok, let's try a google search |
| 08:01.19 | jim | !google for "fasttrack 2000" |
| 08:01.20 | sep | jm_, try to comment out local to ease throubleshooting |
| 08:01.23 | Zugschlus | mina_linux_Tux: no clue |
| 08:01.27 | dpkg | Google says fasttrack 2000 is at http://www.rsis.com/rsis-corporate/RSIS/RSIS-Pressroom/RSIS-Press-Releases/RSIS-Receives-FastTrack-2000-Award.cfm or http://www.cigital.com/news/index.php?pg=art&artid=43 or http://www.cigital.com/news/index.php?pg=art&artid=50 or http://estrategy.co.za/news.asp?pklNewsID=4057&pklIssueID=189&pklCategoryID=145 or http://estrategy.co.za/news.asp?pklNewsID=4057&pklIssueID=453&pklCategoryID=145 |
| 08:01.40 | jim | welll wht do you know :) |
| 08:02.02 | Gnea | !google for "fasttrack 378" |
| 08:02.11 | dpkg | Google says fasttrack 378 is at http://www.short-media.com/download.php?d=210 or http://www.short-media.com/download.php?dc=62&p=2 or https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-May/msg07711.html or https://www.redhat.com/archives/amd64-list/2004-May/msg00040.html or https://www.redhat.com/archives/amd64-list/2004-May/msg00039.html |
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| 08:03.24 | cathper | :-D |
| 08:03.24 | MuMiA | well, thanx, that's the driver for winxp64 |
| 08:03.45 | jim | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-May/msg07711.html <-- that? |
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| 08:04.02 | jim | I don't think so :) |
| 08:04.05 | MuMiA | :) |
| 08:04.08 | mina_linux_Tux | does anyone knows, is the mail name i have to use for gmail in the exim configuration is gmail.com and the smarthost is smtp.gmail.com without carring for the SMTP-over_TLS port advertised by google nor the STARTTLS ? |
| 08:04.18 | jim | >VIA8237SATA: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:0f.0 |
| 08:04.35 | jm_ | sep: no difference, the same status as before |
| 08:04.41 | Gnea | !google for "fasttrack 378 linux" |
| 08:04.43 | jim | that might not be it... you don't have a via chipset on your mobo do you? |
| 08:04.47 | dpkg | Google says fasttrack 378 linux is at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/362780 or http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/364224 or http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/40/2005/09/2/362780 or http://www.linux-community.de/Neues/story?storyid=14681 or http://www.linuxcompatible.org/cdetail11100.html |
| 08:04.53 | MuMiA | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-May/msg07711.html -> this is the same problem that I have |
| 08:05.10 | jim | Gnea: you know how old this device is? |
| 08:05.27 | sep | jm_, looks like it's discarded due to sanity checks . |
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| 08:06.02 | Gnea | MuMiA: looks like that first link has a detailed description of how someone got it to work |
| 08:06.09 | Gnea | jim: nfc |
| 08:06.26 | jim | MuMiA, Promise FastTrack 378 <-- this is your device? |
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| 08:07.26 | MuMiA | jim, yes |
| 08:07.34 | Gnea | oic, promise raid controller |
| 08:07.37 | Gnea | heh |
| 08:07.40 | mina_linux_Tux | Zugschlus: i got the logs hw to read them ? |
| 08:07.46 | Gnea | yeah, that should be in the 2.6 support |
| 08:08.08 | jm_ | sep: what status do you see in "status" field (as command)? |
| 08:08.49 | MuMiA | I thought so also.. but when I tried to install I can't "see" my hdds, and the installer told me to put a hdd inside :) |
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| 08:09.23 | Gnea | MuMiA: maybe you need to read dmesg or the raid howto at www.tldp.org? |
| 08:09.32 | sep | sys.peer on my ntp server. reject on my local (due to higher stratum then the peer) |
| 08:10.14 | jim | MuMiA: ok, so if you cannot install onto your raid using the installer, then you will have to work around. |
| 08:11.09 | jim | we could spend hours trying to fit round hole in square peg... or we can get linux installed on a plain non-raid drive and then go from there |
| 08:11.13 | MuMiA | ok, thanks guys |
| 08:11.30 | jim | Do you want to try to work around? |
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| 08:11.49 | sep | jm_, the * in peer means it's selected if it's " " (space) it's high stratum or sanity checks. you also have other codes as (+ - . #) |
| 08:12.03 | liable | try setting it to leagacy pata.. |
| 08:12.05 | jm_ | sep: I was seeing sys.peer too until I had localhosts in ntpd.conf |
| 08:12.21 | MuMiA | work around? :) |
| 08:12.23 | jm_ | sep: I get space |
| 08:12.24 | jim | here's your choices: keep trying to use the installer (I won't want to be involved, I see hours leading to many dead ends) |
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| 08:13.10 | jim | work around (meaning put a plain ide drive on the plain parallel ide (NOT the raid) controller and try installing onto that) |
| 08:13.13 | MuMiA | what is the alternative? |
| 08:13.42 | jim | or alternative 3... use a different dist |
| 08:13.45 | MuMiA | I cannot make this, because I have in windows many important informations |
| 08:13.57 | MuMiA | a.. also, I should buy a new one :) |
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| 08:14.10 | Gnea | this is what backups are for :) |
| 08:14.16 | jim | ok, yeah, you could pick up a really small really cheap drive |
| 08:14.16 | jm_ | sep: heh lovely, Debian's ntpd has no debugging support |
| 08:14.16 | MuMiA | lol |
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| 08:14.22 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 08:14.26 | liable | backups? :P |
| 08:14.27 | MuMiA | 120 gigs..ia a little bit more:) |
| 08:14.34 | Gnea | liable: oooooh yes. |
| 08:14.58 | MuMiA | I will try again.. thanks one more time |
| 08:15.00 | MuMiA | see you |
| 08:15.03 | jim | you don't need that much space... the reason for putting linux on the plain ide drive, |
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| 08:15.11 | Blackhold | hi |
| 08:15.46 | Gnea | jim: exactly - that's why the main hd is on a regular ide channel, while the other drives are connected to the raid controller |
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| 08:15.56 | glitch- | guru on postfix,anybody here? |
| 08:16.12 | Gnea | !anybody |
| 08:16.12 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 08:16.14 | jim | is that the normal situation on most raided computers? |
| 08:16.30 | Gnea | it is on some |
| 08:16.30 | jim | glitch-: there might be a #postfix |
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| 08:16.47 | drakh | hmm what the hell, why did my ntop counters reset |
| 08:16.56 | drakh | does ntop by default reset counters every 3 hours or something |
| 08:16.58 | Blackhold | I have to make a backup, the backup will be allocated in a ftp, how I can create a script that puts in x hour a files from a directory? the main problem is the logging in the ftp, is possible to make it through a unique line? |
| 08:17.01 | jim | !popcon |
| 08:17.01 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 08:17.34 | liable | !popcorn |
| 08:17.43 | kl[idle] | !POPCORN |
| 08:17.46 | liable | :( |
| 08:17.58 | |sparr| | does "/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/nvidia/nvidia.ko" indicate that i am using the debian nvidia driver package or the nvidia installer? |
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| 08:18.48 | jm_ | |sparr|: neither really, dpkg -S nvidia.ko |
| 08:18.53 | jim | |sparr|: no. that indicates a path to a file |
| 08:18.56 | liable | |sparr|: can you remove the |, its quite annoying to nicktab. |
| 08:18.59 | row | what do I put in /etc/modules to make sure a module never loads? |
| 08:19.00 | Gnea | Blackhold: rsync > ftp |
| 08:19.17 | jim | !blacklist |
| 08:19.17 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 08:19.32 | Blackhold | Gnea: I'm going to see the manual, thnks |
| 08:19.34 | sep | jm_, well i'd check the server you peer on since it say st1 (witch i think is odd) your ntp client probably thinks the same |
| 08:19.48 | jim | row: other than that you could rm the module file :P |
| 08:19.58 | mina_linux_Tux | trying to use gmail as the smart host in Exim4 , smtp.gmail.com got the following error in the log , gmail-smtp.l.google.com Authentication Required and the address i'm sending the message to , got unrouteable address, anyone can help |
| 08:20.29 | Gnea | mina_linux_Tux: can you telnet to port 25 of that host and connect? |
| 08:20.30 | sparr | liable: yeah, sorry. blame ##linux, cant change nicks while im in there |
| 08:20.31 | jim | mina_linux_Tux: so you can't authenticate to the smarthost... contact your provider |
| 08:20.33 | jm_ | sep: I will try to build the version with debugging and see what it says first |
| 08:20.46 | liable | sparr: heh, np. :) |
| 08:21.24 | mina_linux_Tux | jim: which provider , i'm trying to use gmail as the smart host |
| 08:21.30 | jim | gmail |
| 08:21.47 | Gnea | mina_linux_Tux: do you have the ability to read what other people say? |
| 08:21.55 | eXa_bOy | WHY dont they have proper httpd.conf examples in the doc dir? they are complete FFS!!! |
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| 08:22.11 | mina_linux_Tux | Gnea: how to telnet to 25 port , |
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| 08:22.21 | Gnea | mina_linux_Tux: use the telnet command |
| 08:22.24 | jim | if GMAIL's mail server says that when you use smtp.GMAIL.com as the smart host you must authenticate, you have to contact GMAIL to see how they want you to authenticate |
| 08:22.33 | sep | mina_linux_Tux, telnet host port |
| 08:22.38 | fatal__ | mina_linux_Tux: if google allowed anyone to relay mail through them they would be a large spam-nest... you need to authenticate yourself with your gmail account before being able to relay mail through them. |
| 08:22.45 | jim | (see the capitalized text for a small hint as to who to contact :) |
| 08:22.52 | fatal__ | mina_linux_Tux: go look up how client smtp authentication works in exim. |
| 08:23.06 | Gnea | probably needs to tell exim4 the username/password |
| 08:23.51 | shingouz | and i think gmail wanted it as SSL or some other nifty thing |
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| 08:26.29 | Danar | can anyone help with this error? "W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E" |
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| 08:27.01 | jim | Danar: get that public key |
| 08:27.05 | Danar | i get it whenever i run apt-get update. it's the only one that does it |
| 08:27.09 | jim | what else could it be? |
| 08:27.24 | Danar | i've done the instructions in /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 08:27.36 | jim | !apt secure |
| 08:27.36 | dpkg | apt secure is probably in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
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| 08:27.57 | Gnea | Danar: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ziyi-2005-7.asc |
| 08:28.03 | jm_ | sep: hmm debugging didn't help much, I suppose I should compare this to a working example (it does send some stuff back, but there are no explicite messages saying why it has status " ") |
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| 08:28.38 | Gnea | !testing-key |
| 08:28.38 | dpkg | well, testing-key is at http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ziyi-2005-7.asc |
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| 08:29.31 | remy | who knows, how i install a file with dpkg and than use the command force? i try dpkg -i -f <filename> but that don't work |
| 08:29.39 | jm_ | sep: thanks for your help |
| 08:29.39 | Danar | didn't realize i had to download it manually |
| 08:29.54 | Gnea | well now you know |
| 08:29.56 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:30.02 | Danar | yeh :/ |
| 08:30.06 | Danar | never had to for anything else |
| 08:30.11 | Gnea | it's new |
| 08:30.15 | remy | nobody knows that? |
| 08:30.21 | remy | sign....:/ |
| 08:30.31 | Danar | man dpkg |
| 08:30.39 | Gnea | Danar: also it's on the webpage |
| 08:30.45 | Danar | o.O |
| 08:30.45 | jim | remy: why doesn't it work? |
| 08:30.53 | Gnea | if you take out all the deb stuff, and go to the url, it explains the whole thing |
| 08:31.03 | remy | command -f is a field command? not force? |
| 08:31.07 | remy | but what is force? |
| 08:31.18 | Danar | Gnea, the link is there, but it doesn't say you have to download it yourself :p |
| 08:31.26 | jim | remy: start with dpkg --help |
| 08:31.31 | yacc | remy: dpkg -i file |
| 08:31.42 | Danar | Gnea, i would have thought it would be in the instructions linked to by dpkg |
| 08:32.03 | remy | yacc: it's a older file, than the file is running now, so i must force override it |
| 08:32.08 | remy | but i read the website indeed. |
| 08:32.09 | Gnea | Danar: again, this is all new, so it's basically made up as it goes along |
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| 08:32.16 | Danar | well thanks |
| 08:32.19 | Gnea | np |
| 08:32.39 | scanwinder | does anyone know howto get tmsnc to go thru a http proxy? |
| 08:32.44 | jim | older? that could be the problem |
| 08:32.58 | mina_linux_Tux | fatal__: GMAIL use STARTTLS on port 465 or 587 |
| 08:33.06 | jim | remy: why doesn't it work? |
| 08:33.08 | remy | no |
| 08:33.28 | remy | it's a newer dhcp client, and that's not work, on my server, the older file work well |
| 08:33.35 | remy | so i must kopie the older file back. |
| 08:34.00 | Gnea | mina_linux_Tux: will it work without tls? |
| 08:34.03 | jim | why that's not work? |
| 08:34.12 | remy | i don't know |
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| 08:34.31 | remy | i don't care :) the older file works well.. so i want to force kopie the older file. |
| 08:34.48 | jim | why do you have to force? |
| 08:35.02 | mina_linux_Tux | Gnea: said' SMTP server requires TLS |
| 08:35.11 | remy | becouse, it's a older file, if i don't use force, hey says that the file i want to kopie is older lol |
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| 08:35.44 | AlphaOmega` | can anyone help me im a newbie to linux and i am currently using windows but would like to switch over to linux instead, also i need help understanding upgrading my system |
| 08:36.03 | Gnea | mina_linux_Tux: where? |
| 08:36.11 | jim | AlphaOmega`: got a spare old beataround computer around? |
| 08:36.30 | AlphaOmega` | jim: i got one box lol |
| 08:36.46 | mina_linux_Tux | Gnea: http://tinyurl.com/c6ytg |
| 08:37.01 | jim | just a suggestion... get someone to give you their old box, install linux on that |
| 08:37.09 | AlphaOmega` | okies |
| 08:37.10 | jim | it's |
| 08:37.13 | jim | MUCH |
| 08:37.15 | jim | easier |
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| 08:37.30 | bartden | hi, i need a newsreader that supports .nbz extensions ? |
| 08:37.36 | bartden | any suggestions |
| 08:37.53 | jim | one step harder, is to put another hard drive in the one computer and install linux on that drive (and don't touch the windows one) |
| 08:38.11 | AlphaOmega` | Jim i have two drives in my puter |
| 08:38.21 | neil__ | AlphaOmega`: One thing you can try is a LiveCD that way you can boot off the CD without affecting whats on the HD. |
| 08:38.24 | jim | is one of them BLANK, NOTHING on it? |
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| 08:38.30 | AlphaOmega` | yes Jim |
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| 08:38.45 | jim | you could throw it up in the air and not care where and how it landed? |
| 08:38.50 | AlphaOmega` | yep |
| 08:38.58 | mina_linux_Tux | Gnea: |
| 08:39.04 | mina_linux_Tux | Gnea: ...? |
| 08:39.06 | herbi | hi guys |
| 08:39.08 | jim | ok, well, you could try installing linux on that |
| 08:39.14 | AlphaOmega` | ahhh ok |
| 08:39.18 | herbi | ive sshed into a few boxes im doing some coding on and have vim open |
| 08:39.24 | herbi | i would liketo switch to console for more clarity |
| 08:39.30 | herbi | but dont want to have to ssh into the boxes again |
| 08:39.32 | Gnea | mina_linux_Tux: sec |
| 08:39.46 | AlphaOmega` | but the ojnly problem i run into is the master slave problem i.e. my bios reads one drive as master and one as slave and i cant boot off the drive thats slave |
| 08:39.49 | herbi | is there any way i can send the xterms to tty1 and 2? |
| 08:40.15 | jim | but like I say, any data that's on the drive will be toast |
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| 08:40.52 | jim | you could put the drive on the second controller |
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| 08:40.59 | AlphaOmega` | oh ok |
| 08:41.05 | cathper | herbi: using screen is not an option? |
| 08:41.14 | AlphaOmega` | are there generally two controllers on a motherboard? |
| 08:41.18 | herbi | AlphaOmega`, boot with debian rescue cd...type root = /dev/slavedevice |
| 08:41.27 | herbi | and once booted, reload lilo to the mbr |
| 08:41.27 | AlphaOmega` | ok |
| 08:41.28 | jim | AlphaOmega`: lots of times there are |
| 08:41.37 | Blackhold | how I can log in into a ftp through one script? |
| 08:41.47 | herbi | cathper, well i could screen there and then ssh in but i don want have to ssh in again argh nevermind lol |
| 08:41.58 | Gnea | mina_linux_Tux: http://tinyurl.com/bgvr9 |
| 08:42.06 | Gnea | mina_linux_Tux: scroll down to the bottom, the answer is there |
| 08:42.15 | AlphaOmega` | herbi is it possible for me to run quake 4 linux port on debian or is debian for older hardware?? |
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| 08:42.24 | AlphaOmega` | <---complete newbie |
| 08:42.26 | jim | what's quake 4 |
| 08:42.32 | AlphaOmega` | a game |
| 08:42.39 | jim | just came out? |
| 08:42.45 | AlphaOmega` | coming out Oct 18th |
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| 08:42.56 | Blackhold | Gnea the thing that you said me don't work |
| 08:42.57 | jim | hmm, 6 days |
| 08:43.09 | Gnea | Blackhold: what was it again? i forgot |
| 08:43.17 | jim | I already bought a game this year |
| 08:43.17 | Blackhold | rsync > ftp |
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| 08:43.21 | cathper | "gaymer" ;-) |
| 08:43.23 | jim | black n white 2 |
| 08:43.28 | Blackhold | I'm using debian sarge |
| 08:43.29 | AlphaOmega` | cool jim |
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| 08:43.46 | AlphaOmega` | jim would it be possible to run linux ports on debian? |
| 08:43.56 | jim | yes, likely |
| 08:43.57 | AlphaOmega` | of a game? |
| 08:43.59 | AlphaOmega` | cool |
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| 08:45.05 | Gnea | Blackhold: oh yes, well it uses ssh as a transport agent, like this: rsync -zavue ssh --exclude /sys --exclude=/proc --exclude=/dev / someone@another.host:/remote/directory/to/store/files/to |
| 08:45.11 | jm_ | sep: heh tried it on Solaris and it says condition "insane" :) |
| 08:45.28 | Blackhold | Gnea I have to write a very simple script to put on the cron, that each determitate days put the information to a ftp |
| 08:45.34 | AlphaOmega` | also does anyone know the specs for doom 3 my box is an xp 1700+ 512 meg of ram, Geforce 4 ti4400, 40 and 20 gig HD's, and my max upgrade capabilities are 4x agp, 2 gig or 1 gig pc2100, athlon xp 2000+ |
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| 08:45.51 | jim | AlphaOmega`: it'll probably run better/smoother under linux than any windows |
| 08:45.52 | AlphaOmega` | is this capable of running doom 3 for linux? |
| 08:46.03 | AlphaOmega` | yes i agree jim |
| 08:46.09 | AlphaOmega` | I hate windows |
| 08:46.11 | jim | I'm not sure, but it could happen |
| 08:46.16 | Gnea | Blackhold: that's stupid. if you use that rsync line that i just gave you, it will only do a complete backup once - then everytime your cron tells it to, it will only upload any changes, thus saving bandwidth and time |
| 08:46.24 | AlphaOmega` | ahh jim |
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| 08:46.32 | Gnea | Blackhold: no, i don't |
| 08:46.34 | jim | AlphaOmega`: it' |
| 08:46.39 | Blackhold | ok :_ |
| 08:46.47 | AlphaOmega` | hmm |
| 08:46.52 | jim | AlphaOmega`: it'll probably run... if you need the specs go to idsoft's site |
| 08:46.56 | AlphaOmega` | ok |
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| 08:46.57 | AlphaOmega` | brb |
| 08:46.59 | dvsdude | hey all looking for help with squid on debian any good irc channel for squid |
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| 08:47.27 | Blackhold | I'm a very started linux user |
| 08:47.28 | jim | umm... |
| 08:47.31 | jim | had you tried |
| 08:47.35 | jim | #squid |
| 08:47.38 | jim | ? |
| 08:47.38 | Blackhold | I don't know all that it could do |
| 08:47.44 | Gnea | Blackhold: i usually throw that into a shell script, have it output to a separate file, then have it email me the file when it's done (basically on a daily basis it tells me what changed :) ) |
| 08:48.02 | dvsdude | jim: k |
| 08:48.30 | mina_linux_Tux | Gnea: must i sign in to see the replies to this thread ? |
| 08:48.30 | Blackhold | I only want to do automaticaly all that I do each day manually |
| 08:48.38 | Gnea | Blackhold: basically what that script does is backup your entire system, but it doesn't backup /proc /sys or /dev, which are all dynamic (like ram) |
| 08:48.48 | Blackhold | no no |
| 08:48.52 | Gnea | mina_linux_Tux: no - scroll all the way down |
| 08:48.53 | simy | this may be a stupid question but how do i enable battery ac processor fan button and thermal from modprobe? |
| 08:49.07 | Gnea | mina_linux_Tux: it's third or fourth from the bottom |
| 08:49.08 | Blackhold | I only want to backup one determinate directory |
| 08:49.23 | simy | so they install at boot etc... |
| 08:49.28 | Gnea | okay, so then replace the / with the dir |
| 08:49.29 | Blackhold | 'cause the rest if fails, it doesn't matter... I reinstall again |
| 08:49.34 | Gnea | it's that simple |
| 08:49.39 | romany | For some reason GUI won't let me create LVM volumes during install |
| 08:49.42 | Gnea | and forget about the --exclude= bits |
| 08:49.44 | Blackhold | the important is /var/www/mysql/base/ |
| 08:49.54 | Gnea | ah |
| 08:49.57 | Gnea | easy. |
| 08:50.04 | Blackhold | is that each day I make the backup |
| 08:50.09 | mina_linux_Tux | Gnea: sorry i can't get it can't you copy/paste me private |
| 08:50.12 | Blackhold | I only want to make a |
| 08:50.19 | Gnea | rsync -zavue ssh /var/www/mysql/base/ someone@another.host:/remote/directory/to/store/files/to |
| 08:50.23 | Blackhold | ftp user:pass@host |
| 08:50.37 | Blackhold | cd dir/dir |
| 08:50.38 | Gnea | Blackhold: ftp is old and insecure |
| 08:50.40 | Blackhold | put * |
| 08:50.58 | Gnea | Blackhold: ssh is encrypted and much better, especially when transfering database information |
| 08:51.37 | Blackhold | ok |
| 08:51.42 | Blackhold | I'm going to try it |
| 08:51.43 | Blackhold | ;) |
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| 08:51.50 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.51 | Gnea | port = 587 |
| 08:51.51 | Gnea | to /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/30_exim4-config_remote_smtp_smarthost |
| 08:51.59 | Blackhold | in the future I can only work through shell... |
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| 08:52.20 | Gnea | the shell is the best interface ever |
| 08:52.21 | romany | I create /boot swap / and then physical volume for LVM. I configure LVM but then the whole thing fails because it cannot write partitions. Can anyone give me a pointer? |
| 08:52.52 | jim | Blackhold: then it migth be a good idea to learn your shell really well |
| 08:52.55 | Blackhold | bash: rsync: command not found |
| 08:53.01 | Gnea | so install it |
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| 08:53.24 | Blackhold | jim I only have using linux since august |
| 08:53.25 | jim | Blackhold: not everything in the world is installed... you have to pick what you want |
| 08:53.36 | Blackhold | I was a really stupid windows user |
| 08:53.46 | jim | Blackhold: ok... but that doesn't mean you can't learn |
| 08:53.55 | Blackhold | I'm learning |
| 08:53.58 | Blackhold | but slowly |
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| 08:54.23 | Blackhold | each day I learn some things about debian |
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| 08:54.26 | jim | I'm not saying you have to know now... but having said that, that means you have to put in the time doing stuff |
| 08:54.31 | Blackhold | learn linux in a week! |
| 08:54.34 | jim | there's no pressure |
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| 08:54.39 | Blackhold | lol |
| 08:54.40 | jim | do what you want |
| 08:54.49 | dvsdude | hey know its a squid ? but using debian for squid setting up squid proxy on debain system i want to be able to control access to interent based on nt4 pdc user group help please can i create acl based on user group |
| 08:55.12 | jim | but I'm just saying... if you see a situation where you're going to be stuck with shell-only... well... :) |
| 08:55.13 | cewek | haiii |
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| 08:55.55 | yage | Is there any "pam" way to make a user (logged in locally) able to "su root" without password (something like a maintenance account)? |
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| 08:56.03 | cewek | haiiii |
| 08:56.15 | jim | hooooeeee |
| 08:56.25 | jim | (is that good?) |
| 08:56.26 | Blackhold | I'm installing the rsync |
| 08:56.28 | Blackhold | :$ |
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| 08:56.34 | cewek | 9fff |
| 08:56.36 | Greedom | hey *nix losers |
| 08:56.38 | Blackhold | it hasn't been installed :_ |
| 08:56.47 | Gnea | yage: sudo |
| 08:56.48 | Greedom | who's suffrin ? |
| 08:56.58 | jim | you? |
| 08:57.06 | Greedom | no, SCO is |
| 08:57.07 | cewek | haii |
| 08:57.14 | Gnea | fuck SCO |
| 08:57.18 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:57.19 | Greedom | people who don't make their own OS blow |
| 08:57.20 | jim | oh good they deserve it :) |
| 08:57.36 | Blackhold | buf... that's really slowly |
| 08:57.37 | Greedom | no doubt |
| 08:57.41 | Gnea | Greedom: so what places us in that realm? |
| 08:57.45 | Greedom | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.48 | AlphaOmega` | does anyone know if debian supports doom 3 for pc? |
| 08:57.49 | jim | I don't make my own os and lots of people here don't either |
| 08:58.02 | Gnea | yeah man |
| 08:58.02 | Blackhold | it hangs and stays thinking a lot of time... now I'm trying to put a very small file to try the rsync |
| 08:58.03 | Gnea | i blow |
| 08:58.07 | Greedom | Gnea - oh, just a user I guess |
| 08:58.11 | Greedom | not me though |
| 08:58.16 | cewek | haiii |
| 08:58.22 | Gnea | Greedom: oh? |
| 08:58.28 | jim | heieoiioieoieoiaioeiae |
| 08:58.29 | Tron_ | user |
| 08:58.31 | Gnea | Tron_: explain, please. |
| 08:58.50 | jm_ | sep: it turns out it's a Windows NTP server ;) |
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| 08:59.27 | Gnea | jm_: they make those? ;) |
| 08:59.43 | neil__ | problem with apt-get tried to install 'usbmount' it said it needs kernel 2.6.12 so I tried to instal the 'kernel-image-2.6-386' package to get lattest kernel. But apt-get wont do it because usbmount has unmet dependencies. |
| 08:59.44 | Blackhold | in rsync where I have to put the password? someone:password@host:/remote/dir/ ? |
| 08:59.45 | jm_ | Gnea: apparently, our LAN NTP server is running on Windows ;) |
| 08:59.53 | Gnea | jm_: sad :) |
| 09:00.02 | HackMeBaby | gone are the days |
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| 09:00.09 | jim | AlphaOmega`: I don't know :) go to idsoftware site and see what they want to do... they know better what they want to do than we do |
| 09:00.21 | jim | days are the times |
| 09:00.22 | HackMeBaby | of RANA drives, Winchester drives |
| 09:00.27 | Gnea | HackMeBaby: it took you how many years to figure that out? |
| 09:00.28 | HackMeBaby | gone gone gone |
| 09:00.36 | HackMeBaby | 27 |
| 09:00.42 | Gnea | heh |
| 09:00.43 | HackMeBaby | 27 years post 110 baud to figure that out |
| 09:00.46 | Gnea | that's a long time |
| 09:00.56 | nkuttler | Blackhold: hm, the man page tells you. |
| 09:00.56 | HackMeBaby | incubation.... incubation Gnea |
| 09:01.05 | Gnea | uhm, it didn't go below 300 |
| 09:01.09 | nkuttler | Blackhold: but it's probably safer to tunnel through ssh |
| 09:01.15 | HackMeBaby | you never used a DecWriter 300 then |
| 09:01.18 | jim | Gnea: heh :) yes it did :) |
| 09:01.20 | HackMeBaby | had a 110/300 switch |
| 09:01.27 | HackMeBaby | AND a line Local switch |
| 09:01.33 | Gnea | that's nice. |
| 09:01.33 | HackMeBaby | if you wanted to detach from the timeshare |
| 09:01.35 | dvsdude | neil__: u need to find what are the umet dependencies then u may need to remove an application that is stopping the dependencies being met. you will need to use dpkg -r to remove the offending app |
| 09:01.37 | HackMeBaby | anyway, all good |
| 09:01.45 | HackMeBaby | keep on bit pushin ' peoples |
| 09:01.46 | jim | and the only thing you could use was this really big printing terminal called a teletype |
| 09:01.52 | HackMeBaby | I's gots'd to runs |
| 09:01.53 | Gnea | but really, i could give a rats ass |
| 09:01.55 | HackMeBaby | it's all good |
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| 09:02.02 | neil__ | dvsdude: I will try. |
| 09:02.04 | HackMeBaby | rat, mouse, what WILL be the next device |
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| 09:02.11 | Gnea | your mom |
| 09:02.13 | shanky | hi, good morning |
| 09:02.13 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:02.16 | jim | cockroach |
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| 09:02.32 | Gnea | now that was an interesting troll |
| 09:02.43 | shanky | what version of debian must I install in a intel EM64T system? |
| 09:02.52 | dvsdude | neil__: i had to do this on a knoppix laptop install were ash-knoppix was causing the problem i got rid of ash-knoppix and apt-get worked fine |
| 09:02.57 | Gnea | shanky: debian-amd64 |
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| 09:03.00 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 09:03.00 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 09:03.04 | jim | shanky: have you bought the hardware yet |
| 09:03.12 | shanky | jim: not still |
| 09:03.18 | Gnea | shanky: i'm trying to do that now from a usb drive and it's not letting me |
| 09:03.33 | Blackhold | I don't think that it could be so complicate... |
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| 09:03.47 | jim | good! read the hardware compatibility list FIRST BEFORE you buy ANY NEW HARDWARE (you could be sorry you wasted money otherwise) |
| 09:03.54 | Blackhold | is only copy a mount of files to ftp :_ |
| 09:03.56 | shanky | but it works with amd64? |
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| 09:04.19 | eXa_bOy | grep will find a word within files yeah? |
| 09:04.34 | jim | yes, it does... and I think you could install the i386 one and that will work on the amd64 box too |
| 09:04.40 | nkuttler | eXa_bOy: it can do that |
| 09:04.50 | Gnea | shanky: read the website. |
| 09:04.53 | eXa_bOy | what would you reccomend?> |
| 09:04.55 | jim | but MAKE SURE that ALL of the stuff in the box can be used or else DON"T BUY IT |
| 09:05.04 | Gnea | eXa_bOy: i thought you said you were a freebsd guru |
| 09:05.05 | shanky | Gnea: ok, thanks |
| 09:05.28 | eXa_bOy | not huru |
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| 09:05.49 | Gnea | well, i thought you knew the commandline |
| 09:05.58 | Gnea | you being the freebsd vserver expert and all... ;) |
| 09:06.11 | jim | whuru are yewuru? huru or thuru? |
| 09:06.12 | Blackhold | bye |
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| 09:06.50 | jim | maan, I go thru too many of those |
| 09:07.11 | eXa_bOy | freebsd vserver? wtf? vserver is used for linux |
| 09:07.13 | Gnea | why, there's even some resin still left |
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| 09:07.55 | eXa_bOy | im not a troll man |
| 09:08.03 | jim | yeah, there is linux vservers |
| 09:08.06 | Gnea | eXa_bOy: tell me ive got you confused with someone else please - you said earlier that you run freebsd jails vserver |
| 09:08.07 | neil__ | I have just gone to install usbmount but it wouldn't run on my 2.6.8 kernel, shouldn't it have a dependancy of the 2.6.12 kernal? |
| 09:08.09 | eXa_bOy | sheesh im asking a simple wquestion |
| 09:08.23 | jim | I know someone who rents vservers |
| 09:08.53 | eXa_bOy | no i run freebsd at work and someoneelse said use debin. i said i can t cause they dont have jails. i said that debian has vserver though |
| 09:09.01 | jim | the best answer to most simple questions is either yes or 42 |
| 09:09.09 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 09:09.20 | eXa_bOy | its the last time i ask in here... too damn critical |
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| 09:09.29 | nkuttler | eXa_bOy: whatever. grep to find something in multiple files. |
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| 09:09.45 | jim | eXa_bOy: yeah, she's using debian vservers |
| 09:09.46 | nkuttler | eXa_bOy: i prefer a pager or an editor for one file |
| 09:09.51 | yacc | eXa_bOy: Well, there are vservers, and there is UML. Xen would probably match your needs too? |
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| 09:10.16 | eXa_bOy | yes im interested in playing around with this Xen |
| 09:10.18 | golly | hey ho......what's a libsane file and why does debian need to ignore the lines with "blacklist " during boot? |
| 09:10.19 | jim | what does it take to get vservers? |
| 09:10.24 | Gnea | grep something somefile |
| 09:10.34 | jim | that can't be right :P |
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| 09:10.55 | LinuxNewbie | hello |
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| 09:11.07 | Gnea | !sane |
| 09:11.07 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
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| 09:11.18 | AlphaOmega` | bbl |
| 09:11.23 | jim | golly: because you might want to blacklist a module |
| 09:11.30 | neil__ | LinuxNewbie: hello |
| 09:11.50 | golly | jim: it's a default install for hpoj module......but I want to stop it complaining..... |
| 09:11.51 | LinuxNewbie | hello where can i adjust the resolution here? |
| 09:12.07 | jim | how long does it complain for?? |
| 09:12.16 | mandingo | LinuxNewbie: in your /etc/X11/XF86Config file |
| 09:12.16 | LinuxNewbie | and the video card driver? |
| 09:12.21 | mandingo | same |
| 09:12.35 | neil__ | LinuxNewbie: Need to know in what kde/gnome etc. |
| 09:12.41 | LinuxNewbie | hhmmm? im using KDE, is there |
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| 09:12.52 | LinuxNewbie | im using kde |
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| 09:13.06 | golly | jim: about 100 lines of code during boot...all pretty much telling me that it's ignoring any line of libsane that contains "blacklist"...... |
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| 09:13.20 | fireba11 | golly: ^^ |
| 09:13.33 | neil__ | LinuxNewbie: Don't know kde but there should be a preference menu. |
| 09:13.36 | golly | fireba11: huh? |
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| 09:14.08 | mandingo | Hey guys, for some weird reason I can't get the debian (sarge) CD to boot. Tried the net install, the full install (direct from the FTP servers and via jigdo). It just won't boot. I get a blank screen with a flashing cursor in top left corner. I am, however, able to boot an Ubuntu CD for instance so it isn't a drive/bios problem |
| 09:14.11 | fireba11 | golly: sounds loke "usefull" error messages .. warning spam ^^ |
| 09:14.12 | mandingo | any ideas? |
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| 09:14.41 | golly | fireba11: yeah....great aint it? especially for a neat freak like me. |
| 09:14.41 | fireba11 | mandingo: loads .. for one what PC is that ? |
| 09:14.52 | mandingo | it's an amd64 hp laptop |
| 09:15.02 | mandingo | zv6000 (which I've read having issues) |
| 09:15.11 | mandingo | but actually booting the CD hasn't been one of them |
| 09:15.13 | mansu | i am using a package called antlr, this package does not include a python part of antlr, will mailing the maintainer help in this case? |
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| 09:15.17 | Gnea | mandingo: HEH. |
| 09:15.30 | jim | mandingo: why doesn't it boot/ |
| 09:15.37 | Gnea | mandingo: i spent 2 weeks trying to get debian to work on it - won't happen, go with fedora core 4 |
| 09:15.53 | mandingo | no clue. like I said, instead of even STARTING a boot process it gives me a black screen with a cursor |
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| 09:16.05 | mandingo | Gnea: momma didn't raise a quitter, I always get it to work ;) |
| 09:16.10 | Gnea | mandingo: did you get amd64? |
| 09:16.11 | yacc | jim: Take a look at http://linux-vserver.org/, there seems to be a third party that provides the Debian packages ;) |
| 09:16.14 | mandingo | yes |
| 09:16.17 | kenney | hi |
| 09:16.19 | Gnea | mandingo: don't even try to go there :) |
| 09:16.26 | neil__ | mandingo: Fedora sometimes breaks when updating becarefull. |
| 09:16.28 | mandingo | like I said, I can boot with an Ubuntu disc |
| 09:16.37 | mandingo | just none of the debian discs |
| 09:16.39 | kenney | can anybody tell me if it's possible to tell apt.conf NOT to download dependencies of a particular package? |
| 09:16.46 | mandingo | was wondering if there are any issues with the images |
| 09:17.03 | mandingo | kenney: apt-get install --no-deps (I believe, check man page) |
| 09:17.07 | kenney | yes, but i |
| 09:17.17 | kenney | 'd like apt-get update&upgrade to keep working :) |
| 09:17.32 | jim | kenney: then you have to get the packages |
| 09:17.37 | mandingo | exactly |
| 09:17.40 | Gnea | mandingo: i was able to get a base installed on it, a kernel recompiled, but when X loaded up, it would hardlock the system |
| 09:17.55 | Gnea | mandingo: plus it wasn't my laptop, it was someone elses, so i had to get it back to them soon |
| 09:18.02 | kenney | what do you mean, get the packages? get sources & strip deps? |
| 09:18.05 | mandingo | Gnea: I know the xpress 200m has issues, but I'd like to actually be able to INSTALL the friggin system |
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| 09:18.12 | fireba11 | kenney: also, if you don't install deps you'll probably break somethieg, they are there for a good reason usually |
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| 09:18.14 | mandingo | kenney: let apt do it's job, that's why debian rocks |
| 09:18.14 | kenney | libsvn-javahl gets me ant + a jre, and I don'tneed that |
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| 09:18.27 | Gnea | mandingo: as i said, FC4 will work. |
| 09:18.43 | mandingo | not a fedora user :D |
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| 09:18.43 | mandingo | gentoo will work too |
| 09:18.46 | mandingo | but I'm not a gentoo user either |
| 09:18.50 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 09:18.52 | Gnea | mandingo: if i had the laptop again i'd dualboot it just to figure it out |
| 09:18.55 | mandingo | anyways, no ideas on why this CD won't boot? anyone? |
| 09:18.57 | poonj | where do I configure setting a button to run a command? |
| 09:19.06 | Gnea | what cd? |
| 09:19.06 | LinuxNewbie | i cant seem to find how to configure my video card, is there another way? like in the terminal? |
| 09:19.16 | mandingo | debian install cd |
| 09:19.18 | mandingo | sarge |
| 09:19.20 | mandingo | -amd64 |
| 09:19.21 | Gnea | which one? |
| 09:19.23 | mandingo | won't boot |
| 09:19.24 | Gnea | dunno |
| 09:19.25 | kenney | fireba11: usually, yes.. :) ok maybe i better ask the svn packagers to change the packaging ;) |
| 09:19.29 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 09:19.29 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, not official yet, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 09:19.35 | mandingo | ahhh |
| 09:19.37 | mandingo | nice |
| 09:19.38 | mandingo | thank you |
| 09:19.54 | Gnea | np |
| 09:20.02 | GuERo | Hi |
| 09:20.04 | fireba11 | kenney: you should do that if it got depencies that it should not have :-) |
| 09:20.08 | dvsdude | LinuxNewbie: you need look at /etc/X11/XF86config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf to set up display |
| 09:20.30 | GuERo | who now a some form to scan/search the geometry of a partition ?? (ext3) |
| 09:20.44 | cewek | haloh |
| 09:21.24 | neil__ | LinuxNewbie: Is it your card not configured or you want to change the resolution? |
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| 09:22.42 | neil__ | LinuxNewbie: Do you have a LiveCD boot disk (e.g. knoppix) |
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| 09:23.37 | zOOz | how to tell kernel at boot time to load md, raid modules? (booting from livecd) |
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| 09:24.23 | LinuxNewbie | could you help me out how to configure my video card properly? i have a redeon 7000 |
| 09:25.48 | neil__ | LinuxNewbie: If you have a LiveCD, and that boots OK, boot it, copy the /etc/X11/XF86Config file to the hard drive and see if that works. |
| 09:26.12 | mandingo | ugh |
| 09:26.20 | mandingo | looks like 64-bit debian is messy |
| 09:26.27 | mandingo | hahahaha |
| 09:26.36 | ben | hello everybody |
| 09:26.36 | LinuxNewbie | hmmm? i dont have that one, i install debian using disc 1. and the rest is HTTP |
| 09:26.40 | mandingo | didn't realize it wasn't a supported architecture yet |
| 09:27.04 | mandingo | LinuxNewbie: if you have a graphical display, then you have a config file for that graphical display (and yes, it is on disc 1) |
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| 09:27.15 | ben | someone can explain me why must we create /usr/src/linux for complie....is it because of make-kpkg? |
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| 09:28.28 | jim | you can put the src anywhere |
| 09:29.16 | jim | except the external-source-code modules to be built by debian scripts have to go in /usr/src/modules |
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| 09:29.28 | neil__ | LinuxNewbie: I don't know how to configure for a radeon card, but you could try the DSL LiveCD, its only about 50MB. |
| 09:29.33 | ben | but make-kpkg doesnt need linux/include....? |
| 09:29.51 | LinuxNewbie | ok ill try it |
| 09:29.53 | jim | it needs to be run inside the src dir. |
| 09:29.55 | LinuxNewbie | brb |
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| 09:30.04 | jim | so -yes- it does need the modules |
| 09:30.09 | jim | err the includes |
| 09:30.19 | neil__ | LinuxNewbie: brb? |
| 09:30.24 | UnderDawg | same diff |
| 09:30.28 | jim | and the make files etc |
| 09:30.41 | jim | is that the simplest oxymoron? |
| 09:31.00 | UnderDawg | yes |
| 09:31.09 | UnderDawg | its just a saying |
| 09:31.20 | UnderDawg | == same thing |
| 09:31.20 | jim | about paying |
| 09:31.32 | UnderDawg | and playing |
| 09:31.34 | jim | for a spaying |
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| 09:32.10 | UnderDawg | are you trying to be rhyming? |
| 09:32.30 | dimir | !brb |
| 09:32.30 | dpkg | dimir: brb, too. Be Right Back |
| 09:32.35 | UnderDawg | lets bust a linux geek freestyle |
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| 09:32.46 | jim | no but Im spying on a slimingh |
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| 09:33.42 | clown | IIRC, there used to be channel #debian-installer for d-i questions. I can't find it no more. Is it still alive? |
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| 09:35.03 | jim | it was a rap before rap was rap |
| 09:35.28 | jim | like 30 years before :) |
| 09:35.45 | UnderDawg | back when MJ was black and GWB hit crack? |
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| 09:36.15 | jim | clown: it's not for d-i help questions... they want you to use the email list for that |
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| 09:37.14 | clown | jim, already found #debian-boot. Okay with that? |
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| 09:37.27 | jim | well no... they don't want help questions. |
| 09:37.55 | UnderDawg | i wish i was still into graphics |
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| 09:38.10 | ChristianP | hi all |
| 09:38.19 | clown | jim, I actually ran into problems with a PXE-boot d-i thingy, so I'm trying my luck. :-) |
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| 09:38.36 | UnderDawg | Someone should make a video with like a crackhead race to the bottom of jagged sheet metal to get the rock |
| 09:38.40 | jim | that you're trying to build? or use to install? |
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| 09:39.09 | UnderDawg | fear factor stuff |
| 09:39.15 | clown | jim, install, but build if needed. |
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| 09:39.23 | jim | if the former, that's probably alright,,, but if the latter, I'm trying to tell you they have asked to NOT REFER help questions to that channel |
| 09:39.26 | ChristianP | i have a samba printer to which i can print from openoffice.org. Now i want to print from acroread: it says print |
| 09:39.40 | clown | jim, okay. |
| 09:39.48 | jim | if it's an installation issue please use the email list... |
| 09:39.59 | jim | they say they handle them better there anyway |
| 09:40.12 | clown | jim, I'll respect that. I'll connect to the ml. |
| 09:40.25 | ChristianP | printer command: usr/lib/lp but it says: the specified file doesn't exist: how can i tell acroread to use printer defined into printers (my samba printer)? |
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| 09:42.00 | Martin_G_3D | would debian be better than red hat linux for working with high end 3d applications that require great opengl and memory performance? |
| 09:42.17 | ChristianP | Does not acroread (and other programs like mozilla-thunderbird) take system printer (like windows, i mean)? |
| 09:42.39 | jim | Martin_G_3D: not necessarily... debian differs mostly in how it's built and how it's adminned |
| 09:42.51 | jim | from a user standpoint there's not much difference |
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| 09:44.13 | Martin_G_3D | ok, which one is advisable when coming from windows with no linux experience at all yet |
| 09:44.27 | jim | well |
| 09:44.51 | fireba11 | Martin_G_3D: i would say some live CD would be best to get some first experience |
| 09:44.53 | jim | what's advisable is to install linux on a separate machine if you have an old "retired" machine |
| 09:45.09 | Martin_G_3D | I don't sadly |
| 09:45.43 | jim | the livecd idea is a good way too; easier to figure out if you actually like linux |
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| 09:46.07 | UnderDawg | Martin, what kind of specs do you have anyway? |
| 09:46.12 | Martin_G_3D | nor do I have multiple partitions atm so i think the livecd is best yeah.. does debian have a livecd version? |
| 09:46.25 | UnderDawg | knoppix |
| 09:46.44 | Martin_G_3D | athlon 64 3000+, 2x512 corsair ddr, ati x300 (will be replaced by either nvidia 6600 or 7600) |
| 09:46.47 | jim | other than that it's kinda hard to get linux on the machine when the drive has its entire space covered with partitions |
| 09:46.48 | UnderDawg | there's descriptions of a lot of liveCDs on distrowatch.com |
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| 09:46.58 | Martin_G_3D | k, thx |
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| 09:47.11 | UnderDawg | ya your good then :) |
| 09:47.18 | Martin_G_3D | which distro is best advancing in 64-bit support? |
| 09:47.21 | UnderDawg | you gota new box :) |
| 09:47.27 | UnderDawg | hmm |
| 09:47.32 | UnderDawg | i dont know |
| 09:48.04 | UnderDawg | i should get a 64 bit cpu :D |
| 09:48.06 | jim | you're going to need at least a spare hd |
| 09:48.33 | jim | or get someone to give you their old handmedown p3 box |
| 09:48.36 | UnderDawg | you using ntfs filsystem martin? |
| 09:48.42 | Martin_G_3D | yeah |
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| 09:49.02 | UnderDawg | if you use a livecd, you should either partition some space |
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| 09:49.08 | UnderDawg | or use another drive |
| 09:49.22 | UnderDawg | with fat32 or ext2 filesystem |
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| 09:49.37 | UnderDawg | ntfs (as i last saw) didnt have full support for it |
| 09:49.40 | Martin_G_3D | ah |
| 09:49.45 | UnderDawg | if i write from 2.4 kernel, bye bye windows |
| 09:50.01 | Martin_G_3D | bummer |
| 09:50.05 | widrone | Im trying to debootstrap a mips IP30 R12k, Im just crossin my fingers. Anyone running debian on a SGI Octane here? |
| 09:50.16 | jim | keep linux off the win drive (it's full of win partition anyway), and keep windows off the new drive you buy |
| 09:50.26 | UnderDawg | yea i think mount makes you override though and warns you |
| 09:50.50 | Martin_G_3D | ok so best solution for dual booting windows and linux is having them on seperate HD's |
| 09:50.51 | mandingo | NTFS write support is EXPIREMENTAL and can't write to the drive in a way you are familiar with |
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| 09:50.59 | mandingo | chances are it will rock your system |
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| 09:51.17 | jim | and not in a good way |
| 09:51.32 | UnderDawg | how do i not rox0r my box0r |
| 09:51.39 | UnderDawg | uhh, if i had ntfs |
| 09:51.49 | jim | buy another drive |
| 09:51.52 | UnderDawg | heh |
| 09:51.54 | UnderDawg | yea |
| 09:52.02 | UnderDawg | im not the filesystem guru |
| 09:52.22 | jim | so that wouild be a good way if you were to do that |
| 09:52.45 | Martin_G_3D | i think i'll just buy a bigger drive, install windows on that, format my current drive and install linux on that |
| 09:52.56 | jim | good enuf |
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| 09:53.26 | Martin_G_3D | do i have to format it in a special way to make it ready for linux? |
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| 09:54.11 | jim | if there's no data you have to back up from your win drive, you -could- format cuirrent drive then install linux, then buy bigger drive and install win on that |
| 09:54.28 | Martin_G_3D | does the installation of linux enable you to format the drive before installing? |
| 09:54.41 | jim | or you could leave win on the smaller drive and use a bigger or smaller drive for linux |
| 09:54.45 | UnderDawg | mkfs |
| 09:54.59 | UnderDawg | with a linux boot disk |
| 09:55.32 | UnderDawg | some distros have a format tool in it |
| 09:55.38 | UnderDawg | *the installer |
| 09:55.43 | neil__ | LinuxNewbie: are you still online? |
| 09:55.44 | Martin_G_3D | ok, thing thats been bothering me with windows xp is that i cant do a full format anymore as i could with windows 98 in dos |
| 09:56.07 | UnderDawg | get a windows boot disk |
| 09:56.09 | mandingo | linuxnewbie No such nick/channel |
| 09:56.31 | Martin_G_3D | ntfs drives arent recognized in dos with a boot disk |
| 09:56.35 | UnderDawg | it can be done without one though |
| 09:56.40 | jim | or lose windows entirely... but I don't really recommend that unless sometime in the future you want to yourself |
| 09:56.47 | UnderDawg | hold up lemme find the disk |
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| 09:57.15 | UnderDawg | hmm |
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| 09:57.30 | UnderDawg | why dont you just pop in the XP install disk |
| 09:57.35 | UnderDawg | and pretend your installing it |
| 09:57.43 | UnderDawg | click the "format" button |
| 09:57.45 | Martin_G_3D | which caused me one time to think i was formatting c: and instead was formatting d:.. while i had just placed all the files i wanted to KEEP on d: :) |
| 09:57.48 | UnderDawg | then reboot |
| 09:58.18 | Martin_G_3D | well thats the thing, windows xp setup 'format' doesnt seem to entirely format the disk |
| 09:58.19 | UnderDawg | i mean why you need to format XP? |
| 09:58.39 | UnderDawg | you are using the quick format or full format? |
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| 09:59.30 | Martin_G_3D | ehm as i remember i didnt have such options |
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| 09:59.45 | mandingo | most linux installers have disk tools to format/partition |
| 09:59.55 | Martin_G_3D | it would just delete all files that are outside the windows folders |
| 09:59.59 | Martin_G_3D | ok |
| 09:59.59 | UnderDawg | use a linux boot disk and do: 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda' that will zero out hda to factory conditions, if you like |
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| 10:00.37 | neil__ | Martin_G_3D: could you use Linux first to wipe the disk then tell XP to format and it will haveto to a full format. |
| 10:00.39 | UnderDawg | hda meaning like C: |
| 10:00.56 | UnderDawg | hda1 is partition 1 |
| 10:00.57 | mandingo | why would you need to format it with windows if you're going to install linux? |
| 10:01.06 | mandingo | UnderDawg: hda is not like C: |
| 10:01.07 | UnderDawg | ya thats what i was wondering |
| 10:01.13 | mandingo | hda is the first physical drive |
| 10:01.14 | UnderDawg | C: is default |
| 10:01.21 | mandingo | hda1 is the first partition on the first drive |
| 10:01.28 | mandingo | hdb1 is the first partition on the second drive |
| 10:01.29 | mandingo | etc... |
| 10:01.34 | UnderDawg | ya |
| 10:01.36 | Martin_G_3D | i dont, thats why i asked if i could also just have it format when installing linux.. |
| 10:01.38 | mandingo | that's a very important clarification |
| 10:01.55 | honschu | is it possible to link /dev/parport0 from one pc to another (maybe with netcat?) |
| 10:01.56 | mandingo | Martin_G_3D: yes, you can format while installing linux |
| 10:01.59 | Martin_G_3D | ok, atm i only have 1 drive with 1 partition |
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| 10:02.06 | jim | yes, all formatting options are available in the partitioner |
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| 10:02.11 | Martin_G_3D | ok |
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| 10:02.16 | UnderDawg | not always |
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| 10:02.23 | UnderDawg | have you ever installed slackware? |
| 10:02.28 | neil__ | Martin_G_3D: Part of the Linux install is to ask if you what to repartion/format a drive. |
| 10:02.29 | jim | nope |
| 10:02.37 | UnderDawg | it has a cheezy installer |
| 10:02.37 | jim | and I'm not talking about that :) |
| 10:02.55 | jim | the DEBIAN installer is that to which I refer :) |
| 10:02.59 | UnderDawg | doesnt partition or format either if i remember |
| 10:03.13 | mandingo | slackware most definitely lets you format/partition during install |
| 10:03.14 | widrone | Uhm, Im in a chroot created by debootstrap and trying to run base-config, its giving me "Terminated"... should I just stop playing then? =) |
| 10:03.19 | Martin_G_3D | so anyone knows if debian is the best way to go for 64-bit support too? |
| 10:03.21 | UnderDawg | partition no |
| 10:03.24 | UnderDawg | format maybe |
| 10:03.30 | mandingo | UnderDawg: absolutely it does |
| 10:03.34 | UnderDawg | at least up to 10.0 |
| 10:03.43 | mandingo | UnderDawg: I used to use slack 7 |
| 10:03.46 | neil__ | Martin_G_3D: So does Fedora 3 & 4 |
| 10:03.50 | honschu | Hello, I want to program my µC with uisp - this is on /dev/parport0. But I want to do this from another PC. So, is it possible to link /dev/parport0 from one pc to another (maybe with netcat?) ? |
| 10:03.51 | mandingo | I doubt they took out the functionality |
| 10:04.12 | jm_ | honschu: plip |
| 10:04.13 | UnderDawg | in the installer, it actually had a help file that told me to alt+f2 and use fdisk |
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| 10:04.18 | mandingo | there you go |
| 10:04.25 | mandingo | I was actually about to say you could do that anyways |
| 10:04.27 | UnderDawg | and i thought it had bash on the disk |
| 10:04.28 | jim | honschu: there is plip |
| 10:04.29 | Martin_G_3D | fedora doesnt seem supported by the 3d application i use |
| 10:04.31 | dvsdude | UnderDawg: when debian installs you are asked to automatilly partition the drive or set manually then you have a choice of formating |
| 10:04.36 | UnderDawg | to mkfs manually |
| 10:04.37 | mandingo | Martin_G_3D: what application? |
| 10:04.45 | UnderDawg | but i dont remember that's how id do it anyway |
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| 10:04.48 | mandingo | UnderDawg: slack is like that period |
| 10:04.50 | Martin_G_3D | it lists, debian, red hat and SuSE |
| 10:04.56 | Martin_G_3D | sidefx houdini |
| 10:04.59 | UnderDawg | yea |
| 10:05.07 | UnderDawg | thats why they call it slackware |
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| 10:05.10 | Martin_G_3D | http://www.sidefx.com/index.php?option=com_download&Itemid=208 |
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| 10:05.17 | jim | but you need a "null parallel cable" (BE CAREFUL, you need THAT cable only... you could kill off your parallel port and parts of your motherboard with the wrong cable) |
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| 10:05.30 | honschu | jim: I cannot find plip in debian, and apropos plip doesn't get any results |
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| 10:05.42 | honschu | jm_: Where to find? |
| 10:05.49 | mandingo | LINUX: Tested on RH 9, Fedora Core 2, RHEL 4 and Debian 3.1 |
| 10:05.52 | UnderDawg | because it doesnt have dumb MS wannabe ultranewbie stuff in it |
| 10:05.55 | jim | honschu: then presumably you'll have to build it into your kernel |
| 10:05.56 | mandingo | I am sure it will work on all linux systems |
| 10:06.00 | jm_ | honschu: read plip howto |
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| 10:06.21 | Martin_G_3D | ah yeah missed that |
| 10:06.30 | jim | yeah, that's a good thing to read |
| 10:06.45 | Martin_G_3D | i kind of need to get into linux as houdini runs a lot better on it, and production studios that use it all run linux |
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| 10:07.00 | mandingo | then I'd suggest you get redhat |
| 10:07.05 | mandingo | because I am sure most of them use it |
| 10:07.24 | UnderDawg | redhat is old though |
| 10:07.41 | mandingo | no older than debian :D |
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| 10:07.57 | UnderDawg | no, but debian is still supported by heh debian |
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| 10:08.09 | honschu | jim and jm_ : Thx for your help. But I do not want to create a network by plip, I just want to link the "device" /dev/parport0 to another computer ovre a still established ethernet |
| 10:08.09 | mandingo | fine |
| 10:08.12 | mandingo | fedora, whatever ;) |
| 10:08.14 | mandingo | same difference |
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| 10:08.45 | kl[clown_pinder] | Debian forever :) |
| 10:08.55 | Martin_G_3D | ok, well thanks for the info so far, good to know linux can mess up on a ntfs drive.. |
| 10:09.18 | mandingo | Martin_G_3D: only if you try writing to it |
| 10:09.36 | mandingo | and even then you need to mount it WITH write support which HAS to be compiled into the kernel |
| 10:09.46 | UnderDawg | ya its pretty hard to accidently write to drives with linux |
| 10:10.00 | Martin_G_3D | ah |
| 10:10.09 | UnderDawg | unless you run some idiotic scripts as root |
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| 10:10.41 | HappyChappy | whats the command to cp a dir? |
| 10:10.48 | HappyChappy | cp -r ? |
| 10:10.51 | mandingo | yup |
| 10:10.55 | jim | man cp |
| 10:10.57 | UnderDawg | -r is recursion |
| 10:11.01 | mandingo | err |
| 10:11.03 | jim | and read for yourself |
| 10:11.03 | mandingo | maybe -R |
| 10:11.05 | mandingo | I forget |
| 10:11.10 | Martin_G_3D | ah i thought that just running linux from a cd and then trying to save files to hd would mess it up.. but thats not the kind of 'writing' you meant then i guess? |
| 10:11.11 | mandingo | might both work |
| 10:11.16 | UnderDawg | i think they're both the same now |
| 10:11.19 | HappyChappy | Don't you think I have already read? |
| 10:11.20 | UnderDawg | i always just man on the fly |
| 10:11.23 | mandingo | Martin_G_3D: you won't be able to do that |
| 10:11.34 | mandingo | not to an NTFS drive |
| 10:11.38 | Martin_G_3D | ok |
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| 10:12.05 | jim | Martin_G_3D: any writing to an ntfs vol is problematic from linux because linux developers had to GUESS about it. |
| 10:12.07 | mandingo | to a linux partition or even a FAT partition you wouldn't have many problems if any at all |
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| 10:12.27 | kl[clown_pinder] | http://mjules.free.fr/NTFS_et_GNU_linux.htm |
| 10:12.35 | jim | Martin_G_3D: if you want to be safe, NEVER mount an ntfs vol in linux. |
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| 10:12.39 | SimonRaven | you would. filesystem perms and ownership don't work on fat32 |
| 10:12.43 | kl[clown_pinder] | : http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:12.48 | honschu | Is it possible to link a device-file from one pc to another over a network? |
| 10:12.50 | mandingo | I mount NTFS volumes in linux all the time |
| 10:12.52 | SimonRaven | symlinks don't either |
| 10:12.56 | Martin_G_3D | Je ne parle pas francais |
| 10:13.00 | mandingo | read only |
| 10:13.01 | jim | !fr |
| 10:13.01 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 10:13.15 | mandingo | SimonRaven: for what he is talking about, he wouldn't have any problems |
| 10:13.29 | encompass | SimonRaven what do you do for a living? |
| 10:13.32 | mandingo | permissions aren't going to mean a whole hell of a lot running from a livecd just testing things |
| 10:13.37 | jim | honschu: vaguely |
| 10:13.51 | kl[clown_pinder] | i speak french, but i read this chan for work my english ! |
| 10:13.59 | jim | might involve a kernel rebuild |
| 10:14.11 | SimonRaven | encompass: how this that any of your business? |
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| 10:14.21 | saloxin | mandingo: normally not, but there is nbd (-client -server) which serves block devices over network |
| 10:14.29 | sep | jm_, how did your insane ntpd go ? figured it out yet |
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| 10:14.38 | encompass | SimonRaven You seem to really know your stuff, I wondered if you did it for a living. |
| 10:14.41 | SimonRaven | s/this/is/ |
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| 10:15.04 | mandingo | uh-oh, a vi user |
| 10:15.05 | mandingo | hahahaha |
| 10:15.07 | oystein | Hi. I'm trying to set group limits to folders. But can't find out how i can give group 1 and 2 write acces and gropu 3 read acces... |
| 10:15.10 | Martin_G_3D | i think ill just buy a second HD as this one is filled up too much already, not good for performance |
| 10:15.16 | HappyChappy | whats the command to rename a folder? |
| 10:15.17 | HappyChappy | rn ? |
| 10:15.22 | SimonRaven | encompass: not at first, no. just stubbornness. then i got some BOFH work several months ago, on contract |
| 10:15.29 | mandingo | mv folderOLDNAME folderNEWNAME |
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| 10:15.36 | jm_ | sep: I found out it runs on Windows, so I am now trying to find similar problems with google |
| 10:15.36 | UnderDawg | you type fast |
| 10:15.39 | encompass | mv is your rename |
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| 10:15.56 | encompass | SimonRaven cool, well, just think your a smart fellow |
| 10:16.03 | encompass | anyway, off to the honey |
| 10:16.04 | encompass | see yas |
| 10:16.08 | jim | Martin_G_3D: probably good idea... you'd end up having to back that drive up (wouldn't be a bad idea to do that anyway) and repartitioning it |
| 10:16.15 | SimonRaven | encompass: ok. thanks |
| 10:16.21 | SimonRaven | to* |
| 10:16.45 | sep | jm_, that's what i figured earlier. :P download and runa sane ntpod on the windows (if you must use that box) the windows implementation is a SNTP not a NTP and you can't use a NTP of a SNTP |
| 10:17.14 | row | Whats debian defaut XFree86 or Xorg? |
| 10:17.19 | mandingo | xfree86 |
| 10:17.20 | SimonRaven | openntpd is also sntp. just general fuckage with that stuff |
| 10:17.39 | jm_ | sep: http://lists.ntp.isc.org/pipermail/questions/2005-June/005898.html same stuff I am seeing |
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| 10:17.58 | row | xserver-xfree86 - transitional package for moving from xfree86 to X.Org |
| 10:18.08 | sep | jm_, i tent to just keep windows as clients saves me a lot of headace |
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| 10:18.13 | row | seems like they are moving to X.Org.... |
| 10:18.23 | SimonRaven | the pool project won't let in any openntpd servers in because sntp is just too mangled |
| 10:18.28 | jm_ | sep: yeah we used to have it on Unix too, but then the fuckers moved NTP and DNS to Windows ... |
| 10:18.45 | SimonRaven | eew |
| 10:18.46 | scanwinder | what is the best way 2 easily switch between a network without a proxy and a network with a proxy(with authentication).............is it possible to get all internet activity directed through a proxy |
| 10:18.47 | mandingo | row: they are |
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| 10:18.51 | Witigonen | I have a question... I'm trying to ssh into my server and I can only ssh in via root, no other user. Exit 254. |
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| 10:19.02 | jim | can I disable shockwave temporarily for netscape and for/as a particular non-root user? |
| 10:19.03 | neil__ | Hi, I have just install usbmount but it doesn't appear to be working, there doesn't appear to be a man page can anyone help? |
| 10:19.35 | jm_ | scanwinder: transparent proxy |
| 10:19.39 | jim | Witigonen: I thought you said you had a question... |
| 10:20.00 | Witigonen | jim: Heh, sorry. I guess the question is, what's going on? :) |
| 10:20.14 | nullvoid | ok guys gtg, see ya |
| 10:20.15 | jim | tell me what's going on I'll tell you what's going on... |
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| 10:20.46 | saloxin | neil__: /usr/share/doc/usbmount ? |
| 10:21.03 | neil__ | saloxin: thanks |
| 10:21.23 | scanwinder | jim: how do u mean transparent proxy? you mean like have a proxy on my comp that i direct programs to and then direct that to either the proxy on the network or to no proxy? |
| 10:21.32 | jim | Witigonen: ok... need specifics... what is the problem, is there history, if so what is it, what are the symptoms of the problem, what do you expect to happen and what actually happens? |
| 10:21.38 | sep | jm_, hopefully your server admin isnt on #debian :) |
| 10:21.49 | jim | I don't mean transparent proxy at all :) |
| 10:21.59 | Guerin | jim: netscape is not in debian. neither is shockwave. Why do you think we'd know or care? |
| 10:22.40 | widrone | saloxin: apt-get dist-upgrade <- r12k IP32 =) cross yer' fingers... |
| 10:22.46 | scanwinder | jim: oops got you confused with jm_ lol |
| 10:22.48 | Guerin | Witigonen: ssh -vvv, see where it stops |
| 10:22.59 | Witigonen | jim: Apparently, the system is still in bootup - that's the error I'm getting. However, it should have long been finished by now, and I can still log in as root. Is there a way to check to see if that is in fact still going on? The problem is that only root can log in (this is all via ssh), there is no history. |
| 10:23.05 | scanwinder | jm_: how do u mean transparent proxy? you mean like have a proxy on my comp that i direct programs to and then direct that to either the proxy on the network or to no proxy? |
| 10:23.12 | jm_ | sep: naah, but I will write them an email now that I know what is going on, thanks for your help |
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| 10:23.37 | lupz | hi all, is there a way to replace a text occurrence in the contents of all files in a directory ? |
| 10:23.40 | jm_ | scanwinder: the idea behind transparent proxy is that you don't have to configure the clients to use it, if you can do that, then it can be a regular proxy |
| 10:23.58 | scanwinder | jm_: what transparent proxy's are there? |
| 10:24.15 | jim | Witigonen: ok, so it will only allow root logins because it thinks it's in a boot process... if you ask it whether it's in a boot process, it will probably say yes |
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| 10:24.28 | sep | scanwinder, since your proxy required authentication it's obviously not transparent |
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| 10:25.20 | Guerin | Witigonen: rm -f /etc/nologin |
| 10:25.25 | scanwinder | i mean, can i install a transparent proxy on my computer and then direct that either through nothing or through another proxy? |
| 10:25.34 | Guerin | Witigonen: if that file exists, ssh won't let anyone other than root log in |
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| 10:25.56 | Guerin | of course, if it exists, something in the boot sequence isn't working properly |
| 10:26.03 | jm_ | scanwinder: squid |
| 10:26.23 | Witigonen | Guerin: it does indeed exist. |
| 10:26.27 | scanwinder | jm_: will it be easy to setup? |
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| 10:26.55 | sep | scanwinder, ssh -D is thea easiers proxy ever. but keep in mind circumwenting company firewalls might be unheathy for your future employment |
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| 10:28.23 | scanwinder | sep: its school.....and i have admin anyway - no-one will care.......besides i dont intend on circmventing it.....i just want to direct the transparent proxy through through the school proxy |
| 10:28.45 | Witigonen | Guerin: and that did indeed fix it. |
| 10:28.56 | Guerin | Witigonen: now find out why. |
| 10:29.00 | jm_ | scanwinder: yeah, it's pretty simple |
| 10:29.40 | scanwinder | jm_: so with squid i dont need 2 configure every program to use it? and, what happens when ive got it going through the school proxy, will it prompt for my username and password? |
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| 10:30.56 | jm_ | scanwinder: it also supports automatic proxy discovery |
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| 10:31.33 | jm_ | scanwinder: yes, I suppose your browser will detect this |
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| 10:31.50 | row | how to I switch between console and x windows using X.Org, alt+ctrl +F<n> does not work :/ |
| 10:31.53 | sep | scanwinder, squid only proxies HTTP/FTP (+SSL) DNS i dont think it will transparent proxy your irc p2p ssh im etc traffic |
| 10:32.15 | Witigonen | Guerin: I'm not seeing anything in any logs, where specifically should I look? |
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| 10:32.34 | jm_ | row: maybe it's disabled in the config file? |
| 10:32.44 | sep | Witigonen, try a pstree see if any Sxx prosesses are stuck somehow |
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| 10:32.59 | scanwinder | sep: damn....but its a start....i can prolly just have a batch script to change config files around to get the other programs going through it |
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| 10:33.09 | jm_ | yeah you'll need something like httptunnel for irc, ssh, ... |
| 10:33.13 | honschu | Is it possible to link a device-file from one pc to another over a network? |
| 10:33.34 | Witigonen | Guerin: the only Sxx process was imapproxy and that went to imapproxyd. |
| 10:33.37 | sep | scanwinder, not all protocols are suited to be proxied that way your better of with a ssh tunnel if you can find a open port to ssh out |
| 10:33.51 | jm_ | let's see what the IT will reply ;) |
| 10:34.06 | scanwinder | sep: i have no idea how to use ssh |
| 10:34.22 | sep | scanwinder, man ssh |
| 10:34.42 | jm_ | Guerin: have you tried my tool? |
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| 10:36.41 | UnderDawg | heh you said tool |
| 10:37.27 | Guerin | jm_: oh! no i keep getting distracted |
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| 10:39.45 | bbrazil | honschu: network block devices - kernel config option |
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| 10:41.47 | honschu | bbrazil: thx |
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| 10:42.11 | caringi | hi... i've installed x.org in my debian/testing... i hate them and now i want to return to xfree86... what i have to do? |
| 10:42.27 | neil__ | When running gnome and I plug in a USB device it gets mounted in /media/<name> automatically is there a way this can be done without running 'X'? |
| 10:42.41 | jm_ | neil__: I already told you how to do it |
| 10:42.45 | Guerin | caringi: you hate it? Why, it should be no different to the naked eye. |
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| 10:43.25 | neil__ | jm_: usbmount mount under the device name (e.g. /media/usb0) |
| 10:43.36 | honschu | bbrazil: But it's only for block-devices. But I want to route /dev/parport0, this isn't a block device. |
| 10:43.42 | jm_ | neil__: what's wrong with that? |
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| 10:44.07 | caringi | Guerin, i hate because it problaby has memory leaks... and eat all my memory |
| 10:44.11 | Guerin | caringi: wtf |
| 10:44.18 | Guerin | caringi: what makes you think so? |
| 10:44.41 | neil__ | jm_: gnome mounts the same thing as '/media/JETFLASH' no matter what '/dev/sc??' it uses |
| 10:44.51 | caringi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.51 | caringi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.59 | jm_ | neil__: mount point is configurable in usbmount |
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| 10:45.07 | caringi | 232 MB is not acceptable! |
| 10:45.10 | linex | Yo |
| 10:45.15 | jm_ | haha just 232M |
| 10:45.25 | Guerin | caringi: what does the middle line of free say? |
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| 10:46.08 | caringi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.08 | caringi | Mem: 256748 254392 2356 0 7152 52212 |
| 10:46.08 | caringi | -/+ buffers/cache: 195028 61720 |
| 10:46.08 | deeler | i tried a @reboot entry in /etc/crontab ... this is the result of the syslog : |
| 10:46.09 | caringi | Swap: 265064 164284 100780 |
| 10:46.11 | deeler | Oct 17 12:43:38 localhost cron[965]: Error: bad command; while reading /etc/crontab |
| 10:46.11 | deeler | Oct 17 12:43:38 localhost /usr/sbin/cron[965]: (CRON) INFO (Running @reboot jobs) |
| 10:46.11 | caringi | :) |
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| 10:46.31 | neil__ | jm_: from my reading of the README, I understand you can only do that by knowing what '/dev/sc??' it is using, or did I not understand it right? |
| 10:46.48 | Guerin | caringi: ok, so much of that useage is swap. |
| 10:47.06 | caringi | xrestop reports ONLY 8MB of memory usage by X resources |
| 10:47.19 | jm_ | neil__: uhm I would expect it to figure out the device name, otherwise you can always do it via udev, which it depends on |
| 10:48.04 | deeler | what could this be ? |
| 10:48.21 | Guerin | caringi: but yeah, my xorg is only running ~30MB |
| 10:48.37 | caringi | Guerin, i now... this HIGH memory usage starts before i migrate from xfree86 to x.org |
| 10:48.50 | jm_ | Guerin: some of 232M is graphic card's memory that's mapped in process's space |
| 10:48.54 | Guerin | caringi: heh, interesting. |
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| 10:48.56 | caringi | after... |
| 10:48.59 | Guerin | jm_: oh, ok. |
| 10:49.00 | caringi | not before |
| 10:49.01 | caringi | :) |
| 10:49.23 | caringi | i'm using nvidia proprietary drivers.. |
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| 10:52.19 | bbrazil | honschu: lpd |
| 10:52.22 | bbrazil | honschu: or netcat |
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| 10:54.00 | caringi | jm_, can you tell me a program to show details about this video memory mapped to process's space? |
| 10:54.08 | honschu | bbrazil: How would it look like to forward /dev/parport0 from one pc to another? |
| 10:54.25 | bbrazil | honschu: what are you trying to do? |
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| 10:54.41 | jm_ | caringi: no such tool that I know of |
| 10:55.15 | honschu | I want to program my µC from my pc, but the µC is connected to a small arcade-cabinet which doesn't has avr-gcc and so. |
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| 10:56.00 | Guerin | honschu: wtf is a ¿C ? |
| 10:56.15 | honschu | Guerin: A uController |
| 10:56.24 | nvz | I was going to use my Pentium MMX 233 system this year to DJ the party and use cplay as usual. but I'd have to buy a soundcard for it. I may just use my athlonXP 1700+ and amarok this year instead. I think I can manage getting internet up there and using that audioscrobbler or whatever its called to help automate the playlist using recommended picks |
| 10:56.45 | caringi | jm_, i've just read this: "The NVIDIA drivers seem to require a lot more memory than the (unaccelerated) XFree driver. Instead of 15-20 MB, X now uses about 220 MB RAM. At least, there seems to be no memory leak as is the previous release, which caused X to hang up after running a couple of days. Anyway, wouldn't dare to use a number >0 as major version number. " |
| 10:56.57 | bbrazil | honschu: you'll probably have to do some coding to get this to work |
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| 10:57.32 | jm_ | caringi: hmm, I've had well over one year of uptime using Nvidia drivers |
| 10:57.33 | honschu | bbrazil: with netcat? |
| 10:58.05 | Guerin | honschu: still don't mean nothing to me |
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| 10:58.59 | linex | l |
| 10:59.04 | caringi | jm_, hmm.. i think that i need to buy more memory... :) |
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| 11:00.46 | jm_ | caringi: why? is it swapping heavily? |
| 11:00.57 | HappyChappy | !tell HappyChappy about smart questions |
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| 11:01.44 | Guerin | jm_: answer: no, he has ~60MB free |
| 11:01.57 | Guerin | jm_: (not that he realises) |
| 11:02.32 | caringi | jm_, sometimes... i'm only running firefox, amsn, x-chat and a few others small programs... and my 256 RAM + 256 MB swap are almost full |
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| 11:02.48 | jm_ | caringi: ahh yeah, 256M is easily filled |
| 11:03.14 | Guerin | hrm, I don't have that problem |
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| 11:03.42 | Guerin | i just have firefox, urxvt, screen, mutt, a bunch of ssh and shells, however |
| 11:03.45 | antgel | i know it's OT but i had to snigger. apparently a new windows patch (official) locks users out of their system, stops the windows firewall etc. you couldn't make it up |
| 11:03.45 | Guerin | and irssi |
| 11:03.53 | Guerin | antgel: pwn |
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| 11:04.04 | Guerin | antgel: imagine if redhat did that |
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| 11:04.25 | antgel | caringi: the memory may be being used as disk cache, i wouldn't worry unless your system is too slow |
| 11:04.43 | antgel | Guerin: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/windows/0,39020396,39230991,00.htm |
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| 11:05.23 | Guerin | nvz: what filesystem they on? |
| 11:05.30 | nvz | Guerin: ext2 |
| 11:05.42 | widrone | nvz : not readonly mounted is it? |
| 11:05.43 | Guerin | nvz: not nfs or anything? it's rw? |
| 11:06.07 | nvz | Guerin: nope and afaik its rw, I did mount -t ext2 /dev/hdc2 /mnt |
| 11:06.14 | caringi | antgel, before installing x.org i never worry about my memory... now i'm always monitoring to prevent the kernel kill's X process |
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| 11:06.26 | Guerin | nvz: touch test |
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| 11:06.34 | nvz | Guerin: the files were owned root:root I did chown nvz:nvz /mnt/home/nvz/Music/* |
| 11:06.50 | Guerin | oh |
| 11:06.52 | Guerin | wise |
| 11:06.53 | nvz | Guerin: yeah the dir is writable |
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| 11:07.06 | nvz | I can touch /mnt/home/nvz/Music/this |
| 11:07.08 | Guerin | nvz: so IOW, the information you gave us was wrong |
| 11:07.19 | nvz | Guerin: how so? |
| 11:07.37 | Guerin | nvz: when he owns them |
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| 11:09.04 | nvz | Guerin: I copied my friend's rips onto this 20gb drive as root on his pc, when I got home I changed them to be owned by nvz:nvz so I can work with integrading them with the rest of the music |
| 11:09.51 | Guerin | nvz: omg p1r4cY |
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| 11:10.09 | nvz | I am working on condensing the genre in the tags to very general category instead of the vast overlapping ones |
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| 11:10.23 | nvz | hey its easier than switching cds all night long. |
| 11:10.39 | nvz | I get them all indexed 2 weeks ahead of time |
| 11:10.40 | caringi | so... i restarted X.org, now using nv open source driver |
| 11:10.58 | nvz | people still bring their own cds sometimes, but most people I get them ahead of time |
| 11:12.31 | nvz | if I am going to waste the resources to use amarok this year I want to at least take advantage of its indexing capabilities to sort out the music. since I am having more people this year who like more than just classic rock, I need to combine more collections and categorize |
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| 11:13.02 | splinux | hello |
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| 11:14.03 | nvz | when I grab up all the Alt rock, Classic Rock..etc and try combine them into Rock/Pop genre |
| 11:14.26 | nvz | it bitches that some are not writable not sure why. |
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| 11:15.29 | eXa_bOy | which file allows you to stop root from logging into ssh? |
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| 11:15.53 | nvz | eXa_bOy: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 11:15.56 | stigmata | hla |
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| 11:16.54 | zorgan | hello |
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| 11:17.33 | nvz | I got way more music to rip this year. I will surely still be indexing right up until 8pm Oct 28 as usual |
| 11:17.55 | nvz | would be easier if I kept the music every year, but I don't |
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| 11:18.05 | eXa_bOy | on the topic of ripping... im trying to find a place i could download NFL maches people record |
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| 11:18.33 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: http://aussietorrents.com |
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| 11:18.42 | eXa_bOy | im in australia and its not televsied. |
| 11:18.46 | eXa_bOy | You beauty! |
| 11:18.47 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: also mininova has shitloads of them |
| 11:18.57 | eXa_bOy | like this weeks? |
| 11:19.00 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: i'm the chief seed :) |
| 11:19.09 | eXa_bOy | AWESOME |
| 11:19.14 | eXa_bOy | on mininova? |
| 11:19.18 | ircdevil | did the number of debian users explode with the comming of sarge? |
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| 11:19.22 | glitch- | what is the correct place on the web to find firmware for 'planet' routers? |
| 11:19.45 | ircdevil | glitch-: google |
| 11:19.47 | ircdevil | :o) |
| 11:19.50 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: yeah, every week people upload the condensed versions, and some geezer uploads every match the NY Jets play |
| 11:20.05 | nvz | Guerin: so pirating NFL material is ok, but indexing RIAA music ahead of time for guests at a halloween party is not? :P what kind of shit is that. heh |
| 11:20.12 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: and you get a few others ... if you have requests, let someone know and you might get lucky |
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| 11:20.25 | Guerin | nvz: did you not see the sarcasm? |
| 11:20.37 | Guerin | nvz: and for the record, yeah, it is ok. |
| 11:20.40 | nvz | Guerin: nope must have missed it :) |
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| 11:20.54 | starscalling | 4:20!! |
| 11:21.06 | nvz | 7:20 here |
| 11:21.13 | Guerin | 20:20 |
| 11:21.14 | nvz | but whatever pulls your bandwagon, toke up |
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| 11:21.35 | glitch- | ircdevil:I tried that. http://www.planet.com.tw/download.php seems to be the place - but when I downloaded one of their .zip archives the crc check failed, which seems dodgy to me |
| 11:21.36 | eXa_bOy | 9:92 here |
| 11:21.41 | eXa_bOy | 9:20 |
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| 11:21.47 | eXa_bOy | PM Monday |
| 11:21.54 | glitch- | ircdevil:ftp://ftp1.planet.com.tw/Internet_Gateway/XRT-401D/FW-XRT401D_278.zip is the bad archive |
| 11:22.06 | nvz | I cant remember now who them goof balls were that made that song about getting high. but thats about what it is. "Because I got high, because I got high.." |
| 11:22.19 | ircdevil | glitch-: you prolly have to write to them, then. |
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| 11:22.59 | eye69 | nvz: Afroman |
| 11:23.00 | eXa_bOy | Guerin : are they under TV Shows or Movies? |
| 11:23.03 | nvz | I meant to start indexing music last night, but I didn't because I was high. I wanted to verify my audio scrobbler account but I got high. |
| 11:23.11 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: just search on nfl |
| 11:23.28 | nvz | oh, because I got high, because I got high.. /me shuts up |
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| 11:23.37 | nvz | eye69: yeah thats it |
| 11:23.47 | Guerin | stupid puritan koreans |
| 11:24.26 | zorgan | can anyone explain me what happened to kernel 2.6.11 in Debian? |
| 11:24.26 | nvz | I sure hope this audioscrobbler only recommends titles I have indexed :P |
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| 11:24.33 | eXa_bOy | what was the game of the week, in your opinion? |
| 11:24.38 | eXa_bOy | and ill download that one |
| 11:24.51 | nvz | I've not used amarok very extensivly hopefully I got time to test it a bit before the 28th |
| 11:24.56 | glitch- | I can't seem to get gettext to work, even on the command line.(LANG=nl_NL; LANGUAGE=nl_NL; LC_MESSAGES=nl_NL; gettext tar "memory exhausted" )..memory exhausted..i checked the /etc/locales.gen, it's ok.I ran dpkg-reconfigure locales, and checked nl_NL.iso.... |
| 11:24.57 | xuniluser | Help: After doing the 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and after extracting the templates and preconfiguring packages, 'dpkg' issued an error: "parse error in file /var/lib/dpkg/available near line 6331 package totem filed name '0' must be followed by a colon" |
| 11:25.22 | widrone | Can anyone tell me what package to dpkg-reconfigure so I can get shadow passwords working, yes I had to jump hoops in a debian install here =/ |
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| 11:25.38 | Guerin | eXa_bOy: dunno, I know fuck all about NFL. The best game in recent memory is actually NZ NPC semi-final rugby, canterbury v otago |
| 11:25.47 | eXa_bOy | lol |
| 11:25.48 | eXa_bOy | ok |
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| 11:26.02 | Thanatermesis | this looks really bad... :S |
| 11:26.04 | Thanatermesis | http://pastebin.com/396298 |
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| 11:26.34 | nkuttler | widrone: try /usr/share/doc/passwd |
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| 11:26.45 | nvz | ah my audioscrobbler id is nvz, go figure |
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| 11:26.56 | nvz | I knew I signed up for it before |
| 11:26.59 | widrone | base-passwd is what Im trying, thanks nkuttler. |
| 11:27.10 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: reinstall |
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| 11:27.26 | Shadur | Thanatermesis: Those are console logons. I fail to see the problem. |
| 11:28.01 | Guerin | libc throwing errors is never fun |
| 11:28.33 | Thanatermesis | yes, a glibc error don't looks really good |
| 11:28.58 | nvz | the good news is I pitched the idea of the drunk pumpkin images.google.com > "drunk pumpkin" to the people decorating for the party and they found it as amusing as I did. |
| 11:29.26 | Thanatermesis | Guerin what reinstall ? |
| 11:29.38 | Thanatermesis | Shachar yes, any console and any user... i don't like really this message :S |
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| 11:29.41 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: everything |
| 11:29.47 | widrone | Wow, I never knew there was a command called shadowconf. Usually the installer gets to set these things for me, but not today lucky me. Thanks again kuttler |
| 11:30.03 | Thanatermesis | everything ? |
| 11:30.06 | Thanatermesis | ~reboot |
| 11:30.07 | apt | Not on your life cowboy :(, or are you using Window$? |
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| 11:30.16 | Thanatermesis | yeah, im not in windows Guerin ;) |
| 11:30.29 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: i'm not talking you through reinstalling libc. |
| 11:30.32 | Guerin | no sir |
| 11:30.47 | Thanatermesis | reinstall the libc package ? |
| 11:31.10 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: might be worth a try,. i suspect the wound is deeper. |
| 11:31.16 | nvz | I should probably show some holiday spirit and get myself a costume this year. I rarely dress up for this party |
| 11:31.21 | Guerin | anyway, I'm off to watch the other semifinal |
| 11:31.21 | eXa_bOy | ok in windows there is terminal services... what is the equivilent in debian / *nix |
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| 11:32.22 | nvz | I'll be a troll for halloween :P |
| 11:32.27 | nvz | muwhahaha |
| 11:32.49 | Guerin | be a goth |
| 11:32.55 | nvz | have my ass hanging out like those little troll dolls :P |
| 11:33.06 | Guerin | hahah |
| 11:33.10 | nvz | there will probably be a lot of people in goth attire |
| 11:33.14 | Guerin | that's better than goth :) |
| 11:33.25 | eXa_bOy | remote options in linux other than ssh? |
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| 11:33.42 | ChrisBradley | Anyone here remember me? |
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| 11:34.00 | nvz | its gonna be cold though. dont want to get a chapped ass |
| 11:34.07 | nvz | thats qotd material there |
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| 11:34.38 | zorgan | what happened to kernel 2.6.11?? |
| 11:34.40 | nvz | which makes me wonder why we never get any quotes of abrotman saying something stupid |
| 11:34.45 | zorgan | I cannot find it anymore! :/ |
| 11:34.54 | nvz | all the qoutes with him in them are him making someone else look stupid |
| 11:34.56 | N0S3 | hell |
| 11:34.58 | N0S3 | hello |
| 11:35.06 | ChrisBradley | Hello NOS3 |
| 11:35.33 | ChrisBradley | I'm running the Sarge Edition sometims |
| 11:35.36 | ChrisBradley | sometimes |
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| 11:36.05 | ChrisBradley | Have had success getting RealPlayer to work with alien and dpkg |
| 11:36.07 | nvz | ChrisBradley: I am sure Piggy remembers j00 |
| 11:36.11 | Guerin | nvz: yeah, there's no justice in that |
| 11:36.29 | nvz | ChrisBradley: RealPlayer is off-topic here, its 3rd party and non-free |
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| 11:36.41 | ChrisBradley | It runs under Debian |
| 11:36.57 | jm_ | but it's not packaged by Debian |
| 11:36.59 | nvz | ChrisBradley: if you install the also 3rd party and non-free w32codecs package from marillat you can play real files in any player you like |
| 11:37.10 | nvz | ChrisBradley: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 11:37.26 | ChrisBradley | I think I'll stick to what I've got |
| 11:38.12 | ChrisBradley | I'm busy with several projects right now - all of which are off topic |
| 11:38.15 | glitch- | I can't seem to get gettext to work, even on the command line.(LANG=nl_NL; LANGUAGE=nl_NL; LC_MESSAGES=nl_NL; gettext tar "memory exhausted" )..memory exhausted..i checked the /etc/locales.gen, it's ok.I ran dpkg-reconfigure locales, and checked nl_NL.iso.... |
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| 11:38.33 | nvz | ChrisBradley: or sure, stick to an alien 3rd party comercially non-free instead of a 3rd party non-free deb package by someone who at least knows how to properly package for debian, that enables you to use the format in any of a number of DFSG free apps in debian |
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| 11:38.54 | ChrisBradley | I'll wait for dis |
| 11:38.56 | nvz | ChrisBradley: might as well cruft your system like windows having a seperate player for every format |
| 11:38.58 | ChrisBradley | sid |
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| 11:39.12 | nvz | Sid isnt going to have Realplayer |
| 11:39.16 | nvz | now or ever |
| 11:39.23 | ChrisBradley | let me guess you're sunning again nvz |
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| 11:39.50 | nvz | sunning? its 7:40am the sun isnt even out yet |
| 11:40.22 | ChrisBradley | That pretty much means its time for me to smoke some cigarettes and make change |
| 11:40.23 | nvz | why not go ahead and install Windows Media Player in wine too while you are at it |
| 11:40.41 | nvz | instead of using w32codecs that plays all those formats with any player |
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| 11:42.14 | eleckttruss | good day! |
| 11:43.57 | ChrisBradley | hello eleckttruss |
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| 11:45.16 | ChrisBradley | Welcome |
| 11:45.42 | bTrust | exit |
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| 11:47.52 | nvz | ChrisBradley: why are you greeting and welcoming someone who came into the channel more than 12 minutes before you did? |
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| 11:49.03 | Ronin | nvz: theyre used to doing it at thier job? ;) |
| 11:49.17 | N0S3 | how to install permanently a tun/tap device on debian sarge 3.1? |
| 11:49.20 | Thanatermesis | Shadur its posible to this message its from a bad RAM ? |
| 11:49.25 | Thanatermesis | invalid pointer... |
| 11:49.26 | Thanatermesis | strange |
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| 11:49.30 | Sir_LeChucK | hello #debian |
| 11:49.31 | nvz | Ronin: ? that makes no sense |
| 11:49.35 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: no, it's more likelt it's a bug in the app |
| 11:49.38 | jm_ | likely* |
| 11:49.52 | Thanatermesis | http://pastebin.com/396298 jm_ |
| 11:49.54 | Sir_LeChucK | i want to install debian, but in the ftp there are like 10 isos, which should i burn ? |
| 11:49.58 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: I have seen it |
| 11:50.09 | Shadur | Sir_LeChucK: Just the ten-megabyte netinstall image. |
| 11:50.21 | Thanatermesis | one bug in what exactly jm_ from you IMHO.. in coreutils ? in glibc ? |
| 11:50.36 | Sir_LeChucK | Shadur: Thanks |
| 11:50.39 | Ronin | nvz: wallmart greater |
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| 11:50.49 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: well do you get the message with any other app? looks like who |
| 11:50.55 | Sir_LeChucK | i;ve tried kubuntu... man that sucks hard |
| 11:51.05 | nvz | Ronin: when he came here (unless as I suspect he's a troll and here from another host) there were over 100 nicks here. he choose one at random to greet and welcome, even though the person was here before he was. |
| 11:51.19 | antgel | !tell Sir_LeChucK about grounding |
| 11:51.58 | eXa_bOy | i apt-get installed apache2 and then apt-get installed php4 is there something im missing cause when i goto a php file it wants to download it |
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| 11:52.39 | nvz | Ronin: wallmart greeters greet people comming in at the door, they do not selectivly greet customers inside the store |
| 11:53.09 | nvz | its WalMart anyhow |
| 11:53.35 | Ronin | and im quite happy not to be able to spell it correctly |
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| 11:53.44 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, what another who application you know jm_ ? i don¡'t know another |
| 11:53.45 | hqs | Hi guys , I have problem in install pure64 system by debootstrap,after Extracting packages ,it says Failure trying to run: chroot /pure64 mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 11:53.46 | eleckttruss | Hello people! |
| 11:53.50 | lucaswagener_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.54 | eXa_bOy | is there a package with mod_php in it or something |
| 11:53.54 | eXa_bOy | i dunno i can remember one having everything |
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| 11:54.41 | nvz | eleckttruss: and bots? |
| 11:55.01 | nvz | trolls? |
| 11:55.06 | nvz | sussudio's? |
| 11:55.10 | hqs | how to solve my problems? |
| 11:55.17 | nvz | heh |
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| 11:55.43 | eXa_bOy | i think what im looking for is libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 11:56.05 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: are there any? I use who if I need it |
| 11:56.28 | row | If I did not install kde but I am using k3b what font package would I ned to get decent fonts like the rest of windowmaker has? |
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| 11:56.45 | Thanatermesis | yes... but "who" shows this bad message of glibc jm_ :S |
| 11:56.54 | nvz | afaik xfonts are xfonts |
| 11:57.10 | nvz | all you need to do is set the same font for QT apps as you have for GTK |
| 11:57.32 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: well you have several options available |
| 11:57.54 | nvz | kcontrol or in most cases with KDE apps you can just use its configure dialog to choose custom fonts |
| 11:58.03 | eXa_bOy | what is the prefered window manager ? kde? gnome? |
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| 11:58.20 | nvz | f.e. I am in amarok right now and configure amarok has an apperance section with font settings |
| 11:58.21 | jm_ | KDE and GNOME are desktop environments, not window managers |
| 11:58.24 | glitch- | I can't seem to get gettext to work, even on the command line.(LANG=nl_NL; LANGUAGE=nl_NL; LC_MESSAGES=nl_NL; gettext tar "memory exhausted" )..memory exhausted..i checked the /etc/locales.gen, it's ok.I ran dpkg-reconfigure locales, and checked nl_NL.iso.... |
| 11:59.05 | Thanatermesis | jm_ several options available? sorry , im not understand good... |
| 11:59.09 | wam | Hi! What's the nicest way to setup a server with 64 IP-Addresses? Everything in /etc/network/interfaces seems a little bit strange to me... Any ideas? |
| 11:59.22 | eXa_bOy | ok ill go with KDE |
| 11:59.28 | nvz | eXa_bOy: prefered apps are a matter of personal opinion or preference. but I am sure neither GNOME or KDE are anyone's preferred window manager, as neither is a window manager |
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| 11:59.43 | madafaka | where can i find how big is debian repository now |
| 11:59.49 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: well a) ignore the error, b) fix the error, c) tell glibc to not perform the checks when you start who |
| 11:59.49 | madafaka | i'm mirroring it right now |
| 11:59.56 | madafaka | and i'm aroung 9gb |
| 11:59.57 | eXa_bOy | nvz.. i got it when km_ said it |
| 12:00.16 | nvz | upon fetching the meta packages kde and gnome you will recieve two window managers kwin and metacity |
| 12:00.20 | Thanatermesis | jm_ exactly i like/need to understand the cause of the problem... how to trace it ? |
| 12:00.28 | nvz | both of which royally suck IMHO |
| 12:00.41 | eXa_bOy | what do you use nvz? |
| 12:00.50 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: compile it with debugging symbols and use a debugger, should be easy to catch with say valgrind |
| 12:00.58 | Thanatermesis | i don't know if it a important or not bug... but looks very bad |
| 12:00.58 | md5sum | like a blowjob from the queen... royal suckage. |
| 12:01.04 | eXa_bOy | generic x? |
| 12:01.17 | jm_ | Thanatermesis: did you check BTS? |
| 12:01.54 | Thanatermesis | no, i look... look for "coreutils" ? (who command from) |
| 12:02.06 | nvz | eXa_bOy: I use sawfish. which though I regaurd as the most powerful and easily configurable wm ever created (thanks in large part to the ease of sawfish-ui the configuration tool) I would not recommend it because its over the years failed to adopt proper standards which make some applications behave in a less than desired way. |
| 12:02.43 | jm_ | might also be a bug in glibc, you really need to find out who does this |
| 12:03.00 | eXa_bOy | thanks for that nvz |
| 12:04.58 | nvz | the only thing I've noticed it does incorrectly is some new apps when wanting to create a pull-down or pop-up type window sawfish treats it like any other window. in the fact that these types of windows are supposed to appear upon request i.e. click, and dissapear automatically. sawfish windows them and makes them follow the default focus model and have to be manually closed which is a bit annoying |
| 12:05.23 | eleckttruss | un buen reproductor de videos que no sea kaffeine xine ni xmms? |
| 12:05.45 | hqs | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.11 | Ronin | eleckttruss: in case you havent seen it yet this is an english channel and there are other debian support channels depending on the language |
| 12:06.32 | nvz | like in OO.o the pulldowns for the fonts, colors..etc show up as bordered windows without titles, and they dont go away like they should when you release the mouse button. and in amarok when you click on a album cover in the cover manager it shows a pop-up with a larger image and it should go away when you release or move the mouse but it does the same as I explained in the other case and does not |
| 12:06.52 | widrone | hqs: The files are in the /pure64 dir yes? And that you pasted looks like two seperate commands. |
| 12:07.18 | nvz | has something to do with a new event outlined in open desktop standards I figure that isnt supported by sawfish. |
| 12:07.42 | widrone | hqs: chroot /pure64 /bin/bash get you into the chroot? |
| 12:07.55 | hqs | widrone:no |
| 12:08.30 | hqs | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
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| 12:10.03 | hqs | widrone:i don't know what's the problem |
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| 12:11.12 | widrone | hqs: Ok, I give up =) hqs : not familiar with the pure64 at all, dont even know what it is, sorry. |
| 12:11.35 | xtof | hi, in which packages the icons for nautilus (the one you can affect to directories) are stored? I only have debian logo here... |
| 12:11.59 | procrastinator | is there absolutely no way to resize an ext3 partition without formatting? |
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| 12:12.03 | hqs | widrone : maybe i need a cd to install for amd64 |
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| 12:12.54 | widrone | hqs: I suppose you are running a debootstrap for the rigth arch? And bootstrapping with the --arch ARCH of your type? |
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| 12:14.16 | hqs | widrone: I am running i386 of debian, my cpu is 64bit 2500+, I want to install a 64bit version of debian |
| 12:14.49 | enr-v | hello everybody!!! |
| 12:15.07 | hqs | do by " debootstrap --arch amd64 sid /pure64 http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/debian-amd64/" |
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| 12:17.10 | enr-v | i have installed mandrake on my laptop HP Pavilion but i cannot use the 56k modem, how can i install linux and connect my modem? |
| 12:17.16 | widrone | hqs: The theory looks rigth, seems like what I did on a mips some hours ago, but my knowledge of fthis is limited from now on =/ |
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| 12:17.57 | row | What font package would I install to improve the fonts displayed in k3b? |
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| 12:18.37 | hqs | widrone: thanks for you reply, i think i need to find some place to get a ISO file of debian for amd64 |
| 12:19.05 | widrone | enr-v: Its probably a winmodem Im guessing, http://linmodems.org/ to get you pre-fix! |
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| 12:19.32 | enr-v | widrone : yes it is. |
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| 12:21.25 | FocusRite | hi all, anybody good with debugging PPP connnections? |
| 12:21.44 | jm_ | hqs: tried #debian-amd64? |
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| 12:22.46 | hqs | jm_: i will go and have a look |
| 12:22.47 | jm_ | ppp howto explains it a bit |
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| 12:23.02 | Anthro | What package is dc in? |
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| 12:23.56 | Anthro | Oh, duh, dc. |
| 12:23.56 | FocusRite | the PP prob I have is that the PAP/CHAP succeeds authentication but then when neotiating IPCP the peer drops the link. This is attempting to establish a GPRS IP connection through a Siemens MC35 GSM modem on ttyS0 |
| 12:24.24 | jm_ | might be worth comparing pppd debug output to a working example |
| 12:24.26 | chemaja | FocusRite: syslog? |
| 12:25.10 | FocusRite | i got syslog being tailed all the time *grin* .. the only system it succeeds on is a 'doze box running proprietary GSM sms/mms handling s/ware so I can't see any settings that are different to mine :o( |
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| 12:25.39 | chemaja | FocusRite: so what's the actual error? |
| 12:25.46 | FocusRite | No idea why vodafone's server barfs after IPCP... |
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| 12:25.58 | FocusRite | is there a pastebin? or shall i chuck 3-4 lines in here? |
| 12:26.09 | jm_ | /msg dpkg paster ; /msg dpkg paste |
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| 12:26.19 | chemaja | FocusRite: check /topic |
| 12:26.37 | FocusRite | looking |
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| 12:26.59 | S4nD3r | I cant print from kmail, only.... May I get help here?... Error while reading filter description for true. Empy command line received. |
| 12:27.00 | FocusRite | i'll paste some syslog in to #flood |
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| 12:27.52 | FocusRite | done |
| 12:28.06 | xtof | Hi, I just have 'debian' emblem in nautilus... Is there a package with nautilus emblems? |
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| 12:32.00 | IRCMonkey | hallo |
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| 12:36.45 | mattttt | hi, is there an exim4 config script in sarge ? |
| 12:36.56 | jm_ | try apt-cache search exim4 config |
| 12:37.52 | cahoot | mattttt: IIRC the trick is: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (or such) |
| 12:38.03 | mattttt | tried that. |
| 12:38.20 | mattttt | I think that worked for woody though. |
| 12:38.26 | jm_ | no it definitely didn't |
| 12:38.35 | mattttt | well, not exim4 |
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| 12:38.48 | jm_ | exim3 doesn't use debconf |
| 12:39.03 | mattttt | wasn't there a exim-config script |
| 12:39.04 | mattttt | ? |
| 12:39.09 | jm_ | eximconfig |
| 12:39.17 | jm_ | but that doesn't exist for exim4 - see above |
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| 12:39.49 | mattttt | yes, exim4-config is installed. |
| 12:39.54 | IRCMonkey | könnts ihr mir helfen |
| 12:39.58 | mnukwam | mail |
| 12:40.23 | mnukwam | english,please |
| 12:40.24 | mattttt | woo, ta. |
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| 12:40.34 | mattttt | thanks #debain |
| 12:40.34 | mnukwam | what |
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| 12:40.45 | mnukwam | okay |
| 12:41.34 | mnukwam | thanx |
| 12:41.49 | mnukwam | u r a friend |
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| 12:43.25 | mnukwam | okay |
| 12:43.43 | mnukwam | no |
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| 12:44.01 | mnukwam | no |
| 12:44.13 | Guerin | mnukwam: your english isn't much better than mattttt's |
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| 12:44.29 | mnukwam | what |
| 12:44.40 | Guerin | mnukwam: your english isn't much better than mattttt's |
| 12:44.50 | mnukwam | are u nuts |
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| 12:44.59 | Guerin | !u |
| 12:44.59 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 12:45.22 | jm_ | nice reply ;) |
| 12:45.30 | Guerin | mnukwam: don't make me do !r |
| 12:45.40 | mnukwam | sorry |
| 12:45.49 | Guerin | or !enter |
| 12:46.04 | mnukwam | okay |
| 12:46.27 | ddd | danila |
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| 12:47.09 | mnukwam | why |
| 12:47.28 | Guerin | mnukwam: please confirm that you can communicate in polysyllables |
| 12:47.36 | ddd | www.danila.com.br |
| 12:47.38 | mnukwam | no |
| 12:47.44 | Guerin | !lose mnukwam |
| 12:47.47 | dpkg | mnukwam: You Lose. |
| 12:47.53 | mnukwam | fuck u |
| 12:47.54 | Guerin | !ops ddd spam |
| 12:47.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: ddd spam |
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| 12:48.04 | Guerin | !tell mnukwam about u |
| 12:48.07 | mnukwam | kiss my ass |
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| 12:48.21 | Guerin | still monosyllables |
| 12:48.25 | Guerin | keep trying |
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| 12:48.52 | Guerin | i'll give you a beer if you come up with a word bigger than wheelbarrow |
| 12:49.04 | mnukwam | I am cute and sassy |
| 12:49.23 | Guerin | oh |
| 12:49.27 | Guerin | sassy has two syllables |
| 12:49.40 | nvz | Guerin: so did sorry, and okay |
| 12:49.41 | Ronin | not longer then wheelbarrow though |
| 12:49.53 | chuck_gr | wheelbarrow? |
| 12:49.55 | Guerin | nvz: shaddup |
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| 12:50.01 | nvz | heh |
| 12:50.09 | mnukwam | wow i am not impressed |
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| 12:50.39 | Guerin | impressed, there's another big one |
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| 12:50.46 | Guerin | still not bigger than wheelbarrow, though |
| 12:51.23 | mnukwam | worldwideweb |
| 12:51.35 | nvz | I am still trying to figure out essentially what the basic genre's of modern music are. without overlapping. so I can use the genre tags of my music in a meaningful way to help me sort and index this music for the party since I am going to be playing more than just classic rock of the 60s and 70s this year |
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| 12:51.39 | tewmten | were can I find the package database that contains the information about the packages on my system? thanks. |
| 12:51.44 | wharf | Hi there. |
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| 12:52.03 | Xor3x | whaty is "arts" |
| 12:52.07 | wharf | I'm about to install debian but i don't kno how to do a multi boot thingy |
| 12:52.09 | Guerin | !arts |
| 12:52.09 | dpkg | hmm... arts is the multimedia framework of KDE, or teh sux, or see "esound". Arts Ruins Teh Sound |
| 12:52.22 | wharf | And add windows xp to the boot options |
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| 12:52.29 | mnukwam | stop it ass hole |
| 12:52.31 | Ronin | multi boot thingy? heh been a long time since ive seen the word thingy uses |
| 12:52.39 | wharf | :) |
| 12:52.46 | Ronin | Guerin: now you have them talking to themselves, very nicely done |
| 12:52.54 | mnukwam | what about me |
| 12:52.58 | Guerin | !beer me |
| 12:53.13 | jm_ | temw;why? |
| 12:53.16 | wharf | Also need to set up linux to detect a hdd that runs using fat32 |
| 12:53.19 | jm_ | tewmten: why? |
| 12:53.37 | mnukwam | can u install a plugin 4 me |
| 12:53.57 | Guerin | mnukwam: yeah. Just tell me your ip address and root password |
| 12:54.19 | jm_ | n-irc plugin first on the list I hope ;) |
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| 12:54.27 | tewmten | jm_: working with chroot, for a custom installation. I'm trying to figure out where the database is located and maybe if it should be placed somewhere else to work with the chroot |
| 12:54.29 | mnukwam | sure |
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| 12:54.35 | nvz | Guerin: you assume that he has a service running that will let you login as root |
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| 12:54.47 | Guerin | nvz: it's my fatal flaw |
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| 12:55.05 | Livingroom | hello can you tell me how to flush all outgoing messages out of the queue? someone filled me up with spam and i want to totally clear the queue. |
| 12:55.13 | Livingroom | queue for sendmail, i should say |
| 12:55.15 | mnukwam | pagedown is my password |
| 12:55.21 | jm_ | tewmten: status file |
| 12:55.27 | nvz | wow creative |
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| 12:55.32 | tewmten | jm_: uh, what? |
| 12:55.33 | chemaja | Livingroom: delete or flush? |
| 12:55.39 | Livingroom | chemaja: um, delete i guess |
| 12:55.40 | jm_ | tewmten: it's in the status file |
| 12:55.41 | mnukwam | no |
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| 12:56.00 | chemaja | Livingroom: it's usually /var/spool/mqueue (clientmqueue?) |
| 12:56.04 | mnukwam | what's that |
| 12:56.08 | tewmten | jm_: ok. where is that file located? |
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| 12:56.30 | jm_ | tewmten: /var/lib/dpkg |
| 12:56.34 | tewmten | ok, thank you! |
| 12:56.36 | Livingroom | thanks chemaja |
| 12:56.37 | wharf | How would i tell linux to find my fat 32 windows drive and mount it? |
| 12:56.46 | CosmoDad | I have a question concerning the versioning of official Debian kernels: on my system, there's kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, and its version is 2.6.8-13. What do the different revisions (-2, -13) reflect? |
| 12:56.49 | jm_ | wharf: man mount ; man fstab |
| 12:57.03 | jm_ | CosmoDad: changelog will tell you |
| 12:57.05 | mnukwam | a plugin,please |
| 12:57.07 | wharf | How would it know what device |
| 12:57.11 | wharf | I'm a newbie to this |
| 12:57.23 | jm_ | wharf: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 12:57.40 | mnukwam | so what |
| 12:57.55 | CosmoDad | jm_: so the 2.6.8-13 is corresponding to the 2.6.8 Debianized source= |
| 12:57.56 | CosmoDad | ? |
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| 12:58.54 | CosmoDad | jm_: It seems to be there're two versions within the kernel package, I don't get even by reading the changelog |
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| 12:59.06 | jm_ | CosmoDad: well 2.6.8 isn't, but -13 is - it's explained in the policy manual |
| 12:59.16 | enr-v | hello everybody!!! |
| 12:59.41 | jm_ | CosmoDad: which file did you read? |
| 12:59.43 | wharf | jm_, say i wanted add my windows os on the boot loader |
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| 12:59.47 | wharf | Hw would i do that? |
| 12:59.49 | wharf | How* |
| 12:59.55 | enr-v | hello everybody!!! |
| 12:59.55 | CosmoDad | jm_: the policy as far as I could tell only informs about debian revision but not the kernel special-type |
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| 13:00.12 | jm_ | CosmoDad: no I meant the policy explains the format of the version field |
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| 13:00.34 | jm_ | wharf: you have my permission if that's what you're asking for |
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| 13:00.46 | CosmoDad | jm_: I get the format, it's upstream-revision, what I don't get is why there're "two revisions" (-2 and -13) |
| 13:00.50 | Guerin | wharf: read /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:00.57 | jm_ | CosmoDad: because something has changed? |
| 13:01.04 | wharf | I know where it's chainged |
| 13:01.07 | jm_ | back later |
| 13:01.07 | wharf | But |
| 13:01.19 | CosmoDad | jm_: let me put it this way: when is the -3 bumped up, and when the -13? |
| 13:01.22 | wharf | I don't know how to tell it to boot to the windows os |
| 13:01.39 | wharf | like fast detect and stuff is written in the windows boot loader |
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| 13:01.47 | Guerin | wharf: so read |
| 13:01.51 | Guerin | wharf: and be enlightened |
| 13:02.05 | Guerin | wharf: or you could just choose to be a fucking idiot for the rest of your life |
| 13:02.35 | wharf | Guerin: Please cease talking like a twat. |
| 13:02.50 | wharf | And learn to respect newbies. |
| 13:03.11 | Guerin | wharf: Please cease asking fucking idiot questions which are amply covered in the documentation you've been referred to. |
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| 13:03.25 | chemaja | Ronin: marshmallow? |
| 13:03.39 | Ronin | chemaja: popcorn and beer |
| 13:03.45 | enr-v | i have installed mandrake on my HP laptop but i cannot use the modem! |
| 13:03.45 | Guerin | wharf: and learn to respect the fact that newbies remain newbies for ever if they're not given some incentive to think for themselves. |
| 13:03.45 | wharf | I woulden't have thaught the doc's would have shown my laptops windows dir. |
| 13:03.48 | rohal | can some one tell me which one should i opt for ubuntu or debian....i have no experience of a debian based distro? |
| 13:04.02 | CosmoDad | argh, jm_ is gone.. can anyone else tell me when the -x in kernel-image-2.6.8-x-386 will be increased, and when the same will happen to -y in the version field of that kernel: 2.6.8-y? |
| 13:04.04 | Ronin | rohal: well seeing we're a debian channel guess what we're going to suggest |
| 13:04.08 | enr-v | i have installed mandrake on my HP laptop but i cannot use the modem! that is why i run scanmodem from linuxmodem.org |
| 13:04.12 | Guerin | wharf: well, you know what ... they tell you how to set it up once you know what partition you're working with. |
| 13:04.23 | Guerin | Ronin: can you read? |
| 13:04.23 | wharf | Guerin, i do try stuff, i been working on getting sound on the laptop for the past 4 week. |
| 13:04.27 | Guerin | bah |
| 13:04.31 | Guerin | rohal: can you read? |
| 13:04.39 | nvz | rohal: what is your experience with? have you any experience with any linux distribution? |
| 13:04.48 | Guerin | wharf: what sound card, what kernel? |
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| 13:05.08 | syntaxx | enr-v, #mandrake |
| 13:05.09 | enr-v | i have installed mandrake on my HP laptop but i cannot use the modem! that is why i run scanmodem from linuxmodem.org! but the first answer is : |
| 13:05.09 | enr-v | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.10 | nvz | rohal: if you can read and have at least one finger or a straw to put in your mouth that you can press enter with you can install debian |
| 13:05.12 | rohal | nvz:i already have gentoo on my comp.... |
| 13:05.22 | enr-v | thank you syntaxx |
| 13:05.22 | wharf | It's a Realtek AC'97 the kernal was 2.6 |
| 13:05.26 | wharf | But i found the problem |
| 13:05.29 | Guerin | enr-v: give us one reason why we shoulf give a fuck. |
| 13:05.30 | enr-v | bybye everybody!!! |
| 13:05.33 | wharf | I think theres a hardware conflict |
| 13:05.35 | nvz | rohal: if you managed to install gentoo debian should probably be a breeze |
| 13:05.45 | wharf | Both modem and soundcard uses the same IRQ |
| 13:05.50 | enr-v | bybye guerin!!! |
| 13:05.57 | rohal | nvz:i thought since ubuntu & debian are like siblings s ou ppl wont be biased... |
| 13:05.57 | Guerin | wharf: oh, you're using a sound card made by a [shitty] ethernet manufacturer |
| 13:06.15 | wharf | Nope. |
| 13:06.32 | CosmoDad | wharf: is that snd-intel8x0[m] you're talking about? |
| 13:06.36 | Guerin | rohal: go ask a younger brother who's tougher - him or his baby brother. |
| 13:06.37 | rohal | nvz: is there anything in debian which ubuntu cant provide? |
| 13:06.45 | wharf | Don't think thats the one. |
| 13:06.45 | Guerin | rohal: stability. |
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| 13:06.53 | Guerin | wharf: don't think, know. |
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| 13:06.58 | syntaxx | rohal, server stability? |
| 13:07.10 | CosmoDad | rohal: a root shell :) |
| 13:07.18 | Guerin | CosmoDad: bzzzzzzzzt |
| 13:07.20 | wharf | I rememer that it was slightly diffrent, ALSA does support the card, |
| 13:07.24 | Guerin | CosmoDad: thanks for playing |
| 13:07.28 | rohal | CosmoDad:isnt sudo doing that thing? |
| 13:07.34 | Guerin | wharf: using which driver |
| 13:07.37 | Guerin | ? |
| 13:07.50 | CosmoDad | rohal: yeah sort of, it was a joke |
| 13:07.59 | nvz | rohal: yeah stability and the debian community |
| 13:08.11 | CosmoDad | Guerin: scnr |
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| 13:08.30 | nvz | rohal: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
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| 13:08.32 | rohal | nvz: well stability i agree...but ubuntu too have a good community support.... |
| 13:08.52 | wharf | I remember there was IXP in it, |
| 13:08.58 | nvz | rohal: its your choice. people come in here from #ubuntu whining all the time that nobody in there answers their questions |
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| 13:09.22 | nvz | rohal: debain has been around WAY longer and has a much larger support community I am sure. |
| 13:09.23 | CosmoDad | wharf: what does lspci tell you |
| 13:09.35 | syntaxx | rohal, just follow your heart :D |
| 13:09.46 | snail | nvz: unless you count the support they're leeching... |
| 13:09.47 | Guerin | and debian has been around even longer than debain |
| 13:09.56 | minil | i am cute |
| 13:09.58 | chemaja | rohal: if you are lazy and want the latest software, install ubuntu. otherwise, debian. |
| 13:10.00 | snail | Guerin: much longer |
| 13:10.04 | wharf | I can't list that info as the linux os aint installed |
| 13:10.07 | ryushe | nvz > the funny thing is that most other distro channels in here don't tell new people to the distro to "fuck off and go read the manual" |
| 13:10.07 | nvz | heh |
| 13:10.09 | wharf | I was about to reinstall it. |
| 13:10.21 | wharf | But i still want access to windows incase i get problems |
| 13:10.24 | ryushe | I agree about reading manuals |
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| 13:10.32 | Guerin | wharf: install debian, then get back to us |
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| 13:10.36 | nvz | ryushe: whats that got to do with anything? |
| 13:10.38 | rohal | ill too prefer debian but the problem is its installation seems to be more time consuming.....i do not want to write more than a dozen cd's for it... |
| 13:10.40 | CosmoDad | wharf: you don't even have linux installed but seek help to make your sound card work? |
| 13:10.41 | ryushe | but there is a difference in telling people they should do it too ;) |
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| 13:10.58 | nvz | ryushe: we dont tell people to fuck off and RTFM either unless its the best thing to do. |
| 13:11.03 | Guerin | rohal: of course, if you burn more than 120MB of data, you're doing something wrong |
| 13:11.04 | Ronin | rohal: one tiny little cd is all thats needed |
| 13:11.12 | wharf | CosmoDad, i did have it installed, but on the linux os i wont get far with no internet connection working. |
| 13:11.14 | Guerin | !tell rohal about install debian |
| 13:11.22 | syntaxx | rohal, thats why there's netinstall |
| 13:11.31 | minil | sorry |
| 13:11.32 | Guerin | ryushe: you're wrong |
| 13:11.38 | wharf | I'm going to try do a multi boot on it. |
| 13:11.40 | ryushe | well, there are certain people here that seem to think that if you cannot do $whatever, you should not be here ... |
| 13:11.41 | nvz | ryushe: its only the case when they are being unreasonable to tell them to fuck off, and its only proper to say RTFM when the manual clearly states it better than anything else. which is usually the case. |
| 13:11.43 | minil | sorry |
| 13:11.44 | Guerin | wharf: go on, then. |
| 13:11.51 | CosmoDad | wharf: do that |
| 13:11.53 | Guerin | wharf: where are the rockets? |
| 13:11.59 | ryushe | RTM is reasonable, RTFM is not really so ... |
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| 13:12.02 | wharf | Rockets? |
| 13:12.09 | chemaja | ryushe: "friendly"? |
| 13:12.18 | Guerin | wharf: well, you're making out as if this is rocket science |
| 13:12.29 | Guerin | wharf: so I'm wondering where the rockets are. |
| 13:12.31 | rohal | k thanks i always wondered why they provide so many cd's.... |
| 13:12.36 | nvz | ryushe: if you take offence to thinking for oneself rather than expecting people who work harder to read and regurgitate information thats your problem. |
| 13:12.36 | minil | sorry |
| 13:12.46 | wharf | Well, to people who use linux all the time it would be well easy to them. |
| 13:13.16 | CosmoDad | wharf: linux isn't for people who are unwilling to gain information by themselves |
| 13:13.37 | ryushe | nvz, I don't and I completely agree people should be told to read whatever manual there is to read, but I do think the way it is said is usually unfriendly |
| 13:13.41 | wharf | CosmoDad, i am allilling. |
| 13:13.41 | nvz | rohal: if you have a steady net connection you dont really need to write more than a small netinstall cd. my debian install disc is a 3" 210mb/24min netinstall |
| 13:13.42 | Guerin | wharf: if you install sarge, it SHOULD set up your windows boot automatically. |
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| 13:13.54 | Guerin | wharf: and even if it doesn't it's trivial to do yourself. |
| 13:13.54 | karl | How do I configure apache? I have vpn clients and on vpn up with negative client balance I want to redirect (iptables) all their outgoing web trafic to a page on my web site. All my plaing with virtual hosts was not successful. I always get the first virtual host (( |
| 13:13.54 | wharf | I have been looking up info on hardware for ages |
| 13:14.01 | wharf | Thats how i found the conflict |
| 13:14.06 | Guerin | wharf: do it and then we'll help you. |
| 13:14.06 | snail | rohal: there are so many cds because debian has so much software, much more than any other distro |
| 13:14.08 | ryushe | anyways, back to idling |
| 13:14.17 | nvz | ryushe: RTFM isnt unfriendly. its your choice of how you interpret it |
| 13:14.21 | wharf | Ok, thanks gudi |
| 13:14.24 | wharf | Guerin* |
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| 13:14.47 | Guerin | karl: #apache |
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| 13:14.59 | Guerin | !beer abrotman |
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| 13:15.03 | jemarch | epa |
| 13:15.25 | abrotman | yay |
| 13:15.45 | bibe | wharf : I suggest you not to mount your windows partition during install, the debian installer seems to ignore it while constructing the grub's menu.lst (the list of operating systems to choose from at boot) |
| 13:16.43 | bibe | Wmob : I suggest you not to mount your windows partition during install, the debian installer seems to ignore it while constructing the grub's menu.lst (the list of operating systems to choose from at boot) |
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| 13:18.04 | rohal | can i install debian without writing a cd or floppy......through some other distro & net?? |
| 13:18.29 | beardy | !d-i |
| 13:18.29 | dpkg | d-i is probably you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 13:18.33 | beardy | !chroot install |
| 13:18.34 | dpkg | i heard chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 13:18.53 | Wmob | bibe, i was going to do that after install, trying to set up a irc link using my phone so i can stay on irc. |
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| 13:19.15 | Wmob | Never mind. |
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| 13:22.38 | rohal | can i install debian without writing a cd or floppy......from some other installed distro & network connection? |
| 13:22.49 | Pixels- | yup |
| 13:22.52 | sep | rohal, yes |
| 13:22.55 | Pixels- | www.debian.org |
| 13:22.55 | meff | rohal: debootstrap |
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| 13:22.58 | widrone | Yes. |
| 13:23.00 | Pixels- | look at the install docs. |
| 13:23.40 | widrone | Look at C.4 part if you already have a unix of some sort running in the machine. |
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| 13:23.58 | beardy | !tell rohal -about install guide |
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| 13:25.27 | rohal | beardy: one more small query...is that dpkg a bot....:) |
| 13:25.33 | asg | !botsnack |
| 13:25.42 | beardy | !what are you |
| 13:25.42 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 13:31.03 | fireba11 | !blootbot |
| 13:31.03 | dpkg | it has been said that blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
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| 13:31.14 | fireba11 | ^^ |
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| 13:32.24 | jm_ | CosmoDad: still here? |
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| 13:33.20 | nwtk | hi |
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| 13:35.25 | jaaro | hi there. I've connected USB stick and it is reported as a device of the USB version 1 (/proc/bus/usb/devices). But I suppose it should be version 2. What is responsible for this stuff and can it be told to use v2 somehow? |
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| 13:36.08 | Guerin | jaaro: lsmod |grep hdc_ehci |
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| 13:36.13 | Guerin | jaaro: any output? |
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| 13:36.31 | jaaro | Guerin: no :-/ |
| 13:36.37 | jaaro | hdc_ehci module is missing? |
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| 13:36.51 | Guerin | jaaro: modprobe hcd_ehci and try plugging in again |
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| 13:37.09 | jaaro | Guerin: I don't have hdc_ehci module. |
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| 13:37.20 | jaaro | Guerin: But using stock kernel. |
| 13:37.35 | Guerin | it's uhci_hcd |
| 13:37.38 | Guerin | sorry |
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| 13:37.41 | Guerin | ehci_hcd |
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| 13:37.46 | Guerin | man, I'm stupid tonight |
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| 13:38.17 | jaaro | Guerin: Yes. That's much better. Thanks for help :) |
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| 13:38.21 | jaaro | Guerin: tonight? |
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| 13:38.39 | jaaro | Guerin: It's 3:38 pm in here :) |
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| 13:38.49 | Guerin | jaaro: news flash: 23/24ths of the world are not in the same timezone as you |
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| 13:39.03 | jaaro | Guerin: I know :-)) |
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| 13:39.53 | jaaro | Guerin: The exact statistical model with population distribution among timezones would be probably more complicated. |
| 13:40.12 | Guerin | jaaro: don't confuse me |
| 13:40.16 | Guerin | it's dangerous |
| 13:40.36 | asg | !confuse Guerin |
| 13:40.36 | jaaro | Guerin: Okay. I'm just joking. |
| 13:40.39 | dpkg | No, what is their weasel tomorrow, Guerin? breeches of the monarchy of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
| 13:40.47 | asg | mmmmm crab paste |
| 13:40.54 | Guerin | mmm, breeches |
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| 13:43.19 | jaaro | Guerin: and what are uhci | ohci -hcd stuff about? |
| 13:43.22 | UnderDawg | how can i install debian without a CD? |
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| 13:43.40 | UnderDawg | is there a network installer? |
| 13:43.41 | LoRez | UnderDawg: use floppies |
| 13:43.45 | UnderDawg | ugh |
| 13:43.46 | jm_ | jaaro: read about it in kernel config help entries |
| 13:43.46 | beardy | !tell UnderDawg -about install guide |
| 13:43.51 | zorgan | ugh? |
| 13:43.56 | zorgan | it's still the best way! =D |
| 13:43.58 | asg | UnderDawg: tftp boot, usbstick boot |
| 13:43.58 | jm_ | or Documentation/usb/* |
| 13:44.38 | Guerin | jaaro: [uo]hci are usb1 support - there are two separate flavours. you need one of those, plus ehci, if your chipset supports it, for usb2 |
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| 13:46.08 | jaaro | Guerin: strange is that is it still reported as ver.1 device with ehci-hcd loaded in kernel. |
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| 13:46.34 | zorgan | anyone can explain me why kernel 2.6.11 is no longer available? |
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| 13:46.42 | Guerin | jaaro: i don't actually know anything about how usb2 works, since all my shit uses usb 1 |
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| 13:47.09 | Guerin | i have a usb2 computer, but it's so buried behind shit I can't be arsed plugging anything into it |
| 13:47.20 | CosmoDad | I have machines A and B, and I want B to have A's packages in exactly the version A has them only. The repository I use contains these versions, any easy way to do that? |
| 13:47.21 | tuv | since i upgraded to kernel 2.6.12 my machine hangs all the time. I didn't have this problem using 2.6.11, but i cannot find 2.6.11 anymore. using debian/testing |
| 13:47.45 | Guerin | CosmoDad: aptitude install B=version.you.want |
| 13:47.50 | bibe | hi all. what can be an useful tool (possibly debian-packaged) to easily switch between different network environment? I'd like to store different configurations for my laptop in one file for each different configuration, and then select it with a kernel boot parameter and/or with a script that does it on the fly. |
| 13:47.53 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 13:47.54 | tuv | btw, it's a toshiba laptop satellite A70 |
| 13:48.11 | Guerin | CosmoDad: what branch is machine A running? |
| 13:48.13 | abrotman | tuv: so go back to the old kernel ? |
| 13:48.16 | jaaro | Guerin: That's very strange. My mouse reports to be v2 while the usb stick still uses v1. Maybe it's really v1, but I don't expect it. |
| 13:48.26 | tuv | abortman: where can i find it? |
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| 13:48.38 | abrotman | tuv: did you check packages.debian.org ? |
| 13:48.40 | Guerin | abort! abort! man! |
| 13:48.43 | CosmoDad | Guerin: it's something between old-testing and stable now |
| 13:48.53 | CosmoDad | Guerin: and it's tons of packages, no way I'm gonna do this manually |
| 13:48.54 | Guerin | CosmoDad: good luck with that. |
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| 13:49.13 | abrotman | tuv: snapshot.debian.net |
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| 13:49.27 | Guerin | CosmoDad: you might find you're in luck, and haven't apt-get clean'ed in a while, and the packages are all still in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 13:49.51 | Guerin | CosmoDad: in which case you can just set your sources.list to something ancient and copy them over. |
| 13:49.52 | jaaro | CosmoDad: can apt-show-version produce output suitable for apt/dpkg or something like this? |
| 13:50.03 | stew | bibe: look at laptop-net |
| 13:50.07 | Guerin | jaaro: it can, but it needs a lot of massaging |
| 13:50.22 | bibe | stew : thanks, I'll have a look at that |
| 13:50.28 | Guerin | jaaro: itym apt-cache show |
| 13:50.33 | zorgan | packages.debian.org only has versions 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 13:50.34 | CosmoDad | Guerin, jaaro: I'm gonna try deleting B's package cache and copy the package list from A, hope that works |
| 13:50.35 | paolob | Hi guys! I have a problem with mc, that needs a DNS translation in order to run. In the pastebot there is the tcpdump ()http://channels.debian.net/paste/918. Any idea? thank you!!! |
| 13:50.42 | zorgan | I'm having the same prob |
| 13:50.43 | tuv | abortman: but isn't a .11 version supposed to be a development version? |
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| 13:50.48 | stew | zorgan: kernel-image was renamed linux-image |
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| 13:51.06 | Guerin | zorgan: you're searching stable. It doesn't change. |
| 13:51.13 | rohal | can i install my own debootstrap provided by gentoo to install debian? |
| 13:51.44 | widrone | rohal: Provided by gentoo? |
| 13:51.50 | stew | rohal: as long as its relatively up to date, yes |
| 13:51.50 | Guerin | rohal: try it and see. If it fails, complain to gentoo or install debootstrap from debian source |
| 13:51.51 | zorgan | ahhh :) |
| 13:51.57 | zorgan | so there's a linux-tree? |
| 13:52.03 | Guerin | widrone: gentoo provides quite a few debian utilities |
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| 13:52.24 | TBBle | Is there a way to report bugs against a source package with reportbug? |
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| 13:52.41 | Guerin | TBBle: are you finding the bug in the source package? |
| 13:52.53 | Guerin | TBBle: or in a resulting binary? |
| 13:53.00 | rohal | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.16 | TBBle | It's a FTBFS. (php4 has been boned by libcurl3-dev disappearing, and no one seems to have noticed) |
| 13:53.18 | Guerin | rohal: the only way to know is to try |
| 13:53.26 | Guerin | TBBle: unstable? |
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| 13:53.33 | master_of_master | hi, how can I add a postscript printer (Brother HL 5150D) to cups? In the cups web interface there is no possibility to choose Brother |
| 13:53.40 | TBBle | Yeah |
| 13:53.44 | zorgan | Guerin: many thanks |
| 13:53.58 | Guerin | TBBle: it'll be fixed as soon as the maint upgrades |
| 13:54.03 | TBBle | Oct 10 is the date on the relevant libcurl3-dev upload. |
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| 13:54.23 | faljse | master_of_master: you need to copy the ppd... somewhere in /usr/share... |
| 13:54.46 | faljse | master_of_master: /usr/share/cups/model/ |
| 13:54.59 | Guerin | TBBle: i honestly don't know if you can - try filing a bug against the source package name; failing that, file against what it breaks. |
| 13:55.12 | beardy | faljse: To where should he copy it, he'll need to know. |
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| 13:55.18 | zorgan | bye everyone |
| 13:55.21 | rohal | Guerin:dont worry gentoo ppl are not so biased after all debian is a linux too.....:) |
| 13:56.01 | stew | rohal: if it doesn't work, you likely could make it work by downloading debootstrap from packages.debian.org and replacing the "sarge*" scripts in /usr/lib/debootstrap |
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| 13:57.05 | Guerin | rohal: that's not true, but they DO like to include lots of dev tools |
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| 13:57.35 | tuv | abortman: i can't find the 686-smp version in snapshot.debian.net |
| 13:57.41 | goron | Are symbolic links followed when doing an rm -rf somedir? |
| 13:57.47 | Guerin | goron: no |
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| 13:57.50 | stew | TBBle: http://bugs.debian.org/src:php4 |
| 13:57.59 | goron | Guerin: same with hardlinks? |
| 13:58.04 | TBBle | That's how to _view_ them, not how to submit them. |
| 13:58.05 | abrotman | tuv: do you want me to find it? :) |
| 13:58.21 | TBBle | The problem is that reportbug doesn't check for source packages if a binary of the same name exists |
| 13:58.24 | tuv | abortman: i just want a solution! |
| 13:58.29 | TBBle | And there's no command-line switch to override. |
| 13:58.29 | abrotman | !give tuv a solution |
| 13:58.31 | dpkg | give tuv a solution |
| 13:58.35 | abrotman | dpkg: you suck |
| 13:58.36 | dpkg | Dream on, abrotman. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 13:58.39 | rohal | Guerin:which one should i install woody or stable.....i want the latest but stable??? |
| 13:58.39 | Guerin | goron: hardlinks are removed, but if there exists at least one additional hard link, or the original file, the file will remain |
| 13:58.45 | Guerin | rohal: stable |
| 13:59.00 | stew | TBBle: ask in #debian-bugs |
| 13:59.00 | TBBle | I'll just submit it against php4-curl and let the maintainers sort it out. Bugs against source packages strike me as slightly dangerous anyway |
| 13:59.21 | stew | rohal: stable aka sarge |
| 13:59.25 | beardy | rohal: sarge |
| 13:59.26 | Ryushin | Is there a code name for the expermental branch? Like sid, etch, etc. |
| 13:59.28 | beardy | !sarge |
| 13:59.28 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 13:59.29 | Guerin | goron: if you remove the last link to a hardlinked file, it will be deleted |
| 13:59.36 | Guerin | Ryushin: dontfuckingusethis |
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| 13:59.36 | stew | Ryushin: nope |
| 13:59.49 | Guerin | Ryushin: i know it's long, but it needs to be explicit |
| 13:59.49 | abrotman | tuv: they lost part of the archive a while ago .. let me look |
| 14:00.02 | Ryushin | Guerin: Ahh, c'mon. I like to live dangereously. :) |
| 14:00.03 | stew | Ryushin: its not a full distribution its a random collection of probably broken packages, not every package is represented there |
| 14:00.20 | Ryushin | I just need the latest xorg packages. |
| 14:00.25 | TBBle | stew: Oh, good idea! |
| 14:00.32 | Guerin | Ryushin: you might think you do, but you don't |
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| 14:00.48 | beardy | Ryushin: Give us your reason to why you need them? |
| 14:00.55 | MrNaz | Guerin what's he want to do? |
| 14:01.03 | Ryushin | If it breaks, I can move back. I need it for my middle mouse button to work on my laptop with the trackpoint mouse device. |
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| 14:01.15 | Guerin | MrNaz: /msg dpkg htfswk |
| 14:01.24 | Ryushin | I want to be able to scroll and paste using the same button. |
| 14:01.39 | MrNaz | aah heh |
| 14:01.41 | beardy | Ryushin: I wouldn't break my system over a mouse button, but go ahead if you want to. |
| 14:01.43 | goron | Guerin: So when I have /home/mydir , and execute rm -rf /home/mydir/somedir, it's impossible to remove /home/mydir with it? |
| 14:01.59 | MrNaz | Guerin what i really wanted to ask... what are you advising him NOT to do? |
| 14:02.05 | beardy | Ryushin: It's probably fixable in the one you have now. |
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| 14:02.36 | Guerin | goron: if you have /home/mydir linked within /home/mydir/somedir, /home/mydir won't be removed |
| 14:02.42 | abrotman | tuv: all i acn find is -386! |
| 14:02.50 | Guerin | MrNaz: use experimental. |
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| 14:03.01 | Guerin | goron: particularly since a dir can't be hardlinked |
| 14:03.02 | stew | Ryushin: where did you see that this was fixed between 6.8.2 and 6.8.99? |
| 14:03.13 | abrotman | tuv: oh wait .. got it |
| 14:03.14 | MrNaz | aah |
| 14:03.19 | abrotman | tuv: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/06/23/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.11-i386/ |
| 14:03.21 | goron | Guerin: Ok, since I always assumed this, but I didn't know it. Thanks. |
| 14:03.41 | abrotman | tuv: you owe me a beer! |
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| 14:03.44 | Guerin | goron: a symlink isn't ever followed by rm or such unless you tell it to be |
| 14:03.44 | wharf | Hi again. |
| 14:03.46 | wharf | :) |
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| 14:04.00 | tuv | abortman: thanks.. hope this fix my problem |
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| 14:04.04 | Guerin | goron: a hardlink is nothing more than another name for the same file - as long as one name exists, so must the file |
| 14:04.09 | wharf | Guerin, my debian cd has a nice scrach in it :/ |
| 14:04.09 | abrotman | tuv: we'll see .. don't forget to file a bug if you can |
| 14:04.13 | Ryushin | stew: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint Torwards the bottom. |
| 14:04.16 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 14:04.16 | dpkg | i heard sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 14:04.16 | Guerin | wharf: sucks to be you |
| 14:04.25 | abrotman | floppies don't scratch |
| 14:04.31 | Guerin | abrotman: hahaha |
| 14:04.42 | wharf | Do you know where i can download the same one, it's Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 (Sarge) |
| 14:04.47 | abrotman | !d-i wharf |
| 14:04.48 | dpkg | wharf, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:04.49 | overnout | casesette ? |
| 14:04.52 | Guerin | wharf: topic |
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| 14:04.58 | abrotman | overnout: cassette ... |
| 14:05.01 | abrotman | you know .. Tape |
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| 14:05.04 | abrotman | before CDs |
| 14:05.06 | overnout | lol |
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| 14:05.14 | abrotman | no .. not 8-track |
| 14:05.19 | Guerin | s/rmp/rpm/ |
| 14:05.22 | abrotman | Guerin: ask toresbe |
| 14:05.26 | overnout | why are still using them ? |
| 14:05.30 | Guerin | !abrotman++ |
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| 14:05.33 | Guerin | awesome |
| 14:05.40 | abrotman | overnout: CDs ? |
| 14:05.55 | abrotman | overnout: or floppies ? |
| 14:06.01 | Guerin | and with that, i shall to bed |
| 14:06.03 | overnout | ohhh |
| 14:06.03 | beardy | Or printed? |
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| 14:06.15 | beardy | in binary? |
| 14:06.31 | abrotman | paging mr goldberg .. paging mr goldberg |
| 14:06.34 | overnout | 30 minutes to load 56kb |
| 14:06.36 | F | ola |
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| 14:07.44 | F | ola |
| 14:07.50 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:07.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:07.54 | abrotman | !pt |
| 14:07.54 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 14:07.55 | abrotman | sorry |
| 14:08.06 | ljj | fills |
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| 14:08.29 | rohal | > /mnt/debinst http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 14:08.29 | rohal | I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release....whts the problem here? |
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| 14:11.26 | Ryushin | Well, time to try out the new xserver. Be back in a bit, or not. :) |
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| 14:12.27 | Fabio-PROINFO | ola |
| 14:12.34 | Dasnipa` | hey hows does one change the default web browser? |
| 14:12.50 | Fabio-PROINFO | o q? |
| 14:13.21 | overnout | update-alternatives |
| 14:13.22 | bbrazil | !br |
| 14:13.22 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 14:13.40 | rohal | i tried all the combination but still it says .....Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release... |
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| 14:14.22 | beardy | !www-browser |
| 14:14.22 | dpkg | To choose/change the default browser (in the debian alternatives system), run (as root) 'update-alternatives --config www-browser' Also ask me about "update-alternatives" and "alternatives". |
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| 14:16.20 | Dasnipa` | !update-alternatives |
| 14:16.20 | dpkg | i guess update-alternatives is a program to run from the command line?, or a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the debian alternatives system |
| 14:16.49 | Dasnipa` | update-alternatives is your mother ;) |
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| 14:17.10 | beardy | Dasnipa`: You can /msg dpkg update-alternatives |
| 14:17.19 | Ryushin | And it works. I paste all the time and click two mouse buttons was a pain. La de dah. It made my day. |
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| 14:17.36 | marieannick | hi |
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| 14:18.34 | marieannick | I have just try to install a printer lexmark z12, I have cupsys, cupsys-client and the driver lxm3200-tweaked but when I send a file, I have nothing |
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| 14:19.19 | Dasnipa` | hrm the command gives the result that it only found one browser so nothing to configure except clearly there is no less than 3 on my system |
| 14:19.49 | beardy | Dasnipa`: Which 3? |
| 14:20.42 | Dasnipa` | epiphany, mozilla, |
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| 14:21.08 | Dasnipa` | and mozilla-firefox |
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| 14:22.01 | beardy | Dasnipa`: Which one is found? |
| 14:22.14 | Dasnipa` | w3m |
| 14:22.27 | Dasnipa` | There is only 1 program which provides www-browser |
| 14:22.27 | Dasnipa` | (/usr/bin/w3m) |
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| 14:26.19 | FliesLikeABrick | in the init scripts folders, what are the KNNscriptname links for? |
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| 14:26.36 | FliesLikeABrick | do those get called with the 'stop' argument or something? |
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| 14:26.47 | nkuttler | FliesLikeABrick: man update-rc.d should explain that |
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| 14:27.42 | FliesLikeABrick | nkuttler i have read it, i just need a simple yes or no |
| 14:28.33 | beardy | FliesLikeABrick: Why do you need that if you have read it? |
| 14:28.51 | FliesLikeABrick | beardy it doesn't say anything about the links starting with K |
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| 14:29.03 | FliesLikeABrick | it just speaks about what the command does |
| 14:29.07 | marieannick | no boddy can help me ? |
| 14:29.44 | stew | FliesLikeABrick: yes, those scripts get called with stop |
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| 14:30.01 | lucaswagener_ | oi ade você é homem ou mulher |
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| 14:30.08 | beardy | Filbert: search for "[SK]" |
| 14:30.10 | stew | !br |
| 14:30.10 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:30.15 | FliesLikeABrick | so if i remove all links from the rc folders that start with K, then that script will not get called with 'stop' ? |
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| 14:30.19 | beardy | FliesLikeABrick: search for "[SK]" |
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| 14:30.30 | borco | hi |
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| 14:30.53 | stew | FliesLikeABrick: yes |
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| 14:31.09 | lucaswagener_ | adi você é lida gata ou linda |
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| 14:31.12 | FliesLikeABrick | thank you stew |
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| 14:31.30 | FliesLikeABrick | beardy there is one instance of [SK] in the manpage for update-rc.d and it does nothing to explain what K is for |
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| 14:31.50 | mentorofAustria | I am using a stock Debian 2.6.12 Linux on a laptop. Using hibernate, the machine goes into sleep mode correctly, and the magic bios sleep light flashes. Unfortunately, pressing the power key does not wake the machine up, nor does any other combination of which I can think. How can I make it wake up? |
| 14:31.56 | FliesLikeABrick | sorry, two instances beardy. but neither explain |
| 14:31.57 | FliesLikeABrick | When run with either the defaults, start, or stop options, update-rc.d |
| 14:31.57 | FliesLikeABrick | makes links /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]NNname pointing to the script |
| 14:31.57 | FliesLikeABrick | /etc/init.d/name, |
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| 14:32.02 | borco | any idea why udev does not creates entries for a mobile disk that connects using USB? The disk is listed as /sys/block/sda, but there is no entry for it created in /dev. |
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| 14:32.09 | FliesLikeABrick | crap didn't mean to paste whatever i just pasted |
| 14:32.59 | lucaswagener_ | vghjhtugfjgfhhgflkhjjjhghkghjgkyfkfjkigifotrugjitjr |
| 14:33.39 | stew | borco: afaik debian doesn't ship udev rules for usb disks, you need to add them to /etc/udev/rules.d/local.rules ; read /usr/share/doc/udev/* |
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| 14:36.31 | jonaskoelker | Question: I'm having problems importing (python2.4-)psyco, yet there are no bugs filed against it--does anyone know anything about this? |
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| 14:36.39 | stew | jonaskoelker: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:36.46 | stew | jonaskoelker: oh, wait, nm |
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| 14:36.58 | stew | jonaskoelker: if there are no bugs, file one yourself, /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 14:37.32 | jonaskoelker | stew: I figured that much out on my own :P |
| 14:37.50 | jonaskoelker | the reason I'm asking here is to find out whether or not it's *actually a bug* |
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| 14:38.06 | stew | you need to tell us whats happening then |
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| 14:38.20 | jonaskoelker | ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/psyco/_psyco.so: undefined symbol: PyFPE_jbuf (check that the compiled extension '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/psyco/_psyco.so' is for the correct Python version; this is Python 2.4.2) |
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| 14:38.27 | jonaskoelker | (on python2.4 -c 'import psyco') |
| 14:39.02 | jonaskoelker | so--how do I check if the compiled extension is for the right python version? |
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| 14:39.27 | borco | stew, thanx. i'll try it. |
| 14:39.37 | nvz | I think theres a pretty good chance that toast I ate might have been ready to grow mold |
| 14:39.41 | snail | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AStrap-on_dildo&diff=25737364&oldid=25453883 |
| 14:39.47 | snail | oops, wrong channel |
| 14:39.54 | jonaskoelker | snail: ^_^ |
| 14:40.01 | jonaskoelker | snail: you don't say... :P |
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| 14:40.31 | stew | jonaskoelker: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:40.34 | snail | jonaskoelker: wikipedia just walked into a firefight by featuring "Strap-on_dildo" on their front page |
| 14:40.47 | jonaskoelker | stew: testing |
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| 14:41.04 | cockslap | /dev/hdg1 229G 2.2G 216G 1% / |
| 14:41.04 | cockslap | /chome 485M 46M 415M 10% /home |
| 14:41.05 | cockslap | /cmysql 985M 29M 906M 4% /mysql |
| 14:41.05 | cockslap | /home/private/logs 485M 46M 415M 10% /var/log |
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| 14:41.11 | elirips | hello. i would like to set up xfree86 4.3 that my external monitor is "lefof" my lcd, running at a resolution of 1280x.. and my lcd at a resolution of 1400x.. anyone got me a nice keyword i can google for? until now i had no success with searching. |
| 14:41.17 | cockslap | can i mount dev/hdg1/ in /mysql/tmp as well? |
| 14:41.22 | cockslap | so /mysql/tmp uses that space? |
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| 14:41.56 | fatal__ | cockslap: look for "bind" in the mount manual. |
| 14:42.05 | cockslap | is that a yes? |
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| 14:43.41 | Sotar | Hi, a little problem: by configuring onboard sound card in a compaq machine wich alsa installs es1688 driver for, I get a message: "open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory" after trying to play a midi. Any advice? |
| 14:44.39 | kl[undernet] | group audio |
| 14:45.05 | kl[undernet] | Sotar, your user does have audio group |
| 14:45.07 | pipeline | Sotar: Check whether you have MIDI drivers loaded -- "lsmod" |
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| 14:46.16 | Sotar | pipeline: could be that I haven't there's nothing that lokks like it could be a midi thingy |
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| 14:46.59 | abc123 | Anyone know off hand how I can disable mail to root, with cronjobs? |
| 14:47.24 | jonaskoelker | abc123: "apt-get remove crond" :P |
| 14:47.30 | jonaskoelker | (sorry, just teasing) |
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| 14:47.42 | abc123 | ::shakes his head:: |
| 14:47.54 | fireba11 | abc123 why with cronjobs ?? |
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| 14:48.04 | abc123 | Ahh because I need to? |
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| 14:48.09 | stew | jonaskoelker: if you are running purely testing and not mixing it with anything it sounds like its definately a bug, i'd file a report |
| 14:48.18 | abc123 | I do not want the output sent to anyone. |
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| 14:48.32 | stew | abc123: pipe the output and stderr from the scripts to /dev/null |
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| 14:48.49 | jonaskoelker | stew: well, I have held back a few packages... |
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| 14:49.13 | kl[undernet] | Sotar, i'm sure if you user have audio group you can play music |
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| 14:49.33 | stew | jonaskoelker: held back from stable? |
| 14:49.36 | widrone | abrotman: |
| 14:49.40 | stew | jonaskoelker: which? why are they held back? |
| 14:49.41 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:49.57 | abrotman | widrone: ? |
| 14:49.59 | abc123 | so: blah.sh 3>&1 /dev/null - and im good? |
| 14:50.04 | abc123 | grr |
| 14:50.12 | abc123 | 2>&1 rather |
| 14:50.19 | jonaskoelker | libxine1, lilo, fuse-utils, bash (pinned in /etc/apt/preferences); all would open grave bugs |
| 14:50.20 | widrone | abrotman: Sorry, tabcompletion fired one off. Im on a mini keyboard klunking... =/ |
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| 14:50.32 | jonaskoelker | stew: but I don't think they'd interfere.. |
| 14:50.33 | stew | abc123: blah.sh > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 14:50.52 | jonaskoelker | abc123 and stew: "blah.sh &> /dev/null" |
| 14:50.56 | jonaskoelker | prettier |
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| 14:51.15 | stew | jonaskoelker: unless they are python related i wouldn't think so, the only thing -psyco depends on is python2.4, i think 2.4.2 made a recent transition and possibly it hasn't been recompiled |
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| 14:51.20 | abc123 | jonaskoelker: is that just for all output? |
| 14:51.39 | jonaskoelker | abc123: '&>' == "stdout *and* stderr" |
| 14:51.49 | abc123 | ahh ok |
| 14:52.09 | stew | jonaskoelker: rebuilding the package from source yourself would probably fix the problem for you, but you should still file a bug so that it gets fixed |
| 14:52.19 | jonaskoelker | stew: right, will do |
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| 14:52.48 | jonaskoelker | btw, how do I merge stdout and stderr into one stream, then pipe it into, say, mail |
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| 14:52.58 | stew | jonaskoelker: 2>&1 | mail |
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| 14:53.03 | jonaskoelker | duh.. |
| 14:53.04 | jonaskoelker | right |
| 14:53.07 | abc123 | hahah |
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| 14:53.44 | abc123 | <jonaskoelker> abc123: '&>' == "stdout *and* stderr" |
| 14:53.45 | creature | Anyone want to offer an opinion on this? http://pastebin.com/396430 |
| 14:53.51 | abc123 | So you have short term memory? |
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| 14:54.26 | fireba11 | creature: is the drive workign fine after this ? |
| 14:54.49 | bibe | hi all. As most of you XFree86 users know, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' only shows a few video modes, and it doesn't include 1400x1050 video mode which is the native resolution for my asus notebook's display. How can I make 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' show my preferred resolution (and accordingly, vertical and horizontal refresh rates) such as those in xserver-xorg packages? |
| 14:54.49 | jonaskoelker | abc123: that pipes them into a *file*, not a stream |
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| 14:55.01 | abc123 | Ahh no it doesn't |
| 14:55.02 | creature | fireba11: My system is being laggy. |
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| 14:55.11 | creature | Stuff stops, and then comes back. |
| 14:55.19 | creature | And I've got a couple of "hda: lost interrupt." |
| 14:55.24 | fireba11 | creature: make a backup ^^ |
| 14:55.31 | creature | Already doing so. |
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| 14:55.50 | stew | creature: get a new harddrive, that one is going south |
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| 14:55.58 | abc123 | south? |
| 14:56.01 | abc123 | for the winter? |
| 14:56.01 | fireba11 | creature: okay :-) then i recommend a hardware check ... memtest, some CPU burn-in and a HD check |
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| 14:56.31 | fireba11 | abc123: south like in down the drain |
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| 14:56.53 | abc123 | the drain? |
| 14:56.54 | creature | My home directory is melting. :( |
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| 14:56.59 | creature | hdb is my home dir. |
| 14:57.03 | abc123 | how can you fit a hard drive down the drain? |
| 14:57.06 | thingfish | abc123: "going south" = going bad |
| 14:57.11 | abc123 | one of those flash drives, he has? |
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| 14:57.15 | row | chat on one machine which I just installed are very large but everythng else is fine on computer font wise, |
| 14:57.17 | fireba11 | !smite abc123 |
| 14:57.18 | row | oops |
| 14:57.24 | row | ignore that crap |
| 14:57.27 | creature | Taking a backup of this is going to take forever. :| |
| 14:57.36 | widrone | abc123: Just keep working on it, and it will fit. |
| 14:57.46 | abc123 | cool, will do |
| 14:57.51 | creature | It's now making clicking noises. |
| 14:57.53 | fireba11 | creature: probably .. how old is the last one ? :-) |
| 14:58.10 | jonaskoelker | anyways, I'm out... |
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| 14:58.15 | jonaskoelker | have fun all :) |
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| 14:58.29 | fireba11 | creature: also .. don't even think about turning that PC off untill the HD is completely out or oyur backup done :-) |
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| 14:59.00 | creature | Why? |
| 14:59.04 | thingfish | if it's started making clicking noises, it might not even make it through backing up. |
| 14:59.12 | fireba11 | creature: it will most likely never go up again |
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| 14:59.25 | creature | This really sucks. |
| 14:59.37 | thingfish | yeah, well hardware goes bad, it happens. |
| 14:59.42 | fireba11 | creature: also think about backing up the most important things manually so they get doen first |
| 14:59.44 | GNULinux | What is the benefit of 64bit processors, compared to normal ones? |
| 14:59.44 | thingfish | we've all had to deal with it. |
| 14:59.46 | creature | It should be fairly new. I've got 2HDs in here; one I bought not so long ago (< 6 months), the other's less than a year old. |
| 14:59.48 | abc123 | My drive used to make clikcing noise everytime it booted up, on my windows machine - ran a scandisk and it never i did it again. |
| 14:59.49 | abc123 | wierd |
| 15:00.07 | creature | I don't know which is which though. |
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| 15:00.39 | abc123 | just throw them both out.. |
| 15:00.49 | abc123 | or give them to salvation army.. |
| 15:01.04 | fireba11 | creature: just run the HD test tool of your HD vendor .. smart should report it already ... |
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| 15:01.15 | homecable | !secure |
| 15:01.15 | dpkg | Linux is secure, at least up to the administrator, heh. |
| 15:01.27 | abc123 | !insecure |
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| 15:01.33 | creature | Yeah, I'm hoping so. |
| 15:01.43 | abrotman | !harden |
| 15:01.43 | abc123 | hope has nothing to do with it :) |
| 15:01.43 | dpkg | harden is, like, D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 15:01.47 | homecable | any one know any good sites that help you secure things |
| 15:01.47 | abrotman | !secure debian |
| 15:01.47 | dpkg | [secure debian] at http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/host_security/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 15:01.55 | creature | Which bit of /proc do I want to get the HD's info like manufacturing date? |
| 15:02.39 | fireba11 | creature: also i had a HD making weird noises every now and then working for another 18 months .. didn't chance it becaue warranty was off already and just didn't put anything important on it anymore ;-) |
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| 15:03.44 | creature | I hate computers. |
| 15:03.49 | fireba11 | creature: also had one we thought was dead .. some time i turned it upside down while on and magically it started working .. that one is working fine for over a year now ^^ |
| 15:03.52 | abc123 | and they hate you |
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| 15:03.59 | creature | Certainly seems so. |
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| 15:04.53 | creature | If it does die, I'm going RAID. |
| 15:05.01 | creature | I'm sick and tired of losing data to this kind of pants. |
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| 15:06.52 | fireba11 | yes .. tried to searching for SATA RAID controllers already .. can get 4-port raid 5 for 120 $ |
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| 15:07.11 | abrotman | that's not real hardware raid |
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| 15:07.15 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 15:07.16 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 15:08.03 | creature | Now it's telling me "attempt to access beyond end of device". |
| 15:08.08 | fireba11 | abrotman: why should that be ? |
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| 15:08.24 | abrotman | fireba11: a four port SATA hardware raid controller is not $120 |
| 15:08.32 | abrotman | it will be fakeraid |
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| 15:08.44 | creature | And I'm getting I/O errors on my backing up. |
| 15:08.46 | rohal | how can i know wht keymap layout i am using ? |
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| 15:09.05 | sts | hello folks |
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| 15:09.15 | fireba11 | abrotman: is the 1st fakreraid 5 i've seen then ... |
| 15:09.25 | abrotman | fireba11: do your homeword |
| 15:09.27 | abrotman | homework |
| 15:09.32 | abrotman | fireba11: there are dozens |
| 15:09.48 | fireba11 | abrotman: usually they are raid 1,0,10 ... ^^ |
| 15:10.00 | sts | can anybody help me with finding out about my actual gcc version? gcc -v prints "gcc version 4.0.2 (Debian 4.0.2-2)", is this the whole version number? |
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| 15:10.01 | abrotman | fireba11: go read |
| 15:10.16 | fireba11 | abrotman: the one for 400 $ should be a real hardware one at least ^^ |
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| 15:10.21 | rohal | how can i know wht keyboard layout i am using currently? |
| 15:10.25 | abrotman | fireba11: yes .. probably for $300 |
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| 15:10.39 | creature | I'm never buying Maxtor again. |
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| 15:10.59 | creature | This is the second one of theirsI I've had die on me. |
| 15:11.06 | fireba11 | creature: we got 4 of those .. all dead, all produced on the same day .. guess it was a monday ;-) |
| 15:11.08 | thingfish | I've had real good luck with seagate hard drives. |
| 15:11.27 | abrotman | creature: i have a maxtor in a computer .. hasn't failed yet .. and it's 10+ years old :) |
| 15:11.27 | creature | But AHS, of course. :( |
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| 15:11.33 | fireba11 | abrotman: just thought about it .. can md do raid 5 ? |
| 15:11.37 | abrotman | ah .. 530MB .. who needs more |
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| 15:11.41 | abrotman | fireba11: yes .. but who cares? :) |
| 15:11.48 | homecable | how do i set this is the sshed config AllowUsers joey ref @192.168.1.2 |
| 15:11.56 | creature | My goldfish has more memory than that, abrotman. :) |
| 15:11.56 | fireba11 | abrotman: why who cares ? |
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| 15:12.07 | homecable | will @192.168.1.2 work ? |
| 15:12.09 | abrotman | fireba11: i would never trust my data to software raid |
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| 15:12.18 | rohal | how can i know wht keyboard layout i am using? |
| 15:12.21 | abrotman | creature: it is a 486 .. and it's running sarge :) |
| 15:12.30 | fireba11 | abrotman: it's for a workstation anyway :-) |
| 15:12.31 | creature | I think at the very most it's walking it. |
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| 15:12.39 | abrotman | fireba11: so? ... |
| 15:12.40 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 15:12.53 | abrotman | fireba11: if my data were that important .. i'd have a raid or backup |
| 15:12.59 | fireba11 | abrotman: can't afford hardware faid for my private PC :-/ |
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| 15:13.06 | abrotman | fireba11: yes you can |
| 15:13.14 | creature | Ah, email. Must back that up next. |
| 15:13.22 | abrotman | fireba11: RAID1 is fairly cheap to do initially .. even with hardware raid |
| 15:13.32 | abrotman | at least for two drives |
| 15:13.49 | fireba11 | abrotman: also, i DEFINETELY can't afford a backup system that can back up a couple hundred gig at home :-D |
| 15:13.58 | abrotman | fireba11: yes you can .. |
| 15:14.06 | abrotman | 200GB USB drive .. for like $100 |
| 15:14.06 | creature | Do you actually need to back up all that stuff, though? |
| 15:14.14 | fireba11 | abrotman: haha |
| 15:14.16 | creature | I've got 400Gb in this machine, but most of it I don't need. |
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| 15:14.27 | creature | I've got my music on CD, so if it does go south I can just re-rip it. |
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| 15:14.42 | abc- | only one cd, carries all your music? |
| 15:14.47 | cahoot | creature: what maxtor model? |
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| 15:14.58 | rohal | how can i know what is the layout family of my keyboard? |
| 15:15.00 | creature | No, about 250 CDs. |
| 15:15.04 | creature | You know, I buy the things? |
| 15:15.05 | abrotman | Seagate 300GB External Hard Drive $179.99 at bestbuy this week |
| 15:15.12 | fireba11 | abrotman: are there mainboards with hardware SATA raid available ? |
| 15:15.20 | creature | cahoot: No idea. If you give me a command to ask it, I'll tell you. |
| 15:15.30 | creature | Oh, it should be in dmesg, shouldn't it. |
| 15:15.32 | abrotman | fireba11: i'm sure there are .. i can't recall seeing any offhand though |
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| 15:15.43 | abrotman | creature: are you on SATA too ? |
| 15:15.48 | cahoot | creature: /proc/ide/hd*/model |
| 15:15.55 | mtnman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.13 | rohal | no one knows anything about keyboard layout? |
| 15:16.22 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 15:16.22 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 15:16.35 | creature | 6B200P0 is the one that's dying. |
| 15:17.06 | creature | Not SATA, it's just straightforward IDE. |
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| 15:17.10 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 15:17.50 | cahoot | creature: got three dead mators here - 6E..., and 6Y... |
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| 15:18.06 | creature | Hah, I've got a 6Y as my other drive. |
| 15:18.13 | creature | Reassuring. |
| 15:18.32 | jahrules_ | couldn't init display: No available video device would that mean that i chose a bad video driver? |
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| 15:19.48 | rohal | how can i know which one of these....azerty dvorak fgGIod qwerty qwertz is my keyboard layout? |
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| 15:20.05 | md5sum | rohal: start typing |
| 15:20.09 | md5sum | rohal: heh |
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| 15:20.20 | bloom | I want to flash my bios, but the bios flasher requires Windows XP. does anyone know a way around that? |
| 15:20.37 | rohal | md5sum:couldnt get it???? |
| 15:20.47 | md5sum | is that a question? |
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| 15:21.43 | smiesko | * who can help me with net in Debian |
| 15:21.49 | fireba11 | md5sum: ther is usually a boot-from-dosfloppy-and-use-then version |
| 15:21.55 | ^Duffy^ | where can I find directions on how to over-ride the "mail-transport-agent" package? (in other words, creating a fake mail-transport-agent package) |
| 15:22.01 | Ronin | smiesko: no one till you tell us the problem |
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| 15:22.23 | widrone | rohal: start upper left and look at the keys, what letters do they say. |
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| 15:22.33 | stew | ^Duffy^: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 15:22.41 | md5sum | fireba11: for what? |
| 15:22.47 | ^Duffy^ | stew: thanks |
| 15:22.54 | md5sum | I'm confused :/ |
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| 15:22.54 | md5sum | heh |
| 15:23.29 | clif4d | hi, I have problems displaying æøå (danish chars) in KDE through samba (smb:) but with the console app smbclient, everything is fine, any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 15:23.29 | stew | smiesko: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
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| 15:23.52 | fireba11 | md5sum: for bios update |
| 15:23.58 | stew | clif4d: ask #debian-kde and/or #samba |
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| 15:24.05 | rohal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:24.20 | md5sum | fireba11: oh I was responding to rohal not bloom... sorry for no nick complete ;) |
| 15:24.51 | fireba11 | ah |
| 15:25.18 | bloom | fireba11: the file I have for the flasher is an InstallShield installer for the flasher |
| 15:25.22 | Eliteforce | btw: whats the official german debian channel? |
| 15:25.28 | bloom | fireba11: (found out that much using WINE) |
| 15:25.47 | stew | !de |
| 15:25.48 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
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| 15:26.18 | zepeuga | i have an error 17 on grub. anyone can help me ? |
| 15:26.20 | Dasnipa` | what was the -reconfigure for x? dpkg-reconfigure something-xfree86 |
| 15:26.22 | homecable | how do i remove lpd |
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| 15:26.39 | cahoot | clif4d: tried using the iocharset option? man smbmount |
| 15:26.45 | fireba11 | bloom: argh .. what stupid company made that one ? |
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| 15:27.21 | smiesko | * How mus I set up /etc/networking/interfaces, when I have two networkcards? please |
| 15:27.22 | Quibus | hi all, do I need to give a user certain permissions (group membership e.g.) to burn CD's with k3b in Sarge? |
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| 15:27.39 | md5sum | smiesko: man interfaces |
| 15:28.21 | fireba11 | Quibus: yes .. there should be a user group for that |
| 15:28.24 | ryushe | Dasnipa` > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 15:28.33 | clif4d | cahoot: I'm not using smbmount, just the smb:// ioslave, and yes have iocharset specified in smb.conf |
| 15:28.37 | Quibus | fireba11: could it be 'disk'? |
| 15:28.37 | Dasnipa` | ahh thats the one ty |
| 15:28.38 | row | Does anyone know how to reduce/change xchat's font for menues etc, on my current debian install on my laptop its not liek that its nice and sharp etc? |
| 15:29.09 | fireba11 | Quibus: not sure .. could be |
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| 15:29.52 | Dasnipa` | anyone got a recommendation for video drivers in the xserver reconfigure screens? |
| 15:30.25 | md5sum | Dasnipa`: depends on the card |
| 15:30.29 | Dasnipa` | for a fairly old nvidia card (geforce3 ti200 |
| 15:30.30 | ryushe | Dasnipa` > totally depends on your hardware |
| 15:30.47 | ryushe | Dasnipa` > either use nv, or get the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com |
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| 15:31.49 | Dasnipa` | okay ill try the drivers from their site... i couldnt load up a game that i was checking out some display error |
| 15:31.56 | SimonRaven | no don't get the drivers from nvidia.com |
| 15:32.07 | SimonRaven | !tell Dasnipa` about nvidia howto |
| 15:32.12 | session | mp3 player. Not gui ? |
| 15:32.12 | meff | do not use the nvidia installer unless you want broken pkgs |
| 15:32.26 | ryushe | !tell ryushe about nvidia howto |
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| 15:32.39 | Dasnipa` | ty |
| 15:32.51 | ryushe | odd, never had anything break thanks to the nvidia drivers |
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| 15:33.06 | md5sum | session: mpg321 |
| 15:33.32 | ryushe | skylazart > I'm sorry, I'm at work at the moment. Any questions you might have you can ask in this channel. |
| 15:33.48 | meff | ryushe: whenever you upgrade X you probably will.. it overwrites pkged files (well maybe not overwrite but it moves them elsewhere and when you inst a new X it'll f up) |
| 15:33.50 | nvz | ryushe: if you for example apt-get upgrade and it pulls in a new kernel image, boom its broken, X no longer works |
| 15:33.55 | skylazart | hey all |
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| 15:34.05 | skylazart | I need to know if I have to download all cds to install debian |
| 15:34.07 | M3G4crux | hi to all |
| 15:34.14 | ryushe | luckily I never use a default from-the-sources kernel |
| 15:34.22 | fireba11 | abrotman: can you recommend a sata raid card ? |
| 15:34.39 | M3G4crux | does anyone know how to run rar command to split a file into different compressed volumes? |
| 15:34.41 | ryushe | and besides, nvidia always worked with xfree for me, and it still does with xorg for now |
| 15:34.42 | abrotman | fireba11: only i've used that was true hardware was 2410SA from adaptec |
| 15:34.53 | wm3t | skylazart: do a net-install. only one cd to burn |
| 15:34.55 | abrotman | fireba11: might need a newer kernel than sarge has .. but should be fine .. |
| 15:34.56 | nvz | ryushe: thats just one case. and this isnt about the way you do things. When in #debian do as the debians do. recommend the debian way. its safer. |
| 15:34.58 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 15:34.58 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 15:35.01 | ryushe | but if someone has any examples as to what might break, I am interested in hearing it |
| 15:35.10 | abrotman | fireba11: try the first link .. should list hardware vs software |
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| 15:35.18 | abrotman | fireba11: or rather .. real hardware vs fakeraid |
| 15:35.20 | SimonRaven | ryushe: you know what you're doing |
| 15:35.31 | ryushe | I would hope so yes ;) |
| 15:35.33 | fireba11 | abrotman: yes .. i read that .. no short table though |
| 15:35.37 | SimonRaven | hehe |
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| 15:35.58 | nvz | ryushe: anything could break you have drivers being installed outside the package system. files can be changed, overwritten..etc when done the debian way the package system takes care of updating the nvidia drivers as well when changes occur |
| 15:35.58 | abrotman | fireba11: i think most say adaptec or 3ware |
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| 15:36.39 | skylazart | wm3t: debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso? |
| 15:36.52 | abrotman | fireba11: i mean most who advocate hardware sata raid .. say 3ware or adaptec |
| 15:36.52 | ryushe | nvz, this is true ... reading that nvidia-the-debian-way howto now just to know what I'm missing ;) |
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| 15:36.59 | wm3t | skylazart: i think that is the one. |
| 15:37.13 | skylazart | wm3t okay.. thankz!! |
| 15:37.16 | session | Does ssh server work "out of the box" in sarge net install? |
| 15:37.31 | Ronin | session: sure did for me |
| 15:37.42 | SimonRaven | ryushe: newbies won't which is why i recommended Dasnipa` to follow that howto |
| 15:38.29 | ryushe | I was unaware of such a guide. In the future I'll referr people to it |
| 15:38.33 | cahoot | session: 'in to the box' also - as a matter of fact |
| 15:38.35 | abrotman | fireba11: make sense? |
| 15:38.46 | Quibus | cu later |
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| 15:39.25 | nvz | is there some way short of purging flashplugin-nonfree package to stop firefucker from loading flash on a site, or totally during a session? or even better yet, does someone know a decent site to browse music other than UBL (ArtistDirect), CDNOW (Amazon), Launch (Yahoo)? |
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| 15:40.55 | fireba11 | abrotman: still thinking if it is worth spending that much money .. :-D |
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| 15:41.11 | Trajan | hi all |
| 15:41.18 | fireba11 | abrotman: why don't you trust software RAID btw ? |
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| 15:41.31 | ryushe | just wondering, what is the current version of the nvidia drivers via the debian nvidia-glx package? |
| 15:41.34 | abrotman | fireba11: people write crappy software? :) |
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| 15:41.56 | Supaplex | what do I need to preview or print tex documents? maybe convert to ps/pdf to? |
| 15:41.57 | thingfish | ryushe: for sarge, 7174-3 |
| 15:42.00 | abrotman | fireba11: i'm used to using SCSI hardware raid .. so it's a different story |
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| 15:42.10 | [Deek] | abrotman: People write crappy on-card software too. |
| 15:42.22 | Trajan | i am trying to install the latest version of unrar for debian stable i tryied apt-get install unrar, dpkg -i package_name but nothing is running ok |
| 15:42.24 | syphox | heya.. i'm trying to mount a jfs file system with mount.. but i get the error |
| 15:42.31 | syphox | mount -t jfs /dev/loop0 /glftpd |
| 15:42.31 | syphox | mount: unknown filesystem type 'jfs' |
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| 15:42.35 | syphox | how can i mount the drive? |
| 15:42.42 | ryushe | thanks thingfish |
| 15:42.45 | thingfish | sure |
| 15:42.50 | [Deek] | use a kernel with jfs support? |
| 15:42.52 | M3G4crux | modprobe jfs? |
| 15:43.03 | syphox | FATAL: Module jfs not found. |
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| 15:43.12 | M3G4crux | find /lib -name jfs* |
| 15:43.20 | fireba11 | abrotman: we had a raid here once where one HD broke and then it snyced the wrong way .. |
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| 15:43.25 | [Deek] | M3G4crux: it'd have loaded it automatically if it were present. |
| 15:43.28 | syphox | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/fs/jfs/jfs.ko |
| 15:43.31 | johey | I'm trying to set up a NAT using webmin, but after I have installed webmin and webmin-firewall, when clicking on Networking and Linux Firewall, I get the message "Unknown IPtables save file line : *". What can I do about it? |
| 15:43.42 | cahoot | Supaplex: xdvi is one way |
| 15:43.42 | syphox | /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/fs/jfs |
| 15:43.43 | M3G4crux | l/lib/modules/2.6.13/kernel/fs/jfs |
| 15:43.44 | M3G4crux | /lib/modules/2.6.13/kernel/fs/jfs/jfs.ko |
| 15:43.44 | M3G4crux | /lib/grub/x86_64-pc/jfs_stage1_5 |
| 15:43.51 | syphox | yea |
| 15:44.01 | syphox | they are there |
| 15:44.17 | [Deek] | syphox: in the kernel you booted? |
| 15:44.35 | syphox | ah no |
| 15:44.36 | syphox | in my old kernel |
| 15:44.39 | johey | I'm using webmin 1.230 |
| 15:44.43 | M3G4crux | has anyone ever used rar to compress into different files |
| 15:44.48 | M3G4crux | I need help plz |
| 15:45.03 | meff | man rar? |
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| 15:45.31 | M3G4crux | its undocumented |
| 15:45.35 | meff | into diff files, you mean splitting? |
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| 15:45.45 | M3G4crux | yeah |
| 15:46.06 | M3G4crux | fat32 does not support files longer than 4gb, so I need to split it |
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| 15:47.21 | meff | M3G4crux: v<size>[k,b] Create volumes with size=<size>*1000 [*1024, *1] |
| 15:47.28 | meff | M3G4crux: right in rar's help |
| 15:47.35 | M3G4crux | I did it |
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| 15:47.46 | M3G4crux | I did rar v1000k |
| 15:47.55 | M3G4crux | but it does not make 1GB files |
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| 15:48.05 | meff | 1000k is a meg heh |
| 15:48.11 | M3G4crux | so far its making 2GB and going here |
| 15:48.15 | Ungy | is there a simple command to remove all of KDe from my system? |
| 15:48.22 | M3G4crux | look at the help, it says * 1000 |
| 15:48.28 | meff | eh.. |
| 15:48.43 | M3G4crux | so if u write 1000 it should do 1000 * 1000 or (1024) |
| 15:48.45 | meff | M3G4crux: if its makign 2gb files, try v500k? |
| 15:48.56 | thingfish | Ungy: apt-get remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4. |
| 15:49.25 | M3G4crux | yes I am gonna try something new |
| 15:49.34 | M3G4crux | all this crap is driving me mad |
| 15:49.38 | meff | M3G4crux: waht are you rar'ing? tar works fine |
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| 15:49.48 | thingfish | !remove kde |
| 15:49.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove kde is apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 15:49.59 | Ungy | thingfish I did an apt-get remove kdelibs and it still leaves a buncho crap on mysystem from kde |
| 15:50.05 | meff | M3G4crux: if you want a multiple volume compatible backup prog, check out 'dar' |
| 15:50.15 | rking | when i plug in my USB headset, i'm getting: "modprobe: FATAL: Error running install command for sound_slot_1" in syslog. how do i get more info about what command is failing to load? |
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| 15:50.38 | yacc | rking: Module. It says modprobe. |
| 15:50.41 | oskie | i just did an apt-get upgrade. I had to answer three times what port the mouse uses. wtf is that!? |
| 15:50.41 | M3G4crux | meff thx for the support |
| 15:50.50 | jhenn | Does sarge auto detect hardware? |
| 15:50.54 | yacc | rking: try typing modprobe sound_slot_1 |
| 15:50.57 | M3G4crux | I see what its doing |
| 15:50.57 | abrotman | [Deek]: that's true .. but less frequent |
| 15:51.03 | thingfish | Ungy: I only know how to do it the dpkg way. |
| 15:51.09 | M3G4crux | it only creates a file called v something |
| 15:51.12 | M3G4crux | tlol |
| 15:51.20 | [Deek] | abrotman: More costly though. |
| 15:51.28 | rking | yacc: "Module snd_card_1 not found" |
| 15:51.30 | meff | M3G4crux: yup.. 'dar -v -y -s 1000M -c backupdir -R srcdir' will create 1gb volumes in 'backupdir' |
| 15:51.46 | meff | err, with the prefix 'backupdir' |
| 15:51.48 | meff | sorry |
| 15:52.13 | rking | yacc: this was working at some point... my wife unplugged the headset over the weekend, and there was a reboot to add a card (i think it was while the headset was still in, but now i can't be sure) |
| 15:52.25 | meff | M3G4crux: 'dar -v -y -s 1000M -c backupprefix -R srcdir' :) |
| 15:52.26 | Ungy | thingfish, ahh ok I am just goign through /var/cache/apt/archives/ and removing every kde package I see manually |
| 15:52.39 | thingfish | Ungy: I was going to suggest something like that. |
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| 15:52.59 | abrotman | [Deek]: yay firmware upgrades |
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| 15:53.20 | Trajan | please need back up : synaptic |
| 15:53.21 | Trajan | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 15:53.21 | Trajan | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 15:53.21 | Trajan | (synaptic:29941): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 15:53.31 | abrotman | [Deek]: still .. i'd trust the guy writing firmware beofre software :) |
| 15:53.32 | cahoot | rking: what if you load snd-usb-audio? |
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| 15:54.24 | rking | cahoot: interestingly, it loads fine, but a "cat /dev/dsp1" gives the same error on sound_slot_1 |
| 15:54.28 | M3G4crux | meff |
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| 15:54.40 | M3G4crux | -R srcdir??? |
| 15:54.40 | [Deek] | abrotman: When hardware raid screws up, you've got approximately zero recoverability even if you get a firmware update that fixes the problem that boned you -- because it has already tried to reconstruct the damn thing. When linux raid screws up, it's difficult to fix, but you can usally get it done. |
| 15:54.45 | Trajanux | sorry though it was only 2 lines |
| 15:54.50 | abrotman | [Deek]: that's right ... |
| 15:55.00 | abrotman | but less common |
| 15:55.03 | cahoot | rking: snd-pcm-oss already loaded? |
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| 15:55.15 | M3G4crux | it does not work for me :( |
| 15:55.19 | meff | M3G4crux: -R points to the dir to backup.. read 'man dar' |
| 15:55.41 | meff | M3G4crux: what cmd are you using? |
| 15:55.45 | [Deek] | abrotman: Me, I'd stick with the kernel. :) |
| 15:55.49 | abrotman | slacker |
| 15:55.54 | M3G4crux | rar |
| 15:55.57 | jhenn | does ssarge autodetect/configure hardware in installg? |
| 15:56.07 | meff | M3G4crux: im talking about (D)ar |
| 15:56.15 | meff | M3G4crux: apt-get install dar |
| 15:56.20 | cockslap | /dev/hdg1 229G 2.2G 216G 1% / |
| 15:56.22 | rking | cahoot: yes, as well as snd-mixer-oss and snd-seq-oss |
| 15:56.23 | M3G4crux | dang |
| 15:56.27 | cockslap | can i mount that in /mysql/tmp as well? |
| 15:56.30 | M3G4crux | is that fully compatible with rar? |
| 15:56.41 | meff | M3G4crux: no.. what exactly are you backing up? |
| 15:56.44 | M3G4crux | so it will work with winrar ones in winbuggs |
| 15:56.49 | [Deek] | abrotman: I have a real RAID controller, and uses it as a bunch of ATA ports. :) |
| 15:57.06 | M3G4crux | a dvd image |
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| 15:57.15 | meff | M3G4crux: i dont think dar is compatible with winrar, but i'd check. |
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| 15:57.34 | M3G4crux | ok |
| 15:57.36 | abrotman | [Deek]: real raid rules! |
| 15:57.41 | [Deek] | Because I don't trust firmware. |
| 15:57.42 | cahoot | rking: got /etc/modprobe.d/sound? if you have see what corresponds to sound-card1 there |
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| 15:58.06 | meff | M3G4crux: you'll either need to find out how to get rar to work or use dar.. tar will not create volumes. |
| 15:58.09 | rking | cahoot: ahh, nope - only snd-card-0 |
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| 15:58.31 | [Deek] | I don't know ANY vendors that get their firmware perfect. :) |
| 15:58.32 | rking | cahoot: what should it alias to? snd-usb-audio? |
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| 15:58.40 | rohal | which one is the fastest mirror of debian sources....i am not close to any of them?? |
| 15:58.46 | M3G4crux | ok meff thanks |
| 15:58.50 | meff | np |
| 15:58.58 | [Deek] | And this way, I at least have a shot at getting it running again. :) |
| 15:59.06 | antgel | !tell rohal about apt-spy |
| 15:59.08 | cahoot | rking: I'd try alsaconf after plugging in the usb device |
| 15:59.34 | rohal | & can some one plz tell me wht does this np stands for.....i always kep guessing...:) |
| 15:59.50 | nvz | dpkg, np |
| 15:59.50 | dpkg | it has been said that np is "no problem", or "null pointer", or "no pants", or non-deterministically polynomial, or ¡ningún problema!, or "Now Playing", an abbreviation used by those lame mIRC/WinAmp plugins |
| 15:59.51 | cahoot | no power |
| 16:00.14 | [Deek] | P=NP |
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| 16:01.05 | rking | cahoot: weirdness - it made a popping sound on the headset while doing alsaconf, but didn't seem to find the USB virtual soundcard |
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| 16:01.31 | rohal | antgel:couldnt get what that bot was saying....atleast tell me a decent mirror...:) |
| 16:02.11 | cahoot | rking: does alsamixer find it? |
| 16:02.38 | nvz | rohal: a good mirror for one person isnt nessicarily a good mirror for another person |
| 16:02.45 | nvz | rohal: use apt-spy like he told you |
| 16:02.59 | rohal | nvz:how to use that? |
| 16:03.10 | nvz | rohal: apt-get install apt-spy |
| 16:03.12 | rking | cahoot: well, alsamixer works ok for card0, but if i do "alsamixer -c1" it gives No such device |
| 16:03.14 | nvz | RTFM |
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| 16:03.49 | cahoot | rking: i e /proc/asound/cards doesn't include the usb? |
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| 16:04.26 | rking | cahoot: right |
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| 16:06.25 | hopeti | is it possible in debian to have optimized packages for a specific processor e.g. pentium 4 or AMD K7? |
| 16:06.27 | rking | cahoot: i'm almost wondering if i should just reboot and see what happens. =\ |
| 16:06.50 | cahoot | rking: first try /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
| 16:07.05 | nvz | hopeti: sure. have fun recompiling 1000+ source packages and repackaging them for little or no benefit |
| 16:07.20 | [Deek] | hopeti: sure, build 'em yourself -- have fun. |
| 16:07.35 | [Deek] | apt-src might do it for you. |
| 16:07.51 | hopeti | come on! I don't need everything, I just wish to optimize some of them |
| 16:07.56 | nvz | hopeti: If I were you I would only concentrate on optimizing things that are slow and could benefit |
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| 16:08.11 | nvz | hopeti: the kernel being the first and foremost |
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| 16:08.31 | [Deek] | And kernel-package makes that pretty easy. |
| 16:08.34 | nvz | which is the only one officially maintained that I know of |
| 16:08.51 | hopeti | what about xserver? |
| 16:08.52 | nvz | debian kernels are already optimized for different archs |
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| 16:09.03 | [Deek] | nvz: ehh |
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| 16:09.25 | [Deek] | nvz: They also build fscking everything. |
| 16:09.33 | nvz | [Deek]: true |
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| 16:09.47 | nvz | [Deek]: almost everything anyhow. but i get the idea |
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| 16:10.32 | [Deek] | I don't neet a shitstorm of hotplug-luvvin' on boot. :) |
| 16:10.44 | SimonRaven | hopeti: you'd get hardly any benefit 'optimising' the xserver. you'd get better results get 2 and 3d accel working |
| 16:10.53 | SimonRaven | getting* |
| 16:11.07 | solaris00 | Hi everybody, I configured pptpd client and I use pon /etc/ppp/peers/vpn, I am using persist on vpn file but I want to add a route everytime it reconnect, Does somebody know? |
| 16:11.21 | rking | cahoot: interestingly, it appears to have made it into /proc/asound/devices, but alsaconf still doesnt' find it |
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| 16:11.42 | rking | cahoot: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart got it into /proc/asound/devices, i mean |
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| 16:11.58 | SimonRaven | add a pre-up or up roule in /etc/network/interfaces, or script it and drop it into /etc/network (pre-up.d or up.d) |
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| 16:12.16 | Ungy | thingfish I think i will try synaptic it has to be easier then this crap |
| 16:12.35 | thingfish | Ungy: certainly. Synaptic is a wonderful tool. |
| 16:12.36 | ArodS2000 | hello, I am trying to install the package php4-gd2 but I am having dependency issues with zendapi-20010901 . Does anyone know a repository for this package or whether it should have been installed with php4? |
| 16:12.48 | moshii | I'm trying to cross compile dialog with debians uclibc kit, but I'm getting stuck with ncurses.. anyone know how to do this? |
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| 16:13.51 | ArodS2000 | I can't seem to either find the right source or see why it isn't installing along with php4 |
| 16:14.12 | SimonRaven | ArodS2000: it is php4, just older api |
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| 16:14.54 | ArodS2000 | simonRaven - I removed php4 and reinstalled but it was not added. is there a specific package that includes zandapi |
| 16:15.45 | ArodS2000 | specific php4 package I mean |
| 16:15.46 | hopeti | other than kernel, is there anything else you would pick if you were going to optimize a few packages? |
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| 16:16.25 | solaris00 | SimonRaven: Every time that the Internet goes down and goes up, the pptpd will reconect and also will the route be added? |
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| 16:17.13 | sayonara | hola |
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| 16:17.41 | thingfish | someone should kline @213.91.235.162 |
| 16:17.41 | solaris00 | SimonRaven: by just adding to /network/interfaces or /etc/network? |
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| 16:18.05 | sayonara | im currently getting this message : "ACPI: acpi_ec_space_handler: bit_width should be 8" every few seconds on tty. does anybody know what is wrong and how i can correct it? |
| 16:18.05 | rking | cahoot: ha-haaaaa! got it! some combination of the what we did plus manually setting /etc/modutils.d/sound to alias the card to snd-usb-audio did it. |
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| 16:18.40 | PoPnow | is there any way to see what ipaddresses are connected to a lixux box? for example I want to see what Ip-address is connected to my apache |
| 16:18.46 | rking | what is supposed to be in charge of managing /etc/modutils.d/sound ? |
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| 16:19.35 | solaris00 | SimonRaven: I don't know because the interface won't be alive. |
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| 16:19.40 | Gumby | is there no ntpd package in gentoo? |
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| 16:19.59 | solaris00 | SimonRaven? |
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| 16:21.22 | SimonRaven | was AFK |
| 16:21.27 | rking | Gumby: i love you and all, but this is a mystifyingly incorrectly forum to ask that question. |
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| 16:21.36 | rking | s/incorrectly/incorrect |
| 16:21.49 | Gumby | lol |
| 16:22.00 | solaris00 | SimonRavn: Every time that the Internet goes down and goes up, the pptpd client will reconnect and also will the route be added? |
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| 16:22.01 | Gumby | uh, yeah. |
| 16:22.03 | ArodS2000 | SimonRaven - it just keeps giving me the error : php4-gd2 - depends: zendapi-20010901 but it is not installable |
| 16:22.04 | Gumby | wrong window |
| 16:22.07 | Gumby | hehe |
| 16:22.10 | rking | Gumby: oh, ok. =) |
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| 16:22.26 | rking | Gumby: you never know.. people come in here with Gentoo questions. =) |
| 16:22.30 | SimonRaven | solaris00: well it should, if you tell it to do so |
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| 16:22.58 | SimonRaven | ArodS2000: yeh, well, doing this in synaptic/dselect/aptitude will help a lot |
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| 16:23.05 | session | Right now I'm playing music of my linux server using ssh and mpg124 from windows. Are ther any other more "graphic" ways to do this? Other programs etc. ? |
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| 16:23.14 | SimonRaven | GTG |
| 16:23.22 | asg | SimonRaven: no, GTE |
| 16:23.25 | session | SimonRaven: Was that for me ? |
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| 16:23.37 | SimonRaven | session: no |
| 16:23.42 | session | ok |
| 16:23.48 | hopeti | other than kernel, is there anything else you would pick if you were going to optimize a few packages? |
| 16:24.02 | SimonRaven | asg: ;p |
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| 16:24.12 | asg | hopeti: there is an optimized libc6 for 686 in debian already |
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| 16:24.22 | asg | SimonRaven: :) |
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| 16:24.33 | Bushito | any one know a program of MSN protocol that supports web cam?? |
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| 16:25.18 | solaris00 | SimonRaven: :) I will try it. |
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| 16:28.46 | serenity_ | !tell NOS3 about root |
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| 16:30.18 | Alone | hi |
| 16:30.37 | Alone | im having trouble installing programs |
| 16:30.40 | Alone | any hints? |
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| 16:31.03 | asg | Alone: more information would be helpful. |
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| 16:31.05 | widrone | Alone: Yes, are you root? |
| 16:31.08 | thorie_ | how do i block an IP address from connecting to my box on any port? |
| 16:31.23 | Lee__ | iptables |
| 16:31.27 | thorie_ | k thx |
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| 16:31.45 | dimir | thorie_: the easier way is tcp-wrappers. |
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| 16:31.55 | CosmoDad | anyone know whether there is native CAN-Bus support in 2.4 and/or 2.6? |
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| 16:31.57 | homecable | do i need to secure my box if i run httpd and php secured ? |
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| 16:32.10 | Alone | im go root when i try but for instance with limewire i extract it and like it says and nothing |
| 16:32.17 | Lee__ | homecable, sure, why not secure it? |
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| 16:32.52 | homecable | kinda a noob at scuring :P |
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| 16:33.04 | dimir | Alone: how are you installing it? |
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| 16:33.12 | novice | hello guys... |
| 16:33.14 | asg | homecable: then get the harden-doc package and read the Securing Debian howto |
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| 16:33.51 | Alone | i really dont have any idea what do do ive jus follwed instructions ive found on sites |
| 16:33.55 | widrone | Alone: Source? Read the README and maybe install file included... Or do ./configure ; make |
| 16:33.55 | Alone | i only manged to get alien working |
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| 16:34.08 | Alone | i do ./configure with the dot? |
| 16:35.07 | dimir | yes. |
| 16:35.13 | Phroziac | I had a hard drive with an imminent failure. I backed up my /etc and re-installed Debian onto a new hard drive, fresh install (sarge from CD). I copied my old /etc over (worked fine before). Now i can't apt off cd or start X. (errors coming next) |
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| 16:35.41 | Phroziac | "hdc: unsupported command in request queue (0)" |
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| 16:36.09 | widrone-away | Alone: You need to read up on the included files, and this is a debian spesific channel. (Not really for help installing from source, try "apt-get programname") |
| 16:36.15 | Trajan | Phroziac, why don't u used mondoarchive to back up whole hd ? maybe u cannot |
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| 16:36.34 | Phroziac | Trajan: because my file system was screwed up because of hard drive problems. |
| 16:36.40 | Alone | im using debian |
| 16:36.42 | Ungy | how do I check to see if my audio is working it is i810_audio is it modprobe? |
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| 16:36.51 | Alone | and from what ive read they all install differntly |
| 16:36.58 | Alone | i may have misinterpreted |
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| 16:37.03 | Phroziac | Trajan: and i'd rather just reinstall from scratch |
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| 16:37.25 | creature | Hah, I've got a failing HD too. |
| 16:37.30 | solaris00 | SimonRaven: How can I add rules to interfaces? |
| 16:37.31 | creature | I feel your pain. |
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| 16:37.43 | nkuttler | Ungy: yeah, modprobe your module |
| 16:37.45 | Phroziac | So, how can i make apt-get work again? |
| 16:38.07 | Ungy | nkuttler, am I expecting an output? |
| 16:38.17 | nkuttler | Ungy: only if it fails |
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| 16:38.35 | nkuttler | Ungy: well, i'm not 100% sure about that module, but no output is a good sign usually |
| 16:38.42 | Ungy | nkuttler hmm my xmms keeps erroring |
| 16:38.47 | solaris00 | SimonRaven? |
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| 16:38.55 | nkuttler | Ungy: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 16:39.49 | Ungy | nkuttler, cat: write error: No space left on device |
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| 16:40.01 | nkuttler | Ungy: uh, oh, stop |
| 16:40.03 | jerome | bonjour, I'm trying to modify libsane's rules to make udev to create dev for my scanner using the "foo" group. Nothing fancy here, just editing /etc/udev/libsane.rules, :%s/GROUP="scanner"/GROUP="foo"/g, reload udevd eventually and then plug the scanner. However, for some reason, the created device remains root:scanner property. Any idea ? |
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| 16:40.11 | nkuttler | Ungy: ls -l /dev/dsp ? |
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| 16:40.40 | quiet | new wallpaper if anyone is interested... i tagged it.. but it's still cool.. modified the original which can be found on kde-look: http://unixpunx.no-ip.org/~quiet/debian.png |
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| 16:40.54 | Ungy | nkuttler, "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10399744 2005-10-17 12:39 /dev/dsp" |
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| 16:41.29 | nkuttler | Ungy: rm -f it. /msg dpkg faq and read the audio section. |
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| 16:41.45 | Ungy | nkuttler, thanks |
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| 16:42.45 | jerome | hum |
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| 16:46.16 | Lee__ | would someone have a tip for getting a 1024x768 fb console on a Dell 1150 laptop? When I pass vga=773 to the kernel it says the selected mode is not supported. |
| 16:46.32 | quiet | that's weird |
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| 16:46.39 | CosmoDad | question concerning kernel image versioning: when will the -x in kernel-image-2.6.8-x-386 be increased, and when will the same happen to -y in the version field of a kernel: 2.6.8-y? |
| 16:46.45 | quiet | is it native 1024x768 Lee__ |
| 16:46.47 | quiet | ? |
| 16:47.11 | Lee__ | quiet, I don't know. Once X starts I get that res. |
| 16:47.22 | quiet | okay. |
| 16:47.29 | quiet | can you paste the kernelparameters line? |
| 16:47.39 | quiet | from grub menu.lst |
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| 16:47.53 | takatumi | Lee__: try 791 |
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| 16:48.03 | linuxero | hi |
| 16:48.03 | Lee__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.06 | nkuttler | CosmoDad: in stable they get increased for security fixes afaik |
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| 16:48.21 | quiet | this is a custom kernel? |
| 16:48.35 | Lee__ | it's 2.6.13 built from sarge's config |
| 16:48.48 | Lee__ | but the same thing happens with sarge's kernel |
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| 16:48.59 | quiet | try 791 then as takatumi suggested |
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| 16:49.13 | Lee__ | okay. will do. thanks. |
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| 16:50.10 | vedran_ | hi, how to speedup hotplug during boot? |
| 16:50.37 | StevenR | vedran_: background the hotplug process works for me |
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| 16:51.02 | vedran_ | StevenR, where exactly do you background it? |
| 16:51.13 | vedran_ | StevenR, in /etc/init.d/hotplug? |
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| 16:51.18 | StevenR | vedran_: somewhere is the hotplug startup script |
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| 16:52.28 | Ungy | nkuttler thanks I switched from oss to alsa and now I have sound again |
| 16:52.38 | keko_ | cool =) |
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| 16:53.45 | vedran_ | StevenR, have you found it? |
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| 16:54.30 | StevenR | vedran_: grep is doing its thing |
| 16:54.57 | vedran_ | StevenR, uh, ok :) i'm trying to find a suitable place in the meantime |
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| 16:56.30 | Lee__ | quiet, guess what the problem was? |
| 16:57.01 | quiet | huh? |
| 16:57.07 | Lee__ | this laptop has a little crt/lcd switch. when I passed the vga= argument, it switched to vga. I pressed the button and the boot process was back on the LCD. |
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| 16:57.33 | quiet | wierd |
| 16:57.36 | quiet | all working though? |
| 16:57.44 | Lee__ | undocumented "feature". Yup, all working. |
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| 16:57.58 | quiet | good :) btw.. 791 is a higher resolution of 1024x768... it's what i use |
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| 16:58.22 | takatumi | quiet: try 792 |
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| 16:59.07 | quiet | takatumi, what is 792? |
| 16:59.33 | jerome | the same resolution with a different color depth maybe |
| 16:59.41 | takatumi | quiet: http://gpoppy.org/fbmatrix |
| 16:59.56 | quiet | ahh.. nice. |
| 16:59.58 | quiet | thanks takatumi |
| 17:00.03 | quiet | i thoguth 791 was 24-bit |
| 17:00.10 | jerome | dunno |
| 17:00.18 | jerome | check framebuffer.txt |
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| 17:00.30 | jerome | in your kernel sources |
| 17:00.35 | albo | anyone use a 3ware raid controller with debian |
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| 17:00.50 | alexey | hi all! |
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| 17:01.02 | alexey | In what version of Debian apt-get was first included? 3.0 ? |
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| 17:01.35 | asg | alexey: the changelog shows the initial release as 31 Mar 1998 |
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| 17:01.57 | abrotman | !release history |
| 17:01.57 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 17:01.58 | FrustratedAdmin | anyone have experience with powerpc debian on old world mac's?? |
| 17:02.03 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 17:02.03 | dpkg | ppc is, like, short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc, or not going to be used by Apple much longer |
| 17:02.06 | alexey | So it was in Debian 2.0 "hamm"? |
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| 17:02.15 | abrotman | alexey: perhaps roughly |
| 17:02.27 | StevenR | vedran_: sorry, can't seem to find it :S |
| 17:02.39 | serenity_ | obstfliege: do you now about X? it kills you and the flies - |
| 17:02.54 | alexey | ok, but aptitude front-end seems to be much newer. It is first released in Sarge right? |
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| 17:03.50 | obstfliege | serenity_: lol |
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| 17:04.01 | mwilson | alexey: Hardly. |
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| 17:04.20 | vedran_ | StevenR, thanks anywaym,i think i found a more elegant solution for myself, i've put HOTPLUG_RC_pci=no in /etc/default/hotplug |
| 17:04.24 | simon_ | does anyone know what can cause bind not to be able to resolve it's local ips? |
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| 17:04.48 | mwilson | simon_: What does that even mean? |
| 17:04.53 | si|vercat | I'm having problems with ATI Rage Fury 128 and running X on TV.. I want to play videos and stuff |
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| 17:05.11 | abrotman | and stuff? |
| 17:05.18 | abrotman | ii think it's the stuff causing the problems |
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| 17:06.21 | simon_ | mwilson it means that i just switched networks, and when i do an nslookup (resolv.conf points to the local machine bind is on) for our ips it fails. but when i try to nslookup our fqdm it resolves to our ip |
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| 17:06.53 | mwilson | "our ips"? |
| 17:07.12 | mwilson | Did you bother to configure reverse lookup? |
| 17:07.14 | simon_ | mwilson: multiple ips bound to one iface |
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| 17:08.32 | simon_ | mwilson: yah we have a machine for the network that does all the ptr stuff |
| 17:09.02 | mwilson | simon_: I asked you if you had configured reverse lookup. |
| 17:09.18 | mwilson | simon_: Apparently you don't even know what that means. |
| 17:10.02 | abrotman | #dns ? |
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| 17:10.46 | simon_ | mwilson: are you familiar with what a ptr entry is in a bind zone file? |
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| 17:11.24 | jorge_bla | hi |
| 17:11.34 | jorge_bla | just a question , i need that all trafic from some device. like for example eth2 looks to same routing table via ip rule , and then setting different default gw, just is this right |
| 17:11.39 | jorge_bla | /usr/sbin/ip rule add dev eth2 lookup 15 |
| 17:11.45 | jorge_bla | usr/sbin/ip route add default via 82.113.35.70/28 table 15 |
| 17:12.23 | si|vercat | I'm having problems with ATI Rage Fury 128 and running X on TV.. the console displays ok on the TV but not X |
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| 17:12.57 | usn_router | good evening |
| 17:13.10 | Ungy | if I have a 3rd party package that and I want to change the dependencies on the package how woudl I go about doing that |
| 17:13.23 | dave | silvercat: desk or laptop? |
| 17:13.35 | si|vercat | dave, desktop |
| 17:13.39 | elirips_ | hello people. i need to install some additional packages on my parents computer (debian sarge), but they only have a dial-up-connectionn to the internet. can i write down what packages aptitude wants to upgrade and install new, and then download them at my place, burn them on a cd, and copy them to some place on my parents system? if yes, where do i have to copy them to? |
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| 17:13.48 | dave | silvercat: dunno |
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| 17:14.01 | valdyn | elirips_: apt-cache show apt-zip |
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| 17:14.27 | simon_ | mwilson: reverse lookups are handled by ip zone files in bind where the ips for a given subnet are reversed via ptr entries. another box handles the network zone we are on for all ptr mappings. our dns server only handles the fqdn zones. |
| 17:14.32 | Ungy | elirips_, and packages are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 17:14.49 | simon_ | mwilson thanks anyways though. |
| 17:14.51 | mwilson | I think he believes that. |
| 17:14.58 | elirips_ | valdyn: thanks, i'll have a look at it. |
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| 17:15.25 | albo | are there issues with opteron and debian? |
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| 17:15.47 | valdyn | albo: is there any software at all w/o issues? |
| 17:15.53 | mwilson | What sort of "issues"? |
| 17:15.53 | Ungy | how do I modify the dependencies on a .deb? |
| 17:16.00 | mwilson | Ungy: You don't, of course. |
| 17:16.07 | albo | big issues |
| 17:16.14 | Ungy | mwilson, don't or can't |
| 17:16.22 | zinx | Ungy: Don't. |
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| 17:16.26 | novice | amd finished? |
| 17:16.28 | mwilson | Ungy: Both. |
| 17:16.45 | valdyn | albo: debian/i386 runs fine on opterons, debian/amd64 runs fine on opterons too |
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| 17:16.52 | zinx | Ungy: There's no reason to |
| 17:16.52 | abrotman | Ungy: they are dependencies for a reason :) |
| 17:17.01 | zinx | Ungy: even if you think there is one :P |
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| 17:17.33 | Ungy | abrotman, well it is a 3rd party deb and I have a newer version of qt and it works fine on this version of qt that I have |
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| 17:18.05 | mwilson | Ungy: Then get whoever the third party is to update his dependencies. It's certainly not Debian's problem. |
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| 17:18.28 | si|vercat | I have a few lib problems due to some corrupt files :( is there an auto-fix? if not, the errors are tied to libX11.so, libXext.so, libXft.so, which package should I reinstall? |
| 17:18.28 | abrotman | Ungy: you could force it .. |
| 17:18.29 | mwilson | I would imagine that probably he knows more about it than you, though. |
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| 17:18.46 | Ungy | abrotman, I do force it but I have to do it everytime I upgrade |
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| 17:19.03 | ambroseL | Where did the subversion documentation go? It's not in /usr/share/doc/subversion/book any more and apt-file search subversion/book/book.html and apt-cache search svn-doc and apt-cache search subversion-doc turn up nothing |
| 17:19.09 | ogzy | hi, today i tried to install debian from floppies to a pentium 586, 16 mb ram laptop |
| 17:19.15 | ogzy | it failed |
| 17:19.15 | ogzy | at the driver load tie |
| 17:19.15 | ogzy | time |
| 17:19.23 | Ungy | mwilson, well I will try to contact skype but I doubt they give a crap since amazon bought them |
| 17:19.27 | christor | please I search help to isntall vmware 5 under linux26 ( debian 3.1 |
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| 17:19.30 | ogzy | according to the debian explanation it needs at least 32 mb (slackware says 20 mb fro debian :)) to install |
| 17:19.38 | HappyChappy | where do files download to with irssi? |
| 17:19.39 | christor | I have a prob with the vmmon |
| 17:19.45 | abrotman | ogzy: use woody .. then upgrade |
| 17:19.48 | valdyn | Ungy: alien --to-tgz file.deb ; alien -to-deb file.tar.gz |
| 17:19.52 | abrotman | Ungy: have the person fix his stuff |
| 17:19.53 | valdyn | Ungy: alien --to-tgz file.deb ; alien --to-deb file.tar.gz |
| 17:19.54 | mwilson | ogzy: Well, then, why do you have a problem? |
| 17:19.57 | thorie_ | do aliens exist? |
| 17:20.04 | abrotman | Ungy: he could easily make it >= instead of > |
| 17:20.06 | abrotman | errr |
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| 17:20.11 | abrotman | >= instead of = |
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| 17:20.25 | mwilson | Ungy: Let me guess... it deps on pre-transition QT, and you have post-transition QT. Right? |
| 17:20.30 | HappyChappy | where do files download to with irssi? |
| 17:20.32 | si|vercat | can I fix corrupt libs? I get I/O errors with several libs :( |
| 17:20.35 | Ungy | mwilson, you are correct |
| 17:20.50 | abrotman | Ungy: have the guy fix it |
| 17:20.51 | mwilson | Ungy: Meaning, of course, that you are clueless. |
| 17:20.56 | cahoot | Ungy: the 'dynamic binary' doesn't work for you? |
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| 17:21.23 | mwilson | Ungy: If it works, it's entirely due to luck. |
| 17:21.38 | mwilson | silvercat: I/O errors? |
| 17:21.38 | ogzy | is there a way to install it to a 16 mb ram machine? |
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| 17:21.43 | mwilson | ogzy: No. |
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| 17:22.11 | ogzy | and where can i get the information about the driver section of floppy instruction |
| 17:22.14 | si|vercat | mwilson, yeah I got a few hdd errors earlier :S |
| 17:22.17 | abrotman | !woody bf |
| 17:22.22 | abrotman | !woody floppies |
| 17:22.26 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 17:22.30 | Ungy | cahoot haven't tried it |
| 17:22.34 | abrotman | !tell ogzy about ig |
| 17:22.39 | hacim | gah, anyone know how to get openoffice to recognize a printer I have setup? |
| 17:22.48 | GoCooL | when i do an "apt-get upgrade" after "apt-get update" i get a "bus error" and it doesn't install any of the security patches |
| 17:22.57 | abrotman | !tell ogzy about bf |
| 17:22.57 | mwilson | silvercat: And you replaced the HD? |
| 17:23.07 | hacim | GoCooL: that sounds like your memory is bad |
| 17:23.21 | hacim | GoCooL: or you could have been hacked |
| 17:23.29 | ogzy | abrotman, so, is it possibel to install woody to 16 mb machine? |
| 17:23.40 | si|vercat | mwilson, the HD is almost brand new .. |
| 17:23.43 | GoCooL | hacim: any ways i can diagnose that? |
| 17:23.45 | liam | Hello, is it possible to blacklist modules when using udev? |
| 17:23.46 | abrotman | ogzy: yes .. iirc .. sarge installer requies 24 .. woody requires 12 |
| 17:24.04 | nvz | sometimes things are a royal PITA |
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| 17:24.16 | fbi | alright everyone this is a raid. place your drugs on the table, turn your backs and leave the room. |
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| 17:24.32 | ogzy | abrotman, ok so i should read the woody one, thanx |
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| 17:24.52 | abrotman | ogzy: yes |
| 17:24.59 | hacim | GoCooL: run memtest on your machine |
| 17:25.06 | fbi | abrotman: where's my sixer of yuengling |
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| 17:25.19 | abrotman | fbi: you just arrested me! .. you confiscated it! |
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| 17:25.24 | fbi | psh! |
| 17:25.29 | fbi | i stole your drugs, fool! |
| 17:25.33 | fbi | not your booze |
| 17:25.37 | brosioz | how could i log all the query with kopete ? |
| 17:25.40 | nvz | drugs are bad, mmkay |
| 17:25.47 | ogzy | abrotman, it is really fantastic to deal with an old laptop |
| 17:25.56 | hacim | GoCooL: apt-get install memtest86+ and then update your boot loader to run it, reboot and run it for a few hours |
| 17:26.07 | nvz | I need to goto sleep I am cranky |
| 17:26.16 | HappyChappy | where do files download to with irssi? like what is the save dir? |
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| 17:26.21 | groogs | if I append "> /dev/null" to cronjobs, i get leftover CRON processes running .. the normal parent "/usr/sbin/cron" has a child "/USR/SBIN/CRON" in D state, and it has a child "/USR/SBIN/CRON" in Ss state. these child processes seem to be running crontab at the same time as the parent, so every task is executed twice (and more often, as more children get started). this is on debian sarge |
| 17:26.23 | groogs | any idea why this would happen or how to fix it? |
| 17:26.26 | nvz | nothing I am trying to do is working |
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| 17:26.28 | HappyChappy | man irssi doesn't show it |
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| 17:27.27 | liam | Bleh |
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| 17:27.35 | GoCooL | hacim: perfect, that's exactly what i was looking for, i knew it was something like "memcheck" or something wasn't sure, :), thanks! |
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| 17:27.51 | rend | how do I get the TLD zonefiles these days? |
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| 17:28.08 | nvz | I am gonna end up buying another phone just because I cant for the life of me figure out how to get this damn pc to log incomming calls (without answering them) |
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| 17:28.18 | Geren | hi |
| 17:28.21 | Geren | is anyoen familiar with the dig command |
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| 17:28.37 | wm3t | Geren: what do you need to dig? |
| 17:28.48 | Geren | i want to find the canonical name of a host |
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| 17:29.10 | nvz | I hate the telephone |
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| 17:29.38 | wm3t | Geren: looking by IP? |
| 17:29.47 | Geren | no by hostname |
| 17:29.49 | Geren | like cs.mit.edu |
| 17:29.51 | gnomon | Are there any crazy gawk users here? I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to read from the stderr of a coprocess. |
| 17:29.53 | jason^ | so am i supposed to wrap my own kernel for debian to get anything newer than 2.6.8? |
| 17:30.03 | GoCooL | hacim: apt-get install gives me a bus error too, too bad |
| 17:30.04 | Geren | i sit under the CNAME title? |
| 17:30.07 | wm3t | Geren: type dig cs.mit.edu |
| 17:30.11 | Geren | right i did |
| 17:30.13 | HappyChappy | where do files download to with irssi? like what is the save dir? |
| 17:30.14 | Geren | and i see CNAME |
| 17:30.18 | Geren | and it says EECS.mit.edu |
| 17:30.31 | nvz | jason^: why do you need a newer kernel? |
| 17:30.31 | abrotman | jason^: no |
| 17:30.33 | hacim | GoCooL: sounds like you might need a bootCD with memtest |
| 17:30.37 | hacim | GoCooL: I think knoppix has it |
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| 17:30.47 | abrotman | jason^: but asking inflamatory questions isn't likely to get you help :) |
| 17:30.49 | jason^ | nvz: dunno, why not.. new features that are helpful to me. |
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| 17:30.59 | abrotman | jason^: like WHICH features ? |
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| 17:31.05 | nvz | jason^: sounds like B.S. to me |
| 17:31.07 | wm3t | Geren: then dig EECS.mit.edu to get the ip |
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| 17:31.32 | HappyChappy | 2.4 is an OLD outdated kernel |
| 17:31.34 | GoCooL | hacim: great! I've got the latest version of Koppix with me |
| 17:31.37 | abrotman | no it's not |
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| 17:31.48 | gnomon | Hmm... does anyone know where I could bend the ear of one or more proficient gawk coders for a minute or three? |
| 17:31.50 | nkuttler | HappyChappy: well, it's stable and reliable |
| 17:31.52 | jason^ | so where would i obtain a newer compiled kernel for debian newer than 2.6.8? |
| 17:31.52 | HappyChappy | 2.6 has better mouse support for different resolutions |
| 17:32.00 | abrotman | jason^: why do you want one? |
| 17:32.02 | HappyChappy | but it could be exploited? |
| 17:32.05 | nvz | HappyChappy: everything is outdated, time just keeps slipping into the future |
| 17:32.09 | jason^ | abrotman: why does it matter? |
| 17:32.19 | asg | !custom kernel |
| 17:32.19 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 17:32.19 | nkuttler | HappyChappy: why, because the mouse driver doesn't get updated? |
| 17:32.23 | abrotman | jason^: because you are possibly going to fuck up your box for no reason ? |
| 17:32.23 | nvz | HappyChappy: its a good thing. without time everything would just happen all at once |
| 17:32.33 | wm3t | Geren: under CNAME, it give you the A record for EECS.mit.edu |
| 17:32.38 | sumar | hi |
| 17:32.42 | abrotman | jason^: but hey .. go right ahead .. you've obviously got no good reason |
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| 17:32.47 | jason^ | exactly |
| 17:32.50 | NotHappy | hmm |
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| 17:32.55 | NotHappy | where do files download to with irssi? like what is the save dir? |
| 17:33.01 | liam | Bleh |
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| 17:33.21 | nkuttler | NotHappy: .irssi? use find or locate if not. or try to google it |
| 17:33.26 | nvz | jason^: not to mention that whatever half assed reason you have the debian developers probably already thought of you will never know because you have no purpose for bringing it up |
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| 17:33.38 | sumar | use 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 17:33.45 | nvz | !sns syndrome |
| 17:33.46 | dpkg | [sns syndrome] a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 17:34.00 | nkuttler | NotHappy: nice. i just realised you started a 2.4 troll to get attention and re-ask your question. smart move. |
| 17:34.03 | si|vercat | wtf, "cannot stat `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb': Input/output error" ?? |
| 17:34.03 | asg | sumar: 2.2 |
| 17:34.03 | abrotman | nvz: i just polish my shit instead of buying new |
| 17:34.17 | jason^ | what about udev? it complains about requiring a 2.6.12+ kernel, is this normal? |
| 17:34.28 | abrotman | wow .. you really fucked up that box didn't you ? |
| 17:34.29 | nvz | !udev |
| 17:34.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 17:34.34 | asg | si|vercat: anything in /var/log/syslog regarding your IDE drives? |
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| 17:34.48 | [sr] | hi there |
| 17:34.50 | sumar | asg, why 2.2? |
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| 17:34.52 | jason^ | as far as i know i didn't explicitly install udev |
| 17:34.54 | asg | si|vercat: otherwise, fsck that file system |
| 17:34.59 | [sr] | how can i have php5-mysqli on sid? |
| 17:35.08 | asg | sumar: because your question had not context and therefore no meaning. |
| 17:35.13 | abrotman | jason^: that's why they're called dependencies |
| 17:35.13 | [sr] | the php5-mysql isn't installed with the mysqli extension :( |
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| 17:35.20 | NotHappy | nkuttler, yes, well how about answering it ffs! |
| 17:35.30 | asg | si|vercat: and s/|/l/ or people are likely not to help you |
| 17:35.38 | NotHappy | oh |
| 17:35.41 | NotHappy | but it isn't there |
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| 17:35.49 | jason^ | abrotman: why is it installed if it needs a higher kernel version than 2.6.8 |
| 17:36.02 | abrotman | because you sohuldn't be using testing/unstable ... |
| 17:36.04 | sumar | asg: is there any reason to run 2.6, when I have no problems with 2.4? |
| 17:36.12 | asg | sumar: no |
| 17:36.15 | abrotman | jason^: you must do what it says .. apt-cache search 2.6.12 |
| 17:36.16 | Geren | wm3t, what does A record stand for? |
| 17:36.35 | nkuttler | NotHappy: how about asking on the right channel ffs? like #irssi? |
| 17:36.40 | asg | Geren: #dns |
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| 17:37.50 | wm3t | Geren: Address Record |
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| 17:38.08 | Geren | ok |
| 17:38.18 | sumar | bind9 in debian is secure, or I need to make chroot? |
| 17:38.19 | Geren | wm3t, do u know how long the machine caches the answer from my dig command |
| 17:38.20 | Geren | ? |
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| 17:38.52 | wm3t | Geren: it depends on the dns server used. some use caching others don't |
| 17:39.03 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:39.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:39.24 | nvz | abrotman: you gonna drop in a suggestion for what I should be this halloween? I was thinking of being one of them little troll dolls so I can walk around with my ass hangin out :P |
| 17:39.38 | abrotman | nvz: with green hair?!!? |
| 17:39.42 | nvz | yep |
| 17:39.50 | beardy | nvz: Haha, yeah, do that :) |
| 17:40.04 | wm3t | I was thinking about being a member of the Geek Squad. haha |
| 17:40.04 | beardy | !troll nvz |
| 17:40.12 | beardy | ;) |
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| 17:40.19 | abrotman | nvz: be the guy from uhm .. crap .. with the assless chaps |
| 17:40.21 | asg | sumar: security is a multi-layered subject. If you can chroot something, do so, even if it's secure. |
| 17:40.23 | abrotman | what movie is that |
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| 17:40.25 | FinnTux | heya |
| 17:40.27 | abrotman | with john candy |
| 17:40.30 | asg | abrotman: The Road Warrior? |
| 17:40.31 | FrustratedAdmin | anyone play with virtual-exim and courier ?? (problems getting pop3d authenticated to mysql db) |
| 17:40.31 | abrotman | and eugene levy ? |
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| 17:40.35 | FinnTux | is it possible to downgrade libc6? |
| 17:40.43 | asg | FinnTux: not easily |
| 17:40.46 | marstewel | how many swap files/partitions can you use within linux ? |
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| 17:40.48 | abrotman | asg: no ... |
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| 17:40.54 | marstewel | afaik 8 ... |
| 17:40.54 | abrotman | asg: they are security guards ... |
| 17:40.55 | beardy | marstewel: A lot. |
| 17:40.55 | FinnTux | friend of mine has sarge but somehow he has updated libc6 |
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| 17:40.55 | asg | FinnTux: better to backup critical data and reinstall |
| 17:41.00 | asg | abrotman: oh |
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| 17:41.06 | FinnTux | asg, I thought so |
| 17:41.15 | JPQuiceno | mmmmm hot pockets |
| 17:41.25 | liam | Bleh |
| 17:41.28 | marstewel | asg: 8 != a lot ;) |
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| 17:41.31 | samot | how do I save any modifications I've done to the routing with "route add" and "route del"? |
| 17:41.35 | abrotman | asg: Armed and Dangerous! |
| 17:41.36 | asg | FinnTux: it's doable but will remove much essential data. A copy of busybox statically compiled and some knowhow are required. |
| 17:41.43 | wm3t | I just love going to best buy and asking those folks about some obsure linux problem. the look on their face is classic |
| 17:41.51 | asg | marstewel: ? |
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| 17:42.03 | asg | samot: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:42.07 | JPQuiceno | lol @wm3t |
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| 17:42.14 | marstewel | was 8 correct up till 2003? ;) |
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| 17:42.18 | FinnTux | asg, yes I think I could to that if I had physical access to the box |
| 17:42.22 | beardy | marstewel: It was I that said "A lot", but you seem to know how many there can be, so why ask? |
| 17:42.22 | nvz | JPQuiceno: laziness, another side effect of hunger. |
| 17:42.25 | FinnTux | but only ssh atm |
| 17:42.25 | asg | samot: read interfaces(5) (look for the 'up' operand) |
| 17:42.38 | wm3t | i think my last question to them was about authenticating linux to Windows Active Directory without using LDAP |
| 17:42.39 | Dasnipa` | wm3t, it doesnt even have to be obscure does it? |
| 17:42.42 | asg | FinnTux: I wouldn't risk a remote downgrade, that would be touchy |
| 17:42.48 | samot | asg thanks, will ha ve a look |
| 17:42.50 | joesboxdeb | i am trying to upgrade from the 2.4.31 kernel (self compile) to a 2.6.13.4. i need to do this so that i can use synce. my question is: if i compile the 2.4.31 and then do apt-get install kernel-2.6.* will i be able to compile my own version of that kernel once i get the module stuff fixed |
| 17:42.51 | wm3t | Dasnipa probably not |
| 17:42.56 | Dasnipa` | wm3t, you ask them how to boot up a computer and their head explodes |
| 17:42.57 | asg | wm3t: use libpam-krb5 |
| 17:43.07 | FinnTux | fortunately it's not importan machine yet |
| 17:43.17 | FinnTux | important* |
| 17:43.20 | abrotman | joesboxdeb: maybe |
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| 17:43.22 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:43.25 | FinnTux | so no harm in reinstalling |
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| 17:43.44 | FinnTux | besides he could use some practise :) |
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| 17:43.50 | joesboxdeb | abrotman, do you know of a link to a 2.6.x upgrade howto for debian. |
| 17:43.59 | marstewel | hmm |
| 17:44.02 | abrotman | joesboxdeb: most people just apt-get install it |
| 17:44.12 | marstewel | 10 is default for nice? I thought it's 0... |
| 17:44.15 | beardy | joesboxdeb: There's not much to do, just apt-get install the kernel you want. |
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| 17:44.28 | joesboxdeb | abrotman, i wish to compile so that i can use the linux-wlan drivers |
| 17:44.32 | beardy | joesboxdeb: And leave your previous one as backup. |
| 17:44.38 | wm3t | asg: we know that, but they don't. I just look at them and say ok when they say huh |
| 17:44.39 | abrotman | !find wlan sarge |
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| 17:44.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'wlan' (5): (/etc/init.d/start-wlan) in misc/debian-edu-config ;; (/usr/share/pixmaps/wlan-net.png) in net/prismstumbler ;; (/usr/share/modass/packages/linux-wlan-ng) in devel/module-assistant ;; (/usr/share/games/xblast-tnt/level/snowland.xal) in games/xblast-tnt-levels ;; (/usr/share/games/pingus/levels/playable/wland-timpany.xml) in games/pingus-data. |
| 17:45.00 | asg | wm3t: *sigh* an all too common occurence |
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| 17:45.12 | abrotman | i thought wlanng or whatever was in sarge ? |
| 17:45.19 | asg | abrotman: pingus makes teh packets fly through the ether? |
| 17:45.32 | mpk23 | Anyone have luck with Optical ps2 mice in debian? I've got two that I can't get working. |
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| 17:45.43 | asg | mpk23: what kernel? |
| 17:45.45 | joesboxdeb | i didn't know that deb incorp'ed the wlan... awesome |
| 17:45.47 | mpk23 | 2.6 |
| 17:45.49 | helpme | anyone tried ubuntu/kubuntu breezy here:) |
| 17:45.54 | asg | mpk23: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 17:46.00 | asg | helpme: no, they have their own channel |
| 17:46.01 | joesboxdeb | thanks for the help |
| 17:46.06 | liam | mpk23: I'm using one now but I don't think it required any special setup.... |
| 17:46.08 | Ronin | helpme: yep theyre in #ubuntu or #kubuntu |
| 17:46.24 | helpme | i know that..i simply asked a question...... |
| 17:46.34 | asg | helpme: and we simply answered your question |
| 17:46.35 | nvz | I wouldnt mind going as the president. that would be pretty funny every time people ask me a to play a song I can just give them a shitty grin and make excuses |
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| 17:47.18 | helpme | hmm...i was just testing if anyone likes ubuntu here... |
| 17:47.33 | beardy | helpme: Don't. |
| 17:47.36 | beardy | !bad polls |
| 17:47.36 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
| 17:48.13 | marstewel | well there are polls ;) |
| 17:48.15 | asg | !bad polls is also 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian |
| 17:48.15 | mpk23 | It's worth noting that both are generic mice. #1 is a 'WiseTech', #2 is brand new, a "Micro Innoivations" |
| 17:48.21 | dpkg | asg: okay |
| 17:48.22 | fbi | screen real estate? bwah! |
| 17:48.27 | abrotman | asg: i guess |
| 17:48.33 | helpme | any indians here?? |
| 17:48.38 | marstewel | !etch |
| 17:48.38 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 17:48.39 | Ronin | helpme: no need to be trolling |
| 17:48.40 | asg | helpme: stop trolling |
| 17:48.40 | liam | mpk23: are psmouse and mousedev loaded ok? |
| 17:48.42 | fbi | helpme: go play in traffic. |
| 17:48.48 | asg | !fbi++ |
| 17:48.48 | marstewel | !release etch |
| 17:48.53 | marstewel | or whatever ;) |
| 17:48.54 | asg | marstewel: /msg the bot |
| 17:49.04 | mpk23 | Liam, how should I check? |
| 17:49.07 | marstewel | asg: I wont since I will stop right now :D |
| 17:49.20 | liam | mpk23: lsmod | grep mouse |
| 17:49.51 | marstewel | damn sort command line arguments ... |
| 17:49.53 | marstewel | ;) |
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| 17:50.47 | helpme | huh? what disastrous thing did I ask? |
| 17:50.51 | mpk23 | Both are currently loaded as I have my almost-working non-opto mouse plugged in, X errors out if I boot with the opto plugged in. |
| 17:51.01 | abrotman | helpme: this is not the channel for you |
| 17:51.08 | helpme | is that called trolling?? sorry but im new to IRC:) |
| 17:51.19 | mpk23 | Message was to the effect /dev/input/mice not found. |
| 17:51.45 | fbi | mpk23: PS/2 mouse device? if so, try /dev/psaux |
| 17:51.47 | helpme | how do i register my nick? |
| 17:51.50 | abrotman | helpme: try #linux |
| 17:51.52 | fbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.00 | helpme | :( |
| 17:52.04 | si|vercat | omg.. Segmentation fault when running apt-get :S |
| 17:52.07 | beardy | helpme: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:52.13 | abrotman | helpme: you're asking about ubuntu and kubuntu .. this is not the channel for that |
| 17:52.17 | helpme | beardy: thanks |
| 17:52.29 | si|vercat | sounds like I'm screwed |
| 17:52.32 | helpme | ok chill out..im sorry |
| 17:52.54 | liam | mpk23: I use /dev/input/mice for my ps/2 mouse. should work fine... |
| 17:53.00 | mpk23 | I changed XF86conf-4 to point at /dev/psaux, then /dev/.static/dev/mouse, neither worked. |
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| 17:53.18 | fbi | mpk23: when you say 'changed' do you mean you edited it? |
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| 17:53.47 | mpk23 | Is it the generic-ness, if I get a brandy Logitech opto, can I count on it coming to life? |
| 17:54.01 | mpk23 | Yep, I edited it. |
| 17:54.09 | fbi | mpk23: you need to fix X now, /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 17:54.19 | fbi | don't edit that file unless you know what you are doing |
| 17:54.24 | brosioz | anyone have .ace file on linux ? |
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| 17:54.40 | mpk23 | Clarify /msg? New to IRC. Is that a command line cmd, or is it for IRC? |
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| 17:54.51 | liam | mpk23: and 'protocol' set to 'ImPS/2' |
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| 17:55.05 | abrotman | mpk23: type it in your irc window |
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| 17:55.22 | liam | mpk23: its a private message, in this case to the dpkg bot. |
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| 17:55.32 | pantera | algun española por ahi |
| 17:55.49 | drk_at_home | pantera, yo no... |
| 17:55.54 | bbrazil | !es |
| 17:55.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:55.55 | drk_at_home | pantera, huHAUhUHAH |
| 17:55.56 | beardy | !es |
| 17:56.01 | mpk23 | I see. Tnx. |
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| 17:57.34 | liam | mpk23: have a look on #flood and I'll show you my XF86Config for the mouse bit.... |
| 17:57.36 | samuel | drk_at_home, i find that mildly offensive |
| 17:57.41 | mpk23 | My protocol is ImPS2, Should I one-at-a-time the available protocols until I find one that ,matches my generic opto-mouse, or is "Auto" a protocol option? |
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| 17:58.05 | mpk23 | join #flood |
| 17:58.10 | mpk23 | ooops |
| 17:58.16 | pantera | alguna española |
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| 17:58.24 | asg | !es |
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| 17:58.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:58.31 | asg | pantera: ^^^^ |
| 17:58.39 | fbi | mpk23: 1) /msg dpkg xmd5 2) during the last step, select ImPS/2 and /dev/input/mice 3) restart X |
| 17:59.07 | samuel | pantera, escribe "/join #debian-es" para entrar al cuarto de hispanohablantes |
| 17:59.09 | demism | how can I get x-org on debian? |
| 17:59.10 | samuel | mas facil |
| 17:59.17 | fbi | demism: sarge? |
| 17:59.27 | demism | yes |
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| 17:59.34 | fbi | demism: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
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| 18:00.00 | mwilson | demism: You need xorg for some reason? |
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| 18:00.04 | marstewel | Which of the following are supported by most of the Linux distributions released in the last two years... Firewire ? |
| 18:00.06 | liam | mpk23: That works a treat an a4tech optical mouse ;-) |
| 18:00.09 | demism | radeon support |
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| 18:00.39 | demism | mwilson: has xfree-86 gotten ati-radeon support? |
| 18:01.07 | liam | mpk23: *with |
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| 18:01.50 | beardy | marstewel: Is that a question? |
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| 18:02.33 | marstewel | beardy: regarding firewire support |
| 18:02.41 | marstewel | beardy: do most ones have that? |
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| 18:02.45 | marstewel | (question is as of 2003) |
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| 18:03.06 | liam | mpk23: I'm not sure what you mean by 're-hash the config', I just edit it and then restart x (via gdm) |
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| 18:03.18 | beardy | marstewel: It's in the kernel, so yes, every GNU/Linux distribution that uses a recent kernel has that. |
| 18:03.21 | demism | anyone have an ati radeon 9600? |
| 18:03.35 | Ronin | demism: mines a 9200 and it works fine on x-free |
| 18:03.40 | fbi | liam: why are you telling him to edit it when he was just told that editing it is bad? |
| 18:03.43 | marstewel | beardy: I know that part; but was it e. g. activated in woody ? |
| 18:03.45 | demism | Ronin: do you have hardware accel? |
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| 18:03.58 | beardy | marstewel: Activated? |
| 18:04.00 | abrotman | Ronin: his will not |
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| 18:04.07 | rohal | how to use apt to install packages....it says press g for install but does nothing.... |
| 18:04.07 | liam | fbi: Eh? |
| 18:04.13 | marstewel | was it possible to use such devices ? |
| 18:04.28 | fbi | liam: he was just told the correct way to fix it, stop confusing him. |
| 18:04.31 | beardy | marstewel: If you mean compiled in, or as a module in the stock kernels, probably yes. |
| 18:04.32 | marstewel | beardy: just because something is in the kernel doesnt mean its compiled in or built as module |
| 18:04.53 | mpk23 | I can edit, in fact, after my last edit, X started right up on reboot with my old, bad mouse plugged in. |
| 18:04.54 | beardy | marstewel: I know. |
| 18:04.58 | demism | if i use testing is x-org supported? |
| 18:05.11 | marstewel | hmm, i bet redhat + suse did |
| 18:05.20 | beardy | marstewel: Almost everything that can be built as amodule is built as a module. |
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| 18:05.30 | liam | fbi: Fine, I normally find the x setup scripts very confusing and just go straight into editing the config file. |
| 18:05.31 | beardy | marstewel: Ask them. |
| 18:05.35 | mpk23 | How can I restart X on cmd line? GMD sez it's already running, want to try my changes without reboot. |
| 18:05.36 | marstewel | heh |
| 18:05.37 | fbi | mpk23: it doesn't matter if you know how to edit. if you edit that file, debconf will not save the changes you make next time you reconfigure X. do what dpkg told you. |
| 18:05.46 | NoZ | hello, can someone please help me adding a virual proftpd user? |
| 18:05.50 | beardy | mpk23: /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
| 18:05.55 | mwilson | fbi: How do you figure? |
| 18:05.56 | marstewel | beardy: this is a general question - not distribution specific ;) |
| 18:05.58 | rohal | plz guide me i am a newbie....how to install gnome?? |
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| 18:06.06 | asg | rohal: /msg dpkg install gnome |
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| 18:06.12 | sumar | why debian have so old versions? |
| 18:06.15 | mpk23 | I see. Config-by-proxy. |
| 18:06.15 | mwilson | fbi: The actual behavior is the reverse. |
| 18:06.21 | beardy | marstewel: You made it specific by naming two. |
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| 18:06.27 | fbi | mwilson: he can't get his mouse working because the changes he is making are not being saved. |
| 18:06.35 | fbi | he edited his file |
| 18:06.38 | rohal | asg: i want just a basic installation not complete??? |
| 18:06.39 | abrotman | !xmd5 |
| 18:06.39 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 18:06.39 | marstewel | beardy: since those are the bigger ones besides debian |
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| 18:06.47 | mwilson | fbi: So? Then he needs to do it *correctly*. |
| 18:06.49 | ke6isf | rohal: apt-get install gnome works for most people |
| 18:06.49 | Ronin | sumar: old in what way? sarge apps are about 1 1/2 years hardly old, testing is pretty new new and sid is well bleeding its so new |
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| 18:06.51 | beardy | marstewel: You should ask if it's available in the 2.4 kerneltree, and/or the 2.6 tree. |
| 18:06.55 | NoZ | can someone please help me adding a virual proftpd user? |
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| 18:07.01 | fbi | mwilson: isn't that exactly what i just said? twice? |
| 18:07.03 | marstewel | thats a good point |
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| 18:07.15 | sumar | Ronin, yes Sarge |
| 18:07.17 | marstewel | it is in the 2.6 for sure |
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| 18:07.25 | marstewel | and AFAIK also in 2.4 |
| 18:07.27 | Ronin | sumar: its called stable for a reason |
| 18:07.32 | mwilson | fbi: Fact: if you edit your X configuration, Debian's automatic tools will no longer operate against it. They will NOT remove/replace/destroy/alter the changes you have made by hand. |
| 18:07.33 | demism | what are the repositories for the non-free and universal or whatever? |
| 18:07.38 | marstewel | but its a long time ago I compiled a 2.4 kernel... |
| 18:07.39 | mwilson | fbi: You claimed the opposite. |
| 18:07.40 | marstewel | ;) |
| 18:07.43 | fbi | mwilson: dude, read what i said |
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| 18:07.56 | asg | demism: /msg dpkg non-free ; #ubuntu |
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| 18:07.58 | beardy | marstewel: Yes, so, you answered yourself now, didn't you? :) |
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| 18:08.07 | marstewel | anyways, off for the following 280 questions ;) |
| 18:08.14 | mpk23 | Thanks Liam and fbi. I go now to try it again, once I save the good tidbits. |
| 18:08.17 | sumar | Ronin, so only debian is stable distribution? all others are unstable? |
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| 18:08.23 | liam | mpk23: no problemo :-p |
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| 18:08.40 | sumar | Ronin, I like and I use Sarge, but I just wanna know |
| 18:08.42 | Ronin | sumar: i think you need to go read www.debian.org a bit to see the differences in the releases |
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| 18:08.49 | marstewel | beardy: http://linux-testserver.de |
| 18:08.55 | rohal | how to get just the basic installation of gnome....there are many package which apt-get install gnome....is trying to install?? |
| 18:09.00 | beardy | marstewel: What is that? |
| 18:09.03 | marstewel | just if you are bored ;) |
| 18:09.11 | mwilson | Define "the basic installation of Gnome". |
| 18:09.12 | marstewel | LPIC-1 / LPIC-2 examn prep |
| 18:09.19 | marstewel | quiz engines ;) |
| 18:09.20 | liam | mpk23: best to use the tools if they are there, I guess. Anyway, if you can't save a file your editing, try editing it as root. :-) |
| 18:09.35 | asg | rohal: did you read the factoid I pointed you to? |
| 18:09.55 | beardy | marstewel: I don't speak much german. |
| 18:10.05 | marstewel | beardy: questions are in english (the bigger part) |
| 18:10.07 | rohal | asg: probably i missed your message... |
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| 18:10.23 | asg | rohal: /msg dpkg install gnome (...install gnome-core to install even less...) |
| 18:10.29 | marstewel | 280 english ones vs. 147 german ones about the same topics |
| 18:10.33 | sussudio | ircdevil: http://twiggs.org/images/763-raspberry-danish.jpg |
| 18:10.37 | marstewel | translation sucks anyways ;) |
| 18:10.58 | ke6isf | !tell rohal -about install gnome |
| 18:11.02 | goccia | sexy pie |
| 18:11.03 | marstewel | beardy: as long as you manage to signup ... the rest is easy going ;) |
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| 18:11.45 | marstewel | Which command line will mount all available file systems which are listed in /etc/fstab? <== this one should probably include the posibility of using options as "noauto" |
| 18:12.02 | asg | marstewel: mount -a |
| 18:12.03 | fbi | marstewel: mount -a |
| 18:12.08 | marstewel | I know ;) |
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| 18:12.15 | marstewel | but the question is not specific enough :D |
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| 18:12.23 | fbi | huh? |
| 18:12.42 | beardy | marstewel: Ok, thanks, but I don't think I'll do that, I'm sceptic to registration even when I understand what the site says :) |
| 18:12.47 | marstewel | fbi: mount ALL AVAILABLE |
| 18:12.56 | marstewel | it doesnt mount all availble ;) |
| 18:13.04 | marstewel | just those where you dont make use of "noauto" |
| 18:13.05 | rohal | how to remove a mirror i added through base-config? |
| 18:13.07 | marstewel | :P |
| 18:13.36 | samot | I'm a bit new to debian, but I don't understand how I can save something similar to what "route add -net 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0" does, in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:13.37 | fbi | rohal: man sources.list |
| 18:13.37 | sussudio | rohal: i bet you're not running debian. |
| 18:13.48 | liam | udev agpgart blacklisting, anyone? |
| 18:14.02 | sussudio | liam: no thanks, i'll have pie instead. |
| 18:14.05 | ke6isf | rohal: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:14.10 | rohal | sussudio:i have just installed debian...i am still inside my orther distro.... |
| 18:14.10 | marstewel | rohal: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:14.38 | rohal | ke6isf: installed the latest some 3.1 |
| 18:14.44 | ke6isf | Sarge. |
| 18:14.46 | demism | is there a way to reduce the amount of clutter in gnome? |
| 18:14.46 | beardy | rohal: A mirror for apt? apt-setup, or what fbi said. |
| 18:15.07 | beardy | demism: Run another windowmanager? |
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| 18:15.12 | asg | demism: use something less bloated? |
| 18:15.22 | asg | demism: xfce4 is similar and more lightweight |
| 18:15.24 | ke6isf | demism: By hahd. |
| 18:15.28 | ke6isf | s/hahd/hand |
| 18:15.38 | rohal | beardy: i wanted to know the path for source.list...got it now |
| 18:16.04 | marstewel | Which of the following are passwords that would pass a Crack security check? <== heh |
| 18:16.06 | beardy | rohal: 'locate filename' |
| 18:16.45 | rohal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:17.21 | beardy | rohal: Ok. |
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| 18:18.01 | liam | meh |
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| 18:18.49 | marstewel | beardy: Using the df command, you find that while you have plenty of free space on your /home file system, you have very few free inodes. What is probably the cause of this? <== such things are a common question |
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| 18:19.08 | marstewel | and no its not a question I need an answer for |
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| 18:19.11 | Cyis | anyone running the 2.6.12 kernel with nvidiafb with dual-head display? |
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| 18:19.23 | mwilson | !anyone |
| 18:19.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 18:20.02 | mwilson | marstewel: Then why ask it? |
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| 18:20.25 | Cyis | mwilson: cute... although someone who isn't using that particular equipment wouldn't be able to assist |
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| 18:20.38 | ke6isf | !ask |
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| 18:20.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 18:20.52 | mwilson | Cyis: You'd be wrong, but hey, whatever floats your boat. |
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| 18:21.15 | elephantman_is_m | hi all |
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| 18:21.29 | beardy | Cyis: Don't turn away the help you haven't been given yet. |
| 18:21.29 | Cyis | so you know how to correct the second LCD display frequency issue with an nvidiafb console? |
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| 18:21.36 | mwilson | I didn't say *I* did. |
| 18:21.38 | elephantman_is_m | Is there a special thing to do to mount samba debian share on a macosx ? |
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| 18:22.12 | mwilson | But I know perfectly well that actually using such a hardware combination at this exact moment is not a requirement of having that knowledge. |
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| 18:22.42 | mwilson | Asking your *actual* question increases the odds of you actually getting such help. |
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| 18:23.03 | quiet | hey guys... i have testing AND unstable repos in my sources.list... both from pair.com.. and I can't install a lot of things.. it says i have 16504 available packages.. but apt-get install xserver-xorg returns "Failed to fetch http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/xserver-xorg_6.8.2.dfsg.1-9_i386.deb 404 not found" |
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| 18:23.05 | mwilson | elephantman_is_m: Nothing in particular. |
| 18:23.18 | Geren | what i run dig, what do the "Addtional Section" show? |
| 18:23.20 | beardy | elephantman_is_m: There shouldn't be, macosx is using samba too right? So probably the same way as you would mount a macosx share in debian. Have you tried, what does it say? |
| 18:23.23 | asg | quiet: try using a different mirror |
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| 18:23.31 | ke6isf | Geren: Depends on what you're digging for. |
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| 18:23.37 | asg | Geren: ask #dns |
| 18:23.56 | Geren | i am digging for www.cs.mit.edu |
| 18:24.06 | Cyis | and it's that same circular thinking and dependance on the dpkg bot that makes this channel next to useless |
| 18:24.07 | manolo | hola es una prueba |
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| 18:24.13 | ke6isf | Geren: Anything in particular? |
| 18:24.15 | ke6isf | !es |
| 18:24.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:24.24 | beardy | CyzarX: No one have asked you to join. |
| 18:24.32 | beardy | fuck.. |
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| 18:24.35 | mwilson | Gods, there needs to be a blood test for cluebies, or something. |
| 18:24.37 | beardy | CyzarX: sorry |
| 18:24.57 | ke6isf | Cyis-Home: We depend on dpkg because dpkg contains answers to frequently asked questions. We don't like typing the same fscking thing over and over again. |
| 18:25.00 | asg | mwilson: we used to have one |
| 18:25.04 | Geren | ke6isf, just trying to understand what each secton means |
| 18:25.05 | ke6isf | s/-home/ |
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| 18:25.19 | Geren | i know that the authority section lists all the authoritative dns servers for MIT |
| 18:25.20 | mwilson | Cyis-Home: I presume you have no actual clue what "circular thinking" means, then. |
| 18:25.23 | Geren | that map hosts to ip's |
| 18:25.28 | Geren | but what does the addtional section list? |
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| 18:25.38 | ke6isf | Geren: The Additional section will point to information that is relevant to your actual dig. It's all recursive, see. Ask for further help in #dns. |
| 18:25.41 | asg | Geren: #dns will explain all of that to you |
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| 18:25.49 | Geren | dns is empty right now |
| 18:25.49 | Geren | lol |
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| 18:26.15 | asg | Geren: 27 people in there. Perhaps they are ignoring you |
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| 18:26.22 | Geren | perhaps |
| 18:26.28 | Geren | but genereally speaking, what does addtional section list?> |
| 18:26.30 | rend | how can I setup snmpd so that mrtg can make traffic graphs? |
| 18:26.36 | asg | Geren: you might be better off reading RFC1035 then |
| 18:26.42 | demism | what version of xfree86 is sarge using? |
| 18:26.57 | Geren | if you don't know, you can just say i don't know, it's nothing to be ashamed of |
| 18:26.58 | ke6isf | Geren: Additional information, as it suggests. For instance, 'dig chez-vrolet.net' will give the A record to my NS record. |
| 18:26.59 | fatal__ | 4.3.0+debianextras |
| 18:27.02 | mwilson | demism: A heavily-patched 4.3.x, like the documentation says. |
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| 18:27.15 | ke6isf | Hmm, must leave for work. |
| 18:27.19 | asg | Geren: I know, I just don't see how this is relevant to #debian |
| 18:27.23 | marstewel | You are configuring your Linux system. Which IRQ is normally dedicated to the second printer port on a PC? |
| 18:27.25 | marstewel | hmm |
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| 18:27.45 | marstewel | knowing such values by heart - is that really useful ? |
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| 18:27.54 | mwilson | Geren: Uh, what every response you've gotten has been is a pointer to where you can find the information you're looking for. And the best you can come up with is the lame-ass "if you don't know..." troll? |
| 18:27.57 | beardy | marstewel: Please stop throwing in questions from that quiz.. |
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| 18:28.09 | Ronin | marstewel: sharing those questiong is that really useful/necessary? |
| 18:28.24 | abrotman | and .. quite frankly .. that's BIOS dependant :) |
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| 18:28.34 | beardy | Yeah. |
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| 18:29.29 | mwilson | Hmmm OOo RC3 |
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| 18:30.20 | beardy | mwilson: what? |
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| 18:31.16 | bsims | Darn, Anne Frank fanfic; the Internet depresses me now... |
| 18:31.23 | bsims | .c |
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| 18:31.35 | mwilson | beardy: OOo RC3 |
| 18:32.27 | beardy | mwilson: Ah, didn't get what OOo was supposed to mean first.. :) |
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| 18:33.18 | pabs3 | mwilson: any changelog? |
| 18:33.26 | beardy | mwilson: Thought it was some strange smilie at first.. heh. |
| 18:33.28 | mwilson | beardy: Yeah, I have it parallel installed with Office 2003 on my laptop. The church I volunteer at, we're using it in the classrooms. |
| 18:33.38 | mwilson | pabs3: On the web site, sure. |
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| 18:34.43 | pabs3 | hmm, can't find it |
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| 18:36.06 | pabs3 | aha http://development.openoffice.org/releases/2.0.0rc3.html |
| 18:36.07 | beardy | mwilson: Ok, how does it work for you? Anything that is absolutely not working or not possible to work around, in comparison to the other one you have installed I mean? |
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| 18:37.02 | mwilson | beardy: Hm? Do you have an actual question? |
| 18:37.33 | beardy | mwilson: No, I was trying to be social/nice, but nevermind then. |
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| 18:39.06 | beardy | And I thought I'd been here long enough for people to recognize me.. |
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| 18:39.53 | mwilson | beardy: And I thought I had been too. |
| 18:40.47 | mwilson | beardy: We couldn't care less in this case whether or not OOo is FOSS or not... we opted for it because Office licenses were money we didn't have (church, remember?). |
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| 18:41.22 | beardy | mwilson: Yeah, I guess I should have thought about to whom I talked :), no offense intended. |
| 18:41.44 | meriad | does anyone know how I can take off the first half of a file name.. for example: www.google.com would change to google.com. |
| 18:41.51 | mwilson | That being said, most of the complaints I've gotten are document formatting issues related to Office fonts not being installed, not the capabilities of the suite. |
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| 18:42.27 | cosminb | meriad: you mean in C? |
| 18:42.31 | beardy | mwilson: Ok. |
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| 18:43.02 | nome | i remember using a program to verify that the checksums of installed files are still the same as the what the packages claim. do you know the name of the program? |
| 18:43.06 | mwilson | Oh, and labels. The church secretary is bent about how hard OOo makes it to generate labels. |
| 18:43.09 | meriad | cosminb- no, i mean in bash |
| 18:43.30 | cosminb | meriad: sorry, i don't know bash |
| 18:43.32 | cosminb | :) |
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| 18:44.23 | SimonRaven | !be an ooo label barbie |
| 18:44.24 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 18:44.24 | meriad | heh |
| 18:44.39 | asg | meriad: the bash faq (see #bash) will have that information |
| 18:44.48 | meriad | asg- i have |
| 18:44.52 | meriad | asg- im there now thanks =] |
| 18:45.12 | neurosys | hey all...I am trying to make a debian package that I want to "provide" libldap2, however if I just have libldap2 in the 'provide' line of the control file I still get dependency errors when I try and install it because there are a bunch of packages depending on libldap2...I thought that maybe it required a specific version number, so I put the version into the control file...now dpkg builds the package, but it errors when I install it g |
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| 18:46.16 | SimonRaven | neurosys: ldap version? i might have it built already |
| 18:46.23 | beardy | meriad: Also, /msg dpkg abs-guide, or apt-get install abs-guide, it goes in /usr/share/doc/abs-guide IIRC. |
| 18:46.28 | SimonRaven | neurosys: for ppc; i have debian diffs |
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| 18:47.02 | neurosys | 2.2.23 I need, which I got from backports, however I need it to replace & provide the libldap2 package |
| 18:47.04 | SimonRaven | neurosys: i'll be AFK soon, but go ahead and tell me, i'll read /lastlog |
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| 18:47.23 | SimonRaven | oh ok. i don't have that built, and only for etch/sid, sorry |
| 18:47.46 | neurosys | thats cool...cheers anyways |
| 18:48.02 | SimonRaven | did, but just rm'ed it earlier. i have 2.3.7, 2.3.11 |
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| 18:49.51 | geeKISSexy | Hi, Can anybody please confirm if 2.6.13-1 in experimental is working or not ? |
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| 18:50.33 | mwilson | geeKISSexy: Why would you be installing kernels from experimental? |
| 18:50.36 | Gnea | geeKISSexy: it's experimental, you should experiment |
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| 18:50.53 | beardy | geeKISSexy: The people that wants to run things from experimental, and have a valid reason, is probably not that many here. |
| 18:51.03 | beardy | or anywhere |
| 18:51.08 | Gnea | indeed |
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| 18:52.14 | geeKISSexy | Okay! I know it's my dog food. I just wanted to see if anybody else has tried it or not. |
| 18:52.16 | geeKISSexy | :-) |
| 18:53.00 | beardy | geeKISSexy: Anything in particular that is not working, and will be working in that version? |
| 18:53.02 | geeKISSexy | But I guess i've found the correct thread from debian-kernel so I'll find out the issue :-) |
| 18:53.07 | mwilson | geeKISSexy: No, you didn't. |
| 18:53.53 | geeKISSexy | beardy: For me, the kernel isn't booting. I have a LVM setup. |
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| 18:54.27 | beardy | geeKISSexy: I doubt using things from experimental will make anything better for you.. |
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| 18:55.25 | thingfish | Really. It's better to take up a hobby like handicrafts when you're bored, rather than to go fetching stuff from experimental and trashing a perfectly good box. |
| 18:55.50 | nse | hello everybody, what do people mean when they say that "you wear me out"? |
| 18:55.54 | mwilson | geeKISSexy: See? It's not just that you wanted to know if anyone else had tried it... someone had to beat out of you the information that you'd already installed it and broken it. |
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| 18:56.20 | beardy | nse: try #english, or google for that phrase ? |
| 18:56.24 | thingfish | nse: that means "you tire me". |
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| 18:56.59 | thingfish | I would think you'd find it in #idiomatic-expressions-en |
| 18:57.39 | thingfish | I guess it would have to be -en-us |
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| 18:58.23 | nse | thanks... |
| 18:58.37 | thingfish | no problem. |
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| 18:59.27 | geeKISSexy | beardy: Yes, but someone has to test also. |
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| 18:59.59 | beardy | geeKISSexy: Yes, go ahead if you want. But don't complain if things gets worse or breaks in a really bad way. |
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| 19:00.58 | geeKISSexy | beardy: Yes, I understand. I was just wanting to know if anybody has any prior information. Thanks :-) |
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| 19:02.26 | nse | hum.. I'm having problems with login.. do somebody experienced problems with it since the last upgrade? |
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| 19:02.58 | mwilson | nse: Everyone gets to guess what problem you think you're having? |
| 19:03.04 | nse | something to do with some variables... configuration error - unknown item 'QUOTAS_ENAB' (notify administrator) |
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| 19:03.28 | MikeWasHere05 | hey guys |
| 19:03.33 | nse | after login |
| 19:03.41 | MikeWasHere05 | i'm thinking of installing debian on a HP Pavilion zv5000 (laptop) |
| 19:03.54 | MikeWasHere05 | it'd be next to an existing windows partition |
| 19:04.05 | MikeWasHere05 | is there anything special about installing on a laptop? |
| 19:04.24 | beardy | MikeWasHere05: Shouldn't be no. |
| 19:04.50 | wm3t | nse: comment out the errors in /etc/login.defs |
| 19:05.14 | wm3t | make that, comment out the configs of the errors in /etc/login.defs |
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| 19:05.26 | nse | wm3t: that's what i'll do now.. wait a sec. |
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| 19:05.35 | wm3t | it worked for me |
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| 19:05.38 | Rydekull | dpkg: database |
| 19:05.38 | dpkg | i guess database is An ordered set of data. |
| 19:05.45 | wm3t | and someone else on the channel. |
| 19:05.53 | asuffield | who wrote that? that's nonsense |
| 19:05.55 | phr0zenkore | hi, i have problems with my ATI radeon 9250, i once fixed it on debian, but now i'm on ubuntu and forgot how i did that |
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| 19:06.01 | phr0zenkore | it's an AGP setting... which one was it? |
| 19:06.17 | asuffield | dpkg: no, database is a set of (key,value) tuples |
| 19:06.18 | dpkg | okay, asuffield |
| 19:06.27 | mwilson | phr0zenkore: How is anyone here supposed to know? |
| 19:06.37 | kimda | hi, i have a problem with fetchmail. suddenly its asking for a password when starting fetchmail. i am running debian etch. any ideas? |
| 19:06.47 | phr0zenkore | mwilson: my problem is the same as in debian |
| 19:06.48 | mwilson | phr0zenkore: First you want people here to guess at the problem, than at the solution? |
| 19:07.14 | phr0zenkore | no, i just forgot how i did it |
| 19:07.27 | mwilson | phr0zenkore: Oh, right, my bad... there is, after all, only one possible problem a Radeon 9250 can have under Linux, right? |
| 19:07.27 | asuffield | you want people to remember something that *you* did? |
| 19:07.45 | phr0zenkore | mwilson: there are more, but i HAD the solution |
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| 19:07.55 | asuffield | how are we supposed to know which one you had? |
| 19:08.00 | phr0zenkore | well, slow fps |
| 19:08.08 | phr0zenkore | indirect rendering |
| 19:08.09 | phr0zenkore | AGP x1 |
| 19:08.11 | AptGet | can somebody help me with a shared xp printer and samba? |
| 19:08.28 | abrotman | #samba ? |
| 19:08.39 | mwilson | Blood tests at birth. It's the only way to be sure. |
| 19:09.02 | beardy | AptGet: You need to be more specific. What do you want to do, and does not happen when you try? How do you try? and so on. |
| 19:09.30 | asuffield | send them to the foetus frightening room |
| 19:10.06 | AptGet | beardy, well i just asked if somebody knew about the subject..... obviously i would state that information |
| 19:10.09 | abrotman | phr0zenkore: ask #ubuntu or #ati |
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| 19:10.24 | phr0zenkore | abrotman: nobody in #ubuntu responds |
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| 19:10.24 | phr0zenkore | :p |
| 19:10.27 | beardy | !ask |
| 19:10.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 19:10.35 | abrotman | phr0zenkore: not our problem .. go there and wait |
| 19:10.40 | phr0zenkore | k.. |
| 19:10.44 | abrotman | phr0zenkore: you chose that distro . you get that support |
| 19:10.44 | quiet | anyone in here using splashy? |
| 19:10.53 | beardy | !anyone |
| 19:10.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:10.55 | AptGet | whats splashy |
| 19:10.59 | quiet | bootsplash |
| 19:11.04 | phr0zenkore | abrotman: ubuntu IS debian only modified, so... |
| 19:11.11 | beardy | !ubuntu |
| 19:11.11 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or | Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 19:11.12 | abrotman | phr0zenkore: it's NOT debian .. end of discussion |
| 19:11.17 | kimda | hi, i have a problem with fetchmail. suddenly its asking for a password when starting fetchmail. i am running debian etch. any ideas? |
| 19:11.18 | phr0zenkore | k.. |
| 19:11.20 | abrotman | go ask #ubuntu |
| 19:11.31 | abrotman | debian .. only modified .. |
| 19:11.45 | abrotman | i drive a bugatti .. it's just modified to look like a Jetta ... |
| 19:11.48 | Ronin | abrotman: you know, like sort of pregnant |
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| 19:11.58 | AptGet | all the assholes and pissed of nerds hang out in here ..... phr0zenkore so dont expect much |
| 19:12.11 | abrotman | AptGet: good way to get help |
| 19:12.13 | nse | wm3t: they're not commented. there are a plural of lines to each of them, some are commented some are not, do I have to uncomment every line that has any of the erros? |
| 19:12.14 | abrotman | moron |
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| 19:12.21 | serenity_ | bugatti - jetta *rofl* |
| 19:12.22 | beardy | AptGet: Your chances of getting help is decreasing drastically. |
| 19:12.22 | jades | how do i specify a "virtual" 1600x1200 resolution when only 1280x1024 is possible? |
| 19:12.31 | AptGet | i dont give a fuck |
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| 19:12.34 | jades | i mean for the XFree86 config file? |
| 19:12.34 | Ronin | hey AptGet go to #redhat and ask for mandriva help and see what happens |
| 19:12.35 | abrotman | beardy: you mean .. since he should be asking #samba anyways ? |
| 19:12.46 | thingfish | I know, that was funny of abrotman. |
| 19:12.53 | starscalling | test |
| 19:12.54 | AptGet | Ronin, im not asking help about other distros |
| 19:13.05 | thingfish | bugatti...they are making a model now that has over 1000 hp. |
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| 19:13.12 | abrotman | AptGet: but we told you where you'd probably get better help |
| 19:13.14 | elvirolo | hi all |
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| 19:13.17 | Ronin | AptGet: no but your complainiing about our not wanting to support phr0zenkore and his ubuntu problem |
| 19:13.25 | abrotman | smbprint is all i know about samba printing |
| 19:13.33 | AptGet | Ronin, umm no i wasnt |
| 19:13.36 | fakbill_moa | hi : udev repalces hotplug : What should I do with my firmwares in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmwares ?? |
| 19:13.39 | elvirolo | could anyone help me set up my printer with cups ? |
| 19:13.43 | wm3t | nse: what you need to do is add a # to comment out the lines that are giving you the error. |
| 19:13.45 | beardy | abrotman: That too, but I doubt they will like him more there, if he makes such statements there too, and some people in here probably are in #samba too. |
| 19:13.54 | abrotman | AptGet: no .. you called us "assholes and pissed of nerds" |
| 19:13.55 | phr0zenkore | hey hey i'm just trying ubuntu.. 1 day ago i had debian, i was just curious |
| 19:14.06 | Ronin | beat me to it abrotman, damn fast typers |
| 19:14.22 | nse | wm3t: oh god.. I thought I have to uncomment them... |
| 19:14.36 | wm3t | nse: you could move your login.defs to login.defs.old and move the login.defs.dpkg-old to login.defs |
| 19:14.38 | abrotman | phr0zenkore: yeah .. but still .. they use different stuff than us .. especially if you got the new one .. uhm .. breezy? whatever it is |
| 19:14.39 | AptGet | abrotman, which u are |
| 19:14.43 | abrotman | !tell AptGet about u |
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| 19:15.03 | abrotman | AptGet: and you're what ? .. a whiny little 12 year old ? |
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| 19:15.06 | elvirolo | please , |
| 19:15.08 | AptGet | abrotman, your so queer |
| 19:15.10 | phr0zenkore | abrotman: no, they are front-ends, the debian things are still there, only the frontends are there too |
| 19:15.10 | abrotman | you're |
| 19:15.12 | abrotman | idiot |
| 19:15.22 | elvirolo | what(s wrong with being queer ? |
| 19:15.27 | abrotman | phr0zenkore: wrong |
| 19:15.31 | beardy | phr0zenkore: Of course you can try whatever you want, but if it is ubuntu youare running now, #ubuntu is where you get the best help, since the people there are using it too. |
| 19:15.42 | AptGet | abrotman, what are you a 35 year old virgin living in his parents basement |
| 19:15.42 | abrotman | elvirolo: ask AptGet .. he's the one with a problem ... |
| 19:15.44 | phr0zenkore | i know. |
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| 19:16.03 | abrotman | AptGet: not quite .. i haven't lived with my parents since i was 18 .. nice try dickhead |
| 19:16.08 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 19:16.11 | elvirolo | so can anyone help me set up my printer :-D ? |
| 19:16.17 | tralala | !plonk |
| 19:16.17 | dpkg | from memory, plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 19:16.22 | Daveman | hey abrotman |
| 19:16.23 | AptGet | abrotman, but you are a virgin? |
| 19:16.26 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 19:16.26 | beardy | *plonk* |
| 19:16.30 | AptGet | abrotman, HAAA |
| 19:16.37 | fbi | :D |
| 19:16.37 | Daveman | :P |
| 19:16.39 | abrotman | fbi: you dirty old man |
| 19:16.42 | Daveman | haha |
| 19:16.44 | fbi | you know it! |
| 19:16.48 | fbi | dpkg: gender |
| 19:16.48 | dpkg | I'm sexless |
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| 19:16.51 | fbi | woowoo! |
| 19:16.52 | DMHFM | Does debian use preload? http://sourceforge.net/projects/preload |
| 19:16.58 | abrotman | what a great way to get help .. go to a channel and call everyone names .. yay |
| 19:17.05 | AptGet | elvirolo, nothing wrong with being gay i didnt mean it like that |
| 19:17.06 | abrotman | DMHFM: no |
| 19:17.08 | abrotman | wait |
| 19:17.12 | abrotman | prelink or preload ? |
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| 19:17.18 | nse | wm3t: there is no file named login.defs.dpkg-old, but there is a login.defs.dpkg-dist. that's what you mean? |
| 19:17.23 | abrotman | prelink no |
| 19:17.27 | phr0zenkore | sorry, i can only ask things here since they are ignoring me at #ubuntu |
| 19:17.29 | phr0zenkore | dunno why. |
| 19:17.35 | abrotman | phr0zenkore: i can guess why |
| 19:17.38 | wm3t | nse: yeah, dpkg-old is what I had. |
| 19:17.42 | abrotman | DMHFM: not that i've seen |
| 19:17.45 | phr0zenkore | what's the reason, then? |
| 19:17.55 | abrotman | !preload |
| 19:17.55 | nse | wm3t: ok. |
| 19:17.55 | dpkg | hmm... preload is http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/ |
| 19:17.57 | AptGet | abrotman, i have not once out of the hundreds of questions ever asked here EVER gotten any help ... just snooty remarks from people like you |
| 19:18.03 | abrotman | DMHFM: bonus ^^ |
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| 19:18.15 | abrotman | DMHFM: gone .. ignore |
| 19:18.15 | elvirolo | hello? |
| 19:18.16 | Ronin | AptGet: yet you keep coming back for more? interesting |
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| 19:18.23 | abrotman | Ronin: he's still not gone ? |
| 19:18.23 | RichiH | !find dig |
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| 19:18.37 | Ronin | abrotman: naw theyre still whining though |
| 19:18.38 | tralala | !tell ask -about |
| 19:18.49 | abrotman | i only plonked one of them |
| 19:18.58 | bbrazil | RichiH: bind9-utils |
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| 19:19.31 | bbrazil | eh, dnsutils |
| 19:19.39 | AptGet | the funny thing is that I have helped many people.... |
| 19:19.45 | abrotman | yeah .. why didn't dpkg telll him though |
| 19:19.47 | tenco | hi! iam on (k)ubuntu. how can i install a package without its dependencies? |
| 19:19.54 | abrotman | tenco: #kubuntu |
| 19:19.56 | AptGet | im even a debian dev....... |
| 19:20.02 | beardy | tenco: #kubuntu |
| 19:20.08 | DMHFM | Is debian involved with google's summer of code? like fedora is |
| 19:20.10 | tenco | yes |
| 19:20.14 | elvirolo | please |
| 19:20.16 | abrotman | tenco: /join #kubuntu |
| 19:20.18 | DMHFM | Are their bounties for certain projects that are needed? |
| 19:20.29 | tenco | theres no one who can answer my question |
| 19:20.33 | nse | wm3t: it worked. why? |
| 19:20.35 | abrotman | DMHFM: honor and distinction can be yours! |
| 19:20.42 | Ronin | tenco: not really our concern now is it |
| 19:20.42 | tralala | tenco: man dpkg. However if you do it it won't work most likely. |
| 19:20.42 | AptGet | tenco, you need the dependencies |
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| 19:21.13 | tenco | AptGet: i dont think that kile needs tetex-bin ^^ |
| 19:21.37 | wm3t | nse: when the login? package was upgraded, you were asked if you wanted to replace the login.defs. like my you said no, so it was running with an old config since it looks like some things got depreciated with PAM integration |
| 19:21.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dig' (8 of 54): (/usr/bin/digestp) in text/mp ;; (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/games/xdigger) in games/xdigger ;; (/usr/bin/digikam) in graphics/digikam ;; (/usr/bin/kdevelop-htdig) in kde/kdevelop3 ;; (/usr/bin/happydigger) in utils/happydigger ;; (/usr/bin/djvudigital) in graphics/djvulibre-bin ;; (/usr/bin/perldig) in perl/libperldoc-search-perl. |
| 19:21.58 | abrotman | RichiH: LOOK ^^ |
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| 19:23.09 | DMHFM | abrotman: huh? |
| 19:23.32 | DMHFM | So debian is involved in google's summer of code or no? |
| 19:23.33 | abrotman | DMHFM: that was to say "Not that i'm aware .. but we'll take your work anyways" :) |
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| 19:23.43 | nse | wm3t: yes i was asked about that.. I remember now. but the default option was to keep the existing file.. was not the case that the default option would be to replace with the new file in order not to get those errors? |
| 19:23.46 | abrotman | DMHFM: i'm not sure .. i've seen any .. and i thought it was over |
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| 19:24.17 | wm3t | nse: yeah, i had it backwards. someone came into the office and asked me a question mid typing |
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| 19:24.35 | bwlang | i want to use x2x to control my workstation from my laptop... is it possible to do this only executing commands on the laptop? |
| 19:24.36 | abrotman | DMHFM: i've seen that some of the stuff packaged for debian was involved .. dunno if debian developers were the ones doing the work |
| 19:24.53 | tralala | bwlang: yes, it is - man ssh |
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| 19:25.49 | rapha | Hi all! |
| 19:26.12 | rapha | I get "Can't locate object method "save_parsers_debian" via package "XML::SAX" at /usr/bin/update-perl-sax-parsers line 90." when trying to install libxml-sax-perl ... is there a way to fix this? |
| 19:26.52 | tralala | there is a pretty nasty bug in 2.6.12-1 - plugging my pcmcia nic makes linux explode |
| 19:26.55 | abrotman | rapha: have oyu checked the BTS ? |
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| 19:27.23 | tralala | and it is a 50-something days old one |
| 19:27.23 | rapha | abrotman: What's a BTS? |
| 19:27.25 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libxml-sax-perl |
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| 19:28.04 | beardy | rapha: Are you running sarge? |
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| 19:28.19 | abrotman | beardy: same version in all afaict |
| 19:28.31 | Katarnoca | hey guys |
| 19:28.35 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=libxml-sax-perl |
| 19:28.36 | Katarnoca | Anyone here a snort god? |
| 19:28.37 | N0S3_1 | http://forums.devshed.com/archive/t-99085 ----> this is my problem , how to resolve ?? |
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| 19:29.09 | beardy | abrotman: Ok, I was only arming a btssmite. |
| 19:29.56 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:29.56 | mwilson | Why would anyone here care about problems on DeadRat 9? |
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| 19:29.56 | Katarnoca | Anyone here really good with snort rules and filters? |
| 19:30.12 | N0S3_1 | i have debian sarge 3.1 |
| 19:30.15 | AptGet | not me |
| 19:30.20 | tralala | N0S3_1: a few google searches will get you to some working examples. I remember seeing (and trying) certificate generation once, but it was some time ago. |
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| 19:30.47 | mwilson | N0S3_1: Then why do you paste DeadRat 9 errors? |
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| 19:31.13 | mwilson | N0S3_1: Especially one that's just a "file not found" error? |
| 19:31.23 | N0S3_1 | mwilson , is my problem but in thebian sarge 3.1 |
| 19:31.49 | RichiH | abrotman: ta |
| 19:32.07 | abrotman | Rydekull: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 19:32.16 | abrotman | Rydekull: and don't msg me .. just ask in the channel .. |
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| 19:32.23 | abrotman | it's not a big secret |
| 19:32.31 | abrotman | RichiH: i was making aj oke .. it took like 4 minutes |
| 19:32.37 | Rydekull | abrotman: ack, sorry, it wasnt supposed to be a msg, tab made it so :/ |
| 19:32.47 | rapha | beardy: Nothing in there. Searching Google, I get a an entry in Ubuntu's bugzilla. One of their users seems to have the same prob but for the bugmaster it works so he closed it ... :-( |
| 19:33.00 | abrotman | rapha: your exact error is in the Debian BTS |
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| 19:33.23 | mwilson | abrotman: Now, now... you don't expect him to actually read that, do you? |
| 19:33.27 | abrotman | rapha: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=332440 |
| 19:33.35 | abrotman | among others |
| 19:33.43 | abrotman | mwilson: reading .. hard |
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| 19:34.40 | comfrey | so... i want to dump a package list from one debian server and load the same package list on another machine... |
| 19:34.54 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 19:34.54 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
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| 19:35.11 | comfrey | right, thanks |
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| 19:38.21 | InitMass | how do one edit what's in the gnome menu?? |
| 19:38.45 | rapha | abrotman: That doesn't help... |
| 19:38.51 | fevel | can anyone help me configure the tv-out on sarge? |
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| 19:38.58 | abrotman | rapha: contact the maintainer .. see if there's a solution |
| 19:39.01 | Gnea | !anyone |
| 19:39.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 19:39.08 | rapha | abrotman: Kay, th |
| 19:39.09 | rapha | x |
| 19:39.10 | tralala | InitMass: man update-menus is a good starting point. Debian has its own way of handling the menus. |
| 19:39.10 | abrotman | !maint libperl-xml-sax |
| 19:39.11 | k0walski | is it possible to have a samba share as my root directory? |
| 19:39.25 | abrotman | !maint libxml-sax-perl |
| 19:39.29 | dpkg | libxml-sax-perl: Jay Bonci <jaybonci@debian.org> |
| 19:39.33 | abrotman | rapha: ^^ |
| 19:39.43 | fevel | can anyone help me configure the tv-out on sarge? (nvidia) |
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| 19:40.01 | Gnea | k0walski: no, that would require the locking feature of NFS |
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| 19:40.19 | Gnea | !tell fevel about ask |
| 19:40.38 | tralala | !tell -about |
| 19:40.42 | tralala | aaaaah |
| 19:42.00 | fevel | How do I configure tv-out on debian? ive heard of couple of lines that I have to add to a certain conf file |
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| 19:42.09 | tralala | there is something veeery wrong with my irssi |
| 19:42.16 | fevel | its nvidia geforce fx5200 |
| 19:42.16 | rapha | abrotman: Wrote him an email |
| 19:42.19 | EdLin | !tell fevel -about repeat |
| 19:42.21 | abrotman | rapha: good |
| 19:42.30 | tralala | !nvida one liner |
| 19:42.38 | tralala | !nvidia one liner |
| 19:42.38 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 19:43.03 | k0walski | hmm I wonder if there is a nfs port to windows. |
| 19:43.10 | fevel | I think I already have module assistant since I installed the drivers the debian way |
| 19:43.14 | beardy | tralala: He said tv-out, that doesn't help him. |
| 19:43.18 | takatumi | this one liner is supposed to fix tv out as well? |
| 19:43.55 | tralala | beardy: depends on weather he has the drivers properly installed or not |
| 19:44.02 | fevel | I do |
| 19:44.07 | Gnea | tralala: well he said he already does |
| 19:44.09 | beardy | fevel: The easiest way is probably to look for a config, or parts of a config, using google. |
| 19:44.13 | fevel | glxgears runs fine |
| 19:44.35 | fevel | ok, thanks beardy |
| 19:44.39 | tralala | Gnea: sorry, I must have missed it between the repeats |
| 19:44.59 | beardy | tralala: His first question would then have been "how do I install the nvidia driver" more or less in a readable way. |
| 19:45.41 | tralala | beardy: s/would have been/might have been/ |
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| 19:46.01 | beardy | fevel: Try to search with your cards model + tv-out + X, or something simillar. |
| 19:46.32 | hamderdoygaard | pentium M - and CPU freq. scaling - how ? |
| 19:46.47 | hamderdoygaard | whic modules/kernel options do i need ? |
| 19:46.49 | beardy | tralala: would then most likely have been |
| 19:46.54 | hamderdoygaard | which* |
| 19:47.15 | tralala | beardy: ok |
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| 19:47.27 | abrotman | !cpufreq |
| 19:47.27 | dpkg | hmm... cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
| 19:48.24 | hamderdoygaard | ok, all i need is a package? |
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| 19:51.15 | serenity_ | everything runs - so I just listen -*hrhr* |
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| 19:52.34 | takatumi | hamderdoygaard: http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling might help. |
| 19:52.51 | OleMoudi | is sync mount option what I need if I want the changes made on a usb pendrive to be done instantly ? |
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| 19:53.09 | abrotman | fevel: we don't care ... /msg dpkg away |
| 19:53.41 | fevel | sorry |
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| 19:59.19 | pass | fsck is reporting errors on one of our servers. can I use the installation disk to run fsck on the device? |
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| 19:59.31 | hamderdoygaard | takatumi: thanx .... |
| 19:59.42 | johns^ | pass: why? |
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| 19:59.59 | johns^ | umount the partition and run fsck manually |
| 20:00.27 | pass | johns^, its the root partition, can I do that on a running system? |
| 20:00.28 | md5sum | hey I have a friend with ubuntu (yeah, I know, I keep trying to get him off of it), but will make-kpkg work for ubuntu users? |
| 20:00.47 | johns^ | uh, I guess not |
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| 20:01.12 | johns^ | isn't there a businesscard debian? |
| 20:01.18 | md5sum | good 'ole "I have a friend"line |
| 20:01.19 | johns^ | that should work |
| 20:02.09 | johns^ | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 20:02.13 | pass | I tried using the netinstall and it loaded up fsck, however I don't know how to access the device because it doesn't show up in the /dev directory when I execute a shell |
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| 20:03.03 | tralala | pass: netinstall is not well suited for that. try some livecd distro like knoppix |
| 20:03.06 | johns^ | I still use a knoppix cd for stuff like that. Mainly because I' m lazy |
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| 20:03.20 | johns^ | what tralala said ;) |
| 20:03.35 | Ramah | hey all I'm running gnome on debian and I added an alias into my .bashrc so that it would like to a version of firefox I've installed so.. how do I make an icon on the desktop in gnome? |
| 20:03.40 | marty | i'm having some trouble partitioning a new drive, could i get some tips on parted (or the partitioning program of choice)? |
| 20:03.41 | pass | knoppix is a good idea, I didn't think of that, thanks! |
| 20:04.06 | johns^ | fdisk still rules! |
| 20:04.08 | Ramah | marty: cfdisk is easy to use and straight foreward |
| 20:04.17 | marty | ok |
| 20:04.19 | marty | thanks |
| 20:04.22 | beardy | Ramah: Same way as anywhere else I suppose, click on it with on of your mousebuttons and choose "Add icon" or something. |
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| 20:04.46 | AptGet | how do i check my ip address |
| 20:04.49 | beardy | one |
| 20:04.57 | Ramah | beardy: thanks, I need to get my vision checked |
| 20:04.59 | johns^ | AptGet: ifconfig |
| 20:05.01 | wm3t | AptGet: ifconfig interface |
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| 20:06.19 | AptGet | thanks |
| 20:06.58 | mwilson | Yes, but you're not going to be running bash aliases from a Gnome icon. |
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| 20:07.56 | beardy | Ramah: Make a script of it instead of an alias, and make an icon that points to that. |
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| 20:08.38 | liam | Hello, Can anyone help me get my agp working? |
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| 20:08.53 | wm3t | !anyone |
| 20:08.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:09.08 | Thanatermesis | how to posible im not posible to telnet in 25 and 110 ports of another any machines ? |
| 20:09.35 | wm3t | ? |
| 20:09.47 | liam | wm3t, hmmm, ok then. |
| 20:09.50 | Mr-R | liam: whats the vendor of your graphiccard? |
| 20:09.55 | beardy | Thanatermesis: Your ISP has filtered those ports, in the outgoing drection. |
| 20:10.03 | liam | Mr-R, nvidia |
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| 20:10.20 | Thanatermesis | :( |
| 20:10.27 | liam | Mr-R, I think its related to: NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded! |
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| 20:10.54 | Thanatermesis | this is a fucking shit from the ass of this fucking belgacom monopol beardy |
| 20:11.10 | Mr-R | liam: and cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status says its disabled? |
| 20:11.11 | beardy | Thanatermesis: Well, tell them instead. |
| 20:11.18 | liam | Mr-R, Yes :( |
| 20:12.03 | Mr-R | liam: try "modprobe agpgart" before starting X |
| 20:12.38 | marty | does cfdisk modify /etc/fstab to make whatever partition changes mountable? |
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| 20:12.51 | beardy | Thanatermesis: They probably provide a smtp server for you to use, inside their subnet, ask them. |
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| 20:12.56 | liam | Mr-R, ok, let me test, brb |
| 20:13.38 | fbi | marty: no, you add partitions using whatever necessary mount options |
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| 20:13.56 | marty | ok |
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| 20:14.53 | marty | after i format a disk in my existing system, how do i add it in so that it acts as part of my home directory? |
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| 20:15.06 | liam | Mr-R, No change there, unfortunately. :( |
| 20:15.16 | MrMacDaddy | hello |
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| 20:15.33 | serenity_ | !seen candle |
| 20:15.34 | dpkg | candle <i=lisa@067.a.002lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11d 18h 15m 2s ago, saying: 'stew: hello'. |
| 20:15.41 | liam | Mr-R, does this look right? agpgart 35464 2 nvidia,sis_agp |
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| 20:15.45 | stew | hello? |
| 20:15.50 | Mr-R | liam: hmm. whats the vendor of the chipset of the mainboard? oh. sis. |
| 20:16.06 | liam | Mr-R, Yes, sis |
| 20:16.09 | Mr-R | liam: looks god |
| 20:16.10 | fbi | marty: i don't think you can do that (i could be wrong), just make a new mount point for the new partition and start saving data there |
| 20:16.15 | Mr-R | liam: uhm good. :) |
| 20:16.20 | marty | ok |
| 20:16.26 | marty | thanks fbi |
| 20:16.28 | liam | Mr-R, erm, is it a 'udev' thing? |
| 20:16.55 | liam | Mr-R, all seemed good until I upgraded. I've been messing around with the box..... |
| 20:17.17 | Mr-R | liam: i dont use udev at home... |
| 20:17.25 | abrotman | stew: you're not home! |
| 20:17.26 | Mr-R | liam: and only at home the nvidia driver... |
| 20:17.27 | fbi | no problem |
| 20:17.48 | abrotman | stew: candle was LightVision |
| 20:18.02 | fbi | is LightVision a girl today? |
| 20:18.03 | liam | Mr-R, oh dear. Well I did have agpgart blacklisted before, but I haven't a clue with udev. |
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| 20:18.51 | Mr-R | liam: hmm. dump udev? i just needed it for some logical volumes. :) |
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| 20:19.16 | liam | Mr-R, indeed, will it freak if I uninstall it though? |
| 20:19.25 | Mr-R | liam: sorry, i dunno |
| 20:19.30 | vezult | is it just me, or does evolution not filter messages in IMAP mailboxes? |
| 20:19.50 | liam | Mr-R, hehe, ok. I'm off to delete my devices then. booo! |
| 20:19.58 | liam | Mr-R, Thanks anyway. |
| 20:19.59 | Mr-R | liam: good luck |
| 20:20.01 | mwilson | It's just you. |
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| 20:20.56 | stew | abrotman: i wish i were home, believe me |
| 20:21.10 | abrotman | stew: you *do own* the company .. you oculd go home :) |
| 20:21.15 | vezult | mwilson: good. |
| 20:21.20 | stew | abrotman: i'm onsite today |
| 20:21.20 | man | any italian around? |
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| 20:21.24 | stew | !it |
| 20:21.24 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 20:21.25 | abrotman | stew: ah ok |
| 20:21.57 | abrotman | stew: under the weather ? |
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| 20:22.03 | man | thx |
| 20:22.22 | Thanatermesis | beardy its posible to "hack", broke or burn my fucking isp ? |
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| 20:23.25 | fbi | hack teh planet! |
| 20:23.34 | stew | hack the gibson! |
| 20:23.42 | fbi | word! |
| 20:23.49 | stew | abrotman: its finally nice out and i'm stuck inside all day |
| 20:24.07 | serenity_ | hack the universe! |
| 20:24.12 | Thanatermesis | hack the ass of bush and the "hide" persons :) |
| 20:24.21 | fbi | serenity_: i don't recall that line from the movie. |
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| 20:24.46 | fbi | Thanatermesis: what are you on about? |
| 20:24.47 | Bushito | ... |
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| 20:25.26 | Thanatermesis | <Thanatermesis> its posible to "hack", broke or burn my fucking isp ? |
| 20:25.39 | fbi | yeah, i got that part. why though? |
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| 20:25.53 | samot | is there any simple way of listing all files owned by a specific user? |
| 20:26.01 | Thanatermesis | im not posible to telnet any machine in the 25 and 110 ports o_O |
| 20:26.12 | fbi | ah the old blocked ports trick. |
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| 20:26.20 | fbi | Thanatermesis: so get a new ISP |
| 20:26.20 | Thanatermesis | samot man find |
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| 20:26.27 | stew | samot: info find |
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| 20:26.39 | stew | the info page is much more complete than the manpage for find |
| 20:26.39 | Thanatermesis | fbi not posible, belgacom its the "monopol" |
| 20:27.22 | samot | okay, thanks |
| 20:27.31 | abrotman | stew: it was nice on saturday? |
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| 20:27.51 | stew | abrotman: yeah, i got a good ride in on saturday |
| 20:27.54 | Thanatermesis | fbi im not posible to configure my SMTP for send mails |
| 20:27.59 | abrotman | stew: i wish i had .. wedding to attend |
| 20:28.10 | Zap-W | can 422 connections with 30K upstream 40K downstream in total cause 70% CPU usage on a PIII 600mhz ? |
| 20:28.15 | Thanatermesis | im not posible conect -> exterior with the port 25 |
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| 20:28.18 | stew | abrotman: i'm hoping to get home within an hour so i can get one in today but its not looking good |
| 20:28.30 | fbi | Thanatermesis: that sucks. |
| 20:28.45 | abrotman | stew: it will be dark by the time i get home .. and i need groceries |
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| 20:29.17 | Geren | hi |
| 20:29.19 | Geren | newbie quesiton |
| 20:29.24 | stew | abrotman: i'm ordering a hub generator tonight so i can head to the park after 7 when its dark but no cars |
| 20:29.25 | abrotman | again? |
| 20:29.28 | Geren | what command do i use to find the exact ip address of the machine i logged onto |
| 20:29.29 | serenity_ | owe wedding - is like ever lost ... |
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| 20:29.34 | abrotman | stew: soon it will be too cold |
| 20:29.39 | Wibble- | I have a question / suggestion. From what I understand, the packages on the first CD are based on the deb popularity contest - correct? It includes Gnome, but does not include any X server! So you can install gnome, but you can't use it because neither x-org nor xfree are included. I suggest that packages included also have their dependancies included (even if they are not the most popular) |
| 20:29.49 | stew | abrotman: nah |
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| 20:29.59 | Thanatermesis | yes fbi ... i have needed 1 complete week for configure and prepair the "Trac" for manage the Elive project and in the moment of configure the mail for send to the developers, im not posible to use SMTP ? grrrrr |
| 20:30.05 | fbi | Geren: netstat ? |
| 20:30.08 | abrotman | stew: i'm a warm weather person |
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| 20:30.16 | abrotman | Geren: ifconfig -a |
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| 20:30.29 | stew | Wibble-: xserver-xfree86 is on cd1 |
| 20:30.36 | Geren | does not work |
| 20:30.50 | abrotman | Geren: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 20:30.57 | tk401 | hello all. can someone help me be able to burn a cd on sarge? running 2.6 kernel and cdrecord doesn't like it apparently |
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| 20:31.08 | fbi | abrotman: that shows ip of a remote machine? i think i misunderstood his question |
| 20:31.16 | abrotman | so did i then |
| 20:31.21 | fbi | cool! |
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| 20:31.27 | Geren | so which one should i be looking at? |
| 20:31.30 | abrotman | fbi: he's logged in .. via name i suppose .. and wants the IP |
| 20:31.35 | abrotman | Geren: nslookup hostname ? |
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| 20:31.37 | fbi | yeah, figured that |
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| 20:32.01 | Thanatermesis | fbi http://pastebin.com/396789 |
| 20:32.11 | fbi | ugh, i'm not in X |
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| 20:32.33 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, you can posible enter in #flood fbi ? |
| 20:32.38 | fbi | sure, one sec |
| 20:32.42 | Wibble- | stew: can I pm you for a few moments? |
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| 20:34.29 | johnsu01 | After recent security updates to my sarge system, my courier-imap server has gotten very slow. It hangs for a long time after SELECT "INBOX" and also after each EXPUNGE. Anyone else notice this or have suggestions about where to look? |
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| 20:35.04 | johnsu01 | I am testing this over a dialup connection, but fetchmail is taking a full 5-7 minutes to download a single message. |
| 20:35.14 | vezult | well, it seems the filtering part does work, its just that the "play sound" action does not seem to. |
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| 20:35.43 | session | Right now I'm playing music of my linux server using ssh and mpg124 from windows. Are ther any other more "graphic" ways to do this? Other programs etc. ? |
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| 20:35.47 | rafx | speaking of security updates...how often are ISOs of stable made with all the updates found in that branch? just curious since i've seen those for woody come out at odd intervals. |
| 20:36.00 | johnsu01 | I downgraded to an earlier courier package, but the problem seems to be the same. I'm considering trying to downgrade again. |
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| 20:36.35 | johnsu01 | I don't see any errors in logs or the transcript between fetchmail and courier. |
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| 20:36.38 | fbi | session: xmms. |
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| 20:36.58 | fbi | session: scratch that, didn't see that second part |
| 20:37.01 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:37.03 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:37.04 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
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| 20:37.10 | fbi | welp: die. |
| 20:37.10 | thingfish | johnsu01: maybe you should check bugs.debian.org/courier-imap |
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| 20:37.39 | fbi | i'm hungry, abrotman can you send me a ham + cheese hoagie from wawa please, thanks |
| 20:37.45 | abrotman | ew .. no |
| 20:37.55 | fbi | wtf! ew? |
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| 20:37.59 | statickaos | when i try to remove an init script i get exists during rc.d purge |
| 20:37.59 | fbi | wawa rocks! |
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| 20:38.17 | johnsu01 | thingfish: yeah, nothing there seems pertinent, and definitely not recent. |
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| 20:38.38 | tk401 | cdrecord is giving me a problem. it says "cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver." |
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| 20:38.51 | tk401 | what does this mean and what can i do to fix it? anyone know? |
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| 20:39.04 | Ungy | why are little shits like welp allowed to exist |
| 20:39.08 | johnsu01 | well, there is one "long delays" bug.. |
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| 20:40.30 | _eLMo_ | madagascar ? |
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| 20:40.33 | johnsu01 | actually, that bug might be the answer. |
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| 20:40.53 | fbi | Ungy: so the #gentoo channel won't be empty? |
| 20:41.03 | tk401 | excuse me, can anyone help with the cdrecord issue? |
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| 20:41.19 | thingfish | johnsu01: so you're checking to see if you have libnss-db installed? |
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| 20:41.24 | _eLMo_ | fbi: the #gentoo channel is never empty :p |
| 20:41.25 | Ungy | fbi why do we allow those tree killers to exist |
| 20:41.33 | johnsu01 | thingfish: Yeah, and actually, I do. Hm. |
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| 20:41.53 | thingfish | yeah, hm, oh well, at least you can cross that off the list. |
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| 20:42.10 | fbi | Ungy: *shrug* i worry about important matters, like what happens whena bolt of lightning hits the middle of the ocean. why don't all the fish die! |
| 20:42.25 | liam | Mr-R, no luck. |
| 20:42.36 | johnsu01 | thingfish: I'll check the loopback, which is the other thing mentioned there.. |
| 20:42.40 | liam | Mr-R, removed udev and install hotplug instead but same problem. |
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| 20:43.13 | Ungy | fbi technically lighting doesn't hit the ocean in case you were not aware of it lightening actually comes from the ground and the sky and meets in the middle ;-) |
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| 20:43.20 | elvirolo | hi again |
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| 20:43.33 | elvirolo | can anyone please help me set my printer with cups ? |
| 20:43.36 | Ungy | fbi so the lightening strike is actually removing electricity from the ocean |
| 20:43.46 | thingfish | elvirolo: kde or gnome? |
| 20:43.46 | fbi | Ungy: thanks for ruining my fun, now i have to find something else to ponder on. |
| 20:43.50 | Ungy | fbi which could be caused by all those damned electric eels |
| 20:43.54 | _eLMo_ | fbi: :p |
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| 20:44.08 | _eLMo_ | fbi: what is the question to 42 ? |
| 20:44.15 | fbi | heh? |
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| 20:44.21 | _eLMo_ | ponder about that ;) |
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| 20:44.27 | _eLMo_ | the question is 9x6 :P |
| 20:44.31 | _eLMo_ | ponder about that ;) |
| 20:44.35 | _eLMo_ | 9x6=42 |
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| 20:44.51 | fbi | uh. what school did _you_ take math at. |
| 20:44.59 | _eLMo_ | fbi: you just ponder about that ;) |
| 20:45.04 | _eLMo_ | cause it's a true statement |
| 20:45.06 | Ungy | fbi why do we drive on a park way and park on a driveway? |
| 20:45.15 | fbi | i'd rather ponder about what i am having for lunch |
| 20:45.19 | johnsu01 | thingfish: Aha, it's the loopback problem. |
| 20:45.28 | chuck_gr | can aonyone help me configure jpilot? |
| 20:45.32 | thingfish | johnsu01: great! |
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| 20:45.45 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
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| 20:45.52 | elvirolo | thingfish: kde |
| 20:45.56 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:45.57 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
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| 20:45.59 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.01 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.01 | Hitiek | I'm using debian testing(etch). When I try to "apt-get install dovecot-common" it attempts to add a user, but fails. how can I see the command line it is trying to run? |
| 20:46.01 | thingfish | elvirolo: use kcontrol. |
| 20:46.03 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.05 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.07 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.07 | stew | !ops welp is a troll |
| 20:46.09 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.10 | johnsu01 | thingfish: ifconfig showed no address for the lo.. Wonder how that came to pass. But ifconfig lo down ; ifconfig lo up solved the problem. |
| 20:46.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: welp is a troll |
| 20:46.11 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.13 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.19 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.22 | elvirolo | i have a hp deskjet 710C but i can't find the pilot |
| 20:46.23 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.25 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.26 | aaronf0 | stew: really? |
| 20:46.27 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.29 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.31 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.33 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.35 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.39 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.41 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.41 | duncf | umm... ops? |
| 20:46.44 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.49 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
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| 20:46.53 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.55 | streuner | !ios welp flood us |
| 20:46.56 | liam | Yey, found the ignore command! |
| 20:46.57 | welp | GENTOO PWNS |
| 20:46.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 20:46.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@82-70-75-246.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] by helix |
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| 20:46.59 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 20:46.59 | thingfish | a dozen ops and all asleep. |
| 20:47.03 | streuner | !ops welp flood us |
| 20:47.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: welp flood us |
| 20:47.08 | _eLMo_ | silly person |
| 20:47.09 | thingfish | thank you, helix. |
| 20:47.12 | aaronf0 | johnsu01: yes, shit happens |
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| 20:47.15 | helix | hm, sorry it took so long |
| 20:47.17 | streuner | helix: too late |
| 20:47.18 | stew | helix: thanks |
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| 20:47.37 | streuner | helix: to many typos... |
| 20:47.42 | helix | streuner: ? |
| 20:47.43 | aaronf0 | johnsu01: we could say you debian people only like to use apps that were deprecated 40 years ago |
| 20:47.43 | Ungy | figures the troll had to be from the uk |
| 20:47.47 | SatanGolga | how do u start the base config menu? |
| 20:47.53 | streuner | helix: i made too many typos... |
| 20:47.57 | helix | streuner: ..ok |
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| 20:48.37 | helix | _eLMo_: one of your buddies? |
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| 20:48.50 | aaronf0 | nah, random dumbass out of #xfce |
| 20:48.52 | _eLMo_ | helix: nope, but I saw him in #xfce |
| 20:48.52 | k0walski | what's the debian netconfig tool called? |
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| 20:48.57 | saik0_at-work | What would a good solution be for small scale intranet messaging? |
| 20:48.59 | _eLMo_ | helix: braggin about it ^_^ |
| 20:49.10 | _eLMo_ | helix: he said he did something like this before, with madagascar |
| 20:49.11 | streuner | k0walski: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 20:49.16 | helix | madagascar? |
| 20:49.27 | aaronf0 | the movie? |
| 20:49.29 | _eLMo_ | helix: yes, spamming that |
| 20:49.35 | helix | lame |
| 20:50.06 | aaronf0 | yea, none of you would happen to have ops in #xfce? |
| 20:50.15 | helix | not me |
| 20:50.16 | aaronf0 | a drive by banning? |
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| 20:50.21 | _eLMo_ | anyways, I don't run debian, i was just enjoying the spam, so i'll be leaving ^^ bye |
| 20:50.23 | johnsu01 | aaronf0: yeah, we could say that. In my case it would probably be right :) |
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| 20:50.36 | aaronf0 | heh |
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| 20:50.58 | Katarnoca | Anyone here good with snort rules? |
| 20:51.05 | aaronf0 | hrm, i wonder if assholes from #debian ever spam #gentoo... |
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| 20:51.20 | aaronf0 | not that youd notice it in the msgs shotting by... |
| 20:51.29 | aaronf0 | *shooting |
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| 20:51.39 | helix | aaronf0: not afaik |
| 20:51.46 | helix | we would ban them if they did |
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| 20:51.51 | helix | (from #debian) |
| 20:52.04 | aaronf0 | ahh, so its just random people from not #gentoo who spam in #debian? |
| 20:52.16 | aaronf0 | odd... |
| 20:52.27 | helix | it's been much worse in the past |
| 20:52.48 | aaronf0 | some things pop up on the forums every once in a while |
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| 20:54.06 | aaronf0 | most recently was the prank where a bunch of people came in with nicks that spelt gentoo |
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| 20:54.30 | thingfish | they need something to do while all their crap compiles. |
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| 20:54.36 | aaronf0 | heh |
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| 20:54.52 | bbrazil | aaronf0: that you could appreciate |
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| 20:55.01 | aaronf0 | no |
| 20:55.06 | aaronf0 | i just compile something else |
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| 20:55.13 | aaronf0 | :D :D ;D |
| 20:55.23 | pingwin | wwhats the easiest way to transfer a whole folder from a windows machine to a debian machine via samba? |
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| 20:55.34 | bbrazil | pingwin: drag+drop |
| 20:55.38 | aaronf0 | nautilus? |
| 20:55.45 | thingfish | sure, why not |
| 20:55.53 | aaronf0 | dont see what debian has to do with that... |
| 20:56.01 | pingwin | bbrazil: cant get it to mount though |
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| 20:56.14 | bbrazil | pingwin: which end are you working from? |
| 20:56.24 | pingwin | bbrazil: no way to transfer folders via smbclient? |
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| 20:56.49 | saik0_at-work | bbrazil \\server\share in your filemanager |
| 20:56.51 | pingwin | bbrazil: i can work from either end but id prefer to pull it from the windows computer instead of setting up shares on the debian box |
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| 20:57.12 | aaronf0 | yes, agreed |
| 20:57.14 | basscr | where can i found e-xmms in a .deb package ? |
| 20:57.16 | aaronf0 | just use nautilus |
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| 20:57.28 | pingwin | hm ok |
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| 20:57.34 | pingwin | didnt know thatd work =) |
| 20:57.38 | bbrazil | pingwin: one sec, I have code that does that |
| 20:57.41 | aaronf0 | it should take care of the mounting |
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| 20:57.48 | aaronf0 | dont know about konqueror though |
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| 20:58.06 | pingwin | im using nautilus anyways |
| 20:58.07 | bbrazil | pingwin: /opt/csw/bin/smbclient '\\ntserver-usr\get' -A ~/.smbpasswd -U brazilb -c 'cd "kmosursk\Computer Science";prompt;mget *;exit;' |
| 20:58.09 | balrog-kun | has anyone installed debian-hurd? |
| 20:58.11 | saik0_at-work | You dont have to mount a smb share to transer files... |
| 20:58.18 | bbrazil | obviouslly that won't work as-is on debian |
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| 20:58.36 | pingwin | yeah |
| 20:58.44 | aaronf0 | dont know, in getnoo things 'just work' |
| 20:58.51 | pingwin | ok, thanks guys |
| 20:58.59 | liam | Could anyone help me get my agp working for my nvidia card? |
| 20:59.09 | aaronf0 | heh, saying gentoo cause many people to drop |
| 20:59.11 | rohal | some one please help me figure out whats wrong with my xorg.conf.....here it is http://rafb.net/paste/results/pJASlF39.html & here is the xorg log http://rafb.net/paste/results/jQFE6H65.html |
| 20:59.11 | balrog-kun | uh |
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| 20:59.17 | mwilson | liam: What makes you think it's not working? |
| 20:59.22 | basscr | where can i found e-xmms in a .deb package ? |
| 20:59.25 | dli | liam, get the binary driver from nvidia.com |
| 20:59.27 | aaronf0 | #nv and/or #xorg |
| 20:59.49 | liam | mwilson, cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status -> Status: Disabled |
| 20:59.51 | scx | *scx is sad: she's going to be out of the computer for few months |
| 21:00.15 | Mr-R | liam: sorry. i was afk |
| 21:00.21 | liam | mwilson, and its a bit slow. |
| 21:00.21 | claviola | scx: backpacking? |
| 21:00.37 | liam | Mr-R, Aha! Hello again. :-) |
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| 21:01.08 | scx | claviola: migrating to another planet |
| 21:01.18 | mwilson | rohal: <shrug> You have no mouse, like the log says. |
| 21:01.19 | claviola | scx: woah. an astronaut! |
| 21:01.27 | Karhuton | I want to permanently divert a symlink in /usr/lib to somewhere else (owned by mesa package), but every now and then the manually removed symlink is overwritten by the original |
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| 21:01.35 | mwilson | Karhuton: Why? |
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| 21:01.51 | liam | Mr-R, Still no luck, unfortunately. |
| 21:01.53 | Karhuton | mwilson, libGL |
| 21:02.03 | mwilson | Karhuton: Again, why? |
| 21:02.25 | mwilson | Karhuton: I know perfectly well what Mesa is. |
| 21:02.44 | Karhuton | mwilson, because the original symlink points to a wrong libGL |
| 21:02.52 | mwilson | Karhuton: According to whom? |
| 21:02.54 | claviola | Karhuton: file a bug against the package that owns it |
| 21:02.57 | scx | claviola: I'd like to,... would be gret,..... I mean: i am going to some dark and alone town sort kind of SilentHil, where no computer is near (somewhere in canada) |
| 21:02.57 | Karhuton | mwilson, me |
| 21:02.59 | Karhuton | No package thing |
| 21:03.05 | Mr-R | liam: hmm. maybe you should reconfigure x not to use nvagp. with 'Option "NvAGP" "0"' in the device section of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 21:03.15 | mwilson | Karhuton: You're wrong. Now, wasn't that easy? |
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| 21:03.30 | claviola | you can always roll your own package that overrides the symlink, Karhuton |
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| 21:03.37 | mwilson | Karhuton: Now, if you actually give some details, perhaps someone can help you figure out what's actually going on. |
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| 21:03.45 | liam | Mr-R, ah, ok. I've tried '1' and '3' to no effect. Shouldn't it be using NvAGP though? |
| 21:03.53 | claviola | mwilson: that's not productive. |
| 21:03.55 | basscr | where can i found e-xmms in a .deb package ? |
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| 21:04.00 | Karhuton | Why does the symlink get overwritten? |
| 21:04.05 | bbrazil | basscr: apt-file |
| 21:04.05 | Karhuton | And by what |
| 21:04.09 | mwilson | claviola: It's not productive for him to actually give details? |
| 21:04.11 | helix | mwilson: I'm tired of warning you about your behavior |
| 21:04.15 | basscr | where can i found e-xmms in a .deb package ? |
| 21:04.18 | helix | *really tired* |
| 21:04.20 | basscr | where can i found e-xmms in a .deb package ? |
| 21:04.21 | Mr-R | liam: i have some via-chipset and had to remove nvagp |
| 21:04.22 | claviola | mwilson: details are fine. being a smug prick isn't. |
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| 21:04.23 | basscr | where can i found e-xmms in a .deb package ? |
| 21:04.25 | basscr | where can i found e-xmms in a .deb package ? |
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| 21:04.29 | Karhuton | mwilson, you're being an ass |
| 21:04.35 | helix | basscr: stop it |
| 21:04.35 | basscr | where can i found e-xmms in a .deb package ? |
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| 21:04.42 | helix | Karhuton: don't exacerbate the situation |
| 21:05.01 | nopriest | gh |
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| 21:05.29 | Mr-R | liam: wait. nvagp 0 is bullshit. try 2 |
| 21:05.34 | claviola | Karhuton: try to explain why do you need to point the symlink somewhere else, and what is the exact symlink/package that overrides it? |
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| 21:05.49 | liam | Mr-R, ok, I know it has worked with this system before, with older kernel versions and different drivers. Sometimes I wonder why I bother upgrading! |
| 21:05.51 | lightbright | hello |
| 21:05.56 | Mr-R | liam: 0 would just disable agp completely |
| 21:05.56 | lightbright | bucky: hi there :) |
| 21:06.00 | Karhuton | claviola, ATI installs the libGL to a wrong directory |
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| 21:06.05 | liam | Mr-R, indeed! ;-p |
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| 21:06.12 | claviola | Karhuton: "ati"? |
| 21:06.12 | helix | mwilson: it seems I gave you a final warnign in august or so, so I think you've overstayed your welcome finally |
| 21:06.13 | Karhuton | claviola, it doesn't override the mesa package's libGL |
| 21:06.23 | mwilson | liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver? |
| 21:06.24 | Mr-R | liam: hmm. the switch from 2.4 to 2.6 is quite a big step |
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| 21:06.30 | liam | Mr-R, But 3 should work, if 2 would. |
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| 21:06.35 | lightbright | bucky: I couldnt find a version for Sarge on nvu.com , could you? |
| 21:06.35 | Mr-R | liam: but it brings agp8x. :) |
| 21:07.08 | peterS | that was awesome, if pyrrhic |
| 21:07.11 | liam | Mr-R, I'd like that. |
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| 21:07.46 | bucky | lightbright, yeah i found it... it's called nvu-1.0-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2 |
| 21:07.54 | Mr-R | liam: so you have an agp8x-card and the corresponding chipset? |
| 21:07.56 | peterS | hmm, can something be both awesome and pyrrhic at the same time? |
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| 21:08.13 | liam | I'm still getting 'NVRM: not using NVAGP, an AGPGART backend is loaded!' even though I've blacklisted agpgart, is that related? |
| 21:08.36 | Mr-R | liam: why did you blacklist agpgart anyway? |
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| 21:08.54 | liam | Mr-R, cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/host-bridge -> AGP Rates: 8x 4x |
| 21:08.54 | lightbright | bucky: will that work on Sarge? |
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| 21:09.02 | bucky | afaik |
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| 21:09.18 | tidali | Hey how do I make custom partitions on debian? for some reason the default isn't creating a /boot |
| 21:09.20 | liam | Mr-R, cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/card -> AGP Rates: 8x 4x |
| 21:09.24 | Karhuton | liam, type: lsmod | grep agp |
| 21:09.24 | liam | Mr-R, looks good., |
| 21:09.28 | claviola | Karhuton: so you have installed an unofficial package that links to the wrong location? |
| 21:09.44 | Mr-R | liam: try status |
| 21:09.50 | liam | Karhuton, agpgart 35464 2 nvidia,sis_agp |
| 21:09.57 | Karhuton | liam, blackslist sis_agp too |
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| 21:10.05 | Karhuton | liam, it loads the agpgart |
| 21:10.05 | liam | Mr-R, I heard somewhere blacklisting it can help with the loading. |
| 21:10.12 | liam | Karhuton, Aha! |
| 21:10.24 | liam | Karhuton, sounds good ;) |
| 21:10.24 | tidali | someone help me? |
| 21:10.31 | Karhuton | claviola, Yeah, pretty much |
| 21:10.33 | Mr-R | liam: wait. whats in /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status? |
| 21:10.35 | lightbright | bucky: nvu-1.0-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2 - Tarball built on Linspire 5.0 |
| 21:10.53 | bucky | that's what i use |
| 21:10.54 | lightbright | bucky: will a Linspire build work on debian? |
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| 21:11.04 | liam | Mr-R, Status: Disabled |
| 21:11.12 | Karhuton | claviola, I could just overwrite the libGL.so.1.2 file, but I rather change the symlink libGL.so.1 |
| 21:11.12 | Mr-R | liam: thats not good |
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| 21:11.21 | liam | Mr-R, indeed! |
| 21:11.28 | liam | Mr-R, ok, off to reboot, brb |
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| 21:11.35 | sgran | tidali: what's the question? |
| 21:11.49 | claviola | Karhuton: ok, that symlink is owned by xlibmesa-gl. |
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| 21:12.04 | Mr-R | Karhuton: whats this blacklists stuff anyway? sounds evil. :) |
| 21:12.05 | claviola | Karhuton: have you tried using update-alternatives? |
| 21:12.06 | bucky | lightbright, like i said yesterday... it's a binary you untar (like into /usr/local) and run the executable /usr/local/nvu-1.0/nvu the only deb is the mozilla libraries |
| 21:12.16 | bucky | only dep |
| 21:12.21 | bucky | dependancy |
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| 21:12.30 | BenIsCool | oooh a similar problem |
| 21:12.46 | Karhuton | mr-r, discover and hotplug autodetect devices and load modules for 'em. blacklisting tells 'em not to load a module for the device |
| 21:12.55 | BenIsCool | I suck at using Gaim |
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| 21:13.07 | p30n | hello |
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| 21:13.21 | BenIsCool | ok, so |
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| 21:13.32 | BenIsCool | I have Mesa as my OpenGL driver |
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| 21:13.49 | BenIsCool | There is no entry for it in XF86Config-4 |
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| 21:14.00 | Mr-R | Karhuton: ok. so you blacklist bad behaving modules that do not work with hotplug or discover? |
| 21:14.00 | p30n | i have a simple question, i have hddtemp installed, and i can run it as root to show output in bash, but i cannot run with my eggdrop user, which is required for a tcl script i use |
| 21:14.01 | BenIsCool | but for some reason, that is my OpenGL, and it doesnt' work |
| 21:14.05 | Karhuton | claviola, no, I haven't |
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| 21:14.26 | Karhuton | claviola, what would that do? |
| 21:14.38 | Miesco | I have a process running on pts/2, I am on pts/3, is there any way to put the process on pts/2 to the forground? |
| 21:14.39 | BenIsCool | just wondering, can anyone hear me? Does Gaim work? |
| 21:14.44 | peterS | BenIsCool: nope |
| 21:14.49 | BenIsCool | ohh |
| 21:14.55 | peterS | we can't hear you |
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| 21:15.00 | BenIsCool | thanks for that <leaves> |
| 21:15.09 | Karhuton | claviola, the unofficial package is broken, so it's alternative libGL is in the wrong place, and it thinks the libGL is another directory than it is |
| 21:15.37 | Karhuton | So how would update-alternatives help me? |
| 21:15.50 | Miesco | Is there anyway to kill all processes on pts/2? |
| 21:16.15 | claviola | Karhuton: can't you fiddle with that unofficial package to fix the link? |
| 21:16.17 | BenIsCool | Hello, anyone, could you (anyone) help me (uncoolguy) disable Mesa for OpenGL and instead use a specific driver for my graphics card? |
| 21:16.21 | Karhuton | claviola, no |
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| 21:16.32 | Karhuton | claviola, what program changes the symlink? |
| 21:16.37 | peterS | p30n: if you have a great deal of trust in your hddtemp binary you can probably make it setuid root and mode 4754 and some group that only your eggdrop user is a member of |
| 21:16.38 | pmjdebruijn | lo all |
| 21:16.41 | Karhuton | claviola, back to the original one |
| 21:16.48 | claviola | Karhuton: update-alternatives is supposed to do that. |
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| 21:16.49 | pmjdebruijn | does anybody here know where I can get the jigdo file for Woody 3.0r6 DVDs? |
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| 21:17.13 | Karhuton | claviola, when does it get ran automatically? |
| 21:17.20 | Karhuton | claviola, does synaptic run it? |
| 21:17.30 | BenIsCool | Restate the problem: how do I use hardware rendering on a Intel 82845? Right now I'm using the i810 driver for X, but it says it's using mesa, which is very slow. |
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| 21:17.50 | liam | Boo, this sucks |
| 21:17.52 | peterS | Karhuton: update-alternatives should be run every time an affected package is installed, upgraded or removed |
| 21:18.01 | p30n | peterS: how could i make it accessible to all users on the system? a cmd pls, im a noob =/ (im the only user on the box) |
| 21:18.09 | Mr-R | liam: why did you put agpgart in the blacklist? |
| 21:18.19 | BenIsCool | p30n: to make things accessible, use chmod |
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| 21:18.43 | liam | Mr-R, Hello, it stops it booting up in the beginning, otherwise the nvidia driver can't load properly. |
| 21:18.44 | Miesco | peterS: Is it possible to kill all the process on pts/2? |
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| 21:19.11 | Karhuton | peterS, how can I manually enter an alternative to override the package's? |
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| 21:19.17 | sgran | Miesco: ps ax | grep pts/2 | blah blah |
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| 21:19.22 | Mr-R | liam: thats not true. it justs forbids the nvidia-driver to try nvagp... |
| 21:19.24 | Karhuton | peterS, you don't have to tell me what to do, just little guidence on where to find out |
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| 21:19.36 | claviola | Karhuton: well, check the manpage... |
| 21:19.39 | BenIsCool | So, does anyone know how I could use hardware rendering on my Intel 82845 graphics card? |
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| 21:19.48 | Mr-R | liam: but as i see it, your mainboard is not supported by nvagp. so stick with agpgart |
| 21:19.48 | BenIsCool | )Right now I use Mesa) |
| 21:19.52 | claviola | I'm not familiar with those GL woes |
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| 21:20.15 | ratonn | Does anyone know which drive device ide1(22,2) is? |
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| 21:20.31 | abrotman | an invalid one ? |
| 21:20.32 | ratonn | is it /dev/hda b c or d? |
| 21:20.34 | abrotman | unless oyu mean 2,2 |
| 21:20.35 | peterS | ratonn: /dev/hdc2 |
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| 21:20.45 | Miesco | peterS: Is there anyone to put a process on a differnt TTY to the forground? |
| 21:20.51 | Miesco | anyway* |
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| 21:21.00 | ratonn | peterS: can you give me the syntax for that? |
| 21:21.03 | peterS | Miesco: can't be done. only the shell controlling a given tty has the information to control its own jobs |
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| 21:21.05 | Zap-W | dramatically |
| 21:21.11 | Zap-W | it's amazing i think after i had this faulty PSU replaced my CPU temp dropped |
| 21:21.20 | liam | Mr-R, Sorry, I don't understand?! I thought it stopped agpgart from loading before the nvidia driver? |
| 21:21.23 | peterS | ratonn: syntax for what? you asked which device, it is /dev/hdc2 |
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| 21:21.29 | claviola | Karhuton: I have to go home, but I suggest you write a mail to debian-user@lists.debian.org. |
| 21:21.34 | ratonn | peterS: i mean how you figured it out |
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| 21:21.55 | Miesco | peterS: Can you change to a different shell? |
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| 21:22.06 | peterS | ratonn: oh, I just happened to know. major number 22 is hdc and hdd, and since the minor number was 2 it had to be hdc2 |
| 21:22.08 | BenIsCool | no thanks to #Debian, I think I've got this one (thanks nick) |
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| 21:22.28 | peterS | ratonn: hdd has minor numbers starting at 64, see |
| 21:22.34 | BenIsCool | just kidding, this is a good channel |
| 21:22.34 | BenIsCool | :) |
| 21:22.41 | peterS | ratonn: you can do 'ls -l /dev/hdc2' to confirm all this, btw. it will show "22, 2" |
| 21:22.42 | liam | Mr-R, But if what you say is true, I better change the NvAGP to 2, like you suggested! |
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| 21:23.10 | ratonn | yep, it does |
| 21:23.11 | ratonn | thanks |
| 21:23.20 | Mr-R | liam: hmm. i am quite unfamiliar with hotplug and blacklisting modules. i would say, that you need agpgart working and then load the nvidia-module |
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| 21:23.39 | Miesco | peterS: SO its only possible if you use screen? |
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| 21:23.47 | sgran | Miesco: yes |
| 21:23.48 | peterS | Miesco: the foreground / background / suspended status of a particular job is something that only the shell which started the job knows about and can do anything about. |
| 21:23.49 | lightbright | peterS: when I shut down yesterday, I noticed that my system is finanlly clean of all apache2 files etc, thanks |
| 21:23.56 | peterS | lightbright: heh, good |
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| 21:24.10 | lightbright | peterS: yeah :) |
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| 21:24.42 | hugo_ | well, hell there |
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| 21:25.05 | bucky | well hell to you too |
| 21:25.07 | liam | Mr-R, ok, well I'm not sure why its not working in this case, but historically, this board and card have worked with NvAGP. |
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| 21:25.17 | liam | Mr-R, but like I said, older drivers, kernel etc. |
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| 21:25.45 | liam | Mr-R, Blacklisting alway's seemed to help, but I haven't a clue what it does precisely! |
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| 21:26.15 | bucky | liam, is nvidia even loaded? lsmod to see |
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| 21:26.21 | ratonn | EXT3-fs error (device ide1(22,2)): ext3_readdir: directory #131073 contains a hole at offset 184320 |
| 21:26.32 | ratonn | That's the 2nd drive in my raid1 array |
| 21:26.34 | abrotman | !seen lightvision |
| 21:26.34 | dpkg | lightvision <n=light@003.a.002lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 19h 24m 3s ago, saying: 'bucky: great :)'. |
| 21:26.51 | ratonn | Should I take it out of the array, mke2fs it and resync? |
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| 21:26.59 | iRising|CraZy | hey can i get some help? |
| 21:27.06 | abrotman | not here .. try #help |
| 21:27.10 | iRising|CraZy | :-/ |
| 21:27.16 | liam | bucky, Yeh, it loads fine. strangely! |
| 21:27.16 | abrotman | !ask |
| 21:27.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:27.25 | iRising|CraZy | k, well i just finished partitioning |
| 21:27.30 | bucky | abrotman, he changed his nick to lightbright.. he's in the channel now |
| 21:27.30 | iRising|CraZy | (it took about 16 hours) |
| 21:27.32 | mrpickles444 | Hello room. |
| 21:27.35 | iRising|CraZy | and now theres a blank screen |
| 21:27.37 | tidali | sgran how do I make custom partitions? |
| 21:27.39 | iRising|CraZy | with a grey bar at the bottom |
| 21:27.41 | streuner | !room |
| 21:27.41 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 21:27.42 | tidali | the defaults dont seem to include a /booty |
| 21:27.44 | tidali | woops heh |
| 21:27.47 | tidali | ./boot* |
| 21:27.49 | abrotman | bucky: she |
| 21:27.50 | abrotman | bucky: i know |
| 21:27.54 | sgran | tidali: what do you mean by 'custom'? |
| 21:27.54 | iRising|CraZy | if i type, it shows up in the box |
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| 21:27.58 | mrpickles444 | YOu know how in windows you can go to device manager and look at all your hardware? I'm running gnome. What is the name of a peice of software that I can do that with in linux. |
| 21:28.01 | iRising|CraZy | so what commands do i need to type? |
| 21:28.04 | mrpickles444 | I'm trying to figure out what the name of my eth0 is |
| 21:28.17 | bucky | cd /usr/local && bzip2 -c -d /home/lightbright/nvu-1.0-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2.tar |tar xvf - |
| 21:28.19 | bucky | cd bin && ln -s /usr/local/nvu-1.0/nvu |
| 21:28.19 | abrotman | mrpickles444: gnome-system-manager? .. most of us use lspci |
| 21:28.28 | streuner | mrpickles444: ifconfig |
| 21:28.44 | fbi | LightVision, the amazing hermaphroditic Debian user, who can change sexes at will. |
| 21:28.47 | iRising|CraZy | any commands i can type during debian install that will do stuff |
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| 21:28.53 | iRising|CraZy | because i see a grey command bar thing at the bottom |
| 21:29.10 | streuner | mrpickles444: lspci |
| 21:29.11 | bucky | fbi, apt-get install male-organs |
| 21:29.17 | fbi | bwahah! |
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| 21:29.38 | iRising|CraZy | hello |
| 21:29.39 | xam | bucky: wrong, it's update-alternatives! |
| 21:29.45 | bucky | haha |
| 21:29.48 | fbi | hahaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 21:29.59 | fbi | that needs to be qotd'd |
| 21:30.17 | streuner | mrpickles444: the name of your eth0? |
| 21:30.19 | abrotman | fbi: hehe |
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| 21:30.51 | streuner | mrpickles444: if you wanna know the chipset of your NIC use 'lspci' |
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| 21:31.00 | liam | Mr-R, so, just to recap NvAGP options 1,2,3 make no difference |
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| 21:31.30 | liam | Mr-R, agp status is disabled, regardless of what I do. |
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| 21:31.56 | iRising|CraZy | vu-1.0/nvu |
| 21:31.56 | iRising|CraZy | <abrotman> mrpickles444: gnome-system-manager? .. most of us use lspci |
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| 21:32.03 | iRising|CraZy | LAWLZ |
| 21:32.17 | liam | Mr-R, but the error from dmesg has gone since I blacklisted agpgart and sis-agp |
| 21:32.23 | fbi | lawlz? |
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| 21:32.45 | pryzbyj | hi all; is there a way to view attachments at bugs.d.o. without downloading them? |
| 21:32.52 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:32.55 | Mr-R | liam: it looks like your old kernel supportet nvagp. and the new is not. so you habe to try agpgart. but its quite possible that thats not working either... |
| 21:32.55 | Phroziac | Do i have to be here to poke your bots? |
| 21:33.03 | pryzbyj | i think my problem is that i need the webserver to send content-type: text/html |
| 21:33.04 | abrotman | Phroziac: yes |
| 21:33.11 | abrotman | Phroziac: or some other channel where they are |
| 21:33.15 | peterS | pryzbyj: your question doesn't make much sense. how does one view anything without downloading it? what is the distinction? |
| 21:33.27 | Phroziac | ok. that explains it. Atleast i remembered what to poke it with. :) |
| 21:33.27 | tidali | i need a /boot |
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| 21:33.32 | tidali | i want to add my partitions my self |
| 21:33.36 | liam | Mr-R, oh dear! :-( |
| 21:33.55 | abrotman | peterS: i suggest you give up .. the answer is bound to be more painful than you want to know :) |
| 21:33.59 | Mr-R | liam: the simple question would be: do you need the features of a 2.6er kernel? :) |
| 21:34.08 | sgran | tidali: I see - you are going through the install, and want to set up the partitioning manually? |
| 21:34.09 | bucky | liam, did you compile your own kernel? |
| 21:34.19 | peterS | abrotman: is this going to be like how to convert php into html? |
| 21:34.36 | abrotman | peterS: no .. more like how to make firefox display .diff :) |
| 21:34.36 | pryzbyj | peterS: i don't want mozilla to pop up a "save to" box, i want it to show it too me immediately, without any external program or work |
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| 21:34.45 | pryzbyj | correct |
| 21:34.46 | liam | bucky, no, stock debian 2.6.12 |
| 21:34.50 | abrotman | peterS: see .. |
| 21:34.52 | abrotman | !win me |
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| 21:34.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 21:34.57 | abrotman | i got that already! |
| 21:34.57 | sgran | There is a menu option to allow you to do that, but I believe it is hidden, or at least elided, if you take the defaults all the way through |
| 21:35.02 | mith | !mith abrotman |
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| 21:35.07 | mith | dpkg: damn you |
| 21:35.09 | abrotman | !meth abrotman |
| 21:35.13 | abrotman | damn |
| 21:35.15 | mith | no !mith |
| 21:35.16 | ZEA | is there anything wrong with the non-US part of the testing distribution? or was it merged with the rest? I get errors when doing an apt-get update (basically stating that the corresponding Packages.gz file doesn't exist) |
| 21:35.17 | peterS | pryzbyj: oh, that's a client-side question. unless you think the BTS doesn't label attachments with the appropriate MIME types |
| 21:35.20 | bucky | liam, how did you build the nvidia driver? |
| 21:35.41 | bbrazil | ZEA: merged (kinda) |
| 21:35.43 | xam | !topicsmite ZEA |
| 21:35.44 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ZEA. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:35.48 | bucky | liam, not nv but nvidia.ko |
| 21:35.51 | pryzbyj | peterS: I seem to recall some undocumented cgi option &mime=1 or =yes or =true but can't make it work now |
| 21:36.02 | bbrazil | sgran: really? that sounds really useful |
| 21:36.04 | liam | bucky, yeh, using module-assistant |
| 21:36.08 | bucky | ic |
| 21:36.25 | Mr-R | liam: 2.6.12? i am out of that. i use linux for 12 years. and i would not use debian testing... :-/ |
| 21:36.29 | peterS | pryzbyj: you'd think it wouldn't take a special option to send back the correct mime type - that should be what it *always* attempts to do |
| 21:36.32 | sgran | ZEA: non-us is, I believe, going away |
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| 21:36.50 | pryzbyj | who knows. |
| 21:37.07 | liam | Mr-R, Blimey, well this is unstable, I guess that could be the cause. :-s |
| 21:37.08 | sgran | bbrazil: yes, I have always done it manually - I am a little picky about my partitioning schemes |
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| 21:37.42 | bbrazil | sgran: oh, I thought you meant the firefox/save as fix. I know how to handle partitions |
| 21:37.46 | PupenoL | Hello. |
| 21:38.00 | liam | Mr-R, I guess if I spent the time to learn proper package management and pining, I could probably have the programs I wanted, on a stable system. |
| 21:38.17 | PupenoL | Has anyone managed to run the Debian 3.1 instcd inside Bochs (to install Debian to a virtual machine) ? |
| 21:38.26 | PupenoL | I mean, netinst. or any. |
| 21:38.52 | sgran | bbrazil: that's just a mime handler problem - set your mime handler for whatever type it is to be something firefox handles |
| 21:39.07 | sparr | i would like to try out new login, session, desktop, and window managers, without stopping the X session I am using. i know i can manually start up a second X server, but how can i make kdm or xdm do it? |
| 21:39.12 | ZEA | so basically all I have to do is remove the non-US lines? :x |
| 21:39.21 | sgran | ZEA: yes, I think so |
| 21:39.35 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:39.35 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
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| 21:40.21 | bbrazil | sgran: I'm looking for a client side solution |
| 21:40.40 | sgran | bbrazil: That' |
| 21:40.47 | pryzbyj | sgran, you keysigned with alex pennace? |
| 21:40.50 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:40.50 | dpkg | methinks qotd97 is [21:05:13] <MarkS> guys, just a quick poll/survey. What irc client are you using? [21:05:32] <pipeline> MarkS: Just /version #debian [21:05:54] <MarkS> oh cool... thanks pipeline. I didn't realize I could do that. |
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| 21:40.59 | sgran | bbrazil: That's what I'm talking about (pesky return key) |
| 21:41.03 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: THE pryzbyj who did astro packages? |
| 21:41.08 | pryzbyj | thats me |
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| 21:41.11 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: great to find you in here :) |
| 21:41.11 | astronut | what? |
| 21:41.16 | sgran | pryzbyj: perhaps - I don't remember |
| 21:41.25 | rape | hello |
| 21:41.36 | astronut | MarkS...that's shuttleworth? |
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| 21:41.53 | astronut | tarzeau: what did i package? |
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| 21:42.08 | tarzeau | astronut: you? how would i know? |
| 21:42.10 | pryzbyj | tarzeau: hi sengun |
| 21:42.13 | astronut | <tarzeau> pryzbyj: THE pryzbyj who did astro packages? |
| 21:42.28 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: gürkan, please |
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| 21:42.35 | pryzbyj | okay. :) |
| 21:42.37 | rape | someone could help me? |
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| 21:42.43 | astronut | rape: with that nick? |
| 21:42.46 | Skrotto | Does anyone know if there are any applications for linux that can convert from divx/xvid-type codecs to the mpeg4-codec used by Sony PSP? |
| 21:42.50 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: do you know the JCMT OT software? |
| 21:43.03 | amphi | Skrotto: mencoder? just a guess |
| 21:43.03 | pryzbyj | not familiar with it .. i don't think .. |
| 21:43.04 | astronut | Skrotto: mencode |
| 21:43.12 | astronut | or mencoder |
| 21:43.13 | astronut | whihchever |
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| 21:43.15 | astronut | part of mplayer |
| 21:43.21 | predius__ | hey, does anyone use orpheus? |
| 21:43.26 | Skrotto | astronut: I know mencode can encode/convert. But does it support the codec used by the PSP? |
| 21:43.30 | tarzeau | astronut: not astronut but astronomical |
| 21:43.37 | astronut | tarzeau: ah, sorry |
| 21:43.42 | pryzbyj | sgran: sorry, i think you were indirect .. i did a first keysigning this weekend and was looking at the key sign path |
| 21:43.44 | astronut | 'astro' is a highlighted term |
| 21:43.45 | pmjdebruijn | Skrotto, in theory xvid should be 100% mpeg4 compliant... btw... |
| 21:43.49 | astronut | Skrotto: mpeg4 is a pretty common codec |
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| 21:44.09 | sgran | pryzbyj: Ah, I see. I didn;t think the name sounded familiar, but you never know |
| 21:44.11 | Skrotto | astronut: yes, but I *think* the PSP uses something "special" |
| 21:44.12 | Thanatermesis | how to configure SMTP for use my ISP smtp server ? |
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| 21:44.22 | MatteoRape | I can't download packages from synaptic |
| 21:44.25 | pryzbyj | Thanatermesis: using exim? |
| 21:44.53 | MatteoRape | what servers I have to use for debian sarge? |
| 21:44.59 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: what about vipgi? |
| 21:45.08 | RazaMetaL | MatteoRape: use aptitude |
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| 21:45.35 | tarzeau | predius__: i use open cubic player |
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| 21:45.38 | liam | Thanatermesis, if you use exim, I think the option is smarthost. |
| 21:45.43 | pryzbyj | tarzeau: no .. what do they do? |
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| 21:45.51 | NyteRukh | hello |
| 21:46.06 | pryzbyj | hi NyteRukh |
| 21:46.10 | predius__ | tarzeau: which is? |
| 21:46.11 | RazaMetaL | any know how to enable de 4 speakers output from a VIA integrated sound card ? |
| 21:46.13 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: jcmt ot: http://www.jach.hawaii.edu/JCMT/ |
| 21:46.18 | predius__ | text or gui? |
| 21:46.21 | tarzeau | predius__: the best music player ever. both |
| 21:46.22 | astronut | RazaMetaL: alsa? |
| 21:46.29 | tarzeau | predius__: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
| 21:46.34 | Matteo81 | someone could help me? |
| 21:46.35 | RazaMetaL | astronut: yep / ALSA |
| 21:46.37 | astronut | there's an option in amixer probably |
| 21:46.40 | astronut | alsamixer* |
| 21:46.41 | pryzbyj | Matteo81: whats up |
| 21:46.48 | RazaMetaL | astronut: nope.. is not :S |
| 21:46.57 | Matteo81 | what are the new server for debian sarge? |
| 21:47.00 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: http://cosmos.mi.iasf.cnr.it/pandora/vipgi.html |
| 21:47.10 | astronut | ,mine's a relatec |
| 21:47.14 | astronut | Matteo81: same servers as always |
| 21:47.23 | astronut | Matteo81: if you're having trouble dpkg-reconfigure apt |
| 21:47.26 | sgran | RazaMetaL: in alsamixer, keep scrolling to the right, you should see rear speakers eventually |
| 21:47.34 | Matteo81 | ftp://ftp2.it.debian.org/debian/ this is out of order |
| 21:47.34 | tidali | sgran yes |
| 21:47.37 | RazaMetaL | is supposed to connect the speakers to the line-in of the sound card and line-out to get the 4 speakers working |
| 21:47.37 | tidali | i want to setup the partitioning manually |
| 21:47.40 | tidali | how do I go about doing so? |
| 21:47.44 | Matteo81 | could you indicate one that work |
| 21:47.44 | Matteo81 | ? |
| 21:47.59 | dondelelcaro | Matteo81: pick a different mirror us apt-setup; or similar. |
| 21:48.01 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 21:48.01 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 21:48.09 | sgran | tidali: 22:34 < sgran> There is a menu option to allow you to do that, but I believe it is hidden, or at least elided, if you take the defaults all the way through |
| 21:48.16 | Matteo81 | ok thanks |
| 21:48.26 | tarzeau | does someone use pv-wave on debian sarge? |
| 21:48.27 | tidali | so how do I find this? |
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| 21:49.00 | sgran | from the top level menu, there is something like guided partitioning, and manual partitioning - you want manual, it sounds like |
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| 21:49.19 | sgran | tidali: if you don't see something like that, perhaps you need to boot with the expert flag set |
| 21:49.20 | astronut | RazaMetaL: sorry, lost you...i have a realtec and i have options like "Mic as Center" "surround", etc that are boolean |
| 21:49.30 | astronut | RazaMetaL: dunno about you...#alsa may be a better help |
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| 21:49.38 | pryzbyj | tarzeau: not gonna pkg vipgi, since i don't have access to a spectrograph |
| 21:49.42 | sgran | tidali: <F3> at the boot prompt for the various boot options |
| 21:49.59 | RazaMetaL | astronut: my card is 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. |
| 21:49.59 | RazaMetaL | VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
| 21:50.13 | RazaMetaL | astronut: thanks.. for the #alsa tip :) |
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| 21:50.22 | astronut | RazaMetaL: think that was my old one on the soyo bobo |
| 21:50.33 | astronut | but i don't have that mobo anymore...#alsa will be better |
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| 21:50.51 | astronut | long live lilo! down with grub! |
| 21:50.51 | peterS | RazaMetaL: yeah so you load the snd-via82xx module and go with it |
| 21:51.02 | astronut | (both my boxes have been convereted to lilo finally) |
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| 21:51.24 | astronut | err |
| 21:51.26 | astronut | grub |
| 21:51.35 | RazaMetaL | peterS: is loaded ... but does not have any option to put the line-in as output for my speakers |
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| 21:51.55 | liam | Argh! |
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| 21:52.08 | astronut | liam: talk-like-a-pirate-day was last month |
| 21:53.12 | Estes2 | seems i got a routing issue... i use my box as router for an other machine... the issue is... it doesn't seem to be routing... i even disabled the firewall "to see"... added the masquerde line in my iptables script and set the ip_forward file to 1 in proc.... anyone has an idea what else could be wrong ? |
| 21:53.19 | liam | astronut, Really! You have a talk-like-a-pirate-day? |
| 21:53.28 | astronut | liam: it's international....some fad thing... |
| 21:53.47 | Estes2 | astronut, you mean some fag thing ? |
| 21:53.49 | Estes2 | :) |
| 21:53.55 | astronut | Estes2: *roll eyes* |
| 21:53.58 | sgran | Estes2: does tcpdump see the packets on both interfaces? |
| 21:53.59 | astronut | was on debian planet :-P |
| 21:54.03 | astronut | i don't partake |
| 21:54.15 | astronut | Estes2: want a nice script? |
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| 21:54.22 | astronut | it clears firewall rules and sets up NAT |
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| 21:55.53 | Estes2 | astronut, sure, show me :) |
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| 21:56.06 | Estes2 | (the light) |
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| 21:56.10 | p30n | question: is there a way to install a suse or redhat driver for a sata ctrl card? is that a good idea? |
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| 21:57.04 | liam | Sod it, I'm going to try the binary drivers. :-s |
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| 21:57.34 | thingfish | p30n: not a good idea. |
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| 21:57.48 | Estes2 | p30n, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/274 |
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| 22:01.30 | pryzbyj | tarzeau: sextractor will be uploaded by Florian Ernst shortly |
| 22:01.43 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: nice, we've also had users of that |
| 22:02.36 | soulfly | hi. Since 2.6.12 my USB-mouse have stopped working with the ehci_hcd-module. If i take "rmmod ehci_hcd" it starts working again. But then I have no USB2.0. Is there a way to force the mouse only to use the ohci_hcd module and have ehci_hcd module loaded? |
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| 22:03.12 | pryzbyj | tarzeau: what is the jcmt software? |
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| 22:04.04 | tuktu | How can I redirect output to a file in Irssi ? Idears ? |
| 22:04.24 | bbrazil | tuktu: /help log |
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| 22:04.40 | Phroziac | ...why would a fingerprint on a disc make dpkg segfault...? |
| 22:04.52 | tuktu | brosioz: Hmmm that'll work, Thank You. |
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| 22:05.13 | pryzbyj | no program should ever segfault, if it does, its a bug. |
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| 22:05.27 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: one user needed that, http://www.jach.hawaii.edu/JCMT/ software for two telescopes (needs java), i've packaged it for them already |
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| 22:05.48 | Phroziac | pryzbyj: i'm on stable, probably already been fixed. But a fingerprint? That's an insane thing to trigger it.. |
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| 22:06.03 | pryzbyj | tarzeau: okay; i don't have 2 telescopes, so i can't test, so i won't pretend to be able to pkg it |
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| 22:06.12 | pryzbyj | if it is a stack smash, then it is possibly a tags: security bug |
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| 22:06.30 | pryzbyj | Phroziac: can you run the dpkg under gdb? |
| 22:06.36 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: hehe, you know it's for two specific telescopes, one located in hawaii, 15m diameter ;) |
| 22:06.37 | pryzbyj | gdb --args <dpkg-command-line-here> |
| 22:06.49 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: i don't even have space enough in my garden for such a device ;) |
| 22:06.59 | pryzbyj | tarzeau: yeah like i say. i have never done any useful observing except on my 12" |
| 22:07.08 | Phroziac | pryzbyj: no |
| 22:07.20 | abcdefg | su -c 'hi ./*'; **** |
| 22:07.35 | pryzbyj | Phroziac: why not. |
| 22:07.45 | Phroziac | not only do i not know what i'm doing, but that'd be a hard bug to reproduce, and after i'm done with dpkg, i won't need to use it again for quite a while. |
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| 22:08.11 | Phroziac | It crashed consistently until i cleaned the disc. and none of these discs are spotless. ;) |
| 22:08.18 | pryzbyj | Phroziac: well it takes about 2 seconds to insert gdb --args to the beginning of an existing command. oh. i see. |
| 22:08.49 | Jamie_85 | does anyone know if there us a Debian Package for <pryzbyj> tarzeau: yeah like i say. i have never done any useful observing except on my 12" |
| 22:08.49 | Jamie_85 | <Phroziac> pryzbyj: no |
| 22:08.49 | Jamie_85 | <abcdefg> su -c 'hi ./*'; **** |
| 22:08.49 | Jamie_85 | * overnout has quit IRC ("leaving") |
| 22:08.49 | Jamie_85 | <pryzbyj> Phroziac: why not. |
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| 22:09.11 | sh4dowcat | sigh |
| 22:09.23 | Ronin | and a damn fine kick that was too debhelper |
| 22:09.25 | pryzbyj | tarzeau: you might be interested in libastro tarballs at j/p.com/astro/ |
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| 22:10.34 | sh4dowcat | I feel sorry for the people in unstable who upgarded to the latest libc6 |
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| 22:10.46 | pryzbyj | whats wrong with lc6? |
| 22:11.01 | sh4dowcat | apart from the fact that it breaks bash |
| 22:11.02 | sh4dowcat | nothing |
| 22:11.07 | pryzbyj | heh |
| 22:11.11 | Guerin | pryzbyj: it's not supported by sarge kernels |
| 22:11.16 | Guerin | oh |
| 22:11.20 | Guerin | Lc6 |
| 22:11.23 | Guerin | not IC6 |
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| 22:11.38 | Guerin | sh4dowcat: what version? |
| 22:12.00 | sh4dowcat | Guerin: latest apparently |
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| 22:12.08 | Guerin | !latest |
| 22:12.08 | dpkg | i guess latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 22:12.09 | sh4dowcat | shitload of bugs from apt-listbugs |
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| 22:12.21 | sh4dowcat | and I just said unstable |
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| 22:12.38 | neo1 | What's Debian |
| 22:12.45 | Guerin | !info libc6 sid |
| 22:12.47 | pryzbyj | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.56 | Guerin | neo1: debian.org; read |
| 22:13.00 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-7 (sid), Packaged size: 4831 kB, Installed size: 16372 kB |
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| 22:13.08 | NyteRukh | sorry eating dinner |
| 22:13.09 | pryzbyj | glibc Last version 2.3.5-7 |
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| 22:13.40 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: can you tell me the full url again, i can't find it |
| 22:13.53 | pryzbyj | http://justinpryzby.com/astro/ |
| 22:13.57 | pryzbyj | libastro-*.tar.gz |
| 22:13.59 | astronut | pryzbyj: grrr |
| 22:14.06 | pryzbyj | oh |
| 22:14.07 | pryzbyj | sorry |
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| 22:14.19 | pryzbyj | tarzeau: http://justinpryzby.com/astro/code/ |
| 22:14.22 | fevel | how do i install more than 1 debian package (.deb) at the same time? |
| 22:14.26 | Guerin | astronut: choose a less common nick highlight |
| 22:14.28 | BladeRunner05 | C'e' qualche italiano qui ? |
| 22:14.29 | pryzbyj | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 22:14.42 | Guerin | fevel: apt-get install package otherpackage anotherpackage |
| 22:14.42 | pryzbyj | rofl |
| 22:14.48 | astronut | Guerin: fairly uncomon |
| 22:14.52 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: how's iraf going ? |
| 22:14.52 | astronut | i feel sorry for lil |
| 22:14.53 | astronut | i feel sorry for lilo |
| 22:14.53 | nkuttler | !it |
| 22:14.54 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 22:14.57 | Guerin | astronut: so don't complain about it |
| 22:14.59 | rohal | how to manually compile the kernel?? |
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| 22:15.15 | Guerin | rohal: why would you? |
| 22:15.16 | fevel | ex:. cant i change to the directory and do what pryzbyj said?? |
| 22:15.17 | tarzeau | rohal: which? on which arch? |
| 22:15.18 | pryzbyj | tarzeau: haven't though about it in 8 months and don't plan on looking at it .. libastro does everything i use |
| 22:15.19 | neo1 | is this supposed to make a comp work better |
| 22:15.22 | fevel | its 50 packages |
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| 22:15.27 | Guerin | neo1: yes |
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| 22:15.35 | rohal | my xorg.conf is failing.... |
| 22:15.43 | neo1 | cool |
| 22:15.43 | Guerin | rohal: nothing to do with your kernel |
| 22:15.51 | Guerin | rohal: what's the matter/ |
| 22:15.51 | Guerin | ? |
| 22:16.04 | pryzbyj | astronut: or use an irc client which requires your entire name to be present and separated by word boundaries \< and \> |
| 22:16.19 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: ok, thanks. i'll certainly have a look at libastro. do you think it'll enter debian main sometime? |
| 22:16.30 | astronut | psychonate: i set astro because people usually call me that |
| 22:16.36 | rohal | Guerin:well i am tring to configure xorg.conf from last 4-5 hours...finally i gave up...some one said recompile your lkernel |
| 22:16.43 | peterS | astronut: then the false positives are your problem (: |
| 22:16.46 | Guerin | rohal: someone is talking ahit |
| 22:16.58 | Guerin | rohal: what video card? |
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| 22:17.21 | rohal | Guerin:problem is wiht mouse & keyboard |
| 22:17.28 | Guerin | rohal: even easier |
| 22:17.34 | astronut | peterS: :-P |
| 22:17.36 | Guerin | rohal: what errors? |
| 22:17.41 | pryzbyj | tarzeau: i have considered it, but i don't know if it would be useful for others. right now the "upstream" package has a functional "make deb" target (even though thats discouraged on -mentors, i am going for minimal overhead here). |
| 22:17.46 | neo1 | I upgraded my pc from a 98 to xp can this do to make it work better or would it just dongrade it |
| 22:17.50 | rohal | Guerin: here is the xorg.conf http://rafb.net/paste/results/pJASlF39.html |
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| 22:18.06 | solemnwarning_ | hi all |
| 22:18.12 | mydssmojo | I am new to vmware, so new that I would like to know where I can download full working copy of vmware? |
| 22:18.15 | Guerin | !tell neo1 about why debian |
| 22:18.20 | solemnwarning_ | can i configure gdm to automaticly login to a certain user at boot? |
| 22:18.25 | Guerin | !htfswk mydssmojo |
| 22:18.25 | dpkg | mydssmojo: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 22:18.28 | Guerin | !vmware |
| 22:18.28 | dpkg | i guess vmware is for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware, or vmware 5.0 supports 2.6 kernels happily, or offtopic for #debian, being as it is proprietary. You paid for it; get support from the vendor. You DID pay for it, right? |
| 22:18.36 | rohal | Guerin: here is the corresponding log http://rafb.net/paste/results/R7Lt9s34.html |
| 22:18.45 | peterS | in fact, from now on I think I'll try to take every opportunity to talk about astrophysics, the Houston Astros, astronomy, astrology, maybe even "breakfastrolls" |
| 22:19.01 | peterS | even if breakfastroll is not really one word |
| 22:19.04 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: ok, i can tell you more once i've looked into it and if the astronomers @werk can say "whoa that's great-we need it" |
| 22:19.05 | pryzbyj | astronut: which of those were highlighted? |
| 22:19.07 | Guerin | peterS: that's an astrnonomically good idea |
| 22:19.12 | Guerin | BAH |
| 22:19.18 | peterS | !lost Guerin |
| 22:19.19 | Guerin | foiled by bad typing again |
| 22:19.20 | peterS | BAH |
| 22:19.22 | pryzbyj | tarzeau: taht would be immensely interesting, if not useful :) |
| 22:19.31 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: heh :) |
| 22:19.32 | astronut | psychonate: <pryzbyj> tarzeau: http://justinpryzby.com/astro/code/ <pryzbyj> http://justinpryzby.com/astro/ |
| 22:19.37 | astronut | but not <pryzbyj> libastro-*.tar.gz |
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| 22:19.48 | astronut | /blah/ is considered a seperation apparently |
| 22:19.49 | rohal | Guerin: everytime it says no input device found for /dev/input/mice.....i also tried /dev/psaux.../dev/input/mouse0.....etc |
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| 22:20.29 | Guerin | rohal: how did you install this? |
| 22:20.32 | BenIsCool | ...if anyone has logged in recently, or is willing to answer my question :) |
| 22:20.35 | tarzeau | astronut: you know i've seen a girl eat some large a bunch of grapes in the train-and i thought "man, these are larger than my nuts" (musta been gene-manipulated stuff) |
| 22:20.35 | Guerin | rohal: using debootstrap? |
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| 22:20.49 | Guerin | tarzeau: or perhaps you just have small nuts |
| 22:20.56 | Guerin | :) |
| 22:20.59 | astronut | tarzeau: ....? |
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| 22:21.22 | rohal | Guerin: yea i installed debian using debootstrap on gentoo...network & diskless installation |
| 22:21.22 | BenIsCool | Does anyone know how I could enable hardware-accelerated OpenGL rendering on my Intel 82845 graphics card instead of using Mesa? |
| 22:21.50 | sh4dowcat | tarzeau: too much information |
| 22:22.12 | Guerin | rohal: i blame some fuckup with /dev - I don't know how to proceed from here. |
| 22:22.18 | pryzbyj | tarzeau: i'm going to leave before i spend all night catching up on irc .. |
| 22:22.19 | pryzbyj | i'll cul |
| 22:22.31 | rohal | Guerin:please help...i am really frustrated now.... |
| 22:22.33 | Guerin | rohal: have you booted into debian, or are you still running it within a gentoo chroot? |
| 22:22.35 | tarzeau | pryzbyj: goodbye |
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| 22:22.53 | tidali | hey how do I assign a static ip in debian? |
| 22:22.53 | Guerin | err ... within a chroot on gentoo |
| 22:22.57 | rohal | Guerin:these logs are after booting in debian |
| 22:23.02 | Guerin | !tell tidali about man interfaces |
| 22:23.03 | tarzeau | tidali: man 5 interfaces |
| 22:23.13 | Guerin | rohal: so it boots cleanly to its own shell? |
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| 22:23.27 | rohal | Guerin: yea....but X |
| 22:23.38 | Guerin | rohal: you probably have to make some X device or other |
| 22:24.01 | Guerin | does /dev/input/mice exist? |
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| 22:24.42 | rohal | Guerin: it exist in gentoo....path is there in debian...but when i do cat /dev/input/mice ...it says no input device |
| 22:24.55 | predius__ | tarzeau: gives me lots of compilation issues. |
| 22:25.05 | predius__ | and the package doesn't work with unstable. |
| 22:25.09 | tarzeau | predius__: which one? on sid? which gcc? |
| 22:25.15 | netcrash | Hello, i'm trying to boot debian on a sata pc based , started the kernel with linux26 but it does not detect the cdrom :S in expert mode I noticed it does not do the modprobe for modules related to ide... How can I make this work ? |
| 22:25.18 | tarzeau | predius__: it works here like a champion |
| 22:25.20 | predius__ | 3.4 and 4.0 |
| 22:25.31 | Guerin | rohal: what kernel? |
| 22:25.46 | tarzeau | predius__: with a leap, it's the nicest player i've seen |
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| 22:26.02 | rohal | Guerin:2.6.12-1-686 |
| 22:26.09 | Guerin | netcrash: in expert it'll load whichever modules you tell it to. |
| 22:26.22 | fevel | I got a keyboard with a bunch of multimedia keys...how do I make them work? |
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| 22:26.32 | tarzeau | fevel: in x or console? |
| 22:26.34 | netcrash | Guerin I try doing modprobe ide-"x" but it does not find the modules |
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| 22:26.36 | fevel | x |
| 22:26.37 | Guerin | rohal: got usbhid or psmouse module loaded? |
| 22:26.41 | sparr | Why is it such a hard task to find (and eventually configure) a login manager that will let me specify per-WM per-user startup programs? |
| 22:26.44 | tarzeau | fevel: try xev |
| 22:26.55 | rohal | Guerin: its a ps2 mouse |
| 22:27.01 | Guerin | netcrash: don't do it manually - there's a step for it in the installation |
| 22:27.04 | sh4dowcat | netcrash: why are you in expert mode to begin with? |
| 22:27.07 | GurrGal | can anyone tell me what command is used to reconfigure exim4? |
| 22:27.12 | Guerin | !jatfq rohal |
| 22:27.13 | fevel | tarzeau: should I install it with apt-get?? |
| 22:27.13 | dpkg | rohal: Just Answer The Fucking Question |
| 22:27.21 | predius_ | tarzeau: /tmp/ccdckcMh.s:2468: Error: Local symbol `MIXR_LOOPED' can't be equated to undefined symbol `$4' |
| 22:27.23 | tarzeau | fevel: no it comes with x clients i think |
| 22:27.32 | predius_ | and like 8 others. |
| 22:27.47 | rohal | Guerin: i told u its ps2?????? |
| 22:27.48 | tarzeau | predius_: yep i got those too, try #ocp if you can reach mw| |
| 22:27.53 | tarzeau | predius_: drop him an email... |
| 22:27.57 | netcrash | Guerin: ok. sh4dowcat couldn't boot in in the normal so tryed this one. |
| 22:28.06 | tarzeau | predius_: on the url i gave you there is another subdir, did you try that package too? |
| 22:28.15 | predius_ | tarzeau: nope. |
| 22:28.16 | predius_ | will do. |
| 22:28.56 | predius_ | tarzeau: old/? |
| 22:29.06 | Guerin | rohal: but you didn't answer the question. |
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| 22:29.15 | tarzeau | predius_: no no |
| 22:29.19 | fevel | tarzeau: xev tells me the key code right? now how do I Set up a shortcut for a program in gnome? |
| 22:29.19 | rohal | Guerin: ohh sorry...i have both usb & ps2 built as module |
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| 22:29.27 | Guerin | rohal: but are they LOADED? |
| 22:30.06 | tarzeau | predius_: ah wait, that's it. i removed the older ones |
| 22:30.08 | rohal | Guerin: that i do not know..... |
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| 22:30.16 | Guerin | rohal: check with lsmod |
| 22:30.39 | Guerin | having a module you need built but not loaded is like carrying your pants around with you |
| 22:30.44 | rohal | Guerin: for that i will have to boot in debian or can i do it by chroot |
| 22:30.54 | tarzeau | fevel: you generally set it up using something like xmodmap -e "keycode 17 = 8 parenleft braceleft" |
| 22:31.02 | Guerin | you can't do it in chroot, you need to boot into the debian kernel |
| 22:31.12 | Guerin | rohal: why aren't you doing this from debian? no network? |
| 22:31.28 | tarzeau | predius_: will you mail mw| about it? he seems to be busy |
| 22:31.38 | predius_ | sure |
| 22:31.40 | tarzeau | predius_: but once it works, i'll sure as hell maintain finishe the package |
| 22:31.42 | rohal | Guerin: not yet...also do not know how to use irssi from there... |
| 22:31.46 | tarzeau | predius_: i'd love a cc: gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 22:31.47 | netcrash | Is there anything I can do to load sata drivers and cdrom drivers at the boot ? |
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| 22:31.59 | tarzeau | netcrash: build your own kernel for it? or use 2.6? |
| 22:32.08 | netcrash | tarzeau: ok |
| 22:32.18 | Guerin | rohal: get the network set up, apt-get install irssi-text |
| 22:32.52 | rohal | Guerin:ok plz tell me how to load them.....ill boot in debian & check....have alreay tried configuring irssi but failed.... |
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| 22:34.26 | Guerin | rohal: modprobe usbhid psmouse; |
| 22:34.28 | Guerin | rohal: as root |
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| 22:34.59 | Guerin | rohal: for the network, refer to man 5 interfaces; it's not hard |
| 22:35.25 | rohal | Guerin: this is the second error......Couldn't compile keymap file (EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap No core pointer |
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| 22:36.03 | rohal | Guerin:its for the keyboard... |
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| 22:36.08 | etanoox | hello |
| 22:36.10 | Guerin | rohal: i see that. work on the first error; there's a chance it's causing the second error. |
| 22:36.25 | rohal | Guerin: ok thanks |
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| 22:38.00 | fas3r | hi all |
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| 22:38.36 | fas3r | anybody know if they are a equivalent for transparent color for rgb? |
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| 22:39.04 | peterS | fas3r: your question is unclear. what is the context? |
| 22:39.06 | Guerin | Ronin: wtf? |
| 22:39.11 | Guerin | fas3r: wtf? |
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| 22:39.19 | fas3r | it's for flubox style .. |
| 22:39.32 | amphi | fas3r: rgba surely ;) |
| 22:39.34 | Guerin | fas3r: rgb doesn't do transparency |
| 22:39.35 | dondelelcaro | fas3r: use pngs with an alpha channel. |
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| 22:39.40 | Guerin | you need alpha |
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| 22:40.22 | fas3r | an alpha channel? |
| 22:40.35 | tarzeau | pngs screw up gamma |
| 22:40.43 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: pngs have nothing to do with gamma |
| 22:40.50 | tarzeau | you're right |
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| 22:40.57 | tarzeau | i've formulated it wrong |
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| 22:41.39 | dondelelcaro | (well, nothing beyond the fact that they specify RGB values which the monitor displays at some gamma...) |
| 22:41.42 | lunaphyte | why would something like 'grep -ir sql /var/log/*' dump me into aptitude and bork my terminal? |
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| 22:42.02 | fas3r | sorry |
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| 22:42.34 | the_empty | this is driving me batty- I have NOARP dummy interfaces that are apparently arping |
| 22:43.20 | amphi | dondelelcaro: PNGs can contain desired gamma IIRC |
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| 22:44.34 | Jamie_85 | Is there a debian package for Ben-SSL? |
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| 22:45.33 | predius_ | where is nslookup? |
| 22:45.50 | tarzeau | predius_: use host instead? |
| 22:46.14 | tarzeau | Jamie_85: doesn't look like it. url for it? |
| 22:46.25 | predius_ | tarzeau: k |
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| 22:46.51 | dondelelcaro | amphi: yeah, looks like they can... too bad the decoders appear to do insane things with it. |
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| 22:48.43 | rohal | Guerin: i loaded both modules still it said.....can not open device /dev/input/mice....same for the rest.... |
| 22:48.53 | Tortel | !tell me about moo |
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| 22:53.49 | mastah | question concerning samba |
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| 22:55.47 | NyteRukh | sorry dont know much about samba...my windows box is not up yet |
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| 22:56.05 | rohal | if debootstrap doesnt work well for network installation...then why they provide it.... |
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| 22:57.16 | mastah | i guest this is obvious, but i can't seem to solve it. i have a file server machine (debian 3.1) with a simple smb.conf for file sharing without security: create mask and directory mask are 0777... i can create a directory, but i cannot create a subdirectory afterwards (unless i am root, yes my workstation is debian 3.1 too) |
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| 22:57.46 | bbrazil | mastah: mask != mode |
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| 22:57.55 | peterS | bbrazil: in smb.conf that is not true |
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| 22:58.08 | peterS | mastah: see 'force create mask' |
| 22:58.24 | mastah | please clarify, i think mask = mode in smb.conf |
| 22:58.27 | peterS | mastah: well, 'force create mode' and 'force directory mode', I mean. via 'man smb.conf' |
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| 22:59.16 | mastah | i'm looking into that right now, thanks, brb |
| 22:59.25 | Zarel | Okay, so, how do I change my screen resolution again? |
| 22:59.39 | Zarel | 800x600 gets annoying when you're used to 1280x1024. |
| 22:59.42 | bbrazil | mastah: it is, I was getting mixed up |
| 22:59.50 | sepen | when I use 'tar cfvz file-example.tar.gz dir-example/' it don't tar symlinks how can i put ALL files (included symlinks, file devices) on one tar¿?¿? |
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| 23:00.08 | peterS | sepen: it certainly should tar symlinks |
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| 23:00.33 | mastah | for some reason, windows machines do not have problems in creating directories/files on that server... |
| 23:00.39 | sepen | could be when I tried to untar? |
| 23:00.48 | peterS | sepen: yeah probably. might need 'p' flag in 'tar x' |
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| 23:01.19 | sepen | peterS: thanks, I going to do |
| 23:01.45 | fbi | Zarel: /msg dpkg drx |
| 23:02.00 | fbi | err, never mind |
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| 23:02.39 | fbi | my connection is poop today for some odd reason |
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| 23:03.21 | Dasnipa` | mine is poop because my uni is gay |
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| 23:03.50 | mastah | i will try force create mode and force directory mode, looks like it is it... but i still keep create mode and directory in smb.conf, do i? |
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| 23:04.53 | fbi | mine is poop because i'm in a house with 4 people sharing one cable connection and _everyone_ is using it |
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| 23:05.39 | mastah | sorry, i got my answer |
| 23:05.52 | mastah | thanks peterS and bbrazil |
| 23:05.58 | fdfdfd | Is there any way to burn NRG (nero) images in linux ? |
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| 23:06.15 | bbrazil | mastah: its best to keep both |
| 23:06.26 | peterS | mastah: yeah, 'create mode' vs. 'force create mode' is kind of confusing, read about it carefully. doesn't hurt to have both. |
| 23:06.47 | mastah | oki doki, This operation is done after |
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| 23:06.56 | mastah | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.16 | sepen | peterS: thanks, it preserve symlinks but file devs such as /dev/console not do the same |
| 23:07.39 | peterS | sepen: note that you must be root in order to create device nodes |
| 23:07.53 | peterS | sepen: that is not tar's fault, it is kernel security policy |
| 23:07.57 | fbi | fdfdfd: according to Google you can, if it's multi-track you will only get the first track *shrug* |
| 23:08.47 | mastah | how do i reload the config file of samba without restarting samba? |
| 23:09.10 | sepen | peterS: I untar in another directory that isn't / and do the same |
| 23:09.28 | peterS | sepen: I'm telling you, non-root users are not allowed to create device nodes *anywhere* |
| 23:09.37 | sepen | tar xvpfz mydistro.tar.gz $HOME/tmp |
| 23:10.00 | sepen | peterS: the devices are created on mydistro.tar.gz |
| 23:10.01 | peterS | sepen: also, that's not how to use tar. if you want the destination to be $HOME/tmp, then either 'cd' to there, or use -C $HOME/tmp |
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| 23:10.21 | sepen | peterS: yes |
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| 23:14.02 | mastah | if i want to "resource" samba with the modified smb.conf without restarting samba ? |
| 23:14.24 | peterS | mastah: it rereads it automatically |
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| 23:15.12 | peterS | mastah: you may need to kill the process corresponding to the active windows connection you are testing with (use 'smbstatus' to see this). windows will automatically reconnect. |
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| 23:15.39 | phaedral | what's the downside to installing wget from testing on an otherwise pure sarge install? |
| 23:15.55 | phaedral | i need the session cookies functionality not found in the stable version |
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| 23:16.09 | mastah | thanks, you guy are right to the point, and very clear in your explanations |
| 23:16.17 | peterS | phaedral: well, it'll probably drag in a newer libc6 package. that is probably harmless but has the *potential* to destabilize your entire system |
| 23:16.22 | gloin | has anyone here build Fedora Directory Server on deb? (or better yet for this lazy bum, is there a deb available for it?) |
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| 23:16.35 | phaedral | peterS: thanks |
| 23:16.52 | phaedral | maybe i'll do it on my less pure machine |
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| 23:16.57 | phaedral | 'preciate the heads up |
| 23:17.09 | gloin | my deb machine is a Via C3, and compiling on it is rather torturous |
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| 23:17.43 | kylekestell | hey guys, i'm trying to use grep-available to feed apt-get a list of packages i'd like to install, i'm trying to use "apt-get install `grep-available -ns Package -F Source -X ruby-defaults`" and it's thinking that the whole grep-available line is a package name (which is obviously can't find) |
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| 23:19.51 | ghatak | Hi, can anyone suggest me a bandwidth controlling tool, if i use bittorrent, it eats up all bandwidth and my ftp just wont work. any suggestions ? |
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| 23:20.12 | gloin | ghatak: wondershaper? |
| 23:20.46 | kittenbot | kylekestell: You sure? |
| 23:21.21 | kylekestell | kittenbot: yes, i'm sure. it says: E: Couldn't find package grep-available -ns Package -F Source -X ruby-defaults |
| 23:21.26 | ghatak | gloin: that does fair shaping afaik, not bandwidth limitation. |
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| 23:22.13 | kittenbot | kylekestell: It works here -- are you sure that you're using backticks when you type it at the commant-line (and not, say, single quotes) ? |
| 23:22.20 | kittenbot | *command |
| 23:22.23 | kylekestell | ahh, shit |
| 23:22.26 | kylekestell | i was using single quotes |
| 23:22.47 | kylekestell | thanks, it works now |
| 23:22.51 | kittenbot | :) |
| 23:23.13 | whitehorse1 | Can anyone recommend a gui-based partition resizer tool a la partition magic? Parted is command-line driven & I was looking for a graphical prog; KDE env if that makes any difference (Gparted'd require installing gnome libs so is out) |
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| 23:23.27 | Guerin | whitehorse1: qtparted |
| 23:23.31 | peterS | kylekestell: I would have munged the 'Binary' line from 'apt-cache showsrc ruby-defaults', but that's a style issue, and your way is probably shorter |
| 23:23.36 | whitehorse1 | Guerin: merci! |
| 23:23.49 | Guerin | whitehorse1: that's what I say whenever I have to use KDE apps |
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| 23:24.03 | kylekestell | peterS: ahh |
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| 23:25.31 | zarel | Okay, so, Preferences->Screen Resolution doesn't let me go above 800x600. |
| 23:25.32 | peterS | kylekestell: note also the existence of grep-aptavail, distinct from grep-available, in case your /var/lib/dpkg/available and /var/lib/apt/lists/* are not in sync |
| 23:25.44 | zarel | Any help? |
| 23:25.48 | Guerin | !drxx zarel |
| 23:25.49 | dpkg | zarel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:25.54 | peterS | zarel: then 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' to pick some higher resolutions, or tell it you have a better monitor, or whatever |
| 23:26.33 | peterS | Zarel: if you wonder why the existing config won't give you higher resolutions even though you selected them at configure time, you can read /var/log/XFree86.0.log and it'll tell you about the resolutions it couldn't do |
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| 23:26.43 | scx | * scx has fear !!! |
| 23:26.48 | nixuser | hi abrot |
| 23:26.55 | kylekestell | peterS: yeah, that tripped me up too, i'm on a fresh install and i hadn't updated my dpkg sources yet (i never use dpkg, the interface freaks me out, i usually just use apt) |
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| 23:27.30 | djtravtrav | anyone know where I can get a program like webshots for my deb? |
| 23:28.00 | abrotman | kylekestell: you know that apt-get uses dpkg right ? |
| 23:28.00 | Guerin | djtravtrav: what does it do? |
| 23:28.00 | djtravtrav | i want my desktop backround to change |
| 23:28.00 | abrotman | and .. dpkg doesn't have an interface perse |
| 23:28.00 | scx | :cry: Help: I put a password over a pdf and forgot it ! |
| 23:28.24 | scx | as I know pdf's are not encripted, someone you knows hoe to bring it back ? |
| 23:28.25 | peterS | abrotman: sure it does, dselect ships with dpkg |
| 23:28.37 | Guerin | djtravtrav: trivial to write a shell script to pick a random image every n seconds |
| 23:28.56 | abrotman | peterS: dselect has an interface .. dpkg doesn't (the commands .. ) |
| 23:28.59 | fas3r | do you know a simple software for read .pdf ... i know they are acrobat reader but it's so stronger when it run for my system |
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| 23:29.10 | Guerin | fas3r: xpdf |
| 23:29.15 | fas3r | thank |
| 23:29.21 | djtravtrav | Guerin, I'm new to linux and programming itself, I'm self teaching myself, not ready to dive into programing |
| 23:29.31 | scx | fas3r: kpdf |
| 23:29.33 | kylekestell | peterS: thanks for the info |
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| 23:30.18 | djtravtrav | Guerin: was hoping I could find something already premade I could use, Since I am a newb |
| 23:30.36 | lightbright | Guerin: hello , feeling better today? |
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| 23:31.56 | Guerin | lightbright: better than what? |
| 23:32.07 | calavera | I'm having the hardest time with exim 4.54. I'm running Debian unstable on 2 seperate machines and I can't get them to send mail to each other. |
| 23:32.11 | Guerin | djtravtrav: there probably are several, I just don't know them |
| 23:32.15 | calavera | One is a smarthost for the other. |
| 23:32.18 | Guerin | scx: don't beg, ask. |
| 23:32.20 | calavera | I keep getting TLS errors. |
| 23:32.31 | Guerin | calavera: #exim |
| 23:32.35 | djtravtrav | Anyone know where I could find a desktop backround changer? |
| 23:32.36 | calavera | Thanks. |
| 23:32.41 | scx | Guerin: I forgot the password of a pdf file... |
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| 23:32.51 | Guerin | scx: ask the author for it |
| 23:32.54 | scx | how may I open it ? |
| 23:33.04 | scx | I am the author ! |
| 23:33.07 | Guerin | scx: this is not a password cracking channel |
| 23:33.10 | djtravtrav | Guerin, thanks anyone man |
| 23:33.20 | Guerin | scx: then you must have the original source the pdf was made from |
| 23:33.28 | lightbright | Guerin: better than yesterday, for I know you were feeling depressed |
| 23:33.33 | scx | should I look for #crack-passwd ??? |
| 23:33.37 | lightbright | Guerin: feeling better today? |
| 23:33.41 | Guerin | lightbright: you don't know that. |
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| 23:34.15 | lightbright | Guerin: its easy to tell |
| 23:34.24 | scx | Guerin: I don't :( I have do send it via mail today... :_ |
| 23:34.32 | Guerin | lightbright: it's easy to *THINK* you know what's going on. |
| 23:34.54 | Guerin | scx: how did you password protect it? |
| 23:35.19 | scx | Guerin: from unauthorised use :D |
| 23:35.41 | Guerin | scx: i don't care why ... HOW? Using what means? |
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| 23:36.14 | maria | hi everyone |
| 23:36.28 | Guerin | djtravtrav: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Openbox#Background |
| 23:36.37 | scx | Guerin: ohhh: acroread |
| 23:36.42 | Guerin | djtravtrav: that's an example of the simple shell script I was talking about |
| 23:37.18 | Guerin | scx: how does it protect? Will another reader open it, or is the thing 'encrypted'? |
| 23:37.26 | maria | I am a new user of a sistem based on Debian and I have a doubt |
| 23:37.41 | Guerin | maria: which system? |
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| 23:37.49 | maria | Musix |
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| 23:37.57 | maria | do you know it? |
| 23:38.15 | Guerin | maria: nope. |
| 23:38.23 | scx | Guerin: it is not encrypted... just forgot the pawwd,... so it may be relaively easy to go arroun it ,... and no pdf reader opens it |
| 23:38.32 | maria | well, it is recent |
| 23:38.46 | Guerin | scx: tried pdftotext? |
| 23:38.47 | maria | but I think it don't mind for my doubt |
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| 23:39.46 | maria | the problem is that is a project en phase early -sorry for my english, there's much time ago I don't practice- |
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| 23:40.33 | maria | so in sources.list there are a few lines of packages exclusives for my system |
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| 23:40.43 | DerRobin | hey... anybody knows about getting a plantronics gamecom-pro1 USB headset running under debian? :-/ i don't know anything i could do now with it... |
| 23:40.48 | maria | but it is valid too packages debian |
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| 23:40.59 | Guerin | DerRobin: does the linux kernel support it? |
| 23:41.01 | maria | and I have not experience with apt |
| 23:41.15 | DerRobin | guerin: humm, how to check this? |
| 23:41.24 | maria | what lines can I added to sources.list in order to have more packages? |
| 23:41.27 | Guerin | !hcl |
| 23:41.27 | dpkg | hmm... hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel |
| 23:41.44 | DerRobin | ok thanks, i will check it |
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| 23:42.07 | Supaplex | ewww sn00p p00p |
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| 23:42.40 | maria | I don't know if someone has readed me |
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| 23:43.23 | Guerin | maria: we read you, it's just unclear what you want |
| 23:43.29 | lunaphyte | what's an effective way to look up deb packages for perl modules with names like module::module::module? |
| 23:43.37 | Guerin | maria: also, since you're not using debian, there's not really that much we can help you with |
| 23:43.50 | scx | Guerin: :_ exit error 1 and makes an empty file :_ |
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| 23:44.05 | Guerin | lunaphyte: search for libfoo-perl |
| 23:44.19 | maria | well, It is not Debian but the packages, so the sources.list is the same |
| 23:44.20 | Guerin | lunaphyte: where foo is the module name |
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| 23:44.29 | maria | so we can say I use Debian |
| 23:44.30 | chibuzonwankwo | hey i need installing programs on linux cus im new at this |
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| 23:44.37 | Guerin | maria: what exactly do you want help with? |
| 23:44.47 | Guerin | maria: and no, it's not correct to say you use debian. |
| 23:44.52 | chibuzonwankwo | like installing mplayer |
| 23:44.53 | salam | haloo |
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| 23:45.03 | Guerin | chibuzonwankwo: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 23:45.05 | scx | chibuzonwankwo: which program ? |
| 23:45.07 | maria | what lines are necesary in sources.list to get packages |
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| 23:45.18 | Guerin | maria: depends which packages |
| 23:45.21 | elirips | maria: what packages? |
| 23:45.24 | treyh0 | anyone ever played with componetized linux ? |
| 23:45.24 | scx | chibuzonwankwo: open a console, type: su |
| 23:45.25 | lunaphyte | Guerin: form example, libIP::Country::Fast-perl ? |
| 23:45.31 | lunaphyte | *for |
| 23:45.33 | maria | the commons |
| 23:45.34 | Guerin | treyh0: i think ian murdock has |
| 23:45.38 | treyh0 | heh |
| 23:45.40 | salam | i like to speek with so bueteful girl |
| 23:45.41 | maria | for example it is not transcode |
| 23:45.43 | treyh0 | i figured that much (; |
| 23:45.43 | scx | chibuzonwankwo: then the root passwd: |
| 23:45.54 | Guerin | lunaphyte: apt-cache search libip perl |
| 23:45.57 | maria | and it is not acroread |
| 23:46.01 | scx | chibuzonwankwo: then: apt-get install mplayer |
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| 23:46.13 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:46.14 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:46.15 | Guerin | salam: so go down to your local nude beach |
| 23:46.26 | djtravtrav | anyone know what the enlightenment window manager is? |
| 23:46.35 | Guerin | maria: debian packages probably won't work with your system. |
| 23:46.39 | lunaphyte | Guerin: thanks |
| 23:46.52 | treyh0 | djtravtrav: very old window manager that has been in a development cycle with no new version for 10 years |
| 23:46.56 | Guerin | maria: to find out whether they do or not, and if so, what branch you should use, ask the people who made your system. |
| 23:46.58 | maria | I have probed more than one and it goes very well |
| 23:46.59 | treyh0 | or something... |
| 23:47.01 | abrotman | djtravtrav: oh .. doubtful .. i mean . that's complicated |
| 23:47.06 | abrotman | treyh0: that's bullshit |
| 23:47.10 | treyh0 | abrotman: my bad |
| 23:47.16 | salam | gure what do mean? |
| 23:47.21 | abrotman | !info enlightenment sarge |
| 23:47.28 | djtravtrav | would you guys know where I could get a desktop backround changer? like webshots? |
| 23:47.30 | dpkg | enlightenment: (The Enlightenment Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.16.7.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 407 kB, Installed size: 940 kB |
| 23:47.44 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 23:47.44 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 23:47.51 | abrotman | djtravtrav: E17 ^^^ |
| 23:47.56 | treyh0 | dr stands for developer release |
| 23:48.02 | djtravtrav | abrotman, ? |
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| 23:48.05 | maria | Ok |
| 23:48.11 | maria | Thank you very much |
| 23:48.13 | treyh0 | djtravtrav: thats where to get the latest enlightenment |
| 23:48.16 | abrotman | treyh0: no shit .. you think ? |
| 23:48.20 | maria | Sorry for my english again |
| 23:48.23 | chibuzonwankwo | ok mucho problemo, i dont know my root password |
| 23:48.23 | treyh0 | abrotman: on occasion |
| 23:48.34 | Guerin | !tell chibuzonwankwo about ifrp |
| 23:48.38 | abrotman | !tell chibuzonwankwo about ifrp |
| 23:48.44 | Guerin | pwnd |
| 23:48.47 | lightbright | Guerin: whatever you say, yet I wish you all the best with the depression. |
| 23:48.51 | chibuzonwankwo | keep getting authentication failure |
| 23:48.55 | djtravtrav | would you guys know where I could get a desktop backround changer? like webshots? |
| 23:49.04 | lightbright | djtravtrav: sorry no idea |
| 23:49.10 | Guerin | lightbright: i wish you all the best with your campaign to get permanently banned from #debian |
| 23:49.11 | abrotman | !seen lightvision |
| 23:49.12 | dpkg | lightvision <n=light@003.a.002lg.syd.iprimus.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 21h 46m 41s ago, saying: 'bucky: great :)'. |
| 23:49.13 | chibuzonwankwo | gnome.com |
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| 23:49.29 | bucky | !seen lightbright |
| 23:49.30 | dpkg | lightbright is currently on #debian (2h 44m 3s). Has said a total of 237 messages. Is idling for 25s |
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| 23:49.48 | lightbright | bucky: hello, i downloaded nvu |
| 23:50.01 | chibuzonwankwo | does any one use shareware like limewire |
| 23:50.05 | bucky | lightbright, abrotman is looking for you |
| 23:50.06 | DerRobin | Guerin, i've searched the pages but didn't find anything... humm |
| 23:50.12 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:50.18 | Guerin | !anyone use shareware like limewire |
| 23:50.19 | dpkg | No, no one uses shareware like limewire, not even the people who use it. |
| 23:50.19 | abrotman | bucky: i'm on ignore .. *sniff* |
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| 23:50.26 | lightbright | Guerin: your ill wishes for others to be banned, will come back unto you! you reap what you sow. |
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| 23:50.30 | Guerin | DerRobin: i guess not, then. Google might be your friend. |
| 23:50.32 | mike-bz | hi, can someone help me, how do I set the time in debian? :( |
| 23:50.39 | bucky | lightbright, are you ignoring abrotman |
| 23:50.40 | Guerin | lightbright: we'll see about that, I suppose. |
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| 23:50.43 | abrotman | Guerin: sounds like karma .. not very christian :) |
| 23:50.43 | lightbright | bucky: yes |
| 23:50.46 | bucky | why? |
| 23:50.49 | abrotman | bucky: sniff sniff |
| 23:50.57 | bucky | lightbright, he's sad now |
| 23:50.58 | MrP | Hello. Probably a common question, if so, I apologize in advance. I'm trying to find a module for the prism2 chipset wireless cards. Card info shows the information about my card, however, the system log shows that it is looking for the prism2_cs module and cannot find it. Anyone know where I can find it, or what package it might already be in? |
| 23:50.59 | abrotman | bucky: because i'm always wrong |
| 23:51.04 | Guerin | bucky: because it ignores everyone who says things it doesn't like |
| 23:51.05 | lightbright | bucky: out of 7 years on IRC, he is the only one I have on ignore |
| 23:51.13 | abrotman | that's bullshit |
| 23:51.24 | Guerin | lightbright: you ignored me for ages, and caphuso |
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| 23:51.37 | lightbright | bucky: let the sad be sad till then learn descent human courteousy :) |
| 23:51.40 | Guerin | not that I give a fuck, I'd just prefer that you not talk complete shit |
| 23:51.55 | Guerin | haha |
| 23:52.05 | lightbright | Guerin: no need to lie in your futile attempts to get someone banned. |
| 23:52.06 | bucky | abrotman, keep your paws to yourself you brute! |
| 23:52.08 | Guerin | !dict courteousy |
| 23:52.10 | dpkg | could not find definition for courteousy |
| 23:52.14 | abrotman | bucky: oh .. boo fucking hoo |
| 23:52.23 | Guerin | lightbright: oh, i'm not attempting anything... |
| 23:52.31 | abrotman | bucky: lightbright is a habitual liar .. and troll :) |
| 23:52.49 | peterS | Guerin: we've seen the end of mwilson today, why not just sit back and be happy for awhile? (: |
| 23:52.56 | Guerin | peterS: haha |
| 23:52.58 | abrotman | peterS: say what? |
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| 23:53.05 | lightbright | Guerin: we all know you have lied and given false information to an op to try to get somene banned. yet i tell you, you will reap that you sow one day |
| 23:53.10 | peterS | abrotman: helix finally had enough of him |
| 23:53.17 | abrotman | peterS: paste somewhere!!! |
| 23:53.19 | halifax | mike-bz: ---> http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/tzconfig.html |
| 23:53.26 | mike-bz | ty |
| 23:53.28 | Guerin | lightbright: do we all know that? I don't. Could you tell me specifically what, and when? |
| 23:53.33 | peterS | abrotman: later. I need to get going, I'm almost late for something |
| 23:53.36 | abrotman | Guerin: bet .. no! |
| 23:53.47 | abrotman | peterS: i might get resiak to get |
| 23:54.06 | MrP | bah, I'm stuck. where can I find a driver for a prism2 card darn it! :) |
| 23:54.12 | dondelelcaro | lightbright: that whole line of argument is OT here; please take it elsewhere or use /ignore if Guerin bothers you. |
| 23:54.24 | resiak | What waht, the end of mwilson?! |
| 23:54.26 | lightbright | dondelelcaro: ok i underatand, sorry |
| 23:54.26 | MrP | s/driver/module |
| 23:54.29 | Tortel | !moo |
| 23:54.29 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:54.29 | abrotman | resiak: /lastlog !!!!! |
| 23:54.31 | treyh0 | !anyone use illicit drugs |
| 23:54.31 | dpkg | No, no one uses illicit drugs, not even the people who use it. |
| 23:54.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:54.36 | treyh0 | har har |
| 23:54.38 | abrotman | sorry |
| 23:54.45 | resiak | helix+++++++++++++ |
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| 23:55.39 | helix | heh |
| 23:55.50 | resiak | helix: Seriously... I've been waiting months for this |
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| 23:56.07 | lightbright | bucky: gnu is similar to mozilla composer |
| 23:56.08 | Guerin | toresbe will do backflips |
| 23:56.11 | helix | sorry it took so long |
| 23:56.15 | peterS | resiak: if you want it to count, use a ! prefix, like so: |
| 23:56.17 | peterS | !helix++ |
| 23:56.28 | bucky | lightbright, do you like it? |
| 23:56.33 | resiak | peterS: But then +++++++++ would not mean anything. I know that it counts iff I use ! |
| 23:56.37 | helix | you can also purchase karma soap and perfume for me from lush.com |
| 23:56.41 | lightbright | bucky: its great :) thank you very much for recommending it to me |
| 23:56.49 | bucky | your welcome |
| 23:56.52 | lightbright | bucky: :) |
| 23:56.54 | Guerin | !your |
| 23:56.54 | dpkg | somebody said your was the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 23:57.01 | peterS | resiak: with the +++++++++ it looks like it should be followed by "NO CARRIER" |
| 23:57.14 | dondelelcaro | +++ATH0? |
| 23:57.15 | helix | oh god wikipedia, stop eating my life |
| 23:57.19 | resiak | peterS: Hey, my connection is perFOUJKagcouedCudou++++++++ NO CARRIER |
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| 23:57.26 | peterS | resiak: yeah, exactly |
| 23:57.32 | resiak | :) |
| 23:57.36 | Guerin | helix: wikipedia > e2 |
| 23:57.37 | helix | I think rolling kitty was really into the ++++++s |
| 23:57.53 | helix | what is e2? |
| 23:57.54 | resiak | Guerin: Lies |
| 23:57.57 | helix | oh everything2? |
| 23:58.05 | resiak | everything2.com > wikipedia |
| 23:58.06 | helix | I think I've looked at that site once, ever |
| 23:58.08 | Guerin | resiak: trues! |
| 23:58.18 | Guerin | e2 is too narcissistic for me |
| 23:58.28 | helix | and it uses an ugly background color |
| 23:58.29 | abrotman | karma comes on soap ? |
| 23:58.34 | helix | abrotman: yeah |
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| 23:58.37 | resiak | helix: Change your e2 theme! |
| 23:58.42 | abrotman | don't tell the convicts |
| 23:58.45 | helix | does that mean registering? |
| 23:58.53 | abrotman | tell keep dropping the soap .. then get good karma .. |
| 23:58.56 | abrotman | err they'll |
| 23:59.00 | abrotman | damn my fingers |
| 23:59.15 | helix | abrotman: http://usa.lush.com/cgi-bin/lushdb/701?expand=:upd=y |
| 23:59.18 | peterS | poor abrotman |
| 23:59.33 | abrotman | i'm getting a ton of this stuff .. my karma is in the tank |
| 23:59.37 | resiak | helix: Yes, yes it does, but you should do! |
| 23:59.46 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:59.47 | helix | are you from the UK? |
| 23:59.55 | djtravtrav | fvwm-gnome what do you guys think of this? |
| 23:59.55 | abrotman | me? |
| 23:59.58 | abrotman | helix: me? |
| 23:59.59 | lightbright | i dont personally use wikipedia, for anyone can edit or write something there, so its impossible to verify the data is true and accrurate |
